Future Rock Legends predicts the 2021 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominees

Future Rock Legends predicts the following 16 eligible artists will be on the 2021 ballot:

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Artists who have never been nominated...

Jay-Z - As one of the most qualified artists of all-time, Jay-Z will add his name to the exclusive list of first ballot Hall of Famers.
Foo Fighters - Lately, Dave Grohl has become known as much for being a music industry icon as he has for fronting the Foo Fighters. As a member of the Rock Hall's Nominating Committee since the 2017 ballot, Grohl has seen how things work from the inside, and won't stand in the way of his band's nomination. Once on the ballot, his relationships around the industry will give Grohl his second first-ballot induction, something only John Lennon has accomplished.
Mötley Crüe - This is the first ballot created under new Rock Hall chairman John Sykes, who has a long history at MTV and VH1. Mötley Crüe were in heavy rotation on MTV in the mid-80s and provided a face to one of the most popular genres of the era. Their renewed popularity and pending stadium tour with Def Leppard makes the Rock Hall look even more foolish for keeping them off the ballot for so long.
Duran Duran - It finally feels like it will be their turn to get a Rock Hall nomination after 15 years of waiting.
Kool & the Gang - The Who Cares About the Rock Hall? podcast has had a number of current members of the Nominating Committee as guests in the last couple of years. After host Joe Kwaczala's previous top snub, The Cure, was inducted in 2019, he has made it clear that Kool & the Gang are his new number one priority. A first nomination for the group after nothing for 27 years would prove there are a lot of Committee members listening.
Beck - If Beck is left off the ballot again this year, someone please ask the members of the Nominating Committee where exactly are the holes in his impeccable résumé.
The Go-Go's - Nominating Committee members have mentioned that cultural momentum can play a part in artists getting a long awaited nomination. It probably won't get any stronger than it is this year for The Go-Go's, who are riding the wave of publicity from their Showtime documentary and Stewart Copeland's "What the f**k? They're not?" reaction to their Rock Hall exclusion. WTF, indeed.
The Guess Who - In recent months, a group from Winnipeg held a well-organized online campaign for The Guess Who to get into the Rock Hall. In the distant past, petitions were known to be ignored by the NomCom, but that truism hasn't been tested very often in the Hall of Fame's new populist era. Let's see what happens.

Artists who have recently been nominated...

[Predictions posted February 8, 2021]

Artists are eligible for the Rock Hall 26 years after releasing their first record (anyone with a record released up through 1995). Future Rock Legends lists eligible artists by first year of eligiblity or alphabetically.

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Predictions for the Hall of Fame nominees. 16 picks, same number as were nominated last year. These are my predictions, not those I think are most deserving or my personal picks.

The B-52s: I'm not as confident in this pick as some are on this site, but they would be a great pick and add some welcome flavor to the proceedings.

Pat Benatar: I was surprised she wasn't inducted last year. Safe bet that she will be nominated again and will do well in the fan vote. I've always been a fan and feel she is deserving.

The Dave Matthews Band: Many were upset when they won the fan vote and didn't get in. Hard to believe they won't at least get another nomination. I'm not that excited about them because I feel there are bigger snubs from the early 90s.

The Eurythmics: Many are picking Duran Duran and that wouldn't surprise me at all. But I'm going for a repeat nomination of Dave and Annie, who have many friends and connections in the industry. Might be blinded by my fandom here.

The Go-Gos: Lots of buzz for this awesome group. I think this choice would be very popular with most people. I believe they would likely get in if nominated.

Tommy James & the Shondells: I don't think the 60s will see much representation going forward, which is a bummer for me. Maybe we see a different way of doing nominations, with different categories. I feel Tommy James is just as deserving as many 60s acts already enshrined and is due for a nomination. This is my only "oldie" pick.

Jay-Z: Not rocket science here. He should/will be nominated in his first year and will likely be one of the inductees. I don't think he's quite as deserving of a FYI as many do, but I'm not going to argue with the choice.

Jethro Tull: I have never predicted their nomination before, but after The Doobie Brothers got in there needs to be another obvious 70s rock act. Jethro fits the bill. I would prefer Bad Company myself, but just don't see it happening. This would also keep the Proggies happy.

Judas Priest: Last year I predicted Iron Maiden, and was surprised when Judas Priest got another shot. Both are ridiculously deserving. I'll go with the slightly safer guess.

Kraftwerk: Honestly I'm not sure about this. They need to do something about Kraftwerk. It would not surprise me at all to see them awarded for Musical Excellence or something like that.
I don't want to see that happen, but I honestly don't see how Kraftwerk gets voted in on any type of competitive ballot. Too many people don't know who they are. I'm going to predict them because it is foolish not to. But something needs to change. This is turning into Chic all over again.

The New York Dolls: They have been nominated before and are a critical darling. I am guessing the MC5 get a break from the ballot and these gentlemen take their place.

Outkast: Rap is awfully spotty for nominations and inductions. Outkast is incredibly deserving and I think they would have support among non-rap voters. Hopefully they are given a shot. I am predicting LL Cool J does not make the ballot this year.

RATM: I am not predicting The Foo Fighters, which might be an idiotic stance. I am going to guess that the committee gives a few earlier acts another shot first. RATM already has a couple of nominations. I would actually prefer to see The Foo Fighters (or Jane's Addiction, for that matter) in this spot.

Soundgarden: I personally want to see this happen. It took them awhile to get on the ballot. Hopefully they stay on until they are inducted.

The Smiths: Now that Depeche Mode and The Cure are in, looking for The Smiths to get another shot. They have an uphill climb, with virtually no American success. I was tempted to replace them with Joy Division/New Order but The Smiths have been nominated before and I think they are a decent bet.

Tina Turner: She really deserves to be in solo. More deserving of two inductions than Stevie Nicks (and I am a huge Stevie fan) and saddling her with Ike just seems wrong given the nature of their relationship. Diana Ross could be an obvious choice here too.

A few others I would like/expect to see:
Alice In Chains and Beck: The early 90s really has some major artists that deserve a first nomination. I could see either of these being nominated.

Kate Bush/The Spinners/Salt N Pepa: I would be over the moon if one of these three gets nominated/inducted. Kate is probably the best bet. I considered picking her over The Eurythmics.

Oasis: Picked them last year. Thought they were too big to ignore. Silly me.

Blood, Sweat & Tears: Almost picked them over Tommy James. Never been nominated before but I could really see it happening. More deserving than some people think.

The Shangri-Las/Link Wray/Procol Harum: Ruined by the Singles Category. Consider this my first push for The Shangri-Las in the Projected vote. Unique and totally deserving.

Posted by remy10 on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 07:32am

Not expecting to happen this year, but if the Rock Hall and the Nom Com actually listens to their consumers for what they want and nominate Mötley Crue, then they need to apologize for rigging the kiosk. Otherwise, they'll possibly get another round of low attendances and layoffs. The coronavirus wasn't only thing that caused it, and nobody cares what the press think of certain acts. The Rock Hall was built for the masses first and foremost, and it has way too many corporate ties to be considered as a non-profit organization.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 09:54am

Hey guys! Today's my birthday! I won't give too much in detail in my predictions as I will be celebrating it!

The nominees:
Soundgarden (1 nom)
Motörhead (1 nom)
New York Dolls (1 nom)
Kraftwerk (6 noms)
B-52s (FYN)
Rufus/Chaka Khan (Total of 5 Noms)
John Prine (1 nom)
Dave Matthews Band (1 nom)
Toots and the Maytals (FYN)
RATM ( 2 Noms)

The Inductees:
Foo Fighters (FYE)
Jay-Z (FYE)
Pat and Neil (1 nom)
Duran Duran (FYN)
The Go-Gos (FYN)
Bad Company (FYN)

My wishlist because of my B-Day:
RATM
Smashing Pumpkins
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Joy Division/New Order
Gram Parsons

Have a wonderful time predicting y'all and like Bill and Ted said, "Be excellent to each other!"

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 12:03pm

Happy Birthday Plebian. Hope it's a good one for you.

We have quite a few predictions in common. I especially liked your wish list inclusion of Joy Division/New Order and Gram Parsons. Two artists that I truly believe should have been inducted quite a while ago. Hope springs eternal I guess.

Posted by remy10 on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 12:25pm

Reposting my most recent predictions here now that there's a new thread going:

16 NOMINEES
1. Bad Company (Eligible since 1999, First Nomination)
2. Cher (Eligible since 1999, First Nomination)
3. Duran Duran (Eligible since 2006, First Nomination)
4. Foo Fighters (First Year Eligible)
5. The Go-Go's (Eligible Since 2005, First Nomination)
6. Jay-Z (First Year Eligible)
7. Jethro Tull (Eligible Since 1993, First Nomination)
8. Judas Priest (Eligible Since 1999, Third Nomination)
9. Kool & The Gang (Eligible Since 1994, First Nomination)
10. Kraftwerk (Eligible Since 1995, Seventh Nomination)
11. Marianne Faithfull (Eligible Since 1989, First Nomination)
12. Pat Benatar (Eligible Since 1999, Second Nomination)
13. Rage Against the Machine (Eligible Since 2017, Third Nomination)
14. Soundgarden (Eligible Since 2011, Second Nomination)
15. Todd Rundgren (Eligible Since 1995, Third Nomination)
16. Tommy James & The Shondells (Eligible Since 1991, First Nomination)

BACKUPS
1. Mariah Carey (Eligible Since 2015, First Nomination)
2. Motley Crue (Eligible Since 2006, First Nomination)
3. Rufus ft. Chaka Khan (Eligible Since 1998, Fourth Nomination)
4. Thin Lizzy (Eligible Since 1995, Second Nomination)
5. The B-52's (Eligible Since 2003, First Nomination)

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 12:25pm

Happy birthday, Plebian!

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 12:28pm

Happy Birthday, Plebian!

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 13:17pm

Reposting my final predictions for 2021 nominees on the new thread. 18 feels like a good number:

1. Jay-Z - I'd be stunned if he wasn't in on the first ballot, but I've been stunned before.
2. Pat Benatar - Sure seems like they'd give Pat another shot, since she's one of the most noteworthy female rockers not inducted yet.
3. Smashing Pumpkins - Billy Corgan takes Trent Reznor's place as the tortured genius of the 90's on the ballot.
4. Kraftwerk - I think they'll keep appearing on the ballot until they finally get their due. They're on everyone's biggest snubs list.
5. Cyndi Lauper - Many think Mariah will fill the Janet Jackson/Whitney Houston spot, but I think they'll go with another pop queen who's been around since the mid-80's.
6. Duran Duran - It sure feels like it's their time following the inductions of the Cure and Depeche Mode.
7. Soundgarden - Dave Grohl will likely want them inducted before Foo Fighters get a nom.
8. Kool & The Gang - I toyed with the Commodores here, but went with Kool & the Gang just because they're more fun.
9. Big Star - MC5 doesn't seem to have the support so we'll pivot to another seminally influential band.
10. LL Cool J - I honestly can't understand why he keeps getting passed over, so I hope the committee will give him another shot.
11. Judas Priest - They get one more chance before Iron Maiden replaces them on the ballot
12. Beck - He seems to check all the boxes. He's innovative, influential, critically acclaimed, reverent of those who came before him, and has a couple iconic songs in "Loser" and "Where It's At".
13. Joe Cocker - One of the most iconic performers at the original Woodstock deserves at least a nomination.
14. Bad Company - Paul Rodgers has one of the best voices in rock and the band has a number of recognizable songs, similar to the Doobie Brothers.
15. Tina Turner - Lots of people think she should get in as a solo artist along with her existing induction and that makes a lot of sense. Her career revival in the 80's was arguably greater than her work with Ike.
16. Dave Matthews Band - Have to give them another chance after winning the fan vote, and they'd likely win it again but still not get inducted.
17. The B-52's - One of the most distinctive bands out there. Also one of the earliest artists to make it big on college rock stations.
18. Motorhead - I can see them being someone's pet project and fighting for them to come back for a second try.

10 first-time nominees; 8 previously nominated artists

Tough omissions: Rage Against the Machine, The Smiths, Foo Fighters, The Pointer Sisters, Foreigner, Outkast

Artists I'd love to see on the ballot but who probably don't stand much of a chance: KC and the Sunshine Band, Tommy James and the Shondells, Sinead O'Connor, Supertramp, Mary J. Blige, Tori Amos

Posted by Michael W. on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 13:30pm

KING OCTOBER 2020 RRHOF PREDICTIONS (20). Like others reposting
1. Bad Company
2. Duran Duran
3. Soundgarden
4. Procol Harum
5. Judas Priest
6. Diana Ross
7. Scorpions
8. Smashing Pumpkins
9. Gram/Emmylou
10. Rufus/Chaka Khan
11. Lenny Kravitz
12. Motley Crue
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. The Offspring
15. Jay-Z
16. Kool & The Gang
17. Pat Benatar
18. Iron Maiden
19. LL Cool J
20. Dave Matthews Band
KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 13:57pm

Also, for the record, here's what I would consider my "dream ballot"/my top 20 biggest snubs:
A Tribe Called Quest
The B-52's
Carly Simon
Devo
Dolly Parton
Eurythmics
The Go-Go's
Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Outkast
Pat Benatar
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus/Chaka Khan
Salt-N-Pepa
The Smiths
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 17:00pm

I think Jay-Z will be the only hip-hop/rap nominee on the ballot. I also predict LL Cool J won't be nominated for the 2022 class due to Eminem becoming eligible. At the current moment, it seems the best way to get rap acts into the Rock Hall is to get them in one at a time. Once Jay-Z and Eminem are out of the way, I feel a lot of snubbed rap acts will finally get their due, LL Cool J being one of them.

Posted by Garrick on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 22:53pm

Here my predications for next year Nominees of Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame

Performers
A Tribe Called Quest
Dave Matthews Band
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers
Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk
MC5
The Monkees
Motley Crue
Motorhead
Pat Benatar
Phil Collins
Procol Harum
The Replacements
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Steppenwolf
Thin Lizzy
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
War

Senior Performers
Big Mama Thornton
Blind Lemon Jefferson
Carole King
Chuck Willis
Cubby Checker
The Dominoes
Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio
Link Wray and the Raymen
The Marvelettes
Patsy Cline
The Spinners
Willie Nelson

This is my picks and predications of next year Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame

Be sure to vote for them when you go to Cleveland to the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame and voted yes in Not in Hall Of Fame under Rock and Roll Page.

Posted by Dan Windler on Wednesday, 10/7/2020 @ 00:09am

My prediction and want lists

Prediction:

Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Carole King
Kraftwerk
Rufus/Chaka Khan
New York Dolls
Soundgarden
Jethro Tull
The Go-Go's
Eurythmics
Phish
Willie Nelson/Dolly Parton/Loretta Lynn/Emmylou Harris (either one)
Kool and The Gang
Judas Priest/Iron Maiden (either one)
Thin Lizzy
Big Star
Mariah Carey

Want list

Kraftwerk
Big Star
The Pointer Sisters
Dolly Parton
Loretta Lynn
Salt-N-Pepa
The B-52s
Sparks
Lesley Gore
Poco
LaBelle
Diana Ross
Tina Turner
Cyndi Lauper
Joan Armatrading
Kate Bush
Queen Latifah
UFO
Neil Sedaka
Black Flag
The Jam
New York Dolls
Gram Parsons
Big Mama Thornton
MC Lyte
Sade
Kool and The Gang
Bjork

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 10/7/2020 @ 10:06am

CLASS OF 2021

Joe Cocker (Woodstock performer, long deceased)

Canned Heat (Woodstock performer, Monterey performer)

Blood, Sweat, and Tears (Woodstock performer)

They Might Be Giants (more college rock)

Pat Benatar (finish the 80s female hard rockers)

Styx (more prog)

Emerson, Lake, and Palmer (more prog, Emerson and Lake are dead)

King Crimson (more prog, Lake is dead)

Procol Harum (more prog)

Jethro Tull (more prog)

Motorhead (speed metal, the lineup is dead)

Soundgarden (more grunge, Cornell is dead)

Alice in Chains (more grunge)

Motley Crue (Walk of Fame)

The Dave Matthews Band (they topped the fan poll last year)

Supertramp (more prog)

Asia (more prog)

Toto (more prog)

Iron Maiden (power metal)

Devo (more early new wave)

The B-52's (more early new wave)

R.E.O. Speedwagon (diamond seller)

Boston (diamond seller)

Hootie and the Blowfish (diamond seller)

The Smashing Pumpkins (diamond seller)

SPECIAL COMMITTEE

The Belmonts (Dion's backing group)

Big Brother and the Holding Company (Janis Joplin's original band, Monterey)

Crazy Horse (Neil Young's band in the sixties)

The Silver Bullet Band (Bob Seger's band)

The Patti Smith Group (complete the act)

The Jeff Beck Group (complete the act and induct Rod Stewart a third time)

Wings (Paul McCartney's band in the seventies)

The Revolution (Prince's band in the eighties)

The Mothers of Invention (Frank Zappa's band)

The Wailers (Bob Marley's band)

The Steve Miller Band (complete the act, Monterey)

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Weird Al Yankovic (king of comedy rock)

Chubby Checker (get it over with, the Twist)

Big Mama Thornton (get it over with, Hound Dog)

Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats (get it over with, Rocket 88, first rock song)

The Big Bopper (get it over with, the Day the Music Died)

Steppenwolf (first rock song to feature the words "heavy metal")

Chic (get it over with)

Dick Dale and His Del Tones (king of the surf guitar)

Link Wray and His Wray Men (pioneered the power chord)

Stray Cats (led the rockabilly revival)

EARLY INFLUENCE
Scott Joplin (led the rise of ragtime and thus the birth of jazz)

The Andrews Sisters (popular girl group in the swing era)

The McGuire Sisters (popular girl group in the swing era)

The Glenn Miller Orchestra (popular swing band)

Cab Calloway (popular jump blues musician)

Louis Prima (popular jump blues musician)

Bing Crosby (popular crooner)

Ella Fitzgerald (popular singer in the swing era)

Tommy Johnson (Delta blues musician who did the song Cross Road Blues, covered by Cream)

Mississippi John Hurt (early blues musician)

NONPERFORMER

Edward D. Easton (founder of Columbia Records)

Posted by anonymous on Wednesday, 10/7/2020 @ 16:21pm

So eveyone,

Last year there were 3 artists who breached the top 5 in the Fan Vote without getting inducted. All three of those artists were nominated, but only Nine Inch Nails were inducted. This year, that number has increased to 5!

The five acts are: Judas Priest, Todd Rundgren, Soundgarden, Pat Benatar, and Dave Matthews Band. Do any of you think that this year, some of them (or even all 5) will be nominated again?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 10/7/2020 @ 18:42pm

I think they all have a shot at returning, with Benatar and DMB coming in as the big ones, in my opinion. I also think Rage Against the Machine returns after a one year hiatus and swiftly gets in. Jethro Tull is a likely pick for the 70s classic rock pick, although that's a bit of a toss up as there are plenty of others that fit that bill too. Could also be Thin Lizzy in that spot too. Priest can return, but this time I'm hoping they give Motorhead a break, so that they don't take away from each other again. Personally, I'd like them to try Iron Maiden this go around and then go back to Judas Priest or Motorhead. It's possible Kool and the Gang and/or Toots and the Maytals get nominated, although I doubt it'd be both. I think Kool has a great shot at getting inducted too. I think with The Cure & Depeche Mode finally in, The Smiths might return. It wouldn't be the first time the Hall inducted someone "notorious" (no pun on Biggie). An 80s pick is likely, maybe Eurythmics return? I think we may be sleeping on Blink-182 a bit. They've been near the top of the kiosk during the entirety of its existence (not that that necessarily means anything) and they'd bring in that younger base that the hall is definitely hoping for.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 10/7/2020 @ 19:26pm

my final nomination predictions

1.Willie Nelson(eligible since 1987)
2.Cher(eligible since 1991)
3.Mc5(eligible since 1992)
4.Gram Parsons(eligible since 1993)
5.Jethro Tull(eligible since 1994)
6.Tina Turner(eligible since 1999)
7.Rufus With Chaka Khan(eligible since 1999)
8.Iron Maiden(eligible since 2005)
9.The Go-go's(eligible since 2006)
10.Duran Duran(eligible since 2007)
11.The Smiths(eligible since 2009)
12.Mariah Carey(eligible since 2016)
13.Rage Against The Machine(eligible since 2018)
14.Oasis(eligible since 2020)
15.Foo Fighters(eligible since 2021)
16.Jay-z(eligible since 2021)

final inductee predictions
1.Willie Nelson
2.Cher
3.Iron Maiden
4.The Go-go's
5.Rage Against The Machine
6.Jay-z

Posted by Riley on Wednesday, 10/7/2020 @ 21:32pm

I have been checking the lists of nominee predictions from everyone who has posted their choices, and they do not differ a whole lot from my own, with the exception of a few wild cards I like to throw in. I believe that everyone has posted great nominee choices, with a lot of specific reasons, so I'll make an attempt to approach that standard. I normally select from a pool of 30 or 40 possible nominees, who I would think have an excellent chance at being the probable nominees.. 18 seems to be the given # for nominee predictions, and I will try to rate on a scale of which artists would be most probable..

1. - Jethro Tull - (High on my list, not because of the Prog element, but that they are just so damn talented, innovative, and original).
2. - Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo - (May have hit a snag with the Pat/Neil thing last year, but are highly deserving and overdue, nonetheless).
3. - Jay -Z. - ( Sits atop the Hip Hop world and music industry with tremendous contributions and still evolving legendary status.. I would prefer an LL Cool J nom, but I am 99% sure this will happen).
4. - Bad Company - ( Riding a consistent string of excellent 70's Rock albums and the Paul Rodgers factor looming large, they move into the position of the recently inducted Doobie Brothers slot).
5. - Judas Priest - ( Rob Halford had shared his message from RRHOF committee stating sometimes it can take awhile to get inducted, Black Sabbath had to wait many years through numerous nominations to finally get inducted, so hang in there. I would think they are still on the cusp, and as far as Metal goes, they are knocking at the door).
6. - Kraftwerk - (They keep getting nominated because they need and deserve to get in.. The hands down Electro -Rock pioneers).
7. - Motorhead - (Unique, gritty, raw, intense, bombastic, highly influential, fan favorite, Lemmy is practically worshipped in the Rock/Metal world.. moves into the MC5 perennial nominee Metal/Punk slot).
8. - Soundgarden - (I believe there are very few people who do not want an induction for Soundgarden, so I would suppose they are still working on a way to get them up towards the top).
9. - The B-52's - (Original, innovative, wildly creative, catchy, weird, poppy, and deserve to be right up there with the Talking Heads and The Pretenders as originators of New Wave/College Rock/Alternative).
10.- The Commodores - (Maybe a toss up as some have stated between them and Kool and the Gang. I like both, but I would just give a slight edge to Lionel Ritchie and company. Well overdue for a nomination).
11.- Tommy James and the Shondells - (Plenty of hits, inspirational, influential and way overdue for a nomination, let's Do it!.).
12.- Smashing Pumpkins -(Debating over them or Alice in Chains, but I believe Billy Corgan and the crew add some multi dimensional elements and creativity and are worthy of a nomination).
13.- New York Dolls -(Move right in to that slot vacated by T. Rex.. Innovators of Glam/Punk, and inspired and influenced many in a similar manner that T. Rex and Roxy Music did, and of course also Iggy and the Stooges:)
14.- The Go-Go's -(They did so much for Women's Bands who Rock, and along with Pat Benatar blazed a serious trail for female Rock bands who came after, making their music mainstream, where Fanny, Suzi Quatro, and The Runaways did not).
15.- The Guess Who -(Am I the only one on board for this band? Their legacy of hits speaks volumes, and bands of that era like Grand Funk Railroad and Three Dog Night are still highly underrated and overlooked).
16.- Rufus featuring Chaka Khan( Return once again for another try. I would like to see their induction, but damn it's a tough road.. still in that outside orbit).
17.- Willie Nelson -(Going out on a limb here, but I feel this is something that just needs to happen. At least a nomination, and then see what plays out. Who doesn't love Willie, and, he can get a lot of support, he is very well deserving, a legend, and who knows?).
18.- Joy Division/ New Order -(Not sure how they make this work, but a nomination is due for this group or groups. Pretty much the same band, just different name and sound of course, but the core is there. And their place in music history should be recognized. Slide them on into that Depeche Mode slot and go from there).
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Right there.. One foot in the Door, or maybe a couple of toes.. on the edge.
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19. - Devo -(Would like to see them get another nomination. It could happen, but with the log jam, maybe next year).
20. -Eurythmics -(I think they have been hovering around getting a nomination and deserve to, but the heavy competition keeps coming).
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Bands on the Outside, on the cusp, the waiting list, looking in..
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21.- Thin Lizzy -(I would hope for a re-nomination, as they did pretty good last year, just may have been a too Rock-heavy Class).
22.- Duran Duran -(Don't think I'm quite sold yet on their induction chances, but they could squeeze in there and get a nomination. I'm thinking in a year or 2).
23.- Scorpions -(My Dark Horse.. not in my Top Nominee list, but I would not rule them out. Should happen in the near future, as they were a huge influence, along with Thin Lizzy, on most all 80's Hard Rock/Metal).
24.- King Crimson -(Should probably already be inducted, but continue to fly way under the radar, and taken for granted. Maybe it is just hard to pin them down and truly define them).
25. -INXS -(Another wild card for me.. I think they were huge, very influential, maybe just lacking that certain element to gain top status, but they were right there, almost..).
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All right.. Done deal. Gonna have to live with that, although I more than likely forgot a few that I may have wanted to get in there, or at least recognize like Todd Rundgren(Take one year break), Dave Matthews Band(may not want to go through that again this year), excluded Foo Fighters(Agree that Dave wants to get other bands in first), and Rage ATM,(maybe Morello feels the same). I tried to go with some top choices that may have not all gotten due recognition. See how it plays..

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 10/8/2020 @ 00:29am

If I were to Predict the nominees to be Inducted from my list of 18, I would go with 7 inductees:

1.- Pat Benatar/ Neil Giraldo
2.- Jay-Z
3. - Jethro Tull
4. - Judas Priest
5. - The B-52's
6. - Smashing Pumpkins
7. - Willie Nelson

Did have Kraftwerk, Soundgarden, and maybe Rufus on the list, but I had to liven it up a bit with B-52's and Smashing Pumpkins.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 10/8/2020 @ 01:07am

Here are my Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominee List
Bad Company
Bachman Turner Overdrive
Foghat
Head East
Foreigner
Warren Zevon
Robert Palmer
The Wallflowers
The Counting Crows
LIVE
The Smashing Pumpkins
Jethro Tull
Bryan Adams
Blue Oyster Cult
George Michael
TLC
Hanson
Better Than Ezra
Steppenwolf
Procol Harum
The Spencer Davis Group
Steve Winwood
Billy Idol
Midnight Oil
The Black Crowes
Iron Butterfly
Badfinger

Posted by Caleb Rogers on Thursday, 10/8/2020 @ 17:38pm

So the announcement is in December, right?

Posted by anonymous on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 01:46am

THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
BASED ON ELIGIBLE ARTISTS WITH THE MOST VOTES
ON FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS

https://futurerocklegends.com/statistics.php

1. Devo
2. Jethro Tull
3. Duran Duran
4. Alice In Chains
5. Foo Fighters
6. The Smiths
7. Blink-182
8. Backstreet Boys
9. Mariah Carey

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 12:17pm

My final predictions for the 2021 nominees are:

The B-52's/Devo/Jane's Addiction/Pixies/The Replacements/The Smiths/Sonic Youth (one of those)
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Joe Cocker/Tommy James & The Shondells/The Monkees (one of those)
The Commodores/The Meters/The Spinners/War/Barry White (one of those)
Eurythmics
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest/Iron Maiden/Motorhead/Thin Lizzy (one of those)
Carole King/Gram Parsons/John Prine/Todd Rundgren (one of those)
Kraftwerk
MC5/New York Dolls (one of those)
Rage Against The Machine/Soundgarden (one of those)
Rufus With Chaka Khan/Chaka Khan (solo) (one of those)
Tina Turner

I chose 16 nominees, the same number as last year, I chose only acts that have been either previously nominated for the Rock Hall or previously considered with the exception of the newly eligible Jay-Z, I left off Foo Fighters because I just don't see them as a FYE inductee/nominee, The acts that I chose for my nominee predictions list this year I feel are the most likely to appear on the ballot this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 12:23pm

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Ben E. King
02. Mary Wells
03. The Spinners
04. The Marvelettes
05. Chubby Checker

06. Carole King
07. Diana Ross
08. Tina Turner
09. Phil Collins
10. Joe Cocker

11. Willie Nelson
12. Dionne Warwick
13. Harry Belafonte
14. Judy Collins
15. Mariah Carey

16. Jethro Tull
17. King Crimson
18. The Commodores
19. The Monkees
20. The Kingston Trio

21. Peter, Paul & Mary
22. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
23. Blood, Sweat & Tears
24. Kool & The Gang
25. Jan & Dean

26. Foreigner
27. Duran Duran
28. Alice In Chains
29. Soundgarden
30. Rage Against The Machine

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 13:13pm

Nominees:

1. Gram Parsons/Emylou Harris (If thats good for Jackson Brown/Linda Ronstadt...)
2. Joe Cocker (If thats good for Rod Stewart....)
3. John Mayall (If thats good for Quincy Jones...)
4. Cliff Richard & The Shadows (If thats good for Ricky Nelson...)
5. Johnny Winter (If thats good for Freddy King...)
6. Tina Turner (If thats good for Darlene Love....)
7. Quicksilver Messenger Service (If thats good for Paul Butterfield Blues Band)
8. Iron Maiden (If thats good for Metallica...)
9. Judas Priest (If Thats good for Alice Cooper Group)
10. Chuck Willis (If that good for Curtis Mayfield...)
11. Canned Heat (If thats good for Grateful Dead...)
12. Thin Lizzy (If thats good for Small Face...)
13. Tom Jones (If thats good for Wilson Pickett)
14. Waren Zevon (If thats good for Mort Schuman...)
15. The Guess Who (If thats good for Chicago...)
16. Jethro Tull (If thats good for Genesis...)
17. Jan & Dean (If thats good for The Beach Boys...)
18. Marian Faithfull (If thats good for Laura Nyro...)
19. Johnny Halliday (If thats good for Elvis & Springsteen...)
20. Willie Nelson (If thats good for Bob Wills...)

Side Men.

1. The Jordanaires
2. Billy Preston
3. Nicky Hopkins
4. Big Brother & The Holding Company
5. The Silver Bullett Band

Early influence
The Carter Family
Big Mama Tornton

Non performers
Colonel Parker
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Denis Q. on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 21:09pm

Sidemen was replaced with Award for Musical Excellence a long time ago.

Posted by anonymous on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 21:58pm

I would like add Patsy Cline & Carole King.

Posted by Denis Q. on Saturday, 10/10/2020 @ 07:33am

Nick Bambach made his predictions for the 2021 Rock Hall ballot today and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Big Star
Dave Matthews Band
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
Motorhead
Harry Nilsson
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Gil Scott-Heron
Tina Turner

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 10/10/2020 @ 11:05am

FINAL PREDICTIONS

PERFORMERS
Joe Cocker
The Dave Matthews Band
Motley Crue
Pat Benatar
Backstreet Boys
The Sugarhill Gang
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
The Smiths
Procol Harum
Jane's Addiction
The Marvelettes
Boston
Soundgarden
Jethro Tull
Stone Temple Pilots
REO Speedwagon

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Weird Al Yankovic

EARLY INFLUENCE
Tommy Johnson

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 10/10/2020 @ 13:02pm

Posted by richie on Saturday, 10/10/2020 @ 15:25pm

The B-52's
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Foo Fighters
Kool & The Gang
Motorhead
Rage Against The Machine

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 10/10/2020 @ 16:04pm

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 more women, which the Rock Hall has been Severely criticized for. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes.
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Annn & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them.
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared.
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of Rufus with Chaka Khan? If nominated; Will get in.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated?
09. Tina Turner (solo) - should be in for her solo work; if nominated will get in.
10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, plus add more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I've seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career.
21. Jay- Z-

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/10/2020 @ 17:30pm

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 more women, which the Rock Hall has been Severely criticized for. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes.
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them.
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared.
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of Rufus with Chaka Khan? If nominated; Will get in.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated?
09. Tina Turner (solo) - should be in for her solo work; if nominated will get in.
10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, plus add more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I've seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Carole King (as a solo artist)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/10/2020 @ 17:34pm

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 more women, which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.
08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? Induct them already.
09. Tina Turner (solo) - should be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.
———————————————————————————————————-———————
10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I've seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Weezer

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/10/2020 @ 18:16pm

Alright, I'll make official predictions this year. Let's see how wrong I am.

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Rage Against The Machine
Jethro Tull
Iron Maiden
Kool And The Gang
Kraftwerk
The Smiths
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
Eurythmics
Soundgarden
MC5
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Bad Company
Weezer

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10/10/2020 @ 18:30pm

Going more in depth with my predictions
The nominees
Soundgarden- Legal troubles probably plague the band for now, but I see them getting in the third try
Kraftwerk-Lol at this point they are filler, unless Depeche Mode and NIN really push them to the edge
Chaka Khan/Rufus-Also filler
New York Dolls-Fits the T-Rex bill and can be seen as underdogs of the nominees
Bad Company-The fan vote winner and fits the shoe as the Classic Rock inductee, so don't be surprised
The Go-Gos- As The Dude stated, Adzroff gets his acts in whether we like it or not. The documentary should fuel their chances, but they may have to compete with B-52s and Pat Benatar as the female 80s act (we can't have all three)
Pat and Neil-Screaming for Vengeance yada yada next!
Jay-Z-People are always unenthusiastic when a huge act is eligible (Green Day and 2Pac), but Jay-Z is undeniable and deserves to be MVP and FYE of the class
Foo Fighters-May seem unlikely the more I think about it, but Dave Grohl's presence and the relevance of his band are too hard to ignore
Duran Duran-The new wave pick of the year and have mainstream presence unlike other options. Enig will finally be in joy and we will get on with lives.
RATM-Relevant to the max and three times the charm no?
John Prine-The sympathy vote, but not enough to get him in unfortunately
Toots and the Maytals-The lone 60s act
and reggae tends to have better reception than funk
DMB-Probably nominated again, though I doubt they will compete with the crazy boomers and Bad Company
for no.1
Motörhead-The heavy metal pick and hopefully gets Judas Priest a year to recover
That is all :)

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 12:38pm

Forgot B-52s, they may have a chance, but have to compete with Benatar and the Go-Gos too

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 12:40pm

So when are they being announced?

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 16:14pm

Garrus,

An insider that was interviewed on the last Who Cares About The Rock Hall podcast mentioned that the nominating committee wasn't even planning to meet before the end of the year, given the schedule change for next year. I'm expecting nominations to come out in late January or early February.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 16:46pm

Greg F., Plebian and RG,

Nick Bambach made his predictions for the 2021 ballot yesterday and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Big Star
Dave Matthews Band
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
Motorhead
Harry Nilsson
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Gil Scott-Heron
Tina Turner

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 17:17pm

Since the committee is meeting in February, does that mean they can nominate Slipknot? They'll be eligible in January.

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 20:50pm

I think the idea is that even though they're meeting in early 2021, they would still only be considering artists eligible in 2020 or earlier. So Slipknot would be eligible next year. That said, I would be incredibly surprised if Slipknot managed to make it onto the ballot in their first year.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 20:57pm

So we're going into an at least 26 years now?

I was only using Slipknot as an example.

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 21:40pm

Technically yes, but one could argue that it was always 26 years, as the ceremony has always been the year after the 25 year eligibility mark. It's just shifted so that it all takes place in the next calendar year now.

I also could be entirely wrong, and an artist from 1996 could show up on the ballot and surprise us. I think we put more thought into these things here than the actual committee does.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 22:00pm

I see you understood that I actually meant 24 years.

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 10/12/2020 @ 02:49am

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is a step in the right direction. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 more women, which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.
08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? Induct them already.
09. Tina Turner (solo) - should be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.
———————————————————————————————————-———————
10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Queen Latifah
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Shania Twain
Dolly Parton
Garth Brooks
Weezer

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10/12/2020 @ 03:09am

I wish the Hall would release preliminary ballots like the sports halls do, then show the progress including the voting results.

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 10/12/2020 @ 16:48pm

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.
08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already. So that we can clear the space for Tangerine Dream.
09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.
———————————————————————————————————-———————
10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Queen Latifah
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Shania Twain
Dolly Parton
Garth Brooks
Weezer
Phish

Personally, I happen to like the first nine artists on my list most and think that they would make a great Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction class for 2021.

By the way, Philip, have you considered starting your own podcast?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 10/13/2020 @ 09:39am

I have been checking the lists of nominee predictions from everyone who has posted their choices, and they aren't that different from mine with the exception of some surprises I like to throw in. I think that everyone has posted terrific predictions with a lot of specific reasons, so I'll at least make my Official prediction list for 2021 here. I just discovered this Forum for 2021 was open. No, My last list was not final Here are my predictions of Nominees for 2021:

Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
The Guess Who
Iron Maiden
Tommy James & the Shondells
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Dave Matthews Band
Megadeth
Motley Crue
Motorhead
John Prine
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
Tina Turner

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/15/2020 @ 05:06am

You guys think that the Rock Hall is aware of this website? I wonder if they take our advice with a grain of salt or genuine listen to us....I know this site is not affiliated with the Rock Hall, but still.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 10/15/2020 @ 18:28pm

I remember listening to one episode of Hall Watchers with Troy as a guest. He said they are aware of this site, but always ignores it while pretending to be unaware.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 10/15/2020 @ 18:33pm

Are there any A-Tier or S-Tier acts that aren't in the Rock Hall (S-Tier basically means all-time greats or above and beyond whatever you think)? All I can think of is

S-Tier
Kraftwerk

A-Tier
Smashing Pumpkins
Pixies
The Smiths

Jay-Z and Eminem do not count

We seem to always go for C-tier and D-tier acts when we predict...

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 10/15/2020 @ 20:42pm

Forgot Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 10/15/2020 @ 20:43pm

My predictions:

Kraftwerk
Big Star
Eurythmics
Pixies
The B-52s
Motörhead
Thin Lizzy
Willie Nelson
Kool & the Gang
Jay-Z
Outkast
Kate Bush
The Marvelettes
Chaka Khan
New York Dolls
Judy Collins

Posted by MichaelEU on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 01:38am

If the Rock Hal knows about this website, they should give the founder a ballot.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 02:06am

Will N.,

I am a rock Fan and many others are too like you. Us Rock know such acts as Bad Company, Pat Benatar, the Guess Who, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest and B52s among others predicted. As far as other genres I think you may have Personally listened to the Commodores, Rufus featuring C Khan and Willie Nelson. But How about Jay-Z? Have you actually heard any Jay-Z. I'm like you I was listening to a lot of Alternative Rock and Jam bands, So I didn't hear much Rap. I recently downloaded a Biggie song. It's called Juicy. I had heard it vaguely back then despite All the Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Candlebox, Phish etc I was hearing. Jay-Z is certainly deserved. We agree that he is at the top of the Hip Hop world and music industry. But I was curious if you actually ever heard any tunes of his. If Not in the 1990s Perhaps in Current times. One thing about this Pandemic is there has been time to doodle with other genres. I'm sure others will respond. But I want to hear from you on Jay-Z on this thread. Hey and let me know what you like from Willie Nelson. I own a gr hits from Willie. But get back to me on Jay-Z for sure. This post is aimed at you.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 05:31am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 07:21am

Founder,

Yes, I think that the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame knows about this site. Both, the "Hall Watchers"podcast with Mary and Eric of E-Rockracy and the "Who Cares About The Rock Hall" podcast with Joe K. and Kristen Studard constantly mention this page each week. Also, if you look at my list of favorite prog artists and whether or not the respective artists are in.

01. Rush ((in, inducted in 2013, "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and Moody Blues) member))
01. Yes ((in, inducted in 2017 by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, holy trinity of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) member)).
02. The Moody Blues ((in, inducted in 2018 by Ann Wilson of Heart, "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) member)). )
03. King Crimson
04. Duran Duran
05. Jethro Tull
06. Pink Floyd (In, inducted in 1996 by Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins).
07. Talking Heads (In, inducted in 2002 by Anthony Kiedis of Red Hot Chili Peppers).
08. Gentle Giant
09. Kansas
10. Emerson Lake & Palmer
11. Genesis (in, inducted by Trey Anastasio of Phish in 2010).
12. Electric Light Orchestra (in, inducted by Dhani Harrison in 2017).
13. Peter Gabriel (In, inducted by Chris Martin of Coldplay in 2014).
14. Procol Harum
15. Jefferson Airplane (In, inducted in 1996)
16. Supertramp
17. Renaissance
18. Styx
19. Alan Parsons Project
20. Asia

Could that have stemmed from these early postings?

Looking back to my first posting on this site, over 8 years ago.

My list of 2013 inductees:

Donna Summer (posthumously)
Heart (two sisters who had dominated a band, whose great singles are still being played on the radio)
Rush (their long term snub is starting to reach critical mass, even Rolling Stone magazine readers are in favor of this. Rush was voted greatest prog rock of all time by their readers). They are ranked third in most consecutive gold and platinum albums behind The Beatles and The Rolling Stones.
Yes (IMHO, if you induct Rush, then you absolutely must induct Yes), but probably not necessarily in 2013.
Yes was instrumental in starting prog rock, plus 90125 was a danceable hit album.

I think that The Moody Blues deserve a nod also, for inventing the "prog rock" genre, but inducting Rush and Supertramp should push the Moodies and Procol Harum, in within the next several years. Compared to the amount of time that they have waited, this will be relatively soon. Technically, Rush is not really heavy metal, and most of their songs are not that hard anyway.

Although one could argue for King Crimson as well,
"ITCOCK," "Red" and "Discipline" are bonafide masterpieces.
Supertramp sold millions of albums, especially "Crime Of The Century" and "Breakfast In America." therefore they are the most likely prog band to get in this year.
Monkees (Davy Jones will be inducted posthumously)

Posted by Keith on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 02:12am

Here is my second posting on this site and comments on whether or not the artist has been inducted, nominated or not:

Yes, I will admit that I am a progressive rock aficionado; I have been one since 1980, or did I become one when first introduced to "Hemispheres," in February, 1979.

My favorite bands presently are: Yes (in), Rush (in), Pink Floyd (in), Genesis (in), The Moody Blues (in) , Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, ELP, Jefferson Airplane (in), Fleetwood Mac (in), Procol Harum (nom), Alan Parsons Project, Supertramp, Kansas, Talking Heads (in) and Styx.

My favorite solo artists are: Peter Gabriel (in), Sting (nom) and Stevie Nicks (in).

I also really like Cars (in), Roxy Music (in), Duran Duran, Asia, Heart (in), Andreas Vollenweider and Yanni.

I can accept the nominations of Dick Dale, SRV (in) and others.

I am not an aficionado of "heavy metal," nor "rap."

Posted by Keith on Saturday, 06.16.12 @ 15:59pm

I think that the Rock Hall has been paying attention to this site for years.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 08:13am

Follower,

Yes, I think that the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame knows about this site. Both, the "Hall Watchers"podcast with Mary and Eric of E-Rockracy and the "Who Cares About The Rock Hall" podcast with Joe K. and Kristen Studard constantly mention this page each week. Also, if you look at my list of favorite prog artists and whether or not those respective artists are in.

You then need to ask yourself this question: Is it purely coincidental that my three favorite bands are inducted in my order of preference?

01. Rush ((in, inducted in 2013, "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and Moody Blues) member))
01. Yes ((in, inducted in 2017 by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, holy trinity of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) member)).
02. The Moody Blues ((in, inducted in 2018 by Ann Wilson of Heart, "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) member)). )
03. King Crimson
04. Duran Duran
05. Jethro Tull
06. Pink Floyd (In, inducted in 1996 by Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins).
07. Talking Heads (In, inducted in 2002 by Anthony Kiedis of Red Hot Chili Peppers).
08. Gentle Giant
09. Kansas
10. Emerson Lake & Palmer
11. Genesis (in, inducted by Trey Anastasio of Phish in 2010).
12. Electric Light Orchestra (in, inducted by Dhani Harrison in 2017).
13. Peter Gabriel (In, inducted by Chris Martin of Coldplay in 2014).
14. Procol Harum
15. Jefferson Airplane (In, inducted in 1996)
16. Supertramp
17. Renaissance
18. Styx
19. Alan Parsons Project
20. Asia

Could that have stemmed from these early postings?

Looking back to my first posting on this site, over 8 years ago.

My list of 2013 inductees:

Donna Summer (posthumously)
Heart (two sisters who had dominated a band, whose great singles are still being played on the radio)
Rush (their long term snub is starting to reach critical mass, even Rolling Stone magazine readers are in favor of this. Rush was voted greatest prog rock of all time by their readers). They are ranked third in most consecutive gold and platinum albums behind The Beatles and The Rolling Stones.
Yes (IMHO, if you induct Rush, then you absolutely must induct Yes), but probably not necessarily in 2013.
Yes was instrumental in starting prog rock, plus 90125 was a danceable hit album.

I think that The Moody Blues deserve a nod also, for inventing the "prog rock" genre, but inducting Rush and Supertramp should push the Moodies and Procol Harum, in within the next several years. Compared to the amount of time that they have waited, this will be relatively soon. Technically, Rush is not really heavy metal, and most of their songs are not that hard anyway.

Although one could argue for King Crimson as well,
"ITCOCK," "Red" and "Discipline" are bonafide masterpieces.
Supertramp sold millions of albums, especially "Crime Of The Century" and "Breakfast In America." therefore they are the most likely prog band to get in this year.
Monkees (Davy Jones will be inducted posthumously)

Posted by Keith on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 02:12am

Here is my second posting on this site and comments on whether or not the artist has been inducted, nominated or not:

Yes, I will admit that I am a progressive rock aficionado; I have been one since 1980, or did I become one when first introduced to "Hemispheres," in February, 1979.

My favorite bands presently are: Yes (in), Rush (in), Pink Floyd (in), Genesis (in), The Moody Blues (in) , Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, ELP, Jefferson Airplane (in), Fleetwood Mac (in), Procol Harum (nom), Alan Parsons Project, Supertramp, Kansas, Talking Heads (in) and Styx.

My favorite solo artists are: Peter Gabriel (in), Sting (nom) and Stevie Nicks (in).

I also really like Cars (in), Roxy Music (in), Duran Duran, Asia, Heart (in), Andreas Vollenweider and Yanni.

I can accept the nominations of Dick Dale, SRV (in) and others.

I am not an aficionado of "heavy metal," nor "rap."

Posted by Keith on Saturday, 06.16.12 @ 15:59pm

I honestly think that the Rock Hall has been paying attention to this site for years. Why wouldn't they?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 08:27am

I wish we'd get some notification when the board changes lol. I was wondering why it was so quiet for a week. I am reposting my final choices for the RRHOF nominees for 2021, with a couple edits only for grammar/sense:
K-Dawg's Final Predictions List (odd that the Hall still hasn't officially enshrined the class of 2020):

1. Bad Company-a band talked about for years of being omitted. Paul Rodgers. Need you say more?
2. Alice in Chains-My gut says that they will waffle between the 2 remaining Seattle grunge bands. Both are worthy.
3. Jay Z- FYE, and from a producing and performing standpoint, a proverbial giant in the industry
4. Kraftwerk-I hold to the hope the Hall will not shunt the Godfathers of Electronic and countless genres into Musical Influence
5. Pat Benatar-Her nom and snub last year did not sit well with rock purists. She will be a perennial nominee until she is in
6. The Smashing Pumpkins-Now that NIN has gone in, look for them to turn to another seminal 90s act who has a huge following, and maybe this can be the motivation to reunite the original cast
7. Tina Turner-while I am not a fan of multiple inductions mainly because it tends to take away a spot from a ridiculously large backlog, Tina's career is too big to ignore and she does deserve to be honored independent from Ike and their supposedly abusive relationship
8. Foreigner-the token 70s pop rock band of the year, but these guys are deserving of getting in.
9. Duran Duran-New wave has been getting its due in recent years, and it's time for DD to get its love. Lockstep in many eyes with Depeche Mode as the most deserving and now that Depeche is in, they also should give prog fans a little jolt
10. Motley Crue-Last year's shocking omission, the Crue will be the talk of much speculation
11. The Monkees-My perennial choice, because one year I hope they will give them the due they deserve. There aren't many 60s acts that are remaining that have been overlooked, and they are at the very top
12. Iron Maiden-As I've said before, I think they will alternate the metal heavyweights back and forth with Judas Priest, and either one really is deserving
13. The B52s-They've picked up a lot of steam in conversations, and they are an appealing band to a huge number of different groups
14. The Eurythmics-David A. Stewart and Annie Lennox are tailormade for an induction; their careers, both solo and in tandem, are the thing of legend
15. Mariah Carey-Part of me thinks the Hall might make her wait a year or two, but with Janet and Whitney going back to back, there's definitely a shot of Ms. Carey getting her due ahead of a couple other worthy female pop acts who predate her
16. The Commodores-My other shot in the dark, since the Spinners and Meters are ignored year after year (and I'm a huge Spinners proponent and have been for a decade), Lionel Richie may be an appealing choice for the Nom Com
17. Rage Against the Machine-Tom Morello's group will be back in the spotlight this year. If not for actual enshrinement, at least for political notoriety in an election year
18. Dave Mathews Band-They got ditched and broke the fan kiosk trend, so they'll be returning. Bet on it.
19. Todd Rundgren-3rd time is the charm for the talented songwriter, or will he take the vaunted ME cat?
20. Snoop Dogg-One year I'll get this right. He is overlooked, and while his influence on pop culture has extensively been beyond his music catalog, he does close the door on the West Coast juggernauts of rap until Eminem becomes eligible in a couple years

What do you think? Yes, I know I omitted Foo Fighters. That was not an accident

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 08:53am

I agree, Follower! Our Founder should have an official ballot.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 10:37am

Here's a challenge for you guys: since Rock and Roll is Chuck Berry, who is the most and least "Chuck Berry" in some of the modern classes?

Let's start with 2010.

2010:
Most Chuck Berry: The Stooges.
Least Chuck Berry: ABBA.

2011:
Most Chuck Berry: Alice Cooper
Least Chuck Berry: Darlene Love
(Admittedly I'm unfamiliar with Tom Waits' work)

2012:
Most Chuck Berry: the backing groups, but other wise, Small Faces/The Faces
Least Chuck Berry: Donovan

2013:
Most Chuck Berry: Heart or Albert King
Least Chuck Berry: Donna Summer

2014:
Most Chuck Berry: KISS
Least Chuck Berry: Probably Hall & Oats, but Peter Gabriel (especial his more prog work) comes close)

2015:
Most Chuck Berry: PBBB
Least Chuck Berry: Bill Withers

2016:
Most Chuck Berry: Steve Miller
Least Chuck Berry: Chicago

2017:
Most Chuck Berry: Pearl Jam
Least Chuck Berry: Joan Baez

2018:
Most Chuck Berry: Dire Straits
Least Chuck Berry: Nina Simone

2019:
Most Chuck Berry: The Zombies
Least Chuck Berry: Radiohead

2020:
Most Chuck Berry: T. Rex
Least Chuck Berry: Nine Inch Nails

What do you think?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 13:15pm

And since "Rock Hallers with X" is a thing, here's one for you: Rock Hallers who have been covered by Rockabye Baby, a Lullaby tribute group that makes songs from famous artists and turns them into lullabies:

Full Albums
1. Metallica
2. Radiohead
3. Pink Floyd
4. The Cure
5. The Beach Boys
6. Led Zeppelin
7. Nirvana
8. Eagles
9. U2
10. Ramones
11. Nine Inch Nails
12. Bob Marley
13. The Beatles
14. Green Day
15. The Rolling Stones
16. AC/DC
17. Queen
18. Aerosmith
19. Guns 'N' Roses
20. Journey
21. Peal Jam
22. Elvis Presley
23. Bon Jovi
24. Def Leppard
25. Madonna
26. The Police
27. Van Halen (Since this series is run by David Lee Roth's wife, this is a given.)
28. Depeche Mode
29. Black Sabbath
30. Red Hot Chilli Peppers
31. KISS
32. Prince
33. Rush
34. Elton John
35. The Clash
36. David Bowie
37. Bruce Springsteen
38. Fleetwood Mac
39. Grateful Dead
40. Creedence Clearwater Revival
41. The Doors
42. Johnny Cash
43. Beastie Boys
44. Tom Petty

One song, usually on a themed album:
45. James Brown
46. The Kinks
47. Stevie Wonder
48. Van Morrison
49. Bob Seger
50. Michael Jackson
51. The Temptations
52. Janet Jackson

Both Jay-Z and Foo Fighters have been done too.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 13:39pm

My Hall Watchers of X are those that have been Oscar-nominated (Documentaries don't count)
*=indicates they won

Pete Townshend
Stevie Wonder*
Bob Seger
Sting
U2 (All of them)
Elvis Costello
Phil Collins*
Peter Gabriel
Trent Reznor*
Atticus Ross*
Tom Waits
Gerry Goffin
Bob Dylan*
The Beatles (All of them)*
Isaac Hayes*
Diana Ross
Janet Jackson
Jonny Greenwood
Jon Bon Jovi
Peter Cetera
Bruce Springsteen *
Randy Newman**
Quincy Jones
George Martin
Prince*
David Byrne*
Paul Simon
Neil Young
Elton John**
Dozier-Holland-Dozier
Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 16:42pm

Hey Ben,
Thank you for he response and the inquiry. I checked out your 2021 Nomination predictions and I am presuming from your post that you had seen mine and were reacting to the choices, as you commented on some of them.
For starters, you mentioned Willie Nelson, who I will be pitching for going forward, and I am just getting tired of him being ignored. As far as his music goes, I have not heard his entire catalogue, of course, which is massive, but everything I have heard from him is either enjoyable or presents his excellent craftsmanship in songwriting and musical skills. So yes, he is overdue for a nomination, and stands a good chance for induction.
On Jay-Z, I am sure I have heard a few cuts by him, and maybe I could recognize them, but I do not own any tunes or Cd's from Jay-Z. I would probably be a little more familiar with some old school Rap.. LL Cool J, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Tone- Loc, Young MC, NWA, Public Enemy, some Tupac(he was great).. stuff like that. But it was never my go to music of choice. I think Eminem is very talented, and for newer stuff, Drake is pretty good. Not really a fan of Kanye, and as far as Jay-Z, I'm sure I would probably like some of his tunes, I just never really got exposed to very much of his music. So you could say I was barely scratching the surface when it comes to Rap/ Hip hop, but you know there was always tons of great music to listen to and check out in other genres, whether it be Rock, Alternative, Prog, Punk, Jazz Fusion or what have you. You're really never at a loss for discovering new and great music if it may be something relatively new or jams and LP's you may have bypassed in the past.. OK Ben, get back to you later..

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 16:49pm

Will N.,

We are Very similar in our music. Nothing like goood Jam of Doors, Zep , Traffic,Allman Brothers Band, or some. Humble Pie, etc etc. Or there is Blondie, Squeeze,Talking Heads, The Cars, Pat Benatar etc etc. And of course theses 90s bands like Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Phish and many others of Alternative and Jam band rock.
Now with Rap I got some Old School like Run DMC., Young MC and Public Enemy. Just downloaded a BIG song . The only one I know, Juicy. Like you I'm not that big on Rap much.
I haven't grasped JAY-Z at all. I was curious. I thought I'd ask another Rock guy. Rock, Alternative and Jazz Fusion is my thing. And some Old R&B. There is always Great music that jams. Ok Will N Rock on. Talk to ya.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 18:00pm

Will N.,

As far as Jay Z goes, I can give you a little sampling of his stuff. His best song to me is his rendition of "Hard Knocks Life" from 1999. He does have a few songs where he goes nuts with the N word as an actual title, and they're fine, albeit polarizing. I also like his 2001 or so efforts, "Big Pimpin", "99 Problems" and "I'm a Hustler Baby". If you want something more tame, check out his "Bonnie and Clyde 03" song he recorded with his then-fiance Beyonce. She will be in the conversation for the Hall in a couple years herself, but it's really a good collaboration on both their parts. Hope this gives you an idea of his catalog...

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 19:47pm

Ben & Will,

I'll second all of K-Dawg's recs and add "Izzo (H.O.V.A.)" (another hit from his peak era), and a few collaborations - "Empire State of Mind" w/ Alicia Keys (his biggest hit if you're going by chart success), "Brooklyn's Finest" w/ (recent inductee) The Notorious B.I.G., & "Crazy In Love", also with Beyonce.

If you want to listen to just one, "99 Problems" is sort of considered his signature song, but "Hard Knock Life (Ghetto Anthem)" is also a great choice.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 21:34pm

Here's a "Inductees Who X" list for ya.

Inductees who have been musical guests on Saturday Night Live:
Organized by induction year (Season of SNL in parentheses)
-
Solo members of inducted bands that have not been inducted as a solo artist included under a space

1986
Chuck Berry (2)
Ray Charles (3)
James Brown (6)

1987
Aretha Franklin (6, 19)
Roy Orbison (12)

1988
Bob Dylan (5)
-
Brian Wilson [The Beach Boys] (2)

1989
The Rolling Stones (4)
Stevie Wonder (8)
-
Mick Jagger [The Rolling Stones] (4, 18, 27, 37)
Keith Richards [The Rolling Stones] (14)

1990
The Kinks (2, 7, 10)

1991
-
Tina Turner [Ike & Tina Turner] (10, 22)

1992
Sam & Dave (5)
-
Jimmy Page [The Yardbirds] (23)

1993
Van Morrison (4)

1994
The Band (2)
Grateful Dead (4, 5)
Rod Stewart (7)
Elton John (7, 36)
Rod Stewart (20)
-
Alan Price [The Animals] (2)
Rick Danko [The Band] (4)
Robbie Robertson [The Band] (13, 17)

1995
Frank Zappa (2, 4)
The Allman Brothers Band (7)
Al Green (11)
Neil Young (15, 18, 25, 31)
-
Martha Reeves [Martha & The Vandellas] (1)
Jimmy Page [Led Zeppelin] (23)

1996
David Bowie (5, 22, 25)
-
David Gilmour [Pink Floyd] (13)

1997
Parliament-Funkadelic (11)
-
Bootsy Collins [Parliament-Funkadelic] (29)

1998
Santana (2, 10)
-
Lindsey Buckingham [Fleetwood Mac] (7)
Mick Fleetwood [Fleetwood Mac] (9)
Don Henley [Eagles] (15, 26)

1999
Billy Joel (3, 7, 15, 19)
Paul McCartney (5, 18, 36, 38)
Bruce Springsteen (17, 28, 41)

2000
Simon & Garfunkel (1)
James Taylor (2, 4, 5, 13, 17, 19)
Bonnie Raitt (3, 15, 17, 20)
Eric Clapton (15, 20)
-
John Sebastian [The Lovin' Spoonful] (1)

2001
Paul Simon (1, 2, 3, 5, 11, 12, 16, 18, 26, 31, 36, 44)
Queen (8)
Aeromsith (15, 19, 22, 26)

2002
Talking Heads (4)
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers (5, 8, 14, 17, 20, 22, 24, 35)
-
David Byrne [Talking Heads] (15, 45)

2003
Elvis Costello (3, 14, 16)
The Clash (8)
AC/DC (25)
-
Sting [The Police] (13, 18, 21, 25)

2004
George Harrison (2)
Jackson Browne (3)
Prince (6, 31, 40)

2005
The Pretenders (12, 19)
Percy Sledge (12)
U2 (26, 30, 35, 43)

2006
Blondie (5)
Miles Davis (7)
-
Debbie Harry [Blondie] (6, 12)

2007
Patti Smith (1)
R.E.M. (16, 20, 25)

2008
John Cougar Mellencamp (7, 9, 14)
Madonna (18)

2009
Run-DMC (12)
Metallica (23)
Jeff Beck (37)

2010
ABBA (1)
Jimmy Cliff (1, 6)

2011
Dr. John (2)
Tom Waits (2)
-
Leon Russell (1)

2012
Red Hot Chili Peppers (17, 31)
Beastie Boys (20, 24)

2013
Randy Newman (1, 3, 5, 8, 12, 14)
Public Enemy (17)

2014
Linda Ronstadt (4, 6, 13, 15)
Hall & Oates (7)
Nirvana (17, 19)
Peter Gabriel (18)

2015
Bill Withers (1)
Stevie Ray Vaughan (11)
Lou Reed (12)
Green Day (20, 30, 34)
-
Paul Butterfield [The Paul Butterfield Blues Band] (4)

2016
Chicago (5)
Cheap Trick (6)
-
Dr. Dre [NWA] (22, 25)

2017
Pearl Jam (17, 19, 31, 35)
2Pac (21)

2018
The Cars (9, 13)
Bon Jovi (18, 20, 26, 35)
-
Ric Ocasek [The Cars] (12)
Mark Knopfler [Dire Straits] (14)

2019
Stevie Nicks (9)
Janet Jackson (19, 29)
The Cure (21)
Radiohead (26, 37)
-
Bryan Ferry [Roxy Music] (13)

2020
The Doobie Brothers (4)
Whitney Houston (16, 22)
-
Michael McDonald [The Doobie Brothers] (8)

Posted by RG on Saturday, 10/17/2020 @ 21:47pm

Lorne Michaels must really like Paul Simon.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 10/18/2020 @ 02:52am

Thanks K-Dawg and RG,
I have heard a few of those cuts on occasion, and I do recall the Bonnie and Clyde was pretty cool. I will check out the one's you guys mention in the near future. I appreciate it.
Ben, thanks for the response.. Will talk to you soon.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 10/18/2020 @ 09:06am

K-Dawg,

That's an awesome response for Rock guys like me and Will N. Some of us Rock fans are less informed are Rap/Hip Hop. I actually know Hard Knock Life and Empire State of Mind. I will check out the others suggested for Jay-Z. Thanks to RG too.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/18/2020 @ 20:28pm

Anyone heard from Tim Pernell in awhile? I miss his input. Some people just vanish from here without any explanation and you wonder what happened to them...

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 10/18/2020 @ 23:48pm

I wish there was more things to do on this website.....

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 10/19/2020 @ 01:48am

Will N.,
I just want to cover Willie Nelson briefly. As far as his music goes, I have not heard his entire catalogue either, at all, which is massive, but everything I have heard from him is either enjoyable or presents his talent. I own a greatest hits. Railroad Lady, Heartaches of a Fool, Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain and Uncloudy Day are some fine tunes of his. I just started using Spotify a lot last week. Ive used Itunes for many years. On Spotify you can check out whole albums for free. You and me would do well to do that. Willie Nelson is somebody to check out on Spotify. I've had a Spotify account for a few years but I never used it. until now.
Also, I am on board with you on the Guess Who. They were a key band in their time. They had a huge hit with American Woman in 1970. Hey, I;ve known that tune about 50 years. I heard it a lot on AM Radio during the 70s. Other great tunes of theirs are No Sugar Tonight, Hand Me Down World and Bus Rider. Ahh Bus Rider. What a tune. I never heard it on the radio that I recall. But it's on Best of the Guess Who that I own. They have a legacy of hits. Oh yes I remember Clap of the Wolfman in the midst of the 70s. I hope they are nominated this time.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/19/2020 @ 04:02am

The Guess Who are a great band. I could say more, but it's pretty well summed up...

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 10/19/2020 @ 10:05am

A class that would be great:

Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Canned Heat
Joe Cocker
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Johnny Winter
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
Procol Harum
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
Dick Dale and His Del Tones

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
The Steve Miller Band

This finishes up Woodstock and Monterey while also finally adding Brenston (first rock song) and Dale (king of surf).

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 10/20/2020 @ 03:04am

Anyone else want to do a "Most Chuck Berry/Least Chuck Berry" thing like I did earlier for other classes?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 10/20/2020 @ 13:23pm

I wonder when The Dude will post his latest of the top selling bands not in the Hall.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 10/21/2020 @ 19:34pm

Our Twitter people are annoying....

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 10/21/2020 @ 20:59pm

I hate Twitter...it's for Twits. No offense...lol

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 10/22/2020 @ 00:33am

King,Will N.,K-Dawg, the Dude and others,

I want to change my List of predictions slightly. When I gave a Final list last month some of us weren't thinking of how the Predictions forum hadn't even been started. I think a new Informal deadline of Nov 1 should be In place instead of the usual Oct. 1. There is at couple flaws in my list. I counted 11 New entries for my 2021 list. This just won't happen. 8 or 9 New entries is Very possible but NOT 11. Also Iron Maiden and Judas Priest are improbable at the same time. I would then pick Judas Priest. They have already been nominated and there is growing excitement over another Nomination. I will Review my list there must be some other new entry I can Remove .

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/22/2020 @ 05:03am

@ Follower

I will post an updated list soon when it becomes more significant to me. There are some bands I'm expecting to get more certifications from the RIAA. As an example, ever since Mötley Crue's the Dirt came out, the band are now at the point they need some certification updates. Dr. Feelgood should be closer to ten million copies sold here.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 10/22/2020 @ 10:31am

I posted my picks on twitter, but to recap, I have:

1. Jay-Z
2. Foo Fighters
3. Dave Matthews Band
4. Tina Turner
5. Soundgarden
6. New York Dolls
7. Sonic Youth
8. The Go-Gos
9. Rufus, feat. Chaka Khan
10. Jethro Tull
11. Kraftwerk
12. The B-52s
13. Duran Duran
14. Judas Priest
15. Kool & the Gang
16. Mary J. Blige

If I had to guess the class to come from that, I'd say: Duran Duran, Jay-Z, Tina Turner, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, with Foo Fighters, Go-Gos, B-52s, and Kool vying for a possible sixth or seventh spot.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Thursday, 10/22/2020 @ 12:11pm

So I decided to take a trip down memory lane and read one of my old favorites, Donnie's blog about the Classic Rock Dilemma. Let me state this excerpt:

"The Hall has made an extreme headway in covering classic rock from the 1960's and 1970's, and they're pretty much at the point where in my view there's really no one left that are borderline upper second tier classic rock acts left. The only ones that fall in that category to me are the Monkees, Jethro Tull, Bad Company, King Crimson, and maybe Boston, the Guess Who, and Rainbow (mainly just to get Ronnie James Dio in the HOF who should've been inducted with Black Sabbath in my view)."

Of course, the article was written years ago so I removed acts that have already been inducted, but here's what I have to ask:

Do any of any of you agree with the idea that those are the only 70's Classic Rock acts left to induct, or do you think some other acts qualify as "Borderline Upper Second Tier"?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 10/22/2020 @ 19:15pm

I mean...he's not wrong.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 10/22/2020 @ 22:28pm

I'd add Foreigner to that list. I think they're on the same level as Boston, and they do have enough diversity and star power to justify being in the Hall. "Cold As Ice", "Hot Blooded", "Double Vision" to "Urgent", "Juke Box Hero", "Waiting For a Girl Like You" to "I Wanna Know What Love Is"? Their songs are played to death on terrestrial radio, but their career mirrors Journey, and they got in first time they were nommed.

Hate Lou Gramm and crew for being pop rock all they want, they are as worthy as at least 2 or 3 bands already in...

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 10/23/2020 @ 00:38am

To answer the question, though...yes, as far as the classic rock bands, that is pretty much my wish list. There are a couple others, like Procol Harum and Supertramp, who probably are in that vein too (I know I just ranted for Foreigner); Kraftwerk is not classic rock per se, and the Hall's biggest omission from the 70s is its embarrassingly scant R and B representation (The Spinners, the Meters, Commodores, Ohio Players...come the hell on RRHOF!)

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 10/23/2020 @ 00:41am

It's wrong to close the door on any genre or time period, in my opinion, but "Classic Rock" in particular is a tough one as it's really a giant umbrella genre encompassing numerous different subgenres over at least three different decades. I see names listed like Bad Company, etc. and don't see how they're any different from non-listed names like Sweet, Slade, Mott the Hoople, Grand Funk Railroad, Styx, ELP, etc. that have had either more or at least a similar amount of influence on rock bands that followed. And as time goes on, music sometimes get re-evaluated. The Sonics went from nobodies to a highly respected band that makes an excellent case as the very first punk rock band.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 10/23/2020 @ 00:51am

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.
08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already. So that we can clear the space for Tangerine Dream.
09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.
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10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Queen Latifah
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Shania Twain
Dolly Parton
Garth Brooks
Weezer
Phish
Kansas
Styx

Personally, I happen to like the first nine artists on my list most and think that they would make a great Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction class for 2021.

By the way, Philip, have you considered starting your own podcast?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10/23/2020 @ 05:51am

@ Follower

Donnie ain't wrong. If you induct the Monkees, Boston, Foreignor, Mötley Crue, and Bad Company (which is where they belong) four to five years from now, you'll be on a shortage of major classic rock radio bands from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. You be at the point you have induct mid and niche-level bands from those decades with maybe a wild card or two. Another thing I wanna point out is the 90's are now considered as classic rock, and the 2000's are coming up for the radio format soon.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 10/23/2020 @ 08:31am

Nobody seems to mind. This is my Revised list of predictions for 2021 Nominees.
Final list of predictions for 2021 Nominees:
The B-52s
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
The Guess Who
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Dave Matthews Band
Megadeth
Motörhead
Mott the Hoople
John Prine
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khsn
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
Tina Turner

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/24/2020 @ 05:24am

My final prediction on the nominees for the next class:

Boston
Jay-Z
Mariah Carey
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Foo Fighters
Willie Nelson
The Buzzcocks
Mott the Hopple/Ian Hunter
Thin Lizzy
The Smiths
Duran Duran
Dionne Warwick
Kraftwerk
Soundgarden
Rage Against The Machine

The Winners:

Jay-Z
Boston
Foo Fighters
Pat Benatar
Dionne Warwick
Thin Lizzy
The Smiths

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 10/24/2020 @ 10:04am

Hey Dude,

That's an awesome list. We have lots in common. We when think alike with Motley Crue. I predicted them a year ago. When they failed to be Nominated I guess it made us rethink about them. The Hall don't seem to care less about the movie. And Soo I left them off my list for 2021. As far as Heavy Metal/ Hard Rock we both chose J Priest and Thin Lizzy. I also chose Megadeth and Motörhead.
I also think Pat Benatar Will Return and Mott the Hoople will get a shot

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/24/2020 @ 11:41am

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.
08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already. So that we can clear the space for Tangerine Dream.
09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.
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10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Queen Latifah
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Shania Twain
Dolly Parton
Garth Brooks
Weezer
Phish
Kansas
Styx

Personally, I happen to like the first nine artists on my list the most and think that they would make a great Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction class for 2021.

By the way, Philip, have you considered starting your own podcast?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/24/2020 @ 17:39pm

I will do an explanation of each act I predict for 2021. I tried to be Diverse and go beyond my usual Music tastes. Such is the case with Kraftwerk.I know very little about them. My reading indicates they should be on a prediction list. But if that's the case people like Poco should be too. There has been very little mention of Poco. And as mentioned Grand Funk Railroad too.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/25/2020 @ 05:50am

My Predicted Nominees
Pat Benatar
The GoGo's
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
MC5
Smashing Pumpkins
Dave Matthews Band
Jay Z
The Smiths
The B-52s
Bjork
Eurythmics
Kate Bush
Bad Brains
Judas Priest

I realize I prob have too many new wave/electronic/alternative acts than will actually get nominated. Wishful thinking I guess
Wouldn't mind seeing these long shots get nominated;
Garbage, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Diana Ross, Sonic Youth, Kool and the Gang, XTC, Oingo Boingo, Echo and the Bunnymen, X Ray Spex, The Slits, Suzi Quatro, Dead Boys, and Hole

Posted by Michael Mendes on Sunday, 10/25/2020 @ 10:29am

Here's my predictions for the upcoming class.

Performers:
Kraftwerk
Foo Fighters
Jay - Z
Joy Division
Judas Priest
Tina Turner
Diana Ross

Performers/Presenters:
Gary Numan presenting Kraftwerk
Paul McCartney or Rick Astley presenting Foo Fighters
Frank Ocean & DJ Khaled presenting Jay - Z
The Edge of U2 & Ed O'Brien of Radiohead presenting Joy Division
Dave Mustaine of Megadeth presenting Judas Priest
Oprah Winfrey presenting Tina Turner
Questlove presenting Diana Ross

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Monday, 10/26/2020 @ 00:24am

I think that, with all of the social justice protests that happened this summer, and the fact that the Hall of Fame has a comparatively poor record of inducting artists of color (just look at the difficulty significant African American artists like Chic, LL Cool J, and others getting in, despite numerous nominations), the 2021 class nominations will include more racially diverse artists. So, I think War and Los Lobos will be repeat nominees, and perhaps a first time nomination for Jay-Z, Fela Kuti, Kurtis Blow and/or Sugarhill Gang, as well as Tina Turner and/or Diana Ross for their solo work. I especially think that this is the year that Gil Scott-Heron ("This Revolution Will Not Be Televised") will finally be recognized and inducted, even though he has not been nominated before.

Posted by Kenmil on Monday, 10/26/2020 @ 16:01pm

Social justice is such a drag.....

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 10/26/2020 @ 16:58pm

Spoken like a true white guy that has never experienced systemic prejudice based on their race or gender, Plebian.

And yeah, I think a lot of predictions, my own included, assume that the process is going to be more or less "business as usual", as far as the composition of the nominee class. John Sykes has spoken on how the Hall needs to drastically evolve to be more inclusive towards women and people of color. A big variable going forward is to what extent that will translate into the nominations. It could be anything from an empty promise, with a class similar to the last few years, to an actual change, meaning that the composition of the nominees could be very different than what we are used to seeing.

Posted by RG on Monday, 10/26/2020 @ 19:14pm

I'm just tired of it all. I'm actually Asian, but if my comment was condescending, I apologize.
I just want joy in this forums now and then. I understand prejudice and totally on your word.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 10/26/2020 @ 22:26pm

Most of the early first couple classes inducted happened to be largely African American. While the women weren't and aren't equally represented with how they've contributed to music, at least there was that to start. It also does show the early influences of rock and roll came from the culture of jazz, bluegrass and other genres steeped in the black culture of the 20s to the 50s; somewhere along the way, the focus slightly shifted towards the more guitar oriented rock. It is kind of confusing to me why there are so few r and b or funk groups in after the 1960s. Those headbanging lovable or hatable rock purists seem to think everyone except Jimi that goes in should be a hard rock band with vanilla melanin on their epidermis with a male reproductive part, but they, as indicated, are tools.

My point is, that it shouldn't matter what the ethnicity or gender is of someone who gets in the Hall, and while it's a focus of the general public more than ever, it IS a concern because of the criminally underrepresentation of genres and styles in favor of pleasing the public (with mainly a rock flavor) or the critical but opinionated committee for its choices that may seem confusing to the general public but at the same time get blasted by fans (Laura Nyro or Darlene Love are not names that probably 90 percent of casual music fans could name off the top of their heads).

It's a slippery slope, and there's no real right way to approach it without unraveling the history of the committee and the hall itself. The best thing to do would be like baseball has done a few times; nom a bigger class, with a larger representation of the forgotten genres in an effort to both ease the backlog and the criticism of an organization whose heart largely tries to be in the right place, but has the unenviable task of trying to please too many types of fans...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 01:13am

K-Dawg,

I don't hate on the Hall as much as everyone on the website, yet I agree. The Hall really (at times) tries to please everyone. Yet, even when they do get it right, they still get blasted. Your Baseball example was perfect and I could have not said it better. So many genres need representation, but unfortunately even if the Hall starts doing that, will it be enough? I want to love this Rock Hall, it is a showcase the 20th century and beyonds musical impact. But, there is no way it will be enough to salvage the criticisms. I feel hopeless, you know?

RG,

I hope my terrible statement did not scare you. I really am sorry, I should have gone on what I mean. This political climate just wrecks me. I understand prejudice, but when it's 24/7 in your face all the time, I cannot stand it. Please, understand.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 01:40am

Bigger induction classes are the solution to just about every problem the Rock Hall has.

Not enough acts from a specific genre? Not enough female performers? Same names keep getting nominated year after year and not getting in? Giant backlog? Induct bigger classes and a lot of these problems go away. Or hey, why not incorporate those separate side categories at their disposal more often? The only argument against bigger induction classes is that it ruins the "sanctity" or "specialness" of the induction, but that's BS. Once you've opened the doors to all the different subgenres that they (rightfully) have, you need to widen your focus.

This still wouldn't fix their inducted members problem (John Gustafson? Dave Abbruzzese? The Silver Bullet Band? The Wailers? Most of ELO? etc. etc.) and not all of the worthy acts would get in immediately, but it'd be a huge help overall.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 02:14am

Great feedback from both of you. I do want to address Steve Z's last point as an aside. I have long been critical of the Hall's decision on artists inducted solo whose bands were instrumental in their success. Steve Miller is at the very top of this list, and I'm sure even if he didn't mention it, much of his displeasure was at the exclusion of the word that solidified his stellar 50 year career... "Band". Bob Marley, Bob Seger, and Paul McCartney, who are the notable ones off the top of my head, along with Prince, are neutered from their full potential of greatness because the people who made their performances and albums immortal are not alongside the face of the franchise, so to speak. I also wouldn't mind seeing the producers or engineers these guys relied on getting a tiny bit of love too. If I'm not mistaken, and if I am I apologize, but Mutt Lange has never been mentioned anywhere that I've seen. Anyway, that is a different kettle of fish that I know the Hall stuck a toe in back in I believe 2012, with some classic 50s backing bands getting a nod, but they went right back to form and failed again.

If George Thorogood ever gets a nomination, and I am a big fan of his, do they leave out the Destroyers? If that happens, there's a whole new debate waiting to happen...great points again, guys

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 02:26am

@ Plebian and RG

Why not make it more apolitical with the nominees? You don't want the Hall to go woke nor it should be one dimensional. They should also unapologetically induct some acts from all political spectrums without caring about their viewpoints and more about music in general. You're very likely to get away if Varg Vikernes and Rage Against The Machine were on the same class in the future than trying to appeal a certain political crowd.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 07:38am

Oh yeah, the Steve Miller thing was preposterous, especially since every album sans ONE was credited to the "Steve Miller Band." It'd be like inducting KC without the Sunshine Band. I think with bands that don't have clear "classic lineups" the hall will just go the lazy route and nominate the frontman, but considering what the hall of fame is supposed to represent and its stature, its frankly loathsome of them to do so. I'm not the biggest Steve Miller expert, but with some basic research, even I can see that at the very least the likes of Byron Allred, Gary Mallaber, Lonnie Turner, Ben Sidran, and Norton Buffalo should be enshrined with Miller. ELO's was especially infuriating to me, as they had an EASILY defined classic lineup - Lynne, Bevan, Tandy (all inducted), Groucutt, Kaminski, Gale, & McDowell (not inducted).

I had actually come across a pretty decently sized online petition supporting the inductions of the "backing" bands. The petition itself names the Mothers of Invention, Big Brother & the Holding Company, the Belmonts, the Wailers, Wings, the Silver Bullet Band, Patti Smith Group, and Crazy Horse. Crazy Horse is the only one that in my (admittedly) limited knowledge I could take or leave, although them going in through the Sidemen category like we did in the Revisited/Projected project is fine. I don't think the petition will necessarily do anything, but it does show the growing support for these bands to get their rightful spot.

If George Thorogood were ever to be inducted, I'd absolutely hope that the Destroyers are included - namely Jeff Simon, Billy Blough, and Hank Carter, at the very least. They've been on just about every album of his and not just as additional personnel. A really interesting case is "Weird Al" Yankovic. His albums have always listed him strictly as "Weird Al" Yankovic, so I'd prefer that he get inducted solo, but his side band (Jim West, Jon "Bermuda" Schwartz, Steve Jay, Ruben Valtierra) have performed on every album, with the exception of Valtierra who joined around the Alapalooza album. In his case, I'd probably induct Al as a performer solo, but then induct Al's Band in the sidemen category. That may seem a bit inconsistent, but the fact is that, to my knowledge at least, he's never been listed as "Weird Al" and the "_____" as opposed to the other bands listed above.

What's especially disappointing is that the Rock Hall, which is supposed to consist of music "experts," either can't do their research on this or are too lazy to even try.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 09:47am

Plebian,

I totally understand, and I apologize for the insinuation.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 13:02pm

Ok, so to ask a general question: I have made the prediction Foreigner will get a nom this year for the first time. They are often lumped in with Boston, Styx, REO Speedwagon, and a plethora of other mid 70s to early 80s pop rock bands who are either fairly or unfairly given a rep for being just vanilla rock that rock purists want to see in the RRHOF just because they were a rock band in the 70s who stay in their narrow view of what rock and roll is. I have given reasons why I think Foreigner is actually more deserving, and the more I look back at their catalog (and I am not blind to nostalgia always being a factor for everyone), I see bands that have been inducted in the past few years (most notably Journey and Cheap Trick), who have all the same credentials that Foreigner (and Boston, for that matter), have, but they are in. Honestly, sometimes I think Journey just got in for "Don't Stop Believin" (and don't get me wrong on this one, I am appreciative of a lot of their 70s and 80s stuff, but it's the anthem for the early MTV headbangers). Is there any reason why Foreigner shouldn't get a look, not for the reason to "keep out" every single rock band no matter how major or minor, but since the precedent has already been set that there is a lot of cherry picking of bands to go in?

I realize there are hundreds of artists waiting in genres that are underrepresented or even omitted altogether from the RRHOF, but Foreigner to me is the next 70s group that had success in the 80s (excepting Bad Company and Jethro Tull because the bulk of their success is in the 70s, and they have different merits of their own) to get in the Hall of Fame?

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 10/28/2020 @ 01:26am

That is logical. Foreigner is pretty well known in pop culture and people can name 2 or more songs from them. Fits more than Bad Company, I would not be surprised if they took the #1 fan vote spot (fan vote does not matter, but I digress). Styx is seen more of a joke, Boston, well beside their debut album I cannot tell you anything about them, and REO Speedwagon just has two songs that just so happen to circulate every single music radio station ever. Does Foreigner have a well known member? Got to have a well known member.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 10/28/2020 @ 02:43am

Here is some analysis of some of my nominee predictions for 2021. I will star with 5 acts.
The B-52s-They are definitely original, innovative and creative. They have catchy, weird songs which make them cool. They were part of the same early New Wave scene that gave us the Talking Heads and the Pretenders.

