The 2021 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2021 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were officially announced on Wednesday, February 10th. The 36th annual induction ceremony will be held in Cleveland in the Fall. Here are the 16 nominees:

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Only two nominees from last year on this ballot. Todd Rundgren and Chaka Khan (solo).

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:11am


Definitely the most diverse ballot we've had in a while.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:18am


That's a pretty interesting group of noms. Quick first impressions:

1.) They certainly appear to be aware of the perception that there should be more female and non-white representation in the Hall. 7 of 16 nominees are female and 7 of 16 are black.
2.) Surprising omissions: Pat Benatar, Kraftwerk, Dave Matthews Band
3.) Surprising inclusions: Mary J. Blige (Super happy about that one), Fela Kuti (I'll give a dollar to anyone who predicted that one)
4.) 3 people have a chance to become two-time inductees - Tina Turner, Dave Grohl, and Carol King
5.) Not a very mainstream list. No real classic rock radio staples except for maybe Todd Rundgren. Kinda the opposite of last year's list.

Curious to see what everyone else thinks.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:22am


I am going to post my first predictions for inductions right now, but I have a method for beginning comparisons. Compare the list to last year's list. Find people on the list that could be two-time inductees. While there are three on the list, I'm going with the flow and picking the most popular inductee choice - The Foo Fighters. Now, I'm going to see who was nominated last year. (I am Not including Chaka Kahn). So, that leaves us with Todd Rundgren. Now, I will pick two previously nominated artists. I'm going with Rage Against the Machine and Devo right now. Finally, pick two brand new acts. However, there are only two new acts. I'm going with Jay-Z and leaving spot #6 open.

Posted by Living Stone on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:31am


Rock and roll may not be dead, but the rock and roll HOF is. Boring.

Posted by Mattew Lukasiewicz on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:31am


I'm surprised they nominated Jay-Z and LL Cool J in the same year. I would have thought Jay-Z would have been the lone hip-hop nominee so that he would easily coast in.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:32am


How can you leave off the Super Group " EMERSON, LAKE AND PALMER'? ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING, SOPHISTICATED, KNOWLEDGEABLE AND fantastic musicians from the 70's. They used to fill massive stadiums back in their days and sold million of records. Time to put this group into the R&R Hall of Fame!! Give this group the respect they deserve!!!

Posted by David Fox on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:52am


2022 inductees
1. Josie and the pussycats
2. Jem and the holograms
3. The Beets
4.The Be Sharps
5. The Archies
6. The Beagles
7. The Bedrock rockers
8. The Chipettes

Posted by Mattew Lukasiewicz on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:53am


I have to say I'm disappointed with the ballot. No Bad Company, No Duran Duran, No Judas Priest, No Motley Crue, No Procol Harum, No Soundgarden, etc.
The Committee sure made a yellow brick path for Rage Against The Machine. I don't see much competition for them. In these politically charged times, this could be Rage's Time. Interesting the Committee decided on Devo and The Go-Go's instead of Duran Duran. From their discographies and number of hit songs, I think Duran Duran is more deserving.
Women artists received plenty of attention this cycle. I think we will see a repeat of last year when all those hard rock and metal bands canceled each other out. Instead, it will be with all the women artists. I have no idea who would have an advantage as Carole, Dionne, Tina, etc all have their fans.
My FAV thing is Iron Maiden finally on the ballot. They will receive nearly 100% of the eligible hard rock and metal vote. Go down the list...Black Sabbath, Def Leppard, Guns N Roses, KISS, Metallica, Van Halen. There's been a strong block of British voters voting for British artists. I think Iron Maiden has a good chance.
New York Dolls was the beneficiary of the recent death of popular musician Sylvain Sylvain. It got plenty of attention and that led to many asking why isn't New York Dolls inducted. I would have went with Bad Company, Blue Oyster Cult, or Foreigner.
I really don't like the Todd Rundgren selection. He's been nominated before and doesn't sound that enthusiastic about the nominations. He could benefit on this ballot.
I was wrong about Foo Fighters. They were indeed included on the ballot. Foo Fighters and Jay-Z appear close to locks for Induction. Dave Grohl is well-designed and loved.
Devo is a real Wild Card here. They might receive some support. The Go-Go's are finally here and should be inducted. Looks like the Committee changed out Pat Benatar for Tina Turner. This ballot should be a good puzzle for Roy when he makes out his different classes. I am intrigued by what could happen. LL Cool J has to come through this time. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:55am


Okay, how many of us--like me--had to go on Wikipedia to find out who Feta Kuti was?

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 08:01am


For the record, I got a whopping 3 nominations correct! Tina Turner, Jay-Z, and LL Cool J.

I challenge anyone here to have done worse than that!

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 08:14am


Lol did pretty terribly!

Then again, everyone else did poorly.

I think I can get who will see induction.

1. Foo Fighters-I was wrong. But I was glad I was wrong. FF for the win baby! Slam dunk!

2. Jay-Z-LL Cool J maybe on the ballot, but Jay-Z will straight up slaughter him. FYE

3. Iron Maiden-No competition, so it makes an easy path for them

4. Carole King-Having the only diamond record of all the nominees really helps as The Dude stated and it seems the Hall wants to target these specific acts. Double Inductee as well.

5. Tina Turner-Make up with Ike Turner (Despite being a huge part with her career). She seem like a slam dunk and should have been the first woman double inductee.

6. RATM-Three times is twice the charm no doubt for them and because we live in hard times, they will definitely deliver! They probably might cancel some votes for Foo Fighters, but I think two are pretty separate enough from each other's era that it won't matter.

So in conclusion...
Two FYE
Two FYN
Two Previous nominees

And three double inductees!!!!!! Woo Hoo!

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 08:36am


Here are the nominees, with their number of nominations and years of eligibility. (Hopefully the math is accurate.)

NOTE: There were no new nominees in 2020, thus even though it's 26 years since the first Foo Fighters and Jay-Z first record, it's still the acts' first year of eligibility. Carole King was eligible prior to the start of the Rock Hall; thus, her first year of eligibility would be the Hall's first year (as it would be for acts in similar scenarios).

* Mary J. Blige- first nomination; fifth year of eligibility
* Kate Bush- second nomination; 19th year of eligibility
* Devo- second nomination; 20th year of eligibility
* Foo Fighters- first nomination; first year of eligibility
* The Go-Go's- first nomination; 17th year of eligibility
* Iron Maiden- first nomination; 18th year of eligibility
* Jay-Z- first nomination; first year of eligibility
* Chaka Khan- third solo nomination; 19th year of eligibility
* Fela Kuti- first nomination; 26th year of eligibility
* LL Cool J- sixth nomination; 13th year of eligibility
* New York Dolls- second nomination; 24th year of eligibility
* Carole King- second nomination; 36th year of eligibility
* Rage Against the Machine- third nomination; fifth year of eligibility
* Todd Rundgren- third nomination; 27th year of eligibility
* Tina Turner- first solo nomination; 24th year of eligibility
* Dionne Warwick- first nomination; 34th year of eligibility

Posted by Jim R. on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 08:40am


Wow, I was wrong about so much, but I am glad as hell to be wrong.

First off, I decided to learn about the nominations by reacting along with the Who Cares... podcast. Would recommend, it definitely beat just reading the list all at once.

I'm absolutely thrilled to see many of the longtime snubs among women and people of color on the ballot, and I'm just overjoyed that we get a ballot with Rage Against the Machine, Devo, Kate Bush, Chaka Khan, and Tina Turner. Shocked that Kraftwerk and Pat Benatar didn't make the ballot, but some of the artists that did pop up more than made up for it. I've got to admit, I know very little about Fela Kuti, so I have to make an effort to listen to his work coming up. This ballot will piss off a lot of white rockist boomer guys, which is Good, and I am excited to watch.

As for predictions, I'm just gonna walk through my thought process for a bit here and get to my answer.

So we start with 16 nominees. I think that Tina Turner is an absolute lock, I have no doubt in my mind that she will be inducted in this class. I think this means that Mary J Blige and Chaka Khan do not get in, and probably Dionne Warwick as well.

I think that Kate Bush and Fela Kuti will probably not come close to the amount of votes needed to get in. Iron Maiden maybe has a shot, having a somewhat clear metal lane, but given how poorly Judas Priest has apparently done in the voting, I'm not sure I see Maiden doing much better.

Jay-Z seems close to a lock, though LL being on the ballot could complicate it. I think when it comes down to it, Jay-Z gets in, LL Cool J does not.

I think Carole King is also extremely likely. There may be some vote splitting with Dionne but I think she is just too big of a figure not to get the votes.

Todd Rundgren is sort of the sole mainline "classic rock" act on the ballot, which I think works in his favor quite a bit.

The Go-Go's seem to have the momentum, and also have the 80s new wavey pop rock lane to themselves. They're in.

Foo Fighters and RATM will be battling it out for votes, but I think RATM's critical acclaim and socio-political relevance will win out, while there doesn't seem to be as much urgency for the Foo Fighters.

Devo and New York Dolls both seem somewhat out there, but I think both could pick up a lot of the votes that ushered some of the classic alternative acts in recently. I think in a head to head, New York Dolls probably take it.

So in all, I would say that my initial predictions are:
1. Tina Turner
2. Jay-Z
3. Carole King
4. Todd Rundgren
5. The Go-Go's
6. Rage Against the Machine
If 7: New York Dolls

Excited to hear what you all think!

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 08:57am


I don't know if I have been less excited about a list of nominees.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 08:59am


First, as far as who is here on the list. I don't really care about many these artists. I don't dislike them, just...indifferent. But a few thoughts. First, glad to finally see Tina Turner nominated on her own. I have argued that should happen for over a decade. With all due respect to Stevie Nicks, Tina should have been the first double female inductee. I love Devo, but beyond their groundbreaking debut album, I'm not sure on their worthiness for HoF. I'll support them because I do love them personally, and perhaps one really important album is enough if some of their other albums were good and of their time and had some hits. Iron Maiden: I'm not a fan, but they should have been in long ago (along with Judas Priest). Foo Fighters works. I love Kate Bush. Jay-Z should get in. I guess Fela Kuti was the left field pick this time. I really like Kuti's work a lot, and it actually has had a lot of influence. So even though not a household name in the U.S., I wouldn't argue against his worthiness. But not going to happen. His nomination was his reward, I think. That does open up an interesting question as to world music artists in general.
The rest...meh.

But again, I must remind people of artists still not in: Duran Duran, King Crimson, Link Wray, Big Star, Judas Priest, Ozzy Osbourne solo, Jethro Tull, ELP, Joy Division/New Order, Replacements, Smiths, Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Brian Eno, Kraftwerk...

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 09:27am


RG,

That's pretty close to what I think too. My initial thoughts are:

1. Jay-Z - Should be a lock.
2. Tina Turner - Voters will look at her name and won't believe she's not already inducted.
3. Carole King - See Tina Turner.
4. RATM - They're the right nominee at the right time.
5. The Go-Go's - This year is their best chance.
6. Foo Fighters - They might fall short but I think they're too big too miss.
7. Iron Maiden - I hope they get in. I'll be voting for them. But metal has a hard time.
8. Todd Rundgren - Seems like a perennial just-missed kinda candidate.
9. LL Cool J - My personal biggest snub and I unfortunately think he gets snubbed again.
10. Chaka Khan - Might sneak in, but the black female vote might be split, making it tough for her.
11. New York Dolls - It'd be cool if they made it though.
12. Devo - Probably considered a one-hit wonder by a lot of voters.
13. Dionne Warwick - See Chaka Khan.
14. Kate Bush - She's a super dark horse candidate but I don't see it happening
15. Mary J. Blige - This is probably a little too soon but her time will come in a few years.
16. Fela Kuti - It's an honor just to be nominated.

My personal votes will probably go to Jay-Z, Tina Turner, LL Cool J, Iron Maiden, and Foo Fighters, with Carole King and Rage just missing for me.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 09:28am


There's no need to get so hysterical and emotional here. Control yourselves!

Posted by FAJB on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 09:31am


What an interesting list. I am actually surprised at how many women are on here. I'm so so happy about Kate Bush! She's by farrrrr the most deserving artist on the ballot but I'm worried that with other female snubs like Carole King or Tina Turner the American boomer voters are going to opt for them instead. I'm sure this list will piss off those pretentious "hall of shame" rock elitists because their favorite one-hit wonder band from the 70s didn't get a nomination and I'm happy about that tbh. I do still think there are some obvious snubs not on here (i.e. The Smiths) but I guess this is just the hall playing catch-up on a huge backlog of artists.

Posted by Christian on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 09:35am


Michael W - I predicted Fela! You can just put my dollar in a donation box for a good charity. I'm pretty sure at least one of the Hall bloggers also had him on their list. He just is too big of a name around the world with massive influence on numerous genres of music; he was bound to get a nomination some day.

I'll have more comments later; this is an interesting ballot. It's like they deliberately filled it with acts that the main voting block has often snubbed - heavy on women, metal, R&B, and Rap

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 10:04am


Here are the standings for the Fan Vote so far and they are:

16. Fela Kuti
15. Jay-Z
14. Mary J. Blige
13. LL Cool J
12. Kate Bush
11. New York Dolls
10. Chaka Khan
9. Dionne Warwick
8. Devo
7. Rage Against The Machine
6. Todd Rundgren
5. The Go-Go's
4. Iron Maiden
3. Carole King
2. Foo Fighters
1. Tina Turner

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 10:23am


Alright, time for some statistics!

Nominees by Origin
New York, NY - Jay-Z, Carole King, LL Cool J, New York Dolls, Dionne Warwick [Newark, NJ], Mary J Blige
Los Angeles, CA - Rage Against the Machine, The Go-Go's
London, UK - Iron Maiden, Kate Bush
Chicago, IL - Chaka Khan
St Louis, MO - Tina Turner
Seattle, WA - Foo Fighters
Philadelphia, PA - Todd Rundgren
Akron, OH - Devo
Lagos, Nigeria - Fela Kuti (Would be the first inductee based in Nigeria, as well as Africa as a whole)

Monthly Spotify Listeners
Jay-Z - 19,395,651
Foo Fighters - 14,157,682 (They released an album this week, so these numbers are somewhat higher than their baseline)
Tina Turner - 11,031,863
Rage Against the Machine - 7,157,331
Mary J Blige - 6,709,370
Iron Maiden - 5,820,504
Chaka Khan - 4,237,002
Carole King - 3,806,340
Kate Bush - 3,742,797
Dionne Warwick - 3,026,353
LL Cool J - 2,834,346
The Go-Go's - 1,888,496
Devo - 1,413,062
Todd Rundgren - 1,314,171
Fela Kuti - 583,896
New York Dolls - 275,355

Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Albums [2020 Update] Appearances
Carole King - 25. "Tapestry"
Jay-Z - 50. "The Blueprint", 67. "Reasonable Doubt"
Kate Bush - 68. "Hounds of Love"
Mary J Blige - 126. "My Life", 271. "What's the 411?"
Rage Against the Machine - 221. "Rage Against the Machine"
LL Cool J - 246. "Mama Said Knock You Out"
Devo - 252. "Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!"
New York Dolls - 301. "New York Dolls"
Todd Rundgren - 396. "Something/Anything?"
The Go-Go's - 400. "Beauty and the Beat"
Fela Kuti - 402. "Expensive Shit"
Chaka Khan - 499. "Ask Rufus" (I'll count it since Rufus isn't in either and they'll likely only ever induct one)
Tina Turner - Only Appears w/ Ike
Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick - No Appearances

Billboard Top 40 Single Hits
Jay-Z - 49 Top 40, 21 Top 10, 4 #1 Hits (Empire State of Mind, Heartbreaker, Crazy in Love, Umbrella)
Dionne Warwick - 29 Top 40, 10 Top 10, 2 #1 Hits (Then Came You, That's What Friends Are For)
Mary J Blige - 22 Top 40, 6 Top 10, 1 #1 Hit (Family Affair)
LL Cool J - 17 Top 40, 9 Top 10, 1 #1 Hit (All I Have)
Carole King - 14 Top 40, 4 Top 10, 1 #1 Hit (It's Too Late)
Tina Turner - 13 Top 40, 6 Top 10, 1 #1 Hit (What's Love Got to Do With It)
Chaka Khan - 6 Top 40, 2 Top 10, 1 #1 Hit (Higher Love)
Todd Rundgren - 6 Top 40, 1 Top 10 Hit (Hello It's Me)
The Go-Go's - 5 Top 40, 2 Top 10 Hits (We Got the Beat, Vacation)
Foo Fighters - 3 Top 40 Hits (Learn To Fly, Best of You, The Pretender)
Devo - 1 Top 40 Hit (Whip It)
Kate Bush - 1 Top 40 Hit (Running Up That Hill)
Fela Kuti, Iron Maiden, New York Dolls, Rage Against the Machine - No Songs Charted in the US Top 40

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 10:50am


So Jay-Z is the biggest singles act, but who is the biggest albums act? With the possible exception of DMB the biggest albums act always gets inducted. Is it split by charts and sales again?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 11:07am


Here are the current standings in the online fan vote for the 2021 class:

16. Fela Kuti
15. Mary J. Blige
14. Jay-Z
13. LL Cool J
12. Kate Bush
11. New York Dolls
10. Chaka Khan
9. Dionne Warwick
8. Devo
7. Rage Against The Machine
6. Todd Rundgren
5. The Go-Go's
4. Iron Maiden
3. Carole King
2. Foo Fighters
1. Tina Turner

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 11:10am


We at least have one deceased act or ones with deceased members in the class. Who's gonna be?

Fela Kuti
New York Dolls (Everyone, but David Johansson)
Devo (Bob Casale and Alan Meyers)
Iron Maiden (Clive Burr)

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 11:23am


You people are severely underestimating the induction potential of Fela Kuti. I get that he had no USA media or radio presence, thus had virtually no pop cult ID here. Basically he has the importance of Kraftwerk, but in this case every living HOF musician of the 70s that might not have liked Kraftwerk's weird electronic approach openly worships Fela for his innovative musicianship, sophisticated compositions, and awe inspiring live performances; music historians and critics also worship him. He's as important in Worldwide music as Bob Marley.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 11:32am


That last post by the way was from me. I forgot to put my usual FRL alias on it. Guess my real ID is now out there.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 11:47am


Fela Kuti and New York Dolls probably might be the dark horse of these nominations. Anyone get that feeling as well?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 11:49am


Follower,

I think the top albums artist is also Jay-Z. 17 Platinum Albums, 14 of which were #1 on the US charts, and 10 of which are multi-Platinum. That level of success is just staggering.

Carole King's Tapestry should be the highest selling individual album, though.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 11:54am


Yes, King has the highest selling single album on the list. Tapestry has sold 25 million copies.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:04pm


I totally agree, Plebian.

I think New York Dolls are definitely in the conversation. They'll pick up a lot of votes from the people who voted for other recent classic alternative artists - T Rex, Roxy Music, Kraftwerk, MC5, among others. The fact that their only real competition for votes is Devo will also be helpful. I think a lot of the older voters will gravitate towards them, but I wonder if their lower profile and lack of output compared to some of those other artists might hurt. I currently have them at #7 on my initial prediction.

Fela Kuti is a true wildcard. Shrek, I totally see your argument. He may do great as a musician's musician and a critic's pick, but not as well with the populists.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:09pm


Quick thoughts before I get other stuff out of the way this morning and do a full rundown.

- I'll dig up the Whitburn albums book for a comparison ranking based on that since some people are asking for it.

- I think users here are on the same general page about who will get inducted. Jay-Z, Foo Fighters and Carole King are locks and Tina solo is about as close as you can get to one (I'll get to WHY she shouldn't be considered a lock or even a worthy inductee later). Lots of people saying Maiden as well and I totally see it. They have absolutely ZERO competition in both the hard rock and classic rock lanes.

If there's a sixth inductee, I'm thinking Devo. There's basically no other key rock act on the ballot from the 80s/90s other than Foo Fighters (Rage was its own niche thing). So not only does that get Devo a LOT of votes from people wanting to vote for RAWK bands, but they also are the key representative of the now very electable group that includes Roxy Music, Radiohead, The Cure and Depeche Mode. So, like Maiden, Devo has a pretty clear lane.

- And as you can see from my expected inductees, the black and/or female noms will basically cancel each other out, four white performers and four male performers would make up the inductees.

- Fela Kuti stands ridiculously tall over everyone else on this list. It's not even close. Perhaps a Musical Excellence award is on the horizon.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:19pm


- Oh and predicting the fan vote Top 5. Foo Fighters top it due to lack of competition with "classic rock" Maiden being the runner-up. Rundgren and King are classic rock adjacent enough. It's the fifth spot that is a real wild card and I'll go with Devo.

- In the past, a lot of people have wrongfully labeled the voters eventual choices for induction and poor fan reaction to the ballot on racism and misogyny. Untrue. But for this ballot? VERY true!

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:24pm


Fela Kuti, New York Dolls, Kate Bush and Iron Maiden are an easy top four for me. So many choices for that fifth spot, though.

Overall, a solid but unspectacular ballot. No real facepalm nominees this year.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:26pm


- It's funny because the ballot is BUILT to ensure a woman or POC gets the sixth slot if there is one. Once you count Jay-Z, Foo Fighters and King as locks, there's no way to get to #6 without doing so unless Devo/Dolls/Maiden all get in.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:29pm


Here we go again another year and another snub year for Three Dog Night. This band is far and above any of the other bands that were nominated as far as number one hits, popularity and success. They are overlooked every single year and I find it appalling. They are well deserving and well overdo for the a nomination.

Posted by Neil on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:29pm


Blige- Hell no
Kate Bush- I know almost nothing
Devo- please oh please
Foo Fighters- would be nice
The Go Gos- they had like one hit
Iron Maiden- absolutely
Jay Z- absolutely not
Chaka Khan- Either induct her or stop nominating
Carole King- Blech
Fela- I know nothing
LL Cool J- too many rappers already, so no
New York Dolls- If they have to have a glam act
Rage Against the Machine- they already have the Beastie Boys
Todd Rundgren- I know little
Tina Turner- Not needed
Dionne Warwick- Had to do research but ok

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:31pm


- I stand corrected. Rundgren. So, in theory, voters could select three or four of Rundgren/Devo/Dolls/Maiden after the three, in my opinion, locks - King, Jay and Foo. So, there still is potential for white guitar acts to crash the party. Unlikely though.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:31pm


Where is Three Dog Night AGAIN?! Another year, another undeserved snub

Posted by Mary on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:31pm


Still processing this nominee list like everyone else. Early thoughts...

1. This is a surprising non-populist ballot. Casual music listeners might not be able to place even half the names. I have not discussed this ballot with my wife yet but I can guarantee there are at least five names she would have no idea about.

It is a ballot that is going to provoke quite a bit of reaction from people. Personally I think it is a welcome change highlighting several neglected genres. After years of limited female artists the lid was blown off today. Good.

2. Several personal favorites are on this ballot, including Carole King, Iron Maiden, Kate Bush and New York Dolls. Really happy to see all of the first-timers. Very few acts from last year's ballot on this one (only two, if you count Chaka). This highlights how many acts really belong in the hall.

3. Biggest surprises for me are LL Cool J, Dionne Warwick and Fela Kuti (Full disclosure: I do know who he is due to an uncle who is a huge world music fan. Not very familiar with his work, however). For the few hall watchers who predicted his nomination kudos. I did not think LL Cool J would be added to the ballot with Jay-Z, but maybe that works to his advantage. I had basically written off Warwick as a lost cause.

4. Not throwing out any predictions yet. Too early for me. I do think Jay-Z and Foo Fighters are slam dunk inductees.

5. Personal choices if I had a ballot: Carole King, New York Dolls, Kate Bush and Jay-Z. Fifth choice would destroy me, but probably between Tina and Iron Maiden.

6. I've always believed a person's opinion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame can be summed up by their reaction to one statement: "Boston is not in the rock and roll hall of fame." This ballot skews far away from the classic rock world, for better or worse. Personally I think Boston should be in, but I don't lose sleep over it.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:36pm


It seems the older bands are being overlooked and pushed aside for new bands and rappers. Someone said Three Dog Night and Boston, two highly successful bands from the 70's that should have been inducted years ago. Bad Company, Doobie Brothers. Are they kidding me? Are they waiting for all these bandmembers to die off so they can do induct them post mortem?

Posted by Roger on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:47pm


- Roger, Doobie Brothers were inducted last year.

- You have to wonder if someone like Dionne Warwick (who won't get in) could have got in when they had those sleazy 9 artist ballots which basically consisted of the nominating committee shoving inductions to whomever they pleased. If Darlene Love got in, then Warwick probably would have as well.

- And Dionne Warwick is the only 60s representation here. Crazy! That's why they need to either flesh out the singles category more (with actual rules) or start having a veteran's committee type ballot. The Monkees and Love are the only 50s/60s acts remaining that I think can actually get the votes for induction.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:52pm


- Wouldn't it be some kind of BS if they decided to only have five inductees from such a diverse ballot? Effectively denying what likely would have been a female and/or black inductee for the sixth (or seventh) slot?

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:54pm


So I come on here a lot but never have posted before and I think I finally should this ballot is very interesting definitely left field but I think we may have a 8 artist class.

1) Jay z- love it or hate it he's a lock.
2) rage against the machine- I think Dave is gonna try and get foo to wait I hope and rage should be in before them anyway.
3) Tina turner- should've been the first 2 time female inductee but no matter what she's in.
4) Carole king- so overdue and she highly deserves it
5) Iron Maiden- they itch that classic rock and metal itch and they r highly popular I think they glid in.
6) Todd rundgren- he has to be so close and I think 3rd time in a row is the charm.
7) the go go's- they scratch a few itches a 80s group, all female group and a new wave.
And finally I see fela Kuti as a early influence.

So whatya guys think?

Posted by Tylerpadre on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:57pm


Casper

Dionne Warwick is getting in in 2021, with Tina Turner and Carole King. Warwick has a lot of support from past inductees who will be voting for her.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 13:01pm


Casper..sorry! I forgot the Doobies went in last year. What about Dave Matthews Band? There are a lot of 50s 60s and 70s bands that are being completely overlooked and I'm beginning to wonder how old some of these people on the committee are. Do they even know who Three Dog Night is? Kool and the Gang?

Posted by Roger on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 13:02pm


I'll throw this out there right now:
There's only going to be 5 inductees from this year's list so they can leave time on the program for Depeche Mode and the Doobie Brothers to perform after getting cheated out of the chance last year.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 13:11pm


Roger, if anything, the nominating committee has skewed super old. They are clearly slighting 90s acts (and previously - and now - 80s acts) because a lot of them are too focused on inducting their own childhood heroes. There's basically nobody on the committee young enough to have been a teenager buying albums by Beck, Bjork, Smashing Pumpkins, etc.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 13:40pm


Only potential snubbed bandmembers would come from Foo Fighters.

William Goldsmith (Drums, 1995-97)
Franz Stahl (Guitar, 1997-99)

Maaaaaybe someone could make a case for Blaze Bayley being Iron Maiden's frontman during a very forgettable period in the late 90s.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 13:49pm


Other members of Go-Gos and Maiden were their prior to or after their recording careers. Thus, they would not be snubs.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 13:50pm


Shrek,

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2021/01/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-confirms-induction-schedule-lays-out-2021-plans.html.

Greg Harris said that the 2021 ceremony will only focus on this year's inductees and will not celebrate the Class of 2020, so I think there'll be at least 6 inductees this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 14:13pm


I don't know why we follow that Bill Wyman (Not The Rolling Stones member) guy, seems like a pretentious dirtbag with his opinions.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 14:55pm


Tina Turner is winning the fan vote. Let's hope that once is an accident.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 15:28pm


Now that the 2021 nominees have been announced, Which 5-7 acts do you guys see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 15:38pm


Is it just me, Why is Joe Cocker not there

Posted by Rjleo2@aol.com on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 15:39pm


I'll give my full take on 2021 on Friday. I'm tired right now.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 15:42pm


Richie,

I posted my initial reactions this morning, but to repost now that things have settled slightly:

1. Tina Turner - LOCK
2. Jay-Z - LOCK
3. Carole King - LOCK
4. Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote
5. The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80s pop rock vote
6. Rage Against the Machine OR Foo Fighters - I'm 50/50 here, I'm certain that one but not both of these artists will make it. Both have strong points in their favor. Let's debate.

If 7. New York Dolls - Classic alternative has had some success recently

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 15:53pm


Ritchie,

Here is mine if you did not see it.

1. Foo Fighters
2. Jay-Z
3. Tina Turner
4. Carole King
5. Iron Maiden
If 6: Rage Against The Machine
If 7: New York Dolls

RG,

I believe FF and RATM are different enough from each other's era that it won't matter. Question is, how will Dave and Tom decide who goes first?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 16:15pm


As of 5:15 (not The Who song, but the minute) PM on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, here is the leaderboard of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame fan vote for the Class of 2021.

Top Five Artists

1. Tina Turner, with 7,819 votes
2. Foo Fighters, with 6,028 votes
3. Carole King, with 5,409 votes
4. Iron Maiden, with 5,011 votes
5. The Go-Gos, with 4,628 votes

6. Rage Against the Machine, with 3,797 votes
7. Todd Rundgren, with 3,522 votes
8. Devo, with 3,281 votes
9. Dionne Warwick, with 3,216 votes
10. Chaka Khan, with 2,704 votes
11. New York Dolls, with 2,256 votes
12. Kate Bush, with 2,090 votes
13. LL Cool J, with 1,742 votes
14. Jay-Z, with 1,733 votes
15. Mary J. Blige, with 1,624 votes
16. Fela Kuti, with 719 votes

Total Votes: 55,579 votes

* I will start a series dedicated to each of these nominees. Part One - Mary J. Blige, is coming in the next three hours.

Posted by Living Stone on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 16:25pm


Once again the hall of fame proves it is an absolute joke ! Despite claims to the contrary, nominations go to who sells the most records and has the most influence on the nominating committee.

Posted by John on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 16:25pm


I really want to see Dionne Warwick inducted.

Posted by Chris on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 16:28pm


My prediction right now is:

Foo Fighter
Go-Gos
Jay-Z
Carole King
New York Dolls
Tina Turner

If seven, Rage Against the Machine
Eight, Dionne Warwick

Posted by Zack F on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 16:38pm


What a surprising list.

Who will likely be inducted of these:

Jay-Z- LOCK
Foo Fighters- LOCK
Tina Turner
the Go-Go's
Iron Maiden- LOCK ( lack of competition from other hard rockers other than RATM
would make them a lock, I think
Kate Bush- lack of any real alternative artists (other than Devo) will help her

Who I would vote for from this list:

Kate Bush- there is genius, and then there's Kate Bush. Side two of Hounds of Love
(the side without the hits) one of the best album sides ever, up there with Side 2
of Abbey Road and both sides of Dark Side of the Moon.
Iron Maiden
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
Chaka Khan
Dionne Warwick

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 16:47pm


I have not seen too many regular's comments on here.. Are you guys in shock? Not that any of these nominated are not worthy of the honor, but the omissions are stinging.. No Prog Rock again! Enig must be fuming.. Did they go overboard on the Classic Rock/Hard Rock/ Metal last year to virtually eliminate it, and just throw some Iron Maiden red meat out there?
Can they get any more circumspect than to just placate the obvious? With Foo Fighters, RATM, and Jay Z..(Ho Hum..zzz.)
Some have been overlooked for quite awhile, and should already be in..(Carole King, LL Cool J, Tina Turner, Todd Rundgren).
But where is Kraftwerk? OK, if you think giving them a break is good. Same with Rufus w/Chaka Khan.. understood.
What I cannot fathom is snubbing fantastic bands like Jethro Tull, Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Bad Company, for the Classic Rock era, and Soundgarden and Smashing Pumpkins for 90's Rock, and DMB fans will be outraged..

I do like the nominations of New York Dolls, Devo, The Go-Go's, and LL Cool J for some variety of substance, but the rest is highly generic, with no real risk taking, and unfortunately, a bit boring for me. But I suppose it seems they have decided to go the safe and sure route this time.. save the excitement and go for the tried and true, no matter how down the middle and par for the course it may be..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 16:51pm


Maiden, King, Turner and Foo Fighters are the top four predicted on here AND are also the top four in the fan vote. And we all know Jay-Z is getting in.

To reiterate, it's really just the (maybe) 6th and (maybe) 7th slots where the inductee list could get real interesting. Fela Kuti, Todd Rundgren and Chaka Khan also each have a strong Musical Excellence induction case (so don't rule that out!)

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 16:53pm


Feel like Todd is gonna be ME in a few months...

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 16:57pm


Alright rock & roll comrades, the nominees for class of 2021 is finally here & it's really diverse this time, so here's my objective rankings as always & I'll give out my thoughts as well.

Mary J. Blige - 8/10
I'm pretty much shocked that she's finally got nominated for the first time as she's one of the most successful & important artists in the R&B field. So I don't mime if she gets inducted.
Kate Bush - 7/10
I'm so suprised that she's been nominated once again, as much as she deserves it I think she might have to wait a little longer. If she's gets inducted then have 2x Hall of Famer Peter Gabriel be a presenter.
Devo - 7/10
With The Cure & Depeche Mode recently being inducted I think this might be their year. They're one of the most well-known bands in the 80's with their sound & their song Whip It. But they shouldn't be in before Kraftwerk which they got left out this time.
Foo Fighters - 8/10
They're a lock for induction this year & Dave Grohl would become the 24th artist to be inducted twice. They really stand out in the 90's like the ones that got inducted.
The Go - Go's - 7/10
There has been a buzz about their upcoming nomination due to the documentary movie about them last year & they pretty much have a chance to earn induction.
Iron Maiden - 8/10
A lot of rock purists wanted more metal bands to be in the RRHOF & Iron Maiden is one of them. With that said they should deserve to be in but DEFINITELY not before Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy & Motorhead which they got left out this year as well.
Jay - Z - 10/10
He's definitely a lock for induction despite what many rock purists would say about it. He's one of the most influential artists of the 90's & beyond.
Chaka Khan - 7/10
I like her music as solo & with Rufus but she might fell short of the list of those who should get inducted but definitely not a borderline candidate.
Carole King - 5/10
She's hasn't done anything significantly important further than having a biggest album of 1971 or 72 & writing songs for or with other artists but she got inducted as AMA recipient so I don't see her getting inducted the second time.
Fela Kuti - N/A
Literally don't have thoughts on him so I don't mind if he gets inducted or not.
LL Cool J - 8/10
I'm so pleasantly suprised that another rap artist is getting nominated alongside Jay - Z & with him being a lock for induction I think LL might not get it this time but that doesn't stop him from having influence & success.
New York Dolls - 7/10
With British glam legends Roxy Music & T. Rex recently being inducted I think they might have a shot for induction despite being nominated previously a long time ago.
Rage Against the Machine - 8/10
With induction of Nine Inch Nails last year, this might be a year for RATM especially there's a lot of things changing this year in the U.S.
Todd Rundgren - 7/10
This is his third nomination & I would rather see him getting in as Award For Musical Excellence.
Tina Turner - 10/10
She's queen of Rock & Roll. Let her in this year! Influence, innovation, cultural impact, critical acclaim etc: all check!
Dionne Warwick - N/A
I'm so shocked & suprised that she's getting nominated for the first time especially after one of her relatives got inducted last year & that's Whitney Houston. She might be a long shot but definitely worthy of the honor.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 16:59pm


An unusual, if interesting list of nominees to say the least. Some of my initial, scattered thoughts:

-King feels like the lockiest lock to ever lock, and it's well deserved. Tina's also up there. Here's hoping they don't screw that up.

-Iron Maiden is probably my favorite act of this bunch and they're in my top 3 of biggest omissions along with Kraftwerk and Joy Division.

-RATM feels like they have a good chance this year too.

-FYE's Foo Fighters and Jay-Z are worthy obviously (every nominee is) but I can't say that I'm too excited about either of them.

-It's disappointing to not see Kraftwerk again. I'm hoping the break will be helpful towards their chances.

-While I'm not sure if Dionne Warwick will get in this year, I do think it'll do wonders for her chances in our Rock Hall Projected project. She's the only nominee not yet inducted (Kuti's in as an influence and Rundgren is in as Non-Performer) and has been a perennial bridesmaid for the past few years. It also wouldn't be the first time that a real life Hall of Fame nomination would help bump the longtime Projected nominee into induction, as we've seen with Bad Brains.

-With Tina, Carole, & Dionne all nominated, maybe the hall can take another look at longtime snubs Connie Francis, Petula Clark, or Lesley Gore?

-With Carole's new nomination (her first was way back in 1989) maybe the hall can give another look to Ben E. King someday?

-I liked someone's idea of Fela Kuti as a Musical Excellence candidate.

-I don't want Chaka Khan to get in this year. I want to see her get inducted with Rufus and it'd feel like a (less extreme) Nile Rodgers/Chic situation.

-Kate Bush would be a cool induction, but I don't see it happening. Then again, Laura Nyro got in and she feels like a weirder choice than Bush.

-I'd love to see the Go-Go's, NY Dolls, Devo, & LL Cool J get in but it just doesn't feel like their year again.

-I sincerely hope they induct more than 5. Go for 7, hell even go for 8. Get half the ballot in and the mountainous backlog will start to clear.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 17:16pm


Steve Z,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 17:21pm


Wow there's a ton to unpack here. Just surprised I haven't seen a full boomer meltdown with 40 names in all caps of one or two hit wonders on radio playlists

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 17:26pm


The Breakdown
A Companion Series to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2021 Nominees

Part One - Mary J. Blige

Mary Jane Blige was born in January 11, 1971, in New York, New York. In 1991, Blige was signed to Uptown Records, founded by rapper Andre Harrell. Uptown Records signed R&B and hip hop artists, and would later sign 2020 Inductee Biggie Smalls, or the Notorious B. I. G. Blige's debut album, What's the 411, would be her first of eight albums to sell over 100,000 copies, and sold 300,000 copies overall. The follow-up album, My Life, was voted in #126 on Rolling Stone's Greatest Albums of All Time List. It also sold 300,000 copies. Of her 13 albums, 8 have gone multi-platinum, selling 50 grand albums in the US and 80 grand worldwide. She has won over fifteen music awards and at least three acting awards. And that leads us to her chances of induction:

Less than 5%

As much as she is liked among the Greg Harrises of our world, she does have a slim chance. Fela Kuti has a bigger chance than her.

Posted by Living Stone on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 17:49pm


Here is my tier rating of all the nominees so far
(Judging on discography, innovation, cultural impact, and influence)
S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

Jay-Z-A
Kate Bush-B
Rage Against the Machine-B
LL Cool J-B
Devo-B
Foo Fighters-B
New York Dolls-B
Tina Turner-B (I agree with Caspar, a lot to be desired in a weak discography regardless of race and gender)
Fela-B
Todd Rundgren-C (Seriously am I the only one that sees him as ME this year in a few months?!)
Carole King-C
Mary J. Blige-C
Chaka Khan-C
Dionne Warwick-C
The Go-Go's-D

RG, K-Dawg, Michael W, The Dude, etc..

Your opinions? I hope I don't hurt too much of your feelings.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 17:51pm


Casper,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 18:19pm


Rage Against the Machine - heavy prog
Devo - new wave prog adjacent
Todd Rundgren - prog
Chaka Khan - soul prog
Iron Maiden - metal prog
Foo Fighters - prog adjacent
Mary J. Blige - diva prog
Tina Turner - just prog
Dionne Warwick - most prog of all
Kate Bush - prog adjacent
New York Dolls - make-up prog
Jay-Z - rap prog
LL Cool J - proto-rap prog
The Go-Gos - prog adjacent
Fela Kuti - african prog
Carole King - space prog

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 18:28pm


I'll fire off my ratings of the nominees too.

S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

Jay-Z - A (And I wouldn't argue with him being an S)
Foo Fighters - B
LL Cool J - B
Mary J. Blige - B (Her impact is underrated)
New York Dolls - B (Just barely)
Iron Maiden - C (Almost a B)
Carole King - C
Tina Turner - C
Rage Against The Machine - C
Fela Kuti - C
Kate Bush - C
Go-Go's - C
Chaka Khan - C
Todd Rudngren - C
Devo - C (Just barely)
Dionne Warwick - D

I get why they did what they did, but in general it's a pretty uninspiring group for me.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 18:39pm


I was looking at the decade breakdown of the nominees. Some are difficult to place in one decade but this is how I see them.
60s-1 Dionne Warwick

70s-5 Chaka Khan, Fela Kuti, Carole King, New York Dolls and Todd Rundgren

80s-6 Devo, Go-Gos, Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, LL Cool J and Tina Turner

90s-4 Mary J. Blige, Rage Against the Machine, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z

Thoughts:
Kind of surprised there are almost as many 70s acts as 80s ones. The 80s have always been shorted in my opinion. Casper is right; the committee is still veering old.

Only one 60s act. Barring some special committee for oldies acts I guess I need to accept that pre-70s is over.

I'm fine with 90s acts and have no real problem with any of them (although I feel Rage is overrated). But are these really the 4 most necessary acts from the decade? Not even close. The 90s are a real mess right now.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 18:41pm


The Dude,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 18:51pm


- remy10, it's clear that the nominating committee just has its own dumb biases when it comes to the 90s. They are overlooking SO much great music. They really SHOULD have some white dudes on the committee in their thirties, because as of right now, there is nobody in that room to bat for Beck, Bjork, Smashing Pumpkins, Alice in Chains, Pavement, Pixies, Oasis, Weezer, etc. This is what happens when your nom com members are virtually all above the age of 50 and the youngest are women. They need younger voices on that committee who actually lived through the 90s and beyond as kids/teenagers.

- richie, I have posted multiple times about my inductee guess. Top four on here and in that fan vote are Carole King, Tina Turner, Foo Fighters and Iron Maiden (the latter has a great induction path given the names on the ballot). Then there's Jay-Z who we all know gets in (#5 in the FRL poll).

So my only real guesses are for the 6th slot (if it happens). I choose Devo as the Roxy/Depeche/Cure choice. If there's 7, I think Rundgren will have it as he's classic rock adjacent and has probably come fairly close recently.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 18:54pm


Frankly, keep the committee numbers the same but replace the 60+ year old white guys with 30+ year old white guys and I think we would have a committee without any blind spots. At this juncture, the old white dude fogeys clearly aren't having much of a say, anyway, if this ballot is anything to go off of. Better to have someone in the room arguing for Weezer than for Tommy James & the Shondells...

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 18:57pm


Also, it's absolutely fine for people to give Tina Turner or Carole King low grades or rankings or whatever. If these nominations truly are to represent their solo careers, then nothing Carole did in the 60s is relevant (except covering her own songs on some of the solo LPs) and nothing Tina did with Ike is relevant.

And when you look at it through that lens (as you should), then their cases aren't as strong for induction.

King totally deserves it due to Tapestry and would have been a Performer lock by the start of this century (if not late 90s) had the Hall not quickly thrown in the towel and arguably backdoored her. But as a big fan that has done a deep dive into her discography, there's one classic album and three more pretty good ones. It's not an overwhelming case by any means.

And Turner....it's really all about Private Dancer. Look up the rest of her post-Ike stuff and you'll find middling critical reviews and weak sales, etc.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 19:03pm


Interesting ballot but I don't see some of the logic. EX:Chaka Khan. If Chaka is someone the Committee wants inducted, it doesn't make sense to have Carole King, Dionne Warwick, Mary J. Blige, Tina Turner on the same ballot. Same with Dionne Warwick. She's finally on the ballot but has to go up against Blige, Khan, King, Turner, etc.
I was right Jay-Z and LL Cool J on the same ballot. It's a smart strategy. My guess plenty of voters will vote for Jay-Z and LL Cool J. Think I have 5 right this year.
Iron Maiden is the 1 I want to see inducted. It might make sense to focus on 1 of the metal bands. The Judas Priest, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy, collage didnt work last year.
I would have shifted Todd Rundgren to Musical Excellence. He's a unique talent as a singer, guitarist, songwriter, producer, etc.
I dont understand bringing back New York Dolls after all these years. Bad Company, Blue Oyster Cult, Judas Foreigner, Judas Priest, Soundgarden, would have been better selections.
Poor Duran Duran excluded again! DD has done everything needed for Induction. They have the required influence, innovation, longevity, musical excellence, etc.
With all the women on the ballot, I think Carole King, Tina Turner, and The Go-Go's can break through.
I think a Quick King 6 as of right now 4 Induction.
1. Tina Turner
2. Jay-Z
3. Iron Maiden
4. Carole King
5. Foo Fighters
6. The Go-Go's.
There's a lot of Carole King fanboys and fangirls out there. With the voting body swelling to 1,000, it will be interesting how the younger voters vote. Dave Grohl is 1 of the most respected musicians around. This year Soundgarden was squeezed out by Foo Fighters and Rage Against The Machine.
I really dont know about Rage Against The Machine and their chances.
Another person many were confident about,Cher, also missed the ballot. It will be an interesting week discussing the 16 nominees. I dont know why they just didnt go to 18 or 19 nominees. The year of 19 nominees might have been their best group of artists. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 19:06pm


Why does FLR keep insisting that the fan vote is meaningless? If 7 out of the 8 winners got inducted, it has to have some meaning. Besides, lets hope that once is an accident and the fan vote winner will get inducted this year. (So far it's Tina Turner)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 19:10pm


KING

I agree with you about Chaka. I have always felt her chances are far better solo than with Rufus (too large and complicated a membership). But I don't see any way she gets in this year. Not against King, Turner and The Go-Go's. Even voters that pick several female acts may leave her off. And that's a shame.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 19:19pm


Hey Guys,

In the event that one of the acts on the ballot gets an induction this year, Who would be the biggest beneficiary of that act next year?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 19:19pm


At least the question is a new one.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 19:21pm


I guess Dave Grohl is the Jeff Lynn/Mark Knopfner/Brain Eno/Marc Bolan of this year.

(Credit to Nick for giving Marc Bolan the role!)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 19:21pm


If it was like last year and they decided to do 2 acts from each decade:

90's: Jay-Z and Foo Fighters
80's: The Go-Gos and LL Cool J
70's: Todd Rundgren and Tina Turner

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 19:25pm


Oooooh now, this class is very interesting. Both more black artists and most importantly black WOMEN nominated at once. I dont care for much of the rock-leaning acts if I'm honest. If I'm being practical though, so much diversity won't end up good when the voting comes around as most of the acts here who are noteworthy will cancel each other out. Tina, Jay and FF are the three lock ins tho and i'll be both surprised and upset if they dont get in.

Now what would be REALLY legendary if this were the first all-black class or female-majority class. And either way, they will be all deserving.

Posted by ABJ on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 19:40pm


Hey Guys,

In the event that one of the acts on the 2021 ballot gets an induction this year, Who would be the biggest beneficiary of that act next year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 20:10pm


richie, Induction of a lower-tier solo female name (anybody not named Carole King or Tina Turner) would probably open the floodgates for options like Carly Simon, etc. Especially if they got in on a ballot with so many female-fronted acts splitting the vote.

Maiden getting in would also prove that metal actually can get in fairly easily as long as there isn't a massive hard rock logjam like there was last year. So that would be great news for Priest.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 20:23pm


I'm going to do my brutally honest breakdown in order of their chances of induction.

Jay-Z: The greatest MC who ever lived and a 100% lock. His superior wordplay and rhythmic intuition places him a cut above everyone else. Classic albums galore and a run of mainstream success rarely paralleled by anyone in the rock era. Still, this is kind of boring. As Bill Wyman pointed out, he's been nothing but a corporate sellout for decades and I question whether he has done anything of high artistic merit for the last 10 or 15 years. How can I get excited about someone who just screams Pepsi Cola (TM) whenever I look at his face? There's nothing rock and roll about that or his persona and it's kind of a shame that so many major black performers will lend their name to basically anything for $.

Foo Fighters: A "career compiler" in baseball terms is that guy who collects like 2800 hits and plays for 20 seasons while rarely making the All Star squad or having MVP-caliber years. There's no peak with them or this band! Their best record was the Grohl solo record that launched this project and it's mostly been downhill ever since with few SINGLES from this century that can be considered GOOD. This reeks of insider nepotism and Grohl playing the institution's game for so long. He's effectively been rock's likable everyman for the last twenty years.

But rarely LOVED. And that's where you have to doubt their chances a little. How many critics are really going to vote for them on their ballot? Likely few. How many pop/R&B minded voters? Likely none.

If they get in, it's a testament to the voting body being heavily white, male and guitar-centric.


Carole King: The issue here is that the institution gave up on her back in the early days when the ballots were STACKED and relegated her to the non-performers bin with her ex-husband. If they had just waited 10 years (at most), she could have been a Performer inductee with Goffin getting in via the backdoor.

So, let's discuss the solo career. Tapestry is one of the greatest albums ever made. Inarguable fact. The other good ones are Writer and the two I have owned on vinyl for years (along with Tapestry), the Really Rosie soundtrack and that one with "Jazzman".

Too often, her LPs descended into total unlistenable schmaltz. It's a relatively shaky discography and hardly one that was super influential outside of Tapesty (or artistically innovative at all). Still, people will give her bonus credit for her other work just like they did for Stevie which makes her an automatic inductee in a few months. The same goes for...

Tina Turner: ...whose beyond spotty case makes this a nomination I have been dreading for some time. I love her and the record she did with Spector is one of the best of the sixties. But what's on trial here is the post-Ike discography which is full of mostly commercial and critical misfires. And Private Dancer isn't even that great an album! Half of it doesn't hold up and it wasn't even on the Rolling Stone list recently (despite the new version of that list being far more diverse and inclusive).

She's going to get in. It's a famous name! Just like Joe Biden in the primaries. But we're stuck with this mess because the Hall refused to separate her and Ike decades ago...and now here we are with some other artist not getting in so that a prior wrong can be rectified...just like when the E-Street band hijacked a ceremony not really about them.

Iron Maiden: I honestly can't even listen to this crud. But boy do I understand its importance! Especially after watching their Classic Albums doc. There is nobody in the classic rock or hard rock lanes this year, so I will be shocked if they don't get in (same for the four I listed above). In fact, I'd say the % chances are:

Jay-Z: 100%
Foo Fighters: 90%
Carole King: 90%
Tina Turner: 90%
Iron Maiden: 85%

Jay-Z is in no matter what and the four following are the top four in the poll here and in the fan vote. This seems like the most predictable class in decades if they go with just five.

Devo: But I don't think they will go with five. My reasoning here is that Devo is in the same vein as Roxy Music, The Cure or Depeche Mode. The votes are now there for such "new wave" acts and nobody is standing in Devo's way. There's probably a dozen acts from the late 70s through the end of the 80s that are more important as far as the post-punk scene goes, and Devo's case mostly relies on two great albums (although the compilations of their earliest stuff is ESSENTIAL and paints a much different portrait of this band), but this is a "good enough" inductee that would represent the voters making another forward thinking decision.

Those are who I think the inductees will be. I'll come back later for two more parts: The Contenders and The Hopeless.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 20:51pm


Alan Light brought up Early Influence Karaftwerk again. It's happening this year, I can tell.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 21:18pm


Sorry, Kraftwerk. Early Influence Kraftwerk is coming!

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 21:19pm


:( Kraftwerk

God, that would be the dumbest decision ever. Why not just wait one last time for Heaven's sake?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 21:29pm


Casper,

What type of Rock Hall inductee are you specifically looking for? What qualifies as a true inductee in your eyes?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 21:41pm


Look, I'm getting tired about rock oats complaining how the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is too "PC" or "catering SJW's". But this ballot is, IMO, is the probably the best and that they are going in the right direction for the future. Black artists and women haven't had the best representation in years and it's time to give them the spotlight. I just I could pick more than five artists.

My wishlists/picks for the fan ballot:

*Kate Bush
*The Go-Go's
*JAY Z
*Fela Kuti
*Carole King

My predictions:

*Foo Fighters
*The Go-Go's
*Iron Maiden
*Jay Z
*Carole King
*Tina Turner
(Dionne Warwick if 7)

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 21:46pm


If the Rock Hall class were just the youngest nominees:

1. Foo Fighters
2. Jay-Z
3. Mary J. Blige
4. Rage Against The Machine
5. LL Cool J
if 6, The Go-Go's

If the Rock Hall Class were just the oldest nominees:
1. Carole King
2. Dione Warwick
3. Todd Rundgren
4. Fela Kuti
5. New York Dolls
if 6, Tina Turner

The Class if it were the ones in the middle:
1. Iron Maiden
2. Kate Bush
3. Chaka Khan
4. Devo
5. Tina Turner
if 6, New York Dolls

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 21:59pm


Originality, quality of peak output and clear influence on good artists after them is what my ideal candidates tend to be. Harry Nillson, Kate Bush, The Replacements, Beck...those are some examples.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 22:02pm


Michael W.,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 22:15pm


Whitburn's Top Pop Albums 1955-2016 book's rankings of the nominees:

Jay-Z: 69th all time on the albums chart

Dionne Warwick: #72 (!!!)

Carole King: #107

Mary J. Blige #125

Iron Maiden: #145

LL Cool J: #236

Foo Fighters: #294

Tina Turner: #437

Unranked: Kate Bush, Devo, The Go-Go's, Chaka Khan (even with Rufus), Fela Kuti, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 00:12am


Jay-Z is the fourth most successful albums artist that clearly fits the Rock Hall parameters that is not yet an inductee.

The three ahead of him with all-time ranking:

DMB - #56

Diana Ross - #61

Mariah Carey - #66

And to keep going...

Dionne is at #72

Jethro Tull - #85

Carly Simon - #97

Cher - #106

R. Kelly - #109 (ew....)

Ozzy Osbourne - #124

The aforementioned Mary J. Blige at #125

Eminem -#128

Phish - #130 (!!!)

Snoop Dogg - #134

E-40 - #135

The Monkees - #138

The aforementioned Maiden at #145

Sting - #157

Foreigner - #175

Megadeth - #177

KoRn - #183

Connie Francis - #187

Peter, Paul and Mary - #188

Duran Duran - #190

Taylor Swift - #193 (and probably Top 100 by now)

Britney Spears - #194

Patti LaBelle - #196

Phil Collins - #200

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 00:23am


Jay-Z - #28

Dionne Warwick - #36

Mary J. Blige - #75

Tina Turner - #216 (just for solo years!)

LL Cool J - #160

Carole King - #320

Foo Fighters - #433

Rufus feat. Chaka Khan - #457 (not counting solo work)


Unranked: Kate Bush, Devo, The Go-Go's, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren

Jay-Z trails only Mariah Carey (#3 and climbing), Taylor Swift (#6 by now and climbing), Rihanna (#9 by now and climbing) and Usher (#16) among artists that fit Rock Hall Performer parameters. Connie Francis at #30 is between him and Dionne Warwick.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 00:40am


What is that rank for? And define "Rock Hall Performer parameters".

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 00:50am


Sorry, that second ranking was Billboard's Top Pop Singles career rankings from the 1955-2015 book.

By "rock hall parameters" I mean artists that clearly fall under the umbrella. So not country or Perry Como or Barbara Streisand, etc.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 01:10am


I assume the early influence is probably gonna Big Mama Thornton? Unless they are seriously considering Kraftwerk to be EI? (That would suck, but damn it might as well)

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 02:39am


KING,

Once again, this is a critic's ballot.


Although I find this list to be extremely disappointing, the inclusion of more women on this ballot is a noticeable breath of fresh air. Technically, there are only 2 "prog" artists on thIs ballot- Kate Bush and Todd Rundgren. It's good to see both Tina Turner and Carole King on the ballot. I was somewhat surprised to see Dionne Warwick, Fela Kuti, Mary J. Blige, Iron Maiden and the New York Dolls on the ballot.

Where are: The Bangles, Carly Simon, Sade, Duran Duran and Jethro Tull?

Where are: Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo, Kool & The Gang, Joy Division/New Order, Eurythmics, B-52s, Thin Lizzy, Motörhead, John Prine, Dave Matthews Band and Willie Nelson?


I am certainly okay with Mary J. Blige being there.

Jann, please take back your Rock Hall; John Sykes clearly does not know what he's doing!

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 03:52am


So, who will I definitely be voting for?

1. Kate Bush
2. Tina Turner
3. Carole King
4. Dionne Warwick/Mary J. Blige (alternating)
5. Iron Maiden/Fela Kuti (alternating)


Who will I not be voting for?

Rage Against The Machine
Foo Fighters
Jay Z
LL Cool J.
New York Dolls
Devo
Todd Rundgren

Who may I possibly be persuaded to vote for:

The Go-Gos
Chaka Khan

By the way, Todd Rundgren definitely deserves to receive the award for musical excellence.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 04:16am


Okay, where did Kraftwerk go?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 04:22am


ENIG
Iron Maiden has done some experimental and progressive work with Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son. They are an intelligent metal band and have worked many years earning this nomination. I hope they are Inducted. Maiden is definitely a heavy metal band but have shown progressive work. Definitely have my vote.
Can't believe Duran Duran has been snubbed again. This really is ridiculous since the Duran Duran discography and overall work dwarfs The Go-Go's and others. I think The Go-Go's were 1 of my last cuts. It's my fault since many signs pointed to their ballot appearance.
I think they could have went with ELP or Jethro Tull instead of New York Dolls. The Dolls musician Sylvain Sylvain recently died. I think that might have been a factor. Johansson is the only 1 left from the original group I believe.
I'll definitely be voting for Tina Turner. She's 81 years old now and time running out. We are seeing many younger musicians and older ones than Tina dying in 2020 and early 2021. I always liked the songs from Private Dancer. That was an incredible album and I enjoyed the videos too. I think the Committee thought the same way about Carole King 79 and Dionne Warwick 80. These female legends deserve Induction while they are still alive and coherent to enjoy the honor. They could give 1 of these female greats 1 of these other honors. Disappointed no Pat Benatar. She had some good momentum. Pat's a decade younger than the ones above. I guess they decided to give Carole, Dionne, and Tina the nominations.
I will also be voting for LL Cool J. He was 1 of rap's 1st Superstars. Started out real young at 15 or 16 in the 1980's. I've been advocating for him a few years.
Agree with you on Rundgren. He would be a strong candidate to receive the Musical Excellence Award. I think he could be Inducted as there is not as many hard rock/ metal groups as last year.
Like other years, I'm interested how it shakes out. If 2/3 Iron Maiden, LL Cool J, and Tina Turner is inducted, I would be very happy. The Go-Go's is a group I probably vote for alternating with Foo Fighters. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 06:16am


Holy cow. There they are the 2021 Nominees. Ok Rock and Roll friends. The time finally came. I was sooo wrong about so many.
It is true there are Nottoo many regular's comments on here. I am a regular and I am Not in shock? All of those nominated are worthy of the honor, but the omissions hurt.. No Prog Rock again! Enig I am sure is angry.. Did they go overboard on the Classic Rock/Hard Rock/ Metal last year to virtually eliminate it. That is a good question. There is NO Jethro Tull.
The Hall certainly played it safe by putting the obvious newcomers on here With Foo Fighters, RATM, and Jay Z. That is a bit boring.
Some have been overlooked for quite awhile, and should already be in. There is Carole King, LL Cool J, Tina Turner, Todd Rundgren. Damn man I predicted Carole King 3 Years in a row but skipped this year. I picked John Prine for a singer/songwriter. I did hold out to still predict Tina Turner. Since she is around 80 and one of the most popular singers of all time. I kept her as a pick this year.
But where is Kraftwerk? OK, if you think giving them a break is good. I am Not a fan I stress But I was soo sure about Kraftwerk. I was wrong too about Rufus featuring Chaka Khan. They went with simply Chaka Khan.
What I don't understand is snubbing amazing bands like Jethro Tull, Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Bad Company, as well as Soundgarden. I can't believe none of those were nominated. They did throw in Iron Maiden for the Heavy Metal. That's another I predicted in one of my versions.
I do like the Nominations of Devo,the Go-Gos,LL Cool J and Todd Rundgren. Those show some variety. .Well there is the actual list of nominees. That's what we got. I don't think hardly anyone on here or anywhere expected Fela Kuti. I am glad that Carole King and Dionne Warwick were both nominated. Since I predicted them both awhile back. Damn I cut them and was wrong. But hey I am very glad they are there. I will now absorb the list.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 06:27am


Casper, Dionne Warwick (back in her heyday), which I was around for, was as big or bigger than any of the other artists on the ballot. Jay-Z is the only one who can be mentioned in same breath, IMO.

She was A STAR back in the 60s

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 07:08am


Where is Three Dog Night?! Year after year total snubbing. The band had 21 Billboard Top 40 hits between 1969 and 1975, with three hitting number one.

Posted by Tom on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 07:30am


They never promised to nominate the top vote getter on the kiosk vote or induct the top vote getter on the fan.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 08:19am


Is there a need to have a separate rock hall for prog rock bands..most notably Jethro Tull ( 50 years of performing )- and sales 10 x many inductees--attend a show, you'll know why -- and ELP ( we've waited long enough where 2/3 of the band having passed now - and Rock and Roll wise - how can Bad Company not be eligible ? Some bands who were eligible earlier on had much tougher competition when we were sill backload decades of stars. How about a 'veterans' committee like baseball has ? Still appreciative of the Hall - great time on visits..

Posted by 65 yr old Dave on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 10:40am


Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 10:49am


It seems like Fela Kuti has bumped up well in the fan vote. Thoughts?

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 10:52am


Initial thoughts:

Mary J. Blige - Thinking she's this year's Dave Matthews Band: she's deserving of consideration, nomination, and in my mind, eminently worthy of induction. But it feels too early for her, particularly in a year where the Hall is pushing a huge backlog of divas. The cynic in me thinks Blige got the nod instead of the more popular Mariah Carey, who may have overshadowed the older artists being considered. Happy to see contemporary R&B getting some recognition, but this just isn't going to be her year.

Kate Bush - The last couple years have seen the Hall get around to inducting a lot of overlooked British artists, so in that regard Kate Bush would seem to be a safe bet. The problem I foresee is that the push for Carole King to get in as a performer will suck all the air out of the singer-songwriter slot Bush best fits into it. Glad to see her get another nod, but it's not looking good.

Devo - I honestly thought Kraftwerk would get the synthrock lane all to themselves, given Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode getting in last year; instead, Devo scored their second nomination and took the space instead. Still have to get past the Hall's hesitancy to induct keyboard-based bands, on top of the band's unearned reputation as a one-hit wonder. Thinking that will be enough to keep them on the outside looking in for another year.

Foo Fighters - Going into this week, their nomination wasn't 100% certain; but damn if the Hall didn't just nominate them, but also set it up for them to easily be a frontrunner in terms of induction. They have the contemporary rock slot almost completely to themselves, but they're a mainstream rock act in a year where other options are few and far between. Regardless what you think of them, they're one of the slam dunks in terms of induction.

The Go-Go's - Sometimes, an artist or band just has momentum. The last artist who redeemed that into a induction was Janet Jackson; and this year, the Go-Go's have a similar amount of popular consideration about them and the Hall. It helps that, out of this year's bumper crop of female nominees, they are the most straightforward rock-oriented. I think them getting in this year is a near-damn certainty.

Iron Maiden - Last year, the Hall nominated too many hard rock and metal bands in one year, thus guaranteeing that none of them would make it in. Iron Maiden is in a better position, as they have the hard rock slot virtually all to themselves, with only the Foo Fighters and Rage Against the Machine to compete against. There still seems to be a bias against really hard bands actually getting in, and the more pop-metal bands having an easier time of it. Most likely will walk away with the fan vote, but it's a toss up on whether they get in.

Jay-Z - If you asked me a week ago, I'd have said Jay-Z was a slam dunk, not just for scoring a nomination but to get inducted as well. Jay-Z as the lone hip hop artist would have been a cinch; and even if he was up against a different act, like Outkast, Salt-n-Pepa, Eric B. & Rakim or the Fugees, I could see him sailing in. Instead, they've paired him up with the one solo rapper who can compete with him in terms of recognition. I'm certain that we're going to see Jay-Z and LL Cool J split the hip hop vote, keeping both of them out for another year.

Chaka Khan - For the past couple years, Chaka Khan has been paired against another diva, and been subsequently blown out of the water by them in terms of popularity. This year is no different: on top of her going up against Tina Turner, she also has to compete against Mary J. Blige, and to a certain extent Dionne Warwick. On top of that, her solo catalogue is the weakest out of the four, so separating her from Rufus hurts her prospects further. Another year with her on the outside looking in.

Carole King - The Hall seems to be pushing an effort to fix past mistakes this year, and King getting in as a performer is one of the two sure things I see in this year's crop of nominees. As the artist behind one of the most popular albums of all time, her bonafides are not in question. It helps that she doesn't have the same crowded field, as fewer female singer-songwriters or indie/alternative artists were included in this year's nominees. The closest thing to a sure thing out of any of the artists under consideration this year.

Fela Kuti - I've been seeing a lot of people dismissing Fela's chances of getting in. His induction will expand the scope of the music represented in the hall, so I see there being a push to make sure he's get a spot in this year's class. My personal feeling is even if Fela doesn't get in, he's getting in: either filling the Nina Simone slot from a few years ago, or he'll get backdoored with a Musical Excellence award.

LL Cool J - See my notes about Jay-Z above. Sadly, I think LL will get a bump in terms of votes this year, as there will likely be some voters who think LL should slide in before Jay-Z. That said, LL has struggled when he was the only rapper among the inductees, and I don't see that changing with a powerhouse like Jay-Z also competing for votes.

The New York Dolls - This year's replacement for the oft-nominated The MC5, along with the usual one or two indie rock or punk bands that grab a slot each year, like the Replacements, Los Lobos or Bad Brains. Those bands usually get inducted, and most of them have a more sizable body of work than the Dolls, who had one album then imploded for nearly thirty years before reforming. Influential for sure, but maybe just not enough direct impact on music to get the nod this year.

Rage Against the Machine - There's not many contemporary or '90s acts on this year's nominee list. Out of the three nods from that decade, Rage is likely a distant second after the Foo Fighters; but they do have a few advantages over other artists on the list, that given them a better chance than they've had in the past. The lack of competing hard rock artists, the toss up among the two dueling hip hop nominees, and an increased visibility arising out of the past year's political upheaval may all contribute to the group slipping in after two past failures. Not a guarantee, but this might be the best option for them to get in any time soon.

Todd Rundgren - The last couple times he's been nominated, Todd Rundgren had a much more robust slate of competitors among classic rock acts. This year, he has a much more open lane to get in: his only real competitors are the Go-Go's or the New York Dolls (who he can potentially represent, as he produced their debut album). There's always at least one classic rocker in each class: Rundgren will be this year's pick to fill that role.

Tina Turner - The other longtime mistake made by the Hall to be fixed this year is getting Turner in as a solo artist. The Me Too movement pointing out that Turner was inducted with her abuser so many years ago has been made much of, and it's long past time to give her a second induction, as she has much stronger claim to that than Stevie Nicks. Personally, I find her solo work weaker than her earlier efforts (mostly due to the 80s production, which is also a problem I have with Chaka Khan's solo run); but I see no reason for her to get in a second time this year.

Dionne Warwick - A long time coming, but finally here thanks to the visibility given her after Whitney Houston's induction; unfortunately, it may have come at the worst possible time. Warwick should get in, but she finds herself up against a number of other divas, along with the Hall's bias against pure pop artists which Warwick definitely falls into. A longshot to get in, particularly with Turner and King taking up most of the attention she'd otherwise be getting.

If I picked the Hall:

Kate Bush
Devo
The Go-Go's
Carole King
Fela Kuti
LL Cool J
Dionne Warwick

Who I think will get in:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Carole King
Fela Kuti
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner
and either Iron Maiden or Rage Against the Machine

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 11:48am


Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 11:58am


I honestly think that this is a pretty wide open year this year, I think that all of the nominees deserve to be in except Fela Kuti (There are other left-field picks that are much more deserving that should have gotten nominated like Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton and Garth Brooks to name a few), but overall, They did a great job nominating more women and more people of color this year than in years past, Instead of making predictions for this year's inductees as I have done for the past three years, This year, I'm going to list off all the acts in order of getting inducted:

Not Likely/No Chance:

Fela Kuti (Why is he even here?. Too obscure and not very many voters will vote for him)
Kate Bush
Mary J. Blige

Small/Minimal Chance:

LL Cool J
New York Dolls
Devo

Solid/Decent/Good Chance:

Iron Maiden
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
Dionne Warwick

Very Strong Chance:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's

Bank On It/The Definite Inductees:

Jay-Z
Carole King
Tina Turner

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 12:49pm


Autumn, if you think the nominee list is a minimal thing, you haven't spent much time here lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 13:03pm


I honestly think that this is a pretty wide open year this year, I think that all of the nominees deserve to be in except Fela Kuti (There are other left-field picks that are much more deserving that should have gotten nominated over him like Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton and Garth Brooks to name a few), but overall, They did a fantastic job nominating more women and more people of color this year than in years past, Instead of making predictions for this year's inductees as I have done for the past three years, This year, I'm going to list off all the acts in order of getting inducted:

Not Likely/No Chance:

Fela Kuti (Why is he even here?. Too obscure and not very many voters will vote for him)
Kate Bush
Mary J. Blige
Chaka Khan

Small/Minimal Chance:

LL Cool J
New York Dolls
Devo

Solid/Decent Chance:

Iron Maiden
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
Dionne Warwick

Very Strong Chance:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's

Bank On It/The Definite Inductees:

Jay-Z
Carole King
Tina Turner

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 13:27pm


My thoughts on the nominees for the 2021 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame are coming soon, but first...

THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

1. Dionne Warwick
2. Tina Turner
3. Carole King
4. Todd Rundgren
5. Chaka Khan
6. New York Dolls
7. Fela Kuti
8. Devo

THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ACTS

1. Jay-Z
2. Foo Fighters
3. Rage Against The Machine
4. Mary J. Blige
5. LL Cool J
6. The Go-Go's
7. Iron Maiden
8. Kate Bush

THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING ROCKISTS

1. Tina Turner
2. Todd Rundgren
3. New York Dolls
4. Iron Maiden
5. The Go-Go's
6. Rage Against The Machine
7. Foo Fighters

THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WORST CASE SCENARIO

1. Jay-Z
2. Mary J. Blige
3. LL Cool J
4. The Go-Go's
5. Kate Bush
6. Fela Kuti
7. Devo

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 13:40pm


RG,

I know fan vote does not matter, but holy crap the moment I checked the Fan Vote again Fela Kuti just skyrocketed up pass everyone even Todd Rundgren! He is even catching up to Rage too! I think we are seriously underestimating him.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 14:56pm


I have a question that hit my mind today is there any chance at all ll cool j gets in this year and they do jay z in Brooklyn next year? I know it sounds crazy but they have snubbed first ballot locks before ( Radiohead and rage come to my head) so I'm just wondering if it's entirely possible?

Posted by Tylerpadrex on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 14:58pm


I think if Fela Kuti gets in this year, I think it will be either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer, He just doesn't deserve to be inducted as a Performer, especially with so many other deserving acts on this year's ballot far more deserving than him, I think that there are other left-field picks that are far more deserving that should have gotten nominated over him like Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton and Garth Brooks to name a few, so I think that if he gets in this year, I think it will be either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 15:13pm


I've been tweeting about Fela Kuti on Twitter a couple of times today and I wouldn't count him out at all. He's well-liked and respected by many music critics and HOFers/musicians who are voters (think a Miles Davis-Nina Simone-esque figure here). He's #7 right now and could easily go into the Top 5 if the momentum continues. It seems like a lot of the online voters are only voting for Kuti (thanks to people promoting it on Twitter with large followings) and that's definitely helping him rise quickly on the fan count. An induction isn't out of the question.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 15:15pm


There's one other thing about Fela Kuti, He's not as well-known as Miles Davis, Joan Baez and Nina Simone, All three of them were much more well-known and much more respected by critics and HOFers than Fela was, so that definitely hurts his chances for getting in as a Performer this year, If he gets in this year, It will be either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 15:23pm


In America, yes, he's not a household name but globally he's a titan. It's not just anyone voting in these elections, it's musicians, historians and critics who all (should definitely) have some knowledge of Fela Kuti. If they don't, then they probably aren't qualified RH voters. He could easily get enough support for induction in the Performers category. Don't sleep on it.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 15:26pm


Nick,

But IMO, his spot should have gone to either Willie Nelson or Dolly Parton as far as left-field/outside genre picks go because they are both huge names and would easily get the votes for induction, so I think that Fela won't get in as a Performer, I think that if he gets in this year, I think that it will be either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 15:33pm


WHY NOT Tower of Power......Hall of Fame is a joke!!~

Posted by Ken Tyler on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 15:38pm


Just because someone isn't born or huge in America does not mean the larger voting wouldn't vote for him. This is a bold and important nomination as far as international musicians go. He's now ahead of RATM and #6 on the fan vote. I know the fan vote is essentially meaningless but this is unexpected and incredible.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 15:45pm


Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 15:49pm


Nick,

That's it I'm on team Fela Kuti. Let's go!

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:00pm


Btw, I know who he is, I just never expected him to get so far!

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:00pm


So, I was very suspicious about Fela, so I took data to check the number of votes people get in the span of 10 minutes. Here's the results:

Tina Turner: +227
Foo Fighters: +147
Iron Maiden: +117
Carole King: +118
The Go-Go's: +107
Rage Against The Machine: +89

The mean of this: 114

Meanwhile...

Fela Kuti: + 333

So this guy, who was at dead least yesterday, gets more votes than Foo Fighters and Iron Maiden combined? Suspicious.

Posted by Dookie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:01pm


It's probably because people are only voting for Fela and that's it. It's manipulating the fan vote to maximum effect and getting "their" artist higher on the f an vote. It's clearly working in Fela's favor.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:09pm


Dookie, it's not suspicious. Fela's supporters are just voting Fela ONLY. So he gains +1 on every other artist every time someone submits a ballot rather than just +1 over 11 other artists.

I am going to vote for Fela only each and every day as long as he's viable.

- He's the most important name on the list by far. Easily in the Top 25 influential artists of the 20th century.

- The competition for fifth place (where he is currently duking it out with Go-Go's) is the most important there is.

- A great fan vote total for him will likely make the institution think hard about inducting him this year via Musical Excellence or some other category.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:10pm


Fela's vote total is climbing so rapidly from this strategic voting that he could be in a strong 3rd place in mere hours. If his fans kept this up just for a single week, it probably would secure him a top five spot by the end of this.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:13pm


Casper is absolutely right here; this is why Fela's moving so rapidly on the fan vote. I think he could be in the top five by the end of today.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:21pm


I guess we can welcome him with Benetar, Soundgarden, DMB, Priest and Rundgren in the list of Top 5 fan vote artists not to get inducted.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:31pm


Dividing overall vote count by an average ballot size of 4 votes gives us 81,292 ballots.

Tina Turner - 51.8%
Foo Fighters - 44.2%
Iron Maiden - 33.6%
Carole King - 32.9%
The Go-Go's - 29.4%

Fela Kuti - 27.8%
Rage Against The Machine - 26.6%

Devo - 21.4%
Todd Rundgren - 20.7%
Dionne Warwick - 20.4%
Chaka Khan - 19.5%

Mary J. Blige - 15.1%
Jay-Z - 14.8%
LL Cool J - 14.7%
New York Dolls - 14.3%
Kate Bush - 13%


There's cleanly four groups here. Tina Turner and Foo Fighters a cut above the rest and then artists hovering around 30%, 20% and 15%.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:34pm


Only Fela or Tina have the fan base that is diehard enough to help them win the fan vote. Rawkists are probably so bored by the ballot that they will just give up which means Foo Fighters (and act few actually LOVE) and Iron Maiden can't come out on top.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:43pm


Current induction predictions:
Tina, King, Go-Go's (Irving Azzoff always gets what he wants), Jay-Z, Foos, and if there is a 6th, Fela. (He's got a lot of critical acclaim and has plenty of followers despite his lack of mainstream success.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 16:45pm


Fela's in the top five of the fan vote!

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 17:09pm


This is awesome.

Calling it now - Gil Scott-Heron will be on next year's ballot.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 17:25pm


My predictions for this year's inductees are:

Foo Fighters (FYE lock/shoo-in)
The Go-Go's (Their recent Showtime documentary helps them a lot, plus it would totally make up for Pat Benatar not getting in last year)
Jay-Z (FYE lock/shoo-in, I see LL Cool J as a Dark Horse if they decide to put two Rap/Hip-Hop acts in the same year)
Carole King (Long overdue second induction for her, This time as a Performer, One of the biggest snubs left from the 70's that has yet to get inducted)
Rage Against The Machine (Third time's the charm in a politically charged year for this band, One of the biggest snubs from the 90's that has yet to be inducted)
Todd Rundgren (see Rage Against The Machine, Third time's the charm for him as well, Another singer-songwriter as well in addition to Carole King)
Tina Turner (Fan Vote Winner, plus the recent inductions of Janet and Whitney help her a lot, Long overdue second induction for her, This time for her solo career)

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

Kate Bush (The recent inductions of Roxy Music and T. Rex shows that artists who wouldn't huge names in America can get inducted, But she has to go up against so many other female artists this year, Still, I see her as a Dark Horse)
Chaka Khan (This is her third solo nomination without Rufus and her seventh nomination overall, so she might surprise and get in but unlikely IMO, Still I see her as a Dark Horse)
Devo (This year's Ceremony is in Cleveland and this band is from Ohio, With The Cars, Roxy Music, The Cure and Depeche Mode all getting in recently, They stand a decent chance of getting in this year, I see them as a Dark Horse)
Iron Maiden (Metal has a tough time getting inducted recently with Judas Priest missing out on induction twice and Motorhead and Thin Lizzy missing out last year along with Priest, So Iron Maiden might not get in on their first try this year even though they have no competition this year as far as Classic Rock and Hard Rock/Metal acts go, Still, I see them as a Dark Horse)
LL Cool J (Jay-Z is a shoo-in so that'll hurt LL Cool J even though he really deserves to be in there, Still, If there ever was a time to induct two Rap/Hip-Hop acts in the same year, It would be this year with Jay-Z and LL, I see him as a Dark Horse)
New York Dolls (Roxy Music and T. Rex both got in the last two years, so don't rule out New York Dolls getting inducted this year especially with the passing of their guitarist Sylvain Sylvain and the upcoming Showtime documentary on their lead singer David Johansen that's in the works, I see them as a Dark Horse)
Dionne Warwick (Whitney Houston's induction probably opened the doors for her, as did to a lesser extent Neil Diamond and Chicago, She is one of the biggest artists left from the 60's that has yet to get in, plus it would open the door for more Adult Contemporary acts to get in, She's has had a bigger social media presence on Twitter in the past few months so that might help her to get inducted on her first try, I see her as a Dark Horse)

Not Likely/No Chance:

Mary J. Blige (Too many women on the ballot this year will hurt her chances for getting in this year plus the fact that they nominated her and not someone like Mariah Carey is mindblogging, I think she gets in someday but not this year)
Fela Kuti (The least deserving act on this ballot this year, I just don't think he deserves a Performer induction this year over bigger names that are on the ballot as well, I think that there are other left-field/outside genre picks that are much more deserving and should have gotten nominated this year over him like Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton and Garth Brooks to name a few, I think that he misses out on a Performer induction this year despite him being now in the top five of the Fan Vote (not that it matters which it doesn't anymore), I think that if he gets in this year, It will be either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 17:27pm


Fela Kuti being in the top 5 is really great. I was really excited when I first saw him on the ballot. He's really deserving to be on the ballot and for induction. Even Paul McCartney has some stories about Fela.

https://youtu.be/E4Jnl4jERqE

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 17:36pm


Casper, RG, Plebian, Will N. and John R.C.,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 18:07pm


I think that Fela Kuti will join Judas Priest, Dave Matthews Band, Pat Benatar and Soundgarden as acts that finished in the top five of the fan vote but didn't get in, IMO, He just doesn't deserve induction as a Performer, As an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence? Yes, but not as a Performer especially with bigger and more well-known names on the ballot this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 18:59pm


You forgot Todd Rundgren. He finished in the top 5 back in the 2019 class. He was #3, behind only Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 19:01pm


Follower,

Yeah, I forgot Rundgren as well.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 19:05pm


Carole King - deserves to be in as a songwriter, which she is. As far as solo, she can go in if other one-album wonders get to go in. She can go in when Hottie and the Blowfish go in.
Chaka Khan - Chaka Khan lemmy rock u, lemmy rock u Chaka Khan. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 7 no's.
The Go-Gos - everyone calm down. A moderately successful pop band for 3 years. A female resume of Men at Work. No.
Jay-Z - Yes
Rage Against the Machine - Yes
Todd Rundgren - No. If you disagree, hum his 5th best song to yourself, I'll wait...
Foo Fighters - Yes. Kept rock alive, albeit on a respirator for the last 20 years and I don't even like them.
Kate Bush - No. Stop it. Fringe act. Who I really like, but fringe.
LL Cool J - Yes
Iron Maiden - Yes
New York Dolls - Maybe. I see the influence although I'm not super familiar with their music.
Devo - lol. no. A novelty act. Weird Al first, then we'll talk.
Tina Turner - No. She's in already for the part of her career that she deserves to be in for.
Mary J. Blige - Can't judge, don't know enough about her career
Fela Kuti - If I can't recognize the name, then no.
Dionne Warwick - Yes

Recap:
Yes - Jay Z, Rage, Foo, LL, Maiden, Dionne

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 20:51pm


I'm excited for all the Hall Watchers with blogs to give their takes on the class. And of course, for Philip's I-5.

As a side note, I probably should have included Early Influence Kraftwerk in my prediction. Which is Tina Turner, Carol King, Jay-Z, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's and if there's extras, Fela Kuti (he's got a lot of industry respect and critical acclaim despite lack of success) Rage, and/or Devo. One of those 3.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 20:52pm


Richie,
I will give you a bit of a twisted scenario for the 5-7 inductees of this highly erratic chosen class of nominees, and it has been stated that this is the most diverse class in quite awhile. May be diverse for race and gender, but certainly not for Music, which should be the point and foundation for RRHOF. Are they saying they are attempting to make up for past mistakes? Comparing to Sports HOF, which have their own strange issues, but they do not compromise. They strive to put the best possible inductees into their Halls of Fame, despite some bizarre voting procedures, they try to keep the integrity, and a sense of purity at the core. I certainly hope that the RRHOF is not playing games and compromising the true values of what makes music great. But it seems that there is something unusual going on behind the scenes, and where does it lead. Or maybe they are trying to right the ship for looking back on past errors and mistakes. I don't know, which is why I am asking questions, and this class just seems like a strange, and rather bland group.
For instance, 2 or 3 years ago when I was on board for Tina Turner, trying to get some support for her then, except for a few, there was a huge lack of interest, and nary a peep from HOF voters. Now that she is extremely past due for induction, having been ignored for years, it is imperative that she be inducted. So Richie.. #1 is Tina Turner.
Now my analysis shifts to Hard Rock because with Iron Maiden being the only Heavy pre-90's Rock band on the board, you pretty much have to induct them for lack of competition. Do you really think that Dave Grohl or Tom Morello would allow the Foo Fighters or RATM to be voted in over the legendary Metal band Iron Maiden.. That would surely cause the Earth to shift off its Axis. But one of the 2 bands would love to be inducted alongside of Maiden, so you may see Foo Fighters getting that honor.
Out of some perplexing state of logic, I would have to say my #2 is Iron Maiden..
For #3 there is really no need to go into much detail.. The voters will never make Jay-Z wait. Not with Biggie going in first ballot last year, so #3 is Jay-Z..
#4 has to be my Favorite on the Nominee list and that is The Go-Go's. Everything they have done speaks for itself, and they check off a lot of the Boxes for this Class.. All female group, Rock and Roll, Punk and New Wave roots, L.A. California beach sound, wrote their own lyrics and music, and a pretty decent fan base, and their music still sounds fresh.. So #4 for me is The Go-Go's, plus no Pat Benatar as competition.. seems like a no brainer.
#5 has got to be Carole King.. She is way overdue also, and although at this point, another year may not make a difference, but since she is finally nominated, she should get the necessary support. My #5 is Carole King..
I think there will be at least 6 artists inducted and possibly 7, with this unusual Class, so it does start getting a little suspect from here. Reasons I have not yet committed to Foo Fighters is I am not positive that Dave Grohl is too keen about getting voted in over other bands or artists that he would like to see get in, like probably Devo. Still he may not have a choice in the matter, and for the fact that he may historically love to be included in an induction Class with Iron Maiden, I will go with my #6 as Foo Fighters.. With some reluctance, Richie, due to such said diversity with this Class, and the playing field beginning to level out considerably.. It is #6.. Foo Fighters.
Now it could very well be a Class for 7 inductees, because this slot would be a toss up. It could be a Kate Bush, or New York Dolls, Devo, LL Cool J, Todd R., or Dionne Warwick. With this Class, unfortunately, there seems to be a lot of filler noms. The drop off after the first 6 or so artists leaves a big gap.. Is that intentional? Makes you wonder a bit.
If I was to throw in a 7th, I believe out of those just mentioned, I would have to say they should finally give the nod to LL Cool J, for pioneering the way in Rap, and it would be a great time to do it. You would end up with 2 Rap artists, 3 Female Artists/Band, and 2 Rock acts. Quite a balancing act for this debacle of a Class. So, Richie, I will throw in at #7 LL Cool J for good measure. It would be the least that they could do to induct 7 nominees after disappointing millions of Music fans worldwide, if they even care anymore..

Recap:

#1. Tina Turner
#2. Iron Maiden
#3. Jay-Z
#4. The Go-Go's
#5. Carole King
#6. Foo Fighters
#7. LL Cool J

____

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 21:10pm


If Foo Fighters and RATM are inducted, my next acts in my Magnificent Seven are...

1. Smashing Punpkins
2. The Smiths
3. Joy Division/New Order
4. Big Star
5. Gram Parsons
6. The Replacements
7. Eminem (Eligible 2022)

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 21:36pm


Plebian,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 21:41pm


@Richie

Here's who I think will be inducted:

*Foo Fighters
*The Go-Go's
*Iron Maiden
*JAY Z
*Carole King
*Tina Turner

(Dionne Warwick and Fela Kuti as 7th/alternative slots)

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 21:53pm


Richie -
While he isn't a slam dunk to be inducted due to his lack of major mainstream American recognition (though he was the subject of a pretty popular Broadway show); you seriously underestimate the adoration by existing HOF musicians and influence on more modern ones. Stars like Paul McCartney, Mick Jaggers, Elton John, etc. made pilgrimages to Nigeria to see him perform. Ginger Baker of Cream essentially abandoned his lucrative career as a rock drummer to move to Africa to play with Fela.

Fela is an equal on the world music stage with Bob Marley. Equal parts musical genre creator and political revolutionary. It's just that Fela's music isn't as easily edited down to a Legend style greatest hits compilation; so he's never been discovered by frat boys doing bong rips to give home the same style of after death popularity.

But Afrobeat is on a popular rise again in Hip Hop and in dance clubs. I've seen huge crowds at music festivals in dance frenzy and losing their collective minds over Afrobeat from modern bands like Antibalas.

I predicted Fela for the ballot, because to me he seemed so damned obvious to be "due". He has an incredibly good shot at being inducted due to support from musicians and critics

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 22:35pm


Shrek,

I know, but I think his spot should have totally gone to either Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton or Garth Brooks as far as left-field/outside genre picks go because they're more deserving and much more well-known to the general public than Fela was, So I think that his spot should have totally gone to one of those three acts that I mentioned (Willie, Dolly or Garth).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 22:44pm


I'm confused why you keep suggesting country artists as a left-field pick that ultimately went to Fela Kuti. I mean, it could've been from any genre really and it wouldn't have mattered. You're really underestimating how well-respected and acclaimed he truly is. Listen to "Zombie" and you'll understand why he's a worthy nominee (and inductee).

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 22:50pm


Nick,

I have to disagree with you on Fela Kuti, I know he's well-respected and acclaimed, but I honestly think that his spot really should have gone to either Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Garth Brooks, Patsy Cline or even Gil Scott-Heron as the left-field/outside genre pick, because they're all much more well-known and much more deserving of the honor than him IMO.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 23:02pm


But you're not elaborating on why you think he's unworthy. It's super faulty and weak to say someone isn't Rock Hall material when they're not well-known or commercially successful. The Rock Hall has never been about that. Rather, it's about an artist's impact and influence. Fela Kuti's got that in spades. Btw, I predicted Gils-Scott Heron for this year's class.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 23:10pm


Kind of sadden with the Foo Fighters hate. I know they are not the most liked band and don't have the most impressive resume, but it still makes me feel like I'm a stupid human being for liking them in the first place. Any one get what I'm trying to say?

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 23:20pm


Nick,

The reason why that I think Fela Kuti is unworthy of induction is because the other 15 acts on the ballot this year are much more well-known and much more deserving of induction than him IMO.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 23:20pm


Sorry Richie, but that doesn't make sense and I haven't heard you articulate one legitimate reason yet on why Fela Kuti is unworthy. Induction into the Rock Hall has nothing to do with how many albums you sold and how famous you are. It has to be more impact and influence, that's the real reason why someone should be considered for the Rock Hall.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 23:35pm


Sorry Richie, but that doesn't make sense and I haven't heard you articulate one legitimate reason yet on why Fela Kuti is unworthy. Induction into the Rock Hall has nothing to do with how many albums you sold and how famous you are. It has to be more based on impact and influence, that's the real reason why someone should be considered for the Rock Hall.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 23:36pm


Nick,

The reason why I think that Fela Kuti is unworthy of induction is because I don't even know his music, I have never even heard of him, That is the real reason why behind it.

And by the way, Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021 and Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 23:43pm


Also, since Jay-Z isn't winning the fan vote, this is another year where the winner of the fan vote isn't the biggest albums act or the biggest singles act! This also happened in 2015, where SRV beat both Green Day and The Spinners.

