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Rage did it!!!!!

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Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:04am

It seems that the information of all three "insider" is all wrong.

Richie, how do you feel?

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:06am

Performers

Rage Against the Machine
Willie Nelson
Missy Elliott
Kate Bush
George Michael
Sheryl Crow
The Spinners

Musical Excellence

Chaka Khan

CONGRATS!!!!!

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:07am

Ok, Joy Division/New Order didn't make it. Disappointed, of course. Following trends, however, they were a logical choice.

Can't win em all..

However, Sheryl Crow over Cyndi Lauper is laughable

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:08am

So I was right. Only one of George Michael or Cyndi Lauper would be snubbed when FRL tweeted "getting ready to mad" tweet. And I'm also right that the Hall wouldn't think of inducted a class that are all first time nominated.

Next time ATCQ.

But congrats to Missy, The Spinners, DJ Kool Herc, and Don Cornelius.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:08am

Wow they actually build a kind of annoying class. Also taupin as musical excellence feels weird

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:09am

K-Dawg, your prediction is not work in this year. However, the result is very very surprising.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:10am

John RC,

You are 1000 percent right on Don Cornelius, LONG overdue. The genius behind Soul Train is only rivaled by Dick Clark and Wolfman Jack as emcees. Now the Hall needs to start putting in more of those he introduced to the world...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:11am

Man, I was waaaaaaay off with my predictions. I'm very happy with the class.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:13am

And yeah, DJ Kool Herc makes sense in the Early Influence because he never actually release any of his music to the wider public.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:13am

I don't agree with him on very much ever, but I'm hoping Jordan Einstein sounds off soon. I do want to hear his appraisal of this class...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:14am

RATM is very surprising for all of us.

I am shocked Lauper and Zevon are not in given the rumors.

This is a good class and it is not safe. Also, 7 performers are inducted, which is a good trend. I hope the hall will induct at least 7 performers in the future.

I think Maiden, JD/NO, Soundgarden, White Stripes will all return to the ballot next year. Not sure about the case of Tribe.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:14am

When I saw LL Cool J making the announcement, I actually thought that Tribe got in as well.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:15am

Wow. Spinners and Rage were a little surprising to me. Thrilled the Spinners got in, but would've rather seen Maiden or Soundgarden than Rage. Super happy Kate didn't have to be side-doored. Still a pretty good class overall, but like everyone said you couldn't really have a bad class from this group. I wouldn't be surprised at all if every nominee who didn't make it was back on the ballot next year.

Side categories are solid as well. Bernie, Chaka, Don and Link were all overdue and very deserving. And everyone could see the DJ Cool Herc induction coming, so I'm glad they didn't mess that one up.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:17am

This class is hard to be predicted. I am so excited!

K-Dawg, if you treat Kate Bush as new wave/alternative artist in the spot of JD/NO, it makes sense. Kate Bush's induction also opens the door for more British artists. I have more faith in the future induction of JD/NO, the Smiths and Oasis.

Also, Crow has more industry connection than Lauper. This is the reason she is inducted over Lauper.

Talking about the case of Zevon. it is possible that some of the voters treat him as one-hit wonder.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:20am

No new wave this year unless you count Kate Bush who is art pop/prog

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:23am

I was way off as well. I am hugely surprised that Warren Zevon and (especially) Cyndi Lauper didn't make the cut.

Part of me wants to think Rage Against the Machine got in because of Tom Morello's presence on the nominating committee--except that he would have no say in the voting. So I'm wrong here too.

I am glad that the Spinners finally got their due. And I am confident that Lauper, Zevon, Joy Division-New Order and Iron Maiden will be back within the next two years.

Okay, look out for all the Facebook fanatics who will scream about how Iron Maiden and Soundgarden should have been inducted.

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:23am

driving force

I think with the case of Zevon, he was so much of an industry outsider and, from what I read, wasn't all that friendly that it's not surprising he missed.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:24am

Sheryl Crow is the AMERICAN bias. And, for some reason, she is heard on classic rock stations even though her music was never treated as album rock, actually is was more pop rock, when I was listening to terrestrial radio in the 90s. I know Kate Bush is British, but her Stranger Things turn made her an overnight rediscovered hot celebrity.

Cyndi Lauper is far more influential in general than Sheryl Crow would ever be. Yes, Crow is big in the industry, and has had more success in reality as a songwriter than as an artist herself. She is on par with Stevie Nicks as some of the worst choices for the Hall imo

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:24am

The induction of AI Kooper means the chance of induction of Blood, Sweat & Tears is very low. Like the case of Nile Rodgers with Chic.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:26am

Joe S.

Cyndi has a documentary coming out this summer. The rock hall loves a good documentary for induction consideration.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:27am

I just want to know the feeling of richie.

If Celion Dion is worthy than Kate Bush?

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:28am

Thrilled for Kate Bush, she deserves it but never thought this voting body would vote her in.
Sheryl Crow does not deserve to be on the list, like someone else said it shows an American bias, no one got into music because of a Sheryl Crow album, for goodness sakes. She is beyond vanilla.

Posted by SweetiePiePoePum on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:29am

Pretty incredible class. But it was really hard to eff it up from that ballot.

Kinda gutted for JD/NO and Zevon. But these follow trends. None of The Cure, Depeche Mode, etc made it in on their first try. And it took Rundgren 3 times before getting voted in. I think Zevon is likely to get in on his next try. I feel like JD/NO might be rotated out for The Smiths though.

I'm surprised Rage made it in! And a little surprised that Sheryl and The Spinners made it. Sheryl really made this connections count. I thought voters would pass her over for seniority seeing as she's not an undeniable artist. Surprised she made it in over Cyndi. But Cyndi's time will come soon. B-52's and Alanis next please!

They absolutely NAILED the side categories. All extremely deserving. Some (Chaka, Don, Link) long overdue. I hope we get to see Patti Labelle and Dick Dale and Wolfman Jack in their places soon.

I am still missing names like Big Mama Thornton, Carole Kaye and Wynonie Harris though!

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:30am

On one hand, I'm satisfied because it ended up not being safe, on the other, only 2 of my most wanted got in. Rage and Kate, who many did not expect to get in, I didn't expect rage personally, but Kate going in through main, I feel very vindicated I think that's the right word. The lack of Zevon maiden Soundgarden and especially JDNO does suck tho. But link Wray and Bernie taipan in special categories, amazing. Also gives me hope for steppenwold mc5 and procul harem in the future. The singles category is officially null!!

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:30am

It seems that the hall will insist on 7 performers each year, which is a good sign.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:31am

I'm bummed JD/NO didn't make it, but I will give Richie credit for calling that one. He was on an island in his opinion, but he ended up being correct about them not getting in. Props.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:32am

Everyone stop complaining about Sheryl getting it over Cyndi.

She had more success and is in a lot of way far more important. Her influence is also very much on display atm

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:32am

The person richie trusts said a eight men class, and ATCQ, Zevon would be inducted, Lauper was a lock. Except for the Spinners, he was totally wrong. He is just guessing as well.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:33am

As long as Questlove is still on the Nominating Committee, A Tribe Called Quest will still be in the ballot. And with Missy being the last "big" rap act for the next five years, they can get in a little easier.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:38am

I think Devo, MC5, New York Dolls are all likely candidates to be inducted in ME next year.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:41am

Early Influence is modified as musical Influence now.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:43am

John RC

Lil Wayne and 50 are now eligible and are bigger and as influential than her

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:44am

I do not know the relationship between Questlove and Outkast. If their relationship is not good, we may find Outkast is not nominated in 1-3 years.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:46am

I do not know the relationship between Questlove and Outkast. If their relationship is not good, we may find Outkast is not nominated in 1-3 years.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:46am

I agree with Mat R on Sheryl Crow. While she is by no means unique or exceptionally innovative, she enjoyed well over a decade of consistent success and crafted numerous songs that still get airplay today. She's also a testament to earning success the old-fashioned way, by working your way up. She paid her dues as a backup singer for Michael Jackson and Don Henley, among others, for many years before getting her own break. That's got to account for something.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:53am

Interesting class. Nobody totally undeserving, but Sheryl Crow and the Spinners were the least deserving. I had predicted Sheryl over Cyndi, but when I did so it was with regret. Sheryl is photogenic, kisses the right people, boomers like her, but Cyndi is more influential, even if only for one album. But to her credit Sheryl has the Grammys, which is a factor (see Foo Fighters.)

As for Spinners, I love 'em, but they are not influential, and their success is far more the result of Thom Bell (and Linda Creed) than anything else. But having been on Atlantic and Motown, they get the extra cachet.

Mat R,

Agree on Bernie ME being weird. I mean the man does not write music. He should get Ahmet Ertegun, same as Goffin/King.

Oh well, congrats to all.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:06am

Someone mentioned Sheryl crow not being on AOR stations and I'd agree, I'm contestantly plugged into my local classic rock station and for years I never once heard a Sheryl song played on there, until February of this year coinciding with the nomination, now she's played like all the time. Very odd. I'd agree with whoever said her induction is on par with Stevie nicks altough I like Stevie nicks a lot more. It's going for more prominent/popular women instead of going for more important women like big mama Thornton

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:07am

FRL tweeted that the 2023 rock hall ceremony might not air on HBO. They're looking for a new broadcaster. So many twist and turns this morning y'all.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:08am

Absolutely shocked by the lack of a Thom bell mention! With his recent passing and the spinners induction, it'd seem like literally the perfect time for him to get the honor

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:08am

Will M

I'm disappointed that Big Mama Thornton and Carol Kaye are yet to be recognized. Maybe next year???

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:12am

Also of note: George was the only fan vote top 5 to make the list, the lowest out of the fan vote since 2020 when only the Doobie bros made it after placing third. Soundgarden we're top 5 then as well

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:12am

Elle Dee

Bassists (and session players) need more respect!! By number of recordings alone Carol Kaye is the most snubbed musician ever!! James Jameson would come in a distant second place there

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:14am

This is an ECLECTIC class and I'm pretty happy with it. Kate Bush in through the front door is fantastic, Spinners and Rage were nice surprises as well. Chaka Khan, Link Wray, and Kool Herc are great category choices.

Disappointed to not see JD/NO, White Stripes, Tribe, Lauper up there, but on a ballot this competitive there were always gonna be snubs.

Also I love that the one artist on the ballot that nobody predicted got in lmao

Surprised to see pushback on Bernie Taupin, that induction makes perfect sense to me.

Excited to start thinking about how the ceremony will go for this, there's a lot to work with here

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:15am

Why do people think that Questlove will only nominate rappers and that he is the only one who will do so on the committee? I'd bet he has a pretty well-rounded musical palate and supports quite a few non-rappers every year. And anyone in that room could present Outkast for consideration, not just him. Yes, he may lean toward hip hop, but Questlove is certainly knowledgeable and supportive of a much wider range of music than just one genre. I hate when we pigeonhole people into such a narrow box and reduce them to a single character trait.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:18am

I guess the inductees will be inducted by:
George Michael-Brian May
Kate Bush-Big Boi
Missy Elliott-Lizzo
Rage Against the Machine-Bruce Springsteen
Sheryl Crow-Stevie Nicks
Willie Nelson-Neil Young
Don Cornelius-Stevie Wonder
Al Kooper-Stephen Stills
Bernie Taupin-Elton John (without doubt)
Chaka Khan-Mariah Carey

Elton John is suitable choice for inducting George Michael, Kate Bush and Bernie Taupin, however, I think he will only induct one.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:19am

With the class of this year, the ballot for next year will remain very competitive, which is good. We can see more niche artists to be inducted and not just safe inductions.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:22am

I'd say Spinners are more deserving than Sheryl Crow. There's only one member that's still alive and they've been eligible for decades. Sheryl could have easily waited a little bit longer.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:23am

I just want to see the look on Eddie Trunk and Howard Stern's faces with the announced class. They're currently having a meltdown right now as we speak lol.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:26am

Who do we think will be the headliner at the ceremony? I'd guess Willie, since Dolly did it last year, but maybe Rage. Personally I'd go with Missy, but if Eminem and Jay-Z couldn't headline when they went in, Missy doesn't stand a chance. Sheryl Crow feels like the obvious opener to me.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:26am

Link Wray -- Musical Influence. Perfect choice. All of us who play guitar, even those who play as poorly as I do, are influenced by "Rumble". He is exactly what that category should represent.

DJ Kool Herc -- MI. Also perfect. Did not create whole bunch of music, but an awful lot oh came after him owes him a huge debt. Hall got these two 100% correct.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:27am

Chasingwildcat

Either Big Boi, Tori Amos, or St. Vincent for Kate I think

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:28am

I'm most disappointed with JD/NO not getting in but considering it took The Cure and Depeche Mode a few tries to get inducted, I don't see how JD/NO would be any different. I think the same argument can be made with Zevon considering it took Todd Rundgren three noms to get in.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:37am

I'm just so emotional right now. I was crying an hour ago after hearing Kate's name as one of the seven inductees. She's long overdue. I kept telling people over and over that she deserves her place in the hall because of how influential she is in the art pop genre. Of course, I predicted that she would end up in musical excellence because I didn't think she would have enough votes for the performance category. But to see her get inducted into performance after being ignored for several years since her first nomination made me cry happy tears. She's finally in and couldn't be any happier.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:41am

Will M,

Agree 100% on Carole Kaye. As I have mentioned she id blackballed for a) having the temerity to say she played on some Motown sessions (she did), and b) for being a woman playing an instrument. BTW, Jamerson is already in, Class of 2000

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:45am

I'm considering going to the ceremony solely for Kate Bush. Imagine if she shows up and performs. That would be a once in a lifetime experience. I would have been even more over the moon if JD/NO got in.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:46am

RG,

No problem with Bernie, but he is a non-performer (Ertegun) type of candidate, not Musical Excellence. Same as Goffin/King, H-D-H, Barry/Greenwich and Mann/Weil.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:48am

Xwing1212,

and also with Cyndi Lauper as well especially if Pat Benatar took two tries to get in as well.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:48am

Some people have pointed out that George Michael is the only artist from the fab vote that got inducted while the other 4 aren't.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:50am

I also hope with Rage's induction the Rock Hall can FINALLY move on to nominating other alt-rock artists like Smashing Pumpkins, Pixies, or Sonic Youth unless Soundgarden becomes the next band that's nominated 5+ times before getting inducted.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:54am

I really wonder what does richie feel now. Is the information source by brucewayneofgotham real in the end? If Kate Bush is way less influential than Celine Dion?

Posted by chasingwildcat on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:56am

Kate's response to being a rock hall inductee :)

https://www.katebush.com/news/hall-fame

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:58am

It also looks like The Spinners got the boomer vote this year opposed to Warren Zevon.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 08:59am

"I have to admit I'm completely shocked at the news of being inducted into the Hall of Fame! It's something I just never thought would happen. Thank you so much to everyone who voted for me. It means a great deal that you would think of me. It's such a huge honour. Now as part of the initiation ceremony I get to find out about the secret handshake... there is one, right?" - Kate Bush

Does this mean there's a chance she's coming to the ceremony?

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:00am

I think she will attend the ceremony. She attended many award ceremony in the past and I think she will appear this time. It is so exciting. Her potential attendance is also proved by many broadcasts.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:05am

Now Finally at long last the announcement of the actual
2023 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliot
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Rage Against the Machine
the Spinners

Some surprises but I was RIGHT
CYNDI Lauper Daimler
She is great I love Cyndi but the same that happened to Pat Benatar happened to Cyndi.

Some nice surprises Inducted. I am surprised and Happy that Kate Bush is Inducted as MAIN performer
It is proud pleasure to see the Spinners inducted as Main Performer. I stated in the last 2 days the Spinners may be inducted Regular. That's VERYY coool.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:07am

Now Finally at long last the announcement of the actual
2023 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliot
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Rage Against the Machine
the Spinners

Some surprises but I was RIGHT
CYNDI Lauper Daimler
She is great I love Cyndi but the same that happened to Pat Benatar happened to Cyndi.

Some nice surprises Inducted. I am surprised and Happy that Kate Bush is Inducted as MAIN performer
It is proud pleasure to see the Spinners inducted as Main Performer. I stated in the last 2 days the Spinners may be inducted Regular. That's VERYY coool.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:07am

Do you think Kate Bush finally getting in opens the door for Bjork, Tori Amos, Fiona Apple and PJ Harvey to get their much deserved nominations and eventually, inductions?

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:11am

It's not too bad of a class. Glad that Kate Bush and The Spinners finally get in.

The only inductee that I would not have put in is Sheryl Crowe since it's just bland rock like Dave Matthews, Matchbox 20 and Hootie.

I wish that JD/New Order would have gotten in but they may take a few nominations to get in like The Cure and Depeche Mode

Posted by settler on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:11am

It's not too bad of a class. Glad that Kate Bush and The Spinners finally get in.

The only inductee that I would not have put in is Sheryl Crowe since it's just bland rock like Dave Matthews, Matchbox 20 and Hootie.

I wish that JD/New Order would have gotten in but they may take a few nominations to get in like The Cure and Depeche Mode

Posted by settler on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:11am

settler,

I see what you mean. If I attended the ceremony, Sheryl's induction would be the one I would go to the bathroom for if I needed to.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:15am

It is hard to say who will benefit from the induction of Kate Bush.

The persons who nominate her may come from different communities like British music community, women community, new wave community. It can not guarantee the nomination of one of Amos, Bjork, Apple, Harvey in the next year, but I think this will come sooner or later,

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:21am

I know it's really early, but who do you see being nominated for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:24am

despite my disapointemnts with the exclusions, and some of the inclusions, ive gotta say.

IM SO GLAD KATE RAGE AND LINK WRAY ARE IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seriously, rumble is one of the most importtant songs ever! distoritn changed forever bc of him and hes got so many other awesome moments. also kate, elle dee said it best but her music really is incredible. rage, finally!! also, bernie, ive long said he was a notable exclusion who deserved a lot of credit, although i wish eltons backing band davey johnstone, nigel olsson and ray cooper would be much welcomed!!

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:35am

Something I thought was interesting:

In the past when they announced the inductees it was always in alphabetical order. However when LL Cool J announced them earlier today, the order was as follows:

Willie Nelson, George Michael, Missy Elliott, Sheryl Crow, Rage Against the Machine, the Spinners, and Kate Bush.

Do we think it's possible that this is the order of the top 7 nominees who accrued the most votes? From a likelihood standpoint, it would make sense that Willie Nelson and George Michael would be the two highest vote-earning inductees, and the three 'surprises' (RATM, Spinners, Kate) would be the three lowest vote-earning inductees.

Posted by Brasssection on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:38am

Who will benefit from the current induction? There are my prediction. They are just guessing and may be false. I will name two for each case and the probability of the first is higher than the second.

George Michael - Mariah Carey / Diana Ross
Kate Bush - Bjork / Tori Amos
Missy Elliott - Mary J Blige / Outkast
Rage Against the Machine - Jane's Addiction / the Smashing Pumpkins
Sheryl Crow - Alanis Morrisette / Melissa Etheridge
The Spinners - The Meters / Kool and the Gang
Willie Nelson - John Prine / Emmylou Harris (I doubt if the hall will insist on inducting other country artists after Willie Nelson's induction)

My fan vote initially: Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, A Tribe Called Quest, the White Stripes
My fan vote after April: Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, A Tribe Called Quest, Warren Zevon

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:41am

Richie, it is too early, we need time to digest the result and know more information about this class like the actual voting rank result and the talking of nomination committee to forecasting the nomination of the next year class.

For example, if JD / NO finish about #8-10 in actual voting, they will return to the ballot because it shows they are very likely to be inducted in the next year. If they finish #13-14, the committee may try to put another artist like the Smiths, the B-52's on the ballot.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:46am

Congratulations to Henry FAMBOROUGH !!! At least ONE of the Original SPINNERS is still alive to accept !!
Congratulations to the children and family of DON CORNELIUS!!
This man has done MORE to champion BLACK MUSIC than ANYONE save
BERRY GORDY !!
Congratulations to CHAKA KNAN !!

Condolences to the OTHER members of RUFUS for getting the SHAFT.

This is still ANOTHER classic example of the DISPARITY between Black and White artists , when it relates to ROCK HALL INDUCTION: Waiting until members of Black groups are DEAD…of picking and choosing which members of those groups should get inducted, and which SHOULDN'T.

This adds CREDIBILITY to the accusations that, as FEW LIVING BLACK ARTISTS get INDUCTED as POSSIBLE, to keep the DEMOGRAPHICS of The Voting Body skewed toward While Rockers…by inducting DEAD BLACK ARTISTS and single BLACK GROUP MEMBERS, instead of ENTIRE GROUPS, (as was done to THE COMMODORES last year) while ALL members of White Rock Bands get inducted INTACT…even some members who were with the group a relatively SHORT TIME.
"Then the Hallowed Hall" can PICK and CHOOSE who gets IN…
And WHO DOESN'T.
Didn't anyone over there remember that RUFUS has WHITE members as well as BLACK ?
and that most of the White artists are getting inducted…while they are STILL ALIVE to
Feel the appreciation and accolades for their ACCOMPLISHMENTS?

WILL THINGS EVER CHANGE ??

Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:49am

Way too Early 2024 nominee predictions

Back for #6: The J. Geils Band

Back for #5: The Meters

Back for #3: Soundgarden, Iron Maiden

Back for #2: White Stripes, Warren Zevon, Cyndi Lauper, Jane's Addiction, Joy Division/New Order, Mary J. Blige

Debuts: Bjork, Coldplay, BTO, Snoop Dogg, Ice T, Melissa Etheridge

This was a big backlog year so I expect some new faces and faces we haven't seen for a while. At the same time I think there were a lot of strong contenders this year who will return and I think the Spinners over Cyndi this year will reopen the Hall to 60s and 70s types (plus the losses of Tim and Robbie Bachman I think will tip the scales for BTO)

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 09:56am

You know, seeing Rage, the Spinners, and Kate getting in after multiple tries just makes me more frustrated that they side-doored LL Cool J, Kraftwerk, and Judas Priest. If they'd been nominated further, I think they'd have eventually been inducted as performers. Maybe they didn't perform as well on the ballots as this year's inductees did or something. I know an induction is an induction but it still bugs me.

And yes, I know I'm the old man shouting at clouds right now.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:01am

Michael W, yes, I am still frustrated by the case of Chic now. If Chic is nominated this year in the position of the Spinners, Chic will also be inducted. On the other hand, if some acts are always nominated and not voted to be inducted, it will hinder the nomination of other acts in the same category. It is like the double edged sword.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:05am

god chic really need to be in!! nile Rodgers does deserve his AME for all he's done in producing and session work, but you'd be a buffoon to claim that represents chic. Bernie Edwards was a game changing bass player, one of the best to ever do it (thank you to Soulja pointing out that Jameson was actually in already and I just hadn't noticed). anyway I do think twelth time could potentially be the moment for chic if they were nominated again keep on pushing genuinely.


since I mentioned session guys, its amazing to see al kooper there. finally a return to honoring very deserving sidemen! now if only we could see carol Kaye and the whole wrecking crew...

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:14am

I feel pretty good about this class. I always like it when classes have a good variety of genres, and this one covers a lot of ground. Kate Bush has been one of my biggest snubs for years, and I'm glad she's being recognized finally. I'm also interested in the fact that Early Influence appears to now be Musical Influence. It does make sense, given that there's been some recent inductees in that category who haven't really been all that "early" (Kraftwerk and Gil Scott-Heron), but I'll be curious to see how they deal with it in the future. Is this how MC5 finally gets in?

Posted by imaginedchaos on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:16am

Mat R,

Out of your way-too-early predictions for the 2024 nominees (Bachman-Turner Overdrive, Bjork, Mary J. Blige, Coldplay, Snoop Dogg, Melissa Etheridge, Ice-T, Iron Maiden, The J. Geils Band, Jane's Addiction, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, The Meters, Soundgarden, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:18am

also, whoever said that quest love was THE rap guy on the committee? all the members are probably generally well rounded, hence being on the committee. if anything quest love defiantly pushed for spinners, he's a big Philly soul guy, lord knows he already campaigned for hall and Oates and Todd rundgren

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:19am

Two things

One: The Link Wray induction is the most important thing here and shows they're willing to correct the singles category. Jackie Brenston, The Kingsmen, Chubby Checker, Procol Harum, Steppenwolf, and The Shangri-Las are firmly back in contention

Two: With the joint nomination/induction thing they want to do I'm very curious if Bernard Edwards can get in on a Robert Palmer/The Power Station ticket.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:24am

Richie

Cyndi, White Stripes, Zevon, Snoop, Mary J. Blige, BTO, J. Geils Band

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:28am

I hope Alan Light will reveal some inner information. In 2019, he mentioned the women community will push for the case of Nicks, PAT B, Lauper, the Go-go's and eurythmics. I hope get information like this to make prediction.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:34am

They may rotate the 80s post punk/new wave nomination slot between The Smiths and Joy Division within the next few years. The Smiths may have a harder time being inducted because of the lead singers controversial views. Still it never stopped them from being nominated the past few years since he has always been outspoken about his opinion about muslims, chinese and England in the 90s and 2000s. We will see if The Smiths or Joy Divison/NO comes back next year but it also may as well be taken by INXS.