Bad Company- They were a rather major band in the 1970s. They had a string of Very good 70s Rock albums with the Debut, Straight Shooter and Run with the Pack. Also Paul Rodgers is a known Rock singer. They are an excellent choice for Classic Rock

Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- She was snubbed last year despite a spot on Nominee list. I think it was a close call for induction. Very deserving and Overdue for sure and so huge in the 80s. They were among the biggest stars back in the 80s
Duran Duran- They were one of the biggest bands of the 80s. They were known In the 80s as one of the biggest New wave bands. If nominated they would get in.
The Guess Who- I an totally on board for this band. Their legacy of hits makes them known. The band found International success from the late 60s-Mid 70s.
That's is for now. I will continue later or tomorrow .

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/28/2020 @ 04:24am

K DAWG
You are right in bringing up Foreigner. They are the perfect Arena Rock or Classic Rock 1970's into the 1980's. I don't know why I haven't put them on my nomination list. It's probably that I went with Bad Company (A Paul Rodgers Fan) and Procol Harum (KING Top 5). Plus, Judas Priest. In Foreigner's Favor....
1. They had multiple platinum albums. Most of them were a couple times platinum. It was a strong run from about 1977-1987.
2. I Want To Know What Love Is has become a Classic song. It's usually in those top 80's song lists. What a fantastic song! KING likes songs with choirs.
3. Lou Gramm like Steve Perry are recognized as 2 of the best vocalists of that time. Who hasn't belted out some Cold As Ice or Double Vision.
4. Foreigner had a good mix of Americans and English when the band started. We have seen a strong English block voting for English music artists. It could help Foreigner induction time.
5. An impressive string of hit songs. Cold As Ice, Double Vision, Hot Blooded, I Want To Know What Love Is, Jukebox Hero, Urgent, Waiting For A Girl Like You etc. Theres also that cool Blue Morning song but I can never remember the title.
6. The album 4 would be a Classic album. I think that had Urgent on it. What a song! That saxophone rocks!
Foreigner probably is deserving of the Hall Of Fame. When you think Cheap Trick, Journey, The Cars, The Pretenders have been inducted. The Cars were more innovative than Foreigner. They seem to be more influential as well. Probably the only negative on Foreigner is some see them as corporate rock. They put a few of the ballads on their later albums. Mostly for a Top 40 crowd. I guess the Committee might think they can get to Foreigner later. That's a good discussion about Foreigner for the FRL Regulars. I would probably vote for them 70/30 if they were on the ballot. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 10/28/2020 @ 05:17am

Since the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominees of 2021 won't be announced until early next year, i'm going to select the 15 artists that are considered for nominations & giving them a objective ranking out of 10 & explain the reasons why they should be inducted or not.

The B - 52's - 7/10
Well they're one of the most well-known bands in the new wave scene. They're known for their unique musicianship & songwriting styles & have iconic songs like Rock Lobster & Love Shack. So they definitely are worthy of nomination/induction.
Bad Company - 4.5/10
A borderline act that has hits but that doesn't matter probably the reason why people wanted them to get in because of Paul Rodgers one of the greatest singers of all time & as a whole band I don't see no artist cited them as a influence & they don't have enough critical acclaim or groundbreaking success. So do they deserve an nomination for induction I don't mind about it but we'll see about it.
Pat Benatar & Neil Giraldo - 7/10
She's one of the most powerful singer - songwriters of her generation & her snub this year really upset fans & they wanted her to get in so bad. She won four grammys & still is one of the most well - loved by fans. She's definitely worthy of induction
Duran Duran - 9/10
They were one of the most important bands of the 80s. Several of their contemporaries have named themselves fans of their music & influence countless of artists of multiple genres & were a pop culture icon. They are definitely deserve a induction!
Foreigner - 5.5/10
I don't see them as influential or innovative but I do see them have modest critical acclaim & they were one of the most underrated but great bands in their primetime are they worthy of nomination/induction I don't mind about it but we'll see.
The Go's - Go's - 7.5/10
They were the only female band that both write their own songs & played their own instruments & the most successful one in history. They sold fair but they are influential & were critically acclaimed. They are definitely worthy of nomination/induction.
Iron Maiden - 8/10
The Hall is having a really hard time with metal & Iron Maiden is one of them. The fans have taken this snub really serious & The band doesn't care about the honor & when they do get inducted chances are that they might not show up but I think they will change their opinions about it.
Joy Division/New Order - 9/10
The Cure & Depeche Mode were recently inducted & both of them probably won't exist if it weren't for Joy Division/New Order they influenced countless of modern bands like Hall of Famers U2, Radiohead & others. They have groundbreaking success with their albums & were critically acclaimed by publications, they are definitely deserving of induction.
Judas Priest - 9/10
Like I said before the RRHOF is having a hard time getting the metal bands in there look how long it took Black Sabbath & Deep Purple to get inducted & the hall needed more metal & Judas Priest were nominated twice before. Despite being not well - received by critics they have a dedicated fan base. They influenced countless of metal bands that followed. They are definitely deserving of induction.
Kraftwerk - 10/10
If it weren't for them then Hall of Famers like Radiohead, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails, The Cure & others wouldn't exist. They were one of the most important bands in terms of influence, innovation, critical acclaim & groundbreaking success. The voters kept snubbing them all the time & they needed to know that they are rock & roll & are definitely deserving of induction!
LL Cool J - 8/10
The hall needs to let in more rappers in there because they shaped music & LL Cool J is one of the most important figures in that genres. Not sure about critical acclaim but he definitely one of the most amazing ones. Pretty deserving of induction.
Motley Crue - 5/10
They were defining to the 80's hair metal scene they had some critical acclaim & influenced a number of acts of the same genre but I can't ranked them higher because they defined the genre which is brought back by Steel Panther & made it look like a joke plus they were not as successful in the 90s due to Grunge taking over mainstream. They somewhat are worthy of nomination.
Thin Lizzy - 8/10
They were known for their twin lead guitar attack & it later refined & popularised by Judas Priest, Iron Maiden & Def Leppard. They brandished a unique style of showmanship & songwriting in bandleader Phil Lynott & influenced bands like Metallica & Alice in Chains. They are definitely deserving of induction.
Tina Turner - 10/10
People are going really excited about Tina Turner getting nominated/induction. She's a queen of rock & roll. I have nothing else to add so definitely deserving!
Warren Zevon - 9/10
Maybe he''ll get in as a peformer or the other way around. He's one of the biggest collaborators in music & influence a number of artists.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 10/28/2020 @ 10:13am

I wasn't trying to throw any shade on Bad Company; I do think of them as one of the BIGGEST omissions of the RRHOF ever. Paul Rodgers should have been in a decade ago, and the rest of the band is considered a "supergroup" for a reason.

I just see it often that some fans are dismissive of Foreigner, and honestly, since precedent has already been set for Journey to be in, it makes sense to put Lou Gramm and company on the spot.

This might open the door for acts like Blue Oyster Cult or Foghat (if you really wanna delve that deep, but I think BOC is a victim of only getting "Don't Fear the Reaper" on the radio when their catalog is SO much deeper and different sounding than just the cowbell). However, before I get the rock purists excited, I just want to say, Foreigner did evolve, so the knock against them really should be a credit. They started as an arena rock wannabe and ventured into love ballads, albeit ones that don't get parodied in those 80s collections that you watch 3 AM infomercials for...

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 10/28/2020 @ 11:49am

Navonte, thank you for your comments above. Enjoyed reading them. Do have 1 quibble, though.

Here is your comment re Kraftwerk: 'Kraftwerk - 10/10
If it weren't for them then Hall of Famers like Radiohead, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails, The Cure & others wouldn't exist. They were one of the most important bands in terms of influence, innovation, critical acclaim & groundbreaking success. The voters kept snubbing them all the time & they needed to know that they are rock & roll & are definitely deserving of induction!'

I think that the bands you mentioned would exist if Kraftwerk had never existed. The acts that might not exist today would be the EDM acts like Diplo, Deadmau5, Bassnectar, Chainsmokers, etc For them (Kraftwerk) that is a problem (IMO), as the genre they created is not kind to musicians who play actual instruments and get paid for doing so. Unfortunately for them, 96 percent of Hall members fall into this demographic.

I think they should be in, as when you start an entire musical genre, that's HOF stuff. I think they will get in as an Early Influence, personally. Or maybe when all the old fossils that still vote are in the ground..

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10/28/2020 @ 13:43pm

My end of October predictions
Nominees:
Smashing Pumpkins
Jay-Z
Pat Benatar and Neil Giraldo
Kate Bush
Kool and the Gang
Judas Priest
John Prine
Bad Company
Gil-Scott Heron
RATM
Kraftwerk
Tina Turner (delusional I know, but hopefully she gets in this year)
Joy Division/New Order
B-52s
New York Dolls
Big Star

Inductees:
Smashing Pumpkins (Combined with a new album and most of the reunited members back, I won't be surprised)
Jay-Z (No comment.)
Pat Benatar and Neil Giraldo (Surely gonna show up and get a spot after what happened last year)
RATM (Political climate and being timely sure helps)
Tina Turner (The constant annoyance of the Rock Hall Watchers Twitter will definitely get her a spot. Maybe they will be happy to do this one?)
Kool and the Gang (The only funk pick in the class, so pretty clear)
Bad Company (Our Classic Rock pick and probably the fan vote winner as I seriously doubt that the Rock purists want a "non-Rock" pick to be #1 *cough* Jay-Z)
Sorry Foo Fighters, maybe when no one worthy is eligible or when the Hall is an dire trouble, your time will come
:(

My dream class:
Smashing Pumpkins
Big Star
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
RATM
Joy Division/New Order

ME:
Big Mama Thornton
'Mutt Lange' (He still alive right?)

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 10/29/2020 @ 00:46am

Plebian,

He is very much alive. And he is long overdue for recognizance in the RRHOF...quit giving it to all these music execs and recognize some of these great producers who have created such amazing material or contributed in ways other than playing the instruments and singing the songs...

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 10/29/2020 @ 01:22am

Was that towards me? I did not mean to offend...:(

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 10/29/2020 @ 01:58am

No...I was praising your inclusion of Mutt Lange...sorry to make it sound bad

The RRHOF wants to honor all these executives and the producers and engineers who made these sounds possible get forgotten. It's not about the suits patting themselves on the backs, or it shouldn't be. It should be about the people who made the music...both in the performance and in the studio. Like Robert John "Mutt" Lange...

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 10/29/2020 @ 02:24am

I will continue with Analyzing Predictions for 2021.

Jethro Tull-They are important to Prog but they are Very talented, innovative and original. Ian Anderson made the flute more popular in Rock. Although it was used throughout the 60s in Rock, Ian Anderson was unique as a frontman with a Flute. They also had great success with albums like Aqualung, Thick as a Brick. Passion Play and Songs from the Wood.
Kraftwerk-Keep getting nominated and they are Electro Rock pioneers. I Am Not into Electro Rock but I understand it has a place
Dave Matthews Band- They represent some diversity. Main reason is they are Fan Vote winners who lost. The Hall will probably give them shot this time.

That's it for Now. Be back with more later on. It's good to analyze.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/30/2020 @ 05:20am

Well there goes Alex Chilton's chance as he was unfairly put in the singles with the Box Tops......seriously this "singles" category is really stupid and makes no sense! Do we count these as inductions or not? I'm so confused....:(

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 10/30/2020 @ 14:16pm

I don't know as far as i know a single induction means the song's inducted. I'm being optimistic by saying that Alex Chilton could be still be inducted with Big Star. A single induction might not necessarily mean no induction chances for the artists.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 10/30/2020 @ 15:35pm

I think we should just disregard the singles category entirely. It is not put together by the committee or the voters, and it's literally just SVZ's nostalgia playlist, separate from the rest of the process. If Chilton gets in, it'll be with Big Star, though I think there are a few more years/a few more 70s/80s alternative groups that need to get inducted before that becomes a real possibility.

Posted by RG on Friday, 10/30/2020 @ 16:56pm

Why do you predict based on influence and pioneering? On artists for extremely obscure artists I've noticed you guys act like it's a crime they aren't in. It's absurd you're acting like that. What about artists who are actually rock or were commercially successful?

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 11/1/2020 @ 11:50am

Garrus,

I also wonder that....
We love these obscure acts, yet we always don't go for the more popular acts. I guess we try not to think too pedestrian and not too corrupt like Rock Hall members. You bring a good point. Also we tend to put our bias picks more than anything.

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 11/1/2020 @ 15:04pm

My take is that every inductee or potential inductee falls somewhere on a three-sided scale of commercial success, critical acclaim, and influence. It is easiest to get inducted if you have a lot of all three, while having any one without the others makes it much more difficult (but certainly not impossible).

It makes sense to make some predictions based on influence because most of the people voting are musicians, who may know and vote for the more influential, less commercially successful artists more so than the general public would. That doesn't mean they're less deserving, they're just differently deserving. We shouldn't be dismissing any of these factors in favor of the others.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 11/1/2020 @ 16:50pm

Suppose 2021 will be like 2020 in that there are 2 80's Acts, 2 70's Acts, and 2 90's Acts.

The 90's acts are obviously Jay-Z and Foo Fighters, but which two 80's acts and two 70's acts would you choose to be a part of this hypothetical class?

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 11/1/2020 @ 21:38pm

I'm reposting my final predictions. I will answer Follower in a little bit, but I don't share his opinion that Foo Fighters are a given for induction, let alone nomination:

K-Dawg's Final Predictions List (odd that the Hall still hasn't officially enshrined the class of 2020):

1. Bad Company-a band talked about for years of being omitted. Paul Rodgers. Need you say more?
2. Alice in Chains-My gut says that they will waffle between the 2 remaining Seattle grunge bands. Both are worthy.
3. Jay Z- FYE, and from a producing and performing standpoint, a proverbial giant in the industry
4. Kraftwerk-I hold to the hope the Hall will not shunt the Godfathers of Electronic and countless genres into Musical Influence
5. Pat Benatar-Her nom and snub last year did not sit well with rock purists. She will be a perennial nominee until she is in
6. The Smashing Pumpkins-Now that NIN has gone in, look for them to turn to another seminal 90s act who has a huge following, and maybe this can be the motivation to reunite the original cast
7. Tina Turner-while I am not a fan of multiple inductions mainly because it tends to take away a spot from a ridiculously large backlog, Tina's career is too big to ignore and she does deserve to be honored independent from Ike and their supposedly abusive relationship
8. Foreigner-the token 70s pop rock band of the year, but these guys are deserving of getting in.
9. Duran Duran-New wave has been getting its due in recent years, and it's time for DD to get its love. Lockstep in many eyes with Depeche Mode as the most deserving and now that Depeche is in, they also should give prog fans a little jolt
10. Motley Crue-Last year's shocking omission, the Crue will be the talk of much speculation
11. The Monkees-My perennial choice, because one year I hope they will give them the due they deserve. There aren't many 60s acts that are remaining that have been overlooked, and they are at the very top
12. Iron Maiden-As I've said before, I think they will alternate the metal heavyweights back and forth with Judas Priest, and either one really is deserving
13. The B52s-They've picked up a lot of steam in conversations, and they are an appealing band to a huge number of different groups
14. The Eurythmics-David A. Stewart and Annie Lennox are tailormade for an induction; their careers, both solo and in tandem, are the thing of legend
15. Mariah Carey-Part of me thinks the Hall might make her wait a year or two, but with Janet and Whitney going back to back, there's definitely a shot of Ms. Carey getting her due ahead of a couple other worthy female pop acts who predate her
16. The Commodores-My other shot in the dark, since the Spinners and Meters are ignored year after year (and I'm a huge Spinners proponent and have been for a decade), Lionel Richie may be an appealing choice for the Nom Com
17. Rage Against the Machine-Tom Morello's group will be back in the spotlight this year. If not for actual enshrinement, at least for political notoriety in an election year
18. Dave Mathews Band-They got ditched and broke the fan kiosk trend, so they'll be returning. Bet on it.
19. Todd Rundgren-3rd time is the charm for the talented songwriter, or will he take the vaunted ME cat?
20. Snoop Dogg-One year I'll get this right. He is overlooked, and while his influence on pop culture has extensively been beyond his music catalog, he does close the door on the West Coast juggernauts of rap until Eminem becomes eligible in a couple years

What do you think? Yes, I know I omitted Foo Fighters. That was not an accident

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 11/1/2020 @ 23:46pm

Follower,

If I were to guess....

70s-Bad Company, Jethro Tull

80s-Pat Benatar, Kool and the Gang

That's all I got

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 11/2/2020 @ 01:39am

2021 Nominees Predictions:

Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
Outkast
Rufus Featuring Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Sade
Soundgarden
Tina Turner
Warren Zevon

Posted by Ozmeow1900 on Monday, 11/2/2020 @ 19:29pm

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.
08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already. So that we can clear the space for Tangerine Dream.
09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.
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10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

My Wildcard:

22. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exception of having a world class violinist (Robby Steinhardt) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees and get inducted. See also Rush.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Queen Latifah
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Shania Twain
Dolly Parton
Garth Brooks
Weezer
Phish
Styx

Personally, I happen to like the first nine artists on my list the most and of course- Kansas and think that they would make a great Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction class for 2021.

By the way, Philip, have you considered starting your own podcast?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 11/3/2020 @ 09:22am

It is time to finish analyzing my predictions for 2021. It took a few days to get back to.

Jay-Z-He sits on top of the Hip Hop World and music industry and he is very known. He also seems like a smart guy in the Music business.
Judas Priest-As stated sometimes it can take awhile to get inducted. Black Sabbath had to be nominated many times to get inducted. I think it took Black Sabbath about 9 years from their first nomination to be Inducted. It is very similar with Judas Priest. There is more music notables to Vote for a Heavy Metal Band than there used to be. It took Black Sabbath very long because they were a hard sell for the Voting body of the time. But Now Metallica and Def Leppard members,etc can Vote. Judas Priest should get their induction at some point.
Megadeth-They were a major Heavy Metal band in the old Heavy Metal scene. They were one of the later bands for the Old era of Heavy Metal. After the lineup stabilized, Megadeth released a number of huge albums, including Rust in Peace (1990) and Countdown to Extinction (1992). These albums, along with worldwide tours, brought them public fame. They have a good following and since Heavy metal acts are getting nominated here is another.
Motorhead-Motorhead - They are Unique, intense andhighly influential. Lemmy is practically worshipped in the Rock/Metal world.. They are a wise choice for Heavy metal
Mott the Hoople-They were an influential band in the early 70s. Its the original band of Ian Hunter. Bowie penned "All the Young Dudes" for them and it became their biggest hit. Released as a single in July 1972, it was a success in the UK, with the band using Tippins – who by this time was their tour manager – to sing backing vocals during concert. Bowie produced the album called All the Young Dudes, which included a Mick Ronson . It sold well, but they have other great tunes like "Honaloochie Boogie" and "All the Way from Memphis", both featuring Andy Mackay of Roxy Music. Look at that. A Roxy Music connection. I knew of that long ago I recall.
John Prine-He is a singer/songwriter with a cult following. I dismissed him after he failed as a nominee a few years ago. but now that he passed away from Covid-19 I think the Hall will give him another shot.
Rage Against the Machine- Rage Against the Machine-Tom Morello's group will be back in the public eye this year, If not for the actual induction at least for political notoriety in an election year. I think they are getting another shot this year.
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan-They have been nominated many times. I would like to see their induction, but darn it it's a tough road.. The Hall wants Chaka Khan in one way or another.
Todd Rundgren- This is the 3rd time for the talented songwriter. He is also such a terrific producer. I certainly think he will be nominated again. Not sure about induction.
Soundgarden- I'm another guy who believes there are very few people who do not want an induction for Soundgarden, so I think they are still working this induction out.
Soundgarden was one of the key creators of grunge, from Seattle, and was the first of a number of grunge bands to sign to the record label Sub Pop. Soundgarden was one the first grunge bands to sign to a major label after that. And of course Chris Cornell is a legend.
Thin Lizzy-I hope for a renomination. I think they return. Another heavy rock choice.
Tina Turner-She has been inducted with Ike I know. But hey she needs to be inducted solo. Tina's career is too big to ignore and she does deserve to be honored independent from Ike and that abusive relationship that did happen.

What do you guys think? Please respond if you can Somebody. To any of my analyzing. I also omitted Foo Fighters on purpose. Dave Grohl himself will find it too early for them with a lot of Heavy rock acts to get in from the 70s and 80s

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/3/2020 @ 11:48am

Why is George Thorogood never up for consideration? The guy has sold millions of albums, entertained millions in concert. He has had the big popular hits such as Bad To The bone, I Drink Alone, Move It On Over, One Bourbon/One Scotch/One Beer, and Who Do You Love? He also show pure talent on songs like The Sky Is Crying and Delaware Slide. He did do a lot of songs written by other artists, but it was always done with class (even when he would change some lyrics). Thorogood is a major contributor when it comes to keeping the blues alive. If I were making another Blues Brothers movie George Thorogood would be playing a major role since he is truly blues incarnate.

Posted by Ricky Burton on Tuesday, 11/3/2020 @ 12:14pm

Follower,

If I were to guess at the answer to your question, I'd go with:

90's - Jay-Z, Smashing Pumpkins
80's - Pat Benatar, The B-52's
70's - Kraftwerk, Bad Company

Posted by Michael W. on Tuesday, 11/3/2020 @ 14:39pm

Hey The Dude,

Question...if say Smashing Pumpkins do get in (And I LOVE the Smashing Pumpkins), do you think they will only inducted the original lineup (like Kiss and T.Rex) or do you think they will add almost everyone (Like The Cure)? They have 3 females (including Wretzky) and the other people that are not part of the og lineup are quite significant.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 11/3/2020 @ 19:43pm

@ Plebian

If nominated and selected for an induction, the Hall is very likely to go with the classic lineup only. The band only made three good albums before they went downhill with messy lineup changes and Billy Corgan's attitude in my opinion (See Guns N' Roses). But I wouldn't mind more additions of the female members from the Pumpkins though.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 11/3/2020 @ 19:51pm

Ricky,

I have not seen you on here much at all. I want to say I like a bunch of George Thorogood. His hits like Move it on Over and One Bourbon/One Scotch/One Beer. He shows great talent on Willie and the Hand Jive and Sky is Crying. He can play oldies like Reelin and Rockin very well. I only own a Greatest hits cd. I think the problem is he is Not regarded as a heavyweight in Rock or Blues. In recent years As far as Classic Rock acts the Hall has recently taken priority to Chicago, Cheap Trick, Journey, Dire Straits and there is Bad Company to consider. These others take priority for the Hall I think. But Thorogood is a major act that keeps the Blues alive. And this falls into the Blues Rock I love.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/4/2020 @ 04:00am

Since the election jest happened (and still isn't over), here's an interesting "Inductees who X" for you: Inductees who have been given the Presidential Medal of Freedom!

Aretha Franklin
B. B. King
Bob Dylan
Stevie Wonder
James Taylor
Diana Ross
Bruce Springsteen
Elvis Presley

Surprised none of the Beatles have been awarded one. It's not exclusive to Americans. Oh well, lots of other people (like other political figures) deserve priority in this case.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 11/4/2020 @ 10:19am

Follower:

The Medal of Freedom is not exclusive to Americans, but it is interesting that (among those on your list) only Americans have been awarded one.

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 11/4/2020 @ 12:34pm

It seems Troy Smith's review of the ceremony actually was not that bad. A lot of tear jerking, but a lot reminiscing. I don't have HBO Max, but it would be wonderful to see clips freely on YouTube. You know, this class is not so bad. Could have been better, but regardless I'm happy for everyone. We criticize the Hall (rightfully so), but we tend to forget why we loves this Hall of Fame. The impact of music that runs through our lives and we want to see those enshrine for others to see. That in my opinion is why despite the many gripes with the Hall, I love this Hall of Dame. The music interaction everything! I hope my thing was not too emotional, but I just want to give some positive thoughts every now and then. :)

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 11/4/2020 @ 13:44pm

One wish of mine is for the Hall to adopt a preliminary style like the Baseball Hall of Fame, and then narrow it down over time. Start out with about 35 like the BHOF does.

Jethro Tull
Procol Harum
Canned Heat
John Fogerty
Donald Fagen
Huey Lewis and the News
Steve Winwood
Styx
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Supertramp
Jefferson Starship
Motley Crue
Motorhead
Joe Cocker
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Boston
The Marshall Tucker Band
Eurythmics
Asia
Toto
Bad Company
Rage Against the Machine
Kansas
Steppenwolf
Sepultura
Megadeth
Anthrax
The Smiths
Soundgarden
Alice in Chains
Stone Temple Pilots
Iron Maiden
Dio
Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Johnny Winter

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 11/4/2020 @ 13:49pm

First off, the idea in itself is a good one. No offense intended, Garrus, but that list reads predominantly like a rock purist's wish list. While many of those bands are deserving, it completely ignores any real innovation or diversity. The one thing I would say, is it would force the dummies who rant in all caps about why their fourth tier one hit wonder bands aren't in to really dig deep to find some bands to be in the HOF over people from Jay Z to Tina Turner to Mariah Carey to the Spinners. And I quote:

"NOT ROCK! WHY ISN'T MOUNTAIN AND THE KNACK IN?"

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 11/4/2020 @ 15:01pm

Nominees
The Go-Gos
Motorhead
Rage Against the Machines
Jay Z
The B-52's
Smashing Pumpkins
Peter, Paul and Mary
foreigner
Rufus
Casey Kasem
The Dixehumming birds
Iron Maiden
Pat Benatar
Cher

Class of 2021
The Go-Gos
Motorhead
Jay Z
foreigner
Cher
Iron Maiden'
The Dixehumming birds (Early influence )
Casey Kasem(Ahmet Ertegun Award)

Posted by Dana on Thursday, 11/5/2020 @ 08:13am

I propose a complete reorganization of the Hall of Fame.

Artists in genres not commonly recognized as a form of rock shall be recategorized as Contributors (Grandmaster Flash, B.B. King, Johnny Cash).

Artists inducted without their backing groups shall be recategorized as Soloists (Paul McCartney, Bob Seger, Jeff Beck). Should their backing groups be inducted, they would be recategorized as Performers.

Artists categorized as Early Influences whose work began in 1950 or later (Wanda Jackson, Hank Williams, Freddie King) shall be recategorized as Performers.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 11/5/2020 @ 14:06pm

K Dawg,

I am a Rock enthusiast and I don't know what Garrus is talking about. Neither Mountain or The Knack will ever go in. I would say Not. One thing about first of all is I love Rock but also like a significant amount of R&b. I love Tina Turner for instance. I saw her in concert once because the girl I dated didn't like Rock. So I found Tina Turner playing in the early 90s.Me and the girl enjoyed her show. I am rallying for her. I love certain stuff by the Spinners. I rallied a long time for the Spinners. I stopped predicting them simply because the Hall has lost interest in them. I figure The Hall still wants Rufus or Chaka Khan. Chaka Khan is very talented. Heyy look way back around the Time the Byrds,the Doors and Cream were inducted so were the Isley Brothers. It shouldn't be any different now. I did Not predict Harold Melvyn and the Bluenotes but they are snubbed too for sure. They featured the talented Teddy Pendergrass. I'm into diversity.
As for Mariah Carey, she falls into the slot of Janet Jackson and Whitney H. Cyndi Lauper is slightly earlier pop. She fits into the Hall also. RnR Hall of Fame reflects all kind of Contemporary music. It still reflects music of the 20th Century riht Now. That's it for now. I agree with ya. Just supporting the view.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 11/6/2020 @ 04:04am

With the new information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees. Therefore, here it is once again, for your viewing pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.
08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already. So that we can clear the space for Tangerine Dream.
09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.
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10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

My Wildcard:

22. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exception of having a world class violinist (Robby Steinhardt) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees and get inducted. See also Rush.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Queen Latifah
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Shania Twain
Dolly Parton
Garth Brooks
Weezer
Phish
Styx

Personally, I happen to like the first nine artists on my list the most and of course- Kansas and think that they would make a great Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction class for 2021.

By the way, Philip, have you considered starting your own podcast?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 11/6/2020 @ 09:01am

2021 nominee predictions November edition

The Nominees:
RATM
Gil Scott-Heron
Pat Benatar
B-52s
Bad Company
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
Big Star
John Prine
Rufus/Chaka Khan
Motörhead
Soundgarden
Smashing Pumpkins
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Eurythmics

The Inductees:
Jay-Z
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner
Bad Company
New York Dolls
Pat Benatar
(If 7) Gil Scott-Heron
ME:
Big Mama Thornton
Mutt Lange

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 11/6/2020 @ 11:35am

Ben,

It's all fine and good. I think someone just left the playpen for the old headbangers open, and one poor soul wandered into the big boy room. I will admit, his characterization that blues, outlaw country and especially hip hop do not have roots in rock is rather thought out for a person that we expect to be typing in caps, but it doesn't change the opinion. I know you are a big rock guy; I love rock and metal too, but like most here, I also can appreciate other genres, although I am a bit more hip hop oriented than many.

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 11/6/2020 @ 12:04pm

Ben, I do think Mountain has a case. Maybe not the best case, but a case. The Knack will get 'My Sharona' inducted as a song one day. That is all for them. They do have 3 or 4 more fine songs beyond that one, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 11/6/2020 @ 14:07pm

I hate that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has become the Popular Music Hall of Fame over the decades. If that's what they want they should change the name of the place.

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 02:55am

*SIGH*

It's the Rock AND ROLL Hall of Fame. The rock part is what you and so many in your purview get hung up on. Rock and roll began in the 1950s influenced by genres of jazz, blues, country and many other types of music. The earliest rock and roll superstars were Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino, as well as Elvis Presley. These gentlemen did rock in their own ways, but their music was just as popular and they also had a smooth sound. Their music trickled down into the 60s, 70s and beyond. It spawned new sounds and genres were born. Heavy metal and new wave, alternative and punk, r and b and hip hop, even pop to funk to electronic. Every single act that you call "popular music" has its influences in those first rock and roll stars and their ancestors. This is rock AND ROLL.

If you cannot grasp this explanation, I feel sorry for you.

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 04:00am

K Dawg,

Yep, Exactly, I'm big on Rock and Metal but also dig my R&B. I feel bad for an act like the Spinners.. As far as I know there is only one original member alive and they have been snubbed so long. I even go beyond my tastes to include an act like Kraftwerk. Electro music is not my thing but hey if they created a genre then I guess include them. Right now I am getting ready for the 2020 RnR Hall of Fame Special on HBO. That's it for now.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 04:08am

Tonight I will watch the 2021 RnR Hall of Fame Special. It is one of the most diverse Classes of all time. It's not my favorite class. But I think it makes a lot more sense than the 2011 Ceremony. It is called a Ceremony but it's really a RnR Hall of Fame Induction Special. I looked up the Presenters for the Performers.
Doobie Brothers inducted by Luke Bryan
Whitney Houston Inducted by Alicia Keys
T. Rex Inducted by Ringo Starr
Notorious BIG inducted by Sean Diddy Combs
Depeche Mode inducted by Charlize Theron
Nine Inch Nails inducted by Iggy Pop

Those make sense. Luke Bryan makes sense because of the Country Rock sound of early Doobies. Ringo Starr makes sense for T Rex because Ringo I recall was in a movie with T Rex. called Born to Boogie. There's several choices for Whitney Houston. Alicia Keys is a fitting one. The only one that puzzles me is Charlize Theron. She must have been a huge Depeche M fan in the late 80s,early 90s. Then it makes sense. The ones of interest to me are Doobie Brothers,T Rex and Whitney Houston. I can understand Biggie inducted. There's more of that diversity. I only know 1 song of his. I never followed the other 2. And soo the Ceremony is tonight. Some of you guys. said it's on HBO Max. It's also on Regular HBO on TV. I DO NOT have HBO Max and I'm good to go. This is something you guys should discuss. K Dawg I am sure you know quite a bit more than me about Biggie. And also Doobie Brother and Whitney H.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 07:29am

You're absolutely right, K-Dawg. The boundaries of genre are fluid, and the internal logic of the process is that any artist that can trace their style back to those 1950s pioneers, be it a pop star, metal band, hip hop group, etc., is eligible. Country and Jazz are generally not included because those musical traditions existed before and separate from the rock era. Garrus, I would argue that the bridge of including artists that aren't necessarily purely Rock was crossed way back in the 80s, when they started inducting the pioneers of R&B and Soul. But, like I said, their style all came from the same place, so that decision makes sense. This isn't new.

Excited for the special! Won't be able to catch it tonight, but I'll probably get a chance to watch it tomorrow or Monday.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 08:02am

Thanks Ben and RG.

On the inductions tonight, I was completely happy with half the class who I felt are long overdue. Depeche Mode is literally THE bridge between conventional guitar rock and new wave. They were socially conscious in a great 80s decade where bigger was better and we were struggling to adapt to the more modern times. People Are People, while I admit I don't know if this is the purpose of the song, is one of the ultimate statements against racism that I can see. From ALL types of racism. Nine Inch Nails was something rather different when they popped up in 1989. They were called industrial rock, but to me, they are the spawn of the nu metal genre that Korn, Disturbed, Linkin Park and other bands I love evolved from. Whitney Houston is simply one of the most gifted singers who had a tortured later life, from her struggles with her husband who seems to have repented, to her drug use and untimely death. She IS Tina Turner without sadly the enduring success story. She will hopefully never be forgotten.

T-Rex? I know they sing "Bang A Gong". The Doobie Brothers, while I feel are deserving, always had a feeling that they were going to be inducted sooner or later. Biggie I like just fine, but I would prefer to see other hip hop artists really get some love before we always throw the shiniest toy in the mix; TLC is the notable female hip hop act who changed the 90s for women who haven't barely gotten a whisper about induction yet....and there are many others. Still a good induction, and I think all are worthy

I really am jonesing to get the 2021 discussion underway in earnest though. Kraftwerk is on the precipice, and other acts like Duran Duran, Bad Company, Jethro Tull, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains as well as Jay Z, Mariah Carey, Tina Turner, even Tommy Shondell and the Monkees are anxious to see whose next..

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 12:24pm

Two Depeche Mode songs were featured in the soundtrack to the movie Atomic Blonde, which starred Charlize Theron.

Posted by Fifi on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 17:18pm

If I could put in 10 bands

1) Kraftwerk: if I have to explain them, you don't like music and go to another list
2) MC5: I band that truly was trying to put forth a political revolution through music
3) New Order/Joy Division: I say put them together but few bands have the legacy these bands have
4) John Coltrane: a jazz musician that truly influenced rock
5) Go-Go's: these girls set the stage for female bands that rocked
6) B-52's: more than a party band, they were a revolution
7) Pat Benetar: a true rocker with the hits, sales and awards history
8) Big Star: a critical darling that is easily overlooked in the mainstream but deserves recognition
9) Tommy James and the Shondells: my favorite 60's band not in the hall
10) Cyndi Lauper: my vanity pick but she has done everything and was a huge influence on millions of girls as well as taking control of her music, her look and her videos in a way a lot of artists don't, plus recent Grammy nods for albums ranging from blues to dance to Broadway

BONUS PICS: Graham Parker, Warren Zevon, Sonic Youth, Pixies, Replacements, Sahgri-La's, Cliff Richard & The Shadows, Bjork/Sugarcubes, Runaways, New York, Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush

Posted by William R Ketelhut on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 00:11am

I did watch the 2020 RnR Hall of Fame Ceremony last night on old fashioned TV. It was on HBO like it has been on TV fort a long time. As we all know NO live performances due to the Pandemic. I liked how the Doobie Brothers segment opened it. I am after all a huge Rock fan first and foremost. I didn't even start eating until the 2nd segment. Other highlights for me were the Notorious BIG segment. Yes believe it or not I thought that segment was well done. Sean Puffy Combs handled that one. I was definitely Not grooving to Biggie in 1995 or so. I was Rocking with my Van Halen, Allman brothers Band,Fleetwood Mac,etc and also some Alternative rock at that time in the 90s. But I know something about Biggie from years back.
The In Memorium segment was terrific. The highlight here was the tribute to Eddie Van Halen. They went through the rest of the memorium Roll including sooo many like Bill Withers, Kenny Rogers and others, Neil Peart and Ginger Baker were honored next to eachother. T Rex segment was great. I know quite a bit about T Rex. You see they were as big as the Beatles back in the mid 70s. But in England not America. It was a very tasteful respectful ending with Whitney Houston. She is a great talent taken from the world too young. The closing act by tradition is considered the most key act of a class. Whitney H is the best one to close with for an audience. She is a universal name in music. And that's the 2020 RnR Ceremony

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 05:06am

Hey Ben,
Yeah, I watched the RRHOF inductee show last night on HBO also. I think it was very well done with what they had to work with. A lot of great historical clips , statements and quick interviews, and I learned a few things as they delved into the bands/artists origins and some internal, personal information. I did not know that Marc Bolan had a TV show before he died featuring new and upcoming artists. Billy Idol gave Marc great compliments for having his band Generation X perform on the show.
Obviously the ceremony suffered a bit from not having the performances from the inductees, which most all would agree are the featured attractions. I believe we would have had great performances from the Doobie Brothers and Depeche Mode, and certainly something very extraordinary from Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails. Then also some excellent tribute songs done for T. Rex, Biggie, and Whitney Houston. I think we missed out this year, unfortunately, on some possible epic performances, and then you always have the celebrity presenters, performers, and inductors, and the audience is usually cool. So good job, I suppose on the show in general, but one that could have been so much more, if not so extremely limited by the pandemic situation.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 09:21am

Watched the Rock Hall ceremony for the first time on HBO Max with my iPod Touch. The app has yet to be on Roku and Nintendo Switch.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 11:43am

Just an FYI for anyone with HBOMax that would like to watch it on a streaming device that does not offer it yet. Look up "Sideloading". I used that to get it on my Amazon FireStick.

Posted by Greg P. on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 11:45am

Ben and Will N.,

Although no actual performances had been given, the Rock Hall had done a relatively decent job of providing more information about the inductees, through short films. The tribute to the late great Eddie Van Halen had been quite heartfelt. I had also liked the presentations for The Doobie Brothers, Depeche Mode, T. Rex and of course- Whitney Houston. I had been otherwise preoccupied when the presentation about the Notorious B.I.G. had aired. I personally think that Neil Peart should have had a much longer presentation than he had, as should have Ginger Baker. Of course, recognition for the late great Little Richard had been very appropriate. I had also liked the Rock Hall's infomercial, or so to speak about how the Rock Hall informs a younger generation of artists in Ohio. Also, the intro by Dave Grohl had been quite good.

Overall, it had been better than I had expected, although I think that The Doobie Brothers', Whitney Houston's, T. Rex's and Depeche Mode's segments could have been better, hopefully this will be considered during the ceremony sometime next year.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 13:23pm

Jackie Brenston- first rock and roll song
Iron Butterfly- first metal band
Steppenwolf- first rock song to mention the words "heavy metal"
The Sugarhill Gang- first rap song
Chic- "Good Times" was sampled in both Another One Bites the Dust and Rapper's Delight
The Marvelettes- the only girl group missing
Kool & the Gang- their "Celebration" has become a major party song and sports anthem
Peter, Paul, and Mary- the epitome of 60s folk
Joy Division- has a major legacy today, including bands like Interpol and Editors
Iron Maiden- the Hall needs power metal
Motorhead- the Hall needs speed metal
Willie Nelson- a legend in country
Anthrax- they inducted Public Enemy but forgot the rock half
Peter Frampton- his talkbox is extremely innovative
Dick Dale and His Del Tones- defined surf rock
Link Wray and His Wray Men- pioneered the power chord

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 23:56pm

Garrus,

Are these your predictions or what?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 02:16am

If they are, Plebian, it's really not a terrible list.

However, it will never happen because it isn't really diverse enough in a socially conscious community. The genres spanned are really brilliant here. I thought he was stuck in the rock only forum, but he diversified himself nicely here. Unfortunately, most of it is 50s and 60s stuff, where the well is almost dry.

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 11:42am

Sorry, I am not buying the relevance of bands like Depeche Mode, when there are so many other more relevant, influential bands who have been overlooked. Here is my list, which can be debated, torn apart, etc. My prospective nominees include:

Pat Benatar
Motley Crue
Styx
Jan & Dean - 60s legends overlooked for too long. Influenced Beach Boys and Brian Wilson as well as punk rockers like the Ramones
J. Geils Band
Jay-Z
Eddie Money
Duran Duran
The GoGos
The Eurythmics
Poison
Judas Priest
Soundgarden
MC5
Foreigner
New York Dolls

Of this list, those I would like to see inducted THIS YEAR:
Pat Benatar
Motley Crue
Poison
Duran Duran
Styx
Jan & Dean
Jay-Z

Posted by David H on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 12:17pm

@ David H

J. Geils Band, Eddie Money, and Poison are the only long shots on your list.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 12:28pm

I was trying to be more diverse, as you have constantly complained about regarding my wishlists being too rock-oriented.

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 14:44pm

It was fine. Just a tad wishing. I give you an A for trying

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 15:16pm

Is just me or does Depeche Mode get the most slandered of this class?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 22:18pm

Of the rock bands, yeah. Outside the forums, Biggie gets a large bashing, but for some reason the uninformed like to trash the illustrious Miss Houston

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 22:38pm

This class just cannot catch a break! (I still love it tho) Ironically, Doobie Bros are the weakest link. Like The Dude said, I think they have the most scrutiny and that Irving Adzroff is their manager, and he gets his acts in whether we like it or not. Maybe with Irving now in, we can put to rest of his choices.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 22:44pm

@ Plebian

I doubt the Azoff streak would break for next year's class. But if it keeps going, we'll be seeing Boston, Warren Zevon, the Go-Go's and Devo in the future. I've recently found out Irving did formed a group along with Dave Matthews band called the Music Artists Coalition, which happened last year.

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/dave-matthews-anderson-paak-lobbying-group-to-fight-big-tech-1203283442/

As for his connections to the future eligibles, he also works with Maroon 5 as a manager. He even made an appearance on a documentary movie along with Linkin Park's the late Chester Bennington and System of a Down's Serj Tankian called Artifact.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2013/12/04/jared-leto-wages-war-on-the-music-industry/?sh=6e3846821482

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 23:25pm

Yeah, the boomer rockists that I've seen in the wild have tended to be the angriest about Biggie and Whitney (hmm, I wonder what they have in common that the rest of the class doesn't) while they're a little more, idk, indifferent? about Depeche Mode. I get the impression that a lot of them don't really know much about New Wave, but since they're still recognizably a rock band they don't get whipped up into anger about it.

I would go for the Doobies as the weakest link as well, not that they're at all undeserving. It's more just that each of the other inductees was either instrumental in bringing a niche subgenre into the mainstream (T. Rex, Depeche, NIN), or widely considered the best, most influential and emulated solo artist of their genre (Biggie, Whitney). Whereas The Doobies were a very successful bluesy Soft Rock band in an era that had no shortage of successful bluesy Soft Rock bands.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 11/10/2020 @ 00:16am

@ RG

Most Boomers see the 50's through 70's as the golden era of music. Not so much on the 80's, but the Gen Xers do love that decade more than the 90's though.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 11/10/2020 @ 07:24am

The Dude,
I think thats me. I'm a Gen Xer. Hey I was 2 years old when the Doors and Cream were on the rise. I was only 8 when Pink Floyd got huge. I was No way listening to Pink Floyd at 8 at all. I started listening a lot to Rock around 1978. I love my 70s Rock. But the 70s were almost over by the time I got into things a lot. I love the 80s. Whether it be The Cars, Pretenders, Squeeze or Van Halen, Gnr,Journey etc etc and some Heavy Metal.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/10/2020 @ 10:37am

@ Ben

Yep, you're not the only one. I met some Xers who said to me they liked the 80's more in music, and even read a lot of comments on Facebook posted by guys who are in your generation - they said the same thing too.

So, it doesn't look a lot like what most music journalists and critics tend to think. The 90's and the early 2000's are mostly loved by millennials (my cohort). For me, the 80's was the last great decade for pop music cause most of the acts never tried to be teeny boppy. The 90's and early 2000's on the other hand were different. Boys Bands like the Backstreet Boys and 98 Degrees were teeny boppy enough to become fads at a certain point. I think that sums why bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit, Deftones, Linkin Park, Slipknot, and System of a Down came in as competitors. Hell, even Eminem originally started off as a anti-boy band type of act.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 11/10/2020 @ 11:52am

Hey guys I decided to update my MVPs of the classes, feel free to give me feedback.

1986-Chuck Berry
1987-Aretha Franklin
1988-The Beatles
1989-The Rolling Stones
1990-The Who
1991-The Byrds
1992-Jimi Hendrix/Johnny Cash
1993-CCR/The Doors
1994-John Lennon/Elton John/Bob Marley
1995-Led Zeppelin
1996-Pink Floyd/David Bowie
1997-Joni Mitchell
1998-Fleetwood Mac/Eagles
1999-Bruce Springsteen
2000-Eric Clapton
2001-Michael Jackson
2002-Ramones
2003-The Clash
2004-Prince
2005-U2
2006-Black Sabbath/Miles Davis
2007-R.E.M.
2008-Madonna
2009-Metallica
2010-The Stooges
2011-Tom Waits/Alice Cooper
2012-RHCP/Beastie Boys/Guns N Roses
2013-Public Enemy
2014-Nirvana
2015-Green Day
2016-N.W.A.
2017-Pearl Jam/2Pac
2018-Nina Simone
2019-Radiohead
2020-Biggie Smalls

Future MVPS
2021-Jay-Z
2022-Eminem

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 11/10/2020 @ 20:53pm

Plebian, I love your Class MVPs List, except for a couple of things:

For 2010 MVP, I would've chosen Genesis.
For 2013 MVP, I would've chosen Rush.
For 2019 MVP, I would've picked either Def Leppard or The Cure.

Posted by John Mangee on Tuesday, 11/10/2020 @ 22:17pm

So now that the induction ceremony is in the books, any word on when the RRHOF is gonna pick the 2021 class?

Inquiring minds wanna know...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 11/10/2020 @ 23:43pm

Plebian,
I love your MVPs list up to 2006. But then I would have chosen different on a few;

2008- I choose John Mellencamp
2010- I choose Genesis
2015-I choose Stevie Ray Vaughan
2016- I choose Chicago
2018- I choose the Moody Blues
2019- I choose Def Leppard
2020- I choose Whitney Houston
I just want mention other recent years. For 2013 I keep Public Enemy. I love Heart and I like Rush quite a bit but Public Enemy remain due to their Revolutionary impact they made around the world. For 2014 I have never liked Nirvana but hey they changed Rock music scene forever. They were revolutionary by bringing on the Alternative craze. Ok Thats it for Now.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 04:02am

Ben and Plebian,

Regarding: My MVP list:

1993- I would have chosen The Doors, or Cream.
1994
1995
1996- I would have chosen Jefferson Airplane, David Bowie, or Pink Floyd.
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002- I would have chosen Talking Heads.
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010- I would have chosen Genesis.
2011
2012
2013- I would have chosen Rush.
2014
2015
2016
2017- I would have chosen Yes.
2018- I would have chosen The Moody Blues.
2019- I would have chosen Roxy Music.
2020- I would have chosen Depeche Mode.

Future MVP's

2021- I would choose either Duran Duran, or Jethro Tull
2022- I would choose Supertramp
2023- I would choose King Crimson

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 04:54am

Of course, I had been basing my list on my favorite artists, whose overall impact has been huge.

However, the most important artist who has ever actually been inducted (in my honest opinion) had been the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe, the godmother of Rock & Roll, without her- there is no Rock & Roll.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 05:41am

K Dawg,

Yes. They have announced that the nominating committee will be meeting in January, and nominations will come out in February. Which means that we likely get an inductee announcement around May or June and a ceremony in the fall.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 06:46am

RG,

Joel Peresman said in an interview with Billboard last week that the 2021 inductees are tentatively scheduled to be announced in early April and here's what he had to say about it:

Now, the nominating process will start in late January. We'll announce the nominations in February. It will go out to voters and we'll announce the nominees in the spring, probably early April.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 09:16am

Richie,

I hadn't seen that tidbit. Thank you!

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 09:21am

My MVP list:
1986 - Chuck Berry
1987 - Aretha Franklin
1988 - The Beatles/Bob Dylan
1989 - The Rolling Stones/Stevie Wonder
1990 - The Who
1991 - The Byrds
1992 - Jimi Hendrix Expierence
1993 - The Doors/Sly & The Family Stone
1994 - Bob Marley
1995 - Led Zeppelin
1996 - Pink Floyd/The Velvet Underground
1997 - Parliament - Funkadelic
1998 - Eagles
1999 - Bruce Springsteen
2000 - Eric Clapton
2001 - Michael Jackson/Queen
2002 - Ramones/Talking Heads
2003 - The Clash
2004 - Prince
2005 - U2
2006 - Miles Davis
2007 - R.E.M
2008 - Madonna
2009 - Run - D.M.C
2010 - The Stooges
2011 - Tom Waits
2012 - Beastie Boys/Guns N' Roses
2013 - Public Enemy
2014 - Nirvana
2015 - Green Day/Lou Reed
2016 - N.W.A
2017 - Pearl Jam/2Pac
2018 - Nina Simone
2019 - Radiohead/Janet Jackson
2020 - Whitney Houston/Nine Inch Nails

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 09:34am

"The Hall special managed to find just 283,000 viewers. Biden? North of 25 million. Oh well."

The Hall better regret for rigging both the kiosk and the fan ballot the numbers would have been more closer to last year's ceremony if they actually give what their consumers want with either Mötley Crue (Who was number one on the kiosk and is again now) or Dave Matthews Band (who was number one on the fan ballot) as a seventh spot on the "Performer" category. But no, they made some sh*tty business decisions, and it's possible the damage had been done already. This year's induction special was a FLOP, and the ongoing pandemic wasn't the only thing that happened. It was stubbornness, being out of touch and stupidity.

*Facepalm*

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 10:13am

The Dude,

We've gotten into this before, but I really think that the ratings impact of people that were disgruntled by the details of the Hall's decision making process is negligible compared to the extremely long wait, lack of live performances, and airing at the exact same time as the culmination of the most newsworthy week in recent memory. I'm honestly surprised it wasn't lower because of those factors.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 10:41am

With regards to the ratings, I'd be interested to know if that is strictly the number of people who tuned in to HBO at 8pm on Saturday. Does it factor OnDemand viewing? Personally, I watched the speeches from Vice President-Elect Harris and President-Elect Biden, and once they were over (around 9:15/9:30), I fired up HBOMax and streamed the Induction special. My guess is that a lot of people did the same thing. Or even watched the Induction the following day.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 12:43pm

Greg,

It's live ratings on HBO only, it doesn't include any HBO Max, VOD, or DVR viewing. I too watched Biden & Harris the night of, and then watched the special on Monday.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 13:02pm

Anyone got some LVP lists?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 16:33pm

my LVP list

1986:Jerry Lee Lewis
1987:Clyde Mcphatter
1988:The Drifters
1989:Dion
1990:Bobby Darin
1991:Lavern Baker
1992:Booker T. And The M.g.'s
1993:Frankie Lymon
1994:Duane Eddy
1995:Martha And The Vandellas
1996:Gladys Knight
1997:The Young Rascals
1998:Lloyd Price
1999:The Staple Singers
2000:The Moonglows
2001:Solomon Burke
2002:Gene Pitney
2003:The Righteous Brothers
2004:The Dells
2005:Percy Sledge
2006:Blondie
2007:The Ronettes
2008:Dave Clark
2009:Little Anthony
2010:The Hollies
2011:Darlene Love
2012:The Small Faces
2013:Randy Newman
2014:Linda Ronstadt
2015:Bill Withers
2016:Steve Miller
2017:Electric Light Orchestra
2018:Bon Jovi
2019:Stevie Nicks
2020:The Doobie Brothers

Posted by Riley Macmillan on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 16:44pm

I am so ready for a Kate Bush and Shangri-Las nomination

Posted by Sköt on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 23:00pm

Checking back on some of the Doobies live performances, I have 2 observations:

1. They do have some great tracks, and they are a very underrated ensemble band who could be considered a mini-orchestra with their interplay between all the instruments and vocals. I think that unique blend, coupled with the onset of AM rock being accepted into the pantheon of "hard rock", more than makes them worthy of induction.
Which brings me to my other point:
2. They have so many members who made a contribution, particulary in the early 80s, who are omitted. Cornelius Bumpus has a booming voice and his instrumentals...why is this man NOT on the list of inductees, as well as Bobby LaKind? There are members of other bands who contributed far less than these gentlemen, and they are included in the RRHOF...

Couple musings. Carry on...maybe I will tackle the MVP/LVP debate if I have time

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 11/12/2020 @ 03:05am

My MVP list
1986:Chuck Berry
1987:Aretha Franklin
1988:The Beatles
1989:The Rolling Stones
1990:The Who
1991:The Byrds
1992:Jimi Hendrix
1993:Sly And The Family Stone
1994:Bob Marley
1995:Led Zeppelin
1996:The Velvet Underground
1997:Parliament-funkadelic
1998:Fleetwood Mac
1999:Bruce Springsteen
2000:James Taylor
2001:Michael Jackson
2002:The Ramones
2003:The Clash
2004:Prince
2005:U2
2006:Miles Davis
2007:R.e.m.
2008:Madonna
2009:Run Dmc
2010:Iggy Pop
2011:Tom Waits
2012:Beastie Boys
2013:Public Enemy
2014:Nirvana
2015:Green Day
2016:N.w.a.
2017:2pac
2018:Nina Simone
2019:Radiohead
2020:Whitney Houston

Posted by Riley Macmillan on Thursday, 11/12/2020 @ 07:30am

Can someone please tell me what's MVP & LVP stands for & what does it mean?

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Thursday, 11/12/2020 @ 14:25pm

Sure, Navonte.

MVP: Most Valuable Player
LVP: Least Valuable Player

Posted by John Mangee on Thursday, 11/12/2020 @ 14:49pm

Hey The Dude,

I just realized with the exception of the class of 1991 and 2011, there seems to always be a musical artist referenced in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. The class contains 3 with T.Rex, Biggie Smalls, and Doobie Brothers. Now this is crazy talk even for me, but I found some artist that have yet to be inducted, but have been nominated. They have been referenced in the manga and anime series.
These are the bands
that have been nominated, but have not received induction:

Devo
Kraftwerk
J Geils Band

Some that have been considered:
King Crimson
Bad Company
Outkast
Foo Fighters
Oasis
Weird Al Yankovic

Thoughts? (Super coincidence, but an interesting thought. I hope I don't scare you on this weird theory . :) )

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 11/14/2020 @ 00:52am

Ok. Here is my MVP list
1986-Chuck Berry
1987-Aretha Franklin
1988-The Beatles
1989-The Rolling Stones
1990-The Who
1991-The Byrds
1992-Jimi Hendrix
1993-The Doors
1994-Elton John
1995-Led Zeppelin
1996-Pink Floyd
1997-Joni Mitchell
1998-Fleetwood Mac
1999-Bruce Springsteen
2000-Eric Clapton
2001-Michael Jackson
2002-Talking Heads
2003-The Police
2004-Prince
2005-The Pretenders
2006-Miles Davis
2007-R.E.M.
2008-John Mellencamp
2009-Metallica
2010-Genesis
2001-Alice Cooper
2012-Guns n'Roses
2013-Public Enemy
2014-Nirvana
2015-Stevie Ray Vaughan
2016-Chicago
2017-Pearl Jam
2018-The Moody Blues
2019-Def Leppard
2020- Whitney Houston

Future MVPs

2021-Jethro Tull
2022-Tina Turner

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/14/2020 @ 04:58am

Nomination Prediction. Inductees? To early for that. Let's see how close I get here.

Jay-Z
Duran Duran
Iron Maiden
Alanis
Kraftwerk
Bad Company
INXS
LL Cool J
Link Wray
Cher
Joy Division (not New Order)
Dolly Parton
Todd Rundgren
Oasis
Warren Zevon
Tina Turner

Posted by PublicRadioPunk on Saturday, 11/14/2020 @ 07:31am

My MVP List:
1986: Chuck Berry
1987: Marvin Gaye
1988: The Beatles
1989: The Rolling Stones
1990: Simon & Garfunkel
1991: The Byrds
1992: Johnny Cash
1993: Sly & The Family Stone
1994: John Lennon
1995: Frank Zappa
1996: David Bowie
1997: Crosby, Stills & Nash
1998: Eagles
1999: Billy Joel
2000: Earth, Wind & Fire
2001: Michael Jackson
2002: Ramones
2003: The Clash
2004: Prince
2005: U2
2006: Miles Davis
2007: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
2008: Madonna
2009: Wanda Jackson
2010: The Stooges
2011: Tom Waits
2012: Beastie Boys
2013: Public Enemy
2014: Nirvana
2015: Lou Reed
2016: Deep Purple
2017: 2Pac
2018: Sister Rosetta Tharpe
2019: Roxy Music
2020: Notorious B.I.G.

Posted by Ozmeow1900 on Saturday, 11/14/2020 @ 09:04am

@ Plebian

Actually that doesn't scare me at all. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Is like one of the biggest love letter to music fans. Dio Brando was named after the late and great Ronnie James Dio and the humanoid stand was named after Marilyn Manson. Those are the Rock Hall snubs that were referenced in the anime and manga other than some of the bands you've mentioned.

I still remember watching one series on YouTube called Bamboo Blade; Jimi Hendrix was mentioned once (who is of course in). Angel Beats is one of the most recent anime shows I've had seen on Netflix, and was a bit surprised Bob Dylan was mentioned once (who is also in).

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 11/14/2020 @ 10:12am

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees. Therefore, here it is once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.
08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already. So that we can clear the space for Tangerine Dream.
09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.
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10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

My Wildcard:

22. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exception of having a world class violinist (Robby Steinhardt) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees and get inducted. See also Rush.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Queen Latifah
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Shania Twain
Dolly Parton
Garth Brooks
Weezer
Phish
Styx

Personally, I happen to like the first nine artists on my list the most and of course- Kansas and think that they would make a great Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction class for 2021.

By the way, Philip, have you considered starting your own podcast?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/14/2020 @ 17:05pm

Ben and Plebian,

With the exceptions of Peter Gabriel, Chicago, Deep Purple and Electric Light Orchestra, I have included most of the important prog bands on this list. However, I had intended to highlight the sequential inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog, therefore I have not added those artists to this list.
Regarding: My MVP list:

1993- I would have chosen The Doors, or Cream.
1994
1995
1996- I would have chosen Jefferson Airplane, David Bowie, or Pink Floyd.
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002- I would have chosen Talking Heads.
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010- I would have chosen Genesis.
2011
2012
2013- I would have chosen Rush.
2014
2015
2016
2017- I would have chosen Yes.
2018- I would have chosen The Moody Blues.
2019- I would have chosen Roxy Music.
2020- I would have chosen Depeche Mode, or perhaps T. Rex- due to influence, also The Doobie Brothers are another possibility.

Future MVP's

2021- I would choose either Duran Duran, or Jethro Tull
2022- I would choose Supertramp
2023- I would choose King Crimson

Of course, I had been basing my list on my favorite artists, whose overall impact has been huge.

However, the most important artist who has ever actually been inducted (in my honest opinion) had been the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe, the godmother of Rock & Roll, without her- there is no Rock & Roll, also probably no prog, either.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/14/2020 @ 17:18pm

Enig,

It's been awhile since I've chatted directly with you. I've working and relaxing. I'm rather confused about your MVP list. I can understand starting with 1993. That had the Amazing Doors and Cream. Those early Doors albums are some of my fav albums. But why are sooo many years Blank. Oh wait I think I know why. Let me know. Your 1996 picks make a lot of sense. Ones like Jefferson Airplane and Pink Floyd make a lot of sense. 1997,1998,1999? You agree with alll those or something else. Let me know when you can

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/15/2020 @ 06:28am

Hey Ben,
Busy week for me.. finally get a day off. Responding to your comments on Enig's list, I believe he left those certain years blank because he agreed with Plebian's list for those years. Or at least that is what I gathered from his post, and I am sure he will clarify that soon. Will check back later. One thing I did want to bring up for debate was to possibly have a Prog/Jazz Fusion genre category for Rock Hall Projected, as both styles originated around the same time period in the mid to late 60's, forming from Rock, Folk, Jazz, Psychedelic, etc. and paralleled each other moving forward, and progressing through the 70's, 80's and 90's..
What do you think?

_____

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 11/15/2020 @ 09:14am

Ben,

I cannot disagree with any of your choices. I just simply had wanted to highlight the major "progressive" rock and "art rock" groups, therefore I have excluded many of the other artists. In 2014, I would have chosen Peter Gabriel, of course. In 2016, I would have chosen either Chicago, or Deep Purple. I had wanted to highlight the "holy trinity" of prog, that is why I had excluded artists from 2014, 2015 & 2016. Those inductions had been extremely important to me, as well as to the "prog" fan base in general. Roxy Music gets my nod, because Roxy Music, along with the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) opens up that now 18 lane wide highway for Duran Duran's nomination and induction. Why do I mention the "holy trinity" of prog so frequently? Because in my honest opinion, their music has been shown to have a healing power and appears to be divinely inspired, plus those artists have been extremely influential on previous inductees, as well as other artists in numerous other genres. In a nutshell, in my honest opinion, artists such as: Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues had made modern liturgical music which did not suck and the world is much better off because of it. Depeche Mode has also been accused of the same kind of thing. The live experience of seeing Rush in concert had been described in their documentary "Rush: Time Stand Still," in case you haven't seen it, I highly suggest doing so.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/15/2020 @ 09:52am

Y'all think John Prine could get in for 2021? Even after many months since his death, a lot of tributes been popping up. He might get another nomination and has respectable credibility. The true test is will he get in?

Thoughts, everyone?

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 11/15/2020 @ 12:55pm

Ben,

I cannot disagree with any of your choices. I just simply had wanted to highlight the major "progressive" rock and "art rock" groups, therefore I have excluded many of the other artists. In 2014, I would have chosen Peter Gabriel, of course. In 2016, I would have chosen either Chicago, or Deep Purple. I had wanted to highlight the "holy trinity" of prog, that is why I had excluded artists from 2014, 2015 & 2016. Those inductions had been extremely important to me, as well as to the "prog" fan base in general. Roxy Music gets my nod, because Roxy Music, along with the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) opens up that now 18 lane wide highway for Duran Duran's nomination and induction. Why do I mention the "holy trinity" of prog so frequently? Because in my honest opinion, their music has been shown to have a healing power and appears to have been divinely inspired, plus those artists have been extremely influential on previous inductees, as well as other artists in numerous other genres. In a nutshell, in my honest opinion, artists such as: Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues had made modern liturgical music which had not suckEd and the world has been much better off as a result of it. Depeche Mode has also been accused of the same kind of thing. The live experience of having seen Rush in concert had been described in their documentary "Rush: Time Stand Still." In case you haven't seen it, I highly recommend doing so.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/15/2020 @ 13:48pm

The Dude,

What's up. What you up to. I just want to elaborate on something you said. It's about Gen Xers liking the 80s more in music than the 90s. Something like that. I am 55 years old Right Now. As far as I know I was born just a few months after the Baby Boom ended. In any case I love 1970s and 80s Rock the most. I in fact was a young teenager a few years before MTV. It's When bands like Fleetwood Mac, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, The Who, Yes and the Steve Miller Band among others were huge. So i started with a lot of rock in the 70s and went into the 80s full speed. I was there when MTV started. Go-Gos, Duran Duran, The Cars, Pat Benatar became huge. Also Journey and Van Halen among my favs. But I actually do like some 90s. Heyy I like Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. I even like a tune or 2 from Green Day, Cranberries, etc. But you see in the 90s after awhile I branched off into Folk and Jazz. Thats a discussion for another time

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/16/2020 @ 04:59am

People born in the later 70s often get lumped with the earlier ones that like stuff primarily 80s. The 80s has a lot of good stuff, but my contemporary genre was pretty much the 90s. As a music fan, however, I am a fan of stuff from the 1920s all the way through and beyond the 2020s. I still listen to new stuff.

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 11/16/2020 @ 11:26am

Can't wait till my generation starts getting nods lol (2000s-2020s)!

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 11/16/2020 @ 14:10pm

Hey The Dude,

Can you make a compelling case for Foo Fighters? I love them, but I can't seem to describe what warrants them FYE. Lot of people are skeptical and do you know who they influenced? I'm unsure about this topic.

Would love what you think of them personally. :)

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 11/16/2020 @ 17:51pm

@ Plebian

They have a really good chance of getting inducted as an FYE. They're easily one of the most hard-working bands from the 90's with consistency who had never split up prematurely nor went on a lengthy hiatus. I agree it should happen. But with Dave Grohl on the Nom Com, it's possible he might hold out in favor of his peers and personal favorites for a while. He always have the good guy attitude.

If he decides to say "Not yet, guys," then we'll probably either get Soundgarden or Rage Against The Machine for the next class.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 11/16/2020 @ 19:56pm

To add to The Dude's comments on the Foo Fighters, I would argue that their chances are high because:

- They are easily the most critically acclaimed band of the post-grunge subgenre, and among the most commercially successful.

- They are one of the last mainstream rock bands (i.e. not indie rock or any other adjacent genre) to really be a significant part of the cultural zeitgeist, even having charting Hot 100 singles into the 2010s (an exceedingly rare feat in an era where rock music no longer charts).

- Dave Grohl is one of the most absurdly well-connected and well-liked people in the music industry, collaborating with a huge variety of both well-established and new artists.

Posted by RG on Monday, 11/16/2020 @ 21:28pm

If I were in charge and had no limits to the inductees

PERFORMERS
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Canned Heat
Joe Cocker
Johnny Winter
Johnny Rivers
Jefferson Starship
Tower of Power
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Jethro Tull
Motorhead
Soundgarden
Alice in Chains
Boston
The Smashing Pumpkins
They Might Be Giants
Jane's Addiction
The Smiths
Motley Crue
Iron Maiden
Dio
Pixies
Joy Division
Devo
The B-52's
R.E.O. Speedwagon

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass
Johnny Otis and His Orchestra
Chubby Checker
Chic
The Big Bopper
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
Iron Butterfly
Steppenwolf
Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Pat Benatar

SPECIAL COMMITTEE
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Steve Miller Band
The Patti Smith Group
The Jeff Beck Group
Crazy Horse
The Belmonts
Bob Welch
The Silver Bullet Band
The Revolution
The Wailers
The Mothers of Invention
Wings

EARLY INFLUENCE
Tommy Johnson
Ella Fitzgerald
The Glenn Miller Orchestra
Cab Calloway
Louis Prima
Bing Crosby
The Andrews Sisters
The McGuire Sisters
Scott Joplin
Mississippi John Hurt

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 11/17/2020 @ 01:58am

The Dude,
I agree with what you say about the Foo Fighters. With Dave Grohl on the Nom Com I think he will hold out in favor of his peers and personal favorites for awhile. I am actually predicting both Rage ATM and Soundgarden. Both very deserved. I know I'm more towards 70s and 80s but these are 2 90s I appreciate a lot. I also think Dave Grohl is pushing for Acts like Megadeth, Thin Lizzy and perhaps Blue Cheer. Yeah Blue Cheer. There's a heavy band of the 1960s. I think they came to rise in 1968 or so. He probably picked MC5 in recent years. I can see Dave Grohl going for Iron Butterfly, Blue Oyster Cult, Twisted Sister, Motley Crue and Suicidal Tendencies. In other words ones he grew up with..

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/17/2020 @ 03:54am

Been looking at some of the names that are connected to Seymour Stein. With Depeche Mode now in, I think he's gonna give another shot with the Smiths and might get inducted for the next class. If not, he might nominate the Dead Boys (who were on Sire Records) as a wild card pick. Seymour was also the Vice President of Warner Bros records, so I wouldn't be surprised if he could nominate Deftones. They just had a new album out, and they're also celebrating White Pony's 20th Anniversary with a remix album.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 11/17/2020 @ 15:51pm

Hmm..
The Smiths have lot of pros and cons to them
Pros-
-Incredibly influential and one of the top acts of the 1980s
-Have touched pop culture, having songs appear in 90s WB shows
-Morrissey and Johnny Marr, so we have some identifiable band members
-They have serious passion with critics, having been critically acclaimed in their entire run
-Have been nominated before 2 times
-With every passing year, The Smiths become more popular than they ever been since their inception

Cons-
-Morrissey; This man has a Big Mouth (pun not intended) and I would not be surprised if they get passed by again because of him
-Will the guys even show up? We know Morrissey will say no, but what about Johnny and the others? Are they all still bitter about suing each other?
-UK thing, but not a U.S. thing;Basically very acclaimed, but commercially not so good
-Though nominated again, I seriously doubt they will chart well in the fan vote (it does not matter, but regardless it should still be important)

They have a real 50/50 chance to get in or not.
Thoughts?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 11/18/2020 @ 02:24am

Ben,
I believe it was also Dave Grohl who had pushed for, and helped to get Devo a nomination, so you could possibly see them getting a return re- nomination in the near future.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 11/18/2020 @ 03:23am

Some others Dave Grohl could nominate for 2021. You said Devo
Also
Buzzcocks
Undertones? Maybe
The Jam
Billy Idol
Twisted Sister

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/18/2020 @ 08:12am

I wonder if the classes will start doing 6-7 from now on...more acts are coming and the 00s and 10s are starting to catch up. Granted, I don't expect the Rock Hall to induct literally EVERYBODY, but the list seems to grow everyday.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 11/18/2020 @ 11:45am

In the meantime, why don't we play a game, guys? Choose your wishlist of posthumous acts you want in the hall.
I'll start

Warren Zevon
John Prine
Jim Croce
Gram Parsons
Big Star

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 11/18/2020 @ 11:52am

Posthumous:

Peter Tosh
Jim Croce
Sublime (lead dude dead)
The Carpenters (Karen)
Johnny Cash

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 11/18/2020 @ 12:12pm

Johnny Cash is already in, Paul. Was that a mistake?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 11/18/2020 @ 13:02pm

Lots to choose from, but this would be my posthumous top 5:

Patsy Cline
Big Star
Peter Tosh
Soundgarden (Chris Cornell)
Joe Cocker

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 11/18/2020 @ 14:01pm

Must have been, Plebian! :-)

Glad he is in, though!

Toots & the Maytals then (Toots Hibbert being deceased)

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 11/18/2020 @ 14:49pm

To rehash an earlier fierce failing by the RRHOF, Peter Tosh should have been in 20 years ago with the rest of Bob Marley's crew...I totally agree on that one

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 11/19/2020 @ 00:03am

My posthumous choices are numerous, so I'll try to do a decade by decade:

Screamin Jay Hawkins 50s
Monkees 60s (Davy Jones and Peter Tork)
Kraftwerk 70s (Florian Schneider)
George Michael 80s
Alice in Chains 90s (Layne Staley)

The 90s is ridiculously tough and I didn't want to step on anyone else's lists..

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 11/19/2020 @ 00:10am

Isn't technically Alice In Chains still alive? They are still going strong with William Duvall. Same goes with Stone Temple Pilots.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 11/19/2020 @ 12:03pm

Layne Staley is not. He counts

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 11/19/2020 @ 17:41pm

Posthumous picks.. coming from a very large pool. Probably too large to do it justice, but interesting to ponder..

Patsy Cline
John Denver
Jim Croce
The Monkees (Davy and Peter)
Ronnie James Dio

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 11/19/2020 @ 19:49pm

Whoops, I forgot Lemmy and Motorhead for posthumous picks, and also Thin Lizzy with Phil Lynott and Gary Moore should get a mention.. Like I stated previously , this pool is very numerous..

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 11/19/2020 @ 19:55pm

Out of everyone's predictions that I have been seeing, Michael W's seems the most realistic. :)

Diverse in genre and of course more women. He applies to theory of two acts from each decade from the previous class. Though I wonder if Kraftwerk will finally reach the goal?
They got to be close by now wtf.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 11/20/2020 @ 02:43am

Posthumous picks.. This comes from so many choices.

John Denver
Joe Cocker
Jim Croce
John Prine
Soundgarden (Chris Cornell)

Posted by Ben on Friday, 11/20/2020 @ 03:53am

Hey FRL Regulars,

The Rock Hall Nominating Committee will be meeting in late January to select the 2021 nominees for induction and the ballots will be mailed in late February.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/20/2020 @ 11:40am

I think the Rock Hall should do something like the Oscars did with the special achievement awards and make a special ceremony. Have early influences, songwriters, producers, record executives, and maybe older acts of the 50s and 60s for the first ceremony, then do the real one in the second ceremony. Again, there maybe flaws, but I think this would work. We might even get 7 all the time and it would speed up a lot of snubs, so we won't hear the same old "How come so and so is not in?!" thing.

What do you guys think?

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 11/20/2020 @ 18:31pm

Plebian, I have touted that very idea. An "Industry Honors" annual ceremony that would induct everybody outside the main Performers category. Would clear all the backlog in those categories and allow the other ceremony to just be Performer focused with 7 or more inductees each year.

It's bizarre that the side categories generally get shafted simply because their isn't enough time at the annual ceremony. It has nothing to do with worthiness but everything to do with the six hours allotted for the ceremony and two to three hours for the HBO edit. No other Hall of Fame makes it decisions based solely on the length of time in a television special.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11/20/2020 @ 21:01pm

Robert Hilburn wants John Prine, Gram Parsons, Patsy Cline, Merle Haggard, P.J. Harvey, Kraftwerk, X, Los Lobos, Rage Against the Machine, Dr. Dre, OutKast, Beck, Kate Bush, Sting, Ice Cube, and New York Dolls inducted.

https://twitter.com/roberthilburn?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Afuturerocklgnds&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ffuturerocklegends.com%2F

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11/20/2020 @ 22:08pm

The Rock Hall Nominating Committee will be meeting in late January to select the 2021 nominees for induction and the ballots will be mailed in late February.

Also, The 2021 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony is scheduled for Saturday, October 30th, 2021 in Cleveland, Ohio.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/20/2020 @ 23:21pm

That's great! Now we wait...again.....

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 11/21/2020 @ 00:36am

richie,

You say the ballots will be mailed in late February. Soo the Announcement of 2021 Nominees will be around late March. Is that Right? That is in fact 6 months from the Nominee announcement we are used to. More or less

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/21/2020 @ 04:54am

No Ben, I believe nominees would be announced shortly before ballots are mailed. My money is on February 15th.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 11/21/2020 @ 08:26am

RG,

February 15th is a federal holiday in the US (It's President's Day over there), so I think the 2021 nominees will be announced on February 16th.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 11/21/2020 @ 09:43am

You guys should listen to this week's "Who Cares" podcast if you want some info on the 2020 live ceremony that might have been.

Some information on performances that had been booked:

- An opening performance tribute medley, with one song from each artist:
Miley Cyrus had been confirmed for NIN, Lauren Mayberry for Depeche Mode, Weezer for T. Rex. They really wanted The Chicks for The Doobie Brothers but they had a schedule conflict for the May date.

- Billy Idol inducts T. Rex. Billy Idol, Billy Joe Armstrong & Weezer perform.

- Luke Bryan inducts The Doobie Brothers, they perform.

- St. Vincent inducts Nine Inch Nails, they perform.

- Charlize Theron probably still would have inducted Depeche Mode, they perform.

- Jennifer Hudson, Ariana Grande, H.E.R. w/ The Roots as backing band perform for Whitney.

- Diddy inducts Notorious B.I.G, performers hadn't been confirmed other than The Roots as backing band.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 11/21/2020 @ 14:33pm

Oh Wow. Thats interesting what would have been. Those presenters all make sense. The performances would have made sense too. This is good info to know. Ok. Very good

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/21/2020 @ 14:47pm

2021 predictions-Thanksgiving edition

70s-
Chaka Khan/Rufus (Total of 6 Noms)
Bad Company (FYN)
Kraftwerk (6 Noms)
John Prine (1 Nom)
Big Star (FYN)
New York Dolls (1 Nom)

80s-
Eurythmics (1 Nom)
Pat and Neil (1 Nom)
The Gos-Gos (FYN)
B-52s (FYN)

90s-
RATM (2 Nom)
Soundgarden (1 Nom)
Smashing Pumpkins (FYN)

All Generational-
Tina Turner (FYN)
Motörhead (1 Nom)

00s-
Jay-Z (FYE)

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 00:20am

Let's face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. The 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame documentary had been okay. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have been great. As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G.did not impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees. Therefore, here it is once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.
Thank you'd go out to Michelle Bourgeois for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the "Hall Watchers Podcast."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already. So that we can clear the space for Tangerine Dream.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.
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10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

My Wildcard:

22. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exception of having a world class violinist (Robby Steinhardt) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees and get inducted. See also Rush.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Queen Latifah
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Shania Twain
Dolly Parton
Garth Brooks
Weezer
Phish
Styx

Personally, I happen to like the first nine artists on my list the most and of course- Kansas and think that they would make a great Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction class for 2021.

By the way, Philip, have you considered starting your own podcast?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 06:57am

Let's face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. The 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame documentary had been okay. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have been great. As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G.did not impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees. Therefore, here it is once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast: "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the "Hall Watchers Podcast: Prophets Without Honor"

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already. So that we can clear the space for Tangerine Dream.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.
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10. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
11. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
12. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
17. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
18. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
19. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
20. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
21. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

My Wildcard:

22. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exception of having a world class violinist (Robby Steinhardt) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Queen Latifah
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Shania Twain
Dolly Parton
Garth Brooks
Weezer
Phish
Styx

Personally, I happen to like the first nine artists on my list the most and of course- Kansas and think that they would make a great Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction class for 2021.

By the way, Philip, have you considered starting your own podcast?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 07:19am

Plebian,

Out of your latest picks for the 2021 nominees (The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, New York Dolls, John Prine, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner). Which ones do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 10:16am

Richie,

Probably...
Pat and Neil
Jay-Z
RATM
Tina Turner
Smashing Pumpkins
If 6: John Prine (My wild card pick)
If 7: Kraftwerk (At this point, I'm sure they are always close, but no cigar; I am hopeful this is their year)

Caspar, Michael W., RG, The Dude, Ben, Shrek, and Richie

What do you think?

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 10:35am

My thoughts on the direction of the next nominee class :
I think they'll stick with the 16 nominee length like last year; it's just more efficient than the longer lists.

In the past couple years the women on the nominating board were intent on concentrating on one big Classic Rock genre woman and then there were a few women from other genres - it worked to get Stevie Nicks in; we were pretty much all shocked when it didn't do the same for Pat Benatar. I expect she'll get another shot, but that they'll take a different philosophy and have more total women on the ballot than last year.

I think, while Little Steven is still on the board to champion older acts; we are unlikely to see any of his favorites. They humor him by letting him still do the singles category (and then promptly ignore them during the induction ceremony); but otherwise I think he has lost influence.

My predictions for this years class:

Pat Benatar - Having been passed over last year, I think she gets a second chance, but I also now feel she may take three nominations to actually get in like The Cars or Deep Purple did.

Kate Bush - still a very long shot with the voters; but I've felt I've seen a lot of increase in Kate Bush inspired pop artists in recent years which is improving her long term chances.

Mariah Carey - with Janet and Whitney now in, Mariah seems the next likely R&B diva to target. Recent media coverage has emphasized the fact she writes her own hits, which eliminates one of the big criticisms we usually hear about pop artists

Duran Duran - with the dam having burst for 80s MTV acts, Duran Duran's career iimpact is hard to overlook

Eurythmics - didn't get a second shot last year; but between the momentum for 80s acts and the push for more women, I think they get a shot again

Fela Kuti - one of the huge influences throughout the world in multiple genres. He is bound to be nominated at some point; I'm guessing this might be the year.

Foo Fighters - one of the last huge rock bands; a natural. And of course everybody loves Dave Grohl

Peter Frampton - just released his memoir, co-written by Alan Light who has been one of the most influential voices on the nominating committee in recent years

The Go-go's - if it doesn't happen this year, it might never happen

Jay-Z - just too obvious to ignore. His name has been circled on the future eligible since list for years

Judas Priest - will get a shot again without the competition from Motörhead and Thin Lizzy this time

Kraftwerk - should and will keep getting nominated until the voters get it right or the inside committees back door them in via a different category

LL Cool J - still the prototype that folks like Tupac, Biggie, and Jay-z were all following in the footsteps of

Alanis Morrisette - her profile has been on the rise, with a well reviews Broadway play and a new album that works as something of a middle aged sequel to her hit album Jagged Little Pill

Todd Rundgren - still has every characteristic you would generally expect from a HOF artist; still would be a great choice for a musical excellence induction due to his success as a producer and songwriter along with his performing

Soundgarden - The one big grunge era name that still needs to go in; will get a second shot.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 12:42pm

For inductees; I think they might only go with 5 in order to leave broadcast room at the ceremony for performances by the living 2020 acts who didn't get to perform this year: Doobies, NIN, and Depeche.

The five 2021 acts being: Mariah, Fela, Foos, Frampton and Jay-Z

Fela was loved by a lot of the Sixties and Seventies era HOF artists and is a huge critics favorite as well. Frampton is a guitar hero, which always is a big boost

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 12:49pm

Maybe they should do like 2020 and have 6 inductees, two from the 90's, two from the 80's, and two from the 70's.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 13:37pm

Shrek,

As much as I love Fela Kuti, I just don't see him going in as a Performer, I think that if he gets in, it will be as an Early Influence, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 13:48pm

My predictions for this year's nominees are:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Eurythmics
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 14:39pm

For Fela to go in as early influence, they'll have to change the meaning of that category; which there has been some chatter about.