Arguably it happened in 2017, as Whitburn's book had yet to be updated, so as far as we knew, Joan Baez was the biggest albums act.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 23:57pm


Just because you're unfamiliar with an artist's music doesn't mean they're unworthy. You should explore his brilliant catalogue and then make a decision if you still feel that way. Go to YouTube, Spotify or iTunes and listen to some of his songs. Yes, he's challenging but he's the masters of the Afrobeat and a massive figure in world music. I'm pretty sure some of your favorite musicians (from McCartney to John to Baker to Morello) are on record praising Fela to no end. And this doesn't even scratch the surface of his importance as a political activist. He's almost too over-qualified for the Rock Hall tbh and I'm kicking myself for not putting him somewhere on my recent Top 100 Project that I just completed. But anyway, to say you think someone is unworthy is not a good reason to dismiss an artist's chance. Take some time and listen to some of his records and let us know what you think of it.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/11/2021 @ 23:57pm


In two days, Fela went from last place to 3rd place!

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 00:02am


Fela Kuti is in 3rd now what the heck?! Sooner or later he is going to surpass the Foo Fighters! Ritchie I don't know what type of thinking you are going for, but man I think you might seriously want to reconsider your stance on a literal zombie passing by like an evening stroll. This might be the most inspiring fan vote winner since SRV!

Change of predictions:

Tina Turner
Carole King
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Fela Kuti
Iron Maiden

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 00:14am


With the way Fela Kuti is moving in the fan poll, I'm convinced that he might be inducted the same way as Jimmy Cliff and Nina Simone as both unknown to most of the general public, but has the respectability that most of the voters will pick him.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 00:17am


African Twitter is going insane now holy crap! Fela is pulling a Mad Max Fury Road on a Mad Max actor!

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 00:17am


Plebian,

I think that even if he wins the fan vote, I still don't see Fela being inducted this year, especially not with bigger and more well-known names on the ballot, I think that he'll be like Dave Matthews Band and not get in despite him being at the top of the fan vote just like DMB were.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 00:20am


Richie

While that may be true, Fela Kuti has something that the Dave Matthews Band doesn't have: Fela has the support of both critics and musicians. While he may not be well known to the public, critics and musicians have nothing but high praise for Fela.

The critical reception of the Dave Matthews band is middling at best and I can't think of any inductees who would vote for DMB other than John Mellencamp and Neil Young.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 00:46am


My predictions for this year's inductees are:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
Devo
Iron Maiden
LL Cool J
New York Dolls
Dionne Warwick

Not Likely/No Chance:

Mary J. Blige
Fela Kuti (Why is he even here?)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 00:48am


Is it just me or is this year's Rock Hall nominations a little..idk...drab? Like I'm glad for everyone of these artists I really do and the diversity this year is a new step forward. Yet, I don't feel as excited? Like my ones in my Magnificent Seven (Foo Fighters and Rage Against The Machine) should get me hype, but I'm rather mute. Fela is really the only one that has gotten me hyped and that's because of the fan ballot plus talk around who he is. The most predicted class (minus Fela) feel boring and predictable. Need a little spice is what I'm saying.

RG, Michael W., K-Dawg, etc...

What are your thoughts? We usually get pretty amped up on this, yet it feels silent. I'm sure the more outspoken Rock Hall Bloggers are happy with the diversity and whatnot. IDK what and I can't put my finger on it.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 02:54am


This just in! Fela is ahead of Foo Fighters! He will surpass Tina Turner sometime later today!

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 03:09am


Will N.,
You have given a twisted scenario for the 5-7 inductees of this highly oddly chosen class of nominees, and it has been stated that this is the most diverse class in quite awhile. May be diverse for race and gender, but certainly not for Music, I can agree with that. The emphasis should be on the music. It is indeed different. The Hall could included Jethro Tull and Kraftwerk to make it more diverse for music. I certainly hope that the RRHOF is not playing games and compromising the true values of what makes music great. But it seems that there is odd things going on behind the scenes, and it leads to diversity of Race and gender. That's very good to see. They are trying are trying to right their ways by looking back on past errors and mistakes. I don't know, either,it is questionable and this class just seems like a weird, and rather bland group. That's because of Foo Fighters, Jay-Z and Rage ATM all at the same time. I did predict Jay-Z and Rage ATM myself. I left out Foo Fighters. I went in favor of Soundgarden.
I was on board for Tina Turner, trying to get some support for her then I was very interested in her getting nominated and Inducted. there was a huge lack of interest. Now that she is extremely past due for induction, having been ignored for years, it is imperative that she be inducted. So Richie.. #1 for me too is Tina Turner.
I will analyze Heavy Metal now. Iron Maiden being the only Heavy Metal 80s Rock band on the board, you pretty much have to induct them for lack of competition. I don't think that Dave Grohl or Tom Morello would allow the Foo Fighters or RATM to be voted in over the legendary Metal band Iron Maiden.. I agree it may be Foo Fighters alongside Iron Maiden. It's a tough call.
Jay-Z is a sure thing. Jay-Z is the kind of act to inducted right away. He is very known, Jay-Z will get inducted fast just like Biggie last year.
The Go-Gos are great soo the Go-Gos have a very good chance.
Now as far as Fela Kuti. I don't think anyone saw that coming at all. But we should not rule out Fela Kuti. He sort of know that he is an international star who has been dead a long while. I don't know if Fela Kuti will get inducted but he may get very close. He has a lack of American Mainstream success to hurt him. But he should not be underestimated. he is acclaimed around the world. I don't think you are a major part of that discussion. I'm just throwing Fela Kuti in the mix.
I will end by saying Carole King is a very good chance. I predicted her 3 years in a row. I was tired pf being wrong. And now she is Nominated. But hey I am glad to be wrong with omitting her. I am so sure Carole King will be inducted. That's it for now.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 06:02am


I'm amped about Dionne maybe finally getting in! A massive star back in 60s who should have been in long ago, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 06:48am


Plebian,

I think the main reason this group of nominees seems a little drab is that it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of suspense about who will get in. Almost everyone expects Jay-Z, Tina Turner, Foo Fighters and Carole King to get inducted and the Go-Go's are on a ton of lists as well. That leaves just one or maybe two spots that most people think are open for debate. I think that's part of why the Fela Kuti surge is so interesting, because it gives hope that something unexpected will happen when the inductees are revealed.

I think another element to it is that musically there's a bit of an adult contemporary vibe to this group. Not every act of course, but Dionne Warwick, Carole King, Tina Turner, Todd Rundgren and Chaka Khan certainly all get played on easy listening stations regularly, and you might hear some songs by the Go-Go's or Mary J Blige there as well. As much as some of us may enjoy, respect and root for those artists, for the most part their music doesn't get you pumped up. It's more mellow. Consequently the ballot feels the same way.

And I'm with you on Foo Fighters. They get knocked for not being Nirvana, but they never were supposed to be. Are they an elite level band? No. But their musical impact shouldn't be dismissed the way it's being done. People want to pray at the altar of influence and innovation, but dismiss songcraft as trite and meaningless. Popularity and accessibility should by no means be the prime determining factors in an artists worthiness, but likewise they shouldn't detract from their worthiness either. Jay-Z is getting some of the same criticisms and it's foolish. I personally listen to Foo Fighters more than any other artist on this ballot.

That being said, I am getting a bit oversaturated on Dave Grohl though. He's kinda everywhere lately.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 07:04am


I have followed this website regularly for the past 15 years, although I have only actively participated for the past couple. I enjoy the conversations, although there is a level of weirdness that comes with the territory. I don't understand proggies, and I never will.

But there are two types of statements that I just can't fathom, and to be honest I'm sorry they show up here at all.

1. I don't know or like (insert artist) therefore they do not belong in the hall of fame.

2. I do not think (insert artist) belongs on the ballot, therefore they are not getting inducted.

The first statement is arrogant to the point of stupidity. Anyone who thinks that their musical tastes and experiences are the end-all of hall worthiness simply can not be taken seriously. If you frequent this website I would hope you would be inspired to listen to more types of music, not double down on your personal favorites.

The second statement is just strange. Any act on the ballot is simply on the ballot, whether you think they belong or not. If you think someone else should be on instead, fine. I think Soundgarden should absolutely be on the ballot this year and I am ticked off they are not. This has nothing to do with whether or not Rage Against the Machine will be inducted.

I have enjoyed reading people's opinions on the ballot. I especially enjoy Ian's takes; I think he always does a great job of breaking things down. Will be looking forward to Alex Voltaire's thoughts. I believe he was one of the few to include Fela Kuti in his predictions. I certainly didn't. I will definitely be posting more of my thoughts later.

And Dude, I really do understand where you are coming from. But I have to disagree with your "rigged" terminology. The hall might be ignoring their own populist creations (kiosk, fan vote) but it honestly doesn't mean the process is rigged. Broken perhaps, but not rigged. It's just the wrong way to word it, in my opinion. There is nothing to suggest the hall is doing anything sneaky or unethical by keeping Motley Crue out. They are simply ignoring them. Thank you for your postings. Some of your articles are really interesting.

Posted by remy10 on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 07:30am


I think that Fela Kuti will end up like Dave Matthews Band and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted just like DMB were last year. I think that there are not very many voters that will vote for him (There are a few that will), but not a lot will vote for him, so I think that Fela will end up like DMB and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 08:03am


Well, they got Jay-Z right. Even if I'm not a fan and much prefer LL, I can't deny his influence. And while I love many on the list, I can't make a case for them over some that haven't been inducted. Nick Cave, The Smiths, Bjork, and hell the mighty John Coltrane have all been left behind. Coltrane, I suppose, could get an influences nod. But these are just a handful that I find as more influential than most on the list that just aren't getting recognition.

Posted by Jeremyadk on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 08:06am


Hey Guys,

I think that this year instead of making predictions for the inductees, I think that you guys should list off the acts in order of likelihood this year from most likely to least likely.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 09:10am


MY PREDICTION FOR THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTION CEREMONY

THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES (COVID-19)

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Chaka Khan
5. Todd Rundgren
6. Fela Kuti
7. Jay-Z

Songwriters Burt Bacharach and Hal David will be inducted in the Non-Performers category. Best known for their work with Dionne Warwick. Burt Bacharach will perform with Dionne Warwick.


MY REASONS

The nominees for the 2020 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony were announced on October 15, 2019. The inductees for the 2020 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony were announced on January 15, 2020. On March 12, 2020, the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame announced that the 2020 induction ceremony would get postponed because of the Coronavirus pandemic. On May 2, 2020, it was announced that November 7, 2020 would be the new date for the 2020 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony. The inductees accepted their awards from the comfort of their own homes because of Covid-19, and it was turned into a show on HBO. The Doobie Brothers, Depeche Mode, T. Rex, Nine Inch Nails, Whitney Houston, The Notorious B.I.G., Irving Azoff and Jon Landau were the 2020 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees. 12 bands and 4 solo artists were nominated in the performers category for 2020.

Looking at the nominees for the 2021 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, it appears the nominating committee is taking precautions because of Covid-19. There are 16 nominees; 10 strong solo choices, and 6 very weak band choices. So I'm calling it right now! There will be no bands inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 2021. The 2021 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony will consist of just 7 solo inductees, for social/physical distancing reasons. That should make for a very intimate induction ceremony. Plus, if there ends up being no ceremony, it would be much cheaper to go to the homes of just 7 solo inductees and film them for the HBO special. Carole King, Tina Turner, and Dionne Warwick are the only locks on the list! They are getting inducted for sure in 2021. No more waiting for them.


THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. Carole King – Rock Royalty. Second induction. She can vote for herself. Friends in high places. Committee members and tons of past inductees will vote for her.

02. Tina Turner – Rock Royalty. Second induction. She can vote for herself. Friends in high places. Committee members and tons of past inductees will vote for her. We Are The World.

03. Dionne Warwick – Rock Royalty. Friends in high places. Committee members and tons of past inductees will vote for her. We Are The World. That's What Friends Are For. She will get the same support that Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Nina Simone got for induction in 2018. Willie Nelson and Harry Belafonte will follow her into the hall next. Dionne Warwick follows her cousin Whitney Houston into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

04. Chaka Khan – 2020 inductees T. Rex, Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers will add to the votes for Chaka Khan, and she will finally be inducted in 2021. Rufus will get nominated again, and Chaka Khan will eventually get a second induction.

05. Todd Rundgren – 2020 inductees T. Rex, Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers will add to the votes for Todd Rundgren, and he will finally be inducted in 2021.

06. Fela Kuti – Dark horse inductee; see Leonard Cohen. According to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is for artists you should know, not artists you do know.

07. Jay-Z – Yeah, whatever! He's getting inducted too!


THE REST OF THE NOMINEES FOR 2021

01. Kate Bush - Will eventually be inducted.

02. LL Cool J - Why do solo dead 90s rappers get inducted before solo living 80s rappers?

03. Mary J. Blige - Will eventually be inducted.

04. New York Dolls - 4 dozen bands have been inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame since the last time New York Dolls were nominated in 2001. Are any of them going to vote for New York Dolls? MC5 didn't get in, Bad Brains didn't get in, Steppenwolf didn't get in, Thin Lizzy didn't get in, J. Geils Band didn't get in. New York Dolls are never getting in. They only had two studio albums.

05. Iron Maiden - AC/DC, Black Sabbath, and Metallica are in. Judas Priest didn't get in, Motorhead didn't get in, Iron Maiden will not get in, at least not this year. It's going to take a while for all three.

06. Devo - See Kraftwerk.

07. The Go-Go's - Pat Benatar didn't get in last year. The Go-Go's are not getting in this year.

08. Rage Against The Machine - Not yet. The voters are still finishing up the 50s-60s-70s.

09. Foo Fighters - This is not Nirvana or Pearl Jam, but they'll get in eventually.


THESE ARE THE 50s-60s-70s-80s BANDS / GROUPS THAT SHOULD BE IN THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME BEFORE ANY OTHERS

The Kingston Trio * The Monkees * Jan and Dean * Peter, Paul and Mary *
The Spinners * The Marvelettes * The Spencer Davis Group *
Jethro Tull * King Crimson * Emerson, Lake & Palmer *
Blood, Sweat & Tears * Kool & The Gang * The Commodores *
The Pointer Sisters * Foreigner * Joy Division / New Order

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 09:17am


Well, I'll chime in on the conversation.

I think this ballot is pretty good. There will always be criticism on the Rock Hall for nominating this one and ignoring that one. I write this every year. You can't please everyone. Personally, I love such nominations like Fela Kuti. This spices things up and shows that Rock'n'Roll or Popular Music doesn't end at US Rock Radio Stations. Fela falls in the category of previous inductions like Nina Simone or Joan Baez. I think he has a very strong chance of induction.

I have made my own criteria catalogue for future inductions. Maybe you can understand my thougts.
There are some criterias that are essential to me.

Musical impact - Did the artist change the way of popular music, like creating or defining a genre? - Kraftwerk comes to my mind. Fela Kuti just fits in here too for his deep impact on Afrobeat.
Musical influence - Did the artist inspire other artists to create music? - Look at Velvet Underground. There's the saying that everyone who bought a VU album had founded a band.
Cultural impact - Did the artist have an impact on society? Such a case would be Detroit singer/songwriter Sixto Rodriguez, who's songs lead to an end of the Apartheid regime in South Africa, or many of the Civil Rights activists like Harry Belafonte, or Sarah McLachlan for making female artists visible on the 90's Lilith Fair festivals.
Uniqueness - That's why I personally have problems with many Classic Rock Bands or some of the Modern Pop singers. They are just interchangeable.

Then there are the criterias I personally don't look at.

Musical quality - For me, it's not important to be a virtuoso guitar hero, creating 12 minute long epics. If you can create deep feelings with three chords in two minutes, it's enough (e.g. Ramones)
Writing your own songs - It shouldn't matter if you're just an interpreter or writing your own stuff. Did Elvis wrote a single song? I don't know, but I definitely won't call him a "cover artist".
Longevity - Good, if you are in the business for 50 years, but you can have all of my main 4 criteria points in just a couple of years like Nirvana or the Beatles or with just one album like Sex Pistols.
Charting positions, number of releases, sales numbers - How many Joy Division albums or songs have charted in the US?
Youtube clicks, spotify numbers - The digital world produces an enormous amount of forgettable music. You can be a phenomenon for about a month and have millions and billions clicks and two years later, nobody reminds the big hit.

I do not criticize the Rock Hall for this ballot. All of this year's nominees fall in at least one of my top 4 criterias. Another thing I wrote last year is the case of the "rigged" kiosk and fan vote. It's definitely not rigged. The Rock Hall said years ago, before the fan vote was created, the top 5 vote getters came on 1 ballot within the voting body. That does not mean, that the winner of this vote will get in automatically, easy as that. It's not rigged, it's just consequent. On the other side, the kiosk is a thing I really can't take serious and I'm happy the Hall itself don't take it serious. The Stevie Nicks solo induction is a mystery to me and I feared, it would lead to a Freddie Mercury solo induction. That was not the case for god's sake.

Now here's my ranking of the current nominees. I say it again, all deserving of nomination and induction sooner or later.

1 - Kate Bush (artistically unique, influential to many young alternative singers)
2 - New York Dolls (David Johansen, Johnny Thunders, Sylvain Sylvain are all icons on their own, a defining role on creating Punk)
3 - Carole King (legendary Singer/Songwriter, a Broadway musical, Kennedy Center Honors, Gershwin Prize in recent years)
4 - Jay-Z (raised Hip Hop to another level)
5 - The Go-Go's (pioneering all-female Rock Band)
6 - Fela Kuti (creating the Afrobeat genre)
7 - Tina Turner (huge name, big influence on emancipation)
8 - Foo Fighters (industry darlings, kept Rock music relevant in times of a shift in popular music)
9 - Iron Maiden (one of the greatest Heavy Metal Bands)
10 - Dionne Warwick (one of the great vocalists of AC, a dream team with Bacharach/David)
11 - LL Cool J (pioneering Hip Hop solist)
12 - Chaka Khan (absolutely deserving, but I would prefer Rufus/Chaka Khan)
13 - Rage Against The Machine (crossover pioneers, socially relevant)
14 - Mary J. Blige (incredible R'n'B artist with stylistic evolution over the years)
15 - Devo (New Wave pioneers)
16 - Todd Rundgren (would best fit in the Musical Excellence category, which I think is probably created thinking of him)

Another thing I'm kinda glad with is our Rock Hall Projected. The Fela Kuti nomination shows the vision of this project, Fela was inducted years ago. Tina Turner, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige and the Go-Go's all were inducted in recent years, and Dionne Warwick is already nominated this year after 2 weeks of induction voting. All the others were inducted long ago. I'd call this impressive.

Posted by MichaelEU on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 10:16am


Greg F,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 11:33am


Our Nigerian voters will be upset if Fela doesn't get inducted. Let's hope the Hall doesn't make a mistake again.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 11:34am


Follower,

But I think that they will again.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 11:42am


Nice writeup, MichaelEU. Enjoyed reading your comments. Good points about all in our Hall except for Ms. Warwick (and I really hope we will induct her this year).

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 12:02pm


"There is nothing to suggest the hall is doing anything sneaky or unethical by keeping Motley Crue out. They are simply ignoring them."

But what they did to the kiosk twice is wrong, and it's now broken. They screwed over DMB last year with the fan ballot, and they're likely to do it again with whoever is the most voted nominee. I'm am done speculating the Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors Like; the current system is nothing but a joke and a sham along with the Greg Harris, John Sykes, and other so-called "businessmen." They're like ex-friends who lied to you so much, they don't realize they're lying.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 13:01pm


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https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2021.html

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 13:02pm


So when do we learn?

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 13:24pm


Richie,

Carole King
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's
Fela Kuti
Jay-Z
If six: Iron Maiden
If seven: Foo Fighters
If eight: LL Cool J

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 13:27pm


It seems like we will know in the first or second week in May.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 13:44pm


Don't expect me to do anymore predictions here. Even if Motley Crue, Dave Matthews Band, and Fela Kuti gets inducted years from now, fans will complain how postmature it was. The damage is done, making the current system a joke and a sham.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 13:45pm


Greg, that's a relief. I was expecting October.

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 13:59pm


The Dude,

Okay then why are you still here? Everyone else on this forum, including people who are very disappointed in this ballot, at least has something substantive to contribute to the conversation, whether it's talking about what they like/dislike about the ballot, thoughts about the artists, predictions, etc. Basically every post you've made for months has just been repeating the same tired complaints and catchphrases again and again and again. You're not convincing anyone of "the truth" with these rants, you're just annoying us.

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 14:04pm


I'm exposing the truths and lies of the Hall, not annoying anybody. I'm finding another method to contribute here. If they don't give a flying f*ck about their consumerism anymore like they were last decade, then I don't give a sh*t anymore no matter who gets nominated and inducted - they're out of touch as major sports leagues and Hollywood.

I'm just either waiting for it to get shut down or be destroyed by the disaffected rioters. Are the selfish watchers who have no knowledge in business, economics, consumerism are happy now?

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 14:52pm


Dude, don't make us kick you out of the conversation......

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 14:53pm


I would predict right now if Motley and DMB weren't omitted UNFAIRLY because business and consumerism matters, but why bother talking about the induction processes? This could happen again with Fela, since he's number one the ballot. Greg Harris is out of touch and hated as Roger Goodell to the general public.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 15:08pm


https://www.acclaimedmusic.net/top_artists/t0.htm

Here are the list of nominated artists this year that are on the list of the most critically acclaimed artists in music history:

Jay-Z is at #36
Kate Bush is at #91
Foo Fighters is at #195
Carole King is at #227
Rage Against The Machine is at #239
LL Cool J is at #289
Iron Maiden is at #296
Todd Rundgren is at #309
New York Dolls is at #311
Devo is at #356
Mary J. Blige is at #410
Fela Kuti is at #498
Dionne Warwick is at #537
Tina Turner is at #682
The Go-Go's is at #769
Chaka Khan is at #1265

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 15:26pm


So when are Troy, Charles, Eric, Nick, Alex, Philip, Michelle, Jason, Donny, and Joe going to post their reactions to this class?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 17:34pm


So when are Troy, Charles, Eric, Nick, Alex, Philip, Michelle, Jason, Donny, and Joe going to post their reactions to this class?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 17:34pm


Is it just me, or do I think part of the reason why the Hall doesn't set up a nominees page for the 16 artists is because it'll give another easy access/leak for who'll be the final 5-7 artists who are going to be inducted?

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 17:41pm


Follower,
Expect a blog to be published by the end of this weekend.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 17:46pm


Nick,

Thank you!

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 17:50pm


John R.C.,

Did you hear the news about the passing of Longtime Rock Hall Watcher Robert Parks aka Underground Democrat from Charles Crossley Jr.'s site (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ourrockandrollhalloffame71305/top-of-the-charts-f1/), He was from that same site that you are on sometimes, He had been recovering from heart surgery and Charles was guessing it was a multiple bypass surgery, and TimeHasComeToday said on Charles's site that he saw some Facebook posts is that he was in a coma from a massive stroke, where the doctors it didn't look good, and he passed (in no more than a week) on December 31st of last year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 17:57pm


Both of these pop bands wrote their own songs and played their instruments. Both bands only charted top 40 singles between 1981 and 1985. Compare:

Band A:
1981 album - 6x platinum, 1983 album - 3x platinum, 1985 album - gold
1981 singles - #1, #1, 1982 single - #28, 1983 singles - #3, #6

Band B:
1981 album - 2x platinum, 1982 album - gold
1981 singles - #2, #20, 1982 - #8, 1984 - #11, #32

One of the bands is nominated for the RNRHOF and the other isn't and never will be. I know that charts aren't supposed to be criteria for the RNRHOF, I get that, this is just for comparison of bands that were singles driven pop bands.

One of the bands is the Go-Go's (Band B) and the other is Men at Work (Band A). Their resumes are interchangeable. I like the work of both of the bands. Fun early 80's pop, nothing more or less. Not HOF worthy.

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 18:35pm


"Did you hear the news about the passing of Longtime Rock Hall Watcher Robert Parks aka Underground Democrat from Charles Crossley Jr.'s site (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ourrockandrollhalloffame71305/top-of-the-charts-f1/)," -richie

UD was a good brother. I miss talking politics and sharing Americana recommendations with him.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 19:09pm


Don't look now, but Fela Kuti is now leading the fan poll at rockhall.com, the R&R HoF website.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 20:43pm


And he's highly likely the next act to be unfairly omitted, which is why I no longer do any predictions and speculations on this site.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 21:01pm


The Dude,

As well as he should be, He just doesn't deserve to be in there, not over Tina Turner, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, Carole King, The Go-Go's, Rage Against The Machine, Dionne Warwick, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige, Devo, Todd Rundgren, Jay-Z, LL Cool J, New York Dolls and Kate Bush. I think his spot really should have gone to either Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton or Garth Brooks as they are more household names from other genres than Fela, So I think that it'll be a repeat of last year and Fela won't get in this year despite being #1 in the fan vote just like DMB didn't get in last year despite being #1 in the fan vote also.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 21:20pm


Richie:

There is a reason why the Nominating Committee put Fela Kuti in the ballot. He is really important to music and everyone knows him. Critics know and praise him. Inductees know him. He was major influence on a lot of inductees, including Talking Heads and Paul McCartney. Even fellow nominee Jay Z helped produce the Broadway musical about him. Fela Kuti has fans in both high and low places.

So again, saying that an artist doesn't deserve to be in the Hall just because you don't know him/her/them isn't a good argument.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 21:50pm


They really should just induct Chaka, Fela and Todd as MEs this year alongside the top 5 Performers. Clear the ballot for future years.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 21:50pm


John R.C.,

But it's the same situation that we saw last year, It's the DMB problem all over again, I just don't think that Fela is that worthy to be inducted as a Performer, As an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient? Yes, but not as a Perfomer, I'm sorry, but he just doesn't deserve to be inducted as a Performer, IMO.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 22:06pm


If Fela gets omitted unfairly, don't be surprised if the Hall gets any backlashes from political communications, especially the extremists who are into woke politics. It'd be more controversial than the fan outrage of Motley Crue and DMB.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 22:29pm


Miles Davis, Joan Baez and Nina Simone all weren't Rock, but were still beloved by many musicians regardless and all three of them were bigger names in general than Fela was, so that is going to hurt him more than the others that I mentioned (Miles Davis, Joan Baez and Nina Simone) when they were nominated, IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 22:44pm


Bigger names... in the U.S. Go to Nigeria and ask who's bigger: Joan Baez or Fela Kuti.

I don't know about Fela's chances, but I am thrilled to see his nomination happen. Rock and roll doesn't belong to just cis-het White men, predominantly American. I think it's awesome to see the Hall thinking this widely outside of the Trunk.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 22:57pm


"the Hall thinking outside the Trunk"
-Phillip

I see what you did. If only I knew how to post images here, I would've posted the Captain America "I understood that reference" gif.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 23:15pm


Thanks, I actually coined that one a few years ago. Nice to see it still holds up.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 23:26pm


Lol Eddie Trunk must be fuming on this ballot.

I just noticed another trend in this ballot. You know how like all three hard rock acts (Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy, and Motörhead) managed to cancel each other out last year? Well, in this year's ballot it seems all the R and B acts (minus Tina) are doing the same (Mary J. Blige, Chaka Khan, and Dionne Warwick [though I suppose Warwick is does not fit in that genre]).

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 23:42pm


Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 23:46pm


Another thought,

Is it kind of ironic Rage is the least spoken of their Rock Hall nomination? They did not mention it on their Twitter and Tom Morello has not really spoken as of late. All of the other nominees have at least talked about their own (Kate Bush probably is aware of it though she is private about herself so she does not count).

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 01:50am


Forgot Iron Maiden, kind of funny that the loudest, more aggressive acts have been awfully quiet.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 01:53am


I think Richie is getting some unfair criticism. The FRL Regulars and some other music fans and critics typed out their 15-20 groups for their RRHOF nominees. Many were given extra time from October to early February to finalize their ballots. I might have seen Fela Kuti mentioned twice at the most 3 times in over 50+ ballots. Plenty of music fans and critics missed on Fela Kuti. It's still early in the fan voting and the RRHOFers will have the final decision. They will be receiving and sending in their ballots. It will be difficult for Kuti to be voted in. Carole King, Tina Turner, and Iron Maiden are usually up there every year for Top snubs. All 3 are on the ballot this year including 2 appear to be locks in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z. LL Cool J could be a sentimental FAV with his 6 Nominations and Influence on later rappers. I still can't believe he's not inducted. The Go-Go's are finally on the ballot and will receive their share of votes. New York Dolls and Todd Rundgren could be Wild Cards receiving votes from the 70's RRHOF hard rock and metal artists. Kuti's Induction is no sure thing. Richie was correct when DMB outlasted the nominee field in 2020 winning the fan vote but fell short with the voters. It could happen again. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 02:14am


RG,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021 and Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2021 as well?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 10:25am


It seems to be somewhat obvious that Fela Kuti was nominated as a Wild Card, out of left field, under the radar artist. It figures that maybe the committee knew that he would garner a whole lot of support, and really stir up the mix a bit. And it appears that is precisely what is happening right out of the gate..
My first general impression, looking at the entirety of this class is that you have 5 to 7 higher tier artists nominated, and after that I feel that it drops off to more of a level playing field of mid tier artists. And as Plebian stated a lot of these would more than likely would cancel each other out. I am asking, Does this indicate that what is going on here would ensure that those Top 7 or so artists will have an easier path to induction without much competition?
Rather than nominate 10 or 15 higher tier artists, which I feel is the more fair and engaging approach, and let 'em all duke it out.
For me, after the more major top artists, you have the remainder of the field probably all competing for one last possible slot. Then you have wild card Fela Kuti providing most all of the excitement with his strong fan support showing.
On Roy's point of Kool and the Gang or The Commodores not being nominated and snubbed again, I totally agree. Say in place of Mary J. Blige, but it looks as though their intentions with this class was to go overboard with Female artists, which can be a great thing, perhaps for this year was to overcompensate for a lack of Female nominees in the past.. Any thoughts?

____

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 11:30am



Will N.
Some great points as usual. Maybe, the Committtee is a little frustrated. They have nominated Chic, Rufus, The Meters, The Spinners, WAR, etc in that slot on the ballot and haven't got much traction. It seems the rappers and some of the pop artists are getting inducted. NWA, 2PAC, Biggie, and I think Jay-Z should be next. Kool & The Gang is a group that should be nominated. I think they could earn inducted. They made some classic songs Celebration, Cherish, Fresh, Emergency, Jungle Boogie, Ladies Night, Misled, Tonight, Victory, and several others. I think Bill G. and Roy have made good cases for Kool & The Gang.
I'm interested in how it shakes out. I've read and seen a few places that the voting body has ballooned to 1,000+ voters. Would be interested who are these other 700 or so voters. My guess there's probably 200-300 from the RRHOFers. Some have been dying off in 2018, 2019, and 2020. Dionne Warwick is an interesting case. The Committee makes it difficult for her with Chaka, Carole, Mary J., Tina, all battling for votes. New York Dolls could be the surprise if they get most of the Hard Rock and other 70's and 80's rockers votes. I don't think the Dolls have the resume of some artists but they have Influence. It seems those groups that have plenty of Influence have been inducted lately. EX:Roxy Music, The Cars, T. Rex spring to mind. Agree on Fela Kuti. His nomination and surprise ride to the top of the fan voting has made things interesting. Could be many final combinations. Roy could make 15 or 20 interesting combinations of Inductees. If they add Kraftwerk as an Early Influence and Todd Rundgren as a Musical Excellence, then this could be a special class. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 12:07pm


My predictions for this year's inductees are:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Rage Against The Machine
Tina Turner

Musical Excellence:

Todd Rundgren

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Dionne Warwick

Minimal Chance:

Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
Devo
LL Cool J

Not Likely/No Chance:

Mary J. Blige
Fela Kuti (Why is he even here?. It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 13:07pm


Richie,

What about Early Influence Kraftwerk? I'm pretty sure it'll happen this year.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 13:39pm


Follower,

I think that they'll give Kraftwerk a couple more tries before finally putting them in on their eighth nomination just like Black Sabbath and The Stooges.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 13:53pm


Thanks KING,
I agree with you on the possibility of the New York Dolls having a chance for induction, if they can fall into and occupy the Roxy Music/ T.Rex slot. I have a funny feeling that slot may be overwhelmed this time around by the competition, and I have them right outside the Top 6, so they have a shot at one of the last slots, but they could also get shut out. Sort of a toss up, I suppose.

I wanted to ask you, KING, what you think on the chances of Iron Maiden for induction? I am predicting that they get inducted, mainly for being the only pre- 90's Heavy Rock act on the bill, so they should accumulate a lot of votes. And they are one of the most well deserving acts out of the nominees, and for the lack of competition in the Hard Rock/ Metal genre definitely works in their favor. They are absolutely by far the Top Rock act in this Class, so I would be interested in your take on Iron Maiden, as I know you are a big fan, and speak very highly of them.
Thanks, - Will N.
___

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 14:55pm


Will N.,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021 and Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2021 as well?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 15:03pm


Priest came in last or near last both times they were nominated. Part of me thinks they nominated Maiden because of both the Kiosk (they are part of the kiosk trio with Styx and blink-182 in that all 3 of them have performed well since it started) and because they come from the same scene.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 15:21pm


But because Priest did so poorly I doubt Maiden will do any better.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 15:22pm


Donnie posted his reactions!

https://donniesblogwordpresscom.wordpress.com/2021/02/13/my-thoughts-on-the-2021-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/

Why haven't FLR RT'd this?

Posted by Follower on 02/13/2021 @ 11:55am

TO DONNIE

You've got Carole King listed twice under 1970s

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 15:23pm


Follower,

But there's one thing that Maiden has that Priest didn't is because they have virtually no competition this year in terms of Classic Rock/Hard Rock/Metal, plus they are much more well-known worldwide so that's why I think they are one of the Wild Cards/Dark Horses for induction this year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 15:31pm


Here's who I think will induct who if they get in this year.

Foo Fighters: David Letterman
Tina Turner: Mick Jagger
Devo: Weird Al Yankovic
New York Dolls: Joan Jett
Kate Bush: Peter Gabriel
Dionne Warwick: Burt Bacharach
Mary J. Blige: Alicia Keys
Iron Maiden: Metallica
Fela Kuti: David Byrne
LL Cool J: Eminem
Chaka Khan: Questlove
Jay-Z: Kendrick Lamar
Carole King: Sara Bareilles
Rage Against The Machine: Run the Jewels
The Go-Go's: P!nk
Todd Rundgren: Daryl Hall

And the possibility of ME and Early Influence:

Big Mama Thornton: Brittany Howard
Kraftwerk: Aphex Twin (I hope this won't happen, but you never know)

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 17:31pm


Hey Guys,

My predictions for this year's inductees are:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Rage Against The Machine
Tina Turner

Musical Excellence:

Todd Rundgren

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Dionne Warwick

Small/Minimal Chance:

Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
Devo
LL Cool J

Not Likely/No Chance:

Mary J. Blige
Fela Kuti (Why is he even here?. It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 17:52pm


RG,

When the nominees came out on Wednesday, You said that your predictions for this year's inductees were:

Tina Turner
Jay-Z
Carole King
Todd Rundgren
The Go-Go's
Rage Against The Machine or Foo Fighters

If 7: New York Dolls

Now, Are your predictions for this year's inductees still the same as they were when the nominees came out on Wednesday or have you changed them a little?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 18:37pm


Who started the idea that Kraftwerk will be considered EI? They are a strong I, like the #1 I amongst current snubs, but there's nothing E about them.

Anyway, my predictions:

Tina Turner
Carole King
Todd Rundgren
The Go-Go's
Dionne Warwick
If 6: Jay-Z
If 7: Foo Fighters

If there are other awards:

Early Influence: Duke Ellington
Musical Excellence: Brian Eno
Ahmet Ertegun: Rick Rubin

And if they ever go back to inducting session musicians / side performers:

Carol Kaye (not sure anymore where session musicians fit in the current award scheme, but they're getting ignored and that sucks)

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 18:46pm


Hey FRL regulars....
There have been some significant changes on the site today under the hood, so please leave a comment if you find something broken.
Thanks all.

Posted by FRL on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 18:56pm


Can you go back to printing the name of the day the comments are posted?

It used to be:

"Posted by .... on _day, date @ time"

Now it's just date @ time

It was easier to determine how old a post was that way, at least for me.

Posted by joker on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 19:12pm


http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/top_artists/t0.htm

Jay-Z is at #36
Kate Bush is at #91
Foo Fighters are at #195
Carole King is at #227
Rage Against The Machine are at #239
LL Cool J is at #289
Iron Maiden are at #296
Todd Rundgren is at #309
New York Dolls are at #311
Devo are at #356
Mary J. Blige is at #410
Fela Kuti is at #498
Dionne Warwick is at #537
Tina Turner is at #682
The Go-Go's are at #769
Chaka Khan is at #1265

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 19:26pm


Hey FRL admins!

As long as you are making site changes; how about changing the comment sorting on the threads so the new comments show up at the top of the thread? That way we don't have to spend so much time scrolling down to the bottom!

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 20:24pm


Thanks, man!

Cool

Posted by joker on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 20:37pm


@Shrek... not opposed to that. As far as the scrolling, so you use the "post your own" link (that jumps to the bottom) at the top of the comments?

Posted by FRL on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 20:46pm


I absolutely love The Go-Go's (Belinda Carlisle, Charlotte Caffey, Jane Wiedlin, Kathy Valentine and Gina Schock), they are the band/artists I give my heart and my vote to.

Posted by Michael Holloway on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 22:25pm


Not gonna lie, but compared to other Hall of Fame Watcher communities like Sports and Movies, we tend to be the most toxic. Why is that? Seriously I look at other Sports or Movie Hall of Fame forums and they seem to be the most chill people out there whereas when I check the Rock Hall forums it's always the same complaints over and over again.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 22:41pm


My predictions for this year's inductees are:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Dionne Warwick

Small/Minimal Chance:

Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
Devo
LL Cool J

Not Likely/No Chance:

Mary J. Blige
Fela Kuti (Why is he even here?. It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 23:12pm


WILL N.
Thanks for your post. KING must have dozed off. I like Iron Maiden's chances. Remember a few years ago. They gave The Zombies little direct competition on the ballot. The Zombies earned Induction. I hope a similar situation happens for Iron Maiden. That goes to the question: Who would Vote for Iron Maiden? My guess the usual suspects: AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Guns N' Roses, KISS, Metallica, Rush, Van Halen, etc. Groups usually have 4+ members. That's when the votes add up. Most of these hard rock and metal bands have toured together on concert tours or festivals. I would say friendships and respect develop on the road. There appears to be a strong hard rock and metal community. The British block of voters have been strong last few years. Def Leppard, Dire Straits, Roxy Music, T. Rex, The Cure etc have been voted in recent years. It hasn't helped Judas Priest though. I think Iron Maiden might receive some votes from unexpected voters. What I mean by that...You sometimes hear people say I don't like metal in general but I like Iron Maiden. They will need those type of voters to insure their induction.
Somebody mentioned about Kraftwerk as EI. That was brought up by a few Committee members. It's now 2021. The late 1960's and early 1970's is now 50+ years ago. It could be used as a way to backdoor a group like Kraftwerk into the RRHOF. As I said before, 8-10 years from now, most people won't remember how a group was inducted. They will know they are in the Rock & Roll HOF. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 02/13/2021 @ 23:55pm


Kraftwerk as EI is the single most embarrassing thing i've read in years, despite all of the ideological nonsens. This really should not happen. Sorry for my harsh words.

Posted by MichaelEU on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 00:13am


Will there be special categories this year?

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 00:16am


Will N.,
I agree it's somewhat obvious that Fela Kuti was nominated as a Wild Card, out of left field, under the radar artist. I think that the Committee knew he would gain a whole lot of support, and really stir things up. I have an African friend at work. And it appears that is precisely what is happening right out of the gate. This friend is from Burkina Faso, I believe it's near Nigeria. I asked him about Fela Kuti. The African friend says it's one of his favorite stars in music. He only came to America 2 years ago. So while we may not know a lot about him that certainly very popular in Africa. He is a left field here in America. I don't think he will get inducted this year but he may get close. I just wanted to throw in that I asked about a friend about Fela Kuti. I don't scorn hid appearance on the ballot.
I do agree a lot of these mid tier acts will cancel eachother out. You make some excellent points. Always good to see you on here. I think the class will be mostly major top artists but the last possible slot will go to the New York Dolls. It's a toss up. I definitely think Iron Maiden are getting inducted. They are the only 80s Metal band on the ballot. They have no competition. That's my view on Iron Maiden. They are the Top Rock act on this ballot. I am not the big fan that you and King are but I know them well enough. They were one of the top Heavy metal acts back in the 80s. I think they will get lots of votes.
My question what the hell happens to the Guess Who? There is a question for us to ponder. They could easily have been nominated this year. I look forward to hearing from ya. Talk to ya soon

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 06:53am


I've made a deal about the biggest singles and albums acts over the most recent classes, but what I want to know is:

Who is the biggest singles act in the entire HoF?
Who is the biggest singles act not in the HoF?
Who is the biggest albums act by sales in the HoF?
Who is the biggest albums act by sales not in the HoF?
Who is the biggest albums act by charts in the HoF?
Who is the biggest albums act by charts not in the HoF?

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 15:36pm


Elvis is the top singles artist ever on the charts. Biggest not in the Hall is Mariah Carey.

Beatles are the top albums act on the charts. Dave Matthews Band are the most successful albums act under the rock umbrella not in the Hall of Fame.

If you scroll up, you'll see I posted a few days ago the rankings from the 2015 Singles and 2016 Albums books from Joel Whitburn for rock-related artists.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 16:00pm


Which 5-7 acts do you think should get in this year, Which 5-7 acts do you think will get in this year and Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 17:09pm


Will they do singles again this year?

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 17:22pm


Casper,

What if we go outside the Rock Umbrella? And what about Album Sales? Charts =/=Sales, as last year Whitney was the biggest albums act by sales but DMB was the biggest by charts.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 17:22pm


This is a great ballot! I would love to see Carole King, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick get in. Iron Maiden deserves to be inducted as well. Judas Priest should have been nominated. Heavy metal bands deserve more consideration.

Posted by Chris on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 18:13pm


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Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 18:17pm


Which 5-7 acts do you guys think should get in this year, Which 5-7 acts do you guys think will get in this year and Which acts do you guys have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 18:25pm


SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR
RATES THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2021.html

10 - Jay-Z
9 - Mary J. Blige
8 - LL Cool J
7 - Carole King
7 - Tina Turner
7 - Chaka Khan
7 - Iron Maiden
7 - Foo Fighters
7 - The Go-Go's
6 - Fela Kuti
6 - Rage Against The Machine
5 - Dionne Warwick
5 - Todd Rundgren
5 - New York Dolls
5 - Kate Bush
5 - Devo

Critiques and Ratings (12 pages)

150 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Candidates by Sampson of Digital Dream Door

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_halloffame_x1.html

THE CURRENT ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME QUALIFICATION SCALE
BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

10 - The Immortals
9 - Deserves To Be A First Ballot Lock
8 - Should Be Guaranteed An Induction
7 - An Eventual Induction Is Likely
6 - Should Be Nominated At Some Point
5 - Worthy Of At Least A Debate For A Nomination
4 - Not Insignificant, But Shouldn't Be Nominated
3 - No Business Being Debated By Committee
2 - No Business Being Even Mentioned
1 - No Business Visiting The Hall Of Fame Without a Ticket

THE OLD ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME QUALIFICATION SCALE
BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

1 - Non-existant
2 - Mostly Insignificant
3 - Recognizable, But Minor Credentials
4 - Modest Accomplishments
5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
6 - Strong Case To Be Made
7 - Solid Choice
8 - Unquestioned Credentials
9 - Dominant Artist
10 - The Immortals

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• Candidates A-C
• Candidates C-F
• Candidates G-K
• Candidates L-P
• Candidates P-S
• Candidates T-Z
• Unlikely Candidates
• Sidemen Candidates
• Early Influences
• Outside Genre
• Non-Performers
• Inductees 1986-Present

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 18:53pm


Which 5-7 acts do you guys think should get in this year, Which 5-7 acts do you guys think will get in this year and Which acts do you guys have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 18:25pm

THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Chaka Khan
5. Kate Bush
6. Mary J. Blige
7. The Go-Go's

OR

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Chaka Khan
5. Todd Rundgren
6. Mary J. Blige
7. Jay-Z

OR

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Chaka Khan
5. Todd Rundgren
6. Iron Maiden
7. Foo Fighters

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 19:01pm


FRL - The reason for the sort order change I asked for is specifically related to hot topics like this one, that wind up long.

If I go away for a few days and want to catch up on the discussion here; when I click into this topic, the first thing I have to do is start scrolling down to find where I left off before. And as the topic gets longer, that gets tiresome, especially when I'm reading in my iPhone.

If the sort order were reversed, I'd be at the most recent comment and not have to scroll through comments I'd already seen. It would always just be the comments since I last stopped by.

I can't be the only person who has ever thought this would be a useful change?

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 19:42pm


RG, Plebian, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Shrek, Nick and others,

Please don't predict Fela Kuti to get in this year, The fan vote doesn't really matter anymore, It really doesn't, I think that Fela will become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band (aka DMB) last year, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 19:57pm


RG, Plebian, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Greg F, Shrek, Nick, John R.C. and others,

Please don't predict Fela Kuti to get in this year, The fan vote doesn't really matter anymore, It really doesn't, I think that Fela will become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band (aka DMB) last year, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 20:08pm


Now I really want to predict Fela Kuti even more for the class of 2021. It's plausible for all the reasons I've already stated over the last few days.

I will release my next blog on the 2021 Nominees later tonight or more likely tomorrow morning.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 20:14pm


Nick,

Please don't predict him to get in this year, The fan vote doesn't really matter anymore, It really doesn't, I think that Fela will become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band (aka DMB) last year, It'll be the same thing we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 20:21pm


Richie

What do you have against Fela Kuti? Since the announcement, you mostly posting that Fela Kuti is unworthy for not just induction, but also for induction because you don't know him or his music. Even if we provided information why Fela Kuti is one of the most important artists in the last 50 years, you still weren't convinced. By your logic, maybe LaVern Baker and Del Shannon are unworthy for induction because I don't know much about them.

Again, doing research and listening to their music is a better way to understand an artist instead of not knowing.

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 20:28pm


John R.C.

The reason why I think Fela Kuti is not worthy for induction is because of two things:

1. There are too many other better-known acts on the ballot this year

2. I think he deserves induction, but I think it should be as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 20:32pm


Ritchie,
Did you copy and paste your initial post as a reply to my comment? I think it's word-for-word the same thing. Anyway, please listen to Fela's music before you say he's not worthy of induction. He's an incredible musician and one of the most influential musicians of the last half-century. Check out YouTube or Spotify for a sampling of his greatest works. Also, there's an Alex Gibney documentary "Finding Fela" (2014) that is streaming online (including Kanopy, which is for free through your public or academic library card).

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 20:39pm


Sorry, Richie I forgot there's no "t" in your name.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 20:45pm


Hey Ben,
Thanks. Good to here from you. I was expecting some response from you on the nominations. I've broke it down somewhat and put in my two cents a little bit.. More on that later..
Yeah, so much for the Guess Who.. maybe next year. And all of the other numerous predictions that everyone had posted.. I believe most all who predicted hit on about 4 or 5 nominees on average, including FRL. More on that later as well..
You and especially Nick were right about Tina Turner.. I thought she would get the cold shoulder again, but hopefully her long overdue induction will come..

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 21:05pm


Richie,
You inquired again on my induction predictions, which I had responded to you with some detail about 3 days ago.
Recapping, in my own ranking order, I posted:

#1. Tina Turner
#2. Iron Maiden
#3. Jay-Z
#4. The Go-Go's
#5. Carole King
#6. Foo Fighters -(could replace with RATM)- possible
--and if 7
#7. LL Cool J or New York Dolls

Wild Cards/ Dark Horse -- Kate Bush, or Fela Kuti

___

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 21:13pm


From my recent "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project," 12 of the selected artists made the 2021 ballot (including half in the top-ten!):
#1: Tina Turner
#5: LL Cool J
#7: Kate Bush
#8: Rage Against the Machine
#10: Carole King
#12: Chaka Khan (with Rufus; but I'm counting it)
#27: Iron Maiden
#34: The Go-Go's
#36: Dionne Warwick
#43: Devo
#55: New York Dolls
#66: Mary J. Blige

Jay-Z and Foo Fighters weren't considered because they weren't eligible (or snubbed yet; but that's unlikely to happen). Todd Rundgren should be considered more for the Non-Performers category for his producing credits (mention that in my "Introduction"). So technically Fela Kuti is the only artist I didn't rank on the list nominated this year. Not bad at all.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 21:33pm


I think that if Fela Kuti gets in this year, It will be either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 21:38pm


Richie,

You just reinforced everyone to vote for Fela Kuti even more. I seriously think you should try listening to him with a no bias look.


RG, Will N., and KING,

Is it possible that Rage could upset Foo Fighters?

And another thing...
What is with the Rage hate lately? Is it their politics again or that people just in general can't stand them? What gives?

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 21:41pm


RG, Plebian, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Greg F, Shrek, Nick, John R.C.

My predictions for this year's inductees are:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Tina Turner
Rage Against The Machine (If 6)
Todd Rundgren (If 7)

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Dionne Warwick

Small/Minimal Chance:

Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
Devo
LL Cool J

Not Likely/No Chance:

Mary J. Blige
Fela Kuti (Why is he even here?. It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row, besides I think he belongs more in either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient rather than as a Performer)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 21:49pm


I think Fela Kuti has the votes to get inducted. They won't put him the early influence or musical excellence. I have a strong feeling he's gonna get in as a performer. Don't be surprised if he does the votes are there.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 21:51pm


Greg F,

But you're wrong, I really think that they will put him in either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 21:55pm


The votes are there. He's well respected by critics and musicians. I really think he could have the most votes. Again don't be surprised if he gets in.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 22:02pm


Please stick to compiling lists of people's predictions Richie. You seem very passionate about the Rock Hall, but it's painful to read the same things over and over again.

Posted by Ryan on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 22:10pm


Greg F,

As I've said it before, I really think that you're wrong, I really think that he'll end up more like John Prine than Miles Davis, Joan Baez and Nina Simone, I just think that he's way too obscure to get an induction this year over bigger and more well-known names on the ballot, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row, I really think that if he gets in this year, It'll be either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 22:12pm


Plebian,

I haven't been seeing any RATM hate recently, so I'm really not sure what you're referring to.

As for them vs. Foo Fighters, I think it's highly possible! My current prediction is that one will definitely get in, but not both. I totally take your point about them being distinct enough to both be inducted, but I think with such a stacked and Rock-light ballot, they will compete for votes just by virtue of being the only two post-1990 Rock acts on the ballot.

I think the thing about the two bands is that the Foo Fighters are more popular and widely liked in the broad sense, while Rage has a much more specific sense of critical acclaim, innovation, and social/political relevance. Both are valid and important arguments for induction, and will net each band plenty of votes, but it's difficult to say which will win out. I will say this, the sense of inevitability that people feel about the Foo Fighters this year feels, to me, very similar to the sense of inevitability that people felt about Pat Benatar last year.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 22:16pm


Ryan,

Thank you for the comment, I am very passionate about the Rock Hall and yes, I'll stick to compiling lists of people's predictions and I promise that I won't do the same thing over and over again.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 22:20pm


RG,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 22:23pm


Interestingly, RATM has been very silent on their 3rd nomination and I haven't heard of any backlash thrown at them. Interestingly, they kinda feel like an afterthought in the wake of the nomination announcement last Wednesday. Kate Bush, of course, didn't make a statement either but that's not all that surprising.

Now thinking....has Jay-Z and Mary J. Blige publicly commented on his nomination? For some reason, I don't think so yet.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 22:31pm


^ I think everyone else or the families of deceased musicians (e.g. Fela Kuti) has commented on their nominations since the announcement.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 22:35pm


Nick,

Yeah, that is what I observed with Rage on their Twitter. I guess they are wanting to play fairly with the others competing because Tom is part of the committee and it would come off as insider baseball. On the other hand, they probably treat their nomination like NIN or Depeche Mode when they got nominations and their reactions were basically, "Go vote for us...I guess" and move on. Strange that Mary J. Blige and Jay-Z have not commented on theirs. Kate Bush is not surprising, she is an extremely private person despite her very showy persona.

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 02/14/2021 @ 23:03pm


Last year: The Hard Rock Ballot where all the hard rock acts aside from NIN got left out.
This year: The Pandering Ballot. The class may just be all white guys aside from probably Tina.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 00:33am


Felt Kuto will make a statement. The statement they can't seem to do with Kraftwerk. They do want to prove that rock n roll is more than a transatlantic trend. He will get in, I predict

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 00:34am


Thats Fela Kuti. Stupid autocorrect

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 00:35am


K-Dawg,

But he won't, Not as a Performer, maybe as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, I just think that he's way too obscure to get inducted this year over bigger and more well-known names on the ballot, I think that Fela will become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band (aka DMB) last year, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 00:51am



Thank you Roy for providing the links to the nominees page.

Having just read Fela Kuti's page, I'm more convinced that Fela Kuti deserves to be inducted, and in the Performer category.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 01:12am


If Burt Bacharach is inducted in the non-performers category, he can't be the presenter for Dionne Warwick.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 04:00am


'Felt Kuto' would be a good band name :-)

Prog rock or something like that...

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 06:41am


Will N,.
I am disappointed like you to some extent. In fact Fela Kuti brings excitement to the mix. You mentioned how it's not really diverse with music. If the Hall had included Pat Benatar, the Guess Who, Jethro Tull, Kraftwerk, Herbie Hancock and Kool and the Gang. Also the Commodores, the Pointer Sisters and the Spinners could have been on this ballot. Then that would have made it diverse for music. I highly support a nomination of Kool & the Gang. They had from Jazzy tunes like Summer Madness, an early hit Jungle Boogie. And then they went on to huge pop hits like Lady's Night and Celebration. I know them rather well. I think the ones above as examples would have made this ballot more diverse. It should be noted I did not just list White Rock guys left out. Kool & the Gang would have been great on the ballot. Roy listed Kool & the Gang or the Commodores not being nominated and are snubs again. I totally agree. Would these names I just said have made the ballot more diverse? What are your thoughts Will?
Heyy Keep in mind i just mentioned Herbie Hancock too. He is a Jazz fusion master. RIP Chick Corea. He was a jazz fusion master too. He just died. But Herbie Hancock I think could be on a ballot first.
But Ok this is the ballot. Now as far as Fela Kuti. In America, yes, he's not a household name but globally he's a superstar. It's not just anyone voting in these elections, it's musicians, historians and critics who all probably have some knowledge of Fela Kuti.
Hey in 2010 Jimmy Cliff was inducted. He is not Rock and not huge in America. So I do not hold scorn to Fela Kuti. I'm not sure Fela Kuti will be inducted but he's a cool nomination. I will do research and listening to Fela Kuti. I agree somewhat with Nick.
I think Mary J. Blige is on the ballot as part of overcompensating for a lack of females in the past. I don't think Mary J. Blige will be inducted either due to the competition of those like Tina Turner.
I was indeed right about Tina Turner. I held out with Tina and kept her on my final predictions for this year. She is 81 I believe and is long overdue. I think she is a slam dunk to be inducted. She has worked with a lot of artists already inducted. I know for a fact Tina worked with David Bowie and Eric Clapton. I think her long overdue induction will be this year. That's it for Now

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 08:31am


I think that Fela Kuti will end up more like John Prine and not Miles Davis, Joan Baez and Nina Simone in that a non-Rock act that is well-respected by critics and fellow musicians doesn't get in, As I've said it before, The fan vote doesn't really matter anymore, It really doesn't, Last year showed us that with Dave Matthews Band and It'll be a repeat of that this year, I think that Fela will become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following DMB last year, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 11:18am


Nick,

My mom wants to help me explain to you why I feel the nomination of Fela Kuti is not right at this time, I'm sorry I did not explain sooner, but I struggle sometimes to express myself properly, so Mom is helping me with this, I am sure that man was very talented, but I do believe and so does my Mom that this push to get him to #1 on the fan vote is more politically motivated as his history as a political activist and not so much for his music, I believe the greatest push comes from the BLM movement, I am sure he was very talented, but there are so many artists and groups that are deserving and have waited for many, many years to get into the Hall of Fame, I hope I have not offended you by my stance on this situation, I value your opinion greatly and I hope you understand mine, Stay safe and Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 13:03pm


Richie,
No hard feelings from me at all and no reason to apologize. All I ask is for everyone to have an open mind when it comes to the artists on this year's ballot and explore their music if they're not familiar with it.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 13:46pm


Wow. You read the Chaka Khan bio and it's left open-ended enough where she could be inducted and, ugh, Rufus with Chaka Khan could just be on the ballot the very next year.

Let's not kid ourselves, she does not have a strong enough case/discography without counting her time with Rufus. This solo nomination IS clearly meant to cover everything, yet I could see Questlove continuing his foolhardy mission even after she gets in.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 14:16pm


Nick,
Guess what l checked out Fela Kuti this morning. That guy can jam. I don't recall hearing him before. But hey even before I listened I did NOT agree with richie. Richie is very nice but he is wrong about Fela Kuti. I won't go so far as saying he is inducted but it seemed to me there must be a reason he is Nominated. It's the same manner in which Leonard Cohen, Jimmy Cliff and Los Lobos were Nominated. Leonard Cohen and Jimmy Cliff were inducted. Not Los Lobos. True. So it can go either way with left field Wild cards. Thumbs up for Fela Kuti

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 14:55pm


Caspar,

I got a question for you. Out of everyone on the ballot and be honest, who do you think is really the one in your eyes that fits the bill as someone worthy of the Hall? Another is longevity part of your criteria? And one last thing, when you mean peak do you mean they were one of the biggest things in music at the time or had more highs that overshadow the lows?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 15:28pm


Will they induct songs again this year?

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 16:57pm


Of course they will. Even though the fans hate it, the Singles category is here to stay. At least for quite some time.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 18:14pm


Apologies once again but my 'reaction blog' to the 2021 Class will be on my site tomorrow. It's been a chaotic few days and had to delay finishing it up. Hopefully it'll be worth it.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 18:29pm


Nick,

Are you still planning on making a followup post talking about your snub list? No worries if not.

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 19:12pm


RG,

Which 5-7 acts do you see being inducted this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 19:16pm


Do the people really hate the Singles category?

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 20:31pm


YES!!!

Posted by Mr. XFL on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 21:22pm


Fela Kuti!!!
He has to be a lock, right!
I'll never forget waiting for his next album to come out and getting it and listening to it with my friends over and over.
I'll never forget camping out for tickets when his concert tickets were going on sale.
I'll never forget dancing to our favorite Fela Kuti song at my wedding!
Ummmmmmmmmmmm. No. Who is Fela Kuti? Stop it HOF. Stop it.

Posted by Classic Rock on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 22:30pm


Garrus, I hope this answers your question and thensome:


http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2019/01/singled-out-consolation-prizes.html?m=1

Posted by Philip on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 22:33pm


most pleased:
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Devo
Fela

most disappointed:
Jay-Z
LL Cool J
The Go Go's
Mary J Blige
Tina Turner

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 23:46pm


How about we list the number of acts on the ballot that we are actually a fan of? For me, it involves liking a studio album or compilation enough to add to my library.

Therefore, I consider myself a fan of these 7 acts:

Kate Bush
Devo
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Carole King
New York Dolls
Fela Kuti

I like Tina Turner but am not into her solo career whatsoever (which is what's being debated with her nomination).

Posted by Casper on Monday, 02/15/2021 @ 23:58pm


Acts I REALLY like on the 2021 ballot:

Devo
New York Dolls
Foo Fighters
Rage Against The Machine
Iron Maiden
Fela Kuti
Kate Bush

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 00:36am


Which 5-7 acts do you think should get in this year for 2021, Which 5-7 acts do you think will get in this year for 2021 and Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 00:55am


Favorite song from all the artists on the 2021 ballot:

Devo-Girl U Want
New York Dolls-Personality Crisis
Foo Fighters-Everlong
Todd Rundgren-Hello It's Me
The Go-Go's-Vacation
Dionne Warwick-The World Needs Love
Rage Against The Machine-Wake Up
LL Cool J-Mama Said Knock You Out
Jay-Z-99 Problems
Iron Maiden-The Trooper
Carole King-It's Too Late
Tina Turner-Goldeneye
Chaka Khan-I'm Every Woman
Mary J. Blige-IDK her well enough
Kate Bush-Weathering Heights
Fela Kuti-Water Got No Enemy

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 00:58am


Will N,.
So I'm interested if you agree that acts like the Guess Who, Jethro Tull, Herbie Hancock, Kraftwerk, Kool & the Gang and the Commodores would have made it more diverse. I think that's the point you were trying to make. And addition have ones like Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti and Tina Turner. I'd like to get your thoughts on this. Then we move on. Those are all deserving acts.
Fela Kuti came out of nowhere. I listened to him yesterday for the first time. Some of his stuff sounded like Jazz fusion with an African beat. It sounded very cool to me. I'll check out Fela Kuti more deeply on Spotify. I had heard of him but certainly not enough to predict him..
I also want to know what happened to B52s and Duran Duran. I guess they wanted the Go-Gos first. It's all good. I like the Go-Gos slightly better. actually. I love the Go-Go's I am very sure the Go-Go's will be inducted. I owned a few of their albums long ago. But the main focus here is the names above that were not nominated. Heyyy Herbie Hancock is great Jazz fusion. As we know he started with Regular straight Jazz and then became a master of Jazz fusion. Hear from ya soon

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 04:03am


Will N,.
So I'm interested if you agree that acts like the Guess Who, Jethro Tull, Herbie Hancock, Kraftwerk, Kool & the Gang and the Commodores would have made it more diverse. I think that's the point you were trying to make. And addition have ones like Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti and Tina Turner. I'd like to get your thoughts on this. Then we move on. Those are all deserving acts.
Fela Kuti came out of nowhere. I listened to him yesterday for the first time. Some of his stuff sounded like Jazz fusion with an African beat. It sounded very cool to me. I'll check out Fela Kuti more deeply on Spotify. I had heard of him but certainly not enough to predict him..
I also want to know what happened to B52s and Duran Duran. I guess they wanted the Go-Gos first. It's all good. I like the Go-Gos slightly better. actually. I love the Go-Go's I am very sure the Go-Go's will be inducted. I owned a few of their albums long ago. But the main focus here is the names above that were not nominated. Heyyy Herbie Hancock is great Jazz fusion. As we know he started with Regular straight Jazz and then became a master of Jazz fusion. Hear from ya soon

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 04:03am


Unfortunately, my Rock Hall nominees' list had only 4 of the present nominees on it (Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Jay-Z), which means that it this list is definitely not stellar by any stretch of the imagination. I am hugely disappointed that neither Sade, nor Carly Simon, nor The Bangles, nor Duran Duran, nor Jethro Tull are on this list. Although, I appreciate Tom Morello and Dave Grohl, my sincere hope is that neither Foo Fighters, nor Rage Against The Machine get inducted this year. I also hope that Jay-Z and LL Cool J, cancel each other out. In my honest opinion, I would also like to see Devo and The New York Dolls cancel each other out, also. So who does that leave- Todd Rundgren, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Carole King, The Go-Gos, Kate Bush and Tina Turner?

Out of those 10, these are the artists who I think deserve induction in 2021:

1. Tina Turner
2. Kate Bush
3. The Go-Gos
4. Carole King
5. Dionne Warwick
6. Either Chaka Khan, or Mary J. Blige

The end result- an all female class!

Musical excellence awards for Fela Kuti and Todd Rundgren.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 05:32am


Unfortunately, my Rock Hall nominees' list had only 4 of the present nominees on it (Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Jay-Z), which means that this list is definitely not stellar by any stretch of the imagination. I am hugely disappointed that neither Sade, nor Carly Simon, nor The Bangles, nor Duran Duran, nor Jethro Tull are on this list. Although, I appreciate Tom Morello and Dave Grohl, my sincere hope is that neither Foo Fighters, nor Rage Against The Machine get inducted this year. I also hope that Jay-Z and LL Cool J, cancel each other out. In my honest opinion, I would also like to see Devo and The New York Dolls cancel each other out, also. So who does that leave- Todd Rundgren, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Carole King, The Go-Gos, Kate Bush and Tina Turner?

Out of those 10, these are the artists who I think most deserve induction in 2021:

1. Tina Turner
2. Kate Bush
3. The Go-Gos
4. Carole King
5. Dionne Warwick
6. Either Chaka Khan, or Mary J. Blige

The end result- an all female performer class!

If 7- Iron Maiden

There should also be Musical excellence awards for Fela Kuti and Todd Rundgren.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 05:38am


Casper,

For me, this group of nominees doesn't really do it for me. I respect these artists and think that they are all deserving of nominations, but there's not much on this list that I listen to with any regularity.

Acts I love:
None

Acts I like a lot:
Foo Fighters
LL Cool J
Jay-Z

Acts I like a little:
Carole King
The Go-Go's
Mary J. Blige

Acts that have one or two songs on my playlist, but otherwise I don't listen to:
Rage Against The Machine
Kate Bush

Acts I tolerate or am indifferent to:
Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Fela Kuti
Iron Maiden
Tina Turner (though I really like her work with Ike)
Devo
Dionne Warwick

Acts I dislike:
New York Dolls

Acts I despise with the heat of a thousand suns:
None

I think that's a big reason why this group of nominees is so meh for me. They just didn't hit my tastes this time. I'm still voting for Tina Turner and Iron Maiden even though I'm not really a fan because I think they're very deserving, but there's no one here I'm going to be heartbroken about if they don't get in like I was when Radiohead missed the first time, for example. Maybe LL Cool J, but that would be it.

Contrast this year to last year. I really liked the inductees and was actually going to go to the induction ceremony before it got COVIDed away. I was much more passionate about last year's nominees than this year. Oh well.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 07:13am


I own as least one album from all of the acts nominated except two: Fela Kuti and Rage Against the Machine. I have at least two albums from all of the others except Devo and Mary J. Blige ( I am counting two Rufus albums as part of Chaka Khan.)

I would rank my preferences as..

Love
Carole King
Foo Fighters
The Go-Gos
Iron Maiden
Kate Bush (favorite act on the ballot)
New York Dolls (third favorite act on the ballot)
Todd Rundgren (second favorite act on the ballot)

Like/Okay
Chaka Khan
Dionne Warwick
LL Cool J
Mary J. Blige

Indifferent
Devo
Fela Kuti (know very little of his music)
Jay-Z
Tina Turner (much bigger fan of her music with Ike)

Dislike
Rage Against the Machine (not a fan, but accept their credentials to the hall)

Posted by remy10 on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 09:19am


RG, Plebian, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Greg F, Shrek, Steve Z, Nick, John R.C., dmg and others,

Which 5-7 acts do you think should get in this year, Which 5-7 acts do you think will get in this year and Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 10:53am


This ballot isn't all that heavy with acts I listen to regularly but I'm fine with the list .

I love Devo and Fela Kuti. Devo was the first concert I went to without my parents. I got into Fela Kuti through my love of Talking Heads, he was a big influence on their use of African polyrhythms; and he aligns well with my love of jam bands - a genre in which he also has a certain amount of influence.

I love the hits of The Go-Gos, but their deep cuts aren't really all that compelling.

I love Carole King's Tapestry album, that was on constant rotation in my childhood home since my Mother was a big fan. I respect King's writing talent, but haven't found any of her other albums nearly as good as that famous one.

I like Rage ATM ok. Their first album was eye opening and their follow ups all gave some good stuff; though I seldom really am in the mood now as a relatively content middle aged man for all that angry energy.

Tina Turner solo and Chaka Khan are kind of hit and miss for me, as is Todd Rundgren.

Kate Bush is interesting to watch, she has fabulously inventive performing ideas; but I often dislike her vocal style.

I love punk and 70s glam, but I think the NY Dolls basically sucked.

I respect Iron Maiden but just have little affinity for the operatic singing style in Metal music. I much prefer the less shrill approach of Metallica.

I've grown to kind of like the early minimalist sound of LL Cool J but don't really ever listen to Rap in general.

I respect the vocal talent of smart J Blige and Dionne Warwick; but have little affinity for their musical styles.

I find Foo-Fighters consistently boring and I hate the production

The only Jay-Z songs I've ever liked were due to the featured singers, such as Alicia Keys on "Empire State Of Mind". I find his rapping to be completely uninteresting.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 13:02pm


Continuing on the 2021 ballot

The artists that I am indifferent to, but respect are:

LL Cool J
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Carole King

Do not know enough:
Mary J. Blige

Don't really like:
The Go-Go's- I see them in the same veins as The Bangles (have hits, but not really inspiring) and the ShowTime documentary did not convince me on their case
Dionne Warwick- Her stuff is like Barbra Streisand more than anything. Talented, but even I side with the rock purists that she is almost far away from the genre

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 13:22pm


Michael W.,

Kind of funny that the super Rock-heavy ballot last year with little to no diversity ended up becoming WAY more interesting than the progressive and diverse genre ballot that the Rock Hall bloggers have begged for months. Seriously, this ballot gave everyone a mute response compared to last year. I don't see it as talked about as much either.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 13:36pm


Yeah I feel like there's a sweet spot somewhere between last year's ballot and this year's that would end up being the most satisfying. Or maybe if they added a couple more nominees this year and then tried to induct 7 acts.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 14:02pm


There are no all-black groups on the ballot this year, unless you count Rage Against The Machine as sort of an all-black group.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 14:04pm


Fela's lead over Tina Turner is slipping by 1,000 votes about every six hours from the looks of it (which means Tina would catch him in about a week or less).

It's possible that the initial Burna Boy shoutout-fueled surge is fizzling out.

Turner, by far, has the most dedicated online fanbase that will turn out daily until this is over with.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 14:10pm


There is no real "replacement" for The Doobie Brothers on the ballot this year.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 14:32pm


Roy,

Who would consider Rage Against the Machine to be an all black group? Two of the four members are white lmao

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 15:52pm


Here's my latest blog "Reflecting on the Rock Hall's 2021 Nominees"

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/reflectingontherockhall2021nominees

Btw RG, I will be writing a conclusion to the Prospects Project that I'll publish sometime next week. I was gonna write it last week but the nominations announcement put it on the backburner. But I will definitely get it out there very soon.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 15:56pm


Nick,

Thanks for answering! No rush at all.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 16:42pm


Who I think will get in:

Tina Turner
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
The Go-Go's
Carole King

...and maybe, Mary J. Blige and Dionne Warwick. (All of the above mainly by name recognition.)

Who I think should get in (by personal preference only)

Carole King
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren

Okay, everyone, watch me get one of five, if the fates are generous. (Notice that the fan poll, on rockhall.com, is currently led by Fela Kuti.)

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 18:00pm


Joe,

They should seriously start considering 6-7 inductees now. 5 ain't gonna cut it no more when the snubs list is as long as a college essay.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 18:32pm


They had 7 inductees in 2019. They'll have 7 inductees for 2021 because the ballot is stacked with 10 solo acts and only 6 bands.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 19:12pm


If it's 7:
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Devo
Fela
Kate Bush
Todd Rundgren

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 19:39pm


Lol Hall Watchers podcast saying whoever says this ballot is boring are meaningless and stupid sort of a dumb rebuttal. The people don't hate anyone on this list, they acknowledge their accomplishments, but this list does not really get people too hyped as much as they think. I feel this ballot was specifically geared towards the outspoken Rock Hall Bloggers and the critics of the Rock Hall now that I think about it. And another thing, Todd Rundgren has a right to be angry. If Steve Miller can get angry at the Hall and we let it slide like he is on our side, then so does Todd and the rest of the acts that have criticized the Hall. Sorry everyone I just needed some venting on these particular subjects.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 19:55pm


Due to Greg Harris' comments, I've backed off my prediction that only 5 acts would be inducted to make room for performances by last year's living inductees.

I now expect six inductees due to Alan Light citing that as this year's target.

It here are four nominees I will be personally shocked if they aren't inducted: Jay-Z, Tina Turner, Foo-Fighters, and Carole King. The other two are harder calls. I can make arguments for and against many on the list based on conflicting recent voting trends. I'm leaning toward Rundgren at #5, since "third time is the charm" for many acts that seem like obvious ideal candidates but didn't get in on their first try. I'm going with a guess of Fela at #6 but feel like I'm letting my preference for him influence me (I've also been happy with the fan vote surprise, though that is essentially meaningless in the end results). I go back and forth with he and a bunch of others so am just going to stick with him as my sixth prediction.

I could totally see Dionne Warwick slipping in on the same route as Joan Baez- just as a hugely respected singer from the Rock era who really has nothing to do with Rock music. I don't even really consider her Soul music. Her easy listening style and Tin Pan Alley songbook is more in line with the pre-Rock traditional pop. But I also know the HOF voters can be a bit leery of easy listening pop.

I could see the Go-Go's riding the wave of media publicity from their documentary; but have a hard time understanding them going in on their first nomination if the deeper catalog of hits and superior vocal talent from their contemporary artist Pat Benatar couldn't do so.

Though the HOF has been stand-of fish toward Metal; the low number of traditional guitar bands could help Iron Maiden slip in on this ballot. I could also see NY Dolls getting in due to that same argument.

LL Cool J could finally slip in on Jay-Z's coattails if people decide to vote for both together.

Rage is in that "third time is the charm" territory I used to predict Rundgren getting in so it could play in their favor.

Chaka Khan could get in on the pure argument of "okay fine, just put her in already" so the annual ballot space can be opened up.

Which only leaves Blige and Bush as the two artists I would truly be totally shocked to see her inducted. Just too much competition on the ballot from other notable women for the vote to have room for them this year.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 20:06pm


Some guesses for possible inductors:
Foo Fighters: John Paul Jones
Tina Turner: Adrienne Warren
Devo: Rivers Cuomo
New York Dolls: Slash
Kate Bush: Florence Welch
Dionne Warwick: Elton John
Mary J. Blige: Kamala Harris
Iron Maiden: Scott Ian
Fela Kuti: Chris Franz and Tina Weymouth
LL Cool J: Chuck D
Chaka Khan: Questlove
Jay-Z: Barack Obama
Carole King: Taylor Swift
Rage Against The Machine: B-Real (or Chuck D if LL Cool J isn't also inducted)
The Go-Go's: Haim
Todd Rundgren: Meat Loaf

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 02/16/2021 @ 21:12pm


Excellent writeup, Nick! Thanks for sharing it.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 06:39am


Plebian,

I haven't listened to the most recent Hall Watchers and I usually like them, but if that's what they really said, then I'm in agreement with you. Really poor argument on their part.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 09:22am


Hey Guys,

I think there are 3 acts that I would be truly shocked if they don't get inducted this year and they are Jay-Z, Carole King and Tina Turner. Those 3 are the safest bets for getting in this year.

Foo Fighters are at #4 because I'm not as confident about them as I am with the other three because of the fact that Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead and Rage Against The Machine didn't get inducted FYE, but I still think that they're getting inducted FYE just because they're too big to ignore and Dave Grohl is so beloved in the industry and he is also on the nominating committee, so yeah, I think that they're getting inducted FYE even though I'm not as confident about them than I am about Jay-Z, Carole and Tina.

The other 2 (3 if we're lucky) spots will go to either The Go-Go's, LL Cool J (if the Hall decides to put two Rap/Hip-Hop acts in together for the first time ever), Rage Against The Machine and Todd Rundgren, Those ones I believe have the best chance of getting in based on voting trends in the past 10-15 years, The Go-Go's represent 80's New Wave/Alternative which has had success in the last few years with The Cars, The Cure and Depeche Mode all getting inducted, so I think that they have a very good chance of getting in this year FYN, LL Cool J (like Jay-Z) also represents Rap/Hip-Hop and this could be the year that the Hall finally decides to put in two Rap/Hip-Hop acts at the same time, so I think that he's got a good chance to finally get in, Rage Against The Machine (like Foo Fighters) represent 90's Alternative and Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails both got inducted the last two years and like Dave Grohl, Tom Morello is also on the Nominating Committee so I think that could help them to get in on their third try and Todd Rundgren represents the 70's Classic Rock era and like Carole King, also represents the 70's Singer-Songwriter era as well, so I think that could help them to get in on his third try.

Dionne Warwick should get in, but I wonder the Rock Hall voters will view her as too Adult Contemporary/Easy Listening Pop, plus the 60's haven't doing well too lately with only The Zombies getting in on their fourth try after three previous nominations, Iron Maiden should get in, but the Rock Hall voters hate Metal more than anything, with Judas Priest and Motorhead both failing to get in, Still, the lack of Classic Rock and Hard Rock/Metal acts on this year's ballot could help them to get in and break the door more wide open for more Metal acts to get in, New York Dolls should get in especially after the inductions of Roxy Music and T. Rex the last two years as they also fall into the 70's Glam Rock era, but they're also proto-punk and the voters have rejected MC5 five times now, so I wonder about their chances, Kate Bush should get in especially now since the Rock Hall is finally starting to look at artists who were huge in the UK but weren't big successes in America with the inductions of Roxy Music and T. Rex the last two years, but the amount of women on this year's ballot plus the fact that she's dead last in the fan vote will hurt her chances of getting in this year, Devo should get in especially with The Cars, The Cure and Depeche Mode all getting in the last few years, but The Go-Go's are also on the ballot and I think that they're more likely to get inducted because they've had more hits than them, but the ceremony's in Cleveland this year (if it all goes well) and they're from Ohio, so they could get in simply because of that, who knows?.

Chaka Khan could finally get in because the voters might be sick and tired of seeing her name on the ballot every year, but I think that it's unlikely because I think that she will split votes with Mary J. Blige and therefore, both will cancel each other out this year.

Finally, I don't see either Mary J. Blige or Fela Kuti getting inducted this year, Mary J. Blige because it's just too soon for her and there's too many women on the ballot this year and she's competing up against Tina Turner, Dionne Warwick and Chaka Khan, all much older and much more deserving at this point than Mary, especially Tina Turner. Mary J. Blige will get in at some point, but just not this year. I just don't see Fela Kuti being inducted this year (let alone ever), simply because he just doesn't have the name recognition that the other nominees this year have, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 15:09pm


Devo and Foo Fighters are the only top vote getters on Future Rock Legends that made the official 2021 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame ballot.

https://futurerocklegends.com/statistics.php

Devo has a combined YES and NO total 10,223 votes on Future Rock Legends and they are # 4 overall.

Devo is # 2 in YES votes on Future Rock Legends with 7925.

Foo Fighters is # 8 in YES votes on Future Rock Legends with 4122.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 15:16pm


Maybe the Dionne Warwick nomination was a test for adult contemporary acts. If Dionne Warwick can get in this year it could open a tributary for others like Carpenters.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 15:19pm


Dionne Warwick is not in the same boat as the Carpenters, or Barry Manilow, or Olivia Newton-John for that matter. Dionne Warwick is a lock. She's going in in 2021. This year's Joan Baez and Nina Simone.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 15:44pm


Greg F- The Carpenters aren't EVER getting in the Hall! Just not gonna happen...

Roy- I agree that Dionne is a cut above ON-J and The Carpenters (and SEVERAL above Manilow!), but she's no lock for this year, given she's up against the more likely Tina Turner and Carole King, as well as Chaka, the Go- Go's and even Kate Bush...

Posted by EDS on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 15:57pm


Dionne Warwick, Tina Turner, Carole King are all going in in 2021. They have tons of support. I repeat, friends in high places, voting.

There's no rule that says voters have to vote for one solo male, on solo female, one rapper, one band. People can vote for whom ever they want. I don't understand when some say having more than one artist of a certain genre, causes them to cancel each other out. That makes no sense.

Don't be surprised if we get 7 solo inductees this year.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 16:14pm


Greg F,

I agree with you that Dionne Warwick's nomination this year following Whitney Houston's induction last year and Neil Diamond's induction in 2011 is a test for more Adult Contemporary/Easy Listening Pop acts to get nominated like The Carpenters, Gloria Estefan and of course, Mariah Carey and Celine Dion. I think that if Dionne gets in this year, Don't be surprised to see The Carpenters, Gloria, Mariah and Celine all in the mix for nominations in the next few years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 16:45pm


I seriously doubt we will get 7 inductees. We don't go by without one Early Influence every three years and a musical excellence to accompany it. And I also doubt all the inductees will be solo. Plus Roy I see them moving pass 50s and 60s acts regardless of your bias.

My thoughts:

Jay-Z-LOCK
Carole King-LOCK
Tina Turner-LOCK
Foo Fighters-LOCK

Dark Horses:
Todd Rundgren-"Three times the charm"
Rage Against The Machine-"Three times the charm"
Devo- Has hometown advantage to them because of Ohio. At first I was hesistant, but the New Wave train is going strong and they may benefit from additional support from Depeche Mode and NIN
The Go-Go's-Still have the momentum and can be a good PR move for the Hall
Iron Maiden-No competition, but Priest had no competition the first time they were nominated, so I doubt that Maiden can break the curse
New York Dolls-Fit as the next and last Glam Rock band to be enshrined for the Hall. They are monstrously influential, but lack of discography hurts them unlike previous inductees Roxy Music and T.Rex
Fela Kuti-If his fans continue the momentum, he can be a potential spoiler

Longshots:
Dionne Warwick-Crowded ballot full of other black female artists
Mary J. Blige-See Warwick
Chaka Khan-I see some people think she will get in if the voters are tired of seeing her, but I think they would not deliberately do that
LL Cool J-Some say he should have come first, but voters might pass him on again as Jay-Z overshadows him and as I one stated, even without competition, he still struggles to see eye to eye with voters
Kate Bush-Very niche and seems way down the line; Does not help that she is in last place on the fan vote (useless I know, but still worth checking)

If I were to guess number 5 and 6:

Fela Kuti
Devo

That is my updated analysis.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 17:57pm


7 inductees in the performers category.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 18:14pm


My thoughts:

Jay-Z-LOCK
Carole King-LOCK
Tina Turner-LOCK
Foo Fighters-LOCK

Dark Horses:

Todd Rundgren-"Three times the charm"
Rage Against The Machine-"Three times the charm"
Devo-Has hometown advantage to them because of Ohio. At first I was hesitant, but the New Wave train is going strong and they may have benefit from additional support from Depeche Mode and NIN.
The Go-Go's-Still have the momentum and can be a good PR move for the Hall.
Iron Maiden- No competition, but Priest had not competition the first time they were nominated, so I doubt that Maiden can break the curse.
New York Dolls-Fit as the next and last Glam Rock band to be enshrined for the Hall. They are monstrously influential, but lack of discography hurts them unlike previous inductees Roxy Music and T. Rex.
LL Cool J- If there ever was a time that two Rap/Hip-Hop acts got inducted in the same year, It's this year with Jay-Z and LL, He's been nominated 6 times now, so he could shock everyone and sneak in in addition to Jay-Z.
Dionne Warwick-The 60s are huge favorites for the voting body, but I wonder that she might be too Adult Contemporary/Easy-Listening Pop for the voting body, plus also, Crowded ballot full of other black female artists.

Longshots:

Mary J. Blige- Crowded ballot full of other black female artists.
Chaka Khan-I see some people think she will get in if the voters are tired of seeing her, but I think they would deliberately not do that.
Kate Bush-Very niche and seems way down the line; Does not help that she is in last place on the fan vote (useless I know, but still worth checking).
Fela Kuti-Fan vote or not, I just don't see it, He just doesn't have the name recognition that the other nominees this year have, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row.

That is my analysis.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 19:34pm


Fela Kuti is pretty unlikely to win the fan vote unless the Afrobeat artists and fans keep promoting him on Twitter. Is lead over Tina Turner is shortening by the thousands each day, and if this were to keep up, he would be at risk of not even making Top Five.

When the attention is on him, he gets a lot of votes. When it's not, he gets virtually no votes.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 20:53pm


Could you guys please give us the likelihood of all 16 acts getting in this year from #1 (most likely) to #16 (least likely)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/17/2021 @ 22:22pm


A Devo-New York Dolls-Iron Maiden-Fela Kuti would be the deadist class in this history of the hall. 1987 has that record now (8), and this makes 9 dead performers!

But that's not going to happen.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 01:48am


Richie, did you just repost my thoughts man?

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 04:17am


Plebian,

I think you've got it wrong. You clearly PRE-posted Richie's thoughts. Impressive.

Posted by Michael W on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 06:05am


Mostly agree with Roy's comments on Dionne Warwick. Much bigger star than Manilow or Olivia Newton-John. The Carpenters (to me) are close to her stardom. Probably have more hits than she does, but not as much in public eye as M s. Warwick was back in her heyday.

I hope Roy is right about her being a lock!

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 06:25am


Man, Richie never resposts my comments...(kicks wall & mopes)!!

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 06:29am


Richie,

Here are my revised chances of induction for this year:

1. Tina Turner - 95% - She seems to be the consensus favorite. People will look at her name and not believe she's not already inducted.
2. Jay-Z - 93% - Another all-time great rapper getting in on the first ballot, following Tupac and Biggie.
3. Carole King - 88% - Much like Tina, people won't believe she's not already in.
4. Foo Fighters - 79% - Often heralded as the last great rock band and many voters are probably aware of that.
5. The Go-Go's - 70% - We know Stewart Copeland will be voting for them. They're the best way for people to increase the number of female inductees.
6. Rage Against The Machine - 63% - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and that could carry them in.
7. Fela Kuti - 50% - I clearly underestimated his chances early on. I have no idea what voters will do with him now, hence the 50/50 shot.
8. Todd Rundgren - 48% - He seems to be just missing induction each year, which keeps earning him a ticket back onto the ballot.
9. Chaka Khan - 47% - She just can't quite get over the hump to earn induction.
10. Iron Maiden - 43% - Totally deserving but we just can't ever predict a metal band getting in with any confidence.
11. Dionne Warwick - 41% - She's got a shot, but ultimately she may be too adult contemporary for some people.
12. LL Cool J - 40% - My personal #1 snub, but unfortunately I think he misses again. I'd be happy to be wrong about this one.
13. Devo - 38% - They have a core that will vote for them, but for many they're seen as a novelty act.
14. New York Dolls - 33% - Probably not enough recognizable songs for people to get behind them.
15. Kate Bush - 15% - I actually think she'd do better on a ballot with fewer women nominated, but on this one voters can skip her and still have plenty of female representation.
16. Mary J. Blige - 12% - She'll get in one day, but this year just seems too soon, especially with some of her influences being nominated alongside her.

Posted by Michael W on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 06:48am


I don't see Dionne Warwick as a lock as long as Carole King and Tina Turner are on the ballot. Chaka Khan would need a miracle too. She couldn't be inducted on stronger ballots or weaker ballots. Lossed straight up to Whitney Houston last year. Now Chaka up against Carole King, Dionne Warwick, Kate Bush, Mary J. Blige etc. Good luck with that. Chaka could become the next Chic.
I see The Go-Go's earning Induction. See them receiving votes from all different sources. Rock Voters, Women Voters, and Younger Voters. They are outstanding in their concerts and shows. They don't have a large discography but probably at the right time.
Todd Rundgren had a good surge his 1st nomination in the Fan Vote. Likely to receive Induction. Then, he started saying negative things and disinterested by the Hall nominations and turning people off.
I don't know why LL Cool J can't earn Induction. He has some good hit songs and 1 of rap's 1st Superstars. He's still in the public eye acting too. Don't see him earning Induction. Especially with Jay-Z on the ballot. Iron Maiden should practically sweep all of the votes from the hard rock and metal inductees. AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Guns & Roses, Metallica, Van Halen, etc. That's plenty of votes. Here's my 6 Inductees as of February 18.
1. Jay-Z
2. Foo Fighters
3. Tina Turner
4. Carole King
5. Iron Maiden
6. The Go-Go's
Early Influence-Kraftwerk
Musical Excellence-Todd Rundgren.
I think the Hall will just place Kraftwerk in the Hall. They want them inducted but just not earning the votes. At some point, this has to end. They could do something creative with Dionne Warwick. It does seem strange she's nominated finally but against an incredible class of women. Carole King, Chaka Khan, Kate Bush, Mary J. Blige etc. Some poster made a salient point about the Hall not nominating Mariah Carey. She might have overshadowed some of the other women Nominees. I think that's why Mary J. Blige was decided instead. New York Dolls could be the sleeper here. There's just plenty of old influential rocker types who liked them or were influenced by them. They don't have the depth of discography Roxy Music or T. Rex had but I'm intrigued by them. DEVO and RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE could be 2 groups to watch as well. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 07:25am


My predictions for this year's inductees are:

1. Foo Fighters - LOCK
2. The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
3. Jay-Z - LOCK
4. Carole King - LOCK
5. Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
6. Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
7. Tina Turner - LOCK

If they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did in 2019, then these will be the inductees.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 09:38am


My prediction is the same as Michael W's for five, but I don't know who the sixth will be. It'll probably be Fela. He's winning the fan poll, and even though DMB didn't get in, I'm willing to write that off as an accident. It's only 1 out of 8!

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 10:22am


My predictions for this year's inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 12:10pm


I really think the number of Performer inductees will depend on two issues.

The first involves the possibility of inducting Fela Kuti and/or Chaka Khan and/or Todd Rundgren in the Musical Excellence category which would then likely lead to just 5 or 6 Performer inductees instead of 6 or 7. But in return, we're inducting someone else on the ballot, so...