Rounding out the rest of the nomination slots for next year could possibly be Phil Collins(successful solo artist), Alanis Morrisette (female rock solo), Coldplay(huge 2000 band), Moterhead(Metal), Sade, and also returning to the ballot Soundgarden, MC5

Posted by jay k on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:34am

This was the strongest set of nominees in years so there were going to be some obvious disappointments. I think most, if not all, of those that didn't get in this year will be inducted in the next several years. Looking at the newly eligible artists for the next several years, I'm guessing a lot of previously eligible artists will be part of the classes for the foreseeable future.

Posted by Gary M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:37am

jay k, it is just my opinion, and it may be false. I do not think INXS will be nominated soon. The nominations of JD/NO and the Smiths come from the people supporting British alternative/post-punk music. They have nominated The Cure and Depeche Mode before. I think they will mainly support for British music.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:38am

THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES CONNECTIONS TO 2023 INDUCTEE, BERNIE TAUPIN

Don Cornelius - Elton John performed Philadelphia Freedom on Soul Train in 1975.

The Spinners - Thom Bell produced 10 of the Spinners albums, and he also produced Elton John's "The Thom Bell Sessions" album in 1977, and it was released in 1979.

Willie Nelson - Bernie Taupin wrote the lyrics for the 2002 Willie Nelson and Lee Ann Womack duet, "Mendocino County Line." Willie Nelson did a remake of Elton John's 1970 Border Song in 2018 for Restoration - an Elton John/Bernie Taupin tribute album.

Kate Bush - Elton John fan. Kate Bush did a remake of Rocket Man in 1991 on the Two Rooms album - Celebrating the Songs of Elton John and Bernie Taupin. Elton John duetted with Kate Bush in 2011 for "Snowed In At Wheeler Street."

George Michael - Biggest Elton John and Bernie Taupin fan. George Michael performed on two tracks from Elton John's 1985 album, Ice On Fire - Nikita and Wrap Her Up! A live version of Elton John's "Tonight" performed by George Michael was included on the 1991 Two Rooms album - Celebrating the Songs of Elton John and Bernie Taupin. George Michael also did a live performance of Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me in 1991, with Elton John, which went to # 1.

Sheryl Crow - Another Elton John fan. She was the narrator for the VH1 Legends episode on Elton John in 1997. Sheryl Crow sang with Bernie Taupin on "Burn This Bed" a song from the 1996 Farm Dogs album called Last Stand In Open Country.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:39am

What an incredible and deserving class! Great to see so many previously nominated and snubbed artists get in. It will be good to keep in mind predicting future classes - don't count out artists returning to the ballot and always ignore the fake insider "leaks" lol

Posted by chipmunk on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:50am

I think it is very likely that Iron Maiden return to the ballot in the next year for the 3rd time and if they are not voted in they will be inducted in ME, same with Judas Priest.

If the hall nominates Motorhead, it will use at least two more years to induct them in ME, which is less efficient than inducting Iron Maiden.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:51am

power

i feel inxs are in the general new wave line rather than the uk alt one and their line includes the b52s and huey lewis

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 10:59am

another observation, NO LAWYERS THIS YEAR LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! The Non performer, which should really be renamed, is actually being used for someone who ACTUALLY contributed to music history in Don Cornelius. sidenote, Iovine and Robinson were really good pics for last year. id like to see Estelle Stewart soon, who cofounded stax with Jim

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 11:04am

I am surprised that JD/New Order did not get induction. I predicted them all along. I am NOT an ELECTRONIC fan but I know they have a big album Output. Alright then. Doesn't bother me it was just a prediction based on reality.
They seem to have a more chance than GEORGE THOROGOOD others like that who I am associated with. Oh well
NO SOUNDGARDEN that's a sad thing. We will have to see next year on them.
The big disappointment for me is WARREN ZEVON. Wow. I thought there was a statement of CONGRATS. Something was fake there.
But heyyy I started to think the Spinners may get inducted with lots of VOTES. I was thinking Early influence BUT this much coooletE

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 11:14am

Ben,

As to Spinners, while I felt they were among the least qualified, I am glad they got in as performers, not ME or Early Influence, as they really were not qualified in those areas.

Mat R, Others,

As to Chic, I am really on the fence here. First off, Bernard Edwards is a huge snub. I felt he should have gone in with Nile, ort at least the following year (not really as influential as Nile, but who is?). But Chic has had a lot of chances, and TBH, when I ask why they should get in, I get a lot of responses along the lines of "Well look at all the stuff Nile produced, and look at all the sampling and copying of their styles". All of which is true, but it makes me think that they belong in as a Musical Influence, not as performers. They are an odd group in that it is really hard to tell where their accomplishments as a performing entity diverge from their influence. I will say this: If Chic gets in as a Performer, then KC & Sunshine Band deserve a look.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 11:48am

power,

I feel they may nominate INXS alongside either NO/Joy Division or the Smiths so they can safely induct one of the two combinations I mentioned to fill the New Wave/Post Punk slot.

Posted by jay k on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 11:48am

Bill G,

Couldn't agree more that Rufus got shafted. And basically agree on Cornelius (although to quibble, I think James Brown has done as much as Cornelius for Black artists and music.) However, I am not sure I agree that the Spinners represent a disparity. They are a borderline artist at best, and have been nominated multiple times. Compare to Commodores, Monkees, Three Dog Night, Barry White, Television, none of whom have even been nominated. And War is way more deserving than the Spinners. Oddly, the Hall has actually (in some aspects) favored Black artists when it comes to nominations. Sam & Dave as FYE but Righteous Brothers wait 20 years. EWF in 4 years, Chicago waits 25. Drifters, Ronettes and Coasters in, but Three Dog Night, Shangri Las and Monkees can't get nominated. Nat King Cole in, but Sinatra and Johnnie Ray out. Moonglows and Flamingoes in, Skyliners out. All the Black artists I listed belong, but their white counterparts merit at least a consideration. Same thing with Jamerson in, Kaye out. When it comes to Rap (or other Hip Hop culture music) now there is definitely a disparity, but I think this will clear up over time. Still astonishes me that Salt& Pepa haven't been nominated though. But I agree with a lot of your sentiments, hope I am not coming across as contrary!

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:01pm

I feel like Chic is done. 11 nominations, no cigar. It would be a total joke to give them another try over Kool and the Gang or Rick James. There's no reason to induct Nile twice as his work with Chic has been recognized. Chic is a dead horse.

Bernard Edwards should be in and I see two days of doing that: Musical Excellence or The Power Station (a bit that probably has to be merged with Robert Palmer) and I would favour that cause it also gets Tony Thompson (another Chic member) in. Andy and John Taylor become doubles but you know it would be less circle jerk than Nile becoming a double.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:09pm

I'm most happy about them finally fixing one of their most egregious snubs: Link Wray. It's fine that it's a side category, he is finally in.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:17pm

I'm most happy about them finally fixing one of their most egregious snubs: Link Wray. It's fine that it's a side category, he is finally in.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:17pm

Forget to add, I wish they had included G. C Cameron with The Spinners, what a beautiful singing voice that man had.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:18pm

Chaka Khan -- Absolutely belongs, should have gone in long ago. Really wish they had included Rufus, that band cooked!
Al Kooper -- What a weird character. He is on the fringes all the time. Short Shorts, This Diamond Ring, Like a Rolling Stone, You Can't Always Get What You Want, Mike Bloomfield Super Session, BS&T, Lynyrd Skynyrd. It seems he is involved with so much but never sticks with it. Real hard to figure. I can't think of a comparable figure in the business. Maybe Arthur Baker. Who would have been a better choice. Or Mickey Baker, who also would be a great choice.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:24pm

Mat R,

Good call on Rick James. Kind of a jerk as a person, but hugely qualified. And of course the Hall could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by including Bernard Edwards in the first place!

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:28pm

Mat R,

Good call on Rick James. Kind of a jerk as a person, but hugely qualified. And of course the Hall could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by including Bernard Edwards in the first place!

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:28pm

Speaking of Robert Palmer btw, since Lionel Richie and George Michael made it in in back to back years where do we see that kind of male MTV star going next year? I was talking with K-Dawg a bit about it and it seems the A-tier (with the S-tier having Prince, Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie, and Michael Jackson) only really has like Brian Adams and Billy Idol left before you get to the B-tier which is like Richard Marx, Bobby Brown, Robert Palmer and Billy Squier. There's also the mystery of Weird Al.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:30pm

Doubtful Richard Marx would ever get. Maybe that hair though

Posted by jay k on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:39pm

Mat R,

I would add Culture Club and Pet Shop Boys to you A/B list. Boy George was very influential in terms of LGBTQ acceptance, and took a lot of personal and professional heat for his stances. He walked the walk, in more ways than one. And I don't see much daylight between Lionel Richie and Phil Collins. Both had solo careers that dwarfed their groups of origin.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:50pm

Jay k

Yep the next tier of the 80s is weak af. Maybe billy Squier or Gary Numan can nab a Musical Influence spot or Thomas Dolby can get in on Musical Excellence but yea Richard Marx, Falco and such not much of a chance. bobby brown will get in with new edition

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:53pm

Phil Collins will probably be the next male MTV star nominated and inducted, particularly given the recent penchant for double inductions, as well as the recent penchant for '80s Grammy Album of the Year winners (Richie and Michael.) He simultaneously has classic rock cred as well as respect from the R&B/rap community. Idol is I think the only other one of those names who will be inducted. I do think Yankovic would be more likely than Adams/Marx/Brown/Palmer/Squier but I'm not sure what I'd say his chances were.

I sort of expected Kate Bush even before Stranger Things simply because so many British artier and or new wave acts got in recently between Roxy Music/Depeche Mode/The Cure/Duran Duran/Eurythmics who I'm sure voted for her 100%. Additionally, even Pat Benatar covered "Wuthering Heights" so I bet she did too. The percentage of voters who went for her had to increase markedly from her earlier times on the ballot just by new members alone in addition to the recent popularity boost.

Lots of people assumed the White Stripes were a shew-in but even though they had commercial success they weren't massive pop stars and the Hall is going for massive pop stars right now. I also think people were annoyed and thought they were nominated when they didn't before they should have been eligible. If they had done Coldplay instead though, I think they'd have gotten it.

Lots of people also said Sheryl Crow was a shew-in because of her connections but I really didn't see it mainly because the more boomer-oriented voters want to vote for people they remembered from the '70s. I didn't really see it as the same thing as Lionel Richie because he had connections to the same era as his voting contemporaries and also in my opinion had much deeper connections to legends, having written "We Are the World" and stuff like that. I saw this as sort of a repeat of Dave Matthews where they were extremely popular but neither really admired or despised by critics, or like a next generation Carly Simon. I figured she'd be somebody who'd finally get in after 15 years when more legendary names were selected first. I'm surprised, but I guess she and the Spinners were the one the classic rockers went for when you would have expected them to go for Zevon. But I guess I can see why the Hall went for her first because she had more popularity than PJ Harvey/Tori Amos/Liz Phair/Fiona Apple and more longevity than Alanis Morissette/Sarah McLachlan/Jewel/etc... Didn't really expect her to be the classic rock pick though.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:54pm

I was hoping Willie Nelson would get in, as you obviously noticed. Kate and RATM are ok, although I am not that familiar with their work. Missy is a disappointment as she is yet another rap act (RATM is at least a hybrid). George Michael I am neutral as I am unfamiliar with his work. The Spinners are tolerable as they are another soul act. They finally got Chaka Khan out of the way. Nice to see Link Wray finally get in, although I've never heard any of his work. No Wraymen, though, which is disappointing. Sheryl Crow is great.

The biggest snubs are the finally-nominated Warren Zevon and odd nominee Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by Roscoe on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 12:59pm

I'm still shocked that George is the lone artist in the top 5 of the fan vote to get in. I was expecting him, Cyndi, Warren, and Soundgarden to be in this year's class as part of my predictions. But in the words of Ms Kate Bush "wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, unbelievable."

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:03pm

Sean

I would say Bryan Adams is more likely than Weird Al. Adams is still a draw on the road, he has songs that get a lot of airplay, multiple Oscar nominations, plus he's turned to photography and has done a lot there. He also was going to induct Tina Turner (but then he got covid) so he is on the hall's mind.

Weird Al is a conundrum because he's done everything a hall of famer should have done and more. A #1 album, pop hits in 4 different decades, helped define the music video, loads of gold and platinum albums but at the same time he's a comedian first. I think there's an argument he's one of a kind but would the hall care.

I'm iffy on the hall jumping at adding another high profile white male to the double inductee list right now after Grohl kinda landed with a meh which is why I didn't mention Collins. Collins, Ozzy, and Petty all make a good amount of sense especially as 80s MTV stars as solo acts for induction but I dunno. I honestly see Dr. Dre as next in line to join the double club unless they try McCartney with Wings.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:04pm

Adams is so critically despised though (like substantially more than even Journey and Bon Jovi) and even though he was a rocker in the '80s I think most people think of him as primarily an adult contemporary artist and has any primarily adult contemporary artist ever been inducted? I guess you could argue Whitney Houston or Neil Diamond but I don't think that I would since I think they were inducted for their earlier work. And if they went in an AC direction, wouldn't they choose The Carpenters instead who are loved by many critics?

I think the people upset with white male overrepresentation would be okay with Collins or Ozzy because they are already voters and they wouldn't increase the voting rolls, which I think is most people's concern with that. Ozzy is just waiting for more important metal artists but Collins exactly fits the Richie/Michael mold.

A separate Tom Petty nomination would be a joke. The hits from Full Moon Fever appeared on Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers' greatest hits and some of the Heartbreakers played on them. I would say even though those were technically solo hits that they're still considered part of the band's legacy.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:16pm

It will become harder to predict who will be inducted in the future. This class is very surprising. I think the hall may have already improved the structure of the voting body and more diverse result is obtained.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:16pm

I could totally see Dr. Dre, Brian Eno in Musical Excellence, or Matt Cameron for Soundgarden beating Collins though. Those are all probably inevitabilities.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:17pm

Matt R,

The artists from the 80s you mentioned are just too weak to get in. Gary Numan and Thomas Dolby are known as one hit wonders and barely even had any other minor hits. Billy Squier had his career cut short because of the ridiculous stroke video.

When Im thinking of B-tier 80s artist of getting in, I think of Tears For Fears or Huey Lewis. Highly unlikely they may even be nominated but can be considered in the voting process

Posted by Jay K on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:23pm

Sean

I feel like for a guy like Adams the critical reception can be countered by the industry love. Again the Oscars nominations, the Grammys, the MTV Awards, plus the third most Juno Awards in history. He's already getting Songwriter Hall of Fame nods.

Tom Petty is a weird case because there is a difference between him solo and with the Heartbreakers (he alone is more alternative and Americana while the Heartbreakers are way poppier and rock n roll) and his two biggest and best albums (Full Moon Fever and Wildflowers) were just him. Not key albums but his biggest and best works of his entire career.

Also I feel like the Carpenters are kind of in that Spinners slot

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:27pm

Jay K

I'm talking male solo here not group. Also Dolby and Numan are one hitters with a lot of influence. Dolby was like hanging with P-Funk, Foreigner, and Herbie Hancock and Numan is party of why NIN, Ministry, and Manson came to exist which is why I'm saying maybe a side category. Then there's Squier who is like the most sampled dude ever, everyone has sampled him at least once it's absurd.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:32pm

Not sure I see Tom Petty solo. But I agree that his solo work is arguably more enjoyable than his HB stuff. If we want to consider two-fers, maybe Split Enz/Crowded House and/or Jam/Style Council. Although only Weller went on to Style Council, and it is a dubious precedent to double up on bands with only a single common member.

And I don't understand the disdain for Bryan Adams. He seems to have his heart in the right place. Sometimes the Hall seems to resent artists who are too successful in the mainstream (Collins, Richie, Michael, Mariah, Janet, Whitney, Hall& Oates) and makes them wait a while (was that what Janet's song was about? )

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:41pm

Yeah everyone has sampled Billy Squier, but it's always the same song. No one's sampling In The Dark or Everybody Wants You. Just The Stroke. I'm a Squier fan from way back and I don't think he has any realistic case for nomination, let alone induction. In his lane, Bryan Adams comes out way ahead of him in terms of success and longevity. I'm not a huge proponent of Adams getting in, as he's basically the male Sheryl Crow in terms of innovation and originality, but he's got a ton of hits and has a much better shot than Billy Squier.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:57pm

As a Tom petty super fan

Solo petty is an absolute no. For most including myself, his solo career and hb aren't separate entities. The hbs play on the solo records it's all one continuous stream of work. It'd be absolutely superfluous, Elvis Costello would fit better as solo without the attractions and that would also be a joke of an induction. And I'm also a Costello super fan

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:58pm

soulja,

Also add Love& Rockets/Bahaus to the combo equation.

Posted by jay k on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 13:59pm

While I greatly admire both Dolby and Numan, they are considered one hit 80s synth pop wonders in too many people's minds. Those people are wrong, but won't do the research to change that view.

I know Tom Petty technically put out solo work aside from the Heartbreakers, but the induction for Tom Petty & the Heartbreaks was essentially for Tom Petty anyway, but also acknowledging he had a kick ass band. No way he'd go in a second time.

I also find the disdain for Bryan Adams a but unfair, although he partially brought it on himself with all of his ballads. But listen to the Reckless album, that is a great 80s rock record.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:00pm

The sampling is a fair point on squire, and I like him more than adams, but adams is a lot more than Squier is. More of everything really. And adams os great too

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:01pm

Michael W

No he's got two, The Stroke and Big Beat. In fact Big Beat is way way more sampled than The Stroke (it's been used in like 99 Problems, Butterfly, and Girl on Fire) but the Stroke is the better known song which still gets a lot of airplay. That's why I'm saying Musicial Influence over Performer.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:03pm

Jay K,

Good call on L&R/Bauhaus

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:05pm

Mat R,

You're right. Not sure why I didn't even think of Big Beat. Still, it's not anywhere near enough for consideration. If Boston, Foreigner, and other arena rockers of his era can't get a sniff, Billy doesn't stand a chance.

I agree with everyone on Petty. His solo work and work with the Heartbreakers are pretty much lumped together, especially since many Heartbreakers contributed heavily to the solo albums. I doubt he gets in solo. He probably has better chance of getting in with Traveling Wilburys than solo, and that's not particularly likely either (though I'd actually love a Wilburys nom!)

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:22pm

There is great chance that 7 will be inducted in each year in the future.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:28pm

Upon sampling George and Kate, I guess Bush counts as the sole classic rock act unless Crow counts. Michael is nice in that his work sounds like Hall and Oates.

Also disappointing is the lack of Iron Maiden and Soundgarden yet again.

Posted by Roscoe on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:30pm

This is a good class. I'm Happy with all the choices and very happy about Kate Bush and the Spinners included . It's eclectic .
I notice NO White Stripes. That's why I didn't discuss them too much. It seems too soon. I am still absorbing the 2023 Class

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:33pm

Michael W.

It's one song but massive influence and we literally just say Link Wray go in

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:34pm

Out of the acts who didn't get in this year for 2023, Who do you think have the best chances at induction next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:41pm

I have a lot of thoughts about this class. The one thing I'll say is, with the exception of Sheryl Crow (this is my opinion, so don't browbeat me for having a different perspective than you might have, please),every artist that was inducted is deserving. However, to paraphrase a famous quote, some are much more deserving than others.

I'm not so sure the Hall is trying to clean up its formidable list of shortcomings as much as advertised. Kate Bush is a prime example. Yes, she has had conversations about being worthy and she definitely is. However, Stranger Things fell into the Hall's lap. She was inducted, and in the main artist cat, but does this happen if "Running Up That Hill" doesn't come back to prominence? You can never really predict history, but I suspect not. With her being inducted, it gives the committee a brilliant opportunity to showcase itself in different periods in history. They did it back in 2014 with Green Day, who was super hot then, and had just released an album. There is precedence for this even in the past.

So, what I'm saying is, while this list looks pretty compelling on the surface, the Hall is going to do what it can to save face and try to make itself look good. While there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, it also makes it a point that they will, and have, gone in directions that might not make the purest sense.

If you disagree, answer me this: how much were Kate Bush's chances improved with the Stranger Things phenomenon compared to otherwise? Do you honestly think she gets in this year, or even nominated without it? PR coup...again nothing wrong with hit

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:45pm

Richie, Cyndi Lauper.

I feel more uncertain about the chance of Soundgarden. Soundgarden seems to follow the history of RATM and may take 2-3 more tries to get in.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:46pm

and the other thing, why nominate the White Stripes a year early, completely unexpected, if you're not going to put them in? Seems like someone on the committee fell asleep at the wheel on that one.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:48pm

on the subject of the 80s, obviously Cyndi Lauper, who I felt was the biggest non-new wave omission before this class, easily becomes the biggest name not in from a pop perspecttive.

The new wave and indie rock scene still has a glut of names bordering on the 70s genres (all of them, arena rock, funk/soul/r and b, and singer/songwriter/folk-AM rock, and I almost forgot punk) in terms of plenty left that are worthy. Even beyond Joy Division/New Order, you have the B52s, INXS, Tears for Fears. What about English Beat?

mat R, you have a solid handle on who is left, but something's gnawing at me that we are missing someone or multiple someones. And, I would add Sade or Tracy Chapman, as they don't really fit into either a pop or a new wave genre.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:56pm

Thoughts on this class:

Mixed thoughts - let's face it, everyone was deserving. Very happy for Kate Bush and Spinners finally getting in. Biggest shocker for me was Cyndi. And Warren, despite of all the love for him. We no longer have to see Rage clogging up the ballot, or Kate (lol). As for Missy - it's great she's in - hopefully this paves the way for the female rappers BEFORE her, that's right, Queen Latifah, Salt n Pepa, where you at? Wish I could also include J.J. Fad. Just never saw in her as a first-year-eligible inductee or the first female rap act in. Good news is a lot of the acts passed over will likely get in next year. Actualy, that will make the 2024 nominees ballot another competitive one. Hopefully Billy Joel won't have to write another letter to the NomCom about Warren. It goes without saying the ceremony will be a great one. Let's all hope Willie can make it to November!

Next, as a St. Louisan, I gotta give Sheryl Crow a hefty congrats. Not many know about her early life, but I'm sure many know she had paid her dues like crazy before becoming a success. She taught music in school (Fenton, MO) and sang jingles in the St. Louis area, it was all uphill from there. Not bad for someone who originated from the Bootheel!

As far as the side categories, it was another satisfying look. I know most of us are disappointed about Chaka; however, that does not rule out Rufus. Great to know Elton will possibly be at the ceremony. As FRL pointed out, Link Wray's newest induction may raise hope for some. Like Chubby Checker, or even Steppenwolf...

Very surprised about Don Cornelius, in a good way. Yes he's definitely deserving (and overdue), and he's the first TV host/disc jockey to get in that category in a long time. Probably not since Dick Clark. Let's get some more radio DJ's in! We shouldn't have to wait another 30 years...just saying.

Anyway, overall another awesome class. Thank you voters and Rock Hall!

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 14:56pm

K-Dawg,

On the New Wave scene that wasn't mentioned is Madness who are huge in England but are only known as a two hit wonder in the states. Human League also has a respectable influence with Dare being called one of the best new wave album by their peers and they had a few big hits in the US. Adam Ant also is a very colorful solo artist but like Tom Petty he gets lumped in with his respective band The Ants.