But if he were nominated, I see him as having the same sort of voting base as Nina Simone - a cross section of love from classic 60s era rockers, R&B stars, and a good subset of more modern performers, and plenty of critics support. But he wouldn't be a factor in the fan vote or with the more hard rockers or some of the less innovative commercial rock acts.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 15:47pm

I think that the Rock Hall should split the Performer category into two categories just like the Country Music Hall of Fame does, The Country Music Hall of Fame inducts only three people a year (one Veteran act, one Modern act and one from the rotating categories (Non-Performer, Songwriter and Musician), I think that the Rock Hall should split the Performer category into two categories (Veterans and Modern) just like the Country Hall does.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 16:00pm

That's a good idea that could work well. They could induct 3 veteran acts and 3 modern acts or maybe 4 veteran and 4 modern.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 16:49pm

As much as I love Foo Fighters, I just don't see them as FYE nominees/inductees, I think that there are other 90's bands like Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden and Smashing Pumpkins that should and will go in first ahead of them as far as 90's bands go, Foo Fighters are more of a 2000's band than a 90's band, plus they never really had a time period where they got consistent high critical praise which is something all first-year nominees usually have, if they get nominated/inducted FYE this year, it will be thanks to their long-term popularity and Dave Grohl in general, I think that Dave Grohl will tell the nominating committee to nominate others before nominating his band, I do think that once Foo Fighters get nominated, they'll get voted in on their first ballot appearance but not FYE, if Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead and Rage Against The Machine couldn't get in FYE, then I doubt Foo Fighters can despite their popularity and Dave Grohl being one of the most beloved figures in Rock and all of Music, so I really think that this year will be either Rage Against The Machine, Smashing Pumpkins or Soundgarden's year for induction as far as 90's bands go following Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam, Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails. I do think that Foo Fighters will get in in the next few years but not this year FYE.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 18:17pm

For further explanation on my predicted class:

John Prine (He is the sympathy vote; His death from the pandemic was shocking and I would not be surprised if the Hall does votes on him)
Pat Benatar (Bring female power to the class and was actually super close in the vote. Maybe she will cross the finish line)
Smashing Pumpkins (I'm sure Dave Grohl and Tom Morello want to sit out for now, so the best 90s rock band in top priority to get in is Billy Corgan's. Influence? Check. Cultural Impact? Check. Critically Acclaimed? Check.)
Tina Turner (I'm sure the Hall wants to make amends on this one and not only would this count her solo work, but her sidemen work and her time with Ike Turner all in one)
Big Star (I originally had RATM, but Tom Morello probably wants to sit when the time is right. Big Star are super influential and have been shown to gain popularity in pop culture thanks to that 70s Show and movies like Stargirl. Alex Chilton can finally be enshrined in the Hall for real. )
Jay-Z (Lol do I really need to explain this one?)

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 23:24pm

The reason you think Foos are "more of a 2000s band than a 90s band is the biggest argument in their favor. Their music has remained relevant and their new music is still getting played, while Pumpkins new music gets routinely ignored and of course Soundgarden and Rage no longer make new music. But Foos did release 3 Platnum albums and chart 8 songs on the Alternative charts (7 on Mainstream Rock chart) with 1 of those being their first pop top 40 hit (of three) during the second half of the 90s. So they are very much a major 90s band; but from the second half of the decade rather than the more heralded early 90s period.

As far as critics reception; none of their studio albums really got bad reviews; most were generally positive but not year end best of list type responses. Only their debut really got pretty big raves. They're like the kings of the 3.5 star Rolling Stone reviews.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 11/22/2020 @ 23:27pm

Here's all the predictions for the 2021 nominees made by Rock Hall Watchers so far:

Charles Crossley Jr.: - The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Devo, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, MC5, Motorhead, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Smashing Pumpkins and Tina Turner.

Zoot Marimba: - Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, The Monkees, New York Dolls, John Prine, Todd Rundgren, Sonic Youth, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

AlexVoltaire: - The B-52's, Mary J. Blige, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, New York Dolls, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Sonic Youth, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

Nick Bambach: - The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, Harry Nilsson, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Gil Scott-Heron and Tina Turner.

Now, Out of all of the predictions made by Rock Hall Watchers so far, Which one do you guys think is the most realistic?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 00:30am

Since we're all reposting our picks, I'll go with mine. I really haven't wavered in who I think will be nominated, for the pure and simple reason that it's mostly a crapshoot; there are 75 or so acts that could well get picked. Some of us are going on a gut feeling, some are trying to follow trends, yet others are setting up a personal wishlist. I do a combination of the 3, but as I recall I have had some success with my picks before...we will see if it holds true, here's my list again:

K-Dawg's Final Predictions List (odd that the Hall still hasn't officially enshrined the class of 2020):

1. Bad Company-a band talked about for years of being omitted. Paul Rodgers. Need you say more?
2. Alice in Chains-My gut says that they will waffle between the 2 remaining Seattle grunge bands. Both are worthy.
3. Jay Z- FYE, and from a producing and performing standpoint, a proverbial giant in the industry
4. Kraftwerk-I hold to the hope the Hall will not shunt the Godfathers of Electronic and countless genres into Musical Influence
5. Pat Benatar-Her nom and snub last year did not sit well with rock purists. She will be a perennial nominee until she is in
6. The Smashing Pumpkins-Now that NIN has gone in, look for them to turn to another seminal 90s act who has a huge following, and maybe this can be the motivation to reunite the original cast
7. Tina Turner-while I am not a fan of multiple inductions mainly because it tends to take away a spot from a ridiculously large backlog, Tina's career is too big to ignore and she does deserve to be honored independent from Ike and their supposedly abusive relationship
8. Foreigner-the token 70s pop rock band of the year, but these guys are deserving of getting in.
9. Duran Duran-New wave has been getting its due in recent years, and it's time for DD to get its love. Lockstep in many eyes with Depeche Mode as the most deserving and now that Depeche is in, they also should give prog fans a little jolt
10. Motley Crue-Last year's shocking omission, the Crue will be the talk of much speculation
11. The Monkees-My perennial choice, because one year I hope they will give them the due they deserve. There aren't many 60s acts that are remaining that have been overlooked, and they are at the very top
12. Iron Maiden-As I've said before, I think they will alternate the metal heavyweights back and forth with Judas Priest, and either one really is deserving
13. The B52s-They've picked up a lot of steam in conversations, and they are an appealing band to a huge number of different groups
14. The Eurythmics-David A. Stewart and Annie Lennox are tailormade for an induction; their careers, both solo and in tandem, are the thing of legend
15. Mariah Carey-Part of me thinks the Hall might make her wait a year or two, but with Janet and Whitney going back to back, there's definitely a shot of Ms. Carey getting her due ahead of a couple other worthy female pop acts who predate her
16. The Commodores-My other shot in the dark, since the Spinners and Meters are ignored year after year (and I'm a huge Spinners proponent and have been for a decade), Lionel Richie may be an appealing choice for the Nom Com
17. Rage Against the Machine-Tom Morello's group will be back in the spotlight this year. If not for actual enshrinement, at least for political notoriety in an election year
18. Dave Mathews Band-They got ditched and broke the fan kiosk trend, so they'll be returning. Bet on it.
19. Todd Rundgren-3rd time is the charm for the talented songwriter, or will he take the vaunted ME cat?
20. Snoop Dogg-One year I'll get this right. He is overlooked, and while his influence on pop culture has extensively been beyond his music catalog, he does close the door on the West Coast juggernauts of rap until Eminem becomes eligible in a couple years

What do you think? Yes, I know I omitted Foo Fighters. That was not an accident

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 02:06am

Plebian,

That's a pretty good batch of nominees and it would be tough to vote for just five from that group. That being said, if your predictions for the nominees is correct, I could see the next batch of inductees being:

Jay-Z
Pat & Neil
Tina Turner
RATM
The B-52's
If 6: Smashing Pumpkins
If 7: Kraftwerk

The three big 90's bands could cancel each other out a bit, but I think Rage would get a lot of support in the current political climate. Kraftwerk, Big Star, and Prine would face a tough road with so many better known artists on the ballot.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 09:46am

Out of all the predictions that I've seen from Rock Hall Watchers on here and other sites, I think that Steve Z's predictions (Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, The Smiths, Soundgarden and Weezer) are the most realistic IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 09:51am

richie,

Of the RockHall Watchers lists you posted, Alex Voltaire's seems to me to be the most realistic. I think he's got the best mix of genres and eras out of those four. He does have 9 out of 16 artists receiving their first nomination, which is more than they usually do, but other than that it's a pretty realistic ballot.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 10:11am

I think the biggest backlog is in the hard rock and heavy metal.
1. Iron Maiden 2. Judas Priest 3. Motley Crue 4. Motorhead 5. Ozzy 6. Scorpions. You could have all 6 on the ballot and most people wouldn't blink. Now, you will be lucky to have 2 or 3 on this year's ballot. Motley Crue again is at the top of the kiosk. It's time for a nomination.
Foreigner is a group I should have included in the 2020-2021 list but moved to 2021-2022. They had some big time hits and multiple platinum albums. Urgent is a Classic as well as the 4 album. Lou Gramm and Mick Jones are respected musicians in the industry. They have also had some good musicians over the years that deserve inductions.
I don't see what's special about Alex Voltaire's list. There's no Bad Company, Diana Ross, Iron Maiden, Pat Benatar, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. I think Mary J. Blige and Sonic Youth as nominees down the road but not 2021. People are sleeping on Diana Ross as a nomination. She has sold millions of albums and could do some traditional pop some disco, R&B, and would have the votes. Tina Turner is 81 now and I believe still in Switzerland. With her advancing age, this pandemic COVID-19 stuff and travel restrictions, it would be difficult for her to fly over here.
Of the 1970's rock groups, I could see Bad Company and Blue Oyster Cult or Bad Company and Foreigner. BOC for some reason has to fight through the storm. I think they have an excellent chance. They are respected musicians and wrote intelligent lyrics. Also, had some platinum albums and some Classic songs. Burning For You and Don't Fear The Reaper are Classic songs. Godzilla is well-known. They also fill in plenty of boxes. Hard Rock, Metal, Progressive. I think Lenny Kravitz is another artist people hfor some reason are not giving enough nomination attention. He has a collection of great and memorable songs. Again, Fly, Heaven Help, It's Not Over Until It's Over, Let Love Rule, etc. He's in his mid 50's so that would be right in line with some other nominees. Kravitz is a unique artist with some commercial success.
Of the 5 lists Richie presented, I like Charles Crossley Jr's List. Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Pat Benatar, Smashing Pumpkins outstanding selections. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 11:55am

Here's all the predictions for the 2021 nominees by Rock Hall Watchers on this site:

The Dude: - Pat Benatar, Boston, Buzzcocks, Mariah Carey, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Mott The Hoople/Ian Hunter, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, The Smiths, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Dionne Warwick.

RG: - Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Cher, Duran Duran, Marianne Faithfull, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren and Soundgarden.

KING: - Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Lenny Kravitz, LL Cool J, Motley Crue, The Offspring, Gram Parsons/Emmylou Harris, Procol Harum, Rage Against The Machine, Diana Ross, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Scorpions, Smashing Pumpkins and Soundgarden.

Michael W.: - The B-52's, Bad Company, Beck, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Joe Cocker, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Cyndi Lauper, LL Cool J, Motorhead, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

K Dawg: - Alice In Chains, The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Mariah Carey, The Commodores, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Foreigner, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, The Monkees, Motley Crue, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren, Smashing Pumpkins, Snoop Dogg and Tina Turner.

remy10: - The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, New York Dolls, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, The Smiths, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

Will N.: - The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, The Commodores, The Go-Go's, The Guess Who, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Joy Division/New Order, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, Willie Nelson, New York Dolls, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Smashing Pumpkins and Soundgarden.

Darren: - Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, MC5, Motorhead, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

Steve Z: - Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, The Smiths, Soundgarden and Weezer.

Ben: - The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, The Guess Who, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Megadeth, Motorhead, Mott The Hoople, John Prine, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Tina Turner.

Ozmeow1900: - Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, New York Dolls, OutKast, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Sade, Soundgarden, Tina Turner and Warren Zevon.

Plebian (Current): - The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, New York Dolls, John Prine, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

Shrek: - Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Fela Kuti, Foo Fighters, Peter Frampton, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, Alanis Morissette, Todd Rundgren and Soundgarden.

Now, Out of all of the predictions made by Rock Hall Watchers so far on this site, Which one do you guys think is the most realistic?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 13:06pm

Will throw my noms in:

Alice in Chains, The B-52s, Beck, Pat Benatar, Mariah Carey, The Commodores, The Damned, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, LL Cool J, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, OutKast, John Prine, Soundgarden, Tina Turner, Weezer, Jay Z.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 13:46pm

My prediction:

Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Carole King
Kraftwerk
Rufus/Chaka Khan
New York Dolls
Soundgarden
Jethro Tull
The Go-Go's
Eurythmics
Phish
Willie Nelson
Kool and The Gang
Judas Priest
Thin Lizzy
Big Star
Mariah Carey

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 14:07pm

Thanks for compiling those lists, Richie. I thought I would aggregate them (plus a few posted here that you didn't include) to see what the general consensus was and how all of our predictions line up.

Unanimously Predicted (21/21 lists):
Jay-Z

20/21:
Kraftwerk

19/21:
Pat Benatar

17/21:
Soundgarden

15/21:
Tina Turner

13/21:
The Go-Go's, Judas Priest

12/21:
The B-52's, Eurythmics, Rufus w/ Chaka Khan

11/21:
Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, Rage Against the Machine

10/21:
Bad Company, Jethro Tull

(If this were accurate to a nominee class of 16, every artist above this line would be on the ballot.)

9/21:
Motorhead

8/21:
Kool & the Gang, New York Dolls, Todd Rundgren

7/21:
Smashing Pumpkins

5/21:
Iron Maiden, John Prine, Mariah Carey

4/21:
Big Star, LL Cool J, MC5, Thin Lizzy, Willie Nelson

3/21:
Commodores, Kate Bush, OutKast, The Smiths, Tommy James & the Shondells

2/21:
Alice In Chains, Beck, The Guess Who, The Monkees, Motley Crue, Joy Division/New Order, Mott the Hoople, Procol Harum, Sade, Sonic Youth, Weezer

One List Only:
Alanis Morissette, The Bangles, Boston, Buzzcocks, Carly Simon, Carole King, Cher, Cyndi Lauper, The Damned, Devo, Diana Ross, Dionne Warwick, Fela Kuti, Foreigner, Gil-Scott Heron, Gram Parsons/Emmylou Harris, Harry Nilsson, Joe Cocker, Lenny Kravitz, Marianne Faithfull, Mary J Blige, Megadeth, The Offspring, Peter Frampton, Phish, Scorpions, Snoop Dogg, Warren Zevon

Posted by RG on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 16:36pm

Incidentally, if the aggregate ended up being correct and the ballot was -

Bad Company, The B-52's, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Pat Benatar, Rage Against the Machine, Rufus w/ Chaka Khan, Soundgarden, & Tina Turner -

Ben would have gotten the most right with 13/16, only missing Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, & Go-Go's. Though granted his list is 20 slots instead of 16.

Posted by RG on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 17:08pm

RG,

Thanks for compiling, out of everyone on that list I think it would be

Bad Company
Tina Turner
Pat Benatar
RATM
Jay-Z
If 6: Kraftwerk
If 7: Foo Fighters

Definitely high in diversity of genre and of course person of color. More women in the ballot, only 2 maybe 3 can get in, but we are seeing progress. Baby steps people, baby steps.

Just my opinion obviously, but great work on doing this. Who was second and third place behind Ben?

Ben,

Wow! You are pretty close man! Congrats!

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 18:34pm

Greg F,

Out of your predictions for the 2021 nominees (Big Star, Mariah Carey, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Carole King, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Willie Nelson, New York Dolls, Phish, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Tina Turner). Which ones do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 18:35pm

Out of mine probably

The Go-Go's
Tina Turner
Kraftwerk
Judas Priest
Soundgarden
Jay-Z

If 7: Kool and The Gang

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 20:00pm

Is 2021 the year the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame will officially shutout 50s-60s artists for nomination? They better not!!

Roy Brown * Wynonie Harris * The Ravens * Carter Family * The Mills Brothers * The Monkees * Jan & Dean * Chubby Checker * Johnny Burnette and The Rock 'N Roll Trio * The Kingston Trio * Ben E. King * Mary Wells * The Marvelettes * The Spinners * Willie Nelson * Judy Collins * Peter, Paul and Mary

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11/24/2020 @ 00:56am

Roy,

Let it go man.
This maybe the first ceremony not to have 50s and 60s artists. The well is very dry up.
Though with hopefulness, John Skyes might began a second ceremony for those beloved acts of yours.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 11/24/2020 @ 01:01am

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my honest opinion, the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G.did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever. Also, I will make no apologies for my list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees. Therefore, here it is once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also "Hall Watchers Podcast," 'Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall.'

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the "Hall Watchers Podcast'" 'Prophets Without Honor.'

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exception of having a world class violinist (Robby Steinhardt) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Personally, I happen to like these first nine artists and Kansas the most and think that they would make a great Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction class for 2021.

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But, the Rock Hall sometimes has their own opinions, which may run counter to yours and mine. Therefore, I will mention the following artists as other possibilities:

11. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
12. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
13. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
14. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind, whom Rush had toured with during their earlier days.
15. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
16. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
17. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
18. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
19. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
20. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
21. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
22. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

These are still other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Beck
Oasis
Queen Latifah
Carole King (as a solo artist)
Shania Twain
Dolly Parton
Garth Brooks
Weezer
Phish
Styx

By the way, Philip, have you considered starting your own podcast?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 11/24/2020 @ 01:58am

Nicely compiled, Richie, but did you omit your own choices in that list?

I might attempt something I haven't seen done. I might do a ranking list of the current inductees of the RRHOF from worst to best, which I will warn you, don't get offended because I am not the most well-versed on probably a third of the artists, mostly from the 50s and 60s as it was before my time. Should I attempt it? Thoughts appreciated...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 11/24/2020 @ 04:06am

Hey guys! Around Christmas time, I'm gonna start on a 12 days of Christmas of sorts on Rock Hall snubs that have not been nominated. So stay tune for that in the future!

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 11/24/2020 @ 14:57pm

FOLK-PROG-JAZZ-ROCK-R&B

FOLK

01. The Kingston Trio
02. Peter, Paul and Mary
03. Judy Collins

PROG

01. Jethro Tull
02. King Crimson
03. Emerson, Lake and Palmer

JAZZ-ROCK-R&B

01. Blood, Sweat & Tears
02. Kool & The Gang
03. The Commodores

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11/24/2020 @ 19:46pm

Roy,

Enough already about the 50s at least. The Well is Dry. I don't even know who Wynonie Harris is. And the Ravens I really don't know either. And any other 50s is out of the question. This is 2020. Thinbgs change.
The 60s is still possible. But Chubby Checker, Mary Wells and the Marvelettes among others are weak too, Chubby Checker had hits roughly 1960-62. The Marvelettes had a bunch of hits throughout the 1960s.hits like the Hunter Gets captured by the Game are fine. Now artists that emerged 1966-1969 still have a shot Perhaps. These would be Judy Collins, Peter, Paul & Mary, Procol Harum, The Monkees, Blood,Sweat &Tears,Paul Revere & the Raiders, Tommy & the Shondells, the Turtles, the Guess Who, MC5, Quicksilver Messenger Service and Steppenwolf. Those are them. So what we have is that the Well is Dry thru 1965. The Late 60s are still Viable. I can agree with that.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 04:28am

Yeah there's not that many acts from 50's left. For me Johnny Burnette & The Rock and Roll Trio, Connie Francis, Link Wray and The Chantels are the only ones from the 50's that need to be inducted. Wynonie Harris, Roy Brown, Carter Family, The Mills Brothers and The Ravens would be good early influence candidates.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 08:14am

I could add Chubby Checker to that list. I don't know if he would accept, but it seems it would be a shame to have him be another posthumous induction (sort of like Lou Reed, Donna Summer, etc.).

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 08:29am

I could add Chubby Checker to that list. I don't know if he would accept, but it seems it would be a shame to have him be another posthumous induction (sort of like Lou Reed, Donna Summer, etc.).

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 08:40am

Greg F.,
Exactly there's Not many acts from 50s left. To me the 50s is part of my Dad's era. He talked sometimes about the 50s. The 50s are Dead and gone. I know soo very little about the 50s. But the 60s could still be Viable. The ones Roy said are Not the Viable one. Maybe the Monkees. The ones I Iisted like Procol Harum, Blood,Sweat & Tears, Tommy James & the Shondells and the Guess Who are very viable to me. These acts were very active 1966-1969. I am in fact predicting the Guess Who as a 2021 nominee. And ohh yes MC5 have been nominated the last few years. They charted with Kick Out the Jams in 1969. So they count as 60s. And there is also Steppenwolf, Blue Cheer and Vanilla Fudge. There are a bunch of 60s acts. Soo How about the 60s??

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 09:58am

I recently unveiled a new project on my site: The Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project. I published the Introduction and 100-91 last Sunday. The Introduction outlines the logic and methodology of the Project, which will help readers understand what I'm trying to do here. I also revealed the first 10 artists ranked 100-91. New blogs will be released every weekend until probably mid-to-late January. Although I kinda didn't plan it this way, but this Project does allow RHWs not only something to look forward to (especially considering this is our "offseason" as we wait for the 2021 nominees). Let me know what you think of it so far.

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsprojectintroduction

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject100-91

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 10:38am

The 60s have some acts left that need induction. The sixties are about done imo. In my opinion The Monkees, Tommy James and The Shondells, The Guess Who, Steppenwolf, Dick Dale, Jan and Dean, Lesley Gore, Neil Sedaka, MC5, The Marvelettes and Procol Harum are some acts from that need to be in.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 14:19pm

I'd love to see Herman's hermits get some consideration, but you're mostly right

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 15:18pm

And Harry Nilsson.

Posted by joker on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 15:35pm

Don't forget about The 13th Floor Elevators. Another snub from the 60's.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 15:38pm

remy10,

Out of your predictions for the 2021 nominees (The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, New York Dolls, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, The Smiths, Soundgarden and Tina Turner). Which ones do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 16:53pm

Most of those 60s-era names will be featured in my project. Tommy James was just spotlighted in it. He even liked one of the tweets I was tagged in on Twitter which is very cool and unexpected.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 17:29pm

For 50s we only have:
Link Wray
Chuck Willis

These two acts in my opinion would be a great end to having 50s acts represented in the main ballot.

For 60s is a bit tricky, but some are deserving:
MC5
Dick Dale
The Marvelettes
The Sonics
Silver Apples
Steppenwolf
Tommy James and the Shondells
The Monkees
Procol Harum
Jan and Dean
The Monkees
Harry Nilsson
Mary Wells
Esther Phillips

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 18:59pm

Nick,

I almost follow your whole project. But please I beg you. Tell me what RHW is. I guess It's Rock Hall and something with W. Let me know.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 19:04pm

Ben,
RHW = Rock Hall Watcher

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 19:10pm

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with the passing of Neil Peart and the end of Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the ridiculous cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of Prog Magazine and the disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest. I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait , in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy) and the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G.did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever. Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also "Hall Watchers Podcast," 'Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall.'

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: 'Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcards:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exception of having a world class violinist (Robby Steinhardt) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

The other 10:

11. Weezer

12. Kool & The Gang

13. Joy Division/New Order

14. Motörhead

15. John Prine

16. The Go-Gos

17. Thin Lizzy

18. Jay Z.

19. Dave Matthews Band

20. Willie Nelson

Personally, I happen to like these first ten artists the most and think that they would make a great Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction class for 2021. As many of you are very well-aware, I am for the most part, an aficionado of progressive rock and prog adjacent enthusiast.

Now as far as narrowing my overall list down to 16 nominees is concerned, it is as hard as heck therefore I will give you 20, instead. Each year, the respective backlog of iconic artists grows and the list of newly eligible acts grows also. The list of artists which I am less than enthusiastic about will follow in another post.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 22:03pm

My previous post had elucidated my favorite inductee choices.

However, the Rock Hall Nominating Committee members often have their own opinions, which may run counter to yours and mine. Therefore, I will mention the following artists as being other possibilities:

11. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.

12. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.

13. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind, whom Rush had toured with during their earlier days.

14. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.

15. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. They should get in.

16. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.

17. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to finally get on the map.

18. The Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be much more inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.

19. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is important to the younger generation.

20. Weezer- I really do not know much about this band, at all. Personally, I would probably prefer Kate Bush, Eurythmics, or perhaps the B-52s.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 22:15pm

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and the end of the 52 year long entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the ridiculously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and three months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest. I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy) and the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G.did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever. Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also "Hall Watchers Podcast," 'Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall.'

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: 'Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exception of having a world class violinist (Robby Steinhardt) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 23:00pm

Plebian,

I think you change your mind somewhat. From Let it go man on 50s and 60s to having a some 60s still on the ballot. You said the Well is Very dry up. With the 50s the Well is very dry up. When you say for it's a bit tricky do you mean 60s acts can be on ballots a few more years. Your 60s list is good. The 60s are different than the 50s. The 60s are old enough but still Viable. The 60s were in turbulent times and the hippies emerged. I definitely agree with MC5,Steppenwolf
Tommy James and the Shondells
The Monkees
Procol Harum
The Monkees
Harry Nilsson
Esther Phillips
And I feel strongly about Blood, Sweat & Tears and the Guess Who.

I think it will be the first Ceremony not to have 50s. But the 60s will continue in Ceremonies a few more years. The 60s is a different scenario. What are your thoughts Plebian? Take Care. Do you agree?

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/25/2020 @ 23:47pm

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and for the most part- the end of the nearly 52 year old entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the outrageously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and 3 months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest (at least, Red Lobster had kept the Lobster Lover's Dream on the menu).

I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy) and the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G.did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever. Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 11/26/2020 @ 00:30am

Ben,

Yeah, I changed my mind. Not much from the 50s is up for grabs. 60s still has plenty, but John Skyes wanting to move on from that decade is a bit concerning. Stevie Van Zandt clearly cares for this decade a lot. I would not be surprised if that speculated second ceremony happens just for the leftover acts. Or you know have one 60s artist on the main ballot.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 11/26/2020 @ 00:40am

I did some research on what was the last fifties act to be inducted (not counting ME or EI) and it appears The Flamingos and Ritchie Valens were the last ones to be inducted from that era. All the way back to 2001.

Thoughts everybody?

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 11/26/2020 @ 00:56am

Plebian,

Actually the last fifties act to be inducted was Little Anthony &the Imperials.. That was back in 2009. 2 of my favs were Inducted that year with Jeff Beck and Metallica. That's what I was interested in. I have very little interest in 50s at all But I remember the Class. I have watched all the Ceremonies rather consistently since 1999. I missed the 2009 Ceremony. I was early in my relationship with my Girlfriend. We are still together Now. Anyway I remember the acts of interest were Jeff Beck, Metallica and Run DMC. But Little Anthony was inducted too. I know who they are because Old relatives played them all the time. I think Little Anthony started around 1958. I think. But there has been no more 50s since 2009.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11/26/2020 @ 03:26am

Procol Harum is 1 of the biggest snubs as a pioneer in Progressive Rock and owner of 1 of the greatest and most enduring songs A Whiter Shade Of Pale. Just about every member was a musical virtuoso. Gary Brooker is still alive and hopefully receives the honor while he is still alive. Robin Trower is also deserving as 1 of the most respected guitarists of his generation in Procol Harum and after. Indeed, Procol Harum is still around today. 50+ years after its debut. Music can be divided into Before Procol Harum and After Procol Harum. My guess Procol Harum is just a little unlucky. The late 1960's and early 70's was a fountain of incredible bands. Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Moody Blues, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, etc. They let the music do the talking as it should be. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 11/26/2020 @ 08:25am

KING QUESTION OF THE DAY! Thanksgiving November 26. Taking out his politics, do you believe Ted Nugent deserves Rock And Roll HOF consideration and induction? KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 11/26/2020 @ 08:30am

Ted Nugent had some good stuff. He is not HOF worthy

If you ask a rock purist, he "ROCKS" and should have been in years ago. I watched some Damn Yankees live concerts, and it's great music, but he comes off as a total jerk (using the nicest word I can and that's a huge stretch). The man can play his guitar, but his catalog is just "MEH" beyond Stranglehold, which is a beautiful 8 minute song...

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 11/26/2020 @ 10:47am

King,

That's certainly right about Procol Harum. I think every member maybe was a music virtuoso. They are from the same era that brought great bands like the Moody Blues, The Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, Traffic, etc. Procol Harum have been a bit cheated.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11/26/2020 @ 13:23pm

BEN
Have a great Thanksgiving! I hope they select Procol Harum this 2021 Nomination cycle. Brilliant music like going to theatre or opera. Elevated music to a higher level. I can't remember if you decided to include Blood, Sweat, & Tears on your final Nominations list. I liked Nick's new top 100 list. He had the first 10 100-91. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 11/26/2020 @ 14:24pm

I like the discussion recently about the 1950's and 1960's possible inductees. Some that I would nominated and induct include:
1. Procol Harum
2. The Sonics
3. The Guess Who
4. Steve Winwood
5. Tommy James
6. The Marvelettes
Jennifer made a good presentation about Herman's Hermits I think last year. I'd have to think about them.
The Sonics is a group that would receive induction if nominated. They were definitely before their time. I love their sound. They rocked! I saw 1 of their concerts a few years ago...I believe they were in Seattle. It nearly blew the roof off sonically. They had some different artists join them. Think Eddie Vedder dropped by too. Little Steven was also in 1 of their shows playing. They probably would have the votes. The Marvelettes also appear to be respected and deserving. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 11/26/2020 @ 14:38pm

King,

I decided not to include Blood, Sweat & Tears on my final nominations list. I left them off in favor of the Guess Who. I feel the Guess Who have a slight edge with Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings both in the Guess Who. And I do NOT think the Hall will pick 2 from the 60s. The 60s are still Viable but they are not in the Game as much as 1970s,80s and On. Now where is Nick's New Top 100 list. Is there a blog? I know its the installment 100-91. But where is that??

Posted by Ben on Friday, 11/27/2020 @ 03:52am

King,

NO Worries about Nick's new list. I found the links. I read them. He has a Nice Introduction with rules like what is Rock. Like he says Rock split into many directions even during the 1960s. There was the British Invasion rock, R&B/Soul was on the rise with Motown and others. Psychedelia exploded around 1966 and 67. And that was in the 60s. In the 70s lots more Sub genres developed like Glam rock and Prog. He says something like that. And in the 1980s and 90s came synthesizers and turntables. I saw Nick's 100-91. I have considered some of those. I noticed Tracy Chapman and Tommy James& the Shondells. It's coool

Posted by Ben on Friday, 11/27/2020 @ 04:28am

Thanks Ben, I'm glad you're liking it so far. Glad the Introduction worked well because I wanted to outline my logic for the Project. The next installment (90-81) will be released very soon, possibly as soon as later tonight.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 11/27/2020 @ 09:43am

NICK
I've enjoyed 100-91 in the Series. Would have placed Alice In Chains and Billy Idol higher. Top 50 range for KING but I can't argue any of the other choices. The Carpenters are interesting as they influenced a broad spectrum of music artists. Partial to Close To You. Will have a chance for Induction. Liz Phair had a flashy and splashy start Exile In Guyville and it didn't hurt she was attractive and sexy. I voted for Liz Phair a couple of years ago. She was on the ballot here on the FRL Projected Hall. However, Liz didn't have enough support. Brook Benton! I've nominated a couple of his songs in the Year Votes and early Rock era here but not much support. You are right he's underrated. In the 60's, he had some nice hits. I figured Squeeze would show up as you have nominated Squeeze a few times and had a few of their songs inducted. I would agree Black Coffee In Bed and Tempted are excellent songs. Deserved higher chart positions. I think The Bangles would have been nominated already had they not broken up for about a decade. The Bangles probably will be nominated and inducted next 5-10 years. They had numerous hits "Manic Monday" "Walk Like And Egyptian" "Hazy Shade Of Winter". The "Hazy Shade Of Winter" is a KING FAV. Also, they were 1 of the few all-women groups at that time with commercial success and classic hits. Your list has a good diversity and mix of artists...Women and African-American artists plus Alice In Chains and Billy Idol. Some heavier music artists too. Can't wait to see the next installment. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 11/27/2020 @ 10:32am

Nick,

This is Cool. And I can see which ones are on my 2021 prediction list. Or ones I'm predicting for 2022 and 23. That Tracy Chapman pick and also Squeeze are ones I hadn't thought of for the next few years. Tracy Chapman may be 5+ years from now on a ballot. There is lots of other singer/songwriters to go ahead of her IMO. Ahh but Squeeze. They are an overlooked New wave band. And they are not Synth in any way really. Their Beatlesque quality helps them. This led many critics at the time to call them the next Lennon and McCartney as you said. Difford and Tillbrook's lyrics are cool and smart. Also they are definitely British/Similar to the great songwriting partnership of Elton John and Bernie Taupin, Excellent pick. I own a Very good Best of Squeeze that extends to 1987. I think you alluded to Hour Glass as a Top 30 hit that came later. I look forward to 90-81

Posted by Ben on Friday, 11/27/2020 @ 10:41am

Thanks King; a lot of these artists, especially the first 10-20 ones listed, art artist that are rarely mentioned in conversations for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I think a lot of these prospects just haven't had good cases made for them yet and they're totally worthy of the honor.

Ben, I love Squeeze who are one of my favorite bands. Had to include them somewhere and they are more worthy than most probably think. And Chapman is a fantastic singer-songwriter who often gets lost in the conversation from Rock Hall Watchers.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 11/27/2020 @ 16:11pm

Thanks King; a lot of these artists, especially the first 10-20 ones listed, are artists that are rarely mentioned in conversations for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I think a lot of these prospects just haven't had good cases made for them yet and they're totally worthy of the honor.

Ben, I love Squeeze who are one of my favorite bands. Had to include them somewhere and they are more worthy than most probably think. And Chapman is a fantastic singer-songwriter who often gets lost in the conversation from Rock Hall Watchers.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 11/27/2020 @ 16:21pm

#90-81 of the 'Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project' is now released.

www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject90-81

Posted by Nick on Friday, 11/27/2020 @ 18:16pm

This past year, We saw 2 70's acts, 2 80's acts and 2 90's acts all get inducted, Now, If 2021 is a repeat of 2020 and we see 2 70's acts, 2 80's acts and 2 90's acts become the 2021 inductees (if there are six inductees again this year), Which 2 70's acts, Which 2 80's acts and Which 2 90's acts do you guys see being inducted if the 2021 class is a repeat of 2020's class?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 11/28/2020 @ 10:38am

Richie,

70s: Bad Company, Kraftwerk
80s: Pat And Neil, B-52s
90s: RATM, Jay-Z (He is more associated with the 2000s, but his 90s stuff is justified)

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 11/28/2020 @ 11:12am

@ Plebian

Got a question for ya. Once Jay-Z gets inducted (hopefully right off the bat), do you think he'll join the Nom Com as a advocate for his peers he worked with? I think it's very likely and he should. I could picture him pushing for future eligibles he is related to including Linkin Park, Beyoncé, Rihanna, Kanye West, and maybe P. Diddy. He was the type of guy who knew how to make careers and legacies happen for others partly.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 11/28/2020 @ 11:34am

The Dude,

Wow that is a good question! I think Jay-Z may take the offer, but he may decline. He probably has other things to do and maybe recommend someone like Usher or Pharrell Williams. If he was part of the committee, he may to be the guy that advocates the 2000s with Dave Grohl, Questlove, and Tom Morello. He would obviously advocate for more rap, hip-hop, and pop of course so those acts you listed may have a chance. However, we may get a Lenny Kaye/ Patti Smith thing with Beyoncé as it feels awkward to induct your own wife. Those are my thoughts.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 11/28/2020 @ 13:34pm

Nick,

Your list is terrific. It's awesome. I have considered Cyndi Lauper, Dave Matthews Band and Herbie Hancock. I predicted C Lauper and Dave Matthews b last year. Heyy D Matthews B was on the 2020 ballot. She's So Unusual made Cyndi Lauper an international superstar and she became the first female artist to score 4 top-5 hits from a debut album. Thanks to her colored hair, Lauper became an instant sensation on MTV and one of MTV's biggest stars. I am a Jazz enthusiast in addition to Rock. I love Herbie Hancock. He put a lot of genres into his music over the years. I own a lot of his stuff. Albums like Thrust was great.
I am Not sure Mary Wells has much chance these days but it's worth a shot. She emerged in the 60s. The problem is she is mainly known for My Guy. We shall see what happens with it. She is rather Old for the Hall these days. I really just know My Guy. Thats it for now.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/28/2020 @ 13:52pm

Plebian,

Re: Pharrell Williams - he was actually named to the board of the Hall back in February, so I'm pretty sure he is now a member of the Nominating Committee as of this year.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 11/28/2020 @ 14:19pm

Since, KING had mentioned The Bangles and since Nick Bambach has listed them at #96 on his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects List, I thought that I would once again provide a portion of my 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees list.

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and for the most part- the end of the nearly 52 year old entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the outrageously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and 3 months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest (at least, Red Lobster had kept the Lobster Lover's Dream on the menu).

I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy) and the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G.did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever. Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. Nick Bambach has more information about these ladies, in case you are interested, please check out his
"The Audio-Visual Repertory: Perspectives On Popular Culture" blog.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/28/2020 @ 14:37pm

Since, KING had mentioned The Bangles and since Nick Bambach has listed them at #96 on his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects List," I thought that I would once again provide a portion of my 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees list.

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and for the most part- the end of the nearly 52 year old entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the outrageously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and 3 months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest (at least, Red Lobster had kept the Lobster Lover's Dream on the menu).

I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy) and the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G.did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever. Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. Nick Bambach has more information about these ladies, in case you are interested, please check out his
"The Audio-Visual Repertory: Perspectives On Popular Culture" blog.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/28/2020 @ 14:39pm

Nick, have really enjoyed your 1st two installments. Great writeups on each!

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 11/28/2020 @ 15:11pm

NICK
I give the 90-81 Selection Installment an A. Herbie Hancock is an inspired choice. He has 1 of the best chances of being inducted. I say that because he could be inducted as an Early Influence, Performer, or receive a Musical Excellence Award. I'm surprised he hasn't been inducted before. Like most people, I remember when Rock It was on MTV. That was a big hit. Cyndi Lauper exploded on the scene with She's So Unusual. She Bop was an excellent song. Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was a smash hit. My FAV Cyndi Lauper song is Time After Time. It's a perfect song. I don't know what happened to Cyndi Lauper in the late 80's early 90's. Maybe, some of her songs weren't hits, poor song choices, not the finsncial backing of earlier albums, or music moved towards the Grunge and other music scenes. Dave Matthews Band definitely will be inducted. I remember reading about 7 #1 albums, amazing money grossed in tours and concerts since 2000, and his cult-like loyal followers. I would probably say "Crash" and "You And Me" are songs I liked from him.
I hope Mary Wells doesn't become another Ben E. King, Chuck Willis, or Gram Parsons. All 3 should have been inducted long ago after several nominations. Sometimes, an artist and a song are engrained into people's memories. EX: Mary Wells and My Guy. I think Mary Wells would be perfect for a 50's or 60's Veteran Committee Induction. Similar to MLB or NFL. You did an excellent job on Foreigner and capturing their essential songs. I could see them inducted in the next 5 years as the 70's rock nomination pool dries up. Lou Gramm is just an exemplary singer. I loved when he belts out "Jukebox Hero" and "Urgent" is a 5 star KING FAV. That saxophone soars and is on fire in Urgent. I also remember hearing I Want To Know What Love Is as a young KING. One of those songs you knew would be a hit and a Classic. You put a choir in a song and it's usually a great song. EX:Like A Prayer-Madonna. Wonder if the young man in the song ever found love. A KING salute Nick! KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 11/28/2020 @ 15:14pm

RG, K-Dawg, Ben, KING, remy10, Michael W., Shrek, Greg F, The Dude and Will N.,

This past year, We saw 2 70's acts, 2 80's acts and 2 90's acts all get inducted, Now, If 2021 is a repeat of 2020 and we see 2 70's acts, 2 80's acts and 2 90's acts become the 2021 inductees (if there are six inductees again this year), Which 2 70's acts, Which 2 80's acts and Which 2 90's acts do you guys see being inducted if the 2021 class is a repeat of 2020's class?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 00:18am

Nick,

I want to say a little more about your 90-81 installmemt. My favorite song is also Time after Time. I agree with King. It's a perfect song. What happened to Cyndi Lauper in the late 80s,early90s is music moved towards Grunge and other genres. In 1993 she released an album called Hatful of Stars which totally failed commercially. She co wrote songs with Mary Chapin Carpenter and the band, the Hooters. I looked this up before on Wikipedia. I do remember Hatful of Stars vaguely. I worked in a lot of music stores in the 1990s. So yeah her heyday had passed by the mid 1990s.
Now as far as the Dave Matthews Band legions of fans voted but that wasn't enough for induction, primarily because they were never praised by critics who most often vote. From a historical viewpoint, Dave Matthews Band—along with Phish and perhaps Blues Traveller—carried the jam band movement in the wake of Jerry Garcia's death and their music became great music for their fans. I do think Dave Matthews Band will eventually be inducted. But it will be after all the key Seattle grunge bands are dealt with and inducted.
Now one that I'm impressed with also is Siouxie and the Banshees. The Banshees adopted more art-rock elements that made them an early examples of modern alternative rock. Their two-decade run made them one of alternative rock's enduring groups. The band went through several lineup changes and Sioux and Steve I am No Punk rock fan by any means. But they went in a mellower direction. It's true they are gloomy but I do like Killing Jar and Kiss them for Me. Siouxsie and the Banshees are one of the most known alternative rock of all time. Ok. Those are some good choices right there. That's it for Now.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 05:31am

RG, K Dawg, Ben, KING, remy10, Michael W., Shrek, Greg F, The Dude and Will N.,

This past year, We saw 2 70's acts, 2 80's acts and 2 90's acts all get inducted, Now, If 2021 is a repeat of 2020 and we see 2 70's acts, 2 80's acts and 2 90's acts become the 2021 inductees (if there are six inductees again this year), Which 2 70's acts, Which 2 80's acts and Which 2 90's acts do you guys see being inducted if the 2021 class is a repeat of 2020's class?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 11:24am

If there is a band in the 90s that I absolutely loved, it was Tool. I still hold them highly, but since I try to be more objective as I grow older, I understand their place in the upper echelon, but I know they are not the creme de la creme I placed them on in the 90s. I still will drop all to hear a Tool song on the radio, but it's no longer all Aenima, all the time like it was in high school/early college. I say the same about Korn, but I don't expect to see themon the list. You adding them, I am making a special spotlight to commend you and say, the writeup is handled beautifully from the perspective of one who absolutely almost idolizes them. Well done, Nick

I caught up on your writngs last night. Mary Wells is a name I hear, but didn't pay much attention to . I will agree she belongs. Like most, I have my opinions on who should go in, so I'm not gonna critique artist by artist, but I appreciated that Foreigner was included, and I am one of those drone rock purists who types in all capitals every band with a song on classic rock radio thinking it's the end-all be-all to rock. Evolution and longevity can make as much of an impact worthy of HOF induction as much as pioneers in a genre. As a matter of fact, they are on my list this year for nominees.

All in all, a great effort. I look forward to the following 8 parts

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 11:40am

I am NOT**** one of those rock purists who types in all capitals every band with a song on classic radio.

Wow, that is the mother of all omissions...

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 11:42am

Yeah, good read Nick!

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 11:58am

Yeah, good read Nick!

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 11:58am

Nick,

Good job man. I look forward to each part. I was going to skip over 2 decades from the 60s to the 80s. But your project covers a lot of the Ones I'd expect I'm sure. Heyy Cyndi Lauper popped up already. I figure acts from Judas Priest to Tina Turner are coming up for the 80s. And you certainly have acts from all different eras. I would say there is possible nominees from the 1960s to 90s.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 14:54pm

Wow, thanks everyone for the compliments on my new Project! It's much appreciated! I'm hoping to drop the next installment (80-71) sometime later in the week.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 19:19pm

Can we just focus on posting our predictions for the 2021 nominees instead of talking about other things?. Thank You and God Bless.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 19:56pm

I disagree Richie. It's all things that have to with the Class of 2021 (even my ongoing project) in one way or another. At least it's not the same monotonous discussions about RH predictions that often go nowhere.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 20:01pm

Plebian,

I could see any of the following acts appear on the ballot this year for the 2021 class and they are:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Big Star
Boston
Kate Bush
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Tommy James & The Shondells
Jay-Z
Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Mott The Hoople
Willie Nelson
New York Dolls
John Prine
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Gil Scott-Heron
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner
Toots & The Maytals
Warren Zevon

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 20:31pm

O think richies entire life is an endless cycle of how many times he can ask the same question, no offense intended. As Nick said, it gets monotonous

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 21:57pm

Exactly we talked about predictions enough. What's the point of posting prediction lists over and again? Isn't once enough?

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 11/29/2020 @ 23:29pm

Hey The Dude,

Quick question! With the new Selena miniseries coming, do you think Selena stands a chance for a nomination? Obviously coming from a local Texan myself, she seems to be incredibly influential in the Spanish music circle and her death is one of the greatest tragedies in music. Is she just a Texas thing or is she nationwide? Having her in would increase the diversity of woman and people of color, but also more music scenes that are not English. Your thoughts?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 00:04am

I'm not THE DUDE, but I would love to see Selena get a nomination. She paved the way for Shakira, Enrique Iglesias, and countless other Latin flavored acts that may or may not see their own induction one day. It introduced the Hispanic flavored music into rock in America and Europe beyond just being a gimmick, like Menudo and the Macarena...

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 00:41am

Ok, I have become open to numerous genres other than pure rock.

GENRES I WILL NOT CURRENTLY ACCEPT
80s-present R&B
90s-present urban
contemporary pop/electronic
70s-present jazz

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 02:55am

Nick,

I think your ongoing project is great. It breaks up the monotony the way my series of Old Inductees did. Remember that one. I went from roughly the 1994 class -2017. I was good enough to include all kinds. I think you followed that. In any case. This great project of yours breaks up the monotony too. This too is Not the same monotonous discussions.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 03:25am

Selena could easily get nominated once the miniseries comes out in the next few years. It needs positive reactions from it's audience in order for the demands to go high and hit through the roof like it's STILL happening with Mötley Crue's The Dirt.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 07:25am

Nick,

I would definitely concur with many of the aforementioned opinions. I am also eager to see your next installment of your "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project."

Thank you for sharing your detailed information aBout each prospective nominee with us.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 07:52am

Nick,

I would definitely concur with many of the aforementioned opinions. I am also eager to read your next installment of your "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project."

Thank you for sharing your detailed information about each prospective nominee with us. Of course, I will definitely have a different opinion upon your placement of these potential nominees, but that is certainly to be expected since each of us have widely varying opinions about the level of importance of various artists.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 08:17am

The Selena series drops on Netflix this coming Friday! And I believe it's actually going to be the first of several seasons rather than a miniseries.

I would be thrilled to see Selena on the ballot. I know she's much more of a Texas icon, but I think she certainly has enough of a national profile to make a ballot. She's the kind of artist who I wouldn't be extremely shocked to see pop up on the ballot at any point.

I would love to see both Selena and Gloria Estefan inducted to start making some inroads into crossover Latin Pop.

Posted by RG on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 13:12pm

RG,

Would be pretty fitting to have Selena on the ballot and I would not be surprised if she were the next pop act after Whitney Houston. Also imagine Ricky Martin inducting her when he inducted Ritchie Valens way back then. It would be sweet! She would do well in the fan ballot possibly Top 5. I will admit I'm not that huge of a Selena fan, but she does show importance in the Latin music scene and of course part of Texas music history. Another thought, RG. Would be absolutely hilarious that after the heartfelt tribute to her, Rage Against The Machine comes next in full political force as always. Tonal shift man just think about it! :)

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 16:51pm

RG and Plebian,

As much as I love Selena, I just don't think she's Hall worthy, I think that the next pop act to get nominated/inducted after Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston should and will be without a doubt, Mariah Carey, I think that Mariah is next in line after Janet and Whitney, not Selena.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 17:06pm

Enig,

I do agree. Each of us will have varying opinions about the artists. We certainly agree with Prog acts. I am sure some are coming. I think we agree on Dave Matthews Band. They are the most successful Jam band of the 90s. But I also don't mind an act like Siouxie and the Banshees, I don't like them a lot. But I own a few songs. You may be bothered by their Punk influences. But they became artsier. Thats why I don't mind some songs of theirs. in the late 80 early 90s. They became more arty later in the 80s. These are examples of my opinions

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 17:29pm

Nick,

I would definitely concur with many of the aforementioned opinions. I am also eager to read your next installment of your "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project."

Thank you for sharing your detailed information about each prospective nominee with us. Of course, I will definitely have a different opinion, with regards to your placement of these potential nominees, but that is certainly to be expected. Each of us have widely varying opinions about the level of importance of certain artists, primarily due to our many diverse backgrounds .

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 11/30/2020 @ 20:03pm

Since i mentioned her, and I know she won't be eligible until 2026 if you go by English language album releases, what does everyone think about Shakira's chances for the RRHOF? She really is diverse enough to go in almost any direction from rock to hip hop to dance to pop, and she definitely is unique and influential. I think she gets in sooner than later...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 00:03am

Welcome to Plebian's 12 days of Christmas event! In this comment post, I gather some of my favorite artists that have yet to be inducted in the Rock Hall. They are fresh and have never been nominated. Think of it as a Christmas Wishlist walkthrough! Let's begin!

1. Dick Dale

The King of Surf Guitar himself is influential in fast paced guitar playing and is one of the most significant acts of the 60s due to the surf craze of that era. He may be only known for Misirlou, but there is no denying he inspired many others to play fast like hell. Shame he will never accept the honor as well as he died last year.

There will be a ranking system I invented that shows some merit in these artists I want in the hall.
Going from 1 to 5 points, the artist must achieve at least above 10 points to be deemed Hall-worthy enough and important. 20 points means that are more glaring as omission that it is amazing they were never considered!

Discography: 2
Influence: 4
Cultural Impact: 5
Chances?: 1

Result: 10; While he is well-respected, I think the Hall feels he is too one note to be considered. Does not help some feel he is a one hit wonder. Dick Dale is in a C-tier level of importance overall based on my conclusive results. That does not mean I like him though! :)

Ben, Will N, Paul in KY, RG, The Dude, Greg F, etc.

What do you think? Should I keep going? Want more 12 days extravaganza?

Stay tuned!

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 02:38am

Plebian, would love to read your writeups on these 12 artists. I think Dick Dale should go in as an early influence.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 06:22am

Enig,
In the 'Introduction' to the Project, I make it very clear that the artists selected and the rankings are subjective because everyone sees the Rock Hall from a different perspective. And that's totally fine with me because I think we can all learn from one another. I'm thriving for objectivity here, mainly going with a mix of who I think is the top priorities and who I personally think has fallen under the radar in RH conversations. I think it's one of those experiments that has allowed me to realize who has the best chances. Of course there's no perfect science here, but I doubt anyone will question who is on the list as there's no one undeserving of the honor. Rather it's the rankings that some will question, but even then I'm trying to be as realistic as possible when doing that. To put it another way, there's quite a few artists I love that I ranked lower than ones I'm less passionate about and ranked much higher. That's the balance needed to undertake a project like this because you have attempt objectivity for people to take this seriously. Quite a few of the artists you usually advocate for will appear later in the project so definitely stay tuned.

Ben,
I did enjoy your ceremony recap series and you should continue doing that in the near future. I just want us—as Rock Hall Watchers—to have more of a conversation than simply 'naming names' and listing artists we want. Anyone can do that. Rather, I want us to have dialogues on the artists we are passionate about and believe should be in the Rock Hall. I know some people are all about the numbers and listing names but that's not really what I do.

Plebian,
You'll be pleased as Dick Dale makes an appearance in the new several weeks in my project. Although I think I'd bump his induction chances to a 2 or 3. At least 'Miserlou' isn't in the Singles Category which is why I think Dale has a decent shot for induction in the Performers category.

Posted by NIck on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 07:43am

Nick,

Many apologies, but I had not read your introductory page in it's entirety, until a few minutes ago. Thank you for clarifying your position and yes making the attempt to be objective is extremely difficult, to say the least. Of course, I will be interested in reading your next installments.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 08:39am

*In the next several weeks (for my previous post when discussing Dick Dale)

And Enig, no worries at all and no need to apologize! I'm just happy people are reading these installments and it's even better they're provoking conversations. Hoping to have it published by Friday the next one: 80-71.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 08:58am

Nick,

I'm definitely enjoying your series and look forward to each installment. To be fair, I'm a sucker for lists and loving seeing what I agree and disagree with on them, but I really appreciate how well-thought-out your synopsis of each artist is. In particular I like seeing the rarely mentioned artists getting highlighted, like Brook Benton, Herbie Hancock and Pavement. Keep up the good work.

Plebian,

I'm also in favor of seeing more of your 12 Days project. Again, I like seeing diverse opinions and I enjoy how you're implementing your rating system as well. I might replace chances with musicianship though, but that's nitpicking. Otherwise, it's a good read.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 09:35am

Greg F, Plebian and RG,

Nick Bambach made his predictions for the 2021 ballot nearly a couple of months ago on October 10 and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Big Star
Dave Matthews Band
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
Motorhead
Harry Nilsson
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Gil Scott-Heron
Tina Turner

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 ballot turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 12:10pm

Richie,

Harry Nilsson
Kraftwerk
Kool and The Gang
Tina Turner
Pat Benatar
Jay-Z

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 13:37pm

I'm strongly betting on Pat Benatar, the Eurythmics and Foreigner to get in. Hardly no one mentions Foreigner but they were huge from 1976 to 1984. It would be great to see the Foo Fighters make it in their first year, Grohl is a genius. The Hall should expand their mind for The Smiths. They had a massive underground and Alt Rock following in the 90s. Jethro Tull should get in for just as being as innovative for their flute rock. Iggy Pop needs a nod too, he's just as influential as the late Marc Bolan. Go-Go's, yes, but Benatar needs to get the nod first AND since Yes and Rush are in, what about Kansas? They were America's answer to Yes.

Posted by Jeff Jacomowitz on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 14:34pm

Plebian,
Absolutely. Your 12 Days of Christmas artist countdown sounds very cool.. I was wondering if you're doing a countdown from 12 to 1, but I see you started with #1. Anyway, Dick Dale is a great choice.. keep it going!.

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 12/1/2020 @ 17:10pm

Welcome back to another installment of the 12 days Christmas wishlist!
Yesterday, I talked about Dick Dale, the surf guitar virtuoso. To clarify things, I meant to put 12 points instead of 10 my apologies.
Now on to number 2!!

2. King Crimson

The true granddaddy of Prog Rock and a ability to erase- -King Crimson is fueled by the great mind of Robert Fripp with ambience and prestige in their incredible work. Every Prog Rock band cites them as an influence and the genre may have never happen if it weren't for them. Fripp may or may not show up, but regardless the honor is still anticipated.

Discography: 4
Influence: 5
Cultural Impact: 2
Chances?: 4

Results: 15; In conclusion, King Crimson is incredibly important to the Rock tree and music in general. The Hall may want a few more to support their case, but I'm sure that having the most influential Prog rock band on the ballot would not hurt. An overall B in my conclusion.

Greg F, Nick, RG, The Dude, Ben, Will N,
Michael W., K-Dawg, Enig (of course his wheelhouse) and Paul in KY,

What do you think?

Stay tuned for more!

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 12/2/2020 @ 00:14am

Nick,

I am curious. Is there any Prog Rock on your coool list. I know I sound like Enig, But I have some interest in Prog of my Own. Jethro Tull is a good example. If you want to give it away. Thats up to you.I have other genres of Rock to ask about. I ask Prog first

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/2/2020 @ 07:06am

King Crimson could be around the corner, especially with the recent inductions of NIN, Depeche Mode, and T. Rex making a big difference. If nominated for next year's class, they would easily get the most support from voting body. Prog now inducts Prog.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 12/2/2020 @ 10:27am

I'm gonna be a little mum on who the prospects will be, but expect to see a few prog rockers on there.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12/2/2020 @ 10:37am

Mariah Carey and Eurythmics will be inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame as part of the 2020 (aka 2021) class next year on June 10 after being postponed from June 11 of this year due to COVID-19, Now, Do you guys think that Mariah and the Eurythmics getting into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year will help their chances in terms of getting nominated/inducted for the 2021 class?. I think that's a real possibility, since The Cure and Janet Jackson were inducted in 2019 and Depeche Mode and Whitney Houston were inducted this past year, Now, there's also Duran Duran and Tina Turner to contend with, but I think that Mariah and Eurythmics getting into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year will help them both get nominated/inducted for the 2021 class.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/2/2020 @ 11:25am

Richie, I don't see how getting inducted into the Songwriter's HOF would hurt their chances. Unless the Hall thinks that is enough kudos for them & thus we don't have to induct them.

I definitely think Ms. Carey will get in someday. On the fence about Eurythmics.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12/2/2020 @ 14:06pm

Who do you think will be the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/2/2020 @ 20:10pm

King Crimson is a definite interesting case. They've been ignored for years but if they get a nom, it would be near impossible to keep them out. They have too large a base and too much influence to be forgotten. Enig would be beside himself with joy.

I'm trying my best to keep the fascinating topics happening but some want the same ol same ol

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/2/2020 @ 22:39pm

Hello everyone! Welcome to another installment of the Christmas wishlist yet again! Last time we focused on the Prog Rock godfather King Crimson. Quite deserving, wouldn't you say Jean-Pierre Polnareff? Let's get on to number 3!

3. Nick Drake

Creating the loneliness and troubled minded singer-songwriter, Nick Drake is a man that shaped a quiet, yet influential short life of only 3 albums, all critically acclaimed albums. His songs breath ominous wind to them encapsulated with the softness in his voice. He sadly died in 1974, yet his presence is felt in the likes of Coldplay and Elliot Smith. I'm sure his remaining family will accept the award on his behalf.

Discography: 5
Influential: 4
Cultural Impact: 1
Chances?: 2

Results: 12; While deserving the Hall probably thinks of Nick Drake as a very niche act of the 70s compared to the likes of Warren Zevon and many others like him. He does have over 1 million followers on Spotify which is surprisingly a large cult following for such a small artist.

Stay Tuned for more!

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 00:16am

Nick,

I'll ask the question again. Is there Prog on your Veryy Cool list. I would be curious to know. Acts like Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Jethro Tull come to mind. Answer when you can

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 07:15am

Ben,

Nick already answered that question. I believe he said there will be some prog representation. But I assume Nick is hoping to create some suspense and would prefer not to share his list of prospects early. So I doubt he wants to be asked in advance.

Posted by remy10 on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 07:57am

remy10 and everyone I just read Nicks answer from Ysterday. He indeeed said there will be sone Prog I didn't. Neeed names. That's coool.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 08:04am

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 09:42am

Plebian,

It seems that King Crimson would get in when/if they are ever nominated, given how many artists have been inspired by them. So many people revere Robert Fripp's guitar work that you'd have to think they have the support to get in. They might have to wait for Jethro Tull to get in first though.

Nick Drake is a bit more of a long shot, though he's certainly deserving of at least a nom. As a candidate, I'd kinda compare him to Laura Nyro. Not in terms of his actual discography, which I think is much stronger than hers, but in terms of his overall influence far exceeding the level of success he actually enjoyed. There's a pretty good likelihood that he would have a really strong champion or two for his induction on the committee somewhere.

Posted by Michael W on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 10:01am

Michael W,
It's worth noting nominating committee member Amanda Petrusich wrote a book on Nick Drake's 'Pink Moon' for the 33 1/3 series years ago. That's partly why I think Nick Drake has a decent shot of getting a nomination in any given year. Just like Holly George-Warren wrote that Alex Chilton biography that will always keep them in the conversation.

https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/nick-drakes-pink-moon-9780826427908/

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 10:32am

I agree with Michael W. Nick Drake is more of a long shot. I don't remember Drake selling many albums in his day. He didn't do promotion, publicity signings or long tours. I read some things about him. It was a sad and tragic story. Especially when he had to move back with his family. A place he felt safe and exhausting most of his funds. Maybe, today, there would have been more avenues and resources to explore for Drake's condition. I remember listening to Pink Moon and a few other songs. They sounded very good. I will agree he has influenced groups who love his music. Drake similar to Big Star. 3 albums that resonate with music fans. Nick Drake would be a possibility for a special award the Rock Hall likes to give out. He probably still has family and friends that would gladly accept. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 10:46am

My final predictions for the 2021 nominees (Which by the way is the same as Steve Z's predictions) are:

Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
MC5
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Smiths
Soundgarden
Weezer

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 12:54pm

Hey The Dude, Michael W, K-Dawg, and KING,

Can you guys help me on which King Crimson people would be inducted if they get in? Obviously Robert Fripp, but I'm having trouble on the other ones. I assume they will induct maybe 9-10 members of the group, but I'm unsure. Thanks! :)

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 15:23pm

Plebian
They would induct Greg Lake for sure. Recently departed but highly respected musician. He was on the early albums before ELP. A KING FAV. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 15:30pm

I think the first time nominees will be:

The B-52's

Foo Fighters

Iron Maiden

Jay-Z

Joy Division

Toto

While the returning nominees I think will be:

Eurythmics

Todd Rundgren

Pat Benatar

Devo

Rufus Featuring Chaka Khan

Rage Against the Machine

Los Lobos

Jane's Addiction

Thin Lizzy

New York Dolls

Posted by Zack F on Thursday, 12/3/2020 @ 15:34pm

Welcome back! The 12 days of Rock Hall Christmas wishlist continues once again! Last time, we talked about the lonely, yet poetic Nick Drake. I forgot to mention Nick Drake is a C-tier in importance my mistake. Let's Begin!

4. Big Star

A band that should have been bigger, Big Star remains one of the most underrated American Pop rock bands of all time. Led by the talented Alex Chilton, they blazed in indie circles and became superstars after their inception. Most likely remembered for the theme song for That 70s show, Big Star continues their cult following. Sadly, 3 out of the original 4 members (including Alex himself) have passed leaving only poor Jody Stephens, the drummer (Another case of T. Rex, everyone but the drummer is dead). Though with good faith, Alex's family and Jody will gladly accept the induction being finally immortalized in the Hall.

Discography: 5
Influence: 4
Cultural Impact: 3
Chances?: 3

Results: 15; In conclusion, Big Star is definitely worthy of the honor as I see them in the same boat as MC5 and New York Dolls. The big three in not commercially, yet influential as hell bands. The Hall is surely aware of their existence and with support from R.E.M. and Cheap Trick I don't see why to give them the chance. A B-tier in importance if I say so myself.

RG, Nick, The Dude, Michael W, K-Dawg, Shrek, Ben, KING, and Will N.

Your thoughts?

Stay tuned!

1. Dick Dale
2. King Crimson
3. Nick Drake
4. Big Star
5. ???

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 01:51am

Plebian,
On King Crimson, I can mention a few obvious choices for induction. Bill Bruford for sure, and from the 80's moving forward version of the band, Adrian Belew and Tony Levin. They both spent many years and multiple recordings with the band.

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 03:29am

It's messy, but for King Crimson, I usually lean towards Robert Fripp, Tony Levin, Bill Bruford, Adrian Belew, John Wetton, Peter Sinfield, & Mel Collins.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 07:10am

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 09:25am

The Goo Goo Dolls. This is the biggest oversight since Rush. The Goo and Matchbox 20 are two of the greatest artists off all time with so many top 10 hits.

Posted by Randy on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 11:25am

Um...what?

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 12:05pm

I do think The Goo Goo Dolls have a case. Certainly not biggest omission since Rush! Enig, what do you think about that?!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 13:01pm

What a ridiculous statement. The Goo Goo Dolls are the biggest omission since Chuck Berry, obviously.

Posted by RG on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 15:32pm

It's super difficult to predict what members of King Crimson would be inducted, but I might add Michael Giles and Ian McDonald to the previously mentioned members even though they weren't with the band that long. Mainly because they were there for their first album, which was their most successful and highly acclaimed one.

Plebian,

You're right in my wheelhouse with Big Star as they were on my final list of predictions for the next round of nominees. At least I think they were. It's getting hard to remember back that far...

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 15:34pm

Michael W.,

regarding Big Star: Your final list of predictions for the 2021 nominees were The B-52's, Bad Company, Beck, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Joe Cocker, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Cyndi Lauper, LL Cool J, Motorhead, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner. So yes, You did include Big Star on your final list of predictions for the 2021 nominees.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 15:57pm

I think that subgenre of rock, whatever you want it to call it (adult alternative, pseudo-alternative, alternative pop) gets too much criticism. I think a lot of those bands from the '90s (Gin Blossoms, Toad the Wet Sprocket, Goo Goo Dolls, Soul Asylum, Matchbox 20, Third Eye Blind, Semisonic) were all pretty good but none of them really built up a legacy. In earlier years' posts on this site, you do tend to see people hating on this subgenre to the same degree as post-grunge and nu-metal and I think those genres were probably much worse. I think 2000s pop alternative would have sounded better if it sounded more like these bands than post-grunge, nu-metal, or teenybop pop-punk. I also see a lot of these bands thrown in as post-grunge and I don't understand that either because I don't think any of them actually had any grunge influences. They were all trying to be R.E.M. or late-period Tom Petty or the Replacements or maybe Husker Du. R.E.M. and Petty are in. The Replacements and Husker Du are not, and I think those bands would probably be sufficient to cover this whole era, because most of those '90s derivative bands were only really relevant for a couple albums, except for maybe Train, which was probably the worst of them. I don't think the Goo Goo Dolls sucked, and they had some classic hits for sure, but nah... Especially since their biggest influence The Replacements are out and may never get in since they weren't commercial enough.

And the worst snub since Rush? Rush wasn't even the biggest snub at the time of its induction. Kraftwerk obviously was even then...

Posted by Sean on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 16:24pm

There are a few adult alternative acts of that ilk who I think might have some sort of case. Especially Counting Crows and Sheryl Crow and Alanis Morissette and obviously Liz Phair if you count that (although her adult alternative era is what her fans sneer at.) But I think the bands I mentioned in the last post are all no's, even though I like most of them.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 16:29pm

Alright so I got info thanks to you guys for who they 'might induct' for King Crimson:

Robert Fripp (duh)
Bill Bruford
Tony Levin
Greg Lake
Adrian Belew
John Wetton
Peter Sinfield
Mel Collins
Michael Giles
Ian McDonald

Out of everyone it seems Greg Lake and John Wetton are the only deceased ones.

Thanks guys for the help!

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 16:34pm

Plebian,

What are your December predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 16:55pm

The Rock Hall is too stubborn and out of touch to induct the Goo Goo Dolls and Matchbox 20 for the general public even though they would easily make a good amount of money and draw a lot of crowds to those bands in. It's no wonder the class of 2020 was a commercial FAILURE, and I'm also expecting another round of layoffs if the kiosk and online fan ballots gets rigged. It's they're fault for causing fan frustrations just like what Hollywood and major sports leagues are doing right now. If you still think the ongoing pandemic caused this, think again.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 17:53pm

Plebian,
If King Crimson would happen to be nominated and inducted eventually, would Bill Bruford be just the second drummer to be inducted twice? Ringo Starr, I believe, is the only one to achieve this, and one induction is as a solo artist. To my knowledge, Bill Bruford would be the first drummer to accomplish this with 2 different bands, unless I am overlooking someone.. Any thoughts?

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 17:53pm

Will N,

Yes, to my knowledge Bill Bruford would be the first double inductee drummer to play for two bands. If that does not happen, Matt Cameron would be the first with Pearl Jam and Soundgarden or maybe Dave Grohl for Nirvana and Foo Fighters (unless that is a technicality).

The Dude,

I'm not ready for the Hall to start doing 2000s bands yet (Green Day and Jay-Z maybe exceptions but still). Honestly there are very few bands from that era to be considered worthy. Lots of them feel like blips of the times and others have stigma that serious consideration for them is laughable (Justin Timberlake and Shakira).

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 18:36pm

Plebian,

What are your predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees (December edition)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 18:41pm

Two thoughts. One, Green Day is definitely 90s. Mid to late In that decade, they were pretty big.

2, I love Toad the Wet Sprocket, and think they are overlooked

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 18:45pm

Back durring the waiting period from 2019, I found a list of the biggest bands in the world from 1969 to 2017. It was written around that time, probably by Troy L. Smith, and has since disappeared from the website that hosted it. Luckily, my text recreation lives on.

So here are all of the bands who can claim to have been one of, or even the, biggest band in the world at some point that aren't in the hall yet. Year in parenthesis, only including acts that are old enough for induction.

Jethro Tull (1972)
War (1973)
Wings (1974)
Bad Company (1974)
Boston (1978)
Duran Duran (1982)
Iron Maiden (1982)
Culture Club (1983)
Tears for Fears (1985)
The Smiths (1986)
Traveling Willburys (1988) (If inducted, this would make George Harrison the second person inducted three times, in addition to making Dylan, Orbison, Lynne and Petty double inductees)
Pixies (1989 and 1990)
Soundgarden (1994)
Oasis (1995)
Alice in Chains (1995)
Smashing Pumpkins (1995 and 1996)
Rage Against The Machine (1996 and 1999)
Tool (1996)
No Doubt (1997)
The Verve (1998)
Korn (1998)
Dave Matthews Band (2001)
blink-182 (2004)
Foo Fighters (2007, 2011, and 2014!)

Any thoughts?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 21:08pm

Follower,

To be honest, Troy Smith can be full of crap with his articles (not calling him a bad person, but still) and I'm not so sure how and why those bands were considered the biggest of that year. Was it popularity, influence, or musician craftsmanship he was judging it on? I don't know, but his bias can be very apparent sometimes (The FRL website still uses his now defuncted list and that got outdated fast).

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 12/4/2020 @ 23:36pm

Welcome to another installment of the 12 days Christmas wishlist project! Last time we talked about the shining Big Star. Onward to the next candidate!

5. Jim Croce

"You Don't Mess Around with Jim". He has a blue collar sound and storytelling skills, Jim Croce created and brought back good old simple catchy tunes of the early 70s. His wholesome personality creates songs that feel like homemade apple pie. His songs have been played in pop culture from movies and television series. Yet, sadly Jim tragically died in a plane crash in 1973 and his potential was not fully realized. His wife and son preserve his legacy and I'm certainly sure to accept the honor.

Discography: 3 (One of the few artists that benefits more on compilations than albums)
Influence: 1
Cultural Impact: 3
Chances?: 3

Results: 10; With only ten points, Jim Croce barely makes it to be worthy of the Rock Hall. He has the hits and he was commercially successful, before and after death. However, the Rock Hall have more major priorities that are more influential and cultural impactful than good old Jim. C-tier in my opinion as frankly I'm too kind to make the man D-tier.

Stay tuned for more!

1. Dick Dale
2. King Crimson
3. Nick Drake
4. Big Star
5. Jim Croce
6. ???

Up next.....

One step in the 70s, one step in the 80s

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 02:32am

Follower,

There was a list of the biggest bands in the world 1969-2000s sometime.I am so sure this is the same list. I wrote most of that list down. 1977-1999. It covers when we just started reaching out of the 1970s and beyond. Troy L. Smith I think took the list Best Rock Band in the World from Cleveland.com. I re located this a month ago.
Here are examples. CAPS are the absolute biggest. And then comes runner ups.
1977-FLEETWOOD MAC, Sex Pistols, Pink Floyd
1978-The ROLLING STONES ,Van Halen ,Boston
1979-The EAGLES, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin
1980-PINK FLOYD,AC/Dc, Queen, The Rolling Stones
1981-The ROLLING STONES, the Police
1982-the CLASH, Duran Duran, Roxy Music, Iron Maiden
1983-the POLICE, Culture club ,ZZ Top, Genesis
1984-TALKING HEADS,, Van Halen
1985-The CURE,Dire Straits, Tears for Fears
The list goes onward 1986,1987,88,etc. I recreated it by writing down a list.

It's got to be the same list. That;s coool if you found it to. You have listed all the ones on that list Not inducted. This list intrigued me tooo. I would say we find it interesting.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 04:26am

The Next Installment is Published in my 'Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project' series: #80-71

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject80-71

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 09:29am

Very unrealistic, but if the Hall ever made an all politically incorrect class it would look like this that would make me drink the snowflakes' tears.

Mötley Crue
Meat Loaf
GG Allin
Mayhem
Burzum/Varg Vikernes

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 10:12am

Plebian,

What are your December edition predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 10:17am

Richie,

I need sleep so here is my December edition.

The newbies:
B-52s
Big Star
Smashing Pumpkins
The Go-Gos
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Bad Company

The returning people:
Kraftwerk
Eurythmics
Pat and Neil
Motörhead
Soundgarden
RATM
John Prine
Rufus/ Chaka Khan
New York Dolls

Same as always

The Class:
RATM
Jay-Z
Pat and Neil
Kraftwerk (Double or nothing!)
Tina Turner
6: Smashing Pumpkins
7: Bad Company

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 10:37am

Plebian,

I am unsure if Troy Smith even wrote it. It was just my guess since I saw it on Cleveland.com, where his articles usually are. As for its accuracy, look for accounts from people who were there at these periods, such as.....

Ben,

This is indeed the very same list that you mentioned. I was randomly reminded of it and wanted to bring it back for the sake of discussion and speculation.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 11:11am

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 11:33am

The what if? bug strikes again...although this one should satisfy most rock purists...

Now that NIN is in, will their spiritual successor and the undoubted face of nu metal, the ever-ear piercing Korn, ever get a sniff at a nom? As the well dries up on the 80s bands, which is still a few years away, hair bands went 2 distinct directions in the 90s--grunge and nu metal. Pantera arguably even was on this path before their career was tragically cut short by Dimebag Darrell's murder. I am not predicting them at this time, but I think a nom is 5 years down the road possibly. Watch how the Pumpkins and Rage do this year; that could be a telling sign how soon nu metal gets its claws into the committee...

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 12:59pm

Rage is arguably a Nu Metal band.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 14:03pm

JR Weekes made his predictions for the 2021 nominees recently and his predictions are:

Alice In Chains
Bad Company
Beck
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
John Prine
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Smiths
Tina Turner
Weezer

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 16:22pm

I'll just say this...all these "experts" keep predicting the Foo Fighters. I will be disappointed if they're right. The Foo Fighters definitely belong, but if they get nommed and inducted, they skip over a myriad of influences and established bands alike who Dave Grohl himself would rather see in. It's the Green Day problem all over again; going for the commercial home run instead of doing things the right way. Just to edit before I post this, Green Day belongs; they just didn't belong before the recognition of their late 90s work. I think the Hall has won some of our and the music world's respect by following some decent paths and doing (a) the Cure and Depeche Mode, (b) Nine Inch Nails, and (c) Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston, in the last couple years, and putting some kind of sequential and cause-and effect logic into the decisions. Too often, and we've all been guilty of wanting our favorites in the first year they come eligible, have they ignored the bands or acts (KRAFTWERK) who influenced so much of the genres as rock and roll has evolved into its dozens of subgenres.

That said, I might be considered a hypocrite for picking Jay-Z before the likes of LL Cool J, but Mr. Carter looms large in the world of producing and setting the stage for the explosion in the 2000s of the hip hop scene. He IS the reason we got past the East Coast/West Coast wars by and large because of his abilities on and off the mic. As a pioneer of a genre, he is very influential. Foo Fighters definitely belong, but as Dave Grohl himself would proclaim I have no doubt, they would be better served going in 2024 or 2025, after we get the Pumpkins, AIC, Soundgarden, and other acts.

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 20:07pm

K-Dawg,

Green Day were already big long into the 2000s and it was inevitable anyway. They're late nineties stuff was actually getting some acclaim even before their induction. I agree on that problem and I'm not even predicting Foo Fighters. I'm sure the Hall uses Dave Grohl as their emergency backup in case the ceremony is too dull or whatnot and dude has shown to super humble (in public and in live shows). They are definitely gonna wait it out. Jay-Z also fits that Green Day boat, but him being the very first legit 2000s act to be inducted so quickly seems just so right in a way. Dude is on top of the world and his impact grows with the new generation's rappers every day. I believe HE was the start of the modern rap scene. Those are my thoughts. (P.S. I'm sure Jay-Z is gonna do pretty poorly on the fan vote as Boomers hold a reign on that crap. Ew Rap! >:( When in reality he has higher chances than all the people who will be first time nominated or return)

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 12/5/2020 @ 22:49pm

Welcome back viewers for another round of the 12 days of Christmas wishlist. Last time, we talked about mean old Jim Croce. Let's begin shall we?

6. Joy Division/New Order

One step in Joy Division, one step in New Order. The post-punk era flourished with many acts, but none could ever reign as well as Joy Division. The echoing guitar sounds, the esoteric bass line, and of course the misery-inducing vocals of Ian Curtis. Curtis's suicide remains one of the most tragic tortured artist stories of all time and resonates those who deal with mental illness. The band was buried deep in the darkness never to be formed without Ian. However, a light came and a New Order began. Acquiring the talented Gillian Gilbert for keyboards, New Order became one of the biggest underground acts of the 80s. Both incarnations of the band have become touchstones in music history and it's a crime they were never considered before.

Discography: 5
Influence: 5
Cultural Impact: 5
Chances?: 5

Results: A perfect 20; The first band that ever scored a true perfect score on this wonderful list! The Hall DEFINITELY needs to induct Joy Division/ New Order. One or another, they are one conjoined twin that have become bigger than they ever were!

RG, K-Dawg, Follower, Michael W. , The Dude, Sean, Shrek,

What are your thoughts? What have been your favorite artists so far in this journey.

We are in the midway point now people! Stay tuned for more!!!

1. Dick Dale
2. King Crimson
3. Nick Drake
4. Big Star
5. Jim Croce
6. Joy Division/ New Order
7. ????

Coming up.....
Someone's second coming of Christ...

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 01:22am

I have an idea for nonperformer: Wolfman Jack

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 01:38am

Who do you guys think will be the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 09:55am

Greg F, RG and Plebian,

Jr Weekes made his predictions for the 2021 ballot recently and his predictions are:

Alice In Chains
Bad Company
Beck
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
John Prine
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Smiths
Tina Turner
Weezer

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 11:50am

Plebian,

I do loves me some Jim Croce. There's something about his songwriting and delivery that just work for me. I don't know how realistic his chances are but I'd be in favor of at least a nom for him.

Joy Division/New Order will eventually get in in some form, though what form that is we'll have to see. I don't think they're quite the perfect 20 that you do though.

My personal favorite of your first six is Big Star.

Nick,

Happy to see your latest installment as well, again hitting a number of artists that don't get discussed very often. Enjoyed all the write-ups, highlighted for me by the one on Tori Amos. Little Earthquakes is my all-time favorite album and has been from virtually the first time I heard it. I'm also particularly enjoyed the analysis of Pet Shop Boys, Toots & the Maytalls, and X. Keep up the good work.

Posted by Michael W on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 11:51am

Greg F, Michael W., RG and Plebian,

JR Weekes made his predictions for the 2021 ballot recently and his predictions are:

Alice In Chains
Bad Company
Beck
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
John Prine
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Smiths
Tina Turner
Weezer

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 12:03pm

Enjoying your lists, Plebian and Nick, keep up the good work!

Posted by RG on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 12:12pm

Plebian,

Thanks for keeping us in the Christmas spirit. I was just wondering though....you have 4 categories - Discography, Influence, Cultural Impact and Chances. What exactly do you use to determine the artist's Chances. Shouldn't their chances just be based on the aggregate of the first 3, thus making it redundant? Or by chances do you mean other stuff like Hall politics?

Posted by joker on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 12:59pm

richie,

Do you want to discuss the candidates or do you just want to regurgitate lists and post the same names over and over without delving into why and stuff? It seems like you just want stats, stats, stats. That kind of destroys the whole fun of the board lol

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 13:25pm

Joker,

I go by the Hall politics for chances. The other three....

Discography: I go over their body of work, short or long. Songs and albums considered the best of the best. The most acclaimed pieces of music media.

Cultural Impact: Have they been referenced outside music? Are people aware of them in public and/or on social media? Are they part of pop culture or just something that only a few would get?

Influence: How much they contributed
to the music landscape and the many artists that they inspired, small or big. Are they cream of the crops of their genre or sub genre? Both?

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 13:28pm

I'm not meaning to cut into the series being presented by Plebian and Nick. Outstanding work...Joy Division/New Order really needs to be given some kind of a special or retrospective, because the longer we go into the 2000s, the more this pioneering group(s) get left behind. I don't personally see them getting a nom this year, but the Eurythmics are my next choice in new wave along with Duran Duran; however, they are a critical darling, and as such, I hope they don't get the Kraftwerk treatment...

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 12/6/2020 @ 13:40pm

Is the minimum 26 year format temporary?

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 12/7/2020 @ 01:09am

Nick,
Ahh yes. You have your next installment. I review some of these. I was waiting. There always seems to be several I like or impress me in some way. At #79 you have Tootss and the Maytals. I don't know them very well. But it impresses me because it's a rare pick of reggae. Jimmy Cliff was the last inductee for reggae. I recall that Toots and the Maytals collaborated with Eric Clapton. Im an all time Clapton fan thats why.I don't know the 2004 album True Love . I'll check it out. Neil Sedaka impresses me.He is #77. I don't like Neil Sedaka much at all but the pick impresses me because of his popularity, He was very popular 1958-63,
That does hinder his chances as we get past 2020 at this point. The time may have passed for him. I can't think of anyone on the Current committee that would nominate, Even Steve Van Zant probably wouldn't since he was popular before 1965.
I will stop with #76. That's De La Soul. Me, Myself and I" appears on the Rock Hall's list of the Songs That Shaped Rock & Roll.I recall that song. They did shed their hippie instincts on their follow-up, the defiantly-titled, De La Soul is Dead (1991) which features a black-and-white image of a broken flower pot. But their psychedelic image never really wore off I agree, I know something about them. I was going to check them out very recently on Spotify. Heyy I was lisiening to Van Halen, Bon Jovi and Cinderella alll the time in the late 80s But I recall this huge early hip hop group too. More later. Thats it for now

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/7/2020 @ 04:28am

Welcome back to another 12 days of Christmas Rock Hall wishlist! Last time, we talked about the elusive Joy Division/ New Order. That band is truly A-tier and the first band to score high a 20 from me. Now let's hit it again!

7. Duran Duran

"Hungry Like The Wolf". The 80s was full of pretty boys and girls, full of hair products, and just glitzy and glamour everywhere. No band ever felt so 80s as Duran Duran. While not the most acclaimed band, their popularity soared through and the band became one of the first to take advantage of the new decade and MTV. Their sound are still felt through in the pop world today and the band have since became one of the staple artists in the 1980s. A certain someone might find them as holy as Chicago if you catch my drift ;)

Discography: 3
Influence: 3
Cultural Impact: 5
Chances?: 4

Results: 15; In conclusion, Duran Duran have managed to be become worthy of the Hall despite their reputation. The Hall has given light to them as they inducted Roxy Music which increases their chances. Also to add to the fact the Hall has now opened to more commercially successful, yet critical duds bands like Eagles, Cheap Trick, and Journey. B-tier in importance if I might add.

Enig (lol), Paul from KY, Sean, Michael W, K-Dawg, RG, The Dude, Ben, Will N., Nick,

What do you think?

Stay tuned for more!