The other revolves around whether or not the would-be 6th Performer inductee and/or would-be 7th Performer inductee is black and/or female. I think the institution is more likely to lower the bar and have more Performer inductees if it means helping solve the diversity problem a little. So a result where Mary J Blige and LL Cool J are 6th/7th is likely to lead to 6/7 inductees more often than if Iron Maiden and Devo are in those slots.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 13:19pm


I am 100% certain that more than five names from the ballot are inducted this year, even if it means some of them are Musical Excellence inductions.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 13:21pm


In order of likelihood:

1. Jay-Z
2. Carole King
3. Tina Turner
4. Foo Fighters

(95%+ chance for all four above)

5. Iron Maiden

6. Devo OR Fela Kuti ME induction

7. Devo OR Mary J Blige (if Devo already in) OR ela Kuti ME induction OR Todd Rundgren ME induction

8. Devo OR Mary J Blige (if Devo already in) OR Todd Rundgren (either category) OR Fela Kuti ME induction OR Chaka Khan ME induction (if Fela already inducted via ME)


I rank the ME chances as such:

1. Fela Kuti - Unlikelihood of getting in via Performer ballot plus interesting fan vote surge makes him the top ME candidate

2. Todd Rundgen - Fits the category extremely well but also is increasingly likely to be inducted instead as a Performer if more and more Performers get inducted (5+)

3. Chaka Khan - Questlove's stubbornness at insisting she be a Performer inductee probably makes this far less likely. After all, what was the point of it all if she could have just been backdoored a decade ago?

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 13:28pm


I will Now make my predictions for this year's inductees, I took a few days to think about this. I will give some detail at a later time.
My predictions for this year's inductees are:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Gos
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Carole King
New York Dolls
Tina Turner

I want to be clear that while I'm not predicting Fela Kuti all out. Nick makes a good case for them. I mentioned that an African friend at work knows Fela Kuti very well. The friend is from Burkina Faso. I think it's near Nigeria. I think he may miss due to all the competition. I will predict Fela Kuti as a Wild Card. I think Fela Kuti has better chance than Kate Bush. He may actually be a bigger star around the world. Not that big in America and Europe but in the rest of the world.
Also Foo Fighters could be replaced with Rage Against TM. But Foo Fighters is slightly more known with the whole Voting body. The Go-Gos will grab the New Wave vote this year. They also have a Documentary to help them. I will have much more details on my predictions at a later time.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 13:45pm


I will Now make my predictions for this year's inductees, I took a few days to think about this. I will give some detail at a later time.
My predictions for this year's inductees are:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Gos
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Carole King
New York Dolls
Tina Turner

I want to be clear that while I'm not predicting Fela Kuti all out. Nick makes a good case for them. I mentioned that an African friend at work knows Fela Kuti very well. The friend is from Burkina Faso. I think it's near Nigeria. I think he may miss due to all the competition. I will predict Fela Kuti as a Wild Card. I think Fela Kuti has better chance than Kate Bush. He may actually be a bigger star around the world. Not that big in America and Europe but in the rest of the world.
Also Foo Fighters could be replaced with Rage Against TM. But Foo Fighters is slightly more known with the whole Voting body. The Go-Gos will grab the New Wave vote this year. They also have a Documentary to help them. I will have much more details on my predictions at a later time.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 13:45pm


I think Madonna was the first woman to win the fan poll on Future Rock Legends in 2008. The Rock Hall didn't have a poll that year. It started in 2013. Tina Turner will be the second woman to win on FRL.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 16:52pm


I was wondering FRL Community. Now that Dionne Warwick, Iron Maiden, and Tina Turner have finally been nominated, who do you believe is the BIGGEST snub as far as a group or singer that has not even been nominated? A: Alice In Chains, Bad Company, and Duran Duran spring to mind.
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 17:24pm


KING,

I know he's not super high on a lot of people's lists, but for me it's Joe Cocker. I'm truly stunned he's never received a nomination. Duran Duran and The B-52's also come to mind.

Posted by Michael W on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 17:29pm


KING,

For me it's The B-52's, Bad Company, Joe Cocker, The Commodores, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jethro Tull, The Monkees, Pixies, Sonic Youth and Barry White. All of these acts have been previously considered so I really think that they will all appear on the ballot in the next few years.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 17:41pm


If Tommy James were on a different record label, he'd be in the Hall. Then again, if Tommy James were on a different record label, he wouldn't be as famous. -Seymour Stein (I think), "Who Cares About The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame"

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/18/2021 @ 23:42pm


AOC vs Kamala Harris (Perhaps a preview of the 2024 or 2028 primaries)


The "AOC" Ballot: Progressive, forward thinking, groundbreaking and highly interesting:

Devo
Carole King
Kate Bush
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine

The "Kamala Ballot": Bland identity politics and corporatism:

Chaka Khan
Dionne Warwick
Jay-Z (Corporate sellout to the max)
Ll Cool J
Mary J Blige

Posted by Casper on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 02:16am


Casper,

When are you going to continue your brutally honest review of the inductees with the Contenders and Hopeless that you started earlier?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 02:17am


Pat Benatar didn't get in last year, the Go-Go's are not getting in this year!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 03:35am


THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Chaka Khan
5. Todd Rundgren
6. Fela Kuti
7. Jay-Z

OR

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Chaka Khan
5. Todd Rundgren
6. Kate Bush
7. Iron Maiden

OR

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Iron Maiden
5. Foo Fighters
6. Rage Against The Machine
7. Jay-Z

OR

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Chaka Khan
5. Kate Bush
6. Mary J. Blige
7. The Go-Go's

OR

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Chaka Khan
5. Todd Rundgren
6. Mary J. Blige
7. Jay-Z

OR

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Chaka Khan
5. Todd Rundgren
6. Iron Maiden
7. Foo Fighters

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 03:49am


King,
For me the biggest snubs now are the B52s, The Guess Who, Jethro Tull, Soundgarden and the Commodores. These remain huge snubs. They should be placed on a ballot. Hopefully in the Next few years these will appear on the ballot.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 05:36am


THE NOMINATED MEMBERS OF THE BANDS NOMINATED
FOR THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

New York Dolls

1. David Johansen (1971-1976: Vocals; Harmonica)
2. Sylvain  Sylvain (1971-1976: Guitar; Bass; Piano)
3. Johnny Thunders (1971-1975: Guitar; Vocals)
4. Arthur Kane (1971-1975: Bass)
5. Billy Murcia (1971-1972: Drums)
6. Jerry Nolan (1972-1975: Drums)

Iron Maiden

1. Steve Harris (1979-Present: Bass)
2. Dave Murray (1979-Present: Guitar)
3. Adrian Smith (1979-1990; 1999-Present: Guitar)
4. Clive Burr (1979-1982: Drums)
5. Paul  Di'Anno (1979-1981: Vocals)
6. Dennis Stratton (1979-1980: Guitar)
7. Bruce Dickinson (1981-1993; 1999-Present: Vocals)
8. Nicko  McBrain (1982-Present: Drums)
9. Janick  Gers (1990-Present: Guitar)

Devo

1. Bob Casale (1978-2014: Guitar; Keyboards)
2. Gerald Casale (1978-Present: Vocals; Bass; Synthesizers)
3. Bob Mothersbaugh (1978-Present: Vocals; Guitar)
4. Mark Mothersbaugh (1978-Present: Vocals; Guitar; Keyboards)
5. Alan Myers (1978-1986: Drums)

The Go-Go's

1. Belinda Carlisle (1981-Present: Lead Vocals)
2. Charlotte Caffey (1981-Present: Guitar; Keyboards; Backing Vocals)
3. Kathy Valentine (1981-Present: Bass; Backing Vocals)
4. Jane  Wiedlin (1981-Present: Guitar; Backing Vocals)
5. Gina  Schock (1981-Present: Drums; Backing Vocals)

Rage Against The Machine

1. Tom Morello (1992-Present: Guitar)
2. Zack de la Rocha (1992-Present: Vocals)
3. Tim Commerford (1992-Present: Bass)
4. Brad Wilk (1992-Present: Drums)

Foo Fighters

1. Dave Grohl (Vocals; Guitar: 1995-Present)
2. Nate Mendel (Bass: 1995-Present)
3. Pat Smear (Guitar: 1995-1997, 2010-Present)
4. Taylor Hawkins (Drums: 1997-Present)
5. Chris Shiflett (Guitar: 2000-Present)
6. Rami Jaffee (Keyboards: 2017-Present)

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 06:43am


Could it happen this time around? Could we possibly have an all female inductee class in 2021?

Personally, since the Rock Hall Nominating list had come out- I have been voting for an all female class and I hope that many of my peers will do the same.

Instead of voting for Iron Maiden, who I think is still very deserving, I have been alternating between voting for either Mary J. Blige, or Dionne Warwick.

The remainder of my votes are going to: Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Kate Bush.


Unfortunately, my Rock Hall nominees' list had only 4 of the present nominees on it (Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Jay-Z), which means that this list is definitely not stellar by any stretch of the imagination. I am hugely disappointed that neither Sade, nor Carly Simon, nor The Bangles, nor Duran Duran, nor Jethro Tull, nor Pat Benatar are on this list. Although, I appreciate Tom Morello and Dave Grohl, my sincere hope is that neither Foo Fighters, nor Rage Against The Machine get inducted this year. I also hope that Jay-Z and LL Cool J, cancel each other out. In my honest opinion, I would also like to see Devo and The New York Dolls cancel each other out, also. So who does that leave- Todd Rundgren, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Carole King, The Go-Gos, Kate Bush and Tina Turner?

Out of those 10, these are the artists who I think most deserve induction in 2021:

1. Tina Turner
2. Kate Bush
3. The Go-Gos
4. Carole King
5. Dionne Warwick
6. Either Chaka Khan, or Mary J. Blige

The end result- an all female performer class!

If 7- Chaka Khan

There should also be Musical excellence awards for Fela Kuti and Todd Rundgren.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 08:56am


Roy,

I thought Belinda Carlisle left the Go-Go's for awhile & went solo? Was she always still a member of band when releasing solo albums?

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 09:27am


Roy gave the "Reader's Digest" version of The Go-Go's lineup. All five of the nominated members appear on all the band's albums. Belinda and Jane were founding members in 1978 with non-nominated bass and drum players. By the time the band began recording, Gina was on drums, Kathy was on bass, and Jane had switched to from lead to rhythm guitar so the band could bring in Charlotte on lead.

They did three albums with that lineup. Jane left the band after the third album and was replaced on tour by Paula Jean Brown until the band broke up when Belinda went solo.

The band didn't ever exist without Belinda. They broke up in 1985, had brief reunions in 1990 and 1994 with Jane back in the band. The main five reunited in 2000 and released a new album in 2001. Bass player Kathy left the band from 2012-2018 and was replaced on the band's tours by Abby Travis. Kathy is currently back in the band and expected to play with them if they are inducted; she participated in recording the new single they released in conjunction with their documentary.

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 11:45am


My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 12:06pm


Carole King - LOCK
Tina Turner - LOCK
Dionne Warwick - LOCK

We are in a pandemic. Voters don't care about a big-ass ceremony!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 12:28pm


Roy,

Dionne Warwick is not a lock, I think that the crowded ballot full of other black female artists will hurt her, plus she might be too adult contemporary/easy-listening pop for the voters, Also, I think that the 60's are done for, except for The Monkees when they finally get nominated, With this much competition, she won't make it, the 60's are a sunken ship when it comes to the HOF. I doubt we'll ever see another 60's inductee again except for The Monkees. So yeah, Dionne won't make it this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 12:40pm


Dionne Warwick was still making albums in the 70s-80s-90s. She is not strictly 60s.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 12:50pm


Roy,

but Dionne's greatest successes came in the 60's, Even though she was still making music in the 70's and 80's with hits like Then Came You with The Spinners, I'll Never Love This Way Again, Deja Vu, Heartbreaker and of course, the all-time classic That's What Friends Are For, Her greatest decade of success was without a doubt, the 60's and as I've said it before, I think the 60's are done for as far as inductees in the Performer category go, except for The Monkees when they finally get nominated, With this much competition, I think that the crowded ballot full of other black female artists this year will hurt her and she won't make it this year, plus the fact that she might be too adult contemporary/easy-listening pop for the voters will also hurt her as well, Even though she's more than deserving of induction, I think that the 60's are a sunken ship when it comes to the HOF. I doubt we'll ever see another 60's inductee in the Performer category again except for The Monkees. So yeah, Dionne won't make it this year even though she's more than deserving of the honor.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 13:07pm


Thank you, Shrek, for your breakdown of The Go-Gos personnel.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 13:24pm


richie, I doubt The Monkees will ever be nominated. Pretty sure they'll never be inducted. Too much help & too little to show for all that help, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 13:26pm


Paul in KY,

Because John Sykes is now the head of the Rock Hall and he helped founded MTV (which helped revive interest in The Monkees with reruns of their TV show back in the 80's), I do think that The Monkees will get a nomination in the next few years and they would absolutely win the fan vote and get inducted on their first try, I'd say that they're the last 60's act that will get inducted in the Performer category though.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 13:34pm


Tina Turner turns 82 in November
Dionne Warwick turns 81 in December
Carole King turned 79 in February
Todd Rundgren turns 73 in June
Chaka Khan turns 68 in March
Kate Bush turns 63 in July

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 14:32pm


My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 15:34pm


Richie,

That class seems reasonable enough, but I don' know if they'll go with 7. I think they went with 7 because the vote between #6 and #7 was close (that's usually the reason why there is six. If only we knew who came in sixth in 2016 or 2018.), and I doubt that will happen again.

Of course, it also could have happened because Irving Azzoff always gets what he wants. (Does he manage anyone on this ballot other than the Go-Go's?)

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 19:57pm


Follower,

The reason why that I chose 7 inductees as my predictions for the 2021 inductees is because I just have a gut feeling and I could be wrong, but something is telling me that they're gonna do 7 inductees this year instead of the usual 5 or 6 just like they did 2 years ago in 2019.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 20:03pm


Richie,

I don't blame you. This ballot is too good to pass up. Like that one guy said, half of these people should have been inducted years ago.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 20:11pm


Yeah, I'm not getting my hopes too high but with a ballot like this I'll be pretty disappointed if it's not 7 inductees.

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 20:16pm


Could it happen this time around? Could we possibly have an all female inductee class in 2021?

Personally, since the Rock Hall Nominating list had come out- I have been voting for an all female class and I hope that many of my peers will do the same.

Instead of voting for Iron Maiden, who I still think is still very deserving, I have been alternating between voting for either Mary J. Blige, or Dionne Warwick.

The remainder of my votes are going to: Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Kate Bush.


Unfortunately, my Rock Hall nominees' list had only 4 of the present nominees on it (Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Jay-Z), which means that this list is definitely not stellar by any stretch of the imagination. I am hugely disappointed that neither Sade, nor Carly Simon, nor The Bangles, nor Duran Duran, nor Jethro Tull, nor Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo are on this list. Although, I appreciate Tom Morello and Dave Grohl, my sincere hope is that neither Foo Fighters, nor Rage Against The Machine get inducted this year. I also hope that Jay-Z and LL Cool J, cancel each other out. In my honest opinion, I would also like to see Devo and The New York Dolls cancel each other out, also. So who does that leave- Todd Rundgren, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Carole King, The Go-Gos, Kate Bush and Tina Turner?

Out of those 10, these are the artists who I think most deserve induction in 2021:

1. Tina Turner
2. Kate Bush
3. The Go-Gos
4. Carole King
5. Dionne Warwick
6. Either Chaka Khan, or Mary J. Blige

The end result- an all female performer class!

If 7- Chaka Khan

There should also be Musical excellence awards for Fela Kuti and Todd Rundgren.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 21:20pm


An all-female class would be interesting, but not likely. Remember, Alan Light was pushing for Early Influence Kraftwerk. I predict that will happen since they weren't nominated this year.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 22:50pm


Follower,

I don't think that there will be an Early Influence inductee this year, As far as Kraftwerk go, I think that they'll nominate them two more times before finally inducting them on their 8th nomination just like Black Sabbath and The Stooges.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 22:55pm


An all female one would probably work, but in my opinion, wouldn't that be also pretty sexist towards all the guy acts? Like shouldn't the class be reflective of all genres of rock music regardless of race and gender? Aren't they all treated equally on the ballot as many other music acts? Another thing, it would be pretty pandering as not many people don't respond well when diversity quota like that is mentioned.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 23:36pm


Your guess is as good as mine.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/19/2021 @ 23:37pm


Attention! SCIENCE and MATH have proven the most hated bands of all time!
https://bestlifeonline.com/most-hated-rock-band-news/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark


And they are:


1. Nickelback

2. Limp Bizkit

3. Creed

4. U2*

5. Mumford & Sons

6. Bob Dylan*

7. Phish

8. Radiohead*

9. KISS*

10. Dave Matthews Band

11. Coldplay

12. Green Day*

13. The Doors*

14. Metallica*

15. Korn

16. Oasis

17. Pearl Jam*

18. Rush*

19. Nirvana*

20. Spin Doctors

21. Linkin Park

* indicates band is in the Hall. So the most hated act in the Hall is U2.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 00:02am


Plebian,

I mean... no, it would not. All of the women on the ballot have just as solid of a case for induction as the men, if not better in many cases. You can easily make a deserving all female induction class out of this ballot, though I don't think it's likely to happen this year. Also, why is it that 30+ years of almost entirely male (if not entirely male) classes is totally fine and just "treating all music equally", but just one all-female class would automatically be pandering and sexist against men?

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 00:18am


RG,

Idk I guess this statement was my foot in my mouth. I was thinking of the Hall's core audience more than anything. It is still heavily boomer, white, and RAWKIST mentality and people don't like pandering politics contaminating their entertainment. Maybe one day we will get a female one, though with a stacked ballot as this I'm expecting half and half.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 00:56am


Forgot men mostly men.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 01:29am


If they decide to start using "early influence" to induct important influential acts that the voters are too ignorant to induct; they really need to use it first to get Link Wray in.

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 01:49am


Link Wray seems perfectly fit for the Early Influence category. Maybe Early Influence can be used for those that were relevant before the 50s all the way to the tipping of said 50s?

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 02:09am


I disagree, richie. I think the musicians in Hall that had to struggle at start of their careers look at all the help The Monkees received and just disregard them as major studio-created entities.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 07:11am


Plebian,

If anything, I would argue that it would be much more pandering to insist on inducting artists specifically to appease an audience that already has their taste represented by 80%+ of the inducted artists.

I don't think there is anything pandering about the inclusion of women and people of color on the ballot, I think they're just finally letting more voices be heard in a process that has been typically dominated by just one perspective.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 08:16am


Follower,

I am really not surprised at all by this list actually. It is undoubtedly a list created by morons and meant to cater to idiots and imbeciles.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 11:15am


Re: The most hated bands list.

Follower,

I am really not surprised at all by this list actually. It is undoubtedly a list created by morons and dull normals and was meant to cater to both idiots and imbeciles.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 11:19am


My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 11:24am


Although, I am extremely disappointed in this list of 2021 Nominees, I still think that a great induction class could come out of it. The key to that, as far as I am concerned, is to vote for an entirely female ballot. Now, I will give my assessment and ranking of all 16 nominees from least favorite to most favorite:

16. Devo- I only know 'Whip It' from their entire catalog. I also know Gerald Casale for directing the video for 'Mystic Rhythms,' my sixth favorite Rush song.
15. Rage Against The Machine- Tom Morello is an important member of the Nominating Committee.
14. Foo Fighters- Dave Grohl is considered to be one of the nicest men in rock, also an influential member of the Nominating Committee.
13. New York Dolls- I actually know the sole surviving member David Johansen more for the work of his alter ego- Buster Poindexter.
12. Iron Maiden- combining "prog" with heavy metal was actually a great idea.
11. Todd Rundgren- in my honest opinion, His work as a producer, absolutely outshines his work with Utopia and as a solo artist. Therefore Todd deserves the Musical Excellence award.
10. Fela Kuti- the so-called father of afrobeat, should be acknowledged with a Musical Excellence award, instead.
09. LL Cool J- he is extremely important to hip hop and has been nominated multiple times.
08. Jay-Z- finally a non gangsta rap artist, other than LL Cool J, gets a nomination.
07. Chaka Khan- at this point, whether or not she receives a nomination as Rufus with Chaka Khan, or Chaka Khan, she should probably be in.
06. Mary J. Blige- what a great soulful voice she has. I can see her being designated as the queen of hip-hop soul.
05. Dionne Warwick- her interpretation of the catalog of songs written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David was nothing short of exemplary, soulful and astonishing. .
04. The Go-Gos- their importance has already been noted by their most recent documentary. Will Belinda Carlisle get a nomination as a solo artist, in the not too distant future?
03. Carole King- one of the greatest songwriters of all time and as a performer, she deserves induction for her solo work for Tapestry.
02. Tina Turner- as a solo artist, she is long, long overdue for this honor.
01. Kate Bush- our biggest "prog" representative this year. She had most recently appeared on the cover of PROG Issue #114 which features a disc with Wobbler's 'Five Rooms' on it. Will her induction, lead to a nomination for Renaissance, Bjork, or Tori Amos?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 12:24pm


So the artists left on from Rolling Stones The Immortals list now are:

Lee 'Scratch' Perry ('95 version)
Gram Parsons
Eminem (eligible 2022)
Dr. Dre

Tina Turner and Jay-Z will obviously get in this year that is why I did not put them in.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 20:10pm


one thing that should not be required by the inductees is a concert

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 23:56pm


But if we go by VH-1's lists, once again assuming Jay-Z, Carole King, and Tina Turner will get in, we still need:

Sting (Nominated)
John Coltrane (Has nothing to do with Rock and Roll, so Early Influence it is!)
Devo (could slip through the cracks this year)
Iggy Pop (The Stooges are in, but does he really deserve to be a double inductee?)
Rage Against The Machine (Another potential inductee)
Sade (Never nominated yet)
Beyonce (Not old enough)
Justin Timberlake (Also not old enough)
Coldplay (Not old enough)
Judas Priest (Nominated twice, came in near last both times)
Eminem (Old enough next year!)
Mary J. Blige (Unlikely, but possible)
George Michael (Never Nominated, but he has a diamond album so it could happen)
LL Cool J (Nominated many times, needs to get in soon enough, could ride on Jay-Z's coattails this year.)
Mariah Carey (One of two artists to have hits in 4 different decades not in the Hall. It'll happen eventually.)
Outkast (Never nominated, but deserve a look.)
Alicia Keys (Not sure if she's old enough, but it's possible)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 02:54am


Enig,
I have some thoughts on the most hated bands list. I agree it's a list created by morons, There is No nice way to put it. I like a whole bunch of bands on this list. I like some U2 and I like Rush. And sooo this is a good time to mention that in the near future I expect to bring back the reviews of older classes. The forum has reached a dead end with the Most Hated list. There is nothing positive about a list like that. I try hard to be positive.
I was thinking of bringing back my reviews of older classes anyway. I was waiting for Nick to finish his Top 100 Prospects list. I didn't want to conflict with that. Also now there is soo much Repetitive debate about Fela Kuti. Just to be clear I think it was a great idea nominating Fela Kuti. I can appreciate some African music and also he deserves the nomination. Richie is a very nice guy but he has spent a lot of time debating about Fela Kuti. Fela Kuti is fine.
Also a lot of us have predicted the inductees for 2021. Soo just like last year, I think it's a great idea to bring back the reviews of older classes. I think I stopped with 2016. But I will review 2016 again. That class was rather good with Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Chicago and Cheap Trick. They could have waited on NWA. I support the inclusion of Public Enemy in 2013. I agree with that. I know and support certain rap acts. I am not a rap expert at all. So I will leave a rap discussion to others. Just to be fair they could have and should have had the Spinners instead of NWA. The Spinners is certainly Not all out rock. This way 2016 would have still had 4 rock acts and also the Spinners. Yes should have been inducted in 2016 instead of Cheap Trick.
Some may not agree with my opinions here. But at least it's Not the repetition of 2021 discussions. Also I think the 2017 class was perfect with ELO, Joan Baez, Yes, Tupac Shakur, Journey and Pearl Jam. I think that was the order for 2017. You can say this is a trailer for My reviews of older classes. You should enjoy when I do this. There are some Prog acts inducted, There is certainly a lack of prog lately. So this is a trailer. I know Nick was a big fan of my reviews. It will bring variety to discussions. It was a hit last year. I went all the way from 1994 to about 2016. I expect to do this in March. Not yet. Stay tuned. In the meantime I will give my reviews of the current nominees soon.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 06:56am


can you please tell me or show where my comment about Neil Sedaka is located on your site.

Posted by william cochran on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 11:04am


Hi William,

Your comment about Neil Sedaka is on the Neil Sedaka page.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 11:15am


Steve Z,

Which 5-7 acts do you think will get in this year and Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks as well?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 11:21am


Here's some things to ponder FRL Regulars. With all the women on the ballot 2021, it reminded me what Male Solo Artists we could see on the ballot the next 5-10 years. Some spring to mind. Many would be 2x Inductees. 1. Phil Collins 2. Sting 3. Don Henley 4. Ben E. King 5. Steve Winwood 6. Morrissey 7. LL Cool J. Can you think of any more?
JOKER
Agree on the 90's female music artists. Country had several as Faith Hill "Let's Go To Vegas" "This Kiss" and Shania Twain "Who's Bed Have Your Boots Been Under? and "No One Needs To Know" rocked the 90's with monster hits and model looks. Jewel had a good 90's run "You Were Meant For Me" and "Hands" jump to mind. Sheryl Crow was 1 of my FAV. The Globe Sessions is 1 of my FAV CD's. My Favorite Mistake 1 of my FAV songs off The Globe Sessions. The CD before it was also excellent. It had "If It Makes You Happy" "Every Day Is A Winding Road" on it. I think Sheryl Crow is a HOF. Remember presenting my case for Sheryl Crow HOF 4 or 5 years ago. I didn't listen to Tori Amos that much or Sarah McLaughlin. I also noticed many of the 90's women music artists showed a strong empowerment and spirit in their songs. Lifting women up and women they deserved better treatment from men in their careers and relationships. Speaking of another great 1990's woman, Jennifer has selected 2 songs that resonated with me "I'll Be" and "Meet Virginia" by Train. I remember hearing "Meet Virginia" for the 1st time. It was on a local radio station. I loved it immediately. Said to myself that would be a hit. I bought the Train CD with "Meet Virginia" on it. Thought "I'll Be" was a wonderful song but never knew who sang it. I just never researched who sang the song. Think Jennifer can get 1 or both songs inducted this time. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 11:29am


KING,

Justin Timberlake

Plenty popular with the masses and even Pitchfork likes him.

Posted by joker on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 12:09pm


Why May? Why not March? Why so long a wait?

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 12:16pm


They need to give the voters time to submit they're ballots.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 13:11pm



It's called the "Rock n Roll" Hall of Fame, so why are several non-rockers inducted? They should name it something like "Musical Artist's Hall of Fame." That way Everyone could Fairly be included. The ONLY one I vote for everyday is TODD RUNDGREN!!! Second & Third choice would be: Tina Turner & Carol King. These 3 have been around since the 1960's, unlike most of the other nominees. Their music contributions have been Enormous for over 50 years!
I have a HUGE issue with Fela Kuti (who is #1 in the voting). He had absolutely Nothing to do with Rock n Roll! I am both angry & astounded! He is dead, from Nigeria, and played Afro-Beat music. WHY, Just WHY??? I would eliminate him in a Heartbeat. As for other non-rocker's: Jay-Z, LL Cool-J, Mary J Blige, Dionne Warwick, Kate Bush...put them into another type of Hall of Fame! The Go Go's were just So So for me...candy coated & fluffy. I liked The Runaways & The Bangles better...and of course Vixen formed in 1970 (I was the original Bassist/Singer).

Posted by Gayle DeMatoff on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 15:44pm


Another person not understanding what rock and roll means...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 18:12pm


Hold on, people! Sirius XM DJ Carol Miller hinted that INXS may just be a secret seventeenth nominee. (Isn't it funny how they always play "What You Need" before they talk about inductions?) Yeah, she played "What You Need" before talking about the nominations. I do believe Miller works at the Rock Hall, so this does lead me to believe that there are secret nominees on the shelves that have not been brought up yet.

Posted by Living Stone on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 19:02pm


Living Stone,

I don't believe you.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 20:09pm


I'm ok with INXS.

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/21/2021 @ 21:30pm


Gayle (original bassist & lead for Vixen), Iron Maiden is not rock enough for you?

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 06:51am


My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 11:53am


Daft Punk is no more do you guys see them getting in sometime?

Maybe after Kraftwerk if they eventually get in?

1993-2021

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 13:27pm


THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

THE 8 RETURNING NOMINEES

1. Carole King
2. Chaka Khan
3. Todd Rundgren
4. Kate Bush
5. LL Cool J
6. Rage Against The Machine
7. New York Dolls
8. Devo

THE 8 NEW NOMINEES

1. Tina Turner
2. Dionne Warwick
3. Fela Kuti
4. Iron Maiden
5. The Go-Go's
6. Foo Fighters
7. Mary J. Blige
8. Jay-Z

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 13:34pm


I placed Daft Punk at #75 on my recent Rock Hall Prospects Project:

Despite its popularity worldwide, the Rock Hall has yet to induct a pure electronic artist in the performers category. Kraftwerk has been nominated 6 times to no avail, even when their predecessors Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails get inducted first. One of the genre's most recent and biggest names Daft Punk should absolutely be considered for induction. They became eligible last year but their importance to the popularization of electronic dance music (EDM) cannot be overstated. The group consists of Parisians Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo and Thomas Bangalter who don helmets to conceal their physical identities and rarely grant interviews. They became arguably the definitive House act who maintained their anonymity and controlled their artistic vision for nearly a quarter-century. Their blend of electronic, funk, disco and rock helped them create one of EDM's most influential and ubiquitous sounds. They painstakingly focus on the smallest details in their productions which often leads them to working on a single album for several years at a time. But they are completely in control of their music and image, something very few artists possess in the music industry. Ever since the release of their debut album Homework (1997), Daft Punk have been at the forefront of EDM and became one of many electronic artists that popularize the genre to a global audience. They had hits such as "Around the World" and "One More Time," but their biggest commercial success came with the release of Random Access Memories (2013). Spearheaded by the Nile Rodgers-Pharrell Williams collaboration "Get Lucky," the song became a monster smash and Daft Punk swept the following year's Grammys: winning 5 including the awards for Album and Record of the Year. It was recently ranked at #295 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums list. They continued their success with a string of collaborations with The Weeknd including the #1 hit "Starboy." Acts with as much longevity as Daft Punk should be considered locks for induction into the Rock Hall someday. Beyond commercial success, Daft Punk are well-liked by critics who praised their futuristic and adventurous studio recordings, much of which laid the blueprints for modern EDM. Their song "One More Time" appears on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs list (#307) and would serve as an incredible all-star jam. It's hard to believe, but Daft Punk became eligible for the Rock Hall last year alongside the likes of Weezer, Oasis and the newly-inducted Notorious B.I.G. Daft Punk will have to wait until after Kraftwerk gets inducted (seriously will that ever happen?), but they are probably the only other sure-fire electronic artist who gets in the Rock Hall someday. A live performance alone could sell me on a Daft Punk induction. Given the big names they worked with over the years, they could recruit some of the industry's biggest names for an incredible set. Remember their highly-memorable performance at Coachella from 2006? The LCD-lit pyramid set would be an incredible way for the Rock Hall to cement Daft Punk's legacy.

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject80-71

Posted by Nick on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 13:55pm


Plebian,

I can definitely see Daft Punk getting inducted at some time in the future, though probably not any time soon as we all know how slowly the Hall is moving on electronic music. They're as successful as anyone within that genre though and should eventually receive consideration. Possibly an ME induction at some point if not as a performer.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 14:08pm


Michael W.,

Nah that feels wrong, Daft Punk is bigger than that. Almost as a worst case to put Kraftwerk in EI and Gram Parsons in ME. Daft Punk was one of the first music stars of the 2000s as much as Jay-Z (He is 2000s, Follower) and Eminem. They are also one of those universally beloved acts where it's hard to hate them. Even those Rock Purists love Daft Punk.

Nick,

I hope we get to electronic music someday. Kraftwerk getting in will blow the gate for that genre and we may get the likes of Daft Punk, The Chemical Brothers, Aphex Twin, etc.... Maybe next year we can rally a Twitter campaign just like this year to finally get them in?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 14:22pm


As for the list of most-hated artists, I wouldn't put too much stock in who's on that list. Outside of the low-hanging fruit that is Nickelback/Limp Bizkit/Creed, the rest of the acts are immensely big bands and that is exactly what you'd expect on a list like this. There aren't going to be a ton of people who hate Men Without Hats because they didn't leave enough of a mark for people to hate them. It's hard to hate music you haven't heard very much.

Also, bands with rabid fan bases also tend to make people hate them. The fans themselves can get so obsessive that other people become very annoyed and transfer that hate to the band itself. Hence, the appearances of KISS, Rush, DMB, etc. (Full disclosure: KISS is pretty high on my most hated band list too.)

It's just like in sports. The Yankees, Cowboys, and Lakers are always among the most hated teams simply because everyone knows them. No one hates the Pirates, Jaguars, or Pelicans because they don't make enough of an impact to be hated.

The weird one on that list for me is Spin Doctors. How do enough people remember them, let alone care enough about them, to hate them? And besides Pocket Full of Kryptonite is a pretty fun album!

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 14:38pm


Aw, sad to hear about Daft Punk. I really hope that they get considered one day, and I think there's a good chance they will. They've always seemed to have more of a significant and enduring cultural profile than some of their contemporaries like The Chemical Brothers, and they've got some great music to back it up (Instant Crush is probably in my top 20 favorite songs of all time). I think that in kind of an ironic way, their anonymity and robot personas enabled them to have more of an iconic personality than most EDM producers. I don't think that Kraftwerk getting in will necessarily open the floodgates for a whole bunch of other purely electronic acts, but I think and hope that Daft Punk will be considered sometime soon.

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 15:47pm


Which 5-7 acts do you think will get in this year and Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks as well?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 19:01pm


Here's another little list project I've been working on - I like to use the Spotify "Fans Also Like" tab on each artist to find connections between current and possible future Hall of Famers, and I figure I would do so for the current nominee class. This helps us keep track of which artists have similar listener bases, and who could be considered in the future if the nominated artist is inducted. Each artist connects to 20 others through the tab, and I will also include the current Hall of Famers that connect to the nominated artists through their pages (marked with an asterisk).

Carole King: *Cat Stevens, *Crosby, Stills & Nash, *Elton John, *Jackson Browne, *James Taylor, *Joni Mitchell, *Linda Ronstadt, *Paul Simon, *Simon & Garfunkel, *Van Morrison, America, Art Garfunkel, Boz Scaggs, Carly Simon, Dan Fogelberg, Don McLean, Gordon Lightfoot, Janis Ian, Jim Croce, Joan Armatrading, Judy Collins, Loggins & Messina, Peter, Paul & Mary, Seals and Crofts

Chaka Khan: *Earth, Wind, & Fire, *The Jackson 5, *Prince, Anita Baker, Ashford & Simpson, Cheryl Lynn, DeBarge, Deniece Williams, The Emotions, Evelyn "Champagne" King, Heatwave, Minnie Riperton, Loose Ends, Patrice Rushen, Patti LaBelle, Phyllis Hyman, Rose Royce, Rufus, Shalamar, The S.O.S. Band, Stephanie Mills, Teena Marie, The Whispers

DEVO: *Blondie, *The Clash, *Talking Heads, The B-52's, Buzzcocks, The Fall, Gang of Four, Gary Numan, Magazine, Minutemen, Mission of Burma, The Modern Lovers, Oingo Boingo, Pere Ubu, Public Image Ltd., Sparks, Suicide, Television, Tubeway Army, Wall of Voodoo, Wire, X, XTC

Dionne Warwick: *Bee Gees, *Dusty Springfield, *Gladys Knight & The Pips, *Rod Stewart, The 5th Dimension, Andy Gibb, Barbra Streisand, Barry Manilow, Burt Bacharach, Carly Simon, Captain & Tennille, Diana Ross, James Ingram, Melissa Manchester, Natalie Cole, Patti Austin, Peabo Bryson, Petula Clark, Randy Crawford, Roberta Flack, Shirley Bassey, The Stylistics

Fela Kuti: Ali Farka Toure, Alice Coltrane, Antibalas, The Budos Band, Ebo Taylor, Femi Kuti, Francis Bebey, The Funkees, Hailu Mergia, Hugh Masekela, King Sunny Ade, Lijadu Sisters, Manu Dibango, Mulatu Astatke, Orchestra Baobab, Seun Kuti, The Souljazz Orchestra, Tony Allen, William Onyeabor

Foo Fighters: *Nirvana, *Pearl Jam, *Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice in Chains, Audioslave, Blind Melon, Bush, Chris Cornell, Everclear, Faith No More, Incubus, Jane's Addiction, Queens of the Stone Age, Rage Against the Machine, Silverchair, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots, Temple of the Dog, Them Crooked Vultures, Velvet Revolver, Wolfmother

The Go-Go's: *Blondie, *The Cars, *Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, *Pretenders, *Stevie Nicks, Adam Ant, The B-52's, Bananarama, The Bangles, Berlin, Bow Wow Wow, The Fixx, General Public, Howard Jones, Missing Persons, The Motels, Naked Eyes, Oingo Boingo, Pat Benatar, The Power Station, The Romantics, Thompson Twins, Til Tuesday, Wang Chung

Iron Maiden: *AC/DC, *Black Sabbath, *Metallica, Accept, Black Guardian, Black Label Society, Blind Guardian, Bruce Dickinson, Dio, Halford, Helloween, Iced Earth, Judas Priest, King Diamond, Manowar, Megadeth, Motorhead, Ozzy Osbourne, Rainbow, Saxon, Testament, Twisted Sister, W.A.S.P.

Jay-Z: *Notorious B.I.G., Beanie Sigel, Big Pun, Busta Rhymes, Cam'ron, The Carters, Diddy, DMX, Eminem, Fabolous, Fat Joe, Foxy Brown, Jadakiss, Kanye West, The LOX, Memphis Bleek, Method Man, Mobb Depp, Nas, Rick Ross

Kate Bush: *Patti Smith, *Roxy Music, Bat For Lashes, Bjork, Cocteau Twins, Fiona Apple, Goldfrapp, Grace Jones, Japan, Nico, PJ Harvey, Prefab Sprout, Roisin Murphy, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Sinead O'Connor, The Sugarcubes, Suzanne Vega, Talk Talk, This Mortal Coil, Tori Amos

LL Cool J: *Notorious B.I.G., *Run-D.M.C., Big Daddy Kane, Biz Markie, Boogie Down Productions, Craig Mack, Da Brat, Digital Underground, DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince, EPMD, Eric B & Rakim, Foxy Brown, Heavy D & The Boys, Ice-T, Kool Moe Dee, Lost Boyz, Mase, MC Lyte, Naughty by Nature, Slick Rick, Whodini

Mary J Blige: *Janet Jackson, *Whitney Houston, Amerie, Brandy, Case, Dru Hill, Faith Evans, Fantasia, Jodeci, Jon B., Jill Scott, Kelly Price, Keyshia Cole, Mint Condition, Monica, Mya, SWV, Tamar Braxton, Tamia, Tony! Toni! Tone!, Total, Xscape

New York Dolls: *The Clash, *Lou Reed, *Patti Smith, *Ramones, *Sex Pistols, *The Stooges, *T. Rex, The Adverts, Buzzcocks, The Damned, Dead Boys, The Dictators, Generation X, Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers, MC5, The Modern Lovers, The Only Ones, Radio Birdman, The Rezillos, Richard Hell, The Saints, Stiv Bators, The Undertones, The Vibrators, X, X-Ray Spex

Rage Against the Machine: *Nirvana, *Red Hot Chili Peppers, 311, Alice in Chains, Audioslave, Bush, Deftones, Faith No More, Helmet, Incubus, Jane's Addiction, Korn, Mudvayne, A Perfect Circle, Primus, Prophets of Rage, Queens of the Stone Age, Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots, Them Crooked Vultures, Tool, White Zombie

Tina Turner: *ABBA, *Madonna, *Whitney Houston, Alison Moyet, Annie Lennox, The Bangles, Belinda Carlisle, Bette Midler, Billy Ocean, Bonnie Tyler, Cher, Culture Club, Cyndi Lauper, Eurythmics, George Michael, Irene Cara, Lionel Richie, Lisa Stansfield, M People, Paul Young, The Pointer Sisters, Simply Red, Wham! (Interestingly enough, Ike & Tina Turner didn't make the list)

Todd Rundgren: *Elvis Costello, *John Lennon, *Laura Nyro, *Paul McCartney, *Steely Dan, Ambrosia, Badfinger, Big Star, Blood Sweat & Tears, Brian Wilson, Dave Mason, Dennis Wilson, Donald Fagen, Emmitt Rhodes, Harry Nilsson, Jefferson Starship, Marshall Crenshaw, Nick Lowe, Pete Townshend, Raspberries, Seals and Crofts, The Tubes, Utopia, XTC

Let me know what you think!

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 19:47pm


A proposal I came up with as a reboot for the Hall of Fame. Sorry. I don't know where else to put it.

Rock Music Hall of Fame

The election committee will be comprised entirely of rock musicians

The preliminary ballot, quarterfinalists, semifinalists, finalists, and inductees will be made public

The results of each ballot will be made public

The Hall will focus on music universally considered to be rock

Still headquartered in Cleveland

The complete act will be emphasized

Concerts will not be required

Owned by people who are involved in the music industry

The induction ceremonies will be globally televised
Categories:

Performer (Elvis Presley, The Beatles, etc.)

Contributor (BB King, Johnny Cash, etc.)

Early influence (Robert Johnson, Louis Armstrong, etc.)

Nonperformer (Berry Gordy, Jerry Moss, etc.)

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 20:48pm


Garrus,

You are very determined to erase an established history of Rock N' Roll with a very self-insert lens of what you think and Rock purists believe is Rock aren't you?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 21:16pm


"The Hall will focus on music universally considered to be rock"

That's where you've lost me, Garrus. Genre isn't binary, where every artist is easily sortable into "rock" and "not rock" boxes. It is an always changing spectrum of different influences, trends, and developing branches. Even what we consider rock music in 2021 sounds completely different from the way it sounded in 1961, and even 1991. And there are so many grey areas. Are James Brown and Ray Charles rock, or are they R&B? How about Joni Mitchell and Paul Simon, are they rock or folk? You might have an answer, but other people may disagree. And do we really want a Rock Hall that's excluding seminal figures like these four?

That's why I think a "big tent" approach is superior, we have to acknowledge that genres aren't monolithic and unchangeable. Rock and Roll contains multitudes, and as long as the style of an artist can be traced back to the 1950s forerunners of the genre, as Rock, R&B, Hip Hop, Metal, and most modern Pop, along with many subgenres and fusion genres can, it deserves to be recognized.

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 21:47pm


It's comical how some want to pigeonhole the rrhof. The angry rock purists forever can't wrap their heads around the fact that rock and roll evolved from a multitude of other styles that their precious rock music is a very small part of. I have never met a person who said Chuck Berry wasn't rock and roll, but it seems he spawned the Beatles and no one else and the rest is history to some. Their myopic view will not be stifled no matter how reason is applied

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 21:56pm


RG,

Very Interesting man on many artists that may be considered in the future!

K-Dawg,

For the time being why don't we make our own dream classes of the future Rock Hall Inductees? Here's how we will go:

-5-7 "inductees" of your choice, nominated or not (of course they have to be at least 25 years or older)

-Musical Excellence and Early Influence are done every year so no waiting

-Can be realistic or it can be what you want (It is of course your decision)

-Class of 2021-2029 only

-At the end, choose just ONE inductee you would personally do the speech for


Why don't start first? :)

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/22/2021 @ 23:40pm


James Brown, Ray Charles, Paul Simon, and Joni Mitchell would go into the Contributor category.

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 00:39am


Upon doing some research, Ray Charles is actual rock and roll as it was in the 50s. So he is a performer.

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 00:41am


James Brown started in 1958, I believe.

Plebian,

Great idea. I'll get around to it tomorrow

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 01:20am


RG,

Nice list. It should help Philip out when he does his "Who would they pave the way for" bit in his predictions".

Speaking of Philip, he really needs to get the 2020 Songs of Proof up. But he's probably trying to find one for Jay-Z, since most of his hits are or have featured spots and one of Philips rules is that Z must be the only credited artist.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 01:58am


Follower,

Easy. 99 Problems lol

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 03:51am


Nick,
I want to ask you how you feel about me bringing back the reviews of old classes. I spanned 1994-2015 or 2016 last year. I want to see if there is support for bringing it back. I would start with 2016. In case I didn't cover that one too much. 2016 class had Deep Purple, Steve Miller, N.W.A., Chicago and Cheap Trick. I was waiting for your awesome rock prospects to finish. I was open minded in my reviews. I reviewed the acts I felt deserved induction the most. For instance when I reviewed 2013 I think I reviewed them all. That class had Randy Newman, Albert King, Public Enemy, Donna Summer, Heart and Rush. They made it 6 inductees. I just want to make sure there would be response to it. You were a big fan of these reviews the first time.
I will do an assessment soon of the current nominees in the meantime. The ballot is a bit disappointing but a very good induction class can still come from it. I have to put my thoughts together on this. Tell me your thoughts on bringing back reviews of the old classes. It's getting kind of repetitious on here. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 05:31am


Nick,
I want to ask you how you feel about me bringing back the reviews of old classes. I spanned 1994-2015 or 2016 last year. I want to see if there is support for bringing it back. I would start with 2016. In case I didn't cover that one too much. 2016 class had Deep Purple, Steve Miller, N.W.A., Chicago and Cheap Trick. I was waiting for your awesome rock prospects to finish. I was open minded in my reviews. I reviewed the acts I felt deserved induction the most. For instance when I reviewed 2013 I think I reviewed them all. That class had Randy Newman, Albert King, Public Enemy, Donna Summer, Heart and Rush. They made it 6 inductees. I just want to make sure there would be response to it. You were a big fan of these reviews the first time.
I will do an assessment soon of the current nominees in the meantime. The ballot is a bit disappointing but a very good induction class can still come from it. I have to put my thoughts together on this. Tell me your thoughts on bringing back reviews of the old classes. It's getting kind of repetitious on here. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 05:31am


Ben,

Yes, by all means please detail the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame classes from 2016 until 2020; it will be like a breath of fresh air!

Thank you.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 09:24am


Enig,

That's what I say. I've observed that like other years there is a lot of repetition. Fela Kuti has been discussed plenty. I support his nomination. Others don't. There has also been debate about many others like The Go-Gos, Carole King, Todd Rundgren and Dionne Warwick. Detailing past classes 2016-2020 will certainly be a breath of Fresh Air. I may cover acts you don't like much such as Cheap Trick and Bon Jovi. But hey it will mix it up a bit. May is a long way off for the official Inductees announcement.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 09:54am


Here is a breakdown of my predictions for Inductees as well as the other Nominees.
I often break this up into parts.
2021 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

Foo Fighters-Dave Grohl is considered to be very polite, also an influential member of the Nominating Committee. I think they are too big to ignore. I say they are a Lock
The Go-Gos- They were a very important band in the 80s. A documentary helps them a lot. They were huge for awhile in the 80s. They may do better than Pat Benatar because they are more associated with New Wave which does well in recent years. They are not quite a lock, But they have a clear path.
Iron Maiden- They were a key Heavy Metal band in the 80s. There is no competition with 80's Metal this year. There is a much larger amount of Heavy Rock voters than there used to be.
Jay-Z- This is not Gangsta Rap. He is extremely popular. He is a Lock. There's no doubt about it.
Carole King- She is Music royalty. She is already as a songwriter. This corrects the mistake of her Not inducted as a solo act. She is a Lock. No doubt about it again
New York Dolls-New York Dolls could be the surprise if they get most of Rock votes. I don't think the Dolls have the contributions of some artists but they have Influence. It seems those groups that have plenty of Influence have been inducted lately. The Cars, Roxy Music and T. Rex all spring to mind.
Tina Turner-She is Rock and music royalty. She should have been inducted years back as a solo act. She is Very known everywhere for years. She has friends in high places. Committee members and tons of past inductees will vote for her. And a few hundred critics love her. As a solo artist she is very long overdue for this honor.

Some of the Other Nominees

Kate Bush-I think she will eventually be inducted but Not Now
Devo-I know a few songs. Not just Whip It. But they have very little chance because of so many other choices. They are sort of an Electronic choice this year.
Chaka Khan- She will eventually get inducted one way or another. But not this year. She should probably be in But Not this year.
Fela Kuti-He has been called the father of Afro Beat. I considered him as an inductee. But he misses because of lot of other choices. I feel he is worthy of a nomination. Hey people forget that acts like Leonard Cohen and Laura Nyro have been inducted. But alas there is others to consider this year. Fela Kuti is Fine though. and if he is Inducted that's just fine with me.
I will continue this later on. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 12:52pm


My dream classes

2021:

Carole King
Kate Bush
Tina Turner
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Outkast
The Go-Go's

EI: Big Mama Thornton
ME: Carol Kaye

2022:

Carly Simon
Diana Ross
Jay-Z
Connie Francis
Judas Priest
Sparks
Pat Benatar

EI: Memphis Minnie
ME: Gram Parsons

2023:

Daft Punk
Kool and The Gang
PJ Harvey
Sonic Youth
The Runaways
Missy Elliott
Salt-N-Pepa

EI: Mammie Smith
ME: Todd Rundgren


2024:

The White Stripes
Big Star
Commodores
LaBelle
Mariah Carey
De La Soul
Iron Maiden

EI: The Clovers
ME: The Revolution

2025:

Sade
A Tribe Called Quest
Cyndi Lauper
The B-52s
The Chemical Brothers
The Smiths
Joy Division/New Order

EI: The Dominos
ME: Crazy Horse

2026:

No Doubt
Aphex Twin
Tori Amos
Peter Tosh
INXS
Tangerine Dream
The Pointer Sisters

EI: Roy Brown
ME: Jaco Pastorious

2027:

Can
Mary J. Blige
Afrika Bammbaataa
Dan Fogelberg
Dionne Warwick
The Monkees
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

EI: Wynonnie Harris
ME: The Wailers

2028:

Orbital
Bad Brains
Black Flag
X
XTC
Ohio Players
Joan Armatrading

EI: The Jubalaires
ME: Ronnie James Dio

2029:

Fiona Apple
Robyn
Anita Baker
Slayer
Motorhead
Eminem
Tracy Chapman

EI: Mississippi John Hurt
ME: Randy Rhodes

I would choose to do a speech for Kate Bush. She's my favorite artist that's not in yet.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 13:40pm


That's awesome Greg F! I really love it!

Here's mine!:

2021:
Jay-Z
Kate Bush
Iron Maiden
Foo Fighters
Tina Turner
Carole King

Early Influence: Big Mama Thornton
Musical Excellence: Todd Rundgren

2022:
Eminem
Soundgarden
New York Dolls
Emmylou Harris
Pat Benatar
Jane's Addiction

Early Influence: Ella Fitzgerald
Musical Excellence: Carole Kaye

2023:
Smashing Pumpkins
Jethro Tull
Bjork
LL Cool J
B-52's
Big Star

Early Influence: Wynonie Harris
Musical Excellence: Rick Rubin

2024:
Beck
Rage Against The Machine
Judas Priest
Link Wray (Final 50s act to get in for me to go through the original process)
Tori Amos
Mary J Blige
Chaka Khan

Early Influence: The Dominoes
Musical Excellence: Ashford and Simpson

2025:
The White Stripes
Weezer
Missy Elliot
PJ Harvey
The Guess Who
The Marvelettes


Early Influence: Mississippi John Hurt
Musical Excellence: Diane Warren

2026:
The Smiths
Daft Punk
Sonic Youth
Motörhead
Mariah Carey
Chic

Early Influence:The Clovers
Musical Excellence: Patty Smyth

2027:
Joy Division/New Order
OutKast
Eurythmics
Diana Ross
Toots and the Maytals

Early Influence: Johnny Ace
Musical Excellence: Gregg Alexander

2028:
Blur
Oasis
Coldplay
Gram Parsons
TLC
Salt-N-Pepa

Early Influence: Chuck Willis
Musical Excellence: Sheila E

2029:
Kanye West
Beyoncé
Gorillaz
Arcade Fire
King Crimson
Faith No More
Dave Matthews Band

Early Influence:The Chantels
Musical Excellence: 'Mutt' Lange


K-Dawg, RG, Greg F, etc...

I would do The Smashing Pumpkins induction speech. Number one on my list of most snubbed

What are your thoughts?

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 14:35pm


Quick change make Kraftwerk be part of the 2022 class. That is all.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 15:20pm


Some other acts I would've included are Eurythmics, Bjork, Link Wray, Dick Dale, King Crimson, Eric B. and Rakim, Ice-T, and The Marvelettes.

Other early influence candidates I would've included Johnnie Ray, Johnny Ace, Chuck Willis and The Carter Family.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 15:50pm


Locks to receive a vote(s) from fan ballot since Day One:

1. Tina Turner
2. Foo Fighters
3. Iron Maiden

Chances of Receiving Fourth or Fifth Spot On Fan Ballot:

4. Carole King - 90%
5. The Go-Go's - 80%
6. Fela Kuti - 30%

- Fan vote tends to stay consistently solid over time. So that puts Carole King in a real good position...

- ... The Go-Go's could easily pass her up with a concentrated fan vote campaign. Keep in mind that while they have consistently trailed Carole by thousands of votes , that is MEANINGLESS when we are talking about millions of votes. To put it in perspective, they trail Carole by roughly 0.008% of all votes cast...

- But they both look pretty good compared to Fela Kuti. What, you say? He's in first place! Sure. But if you look at his trendline, his vote gains over everyone else have PLUMMETED as world music and black music stars have not kept up their Twitter campaigns for him. Where they to do so, he would win out easily and be #1. But I doubt they will. Thus, we can project him to fall behind King and the Go-Go's in the coming weeks.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 17:45pm


So I decided to remember a book I got as a gift back in 2007 called Legends of Rock. In the book were 100 performers, each with their own page (sometimes four, it was a big book.). Now that it's been almost 14 years, let's take a look at who in the book is in the Hall and who isn't?

Inducted before the book was published:

AC/DC
Aerosmith
The Allman Brothers Band
The Band
The Beach Boys
The Beatles
Chuck Berry
Black Sabbath
Blondie
David Bowie
James Brown
The Byrds
Eric Clapton
The Clash
Elvis Costello
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Crosby, Stills, and Nash
Bo Diddley
The Doors
Bob Dylan
Eagles
Aretha Franklin
Grateful Dead
Jimi Hendrix
Buddy Holly
Jefferson Airplane
Elton John
Janis Joplin
The Kinks
Led Zeppelin
Jerry Lee Lewis
Little Richard
The Mamas and The Papas
Bob Marley
Joni Mitchell
Van Morrison
Parliament-Funkadelic
Tom Petty
Pink Floyd
The Police
Elvis Presley
The Pretenders
Prince
Queen
Ramones
R.E.M.
The Rolling Stones
The Ronetts (Their induction is mentioned in the book)
Santana
Sex Pistols
Simon and Garfunkel
Sly and The Family Stone
Patti Smith
Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen
Talking Heads
Ike and Tina Turner
Van Halen
The Velvet Underground
The Who
Stevie Wonder
Neil Young
Frank Zappa
ZZTop

Inducted after the book was published:
Alice Cooper
The Cure
Donovan
Small Faces/The Faces
Guns N' Roses
KISS
John Mellencamp
Metallica
Nine Inch Nails
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Radiohead
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Roxy Music
Steve Miller Band (Sort of)
T. Rex
Tom Waits

Not Inducted:
Beck
Captain Beefhart
Jefferson Starship and Starship (The book grouped all three bands in one, the Hall did not)
Carole King (Has a chance this year!)
New York Dolls (So do they!)
Gram Parsons
Pixies
Iggy Pop (though The Stooges are in)
Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers
The Shangri-La's (The Singles Category though.)
The Smiths
Television
Weezer
The White Stripes
Wilco

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 22:48pm


Fun idea, Plebian! I'm just going to do performers this time around (besides this year), but I might circle back and fill in ME/EI inductees for the rest of the decade later. Also, I'm gonna extend it to 2030 just to make it an even 10 years. This was really hard.

2021
Carole King
Fela Kuti
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Kate Bush
Rage Against the Machine
Tina Turner
Early Influence: Big Mama Thornton
Musical Excellence: Todd Rundgren

2022
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick
Eminem
Joy Division/New Order
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Pat Benatar

2023
The B-52's
Devo
Judas Priest
Mariah Carey
Outkast
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Smashing Pumpkins

2024
A Tribe Called Quest
Cher
Gil Scott-Heron
Iron Maiden
Kool & The Gang
Link Wray
The Smiths

2025
Beck
Eurythmics
Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine
Mary J Blige
Toots & The Maytals
The White Stripes
Willie Nelson

2026
Commodores
Cyndi Lauper
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Motorhead
Soundgarden
Wu-Tang Clan

2027
Big Star
Fiona Apple
Foo Fighters
Jethro Tull
Pixies
Salt-N-Pepa
The Spinners

2028
Bjork
Daft Punk
Eric B & Rakim
King Crimson
Oasis
Rihanna
Sonic Youth

2029
Beyonce
Kanye West
Missy Elliott
New York Dolls
The Strokes
Warren Zevon
Weezer

2030
Arcade Fire
INXS
The Monkees
Nas
The Pointer Sisters
Sade
Sheryl Crow

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 23:36pm


RG,

Which 5-7 acts do you think will get in this year for 2021 and Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks as well?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 00:08am


RG,

That's fantastic! This fun idea really shows our tastes in music, but also shows the significance of each class. Also which 'inductee' would you personally give the speech for them? You got to choose just ONE.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 00:27am


This is literally what Richie asks every time we get down a rabbit hole of stuff besides lists, and when we post it, he goes back to his bread and butter. Great lists, RG

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 04:57am


Thanks guys!

Plebian, I think Arcade Fire would be the band that I could speak about the best. Maybe The White Stripes as a backup.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 07:25am


Follower,

I am more interested in seeing Philip put up his always articulate "Pecking Order for 2021." I always enjoy his assessments of the nominees, even if I disagree with them.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 09:09am


If Fela Kuti was to get inducted this year, I think that they would induct him either as an Early Influence just like Wanda Jackson, Freddie King and The '5' Royales or as a Musical Excellence recipient just like Nile Rodgers rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 12:33pm


I'm not sure if they would do that. They might just nominate him again if he doesn't get in this year. His first album was out in 1969 so It would be too soon for early influence unless they expand that category and call it rock n roll pioneers or something like that. Maybe musical excellence would be something else to look into as well but doubt it. Again they could just nominate him again in another year or so.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 13:15pm


RG,

Since you did 2030 as a dream class I will do so:

2030:
The Stone Roses
Duran Duran
Devo
MC5
Alicia Keys
M.I.A.
Amy Winehouse

Early Influence: Joe Tex
Musical Excellence: Burt Bacharach and Hal David

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 18:24pm


Ok, my dream 2021 class, based on the nominees:

Iron Maiden
Jay Z
Tina Turner
The Go Gos
Todd Rundgren
Carole King
Kate Bush

ME: Fela Kuti
Early Influence: Patsy Cline

I will continue with the class of 2022 soon, and again I am extremely disappointed with this committee, that while they did a great job representing women, they shunned Kraftwerk!

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 18:41pm


My dream 2021 class based on this year's ballot:

Carole King
Kate Bush
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
LL Cool J
Iron Maiden

Early Influence: Big Mama Thornton
Musical Excellence: Carol Kaye

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 20:49pm


Greg F,

Which 5-7 acts do you think will get in this year and Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks as well?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 21:53pm


Here's my updated prediction

Carole King
Foo Fighters
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z

If 6: LL Cool J
If 7: Dionne Warwick

Who I see as dark horses:

Fela Kuti
Kate Bush
Mary J Blige

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 02/24/2021 @ 22:57pm


My 'dream' 2021 class:

Foo Fighters
RATM
Dionne Warwick
Iron Maiden
Devo
LL Cool J
Kate Bush

EI: Big Mama Thornton
ME: Fela Kuti

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 06:36am


The Rest of the Nominees-This is continued from Tues.

Mary J. Blige-I admit she has a soulful voice. She will be inducted eventually
LL Cool J-I don't know why he hasn't been inducted already. He is a good solo 80s rapper. He is very important to hip hop. He has a bunch of nominations already
Rage Against the Machine-Tom Morello is a key member of the nominating committee. Not yet. I think the Foo Fighters will be inducted instead to represent 90s Rock. There won't be more than one 90s rock at a time until the voters are finished with the 60s and 70s.
Todd Rundgren- In my humble opinion His work as a producer, is much more known than his work with Utopia and as a solo artist. Therefore Todd deserves the Musical Excellence award. Music Royalty. Friends in high places. Committee members and tons of past inductees will vote for her. Those early hits like Walk on By and Say a Little Prayer were huge in the 60s. We Are The World. That's What Friends Are For are big later hits. She will get the same support that Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Nina Simone got for induction in 2018. But I think she will just miss because of Carole King and Tina Turner. her interpretation of the catalog of songs written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David is terrific. But I think she will be inducted in another year or 2.
What are people's thoughts? Some have given details some have Not.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 07:25am


King,
You said this recently. You were talking about 90s Women.

"Speaking of another great 1990's woman, Jennifer has selected 2 songs that resonated with me "I'll Be" and "Meet Virginia" by Train. I remember hearing "Meet Virginia" for the 1st time. It was on a local radio station"

Can you please tell me who Jennifer is. You say there Jennifer selected or sang I'll Be and Meet Virginia. Please Please let me know. You completely lost me. Once in awhile a comment loses me. It is bugging the hell out of me who Jennifer is. I just researched a 90s Woman named Jennifer. I beg you to tell me who Jennifer is!

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 09:41am


King,
I did my research on the name Jennifer, a great 1990s Woman. I got nothing. It makes no sense yet. You posted this on Sunday,2/21. Jennifer somebody. Jennifer thing is bugging me. Please respond when you can

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 09:51am


King was talking about a song project participate named Jennifer. Jennifer nominated I'll Be and Meet Virginia for the song project year vote recently. That part of the comment in question was referencing what was going on with the song project at the time and it was put on the wrong page.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 10:32am


Greg F.,
Thank you man! I feel kind of stupid now. I forget about the other pages on this site. I have never participated in the Song Project. I have looked many times at the Important songs of all time and the Album project. But NOT the Song project. I just looked at the Song project. That explains who Jennifer is. Jennifer I see nominated I'll Be-Edwin McCain and Meet Virginia-Train. I first heard that Train album with that song in 1999.
I really just tend to stick with this Main page each year for an upcoming Ceremony. Perhaps I'll check out Song project at another time. King can respond too. I support more Woman In the Hall

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 12:07pm


Here are my dream classes. This is pretty much based on who I want to see get inducted, not necessarily the most deserving.

2021:
LL Cool J
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
Duran Duran
Smashing Pumpkins
Joe Cocker

ME: Bob Geldof
EI: Harry Belafonte

2022:
Eminem
Carole King
The B-52's
Beck
Pat Benatar
Kool & The Gang

ME: Gram Parsons
EI: Ella Fitzgerald

2023:
Tommy James & The Shondells
The Smiths
Alice In Chains
Outkast
Dave Matthews Band
Cyndi Lauper

ME: Bernie Taupin
EI: Big Mama Thornton

2024:
Coldplay
Barry White
Modest Mouse
Foo Fighters
Big Star
Judas Priest

ME: Emmylou Harris
EI: John Coltrane

2025:
The White Stripes
TLC
Joy Division/New Order
Salt-N-Pepa
Supertramp
Soundgarden

ME: Mary Wells
EI: Wynonie Harris

2026:
Iron Maiden
The Commodores
Weezer
Alanis Morissette
Jim Croce
The Pixies

ME: Jeff Porcaro
EI: The Dixie Hummingbirds

2027:
INXS
Phil Collins
10,000 Maniacs
Jane's Addiction
The Pointer Sisters
Foreigner

ME: Paul Schaffer
EI: Patsy Cline

2028:
Sinead O'Connor
KC And The Sunshine Band
Mary J. Blige
Willie Nelson
Tori Amos
Stone Temple Pilots

ME: Randy Rhoads
EI: The Kingston Trio

2029:
Kanye West
Arcade Fire
Sarah McLachlan
Boyz II Men
Beyonce
Lenny Kravitz

ME: Paul Carrack
EI: Cab Calloway

2030:
Boston
Tears For Fears
Bjork
Lauryn Hill
Rage Against The Machine
The Black Crowes

ME: Billy Preston
EI: Merle Haggard

I'd choose to be the presenter for Modest Mouse. They're probably my favorite of all the artists I listed.

Posted by Michael W on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 15:17pm


The Go-Go's have knocked Carole King out of the Top 5!
https://vote.rockhall.com/results/

Jay-Z is dead last!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 15:26pm


Fela Kuti's lead over everyone else had been slipping considerably for ~10 days. He's now increased his lead quite a bit in the past day or so which likely means another Twitter surge.

Again, he wins this with ease if his prominent supporters keep up the pressure on Twitter (and a win would really help his chances of a Musical Excellence induction). But his vote total really, really tapers off to near zero when the spotlight isn't kept on. I'd still bet that not enough promotion ends up being done and he ends up in sixth place by the end of this.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 15:52pm


A lot of the surge could be coming from Jane Wiedlin of The Go-Go's as she sent out an endorsement of Fela in response to racially tinges comments about him in her Twitter comments (likely upset fans that Fela was running away with the lead).

That toxic behavior kind of reminds me of Neera Tanden supporters recently launching racist attacks on a Washington Post. Or the racially tinged attacks on Barack Obama by Hillary Clinton supporters when they were upset by his momentum (some of which were done by the aforementioned Tanden).

Sometimes tribalism, whether it be The Go-Gos or Neera can lead people to do very hateful things. Glad Jane took care of this and we could likely see a double surge in the fan vote for The Go-Go's and Fela for days.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 16:20pm


That's surprising. Jay Z is, as mentioned, the biggest albums and singles act on this ballot and he's in last place! The voters must really hate rap music!

As for the class, here's what I want:

Jay-Z
LL Cool J
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
The Go-Go's
Carole King and/or Tina Turner

What I think will actually happen:
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
Carole King
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's (Irving Azzoff always gets what he wants. He also manages Devo but if he's smart, he'll bat for the first all-white female group in the Rock Hall)
If there are any extra inductees:
Devo (Irving Azzoff)
Rage Against The Machine

Dark Horses that could throw a wrench into my predictions:
Dionne Warwick (Has a lot of connections, relevant thanks to Twitter and The Masked Singer)
LL Cool J (Jay-Z voters would probably also vote for him)
Todd Rundgren (Could get in as non-performer or Musical Excellence if he doesn't get enough votes)
Fela Kuti (Should get the ME award if he doesn't get enough votes.)
Iron Maiden (If the Hall doesn't want a repeat of last year's DMB/Pat Benetar/Soundgarden debacle they could vote for this metal ensemble.)

As Enigmaticus says: Well, what do you think?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 16:33pm


Follower,

I really like your predictions for this year's inductees and dark horses, I agree with most of your predictions for this year's inductees (Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Rage Against The Machine and Tina Turner) except I have Todd Rundgren instead of Devo, and I agree with LL Cool J as a dark horse as well.

Anyway, My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

Wild Card/Dark Horse:

LL Cool J - He's been nominated six times now and if there ever was a year that we see two Rap/Hip-Hop acts get in at the same time, It's this year with Jay-Z and LL, so I see him as a Dark Horse for induction this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 17:50pm


Richie,

Maybe I should switch Todd and Devo. Todd, like you said, has a clear path as the only real classic rock artist on this ballot. Devo, meanwhile, has Irving Azoff. Azoff will probably bat for his women but I don't think it's too far-fetched for him to squeeze both of his bands into the class.

But what do you think of my other dark horse candidates? (Dionne Warwick, Fela Kuti, and Iron Maiden)?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 18:39pm


Follower,

As far as Dionne Warwick, I just don't see her getting inducted this year on a ballot like this, especially with Carole King and Tina Turner on the same ballot as her, plus the fact that she might be too adult contemporary/easy-listening pop for the voters will hurt her as well, also I think that the 60's are done for, I doubt that we'll ever see another 60's inductee from the Performers category again except for The Monkees, Outside of them, The 60's are a sunken ship when it comes to the HOF in the Performers category, so yeah, Dionne won't make it this year.

As for Fela Kuti, I think that he'll end up like Dave Matthews Band and he'll become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following DMB last year, besides the fact that he might be too obscure for a lot of the voters, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row.

Iron Maiden should get in, but Hard Rock/Metal has a tough time getting inducted especially with Black Sabbath having to wait to get in until their 8th nomination in 2006 and Judas Priest is having a difficult time getting inducted having missed out on induction twice and Motorhead and Thin Lizzy both missing out on induction once, so even though that Iron Maiden is the only Hard Rock/Metal act on this year's ballot, I doubt that they'll get in this year even though they should.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/25/2021 @ 19:05pm


We could all collectively help to start creating more parity within the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Since only about 7% of the present Rock Hall inductees are women, a vote for an all female ballot could definitely help with acknowledging the individual contributions of the aforementioned artists and their impact on future generations. Ultimately, such a choice could set a precedent for future artists.

Could it happen this time around? Could we possibly have an all female inductee class in 2021?

Personally, since the Rock Hall Nominating list had come out- I have been voting for an all female class and I hope that many of my peers will do the same.

Instead of voting for Iron Maiden, who I still think is still very deserving, I have been alternating between voting for either Mary J. Blige, or Dionne Warwick.

The remainder of my votes are going to: Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Kate Bush.


Unfortunately, my Rock Hall nominees' list had only 4 of the present nominees on it (Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Jay-Z), which means that this list is definitely not stellar by any stretch of the imagination. I am hugely disappointed that neither Sade, nor Carly Simon, nor The Bangles, nor Duran Duran, nor Jethro Tull, nor Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo are on this list. Although, I appreciate Tom Morello and Dave Grohl, my sincere hope is that neither Foo Fighters, nor Rage Against The Machine get inducted this year. I also hope that Jay-Z and LL Cool J, cancel each other out. In my honest opinion, I would also like to see Devo and The New York Dolls cancel each other out, also. So who does that leave- Todd Rundgren, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Carole King, The Go-Gos, Kate Bush and Tina Turner?

Out of those 10, these are the artists who I think most deserve induction in 2021:

1. Tina Turner
2. Kate Bush
3. The Go-Gos
4. Carole King
5. Dionne Warwick
6. Mary J. Blige

The end result- an all female performer class!

If 7- Chaka Khan

There should also be Musical excellence awards for Fela Kuti and Todd Rundgren.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 02:34am


Yo Casper you gonna tell us your brutally honest thoughts about the other nominees?

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 02:42am


I wonder if Philip still agrees with what he said here:

"If [Warwick] were White, there would be no discussion for her. To the truly colorblind, Dionne Warwick is as worthy as Barbra Streisand."

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 14:27pm


I actually agree with that statement regarding Warwick. Connie Francis was white and also made drivel and had basically an identical successful career on the pop charts.

Also, if you put the label "Anne Murray" on the Rufus with Chaka Chan album Ask Rufus, nobody would know the difference. Pure schlock.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 16:09pm


I'll come back with some longer takes on the other nominees, Plebian. Obviously, I just showed my hand regarding Dionne Warwick - the one nominee from this year that I could never, ever get behind.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 16:11pm


What I wish:
Kate Bush
Devo
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Fela
Foo Fighters

What will probably happen:
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
New York Dolls
Foo Fighters
Todd Rundgren
Mary J. Blige

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 20:30pm


For those who are wondering about my predictions for The Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors Like's class of 2021:

Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Carole King
The Go-Go's
Devo
Dionne Warwick

Not expecting Iron Maiden to get in just yet; almost all of the nominated living members didn't react, lack of radio airplay, and they're more of on the niche side despite playing arenas and having million of copies sold, making their nomination premature. You need to induct more MARKETABLE bands consumers want the most first like Motley Crue, Boston, and Foreigner to ensure the votes are there for Maiden. They'll have the same problem this year like Judas Priest, and they're probably be dead last on the voting body ballot due to the Metal biases.

It's also not a stretch to see two New Wave bands inducted; both the Go-Go's and Devo are Irving Azoff-related.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 20:51pm


The Dude,

It's been a while, so where is the latest list of most certified bands not in the Hall? And it's nice to see someone else predict both Azoff bands.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 22:30pm


I'm still waiting for some more updates, but I will show it to y'all once Foo Fighters and maybe Rage Against The Machine gets inducted this year.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 23:31pm


You would think after his induction, they would hold off any Azoff supported acts, but no his win rate is too good:

Bob Jovi
Eagles
Fleetwood Mac
Van Halen
Journey
Chicago (Under Epic Records)
And many more....

Even Seymour Stein does not have much of a win rate as Azoff!

The only acts that he did not get the first time were Deep Purple and Devo.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 23:32pm


The Dude,

I know that your predictions for this year's inductees are Devo, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick. but I just wanted to know Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year for 2021 as well?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 23:36pm


Either New York Dolls or RATM are my dark horse picks if we're still only getting one Azoff act per year, but it's still possible we could get two. Fleetwood Mac and The Eagles were inducted on the same class and they're related to him.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/26/2021 @ 23:49pm


Jay-Z's chances seem to be slipping due to being last place. I know Fan Vote does not matter and really rappers never do well on this, but still concerning.

What are you're guys thoughts?

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/27/2021 @ 06:09am


There were no rappers inducted in 2019, 2018, 2015, 2014, 2011, 2008. It could happen again this year.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/27/2021 @ 07:07am


We could all collectively help to start creating more parity within the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Since only about 7% of the present Rock Hall inductees are women, a vote for an all female Performer's ballot could definitely help with acknowledging the individual contributions of the aforementioned artists and their impact on future generations. Ultimately, such a choice could set a precedent for future artists.

The possibility of an unprecedented all female Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction class in 2021 simply intrigues me. Can we honestly say that most of the other acts are more deserving than these women? Please think about it. We could help to change the perception of the Rock Hall from being exclusively an almost all male institution to one that has more diversity. Many years ago, Philip had suggested an all female ballot. This may be the closest that we may ever get to that possibility.

What you did not know, is that even though I have been actively supporting Duran Duran's induction for several years,I could still accept a Rock Hall induction class over the inductions of Duran Duran and Jethro Tull, If and only if that class was composed entirely of women. For many years, I have been a huge advocate for the inductions of Carly Simon and Sade. If the inductions of Carole King and Tina Turner lead to nominations and inductions for the aforementioned ladies, then I will have achieved part of my goal. I am also an advocate for Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo, The Bangles and even deserving female country artists, especially: Shania Twain, Martina McBride, k.d. lang and yes, even the late Patsy Cline and of course, I have no issues with Dolly Parton, either.

Those of you who have read my posts know that I am a huge "prog" advocate. For me, the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) had been extremely essential. Last year, the "prog" train had essentially been dis-railed with nary a "prog" artist on the list, but now we have a bonafide deserving female prog icon on the list- Kate Bush. Of course, I am somewhat disappointed that Kate has not received a higher number of votes, but that can change overnight. If Kate Bush does get inducted, then maybe Annie Haslam of Renaissance will not be far behind.

Could it happen this time around? Could we possibly have an all female inductee class in 2021?
Personally, since the Rock Hall Nominating list had come out- I have been voting for an all female class and I hope that many of my peers, colleagues and associates will do the same.

Instead of voting for Iron Maiden, who I still think is still very deserving, I have been alternating between voting for either Mary J. Blige, or Dionne Warwick.

The remainder of my votes are going to: Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Kate Bush.


Unfortunately, my Rock Hall nominees' list had only 4 of the present nominees on it (Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Jay-Z), which means that this list is definitely not stellar by any stretch of the imagination. I am hugely disappointed that neither Sade, nor Carly Simon, nor The Bangles, nor Duran Duran, nor Jethro Tull, nor Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo are on this list. Although, I appreciate Tom Morello and Dave Grohl, my sincere hope is that neither Foo Fighters, nor Rage Against The Machine get inducted this year. I also hope that Jay-Z and LL Cool J, cancel each other out. In my honest opinion, I would also like to see Devo and The New York Dolls cancel each other out, also. So who does that leave- Todd Rundgren, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Carole King, The Go-Gos, Kate Bush and Tina Turner?

Out of those 10, these are the artists who I think most deserve induction in 2021:

1. Tina Turner
2. Kate Bush
3. The Go-Gos
4. Carole King
5. Dionne Warwick
6. Mary J. Blige

The end result- an all female performer class!

If 7- Chaka Khan

There should also be Musical Excellence awards for Fela Kuti and Todd Rundgren.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/27/2021 @ 10:22am


Jay-Z will be the newest act to be grandfathered in if he doesn't have enough votes. He's too big to be ignore, and very easy to capitalize the Hall. Unfortunately, he's not enough for the next class to succeed commercially due to their recent moves of anti-consumerism.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/27/2021 @ 13:39pm


Notorious BIG was low on the fan vote and still got in.

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 02/27/2021 @ 21:09pm


The average voter on the fan vote clearly hate rap and don't think it belongs because it's not rock.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 02/27/2021 @ 21:46pm


Jay Z is the closest thing there is to a slam dunk in the critic voting, so that is moot, though.

We will see what happens with the fan vote; if it isn't someone that the nom com thinks is a draw for the Hall, it could very well be bypassed again

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 00:45am


So my oldest turn turns 17 this weekend and for his birthday I took him and a couple of his friends to the Rock Hall. He's a drummer/guitarist and his friends both play guitar. And they all prefer music made before 2000.

It's the first time I've been there since COVID started and things were a bit different. Timed entry, limited hours, and no interactive displays or kiosks. Also the first floor had a single one-way path through the exhibits. It's usually more open so you can roam around freely. The place was still quite busy and we still had a great time, like we always do. They've improved their concessions as well.

The top couple floors were dedicated to icons of rock, with mini-exhibits dedicated to individual artists, some of whom are not inducted into the Hall. Of note were displays for Dave Matthews Band, Pat Benatar, and Cher, possibly indicating how the Hall feels about those acts. Tons of other cool stuff too. I might go back later this year if they open up more displays.

Posted by Michael W on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 06:49am


My 2022 Dream class, following my 2021 class:

1. Smashing Pumpkins
2. Eminem
3. Duran Duran
4. Mariah Carey
5. Commodore
6. Bad Company


To be continued

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 16:00pm


KING QUICK THOUGHT---My Dream 2022 Class
1. Alabama
2. Bryan Adams
3. Duran Duran
4. Kool & The Gang
5. Smashing Pumpkins
6. Scorpions
7. The Offspring of
KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 16:49pm


We could all collectively help to start creating more parity within the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Since only about 7.63% of the present Rock Hall inductees are women, a vote for an all female Performer's ballot could definitely help with acknowledging the individual contributions of the aforementioned artists and their impact on future generations. Ultimately, such a choice could definitely set a precedent for future artists.

The possibility of an unprecedented all female Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction class in 2021 simply intrigues me. Can we honestly say that most of the other acts are more deserving than these women? Please think about it. We could help to change the perception of the Rock Hall from being exclusively an almost all male institution to one that has more diversity. Many years ago, Philip had suggested an all female ballot. This may be the closest that we may ever get to that possibility.

What you did not know, is that even though I have been actively supporting Duran Duran's induction for several years,I could still accept a Rock Hall induction class over the inductions of Duran Duran and Jethro Tull, If and only if that class was composed entirely of women. For many years, I have been a huge advocate for the inductions of Carly Simon and Sade. If the inductions of Carole King and Tina Turner lead to nominations and inductions for the aforementioned ladies, then I will have achieved part of my goal. I am also an advocate for Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo, The Bangles and even deserving female country artists, especially: Shania Twain, Martina McBride, k.d. lang and yes, even the late Patsy Cline and of course, I have no issues with Dolly Parton, either.

Those of you who have read my posts know that I am a huge "prog" advocate. For me, the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) had been extremely essential. Last year, the "prog" train had essentially been dis-railed with nary a "prog" artist on the list, but now we have a bonafide deserving female prog icon on the list- Kate Bush. Of course, I am somewhat disappointed that Kate has not received a higher number of votes, but that can change overnight. If Kate Bush does get inducted, then maybe Annie Haslam of Renaissance will not be far behind.

Could it happen this time around? Could we possibly have an all female inductee class in 2021?
Personally, since the Rock Hall Nominating list had come out- I have been voting for an all female class and I hope that many of my peers, colleagues and associates will do the same.

Instead of voting for Iron Maiden, who I will acknowledge is still very deserving, I have been alternating between voting for either Mary J. Blige, or Dionne Warwick.

The remainder of my votes are going to: Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Kate Bush.


Unfortunately, my Rock Hall nominees' list had only 4 of the present nominees on it (Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Jay-Z), which means that this list is definitely not stellar by any stretch of the imagination. I am hugely disappointed that neither Sade, nor Carly Simon, nor The Bangles, nor Duran Duran, nor Jethro Tull, nor Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo are on this list. Although, I appreciate Tom Morello and Dave Grohl, my sincere hope is that neither Foo Fighters, nor Rage Against The Machine get inducted this year. I also hope that Jay-Z and LL Cool J, cancel each other out. In my honest opinion, I would also like to see Devo and The New York Dolls cancel each other out, also. So who does that leave- Todd Rundgren, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Carole King, The Go-Gos, Kate Bush and Tina Turner?

Out of those 10, these are the artists who I think most deserve induction in 2021:

1. Tina Turner
2. Kate Bush
3. The Go-Gos
4. Carole King
5. Dionne Warwick
6. Mary J. Blige

The end result- an all female performer class!

If 7- Chaka Khan

There should also be Musical Excellence awards for Fela Kuti and Todd Rundgren.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 18:05pm


Alright, I'm changing my lost slightly cuz I had the biggest brain lapse.

Instead of Bad Company, Kraftwerk. Nothing against bc at all but we need to make things right before they get in

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 22:10pm


List of acts who are and/or were on Warner Bros. Records. It's one of those labels that dominates the Hall in my opinion.

Inducted

Madonna
Prince
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
Green Day
Van Halen
Black Sabbath
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Grateful Dead
The Doobie Bros
Roxy Music
Fleetwood Mac
Alice Cooper
Deep Purple
Metallica
Rod Stewart
Eric Clapton (Solo)
Stevie Nicks (Solo)
The Bee Gees
Neil Young
REM
ZZ Top
Chicago
Elvis Costello
Miles Davis
Depeche Mode
Dire Straits
Earth, Wind & Fire
The Everly Brothers
Faces
Funkadelic
The Isley Brothers
Quincy Jones
John Mellencamp
Jerry Lee Lewis
Little Richard
Van Morrison
Randy Newman
The Pretenders
The Ramones
Lou Reed (Solo)
Paul Simon
Talking Heads
T. Rex
Ike & Tina Turner
The Who
Frank Zappa

The Snubs

Deftones
Frank Sinatra
Dionne Warwick
Mudhoney
Ministry
Devo
Jane's Addiction
Chaka Khan
King Crimson
Kraftwerk
Los Lobos
Alanis Morissette
Mr. Bungle
My Bloody Valentine
New Order
The Prodigy
Rufus
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths

Future Eligibles

Linkin Park
Muse
My Chemical Romance

Am I missing anybody?

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 22:49pm


Yakko, Wakko, and Dot sure have employed some pretty noteworthy people!

(Since the founder of Atlantic Records was one of the founders of the Hall, why not do them?)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 23:53pm


"Yakko, Wakko, and Dot sure have employed some pretty noteworthy people!"

WB is the house of the Rabbit lol.

I could make a list of noteworthy names from Atlantic.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 00:01am


When Jay-Z is inducted, he will be the second billionaire in the hall as a performer, and he is probably the wealthier of the two.

(The other is McCartney)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 01:13am


The Dude,
I have predicted 5 the same as you. They are Foo Fighters, The Go-Gos, Jay-Z, Carole King and Tina Turner. Those should be inducted without a doubt. You have a couple different. I expected you to choose Dionne Warwick. It makes a lot sense that Dionne Warwick. But I think she may just miss. Dionne Warwick certainly deserves induction. I left her out of the 2021 class because I think the Votes will be more overwhelming for Carole King and Tina Turner. I do not expect an All Female class due to Foo Fighters and Jay-Z. New York Dolls is a good Wild card. I have predicted them as an inductee for 2021 because Wild cards have been inducted lately like Roxy Music and T Rex.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 07:23am


Members from T. Rex, Roxy Music, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Kiss, Aerosmith, the Velvet Underground, AC/DC, Queen, Alice Cooper, the Ramones, the Stooges, Van Halen, Guns N' Roses, Faces, The Rolling Stones, Faces, Blondie, Joan Jett, The Who, The Clash, Metallica, and The Cars are likely to make the votes happen for the New York Dolls. If that ain't enough, then you need Motley Crue, The Smiths, Judas Priest, and Scorpions to ensure thy are there.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 10:21am


Dude,

Yeah, you are missing The Four Seasons from your list..
Signed to Warner Brothers in 1975..

___

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 14:34pm


Dude,
Also you did not include James Taylor on your Warner Bros. list..
Most of his best popular releases were with them, starting in 1969 and ending in 1977.. when he then signed with Columbia Records.

___

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 14:51pm


Will N

Thanks for mentioning them! Both The Four Seasons and James Taylor are in. The White Stripes is only noteworthy future eligible I forgot to mention. They were on WB for only one album before they split up. The label sure built an army of names to dominate the Hall, and still going on.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 15:14pm


The Dude,

Have you tried good old Motown?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 17:56pm


@ Plebeian

I'm thinking about doing a list of acts who are and/or were on Atlantic Records.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 18:01pm


Percy Sledge and Buffalo Springfield, two of the Hall's marginal acts, were both on Atlantic.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 19:46pm


I now have one additional reason now for voting for: Kate Bush, The Go-Gos, Tina Turner, Carole King, Dionne Warwick, Chaka Khan and Mary J. Blige. It is now March and it is Women's History Month.

We could all collectively help to start creating more parity within the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Since only about 7.63% of the present Rock Hall inductees are women, a vote for an all female Performer's ballot could definitely help with acknowledging the individual contributions of the aforementioned artists and their impact on future generations. Ultimately, such a choice could definitely set a precedent for future artists.

The possibility of an unprecedented all female Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction class in 2021 simply intrigues me. Can we honestly say that most of the other acts are more deserving than these women? Please think about it. We could help to change the perception of the Rock Hall from being exclusively an almost all male institution to one that has more diversity. Many years ago, Philip had suggested an all female ballot. This may be the closest that we may ever get to that possibility.

What you did not know, is that even though I have been actively supporting Duran Duran's induction for several years,I could still accept a Rock Hall induction class over the inductions of Duran Duran and Jethro Tull, If and only if that class was composed entirely of women. For many years, I have been a huge advocate for the inductions of Carly Simon and Sade. If the inductions of Carole King and Tina Turner lead to nominations and inductions for the aforementioned ladies, then I will have achieved part of my goal. I am also an advocate for Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo, The Bangles and even deserving female country artists, especially: Shania Twain, Martina McBride, k.d. lang and yes, even the late Patsy Cline and of course, I have no issues with Dolly Parton, either.

Those of you who have read my posts know that I am a huge "prog" advocate. For me, the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) had been extremely essential. Last year, the "prog" train had essentially been dis-railed with nary a "prog" artist on the list, but now we have a bonafide deserving female prog icon on the list- Kate Bush. Of course, I am somewhat disappointed that Kate has not received a higher number of votes, but that can change overnight. If Kate Bush does get inducted, then maybe Annie Haslam of Renaissance will not be far behind.

Could it happen this time around? Could we possibly have an all female inductee class in 2021?
Personally, since the Rock Hall Nominating list had come out- I have been voting for an all female class and I hope that many of my peers, colleagues and associates will do the same.

Instead of voting for Iron Maiden, who I will acknowledge is still very deserving, I have been alternating between voting for either Mary J. Blige, or Dionne Warwick.

The remainder of my votes are going to: Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Kate Bush.


Unfortunately, my Rock Hall nominees' list had only 4 of the present nominees on it (Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Jay-Z), which means that this list is definitely not stellar by any stretch of the imagination. I am hugely disappointed that neither Sade, nor Carly Simon, nor The Bangles, nor Duran Duran, nor Jethro Tull, nor Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo are on this list. Although, I appreciate Tom Morello and Dave Grohl, my sincere hope is that neither Foo Fighters, nor Rage Against The Machine get inducted this year. I also hope that Jay-Z and LL Cool J, cancel each other out. In my honest opinion, I would also like to see Devo and The New York Dolls cancel each other out, also. So who does that leave- Todd Rundgren, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Carole King, The Go-Gos, Kate Bush and Tina Turner?

Out of those 10, these are the artists who I think most deserve induction in 2021:

1. Tina Turner
2. Kate Bush
3. The Go-Gos
4. Carole King
5. Dionne Warwick
6. Mary J. Blige

The end result- an all female performer class!

If 7- Chaka Khan

There should also be Musical Excellence awards for Fela Kuti and Todd Rundgren.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 20:40pm


An all female class is interesting, but unlikely. Jay-Z is too much of a lock.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/1/2021 @ 20:56pm


Enig,

I think your bias is showing. Also you just posted your predictions as much as Richie's now and we know what it is already.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 02:38am


Plebian,

Yes, I am biased. I want to see more deserving artists in the Rock Hall. This time, however the most deserving artists just so happen to be all women, in my honest opinion.

By the way, those are not my predictions. Those are the results that I would like to see occur, instead. So many people talk about inducting more ladies, but when push comes to shove- they renege on their previous commitments. There is now an opportunity to do something monumental for a change, by voting for an all female ballot; I am simply pointing that out.

Thank you.

