The 2023 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

Update: Inductees have been announced!

The 2023 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were announced at 8am EST on February 1st. Inductees will be revealed in May, and will be honored at a ceremony in a location yet to be announced.


Nominee# of NomsGroup Members
Cyndi Lauper1st
George Michael1st
Sheryl Crow1st
Willie Nelson1st
Warren Zevon1st
Missy Elliott1st
Joy Division/New Order1stIan Curtis, Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris, Gillian Gilbert
The White Stripes 1stJack White, Meg White
A Tribe Called Quest2ndQ-Tip, Phife Dawg, Ali Shaheed Muhammad, Jarobi White
Iron Maiden2ndClive Burr, Paul Di’Anno, Bruce Dickinson, Janick Gers, Steve Harris, Nicko McBrain, Dave Murray, Adrian Smith, Dennis Stratton
Soundgarden 2ndMatt Cameron, Chris Cornell, Ben Shepherd, Kim Thayil, Hiro Yamamoto
Kate Bush4th
The Spinners4thHenry Fambrough, Billy Henderson, Pervis Jackson, Bobbie Smith, Philippé Wynne
Rage Against the Machine5thTim Commerford, Zack de la Rocha, Tom Morello, Brad Wilk




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Woah! Didn't know The White Stripes are eligible. But I just heard that they combined last year and this year.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:08am


the offical website hasnt updated yet, odd. theres no youtube upload yet either. anyway. ZEVON PLEASE also joy division!!!!! LETS GOOOOO very sad about no devo tho :((

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:09am


Just by looking at the nominees list, I would count Kate Bush, Warren Zevon, and Willie Nelson as virtual locks.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:13am


Wait so they screwed Coldplay over?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:14am


I just now noticed that it's 14 nominees instead of the usual 15/16. Wow, could've used it on Coldplay or other artists for those slots.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:20am


The biggest disappointment for me is the direction to go with a smaller group of nominees and possibly inductees. Bad direction for the Hall to go down.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:37am


theres 0 competion in the new wave slot, joy division are going straight in. that was devos problem, too much competion in that lane. interesting, i wonder of dave grohl has given up on devo, i really really hope not

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:37am


Yeah, it's a pretty small list of nominees. Wouldn't have minded if the list was a bit bigger. All deserving picks though. None of us saw them combining two years of eligibility but I'm fine with that. Given that they did that, I'm surprised Coldplay wasn't nominated. Especially since the list is so small, they wouldn't have to knock someone else off to make room. Maybe they didn't want too many first timers.

I ended up predicting 7 right. Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, and Soundgarden.

Most glad to see Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper and Sheryl Crow and that they brought back the Spinners. This is a really tough list to just pick five from though. No one I'd rule out.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:40am


my correct preidctions:

kate bush
tribe
sheryl
zevon
rage
soundgarden
willie

unfortunately i also predicted motorhead and 18 nominees, so im not right on everything

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:44am


I'm actually pleased with the number of nominees because this is probably the first time, I wouldn't mind any of them in. All are Hall worthy to me! A great class is guaranteed to me no matter what.

And if they stick with 7. You knock off half of these nominees.

Very pleased. Though I'm baffled at the exclusions of OutKast and Mariah on the ballot in general.
I hope they revisit The Smiths once JD/NO get in. But I suspect Morrissey is holding them back just like Corgan is for the Smashing Pumpkins.

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:44am


Inductees won't be announced until early May. Good lord that's a long time to wait!

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:44am


Now that the 2023 nominees have been announced, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:49am


THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

https://www.rockhall.com/2023-nominees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvWLi2EXOV4

OFFICIAL FAN VOTE LEADERBOARD - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

VOTE HERE - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/

AND HERE - https://futurerocklegends.com/2023_Nominees/

Willie Nelson
The Spinners
Warren Zevon
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Rage Against The Machine
A Tribe Called Quest
The White Stripes
Missy Elliott

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:50am


I probably would give this list a solid B. A good blend of men and female artists. Also, it runs the spectrum from Country to Rap to Pop to Metal. They could have waited on The White Stripes and Missy Elliott. It's like they put The White Stripes on so many of the HOF predictors would not receive a perfect paper. Finally, they have Warren Zevon and Willie Nelson on the ballot. It will be interesting to see if they both are inducted. Rage Against The Machine and Soundgarden on the same ballot. My guess 1 of the 2 will be inducted. George Michael is an interesting Wild Card here. He's been dead for over 5 years now but he was very popular with Wham! and in his Solo career. I would have went with DEVO or INXS but they do have Joy Division/New Order. It's a competitive ballot. Iron Maiden should be right on the cut line. A Tribe Called Quest had some good support on the voting last year. I could see them having another good showing. Very surprised Diana Ross and Mariah Carey were not on the list. I see Kate Bush being squeezed out again as Cyndi Lauper and Sheryl Crow are very popular. The B-52s did not make the list. A little surprised with all the buzz they were getting. The Spinners are uphill again. I would have went with Kool & The Gang. I think Willie Nelson is a lock. He's going to be 90 years old and should receive votes from the voters. Bad Company, Foreigner, Jethro Tull were shut out again. A little surprising. Would have enjoyed a 16 or 17 nominee ballot. This 14 nominee ballot is more compact and very competitive. Other than Rage Against The Machine and The Spinners, I think the other 12 could be inducted this ballot. I was surprised Sheryl Crow was on the list this time. She was on my list for 2023-2024. Rage Against The Machine is getting into J. Geils Band and MC5 territory if they fail to be inducted again. The NOMCOM did the right thing with NO MC5 or New York Dolls. Those bands had their chances to earn induction. Some new blood in the Nominations. There's plenty of interesting combinations that could be inducted. Roy is great at predicting possible combinations. I hope Soundgarden earns induction. Would open it up for Alice In Chains and Stone Temple Pilots etc. Could see Kate Bush receiving 1 of those Special Awards.
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:14am


No Kingston Trio
No Peter, Paul & Mary
No Monkees
No Jan & Dean
No Jethro Tull
No King Crimson
No Emerson, Lake & Palmer
No Spencer Davis Group
No Blood, Sweat & Tears
No Kool & The Gang
No Commodores
No Foreigner

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:17am


Bummed that The B-52's got snubbed again. They got so much positive publicity this past year for their farewell tour, that I really expected this would be their year.

Other than that, it's a pretty good ballot. I'm a big Hall advocate but I'm still not sold on the new direction of adding country superstars that never had a rockabilly phase.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:35am


i would like to vote for:

Kate Bush
Joy Division/New Order
Iron Maiden
A Tribe Called Quest
The White Stripes

It is hard to guess who will be inducted because almost all nominees are very competitive and important in pop music history

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:37am


Whooaa this is great the official Nominees for 2023. It has diversity.
I probably would give this list a solid A. A good blend of men and female artists. Also, it runs the spectrum from Country to Rap to Pop to Metal. They could have waited on The White Stripes and Missy Elliott. It's like they put The White Stripes on so many like us would be wrong. Finally, they have Warren Zevon and Willie Nelson on the ballot. I feel confident in Willie Nelson. Rage Against The Machine and Soundgarden on the same ballot. My guess is Soundgarden. George Michael is an interesting Wild Card here. He's been dead for over 5 years now but he was very popular with Wham! and in his Solo career. I would have went with INXS but they do have Joy Division/New Order. I am learning more about them. Iron Maiden should be right on the cut line. A Tribe Called Quest had some good support on the voting last year. I could see them having another good showing. Very surprised Mariah Carey were not on the list. I see Kate Bush being squeezed out again since Cyndi Lauper and Sheryl Crow are very popular. The B-52s did not makrock e the list. Ohh man. The Spinners are on the ballot again. I think Willie Nelson is a lock. He's going to be 90 years old. But what happened to Jethro Tull. And there is NO 1960s acts on the ballot. Ohh welll. I am NOT surprised about that. EARLY I is expanded for that. The Expanded edition for Early I should bring us 1960s this or next year. There is several 80s acts again. And Rage Against T M is becoming a very repetitive Nominee like J Geils Band etc. There is Fresh blood in the nominations. I willl absorb and Predict inductees. There is NO competition in the New wave slot. I have to get over my obsession with ARENA rock and learn more with JOY Division

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:41am


Wow. Zero Classic Rock. Jack White is the obvious successor of the Jeff Lynn trend that has been going on since Electric Light Orchestra was inducted. (Maybe you could argue someone from 2016 was part of the trend, like Terry Kath, Ritchie Blackmore, or even Dr. Dre, but Jeff Lynn is an obvious start.)