1. Dick Dale
2. King Crimson
3. Nick Drake
4. Big Star
5. Jim Croce
6. Joy Division/New Order
7. Duran Duran
8. ???

Coming Up!

I got a Six Pack and I'm not afraid of you!!!!

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 12/7/2020 @ 11:20am

If the Hall continues to induct the most popular and universal 80's Alternative/New Wave bands, then Duran Duran makes the most sense to contend. The Cars are in my opinion the catalysts of their genres who made inductions happened for The Cure, Roxy Music (later), and most recently, Depeche Mode.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 12/7/2020 @ 11:49am

Of the current Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees in the performer category, here are the ones I now disagree with:

Laura Nyro- purely a songwriter. Should've been an AMA
Randy Newman- also purely a songwriter and should've been an AMA
Public Enemy- pure rap. Also a shame that Anthrax hasn't gotten in yet
Notorious B.I.G.- pure rap
N.W.A.- pure rap
Gene Pitney- pure pop
Dusty Springfield- pure pop
2Pac- pure rap

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 12/7/2020 @ 22:16pm

Welcome to another installment of the 12 days of Christmas Rock Hall wishlists! Last time we talked about the glamorous Duran Duran. Duran Duran would most certainly show in the ceremony as I forgot to mention. Another is Joy Division/ New Order who may or may not show up (mainly Peter Hook, but the others is a mystery). Let's begin once more!

8. Black Flag

"Rise Above, we got to Rise Above!" The underground punk scene in the 80s gave birth to many like The Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, X, and Social Distortion. However, none were as prevalent as Black Flag. Their rawness and testosterone energy gave new energy in the genre and started the career of the now gentle giant Henry Rollins. The band since have become a staple cult band and continues to grow today. Its unsure of what members would show up or who will be inducted as part of the group so I will let you decide on that.

Discography: 2
Influence: 4
Cultural Impact: 2
Chances?: 2

Results: 10; Yet again another music act that barely makes it to 10 points. The Hall has been kind to Proto-punk and punk bands in the past, but Black Flag's popularity is not that high unless Henry Rollins can create a narrative for the band. They are perceived as a niche act from the 80s. C-tier in importance in my study.

Nick, RG, The Dude, joker, K-Dawg, Michael W. , Sean, KING, Ben, Will N.,

Your thoughts?

Stay tuned for more!

1. Dick Dale
2. King Crimson
3. Nick Drake
4. Big Star
5. Jim Croce
6. Joy Division/ New Order
7. Duran Duran
8. Black Flag
9. ???

Coming Up!
"Six, Six, Six, number of the beast!"

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/8/2020 @ 01:07am

Two artists I would like to see nominated and entered into the Rock n Roll Hof...

1. Kansas
2. Ronnie James Dio

Of the lot of available bands to get in, no one has had more of an impact on Rock n Roll than Ronnie James Dio. How he is not in already is a travesty...

Which leads me to my second group; Kansas.

Hardly has there been a rock radio staple than that of Kansas on the strength of two tracks alone; Point of No Return and Carry On My Wayward Son.

My dark horse pick would be Bad Company.

Iron Maiden deserves to get in on merit alone. For there is no band that has sold more records that isn't in the conversation than Iron Maiden.

That's it.

The Rock N Roll HoF should be for just that; Rock N Roll.

Posted by Duane Linn on Tuesday, 12/8/2020 @ 01:08am

As Wesley Willis says "Cut the Mullet"

I love how these rock purists find their way in here and scream about rap and pop while proclaiming Ronnie James Dio to be the ultimate idol for all Rock and Roll.

I don't have to point out that rock and roll, derived itself from jazz, blues and soul music from the 30s and 40s, began with elements that in and of themselves became rhythm and blues, more soul, funk, reggae, and yes, into hip hop and rap. The guitar became important in the 1950s with early stars like Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley; what would evolve into hard rock, heavy metal, and punk rock are derivatives of the original musical styles just as much, if sometimes less, than rhythm and blues and soul. The "rock" part has evolved into rocking, which some mistaken individuals forget the phrase is "rock AND ROLL", meaning music that isn't just heavy, it's grooving and lyrical as well. Like it or not, "rock and roll" encompasses virtually all genres of popular music and derives its very elements from the same ilk that produces almost anything you hear on the radio or on your respective MP3 player/streaming device of choice

I really can't make it any clearer than that, and these gentlemen that want to be exclusive of widely accepted acts already in are going to continue to be ignorant.

Plebian, nice pieces of Black Flag and DD

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 12/8/2020 @ 03:31am

Plebian,

I was 12 when MTV first launched and helped transform and broaden my musical tastes into what they are now. Duran Duran was a huge part of that. They're a band that I think is actually hurt by their popularity, as it made them feel like any other teenage fanclub band rather than the serious new wave band that they were.

Never really got into Black Flag or Henry Rollins but I can't deny their overall impact. Still, they're probably the least likely of your candidates so far to actually get into the Hall.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 12/8/2020 @ 10:16am

Michael W.,

Out of your predictions for the 2021 nominees (The B-52's, Bad Company, Beck, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Joe Cocker, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Cyndi Lauper, LL Cool J, Motorhead, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner). Which ones do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/8/2020 @ 15:37pm

Plebian,
Great work on your 12 Days segment so far. I've been reading but have not had much time to comment. I enjoyed your comments on Joy Division/New Order, also one of my nominee picks, and also the recognition of Jim Croce, who is a very unheralded singer/songwriter cut short on his career unfortunately. I believe that since Cat Stevens was worthy of nominee/induction, than there is a chance for Jim Croce, but it may take quite a few more years. Black Flag was an interesting choice, as I was somewhat involved in Punk of that time period, just more of a Dead Kennedys fan, and also X, Fear, Dickies, Wall Of Voodoo, Missing Persons for LA Punk/New Wave, and then of course the NYC Punk scene, and a lot of excellent Brit Punk occurring at the time.
I was wondering on your basis for your 12 choices that you picked. I understand your criteria for your points tallying for categories, but are your 12 picks according to some of your favorites, predictions, or some kind of random analysis? I was just a bit curious about that, but regardless of the nature of the inspiration, your presentation and information is on point and very entertaining.. Thanks.

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 12/8/2020 @ 18:05pm

Will N.,

Mostly random favorites from the Rock Hall Watchers. I try to differentiate all the acts by genre and so far I'm building up in a timeline of sorts (That's why I started with Dick Dale as he was early 60s). We are currently in the 80s now. The only ones that are super passionate choices so far are Black Flag, Jim Croce, and Nick Drake. The rest have been considered very long time snubs from not only me, but everyone else on the website. I try to not be too predictable, so I take consideration on certain acts that may or may not have ever gotten case studies on why they should be in the Hall. Hope that clears things up! :)

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/8/2020 @ 19:58pm

Who do you guys think will be the next Classic Rock acts inducted into the Rock Hall in the following order?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/8/2020 @ 21:46pm

Welcome to another installment of The 12 Days of Christmas Rock Hall wishlist! Last time we talked about the aggressive and anti-authority punk band Black Flag. Let's go!

9. Iron Maiden

It's freakin' Iron Maiden what do you think?! They're awesome!!!!!! Badass!!! Analysis done.

Discography: 4
Influence: 4
Cultural Impact: 4
Chances?: 3

Results: 15; In conclusion, Iron Maiden is worthy of being in the Rock Hall. Unfortunately, time will tell if the Hall will embrace Heavy Metal as the genre only has two from it (Black Sabbath and Metallica). They are kiosk/fan vote favorites so I would not be surprised if they jumped in and became number one. Though I wonder if Bruce and the others will actually attend considering they are boycotting the Hall. B-tier in importance from my results. That is all.

Nick, Sean, Michael W., The Dude , RG, Ben, Will N., and K-Dawg

Your thoughts?

Stay tuned for more!!!

1. Dick Dale
2. King Crimson
3. Nick Drake
4. Big Star
5. Jim Croce
6. Joy Division/ New Order
7. Duran Duran
8. Black Flag
9. Iron Maiden
10. ???

Coming Up!

"Despite all my rage, I'm still rat in a cage!"

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 00:40am

Is the change to at least 26 years temporary?

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 13:35pm

Technically, it has always been 26 years to be eligible since the Hall was founded (sort of).

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 13:46pm

The next installment of my 'Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project' is posted: #70-61

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject70-61

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 15:46pm

Rankings of my "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project" so far (#100-61)….
100. Liz Phair
99. Brook Benton
98. Queen Latifah
97. Squeeze
96. The Bangles
95. Billy Idol
94. Tracy Chapman
93. Tommy James and the Shondells
92. Carpenters
91. Alice in Chains
90. LaBelle
89. Tool
88. Cyndi Lauper
87. Dave Matthews Band
86. Grace Jones
85. Foreigner
84. Herbie Hancock
83. Siouxsie and the Banshees
82. Pavement
81. Mary Wells
80. Pet Shop Boys
79. Toots and the Maytals
78. No Doubt
77. Neil Sedaka
76. De La Soul
75. Daft Punk
74. X
73. Tori Amos
72. The Jam
71. Lesley Gore
70. Harry Nilsson
69. The Marvelettes
68. Peter Tosh
67. George Michael
66. Mary J. Blige
65. Wu-Tang Clan
64. Weezer
63. Diana Ross
62. Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio
61. The Dead Kennedys

I'll likely post #60-51 sometime mid-to-late next week.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 16:32pm

Now that 2020 is coming to a close, I would love to know what everyone's favorite new music from the year was.

My top ten favorite albums:
1. Fetch the Bolt Cutters - Fiona Apple
2. RTJ4 - Run The Jewels
3. Future Nostalgia - Dua Lipa
4. Punisher - Phoebe Bridgers
5. Shore - Fleet Foxes
6. Making a Door Less Open - Car Seat Headrest
7. SAWAYAMA - Rina Sawayama
8. After Hours - The Weeknd
9. Visions of Bodies Being Burned - Clipping
10. folklore - Taylor Swift

Honorable mentions are this years albums by Sufjan Stevens, HAIM, Bob Dylan, Lady Gaga, Charli XCX, Thundercat, & Meghan Thee Stallion

Also, some scattered thoughts on what this year's new releases mean for artists chances at being inducted into the Rock Hall:

- Taylor Swift, who is now in her fourteenth year of superstardom, released an album that is not only a genre turn from upbeat electropop to introspective indie folk, but also very well received critically, as well as a massive commercial success. If she wasn't already pretty likely to be inducted, I think folklore made her a lock for eventual induction, perhaps even FYE.

- Fiona Apple, although not the most prolific artist, is now 5/5 for excellent art pop records that evolve her sound. She becomes eligible in just a year, and while I think her lack of output and not being a strong singles artist may keep her off the ballot for a while, she is still one of the most respected singer/songwriters out there, and new music from her being this fresh and successful 24 years into her career is a great sign for her eventually getting in.

- The Strokes and Deftones also strongly added to their induction arguments by releasing big, critically acclaimed albums 20+ years into their career.

- Lady Gaga & The Weeknd, as established artists that have been around for a decent number of years, somewhat added to their induction chances by releasing popular and positive-but-not-overwhelmingly-positively acclaimed albums. Fleet Foxes & Sufjan Stevens are also in this category, but I feel that their chances are less overall because of their indie-ness.

- As another major artist that becomes eligible in a year, Eminem also released an album this year, which was okay. I don't think it affected his chances much, though, as his legacy is already pretty much cemented.

I would love to hear all of your thoughts on 2020 in music, favorites, and who made a case for themselves this year.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 16:35pm

As we don't have a major new rock station in my area of the country and I have to largely get non-heavy stuff by proxy, there have been a few new acts that I do appreciate.

Dua Lipa was mentioned. But also, on the dance/hip hop front, I have discovered and appreciate (apologies if they make you laugh) Doja Cat, Megan Thee Stallion (her stuff without Cardi B's infamous song), Roddy Ricch and Harry Styles. The Weeknd's new album is great, but he's already damn good.

Really, herein lies the problem with music today. Rock has taken a back seat, but you hear the same music over and over in an increasing amount of stations. New music (both in terms of newly released and previously undiscovered material) is harder and harder to come by unless you go Googling on the Internet or rely on a streaming service, which is where popularity is flocking to. And, in the current atmosphere, with covid worries, there aren't people going out to venues to check out local stuff or fans of music just sharing their faves with acquaintances or friends. I've expanded my listening radius, as always, but it's been harder the past few years to really start figuring out who the stars are that will be in the class of 2045 and beyond.

The 2010s are now in the rear view mirror, and apart from a couple like Rihanna and Lady Gaga, who really cemented themselves as surefire futurer HOFers?

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 18:00pm

In my opinion, Mastodon, Slipknot, Opeth & TV on the Radio solidified themselves as future Hall of Famers.

Yes, I am a metalhead and indie rock fan. Because some of today's pop does not interest me.

Posted by John Mangee on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 18:12pm

K-Dawg,

From my perspective here is some I think deserve consideration of the 2000s and 2010s:

Frank Ocean
Childish Gambino
Lady Gaga
Rihanna
Paramore
System Of A Down
Coldplay
Adele
Beyoncé
Destiny's Child
St. Vincent
Arcade Fire
Deftones
Linkin Park
Jay-Z
MCR
The White Stripes
The Strokes
The Arctic Monkeys
Gorillaz
Tyler the Creator
Kendrick Lamar
Janelle Monae
Slipknot

This from the top of my head so bear with me.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 19:10pm

Plebian & K-Dawg,

I like Plebian's list of potentials and would add Kanye West, Ariana Grande, Amy Winehouse, Taylor Swift, The Killers, Vampire Weekend, Lorde, Tame Impala, The Weeknd, Billie Eilish if she keeps up the momentum, and I'm sure others that aren't coming to me right now. Obviously it's too soon to say what kind of legacy some of these artists will have. There are plenty of 2010s artists that are likely to be considered by the time they're eligible, it's just that very few of them are what we traditionally think of as Rock, because that's just not where the musical zeitgeist is anymore.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 19:22pm

@ Plebian

For newly eligibles, future eligibles and beyond, these are among the most deserving on my list so far.

Foo Fighters (of course)
Deftones (Also now eligible)
Slipknot
System of a Down
Muse
Queens of the Stone Age
The White Stripes
Dragonforce
Linkin Park
Killswitch Engage
The Strokes
My Chemical Romance
Mastodon
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Franz Ferdinand
The Killers
Bring Me The Horizon
Paramore
A Day To Remember
Health
Babymetal
Deafheaven
Alabama Shakes

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 19:29pm

@ Plebian

For newly eligibles, future eligibles and beyond, these are among the most deserving on my list so far.

Foo Fighters (of course)
Deftones (Also now eligible)
Slipknot
System of a Down
Muse
Queens of the Stone Age
The White Stripes
Dragonforce
Linkin Park
Killswitch Engage
The Strokes
My Chemical Romance
The Black Keys
Mastodon
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Franz Ferdinand
The Killers
Bring Me The Horizon
Paramore
A Day To Remember
Tame Impala
Cage The Elephant
Health
Babymetal
Deafheaven
Alabama Shakes

EDITED

Forget to name a few more.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 19:38pm

I would add Death Cab for Cutie, Modest Mouse, and Coldplay as well

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 21:01pm

The Dude, RG, K-Dawg,

This talk of 2000s and 2010s music acts makes feel old yet I'm not even that old. Was there an act for some of y'all that once they got inducted or became eligible, you realized "Damn! I'm getting old!" Mine was realized with Eminem next year.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 21:23pm

Greg F, Plebian, Michael W., The Dude, RG, Ben, Will N., and K-Dawg,

Here's all the predictions for the 2021 nominees made by major Rock Hall Watchers so far and they are:

Charles Crossley Jr.:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner

Zoot Marimba:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
New York Dolls
John Prine
Todd Rundgren
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

AlexVoltaire:

The B-52's
Mary J. Blige
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Nick Bambach:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Big Star
Dave Matthews Band
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
Motorhead
Harry Nilsson
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Gil Scott-Heron
Tina Turner

Now, Out of all of the predictions for the 2021 nominees made by major Rock Hall Watchers so far, Which one do you guys think is the most realistic?.

Also, If any of these predictions for the 2021 nominees made by major Rock Hall Watchers so far turn out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of all of those lists?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 22:41pm

Plebian,

I'm actually not quite there yet lol, I suspect I'm the youngest regular poster on this site. I think I'll get there in the year when Beyonce, Kanye West, Arcade Fire, and Amy Winehouse become eligible.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 23:04pm

If I sound like I grew up in the 70s, I didn't. I grew up in the late 80s and 90s. However, by heredity and interest I have an interest in music all the way back to the early 20th century.

that said, I like to think I use a unique perspective to equate how music has changed in such a short time. Rock and rap aren't known to be mutually inclusive, and I am one of the few I know that absolutely loves both.

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 12/9/2020 @ 23:11pm

K-Dawg,

Another question for you. You think the Hall will start to induct 6-7 now that we almost approaching the 2000s? I mean I know they can't induct everyone, but man the amount of artists becoming eligible and snubs becoming even more apparent really worries me. They will probably have to seriously speed run just to get all of them.

RG,

I'm about the same age as you so don't worry man. Eminem came to my mind first and honestly I would feel really old when the likes of Coldplay, Taylor Swift, and etc. become eligible as I pretty much heard their music most of my life.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 00:44am

Plebian,

I'm just going to throw this in. I was old around the time Aerosmith, Queen, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, Talking Heads and Isaac Hayes were inducted. So I've been old for years. I am 55. I'm Old. It ain't so bad. Just thought I'd give representation for my generation. LOL

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 04:51am

Alright guys now that the 2020 induction ceremony is finally over with, I would like to share my predictions for the Class of 2021, here it is.

Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
Jay - Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Tina Turner

Award For Musical Excellence
Todd Rundgren

Special Guests/Presenters:
Elton John
Paul McCartney
Mike Shinoda of Linkin Park
Dave Mustaine of Megadeth
Moby
Beyonce
Brian Eno

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 06:01am

Nick, love your series. Very well written. Have learned alot about various acts mentioned so far. Here is how I would rank those you have reviewed so far:

100. Grace Jones
99. Brook Benton
98. Daft Punk
97. Harry Nilsson
96. Tracy Chapman
95. Liz Phair
94. LaBelle
93. Herby Hancock
92. Pavement
91. Dead Kennedys
90. Dave Mathews Band
89. Siouxie & the Banshees
88. Lesley Gore
87. Pet Shop Boys
86. The Bangles
85. Billy Idol
84. Diana Ross
83. Queen Latifah
82. Cindy Lauper
81. The Jam
80. Johnny Burnette and the Rock n Roll Trio
79. Tool
78. Tori Amos
77. Mary Wells
76. George Michael
75. De La Soul
74. Squeeze
73. Neil Sedaka
72. Foreigner
71. Toots and the Maytals
70. Tommy James and the Shondells
69. Wu Tang Clan
68. The Marvalettes
67. X
66. Peter Tosh
65. Weezer
64. No Doubt
63. Mary J. Blige
62. Carpenters
61. Alice in Chains

Keep em coming!

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 08:46am

Ben, I'm 61 so you're not that old....yet :-)

Don't feel mentally old. Body is beginning to creak a bit, though.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 08:52am

Plebian, Dude, Ben, Paul,

Anyone else have thoughts on the new music of 2020?

Posted by RG on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 11:09am

RG,

JR Weekes made his predictions for the 2021 ballot recently and his predictions are:

Alice In Chains
Bad Company
Beck
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
John Prine
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Smiths
Tina Turner
Weezer

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 12:33pm

Deftones, Seether, Lamb of God, Grey Daze, Bring Me The Horizon, and The Strokes put out the best albums of the year for me. As for Five Finger Death Punch, nothing beats War Is The Answer, but F8 is my fourth favorite album from their catalog behind American Capitalist.

Linkin Park easily put out the best re-release of the year with Hybrid Theory to celebrate it's 20th Anniversary, and it was recently certified as a twelve time platinum (diamond) by the RIAA.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 12:35pm

Here's another great metal band that solidified themselves as future Hall of Famers in the 2010s: DragonForce.

Posted by John Mangee on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 13:12pm

Too many to count, but I did like the new Gorillaz and The Strokes music. 2000s staples back in full force! I don't follow lots of new music, but when I hear about it I tend to remember the artist even if I don't listen to them that much. 2010s is gonna be an interesting look back when the time comes. We might get some FYE that we did not know would come.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 14:09pm

Welcome to yet another look into the 12 Days of Christmas wishlist! Last time we talked about Iron Maiden. Cool and badass am I right? Onward!

10. The Smashing Pumpkins

"Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel." Groundbreaking and one of the first 90s acts to hit big, the Smashing Pumpkins brought in new life of the music scene with their theatrical looks and lyrics of discontent to the mix. Billy Corgan remains to be one of most innovative music geniuses ever, but his band members carry the baggage in the likes of drummer Jimmy Chamberlain, the sexy Darcy Wretzky, and the enigmatic James Iha. Even after their heyday, The Smashing Pumpkins continue to adapt well with the modern music scene and create works of art. Billy, James, and Jimmy would join to the induction, but Darcy might sit it at and get a mere shout. Also helps that James Iha might be the first Asian to be inducted in the Rock Hall and Billy's conservative nature adds more to counter the Hall's very liberal views.

Discography: 4
Influence: 4
Cultural Impact: 5
Chances?: 5

Results: 18; In conclusion, The Smashing Pumpkins are certainly deserving of the Rock Hall honor. Now that NIN has broken the barrier, it seems that more 90s acts will represent the decade even more. The good news is that The Smashing Pumpkins are at the front of the line.
A-tier in importance I might add.

Michael W, John Mangee, Ben, Paul in KY, K-Dawg, RG, The Dude,

Your thoughts?

Tune in next time!

1. Dick Dale
2. King Crimson
3. Nick Drake
4. Big Star
5. Jim Croce
6. Joy Division/ New Order
7. Duran Duran
8. Black Flag
9. Iron Maiden
10. The Smashing Pumpkins
11. ???

Coming Up!

"What's cooler than being cool? Ice cold!!"

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 14:34pm

Smashing Pumpkins does have a connection to Irving Azoff who was the band's manger, so I wouldn't be surprised if they get nominated and inducted a few years from now or so.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 15:00pm

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 15:55pm

The Dude,

Considering Irving Azoff gave us Journey, Bon Jovi, Stevie Nicks (the fans wanted her but he manages her too), and the Doobies, I don't think he wants to offer a group that was successful in the 90's and would rather focus on the contemporaries of the groups he already helped induct.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 18:02pm

You have left out Foreigner and America. These two groups are way over due like the Doobie Brothers were until this year.

Posted by Cindy on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 18:46pm

I was referring to acts that were inducted into the hall because of Azoffs' influence on the Nom Com. If he manages either of those, I think he is more likely to advocate for them than Smashing Pumpkins.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 18:52pm

I would bet serious money that The Pumpkins will go in some day. Next few years, I think. We inducted them in our 2016 class. Pretty close to being FYEs for us.

Nice writeup!

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 19:03pm

@ Follower

He also gave us the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Steely Dan, Van Halen, Gun N' Roses, and Black Sabbath who were also connected to him. Most of them were they're manager, some have and/or had a different type of connection to him. I don't think Irving Azoff is ready for the 90's yet either right now, since the living boomer inductees still dominants the voting body. He's probably waiting for Soundgarden, Rage Against The Machine, and Foo Fighters to get in first before he could push for either the Pumpkins or No Doubt for a nomination. This year, I think his project will most likely be Boston. If not, then he could go with either the Go-Go's, Warren Zevon, or Devo (which Dave Ghorl will easily go on board).

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 19:44pm

Plebian, I agree with you completely about Dick Dale, Jim Croce, King Crimson, Joy Division/New Order, Iron Maiden & Duran Duran. But let me give you my take on Smashing Pumpkins:

I do believe Smashing Pumpkins will eventually be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. However, it's NOT gonna be on the first try. Not because of the quality of their music or are how popular they are with the fans. The Pumpkins earn straight A's on both marks. But because of one man: Billy Corgan.

Billy Corgan is a brilliant musician and songwriter. But you have to remember that he's had a hard time getting along with his bandmates. And while Billy's respected by the critics, he's not liked by the critics. I can't remember where I read this, but if I recall correctly, Billy doesn't have a lot of friends in the music world. Some of the people who don't like him may be on the Nominating Committee, and...well, they might be a little less than thrilled about inducting Smashing Pumpkins because of Billy Corgan.

Again, I do think Smashing Pumpkins WILL get into the Hall. But Billy's gonna have to be patient. With a capital P.

Posted by John Mangee on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 20:26pm

John Mangee,

What are your predictions for the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 21:30pm

Alabama should have been inducted 10 years ago. They have 40 #1 Hits. How many groups have done that. Sure some of the #1 Hits Overlap. #1 in Adult Contemporary, #1 Country etc. Most think of them as Country but they also can be Southern Rock. Last time I checked, the band plugged in and had the requisite guitars, drums, bass guitar etc you think of in a rock group. Excellent vocals. You could argue Alabama is the biggest snub of them all. Love In The First Degree and Mountain Music were monster hits. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 22:17pm

KING,

As much as I love Alabama, I think that if a Country act were to get nominated/inducted into the Rock Hall, it would be more in the lines of Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline, Dolly Parton, Loretta Lynn, Merle Haggard, George Jones, Waylon Jennings, Buck Owens, Kris Kristofferson, Emmylou Harris, Garth Brooks or even Shania Twain. Those with more solid Rock & Roll credentials than Alabama IMO.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/10/2020 @ 22:29pm

I disagree with what seems like a majority here about the Pumpkins. I think the first time they get nommed, they will either skate in or it will be on the very next year. I also think it will be this year. I haven't predicted my inductees yet, just nominees. But, with the trends of NIN going in this year, it opens the door for the next biggest non-grunge revolution band to make its entrance into the RRHOF. Billy Corgan is one polarizing bastard, but he is also one of the most brilliant personalities still not enshrined. The biggest stigma, and the thing that could very well lead to the Hall taking the easy route and putting in the Foo Fighters out of order, is the fact that D'arcy is not back with the band. The four founding members would be a home run for the Hall if they were to reunite and perform. You have 3 currently, and with their breakdowns already, the Hall has a gender and an Asian component of the band. There's many reasons, not all of them the best, but the Pumpkins are worthy of consideration and enshrinement on their merits alone. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadeness is the best double album of the 90s. So, I feel like they are shoo-ins for the Hall. Logic has never been its strong suit, though, so we shall see...

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 00:31am

Welcome to another 12 Days of Christmas Rock Hall Wishlist! Last time we talked about the 90s superstars, The Smashing Pumpkins. Let us go shall we!

11. OutKast

"Cure for cancer, cure for aids..." With flows that resonates back to old school hip-hop, OutKast became one of the most popular rap acts of the 2000s, standing head to shoulder with giants such as 50 Cent and Eminem. Their career gave more spotlight to the southern rap scene something that was unknown back then. Andre 3000 and Big Boi are the modern Eric B. And Rakim in rap with each contributing on the sound and lyrics. Stankonia's reputation as one the decade-defining albums of the 2000s grows as the mainstream has been taken over by rap. Surely both Big Boi and Andre 3000 have pitch the hatchet and will definitely reunite for the honor.

Discography: 4
Influence: 4
Cultural Impact: 5
Chances?: 5

Results: 18; In conclusion, OutKast is deserving of the honor of the Rock Hall. Obviously, maybe after Eminem and LL Cool J they will be considered. On the other hand, if the Hall has balls and lets TWO rap acts in for the class I can see them along LL Cool J or whatnot. A-tier in importance based on my conclusion.

K-Dawg (this one is for you boy!), The Dude, Nick, KING, RG, John Mangee, Paul in KY, Will N. , Michael W.

Your opinion?

We are almost there people!

1. Dick Dale
2. King Crimson
3. Nick Drake
4. Big Star
5. Jim Croce
6. Joy Division/ New Order
7. Duran Duran
8. Black Flag
9. Iron Maiden
10. The Smashing Pumpkins
11. OutKast
12. ???

Coming up!

Can you imagine starting your career in a genre and then inadvertently creating another based on that genre?

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 00:50am

Well played, Plebian

I will say one thing about Outkast. Ms. Jackson is one of the best rap songs ever. I can't explain so much as to say listen to it. It is done in perfect sync between Big Boi and Andre, it proves that they don't need suggestive lyrics or tough guy image to sell it (not that there is anything wrong with that), and it shatters 8 trillion stereotypes about rap not being artistic or evolved from traditional rock and roll.

Rosa Parks is a fun song, so is So Fresh and So Clean. And BOB? Look it up. And this is before they did Speakerboxx/The Love Below which put them over the stratosphere...

The drawback to the group? Like LL Cool J, they don't have the controversy that put their genre on the map. That is both good and bad, but for a venue that uses controversy or adoration to sell its tickets, it can make them wait awhile...

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 01:37am

PERFORMERS
The Dave Matthews Band (make up for last year)
The Sugarhill Gang (so they can have their ****ing rap act)
Soundgarden (make up for Cornell's death)
Backstreet Boys (big act)
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer (make up for their deaths)
The Smiths (the next post punk act)
EARLY INFLUENCE
Louis Prima (jump blues legend)
AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
The Jeff Beck Group (to get Rod Stewart in a third time)
NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 02:53am

Paul in KY,

It was a half a Joke about feeling old. Plebian and others were talking about 2000s and 2010s was making them feel old. So to be a wise guy I was pointing out that I started to feel old when Aerosmith, Queen, Isaac Hayes,etc were inducted, These are acts that were huge when I was a kid in the 1970s. I love acts like the Doors, Cream, Gr Dead, Allman Brothers B, Neil Young, Pink Floyd and Al Green and others, But those acts started out before me a bit. But Aerosmith, Queen and Isaac Hayes. became famous during my actual time grwoing up. So it's funny hearing some feeling old with the 200s talked about. Personally I don't feel that old at 55. I don't feel that mentally old. But it was interesting when Aersomith for instance were inducted. They got very famous in my Teens, Albums like Draw the Line and the later Permanent Vacation are albums of my young years.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 04:24am

I've seen a bunch of hip hop acts. Not really my cup of tea, but I've seen them. OutKast is the greatest hip hop act I've ever seen. That set at Hangout! Man, I wish y'all could have been there...

They should have been FYEs. I will be flabbergasted if they don't go in in the next 5 years.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 06:53am

Ben, I sure heard ALOT of Aerosmith in my teens! Too much! Glad you feel good at 55.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 06:56am

There may be bigger snubs out there, but I'm not sure there will be an eventual induction that will make me personally happier than OutKast's.

Posted by RG on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 08:36am

Catching up a bit.

Plebian,

Your last three artists all stand a very good chance of induction in the near future.

I was not a metal fan back in the day but I still knew about Iron Maiden. They managed to maintain their metal credibility while still crafting songs that got some mainstream attention like Run to the Hills. And having Eddie on all their album covers only added to their notoriety.

I actually thought that Smashing Pumpkins had been nominated before, but I guess I was wrong. Whenever they do get the nom (I have them on my prediction list for this year) they stand a good chance of induction. The 90's had a lot of tortured geniuses and Billy Corgan is at the head of that class.

I straight up LOVES me some Outkast, particularly B.O.B., The Whole World, and Elevators. It will be an absolute party when they get in.

Nick,

Lotsa good stuff in your latest installment as well. Numbers 68-63 could all see themselves nominated in the near future I think, and the Dead Kennedys could be somewhere down the line. The earlier artists may have a tougher time getting attention, though I'd like to see them on the ballot.

As far as feeling old goes, there haven't been any nominations that made me feel particularly old, but I do have a couple stories.

In 1997 I had a couple young roommates and I mentioned to them that Duran Duran was the first concert I'd ever attended. They looked at me and said they had no idea who Duran Duran was. Keep in mind this was just a couple years after the Wedding Album had been out.

Then in the early 2000's my wife and I were going to see a concert and for some reason couldn't remember Vince Neil's name. Don't recall why we were trying to think of him. When we got up the person who we paid for parking, we asked the girl if she knew who the lead singer of Motley Crue was. She flat out said to us, "I'm sorry. I'm not that old" Ouch!

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 11:04am

I've been a huge advocate for OutKast's Rock Hall chances this past year, so definitely check these out if haven't done so already.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hall-watchers/id1466298954?i=1000496917011

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/rockhallcontendersoutkast

Posted by Nick on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 12:18pm

Smashing Pumpkins are a lock to get inducted into the Rock Hall. It's a matter of when at this point. If you notice in the past few years, the Rock Hall has been very cautious with the 90s rock bands they've been inducting. It seems like the critically-acclaimed ones are getting in first (as they probably should because they're the more inventive, visionary types) such as Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails. That's why I think we're not too far off from the likes of Rage Against the Machine, Smashing Pumpkins and Beck (among others) from entering the Hall. All 3 of these artists are highly regarded by the critics who, let's face it, turn in their ballots the most consistently every year. Personally, I'd bet on RATM to get inducted next year, but Smashing Pumpkins or Beck would be welcoming choices.

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the bands/artists that influenced Smashing Pumpkins didn't waltz right in. Pink Floyd, Depeche Mode and David Bowie (among others) struggled so that might be why (a) Smashing Pumpkins hasn't appeared on a ballot yet and (b) would struggle with voters. Pearl Jam, as a counterpoint, was very much influenced by classic rock-era artists and those artists went right in (e.g., Neil Young, Doors).

Compared to, say the 80s, 90s populist choices doesn't seem to be a lock for induction. Maybe that's why Soundgarden and Dave Matthews Band are struggling (I'd add Weezer and Alice In Chains to this group too tbh).. This isn't to suggest these two artists won't get (it's the opposite, they're locks too down at the road) but it will be a struggle to get them into the Rock Hall. Although I do believe Soundgarden's RH induction is impending and will happen in the next 2-3 years (If I had to guess).

Posted by Nick on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 12:29pm

Does KING know that Alabama is the biggest selling band in America not in the hall? (That is also old enough. Maroon 5 has them beat.)

Posted by Follower on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 12:33pm

Great OutKast article, Nick!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 13:26pm

Nick,

Out of your predictions for the 2021 nominees (The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, Harry Nilsson, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Gil Scott-Heron and Tina Turner). Which ones do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 13:33pm

Richie, do you ever get tire of asking questions? Yes, that was a question.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 14:11pm

I would have Alabama on my Nomination list but I've been trying to have Gram and Emmylou Harris inducted. This Emmylou Harris Nomination and Induction should have happened a long time ago. She'll have the votes I believe. Her collaborations with Gram, Mark Knopfler, The Band, and many other legends. Impressive! She's beloved and respected. I see some good nominations here at FRL but Alabama has 40 #1 Songs. Love In The First Degree, Mountain Music , Song Of The South are Classics. With rap opening there own Hall Of Fame Museum soon, I wonder if those acts will end up like country. Frozen out nomination time. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 14:15pm

"It seems like the critically-acclaimed ones are getting in first (as they probably should because they're the more inventive, visionary types) such as Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails."

- Nick

Not if they lack PURE mainstream popularity and PURE commercial success. With the exception of Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green Day, and Dave Matthews Band, the general public largely sees the 90's as a fad in music. Most Gen X's like the 80's more. That's why the Hall was cautious about the decade, and most people including casual listeners don't considered to them to be part of the "golden era" of music.

"Compared to, say the 80s, 90s populist choices doesn't seem to be a lock for induction. Maybe that's why Soundgarden and Dave Matthews Band are struggling (I'd add Weezer and Alice In Chains to this group too tbh).. "

- Nick

You do realize both the online fan ballot and kiosk are rigged, which were HORRIBLE business decisions, and a bad sign of stubbornness and stupidity. They stole Mötley Crue's nomination last year, and also stole Dave Matthews Band's induction, which is cheating. The Class of 2020 was a commercial failure due to consumer and fan frustrations - NOT the ongoing pandemic.

When the induction special was aired on first night, the ratings were low, and they even had some layoffs. That's what happens when you don't give what the consumers want the most; it causes alienation and boycotts just like what it's also happening to major sports leagues like the NFL and Hollywood. When you get out of touch, you go broke. Consumerism matters, and should always comes first, and needs to be always first no matter how much you don't like certain names.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 14:30pm

The Dude,

What do you mean when you say that the kiosk and fan vote were "rigged". You've used that phrase a number of times and I think it means something different for you than it does for me.

To me, when a vote is rigged, it means that the outcome is predetermined regardless of the actual votes. So that would mean that Motley Crue won the kiosk vote because the Hall set things so that they would win it, no matter who people actually voted for. It seems to me that you are saying that the results of those votes were blatantly disregarded by the Hall, or at the very least not taken into consideration, which is much different than rigging a vote. Just looking for clarification so I can fully understand the point you're making.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 14:42pm

@ Michael W

It's actually possible some of the actual winners of the fan ballot were grandfathered in to avoid an uproar from fans, and blew it big time with DMB. While I was listening to Who Cares About The Rock Hall, Joe once said most of voters he met didn't vote for Bon Jovi, and they're now in. The kiosk was made to demand for a nomination if an eligible act has the most votes other than expanding and setting up the Nom Com - not suggest.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 15:01pm

Michael W
What The Dude is referring to is Motley Crue and having the most votes at the Kiosk. In recent years, the highest vote total at the Kiosk received 1 of the nominations on the ballot. Greg Harris RRHOF President has stated that he presented to the Committee the Kiosk votes and things. I don't know how many but I would think the Top 10 or Top 12 finishers of the Kiosk Voting. This would be extra data or information for the Committee to consider and utilize in their nomination discussions. Instead of selecting Motley Crue for a spot on the ballot, the Committee decided on Dave Matthews Band. In defense of the Committee, DMB is usually Top 5 in the Kiosk Voting every year. They have a cult-like loyal fan base and have some strong credentials in #1 albums. Also, they make plenty of money during their tours. I think I read since 2000 DMB is #1 in money generated through concert ticket sales. Remember Motley Crue was red hot the last few years. They had that Dirt movie that was popular. Motley Crue should have received a nomination by now. Especially since hard rock/metal contemporaries Bon Jovi and Def Leppard have earned induction. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 15:15pm

For some reason, the hard rock and metal groups are having a difficult time getting Inducted. 1. Judas Priest- Should have been inducted 5-10 years ago. Their influence on heavy metal is undeniable. Halford's soaring, operatic vocals, the signature black leather outfits, the twin guitar attack (Thin Lizzy and Wishbone Ash also popularized this). Hopefully, a JP induction will break the logjam.
2. Motley Crue-Can't have a Rock & Roll HOF without the Crue. They stirred the 80's hard rock/metal drink and into the 90's. Motley Crue and Ratt were important in the LA scene. They opened the doors for future metal bands to get signed. Some Classic songs: Girls, Girls, Girls, Home Sweet Home, Kickstart My Heart, Looks That Kill, Too Young To Fall In Love, etc. I think Motley Crue were underrated songwriters. My FAV is Girl Don't Go Away Mad.
3. Scorpions-These guys are just great. A real global band. I mean these guys have sold over 100 million records world-wide. How many music artists on these Nomination lists have sold more than the Scorpions. So many Classic Songs. No One Like You, Rock You Like A Hurricane, Send Me An Angel, Still Loving You, The Zoo, Wind Of Change etc. I like the song Arizona. I will nominate that in January. They have been around since 1965. Should be inducted years ago.
4. Iron Maiden-I hear people talking about snubs on the site all the time. Iron Maiden might be the biggest snub of all. I don't understand that they have never been nominated. Every music fan knows the Iron Maiden Classics: Aces High, Flight Of Icarus, Run To The Hills, The Trooper, Wasted Years, etc. My sister and I are Adrian Smith fans. You never hear him mentioned as 1 of the guitar greats.
5. Queensryche-They might take 5 years or more to receive a nomination. However, Operation:Mindcrime and Empire are Classic albums. Every song on Empire should have been a hit. It's still on King's heavy CD rotation. Geoff Tate is 1 of the best singers I've heard. He can really hit the high notes. I Don't Believe In Love is a KING FAV. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 15:46pm

The Dude, You have a source to back up these claims? If not, it's here say. Obviously not the 2016 ballot but the most recent one. Motley Crue not getting a nomination says more about the nominating committee than anything else. There's no guidelines that says they have to nominate the top vote go-getter on the kiosk. The same could be said for the online fan vote.

And you do realize that the induction ceremony is the biggest fundraiser for the Rock Hall, right? When there's no ceremony (like this year) because a pandemic is happening, it's unfair to say it's a commercial failure.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 15:51pm

@ Nick

The Hall is more of a business that was built for masses first and foremost. REAL fundraising/non-profit organizations are more local than national/international and don't have any corporate ties. The backlashes from DMB and Mötley on social media prove both the kiosk and online fan ballot are rigged. That's why it's fair to call the newest class a commercial flop. The Non Com members are business employees, and they're supposed to listen to the what the general public wants the most. Imagine if you work a store while not listening to your costumer, and not giving what he or she wants. You'd easily get fired for that, and that should be a new business rule for the Hall.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 16:09pm

Of course the Rock Hall is a business. I think I've made that clear several times in the past and even in one of the posts I made earlier today. It's always the bottom dollar with them. Doesn't make it always right nor will I justify their logic (or lack thereof) for that.

I can't help but think you have you have a slanted take on the 2020 class that feels more like feeding into conspiracy theories than rock-solid facts. The biggest problem is the lack of transparency at the Rock Hall. When they won't reveal the results and final tallies, controversies like this will never go away. And I'm a proponent for them to reveal the final numbers and more transparency at the Rock Hall. No secret keepers and what have you not. But to say it's a failure because hardcore fan bases are outraged with the results doesn't mean it's rigged. It shows how out of touch the voting body is with the general public (who have one vote from a pool of a thousand). I even suggested making the fan vote count for a % because there's more at stake. One vote is meaningless and a waste of energy/time.

I thought you'd even say the ratings for the event were a flop which I mean isn't fair either because a major political election was called that night. The Rock Hall couldn't catch a break with the 2020 class and I felt bad for them after a while. They just couldn't win with this class.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 16:28pm

@ Nick

Clearly, you're not looking at certain fans' worlds. I'm not making any theories, I'm putting out the facts most of the watchers here won't say nor admit. Some of y'all are even are even afraid to hear certain things related to Hall in order to "feel good." What I post are real and elaborate comments. And no, not event the Victory Speech was the reason why this class was a commercial flop.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 16:44pm

I will apologize if I was a bit harsh in the previous post to make a larger point.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 16:44pm

Clearly, you're not looking at certain fans' worlds. I'm not making any theories, I'm putting out the facts most of the watchers here won't say nor admit. Some of y'all are even afraid to hear certain things related to Hall in order to "feel good." What I post are real and elaborate comments. And no, not even the Victory Speech was the reason why this class was a commercial flop.

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 16:47pm

'I'm putting out the facts most of the watchers here won't say nor admit. Some of y'all are even are even afraid to hear certain things related to Hall in order to "feel good." What I post are real and elaborate comments.'

Couldn't anyone say that to make their points justifiable? Doesn't make it right or true. But you're right thou, I don't think cult fan groups who bark the loudest at the Rock Hall necessarily equates to ballot irregularities and/or fraud. And I'm confused what you're getting at here to be frank. I

Posted by Nick on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 17:21pm

Everyone has their opinions, but I see the class of 2020 as mostly a home run. Most of the acts inducted fit a genre deserving of representation, the majority of which are criminally underrepresented in favor of the "rock" part itself.

The only knock I have on the class is the omission of arguably a dozen worthy acts, of which is unfeasible because of standard quotas set previously. I will, however, continue to scorn and bash the hall for omitting Kraftwerk above all others, because its the most glaring absence of a pioneer of a major genre.

Just my .02, but I can see either viewpoint on the subject of the class...

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 17:24pm

And I agree K-Dawg, 2020 was a great class regardless of how this unfolded.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 17:27pm

This past year, We saw 2 70's acts, 2 80's acts and 2 90's acts all get inducted for 2020, Now, If 2021 is a repeat of 2020 and we see 2 70's acts, 2 80's acts and 2 90's acts become the 2021 inductees (if there are six inductees again this year just like last year), Which 2 70's acts, Which 2 80's acts and Which 2 90's acts do you guys see being inducted if the 2021 class is a repeat of 2020's class?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 17:29pm

2021 maybe the year Kraftwerk finally gets in. Unfortunately I feel the Hall is gonna have only 5 for the 2021 class because of the pandemic and I get that they will not make it again.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 18:07pm

Plebian,

What are your latest predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 18:13pm

I've gotta echo Nick here, The Dude. What "facts" are you telling us?

"You do realize both the online fan ballot and kiosk are rigged, which were HORRIBLE business decisions, and a bad sign of stubbornness and stupidity."

Not a fact. It would be rigged if they promised that the winner would be automatically nominated/inducted, and then reneged on that promise or modified the vote in order to choose the winner of the kiosk/fan vote themselves. Currently neither is true. At the moment, the kiosk just functions as a suggestion of who people who visit the museum think should be nominated.

As for the fan ballot, wouldn't it only matter if the process IS rigged? It's not like the committee looks at the fan vote and then decides who to induct from it, the votes are independently cast by hundreds of people in the voting body who have their own tastes in music, and may or may not know or care about who won the fan vote. I do think they should be more transparent to make sure that's what's actually happening, but the final results not lining up with the fan vote isn't evidence of any kind of rigging.

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"They stole Mötley Crue's nomination last year, and also stole Dave Matthews Band's induction, which is cheating."

Not a fact. The accurate version of this statement is 'They didn't take the museum-goer's suggestion of nominating Motley Crue, and the votes cast by the voting body didn't reflect the results of the fan vote. I am disappointed about this and wish they would change their process to give the fans more of a voice."

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"The Class of 2020 was a commercial failure due to consumer and fan frustrations - NOT the ongoing pandemic. When the induction special was aired on first night, the ratings were low, and they even had some layoffs." "And no, not even the Victory Speech was the reason why this class was a commercial flop."

Well, why wasn't it the pandemic or the speech? Having to close your museum for months and not bring in any revenue is a very good way to need to make layoffs (just like every other museum has done during the pandemic). And the low ratings can easily be explained by a combination of a) having to delay the special by six months, b) it being virtual and not including any performances, c) a significant lack of promotion, and d) occurring at the exact same time as a major newsworthy political event. Again, you have made this statement repeatedly, but have never backed it up with any evidence other than 'people in fan communities are angry.' If you have some kind of poll that shows that 75% of people who didn't visit the museum this year did so because they were frustrated with the Hall as an institution, and 25% because of the pandemic, I would love to see it, but you don't because nobody would make that poll.

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"While I was listening to Who Cares About The Rock Hall, Joe once said most of voters he met didn't vote for Bon Jovi, and they're now in."

Again, anecdotal. He didn't talk to every voter, or even a significant percentage. Using this as evidence that it's rigged comes off the same way as the people saying "Well everyone *I* know voted for Trump, so Biden can't have won fairly."

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"Consumerism matters, and should always comes first, and needs to be always first no matter how much you don't like certain names."
Opinion, not a fact. Also, should artists that are influential or critically acclaimed but not commercially successful just not be considered?

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"What I post are real and elaborate comments."
Well, they're definitely one of those things.

Posted by RG on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 19:21pm

I love it how some of y'all here are wrong about it here. Both the kiosk and fan ballot are still rigged unless the Hall change it's act quickly. The negative reactions from fans are enough as proof.

"Also, should artists that are influential or critically acclaimed but not commercially successful just not be considered?"

Acts who lack pure mainstream popularity and pure commercial success comes second cause they're more harder to capitalize the Hall. That's why it took so long for Deep Purple, the Zombies, and T. Rex to get inducted. The Masses only know these bands for "Smoke On The Water," "Time of the Season," and " Bang a Gong (Get It On)," and nothing else.

They coulda done the same thing with Radiohead by making wait for another twenty years or so, since most people only know them for "Creep" and that's it. They're not marketable as Mötley and DMB nor they're ever will be. But no, they have to bow down to press with an elite attitude run by Starbucks, drinking hipsters who have no knowledge in business cause they're afraid of being roasted, which is why the masses are still having frustrations with it.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 20:31pm

Still not hearing any evidence for the opinions that you are presenting as fact...

Also, Radiohead has four Platinum albums in the US. Motley Crue and DMB have more, sure, but Radiohead is not the underground critical darling with no mainstream public support that you claim.

Posted by RG on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 21:10pm

Everyone is at least aware who Radiohead is, The Dude. They been referenced in South Park, indie movies, and tv shows etc. Lots of casual people actually know more than Creep surprisingly. I've gotten Paranoid Android, Karma Police, Plastic Trees as responses when it comes to knowing a Radiohead song. To add to RG's comment, EVERYONE was suffering from the pandemic and you know the Rock Hall is not like typical award shows that get millions of views where the Hall gets a half of those views. I'm sorry man I like you and respect you, but we need citations.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 21:29pm

Plebian,

What are your latest predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 21:32pm

@ Plebian and RG

Unfortunately, most casual listeners still can't name more than one Radiohead song. Millions of them still listen to terrestrial radio for convenience, and stations only play one song by them regularly and that's "Creep." Not even their guest appearance on shows like South Park, Space Ghost and Saturday Night Live made much of a difference.

I met a lot of people who only know the band for "Creep." If they were a pure arena-level band with a Green Day or Nirvana-like commercial success, then I wouldn't consider their induction to be premature. But they're still a theater-level act who are more on a niche side of the market. Having four platinum albums aren't mainstream-level commercial success in today's world.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 21:52pm

Radiohead's US tours for the last decade plus have been sold out arena tours...

Posted by RG on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 22:02pm

Radiohead are a rare indie critic darling & one of the most successful bands of all generations, they're more than the guys who did the song called Creep. For the ones that mentioned Deep Purple, T. Rex & The Zombies, probably the main reason why they have their long inductions overdue is because they might don't have enough mainstream success even though they have influence just like Radiohead did. I probably could see the same for The Moody Blues & Yes as well.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 22:30pm

@ RG

Not like Mötley, DMB, and other snubs who are virtually more universal and marketable. They headline arenas more regularly and have more money in their pockets to go on a massive tour. Radiohead hardly does it here, and there is no way they play at arenas regularly close as Iron Maiden. They're a theater-level band, which is what most casual listeners will tell ya.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/11/2020 @ 23:03pm

Welcome back to our last 12 days of Christmas Rock Hall Wishlist episode! We last talked about southern rap's OutKast. You know throughout the past two weeks I've seen some great opinions on these prospects. I can't believe we are already over. This has been a wonderful journey everyone and I hope one day the Rock Hall answers our list! Now for the moment you have been waiting for!!!!

12. Foo Fighters

"Hello...I have waited here for you...Everlong"

The band that kickstarted a new age of rock, the Foo Fighters are without a doubt the most hardworking band in the music scene. Led by their ferocious leader Dave Grohl, they have outlasted every rock band since their inception and are considered the 'last' true rock band. In a way, Foo Fighters brought in modern rock that was yet to be seen. They are eligible this year, yet the real question is: Are they deserving?

Discography: 3
Influence: 3
Cultural Impact: 5
Chances?: 4

Results: 15; In conclusion, the Foo Fighters are worthy of the Hall. Maybe Dave wants to hold on or maybe not. Who knows what for our modern rockers. I can see them inducted this year. Though if Dave again holds off, I can see it around 2024. B-tier in importance in my opinion.

The Dude, RG, K-Dawg, Ben, Will N., Michael W., Enig, Nick, Roy, Navonte Robertson, Garrus, everyone....

What are you thoughts? The prospects of everyone? What can be done differently next year? Do you think these people will get in one day? May Santa and the Rock Hall go check the list twice! Merry Christmas y'all it's been a ride!

Signed,

Plebian

1. Dick Dale
2. King Crimson
3. Nick Drake
4. Big Star
5. Jim Croce
6. Joy Division/ New Order
7. Duran Duran
8. Black Flag
9. Iron Maiden
10. Smashing Pumpkins
11. OutKast
12. Foo Fighters

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 12/12/2020 @ 01:51am

Plebian,

What are your latest predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/12/2020 @ 09:24am

Plebiscite,

Great feature. You nailed it with insight and great writeup. Ignore richies constant pleading for this board to be boring. You did great

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/12/2020 @ 10:55am

Plebian,

Yes, this was great! I'm going to make a rough prediction of when each of these artists will be inducted, ordered by soonest to latest:

Duran Duran - 1-3 YEARS
Foo Fighters - 1-5 YEARS
Smashing Pumpkins - 2-5 YEARS
OutKast - 3-5 YEARS
Joy Division/ New Order - 3-8 YEARS
Iron Maiden - 5-10 YEARS
King Crimson - 7-12 YEARS
Black Flag - 10-15 YEARS
Big Star - 10-15 YEARS
Dick Dale - 15+ YEARS
Nick Drake - 15+ YEARS
Jim Croce - 15+ YEARS

Posted by RG on Saturday, 12/12/2020 @ 11:56am

Plebian,
Great conclusion to your 12 Days list, so I will just offer a few comments on your final 4 artists..
On Iron Maiden, a band that I am a fan of, but not a fanatic.. While the majority of Maiden fans prefer and recognize the Bruce Dickinson years more, likely because from 1982 moving forward after the Paul D'ianno LP's, represents 80+% of the bands material. For me, I am more of a fan of Iron Maiden's first 3 records(2 Lp's and 1 Live EP).. I just prefer the gruff, guttural vocals of Paul D. over Bruce's more high pitched wailing style. In fact when the debut album of Iron Maiden was released, it was nearly as huge of an impact on the Metal world as the Hard Rock debut of Van Halen, or the Classic /Arena Rock first releases from Boston and Foreigner were. So then with the 2nd Maiden album "Killers" coming out and being even better than the first, cemented them with a solid Metal foundation to build upon for the future. The firing of Paul D'ianno due to excessive drinking, substance abuse and erratic behavior is like the same old story with a lot of Rock bands. He was just too out of control with the instant frontman success and partying, so it was a necessary move for the band. I was fortunate to see them Live with Paul in 1981 opening for Judas Priest on the Killers tour.. So for the metal heads and Maiden fans I would like to include a link to the 3rd , more rare Iron Maiden record with the original lineup (Paul, Steve, Dave, Adrian, and special recognition to the original, fantastic drummer, Clive Burr(RIP))..
This is the Japanese re release of the 1981 Maiden Japan concert..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvQYEtlBpLs

Sorry that went long, I will post more with Smashing Pumpkins, OutKast and Foo Fighters.. Thanks.

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 12/12/2020 @ 12:07pm

Thanks for the kind words everyone!

Will N.,

What do you will be the members to be inducted with Iron Maiden? Again, obviously Bruce Dickinson, but the others I'm not sure

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 12/12/2020 @ 13:52pm

Plebian.
For eligible and reasonable inductees for Iron Maiden, I would say a total of 8 individuals, IMO..
Current Members:

Bruce D.
Steve Harris
Dave Murray
Adrian Smith
Nicko McBrain
Janick Gers

and previous members:
Paul Di'Anno (Vocals - 4 years)
Clive Burr (Drums - 4 years)
_____

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 12/12/2020 @ 15:10pm

Nick,

I will review sone more of your picks. X is a good pick. I'm NOT a big Punk Rock fan. But I've heard of X. I recall reading that they were loved by critics. I think I know LOS Angeles. I am aware that Pearl Jam and Joan Jett have been praised them. At #71 you have the Jan. I know them a little better. They were a Punk band but they also captured the sounds of the British Invasion of the 1960s. Their music focused a lot on British culture and Politics. The Hall wil probably give them a non in the next couple Years. An induction is doubtful

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/12/2020 @ 15:36pm

Plebian,

What are your latest predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/12/2020 @ 21:45pm

Nick,

Obviously I meant the JAM. Like I said they were a Punk band but they also captured the sounds of the British Invasion, of the 60s. Their music focused a lot on British culture and politics. That holds them back. But the Hall will probably give them a nomination in the next couple years. "Town Called Malice" is probably the lone Jam song any American would know and it is the main one I know. None of The Jam's songs charted on the Billboard Hot 100. There's more of a worldwide appeal in The Clash's music even though both bands largely discuss the same topics and issue in their music. The Jam are actually #72 I see. I made that mistake.
#71 I see is Lesley Gore. You Don't Own Me is legendary hit from 1964. Her debut single "It's My Party" (1963) was a huge hit, before she was 18 and she became an overnight star. She became a regular on several TV shows such as American Bandstand and even appeared in the legendary concert film The T.A.M.I. Show (1964), a film preserved in the National Film Registry and featured so many Rock Hall inductees in their prime James Brown, The Beach Boys, The Supremes, The Rolling Stones. I didn't know Her producwe was Quincy Jones, I know he was well-established in the jazz world, became a force in pop music. but didn't know thanks to her. She would score nearly half-dozen top-40 hits by the end of the 60s. several of which were Top 10. I may know Look of Love. But I don't know if its her version Im thinking of. Lesley Gore was a big star in her time. So she could get recognized. I may stop these reviews for awhile. You have a long list going here. I get busy. And there is also Plebian's 12 Days of Christmas to look at.
There

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/13/2020 @ 05:44am

The Dude,

Mathematically speaking, there was bound to be a year where the highest vote-getter at the kiosk didn't get a nom or that the fan vote winner didn't get inducted. I actually think them not getting nominated/inducted is evidence that the system ISN'T rigged. Statistically speaking, that should happen some of the time. If they were rigging it, they'd do so in such a way as to benefit their bottom line. They'd have added DMB as a seventh inductee or something like that. It is just possible that the nominating committee didn't want to select Motley Crue and that not enough voters selected DMB to get them in. I get why it frustrates you that they didn't get nominated/inducted, but I don't think it's clear evidence of any trickery.

Posted by Michael W on Sunday, 12/13/2020 @ 12:56pm

Anthrax
B-52s
Blood Sweat & Tears
Canned Heat
Chaka Khan
Foo Fighters
Guess Who
Jay-Z
King Crimson
Kraftwerk
Megadeth
Motorhead
Oasis
Pixies
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Smashing Pumpkins

Special Award/Sidemen: Warren Haynes

Posted by Mr. E on Sunday, 12/13/2020 @ 17:10pm

Bjork
Daft Punk
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Harry Nilsson
Jay-Z
Joy Division/New Order
King Crimson
Kraftwerk
MC5
Pat Benatar
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
Todd Rundgren
Weezer

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 12/13/2020 @ 17:32pm

Inductees would be:

Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Joy Division/New Order
Kraftwerk
Todd Rundgren

If there are 7:

Harry Nilsson

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 12/13/2020 @ 17:34pm

@ Michael W

Both of them are still rigged cause of one the reasons is the Hall's fears of getting negative reactions from the press with an elite attitude run by Starbucks, drinking hipsters and culturally sensitive social justice warriors who are vicious on paper only than in person when they should be afraid of the general public - they're bigger.

That's why you have the "Get Woke, Go Broke" meme and catchphrase on the internet right now.

It's a smart to include a kiosk winner on the ballot yearly as a good business move. Imagine if the Nom Com actually grew their balls by nominating Mötley Crue while ignoring all the "politically incorrect" criticisms. The band would easily make it to the top, and the Hall would get better ratings online and more revenue.

It's also a smart move to include a nominee who have the most votes from the general public as part of the class yearly. If DMB made it, the Hall would receive better ratings for the induction special, more crowds into the attractions, and more money in their pockets. They left them out cause it's not because of the Hall's fears with the media, it's because of their association with the now dated definition of "Classic Rock," which doesn't make sense and it goes to show how stupidly out of touch they could be. The are 90's are now part of the column, and some CR radio stations are slowly welcoming the 2000's.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 12/13/2020 @ 17:43pm

Going for:

Kraftwerk
Smashing Pumpkins
RATM
Pat Benatar
Jay-Z
Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/13/2020 @ 19:00pm

Plebian,

besides Pat Benatar, Jay-Z, Joy Division/New Order, Kraftwerk, Rage Against The Machine and Smashing Pumpkins. Which other acts do you have on your latest predictions list for the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/13/2020 @ 19:05pm

I thought about showing some predictions for inductees, and just can't bring myself to do it yet. This delay in announcing the nominees really has caused a bit of fatigue for trying to predict who would go next. I think all the extra time really has just made me, and maybe some of the rest of us, tired of trying to speculate. All we have is what the rumors are at this point. After over a decade of seeing the list and getting a nice few months in a set schedule to ponder who they missed and who will get the final call, like when daylight savings ends, I hate this change.

I can offer that I feel Jay-Z and the Pumpkins would get in if they are nominated like I predict. I also predict the Foo Fighters will not be nominated this year. I predict Kraftwerk will again be on the list, and their chances are 50-50 like always. That is the extent I am going for past my list.

Dammit Rock and Roll Hall, this is like giving a starving dog pictures of a giant hambone

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 01:15am

K-Dawg,

I agree its kinda getting boring. I wish there was a subreddit or more forums to do on this website.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 02:26am

So Jay-Z and Foo Fighters are the obvious cream-of-the-crop, potential FYE artists in the next class. However, it doesn't appear to be a particularly strong group outside those two so I'm curious who each of you would consider to be the next best candidates for induction from this eligibility year. Maybe just list your top 5 from the rest of the group eligible in 2021. Mine would go like this:

1. D'Angelo - Highly respected artist who was massive on the R&B side, even if he didn't have huge mainstream pop success outside of a couple songs.
2. Robyn - Again a critical darling who didn't have tremendous success on the U.S. pop charts. Wildly popular in Europe though.
3. The Chemical Brothers - At some point electronica is going to make a bigger dent and when it does these guys will be near the front of the line for recognition.
4. Garbage - Stupid Girl and Only Happy When It Rains have held up pretty well and they did receive some acclaim for their first two albums. A personal favorite from this class.
5. Deftones - One of the more respected metal bands of the last couple decades and one of the most innovative and experimental as well.

I'd be interested to see who the rest of you thought were next best. Anyone else want to throw their ideas out on this?

Posted by MIchael W on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 09:23am

Michael,

I'd say Deftones, but the Hall just doesn't seem to dig any 'metalish' act beyond the Titans of the genre. Garbage is a great band, but hasn't done much lately. Robyn is huge in Europe. Me & the wife saw her at ACL last year & i was very impressed with her set.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 09:57am

Plebian,

Nice work on the 12 Days of Christmas wishlist. I'd put the chances of each artist as follows:

1. Foo Fighters - 100% - Possible FYE
2. Smashing Pumpkins - 95% - Probably inducted whenever first nominated.
3. Duran Duran - 90% - Likely in the next 5 years.
4. Outkast - 85% - Should get their shot after Jay-Z and Eminem get in.
5. Big Star - 70% - Fits in the T. Rex/Roxy Music mold of influential bands that weren't necessarily popular in their time.
6. Joy Division/New Order - 65% - Could get a nom in the next 5-7 years, though not sure in what form.
7. Iron Maiden - 60% - The hall will eventually get the top metal acts in. Eventually.
8. King Crimson - 50% - Might have to wait for Jethro Tull to be inducted before being seriously considered. But maybe not.
9. Nick Drake - 40% - Despite the excellence of Pink Moon, he's gonna need a strong champion behind him to get his shot.
10. Black Flag - 40% - Hard to figure out exactly how deep they're going to go into punk but you'd think Black Flag was near the top of that list.
11. Jim Croce - 35% - This one hurts because I'm a fan but it's tough to see the support at this point.
12. Dick Dale - 15% - I think it would have happened by now if it was going to happen. I'd be happy to be wrong about that though.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 10:09am

Plebian,

You should join the Rock Hall Projected project on here when it starts back up next month. If nothing else, it's a fun way to pass the time while we wait.

Michael W,

Honestly, I think you pretty much covered it. It's pretty striking to me how much of a gap the 2021 eligibility class has between the obvious choices of Jay-Z/Foo Fighters and the next tier. Especially because the last two years have each had a solid second tier of artists who are very likely to get in eventually, just not immediately. I don't see any of the artists this year past the top the obvious ones getting inducted.

D'Angelo - I like him, and I think that if he had been consistently putting out music since his breakthrough, the conversation around him would be much different. He's definitely got a good amount of critical acclaim, with multiple highly rated albums. However, the fact that he disappeared off the face of the earth for over a decade really hurts his chances. Black Messiah is still a great album that you all should check out if you haven't.

Robyn - If the Hall were more of a worldwide institution, then perhaps, but she's never been more than a C-lister in the US pop scene. Dancing On My Own is one of the best songs of all time though, and holy shit it never even charted in the US??? Ridiculous.

The Chemical Brothers - We can revisit this a decade or two from now, but as it stands now, the concept of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame going anywhere near House music is pretty unfathomable to me, aside from *maybe* Daft Punk. If it's taken 20+ years to get genre pioneers Kraftwerk in, the outlook is not good for The Chemical Brothers.

Garbage - I could see them maybe being considered one day, but the list of 90s alternative acts ahead of them is pretty great. Come back once No Doubt & Alanis are in and then we'll talk.

Deftones - Again, there's a lot of groundwork to cover before they can really become a contender. Nine Inch Nails getting in is a step, but I think we really shouldn't expect to see them in the conversation until we get through AT LEAST Rage Against the Machine, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, and Jane's Addiction.

A few other notable artists, who I also don't see a particular opening for, but may be worth discussing:
- Backstreet Boys
- Incubus
- Lil' Kim
- Monica
- Rammstein

Posted by RG on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 12:47pm

2021 is certainly a weak year for newly eligibles. It doesn't even have the usual handful of key indie artists that are deserving but will obviously neglected, etc.

The cream of the crop outside of Foo Fighters and Jay-Z is clearly The Chemical Brothers. They've put together enough of an important discography over the years.

The other pick that I could maybe be persuaded to back is Boards of Canada. That's a truly unique artist that has cobbled together a lot of masterpieces.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 19:59pm

@ Casper

You might wanna tell that to Deftones who are Hall material enough to get in. Very influential and innovative band who are easily the hottest newly eligible on the list along with Foo Fighters and Jay-Z. Their new album was pretty good, and they're celebrating the 20th Anniversary of White Pony with a remix album. If ever nominated years from, the only person who would push them is probably Seymour Stein, since he was once the Vice President of Warner Bros. Records (the band's label). Even Dave Grohl and Tom Morello would jump on board with him. Maybe it's possible Questlove is a fan of those dudes too.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 20:25pm

So....who is our second most wanted after Kraftwerk? Surely after they are in, we need a new champion.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 21:26pm

@Plebian

Personally, after Kraftwerk my next go to is Iron Maiden (although Judas Priest may be seen as a bigger snub since they're earlier) but either way both are seminal artists to their genres.

Joy Division is another big one.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 23:25pm

Steve Z,

Out of your predictions for the 2021 nominees (Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, The Smiths, Soundgarden and Weezer). Which ones do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/14/2020 @ 23:39pm

After Kraftwerk, I have a couple. I know it's a direct chunk of "rock", but I want Bad Company in--Paul Rodgers has done too much for this planet to not have gone in before the Doobies and Cheap Trick. The "Supergroup" moniker is so much of a stigma, it ignores just how great they were in the late 70s.

A personal choice, and for me probably the last 60s act that broke ground, is the Monkees. See them as a band or a TV show, they are one of the strongest influences for the introduction of the modern music video.

And, for a newer band, I'd say the Pumpkins, for obvious reasons.

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 00:04am

I'll say Gram Parsons. He is pretty much the universal country snub for the Rock Hall. He contributed so much in his short career and helped shaped country in its revival in the 70s. For woman, definitely Tina Turner. Should have been the first female double inductee and not Stevie Nicks.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 00:47am

Plebian,

Do you think the rock purists' heads will explode more when Britney Spears gets nominated? Does she belong?

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 01:40am

We got to see with Mariah then we will see....

Britney has the hits and popularity, but so much controversy to her. Honestly, the Hall kinda wants some integrity if they are willing to do that. This is the Rock Hall, not E! news. I will admit she kinda is the true successor to Madonna and paved the wave for pop stars of the new millennium. That said, I feel (looks in both directions) she is alright. She is part of music history without a doubt though. What do you think of my pick with Tina Turner and Gram Parsons? I think Bad Company can be seen as alright. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of The Monkees its just their origin REALLY hurts them. The Smashing Pumpkins definitely! They are probably one of my favorite 90s acts next to Pearl Jam and RHCP. So damn good!

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 02:28am

Tina Turner is a great choice for a RRHOF inductee. She is on my predictions list of nominations, as is Mariah, this year. I won't post them now to avoid Richie asking me who I think will be inducted from my list, but you can search it further up on this page for my whole list ;)

I have stated I am not a fan of multiple inductions for artists in terms of solo/group, mainly because of the ridiculous backlog we have going back decades. Stevie Nicks' induction I saw as largely grandstanding for Fleetwood Mac's longevity, as while she has some great staples in her solo career, it was so brief in the 80s compared to other names ignored still to this point (Pat Benatar the Go Gos, even Paula Abdul (IN TERMS OF LIKE IMPACT, not deservingness)). Her Fleetwood Mac career, like every other member who had a solo stint, is well enough represented by their group nom, IMO. That said, Tina Turner needs a solo induction because she is so iconic, and her partnership with her abusive husband really shouldn't be showcased as the greatest point in her career. She rejuvenated herself in the 80s, and Mad Max became a legend because of her more than Mel Gibson, I feel.

Gram Parsons, I must admit, I'm not too knowledgeable about his works, but I'm not really a country aficionado outside of a few faves (Johnny Cash, and a couple contemporaries Dierks Bentley and Jason Aldean are all I can really stomach), so I'd have to pass on making a judgment about him. I've heard things, but honestly, if I had to venture the next deserving country person, I question why Patsy Cline isn't in.

My abbreviated, and longwinded analysis of the subject...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 03:46am

I doubt Ms. Spears will ever be nominated. If she is, will be many years from now, I think.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 09:11am

Britney Spears is a tough one because she certainly has the popularity, notoriety, and impact befitting an inductee, but there's absolutely no innovation or noteworthy musical ability. I'd say that she differs a bit from Madonna in that Madonna was much more involved in the crafting of her image as well as her actual music than Britney. Still she is an iconic figure for whatever reasons, so she'll get some consideration at some point, but I don't think I'd personally be on board with her getting inducted.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 09:21am

Nick,

Please continue Posting your Segments for your List of prospective Nominees. You are up to #70-61. I may Skip some review later but I neeed to see it. I would like to see it. I don't think you did yet. Keep it coming man!

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 09:25am

Yeah, Incubus and Backstreet Boys were probably #s 6 and 7 on my list for next year. I also thought about Jars of Clay. One of the few Christian bands to even make a dent in secular music. They had a few good songs back in the day. Doubt they'd ever get a sniff from the Hall though.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 09:29am

It's tough to pick the next biggest snub after Kraftwerk. There are obviously many acts that are overdue for consideration, but none that even approach the level of impact, influence, and innovation that Kraftwerk did. I guess my next up would be LL Cool J. I'm stunned that he keeps getting passed up by the voters. He's as important to the rise of hip hop as anyone from his era outside of maybe Run DMC. I'd also consider either Joe Cocker or Tommy James and the Shondells, simply because they've both been around since the 60s and should have received consideration long before now.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 09:42am

@ Michael W

Unfortunately for Jars of Clay, I don't think they'll never make it due to tokenism. It pathetically goes to show how woke the Hall is while pissing off the general public.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 09:45am

The Dude,

Don't forget that the common misconception that Rock and Roll is the devil's music. I bet even the critics still believe that!

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 11:24am

I dunno about that, but that is badly politically correct as judging an act's religious beliefs.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 11:38am

Hey! We got Donna Summer! She is a Christian! For better or for worse....

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 11:43am

What I meant to say is that Christian bands don't really have what it takes, be it acclaim or success, and there is kind of a stigma against Christian music.

Aside from the gospel singers in the early influence category, and several inductees who performed a handful of Christian songs (Elvis is in the Gospel Hall of Fame!), we don't have any Christian bands, and I doubt that will ever change. A lot of the bigger names are closer to Adult Contemporary.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 12:42pm

On the Christian music, Stryper was pretty popular for a brief period, and I always sort of liked Petra. They had a good sound with decent guitar work. I don't think I would categorize Collective Soul as Christian but I believe they are inspired by spirituality, and are a very talented band with some hits and a lot of great music.. And then you have P.O.D.(Payable On Death) who are definitely not traditional Christian type music, but also spiritually inspired. They are also an excellent band..

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 12:56pm

I can't name one Christian band who has made an impact in the last 20 years apart from POD and Skillet...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 13:00pm

I have nothing against Christian rock as a concept, but I don't think a single one of these bands comes close to the threshold of being Hall-worthy.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 13:25pm

2 other fine bands that started in the Christian Genre are Switchfoot and Relient K. Thousand Foot Krutch is a punk-Christian band.

None of them, except maybe Switchfoot, has any case for The Hall.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 13:35pm

I wonder if we will start getting 6-7 inductees at this point.....

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 13:56pm

Amy Grant would have to be a Hall Of Famer. She's 1 of the greatest Christian artists. Vocally, she's just fantastic. I think she was the first Christian artist to have a platinum album. That's historic. She crossed over into pop. Grant and Vince Gill is a powerhouse couple. I remember Vince is in the Eagles. Probably would have the right connections. Michael W. Smith is somebody that I have enjoyed his music. He's probably not on the Hall's radar. I remember Place In This World was a hit. There was another song I liked. [It talked about questioning those in powerful positions.] I'm drawing blank on the name. Somebody could look it up. It was about Jesus. I'm putting Amy Grant on my list for 2021. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 16:26pm

Remembered it Michael W. Smith Secret Ambition. I might use it as a general nomination. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 16:30pm

Side note...every time I see the poster Michael W., I think of MW Smith lol...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 17:29pm

The only Christian Rock in the Hall that I know of is some of the more gospel-oriented stuff by people from the first two classes, Bob Dylan's Christian period, and a few songs by U2 and Black Sabbath.

Am I missing any?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 18:25pm

Genesis is in the Hall of Fame...

Mark (Knopfler)
John (several hundred of them it seems)
Samuel (Hagar)

Ok, I'm out of biblical puns lol

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 18:36pm

You forgot...

James
Peter
Timothy
Joel
Paul
Kings
Ruth
David

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/15/2020 @ 19:57pm

The only current Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees I disagree with are:

2Pac
Notorious B.I.G.
NWA
Public Enemy
Gene Pitney
Randy Newman
Laura Nyro

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 02:55am

You agree with Grandmaster Flash but not any other Hip-Hop act?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 03:12am

Garrus...Percy Sledge is going 'whew!, escaped his wrath!'

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 06:24am

While there aren't any straight-up Christian acts in the Hall, there are certainly a number of artists who created a not-insignificant amount of Christian music. Besides the aforementioned Elvis, you could add Aretha Franklin, the Staple Singers, and of course the reverend Al Green to the list among others. They certainly didn't get into the Hall because of their Christian/gospel recordings, but it also didn't hurt any of them either.

As for recent bands with a Christian leaning, don't forget about Live. They weren't a pure Christian band by any means, but they definitely had some religious themes in their music, especially their later albums.

NeedToBreath has also been categorized as a Christian band but has still received a decent amount of exposure on mainstream radio. They're a pretty good live band too.

K-Dawg,

For the record, I have no relation whatsoever to Michael W. Smith, but I think I did own one of his CDs back in the day. It was alright, but nothing special.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 09:50am

Thanks, Michael W.

For the Hall dissenter, I mean, I share his opinion on Laura Nyro, but otherwise, he's mildly (Randy Newman) to utterly (Public Enemy, NWA, Tupac) dead wrong

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 11:02am

Michael W. forgot about NEEDTOBREATHE. I have seen them & they are a great live band. They do fit into the Christian genre.

Another one that started in the genre is Mutemath. They are badass live.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 11:45am

And if you want to talk sales, MercyMe and Casting Crowns are two of the biggest selling bands not in the Hall.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 12:31pm

Garrus,

I hope the next ballot is 100% gangsta rap :)

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 12:39pm

Yeah we all have a couple of artists who we might not have in the Hall if we were solely in charge, but to just generally dismiss an entire genre doesn't really fit with what the Hall is about. The parallels between hip hop and rock are myriad, from its origins to its impact on the social and collective consciousness to its being the voice of youth and rebellion. All characteristics of both rock and hip hop.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 14:28pm

Exactly! People act like hip-hop just popped into existence fully formed with nothing to do with rock and roll, but you really can't go into its development without talking about integral Rock/R&B history figures like James Brown, George Clinton/Parliament-Funkadelic, Sly & the Family Stone, and Nile Rodgers.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 14:59pm

I think if you put hip hop and those associated acts in the Hall...You have to put in Alabama, Garth Brooks, Kenny Rogers, Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson etc. Alabama should be inducted. Sure known as Country but also Southern Rock and Americana. Alabama made country music a nice blend with a blend of country and pop and Southern Rock. Sold millions of Albums and was the country equivalent of Duran Duran. Very popular. Incredibly influential on later Country Artists. Last time I check, Owen and Company plug in and have the rock group kind of set up. Bass Guitar, Guitar, Drums etc. Some of the memorable songs of the 80's and 90's. Love In The First Degree, Mountain Music, Song Of The South, etc. I think 2021 should be time for Amy Grant and Alabama. They will be on my Nomination List in 2021. For the rap artists, I think LL Cool J should have been inducted. Maybe 5 years ago. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 15:29pm

Will N.
I'm glad you mentioned Stryper in the Christian Artists. I remember owning some of their cassettes in the 1980's and 1990's. They made memorable songs and musically excellent. Incredible vocals by Sweet and just fantastic. They had those black and yellow outfits. Calling On You, Free, Honestly, To Hell With The Devil. I remember To Hell With The Devil. What a powerful CD! I liked most of the songs on that. Stryper deserves some consideration for the RRHOF. Obviously, that would be down the road. They were just powerful. Sweet's vocal range otherworldly. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 15:40pm

Here are my Rock n Roll hall fame 2021 nominee predictions
The nominee will be
The Go-Gos
Motorhead
Rage Against the Machines
Jay Z
The B-52's
Smashing Pumpkins
Lesley Gore
foreigner
John Prine
Rufus
Cousin Brucie
The Dixehumming birds
Iron Maiden
Pat Benatar
Cher
Also I think Peter,Paul and Mary should be on list however I don't think the bored will ever nominate them sadly :(

Would get inducted in this sicnaoro inductees
The Go-Gos
Cher
Jay Z
John Prine
foreigner
Lesley Gore
Smashing Pumpkins
The Dixehumming birds (Early influence )
Cousin Brucie (Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement)

Posted by dana on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 17:45pm

Grandmaster Flash is old skool, when rap was still an offshoot of funk.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 17:51pm

I am by no means any sort of a Rock historian, more so just a music enthusiast of a few different genres. But most people who do some of their homework on the origins of Rock know it came out of the Blues, Folk, some Country, Bluegrass, Appalachia, Jazz, Boogie Woogie, Swing, more or less a mish mash of influences combining and evolving into brand new styles including Doo Wop and Rhythm and Blues, and Soul. So my point is that the inclusion of genres like Rap and Hip Hop in the Rock Hall is because that style was birthed out of the Funk/ Disco/ R&B, and Soul eras, just as Dance Pop and Techno came out of certain Disco/ New Wave and Electronic sounds. The Rock and Roll tree has branched out quite considerably to the point where even Rock music exists in so many forms and specifics. I guess I am swinging for the fence here with this rather vague analogy, but you guys know the big picture probably better than me.
A couple of further points, because KING brought up one that certain major Country mega artists should be considered for the Rock Hall, and he mentions Alabama, Willie Nelson, Amy Grant, Patsy Cline. I do agree to some extent that there are some, or a few that should be nominated. Willie Nelson, for sure, he is one of my nominee picks, and Patsy Cline, Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, Waylon Jennings, Kingston Trio, Kenny Rogers, and I will always be on the Bandwagon for John Denver. I believe he is probably more Contemporary than Country.. Now we know that Johnny Cash has been inducted.. is this because he was more of a crossover artist, or being such a major influence and larger than life, one of a kind Star? Is the lack of recognition of more Country artists due to the aspect that Country music just followed the bloodline of previous Country of the past, and not so much branching out from the genesis of Rock and Roll?

One other point I would like to make, that I have been pondering over for awhile, is that in the mid to late 60's, when Progressive Rock was beginning to take form, you also had the genre of Jazz Fusion starting up as well. Both styles originated from Folk, Psychedelic, Jazz and Rock. In fact, some of the first Jazz Fusion was called Jazz Rock. I believe that Prog and Fusion are similar in nature and have run parallel courses through the 70's, 80's, etc. Guitarist Larry Coryell released the first Jazz Rock(Fusion) album in 1967 with his new band, the Free Spirits. Frank Zappa incorporated Jazz Rock(Fusion) into his early records. Tony Williams, who was drumming for Miles Davis, released his groundbreaking Fusion LP, "Emergency" with his new band, the Tony Williams Quartet. Miles Davis plugged in in 1969 with the outstanding "Bitches Brew"..
Ben and I have had some extensive conversations on the Jazz Fusion genre, and recently Nick has included Herbie Hancock in his listings of great artists that are not yet in the Hall. Herbie Hancock, along with Chick Corea, both started out playing in Miles Davis's band in the late 60's. The question I would like to pose to Nick and anyone else that may be interested is, Do you feel that the Jazz Fusion genre is way too unrecognized, and should more artists be up for consideration, and do they belong, and warrant possible nominations. This is somewhat comparable to KING's argument, but I have been meaning to try to get Nick's take on this, and any of you guys who would like to chime in. Right now, you have Miles Davis and Frank Zappa inducted, but Frank spans over many genres of music. Personally I can mention 3 bands worthy of consideration, along with Herbie Hancock, and the first would be John McLaughlin and Mahavishnu Orchestra.. Second would be the band formed by Chick Corea, with members Billy Cobham and Al Di Meola, the great Return To Forever. And 3rd would be the outstanding Weather Report, and out of those 3, I would probably rate Weather Report the highest. Anyway, some food for thought on an overlooked genre IMO.. I got caught up on Nick's list and it got me thinking on this topic again. Any thoughts and opinions?
Ben, please chime in with your expertise, if you can.. Thanks, guys.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 19:21pm

Guys......you that not EVERYONE is gonna get in the Hall right? I'm just saying....