By the way, it is really nice of you to respond.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 08:57am


Hey Guys,

The 2021 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony will take place on Saturday, October 30th 2021 in Cleveland, Ohio and also for the first time ever at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 10:19am


Don't except a lot people come to the ceremony this year if the vaccine and positive tests requirements are happening (which is very Orwellian), but it still end up being a commercial failure cause the Hall ruined the kiosk and fan ballot by rigging them while not giving a sh*t about their consumers. Greg Harris the so-called "CEO" needs to fired instantly for not mandating the most voted names from the general public as inclusions.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 10:47am


The Dude,

I expect that just about everyone will be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 in the US by then, so I expect that they can do the induction ceremony in Cleveland safely at Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse with no problem.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 11:29am


Hope Mark Mothersburgh (Devo) is well enough if he is inducted. He almost died of COVID-19. Though he stated he just got the vaccine, so I suppose the man is in a better condition.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 12:33pm


"Orwellian"
Hey FRL, can you add emojis to the chat? I have something I want to respond to with an eyeroll emoji.

In all seriousness, there still may be some kind of capacity restrictions at that point, but at the current rate of vaccinations, we should be well within the herd immunity zone by the end of summer. I think planning for the optimistic outcome is the right move. And I'm not just saying this because I work in the live events industry and want to finally get back to work lol

I'm looking forward to seeing how the ceremony changes this year, COVID aside. I know that there were a bunch of things planned for last year that obviously didn't come to fruition, but I would really like to see them get better at producing the ceremony for television. Airing it live, cutting down the speeches to a tight window, and emphasizing performances would be a good start. A producer of the broadcast was interviewed on the Who Cares... podcast a few months ago and talked about a plan they had for last year, which was to open the show with a tribute medley to the inducted artists, performed by newer artists. I'm looking forward to seeing that happen.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 12:39pm


RIP to Bunny Wailer Livingston, who should be now included in deceased RRHOFers. But Bob Marley was inducted WITHOUT the Wailers. Peter Tosh isn't in either.

Fix your mistakes rrhof! Induct the full bands necessary, like Steve Meller's, the Silver Bullet Band, and Wings

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 12:46pm


"I have something I want to respond to with an eyeroll emoji."

Just because I said that doesn't mean I'm against science and vaccinations. There are people who want to go out and enjoy things while wanting to keep things to themselves both personally and physically. COVID-19 is not a plague and it's far from being deadly. Also, every person have different body conditions; just because the vaccines have benefits doesn't mean it worked for everyone.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 13:12pm


Dude, this disease is very, very, very contagious and you can stroll around 'Typhoid Marying' people without knowing you got it.

Just because some people don't get terribly ill from it and croak is no reason to not have the safeguards for the people to whom this disease is deadly.

Look up 'Altruistic Behavoir'. It's what we should all aspire to.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 13:25pm


The more woke the Hall gets with mainstream scare tactics, the more it fails.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 13:29pm


My dream women inducted in the next decade

2021
Tina Turner
Carole King

2022
Chaka Kahn

2023
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
The Go-Gos

2024
Missy Elliot
Diana Ross

2025
Cher
Courtney Love/Hole

2026
Mariah Carey
Kim Gordon/ Sonic Youth (i really thought they were in already)
Dolly Parton

2027
Fiona Apple
Mary J. Blige

2028
Destiny's Child
PJ Harvey
Sheryl Crow

2029
Bjork
Beyonce
Shania Twain

2030 (this is the longshot year tho all these women are deserving)
Barbra Streisand
Britney Spears
Celine Dion

Posted by ABJ on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 17:20pm


Could you do a nominee history?

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 19:34pm


You know what would make the fan vote more relevant? Anyone finishing in the Top Five should not just get a vote on a ballot from it (or two given the whisperings we hear from Hall people) but also an AUTOMATIC ballot nomination the very next year. Then the fan vote would serve an actual purpose - ensuring that populist candidates have another shot at induction.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 20:48pm


So the next group of Nominees would be DMB, Pat Benatar, Soundgarden, Judas Priest, Todd Rundgren and anyone from the current top 5 that doesn't make it? (Current top 5: Fela/Tina/Foos/Maiden/Go-Go's)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/2/2021 @ 22:35pm


Follower, doubt they would grandfather in the prior round. I imagine they would announce such an incentive BEFORE a fan vote started (for obvious reasons).

It just makes total sense though as it would acts as a way for the public to voice their demands. So, theoretically, Foo Fighters/Tina Turner get in for sure, maybe Fela Kuti via Musical Excellence and then Maiden/Go-Go's would come back next year.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 03/3/2021 @ 01:59am


I have always felt that Judas Priest should be inducted before Iron Maiden due to their achievements and record releases before the band Iron Maiden put out their first record and JP's obvious influence on Maiden, along with UFO.
But now that Iron Maiden has been nominated they really cannot be denied, as their career and massive catalogue being appreciated on a much larger and global scale.
Maybe KING will back me up on this as he is probably a bigger fan than I am..
But the truth is that there is no freakin' way on the planet that the Foo Fighters or RATM should be inducted ahead of Iron Maiden, who are exponentially more huge than either of these 2 bands, and they know it.
I have seen it said on this site that if a band has 2 or more majorly successful records that are critically acclaimed, they have a more excellent shot at being inducted..
Well, Iron Maiden has 8 albums that are either major sellers, super influential, highly critically acclaimed, and extremely respected and loved in the Rock/Metal world and community. I will not go into specific details about these records, perhaps someone else will, but I will list them accordingly..

Iron Maiden (s/t Debut)-(1980)
Killers - (1981)
The Number Of the Beast -(1982)
Powerslave - (1984)
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son -(1988)
Brave New World - (2000)
The Final Frontier - (2010)
The Book of Souls - (2015)

Each of these LP's are either Gold or Platinum in the UK or the US, with a few more of their records achieving that status as well. Like I said, I am not really a big fan of their entire catalogue, mostly the earlier records, but it certainly appears that they have the most extensive credentials of all of the nominees, whether you like this genre of Rock or not. Not everyone likes every style of music, as most know and realize. This solidifies my prediction of their support for induction as I have previously stated, and will stick by that. Big deal if the theories continue that Metal does not do well with the voting committee. If they continue to ignore Hard Rock and Metal, they are in the wrong. But hey, they have voted for Nine Inch Nails last year, so that gives Iron Maiden a pretty decent chance for this Class..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 03/3/2021 @ 19:03pm


Casper,

Thanks for clarifying. Can't wait for your brutally honest takes on The Contenders and The Hopeless!

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/3/2021 @ 19:31pm


Will N.,

You think they will show up if they get inducted? Obviously Bruce and Steve won't show up, but Janick, Dennis, Paul, Clive Burr's family, Nico, and Adrian may. Another fun thing to note: Critics actually LIKE Iron Maiden compared to Judas Priest. So probably the critics could rally. Being #239 according to acclaimed music is actually pretty good.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/3/2021 @ 19:35pm


Plebian,
Yeah, I don't really know who would show up.. I think you may be right with your call on who might show, but it would be great to have Bruce and Steve there. I guess they would have to have a change of heart. Nicko is pretty cool.. I think he would go. And those you mention would be a pretty good chance to attend.. Who knows? It's an interesting thought..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 03/3/2021 @ 21:09pm


For 2022 I want:
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Canned Heat
Joe Cocker
Steve Miller Band
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Johnny Winter
Ten Years After

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 03/3/2021 @ 23:26pm


Next installment:

Ok, my dream 2021 class, based on the nominees:

Iron Maiden
Jay Z
Tina Turner
The Go Gos
Todd Rundgren
Carole King
Kate Bush

ME: Fela Kuti
Early Influence: Patsy Cline

My 2022 Dream class, following my 2021 class:

1. Smashing Pumpkins
2. Eminem
3. Duran Duran
4. Mariah Carey
5. Commodore
6. Kraftwerk

Class of 2023:

1. Soundgarden
2. Bad Company
3. LL Cool J
4. TLC
5. Eurythmics
6. The Monkees (yes, I'm filling out my personal list)

TBC, sooner than later, this time

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 03/4/2021 @ 00:54am


For 2023 I want:
Pat Benatar
Soundgarden
Motley Crue
The B-52's
Boston
Chubby Checker

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 03/4/2021 @ 01:46am


Will, completely agree that The Maiden should have been inducted years ago, and Judas Priest a couple years before that!

I do hope they are elected this year.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 03/4/2021 @ 07:11am


Judas Priest wasn't nominated

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 03/4/2021 @ 11:17am


My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/4/2021 @ 12:02pm


WHAT I WANT
Kate Bush
Devo
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Fela
New York Dolls

WHAT I PREDICT
Mary J. Blige
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
New York Dolls
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 03/4/2021 @ 14:13pm


OK, I am going to make a top 100 snubs list. If you want to, post your own top 100 snubs list.

Posted by Living Stone on Thursday, 03/4/2021 @ 21:39pm


New month, so I'll update my predictions:

Foo Fighters
Tina Turner
Carole King
Jay-Z
Fela Kuti
Iron Maiden

Dark horses:
Devo
Go-Go's
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren

Lost causes:
LL Cool J
Kate Bush
Mary J. Blige
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 03/5/2021 @ 02:40am


THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES BREAKDOWN

16 NOMINEES
10 SOLO NOMINEES
6 GROUP NOMINEES

4 SOLO BLACK WOMEN NOMINATED
3 SOLO BLACK MEN NOMINATED
2 SOLO WHITE WOMEN NOMINATED
1 SOLO WHITE MAN NOMINATED

4 ALL-WHITE MALE GROUPS NOMINATED
1 ALL-WHITE FEMALE GROUP NOMINATED
1 MIXED-RACE MALE GROUP NOMINATED

45 INDIVIDUALS NOMINATED
34 MEN NOMINATED
11 WOMEN NOMINATED

36 WHITE NOMINEES
9 BLACK NOMINEES

29 WHITE MEN NOMINATED
7 WHITE WOMEN NOMINATED
5 BLACK MEN NOMINATED
4 BLACK WOMEN NOMINATED

36 LIVING NOMINEES
9 DEAD NOMINEES

21 LIVING WHITE MALE NOMINEES
7 LIVING WHITE FEMALE NOMINEES
4 LIVING BLACK MALE NOMINEES
4 LIVING BLACK FEMALE NOMINEES

8 DEAD WHITE MALE NOMINEES
1 DEAD BLACK MALE NOMINEE
0 DEAD WHITE FEMALE NOMINEES
0 DEAD BLACK FEMALE NOMINEES

THE NOMINATED MEMBERS OF THE BANDS NOMINATED
FOR THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Todd Rundgren
5. Chaka Khan
6. Kate Bush
7. Fela Kuti (DEAD)
8. LL Cool J
9. Marry J. Blige
10. Jay-Z

New York Dolls

1. David Johansen (1971-1976: Vocals; Harmonica)
2. Sylvain Sylvain (1971-1976: Guitar; Bass; Piano) DEAD
3. Johnny Thunders (1971-1975: Guitar; Vocals) DEAD
4. Arthur Kane (1971-1975: Bass) DEAD
5. Billy Murcia (1971-1972: Drums) DEAD
6. Jerry Nolan (1972-1975: Drums) DEAD

Iron Maiden

1. Steve Harris (1979-Present: Bass)
2. Dave Murray (1979-Present: Guitar)
3. Adrian Smith (1979-1990; 1999-Present: Guitar)
4. Clive Burr (1979-1982: Drums) DEAD
5. Paul Di'Anno (1979-1981: Vocals)
6. Dennis Stratton (1979-1980: Guitar)
7. Bruce Dickinson (1981-1993; 1999-Present: Vocals)
8. Nicko McBrain (1982-Present: Drums)
9. Janick Gers (1990-Present: Guitar)

Devo

1. Bob Casale (1978-2014: Guitar; Keyboards) DEAD
2. Gerald Casale (1978-Present: Vocals; Bass; Synthesizers)
3. Bob Mothersbaugh (1978-Present: Vocals; Guitar)
4. Mark Mothersbaugh (1978-Present: Vocals; Guitar; Keyboards)
5. Alan Myers (1978-1986: Drums) DEAD

The Go-Go's

1. Belinda Carlisle (1981-Present: Lead Vocals)
2. Charlotte Caffey (1981-Present: Guitar; Keyboards; Backing Vocals)
3. Kathy Valentine (1981-Present: Bass; Backing Vocals)
4. Jane Wiedlin (1981-Present: Guitar; Backing Vocals)
5. Gina Schock (1981-Present: Drums; Backing Vocals)

Rage Against The Machine

1. Tom Morello (1992-Present: Guitar)
2. Zack de la Rocha (1992-Present: Vocals)
3. Tim Commerford (1992-Present: Bass)
4. Brad Wilk (1992-Present: Drums)

Foo Fighters

1. Dave Grohl (Vocals; Guitar: 1995-Present)
2. Nate Mendel (Bass: 1995-Present)
3. Pat Smear (Guitar: 1995-1997, 2010-Present)
4. Taylor Hawkins (Drums: 1997-Present)
5. Chris Shiflett (Guitar: 2000-Present)
6. Rami Jaffee (Keyboards: 2017-Present)

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/5/2021 @ 04:38am


THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES BREAKDOWN

16 NOMINEES
10 SOLO NOMINEES
6 GROUP NOMINEES

35 MEMBERS OF BANDS NOMINATED
10 SOLO ARTISTS NOMINATED

4 SOLO BLACK WOMEN NOMINATED
3 SOLO BLACK MEN NOMINATED
2 SOLO WHITE WOMEN NOMINATED
1 SOLO WHITE MAN NOMINATED

4 ALL-WHITE MALE GROUPS NOMINATED
1 ALL-WHITE FEMALE GROUP NOMINATED
1 MIXED-RACE MALE GROUP NOMINATED

45 INDIVIDUALS NOMINATED
34 MEN NOMINATED
11 WOMEN NOMINATED

36 WHITE NOMINEES
9 BLACK NOMINEES

29 WHITE MEN NOMINATED
7 WHITE WOMEN NOMINATED
5 BLACK MEN NOMINATED
4 BLACK WOMEN NOMINATED

36 LIVING NOMINEES
9 DEAD NOMINEES

21 LIVING WHITE MALE NOMINEES
7 LIVING WHITE FEMALE NOMINEES
4 LIVING BLACK MALE NOMINEES
4 LIVING BLACK FEMALE NOMINEES

8 DEAD WHITE MALE NOMINEES
1 DEAD BLACK MALE NOMINEE
0 DEAD WHITE FEMALE NOMINEES
0 DEAD BLACK FEMALE NOMINEES

THE NOMINATED MEMBERS OF THE BANDS NOMINATED
FOR THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Todd Rundgren
5. Chaka Khan
6. Kate Bush
7. Fela Kuti (DEAD)
8. LL Cool J
9. Marry J. Blige
10. Jay-Z

New York Dolls

1. David Johansen (1971-1976: Vocals; Harmonica)
2. Sylvain Sylvain (1971-1976: Guitar; Bass; Piano) DEAD
3. Johnny Thunders (1971-1975: Guitar; Vocals) DEAD
4. Arthur Kane (1971-1975: Bass) DEAD
5. Billy Murcia (1971-1972: Drums) DEAD
6. Jerry Nolan (1972-1975: Drums) DEAD

Iron Maiden

1. Steve Harris (1979-Present: Bass)
2. Dave Murray (1979-Present: Guitar)
3. Adrian Smith (1979-1990; 1999-Present: Guitar)
4. Clive Burr (1979-1982: Drums) DEAD
5. Paul Di'Anno (1979-1981: Vocals)
6. Dennis Stratton (1979-1980: Guitar)
7. Bruce Dickinson (1981-1993; 1999-Present: Vocals)
8. Nicko McBrain (1982-Present: Drums)
9. Janick Gers (1990-Present: Guitar)

Devo

1. Bob Casale (1978-2014: Guitar; Keyboards) DEAD
2. Gerald Casale (1978-Present: Vocals; Bass; Synthesizers)
3. Bob Mothersbaugh (1978-Present: Vocals; Guitar)
4. Mark Mothersbaugh (1978-Present: Vocals; Guitar; Keyboards)
5. Alan Myers (1978-1986: Drums) DEAD

The Go-Go's

1. Belinda Carlisle (1981-Present: Lead Vocals)
2. Charlotte Caffey (1981-Present: Guitar; Keyboards; Backing Vocals)
3. Kathy Valentine (1981-Present: Bass; Backing Vocals)
4. Jane Wiedlin (1981-Present: Guitar; Backing Vocals)
5. Gina Schock (1981-Present: Drums; Backing Vocals)

Rage Against The Machine

1. Tom Morello (1992-Present: Guitar)
2. Zack de la Rocha (1992-Present: Vocals)
3. Tim Commerford (1992-Present: Bass)
4. Brad Wilk (1992-Present: Drums)

Foo Fighters

1. Dave Grohl (Vocals; Guitar: 1995-Present)
2. Nate Mendel (Bass: 1995-Present)
3. Pat Smear (Guitar: 1995-1997, 2010-Present)
4. Taylor Hawkins (Drums: 1997-Present)
5. Chris Shiflett (Guitar: 2000-Present)
6. Rami Jaffee (Keyboards: 2017-Present)

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/5/2021 @ 04:51am


Casper,

Which 5-7 acts do you think will get in this year for 2021 and Which acts do you see as Wild Cards/Dark Horses for 2021 as well?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/5/2021 @ 20:09pm


2020 was not the best year for many of us. And indeed, it seemed an abberation for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame regardng their 2020 class. From what I could tell, half of their Performer inductees had died Before their eventual induction (Whitney Houston, Christopher Wallace/The Notorious B.I.G., and T. Rex). As well, an artist I assumed would be inducted, Dave Matthews, did not get inducted. This is despite the fact DMB won the fan vote. Little surprise that the HBO presentation was the way it was. Even so, it was nice to see the participation of living inductees Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails and The Doobie Brothers; along with Jon Landau and that one agent who bought his way to induction. Hopefully Jeff "Skunk" Baxter gets inducted into the RRHOF on his own, as we did for him with the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project.

What a pleasant birthday surprise it was to see the 2021 Performers nominee the Nomination Committee decided on. First, all nominees are either Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project inductees or are nominated for the class to come. In addition, 7 of the nominees are women. 2 of which are likely to be inducted for a second time; the right way to honor them. We could potentially have a third artist to join the 2 to join the Clyde McPhatter club. We also have 7 minority nominees and half of Rage Against the Machine (Zack D La Rocha and Tom Morello) representing minority groups. Most crucially, the first all female band to get nominated for the RRHOF. It is a decent choice of artists to be considered. Albeit I would be remiss if I feel that Dave Matthews should have been given an automatic nomination. So now with the nominees announced, here is how I see their chances of an induction.

Carole King: she is getting inducted. And rightly so.

Tina Turner: she is getting inducted. And rightly so. For both Turner and King, this corrects the oversight of initially including their ex-husbands as if they were equals. Clearly, the women led and needed no man to prop them up.

The Go-Go's: they are getting inducted. Belinda Carlisle and co. have been at this for over 40 years, through stops and starts. Even so, the time is right to include the female band that gave women everywhere the shot in the arm to start their own groups and be their own artists. I know that with Joan Jett already inducted, technically her work with the Runaways is included. However, The Go-Go's honor all 5 of the long standing sisterhood.

Jay-Z: he is getting inducted. And rightly so.

Foo Fighters: If Dave Grohl goes in right off the bat with Nirvana: it seems only fair he goes in right off the bat with the band that Nirvana might have become had Kurt Cobain still lived. These guys created one of the best songs of the past 25 years with Everlong. That alone qualifies an induction. What has come after has been fantastic. In addition, I am hoping that Pat Smear gets inducted on his won accord one day.

Todd Rundgren: he will get inducted either as a Performer or by winning the award for musical excellence. Either way, Todd is getting in this year.

Kate Bush: I think she has a decent chance of getting inducted. At the least to showcase artistic greatness across the pond, and a nod and wink to art/progressive rock.

Rage Against The Machine: perhaps they will go in. It would not surprise me. Even so, this is a packed year for quite a few artists.

New York Dolls: I had hoped these guys would have gotten in years ago. Sadly, only David Johansen remains among the living. It stinks, yet I think the RRHOF voters may be a bit timid to induct the Dolls just after Sylvain Sylvain passed.

Fela Kuti: I presume he will win the fan vote. If that happens, while I do not know if the RRHOF places Fela on the Performers inductee slot: I think he will go in as an influence. My congratulations to the Kuti family for this important honor.

LL Cool J: they will have to induct him someday. Mr. Smith is already a Kennedy Center honoree. It has already been too long of a wait. A bit related, yet I honestly feel the same way about Sting.

Devo: we might get a surprise and see Mark Mothersbaugh and co. get an induction. It's though a stacked year.

Mary J. Blige: I personally would put her on my ballot, and on every ballot until she gets in. If not now, then sooner rather than later.

Chaka Khan: she will need to get inducted someday. Even we at FRL realized this and inducted Chaka Khan 2 years ago.

Iron Maiden: they easily win the classic rock and metal voters ballot. And in another time these greats would go in without any issues. The issue this year is, again, the stacked nominees list.

Dionne Warwick: I doubt she goes in this year. Even so, she might go in the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. That would solidify her impeccable credentials.

I think when the inductees are announced next month, you will see 7 Performer inductees. My predictions for who goes in are:

Tina Turner
Carole King
Jay-Z
The Go-Go's
Foo Fighters
Kate Bush
LL Cool J

I also think Todd Rundgren will go in with the award for musical excellence. This will be similar to we at FRL inducting Todd as a Non-Performer. Fela Kuti will go in as an influence, especially if he wins the fan vote. And I think there may be another potential backdoor induction as an influence.

Kraftwerk

The passing last year of Florian Schneider has prompted many to look back at the originators of electronic dance and synth-pop. Indeed, I remember reading several music journalists declaring Kraftwerk to be the most important music group in their time. Or at least second behind the Beatles. Do not be surprised to see Kraftwerk get an induction this way.

In any case, I am looking forward to who gets inducted, along with the induction ceremony to come. With more inductees alive this year, it should be a ratings bonanza. And a great way to start a holiday season better than last year.

Looks like the whole world is trying to get back in sync, but don't tell Justin Timberlake:),

Lax38

Posted by Lax38 on Friday, 03/5/2021 @ 21:03pm


Random question:


How old is the average Hall of Fame inductee?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 03/6/2021 @ 01:46am


Random question:


How old is the average Hall of Fame inductee?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 03/6/2021 @ 01:46am


Next installment:

Ok, my dream 2021 class, based on the nominees:

Iron Maiden
Jay Z
Tina Turner
The Go Gos
Todd Rundgren
Carole King
Kate Bush

ME: Fela Kuti
Early Influence: Patsy Cline

My 2022 Dream class, following my 2021 class:

1. Smashing Pumpkins
2. Eminem
3. Duran Duran
4. Mariah Carey
5. Commodores
6. Kraftwerk

Class of 2023:

1. Soundgarden
2. Bad Company
3. LL Cool J
4. TLC
5. Eurythmics
6. The Monkees (yes, I'm filling out my personal list)

Class of 2024:

1. Judas Priest
2. Salt N Pepa
3. Outkast
4. New Order/Joy Division
5. Foo Fighters
6. Carly Simon

More to come; admittedly this is getting more difficult between choosing diversity and who I still believe belongs in the RRHOF, and there is still a chunk of "rock bands" I believe that has been shafted, but trends are what they are...and these others acts are just as deserving

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 03/6/2021 @ 08:47am


On a side note, I just noticed I included Eminem and Mariah Carey on the same year; if I recall, like with every other contemporary pop star of the late 90s, I think Marshal Mathers had some kind of a beef against her...lol

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 03/6/2021 @ 08:51am


Someone should make a list of inductees he dissed.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 03/6/2021 @ 13:55pm


THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES BREAKDOWN

16 NOMINEES
10 SOLO NOMINEES
6 BAND NOMINEES

35 MEMBERS OF BANDS NOMINATED
10 SOLO ARTISTS NOMINATED

4 SOLO BLACK WOMEN NOMINATED
3 SOLO BLACK MEN NOMINATED
2 SOLO WHITE WOMEN NOMINATED
1 SOLO WHITE MAN NOMINATED

4 ALL-WHITE MALE GROUPS NOMINATED
1 ALL-WHITE FEMALE GROUP NOMINATED
1 MIXED-RACE MALE GROUP NOMINATED

45 INDIVIDUALS NOMINATED
34 MEN NOMINATED
11 WOMEN NOMINATED

36 WHITE NOMINEES
9 BLACK NOMINEES

29 WHITE MEN NOMINATED
7 WHITE WOMEN NOMINATED
5 BLACK MEN NOMINATED
4 BLACK WOMEN NOMINATED

36 LIVING NOMINEES
9 DEAD NOMINEES

21 LIVING WHITE MALE NOMINEES
7 LIVING WHITE FEMALE NOMINEES
4 LIVING BLACK MALE NOMINEES
4 LIVING BLACK FEMALE NOMINEES

8 DEAD WHITE MALE NOMINEES
1 DEAD BLACK MALE NOMINEE
0 DEAD WHITE FEMALE NOMINEES
0 DEAD BLACK FEMALE NOMINEES

THE NOMINATED MEMBERS OF THE BANDS NOMINATED
FOR THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Todd Rundgren
5. Chaka Khan
6. Kate Bush
7. Fela Kuti (DEAD)
8. LL Cool J
9. Mary J. Blige
10. Jay-Z

New York Dolls

1. David Johansen (1971-1976: Vocals; Harmonica)
2. Sylvain Sylvain (1971-1976: Guitar; Bass; Piano) DEAD
3. Johnny Thunders (1971-1975: Guitar; Vocals) DEAD
4. Arthur Kane (1971-1975: Bass) DEAD
5. Billy Murcia (1971-1972: Drums) DEAD
6. Jerry Nolan (1972-1975: Drums) DEAD

Iron Maiden

1. Steve Harris (1979-Present: Bass)
2. Dave Murray (1979-Present: Guitar)
3. Adrian Smith (1979-1990; 1999-Present: Guitar)
4. Clive Burr (1979-1982: Drums) DEAD
5. Paul Di'Anno (1979-1981: Vocals)
6. Dennis Stratton (1979-1980: Guitar)
7. Bruce Dickinson (1981-1993; 1999-Present: Vocals)
8. Nicko McBrain (1982-Present: Drums)
9. Janick Gers (1990-Present: Guitar)

Devo

1. Bob Casale (1978-2014: Guitar; Keyboards) DEAD
2. Gerald Casale (1978-Present: Vocals; Bass; Synthesizers)
3. Bob Mothersbaugh (1978-Present: Vocals; Guitar)
4. Mark Mothersbaugh (1978-Present: Vocals; Guitar; Keyboards)
5. Alan Myers (1978-1986: Drums) DEAD

The Go-Go's

1. Belinda Carlisle (1981-Present: Lead Vocals)
2. Charlotte Caffey (1981-Present: Guitar; Keyboards; Backing Vocals)
3. Kathy Valentine (1981-Present: Bass; Backing Vocals)
4. Jane Wiedlin (1981-Present: Guitar; Backing Vocals)
5. Gina Schock (1981-Present: Drums; Backing Vocals)

Rage Against The Machine

1. Tom Morello (1992-Present: Guitar)
2. Zack de la Rocha (1992-Present: Vocals)
3. Tim Commerford (1992-Present: Bass)
4. Brad Wilk (1992-Present: Drums)

Foo Fighters

1. Dave Grohl (Vocals; Guitar: 1995-Present)
2. Nate Mendel (Bass: 1995-Present)
3. Pat Smear (Guitar: 1995-1997, 2010-Present)
4. Taylor Hawkins (Drums: 1997-Present)
5. Chris Shiflett (Guitar: 2000-Present)
6. Rami Jaffee (Keyboards: 2017-Present)

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 03/6/2021 @ 15:05pm


What are your predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/6/2021 @ 21:47pm


The Go-Gos have a more consistent fanbase than Iron Maiden and Foo Fighters when it comes to fan ballot voting. They're on track to inevitably take the #3 spot.

Foo Fighters and Maiden were the obvious "rockist" picks, and as interest wanes the further we get out from the nominee announcement, neither seems to have much of a dedicated base to vote daily in the fan poll.

This could provide Carole King an opening to make the Top Five as she likely rides a lot of the Tina Turner and Go-Gos coattails.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 03/7/2021 @ 13:44pm


Next installment:

Ok, my dream 2021 class, based on the nominees:

Iron Maiden
Jay Z
Tina Turner
The Go Gos
Todd Rundgren
Carole King
Kate Bush

ME: Fela Kuti
Early Influence: Patsy Cline

My 2022 Dream class, following my 2021 class:

1. Smashing Pumpkins
2. Eminem
3. Duran Duran
4. Mariah Carey
5. Commodores
6. Kraftwerk

Class of 2023:

1. Soundgarden
2. Bad Company
3. LL Cool J
4. TLC
5. Eurythmics
6. The Monkees (yes, I'm filling out my personal list)

Class of 2024:

1. Judas Priest
2. Salt N Pepa
3. Outkast
4. New Order/Joy Division
5. Foo Fighters
6. Carly Simon

Class of 2025:

1. Motley Crue
2. Alice in Chains
3. George Michael
4. Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine
5. Pantera
6. Foreigner

This is getting harder and harder, especially trying to rep diversity...

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 03/8/2021 @ 09:37am


To all the Hall apologists who are still defending the RIGGED fan ballot, here's a good I found from Facebook that actually gets what consumerism is and knows that it matters and it needs to come first.

"Explaining how the system is a joke doesn't make it any less of a joke. Obviously the fan vote only counting for one out of hundreds is a terrible system that's outright offensive to ones intelligence."

"They make money off of the website's traffic it generates. They don't give a sh*t about peoples opinions they just want some easy money from web-hits. It's the kinds of greasy tactic you would expect from a used car salesman, not a supposedly respectable establishment. They cannot do things like this and expect to have anyone's respect."

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/8/2021 @ 10:36am


My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/8/2021 @ 11:28am


Hey Guys,

https://twitter.com/Wildaboutmusic/status/1369056527684804611

The ballots are due back on May 3th, The fan vote ends April 30th and The ballots are due back a few days later on May 3th, so I think that this year's inductees will be announced a few days after all the ballots are due back.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/8/2021 @ 22:14pm


Seems legit.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/9/2021 @ 01:49am


richie,
I agree with you about 7 inductees this year. I think it will be like 2019. We agree on some of the predictions. But I go with Iron Maiden and New York Dolls. You may feel these are long shots. But I think Iron Maiden, especially has a great shot.
I know your opinion on Fela Kuti. You feel he has no chance at all as a performer inductee. I know all about your view. I go with Nick on the view of Fela Kuti. That he has a good chance. But Ahh I don't feel he has enough of a chance that he is inducted this year. I think Fela Kuti may just miss due to the stacked class of talent. I'm not sure if they would make him Music Excellence. They might just nominate him again if he doesn't get in this year. His first album was out in 1969 so It would make him clearly in the running for performer.. Again they could just nominate him again in another year or so. Thats what I think. But I am not predicting Fela Kuti for the class this year. I made this footnote because I don't agree that he is un deserving but that he just won't be inducted this year. I will be detailing past classes 2016-2020 soon. Feel free to respond to this

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/9/2021 @ 06:36am


Remember when there was a rumor that Janet was only inducted because of Affirmative Action? I can't see that happening again. Jay-Z already covers that, so there won't be a 7 inductee class.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/9/2021 @ 12:33pm


https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=top_tallies&ttt=DA#search_section

After Carol King gets inducted, this list of acts whose best-selling releases are diamond but not in the Hall will look like this. Lots of surprises.

Garth Brooks
Hootie & The Blowfish
Shania Twain
Boston
Alanis Morissette
Adele
Backstreet Boys
Britney Spears
Lil Nas X
Meat Loaf
John Legend
Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee
The Chainsmokers
The Chicks
Boyz II Men
Bruno Mars
Celine Dion
Ed Sheeran
Eminem
Jewel
Justin Bieber
Katy Perry
Kenny G
Kenny Rogers
Linkin Park
Matchboy Twenty
Phil Collins
TLC
Creed
Drake
Florida Georgia Line
Kid Rock
Mark Ronson
N SYNC
Outkast
Pharrell Williams
Pinkfong (LOL Won't happen)
The Weeknd
Wiz Khalifa
Bebe Rexha
Cardi B
Carley Rae Jepsen
FETTY WAP
Foster The People
Fun.
George Micheal
Hammer
Imagine Dragons
Jason Mraz
Lauryn Hill
Lionel Richie
LMFAO
Lorde
Macklemore & Ryan Lewis
Meghan Trainor
Miley Cyruss
Nelly
Nickelback
No Doubt
Norah Jones
Onerepublic
Patsy Cline
Post Malone
REO Speedwagon
Robin Thicke
Sam Smith
Smashing Pumpkins
Taylor Swift
Black Eyed Peas
Travis Scott
Usher

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/9/2021 @ 16:02pm


I hope to God Smashing Pumpkins and Eminem are next!

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 03/9/2021 @ 18:49pm


@ Plebian

In terms of album sales, these are the the acts that will be inducted the most years from now.

Carol King
Eminem
Boston
Mariah Carey
Alanis Morissette
Linkin Park
TLC
Lionel Richie
Patsy Cline
George Michael
Phil Collins
Outkast
Celine Dion
Smashing Pumpkins

It would take a little more than a decade or so to clear out the list entirely. Since Creed have their own diamond-selling album, here's something I'll openly admit: Even though, I don't see it happen, but I would accept them if they include the Alter Bridge name and material with Myles Kennedy (who was at the 2012 ceremony) like how the Hall inducted the Faces/Small Faces and how we want Joy Division/New Order's induction to look like. I really enjoyed their songwriting more than under their most notable name.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/9/2021 @ 20:13pm


Tina Turner just took back her 1st place over Fela.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 03/9/2021 @ 20:43pm


And Fela just took it back. The way the fan vote results basically looks like this:

Fela
Tina



Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
The Go-Go's
Carole King




Todd Rundgen
Devo
Dione Warwick
Rage Against The Machine
Chaka Khan




Kat Bush
Mary J. Blige
New York Dolls

LL Cool J
Jay-Z

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 03:15am


So if Foo Fighters and Jay-Z both get inducted this year, which one do you think would be the headliner for the ceremony? Jay-Z is the bigger star of the two and would likely headline if they were in a neutral setting. But Foo Fighters are obviously the more traditional rock band and might appeal more to the fan base that would attend/tune into the ceremony. I think I'd still lean toward Jay-Z headlining myself, but I'm curious what the rest of you think.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 06:40am


Jay Z would be the headliner. For the simple reason of the atmosphere we are in; he speaks of diversity, and additionally, I believe Tina Turner, who quietly is a guaranteed thing herself, will be the highlight of the ceremony.

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 10:36am


Fela took number 1 again! A Musical Excellence slot for him would be dumb IMO as I think he maybe part of the performers.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 11:07am


I think that Fela Kuti will end up like the Dave Matthews Band and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted just like DMB were last year, I think that there are not very many voters that will vote for him (There are a few that will vote for him but not a lot will vote for him), so I think that Fela will end up like DMB and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted, I think that Fela will become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band (aka DMB) last year, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 12:00pm


I don't think Fela, Todd Rundgren, or Kraftwerk will be inducted as ME this year. It took 11 nominations for Chic over 15 years to get Nile Rodgers an ME induction and those other three aren't close to that yet. They'll all keep getting noms for a few more years before that happens (unless they get in as performers).

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 12:36pm


Michael W.,

Here's who I think might show up to do the ceremony and perform:

Fela-His family will show up, accept it, and probably perform

Jay-Z -Will show up and maybe the headliner

Foo Fighters-Obviously and maybe share the headliner with Jay-Z

Tina Turner-Renounced her U.S. citizenship, so probably a close friend or relative accepts it on her behalf

Carole King-Will show up and perform

RATM- will show up and perform

New York Dolls-David Johansson will show up and probably accept it for the
whole band, maybe perform

Chaka Khan-Show up and perform

Kate Bush-A private person, so a representative might come and accept
it on her behalf

Mary J. Blige-Show up and perform

Devo-Show up and perform

Iron Maiden- The current members minus Harris and Dickinson will accept it, probably won't perform

LL Cool J-Show up, maybe perform

Todd Rundgren- Depends if he changes his mind; He seems to still stand on his position among the Hall

Dionne Warwick-Show up and probably get a tribute show

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 14:38pm


Plebian,
I was figuring on Tina Turner headlining . But then you said she renounced her citizenship. I have always found that the headliner is an act that has no problem or disagreement going on. Lack of citizenship is a bit if a problem. I was Not aware of this with Tina Turner. The it would be Foo Fighters or Jay-Z. They may share as headliners. These are shoo ins I say

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 17:58pm


Ben,

It happened a long time ago around the late 90s-early 00s. She did so combined with her retirement. There is a Larry King interview online that he did about it. She currently lives in Switzerland with her second husband.
I'm sure they can pull a tribute performance for her, but I suppose John Skyes wants at least almost all the acts to be present and perform if it means making some money.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 18:27pm


Ben & Plebian,

Dionne Warwick still performs, she was playing shows right up until the shutdown last year. I think she would be game to perform during the ceremony.

And I don't think the citizenship thing for Tina is a problem - plenty of artists that show up aren't US citizens, travel restrictions should be lifted before October, and she has traveled to the US for various events since then - but I still doubt that she would perform, given that she hasn't played a concert in 12 years and has been pretty sick several times over the last decade. Nobody really knows if she still can or would be willing to perform. She seemed pretty grateful to be nominated in an interview last week though, so I bet she shows up (or barring that, records some kind of video speech), but gets a tribute performance.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 20:09pm


RG,

Ah, I see. I thought Warwick was like Bill Withers where she would show up and accept it, but in no clear condition to perform. For a 79 year old that's not bad.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/10/2021 @ 20:41pm


I doubt Todd Rundgren, Kate Bush, David Johansen, Tina Turner, or anyone from Iron Maiden will show up, but everyone else probably will. (Except the dead ones.)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 03/11/2021 @ 03:37am


RG,
Yeah the citizenship thing may not be a problem for Tina but her health issues may be a problem. I don't recall her performing In a long time. 12 years sound accurate. I know about her her health problems. She beat at least one kind of cancer. And so that would make her Not be a Headliner is always an act that actually and physically perform.
Therefore it would still be Foo Fighters or Jay-Z or both. I would love to see the Go-Go's headline but I doubt that would ever happen because Foo Fighters and Jay-Z have so much more worldwide success. The Go-Go's are really for terrific nostalgia of the 80s

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/11/2021 @ 17:06pm


My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/11/2021 @ 19:38pm


Now on to the Dark Horses:

Devo - Classic Alternative has had some success lately with Roxy Music, The Cure and Depeche Mode getting in, so Devo might benefit from that and plus the ceremony's back in Cleveland this year and they're from Ohio, so it might help them to get in, However, they still might be seen as too much of a novelty act by the voting body, so they might not get in this year, Still, I see them as a Dark Horse.
Iron Maiden - They really truly deserve to be in and they have virtually no competition when it comes to Classic Rock/Hard Rock/Metal on this year's ballot, but Metal has been a tough sell for the voting body with Black Sabbath taking 8 nominations to get in and Judas Priest and Motorhead both missing out on induction in the last few years, so Maiden might not get in this year, but still, I see them as a Dark Horse.
LL Cool J - If there was ever a time that we see two Rap/Hip-Hop acts get in the same year, It's this year with Jay-Z and LL, LL has been nominated 6 times now and he might benefit from Jay-Z being a virtual lock this year, I see him as a Dark Horse.
New York Dolls - Glam has been on a roll the past two years with the inductions of Roxy Music and T. Rex, so New York Dolls might benefit from that, plus it's their first time on the ballot in 20 years (they were nominated for the 2001 class) and also the recent death of guitarist Sylvain Sylvain and the upcoming Showtime documentary about David Johansen might help them as well, However they're also Proto-punk and MC5 have failed 5 times now, so they might not get in this year, Still, I see them as a Dark Horse.

Those are the acts that I see as Dark Horses this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/11/2021 @ 19:39pm


2021
Kate Bush
Foo Fighters
New York Dolls
Devo
Iron Maiden
Fela

AME: Chubby Checker

EI: Scott Joplin

NP: Ed Sullivan

2022
Canned Heat
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Joe Cocker
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Johnny Winter
Lou Rawls

AME: Steve Miller Band

EI: Tommy Johnson

NP: Edward D. Easton

2023:
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
King Crimson
Motorhead
Soundgarden
The J Geils Band
Eddie Money

AME: The Silver Bullet Band

EI: The Glenn Miller Orchestra

NP: Ahmet Ertegun

2024
Pat Benatar
The Dave Matthews Band
Styx
Jethro Tull
Procol Harum
Supertramp

AME: The Belmonts

EI: Cab Calloway

NP: Harry Warner

2025
Asia
Toto
Kansas
Boston
Stray Cats
The B-52's

AME: Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats

EI: Louis Prima

NP: Albert Warner

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 03/12/2021 @ 02:12am


About the 2021 Nominees, Garrus wrote:

NP: Ahmet Ertegun

Ahmet Ertegun was inducted in 1987

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/12/2021 @ 02:47am


Garrus,
What is AME? Also are these wish list or actual Predictions? As predictions they are not that Realistic. For 2022 I would love to see Blood,Sweat & Tears and Johnny Winter. But those would not be at the same time these days. Those all originate from the 1960s and 70s. Acts like Rage Against the Machine and Duran Duran would be inducted Next year.
But what is AME? What is AME?

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/12/2021 @ 07:36am


Award Musical Excellence

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/12/2021 @ 07:54am


Yes some us are putting up have been classes to pass the time instead of putting up our prediction lists up over and over again.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 03/12/2021 @ 08:22am


So I did some personal digging on notable musical acts from Ohio that have been inducted in the Rock Hall. I tried to think of a correlation on acts from there that get inducted in Cleveland or in New York. It's pretty weak, but an interesting thought.

Bobby Womack-Cleveland
Dave Grohl-New York (w/ Nirvana)
The O'Jays-New York
Chrissie Hynde-New York
Bootsy Collins-Cleveland
The Isley Brothers-New York
The Moonglows-New York

Nine Inch Nails is the only one inducted with no ceremony (for obvious reasons)

This year we have Devo and Foo Fighters (Dave Grohl again). It is a weak correlation as just because you are from Cleveland does not mean you will be inducted there. However, I suppose having hometown advantage helps and kind of hits home.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 03/12/2021 @ 10:54am


The Cars' Benjamin Orr was born and raised in Ohio, in a town very close to Cleveland. I would have to look for others, but I that one offhand.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 03/12/2021 @ 11:46am


For each year I was trying for a different theme

2022: Finishing Woodstock Monterey
2023: Artists neglected so long they have passed
2024: Finish 80s female hard rockers and finally get the highly demanded Dave Matthews Band in, plus finish up the neglected progressive rock
2025: continue with prog (I realized too late to include post punk)

AME I used for neglected backing groups like the SBB and artists who have been waiting too long like Chubby Checker

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 03/12/2021 @ 12:32pm


@FRL

Here's another Rock Hall voter that I found that replied in Brian Koppelman's tweet you retweeted:

https://twitter.com/MMLunlimited/status/1369601148064313346?s=20

He mentioned that the Go-Go's will be his possible fifth slot, but based on his banner photo on his Twitter account, I know he voted for Jay Z and possibly Fela Kuti.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 03/12/2021 @ 18:33pm


Garrus,
I sort of think AME stands for Artist of Music Excellence. Ohh it must be Award Music Excellence. Like Chubby Checker.
He got inducted in the silly Singles category for the Twist a few years ago.
It seems like your Class predictions are actually Dream classes. Not what you feel would actually happen.
There is at most one slot for a 60s act these days . I would say if I would pick one it would be Blood, Sweat & Tears.
This is what a realistic class would look like.
2022
Blood,Sweat & Tears
The Commodores
Duran Duran
Eminem
Jethro Tull
Dionne Warwick

That's a realistic class for 2022. I'm not sure what you were going with. A Dream class would be different. I'm a big Rock guy but Heyy there is all kinds of music out there.
That would be a class for 2022 I could see
I'm not big on projecting the next 5 classes or things like that. That's getting ahead of ourselves. But I have an example of a decent realistic 2022 class

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/12/2021 @ 19:36pm


So guys who do you think after the inductees are announced will show up for next year's ballot? I'm betting on New York Dolls, Chaka Khan/Rufus, and Iron Maiden to reappear.

New York Dolls-As Nick stated they have a new documentary from the legendary Martin Scorsese about them and next year is the 50th anniversary of their self-titled debut. The next ceremony is in New York too so that adds more than enough good luck to get them in. Another thing, 'three times the charm'

Rufus/Chaka Khan-Clearly Questlove wants her in and is too stubborn to suggest anyone us. The new Nile Rodgers everyone! (I refuse to have Kraftwerk be considered that title because I swear their chances most be getting better somehow)

Iron Maiden-Maybe a second round won't hurt a bit? Compared to other heavy metal acts on previous ballots, it seems they are having the strongest bet combined with critical acclaim unlike Priest and have notable visibility unlike Motörhead.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 02:12am


Alright. It's time to start my reviews detailing Past classes of the RnR Hall of Fame 2016-2020. I never did finished it with the most recent classes. I will start with the 2016 class. I will go pretty much in the order they performed. I will leave certain ones out I know too little about or don't think deserved it at all.
Ok. I start with Deep Purple. Deep Purple opened the 2016 ceremony. It was a mostly 70s Rock. Now Deep Purple are one of the Greatest Heavy Rock bands of all time.
They started out as a Psychedelic pop band.
They had a huge hit in 1968 with Hush.
Kentucky Woman is another early hit. The band had Ritchie Blackmore, Jon Lord and Ian Paice from the start but Rod Evans was vocalist.
And then came the Heavy Rock. They dismissed Rod Evans. Deep Purple recruited Ian Gillan and Roger Glover. They took full advantage of Gilllan's powerful vocals. They did well with Deep Purple in Rock and Fireball. Fireball has a favorite of mine, Strange kind of Woman.
Plans to record the follow-up at the Casino in Montreux, Switzerland, were derailed after the venue went on fire during a live appearance by Frank Zappa, but the experience inspired Deep Purple's most famous hit, the Rock classic, "Smoke on the Water." The song, featured on the multi-platinum classic Machine Head, reached the U.S. Top Five in 1973 and positioned Deep Purple among rock's elite; the band consolidated its status with the 1973 studio follow-up Who Do We Think We Are and the hit "Woman from Tokyo." However, long-simmering creative differences between Blackmore and Gillan pushed the latter out of the group that same year, with Glover soon exiting as well. Singer David Coverdale and bassist/singer Glenn Hughes were recruited for 1974's Burn, and Gillan formed a band bearing his own name.

After completing 1974's Stormbringer, Blackmore left Deep Purple to form Rainbow with vocalist Ronnie James Dio; his replacement was guitarist Tommy Bolin, who made his debut on Come Taste the Band. Does anyone out there know Tommy Bolin The group dissolved in 1976. Coverdale, meanwhile, went on to form Whitesnake, and Bolin died of a drug overdose later in the year.
The classic lineup of Blackmore, Gillan, Lord, Glover, and Paice reunited in 1984 for the big album, Perfect Strangers. The House of Blue Light followed three years later, but as past tensions resurfaced, Gillan again exited in mid-1989. A Rainbow vocalist Joe Lynn Turner was recruited for 1990's Slaves and Masters before Gillan again rejoined to record The Battle Rages On..., an apt title as Blackmore quit the group midway through the supporting tour, temporarily replaced by Joe Satriani.
I love the albums Machine Head, Who Do we think we Are and Made in Japan. Those are great albums. I love Smoke on the Water. But I have many other favorites like Strange Kind of Woman, Highway Star and Space Truckin and Rat Bat Blue.
Despite a lot of upheavals Deep Purple made it to the 21st Century. Jon Lord departed and made some classical album. Jon Lord died in 2012.
And hey Deep Purple were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2016. They certainly deserve their place in the Hall. I only have time for this one act. This is like a test to see if you guys want to respond. I will continue with 2016 class in a couple days. Alright guys. The class reviews are back. Nick, Will N, Enig and others should respond. Hopefully momentum builds up and I continue it. Deep Purple breaks the ice. Ok guys, I look forward to responses just like Last year!

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 05:55am


Hey Ben,
Read your piece on Deep Purple.. it is very good so I thought I would throw in a few bits of information as well.
Everybody knows that Deep Purple was super huge in the early to mid 70's and probably only second to Led Zeppelin or maybe The Who in popularity at the time. Maybe it was due to every hard Rocker knowing "Smoke On the Water" and the impact of the Machine Head album. I always like the Book Of Taliesyn LP with the first vocalist Rod Evans. It was kind of a mystical sounding record with songs like "The Shield".
Rod Evans went on to be the vocalist for the Hard Rock/Prog Rock band Captain Beyond for their first 2 albums..
You also mention the guitarist Tommy Bolin taking over for Ritchie Blackmore when he left Deep Purple. Tommy has been one of my favorite guitarists for many years, and he was a very versatile artist with great, smooth vocals, and of course you should probably know his contributions to Jazz Fusion also.
Working with the excellent drummer Billy Cobham on his Spectrum album, the legendary drummer Alphonse Mouzon on the fantastic Mind Transplant record, and also Tommy's time with the James Gang, for the 2 LP's, Bang and Miami.. both are great records.
Tommy Bolin also played on the first album by the Canadian hard Rock band Moxy in 1975. Though he died at a very young age, mid 20's, he put out a lot of excellent material, including his first 2 solo albums titled Teaser and then Private Eyes, with outstanding cuts like "Wild Dogs", "Marching Powder", "Dreamer", Savannah Woman", and "Post Toastee"..
That's it for now.

Posted by Will N on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 12:41pm


Why Devo should be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame:

For their unique and Total Originality.. here is a short Sample size of that..
4 songs in less than 13 minutes.. Live on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert from 1979..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KfNwtxhuJM

___

Posted by Will N on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 17:21pm


Here's hoping the ceremony scheduled in Cleveland adds more good luck to get them in!

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 17:36pm


RG, Plebian, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Greg F, Shrek, Nick, The Dude, dmg, John R.C., Steve Z, K-Dawg and Follower,

What are your predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 18:01pm


Here are my predictions, Richie.

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Devo
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Carol King
Dionne Warwick

Possible wildcard: Either Rage Against the Machine or New York Dolls.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 18:09pm


What I want now:

Kate Bush
Devo
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Rage Against the Machine

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 19:09pm


RG, Plebian, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Greg F, Shrek, Nick, dmg, John R.C., Steve Z, Ian, Navonte Robertson, K-Dawg and Follower,

What are your predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 19:52pm


Richie,

Here are my predictions:

Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Carole King
Foo Fighters
Devo
If 6: The Go-Go's
If 7: Fela Kuti

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 20:03pm


RG, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Greg F, Shrek, Nick, dmg, John R.C., Steve Z, Ian, Navonte Robertson, K-Dawg and Follower,

What are your predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 21:39pm


Is it bad that this is my criteria when looking at an artist for the Hall of Fame?

IN ORDER BY PRIORITY
0. Are they eligible?
1. Do they play an actual form of rock and just something connected to rock?
2. How successful are they?
3. Did they have an impact on rock or other artists?

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 22:37pm


No, but the second one shouldn't be too big of a factor. Plently of obscure/lesser known acts deserve it. Like Fela! Who outside of Nigeria knows who he is? Several big names in music, that's who!

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 22:55pm


Yes I have been posting fantasy lists most of the time, sorry.

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 03/13/2021 @ 23:36pm


Good write up on deep purple, Ben. I might give some deeper thoughts soon...but I will just say my 2 favorite tunes are some of their heavier ones, "Highway Star" and one of my absolute favorite 70s pre hair band hits that sure sound like heavy metal "Space Truckin"

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 03/14/2021 @ 01:42am


Ah Deep Purple made one of the most iconic riffs in all of music.

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 03/14/2021 @ 01:56am


Plebian,

Good point about Devo.. It does give them an outside chance being Ohio natives. I had overlooked that fact and that should at least give them a slight edge for a few more votes..
___

Posted by Will N on Sunday, 03/14/2021 @ 03:04am


BEN
Deep Purple was definitely an important influence on other hard rock and metal groups. Metallica springs to mind. One of the big 3 with Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin. Honestly, I think Deep Purple is still underrated for their total discography and innovation. I thought they should have been Inducted a decade before. Known as the "Smoke On The Water," band, Deep Purple was so much more. The epic "Child In Time" Ian's high-rising howls shine on a long memorable song. Evans singing on the poppy "Hush" was their early hit and when 1st people got to know Deep Purple. Also, the Classic "Burn" with Coverdale on vocals. What also makes a great or legendary band...Continuing to move rock forward. Blackmore's Rainbow and Coverdale's Whitesnake became important 70's and 80's rock bands in their own right. My belief both groups will be nominated and possibly inducted one day. Throw in the virtuosos Jon Lord on the organ and Ritchie Blackmore on guitar...Deep Purple was easily 1 of the greats. Glover and Paice probably don't receive enough credit for their contributions. If granted 100 wishes, 1 would have to be to bring Tommy Bolin alive again. Bolin had a great guitar sound and was well-respected at a young age. He just was ahead of his time. The Deep Purple in the mid 70's with Bolin, Hughes, Coverdale etc must have been something to see live. I was a big fan of Come Taste The Band. My FAV song from that album is You Keep On Moving. Deep Purple showed their talent reuniting again in the 1980's for Perfect Strangers. Great song! It was a shame Jon Lord died before their Induction. Deep Purple continues to move along although Ritchie Blackmore has long since left the band. Deep Purple was a very deserving RRHOF induction. Musical Excellence, Innovation, Influence. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 03/14/2021 @ 04:27am


Alright guys. This is cool. It looks like The Reviews of old classes are a hit again. Thank you guys for your responses to Deep Purple. I love the albums of their famous peak period. Those are Machine Head,Who Do We Think We Are and Made in Japan. But i do also love the classic tune Burn. with Coverdale on Vocals.
Will N, Thank you for that immediate response. Every Hard Rocker knew Smoke on the Water. It was even played on AM radio. I've known Smoke on the Water since I'm 12 back in the midst of the 70s. Machine Head album had a huge impact in the 70s. I do not know the album Book of Taliesyn album. I know the title well from readings. I only really know Hush and Kentucky Woman with the vocalist Rod Evans. I will seek the Book of Taliesyn out.
You elaborated on the guitarist Tommy Bolin who came after Ritchie Blackmore when he left Deep Purple. Tommy Bolin has been one of your favorite guitarists for many years, I heard he was a very versatile artist and I do know his contributions to Jazz Fusion also. I totally forgot that Tommy Bolin played on the Billy Cobham album Spectrum. I own the Spectrum album. And I don't know Tommy Bolin's other work. I used have a friend who owned everything ever by Tommy Bolin, I don't know Tommy Bolin myself though very well.
King,
Deep Purple should definitely have been inducted about 10 years earlier. Black Sabbath,Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple are the big 3 for Heavy rock in the 70s. Hey Child in Time is an awesome long memorable song. I do also like Blackmore's Rainbow and the band Whitesnake. I will have to check out Come Taste the Band. I remember when I was 19 years old Deep Purple reunited in the 1980s with the Perfect Strangers album. Perfect Strangers is a great awesome song.
Deep Purple was certainly an important influence on other hard rock and Metal bands. 2 that spring to mind are Metallica and Iron Maiden. Also I remember Jon Lord died before their induction. They performed very fine at the 2016 ceremony. They opened that show.
Stay tuned for Steve Miller(Band) and Chicago. Those are 2 other favs of mine.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/14/2021 @ 06:38am


RG, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Greg F, Shrek, Nick, dmg, John R.C., Steve Z, Ian, Navonte Robertson, K-Dawg and Follower,

What are your predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/14/2021 @ 11:43am


richie,
A lot of us have done our predictions for 2021. I have started my Reviews of past classes 2016-2020. Things got slightly more interesting around 2016. Although it has its very sad side the experts on 1950s music were fired or forced into retirement. Soo this made the chances for perhaps the Marvelettes, the Chantels and Five Satins, etc almost impossible.
They were gearing to a slightly younger crowd. At least a crowd too young for the 50s. Chances for 60s acts were retained. They only modernized somewhat In 2016. Acts from the Cars, Chicago, Deep Purple to Janet Jackson. Chaka Khan, Los Lobos, and Nine Inch Nails were nominated.
And while the 2016 inductees were MOSTLY 70s Rock. It was still a modern kind of move. Sorry to interrupt your prediction questions. My old class reviews mix it up a bit.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/14/2021 @ 16:32pm


I will now continue with the 2016 class. Steve Miller was inducted also in 2016. I will always prefer to say the Steve Miller Band. The Hall made a mistake with this.
Steve Miller's career has 2 distinct stages. One is as a top San Francisco blues rocker of the late 60s and one is as a top selling pop/rock act of the mid-late 70s. I grew up with the Steve Miller Band as a huge pop rock act.
In the late 60s the band had the albums Children of the Future and Brave New World. Space Cowboy was played a lot on FM radio. Steve Miller is known primarily though as a 70s act. It makes sense that after the 50s experts were fired that a few key 70s acts of the backlog were inducted. To continue Recall the Beginning: A Journey from Eden wasa release around 1972.One of you guys can tell me if you know it.
Miller took a break after a car accident.
Miller spent his break reinventing himself as a blues-influenced pop/rocker, writing short, melodic, catchy songs. This approach was introduced on his 1973 LP, The Joker, and was an instant success, most of us know the title song hit number one on the pop charts. Now an established star, Miller elected to take three years off. He purchased a farm and built his own recording studio, at which he crafted the hugely successful albums Fly Like an Eagle and Book of Dreams at approximately the same time. Fly Like an Eagle was released in 1976 and eclipsed its predecessor in terms of quality and sales (over four million copies) in spite of the long downtime in between. It also gave Miller his second number one hit with "Rock'n Me," plus several other singles. Book of Dreams was almost as successful, selling over three million copies and producing several hits as well. All of the hits from Miller's first three pop-oriented albums were put on Greatest Hits 1974-1978, which I played so much as a teenager.
Miller again took some time off, not returning until late 1981 with the disappointing Circle of Love. I remember one tune on FM radio called Heart Like a Wheel. Just six months later, Miller rebounded with Abracadabra; the title song was another number one single. The remaining albums released in the '80s -- Italian X Rays,1984; Living in the 20th Century, 1986; and Born 2B Blue, 1988 -- didn't do well. The early '90s saw Miller return to form with Wide River (the title track becoming a Top 40 chart entry) and the release of a retrospective box set compiled by the artist himself. Miller continued to headline shows into the 2000s, sharing the bill with classic rock acts such as 2008 tourmate Joe Cocker.
Some of my favorites from Steve Miller(Band) are Fly Like an Eagle, Wild Mountain Honey, Serenade, Take the Money and Run, Rock 'N Me, Jet Airliner, Winter Time, Swingtown, Sacrifice and Abracadabra.
Steve Miller grabbed headlines a lot with his 2016 induction into the R 'n R Hall of Fame. a ceremony marked by Miller's disagreement into the Hall. He told it like it is. Steve Miller performed the Joker, Fly Like an Eagle and Rock 'N Me. I saw his whole performance on You Tube. I didn't have HBO that year. Ok guys, I know some of you dig the Steve Miller.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/15/2021 @ 06:17am


Great critique, Ben, but you left out one of his best songs: Jungle Love! It's driving me mad, it's makin me crazy...

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 03/15/2021 @ 11:20am


K Dawg,
Yeah that's right. I forgot about Jungle Love. And also the Stake and Keeps Me Wondering Why. It's on the Abracadabra album. I think it was played on Rock Radio a bit in 1982.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/15/2021 @ 11:55am


Here are the top one-hundred more certified bands in America who are not in the Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors Like with the inclusion of albums, standard singles, digital singles, EP's, video albums, and ringtones. Had to recount Maroon 5's total, which couldn't believe the RIAA got that it wrong, but they still sold over 120 million worldwide. And the Jonas Brothers' was even lower than I thought.

Maroon 5- 90 Million

Linkin Park- 63.6 Million

Florida Georgia Line- 53.5 Million
Twenty One Pilots- 51 Million
Alabama- 46.8 Million

Foreigner- 45.5 Million

Panic! At The Disco- 41 Million

The Chicks- 40.8 Million

Coldplay- 37.6 Million

Rascal Flatts- 34.7 Million

Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million

Fall Out Boy- 33 Million

Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million
Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million

Boston- 31 Million

Imagine Dragons- 30 Million

The Carpenters- 29.6 Million

Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million 
Nickelback- 27.8 Million

Motley Crue- 26.8 Million

REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
Creed- 26 Million

3 Doors Down- 25.8 Million

Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
OneRepublic- 24 Million

Sade- 23.5 Million

Kansas- 23 Million

Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million

Dan + Shay- 22.5 Million

The Fray- 22.5 Million
No Doubt- 22.1 Million

Paramore- 22 Million

Fun- 22 Million

Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million

Daughtry- 20 Million

Three Days Grace- 20 Million
Casting Crowns- 18.5 Million

The Monkees- 18 Million
Shinedown- 17.55 Million

Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
Styx- 17.5 Million

Korn- 17.25 Million

Limp Bizkit- 17 Million

Bad Company- 16.65 Million
Disturbed- 16.5 Million

Breaking Benjamin 16.5 Million
Sugarland- 16 Million

INXS- 16 Million

Wings- 16 Million

Poison- 15.750 Million
Toto- 15.5 Million

Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million

Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million

The Offspring- 15 Million

The Cranberries- 15 Million

Foster the People- 15 Million
Evanescence- 15 Million

The Band Perry- 14.5 Million

Duran Duran- 14 Million

Skillet- 14 Million

My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
MercyMe- 13.6 Million
Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million
Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
Counting Crows- 13 Million
Whitesnake- 12.650 Million

The Killers- 12.6 Million

Old Dominion- 12.5 Million
Survivor- 12.5 Million

Blink 182- 12.1 Million

Live- 12 Million

Owl City- 12 Million

Godsmack- 11.6 Million

The Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million

Little Big Town- 11.5 Million

Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million

Savage Garden- 11.5 Million

Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
Scorpions- 11.1 Million

All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
Loverboy- 11 Million

Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
Three Dog Night- 11 Million

X Ambassadors- 11 Million

5 Seconds of Summer- 11 Million
Slipknot- 10.7 Million

Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million

38 Special- 10.5 Million

Florence and the Machine- 10.5 Million

Bush- 10.5 Million

Muse- 10.5 Million

Men at Work- 10.5 Million

The Black Keys- 10.5 Million
The Lumineers- 10.5 Million

Staind - 10.05 Million

Sublime- 10 Million

Clean Bandit- 10 Million

Tool- 9.8 Million

Air Supply- 9.5 Million

Rage Against the Machine- 9.3 Million

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/15/2021 @ 13:03pm


Up Next is Chicago. Another favorite act of mine.They are very deserving of the induction. They are one of the most successful American bands of all time. So why the hell did it take Chicago so long to be Inducted. I Love the early Chicago the best. They started out in 1969 with the release Chicago Transit Authority. It did rather well. But they were soon not allowed to use the name. They shortened it to Chicago. In 1970 they released Chicago II. It did really well. And that was followed by Chicago III. They became a major selling band in the early 70s. I will have much more on Chicago. I just wanted to get started with Chicago. I love their first 10 albums. Those albums hit the spot. They helped define Jazz Rock. I'll have more sooon

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/15/2021 @ 16:52pm


https://outsider.com/news/grammy-awards-2021-early-numbers-show-drastic-drop-in-ratings/?fbclid=IwAR0lBDnqySUMPDfyeAMTJlzvZidEwb5mabuY9iHQVE_KQ0cbufRUPhfXUdg

Grammy Awards 2021: Early Numbers Show Drastic Drop in Ratings

Even the Recording Academy is out of touch to the general public cause they don't listen them, acting like they're not the main part of the demographic but don't realize they are. The Hall of Fame will also suffer from this similarly, especially for ruining the RIGGED kiosk and the RIGGED fan ballot. The masses are sick and tired of the elitists and being told by them how to think, like something, and live their lives. The Motley Crue fans and the DMB fans will make the boycotts even more successful, and despite the lack of mainstream popularity and pure commercial success, I'm expecting the Fela Kuti fanbase to jump on the bandwagon if he gets omitted unfairly. This is why we need mandate inclusions for the number one vote-getters in order to stay relevant.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/15/2021 @ 19:39pm


And I will now continue with Chicago. Chicago III was released in 1971. And there was a good live album released in the early 70s, Live at Carnegie Hall.
Chicago V, released in July 1972, spent nine weeks at number one on its way to selling over two million copies, spurred by its huge Top Ten hit "Saturday in the Park." "Dialogue" is great also. Chicago VI followed a year later and repeated the same success, bringing the Top Ten singles "Feelin' Stronger Every Day" and "Just You 'n' Me."
The next Top Ten hit, "(I've Been) Searchin' So Long," was released in advance of Chicago VII in the late 1974. The album was the band's third consecutive chart-topper and another million-seller. "Call on Me" became its second Top Ten single. Chicago VIII, which marked the promotion of sideman percussionist Laudir de Oliveira as a full-fledged bandmember, appeared in the spring of 1975, spawned the Top Ten hit "Old Days," and became the band's fourth consecutive number one LP. After the profit-taking Chicago IX: Chicago's Greatest Hits in the fall of 1975 came Chicago X, which missed hitting number one but eventually sold over two million copies, in part because of the inclusion of the Huge number one single "If You Leave Me Now." Chicago XI was released in Summer of 1977. One always notices that most of their albums go in number order. I want to say I love Chicago's first 10 albums. But there was trouble beneath the surface. The band's big hits were starting to be only ballads sung by Peter Cetera, They had failed to attract critical notice, and what press attention they were given often was about Guercio's strict control as manager and producer. Chicago were determined to fire Guercio and demonstrate that they could succeed without him. Shortly afterward, they were struck by a crushing blow. Kath, a gun enthusiast, accidentally shot and killed himself on January 23, 1978. Though he, like most of the other members of the band, was not readily recognizable outside the group, he had actually had a large say in its direction, and his loss was valuable. Nevertheless, the band closed ranks and went on.
Chicago went for a new approach around 1981. They found it with David Foster,who returned to an emphasis on the band's talent for power ballads. This is not an interesting period to me. They also brought in one of Foster's favorite session musician's, Bill Champlin. They released Chicago 16 16 featuring the hit Hard for me to Say I'm Sorry.
But Chicago had already made their mark by being a great Jazz rock group. Also the renewed success thrust Peter Cetera out. They continued with album all through the 80s and 90s. There was lots of personnel changes.
Chicago was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2016. Peter Cetera refused to attend. I really thought Chicago for the 2016 Ceremony. But the lack of Peter Cetera ruined that. The headliner is always an act without problems. Chicago performed though without Peter Cetera. They played Does Anybody Really Know What Time it is, Saturday in the Park and 25 or 6 to 4.This concludes Chiago. Alright guys go ahead. I covered Steve Miller and Chicago. I look forward to the responses. I will finish 2016 class soon.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/15/2021 @ 20:08pm


RG, Casper, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Greg F, Shrek, Nick, dmg, John R.C., Steve Z, Ian, Navonte Robertson, K-Dawg and Follower,

What are your predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/15/2021 @ 20:44pm


Turner, King, Z, Foos, Go-Go's, and if there's extras, Rundgren and Fela (Writing off DMB as an accident for now. Besides, it would be bad for the Hall if the Nigerian campaign failed. It would make them look bad.)

Wild Cards/Dark Horses: Devo, Warwick, Rage, LL Cool J.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/15/2021 @ 22:00pm


Forgot one: Kraftwerk Early Influence.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/15/2021 @ 23:26pm


The Dude,

Thanks for the update, but your format needs fixing

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/16/2021 @ 03:43am


That because I copied and pasted it on my phone, maybe if spacing out more could work. Here's another updated list. Let's see that works.

Maroon 5- 90 Million


Linkin Park- 63.6 Million


Florida Georgia Line- 53.5 Million


Twenty One Pilots- 51 Million


Alabama- 46.8 Million


Foreigner- 45.5 Million


Panic! At The Disco- 41 Million


The Chicks- 40.8 Million


Coldplay- 37.6 Million


Rascal Flatts- 34.7 Million


Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million


Fall Out Boy- 33 Million


Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million


Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million


Boston- 31 Million


Imagine Dragons- 30 Million


The Carpenters- 29.6 Million


Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million 


Nickelback- 27.8 Million


Motley Crue- 26.8 Million


REO Speedwagon- 26 Million


Creed- 26 Million


3 Doors Down- 25.8 Million


Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million

Train- 25 Million 


OneRepublic- 24 Million


Sade- 23.5 Million


Kansas- 23 Million


Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million


Dan + Shay- 22.5 Million


The Fray- 22.5 Million

No Doubt- 22.1 Million


Paramore- 22 Million


Fun- 22 Million


Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million


Daughtry- 20 Million


Three Days Grace- 20 Million


Casting Crowns- 18.5 Million


The Monkees- 18 Million


Shinedown- 17.55 Million


Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million


Styx- 17.5 Million


Korn- 17.25 Million


Limp Bizkit- 17 Million


Bad Company- 16.65 Million


Disturbed- 16.5 Million


Breaking Benjamin 16.5 Million


Sugarland- 16 Million


INXS- 16 Million


Wings- 16 Million


Poison- 15.750 Million


Toto- 15.5 Million


Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million


Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million


The Offspring- 15 Million


The Cranberries- 15 Million


Foster the People- 15 Million


Evanescence- 15 Million


The Band Perry- 14.5 Million


Duran Duran- 14 Million


Skillet- 14 Million


My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million

MercyMe- 13.6 Million

Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million

Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million

Counting Crows- 13 Million

Whitesnake- 12.650 Million


The Killers- 12.6 Million


Old Dominion- 12.5 Million


Survivor- 12.5 Million


Blink 182- 12.1 Million


Live- 12 Million


Owl City- 12 Million


Godsmack- 11.6 Million


The Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million


Little Big Town- 11.5 Million


Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million


Savage Garden- 11.5 Million


Judas Priest- 11.1 Million


Scorpions- 11.1 Million


All American Rejects- 11.1 Million


Loverboy- 11 Million


Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million


Three Dog Night- 11 Million


X Ambassadors- 11 Million


5 Seconds of Summer- 11 Million


Slipknot- 10.7 Million


Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million


38 Special- 10.5 Million


Florence & the Machine- 10.5 Million


Bush- 10.5 Million


Muse- 10.5 Million


Men at Work- 10.5 Million


The Black Keys- 10.5 Million

The Lumineers- 10.5 Million


Staind-10.05 Million


Sublime- 10 Million


Clean Bandit- 10 Million


Tool- 9.8 Million


Air Supply- 9.5 Million

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/16/2021 @ 07:21am


RG, Casper, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Greg F, Shrek, Nick, dmg, John R.C., Steve Z, Ian, Navonte Robertson and K-Dawg,

What are your predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/16/2021 @ 10:19am


Casper,

I respect your brutally honest opinions, but it got me thinking on two things:

1. What makes Jay-Z 'the corporate sellout to the max?' Isn't that a norm in the music industry? Don't we have some HoFs that done shameless stuff like him? (Lou Reed, Michael Jackson, etc.) What musician hasn't done it for the money? Didn't Shawn have an album called 4:44 not long ago that got some attention? That album showing he had not lost his touch?

2. Maybe I'm too bias, but don't the Foo Fighters have two other acclaimed albums as the first? That being The Color and the Shape (1997) and Wasted Light (2011)? Aren't those great if not better than the debut? Again, probably being bias, but still.

Other than that, your brutally honest thoughts have been splendid and give a reality check for those that don't think hard enough on their favorite artists.
Please understand :)

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 03/16/2021 @ 11:09am


Well. Might be the most disingenuous list ever from the nominating committee. Jay-Z, no problem, highly successful, reasonably influential, and presuming rap/hip-hop belongs in the Hall (i have no problem with it), then he is a lock. Tina, again, no issue. She is way ahead of Stevie Nicks, and should have been first woman inducted twice. For a fun exercise, compare Stevie to Don Henley, and tell me why the former is in and the latter will almost certainly never get in as a solo artist. But it goes down hill after that. Carole King? Are we now going to dual-induct every artist that is successful in both the performer and writer categories. If so then Dylan should be first, and by a long shot. This is just pandering to the notion that more women are needed in the Hall. OK, but you chose the wrong ones. You want a 70's singer songwriter, take Carly Simon. I am aware of the school of thought that suggests that Carole King had two separate careers, but so what. She was a recording artist from the start, just not successful. Randy Newman had same trajectory, and to an extent so did Dylan. It is a bad precedent. Besides, her recording accomplishments were acknowledged in her induction as a writer, and (I think) on the plaque in the Hall.

Posted by Souljah on Tuesday, 03/16/2021 @ 13:53pm


The group that headlined the 2016 class was Cheap Trick. I like Cheap Trick they are Ok. They were inducted and were the last act to perform. They did the All star Jam. I think they headlined out of default. The other 3 Rock acts some kind of issue. Deep Purple had problems with some band members showing up. Chicago had huge disagreements with Peter Cetera. Cetera refused to show up. A full Chicago reunion with Cetera would have made them the headliner.
And so the closing act, which is known as the headliner became Cheap Trick. If you look at the long history of the Hall. I think it's always an act with no issues. And yeah NWA didn't want to perform. I don't know NWA.
They are an American band formed in the early 70s. The band achieved mainstream popularity in the United States in 1979 with the big album Cheap Trick Live at Budokan. They have had some resurgences in popularity, They are deserving of induction in the Hall. But 2016 may have been a bit soon due to all the backlog. There is a slew of other acts that missed their chance due to the Cheap Trick induction. But Cheap Trick deserve induction.
Cheap Trick's concerts were recorded for possible release, although the live album didn't appear until the band's third album, 1978's Heaven Tonight. That third album captured both the loud, raucous energy of the band and songs with hooks. leading to their first hit,, "Surrender.. However, the live performances on At Budokan (1979) captured the band's energetic, amazing live show, resulting in their commercial breakthrough in America. The album stayed on the charts for over a year, peaking at number four. Meanwhile, a live version of "I Want You to Want Me" became their first Top Ten hit. I remember that well. I was 14. Later that year, the group released their fourth studio album, Dream Police, which followed the same stylistic approach. It also followed At Budokan as a Top Ten album, selling over a million copies and launching the Top 40 hit singles "Voices" and "Dream Police." In the summer of 1980, the group released an EP of tracks recorded between 1976-1979 called Found All the Parts.
They had other albums after like All Shook Up in 1980, produced by George Martin and One on One in 1982. I only know these albums vaguely by title. The group entered a commercial slide.
in 1988 Cheap Trick began work on a new record with the help of several professional songwriters. The resulting effort, Lap of Luxury, was a platinum Top 20 album featuring the number one power ballad "The Flame" and a Top Ten version of Elvis Presley's "Don't Be Cruel." Busted, released in 1990, wasn't as successful as Lap of Luxury, peaking at number 48 and effectively putting an end to the group's commercial
comeback.
Cheap Trick soldiered into the 90s. In 1994 they released Woke Up with a Monster. I have no idea about this album or the ones after. Some of my favorites from Cheap Trick are Hello There, Ain't that a Shame, Surrender, I Want You to Want Me, Tonight It's You and the Flame. Hey I love some power ballads of the 80s.
Cheap Trick were inducted into the Hall in 2016 and like I said ended up headlining. They played Surrender and I want You to Want me which was followed by the Alll Star Jam of Ain't That a Shame. But the Hall cut to a Flashback performance of Prince as a tribute after the death of Prince. And that's the 2016 ceremony. Ok. I hope for your responses. Someone can review NWA. I don't know them. I end with Cheap Trick for the 2016 ceremony. Cheap Trick were the headliner. Let me from you guys.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/16/2021 @ 13:55pm


To add to comments on Carole King, this means that Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Randy Newman, Gibb Brothers and Neil Diamond all belong. And who knows who else.

Consideration of the five other female acts:

Chaka Khan -- Great choice, but Rufus belongs with her. Similar to Parliament(s)/Funkadelic, or Faces/Small Faces, or (hopefully someday) Joy Division/New Order.

Dionne Warwick -- Really? This is the best we can do? Connie Francis is a better choice, or if you want your pop with a little more soul then Patti LaBelle is a better choice. And LaBelle could rock!

Kate Bush -- Interesting choice. Critic favorite, and commercially quite successful in England. Seems a bit like Lou Reed or Patti Smith, everyone has heard of them, but they can be an acquired taste.

Go-Go's -- Fanny would be a better choice, they were there first. And they were better musicians (Caffey and Schock were quite good in all fairness)

Mary J. Blige -- Certainly qualified, but again they got the wrong one, should have been Missy Elliot first. Misdemeanor on the part of the committee. And Salt-and-Pepa should go in ahead of both of them.

No idea why Pat Benatar, Melissa Etheridge, Patti LaBelle and Shangri-Las (as qualified as Ronettes) don't seem to get much traction.
Oh well, diversity of opinions provide color to life's rich pageantry!

Posted by Souljah on Tuesday, 03/16/2021 @ 14:18pm


I still want to see if Philip still holds the "Dionne Warwick is Barbra Streisand but black" opinion.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/16/2021 @ 19:17pm


Dionne Should be more easier to induct than Barbra cause R&B acts from the 60's and 70's are more closer to sound like some of the pioneers of Rock & Roll like Little Richard and Chuck Berry. That's how Nina Simone made it as a voting body winner in 2018.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/16/2021 @ 21:12pm


My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

Devo - Classic Alternative has had some success lately with Roxy Music, The Cure and Depeche Mode all getting in, so Devo might benefit from that and plus the ceremony's back in Cleveland this year and they're from Ohio, so it might help them to get in this year, However, they still might be seen as too much of a novelty act by the voting body, so they might not get in this year, Still, I see them as a Dark Horse.
Iron Maiden - They really truly deserve to be in and they have virtually no competition when it comes to Classic Rock/Hard Rock/Metal on this year's ballot, but Metal has been a tough sell for the voting body with Black Sabbath taking 8 nominations to get in and Judas Priest, Motorhead and Thin Lizzy all missing out on induction the last few years, so Maiden might not get in this year, but still, I see them as a Dark Horse.
LL Cool J - If there was ever a time that we see two Rap/Hip-Hop acts get in in the same year, It's this year with Jay-Z and LL, LL has been nominated 6 times now and he might benefit from Jay-Z being a virtual lock this year, so I see him as a Dark Horse.
New York Dolls - Glam Rock has been on a roll the past two years with the inductions of Roxy Music and T. Rex, so New York Dolls might benefit from that, plus it's their first time on the ballot in 20 years (they were nominated for the 2001 class) and also the recent death of guitarist Sylvain Sylvain and the upcoming Showtime documentary about David Johansen might help them as well, However, they're also Proto-punk and MC5 have failed five times now, so they might not get in this year, Still, I see them as a Dark Horse.
Dionne Warwick - She's got friends in high places and she's having a moment right now with her Twitter account and SNL skits, so she might benefit from that, plus the induction of her cousin Whitney Houston last year and the fact that the voters love the 60's might help her as well, However, she might be seen as too Adult Contemporary/Easy Listening by the voting committee, so she might not get in this year, Still, I see her as a Dark Horse.

Those are the acts that I see as Wild Cards/Dark Horses this year.

I think that Fela Kuti will end up like Dave Matthews Band and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following DMB last year, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/16/2021 @ 23:13pm


The Dude,

It's mostly since Dionne has so many friends within the R&B (and by extension, rock and roll) circuit. Not that Streisand doesn't (Neil Diamond) but Dionne simply has more to do with Rock and Roll. I believe Philip was refering to her music as no different from Streisand, who obviously isn't rock and roll.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 01:51am


Will N., King, K-Dawg, Nick and anyone else,
I look forward to your responses on the 2016 class. A few of you responded to Deep Purple. That gets things going. So How about Steve Miller, Chicago and Cheap Trick. Also N.W.A. I know very little about them. I don't rap too well. I'm leaving N.W.A. to others if they choose. I know a lot about Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Chicago and somewhat know about Cheap Trick. 2016 was a very good class.
What are your thoughts on the 2016 class?

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 05:30am


I'll drop some thoughts additionally on the class soon. I will cover NWA, and what they mean to me (I am a huge fan of Dr. Dre and Ice Cube), but in short it was a great moment for the RRHOF to acknowledge a genre that had to bite and claw its way to legitimacy and acceptance, while being a voice for social change in a challenging era.

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 06:35am


Let's see....

Chicago had a lot of merit and a two act career from the 60's to the 80's. Lots of hits, and good musicians too.
Deep Purple also had great musicians, but weren't as successful. Then again, few bands were. I'm sure the Hall could get Blackmore (or even Coverdale) inducted again if they wanted to.
Cheap Trick is fun. Simple as that. I can't really say it's the stuff of legends, though.
Steve Miller also made a lot of good music, and Greatest Hits 1974-1978 should be in any record collection.
NWA...I'm not a rap guy, but I do respect them. Musically of course, they're pretty awful people but then again most Hall of Famers that aren't Dave Grohl or Bobby Darin are.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 11:59am


Follower,
That's a cool response there. You covered them all. I own stuff from the 4 rock groups. I'm a blank on NWA. That's because I'm not a Rap guy. I heard that they are not nice people. Now I do know some stuff about Public Enemy and Tupac Shakur. I know them enough to detail them. NOT NWA. I just know the name. What can I say I only .
know certain Rap acts. That happens when you're not a fan of genre.
Now like you said Chicago were a 2 act career. I prefer the first act of the career. Certainly great musicians.
And what you said for the other acts follows. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 12:34pm


Lol Tina Turner took back first place again this is getting hilarious. I've have not been this entertained from a fan vote in awhile. Another thing Iron Maiden is now in 3rd place. Could they pull a serious upset?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 14:26pm


Maiden trails the other two by an insurmountable vote count. Also, The Go-Gos are inevitably going to finish in third place. They've been slowly (and I mean SLOWLY) narrowing the gap with the two artists directly in front of them.

The two big questions that still remain:

1) Does Fela finish 1st? (And if he does, shouldn't he automatically earn at least a backdoor ME induction?)

2) Can Carole King break into the top five? It would certainly require a fan campaign. As it stands, she went from trailing the would-be fifth place artist (Iron Maiden) by ~15,000 votes and is now trailing the would-be fifth place artist (Foo Fighters) by ~20,000. Prognosis doesn't look good.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 14:34pm


In the last 24 hours...

Fela
Tina
Fela
Tina
Fela
Tina

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 15:01pm


If the last Grammy ceremony failed commercially with only seven million views for the incompetent moves that the masses don't want, then the next Rock Hall will failed even more than last year's Induction Special with only fifty views for ruining the RIGGED kiosk and the RIGGED fan ballot. Greg Harris really needs to be fired for not adding Motley Crue and Dave Matthews Band as mandate inclusion cause he ruined the popularity system.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 15:14pm


I heard someone say someone won't get in because their song was inducted. So does this mean Steppenwolf won't be inducted?

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 15:41pm


@ Garrus

The singles category is a joke, proving why we need a two-night ceremony for bigger classes yearly. If Little Steven is so desperate for his favorites to get a nod in some way, then he needs to listen to his consumers by abolishing it.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 15:48pm


Will N,.
I would love to see what you have to Say about Steve Miller(Band) and Chicago. I can see you jamming with albums from both. Fly Like an Eagle and Book of Dreams are great albums. They are rather good. And Chicago I feel could do no wrong with the first 10 albums. On Chicago there is the Make me Smile suite as may call it. Also Fancy Colours. On Chicago VII there is great tracks like Prelude to Aire, Aire and Devil's Sweet. These are all seem like tunes you know well. I know Chicago beyond the hits. I would say you do too. I've been into Chicago since I'm 9. I started with the hits like Feeling Stronger Everyday and Wishing You Were Here and went to their terrific deep cuts. I'm just sparking conversation on Steve Miller and especially Chicago. . I'm giving people time to catch up on 2016 class. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 20:07pm


Hey Ben,

I read your pieces on Steve Miller Band, Cheap Trick and Chicago.. I will try to post a response tomorrow. Sorry for delay.. I'm a bit caught up in a new work schedule, so still adjusting to a degree. Will get back to you.. Thanks.

Posted by Will N on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 20:43pm


Why do we keep saying Jay-Z is 90s? He started in the 90s sure, but he is more associated with the 2000s.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 21:16pm


Cause the 90's never went away culturally in the early 2000's, which makes them as bridge between before that and the 2010's. Also the 90's and early 2000's are both considered as the Generation X era.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 21:37pm


The 90's didn't end until 2004.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 22:24pm


I thought the 2000s officially started after 9/11? Yeah some stuff seemed out of the 90s, but I feel there is distinctive culture difference between the 90s and 00s. So would Eminem be considered 90s? He started in '96, yet is often associated as one of, if not the biggest music act of the 2000s.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 22:49pm


https://youtu.be/3YxgGe2G2uM

@ Plebian and Follower

Jay-Z is one those names that extended the 90's into 2000's both musically and culturally along with Linkin Park who collaborated with him for mashing up their songs together for the Collusion Course EP. Here's a link to the full experience on YouTube for those who had never heard it entirely. Aerosmith and Run DMC may invented mash-up music, but both Jay and LP popularized it, influencing their fans to make their own samples of two (and occasionally three) songs together into one and upload it on YouTube.

"Numb/Encore" won Grammy for "Best Rap/Sung" collaboration in 06, which was the same year they played the mash-up version of those songs along with Sir Paul McCartney as a surprised appearance with a duet of "Yesterday."

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 22:57pm


I remember that! I didn't see it live, but I do remember watching the performance elsewhere.

And since I said the 90's didn't end until 2004, that was around the time Eminem released Encore, and since then his output has been inconsistent according to many rap fans. But he's nearly always been relevant in some way.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 23:30pm


Just went to vote. Tina's in the lead. The gap between Foo Fighters and Iron Maiden is double digits. Triple digits between Iron Maiden and The Go-Go's.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/17/2021 @ 23:45pm


I swear if Iron Maiden does not get in, then the heavy metal genre is hopeless for any chance with the Hall. As I stated, they have more notability than Motörhead and have more critical love than Judas Priest. Another thing is that Iron Maiden right now is the highest heavy metal act to chart the fan vote (Priest was always in 5th).

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 03/18/2021 @ 00:37am


3 weeks left until we learn who gets in.

WHOM I WANT
Kate Bush
Devo
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren

WHOM I PREDICT
Mary J. Blige
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
New York Dolls
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner
LL Cool J

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 03/18/2021 @ 01:19am


@ Plebian

Don't expect Maiden to get in this year. Almost all of the living nominated members didn't react, making their nomination very PREMATURE. What the Nom Com shoulda done is listen to their consumers first by including bands like Motley Crue (they need to be a mandate inclusion and no more sorry ass PC excuses. Get woke, go broke.), Boston, Foreigner, and Jethro Tull to ensure the votes are there for bands like Maiden, Priest, and Motörhead. It would also give them more time for some of the members to change their minds about the Hall, which worked for Def Leppard, NIN and other inducted bands.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 03/18/2021 @ 09:34am


How many of the top 5 acts in the fan vote this year (Fela Kuti, Tina Turner, Iron Maiden, Foo Fighters and The Go-Go's) do you think will get in this year?. I know that only one of the top five acts from last year's fan vote made it last year (The Doobie Brothers) but do you guys see it happening again this year with only one of the top five acts from this year's fan vote (most likely Tina Turner) making it this year just like last year?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/18/2021 @ 11:46am


It shouldn't be like "Do you want to be inducted?". That's really absurd and makes it less of an honor or award show.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 03/18/2021 @ 15:44pm


How many of the top five acts in this year's fan vote (Fela Kuti, Tina Turner, Iron Maiden, Foo Fighters and The Go-Go's) do you guys think will get in this year?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/18/2021 @ 22:04pm


2 or 3. Maybe 4, but not all 5.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 03/18/2021 @ 22:24pm


I'm sticking with my original prediction. 7 solo inductees. No bands.

1. Carole King
2. Tina Turner
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Todd Rundgren
5. Chaka Khan
6. Fela Kuti
7. Jay-Z

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 03:04am


I do want to mention also with acts in the 2016 class. I love Chicago a lot. My favorite stuff of theirs is the first 10 albums, They certainly have a long career.. Their popularity spans from 1969-1989. That's what I would say. I like certain songs after the first 10 albums. It's mostly hits that I know after the first 10. I never bought their albums after Chicago X. But I don't mind Baby What a Big Surprise, Alive Again and even Hard to Say I'm Sorry. Any Chicago I like is with Peter Cetera. But albums I jam with from Chicago are ones like Chicago VI and Chicago VII. That's as far as Chicago.
Cheap Trick is a fun band, I was never a huge fan of Cheap Trick. They could have waited on nominating Cheap Trick. Then that slot could have gone to Yes, the Moody Blues(who I know were not nominated in 2016) or perhaps the Spinners. But since Cheap Trick were nominated and then the voters got them inducted easily. And on top of that they headlined because of problems the other acts all had. Chicago would have been the better choice as a headliner. 25 or 6 to 4 could easily have been an All Star jam. But Peter Cetera gave Chicago a big problem for the ceremony and soo the Cheap Trick became the headliner. I think that's what happened.
Ain't That a Shame was a fine all star Jam. All the 2016 Rock acts joined in for that. But it also happened to be at a time when Prince passed away. The Hall cut to the amazing While My Guitar Gently Weeps jam with Prince in 2004. I think 2016 was a darn good class. I will wait until next week for 2017 class. I just wanted to throw this post in to keep the momentum for my Past class series. OK guys, Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 04:55am


Ben,

Regarding the 2016 class of inductees, I will also say that from that group, Chicago is probably my favorite artist, followed closely by Deep Purple, then Steve Miller and Cheap Trick. I still happen to believe that the induction of N.W.A. was completely unwarranted, undeserved and a huge mistake that the Rock Hall will certainly regret years later.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 05:44am


Enig,
I thought you may pop up somewhere with my revival of the Old class series. Chicago leaned towards Jazz and Prog in their first 10 albums. The tunes on Chicago VI and VII are terrific. Tunes like Hollywood, Aire and Devil's Sweet. I think these got FM airplay. They are my favorite artist in this 2016 class. They are also followed closely by Deep Purple.
I don't know if I would say NWA was unwarranted I do not know them at all. But could have been a slot for Yes. If the Hall didn't want a 5th Rock the Spinners would have been perfect.
I think both Yes and the Spinners got close. Certainly NWA could have waited many years after Yes, the Moody Blues, the Spinners, Tina Turner, the Commodores and many others were inducted. The poor Spinners missed a good chance. There is only one original member left alive.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 06:55am


Enig,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on NWA. I'm not really a fan but their impact on the evolution of hip hop and beyond is immeasurable. When Straight Outta Compton came out it was like a bomb dropped on the musical landscape. It landed around the same time as Public Enemy's "It Takes a Nation of Millions..." and those two albums were a radical departure from most of the rap that was out previously. They incorporated a level of openness about social and political issues into their music that hadn't really been done before in rap, and came from a perspective that was rarely seen, at least not since the 1960s. Yes, NWA could be vulgar and definitely objectified women, but beyond that they set the template that for what was to come over the next 30 years and beyond in hip hop.