Surprised at The Spinners and no MC5. It looks like it's time for Early Influence MC5.

So, who is the biggest albums act and who is the biggest singles act?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:48am


This is a hard ballot.

Missy and stripes pop off it more so than George Michael and Warren Zevon.

Kate Bush kinda got screwed with Cyndi and jd/no

Maiden, Soundgarden, and rage cancel eachother

Willie is the lock

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:50am


Probably only 5 to 6 inductees

So

Sheryl, Michael, Missy, no/jd, white stripes, Willie

Add on: Kate

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:54am


Lol they snubbed Outkast on big boi's birthday

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:09am


Mat R,

Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Rage Against The Machine
7. Sheryl Crow
6. Warren Zevon
5. Soundgarden
4. Iron Maiden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:15am


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

If 7/Spoiler: Rage Against The Machine

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush

I think the voters will wait on both Missy Elliott and The White Stripes, I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance of getting in had they been nominated instead of JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the voting body, I don't think that they'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out (same with Missy). I'm going with the acts that are the highest in the fan vote right now (except Maiden) just like last year, Last year, they inducted the top 8 acts in the fan vote), so I think that this year, I think that they'll induct 6-7 of the top 8 acts in the fan vote.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:20am


Richie

White stripes are probably in a better spot than Soundgarden when you factor in that the entire recording industry is dependent on jack white pressing their vinyl.

He might be the best connected person nominated.

Only thing is he doesn't give a shit and meg doesn't either

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:26am


new york dolls and mc5 are 100% getting early influence now

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:30am


Mat R,

I just don't see The White Stripes as FYE inductees, especially if Radiohead couldn't get in FYE, Yes, I know that Jack White is beloved and well-respected and well-liked in the music industry, but I think that they'll induct either RATM or Soundgarden this year over The White Stripes, because if Radiohead couldn't get in FYE, then I highly doubt that The White Stripes will as well. so I really think that it's either RATM or Soundgarden's year for induction, as well as it should be.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:32am


14 NOMINEES; 7 INDUCTEES - YES, I THINK THEY WILL INDUCT HALF OF THEM - THAT'S THE PLAN

THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL
HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

MY 2023 ROCK AND ROLL
HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

1. The Spinners
2. Willie Nelson
3. George Michael
4. Cyndi Lauper
5. Kate Bush
6. Iron Maiden
7. Joy Division/New Order

WHEN VOTING SENIORITY

1. Willie Nelson
2. The Spinners
3. Warren Zevon
4. Kate Bush
5. Joy Division/New Order
6. Iron Maiden
7. George Michael

WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ARTISTS

1. The White Stripes
2. Missy Elliott
3. Sheryl Crow
4. Rage Against The Machine
5. A Tribe Called Quest
6. Soundgarden
7. Cyndi Lauper

WHEN VOTING FOR SOLO ARTISTS ONLY

1. Willie Nelson
2. Warren Zevon
3. Kate Bush
4. George Michael
5. Cyndi Lauper
6. Sheryl Crow
7. Missy Elliott

WHEN VOTING FOR BANDS ONLY

1. The Spinners
2. Joy Division/New Order
3. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
5. A Tribe Called Quest
6. Rage Against The Machine
7. The White Stripes

WHEN VOTING ROCKIST

1. Willie Nelson
2. Iron Maiden
3. Joy Division/New Order
4. Sheryl Crow
5. Soundgarden
6. Rage Against The Machine
7. The White Stripes

THERE REALLY ISN'T A WORST-CASE SCENARIO THIS YEAR, BUT I'LL TRY...

WORST-CASE SCENARIO – LOW CEREMONY ATTENDENCE AND BAD FOR TELEVISION RATINGS

1. Missy Elliott
2. The White Stripes
3. Kate Bush or Cyndi Lauper
4. Warren Zevon - DEAD
5. George Michael - DEAD
6. The Spinners - MOSTLY DEAD
7. Willie Nelson

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:34am


Richie

I didn't say they were.

Also I didn't say jack is beloved I said jack is depended upon in a way no one else is. He's literally how everyone makes money

Given the ballot he's in a better place than Soundgarden or rage.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:38am


Mat R,

I know that, but I think that this is a good ballot for either Rage or Soundgarden, As much as I love The White Stripes, I just have a hard time seeing them getting in FYE if Radiohead couldn't, so that's my biggest issue with them. Like I said, I really think that's it's either Rage or Soundgarden's time this year, as well as it should be.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:41am


Since FRL didn't list the individual members of the Spinners who will be included if inducted, they are Henry Fambrough, Billy Henderson, Pervis Jackson, Bobbie Smith and Philippé Wynne. Henry Fambough, who is still with the (current version of) the Spinners, and the only one of the nominees still living.

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:47am


My inductee predictions:
Kate Bush
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Missy Elliot
Joy Division/New Order
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:48am


Richie

Explain how it's a good ballot for either?

They're on their 5th (no one with 4+ has gotten in in a while) and 2nd nominations

They're competing with eachother

They're competing with Maiden, who are bigger

They're competing with white stripes, who are better connected

They're competing with Sheryl, who is 90s

Like I don't think you're outright wrong but this is a rumble tumble ballot

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:49am


Looking at the ballot a bit more...there is a horrifying high chance we end up with an all white class

Missy, Soundgarden, and rage seem 50/50 and Spinners and tribe feel unlikely af

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:56am


Rock Hall of Fame: George Michael, Kate Bush, Missy Elliott, White Stripes Lead Nominees
Cyndi Lauper, A Tribe Called Quest, Sheryl Crow, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Warren Zevon are also on the ballot
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rock-hall-of-fame-george-michael-kate-bush-missy-elliott-white-stripes-1234671202/

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Reveals 2023 Nominees
Two artists net a nomination during their first year of eligibility.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/rock-hall-fame-2023-nominations-list-1235209024/

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:12am


I think JD/NO is safe to be inducted.

Like roxy music in 2019 and t.rex in 2020, JD/NO is very important and influences many musicians.

What is more, it is the only new wave band and no other band will divide the ballots.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:14am


ChasingWildCat,

I don't think so, I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, They just don't have the commercial success and name recognition in the States that other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts have had, If The Smiths couldn't get in on their two tries, then I highly doubt that JD/NO will as well, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance of getting in had they been nominated instead of JD/NO.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:21am


Way too much to process in one post on a break at work. I will say, not to pile on, but Richie can't admit he was wrong about jd/no. They're going in based on trends. And I think no one picked the stripes because the consensus was they weren't eligible til next year. They are slam dunks for this ballot. Also, only 14 noms is insulting and disappointing because of the sheer backlog. Literally every act on this ballot has a chance to get in this year

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:35am


And we're back!

My immediate takeaways from this ballot -

- I love this group of artists, and I think each and every one of them have a very strong case for induction. There are so many different ways that this could play out, and I don't think that there are a lot of locks. Very exciting.

- I got 8 artists right on my final prediction (granted I predicted a ballot of 16).

- Wow so the "classic rock" era is just fully over, huh? We are well and truly into the 80s/90s/00s with this group of artists.

- No Outkast, B-52s, Mary J :(

- WHITE STRIPES ON THE BALLOT! Throwing off every single prediction here. Can't wait to see a "Reclusive Women of Rock and Roll" theme ceremony with Kate Bush and Meg White.

- Unfortunately it looks like this will be a pretty white class. Hopefully some of the other categories will be used to correct that a bit (Rufus/Chaka, Big Mama Thornton, etc.).

I'll be back later today with my predictions and thoughts on each artists chances!