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 20:09pm

Will N.,

I fully agree. It seems like the main qualification for genre consideration that all of these different types of music have is whether their stylistic origins can be traced back to the 40s/50s blues icons that innovated Rock and Roll. So Rock, R&B, Hip Hop, Rock/R&B-influenced Modern Pop, an all subgenres and branches are fair game. Country, Jazz, and Traditional Pop, while there has been plenty of crossover with Rock, come from traditions that existed long before the innovation of Rock and Roll. I think there are certainly country artists that have been influential and had crossover success, and should be considered for induction (Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, and Dolly Parton are big snubs in my book), but I don't think having success as a country artist is necessarily a qualification in the same way that being a successful rapper is.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 12/16/2020 @ 20:19pm

I'd love to see this debate about music carried onto the RRHOF's Facebook page and other boards. It's just inane and incomprehensible that the Cro-Magnons who type in all caps completely dismiss the sound logic given here time and again in favor of "no guitar, no rocky" and "I can't bang my head to Diana Ross or Aretha Franklin"

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 12/17/2020 @ 02:37am

Will N.,

Johnny Cash is an interesting case. He was inducted back in 1992. . I think this is because he was more of a crossover artist. Johnny Cash moved away from the Country genre at times, The lack of recognition of more Country artists due to the fact that Country music just followed the history of previous Country of the past, and didn't really branch out from the genesis of Rock and Roll.
I agree that Prog and Fusion are similar in nature and have run parallel through the 70's, 80's, etc. I didn't know that Guitarist Larry Coryell released the first Jazz Rock(Fusion) album in 1967 with his new band, the Free Spirits. I know about Frank Zappa.. He incorporated Jazz Rock(Fusion) into his early records like Hot Rats. Tony Williams, who was drumming for Miles Davis, released his groundbreaking Fusion LP, "Emergency" with his new band, the Tony Williams Quartet. I may have partly inspired you to listen to that. Miles Davis released the outstanding "Bitches Brew".. As we know Miles is inducted.
Jazz Fusion has been ignored a lot. I think more artists should be nominated. This is somewhat comparable to KING's argument, but I have been meaning to try to get Nick's t Right now, you have Miles Davis and Frank Zappa inducted, but Frank spans over many genres of music. Personally I think Herbie Hancock should be nominated. , and there is possibility with John McLaughlin and Mahavishnu Orchestra.. There could be the band f the great Return To Forever. The best choice would be the outstanding Weather Report. I would probably rate Weather Report the highest too. Weather Report should be nominated I think. Black Market and Heavy Weather are incredible albums that show a nomination can happen. I certainly wanted to chime in.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/17/2020 @ 04:47am

Follower, my wife listens to MercyMe. They do have some good ballads. One of them has a very good voice.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/17/2020 @ 06:46am

Johnny Cash also benefitted from being one of the Big Five for Sun Records, along with Elvis, Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Roy Orbison. That kind of association certainly gets you noticed. Plus, over the course of his career, Johnny Cash consistently bucked the mainstream and demonstrated much more rebellion than most country artists did at the time. More than most country artists today for that matter. Finally, Johnny Cash has been embraced by artists outside of country far more often than most other country artists are typically. There are a few other true country acts that could get consideration, most notably Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline, Merle Haggard, or Garth Brooks. They demonstrate some of the same qualities that earned Johnny Cash recognition by the Hall. But for the most part while rock and roll emerged as a blend of blues and country with a hint of jazz thrown in, the artists who remained pure country didn't embrace this evolution to the same degree. They were no longer the voice of youth, rebellion, and artistic innovation which is kinda the essence of rock music.

Posted by Michael W on Thursday, 12/17/2020 @ 12:31pm

We are supposed to get the nominations for the class of 2021 as late as April. I think its time the frl mod announced their picks...any word on that?

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/17/2020 @ 16:43pm

K-Dawg,

The 2021 Rock Hall nominees will be announced sometime in February and the inductees will be announced in early April.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/17/2020 @ 17:04pm

I forgot to mention Shania Twain on my country list. She sold millions of albums Country and crossed over to pop and things. She also influenced other later Female singers. Don't know what her timetable for Induction would be. It doesn't hurt she was very beautiful and great with fashion too.
Here's a Few Groups I'd Like To See Inducted by 2030.
1. Scorpions
2. Alabama
3. Iron Maiden
4. Amy Grant
5. Smashing Pumpkins
6. Motley Crue
7. John Fogerty (Solo)
8. Duran Duran
9. Blue Rodeo
10. Queensryche
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 12/17/2020 @ 17:33pm

So, even more reason we should be getting their picks already..come on, FRL, the ball is in your court!

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 12/17/2020 @ 17:36pm

Will N.,
I just saw your post and I will type up something tonight and respond. I've been traveling the last week, so my schedule has been off. I'll likely post the next installment of my series probably this weekend (#60-51).

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 12/17/2020 @ 20:41pm

You guys gonna make final predictions of the year? Would be great if we knew where the ballot might head to.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 01:03am

Plebian,

I was gonna repost my picks again, I really don't have many edits to make towards it, just frankly because we're in limbo. We've had ample opportunities to look at artists not in, explored genres not represented well in the Hall, and seen some brilliant analysis on acts and great conversations.

The list I put up is mostly subjective with a little wish list thrown in, but I really don't see myself switching out anyone. If anything, the changes will be like acts in similar genres (in my case, AIC/Soundgarden, Judas Priest/Iron Maiden, Eurythmics/Smiths to name a few). Apart from the drama of whether the Foo Fighters leapfrog dozens of worthy acts obviously against Dave Grohl's wishes or if this is finally the year Kraftwerk gets its long overdue, er due, it's all a waiting game until the RRHOF gets off its laurels and starts pumping out the list. This is why I was hoping FRL would announce their picks already. We need some fresh blood, and apart from richie and his (no offense) tape recorder over and over question, there isn't much of a change coming up.

I wouldn't mind seeing Enig critique his prog list once more, or someone with a background in electronic, hip hop, or other genres expound on their feelings. Final predictions, for me for 2020, are likely the same as they were in August...

On a side note, your (and Nick's) contributions of this month have been a breath of fresh air and you are a great music mind. Keep it up ;)

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 02:33am

Thanks, Nick. Enjoying your list so far.. Thanks guys, RG, Ben, and everybody for feedback, and Michael W for some great info on Johnny Cash. Ben, you were correct, I believe you recommended the Tony Williams Quartet, "Emergency" to me, which I had not heard of at the time. maybe a year ago. That is an excellent album, and he has a few more I was exploring.
Later when I have more time I would like to post a link to one or 2 excellent cuts of the Prog/Jazz Fusion band, Brand X, who Phil Collins is the drummer and sometimes vocalist for(when they have vocals). They put out about 5 or 6 albums in the late 70's, early 80's..

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 03:34am

One of their songs came up on my iPod last night & reminded me of another fine band (no HOF chances) that started in the Christian genre: Sister Hazel. Have seen them too. Really fun set. Guys looked like they were havin a ball up there.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 06:26am

Out of curiosity, how many of the regular posters have been able to visit the Hall in Cleveland. I'm from the Detroit area, so I'm just a couple hours away and I've been able to go a few times, but I know a few of you live overseas so you probably haven't had that opportunity. Just wondering.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 07:34am

Another question. Perhaps the most important of them all. Which of the following classics is your absolute all-time most favorite?

1. Hall of Fame? More like the Hall of Shame! (or Lame)
2. The Hall of Fame needs more than needs the Hall of Fame.
3. It's the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame. Not the Rap Hall of Fame.
4. has more talent than half the bands in the Hall of Fame!
5. The Hall of Fame is a joke until gets in.
6. ANYTHING TYPED IN ALL CAPS!!!
7. Other

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 08:47am

@ Michael W

You forgot this.

"Why are people are upset with diversity? That's PC bullshit! The Hall has been ruined by liberals."

I get the saying "Get woke, go broke," but political correctness is only a bad thing at the Hall if they either judge acts for how "nice and good" they are and their political and/or beliefs.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 10:02am

@ Michael W

You forgot this.

"Why are people are upset with diversity? That's PC bullshit! The Hall has been ruined by liberals."

I get the saying "Get woke, go broke," but political correctness is only a bad thing at the Hall if they judge acts for how "nice and good" they are and their political and/or religious beliefs.

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 10:07am

Michael W,

Ooh don't forget "Thats great, but what about >insert musician here
Also to respond to the FRL's post about more woman, not to be sexist, but you know there are lot of bands that mostly comprised of men you that right? Just saying.....

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 10:24am

@ Plebian

Just noticed that similarly on Facebook when the Hall post a Nirvana-related trivia. They're were a lot of tasteless comments and memes about Kurt's. Since when he was seen and treated as the "Anti-Christ" of music. I get it Grunge ended the 80's musically, but a drastic shift was bound to happen cause the industry was getting newer and younger tastemakers while a lot flash-in-a-pan 80's glam bands act who made their debut way too late and tried to be the next Mötley Crue or Bon Jovi but failed commercially and shut down. Ever heard of Danger Danger and Autograph? They're more like fads than legends.

I don't even think there is a thing as the "golden" and "dark" era of music at all.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 10:42am

@ Plebian

Just noticed that similarly on Facebook when the Hall post a Nirvana-related trivia. They're were a lot of tasteless comments and memes about Kurt's death. Since when he was seen and treated as the "Anti-Christ" of music? I get it Grunge ended the 80's musically, but a drastic shift was bound to happen cause the industry was getting newer and younger tastemakers while a lot flash-in-a-pan 80's glam bands who made their debut way too late and tried to be the next Mötley Crue or Bon Jovi but failed commercially and shut down. Ever heard of Danger Danger and Autograph? They're more like fads than legends.

I don't even think there is a thing as the "golden" and "dark" era of music at all.

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 10:47am

Michael W., have been to several Cleveland Browns games & have walked past Hall on numerous occasions when chilling before or after a game, but have never been in the building.

This was more than 12 or 14 years ago & I wasn't making the jack I do now, so I think the ticket cost was a factor back then.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 11:42am

I always have liked the ALL CAPS ones. Sorta miss the crazy Falco posters we used to get years ago...

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 11:44am

I have family in Cleveland so I went a few times when I was a kid, but haven't been since I really started getting into music & music history.

And "Hall of Fame more like Hall of SHAME" is my favorite just because every person who uses it thinks they're being so clever and original.

Honorable Mention goes to the people who post comments here directed at the Rock Hall in the second person (you), as if this is an official site that the institution reads and their one comment will convince them that it is imperative to induct Strawberry Alarm Clock or whoever.

Posted by RG on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 12:00pm

Michael W.,

I have visited the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame once, about 4 years ago. Went with my wife and a friend. Also visited the NFL Hall of Fame in Canton and several presidential sites in Ohio. The trip was a blast for me. The museum is really worth seeing at least once, especially if you are into that sort of thing. Which I guess I assume all of us are, at least a little.

Posted by remy10 on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 13:00pm

You all came up some great additions to the best repeated lines list, but I'm with RG. The people who put "Hall of Shame" think they are creating comedy gold when it's really as uncreative as it can be.

It reminds me of when I worked in retail and some item wouldn't scan the first couple times you swiped it. So many customers would say "I guess it must be free!" and think they were the first ones to come up with that. And I'd just have to fake laugh with them.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 13:18pm

I haven't thought of Strawberry Alarm Clock in 30 years or so!

Michael, must confess I have used the "I guess it must be free" line myself. Of course, I was the one who came up with it ;-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 13:26pm

Well played, Paul in KY. Well played. You are forgiven.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 14:29pm

Here are my induction picks
Mariah Carey - Millions of albums sold, more number 1's than anyone else, Whitney just got in. All signs point to Mariah for induction.
Bad Company - Classic rock inductee 2021.
Duran Duran - Sales plus okay critical reception.
Pat Benatar - Gets in after strange 2020 snub.
Jay-Z - Obvious FYE.
And my wild card
Boston - It may be personal bias but I think they have a good shot. Azoff, diamond album, rock radio play.

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Friday, 12/18/2020 @ 16:58pm

John Skyes just confirmed half of the nomiees will be ladies, so here's what I'd go with

INDUCTED PERFORMERS
- The Go-Go's (First Noimee)
- Kate Bush (Second Noimee)
- Jay-Z (First Nomiee)
- LL Cool J (Sixth nomiee)
- Foo Fighters (First Noimee)
- Rage Against The Machine (Third Nomiee)

SNUBBED PREFORMERS:
- Chaka Khan (Third Nomiee)
- Pat Benatar (Second Nomiee)
- Dave Matthews Band (Second Nomiee)
- Diana Ross (First Nomiee)
- Dionne Warwick (First Nomiee)
- Connie Francis (First Nomiee)
- Canned Heat (First Nomiee)
- De La Soul (First Nomiee)
- Eurymithics (Second Nomiee)
- The Replacements (Second Nomiee)

EARLY INFLUENCE:
Vera Lynn

INDUCTED SINGLES: (This Category is a mess but whatever)
The Del-Vikings: Come and Go With Me (1957)
The Sir Douglas Quintet: She's About a Mover (1965)
The Tokens: The Lions Sleep Tonight (1962)
The Turtles: Happy Together (1967)
Iron Butterfly: In The Gadda Da Viva (1968)
Strawberry Alarm Clock: Intense and Peppermints (1968)

Posted by Katherine Mathers, Princess of Generica on Saturday, 12/19/2020 @ 00:29am

Source?

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 12/19/2020 @ 01:10am

Here is my opinionated tier list of the Rock Hall inductees; I will be straight and says that each artist has touched a certain person or what not. I'm basing on musicianship, discography, influence, and cultural impact.
Here are my ratings:
S-tier: Legendary status
A-tier: Almost legendary
B-tier: Good/Great
C-tier: average
D-tier: below average

Be warned this may tussle some of you and you might not like it. I hope I give a good enough look for all artist inducted so far.

I'll start the ones inducted in the first few years:

1986
Chuck Berry-S
Jerry Lee Lewis-S
James Brown and the Famous Flames-S
Fats Domino-A
Little Richard-S
Buddy Holly and the Crickets-S
The Everly Brothers-A
Ray Charles-S
Sam Cooke-S
Elvis Presley-S

1987
Smokey Robinson and the Miracles-A
Roy Orbison-S
Ricky Nelson-B
Muddy Waters-S
Marvin Gaye-S
Jackie Wilson-A
Eddie Cochran-A
The Coasters-B
Bill Haley and his Comets-B
B.B. King-A
Aretha Franklin-S
Carl Perkins-B
Clyde McPhatter-C
Bo Diddley-S
Big Joe Turner-S

1988
The Beatles-S
Bob Dylan-S
The Supremes-S
The Beach Boys-S
The Drifters-A

1989
The Temptations-S
Otis Redding-S
Stevie Wonder-S
The Rolling Stones-S
Dion-C

1990
The Who-S
The Kinks-S
Simon and Garfunkel-S
The Platters-C
Hank Ballard and the Midnighters-D
The Four Seasons-B
The Four Tops-A
Bobby Darin-C

RG, The Dude, K-Dawg, Michael W, others..

What are your thoughts?

I hope I did not offend you with my opinion. I had this one in my mind for a long time. This is also my last Christmas gift to all after the 12 Days project.

Stay tuned for part 2!

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 12/19/2020 @ 01:36am

Honestly, I think you pretty much nailed it, Plebian. The only things that I would change are switching Jerry Lee Lewis and Fats Domino's positions, and bumping Big Joe Turner down to A-Tier.

Interested to see how you rate the artists later on, when things get much more subjective.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 12/19/2020 @ 09:46am

Richie
Here's a KING 25 Nominees List for 2021-2022 To Consider. Digestion and Discussion. I know you Love the RRHOF lists. That's for the next year.
1. Scorpions
2. Alabama
3. Smashing Pumpkins
4. The Go-Go's
5. Duran Duran
6. Iron Maiden
7. Tina Turner
8. Kool & The Gang
9. Procol Harum
10. Los Lobos
11. Megadeth
12. Foreigner
13. Gram/Emmylou
14. Blue Rodeo
15. The Offspring
16. LL Cool J
17. Soundgarden
18. Bryan Adams
19. Foo Fighters
20. Amy Grant
21. Motley Crue
22. Beck
23. Rufus/Chaka Khan
24. Diana Ross
25. Dave Matthews Band
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 12/19/2020 @ 20:36pm

Continued for part 2 in tier list
Covers the classes of '91-99....

S-Legendary
A-Almost legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

1991
John Lee Hooker-S
LaVern Baker-D
Wilson Pickett-B
Jimmy Reed-S
The Impressions-C
Ike and Tina Turner-B
The Byrds-A

1992
The Yardbirds-B
Sam and Dave-C
Johnny Cash-S
The Jimi Hendrix Experience-S
The Isley Brothers-B
Bobby 'Blue' Bland-C
Booker T and the M.Gs-D

1993
Van Morrison-A
The Doors-S
CCR-S
Sly and the Family Stone-A
Ruth Brown-C
Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers-D
Etta James-B
Cream-A

1994
Grateful Dead-A
Elton John-S
Duane Eddy-C
Bob Marley-S
The Band-A
The Animals-A
John Lennon-S
Rod Stewart-B

1995
Neil Young-S
Led Zeppelin-S
Martha and the Vandellas-B
Janis Joplin-A
Frank Zappa-A
The Allman Brothers Band-A
Al Green-A

1996
The Velvet Underground-S
The Shirelles-B
Little Willie John-C
Pink Floyd-S
Jefferson Airplane-A
Gladys Knight and the Pips-C
David Bowie-S

1997
The (Young) Rascals-C
Parliament-Funkadelic-A
Joni Mitchell-A
Crosby, Stills, and Nash-A
Buffalo Springfield-C
The Bee Gees-A
The Jackson 5-B

1998
Santana-A
The Mamas and the Papas-C
Lloyd Price-D
Gene Vincent and his Blue Caps-C
Fleetwood Mac-A
The Eagles-A

1999
Paul McCartney-B
Dusty Springfield-B
Curtis Mayfield-B
Del Shannon-D
Billy Joel-A
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band-S

RG, The Dude, Ben, Will N., Michael W., K-Dawg, and Others....

Your thoughts?
That is all! Tuned in for part 3!

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 12/19/2020 @ 20:57pm

Plebian,

I like this opiniated list of the Rock Hall inductees. I like the concept. I'm a bit of a Dead head since I own a lot of Grateful Dead so I would make them an S. I also think Allman Brothers should certainly be an S. Fleetwood Mac is another act that could be S. But A is could agree with. Their career got weakened with albums like Tusk in 1979 and Mirage that are kind of Ok but not incredible albums. Fleetwood Mac did get erratic during the 80s.and 90s. I can agree with the rest of the acts. I still wanted to review your Christmas thing. I've been busy.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/19/2020 @ 21:53pm

Plebian,

Not much to disagree with.

I would definitely move John Lee Hooker and Jimmy Reed down to B, since they do really well in influence and innovation, but unlike Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and the other S-tier artists inducted in the first two classes, they are not very well known artists today unless you're really into blues.

I would also move Gene Vincent and The (Young) Rascals down to D, Gladys Knight up to B, and Paul McCartney up to A.

Otherwise I buy it!

Posted by RG on Saturday, 12/19/2020 @ 21:56pm

Will N.,
I was thinking about your comments from the other day. In my 'Introduction' to my Prospects Project, I briefly outlined how rock and roll came from different genres and styles such as the blues, country, jazz and boogie woogie. It's almost like a slew of different flavors (genes/styles) all mixed together. That's why I think the definition of rock and roll should be more inclusive and open to interpretation. I view rock and roll more as a spirit than an actual style of music. It's all part of the rock and roll umbrella/tree.

The 60s is very interesting because very little of the music really fit the style from the first wave of rock and roll from the 50s. It went in different directions and really broke down to different subgenres (e.g., Progressive Rock, Folk). Regarding Jazz Fusion, it's an interesting subgenre that I believe (of course) fits the trajectory of rock and roll and thus should be in the conversation for the Hall of Fame. Miles Davis led the charge with 'Bitches Brew' and 'In a Silent Way' and was heavily influenced by rockers in the late 1960s such as Hendrix and Sly Stone. What's really fascinating isnt that Davis incorporated rock elements, but that he developed a bigger audience. His records always sold well but these jazz-fusion works sold 2-3x the amount of his steady sellers and he began playing at bigger venues. But it deeply divided jazz purists who felt Davis abandoned the purest jazz elements in favor of rock backbeats and instrumentation. It's funny you mentioned that Davis' players such as Hancock and McLaughlin were also at the forefront of Jazz Fusion.

Rockers such as The Grateful Dead, Santana, Frank Zappa and Steely Dan used elements of jazz fusion in their style/form. For Zappa, definitely 'Hot Rats' and 'The Grand Wazoo' are prime examples of his jazz-fusion works. Even the notion of 'jamming' and 'improv' is something those jam bands (e.g., DMB, Phish, Grateful Dead) used in concerts and often captured on their albums. Miles Davis and Herbie Hancock, IMO, were at the forefront of incorporating rock elements into the jazz world and purists often critiqued them for doing that. They weren't limited to Rock, but more or less used it as one of several styles that defined their sound. Jazz Fusion belongs in the R&R HOF. Of those who should be considered, I'd say Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Pat Metheny and of course Herbie Hancock stand the best chance for induction someday

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 12/19/2020 @ 22:20pm

Plebian,

I am veryy late in the game with your 12 Days of Christmas. I was busy and I was reviewing a lot of Nick's list. I didn't expect 2 good projects at the same time. I will cover some favorites from your list.
King Crimson is something of a favorite. I am Not a huge fan overall but King Crimson are veryy deserving. True innovators of Prog Rock. King Crimson is inspired by the great mind of Robert Fripp with spacy sounds in their incredible work. Every Prog Rock band cites them as an influence and the genre may have never happened if not for them.
They quite likely to be nominated soon. Maybe even in 2021.
Nick Drake was a lonely and troubled minded singer/songwriter. I don't think he has too much chance to be a nominee any time soon. An act like Warren Zevon has a much better chance.
Jim Croce is a noble choice. Not a lot of people here if any reviewed him. He had these nice simple songs and he had a lot of commercial success. I agree that the Hall isn't that interested in Jim Croce. They have other priorities. Ok. That's it for Now

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 06:16am

Continued tier list for part 3
Covers classes of 2000-2009
S-Legendary
A-Almost legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Above Average

2000
The Moonglows-D
James Taylor-B
Lovin' Spoonful-D
Eric Clapton-A
Earth, Wind, and Fire-A
Bonnie Raitt-C

2001
Steely Dan-A
Ritchie Valens-D
Aerosmith-A
Michael Jackson-S
Queen-S
Paul Simon-B
Solomon Burke-C
The Flamingos-D

2002
Talking Heads-A
Ramones-S
Isaac Hayes-C
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers-A
Gene Pitney-D
Brenda Lee-C

2003
Righteous Brothers-C
The Police-A
Elvis Costello and the Attractions-A
The Clash-S
AC/DC-A

2004
ZZ Top-B
Traffic-C
Prince-S
Bob Seger-C
Jackson Browne-C
George Harrison-C
The Dells-D

2005
U2-S
Percy Sledge-D
The Pretenders-C
The O'Jays-C
Buddy Guy-B

2006
Sex Pistols-A
Miles Davis-S
Lynyrd Skynyrd-A
Blondie-A
Black Sabbath-S

2007
Van Halen-A
The Ronettes-C
R.E.M.-S
Patti Smith-B
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five-C

2008
The Ventures-C
Madonna-A
John Mellencamp-C
Leonard Cohen-B
The Dave Clark Five-D

2009
Run-DMC-A
Metallica-S
Little Anthony and the Imperials-D
Jeff Beck-C
Bobby Womack-C

RG, Michael W., Ben, Will N., The Dude, K-Dawg, and others

Your thoughts?

Coming up part 4 and boy that ONE is gonna stir people up because of the abundance of classic rock bands and certain controversial ones

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 09:17am

Tiers on my pillow, pain in my heart, caused by Plebian!

(I've been waiting to use that pun. )

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 11:09am

Plebian,

As usual good stuff. I don't know if I would put Leonard Cohen or Paul Simon under Blondie.

One question:

You use the letter C for average, then you have the letter D below the letter C which you call Above Average. Should D mean Below Average since it' s below the letter C which is Average or should C be Above Average and D be Average?

Posted by joker on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 13:01pm

Joker,

Oh yeah that was a typo, I meant to put below average for D. Thanks for noticing the mistake.

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 13:19pm

I published the next installment of the 'Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project' just now: #60-51.

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject60-51

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 15:58pm

The conclusion of my tier list with part 4
Covers the 2010s and the 2020 class
S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Great/Good
C-Average
D-Below Average

This is the part where everyone gets riled for. Be prepared....

2011
Tom Waits-B
Alice Cooper-B
Darlene Love-D
Dr.John-D
Neil Diamond-C

2012
Beastie Boys-A
Guns N Roses-A
RHCP-A
Donovan-C
The Faces/Small Faces-D
Laura Nyro-D

2013
Donna Summer-B
Rush-A (Enig furiously typing)
Albert King-B
Heart-C
Public Enemy-S
Randy Newman-C

2014
Nirvana-S
Peter Gabriel-B
KISS-C
Cat Stevens-C
Linda Ronstadt-C
Hall and Oates-C

2015
Green Day-A
Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble-B
Lou Reed-B
The Paul Buttersfield Band-D
Bill Withers-D
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts-D

2016
N.W.A.-A
Deep Purple-A
Cheap Trick-C
Chicago-C (Roy furiously typing)
Steve Miller-C

2017
Pearl Jam-S
2Pac-S
Yes-B
Joan Baez-C
ELO-C
Journey-C

2018
The Moody Blues-C
Dire Straits-C
Nina Simone-A
The Cars-B
Bob Jovi-D

2019
Roxy Music-A
Radiohead-A
The Cure-A
The Zombies-C
Def Leppard-C
Stevie Nicks-D
Janet Jackson-B

2020
Depeche Mode-A
The Notorious B.I.G.-S
Nine Inch Nails-A
T-Rex-A
Doobie Brothers-C
Whitney Houston-B (Probably my most controversial take)

RG, The Dude, K-Dawg, Nick, Ben, Will N., Michael W., Paul in KY, and others

Your opinions?

That is all. Whew! I'm pooped! Wanted to get this off for a while now.

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 16:10pm

Sorry, I don't see what makes Pearl Jam so legendary compared to so many other lesser rated bands.

Posted by joker on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 16:25pm

And personally, I say Depeche Mode, Whitney Houston AND Notorious B.I.G. ALL deserve the letter S!

Posted by John Mangee on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 16:55pm

Plebian,

Great job on this, I agree with the vast majority of these placements. From your last two posts, I personally would move Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, and Whitney Houston up to the A tier, and consider moving the Talking Heads up to S (they're right on the edge IMO).

Bob Jovi has got to be my favorite typo lmao

And wow, I know I've said this before, but 2011 was just a strange, strange class.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 17:43pm

It's time to correct the biggest R&R HOF snub to date and induct Wings.
They released 8 official albums, all 8 were in the Top Ten (five of which were #1's), 15 Top Ten singles (seven of which were #1's). Many of their songs are played daily on Classic Rock stations coast to coast. It's definitely time for Sir Paul to join Eric Clapton as the only other three time inductee. HBO will definitely gain viewers and the Hall will see attendance increase thanks to Sir Paul.
Your R&R Class of 2021
1.Wings
2.Eminem
3.Mariah Carey
4.Tina Turner
4.The Go-Go's
6.Kool & the Gang

Posted by GV on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 18:33pm

RG,

Oh my God! I did not notice that typo! Bob Jovi that is funny! I'm not sure of Whitney Houston to be fair as I feel I need more time to see how she is perceived later on despite it being 8 years already. I guess I need the post-mortem hype around her to wear out just like Michael Jackson and Queen.

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 18:35pm

Plebian,

Where is your Evaluation of the 2010 class?

In terms of the "holy trinity" of prog, of course, I would place Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues in the "S" category; each of those bands have influenced many of the other "S" category recipients. I would also place Roxy Music in the "S" category, as well. I would place Depeche Mode in the "S" category. I would definitely raise E.L.O., The Zombies, Chicago and Peter Gabriel to the "A" category. I would also raise Donna Summer, Talking Heads and T. Rex to the "S" category. I would raise the Cars to an "A", Stevie Nicks, Traffic and the Doobie Brothers to a "B." I would raise Joan Baez and Z.Z. Top to an "A."

Well, what do you think?

I have attempted to avoid demotions whenever possible

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 20:12pm

Thanks to Enig for noticing, here is my opinions for 2010

2010
The Stooges-A
Genesis-A
ABBA-B
The Hollies-C
Jimmy Cliff-C

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 20:17pm

NICK
Thanks for rolling out your latest installment of artists 60-51. I enjoyed the Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine and Phil Collins Both of these artists have been trying to get inducted in our Rock Hall here Rock Hall Projected. They have fallen short here as well as the RRHOF.
KING was alive in the 1980's and you were right. Phil Collins and his music seem to be everywhere. Genesis and his solo work. He seemed to receive a Lionel Richie type backlash. All this chart success, hit records, and being ubiquitous....Phil Collins became a target to tear down. I think in the last 5-10 years...Phil Collins work is getting a good look by some younger music artists and music fans. He had too many hits to be ignored and should be inducted in the next 5-10 years. Some Collins FAVS: In The Air Tonight, Easy Lover, You Can't Hurry Love. I also liked That's All with Genesis.
Good you bring up Gloria Estefan. She is very deserving of RRHOF as well as Miami Sound Machine. Don't know why she's having such a difficult time for nomination. A female Latina who has influenced many later singers, Gloria would appear the perfect artist to induct. Female and Latin artists are 2 underrepresented in the Hall Of Fame. I was a Big fan of 1-2-3. Gloria probably never looked or sounded better. It was an incredible performance and video. Falling In Love (Uh-Oh) I think is a Masterpiece. I've been listening to it since the pandemic. Conga, I think was one of the greatest songs of the 1980's. If Conga doesn't get a person dancing and moving, then that person doesn't have a pulse. Turn This Beat Around in the 1990's showed Gloria could still deliver to a cool disco sound. Gloria has been a class and honorable person. An elegance and grace others did not possess. She's also determined and strong to endure her accident and still be around today.
I think Joe Cocker and Warren Zevon will be inducted eventually. They have some good advocates in their corner. I remember when Billy Joel heard the news of Joe Cocker's death. He later was in concert and believed Cocker should be in the HOF. Cocker seemed to resurface every decade with a big hit. Up Where We Belong and When The Night Comes jump to mind.
Zevon probably would have been inducted already if he had decided a more commercial or mainstream path like his contemporaries. Excitable Boy with some of the lyrics...I don't know if that could be made today with the PC police today. I have to say Splendid Isolation and Lawyers, Guns, And Money are 2 of my FAV Zevon's songs. He was definitely a talented singer/songwriter. Keep up the good work! KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 20:41pm

Plebian,

Thank you for providing your evaluation of the 2010 class.

In terms of the "holy trinity" of prog, of course, I would place Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues in the "S" category; each of those bands have influenced countless other artists, in addition to many of the other "S" category recipients. I would also place Roxy Music in the "S" category, as well. I would place Depeche Mode in the "S" category. I would definitely raise E.L.O., The Zombies, Chicago and Peter Gabriel to the "A" category. I would also raise Donna Summer, Talking Heads and T. Rex to the "S" category. I would definitely raise the Cars to an "A", Stevie Nicks, Traffic and the Doobie Brothers to at least a "B." I would also raise Joan Baez and Z.Z. Top to an "A."

Of course, Genesis had been a hugely influential prog band and in terms of most "prog" aficionados, I think that the "A" rating may be very appropriate. Some individual artists (including former inductees) would probably suggest that Genesis should be raised to the "S" category, however.

Of course, what the Wilson sisters (Ann and Nancy) had done by joining an all male classic rock band and basically taking over and writing timeless classics is nothing less than remarkable, so yes I would have definitely raised Heart to at least the "A" level, but in terms of output and influence upon many of the grunge artists of the 1990's, I may even raise Heart to the "S" category.

Well, what do you think?

By the way, I have attempted to avoid demotions whenever possible.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 20:45pm

Plebian,

Out of curiosity, how would you organize the tiers for some of the major snubs/the artists you covered in your Christmas project?

Posted by RG on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 21:03pm

RG,

Oh sure thing. Here is my tier list on the 12 days of Christmas wishlist:

Dick Dale-C
King Crimson-B
Nick Drake-C
Big Star-B
Jim Croce-C
Joy Division/ New Order-A
Duran Duran-B
Black Flag-C
Iron Maiden-B
The Smashing Pumpkins-A
OutKast-A
Foo Fighters-B

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 21:21pm

Since Nick had mentioned Sade, in his latest installment of the "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project," I thought that I would once again, post my 2021 nominees list.

Since, KING had mentioned The Bangles and since Nick Bambach has listed them at #96 on his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects List," I thought that I would once again provide a portion of my 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees list.

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and for the most part- the end of the nearly 52 year old entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the outrageously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and 3 months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest (at least, Red Lobster had kept the Lobster Lover's Dream on the menu).

I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy) and the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G.did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever. Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. Nick Bambach has more information about these ladies, in case you are interested, please check out his
"The Audio-Visual Repertory: Perspectives On Popular Culture" blog.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

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The rest of the nominees:
11. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
12. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
13. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
14. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
15. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
16. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
17. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
18. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
19. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
20. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
21. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
22. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is very important to the younger generation.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/20/2020 @ 21:41pm

Nick,
Thank you for your response and views on the Jazz Fusion genre, and yes I did read your introduction to your 100 Artists listing a few weeks back that you made reference to. I will have to go back and reread it. Will post more later, it was a busy weekend.. And Plebian, I enjoyed your most recent Ratings list, I know you worked hard at that. I thought it was mostly pretty accurate, though preferably I might bump a couple of them up or down. Will check back later and catch up..

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 03:00am

I will compile my complete list of favorites in the RRHOF in the next few days and hope to have it out by the end of the week. This will be a comprehensive list of all the performers inducted from 1986 to 2020. This is simply going to be a list of someone who is deeply entrenched in certain genres and not as well versed in others, so please do not take offense if I list your favorite artists low. It is meant for entertainment purposes only, and someone has to be number 257...

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 03:12am

Plebian,

I will catch up here on reviews. This tier list is an awesome idea. I must Move up Eric Clapton IMO. He is one of my favorite artists of all time. I own most of his albums(cds). He too me is the greatest guitarist of all time. He is and always will be an S to me in terms of your ratings. Eric Clapton is a guitar hero through the decades. He recorded a number of successful solo albums and songs over the next several decades, including 461 Ocean Blvd and the country-infused Slowhand album (1977) and the pop rock of 1985's Behind the Sun. Following the death of his son Conor in 1991, Clapton's mourning was expressed in the song "Tears in Heaven", which appeared on a soundtrack, and in 1996 he had another top-40 hit with the pop crossover "Change The World", and from the 90s to Today has released a number of blues albums. I certainly make him S. Earth,Wind & Fire I also move up to S. They are a legendary R&B group. They were innovative and diverse. With sales of over 90 million records, they are one of the world's best-selling bands of all time. They are very important for R&B.
I also would not rate Paul Simon higher as an A and Talking Heads I think is and S. Talking Heads are legendary status. I would rate Traffic much higher than C. They are A rating to me. Bob Seger I would move to A also.
Then I agree up to 2008. I would move Leonard Cohen to the A tier.
I was goin to mention Letter C is average and that D may be a mistake. joker commented and you corrected. Also the list of each class is in random order it seems. But hey this tier project is hard enough, One more move. I would move Jeff Beck to A tier. He is a guitar legend. Thats it for Now.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 05:20am

Nick,

Quite a bit of adult contemporary from 60-51, but all deserving of at least consideration. Phil Collins has always been a personal favorite of mine and I think was legally required to be on every third song that was recorded from 1982 to 1989. At least it felt that way. He also was the only artist to perform at both the London and Philadelphia sites at the original Live Aid, taking the Concord to Philly after his London set was completed.

I'm definitely an advocate for Joe Cocker. Every year he's not nominates surprises me. Not that I'm his biggest fan or anything, but he just seems like such a logical choice to me.

Also particularly enjoyed the PJ Harvey, Pointer Sisters, and Jane's Addiction write-ups.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 09:46am

Guys I can't make everyone A's and S's.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 10:14am

Another small correction, Radiohead is an S tier act.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 10:27am

Plebian,

Enjoyed your rankings of the inducted artists quite a bit, but of course my assessments would differ on a number of them. In particular, I'd have fewer S-Level artists and probably drop some of the A-level ones to B. I suspect I'll end up having a lot of these artists lower than most others on this site would. Maybe I'm too tough of a critic. I think I'll follow your lead and list mine the same way you did, with some comments where we differ.

S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Great/Good
C-Average
D-Below Average

1986
Chuck Berry-S
Jerry Lee Lewis-A (Just a smidge below Legendary for me)
James Brown and the Famous Flames-S
Fats Domino-A
Little Richard-S
Buddy Holly and the Crickets-S
The Everly Brothers-A
Ray Charles-S
Sam Cooke-S
Elvis Presley-S

1987
Smokey Robinson and the Miracles-A
Roy Orbison-A (Just outside Legendary as well)
Ricky Nelson-B
Muddy Waters-S
Marvin Gaye-A (LOVES me some Marvin but can't quite put him in the highest tier)
Jackie Wilson-B (He's fits right in as Great for me)
Eddie Cochran-B (Super important to the history of rock and roll but wouldn't put him near the legends)
The Coasters-B (Almost dropped them to C. Right on the edge)
Bill Haley and his Comets-B
B.B. King-A
Aretha Franklin-S
Carl Perkins-B
Clyde McPhatter-C
Bo Diddley-S
Big Joe Turner-A (Integral to the development of Rock and Roll, but not Legendary)

1988
The Beatles-S
Bob Dylan-S
The Supremes-A (Perfectly fits the Almost Legendary category in my eyes)
The Beach Boys-S
The Drifters-A

1989
The Temptations-A (If Smokey Isn't Legendary, none of the Motown groups are)
Otis Redding-A (Almost dropped him to B, but I think he's a bit more than Great)
Stevie Wonder-S
The Rolling Stones-S
Dion-C

1990
The Who-S
The Kinks-A (Can't put them with the elites, despite their tremendous influence)
Simon and Garfunkel-B (Definitely Great in my eyes, but nowhere near Legendary)
The Platters-C
Hank Ballard and the Midnighters-C (Moved them up from D just because Hank wrote "The Twist")
The Four Seasons-B
The Four Tops-B (A step below the Temps and Supremes, but still Great)
Bobby Darin-C

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 10:54am

Thanks Michael W., I guess I'm too nice with some of these acts. I think I did a solid enough job. I love too many of these artists for me to demote or promote. Seeing all these inductees makes me realize people do not give the Hall much credit (But that is not saying much). Remember everyone Radiohead is an S-tier if you guys did not catch my post from earlier. I'm not doing record executives, early influences, sidemen, songwriters, and producers as not many don't know who they are. You got to be super technical in that stuff to understand them.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 11:45am

It's all subjective. I'm probably too harsh in my assessments, but c'est la vie! Here's my take on the second bunch you reviewed.

S-Legendary
A-Almost legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

1991
John Lee Hooker-A (Just outside the Legendary tier)
LaVern Baker-D
Wilson Pickett-B
Jimmy Reed-B (He's one of my favorite bluesmen, but I just can't list him above Great)
The Impressions-C
Ike and Tina Turner-B
The Byrds-A

1992
The Yardbirds-B
Sam and Dave-C
Johnny Cash-S
The Jimi Hendrix Experience-S
The Isley Brothers-B
Bobby 'Blue' Bland-C
Booker T and the M.Gs-D

1993
Van Morrison-B (He's very good-great, but not close to Legendary for me)
The Doors-A (At the bottomof the A-Level artists IMO)
CCR-A (Just above the Doors)
Sly and the Family Stone-A
Ruth Brown-C
Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers-D
Etta James-B
Cream-A (Almost dropped them to B-level but decided to keep them where you had them)

1994
Grateful Dead-B (Great band but not almost legendary, despite their legions of fans)
Elton John-S
Duane Eddy-C
Bob Marley-S
The Band-A
The Animals-B (Very good-Great, not almost legendary for me)
John Lennon-B (As an individual he is Legendary. As far as his solo career goes, I'd call him Great)
Rod Stewart-B

1995
Neil Young-A (Close to Legendary, but just shy for me)
Led Zeppelin-S
Martha and the Vandellas-B
Janis Joplin-B (Good to Great)
Frank Zappa-B (Smack dab in the middle of the B tier)
The Allman Brothers Band-B (Wanted to keep them in A since they basically created a genre but couldn't)
Al Green-B (Solid B for me)

1996
The Velvet Underground-S
The Shirelles-B
Little Willie John-C
Pink Floyd-S
Jefferson Airplane-B (It's a high B, but it's a B)
Gladys Knight and the Pips-C
David Bowie-S

1997
The (Young) Rascals-C
Parliament-Funkadelic-A
Joni Mitchell-A
Crosby, Stills, and Nash-B (Great, but not A-level)
Buffalo Springfield-C
The Bee Gees-B (Almost dropped them to a C, but stopped at a low B)
The Jackson 5-B

1998
Santana-B (The quintessential B-level band)
The Mamas and the Papas-C
Lloyd Price-D
Gene Vincent and his Blue Caps-C
Fleetwood Mac-A
The Eagles-A

1999
Paul McCartney-B
Dusty Springfield-B
Curtis Mayfield-B
Del Shannon-D
Billy Joel-B (I'm as big a Billy Joel fan as there is and I can't rank him as Almost Legendary)
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band-S

Feel free to disagree at will.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 13:01pm

Anxious to see how many of these acts will be on the 2021 ballot

01. Mary Wells
02. Ben E. King
03. Carole King
04. Diana Ross
05. Tina Turner
06. Judy Collins
07. Billy Preston
08. Harry Belafonte
09. Dionne Warwick
10. Chubby Checker
11. Patsy Cline
12. Dolly Parton
13. Willie Nelson
14. Connie Francis
15. Merle Haggard
16. Waylon Jennings
17. Joe Cocker
18. Phil Collins
19. Carly Simon
20. Steve Winwood

01. Foreigner
02. Thin Lizzy
03. Jethro Tull
04. Jan & Dean
05. Judas Priest
06. Iron Maiden
07. Steppenwolf
08. The Spinners
09. King Crimson
10. Bad Company
11. The Monkees
12. The Marvelettes
13. Kool & The Gang
14. The Kingston Trio
15. The Commodores
16. Peter, Paul & Mary
17. Blood, Sweat & Tears
18. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
19. The Spencer Davis Group
20. Joy Division / New Order

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 13:37pm

Michael W. if the Airplane are any letter grade, they'd want it to be a high one :-)

Enjoy reading your comments.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 13:42pm

Roy,

I say NONE of them, except possibly:

Tina OR Diana (not both)
Joe Cocker
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest (best chance, but no induction again)
Kool & the Gang

The others have NO CHANCE in you-know-where w/the NonCom ('deserving' has nothing to do with it)...

Posted by EDS on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 14:32pm

My predictions:

Newly-eligible: Jay-Z, Foo Fighters

Nominated before: Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, the Smiths, Todd Rundgren, John Prine, Motorhead, J. Geils Band, Kraftwerk

Never been nominated: The Guess Who, Kool and the Gang, Carly Simon, the B-52's, the Pointer Sisters, George Thorogood & the Destroyers

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 14:53pm

Heads up update for my tier list:

-Leonard Cohen is promoted to an A
-Big Joe Turner and John Lee Hooker are now demoted to S
-Jimmy Reed is demoted to B
-Radiohead (Sorry I need to emphasize it) is promoted to an S

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 22:26pm

*A, John Lee Hooker and Big Joe Turner are in that tier

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 12/21/2020 @ 22:38pm

Percy Sledge should get an extra tier only for himself: F.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 03:46am

Plebian,

You did a great job on this. I am up to Part 4 for review. Yeah, 2011 was a very strange class. You had a mistype with Paul Buttersfield Blues Band and I would move Paul Butterfield Blues Band to tier C. They are an average act that were notable in the 1960s. Also I would move Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble, Chicago, Yes and Whitney Houston up to the A tier. Also I would consider moving Guns n 'Roses and the Moody Blues up to S. They both changed music IMO. I agree with the rest.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 05:32am

I would rank Hesrt higher. It isn't about their music as innovation as much as they are the face of rock in women's progression, and without them, it stays a narrow male dominated genre. There are actually a group of rock purists and hesdbangers who seem to think only white males can rock. Its a ridiculous sentiment, but I've seen the toxic stupidity on boards throughout the internet

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 09:48am

Plebian,

Here are my thoughts on Part 3 of your rankings, with notes where we differ. Enjoy!

S-Legendary
A-Almost legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

2000
The Moonglows-D
James Taylor-B
Lovin' Spoonful-D
Eric Clapton-A
Earth, Wind, and Fire-B (Great band but almost Legendary doesn't feel quite right for them)
Bonnie Raitt-C

2001
Steely Dan-B (Despite their artistry, can't put them higher than Great)
Ritchie Valens-D
Aerosmith-B (The epitome of a B-level band to me. Very Good to Great but not near the status of the Legends)
Michael Jackson-S
Queen-A
Paul Simon-B
Solomon Burke-C
The Flamingos-D

2002
Talking Heads-A
Ramones-A (Debated about this one, but slid them down to A-level in the end)
Isaac Hayes-C
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers-A
Gene Pitney-D
Brenda Lee-C

2003
Righteous Brothers-C
The Police-B (My second favorite band, but I can't rank them higher than Great)
Elvis Costello and the Attractions-B (And I can't rank them higher than the Police)
The Clash-S
AC/DC-B (It's a high B, but it's a B)

2004
ZZ Top-B
Traffic-C
Prince-S
Bob Seger-C
Jackson Browne-C
George Harrison-C
The Dells-D

2005
U2-S
Percy Sledge-D (The lowest D possible)
The Pretenders-C
The O'Jays-C
Buddy Guy-B

2006
Sex Pistols-B (Need more than one album to approach legendary, no matter how impactful that album is)
Miles Davis-A (Toughest one to rank, but ended up moving just outside S-level)
Lynyrd Skynyrd-B (Excellent at what they do, but can't call them Almost Legendary)
Blondie-B (Very good to great)
Black Sabbath-A (Almost dropped them to B-level but their influence is just to massive)

2007
Van Halen-B (Right alongside AC/DC)
The Ronettes-C
R.E.M.-S
Patti Smith-B
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five-C

2008
The Ventures-C
Madonna-S (The first one I've moved UP to S. Impact well beyond her genre and EVERYONE knows who she is, whether they love her or hate her)
John Mellencamp-C
Leonard Cohen-B
The Dave Clark Five-D

2009
Run-DMC-A (Kinda wanted to move them up to S, but kept them where they were)
Metallica-S
Little Anthony and the Imperials-D
Jeff Beck-C
Bobby Womack-C

I'll try to get to the last batch by the end of the day.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 10:23am

"Rock & Roll Hall of Fame receives $235,000 donation from
@UnionHomeMtg
to help employees through pandemic"

Hey, FRL! Can you do some editing by changing to this instead? Thanks!

"Rock & Roll Hall of Fame receives $235,000 donation from
@UnionHomeMtg
to help employees through the Hall's recent bad business decisions for rigging the kiosk and online fan ballot."

That's more like it! The newest class was actually a commercial failure while the boycotts from the Mötley Crue and DMB fan bases were a success.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 11:35am

Just wanted to say, I don't think an act that managed to have a hit in four different decades deserve D tier.

(Bon Jovi.)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 13:51pm

Plebian,

Here are my views on the last batch you rated. I kept it as Bob Jovi because that's awesome.

S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Great/Good
C-Average
D-Below Average

2010
The Stooges-A
Genesis-B (So difficult to grade because of their two distinct eras, but I'd consider them Very Good to Great)
ABBA-C (Nothing special enough about them to be in the B-tier)
The Hollies-C
Jimmy Cliff-C

2011
Tom Waits-B
Alice Cooper-B
Darlene Love-D
Dr.John-D
Neil Diamond-C

2012
Beastie Boys-A
Guns N Roses-A
RHCP-A
Donovan-C
The Faces/Small Faces-D
Laura Nyro-D

2013
Donna Summer-B
Rush-A
Albert King-B
Heart-C
Public Enemy-S
Randy Newman-C

2014
Nirvana-S
Peter Gabriel-B
KISS-B (Totally not a fan but their fan base, influence, and notoriety are too big to be C-level)
Cat Stevens-C
Linda Ronstadt-C
Hall and Oates-C

2015
Green Day-A
Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble-B
Lou Reed-C (His solo career was pretty average to me)
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band-D
Bill Withers-C (Too talented to be Below Average)
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts-C (Too much of a legacy to be Below Average)

2016
N.W.A.-A
Deep Purple-B (Very Good, but not close to Legendary)
Cheap Trick-C
Chicago-C
Steve Miller-C

2017
Pearl Jam-A (Can't quite convince myself to put them with the Legends, though they were my favorite of the Grunge era)
2Pac-A (Just outside Legendary for me)
Yes-B
Joan Baez-C
ELO-C
Journey-C

2018
The Moody Blues-C
Dire Straits-C
Nina Simone-A
The Cars-B
Bob Jovi-C (Way too big to be Below Average. Not special enough to be above C-level)

2019
Roxy Music-B (I'd put them in the Very Good category)
Radiohead-S (Might be the most important band of the last 30 years)
The Cure-B (Truly Great band, but not quite A-level for me
The Zombies-C
Def Leppard-C
Stevie Nicks-D
Janet Jackson-B

2020
Depeche Mode-B (See the Cure)
The Notorious B.I.G.-A (See Tupac)
Nine Inch Nails-A
T-Rex-B (I'd like to put them in the A-level but I just can't. Still Great though)
Doobie Brothers-C
Whitney Houston-B (I totally agree that this is the right tier for her)

That exercise was actually a lot trickier than I thought it would be. If I did it again tomorrow, I'd probably have different ratings for a bunch of the artists. I know I'm a little harsher in my judgement than many on this site, but that's fine. Makes for some good discussions.

For me, the S-tier were the no doubt first year inductees. A was no doubt inductees in their first couple years eligible. B was no doubt should've gotten in in their first 10 years. C was should be inducted but it's fine if they waited awhile. D was artists that wouldn't really bother me much if they hadn't been inducted.

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 14:45pm

Say the Foo Fighters and Tina Turner earn Induction. How would they be ranked on this S-A-B-C-D scale?! KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 16:01pm

Foo Fighters would be a B for sure. Tina Turner is difficult however. Are we strictly looking at her solo work and her contributions for artists (including her stint with Ike) or just her solo work?That maybe why she has not been inducted yet.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 16:26pm

The fact that Tina Turner (solo) has yet to be nominated, much less inducted, is one of the biggest (of so very many) disgraces of the cRock Hall; too many performers of lesser talent/accomplishments are in ahead of her, and that is beyond inexcusable!

BTW, Tina solo would rate a worthy B/B+...

Posted by EDS on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 18:09pm

Plebian,

What are your latest predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/22/2020 @ 22:42pm

I just want to say that it is definitely a disgrace that Tina Turner solo has not even been nominated. She should have been Inducted by Now. I am a bit of a Tina Turner fan. She has some terrific songs in her solo career. A slightly known fact is that Tina Turner had some serious health problems like a cancer. But she has survived and is Alive and somewhat active at 80. She should be inducted before it's too late. She is overdue.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 05:05am

In the Tiny Dancer era, Tina Turner was the biggest 'mature' female recording artist on the planet. To me, she's like the Dionne Warwick of the 80s (as far as stardom).

I think her induction with Ike has not helped her solo chances. She certainly deserves to be inducted solo. Sad to say that being a black female probably doesn't help her either.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 06:32am

Paul in KY,

What is the Tiny Dancer era? I know Tiny Dancer the Elton John song LOL. Let me know about that. I do like Tina Turner significantly. Logically Tiny Dancer era is reference to 70s or 80s. Let me know this

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 12:07pm

Ben,

I think he meant Private Dancer, Tina's most successful album.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 13:22pm

Anyone wanna chime in for current predictions for the end of the year?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 14:55pm

Think I meant 'Private Dancer'! Good catch!

That was a long time ago :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 15:43pm

Alright, Plebian. I'll do it for you, but under one condition: You let me reveal who I WANT to see nominated for the Hall, and who I actually THINK will get nominated for the Hall. And it's gonna take awhile for me to compose a list. Have we got a deal, buddy?

Posted by John Mangee on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 15:48pm

Deal! Take you time buddy, no rush!

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 15:55pm

I know we don't often publish when musicians pass here, but since I've beaten the rock purist list with a dead horse this year, I'll send a special RIP to Leslie West, the vocalist and guitarist of my favorite one hit winder group, Mountain

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 16:15pm

Here's the latest installment of my 'Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project': #50-41. Given both the holiday season and the fact that I need to catch-up on the write-ups, the next installment (#40-31) will likely be published in approx. 2 weeks (maybe sooner, but I doubt it). I just wanted to let everyone know in case they're wondering.

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject50-41

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 20:25pm

Hey Follower,
Unsure what happened but I couldn't view your comment that you posted a while ago on my site (I see the email with your comment thou, but there wasn't an email to contact you directly). Anyway, I write one installment ahead of time so ensure the project is published in a consistent timeframe. I just wanted to take a short break to 'catch up' on some of the write ups and also spend some time with my family.

Regarding Kraftwerk, I won't reveal their spot on my list but I think it will hopefully make you happy. That's all I'll said.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12/23/2020 @ 22:17pm

Those are some great names. I am especially happy to see TLC ranked within the top 50. Salt N Pepa started the women's hip hop movement, but TLC and En Vogue ran with it well into the 90s. The tragic life and death of Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes really ended what could have been the most dominant female hip hop group in history. I won't go into full blown analysis mode as it's late, but your list is very thought provoking and well reasoned, Nick

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 12/24/2020 @ 03:47am

Nick.

I'm going to continue reviews from your project. I skipped some because I was busy working, I was with Family and spent some time with the fine Plebian project like his tier thing. I resume reviews with your 60-51 installment. I will look at your new 50-41 in the next week. I've enjoyed some music of the Pointer Sisters. They kept the girl group tradition alive in the 1970's and 80s. They became instant stars thanks to hit "Yes We Can Can" and would be the start of a 15-year reign of constant chart successes. They also wrote the uncharacteristic country ballad "Fairytale" which became not only a top-20 pop hit. I know these 2 tunes. I'm kind of old enough to remember them and I own Fairy Tale. I will download Yes We Can Can. They scored a lot of huge hits like I'm so Excited, Automatic and Jump for My Love. I don't remember the title. . But they had a song in Beverly Hills Cop. The Pointer Sisters also became one of the first black female artists to get played regularly on MTV and they became even bigger stars thanks to their outlandish and cool Videos. Pointer Sisters should be inducted kind of soon.
I remember Phil Collins well in the 80s. He became very adult contemporary. You are certainly right he was everywhere in the 80s. The Pointer Sisters also became one of the first black female artists to get played regularly on MTV and they became even bigger stars thanks to their outlandish and often campy musicThe Pointer Sisters also became one of the first black female artists to get played regularly on MTV and they became even bigger stars thanks to their outlandish and often campy music
Phil Collins is definitely a major force shaping the sounds and tones of adult contemporary for years to come. He did something very few have done before or since: ohave two hugely successful musical projects simultaneously. Starting the decade strong with his band Genesis, Collins also embarked on a highly-successful solo career starting with his debut album Face Value (1981) and the legendary hit single "In the Air Tonight." I enjoyed some of his music during the 80s. I like Genesis much more but he was so popular. I myself have thought of him over the years as a British easy listening star But my 2 favs are In the Air Tonight and Easy Lover.
It's Good to bring up Gloria Estefan. She is deserving of RRHOF. She's having such a difficult time for nomination because the Hall may be hesitant for for female Latina. Gloria is a good artist to induct. Female and Latin artists are 2 underrepresented in the Hall Of Fame. I am a bit of a fan of 1-2-3. Gloria probably never looked or sounded better. It was an incredible performance and video. Miami Sound Machine will forever be known as our introduction to Gloria Estefan, one of the great pop stars of the 1980s. Like many pop stars, she also performed adult contemporary songs alongside her dance-pop hits with equal success. A tragic 1990 car accident almost left her permanently paralyzed but she eventually recovered and she came back. Estefan is perhaps more responsible than any other performer to ensure the popularity of Latin-based music since the 80s. She's sold more than 100 million records and remains one of the most recognizable and popular people on the planet. Gloria is a classy and Honorable person, She is a great crossover success.
I think Joe Cocker and Warren Zevon will be inducted someday. They have some good support.. I remember when Billy Joel paid homage to Joe cocker after his death, Cocker seemed to resurface every decade with a big hit. Up Where We Belong and When The Night Comes jump to mind. Joe Cocker actually has a lot of albums. Since a lot of them didn't sell well I guess thats why he is Not in the Hall yet.
Warren Zevon has probably been held back due to his lack of commercial success. There's no one who sings or writes like Zevon. He experienced very little commercial success and is seen more as a cult hero. His tendency to focus on bizarre characters in a darkly-twisted world served as an inspiration for many latter-day Indie and Alternative rockers. But hey Leonard Cohen didn't have much commercial success either. I know David Letterman likes him Ok. That's it for now.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/24/2020 @ 05:01am

Alabama has over 40 #1 Hits and has an exemplary and strong 40 year run. Dixieland Delight, 40 Hour Week, Love In The First Degree, Mountain Music, Roll On 18 Wheeler, Song Of The South The Closer You Get, etc. The great Alabama songs scroll down the sceeen like an Enig Progressive Rock post. Alabama has their fingerprints in Americana, Gospel, Pop, Southern Rock as well as Country. Millions of albums sold. Influenced the many female and male vocalists and groups who started up in the later 80's and early 90's. Artist of the 80's. When you go down the list, Innovation, Influence, Musical Excellence, Commercial Success And Albums Sold, Hit Songs, Concerts/Shows Live Prrformances, Alabama scores high marks in all categories. It is time for Alabama to be inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Some may even say Alabama is the greatest country band of all time. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 12/24/2020 @ 05:25am

NICK.
Another solid Installment here. Oasis and WAR stand out to me as 2 groups that could be inducted. WAR reminds me of Ben E. King, Chuck Willis, Gram Parsons, LL Cool J, and some other multiple nominee artists. My guess the Committee believed these artists would earn induction from the voters. For some reason, it just never happened. Eric Burdon should have given the group the extra notoriety to put it over the top. Still WAR has not been inducted. My FAV is Spill The Wine.
OASIS sure had a dominant run in the mid 90's. Plenty of Classic songs. Champagne Supernova, Don't Look Back In Anger, Wonder Wall, etc. It will be great looking to see if OASIS is inducted by 2025 or 2030.
The Replacements songs resonated with people. My FAV The Replacements song is Unsatisfied. It seemed they burned bridges in the music industry with their attitude. Showing up wasted for concerts and then playing substandard. I think they The Replacements are deserving of the honor.
Thanks for bringing up The Pointer Sisters. You seem to be energized last year by the group. Growing up, I never thought The Pointer Sisters and Hall Of Fame. That was in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Now that it will be 2021 soon, I have to rethink my position. They have several hit songs. Slow Hand is A FAV. Jump is a high tempo masterpiece. Fire a monster hit. I remember Neutron Dance. Very good song. They had very good voices. I like when groups can shift lead singers and not miss a beat. It's why I admire the Eagles. They could have Frey sing or Henley. Any of the other guys could sing too.
TLC should be inducted. They were really cool and seem to be well-respected. I like the Waterfalls song. They were all beautiful to me. I probably liked Chili the best. They sold millions of albums. One of the earlier posters beat me to the punch. He talked about how great TLC could have been for many years. I agree. Remember when my Dad first saw the Ain't Too Proud To Beg video on MTV. We all had a big laugh. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 12/24/2020 @ 06:19am

Alright, everybody. There are 2 different lists I composed of who I want to see nominated, and who I think will actually get called.

First: Who I WANT to see nominated for the Hall, in no particular order:

1: Pat Benatar
2: Bryan Adams
3: Tina Turner
4: Jay-Z
5: Peter, Paul & Mary
6: Foreigner
7: King Crimson
8: Kool & the Gang
9: War
10: Duran Duran
11: Iron Maiden
12: Judas Priest
13: Soundgarden
14: Eurythmics
15: Carly Simon
16: Luther Vandross
17: Barry White
18: The Pointer Sisters
19: Rage Against the Machine
20: Sonic Youth
21: Mariah Carey

Now: Who I think will get the call INSTEAD:

1: Pat Bentar
2: Jay-Z
3: Dave Matthews Band
4: Duran Duran
5: Jethro Tull
6: The Go-Gos
7: The B-52s
8: Foo Fighters
9: Joy Division/New Order
10: Guess Who
11: John Prine
12: Kraftwerk
13: Eurythmics
14: Devo
15: Thin Lizzy
16: Motörhead
17: Judas Priest
18: Kool & the Gang
19: Rage Against the Machine

Well? What do you think?

Posted by John Mangee on Thursday, 12/24/2020 @ 10:22am

Darn it, I can't believe I forgot the first a in Pat Benatar's last name! How silly of me!

Posted by John Mangee on Thursday, 12/24/2020 @ 11:44am

My guesses for who comprises the top 40 of Nick's snub list (no particular order):

The B-52's
Bad Company
Barry White
Beck
Big Star
Carly Simon
Carole King
Commodores
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
The Go-Go's
Gram Parsons
Iron Maiden
Jethro Tull
Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Kool & the Gang
Kraftwerk
Link Wray
LL Cool J
Mariah Carey
MC5
The Monkees
Motorhead
OutKast
Pat Benatar
Pixies
Procol Harum
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
Willie Nelson

Let's see how I do!

Posted by RG on Thursday, 12/24/2020 @ 13:26pm

RG,
Lots of good guesses here but like one of the next 40 candidates once sang, my lips are sealed lol!

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 12/24/2020 @ 13:49pm

Nick,

Thank you for answering my question. I'm still hoping Kraftwerk isn't number 1 since it's so cliche. (Alex put Kraftwerk at number 1 every time he has updated his list of prospects, including his most recent.)

Another question, when Alex did his original prospects list, he did another post where he mentioned 15 honorable mentions, along explaining why some acts weren't on his list. (Examples: Ted Nugent is a Republican, John Coltrane has nothing to do with Rock and Roll, Cher having a lot of hits but no substance beyond that, various classic rock bands having nothing that makes them stands out from their contemporaries.) Will you please do something similar?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/24/2020 @ 15:24pm

Since it is Christmas, you guys want to share your favorite Christmas songs from our inductees?

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 12/24/2020 @ 18:07pm

Plebian,

I will answer this about favorite Christmas songs. Somebody should.. These are a few.
Father Christmas-The Kinks
What Child is This-the Moody Blues
Santa Clause is Coming to Town-Bruce Springsteen

But I must give honorable mention to my actual fav Christmas song.
I Believe in Father Christmas-Greg Lake But alas Emerson, Lake and Palmer are Not inductees. Not yet Sadly.
You said favorite Christmas songs from Inductees. But I threw in the Greg Lake one anyway

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/26/2020 @ 05:05am

Nick should bring up that every artist who has had a hit in four different decades other than Weird Al and Mariah Carey is in the Hall. In the latter's case, it's because of Christmas for the latter, but still.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 12/26/2020 @ 13:07pm

Since Plebian had asked and since Nick had mentioned Sade, in his latest installment of the "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project," I thought that I would once again, post my 2021 nominees list.

Since, KING had mentioned The Bangles and since Nick Bambach has listed them at #96 on his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects List," I thought that I would once again provide a portion of my 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees list.

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and for the most part- the end of the nearly 52 year old entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the outrageously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and 3 months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest (at least, Red Lobster had kept the Lobster Lover's Dream on the menu).

I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy) and the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode (whose work is now beginning to appeal to me), The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G. did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever.

Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. Nick Bambach has more information about these ladies, in case you are interested, please check out his
"The Audio-Visual Repertory: Perspectives On Popular Culture" blog.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having had a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

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The rest of the nominees:

11. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
12. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
13. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
14. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
15. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
16. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
17. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
18. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
19. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
20. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
21. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would be inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
22. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is very important to the younger generation.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/26/2020 @ 13:09pm

FRL REGULARS AND NEW VOTERS.
KING'S QUICK 20 Nominees For 2021-2022.
Here's some KING possibilities for next year.
1. ALABAMA-40+ Number 1 Hits. Millions of albums sold. So many great songs... High Cotton, Love In The First Degree, Mountain Music, Song Of The South, 40 Hour Week etc. Mostly Country but Southern Rock, Americana, some Gospel. Legendary band.
2. SMASHING PUMPKINS-I have them for this year but they could be in 2021-2022. Too many great songs to ignore and 1 of the best 90's Alternative Rock bands. Bullet With Butterfly Wings, 1979, Disarm, Today.
3. BLACK CROWES-Nothing better than 90's Southern Rock and Blues. A band most people liked and critics included. My FAV Black Crowes song is She Talks To Angels.
4. THE GO-GO's-I could see them being nominated in the 2020-2021 cycle as well. A limited discography but also 1 of the best songs of the 1980's Head Over Heels. An attractive and talented group with California Sunny upbeat songs, the Go-Go's could be 1 of the closing acts. With people angry and clamoring for more women in the Hall, the Go-Go's are a good bet to be inducted soon.
5. STONE TEMPLE PILOTS-It's been a few years since they were eligible. STP has made the requisite great songs and an impressive discography. KING FAVS: Big Empty, Creep, Interstate Love Song, Lady Picture Show, Sour Girl, etc. Scott Weiland's death a few years back also gives STP the tragedy factor.
6. TINA TURNER-I have Diana Ross this year but it is a close call. 60+ years in the music industry. Tina Turner will be inducted once nominated. A legend. Some KING FAVS include It's Only Love with Bryan Adams, Better Be Good To Me, Private Dancer, Typical Male, What's Love Got To Do With It.
7. INXS-Hopefully, Duran Duran will be inducted 2020-2021 cycle. If that holds, INXS a good choice for 80's choice. They had a strong discography and memorable songs. Never Tear Us Apart a KING great! Beautiful Girl, Disappear, Don't Change, One Thing, Need You Tonight, and so many others.
8. LENNY KRAVITZ-Now in his mid 50's, this music legend has the time and depth of songs and discography to earn his 1st nomination. Again, Fly, Heaven Help, Let Love Rule, New York City, and many others.
9. FOREIGNER-The group's been around 45 years. A great time for their 1st nomination. Gramm/Jones had a good decade of hits and platinum albums. KING FAVS: Cold As Ice, Double Vision, Head Games, Urgent, I Want To Know What Love Is.
10. WAR-Nick had a good write-up on WAR on his 100 List. I'm surprised they can't earn Induction. I like Spill The Wine. They have been nominated 3 times so they have some good advocates on the Committee.
11. BRYAN ADAMS-This Canadian legend has captured just about every award. It seems only fitting that he receives his 1st Nomination. A KING FAV from the beginning watching Cuts Like A Knife on MTV and the incredible Reckless album. KING FAVS: Cuts Like A Knife, It's Only Love, Hearts On Fire, Run To You, Summer Of 69, The Robin Hood Song Everything I Do I Do It For You.
12. SCORPIONS-It's time for the German legends in Hard Rock & Heavy Metal to earn their 1st nomination. Starting in 1965, the Scorpions have sold 100+million albums and traveled the world. Everybody knows the Classic Songs. Arizona, No One Like You, Rock You Like A Hurricane, Still Loving You, The Zoo, Wind Of Change, etc.
13. IRON MAIDEN-It's possible Judas Priest could be retried but Iron Maiden is tough to ignore. 40+ years of amazing songs and millions of albums sold. WASTED YEARS is my FAV Iron Maiden Song. I have witnessed a few Iron Maiden concerts and ruined my hearing. It was worth it. Adrian Smith guitarist is a KING FAV too.
14. KOOL & THE GANG-I've been having Kool & The Gang as a nomination or final cut(s) for the last 3 years. People are starting to consider them now. That's cool with me. My first recollection of Kool & The Gang was a young KING hearing the ubiquitous song Celebration. It seemed to be playing everywhere. My FAV Kool & The Gang might be Misled. 50+ years of music, it should be Kool & The Gang's time for a nomination.
15. THE OFFSPRING-Another group deserving of their 1st nomination. I remember when I first heard Self-Esteem in the 1990's. I'm thinking this band's going somewhere. A good melodic punk song and guitar work KING likes. Several platinum albums and 30+ years later...The Offspring is deserving of their 1st nomination.
16. AMY GRANT-One of the greatest singers of this generation. Grant started in Christian music scoring that Genres 1st platinum album. She crossed over into pop scoring a Big hit with Baby Baby. Married to country music star and Eagle Vince Gill, Grant is 1 of my Wild Card picks. She would give Christian Music a long neglected Genre representation into the Hall. Also, another female into the RRHOF.
17. JOHN FOGERTY-I would say John Fogerty is 1 of my FAV singers. Around 75 now, he still has a powerful voice and plays the guitar expertly. A living legend. He's another of my Wild Card picks since he is already inducted with CCR. The RRHOF Committee could still choose Don Henley, Robert Plant, Phil Collins, Steve Winwood, or Sting in this spot.
18. MOTLEY CRUE-1 of these years Motley Crue will be nominated. Now that Bon Jovi and Def Leppard are inducted, it is logical Motley Crue will follow. They were important to 80's metal and glam metal. MY FAV Motley Crue song is Girl Don't Go Away Mad (Girl Just Go Away) and Home Sweet Home. I think a nomination is soon.
19. PROCOL HARUM-The 60's greats and legends deserve nomination and induction. Also my progressive rock nomination. Just KING FAVS. A Whiter Shade Of Pale inducted as a Single. What a song! Also, As Strong As Samson, Conquistador, Crucifiction Lane, Homburg, Pandora's Box, Simple Sister, etc. I want them inducted.
20. LL COOL J-Definitely 1 of the biggest snubs. He's had several nominations but no Induction. Amazingly young age and Superstar in the 1980's. Helped legitimize rap as an art form hitting the charts. Radio a KING FAV and Mama Said Knock You Out a Classic.
That's my 20 for 2021-2022. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 12/26/2020 @ 16:21pm

Hey Everyone,

I just want to announce that I will probably bring back my Reviews of Past inductees. I recall the last Class I covered was 2016. I think so. I will actually Repeat 2016 to refresh everyone of that. And this Time I'll Go alll the way to 2020. But I willl wait until. Nick is done with his Project. I like reviewing his installments. I figure he will be done with this project by early February 2021. Soo stay tuned. It's Wayy too much effort to review Nick and also do my own. Soo Stay tuned

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/26/2020 @ 16:52pm

PERFORMERS
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Canned Heat
Joe Cocker
Johnny Winter
Mountain
Ten Years After
Johnny Rivers
Lou Rawls
Jefferson Starship
Tower of Power
Soundgarden
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
King Crimson
The J. Geils Band
Motley Crue
Anthrax
Slayer
Pantera
Pat Benatar
The Dave Matthews Band
Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Motorhead
Dio
Iron Maiden
The Smashing Pumpkins

SPECIAL COMMITTEE
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Steve Miller Band
The Belmonts
The Patti Smith Group
The Silver Bullet Band
Bob Welch
The Wailers
Wings
The Revolution
Crazy Horse
The Mothers of Invention
The Jeff Beck Group

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Weird Al Yankovic
Chubby Checker
The Big Bopper
Chic
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
Link Wray and His Wray Men
Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass
Johnny Otis and His Orchestra
Big Mama Thornton
Country Joe and the Fish

EARLY INFLUENCE
Bing Crosby
Ella Fitzgerald
The Glenn Miller Orchestra
Tommy Johnson
The Andrews Sisters
The McGuire Sisters
Charlie Parker
Scott Joplin
Louis Prima
Cab Calloway

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 12/27/2020 @ 02:08am

Enig,
Responding to your reposting of your nomination picks, I noticed that I had 10 of your Top 22 Nomination picks in my Top 18, which would be:
Jethro Tull
Pat Benatar/ Neil Giraldo
Kraftwerk
The B-52's
The Go-Go's
Willie Nelson
New York Dolls
Jay-Z
Joy Division/ New Order
Motorhead

Then I have 3 more of your choices in my Top 22:
#20. Eurythmics
#21. Thin Lizzy
#22. Duran Duran

I have The Commodores for my pick in place of your Kool & the Gang pick. I do like both, but give the edge to Lionel Ritchie and the band, so similar pick there.

Where we differ.. I have a few bands that I rate pretty highly in my Top 18 Nomination predictions that you do not include:

Bad Company
Judas Priest
The Guess Who
Smashing Pumpkins
Tommy James and The Shondells
Soundgarden
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan

Other than that, we agree on a quite a few potential nominees. Also, I just finished up on the last 2 installments on Nick's list this weekend, so I may comment some on that soon, and I would still like to weigh in on the chances for a Smashing Pumpkins nomination for the next class. I missed out on the great discussions you guys had a few weeks ago on the Pumpkins, but a lot of excellent points were made.
I will leave all of that pending for now and submit a video of a favorite song of mine, originally recorded in 1976 from the album "Rebel", by the British musician John Miles(who also sang on Alan Parsons Project LP's). The song is titled "Music" and is performed Live here with complete orchestra in 2001..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nz7gtCArOw

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 12/27/2020 @ 16:51pm

Garrus,

Among other things, I think you really are encouraging misuse/abuse of the AME category, to say nothing of Pat Benatar being the only woman on your Performers list.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12/27/2020 @ 17:29pm

And Grace Slick, but still...

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12/27/2020 @ 17:37pm

Mountain, if inducted, would genuinely be the least deserving inductee since Percy Sledge.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 12/27/2020 @ 19:36pm

Here is my tier ratings for those that have been nominated; I thought it would be fun to look at for the time being. Gonna post my final predictions for the year after this.

S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

Joe Tex-D
Chuck Willis-D
Esther Phillips-C
Mary Wells-D
MC5-C
New York Dolls-B
The Smiths-A
The Replacements-C
Sting-D
The Chantels-D
The Dominoes-C
Carole King-C
Kraftwerk-S
RATM-B
Soundgarden-B
Pat Benatar-D
Jane's Addiction-C
Bad Brains-D
John Prine-D
Motörhead-B
Dave Matthews Band-D
Judas Priest-B
Thin Lizzy-C
Rufus/Chaka Khan-D
Link Wray-C
The Sir Douglas Quintet-D
Procol Harum-C
Todd Rundgren-C
Gram Parsons-B
Ben E. King-D
The Spinners-C
War-C
Chic-C
LL Cool J-B
The J. Geils Band-D
The Marvelettes-D
Johnny Ace-C
Devo-B
Kate Bush-B
Steppenwolf-C
The J.B.'s-D
Los Lobos-D
Eric B. And Rakim-C
Afrika Bambaataa-C
Steve Winwood-D
Conway Twitty-D
Eurythmics-C

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/27/2020 @ 20:01pm

Forgot The Meters-D

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 12/27/2020 @ 20:50pm

I was wanting to turn AME into a miscellaneous/get it over with type category.

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 01:53am

The only thing I like about his list, and though I agree with several of the people he said should be inducted, I'm disagreeing on his principle that it focuses on the most narrow of genres for the HOF...is the fact he shoehorned in all the bands from many of the previous inductees that the Hall has FAILED to include, such as Steve Miller's BAND, Wings, the Wailers, The Silver Bullet Band, and we could go on and on...

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 04:09am

Nick,

I did Not yet review #51 on your list. I stopped with Warren Zevon, a great singer/songwriter. He is seen more as a cult hero. At #51 you have as Sade. I don't want to ignore her entry. She is a terrific R&B performer that infuses Jazz into her music. She emerged with great success in the 1980s.
When Sade and her band arrived on the music scene with Diamond Life (1984), they were as radical as you can get. They didn't rely on all those electronics to craft their sound but rather jazz, a genre that wasn't really trendy at the time. Their great production work, smooth-sounding jazz, sensuous lyrics and lead singer Sade's sultry vocals were a winning mix. Sade is a Quiet Storm artist. While they certainly weren't the first Quiet Storm artists, they popularized it to a global audience and remain one of the most important figures of that subgenre. Sade's impact on contemporary R&B is unmistakeable especially on the Neo Soul movement with artists such as Erykah Badu, D'Angelo and Maxwell citing Sade as an influence, I own stuff from those 3 artists. I like a decent amount of R&B especially Quiet Storm and some Neo-Soul. I'm not an expert on Quiet Storm R&B but I like some. Sade is very famous but she is always classy. But commercial success has always been huge for Sade. With over 50 million records sold worldwide, Sade is the most commercially-successful British female singer of all time. When her band releases new music or tours, it's a huge event.. Critics consistently praised their music and Diamond Life is an All time great album. I would certainly say with the Hall focusing on the 80s a lot more Sade should and must be a nominee at some point. I have failed to pick her as a Nominee myself. Enig ought to love this review of Sade. I think she will be nominated after Tina Turner and Diana Ross are given a good tries. Tina is lot older for sure. so we pay homage to Tina and Diana first. But hey then Sade should most definitely be nominated. She is very deserving of nomination

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 05:05am

Ben,

I would definitely not be upset to see both Tina Turner and Sade get in during the same year. Yes, Nick had articulated several reasons for inducting Sade, therefore I have been very interested in what he has to say in his continuing installments of his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects List."

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 06:59am

Will N.,

You are correct. We will always have differences. In my honest opinion, the Rock Hall Nominating Committee should definitely give Rufus with Chaka Khan a rest this year and nominate Sade instead.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 07:05am

Philip,

Welcome back to the forum.
It is good to see that you have finally made an additional entry in your "Rock Hall Monitors" blog. Now, are you going to post your list of 2021 nominees in the very near future?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 07:36am

After reading these postings I have to say I'm sorry but Sade is NOT the most commercially successful British female singer of all time. Petula Clark has sold over 68 million records and that doesn't include the sale of sheet music which was kept track of way back many years ago.

Posted by Zechariah on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 16:30pm

Of the 5 acts who have been in the top 5 in the fan vote but haven't been inducted, which ones do you guys think has the best chance at getting nominated again? (They are: Dave Matthews Band, Soundgarden, Judas Priest, Todd Rundgren, and Pat Benatar)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 17:48pm

Sade has sold 75-80 million albums worldwide....

Posted by Nick on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 18:13pm

Garrus,

That's exactly how I believe that category should NOT be used, only I nicknamed it the "Because we f#*%in' said so, that's why!" category.

Enigmaticus,

Thanks, and I don't know. Right now, it's hard for me to care about much period, Rock Hall or otherwise. Every day has been a duck-your-head-and-plow-right-ahead kind of survival for much of this year. It's had a very degenerative effect on me, which is bad enough without being cynical about human nature to the point of misanthropy to begin with. So will I? I don't know. Maybe. I have a snarky feeling that Sykes' forward vision will be to trade White Boomer Dad Rock for White Gen X Dad Rock. Hope to be wrong though. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 21:01pm

Philip,

What do you mean with Generation X White Dad? Is that even a thing?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 21:17pm

Adele has sold over 120 million records. Her ASR score on chartmasters . org is 338 compared to 250 for Sade.

Posted by Zechariah on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 21:19pm

Follower,

In my view,

Todd Rundgren-3 noms, though they may have to put him in the Musical Excellence Award.

Soundgarden-3 noms, I'm sure with more open opportunities for the 90s, they will be back for consideration.

Dave Matthews Band-3 or more, not many people respect them or honestly care about.

Judas Priest-3 or more, the Heavy Metal injustice is pretty apparent from the Hall. Why do you think Black Sabbath took forever and Metallica was not a slam dunk FYE in the first place?

Pat Benatar-Has the strongest chances I feel from the Top 5. It's clear the Hall respects her (adding her husband probably shows) and that she does not badmouth them much by not really caring. Problem is not many consider her that good or influential (this is from gossip talk, so bare with me).

Phillip,

Another thing to add, everything will sooner or later become alright. Hope you do well and maybe the cynicism from everything will create a counterculture on trying to embrace
the simple things in life. :)

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 21:35pm

Yes Plebian, the music that White Gen X dads listened to when they were growing up, just as "Dad rock" usually referred to what White Boomer dads listened to during their adolescence.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 23:01pm

Phillip,

Who do you think is the Gen X equivalent of the most quintessential Boomer dadrock band, The Eagles? I would nominate either Pearl Jam or the Dave Matthews Band.

Posted by RG on Monday, 12/28/2020 @ 23:16pm

White Gen X dads listened to 80s butt rock, 90s alternative, as well as 90s gangsta rap coastal wars and the pop/r and b that exploded through the 2 decades. I shudder at this topic being labeled some middle aged guy with a skullet and a Britny Fox shirt going "YEAHHHH HaIr rOcK iS tHe OnLy MuSiC tHaT mAtTeRs!"

That said, once Motley Crue finally goes in, will there be a voice for Poison? Warrant? Winger? Dare I say, Mr. Big?

Intriguing and horrifying lol

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 01:08am

Generation X dads are more tolerable than Boomer dads, but come in spades and have less meme potential compared to Boomer dads. I say the quintessential Generation X band is Pearl Jam without a doubt. Literally every other late 90s-early 00s band wanted to be Pearl Jam.

K-Dawg,

I seriously doubt Motley Crue will ever get in. The Dirt, without being bias towards them, was a pretty crappy movie. Sure it exposed them more, but honestly the hype died down and people feel don't have much incentive to vote for them I believe. Rarely does something like a movie or a tv miniseries/made for tv film ever translates to a Rock Hall induction. Rush, Nina Simone, N.W.A., and Ritchie Valens are the exception. Maybe The Go-Go's, but that has yet to be seen. Also they are pretty much banned for life aren't they?