Sometimes you have to remove your fandom from your assessment of an act and evaluate them on the merits of their creations. There's quite a few acts that I can't stand that I still believe absolutely belong in the Hall, and even more acts that I love that should never even sniff induction.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 11:33am


NWA was groundbreaking. They are contemporaries to Public Enemy to be sure. However, they dared go into a direction not previously seen with a genre. You might recall the group 2 Live Crew and their subsequent battles with the law over lyrics and objectification, among other things. Reminiscent of Jim Morrison and the Doors, it was the government, authority, whatever you want to call it, acting out against different and new ideas. NWA did the same thing, but at the same time it connected with millions of young people. Their impact, and the legacy of Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, and all of their proteges has become so entangled with the music scene and the world that everyone knows who they are. The only real argument that's ever come up is whether rap belongs in the Hall, and there has been ample proof that it is just as much a derivative of early rock and roll as rock, metal or pop music. Not the write up I wanted to have on them, but an explanation of why I think they, and several other "gangsta" rap groups, are more than deserving of enshrinement

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 12:01pm


Here's my review & ratings on the Class of 2016.

Cheap Trick - 6/10

They're were one of the most popular bands of the 1970s, their live album at Budokan made them a household name & they influenced countless of alternative bands that followed. So glad that they got in.

Chicago - 5/10

They sold a lot & have a lot of hits but I can't ranked them higher because they don't have enough critical acclaim, influence & innovation but they have Terry Kath one of the most underrated but influential guitarists of all time even Jimi Hendrix said that he's better than him. So good for them

Deep Purple - 8/10

They were one of the most important bands in terms of influence, innovation, cultural impact & groundbreaking success although they were critically favoured. They along with Black Sabbath & Led Zeppelin were the founding fathers of Hard Rock & Heavy Metal back in the 70s. They were one of the few bands that paired up with a Full Symphony orchestra & their albums like I'm Rock & Machine Head have them music legends. So excellent on them.

Steve Miller - 5/10

A borderline act that has number of hits during the 70s & early 80s but he's somewhat a unique guitarist & has some critical acclaim & his sales are good so congrats to him.

N.W.A - 9/10

They were the pioneers of Gangsta rap & they were culture icons to society, they have been a influence on the West Coast & have critically acclaimed & groundbreaking album Straight Outta Compton & have inspired a lot of artists that followed throughout the years. So they definitely deserves it.

I'm not going to rank Bert Berns because he's not a performer so that's all for now.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 13:46pm


This class was alright, but I understand why this one is second-to-last place in terms of ranking previous classes. Very Classic Rock radio heavy with a token black group.

I rank them like this:
N.W.A.
Deep Purple
Cheap Trick
Chicago
Steve Miller

Bert Burns does not count as he was inducted as a non-performer.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 14:19pm


Enig,

Add to the factor on that N.W.A. got in for being previous nominated 3 times and a movie about them that help resurge their popularity. Yeah, they were vulgar, but honestly you got to remember where they came from and why they thought that way back then.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 14:27pm


I guess my own fantasy Hall is probably a lot better than the real one, despite having gone well overboard. I have 872 inductees over numerous genres.

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 15:19pm


RG, Casper, Will N., Michael W, Greg F, Shrek, John R.C., Steve Z, Ian and K-Dawg,

What are your predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 16:31pm


K-Dawg
Some interesting comments on the 2016 Class. You detailed NWA like you wanted. I'll take your word that they were groundbreaking. I'm NOT a big Rap guy . For some reason. I know Public Enemy better. I own a couple tunes from Public Enemy. I simply left NWA details to others. I don't really take the full ENIG view of NWA. But just don't know then at all. I've been a huge Rock fan for 45 years. Hey it happens.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 19:00pm


Writer and advocate for more women in the Rock Hall Evelyn McDonnell returns to the show to discuss first-time nominees and groundbreaking all-female rock group The Go-Go's. Joe & Kristen also help Evelyn fill out her official Rock Hall ballot! This show is part of Pantheon Podcasts.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/who-cares-about-the-rock-hall/id1372323455?i=1000513619096

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ip3zOZ6xtXVctwfHsdg1r

Evelyn McDonnell's ballot

Carole King
Tina Turner
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti
The Go-Go's

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/19/2021 @ 19:21pm


I do ask this though as far as other genres other than rock getting inducted. The Hall includes Rap music for induction. That's fine. I assume we can include some influential Jazz masters for induction in the future for Induction like John Coltrane and Herbie Hancock. I advocate for some other Jazz masters to be inducted. This did already happen with Miles Davis in 2006. So it's very possible I'd say a couple more Jazz artists can be inducted. Just wanted to mention that.
As far as NWA. I guess it's fine. But couldn't they have waited a few extra years and get the Spinners or Tina Turner inducted at that time in 2016. I've always wanted to see the Spinners get inducted. Hey at least the Spinners also shows diversity and it proves I'm not an extreme Rockist. I can see where people may think that with top favs of mine like The Who, E Clapton, Allman Brothers B, Pink Floyd, Chicago, etc. But I also dig acts like the Spinners, the Commodores and Bill Withers.
I like the reviews by Navonte. But I think Chicago had a lot of critical acclaim in their early years back in the early 70s. Navonte may have ranked Chicago kind of low because of the later stuff like You're the Inspiration. But Chicago were not inducted due to tunes like that. The 70s stuff is what made Chicago important. But they continued to be huge all through the 80s.
Just some thoughts on the responses. This is cool. I'm looking forward to hearing from Will N. I know he has a new hectic work schedule. But I'm sure we'll get responses from Will when he has the chance. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/20/2021 @ 03:51am


Plebian,

Even so, my problem with N.W.A. is chiefly due to Dr. Dre's alleged assault of Dee Barnes and numerous other women. He should not be a billionaire, he should be in prison for the rest of his natural born life, in my honest opinion. Plus unlike Public Enemy, N.W.A. incites violence! That is why they did not deserve induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, under any circumstances whatsoever.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 03/20/2021 @ 15:14pm


Cheap Trick strength is its consistent greatness and longevity. A strong Midwestern work ethic and mostly a stable lineup of 40+ years. Robin Zander is 1 of my FAV vocalists. I would say he and the group are still underrated. He has a high-reaching soaring tenor that can be seen in Ghost Town and The Flame. With his blond mane and good looks, he is the perfect frontman. For some reason, he is never mentioned with the great rock vocalists of the era. Mick Jagger, Paul Rodgers, Steve Perry, Lou Gramm, etc. That's a shame. Rick Nielsen is a solid and great guitar player. Again, he is never mentioned with any of the guitar legends. My FAV Cheap Trick songs are Don't Be Cruel, Dream Police, Surrender, Ghost Town, The Flame etc. Cheap Trick is Cheap Trick. What you see is what you get. I think the band doesn't take themselves too seriously. Solid power pop and rock songs. They have excellent concert performances and don't need these extravagant stage shows or gimmicks. Maybe, that hurts people's perception of them. They seem to be cool and have fun on stage. Nielsen seems like a real jokester and character. They were inducted for their Influence on later bands similar to The Cars. Also, a solid career and a few big hit songs like Surrender and The Flame. I think they were worthy of Induction although you could argue some bands could have been Inducted before them.
Steve Miller is a KING FAV. Excellent vocalist and guitarist. I think half of America owns Steve Miller Greatest Hits. He's mostly remembered for his 1970's and 1980's hit songs. My FAVS are Abracadabra, Fly Like An Eagle, Take The Money And Run, Rockin' Me, Winter Time, etc. Just a winning sound and formula. I like others believed the rest of the band should have been inducted with Steve. I'm glad Steve spoke about some of the shortcomings of the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. It seemed to cause some positive change and discussion. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 03/20/2021 @ 17:25pm


My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/20/2021 @ 20:18pm


Ben,

Here is my overall assessment of the class of 2016:

Cheap Trick- 7- 7.5/10 (they get docked 1 point for their mistreatment of Bun E. Carlos) (very good) B

Chicago - 8.5- 9.25/10 (later to earlier) (very good to excellent) A-

Deep Purple- 9- 9.5/10 (later to earlier) (great to superlative) A

Steve Miller- 7.5/10 (remarkably consistent throughout all eras) (very good) B

N.W.A. 0-0.5/10 (self-explanatory- violent, homophobic, racist and misogynistic, should never have been inducted)! (atrocious) F-

How do they compare to earlier inductees?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 10:03am


The Go-Go's have moved into fourth place in the fan vote.

[url]https://vote.rockhall.com/results/[/url]

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 10:18am


For those who love movies and music, I have compiled a list of movies that are about fellow HoFs that are in the Hall currently. Documentaries will not count on the list.

Ray (Ray Charles)
The U.S. vs Billie Holliday (Billy Holliday)
Walk The Line (Johnny Cash)
Nowhere Boy (John Lennon)
Straight Outta Compton (N.W.A.)
Ma Rainey's Black Bottom (Ma Rainey)
What's Love Got To Do With It? (Ike and Tina Turner)
The Buddy Holly Story (Buddy Holly)
La Bamba (Ritchie Valens)
Love and Mercy (Brian Wilson)
Get On Up (James Brown)
I'm Not There (Bob Dylan)
All Eyez On Me (2Pac)
Notorious (Biggie Smalls)
Great Balls of Fire (Jerry Lee Lewis)
Nina (Nina Simone)
Jimi: By My Side (Jimi Hendrix)
The Doors (Jim Morrison)
Miles Ahead (Miles Davis)
Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen)
Stardust (David Bowie)
Rocketman (Elton John)
Jersey Boys (The Four Seasons)
Respect (Aretha Franklin)
Sid and Nancy (Sid Vicious)


Feel free to add any more to the list of recommendations!

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 12:18pm


Here's another movie about a fellow Rock & Roll Hall of Famer:

Lennon Naked (John Lennon) (2010)

Posted by Johnny on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 12:57pm


There was a biopic movie about Def Leppard on VH1 (which Joe Elliot hated it).

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 14:06pm


More to add to the list:

I Saw The Light (Hank Williams)
Bound for Glory (Woody Guthrie)
One Night In Miami (Sam Cooke in a technicality)
Beyond the Sea (Bobby Darin)
Cadillac Records (Muddy Waters, Etta James, Leonard Chess, Little Walter, Mick Jagger, Alan Freed, Keith Richards, Willie Dixon, and Howlin' Wolf)
The Runaways (Contains Joan Jett, but The Runaways are yet to be inducted)

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 14:50pm


Ben,

Here is my overall assessment of the class of 2016:

Cheap Trick- 8- 8.25/10 (they get docked 0.75 points for their mistreatment of Bun E. Carlos) (otherwise, they are very good) B+

Chicago - 8.5- 9.25/10 (later to earlier) (very good to excellent) A-

Deep Purple- 9- 9.5/10 (later to earlier) (great to superlative) A

Steve Miller- 8/10 (remarkably consistent throughout all eras) (very good) B+

N.W.A. 0-0.5/10 (self-explanatory- violent, homophobic, racist and misogynistic, should never have been inducted)! (atrocious) F-

So, how do they compare to earlier inductees and later inductees?

Opinions, please!

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 16:00pm


Enig,
Heyy I will give my Overall assessment of the 2016 class also:
Cheap Trick- 8/10. They are a good fun band B
Chicago- Legendary and famous band.
(Very good to Excellent) A-
Deep Purple- 9.5/10(Great to Super) A
Steve Miller-8/10(Yes remarkably consistent throughout all eras)(very good)B+
N.W.A.-4/10(violent but they are revolutionary). They are important to Gangsta rap, should have been inducted later on)(Not too good)C

As a Rock fan I agree with your assessment of the 4 Rock acts.
I don't know N.W.A. at all Really. I think I heard one song once. I'm not as harsh on them as you. I give them a C. They seem mediocre. But they also seem important even though I don't like them. I don't like violent Rap.
I think this class in general has inductees just as good as earlier inductees overall.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 18:24pm


Fan vote is at its halfway point! Curent top 5 is Fela, Tina Turner, Iron Maiden, The Go-Go's and the Foo Fighters.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 21:44pm


My prediction of who will be inducted:

*The Go-Go's
*Jay-Z
*Carole King
*Fela Kuti
*Tina Turner
*Dionne Warwick

(Iron Maiden and the Foo Fighters if there's seven)

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 21:44pm


Re: 2016 Induction Class

IMO, the 2016 class is my second least favorite induction year of all time (the title for least favorite goes to 2018). Filling every slot with classic rock bands who are, at best, b-level tier just doesn't make it very exciting.

The only inductees I like from that year are Cheap Trick (because they were different from their fellow Classic Rock inductees) and N.W.A. (who is one of two interesting artists inducted that year).

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 21:49pm


What about 2011? That's a class full of critic's pets (and Alice Cooper and Neil Diamond).

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 21:56pm


John R.C.,

I really hope that you're wrong about Fela Kuti getting inducted this year, I really hope that he gets passed over, I think that he will become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band last year, It'll be the same thing that we saw last year with DMB that the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted for the second year in a row, I think that if he gets in this year, it will be either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 22:05pm


Greg F,

What are your predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/21/2021 @ 23:01pm


@Richie

I don't want this to sound harsh, but I'm getting tired of the rehash of you believing that Fela Kuti is the most undeserving artist of all time. After we provided you evidence on why he's very important and why he's deserving for not just induction, but also deserves to be in the Performers category.

Fela Kuti is important. And he's going to be inducted (in some form) whether you like it or not.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 03/22/2021 @ 00:10am


Follower,
Ok. Welll I did 2011 last year in the old class series. You may have missed it or forgot. This series was massive last year. I made it to 2015 or 2016. I did 2016 to kind of rev so. Some of the guys wanted me to continue. It's Chronological. Up next is 2017. I will start 2017 very sooon. The 2017 class was slightly more diverse. It had ELO, Joan Baez, Yes, Journey, Pearl Jam and Tupac Shakur. Stay tuned for 2017.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/22/2021 @ 04:00am


RG, Plebian, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, KING, Greg F, Shrek, Nick, The Dude, dmg, John R.C., Steve Z, Ozmeow1900, Ian, Navonte Robertson, K-Dawg and Follower,

Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/22/2021 @ 10:02am


My predictions

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Devo
Dionne Warwick
Carol King
Tina Turner
Jay-Z

My wildcard

Either New York Dolls or RATM

The unfairly omitted

If Fela Kuti is still number one on the RIGGED fan ballot, then he's very likely to join this club along with Dave Matthews Band and Motley, slapping the fans and the general public in the face to cause more boycotts and alienation. This is why there should be mandate inclusions for the top vote getters both on the kiosk and fan ballot in order to make consumers happy and stay revalent. The Hall is an amusement attraction made for the general public, NOT an official residence home nor a private workplace for minor crowds.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/22/2021 @ 10:23am


Richie,

I already gave my predictions what more do you want?

Jay-Z
Foo Fighters (I don't care if they are not deserving according to pseudo-intellectual critics, they are still a great band no matter what)
Tina Turner
Carole King
The Go-Go's
Fela Kuti (If my theory is correct, it will be the same class structure like last year's. Two 70s, two 80s, two late 90s-early 00s acts for this particular class. Fela might actually make it as a performer)

Dark horses:
Devo (Cleveland and New Wave train)
Todd Rundgren (He clearly does not want to be at the ceremony and be nominated again so I see the Committee give him ME or put him in performer to make room for next year)
RATM (Rage is pretty timely right now, but I suppose the Hall is already overwhelmed on their own problems. Tom Morello is also part of the committee and having him and Dave as part of the class will ensue conflict of interest for being 'insider baseball')
New York Dolls (They are monstrously influential and probably will be the last Glam Rock act to be inducted. Their induction may help the case of The Smiths,
B-52s, The Replacements, The Runaways, and MAYBE Motley Crue.)
Iron Maiden (I really want to believe this one. They have no competition and are clearly the only metal act that can possibly break the curse. We shall wait and see....)

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 03/22/2021 @ 11:27am


Plebian,

I agree with all of your picks for the 2021 inductees except Fela Kuti, I just don't see him getting inducted this year (let alone ever), but I absolutely agree with Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King and Tina Turner. I think that all five of them will be inducted this year, plus in addition to all of the names that I mentioned above, I also think Rage Against The Machine and Todd Rundgren will be inducted this year as well, plus I also have Devo, Iron Maiden and New York Dolls as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/22/2021 @ 14:49pm


I think it's very possible that Linkin Park could be the 3rd metal band (under modern definitions, classic definitions would include several inductees like Bon Jovi, AC/DC, KISS, and Def Leppard) to be inducted.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/23/2021 @ 11:16am


I will now start Detailing the 2017 class. I think I like this class even more than 2016. Even though I do like that one
The Electric Light Orchestra opened the 2017 RnR Hall of Fame ceremony. I'll just say ELO. They are mostly a Prog rock group. We had the privilege of 2 Prog Rock groups in 2017. There was ELO and Yes. But ELO went beyond Prog with more basic rock tunes also. They are known for Orchestral rock the most though. I am Not a really huge fan of ELO. I mainly like their Hits. ELO's Greatest hits satisfies me fine. I NEVER owned LOTS and lots of ELO albums. I own 1 actual ELO album.
Now I had been thinking that the Moody Blues, the first major Rock band to include orchestras would be inducted first. After all the Moody Blues were very innovative with orchestrated rock. That's a discussion for later.
But alas the Moody Blues were skipped in favor of ELO. I think that's what happened. They both used Orchestras. I think it's because ELO had lots of Top 10 hits like Evil Woman and Livin Thing. They In fact had lots of hits but never a #1 hit. And of course they sold millions of albums. Also Jeff Lynne is widely known and respected as the famous leader of ELO and also as a producer. That gave them an edge for induction over other acts.
The band's fourth album, Eldorado was a concept album. Can't Get it out of my Head became their first US TOP 10 hit. ELO became more accessible. I remember they played on the Midnight Special a lot in the 70s. I'll have more on ELO later.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/23/2021 @ 17:22pm


It's too bad the string section wasn't inducted.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/23/2021 @ 17:54pm


I will Now continue with ELO. Face the Music was released in 1975, giving them huge hits with Evil Woman and Strange Magic.
A New World Record became a huge album with lots of hits. I do own this album. It's a great album. The band toured in support of it from Sept 1976 to April 1977.
A New World Record was followed by another huge selling album, the double album, Out of the Blue in 1977. It featured more hits. The band then set out on a 92 Date world tour with a large set and a very expensive spaceship stage.
In 1979,the album Discovery was released. Although the biggest hit was the great rock song Don't bring me Down, the album was known for its heavy disco influence. It was a strange direction. By the the end 1979 ELO had reached the peak of their success, ,selling millions of albums and singles. During 1979 Jeff Lynne turned down an invitation for ELO to headline the Knebworth Festival concerts. That gave Led Zeppelin a chance to headline instead.
Following 1983's Secret Messages, Bev Bevan left the group to join a totally different group, Black Sabbath. He did return to the group for 1986's Balance of Power.,which despite a hit, Calling America, received little interest.
However as ELO's career descended ,Jeff Lynne emerged as a legendary produccer., bringing on good comebacks for George Harrison with Cloud Nine and Roy Orbison.with Mystery Girl. And then teaming with them along with Bob Dylan and Tom Petty in the big group Traveling Wilburys. He produced so many more projects in the 1990s. Someone can mention them.
Some of my favorite tunes from ELO are Fire on High, Evil Woman. Telephone Line, Livin Thing, the Mission, Mr. Blue Sky and Don't Bring Me Down.
In 2017 ELO were inducted into the Rn'R Hall of Fame. They were well deserved for induction in the Hall. They performed Roll Over Beethoven as a tribute to Chuck Berry who had just died. They also performed Mr. Blue Sky and Evil Woman.
One could say ELO are long overdue. But hey the Hall had other priorities. OK guys there's ELO to review!

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/23/2021 @ 19:51pm


I'm so glad that Fela Kutu is winning the RNRHOF voting. It's like voting for Sanjaya for American Idol. It's a goof.

Hey, everyone, what is your favorite Fela Kutu song? Get the F out of here.

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 03/23/2021 @ 21:41pm


I'm a racist, Trump-loving baffoon cause I can't handle the fact Fela Kuti is number one on the fan ballot. He was a winner, and I'm a loser.

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 03/23/2021 @ 22:03pm


Please add a page for Frehley's Comet

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 03/24/2021 @ 01:18am


Will N., King, Enig, Folllower and anyone else.
You should respond and comment on ELO. They were a Notable act in the 70s. I only own New World Record as far as their albums. But I know Out of the Blue and Discovery. Albums I own always Cd and Download. I downloaded a lot of ELO hits a few years ago. Hits like Evil Woman, Telephone Line and Livin Thing are memories of the 70s for me. Ok Guys let's hear about ELO

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/24/2021 @ 06:53am


Ben,

Although Electric Light Orchestra is my 12th favorite prog artist, I would not become familiar with most of their discography until nearly 40 years later.

I had first heard the music of the Electric Light Orchestra during the summer of 1979. 'Don't Bring Me Down' was the song which had cintroduced me to their music on the long defunct tv show, "Solid Gold." Then, slightly more than a year later in October, 1980- I had purchased "Xanadu: The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack" as one of my first two cassette purchases. The other purchase was "Lost In Love" by Air Supply. Later that month, I had been reintroduced to the music of Rush, via "Hemispheres," because I had bought the cassette of "Xanadu."

My second purchase of an E.L.O. recording was "E.L.O.'s Greatest Hits" on cassette. I would later become more familiar with E.L.O.'s music- mostly through their compilations. My third purchase was "Time" during the summer of 1981. My fourth E.L.O. album was "Eldorado," which i had purchased nearly a decade and a half later on compact disc. Then I began purchasing almost all of E.L.O.'s studio albums during the summer and autumn of 2016 on compact disc, after I had purchased the "Mr. Blue Sky" documentary and Jeff Lynnes' E.L.O. "Live At Hyde Park" "on BluRay.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 03/24/2021 @ 10:20am


I like some of their songs. Did you guys know that Can't Get It Out of My Head is about John and Yoko? If John knew that, it's probably why he approved of them.

Generally the ones I like are the ones on complication albums. Like I mentioned before, the string section should have been inducted. Granted, 9 member limit means only 5 members of them could be inducted. Yes, they did ditch the strings later on, but the strings were an integral part of their sound that made them stand out from their contemporaries.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/24/2021 @ 11:29am


Follower,

To be fair, inducting the whole string section for ELO is very finicky for the Hall as they're way too many to count and only real die hard fans of the band really care about that stuff. Why do you think they just took face value for Bee Gees, David Bowie, and Elton John? They see the most iconic, not the most essential.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/24/2021 @ 12:28pm


An updated list of the one-hundred certified bands in America who are not in the Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Social Justice Warriors, and Snowflakes Like with the inclusion of albums, digital singles, standard singles, EP's, video albums, and ringtones.

Maroon 5- 90 Million


Linkin Park- 63.6 Million


Florida Georgia Line- 53.5 Million


Twenty One Pilots- 51 Million


Alabama- 46.8 Million


Foreigner- 45.5 Million


Panic! At The Disco- 41 Million


The Chicks- 40.8 Million


Coldplay- 37.6 Million


Rascal Flatts- 34.7 Million


Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million


Fall Out Boy- 33 Million


Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million


Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million


Boston- 31 Million


Imagine Dragons- 30 Million


The Carpenters- 29.6 Million


Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million 


Nickelback- 27.8 Million


Motley Crue- 26.8 Million


REO Speedwagon- 26 Million


Creed- 26 Million


3 Doors Down- 25.8 Million


Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million

Train- 25 Million 


OneRepublic- 24 Million


Sade- 23.5 Million


Kansas- 23 Million


Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million


Dan + Shay- 22.5 Million


The Fray- 22.5 Million

No Doubt- 22.1 Million


Paramore- 22 Million


Fun- 22 Million


Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million


Daughtry- 20 Million


Three Days Grace- 20 Million


Casting Crowns- 18.5 Million


The Monkees- 18 Million


Shinedown- 17.55 Million


Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million


Styx- 17.5 Million


Korn- 17.25 Million


Limp Bizkit- 17 Million


Bad Company- 16.65 Million


Disturbed- 16.5 Million


Breaking Benjamin- 16.5 Million


Sugarland- 16 Million


INXS- 16 Million


Wings- 16 Million


Poison- 15.750 Million


Toto- 15.5 Million


Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million


Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million


The Offspring- 15 Million


The Cranberries- 15 Million


Foster the People- 15 Million


Evanescence- 15 Million


The Band Perry- 14.5 Million


Duran Duran- 14 Million


Skillet- 14 Million


My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million

MercyMe- 13.6 Million

Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million

Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million

Counting Crows- 13 Million

Whitesnake- 12.650 Million


The Killers- 12.6 Million


Old Dominion- 12.5 Million


Survivor- 12.5 Million


Blink 182- 12.1 Million


Live- 12 Million


Owl City- 12 Million


Godsmack- 11.6 Million


The Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million


Little Big Town- 11.5 Million


Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million


Savage Garden- 11.5 Million


Judas Priest- 11.1 Million


Scorpions- 11.1 Million


All American Rejects- 11.1 Million


Loverboy- 11 Million


Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million


Three Dog Night- 11 Million


X Ambassadors- 11 Million


5 Seconds of Summer- 11 Million


Slipknot- 10.7 Million


Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million


38 Special- 10.5 Million


Florence & the Machine- 10.5 Million


Bush- 10.5 Million


Muse- 10.5 Million


Men at Work- 10.5 Million


The Black Keys- 10.5 Million

The Lumineers- 10.5 Million


Staind - 10.05 Million


Sublime- 10 Million


Clean Bandit- 10 Million

The Neighborhood - 10 Million 


Tool- 9.8 Million

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 03/24/2021 @ 14:28pm


Why aren't they numbered?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/24/2021 @ 15:37pm


I changed that to prevent any errors here when I copy and paste this list again for later on my phone. You gotta make it look nice and straight rather than making it a mess.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 03/24/2021 @ 15:50pm


Some great write ups on ELO. Enig apparently likes the ELO studio albums more Recently. Kind of odd that he didn't get then until 2016. I never got into most of their actual Studio albums. I do own NEW WORLD record. I think that's their best one. Just like Follower I mostly like the tunes on compilations. And Yes the whole string section should have been Inducted

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/24/2021 @ 21:15pm


I will continue 2017 class with Joan Baez. Joan Baez was inducted in 2017. She performed next at the 2017 ceremony. It had been awhile since a singer/songwriter had been inducted. This gave the 2017 class some extra diversity. Joan Baez was a key folk singer in the 1960's. She is one of the world's most famous female folk singers. Also. Joan Baez proved that the 60s were still alive and well for the Hall.
Like other popular folk performers, Baez was affected by the changes in popularmusic brought by the Beatles in America and Bob Dylan's rise with folk rock in 1965. And She began to combine her simple acoustic guitar backing with other instruments.
In March 1968, Baez married antiwar protest leader David Harris, who was imprisoned as a draft evader. Harris was a country music fan, and so Baez turned toward country, with David's Album (June 1969) and One Day at a Time (March 1970) It reflected his taste. Blessed Are... (August 1971) was a gold-selling double album that spawned a big Top Ten hit in Baez's cover of the Band's "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down." I like that tune a lot by both Baez and the Band. Baez does a terrific version. Baez switched record labels to A&M Records with Come from the Shadows (May 1972), which moved her in a more pop direction. Where Are You Now, My Son? (May 1973) included sounds taped during Baez's visit to Hanoi in December 1972.
In the late '60s and early '70s, Baez moved toward pop/rock music and also began to write her own songs, culminating in the big seller Diamonds & Rust (April 1975), which was followed by the entirely self-written Gulf Winds (October 1976). Baez moved to the Portrait label of CBS Records with Blowin' Away (June 1977), but she left the label after Honest Lullaby (May 1979), and her next album, European Tour (1980), was released only outside the U.S. It was another seven years before she found an American record label, Gold Castle, and released an album called Recently. I've hear some Joan Baez on
Contemporary Folk programs. There was a show called Mixed bag done by Pete Fornatale. He played quite a bit of Joan Baez on the Mixed bag show in New York. I like other folk singers and singer/songwriters a lot more but some favs of mine from Joan Baes are Diamonds and Rust, Night They Drove Old Dixie Down and Best of Friends.
In the 90s Box sets and Live albums were released by Baez. Baez was inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame in 2017. She was inducted by Jackson Browne. She performed with Mary Chapin Carpenter and Indigo Girls. She played Deportee, Swing Low Sweet Chariot and the Night They Drove Old Dixie Down. I liked her performance. I am not a big fan at all of Joan Baez but I think she is Very deserved for the Hall. It brought back representation of singer/songwriters to the Hall. This shows extra diversity. Ok guys a couple of you may know and like Joan Baez. Let me hear all about it.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 04:44am


Ben,

Although Electric Light Orchestra is my 12th favorite prog artist, I would not become familiar with most of their discography until nearly 40 years later.

I had first heard the music of the Electric Light Orchestra during the summer of 1979. 'Don't Bring Me Down' was the song which had introduced me to their music on the long defunct tv show, "Solid Gold." Then, slightly more than a year later in October, 1980- I had purchased "Xanadu: The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack" as one of my first two cassette purchases. The other purchase was "Lost In Love" by Air Supply. Later that month, I had been reintroduced to the music of Rush, via "Hemispheres," because I had purchased the cassette version of "Xanadu."

My second purchase of an E.L.O. recording was "E.L.O.'s Greatest Hits" on cassette. I would later become more familiar with E.L.O.'s music- mostly through their compilations. My third purchase was "Time" during the summer of 1981. My fourth E.L.O. album was "Eldorado," which I had purchased nearly a decade and a half later on compact disc. Then I began purchasing almost all of E.L.O.'s studio albums during the summer and autumn of 2016 on compact disc, after I had previously purchased the "Mr. Blue Sky" documentary and Jeff Lynnes' E.L.O. "Live At Hyde Park" "on BluRay. In case you have not seen them, I would highly recommend doing so.

By the way, I happen to like many songs by E.L.O, however if hard pressed to name a favorite then I would probably choose : 'Mr. Blue Sky.'

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 05:04am


Will N,.
Oh man Ieft you behind a bit. You haven't responded to the series since over a week ago. No worries. I will take a break after 2017. This will give busy people like you time to catch up. Work can get hectic I know. I just wanted to get things going fast with 2016 and 2017. I still want to hear your thoughts on Steve Miller, Chicago and Cheap Trick. And if you choose to you can review N.W.A. You may have the same lack of knowledge on them as me. We are both Rock guys. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 05:26am


I would concur with Enigmaticus that Mr. Blue Sky might be my FAV ELO song. There's no doubt Jeff Lynne is a musical genius.He always looks the same. It's quite amazing. I've noticed the RRHOF has nominated groups with legendary and respected musicians recently. EX: Jeff Lynne ELO, Mark Knopfler Dire Straits, Steve Miller Steve Miller Band etc. ELO was deserving of the RRHOF considering their many hit songs. 1970's and 1980's period. Don't Bring Me Down, Hold On Tight, Mr. Blue Sky, Telephone Line, etc. I can't say I am wearing any ELO concert shirts but they made great songs. Joan Baez should have been inducted years ago. It was probably 1 of those things going around the Committee table. Someone proposed Joan Baez as a Nominee. Most probably were surprised she had not been nominated. A strong singing voice, outstanding guitar playing, and excellent folk songs. I was happy to see she was in good health for the Induction. Hopefully, Peter, Paul & Mary will be Nominated & Inducted soon. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 08:03am


My general predictions haven't changed much but shortly after the nominees reveal, I reconsidered the idea of Musical Excellence inductions for three of the artists. One in particular has a very strong case if he wins the fan vote.

99% Shot:
1. Jay-Z
2. Foo Fighters
3. Tina Turner
4. Carole King

80% Chance (Their Lane Is Clear):

5. Iron Maiden

Depends A Lot On Decision Making From The Institution:

6A. Devo
6B. Fela Kuti - Musical Excellence
6C. Todd Rundgren - Musical Excellence
6D. Chaka Khan - Musical Excellence

7. New York Dolls
..............:.........:........................................
11. The Go-Go's (but really in a dead heat for 8th with Rundgren as far as a Perfomer induction goes, so they have a great shot)

Maybe A 10% Shot Based On Acts Like Roxy Music Getting In Recently:

12. Kate Bush

Minimal Chance (like under 5%):

13. Rage Against The Machine
14. LL Cool J
15. Dionne Warwick
16. Mary J Blige

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 13:56pm


I haven't had a problem with them throwing an Early Influence name like Sister Rosetta Tharpe on the ballot and then giving her a backdoor induction but it would be kind of BS for something like this to happen:

Five Performer inductees + Chaka, Fela and Todd as ME inductees

Because in that scenario, that means none of the three ME choices finished in sixth place. So the artists finishing in sixth (and possibly seventh and eighth) would have a rather understandable gripe with how things played out.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 14:01pm


I need to do a quick rant about Rage Against The Machine and why I find their continued rubber stamping onto the ballot to be very very problematic and, in some ways, flat out offensive to those that grew up during or paid close attention to the 90s music scene.

I'm not denying their influence and importance and there's something to be said for them revving up a reunion tour to sellout arena shows for MULTIPLE nights.

But not only did the 90s feature acts like Belle & Sebastian that likely had a bigger impact on the great rock of this century (despite somewhat middling sales) but Rage weren't even much more than a sizable niche among mainstream acts during that decade. Bands ranging from awful to alright like Bush and Live were a much bigger part of that alternative radio scene. Heck, the Counting Crows with their debut could arguably be considered more impactful than Rage. I'm not saying any of these acts have a better case, I'm just saying that the nominating committee is basically rewriting history about what went down during that decade and mostly because Tom Morello is in that room with them (just as they keep humoring Questlove with his Chaka Khan pet pick).

And it really gets appalling when we look at critically acclaimed acts from that period that have not made the ballot or were beaten to it by Rage. Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Bjork, Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Tori Amos, Blur, Mariah Carey, Weezer, hell, even Stone Temple Pilots. We're basically letting a committee of people with an average age of like 60 dictate to the rest of us what that time period was about. I find it to be condescending and flat out wrong.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 14:13pm


The holy trinity of 90s Rock: Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Rage Against The Machine.

The superstar R&B Diva of the 90s: Mary J Blige

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 14:16pm


Like the headline for Audioslave was always "Chris Cornell of Soundgarden teams up with Rage Against The Machine band members for new project"

Yet when it comes to the ballot...

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 14:21pm


"Remember that band that by 1997 had taken the lo-fi garage rock sound of indie rock and morphed it into something super forceful and original on two perfect albums?"

"Sure. Weezer."

"Nah, man. Foo Fighters."

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 14:23pm


Casper,

Are you sure Rage was niche? They were pretty much everywhere during their peak. The infamous SNL incident, having songs in big blockbusters like Godzilla '98 and The Matrix, multiple protests (Wall Street and the Democratic Convention) and even Woodstock '99. IDK why anyone would say they were niche. Even in the 2000s-2010s they still were pretty popular. Guerrilla Radio was the title track in Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2, memes, and that one time they overthrew Simon Cowell's darling in the UK charts. I'm not disagreeing with you that the 90s should be represented much better and frankly I rather someone advocate for Pavement rather than Three Dog Night. Yet, I think you underestimate Rage's presence from that era.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 14:41pm


King,
Nice details on ELO. My favorite song from ELO May also be MR Blue Sky. They did have so many hits in the 70s and 80s. Telephone Line, Mr. Blue Sky, Don't Bring me Down and Hold on Tight are good tunes. ELO is deserving of the RnR Hall of Fame.
I like your write up on Joan Baez. She has a strong Voice and great folk songs. I like a few of them. It proves that the 60s are still Viable. A lot of her key stuff was in the 70s

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 16:59pm


Lol Tina Turner took back 1st place again, this is getting hilarious again.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 17:31pm


Wow. Major mistype there. It proves that the 60s are still Viable. A lot of key stuff for Joan Baez was in the 60s 60s. The 1960s. Joan Baez did have some key stuff In the 70s too

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 17:53pm


Up Next will be one of my Favorite groups of all time. That group is Yes. They were nominated twice before as I recall. I guess Three's a charm. Yes were finally Inducted to the RnR Hall of Fame in 2017. This was a great triumph for Prog Rock. Also both ELO and YES were inducted at the same time. It could have been the Moody Blues and Yes at the same time but the Commitee was anxious to have ELO instead. But Yes were inducted. They are one of the most Essential Prog Rock groups. They sold out Arenas everywhere in the 70s. I will have Yes sooon

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 20:11pm


Plebian,

I'm not agreeing with Casper outright, but I do think that Rage Against The Machine wasn't so much everywhere for their music as they were for their name. About they time they were breaking out, we were coming out of a solid twelve years of Reaganism politics. Coupled with the way grunge music was helping the next crop of teenagers express their angst and frustration, the concept and evocation of "rage against the machine" as a phrase... THAT was definitely everywhere.

Simultaneously, it's almost hilarious to see Casper, of all people, griping about an act being too niche, while extolling Belle And Sebastian no less, whom I only ever heard on college stations.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 03/25/2021 @ 22:13pm


Yes are one of my favorite groups of all time. yes were finally inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame in 2017. They are very deserved for induction. Also they are were long overdue. They are another act that should have been inducted at least 20 years earlier. They are one of the top prog rock groups of all time.
In late 1968 they scored the opening spot for Cream's farewell concert at Royal Albert Hall. That must have been an amazing show. Yes then followed by Cream in 1968.
Their debut album was released in late1969. Yes had Jon Anderson and Chris Squire from the start and they got hold of Tony Kaye and Bill Bruford.
During the recording of their second album Steve Howe joined Yes. He replaced the guitarist, Peter Banks. Steve Howe made his debut on the Yes album, a 1971 record that found the group doing really well. Yes provided several of their key anthems on the Yes Album, including Starship Trooper and the album rock Classic All Good People. Perpetual Change is great tune also. These are certainly favorites of mine. I don't really know the first 2 albums of Yes. The earliest album I own from Yes is the Yes album. It was the breakthrough album for Yes. More on Yes later.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 03:46am


I will continue with Yes. With The Yes Album performing well on both sides of the Atlantic, Yes toured heavily, and began work on Fragile. Kaye quit the band in August 1971 to join, so Yes hired Rick Wakeman, an experienced keyboardist. Wakeman's majestic, nearly Baroque style -- created with a bank of nearly a dozen instruments -- combined with Howe's intricate guitar, the supple rhythm section of Squire and Bruford, and the cool vocals of Anderson gave Yes a unique sound, while album designer Roger Dean gave the band a distinctive, fantastical look. This combination was revealed on Fragile, an album that featured showcases for each of the musicians along with two of their key tunes: the epic "Long Distance Runaround" and "Roundabout," which went all the way to number 13 on Billboard. This same lineup quickly released a cover of Simon & Garfunkel's "America" as a single -- it peaked at 46 -- but their primary interest was albums with themes, such as the 1972 record Close to the Edge, which contained two lengthy suites. The album was a smash in both the U.S. and the U.K., reaching number three and number four, respectively.

YessongsBruford left Yes after Close to the Edge, replaced by Alan White,White made his recording debut on 1973's Yessongs, a double-live album that also featured recordings with Bruford; it peaked at seven in the U.K. and 12 in the U.S. Shortly after Yessongs, Yes released their majestic album, Tales from Topographic Oceans, in late 1973. A double-LP containing a mere four songs, Tales from Topographic Oceans sold well at the time but it proved excessive. One of its key elements was Wakeman, who decided to leave the group after the album's supporting tour. The band's new keyboardist, Patrick Moraz, appeared on Relayer, which charted well upon its November 1974 release, but the band quickly took a break to pursue other projects. I like Relayer with its influence from Jazz fusion.
The mid-'70s were awash with Yes music. In addition to solo albums from Squire, Howe, White, Anderson, and Moraz, Atlantic released a compilation called Yesterdays in March 1975, and the concert film of Yessongs had a theatrical release. Yes regrouped at the end of 1976, swapping out Moraz for a returning Wakeman. This revived lineup released Going for the One, a smooth and concise album, in August 1977; the album featured the hit singles "Wonderous Stories" and "Going for the One." it also is known for Awaken, the long song on the album. I love the tune Awaken, Progressive Rock reached its height of success around this time. I go back just far enough to remember that. Yes were still selling out arenas everywhere in 1977. I will continue with Yes later on

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 06:01am


I still am waiting for Casper's Brutally Honest Takedown of the other nominees! So far, he's only done his inital predictions, but I would like to see him tackle The Contenders and The Hopeless. Even though he just revealed who they are.

And of course, I'm still waiting for the 2020 Songs of Proof from Philip!

Posted by Follower on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 12:52pm


Since when Rage were considered as a niche band? They're a Mid/Theater-Level band like NIN and Radiohead. Even if they had headlined some arenas before, it had never happened regularly to them compared to Iron Maiden and Motley Crue. That's why the consumer demands aren't high for bands from the 90's cause they're treated as disposable fads from the general public's point-of-view in the Gen-X crowd, unless you're Dave Matthews. People still mostly think about the 50's through the 80's when they think of the Hall cause they're considered as the "golden" era of music while the 90's through now are considered as the "dark" era. Sure, that might sound like generation gaps, but it's a very common opinion.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 13:39pm


Sad how the 90s does not get respect compared to the other decades. They deserve to put in the same acclaim as those before them.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 14:40pm


The 90's would get respected as other decades if they were less internal issues, premature break up's and lengthy hiatuses. That's why grunge went on a decline in popularity sooner than expected while Heavy Glam Rock, New Wave, and Thrash Metal had lasted a little longer.

You could argue Kurt Cobain and Layne Staley would bigger than they are now if they were alive in good health conditions. Smashing Pumpkins' popularity decline was similar to Guns N' Roses'; all the lineup changes they went through after Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness were so messy, it alienated a lot of fans and Billy Corgan wasn't an easy guy to work with until two of the original members rejoin, which did helped them renewed their own success unlike GNR IMO.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 15:10pm


90s music is still seen as important part of pop culture though. They aren't considered the dark ages or whatever. It was seen as the time of seeing the next generation (Generation X) thrive and become the norm. The baby boomer voters may think the 90s only had a handful of good acts, but the music acts during that time were great. Rage I feel even back then was huge and aren't considered theater level like Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails. What I'm saying is 90s music and culture in general has had enough impact to be in the leagues as the previous decades. People like Rick Beato, who is the definition of a 'boomer' rock star, even states the 90s deserves recognition. Even stupid Vulture writer Bill Wyman gives the 90s their due! Lots of today's generation (including me) see the 90s as the last time of a pre-internet/ 9/11 era. We see them holy in the same veins as those Gen X rockstars looked up to their boomer rockstar idols. Legends I tell you!

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 16:54pm


Cont'd

Boomers may not see it, yet there is a vast number of acts from the 90s untouched that can help shape better representation from that era.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 16:57pm


I get the importance of the 90's, I'm just pointing out some of the mistakes bands from that era made and their flaws. I still wouldn't Rage to be huge in terms of mainstream popularity; their fanbase didn't grew rapidly as Nirvana's, Green Day's, Pearl Jam's, and DMB's. If they didn't split up after their cover album ironically during the George W. Bush era while still making more music and kept touring more, they would be more big than they are now and also be more easier to capitalize.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 17:36pm


I get the importance of the 90's, I'm just pointing out some of the mistakes bands from that era made and their flaws. I still wouldn't considered Rage to be huge in terms of mainstream popularity; their fanbase didn't grew rapidly as Nirvana's, Green Day's, Pearl Jam's, and DMB's. If they didn't split up after their cover album ironically during the George W. Bush era while still making more music and kept touring more, they would be more big than they are now and also be more easier to capitalize.

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Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 17:41pm


Have been an adult music listener thru both the 80s and the 90s and I think the 90s was better. Not waaay better...but better.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 03/26/2021 @ 19:11pm


I will continue once again with my write up on Yes. I continue with 1980. Yes entered the 1980's in an uncertain way. Yes attempted to start a new album in March 1980, but Wakeman and Anderson quickly left the sessions. As their replacements, Howe, Squire, and White hired Trevor Horn and Geoffrey Downes -- of the new wave group the Buggles, The resulting Drama performed alright reaching number two in the U.K. and 18 in the U.S. Atlantic rushed out Yesshows, a double-live album culled from recordings from the mid-'70s, in January 1981, but a few months later Yes announced their breakup. Howe and Downes formed Asia with John Wetton and Carl Palmer, scoring a major hit in 1982 with that debut album. A lot of us own the Asia 1st album.
I will stay focused on Yes. a new version of Yes was formed in the early 80s. Horn rejoined to produce this new version of Yes, which wound up with the biggest hit the group ever had with the modern like "Owner of a Lonely Heart." A hit on pop radio and MTV, "Owner of a Lonely Heart" went to #1 and its accompanying album, 90125, had another mainstream rock hit with Leave It. Leave it is cool song. I think I own that,
Despite the massive success of 90125, Yes had difficulty delivering a sequel in a timely fashion. Big Generator was released in 1987.The album performed respectably, but it generated no hit singles. Although I remember Rhythm of Love on Rock radio, Around the release of Big Generator, there was a bunch of legal battles over the group's name. During this time, Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, and Howe reunited, releasing an album under this name in 1989. I own this too,Also, the lawsuit was settled in their favor, paving the way for a monumental Yes reunion in 1991. Comprising Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe, Squire, Kaye, White, and Rabin, this new version of Yes released a new album, Union, and the retrospective box set in 1991. And Yes had a supporting tour.
Through the 90s and 2000s,the Yes lineup changed all the time. There was the 1994 album Talk. There was several reunions that were made.
My favorite album from Yes are Fragile, Close to the Edge, Relayer and Going for the One. They were inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson. Yes played Roundabout and Owner of a Lonely Heart. I thought they had played 3 songs. Something like Starship Trooper. Enig you should answer this. You would know and remember. If it's just the 2 biggest hits that's a shame. Starship Trooper would represent their sound well. I can't believe this is 4 years ago. Enig thought Yes would headline. But there was too much competition with the huge 90s band Pearl Jam If not for P Jam I do think Yes would have headlined. OK. That's my write up on Yes. I just know Enig will have a lot to say about Yes. Also Will N,King, Follower and others should have comments on Yes. I am psyched to see the responses. I will get to the fourth inductee for the 2017 ceremony. Write your responses man! That would be cool.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/27/2021 @ 04:02am


Your pick of the best decade for music is always subjective. For me, the 80s was great, but the 90s was when music was transformative to me, both in the evolution away from strictly guitar rock as the main form of "rock music" and the evolution of rap.

What is the greatest decade in terms of musical development? Without a doubt, I think it's the 60s. The greatest decade for rock music development is the 70s. The foray into synthesizers and away from strictly rock as rnr's main vehicle was the 80s. Each decade has something to contribute. The 2000s brought us the modern era, and arguably the beginning of the death of rock as the mainstream genre. Everything is subjective, as I say

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 03/27/2021 @ 10:38am


I did more research and most of the time the Hall at least chooses 2 that have been previously nominated. Carole King, a lock for this year, seems to one of them. The question is who is the likely second one?

Todd Rundgren (3 Noms)
RATM (3 Noms)
New York Dolls (2 Noms)
Kate Bush (2 Noms)
LL Cool J (6 Noms)
Chaka Khan (3 Noms for only herself)
Devo (2 Noms)

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 03/27/2021 @ 13:39pm


Ben,

As many of you already are well aware, Yes is my co-favorite band musically, alongside Rush and slightly above The Moody Blues, King Crimson and Duran Duran. Yes had played 'Roundabout' (with guest and co-inductor Geddy Lee, formerly of Rush, playing bass) and 'Owner Of A Lonely Heart' (with guitarist Steve Howe playing bass) at their 2017 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. This particular event had been billed as a "prog rock gala" and had undoubtedly led to the induction of the third member of the "holy trinity" of prog (The Moody Blues) during the 2018 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony.

I had been introduced to the music of Yes, in late May, 1981 at the age of 19 in my hometown of Sierra Vista, Arizona. Upon hearing 'Roundabout,' I had first purchased a copy of "Fragile" on cassette tape. During the next several months, I would purchase "Fragile," "Close To The Edge," "Tales From Topographic Oceans," "Going For The One," "Yesterdays" and "Yessongs" in album form. It would take me more than a year before I would purchase "Tormato," "The Yes Album," "Yesshows" and "Drama" on LP. I would not purchase "Relayer," nor "Yes," nor "Time & A Word" in album form until sometime in late 1982.

To me, Yes almost had an almost other worldly sound, highly reminiscent to me of Middle Period Rush. However, Yes had preceded Rush by several years in the chronological order of their albums. Therefore, Rush had been emulating Yes and not vice versa. It had made a great deal of sense for Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush to induct Yes into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame in 2017. As I have noted previously, this had been reverse mirrored by the induction of Roxy Music by Simon Le Bon and John Taylor of Duran Duran in 2019.

Yes's music has almost always been quite spectacular and has only disappointed me a few times during their long history. I have owned more recordings by Yes than by those of any other artist. I have managed to purchase almost all of Yes' studio albums on cd, in addition to most of Yes' live recordings on either cd, or BluRay. That is the primary reason why I had been so upset by the non-availability of PROG Magazine issue #107 (which features Yes' 40 greatest songs according to readers), due to the shutdown of Barnes & Noble Bookstores during the Corona Virus pandemic. However, I can add ten more.

Therefore, here are my 50 favorite songs by Yes (in order):

01. Awaken (Keys To Ascension, 1996)
02. We Agree (Magnification, 2001)
03. Mind Drive (Keys To Ascension 2, 1997)
04. Magnification (Symphonic Live, 2009)
05. Close To The Edge (Symphonic Live, 2009)
06. The Revealing Science Of God (Keys To Ascension,
1996)
07. Give Love Each Day (Magnification, 2001)
08. In The Presence Of (Symphonic Live, 2009)
09. Roundabout (Fragile, 1971)
10. Starship Trooper (The Yes Album, 1971)
11. And You And I (Symphonic Live, 2009)
12. South Side Of The Sky (Fragile, 1971)
13. Spirit Of Survival (Magnification, 2001)
14. Siberian Khatru (Close To The Edge, 1972)
15. The Remembering (Tales From Topographic Oceans,
1973)
16. Heart Of The Sunrise (Fragile, 1971)
17. Yours Is No Disgrace (The Yes Album, 1971)
18. Turn Of The Century (Going For The One, 1977)
19. Perpetual Change (The Yes Album, 1971)
20. Don't Kill The Whale (Tormato, 1978)
21. The Fish (Schindleria Praematurus) (Yessongs, 1973)
22. Ritual (Symphonic Live, 2009)
23. Can You Imagine (Magnification, 2001)
24. I've Seen All Good People (Symphonic Live, 2009)
25. Owner Of A Lonely Heart (90125, 1983)
26. Machine Messiah (Drama, 1980)
27. Be The One (Keys To Ascension, 1996)
28. Onward (Keys To Ascension, 1996)
29. Wonderous Stories (Going For The One, 1977)
30. Homeworld (The Ladder, 1999)
31. The Ancient (Tales From Topographic Oceans, 1973)
32. Long Distance Runaround (Fragile, 1972)
33. Parallels (Going For The One, 1977)
34. To Be Over (Relayer, 1974)
35. The Gates Of Delirium (Symphonic Live, 2009)
36. Mood For A Day (Fragile, 1972)
37. Children Of Light (Keys To Ascension 2, 1997)
38. Foot Prints (Keys To Ascension 2, 1997)
39. Don't Go (Symphonic Live, 2009)
40. Survival (Yes, 1969)
41. Then (Time And A Word, 1970)
42. Going For The One (Going For The One, 1977)
43. Astral Traveller (Time And A Word, 1970)
44. Shoot High Aim Low (Big Generator, 1987)
45. Leave It (90125, 1983)
46. It Can Happen (90125, 1983)
47. Love Will Find A Way (Big Generator, 1987)
48. Lift Me Up (Union, 1991)
49. Changes (90125, 1983)
50. That That Is (Keys To Ascension, 1996)

Here are my favorite Yes studio albums, in order (including ABWH) from most favorite to least favorite:

01. Magnification (2001)
02. Tales From Topographic Oceans (1973)
03. Going For The One (1977)
04. Close To The Edge (1972)
05. Fragile (1972)
06. Keystudio (2001)
07. The Yes Album (1971)
08. Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe (1989)
09. 90125 (1983)
10. The Ladder (1999)
11. Drama (1980)
12. Relayer (1974)
13. Fly From Here (2011)
14. Tormato (1978)
15. Big Generator (1987)
16. Time And A Word (1970)
17. Heaven & Earth (2014)
18. Yes (1969)
19. Union (1991)
20. Open Your Eyes (1998)
21. Talk (1994)

How, I would rate Yes' studio albums:

Yes (1969) ***
Time And A Word (1970) ***

The Yes Album (1971) *****
Fragile (1971) *****
Close To The Edge (1972) *****

Tales From Topographic Oceans (1973) *****
Relayer (1974) ****
Going For The One (1977) *****
Tormato (1978) ***
Drama (1980) ****

90125 (1983) *****
Big Generator (1987) ***
Union (1991) **1/2
Talk (1994) *

Keys To Ascension (1996) *****
Keys To Ascension 2 (1997) *****
Keystudio (2001) (technically, a compilation album)*****
Open Your Eyes (1997) **
The Ladder (1999) ****

Magnification (2001) *****
Fly From Here (2011)***1/2
Heaven & Earth (2014) ***

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/28/2021 @ 01:32am


I think that's an amazing response. I knew you would give an amazing response to Yes. I think I have extra purchasing of Yes to do. When I mentioned in my write up that the Yes Album is one of my favorite Yes albums too.
Here are my Top 10 favorite Yes albums from most favorite to least.
1. Close to the Edge (1972}
2. Fragile (1972)
3.. Going for the One (1977)
4. Relayer (1975)
5, The Yes Album (1971)
6,.90125 (1983)
7. Big Generator (1987)
8. Anderson , Bruford ,Wakeman and Howe (1989)
9. Drama (1980)
10. Union (1991)

I don't alll the Yes studio albums like you do. I will seek out and buy the Ladder (1999) and Magnification (2001). I don't own those or the others at all. These 2 look interesting. i have heard of these 2 and I've read about them.
I was introduced to Yes in 1979. I heard Roundabout at that time when i was 14. It sounded amazing. I first purchased Fragile in 1982.in album form. During the next 2 years I purchased The Yes Album, Going for the One, Yesterdays and Relayer.

Yes are a great group. Other worldly is a good way to put it. I can see the comparison to Middle period Rush. Yes had preceded Rush by about 5 years. Therefore it certainly makes sense for Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson to induct Yes into the RnR Hall of Fame in 2017.
This is what I think about Yes. That's it for Now

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/28/2021 @ 04:53am


Howard Stern Voted!

Howard Stern Drops Foo Fighters Hall of Fame Bombshell

http://www.alternativenation.net/howard-stern-drops-foo-fighters-hall-fame-bombshell/

Carole King
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's
Rage Against The Machine
Foo Fighters

Roy Trakin of Variety Magazine Voted

https://twitter.com/rockhallpod/status/1375552907324522497

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1uN7aHnxZre1JqYQnagr5H

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/who-cares-about-the-rock-hall/id1372323455?i=1000514456076

Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 03/28/2021 @ 14:49pm


My predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters - LOCK
The Go-Go's - Clear path, they will take much of the new wave/80's pop-rock vote.
Jay-Z - LOCK
Carole King - LOCK
Rage Against The Machine - Their message resonates with a lot of people right now and plus also, "Three times the charm"
Todd Rundgren - Clear path, he will consolidate a lot of the traditional classic rock vote, plus also like RATM, "Three times the charm"
Tina Turner - LOCK

I know that they did 6 inductees last year in 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/28/2021 @ 17:52pm


Anybody wanna celebrate the induction of Todd Rundgren when it happens? We'll go up there and start screaming Todd! Todd! Todd!

Posted by Living Stone on Sunday, 03/28/2021 @ 20:39pm


I am NOT a big rap fan. But Tupac Shakur is an icon in Rap music. Even a Rock guy like me knows that. He is better known by his stage name 2Pac. He is considered by many to be very influential. Yeah, I know I skipped NWA, But I know a little more about 2 PAc though. Also since he is an icon I feel he deserves to be inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame.
I do know that 2Pac was in the film Juice and also Poetic Justice. I have not seen those movies. I think I was busy seeing movies like Jurassic Park and What's Love Got to Do with It. Ahh yes a Tina Turner drama. And she is nominated Now. Anyway he was in a few movies. His first couple albums made him popular.
In 1993 and 1994 2Pac was in some high profile incidents. 2Pac was sentenced to four and half years in prison on Feb. 7,1995. I remember some of this on the news.
Later that month, Shakur began serving his sentence. He was in jail when his third album, Me Against the World, was released in March 1995. The record entered the charts at number one, making 2Pac the first artist to enjoy a number one record while serving a prison sentence. While he was in prison, he accused the Notorious B.I.G., Puffy Combs, Andre Harrell, and his own close friend Randy "Stretch" Walker of orchestrating a New York shooting against him.Shakur only served eight months of his sentence, as Suge Knight, the president of Death Row Records, arranged for parole and posted a 1.4 million dollar bond for the rapper. By the end of the year, 2Pac was out of prison and working on his debut for Death Row. On November 30, 1995 some guy Walker he knew was killed in a gangland-styled murder,
2Pac's Death Row debut, All Eyez on Me, was the first double disc of original material in hip-hop history. It debuted at number one upon its February 1996 release, He had a hit album and, with the Dr. Dre "California Love," was a massive hit. The reason I know all this is because I was working at a cd music store called the Wall music. Has anyone heard of the Wall? Even though I was into some Alternative rock and lots and lots of Classic rock like the Who, Eric Clapton, Steely Dan, Yes, etc. I saw the Rap albums come in to my store. I became a manager at a Wall music store in 1996. During the summer of 1996 he completed 2 films. He also made some recordings for Death Row, which was quickly disintegrating without Dre
At the time of his murder in Sept. 1996, there were indications that Shakur was leaving his record label and maybe even rap behind. Shakur was shot dead on the Las Vegas strip as he was riding in a car.
2 PAc was inducted into the Rn'R Hall of Fame in 2017. He was the 4th Inductee of the ceremony. Snoop Dogg inducted 2Pac. I thought he did a good speech. And there was a tribute to him that featured the hit California Love. Ok guys respond to 2Pac

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/29/2021 @ 05:49am


Up next is Journey. They are one of the best Arena Pop rock bands. The other one I like is Styx. But I don't think Styx is being inducted anytime sooon. I wouldn't expect it. But Journey were inducted in 2017. They are Very deserved of induction. They represented the 80s at the 2017 Ceremony.
As the 2017 Ceremony approached there was a lot of anticipation that Steve Perry would sing. And there was a lot of confusion about whether Steve Perry would the night of the Ceremony. Stay tuned for Journey

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/29/2021 @ 13:44pm


Anyone getting the feeling one of the locks are not perceived as we are thinking?

Tina Turner and Jay-Z are locks no doubt, but Foo Fighters and Carole King remain a mystery. I think those two are vulnerable compared to the other locks. What do you think guys? Lately, voters are not biting on the Foos and while King seems to be locked, she faces competition on fitting the singer-songwriter lane with Todd.

RG, Nick, The Dude, Ben, Will N., Michael W, etc...

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 03/29/2021 @ 13:48pm


I don't trust any nominee being a lock.

Posted by dmg on Monday, 03/29/2021 @ 14:28pm


It's true that no nominee is ever a lock (just ask Radiohead), but I do think that Jay-Z and Foo Fighters might be MUCH more vulnerable than everyone's been expecting. Especially, Jay-Z, as he has LL Cool J to contend with.

Tina and Carole seem to be the safest, in my opinion, as they tend to cover all bases - plenty of friends with current HOFers, the contingent demanding for more women, critics young and old, and those that feel that the older artists are getting left behind, among others.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 03/29/2021 @ 15:44pm


Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing. I think a lot of people are experiencing Grohl overload and that could cost foo fighters. He's kinda been everywhere lately. Tina is the only one I feel really certain about. She seems to pop up on every ballot you hear about. I still think Jay-Z and Carole King make it, but you never know. The Go-Go's might be this year's Doobie Brothers, just cruising along sort of under the radar until they get inducted. At this point, I'd estimate induction chances like this:

Tina Turner - 90%
Jay-Z - 80%
Carole King - 75%
The Go-Go's - 65%
Foo Fighters - 50 %
Rage Against The Machine - 45%
Fela Kuti - 40%
Iron Maiden - 35%
New York Dolls - 35%
Todd Rundgren - 35%
Chaka Khan - 25%
LL Cool J - 25%
Kate Bush - 20%
Dionne Warwick - 15%
Devo - 10%
Mary J. Blige - 5%

That adds up to 650%, which means I think there will be 6 or 7 inductees. This definitely isn't my order of preference or who I think is most deserving, just how I think the likelihood of each of them getting inducted stands at this time.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 03/29/2021 @ 17:56pm


Michael W.,

Only difference between The Doobie Brothers and The Go-Go's is that Doobies sort of fit that Classic Rock mold whereas The Go-Go's do not. I don't think it helps the Go-Go's have a lack of discography as their debut album is the only acclaimed piece of their work. Doobie Brothers are considerably lower in critical acclaim, but the band has substantial amount of hits compared to the Go-Go's. Foos might be toppled by Rage as the 90s act in the class. Jay-Z I see as pretty safe as many people respect him though being last place on the fan vote is really concerning. (At least 2Pac and Biggie were somewhere in the middle of the pack) Carole King and Tina Turner I would say is safe too. The only real lost causes on the ballot are Kate Bush, LL Cool J, Chaka Khan, Dionne Warwick, and Mary J Blige.
I see Todd, Devo, Fela, and NYD as the wildcards. I guess Maiden counts despite reports of no voter voting for them. Those 5 have extreme support from critics despite having little to no visibility. Likely a 6 inductee class as we should get an Early Influence every three years, 2021 being one of them.

New Predictions:
Tina Turner
Carole King
Jay-Z
Rage Against The Machine
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's
Fela Kuti

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 03/29/2021 @ 18:16pm


Hey Guys,

If New York Dolls get in this year, Will it finally open the door for MC5 to get in?. Will New York Dolls's induction finally help MC5?. I think it might finally open the door for them to get in, since they're both proto-punk and hugely influential in that genre.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/29/2021 @ 18:59pm


@ Richie

Not really. If the Dolls make it, then the glam train will continue. They'll most likely go with Mott the Hopple/Ian Hunter when it should be Motley Crue as a mandate inclusion. The next class will be a commercial failure like the recent Super Bowl game and award ceremonies, and they need to stop f@cking their consumers over with the RIGGED kiosk and the RIGGED fan ballot, so they can restore their business integrity or the Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors Like will become even more irrelevant.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/29/2021 @ 21:15pm


Ritchie,

After New York Dolls, I see Sparks and Brian Eno in the future. Brian Eno may not get in early due to already in with Roxy Music, but Sparks might have a chance.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 03/29/2021 @ 22:42pm


I am hoping soon for more responses to the 2017 class. I will now cover Journey. Journey were inducted into the R'n'R Hall of Fame in 2017. They were the first Arena rock band to be inducted. If we want to use that term. We can discuss the actual term Arena rock later. Journey were certainly a pop rock band.
Journey started out as a progressive Jazz rock group. Journey started out early on with Neil Schon,Ross Valory, Aynsley Dunbar, and Gregg Rolie. They released their first album,Journey in 1975 followed by 2 other Jazz rock albums that were mostly instrumentals. I haven't heard too much of this. I never any of it on Rock stations.
By 1977, however, the group decided it needed a strong vocalist and hired Steve Perry. The results came on strong on the fourth album, Infinity (1978), which sold very well (By this time, Dunbar had been replaced by Steve Smith.) Evolution (1979) was similarly successful, as was Departure (after which Rolie was replaced by Jonathan Cain). Following a live album, Captured (1981), Journey released Escape, which broke them through to the top ranks of pop rock groups by scoring three Top Ten hits, all ballads highlighting Perry's smooth tenor: "Who's Crying Now," "Don't Stop Believin'," and "Open Arms." The album topped the charts and sold millions. Frontiers (1983), featuring the hit "Separate Ways," was another big success, after which Perry released a big solo album, Street Talk (1984). When the group got back together to make a new album, Valory and Smith. I own a lot of this stuff from Journey. In that time I owned Departure, Escape and Frontiers. I own Frontiers on cd Now.
Following the tour, Journey disbanded. Perry went into a prolonged period of seclusion as Schon and Cain formed Bad English with singer John Waite. Bad English had several hit singles, including the top hit "When I See You Smile," in 1989. This band didn't last long.. Perry returned to recording in 1994, releasing For the Love of Strange Medicine. Although the album sold well, it was a commercial disappointment by previous standards. In 1996, Perry, Schon, Cain, Valory, and Smith staged a Journey reunion, releasing the million-selling Trial by Fire, which featured the big Top 20 hit "When You Love a Woman," and going on tour. Perry and Smith opted out of the reunion after the tour, but Journey continued, hiring a new lead singer, Steve Augeri , and a new drummer, Bad English's Deen Castronovo, who made their debuts on "Remember Me," a tune on the 1998 Armageddon soundtrack. The band next reconvened in 2001. Arrival, Journey's 11th new studio album, was released in April 2001.
The band received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on January 21, 2005. That same year they released a new album, Generations, and embarked on their 30th anniversary tour. Shows on the tour stretched over three hours long and were divided into two sets -- one focusing on pre-Escape material, the other on post-Escape material. The archival release Live in Houston 1981: The Escape Tour appeared on both DVD and CD in 2006, the same year that the group brought Jeff Scott Soto aboard as a replacement for Augeri. They went through a couple lead singers before they found Arnel Pineda,a Filipino singer. Pineda made his debut in 2008 and Journey released Revelation. I do own one tune called Never Walk Away.
I have lots of favorites from Journey. They were a key band of the 80s. Some of my favorites are Who's Cryin Now, Separate Ways, Send Her My Love, Chain Reaction, Don't Stop Believing, Faithfully and lots of others. Journey's Greatest Hits is an essential album for fans of 70s and 80s Rock
Journey was inducted in 2017. They were inducted by Pat Monahan of Train. Steve Perry gave a great speech. But Journey performed Separate Ways, Lights and Don't Stop Believing and it was sadly without Steve Perry. There it is Journey. They are very deserved for the Hall. I know some of you guys love Journey. I know you guys are out there.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/30/2021 @ 06:21am


With only a few days left to go in March, I have decided to alternate voting for Chaka Khan with Dionne Warwick and Mary J. Blige. Otherwise, I have been voting for the following artists every day: Tina Turner, Carole King, Kate Bush and the Go-Gos.

Now, I have one additional reason now for voting for: Kate Bush, The Go-Gos, Tina Turner, Carole King, Dionne Warwick, Chaka Khan and Mary J. Blige. It is still March and it is Women's History Month.

We could all collectively help to start creating more parity within the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Since only about 7.63% of the present Rock Hall inductees are women, a vote for an all female Performer's ballot could definitely help with acknowledging the individual contributions of the aforementioned artists and their impact on future generations. Ultimately, such a choice could definitely set a precedent for future artists.

The possibility of an unprecedented all female Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction class in 2021 simply intrigues me. Can we honestly say that most of the other acts are more deserving than these women? Please think about it. We could help to change the perception of the Rock Hall from being exclusively an almost all male institution to one that has more diversity. Many years ago, Philip had suggested an all female ballot. This may be the closest that we may ever get to that possibility.

What you did not know, is that even though I have been actively supporting Duran Duran's induction for several years,I could still accept a Rock Hall induction class over the inductions of Duran Duran and Jethro Tull, If and only if that class was composed entirely of women. For many years, I have been a huge advocate for the inductions of Carly Simon and Sade. If the inductions of Carole King and Tina Turner lead to nominations and inductions for the aforementioned ladies, then I will have achieved part of my goal. I am also an advocate for Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo, The Bangles and even deserving female country artists, especially: Shania Twain, Martina McBride, k.d. lang and yes, even the late Patsy Cline and of course, I have no issues with Dolly Parton, either.

Those of you who have read my posts know that I am a huge "prog" advocate. For me, the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) had been extremely essential. Last year, the "prog" train had essentially been derailed with nary a "prog" artist on the list, but now we have a bonafide deserving female prog icon on the list- Kate Bush. Of course, I am somewhat disappointed that Kate has not received a higher number of votes, but that can change overnight. If Kate Bush does get inducted, then maybe Annie Haslam of Renaissance will not be far behind. By the way, remy10- I really do not understand anyone who does not in some way appreciate "prog," especially- so called rock music critics.

Could it happen this time around? Could we possibly have an all female inductee class in 2021?
Personally, since the Rock Hall Nominating list had come out- I have been voting for an all female class and I hope that many of my peers, colleagues and associates will do the same.

Instead of voting for Iron Maiden, who I will acknowledge is still very deserving, I have been alternating between voting for either Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, or Chaka Khan.

The remainder of my votes are going to: Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Kate Bush.


Unfortunately, my Rock Hall nominees' list had only 4 of the present nominees on it (Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Gos and Jay-Z), which means that this list is definitely not stellar by any stretch of the imagination. I am hugely disappointed that neither Sade, nor Carly Simon, nor The Bangles, nor Duran Duran, nor Jethro Tull, nor Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo are on this list. Although, I appreciate Tom Morello and Dave Grohl, my sincere hope is that neither Foo Fighters, nor Rage Against The Machine get inducted this year. I also hope that Jay-Z and LL Cool J, cancel each other out. In my honest opinion, I would also like to see Devo and The New York Dolls cancel each other out, also. So who does that leave- Todd Rundgren, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Carole King, The Go-Gos, Kate Bush and Tina Turner?

Out of those 10, these are the artists who I think most deserve induction in 2021:

1. Tina Turner
2. Kate Bush
3. The Go-Gos
4. Carole King
5. Dionne Warwick
6. Mary J. Blige

The end result- an all female performer class!

If 7- Chaka Khan

There should also be Musical Excellence awards for Fela Kuti and Todd Rundgren.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/30/2021 @ 10:12am


Nile Rodgers was inducted in the Musical Excellence category at the 2017 Ceremony. This happened after about 9 nominations went to Chic. I am into Various genres. I am into a lot of Rock but also like a lot of R&B, Jazz along with other genres. I think this is the last time the Musical Excellence award was used. I've often been at odds with Rap but I can definitely appreciate R&B and funk. Nile Rodgers was originally a member of the disco group Chic. But he became so much more than that. I am Not bothered at all that Nile Rodgers was inducted under Musical Excellence rather than there be more nominations of Chic. He is very deserved as an inductee,
After Chic Nile Rodgers became even more known as a producer. He was a producer for a lot of R&B and Rock artists. Him and Bernard Edwards had begun producing and writing for other artists, including hits for Sister Sledge ("We Are Family") and Diana Ross ("I'm Coming Out"). So with Chic no longer occupying most of his time, Rodgers was free to focus solely on working with others. What followed was a string of the post-disco era's biggest albums and singles. First up was Let's Dance, one of David Bowie's all-time best-selling albums. From there, offers from others flooded in, as Rodgers scored further hits -- INXS' "Original Sin," Duran Duran's "The Reflex" and "Notorious," Madonna's "Like a Virgin," Mick Jagger's "She's the Boss," Jeff Beck's "Flash," the B-52's' "Cosmic Thing," and the Vaughan Brothers' "Family Style," among many others.
He also produced music for movies like Coming to America and Earth Girls are Easy. during the 80s. Rodgers was saluted with his own tribute show in Japan on April 18, 1996 that found him joined on-stage by his old pal Edwards, as well as Sister Sledge, Steve Winwood, Simon LeBon, and Slash. After the celebration Bernard Edwards passed away. Nile Rodgers has continued to be active in recent times. He produced the hit Get Lucky for Daft Punk in recent times. After Chic was nominated so many times Nile Rodgers was inducted in 2017. I don't remember if there was a performance in honor of Nile Rodgers or Not. Can someone tell me that? I know Nile Rodgers was emotional during his induction speech. I also know after Nile Rodgers there was the In Memoriam segment which was followed by Lenny Kravitz with a Prince tribute. Coming up is the final inductee for 2017. It will be Pearl Jam.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/30/2021 @ 16:23pm


https://www.makeuseof.com/youtube-testing-hiding-dislikes/

YouTube Is Testing Hiding Dislikes From Some Users

More proof the Hall can't take a heat with the RIGGED kiosk and the RIGGED fan ballot. Facebook and Twitter are sadly next. They can't handle the backlash and want their consumers to shut up, which is dictatorship. I'm looking forward for the next class to be another commercial failure, and ever watcher on this site needs to boycott.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/30/2021 @ 16:56pm


Devo really wants that induction huh? Rolling Stones just advertised them for "Devo" Day in Akron, Ohio on April 1st. Potential spoiler ahead?

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 03/30/2021 @ 22:29pm


Going back into my original predictions:

Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Carole King
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Fela Kuti
If 7: Devo or Iron Maiden

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/31/2021 @ 14:16pm


Nobody mentioned two of my favorite bands for consideration: Free and Humble Pie!

Posted by Don Kingfisher Campbell on Wednesday, 03/31/2021 @ 15:48pm


Pearl Jam were inducted in 2017. It was clear they would be inducted in first year eligible.
Pearl Jam headlined the 2017 Ceremony. I mean the Hall had no other choice. They have a long run as one of the most important and hard working groups in Rock.
Pearl Jam rose above the army of grunge alt-rockers. Some you have been talking about eras. My favorite eras are the 1970s and 80s. But as far as 1990's Pearl Jam is one of the best. They had an original name I'm not sure about before calling themselves Pearl Jam. Guitarist Stone Gossard and bassist Jeff Ament formed the band with Mike McCready and Jack Irons. They brought in Eddie Vedder. Pearl Jam released the landmark debut album, Ten in August 1991.
Ten didn't begin selling in significant numbers until early 1992, after Nirvana made mainstream rock radio to alternative rock acts. Soon, Pearl Jam outsold Nirvana, which wasn't surprising. After all, Pearl Jam fused the riff-heavy stadium rock of the '70s with the grit and anger of '80s post-punk, without ever neglecting hooks and choruses; "Jeremy," "Evenflow," and "Alive" fit perfectly onto album rock radio stations looking for new blood. Pearl Jam's audience continued to grow during 1992, thanks to a series of radio and MTV hits, as well as successful appearances on the second Lollapalooza tour and the Singles soundtrack. Meanwhile, Temple of the Dog's album became a big hit, thanks to renewed interest in the project (which, in addition to Pearl Jam, featured Chris Cornell) and strong radio support for the single "Hunger Strike." Stone Gossard also embarked on a side project called Brad, which released the album Shame in early 1993.
Despite their status as rock & roll superstars, Pearl Jam refused to succumb to the accepted conventions of the music industry. The group refused to release any videos or singles from their second album, Vs. in 1993. Nevertheless, it was another huge success, debuting at number one and selling nearly a million copies in its first week of release. On their spring 1994 American tour, the band decided not to play the conventional stadiums, choosing to play smaller arenas, including several shows on college campuses. Pearl Jam canceled their 1994 summer tour, claiming they couldn't keep ticket prices below 20 dollars because Ticketmaster was pressuring promoters to charge a higher price. The band took Ticketmaster to the Justice Department for unfair business practice.
.Vitalogy, the band's third long-player, appeared at the end of 1994. Oddly, for the first two weeks, the album was only available as a limited vinyl release. Once Vitalogy was available on CD and cassette, the album shot to number 1. Pearl Jam continued to battle Ticketmaster in 1995, but the Justice Department eventually ruled in favor of the ticket agency. In early 1995, the band recorded an album with Neil Young. Meanwhile, Vedder toured with his wife Beth's experimental band Hovercraft in the spring of 1994 as Stone Gossard founded an independent record company. Mad Season, Mike McCready's side project with Layne Staley of Alice in Chains, released their first album, Above, in the spring of 1995. I think that's the only Mad Season album. Comprised entirely of Neil Young songs, Mirror Ball appeared in the summer under Young's name; although the individual members of the band were credited, the name Pearl Jam did not appear on the cover due to legal complications. And that's it for Now. I will continue Pearl Jam later on. I hope you guys are responding soon. There is acts like Journey, Nile Rodgers and of course Pearl Jam you guys should review. I'll continue later.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/31/2021 @ 19:36pm


I Now continue with Pearl Jam. In late summer of 1996, Pearl Jam released their fourth album, No Code. Although the record was greeted with fairly positive reviews and debuted at number one, its odd mix of rock and worldbeat dissatisfied a large portion of their fans, and it quickly fell down the charts. The album's performance was also hurt by Pearl Jam's inability to launch a full-scale tour, due both to their battle with Ticketmaster and a reluctance to spend months on the road. The band spent most of 1997 out of the spotlight, working on new material; Gossard also released a second album with his side project Brad, titled Interiors. By the end of the year, Pearl Jam had completed a new, harder-rocking record entitled Yield. The album was greeted with enthusiastic reviews upon its February 1998 release, but its commercial sales weren't quite as clear-cut. While their sizable cult embraced the album, sending it to number two its first week of release, Yield quickly slipped down the charts. Pearl Jam supported the record with a full-scale arena tour in the summer of 1998, issuing the concert LP Live on Two Legs at the end of the year.
In 1999, Pearl Jam scored an odd hit with their cover of the J. Frank Wilson oldie "Last Kiss," originally released as the seventh in a series of fan club-only singles that had also featured several incongruous covers in the past. Demand from fans and radio programmers resulted in the nationwide release of "Last Kiss," and it eventually became the group's highest-charting pop hit to date, peaking at number two. The band returned in 2000 with the album Binaural. In order to foil bootleggers, their subsequent European and American tours were recorded in full and released in an unprecedented series of double-CD sets, with each of the 72 volumes featuring a complete concert. Riot Act, a powerful and interesting -- collection of new songs that found the group dabbling in experimental art rock, was released in 2002.
Now some of my favorite Pearl Jam songs are Alive, Go, Black, Jeremy, Oceans, Go, Animal, Daughter, Glorified G, Dissident, Better Man, and Not for You. You guys can mention lots of others.
Pearl Jam was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by comedian David Letterman. Pearl Jam were regular guests on his show. David Letterman replaced Neil Young as presenter. Neil was ill. David Letterman gave a 15 minute introduction. Each Pearl Jam member take their moment to accept their induction trophies. Eddie Vedder gets loud applause. "Climate change is real. That is Not fake news. Eddie says things like that. Pearl Jam perform Alive, Given to Fly and Better Man.
Many of the night's inductees join together on the stage for the All Star Jam. They chose Neil Young's Rockin in the Free World. That's Pearl Jam and that's the 2017 Class.
Where are you guys? I don't know if I'll continue this series or Not. There isn't much response anymore. It would be a shame to stop. 2018 class has the Cars and of course the Moody Blues. Moody Blues are one of the most heralded groups of all time. It has been a week since last response to series. Soo I will take a break from this and see if anyone still responds to the series. Well I covered 2016 and 2017. This series was a huge hit last year. Maybe you guys are very busy. Or maybe the time has passed for this . This series may or may Not return. You guys did respond to ELO and Yes. I will stop the series and see what happens. I will only continue if there is More response. That's it for Now

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/1/2021 @ 06:06am


An updated list of the most certified bands in America who are not in the Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors Like with the inclusion of albums, EP's, standard singles, digital singles, ringtones, and video albums.

Maroon 5- 90 Million


Linkin Park- 63.6 Million


Florida Georgia Line- 53.5 Million


Twenty One Pilots- 51 Million


Alabama- 46.8 Million


Foreigner- 45.5 Million


Panic! At The Disco- 41 Million


The Chicks- 40.8 Million


Coldplay- 37.6 Million


Rascal Flatts- 34.7 Million


Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million


Fall Out Boy- 33 Million


Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million


Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million


Boston- 31 Million


Imagine Dragons- 30 Million


The Carpenters- 29.6 Million


Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million 


Nickelback- 27.8 Million


Motley Crue- 26.8 Million


REO Speedwagon- 26 Million


Creed- 26 Million


3 Doors Down- 25.8 Million


Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million

Train- 25 Million 


OneRepublic- 24 Million


Sade- 23.5 Million


Kansas- 23 Million


Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million


Dan + Shay- 22.5 Million


The Fray- 22.5 Million

No Doubt- 22.1 Million


Paramore- 22 Million


Fun- 22 Million


Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million


Daughtry- 20 Million


Three Days Grace- 20 Million


Casting Crowns- 18.5 Million


The Monkees- 18 Million


Shinedown- 17.55 Million


Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million


Styx- 17.5 Million


Korn- 17.25 Million


Limp Bizkit- 17 Million


Bad Company- 16.65 Million


Disturbed- 16.5 Million


Breaking Benjamin- 16.5 Million


Sugarland- 16 Million


INXS- 16 Million


Wings- 16 Million


Poison- 15.750 Million


Toto- 15.5 Million


Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million


Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million


The Offspring- 15 Million


The Cranberries- 15 Million


Foster the People- 15 Million


Evanescence- 15 Million


The Band Perry- 14.5 Million


Duran Duran- 14 Million


Skillet- 14 Million


My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million

MercyMe- 13.6 Million

Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million

Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million

Counting Crows- 13 Million

Whitesnake- 12.650 Million


The Killers- 12.6 Million


Old Dominion- 12.5 Million


Survivor- 12.5 Million


Blink 182- 12.1 Million


Live- 12 Million


Owl City- 12 Million


Godsmack- 11.6 Million


The Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million


Little Big Town- 11.5 Million


Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million


Savage Garden- 11.5 Million


Judas Priest- 11.1 Million


Scorpions- 11.1 Million


All American Rejects- 11.1 Million


Loverboy- 11 Million


Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million


Three Dog Night- 11 Million


X Ambassadors- 11 Million


5 Seconds of Summer- 11 Million

Slipknot- 10.7 Million


Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million

38 Special- 10.5 Million


Florence & the Machine- 10.5 Million


Bush- 10.5 Million


Muse- 10.5 Million


Men at Work- 10.5 Million


The Black Keys- 10.5 Million

The Lumineers- 10.5 Million

Theory Of A Deadman- 10.5 Million 

Staind - 10.05 Million


Sublime- 10 Million


Clean Bandit- 10 Million

The Neighborhood - 10 Million 


Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/1/2021 @ 13:28pm


I remember Pearl Jam exploding onto the scene in 1991. Another group from Seattle. They must have something in the Washington water. I was in High School and it was something interesting. The lyrics weren't your typical "get drunk" or "get some loving". They were highly intelligent and well-thought out. Eddie Vedder sang with an intense baritone. I didn't fall in love with his voice but respected it. The guitar work was beautiful and sizzling. Painting word pictures in your mind. I think most music fans around in the 1990's would place TEN somewhere in their top 1990's CD's. That Pearl Jam 1991 summer was a relentless wave of great songs "Even Flow," "Alive," "Jeremy". I remember the Jeremy video was played regularly and sometimes I could hear my Dad singing along in his baritone...Jeremy's spoken...Spoken...Jeremy's spoken. Pearl Jam sold millions of copies of TEN. Rightfully so. Excellent songs from front to back. My FAV song off TEN was Black. Incredible song. Vs. was their next CD. I think it was solid but not as good. I liked rearviewmirror and dissident and Elderly Woman...I heard a good buzz about Vitalogy the next album. Although cliche, I bought the CD the same day it was released. I think I've only done that with 3 other CD's. The Alice In Chains CD with the 3 legged dog was one. Anyway, I like Vitalogy because of it's spectrum of greatness and weirdness. Two of their best songs are on here: Better Man and Immortality. I think I read Better Man is a story about his Mother. She's trapped in this relationship but can't find another man a "better man." There seemed to be friction with Eddie and the man too. Spin the Black Circle is another good song. Very fast-paced and kind of an ode to his love of vinyl records. Corduroy was another popular song. It might be the best 1 on the album. Kind of a relentless cruncher. Usually when I play a game of Mr. Mouth, I'll put on Corduroy. I remember some illustrated drawings too. Pearl Jam returned a few years later with No Code. I really did not like the album. Smile jumped out as a possible hit. It was upbeat and had some good guitar work. Off He Goes was another song that jumped out. Kind of a cool lyrical story. It seemed Pearl Jam was experimenting here. Some years later, I listened to it and it sounded better. No Code had these picture cards with the Song and Words on the back. It was a nice creative touch. I didn't listen to any Pearl Jam for many years after No Code. They definitely were deserving of the Rock And Roll HOF. With Kurt, Layne and others singers dying young, Eddie Vedder has gained even more love and respect from music fans. They appreciate his work and love of music. Eddie Vedder has been a legend for many years now. As more rock and roll legends die out, Vedder's star will continue to burn brighter. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 04/1/2021 @ 13:59pm


Here's the list now with numbers!

1. Maroon 5- 90 Million
2. Linkin Park- 63.6 Million
3. Florida Georgia Line- 53.5 Million
4. Twenty One Pilots- 51 Million
5. Alabama- 46.8 Million
6. Foreigner- 45.5 Million
7. Panic! At The Disco- 41 Million
8. The Chicks- 40.8 Million
9. Coldplay- 37.6 Million
10. Rascal Flatts- 34.7 Million
11. Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million
12. Fall Out Boy- 33 Million
13. Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million
14. Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million
15. Boston- 31 Million
16. Imagine Dragons- 30 Million
17. The Carpenters- 29.6 Million
18. Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million
19. Nickelback- 27.8 Million
20. Motley Crue- 26.8 Million
21. REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
22. Creed- 26 Million
23. 3 Doors Down- 25.8 Million
24. Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
25. Train- 25 Million
26. OneRepublic- 24 Million
27. Sade- 23.5 Million
28. Kansas- 23 Million
29. Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million
30. Dan + Shay- 22.5 Million
31. The Fray- 22.5 Million
32. No Doubt- 22.1 Million
33. Paramore- 22 Million
34. Fun- 22 Million
35. Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million
36. Daughtry- 20 Million
37. Three Days Grace- 20 Million
38. Casting Crowns- 18.5 Million
39. The Monkees- 18 Million
40. Shinedown- 17.55 Million
41. Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
42. Styx- 17.5 Million
43. Korn- 17.25 Million
44. Limp Bizkit- 17 Million
45. Bad Company- 16.65 Million
46. Disturbed- 16.5 Million
47. Breaking Benjamin- 16.5 Million
48. Sugarland- 16 Million
49. INXS- 16 Million
50. Wings- 16 Million
51. Poison- 15.750 Million
52. Toto- 15.5 Million
53. Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million
54. Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million
55. The Offspring- 15 Million
56. The Cranberries- 15 Million
57. Foster the People- 15 Million
58. Evanescence- 15 Million
59. The Band Perry- 14.5 Million
60. Duran Duran- 14 Million
61. Skillet- 14 Million
62. My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
63. MercyMe- 13.6 Million
64. Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million
65. Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
66. Counting Crows- 13 Million
67. Whitesnake- 12.650 Million
68. The Killers- 12.6 Million
69. Old Dominion- 12.5 Million
70. Survivor- 12.5 Million
71. Blink 182- 12.1 Million
72. Live- 12 Million
73. Owl City- 12 Million
74. Godsmack- 11.6 Million
75. The Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million
76. Little Big Town- 11.5 Million
77. Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million
78. Savage Garden- 11.5 Million
79. Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
80. Scorpions- 11.1 Million
81. All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
82. Loverboy- 11 Million
83. Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
84. Three Dog Night- 11 Million
85. X Ambassadors- 11 Million
86. 5 Seconds of Summer- 11 Million
87. Slipknot- 10.7 Million
88. Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million
89. 38 Special- 10.5 Million
90. Florence & the Machine- 10.5 Million
91. Bush- 10.5 Million
92. Muse- 10.5 Million
93. Men at Work- 10.5 Million
94. The Black Keys- 10.5 Million
95. The Lumineers- 10.5 Million
96. Theory Of A Deadman- 10.5 Million
97. Staind - 10.05 Million
98. Sublime- 10 Million
99. Clean Bandit- 10 Million
100. The Neighborhood - 10 Million

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/1/2021 @ 15:08pm


King,
You and Pearl Jam may have just saved my series. That's an Awesome write up On Pearl Jam. No Code seemed to be a low point for Pearl Jam. I've never heard much from that album. And like you I didn't listen to any Pearl Jam
Either for many years after No Code except for the hit Last Kiss In 1999. After that it was a Very long Time. They are certainly were deserving of the Rock and Roll HOF. I don't if I said that. I think all the 2017 inductees were deserving in some way. Maybe you can review Journey and Nile Rodgers. I recall you love some songs from Journey. Journey were key in the 80s. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/1/2021 @ 17:06pm


Happy Devo Day!