Non new wave hitters that never get mentioned above are Sade, Rick Springfield and Robert Palmer

Posted by jay kay on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 15:33pm

I would give this Induction Class a B-. That's considering the talented music artists who were not inducted. No Iron Maiden and no Soundgarden. Somehow, Cyndi Lauper has been denied Induction although many believed she would be enshrined. I'm curious where all these votes for Rage Against The Machine and The Spinners appeared. Many Singular artists were inducted. That's not many votes like a group where they can have 5-6 votes to help 1 of their fellow groups or genres. Excited to see Sheryl Crow inducted and finally Willie Nelson. I wrote a little post several years ago stating Crow would be inducted 2023 2024. Right on schedule. The Spinners are a pleasant surprise. I don't know where all their votes arrived on a stacked ballot. They could have waited on George Michael until 2025 or 2026. Strange he is on the ballot this year. It's good to see Chaka Khan finally inducted through the Special Awards. It gets awkward for the RRHOF and a deserving artist like Chaka Khan to be nominated and fall short. One thing to be certain...2023-2024 will be a stacked ballot. Iron Maiden and Soundgarden should return as well as Cyndi Lauper and Joy Division/New Order. They finally placed Link Wray in the Influence category. It will be interesting who will perform at the ceremony. George Michael has passed away as well as most of The Spinners. Kate Bush is kind of reclusive and doesn't like flying. Perhaps they can do a video of her performing a few songs from England or something. Rage Against The Machine, Sheryl Crow, and Willie Nelson probably will perform some good short sets. Hearing Chaka Khan sing a few songs will benefit the ceremony. Richie talks about who benefits. I think Kool & The Gang will finally earn nomination in 2023-2024. It's long overdue. Melissa Etheridge could benefit now Sheryl Crow has been inducted. They are of similar age and Etheridge arrived on the scene a little earlier. Maybe, INXS will finally receive a nomination as many of the popular and talented 80's artists have been inducted (Bruce, Def Leppard, Duran Duran, Janet, Madonna, MJ, U2, Van Halen, etc). I'm hoping Soundgarden earns induction soon as Alice In Chains and STP and Smashing Pumpkins are waiting. Disappointed Iron Maiden cannot earn induction. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 15:36pm

Now that I mentioned Madness, I was now thinking that the biggest ska/Reggae band omission is UB40

Posted by jay k on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 15:39pm

KING

It's not true that Kate has a fear of flying. That's just a myth. She's probably going to show up in person for the ceremony.

Overall, I like the list of the 2023 inductees. I know a lot of rock purists are angry on twitter about the lack of Soundgarden and Iron Maiden as of this moment. I think the 14 acts were all deserving.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 15:42pm

I repeat. What about English Beat for those mentioning the British new wave acts? Seems they are forgotten in the fold

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 15:42pm

kdawg,

I doubt they get in. They are my favorite when ranked against the 3 ska bands of the 80s. To the US they are mainly known as a one hit wonder and as the group General Public (which actually had more hits in the US).

Wish they will get in though. I really love their catalog of songs

Posted by jay k on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 15:45pm

With RATM finally getting in, which alt-rock band is betting in next? It might be Soundgarden due to two noms already but are finally going to get Smashing Pumpkins and the Pixies on the board? Maybe go back to Jane's Addiction or The Replacements?

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 16:03pm

Going back to earlier with the Dr. Dre chat, I feel like after Snoop is involved in Willie's induction this year, Snoop will be nominated and inducted quickly in 2024 or 2025.

After that, there is nothing really stopping Dr. Dre from being nominated in 2025 or 2026 aside from wanting to have 50 Cent in first so you have all of Dre's proteges (cept kendrick) in.

Also anyone have a higher caliber of proteges than Tupac, Eminem, Snoop, 50, and Kendrick?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 16:06pm

K-Dawg,

Some additional overlooked '80s artists: JD/NO of course (should have been inducted, next year....), Smiths, Husker Du (I can't do umlauts), Pixies, Sonic Youth, Replacements, Echo & Bunnymen, XTC, Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Cyndi.
'70s: Graham Parker (Rumour), Dave Edmunds (ME maybe), Bad Co., Foreigner, Styx, Big Star, Television, Can (if Krautrock ever gets recognition), Brian Eno solo (ME?), Dolls, Thin Lizzy, Buzzcocks, Tull, Boston.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 16:09pm

Mat R,

Would you put Wu Tang Caln in the Dr. Dre caliber?

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 16:10pm

Souljah

Music wise yes same with outkast and nas but when it comes to influence I think Dre might have the edge over all of them

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 16:37pm

Agree Dre is more influential. I was going to say I "Forgot About Dre" but I don't want to annoy Eminem.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 16:43pm

I see Dre's name a lot, however, he is already in with NWA, and it's been shown in the past the Hall is happy with doing that. I'll take a Snoop induction and move onto 50 Cent, Drake and the dearth of female hip hop groups left out at the moment, ie. Salt N Pepa, TLC, En Vogue and Beyonce/Destiny's Child, over a double induction for Mr. Young any day, and I am a massive fan of his stuff...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 17:07pm

K-dawg

When has the hall been fine with leaving a figure like Dr Dre at a single induction?

His solo career is significantly more influential and popular than his work with NWA. He's on Rolling Stone's Immortals list twice, his solo stuff is ranked higher, and he founded several of the biggest music ventures of the last 30 years. Not too mention hie proteges are Tupac, Eminem, Snoop Dogg, 50 Cent, and Kendrick Lamar. He headlined the super bowl for God's sake.

What other example is there of a guy like that being covered by his induction with his early group project? Like Jesus George Harrison is in twice and Clapton is in 3 times and both of their solo careers are less popular and import than Dr Dre's.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 17:26pm

With so many Black people getting in this year, Do you think that we'll see Mary J. Blige and Dionne Warwick both come back to the ballot and get inducted on their second and third tries next year?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 17:39pm

Mat r,

Brian eno is the immediate thought.

I'm not saying they'll stop at it, it's more of a hope because while rap is a deserving genre, they have gone a bit overboard and have neglected other genres. It's something they've committed to, and it stalls the backlog. I'm not a fan of group and solo unless they are immeasurably different, which was the case with Tina turner or Michael Jackson. Of course, the hall lokes such things.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 17:48pm

Richie,

Dionne maybe, but I absolutely expect that Mary J Blige makes the ballot again next year. More thoughts on the 2024 ballot to come, but I wanna focus on our current class first.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 17:54pm

I would give this Induction Class an A- . That's considering the talented music artists who were not inducted. No Iron Maiden and no Soundgarden. Somehow, Cyndi Lauper has been denied Induction I was figuring on that even when many thought she was an easy win. All these votes for Rage Against The Machine and The Spinners came from the Alternative fans for RAge and R&B fans for the Spinners of the Voting body. Many solo singers like George Michael and Willie Nelson is just fine. Excited to see Sheryl Crow inducted and finally Willie Nelson. I have thought of Sheryl Crow getting inducted the last couple year. She went in at a good time. The Spinners are a pleasant surprise. I don't know where all their votes arrived on a stacked ballot. They could have waited on George Michael but it seems like commemorating kind of thing. Makes sense he is on the ballot this year. It's good to see Chaka Khan finally inducted through the Special Awards. It gets awkward for the RRHOF and a deserving artist like Chaka Khan to be nominated and fall short. It seems to me the Ceremony will be very cool. I will Not make any comments on that for awhile. We will have to see who performs.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 18:20pm

K-dawg

Eno is not on Dr. Dre's level of importance and as for different Dre went from gangsta rap calls to action to g-funk club bangers. He was vital to the birth of two subgenres.

You talk about stalling genres and rap is one of those genres

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 18:35pm

Mat r,

Are you insane? Eno LITERALLY invented Ambient Music

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 18:47pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees (If 7 inductees each year) in the next 15 years (2024-2039)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 18:50pm

Alright here's my thoughts/opinions on this year's class into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame & I'll also be discussing about the ones who didn't make the final cut in another post soon.

Class of 2023 inductions

Performers:
Kate Bush - With her song Running up that Hill appeared on the latest season of Stranger Things, I would expect 2023 will be Kate Bush's year & it turns out I am right. That means she's finally getting inducted after 4 nominations. I don't expect her perform at the ceremony but we don't know yet.

Sheryl Crow - Back & Fourth, I predicted that Sheryl Crow would or not be inducted this year due to the ballot being competitive & her appearances at the past ceremonies. I actually thought next year would be her time but here she is.

Missy Elliott - Elliott 1st nomination would prove she'll be the first female rapper to ever be honored so this year will finally be her claim to victory.

George Michael - A lot of people predicted George Michael being inducted this year given the fact he's a Fan Vote winner & he's the only one from the Top 5 being voted in.

Willie Nelson - An only lock & guarantee for the honor.

Rage Against the Machine - Well got to say, having 5 nominations just proves to be tiresome for the voters & thus is why they finally got it correct with Rage Against the Machine. Thought they might be included in one of the non voting methods but rightfully got voted in.

The Spinners - Nothing against them being honored as performers but I thought they might be given an "Early Influence" recognition due to almost all of the members gone now & only their 4th nomination. Having said that, they're finally getting their long overdue induction.

The picks of Musical Excellence, Early Influence & Ahmet Ertugun Award are great with the likes of Chaka Khan, Bernie Taupin, Don Cornelius etc.

Overall, this is a fine class just not as exciting like the ones in the past.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 19:02pm

I take it Al Kooper was inducted to make up for the lack of Classic Rock. Anyway, great job on all categories, but it's too bad most of the top 5 didn't get in again (though at least this time the winner did) The Diamond trend continues with George Michael. Great that Link Wray was rescued from the Singles Category and Chaka finally got in (ME is probably a good spot since it covers both herself and Rufus. It makes more sense for her than LL or Priest) Missy Elliot becomes the first black woman FYE. Not even Areatha or The Supremes pulled that off!

I'm not going to bother waiting for another inductee to die, so here's the update on living and dead members, including 2023:

Since the ceremony, Christine McVee, Tommy Facenda, Jim Stewart, Dino Danelli, Fred White, Jeff Beck, David Crosby, Charlie Thomas, Gary Rossington, Clarance "Fuzzy" Haskins, Seymour Stein, and Harry Belafonte have died. Will any of them get a tribute performance, or is this class too big?

Living Members of each class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 6/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 12/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 19/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1998: 18/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2003: 16/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, and Bill Medley)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 11/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, and Larry Mullen)
2006: 18/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 27/70 (Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 18/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)
2022: 24/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, Harry Belafonte, and Elizabeth Cotten)
2023: 13/20 (George Michael, Billy Henderson, Pervis Jackson, Bobbie Smith, Philippe Wynne, Don Cornelius, and Link Wray.)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 19:06pm

Will m

How am I insane for saying Brian Eno is not as culturally important artist as Dr. Dre?

Eno is great and important but he is not Dr. Dre, who is a mainstream celebrity who also quite literally changed the course of popular music and culture. There are not many people in music who are as culturally important as Dr. Dre, there's a reason he's one of I think 3 people on the Immortals list twice.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 19:14pm

Mat r,

Eh true, fair points. And I didn't mean it like that, used the phrase as more of an expletive. Eno I would say is 100% more important to music history than Dre is, but I don't think either would go under performer. Dre is acclaimed for his production he'd be a fine fit under AME. Can't really evaluate which is more likely tho there's a lot of factors at play

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 19:20pm

Saw this right at 8 am and was pretty in shock by this induction class, waited until now due to work to type.

For the most non-rock inductee class ever, this is... honestly pretty decent? Like I'm happy with most inductions here. I got 2/3rds of my main hopes for an induction class this year

For individual performer induction thoughts:

Kate Bush - FINALLY. Most exciting and arguably most deserving inductee this year, either her or Willie, and she has directly made rock music even up to prog. And it was very important she got into performer given how The Tour of Life was a revolutionary influence on so many concerts after wards. It's annoying it's being lumped into "she got in because of Stranger Things" but this was one of the most deserving snubs of any eligible artist and I'm insanely happy she got in because I could write a novel right now on the influence and impact she had. Now we can clear the way for Bjork, hopefully next year.

Sheryl Crow - Ultimately a fine pick, just a fine, vanilla one. She has done rock so it's not out of the ordinary, and Mat R made a good point in an earlier thread that far that there isn't really much for adult alternative yet and she fills that hole, but it also feels like she's just an industry darling in America and got in more for that then anything

Missy Elliott - Ehhh, heads might role but I think this is the worst FYI choice yet. I think there were far earlier black, female rappers/r&b artists that have had to wait for a decade+ despite having greater success, critical success, or doing what she did earlier. It feels very forced and I don't like FYI to have no real connections to rock or influence to rock, and really haven't gotten an answer why she should be in here and so early. But I guess she's very important? Even so she should still have waited at least a few years, still don't see how she gets over White Stripes and that shows the thought process of the hall voters she gets in first.

George Michael - It was going to happen, he isn't rock or influenced rock in the slightest but there's very occasionally an artist so massive selling they will be brought in regardless, Michael is one of them and you accept that.

Willie Nelson - Decades overdue for his influence on rock, everyone knew he was going to top the poll. Not much else.

Rage - Another FINALLY, I thought these guys were never making it due to fatigue. They clear the one band hope that I had and are the culmination in my opinion why all the early rap groups are inducted. This is the most significant induction this year because it shows that heavy rock can very much get in the hall, even if it takes 5 tries, and that they shouldn't give up on metal acts or heavy grunge or anything else like they did Judas Preist. It was important they got in main category due to all they did and innovated and would have been a joke if they had to be sidedoored. Now we can clear for Soundgarden and other 90s acts that might not be that far behind now.

Spinners - YOOOO the biggest surprise of the nomination. I thought they had zero chance but it appears that the older voters considered their seniority and got them in before they had too many nominations to have a shot. Very happy to see them climb the final hurdle, they were one of the final missing links of their era and I think 15 years past when they should have gotten in.

Overall, 4/7 I'm very happy on, 1/7 I'm very neutral on, 2/7 I'm not a fan of seeing in over others. Pretty good for a class that has rap rock as the purest rock on the list. Now hopefully they don't stray too far beyond their rock origins, or the hall itself faces insignificance chasing an audience that doesn't care.

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 19:21pm

Consequence updated the list https://consequence.net/2023/05/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-snubs/

Also will m

Dre will get in as a performer. The Chronic and 2001 are too big and too celebrated

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 19:41pm

I do not know the case for Dr.dre, but Carole king waited for 20 years to be inducted as she is from duo and has iconic solo album, which is similar to dre. I think the case for Dre depends on which rap artist the nomination committee wants in first, it is hard to know.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 20:11pm

Also, we have no successor to Jeff Lynne this year. Mark Knopfner, Brian Eno (and to some degree Bryan Ferry), Marc Bolan, Trent Reznor, Dave Grohl, and Annie Lennox. It stops there as nobody from either Rage or The Spinners is a "Big name member in a less-of-a-name band.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 20:41pm

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame announces 2023 inductees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI4FaL6W4dc

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2023 Inductees Analysis With Jason Hanley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cfyXDVX6YI

WINNERS & LOSERS: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023 Inductees!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTKgTEG3hic

Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame 2023 Inductees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRn7GfJfTCU

John Sykes Announces 2023 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees | Elvis Duran Exclusive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMHTf9KMQrY

Dave Reacts To Warren Zevon's Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Snub | Letterman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVLBY6P0oj0

The Rock &Roll Hall of Fame Chooses Diversity Over Rock & Roll! 2023's List o Inductees!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZGpPw2WMg

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 20:44pm

FOR 2024
The Sugarhill Gang
Dio
Herman's Hermits
Joe Cocker
Dave Matthews Band
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Motorhead
Slayer
Diana Ross
New Kids on the Block
Coolio
Chic
Chubby Checker
Warren Zevon
The Marvelettes

Posted by Roscoe on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 02:02am

K-Dawg.

Hey there was some sort of criticism of Eric Clapton. E Clapton is my hero. I don't think you are part of that. He had to go in 3 times cause of Yardbirds, Cream and his solo. I think you know E Clapton's solo career was enormously popular. Yu have been a witness to the Hall since you are a child. I own almost every Eric Clapton. I dont know any Dr Dre but I do know Eric Clapton. I witnessed his solo career. I will never say Eric Clapton's solo career is less popular than his old groups. Yu are not part of that. I think yu are pro Eric Clapton.

But that's NOT why I'm here for this post. I AGREE with yu on Brian Eno. The Hall has gone totaly overboard with Rap. It stalls the big backlog, Brian Eno is part of that. He was somewhat part of the Roxy Music thing but needs a Musical Excellence induction. I am NOT a huge fan of Electronic music but ENO is something beyond that with ambient music. Brian Eno needs the Musical Excellence. He is quite important in music history. At the same time as his solo work, Eno collaborated frequently with other musicians in the 1970s, including Robert Fripp, , Harold Budd, David Bowie, David Byrne He also established himself as a sought-after producer, working on albums by John Cale, Jon Hassell, Talking Heads, Ultravox, and Devo, as well as some compilations. Thumbs up

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 03:04am

I do not know when Dr.Dre will be nominated. I think he will be FYN for sure. It seems that the nomination will nominate at most 2 hip-hop artists, we have Outkast, Nas, A Tribe Called Quest, Eric B & Rakim, Salt N Pepa, Dr.Dre and so forth to be nominated and inducted in future. The snubs of hip-hop are so long and we do not know the hall will nominate who first. Talking about the next year, I think Questlove will insist on nominating ATCQ, and the other will be Mary J Blige, who has relation to rap and is supported by Alan Light in nomination committee.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 04:11am

I tend to choose Outkast to be the next hip-hop artist nominated after A Tribe Called Quest and Mary J Blige. The southern hip-hop is not well represented in the hall and Outkast has a diamond selling album, which is not common in hip-hop music.

I do not know the case of the snubs in this year except for Iron Maiden. The potential return on the ballot of the next year depends on the voting performance in this year. I think Soundgarden may be rotated with Jane's Addiction or Dave Matthews Band, the White Stripes may be rotated with Beck, Joy Division/New Order may be rotated with the Smiths, just to name three.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 04:22am

Ok. I admit I am one of the most traditional rock fans here But I have to say this is a Very good class. I didn't take the time for this analysis due being busy with my wife. I am happy with most inductions here.

This is a more Non Rock class but it is a Rather decent one. I got 4/7 predictions correct. I missed on a few.

Here are my thought on the Performer inductions

Kate Bush - FINALLY. A very exciting and rather deserving inductee this year, she is up there with Willie and she has directly made rock music more towards prog. And it was very important she got into performer given how The Tour of Life was a revolutionary influence on so many concerts after wards. It's annoying it's being lumped into the Stranger Things "situation but this was one of the most deserving snubs of any eligible artist and I'm pleased she got in because I could write a longer analysis But Stop here

Sheryl Crow - Ultimately a fine pick, just a fine, Rock one. She has done rock so it's not out of the ordinary, and Mat R made a good point in an earlier thread awhile back that there isn't really much for adult alternative yet and she fills that hole, but it also feels like she's just an industry darling in America and got in more for that Mainly

Missy Elliott - Huh? There may be massive debate but I think this is the worst FYI choice yet too. I think there were far earlier black, female rappers/r&b artists that have had to wait for a decade+ despite having greater success, critical success, or doing what she did previously It feels very forced and its a bit deep on the Rap. It goes beyond the basic Rap acts.

George Michael - It was going to happen, he isn't rock or an influence on Rock at all but there's very occasionally an artist so massive selling they will be brought in regardless, He is a Pop icon. And Pop is just fine to me in the Hall. Pop is just fine in the Hall.

Willie Nelson - Decades overdue for his influence on rock, everyone knew he was going to top the poll. Nothing more to add really. He is a legend for decades

Rage Against the Machine- Another long wait and FINALLY, I thought these guys were never making it due to so many tries. They clear the one band in Alternative that was rather revolutionary. This is the most significant induction this year because it shows that heavy rock can very much get in the hall, even if it takes 5 tries, and that they shouldn't give up on metal acts or heavy grunge like they did Judas Priest. . It was important they got in main category due to all they did and innovated. I'm glad they are NOT side doored. Now we can look to Soundgarden and other 90s acts that might Very SOON.

the Spinners - Heyyy man the biggest surprise of the class. I thought they had zero chance but it appears that the older voters considered their seniority and got them in before they had too many nominations to have a shot. Very happy to see them do the final struggle, they were one of the final missing links of their era and I think 15 years overdue. This is a victory for OLD R&b.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 04:39am

I hope Steven Van Zandt is healthy and can stay longer in the committee and we may see Procol Harum, Stepenwolf and other rock snubs in 50-60's in side category.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 04:43am

I think the nomination made experiments on big or small nomination class. The small nomination class seems to work well. I think in the next year there will still be a small nomination class with 7 are inducted in main category. Here is my first early prediction. It is sure to be wrong.

Nominees:

Return on the ballot:

Dionne Warwick (3rd nomination, nominated in 2021, 2022)
Iron Maiden (3rd nomination, nominated in 2021, 2023)
A Tribe Called Quest (3rd nomination, nominated in 2022, 2023)
Jane's Addicton (2nd nomination, nominated in 2017)
Mary J Blige (2nd nomination, nominated in 2021)
Joy Division/New Order (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
the White Stripes (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
Cyndi Lauper (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)

First on the ballot:

Alanis Morissette
Bjork
Phil Collins
Emmylou Harris
Kool and the Gang
Television (Similar with MC5 and New York Dolls, big influence with short and somewhat underground career, the passing of Tom Verlaine recently may raise the attention of people on this band)


I have thought War, the Meters and Kool & the Gang in choice of RnB/soul/funk group. I choose Kool and the Gang in the end with the current interview of Kool and the Gang about rock hall plus they have 12 top ten hits in billboard chart, which is more than War and the Meters. I think the hall will nominate this group with the most commercial success for voters of baby boomers. War are also suitable. The Meters are likely in side category in the future.


With Link Wray in this year, I expect Dick Dale inducted in musical influence in the future.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 06:48am

This version is sure to be wrong and I would like to modify it in the future.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 07:01am

Power,

Out of your early predictions for the 2024 nominees (Bjork, Mary J. Blige, Phil Collins, Emmylou Harris, Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, Joy Division/New Order, Kool & The Gang, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Television, A Tribe Called Quest, Dionne Warwick and The White Stripes). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 07:16am

Richie, it is hard to say and it will be another competitive class.
I predict the White Stripes, Cyndi Lauper, Dionne Warwick, Phil Collins, Kool & The Gang, Joy Division / New Order, Mary J. Blige in main door (the order is the potential voting result from my perspective).
Iron Maiden in ME.

It will be at least 7 performer inductees in the future based on the data from 2022 and 2023.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 07:33am

What are your early predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 09:50am

I can not wait to see the ceremony in November. Half year is too long. I want to see Kate Bush!

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 10:45am

Yes, I think the voting result of top 7 is Willie, George, Missy, Crow, RATM, Spinners and Kate Bush. It is the order from LL COOL J's announcement of inductees and it makes sense as the biggest two names are first spoken.

Posted by driving_force on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 10:48am

Update for Richie

Back for #6: The J. Geils Band

Back for #5: The Meters

Back for #3: Soundgarden, Iron Maiden

Back for #2: White Stripes, Warren Zevon, Cyndi Lauper, Jane's Addiction, Joy Division/New Order, Mary J. Blige

Debuts: Bjork, BTO, Snoop Dogg, Ice T, Melissa Etheridge, Grace Jones

This was a big backlog year so I expect some new faces and faces we haven't seen for a while. At the same time I think there were a lot of strong contenders this year who will return and I think the Spinners over Cyndi this year will reopen the Hall to 60s and 70s and oldies types like The J. Geils Band and The Meters plus the losses of Tim and Robbie Bachman I think will tip the scales for BTO. Weak year for newbies other than 50 and Lil Wayne and I don't think they'll rush 2023 hangover newbies yet.

Bjork makes sense after Kate Bush, Melissa Etheridge after Sheryl Crow, Snoop Dogg after Missy Elliott (assuming he does Willie's induction), I think we get a break from Tribe in favour of Ice T

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 10:51am

In 2023, 3 of top 5 in ballot tracker are inducted, better than 2022 (1/5).