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 01:39am

Motley Crue is Banned for Life from the Hall. Maybe they will get inducted when all band members are dead.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 06:23am

Nick.
Another very nice installment Here, I will now crack your Top 50. King Crimson, War and the Shangri-Las stand out as 3 groups that should be nominated and possibly inducted.
King Crimson incorporated non-rock genres such as jazz and classical to form their distinct and utterly original sound. Their experimental approach to Rock inspired a lot of bands bands, many of whom are Rock Hall inductees such as Genesis and Yes. In the Court of King Crimson (1969) is not only one of the great progressive rock albums, but one of the greatest debut albums ever made. Their music hasn't always done well with Critics. Robert Fripp is the terrific lead guitarist of the group and the only constant member. I don't know King Crimson veryy well but enough to know they deserve nomination. I would think they are inducted eventually. I've heard the album Starless from 1974. That's a landmark album to me. The Rock Hall has slowly embraced progressive rock in the 10 years. King Crimson never had a pop hit and many of their songs average at about 8-10 minutes each (exaggerating of course but not far off). This does hurt them in the eyes of some, but hey so what Yes have tracks like Close to the Edge that is close to 190minutes long. King Crimson is one of the foundational progressive rock artists who should be inducted into the Rock Hall. They influenced bands in genres as diverse as metal, Hard rock and Jazz. King Crimson should be inducted sooon,
War i would think should have a good chance with Eric Burdon giving them success in 1970 when he fronted the group. I like Spill the Wine a lot. That scored them a huge hit.
They certainly have a lot of hits: "Low Rider," "Why Can't We Be Friends?," "The Cisco Kid," "Summer" and "Slippin' into Darkness." I like all those hits. I actually liked Cisco Kid when I was 8 years old. The World is a Ghetto was one of the best-selling album of 1973, arguably one of the most important years in rock history. But looking at their entire discography, War's strongest efforts are their deeper album cuts. They got commercial success and radio play. War has a bunch of definitive albums. They got commercial success and radio play even on Classic Rock stations. They play Low Rider all the time. And hey they've been nominated a few times. I think they'll return to the ballot.
The Shangri Las are best known for Leader of the Pack. The publicity photos and album covers featuring The Shangri-Las alongside motorcycles (which can be heard in "Leader of the Pack") screams danger and action, which is one of the qualities of any great rock and roll artist. Judging from any of the stories during their prime, these are not girls you want to meet in an alley and they certainly lived up to their reputation. They had great production and inspired acts like the Ramones and Joan Jett. Sadly Leader of the Pack was inducted into the stupid singles category killed a lot of good chances for a nomination but hey its's possible. Thats it for now

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 09:15am

Mötley Crue would be in right now as a mandate inclusion (which is what the Hall needs to stay relevant) if they didn't rig the kiosk and online fan ballot. F*cking idiots and their shitty business decisions. That band would have been the saving grace for the Class of 2020 commercially, but it failed. No matter what excuses the Hall could make, there are NO GOOD REASONS why they omit acts the general public wants the most - They're being a bunch of sorry ass stooges.

The Hall needs to bring back their business integrity or things are gonna get worse like it's happening to major sports leagues and Hollywood. Get woke, go broke!

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 10:11am

Nick and Ben,

The debut album for King Crimson is actually "In The Court Of The Crimson King." Also, Rush had been hugely influenced by Genesis, 2/3 of the "holy trinity" of prog (Yes and The Moody Blues), in addition to early Deep Purple (circa "Deep Purple") and King Crimson. In fact, the latter four bands were artists that the members of Rush had themselves advocated for.

Rush's Rock Hall induction: 'I'm relieved for our fans'
Marco della Cava, USA TODAY

But I also hope this means other great bands like Yes will follow suit," says Lee. "Deep Purple was on the ballot this year, and I was hoping they'd get in with us. We wouldn't be the band we are without Deep Purple's existence."

Lifeson says he hopes Rush's inclusion "opens the doors for bands like the Moody Blues and King Crimson, who had a huge influence. It's a bit ironic, really. Rock music was born in rebellion, so it's odd to have (a Hall of Fame) where there seem to be guidelines for who's acceptable and who's not."

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 11:36am

Enig,
It's listed on my site as 'In the Court of the Crimson King.'

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 11:48am

I can't wait for the 2021 nominees- there is always someone I'm rooting for each year and I hope they dont disappoint.

I cant predict for all types of inductees, but for the pop/R&B diva category that might eventually have a spot here my suggestion are as following (in order of consideration)

1. Tina Turner- she was the true force of her Ike/Tina days whether you believe it or not and its crime she wasn't the first woman inducted twice.
2. Diana Ross- I don't get why the Hall is acting like Tina, the Supremes was basically her and some background singers. She also had a brilliant solo career that is sighted by many 21st century musical acts as influential.
3. Patti Labelle- The mastermind vocalist is one of the last of the OG soul legends left- let's not snub her.
4. Dionne Warwick- same with Patti tbh.
5. Mariah Carey- my actual favorite from this list and the biggest star, but ofc came after and the Hall needs to get the older ladies in before it's too late in my opinion. Carey however deserves an induction this decade and with all her peers in, it's about time she's considered as she's shown musical excellence to the max.
6. Chaka Khan- the fact we are still discussing her not being in is tragic.
7. Barbra Streisand/Celine Dion- I'd prefer Barbra over Celine to go in first due to seniority but yes. They are only this low because I know any mention of them and the Hall of Fame and it's sacrilege. Yet the Hall inducted irrelevant like Percy S. and Lloyd Price while turning their noses up at women who are actually influential in singing and in the case of Streisand, have sustained careers spanning longer than some inductees have been alive.
8. Mary J. Blige- a more niche pick but far more representing of R&B than any other act on this list and that has been inducted into the Hall in years.

Posted by ABJ on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 11:52am

Nick,

Thank you for making that correction. The first time that I had read it, it had been different.

Ben,

Please correct your previous comment.

Thank you.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 11:55am

It wasn't a correction and it was like that when I published it last week.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 12:04pm

My predictions once again for the 2021 class and my final one for the year.

1970s
Kraftwerk (6 Noms)
Rufus/Chaka Khan (Total of 5 Noms)
John Prine (1 Nom)
New York Dolls (1 Nom)
Big Star (FYN)
Bad Company (FYN)

1980s
The Go-Go's (FYN)
Eurythmics (1 Nom)
Pat Benatar (1 Nom)
B-52's (FYN)

1990s
Soundgarden (1 Nom)
RATM ( 2 Noms)
Smashing Pumpkins (FYN)

2000s
Jay-Z (FYE)

All Generational
Tina Turner (FYN)
Motörhead (1 Nom)

The class:

Tina Turner
Pat Benatar
Jay-Z
Smashing Pumpkins
B-52s
6: Kraftwerk
7: RATM

I wish you all a Happy New Year!

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 12:33pm

Nick,

Many apologies, I must have read your blog incorrectly. Still, I wonder why Ben has the different title?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 12:38pm

Nick,

I can hardly wait until your next major blog entry. Thank you for keeping us informed.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 12:42pm

KING,
I agree with you on the potential nomination for INXS. I have them in my Top 25, so hopefully a nomination will happen in the next 3-4 years They were huge for a few years. Plus, I will always be pushing for Scorpions till they make it in.. too many great songs to ignore.
Good points by Enig and Ben on King Crimson.. They are also in my Top 25. I give Jethro Tull the edge over them for a Prog nomination, but hopefully in the next 2 to 5 years we could hopefully see a King Crimson nomination. They are just too experimentally creative to overlook, and highly influential. KING makes some good points that hurt them. The lack of hits, kind of a more underground fan base, but the ability to keep reinventing themselves and the genius of Robert Fripp has made them a one of a kind, unique and mind altering type of band. No other band is quite like them, except for maybe Pink Floyd, in there own way. So what I see for King Crimson is an inevitable induction, the question is just when this will occur, but I feel eventually this will happen..

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 19:29pm

I was reluctant to add that there are a few other bands comparable to the legacy of King Crimson, and I feel that Nine Inch Nails for their experimental creative versatility would be similarly credible. Another band to mention would be Tool for the same reasons, and Maynard has already confirmed that he was highly influenced by King Crimson.

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 19:40pm

Philip,

You might find that writing in your blog can be quite cathartic. Before I had appeared on this site; I had a blog for several years. I miss your point of view especially and it should come as no surprise that I have added your blog to my favorites' list several years ago. I happen to think that you always have had something useful to say. I have always been encouraged to read what you have written, regardless of whether or not I happen to agree with it. .

So, I hope that helps to encourage you to create some new entries.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 19:43pm

Heyy Enig,

It's goood to hear from you. You said to correct my comment. I want to correct it but what is the mistake? It may have been when I said Heyy Yes have a track Close to the Edge is almost 190 min long. By mistake. I meant 19 min long. Is that the mistake? Let me know.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 20:18pm

Ben,

Thank you,

No, the title of King Crimson's debut album is "In The Court Of The Crimson King." Where did you get the other title?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 21:29pm

Enig,
Thank for the compliments (and others too) and I plan to hopefully publish the next installment by the weekend. To be fair, the album title is slightly confusing given it's the name of the band but backwards. I've seen a few people incorrectly write it in the past. I say let's give Ben a pass on this one and honestly it's not that big of a deal.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 12/29/2020 @ 22:09pm

Nick,

You are certainly welcome It is good to hear that you will be publishing your next installment this weekend. I have definitely been looking forward to it.

Regarding: "In The Court Of The Crimson King (An Observation by King Crimson)"

Yes, the title of King Crimson's debut album is backwards from the group's name. It had been released in 1969, so it is not surprising that the title is somewhat pompous. Remember "Ummagumma" by Pink Floyd and the song, 'Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and grooving with a Pict?' Coincidentally, "Ummagumma" had also been released in 1969. Imagine if that kind of nonsense had continued into the mid 1970's? I mean why didn't King Crimson just call their debut album "King Crimson," instead?

Can you just imagine what the title of certain "prog" albums would be without simplification? Instead of The "Yes Album," we could have had "The Most Definitely Not No!" Album. Rush's debut album could have been titled "Do Not Attempt To Move at a Snail's Pace." Rush's second album could have been titled "Aviate during Later Nocturnal Hours." Rush's third album could have been titled "A Slight Touch induced by an Iron Carbon Alloy." Rush's fourth album could have been titled "On a Distant Planet (Those Events Which May Have Been Occurred More Than A Century Later on Their World) After Our Present Time." Rush's fifth studio album could have been titled,"Say Goodbye to the Established Male Monarchs." The whole thing could really become quite absurd if Yes, Rush, or several other bands had desired to continue to name their studio recordings In such a ridiculously pompous manner.

How important overall is the name of an album when Pete Townshend had called the album, "an uncanny masterpiece?" When, the "prog" community would probably ex-communicate me for not correcting it? When critics (who love this album dearly, except for Robert Christgau (who does not like prog in any manner whatsoever) would verbally excoriate me for allowing someone to call it by it's improper name? In a way, it's almost Shakespearean: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

The reason why I am so perturbed by the incorrect name is because I face the same thing everyday. Case in point- my present town is mispronounced daily by it's residents, in addition to the spokespeople for the companies who do business there. The late Neil Peart's name has been mispronounced multiple times, as well.

It's up to you, but if we let it slide then we are committing an egregious error, in my honest opinion. This is not meant to be harsh, but it is intended to be an educational experience, since this recording is essentially an extremely important historical musical document.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 03:10am

Nick,

You are most certainly very welcome. It is definitely good to hear that you will be publishing your next installment this weekend. I have most assuredly been looking forward to it.

Regarding: "In The Court Of The Crimson King (An Observation by King Crimson)"

Yes, the title of King Crimson's debut album is backwards from the group's name. It had been released in 1969, so it is not surprising that the title is somewhat pompous. Remember "Ummagumma" by Pink Floyd and the song, 'Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and grooving with a Pict?' Coincidentally, "Ummagumma" had also been released in 1969. Imagine if that kind of nonsense had continued into the mid 1970's? I mean why didn't King Crimson just call their debut album "King Crimson," instead?

Can you just imagine what the title of various rock, or "prog" albums would have been without simplification? Instead of The "Yes Album," we could have had "The Most Definitely Not No!" Album. Deep Purple's third album could have been titled, "Intensely Saturated Royal Blue Violet, or Red Violet."

Rush's debut album could have been titled "Do Not Attempt To Move at a Snail's Pace." Rush's second album could have been titled "Aviate during Later Nocturnal Hours." Rush's third album could have been titled "A Slight Touch induced by an Iron Carbon Alloy." Rush's fourth album could have been titled "On a Distant Planet (Those Events Which May Have Been Occurred More Than A Century Later on Their World) After Our Present Time." Rush's fifth studio album could have been titled,"Say Goodbye to the Established Male Monarchs." The whole thing could really become quite absurd if Yes, Rush, or several other bands had desired to continue to name their studio recordings In such a ridiculously pompous manner.

How important overall is the name of an album when Pete Townshend had called the album, "an uncanny masterpiece?" When, the "prog" community would probably ex-communicate me for not correcting it? When critics (who love this album dearly, with the exception of Robert Christgau- who apparently does not like prog in any manner whatsoever) would verbally excoriate me for allowing someone to call it by it's improper name? In a way, it's almost Shakespearean: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

The reason why I am so perturbed by the incorrect name is because I face the same thing everyday. Case in point- my present town is mispronounced daily by it's residents, in addition to the spokespeople for the companies who do business there. Do I always correct them? Yes, I most certainly do. The late Neil Peart's name had unfortunately been mispronounced multiple times, as well.

It's up to you, but if we let it slide this time then we are committing an egregious error, in my honest opinion. This is not meant to be harsh, but it is intended to be an educational experience, since this recording is essentially an extremely important historical musical document. Therefore, in my honest opinion, it should be known by it's proper name.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 03:34am

Nick,

You are most certainly very welcome. It is definitely good to hear that you will be publishing your next installment this weekend. I have most assuredly been looking forward to it.

Regarding: "In The Court Of The Crimson King (An Observation by King Crimson)"

Yes, the title of King Crimson's debut album is backwards from the group's name. It had been released in 1969, so it is not surprising that the title is somewhat pompous. Remember "Ummagumma" by Pink Floyd and the song, 'Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and grooving with a Pict?' Coincidentally, "Ummagumma" had also been released in 1969. Imagine if that kind of nonsense had continued into the mid 1970's? I mean why didn't King Crimson just call their debut album "King Crimson," instead?

Can you just imagine what the title of various rock, or "prog" albums would have been without simplification? Instead of The "Yes Album," we could have had "The Most Definitely Not No!" Album. Deep Purple's third album could have been titled, "Intensely Saturated Royal Blue Violet, or Red Violet."

Rush's debut album could have been titled "Do Not Attempt To Move at a Snail's Pace." Rush's second album could have been titled "Aviate during Later Nocturnal Hours." Rush's third album could have been titled "A Slight Touch induced by an Iron Carbon Alloy." Rush's fourth album could have been titled "On a Distant Planet (Those Events Which May Have Taken Place, or perhaps had Actually Occurred More Than A Century Later on Their World) after what is considered to be Our Present Historical Era." Rush's fifth studio album could have been titled,"Say Goodbye to the Established Male Monarchs." The whole thing could really become quite absurd if Yes, Rush, or several other bands had desired to continue to name their studio recordings In such a ridiculously pompous manner.

How important overall is the name of an album when Pete Townshend had called the album, "an uncanny masterpiece?" When, the "prog" community would probably ex-communicate me for not correcting it? When critics (who love this album dearly, with the exception of Robert Christgau- who apparently does not like prog in any manner whatsoever) would verbally excoriate me for allowing someone to call it by it's improper name? In a way, it's almost Shakespearean: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

The reason why I am so perturbed by the incorrect name is because I face the same thing everyday. Case in point- my present town is mispronounced daily by it's residents, in addition to the spokespeople for the companies who do business there. Do I always correct them? Yes, I most certainly do. The late Neil Peart's name had unfortunately been mispronounced multiple times, as well.

It's up to you, but if we let it slide this time, then we are committing an egregious error, in my honest opinion. This is not meant to be harsh, but it is intended to be an educational experience, since this recording is essentially an extremely important historical musical document. Therefore, in my honest opinion, it should always be known by it's proper name.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 03:44am

ABJ, thanks for your list & some great points. On Diana Ross, you said this below:

'2. Diana Ross- I don't get why the Hall is acting like Tina, the Supremes was basically her and some background singers. She also had a brilliant solo career that is sighted by many 21st century musical acts as influential.'

The comment about The Supremes really being her with some background singers is why she won't get in solo. The Hall thinks they already inducted her 'solo'.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 06:40am

Enig,

Thank you for response. Ahh I see. "In the Court of the Crimson King" is the debut album. It's a mistype. Sorry about that. The other title I mentioned is Starless. I got the title from reading Nick's Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects. #50 is King Crimson. It says Essential songs. First I mixed that up with Essential albums. I looked up discography on AllMusic Now. The correct title is Starless and Bible Black from 1974. And i will add I have listened to Discipline and Beat from the Early 80s. Those I know were with Adrian Belew. This certainly covers my corrections and extends my King Crimson review to the 80s. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 07:02am

I also want to clarify about the Shangri-Las. They are possibly known for 3 songs. Leader of the Pack of course, Remember (Walkin' in the Sand) and I can Never Go Home Alone. I thought I would clarify for the Shangri-Las fans out there. I figure after King Crimson corrections I would make a Shangri-Las correction.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 07:11am

Enig,

"The Kings In The Crimson Court" by The Kings of Crimson is a great album with a cool name :)

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 10:27am

Paul in KY,

I see! I would have been fine with that notion if they inducted her as Diana Ross and the Supremes- I guess its cause I feel that her star a true solo artist was far brighter than with her 60s group, but alas.

Posted by ABJ on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 12:13pm

So about a month left?

I wish they would just up and induct 100 artists to make up for the constant neglect.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 16:21pm

Here are my 20 nominees
1. Weird Al his song parodies have entertained for 6 decades now
2. Harry Belafonte Daaaaaayyyy OOOOOO
3. Dan Fogleberg his love songs are timeless
4. Tina Turner she is simply the best better than all the rest
5.The B-52's new wave legends
6. The Pet Shop Boys the beginning of techno music
7. Foreigner I wanna know why they are not in .. i want you to tell me
8. Patsy Cline i know she is country but Crazy made the pop charts and gave us Willie Nelson
9. Kansas because dust in the wind dude
10. Willie Nelson nuff said
11. Motley Crue home sweet home
12 . Duran Duran new wave 80's
13. Cindy Lauper the rock and wrestling connection
14. Cher If she could turn back time she would be in already
15. Whitney Houston we will always love her
16. The Mamma's and the Pappas nuf said
17. Chubby Checker twist baby
18. The Commodores and or Lionel Richie Hello are you kidding me they should be in
19. Giorgio Moroder midnight express nuff said
20. Emerson Lake and Palmer progressive rock gods

Posted by John on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 17:35pm

The Mamas and the Papas are already in

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 18:48pm

Everyone has been saying that the hall should induct more women, but why? Don't say it's because there aren't very many women in the hall.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 19:09pm

I've got an excellent explanation for this one: The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame needs to induct more women, because women have been just as important in shaping the sound of Rock N' Roll music (and in some cases, more so) as men have.

There's your explanation.

Posted by John Mangee on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 19:55pm

"Everyone has been saying that the hall should induct more women, but why? Don't say it's because there aren't very many women in the hall."

- Follower

One word: Demographics

In certain businesses, making something appealing for one sex is not the case to stay relevant when they should embrace both males and females. Sure, there are some male acts who are and were women-friendly, but the female acts arguably appeals to their own sex the most. I know that's sounds stereotypical, but the Hall mostly goes with the old-saying "something for everyone," which they should and need to ALWAYS.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 22:34pm

They should embrace both no matter what. However, to play devil's advocate are you saying the males are not deserving even ones with some females in them?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 12/30/2020 @ 23:25pm

In that very comprehensive RRHOF prediction/wish list, we were reminded the Mamas and the Papas were already in, but Whitney Houston is in as well.

There definitely needs to be more women in the RRHOF. They have made just as big of an impact as the men. They had to fight through more barriers and stereotypes, because as the 50s and 60s progressed, the new trends and attitudes being displayed always amounted to overcoming old prejudices about why they couldn't do what men could do. In addition, from a perspective regarding the traditional rock purist view of the RRHOF, their genres (with exceptions like Janis Joplin, Heart and the already ignored Pat Benatar who isn't in yet), women don't try to rock or play guitars; they are more about harmonious songs or softer/poppier sounds. In terms of rock and roll overall, they are underrepresented much like the guitar rock genre is oversaturated with 60s and especially 70s heavy bands. That's not to take away from any talent, it's just the sheer numbers are probably 4 to 1 male to female.

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 12/31/2020 @ 00:37am

If you want more women, how about Pat Benatar

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 12/31/2020 @ 01:46am

NICK.
I'm going to continue reviews of you last installment. Devo stands out as a group that could be inducted. They were nominated once in 2019 already. We all know the song Whip It. This makes them labeled as a one hit wonder. But other known tunes are Girl U Want and Freedom of Choice. They had an odd remake of Satisfaction. But I didn't care for that much. I was still in love with the amazing Stones original at that time. I know Devo is much more than that one song Whip It. They combined electronics with the Punk Rock. David Bowie and Brian Eno famously produced their debut album, praised somewhat as one of the best in rock history, and then Freedom of Choice (1980) became their commercial breakthrough. Bands with at least two classic albums are usually shoo-ins for Rock Hall induction, but critics are not always kind to Devo.. Many claim their odd lyrics and simple sound borders on silly music, which is usually music not meant to be taken seriously. To their defense, Devo is very gimmicky with their red energy dome hats and yellow jumpsuits. They brought oddball humor to their music. A plus for them is they are from Ohio like the RnR Hall museum itself. I expect Devo's name to come up again.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/31/2020 @ 05:38am

Since Garrus had mentioned Pat Benatar, once again here is my list.

Since Plebian had asked and since Nick had mentioned Sade, in his latest installment of the "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project," I thought that I would once again, post my 2021 nominees list.

Since, KING had mentioned The Bangles and since Nick Bambach has listed them at #96 on his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects List," I thought that I would once again provide a portion of my 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees list.

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and for the most part- the end of the nearly 52 year old entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the outrageously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and 3 months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest (at least, Red Lobster had kept the Lobster Lover's Dream on the menu).

I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy) and the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode (whose work is now beginning to appeal to me), The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G. did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever.

Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. Nick Bambach has more information about these ladies, in case you are interested, please check out his
"The Audio-Visual Repertory: Perspectives On Popular Culture" blog.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, Episode 46: "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having had a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Here are my top 7 choices from my list:

1. Tina Turner (solo)
2. Sade
3. Carly Simon
4. Pat Benatar
5. The Bangles
6. Duran Duran (Including touring members- Dawn Ades, Anna Ross and Dom Brown)
7. Jethro Tull

In my honest opinion, such an induction, would definitely change preconceptions about the Rock Hall being chauvinistic and misogynistic and help to create a little more parity between the sexes.

If 8: add Kool & The Gang

If 9: add the B-52s

If 10: add Joy Division/New Order

Now, everybody should be happy.

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The rest of the nominees:

11. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
12. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
13. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
14. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
15. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
16. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
17. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
18. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
19. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
20. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
21. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would definitely be more inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
22. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is very important to the younger generation.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12/31/2020 @ 09:44am

Here are my top 7 choices of inductees from my list:

1. Tina Turner (solo)
2. Sade
3. Carly Simon
4. Pat Benatar
5. The Bangles
6. Duran Duran (Including touring members- Dawne Adams, Anna Ross and Dom Brown)
7. Jethro Tull

In my honest opinion, such an induction, would definitely change preconceptions about the Rock Hall being chauvinistic and misogynistic and help to create a little more parity between the sexes.

If 8: add Kool & The Gang

If 9: add the B-52s

If 10: add Joy Division/New Order

Now, everybody should be happy.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12/31/2020 @ 10:04am

Here are my top 7 choices from my list:

1. Tina Turner (solo)
2. Sade
3. Carly Simon
4. Pat Benatar
5. The Bangles
6. Duran Duran (Including touring members- Anna Ross and Dominic Brown)- now established precedent: see "The Cure's 2019 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction."
7. Jethro Tull

In my honest opinion, such an induction, would definitely change preconceptions about the Rock Hall being chauvinistic and misogynistic and help to create a little more parity between the sexes.

If 8: add Kool & The Gang

If 9: add the B-52s

If 10: add Joy Division/New Order

Now, everybody should be happy.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12/31/2020 @ 10:19am

New Year resolutions for the Rock Hall:

If an eligible act have the most votes on the kiosk, then he, she, or they must be nominated as a MANDATE INCLUSION. No more rigging and there are NO GOOD REASONS to omit an act that have the highest demands from the general public - It's a BAD BUSINESS DECISION!

If a nominee have the most votes on the online fan ballot, then he, she or they must be inducted as a MANDATE INCLUSION. No more rigging and there are NO GOOD REASONS to omit a nominee that have the highest demands from the general public - It's a BAD BUSINESS DECISION!

Consumerism matters first and foremost! It should come first, needs to come first, and always comes first. The Hall is an amusement attraction that was built for the MASSES, NOT a sacred political building for the media shills like it's the White House. With the class of 2020 being a commercial failure, they need to restore their business integrity or it'll suffer financially like it's happening to major sports leagues and Hollywood.

Both Motley Crue and Dave Matthews band deserve better, especially their fans.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/31/2020 @ 11:06am

As much as a lot of fans wanted acts from the genres like Hard/Metal, Prog & New Wave getting nominated & inducted, i really see most expectations like Duran Duran, Devo, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy & Motley Crue getting the nod eventually, as l don't see all of the artists from those genres getting the honor anytime soon. I've been seeing a lot of purists taking the Dave Matthews Band snub very seriously, i would have to say they should wait a few more years because artists like Foo Fighters & Jay - Z are locks for class of 2021. So my predictions for the nominations & inductions for this upcoming class are going to be like this.

Nominees:
Kate Bush
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go's - Go's
The Jam
Jay - Z
Judas Priest
Joy Division/New Order
Kraftwerk
Lenny Kravitz
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Television
Tina Turner
War

Class of 2021 inductees:
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
Jay - Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Television
Tina Turner

Award For Musicial Excellence:
Todd Rundgren

Special Guests/Presenters:
John Frusciante presenting Duran Duran
Paul McCartney presenting Foo Fighters
J. Cole presenting Jay - Z
Dave Mustaine presenting Judas Priest
Gary Numan presenting Kraftwerk
Michael Stipe presenting Television
Oprah Winfrey presenting Tina Turner
Jeff Lynne presenting Todd Rundgren

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Thursday, 12/31/2020 @ 12:06pm

So, it seems like getting acts with Diamond albums is a priority for the hall lately. In the most recent classes, here are the acts with diamond albums:

Doobie Brothers
Whitney Houston
Def Leppard
Bon Jovi
Tupac
Journey
Pearl Jam
Steve Miller
Green Day
Nirvana

So you have to go back to 2013 to find an inductee without a diamond album.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/31/2020 @ 23:51pm

Follower,

Happy New Year!

Anyway, from looking at that list that have achieved above 10 million, Garth Brooks (lol The Dude is gonna have a laugh on that one), Carole King, Patsy Cline, Shania Twain, Alanis Morissette (who I don't like, but I digress), and Boston are the ones I feel have the most realistic chances.

From least to most likely:
Garth Brooks
Shania Twain
Alanis Morissette
Patsy Cline
Carole King (actually was nominated)
Boston

The Dude, this is your specialty can you throw in some info?

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 03:00am

So when are the nominees being announced?

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 04:12am

THE DARK HORSE CANDIDATES FOR THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Buddy Rich
Phil Ochs
John Prine
Judy Collins
Billy Preston
Gil Scott-Heron
Todd Rundgren
Warren Zevon
Captain Beefheart
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
The Kingston Trio
Peter, Paul and Mary
John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers
Johnny Burnette and the Rock 'N Roll Trio

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 04:36am

The nominees will be announced in February.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 07:12am

@ Plebian

Boston, Alanis Morissette, Carole King have the best shots of getting inducted years from now. The other half on the other hand won't be easy due to the country bias and tokenism. Outkast also have a diamond album too.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 07:51am

How Todd Rundgren isn't already in is a travesty. The longer his omission continues the more irrelevant the honor becomes.....that being said here is my wish list.
Todd Rundgren
Joe Cocker
John Waite
The Go-Go's
New Kids On The Block
The Smiths
Tim Finn
Grey Eye Glances

Posted by Dan G on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 08:45am

Best wishes to all on a Happy (and safe) New Year & a much better 2021!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 09:13am

Paul in KY,

Happy New Year.
Happy New Decade.
Welcome to the first day of the third decade of the 21st century.
Happy New Astrological and Astronomical Age.
Welcome to the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.

Speaking of which we should all listen to 'Aquarius' today!

Well, what do you think.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 09:46am

Happy new year all! I would say its the second year of the 2020s though. And my music of choice right now is ZZ Top

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 11:21am

Happy New Year all!

Updating my predictions for the new year. These might be my final set, but I reserve the right to update later in the month.

16 NOMINEES
1. Bad Company (Eligible since 1999, First Nomination)
2. Cher (Eligible since 1999, First Nomination)
3. Duran Duran (Eligible since 2006, First Nomination)
4. Foo Fighters (First Year Eligible)
5. The Go-Go's (Eligible Since 2005, First Nomination)
6. Jay-Z (First Year Eligible)
7. Jethro Tull (Eligible Since 1993, First Nomination)
8. Judas Priest (Eligible Since 1999, Third Nomination)
9. Kool & The Gang (Eligible Since 1994, First Nomination)
10. Kraftwerk (Eligible Since 1995, Seventh Nomination)
11. Pat Benatar (Eligible Since 1999, Second Nomination)
12. Rage Against the Machine (Eligible Since 2017, Third Nomination)
13. Rufus w/ Chaka Khan (Eligible Since 1999, Fifth Nomination/Seventh Including Chaka Khan Solo)
14. Soundgarden (Eligible Since 2011, Second Nomination)
15. Todd Rundgren (Eligible Since 1995, Third Nomination)
16. Toots & the Maytals (Eligible Since 1988, First Nomination)

6 INDUCTEES
1. Bad Company
2. Duran Duran
3. The Go-Go's
4. Jay-Z
5. Pat Benatar
6. Rage Against the Machine

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Todd Rundgren

EARLY INFLUENCE
Big Mama Thornton

Posted by RG on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 11:57am

So one month left now right?

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 13:17pm

Garrus -

Roughly? We don't know.

We know that the committee is meeting in late January, and that ballots are being sent out at the end of February. So any time in the month of February is possible for an announcement.

Posted by RG on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 15:09pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01/1/2021 @ 18:23pm

Nick,

I will finish reviews of your installments so far. At #41 you have the Replacements. I like some stuff from the Replacements. I own a few of their early tunes like Can't Hardly Wait. The Replacements are the sum up of rock and roll: young, reckless, rebellious, and totally chaotic. Even after signing to Sire Records and releasing their major label debut, they messed up their pathway to stardom due to the band members' constant substance abuse issues that included sloppy alcohol-induced performances. I also own the album Don't Tell a Soul. They were previously nominated in 2014. SO it's very likely they'll be nomoinated again. They have importance as alternative rock pioneers. They should re appear on a ballot soon. I'm caught up and ready for the Top 40 of your cool list.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01/2/2021 @ 06:30am

Nick,

Are you sure TLC is deservingly higher than The Replacements and King Crimson? You seem to be sporadic with your placements....

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 01/2/2021 @ 12:11pm

Plebian,
No offense but didn't you rate all the performers inducted into the Rock Hall a few weeks ago? Isn't that way more subjective, even if it's largely based on personal taste?

My rankings are who I think are the biggest priorities for induction and not necessarily based on my musical preferences. I make that clear in the Introduction to the series that it's not I want per say. And the placements aren't sporadic but very calculated. When you see the Project conclude at the end of the month, you'll probably see my motives for the rankings. I won't spoil anything in the meantime but some will like it and others....probably not so much. You can't please everybody.

And TLC is absolutely deserving of their spot and I stand by it. They are #42 on my list and The Replacements are #41. King Crimson, who I respect more than like, should be in the conversation more but I also make a few points that probably hurts their chances (e.g., few recognizable songs, commercial success). My rankings don't necessarily matter as much as I think it's more important for these artists to be discussed in the first place. That's really what matters because so many of them are often excluded or forgotten.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 01/2/2021 @ 12:40pm

Fair enough, I can see why. Lists like this (including mine) tend to give me eyebrows.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 01/2/2021 @ 13:52pm

Also I like TLC, so no hard feelings. Though I think you missed an opportunity in a small joke that they are confused with the channel TLC lol.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 01/2/2021 @ 13:58pm

Next installment of the 'Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project' is now published: #40-31

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject40-31

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 01/2/2021 @ 16:22pm

Nick,

Great post! This is where things really start getting good. From my list predicting what your top 40 would be, I got 8/10 this round, just missing Sheryl Crow and Dionne Warwick. I wasn't expecting Sheryl Crow, but come to think of it yeah, she definitely should and will be considered in the future. Dionne Warwick was I think the last artist that I omitted when making that prediction, so I'm not at all surprised to be wrong there. I also love how you brought up Dionne Warwick's Twitter account, I've been losing my mind over that since it started lmao.

Taking out two artists since I missed Crow and Warwick (Barry White and Procol Harum), here are the artists that I'm expecting for your top 30:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Beck
Big Star
Carole King
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Gram Parsons
Iron Maiden
Jethro Tull
Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Kool & the Gang
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Mariah Carey
Outkast
Pat Benatar
Pixies
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
Willie Nelson

Not comfortable attempting to guess the order just yet. Maybe for the Top 20.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 01/2/2021 @ 17:00pm

Nick,

Thank you for your great write up about Carly Simon's baffling omission in your latest installment of the "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project: # 40- 31."

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/2/2021 @ 23:13pm

Thank you, Enig. Personally, I go by 2020 - 2029 as the 'decade'. Understand that is a minority opinion.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 01/3/2021 @ 08:46am

Paul,

Not an unpopular opinion at all, most people define the decade as 20-29.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 01/3/2021 @ 10:28am

Hey guys let's share our favorite Rock Hall moments!

I'll go first

-Rush in 2013 ceremony
-Stevie Wonder takes off his glasses at his induction in 1989
-The original KISS members reunite once more in 2014
-Tom Morello's speech for The Clash in 2003
-Crossroads finale in 2013
-Bill Withers mustering enough willpower to sing on stage for the first time in 2015
-Stevie Ray Vaughan's brother inducts him in 2015
-Green Day stealing the 2015 show
-Ringo finishing off the 2015 ceremony
-All The Young Dudes finale for 2019
-Trent's speech for 2020
-Marc Bolan's son accepting for T.Rex in 2020

I'm not adding Steve Miller's rant as that's seen as a very miserable moment for both Hall Watchers and the Hall itself (I'm a very neutral person so bare with me)

RG, Nick, Enig, Ben, Will N., The Dude, K-Dawg, Michael W., and joker

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 01/3/2021 @ 12:05pm

Plebian, I'm not really a Hall Watcher or a Hall fan, so I have no problem saying the Steve Miller rant is my absolute favorite Hall moment. Nothing beats someone with the guts to stand up to the Hall and give them exactly what they deserve with both barrels!!

Posted by joker on Sunday, 01/3/2021 @ 12:48pm

Nick,
I just checked out your most recent listing and I am glad you have included The Commodores, who's bandwagon I have been aboard for a few years now. Your great writeup on Dolly Parton is excellent and most informative, but I would like to see Willie Nelson get a nomination first. It appears that with only 30 positions left, there may be some omissions of some deserving artists as I am taking a look at RG's predictions of your upcoming 30. At least a few of the bands/artists that I have rated highly myself may not make your list. I would hope that The Guess Who would make it on your next installment in the 20's, but at this point that seems unlikely, if they have not been included so far. There are too many excellent acts left and probably not enough slots for everybody.. Anyway, the Final 30 should be interesting..

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 01/3/2021 @ 13:31pm

So what about Todd Rundgren this year. After being nominated two consecutive years and not getting in, you think they'll just induct him as a non-performer, for his work as a producer.

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 01/3/2021 @ 14:55pm

And here goes:

Steve Winwood - Solo career was more popular than his work with Traffic and musically solid

Tina Turner - Women and 80s solo performers who used to be with groups are becoming a trend. And really needs to be in on her own considering the abuse by Ike.

Jethro Tull - The last great 70s prog band to not at least be nominated.

The Go-Gos - They have buzz this year, and let's not forget, "Beauty And The Beat" is in Rolling Stone's top 500 albums.

Kraftwerk - They will never, and should never, stop nominating them until they get in.

Pat Benatar - Female. Hard Rock. Almost got in last year. A no-brainer that she'll get a second chance this year.

Jay-Z - Influential hip hop artist who becomes eligible this year. 'Nuff said.

Smashing Pumpkins - The question is why this Influential grunge era band hasn't already been nominated.

Beck - I really thought he'd get in his first year of eligibility as acclaimed as he is, but he too much cred to be snubbed for very long.

Oasis - I keep forgetting "Whats The Story Morning Glory " is fairly high up and that Top 500 list, so I think they'll keep trying with these guys.

Carpenters - Okay, this one may be a stretch but stranger things have happened. This pop duo are considered more 'cool' now than they were when they were 70s hit makers. And the hall does wants more women artists.

The Runaways - Funny how Joan Jett's original band never seems to come up. But they click the boxes. Seminal punk influence. Female. One member already in.

Soundgarden - Need a grunge band and they're next.

Foo Fighters - I don't think they really deserve a FYE nom, but Dave Grohl is pretty powerful on the nominating committee.

Mariah Carey - The obvious choice for next to fill the Whitney Houston spot.

Motorhead - They always find someone fairly obscure and they've been nominated before.

John Prine: Lots of attention focused on him after his death, and he is deserving.

Who will get in:

Jethro Tull
Pat Benatar
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Beck
The Go-Gos

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 01/3/2021 @ 15:33pm

Will also get in: Todd Rundgren as a non performer.

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 01/3/2021 @ 15:38pm

Wow, thanks everyone!

RG,
Crow just strikes me as one of those names that will pop on a ballot anytime now. She's simply too well-connected to the "right" people, has too many hits and a big-enough household name that the nominating committee can't ignore for too much longer. It's shocking she's not getting more Rock Hall buzz.

And I had to put Dionne Warwick somewhere because she's too important to the development of pop and soul. I love her twitter account and it's been giving me life for the last month or so. I'm still holding off revealing the other 30, but it will be interesting how others react to it.

Enig,
Thanks! I knew you'd like me selecting Carly Simon. I love her and she's incredibly talented artist. She should've been inducted at least a decade ago.

Will N,
Ironically, I was the most nervous publishing the Dolly Parton write-up from the ten. I was unsure if I was doing her justice so that actually means a lot to me. Her write-up took longer to write and edit than the other 9 in that installment combined….seriously. And the Commodores are fantastic. I really believe they're the only R&B band/group I legitimately believe could get inducted FYN.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 01/3/2021 @ 21:46pm

Catching up on the last two installments of Nick's Prospects List

#50-41

Not a lot here that I'm personally a fan of, but plenty of artists that deserve the recognition. King Crimson and Dick Dale have been discussed here ad nauseam, but some of the others don't get mentioned very often. War seems to have been forgotten after they had their brief run of nominations but I'd like to see them back on the ballot. Oasis deserves their placement on your list, though if they were as great as they THINK they are, they'd have been FYE inductees. TLC and the Replacements could easily have been higher on the list without any complaint from me.

#40-31

Glad to see Sheryl Crow make the list. Not the biggest star by any stretch but deserves more discussion than she receives. I'd say Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson are the country artists most likely to score a nomination, and I'd be in favor of both. I predicted Kool & the Gang to get a nom this year, but I could easily see that spot going to the Commodores as well. I'm all for the Monkees and Motorhead getting noms, but I'm not as high on the Go-Go's as a lot of others on this site are. There are quite a few other artists who I'd rather see get in before them. I'd like to see them considered eventually though.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 01/4/2021 @ 10:11am

Plebian,

My absolute hands-down favorite moment at any induction ceremony was Prince's solo on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" in 2004. It was one of those things that takes someone you already highly respected and just elevated them through the stratosphere. It reminded me of when Aretha Franklin filled in at the Grammys for opera singer Luciano Pavarotti at the last minute and absolutely killed it. Just a legendary moment.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 01/4/2021 @ 11:28am

My ideal would be:

The Seekers
Janis Ian
Tina Turner
B-52's
Pixies
Outkast

though I can't see more than one or two of those being fulfilled alas.

Posted by GRAB on Monday, 01/4/2021 @ 12:06pm

My predicted class now:

Smashing Pumpkins
RATM
Jay-Z
Pat Benatar
The Go-Go's
Kraftwerk

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 01/4/2021 @ 19:36pm

1. Bryan Adams
2. Kenny Loggins
3. Motley Crue
4. Poison
5. Soundgarden
6. Alice in Chains
7. Stone Temple Pilots
8. The Black Crowes
9. Collective Soul
10. The Smashing Pumpkins
11. Foo Fighters
12. Ozzy Osbourne "solo career"
13. Alanis Morissette
14. Sheryl Crow
15. Korn
16. Deftones
17. Marilyn Manson
18. White Zombie
19. Tool
20. "Start Putting the Eagles in for their solo careers you did it for the Beatles."

Posted by Christopher on Tuesday, 01/5/2021 @ 01:16am

Nick,

I'm checking out your most recent installment. We have cracked the Top 40. I am glad you included Sheryl Crow. I agree she is the most commercially successful female rock star of the 1990s with some great music. I'm not a huge fan but I own some of her stuff.
Continuing on from Stevie Nicks, Heart's Wilson sisters among others, Crow carried the torch as the main mainstream female rocker well into the 2000s. She's also well-liked by critics true, But Crow has the necessary industry respect that often propels artists into the Rock Hall. It helps that she's universally well-liked and lots of people like Crow and her music. Crow has worked with so many musicians over the years, many of whom are already inducted into the Rock Hall. I don't think you mentioned it but she dated Eric Clapton for awhile. She played on 1 or 2 of the Crossroads festivals. Sheryl Crow has appeared at several Rock Hall ceremonies for a long time.
Dolly Parton is a great choice, She is one of the more likely nominees from Country music. She is certainly a country legend. but she crossed over to the pop charts in the mid 1970s with the songs Jolene and I Will Always Love You. She is an icon.
I'm glad you have the Commodores on your list. The Commodores kept Motown going in the 1970s and 80s. They have landmark Funk tunes like Brick House and Too Hot Ta Trot. " But hey the Commodores also embraced other genres and styles including rock, pop and adult contemporary. Ironically, their hits came with the softer ballads penned by band member Lionel Richie like Easy and Three Times a Lady.The Commodores is also the Spring board for Richie who would embark on a solo career and become one of the biggest superstars of the 80s. Their bandwagon is one I support for awhile. They haven't made it to a prediction list for me yet. That's because of the very limited amount of Old R&b acts on recent ballots. The Hall has stop being hung up on Rufus so much. Rufus is fine but that seems to block out a great act like the Commodores

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01/5/2021 @ 07:16am

Maybe it's because I have some rockist tendencies, but I don't really get why Dolly Parton should be inducted other than "she has every other award there is" and he wide appeal. She's not rock, she's country.

(Side note: While I do accept the idea of Hip-Hop in the Hall, I think only the acts that have significant Impact, Influence, and/or Innovation belong in. And besides, if Rock and Roll is Chuck Berry, LL Cool J is more Chuck Berry than Kraftwerk.)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/5/2021 @ 10:13am

Follower,
I think I made it pretty clear why Parton should be included beyond the points you mentioned. She was one of the first country stars to cross over to the mainstream pop charts and that subsequently led to more country artists to have pop success. Country (and western) music was one of the main influences on rock

As I mentioned too, I was very picky with the country artists who should be considered for my project. They had to have a 'crossover' moment and/or impacted rock directly. Parton is certainly one of those artists who should be considered. Pop music is so interwoven within the Rock and Roll history that the lines so blurred (look at the inductions of Bobby Darin and Brenda Lee [among others] as examples). If you look at Alex Voltaire's recently updated list from last month, he listed Parton amongst the top dozen of all Rock Hall prospects. So I'm not alone in thinking she's Rock Hall worthy (even if I ranked her lower and wasn't as generous; top-40 is good in an amazingly competitive field of prospective candidates). I'm more inclusive in who should be considered for the Rock Hall, but it's more because its history is so complex and debated. I believe there's room for everyone and certainly Parton.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 01/5/2021 @ 11:15am

I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think she's really rock enough. Maybe it's because Country predates Rock, but then again Pop does too. Maybe it's just a "me" thing, but I can't really associate her with Rock, even if she had crossover moments or influences. (Maybe a new category separate from Early Influences called Modern Influences could work? It would be perfect for her, Garth Brooks, and of course Kraftwerk. But I can see that being a bit misused.)

Oddly enough, I'm ok with Willie Nelson. (Whom I hope is going to be on your list!)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/5/2021 @ 12:37pm

On an unrelated note: I do agree the The Commodores being inducted before Lionel Richie makes the case for the latter stronger.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/5/2021 @ 12:39pm

Nick.
To continue with the reviews of your latest installment. Your pick of Dionne Warwick is terrific. Yeah, due to her connections with Burt Bacharach and Hal David she is often considered easy listening. But I want to point out that Burt Bacharach and Hal David themselves are inductees in one of the Non musician categories I recall. Dionne Warwick had huge hits in the 1960s like Walk on By and I say a Little Prayer. You made a good point that Dusty Springfield has been inducted for over 20 years but Dionne Warwick is Not. I had her one of my prediction lists but took her off for priorities. But she should be nominated very soon,
Now the Monkees were one of the most commercial successful pop bands of the 1960s. A lot of critics call them a manufactured band for a TV show to have America's answer to the Beatles. They have a bunch of hits everybody knows and loves. Their songs can still be heard on Oldies stations. I used to run to the TV when I was 5-8 years old to watch re runs of the Monkees. But let's face it: The Monkees were never cool or hip—I did eventually outgrow the excitement. But i got good memories of them and many other Americans do. I think they will eventually get a nomination. Also the pick of the Go Gos is very good. They were an important and pioneering band of the 1980s. I remember their debut album Beauty and the Beat album reaching #1. I actually remember the Vacation album right after in 1982. They were one of the biggest bands of the early 80s. Their music videos became huge on MTV. The videos for We Got the Beat, Vacation and Head Over Heels are memorable. Ok Thats it for Now.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01/6/2021 @ 06:04am

Hey Ben,
Thanks for the comments and feedback. Unfortunately, Burt Bacharach and Hal David are not inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 01/6/2021 @ 07:48am

Can we get some prospects for the other categories? I know you (Nick) already did one specifically for producers, so why not some more?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 02:54am

Nick,
I will finish my reviews of your latest installment. As far as Motorhead, I have them on my Current prediction list. I definitely think they are getting a second nomination very soon. Good chance they are nominated again this year.
Carly Simon is one of the essential singer/songwriters of the 1970s. At one point James Taylor and then Cat Stevens were inducted. Carly Simon had a lot of huge hits. I am shocked she is missing. It wasn't until the release of No Secrets (1973) that featured the hit "You're So Vain" that she became a superstar. With one hit after another, she became one of the most consistent stars of the decade. While her popularity slightly declined in the 1980s, she worked on some Jazz projects and things like that and began regularly contributing to movie soundtracks. She wrote and/or performed songs for movies such as The Spy Who Loved Me, Heartburn and The Karate Kid Part II. "Let the River Run" for Working Girl is another known soundtrack song. Carly Simon is very influential. As we approach the Top 30 I will look at RG's predictions for your Top 30.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 06:04am

If the Mötley Crue and Dave Matthews Band fans are planning to breach the Nom Com, so their favorites could be inducted this year as a MANDATE INCLUSION, then that would help the Rock Hall stay relevant. The idiots screwed their consumers over by rigging both the kiosk and online fan ballot.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 10:06am

Great comparison, Dude! Much like the other breach I assume you're referencing, it would be based entirely in disappointment that their "team" lost, baseless conspiracy theories, and misunderstanding of how voting works, and shouldn't be entertained or pandered to by the institution.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 13:15pm

it would be based on the Hall's shitty business moves, tokenism, using political correctness and modern standard as requirements, and not listening to what their consumers want the most. If the kiosk and the online ballot gets rigged again, the next will be another commercial flop.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 13:48pm

Dude, I'm hearing you say that any act that wins the online Hall kiosk vote should be inducted. Is that what you are saying (basically)?

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 14:01pm

Here's all the predictions for the 2021 Rock Hall nominees made by Rock Hall watchers so far and they are:

Charles Crossley Jr.: The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Devo, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, MC5, Motorhead, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Smashing Pumpkins and Tina Turner.

Zoot Marimba: Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, The Monkees, New York Dolls, John Prine, Todd Rundgren, Sonic Youth, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

AlexVoltaire: The B-52's, Mary J. Blige, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, New York Dolls, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Sonic Youth, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

Nick Bambach: The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, Harry Nilsson, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Gil Scott-Heron and Tina Turner.

Jason Voigt: The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, The Guess Who, The J. Geils Band, Jay-Z, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, The Pointer Sisters, John Prine, Todd Rundgren, Carly Simon, The Smiths and George Thorogood & The Destroyers.

Now, Out of all of the predictions made by Rock Hall watchers so far, Which one do you guys think is the most realistic?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 14:04pm

Exactly! As I said before on one of my previous posts.

New Year resolutions for the Rock Hall:

"If an eligible act have the most votes on the kiosk, then he, she, or they must be nominated as a MANDATE INCLUSION. No more rigging and there are NO GOOD REASONS to omit an act that have the highest demands from the general public - It's a BAD BUSINESS DECISION!"

"If a nominee have the most votes on the online fan ballot, then he, she or they must be inducted as a MANDATE INCLUSION. No more rigging and there are NO GOOD REASONS to omit a nominee that have the highest demands from the general public - It's a BAD BUSINESS DECISION! "

"Consumerism matters first and foremost! It should come first, needs to come first, and always comes first. The Hall is an amusement attraction that was built for the MASSES, NOT a sacred political building for the media shills like it's the White House. With the class of 2020 being a commercial failure, they need to restore their business integrity or it'll suffer financially like it's happening to major sports leagues and Hollywood."

"Both Motley Crue and Dave Matthews band deserve better, especially their fans."

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 14:23pm

I assume that is what he is trying to say. Again, you know the Rock Hall does not generate many views compared to many award shows and ceremonies right? Even without pandemic, they probably would generate about average in views. Another thing, Motley Crue is banned remember?

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 14:26pm

@ Plebian

"Banning" certain eligible acts don't make any financial and commercial difference. It turns consumers off to something else, causing boycotts, alienations and frustrations. The Rock Hall wasn't established as a moral institute. There are inductees who had done terrible things and weren't judged by their behaviors or the severity of their criminal records weighed against their contributions to music. Look at Sid Vicious; he killed his girlfriend and is in along with the rest of the Sex Pistols.

This is not The Hall of Social Justice and Political Corrects. If you care about moralism so much, then you should be a Nobel Peace Prize Watcher instead.

Get woke, go broke!

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 14:54pm

The Dude,

So do you have anything new to contribute to the conversation on this topic? Because you keep posting the same rant and tired catchphrases over and over again and it's frankly getting pretty annoying in an "Old Man Yells at Cloud" kind of way. Everyone here knows how you feel on the topics of fan engagement and political correctness. It doesn't require a post every time it pops into your head.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 15:22pm

There is not annoying about telling the truth. Even if the Hall grow some balls and induct Motley and DMB for the next class as a mandate inclusion, I'll keep warning you guys about bad business decisions and other realities - they could do it again.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 15:43pm

There is nothing annoying about telling the truth. Even if the Hall grow some balls and induct Motley and DMB for the next class as a mandate inclusion, I'll keep warning you guys about bad business decisions and other realities - they could do it again.

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 15:45pm

The Dude,

I have to say I completely disagree. The Hall has no mandate to nominate or induct anyone based on who wins the fan vote at the kiosk or online. The online vote is tabulated as part of the process, so fans have a voice that way, but their voice isn't gospel, nor should it be. No other Hall of Fame dictates who gets inducted based on fan preference and very few even give the fans as much input as the Rock Hall does. I'm a pretty big DMB fan and I'd have liked to see them get in, but I have no problem with them not being inducted because they simply didn't have the votes. There's always another year. Or maybe the year after. Or whenever.

And the kiosk is just a fun activity for people who visit. Nothing more. Remember that voters at the kiosk have had artists like Freddie Mercury (solo) rated very highly. I don't think there's really much argument to have him inducted for his solo career and it speaks to the level of expertise of that aggregate vote. The nominating committee can certainly take the votes at the kiosk under advisement, but if they don't feel the top vote getter is worthy then so be it. As I look at all the projections from Hall Watchers and regular posters, very few have the Crue on their lists, even though I believe they were leading the kiosk again. So it's not just the nominating committee that doesn't think they're deserving at this point.

And as far as attendance goes, it's obviously hard to judge if it was affected or not because of COVID. I can tell you I was supposed to go to the induction ceremony last year, but obviously never visited at all due to COVID. I honestly don't think THAT many people know who gets inducted in any given year. Yes those of us who frequent this site can all list off the inaugural class in 1986 because that's our thing. But the vast majority of people out there couldn't tell who was inducted last year, let alone who was snubbed. Sure the fraction of DMB or Crue diehards who pay attention might be a little pissed, but most people just go the the Hall because they think it's cool or fun or whatever.

In the end, it's all just supposed to be a fun way to explore the history and power of music and highlight the best that music has to offer. Nothing to get so worked up about.

Posted by MIchael W on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 18:03pm

"The Hall has no mandate to nominate or induct anyone based on who wins the fan vote at the kiosk or online. The online vote is tabulated as part of the process, so fans have a voice that way, but their voice isn't gospel, nor should it be."

Actually, they do now, and it's now possible some of the actual fan ballot winners were grandfathered in to avoid backlash from fans. Though, Janet Jackson was never number one on the ballot, but she was mandate inclusion simply because she was easy enough to capitalize the Hall other than for diversity and adding more appealment for their demographics. Both Motley and DMB would capitalize greatly if they were in right now.

"And the kiosk is just a fun activity for people who visit."

It's more than that. The kiosk was made to ask guests who they want the most as a nominee and embrace the demand - NOT "suggest."

"The nominating committee can certainly take the votes at the kiosk under advisement, but if they don't feel the top vote getter is worthy then so be it."

There are NO GOOD REASONS to omit an act that consumers want the most. You don't privately and secretly make any sorry @ss excuses when you run certain businesses like the Hall. If you ignore them, you go broke, and that's why the class of 2020 was a commercial failure.

"Sure the fraction of DMB or Crue diehards who pay attention might be a little pissed, but most people just go the the Hall because they think it's cool or fun or whatever."

"In the end, it's all just supposed to be a fun way to explore the history and power of music and highlight the best that music has to offer. Nothing to get so worked up about."

While the Hall is an amusement attraction, most people go there for nostalgia to see their inducted favorites they hear on terrestrial radio with three "hits" or more regularly and that's it. They don't care about music history and would see education as a waste of time. It has the word "fame" on the Hall's name, not the word "niche."

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 18:32pm

Michael W,

You hit the nail on the head.

I've decided that this argument is no longer worth having, though. The Dude is clearly never going to be convinced that he's wrong. No matter how much effort we put into carefully explaining to him that his ridiculous takes are his personal opinion and not immutable facts, he will continue to present his logical leaps as holy gospel that we're all just too ignorant to believe. Best to just ignore these posts from now on.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 19:50pm

Business and consumerism are objective, not the opposite. If the Hall ever gets shut down due to low attendances other than not listening to the general public, you'll regret for being apologists. Both the kiosk and online fan ballot are RIGGED. R-I-G-G-E-D.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 21:19pm

Rigging the kiosk and online fan ballot = No money, no crowds, no ratings, boycotts, alienation, fan frustrations.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 21:35pm

I have a funny/gut feeling that these could be the 2021 nominees when they're announced next month and they are:

The B-52's (First Nomination)
Pat Benatar (Second Nomination)
Dave Matthews Band (Second Nomination)
Devo (Second Nomination)
Eurythmics (Second Nomination)
Foo Fighters (First Year Eligible)
Iron Maiden (First Nomination)
Jay-Z (First Year Eligible)
Jethro Tull (First Nomination)
Kraftwerk (Seventh Nomination)
MC5 (Sixth Nomination)
Rage Against The Machine (Third Nomination)
Rufus With Chaka Khan (Fifth Nomination/Seventh Including Chaka Khan Solo)
Todd Rundgren (Third Nomination)
Thin Lizzy (Second Nomination)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/7/2021 @ 22:10pm

richie,

Your predicted ballot, with all due respect, seems a bit, er, lazy, with only 5 first-time nominees (3 FYE) out of 16; if the Hall is serious about turning around their stale image or whatever, it may be best to at least give MC5 and Rufus/CK a rest for awhile...

And as long-deserving as Kraftwerk and Todd Rundgren are, they likely won't make the inductee cut if they appear on the ballot again...

Posted by Mr. XFL on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 02:06am

The Dude
You probably have some good points. I remember Greg Harris the RRHOF President talking about the nominees and selections of the class you are talking about. He talked about bringing a list of the Top Kiosk vote getters to the Committee. Harris explained that it was another tool or information the Committee could examine and use in determining the final ballot. No doubt Motley Crue was not nominated as the Committee decided on Dave Matthews Band (DMB). In the Committee's defense, DMB usually finished in the Top 5 at the Kiosk and a very worthy choice. To your point, 2 popular bands DMB and Motley Crue were not inducted. Motley Crue was cruelly passed over and DMB was not inducted. In the future, they probably should weight the Kiosk representative 5 or 10 votes maybe higher. I think the best suggestion is to give a nominated group who doesn't receive induction 5 votes. 1 nomination=5 votes. So if you are like J. Geils Band and LL Cool J and these other groups with 5 or 6 nominations...Then you receive nomination again. You would have say 6 nominations x5 votes for every nomination equals 30 votes right off the top. Before the voting starts. It would give multiple nominees a deserving boost and maybe push them over the threshold of Induction. Final Example Chic- 11 nominations x 5 votes equals 55 votes. That's a strong head start.
KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 05:18am

OK, so what if (due to either some kind of intense online campaign by lulz trolls or deluded fans) an act that has absolutely no business being in the Hall gets to that number 1 spot? Put em in anyway?

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 06:46am

The Dude,

I'm not trying to shout you down or invalidate your opinion, just stating mine and providing supporting arguments for it.

Paul in KY makes a good point about people trolling the system. I remember hearing about one year on American Idol where some kid who was terrible kept getting voted through because people were trolling the voting. I think he made it to the finals or something. The Internet is a stupid place. What's to stop a bunch of idiots from deciding to get together and vote Right Said Fred to the top of the list as a joke? What then?

In the end, it won't make much of a difference to the bottom line. Both Motley Crue and Dave Matthews Band will probably eventually be inducted. The Rock Hall isn't going away because a few people get pissed off. Just as Chick-Fil-A isn't going away just because some people boycott over the owner's views and the NFL isn't going away just because some people boycott over kneeling. Everything's going to be OK.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 08:24am

Do you really think their fans are trolling the system? Motley Crue sold over 100 million copies worldwide, and have eight "hit" radio staples; and Dave Matthews Band had seven number one albums on the Billboard 200 with some staples. Neither of those bands aren't a flash-in-pan, and never will be. There would be no Guns N Roses, Bon Jovi, the Post-High N Dry Def Leppard and the Black Album-era Metallica if it weren't for Motley, and John Mayer won't be doing his thing if it weren't for DMB - They're not Warrant and Air Supply.

People want to see newer additions that would make themselves feel good. Unless the they act quick and actually listen, The Hall is still trouble cause they pissed off their consumers. Just as Disney is because they ruined Star Wars and Marvel with woke politics.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 09:17am

You have misrepresented what I said. Motley Crue and DMB won their respective polls fairly due to their fan bases, not because of trolls. I'm asking if the winner of those polls gets a mandated nomination or induction, what happens if/when someone who isn't nearly as qualified as those two bands wins one of the polls? If trolls decide to make some joke band take the top spot or something? If you make it a permanent thing, then you have to follow through even if the results are not to your liking or to the standards that the Hall wants to represent. That seems like a far worse option than making fans wait a few years for their favorites to be inducted.

I get your point about appeasing fans, but I'd rather see the most deserving artists get inducted (not that that always happens either). The system isn't perfect by any stretch, but nothing created and run by humans is. I'd rather see the Hall try to maintain whatever standards it purports to uphold than pander to the masses just so they don't lose a couple bucks and make a few people upset. People are always going to get upset at something. It's what we do best.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 10:40am

Let's try something with less controversy and more fun.

I'm assuming most of the regulars here enjoy live music and have seen a decent amount of concerts. What Rock Hall inductees have you NOT seen live that you most wish you would have seen or most hope to see in the future if possible?

I'll start with Led Zeppelin. I've never seen Jimmy Page perform live and I know I'd be completely hypnotized watching him play. The rest of the band ain't bad either. I'd love to have been born about 10 years earlier so I could have seen them live.

I'd also wish I'd seen R.E.M. but they toured so rarely I never got the chance. Since I've been old enough to go to concerts, they're probably my favorite band that was around that I never got to see live.

Lastly, I think a James Brown show in the late 60's early 70's would've been one of the most amazing things I could ever see. Being in those crowds would be an awesome experience for sure.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 10:57am

If it's an act that is largely seen as flash-in-a-pan with only one "hit" radio song/none, and made no impact and influences who failed to achieve pure commercial success, then that's the only acceptable way to rig the kiosk and fan ballot.

It's possible the damage had already been done, if Motley and DMB gets inducted a few years from now, not all of their fans would be happy; They would complain how postmature and overdue it was, saying stuff like like "You idiots shoulda done it sooner!"

You aren't supposed to have a mindset when it comes to popularity in certain businesses. You need to give what the public wants in a snappy way.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 11:20am

Dude, agree the Motley Cruers & Dave Mathews fans aren't trolls, but if you do have a hard rule that number 1 goes in, then it can be abused by the legions of Right Said Fred fans (I was think more The Archies, but Right Said Fred is another good one).

I guess what you are saying is that if number 1 is some act that would be in a Hall conversation, then induct them for finishing number 1.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 11:46am

Michael,

Would have loved to see the Stones circa 1969 and Sly and the Family Stone about 1972 and The Killer when he was young & crazy (as opposed to now being old and crazy).

Big Mama Thornton would have been a trip. Also Nina Simone.

Lots, lots more I would have liked to see.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 11:56am

Nominating and inducting acts that the public want the most Is NOT an abuse, it's consumerism. Just because they care about what they want, doesn't mean they're wrong. It's not like the Crue and DMB fans are trying to be; they just want them in cause those bands matter to them the most.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 12:26pm

Paul in KY,

The original Woodstock concert if I had a time machine.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 13:25pm

Any concert on that list of greatest concerts by Rock Hall inductees. Especially the Top 10. I'd also like to have been at the Nirvana Unplugged concert. Or maybe the Clapton one.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 14:34pm

And another thing I wanna say to Michael. Nobody cares if certain acts are seen as joke to the media shills and certain communities. It's the general the public the Hall needs to be afraid of cause they're bigger.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 14:36pm

I asume that the Rock Hall prefers to cater to people with a general interest in music than to people who are fanatic about one particular band.

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 15:30pm

@ The_Claw

That's what the Hall wants you think, but their demographic target are primarily Working Class casual listeners who still listen to terrestrial radio regularly and love music acts with three "hits" or more. They hardly have time to buy and/or stream, so they either tend to drive or work while having something convenient and easy to turn on for music cause they are busy with a lot of things (businesses, families, etc.).

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 22:32pm

Exactly, the target is casual listeners. Not the type who have time to care deeply about which artists have been inducted, and certainly not enough to boycott.

Posted by RG on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 23:03pm

Hey Guys,

I would like to ask the following questions:

Who do you guys think will be this year's The Cure/Depeche Mode?.

Who do you guys think will be this year's Janet Jackson/Whitney Houston?.

Who do you guys think will be this year's Roxy Music/T. Rex?.

Who do you guys think will be this year's Def Leppard/Stevie Nicks/The Zombies/The Doobie Brothers?.

Who do you guys think will be this year's Radiohead/Nine Inch Nails?.

Who do you guys think will be this year's The Notorious B.I.G.?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 23:08pm

If we go by that formula...

Depeche Mode/The Cure= Eurythmics as they are 80s New Wave and are from the UK

Notorious B.I.G.= Jay-Z no brainer

Whitney Houston/Janet Jackson= Tina Turner as inducting the two divas leads to trying to induct the very first and right the wrongs with Ike Turner

T. Rex/ Roxy Music= New York Dolls; They fit that Glam Rock mold, were very influential despite being only relatively popular in their home town, and have upcoming events like the documentary Nick mentioned

Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Doobie Brothers, and The Zombies= Bad Company for being obvious Classic Rock bait

Radiohead and NIN= RATM as being 90s band that should have been FYE and for being those bands that continue to thrive in the millennium (though RATM has decided not to release new material as their last was in 2001)

RG, Michael W., Paul in KY, Ritchie

Your overall thoughts?

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 01/8/2021 @ 23:49pm

Plebian,

I have to absolutely agree with you on all the names that you mentioned (Eurythmics being this year's The Cure/Depeche Mode, Jay-Z being this year's The Notorious B.I.G., Tina Turner being this year's Janet Jackson/Whitney Houston, New York Dolls being this year's Roxy Music/T. Rex, Bad Company being this year's Def Leppard/Stevie Nicks/The Zombies/The Doobie Brothers and Rage Against The Machine being this year's Radiohead/Nine Inch Nails). That's a realistic scenario for this year's inductees that I could actually see it happening this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/9/2021 @ 00:00am

The point made above about the RRHOF wanting to get the big names in points to my occasional theory they might try to throw Mariah Carey in this year, as she's a megastar and could be viewed as the first multimedia pop star of the modern era (90s to present) to cater to the millenials and the next generation. It wouldn't surprise me if she and Jay Z are inducted this year. I do think Ms. Carey needs to wait a year or two, and let Tina Turner, the Go Gos and possibly Cyndi Lauper go ahead, but that's a judgment call based on proper order, not popularity...

If she does go in this year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Britney get nommed in 2024...

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 01/9/2021 @ 02:09am

Hey guys remember that 'second' ceremony the Rock Hall discussed about? Well, I did this thing for fun if it did happen. This covers the side categories like EI and ME and include some 50s and 60s acts to cover the backlog

The performers:
Connie Francis
Link Wray
Dick Dale
Johnny Burnette and the Rock N' Roll Trio
The Marvelettes

ME (include songwriters, sidemen, record executives, and producers):

Todd Rundgren
Sylvia Robinson
The Meters
Don Cornelius

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton

Do you guys have initial thoughts?

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 01/9/2021 @ 20:24pm

"Exactly, the target is casual listeners. Not the type who have time to care deeply about which artists have been inducted, and certainly not enough to boycott."

But the class of 2020 is still a commercial failure. The induction special would get better ratings on first night if Whitney Houston and Biggie were alive now or added DMB as a seventh spot and a mandate inclusion rather than rigging the online fan ballot. If that ain't enough to explain more how it failed, let's look at the rest of the class.

The Doobie Bros: The supposed saving grace from the Hall's view. Though they're one of the those bands who have almost ten "hit" radio songs, but they're kinda a theater level act who kinda never had power staying. Even when Micheal McDonald joined the band, he wasn't commercially successful as AC/DC with Brian Johnson, Van Halen with Sammy Hagar, and Genesis with Phil Collins.

Depeche Mode: They surprisingly - and sadly - don't get much radio play as some of their peers from the New Wave/80's alternative scene. They had to build their own market in the niche to get more than 100 million copies sold worldwide and headline arenas much as they could to find their own success, which is why Iron Maiden is not in yet. Both of them never built their market in the mainstream.

T. Rex: Largely seen as a "One-Hit Wonder" in the States simply because casual listeners only know them for "Bang a Gong (Get It On), and that's it. It's no wonder it took so long for Deep Purple and the Zombies to get in.

Nine Inch Nails: Though they do have a handful of radio "hits." But with the exception of Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam, and DMB, most of the Gen X'ers with a casual taste still see the 90's as a fad, loving the 70's and 80's more. While one could argue the millennials (my cohort) love the 90's more, but for Trent Reznor and the company, they're virtually in the niche market than mainstream. They didn't even get much copies sold as the Doobies and DM. Most casual listeners won't take them seriously cause they're more of a band for journalists like Radiohead, The Velvet Underground, and the Stooges, and industrial music wasn't commercially successful as grunge.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 01/9/2021 @ 21:38pm

RG, The Dude, Michael W. and Will N.,

I would like to ask the following questions:

Who do you guys think will be this year's The Cure/Depeche Mode?.

Who do you guys think will be this year's Janet Jackson/Whitney Houston?.

Who do you guys think will be this year's Roxy Music/T. Rex?.

Who do you guys think will be this year's Def Leppard/Stevie Nicks/The Zombies/The Doobie Brothers?.

Who do you guys think will be this year's Radiohead/Nine Inch Nails?.

Who do you guys think will be this year's The Notorious B.I.G.?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/9/2021 @ 22:02pm

This year's post punk will be The Smiths
This year's female pop star will be Diana Ross
This year's glam rock act will be
This year's rap will be LL Cool J

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 01/9/2021 @ 22:44pm

This year's The Cure/ Depeche Mode: The Smiths or Joy Division/New Order

This year's Janet Jackson/ Whitney Houston: Tina Turner or Mariah Carey

This year's Roxy Music/ T. Rex: New York Dolls or Mott the Hoople

This year's Def Leppard/Stevie Nicks/The Zombies/The Doobie Brothers: Bad Company or Foreigner

This year's Radiohead/Nine Inch Nails: Rage Against the Machine or Smashing Pumpkins

Posted by Greg F. on Saturday, 01/9/2021 @ 23:20pm

This year's The Notorious B.I.G.: Jay-Z, Outkast or LL Cool J

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 01/9/2021 @ 23:23pm

This year's post punk will be The Smiths
This year's female pop star will be Diana Ross
This year's glam rock act will be New York Dolls
This year's rap will be LL Cool J
This year's classic rock will be Bad Company
This year's 90s will be Soundgarden

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 01/9/2021 @ 23:39pm

Plebian, I'm not much for a lot of 50s stuff other than the one hit or oft played songs on oldies stations, but I do think it's imperative that if you're gonna do it like that, Patsy Cline is a glaring omission from the RRHOF even now.

The rest wasn't bad, but I wouldn't really say there's a backlog of 50s to early 60s stuff. Even late 60s is pretty dried up, apart from the Monkees and maybe Tommy James and the Shondells, Grass Roots or Blood Sweat and Tears. (I consider bands like Guess Who and Jethro Tull more enduring, and into the 70s)

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 01/10/2021 @ 03:05am

Richie,
I am figuring that you are asking for induction predictions, since the artists you mention have all been inducted. However, there is no guarantee that one act from each proposed genre will be voted in, but it is a great pattern to follow up on. I will do my best to try and align my predictions accordingly..

The Cure/Depeche Mode->> (Nomination- Kraftwerk - Joy Division/New Order): Induction - The B-52's or The Go-Go's (Toss-up)
Janet Jackson/Whitney Houston>> (Nomination - Tina Turner or Carly Simon): Induction - Pat Benatar/ Neil Giraldo
Roxy Music/T. Rex>>> (Nomination - Kraftwerk, Motorhead and New York Dolls): Induction:(British Classic Rock/Metal) - Judas Priest
Def Leppard/The Doobie Brothers>> (Nominations - Bad Company, The Commodores and The Guess Who): Induction - Jethro Tull
Radiohead/Nine Inch Nails>> (Nomination - Soundgarden, RATM, or Foo Fighters): Induction - Smashing Pumpkins
Notorious BIG>>> (Nomination - OutKast): Induction - Jay Z
_______
(Wild Cards - Willie Nelson, Eurythmics, Devo, Thin Lizzy)
_______
Richie,
I have been meaning to ask you. If you can, are you able to re-post the List of everybody's (FRL) Nominations Lists that you posted about a month ago? I thought that was pretty cool.. Thanks, - Will N.

___

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 01/10/2021 @ 11:49am

My Wishlist for 2021 HOF

The Black Crowes
Soundgarden
Weezer
Foo Fighters
The Jayhawks
Jane's Addiction
Jethro Tull
Bad Company
Judas Priest
Warren Zevon
DMB

Posted by Brian McAdams on Sunday, 01/10/2021 @ 17:43pm

In no particular order, acts I'd like to see nominated

Tina Turner
Sonic Youth
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Slayer
Siouxsie and the Banshees
The Smiths
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk
Joy Division
Pixies
PJ Harvey
Björk
Marilyn Manson
Brian Eno
The B52s

Posted by Blueberry on Sunday, 01/10/2021 @ 18:49pm

Here's the next installment of the 'Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project': #30-21

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject30-21

Posted by Nick on Monday, 01/11/2021 @ 14:24pm

I seriously get the feeling Rage Against The Machine is gonna show up on the ballot. With so much political discourse right now, I would not be surprised they come up to strike and be the highlights of the 2021 class (with Jay-Z of course). Helps that they were nominated before and usually three times is the charm. Anyone get that feeling?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 01/11/2021 @ 14:35pm

Yeah Rage was my final cut when I did my predictions back in October, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they ended up getting a nom. The current political climate could either be a reason they get nominated, if they committee wants to capitalize on what's going on right now, or it could be a reason they get skipped, if the committee decides it doesn't want to be overtly political at this time.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 01/11/2021 @ 16:59pm

NICK
Outstanding work on 30-21. I don't like the Pixies but you did a good write-up on them. Good to see the great Duran Duran, Iron Maiden, and Pat Benatar. I have all 3 on my 2020-2021 Nominees List. Amazing how many Duran Duran songs that are memorable. Come Undone, Hungry Like The Wolf, Notorious, Ordinary World, Planet Earth, Pop Trash Movie, RIO, Serious, etc. Iron Maiden should have been inducted 5 years ago. Wasted Years is my FAV Iron Maiden song. Sustained power and excellence throughout the song. Adrian Smith never receives enough credit as a guitarist. I also love the song Flight Of Icarus. Bruce Dickinson voice soars in that song. Kool & The Gang is a group I've been pushing for maybe 3-5 years. They have the required hit songs that resonate with people. I remember Celebration as a big hit as a young KING. Misled is my FAV song of theirs. Their induction is long overdue. Soundgarden appears to be a group the RRHOF wants inducted. SuperUnknown was a Classic CD. So many great songs. Black Hole Sun, Fell On Black Days, Fourth Of July, Limo Wreck etc. Chris Cornell also has reached a legend status. The outpouring of emotion after Cornell 's death demonstrated this. Can't wait to see The Final 20. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 01/11/2021 @ 17:15pm

Nick,

Your latest installment was right in my wheelhouse, as 7 of the 10 artists you highlighted this time are on my prediction list for this year. The only ones who weren't are Salt-N-Pepa, Willie Nelson, and the Pixies. Salt-N-Pepa will probably have to wait a bit with Jay-Z and Eminem eligible in the next two years and LL Cool J still waiting, but they'll get their shot soon enough. Willie Nelson is tough to predict because it kinda feels like he should have already been considered, so who knows what will happen with him. He is one of the few country artists I'd support for induction though, for the reasons you mentioned. I think the Pixies will definitely get inducted in the near future. It's just a matter of how the nominating committee ranks them against others in their genre, like Sonic Youth and the Smiths. Once one of them goes in, the others seem likely to follow. For the record, they are my favorite of the three but I'd suspect that the Smiths will go in before them.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 01/11/2021 @ 17:32pm

Oops. I was wrong. Iron Maiden was not in my predictions for this year. I went with Judas Priest for one more year instead of Iron Maiden. Maiden's nomination is coming very soon and I could easily be wrong about that one this year. They won't both get noms in the same year though.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 01/11/2021 @ 17:38pm

Nick,

Some great picks in this round! Salt N Pepa was the only one that I didn't call, but I'm thrilled to be wrong, they're pretty high on my personal snub list. Their case is only growing more and more relevant, as sex-positive female rappers have been some of the strongest forces in pop music recently. You can basically draw a direct line from Cardi B & Meghan Thee Stallion to Salt & Pepa.

The rest of your choices are all very deserving. Duran Duran is honestly the artist I'm most comfortable about predicting an induction this year aside from Jay-Z. I'm very confident about their chances.

Predictions for next time (deleting one, The Spinners, since I got Salt N Pepa wrong):

20-11
Bad Company
Beck
Carole King
Eurythmics
Gram Parsons
Jethro Tull
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Smashing Pumpkins
Sonic Youth
Todd Rundgren

10-4
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
LL Cool J
Mariah Carey
Outkast
Rage Against the Machine
The Smiths

Top 3
3. Joy Division/New Order
2. Kraftwerk
1. Tina Turner

Looking forward to seeing more!

Posted by RG on Monday, 01/11/2021 @ 20:33pm

Nick,

Once again, great job, nice picks, and please don't put Kraftwerk at #1!

Also, haven't blink-182 also been in the top five in both years too? And Styx?

(And do include something similar to what Alex did in his original list, where he went over a few honorable mentions and why certain acts weren't included. I want to know if you're petty enough to exclude Ted Nugnet just because of his politics or because you legitimately don't think he is as worthy as the 100.)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/11/2021 @ 21:17pm

Hey Guys,

Who do you guys think will be the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/11/2021 @ 23:00pm

Post Punk: The Smiths
Progressive Rock: Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Classic Rock: Bad Company
Glam Rock: New York Dolls
Women's Pop: Diana Ross
Rap: LL Cool J
Disco: KC and the Sunshine Band
Soul: Lou Rawls
Alternative: Devo
Country: Eddie Rabbit
Folk: Peter, Paul, and Mary
Metal: Motley Crue
Nineties: Soundgarden
Songwriter: Sheryl Crow
World: Sublime
Early Influence: Tommy Johnson
Nonperformer: Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 01/12/2021 @ 15:24pm

Innovator: Peter Frampton

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 01/12/2021 @ 15:43pm

Will N.,

Here's all the predictions for the 2021 nominees by Rock Hall Watchers on this site:

The Dude: Pat Benatar, Boston, Buzzcocks, Mariah Carey, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Mott The Hoople/Ian Hunter, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, The Smiths, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Dionne Warwick.

Michael W.: The B-52's, Bad Company, Beck, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Joe Cocker, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Cyndi Lauper, LL Cool J, Motorhead, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

K-Dawg: Alice In Chains, The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Mariah Carey, The Commodores, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Foreigner, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, The Monkees, Motley Crue, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren, Smashing Pumpkins, Snoop Dogg and Tina Turner.

remy10: The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, New York Dolls, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, The Smiths, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

You: The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, The Commodores, The Go-Go's, The Guess Who, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Joy Division/New Order, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, Willie Nelson, New York Dolls, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Smashing Pumpkins and Soundgarden.

Darren: Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, MC5, Motorhead, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

Steve Z: Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, The Smiths, Soundgarden and Weezer.

Ben: The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, The Guess Who, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Megadeth, Motorhead, Mott The Hoople, John Prine, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Tina Turner.

Ozmeow1900: Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, New York Dolls, OutKast, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Sade, Soundgarden, Tina Turner and Warren Zevon.

Plebian: The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, New York Dolls, John Prine, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

Shrek: Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Fela Kuti, Foo Fighters, Peter Frampton, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, Alanis Morissette, Todd Rundgren and Soundgarden.

Greg F: Big Star, Mariah Carey, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Carole King, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Willie Nelson, New York Dolls, Phish, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Tina Turner.

Paul in KY: Alice In Chains, The B-52's, Beck, Pat Benatar, Mariah Carey, The Commodores, The Dammed, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, Motorhead, OutKast, John Prine, Soundgarden, Tina Turner and Weezer.

Casper: Pat Benatar, Bjork, Daft Punk, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Joy Division/New Order, King Crimson, Kraftwerk, MC5, Harry Nilsson, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Soundgarden and Weezer.

John Mangee: The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Devo, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, The Guess Who, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Joy Division/New Order, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, John Prine, Rage Against The Machine and Thin Lizzy.

RG: Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Cher, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Soundgarden and Toots & The Maytals.

Mike: Beck, Pat Benatar, Mariah Carey, The Carpenters, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, Oasis, John Prine, The Runaways, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, Tina Turner and Steve Winwood.

Now, Out of all of the predictions made by Rock Hall Watchers so far on this site, Which one do you think is the most realistic?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 01/12/2021 @ 19:34pm

Michael W: On the Pixies, it's hard to say when they'll get an induction—let alone nomination. Right now, the Rock Hall has inducted the most populist alternative and new wave acts of the 80s (Cure and Depeche Mode) and the underground ones have been snubbed by the voters or never nominated. It's a matter of time for time. I hate to think politically, but it seems like the alternative/new wave acts that got in (mostly) have ties to Seymour Stein and the ones he signed have the best chances for induction. The Pixies, among other alt-based acts, were never signed to his label so maybe that will delay their nomination.

RG: Had to put Salt N Pepa in here; just too historically important and groundbreaking to not be here. I rose them up considerably this past summer after "WAP" (among other songs by female rappers) topped the charts. Add their upcoming Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award and it just builds an even stronger case for them. Hard to say when they'll get nominated but I can it happening within the next 3-4 years. Still not saying which ones make t
he top 20 (yet), but some of the choices might surprise you.

Follower: I'll write a conclusion blog to wrap up the Project that will probably answer and clear up most of the questions you've posed.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 01/12/2021 @ 22:43pm

It's hard to know the 2021 inductees when we don't know who the actual nominees are yet.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 01/12/2021 @ 22:45pm

I'm semi-hoping John Coltrane and Patsy Cline aren't on the list. Alex excluded them because they lack any connection to Rock and Roll. And I say semi because I wouldn't mind if they did show up, I even kind of expect it. But they do lack connection to RNR.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/12/2021 @ 23:18pm

Plebian and Michael W,

First I'd like to mention you guys forgot the Staple Singers when doing your rankings.

Second, how would you rank the acts that were considered, but never nominated, as catalogued here: https://www.futurerocklegends.com/previously_considered.php ? Are there any S ranks in there?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 00:59am

Question, Follower..how does Patsy Cline lack any connection to rock and roll? She is just as much a sound as Willie Nelson or Johnny Cash or Dolly Parton, all of whom have been mentioned here, and she is huge in her contribution to women in music.