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 04/1/2021 @ 22:22pm


Will N., King, Enig, K-Dawg, Follower and anyone else.

What are your thoughts on Journey, Nile Rodgers. King had a great writeup on Pearl Jam. Journey are certainly great too. Yes I do respect Nile Rodgers a lot. I like a bunch of the album he produced in the 80s and early. Some of you can name some. I know that he produced David Bowie's Let's Dance album. some songs for Duran Duran and Flash-Jeff Beck. I like those. He produced a couple other albums for David Bowie. Nile Rodgers is deserving of induction. What are your thoughts. I am waiting for the thought. No 2018 class for about a week. You guys need time to catch up. Will N is way behind. I think he reviewed some of 2016 class.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/2/2021 @ 05:37am


Ben,

I have owned a few albums by Journey. I had first discovered the music of Journey when I had purchased "Escape" on cassette back during the late summer of 1981. If I can correctly recall the albums that I had purchased years ago, I had only owned two albums by Journey: "Infinity," (1978) and "Escape" (1981). I think that now I only own Journey's greatest hits on cd.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/2/2021 @ 09:59am


Enig,
That was a great response to Journey. I had first discovered the music of Journey when I heard Who's Cryin Now, Stone in Love and Don't Stop Believing on the Radio In Summer of 1981. I purchased Escape In 1983. I can recall the Albums I purchased years ago were Infinity(1978), Departure(1980), Escape(1981) and Frontiers(1983). I only own Journey's greatest hits and Frontiers on cd.
Well How about Nile Rodgers? I think you can Review him well. He is an Excellent producer. K-Dawg and King can probably do a nice Review on Nile Rodgers. I like and respect his production work of the 1980s and 90s. Soo what about Nile Rodgers? It solves the Chic problem.
Well what do you think?

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/2/2021 @ 13:17pm


On Journey
My 1st encounter with Journey was the epic song Wheel In The Sky. Powerhouse vocals by the singing legend Steve Perry. Neal Schon's guitar also sizzles on this one. What an underrated guitarist! As a young King, I had participated in choir events and singing at the Church. Singing and vocals was always something I noticed on a song. I appreciated those with the soaring tenors and high range. The great Steve Perry fit this description. Journey was very popular remembering back on the radio plays and the videos. It seemed hit after hit. Any Way You Want It, Don't Stop Believin', Faithfully, Lights, Separate Ways, Wheel In The Sky, Who's Crying Now, etc. Journey's music was also enhanced by the keyboard sounds and wizard Johnathan Cain. Musicians like Johnathan Cain and Nick Rhodes Duran Duran helped popularize the instrument in the 1980's. Different keyboard and synthesizer sounds ruled the 1980's. My FAV Journey songs are both from 1978...Lights and Wheel In The Sky. Perry is silky smooth singing on Lights. It's just a great song start to finish. I can't say Journey was my FAV group but I respected their work. They had a successful decade run of popularity and hit songs. One thing I appreciated about Journey...It was about the music and creating and performing great songs. So much about music today is about image and doing sensational things. I don't remember Journey jumping around in leopard or mink coats with painted faces or Steve Perry singing with a pink feather boa dressed in neon yellow. They let the music do the talking. Journey's large and vocal fan base clamored for the band to be nominated and inducted. Finally, the day arrived. I think most of the FRL Regulars at the time thought they would be inducted. Journey was a very popular band and had many memorable songs. Don't Stop Believin' is 1 of the most popular songs out there. I also remembered the Journey Escape video game. You have your own video game and that shows you reached the big time. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 04/3/2021 @ 00:29am


Journey was one of my first exposures to 80s rock n roll music. My father was also a huge fan of them back in the day. They may be C-tier overall, but I have a soft spot for the band.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 04/3/2021 @ 01:40am


Enig,
I will do what we did before. Here is my overall assessment of the class of 2017:
Joan Baez-8/10 (very good) B

ELO- 8/10 (very good) B

Journey-8/10 (very good) B

Pearl Jam-9/10 (groundbreaking and something interesting) (great to superlative) (excellent) A

Tupac Shakur-6/10 (some gangsta type songs but groundbreaking) (average) C

Nile Rodgers-7.5-8/10 (very respected producer) ( very good) B-

Yes-9/10 (great to superlative) (excellent) A

What are your thoughts?
What do you think?

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/3/2021 @ 04:21am


Hey Guys,

The fan vote was originally supposed to end on April 30th but now it has been extended until May 7, and the ballots are due back on May 3. So how will it affect this year's inductees if the ballots are due back on May 3 and the fan vote ends on May 7?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/3/2021 @ 17:37pm


Ben,

In my honest opinion, the 2017 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony had actually been quite spectacular. I had especially enjoyed the intro with the Electric Light Orchestra's performance of 'Roll Over Beethoven' and Jeff Lynne's E.L.O's performances of 'Evil Woman' and 'Mr. Blue Sky'. I had also enjoyed Joan Baez, Mary Chapin Carpenter and the Indigo girls rendition of 'TheNight They Drove Old Dixie Down.' Everything about Yes' performance had been superlative, especially Geddy Lee's accompaniment as the bassist on 'Roundabout' and the intro. As far as Tupac's Induction is concerned, I did like Snoop Dogg's speech and Alicia Keys' piano playing. Journey's performances with Arnel Pineda were great and I did like parts of Pearl Jam's induction as well. I also liked some of the tribute to Prince, especially Lenny Kravitz' cover of 'When Doves Cry.' Overall, I would rank the 2017 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony as the best one which I have seen, thus far.

Here are my Overall Ratings:

E.L.O. (*****) (9.75)
Yes (*****) (9.50)
Joan Baez (****) (8.46)
Pearl Jam (****) (8.40)
Journey (****) (8.25)
Tupac Shakur (*** 1/2) (7.50)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/4/2021 @ 00:49am


Richie,

I don't see how that would possibly affect anything. I think it's just a case of them needing time to count all of the real ballots, while the fan vote results are available instantaneously. I think it does suggest though that May 10th will be the announcement day.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 04/4/2021 @ 08:15am


Enig,
Hey that's cool with your ratings of the 2017 class. It's one of my favorite classes. I think it's one of the best ones ever but the 2018 is Excellent too. One could argue that 2017 is Slightly more diverse, It depends on Tastes and perspectives. With 2017 80s New Wave was not being tackled yet. The Hall wanted to flush out some of the Classic music acts first. And of course another of my favorite bands was Not inducted yet. You know who that is. The Possible Creators of Prog Rock. They started back in the 60s. That band in fact opened for the Beatles in 1965. But of course became innovative in 1967 with a masterpiece. I want to give people time to catch up. I'm surprised mentioned anything about Nile Rodgers. Huge producer. I have no anger at all about Chic missing out after about 10 nominations. I was Not a fan of disco. Nile Rodgers has longevity as a producer of R&B and Rock albums. Nile R produced some Duran Duran albums. I would think says something about him. And there is of course the monumental success of Pearl Jam.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/4/2021 @ 09:34am


Ben,

In my honest opinion, the 2017 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony had actually been quite spectacular. I had especially enjoyed the intro with the Electric Light Orchestra's performance of 'Roll Over Beethoven' and Jeff Lynne's E.L.O's performances of 'Evil Woman' and 'Mr. Blue Sky'. I had also enjoyed Joan Baez, Mary Chapin Carpenter and the Indigo girls rendition of 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.' Everything about Yes' performance had been superlative, especially Geddy Lee's accompaniment as the bassist on 'Roundabout' and the intro. As far as Tupac's Induction is concerned, I did like Snoop Dogg's speech and Alicia Keys' piano playing. Journey's performances with Arnel Pineda were great and I did like parts of Pearl Jam's induction as well. I also liked some of the tribute to Prince, especially Lenny Kravitz' cover of 'When Doves Cry.' Overall, I would rank the 2017 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony as the best one which I have seen, thus far. By the way, Nile Rodgers did absolutely deserve the "Award for Musical Excellence" as well.

Here are my Overall Ratings of their performances:

E.L.O. (*****) (9.75)
Yes (*****) (9.50)
Joan Baez (****) (8.46)
Pearl Jam (****) (8.40)
Journey (****) (8.25)
Tupac Shakur (*** 1/2) (7.50)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/4/2021 @ 11:05am


Enig,
Ahhh you mentioned Nile Rodgers. He did absolutely deserve the Music Excellence award. That's right Lenny Kravitz did When Doves Cry in his tribute to Prince. There was another song he did too but don't remember. I liked Pearl Jam's induction a lot. David Letterman had a great speech. I think I know and like Pearl Jam a lot more. There were definitely the perfect Headliner for 2017. It would be great if you review Pearl Jam as an artist but I'm just trying to have someone who is Not such a fan review them. King Loves Pearl Jam. Although I did not pay attention to Pearl Jam after the 90s too much. I head a couple recent tunes that seem Ok.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/4/2021 @ 14:07pm


Happy Easter!

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 04/4/2021 @ 20:29pm


Ben,

My experience with Pearl Jam happens to exist during that transitional time period when I did not listen to a lot of new music. I had been engaged in studying Biomedical Engineering at ASU, working part time and then taking care of my late grandmother. Even so, I did see a video of theirs on MTV;I think that it was 'Jeremy.' I had also seen a few videos of Nirvana at the time, including 'Heart Shaped Box.' Overall, I had liked those two videos, but I was much more interested in the music of R.E.M. and Rush. In fact, I was mainly listening to "Presto" and "Roll The Bones" by Rush and "Green" and "Out of Time" by R.E.M. during that time. Of course, I was also listening to a lot of Yes and The Moody Blues and some new "prog" and of course, Talking Heads, so I never really got into grunge. Therefore, I cannot provide you with an adequate assessment of Pearl Jam's output.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04/5/2021 @ 09:29am


Eniig,
I do understand. I asked you about Pearl Jam on purpose. Instead of just asking about the Prog I know you like I figured I'd Mix it up and ask you about Pearl Jam. In worked at Cd music stores at that time. But I was only into Grunge slightly more than you. Pearl Jam was my favorite of those Grunge bands. I bought Ten and Vs. Thats it. I own a few songs from Vitalogy.
I went though a transition shortly after the rise of Pearl Jam. I was into REM more. I didn't stop listening to new music. But it was Very mellow acoustic music I turned to. Of course I still listened also to all my Classic favorite bands. I was curious on your take

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/5/2021 @ 10:36am


Foo Fighters are gonna get a huge boost now that JJBA Part 6 has been announced. (FF is considered a reference to the popular manga) The Jojo and the Rock Hall theory is strong this year! Devo, Chaka Khan, and Foo Fighters! Every year, there is an act that has been referenced in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Only 1991 and 2011 are the classes that do not contain any references whatsoever. If you have been referenced in JJBA, you likely have a shot to get in.

Those that have been nominated and referenced, but have yet to be inducted:

Devo
J. Geils Band
Chaka Khan
Kraftwerk
Foo Fighters

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 04/5/2021 @ 23:56pm


Plebian,

I feel like that might be a case of two things correlating, but not necessarily being related. Like, a classic artist that has a high enough profile to be referenced in the anime also probably has a high enough profile to be considered for the Hall. But practically speaking, I doubt there's any actual connection, unless there is a large contingent of anime fans in the nominating committee or voting body that I'm unaware of. So I'm not really sure how the Foo Fighters would get a huge boost from this, but if I'm missing something let me know.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 04/6/2021 @ 10:55am


RG,

It's just a fun theory that is all. I just find it interesting most of the time the classes contain a reference to my favorite anime. Sometimes you may never know as internet polls like the fan vote are bound to have some unexplained boost for a candidate for some reason. I'm sure Foos already has a boost with Dave appearing in everything. If that were the case Yes back in 2017 would have swept the fan vote back then because Roundabout played at the end of some episodes and that song being memed to death would have the Jojo fans meme them to first because they thought it would be funny. Another thing to add was that the anime was already fresh in mind with it's Season 4 finale, so that can be a factor to it. You get what I'm saying?

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 04/6/2021 @ 12:39pm


Right now here are the artists who waited the longest:

Over 30 Years:
Nina Simone
Joan Baez

29-25 years:
The Zombies
The Moody Blues
T. Rex
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Albert King

20-24 Years:
Little Anthony and The Imperials
The Doobie Brothers
Steve Miller
Neil Diamond
The Ventures
Randy Newman
Cat Stevens
Deep Purple
Yes
Darlene Love
Roxy Music
Chicago
Donovan
The Small Faces/The Faces
The Hollies
Miles Davis
Electric Light Orchestra
Dave Clark Five

A lot of these are recent.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/6/2021 @ 19:46pm


One month left until the announcement.

WHAT I WANT
Devo
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Rage Against the Machine
Kate Bush

WHAT WE WILL PROBABLY GET
Mary J Blige
Jay-Z
LL Cool J
New York Dolls
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 04/7/2021 @ 15:44pm


I will be covering the 2018 class. This class was Very good. It had Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, Nina Simone and the Amazing Moody Blues. The Hall proved that there can be some diversity without a Rap act. Nina Simone is a fine Jazz style singer. We. Will get to her. And of course the Moody Blues. But I will start with Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi opened the Ceremony. It wasn't their best performance but Bon Jovi is cool. Bon Jovi fits my tastes for the 80s. I wasn't a big New wave guy. Some is Ok. But Bon Jovi is someone I listened to for awhile. I will start with Bon Jovi later on.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/7/2021 @ 17:35pm


I found some old notes. The notes indicate I got up to 2017 class last year. But I definitely never got to 2018. The act that opened the 2018 ceremony was Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi actually fits my tastes during the 80s. I was into quite a bit of Arena rock. Bon Jovi is a good example of this. Bon Jovi is Ok.
Clearly Bon Jovi was named after Jon Bon Jovi. We all know that. Runaway became a hit locally in New Jersey and led to Bon Jovi forming. It was a demo of Runaway. Runaway led to a contract. Richie Sambora joined just before they recorded their debut.
Bon Jovi released their debut album in 1984. They had a hit with the original version of "Runaway." The following year, 7800° Fahrenheit was released and, all serving as a prelude to the band's 1986 breakthrough, Slippery When Wet. It was supported by several appealing, videos that received heavy rotation on MTV. The record was huge with the strength of "You Give Love a Bad Name," followed quickly by "Livin' on a Prayer" and "Wanted Dead or Alive." Those three Top Ten Hits helped propel Slippery When Wet to sales of nine million in the U.S. alone, establishing Bon Jovi as superstars in their home country. Their fame was not limited to the U.S., though, as the album also turned into a significant hit in Europe, Canada, Japan, and Australia.
Bon Jovi built upon Slippery When Wet's formula with 1988's New Jersey, which shot to number one upon its release. New Jersey was huge too selling five-million copies and generating two number one singles, "Bad Medicine" and "I'll Be There for You," as well as the Top Ten hits "Born to Be My Baby," "Lay Your Hands on Me," and "Living in Sin." I remember when all these songs came out in the 80s. Following the completion of an 18-month international tour, the band went on hiatus. During the time off, Jon Bon Jovi wrote the soundtrack for Young Guns II, which was released in 1990 as the Blaze of Glory album. The record produced a number one with Blaze of Glory. Ok. I got Bon Jovi started. That's it for now.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/7/2021 @ 21:41pm


I found some old notes. The notes indicate I got up to 2017 class last year. But I definitely never got to 2018. The act that opened the 2018 ceremony was Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi actually fits my tastes during the 80s. I was into quite a bit of Arena rock. Bon Jovi is a good example of this. Bon Jovi is Ok.
Clearly Bon Jovi was named after Jon Bon Jovi. We all know that. Runaway became a hit locally in New Jersey and led to Bon Jovi forming. It was a demo of Runaway. Runaway led to a contract. Richie Sambora joined just before they recorded their debut.
Bon Jovi released their debut album in 1984. They had a hit with the original version of "Runaway." The following year, 7800° Fahrenheit was released and, all serving as a prelude to the band's 1986 breakthrough, Slippery When Wet. It was supported by several appealing, videos that received heavy rotation on MTV. The record was huge with the strength of "You Give Love a Bad Name," followed quickly by "Livin' on a Prayer" and "Wanted Dead or Alive." Those three Top Ten Hits helped propel Slippery When Wet to sales of nine million in the U.S. alone, establishing Bon Jovi as superstars in their home country. Their fame was not limited to the U.S., though, as the album also turned into a significant hit in Europe, Canada, Japan, and Australia.
Bon Jovi built upon Slippery When Wet's formula with 1988's New Jersey, which shot to number one upon its release. New Jersey was huge too selling five-million copies and generating two number one singles, "Bad Medicine" and "I'll Be There for You," as well as the Top Ten hits "Born to Be My Baby," "Lay Your Hands on Me," and "Living in Sin." I remember when all these songs came out in the 80s. Following the completion of an 18-month international tour, the band went on hiatus. During the time off, Jon Bon Jovi wrote the soundtrack for Young Guns II, which was released in 1990 as the Blaze of Glory album. The record produced a number one with Blaze of Glory. Ok. I got Bon Jovi started. That's it for now.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/7/2021 @ 21:41pm


On HOF Group Bon Jovi.
My 1st exposure to Bon Jovi was the Song Runaway. Amazing song! 1 of the best of the 80's. Jon Bon Jovi hits those high notes at the end on She's a Little Runaway...Vocal Gold! Just incredible staying in the high register and belting out the ending. Gives me the chills every time.
Slippery When Wet just broke it wide open for Bon Jovi. Incredible songs that are Classics. Livin' On A Prayer, Wanted: Dead Or Alive, You Give Love A Bad Name. I remember there was a little controversy with the album cover. Jon Bon Jovi just wrote Slippery When Wet on a garbage bag. Problem solved! That Slippery When Wet tour was a long and exhausting one. Now they were Super stars! The band needed a little break and released New Jersey. Solid album. My FAV song on New Jersey was Bad Medicine. It's a catchy song and I like the contradiction. "Your Love is like bad medicine...Bad Medicine is what I need... Shake It Up..."
It was also becoming apparent Jon Bon Jovi with his movie star good looks and popularity...He was the star of the band. Richie Sambora also had his share of female admirers and fans. Around the late 1980's period, Bon Jovi and Sambora did some intimate acoustic songs including Wanted: Dead Or Alive on MTV. It was so popular it initiated the MTV Unplugged Series. I have heard conflicting stories about this. Some info would have you believe the MTV Unplugged Series was in the works and the Bon Jovi acoustic song popularity confirmed this was the right direction to go. In some stories, the Bon Jovi acoustic songs and popularity that night made the decision for MTV. The MTV Unplugged is 1 of my FAV Series. Most of the big 80's & 90's Artists signed up. Alice In Chains, Bryan Adams, Eric Clapton, KISS, Mariah Carey, Nirvana, STP, etc.
I remember Jon Bon Jovi had a hit Blaze Of Glory for the Young Guns Movie. He also did a sexy Christmas song and video with Cindy Crawford. Very cool song and good chemistry in the video. Keep The Faith was a big hit and around that time grunge took a hold. I started listening more to Nirvana and Pearl Jam.
I think there was a mixed response here at FRL if Bon Jovi was RRHOF worthy. Some questioned Bon Jovi's exact Innovation and what did they do that was different from hundreds of hard rock bands before. I leaned towards YES. Bon Jovi had incredible popularity and sold over 100 million albums. Jon Bon Jovi had reached Legend status for his music career and work outside music. Bon Jovi was nominated and later inducted. It was the right call. They were very deserving . KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 04/7/2021 @ 22:51pm


Here's my predictions on who would be inducted this year & who would be snubbed.

Who should be inducted:

Foo Fighters - They're definitely a lock for induction, Dave Grohl is probably one of the most inspiring rock legends of the modern era.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 01:24am


Here's my predictions on who would be inducted this year & who would be snubbed.

Who should be inducted:

Foo Fighters - They're definitely a lock for induction, Dave Grohl is probably one of the most inspiring rock legends of the modern era.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 01:26am


I will now continue with Bon Jovi. At the height of their Career Bon Jovi consisted of Jon Bon Jovi along with Richie Sanbora- Guitar, Alec John Such-Bass Guitar, Tico Torres-Drums and David Bryan-Keyboards. This is the most famous line up of Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi were in a huge 18 month international tour 1988-89. Bon Jovi were one of the glories of MTV in the late 80s. Bon Jovi reunited in the early 90s and Keep the Faith, was released in the fall of 1992. While the album didn't match the blockbuster status of its 80s albums, it did give them a hit with "Bed of Roses." Keep the Faith was a big hit too and around that time grunge took a hold. I was not a big grunge. I started listening to some Pearl Jam but kept listening to Bon Jovi and other bands like that. I listened to Extreme at that time. Extreme had a couple albums. A greatest-hits album for Bon Jovi called Cross Road appeared in 1994 and yielded another Top Ten ballad, "Always." Around the same time, bassist Alec John Such left the group; Hugh McDonald, who appeared on Bon Jovi recordings stretching back as far as "Runaway," became his unofficial replacement and featured prominently on the band's next album. Bon Jovi's Greatest Hits is the only album I have from Bon Jovi. After appearing in the 1996 film Moonlight and Valentino, Jon Bon Jovi released his first official solo album, Destination Anywhere, in the summer of 1997.
During the tail-end of the '90s, the members of Bon Jovi did different projects. Crush, appeared in 2000 and constituted something of a comeback in America thanks to the huge hit, "It's My Life." "Thank You for Loving Me" also turned into a hit, helping Crush go double platinum in the U.S. and selling eight-million copies worldwide. Bon Jovi quickly followed Crush with their eighth studio effort, Bounce, in the fall of 2002.
There was a whole bunch of other albums after that. Some of my favorite Bon Jovi songs are Runaway, Let it Rock, You Give Love a Bad Name, Livin on a Prayer, Wanted Dead or Alive, Bad Medicine, Lay Your Hands on Me and It's My Life.
In 2018 Bon Jovi was inducted into the RR Hall of Fame. Bon Jovi was nominated once before. I forgot which year they were nominated before. The public questioned Bon Jovi's exact innovation. Like King says Bon Jovi had incredible popularity and they had more hits than any other Hard rock band in the 80s. Bon Jovi were very deserving.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 04:52am


Bon Jovi was the first induction of the 2018. Howard Stern inducted Bon Jovi, Hey Howard had Bon Jovi on his show many times. Stern talks about his love of all of this year's inductees. He then expressed great gratitude to musicians for putting a smile on his face. "The dream has been realized." Stern got the crowd to sing Wanted Dead or Alive. Everyone in the band gave their acceptance speeches Jon Bon Jovi gave a rather long speech. Bon Jovi performed You Give Love a Bad Name, It's My Life and Livin on a Prayer. It wasn't the best performance Bon Jovi ever gave but they were now in the Hall. Coming up is 2 bands of the 80s I like even more than Bon Jovi. Coming up is Dire Straits and the Cars. The legends of the Ceremony are later. Ohh i disregard the HBO line up of acts. HBO re arranged it. I go by how the Ceremony went live. Stay tuned

Posted by ben on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 05:13am


WHAT I WANT
Devo
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Rage Against the Machine
Kate Bush
Todd Rundgren

WHAT WE WILL PROBABLY GET
Mary J Blige
Jay-Z
LL Cool J
New York Dolls
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 16:07pm


Oh yeah Richie forgot can you post to the right forum I think we just posted on the wrong one.

Safe Enough:
Foo Fighters
Tina Turner
Carole King
Jay-Z

Hopeless:
Kate Bush
LL Cool J
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan
Mary J. Blige

Getting there, but still weary:
The Go-Go's

Wildcards:
Iron Maiden
Devo
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
Fela Kuti

Virtually unknown:
New York Dolls

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 16:18pm


Plebian,

I agree with most of your takes. What's really striking to me this year is that, unlike some previous years, it's pretty easy to sort many of the artists into obviously going to make it vs. obviously not going to make it camps. Like, I don't think I've seen a single list (aside from Garrus) that doesn't include at least three of Tina, Carole, Jay-Z, and the Foos.

There are a few other things that I would argue against from your prediction -

The New York Dolls are obviously obscure, but I don't think they need a whole "no chance" category for themselves. There are still a decent number of 60s/70s people in the voting body that remember them fondly and could be inspired to vote for them. I don't think it will be enough for them to be inducted (and yes, I know my initial predictions included them as a wild card, but my current thought is that they are in the Hopeless tier)

I think that Dionne Warwick is more of a wildcard than you think. I think the presence of two other massive legendary pop singers (Tina and Carole) on the ballot does not help her, and if she doesn't make it, that fact will be why. I do think, though, that she is legendary enough that she will net a very significant number of votes, and if there are seven inductees, she could be in the mix.

I also think that Devo is right on the edge of Hopeless and Wildcard for me, and Rundgren is right on the edge of Wildcard and somewhat likely.

So, my current thoughts (roughly in order) -

Safe Bets:
Tina Turner
Carole King
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters

Somewhat Likely:
The Go-Go's
Todd Rundgren

Wild Card:
Todd Rundgren
Dionne Warwick
Rage Against the Machine
Iron Maiden
Fela Kuti
Devo

Hopeless:
Devo
Chaka Khan
LL Cool J
Mary J Blige
New York Dolls
Kate Bush

Posted by RG on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 17:46pm


RG and Plebian,

Here are my thoughts on this year's nominees a month before the inductees are announced:

Shoo-In's/Safe Bets:

Tina Turner
Carole King
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters

Getting There/Somewhat Likely:

The Go-Go's
Todd Rundgren
Rage Against The Machine

Wild Cards:

Iron Maiden
Dionne Warwick
Devo
New York Dolls

Hopeless:

LL Cool J
Chaka Khan
Kate Bush
Mary J. Blige
Fela Kuti

So I think that in the end, I really think that we'll have 7 inductees again this year just like we had two years ago in 2019 and the inductees will be:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 19:05pm


Up next is the Dire Straits. Dire Straits are a great band. They were another act overdue by 2018. The key line up for Dire Straits was the legendary Marc Knopfler, John Ilsey-Bass, Pick Withers-Drums and later on came Guy Fletcher-Keyboards. I was into the Dire Straits from just about the beginning. of their career.
The Dire Straits debut established Dire Straits as a major force on Album oriented radio in America and their second album, Communique(1979) consolidated their audience. David Knopfler had been in the band but he left the band to pursue a solo career; he was replaced by Hal Lindes. Like its predecessor, Making Movies was a big hit album. I became a fan during the time of Making Movies. Yeah, I was a fan earlier in their career. FM stations played their music a lot. Making Movies went gold on the strength of the radio and MTV hits "Romeo and Juliet" and "Skateaway." Dire Straits followed the album two years later with Love Over Gold, an album filled with long, experimental passages, plus the single "Private Investigations." Love Over Gold is my favorite Dire Straits album, The album went gold in America and spent four weeks at number one in Britain. Shortly after the release of Love Over Gold, former Rockpile drummer Terry Williams replaced Withers.
During 1982, Knopfler began exploring musical avenues outside of Dire Straits, scoring the film Local Hero and playing on Van Morrison's Beautiful Vision. Apart from releasing the Twisting by the Pool EP early in 1983, Dire Straits were quiet for the majority of 1983 and 1984, as Knopfler produced Bob Dylan's Infidels, as well as Aztec Camera and Willy DeVille; he also wrote "Private Dancer for Tina Turner's comeback album. In the spring of 1984, the band released the double album Alchemy: Dire Straits Live and by the end of 1984 they had begun recording their fifth studio album with their new keyboardist, Guy Fletcher.
Released in the summer of 1985, Brothers in Arms was Dire Straits' breakthrough album, making the band international stars. Supported by the groundbreaking video for "Money for Nothing," the album became a blockbuster, spending nine weeks at number 1 and selling over nine million copies; in England, "Walk of Life" and "So Far Away" kept Brothers in Arms in the charts through 1986, and Dire Straits played over 200 dates in support of the album. Once the tour was completed, Dire Straits went on hiatus for several years, as Knopfler produced records by Randy Newman and Joan Armatrading, scored films, toured with Eric Clapton, and recorded a duet album with Chet Atkins (1990). In 1989, he formed the country-rock group Notting Hillbillies, whose sole album, Missing...Presumed Having a Good Time, which I do remember believe it or not. During the extended time off, John Illsley recorded his second album; the first appeared in 1984.
The band released On Every Street in the fall of 1991 to great anticipation, but it was disappointing. There was no hit single. Calling Elvis was a successful tune on Rock Radio. The live album, On the Night was released in Spring of 1993. Some of my favorite tunes from Dire Straits are Southbound Again, Sultans of Swing, Tunnel of Love, Romeo and Juliet, Skateaway, Telegraph Road, Private Investigations, Industrial Disease, Walk of Life and So Far Away. They were inducted in 2018. Dire Straits are very deserving for the Hall. They were Not Treated right at the Ceremony though. . They did Not perform. Ok Guys, I know some of you know Dire Straits well. Please Bring the Comments!

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/9/2021 @ 04:49am


On Dire Straits:
Brothers In Arms was the 1st album I had in 3 different formats. Album, Cassette, CD. I think Brothers In Arms was 1 of the first on CD's. Only 11 I believe when Brothers In Arms was released. A Monster multi-platinum Album! Money For Nothing was a big hit. My sister quickly deduced Sting was singing on Money For Nothing. Enjoyed the video. I've seen in recent years the different music videos covered up the part fa#$&t and a mink coat. Skipping it or blurring the word out. I love love Walk Of Life. Remember buying the single at the record store in 1985 or 1986. This was around the time I purchased it the full album. So Far Away I also purchased on single record too. It's kind of haunting and sparsely arranged but effective. So Far Away great song. Dire Straits definitely had magic recording Brothers In Arms. It might only come around once or twice in a rock band's career.
Dire Straits are/were an interesting band. They have great background vocals and Knopfler is a master guitar player. I've warmed on Knopfler's vocals over the years. He's good with his style.
My 1st encounter with Dire Straits was the Classic song Sultans Of Swing. Master storytelling by Knopfler and the memorable guitar solo. I also remember Romeo & Juliet. Brilliant songwriting. It might be my FAV Dire Straits song. I know the large concert crowds and intense touring was becoming too much for Mark Knopfler. Let's give Dire Straits credit. A Brothers In Arms II would have easily sold over 5 million copies. Knopfler is a musician's musician who doesn't go for the latest gimmick, quick score or flash. He's about the art of music and creating wonderful songs. The Dire Straits songs from 35+ years ago still sound fresh today. Dire Straits finished up somewhere in the middle 1990's and Mark Knopfler has had a successful solo career.
I probably would have waited another 5 years to induct Dire Straits. The success of the band was it's outstanding musicianship and vocal harmonies. Musical Excellence definitely. I wish there was a happy medium where Dire Straits had lived on playing smaller venues and clubs. Not the incredible stadiums of 50,000 fans. They left many years of outstanding music on the table. Dire Straits deserved their RRHOF Induction. It's a shame their Presenter thing unraveled and they inducted themselves.

KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 04/9/2021 @ 13:37pm


Maybe if Mark Knopfler was willing to show up, Dire Straits would have been treated better by the Hall. After all, he's the the reason they are in.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 04/9/2021 @ 20:50pm


The next inductee for 2018is Sister Rosetta Tharpe. She was inducted as an Early influence. This proves 2 things. It proves the Early Influence category is alive and also that's its used generally for the acts of the 1930's, 40's and 50's.
She attained popularity in the 1930s and 1940s with her gospel recordings, characterized by a unique mixture of spiritual lyrics and electric guitar that was extremely important to the origins of rock and roll. She was the first great recording star of gospel music and among the first gospel musicians to appeal to rhythm-and-blues and rock-and-roll audiences, later being referred to as "the Godmother of rock n' roll.
Tharpe's 1948 release "Down by the Riverside" was a key song. Her 1945 hit "Strange Things Happening Every Day", recorded in late 1944, featured Tharpe's vocals and electric guitar, with Sammy Price (piano), bass and drums. It was the first gospel song to crossover, becoming a big hit in April 1945.
In May 2018, Tharpe was in inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as an Early Influence. She was mistanly nominated as a performer, but was changed to an early influence. Even in a super modern year like 2018early influence is for artists of the 1940's and 50's. I saw parts of a tribute at the Ceremony on You Tube. I dropped my HBO a few years. Sister Rosetta Tharpe is deserving as an Early influence in the Hall.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/10/2021 @ 05:02am


My final picks for the 2021 class INDUCTEES:

1. Jay Z
2. Tina Turner
3. Todd Rundgren
4. The Go Gos
5. The Foo Fighters
6. Carole King

I don't foresee any real surprises. And that's sort of sad.

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 04/10/2021 @ 09:06am


Ben,

Your series remains excellent, comprehensive and fresh. I will try to get back into analysis as I can.

Have a good weekend everyone!

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 04/10/2021 @ 09:07am


Hey RG,

I did a little path look through of acts that once they are in, they might for others. These acts have been cited to be similar to the artists on the ballot. Influences and those that have been influenced are in consideration too. (Source: Allmusic, Spotify, etc..)

Fela Kuti opens for:
Gil-Scott Heron
Brian Eno

Iron Maiden opens for:
Judas Priest
Motörhead

Foo Fighters opens for:
Weezer
Soundgarden
Rage Against The Machine
Beck
Smashing Pumpkins
Husker Du
Fugazi
Stone Temple Pilots


The Go-Go's opens for:
Pat Benatar
Cyndi Lauper

Carole King opens:
Tori Amos
Harry Nilsson
Carpenters
Jim Croce

Tina Turner opens for:
Chaka Khan
Diana Ross
George Michael

Todd Rundgren opens for:
Brian Eno
Sparks
XTC

Devo opens for:
B-52's
Sparks
Eurythmics
Weird Al Yankovic

Dionne Warwick opens for:
Chaka Khan
Chic (LOL)
Carpenters
Mariah Carey
The Spinners

Chaka Khan:
Mary J. Blige
TLC
Cyndi Lauper
Mariah Carey

Kate Bush opens for:
Tori Amos
Bjork
PJ Harvey
Alanis Morissette

New York Dolls opens for:
Mott The Hoople
Sparks
Brian Eno
Motley Crue (old man yells at cloud)
The Runaways
The Damned
Sonic Youth
B-52's
Dead Kennedys

Jay-Z opens for:
Eminem
Nas

LL Cool J opens for:
Eric B and Rakim
De La Soul
Nas

Mary J. Blige opens for:
Mariah Carey
TLC

Rage Against The Machine opens for:
Soundgarden
Faith No More
Black Flag
Jane's Addiction
Bad Brains
Dead Kennedys
Fugazi
Soundgarden
Deftones
Tool

Please respond for thoughts!

I hope this speculation helps!

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 04/10/2021 @ 12:11pm


"Motley Crue (old man yells at cloud)"

*Eyes rolled*

I'm not doing some meme sh*t, I'm telling ya'll the truth about The Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors Like being run by idiots who have no knowledge in business and recently having a bad track record of customer service. That's why the last failed horribly and the next one will like the other recent award ceremonies. And for f@ck sake, I'm thirty; not seventy.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 04/10/2021 @ 14:22pm


I'm glad to hear that my series remains excellent. I look forward to reviews of 2018 acts from K-Dawg. I'm now up to the Cars. The Cars were inducted into the RR Hall of Fame in 2018. I'm back to performers. The Cars are very deserved for the Hall. They were slightly overdue. They were in fact nominated twice before. They are one of my favorite bands from the 80s. They were the most successful American New Wave band of the late 70s and the 80s. They were on Rock radio a lot. They are one of the most famous bands from Boston.
Early in 1977, the Cars sent a demo tape of "Just What I Needed" to the Boston radio station WBCN and it quickly became the station's most-requested song. For the remainder of 1977, the Cars played Boston clubs, and by the end of the year they signed with Elektra. The group's debut album appeared in the summer of 1978 and it slowly built a following thanks to the hit singles "Just What I Needed", "My Best Friend's Girl" , and "Good Times Roll". "The Cars" stayed on the charts for over two-and-a-half years, delaying the release of the group's second album, and it eventually sold over six million copies. Recorded early in 1979, Candy-O wasn't released until later that summer of 1979. The album was an instant hit, quickly climbing to number three on the charts. The record had the Top Ten hit "Let's Go" and sent the band to the arena rock circuit. I remember this well. I bought the first 2 Cars albums when I was 15. The group explored more ambitious territory on 1980's Panorama. Though the album wasn't as big a hit as its predecessors, it nevertheless peaked at number five and went platinum. Before recording their fourth album, several bandmembers pursued extracurricular interests, with Ocasek earning a reputation as a successful new wave producer for his work with Suicide and Romeo Void. The Cars released their fourth album, Shake It Up, in the fall of 1981, and it quickly went platinum, with its title track becoming the group's first Top Ten single.
Following the success of Shake It Up, the band recorded the soundtrack to the short film Chapter-X and then took an extended leave, with Ocasek releasing his solo album Beatitude in 1982 . The Cars reconvened in 1983 to record their fifth album, Heartbeat City, which was released in early 1984. Heartbeat City brings back memories of 1984 for me. The album's first single, "You Might Think," became a Top Ten hit, sending Heartbeat City to number three on the album charts. Three other Top 40 singles -- "Magic" , "Drive" , and "Hello Again" - followed later that year, and the record went triple platinum in the summer of 1985. At the end of the year, the group released Greatest Hits, which featured a new hit single, "Tonight She Comes".

The Cars were on hiatus for much of 1985 and 1986, During 1987, the group released i Door to Door. The album was a moderate hit upon its summer release in 1987, launching the single "You Are the Girl." . I remember it but I never bought it. The Cars announced in February of 1988 that they had broken up. All of the members pursued solo careers, but only Ocasek released albums with regularity. By the '90s, he'd also become a popular alt-rock producer, having worked with with the likes of Weezer, Bad Religion, Black 47, Hole, Guided by Voices and others. While sadly Benjamin Orr lost a battle with pancreatic cancer and died on October 3, 2000. I'll have just a littlle more on the Cars soon. A bunch of you guys I know like the Cars. Stay tuned for just a bit more on the Cars.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/11/2021 @ 05:18am


I have a little more on the Cars. Some of my favorites from the Cars are My Best Friend's Girl, Just What I Needed, Bye Bye Love. Moving in Stereo, Let's Go, Candy-O, Dangerous Type, Shake It Up, I'm Not the One, You Might Think, Magic and Stranger's Eyes. Those are all cool tunes. I got into my 20s in the 80s so I know every key song by the Cars. Believe it or Not they released a new album in 2011. After that they were in hibernation. Their only activity was the 2015 and 2016 nominations. They were inducted in 2018. The Cars were inducted by Brandon Flowers of the Killers. The Cars perform My Best Friend's Girl, You Might Think, Moving in Stereo and Just What I needed. The Cars are a key band of the 80s. They deserve to be inducted. That's it on the Cars. Let's Go guys bring on your takes and opinions

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/11/2021 @ 05:57am


On The Cars Ben's RRHOF Series.
I was surprised The Cars were inducted into the RRHOF. They had a more loyal legion of rock fans and reverence in the industry than I believed. Like Counting Crows, Hootie & The Blowfish, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc, The Cars had a monster early album in their careers. Classic Rock staples. My FAV song from that album was Just What I Needed. I liked Ben Orr's voice better than Ric Ocasek's. It's a great song start to finish. Both of these Cars singers are in Heaven now. My Best Friend's Girl is another song that stands out.
The Cars remind me of The Police writing both creative and intelligent songs. Each member of The Cars was important to the music. Fitting together like hand to glove. I mean is there a more underrated guitarist than Elliott Easton. He can really shine like in Just What I Needed and Shake It Up. You never hear Easton mentioned with the guitar God's. That's a shame.
My first real exposure to The Cars was after the Shake It Up album. I must have been 7. Still very young to process things. They really had good vocal harmonies though Benjamin and Ric shared the lead singing duties. I could see in Shake It Up it had a poppier sound. I would put Shake It Up in my Top 10 The Cars songs. Since You're Gone I also thought was a strong song. Loved the beginning tapping leading into it.
Heartbeat City is when I really 1st listened to The Cars. I was more of a Bryan Adams, Def Leppard, and U2 fan. Now I was 10 and could give them a fairer shake. The Cars had raised their music video game and Magic and You Might Think were good examples of this. Those songs and videos and were on heavy MTV rotation. The beautiful Orr song "Drive" is 1 that is memorable. It's 1 of the 1st things that springs to mind about The Cars. Very emotional and heartfelt song. It leaves an impression on the listener.
I would say Tonight She Comes is 1 of my FAV The Cars song. There's a beautiful model in the video and some of Ric's playful antics. Easton has a nice solo in this plus some great vocal harmonies.
By the late 1980's, The Cars had finished up after a decade plus of memorable songs and dozens of concerts. They later regrouped and I remember Benjamin Orr with his The Cars bandmates talking in kind of a documentary type deal. Orr was very weak and gaunt fighting the pancreatic cancer that would soon take his life. I remember thinking about his bravery and courage talking about The Cars in his condition. You could tell The Cars were like brothers and good friends. Good men too. They had a wonderful spirit about them and some humor.
In finality, The Cars were probably a band that I would have listened to more if I was 14 or 15 in 1978. Instead, I was only 3 or 4 at the time. The Cars were Masters in Musicology combining bass, drums, guitars, synthesizers, and vocals. Exciting, fresh sounds in new ways. I wasn't a fan of Ric Ocasek's voice early listening to music. It was probably my fault to not give their music more notice. That happens sometimes. All The Cars were master musicians. Any 1 of them could have dropped out and created a successful band. It's credit to the band Easton, Hawkes, Ocasek, Orr, Robinson for remaining together and creating wonderful songs. I dont know what the future holds for The Cars. Ocasek and Orr were so instrumental and vital in the group's success. The Cars influenced several later groups. The Killers stand out as one. One thing is for certain...The Cars are immortalized in the RRHOF. They never will be forgotten. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 04/11/2021 @ 09:00am


Ben,

My favorite part of the 2018 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony had undoubtedly been the induction of the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe as an early influence. Brittany Howard's induction of her icon had been quite extraordinary for both her induction speech and her performance of 'That's All.' I only wish that they had included the other performance of 'Strange Things Happening Everyday.'

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/11/2021 @ 12:26pm


Enig,
Excellent response on Sister Rosetta Tharpe. I expected you to mention Sister Rosetta Tharpe. I had hardly heard of her until she was Nominated in Late 2017. She was nominated as a Performer. That I felt was a mistake based on the era she is from. I read about her at the time. and found she goes back to the 1940s. I did not have HBO for a couple years. That was one of the years I didn't. I watched excerpts on You Tube. That's what I did for 2017 and 2018. I watched very little of the Sister Rosetta Tharpe tribute. I couldn't find much on You Tube. I'll try again. It was done by Brittany Howard of the Alabama Shakes. I remember vividly that you posted on here 3 years ago that you loved the speech and Performance by Brittany Howard. It's also interesting that you loved the Sister Rosetta Tharpe segment a lot. It is Not Prog in any way. I guess this proves you dig stuff other than Prog.
Also interesting that you liked it better than the Moody Blues performance that particular night. Moody Blues was the big moment we waited for. But actually In Modern times the Moody Blues sometimes sing off key. Maybe that's your thinking. You may want to explain that. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/11/2021 @ 17:56pm


Ben,

It is true that the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe's Music is not necessarily prog, but her music had incorporated elements of jazz and other influences and as such, would probably have been deemed "progressive" at that particular time. So in my honest opinion, not only is the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe- the "godmother" of Rock & Roll, but she is also the grandmother of "prog."

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/11/2021 @ 18:49pm


An updated list of the most certified bands in America who are not in the Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors Like with the inclusion of albums, EP's, standard singles, digital singles, ringtones, and video albums.

Maroon 5- 90 Million


Linkin Park- 63.6 Million


Florida Georgia Line- 53.5 Million


Twenty One Pilots- 51 Million


Alabama- 46.8 Million


Foreigner- 45.5 Million


Panic! At The Disco- 41 Million


The Chicks- 40.8 Million

Train- 40.5 Million 


Coldplay- 37.6 Million


Rascal Flatts- 34.7 Million


Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million


Fall Out Boy- 33 Million


Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million


Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million


Boston- 31 Million


Imagine Dragons- 30 Million


The Carpenters- 29.6 Million


Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million 


Nickelback- 27.8 Million


Motley Crue- 26.8 Million


REO Speedwagon- 26 Million


Creed- 26 Million


3 Doors Down- 25.8 Million


Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million


OneRepublic- 24 Million


Sade- 23.5 Million


Dan + Shay 23.5 Million

Kansas- 23 Million


Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million


The Fray- 22.5 Million

No Doubt- 22.1 Million


Paramore- 22 Million


Fun- 22 Million


Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million


Daughtry- 20 Million


Three Days Grace- 20 Million


Casting Crowns- 18.5 Million


The Monkees- 18 Million


Shinedown- 17.55 Million


Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million


Styx- 17.5 Million


Korn- 17.25 Million


Limp Bizkit- 17 Million


Bad Company- 16.65 Million


Disturbed- 16.5 Million


Breaking Benjamin- 16.5 Million


Sugarland- 16 Million


INXS- 16 Million


Wings- 16 Million


Poison- 15.750 Million


Toto- 15.5 Million


Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million


Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million


The Offspring- 15 Million


The Cranberries- 15 Million


Foster the People- 15 Million


Evanescence- 15 Million


The Band Perry- 14.5 Million


Duran Duran- 14 Million


Skillet- 14 Million


My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million

MercyMe- 13.6 Million

Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million

Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million

Counting Crows- 13 Million

Whitesnake- 12.650 Million


The Killers- 12.6 Million


Old Dominion- 12.5 Million


Survivor- 12.5 Million


Blink 182- 12.1 Million


Live- 12 Million


Owl City- 12 Million


Godsmack- 11.6 Million


The Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million


Little Big Town- 11.5 Million


Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million


Savage Garden- 11.5 Million


Judas Priest- 11.1 Million


Scorpions- 11.1 Million


All American Rejects- 11.1 Million


Loverboy- 11 Million


Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million


Three Dog Night- 11 Million


X Ambassadors- 11 Million


5 Seconds of Summer- 11 Million


Slipknot- 10.7 Million


Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million


38 Special- 10.5 Million


Florence & the Machine- 10.5 Million


Bush- 10.5 Million


Muse- 10.5 Million


Men at Work- 10.5 Million


The Black Keys- 10.5 Million

The Lumineers- 10.5 Million

Theory Of A Deadman- 10.5 Million 

Staind - 10.05 Million


Sublime- 10 Million


Clean Bandit- 10 Million

The Neighborhood - 10 Million

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 04/11/2021 @ 22:22pm


I now come to Nina Simone. the Next Inductee for the 2018 Ceremony. She was the next Segment at the 2018 Ceremony. She brought extra diversity to this class. I like her music. She is known a lot for Jazz, Blues and Soul. Nina Simone was inducted as a Regular performer. and since she rose to fame in the 1960s.it makes sense. Nina Simone came out of nowhere with a nomination in late 2017. I did Not predict her to be inducted when she was on the ballot. I figured there would not be 2 60s/early 70s acts at the same time. We knew the Moody Blues would be one but a lot of us didn't expect a 2nd act from that earlier time. Her induction was a complete surprise to me. She certainly deserves the induction.
Nina Simone was born and raised in North Carolina. She was tutored in Classical at a young age. Early on she adopted the stage name Nina Simone. She became a singer at a bar to get started.
n 1964, Simone to signed a deal with Philips, and Simone began addressing issues of social justice in her music, penning songs such as "Mississippi Goddam," "Four Women," and "Young, Gifted and Black," the latter inspired by the work of her friend and mentor Lorraine Hansberry. Simone also enjoyed a British hit in 1964 with "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood," and while the record didn't fare as well in the United States, a year later the Animals would take the song to the Top 10 on both sides of the Atlantic. Simone would next hit the British charts with her cover of I Put a Spell on You.

In 1967, after recording seven albums for Philips, Simone struck a new deal with RCA Records, and while her first album for her new label, Nina Simone Sings the Blues, was strictly a collection of blues standards, her subsequent work for RCA found Simone focusing on contemporary pop, rock, and soul material, much of which dealt with topical themes and progressive philosophies (1969's To Love Somebody featured no fewer than three Bob Dylan tunes). Simone's 1968 cover of "Ain't Got No/I Got Life" (from the musical Hair) was a major chart hit in the U.K., and Simone would focus her energies on her European career when she left the United States in 1970, initially settling in Barbados and divorcing her husband and manager. Simone's exile was prompted by her increasing disillusionment with American politics, as well as her refusal to pay income taxes as a protest against U.S. involvement in Vietnam, though recording sessions and concert dates would occasionally bring her back to the United States. In the 1970's she Traveled a lot.
After several more years of travel, Simone released a live album in 1985 and another concert set, Let It Be Me, was issued by Verve in 1987. In 1989, something interesting happened. Simone was invited by Pete Townshend to sing the song "Fast Food" on his concept album The Iron Man, which also featured John Lee Hooker. Simone's autobiography I Put a Spell on You was published in 1990, and after a successful United States concert tour, she was signed by Elektra Records, which released the album A Single Woman in 1993.I have not heard this album/ I will check it out. My favorite songs from Nina Simone are Mississippi Goddam, I Put a Spell on You, Four Women and Feeling Good. I did not grow up listening to Nina Simone but I knew her way before her induction. I think I first heard a couple song of hers in my 30s. I know Simone because I listen to a lot of Jazz.
Nina Simone was inducted in 2018. She is very deserved for the Hall. Mary J Blige inducted Nina Simone. Nina Simone's brother Sam accepted the award. There was a fine tribute to Nina Simone. The highlights were I Put a Spell on You done by Andra Day and Ain't Got No, I Got Life done by Lauren Hill. I am not a big fan of Lauren Hill but she gave a dynamite performance for Nina Simone at this ceremony. Stay tuned for the legendary group that Headlined. Comments Guys!! Go for it

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/12/2021 @ 05:14am


I have seen a youtube video of Ms. Tharpe playing in England outdoors at a train station. She has this big electric guitar on & she is playing the absolute crap out of it, all while belting out a tune. Dressed like she was going to church. Video in black & white.

Man, I wish I had been able to see her back in the day.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 04/12/2021 @ 06:39am


I now come to the Headliners for the 2018 Ceremony. It's the Moody Blues! I waited years for the Moody Blues to be inducted. I predicted them every year on this site until they were finally nominated and Inducted. . That moment came with the 2018 class. The Committee realized they could not hold them back anymore. They are one of my favorite groups of all time. Even my father knew I loved the Moody Blues. I played them for him when I was a teenager. My Father's favorite music was always Classical music. My Father was intrigued by the mix of Classical and Rock. On his own he'd heard the name along with lots of other key Rock groups. My Father grew up in the 1940's so he did Not know much about Rock music. I told my Father in early 2018 that the Moody Blues were inducted into the RR Hall of Fame. He knew I followed the Hall a lot. 2018 Ceremony was the last Ceremony he was live. He died a few months later. The Moody Blues are in my Top 10 of favorite acts.
The Moody Blues can be credited with creating Progressive Rock. They were one of the biggest snubs in History for the Hall. They should have been in at least 20 years earlier. They are famous for their profound psychedelic era albums, but they the Moody Blues as one of the better early British Invasion bands. They came from Birmingham, England. Go Now was released in Late 1964. They were an opening act for the Beatles on their 1965 tour. 2 members ,Clint Warwick and Denny Laine left the band in 1966. The group forged on with Ray Thomas, Mike Pinder and Graeme Edge. John Lodge and Justin Hayward joined. They began building a new sound with a light psychedelic style.
in 1966. Decca Records was trying to an LP that would serve as a showcase, using a pop/rock done in a classical style. This led to the famous sound of the Moody Blues. The proposed project, which was to be a rock version of Dvorák's New World Symphony. Instead, they were somehow able to convince the Decca producers involved that the proposed adaptation was wrongheaded, and to deliver something else. The result was the album, Days of Future Passed.

The record's mix of rock and classical sounds was new, and at first puzzled the record company, which didn't know how to market it, but eventually the record was issued, first in England and later in America. It became a hit in England, featuring the single "Nights in White Satin" (authored and sung by Hayward), which made the Top 20 in the U.K.; in America, the chosen single was another Hayward song, "Tuesday Afternoon." All of it hooked directly into the aftermath of the Summer of Love, and the LP was -- totally accidentally -- timed perfectly to fall into the hands of listeners who were looking for an orchestral/psychedelic recording to follow works such as the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Better still, the band still had a significant backlog of excellent psychedelic-themed songs to draw on. Their debt wiped out and their music now in demand, they went to work with a follow-up record quickly and delivered In Search of the Lost Chord (1968), which was configured somewhat differently from its predecessor. Though Decca was excited with the sales results of Days of Future Passed and the singles, and assigned Clarke and Varnals to work with them in the future, the label wasn't willing to schedule full-blown orchestral sessions again. And having just come out of a financial hole, the group wasn't about to go into debt again financing such a recording.

The solution to the problem of accompaniment came from Mike Pinder, and a Mellotron. Using tape heads activated by the touch of keys, and tape loops comprised of the sounds of horns, strings, etc., the instrument generated an eerie, orchestra-like sound. Introduced at the start of the '60s as a potential rival to the Hammond organ, the Mellotron had worked its way into rock music slowly, in acts such as the Graham Bond Organisation, and had emerged with success on Beatles' records such as "Strawberry Fields Forever" and, more recently, "I Am the Walrus"; during that same year, in a similar supporting capacity, it would also turn up on the Rolling Stones' Their Satanic Majesties Request. As it happened, Pinder was very good at the Mellotron.


In Search of the Lost Chord (1968) put the Mellotron in the spotlight, and it quickly became a part of their signature sound. The album, so beautiful and steeped in a strange mix of British stylr ("Dr. Livingston I Presume") and deep Eastern-oriented songs ("Visions of Paradise," "Om"), also introduced one psychedelic-era anthem, "Legend of a Mind"; authored by Ray Thomas and using the name of LSD guru Timothy Leary in its lyric and choruses. Days of Future Passed and In Search of the Lost Chord are 2 of my favorite albums. These album and its follow-up, 1969's On the Threshold of a Dream, were magnificent achievements, utilizing their multi-instrumental skills and the full capability of the studio in overdubbing voices, instruments, etc. But in the process of making those two LPs, the group found that they'd put themselves into a corner as performing musicians -- thanks to overdubbing, those albums were essentially the work of 15 or 20 Moody Blues, not a quintet, and they were unable to re-create their sound properly in concert. I will have much more on the Moody Blues. You guys often wait until I start covering an artist to Reflect and Comment. Well go ahead!

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 06:09am


Ben,

As I have previously mentioned many times in several webpages on this site and elsewhere, The Moody Blues are third on my list of favorite bands, after Rush and Yes. When Philip remarked that The Moody Blues had been influential on all prog rock, I tend to agree. Unfortunately, many rock music critics would like to downplay the importance of The Moody Blues, which is a huge mistake and had probably led to their 28 year absence from the Rock Hall. Prior to Rush's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson had endorsed four bands which should have already been in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame: The Moody Blues, Yes, King Crimson and Deep Purple, due to their influence on Rush.

Well, what do you think so far?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 10:04am


Ben,

As I have previously mentioned many times in several webpages on this site and elsewhere, The Moody Blues are third on my list of favorite bands, after Rush and Yes. In his "Rock Hall Monitor's blog," Philip had remarked in 2017 that The Moody Blues had been influential on all prog rock. I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. Unfortunately, many rock music critics would like to downplay the importance of The Moody Blues, relegating them to being a proto-prog band and dismissing their overall importance, which is a huge mistake and had probably led to their 28 year absence from the Rock Hall. Prior to Rush's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson had endorsed four bands which should have already been in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame: The Moody Blues, Yes, King Crimson and Deep Purple, due to their huge influence on Rush. I will elaborate more on The Moody Blues impact later this week.

Well, what do you think so far?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 10:15am


I thought Bon Jovi was the headliners?

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 10:22am


Plebian,
A lot of people think that Bon Jovi was the Headliner. As a huge Moody Blues fan I remember very clearly that HBO re arranged the real line up that happened. Bon Jovi in real life opened. If you want to check Google 2018 RR Hall Real time. Or a lot of other reviews. For some reason for Ratings and sales HBO edited the whole line up to make Bon Jovi appear last. This makes Bon Jovi seem like the Headliner. You don't have to believe me. Just google it. I like all kinds of Rock and music. I like Bon Jovi too. It's because in Modern times Bon Jovi is more Modern than the Moody Blues. It is False that Bon Jovi were the headliners. I'll give you time to Google. A few of us know this story

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 11:24am


I will continue with the Moody Blues. I'm going to continue their history with the beginning of the 1970's. From their album To Our Children's Children's Children -- only one song, the guitar-driven "Gypsy," ever worked on-stage. Beginning with A Question of Balance (1970), the group specifically recorded songs in arrangements that they could play in concert, stripping down their sound a bit They were able to do most of that album and their next record, Every Good Boy Deserves Favour, on-stage, with impressive results. By that time, all five members of the band were composing songs, and each had his own identity, Pinder the impassioned mystic, Lodge the rocker, Edge the poet, Thomas the playful mystic, and Hayward the romantic -- all had contributed significantly to their repertoire, though Hayward tended to have the biggest share of the group's hits, and his songs often occupied the lead-off spot on their albums.

In the midst of all of a lot of activity, the members, finally slowing down and enjoying the fruits of their success, had reached a height. As they recorded their new album, Seventh Sojourn (1972), the strain of touring and recording steadily for five years had taken its toll. Good songs were becoming more difficult to deliver and record, and cutting that album had proved nearly impossible. The public never saw the problems, and its release earned them their best reviews to date and was accompanied by a major international tour, and the sales and attendance were huge. Once the tour was over, however, it was announced that the group was going on hiatus -- they wouldn't work together again for five years. Hayward and Lodge recorded a very successful duet album, Blue Jays (1975), which I don't own. I heard it. Threshold was the label for the Moodys in the 70s and the label even maintained a small catalog of other artists, including Trapeze and Providence. I heard the names vaguely. That's it for Now. More on the Moody Blues later on

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 11:57am


Since it's closer to the deadline every day, I'm surprised there aren't any predictions from watchers with blogs lately.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 12:47pm


I've been busy with professional development and work-related stuff, but expect a predictions blog by the end of this weekend or early next week at the latest.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 13:13pm


Maybe more watchers are starting to realize both the kiosk and fan ballot are rigged, which was ruined by out of touch idiots who hate their own costumers like how Disney hates the Star Wars fanbase despite owning the rights of the IP. The next class will be another commercial failure like the last one and boycotts will continued to be successful. Motley Crue and Dave Matthews Band are still more important than bands with no to little radio play. Capitalism is what keeps amusement attractions alive. When you do things only for yourselves publicly, you lose money and go bankrupt.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 13:28pm


Back when, I used the artists on The Dude's list and put them in the order in which they would be old enough. I think I'll do that again! By the way, last time I did this, Maroon 5 had sold over 100 million records, but now they've only sold 90? What's the deal there The Dude?

1.Maroon 5- 2027

2.Linkin Park- 2025

3.Florida Georgia Line- 2035

4.Twenty One Pilots- 2034

5.Alabama- Already Old Enough

6.Foreigner- Already Old Enough

7.Panic! At The Disco- 2030

8.The Chicks- Already Old Enough

9.Train- 2024

10.Coldplay- 2023

11.Rascal Flatts- 2025

12.Dave Matthews Band- AOE

13.Fall Out Boy- 2027

14.Zac Brown Band- 2029

15.Brooks & Dunn- AOE

16.Boston- AOE

17.Imagine Dragons- 2034

18.The Carpenters- AOE

19.Lady Antebellum- 2032

20.Nickelback- AOE

21.Motley Crue- AOE

22.REO Speedwagon- AOE

23.Creed- 2022

24.3 Doors Down- 2025

25.Hootie & the Blowfish- AOE

26.OneRepublic- 2032

27.Sade- AOE

28.Dan + Shay Not on this site.

29.Kansas- AOE

30.Matchbox Twenty- AOE

31.The Fray- 2028

32.No Doubt- AOE

33.Paramore- 2031 (Oddly enough, they weren't on the list at all last year.)

34.Fun- 2034

35.Smashing Pumpkins- AOE

36.Daughtry- 2031

37.Three Days Grace- 2038

38.Casting Crowns- Not on this site

39.The Monkees- AOE

40.Shinedown- 2028

41.Stone Temple Pilots- AOE

42.Styx- AOE

43.Korn- AOE

44.Limp Bizkit- AOE

45.Bad Company- AOE

46.Disturbed- 2025

47.Breaking Benjamin- 2027

48.Sugarland- 2029

49.INXS- AOE

50.Wings- AOE

51.Poison- AOE

52.Toto- AOE

53.Alice In Chains- AOE

54.Foo Fighters- AOE

55.The Offspring- AOE

56.The Cranberries- AOE

57.Foster the People- 2035

58.Evanescence- 2023

59.The Band Perry- 2034

60.Duran Duran- AOE

61.Skillet- AOE

62.My Chemical Romance- 2027

63.MercyMe- Not on this site

64.Mumford & Sons- 2023

65.Huey Lewis & the News- AOE

66.Counting Crows- AOE

67.Whitesnake- AOE

68.The Killers- 2029

69.Old Dominion- Not on this site

70.Survivor- AOE

71.Blink 182- AOE

72.Live- AOE

73.Owl City- 2032

74.Godsmack- 2024

75.The Jonas Bros- 2031

76.Little Big Town- 2027

77.Jethro Tull- AOE

78.Savage Garden- 2022

79.Judas Priest- AOE

80.Scorpions- AOE

81.All American Rejects- 2027

82.Loverboy- AOE

83.Grand Funk Railroad- AOE

84.Three Dog Night- AOE

85.X Ambassadors- Not on this site

86.5 Seconds of Summer- 2037

87.Slipknot- AOE

88.Cage The Elephant- 2032

89.38 Special- AOE

90.Florence & the Machine- 2033

91.Bush- AOE

92.Muse- 2023

93.Men at Work- AOE

94.The Black Keys- 2027

95.The Lumineers- 2038

96.Theory Of A Deadman- 2028

97.Staind - AOE

98.Sublime- AOE

99.Clean Bandit- 2036

100.The Neighborhood - 2038

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 13:53pm


@ Follower

The RIAA made a huge error on their website with Maroon 5's total. Worldwide, they sold over 120 million copies while they sold over 90 million here in America. I thought it was higher than that since, they're the most easy-listening band for almost two-decades straight, but they somehow screw it.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 14:07pm


So as I continue I will say that the Seventh Sojourn is another great album from the Moody Blues. I like slightly more than Every Good Boy Deserves Favour. Seventh Sojourn had more of an edge with New Horizons, For My Lady and Isn't Life Strange, And of course there is one of the most Hard Rockin songs they ever had, Singer in a Rock n'Roll Band. There was a retrospective called This is the Moody Blues that sold extremely Well.
The members had decided to reunite for the album Octave (1978). I Don't Know this album Very Well. But I've heard Steppin in a Slide Zone.
The group's next record, Long Distance Voyager (1981), was even more popular, though by this time a gap was beginning to develop between the band and the critical community. The reviews from critics (who'd seldom been amazed with the band even in its heyday) became ever more harsh, and although their hiatus had allowed the band to skip the punk era, they seemed just as out of step amid the MTV era and the rise of acts such as Madonna, the Pretenders, the Police, etc.. By 1981, they'd been tagged by most of the rock press with the label "dinosaurs," seemingly awaiting extinction. There were still decent-sized hits, such as "Gemini Dream," but the albums and a lot of the songwriting seemed increasingly to be a matter of their going through the motions of being a group -- psychedelia had given way to what was, apart from the occasional Lodge or Hayward single, rather soulless pop/rock. There were OK records, and the concerts drew well, mostly for the older songs, but there was not as much urgency about the new material. Sitting at the Wheel and Blue World were 2 rare good tunes from the early 80s period. .Great Moody Blues tunes were rare in this period.

That all changed a bit when one of them finally delivered a song so good that in its mere existence it begged to be recorded -- the Hayward-authored single "Your Wildest Dreams" (1986), an almost perfect successor to "Nights in White Satin" mixing romance, passion, and feelings of nostalgia with a melody that was gorgeous and instantly memorable (and with a great beat). The single -- along with its accompanying album, which was called Other Side of Life went into the Top 10. -- They were boosted up there by a superb promotional video of that song that suddenly gave the group at least a little contemporary pop/rock credibility. The follow-up, "I Know You're Out There Somewhere," was a lesser but still impressive commercial success, with an even better secondary melodic theme, and the two combined gave them an essential and memorable pair of mid-decade hits, boosting their concert attendance back up. And I saw them in concert back in 1988. They played at Jones Beach Theatre in New York.

By the end of the '80s, however, they were again perceived as a nostalgia act, but one with a huge audience -- a bit like the Grateful Dead without the critical respect or veneration. By that time, Patrick Moraz was gone and the core group was reduced to a quartet, with salaried keyboard players augmenting their work (along with a second drummer to back up Edge). They had also begun attracting fans by the tens of thousands to a new series of concerts, in which -- for the first time -- they performed with orchestras. Live at Red Rocks is a notable live album of theirs in the 90s. I have never gotten around to owning that. Some of my favorite Moody Blues albums are Days of Future Passed, In Search of the Lost Chord, On the Threshold of a Dream, To Our Children's Children's Children and Seventh Sojourn. Ray Thomas died in Jan. 2018, a few months prior to their scheduled induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in April 2018. Ann Wilson had the honor of inducting the Moody Blues. She gave a very nice Speech. Ann Wilson described them as a kick ass band. The Moodys go onstage to accept their inductions into the Hall. Then the Moody Blues perform live. They played I'm Just a Singer, Then they belted out Wildest Dreams, followed by Nights in White Satin and Ride My See Saw. I know I will hear more from Enig and from others. I like Enig's ranking of albums from his favorite bands. It's very possible he will, I think I will hear from King, K-Dawg and others on Moody Blues and 2018 class in general. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/13/2021 @ 15:00pm


In case anyone's interested, I got my merits evaluation up today. Difficult choices.

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 04/14/2021 @ 23:17pm


In my Opinion I think the 2018 Rock and Roll Hall of Fane Ceremony had been Cool and Spectacular. I enjoyed the segment of Bon Jovi. It wasn't there best Performance of all time but they were represented Very well at the Ceremony. You are one of those who knows they re arranged the order. I thought the Cars played well. It may have been one of the last performances by Rick Ocasek.
I feel the tribute to Nina Simone was terrific.
But of course the Moody Blues induction was a triumphant moment. How did you feel about the Moody Blues performance? I did like the whole entire segment of the Moody Blues' Induction. I'm so glad the Moody Blues are finally inducted. 2018 is one of the best ones I have seen so far.

This is my Overall Ratings of the 2018 class:
Bon Jovi(***1/2)(8.5)
The Cars(****)(9,25)
Dire Straits(****)(9.5)
The Moody Blues(****)(9.75)
Nina Simone(****)(9)

You need to let me know of you have been rating the Artist itself or the PERFORMANCES? Let me know
Well what do you think?

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/15/2021 @ 07:48am


Great post, Phillip! Thank you for sharing it. Sure enjoyed reading it :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 04/15/2021 @ 11:37am


Thanks Philip! I always look forward to your I-5 analysis, it's one of my favorite parts of Rock Hall season.

Now when is the 2020 songs of proof?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/15/2021 @ 13:13pm


Eddie Trunk's 2021 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Ballot

Iron Maiden
Foo Fighters
Rage Against The Machine
New York Dolls
Devo

https://player.siriusxm.com/now-playing

https://twitter.com/EddieTrunk/status/1382733427024261129

https://twitter.com/siriusxmvolume/status/1382748052415414278

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 04/15/2021 @ 15:06pm


Foo Fighters the last great rock n roll band? Who thought up that idiotic title? They're a great band for sure, but rock has endured well beyond the 25 years since their debut immensely with new bands and othe factors

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/15/2021 @ 16:15pm


Yes, let us forget about the garage rock revival of the 2000s and the prominent indie rock scene like The White Stripes, Arcade Fire, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Strokes, etc. People act like rock died in the 2000s, but they themselves are trying to revise music history by continuing that statement. I keep forgetting the voters are as lazy if not worse than Academy Award voters because wow the voters I'm seeing can't make up their damn mind. Eddie Trunk and critics of the Rock Hall have some serious hypocrisy going on lately. They hate the Hall, yet still vote what gives?

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 04/15/2021 @ 16:47pm


Y'all can blame Gene Simmons for dubbing FF as the "last great rock band." While not all of them from the 2000's are Hall Material, but there are a lot of great and important bands that came after Foo Fighters; Deftones, System of a Down, Linkin Park, Slipknot, Queens of The Stone Age, the White Stripes, The Black Keys, The Storkes, Paramore, My Chemical Romance, LCD Soundsystem, Bring Me The Horizon, Babymetal, Killswitch Engage and the Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs are a must for an induction years from now. The "rock is dead" statement is nothing but a meme and also a cliche used in journalism since either the late 60's or 70's.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/15/2021 @ 17:15pm


Since everyone is doing it, I might as well tell who I would vote for on the ballot.

1. Rage Against The Machine-

An important act in the development of Nu Metal that combined elements of hard rock and funk. Their politics may be wary, but true to their word is something I can respect. Zack and Tom create a fantastic combo with Brad and Tim getting some love there. I say they were one of the biggest bands of the 90s despite their short-lived run.

2. Fela Kuti

The Nigerian chad that created the Afrobeat genre. His musical composition is fierce and proves Rock N' Roll as a spirit, not a limited genre. The unlikely underdog of the 2021 ballot that may shake up a very white bread ballot.

3. New York Dolls

Glam Rock pioneers that brought that style to the U.S.. Like Roxy Music and T. Rex, NYD combined the genre in Stones and proto-punk fashion. David Johansson, Sylvain Sylvain, Arthur 'Killer' Kane, Johnny Thunders, and Jerry Nolan also give some of the most badass names of rock stars too.

4. Iron Maiden

Whether you like Bruce or Paul, there is no denying the staying power and full throttle madness that is Iron Maiden. Maiden helped shape Heavy Metal in the 80s with the likes of Metallica, Slayer, and Megadeth. Never having a single song on the Billboard charts, they still managed a presence and gain legion of fans across the world. The band pioneered in marketing with creating the band mascot Eddie the Head and other merchandise endeavors like video games, figures, t-shirts, etc..
(IMO Maiden > Priest)

5. Jay-Z

They don't call him Jay-Z for nothing. An MC that helped elevate the rap genre in the 2000s, he ended the west and east coast wars. He may not have the popularity he did back then, yet every rapper in the game knows and pays their respect to him. He got 99 Problems, but he ain't one son!

If 6:
Devo

If 7:
Kate Bush

(I still love you Foos, but maybe next time! One day people will appreciate you.)

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 04/15/2021 @ 21:33pm


It doesn't surprise me that it's out of gene Simmons ' geriatric piehole. Kiss was a great band in terms of presentation and a dedicated fanbase, but there are about 500 performers/groups in front of them when you're talking about the best musical acts ever...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/15/2021 @ 23:32pm


K-Dawg, RG, Michael W., The Dude, Casper, etc.

If you were a Hall voter what would your picks be and why?

And also...

Your thoughts on my choices?

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 04/16/2021 @ 02:52am


Enig, King, K-Dawg and others,

I haven't heard from you guys the last few days. I am certainly figuring on a few comments with the Moody Blues. I know they are one of Enig's favorite groups of all time. They are in a Trinity of Prog Rock along with Rush and Yes. Hey this means the trinity are now in the Hall. I am Not a prog fanatic like Enig perhaps but I know my share. I am much more in with the Prog circle than Punk. I was Not huge on Punk even during its Heyday. I was at odds with it. I was huge a fan of Pink Floyd, Moody Blues and Yes during that same period. I discovered Moody Blues around 15. But I was also into a lot of Rod Stewart, Billy Joel, Randy Newman and Warren Zevon. Those are rather calm nice artists

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/16/2021 @ 04:54am


If I were a Hall voter, my ballot would be:

1. LL Cool J

The only artist I'm really pulling for this year. For me, he's the current biggest snub, so I'd vote for him on pretty much any ballot. An absolute key figure in the evolution and popularity of hip-hop. Unfortunately, I don't expect him to actually receive induction this year.

2. Carole King

Like many, I always thought she should have been in as an artist a long time ago. Tapestry's legacy speaks for itself, but she had a few hits from other albums as well.

3. Jay-Z

Easily one of the most successful, recognizable and impactful artists of the last 30 years.

4. Iron Maiden

Not a huge fan, but they're an elite level metal band with a dedicated fan base and oodles of influence.

5. Rage Against The Machine

There are quite a few 90's bands I'd like to see go in before them, but on this ballot they make the cut. Not a large discography, but what they produced was very distinctive and noteworthy.

Also considered: Fela Kuti (It would be fun if he got in, but I get it if he doesn't), Foo Fighters (Definitely deserving but I can't put them in on the first ballot), Tina Turner (More for what she represents than for her actual catalog of recorded material, which is kinda weak), Mary J. Blige (Very deserving, but just a little too soon for her IMO), and Kate Bush (Innovation and influence in spades).

No one else really came close to being considered for me, and there are a few that I wouldn't vote for under any circumstances.

Plebian,

I can't argue with your ballot, even though LL Cool J isn't on it. You give good reasons for your choices and I don't have any problem with the ones you chose. As we've discussed before, this batch of nominees doesn't really do it for me, so while I'm very interested to see who gets in, I'm not super excited about many of them.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 04/16/2021 @ 08:48am


For the purposes of the ballot, my picks personally would be (not who I am predicting, mind you):

Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
The Go-Gos
Carole King
Todd Rundgren

AND I would write in Kraftwerk. The bozos running this show can't even get the most glaring omission right.

A bunch of these guys I consider worthy, but the RRHOF has made the mistake time and again of electing certain groups before their influences go in.

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 04/16/2021 @ 09:08am


If I was an actual voter, these would be my picks:

Foo Fighters
Rage Against The Machine
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 04/16/2021 @ 09:34am


Ben,

I had worked 12.0 hours yesterday, in addition to taking a break for 1.3 hours, in order to receive my first vaccination. So, please do not expect me to respond until tomorrow at the earliest.

Thank you.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/16/2021 @ 10:05am


Thought I would throw in my thoughts.
Who I would induct
Kate Bush
Devo
Foo Fighters
The Go Gos
Todd Rundgren
who I think will get in
JayZ
Tina Turner
Carole King
Foo Fighters
Rage Against the Machine
Iron Maiden
What about Wolfman Jack in the non performers category?

Posted by EricP on Friday, 04/16/2021 @ 12:04pm


If I had a ballot I would vote for.

Carole King
The Go-Go's
Kate Bush
Tina Turner
Chaka Khan

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 04/16/2021 @ 12:10pm


If I was a voter, I would vote for:

LL Cool J
Jay Z
Dionne Warwick
Iron Maiden
Mary J. Blige

If 6: Tina Turner

If 7: Fela Kuti

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 04/16/2021 @ 12:42pm


Three weeks left until the Hall of Fame announces their inductees.

My predictions:
Tina Turner is likely because they'll need a major female act
Todd Rundgren will act as the singer-songwriter
Mary J. Blige is just a rapper
Jay-Z will act as the major act
RATM is another rap act
LL Cool J is another rap act
New York Dolls because they were wanting more glam rock

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 04/16/2021 @ 14:55pm


Garrus,

Um...buddy...look up rap. You've been exposed to it for nearly 40 years if you are as much of a music follower as most of us. If you think Mary J. Blige is rap, you are woefully ignorant. One could also argue that's stereotyping, but this isn't the place for such a deal. RATM arguably IS rap-rock, so at least you're half right.

As for your predictions, you make yourself sound like one of these "rock purists" that are maligned, and usually rightly so, for their myopic and narrowminded definition of the beautiful tapestry and genre that is rock and roll. It encompasses so many styles and themes that it has become almost universal in scope. Quit trying to pigeonhole it into a couple hundred artists whose songs you hear on repeat on classic rock stations all over the country

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 04/17/2021 @ 02:22am


Every year several artists who were on Alex's original prospects list get inducted since it first premiered after the class of 2016 was announced.

Inducted in 2017:
Journey (#15)
Yes (#10)
Electric Light Orchestra (#29)
Joan Baez (#46)

Inducted in 2018:
Bob Jovi (#91)
The Moody Blues (#1)
The Cars
Dire Straits (#9)
Nina Simone (#32)

Inducted in 2019:
Janet Jackson (#3)
Roxy Music (#48)
The Cure (#12)
The Zombies (#25)

Inducted in 2020:
T. Rex (#22)
The Doobie Brothers (#71)
Depeche Mode (#35)
Whitney Houston (#34)
Nine Inch Nails (#24)

10 of the nominees this year (Carole King, Iron Maiden, LL Cool J, Kate Bush, Tina Turner, Devo, Dionne Warwick, Rufus/Chaka Khan, New York Dolls and Fela Kuti) were on the original prospects list. But since Jay-Z and Foo Fighters are here, I'm expecting a possible repeat of 2017 where every non-FYE is from the list, if the Go-Go's get passed over.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 04/17/2021 @ 02:39am


King,
How are you with the Moody Blues. You are younger than me and Enig. So your experience may be more limited on the Moody Blues. This is only because of diminished airplay of Moody Blues on Rock Radio since the Middle 1990s. But you dig deep and they are a legendary group. I would say You know Tuesday Afternoon, Nights in White Satin, Story in Your Eyes and others. You were a teenager after me. My music tastes go way before the 80s. So do yours though even if you were little in the 1970s. I am curious what your thoughts are with the Moody Blues. They are one of my Favorite groups of all time. The Moody Blues certainly have a long career. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/17/2021 @ 04:59am


BEN
The 1st time I heard the Moody Blues was listening to Nights In White Satin on the radio. It was an incredible experience. I would say the early 1980's. Perfection and magic on a grand scale. I also remember listening to Gemini Dream (A KING FAV). Love that song. It's upbeat and I feel like I'm flying listening to it. In Your Wildest Dream is another FAV. The video was intelligent and moving. Strangely, I don't recall owning any Moody Blues CD's. I also stumbled on 1 of their concerts on Channel 13. They were having 1 of those drives on public TV. Very good concert. I saw a Fleetwoood Mac concert on their too around "The Dance" period. Honestly, I missed their "Golden Years" with the 1960's and early 1970's music. Moody Blues could rock out when they wanted to like I'm Just A Singer In A Rock And Roll Band. My FAV Moody Blues Songs would probably be:
1. Nights In White Satin
2. I'm Just A Singer In A Rock And Roll Band
3. Gemini Dream
4. In Your Wildest Dreams
I did support Moody Blues Nomination and Induction with Enig, yourself and several of the FRL Regulars. They have incredible longevity and their popularity continues from generation to generation. Also, master instrumentalists. I think Nights In White Satin is 1 of those Classic songs. Longevity is an important quality for me. Several bands can have a hit or two out of the gate. Can they sustain it? Will they survive the inevitable music style changes? Does the band fortify or splinter apart when adversity strikes? How does their catalog of songs hold up to other classic bands like The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Queen, The Who? My thinking if an artist has 12 (A Dozen) memorable songs...They deserve to be in the RRHOF consideration. It's why Lenny Kravitz is someone I think will be nominated soon. Moody Blues was an easy choice for RRHOF. Incredible Songs, Influential, Innovative, Longevity, Musical Excellence. An underrated quality is Generational Transference. A group's music is so good you see many generations of fans at the same concert. Great-Grandmas to small children. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 04/17/2021 @ 07:41am


SO FAR PUBLIC

5 Votes for Tina Turner
4 Votes for The Go-Go's
3 Votes for Jay-Z
3 Votes for Rage Against The Machine
2 Votes for Foo Fighters
2 Votes for New York Dolls
2 Votes for Iron Maiden
2 Votes for Carole King
2 Votes for Fela Kuti
2 Votes for Devo
1 Vote for Todd Rundgren
1 Vote for Chaka Khan
1 Vote for Kate Bush

Howard Stern Ballot

Carole King
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's
Rage Against The Machine
Foo Fighters

Roy Trakin Ballot

Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z

Evelyn McDonnell Ballot

Carole King
Tina Turner
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti
The Go-Go's

Sean Fennessey Ballot

Tina Turner
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
Rage Against The Machine
Jay-Z

Eddie Trunk Ballot

Iron Maiden
Foo Fighters
Rage Against The Machine
New York Dolls
Devo

Jason Hanley Ballot

Tina Turner
Iron Maiden
The Go-Go's
Devo
Jay-Z

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04/17/2021 @ 14:34pm


King,
Excellent response on Moody Blues. I wasn't sure about your experience with Moody Biues. I was rather sure you knew them well. I pictured you digging Nights in White Satin. Gemini Dream is Very good. I like your write up on the Moody Blues. They Certainly have Longevity. The Moodys have tended to fortify. They are a Classic band. One of the biggest snubs for a long time. They were one of the most Overdue acts.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/17/2021 @ 18:22pm


King,
I just want to say a bit more to you about the Moody Blues. I own a lot of cds by the Moody Blues but not as many as Enig. I recall a Moody Blues concert on Channel 13.I go beyond just favorite songs and have have favorite albums. My favorite Moody Blues albums are probably: 1, Days of Future Passed
2. Seventh Sojourn
3. In Search of the Lost Chord
4. Long Distance Voyager

Their catalog of songs hold up to other classic bands like The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Fleetwood Mac, The Who. The Moody Blues has 12 memorable songs...They deserve to be in the RRHOF consideration. It's why Lenny Kravitz is someone I think will be nominated soon. Moody Blues was an easy choice for RRHOF. Incredible Songs, Influential, Innovative, Longevity, Musical Excellence and yet took them over 20 extra years to be inducted. I saw them in concert back in 1988. Even by then there was a couple generations at the same concert from parents to small children at the concert and their longevity has continued since then. Their induction was a great triumph in 2018.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/18/2021 @ 05:49am


I do not think that I will never understand rock music critics. I have always felt that most of the time what they happen to like has always been the antithesis of what I like, so 'never the twain shall meet, or so to speak.' So, then back in early 1967, in the United Kingdom, The Beatles were working on their conceptual psychedelic masterpiece, "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band." Meanwhile, the original Pink Floyd had been creating some very strange psychedelic tunes on their debut album, "The Piper At the Gates Of Dawn.' Meanwhile, out of this strange cauldron of psychedelia, in California in the United States, arose proto- progressive artists such as: Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead and The Doors. However, most astonishing was what would come next, the birth of an entirely new musical genre which would marry baroque and classical music with jazz and rock and roll and this came about almost purely by accident. In the summer of 1967.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/18/2021 @ 22:03pm


Enigmaticus, I think we also need to give some credit to the short lived but precocius group of young men known as The Left Banke who released the "Baroque & Roll" classic Walk Away Renée in the summer of 1966 quickly followed by Pretty Ballerina. Anybody into this kind of music should check out their exquisite album Walk Away Renée/Pretty Ballerina released in early 1967.

Posted by joker on Sunday, 04/18/2021 @ 22:22pm


So the fan vote ends May 7. I was assuming that was when the inductees would be revealed. So when can we expect it now?

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 04/18/2021 @ 23:12pm


Enig,
I knew you were very busy including the fact that you got your first vaccination. It's good to see some write ups emerging. Yes, back in 1967 the Beatles were working on their psychedelic masterpiece "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band." And Meanwhile, the original Pink Floyd had been creating some very strange psychedelic tunes on their debut album, "The Piper At the Gates Of Dawn.' Also meanwhile, out of this strange mix of psychedelia, in California in the United States, arose way out artists such as: Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead and the Doors. However most astonishing is what would come next indeed, the birth of a whole new genre. which would mix classical music in general with jazz and rock. I do want to acknowledge what joker said. The Left Banke had a hit "Walk Away Renee" in the summer of 1966. I know the hit very well, It's one of the earlier hits of my life I like. My tastes go back to about 1966. I've never heard their album. But I will tell you that back around 1989 when I was a manager of a Used record shop in Queens one of the members of the Left Banke came into my store to shop for Used records. The guy told me he used to be a member of the Left Banke 1965-1967. Something around there. He had no reason to lie. Hwe was not telling me he was in the Grateful Dead or some other Famous 60s band. SO we talked a bit about combining Classical and Rock I recall. I am willing to say that the Left Banke and others around 1966 led to the musical genre also. But it was a more major band in Britain that popularized the sound. I will leave it to you to continue your history and review. I know where it leads.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/19/2021 @ 04:19am


So, what gave some of these artists the impetus to combine such strange sounds together? Three little letters-L.S.D. L.S.D. had first been synthesized by Swiss Chemist Albert Hofmann back in 1938, from ergot-a fungus that grows on rye and other grains. It is a hallucinogen and had been widely used by several "mind-expanding" rock musicians during the early to mid 1960's.

Meanwhile, a group named Procol Harum had released their single 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' on May 12, 1967. Then on June 8, 1967, the same day coincidentally that "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" had reached number one on the album chart, 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' had reached number one on the U.K. singles chart, thereby ushering in "The Summer of Love" in the United Kingdom. In my honest opinion, the precursor to 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' had definitely been 'Eleanor Rigby' by The Beatles, released on August 5, 1966.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04/19/2021 @ 09:21am


So, then let's now go back to the autumn of 1966 and examine those artists and songs which would help to inspire and often create the greatest genre of rock music ever known to mankind- progressive rock.

Well, what do you think so far?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04/19/2021 @ 10:16am


I think the history is terrific so far I like Prog Rock a lot more than Pure Psychedelic music. The Psychedelic era was pretty much over by 1969. But Prog has had a longevity that has lasted several decades. Autumn of 1966 was an important time for the Creation of a terrific genre. My Favorite band it all time is actually The Who. The Who released A Quick One. That was definitely heading In that direction. And Frank Zappa was emerging with interesting music at that time. I will NOT mention other names. I know where you are headed. Continue when you can.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/19/2021 @ 12:33pm


A quick thought on the Moody Blues. They were not part of my classic rock experience early. I never thought of them as such; their music seemed to be very melodic and hauntingly slow. That said, I was introduced to them, like much of the non-mainstream rock stuff in the 80s, by my aunt, one of a few relatives who loved "niche" stuff. "Nights In White Satin" is not a song you can bang your head to, but it is great in composition and a lyrical masterpiece. Its bigger album, Days of Future Past, also has what I consider my second favorite MB song after "Your Wildest Dreams", "Tuesday Afternoon". Definitely a pioneer of innovation and influence. I do see them as a direct sister act to Jethro Tull, who does belong without a doubt, although there are glaring omissions all over the place.

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 04/19/2021 @ 16:07pm


K Dawg,
Good to see you back on the chats for my Series. The Moody Blues are Top favorite group of mine and others on here. I'm much Older than you. I think. Soo the Moody Blues were part of my Classic Rock experience. Heyy I'm 56. I was introduced to them by several friends of mine. They were key in the early part of my Era. Nights In White is certainly not a song to bang your head to. Lyrical masterpiece is a great way to put it. Nice to see you pick Tuesday Afternoon as one of your favorite MB songs. You probably like I'm Just a singer in a Rock n' Roll Band too. They are definitely pioneers

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/19/2021 @ 20:30pm


So guys, (The Dude, Paul in KY, K-Dawg, Michael W., Greg F) I was counting our votes (including mine) and this would be the class of 2021. Additional 6th and 7th will not count.

1st- Iron Maiden (5 votes)
2nd- Jay-Z (4 votes)
3rd- Rage Against The Machine (3 votes)
4th- The Go-Go's (3 votes)
5th- Carole King (3 votes)

If we combined this with official ballot voters that submitted theirs so far...
1st- Tina Turner (7 votes)
2nd- Jay-Z (7 votes)
3rd- Iron Maiden (7 votes)
4th- The Go-Go's (7 votes)
5th- Rage Against The Machine (6 votes)



What is your thoughts everyone? Satisfied or unsatisfied? Good class or mediocre class?

Pretty neat huh?

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 04/20/2021 @ 02:10am


RG, KING, Nick, Ben, Enig, Garrus, etc. would you mind giving your votes? I forgot to add your "official" ballots to the total too.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 04/20/2021 @ 02:16am


Never mind that comment I was thinking too stupid :-/

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 04/20/2021 @ 02:21am


KING'S BALLOT 2021 RRHOF.
1. IRON MAIDEN
2. TINA TURNER
3. THE GO-GO'S
4. FOO FIGHTERS
5. LL COOL J

I think LL Cool J is very deserving. Don't understand why he can't get the votes. He's a nice-looking man. Plus, he's in the public eye with acting and music over the years. It's not like he's in hiding or something. His songs had crossover appeal and 1 of rap's 1st big stars. Also, I'd like to see Iron Maiden inducted because they are definitely deserving and maybe can break some of this metal logjam. Tina Turner is loved by men and women alike. She exudes a coolness and sensual vibe few possess. Private Dancer was an amazing album. I agree with some that her total solo discography doesn't measure up to some of the HOF greats inducted. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 04/20/2021 @ 07:56am


Plebian,

That would be a decent class that would appear to address the Hall's shortcomings regarding gender and racial diversity as well as the lack of metal representation. It's interesting how much higher the actual voters are on Tina Turner than those of us who've voted on this site, and also how much higher we are on Iron Maiden and Carole King than the actual voters are. Of course that's based on an extremely small sample size, but it's all we have at this point.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 04/20/2021 @ 10:16am


Here's my predictions on who would be inducted this year.