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:45am


Oh also a 14 artist ballot is not bad at all as long as they keep a 7 artist + 3-6 special category inductee class. Fingers crossed.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:47am


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush

Spoilers: Rage Against The Machine, Missy Elliott

I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance had they been nominated instead of JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that there'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out, I'm going with the acts that are the highest in the fan vote right now (The top 7 acts in the fan vote right now are Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson, George Michael, Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, Warren Zevon and Sheryl Crow and I think that all of them will get in this year except Maiden) plus The White Stripes as the shoo-in FYE inductee and Kate Bush will get backdoored as Musical Excellence because once again this is a tough ballot for her, so I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:53am


Just off the top of my head, here's how I'd rank the likelihood of each artist being inducted. This will likely change by the time the inductees are announced.

1. Willie Nelson
2. The White Stripes
3. George Michael
4. Warren Zevon
5. Missy Elliott
6. Cyndi Lauper
7. Joy Division/New Order
8. Sheryl Crow
9. Iron Maiden
10. Kate Bush
11. Soundgarden
12. Rage Against The Machine
13. A Tribe Called Quest
14. The Spinners

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:55am


I have Covid this whole week so I've got all the time in the world to digest this list.

Very glad they stuck with JD/NO as a package, there's the face's precedent obviously but I was scared they'd go with only One or the Other

Soundgarden and Rage are gonna take away each others votes,

The singer songwriter lane would be perfectly clear for Zevon, if not for Nelson. This leads me to see Zevon as going in on AME, with Nelson in as performer.

Missy and Tribe I could see competing for ballot space, splitting votes. Missy might be more popular and maybe more acclaimed, but given the current hh inductees, I'd see them voting for tribe over missy

Sheryl Crow, shoe in. White Stripes I did not expect this year, bc I was going off the 26 years idea. Hmm. Ritchie makes a decent point, but they're going in FYE. Not only is Jack white a major favorite and vinyl juggernaut, but the white stripes are just super popular a la foo fighters and seven nation army can't be denied

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:06am


I'm very curious if they actually do 6 to 7 again instead of 5 to 6 despite the short ballot. The risk of no people of colour going in with a 5-6 person class feels way too high

This is the problem with the poptimist rock hall: big names (like George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson) take up half the ballot thanks to name power

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:06am


JD/NO is one of the most influential band in 80s. They have influenced lots of hall of famers like Radiohead, the Cure, U2, NiN, Depeche Mode. Members of these bands will likely vote for them with no doubt. Also, JD/NO has multiple greatest songs and albums recognized by rolling Stones magazine, they are recognized by industrial people. T.Rex and Roxy music also do not reach huge success in America, but they are inducted in FYE. Hence, it is reasonable to think JD/NO will be likely inducted.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:07am


Anybody have an idea as to when and where the ceremony will occur? Or does that get announced at a later date?

Posted by Robert F. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:08am


I think Nelson is locked to be inducted as well as he?should be.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:10am


I think Nelson is locked to be inducted as well as he?should be.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:13am


HOLY CRAP THAT IS A FANTASTIC LIST!

Kate Bush- not familiar with her work aside from Running Up That Hill
The White Stripes- SWEET! One of my favorite bands.
Missy Elliot- Can't go one year without rappers and this year it's three.
Iron Maiden- now that they're opening up to classic metal LET'S GET THEM IN
Willie Nelson- country legend
Warren Zevon- let's finish the heartland rockers (unless Kansas counts)
George Michael- not familiar with his work aside from Faith
Sheryl Crow- album rock revival era representative, and a good one
Cyndi Lauper- meh
Soundgarden- let's get it over with
The Spinners- ok choice
A Tribe Called Quest- let's just hope they only choose one rap act
Rage Against the Machine- acceptable
Joy Division/New Order- Why together?

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:34am


Joy Division are an absolute lock, Kate Bush I also think is a lock but with this populist ballot I'm more willing to see her getting AME. I actually think with a smaller ballot the class might be bigger, it's really hard to exclude any of these acts. The spinners are clearly a Questlove favorite, so if they're not voted in, AME for them

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:37am


Garrus,

I'm not sure if you're familiar with joy division and new order, but they are in effect, one band. Similar to small faces/faces, it doesn't make sense to count them separately

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:40am


Will M,

Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Rage Against The Machine
7. Sheryl Crow
6. Warren Zevon
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:41am


My first predictions:

Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
Missy Elliott
The White Stripes
George Michael
Soundgarden
Sheryl Crow

I HOPE Zevon, Maiden and Joy Division/New Order are in but this is a CROWDED ballot.

But as I said earlier, first year where any combination of inductees would please me.

I hope we get at least 7 inductees from this crop! 7 minimum should be the norm from now on, especially if they're shortening the package time on most side category inductees.

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:58am


God, I really hope homophobia doesn't affect George Michael that much. He deserves to waltz in but that really tarnished his rep for a long time.

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:01pm


rorschach,

It won't. Homosexuality has been normalized in both the US and the UK.

Anyway, I wanted to apologize on my end, because Warren Zevon is the Classic Rock act that has been nominated.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:03pm


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment and she'll get in as Musical Excellence instead of as a Performer this year)

Spoilers: Missy Elliott, Rage Against The Machine

I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance with voters had they gotten nominated instead of JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that we'll get a Rap/Hip-Hop act this year, so ATCQ is out.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:09pm


Rorschach,

How would homophobia block George Micheal? There's plenty of queer artists in already, Freddie Mercury, Elton John, Janis Joplin, Joan Jett, Bowie, Debbie Harry, etc

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:28pm


Also Rorshach I agree that any combo would make a super satisfying class.

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:30pm


Will M,

I did not know that about Joy Division & New Order. Very interesting.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:31pm


Those queer artists were NEVER a joke though.

Towards the last years of George's life, he had turned into a semi-joke. Especially during the time of the solicitation scandal. They were also, all rock stars first in the more traditional rockist sense. George Michael's genre of rock, pop/soft boy rock is already isn't the most respected , especially in aspects where it is a bit more feminine/girly. I distinctly remember that time.

Anyway, I'm hoping for the best!

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:34pm


Rorschach

George Michael became a joke because of homophobia. His career was literally derailed because of it.

If people didn't vote for him in 2023 cause of a series of gay jokes they heard in 1998 that's f****d up

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:52pm


I'm gonna try and predict this year's inductees based on last years inductees:
80s new wave (Duran Duran): JD/NO
80s female artist (Pat Benatar): Either Kate or Cyndi, most likely Kate
Newly eligible rap artist (Eminem): Missy Elliot
Country Artist (Dolly Parton): Willie Nelson
Singer-Songwriter (Carly Simon): Warren Zevon
2000s artist (also Eminem): The White Stripes
Artist that surprisingly did well in the votes (Eurythmics): The Spinners
Metal act* (Judas Priest): Iron Maiden
Artist with conncections to last year's ceremony (Lionel Richie): Sheryl Crow

*that may or may not get in through the side

Others who could slip in there:
Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, George Michael

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:58pm


I know very little about George Micheal personally. I've never heard most of his non wham hit songs, wasnt born yet in the 80s and 90s. My musical perspective is like entirely focused on classic rock. Did not know that about George Micheal. It's very sad that his career would be derailed by that yknow. I only view things from my modern perspective too, so George Micheal I've only seen as that iconic 80s pop guy. Other than wham bc I know the wham songs

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 13:03pm


I would say that Willie Nelson is easily inducted as a Performer and Warren Zevon gets a A ME award. Also I think Soundgarden finally get inducted. But I am still absorbing the rest

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 13:19pm


Willie Nelson is in because they like to induct icons regardless of genre crossovers.
Warren Zevon is in because the classic rockers will be united behind him.
I suspect Kate Bush is in not only because of the "Running Up That Hill" revival but in addition to the many recent new wave artists adding to the voting rolls, also I think the classic rock inductees are actually going to be firmly behind her corner too. There aren't any extremely obvious classic rock artists this time unlike the other years when she was on the ballot (Pat Benatar last year and Foo Fighters the year before, who are getting classic rock airplay now.) She was discovered by David Gilmour, she dueted with Peter Gabriel, Benatar covered "Wuthering Heights" on her biggest album (and I honestly thought Benatar's induction actually helped Bush even before Stranger Things), and I wonder if she'll get some love from the other artists she shared soundtrack space with (Journey, Beach Boys, Talking Heads, KISS, James Taylor, Metallica.) Like I could totally see Journey voting for her this year when they wouldn't have in the past solely due to the soundtrack reviving both of their songs.