Posted by Ken Bloedorn on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 02:46am

Follower,

I missed the The Staple Singers? Maybe I forgot or you did not see for some reason. I graded them a C while doing it. I took your word for Bob Jovi though for being C tier Follower. I look into that list later gonna take awhile okay?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 02:56am

Thanks, Richie,
I know you and a lot of the other guys put in a lot of work with the lists you compile, so I just would like to say I appreciate that. And your listing of everybody's nom picks makes for a great reference point with the nominations coming up hopefully in a few weeks. Although I did not see KING's nom picks on there, it's easy for a few to get lost in the shuffle, I'm sure. Thanks again.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 03:14am

Follower,

Here is my ranking for those that have been considered, but never nominated
S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

Ashford and Simpson-D (ME fodder)
The Average White Band-D
The B-52's-C
Bad Company-C
Barry White-D
The Big Bopper-D
BB and Holding Company-A (Only that rank because of being Janis Joplin's backing band and maybe added to her)
Billy Preston-D (ME fodder)
Black Flag-C
Blind Faith-D
Blood, Sweat, and Tears-D
Blues Incorporated-D
The Blues Project-D
Bobby Brown-D
Boogie Down Productions-D
Boz Scraggs-D (ME fodder)
Brock Benton-D
Canned Heat-D
Captain Beefheart-D
Chubby Checker-D
Cliff Richards and the Shadows-D
The Commodores-D
Country Joe and the Fish-D
Crazy Horse-S (Only that rank because of being Neil Young's backing band and maybe added to him)
The Crystals-D
De La Soul-D
Delaney and Bonnie-D
Dick Dale-C
Donny Hathaway-D
Doug Sahm-D
Dr. Hook-D
ELP-C
Fela-B
Fishbone-D
The Five Keys-D
The Five Satins-D
The Flying Burrito Brothers-D
Freddy Cannon-D
The Gap Band-D
George Jones-D
Gil Scott-Heron-C
Grace Jones-D
The Harptones-D
Herman's Hermits-D
Hot Tuna-D
Huey 'Piano' Smith and the Clowns-D
Iron Butterfly-D
Iron Maiden-B
Ivory Joe Hunter-D
Jack Scott-D
The Jam-B
The Jayhawks-D
Jethro Tull-C
Joe Cocker-D
Johnny Burnette and the Rock N' Roll Trio-D
Johnny Hallaway-D
Johnny Winter-D
Judy Collins-D
Junior Parker-D
Junior Walker and the All-Stars-D
Junior Wells-D
Keith Richards-D
The Last Poets-D
Lee Dorsey-D
Leslie Gore-D
Living Colour-D
Love-C
Lucinda Williams-D
Manfred Mann-D
The Marshall Tucker Band-D
Mick Jagger-D
Mitch Ryder-D
The Monkees-C
Neil Sedaka-D
The Neville Brothers-D
Nick Drake-C
Otis Rush-D
Pat Boone-No he flat out sucks
Patsy Cline-A
Paul Anka-D
Peter Tosh-D
Pixies-A
Poco-D
Rufus Thomas-D
RG Cooder-D
Sade-D
The Shangri-Las's-D
Simple Minds-D
Sinead O' Connor-D
Slim Harpo-D
Sonic Youth-B
Sonny and Cher-D (Really?)
The Spencer Davis Group-D
Sugarhill Gang-D
Teddy Pendergrass-D
Ten Years After-D
Three Dog Night-D
Tim Harden-D
Tina Turner-B
Tommy James and the Shondells-D
Treacherous Three-D
The Turtles-D
X-C

Lots of D's on this list Follower I hope you understand

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 10:45am

The B-52's are anything but average.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 10:53am

Plebian,

It is cool that you do these lists, and obviously these are kind of subjective. But I have serious doubts about many of your rankings.

Just a few of the names that I think you are seriously underestimating:
The B-52s
Black Flag
Brook (not Brock) Benton
The Commodores
De La Soul
The Jam
Jethro Tull (a C? Some people on this site will have a meltdown)
Lesley Gore
Love
Neil Sedaka
Peter Tosh
The Shangri-Las
Tim Hardin
Tommy James & the Shondells
X

There are a number of others but these were ones that seriously jumped out at me. Cs and Ds seem quite low. And again I know it's subjective, but The Jam to me is much higher than a B.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 11:51am

richie, thank you for aggregating everyone's predictions.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 11:54am

Plebeian,

The fact that you gave Barry White, Captain Beefheart, De La Soul, Fishbone, Joe Cocker, Johnny Burnette/R&R Trio, Junior Walker, Living Colour, Lucinda Williams, The Neville Brothers, Peter Tosh, The Shanghai-La's, and Tommy James/Shondells all a 'D' grade shows a stunning amount of ignorance on your part re. these artists, leaving one to conclude that your ratings can't be taken seriously...

Posted by EDS on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 12:22pm

That's pretty rude man.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 12:38pm

Here is my ranking for those that have been considered, but never nominated, with ** next to those where I differ from Plebian.

S-Legendary (no doubt first year inductees)
A-Almost Legendary (no doubt inductees in their first couple years eligible)
B-Good/Great (no doubt should've gotten in in their first 10 years)
C-Average (should be inducted but it's fine that they waited awhile)
D-Below Average (artists that wouldn't really bother me much if they never get inducted)

Ashford and Simpson-D
The Average White Band-D
The B-52's-B**
Bad Company-C
Barry White-C**
The Big Bopper-D
BB and Holding Company-C** (Should just be in with Janis)
Billy Preston-C** (I agree that he's tailor-made for the Musical Excellence category)
Black Flag-C
Blind Faith-D
Blood, Sweat, and Tears-D
Blues Incorporated-D
The Blues Project-D
Bobby Brown-C**
Boogie Down Productions-D
Boz Scaggs-D
Brook Benton-C**
Canned Heat-D
Captain Beefheart-C**
Chubby Checker-D
Cliff Richards and the Shadows-D
The Commodores-C**
Country Joe and the Fish-D
Crazy Horse-C** (Should just be in with Neil)
The Crystals-D
De La Soul-C**
Delaney and Bonnie-D
Dick Dale-C
Donny Hathaway-D
Doug Sahm-D
Dr. Hook-D
ELP-C
Fela-B
Fishbone-D
The Five Keys-D
The Five Satins-D
The Flying Burrito Brothers-D
Freddy Cannon-D
The Gap Band-D
George Jones-C**
Gil Scott-Heron-C
Grace Jones-C**
The Harptones-D
Herman's Hermits-D
Hot Tuna-D
Huey 'Piano' Smith and the Clowns-D
Iron Butterfly-D
Iron Maiden-B
Ivory Joe Hunter-D
Jack Scott-D
The Jam-B
The Jayhawks-D
Jethro Tull-B**
Joe Cocker-C**
Johnny Burnette and the Rock N' Roll Trio-D
Johnny Hallaway-D
Johnny Winter-D
Judy Collins-D
Junior Parker-D
Junior Walker and the All-Stars-D
Junior Wells-C** (Almost a B)
Keith Richards-D
The Last Poets-D
Lee Dorsey-D
Leslie Gore-C**
Living Colour-D
Love-C
Lucinda Williams-D
Manfred Mann-D
The Marshall Tucker Band-D
Mick Jagger-D
Mitch Ryder-C** (Maybe my Detroit roots are showing on this one)
The Monkees-C
Neil Sedaka-C**
The Neville Brothers-D
Nick Drake-C
Otis Rush-D
Pat Boone-D
Patsy Cline-B**
Paul Anka-D
Peter Tosh-C**
Pixies-B**
Poco-D
Rufus Thomas-D
Ry Cooder-D
Sade-D
The Shangri-La's-C**
Simple Minds-D
Sinead O' Connor-C**
Slim Harpo-D
Sonic Youth-B
Sonny and Cher-C**
The Spencer Davis Group-D
Sugarhill Gang-D
Teddy Pendergrass-D
Ten Years After-D
Three Dog Night-C**
Tim Harden-D
Tina Turner-B
Tommy James and the Shondells-C**
Treacherous Three-D
The Turtles-D
X-C

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 13:11pm

Michael W.,

Thanks for sharing man. It is kind of funny that on this list I was too harsh, but you were very kind whereas on the actual inductees I was very kind and you were (not to be mean) harsh.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 13:23pm

Plebian and Michael W,

Thank you for doing that list, and I just used CTRL-F and searched for Singers. Nowhere did either of you mention The Staple Singers.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 14:04pm

The description at the top needs to be updated to say 26 years

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 14:54pm

Another random little list project -

Inductees with the most and least Billboard Top 40 Hits

Artists with 30 or more US hits:
Elvis Presley - 105
Elton John - 57
The Beatles - 51
Madonna - 49
Stevie Wonder - 47
Michael Jackson - 46
James Brown - 44
Aretha Franklin - 43
Marvin Gaye - 41
The Rolling Stones - 41
Paul McCartney - 40
The Beach Boys - 39
The Temptations - 38
Smokey Robinson & The Miracles - 38
Neil Diamond - 37
Fats Domino - 36
Ricky Nelson - 36
Chicago - 35
Janet Jackson - 35
Rod Stewart - 34
Ray Charles - 33
The Supremes - 33
Billy Joel - 32
Prince - 31
Bee Gees - 30
Whitney Houston - 30

Artists with 3 hits or fewer:
AC/DC - 3
Allman Brothers Band - 3
Beastie Boys - 3
Cream - 3
The Cure - 3
Deep Purple - 3
Eddie Cochran - 3
Gene Vincent - 3
The Moonglows - 3
Neil Young - 3
Parliament-Funkadelic - 3
Ruth Brown - 3
Sam & Dave - 3
Small Faces/Faces - 3
Talking Heads - 3
The Zombies - 3
The Band - 2
The Clash - 2
Elvis Costello & the Attractions - 2
The Flamingos - 2
Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers - 2
Janis Joplin - 2
Jefferson Airplane - 2 (9 including Jefferson Starship, 15 including Starship)
Jimmy Cliff - 2
Jimmy Reed - 2
Joan Baez - 2
Nine Inch Nails - 2
Nirvana - 2
Pink Floyd - 2
Radiohead - 2
Ritchie Valens - 2
Bo Diddley - 1 (Say Man)
Buffalo Springfield - 1 (For What It's Worth)
Carl Perkins - 1 (Blue Suede Shoes)
Dr. John - 1 (Right Place, Wrong Time)
Frank Zappa - 1 (Valley Girl)
Grateful Dead - 1 (Touch of Grey)
Jimi Hendrix - 1 (All Along the Watchtower)
Lou Reed - 1 (Walk on the Wild Side)
Nina Simone - 1 (I Loves You, Porgy)
NWA - 1 (Straight Outta Compton)
Patti Smith - 1 (Because the Night)
Public Enemy - 1 (Give It Up)
Randy Newman - 1 (Short People)
Roxy Music - 1 (Love is the Drug)
Rush - 1 (New World Man)
T. Rex - 1 (Get It On)

Never had a Top 40 US Hit
Albert King
Big Joe Turner
Black Sabbath
Bob Marley
Buddy Guy
Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
Jeff Beck
John Lee Hooker
Laura Nyro
Leonard Cohen
Miles Davis
Muddy Waters
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Ramones
Sex Pistols
Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
The Stooges
Tom Waits
Traffic
The Velvet Underground

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 15:03pm

Just surfed the web and found the Rock Hall post about Jethro Tull on their Twitter. Possible hint or just for fun?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 15:54pm

If nominated, Jethro Tull will easily make it and the get the most votes from the voting body. That would make the Nom Com get to King Crimson next (who also have more than enough votes for an induction).

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 16:26pm

Plebian,

I noticed that too. I guess I think more artists are closer to average than you do, since I moved people up from the D tier and down from the S and A tiers. It's all good. They're all more talented, creative, etc. than I could ever be.

Follower,

Thanks for noticing that omission. I'd rank the Staple Singers as a solid C.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 01/13/2021 @ 18:22pm

Nick,
Nice picks in your latest installments. Some of the ones I like a lot and I predicted. Soundgarden certainly a great pick. They are one of the key groups of grunge. Their back-to-back albums Badmotorfinger (1991) and Superunknown (1994), are among some great albums in rock history. Superunknown marked the height of Soundgarden's popularity as they became huge stars thanks to their anthem song "Black Hole Sun." There was fights, however, that tore the band apart and they broke up in 1997 and Cornell and the members pursued other projects. I am not a huge fan of the Pixies but they are a very good choice, You did a good write up on them. They released two key albums Surfer Rosa (1988) and Doolittle (1989), I've heard some of Doolittle. Iron Maiden is a Major heavy metal band. They should be nominated soon. Iron Maiden's highly-intellectual songs were about mythology, fantasy, war and history. Sometimes you need to know your stuff to understand what's going on or what they're referencing. Their album covers featured their mascot Eddie. A lot of my Heavy metal friends used to talk about him.
Kool & the Gang is a good R&B choice. There are definitely some jazz elements in their earliest records, in fact their debut album comprises only instrumentals and they always had a horn section. But labeling Kool & the Gang to one specific genre is not something you should do as they played rock, funk, pop and jazz on their early records. They made a huge comeback with a new singer. As evident in songs such as "Celebration," Kool & the Gang took a pop sound and became even bigger stars. They, around this time, also performed tender ballads that made them big with easy listening like Cherish. I am not a big fan of Kool & the Gang but it's a good choice and they were a huge group. Heyy that's it for now

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 06:06am

Nick, you have been knocking it out of the park with these installments of your list. The sad thing is, this is pointing out just how many acts are deserving that the RRHOF has neglected. There's no pleasing everyone, but this has been a refreshing look into just how far we have to go, and how much longer it will take them before they catch up, especially with artists becoming eligible every new year, and we are on the precipice of the 2000s acts in just a couple more cycles. Great job!

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 12:24pm

One month left until we learn the nominees.

Female pop: Diana Ross
Major act: Backstreet Boys
Rap: Rage Against the Machine
Soul: Lou Rawls
Nineties: Soundgarden
Classic rock: Bad Company
Songwriter: Sheryl Crow
Progressive rock: Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Post punk: The Smiths
Alternative: Devo
Eighties: Pat Benatar
Sixties: Joe Cocker
Fifties: Big Mama Thornton
Metal: Motley Crue
Glam: New York Dolls
Seventies: KC and the Sunshine Band

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 13:10pm

Soda Stereo from Argentina, they would become the first band of Rock en Español to be inducted. This would be historical and would prove the Rockhall is looking to be more inclusive. There are over 60 million Latinos in the United States.

If you agree the Rockhall should open the door to rock en Español, and induct its more influential and popular band, please help us by signing our petition at:

https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/induct-soda-stereo-into-rock-roll-hall-of-fame.html

Posted by Miguel Galvez on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 13:11pm

Re. Garrus' picks:

Diana Ross solo- not happening
Backstreet Boys- oh please!
Rage Against the Machine- 50/50 chance, won't be inducted
Lou Rawls- see Diana Ross comment
Bad Company- possible, don't see it this year
Sheryl Crow- 30% chance this year, quite possibly a down-the-line choice
Emerson, Lake and Palmer- not anytime soon, if ever
The Smiths- deserving, but very unlikely
Devo- may have been a one-and-done choice
Pat Benatar-likely nom, will probably lose out to someone like Mariah
Joe Cocker- don't see it happening
Big Mama Thornton- seems like an possible EI/ME choice
Motley Crue- F the kiosk, they're not getting in, nor do they deserve to!
New York Dolls- see Devo comment
KC and the Sunshine Band- really???

Posted by EDS on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 13:46pm

Motley Crue + Rock Hall = More money, more crowds, more ratings, more Relevance.

Clearly, whiny EDS is a apologist who is want the Hall to cause more bad business decision by rigging the kiosk and online fan ballot, and possibly a Snowflake shill who thinks political correctness and modern standards are requirements for induction. Get woke, go broke!

By the way, Tommy Lee is skillfully a better drummer than Lars Ulrich. The dude always retains the tempos.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 14:09pm

Motley Crue + Rock Hall = More money, more crowds, more ratings, more Relevance.

Clearly, whiny EDS is a apologist wants the Hall to cause more bad business decisions by rigging the kiosk and online fan ballot, and possibly a Snowflake shill who thinks political correctness and modern standards are requirements for induction. Get woke, go broke!

By the way, Tommy Lee is skillfully a better drummer than Lars Ulrich. The dude always retains the tempos.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 14:10pm

Consumerism matters; It should comes first, needs to come first, and always comes first. If they don't listen what the general public wants the most, the next class will be another commercial failure like it happened to 2020. When the Induction Special was aired on first night, the ratings failed to meet the success of the class of 2019 that was way less than 800'000 people. If Dave Matthews Band or Motley Crue were on it as a seventh spot, the numbers would have been higher.

The Hall needs to restore their businesses integrity with mandate inclusions for eligible acts who have the most votes on the kiosk and online fan ballot. If not, then they might as well change the name to "The Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, and Snowflakes like. "

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 14:22pm

Just another troll, just move on

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 14:24pm

I wonder when Philip will finally post his Songs of Proof for 2020.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 15:15pm

Even though the fan vote doesn't really matter anymore, Who do you guys see topping the fan vote and winning it this year for 2021 if nominated?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 22:56pm

Iron Maiden
Dave Matthews Band
Foreigner
The Go-Go's
Pat Benatar
Jethro Tull

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 01/14/2021 @ 23:49pm

I don't see Cyndi Lauper for 2021. Most likely, 2024 or 2025. Pat Benatar has a slight advantage. Also, Kate Bush is a FAV from her recent nomination. Should be an interesting ballot this year. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 00:37am

I hate talking about this because the body is still warm, but New York Dolls chances just rise up significantly. Maybe there might be an urgency to get them in now.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 01:01am

Plebian-

NY Dolls ain't making it in- their window (unfortunately) closed a long time ago. Plus they had ONE great album out of two w/the classic lineup, and SylvainX2's passing won't be enough to move the needle for their nomination/induction chances (ask the Monkees how that's worked out for them)...

As for you, Dud, it isn't about being a hipster or whatever passes for your presumptive 'logic'- if DMB had been inducted, the Induction Ceremony would still have had NO live performances, which is why the audience wasn't there (as if any of that crap matters)...

Admittedly, Tommy Lee is an above average drummer, but Vince Squeal is such a horrid frontman he could bring any band down with his malignant awfulness (just ask Hanoi Rocks)- hell, his own band mates can't stand him, and have made no secret of that!

And if commercialism matters so much to you (as opposed to actual music that endures), does that mean you'd be OK with the likes of Nicklehack, Creeud, Lame Bizkit, and most heinous of all, Moroon 5 getting in, if the kiosk and Fan Vote were to be rigged in their favor (like it was for Chicago)???

Posted by EDS on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 03:11am

Even if those bands were number one on the kiosk or online fan ballot, give them what the consumers want. The Rock Hall was never built for the media nor niche communities, it was built for the masses. You have to give them what they want, or you won't have any crowds and money. Ever wonder why they had layoffs? No, it has nothing to do with the pandemic.

It's due to the fan and consumer outrage. They stole Motley's nomination and they stole DMB's induction, which is rigging, cheating and poor business decisions. There are no good reasons to omit an act that the general public wants the most. The Hall losing money for being out of touch just like other big businesses are.

Big names + Rock Hall = More crowds, more money, more ratings, and more Relevance.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 07:21am

Why would they "rig" the kiosk and fan vote in favor of someone they weren't going to induct anyway? That just make any sense. They never promised to nominate the kiosk winner or induct fan vote winner. When it happened in the past it was pure coincidence that they got inducted. Covid is reason why they lost money last year.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 08:31am

Why would they "rig" the kiosk and fan vote in favor of someone they weren't going to induct anyway? That just doesn't make any sense. They never promised to nominate the kiosk winner or induct fan vote winner. When it happened in the past it was pure coincidence that they got inducted. Covid is reason why they lost money last year.

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Posted by Greg F on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 08:33am

That's what the Hall wants you think. The general public began to boycott the Hall when the kiosk was rigged, which negatively spread words of mouth both in person and online. And when the online fan ballot was rigged, things went worse and became more revealing. More from the general public began to boycott. The attendance rate was declining before the pandemic. No Motley Crue and no Dave Matthews Band equates no crowds, no ratings, and no money.

The class of 2020 was bound to be a commercial failure, and it failed like sh*t. Businesses is more objective than music, no matter how much you hate certain names.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 08:41am

They didn't rig anything, they ignored results of the kiosk vote by not nominating Motley Crue. By ignoring that fact that they were the top getter. Using the word rigged was not the best way to describe what you're saying here. Dave Matthews Band just didn't get enough votes for the voting body to get induction. It's likely as simple as that.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 09:54am

Most of y'all act like a nomination and an induction is all rocket science way too much. It wouldn't hurt if you nominate at least ONE act that have the most votes on the kiosk, and it's also wouldn't hurt to induct ONE act that have the most votes on the fan ballot yearly. It's that smart and simple.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 10:18am

I agree they should have a people's choice nominee and inductee every year. It won't hurt to have an extra slot for that.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 10:36am

Ken Bloedorn,

It's been days but I think I'll explain it: Patsy Cline, when she was alive, was country, and is well regarded (which is probably why she has been concidered), but never really got the chance to step outside the country boundaries the way the other artists you mentioned did.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 12:44pm

I agree that when Ms. Cline was alive, she was country country. Wish she had gotten a chance to branch out into other genres. With a voice like she had, I know she would have whupped ass.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 13:13pm

THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
BASED ON ELIGIBLE ARTISTS WITH THE MOST VOTES
ON FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS

https://www.futurerocklegends.com/statistics.php

1. Devo
2. Jethro Tull
3. Duran Duran
4. Mariah Carey
5. Alice In Chains
6. Smashing Pumpkins
7. Foo Fighter
8. Blink-182
9. Backstreet Boys

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 14:38pm

I'm glad those were just 20 suggestions by E-Rockracy. As far as Selena, I believe Gloria Estefan or Los Lobos are better choices for Latin representation. Strong discographies over 35-40 years. Incredible influence on later Latin musicians. She died tragically at 23 but I can't place Selena ahead of more deserving artists. Groups like Blue Oyster Cult, Judas Priest, and Kool & The Gang have been around 50 years.
OutKast sounds like a cool choice until you realize LL Cool J will get another nomination. Jay-Z and Eminem will be locks the next 2 years. I do believe they will be nominated and selected someday.
Ronnie James Dio was an enlightened choice. He's been 1 of my last cuts. I think I've been waiting for the Hall to retroactively put him in with Black Sabbath. It hasn't happened. DIO the perfect HOF candidate...Continuing to make important music with Rainbow, Sabbath, and his own group DIO. I'm going to have to squeeze him on with Alabama, John Fogerty, L.A. Guns, and a few others.
I'm glad he brought up Boston. I don't have anything against Boston as an Inductee. They made very quality songs. Amanda probably my FAV song of Boston. Could be on the ballot this year. Inductee
Beck I agree should be nominated. He has a good discography of songs. Well-respected music artist. O'Delay I enjoyed that CD. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 01/15/2021 @ 14:40pm

To get back on track, it's been a whole year since the announcement of the Rock Hall 2020 class. Any reflections? Does this class still rank up well? Clearly our Twitter is exploding on wanting more woman do you think it might pan out? I don't see it, (appreciate it of course) but the Rock Hall members that are aware of this site's existence may take it in consideration. Will we get only 5 or 6 this year? Your thoughts everyone?

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 01/16/2021 @ 02:17am

The Rock Class of 2020, to me, goes down as one of the best classes of the past few years. So many of my personal boxes were checked. Whitney, Depeche Mode and NIN I had been waiting for to get in for YEARS. At a personal level, I hope they continue what I consider some of my biggest snubs and include the likes of Smashing Pumpkins, Bad Company and either Mariah Carey or TIna Turner (I really don't care which, but Tina would be more deserving).

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 01/16/2021 @ 04:00am

Plebian,

What are your latest predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/16/2021 @ 11:22am

On their Instagram page, the RRHOF is teasing an interview with Lenny Kravitz. Significant because he is not a member of the hall yet, and they rarely showcase someone not there...foreshadowing? Stay tuned..

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 01/16/2021 @ 11:53am

I'm so disappointed that neither the Scorpions or Duran Duran ever seem to be considered for the hall. What more do either have to do?

Posted by BRDailey on Saturday, 01/16/2021 @ 13:08pm

Nick,
I will continue with picks I like in this installment. Willie Nelson is a great choice. Country music as you've said is not well represented in the Hall. He is fine outlaw country.
Paul Shaffer, who is a director at the Hall apparently brought up Nelson's name during last year's committee meeting. But, sadly, Nelson did not appear on the shortlist of nominees. Shaffer was one of the main people wanting The Zombies and it took 4 nominations until they earned induction, so a similar thing will happen with Willie Nelson I'd say..
Pat Benatar is on my prediction list. A great choice of course. When Pat Benatar was nominated for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in October 2019, I—like most people who closely follow the Rock Hall—assumed she'd get inducted last year, In the current populist era of Rock Hall induction ceremonies on HBO, she qualifies so much: a household name, music still played on classic rock radio stations and an early MTV star. Triple check. When Benatar lost I was sooo disappointed. You have a great writeup on Benatar. She is a key snub.
There is also B52s on your list and Duran Duran. They are both huge new wave acts of the 80s. They are both on my prediction list. There is a lot of memorable songs Duran Duran have like Hungry Like the Wolf, Rio and Notorious and there's many others. I look forward to the Top 20 spots.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01/16/2021 @ 15:00pm

K-Dawg,

Maybe a nod for The Guess Who? His version of American Woman is one of the most famous covers in rock. I see Lenny Kravitz very waaaaaaay done the line like 2030 or something.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 01/16/2021 @ 16:09pm

Hey Guys,

I would like to ask the following questions:

Which previously nominated acts do you guys see being nominated again for the Rock Hall this year for 2021?.

Which acts do you guys see being nominated for the Rock Hall for the first time this year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/16/2021 @ 18:16pm

Nick,

If we go by Professor Bill Martin's definition of new wave, i. e. "New wave equals prog X punk," then certainly- the term "new wave" may have a certain modicum of validity. However, for the sake of argument, I would define Duran Duran as being "crossover prog" instead, since their influences had included such artists as: Roxy Music and David Bowie, in addition to others, as well as disco.

Roxy Music had been described as being the most important "art rock" band since The Beatles. In accordance with the basic definition, "art rock" and "prog rock" have often been described as equivalent terms. Lest we forget, Seymour Stein had coined the term "new wave," (after a French cinema genre from the late 1950's and 1960's ) due to the fact that neither Talking Heads, nor Blondie had liked the term "punk" and who can honestly blame them?

Of course, I would definitely place Duran Duran higher on my list, however seeing them on your list in the 21st position, makes me wonder just which artists are in your top 20.

Thank you.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/16/2021 @ 19:51pm

Plebian,

That's a great idea too. The Guess Who should have been in long ago, and honestly, I like most of their music. "American Woman" and "These Eyes" are their most famous tunes, but I like other cuts from them better like "No Time Left For You" and "Albert Flasher". The deeper you get, the more great tunes they have.

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 01/17/2021 @ 01:58am

I did this a few weeks ago, but I did a tier list on those that have been nominated, yet have not got the honor of induction. I decided to repost it in case you guys did not see it. These Lil Kim swarming our boards might hurt us for awhile so enjoy it while you can.
S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

Chic (11)-C
Kraftwerk (6)-S
Chuck Willis (6)-D
Joe Tex (5)-D
The J. Geils Band (5)-D
LL Cool J (5)-B
MC5 (5)-C
Rufus/Chaka Khan (total 6)-D
The Meters (4)-D
Ben E. King (3)-D
War (3)-C
The Spinners (3)-C
Gram Parsons (3)-B
Mary Wells (2)-D
Link Wray (2)-C
RATM (2)-B
The Smiths (2)-A
Esther Phillips (2)-C
The Marvelettes (2)-D
Johnny Ace (2)-C
The Chantels (2)-D
Judas Priest (2)-B
Todd Rundgren (2)-C
Motörhead (1)-B
Thin Lizzy (1)-C
Pat Benatar (1)-C
DMB (1)-D (I'm sorry I'm gonna break a lot of hearts on this one. )
Soundgarden (1)-B
John Prine (1)-D
Devo (1)-B
Kate Bush (1)-B
Eurythmics (1)-C
Steppenwolf (1)-C
Jane's Addiction (1)-C
Bad Brains (1)-D
The J.B.'s (1)-D
Los Lobos (1)-D
Sting (1)-D
The Replacements (1)-C
Procol Harum (1)-C
Eric B. And Rakim (1)-C
Afrika Bambaataa (1)-C
The Sir Douglas Quintet (1)-D
Conway Twitty (1)-D
Steve Winwood (1)-D
New York Dolls (1)-B
The Dominoes (1)-C
Carole King (1)-C

RG, K-Dawg, Paul in KY, etc...

Your initial thoughts? Again, I do this for fun so don't take this seriously. Just one guy's opinion.

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 01/17/2021 @ 02:15am

Since a HoFer just died, and I haven't posted this since the move, I figured I'd post it again. Here's the living members of the classes from the 80's, 90's, and 2000's.:
1986: 2/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis and Don Everly)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 10/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Mary Wilson, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 9/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Charlie Watts, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 15/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Hilton Valentine, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 23/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Calvin Simon, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 20/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Lloyd Price, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 5/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Mavis Staples, and Pervis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 10/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2007: 16/19 (Everyone but Cowboy, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen are alive.)
2008: 7/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Don Wilson, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 13 or 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson. It is unknown if Glouster "Nat" Rogers is alive or dead.)

And from 2010 and onward, the dead members will be listed, aside from 2012:

2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2012: 30 or 31/70 (In this case, I'll list the living ones: Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Joey Ambrose, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Norman Thrasher, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, all seven members in Guns N Roses, every Chili Pepper other than Hillel Slovak [7 members], Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, and Glyn Johns. It is unknown if Charles Sutton is alive or dead.)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 20/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 01/17/2021 @ 12:03pm

Nick and Enig,
Nick, I had just caught up on your most recent installment, #30-21, so I will add a few comments on some of your selections.
I enjoyed the information on The Pixies, some of that I was not aware of. I am not sure of their immediate chances, but they were definitely highly influential. I have always been a fan of Kool and the Gang, growing up in the Funk/R&B era, so I prefer the mid 70's Funk material. Either they or The Commodores should be nominated this go round..
For Willie Nelson, I have been steadily getting more on the bandwagon for the past 2 years.. I just can't understand the omission, and he needs to be recognized for all of the reasons that you mention.
The only thing I have to say about Pat Benatar and The B-52's is that I have them both rated in my Top 10, and they both deserve to be nominated and inducted with this next class. Pat and Neil for sure, and The B-52's should at least get a nomination.
Enig, so Nick has Duran Duran rated as his #21 selection, which I would feel is about correct, mid 20's or so.. I would just like to comment on the Prog/Punk> New Wave element theory that you mentioned. There does seem to be some validity to that reasoning but it does seem to go beyond that. New Wave and post-Punk took inspiration from many different influences.. Rock, Punk, Disco, Prog, Electro, Glam, and pretty much every genre could be incorporated to derive new sounds. I think they were open to trying anything at the time, and some of the more successful like The Police and Talking Heads exercised a lot of Reggae and Afrobeat into their music.
Prog was very relevant throughout the 70's in general, showing itself in an abundance of Rock music. You already know the obvious choices of the popular Prog bands of that time, but the progressive nature of Rock was even apparent in bands like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult, Styx, Supertramp, Boston, Allman Brothers, and Queen. So it is only natural that there would absolutely be some Prog influences in the formation of the New Wave and even Goth movements. Anyway, you know my Prog pick for this upcoming class is for Jethro Tull, so lets hope at least that will happen..

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 01/17/2021 @ 17:14pm

One month and few weeks until we get our new nominees....they better give us 7 for the long wait man!

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 01/18/2021 @ 00:37am

Any of you guys got other platforms to chat? Would like to chat outside the forums every now and then.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 01/18/2021 @ 12:06pm

Ok music is a passion of mine and it always will be! I spend usually 4 hours daily listening to music, since I have the time!
Here is my wishlist for the class of 2021, Dave Matthews Band, Soundgarden, Three Dig Night, Phil Collins, Sting, Counting Crows, Blood Swear and Tears, Blue Oyster Cult, Foreigner, Boston, Blink-182, Pat Benatar, Cyndi Lauper, Heart, Kansas, Kenny Loggins, Motörhead, RATM, Oasis, Don McLean, a-ha, The Turtles, Tool, Bad Company, Beck, The Guess Who, Rob Zombie, Traffic, The Tokens, Thin Lizzy, Them, Huey Lewis and The News, Poison, Whitesnake, Stone Temple Pilots, Steppenwolf, Queens Of The Stone Age, The White Stripes, Ozzy Osbourne, Ohio Express, Mudvayne, Moby, Grand Funk, Gordon Lightfoot, Chris Cornell, Bryan Adams, Jim Croce (not sure if he was inducted), Korn, Lou Reed, The Stooges, REO Speedwagon, Scorpions, System Of A Down, andThe Offspring, Told ya music is a passion of mine! I obviously like a wide range of rock music, mainly because my dad was passionate about rock music! Sorry my list is so long! Enjoy music my friends!

Posted by Aaron Geen on Monday, 01/18/2021 @ 17:47pm

Aaron,

You'll be pleased to learn that Heart, Traffic, Lou Reed, & The Stooges are all already in! Also Queens of the Stone Age, Mudvayne, Chris Cornell and The White Stripes won't be eligible for a few more years.

Posted by RG on Monday, 01/18/2021 @ 18:45pm

For those not in the know, the other day the list for the National Garden of American Heroes was revealed, and here are the Rock Hall inductees that will/would (if Biden decides to go through with it, which he probably won't) be getting statues:

Performers:
Johnny Cash
Ray Charles
Miles Davis
Aretha Franklin
Whitney Houston
Elvis Presley

Early Influences:
Louis Armstrong
Nat King Cole
Bessie Smith
Woody Guthrie
Billie Holiday

That's also every musical figure getting a statue, with two exceptions. The two musicians not in the Hall that would get statues are Duke Ellington and Frank Sinatra. This, should it happen, makes the case for both of them (most likely as Early Influences) even stronger.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/19/2021 @ 12:39pm

Yeah, that probably won't happen for a while, if ever. It's pretty innocuous by Trump standards (inclusion of Christopher Columbus, Andrew Jackson, and a few others aside) but weird projects like this that are announced right as the President's term ends are very unlikely to be a priority any time soon with everything else going on.

But honestly if you're putting together a shortlist of 13 musicians to represent American culture, it's hard to argue with these picks.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 01/19/2021 @ 14:45pm

K-Dawg,

It seems your The Guess Who wish is coming true. There is a petition in the works to get them in and Lenny Kravitz has them as one of their influences (source: Allmusic and Rock Hall interview). Thoughts?

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 01/19/2021 @ 16:12pm

Do we know when the nominees will be released?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/19/2021 @ 17:00pm

Lil kim has inspired a whole generation for female hip hop and went against the norm of society so women could have a voice.. also Mariah Carey is awesome

Posted by Jeffrey scott on Tuesday, 01/19/2021 @ 17:24pm

It'll pop up next month.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/19/2021 @ 18:04pm

Lil kim has inspired a whole generation for female hip hop and went against the norm of society so women could have a voice.. also Mariah Carey is awesome

Posted by Jeffrey scott on Tuesday, 01/19/2021 @ 18:55pm

Here's the next installment of the 'Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project': #20-11

It's hard to believe this project is almost completed and thank you to those who've kept up and read/commented on it. The final ten will be here in no time.

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject20-11

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 01/19/2021 @ 22:29pm

Looks like Nick disagrees with Alex on Cher having no substance beyond having a lot of hits.

Anyway, still hoping Kraftwerk isn't number one, even moreso now that we are in the top 10.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/19/2021 @ 23:50pm

Looks like Nick disagrees with Alex on Cher having no substance beyond having a lot of hits.

Anyway, still hoping Kraftwerk isn't number one, even moreso now that we are in the top 10.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/19/2021 @ 23:50pm

So who would you prefer as #1, Follower?

Posted by EDS on Wednesday, 01/20/2021 @ 03:58am

Nick,

I doubt you'll get much argument over anyone in your top 20, though the odds of Chic getting another nom are pretty low after the Niles Rodgers induction. C'est la vie! I'm also a little lower on Eurythmics than you, as I'd put them behind Duran Duran and the B-52's in the new wave line. I'm in favor of their induction, just not quite yet. I can't understand how Beck didn't get at least a nomination yet and I've predicted him each year since he's been eligible. Maybe it's his connection to Scientology? Maybe not. Beck and Outkast would be my personal favorites from this batch, though I also like the Spinners and Smashing Pumpkins.

My guess for your top 10, in no particular order:

Kraftwerk, Judas Priest, LL Cool J, Gram Parsons, The Smiths, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren, Tina Turner, Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush

Or maybe it would be:

Strawberry Alarm Clock, Mike + The Mechanics, Kris Kross, Soup Dragons, Seals And Croft, Taylor Dayne, Sam the Sham & the Pharaohs, Enigma, Slaughter, Lipps Inc.

Definitely one of those two lists. Definitely.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 01/20/2021 @ 07:20am

Nick,

Great update!

I wasn't sure what you were going to do with Cher. For the record, I am Team #InductCher, but I know opinions on her worthiness are a bit mixed. I agree with her placement though.

Kicking myself for cutting The Spinners from my last prediction, but I'm still happy to see them on here.

Chic was a total miss for me, I didn't even think of them when putting together my prediction.

The rest are all no-brainers.

For the top ten, it's hard to imagine the list resolving without:

Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Mariah Carey
Rage Against the Machine
The Smiths
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren

Which means my other three predicted artists, Bad Company, Carole King, & Gram Parsons would miss the cut. Very interesting, and I am looking forward to seeing how it plays out!

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 01/20/2021 @ 10:22am

EDS,

Literally anyone. Karftwerk being number one is just too obvious and overdone. If I had to say someone in particular, maybe Judas Priest?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/20/2021 @ 12:33pm

Follower,

Probably Tina Turner almost everyone is doing it as much as Kraftwerk.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 01/20/2021 @ 12:44pm

Country of Origin Breakdown of Inducted Artists
USA - 167
UK - 46
Canada - 5 (The Band, Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Rush)
Australia - 2 (AC/DC, Bee Gees)
Jamaica - 2 (Bob Marley, Jimmy Cliff)
Ireland - 1 (U2)
Sweden - 1 (ABBA)

Cities/Metro Areas With the Most Inducted Artists Originating (where they started their music careers, not where they were born or grew up):

1. New York Metro Area - 36
- NYC - 26 (Clyde McPhatter, The Drifters, Dion, Bobby Darin, Simon & Garfunkel, Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers, The Velvet Underground, The Lovin' Spoonful, James Taylor, Paul Simon, Ramones, Talking Heads, Blondie, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, The Ronettes, Patti Smith, Madonna, Little Anthony & The Imperials, Run-D.M.C., Neil Diamond, Beastie Boys, Laura Nyro, Donna Summer, KISS, Lou Reed, Notorious B.I.G.)
- Newark/NJ Suburbs - 7 (The Shirelles, The (Young) Rascals, The Four Seasons, Whitney Houston, Parliament-Funkadelic, Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen)
- Long Island - 2 (Billy Joel, Public Enemy)
- Hudson Valley - 1 (Steely Dan)

2. London Metro Area - 32
- London - 26 (The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Who, The Yardbirds, Cream, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, Dusty Springfield, Eric Clapton, Queen, The Clash, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Police, Sex Pistols, Dave Clark Five, Jeff Beck, Small Faces/Faces, Cat Stevens, Yes, Dire Straits, Roxy Music, T. Rex)
- St Albans - 2 (Donovan, The Zombies)
- Basildon - 1 (Depeche Mode)
- Chobham - 1 (Peter Gabriel)
- Crawley - 1 (The Cure)
- Godalming - 1 (Genesis)
- Hertford - 1 (Deep Purple)

3. Los Angeles Metro Area - 25
- Los Angeles - 21 (The Coasters, Eddie Cochran, Ricky Nelson, The Beach Boys, The Platters, The Byrds, The Doors, Etta James, Buffalo Springfield, Crosby Stills & Nash, Eagles, The Mamas & The Papas, Jackson Browne, Metallica, Darlene Love, Guns N Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Randy Newman, Linda Ronstadt, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Bill Withers)
- Compton - 1 (NWA)
- Pasadena - 1 (Van Halen)
- San Fernando - 1 (Ritchie Valens)
- Santa Ana - 1 (The Righteous Brothers)

4. Chicago Metro Area - 13
- Chicago - 10 (Sam Cooke, Bo Diddley, LaVern Baker, Curtis Mayfield, The Staple Singers, Earth Wind & Fire, The Flamingos, The Dells, Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Chicago)
- Gary - 3 (The Jackson 5, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson)

4. Detroit Metro Area - 13
- Detroit - 11 (Aretha Franklin, Smokey Robinson, Jackie Wilson, The Supremes, The Temptations, Stevie Wonder, Hank Ballard, Four Tops, Wilson Pickett, Martha & The Vandellas, Little Willie John, Bob Seger)
- Ann Arbor - 1 (The Stooges)

6. San Francisco Bay Area - 11
- San Francisco - 7 (Creedence Clearwater Revival, Sly & The Family Stone, The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Santana, Steve Miller Band, Journey)
- Berkeley - 1 (Green Day)
- Daly City - 1 (Stevie Nicks)
- Marin - 1 (Tupac Shakur)
- San Jose - 1 (The Doobie Brothers)

7. Rural Mississippi Delta - 6 (Albert King, B.B. King, Muddy Waters, Jerry Lee Lewis, Jimmy Reed, John Lee Hooker)

8. Memphis - 5 (Elvis Presley, Bobby "Blue" Bland, Booker T & The MG's, Johnny Cash, Isaac Hayes)

8. Philadelphia - 5 (Bill Haley, Bonnie Raitt, Solomon Burke, Hall & Oates, Nina Simone)

8. Seattle Metro Area - 5
- Seattle - 3 (Jimi Hendrix, Heart, Pearl Jam)
- Aberdeen - 1 (Nirvana)
- Tacoma - 1 (The Ventures)

Cleveland has just four artists, with The Moonglows, Bobby Womack, and Nine Inch Nails being from Cleveland proper, and The O'Jays from Canton.

Largest US metro areas that have never had an inducted artist: Orlando, Denver, Portland, Tampa, Charlotte

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 01/20/2021 @ 14:24pm

Ooh don't forget Texas! (Bob Wills, SRV, Buddy Holly, and Roy Orbison)

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 01/20/2021 @ 14:47pm

Plebian,

I'm doing this mainly by city/metro area rather than state (Mississippi Delta is the exception since the artists there mainly got their start by playing in many of the small towns in the region rather than being located in a central city), but yeah, Texas has got:

Dallas - Stevie Ray Vaughan
Houston - ZZ Top
Beaumont/Port Arthur - Janis Joplin
Lubbock - Buddy Holly
Odessa - Roy Orbison

I may go back and add Early Influences at some point, which I'm sure will boost the numbers for a lot of the South and get Bob Wills on the board.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 01/20/2021 @ 14:55pm

While Jimi Hendrix is from Seattle, the Jimi Hendrix Experience was formed in London

Posted by dmg on Wednesday, 01/20/2021 @ 18:15pm

I highly doubt Weird Al will be in Nick's Top 10, so I'd like to see what Nick thinks of him as a prospect.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/20/2021 @ 23:44pm

Couple of thoughts regarding Nick's latest installment...

I had forgotten about the Spinners not being mentioned, and was pleasantly surprised to see them in the teens. They are long forgotten and ridiculously so. I know their lineup has changed immensely over the decades, but they are one of the godfathers of funk and r and b.

Pumpkins are there, but on my own list, they are in the top 10. I'm curious as all hell to see who will be in the final installment.

I am betting he puts Kraftwerk number one, and they fully belong there. The Hall has not given them their due for 2 decades, and it needs to change.

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 01/21/2021 @ 01:35am

Michael W,
It's the second list, definitely the second list lol. In all seriousness, Beck feels like a Bowie/Zappa/Reed figure who's unquestionably brilliant but just a tad too weird (to be nice) to get a nomination or induction right away. He'll definitely get inducted someday but it's hard to know when the Nom Com will put him on a ballot.

Follower,
It's good on Cher. I'm probably higher on her worthiness than most RHWs but I think she's among the most egregious omissions. She's just too big to ignore.

RG,
The Spinners are one of my favorites who aren't in the Hall. It's good to have be surprised when it involves the mighty Spinners. I never really got the Cher hate that many people have. I'll admit, I doubt I'd ever throw on any of her music but she's a icon through and though. And believe it or not, Chic was initially ranked in the top ten but decided to rank them a tad lower. I still believe Chic should be in the Hall and the Rodgers induction shouldn't end their chances.

K-Dawg,
Again, happy people seem as high on the Spinners as I do. Hard to believe it's been nearly 5 years since their last nomination. Hoping they come back. I like Smashing Pumpkins a lot and saw them live in August 2019. It's great to see others are looking forward to the final ten too. A lot of hard work, research and effort went into this project so it's a nice thing to see when I read things like that.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 01/21/2021 @ 21:59pm

^ Meant to say 'It's all good on Cher'

Alex is a great friend and honestly difference of opinion/viewpoint is always a good thing (when it's an agree-to-disagree situation) IMO.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 01/21/2021 @ 22:22pm

Nick,

I decided to take a look at the YIELD (Year Is Ending List Dump) version of the prospect list and it had Cher on it. Looks like Alex seems to have changed his mind, and I've been made a fool of.

But the original prospect list was written in 2016. Combine that with the fact that 18 of the original list have been inducted and even more acts became eligible since then, that's plenty of time to change a mind. Then again, he didn't put Connie Francis, Huey Lewis, or George Michael on the updated list, all of which he also said had the same problem of their case being "they had a lot of hits" and said hits being dated and/or forgotten.

He seems to has kept his stances on Ted Nugent and John Coltrane, though.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/22/2021 @ 12:37pm

The Rock Hall has confirmed it's Nominating Committee will meet next week, The 2021 nominees will be announced in February at which time the online fan vote will begin and The 2021 inductees will be revealed in May. Also, The 2021 Induction Ceremony will take place in Cleveland in front of a live audience in late October or early November and will air live on HBO and HBO Max. They also said that the 2021 ceremony will only focus on this year's inductees and will not celebrate the 2020 class which was honored during the pre-taped HBO special that aired last November.

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2021/01/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-confirms-induction-schedule-lays-out-2021-plans.html

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/22/2021 @ 13:18pm

Time for FRL to pick its nominees...come on guys!

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 01/22/2021 @ 16:05pm

K-Dawg's Final Predictions List for the Class of 2021:

1. Bad Company-a band talked about for years of being omitted. Paul Rodgers. Need you say more?
2. Alice in Chains-My gut says that they will waffle between the 2 remaining Seattle grunge bands. Both are worthy.
3. Jay Z- FYE, and from a producing and performing standpoint, a proverbial giant in the industry
4. Kraftwerk-I hold to the hope the Hall will not shunt the Godfathers of Electronic and countless genres into Musical Influence
5. Pat Benatar-Her nom and snub last year did not sit well with rock purists. She will be a perennial nominee until she is in
6. The Smashing Pumpkins-Now that NIN has gone in, look for them to turn to another seminal 90s act who has a huge following, and maybe this can be the motivation to reunite the original cast
7. Tina Turner-while I am not a fan of multiple inductions mainly because it tends to take away a spot from a ridiculously large backlog, Tina's career is too big to ignore and she does deserve to be honored independent from Ike and their supposedly abusive relationship
8. Foreigner-the token 70s pop rock band of the year, but these guys are more than deserving of getting in.
9. Duran Duran-New wave has been getting its due in recent years, and it's time for DD to get its love. Lockstep in many eyes with Depeche Mode as the most deserving and now that Depeche is in, they also should give prog fans a little jolt
10. Motley Crue-Last year's shocking omission, the Crue will be the talk of much speculation
11. The Monkees-My perennial choice, because one year I hope they will give them the due they deserve. There aren't many 60s acts that are remaining that have been overlooked, and they are at the very top
12. Iron Maiden-As I've said before, I think they will alternate the metal heavyweights back and forth with Judas Priest, and either one really is deserving
13. The B52s-They've picked up a lot of steam in conversations, and they are an appealing band to a huge number of different groups
14. The Eurythmics-David A. Stewart and Annie Lennox are tailormade for an induction; their careers, both solo and in tandem, are the thing of legend
15. Mariah Carey-Part of me thinks the Hall might make her wait a year or two, but with Janet and Whitney going back to back, there's definitely a shot of Ms. Carey getting her due ahead of a couple other worthy female pop acts who predate her
16. The Commodores-My other shot in the dark, since the Spinners and Meters are ignored year after year (and I'm a huge Spinners proponent and have been for a decade), Lionel Richie may be an appealing choice for the Nom Com
17. Rage Against the Machine-Tom Morello's group will be back in the spotlight this year. If not for actual enshrinement, at least for political notoriety in an election year
18. Dave Mathews Band-They got ditched and broke the fan kiosk trend, so they'll be returning. Bet on it.
19. Todd Rundgren-3rd time is the charm for the talented songwriter, or will he take the vaunted ME cat?
20. Snoop Dogg-One year I'll get this right. He is overlooked, and while his influence on pop culture has extensively been beyond his music catalog, he does close the door on the West Coast juggernauts of rap until Eminem becomes eligible in a couple years

What do you think? Yes, I know I omitted Foo Fighters. That was not an accident

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 01/22/2021 @ 17:43pm

Nick,
Most of the acts in your Top 20 I would say have a good chance. I like the Spinners a lot as a pick. They have a lot of classic hits under their belt and they were an exciting live act for a long time. I do hope they are inducted fairly soon. I can see Eurythmics being nominated and even inducted. I am not a fan at all. But they will surely be nominated again soon. I would rate them quite a bit lower. Other new wave acts like Duran Duran have a better chance. One of my favorite bands of all time is Jethro Tull. Ian Anderson continuously experimented and decided to bring the flute to his band and of course Aqualung and Thick as a Brick were among the biggest albums of the early 70s. They are important albums for progressive Rock. Songs from the Wood is another key album. I want Jethro Tull nominated as soon as possible.
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan and Oukast are others that I think will be nominated Very soon.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/22/2021 @ 19:18pm

My final predictions for the 2021 class!

The 70s:
Kraftwerk
Rufus/Chaka Khan
New York Dolls
Bad Company
John Prine

The 80s:
The B-52's
The Go-Go's
Pat and Neil
Eurythmics
Kool and the Gang

The 90s:
Soundgarden
Smashing Pumpkins
RATM

All Generational:
Tina Turner
Motörhead
Jay-Z

The Class:
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Pat and Neil
Smashing Pumpkins
RATM
The Go-Go's

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 01/22/2021 @ 21:15pm

Good choices, Plebian.

I am not going to go as far this year to reveal my inductee predictions until the nominees are official, but I do notice one thing about your list. For the first time in forever, you don't have a 70s classic rock band being inducted with this class. Pat Benatar is the closest thing, but she's ingrained in the 80s. I would be willing to bet a pretty penny that the RRHOF will stuff a 70s classic rock band, deserving or not, into the class just to satisfy the loud minority of classic rock purists. Your list, all in all would be a stellar class, but it would cause a certain group of RRHOF fans to scream like that delusional moron in Washington DC a couple weeks ago who dressed up like a buffalo.

I would like to see other final predictions relisted, not at richie's whirlwind repeating pace, but posted so we can look over our lists again and see who makes the most compelling cases for nomination and the subsequent head-scratching, or for a change of pace, praising, of the Nom Com when we do finally get there...it's been a long haul...

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 01:08am

Thanks, K-Dawg for the feedback!

I think the reason I did not feel to put the obligatory Classic Rock pick was that the Hall this year maybe wants to hit it hard with satisfying the newer generation and the critics of the past. The 2020 class kinda gave me hope that now they won't be bias towards genres that are not in touch with their rock purists fan base and decide to just go nuts now. Granted maybe I'm being wishfully ignorant, but it seems now the Hall wants to change its image as celebration of 20-21st century rock music and not be perceived as "The classic Rock playlist with a few exceptions" on Spotify. Bad Company may replace Smashing Pumpkins, but I think Billy and the gang have the upper edge in critics and albums which should get them to the finish line. I think you can guess why I chose the other five, but I digress.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 01:49am

Reposting my final predictions for 2021 nominees from October. Not changing anything because I'm just as likely to be wrong now as I was then. 18 noms feels like a good number to me:

1. Jay-Z - I'd be stunned if he wasn't in on the first ballot, but I've been stunned before.
2. Pat Benatar - Sure seems like they'd give Pat another shot, since she's one of the most noteworthy female rockers not inducted yet.
3. Smashing Pumpkins - Billy Corgan takes Trent Reznor's place as the tortured genius of the 90's on the ballot.
4. Kraftwerk - I think they'll keep appearing on the ballot until they finally get their due. They're on everyone's biggest snubs list.
5. Cyndi Lauper - Many think Mariah will fill the Janet Jackson/Whitney Houston spot, but I think they'll go with another pop queen who's been around since the mid-80's.
6. Duran Duran - It sure feels like it's their time following the inductions of the Cure and Depeche Mode.
7. Soundgarden - Dave Grohl will likely want them inducted before Foo Fighters get a nom.
8. Kool & The Gang - I toyed with the Commodores here, but went with Kool & the Gang just because they're more fun.
9. Big Star - MC5 doesn't seem to have the support so we'll pivot to another seminally influential band.
10. LL Cool J - I honestly can't understand why he keeps getting passed over, so I hope the committee will give him another shot.
11. Judas Priest - They get one more chance before Iron Maiden replaces them on the ballot
12. Beck - He seems to check all the boxes. He's innovative, influential, critically acclaimed, reverent of those who came before him, and has a couple iconic songs in "Loser" and "Where It's At".
13. Joe Cocker - One of the most iconic performers at the original Woodstock deserves at least a nomination.
14. Bad Company - Paul Rodgers has one of the best voices in rock and the band has a number of recognizable songs, similar to the Doobie Brothers.
15. Tina Turner - Lots of people think she should get in as a solo artist along with her existing induction and that makes a lot of sense. Her career revival in the 80's was arguably greater than her work with Ike.
16. Dave Matthews Band - Have to give them another chance after winning the fan vote, and they'd likely win it again but still not get inducted.
17. The B-52's - One of the most distinctive bands out there. Also one of the earliest artists to make it big on college rock stations.
18. Motorhead - I can see them being someone's pet project and fighting for them to come back for a second try.

11 first-time nominees; 7 previously nominated artists

Tough omissions: Rage Against the Machine, The Smiths, Foo Fighters, The Pointer Sisters, Foreigner, Outkast, Jethro Tull

Artists I'd love to see on the ballot but who probably don't stand much of a chance: KC and the Sunshine Band, Tommy James and the Shondells, Sinead O'Connor, Supertramp, Mary J. Blige, Tori Amos

Posted by Michael W on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 07:36am

Already made my prediction. I think this year's nominees will be similar to last year's but a with little more diversity. If Motley Crue gets nominated, they need to publicly apologize for rigging the kiosk. F*ck that "but they're banned" PC bullSh!t. Give the masses what they want the most or the next class will be a commercial failure. This is not the Hall of Social Justice.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 08:47am

Luckily, no one does!

Posted by EDS on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 09:33am

Motley Crue + Rock Hall = More money, more ratings, more crowds, and more ratings.

Rigging the kiosk + rigging the online fan ballot = No money, no ratings, and no crowds.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 09:37am

My final predictions for the 2021 nominees are:

The B-52's (FYN)
Pat Benatar (2nd Nom)
Dave Matthews Band (2nd Nom)
Devo (2nd Nom)
Eurythmics (2nd Nom)
Foo Fighters (FYE)
Iron Maiden (FYN)
Jay-Z (FYE)
Jethro Tull (FYN)
Kraftwerk (7th Nom)
MC5 (6th Nom)
New York Dolls (2nd Nom)
Rage Against The Machine (3rd Nom)
Rufus With Chaka Khan (5th Nom/7th Nom including Chaka solo)
Todd Rundgren (3rd Nom)
Thin Lizzy (2nd Nom)

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 12:18pm

Banned for Life ;-)

P.S. That would be a great album title.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 15:19pm

Take the ALABAMA challenge. Place Alabama against 10 Possible Nominees his cycle. Do the artists or bands you have listed have 40+ #1 Hits, Band of the 1980's, charted nearly 80 songs etc., sold millions of albums etc.? KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 15:46pm

Michael W.,

That is a really nice prediction list. I would be a happy camper indeed if the ballot looks anything like what you predicted.

Thoughts on your list:
Hope there is more 60s and 70s representation on the actual nominee list. I know there are wide differences of opinions about this on the site but I feel there are still several artists that need to be inducted from that time frame.

I doubt Judas Priest and Motorhead both get nods this year. Also not convinced about Kool and the Gang and Cyndi Lauper. Would be happy to see any of the above mentioned get nominated however. Just my opinion.

I feel LL Cool J will not be nominated this year. I'm also not as high on Smashing Pumpkins getting a nod yet. But with the change in direction this year (will there be a change in direction?) who knows.

Enjoy looking at everyone's lists. We've been waiting a long time for this year's slate and I can't wait to finally see it.

Posted by remy10 on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 16:08pm

No eligible act is "banned" from the Hall. When you try to do it, you lose money and crowds, and go bankrupt. Get woke, go broke.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 16:18pm

Remy10,

Not to gloat, but what do you think of mine?

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 16:41pm

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 16:45pm

KING A Late January Look At RRHOF Nominations (Jan 23,2021)
I've already finished my nominations months ago but a quick glance at what might happen.
70's Rock (4)
Bad Company
Blue Oyster Cult
Foreigner
Jethro Tull.
Any 4 of the combination would be excellent but I'll say Bad Company & Foreigner earn the nominations. I think they want Paul Rodgers inducted. It fits the Jeff Lynne, Mark Knopfler, Steve Miller kind of model. Respected musician in quality band.
1980's New Wave Umbrella (4)
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
The Go-Go's
The B-52s.
Most likely, Duran and Duran and The Go-Go's will earn a nomination. I think The Eurythmics and The B-52's will wait.
80's Heavy Metal/Hard Rock (7)
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Megadeth
Motley Crue
Motorhead
Ozzy Osbourne (Solo)
Scorpions
Man, this is difficult. All of them are deserving. There seems to be some support for Lemmy and Motorhead. They have been nominated once. The tough call is Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. Maybe, they decide to give Iron Maiden chance. Iron Maiden!
1960's (6)
Love
Peter, Paul & Mary
Procol Harum
The Guess Who
The Sonics
Tommy James & The Shondells.
Another difficult call. I'm shocked Peter, Paul, & Mary has never been nominated. Could be their 1st nomination. Everything would set up for Procol Harum as The Moody Blues and The Zombies have been inducted. Procol Harum has the support of a few of the Committee.
Country (7)
Alabama
Dolly Parton
Emmylou Harris
Garth Brooks
Gram Parsons
Patsy Cline
Willie Nelson
Another difficult choice. Willie Nelson is deep into his 80's now. I think he would be the choice although it's been many years for a country act to be inducted.
1990's Music (6)
Black Crowes
DMB
Rage Against The Machine
Smashing Pumpkins
Soundgarden
The Offspring
My guess DMB, Rage Against The Machine, and Soundgarden would get the nods. They all have nominations and good variety of music between the 3.
Women Singers And Pop (7)
Celine Dion
Cyndi Lauper
Diana Ross
Gloria Estefan
Mariah Carey
Sheryl Crow
Tina Turner
Another difficult round of cuts. Tina Turner's legendary status and advancing age give her the nod. Also a rare female 2x Inductee. Mariah Carey could be next up as Janet and Whitney have been inducted. She's sold millions of albums and was pioneering working with hip hop artists before it was cool and her unique whistle register.
Wildcards (6)
A Tribe Called Quest
Lenny Kravitz
Los Lobos
Steve Winwood
John Fogerty
Johnny Rivers
Here's a few artists or groups that could appear on the ballot not many are talking about. I also didn't think of a cool category for them since a few had long careers. Lenny Kravitz interests me because he is a musician of color and Prince-like in his talents. He plays many instruments and appears respected in the music industry. Many memorable songs. Steve Winwood, I'm leaning towards him because of his wondrous talents starting since 1963. Singer/Songwriter, Guitarist, Keyboards/Synthesizers. He seen and done it all in groups and a solo artist.
Rap (2)
Jay-Z
LL Cool J.
I think both will be nominated. Both are important in Rap.
1970's R&B (1)
I think Kool & The Gang will be the pick. 50+ years in the business. Numerous hit songs. Celebration, Cherish, Emergency, Jungle Boogie, Misled, etc. I think Bell's death gives them the nod. Many were shocked that Kool & The Gang had not been inducted when Bell passed away. Long overdue.
That's the quick King look at things. How the Committee might go.
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 01/23/2021 @ 19:02pm

Plebian,

I think you have a very good list. I think we are all curious as to how much/how little things change under the new management. The world has changed quite a bit in the last 16 months or so.

I am personally hoping for The New York Dolls, The Eurythmics and Soundgarden so I hope those come to pass. You pick a lot of good names.

Not convinced we will see Bad Company, Kool and the Gang or the return of John Prine but all are reasonable guesses. I didn't predict The Foo Fighters either but I kind of hope they get nominated.

Hopefully we find out the nominees soon!

Posted by remy10 on Sunday, 01/24/2021 @ 07:34am

My final predictions for the 2021 nominees (I'm going with a more modern ballot this year since John Sykes is now in charge of the Rock Hall) are:

Alice In Chains
Beck
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Motorhead
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths
Soundgarden

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/24/2021 @ 11:03am

Plebian, you missed ABBA. They got in in 2010.

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 01/24/2021 @ 15:50pm

Since my original prediction list was apparently not posted, here is another try, this time without the comments:

Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
The Go-Gos
Mariah Carey
Carpenters
Jethro Tull
Beck
Smashing Pumpkins
John Prine
Kraftwerk
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
Eurythmics
Tina Turner

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 01/24/2021 @ 15:56pm

Mike,

Yeah, I ranked ABBA a solid B. Did you see the post? I will repost in case those forgot to see my 2010 class rankings

S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

The Stooges-A
Genesis-A
ABBA-B
Jimmy Cliff-C
The Hollies-C

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 01/24/2021 @ 16:27pm

RG: One possible correction: Wouldn't Ireland have two--U2 and Van Morrison?

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 01/24/2021 @ 17:36pm

Also one from Scotland, Dire Straits.

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 01/24/2021 @ 17:39pm

Joe,

U2 is the only band from the Republic of Ireland, Van Morrison is from Northern Ireland and is counted under UK.

Dire Straits - Scotland is counted under UK regardless, but are they Scottish? I know the Knopflers were born in Glasgow, but from what I can tell they were raised in Newcastle and the band got its start in London. For that list, I went with where the artist/band got their start as professional musicians rather than where they were brought up. I'm not super familiar with Dire Straits' story, so if I got something wrong I'm happy to correct it.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 01/24/2021 @ 18:29pm

Valentine's Day a good guess for announcement?

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 01/26/2021 @ 01:47am

Here's my objective rankings of each class from 1995 - 2020, For this i'll be giving the performers a number rank out of 10 based on influence, innovation, critcial acclaim, groundbreaking success etc.

1995:
The Allman Brothers Band - 9/10
Al Green - 8/10
Janis Joplin - 10/10
Led Zeppelin - 10/10
Martha and The Vandellas - 8/10
Neil Young - 10/10
Frank Zappa - 10/10

1996:
David Bowie - 10/10
Gladys Knight & The Pips - 7/10
Jefferson Airplane - 9/10
Little Willie John - 7/10
Pink Floyd - 10/10
The Shirelles - 9/10
The Velvet Underground - 10/10

1997:
The Bee Gees - 9/10
Buffalo Springfield - 7/10
Crosby, Stills & Nash - 8/10
The Jackson 5 - 9/10
Joni Mitchell - 9/10
Parliament - Funkadelic - 10/10
The (Young) Rascals - 5/10

1998:
Eagles - 10/10
Fleetwood Mac - 8/10
The Mamas & The Papas - 7/10
Lloyd Price - 4/10
Santana - 8/10
Gene Vincent - 8/10

1999:
Billy Joel - 8/10
Curtis Mayfield - 9/10
Paul McCartney - 8/10
Del Shannon - 6/10
Dusty Springfield - 7/10
Bruce Springsteen - 10/10
The Staple Singers - 8/10

2000:
Eric Clapton - 10/10
Earth, Wind & Fire - 8/10
The Lovin' Spoonful - 5/10
The Moonglows - 7/10
Bonnie Raitt - 8/10
James Taylor - 9/10

2001:
Aerosmith - 9/10
Solomon Burke - 7/10
The Flamingos - 6/10
Michael Jackson - 10/10
Queen - 10/10
Paul Simon - 8/10
Steely Dan - 9/10
Ritchie Valens - 7/10

2002:
Isaac Hayes - 7/10
Brenda Lee - 6/10
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - 9/10
Gene Pitney - 5/10
Ramones - 10/10
Talking Heads - 10/10

2003:
AC/DC - 9/10
The Clash - 10/10
Elvis Costello & The Attractions - 9/10
The Police - 10/10
Righteous Brothers - 7/10

2004:
Jackson Browne - 7/10
The Dells - 5/10
George Harrison - 8/10
Prince - 10/10
Bob Seger - 7/10
Traffic - 7/10
ZZ Top - 8/10

2005:
Buddy Guy - 9/10
The O'Jays - 7/10
The Pretenders - 8/10
Percy Sledge - 2/10
U2 - 10/10

2006:
Black Sabbath - 10/10
Blondie - 8/10
Miles Davis - 10/10
Lynyrd Skynyrd - 8/10
Sex Pistols - 9/10

2007:
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - 8/10
R.E.M - 10/10
The Ronettes - 6/10
Patti Smith - 9/10
Van Halen - 9/10

2008:
The Dave Clark Five - 5/10
Leonard Cohen - 7/10
Madonna - 10/10
John Mellencamp - 7/10
The Ventures - 7/10

2009:
Jeff Beck - 7/10
Little Anthony & The Imperials - 7/10
Metallica - 10/10
Run - D.M.C - 10/10
Bobby Womack - 7/10

2010:
ABBA - 7/10
Genesis - 8/10
Jimmy Cliff - 4/10
The Hollies - 5/10
The Stooges - 9/10

2011:
Alice Cooper - 8/10
Neil Diamond - 7/10
Dr. John - 5/10
Darlene Love - 4/10
Tom Waits - 8/10

2012:
Beastie Boys - 9/10
Donovan - 7/10
Guns N' Roses - 10/10
Laura Nyro - 5/10
Red Hot Chili Peppers - 8/10
The Small Faces/Faces - 6/10

2013:
Heart - 7/10
Albert King - 9/10
Randy Newman - 6/10
Public Enemy - 10/10
Rush - 8/10
Donna Summer - 7/10

2014:
Peter Gabriel - 8/10
Hall & Oates - 7/10
Kiss - 7/10
Nirvana - 10/10
Linda Ronstadt - 7/10
Cat Stevens - 5/10

2015:
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - 4/10
Green Day - 8/10
Joan Jett & The Heartbreakers - 5/10
Lou Reed - 8/10
Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble - 7/10
Bill Withers - 7/10

2016:
Cheap Trick - 6/10
Chicago - 5/10
Deep Purple - 8/10
N.W.A -9/10
Steve Miller - 5/10

2017:
Joan Baez - 7/10
ELO - 5/10
Journey - 3/10
Pearl Jam - 10/10
Tupac Shakur - 10/10
Yes -7/10

2018:
Bon Jovi - 3/10
The Cars - 7/10
Dire Straits - 7/10
The Moody Blues - 6/10
Nina Simone - 8/10

2019:
The Cure - 8/10
Def Leppard - 6/10
Janet Jackson - 9/10
Stevie Nicks - 5/10
Radiohead - 10/10
Roxy Music - 8/10
The Zombies - 5/10

2020:
Depeche Mode - 7/10
The Doobie Brothers - 6/10
Whitney Houston - 9/10
Nine Inch Nails - 9/10
The Notorious B.I.G - 8/10
T. Rex - 8/10

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Tuesday, 01/26/2021 @ 04:57am

RG: Thanks for letting me know! (I suppose it's all objective.)

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 01/26/2021 @ 07:28am

3 weeks until we learn.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 01/27/2021 @ 01:02am

Duran duran have been eligibale since 2006 com on guys . They defined MTV and influenced so many young artists.My list would be

1.DURAN DURAN
2.TEARS FOR FEARS
3.BILLY IDOL
3.SIMPLE MINDS
4.PETSHOP BOYS
5.A-HA
6.INXS
7.CULTURE CLUB
8.WHAM/GEORGE MICHEAL

Posted by norman on Wednesday, 01/27/2021 @ 11:32am

Still excited about Nick's list and still hoping Kraftwerk isn't number one.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/27/2021 @ 20:44pm

I, likewise, await Nick's final installment, however, no disrespect intended and I understand your feelings, Follower, but I think Kraftwerk SHOULD be number one ;)

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 01/27/2021 @ 23:22pm

Another Rock Hall hint! They posted something about Soundgarden on their Twitter. Possible return or just for fun?

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 01/28/2021 @ 13:52pm

I see that as a teaser. Another nomination for Soundgarden will happen. If Dave Grohl decides to hold himself and the rest of the Foo Fighters out for a while, then they're more likely to receive an induction for this year.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/28/2021 @ 14:11pm

I'm not putting much stock in the "they're intentionally dropping hints on Twitter" theory, honestly.

That said, I think that Soundgarden will return to the ballot this year, and has a significant chance of getting in, depending on what other 90s Alternative bands end up on the ballot.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 01/28/2021 @ 14:16pm

RG,

Maybe, but hey if Joel Peresman can name drop Depeche Mode, T-Rex, and Biggie Smalls like it was nothing and then have those EXACT names be the nominees AND inductees of 2020, anything is possible.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 01/28/2021 @ 14:28pm

Assuming five-seven acts per class, and ten more years, Who do you guys see being the next 50-60 acts inducted into the Rock Hall to be in some order?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/28/2021 @ 21:25pm

Don't know if anyone noticed this, but Motorhead's nominee page is still up despite all of the other nominees from last year's pages being down. https://www.rockhall.com/motorhead

I'd say it'd be safe to bet on them getting nominated this year.

Posted by Skylanderlord3 on Friday, 01/29/2021 @ 12:58pm

Thin Lizzy still has a better shot. The votes are far from there for Motörhead. In order for them to get inducted, you need not only TL, but also Blue Oyster Cult, Scorpions and Judas Priest. If that ain't enough, throw in Iron Maiden, Motley Crue (f*ck the "they're banned" PC bullshit!), and Boston.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/29/2021 @ 14:08pm

It's here: The final installment of my Prospects Project: #10-1

Thank you to everyone who kept up with it and it's much appreciated. Now the list is finally revealed, let the debates begin.

https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject10-1

Posted by Nick on Friday, 01/29/2021 @ 15:26pm

Freakin' called Tina Turner!

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 01/29/2021 @ 15:47pm

A worthy top ten, Nick! All of them undeniably huge artists and snubs. For my personal music taste, I am very glad to see Tina at #1, as well as Kate Bush, RATM, and Outkast as high as they are.

A few questions, since you noted that you're going to answer some reader questions in your post-mortem installment:

Where would the artists inducted in the Class of 2020 have fallen on your list, had you made it before that class was announced?

Do you plan to update this list regularly as more artists get inducted and become eligible? I'm sure it was a lot of work, so I wouldn't blame you for not wanting to tackle quite as major of a project on a regular basis, but I would love to see how this list develops as artists get inducted and are removed/become eligible and are added, even if its just a short addendum covering the added artists.

Did you have any honorable mentions/artists that you really wanted to include but ended up having to cut?

Thanks again for posting!

Posted by RG on Friday, 01/29/2021 @ 16:31pm

Hey The Dude,

What was your Magnificent Seven again?

Wanna give my update on this special thing you created awhile back.

1. Rage Against The Machine

2. The Smiths

3. Smashing Pumpkins

4. Big Star

5. Gram Parsons

6. Foo Fighters (now eligible!)

7. Joy Division/ New Order

And here is my dreaded Sinister Six

1. Boston

2. Pat Boone

3. Mariah Carey

4. Styx

5. Grand Funk Railroad

6. Alanis Morissette

Feel free to agree or disagree

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 01/29/2021 @ 17:28pm

I haven't finished reading yet, but thank you for not putting Kraftwerk at number one!

Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/29/2021 @ 19:05pm

Plebian,

Out of your predictions for the 2021 nominees, I think the inductees will be based on recent trends:

Bad Company (this year's Def Leppard/Stevie Nicks/The Zombies/The Doobie Brothers)
Eurythmics (this year's The Cure/Depeche Mode)
Jay-Z (this year's The Notorious B.I.G.)
New York Dolls (this year's Roxy Music/T. Rex)
Rage Against The Machine (this year's Radiohead/Nine Inch Nails)
Tina Turner (this year's Janet Jackson/Whitney Houston)

As much as I love Pat Benatar and The Go-Go's, I think that if they both get nominated this year, I think that they would both cancel each other out, and also, As much as I love Smashing Pumpkins, I think that Billy Corgan's personality and attitude will hurt their chances for getting inducted FYN, so I think that it will take them 2-3 tries before getting inducted.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/29/2021 @ 23:29pm

For me, this is currently my Magnificent Seven.

Motley Crue, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden, MC5, and Jethro Tull

As for my Sinister Six

REO Speedwagon, Garth Brooks, Loverboy, Supertramp, The Backstreet Boys, and Matchbox Twenty.

I'll only change my list when some of the names I've mentioned gets inducted. While I do have some names I certainly don't want, but don't expect me to be mad and upset about them getting the most demands from the general public. I'm not a shellfish Hall watcher like some are in the community, because I understand more what people want when they engage and connect to someone or somebody in order to be happy. I have no problems seeing more diversity in the Hall, I just hate that are too many politics over there rather than having more apolitical aspects cause it's gives people a reason not to go there to have their own enjoyment, and it's also not a good business move too, especially when it comes to tokenism on certain acts' views and opinions. That's the point of the phrase "Get woke, go broke."

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/29/2021 @ 23:51pm

Richie,

Yeah, that sounds about right.

The Dude,

I agree that despite my distaste for some acts, I would not be too mad for them being included (Except Pat Boone. HARD NO on that pick)

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 01/30/2021 @ 00:38am

Great list Nick. I would have put Kraftwerk one obviously, and Tina Turner second.

I am not as high on the Smiths as some are, mainly due to their brevity and the fact I think the Eurythmics, INXS, Joy Division/New Order, and especially Duran Duran are a league above them in terms of reputation and legacy. I do admit, I'm not as familiar with them beyond "How Soon Is Now" and Morrissey's solo career, but I think the others should go in before the Smiths take a turn. You can call me crazy, but that's my own opinion ;)

As far as this "Magnificent Seven" and "Sinister Six" go, I'll throw in my contemporary list

Magnificent Seven: Bad Company, Kraftwerk, Smashing Pumpkins, Iron Maiden, the Monkees, Eurythmics, and Outkast

Sinister Six: Styx, Boston, the Carpenters, Menudo (trying to squeeze Ricky Martin in there), Juice Newton and Ted Nugent. Damn, this is hard!

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 01/30/2021 @ 02:55am

I like Matchbox 20! Have seen them & they put on a great show! Think they have a case. Not a great one, need to put out 2 or more great albums to have a 'solid case', but a fine band with great songs like:

Push
She's So Mean
Put Your Hands Up
How Long

As you can see, they do need more great songs.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 01/30/2021 @ 09:25am

Since, Nick had ranked Tina Turner in the pole position of his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Projects" list, once again here is my list.

Since Garrus had mentioned Pat Benatar, once again here is my list.

Since Plebian had asked and since Nick had mentioned Sade, in his latest installment of the "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project," I thought that I would once again, post my 2021 nominees list.

Since, KING had mentioned The Bangles and since Nick Bambach has listed them at #96 on his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects List," I thought that I would once again provide a portion of my 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees list.

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and for the most part- the end of the nearly 52 year old entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the outrageously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and 3 months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest (at least, Red Lobster had kept the Lobster Lover's Dream on the menu). But I have been informed that Lobsterfest will be back on February 1, 2021.

I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy), my discovery of the music of Wobbler (a symphonic progressive rock band from Norway) and the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode (whose work is now beginning to appeal to me), The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G. did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever.

Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. Nick Bambach has more information about these ladies, in case you are interested, please check out his
"The Audio-Visual Repertory: Perspectives On Popular Culture" blog.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, Episode 46: "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having had a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Here are my top 7 choices from my list:

1. Tina Turner (solo)
2. Sade
3. Carly Simon
4. Pat Benatar
5. The Bangles
6. Duran Duran (Including touring members- Anna Ross and Dom Brown)
7. Jethro Tull

In my honest opinion, such an induction, would definitely change preconceptions about the Rock Hall being chauvinistic and misogynistic and help to create a little more parity between the sexes.

If 8: add Kool & The Gang

If 9: add the B-52s

If 10: add Joy Division/New Order

Now, everybody should be happy.

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The rest of the nominees:

11. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
12. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
13. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
14. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
15. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
16. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
17. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
18. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
19. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
20. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
21. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would definitely be more inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
22. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is very important to the younger generation.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/30/2021 @ 15:22pm

Yeah, I'll jump on this trend

Magnificent Seven
Kate Bush, Outkast, Devo, The B-52's, A Tribe Called Quest, Rage Against the Machine, Tina Turner

Sinister Six
Bryan Adams, REO Speedwagon, Styx, Ted Nugent, Poison, Sugar Ray

Posted by RG on Saturday, 01/30/2021 @ 15:50pm

I will also take a stab at the Magnificent Seven, which appears to be personal favorites that may be within reach of a nomination/induction, but not necessarily in the immediate future,,

Magnificent Seven
Blue Oyster Cult, Buzzcocks, Kool and The Gang, Thin Lizzy(w/Gary Moore), Scorpions, John Denver, The B-52's

Sinister Six
Motley Crue, Backstreet Boys, Mariah Carey, The Village People, Dave Matthews Band, Pet Shop Boys

Had to cut Rainbow from the M7..

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Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 01/30/2021 @ 18:41pm

Another Rock Haller dead, another change to the list of living members. (Or in the cases of 2010-2020, dead members). Now there are 14 members of the class of 1994 alive. Currently the most alive class is 2017, with only Chris Squire and Tupac Shakur dead. The deadest class is 1987, while both it and 1986 have only two living members, 1987 had more inductees. In addition, only one performer from 1987 is still alive, while two from 1986 are alive.

1986: 2/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis and Don Everly)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 10/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Mary Wilson, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 9/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Charlie Watts, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 23/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Calvin Simon, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 20/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Lloyd Price, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 5/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Mavis Staples, and Pervis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 10/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2007: 16/19 (Everyone but Cowboy, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen are alive.)
2008: 7/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Don Wilson, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 13 or 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson. It is unknown if Glouster "Nat" Rogers is alive or dead.)

And from 2010 and onward, the dead members will be listed, aside from 2012:

2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2012: 30 or 31/70 (In this case, I'll list the living ones: Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Joey Ambrose, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Norman Thrasher, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, all seven members in Guns N Roses, every Chili Pepper other than Hillel Slovak [7 members], Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, and Glyn Johns. It is unknown if Charles Sutton is alive or dead.)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 20/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 01/30/2021 @ 20:43pm

Nick,
I can't really disagree with your Top 10. Carole King is a terrific singer/songwriter. She needs to be nominated for her solo work. With Tapestry Carole King achieved superstardom. You got a nice write up.
Rage Against the Machine and Kate Bush certainly make sense in the Top 10. Judas Priest of course represents Metal perfectly. They created the groundwork for lots of Metal bands. LL Cool J is good Old school Rap that should be inducted. I see Kraftwerk is #3 Not #1. The Smiths are very high up at #2. They were one of the key indie rock groups.
Ahh Tina Turner is #1. She finally hit her stride with the release of the huge seller Private Dancer (1984), an album that made her more popular and famous than ever before. Think how radical Turner's comeback in the mid 80s was. Tina Turner is perfect at #1. .I am very glad to see Tina at #1 and also dig that Carole King and Judas Priest are in the Top 10. Thank you for posting this Top 100.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 01/31/2021 @ 06:35am

Sparks. If there not in here they should be . Creatively they hold there own in the choppy waters of the music industry or what ever you call it .

Posted by Dave martin on Sunday, 01/31/2021 @ 16:19pm

There are 5 acts who have finished in the top 5 of the fan vote without getting inducted. They are, in order of first nomination, Judas Priest, Todd Rundgren, Dave Matthews Band, Pat Benatar, and Soundgarden. Which of these do you guys think has the best chance at getting nominated this year?

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 01/31/2021 @ 16:42pm

Thanks RG! Excellent questions and I'll answer those in my next blog next; got a few of them already, but happy to take more (either on here or on my site).

K Dawg, thanks! Kraftwerk was never pegged to be #1; Follower kept saying that and of course I couldn't say anything to build some suspense for the rankings. It would've been too predictable to make them #1. Plus I really believe Tina is the bigger omission and the most urgent matter that the Nom Com should focus on. The Smiths are an interesting case study; they're just too important and influential on modern alternative rock to not be this high on the list. Some of the names you mention have their pluses and minuses (for example, Joy Divison/New Order, while #9 on my list, is still bit Eurocentric for the American-based Rock Hall despite their massive influence; Eurythmics and Duran Duran are more populist New Wave choices that are absolutely worthy and likely to get a Nom any year now [essentially too big to ignore]; INXS were never liked by critics as a whole despite their huge popularity in the mid-to-late 80s. They'll have to wait until at least half-dozen of their era's contemporaries get in before they're even in the conversation. And this is coming from an INXS fan and they appeared at one point on my list when I was drafting it last year) but all worthy nevertheless.

Ben, thank you for the kind words. And I'm happy you're pleased Tina is #1. She's simply the best.

And btw, I'm allergic to Shellfish.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 01/31/2021 @ 18:00pm

Follower,

I'm about to post a final prediction list, but I predict that all of those artists except for Dave Matthews Band will end up on this years ballot.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 01/31/2021 @ 18:55pm

In 2004, critic J. Eric Smith did a March Madness-like tournament to find the Worst Rock Band Ever. It's still viewed to this day. Let's see which of the bands are in the hall now! If they were inducted before 2004, an asterisk will be next to their name. I'll also mention how far into the tournament they got! The "Winner" is not in the Hall of Fame, by the way.

"Bubble Team" of bands that qualified (5 Million Records Sold) but don't really belong in a worst Band Ever Contest:
AC/DC*
The Beatles*
Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young*
The Doors*
The Eagles*
Earth, Wind and Fire*
Fleetwood Mac*
Led Zeppelin*
Lynyrd Skynyrd*
Bob Marley and the Wailers* ("Name and the Band" counted as bands for him.)
Pink Floyd*
Queen*
The Rolling Stones*
Sly and the Family Stone*
U2

Since this is a negative tournament, the bands that defeated them are considered worse. As an example, since Boston was deemed as the worst act between Boston and Aerosmith, Boston defeated Aerosmith.