Foo Fighters - They're one of the go - to bands in the 21st century & they put on those excellent live performances, with this year's ceremony being held in Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse, they should headline the show. Josh Homme of Queens of The Stone Age should induct them & have guests alongside him and Queens like Led Zeppelin (Jimmy Page & John Paul Jones), Paul McCartney, Trent Renzor, Jack Black & Rick Astley performed with them during an all star jam.

The Go - Go's - They would be shoo - ins mostly due to the Documentary about them that premiered last year & rock purists have been keeping up about their inclusion & they're the first female band to hit #1. Maybe have Kathleen Hanna of Bikini Kill induct them. (Imagine a collaboration between them and members of Foo Fighters at the show!)

Jay - Z - Although many purists would be rolling their eyes because he's not rock & roll but there's no denying of his impact on music in general! J. Cole should present him. (I'll be so rad if he & Beyonce doing a performance together!)

Carole King - As much as i don't think she should be inducted twice, i think it might be her year even though she doesn't deserve it. Maybe James Taylor should present her.

Rage Against the Machine - With the recent inductions of Radiohead & Nine Inch Nails, i think it might finally be their year because it's mostly their third nomination (Depeche Mode, NIN & Janet Jackson got inducted after their third nod.) Chuck D of Public Enemy should present them. (I'll be cool if Tom Morello & Dave Grohl with QOTSA or Weezer doing a tribute to Eddie Van Halen.)

Todd Rundgren - I would rather see him as AME recipent than a performer because he's more acclaimed behind the scenes than as a solo artist. Maybe have Kevin Parker of Tame Impala induct him.

Tina Turner - She's a queen of rock & roll & is a lock for induction, there's should be tribute performances to her during a ceremony. Maybe have Beyonce present her.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Tuesday, 04/20/2021 @ 19:42pm


Nick and Navonte Robertson,

My predictions for this year's inductees are actually the same as the both of you guys, I think that it will be Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren and Tina Turner (if it's 7). For once, I actually agree with you guys on something and I really like it, I think that it's so cool that the both of you guys have the same predictions for this year's inductees as me, it really means a lot to me. Stay safe and Have a great night.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/20/2021 @ 22:12pm


You too Bud.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 02:28am


Final Predictions for the 2021 Class:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner
and Fela Kuti (getting in as a Musical Excellence winner)

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 08:57am


Here's my thoughts on who might get snubbed this year.

Iron Maiden - They're probably going to be one of the acts that might not make the cut this year, don't get me wrong they're very influenial in the metal scene but the Hall is completely notorious for passing metal acts for induction every year. It took hard/metal icons Black Sabbath over 10 years & eight nominations & Deep Purple over 20 years & 3 noms (Even though Metallica got inducted in their second year of eligibility), let's not forget that Judas Priest, Motorhead & Thin Lizzy didn't return & are still waiting. I think i'll be pretty off the scale if they got inducted before those 3 acts let alone their nasty criticism of the Hall.

New York Dolls - They have influence in the glam rock scene & with T. Rex & Roxy Music being inducted in their first nomination, i pretty much think that this may finally be their year but they might have the same problem as MC5 in which they were nominated a number of times now. I think they probably would get inducted by next year which is going to be held in NYC. (in which they are from)

Devo - They have influence & innovation just like Hall of Famers Talking Heads & Blondie but pretty much i think they're going to be on the same path as The Cars & Depeche Mode based on how many nominations they would receive before finally being inducted.

Kate Bush - Now she's pretty much going to be left out again because fans are going crazy for Tina Turner, Carole King & The Go - Go's (despite being locks) & Pat Benatar being left out this year which upsets the fans. Her music is too obscured for induction in my honest opinion.

LL Cool J - He's one of the best artists of his generation & i pretty much voted for him but with Jay - Z being a lock for induction i think he doesn't have a shot & the 2022 inductions are being held in NYC & that seems fair for him since he's from the city.

Dionne Warwick - She's really awesome don't get me wrong but Tina Turner & Carole King are locks for induction & she's facing a hard challenge against them. It's still nice to see her get nominated though.

Chaka Khan - same reason as Dionne Warwick.

Fela Kuti - Unfortunately I think he's pretty much won't be one of those that might get inducted this year due to the fact that he's not that popular in the US but that doesn't stop him from being influenial. It's nice to see him get nominated though.

Mary J. Blige - same reason as Dionne & Chaka plus 90's acts Jay - Z, Foo Fighters & RATM being locks for induction.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 11:01am


I will Hold off a few more days for 2019. I want to give more time for chats on The Cars, the Moody Blues and prog Rock in general. 2018 was very good class for me. There has been quite a bit of response to the 2018 class. I will wait NO worries.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 11:37am


Anyone see Nick's predictions? He predicted:

Tina Turner
Jay-Z
Carole King
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Rage Against the Machine
If 7, Todd Rundgren
Wildcards: New York Dolls, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick

Has anyone else with a blog or podcast said their predictions? I liked complying them last time this happened.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 12:42pm


Follower,

That's my predictions for this year's inductees too, Same as Navonte Robertson's predictions, Me, Nick and Navonte all think the inductees will be Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren and Tina Turner (if it's 7).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 15:14pm


I did post my 2021 predictions blog yesterday afternoon (link below), thanks for pointing that out Follower. Haven't been checking FRL the last few days. I don't believe anyone else has published their predictions yet, but I could be wrong. I also wonder if Navonte Robertson saw my predictions before making their selections. Seems a tad odd that it's the exact 7 predictions, but stranger things have happened in the past.


https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/predictingtherockhallclassof2021inductees

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 15:31pm


If you guys are right, then Todd will leave but Fela and Iron Maiden will join Judas Priest, Soundgarden, Pat Benetar, and Dave Matthews Band as acts who reached the top 5 in the fan vote but were not inducted.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 20:22pm


Feel like The Go-Go's is wishful thinking. Anyone getting that vibe?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 22:58pm


Yeah Nick, I did check out yours. Thanks!

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 23:06pm


"Nobody's disaster plan included the global pandemic," says Greg Harris, CEO and president of the Rock Hall. "It was a very challenging year."

Said the out-of-touch idiot who failed to prevent the kiosk and fan ballot from being rigged and ruined. He needs be fired and be replaced by a REAL business person who cares about consumerism, costumer service, and his or her attendees over niche communities, the media, and the Twitter Mob. No matter who gets inducted this year, the next class will be another disastrous commercial failure, and it's no wonder they're losing money.

If they keep d*cking around, then I'm waiting for the Hall to make files for bankruptcy and regret.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/22/2021 @ 10:41am


never have i seen someone so offended that a second-tier hair metal band didn't get nominated for something

Posted by disco volante on Thursday, 04/22/2021 @ 15:01pm


"second tier hair band"? If you don't understand the significance of Motley Crue, that is your loss. They were one of the most recognizable faces of the 80s metal scene. They routinely scored top 10 hits and MTV gave the metal and headbangers genre a sizable audience that grew and grew. They definitely belong in the RRHOF far more than some of the 8th tier 70s bands that classic rock purists scream should be there because they can name 2 of their songs.

I would argue that honestly, they have more business being in the HOF than Bon Jovi, who have made a living of touring and singing much more lame, er tame, songs than in their heyday of "Slippery When Wet"..

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 00:22am


Motley Crue, for better or worse, does have a case for the Hall. Unfortunately, my opinion has been soured about them because a particular SOMEBODY won't shut up about them to the point of irritation.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 02:24am


Enig,
You may neeed more time for your Early Prog story. But hey You got plenty of time. The 2019 Class was Not nearly as exciting for you. Seeing the lineup I just don't think you are such a huge fan of Stevie Nicks, Radiohead and Janet Jackson. You've praised Roxy Music but not as much as the legendary headliners of 2018. Roxy Music offered some Prog in their career later on I feel. They were originally Glam.
I like some Stevie Nicks solo stuff and I am very intrigued by Radiohead even though I disregarded them mostly In the 90s.I am no way just Prog. I love Rock In General and also R&B. Soo continue with your Prog history whenever you like or maybe that was it. You got up to 1967. Some of the Titans of Prog Rock were on the rise in 1968. I will leave it to you.Maybe you are still in 1967 or maybe you are Done. Hear from ya on the weekend or Next week maybe or in May.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 04:33am


On Radiohead
I will say Radiohead-Pablo Honey is 1 of my FAV CD's. They are just dripping with talent. Creep their most memorable hit is on Pablo Honey. I love the jabbing guitars and Yorke's soaring vocals at the end. Two songs Thinking About You and Vegetable are KING FAVS. I prefer their more rock oriented early material than the experimental stuff.
Radiohead The Bends had 2 KING FAVS Fake Plastic Trees and High & Dry. Vocally, Thom Yorke is interesting how he bends his voice and can make it depressing or soar. My Iron Lung is also kind of a catchy song.
OK COMPUTER is placed on most Top 10 Lists FAV or BEST 1990's CD's. I think it is excellent. Electioneering, Karma Police, Let Down are outstanding tracks. I think OK Computer resonates with many. The hustle and bustle of the 1990's...Emerging Computer technology and how the individual must adapt...I think also a certain alienation as using computers and the technology...It lends itself to more solitude or individual work. Radiohead was ahead of the curve what all this Computer and Robots and things would mean for the future.
What can you say about Radiohead. They are 1 of the few 90's groups earning both commercial and critical acclaim. It probably accelerated Radiohead's popularity and visibility that Kurt died young and Nirvana ended. Layne was also reclusive in the later 90's and died from his addiction. Other 90's groups with promise like Grant Lee Buffalo also came and went. The Bangles and Pixies also were ended for a time. Radiohead like Pearl Jam forged ahead earning a Legend status. It's a highly intelligent group like Talking Heads. They sometimes are not understood at the moment but a few years later...You understand the meaning of the song or think of the brilliance. It probably will be called The Radiohead Effect going forward. That's when a group is such an overwhelming favorite for RRHOF Induction fails to be inducted. It's usually from the belief a group will be inducted so votes are marked for other artists. The problem not enough votes go for Radiohead or that heavy favorite. Jay-Z fits this description 2021 cycle.
Radiohead would be interesting if they had started in the 1970's. That was a magical decade for music. Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, KISS, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, The Who, etc. My belief Radiohead would have still been successful. Great bands would succeed in any era. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 06:42am


On Motley Crue:
I think they are definitely deserving of the RRHOF and are probably in my Top 10 of biggest snubs. The 4 group members are instantly recognizable like The Beatles and The Fab 5 back in the day Duran Duran.
It appears plenty of people live in glass houses. Had the social media proliferation been around in the 1970's and 1980's, many artists, rock groups and some of these music critics would have some explaining to do. It sounds like Motley Crue receives all the shrapnel for this.
I think Motley Crue had many Classic Songs. 1 of the first power ballads labeled as such Home Sweet Home. Looks That Kill & Too Young To Fall In Love would be hits today if they were released. Dr. Feelgood is a solid album. 1 of their best. Girl Dont Go Away Mad is 1 of my FAV Crue songs.
Motley Crue sold millions of albums and are still remembered today. I would have liked to see another powerhouse guitarist next to Mick Mars. Maybe, that would have alienated or angered Mars. I don't know. There's no disputing Motley Crue's influence on the 1980's and later bands. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 08:42am


Motley Crue deserve it more than Percy Sledge at least.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 11:49am


Well, it seems everyone is posting their final predictions, so I might as well too.

The class of 2021

Tina Turner
Carole King
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
New York Dolls (Glam Rock has been on a roll and so far the Hall has pretty much honored everyone in this camp except The Dolls.)
The Go-Go's (That Showtime documentary was crap and frankly I don't see them as deserving, but I won't lie that their campaigning is doing wonders for them. Good PR and may take all the New Wave votes)
Todd Rundgren (Seems logical to induct him with The NYD as he helped produce them. Three times the charm of course and has many connections in the industry to try to get him in. Don't expect him to show up though.)

Wildcards:
Rage Against The Machine (Three times the charm and possibly sneak in. Maybe the best time to induct such an act too. Still have hope in 2022 if they don't get in.)
Iron Maiden (A true litmus test to see if The Hall can embrace Metal again. No competition, but will it be enough?)
Fela Kuti (The great underdog story of this year's ballot, it would take a literal miracle to get him in. Some see ME for him, but honestly I see him part of the main class.)

Those are the ones I see this year.

Michael W, RG, The Dude, Follower, KING, K-Dawg, and etc....

Your final thoughts?

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 13:00pm


I will agree that musically & career-wise, The Crue are at least equal & probably more deserving than Mr. Sledge. I personally do not think Mr. Sledge should be in Hall.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 13:08pm


Once Motley Crue get inducted that would likely wrap up 80's Glam Metal. There's not that many others that have a strong case. maybe Poison and Twisted Sister but I don't think the cases are as strong as Motley Crue.

I never got Persey Sledge's induction either. Another one I don't get is The Loving Spoonful.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 13:22pm


Greg F,

What are your final predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 13:32pm


My final predictions

1) Tina Turner
2) Carole King
3) The Go-Go's
4) Jay-Z
5) Foo Fighters

If 6: LL Cool J
If 7: Todd Rundgren

My dream class would be the following.

Carole King
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
LL Cool J
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
Dionne Warwick

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 16:39pm


I will now slide right into an Intro for the 2019 class. This Ceremony was the last under NORMAL conditions. Stevie Nicks opened the CEREMONY. I think Stevie Nicks is cool. She was one of the more Conventional acts. For lack of a better word. I think conventional is a good word. King already have a Nice Write up on Radiohead. I think I myself have personall experienced the Radiohead effect. Back in the 90s I only knew Creep. I had a Folk and Jazz phase in the later 90s. So I missed the boat with Radiohead. I've realized that error and have checked a bunch of Radiohead music the last several years. I checked out OK COMPUTER. But it's Stevie Nicks that opened the 2019 Ceremony. I will cover Stevie Nicks later. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 18:57pm


E-Rockracy has made predictions! Seven in all:

Tina Turner
Carole King
LL Cool J (With the justification that Jay-Z doesn't care, is in last place in the fan vote, and next year the ceremony will be in Brooklyn, his hometown.)
The Go-Go's
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Devo

And Fela Kuti gets the Award for Musical Excellence.

So far:

Two predictions for Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

One prediction for Jay-Z, LL Cool J, Iron Maiden, Devo, Rage Against The Machine, Fela Kuti (musical excellence) and Todd Rundgren.

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Chaka Khan, New York Dolls and Dionne Warwick.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 04/24/2021 @ 02:09am


I was much more excited about the induction of Fleetwood Mac in 1998. But Stevie Nicks does have sown decent solo stuff. Coming after the fine class of 2018 especially with the triumph of the Moody Biues induction, the Hall wanted to go in a different direction. More 80s and 90s acts than ever were Nominated. Just look at the nominees for 2019. I don't want to name them all.
In any case Stevie Nicks was one of the inductees 2 years ago for the 2019 Ceremony . It's interesting to note that Stevie Nicks was in a band with Lindsay Buckingham that opened for JIMI Hendrix, Janis Joplin and Creedence Clearwater Revival. There was an album in 1973 called Buckingham/Nicks. Obviously we all know Stevie N and Lindsay Buckingham joined Fleetwood Mac. The revitalized Fleetwood Mac had huge success. After the record, Fleetwood Mac was huge in 1975 the band released Rumours in 1977. and is one of the best selling albums of all time.
Major hits like Dreams and Sarah made Stevie Nicks a central point in Fleetwood Mac and in 1981, she took time off and then released her solo debut, Belladonna, which hit number 1 in the Summer of 1981. It features Stop Dragging my Heart Around, Leather and Lace and Edge of Seventeen. These are very cool songs that I liked as soon as I heard them in 1981. After a return to Fleetwood Mac for Mirage in 1982, Stevie released her second solo effort, the Wild Heart in 1983. It features the Top 10 hit, Stand Back. Rock a Little, which featured Talk to me and I Can't Wait followed in 1985. Much more on Stevie Nicks later

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/24/2021 @ 08:12am


To recap my previous entry:

So, what gave some of these artists the impetus to combine such strange sounds together? Three little letters-L.S.D. L.S.D. had first been synthesized by Swiss Chemist Albert Hofmann back in 1938, from ergot-a fungus that grows on rye and other grains. It is a hallucinogen and had been widely used by several "mind-expanding" rock musicians during the early to mid 1960's.

Meanwhile, a group named Procol Harum had released their single 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' on May 12, 1967. Then on June 8, 1967, the same day coincidentally that "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" had reached number one on the album chart, 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' had reached number one on the U.K. singles chart, thereby ushering in "The Summer of Love" in the United Kingdom. In my honest opinion, the precursor to 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' had definitely been 'Eleanor Rigby' by The Beatles, released on August 5, 1966

So,then let's discuss 'Eleanor Rigby' first and then look at the autumn of 1966 and then discuss those bands which would start creating their own masterpieces of progressive rock.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/24/2021 @ 13:04pm


To recap my previous entry:

So, what gave some of these artists the impetus to combine such strange sounds together? Three little letters-L.S.D. L.S.D. had first been synthesized by Swiss Chemist Albert Hofmann back in 1938, from ergot-a fungus that grows on rye and other grains. It is a hallucinogen and had been widely used by several "mind-expanding" rock musicians during the early to mid 1960's.

Meanwhile, a group named Procol Harum had released their single 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' on May 12, 1967. Then on June 8, 1967, the same day coincidentally that "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" had reached number one on the album chart, 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' had reached number one on the U.K. singles chart, thereby ushering in "The Summer of Love" in the United Kingdom. In my honest opinion, the precursor to 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' had definitely been 'Eleanor Rigby' by The Beatles, released on August 5, 1966.

So, then let's discuss 'Eleanor Rigby' first and then take a look back at the autumn of 1966. Let's also discuss those bands which would start creating their own masterpieces of progressive rock.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/24/2021 @ 14:03pm


I don't think anyone wants to talk about Prog.

Has Charles Crossly Jr. made his predictions? I always think of his defense of Percy Sledge whenever Procol Harum come up, since he claimed that When a Man Loves a Woman had an influence on White Shade of Pale.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 04/25/2021 @ 02:44am


Ahh but there is my series of Past classes. NOT just Prog at all. All kinds. Most of the inductees of past classes is my thing Right Now.
I'm up to 2019. And I'm covering the first inductee, Stevie Nicks. She became the first Female to be inducted twice. And that's why I think she was inducted in 2019. She is deserved somewhat of induction. But Fleetwood Mac is More deserved.
I will continue from my previous post. The Other Side of the Mirror, Stevie's first solo album in 4 years came In 1989. She left Fleetwood Mac In 1993 and released Street Angel in 1994. In 1998, Stevie N. Along with the rest of Fleetwood Mac were inducted into the Rn'R Hall of Fame. The same year that her Enchanted box set landed in stores. It's a box set of her solo stuff. Of all her solo albums I think Belladonna is her best solo album. I bought that around 1981 or so. I did also buy the Wild Heart when it was released in 1983. I was 18. I was excited about it's release BUT BUT not as excited about the album itself. Currently I have a few key Stevie N songs downloaded.
My favorite Solo songs from Stevie Nicks are Stop Dragging My Heat Around, Leather and Lace. Edge of Seventeen, Belladonna, If Anyone Falls and Rooms on Fire. Does anyone know Rooms on Fire. It was Kinda key tune in 1989. I don't know her music 1990s and beyond.
Stevie Nicks was inducted in 2019. She gave a good performance. She was induced by a guy from One Direction. I forgot his Name. Stevie gave an emotional speech. Then she performed Stand Back, Leather and Lace, Stop Dragging my Heart Around and Edge of Seventeen. It was coool. Up next is RADIOHEAD

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/25/2021 @ 05:10am


Conceived by Paul McCartney and the late George Martin, 'Eleanor Rigby' had featured a double string quartet with 4 violins, 2 violas and 2 cellos. Not a single member of The Beatles had played a single instrument on the song. However, the late John Lennon and the late George Harrison did provide harmony vocals. Of course, the subject matter of 'Eleanor Rigby' had been about loneliness.

Was 'Eleanor Rigby, the first prog song?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/25/2021 @ 06:12am


Enig,
I want to talk about Prog. I like your early History of Prog. Eleanor Rigby was an innovative song In 1966. And it was a huge Top 10 hit. It was probably considered unusual when it was a hit. The Beatles had conquered the World with their early Albums and Beatlemania. They in fact gave up all Touring in late August 1966. Iactually did NOT know that Not a single Beatle did Not play a single instrument. It's on Revolver. That's my favorite Beatles album. Another song, Tomorrow Never Knows could be argued as the first Prog song instead. And there is The Who Album Quick One. A Quick One While He's Away can also be called the First Prog song. The album Quick one was released in UK in Dec. 1966. But since that's the date. That could make Eleanor Rigby or Tomorrow Never Knows the first Prog song. Keep it going man it's Cool. I'm doing the 2019 class. Hear from Ya

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/25/2021 @ 09:20am


The second induction of the 2019 Ceremony was Radiohead. I will do this segment from the perspective of a 1970s and 80s guy. Those are the eras I grew up with. When Radiohead rose to fame I was NOT listening to much Rock anymore. In the Late 90s I was listening to a lot of Folk and Jazz. People like Shawn Colvin, Lucinda Williams, Greg Brown and Weather Report come to mind just to name a few.
At that time I only knew Creep. I was still Mostly Rock at the time of that hit. By 2005 I noticed extra Chat about Radiohead. I was getting back to Rock and got slightly curious about Radiohead. It was at the time of their first Nomination I finally listened to a bunch of songs from Radiohead.
Creep is their most memorable hit. They do have a lot of talent. I find I like their more Rock oriented stuff. I have learned a lot about the album OK Computer. It was highly raved about in the 1990s. I will have the Radiohead segment Next. They are Very deserved of induction.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/25/2021 @ 11:38am


Enig and Ben,
Interesting that you would mention the effects and influence of hallucinogens on the Rock and music world, the origins of Progressive Rock, and also just all of the innovative inspirations on Culture, Society, and life as we know it.
Incidentally, Psychedelic Rock was beginning to come to prominence a few years before Prog Rock and also Jazz Fusion, with The Yardbirds("Heart Full of Soul"), The Byrds(Mr. Tambourine Man"), and The Beatles Rubber Soul album, notably "Norwegian Wood". So Prog and more experimental type Rock formed out of Psychedelic Folk/Rock in or around 1966, and then everything exploded in 1967 with the Summer Of Love and numerous bands like the Moody Blues and many others bursting onto the scene.
As you and Ben both mention "Eleanor Rigby" and "Tomorrow Never Knows", and you can also throw "Strawberry Fields" in there, I would be remiss though if I did not include the Debut album from Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention, titled Freak Out, which was recorded and released a few months before The Beatles, in June of 1966.. Frank's debut Double LP is an eclectic, experimental mix of styles and satiric cynicism, complete with his trademark perfectionist recording and excellent musicianship contain some elements of early Prog.. The album is a wild blend of 50's Doo-Wop, California surf style sound, and mostly Psychedelic innovation, and I hear the origins of Prog in the tracks, "Who Are the Brain Police?", and "Return Of the Son Of Monster Magnet"..
That is my take on the early Prog topic.. Have to give some props to Frank Zappa and The Mothers Of Invention..

____

Posted by Will N on Sunday, 04/25/2021 @ 15:03pm


Will N.,
I see you've joined this Sub topic Enig Started. It's kind of a sub topic of my series. I dig where the history is headed. Enig is up to Fall 1966. That was an interesting time. I have read quite a bit about Frank Zappa's Freak Out album. I do Not recall ever hearing it. I know it's an inspiration for Sgt Pepper from the Beatles. The oldest Frank Zappa album I know is HOT Rats. That was released a few years later. I gave some props to Frank Z the other day in this discussion. I will be getting back to my series Tomorrow. This is another cool discussion. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/25/2021 @ 18:52pm


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-sunday-april-25-2021-oscars

TV Ratings: Oscars at All-Time Low in Early Numbers

More proof the next Hall Ceremony and the class of 2021 will be another commercial failure, and EVERY watcher should boycott until the Amusement Attraction becomes more about costumer service and consumerism rather than dictating the general public to like what the media, the niche communities, and the Twitter Mob likes, including Motley Crue and Dave Matthews Band as mandatory additions cause that's what the masses want the most.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 04/26/2021 @ 17:02pm


RG, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, Shrek, The Dude, John R.C., Steve Z, K-Dawg and Follower,

What are your final predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/26/2021 @ 19:17pm


Most successful: Tina Turner
Most influential: New York Dolls
Most innovative: Fela
Most timeless: Dionne Warwick
Most neglected: Chaka Khan
Most creative: Devo
Most wanted: Foo Fighters

Please don't get upset

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 04/26/2021 @ 20:36pm


I had earlier posted who I thought would be the inductees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2021. Here to refresh everyone's memory is my final predictions. 7 will be inducted as Performers.

Kate Bush
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
LL Cool J
Tina Turner

Todd Rundgren will get inducted by winning the Award for Musical Excellence. Fela Kuti will be posthumously inducted as an Influence. I do not know who might get inducted through the back door. Earlier I thought Kraftwerk , but now I'm not so sure.

Hope this helps,

Lax38

Posted by Lax38 on Monday, 04/26/2021 @ 20:38pm


I am 2 years behind everyone else here. Radiohead are very deserved for Induction In the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They became a milestone for everything that is fearless and adventurous In Rock, inheriting the throne from David Bowie, Pink Floyd and the Talking Heads. Back in the 1990s the only song I knew was Creep. It was treated as one moment of success in 1993. The Talking Heads song Radiohead from True Stories gave them their name.
It was 1997's OK COMPUTER that broke down all the doors and changed Alternative rock in the process. It passed me by back In 1997 . I was into mostly folk and Jazz. Expanding their sound with Electronica and Prog rock suites, Radiohead became different with OK Computer.
Thom Yorke has an interesting Voice. Ok Computer is placed on most Top 10 FAV lists for the 90s. It wasn't on mine. I didn't really know them at that time too well. I didn't know better. I was into lots of Mellow folk for awhile during the 90s. I do know the album was about the Emerging Computer technology and Robots. They are one of the few groups of the 90s having success with both sales and Critics. King said that and I agree. Whereas Kurt Cobain died young and Layne Staley eventually died from addiction, Radiohead kept going. Radiohead is like Pearl Jam moving ahead into Legend status. More on RADIOHEAD later.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/27/2021 @ 08:35am


Ben and Will N.,

Thank you for responding to my previous posts.


Of course, the competition at that time was chiefly between The Beatles and The Beach Boys. Since The Beatles had released 'Eleanor Rigby' in September, 1966, The Beach Boys had then countered with probably their most 'progressive song' in October, 1966. The Beach Boys released the song 'Good Vibrations' which has often been called a pocket symphony. During the same month, John Lodge has replaced Rod Clark and Justin Hayward had replaced Denny Laine in The Moody Blues. This event had monumental consequences and had led directly to the creation of two new musical genres: "art rock" and "progressive rock."

Well, what do you think so far?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/27/2021 @ 09:39am


To recap my previous entries:

So, what gave some of these artists the impetus to combine such strange sounds together? Three little letters-L.S.D. L.S.D. had first been synthesized by Swiss Chemist Albert Hofmann back in 1938, from ergot-a fungus that grows on rye and other grains. It is a hallucinogen and had been widely used by several "mind-expanding" rock musicians during the early to mid 1960's.

Meanwhile, a group named Procol Harum had released their single 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' on May 12, 1967. Then on June 8, 1967, the same day coincidentally that "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" had reached number one on the album chart, 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' had reached number one on the U.K. singles chart, thereby ushering in "The Summer of Love" in the United Kingdom. In my honest opinion, the precursor to 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale' had definitely been 'Eleanor Rigby' by The Beatles, released on August 5, 1966.

So, then let's discuss 'Eleanor Rigby' first and then take a look back at the autumn of 1966. Let's also discuss those bands which would start creating their own masterpieces of progressive rock.

Conceived by Paul McCartney and the late great George Martin, 'Eleanor Rigby' had featured a double string quartet with 4 violins, 2 violas and 2 cellos. Not a single member of The Beatles had played a single instrument on the song. However, the late John Lennon and the late George Harrison had provided harmony vocals. Of course, the subject matter on 'Eleanor Rigby' had been about loneliness. Had ' Eleanor Rigby' been the first prog song?

Of course, the competition at that time had been chiefly between The Beatles and The Beach Boys. Since The Beatles had released 'Eleanor Rigby' in September, 1966, The Beach Boys had then countered with probably their most 'progressive song' in October, 1966. The Beach Boys had released the song 'Good Vibrations' which has often been called a pocket symphony. During the same month, John Lodge has replaced Rod Clark and Justin Hayward had replaced Denny Laine in The Moody Blues. This event had monumental consequences and had led directly to the creation of two new musical genres: "art rock" and "progressive rock."

Well, what do you think so far?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/27/2021 @ 09:55am


I will continue with Radiohead. In Oct. 2000 Kid A was released. It became their first number one album In America. Hail To the Thief appeared in June 2003. It was also a huge album. I've heard of these titles but I have not heard the music on them. I should check it out. Also, the group played live dates culminating with a Headliner show at the 2004,Coachella festival. There was an album In Rainbows that moved over a million downloads on its first day of release in Oct 2007. It was physically released in late 2007. Other albums followed.
Radiohead were first nominated for 2018 but did NOT get in. They did NOT get in. They did NOT get enough Votes. I own 3 tunes Right Now by Radiohead. They are Creep, Pararanoid Android and Karma Police. I've learned more about them over time. In 2019 Radiohead were Inducted. They are Very deserved. BUT they did NOT perform.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/27/2021 @ 19:36pm


So, I fully acknowledge that this is waaaay premature, but something that was on my mind was how my predicted 2021 Inductees would influence the possible 2022 ballot. To reiterate, my prediction for this year's class is:

1. Tina Turner
2. Carole King
3. Jay-Z
4. Foo Fighters
5. The Go-Go's
6. Todd Rundgren
7. Rage Against the Machine (still not very confident about the #7 slot, I keep going back and forth between a few different artists, but let's say they get in for the purposes of this exercise.)

So if this is the class, who makes the ballot next year? I tried to go for a similar gender/racial breakdown, as well as an even split of new and returning nominees.

Returning Nominees:

1. Dionne Warwick - I think that Dionne's place in the vote this year will be solid, befitting her legendary status, but not enough to overcome the fact that there are two other legendary pop singers on the ballot. I would expect to see her back on the ballot and hopefully breeze right in next year.

2. LL Cool J - This year should prove that they can run two rappers on the same ballot without screwing both artists over, so LL should hop right back on.

3. Chaka Khan, w/ or w/o Rufus - *sigh*

4. Soundgarden - Foo Fighters and RATM getting in would tee Soundgarden up very nicely for a return appearance.

5. Judas Priest - I'm feeling that they alternate Priest and Maiden until one gets in, but I could easily sub in Maiden in this slot.

6. Pat Benatar - The Go-Go's getting in would tee Pat up well for a return appearance.

7. Eurythmics - It's been a few years since they've had a shot, it will be good to see them get another.

8. Kraftwerk - Keep trying until they're in, I guess.

New Nominees:

9. Eminem - Big first year eligible name

10. Mariah Carey - Whitney getting in and Mary J being on the ballot have opened the door. Expect Mariah on the ballot next year.

11. Carly Simon - Logical followup to Carole King, it's very weird that she has never even been nominated.

12. Kool & The Gang - Least confident about this slot, but they're a pretty big snub. Maybe The Spinners hop back on instead?

13. Smashing Pumpkins - Pushing further into the next tier of 90s alt-rock bands with the Foos and RATM in.

14. Warren Zevon - A logical followup to Todd Rundgren.

15. The B-52's - Please?

16. Gil Scott-Heron - A bit of a wildcard in a similar vein to Fela. Influential, and works well as a connective tissue contextualizing the hip hop inductees within the rest of the Hall.

Let me know what you think!

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 04/27/2021 @ 21:02pm


RG,

I just noticed that your predictions for this year's inductees are the same as me, Nick and Navonte Robertson's, My predictions for this year's inductees are Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren and Tina Turner. Which is the exact same as yours, Nick's and Navonte Robertson's.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/27/2021 @ 21:44pm


RG,

Very interesting, indeed. Carly Simon seems a stretch as not many people actually like her(seen as too laid back just like Warwick) and critics downright despise her which from what I learn are kind of important with gender withstanding. I buy it enough though!

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 04/27/2021 @ 22:05pm


So, now let's discuss 'Good Vibrations' and it's impact on the nascent "proto-prog" scene. Of course, I would be remiss if I had not mentioned the contributions of such groups as: The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and The Doors, also.

'Good Vibrations' had probably represented The Beach Boys at their artiest, i.e. Brian Wilson's greatest single accomplishment. Of course, one could argue that "Pet Sounds" had been a starting point for their evolution, but the idea of taking snippets of sounds and combing them into a cohesive whole seems to be much more interesting. It may have seemed way out at the time, but Yes' 'Close To The Edge' had been assembled in a similar fashion several years later. Mike Love's lyrics for 'Good Vibrations' are actually quite brilliant and before the two major songwriters of The Beach Boys had their falling out period, it probably best represents harmony and what two individuals can do cooperatively without their egos getting in the way.

I will return to a discussion about British "prog rock" later this week.

Well, what do you think so far?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 04/28/2021 @ 10:06am


The Next Inductee is Roxy Music. Roxy Music had a fascination with Fashion, Glamour and Pop art. During the early 70s they were led by both Bryan Ferry and Bryan Eno. This version of Roxy Music only recorded 2 albums. But they influenced a lot of Glam Rockers In the early 70s. They were Not truly Prog Rock. Perhaps a little later on. I am NOT a huge fan. I know about their influence and success in the 70s.They wee a left field choice for the Hall. A lot of keys 70s rock acts have been Inducted long ago. Roxy Music is part of the big Back log. I'll be having a Roxy Music segment Now.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/28/2021 @ 12:09pm


SO FAR PUBLIC

6 Votes for Tina Turner
4 Votes for The Go-Go's
4 Votes for Rage Against The Machine
4 Votes for Fela Kuti
3 Votes for Jay-Z
3 Vote for Todd Rundgren
3 Vote for Kate Bush
3 Votes for Iron Maiden
2 Votes for Foo Fighters
2 Votes for New York Dolls
2 Votes for Carole King
2 Votes for Devo
1 Vote for Chaka Khan
1 Votes for Dionne Warwick
0 Votes for LL Cool J
0 Votes for Mary J. Blige

Howard Stern Ballot

Carole King
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's
Rage Against The Machine
Foo Fighters

Roy Trakin Ballot

Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z

Evelyn McDonnell Ballot

Carole King
Tina Turner
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti
The Go-Go's

Sean Fennessey Ballot

Tina Turner
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
Rage Against The Machine
Jay-Z

Eddie Trunk Ballot

Iron Maiden
Foo Fighters
Rage Against The Machine
New York Dolls
Devo

Jason Hanley Ballot

Tina Turner
Iron Maiden
The Go-Go's
Devo
Jay-Z

George Varga Ballot

Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
Rage Against The Machine

Steven Hyden Ballot

Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
Iron Maiden
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 04/28/2021 @ 15:26pm


Does the founder of this website have a ballot? If complaining about the rock hall long enough and loud enough gets you a ballot, then Neil deserves one.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/28/2021 @ 15:53pm


Roxy Music did very well in England and Europe but virtually ignored in the U.S. Brian Eno was in the band but left the band. Released in Dec. 1973 ,Stranded became the band's first number one album in the U.K. The album Stranded received better attention in the US than its 2 predecessors setting the stage for the breakthrough of Country Life in late 1974.
Country Life was the first Roxy album to break the U.S. Top 40 and became their fourth British Top Ten album. Following a tour with bassist John Wetton, the group recorded Siren. Featuring their first American Top 40 hit, the disco-flavored "Love Is the Drug," Siren was another British Top Ten hit; in the U.S., it was moderate hit, peaking at number 50. This is the first song I knew from Roxy Music. They announced in the summer of 1976 that they were temporarily breaking up. The live album Viva Roxy Music! was released shortly after the announcement of the group's hiatus.
Manifesto, was released in the spring of 1979, and it boasted a slick, disco-influenced soul-pop sound that was very different from and more accessible than their earlier records. Manifesto confirmed their British popularity, reaching the Top Ten, and became a high-charting U.S. record, peaking at number 23 on the strength of the single "Dance Away." Roxy Music supported the album with an international tour. Flesh + Blood, the follow-up to Manifesto, was recorded just by Ferry, Manzanera and Andy Mackay, and a host of studio musicians. Released in the summer of 1980, Flesh + Blood became Roxy's second British number one album on the strength of the Top Ten single "Over You"; in America, the album reached the American Top 40. In the spring of 1981, the band's non-LP cover of John Lennon's "Jealous Guy," recorded as a tribute to the slain singer, became the group's only British number one single. I like this version a lot. It was their great tribute to John Lennon. Nearly two years later, Roxy Music returned in the summer of 1982 with Avalon. Marking a new level in the group's production and musical sophistication, Avalon became their biggest album, spending three weeks at the top of the British charts and 27 on the U.S. charts, generating the British hits "More Than This" and "Take a Chance With Me." It became the group's only American gold album, and over the years, it worked its way to platinum status. Following a successful supporting tour for Avalon, the group released the live EP Musique/The High Road in the spring of 1983. The Avalon tour turned out to be Roxy Music's final activity as a group. Ferry began to concentrate on his solo career, beginning with 1985's Boys and Girls.
Roxy Music was inducted into the Rn'R Hall of Fame in 2019. They were inducted by 2 guys from Duran Duran. Duran Duran was influenced a lot by Roxy Music. So it makes sense. Roxy Music actually performed 6 songs. Who did they get to do that many?
They jammed first with Every Dream Home a Heartache. Then they played Out of the Blue, Love is the Drug and More Than This. Avalon was their next song of choice followed by "Editions of You." Does anyone know how they managed to have such a long set. Many acts do not get as many as 6. Maybe it's because a a couple acts Did NOT perform. And so Roxy Music are deserved for the Hall.
EVERYONE What do you think?

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/28/2021 @ 15:57pm


I'm going to look at the nominees and guess if they would show or not:

Mary J. Blige is a friend of the Hall, of course she would show up.
Kate Bush wouldn't show up, she's British and reclusive.
Devo's living members are more likely than not, since they don't appear to have anything against the hall.
Foo Fighters would obviously show up, Dave Grohl is on the Nom Com.
The Go-Go's would show up, maybe not all of them since one lives in Thailand, but some will.
Iron Maiden wouldn't show up. Maybe one or two of the members, but all nine is a pipe dream.
Jay-Z also has a past with the Hall, so he'll show up.
Chaka Khan probably would show up unless she's bitter about being nominated so many times.
Fela Kuti is dead.
LL Cool J would show up.
Only one New York Doll is alive, and I doubt he'd show up.
Carole King would show up.
Rage Against the Machine would show up for the same reasons as Foo Fighters.
Todd Rundgren probably wouldn't show up.
Tina Turner lives on the other side of the world so I doubt she'd show.
Dionne Warrwick is a maybe. She's not the healthiest, but she seems grateful enough about her nomination.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/28/2021 @ 16:09pm


SO FAR PUBLIC

6 Votes for Tina Turner
5 Votes for The Go-Go's
5 Votes for Rage Against The Machine
5 Votes for Fela Kuti
3 Votes for Jay-Z
3 Vote for Todd Rundgren
3 Vote for Kate Bush
3 Votes for Iron Maiden
2 Votes for Foo Fighters
2 Votes for New York Dolls
2 Votes for Carole King
2 Votes for Devo
1 Vote for Chaka Khan
1 Votes for Dionne Warwick
1 Votes for LL Cool J
1 Votes for Mary J. Blige

Howard Stern Ballot

Carole King
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's
Rage Against The Machine
Foo Fighters

Roy Trakin Ballot

Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z

Evelyn McDonnell Ballot

Carole King
Tina Turner
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti
The Go-Go's

Sean Fennessey Ballot

Tina Turner
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
Rage Against The Machine
Jay-Z

Eddie Trunk Ballot

Iron Maiden
Foo Fighters
Rage Against The Machine
New York Dolls
Devo

Jason Hanley Ballot

Tina Turner
Iron Maiden
The Go-Go's
Devo
Jay-Z

George Varga Ballot

Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
Rage Against The Machine

Steven Hyden Ballot

Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
Iron Maiden
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti

Alexander Sashko Ballot

Fela Kuti
LL Cool J
Mary J. Blige
The Go-Go's
Rage Against The Machine

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 04/28/2021 @ 19:42pm


So, now let's discuss 'Good Vibrations' and it's impact on the nascent "proto-prog" scene. Of course, I would be remiss if I had not mentioned the contributions of such groups as: The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and The Doors, also.

'Good Vibrations' had probably represented The Beach Boys at their artiest, i.e. Brian Wilson's greatest single accomplishment. Of course, one could argue that "Pet Sounds" had been a starting point for their evolution, but the idea of taking snippets of sounds and combining them into a cohesive whole seems to be much more interesting. It may have seemed way out at the time, but Yes' 'Close To The Edge' had been assembled in a similar fashion several years later. Mike Love's lyrics for 'Good Vibrations' are actually quite brilliant and before the two major songwriters of The Beach Boys had their falling out period, it probably best represents harmony and what two individuals can do cooperatively without their egos getting in the way.

I will return to a discussion about British "prog rock" later this week.

Well, what do you think so far?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 04/28/2021 @ 20:21pm


Tom Lane has made his predictions!

Carole King
Dionne Warwick
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Rage Against the Machine.

Updating the Roundup:

Three predictions for Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

Two predictions for Jay-Z and Rage Against The Machine

One prediction for Dionne Warwick, LL Cool J, Iron Maiden, Devo, Fela Kuti (musical excellence) and Todd Rundgren.

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, and Chaka Khan.

Nick, E-Rockrracy, and Tom Lane are the predictors.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/29/2021 @ 12:26pm


I want Everyone to know I am NOT a fan of Janet Jackson. I don't recall ever sitting at Home listening to her. She's NOT my thing. But this a chance to prove that even though I don't like Janet J she is deserved for Induction anyway. I do feel her career was given a big boost by Michael and his success. I do think Michael Jackson is more deserved for sure to be an inductee. But nonetheless, Janet the sister has her place. Starting with her 1986 album, Control, she became one of the biggest Pop stars of the 80s. Through the early 2000's she was able to maintain her stardom with Full control.
In The early 80s she released a couple albums. They didn't sell too well. Control became a huge hit album in 1986. Hey I gave a party once in 1987 with a Dj. I did request Nasty so there wouldn't just be Loud rock at the party. So I did know that was a huge Thats good at parties. Janet J had more sensual material on Rhythm Nation 1814. It gave her many more hits like Miss You Much and Escapade. She unveiled a fully adult status on 1993's Janet. She had lots of success all through the 90s. Yeah I know a lot about the controversy at the Half time of the Super Bowl in 2004 or something. The incident where her Right breast was exposed. I didn't care for that incident. But anyway Janet Jackson was inducted into the R'n'R in 2019. It did give extra representation to Women. SHE did NOT perform. That's it On Her.
What are the thoughts on Janet Jackson? Do you guys think she deserves Induction. Hear from Ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/29/2021 @ 19:05pm


Since we're talking about Janet, was she in a relationship with either Jam or Lewis?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 04/30/2021 @ 02:01am


42pm

So, now let's discuss 'Good Vibrations' and it's impact on the nascent "proto-prog" scene. Of course, I would be remiss if I had not mentioned the contributions of such groups as: The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and The Doors, also.

'Good Vibrations' had probably represented The Beach Boys at their artiest, i.e. Brian Wilson's greatest single accomplishment. Of course, one could argue that "Pet Sounds" had been a starting point for their evolution, but the idea of taking snippets of sounds and combining them into a cohesive whole seems to be much more interesting. It may have seemed way out at the time, but Yes' 'Close To The Edge' had been assembled in a similar fashion several years later. Mike Love's lyrics for 'Good Vibrations' are actually quite brilliant and this had occurred, prior to the time that the two major songwriters of The Beach Boys had their falling out period. Overall, 'Good Vibrations' probably best represents harmony and what two individuals can do cooperatively without their egos getting in the way.

I will return to a discussion about British "prog rock" next week.

Well, what do you think so far

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/30/2021 @ 06:43am


Here's all the predictions for the 2021 inductees made by Rock Hall watchers so far and they are:

Nick Bambach: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren and Tina Turner.

Eric Layton (E-Rockracy): Devo, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Iron Maiden, Carole King, LL Cool J and Tina Turner.

Tom Lane: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Rage Against The Machine, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick.

Now, Out of all of the predictions made by Rock Hall watchers so far for the 2021 inductees, Which one do you guys think is the most realistic?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/30/2021 @ 13:10pm


So, now let's discuss 'Good Vibrations' and it's impact on the nascent "proto-prog" scene. Of course, I would be remiss if I had not mentioned the contributions of such groups as: The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and The Doors, also.

'Good Vibrations' had probably represented The Beach Boys at their artiest, i.e. Brian Wilson's greatest single accomplishment. Of course, one could argue that "Pet Sounds" had been a starting point for their evolution, but the idea of taking snippets of sounds and combining them into a cohesive whole seems to be much more interesting. It may have seemed way out at the time, but Yes' 'Close To The Edge' had been assembled in a similar fashion several years later. Recorded in 12 separate pieces at 4 different recording studios, 'Good Vibrations' had definitely been a very avant garde composition.

Mike Love's lyrics for 'Good Vibrations' are actually quite brilliant and this had occurred, prior to the time that the two major songwriters of The Beach Boys (Brian Wilson and Mike Love) had their falling out period. Overall, 'Good Vibrations' probably best represents harmony and what two individuals can do cooperatively without their egos getting in the way.

I will return to a discussion about British "prog rock" next week.

Well, what do you think so far?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/30/2021 @ 13:16pm


Follower,
I would think Janet J was in a relationship with Jam or Lewis at some point Since she's Collaborated with them since 1986. It is rather probable. I would say you find her deserved as an Inductee. I don't Hate Janet J but she's Not someone I've played lots of music from at Home or on IPhone. She is more Listenable to me than any Rap. But I would have prefferred a 2019 Induction of Tina Turner or Chaka Khan. I wonder what KING thinks of JANET Jackson as far as music and worthy of the Hall. Heyy KING. That's it for NOW

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/30/2021 @ 13:58pm


2 Weeks left

PERFORMERS
Tina Turner
New York Dolls
Fela
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan
Devo
Foo Fighters

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Todd Rundgren

EARLY INFLUENCE
Tommy Johnson

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 04/30/2021 @ 15:43pm


Hey guys, I'm gonna refer to myself now as Plebeian now so remember that. Same person, different name.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 02:30am


King,
I'm talking to you specifically. What are your thoughts on Janet Jackson. Hey I'm huge lifetime Rock fan like you. I managed to have some sort of review of Janet Jackson. Truthfully I think Michael was more deserved for the Hall than the sister Janet.
I love Rock the most but also a significant amount of R&b. But not Janet J's type. I think Tina Turner, Chaka Khan and Kool & the Gang should have all been inducted before Janet J. What are your thoughts. The review was a bit a tough for me. She is just too Pop for my tastes and doesn't have the universalness of Michael. Michael is pure pop, the King of Pop but he is Universal. King let me know about Janet J. I think she is NOT your thing either. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 05:25am


Janet Jackson is a determined Taurean singer, dancer, and performer who has been around music her entire life. Her RRHOF Induction was a great moment. I first remember Janet Jackson during her smash success Control in the mid 1980's. It was an empowering album. Taking "Control" of one's life. Janet was taking Control of her life at only 20. Many hit songs. "Nasty" was the 1st song I remember. My sister liked to dance to the Jackson beats and Madonna too. There's interesting conversation how influential Michael Jackson was on her career. My prevailing wisdom that the Jackson name helped her in the beginning. I think Jackson paved her own way and still is 1 of the most successful music artists of all-time. She paved away for many of the sing and dance bands that exploded in the 1990's.
Vocally, I don't think she would win an American Idol Contest vs Celine Dion, Cyndi Lauper, Freddie Mercury, George Michael, Mariah Carey, Natalie Merchant, or other great vocalists. It's the entire package with Janet though. Solid pretty vocals, excellent dance moves and choreography, strong instincts on hit songs etc. Janet has a good instinct talent on collaborations too.
Rhthym Nation proved Janet wasn't a 1 hit wonder. A strong collection of hit songs. My FAV is "Black Cat". Straight up rocker. It's almost metal. Rhythm Nation was another more up-tempo song. Excellent dancing and choreography in the video. I think she started to branch out on some socially-conscious songs.
Janet was moving into her mid to late 20's and blossoming into a beautiful young woman. This "New Janet" showed off more of a sensual or sexual side. It's difficult to know if this was strategy or more of a progression of things. It cemented her as a superstar. Love Will Never Do Without You and That's The Way Love Goes stand out.
Like many artists and groups, I had become an adult in the mid to late 1990's and was busy with college, family affairs, life etc. No doubt, Janet Jackson received too much blame for the Super Bowl incident. It's very tame when you think about the adult and sexual content you see now. Her career took a hit for the incident but Janet pressed on.
As we have seen in the last 35+ years, the RRHOF Inductees have been a melting pot of looks, music, and sounds. Janet Jackson was a Superstar with numerous hit songs. I don't believe she was the strongest vocalist and I can't remember seeing her playing any instruments. However, she was a good songwriter and excellent dancing and in the choreography of the dancing and things. This paved the way for the future sing and dance bands of the 1990's. Plenty of Influence there. I've seen her mentioned as early in the New Jack Swing type music. You could say that was Innovative. She also crossed-over into acting. There have been other musicians like Cher who had acting careers. However, a black female singer and dancer probably influenced some later female singers to explore acting. Probably the strength of her catalogue of songs and commercial success earned her the RRHOF Induction. She was a Superstar and still will be. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 07:24am


King,
Thank you for that Amazing Respnse. You covered Janet Jackson much better than I ever could. I remember her smash success Control. My brother was and always is strictly Pop use to crank this album over and Over around 1987 in his Room. I am the older Brother and I had my Rock Room. I played all Rock every day from the 1960s to 80s back in the 80s. Janet Jackson had many hits. Nasty was the doesnt song I remember. It's NOT my kind of thing but I did request it at a Party I organized. Also That's right I forgot about Black Cat. Ok That's it for NOW

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 08:19am


Who Cares About The Rock Hall?? Joe and Kristen bust out the rolodex and call friends old and new to see who they chose on this year's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame ballot. Some even fill it out on the air! Featuring Karen Glauber, Bob Merlis, Jim Bessman, Jim McGuinn, and Ned Raggett. This show is part of Pantheon Podcasts.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1MaWtspwWv5I3r2FDL2ttF?si=f3GXZGZFQ-Kst43aoIgi3w&nd=1

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/voter-calling-party-2021/id1372323455?i=1000519343018

HOW THEY VOTED

Karen Glauber - President of HITS Magazine / National Director of New Music Marketing A&M Records 1982 - 1990

Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
Kate Bush
The Go-Go's
Kate Bush

Bob Merlis - Publicist / Warner Brothers

Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
Devo
LL Cool J

Jim McGuinn - Disc Jockey

Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
Devo
The Go-Go's

Ned Raggett - Journalist / Rolling Stone / Pitchfork

Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan
Kate Bush
Devo

Jim Bessman - Freelance Journalist / Billboard Magazine - ONLY VOTED 4

Dionne Warwick
New York Dolls
Kate Bush
The Go-Go's

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 14:41pm


Who Cares About The Rock Hall?? Joe and Kristen bust out the rolodex and call friends old and new to see who they chose on this year's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame ballot. Some even fill it out on the air! Featuring Karen Glauber, Bob Merlis, Jim Bessman, Jim McGuinn, and Ned Raggett. This show is part of Pantheon Podcasts.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1MaWtspwWv5I3r2FDL2ttF?si=f3GXZGZFQ-Kst43aoIgi3w&nd=1

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/voter-calling-party-2021/id1372323455?i=1000519343018

HOW THEY VOTED

Karen Glauber - President of HITS Magazine / National Director of New Music Marketing A&M Records 1982 - 1990

Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
Kate Bush
The Go-Go's
Foo Fighters

Bob Merlis - Publicist / Warner Brothers

Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
Devo
LL Cool J

Jim McGuinn - Disc Jockey

Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
Devo
The Go-Go's

Ned Raggett - Journalist / Rolling Stone / Pitchfork

Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan
Kate Bush
Devo

Jim Bessman - Freelance Journalist / Billboard Magazine - ONLY VOTED 4

Dionne Warwick
New York Dolls
Kate Bush
The Go-Go's

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 14:53pm


2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME OFFICIAL VOTING

SO FAR PUBLIC

8 Votes for The Go-Go's
8 Votes for Tina Turner
6 Votes for Dionne Warwick
6 Votes for Todd Rundgren
6 Votes for Kate Bush

5 Votes for Rage Against The Machine
5 Votes for Fela Kuti
5 Votes for Devo
4 Votes for New York Dolls
3 Votes for Jay-Z
3 Votes for Iron Maiden
3 Votes for Foo Fighters
2 Votes for Carole King
2 Vote for Chaka Khan
2 Votes for LL Cool J
1 Votes for Mary J. Blige

Howard Stern Ballot

Carole King
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's
Rage Against The Machine
Foo Fighters

Roy Trakin Ballot

Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z

Evelyn McDonnell Ballot

Carole King
Tina Turner
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti
The Go-Go's

Sean Fennessey Ballot

Tina Turner
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
Rage Against The Machine
Jay-Z

Eddie Trunk Ballot

Iron Maiden
Foo Fighters
Rage Against The Machine
New York Dolls
Devo

Jason Hanley Ballot

Tina Turner
Iron Maiden
The Go-Go's
Devo
Jay-Z

George Varga Ballot

Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
Rage Against The Machine

Steven Hyden Ballot

Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
Iron Maiden
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti

Alexander Sashko Ballot

Fela Kuti
LL Cool J
Mary J. Blige
The Go-Go's
Rage Against The Machine

Karen Glauber Ballot

Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
Kate Bush
The Go-Go's
Foo Fighters

Bob Merlis Ballot

Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
Devo
LL Cool J

Jim McGuinn Ballot

Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
Devo
The Go-Go's

Ned Raggett Ballot

Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan
Kate Bush
Devo

Jim Bessman Ballot

Dionne Warwick
New York Dolls
Kate Bush
The Go-Go's

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 14:59pm


Roy, what are these random ballots you are posting?

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 15:04pm


These are official votes made public by some of the voters so far on twitter and other places. Read the previous entries.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 15:10pm


VOTING FOR THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME WILL END THIS MONTH

# 1, # 3, # 4, # 5 are the same artists on both, the official Rock and Roll Hall of Fame fan ballot, and the Future Rock Legends poll:

01. Tina Turner
03. The Go-Go's
04. Iron Maiden
05. Foo Fighters

OFFICIAL 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME FAN VOTE LEADERBOARD - Total Votes: 4,572,121

https://vote.rockhall.com/results/

01. Tina Turner - 557291 Votes
02. Fela Kuti - 507157 Votes
03. The Go-Go's - 407644 Votes
04. Iron Maiden - 392774 Votes
05. Foo Fighters - 372881 Votes
06. Carole King - 364016 Votes
07. Todd Rundgren - 274550 Votes
08. Devo - 257673 Votes
09. Dionne Warwick - 236512 Votes
10. Chaka Khan - 220705 Votes
11. Rage Against the Machine - 214270 Votes
12. Kate Bush - 211732 Votes
13. New York Dolls - 164660 Votes
14. Mary J. Blige - 146487 Votes
15. LL Cool J - 132617 Votes
16. JAY-Z - 111152 Votes

Future Rock Legends 2021 Current Poll Results (05/01/2021) 1600 Ballots Cast

https://futurerocklegends.com/2021_Nominees.php

01. Tina Turner: 68%
02. Carole King: 55%
03. The Go-Gos: 49%
04. Iron Maiden: 43%
05. Foo Fighters: 41%
06. Dionne Warwick: 34%
07. Kate Bush: 33%
08. Rage Against the Machine: 28%
09. Jay-Z: 28%
10. Todd Rundgren: 26%
11. Chaka Khan: 21%
12. LL Cool J: 19%
13. Devo: 18%
14. New York Dolls: 16%
15. Fela Kuti: 11%
16. Mary J. Blige: 10%

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 16:14pm


Hope they go all out and not be super predictable. Last year was pretty good, so I hope this year they can make a entertaining enough ballot.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 16:32pm


So, I'd just like to say that I'd like for everyone else to make their predictions! AlexVoltaire! Philip! Donnie Durham! TheMusic Zamboni! Troy L. Smith! Michelle Bourg! FLR! Joe! Jason Voight! All of you need to make predictions before it's too late!

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 17:42pm


And Charles Crossly Jr! Sorry I forgot you!

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 17:43pm


I'll just be happy if no rappers get in.

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 18:11pm


Looks like Music Zamboni already made predictions yesterday. My bad. Anyway, here they are:

Foo Fighters
Tina Turner
Jay-Z
Carole King
The Go-Go's
Rage Against The Machine
If there's a seventh, Fela Kuti.

He did say that if Todd Rundgren gets inducted, it will be a musical excellence induction, but I don't count that as a prediction.

Now we need the others!

And to update the roundup:

Four predictions for Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

Three predictions for Jay-Z and Rage Against The Machine

Two predictions for Fela Kuti, one as a performer and another as a Musical Exellence Award.

One prediction for Dionne Warwick, LL Cool J, Iron Maiden, Devo, and Todd Rundgren.

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, and Chaka Khan.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 18:15pm


My Original 7 predictions from a few months ago..

Tina Turner
Jay-Z
Iron Maiden
The Go-Go's
Carole King
Foo Fighters
LL Cool J

___
I would love to have Devo in there if possible, or the New York Dolls, and I believe it could be possible to replace Foo Fighters with Rage Against the Machine, but I feel FF have the edge. Iron Maiden deserves to go in as the Top Rock act, no question. Devo could sneak in over LL Cool J, and I feel there is a high probability for that, depending on how the later votes swing.. New York Dolls would be a wild card, and I am fairly positive that the other slots are set.(First 5) Then again, this whole process with the voting committee does not function logically, so who really knows..

___

Posted by Will N on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 20:36pm


I wish Devo replaced The Go-Go's as the New Wave pick. This year's ballot was less interesting compared to last year's.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 21:29pm


I have been voting for an all female ballot 100% of the time. These are the artists who I have been voting for most of the time:

Tina Turner
Carole King
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
The Go-Gos

I still think that Todd Rundgren and Fela Kuti could possibly receive Musical Excellence Awards.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05/1/2021 @ 22:54pm


My guess as to who will be inducted:

All-but locks:
Foo Fighters (Dave Grohl has a lot of influence in the Hall,)
Tina Turner (The only part that may keep her away would be that she probably wouldn't perform or even show. She now lives in Switzerland [?] and has renounced her American citizenship, and, per a reliable news source [supermarket tabloid] is now in poor health.

Very good chance:
The Go-Gos
Carole King
Jay-Z

If six:
Dionne Warwick

If seven:
Iron Maiden

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 00:28am


Add to above:

Fela Kuti for musical excellence

(and as a longshot)
Annie Liebovitz for non-performer

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 00:36am


Are you the Joe from Who Cares About the Rock Hall? That's who I was referring to.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 01:00am


This is my predictions once more:

Tina Turner
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Carole King
Jay-Z
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

Iron Maiden
Rage Against The Machine
Fela Kuti

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 01:42am


Up Next is the Cure. It's another act that's Not my thing Man. But I stated 2 years ago that they are Deserved for the Hall. The problem for me with them is I was Never a big New Wave/80s Alternative fan. I spent the Late 70s and All of the 1980s listening to Regular Standard Album Rock stations. We all know those, But, having said that the thing in the same way I got very excited when for instance Jefferson Airplane, Billy Joel, Aerosmith, B Traffic and of Course Yes and the Moody Blues were inducted. The same applies to others for the Cure. I may not like them but many do. It's Not a Hall for just me.
But right Now I take a break for 2 days to give my predictions for the 2021 RnR Hall of Fame once more:
Foo Fighters
The Go-Gos
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Carole King
New York Dolls
Tina Turner

During these 2 days we can discuss my predictions. I am quite positive that 6 of these slots are sure things. New York Dolls is kind of a wild card but I am confident they can be Inducted. We shall see. Heyy when is the Induction announcement? I think its some time in May. let me know guys

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 06:54am


Ben,

They haven't announced anything, but the fan vote closes on 5/7, so it should be sometime next week.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 08:31am


My predictions, just for fun. I don't believe there are any locks.

Carole King
New York Dolls
Jay-Z
Fela Kuti
Kate Bush
Tina Turner

And I guess there will be an Early Influence inductee this year. There's this 3 years pattern: 2009 - Wanda Jackson, 2012 - Freddie King, 2015 - The 5 Royales, 2018 - Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Maybe Carter Family or Roy Brown.

Posted by MichaelEU on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 09:40am


My final predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

I know that they usually go with 5 or 6 inductees and they did 6 inductees last year for 2020, but if they go with 7 inductees again this year just like they did 2 years ago in 2019, then these will be the inductees this year for 2021.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 11:46am


Readers of PROG Magazine had referred to the Grateful Dead as being a prog band. I do not know about the validity of that particular statement, but The Grateful Dead do have at least one album which fits into the prog category: " Terrapin Station." The title track definitely makes the case for The Grateful Dead having progressive aspirations at the time, since it had been released in 1977.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 13:04pm



I wouldn't sleep on Todd Rundgren, guys. Sure, he didn't get in the last two years, but on both of those ballots he had a lot more direct competition from other mainline classic rock acts from the 60s and 70s. This year, not as much. New York Dolls are obviously there, but they are in much more of an alternative niche, and Devo falls more into the post-punk category, but that's about it. Not to mention how well connected Rundgren is within the classic rock community. The Hall may be changing, but a large portion of the voting body is still made up of classic rock guys who will be very receptive to Todd Rundgren's candidacy, especially when there isn't an artist like The Doobie Brothers to split votes away. And I think Todd's hostility towards the Hall as an institution will only matter among the few voters who pay the absolute most attention to the process, not among the many voters who are just voting on whether or not they think the artist deserves recognition.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 15:30pm


Carole King-LOCK
Tina Turner-LOCK
Dionne Warwick-LOCK

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 16:01pm


RG,

I have to absolutely agree with you on Rundgren, I think that this is his year, and once he's in, we'll finally be ready to move on to Warren Zevon and Harry Nilsson, I think that Zevon and Nilsson are next in line in terms of Male Singer-Songwriters from the 70's after Rundgren, Once Todd's in (which I think it will be this year), then it will finally open the door for Zevon and Nilsson to get nominated and inducted.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 16:14pm


I figured I would update the roundup just for identifying the unique predictions.

All four so far predicted Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

Three predictions for Jay-Z and Rage Against The Machine.

Two predictions for Fela Kuti, one as a performer and another as a Musical Excellence Award.

One prediction for Dionne Warwick (Tom Lane), LL Cool J (Eric Layton), Iron Maiden (Eric Layton), Devo (Eric Layton), and Todd Rundgren.

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, and Chaka Khan.

Hopefully Charles, Philip, Alex, Michelle, Who Cares?, Troy, Jason, and FLR will come out with their predictions soon enough.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 16:38pm


My final predictions for who will be inducted in 2021:

*The Go-Go's
*Jay-Z
*Carole King
*Tina Turner
*Dionne Warwick

Dark Horses/6th or 7th inductees:

Todd Rundgren
Rage Against the Machine
Fela Kuti
Kate Bush (surprised that she's gotten a lot of votes from voters who shared their ballot to the public)

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 21:37pm


I'm going to change my original prediction from February, and even eliminate one person that I thought then was going to be a lock (Jay-Z) to the following:

Tina Turner (who I think is the only LOCK now of all the nominees)
the Go-Go's
Foo Fighters- considered them a LOCK previously but not so sure now
Dionne Warwicke
Kate Bush
Iron Maiden- considered a LOCK before, due to lack of hard rock competition except RATM

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Sunday, 05/2/2021 @ 22:26pm


Hey RG,

It's me Plebeian! (Plebian correctly spelled)

Do you think Todd can fit in as part of the performers or has enough votes to consider for ME? Another thing what does the RG stand for? I don't think we ever asked what it meant since you're arrival.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 01:17am


RG,
Thanks for the heads up on probable timing for Induction Announcement. I didn't know fan vote ends on May 7. Announcements are always a little after that Vote ends. During my 2 day hiatus from my series I put it on hold for prediction chat. I want to say also you make a good point about Todd Rundgren. I personally don't know his Albums very well. I own a cd called Flashback with Todd Rundgren. It's a Greatest hits type cd. I like Hello It's Me, I Saw the Light, Sometimes I don't know what to feel. Be Nice to me and a few others. There is not many True Classic rock acts of the 60s and 70s. But nonetheless I will keep my list the same. As much as I love Old classic rock people I think the Hall gives that a rest. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 04:21am


Follower,

Thank you for posting this. I have not seen it in over a decade, or so. Of course, if the final choice had been between "Tarkus" by Emerson Lake & Palmer and "Close To The Edge" by Yes, then I would be inclined to vote for "Close To The Edge" by Yes.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 07:16am


PlebEian,

My point is that he will be inducted as a performer this year. I think he would certainly have the support from the committee to induct as an ME if it came to it, but I think they'd rather get him in as a performer. Remember, it's only his third time on the ballot, which can easily be chalked up to "it wasn't the right ballot for him to get in the first two times." This isn't a Nile Rodgers situation where they just keep trying for a decade and get absolutely nowhere just yet.

RG are my initials.

Posted by RG on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 08:19am


Alex just gave us his predictions!
Tina Turner
Carole King
Jay-Z
The Go-GO's
Foo Fighters
if six, Devo
if seven, New York Dolls.

Roundup:

All five so far predicted Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

Four predictions for Jay-Z

Three predictions for Rage Against the Machine

Two predictions for Fela Kuti (one as a performer and another as a Musical Excellence Award) and Devo

One prediction for Dionne Warwick (Tom Lane), LL Cool J (Eric Layton), Iron Maiden (Eric Layton), New York Dolls (AlexVoltaire) and Todd Rundgren (Nick Bambach).

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, and Chaka Khan.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 11:50am


RG=Robert Gray=Pennywise the Dancing Clown. He's IT!!

On Janet Jackson: she is beyond deserving for the RRHOF. For all those who thumb their noses at pop becoming rock, it's ALWAYS been rock and roll. She, along with Madonna, Whitney and even Tina Turner, paved the way for the "divas" of the 1980s which culminated in countless stars getting their chance, most notably, the Britney/Christina feud of the early 2000s (yes, their time is coming too, and purists will scream bloody murder), as well as two ladies who currently own the world of music and pop culture, Beyonce Knowles and Rihanna Fenty. She belongs, Whitney belongs, and hopefully this year Tina will get her turn, for her rock roots and her pop influence both. As far a chronicle of Janet's career, or anyone else, I will try to elucidate in a near future post, but real life has limited my ability to post here overmuch lately

And to the RRHOF ballot, I will reiterate my choices yet again (not who I want to see, but who I think will get in)

1. Jay Z
2. Tina Turner
3. Todd Rundgren
4. The Go Gos
5. The Foo Fighters
6. Carole King

I don't foresee any real surprises. And that's sort of sad. Hope everyone is good! 4 days left to get the vote out!

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 13:00pm


K-Dawg -

Down here on futurerocklegends.com, the premier online resource for Rock & Roll Hall of Fame related information, we all float.

Posted by RG on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 17:02pm


Heh, IT.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 17:57pm


K-Dawg,

Is it just me or do the Rock Hall Watchers and the rest of us have gotten more cynical lately?

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 20:16pm


K Dawg,
You gave a response to Janet Jackson. Unlike other Rock fans I can understand some Pop in the Hall. I did say "She's NOT my thing. But this a chance to prove that even though I don't like Janet J she is deserved for Induction anyway". I copied and pasted that from myself. We just need to think of the Hall as a Contemporary Music Hall. Contemporary music can be called Rock.
In fact I am a Tina Turner fan. Tina Turner I think should have been inducted before Janet. In some ways Tina T led to Janet J. But hey it's water under the bridge. Just to stick with this year's predictions. Tina Turner is one of the Total Locks for this year. Tina has gotten on in years. I think she is 81 She needs to be Inducted ASAP. And it will happen. Your predictions are close to mine.I'm just not sure about Todd R inducted. As a Performer anyway.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 20:58pm


Thanks Ben!

On Todd Rundgren, I grow weary of richies endless obsession of repeating his posts at times, but I will give him credit where it's due. I think he's dead on with much of the classic rock contingent going with Todd as the standard bearer. I would LOVE to see Maiden get in ahead of him, but my heart and head are separate on this. Aside from being annoyed at kraftwerk 's omission, I am sure trends are gonna follow a predictable path.

Yes, plaebeian, sorry I'm not scrolling back to look how to spell your name this time lol, but I think we're beyond ready to get these names already for this cycle. We've waited far beyond the normal time for it. It's making us all cranky waiting

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 05/3/2021 @ 23:47pm


Although the fan vote isn't done yet (and the top 5 doesn't seem to change before the fan vote is over), the actual ballot is already finished.

Do any of you think that there's going to be some leaks soon?

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 05/4/2021 @ 00:10am


John R.C.,

As for leaks coming soon, I would have to absolutely say yes, I think that there will be leaks again this year just like 2019 and 2020, I absolutely think that the inductees will be leaked again this year just like the past two years.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/4/2021 @ 00:57am


I am now continuing with the 2019 Class. I said earlier that I am Not a fan of the Cure. Another act that's Not my thing. Here it's because they are an unusual band tp me. Hey maybe it's Robert Smith's hair. However, I predicted them for induction in 2019. Out of all the bands that emerged in the early 80s, few were as enduring and popular. as the Cure. I'm Not into their slow, gloomy dirges. I have no Problem with them in the Hall. They've been around a long time. They are deserved for induction in the Hall.
Their induction was a breakthrough for 80's alternative /New Wave band. Someone else can elaborate here. One of you guys that Loves the Cure.
In late 1985 the Cure released the Head on the Door. The Cure followed the breakthrough success of The Head on the Door in 1986 with the compilation Standing on a Beach: The Singles. Standing on a Beach did well in the U.K., but more importantly, it established the band as a major cult act in the U.S.; the album. In short, Standing on a Beach set the stage for 1987's double album Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me. The album was diverse but it was a hit, spawning four hit singles in the U.K. ("Why Can't I Be You," "Catch," "Just Like Heaven," "Hot Hot Hot!!!") and the group's first American Top 40 hit, "Just Like Heaven." I think I actually know this one
The Cure released Disintegration. Released in the spring of 1989, the album was more melancholy than its predecessor, but it was an immediate hit, reaching number three in the U.K. and number 14 in the U.S., and spawning a series of hit singles. "Lullaby" became the group's biggest British hit in the spring of 1989, peaking at number five. In the late summer, the band had its biggest American hit with "Love Song," which climbed to number two. I did own Disintegration on cassette. I play it a few times and tossed it to the side. On the Disintegration tour, the Cure began playing stadiums across the U.S. and the U.K. In the fall of 1990, the Cure released Mixed Up, a collection of remixes featuring a new single, "Never Enough." Following the Disintegration tour, there was several personnel changes. In the spring of 1992, the band released Wish. Like Disintegration, Wish was an immediate hit, entering the British charts at number one and the American charts at number two, as well as launching the hit singles "High" and "Friday I'm in Love." I think I know these 2 also. I've never listened to them heavily.
The Cure were inducted into the Rn'R Hall of Fame in 2019. They did perform at the ceremony. They played Shake Dog Shake, A Forest, Love Song, Just Like Heaven and Boys don't Cry. That's it for the Cure. Hey i mixed up the order of performing. Janet Jackson was after the Cure. I don't think anyone cares about this order for acts. Hear from ya guys

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/4/2021 @ 05:29am


Yeah so after The Cure segment it was Janet Jackson. As a matter of fact I prefer the Pop of Janet Jackson to the Cure slightly more. I would have enjoyed a performance of Janet somewhat. It would have been a somewhat conventional performance. True I like some Left field acts but the Cure was always too left field to me. This indicates some support for Pop in the Hall. I did Not have a problem with Madonna inducted into the Hall. But Tina Turner should have been inducted just shortly after Madonna. And also I love Tina Turner. You get the picture. So I'm discussing extra stuff on Janet J. K Dawg is more knowledgable on Janet, He should definitely chronicle Her career if he has time.
As we have seen in the last 35+ years, the RRHOF Inductees have been a source of looks, music, and sounds. Janet Jackson was a Superstar with numerous hits. I don't think she was the strongest vocalist and I can't remember seeing her playing any instruments. However, she was a good songwriter and good dancer and is good in the choreography of the dancing. This paved the way for the future sing and dance bands of the 1990's. Plenty of Influence there. I've seen her mentioned as key in the New Jack Swing type music. You could say that was Innovative. She is more deserved than let's say Cher. Well that's it for now.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/4/2021 @ 08:09am


John RC,

If I remember correctly, the leaks in the last two years were because the artist pages on the halls website started updating the night before the announcement, so I wouldn't be shocked to see that happen again.

I personally will not be following any leaks, I discovered with this nomination announcement that I really like reacting along with the live reaction episodes of the "Who Cares..." podcast.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/4/2021 @ 08:43am


What leaks? Can anyone please explain about it.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Tuesday, 05/4/2021 @ 19:13pm


Just came to mind:

Since Irving Azoff always gets what he wants, when was the last time an act managed by him was on the ballot and didn't get inducted? Excluding when multiple acts managed by him were on the ballot (2019), of course.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/4/2021 @ 20:31pm


Follower,

Bon Jovi got in the second try. So Azoff is not invincible too much, but he still has a high percentage rate.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 05/4/2021 @ 20:40pm


Things will pick up for the 2019 with the Zombies. The Zombies were great. The Zombies are Next, And that's Now. The Zombies were one of the bands of the original British Invasion back in the 1960s. Obviously there was the Beatles, Rolling Stones and the Who. All Inducted very early. Along the Animals and Dave Clark Five have been inducted, For some reason the Zombies got left behind. It says a lot that a 60s band can be Inducted even in 2019. The Zombies are one of my favorite bands of the old British Invasion. I think they were nominated 3 or 4 times and got Inducted. That makes sense with all the 1970s,80s and even 90s Bands getting Inducted recently. I first knew the Zombies when I was around 7or 8 years old. She's Not There and Tell Her No were still played a lot on AM radio. This was about 7 years after these hits were huge. but Am was still cranking. Nobody Other than the Beatles, the Beach Boys and perhaps the Byrds
wrote melodies as gorgeous as those of the Zombies, They were dominated by Colin Blunstone on Vocals and Rod Argent on organ and piano. There was also Chris White. She's Not There was a huge top 10 hit in Late 1964.
In early 1965 came another hit of British Invasion pop, Tell Her No. The weird thing is throughout 1965 and 66, the Zombies released a string of fine singles that flopped. Remember When I loved Her and I Want you Back are vaguely familiar. I'll back to you on those. Some of these songs are downbeat. That's why they flopped.. More on the Zombies

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 06:12am


I continue with the Zombies. By 1967, the group hadn't had a hit for quite some time, and reckoned it was time to pack it in. Their Decca contract expired early in the year, and the Zombies signed with CBS for one last album, knowing before the sessions that it was to be their last. A limited budget reduced the use of many session musicians, which actually worked to the Zombies' advantage, as they became among the first to utilize the Mellotron to simulate strings and horns. There is that Mellotron use in the 1960s once again.
Odessey and Oracle was their only well produced full-length record(the first album was largely pasted together from singles and covers). A near-masterpiece of psychedelia, it showed the group reaching new levels of sophistication in composition and performance, finally branching out beyond strictly romantic themes into more varied lyrical territory. I have heard most of this album . Some of it is pretty good. I like Care of Cell 44, Butcher's Tale and of course Time of the Season.
The Zombies had been broken up for some time when one of the tracks from Odessey, "Time of the Season," was released as a single, almost as an afterthought. It took off in early 1969 to become their biggest hit, By this time, Rod Argent was already recording as the leader of Argent, which went in a harder rock direction than the Zombies. After a spell as an insurance clerk, Colin Blunstone had some success (more in Britain than America) in the early '70s as a solo vocalist, with material that often amounted to soft rock variations on the Zombies sound.
Much more influential than their commercial success would indicate, echoes of the Zombies' innovations can be heard in the Doors, the Byrds, the Left Banke, the Kinks, and many others. After a long period during which most of their work was out of print, virtually all of their recordings have been restored to availability on CD. Blunstone and Argent reunited for an album, Out of the Shadows, and toured together in 2003 as Blunstone & Argent, playing live shows into 2004 when they began gigging again as the Zombies.
And in 2019 the Zombies were inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame. They were inducted by Susannah Hoffs. As it turns out she was huge fan of the Zombies in the late 60s. I learned then that she had turned 60. So she was there to hear the Zombies. The Zombies did perform. They are one of the Oldest bands to perform at a Hall ceremony these days. The Zombies performed their 3 hits. She's Not There, Tell Her No and Time of the Season

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 08:32am


Hey Guys,

The 2021 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees will be announced next Wednesday, May 12.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 08:34am


My final prediction on the next class:

Foo Fighters
Devo
The Go-Go's
Dionne Warwick
Tina Turner
Carole King
Jay-z

My wildcard that could possible make is either New York Dolls or Rage Against the Machine. You have one band that could extend the glam, and one that could make it as a last-minute response to today's political climate before the anti-woke agenda falls completely (which is happening now due to personal frustrations from the general public). While the Hall should be a hundred percent apolitical, I considered the addition of certain names like Rage as an exception because they always have been woke band since the beginning whether they like it or not.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 09:13am


Just hoping there are a minimum of 6 inductees, and hopefully 7. Plus at least one Musical Excellence. Anything less would be really depressing with this ballot.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 09:32am


My final prediction on the next class:

Foo Fighters
Devo
The Go-Go's
Dionne Warwick
Tina Turner
Carole King
Jay-z

My wildcard that could possible make it is either New York Dolls or Rage Against the Machine. You have one band that could extend the glam train, and one that could make it as a last-minute response to today's political climate before the anti-woke agenda falls completely (which is happening now due to personal frustrations from the general public). While the Hall should be a hundred percent apolitical, I considered the addition of certain names like Rage as an exception because they always have been a woke band since the beginning whether they like it or not.

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 09:48am


FINAL PREDICTION

Inductees (6):
Carole King
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
The Go-Go's
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence:
Carol Kaye

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 12:30pm


May 12th? That only gives a few days for everyone else to predict. Anyway, here's Troy L. Smith:

Foo Fighters
Tina Turner
Jay-Z
The Go-Go's
New York Dolls
Todd Rundgren
Fela Kuti.

All six so far predicted Tina Turner, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

Five predictions for Jay-Z and Carole King

Three predictions for Rage Against the Machine and Fela Kuti

Two predictions for Devo, New York Dolls, and Todd Rundgren

One prediction for Dionne Warwick (Tom Lane), LL Cool J (Eric Layton), and Iron Maiden (Eric Layton)

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, and Chaka Khan.

I doubt I'll get 13 like last time, but hopefully I can at least get FLR. Michelle, Donnie, Jason, Joe from Who Cares?, and Philip all might skip out this year, but I sure hope not! (Especially Philip and Donnie, I like the way they both predict.)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 12:39pm


John Heilemann of MSNBC mentioned 3 of the 5 acts he voted for. Two on MSNBC and one on twitter.

Todd Rundgren, The Go-Go's, LL Cool J

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 13:31pm


2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME OFFICIAL VOTING

SO FAR PUBLIC

9 Votes for The Go-Go's
8 Votes for Tina Turner
7 Votes for Todd Rundgren
6 Votes for Dionne Warwick
6 Votes for Kate Bush

5 Votes for Rage Against The Machine
5 Votes for Fela Kuti
5 Votes for Devo
4 Votes for New York Dolls
3 Votes for Jay-Z
3 Votes for Iron Maiden
3 Votes for Foo Fighters
3 Votes for LL Cool J
2 Votes for Carole King
2 Votes for Chaka Khan
1 Vote for Mary J. Blige

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 13:37pm


New York Dolls, LL Cool J And More Are Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees | Morning Joe | MSNBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01pTudkWJ14

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 14:23pm


With the 2021 inductees being announced a week from now, Here are my picks on who will be 2021 induction class for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
New York Dolls
Tina Turner

If there're seven inductees, Todd Rundgren.
If eight, Rage Against The Machine

Musical Excellence: Fela Kuti
Early Influence: Ella Fitzgerald
Ahmet Ertegun Award: Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, Rick Rubin.

Posted by Zack F on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 15:32pm


With the 2021 inductees being announced a week from now, Here are my final predictions for the 2021 inductees:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

Wild Cards/Dark Horses: New York Dolls, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick, Devo, LL Cool J.

Hopeless/Lost Causes: Chaka Khan, Kate Bush, Mary J. Blige, Fela Kuti.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 19:04pm


I have a feeling that Early Influence Kraftwerk is on the way this year.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 22:16pm


Follower,

I don't think that Kraftwerk will get in as an Early Influence this year, When they get in, It should and will be as Performers, I'm thinking that it'll take them two more tries before they'll finally get in on their 8th nomination just like Black Sabbath and The Stooges.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/5/2021 @ 22:43pm


I'm going to finish 2019 and then stop! It's getting close to the 2021 announcement of Inductees, It's NOT my intention to conflict with Final Prediction and Inductee winner talk.
AND so the act that headlined for 2019 was Def Leppard. This makes sense. Overall they are the most popular act of this class. Yeah it could have been Stevie Nicks but it seems like the band wanted some band to close. Also overall, Def Leppard are more ultimate superstars. than the other 2019 inductees,
In many ways Def Leppard were the definitive Hard Rock band of the 80s. There were groups that rocked harder like Motorhead and Iron Maiden but few captured the 80s quite as well. Emerging in the late 70s as part of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal , Def Leppard got very popular by emphasizing melody.
Def Leppard originated in Sheffield, England as a group formed by Rick Savage(Bass) and Pete Willis(guitar). Joe Elliot , a fanatic of Mott the Hoople and T Rex, joined as singer right after. Rick Allen then joined as drummer. .Their early albums were ON Through the Night and High n'Dry. Steve "Screamin" Clark was added as guitarist, I remember they opened for Ozzy and Judas Priest. I heard about that. I think they opened in 1981. It was in announced in Concert ads on the radio. I have never seen Def Leppard live. I saw Ozzy on the Bark of the Moon tour. Another band opened. I think it was a band called WAYSTED.
Anyway, As the band recorded the follow-up to High 'n' Dry with producer Mutt Lange, Pete Willis was fired from the group because of his alcoholism, and Phil Collen, was hired to replace him. The resulting album, 1983's Pyromania, became an unexpected blockbuster, due not only to Def Leppard's skillful, melodic metal, but also to MTV's repeating Videos of "Photograph" and "Rock of Ages." Pyromania went on to sell ten million copies, establishing Def Leppard as one of the most popular bands in the world. Despite their success, they were about to enter a trying time in their career. Following an extensive international tour, the group reentered the studio to record the follow-up, but producer Lange was unavailable, so they began sessions with Jim Steinman, the man responsible for Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell. The pairing turned out to be a bad idea so the band turned to their former engineer, Nigel Green. One month into recording, Allen lost his left arm in a New Year's Eve car accident. The arm was reattached, but it had to be amputated once an infection set in. This is a Tragedy I remember hearing at New Years as 1984 began. I love Pyromania. It's a great album. I remember it having decent reviews during 1983. I love most of Pyromania. Almost every song is Very good. More on Def Leppard soon, I need to wrap this up. KING, K-Dawg please give DEF Leppard review of some kind. King, I know you love Def Leppard. It was probably your favorite of the 2019 Inductee, HEAR from Ya! Hear from ya! It's Def Leppard

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/6/2021 @ 06:05am


Ben,

Many apologies,

I have been "under the weather" for the past several days. After the inductees announcement, I will attempt to get back to my previous proto-prog (both U.S and U.K.) discussion arcs.


As far as the 2019 inductees are concerned, I happen to own several recordings by both Stevie Nicks and Roxy Music and I also own a greatest hits compilation and "Odessey and Oracle" by The Zombies. Those are the three artists that I had voted for every single time. Those are the artists whose music I would definitely be interested in discussing.

I presently own zero recordings by either Janet Jackson, Def Leppard, The Cure, or Radiohead, although I felt that both The Cure and Radiohead had thoroughly deserved their inductions. I am quite obviously not a fan of either Janet Jackson, nor Def Leppard.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 05/6/2021 @ 10:28am


I'll dive more into them soon, but my best exposure to def leppard is their even bigger successor to Pyromania. Hysteria is one of the most legendary albums ever produced in my opinion, and was their definite apex before their decline. They are still one of the greatest, but as the 90s shifted away from glam rock and tge image, Leppard faltered a bit. Their evolving style was notable and respectable, but they were never again the juggernauts they had become in the 80s

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 05/6/2021 @ 11:09am


K-Dawg,

Hysteria is honestly one of the best albums from the 80s. Every song hits and flows so well. Everything after kind of pales in comparison. Probably has to do with the death of Steve Clark though. I love Def Leppard still and was exposed to the whole Rock Hall thing because of their induction.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/6/2021 @ 11:24am


Remember the adage: "time flies by?"

Well, we are now beginning the 5th month of this year. From early January until late April, I had been thoroughly engrossed in my work. Due to dealing with various maladies, I had unexpectedly taken the past several days off from work.

Of course, I am not going to even make the slightest attempt to predict this year's induction class. From what I have read, those choices are all over the map. Several years ago, Philip of "Rock Hall Monitors" had proposed an all female artist ballot. Although I did not agree with all of his choices, I had been impressed by the fact that 7 female artists (nearly half of the artists are women) are on this ballot. The fact that only slightly more than 7% of the Rock Hall Inductees are women is somewhat disheartening. Of course, when push came to shove, I had voted for all of the female artists at least a few times.

These are the artists who I have voted for nearly 100% of the time and why:

1. Kate Bush- as one of the two prog artists on this year's ballot, I have been an aficionado of her work since the mid 1980's. I happen to enjoy her quirky and eccentric take on traditional male prog. I had owned a copy of Kate Bush's compilation, "The Whole Story" on cd. 'Sat In Your Lap' happens to be one of my favorite songs, although not my only favorite song by Kate Bush.

2. Dionne Warwick- I had grown up with the music of Dionne Warwick as a young child. 'Do You Know The Way To San Jose?,' 'I'll Never Fall in Love Again,' 'I Say A Little Prayer' and other songs were definitely part of my late parent's record collection.

3. Tina Turner- I happen to know more about Tina's acting career with her role in "Tommy" (1975) as the "acid queen" and "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" (1985) as Aunty Entity," than I do about her solo work. I am also familiar with the iconic 'What's Love Got To Do With It' and 'Private Dancer,' unfortunately, I have never owned any of her solo recordings.

4. Carole King- I happen to own a copy of "Tapestry" on cd and 'It's Too Late' happens to be one of my favorite songs. Even so, Carole King happens to be a great singer/songwriter and a great performer and definitely deserves to be inducted as such.

5. The Go-Gos- Yes, there was a time in the early 1980's when I had actually liked the Go-Gos. 'Our Lips Are Sealed' and 'We Got The Beat' were catchy tunes. I may have owned a copy of "Beauty and The Best" on vinyl. I am not so sure, since almost my entire my record collection (vinyl l.p.'s) had been given away to charity decades ago. I had also been impressed with Belinda Carlisle's solo work, in particular 'Heaven Is A Place On Earth.'


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 05/6/2021 @ 12:01pm


Ben,

By all means, please continue with your assessment of the 2019 and 2020 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction classes. I am very eager to hear your take on the 2020 inductees, especially: The Doobie Brothers, Depeche Mode, T. Rex and the late great Whitney Houston.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 05/6/2021 @ 12:15pm


K Dawg,
I did NOT finish Def Leppard History And experiences. HYSTERIA is Awesome. I had to rush to Work this morning. I'm NEVER late. The rest of the Details for DEF Leppard are later TODAY. I do actually like Hysteria just as much. So Still to come is the Setback of Rick Allen's accident and the Amazing Hysteria album. I will Cover their albums of the 90s too. Like ADRENALIZE. That's their biggest album of the 90s. I will Elaborate late. I'm still at WORK. Talk to ya later

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/6/2021 @ 12:39pm


So the time has finally come for the Rock Hall to pick their 5-6 (or 7) inductees for the class of 2021.

I'll break down the ones I think are definite shoo-ins:

1.) Tina Turner - I had predicted she would be nominated for 2020 but instead it was Whitney who was nominated. For starters, Tina has probably influenced virtually every female artist (and a good chunk of male acts) who appealed to R&B and rock. Second, she led what many still call the greatest musical comeback of any pop legend though Tina would argue she hadn't arrived until Private Dancer. Third, she's more than proven she left the shadow of her former partner and adversary Ike. And probably the most important note: she has virtually earned every big honor with the exception of a solo induction so this would cap a legendary career.

2.) Jay-Z - the nominee with less attention than the others, the artist who hasn't put much focus on his nomination. But after the induction of his mentor, the Notorious B.I.G., I can't see Jay NOT getting in. A few years before, he became the first rap lyricist to be inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. He also has the fortune of having albums that were both artistically and commercially successful. Even with his nomination getting much but a shrug, I can't see the Hall not inducting him this year even though most have complained of LL Cool J getting passed over.

3.) Foo Fighters - this probably has as much to do with Pat Smear as it does Dave Grohl. Some argued that Smear (along with original drummer Chad Channing) should've been inducted with Grohl, Krist and Kurt. I don't know the opinion of some but I don't think a Foo Fighters induction will be a problem. They gets lots of love.