The rest is less obvious.

I think Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, and RATM are all out since they'll split the vote with each other.
I also think White Stripes won't make it because they will split the hard rock vote with those other three, just like 2020 when all the hard rockers split the ballot with each other, and none of them get classic rock radio play while there simply aren't enough metal or alt people to get them inducted.
White Stripes are legends to young people but there aren't a lot of young people in the Hall and I question whether they're legends to the old classic rock guys. They aren't getting played on classic rock radio and to that set I think they're viewed as something like Deep Purple where they are perceived as having a few iconic guitar songs but little more. And Deep Purple was seemingly more in their wheelhouse and took three nominations. You could say Deep Purple had a lot of classic rock competition, but White Stripes has a lot of modern rock competition. Foo Fighters got played on modern rock radio constantly while White Stripes wasn't as big on alt rock radio as even like Linkin Park or Incubus. I also think they are more popular with critics than the public, and none of that bodes well for them. If they had chosen Coldplay instead of White Stripes, who have had constant radio hits for decades, I think they would have gone straight in but White Stripes won't. I also think there are some people who are going to be annoyed at them jumping the line, particularly them being declared eligible when people thought they weren't going to be.
Kate Bush will keep Cyndi Lauper out.
Missy Elliott will keep ATCQ out.
Everybody's picking Sheryl Crow because she's an industry insider but I think it will take two or three for her. People will think she's jumping the line when the voting body seems to be thirsting for '70s/'80s women. Lionel Richie got in with his industry connections because he was linked with the legends who had been in the hall for decades (writing We Are the World and stuff) but it seems like it's only the super top tier people in the '90s who are getting inducted. She seems roughly analogous to Dave Matthews in that both will get in but it'll be viewed as way too soon. And I do think the classic rockers are going to go for Kate Bush (who is their peer and contemporary and also has links with more of them I think) than Crow.
I suppose the Spinners could get some love from the old voters. They haven't in the past, but like Kate Bush, I think they could get some classic rock votes this time when they haven't in the past since they were peers and contemporaries, but then again Dionne Warwick didn't and they were historically linked so I'm guessing not.

I think Joy Division/New Order, George Michael, and Missy Elliott will get the last three spots but they're not slam dunks.

Joy Division/New Order will probably get in because there are a lot of new wavers inducted now or people who influenced/followed them (Kraftwerk, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Roxy Music, Nine Inch Nails), and it seems that critically acclaimed and influential British bands with only a couple mainstream hits consistently do well (T. Rex, Roxy Music) while strangely critically acclaimed and influential American acts with minor chart success generally don't. It's not a guarantee though.

Missy Elliott is firmly going to have critics and black voters in her corner, which I think will be enough to push her over the line, especially because most of the critics' acts have conflicts except for JD/NO and Elliott (the '90s/2000s alt rockers especially.)

George Michael is well-liked in the industry and was globally huge for a much longer period of time than Cyndi Lauper and he seems to fit the now-traditional MTV icon slot, but his arrest did kill his career in America even though he remained massively popular everywhere else, but this is an American institution, so enduring success in America matters more than enduring success globally. The last person to get inducted who was wronged by the culture was Janet Jackson but it took her three nominations. I'm less sure about him than most others are, but I think he'll get it.

So I'm saying:

Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
Kate Bush
Joy Division/New Order
Missy Elliott
George Michael

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 13:37pm


I see people citing a lack of USA Top 40 hits for The Joy Division and New Order as a reason for them not being inducted this year. Two thoughts… that's why it was called "alternative" (before that meant something different in the '90s), and also, the legacy of both groups (but especially New Order) casts a much longer shadow today than the charts suggests. New Order songs are almost cliche "needle drops" for movies or trailers that want to instantly tell you it's the 1980s. Wonder Woman 1984 used New Order's Blue Monday to such a degree that younger fans probably do think it was a huge pop hit in the USA.

Posted by Bookhouse on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 14:03pm


What is more, new order is also extremely important in electronic music history, which will increase its case. I think their synth-pop contemporaries and people following them (depeche mode, eurythmics, u2, the cure, nine inch nails, radiohead ) will vote for jd/no. Also, jd/no is well recognized by critics of The Rolling Stone Magazine. It has three all-time great albums and songs in rolling stone's list.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 14:03pm


Rolling Stone Top 500 Album List Appearances

475. Sheryl Crow - Sheryl Crow
449. Elephant - The White Stripes
309. Closer - Joy Division
262. Power, Corruption & Lies - New Order
237. Red Headed Stranger - Willie Nelson
221. Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine
211. Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division
201. Midnight Marauders - A Tribe Called Quest
184. She's So Unusual - Cyndi Lauper
151. Faith - George Michael
93. Supa Dupa Fly - Missy Elliott
68. Hounds of Love - Kate Bush
43. The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 14:42pm


Some quick first thoughts.

Wonderful to see Joy Division finally get some attention, could and should have been inducted long ago. Willie Nelson is a logical choice after the recent legend inductions of Dolly Parton, Joan Baez and Nina Simone. White Stripes is a no brainer. Kate Bush has the best chance ever and this should finally be her year.

These four acts are top of my list, Sheryl Crow comes close at 5. Missy Elliot and Iron Maiden would make a fine class. If there's still a spot, I'd place The Spinners, they had to wait way too long.

Posted by MichaelEU on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 14:55pm


Here's my initial thoughts (Part 1):

Kate Bush: As expected, we get another nomination for Kate Bush, after she had one of the best years for a legacy artist since Johnny Cash scored a final hit with his cover of "Hurt." The expectation was that Bush would easily score a nomination and likely waltz in on the momentum from "Running Up That Hill" hitting the charts again from its appearance on "Stranger Things." The nomination is done; but for an actual induction… it's unfortunate, but I'm not seeing it. In terms of lanes, she's got Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott and Cyndi Lauper on the female artists side, Joy Division/New Order and George Michael on the beloved British acts end of things, and Willie Nelson and Warren Zevon crowding out the singer/songwriter spot. If Kate Bush was going to get in, it'll be this year; and she will remain a potential spoiler. But I can easily see her getting snubbed again in favor of more recognizable artists, despite the push she's had.

Sheryl Crow: Getting in, no question. Sheryl Crow has been an industry standby, and friend of the Rock Hall, for the majority of her career. She also has an easy pickup for the classic rock space that Pat Benatar took last year, as Warren Zevon is the only act that comes close to filling that lane. Given her relationship with the Hall, her career longevity and commercial success, she's likely the biggest lock of this year's class.

Missy Elliott: This year brings us our first female hip hop nominee, with Missy Elliott taking the slot before Salt-n-Pepa, Queen Latifah or the Fugees. Elliott ticks all the boxes that usually lends itself to an easy induction: commercial success, critical acclaim, and a long career including work as a producer, songwriter and featured artist. She's not the slam dunk hip hop nominee that Jay-Z or Eminem were; but, given the lack of pop/R&B crossover acts that the Hall has favored the past few years, she has the best chance for any non-white artist to make it in this year.

Iron Maiden: After Judas Priest got backdoored last year, it was only a matter of time before Maiden got a second nomination. Maybe there's a hope that, given there's now a sense of momentum for metal in the Hall, they might have a shot. Unfortunately, the genre has always struggled with the voters, with acts like Priest scraping the bottom of the vote counts every year. Given that more recent acts like Soundgarden or Rage Against the Machine, that had more crossover success, have also struggled in the voting, I don't think Maiden has a shot in hell of getting in this year.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:08pm


(Part 2):

Joy Division/New Order: A welcome inclusion for this year, taking the Devo slot for synth-based acts that has been previously filled by Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails and the Cure. It feels a little like cheating to combine the two bands, despite that it's mostly the same people involved in both iterations: one is a post-punk underground act whose work was touched by the tragic suicide of their lead singer; the other a foundational bridge between rock music and EDM, helped with their immense success in England and growing recognition in the U.S. I'd like to say they will score a quick induction… that said, I don't think it's going to be their year. Synth bands have struggled with the Hall; and JD/NO will be competing against George Michael (a more successful artist in line with the Hall's recent focus on MTV-era stars) and Kate Bush (a beloved alternative artist with more recent momentum in terms of recognition). I think it will take them a few more shots before they get in.