We can see what will happen in 2024. However, I think the data of ballot track is irrelevant with the actual voting result. Fan vote also does not provide useful hints except most top 1 is inducted.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 11:07am

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2024 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
BASED ON ELIGIBLE ARTISTS WHO HAVE OVER 4000 VOTES ON
FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS

01. Devo
02. Jethro Tull
03. King Crimson
04. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
05. The Monkees
06. Iron Maiden
07. "Weird Al" Yankovic
08. Smashing Pumpkins
09. Dave Matthews Band
10. Alice In Chains
11. Soundgarden
12. The Smiths
13. Blink-182
14. Mariah Carey
15. Britney Spears
16. Backstreet Boys
17. Destiny's Child
18. Nickelback

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 11:11am

Mat R,

Out of your updated predictions for the 2024 nominees (Bachman-Turner Overdrive, Bjork, Mary J. Blige, Snoop Dogg, Melissa Etheridge, Grace Jones, Ice-T, Iron Maiden, The J. Geils Band, Jane's Addiction, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, The Meters, Soundgarden, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 11:16am

Cringeworthy from 13-18 on that list Roy posted. It may come true and very dreadful

Posted by jay kay on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 11:49am

jay kay,

What are your early predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 11:53am

100 biggest snubs after 2023 (may have some omits):

1. John Coltrane
2. Brian Eno
3. Outkast
4. Joy Division / New Order
5. Iron Maiden
6. Sonic Youth
7. Motorhead
8. The Smiths
9. King Crimson
10. Gram Parsons
11. New York Dolls
12. Pixies
13. Mariah Carey
14. Oasis
15. Soundgarden
16. Eric B. & Rakim
17. The Smashing Pumpkins
18. Bjork
19. the White Stripes
20. the Meters
21. MC5
22. Devo
23. Warren Zevon
24. A Tribe Called Quest
25. Thin Lizzy
26. Jethro Tull
27. the Replacements
28. Dick Dale
29. Salt-N-Pepa
30. Diana Ross
31. Big Star
32. Fiona Apple
33. Wu-Tang Clan
34. Dr. Dre
33. the B-52's
36. Dionne Warwick
37. Beck
38. Procol Harum
39. Jane's Addiction
40. Roberta Flack
41. Joe Tex
42. The Marvelettes
43. De La Soul
44. Bad Brains
45. Nick Drake
46. Alice in Chains
47. the Monkees
48. Chuck Willis
49. Nas
50. Kool and the Gang
51. Sparks
52. Pavement
53. Salt N Pepa
54. Mary J Blige
55. War
56. Toots and the Maytals
57. Dave Matthews Band
58. Cher
59. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
60. Snoop Dog
61. Mary Wells
62. The Shangri-Las
63. Afrika Bambaataa
64. Cyndi Lauper
65. Alanis Morissette
66. Buzzcocks
67. Fela Kuti
68. Daft Punk
69. John Prine
70. Dio
71. Captain Beefheart
72. TLC
73. Melissa Etheridge
74. Blur
75. PJ Harvey
76. Slayer
77. Weird Al" Yankovic
78. Gloria Estefan
79. Tori Amos
80. Coldplay
81. Phil Collins
82. Esther Phillips
83. the Chantels
83. Patti LaBelle
84. Blue Oyster Cult
85. Sting
86. the Guess Who
87. Megadeth
88. Steppenwolf
89. D'Angelo
90. Ashford & Simpson
91. Bad Company
92. Boston
93. Emmylou harris
94. Loretta Lynn
95. the Carpenters
96. the Jam
97. Britney Spears
98. the Roots
99. Cocteau Twins
100. My Bloody Valentine

Posted by chasingwildcat on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 12:29pm

Over the past few years all I have heard is that the rock hall is finished with the 50's and 60" and just about done with the 70"s. If this is so how come I have come up with a list of over 100 artists that have been overlooked by the hall. I am sure there are even more that I have overlooked. How about
Paul Revere & The Raiders Patsy Cline Herbie Hancock Monkees John Coltrane Chubby Checker
Tommy James & The Shondells Glen Campbell Judy Collins Loretta Lynn Marianne Faithfull
Johnny Rivers Cher Guess Who Sweet Thin Lizzy Tom Jones Nilsson Jethro Tull UFO
Emerson, Lake & Palmer Sonny & Cher Mott the Hoople Three Dog Night Rick Springfield War
Diana Ross J Geils Band Supertramp REO Speedwagon Peter Frampton Loggins & Messina
Scorpions Bette Midler Pete Townshend MC5 Bad Company Robert Palmer Riunaways Chic
Eric Carmen/Raspberries Boston Commodores Waren Zevon Little Feet Pointer Sisters Styx
Grace Jones, Peter Tosh Motorhead Procol Harum Gram Parsons Blood, Sweat & Tears B-52's
Carpenters Joe Cocker King Crimson The Meters Roberta Flack Olivia Newton-John Iggy Pop
Midnight Oil Human League Adam Ant Emmylou Harris Roseanne Cash The Neville Brothers
Kool & The Gang Badfinger Fela Kuti Steve Winwood Blue Oyster Cult Sparks Suzi Quatro
Ashford And Simpson Rufus with Chaka Kahn (not solo) Luther Vandross Cliff Richard Jan & Dean
Connie Francis The Marvelettes Mary Wells Toots & The Maytals Patti Labelle Barry White
Wailers (why didn't they go in with Bob Marley) Dick Dale Dionne Warwick The Shangri-la's
Jim Croce Tim Buckley Brian Eno Bachman-Turner Overdrive Devo Foreigner Rick James
New York Dolls Joy Dividsion/New Order Joe Jackson

What's Wrong With All Of These Guys?

Posted by falcon on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 12:35pm

Coldplay, The Smiths, Sade, Alanis Morrisette, Sting, Motorhead, Soundgarden, A Tribe Called Quest, Weezer, Mary J Blidge, B52s, Kenny Rogers, MC5, Chic, Procol Harum, Daft Punk

16 acts about 4 black artist acts, 2 80s post punk punk/new wave acts, 1 metal act, 4 female led acts, 2 60s act, 1 country act, 1 gay/lesbian act, 1 huge act from the 2000s, 7 foreign acts, 1 production act, 1 huge 80s male solo artist, 2 90s rock group. Subject to change

Did I fill out the quota list corect? I will probably think of more female artists to substitute some of the slots

Posted by jay k on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 12:38pm

Soundgarden
Dio
Herman's Hermits
Joe Cocker
Dave Matthews Band
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Motorhead
Anthrax
Diana Ross
New Kids on the Block
Coolio
Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Chubby Checker
Warren Zevon
Chic

Posted by Roscoe on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 13:57pm

The final voting result:
1 WN
2 GM
3 ME
4 SC
5 RATM
6 Spinners
7 KB
8 CP
9 WZ
10 SG
11 JD/NO
12 ATCQ
13 WS
14 Maiden

Posted by BoyGenius on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 15:06pm

Falcon,

Except for the Runaways, nothing is wrong with your list. Or Chasingwildcat's list, or Roy's, or Mat's. Problem is, we are now up to around 400 artists to add, and that is without getting into the 80's and 90's . I guess it becomes a case of just how big is the Hall? At some point is it just anybody who was pretty successful or somewhat critically acclaimed or ever cited by anyone as an influence? I genuinely don't know, because (except for the Runaways) I can make a good case for almost everyone on your list. And I am sure the Runaways have their advocates as well. I mean we could add Nick Cave, Graham Parker, the Riot Grrl movement, hard-core punk, alt country, Outlaw country...

Well, you get the picture. And again, I am not disagreeing, just that the Hall is getting to a Hall of pretty good, not great. As I suppose all such institutions inevitably must.

Posted by souljah on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 15:14pm

anyone else think mary wells is a prime MI candidate? cause she was one of the first motown stars, literaly the first woman at motown to go top 40, thats pretty huge. she was nominated once and never again, as an inductee through musical influence would be perfect for her.

Posted by will m on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 15:49pm

Yes, we can use mi and me to clean up the long list of snubs of 50-60's worthy artists, although the process will be a little slow as only about 2 will be inducted each year.

Link Wray is a very good choice for MI. Other than Mary Wells, there are still a ton of artists needed to be recognized. So it is hard to predict the mi category.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 15:56pm

Power, RG, Mat R, souljah, Guest, Plebeian, etc.

About the 2023 Inductees, BoyGenius wrote:

The final voting result:
1 WN
2 GM
3 ME
4 SC
5 RATM
6 Spinners
7 KB
8 CP
9 WZ
10 SG
11 JD/NO
12 ATCQ
13 WS
14 Maiden

Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 15:06pm

That's the final voting results for this year's inductions.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 16:06pm

Will M,

Mary wells also wrote Bye Bye Baby, a real rarity in that Berry let her record her own song (and that he didn't demand a co-writer credit). Also the first Billboard Pop #1 for Motown, "Please Mr. Postman'" was on Tamla. I see her as borderline, but she has credentials, and has been nominated a few times anyway. Certainly a possibility.

Posted by souljah on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 16:12pm

Richie, he is totally wrong about the 2023 inductees, why do you still believe in him? I can not understand

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 16:33pm

Way too early 2024 nomination predictions before I lose interest - I'm going to stick with 14 since I think the 6/7 out of 14 is going to work well for them to get in everyone they want overtime, but they might reasonably do 17.

New artists:

Bjork - Replacing Kate Bush. The obvious next in that art pop lineage and they wanted Bush in before Bjork, who should have an easier time due to being more known in America.

Queen Latifah - Replacing Missy Elliott. She just got in the Recording Registry which is usually a huge indicator of Rock Hall chances, and riding high on Elliott getting in first crack they will extend the same to the earlier female rap pioneer hoping she does too.

Outkast - Replacing ATCQ, continuing the trend of 2 nominated rap artists. I think they are going to have these two rotate until they both get in given ATCQ failing twice (though it was really hard for them given Missy + Eminem back to back). Lots of people clamoring for Outkast to get their shot and they've waited too long.

Oasis - Replacing RATM. This is the hardest one to predict because RATM itself are so unique and there's not so many 90s alternative bands that they aren't pushing before Soundgarden gets in. Could be Smashing Pumpkins if Billy hatred doesn't ruin that, could be No Doubt. But I think Oasis, with the hall's new head having connections, will allow this contentiously in the news band their shot.

Coldplay - Replacing White Stripes. Coldplay was left out of a FYN this year because either two other FYN existed or they wanted them to be in step with Radiohead. Next year is theirs.

Mariah Carey - Replacing George Michael. This is the era of inducting pop stars, and like George she's far too big of an artist to ignore. Very obvious.

Boston - Replacing Willie Nelson. Here's the fun one, there's not an obvious legacy country star to continue the trend that matches with Dollie or Willie, so that slot will have to go elsewhere. And boomers have been complaining about this one for YEARS, so with all the pushback against not nominating rock why not give the buttrock crowd a bone?

Kool & The Gang - Replacing The Spinners. Been some complaining K&TG hasn't been nominated, and with Spinners showing R&B/Soul can still get in the hall the main path there's a decent chance they can get in.

Returning Artists:

Soundgarden - They are the clear next alternative band after Rage to get in and others can't before they do. You can't get AIC or STP or really any others in until these guys are, and there should be a clearer path the next few years to make it

Joy Division/New Order - Way too important to be ignored, and follows the trend of Cure and Depeche Mode where it takes a few nominations. They will be skipping B-52s and INXS and any synth-based band before New Order gets in because they are that important.

Cyndi Lauper - The shock snub of the year, she will be back and will likely make it next year pending another 80s MTV star taking her slot. Too much industry support to not reach there

Warren Zevon - Another surprising snub, and admittedly one of the late stragglers of classic rock to reach the hall gates. Rock Hall chair said he "performed well" so he'll 100% be back next year and will be nominated until he's in.

Motorhead - Replacing Iron Maiden. It was back and forth between Maiden and Priest, now it'll be between Maiden and Motorhead.

The Marvelettes - Replacing Sheryl Crow. The Spinners pushing through after 4 nominations might give the hall a serious glance at given The Marvelettes another shot where they could get in at 3.

Posted by Guest on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 16:36pm

Richie,

Well, assuming that is the order of finish, then pretty clearly Cyndi will be on the ballot next time, and IM, ATCQ and White Stripes will probably be dropped. I would guess JD/NO will be on again, and Warren is a toss-up. He might get the John Prine treatment. Soundgarden is an odd one. They might leave them off a year or two to let the case get built up for them.

Interesting.

Posted by souljah on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 16:44pm

Power,

He just posted the final voting results and Willie Nelson was #1, George Michael #2, Missy Elliott #3, Sheryl Crow #4, Rage Against The Machine #5, The Spinners #6 and Kate Bush #7. with Cyndi Lauper #8, Warren Zevon #9, Soundgarden #10, Joy Division/New Order #11, A Tribe Called Quest #12, The White Stripes #13 and Iron Maiden #14 in the official voting this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 16:47pm

I will have super early predictions for 2024 some point later tonight. A lot to unpack

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 16:50pm

You do nodt answer my question exactly. He is wrong on 2023 class which can prove his is unreal. Why do you still trust him? I do not understand your logic. He only has 5/8 and he is just guessing as well. He said Cyndi is #2, why she is snubbed in the end? If he is real, can you give me the reason?

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 16:54pm

Richie, you do not answer my question exactly. He is wrong on 2023 class which can prove his is unreal. Why do you still trust him? I do not understand your logic. He only has 5/8 and he is just guessing as well. He said Cyndi is #2, why she is snubbed in the end? If he is real, can you give me the reason?

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 16:55pm

Power,

but he said that Cyndi finished 8th in the official voting in the end this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 16:57pm

What I mean is he said Cyndi is no.two and lock before the announcement but she performs eighth in the end. He said Zevon is lock but Zevon fail. He said George was losing momentum but he says George is no.2 now. What he said about voting does not right

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:02pm

Power,

Warren Zevon finished ninth in the official voting in the end this year as well.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:05pm

I do not know what to say

You can search for the history in 2023 nominee page

He said the class is GM, ATCQ, WZ, Spinners, WN, ME, SC, CL

He said Zevon was inducted before announcement

Is Zevon inducted now?

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:09pm

Power,

Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest and Warren Zevon were rumored to be the class before he got the final voting results a couple of days ago (Willie finished #1, George #2, Missy #3, Sheryl #4, RATM #5, The Spinners #6, Kate #7, Cyndi #8, Zevon #9, Soundgarden #10, JD/NO #11, ATCQ #12, White Stripes #13 and Iron Maiden #14 in the official voting in the end this year).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:17pm

Just let Ritchie be fooled again by that Boygenius or Brucegotham person. Ritchie is being like Dwight from the Office while boygenius is acting like Jim Halpert who keeps getting him trolled over and over again

Posted by jay k on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:18pm

About the 2023 Nominees, BoyGenius wrote:

The class is going to be Willie Nelson, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon, Missy Elliott, Sheryl Crow, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest and George Michael, a large class.

Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:04pm

But the actual class is far different from what he said.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:21pm

Ok Richie, here you go. Early prediction for nominees in 2024:
The B-52's
Mariah Carey
Tracy Chapman
Cher
Coldplay
Daft Punk
Lauryn Hill
Iron Maiden
Janes Addiction
Kool & The Gang
Lenny Kravitz
John Mayer
Alanis Morissette
OutKast
Smashing Pumpkins
The White Stripes

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:25pm

Yes, I ignored Lenny Kravitz before. He is a serious contender for nomination.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:28pm

If he knows the result of voting, he should have predicted the result of 2023 class precisely

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:30pm

For Richie, here's my predictions of nominees for RRHOF 2024.

Returning Nominees:
Beck
Mary J. Blige
Joy Division/New Order
Motorhead
A Tribe Called Quest

New Nominees:
Coldplay
Melissa Etheridge
Emmylou Harris
Kool & The Gang
Lenny Kravitz
Queen Latifah
Queens of the Stone Age
Diana Ross
Sonic Youth

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:36pm

Power,

BoyGenius (aka brucewayneofgotham) is an official real Rock Hall voter and he has seen the voting results for the past 10+ years now. So the final voting results this year is real because LL Cool J announced the 2023 Performer inductees in the following order: Willie Nelson, George Michael, Missy Elliott, Sheryl Crow, Rage Against The Machine, The Spinners and Kate Bush (they all came in #1-#7 in the official voting this year in that order (Willie #1, George #2, Missy #3, Sheryl #4, Rage #5, The Spinners #6 and Kate Bush #7) with Cyndi Lauper finishing in eighth, Warren Zevon in ninth, Soundgarden in tenth, Joy Division/New Order in eleventh, A Tribe Called Quest in twelve, The White Stripes in thirteenth and Iron Maiden dead last in fourteen in the official voting this year).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:39pm

Just some off the cuff 2024 nomination predictions, not serious

New:
Phil Collin's
Kool and the Gang
OutKast
Free/Bad Co
B52s
Jethro Tull
Björk
Daft Punk

Returning:
JDNO
Zevon
Marvelettes
Tribe
Soundgarden
Motörhead
Jane's Addiction

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:41pm

Just some off the cuff 2024 nomination predictions, not serious

New:
Phil Collin's
Kool and the Gang
OutKast
Free/Bad Co
B52s
Jethro Tull
Björk
Daft Punk

Returning:
JDNO
Zevon
Marvelettes
Tribe
Soundgarden
Motörhead
Jane's Addiction

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:41pm

Just some off the cuff 2024 nomination predictions, not serious

New:
Phil Collin's
Kool and the Gang
OutKast
Free/Bad Co
B52s
Jethro Tull
Björk
Daft Punk

Returning:
JDNO
Zevon
Marvelettes
Tribe
Soundgarden
Motörhead
Jane's Addiction

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:41pm

He is just guessing and does not have real insider information

So he gave the wrong induction class

If he really knows insider information, he should give the right class in that answer in 4.30

Do I say clearly enough to make you understand?

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:41pm

Jordan Einstein,

Out of your early predictions for the 2024 nominees (Beck, Mary J. Blige, Coldplay, Melissa Etheridge, Emmylou Harris, Joy Division/New Order, Kool & The Gang, Lenny Kravitz, Queen Latifah, Motorhead, Queens Of The Stone Age, Diana Ross, Sonic Youth and A Tribe Called Quest). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:46pm

That fool said it was going to be 8 inductees and then got 3 out of the 8 wrong. He then adjusted the voting chart after the class has already been announced to make it seem like he wasnt really off

Posted by settler on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:48pm

I just make up the ranking result to test Richie.

I use the username of "BoyGenius" to post the totally wrong information but he still believes, which is very surprising.

Sorry for bothering other users with wrong information.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 17:50pm

After Kooper, I think Paul Rodgers will be inducted as ME as well to cover both Free and Bad Company

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:15pm

Richie,

Performers:
Beck
Coldplay
Emmylou Harris
Joy Division/New Order
Queen Latifah
Diana Ross
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:16pm

Power,

I definitely agree with you on Paul Rodgers, I'll also add Ronnie James Dio.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:17pm

power,

a paul rodgers solo ame would be awful. i love the guy and his voice, but its the same case as nile rodgers vs chic, just so unfair and honestly wrong. pauls solo matierial, i like the stuff but i dont think anyone would seriously call rock hall worthy. id much prefer a joint free bad co induction or AME,

speaking of AME, did you guys see the sykes interview? where he openly says AME is a consulation prize from the nom com, this is huge, and im actually glad about it because he admitted it, lots of possibilities now. "after all, its the same size plaque"

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:21pm

Interesting thing to consider from this year's inductees:

For those who don't get in immediately, seniority in specifically number of years on the ballots might strongly be considered by hall voters when making a pick. In that to prevent the artist after 5 nominations heading into ME consolation prize territory and giving heat that it's the last chance to get them in

Note that every singly entry this year who had more then 2 nominations got in and wiped clean the backlog

Posted by Guest on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:22pm

j einstein,

oh god another one that would be awful. but slightly more understandable. like, inducting ronnie with none of the instrumentalists would be akin to putting carlos santana in without gregg rolliee or micheal carabello. of course it goes without saying, i absolutely love dio. its also something id see them doing way more than just rodgers on his own

Posted by will m on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:23pm

Will M,

Why though, both Bad Company & Free don't deserve any recognition from the Hall due to the fact they're nowhere near as important like the ones who were on the ballot this year. I can't think many modern artists who were influenced by either of their music.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:24pm

As for RJD, the reason is because he couldn't be inducted with Black Sabbath, his other band Rainbow aren't even a mention to the Hall & the committee themselves (plus Ritchie Blackmore got in with Deep Purple) & he made his own band so that'll be a sensible pick for the category.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:29pm

Although I love the music of Free, I think both bands are like b-tier artists in hard rock genre and seem to be marginal

I doubt if they will be nominated

But Rodgers is a recognized rock icon and has bigger influence and even collaborates with Queen in 00s

It is also sad to induct only Kooper not Blood Sweet and Tears

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:29pm

j einstein,

maybe fair point. mott the hoople and king crimson, where mick ralphs and boz burrel come from, are certainly far more important and id prefer a crimson induction by a nautical mile. but i also just really like free and bad co. all right now + Shooting star are 2 of my favorite songs ever, paul and simon kirke are fantastic at what they do, not to mention andy fraser and paul kossof, who didnt carry over into bad co but are also incredible. and belive me, free/bad co arent in my top 10 most wanted, but theyre very very good and i would like to see them in, hell im sure i could stretch an arguement as to why theyre important enough if i thought about it long enough to make a cohesive arguement

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:31pm

power,

i dont listen to much BST, but with kooper i feel like hes different. he began as a session guy, and would remain a session guy. BST is just one part of his story, where he didnt even last one album with that group who had lots more success without him. he doesnt define BST and they dont define him, unlike nile, where chic defines him and he defines chic, or rodgers where his bands define him.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:34pm

i can understand rainbow not being on anyones radar (tho i certainly wouldnt mind). but Dio should be inducted with his band, vinny apiece wasnt put in with sabbath either and if rainbow wont go in then neither will the sublime bassist jimmy bain. (of course, vivian campbell was rightly inducted with def leppard but he could go for a double induction, maybe the first metal one too)

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:39pm

I am still surprised and I can not believe this dude believe what the result I make up. It is all fake .

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:41pm

I am still surprised and I can not believe this dude believe the result I make up. It is all fake.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:42pm

driving force

gotta admit dude was kinda mean of you to do that to ritchie

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 18:46pm

You should be ashamed of yourself Driving Force! That is a terrible thing to do to Richie. You do realize he has an intellectual disability, right? This only proves you are not a nice person. I found another forum on this site where they are actually civil to one another and will only go there from now on. This page is full of toxic, hateful comments and not does make me feel welcomed.

Posted by Rhiannon JM on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 19:02pm

It is my fault. I feel sorry and I will not appear on this forum again.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 19:18pm

Lenny Kravitz is big, he has connection to the hall and his nomination is reasonable.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 19:24pm

It is not true. Driving Force is lying and my sources are for real. They had a last minute change to induct 7 rather than 8 people. The last 600 votes most pushed Kate Bush and Rage Against the Machine past Cyndi Lauper and Warren Zevon. Please put more faith in me Ritchie and don't let the the doubters dissaude you

Boy Genius

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 19:41pm

Fair points from Rhiannon,

Yknow driving force I would t want to completely drive you away, but you just gotta not be mean. I been trying to tell you for a long while to be kinder to Ritchie yknow. He has autism and this site means a lot to him, yknow.

And to Ritchie, personally I'm never particularly bothered by you, you'd be a missed presence here if you ever stopped commenting

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 19:43pm

Fair points from Rhiannon,

Yknow driving force I would t want to completely drive you away, but you just gotta not be mean. I been trying to tell you for a long while to be kinder to Ritchie yknow. He has autism and this site means a lot to him, yknow.

And to Ritchie, personally I'm never particularly bothered by you, you'd be a missed presence here if you ever stopped commenting

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 19:43pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

Thank You! I have totally have faith in you even more now because your sources are indeed for real, And to all of the doubters out there, Please believe him (BoyGenius/brucewayneofgotham) from now on.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 19:56pm

Me personally I am not going to believe the guessers, that's just my assessment

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 20:17pm

Ok so is this forum just gonna become sock puppets wearing sock puppets? Let's not.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 20:35pm

My early prediction for nominees in 2024:

Cyndi Lauper
Mariah Carey
Melissa Etheridge
Cher
Motorhead
Gordon Lightfoot
Queen Latifah
Thin Lizzy
Warren Zevon
Kool & The Gang
The B-52's
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Alanis Morissette
OutKast
John Prine
The White Stripes

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 20:43pm

This boy genius strikes me as a charlatan who preys on those who will listen.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 23:00pm

Surprised no one else so far is thinking the spinner induction might trigger little Steven or Alan light to push to get j geils band or the meters or war or the Marvelettes on the ballot again. Seems like there might be a spot opening for someone who is falling into more the oldies spot than the classic/legacy lane.

Could also be good for guys like Tom Jones and Richard cliff

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 23:26pm

So this fake person can give wrong information again in the next year and if the result is false, he can say the last votes help aa past bb, he is true again

It is ridiculous and laughable to me

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 23:26pm

My assessment is do not believe any words from boygenius, if he can not give true prediction and just says last votes change the result if the inductees do not correspond his claimed information, what is the value of hearing his wrong and nonsense result.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 23:31pm

mat r
I think one of meters, Marvelettes and war will on the ballot next year. If not them, kool and the gang will take the spot

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 23:41pm

A good meme from Consequence that really sums up what classic rock is. So let's just ignore the jerk who is awful and should feel ashamed for picking on richie and enjoy the 2023 class

https://www.facebook.com/consequence/photos/a.10152452538716648/10160483652261648/

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 05/4/2023 @ 23:42pm

Power,

What are your early predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 00:00am

Return on the ballot:

Dionne Warwick (3rd nomination, nominated in 2021, 2022)
Iron Maiden (3rd nomination, nominated in 2021, 2023)
Jane's Addicton (2nd nomination, nominated in 2017)
Mary J Blige (2nd nomination, nominated in 2021)
Joy Division/New Order (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
Warren Zevon (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
the White Stripes (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
Cyndi Lauper (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)

First on the ballot:

Alanis Morissette
Bjork
Lenny Kravitz
Outkast
Emmylou Harris
Kool and the Gang


Hope you happy everyday

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 00:10am

Power,

Out of your updated predictions for the 2024 nominees (Bjork, Mary J. Blige, Emmylou Harris, Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, Joy Division/New Order, Kool & The Gang, Lenny Kravitz, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, OutKast, Dionne Warwick, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 00:17am

outkast
Lauper
zevon
white stripes
Mary J. Blige
Dionne Warwick
Emmylou Harris


Maiden in ME

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 00:49am

If Kate is not going to perform at the ceremony, who do you think is going to do a tribute performance?