Aerosmith* (Defeated by Boston in Round 2)
Genesis (Defeated by Heart in Round 1)
Heart (Defeated by Journey in Round 2)
Journey (Defeated by Boston in Round 3)
Van Halen (Defeated by Journey in Round 1)
Bon Jovi (Reached the Final Four, tied with matchbox twenty)
Dire Straits (Defeated by Bon Jovi in Round 1)
Guns N Roses (Defeated by Bon Jovi in Round 2)
Steve Miller Band (Defeated by Guns N Roses in Round 1)
Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers* (Defeated by REO Speedwagon in Round 1)
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band* (Defeated by Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band in Round 1)
Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band* (Defeated by REO Speedwagon in Round 2)
The Cars (Defeated by Blink-182 in Round 1)
Green Day (Defeated by Blink-182 in Round 2)
Metallica (Defeated by Limp Bizkit in Round 1)
Doobie Brothers (Defeated by Counting Crows in Round 1)
Santana* (Defeated by Dave Matthews Band in Round 1)
ZZTop* (Lost to Spin Doctors in Round 1)
Beastie Boys (Defeated by Linkin Park in Round 2)
Bee Gees* (Defeated Beastie Boys in Round 1)
Prince and the Revolution* (Defeated by Sublime in Round 2)
The Police* (Defeated by Prince and the Revolution in Round 1)
Red Hot Chilli Peppers (Defeated by Sublime in Round 1)
Chicago (Defeated by The Cranberries in Round 1)
Nirvana (Defeated by Staind in Round 2)
Pearl Jam (Defeated by Nirvana in Round 1)

So of the 79 participants, 31 of them are in the Hall.

Participants not in the Hall:
Bad Company
Foreigner
Blink-182
Korn
Limp Bizkit
No Doubt
Offspring
Motley Crue
Poison
Skid Row
Quiet Riot
Stone Temple Piolets
Soundgarden
Whitesnake
Black Crowes
Blues Traveler
Counting Crows
Dave Matthews Band
Spin Doctors
INXS
Linkin Park
Sublime
The Cranberries
Hootie and the Blowfish
Huey Lewis and the News
Matchbox 20
Men At Work
Tears for Fears
Third Eye Blind
Bush
Creed
Live
Nickelback
Smashing Pumpkins
Staind

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 01:34am

This guy sounds like an ***hole

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 02:00am

To be fair, it was the better part of 20 years ago. Here it is!

https://jericsmith.com/2010/10/04/the-worst-rock-band-ever/

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 03:15am

More proof most music journalists are hipsters and media shills who have no knowledge in business.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 07:13am

Follower,

At least he had the sense not to include Rush, Yes, or The Moody Blues as the worst band.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 07:31am

Since, Nick had ranked Tina Turner in the pole position of his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Projects" list, once again here is my list.

Since Garrus had mentioned Pat Benatar, once again here is my list.

Since Plebian had asked and since Nick had mentioned Sade, in his latest installment of the "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project," I thought that I would once again, post my 2021 nominees list.

Since, KING had mentioned The Bangles and since Nick Bambach has listed them at #96 on his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects List," I thought that I would once again provide a portion of my 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees list.

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and for the most part- the end of the nearly 52 year old entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the outrageously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and 3 months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest (at least, Red Lobster had kept the Lobster Lover's Dream on the menu). However, I have been informed that Lobsterfest will be back on February 1 and hopefully the Lobster Lover's Dream will remain on their menu forever.

I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy), my discovery of the music of Wobbler (a symphonic progressive rock band from Norway- whose work I have definitely been extremely impressed by), cooking with Le Creuset tagines and a Staub cocotte and of course, the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode (whose work is now beginning to appeal to me), The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G. did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever.

Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. Nick Bambach has more information about these ladies, in case you are interested, please check out his
"The Audio-Visual Repertory: Perspectives On Popular Culture" blog.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, Episode 46: "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having had a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Here are my top 7 choices from my list:

1. Tina Turner (solo) (not prog)
2. Sade (prog adjacent)
3. Carly Simon (prog adjacent)
4. Pat Benatar (not prog)
5. The Bangles (more prog adjacent)
6. Duran Duran (Including touring members- Anna Ross and Dom Brown) (crossover prog)
7. Jethro Tull (Classic prog)

In my honest opinion, such an induction, would definitely change preconceptions about the Rock Hall being chauvinistic and misogynistic and help to create a little more parity between the sexes.

If 8: add Kool & The Gang

If 9: add the B-52s

If 10: add Joy Division/New Order

Now, everybody should be really happy.

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The rest of the nominees:

11. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
12. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
13. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
14. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
15. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
16. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
17. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
18. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
19. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
20. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
21. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would definitely be much more inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
22. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is very important to the younger generation.
23. Eurythmics- okay, I agree that their first several albums are great also, but do I like Duran Duran more? Yes, I most definitely do.

So, who wins out?

Those remarkable ladies and of course, the two major prog bands.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 07:55am

February has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 12:09pm

I'm expecting the nominees (and the kiosk to get rigged again by the Nom Com Idiots. Ugh!) to be reveal a day or two before Ash Wednesday.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 13:55pm

I agree, 2/15 or 2/16 seems the most likely.

Was there even a kiosk this year, with the museum either closed or under heavy social distancing restrictions?

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 14:03pm

It was used before the pandemic, so the kiosk was down for a while. I wouldn't be surprised if it's back on again. Unsurprisingly, Motley Crue is number one thanks to their biopic movie on Netflix, which well-received by fans and movie watchers alike. If you go to Rotten Tomatoes, it currently has 94 percent ratings from the Audience.

And if it does not get postponed again/canceled, Motley will also be on tour this year along with Joan Jett, Poison, and Def Leppard.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 14:19pm

I think that the 2021 nominees will be announced on Tuesday, February 16, because Monday, February 15 is a federal holiday in the US, It's President's Day over there in the States, so I think that this year's nominees will be announced on Tuesday, February 16.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 14:49pm

If it's gonna be announced on Mardi Gras, maybe we'll get an eligible act from New Orleans nominated like if they wanna go with the Meters again.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 14:53pm

I hate to beat a dead horse, but FRL still hasn't posted their official picks. They'd better get on the ball. We won't have more than a minute to analyze their selections while we've critiqued each other to hell and back.

If Motley Crue doesn't get a nod this year, there might be a (metaphorical) riot...

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 14:54pm

Happy February! Final prediction time! I'm going to provide my list of 16 nominees, 6 inductees, and special categories:

16 NOMINEES
1. Bad Company (Eligible since 1999, First Nomination)
2. Duran Duran (Eligible since 2006, First Nomination)
3. Foo Fighters (First Year Eligible)
4. The Go-Go's (Eligible Since 2005, First Nomination)
5. Jay-Z (First Year Eligible)
6. Jethro Tull (Eligible Since 1993, First Nomination)
7. Judas Priest (Eligible Since 1999, Third Nomination)
8. Kool & The Gang (Eligible Since 1994, First Nomination)
9. Kraftwerk (Eligible Since 1995, Seventh Nomination)
10. Mariah Carey (Eligible Since 2016, First Nomination)
11. Pat Benatar (Eligible Since 1999, Second Nomination)
12. Rage Against the Machine (Eligible Since 2017, Third Nomination)
13. Rufus w/ Chaka Khan (Eligible Since 1999, Fifth Nomination/Seventh Including Chaka Khan Solo)
14. Soundgarden (Eligible Since 2011, Second Nomination)
15. Todd Rundgren (Eligible Since 1995, Third Nomination)
16. Toots & the Maytals (Eligible Since 1988, First Nomination)

6 INDUCTEES
1. Bad Company
2. Duran Duran
3. The Go-Go's
4. Jay-Z
5. Mariah Carey
6. Rage Against the Machine

I also think that since we got two industry guys inducted last year, and a seventh Performer inductee in 2019, we are due for both an Early Influence and a Musical Excellence inductee this year:

EARLY INFLUENCE
Big Mama Thornton

MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Todd Rundgren

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 16:54pm

My absolute official final predictions for the 2021 nominees (which by the way is the same as Charles Crossley Jr.'s list) are:

The B-52's (Eligible since 2003, First Nomination)
Pat Benatar (Eligible since 1999, Second Nomination)
Dave Matthews Band (Eligible since 2018, Second Nomination)
Devo (Eligible since 2002, Second Nomination)
Eurythmics (Eligible since 2006, Second Nomination)
Foo Fighters (First Year Eligible)
The Go-Go's (Eligible since 2005, First Nomination)
Jay-Z (First Year Eligible)
Judas Priest (Eligible since 1999, Third Nomination)
Kraftwerk (Eligible since 1995, Seventh Nomination)
MC5 (Eligible since 1991, Sixth Nomination)
Motorhead (Eligible since 2002, Second Nomination)
Rufus With Chaka Khan (Eligible since 1998, Fifth Nomination/Seventh Including Chaka Khan Solo)
Todd Rundgren (Eligible since 1995, Third Nomination)
Smashing Pumpkins (Eligible since 2015, First Nomination)
Tina Turner (Eligible since 1998, First Nomination)

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 17:49pm

RG,

As much as I love Mariah Carey, I just don't see her getting nominated this year, I think that they will nominate Tina Turner first before they nominate Mariah as far as Pop Divas go, Plus, Tina has been previously considered and Mariah hasn't so I think that it's more likely that we will see Tina on this year's ballot than Mariah.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 18:05pm

My Top 100 Artists That Deserve To Be Nominated List(including newly eligible for 2021)
1.) Jay-Z
2.) Pat Benatar
3.) Kraftwerk
4.)Tina Turner
5.) Judas Priest
6.) Duran Duran
7.) Mariah Carey
8.) The Smiths
9.) Rage Against The Machine
10.) LL Cool J
11.) Dave Matthews Band
12.) Outkast
13.) Iron Maiden
14.) Foreigner
15.) Joy Division/New Order
16.) Foo Fighters
17.) Soundgarden
18.) Jethro Tull
19.) Beck
20.) The Eurythmics
21.) Carole King
22.) Warren Zevon
23.) Chic
24.) Rufus with Chaka Khan
25.) Oasis
26.) Todd Rundgren
27.) The B-52's
28.) The Spinners
29.) Motley Crue
30.) The Go-Go's
31.) Cher
32.) Boston
33.) Phil Collins
34.) Kool & The Gang
35.) Eric B. & Rakim
36.) George Michael
37.) Willie Nelson
38.) Motorhead
39.) MC5's
40.) Salt N PepaSheryl
41.) Snoop Dogg
42.) Weezer
43.) Devo
44.) Carly Simon
45.) War
46.) The Monkees
47.) Dionne Warwick
48.) Dr. Dre
49.) The New York Dolls
50.) Sheryl Crow
51.) Joe Cocker
52.) Cyndi Lauper
53.) King Crimson
54.) A Tribe Called Quest
55.) Thin Lizzy
56.) Alanis Morrissette
57.) Ozzy Osborne
58.) Daft Punk
59.) Mary J. Blige
60.) The Jam
61.) No Doubt
62.) Pet Shop Boys
63.) De La Soul
64.) Frank Sinatra(more likely Early Influencer)
65.) John Coltrane(more likely Early Influencer)
66.) Sting
67.) Bad Company
68.) Culture Club
69.) Squeeze
70.) Billy Idol
71.) J. Geils Band
72.) Patsy Cline
73.) Lionel Richie
74.) Steppenwolf
75.) Little Feat
76.) Procol Harum
77.) Usher
78.) Lenny Kravitz
79.) Blue Oyster Cult
80.) Emerson, Lake & Palmer
81.) Chaka Khan
82.) Babyface
83.) Kate Bush
84.) Dolly Parton
85.) Jane's Addiction
86.) TLC
87.) Meatloaf
88.) Harry Nilsson
89.) Gram Parsons
90.) ABC
91.) Kenny Rogers
92.) The Fugees
93.) Ben E. King
94.) Blur
95.) Glen Campbell
96.) Megadeth
97.) Kansas
98.) Grand Funk Railroad
99.) Three Dog Night
100.) Arrested Development
101.) Afrika Bambaataa

Posted by PAUL BATTAGLIA on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 19:00pm

I know it's a bit late, but I'll add my Magnificent 7:

LL Cool J, Duran Duran, Beck, The Pixies, Alice In Chains, Joe Cocker, Tori Amos

And my Sinister Six:

Mariah Carey (Far and away the most sinister for me), The Smiths (They're totally deserving, but I just can't stand them), Cake, Poison, Bush, Bobby Brown

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 19:33pm

Last time Sinister Sixes came up, this was the general consensus:

Air Supply
STYX
Backstreet Boys
REO Speedwagon
Pat Boone
Justin Bieber

My current sinister six includes three of them (STYX, Pat Boone, and Backstreet Boys). I don't see a point in inculding artists that aren't old enough yet, so the other 3 are: Solo Freddie Mercury, J. Geils Band, and Garth Brooks.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 19:49pm

BREAKING NEWS: Sirius XM DJ Rachel Steele confirms that the Foo Fighters will be nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2021. Steele, who holds shows on both Classic Vinyl and Classic Rewind, stated that the nominations would come out THIS week before playing "What You Need" by INXS, a group that is under (and this is from other sources) HUGE consideration for nomination this year. She also stated on her show, "Let's go with our girl, future Rock and Roll Hall of Famer Pat Benatar," before playing Benatar's 1980 hit single "Hit Me with Your Best Shot" (no pun intended). This clears out three spaces on everybody's predictions list, and to only make this statement truer, Steele broadcasts at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So, cross off three out of sixteen (or less, or more) and here are my predictions:

1. Alice in Chains: Alice in Chains is one of the big four bands of grunge, and their album Dirt was among the best of the entire 1990s. (Spoiler Alert: Soundgarden is also on this list).

2. Bad Company: Listen to Paul Rodgers' voice. It's better than Robert Plant's!

3. Pat Benatar: (Read the introduction).

4. Blue Oyster Cult: What can you expect? Everybody's burnin' (out the day, burnin' out the night) for this great band to be inducted.

5. The B-52s: If Donna Summer can be inducted, the B-52s can get inducted. They're not rock and roll, but they rock harder than Jay-Z.

6. Dave Matthews Band: If you win the fan vote but you lose the induction, you'll be on the ballot until you get in.

7. Duran Duran: I hate this group, but if they're not in, most of these other new wave bands won't be in for decades.

8: Eurythmics: Eurythmics will be riding the coattails of the aforementioned Duran Duran. New wave will have to get represented someday, and it's best if that someday be now.

9: Foo Fighters: (read the introduction)

10: Go-Gos: They are terrible, but they are very popular with the majority of people.

11: INXS: (read the introduction)

12: Jay-Z: He's not rock and roll, but he's rap. Unfortunately, the Rock Hall thinks that inducting pop acts will get them somewhere.

13: Jethro Tull: This is an interesting choice. This band should have been in twenty-five years ago. I don't know what they're waiting on.

14: Rage Against the Machine: I don't like rap-rock groups that much, but I feel like this band's hiatus from the ballot is a little bit too long.

15. Soundgarden: I said I was putting them on with Alice in Chains. Same thing applies.

16. Thin Lizzy: Not many bands have a bassist for a lead singer. (Motley Crue is hot right now, but they're terrible).

This is probably the most likely scenario.

Posted by Living Stone on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 20:48pm

Living Stone, that essentially confirms Foo Fighters and Pat Benatar. The INXS comment could just mean she had inside information that they came close to making the ballot.

We will know soon enough as far as the list is concerned.

By the way, everyone, Guitar Center's flagship store in Los Angeles has something called the Rock Walk. I learned of it in a documentary called Sidemen (which you can watch for free on Kanopy in the United States - focused on Hubert Sumlin, Pinetop Perkins and Willie Smith). It looks rather impressive, featuring both handprints and plaques and has hosted many induction ceremonies (similar to Hollywood Star ceremonies).

I am wondering if someone can find the full list of inductees somewhere on the internet. It would make for an incredible comparison tool as they started the inductions in 1985.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 21:14pm

Smashing Pumpkins are on too many prediction lists. They're certainly one of the top five most predicted acts on this website through the years to never receive a nomination.

I still feel they just don't have the voice in the room that cares enough about them. It's absolutely frustrating because I feel the band is so well respected among critics and classic rock inductees that they would be an absolute shoe-in for induction.

I did see somewhere that their management may have someone in the room that could get them on the ballot. But until that person is in that room and wants to lobby hard for them, it just will not happen.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 21:25pm

would honestly rather have Alice In Chains or Beck get nominated before Foo Fighters but i suppose i can't be too shocked about it, it helps to have the main band member be one of the most involved and vocal advocates for the Hall.

Posted by Michael on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 22:00pm

Also seems a bit odd how she said that the nominations would be announced this week, seems a bit too soon

Posted by Michael on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 22:32pm

Fascinating, Living Stone. Thank you for posting! Glad I got my predictions in today so I wouldn't be influenced by inside info. Long shot, but do you know of anywhere that we can listen to the segment that you're referencing?

INXS is an interesting choice (if true), they're up there with Duran Duran and Eurythmics among major non-US New Wave bands that had some actual American commercial success (like The Cure and Depeche Mode, and unlike Joy Division and The Smiths, who, while having more critical success, did not make much of a popularity dent in the US). I think there's a good chance that this means INXS will be the big New Wave rep on the ballot, and not Duran Duran as everyone expected.

Also, this week!!!

Living Stone, the only thing I'll say about your prediction is that I would expect there to be more of an R&B/pop influence on the ballot. Think Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Rufus ft. Chaka Khan, & The Meters showing up on the ballots of the last few years. Otherwise some good choices on there.

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 22:42pm

I have to mention, just in case it does happen although I'm sticking with my predictions, that the Guess Who has been featured time and again on RRHOF posts on social media lately. I would not be a bit surprised to see them get a nod. I'd almost predict it, but since I'm solid on my predictions just to see how right I will be, I'll just throw it out as a strong possibility.

They belong, no doubt.

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 01:10am

K Dawg, Blue Oyster Cult will be eliminated from my predictions and replaced by the Guess Who. I will change my predictions at any time.

Posted by Living Stone on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 07:26am

I still can't believe George Michael is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by KAP on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 10:59am

I think that if The Go-Go's get nominated this year, I think that they would be snubbed FYN just like Eurythmics and Pat Benatar were, despite all the buzz and momentum surrounding them and their recent Showtime documentary, If Eurythmics and Pat Benatar couldn't get in FYN, then I doubt The Go-Go's will despite all the buzz and momentum surrounding them and their recent Showtime documentary, I truly expect The Go-Go's (if nominated this year) to be snubbed FYN just like Eurythmics and Pat Benatar were.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 11:46am

@ Richie

There's a connection between the Go-Go's and Irving Azoff. If nominated, they could easily make it as part of his lengthy train of pet projects. Like it or not, he always gets his acts in.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 11:56am

The Dude,

The Go-Go's have a pretty weak case IMO compared to the others we have been predicting. I'm not sure if they will appear despite a strong campaign and Irving's influence. The committee maybe wants to double down on Adzroff and Landau acts for now.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 13:56pm

FutureRockLegends, what are you waiting on? You need to post your predictions! According to the aforementioned SiriusXM DJ Rachel Steele, nominations are out TOMORROW!!! We need a few hours to analyze your picks before time's up. Come on, people!

Posted by Living Stone on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 14:43pm

Okay, a few not-a-chance "predictions" (more or less a wish list):

Chubby Checker: I am still surprised that he has never even been nominated. Why does this look like it will be a case similar to Donna Summer, Lou Reed, etc.: they only got their recognition posthumously.

The Runaways: Joan Jett got in with the Blackhearts (as we all know), but this was the first, to my knowledge, well-known band with all females playing their own instruments. Where would the Go-Gos and the Bangles be without them?

The Sugar Hill Gang: If rap has a place in the Hall--which I contend it does--then why aren't the people who invented the genre inducted?

Three Dog Night: A personal favorite, but (aside from not writing many of their hits), they seem to check all the boxes; arguable influence (David Bowie and Hanson covered their songs), charted songs (21 top forty, 3 number one), and are still popular today. Besides, who else had a number one hit with a song about a bullfrog?

Joe Cocker: I believe the last major act at Woodstock that isn't yet in the Hall.

Carly Simon: If she is really more pop than rock and roll, so is Neil Diamond, James Taylor, and several others.

Tina Turner (solo): Her solo catalog is at least as extensive as that of Stevie Nicks.

(Non-performer) Annie Liebovitz: Rolling Stone (the magazine, not the band) is hugely influential in the R&R HoF (duh), it's time they recognize this particular one of their own.

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 15:49pm

You sure that's right, Living Stone? Usually the Hall announces it a few days prior when they're about to make a nominee or inductee announcement, and their social media is pretty empty right now.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 18:45pm

It seems that neither FutureRockLegends nor the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame cares anymore. We'll still be here, but FutureRockLegends, post your predictions today! Right now! I'm tired of waiting!

Posted by Living Stone on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 19:37pm

calm down

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 19:46pm

Guys...seriously? If you can survive 11 months going on 1 year during a friggin' pandemic, you can wait a couple of days to a stinkin' week for the 2021 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees to be announced. Gee whiz...

Posted by John Mangee on Tuesday, 02/2/2021 @ 20:13pm

I just want their picks out before the RRHOF gets the noms publicly announced. Its kind of crazy they haven't made any Proclamations and its been downright confusing why this year of all years, they changed things on us

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 00:00am

Alright everybody get ready for our typical Rock Hall checklist this year!

-More woman and POCs
-Kraftwerk is nominated, but does not get in
-"Most of these choices suck!"
-Classic Rock Bait to get the Boomers to shut up
-"Rap is not rock!"
-Wildcard pick (Jane's Addiction, John Prine, T-Rex, DMB, etc.)
-Only 5 or 6 inductees
-The usual suspects (MC5, Chaka Khan, Kraftwerk, etc.)
-Fan Vote gone wrong
-More waiting...
-Azoff, Stein, Landau, Grohl, and Morello picks
-Little Stevie's dumb jukebox playlist
-One of the nominees badmouths the Hall
-One of the nominees is frankly glad to be nominated
-One of the nominees do not care for the Hall
-Jojo music reference (JJBA is known for their characters based on real life rock bands)
-Posthumous pick

Feel free to add to the checklist....

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 02:09am

Plebian, I've got another one for you:

A legendary metal band that should've been inducted years ago (Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motörhead, Thin Lizzy) gets screwed. Again.

Posted by John Mangee on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 07:28am

Everybody that is here needs to go to the Rock Hall website and start demanding results for nominations. FutureRockLegends, it's time to release our predictions.

Posted by Living Stone on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 08:21am

Since, I began my 60th revolution around the sun about 45 minutes ago and since, The Bangles are the subject of the latest episode of the "Who Cares About The Rock Hall Podcast," once again, here is my list:

Since, Nick had ranked Tina Turner in the pole position of his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Projects" list, once again here is my list.

Since Garrus had mentioned Pat Benatar, once again here is my list.

Since Plebian had asked and since Nick had mentioned Sade, in his latest installment of the "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project," I thought that I would once again, post my 2021 nominees list.

Since, KING had mentioned The Bangles and since Nick Bambach has listed them at #96 on his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects List," I thought that I would once again provide a portion of my 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees list.

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and for the most part- the end of the nearly 52 year old entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the outrageously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and 3 months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest (at least, Red Lobster had kept the Lobster Lover's Dream on the menu). However, I have been informed that Lobsterfest will be back on February 1 and hopefully the Lobster Lover's Dream will remain on their menu forever.

I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy), my discovery of the music of Wobbler (a symphonic progressive rock band from Norway- whose work I have definitely been extremely impressed by), cooking with Le Creuset tagines and a Staub cocotte and of course, the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode (whose work is now beginning to appeal to me), The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G. did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever.

Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. Nick Bambach has more information about these ladies, in case you are interested, please check out his
"The Audio-Visual Repertory: Perspectives On Popular Culture" blog.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, Episode 46: "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having had a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Here are my top 7 choices from my list:

1. Tina Turner (solo) (not prog)
2. Sade (prog adjacent)
3. Carly Simon (prog adjacent)
4. Pat Benatar (not prog)
5. The Bangles (more prog adjacent)
6. Duran Duran (Including touring members- Anna Ross and Dom Brown) (crossover prog)
7. Jethro Tull (Classic prog)

In my honest opinion, such an induction, would definitely change preconceptions about the Rock Hall being chauvinistic and misogynistic and help to create a little more parity between the sexes.

If 8: add Kool & The Gang

If 9: add the B-52s

If 10: add Joy Division/New Order

Now, everybody should be really happy.

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The rest of the nominees:

11. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
12. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
13. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
14. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
15. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
16. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
17. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
18. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
19. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
20. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
21. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would definitely be much more inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
22. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is very important to the younger generation.
23. Eurythmics- okay, I agree that their first several albums are great also, but do I like Duran Duran more? Yes, I most definitely do.

So, who wins out?

Those remarkable ladies and of course, the two major prog bands.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 09:02am

You'd be better off telling them to start listening to the general public more and start giving the people what they want. Suggest a people's choice nominee and inductee.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 09:32am

tbh I would buy a ticket to the Hall of Acts Critics, Hipsters, Snowflakes, Media Shills, and Social Justice Warriors Like, that sounds fun

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 09:42am

Greg F: I'm not sure listening to the general public for future inductions would be a good idea. I believe most would have put Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Korn in before Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly and Little Richard. They're not the most receptive of history or the real roots of rock and roll. What is popular now isn't necessarily what was historically significant; that's probably why Kraftwerk and the Runaways haven't had much success in making their case.

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 09:57am

Most people go to the Hall for nostalgia, not history cause education is a waste of time to them. They just wanna see their inducted favorites in person for their amusement and that's it. That's like assuming people go to theme parks to learn about the locations' histories when they came there to hit some rides/attractions.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 10:07am

It wouldn't hurt to have just one slot for a people's choice nominee and inductee. They don't have to strictly listen to general public just give them one slot on the ballot and inductee list. A combination of the kiosk vote and an online poll could be used to determine to the people's choice nominee. While the fan vote winner can be the people's choice inductee. It's just one slot what could it hurt.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 10:17am

Dude, it's a museum. Its primary functions are preservation and education. It tries to be engaging, to make education more fun, but comparing it to an amusement park is missing the whole point. Motley Crue's importance has passed with the hype of the movie gone. DMB's importance peaked in 2002.

And quite frankly, I'm not sure being anti-consumerist is such a bad thing.

Greg F., you would think it wouldn't hurt, until you read the comments on any social media post by the Hall, see how bigoted and narrow-minded the comments are, what acts they're actually advocating for, and the reasons for support that make it difficult to keep a straight face.

Let me close with two quotes. One has been attributed to Winston Churchill, but most likely wasn't, and the other said by me five or six years ago.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

"Over the course of sixty years, the conversation has gone from saying 'Rock and roll isn't worth celebrating and honoring because it's Black music' to saying 'Black music isn't worth celebrating and honoring because it's not rock and roll.'"

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 13:29pm

Since when does the "roll" in rock and roll apply to genres that clearly aren't? The term has always applied as one genre, not multiple.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 13:53pm

Since when has "clearly aren't" ever applied? I'm not trying to water down what rock and roll is, but rock and roll was born as the amalgamation of styles and genres: blues, country, gospel, folk, jazz, and others. The fusion of classical influences helped form progressive rock. It's constantly absorbing and integrating other styles... Geneva pastoral hymns as possibly the sole exception.

So, I don't think there's a good answer to your question, because the question itself has a shaky premise.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 14:02pm

Motley's importance has not passed, and It's actually far from it. They're gonna be on tour with Def Leppard, Poison and Joan Jett this year, and hopefully it doesn't get postponed again/canceled. Not giving what the masses want the most is still anti-consumerism cause you're supposed to make them happy and satisfied, not the opposites, so they could go to the attraction and/or come back.

Even if the Crue does get nominated and inducted this year, most of their fans are likely to complain how postmature it was, saying stuff things like "You should have done this last year." It would be the same with DMB too. It's really sad and pathetic of the Hall's management and Nom Com caused so much damage on the business aspects. They may not make every fan happy, but they can fix it by giving them what they want, and they need do it with a quick response, not later. If both the kiosk and fan ballot gets rigged again (or either one), then the damage will be done, and the next class will become a commercial flop.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 14:30pm

In addition to everything that Philip and Joe have said, binding online polls are a TERRIBLE idea in general. It's the Boaty McBoatFace principle. As soon as it becomes a written agreement that whoever wins the kiosk vote/fan vote automatically gets in, you bet your ass that we would see large groups of people trying to meme random undeserving artists into an induction every single year. We would absolutely have a successful #InductSmashMouth meme campaign within just a few years of that change being made.

I also think that it wouldn't necessarily benefit whichever artists are most popular among the general public, just the artists that have the most engaged and passionate fanbases. Consider this scenario:

- Artist A has 3 million fans. Artist B has 10 million fans. Both are on the ballot.
- Artist A has an extremely passionate and dedicated online fan network, but is not extremely popular in the public as a whole.
- Artist B has more of a broad popularity among the general public, but does not have a lot of online fan engagement.
- Artist A uses the reach of their passionate fan network to get every member of their online following to vote for them, drumming up 3 million votes.
- Artist B, without the same kind of fan engagement, only gets 2 million votes, since most of their fans aren't in a devoted fan community and don't know or care that there is a poll.
- Even though Artist B is the much more popular group and Artist A's fanbase is relatively niche, Artist A gets inducted because their fanbase was more organized and motivated.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 14:36pm

All of this to say, there is definitely an issue with the Nom Com and voting body having limited perspective and only having views representative of themselves, mainly rich white male Boomers who are deeply embedded in the music industry. So I think that there is work to be done to add a wider range of perspectives and voices to the conversation. However, I think that just opening it up directly to the public is a mistake for the reasons that I and others have outlined. The solution, IMO, lies more in making both the committee and voting body more diverse and representative of the general public (in race/gender, yes, but also age, class, industry, etc.), while also making sure that the people making decisions have a solid understanding of music history and influence, and artists' place in the broader culture.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 14:54pm

"As soon as it becomes a written agreement that whoever wins the kiosk vote/fan vote automatically gets in, you bet your ass that we would see large groups of people trying to meme random undeserving artists into an induction every single year."

Then it means you want the Hall to be run by selfish sh*theads, so they could lose money and go bankrupt. That's not how running an attraction works in business. Their is no way most people in the general public would troll the system by supporting an act with one "hit" radio song/none with a lack of influence, pure commercial success and mainstream popularity.

"We would absolutely have a successful #InductSmashMouth meme campaign within just a few years of that change being made."

Smash Mouth is a blip of their time. They would never receive the most votes on the kiosk and/or fan ballot. Motley and DMB are generational bands and actually made impacts with a legacy . Most people would rather have Poison in than Smash Mouth. That's like expecting a Soft Cell Campaign.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 15:00pm

Given the fan vote hacks of the past, a concentrated effort to troll the kiosk is absolutely a possibility.

One of the residual effects of my radio career is the haunting echo of the ridiculousness of callers on the request line. Imagine the groundswell of people named Casey who want KC And The Sunshine Band inducted because Casey=KC in their minds. Or people who vote for Nik Kershaw because "Wouldn't It Be Good" was playing when they lost their virginity or at least got to see breasts for the first time. Don't tell me it couldn't happen, because it absolutely could. I don't want a critics' hall of fame either, but dammit, find a better way to strike a balance.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 15:34pm

Exactly, Philip. I think case in point for this is the Freddie Mercury debacle. Nobody voted for him at the kiosk because they really think his solo work is underappreciated and deserving of recognition, they did so because they just saw Bohemian Rhapsody, found his name on the kiosk and went "What? He's not in? Of course he should be in!" and pressed the button while not realizing that, no, of course he's been inducted, just as part of Queen. And he placed like fifth on the kiosk that year, entirely off of people not understanding how the induction system works.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 16:30pm

Even though I enjoy Freddie Mercury's solo work I feel that a solo induction is not necessary.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 16:36pm

An even better example is solo Stevie Nicks, many voters didn't know she was already in with Fleetwood Mac. The NomCom used this as an excuse to induct a woman twice, even though at least three other women deserve it more.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 16:45pm

People are dumb

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 17:04pm

Freddie was omitted FAIRLY not just because he's already in with the rest of Queen, it's also because his solo career wasn't commercially successful as other inductees who also did the same (Stevie Nicks, Robert Plant, The Beatles, Phil Collins, Ozzy Osbourne, etc.)

He would be in if was either alive now or lived longer.

Motley on the other hand was omitted both unfairly and cruelly, revealing how stupid, stubborn, and out of touch the Nom Com are. The Crue were the REAL pioneers of 80's Glam along with Quiet Riot, Kix, WASP, and Ratt. Most people wrongfully think the movement started with Van Halen and Def Leppard (who both jumped on the bandwagon for either one album or more like Aerosmith, Kiss, Whitesnake and even Judas Priest did), which is historical revisionism. Bon Jovi and Poison started the second wave of 80's Glam while Guns N Roses largely refrained most of the characteristics with a less poppy and more rawer tone.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 17:06pm

The Dude,

Just wondering, did you read J. Eric Smith's Worst Band Ever tournament? Motley Crue won. Since that tournament is so infamous around the internet there will be people who associate Motley Crue with that tournament.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 17:51pm

The Dude,

Weren't Bon Jovi and Motley Crue seen as too corporate back then and even now? I also think people actually kind of like GNR unlike Motley Crue and Bon Jovi where everyone likes them in a ironic sense. As you stated GNR has that genuine raw vibe to them that appears to the masses. You can say the same as Motley Crue and Bon Jovi, but like all those 70s rock radio bands they don't have enough personality that makes them any different from the rest just like all the other imitators from the hair band era. Isn't rock and roll about pushing new boundaries and standing out from the rest of their genre plus music?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 18:01pm

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/motley-crue-looks-that-kill-video/

@ Plebian

While Bon Jovi were stigmatized as "corporate rock," Motley doesn't get tagged with that term very much. If you listen to first wave of 80's Glam, it was more rawer with more punk influences, but there were some pop elements. When the second wave came, not only you hear more pop influences but also soft rock and 70's arena rock influences with some ballads in between. Another thing most of ya'll don't talk about is how game-changing their first two music videos were on MTV.

@ Follower

Why bother with the elite critics? Bands like Motley and Bon Jovi didn't came from the college scene like the Cure and REM did. Most critics are Starbucks, drinking hipsters who claimed themselves to be open minded, but make reviews to be cool and edgy rather than being elaborate like they're supposed to be. They like music at coffee shops and on college radio. Music critics have always been a joke since the beginning.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 18:22pm

I think some of this venom is misplaced. Chaka Khan, Kraftwerk. LL Cool J etc have been nominated 5+times. The Committee has recognized their importance as an Influence and Innovator. It's up to the voters to vote them into the Hall. I don't see any media asking Bono, Bruce, Dylan, Madonna, Paul McCartney, etcthe tough questions about Chaka or Kraftwerk and other deserving groups who should receive Induction. It seems the Committee always receives the blame. The voters are protected by the veil of secrecy about their vote. Others will show their voting ballot on Twitter or other social media. I think some of the problem also the nominated groups can be lukewarm about their nominations . In contrast, Rob Halford of Judas Priest has been vocal about the importance of Judas Priest into the RRHOF for the band, the JP fans, and heavy metal. Although JP has not been inducted, he has done all he can to put out the word in interviews and things. The Zombies were another band appreciative of the Nominations. They also talked about the honor it would be. I think that helped The Zombies earn induction. Honestly, I can't think of a heavy Kraftwerk media blitz with the members explaining why they deserve RRHOF Induction. For those that dont know much about Kraftwerk or their music, it could only help their cause. The Nominees don't have to do anything true but getting out there in the media and shows...I think it helps the cause.
There's no perfect system. If you had select music groups and fans pick the 16 or 18 bands for nomination, the Committee would then select the 5 or 6 for Induction. People would complain about the secrecy in this Committee as well. Or other political motives.
Things I've mentioned before that would help the Nominees and other suggestions:
1. Award 5 points or votes for every nomination. For Example, Chic has 11 nominations, they would already have earned 55 votes in my system. Eventually, the nominations and votes add up to push a group into the Hall.
2. I'd like to see the Inductees nominate 1 band at the ceremony. Say you have 5 Inductee Artists at the Induction. You could have 5 already selected for next year's ballot. Still a good 10-15 spots for the Committee to discuss.
3. They probably need to better clarify the Kiosk situation and fan vote. I remember the DMB fans were not happy when their beloved band was not inducted. I have to give Richie credit. He thought DMB might be the 1st group to fall short even though they won the fan vote. It finally happened.
4. Music has no color. It should be the most outstanding and qualified singer or groups. I have seen in the last 3-4 years a groundswell of people dictating to the the RRHOF about inducting people. I just don't see the bias or discrimination others see. For every Tina Turner that's never been nominated, I will give you Duran Duran. Cyndi Lauper has never been nominated also Iron Maiden has never been nominated. No Kool & The Gang nomination; Megadeth somehow hasn't earned a nomination. There have been hundreds and hundreds of groups and singers since 1950. Some of had short while others long careers. It's not an easy task for the Committee. I think in the last 5 years...The Committee has done an excellent job with the slate of nominees. I think a few of the FRL Regulars brought up a good point about a Veteran's Committee. Similar to MLB & NFL. Selecting some older bands or others that have fallen through the cracks. It might help Ben E. King, Chuck Willis. Link Wray, Procol Harum, Peter, Paul, & Mary, etc. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 18:32pm

The Dude,

Of course Bon Jovi were seen as cooperate. In J. Eric Smith's Worst Band ever tournament, Bon Jovi lost to REO Speedwagon and Boston because the they relied on their good locks, insider connections, and outside songwriters. The latter two bands didn't. He called Boston cooperate too (and he also called them a marketing construct and not a real band), but since Boston didn't care about their image as much they were let of the hook, leaving Bon Jovi to go into the final four.

Luckily, he spared Brad Delp from the Boston criticism, saying that Delp was the only thing that Boston had to make them distinct.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 19:39pm

The Dude
Some great history and information The Dude. Motley Crue Shout At The Devil and RATT Out Of The Cellar successes really opened the LA scene. The record companies started realizing the potential of these hard rock and metal acts. Many of these groups were given contracts and delivered hit songs and platinum records. It's a shame the 1980's self-indulgence and self-destruction of some of the hard rock and metal acts. Thousands of music fans enjoyed the uptempo and good-time nature of the songs. Many of these young musicians were in their early to mid 20's. Good-looking and talented musicians surrounded by the best-looking women. At the best and hippest parties. Alcohol and drugs aplenty. It's easy how many could fall into this temptation. Some have died from OD's and premature death. It's also a testimony to 80's bands like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Guns N' Roses, Motley Crue,and Ratt etc that are still rocking today. The changing music tides to the Alternative and Grunge also was difficult for these metal bands. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 19:45pm

"It's also a testimony to 80's bands like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Guns N' Roses, Motley Crue,and Ratt etc that are still rocking today. The changing music tides to the Alternative and Grunge also was difficult for these metal bands."

Ironically enough, all the 80's glam bands are still together and doing their thing right now musically with a working-class spirit despite the issues some went through while most of the grunge bands from Seattle had disappeared due to personal and internal issues (substance abuse, mental illness, suicide, the discomfort of the major label goals and practices, etc.)

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/3/2021 @ 20:01pm

So Living Stone...where is the nominations? Did you get us hyped for nothing?

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 02/4/2021 @ 00:46am

Thank you Philip for posting your list of 2021 nominees on your most recent installment of your "Rock Hall Monitors" blog.

Since, I began my 60th revolution around the sun about 18.5 hours ago and since, The Bangles are the subject of the latest episode of the "Who Cares About The Rock Hall?" Podcast, once again, here is my list:

Since, Nick had ranked Tina Turner in the top position of his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Projects" list, once again here is my list.

Since Garrus had mentioned Pat Benatar, once again here is my list.

Since Plebian had asked and since Nick had mentioned Sade, in his latest installment of the "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects Project," I thought that I would once again, post my 2021 nominees list.

Since, KING had mentioned The Bangles and since Nick Bambach has listed them at #96 on his "Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects List," I thought that I would once again provide a portion of my 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees list.

Let us face basic facts: 2020 had definitely been the year that had sucked. In my personal life, I had to deal with: the passing of Neil Peart and for the most part- the end of the nearly 52 year old entity known as Rush, the passing of my mother (possibly from COVID-19), the extraordinarily expensive cost of repairs for my beloved SUV, the outrageously expensive cost of telephone calls to the United Kingdom, waiting 5 months for Issue #107 of PROG Magazine and 3 months for Issue #113 of PROG Magazine and the huge disappointment of the premature termination of Red Lobster's Lobsterfest (at least, Red Lobster had kept the Lobster Lover's Dream on the menu). However, Lobsterfest is back, as of February 1 and hopefully the Lobster Lover's Dream will remain on their menu forever.

I also had to deal with a less than satisfactory 2020 Rock Hall inductees list and a nearly 7 month longer wait, in order to watch the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. As far as 2020 had been concerned, the bright spots had included: the Hall Watcher's Podcast with Mary and Eric Layton (of E-Rockracy), my discovery of the music of Wobbler (a magnificent symphonic progressive rock band from Norway- whose work I have definitely been extremely impressed by), cooking with Le Creuset tagines and a Staub cocotte and of course, the massive number of overtime hours at work (which had kept me very busy and focused) throughout much of the year.

Overall, In my honest opinion the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction documentary had been okay, but not spectacular. I had especially liked the presentation packages for: Depeche Mode (whose work is now beginning to appeal to me), The Doobie Brothers and T. Rex. However, seeing the still living members of Doobie Brothers perform (especially Tiran Porter) would have been great to see, plus a performance by Depeche Mode and a tribute performance to the late Whitney Houston and T. Rex could have also been great. Maybe, the Rock Hall will invite these artists to return next year? As I have stated before, the inductions of Nine Inch Nails and the Notorious B.I.G. did not in any way impress me, nor did their packages sway me in the slightest manner whatsoever.

Also, I will make no apologies for this list, since each of the following artists are highly worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

With the recent information that the list of 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees will not be available until around the time of my 59th birthday, I had decided to once again, post my list of Potential nominees, with an emphasis on who I prefer the most. Therefore, here is my list once again, for your reading pleasure:

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. Nick Bambach has more information about these ladies, in case you are interested, please check out his
"The Audio-Visual Repertory: Perspectives On Popular Culture" blog.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, Episode 46: "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

My Wildcard:

10. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having had a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Here are my top 7 choices from my list:

1. Tina Turner (solo) (not prog)
2. Sade (prog adjacent)
3. Carly Simon (prog adjacent)
4. Pat Benatar (not prog)
5. The Bangles (more prog adjacent)
6. Duran Duran (Including touring members- Anna Ross and Dom Brown) (crossover prog)
7. Jethro Tull (Classic prog)

In my honest opinion, such an induction, would definitely change preconceptions about the Rock Hall being chauvinistic and misogynistic and help to create a little more parity between the sexes.

If 8: add Kool & The Gang

If 9: add the B-52s

If 10: add Joy Division/New Order

Now, everybody should be really happy.

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The rest of the nominees:

11. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
12. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
13. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
14. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
15. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
16. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
17. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
18. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
19. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
20. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
21. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would definitely be much more inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
22. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is very important to the younger generation.
23. Eurythmics- okay, I agree that their first several albums are great also, but do I like Duran Duran more? Yes, I most definitely do.

So, who wins out?

Those remarkable ladies and of course, the two major prog bands.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/4/2021 @ 02:54am

I'm not surprised they aren't out yet, Plebian, but he did have a point calling out FRL...and I think, at this point, most of us are burned out waiting. It's been far too long since we had the ability to rank who they picked and critique who got left out and why they included the left field pick or two they invariably will...

Plus, I give it 100 posts before richie will start asking who we think will be on the 2022 list...lol

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 02/4/2021 @ 06:17am

Great comments on Hall, Phillip!

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/4/2021 @ 06:42am

FutureRockLegends, predictions need to come out now! I know, the Hall of Fame is late, but still. Who are you waiting on? Confirmation of the Class of 2020?

Posted by Living Stone on Thursday, 02/4/2021 @ 10:50am

"He that can have patience can have what he will."

- Benjamin Franklin

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 02/4/2021 @ 11:15am

I have nothing against Benjamin Franklin, but I want him to play"Eruption" by Van Halen before he's quoted on this thread.

Posted by Living Stone on Friday, 02/5/2021 @ 07:33am

Soundgarden

Posted by 72064 on Friday, 02/5/2021 @ 18:08pm

There is a musician named Benjamin Franklin. I wonder if he has a page here.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/5/2021 @ 18:28pm

Surprisingly, Ben Franklin played a lot of instruments and even invented one called the glass armonica, which was inspired by the performers he saw who made music with glasses of water. Why did the Hall snubbed one of America's founding fathers when he should be in as an early early influence?

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/5/2021 @ 19:27pm

It's been almost a week now. Where are they?

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 02/6/2021 @ 12:43pm

i feel like they arn't going to post their predictions until the rock hall announces the date for the reveal of the nominees

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 02/6/2021 @ 13:04pm

As I said before, the nominees will most likely to be revealed a day before Ash Wednesday.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/6/2021 @ 13:18pm

The Replacements got a Twitter post and multiple black artists have been spotlighted in their exhibit. I know we debunked Twitter posts as Rock Hall predictions, but sometimes I get the feeling of certain hinting. Thoughts?

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/6/2021 @ 13:20pm

On Facebook, the Hall made a post about Mariah Carey when she inducted Gladys Knight & The Pips at the 1996 Induction Ceremony. Don't be surprised if they had given their followers a hint. She could be nominated.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/6/2021 @ 13:26pm

(This is just a joke)

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tweets to you to announce the induction of Billy Squier!

Posted by Living Stone on Saturday, 02/6/2021 @ 15:44pm

(This is just a joke)

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tweets to you that Oasis will be inducted.

Posted by Living Stone on Saturday, 02/6/2021 @ 15:46pm

(This is just the last time I have to say this is a joke).

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is tweeting to you! We are changing our name to the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame!

Posted by Living Stone on Saturday, 02/6/2021 @ 15:47pm

Casper,

A bit belated, but man the Smashing Pumpkins are certain slam dunks that I'm surprised they we're never considered. They have the respect (musically), the songs and albums, and people actually know who they are. I guess Billy Corgen's ego is too much for them? Then again they can shrug it off like with KISS and Guns N' Roses.

RG, The Dude, K-Dawg, etc.

If you we're part of the committee, what genres and acts specifically would you advocate for? I would support lots of alternate rock in the 80s and 90s. You guys already know who I would choose, but I would add Jane's Addiction, Faith No More, Weezer, and The Replacements on my list.

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 02/7/2021 @ 02:26am

Great question, Plebian.

I am a progressive genre fan. Depeche Mode (a year after the Cure) and NIN were huge for me, because New Wave and Nu Metal (by default a by product of industrial and Internet rock) have gotten a much more solid foothold. I think rap, while it has a long way to go for acceptance by the RRHOF community in general even though it is indeed musically related just as much as hard rock and metal to the other genres of the original rock n roll, has come far.

My obvious one is Kraftwerk, as electronic and techno, which are much bigger EVERYWHERE else but in the USA, are so far past overdue it's a joke. I also do think we will start to recognize that popular music has shifted from traditional rock to a lighter or dancier and more poppy sound. I think that the women of pop and hip hop are going to see an explosion in the next few years. I think TLC, Lil Kim, Salt N Pepa, and En Vogue will all get hard looks before the icon known as Beyonce gets her turn. While Mariah Carey is giving rock purists nightmares, I do feel she belongs, but it might be a couple years. She will open the door for Britney, Christina Aguilera, Rihanna and who knows who else.

I'm free associating a bit, but to return to your point, alternate rock is going to have plenty of opportunity, so you are fine to support it. I go as well into electronic/techno, nu metal on a massive scale, heavy metal as it is a joke that Iron Maiden, Anthrax, and Pantera haven't sniffed a nom, as well as 90s R and B, and the continuing trend of rap and hip hop.

On the classic front, the Monkees are my pet project, but Bad Company is next one out that I want to see repped from traditional classic rock. Paul Rodgers is a legend who keeps getting overlooked. And a little more 70s r and b and funk would be nice. Spinners, Commodores, Ohio Players...I could go on forever lol, but there's my long-winded response

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 02/7/2021 @ 03:03am

Plebian, it's black history month so of course the Rock Hall will highlight such artists in Twitter posts. As for The Replacements, the post was related to a musical instrument donation that recently happened.

I don't think there's anything to really go off here as far as hints are concerned.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 02/7/2021 @ 13:30pm

Knowing people who run social media for companies, the idea that the person in charge of posting on Twitter and Instagram would not only be in the loop on exactly who the institution plans on nominating weeks to months in advance, but also be authorized to post oblique hints pointing to those artists (that only a small community of people will pick up on) is pretty laughable. Particularly any "hints" that were dropped before the nominating committee even met. The social media team will likely only know shortly before we do, when they are sent the announcement content that they are meant to post.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/7/2021 @ 14:11pm

People laughed and scoffed at King when I suggested 2 Classic Rock segments. Of course, it was voted down. Everything I propose or suggest gets voted down. I feel validation as each FRL Regular and new voter nominates an excellent 70's or 80's rock group. One seems to be equal or better than the next. It's going to be a battle to see who earns the nomination. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 02/7/2021 @ 15:02pm

Guys I was just wondering that's all. No need to get hostile. I even said the idea of it was debunked. Maybe the waiting is getting to me.

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 02/7/2021 @ 15:30pm

KING, I've gotta be honest with you: Classic Rock is one of my all-time favorite genres of music. Well said, bro.

Posted by John Mangee on Sunday, 02/7/2021 @ 15:46pm

Plebian,

My apologies, my response came off much more confrontational than I intended.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/7/2021 @ 16:57pm

We are all beyond ready for the noms. However, there's nothing wrong with pointing out who is being featured because there is always a chance one of them might be nominated. There's no template the rrhof voting body follows, so most anyone is fair game

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/7/2021 @ 23:02pm

George Michael should definitely be in the hall of fame.

Posted by Kit on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 10:27am

https://twitter.com/rockhall/status/1358851842927702017?s=21

There it is

Posted by Michael on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 12:58pm

Hey Guys,

The 2021 Rock Hall Nominees will be announced this Wednesday, February 10 at 8AM EST.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 13:02pm

oh hell ya

It's been a long wait, folks, thanks for keeping the conversation going this past 13 months.

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 13:15pm

The waiting has paid off!!!!!!!

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 13:19pm

It's about time lol. And FRL needs to get their predictions up by tomorrow minimum...

Should we repost our picks? Richie, will you put your list of Watchers' choices up again please?

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 13:25pm

This is interesting because I had a dream of the Rock Hall revealing the ballot a few days ago. I don't remember the entire ballot that appeared in my dream but it included Bootsy Collins, Brian Eno, Don Mclean, The Go-Go's and Rupert Holmes. Of course in the dream I was scratching my head on Rupert Holmes being there. Interestingly enough the official announcement came after dreaming about a ballot. I think happened that last year too but I don't remember who was on that one.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 13:35pm

Because you like pina coladas and making out in the rain...

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 14:11pm

K-Dawg,

Here's all the predictions for the 2021 nominees made by Rock Hall Watchers on this site so far and they are:

The Dude: Pat Benatar, Boston, Buzzcocks, Mariah Carey, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Mott The Hoople/Ian Hunter, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, The Smiths, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Dionne Warwick.

Michael W.: The B-52's, Bad Company, Beck, Pat Benatar, Big Star, Joe Cocker, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Cyndi Lauper, LL Cool J, Motorhead, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

K-Dawg: Alice In Chains, The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Mariah Carey, The Commodores, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Foreigner, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, The Monkees, Motley Crue, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren, Smashing Pumpkins, Snoop Dogg and Tina Turner.

remy10: The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, New York Dolls, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, The Smiths, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

Will N.: The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, The Commodores, The Go-Go's, The Guess Who, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Joy Division/New Order, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, Willie Nelson, New York Dolls, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Smashing Pumpkins and Soundgarden.

Steve Z: Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, The Smiths, Soundgarden and Weezer.

MichaelEU: The B-52's, Big Star, Kate Bush, Chaka Khan, Judy Collins, Eurythmics, Jay-Z, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, The Marvelettes, Motorhead, Willie Nelson, New York Dolls, OutKast, Pixies and Thin Lizzy.

Ben: The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, The Guess Who, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Megadeth, Motorhead, Mott The Hoople, John Prine, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Tina Turner.

Ozmeow1900: Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Iron Maiden, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, New York Dolls, OutKast, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Sade, Soundgarden, Tina Turner and Warren Zevon.

Shrek: Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Fela Kuti, Foo Fighters, Peter Frampton, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, Alanis Morissette, Todd Rundgren and Soundgarden.

Greg F: Big Star, Mariah Carey, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Carole King, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Willie Nelson, New York Dolls, Phish, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Tina Turner.

Paul in KY: Alice In Chains, The B-52's, Beck, Pat Benatar, Mariah Carey, The Commodores, The Damned, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, Motorhead, OutKast, John Prine, Soundgarden, Tina Turner and Weezer.

Casper: Pat Benatar, Bjork, Daft Punk, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Joy Division/New Order, King Crimson, Kraftwerk, MC5, Harry Nilsson, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Soundgarden and Weezer.

John Mangee: The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Devo, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, The Guess Who, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Joy Division/New Order, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, John Prine, Rage Against The Machine and Thin Lizzy.

Plebian: The B-52's, Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, New York Dolls, John Prine, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

Mike: Beck, Pat Benatar, Mariah Carey, The Carpenters, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Kraftwerk, John Prine, Todd Rundgren, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Tina Turner.

RG: Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Mariah Carey, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Soundgarden and Toots & The Maytals.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 14:13pm

Hoping to see Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, Rufus featuring Chaka Khan and Mariah Carey on the ballot this year!

Posted by Adam on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 14:50pm

If we're aggregating all of our predictions plus the ones made by the blogs Richie compiled, the ballot would look like this (ordered by the number of lists the artist appears on):

1. Jay-Z
2. Kraftwerk
3. Pat Benatar
4. Soundgarden
5. The Go-Go's
6. Foo Fighters
7. Eurythmics
8. The B-52's
9. Tina Turner
10. Duran Duran
11. Judas Priest
12. Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
13. Rage Against the Machine
14. Dave Matthews Band
15. Jethro Tull
16. Bad Company

I for one would actually be pretty happy if that ended up being the ballot.

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 15:21pm

Thanks, Richie..
___

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 15:27pm

RG, thanks for that aggregate list. Crazy that Foo Fighters aren't #2. It's a lock, people.

Returning nominees seems to be the general theme in our combined predictions. Because if there is one thing we know about the nominating committee, it's that they like to recycle as many names as possible.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 15:36pm

We've successfully sleuthed the inductees the last two years using the method I came up with for messing with the Rock Hall website's URLs the night before.

The year prior to that, someone managed to find two separate lists breaking-up the prior year's nominees. We assumed it was one list but it ended up being the other, Still, not bad! It's the closest we've ever come to figuring out the ballot in advance.

Here's how it currently works for nominees.

1) Type in /nominee/devo or john-prine and you are redirected to the Inductees listing. So this is where nominee URLs not used in the most recent year end up.

2) Type in someone from last year like nominee/kraftwerk or nominee/pat-benatar and you redirect to the 2020 Inductions page.

3) Type in someone not previously nominated (or perhaps recently nominated) and you just get an error page.

It's possible that when we hit 12AM EST on Wednesday (or even a bit sooner), the Hall's webpage will make URL changes or even have new nominee pages up.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 15:50pm

Did the thing, Caspar!

Here's who I got:
Kraftwerk (duh) (2020 page)
Soundgarden (2020 page)
Pat Benatar (2020 page)
MC5 (2020 page)
Dave Matthews Band (2020 page)
Motörhead (Still has their URL page)
John Prine (directed to the website)
LL Cool J (directed to the website)
Devo (directed to the website)
Todd Rundgren (2020 page)

Who I did not get:
Judas Priest
Chaka Khan/Rufus
Thin Lizzy

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 17:00pm

Also no RATM

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 17:02pm

If RATM is not nominated this year, then they're more likely to be inducted in 2024 for the next Presidential Campaign.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 17:25pm

The Dude, what would RATM have to do with Presidential campaigns? They are a Socialist group so perhaps if AOC runs?

The Democratic Party IS also part of the machine they rage against...

Posted by Casper on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 17:36pm

Plebian, there is nothing new regarding the URLs. I just successfully linked thin-lizzy and judas-priest and rufus-chaka-khan to the 2020 page (just as it is for all of last year's losers).

If anything changes before the announcement, it will be the night before.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 17:40pm

I know members from the band, had made their criticisms on Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, but Rage is more likely to call out whoever the next Republican candidate is in 2024, or (if he runs again for President on the same/different party) Donald Trump.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 17:46pm

Caspar,

Okay, well I just tried it because you posted it. The curiosity just got to me.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 17:59pm

If this is correct, then 4 of the Fan Vote 5 are coming back with a vengeance!

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 18:42pm

I feel like Motorhead being the only one with an active page rn is a mistake rather than a clue

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 19:03pm

Alex Voltaire has swapped The B-52's for Carole King on his list of predictions, since Wednesday is the 50th Anniversary of Tapestry.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 19:21pm

The Motorhead mistake has been around for months. It's just the one page they forgot to redirect when the inductee announcement happened some 14 months ago.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 19:27pm

Thanks, Casper, that's what I was assuming

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 19:30pm

Hopefully they add a punk band in the list like Bad Brains (again) and Dead Kennedys

Posted by Michael on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 20:47pm

Foo Fighters,
Jay-Z,
Pat Benatar,
Jethro Tull,
Kraftwerk,
The Go-Go's,
Kool & The Gang,
Eurythmics,
Rage Against The Machine,
Dave Matthews Band,
The B-52's
Bad Company,
Rufus With Chaka Khan,
Dionne Warwick
Iron Maiden,
Tommy James & The Shondells
Peter, Paul & Mary
New York Dolls

Musical Excellance: Willie Nelson

Posted by Tom H. on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 20:51pm

Sonic Youth is one i would add...under the radar but worthy

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 21:09pm

It's finally posted! Look at the top for the prediction!

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/8/2021 @ 23:29pm

I'm impressed with the FRL predictions for 2021, although I have my own so here it is.

2021 nominees:
Kate Bush
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
Jay - Z
Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
My Bloody Valentine
Oasis
Diana Ross
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Tina Turner
Television
Weezer

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 03:17am

To Future Rock Legends

What made you leave off Jethro Tull?

What made you include The Marvelettes?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 06:13am

My last minute predictions for this year:

Bad Company
Kate Bush
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
The Dave Matthews Band
The MC5
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Posted by Ian on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 07:40am

10 acts I would personally love to see on the ballot tomorrow

Kate Bush
The Eurythmics
The Go-Gos
Tommy James and the Shondells
Joy Division
Carole King (curse you Alex Voltaire for getting my hopes up)
The Marvelettes
The New York Dolls
Soundgarden
The Spinners

Interesting that it looks like there will be 16 nominees. This is similar to the past few years. I didn't like the really large ballots (19) because it meant so many end up left off. Ideally I prefer a ballot of between 14-16.

Excited for the announcement tomorrow.

Posted by remy10 on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 07:42am

My predictions.

1. Pat Benatar
2. Kraftwerk
3. Soundgarden
4. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
5. Todd Rundgren
6. Motorhead
7. Rage Against the Machine
8. LL Cool J
9. Devo
10. Jay-Z
11. Mariah Carey
12. Foo Fighters
13. The Go Go's
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. The Guess Who
16. Mott the Hoople

*shrugs*

Posted by Mr J on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 09:10am

"Their renewed popularity and pending stadium tour with Def Leppard makes the Rock Hall look even more foolish for keeping them off the ballot for so long."

Spot on, FRL!

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 09:12am

This answer is for KING's question about INXS.

Their continuation/reunion without Michael Hutchence marked the band's decline in quality imo. If they decided to show decency by either splitting up permanently (See Nirvana, T. Rex, Motörhead and to a lesser extent The Doors and The Grateful Dead) or rename and reinvent themselves (see Joy Division/New Order), their careers would have been safe. They caused a lot of backlashes from fans with their American Idol-like reality show (which was painfully embarrassing), influencing them to boycott rather than supporting. To me, the damage had been done. The best they can do right now is hide where they're at with occasional exceptions while their fans listen Kick and imagine what could have been if the band's deceased vocalist were alive now. I think that explains why INXS are not in the Hall yet.

I know some may disagree with me on this, but I felt Michael was irreplaceable enough for his living bandmates to show some kind of decency.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 10:10am

Since I'm on mobile, the living class members update will only cover the relevant class for now, 1988.

9/25 of this class is still alive. (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 10:56am

If FRL's predictions turn out to be true, then the next class would look like this.

Motley Crue: If they didn't rigged the kiosk again (which is the right thing to do), then they'll be the next major classic rock to be inducted to complete the 80's Glam representations as a mandate inclusion if they get the most votes on the fan ballot.

Jay-Z: with Biggie now, he'll be next to join the Rap/Hip-Hop train as an FYE.

Foo Fighters: The Hall wants Dave Grohl to be a two-timer, and they have a new album out, so they have to play "Shame Shame" live to promote it.

The Go-Go's: An Irving Azoff-related act, and this would improve the gender diversity.

Duran Duran: With the Cars, Depeche Mode, and the Cure now in, they're one of those New Wave/80's Alternative giants that needs an induction.

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan: Even if the votes aren't there, they could be grandfathered in, and this would also improve the diversity on race.

The Guess Who: Would easily get the most votes from the Voting Body like it recently happened to T. Rex and The Zombies. The 60's still inductes the 60's.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 11:42am

darn, did anyone try voting before the page was taken down ?

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 12:07pm

5 artists I can't believe have not been nominated yet

1. The Commodores: I really don't understand this. Lionel Richie is such a big name and I doubt they are going to honor his solo work. It just seems like a no-brainer to me. I know many on here are predicting Kool and the Gang. Personally I see The Commodores as the bigger snub.

2. Beck: I was glad to see Future Rock predict them. I would have bet big money he would be in within his first two years of eligibility. Not sure what is keeping him out, but he certainly doesn't seem to be much of a priority right now.

3. Diana Ross: I am very happy that Whitney and Janet have recently been elected and I'm not going to argue with the Stevie Nicks pick. But no Diana Ross on the ballot ever? One of the biggest names with over three decades of hits and albums. You can probably insert Tina Turner into this spot as well.

4. Sonic Youth: I write this as not a big fan of the group but give me a break. Their absence from the ballot is getting almost as egregious as Kraftwerk (maybe not but it's growing every year). They seem like the type of critical darling that would get more respect on the committee. I don't get it.

5. Carly Simon: This one really puzzles me. The hall loves singer-songwriters and Carly just seems like a natural hall of famer. It seems really odd to me that she has never made a ballot. Maybe she just didn't have enough hits or something.

I also have to comment on what jtrichey said this morning about Journey. I have never understood how Journey got in while other bands like Foreigner and Boston have never been nominated. Maybe I'm missing something but why does Journey get the golden ticket? That is one that has puzzled me for several years now. For the record I don't really see REO Speedwagon as all that qualified for the hall of fame, but to me their cases are all similar.

Posted by remy10 on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 12:15pm

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Carole King
02. Tina Turner
03. Phil Collins
04. Dionne Warwick
05. Willie Nelson
06. Mariah Carey

07. Jethro Tull
08. Kool & The Gang
09. Rufus with Chaka Khan
10. Duran Duran
11. Kraftwerk
12. Devo

13. Foo Fighters
14. Soundgarden
15. Dave Matthews Band
16. Rage Against The Machine

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 12:22pm

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 12:30pm

Since today is Carole King's 79th birthday and since Carly Simon's debut album had been released 50 years ago, today.

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, The Dude, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees, I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. Here is the thing, there is now an enormous backlog of eligible artists which has continued to grow larger during each passing year. My list includes several female artists, which I believe is definitely a step in the right direction. Also, there is no hard and fast rule that states that there could not be nine or more inducted artists, is there? Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4, or perhaps 5 more women (Peterson, D., Peterson, V., Hoffs, Steele and Zilinskas), four of which had each written their own songs and played their own instruments. This helps to slightly correct something which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding- white female bands. Overall, an induction of The Bangles adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. Nick Bambach has more information about these ladies, in case you are interested, please check out his
"The Audio-Visual Repertory: Perspectives On Popular Culture" blog.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). See also Hall Watchers Podcast, Episode 46: "Minstrels In The Gallery: Why Jethro Tull Belongs In The Rock Hall."

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt for supporting them, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared for induction. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. They should get in; they will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus are we not constantly getting tired of repeatedly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. See Hall Watcher's Podcast Episode 44, "Quiet Storm: Why Sade Belongs In The Rock Hall." See also Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want to include more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in.
Thank you's go out to Michelle Bourg for mentioning Carly Simon on episode 49 of the Hall Watchers Podcast, "Prophets Without Honor."

08. Kraftwerk- How many times have they been nominated? What is their overall impact? Induct them already, in order to open up the space for Tangerine Dream and Can.

09. Tina Turner (solo) - She should definitely be in for her solo work; if nominated, she will get in.

10. Carole King- performer. Happy Birthday, Carole.

My Wildcard:

11. Kansas- I may have opted for Styx, Boston, Foreigner, or perhaps even Bad Company, instead but I think that Kansas' first five brilliant albums may help them to garner a nomination. The Rock Hall may decide to switch gears and nominate an American "prog" band for a change. Stylistically they are very similar to previous inductee Rush, with the exceptions of having had a world class violinist and vocalist (Robby Steinhardt) and a formerly great vocalist and keyboardist (Steve Walsh) in their ranks. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). If nominated, they could upset the balance of the nominees list and get inducted. See also Rush.

Here are my top 7 choices from my list:

1. Tina Turner (solo) (not prog)
2. Sade (prog adjacent)
3. Carly Simon (prog adjacent)
4. Pat Benatar (not prog)
5. The Bangles (more prog adjacent)
6. Duran Duran (Including touring members- Anna Ross and Dom Brown) (crossover prog)
7. Jethro Tull (Classic prog)

In my honest opinion, such an induction, would definitely change preconceptions about the Rock Hall being chauvinistic and misogynistic and help to create a little more parity between the sexes.

If 8: add Kool & The Gang

If 9: add the B-52s

If 10: add Joy Division/New Order

Now, everybody should be really happy.

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The rest of the nominees:

12. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
13. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
14. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
15. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here. Lemmy had previously been a member of a progressive rock band named Hawkwind.
16. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
17. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
18. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here. Rush used to tour with Thin Lizzy.
19. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
20. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
21. Go-Gos - yes, I have seen the documentary too. Unfortunately, Belinda Carlisle did not write many songs for them, instead focusing on her solo career. Otherwise, I would not object to their presence on the nomination ballot, but I would definitely be much more inclined to vote for The Bangles, instead.
22. Jay- Z- I suppose that he is very important to the younger generation.
23. Eurythmics- okay, I agree that their first several albums are great also, but do I like Duran Duran more? Yes, I most definitely do.

So, who wins out?

Those remarkable ladies and of course, the two major prog bands.

Well, what do you think?

Posted

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 13:27pm

Going to stick with my earlier nomination predictions from last year.

Cher
Counting Crows
Harry Nilsson
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
New York Dolls
Pat Benatar
Peter Frampton
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
The Meters
Thin Lizzy
Todd Rundgren

Posted by dmg on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 15:45pm

dmg

I would be pretty happy if your nominee list came true. The only one I can't really see is Counting Crows but I would personally be satisfied. Induct that entire list and the backlog would take a serious hit.

Posted by remy10 on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 17:29pm

Tomorrow at 8:30, the general public will learn of the Class of 2021 nominations. However, 30 minutes earlier, everyone must turn their SiriusXM stations to Channel 25, Classic Rewind, during Alan Hunter's show. We will learn of the nominations there. If you do not have SiriusXM, download the app. If you have DishTV, turn your station to 6025. You need to get the nominations out there. Post on social media. Break the news before most people know it.

Posted by Living Stone on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 17:34pm

Also, FutureRockLegends, your predictions are wrong. Jethro Tull? Hello!

Posted by Living Stone on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 17:35pm

Casper,

You ready to go on trying to figure them out before hand at midnight? I'm staying up to do so. What do I got to do again for it to be accurate?

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 18:23pm

Plebian, I wouldn't count on us leaking the nominees as that hasn't happened before. The closest we had was someone finding two groups of the previous year's nominees - one that ended up being renominated and one that did not (and Radiohead was erroneously in the latter group). And I could be wrong about that, even, as it may have been someone sleuthing the inductees instead.

So tonight would be a first!

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 02/9/2021 @ 20:05pm

There have definitely been a lot more early leaks of the inductees than there has been of the nominees; because the inductees are usually contacted before the media is informed of the results and their agents and such wind up leaking the info. I don't believe anyone outside of the Nomination Committee and the HOF web designers are ever informed about the nominee list before the media release is made.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 00:28am

Final time, my picks ahead of the actual announcement:

K-Dawg's Final Predictions List for the Class of 2021:

1. Bad Company-a band talked about for years of being omitted. Paul Rodgers. Need you say more?
2. Alice in Chains-My gut says that they will waffle between the 2 remaining Seattle grunge bands. Both are worthy.
3. Jay Z- FYE, and from a producing and performing standpoint, a proverbial giant in the industry
4. Kraftwerk-I hold to the hope the Hall will not shunt the Godfathers of Electronic and countless genres into Musical Influence
5. Pat Benatar-Her nom and snub last year did not sit well with rock purists. She will be a perennial nominee until she is in
6. The Smashing Pumpkins-Now that NIN has gone in, look for them to turn to another seminal 90s act who has a huge following, and maybe this can be the motivation to reunite the original cast
7. Tina Turner-while I am not a fan of multiple inductions mainly because it tends to take away a spot from a ridiculously large backlog, Tina's career is too big to ignore and she does deserve to be honored independent from Ike and their supposedly abusive relationship
8. Foreigner-the token 70s pop rock band of the year, but these guys are more than deserving of getting in.
9. Duran Duran-New wave has been getting its due in recent years, and it's time for DD to get its love. Lockstep in many eyes with Depeche Mode as the most deserving and now that Depeche is in, they also should give prog fans a little jolt
10. Motley Crue-Last year's shocking omission, the Crue will be the talk of much speculation
11. The Monkees-My perennial choice, because one year I hope they will give them the due they deserve. There aren't many 60s acts that are remaining that have been overlooked, and they are at the very top
12. Iron Maiden-As I've said before, I think they will alternate the metal heavyweights back and forth with Judas Priest, and either one really is deserving
13. The B52s-They've picked up a lot of steam in conversations, and they are an appealing band to a huge number of different groups
14. The Eurythmics-David A. Stewart and Annie Lennox are tailormade for an induction; their careers, both solo and in tandem, are the thing of legend
15. Mariah Carey-Part of me thinks the Hall might make her wait a year or two, but with Janet and Whitney going back to back, there's definitely a shot of Ms. Carey getting her due ahead of a couple other worthy female pop acts who predate her
16. The Commodores-My other shot in the dark, since the Spinners and Meters are ignored year after year (and I'm a huge Spinners proponent and have been for a decade), Lionel Richie may be an appealing choice for the Nom Com
17. Rage Against the Machine-Tom Morello's group will be back in the spotlight this year. If not for actual enshrinement, at least for political notoriety in an election year
18. Dave Mathews Band-They got ditched and broke the fan kiosk trend, so they'll be returning. Bet on it.
19. Todd Rundgren-3rd time is the charm for the talented songwriter, or will he take the vaunted ME cat?
20. Snoop Dogg-One year I'll get this right. He is overlooked, and while his influence on pop culture has extensively been beyond his music catalog, he does close the door on the West Coast juggernauts of rap until Eminem becomes eligible in a couple years

What do you think? Yes, I know I omitted Foo Fighters. That was not an accident

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 00:36am

So, apparently, there will be sixteen, and I only predicted 15 on my blog So, a last minute 16th tack on, I'll go with AlexVoltaire, and agree with the math and put Carole King as my 16th predicted nominee.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 01:59am

Philip,

Do you have a link to your picks for the RRHOF? I don't recall having seen it, and I don't have a link to your blog.

Sorry, I know time is short as we're about 5 hours from learning the names, but I would love to see what you chose

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 02:33am

Several hours until the nominees are released:

My picks:

1) Foo Fighters
2) Jay-Z
3) Bad Company
4) Kraftwerk
5) Pat Benatar
6) Kate Bush
7) Duran Duran
8) Tina Turner
9) Iron Maiden
10) The Guess Who
11) New Order
12) Kool and the Gang
13) Harry Nilsson
14) Dolly Parton
15) B-52's

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 03:33am

About INXS:
Thanks FRL Regulars on my King Question Of The Day INXS. I'm fascinated and interested in the psychology of what makes some bands quit while other trudge on making music. This is about Michael Hutchence and other greats who die unexpectedly and young in groups. There's no easy answers. Probably my 1st exposure to this experience was John Bonham Led Zeppelin The Bon Scott AC/DC situation too. I never understood why Led Zeppelin didn't just keep going. They had Plant and Page and JPJ. Over the years, I listened to how important Bonham was to the band's music with his thunderous drums and beat. They also were very good friends. Like a hand where all fingers are important to the function. Led Zeppelin made the right decision. AC/DC discovered young singer Brian Johnson and he fit in amazingly. Back In Black remains 1 of the best selling and popular albums of all-time. AC/DC continued to make quality music for 30+ years after. Also, a RRHOF band. AC/DC made the right call. In Nirvana's case, Kurt was so important as a singer/songwriter and guitarist...It would have been near impossible to replace. Nirvana made the right decision to discontinue.
Now to INXS. I think most would agree Michael Hutchence was a 5 star frontman. He had everything the great singers on stage have. Good-looking, presence, sex appeal, strong vocals, talent etc. I would say INXS as a band would be in their 30's when Hutchence died tragically. For nearly 20 years, they built up a loyal fanbase and the INXS name was respected. They sold millions of records. It would be difficult to quit at that time as INXS. It's probably easier the transition if you have multiple vocalists in the group. EX:Alice In Chains- Cantrell and Staley. When Layne passed, Cantrell could still sing songs he sang in the past. INXS, I believe is an interesting case. Don't know if the 2nd part of their career without Hutchence affects their nomination potential. I think INXS will be nominated and inducted in the next 5 years. Hearing some rumblings they could be a nominee this year. We shall see FRL regulars. Nominations only an hour and change away. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 05:27am

I've told you what to do, but at 8:00 AM, I want everyone here to either open the SiriusXM app or get in their car (whichever one you prefer) and go to channel 25. If you have Dish TV, you can turn to channel 6025 (as long as no stations have HD next to them). I'll post nominations here. This will happen during Alan Hunter's show. I don't know who will announce them. Everyone - post your final predictions by 7:50 and get on with it (I'm sticking with mine). It's time to know the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominations for the Class of 2021.

Posted by livingstonkiefer@gmail.com on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 06:39am

Channel 26 might work too. Meg Griffin is hosting over there.

Posted by Living Stone on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 06:46am

Channel 310 on the Sirius/XM app is Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Radio. They'll be announcing them there too.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 06:53am

After Def Leppard and somebody else, nominations are out. Whistleblow on social media.

Posted by Living Stone on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:01am

And the nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2021 are:

(This was leaked out on the website).

Carole King
Chaka Khan
Devo
Dionne Warwick
Fela Kuti
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Kate Bush
LL Cool J
New York Dolls
Rage Against the Machine
The Go-Gos
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren

Posted by Living Stone on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:11am

And Mary J. Blidge.

Posted by Living Stone on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 07:17am

So the Hall released their nominations and naturally they are a joke, no Pat Benatar, Mariah Carey, Duran Duran, Kraftwerk, Phil Collins, Jethro Tull, Motley Crue, Kool and the Gang or Dave Mathews. Those to me should all be on the nomination ballot.
I can't even find five that deserve induction with their list, after Carol King, then what? Tina Turner, never wrote a single thing. You want to induct a cover artists because she is black fine. Foo Fighters, who did they influence, a Dave Grohl side project after Nirvana, really? LL Cool J goes before Jay-Z in my opinion. I'm okay with the Go-Go's getting in. Maybe Chaka Khan for some more diversity? The NY Dolls, Rage against the Machine, Todd Rundgren, Blige, Kuti, Warwick (another black cover artist who wrote nothing) are all tosses. Devo is a maybe, how influential where they, to me not very. Kate Bush is a critics favorite that has no business on here. This list is about as lame as it gets, I'm not even sure who wins the fan vote here as every year I've called the winner.

Posted by Peter on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 09:45am

The truth is that nobody is ever going to be satisfied with the ballot no matter who is on it. The only way to please everyone is to have 30+ acts nominated to encompass everything and that is not going to happen.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 11:28am

So much to process...this is unlike any list they've ever done, and that's neither all good nor all bad...

More thoughts will be forthcoming, but I would like to see some reactions from others before I begin

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 12:00pm

Well, now the nominations are out, and....Dionne Warwick? Really. Who's next, Barbra Streisand? Anne Murray?

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 02/10/2021 @ 21:08pm

For years I thought that Pat Benatar was already in the RRHOF.

She wasn't.

Last year when she was finally nominated, I thought she'd be inducted . I mean, who would've thought a rap act and Whitney Houston would be inducted before Pat Benatar?

Again, she wasn't inducted.

This year I thought Pat Benatar would be nominated and be a sure bet for induction after having won the fan vote last year.

She wasn't .

What does the RRHOF have against Pat Benatar?

Posted by What does the RRHOF have against Pat Benatar?? on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 16:39pm

Posted by What does the RRHOF have against Pat Benatar?? on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 18:54pm

Pat Benatar wasn't nominated again (for now) because she didn't react to her nomination for the last class, which made the voters support some other act for an induction. Iron Maiden are doing the same thing too right now, and it goes to show that nobody cares about it. I feel the Halls wants too many names they can't have whether if it's just for a while or ever.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/12/2021 @ 19:08pm

what does the RRHOF have against Pat Benatar?

Posted by What’s taking so long? on Saturday, 02/20/2021 @ 00:52am

Here's my predictions on who would be inducted this year & who would be snubbed.

Who should be inducted:

Foo Fighters - They're definitely a lock for induction, Dave Grohl is probably one of the most inspiring rock legends of the modern era.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 07:52am

New month and now that we have a deadline I suppose I can update my predictions too.

Safe enough:
Carole King
Tina Turner
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters

Hopeless:
Kate Bush
Mary J Blige
LL Cool J
Dionne Warwick
Chaka Khan

Getting there, but still weary:
The Go-Go's

Wildcards:
Fela Kuti (Being first/second place may draw needed buzz and its clear the Hall wants to open the gates for more non-English acts like Can and Kraftwerk)
Rage Against The Machine (Three times a charm and seems like the perfect time to put them in)
Devo (Cleveland and New Wave has gotten love lately)
Todd Rundgren (Three times the charm and maybe might get in via back door)

Virtually unknown:
New York Dolls (Have the influence to the max, but suffer from a very limited discography unlike Roxy Music and T. Rex. It also has been nearly 20 years since their first nom and they were already on a stacked ballot before what will change? Seems more appropriate to have them be inducted in good old New York)

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 15:13pm

Plebian,

You forgot to include Iron Maiden in your latest predictions for the 2021 inductees, Which one of the following do you have them on?. Safe enough, Hopeless, Getting there, but still weary, Wildcards or Virtually unknown?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 15:27pm

Richie,

Thanks for noticing that mistake! I put them in wildcards. I could see a backlash from the rock purists or traditional rock people because of the very diverse ballot that could get them high up.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 04/8/2021 @ 16:15pm

I can't believe that Neil Sadaka has not entered the hall of fame yet. What is wrong with you people?

Posted by Sandee Formella on Wednesday, 04/21/2021 @ 21:21pm

Tough to predict this year. But here goes...

Foo Fighters: Confident they are getting in. Obvious headliner. They do not deserve it first ballot, IMO. There are at least a dozen other 90s artists I would rather see in first. But I can accept this.

Tina Turner: She is a solid choice that will make everyone happy. I still question her credentials when you study her solo career. Similar to Stevie Nicks I guess, but I was happy to see Stevie get in and will be happy to see Tina enshrined. Good for her.

Jay-Z: I would rather see LL Cool J make it, and I really don't see both making it in. LL Cool J couldn't get in when he was the only rapper on the ballot. Jay-Z is a slam dunk, public vote notwithstanding.

Carole King: The fourth of four I am totally confident with choosing. She should have been inducted a long time ago. I know Tapestry gets all the credit but her discography in the 70s is much richer than just that one album. She's in.

The Go-Gos: I am not as certain of this one but it feels like a safe bet. There has been quite a bit of chatter about them and I feel like many voters will find a way to honor them with a vote. Not sure of this but they feel more likely than most of the other acts left.

New York Dolls: I would not be at all surprised if they are left out. I could see either RATM or Todd Rundgren taking this spot, but I'm guessing (and hoping) the Dolls make it over the line.

There are seven acts I don't think have much of a chance.

Personal picks: New York Dolls, Kate Bush, LL Cool J, Carole King and Iron Maiden

The five I feel are most deserving: LL Cool J, Iron Maiden, Kate Bush, Jay-Z and Carole King (barely over Fela Kuti and Chaka Khan).

Posted by remy10 on Friday, 04/23/2021 @ 13:09pm

Here is a way to satisfy a lot of people ,
Diana Ross (for the second time)
Runaways as a builder (Joan Jett in twice)
Weird Al
Dr Demento as an early influence (done with the comedy music )
Iron Maiden
Styx ( as the soap opera band) the band where members hate each other

Posted by tj bronder on Wednesday, 08/11/2021 @ 12:34pm

KING'S Question Of The Day August 28, 2021. With Depeche Mode, Def Leppard, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, Nine Inch Nails, Tina Turner and others finally earning RRHOF Induction, I was wondering: Who do you believe are the 5 biggest omissions or snubs from the RRHOF? Here's a Quick King 5.
1. JUDAS PRIEST
2. DURAN DURAN
3. PAUL RODGERS
4. IRON MAIDEN
5. SCORPIONS
I'm probably missing some obvious ones but just wanted to get the discussion going. Here's a KING BONUS QUESTION: Do you believe The Sonics should be inducted into the RRHOF? Hope you FRL Regulars plus BEN, ENIG, ROY and others have an enchanting evening. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 08/28/2021 @ 21:15pm

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