Cyndi Lauper: One of this year's first nominations for a major MTV icon from the heyday of the network, Lauper on paper looks like a marginal candidate: as a pop star, her success was limited to a shorter period of time than many of her peers who have been inducted in the past, despite a handful of hits that have stood the test of time. However, Lauper has remained a beloved figure and major force in the industry: she's one award away from an EGOT, with multiple projects involving her that have found success in a variety of media. The Hall has definitely been pulling in the MTV icons, particularly the female ones, that have been passed over up to this point: Lauper will be the beneficiary of that push for this year.

George Michael: This year's other big MTV icon amongst the nominees, and one who's been given increased support and shoutouts from other musicians and industry figures involved with the hall. Michael had a career that had built over many years, from his time in Wham! to his solo career, where he briefly found himself one of the biggest artists in the world. That success ended up being shorter lived than it should have been, due to industry homophobia; and he found myself marginalized by the time of his tragically too young death. In most instances, I would expect him to get in, without question; the only thing that might bump him out of the class is the Hall's reluctance to give an inductee slot to an artist who's no longer with us. Otherwise, I think he has a strong shot at getting in, given the Hall's recent focus on MTV-era stars.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:12pm


Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Rage Against The Machine
6. Warren Zevon
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:14pm


Sorry everyone: I'm trying to post the rest of my notes; but I keep getting caught by the site's spam filter. Luckily I copied and pasted my review before I hit submit the first time; but now it won't let me paste the rest of them into the comments.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:18pm


Ok, so, I know it hasn't even been a day yet, but I already have predictions for next year. HOWEVER, it is just 1 prediction, and it is that Coldplay is definitely a lock for next year's ballot. My theory is that The Stripes being nominated this year is an experiment of sorts, testing the waters a bit in case they decide to merge years again, leaving Coldplay and possibly some of the other big newly eligible acts (DC, QOTSA, Muse, Lauryn Hill, Britney, etc) for next year.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:27pm


Also I'm sure we can all agree that this ballot is 10x better than last year's, yes?

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:29pm


None of this year's nominees are in the Top 10 in voting on Future Rock Legends. We're not getting anything right this year.

https://futurerocklegends.com/Statistics/

Most YES and NO votes combined

1. Tokio Hotel
2. Devo
3. Coven
4. Britney Spears
5. Jethro Tull
6. Nickelback
7. Backstreet Boys
8. Blink-182
9. Mariah Carey
10. Beyonce

Most YES Votes

1. Tokio Hotel
2. Devo
3. Coven
4. Jethro Tull
5. Nickelback
6. Britney Spears
7. Blink-182
8. Alice In Chains
9. Emerson Lake and Palmer
10. The Monkees

Most NO Votes

1. Tokio Hotel
2. Britney Spears
3. Coven
4. Beyonce
5. Destinys Child
6. Mariah Carey
7. Backstreet Boys
8. Rihanna
9. Justin Bieber
10. Steve Perry

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:32pm


Raichu

Yes but also weirdly less wild. Like there's no Fela Kuti or bad brains or dolly or someone straight out of left field. Feels like a very very safe class

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:34pm


Mat R,

Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Warren Zevon
6. Rage Against The Machine
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:37pm


Raichu,

idk. last year had devo, mc5, and new york dolls, all of whom are amongst my biggest snubs, plus all the acts who got in, pat benatar carly simon duran duran judas priest, and who returned to the ballot, kate bush and rage. this year is much more well rounded, but last year had more artists i wanted in, 9, while this year has just 6, kate, rage, zevon, iron maiden, jd/no, and soundgarden.

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:40pm


Mat,

I think White Stripes was the left field pick, cause I bet you literally no one expected it to happen this year.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:41pm


Raichu

Yea but that's cause they changed the rules not because they're someone no one thought would ever be nominated

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:45pm


Mat r,

agreed. the only "wild card" was white stripes and thats just cause we all thought theyd be next year. its a less interesting class. also, honestly im kinda disapointed that they jumped to 98. the real problem the hall needs has to adress is the backlog, adding more years does not solve that. i think the solution might be to make it 30 years, while not discounting all the 93-98 artists. it seems absurd to me that we might be adressing king crimson and kanye west within the same year. we need makeup years to clean up the backlog and address people like cher jethro tull the damned and the monkees before theyre gone.

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:46pm


worth noting: at this point, kanye is never getting in. pr nightmare, could also be ratings heaven, but pr nightmare. John Mellancamps whole speech last year was reacting to kanye. motley crue are more likely than him now

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:49pm


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I see her being this year's LL Cool J/Judas Priest, She'll get in this year because of the resurgence she's had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoilers: Rage Against The Machine, Missy Elliott, Joy Division/New Order

Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that there'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 16:04pm


At the very least, if I could pick the inductees:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Warren Zevon
and if there's a 6th slot: A Tribe Called Quest

And here's who I think will get in:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
and either Kate Bush or Soundgarden

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 16:19pm


This is a hard ballot to predict with Willie Nelson and Warren Zevon being the only ones who are lock. But here are my wishlists on who I want to see from the ballot get inducted this year:

Missy Elliott
A Tribe Called Quest
The Spinners
Joy Division/New Order
Kate Bush
Warren Zevon
George Michael

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 16:53pm


And once again the question is begged: Just who did Ian Anderson piss off and what did he say to piss them off? 30 years eligible and Jethro Tull not even having a nomination is unconscionable! One of the many reasons no one considers the hall credible. And I'm starting to wonder the same thing about Billy Corgan, although it's a lot easier to imagine him pissing a LOT of people off, but Smashing Pumpkins are among the iconic 90s rock bands I figured would be nominated within 2-3 years of eligibility. It has not been 8! Once again the Hall of Shame!

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 17:40pm


Interesting thing I noticed on the rock hall website page about the white stripes: they single out Michel Gondry. Have they ever done that for a music video director before? They didn't mention hype Williams on Missy's page despite also talking about her music videos so I'm surprised.

I've been talking about how they need to get a video director in for a while so I'm curious.

Ahmet Ertegun Award for Gondry would make a lot of sense when you look at his career in videos

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 17:47pm


Missy Elliott, Joy Division/New Order, Sheryl Crow, RATM, Kate Bush & Willie Nelson are pretty much likely choices for induction this year. As for Soundgarden, Iron Maiden & Tribe, they might need one more nomination in order to finally be inducted. Cyndi Lauper would likely take 2 nominations since that happened with Pat Benatar. Then Warren Zevon & The Spinners would be sure things not to get voted in as performers but instead through special categories like Early Influence & Musical Excellence. The White Stripes are very worthy but they're facing a little competition with aforementioned acts RATM, Maiden & Soundgarden plus it's too soon for them.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 17:49pm


My correctly predicted nominees:

George Michael
Sheryl Crow
Rage Against the Machine
A Tribe Called Quest
Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper

This ballot has the fewest acts I care all that much about ever but it would be nice to see Willie, Sheryl Crow, and Soundgarden get in.

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 17:50pm


My correctly predicted nominees:

George Michael
Sheryl Crow
Rage Against the Machine
A Tribe Called Quest
Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper

This ballot has the fewest acts I care all that much about ever but it would be nice to see Willie, Sheryl Crow, and Soundgarden get in.

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 17:51pm


Jordan Einstein,

but Cyndi Lauper is currently in the lead in the online fan vote and the Rock Hall doesn't want another Dave Matthews Band situation with bad PR where the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted, so please put Kate Bush in Musical Excellence and put Cyndi in in her place.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:03pm


WANT
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Sheryl Crow

NONPARTISAN
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
Rage Against the Machine
George Michael

DO NOT WANT
A Tribe Called Quest
Missy Elliot
Kate Bush
Cyndi Lauper

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:26pm


Class based solely on my personal taste:
1. Kate Bush
2. A Tribe Called Quest
3. The White Stripes
4. Joy Division/New Order
5. Missy Elliott
6. The Spinners
7. Rage Against the Machine

What I think it SHOULD be:
1. George Michael
2. Missy Elliott
3. Kate Bush
4. Iron Maiden
5. Joy Division/New Order
6. The Spinners
7. Willie Nelson

What I think it will be:
1. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
3. Sheryl Crow
4. The White Stripes
5. Joy Division/New Order
6. Kate Bush
7. Missy Elliott

tbh I am only confident about #1 and 2, and the only nominees I'm feeling confident will NOT be on here are The Spinners, Iron Maiden, Rage, and Tribe. Zevon, Lauper, and Soundgarden are very much still in the mix.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:40pm


RG,

Cyndi Lauper is currently in the lead in the online fan vote, The Rock Hall doesn't want another PR nightmare with the bad publicity of the fan vote winner not getting inducted just like with Dave Matthews Band back in 2020, I think she's getting in this year, as well as she should be.