I have a few people in mind:

Withering Heights - Sara Bareilles, Florence Welch, Regina Spektor, Tori Amos (if all are available)

Running Up That Hill - St. Vincent, Meg Myers, Kim Petras, Fiona Apple (if all are available)

This Woman's Work - Maxwell (if he's available)

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 01:01am

Elle Dee,

I think she will show up but not perform.

Your three songs are very suitable choice. The people sing this song are very hard to predict.

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 01:11am

My way too early predictions for 2024

1. Soundgarden - Kicking it off with a bang, I'm going to predict a slightly heavier rocker ballot next year. I know they were nominated, but with even Warren Zevon getting snubbed, it will behoove the committee to put a few harder acts in the weeds

2. Warren Zevon - He had it in the bag, and then something went sideways. Most acts deserved induction, but there's no real shock here. He'll be back

3. Joy Division/New Order - if it's in the Hall's playbook to make highly influential acts wait while cashing in on current trends, so be it. I said years ago Depeche Mode was robbed, and it's the same with JD/NO. They'll almost certainly get in this upcoming cycle

4. Iron Maiden - I think the predictions so far are off base, and that Maiden will definitely be back.

5. Cyndi Lauper - another joke of a snub, and she is all but certain to go in 2024. As mat R said, she's the last real pure pop act that's got a serious chance.

6. Snoop Dogg - I predicted him in years past, and it would make a bit of sense for him to be included. He's got the name and star power, and he would prep the stage for 50 being eligible next year.

7. Coldplay - They will be FYE, and stand a good chance for FYI. Responsible in many ways for turning rock into a more pop genre.

8. Bad Company - Paul Rodgers goes in sooner than later. I continue to think he will go in as a member of the band he had the greatest success with. Honestly, to include Free with them to me is a slap in the face to BC's standalone greatness. While JD/NO lost one member, these two acts are quite different.

9. the B52's - Their farewell tour will be well underway, and they are influential, critical successes and "Love Shack" is a love it or hate it cultural icon of a song.

10. Tori Amos - she might go before or after Bjork, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict she'll get there. If Sheryl Crow can be elected on the strength of reputation over just how many songs she is famous for, Tori is a critical darling. She's also the face of Lilith Fair not named Sarah McLaughlin.

11. Mariah Carey - you really can't transition from the 80s to 90s pop scene without Mariah being the turning point. She is the bridge between Whitney/Janet and Beyonce/TLC.

12. The Meters - I think, with the Spinners finally in, attention will turn to the other oft-bridesmaid of the 50s to 70s soul era.

13. Foreigner - I said there'd be more rock involved, and Foreigner gets a nod over Boston on the strength of albums, longevity and chart success

14. Kenny Rogers - some say country is fully represented. The Gambler has a string of hits on his own, and did duets with some famous people. I think he'll get a long look.

15. Outkast - Andre and Big Boi get chosen over other groups because of both notoriety and chart success. I get the feeling that they may also be a stepping stone for the Black Eyed Peas, who I'm shocked no one has mentioned as a definite future FYE possibility

16. The Fugees - How about Lauryn Hill and Wyclef Jean? I know there's already 2 rap/hip hop nominees I'm predicting, but these guys cross barriers

17. Smashing Pumpkins - Rage is in. There is a glut of rock bands waiting to be inducted from the 90s. The Pumpkins have been snubbed for YEARS

18. The Buzzcocks - I'm going to predict them again. Punk isn't done by a long shot

19. Don McLean - My wildcard pick. He has one memorable song, but it's super iconic.

Additionally, I think the Monkees will get a Musical Influence, and so will War. They're going to whittle down the backlog this way if they're proclaiming the 60s "done", although Willie Nelson and the Spinners both got the nod this year. And what about Ed Sullivan for Ahmet Ertegun? He brought the Beatles over.

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 01:20am

K-Dawg,

I think Outkast and Snoop Dogg will not appear on the same ballot to make the votes split and hurt the chance of each other. I think MJ Blige may appear on the ballot as Alan Light have nominated her in 2022.

I also think either Beck or the White Stripes will appear on the ballot of the next year. They have lots of connections to industry people. I tend to the White Stripes.

I think Buzzcocks are not going to be nominated soon as pre-punk artists New York Dolls and MC5 are not in. I think the hall may give them another chance before make them ME. Also, they are a little too British, their chance is much similar with the chance of the Jam.

Although the Smashing Pumpkins are very worthy, I think they should be FYE in 10s, they may not be nominated as Tom Morello and Dave Grohl seem to prefer Jane's Addiction, but who knows?

It is very hard to predict who is the next country artist to be nominated as there are many names but no one is big as Parton and Nelson in public eyes.

I think there will be 12-15 nominations in the next ballot. The revealed voting rank by the nomination committee shows Zevon, ATCQ and GM tie for 12th, which may means nomination committee wants 12 spots initially.

Generally speaking, I like your list. Thank for all the users sharing their own list.

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 01:37am

Heyy Everyone,

Did a LOT of you notice that Early Influence has been modified to MUSICAL Influence. I think one person did besides me. What are the thoughts on that. This is the effect of expanding it. It has no longer been limited to the 1940s and 50s. I think this extends it to the late 1970s and beyond.

MUSICAL Influence

DJ Kool Herc- I do NOT know him. I just read he began to isolate the "break"—and switch from one break to another. Using the same two-turntable set-up of disco DJs, he used two copies of the same song to make the song longer. I want you guys to tell me more.

Link Wray- I know him he was a guitar genius of the 1950s. Anyone who plays guitar, even those who try , are influenced by "Rumble". He is exactly what that category should be. This is where 1950s artists go Now

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 04:44am

So thrilled to see Kate Bush finally make it in. The most influential female artist of the last 40+ years? I believe she is.
Congratulations to all of this year's inductees, in all categories.
I was pushing for Warren Zevon and Joy Division/New Order; though I'm sad to see them miss out this year, they'll be back (like the Terminator!) JD/NO, even separately, are two of the most influential bands not yet in the Hall.
It's worth noting that Black Sabbath, one of the most influential bands of all time, took EIGHT nominations to get in. Which was ridiculous.

Posted by Darrell Spencer on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 05:28am

Mat R, et al.,

FWIW, the Hall should just bite the bullet and put the Meters in for Musical Excellence. Their session work is far more important than their body of work as performers anyway, and that is what the category is for. Plus it opens up a Performer slot.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 06:55am

Forget to add that "Tell It Like It Is" should be in the Singles category. Get all the Neville brothers in.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 07:24am

If one of Bjork, Amos, Harvey, Apple is guaranteed to be nominated?

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 07:55am

If one of Bjork, Amos, Harvey, Apple is guaranteed to be nominated in the next year?

The nomination committee may just nominate a woman artist in other genres or a British artist after Kate Bush but ignore the women artists in art pop.

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 08:06am

Look back at the inductees, the induction of RATM is reasonable and not surprising.

People who will support for "guitar rock/hard rock" bands have seen RATM on the ballot a ton of times. They think it will be inappropriate and ridiculous to make RATM inducted in ME. Therefore they all vote for RATM and wait for Soundgarden/White Stripes returning on the ballot in the future. These people may make up a large proportion of voting body.

I am afraid that Soundgarden may be nominated 4-5 times to be inducted in, just like RATM.

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 09:14am

Power,

I totally expected both RATM and Soundgarden to cancel each other out as they're both Hard Rock/Heavy Metal acts just like when Judas Priest, Motorhead and Thin Lizzy did back when they were all nominated three years ago for the 2020 class.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 09:50am

Power,

If not one of those three then Pixies or Sonic Youth would seem likely. Tori is probably the least important, but Cornflake Girl and Little earthquakes are pretty iconic, so she might be the one. At that she would be a much better choice than Sheryl Crow.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 09:53am

Power,

Meant four not three....

Posted by souljah on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 09:59am

So I wonder what is the real rank of the voting result in 2023 rock and roll hall of fame?

Posted by chasingwildcat on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 10:38am

Souljah,

yes. I really hope all of Bjork, Tori Amos, PJ Harvey and Fiona Apple will be inducted in the hall before 2035. The women art-pop should be recognized and they are all important artists in 90s.

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 10:42am

chasingwildcat,

The real voting rank for the voting results for the 2023 inductions are:

1. Willie Nelson
2. George Michael
3. Missy Elliott
4. Sheryl Crow
5. Rage Against The Machine
6. The Spinners
7. Kate Bush
8. Cyndi Lauper
9. Warren Zevon
10. Soundgarden
11. Joy Division/New Order
12. A Tribe Called Quest
13. The White Stripes
14. Iron Maiden

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 10:45am

In this year, the sites of inductees are like
https://www.rockhall.com/sheryl-crow-0

or

https://www.rockhall.com/kate-bush-1

Hence, we may try to search

https://www.rockhall.com/aa-bb-0

or

https://www.rockhall.com/aa-bb-1

to know the inductees in advance before the announcement.

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 10:57am

Richie,

Real according to who? We don't know it and your friend isn't guaranteed to be a real voter. It would be stupid to divulge it on a public forum if he were legit. He would probably be disqualified from future voting. Boy genius is as fake as the burner account last year that you followed like a lost puppy.

Let it go.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 10:58am

chasingwildcat:
People have been saying that LL Cool J read the list in order of highest to lowest vote totals.
Sadly, this means that Kate Bush got in by the skin of her teeth.
I am not sure it's such good news for PJ Harvey, Tori, Bjork, Fiona Apple. But, out of these
Fiona Apple stands the best change because the voting body is so American. The voting body
needs many more UK members otherwise PJ, Bjork will have a long wait.
Unless these ladies were as shameless as Sheryl Crow, who will show up at ANY red carpet, and worms her way onto every music event hoping to network, they do not stand a chance.
Yes, I do despise Sheryl Crow, she has no business being in the Hall. There are no young girls who are in music today because Sheryl Crow influenced them unlike Kate, PJ, Bjork, etc.

Posted by YusuflTheExMuslim on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:00am

chasingwildcat:
People have been saying that LL Cool J read the list in order of highest to lowest vote totals.
Sadly, this means that Kate Bush got in by the skin of her teeth.
I am not sure it's such good news for PJ Harvey, Tori, Bjork, Fiona Apple. But, out of these
Fiona Apple stands the best change because the voting body is so American. The voting body
needs many more UK members otherwise PJ, Bjork will have a long wait.
Unless these ladies were as shameless as Sheryl Crow, who will show up at ANY red carpet, and worms her way onto every music event hoping to network, they do not stand a chance.
Yes, I do despise Sheryl Crow, she has no business being in the Hall. There are no young girls who are in music today because Sheryl Crow influenced them unlike Kate, PJ, Bjork, etc.

Posted by YusuflTheExMuslim on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:00am

K-Dawg,

According to TheRealBoyGenius (aka brucewayneofgotham), That is the real voting rank for the 2023 results.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:05am

YusuflTheExMuslim,

as the time goes on, there will be less shoe-in nominees on the ballot in the future because most popular and big names will be inducted earlier. These four may have greater chance in weaker ballots, may be three or four years later.

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:10am

We should remember that the most names of 80-90s in both influence and commercial success are already inducted. The most popular names are getting in easily recently. And we may face a nomination list mostly consisted of names of influence and names which are popular but not extremely popular. Hence, influential artists may have a chance in future.

(Influential artists refer to the artists whose music influence a ton of musicians but do not have the most commercial success)

For example, Bjork will have a better chance being inducted when compete with
Aaliyah/LAURYN HILL than Cyndi Lauper/Mariah Carey/TLC.

Posted by power on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:20am

Other people say why boygenius is unreal.

And richie does not answer the question or points raised by others and just keeps saying boygenius is real.

The next time richie posts thing about him I think I should say the information is real and helpful to make richie happy.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:26am

I have to say Zevon is #8 and Lauper is #9.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:29am

YusuflTheExMuslim

I don't fully agree with your Bjork assessment. Bjork is legit big, bigger than Kate Bush. She's headlined Coachella (just did the mainstage this year as the #2 on the bill), has been very warmly received by the Grammys, Academy Awards, American press, MTV. She's sold well, similar numbers to Beck or The White Stripes. And unlike Tori, she's still very relevant (she does something everyone looks into it because it's interesting and she's an icon).

She probably be too weird for FYN but I'd wager she's as strong a contender as Beck.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:34am

Influential people behind the scene are pushing for the case for Aaliyah, TLC and Spice Girls.

Will not be surprised that one of them will be nominated in the next year and it is almost a sure thing.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:36am

TheRealBoyGenius,

What were the final voting results for the past 10+ years of Rock Hall inductions (2013-2023)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:39am

Rush was in the middle in 2013, Donna Summer and PE were runaway #1 and #2. Rush was #5 , just ahead of Randy Newman, 2013 The Top 2 were all above 95% Heart and Albert King were at about 60%. Rush and Randy Newman were about 35%.

Kiss likewise were in the middle. 2014 the runaways were Nirvana , Linda Ronstadt and Hall & Oates. Gabriel , Cat and Kiss were bunched together in the next grouping. 2014 The Top 3 were all above 90% , the other 3 in about 35-45% range.

Green Day was the only huge runaway in 2015 like 80%. SRV, Lou Reed, Joan Jett about 50%, Withers and The Paul Butterfield Blues Band about 35-40%.

2016 was not a good class. Steve Miller and NWA was about 60%. Deep Purple, Cheap Trick and Chicago about 40-45%.

2Pac and Pearl Jam, were huge runaways in 2017 , Yes, ELO , Joan Baez , and Journey were all meh, but Journey was the leader of that 4-some, but still by no-means a great number. #3 was close to 50%.

In 2018. Bon Jovi was a solid #2 , to #1 Nina Simone. #3 to #5 were again , inducted with horrible numbers. I don't think #3 hit 50% , closer to 40%.

In 2019. Stevie Nicks, Def Leppard and Radiohead were runways, they almost appeared on all ballots. Janet Jackson hit 80%. The Cure, Roxy Music and Zombies were about at most 40%. Rundgren is #8.

In 2020. Notorious B.I.G. and Whitney Houston was about 80%, Doobie Brothers hit 70%, NIN, DM, T.Rex, were about 40%.

In 2021, the top six were separated from others. Rundgren was the lowest with about 50%. Others were almost all beyond 80%.

In 2022, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and PAT B were tied and ATCQ was #8. Bush performed very bad in 2018, 2021 and 2022.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 11:57am

Bush had about extra 20-30 votes to exceed Zevon. Zevon and Lauper were not close.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:01pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

What were the voting totals for each of the acts that didn't make it in the past 10+ years of Rock Hall inductions (2013-2023)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:02pm

TheRealBoyGenius

Way to out yourself as full of shit.

https://twitter.com/futurerocklgnds/status/1522251668053762052

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:06pm

I did not remember of the exact numbers of snubs. I only cared about the fact the snubs were not perform well.

Also, we will not see JD/NO in the next ballot. Someone in the nomination committee guaranteed that they would perform well in 2023 ballot but they did not. They will not on the ballot for 1-2 years to give chance to other artists.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:07pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which acts that didn't get in this year but performed well on the ballot this year do you think will come back next year and get nominated again next year for the 2024 ballot?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:13pm

Mat r,

Spot on, I'd argue Björk is bigger than Beck too. Björk is a way stronger contender than pj or Fiona, and definitely much stronger than Tori

Posted by Will M on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:16pm

Amy Linden just did not give the right order because the rule by the rock hall. If she breaks the rule, she will never be served for the hall again.

The true order is Dolly #1, Richie #2. Eddie Truck said Richie was #2, it was not precise.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:16pm

Warren Zevon and Cyndi Lauper will return definitely.
Others will not return except for the White Stripes?
After a good performance in 2022, ATCQ performed awkwardly in 2023 and Questlove may try for others in 2024.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:19pm

Tori Amos will be the next. Bjork was not in the conversation at the meeting in nomination committee.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:21pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

What are your early predictions for the 2024 nominees and inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:23pm

After the induction ceremony, I will have more information and have more clue.

Making prediction now is too early.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:26pm

lots of derision seem to be about sheryl crow. personally, id say she was in the lower tier of this year and of course, tribe maiden soundgarden zevon, not to mention jethro tull, mc5, brian eno, devo and king crimson are all more worthy. but, what yusuf said "theres no women who make music because of sheryl crow". thats just untrue. just cause sheryl crow is pretty conventional doesnt mean that no one was impacted by her at all. tom petty never really broke new ground, but he was a massively influential person. now, im a massive tom petty fan and i dont care that much for sheryl, so for a counterpoint, tom petty was an incredible songwriter who often fought for the rights of musicans against their labels. thats not really sheryl, tho, she definitly does have fans and impact, hell probably the most important musician right now, pheobe bridgers has covered if it makes you happy many times in her concerts.

Posted by Will M on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:28pm

i been saying, not even worth it to discuss with these self promclaimed leakers. they don t know anything, talking out of their ass to get attention. its so dumb to read any of the things these guys post cause its all just so goddamn wrong,

Posted by will m on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:31pm

YusuflTheExMuslim,

I agree on Sheryl Crow, she is a bit over-rated to my way of thinking, but Bjork is enormously accomplished. I mean between the Sugarcubes and especially her solo career, if she gets nominated I think she has a strong shot. And I hope BoyG is joking about Aaliyah, Spice Girls and TLC. I can easily come up with a couple dozen women performers more qualified. I mean to me the Spice Girls are just north of Bananarama. Maybe I am missing something.....

Posted by souljah on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:37pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2023 next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:37pm

I will know it after the meeting of committee in 2024

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:42pm

just going by common sense here, the partridge family are more likely than the spice girls. thats never gonna actually happen lets be real here, no one should seriously expect or predict that

Posted by Will M on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:52pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

If Soundgarden, Joy Division/New Order, A Tribe Called Quest, The White Stripes and Iron Maiden won't return next year, Which other acts do you think will take their place next year?. Also, Which acts do you think will replace Willie Nelson, George Michael, Missy Elliott, Sheryl Crow, Rage Against The Machine, The Spinners and Kate Bush next year as well?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 12:58pm

Do not ask me repeatively, I have already said I will know in the next year after the meeting. Celion Dion was discussed in last year. Her nomination will come soon after Mariah Carey.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 13:07pm

Richie, did you make this guy up? Is he you under a different name? Celine Dion??????

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 13:17pm

and btw, TLC IS deserving and influential. They will be in the RRHOF in the next few years

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 13:18pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

Thank You! I won't ask you repeatedly about next year, Anyway, Which acts have discussed in the past year or two and will get nominated soon?. Also, Are you brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv ?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 13:28pm

Mariah Carey
Celine Dion
TLC
Aaliyah
Spice Girls
Britney Spears
kc and sunshine band
alanis morissette
gloria estefan
Ashford & Simpson
kool & the gang
Roberta Flack
Diana Ross
Emmylou harris


All almost lock to be fyn

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 13:37pm

Justin Bieber will be a lock and fyin the future.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 13:42pm

I'd say Bjork is on par with Kate in terms of influence and both are far ahead of Tori, PJ, and Fiona. Fiona Apple did put 3 (!) albums on the last Rolling Stone top 500 albums list, so she's definitely got someone out there pulling for her. She might jump the line and get a nom before Tori and PJ.

Spice Girls and Aaliyah are definite long shots, but TLC was the biggest selling girl group in history at one point. Not sure if they still are. I'd actually expect them to get a nom in the next couple years, though they may have to wait for Mary J. to be inducted.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 13:42pm

Alanis Morrisette was considered late last year but eventually they went with Sheryl Crow. There were discussions about shaking up the event by nominating Ted Nugent.....but that was squashed for other reasons. Those are the main ones I recall but there are others that slipped my mind during the discussion

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 13:56pm

I was probably a little cavalier in lumping TLC with the Spice Girls, but I still consider them borderline, and not distinct from say, SWV or En Vogue. Neither of whom seem to be getting much traction. I would put the Fugees ahead of them (of course I would put Lauren Hill and Fugees as a two-fer but that is my OCD kicking in.) But, since I also considered Sheryl Crow as borderline, I guess the Hall wants the pop success. So maybe Spice Girls will get a nod after all. But I agree TLC is several cuts above Aaliyah or SG.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 13:57pm

Celion Dion was heated discussed in the last year

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 13:59pm

Justin Bieber and Ed Sheeran will be lock and FYN without doubt. They are big names.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:04pm

Souljah,

The trinity of 90s breakthrough female hip hop groups are TLC, En Vogue and Salt N Pepa. All three are on good footing for nominations and inductions at some point.

First, we gotta get Mariah Carey, I think, before even Mary J. Blige. Then again, I would've put her in before Missy Elliott as well.

Lauryn Hill is on a different level, as she and Wyclef are both breakout stars from the Fugees. I consider them a very safe bet to get a nom very soon. They seem to be forgotten by some of just how groundbreaking they were and are

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:09pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which acts that were not nominated this year but were nominated in previous years do you think will come back and get nominated again soon?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:12pm

The J. Geils Band
Beck
The Meters
War
Dionne Warwick
Fela Kuti
The Marvelettes
Jane's Addiction
John Prine
The Replacements
The J.B.'s
Eric B. & Rakim
The Dominoes
Mary Wells

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:16pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

You forgot Mary J. Blige as well.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:18pm

Mary J. Blige will not return soon. Alan Light nominated her in 2022 but her did not get much support and performed extremely bad in vote by committee members. She will wait for more years.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:23pm

K-Dawg,

You are probably right about Hill and Wyclef, as I said my OCD likes to get them included, same way I feel about Rufus. And I have been an advocate for Salt-N-Pepa all along. Funny thing about Mary J. Blige. When she did not get in, I asked my son if Missy Elliott was a better choice, and he said that Missy was much more rock than MJB. So I guess he has a better handle than I do as to how the voters will go, as I thought MJB should have gone in. And of course with Janet, George and Whitney in there is no precedent to keep Mariah out.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:27pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

besides Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, TLC, Aaliyah, Spice Girls, Britney Spears, KC & The Sunshine Band, Alanis Morissette, Gloria Estefan, Ashford & Simpson, Kool & the Gang, Roberta Flack, Diana Ross and Emmylou Harris, Which other acts that have never been nominated do you think will get nominated soon?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:33pm

Kravitz
the roots
ice t
de la soul
pointer sisters
Gillian Welch
Shania Twain

do not ask me this again

there are too many snubs

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:44pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

Thank You! I won't ask you again about which acts that have never been nominated that you think will get nominated soon. Anyway, What do you think of the nomination chances soon of 70's Classic Rock acts like Bad Company, Boston, Foreigner and Jethro Tull, 80's New Wave/Alternative/80's MTV acts like Phil Collins, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, Tears For Fears, Huey Lewis & The News, Pet Shop Boys, Bryan Adams and Culture Club, 90's Rock/Alternative/Grunge acts like Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, Oasis, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, No Doubt and Blink-182 and Rap/Hip-Hop acts like OutKast, Wu-Tang Clan, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Queen Latfiah and Salt-N-Pepa?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:55pm

They just talked about Sheryl Crow's induction performance that would possibly feature a duet with Kid Rock on the song Picture.
He also may happen to induct Sheryl and may possibly be considered in the future for the Rock Hall of Fame.
That would depend on how well received he is by the audience

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 14:55pm

Korn will be likely nominated in 2024

Limp Bizkit will be nominated after Korn

I do not want to talk about the long list by you

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:02pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which acts that didn't get in this year (Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Soundgarden, A Tribe Called Quest, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon) do you think will get nominated again either next year or soon?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:05pm

I have already answered this question

Zevon
Lauper
WS

You are so bothering

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:08pm

Anyone shittalking spice girls needs to realize that whether you want to accept it or not they are one kfthe most influential, popular, and celebrated acts of the last 30 years.