Now that I got the shoo-ins, here are the others who I'm sure WILL get in this year if not an immediate lock:

1.) The Go-Gos - for years, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame had either inducted one female act a year. But in the 2019 induction, both Stevie Nicks and Janet Jackson were in. It's a shame that it was seen as "progressive" for more than one female inductee to be inducted. That said, we may see up to 3 or 4 female inductees this year. Tina Turner is one, the Go-Gos are another. And no I'm not just judging on the fan vote where they're behind Fela Kuti and Tina. I feel they're riding on some momentum and 2021 could break them in since it's been 40 years since their breakthrough in the early 80s where they led a revolution of sorts of female rock bands and acts that took over the men's club. It's a shame it's taken years for the Go-Gos to get recognized but 2021 is perfect for them.

2.) Carole King - the third female act likely to be inducted immediately shares a whole lot with Tina. Carole was inducted in a previous year with HER ex-husband and yet also broke out of HIS shadow. Like Tina, she has a Grammy winning magnum opus. And like Tina, she has been considered a huge RRHOF snub. I think she should easily get in along with Tina and the Go-Gos. Having three female inductees this year would be awesome and I feel this year will be the one.

Now, the probable sixth inductee:
This either could be a wildcard or a dark horse but I don't think it will. I do see a 7-inductee class and inductee number 6 will likely be Fela Kuti, who has had a fan-run campaign that, at one point, ruled the Rock Hall fan vote due to the campaign until Tina took over. Fela was not on too many people's minds but if Bob Marley got in, Fela should too. JMHO.

Seventh inductee?
I always argued that there would be a seventh inductee every last three years. 2019 had seven inductees. 2020 had six. 2021 would probably have 7...or not.

So the argument should be "who will be the seventh inductee if there are seven?"

Let's break down who we have left to pick from:
Devo
Todd Rundgren
Iron Maiden
Dionne Warwick
Rage Against the Machine
LL Cool J
Mary J Blige
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
New York Dolls

If there is a case we'll have a 7th inductee, I have picked three potential inductees:

Dionne Warwick - the only 60s act in the list (unless you count Tina, who was first credited solely in 1964 and recorded half of the River Deep - Mountain High album as a soloist), she is one of three who represents R&B and soul on this list (Mary J and Chaka are the two others). Obviously there will be a three-way split here with the three but Dionne has a push the other two have - the induction of cousin Whitney Houston last year. With Whitney and Bruce Springsteen being the biggest New Jersey natives to get in the Rock Hall. Dionne has a lot going for her. She is regarded as the first successful black female crossover act and could be, or should be, considered an influential artist of black pop. She preceded the mid-1960s domination of Motown Records. And Clive Davis is still active and influential in who gets in and Dionne was part of Arista.. Would that be enough? Who knows? She doesn't have a magnum opus like Whitney or Tina or Carole. Most of what she has been known since she last topped the charts in the mid-80s is for non-musical stuff. The Whitney induction probably convinced the Hall to finally consider her. But would it take Burt Bacharach and Hal David getting in to, no pun intended, make it easier for Dionne? Maybe.

Devo - this year could finally do it for the new wave pioneers. After Kraftwerk, Devo seems to be the biggest electronic act that have yet to get their just due. But I still wonder if it's still bad timing for the boys who gave us Jocko Homo, Mongoloid and Whip It? Maybe, maybe not but I will not be surprised one way or another. Also Trent Reznor, a big fan of Devo, could help bring them in.

New York Dolls - After years of being passed over following the 1996 induction of David Bowie, glam rock has finally gotten through the door with the inductions of two of its most iconic bands - Roxy Music in 2019 and T. Rex in 2020. Could the New York Dolls be number three? Maybe. I actually like their chances better than Devo and Dionne. But here's what could hold them back: a possible induction for the cranky rock genius Todd Rundgren. As long as Rundgren is not in, the Dolls would probably have to wait. Or an induction this year still could happen if the Hall enters Todd in the Musical Excellence category. Either way, the Dolls should be the act to watch.

Possible surprises?
Now most are sure that of this year's inductees but as we know about the Hall, nothing is ever as it seems. And there are still two acts that could throw a monkey wrench in the predictions this year.

1.) Mary J Blige - the most active musician on this list, MJB was likely picked following the recent inductions of Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston. She has a lot running on an induction that could happen this year or next. Unfortunately she was nominated in a busy list so that could dampen her chances and the Rock Hall are still nominating Chaka Khan one way or another. Plus she has Dionne, Jay Z (with whom she duetted on the 1996 rap classic Can't Knock the Hustle), LL Cool J and, on the smaller end of the spectrum, Tina to contend with. With six black nominees, it's one of the busiest years for African Americans on the list after 2014 (and we know what happened that year!). What makes it tougher for MJB is she is the rare act who is both hip hop and R&B and this could force the Hall to nominate her next year. But don't be shocked if she gets it over, say, Dionne just in case there's a 7th inductee.

2.) LL Cool J - Attention has been given that LL's been snubbed and some saying how unfair it is for him as the first big rap solo superstar to not be in, especially after his Queens natives Run-DMC shoo-in their way in. So, they argue, put him in already. LL was recently given a Kennedy Center Honor for his contributions to rap and yet he's always been left behind. If MJB or Jay Z is passed over, this leads an easy opening for him. Or will it? Stay tuned.

Maybe next time:
1.) Chaka Khan - it seems unfair. Chaka deserves an induction. But will the Hall consider her solo career more important than Tina? No. Mary J. Blige, who recorded her 1975 hit with Rufus, "Sweet Thing", has a more successful catalog of hits (Khan's chart success peaked in 1985). As do Dionne Warwick. If success was judged on who got in, Chaka will be left off. Influence? Dionne, MJB and Tina have that above her too (in fact when Chaka debuted with Rufus, she was regarded as "a pint-size Tina Turner"). Chaka is a big name though due to her jazzy voice playing a big part in a lot of music careers so she is influential to a degree. But it would probably be best to induct her with Rufus and just add the solo songs so both careers could get their just due. I do see her getting in but over Dionne Warwick and Tina Turner? Nah.

2.) Iron Maiden - they're number four on the fan vote so obviously metal fans want them in but as we saw last year with Motorhead and Judas Priest, I can't see them getting in, least this year. If the Rock Hall were like sports inductions, they would get in but since the Hall is so strict, I can't say for certainty that they have enough.

3.) Kate Bush - second nomination for her but she picked a bad time. Devo, Todd and Carole King will likely split her votes. There's still a fighting chance for her like Chaka but not this year.

4.) Rage Against the Machine - Tom Morello is part of the RRHOF committee but I see his band getting blocked by say the votes for the Foo Fighters and even Iron Maiden and New York Dolls. They probably will get in sometime in the near future but not at this present time.

Musical Excellence for Todd?
So where does this leaves Todd Rundgren? Who knows? But I definitely see an opening if the Hall gives him a "backdoor induction" as they did Nile Rodgers after Chic's multiple nominations. But the way Todd was complaining, I can't really see him getting in but if he does, I wouldn't be surprised. He deserves some induction. We'll see on the 12th.

My final list of inductees:
Tina Turner
Jay Z
The Go-Gos
Carole King
Foo Fighters
Fela Kuti
Dionne Warwick/Devo/New York Dolls for the 7th spot
Todd Rundgren for ME

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 05/6/2021 @ 17:35pm


Ok. I will continue with Details on Def Leppard. Def Leppard's future looked very shaky without a drummer, but by the spring of 1985 -- just a few months after his accident -- Allen began learning to play a custom-made electronic kit assembled for him. The band soon resumed recording, and within a few months, Lange was back on board; having judged all the existing tapes inferior, he ordered the band to begin work all over again. Recording sessions continued throughout 1986, and that summer, the group returned to the stage for the European Monsters of Rock tour. Def Leppard finally completed their fourth album, now titled Hysteria, early in 1987. The record was released that Summer to lukewarm reviews, with many critics claiming that the album compromised Leppard's metal roots for sweet pop flourishes. Accordingly, Hysteria was slow rising up the charts-- "Women," the first single, failed to really take hold -- but the release of "Animal" helped the album gather steam. The song became Def Leppard's first Top 40 hit in the U.K., but more importantly, it launched a string of six straight Top 20 hits in the U.S., which also included "Hysteria," "Pour Some Sugar on Me," "Love Bites," "Armageddon It," and "Rocket," that last hit which arrived in 1989, a full two years after the release of Hysteria. During those two years, Def Leppard was everywhere. They were the kings of Pop metal, ruling the charts and MTV. People imitated their teased hair. I liked a bit of Hair Rock/Metal at the time.
Hysteria is a Very well produced album. It's pretty good. They did reach their height at this time.
They were on the decline after that. Steve "Screamin" Clark died of addiction in the beginning of the 90s I think. Def Leppard released Adrenalize in Spring1992. It contains the hit Let''s Get Rocked. That's the one the one I remember on ADRENALIZE. It was number 1 but was then a Commercial disappointment. In 1993 there was a Rarities album, Retroactive. Slang arrived in 1996. I only know the title. It indicated that Leonard's heyday had indeed passed. Other albums like Euphoria followed. They were on the decline. They were never again the Suoerstars they were In the 80s.
In 2019 Def Leppard were inducted into the Hall. They are certainly Deserved. They are a bit overdue.Some of my Favs from Def Leppard are Photograph, Stage Fright, Too Late For Love, Rock of Ages, Animal, Pour Some Sugar on Me and GODS of War.Def Leppard rocks. Bryan May inducted them. That is rather fitting. They gave their speeches. Then Def Leppard performed Photograph, Rock of Ages and Pour Some Sugar on Me. They led the All Star Jam of All the Young Dudeewith a Coool surprise guest, Ian Hunter. That's Def Leppard. And that's the 2019 Ceremony. Ok Guys I got some of your reviews on Def Lep. Where is King? Well Hear from Ya. That's is for Now

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/6/2021 @ 17:48pm


Timothy Pernell,

Great to see you on here again, It's been a while since you've been on here, Anyway, I have to agree with you, I think that there will be a seven-artist class this year and My final predictions for the 2021 inductees are:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

Wild Cards/Dark Horses: New York Dolls, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick, Devo, LL Cool J.

Hopeless/Lost Causes: Chaka Khan, Kate Bush, Mary J. Blige, Fela Kuti (Why is he even here?).

I really hope that you're wrong about Fela Kuti getting inducted this year, I really hope that he gets passed over, He's easily the weakest nominee of the 16 nominees this year by far and I really think that there are other left-field picks that are much more deserving that should have gotten nominated over him this year like Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton and Garth Brooks to name a few, I think that there are not very many voters that will vote for him (There are a few that will like Paul McCartney, Talking Heads, Peter Gabriel, Sting, Brian Eno, Flea, George Clinton, Nile Rodgers, Thom Yorke, Mick Jagger, Elton John and Paul Simon as well as some music critics), but not a lot will vote for him, I just think that the lack of name recognition in America will really hurt his chances of getting in, He has the lowest chances of anyone this year in terms of getting in, So that's why I think that he's the least likely to get in this year, If he gets in this year, It will be either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/6/2021 @ 18:31pm


I hate that you all insist that influence and contributions are the only way to become famous. You dismiss an artist with numerous certified albums because he contributed nothing to rock. This is the hall of FAME. Phenomenal sales indicate fame.

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 02:45am


And just who would that artist be, Garrus?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 03:14am


Enig,
In my opinion the 2019 RnR Hall of Fame Ceremony was rather good. I liked the 2017 and 2018 ceremonies I had especially enjoyed the opening by Stevie Nicks. She revved things up right at the beginning. Stand Back was done fine. Her duets like Leather and Lace. Edge of Seventeen was done great. I had also enjoyed Roxy Music quite a bit. I didn't recognize all the tunes they did. They did Avalon, More Than This and Love is the Drug Well. Janet Jackson gave a nice speech. She did NOT perform because she opposed the Documentary on Brother Michael by HBO.In her speech she talked about the perserverence by Women. As far as the Zombies I was impressed that the Zombies gave a good performance at their age. They were Not going to perform the way they did over 50 years ago. The Def Leppard segment was the best one. It makes sense that they closed. They were such huge superstars in the 80s. Since the 80s is such a trend at the Hall. It makes a lot of sense to have one of the best selling acts of the 80s to close.

This is a great idea of Enig's. He seems to have gone away from this. He has been under the weather, Here are my Overall Ratings of their Careers::

The Cure-7.5/10 (groundbreaking and good)

Def Leppard-9/10 (Very good)

Janet Jackson-7,5/10 (good)

Stevie Nicks-8.5/10 (Very good)

Radiohead-9/10 (groundbreaking and interesting)

Roxy Music-8,5/10 (Very good)

The Zombies-8.5 (Very good)

Well What do you think?

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 05:14am


Follower,

Obviously, he's referring to LL Cool J. His pet project ;)

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 05:33am


Hey Everyone,
I finished 2019 Ceremony fast. I will take a recess until After the Induction announcement. You guys can and Should review the Zombies and Def Leppard. But after May 12 announcement is just FINE. I will discuss the FINAL predictions and then the Induction announcement. For the next 2 weeks. I know the Announcement discussions will wear out kind of fast. After all we will know them. I do know that a LIVE ceremony is planned this time. The SHOCK of PANDEMIC has worn off so Companies and places like the Hall know how to handle it now.
I will assess 2020 after MAY 12 some time. I love the Doobie Brothers and T REX resect the late Great Whitney Houston. That's it for now. I will discuss Final predictions. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 07:14am


Tom Nawrocki of Rolling Stone Magazine - Ballot

http://debris-slide.blogspot.com/2021/05/battle-royale-for-rock-roll-hall-of.html

Carole King
Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z


2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME OFFICIAL VOTING

SO FAR PUBLIC

10 Votes for The Go-Go's
9 Votes for Tina Turner
7 Votes for Dionne Warwick
7 Votes for Todd Rundgren
6 Votes for Kate Bush

5 Votes for Rage Against The Machine
5 Votes for Fela Kuti
5 Votes for Devo
4 Votes for New York Dolls
4 Votes for Jay-Z
3 Votes for Carole King
3 Votes for Iron Maiden
3 Votes for Foo Fighters
3 Votes for LL Cool J
2 Votes for Chaka Khan
1 Vote for Mary J. Blige

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 07:28am


An updated list of the most certified bands in America who are not in the Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors Like with the inclusion of albums, EP's, standard singles, digital singles, ringtones, and video albums.

Maroon 5- 90 Million


Linkin Park- 63.6 Million


Florida Georgia Line- 54 Million


Twenty One Pilots- 53 Million


Alabama- 46.8 Million


Foreigner- 45.5 Million


Panic! At The Disco- 41 Million


The Chicks- 40.8 Million

Train- 40.5 Million 


Coldplay- 37.6 Million


Rascal Flatts- 34.7 Million


Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million


Fall Out Boy- 33 Million


Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million


Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million


Boston- 31 Million


Imagine Dragons- 30 Million


The Carpenters- 29.6 Million


Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million 


Nickelback- 27.8 Million


Motley Crue- 26.8 Million


REO Speedwagon- 26 Million


Creed- 26 Million


3 Doors Down- 25.8 Million


Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million


OneRepublic- 24 Million

Paramore- 23.55 Million


Sade- 23.5 Million

Dan + Shay- 23.5 Million


Kansas- 23 Million


Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million

The Fray- 22.5 Million

No Doubt- 22.1 Million



Fun- 22 Million


Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million


Daughtry- 20 Million


Three Days Grace- 20 Million


Casting Crowns- 18.5 Million


The Monkees- 18 Million


Shinedown- 17.55 Million


Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million


Styx- 17.5 Million


Korn- 17.25 Million


Limp Bizkit- 17 Million


Bad Company- 16.65 Million


Disturbed- 16.5 Million


Breaking Benjamin- 16.5 Million


Sugarland- 16 Million


INXS- 16 Million


Wings- 16 Million


Poison- 15.750 Million


Toto- 15.5 Million


Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million


Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million


The Offspring- 15 Million


The Cranberries- 15 Million


Foster the People- 15 Million


Evanescence- 15 Million


The Band Perry- 14.5 Million


Duran Duran- 14 Million


Skillet- 14 Million


My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million

MercyMe- 13.6 Million

Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million

Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million

Counting Crows- 13 Million

Tool- 12.7 Million

Whitesnake- 12.650 Million


The Killers- 12.6 Million

Avenged Sevenfold- 12.6 Million 


Old Dominion- 12.5 Million


Survivor- 12.5 Million


Blink 182- 12.1 Million


Live- 12 Million


Owl City- 12 Million


Godsmack- 11.6 Million


The Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million


Little Big Town- 11.5 Million


Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million


Savage Garden- 11.5 Million


Judas Priest- 11.1 Million


Scorpions- 11.1 Million


All American Rejects- 11.1 Million


Loverboy- 11 Million


Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million


Three Dog Night- 11 Million


X Ambassadors- 11 Million


5 Seconds of Summer- 11 Million


Slipknot- 10.7 Million


Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million


38 Special- 10.5 Million


Florence & the Machine- 10.5 Million


Bush- 10.5 Million


Muse- 10.5 Million


Men at Work- 10.5 Million


The Black Keys- 10.5 Million

The Lumineers- 10.5 Million

Theory Of A Deadman- 10.5 Million 

Staind - 10.05 Million


Sublime- 10 Million

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 10:51am


The Dude: Thanks for that.

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 15:49pm


Roy, did you get all the ones from the latest Who Cares? episode. Looks like the called NINE people with a ballot!

Small sample size but I am very willing to right off the chances of LL Cool J, Chaka Khan and Mary J Blige based on those numbers. Chaka still has a backdoor option via Musical Excellence.

Dionne Warwick is surprising. Jay-Z will surely kill it with black inductee voters and Foo Fighters/Carole King with inductee guitar acts, right...right?

Tina's induction seems 100% assured at this point. 12 acts running very competitive including Fela Kuti. My guess is the vote count will be so close between 5th and 6th and 7th place that we will be all but certain for seven inductees (especially if sixth and/or seventh happen to be female and/or black).

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 19:27pm


I'm listening to it now.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 19:32pm


Who Cares About The Rock Hall?

The Voter Calling Party Continues!

Joe and Kristen call up some official Rock & Roll Hall of Fame voters to see who they chose on this year's ballot. In some cases, they even fill it out live on the air! Featuring Mike Norman, Laina Dawes, Arthur Levy, Lauren Onkey, Miles Marshall Lewis, Gregg Geller, Rob Tannenbaum, Amy Linden, and Chris Molanphy. This show is part of Pantheon Podcasts.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5lcZDDdSoa6PuVd5zKrgNp

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/who-cares-about-the-rock-hall/id1372323455?i=1000520571365

Mike Norman Ballot

Tina Turner
Iron Maiden
Devo
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z

Laina Dawes Ballot

Carole King
Dionne Warwick
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z

Arthur Levy Ballot

Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
Kate Bush
The Go-Go's
LL Cool J

Lauren Onkey Ballot

Carole King
Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan
The Go-Go's

Miles Marshall Lewis Ballot

Tina Turner
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti
LL Cool J
Jay-Z

Gregg Geller Ballot

Carole King
Dionne Warwick
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's

Rob Tannenbaum Ballot

Dionne Warwick
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's
Mary J. Blige
Jay-Z

Amy Linden Ballot

Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's

Chris Molanphy Ballot

Carole King
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan
Kate Bush
The Go-Go's

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 21:33pm


2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME OFFICIAL VOTING

SO FAR PUBLIC

17 Votes for The Go-Go's
13 Votes for Tina Turner
13 Votes for Dionne Warwick
9 Votes for Todd Rundgren
9 Votes for New York Dolls
8 Votes for Kate Bush
8 Votes for Jay-Z
7 Votes for Carole King

6 Votes for Chaka Khan
6 Votes for Fela Kuti
6 Votes for Devo
5 Votes for Rage Against The Machine
5 Votes for LL Cool J
4 Votes for Iron Maiden
4 Votes for Foo Fighters
2 Vote for Mary J. Blige

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 21:47pm


Foo Fighters really just tanking with the writers' (and other industry related people's) vote. They're likely going to be at such a disadvantage there that they will need to absolutely kill it with inductees of rock bands to get over the hurdle...and I'm just not so sure about that happening. Being a younger act tends to be a detriment for inductees who want to get in their own influences and peers.

Still, there's going to more than likely be seven Performer inductees, so they're still in the hunt. But if you asked me if they would get in if there were just five I'd probably emphatically say "No"

Iron Maiden is absolutely toast. They were never going to get the vote of inductees who aren't into hard rock (and there's clearly many as it's the genre the voters are most obviously against), but struggling that bad with the critics pretty much means the nail in their coffin (especially since their lane is basically clear!). The more populist Priest couldn't get in, so I can't see Maiden doing better with inductees.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 21:52pm


Roy, what is the total publicly revealed ballot count?

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 21:53pm


Roy, what is the total publicly revealed ballot count?

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 21:53pm

Look up or look down, wherever you are. I already posted it.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 21:58pm


Really, it's only Devo from the second half of Roy's list - the bottom 8 - that I can see as actually being competitive overall (not counting Foo Fighters, of course). They're an older rock act with a lot of respect (Rage is younger, failed to get in before and is hard rock adjacent). The other six names just flat out don't have widespread appeal among guitar band inductees.

So,

Ten In The Hunt: Go-Gos,' Tina, Dionne, Todd, Dolls, Kate, Jay-Z, Carole, Devo, Foo Fighters

Maybe Has A Sliver Of A Possibility: Rage

Five D.O.A.: Chaka, Fela, LL, Maiden, Mary

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:01pm


Roy, I meant the total number of BALLOTS counted.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:03pm


Roy, I meant the total number of BALLOTS counted.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:03pm

17 BALLOTS

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:11pm


RIP Lloyd Prince. When was the last time he voted? Anyway, here's an update for the living members of pre-2010 and dead members of post-2010 classes. The last update was in January, so let me know if I made a mistake!:

1986: 2/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis and Don Everly)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 9/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Charlie Watts, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 23/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Calvin Simon, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 5/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Mavis Staples, and Pervis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 10/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2007: 16/19 (Everyone but Cowboy, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen are alive.)
2008: 7/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Don Wilson, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 13 or 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson. It is unknown if Glouster "Nat" Rogers is alive or dead.)

And from 2010 and onward, the dead members will be listed, aside from 2012:

2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2012: 30 or 31/70 (In this case, I'll list the living ones: Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Joey Ambrose, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Norman Thrasher, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, all seven members in Guns N Roses, every Chili Pepper other than Hillel Slovak [7 members], Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, and Glyn Johns. It is unknown if Charles Sutton is alive or dead.)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 20/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)

Posted by Follower on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:12pm


Roy, 17 ballots can't be right. Go-Gos have 17 votes but I see multiple ballots they weren't on...

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:25pm


Roy,

You forgot to include one additional ballot (Jason Gross's ballot) and his ballot is:

Jason Gross Ballot

Tina Turner
Chaka Khan
New York Dolls
The Go-Go's
Fela Kuti

https://twitter.com/jgrossnas/status/1379541925200596999

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:40pm


Casper and Roy,

Here's all the public votes by Rock Hall voters so far for the 2021 ballot and they are:

Sean Fennessey: Kate Bush, Jay-Z, Fela Kuti, Rage Against The Machine and Tina Turner.

Miles Marshall Lewis: Chaka Khan, Jay-Z, Fela Kuti, LL Cool J and Tina Turner.

Evelyn McDonnell: Chaka Khan, The Go-Go's, Carole King, Fela Kuti and Tina Turner.

Howard Stern: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Carole King, Rage Against The Machine and Tina Turner.

Roy Trakin: The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, New York Dolls, Todd Rundgren and Tina Turner.

Jason Gross: Chaka Khan, The Go-Go's, Fela Kuti, New York Dolls and Tina Turner.

John Heilemann: The Go-Go's, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren

Eddie Trunk: Devo, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, New York Dolls and Rage Against The Machine.

Jason Hanley: Devo, The Go-Go's, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z and Tina Turner.

George Varga: Kate Bush, Fela Kuti, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren and Dionne Warwick.

Steven Hyden: Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Todd Rundgren and Tina Turner.

Alexander Shashko: Mary J. Blige, The Go-Go's, Fela Kuti, LL Cool J and Rage Against The Machine.

Karen Glauber: Kate Bush, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Todd Rundgren and Dionne Warwick.

Bob Merlis: Devo, LL Cool J, New York Dolls, Todd Rundgren and Dionne Warwick.

Jim Bessman: Kate Bush, The Go-Go's, New York Dolls and Dionne Warwick.

Jim McGuinn: Devo, The Go-Go's, Todd Rundgren, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick.

Ned Raggett: Kate Bush, Chaka Khan, Devo, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick.

Tom Nawrocki: The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick.

Mike Norman: Devo, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z and Tina Turner.

Laina Dawes: The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, New York Dolls and Dionne Warwick.

Arthur Levy: Kate Bush, The Go-Go's, LL Cool J, New York Dolls and Todd Rundgren.

Lauren Onkey: Chaka Khan, The Go-Go's, Carole King, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick.

Gregg Geller: The Go-Go's, Carole King, New York Dolls, Todd Rundgren and Dionne Warwick.

Rob Tannenbaum: Mary J. Blige, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, New York Dolls and Dionne Warwick.

Amy Linden: Chaka Khan, The Go-Go's, New York Dolls, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick.

Chris Molanphy: Kate Bush, Chaka Khan, The Go-Go's, Carole King and Dionne Warwick.

So just for the record:

18 votes for The Go-Go's.
14 votes for Tina Turner.
13 votes for Dionne Warwick.
10 votes for New York Dolls.
9 votes for Todd Rundgren.
8 votes for Kate Bush and Jay-Z.
7 votes for Chaka Khan, Carole King and Fela Kuti.
6 votes for Devo.
5 votes for LL Cool J and Rage Against The Machine.
4 votes for Foo Fighters and Iron Maiden.
2 votes for Mary J. Blige.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:41pm


Casper,
Looking at your analysis. I can agree with your 10 in the hunt. Why is the Sliver of a Possibility RAGE? And I know DOA is Dead or Alive. But what does Dead or Alive mean with those inductees like Fela Kuti, LL, IRON Maiden, etc. Does it mean that they are DEAD for induction. You may mean Dead for 2021.
I am predicting 5 of your 10 IN the hunt. I can see Devo coming through. They are from OHIO. 2021 CEREMONY is in OHIO. LOTS of Voters will recall Devo. Heyy Mick Jagger could laugh about them and Vote for them. Devo did Satisfaction in 1978. I never liked that.version. I was still fiercely into ORIGJNAL STONES classic at that time. You should respond.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:44pm


Remember the adage: "time flies by?"

Well, we are now beginning the second week of the 5th month of this year. Today is the last day to vote in the Fan vote poll. From early January until late April, I had been thoroughly engrossed in my work. Due to dealing with various maladies, I had unexpectedly taken the past several days off from work.

Of course, I am not going to even make the slightest attempt to predict this year's induction class. From what I have read, those choices are all over the map. Several years ago, Philip of "Rock Hall Monitors" had proposed an all female artist ballot. Although I did not agree with all of his choices, I had been impressed by the fact that 7 female artists (nearly half of the total artists) are on this ballot. The fact that only slightly more than 7% of the Rock Hall Inductees are women is somewhat disheartening. Of course, when push came to shove, I had voted for all of the female artists at least a few times.

These are the artists who I have voted for nearly 100% of the time and why:

1. Kate Bush- as one of the two prog artists on this year's ballot, I have been an aficionado of her work since the mid 1980's. I happen to enjoy her quirky and eccentric take on traditional male prog. I had owned a copy of Kate Bush's compilation, "The Whole Story" on cd. 'Sat In Your Lap' happens to be one of my favorite songs, although not my only favorite song by Kate Bush. Kate Bush is definitely worthy of an induction, in my honest opinion.

2. Dionne Warwick- I had grown up with the music of Dionne Warwick as a young child. 'Do You Know The Way To San Jose?,' 'I'll Never Fall in Love Again,' 'I Say A Little Prayer' and other songs were definitely part of my late parent's record collection. So, do I think that Dionne Warwick deserves an induction into the Rock Hall? Yes, I do!


3. Tina Turner- I happen to know more about Tina's acting career with her role in "Tommy" (1975) as the "acid queen" and "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" (1985) as Aunty Entity," than I do about her solo work. I am also familiar with the iconic 'What's Love Got To Do With It' and 'Private Dancer,' unfortunately, I have never owned any of her solo recordings. Still, you can definitely make the case for Tina being worthy of an induction as well.

4. Carole King- I happen to own a copy of "Tapestry" on cd and 'It's Too Late' happens to be one of my favorite songs. Even so, Carole King happens to be a great singer/songwriter and a great performer and definitely deserves to be inducted as a performer in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

5. The Go-Gos- Yes, there was a time in the early 1980's when I had actually liked the Go-Gos. 'Our Lips Are Sealed' and 'We Got The Beat' were catchy tunes. I may have owned a copy of "Beauty and The Best" on vinyl. I am not so sure, since almost my entire my record collection (vinyl l.p.'s) had been given away to charity decades ago. I had also been impressed with Belinda Carlisle's solo work, in particular 'Heaven Is A Place On Earth.' Should the Go-Go's be inducted? Yes.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:47pm


Ben, DOA as in "dead on arrival"...they're not getting in.

I can't rule out Rage because they are a guitar rock band and a RAWK band at that. They could conceivably do well enough with those sort of inductees and find their way into 7th place or whatever. Probably extremely unlikely though.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 22:58pm


So 26 ballots that are public according to Richie's count. Best performer are The Go-Gos with 18 votes (69%)

Anybody getting 50% is going to ultimately become an inductee. Three artists are doing so on what's been revealed (Go-Gos, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick).

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 23:19pm


So my take on these voters and their ballot:

-Foo Fighters are not that strong as we perceived them to be

-Support for woman all the way

-They REALLY love Glam Rock

-They REALLY hate Heavy Metal/Hard Rock (or those adjacent)

-If The Go-Go's, Tina Turner, and Dionne Warwick get in, this will be the most inductees of a class to not be in FRL's Rock Rankings (Being part of Rock Hall Projected project does not count)

-Despite being last place, Jay-Z seems to still get a lot of votes and is most likely the headliner

Am I missing anything?

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 23:26pm


Plebeian, the rocks rankings list just hasn't been updated if its missing The Go-Gos, for example. It's compiled entirely based on Revisited/Projected inductees.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 23:31pm


Casper,

Oh okay didn't know that. Though I reckon The Go-Go's wouldn't rank that high. I think that band has entered our revisited/projected by now. The website still has to update that Rock Pyramid even last year's class.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 23:39pm


The vast majority of Foo Fighters votes will probably come from the inducted artists and industry insiders/executives who aren't out there sharing their ballots.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 05/7/2021 @ 23:50pm


The fan vote is over! The fan ballot:

Tina Turner
Fela Kuti
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Foo Fighters

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 03:38am


Casper,
I see now about the Sliver of a possibility. We seem to agree that the Foo Fighters as a 90s band have more of a chance than Rage Against the Machine. I like both bands to an extent. Rock always does well. RA the Machine are certainly Rock. There will always be some Rock for RnR Hall of Fame.
You said Foo Fighters were really tanking with the writers' vote. You seem to feel they are suffering a loss. I do think that they will kill it with inductees of rock bands to get over the hurdle...You seem to have some doubt of their induction. But they are among YOUR 10 in the Hunt. I mean even some of the Oldest Rockers like Sir Paul McCartney, Pete Townsend and perhaps John Fogerty would vote for Foo F. Ahh and also Neil Young. I recall that maybe John Fogerty did some recent work with Foo F. members.
Now the Go-Gos seem to be strong. I have always been strong with the 80s. Hey was in High School and then College in the 80s. I agree that Tina Turner seems 100% assured. That's a lock there. Several months ago I followed the health problems of Tina. There was strong rumors that she was dying any day. Tina herself said this is Totally false. Her Death was based on Cancer surgeries of around 2013.2014. She issued a nice statement about being fine and Very much alive. She just doesn't perform anymore. The world is lucky enough to Not lose Tina and so the Hall is pushing Tina to get in ASAP. She has enormous respect from major musicians all over the world for years. Tina is a lock. Carole King is among my predictions too. I owned Tapestry a long time ago. She is a great singer/songwriter and performer. She deserves to be inducted for her solo work. Tapestry is a landmark album but she also had hits like Been to Canaan and Jazzman. That's it for now.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 04:26am


It a shame people didn't recognize how great a singer Carole King was and is! Some people in there don't belong yet people like Carole King and Dione Warwick are kept out. What a shame

Posted by Charlie on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 10:39am


If anyone's interested, I got my personal tastes list up this morning on Rock Hall Monitors. My predictions are typed up, just need to proofread it closely, and it'll be up either late tomorrow night, or early Monday.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 12:46pm


What is up with people favoring the Go-Gos over Devo? They were more pop.

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 13:26pm


Jason Voight has posted his predictions!

Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Carole King
Dionne Warwick
Fela Kuti
The Go-Go's
Foo Fighters

Philip is on his way, but what's taking FLR?

All seven so far predicted Tina Turner, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

Six predictions for Jay-Z and Carole King

Four predictions for Fela Kuti, one of which is Musical Excellence.

Three predictions for Rage Against the Machine

Two predictions for Devo, New York Dolls, Todd Rundgren, and Dionne Warwick

One prediction for LL Cool J (Eric Layton), and Iron Maiden (Eric Layton)

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, and Chaka Khan.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 13:39pm


Garrus,

Probably the woman factor or they just really like them. Who knows?


Michael W.,

Gonna be honest this class will be a huge win for the major Rock Hall Watchers, but the rest of the community will see it as mute. Relatively middle-aged mom class per say. Not to knock a peg or two, but that's how I'm feeling again.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 14:22pm


Hey Guys,

With the public ballots revealed, What are your updated final predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 14:49pm


Casper and Plebeian,

With all the public ballots being revealed, What are your updated final predictions for the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 17:54pm


So the announcement is Saturday, right?

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 19:46pm


I'm pretty sure it's on Wednesday.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 20:20pm


Richie, from the 10 I said I viewed as actually competitive for induction, I'd guess:

1 - Tina Turner
2 - Jay-Z
3 - The Go-Go's
4 - Carole King
5 - New York Dolls
6 - Todd Rundgren
7 - Foo Fighters


And The Other Three With A Shot: Devo, Dionne Warwick, Kate Bush

I guess anyone from that top four not getting in would be pretty surprising. 5-7 are at risk.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 05/8/2021 @ 21:18pm


If you need to look up Fela Kuti, you need to study more. A pioneer in Afrobeat he is so important that JZ and Will Smith partnered to create an off-Broadway show about his Life "Fela". I love the Go-Gos, but if don't know Fela, you need to go back to Rock n' Roll school

Posted by Lewis Harrison on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 00:08am


Dear Editors,
How can it be that Sir Cliff Richard is not mentioned - FIRST, ALL ABOVE????? How can it be that HE is NOT in the Hall ALREADY??? I think it is a scandal!!!
I had read that once a prime minister of GB stated somewhere: "Cliff Richard is the Number One export item of England." I agree with Tina Turner, as well, but most of the others are even not known for me. But, Sir Cliff is a worldwide famous, extremely popular star on the sky of R&R and pop music.
Zsuzsa, devoted fan of Sir Cliff

Posted by Zsuzsa Pomázi Nagyné on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 00:12am


FRL: Your predictions are wrong. Leaving out Dionne Warwick is wrong. She's getting inducted in 2021. There will be 7 inductees. Burt Bacharach and Hal David will be inducted in the Non-Performers category.

FRL Predicts: Tina Turner * Carole King * New York Dolls * The Go-Go's * Foo Fighters * Jay-Z

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 00:13am


FLR has posted predictions! That's 8 now, and I doubt anyone other than Philip will also predict. That's 9 this year compared to 13 last year. Not too bad.

All eight so far predicted Tina Turner, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

Seven predictions for Jay-Z and Carole King

Four predictions for Fela Kuti, one of which is Musical Excellence.

Three predictions for Rage Against the Machine and New York Dolls

Two predictions for Devo, Todd Rundgren, and Dionne Warwick

One prediction each for LL Cool J and Iron Maiden

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, and Chaka Khan.

Those missing: Charles Crossly Jr. (He must have put them somewhere else.) Donnie Durham, Michelle Borug, Who Cares About the Rock Hall?, and Philip.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 00:36am


Foo Fighters better get in because they just released an album that was a huge hit worldwide.

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 01:57am


Remember the adage: "time flies by?"

Well, we are now beginning the second week of the 5th month of this year. Yesterday had been the last day to vote in the Rock Hall Fan vote poll. From early January until late April, I had been thoroughly engrossed in my work. Due to dealing with various maladies, I had unexpectedly taken the past several days off from work.

Of course, I am not going to even make the slightest attempt to predict this year's induction class. From what I have read, those choices are all over the map. Several years ago, Philip of "Rock Hall Monitors" had proposed an all female artist ballot. Although I did not agree with all of his choices, I had been impressed by the fact that 7 female artists (nearly half of the total artists) are on this ballot. The fact that only slightly more than 7% of the Rock Hall Inductees are women is somewhat disheartening. Of course, when push came to shove, I had voted for all of the female artists at least a few times.

These are the artists who I have voted for nearly 100% of the time and why:

1. Kate Bush- as one of the two prog artists on this year's ballot, I have been an aficionado of her work since the mid 1980's. I happen to enjoy her quirky and eccentric take on traditional male prog. I had owned a copy of Kate Bush's compilation, "The Whole Story" on cd. 'Sat In Your Lap' happens to be one of my favorite songs, although not my only favorite song by Kate Bush. Kate Bush is definitely worthy of an induction, in my honest opinion.

2. Dionne Warwick- I had grown up with the music of Dionne Warwick as a young child. 'Do You Know The Way To San Jose?,' 'I'll Never Fall in Love Again,' 'I Say A Little Prayer' and other songs were definitely part of my late parent's record collection. So, do I think that Dionne Warwick deserves an induction into the Rock Hall? Yes, I do!


3. Tina Turner- I happen to know more about Tina's acting career with her role in "Tommy" (1975) as the "acid queen" and "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" (1985) as Aunty Entity," than I do about her solo work. I am also familiar with the iconic 'What's Love Got To Do With It' and 'Private Dancer,' unfortunately, I have never owned any of her solo recordings. Still, you can definitely make the case for Tina being worthy of an induction as well.

4. Carole King- I happen to own a copy of "Tapestry" on cd and 'It's Too Late' happens to be one of my favorite songs. Even so, Carole King happens to be a great singer/songwriter and a great performer and definitely deserves to be inducted as a performer in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

5. The Go-Gos- Yes, there was a time in the early 1980's when I had actually liked the Go-Gos. 'Our Lips Are Sealed' and 'We Got The Beat' were catchy tunes. I may have owned a copy of "Beauty and The Best" on vinyl. I am not so sure, since almost my entire my record collection (vinyl l.p.'s) had been given away to charity decades ago. I had also been impressed with Belinda Carlisle's solo work, in particular 'Heaven Is A Place On Earth.' Should the Go-Go's be inducted? Yes.

By the way, I had only sporadically voted for either Chaka Khan, or Mary J. Blige.

Otherwise, I think that Todd Rundgren and Fela Kuti definitely deserve to receive the Musical Excellence Award instead.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 04:15am


Although the sample from the public ballots are small, I made adjustments to my final predictions:

Well anyway, my final predictions:

The Go-Go's
Jay Z
Carole King
The New York Dolls
Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick

Could get in either way:

Fela Kuti
Todd Rundgren

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 04:29am


I think that 4 acts are a very sure thing. Those are Foo Fighters,The Go-Gos, Jay-Z and Tina Turner. I am also predicting Iron Maiden, Carole King and New York Dolls. A bunch of you are very doubtful with Iron Maiden. I am staying with them. I can see. Todd Rundgren slipping in as a Performer instead of Iron Maiden. I find the Public ballots revealed to be Cool. It gives us some idea what's going on out there.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 06:17am


Follower,

Charles Crossley Jr., Joe Kwaczala of Who Cares About The Rock Hall? and Donnie Durham have all posted their predictions and their predictions are:

Charles Crossley Jr.: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Rage Against The Machine, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick.

Joe Kwaczala of Who Cares About The Rock Hall?: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick.

Donnie Durham: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Rage Against The Machine, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 08:53am


Follower,

Michelle Bourg has posted her predictions and her predictions are:

Michelle Bourg: Devo, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, New York Dolls and Tina Turner.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 09:10am


KING MAY 2021 EARLY NOMINEES LIST 4 2021-2022.
1. Bryan Adams
2. Judas Priest
3. Procol Harum
4. Mariah Carey
5. Foreigner
6. LL Cool J
7. Scorpions
8. Kool & The Gang
9. DEVO
10. Gram/Emmylou
11. Megadeth
12. WAR
13. Dave Matthews Band
14. Duran Duran
15. Los Lobos
16. The Pointer Sisters
17. Iron Maiden
18. The Eurythmics
19. Garth Brooks
20. B-52s
KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 10:06am


Thanks richie! Now all we have left is Philip!

Twelve predicted Tina Turner, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

Eleven predictions for Jay-Z and Carole King

Five predictions for Rage Against The Machine and Dionne Warwick

Four predictions for Fela Kuti, (one of which is Musical Excellence) and New York Dolls

Three predictions for Devo

Two predictions for Todd Rundgren

One prediction each for LL Cool J and Iron Maiden. (Both of them from Eric Layton!)

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, and Chaka Khan.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 13:08pm


Ben,
I agree with you on the 4 for sure Artists getting voted in, but I think I would replace Foo Fighters with Carole King. So 4 for sures, I would say Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Go's, and Jay-Z.. and I am on board with you on Iron Maiden, even though predictions indicate otherwise. But predictions are just predictions and it is the actual voting that counts. What I will never understand, and one of the main reasons I will never compromise my stance for Hard Rock and Metal, is the obvious bias towards the heavier music, and how they are treated as outcasts. Which has always been the case even in society in general.. Just look at how long it took the Fathers of Hard Rock and Metal, Black Sabbath to get voted in, and then again with Deep Purple. Both bands waited an eternity for induction, after many nominations, and granted, competition was a bit stiffer in past classes, but still so many in the snubbed category(Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Grand Funk, etc.).
Ben, I know you have said you are not a big fan of Metal, and some heavier bands are not your cup of tea, but at least you recognize their significance and achievements, and the deserving qualities. If you match up Iron Maiden alongside Foo Fighters, for instance, Iron Maiden blows them away tenfold. Foo Fighters and Nirvana both owe a great deal to bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Scorpions, Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, Bad Company, and many others, including Punk, and Dave Grohl knows this. So does Tom Morello, and I would hate to see HOF voters jump the shark by not inducting Iron Maiden.
The bias and second rate treatment has got to stop somewhere.. Rock and Roll, Hard Rock and Metal has always been anti-establishment, until the like of corporate Rock came along.
No wonder some of the Brits, many rock and rollers in the U.S. and the rest of the world do not see the RRHOF as legitimate. But it is what it is, and with this class, I think they can make a correction, and alter the course a little bit by inducting Iron Maiden. Along with the course correction towards Women as contributing artists, like we are hoping for..
Ben, I commend you for sticking by your values and shared perceptions, that we seem to have some in common, and historically we have experienced quite a bit in the music world, since our heyday of appreciation was from the 70's, 80's and 90's. And a whole bunch of other guys who contribute here have done the same, and most of the regulars know more than we do anyway. So that is my pitch for Iron Maiden, and even Devo, a band who I grew up with from the beginning, with the onset of Punk and New Wave. I would love to see them get their due and get inducted, but maybe they go with New York Dolls, who are highly influential, and fall into that T. Rex slot.. I am very OK with that.. they are deserving. I believe I had either them or Devo as my #7, but not both.. LL Cool J should be right there too, but I am not sure what it is that stands in his way.. competition, I suppose..
So Good Luck to all with your predictions.. I have posted mine previously, so just waiting for the outcome. I hope they induct 7 and clear some room for next years class, and as long as they can steer clear from the internal politics and get back to basics, it should be a pretty good Class..

Posted by Will N on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 14:37pm


Will N,
That's a great Post. I came on here partly ask the people here why so many are writing off Iron Maiden. I am sticking with Iron Maiden as a prediction.I know predictions indicate otherwise. But I think there is quite a bit of support among the Voters. Just to be accurate I listened to quite a bit of Heavy metal from 1985-1989. NOT after that. Hey I saw Ozzy in concert back in 1984 and Twisted Sister with Ratt around the same time. You are more I to the heavier bands than me. But you also love a lot of Mellower bands like Gr Dead, Traffic and Steely Dan, etc. It just depends. I also say Good luck to all with your predictions. My predictions stay the same. I'm just waiting for the Outcome. Thank you for that post

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 16:47pm


If Maiden were to go in, I would be pleasantly surprised. It's about time the Hall got off their disdain of metal. I dont see it, though

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 19:30pm


Will N.,
So 1984-1989 was my Slight Heavy Metal phase. I was NOT an 80s Heavy Metal expert but j owned sone. Like Queensryche, Twisted Sister, Ratt, Scorpions and Iron Maiden a little. My true Heavy Metal friends during the 80s were the experts. My favorite of the Metal bands became Metallica.
But I also loved Talking Heads, REM,John Mellencamp and Tom Petty and listened every week to my usual Classic Rock acts like Eric Clapton. Steeiy Dan and the hundreds of others.
Now I have a point to make. Metallica were inducted In 2009. So shouldn't it be time for Iron Maiden? It seems harder for Many Metal bands other than Metallica to be inducted. Judas Priest may have failed due to competition from other Heavy nominees like Thin Lizzy, Motörhead, etc. This year Iron Maiden is alone as an older Heavy act. So I do stick by my values and shared perceptions.
I also think New York Dolls have a good chance. They can easily fill the slot of Roxy Music and T Rex.
I am keeping Foo Fighters as one of the 4 for sure acts. But Carole King is one of my predictions nonetheless .Hey she has the Landmark Album Tapestry. It was an early music experience for me. I first enjoyed Carole King hits when I was about 7 or 8. Jazz'man was also a hit. And I know her version of One Fine Day. I just wanted to mention. Some other Carole King hits. I can understand her as a Sure thing. She is ALMOST a sure thing.Younger Voters can swing her out. I'll refer to Roy's Voter ballots he posted. Several of the Public Voter ballots list Carole King.
Ok. That's it for Now. Again Good luck to everyone with your predictions. I also hope they induct 7 inductees this year. It's very possible due to all the competition. It avoids be a oretty good class.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/9/2021 @ 22:51pm


Two days left! Hopefully Philip is almost done with his predictions. I know it's hard to predict recent ballots.

Now I wonder how many of the fan ballot (Tina Turner, Fela Kuti, The Go-Go's, Iron Maiden and Foo Fighters) will get in and how many will be left out. Currently there are 5 acts to reach the fan ballot and not get inducted:

Judas Priest (2018 and 2020)
Todd Rundgren (2019)
Pat Benatar (2020)
Dave Matthews Band (2020)
Soundgarden (2020)

Who of the current five will join this club? Iron Maiden for sure, but the others I don't know.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 00:32am


CORRECTION
I SURE wish there was an EDIT option. How did the word Avoids get there.

It SHOULD be a pretty good Class.
That was a significant error. It should be a pretty good class.
Heyy with Foo Fighters, Go-go's, Jay-Z, Tina Turner and probably Carole King. It certainly Will be

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 06:45am


Where is the "prog?" For those who have been looking forward to nominations for: Procol Harum, Jethro Tull, King Crimson and Duran Duran and others, it certainly must be a rather confusing and disappointing time. For some reason, Todd Rundgren's solo work, in addition to his work with his band Utopia, does not really satisfy our prog wanderlust. No, we really need bands like Supertramp, Kansas and Styx to at least receive a nomination in the not too distant future to appease us. Even so, last year the "prog" train had unfortunately been derailed. Prior to that time however, we had experienced the induction of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and all was seemingly well, in progdom. Now, however we do have an alternative- Kate Bush who has appeared on numerous issues of PROG Magazine over the past 12 years and is a very deserving artist in her own right.

Of course, the "holy trinity" seems to appear much more frequently, in comparison to other proggers, with at least one issue about Rush and Yes, appearing at least once a year and a few issues with The Moody Blues on the cover. Otherwise, the "unholy trinity" of prog has fared relatively well with at least one issue about Genesis, King Crimson and Jethro Tull appearing annually. So, do those six great artists represent the be-all of prog? Not as far as I am concerned, but then again- I am not the "Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame" either, am I?

Nonetheless, those of us who have been disappointed as of late, may finally see our concerns addressed next year. Although Emerson, Lake & Palmer have also had a few issues dedicated to them, I still think that ELP may be a "hard sell" among Rock Hall voters. King Crimson has been respected for their catalog. Jethro Tull still has a fanbase decades later, but Duran Duran seems to outshine them all. When Roxy Music had been inducted by John Taylor and Simon Le Bon, many of us thought that Duran Duran were definitely next. Unfortunately, the Rock Hall has had different ideas- by nominating and inducting Depeche Mode and nominating Devo several times, in their stead. However, one need not rely on Devo getting in order to see Duran Duran finally be inducted. No, a huge 18 lane expressway for their induction has already been created by the previous inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), Roxy Music and Depeche Mode.

Several years ago, I had mentioned that the induction of Roxy Music by members of Duran Duran had reverse mirrored the induction of Yes by members of Rush. Well, does that mean that 2022 will be the year of Duran Duran's induction? Maybe.

But first, who do I think will be inducted in this year, the year of the ladies?

Tina Turner
The Go-Gos
Dionne Warwick
Carole King
Kate Bush

With the Musical Excellence award going to:

Fela Kuti- for developing "afrobeat" and this style of music's huge influence on previous inductees.

Also, Todd Rundgren for his great production work, especially his production work on "Skylarking" by XTC- which just so happens to be one of my favorite prog recordings.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 09:32am


Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame: A Voter Explains Their Ballot

https://wror.com/2021/05/10/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-voter-explains-ballot/

Tina Turner
Iron Maiden
The Go-Go's
LL Cool J
Rage Against The Machine

2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME OFFICIAL VOTING

SO FAR PUBLIC

19 votes for The Go-Go's.
15 votes for Tina Turner.
13 votes for Dionne Warwick.
10 votes for New York Dolls.
9 votes for Todd Rundgren.
8 votes for Kate Bush and Jay-Z.
7 votes for Chaka Khan, Carole King and Fela Kuti.
6 votes for LL Cool J, Devo, Rage Against The Machine.
5 votes for Iron Maiden.
4 votes for Foo Fighters.
2 votes for Mary J. Blige.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 10:52am


Casper and Roy,

An anonymous voter posted their Rock Hall ballot and their ballot is:

Anonymous Ballot:

Tina Turner
Iron Maiden
The Go-Go's
LL Cool J
Rage Against The Machine

https://wror.com/2021/05/10/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-voter-explains-ballot/

So just for the record:

19 votes for The Go-Go's.
15 votes for Tina Turner.
13 votes for Dionne Warwick.
10 votes for New York Dolls.
9 votes for Todd Rundgren.
8 votes for Kate Bush and Jay-Z.
7 votes for Chaka Khan, Carole King and Fela Kuti.
6 votes for Devo, LL Cool J and Rage Against The Machine.
5 votes for Iron Maiden.
4 votes for Foo Fighters.
2 votes for Mary J. Blige.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 10:55am


Predictions:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Gos
Carole King
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Tina Turner

if #7 - Devo
if #8 - Todd Rundgren

Posted by Living Stone on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 11:24am


Lol. The updated publicly revealed ballot count is 27 but we goofed and forgot about the fan vote which counts for 1 or 2 ballots.

From 28 (or 29) ballots:

20 (or 21) votes for The Go-Go's.
16 (or 17) votes for Tina Turner.
13 votes for Dionne Warwick.
10 votes for New York Dolls.
9 votes for Todd Rundgren.
8 votes (or 9) for Fela Kuti
8 votes for Kate Bush and Jay-Z.
7 votes for Chaka Khan and Carole King
6 votes (or 7) for Iron Maiden
6 votes for Devo, LL Cool J and Rage Against The Machine.
5 (or 6) votes for Foo Fighters.
2 votes for Mary J. Blige.

It's unclear as to whether the fan ballot will count as two or not because that has been discussed in the past.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 13:57pm


Don't put yourself down Philip! I love your predictions! You're probably my second favorite Hall Watcher after AlexVoltaire.

Anyway, here's all thirteen. Since by the Hall standards, they may as well be nobodies, we can call them Organization 13! Tom Lane is obviously #1 but I don't know what numbers the others would be.

Philips predictions, counting every act he claimed had 50% or more of a chance:

Tina Turner
Carole King
The Go-Go's
Foo Fighters
Todd Rundgren
Jay-Z
Dionne Warwick

To round up:

All Thirteen predicted Tina Turner, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

Twelve predictions for Jay-Z and Carole King. Eric Layton denied Jay-Z and Troy L. Smith denied Carole King.

Six predictions for Dionne Warwick

Five predictions for Rage Against The Machine

Four predictions for Fela Kuti, (one of which is Musical Excellence) and New York Dolls

Three predictions for Devo and Todd Rundgren

One prediction each for LL Cool J and Iron Maiden. (Both of them from Eric Layton!)

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, and Chaka Khan.

A few predicted an Early Influence happening this year, but gave no name. I think it'll be Kraftwerk based on Alan Light's comments.

List of predictors: Charles Crossly Jr., E-Rockracy, Tom Lane, Jason Voight, Nick Bambach, AlexVoltaire, The Music Zamboni, Philip/Rock Hall Monitors, Troy L. Smith, Donnie Durham, Michelle Bourg, Future Rock Legends, and Who Cares About The Rock Hall?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 13:58pm


If they ME Kraftwerk, they are ridiculous and shameless. You don't take the pioneer of such a world dominant genre and shunt it to a side token award just because it's not americentric or they're German.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 15:07pm


Prediction:
Tina Turner
Carole King
Foo Fighters
Jay Z
Todd Rundgren
If 6: Go-Go's
If 7: LL Cool J

Special category: they will find some category, possibly invent one, to induct Kraftwerk

Posted by Classic Rock on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 15:07pm


No, they'll use the EI category for Kraftwerk.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 15:29pm


So I decided to use the method Freddie used last year. https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/ then putting the name of an inductee afterwards. I got 404 for everyone except Todd Rundgren, Then again, I also got 403 for some of the acts that didn't get inducted last year, so it's not credible yet. That or the hall got ahead of us.

Was that the method Casper used for the 2019 class?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 15:59pm


I'm actually stunned (happily so) at those picking Dionne! I think the fact it's taken her since 1987 to finally get nominated a travesty!

I'm still not too sure of her chances but if R&B is to be represented in the Hall this year, then who else but Dionne? Mary J is stuck between rap and R&B, Chaka is cool but lacks Dionne's staying power and honestly, if Chaka IS to get in, rather Dionne get in so she could put in a vote in later years lol

I kinda do see more than two female acts going in but four? I would be happy if that was the case! :)

As for Iron Maiden, bad timing for them. They're as much of a sure thing as Judas Priest was last time.

But I guess hard rock in general is having it rough. Only four rock bands this year (one of which adds rap, which forces a split vote between them and LL giving Jay Z an even easier opening.

We might have the most diverse inductee list ever this year topping 2019 and 2020. It still remains to be seen though.

I might have to adjust my list a little as we wait impatiently for the 12th.

As I said, the locks to me are Tina and Jay Z, then afterwards are surefire ones such as the Go-Gos and Carole King.

The fifth inductee being the Foo Fighters (reason why is they're the biggest of the 90s acts listed but then again, didn't help Soundgarden any).

But if not the Foos, we could see any of the wildcards like New York Dolls or Todd Rundgren stealing one (look to 2020 and them not putting in THREE of the five in the fan vote as an indicator). But I'll stick with Dave and Company getting in.

I did say Fela may be inducted but now, IDK. Fela would've likely been a Dave Matthews situation and Tina has a LOT of support all across the board, not only with influence, innovation (one of rock and roll's first female front women and vocalists in general) but also commercial acclaim (Private Dancer is one of the most successful albums in music history).

Fela could get in if the list was just for critics but there seems to be a mixture of forever-snubbed acts and populist music legends and as far as political music, he has to tend with RATM.

So in the case there IS a sixth inductee, I may have to replace Fela with Dionne. If so, it would be historic as it would be the first time in the history of the Rock Hall that two African American female singers got inducted in the same year as performers since 1993 when Ruth Brown and Etta James got in the same year.

In the case of a 7th, it could likely be Iron Maiden. Or Todd. Or Devo.

And then the buck stops there.

FTR, I constantly voted for the women most of the fan vote (Tina, Dionne, Chaka, Go-Gos and Carole, sometimes MJB too). This could get very interesting!

Adjusted inductee list:
Tina
Jay-Z
The Go-Gos
Carole
Foo Fighters
Dionne

Don't know if there'll be a 7th but if it is, New York Dolls (followed by Todd getting ME, that could make for a great jam session. I doubt TR is that grumpy).

As for Early Influence, they need to stop it and induct Roy Brown! I have looked into his catalog and the list of artists he influenced (Elvis, Jerry Lee, Little Richard, James Brown, Jackie Wilson and Clyde McPhatter kinda bit from him too) and HE'S STILL NOT IN??? Travesty.

May 12th may either be the greatest day for some or the worst for others. :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 18:16pm


Much like last time, there are two acts with 12 predictions:

Last year, Biggie and Whitney got 12/13 predictions. Jason Voight and Philip were the ones that didn't predict them, respectively.

This time, Troy L. Smith and Eric Layton will be the ones with eggs on their faces if Jay-Z and Carole King get inducted.

Of course, everyone had an egg on their face that year thanks to Pat Benetar not making it.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 19:48pm


If Dionne makes it (which I hope), then don't be surprised if she had the most votes on the voting body, since she's technically the oldest eligible nominated who had been snubbed for a long time. That's how Nina Simone, The Zombies, and T. Rex (originally started off as a psychedelic folk band) made it. The 60's still inducts the 60's. Maybe there's still hope for the Monkees and many others from that era.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 20:17pm


What do you know? The Motley Crue advocate is batting for Dionne Warwick!

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 20:24pm


I think that the inductees will get leaked tomorrow (Tuesday, May 11) ahead of the official announcement on Wednesday, May 12 just like the last two years (2019 on Wednesday evening, December 12, 2018 ahead of the official announcement the next morning on Thursday, December 13, 2018 and 2020 on Tuesday morning, January 14, 2020 ahead of the official announcement the next morning on Wednesday, January 15, 2020).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 20:26pm


The Dude,

I think that Tina Turner will have the most votes by the voting committee this year, not Dionne Warwick. I think that Tina (not Dionne) will be the top vote-getter in the voting committee this year, She'll have more votes than anyone this year, rather than Dionne.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 20:32pm


I think people sometimes forget some of these hard rock and metal bands have 5, 6, 7 or more band members inducted. Iron Maiden should vacuum up all the votes from Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Guns N Roses, Journey, KISS, Metallica, Rush, Van Halen, etc. I'm not counting them out. Over the last few years, the Voting Group has ballooned to 1,000+ voters. I will be interested how it shakes out. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 21:38pm


Can anyone describe why Glam Rock for some reason is getting a lot of love from the Rock Hall lately? Like I love the genre, but I don't know why their going for it specifically now. It does seem that track records of past Glam Rock acts are getting in right away. Lou Reed, Roxy Music, T. Rex, and even the New York Dolls are got/getting a ton of support. Is it because they are a good balance of love between critics and the audience?

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 21:42pm


Cause Bon Jovi is the catalyst for the glam. Both 70's and 80's, which led to Def Leppard and Roxy Music in 2019 and T. Rex in 2020, and maybe New York Dolls for this year.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 21:48pm


"What do you know? The Motley Crue advocate is batting for Dionne Warwick!"

I've been advocating for Dionne longer than you think. Whether she makes it or not, I'm still boycotting the ceremony until they stop rigging the kiosk and fan ballot and induct Motley and DMB as a force inclusion, so they could get back focusing on consumerism and costumer service like in 13-19. They're still losing money for treating the general public like sh*t.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 21:55pm


I actually wouldn't be surprised if for SOME reason Carole King gets passed over for Dionne. We were all so sure that Pat Benatar would get in WITH Whitney and Whitney ended up being the only one to get in. Dionne is a far more famous and acclaimed name than Carole in some regards.

As for why glam rock is suddenly getting love, I think slowly but surely they realize how important glam rock was to the continued development of rock and roll. That could be it.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 23:18pm


Timothy Pernell,

In regards to Dionne Warwick, No, She's not far more famous and acclaimed name than Carole King, Carole King has gotten nearly every Lifetime Achievement Award possible, Dionne hasn't, so Carole is far more famous and acclaimed name than Dionne.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 23:24pm


Timothy Pernell,

In regards to Dionne Warwick, No, She's not far more famous and acclaimed name than Carole King, Carole King has gotten nearly every Lifetime Achievement Award possible, Dionne hasn't, so Carole is far more famous and acclaimed name than Dionne.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 23:24pm


Good to see you, Tim. It's been too long. You make an excellent point with Dianne Warwick. We are always so sure we have their list figured out and then they throw some left field curveball. It is by far the most wtf hall of fame to predict.

Ignore the detractors. I think you might be onto something

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 05/10/2021 @ 23:40pm


Dionne Warwick is getting inducted in the main performers category. It's Dionne Warwick!

Carole King-LOCK
Tina Turner-LOCK
Dionne Warwick-LOCK

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 00:20am


Just please not Blige, LL Cool J, or Jay Z

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 00:33am


THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Ben E. King
Mary Wells
The Marvelettes
The Spinners
The Shangri-Las
Chubby Checker
Harry Belafonte
Willie Nelson
Judy Collins
The Kingston Trio
Peter, Paul & Mary
The Spencer Davis Group
Jan & Dean
The Monkees
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Kool & The Gang
The Commodores
Foreigner

THIS IS WHAT A ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
BALLOT SHOULD LOOK LIKE!

NOW VOTE FOR 7 INDUCTEES!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 00:37am


Where is the "prog?" For those who have been looking forward to nominations for: Procol Harum, Jethro Tull, King Crimson and Duran Duran and others, it certainly must be a rather confusing and disappointing time. For some reason, Todd Rundgren's solo work, in addition to his work with his band Utopia, does not really satisfy our prog appetites. No, we really need bands like Supertramp, Kansas and Styx to at least receive a nomination in the not too distant future to appease us. Even so, last year the "prog" train had unfortunately been derailed. Prior to that time however, we had experienced the induction of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and all was seemingly well, in progdom. Now, however we do have an alternative- Kate Bush who has appeared on numerous issues of PROG Magazine over the past 12 years and is a very deserving artist in her own right.

Of course, the "holy trinity" seems to appear much more frequently, in comparison to other proggers, with at least one issue about Rush and Yes, appearing at least once a year and a few issues with The Moody Blues on the cover. Otherwise, the "unholy trinity" of prog has fared relatively well with at least one issue about Genesis, King Crimson and Jethro Tull appearing annually. So, do those six great artists represent the be-all of prog? Not as far as I am concerned, but then again- I am not the "Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame" either, am I?

Nonetheless, those of us who have been disappointed as of late, may finally see our concerns addressed next year. Although Emerson, Lake & Palmer have also had a few issues dedicated to them, I still think that ELP may be a "hard sell" among Rock Hall voters. King Crimson has been respected for their catalog. Jethro Tull still has a fanbase decades later, but Duran Duran seems to outshine them all. When Roxy Music had been inducted by John Taylor and Simon Le Bon, many of us thought that Duran Duran were definitely next. Unfortunately, the Rock Hall has had different ideas- by nominating and inducting Depeche Mode and nominating Devo several times, in their stead. However, one need not rely on Devo getting in order to see Duran Duran finally be inducted. No, a huge 18 lane expressway for their induction has already been created by the previous inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), Roxy Music and Depeche Mode.

Several years ago, I had mentioned that the induction of Roxy Music by members of Duran Duran had reverse mirrored the induction of Yes by members of Rush. Well, does that mean that 2022 will be the year of Duran Duran's induction? Maybe.

But first, who do I think will be inducted in this year, the year of the ladies?

Tina Turner
The Go-Gos
Dionne Warwick
Carole King
Kate Bush

With the Musical Excellence award going to:

Fela Kuti- for developing "afrobeat" and this style of music's huge influence on previous inductees.

Also, Todd Rundgren for his great production work, especially his production work on "Skylarking" by XTC- which just so happens to be one of my favorite prog recordings.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 02:33am


I just want to say I don't totally rule out Dionne Warwick. But I'm not confident enough in her for my Predictions. I think Carole King has the edge over her due to Tapestry. I would not be both inducted at the same time. They are both Very melodic mellow singers. It's like richie said Carole King has gotten nearly every Lifetime Achievement Award for years. I forgot that until richie said it. But I was thinking of Tapestry. Dionne Warwick doesn't have a landmark album of that magnitude. Tapestry was # 1 for most of 1971 and it was one of the most widely known album of the 1970s. I am Not even that huge a Carole King fan. My fiancee loves her more. But I acknowledge the importance of Tapestry. And I know she has other solo hits like Jazzman.
In Regards to Tina Turner, She is getting inducted this year. She is the biggest superstar on the ballot. Tina is overdue and highly respected all over the world by fans and musicians. It's interesting to note that both Carole King and Tina Turner were inducted previously for other contributions. Thats it for now

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 04:06am


One thing that I just noticed: Unlike last year, there are only a few deceased nominees: Bob Casale and Alan Myers of Devo; Clive Burr and Dennis Stratton of Iron Maiden; Fela Kuti; and five of the six nominated members (all except David Johansen) of the New York Dolls. I believe everyone else is alive (though no doubt in varying health and availability to travel) to accept their award.

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 04:18am


My guess for the eventual inductees, to be awarded tomorrow

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Tina Turner

If six: Dionne Warwick

If seven: Rage Against the Machine or Iron Maiden.

Fela Kuti for Musical Excellence, and--if I had my way--Annie Liebowitz (sp?) for Non-Perfomer.

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 04:21am


Joe, Dennis Stratton isn't dead.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 04:23am


Richie, within 'music circles' Carole may have more acclaim, due to her tremendous song writing credits. However, with the wider public, I can assure you that Dionne was the bigger star & more well known, etc. than Carole.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 07:43am


K-Dawg,

Hey man. :) But yeah people definitely shouldn't count Dionne out. She probably has as much momentum as Tina. Probably because of being snubbed for so long.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 07:56am


My predictions for who will be announced as inductees tomorrow:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Tina Turner
If six - Todd Rundgren
If seven - Rage Against The Machine

With Devo, Iron Maiden, LL Cool J, New York Dolls and Dionne Warwick being the Dark Horses.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 08:42am


OK, folks. Here are my predictions for the SEVEN inductees I think are getting the Call to the Hall.

1: Tina Turner
2: Carole King
3: The Go-Go's
4: Jay-Z
5: Foo Fighters
6: Dionne Warwick
7: Iron Maiden

Posted by Johnny on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 08:54am


Roy I don't see a ballot like that ever happening because there isn't many acts that would be a draw for a ceremony. However some of them could trickle in like King Crimson, The Monkees, Foreigner, Jethro Tull, The Commodores, Kool and the Gang, Willie Nelson, The Spinners, Mary Wells, The Marvelettes, The Shangri-La's, Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Ben E. King. The rest have minimal chances at get on a ballot.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 09:25am


Where is the "prog?" For those who have been looking forward to nominations for: Procol Harum, Jethro Tull, King Crimson and Duran Duran and others, it certainly must be a rather confusing and disappointing time. For some reason, Todd Rundgren's solo work, in addition to his work with his band Utopia, does not really satisfy our prog appetites. No, we really need bands like Supertramp, Kansas and Styx to at least receive a nomination in the not too distant future to appease us. Even so, last year the "prog" train had unfortunately been derailed. Prior to that time however, we had experienced the induction of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and Radiohead, Roxy Music and The Zombies. All was seemingly well, in progdom. Now, however we do have an alternative- Kate Bush who has appeared on numerous issues of PROG Magazine over the past 12 years and is a very deserving artist in her own right.

Of course, the "holy trinity" seems to appear much more frequently, in comparison to other proggers, with at least one issue about Rush and Yes, appearing at least once a year and a few issues with The Moody Blues on the cover. Otherwise, the "unholy trinity" of prog has fared relatively well with at least one issue about Genesis, King Crimson and Jethro Tull appearing annually. So, do those six great artists represent the be-all of prog? Not as far as I am concerned, but then again- I am not the "Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame" either, am I?

Nonetheless, those of us who have been disappointed as of late, may finally see our concerns addressed next year. Although Emerson, Lake & Palmer have also had a few issues dedicated to them, I still think that ELP may be a "hard sell" among Rock Hall voters. King Crimson has been respected for their catalog. Jethro Tull still has a fanbase decades later, but Duran Duran seems to outshine them all. When Roxy Music had been inducted by John Taylor and Simon Le Bon, many of us thought that Duran Duran were definitely next. Unfortunately, the Rock Hall has had different ideas- by nominating and inducting Depeche Mode and nominating Devo several times, in their stead. However, one need not rely on Devo getting inducted, in order to see Duran Duran finally receive induction. No, a huge 18 lane metaphorical expressway for their induction has already been created by the previous inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), Roxy Music and Depeche Mode.

Several years ago, I had mentioned that the induction of Roxy Music by members of Duran Duran had reverse mirrored the induction of Yes by members of Rush. Well, does that mean that 2022 will be the year of Duran Duran's induction? Maybe.

Oh, one additional thing- Sade is now considered to be a progressive soul artist; I wonder how that happened?

But first, who do I think will be inducted in this year, the year of the ladies?

Tina Turner
The Go-Gos
Dionne Warwick
Carole King
Kate Bush

With the Musical Excellence award going to:

Fela Kuti- for developing "afrobeat" and this style of music's huge influence on previous inductees.

Also, Todd Rundgren for his great production work, especially his production work on "Skylarking" by XTC- which just so happens to be one of my favorite prog recordings.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 09:33am


My final predictions for this year's inductees:

1. Tina Turner
2, Carole King
3. The Go-Go's
4. Jay-Z
5. Foo Fighters
6. Iron Maiden

If 7: Kate Bush

My personal preferences:

1. LL Cool J
2. Carole King
3. Foo Fighters
4. Jay-Z
5. Mary J. Blige
6. Iron Maiden

I'm fine with Tina getting in because of her story, though I'm not super impressed with her solo catalogue. Even though the shine seems to have faded from Fela, it would still be cool to see him receive induction. I'm also OK with Rage getting in, even if there are other 90's bands I'd go with first (the same is true for Foo Fighters as well). The others don't really move the needle for me personally.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 09:55am


I think people are sleeping on Iron Maiden's chances. Sure, they may not have tons of songs that most people can name off the top of their heads, but John Q. Public isn't apart of the voting body. These are people that either are musicians or whose work is heavily involved within music. Maybe you can't name more than 5 Iron Maiden songs, but if you think of the heavy metal genre, is Iron Maiden one of the first 3 names to come to mind? I think they are. And my post is completely downplaying their popularity, by the way. There's a reason Iron Maiden has always been consistently high in the fan kiosk and the fan vote. Their lane is clear and I think they have a strong chance. Will people really be thinking that they NEED to get Foo Fighters in before an act like Iron Maiden?

The only surefire thing that the hall does is disappoint, so I'm not holding my breath, but I wouldn't be surprised either, is all I'm saying.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 10:40am


I forgot what some of the feelings are with the Go-Gos. They are fine. It's the kind of 80s New Wave band I liked. They were a rock type band. They were a bit on the Bubblegum side. But they were melodic. That's very cool. It's another bunch of females for this year. I do NOT expect an all female class. Let's Not get crazy. BUT the Go-Gos together with Carole King and Tina I expect will be the Females this year.
There was a time in the early 1980s for me too when I liked the Go-Gos. I did not own Beauty and the Beat. Enig said Best. He probably meant Beast and it's actually Beat. But I never owned that. I owned Vacation album on Vinyl. That's their 2nd album. I own Go-Gos Greatest Hits on cd. I am also impressed with the solo hits Heaven is a Place on Earth. It was a top hit in 1987. I'm just doing small details of my predictions. Nothing extensive like my main Series. That's it for Now

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 10:40am


People like to blast Eddie Trunk because he's a "Rawkist" but I actually think he's a necessary public voice to have in the body, as metal really is doing atrociously. They need an advocate to really push hard for them.

Actually, I think every genre should have it's own Eddie Trunk. Maybe Kraftwerk would be in by now if we had an Eddie Trunk equivalent for the Electronic genre.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 10:43am


It's fine to have your point of view like he does. What's not ok is the throngs of seemingly brain dead old boomers who type their favorite one to three hit wonder from terrestrial radio that gets played 5 times an hour in all caps and just cannot seem to comprehend why Chuck Berry, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin or Tupac are in and why each member of Kiss hasn't been inducted for their solo careers yet...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 11:21am


As far as the Iron Maiden chances go, I like what you're sayings, Steve Z. However, I know the trends (and it's always dangerous to assume any form of consistency from this voting body), and if they hold true to any previous form, they will go with the more mainstream choices to maximize their view of where the revenue and spotlight should come from. I think Maiden is far more influential on the 80s metal scene than Metallica even was (someone is going to scream until their eyes bleed when they read that statement), but the Hall rarely does things in the proper order...

I love Maiden, they should have gone in 2005, but I don't see it. I hope I'm mistaken. Just like I hope I'm mistaken that Kraftwerk is gonna be inducted not as a main performer...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 11:26am


THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Patsy Cline
The Shangri-Las
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Johnny Burnette & The Rock N Roll Trio
John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers
Junior Walker & The All-Stars
The Spencer Davis Group
Fairport Convention
Tommy James & The Shondells
Gil Scott-Heron
Billy Preston
Gram Parsons
Harry Nilsson
Warren Zevon
Captain Beefheart
Todd Rundgren
Joe Cocker
Barry White
Phil Ochs
Phil Collins
Steve Winwood

THIS IS WHAT A ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
BALLOT SHOULD LOOK LIKE!

NOW VOTE FOR 7 INDUCTEES!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 11:47am


K-Dawg,
I personally remember when Iron Maiden was the leading Heavy Metal band of the world. That would be 1982-1986. Metallica took over as the leading Heavy metal band after that. I came to prefer Metallica. I own 5 albums by Metallica. I am much more Regular Rock than Heavy metal. During the 1980s I listened to an immense of variety. I had a Heavy Metal phase but listened to everything from Iron Maiden and Twisted Sister to The Who to Steely Dan to Squeeze, etc , etc

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 11:52am


Still getting 404's from using the www.rockhall.com/inductees method.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 12:41pm


K-Dawg,
We're in agreement with that. A more openminded Trunk would be ideal, but I do think these ignored subgenres need these public advocates. It shouldn't be at the detriment of others, mind you, but there does seem to be a need for someone stoking the fires for those being ignored.

Maiden is my no guts, no glory prediction this year, as I believe that they're among the top 5 important acts still out standing, but I am realistic enough to know that the hall has its own "quirks" and they may be licking their chops at the chance to induct Grohl again rather than get the uninterested Maiden inducted. Hence the holding of my breath.

And that's not even to say that I'm against Foo Fighters getting in. They're worthy and I'd be happy to see them inducted. But it's always odd to me to see who the perceived favorites are from the start of the nomination announcement and then see that wave continue on throughout the whole voting process. Sometimes it just feels like arbitrary reasons. Tina & Carole feel like locks, but then again, there's always a chance that a surprise could happen like with Radiohead or Pat Benatar.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 12:46pm


At what time will the inductees be announced tomorrow?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 13:21pm


I will be glad this season be over. I can only handle so many hot takes about the Hall and their decisions. The New York Dolls probably will be the most exciting pick. They have the lowest Spotify listeners, yet manage to pull it off. In a world world where music streaming matters, The New York Dolls show that influence can make a difference Their inclusion can help MC5 as the two plus The Stooges complete the trifecta of Porto-punk. Iron Maiden getting in would be a godsend. Then again Heavy Metal gets as much respect as Electronic: almost none. Let's hope it's seven this year!

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 13:31pm


Follower, you're right, Dennis Stratton is alive. I apologize. (I looked him up on Wikipedia, noticed he was alive, and still put him as dead. Maybe all that Iron Maiden music did something to my brain.)

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 13:54pm


Roy,

It's usually at 8 am ET

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 14:10pm


So I will now Elaborate on Iron Maiden. I was getting into the day early. Too early to think about a Heavy band like Iron Maiden. I have some experience with Iron Maiden. I know Piece of Mind and some POWERSLAVE. I own some tunes of theirs. Just last week I was playing 2 Minutes to Midnight on my I phone. POWERSLAVE was an Important album in 1984. It literally is. I've been intrigued by our Own IMPORTANT albums list on this Site. Maiden is my No Guts No Glory prediction. This is the heavy Rock I know something about. Judas Priest failed because of too much completion. Soo a new approach is to have Maiden stand alone.
As far as Foo Fighters. I think they are still a lock with Dave Grohl in that band. The Hall is very anxious to induct Dave Grohl again. But it doesn't matter if Maiden are uninterested. Heyy several years ago I recall Kiss were Not interested and were Inducted anyway. Steve Miller I think was Not that interested and was inducted anyway. I think Foo Fighters and Maiden will be inducted at the same time. We will find out soon.

New York Dolls will continue the Glam Rock tend for the Hall. They do have the lowest Spotify listeners. But It's Ironic. I listened to New York Dolls on Spotify no more than 2 days ago. I think the tune I heard is Personality crisis. They have a lot of influence. They can easily be inducted just like T REX last year. I hope it's Seven this year

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 14:35pm


Been checking this site pretty regularly today. Anxious to find out the results. Some good comments on here.

Standing with my original predictions. Would be shocked if Tina doesn't make it. Would be pretty surprised if Jay-Z, Carole King and Foo Fighters don't make it. I accept it if Foo Fighters get in, but it just annoys me how many important 90s acts are still left out in the cold.

Hoping Steve Z is right about Iron Maiden. They are truly one of the most important acts not in the hall. But I just don't see it this year. I also agree most people couldn't name more that a couple of their songs, but Iron Maiden kind of transcends that. Everyone knows who Iron Maiden is, even if they know nothing about heavy metal.

Hoping for a minimum of six inductees, but seven would be better. Every act on the ballot deserves to make it in. Guessing at least three female acts make it. In my mind Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush and Carole King are the most deserving of the female acts but the others are right behind. I would much rather see LL Cool J in than Jay-Z but don't think it happens.

Hope everyone enjoys the lead up to the announcement. I will be waiting and hoping for some leaks tonight.

Posted by rem on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 15:27pm


My predictions again:

Carole King
Tina Turner
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
The Go-Go's
New York Dolls
Todd Rundgren

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 16:12pm


This isn't up yet. But it's access denied and you get a 403 error

https://www.rockhall.com/class-2021-inductees

Whereas if you type in "2022" you get a 404 error

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 16:58pm


Rem was remy10 by the way. Counting on you Casper.

Posted by remy10 on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 17:03pm


You get 404 errors if you try to type artists in, though. Except for Todd Rundgren, for some reason.

You do get 403 errors for last years unsuccessful nominees, so I guess Todd's page is a leftover from that.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 17:10pm


Ratings for the upcoming ceremony of the 2021 Class: Zero.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 18:24pm


Ultimately, my final predictions (very late in the game) are:

Tina Turner
Carole King
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
if 6: New York Dolls
if 7: Todd Rundgren

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 19:11pm


https://deadline.com/2021/05/golden-globes-canceled-nbc-2022-hfpa-1234753314/

Golden Globes 2022 Canceled On NBC As HFPA Struggles To Reform To Hollywood's Stipulations

And this is what happens when you don't listen to the general public and what they want the most, and HBO/WarnerMedia will stop airing the Hall ceremonies in the future. They know the next class is gonna fail like the last one, and they know both the Kiosk and fan ballot are rigged. The Hall is a dying company along with the NFL, the NBA, and Disney.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 21:26pm


Dude , if the hall just gives U feelings of anger then why bother being involved in it ? No point being involved in a subject that gets you to feel so upset lol

Posted by Disco volantec on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 22:11pm


Eddie Trunk is hinting at Randy Rhoads being announced as a sideman inductee into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/EddieTrunk/status/1392300424670195712

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 22:36pm


https://twitter.com/EddieTrunk/status/1392300424670195712

Eddie Trunk tweeted this tonight on Twitter:

Tomorrow will be some great news for fans of a great influential late guitarist.. that's all I can say now.. but all will be revealed tomorrow and will discuss on #TrunkNation live 2P ET ..

I think he's referring to Randy Rhoads getting the Musical Excellence award.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 22:36pm


An induction for Randy Rhodes would almost make up for Early Influence Kraftwerk.


And by almost, I mean about 55%

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 22:37pm


The Rock Hall will lose all credibility if they induct Kraftwerk as Early Influence! It ain't happening!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 22:41pm


It's totally happening. Several people predicted Early Influence Kraftwerk last year.

And the Trunk could have been talking about a different guitarist. Maybe Eddie Van Halen? I don't know what the hall could do for him.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 22:47pm


Follower,

I have to totally disagree with you about Kraftwerk getting in as an Early Influence, I think that it will take Kraftwerk two more nominations before they get in and they'll get in on their 8th nomination just like Black Sabbath and The Stooges.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 22:52pm


Fellas, Eddie could be talking about the New York Dolls (possibly) being inducted into the Hall. Remember...Johnny Thunders, the Dolls' lead guitarist, passed away in 1991.

Posted by Johnny on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 22:56pm


Yeah, I agree with Johnny. This could very well be hinting at a New York Dolls induction with Thunders and Sylvain both having passed away. The only other deceased guitarist of the nominees would be Bob Casale of Devo, but I don't think Trunk would be getting all excited over them.

That said, a Randy Rhodes sideman induction would be fantastic.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 23:03pm


My only hope is...and I'm sorry if I sound selfish for saying this...that a New York Dolls induction is still NOT bad news for Iron Maiden. I'm rooting really hard for Iron Maiden to get the Call to the Hall.

Posted by Johnny on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 23:06pm


Yeah, I might agree with Steve Z that Randy Rhodes might be inducted because based on the wording on Eddie Trunks' tweet, he included the word "influential". Because just by looking at the ballot, I don't think there's any nominee that has a Hendrix-level influential guitar player besides Tom Morello.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 23:08pm


It's midnight in Cleveland. Has Casper found anything?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 23:08pm


I think I've got something, Follower. And I know I said I wasn't gonna do leak stuff, but it turns out I have work tomorrow morning so I don't have time to listen to a podcast.

Six artists redirect to an Access Denied page:

Tina
Carole
Jay
Foos
Go-Gos
LL Cool J (!!!)

There may be a seventh if I was typing one of the other artists wrong, but I don't know for sure.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 23:23pm


Randy Rhoads induction would be awesome and that he could add that Heavy Metal support. Almost makes up Iron Maiden. Almost.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 05/11/2021 @ 23:47pm


RG, Some good detective work. That still doesn't give Maiden/Rundgren/Warwick, who have come out as fan sympathy votes, much hope.

Then again, this class, while full of superstars, doesn't really cross many t's beyond a female statement which could be viewed as token. The genres are pretty well represented...for the possible inductees...

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 00:08am


@RG

How did you figure this out?! If that we're true, then yes! Hova got voted in on his first year!

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 00:10am


If RG is right, that's a pretty good class. Sad for no Chaka and no Todd, but that'd be pretty awesome.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 00:20am


If that is true, that means

*Three women, three men
*Three Black Artists, three White Artists

And also, people better know the lyrics to either "Hard Knock Life" and/or "Encore" for the ceremony.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 00:29am


One more time I'll post the Roundup:

All Thirteen predicted Tina Turner, The Go-Go's, and Foo Fighters

Twelve predictions for Jay-Z and Carole King. Eric Layton denied Jay-Z and Troy L. Smith denied Carole King.

Six predictions for Dionne Warwick

Five predictions for Rage Against The Machine

Four predictions for Fela Kuti, (one of which is Musical Excellence) and New York Dolls

Three predictions for Devo and Todd Rundgren

One prediction each for LL Cool J and Iron Maiden. (Both of them from Eric Layton!)

Zero predictions for Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, and Chaka Khan.

A few predicted an Early Influence happening this year, but gave no name. I think it'll be Kraftwerk based on Alan Light's comments.

List of predictors: Charles Crossly Jr., E-Rockracy, Tom Lane, Jason Voight, Nick Bambach, AlexVoltaire, The Music Zamboni, Philip/Rock Hall Monitors, Troy L. Smith, Donnie Durham, Michelle Bourg, Future Rock Legends, and Who Cares About The Rock Hall?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 00:33am


It's an all-American class. Pandemic reasons. I'm only happy about Tina Turner and Carole King.

Tina Turner
Carole King
The Go-Go's
LL Cool J
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 00:55am


Roy,

is this your speculation or do you have some info?

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 01:28am


I'm bummed that we have two new members of the Fan Vote 7*. Fela should have been inducted just because of the Nigerian campaign. I guess it's good that Tina overthrew him in the end, though.

*Judas Priest, Todd Rundgren, Dave Matthews Band, Pat Benetar, Soundgarden, Fela Kuti and Iron Maiden. inducting all seven of these would be an interesting class.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 01:35am


Wonder if Eddie is hinting at a Link Wray early influence induction?

Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 01:40am


I was out for the night so wasn't trying any methods. Definitely can't replicate what RG says they have found...interestingly, only LL Cool J would be a surprise from RG's list as those other five names are the five most expected to get in this year.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 04:35am


If that's the list, that's great! It would be the first time two rappers got inducted at the same time!!! And the first time THREE female acts were inducted at the same time.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 05:05am


Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
The Go-Gos
Tina Turner
Carole King
Todd Rudngren

Posted by Living Stone on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 06:59am


Ohhh Ok. That's the list.2021 Inductees are announced. I expected and predicted a few like Foo Fighters, The Go-Gos and of course Tina Turner. LL Cool J is a mistake. How did that mistake happen? Well there it is

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:30am


Performer Category:
Tina Turner
Carole King
The Go-Go's
JAY-Z
Foo Fighters
Todd Rundgren

Early Influence Award:
Kraftwerk
Charley Patton
Gil Scott-Heron

Musical Excellence Award:
LL Cool J
Billy Preston
Randy Rhoads

Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Clarence Avant

So disappointed to see Kraftwerk as early influence only. However, inducting them and Gil Scott-Heron might open up to more non-commercially successful bands who played a vital part in music history. Joy Division, Big Star, MC5 to name a few.

Disappointed not to see Fela and New York Dolls there though.

Posted by Jon on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 08:43am


And as a few of you already mentioned, it's a bit sad to see Foo Fighters get in before several other alternative acts who are far better and also earlier in the evolution. The Smiths, Pixies, Sonic Youth, Smashing Pumpkins and Joy Division / New Order to name a few.

Posted by Jon on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 08:47am


If I'm reading it right, the inductees are exactly who I picked.

If Todd was influence and Kraftwerk was the performer, I'd like this list a bit more. As it is, glad we are getting a little diversity, but from a genre standpoint, this is pushing more individuals in well-represented categories into a Hall backlogged to the gills with unaccounted for subsections of rock and roll

Small win, but fail on the larger scale...

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 09:08am


Well, it's good to see that The Go-gos, Carole King and Tina Turner had finally received well- deserved inductions. So, a gain of 5 women is a good thing, but inducting Foo Fighters and Jay Z, clearly places the balance in favor of the men, once again. I still think that Todd Rundgren should have been given the Musical Excellence award, instead of being inducted as a performer. That would have left room for the possible inductions of Kate Bush and Dionne Warwick. Whatever. Why induct Kraftwerk as an early influence? Why not place them on the ballot as a performer again this year? Why induct LL Cool J for Musical Excellence, instead of re-nominating him again, next year? If they were going to do that, then why not put Chic in, instead? After all, Chic had been nominated 11 times to no avail. If anything, this is a bold statement that the Rock Hall does not have to answer to anyone!

On the positive side: The Bangles, Carly Simon and Sade may finally receive long overdue nominations and inductions next year.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 09:59am


Well, it's good to see that The Go-gos, Carole King and Tina Turner had finally received long overdue well- deserved inductions. So, a gain of 5 women is a good thing, but inducting Foo Fighters and Jay Z, clearly places the balance in favor of the men, once again. I still think that Todd Rundgren should have been given the Musical Excellence award, instead of being inducted as a performer. That would have left room for the possible inductions of Kate Bush and Dionne Warwick. Whatever. Why induct Kraftwerk as an early influence? Why not place them on the ballot as a performer again this year? Why induct LL Cool J for Musical Excellence, instead of re-nominating him again, next year? If they were going to do that, then why not put Chic in, instead? After all, Chic had been nominated 11 times to no avail. If anything, this is a bold statement that the Rock Hall does what it wants and does not have to answer to anyone!

By the way, did any of the special categories add any more ladies to the Rock Hall?

On the positive side: The Bangles, Carly Simon and Sade may finally receive long overdue nominations and inductions next year.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 10:10am


Michael W., RG, Richie, The Dude, K-Dawg, etc.

Are you ready for me to do my tier list rankings again? This time with the new 2021 inductees? Or should I wait for a little while so everyone can enjoy the moment?


Michael W.,

I took your comments on our differences in tier list rankings and to try explain on my decision why I place them there. Gonna take some time, but I hope you understand what I see in my eyes.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 10:45am


I wish the Hall had a preliminary ballot like in sports, where they start with a huge amount and gradually reduce it over time.

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 06/18/2021 @ 03:36am



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