As much as I love Kate Bush, I think she's getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year, I think she'll get in this year, but it will be via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:47pm


interesting idea garrus

WANTS
Rage,
Zevon
Kate Bush
Maiden
JD/NO
soundgarden

nuetral on
literally everyone else

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:51pm


Will M,

Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Warren Zevon
6. Rage Against The Machine
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:55pm


With the way music journalists are talking about Missy's nomination, I can put as a "near-lock" along with Willie and Warren Zevon.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 19:07pm


John R.C.,

Here's the current standings in the online fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Warren Zevon
6. Rage Against The Machine
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 19:10pm


The most interesting, and perhaps the best, nominee list in a long time.

Only definite lock is Willie Nelson. No other real competitor (other then slightly Zevon), a huge and influential name who will soon be in his 90s and was a highly wanted hall addition for years. I'd expect almost all ballots to give him the nod to get him in while he's still alive.

Kate Bush should be a lock given she's had enough interest to be on multiple ballots before the RUTH surge. Some of the pop or electronic acts might take some votes, but there's momentum and urgency here that others will have chances the upcoming year but if Bush can't pull it off this year she never will. So I think she has it this time.

Zevon should also be a lock, no real acts that would steal his votes and he's right in with the individuals and musicians who'd vote for the hall. Heavy campaigning helps.

From there, 3-4 spots remain depending. Sheryl/Lauper/Michael will be battling for at least one spot for the pop acts (and Bush is so different that I don't think she'll take votes from them or them from her), likely down to Lauper or Michael. RATM/Soundgarden/Maiden/Stripes for a rock spot. Either could have 2. Each of these will take votes from each other for being similar and will hurt each others chances. Quest, Elliot and Spinners I can't see having the momentum in this class to make it.

Which leaves Joy Division/New Order as the absolute wild card here. What makes them interesting is the insane influence they have in both the post-punk and synth/electronic genres, which then spread out dramatically from them. This might give them a wide net of voters compared to other acts focused on either genre. Though it remains to be seen if there is finally enough voters in the hall influenced by them to actually give them the vote the way T Rex or Roxy Music got in.

So final prediction is Nelson, Bush, Zevon, Lauper, Soundgarden and Joy Division/New Order. Some who didn't make it this year will next year for sure.

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 19:33pm


Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2023 next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 19:56pm


Greg F,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 20:13pm


This year's batch of nominees are continuing the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and its commitment to diversifying the nomination process and who is considered. I think the nominees are well qualified for induction and I could see each of them go in now or years from now. Although I must admit I am not sure if Sheryl Crow is the lock many think she is. Where I to decide which 6 or 7 Performers get inducted (and I do hope the amount of people who are inducted is as large as last year), my vote is going to be for the following.

Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
Missy Elliott

Either one of them could get in through the back door by way of special categories induction. Even so, if there is an eight inductee from the nominee list and goes into the Hall of Fame with an AME award; I will go with Rage Against the Machine. It appears to me that this forthcoming class will be one of the recent sorts that emphasizes overlooked artists who should have been inducted years ago.

A fitting selection of potential inductees,

Lax40

Posted by Lax40 on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 20:19pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxSStQJopjA

found this upload, interview with a member of the mueseums staff, jason hanley,

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 20:28pm


he mentions maidens place on the mueasum kioask poll being a majpt factor for iron maiden. mustve given them the push over motorhead, who were nominated before maiden and are also a favorite of dave grohl.

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 20:32pm


I too wonder if the performers list might wind up pretty white. Missy Elliott is phenomenally successful, but I'm not sure the older guard of music critics nor the classic rock performer voters really know her well enough to vote for her. She may very well be handicapped by not elevating her name brand via generating a ton of controversy (like Eminem or Tupac & Biggie), much like LL Cool J was never particularly controversial and kept getting snubbed.

However, if the Hall is smart, they can prepare for that by making sure that there are people of color going in through the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories. I happen to know for instance that The Wailers at least will be discussed in the Musical Excellence meetings (going in via the same route the E Street Band got in); because I personally lobbied for that to happen via a well known member of the nominating committee, who liked the idea and assured me that the suggestion would at least be considered. They may not actually get it (there are certainly a lot of worthy choices!), but at least I made sure they were actively thinking about it!

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 20:43pm


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoilers: Missy Elliott, Rage Against The Machine

I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO, because The B-52's and INXS have had more commercial success in America than JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that there'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 21:29pm


oh damn Shrek, did not know you had those connections. would absolutely love the wailers being considered and hopefully inducted! 2012 didnt fix enough of the backing artists problems, hopefully that might lead to more like crazy horse the belmonts silver bullet band the mothers of invention, and full bands with just a solo artist like wings runaways and chic

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 21:36pm


I see Kate Bush, and probably the White Stripes, as being favorites to be inducted. Kate gives them almost no choice, because her song was so hugely popular in its revival in Stranger Things, and that will generate a huge buzz and an instant guarantee of eyeballs towards the RRHOF. Likewise, the White Stripes, similar to Green Day in 2014, are fresh in the minds of younger music fans, and Jack White has been ever present since the disbanding of the Stripes. Remember, the Hall is all about increasing visitors and popularity. They will listen to the crotchety old people, so to speak, in small portions, but it's the younger generations who are the future of the franchise.

And Richie, I hope with every fiber of my being that JD/NO is inducted so I can remind you as often as possible that your doubting is unfounded. I don't know why this gets to me, but you sound like a broken record lol...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 21:37pm


K-Dawg,

I see Kate Bush getting in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J and Judas Priest treatment (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did).

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 21:42pm


top reasons for inducting joy division new order
3 their massive influence
2 my love of their music
1 proving ritchie wrong

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:17pm


Will M,

but IMO, I see JD/NO taking 2-3 nominations to get in just like The Cure, Depeche Mode, Eurythmics and Nine Inch Nails, I just think that had The B-52's or INXS been nominated this year instead of JD/NO, I think that they would have had a much better chance of getting in FYN than JD/NO, I see JD/NO being more in line with Devo and The Smiths and it'll take them multiple nominations to get in just like Devo and The Smiths.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:22pm


Ranking the nominees from most to least likely

Locks
1. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson (could suffer from some Dolly related backlash but feels unlikely cause it's Willie)
3. Kate Bush (I feel she's going in. Might not be on the ballot but if she doesn't get the votes I'm sure they'll give her AME)

Very Close
4. Sheryl Crow (gimme)
5. Warren Zevon (I can't picture a guy this connected and well liked by musicians being left off, especially as he's the most classic rock artist)
6. Joy Division/New Order (Ever present in culture despite cult status, really big with the UK voters and critics)

50/50
7. Missy Elliot (the strongest rap candidate but possibly to weird or maybe even obnoxious for older performer voters, she's also been away for a long time)
8. White Stripes (critical and industry darlings, Jack is basically the last rock star, however they will not show up)
9. Cyndi Lauper (strong chance as she's super well liked but might lose votes to both George Michael and Kate Bush)
10. Iron Maiden (biggest band on the ballot easily but have spoken ill of the hall and not exactly critical darlings)
11. Soundgarden (strong contender but some of the spark feels gone after missing in 2020 and now have to deal with Rage and Maiden)

30% Chance
12. The Spinners (boomer nostalgia combined with really they're not in?!?!)
13. Rage Against the Machine (5th ballot in 6 years suggest closeness but with Soundgarden and Maiden seems difficult)
14. A Tribe Called Quest (they def did well last year but they were likely the critical darlings and the raphad pick, this year with Missy, Zevon, Michael, Stripes they can't claim either to themselves)