They also literally wrote their own stuff

Like Cyndi Lauper was just on a ballot. Spice girls 100% will get in in the next 15 years

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:09pm

Add Iron Maiden

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:10pm

Mat r,

For the record, I never said anything positive about Cyndi lauper either

Posted by Will M on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:13pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to offend you, I promise that I won't ask you the same questions again. Anyway, Are you brucewayneofgotham from Steve Hoffman forums ( https://forums.stevehoffman.tv )?. Also, Which acts did bad/terrible/horrible/horrendously in the official voting in the past 10+ years (2013-2023)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:15pm

TheRealBoyGenius

Dude shut up and go away. You can even spell boygenius

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:16pm

This guy is a clown. At least richie's obsessive questions will threaten to drive off the boygenius. Sadly, that doesn't change richie's penchant to believe people that say they are who they aren't

If I put another nom de guerre here and said I was a HOF voter and put some nonsense up, would richie believe me? No, I never would, but the point I hope has been made.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:29pm

Will M

Fair but like Spice Girls are weirdly misunderstood. Like they actually broke a ton of ground, possibly more than any girl group in history prior, by a mix of being largely in control of what they did, writing those songs, being insanely competitive their male contemporaries (who were not just Backstreet and N'Sync but also Oasis, Blur, Radiohead too) commercially and critically (they were Mercury Prize nominees). Their sound and image more so than maybe anyone around them shaped Cool Britannia (the Union Jack dress is like the icon of that era) and what was gonna happen with teen bubble gum pop. Jesus Girl Power slogan shaped millennial feminism.

They're direct legacy is like Britney Spears, Pink, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Charli XCX, Kim Petras. That's a good legacy and they get the people going by being in the same room.

Plus everyone everywhere can name all 5 members and knows what they're up to today, not many groups have that degree of cultural importance.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:29pm

I refuse to answer question about who performs bad

Tears for Fears will be nominated instead of JD/NO

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:42pm

Mat r,

Honestly I know nothing about the spice girls except their names. Seems like they were a 90s edition of the monkees I guess? Similar stories sounds like

Posted by Will M on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 15:54pm

Will M,

While they are often lampooned similar to the Monkees, their origins are slightly different. The Spice Girls never had a TV show. And, while the Monkees were four musicians brought together for such a purpose and transcended that (and you are aware I and many others feel they are one of the biggest snubs in tthe RRHOF) to become a real and legit band, I believe the Spice Girls are friends who blended their individual talents and personas to become the iconic phenomenon they were for teenagers to young girls in the 90s.

I don't know the extent of their influence, but they aren't exactly a horse and pony show

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 16:01pm

Will M

Not really, Spice Girls wrote everything

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 16:02pm

K Dawg and Mar r,

Ah ok. I thought they might be like the monkees because of the spice world movie. I'm a big monkees fan so if they're story is pretty similar then I wouldn't necessarily be a fan but I'd have more respect for them

Posted by Will M on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 16:16pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which MTV acts have been discussed in the past year or two for the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 16:35pm

sting

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 16:45pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which 80's/90's acts have been discussed in the past year or two for the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 16:48pm

A lot

Please do no ask me a ton of questions in one day

I am tired

I just want to say the bangles will be nominated

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 16:50pm

deftones and Michael bolton are considered and discussed

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 16:52pm

TheRealBoyGenius,

Thank You! I won't ask you any more questions today and I will ask you more questions about the Rock Hall soon.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 16:53pm

Ritchie you gotta stop latching on to people who claim they are Rock Hall insiders.

Posted by xwing1212 on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 20:16pm

If Tears for Fears gets their eventual nomination Ian Stanley and Manny Elias better get nominated with them, they were officials band members for their big first two albums and have more writing credits on those two then Curt Smith, and if they are left out because they weren't used for the marketing I'll be beyond pissed.

Posted by Guest on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 22:35pm

I'm new to the RRHOF community but can someone explain to me why some artists like Dolly Parton and Kate Bush have to wait so long even though they've been well qualified to be inducted, meanwhile someone like Missy Elliott gets inducted on their first year of eligibility? And why the nominees that didn't get inducted aren't always up for nomination the following year?

Posted by Ralib on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 22:59pm

I'm new to the RRHOF community but can someone explain to me why some artists like Dolly Parton and Kate Bush have to wait so long even though they've been well qualified to be inducted, meanwhile someone like Missy Elliott gets inducted on their first year of eligibility? And why the nominees that didn't get inducted aren't always up for nomination the following year?

Posted by Ralib on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 22:59pm

Ralib

Simple answer is politics. Dolly is a country artist and for a long time the Rock Hall was uber selective about country and Kate Bush is a Brit with only moderate US chart success while Missy was a groundbreaking artist in a genre with roots firmly in the hall's scope

Also again politics. Someone leaves the committee, someone new becomes eligible, exhaustion of voters, people forget about them.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 05/5/2023 @ 23:29pm

Ralib,

RRHOF is an infamous country club of the rich execs who get their personal friends in as soon as possible and only get in artists like Dolly or Bush when either they have something that can be exploited for marketing their hall or they are so important and obvious to rock canon they cannot be snubbed forever or it makes the hall look dumb as shit, or both. And I hate to say it, but race and gender are big topics the last few years so there's a push to induct "black and female" artist for being, well, black or female. Which is backhanded in my opinion but they think that's good PR

There's not definite on when they are ready to get in a certain artist in, but it's generally inner-politics and then marketability. That's why it's not a definite list of what's important to rock, if it was then Missy Elliot would be more important to rock then David Bowie or Pink Floyd given they didn't get in immediately. It's more a circlejerk of personal industry friends with some far too important artists sprinkled in

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 00:02am

Will M,

We have not chatted directly in some time. I totally agree with you. I seem to be one of the few conventional Rock fans here. Exactly Just because Sheryl crow is pretty conventional DOES NOT mean that no one was impacted by her at all. TOM PETTY never really broke new ground, but he was a massively influential person. NOw im a Rather big TOM Petty fan and I do have some fan hood for SHERYL. , so for a BALANCE tom petty was an incredible songwriter who often fought for the rights of musicans against their labels. Thats NOT sheryl, Thats true BUT she definitly does have fans and impact, I agree probably the most important musician right now, And she dated Eric Clapton. A terrific musician dated another terrific musician. Respond Respond

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 05:33am

Korn will be nominated and easy to be inducted in 2024.

Celion Dion will be nominated in 2024.

That is the information I have obtained from the nomination committee.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 06:21am

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which acts do you think will get in on their first nomination once they get nominated for the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 09:48am

Ed Sheeran
Justin Bieber
Backstreet Boys
Imagine Dragons

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:05am

Westlife
James Blunt
Daniel Powter

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:07am

Mods

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:11am

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which acts do you think will get in the next time that they get nominated for the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:11am

Cyndi Lauper
Warren Zevon

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:13am

It seems that TheRealBoyGenius just treats richie as a fool and keeps teasing him.

Posted by power on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:15am

TheRealBoyGenius I don't buy it. I think your making stuff up.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:20am

Everyone here already knows TheRealBoyGenius / RealBoyGenius is fake for a long long time, except for richie......

Posted by power on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:24am

My information is true and real. I see the voting result and I have involved with the whole process.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:25am

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which Country acts do you think will get nominated for the Rock hall soon?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:26am

emayou harris
loretta lynn

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:30am

I have understood why driving force is so harsh on richie...

Posted by power on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:32am

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which 80's MTV acts do you think will get nominated for the Rock Hall soon?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:39am

This site is dumb. Add some moderation and an edit button

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:40am

TheRealBoyGenius how are involved in the process? Who do you know?

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:41am

The hall will induct at least 8 performers in the future.

They want to induct 8 in this year to include Zevon but many things are not prepared well for inducting 8. The nomination committee expects to induct at most 7 in the meeting. They will modify the number of inductees in the next year.

I will not be surprised 10 performers will be inducted in 2024.

Celion Dion, Korn will appear on the ballot in 2024.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:42am

Richie, you have asked me this question yesterday. Please do not ask me the same question again.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:44am

Guest,

" There's a push to induct black and female artists for being well, black or female".

So you're basically saying black or female artists really aren't deserving of being inducted. It's all Just good PR. That's so simple minded and a horrible take. Especially being it literally took most of these acts decades to get in..... Since your comment was in reference to Missy Elliot getting in so soon here are the black and female artists inducted over the last few years.

2018
• Nina Simone
• Sister Rosetta Thorpe ( side door)

2019
• Janet Jackson

2020
• Whitney Houston

2021
• Tina Turner

2022
• Sylvia Robinson ( side door )
• Elizabeth Cotten ( side door )

2023
• Missy Elliot
• Chaka Khan ( side door)

So the notion it's just good PR is ridiculous. Missy Elliot being the only black female FYE is more the exception than the rule. Now If you had made the claim Rap as a genre seem to have jumped the line to getting in right away, you might have a case. But "black and/or female" acts getting in looks good is pure nonsense. It took some of these people years and years and years. The Rock is actually trying to play catch up inducting these artists.

Side note: Congrats to the 2023 class! Even though I feel a few could have waited a few more years, they're still deserving nonetheless.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:46am

TheRealBoyGenius,

Thank You! I won't ask you the same question again, Anyway, Are you brucewayneofgotham from the Steve Hoffman forums ( https://forums.stevehoffman.tv )?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:49am

TheRealBoyGenius since you claim to know information from the nominating committee who besides the nominees for 2023 were brought at the meeting?

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:51am

Richie, if you do not trust me, you can refuse to listen to me.

I will not on Steve Hoffman forums and I think future rock legends site is suitable for me.

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 10:52am

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which 90's Rock/Alternative/Grunge acts do you think will get nominated for the Rock Hall soon?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 11:01am

no

they will mainly focus on soundgarden

you have asked me enough question today, I will have a rest

you can ask me in the future

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 11:04am

TheRealBoyGenius,

Thank You! I will give you a rest today and I'll talk to you again soon.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 11:09am

Can we get back to some real conversation and not this garbage from a fake poster?

This board is getting unreadable and all valued conversation is getting destroyed. I'm of the mind to message the RRHOF directly and tell them someone is pretending to be a leaker of their privileged information...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 11:12am

My early predictions:

Warren Zevon (2)
Kool and the Gang (1)
Bad Company (1)
Phil Collins (1)
Iron Maiden (3)
Cyndi Lauper (2)
Joy Division/ New Order (2)
A Tribe Called Quest (3)
Soundgarden (3)
Mary J Blige (2)
Alanis Morissette (1)
The White Stripes (2)
Coldplay (1)

The Class:
Coldplay
Alanis Morisette
A Tribe Called Quest
Soundgarden
Phil Collins
Warren Zevon
Kool and the Gang

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 12:54pm

Plebeian,

As much as I love Coldplay, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in on their first nomination if Bon Jovi, Radiohead, Dave Matthews Band and The White Stripes didn't, so I think that it will take them 2 nominations to get in just like Bon Jovi and Radiohead did.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 13:07pm

Well the first thing is that Coldplay is much more commercially successful than Radiohead and The White Stripes. While they might not have the critic acclaim as the two mentioned above , they still were better received by critics than Dave Matthews Band and Bon Jovi

Posted by jay kay on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 13:26pm

Interesting list, Plebeian.

I notice you are straying away from the Hall's trend of nominating/inducting a rap/hip-hop artist every year. That's a bold move. I do agree Coldplay will be a heavy favorite. I will say, I'm not seeing Alanis Morrissette as an overwhelming favorite at this point, but I didn't believe Sheryl Crow deserved to be nominated in this previous cycle, so who knows how they think.

More input as I get a chance, but it is a very strong list.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 14:32pm

For my very early predictions, I don't feel there will be a FYN. Here are my predictions, which I am sure will change in the next 8 months.

Nominees

War
J Geils Band
Jethro Tull
Glen Campbell
Cher
Cyndi Lauper
New York Dolls
Tears For Fwears
Snoop Dogg
Salt N Pepa
B-52's
INXS
Ashford And Simpson
Fela Kuti
Diana Ross

Going In

War
J Geils Band
New York Dolls
Salt N Pepa
Cyndi Lauper
B-52's
Glen Campbell

Fela Kuti - musical excellence

Glen Campbell could even go in musical excellence, he is highly regarded for his session work early in his career, so who knows

If Glen does go in ME then add either Diana Ross or INXS, either way both will go in eventually

Posted by falcon on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 14:37pm

Aria Diamond,

Congrats on reading one sentence of a longer paragraph, getting fake-outraged, and not reading the part immediately after where I said " Which is backhanded in my opinion but they think that's good PR". Which means that I think it's a disservice to these artists who have made great contributions to music to boil down them and their too recent inductions (like really, Sister Rosetta Thorpe, Tina Turner, Nina Simone only got in this late into the hall's life????) to only their race and sex, which the hall has been openly trying to make a focus, and not that they got in decades earlier for the merit they have and what they done but now because of that checkmark to make their hall look better.

Since you can read one paragraph, read this; those you listed should have gotten in AGES ago and being seen as a diversity checkmark is offensive to them. And all having to wait many decades when Missy gets in first shot is also wrong to me, she isn't as important as those listed to rock.

This is why you can't have a serious discussion about the Hall, or many things. Jumping way too quick to get offended.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 15:48pm

Top Non-Inducted Artists From Billboard's Top Pop Singles Book 1955-2015:

3. Mariah Carey
7. Taylor Swift (not eligible)
11. Rihanna (not eligible)
15. Pat Boone (doesn't fit the category)
16. Usher
30. Connie Francis
34. Beyonce (not eligible)
35. Paul Anka
36. Dionne Warwick
39. R. Kelly (will never happen)
40. Tim McGraw (doesn't fit the category)
41. Olivia Newton-John (unlikely to be considered rock enough)
43. Kanye West (not eligible)
45. Justin Bieber (not eligible, super unlikely)
47. Diana Ross
50. Chris Brown (will never happen)
51. Perry Como (doesn't fit category)
53. Kenny Chesney (doesn't fit category)
54. Barbra Streisand (doesn't fit category)
56. Lil Wayne
57. Bobby Vinton (doesn't fit category)
58. Katy Perry
59. Brook Benton
61. Phil Collins
64. Britney Spears (not eligible)
71. Cher
73. P!nk (not eligible)
74. Bryan Adams (mostly doesn't fit category)
75. Mary J. Blige
76. Nelly (not eligible)
78. Maroon 5 (not eligible)
79. Boys II Men
81. Johnny Mathis (doesn't fit the category)
83. Kool & the Gang
84. Gloria Estefan
85. T.I. (not eligible?)
86. Chubby Checker
87. Kenny Rogers (doesn't fit category)
88. Puff Daddy
89. 50 Cent (not eligible)
90. Celine Dion (doesn't fit the category)
91. Barry Manilow (doesn't fit the category)
92. Christina Aguilera
93. Nicki Minaj (not eligible)
95. Neil Sedaka (side category, perhaps)
97. Kelly Clarkson (not eligible)
98. Brad Paisley (doesn't fit the category)

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 16:17pm

Guess Britney was eligible beginning this year. *shrugs shoulders*

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 16:19pm

Britney is already eligible in this year. She is not a fye. Hope she will be a fyn in the future.

Thin Lizzy was nominated in 2020, when their next nomination will come?

I think the people who supported Thin Lizzy before are the same people supporting Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Motorhead.

Posted by power on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 18:13pm

Talking about the chance of the Coldplay, I think they are not very likely to be nominated in the next year. If the nomination committee does not treat Coldplay as possible fye like Green Day and Pearl Jams, then it may need more years for them to be voted on the ballot. It is not common that an artist will be nominated in year 2 if not nominated in year 1 after 2010.

I do not see their nomination before 2025. They will be nominated when the nomination committee feel they want a headliner to promote the tickets for induction ceremony. There are still some big household names who can be used for headliners like Mariah Carey.

Posted by power on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 18:25pm

I once thought the White Stripes would be a FYE.

Now I am not sure about their chance if they are nominated in the next time.

It seems that they are not as big from the view of voters as we think.

I would not be surprised that the hall will try Beck in the next year. It depends on the actual vote ranking.

Posted by power on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 18:30pm

My guess is the rock hall sees Coldplay as low priority and wants to save them till after say oasis. They'll get in fyn

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 18:37pm

Speaking of oasis

With rage now in and Soundgarden seemingly keeping Alice in chains off the ballot, who gets the rage spot? Feels unlikely for an alt metal act like faith no more or Korn so it's probably gonna go to an alternative band

Outside of oasis, Jane's Addiction, pixies, Weezer, smashing pumpkins, blink 182, and no doubt is there anyone else any of you can see getting the spot?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 18:46pm

Guest,

You're the one who stated in your comment "I hate to say it"....How does one take that? Anyway, what would you rather the Rock Hall do then since it's such a disservice? Since it's all about checking a box?... Not induct black and female acts at all? Never get nominated? You want them to wait even longer to get in? Of course they should've been in much sooner but they have to get on the ballot at some point. So that diversity checkmark doesn't even matter. I look it as The Rock Hall playing catch-up to a backlog of black artists who should have already been in. How is that a disservice? Never getting in would be the real tragedy..... Yes, Missy Elliot could have waited. Salt N Pepa or Queen Latifah should have gone in before her.

I do apologize for jumping to conclusions but your whole first comment just rubbed me the wrong way. Since you explained yourself, I can see (and read lol) better what you meant. I get it now.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 19:02pm

Mat r, also garbage, the breeders or sonic youth

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 21:15pm

One of Sonic Youth, Pixies, Jane's Addiction, Dave Matthews Band are more likely to take the spot of RATM as they are mentioned or supported by someone in committee or nominated before.

Questlove may support for Sonic Youth from his 2014 interview.
Pixies may be supported by Dave Grohl. Dave Grohl has one of Pixies record in his favorite 10 records.
Jane's Addiction has been supported by Tom Morello and Dave Grohl before.
Dave Matthews Band are mainstream band in 1990 and may appear on the ballot for the second time.
Bad Brains have an outsider chance but I think Grohl and Morello will have higher priority on Jane's Addiction.

Posted by power on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 22:44pm

Talking about the nomination of Dave Grohl on the nomination committee conference known by us each year,

In 2017 he nominated Jane's Addiction and Bad Brains.
In 2018, he nominated Judas Priest.
I think in 2019 he nominated Devo.
In 2020, he nominated Judas Priest and Motorhead.
In 2021, he nominated Devo and Iron Maiden.
In 2022, he nominated Devo and Judas Priest.
In 2023, he nominated Iron Maiden.

Talking about Questlove,
In 2014, he nominated Hall & Oates
In 2015, he nominated Bill Withers
In 2019, 2020, 2021, he nominated Tood Rundgren
In 2022 and 2023, he nominated A Tribe Called Quest
In 2023, he nominated the Spinners

I am not sure about the past choice by Tom Morello yet except for his advocation for Kiss.

Posted by power on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 22:51pm

And I quote Beyoncé & Mary J Blige about Mariah Carey.

"Vision Of Love was one of the first songs I heard when I was a kid where I heard all of these riffs, and I was like how does she do that. In this little short amount of time the amount of notes she could squeeze in, in that one little bar.. two bars.. was fascinating to me, and that's kinda when I started trying and I it's something I love to do in my music but she completely inspired me. Mariah Carey made me wanna sing. - Beyoncé

I'm a fan of Mariah Carey, her songs gave us a lot of hope. She played a part in saving our lives, little project kids we had nothing to live for sometimes it felt like, and it was her music that made us wanna sing, cuz she was like an angel and still is to us. — Mary J Blige

You can't induct the two of them without inducting Mariah first, and I'm Beyonce will get in her first year of eligibility.

Posted by Ralib on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 23:02pm

Full MJB interview from NPR in 2006

ELLIOTT: I read that you started singing as a kid in church and that you would also sing in talent shows. Was there some performance along the way where you started to think, hey, I think I can do this. I like this.

Ms. BLIGE: Let me see, I had performed at a club when I was a teenager. I sang one of Mariah Carey's songs, I think it was Love Takes Time, because I'm a fan of Mariah Carey's, I love her. So it was that performance at the club that night. The club was called Arthur's.

ELLIOTT: Help me remember that song, I can't remember that song. How did it go?

Ms. BLIGE: (Singing) Love takes time to heal when you're hurting so much. Couldn't see that I was blind to let you go. I couldn't stand the pain...

That one. She, her songs gave us a lot of hope. And I finally got a chance to tell her, you played a part in saving our lives. Little project kids. We had nothing, sometimes, to live for, it felt like. And it was your music that saved our lives and made us wanna sing because you were like and angel and still are to us.

Posted by Ralib on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 23:14pm

Full MJB interview from NPR in 2006

ELLIOTT: I read that you started singing as a kid in church and that you would also sing in talent shows. Was there some performance along the way where you started to think, hey, I think I can do this. I like this.

Ms. BLIGE: Let me see, I had performed at a club when I was a teenager. I sang one of Mariah Carey's songs, I think it was Love Takes Time, because I'm a fan of Mariah Carey's, I love her. So it was that performance at the club that night. The club was called Arthur's.

ELLIOTT: Help me remember that song, I can't remember that song. How did it go?

Ms. BLIGE: (Singing) Love takes time to heal when you're hurting so much. Couldn't see that I was blind to let you go. I couldn't stand the pain...

That one. She, her songs gave us a lot of hope. And I finally got a chance to tell her, you played a part in saving our lives. Little project kids. We had nothing, sometimes, to live for, it felt like. And it was your music that saved our lives and made us wanna sing because you were like and angel and still are to us.

Posted by Ralib on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 23:14pm

Sonic youth feel like a pointless nomination. Like Kim Gordan has said they won't get in. Kind of wish they'd jump to a category for them something that needs to start happening with names.

Breeders too at least for coming up next, pixies need to be in first. But yea could happen

Garbage is a weird one cause everyone knows garbage but, believe it or not, they were not that big band. They had one two albums that did alright but they were kind of on par with filter when it comes to hits and sales. Could see it but they're weird.

Dmb is a good one but do they count as alternative? They seem more in like with Sheryl than rage.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 23:20pm

I'd also note power Jane's Addiction was nominated in 2017 and Weezer, blink 182, and oasis were first eligible in 2020. Bets are off on them being a bigger priority. We also don't know whether blink 182 have come up yet but we do know blink just reuinted and headlined america's biggest music festival on last minute notice. No one else listed could have done that.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/6/2023 @ 23:29pm

The reason why I have Siouxsie and the Banshees in my early prediction for next year's nomination is because Siouxsie Sioux is embarking on a solo tour this year. The attention she's getting with the tour (her first in 15 years) on music websites and social media is probably going to help them get nominated.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 00:55am

KING 2023-2024 Early Nominee List (20).
1. Soundgarden
2. Bryan Adams
3. The Bangles
4. Kool & The Gang
5. Iron Maiden
6. Mariah Carey
7. Scorpions

Posted by KING on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 00:58am

I feel like Blink 182 headlining Coachella is a possible swing next year when it comes to nominations. Outside of like a Rolling Stones or U2 I don't think a legacy band enter that role and go over as warmly as Blink 182 did.

And then you look at eligible artist who have headlined in the last 15 years: Red Hot Chili Peppers, AC/DC, GnR, Radiohead, Eminem, Jay-Z, The Cure, Paul McCartney, Dr. Dre, Rage Against the Machine, Prince, and Roger Waters are all inductees and Jack White is a nominee. Beyonce, Stone Roses, Blink 182, Outkast, Blur, Portishead, Jack Johnson, and Snoop are waiting for one and then there is the only double headliner in the last 15 years who is waiting for a nomination........MUSE.

MUSE has headlined Coachella TWICE. WTF? Lowkey heavyweight

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 01:11am

DIGITAL DREAM DOOR
SAMPSON'S CRITIQUE OF THE 2023 Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees IS UP!
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-2023.html

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 02:17am

K-Dawg,

You respond to me most of the time. You are so right. This board is getting unreadable and all Normal conversation is getting wrecked. Can you message the RRHOF directly and tell them someone is being a fake and pretender. I am Not here for this Boy Genius garbage. Its basically a scam. I will take an hiatus of maybe 2 months. I often do this when summer comes due to repetition. I'll take the hiatus early because of the scammer! I love the site BUT hate the scammer/fake.

Anyway in this last entry for awhile. I like the list of Plebian. I will say though I'm Not feeling Alanis Morrissette as an terrific favorite right Now either and she is different from Sheryl Crow. She is Not quite as much a conventional favorite as Sheryl. This is my last entry for 2 months. I'm heading for the hills awhile with help to my wife and watching movies. Don't worry as Arnold S says I'll be back. It may take 2 months to get rid of the scam. This is my last entry so I beg you to respond when able. Respond respond.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 03:54am

Artists who will benefit from 2023 inductees

George Michael: Cyndi Lauper if she gets nominated again next year. Mariah Carey, Sting, and Phil Collins are also helped by this induction. Foreigner are a sneaky pick who I think are quite likely for next year.

Sheryl Crow: Alanis Morissette, Mariah Carey, Oasis, Dave Matthews Band.

Willie Nelson: Glen Campbell, Merle Haggard.

Missy Elliott: Rappers in general but especially Queen Latifah and Salt-N-Pepa.

Kate Bush: Bjork, Sade, JD/NO, Devo, Tori Amos.

Spinners: Barry White, Meters, War, Pointer Sisters, Mary J. Blige.