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:31pm


yknow ritchie i get your point. but think of how many inductees would vote for jdno. a lot. joe walsh, the cure, rem, nin, eurythmics, talking heads, u2, depeche mode, blondie, the clash pretenders duran duran elvis costello and the police. prpbably a lot more too im blanking on. on top of their soaring critical acclaim, theyll be seen by the industry executive voters. same goes for kate bush and warren zevon as well

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:36pm


Mat R,

Here's the current standings in the online fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Warren Zevon
6. Rage Against The Machine
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:37pm


Mat R,

I think you're underestimating Cyndi Lauper's chances and overestimating Kate Bush's chances, Cyndi is currently in the lead in the online fan vote and nearly every fan vote winner has gotten inducted in the same year except Dave Matthews Band, so I see Cyndi getting in this year, as well as she should be, I think that Kate Bush will get the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year, In other words, She'll get in as Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did, rather than as a Performer.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:42pm


richie

i don't think i am. the reason she is where she is is because i'm thinking it's a 6 person performer class (with Kate going in as either - that's why she's so high because i'm confident she goes in somehow)

I think there are 2 locks beyond Kate (90% chance or better), 3 very strong contenders (65% or better), and 5 50/50 acts where it's kind of an open field. Her issue is the actual votes cause you gotta remember: she's 80s pop and two very big contenders are 80s pop and they had better careers than her and she's got a kinda diva reputation.

Fan vote doesn't matter much sure Dave Matthews is the only #1 to miss but Fela missed in 2021, NIN in 2015, Benatar in 2020. That's a good number of runner ups missing

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:58pm


It's the first day of the fan vote. And, given what they did to the Crue, the fan vote in the end means jack...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 23:00pm


Mat R,

but I classify Kate Bush as 80's Alternative, rather than as 80's Pop, Cyndi and George Michael are both 80's Pop/MTV stars, so I see them both getting in this year continuing the trend of inducting 80's MTV icons in recent years.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 23:05pm


Hey guys, I haven't been here for awhile. Good comments. If you are interested, I have a YouTube channel called Amity Tracks which covers music. I just posted a video on this batch of nominees with my thoughts and predictions. Would love it if you wanted to check it out and comment with your thoughts and predictions. Finally Joy Division/New Order. Figured they'd do that after Small Faces/Faces. I've also argued for years for Willie Nelson. If Cash is in, it makes sense to have Willie.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 23:11pm


Richie

Kate is alt pop which is a flavour of pop also the MTV icon thing didn't get Benatar or the Eurythmics in on ballot 1 and hasn't gotten Devo in and Judas Priest and LL Cool J had to take a side category. There's no science to the MTV thing

It's a competitive ballot richie

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 23:13pm


Mat R,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoilers: Missy Elliott, Rage Against The Machine

I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO, because The B-52's and INXS have had more commercial success in America than JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that there'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 23:21pm


Repeating a comment over and over doesn't make it a fact. Joy Division/New Order had commercial success in America and are hugely influential to the medium. Last year everyone was saying the Eurythmics wouldn't get in because of Duran Duran being on the same ballot. They went in, and the committee has a mission to get in all the big names in 80s new wave. Your little perception may not see it, but Joy Division/New Order are on that pantheon with Eurythmics, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, the Cure and the Cars. Repeat that silly copy and paste comment all you want, it doesn't make it the least bit true.

Let's change the subject so Richie quits repeating himself guys...who, if anyone, is the biggest shock to you on this ballot? I have to personally say Warren Zevon. Not because he wasn't worthy, he definitely should have gone in years ago when he was still alive, but because the Hall did finally get back to correcting one oversight even if they create 4 or 5 more in the process...like Bad Company, Foreigner, Kansas, et al.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 00:43am


K-Dawg,

but JD/NO are not on the same level as The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, I think that The B-52's and INXS are more on the same level as The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, I see JD/NO more on the same level as Devo, The Smiths, The Replacements, Pixies and Sonic Youth, acts that were massively influential, but lack the commercial success in America that other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts have had, so I see JD/NO taking a few tries to get in just like The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode and Eurythmics.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 00:54am


Iron Maiden could increase the chances of Dio.

Sheryl Crow could increase the chances of more album rock revivalists like Alanis Morrissette, Hootie & the Blowfish, and Counting Crows

Soundgarden could increase the chances of more grunge bands like Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, and Smashing Pumpkins

Joy Division/New Order could increase the chances of more post punk like the Smiths, Echo & the Bunnymen, and the Psychedelic Furs

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 02:06am


Richie, just stop with your take on Joy Division-New Order.

I agree with K-Dawg, Joy Division-New Order made innovation by being one first Post-Punk bands to embrace synthesizers and helped shaped on the New Wave, Synthpop, and also Alternative genres. They are also widely influential and made in impact on not just their home country, but on America as well. I have seen the artwork of their album "Unknown Pleasure" plaster every from t-shirts and posters, and is also recognizable and iconic the same way as "Abbey Road" and "The Dark Side of the Moon". And also, "Blue Monday" is still being played everywhere in not just the radio, but on movie trailers and needle drops in movies and TV shows.

So please, Richie, stop downplaying Joy Division-New Order. Downplaying them just make sound like you don't want them inducted and they are undeserving. The band(s) deserve induction and I hope they do this year (along with Missy Elliot and A Tribe Called Quest).

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 02:31am


K-Dawg

To answer your question, The White Stripes are my biggest surprise to see on the ballot because of the weird technicality on the eligibility date this year.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 02:33am


The Stripes first single was in 1998.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 02:45am


Madonna has her dubut in 1983 and she is inducted in 2008. So can the White Stripes.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 02:48am


Yeah, but they are still using 1997 as the "25 year rule" for this year because of a change in schedule in 2020. We didn't even predict the 1998 eligible artists and we expected them for next year's ballot.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:03am


Forgot to add that the Hall also unexpected made this rule change and we know of this in the announcement. So yeah, I'm sticking The White Stripes as my biggest surprise for this year's ballot.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:06am


John RC,

Very true. I don't think any of the regulars on the FRL board had picked them. We all had them in line for 2024. Maybe they're thinking Coldplay won't get in their FYE if there's competition. And the weird Green Day situation of their induction way too early comes to mind as well. Technically, they were eligible back in 2014, but they had neither the influences nor the biggest album hits of theirs to go in.

Thank you for telling our tape recorded statement individual to tone it down. If I told him Ian Curtis had Stiff Person Syndrome, I think he'd be all over that nomination (sorry if that's out of bounds, I got tired of his Celine Dion argment concurrently).

So, everyone. Let's not focus so much on predictions of who's going in. There's a plethora of other topics about this very deserving class that we can tackle. We've got 3 months, so let's make it interesting!

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:11am


The change of time of declararion of nominees may cause the White Stripes situation.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:18am


If Soundgarden and RATM are inducted in, who will be the next 90's rock bands to be inducted?

Posted by chasingWildcat on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:19am


PREDICTIONS
Missy Elliot
Sheryl Crow
Joy Division & New Order
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
Warren Zevon
The White Stripes

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:37am


I wonder how many nominees will be inducted in as there are only 14 nominees. I think only 6 nominees will be inducted.

There are no clear headliners in this year.

I believe Fela Kuti, MC5, New York Dolls all have chances to be inducted by Musical Excellence or Early Influence this year.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:53am


I think there will be 7 this year. Too stacked of a ballot to just consider 6. I also feel people are underestimating Rage's chance and that's not me being a Rage fanboy.

Right now at the moment of feeling:

Willie Nelson (Duh)
JD/NO (Come on Richie all the past new wave inductees have led to this one in particular)
Kate Bush (Strong hype, strong year)
The White Stripes (Pretty slam dunk as FYE now)
Rage Against The Machine (Tour coming up and so far the fan vote plus voting committee seem to suggest they still staying power)
Soundgarden (At least one previous Top 5 vote getter gets in and Soundgarden is the strongest in this case)
Cyndi Lauper (Eventually winner of fan vote and the token woman inductees with Kate Bush. There is no way the Hall will just have two.)