RATM: Soundgarden have to get in next year. Also Megadeth, Pixies, Jane's Addiction, Smashing Pumpkins, Lenny Kravitz.

Posted by MoreThanAFeeling1976 on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 04:21am

My 2024 Early Nominee Predictions

Fiona Apple
Mariah Carey
Queen Latifah
Pavement
Snoop Dog
The Clash
TLC
Cyndi Lauper
Joy Division
Pixies
Coldplay
Outkast
B-52's
The White Stripes
Muse

Posted by Idio on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 06:09am

Mat r,

thank you for your response. I think the case of Sonic Youth will be similar to New York Dolls and MC5, they are all influential artists with minor commercial success. Questlove said in 2014 he would like to support Sonic Youth in the future and Dave Grohl is also familiar with Sonic Youth. Hence, I think thre is decent chance that they will be nominated in the future, but may fail multiple times and be inducted in side category ( I believe New York Dolls and MC5 will be in side category in the future).

Also, I have mentioned Jane's Addiction in my post. I think it is very likely they will take up the spot of RATM.

Talking about DMB, I think both RATM and DMB are mainstream rock bands. If you treat both RATM and DMB as mainstream rock bands picks, DMB is reasonable.

Pixies may face a similar situation with devo when nominated.

That is just my own opinion and it is sure to be wrong.

Posted by power on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 06:54am

Elle Dee,

You mentioned Siouxsie and the Banshees. I am pessimistic about the chance of Siouxsie and the Banshees, but who knows.

Posted by power on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 07:04am

Hold on Wait. Before my long hiatus. I forgot to discuss the Special categories. Someone I think Power said its sad that since Al Kooper has been inducted as Musical Excellence it makes chances very low that Blood, Sweat & Tears will ever be inducted. This happened with Chic. It didn't bother me with Chic I do NOT like Chic but like and appreciate Nile Rodgers.
You see Blood, Sweat & Tears were strong on my wish list. A preservation of the 1960s. They did a whole bunch of albums with David Clayton Thomas but legend has it Child is the Father to the Man was the highlight due to AL Kooper.

Musical Excellence

Al Kooper- This is to male up for a lack of Classic Rock I guess. This encompasses his career early on Blood, Sweat & Tears and also alll his work as a producer. He produced the first few Lynyrd Skynyrd albums. He played on Free Bird. I think. And he produced the Tubes also. I these,

Chaka Khan- Good R&b singer the Hall wants to get done with. They should have tried longer. I do NOT remember how many nominations she has. She has been a back up singer a lot. Someone can remind me please

Bernie Taupin- Heyy its the songwriter for Elton John. He is soo known for that. he's a big winner for Musical Excellence. Im an Elton John fan so this works real goood. Little known fact he wrote These Dreams for Heart also

I willl enjoy my hiatus. There is this scam going on. Talk to ya in 2 month. Until then Byee. This Boy Genius is pathetic. Richie is fine. Slightly annoying. Thats fine. Richie is nice. I feel bad for his autism. BUT this Boy Genius is an evil scammer. I will return 2 months from Now. K Dawg and any of yu guys Respond when yu can

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 07:11am

Idio mentions Fiona Apple.

I can not predict if the committee will decide to put one art pop woman on the ballot.

And I can not sure if the committee does this who will be nominated first, Bjork? Amos? Apple?

Nevertheless, I think these three will be inducted in the future for sure, it is a the matter of time.

I really hope people in nomination committee like Alan Light can give us more information.

Posted by power on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 07:11am

Idio,

The Clash were inducted back in 2003, however the rest of your list is pretty good!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 07:19am

Power

It makes sense to have Siouxsie and the Banshees for consideration. Them and The Cure are both integral elements of the goth rock movement of the 80s (Robert Smith was a Banshees member for a brief time), Siouxsie is one of the most distinctive women to come out of the British punk scene. If the hall wants to consider JD/NO, then they should also consider Siouxsie and the Banshees.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 07:57am

Here's a list of artists who might be beneficiaries from this year's performers.

Kate Bush: Division/Order (next year would definitely be better for them), Bjork, Fiona Apple & Tori Amos.

Sheryl Crow: Melissa Etheridge & Alanis Morrissette.

Missy Elliott: Sean Combs, Queen Latifah, OutKast, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Nas, Wu - Tang Clan, Salt N Pepa & ATCQ.

George Michael: Billy Idol, Sting, Phil Collins & INXS.

Willie Nelson: Emmylou Harris, Kris Kristofferson, Waylon Jennings & Patsy Cline.

RATM: Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden (clearer path for next year), Sonic Youth, Pixies, Jane's Addiction, Smashing Pumpkins, Oasis & Queens of the Stone Age.

The Spinners: Kool & The Gang, Diana Ross & The Meters.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 08:02am

TheRealBoyGenius,

Which Rap/Hip-Hop acts do you think will get nominated for the Rock Hall soon?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 08:44am

I refuse to answer you question and I will never on this forum again. Please do not ask me

I am not credible

Posted by TheRealBoyGenius on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 08:49am

Mat R,

What are your early predictions for the 2024 nominees and out of your early predictions for the 2024 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 09:06am

What is the final ranking of the votes in 2023?

I have read that Zevon performs good, I am not sure about others.

Posted by thinLizzy on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 10:03am

thinLizzy,

The final voting rank/result for this year is:

1. Willie Nelson
2. George Michael
3. Missy Elliott
4. Sheryl Crow
5. Rage Against The Machine
6. The Spinners
7. Kate Bush
8. Warren Zevon
9. Cyndi Lauper
10. Soundgarden
11. Joy Division/New Order
12. A Tribe Called Quest
13. The White Stripes
14. Iron Maiden

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 10:16am

Just like that he's gone? Even formatted in his broken English?

I'd like to see how things develop, but we are WAY too early for serious discussion on who's gonna go in next year, because we have like 10 months before the noms. it is fun to speculate for a bit tho.

Ben, enjoy your hiatus, my fellow old schooler lol. I wish some of those who were here when I started were still popping up. There are a few, but where has Enigmaticus gone?

I may do some of my own analysis of classes past coming up in a more regular basis. In particular, personal experience and potential paths created by their inductions. We will see if time permits.

Have a great Sunday all

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 10:59am

Siouxsie and the Banashees may see some future nomination but the hall is probably going to try to first get in Joy Division/New Order and The Smiths in as the prestige post punk acts

Posted by jay kay on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 11:18am

Bands that are most likely to take the Rage Spot ranked

1. Jane's Addiction
2. Oasis
3. Pixies
4. Weezer
5. Smashing Pumpkins
6. No Doubt
7. Blink-182
8. Tool
9. Hole
10. Muse

Sonic Youth nah they're waiting on White Stripes and Beck atm. Garbage probably are further off, queens of the stone age don't have the sales too be at the front of the line.

Thoughts?

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 12:57pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 15 years (2024-2039) (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 13:23pm

richie

i'll give a decade take it or leave it

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 13:48pm

richie

i'll give a decade take it or leave it

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 13:48pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2034) (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 13:51pm

Have fun Richie

2024: Cyndi Lauper, The White Stripes, Warren Zevon, Snoop Dogg, Mary J, Blige, Bachman–Turner Overdrive, The J. Geils Band

2025: Mariah Carey, Beck, Outkast, Billy Idol, Roberta Flack, Alanis Morissette, Joy Division/New Order

2026: Lauryn Hill, Oasis, Soundgarden, Bryan Adams, Glen Campbell, The B52s, Bjork

2027: Weezer, Wu-Tang Klan, Nas, Foreigner, Melissa Etheridge, Alicia Keys, Meat Loaf

2028: Beyonce, Pink, Diana Ross, Daft Punk, Lil Wayne, Motley Crue, Cliff Richard

2029: Britney Spears, 50 Cent, A Tribe Called Quest, Jimmy Buffet, Supertramp, The Killers

2030: Pixies, No Doubt, INXS, Rihanna, Justin Timberlake, Brandi Carlile, George Jones and Tammy Wynette

2031: Taylor Swift, The Strokes, The Black Keys, Ludacris, The Dave Matthews Band, Sade, Lucinda Williams

2032: Blink-182, Adele, Ed Sheeran, Bad Company, TLC, Gordon Lightfoot, D'Angelo

2033: Lady Gaga, Arctic Monkeys, Smashing Pumpkins, Sarah McLachlan, Fiona Apple, Harry Nilsson

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 14:19pm

Jay Kay

I doubt The Smiths will get in anytime soon because of Morrissey being a far-right nutcase now. I think the hall are going to focus on JD/NO, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and maybe Public Image Ltd. I could see the hall have JD/NO and Siouxsie and the Banshees compete each other on the same ballot,

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 14:26pm

Mat R,

Great predictions for the next 10 years of Rock hall inductions (If 7 inductees each year), but you forgot to add a 7th inductee for both 2029 and 2033. Please add a 7th inductee for both of those years (2029 and 2033).

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 14:37pm

Richie

Toto in 2029, New Edition in 2033

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 14:50pm

Richie,

I'll take your challenge as well.

2024: Coldplay, Melissa Etheridge, Emmylou Harris, Joy Division/New Order, Queen Latifah, Diana Ross & Soundgarden.

2025: Beck, Mary J. Blige, Iron Maiden, Cyndi Lauper, Pixies, A Tribe Called Quest & Warren Zevon.

2026: Garth Brooks, Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Motley Crue, OutKast, The Smiths & The White Stripes.

2027: Bjork, Daft Punk, Lauryn Hill, Ozzy Osbourne, The Replacements, Smashing Pumpkins & Snoop Dogg.

2028: Alice in Chains, De La Soul, INXS, Alicia Keys, Alanis Morrissette, Pink & Sonic Youth.

2029: Fiona Apple, Beyonce, Jane's Addiction, Lenny Kravitz, Salt N Pepa Slayer & Justin Timberlake.

2030: Sean Combs, Kool & The Gang, Megadeth, Rihanna, Shakira, Stone Temple Pilots & Ed Sherran.

2031: Tori Amos, Dave Matthews Band, Moby, Arctic Monkeys, Oasis, Taylor Swift & Kanye West.

2032: Adele, Kelly Clarkson, Billy Idol, Lil Wayne, Linkin Park, Liz Phair &The Strokes.

2033: The Chemical Brothers, DMX, The Killers, The Roots, Usher, Amy Winehouse & Wu - Tang Clan.

2034: Christina Aguilera, Cypress Hill, Destiny's Child, LCD Soundsystem, Queens of the Stone Age, Britney Spears & Weezer.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 15:14pm

I'll throw mine out there a little later...it's probably a bit different than the others

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 16:51pm

KING Quick 2023-2024 Nominees List (20). Didn't know the other list stopped.
1. Scorpions
2. The Bangles
3. The White Stripes
4. Diana Ross
5. Iron Maiden
6. Smashing Pumpkins
7. Cyndi Lauper
8. The Pointer Sisters
9. Joy Division/New Order
10. Bryan Adams
11. Soundgarden
12. Bad Company
13. Dr. Dre
14. Lenny Kravitz
15. Kool & The Gang
16. Mariah Carey
17. Phil Collins
18. Jane's Addiction
19. Emmylou Harris
20. INXS

KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 17:13pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the side categories (Ahmet Ertegun Award, Early Influence and Musical Excellence) in the next 10 years (2024-2033)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 17:20pm

Richie

Musical influence

2024: Fela Kuti, The New York Dolls
2025: Big Mama Thornton, MC5
2026: Motorhead, Patsy Cline
2027: Boogie Down Productions, Hank Snow
2028: Suzi Quatro, Ravi Shankar
2029: Sonic Youth, Dionne Warwick
2030: Salt-N-Pepa, Dick Dale
2031: Jay Hawkins, Wend Carlos
2032: Mary Wells, John Coltrane
2033: Richard Hell, Rudy Ray Moore

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 17:58pm

The B-52's and Devo are omitted by lists of other users lol.

Posted by power on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 18:27pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall Inductees in the Ahmet Ertegun Award and Musical Excellence categories in the next 10 years (2024-2033)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 18:28pm

Richie

Musical excellence

2024: Eric B and Rakim, Jim Rodford, Carol Kaye
2025: The JBs, Jane's Addiction, Jaco Pastorius
2026: Devo, Martha Wash, Giorgio Moroder
2027: John Prine, The Wailers, Weird Al
2028: Siouxsie Sioux, Ice T, Daniel Lanois
2029: The Neptunes, Johnny Marr, Ronnie James Dio
2030: Merry Clayton, The Replacements, Burton Cummings
2031: Ian MacKaye, Alison Krauss, Big Daddy Kane
2032: Taj Mahal, Klaus Voormann, Boz Scaggs
2033: Liz Phair, Bob Rock, Jack Antonoff

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 19:08pm

They should give music excellence to Johnny Marr, Andy Rourke, and Mike Joyce all in one year. That would be the funniest troll yet.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 19:15pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the Ahmet Ertegun Award category in the next 10 years (2024-2033)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 19:38pm

what do you guys think of faith no mores chances? mike patton very openly mocks music industry stuff so theyd be a garuntee no show but theyre pretty much the only 1985 act i can see getting in

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 20:16pm

Will M.,

I see FNM being unlikely to ever get it, many already see them (unfairly) as "one hit wonders", they've never really played the industry game and most importantly they've made a lot of rivals and enemies in the industry. Patton especially pissed of RCHP as part of his Mr Bungle stint and anyone who is close to them will not let Patton in.

The only 1985 act I see as an eventual possibility is MBV, having what's widely considered one of the best albums ever that's very relevant and influential to this day, even to 90s artists who are getting in now, and the definitive act to represent an entire rock subgenre in shoegaze. Even then, if the rock hall is shifting entirely away from rock and becoming a generic pop music hall of fame that bases on sales and "pop icon" status then even they have an unlikely chance.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 21:34pm

Guest,

Did not realize MBV were 1985, I still don't have my hopes up for them, but then they're definitely more likely than faith no more. Shields is also not an industry guy, but he's not exactly antagonistic towards it, and he's good friends with Patti Smith + Lenny Kaye who everyone seems to forget is a nom com member. MBV aren't impossible at all and considering the massive influence and critical acclaim I'd see them going down the line after JDNO and Zevon, but definitely not immediately

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 21:54pm

Musical Excellence that is missing in everyones prediction is Danny Elfman's contribution to movie scores after being in an alt-rock band

Posted by jay kay on Sunday, 05/7/2023 @ 22:41pm

NYDs Steppenwolf and MC5 are 100% going in the MI within the next 2 years, probably not all at once tho, Procul Harum as well but they could also wind up under AME

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 06:44am

Will

Mostly agree. Very unsure about Steppenwolf because unlike the dolls or mc5 they're quite linked to the boomer nostalgia the hall wants to avoid now.

Oddly I have been trying to get where I live to do something to recognize Jerry Edmonton who is from here

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 07:13am

mat r,

unfortunately fair point, but if they want to throw a bone to the eternal bridemaids in metal, i mean born to be wild has the very first utterance of the phrase "heavy metal". thats a decent shot i say, and it would put in another band of canadians

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 07:17am

Talking about the case of SIOUXSIE & THE BANSHEES, they are too cult and unknown by American voters. New Order are way bigger than SIOUXSIE & THE BANSHEES and they find themselves hard to be inducted in. Cult band/Underground artists can be inducted or nominated, but most of them are artists in the United States like the Replacements, MC5 and New York Dolls.

Yes, I think SIOUXSIE & THE BANSHEES really deserve to be inducted due to their huge influence on goth rock, dream pop, britpop, alternative rock. But I do not see their chance for nomination in 5 years.

Talking about the Smiths, it is hard to say. If the Smiths were nominated in 2015 and 2016, they may get a nomination in the future.

After Depeche Mode, the Cure, Duran Duran, JD/NO (and the Smiths) in, I think the hall may be done with British post punk artists. They will focus on Oasis.

Posted by power on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 07:34am

Power,

I think you underestimate SATB, they headlined the first lollapalooza

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 08:13am

Will M,

I have no problem with Steppenwolf, but of course "Born to Be Wild" is already in the Singles category. Which is a hot mess, since they included for some bizarre reason "Time Is On My Side:, by Irma Thomas. Really? Not even her best song, in fact not even close. Plus they included "Twist And Shout", even though the Isleys were already (deservedly) in.

Posted by souljah on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 08:20am

OK, I hope all of JD/NO, the Smiths and SATB will be inducted in the future.

I hop SATB will in the mind of people who are supporting British acts.

Posted by power on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 08:22am

A long shot. I hope they will be nominated.

Their influence to goth rock, alternative rock, dream pop and britpop is hard to be ignored.

They have influenced Joy Division / New Order, U2, the Cure, Jesus and Mary Chain, Jane's Addiction, Radiohead, PJ Harvey, Sinéad O'Connor, Garbage, the Smiths, Depeche Mode, My Bloody Valentine, the Smashing Pumpkins, just to name a few.

They are rr hof worthy without doubt.

Posted by power on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 08:43am

power,

plus, itd be a great shot at getting the most underrated guitarist ever, john mcgeoch in the hall. lord knows theyll never touch the fantastic magazine or public image liminted

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 09:09am

souljah,

that was the nail in the coffin, until this year when link wray whos also sort of defined by one song which was used in the dreaded singles category, was ressurected and inducted as MI, i think the same is bound to happen for steppenwolf

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 09:13am

You know it is kind of funny that Link Wray got inducted over and MC5 git half a dozen nominations over the Kingsmen. If there is any band that changed music outright with one song it's the Kingsmen. Just goes to show that if you're not seen as a serious act people don't notice, same is probably is holding back Jay Hawkins.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 09:32am

Mat r,

Really good points! Screamin Jay is seriously one of the most egregious snubs. And tbh the kingsmen were never a first thought for me but yea Louie Louie is really important but it's seen as a novelty. Same might be the case with the troggs.

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 09:53am

I pretty much agree with power's assessment of SATB. They may get a nomination because the Hall of Fame lacks female recognition and there isn't really that many female fronted post punk bands. They are still in the cult status and very influential but not as big influence as New Order/Joy Division and the Smiths are.

I think the Smiths will eventually get in. It may take a few more nominations depending if Moz opens his mouth again and says something controversial. Not that hardcore right wing views hurt Eric Clapton or Gene Simmons induction.

Posted by jay kay on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 11:57am

2024: Coldplay, Cyndi Lauper, Joy Division/New Order, Mariah Carey, Bad Company, Smashing Pumpkins, Warren Zevon.

More years coming soon.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 12:00pm

All this talk of UK post-punk has me curious cause someone linked them to Oasis (a band I think is more in competition with Americans than Brits for a nomination), what do we think about the band that, if you talk to Brits, is more important than SATB, JD/NO, The Cure, and maybe even The Smiths combined: Stone Roses.

Two albums but so much influence, so much acclaim, so many albums sold but it's like almost entirely contained to the UK (they charted in the States but it was never that impressive). This is the band that surpassed it's predecessors (their debut sold more copies than everything The Smiths ever did) and laid the foundation for where British music was going to go more than anyone but just blew up and disappeared and unlike Oasis, SATB or JD there's no iconic members or fashion influence, they're just a band.

Like they have a Top 500 Album but they are so British in everyway, more so than Roxy Music or Kate Bush. Do you guys see a path there?

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 12:21pm

Oasis is a different era so I doubt they will get lumped in with the definition of post punk which occurs in 70s/80s. There weren't many brit bands that made it big in the US during the 90s so I think they would be competing against non brit alt rock acts Weezer, Cranberries, and the Offpsring. Technically they should mainly be competing against 90s brit band contemporaries like Blur and Stone Roses plus Radiohead is already in. Stone Roses only had two albums and even the first album was more of a cult following in the US. I could see Oasis getting in the next 3-5 years

Posted by jay kay on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 12:44pm

Mat R,

Don't disagree on Kingsmen, but that is exactly why "Louie Louie" is in as a Single. Another group that changed things a lot is Iron Butterfly. May not like them, but "In A Gadda-Da-Vida" was enormously influential in the sixites. And every drum solo ever since owes a debt to that recording.

Will M,

Good point on Link Wray as Musical Influence. Kind of epitomiozes it. Just as (to me) the Meteres epitomize Musical Excellence.

Posted by souljah on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 12:56pm

Souljah,

Meters have to be an ame to me, more well known for the studio work. I wouldn't mind the same thing with Toto

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 13:01pm

Mat R,

Love Stone Roses, but if Kate Bush takes four nominations, they have an uphill climb. Particularly if the Hall gets even more mainstream than it already is. I see Stone Roses as kind of like Richard Thompson, highly influential, absolutely revered in Britain, but not well established in the US.

Posted by souljah on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 13:07pm

I was excited for RATM, Kate Bush and Willie Nelson.

It's a shame for the two metal bands (Maiden and Soundgarden), though.

Posted by Tommy on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 14:21pm

Here's some inside information regarding the 2023 official voting results from Btravll on Twitter ( https://twitter.com/Btravll ) and they are:

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1655501774663438336

pt 1 Strong picks , all the way around, I have to be careful what I say anymore ...but just as in the real election , the late vote ...twisted the results from what the early reads were looking like...the last 200+, Kate has a 4 to 1 advantage to Cyndi and made up serious ground

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1655502724224499713

pt 2 The Howard Stern thing really helped the Spinners in a huge manner, they were on nearly every late ballot. And finished 2nd only to Willie. Missy (aprx 70%) was a strong 3rd. Though she took votes away from Tribe . Sheryl was just plain consistent , a strong 4th (aprx 65%)

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1655504899373690881

pt 3 Oh Yeah , Willie was at 95% , Spinners near 80% . George Michael , started strong , but faded to a little under 50%. I always wonder if people don't vote for someone , because they think everyone else will. Kate was at the end at about 38% , and RATM, a tad under 38

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1655504745950322688

part 4 Cyndi slipped to 35% (when at one point, she was at 75% ) Zevon was right below her, and seriously (and also slipped in the late voting , now we know what the Letterman , Billy J , Springsteen , Ronstadt calls were about , last week...feel bad for the Lauper and Zevon fams

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1655505738611974148

pt 5 ATCQ was at 33% , White Stripes was at 25% , they really tanked in the late vote (probably their losing votes and Zevon's losing votes ) bumped up RATM ..... Soundgarden and Iron Maiden were never a factor , maybe 5% of the ballots at best

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 15:00pm

richie, please do not post information by BoyGenius/brucewayneofgotham/Btravll.

These numbers are not right mathematically. For example, if Cyndi Lauper gets 75% in first 600 votes, even if she gets no vote in final 600 votes, she is still 37.5%. no way 35%. If the Spinners is 5th about 50% in first 600 votes, if they get all the votes lately and they have 75% at most, no way 80%.

He has posted on steve hoffman music forum before, if he is real, why he disappears on that forum.

Even if the information is real, most of other users do not want to see BoyGenius/brucewayneofgotham/Btravll, and you should not post his information anymore to make other people unhappy.

Posted by thinLizzy on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 15:17pm

If you want to trust him, please just follow him and make comments in twitter, please do not talk about him in this site.

It is your freedom of trusting him, but if his information makes other users in this forum unhappy, you should not post his information again.

Posted by thinLizzy on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 15:22pm

And I think the order obtained from LL Cool J is more likely to be the true order.

LL Cool J is more reliable than an anonymous user who claimed to be an insider.

Posted by thinLizzy on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 15:27pm

I think I should write an email to the rock hall that there is a person pretending to be an insider to make up information about the rock hall.

Posted by thinLizzy on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 15:29pm

https://youtu.be/vF_Lot5zXwQ
GLAD to see THE SPINNERS finally get in….after FOUR NOMINATIONS!!!
NOT so glad to see them get in…after EVERYBODY but HENRY is DEAD .
The Spinners had their VERY FIRST HIT, in 1961 with THAT'S WHAT GIRLS ARE MADE FOR" , literally DECADES before most (if not ALL) of the other artists on this list.
The should've gotten in LONG BEFORE NOW.
Even more ominous: The current Rock Hall TREND of…
1) Waiting until the majority of members of classic R&B groups are DEAD (Spinners), or
2) Picking only ONE person out of R&B groups to INDUCT…
…While SNUBBING the OTHER MEMBERS (Commodores, RUFUS)
while the members of Rock Bands are inducted INTACT,..with ALL MEMBERS ON BOARD.
Is it any wonder why The HoF continues to be rightfully accused with BIAS, since everyone KNOWS that INDUCTED MEMBERS become part of the Voting Body..
and that the FEWER Black Inductees there ARE..
The FEWER Black Voters there will be…to vote for and induct OTHER Black Artists and Groups into the Hall .
Now that All of The POINTER SISTERS are DEAD, except RUTH,
And all of the CHI-LITES are DEAD, except MARSHALL…
Expect at least ONE of them to be on track for NOMINATION next year…
And the Hall's VOTING BODY IMBALANCE to CONTINUE…
"And may the ODDS forever be in OUR FAVOR ."

Posted by Bill G on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 15:29pm

For whatever reason LL has "recanted" his list. Richie's guy's list looks pretty much like what was passed around at the Dio fund raiser, yesterday.

Posted by johnny on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 15:36pm

Who is likely to induct Kate Bush? I've seen people mention Big Boi as a possibility (and that would boost OutKast's nomination chances). The Hall could also try to get a big name to induct her like Lady Gaga or Billie Eilish. Other people I think could do it are Björk, Tori Amos, Florence Welch, Fiona Apple, and St. Vincent.

Posted by xwing1212 on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 16:27pm

Now that Willie Nelson has been inducted, it reminds me that he once collaborated with Mariah Carey for a song for the the movie Tennessee. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkbOkSAJapU

Posted by Ralib on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 16:50pm

My 2024 prediction (more years will come soon):

Nominees:

Warren Zevon, Cyndi Lauper, the White Stripes, Joy Division / New Order, A Tribe Called Quest, Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, Dionne Warwick (8)

Emmylou Harris, Kool & the Gang, Lenny Kravitz, Bjork, Alanis Morissette, Outkast (6)

Inductees:
Outkast, Cyndi Lauper, Dionne Warwick, the White Stripes, Emmylou Harris, Alanis Morissette (I predict 6 not 7, I think I will wait for 1-2 more classes to make sure if the hall wants to induct at least 7 from 2022)

Musical Excellence:

Iron Maiden, MC5, Carole Kaye

Musical Influence:

Big Mama Thornton, Pasty Cline

Non-performers:
Thom Bell

Posted by power on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 16:50pm

Power

I don't see Emmy Lou being nominated or inducted. She isn't an American icon in the way dolly or Willie are plus Gram Parsons isn't in

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 17:15pm

Seriously, people are getting upset on this forum. About someone's post, are they new to the internet? And the Rock Hall loves this stuff, the debate keeps people interested. At the Dio fundraiser, two of the people voting, stated they don't like Maiden personally. And would never vote for them. And this benefit was mostly Metal-connected people in attendance.

Posted by johnny on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 17:50pm

I think Boygenius is using many different user names to post in this forum before and after the announcement. It is very disgusting.

Posted by fake on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 18:02pm

mat r

I have thought about which country act will be nominated next

After Willie and Dolly, there are no main icon of country artists

I think other country artists will not be easy to be voted in

Gram Parsons may be in ME in the future

Posted by power on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 18:09pm

Very early initial thoughts on 2024 -

First of all, amazing that four repeated nominees are now off the table (and highly deserving ones at that). This really frees things up for the future. Let's say we once again have a ballot of 14.

RETURNING FROM THIS BALLOT - I think that around 4 of the artists that didn't make it this year will return to the ballot next year. Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden, and The White Stripes all feel reasonably well set-up for a return. Iron Maiden and Tribe could as well, but might be given a break having appeared on back-to-back ballots (similar to several artists who were nominated in 2021-22 and dropped off this year). Let's say JD/NO, LAUPER, ZEVON, and SOUNDGARDEN make a back-to-back appearance.

RETURNING FROM PREVIOUS BALLOTS - Similar to this year, I think that a couple artists will be returning from prior ballots. If Iron Maiden drops off, I think there's a good chance they try MOTORHEAD again, returning from 2020. Chaka Khan and Missy Elliott both getting in set up really nicely for MARY J BLIGE, who would be returning from 2021. For a third one, DEVO feels like a band they'll keep trying until they're in one way or another.

NEWLY ELIGIBLE - For the first time in a while, I don't see any artists making FYE next year. The trio of major rappers becoming eligible I see probably getting in eventually (Lil Wayne, 50 Cent, Ludacris), but my hunch is that each will have to wait a few years to make the ballot. Aside from them, nobody else is jumping out as obvious. Instead, let's look at this year's eligibility class, since it was doubled up. COLDPLAY feels very likely after being snubbed this year. Lauryn Hill is also possible, but I'm thinking they might go in a different direction there...

POP CULTURE ICON - Tina Turner. Dolly Parton. Willie Nelson. The Hall of the 2020s is trending towards inducting these larger than life cultural figures with incredibly long careers. What other artist out there is a household name, has been making music since the 1960s to major success across a variety of genres, and has had multiple resurgences in popularity across the decades? That's right, it's CHER, who I think will easily be inducted next year.

70s R&B - With The Spinners in and Rufus off the table, this lane is clear for one of the several other worthy artists in waiting. My money is on Kool & The Gang, The Pointer Sisters, or Barry White. Let's take BARRY WHITE.

HIP HOP - Okay so we've settled into a rhythm of two hip-hop artists per year (give or take a hip-hop adjacent R&B singer like Blige), an A artist that will likely get in, and a B artist that probably won't. For Nominee A, my heart is telling me to pick OutKast, but seeing as we're in an era of pop culture icon solo artists getting in, my brain is telling me SNOOP DOGG. For Artist B, my hunch is the FUGEES. It's the kind of interesting, very popular and critically acclaimed hip-hop that the nominating committee will be on board with but the voting body won't on their first try.

90s ROCK - Based on recent years, the ballot will likely have one more 90s rock act. My initial instinct would be Alanis Morrisette, but it's hard to say where things stand given last years issues at the ceremony. If not Alanis, I think the SMASHING PUMPKINS make a lot of sense despite Billy Corgan being a notably flawed figure.

LAST SLOT - I have a couple wildly different directions I could go with this but none of them feel quite right or are too close to another artist so I'll just list them all. Mariah Carey, Roberta Flack, The Bangles, The B-52's, Tracy Chapman. If the ballot is larger than 14 slots, I think 2 or more of this list could make the ballot.

To recap:

Barry White
Cher
Coldplay
Cyndi Lauper
Devo
Fugees
Joy Division/New Order
Mary J Blige
Motorhead
Smashing Pumpkins
Snoop Dogg
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
?

Posted by RG on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 18:12pm

I think one country artist will take the spot of Willie Nelson but I do not know who.

I think after Willie and Dolly, there are no surefire FYN country artists.

Posted by power on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 18:16pm

I think Devo will get nominated for 2024 since the ceremony is going back to Cleveland. I also think the Hall will spend the next few years trying to clear the hip-hip backlog by trying to get Tribe, OutKast, and Wu-Tang Clan into in. I don't see another FYE hip-hop artist getting in until Kanye in 2028 and even that one is dubious.

Posted by xwing1212 on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 18:35pm

RG,

Out of your early predictions for the 2024 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 18:53pm

A name to my mind is John Prine.

I already have 8 previous nominated artists in 14, if I have 9, the proportion will be so high.

My 2024 new prediction:

Nominees:

Warren Zevon, Cyndi Lauper, the White Stripes, Joy Division / New Order, Motorhead, Jane's Addiction, John Prine, Devo (8)

Diana Ross, Kool & the Gang, Lenny Kravitz, Bjork, Alanis Morissette, Snoop Dog (6)

Inductees:
Diana Ross, Snoop Dog, Cyndi Lauper, the White Stripes, Alanis Morissette, Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Devo, Carole Kaye

Musical Influence:

Big Mama Thornton, Pasty Cline

Non-performers:
Thom Bell, Rick Rubin


It is impossible to have a nomination class with no British artists based on previous history data, that is the reason why I have JD/NO on the ballot.

Posted by power on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 19:19pm

Musical Excellence:

Devo, Carole Kaye, Burt Bacharach

Posted by power on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 19:24pm

Here are people I would like to see nominated and inducted next year

1 )Luther Vandross, if they have the ballz to nominate him I am confident he would be inducted.
2) Anita Baker
3) Glenn Campbell, he would be a great country crossover artist who is beloved.
4) The Carpenters.
5) Talk Talk,
6) Joy Division/New Order
7) Oasis

NO to Coldplay, Britney, etc.

Posted by Boulder, CO on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 19:52pm

Here are people I would like to see nominated and inducted next year

1 )Luther Vandross, if they have the ballz to nominate him I am confident he would be inducted.
2) Anita Baker
3) Glenn Campbell, he would be a great country crossover artist who is beloved.
4) The Carpenters.
5) Talk Talk,
6) Joy Division/New Order
7) Oasis

NO to Coldplay, Britney, etc.

Posted by Boulder, CO on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 19:52pm

power,

Did you see my predictions? I have Kenny Rogers as the next and possibly final country artist until Shania or Taylor Swift

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 20:24pm

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Posted by Alejandro Rodas on Monday, 05/8/2023 @ 22:24pm

K-Dawg.

I have seen your prediction. I agree with your prediction.

The real nomination for country artists depends on the likes of the certain members of the nomination committee and it is hard to predict.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 05:26am

Power, IMO, the country artist also has to be someone you can put also into the Americana/Folk genre. Dolly & Willie both filled the bill.

George Jones and George Strait are both mighty artists, but they are Country and Double Country. Maybe Garth Brooks?

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 05:35am

I think one of Devo/MC5/New York Dolls or one of other artists who has been nominated for multiple times will be inducted as musical excellence in 2024.

I choose Devo as the next ceremony will be back to Cleveland. I also do not rule out the possibility of Devo being inducted in main route. If Kate Bush can be inducted in main route, I think the voting result will be not very predictable and every artist may have a chance.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 05:36am

Glen Campbell would be a logical choice. Should have been in years ago.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 05:37am

Paul in KY,

yes. There are no surefire country icons like Willie and Dolly so it is hard to predict the nomination.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 05:39am

power,

This year shows me that you shouldn't write out any artist, even the metal ones, if they have been nominated enough times. If Spinners and Rage can make it in with the urgency of "if you don't get them in they'll be thrown in the consolation trophy category" gives you greater urge to throw them one of 5 votes.

If they are the artist with the highest nominated total that might really get them to vote Devo in

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 05:55am

Guest,

I totally agree with you.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 06:11am

Guest

Yep.

I was saying during the vote there are artists that are just gonna need a lot of ballots to get in cause a side category shouldn't be needed and rage is a prime example.

Then there's spinners which shows anyone in that oldies zone probably can get the votes so maybe don't go dismissing a Joe Tex or j geils band nomination

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 06:58am

Power, et al.,

Re country, I think Waylon Jennings, Garth Brooks, Kenny Rogers and The Chicks are all viable possibilities. Lot of crossover, influence, associated with the right causes or movements. Loretta Lynn might be too country for some, but she is an absolute feminist icon in many ways with songs like, "The pill" and "Don't Come Home A-Drinkin'"

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 07:22am

If Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine and The Spinners can get in the main Performer category and not in the Musical Excellence category after 4+ nominations, then Devo should and will as well, because Devo have a lot of things going for them next year, 1) The ceremony's gonna be back in Cleveland next year and Devo are from Ohio. 2) Devo are getting the documentary treatment and they have a documentary currently in production simply titled Devo and we all know that the Rock Hall loves documentaries, so Devo's chances will be helped greatly by their documentary coming out. 3) Devo are one of only a few artists left that have appeared on VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of All-Time list that still isn't in (They appeared on the 1998 list, but disappeared from the 2010 update), The others being Mary J. Blige (nominated in 2021), Mariah Carey, Coldplay, OutKast, Sade, John Coltrane and Iggy Pop, plus Alicia Keys (eligible in 2026), Justin Timberlake (eligible in 2027) and Beyonce (eligible in 2028) as well. So all in all, Devo truly deserves to get in the regular way as Performers, not in the Musical Excellence category and they should and will get in as Performers the next time that they get nominated (which I think will be next year in 2024), I think that they'll get their fourth nomination next year in 2024 and I think that they'll get in this time around (as Performers, not in the Musical Excellence category).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 09:09am

Richie, I agree with you, Devo are very likely to be one of the most nominated artist if they are on the ballot of the next year. I think they have chance to be #6 or #7 in the final voting.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 09:36am

I feel like New York Dolls are mor likely than Devo to be nominated next year

However I've made made opinion known that I think Little Steven, having just seen the Spinners get in, will try to get J Geils Band on the ballot

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 10:21am

A name I don't see mentioned often here is John Denver. He was a huge star in the 70's. Country, pop, singer songwriter. If we are considering other artists like Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Waylon Jennings, etc., I think he should be discussed. I'm not his biggest fan but he and Glen Campbell seem like obvious choices for the future . What do you all think?

Posted by Cavone on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 11:11am

Cavone,

Given that the Hall seems to be heading toward a more populist mode, john Denver is as good a choice (in his own way) as Dionne Warwick or Diana Ross. He actually had a lot of AOR credibility before "Sunshine on My Shoulders"

A left field Singer-songwriter choice is Buffy St. Marie. You never hear her name mentioned, but she was certainly a trail blazer, as well as an activist for Native American rights.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 11:18am

Richie,

Given that any nominated artist has a roughly 80% chance of eventually being inducted, Devo probably gets in sooner rather than later. I think they could be a Performer or Musical Influence, and Cleveland would seem to fit. Maybe the Rugrats fans will line up behind the brothers Mothersbaugh!

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 11:30am

I really don't think Devo stands a chance. I would think the Replacements, Smiths, and literally dozens of other bands stand a better chance. I mean if the B-52's are nominated then Devo will not even come close.

From where I stand if Glenn Campbell or Sade are nominated they will both do well in the fan vote and also in the Hall of Fame vote.

The nominating committee has so much power.

Posted by Boulder, CO on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 11:41am

souljah,

What are your early predictions for the 2024 nominees and out of your early predictions for the 2024 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 12:08pm

Richie,

Well, I haven't given it a lot of thought, but some guesses FWIW:

Returning- Iron Maiden
Soundgarden
Cyndi Lauper
Joy Division/New Order
Warren Zevon

Previously nominated- Mary J. Blige
Dave Matthews Band
A seventies band - Devo, NY Dolls, J. Geils or War

New to list- Wu Tang Caln
Mariah Carey
Waylon Jennings
Kool & The Gang
At least one of Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, P. Diddy. I would guess Dre
Salt-N-Pepa
Phil Collins

Influence/Excellence categories could see Glen Campbell, Fela Kuti, Brian Eno

If those are actual nominees, I would guess Waylon, Cyndi, Mariah, Dre/Snoop/Diddy, S&P, JD/NO and whatever the seventies band is.

I am sure I am overlooking any number of superior choices.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 12:47pm

Howard Stern has spent the last two days, ripping Kate Bush. I have lost respect for the man. He stated he could not believe The Spinners were in the Top 3 of voting. He saw the real voting numbers and is surprised that people vote the way they do. This has become Gary's personal HOF.

Posted by guest on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 13:39pm

It seems that guest and Guest are two different person.

I have a gut feeling that boygenius is still using other username to post in this forum. I hope he can go away forever.

Posted by fake on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 13:57pm

Based on what you guys, Devo will definitely receive another nomination next year but the question is will the voters listen for real. If they put Devo up against Joy Division/New Order then it's most likely they're not going to be voted in & JD/NO would instead get it as well. It happened the 3 times they were past nominated alongside The Cure, The Go Go's, Duran Duran & Eurythmics. Also does it seem odd if Devo gets in as performers yet others like Kraftwerk, Judas Priest, Chaka Khan & LL Cool J had to go through the non voting method to finally get honored, that's not to say they don't deserve to be in the main category.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 14:24pm

Guest

Funny how Kate is currently sitting in her big mansion across the pond, minding her own damn business. And you have these beta men like Steve King (the loser politician, not the writer), Adam Carolla, Howard Stern, etc. bitching about her induction. The comment section on the rock hall Facebook page is full of so many ignorant, disrespectful comments about Kate. Kate doesn't deserve these pathetic jerks because she knows who her real fans are that stood by her for a long time.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 14:56pm

Guest,

I made a slight mistake on the people who dissed Kate. It was Scott Walker, the loser politician from Wisconsin, not Steve King. I don't know why I mixed up these two guys. Both are still awful people tho

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 15:13pm

Jordan,

The Hall is twisting itself into knots trying to get certain acts inducted. I basically have no problem with their choices, but it was a stretch to call Kraftwerk an early influence, and another stretch to get LL Cool J and Judas Priest in as Musical Excellence. But nowhere near as bad as Bernie as Musical Excellence (especially when the Ertegun Award was originally meant for songwriters) or Ringo for Musical Excellence. Basically the Committee is saying if they think an artist belongs, they will be inducted whether or not the votes are there. It is weird because I am fine with JP, LLCJ and the others getting in. Same problem with the Singles category. They could save themselves a lot of trouble by increasing the class sizes.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 15:14pm

Elle Dee,

Out of curiosity, who do they think should have been inducted instead? The only ones who have a gripe are JD/NO; Kate towers over all the others that did not get in.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 15:16pm

Souljah

Iron Maiden this, Soundgarden that. Where's Warren Zevon? Cher deserves to be in there than Kate, Kate's not influential, a lot of "I don't know her" comments, she's not rock, Kate's fans being snarky at other commenters for being stuck on top 40 radio and not exploring music that's outside top 40 radio, and so much more. Reading some of those stupid, disrespectful comments just hurts me as a longtime fan of Kate's music.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 15:28pm

Some arrogant experts, voters, "insiders" says Kate Bush is unknown in America, they can not name even one song by her, it is too far and impossible for Bush inducted as performer. However, Bush is still inducted and it is like a slap in face on those people.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 15:35pm

The actual final voting result for this year's inductions is:

1. Willie Nelson
2. The Spinners
3. Missy Elliott
4. Sheryl Crow
5. George Michael
6. Kate Bush
7. Rage Against The Machine
8. Cyndi Lauper
9. Warren Zevon
10. A Tribe Called Quest
11. The White Stripes
12. Soundgarden
13. Iron Maiden
14. Joy Division/New Order

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 15:35pm

The data of previous ballots does not reflect the future prospect of possible induction.

I believe Kate Bush performs very bad in previous 3 ballots but she finally makes success in this year.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 15:44pm

Richie, please do not post this list, it is given by boygenius, although you omit his name.

It is not verified to be true.

Posted by fake on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 15:47pm

Based on his saying, if Cyndi Lauper is a lock and Bush is at the bottom at the initial process, she will have 300-400 votes more than Kate Bush in first 600 votes, and it is almost very hard for Kate Bush to proceed Cyndi Lauper with the final 200+ votes. So his information is not reasonable in logic.

Posted by fake on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 15:51pm

I remember that Queslove said LL Cool J was almost inducted in 2018. However, he still failed for the next two times.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 15:54pm

Richie,

Find that to be fake since there's no actual legitimate proof.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 16:05pm

What about the chance of Thin Lizzy returning to the ballot?

It seems that many critics supported their induction in 2020.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 16:09pm

Thin lizzy seems to be a bone thrown at rock fans at this point, although the hall does have a history of coming back around to get acts years later. So it's anyone's guess, power.

Truthfully, I still think bad company is at the top of the 70s rock band snub list. Paul rodgers and crew would ideally get in while he can still perform

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 16:40pm

If Joy division/new order really finish in the last. I think we will see another British act on there ballot. The Smiths are possible. I do not know the names discussed in the meeting. But I think other than Motorhead/Iron Maiden, there will be 1-2 more British names on the ballot based on historical data.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 16:52pm

Power

I honestly doubt The Smiths will get nominated next year or any year for awhile because no one likes Morrissey because of his far-right politics.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:06pm

K dawg,

As much as I love bad co, thin Lizzy are more important more deserving better, abd more likely. Thin Lizzy got nominated bsck in 2020 when Doobies abd T Rex got inducted. Definitely not just a bone. If they weren't against the doobies + T. rex, then thin Lizzy would've gone in ahead of Motörhead and Soundgarden cause they're a lot less metal than those bands. I still got hope for them cause i absolutely love thin Lizzy

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:09pm

Elle Dee,

Agreed. Smiths are off the table until morrissey dies or his racist shit fades from public view. Also really agreed with the stuff on Kate bush. Terrible people are so tearing her down when Kate was the most desrvinc artist on a ballot of fantastic artists.

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:11pm

Kate Bush making the boys club and corporate record execs seethe LMAO got to love her, pure rock energy

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:13pm

Morrissey is notorious for a long time

I do not see that as a serious issue

If the nomination committee really fears about the politics problem about Morrissey, the Smiths should have no nominations so far. However, they have been nominated twice in 2015 and 2016, which may indicate the hall does not think the problems of Morrissey are very serious.

It is just my own opinion and you can hold your own view lol.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:14pm

Talking about the music history, Thin Lizzy are one of the first bands to use two guitars (the first one is wishbone ash), which deeply influences of the sounds of Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Metallica. Plus, they have influenced U2, the Cure and the Smashing Pumpkins deeply. They have a hit song in America ("The Boys are back in Town"). Hence I think they are on minds of people in nomination committee. I am not sure if they will be rotated with Iron Maiden and Motorhead or they will be treated as classic rock.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:24pm

I forgot about one person, Dick Dale. After Link Wray, I think Dick Dale will be the next product for Little Steven to be inducted for musical influence.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:29pm

If Joy Division/New Order or the Smiths are not nominated in 2024, which means it is very likely that Motorhead/Iron Maiden will be the only British act on the ballot, which does not correspond to the historical nomination class.

If Tears for Fears and Pet Shop Boys will be in the conversation, or Siouxsie and the Banshees?

There are not many names for British new wave / post-punk likely to be recognized by the rock hall.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:35pm

Or if one of Coldplay and Oasis will be nominated in 2024?

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:38pm

Guest

Someone pointed out in the comment section on the rock hall facebook page that out of all the inducted acts of 2023, Kate will be the biggest deal. If she officially confirms that she's going to the ceremony, ticket sales will immediately sold out in 10-15 minutes. I mean, who wouldn't jump at the opportunity to go to the rock hall ceremony for the chance to witness a very rare public appearance of one of music's most mystical creatures.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:43pm

I think the returning nominees from this year that will appear on the ballot next year will be:

Cyndi Lauper
A Tribe Called Quest
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

All of them did well in the official voting this year, so I expect them to all return next year with Cyndi, ATCQ and Zevon getting inducted next year, I don't see Soundgarden, Iron Maiden or Joy Division/New Order returning next year because they all did poorly in the official voting this year so they'll be replaced with other artists in their genres (90's Alternative, Hard Rock/Heavy Metal and 80's New Wave/Alternative) on the ballot next year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:49pm

Elle dee

Not at all true. Rage Against the Machine fans who couldn't see them cause the shows were cancelled are probably gonna buy every ticket in 13 seconds

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:52pm

Mat R

I feel like Kate's fandom are a lot more intense than Rage's fandom. Kate's 2014 concert residency sold out really quick. So much so that Kate added an additional 7 shows.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:58pm

Like it needs to be said there is a good chance rage headline the ceremony.

This year's class really can't contend with rage's live energy (maybe Missy but no one else is close). They play decent chance the room is dead after. On top of that decent chance this will be the final performance they ever do and their fans know it

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 17:59pm

Power,

Coldplay is a lock for induction around next year since they're still among the biggest bands around. They might headline the ceremony too.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 18:05pm

Oasis on the other hand will have a hard time since the Gallagher Brothers don't really get along & they probably won't even show up when it happens.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 18:07pm

Richie, first, your list is not credible as you think, it is not proven and does not have much discussion. If your twitter source is reliable, the source will be noticed by famous hall watchers like Troy Smith and have higher views and hotter discussions.

Then, the possible returning on the ballot does not depend on the performance solely. For example, Kate Bush did not perform well in 2021 and 2022, but she returns on the ballot in 2022 and 2023. Dionne Warwick is very likely to perform better than Kate Bush in both 2021 and 2022 but she does not appear on this year's ballot.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 18:09pm

Elle dee

In the UK not america and I'd add rage final show after a cancelled your will be a bigger deal in America

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 18:10pm

Elle dee

In the UK not america and I'd add rage final show after a cancelled your will be a bigger deal in America

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 18:10pm

Mat R

Yeah, but this will be Kate's first major public appearance in a decade. So of course her being there will overshadow the other inductees, even if she doesn't perform.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 18:12pm

Jordan Einstein,

I think Coldplay will be very likely to be voted once they are nominated. However, I do not know the idea of the nomination committee. After 2010, if one artist is not nominated in the first eligible year, it is not likely it will be nominated in the second eligible year. Coldplay are not nominated in 2023 and I doubt the nomination committee thinks they should be inducted immediately like the White Stripes and Missy Elliott.

But if JD/NO and the Smiths both do not appear on the ballot, I think there must be one British act on the ballot. I think Sade is also a serious contender.

If there are no British new-wave/post-punk acts on the ballot, I think the B-52's will make their first appearance or Devo will return. I am not sure about the case of INXS.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 18:18pm

Elle dee

No. At least not attendance wise. There's a long record of hard rock fandoms really showing up and rage has a lot of hardcore fans who missed them due to cancellation and are fearful this is it.

She also got out covered in the press by Willie

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/9/2023 @ 18:21pm