Wildcard: Warren Zevon

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 05:55am


K-Dawg,
As far as who is the most shocking nominee, I have to personally say it's NOT Warren Zevon. He is worthy, he definitely should have gone in years ago when he was still alive, the Hall did finally get back to correcting one oversight. That's Not the most shocking. The most shocking nominee to me is the White Stripes cause of the 25 year rule. But since the schedule for a ceremony has been changed they are eligible. Eligibility is at the end of a year. White Stripes are eligible late this year 2023. BUT I am not predicting them. Its too soon for induction. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 06:00am


Stripes are most shocking

I think they induct 6

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 06:54am


Mat R,

I think that they will induct 7 again this year, They would be inducting half of the ballot this year, but I just think it's too stacked of a ballot this year to induct only 6 this year, so I think that they will induct 7 again this year, as well as they should be.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 07:17am


Richie

Possible for sure especially if say no people of colour are in the top 6 (which is a worry of mine) but I'm thinking if the top 6 look good then they'll do 6 to avoid a 24 hour long ceremony like last year

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 08:57am


Mat R,

Please predict 7 inductees again this year instead of 6, It would really mean the world to me if you predicted 7 inductees this year instead of 6, So please predict 7 inductees again this year instead of 6 just in case.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 09:01am


Richie

I don't have any to be honest. This is a very unpredictable class everyone is pretty capable of being inducted

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 09:29am


What do you think a performance slot looks like for each artist, if they were to be inducted?

Cyndi Lauper - Definitely shows up and performs. Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, Time After Time, True Colors is an easy three song set.

George Michael - Obviously would get some huge names for a tribute performance. A few likely picks would be someone like Sam Smith, Justin Timberlake, Harry Styles even. You could work in Alicia Keys and/or Elton John. Definitely room for some out of the box picks here, but I haven't thought about it that deeply. Plenty of possibilities. Careless Whisper, Faith, Freedom! 90 is also an easy three song set, though I could see Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go sneaking in because let's face it, this will be an unofficial Wham! induction as well.

Sheryl Crow - 100% shows up and performs. All I Wanna Do and If It Makes You Happy will for sure be on the set. Soak Up the Sun could be #3, but I could also see Sheryl throwing a little more of a deep cut in there.

Willie Nelson - He is still actively touring and performing at 90, so I think it's reasonable to expect he performs assuming he is healthy enough this fall. A likely set of his would be something like Whiskey River, Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys, On the Road Again.

Warren Zevon - A lot of different people that could be involved in a tribute. He collaborated pretty closely with Fleetwood Mac, Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne, The Eagles and R.E.M. at various points, among others, so there are many who could show up. Werewolves of London and Lawyers, Guns and Money seem like safe bets for a tribute.

Missy Elliott - She doesn't perform live that often these days, but she seemed very enthusiastic about her nomination, so I think she's down for a performance. The Rain, Work It, Get Ur Freak On is an easy three song set.

Joy Division/New Order - Some questions about what a reunion would look like given Peter Hook being at odds with the rest of the group, but he expressed some optimism about setting things aside for the ceremony. I think an appearance is up in the air, but we'll see. I think the set is Love Will Tear Us Apart, Blue Monday, Age of Consent.

The White Stripes - Jack White would be a lock to perform. Meg..... I mean her reclusiveness makes Kate Bush look like a highly visible public figure. She hasn't made any kind of public appearance, let alone played live, in over a decade. I'm inclined towards no. Seven Nation Army has to be on there, and there are plenty of well known songs to fill out the set (Fell in Love with a Girl, Icky Thump, Blue Orchid, etc.) but I also see Jack choosing some deeper cuts for the set. Side note Jack White getting in before Tom Morello would be another classic example of artists going in way out of order lol

A Tribe Called Quest - I think they certainly make an appearance, with Busta Rhymes filling in for Phife Dawg. Award Tour, Can I Kick It?, Electric Relaxation probably make it in. If it's some kind of medley, it would be amazing to see Scenario and maybe something from their comeback album get in there.

Iron Maiden - Do they show up and in what capacity? I'm not familiar enough with the inner workings of this band to know, but Number of the Beast/The Trooper/Run to the Hills would make a hell of a set.

Soundgarden - I think it would be something similar to the Nirvana induction, with the band playing with multiple vocalists filling in for Cornell. Grohl and maybe Josh Homme are probably involved here in some way, though I would love to see them think outside the box the way they did with Nirvana. Black Hole Sun, Spoonman, Rusty Cage?

Kate Bush - Obviously we shouldn't expect her to make the trip, but you never know, she has seemed genuinely touched by the acclaim over the last year and maybe this honor would be the thing to get her back on stage. If not, there are so many art-pop singers over the last few decades that would be thrilled to pay tribute. Running Up That Hill, This Woman's Work, Cloudbusting. Wuthering Heights if either her or her tribute performances voice can do it justice.

The Spinners - They do still tour, but with only one member of the classic lineup remaining, so maybe they do perform. If not, they could have a lot of fun with tribute artists. I'm imagining like an Anderson Paak-led tribute with Bruno Mars and Lizzo on vocals. There's a lot of potential here. Could It Be I'm Falling In Love?, I'll Be Around, Rubber Band Man

Rage Against the Machine - Yeah they'd perform. Bulls on Parade, Testify, Killing in the Name? Bombtrack could be a good option too.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 09:59am


K-Dawg,

I was very big on Warren Zevon in my predictions, so he wasn't super unexpected for me, super glad he made the ballot

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 10:19am


Chasingwildcat,

If rage and Soundgarden are inducted, or both get in, I think Alice In Chains has to be next. Popular band, still active with their new singer Will DuVall, and much more critically acclaimed than Weezer, Oasis, or Blink 182. The only question would be if the post Layne albums help or hurt them, which I'm not sure of. But they're a very well connected band as well, friends in Nirvana, Pearl Jam, heart, and potentially rage and Soundgarden if they're inducted.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 10:29am


For comparison's sake:

Platinum singles:

JD/NO - 2 - Love Will Tear Us Apart, Blue Monday
INXS - 1 - Never Tear Us Apart (5x in Australia)
B-52's - 1 - Love Shack

US Top 10 singles:

JD/NO - 0
INXS - 7 (including 1 #1 single - Need You Tonight)
B-52's - 2

Us Dance chart top 10 singles:

JD/NO - 14
INXS - 0
B-52's - 0

Highest ranking songs on Sirius/XM's Top 1000 Alternative Rock Songs:

JD/NO - # 2 - Love Will Tear Us Apart (Behind only Smells Like Teen Spirit), # 42 - Blue Monday
INXS - # 256 - Need You Tonight
B-52's - # 160 - Love Shack

Looks to me like Joy Division/New Order has as much an argument for induction as INXS or the B-52's.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 10:50am


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NBC TODAY SHOW - The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2023 nominees are...
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Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 11:15am


What do you guys think of potential inductors for these noms?

Tribe: them + Missy break the Dr Dre induction speech trend for sure. With tribe, I'd see them going for someone big, but who's music actually connects with the group. So like Kendrick Lamar or Tyler the Creator

Missy Elliot: I'm admittedly unfamiliar with Missy Elliot outside of get ur freak on. But I got a feeling they'd ask Megan Thee Stallion to do the speech.

Kate: I'd hope they go with someone influenced by her music, within that lineage like Björk, Tori Amos, collaborators like David Gilmour Peter Gabriel Elton John, but they'll ask like some big modern pop artist that i don't like bc they need to sell tickets.

Maiden: like last year they had Alice Cooper inducting priest, it'll be a different hard rock or metal legend. Maybe members of Metallica,

Soundgarden: definitely someone from Seattle. I think what I'd see happening is Nancy Wilson or Eddie Vedder.

Rage: hmm. Wouldn't it be funny if Fred Durst did it lmao. In all seriousness, i think Chuck D is a pretty good choice. Kerry King was in the priest video so it could be him for rage, or also maiden as well

Zevon: the obvious answer is Jackson Browne, but they like To milk the Bruce connection for all he's worth. And Bruce is Not a band choice either

JD/NO: Trent Reznor. His speech for the cure was perfect, and he's become kind of a friend of the rock hall.

Spinners: they're a very Questlove nomination. Nobody else could do that induction

White Stripes: iggy pop would be cool. Detroit legends, passing the torch, he's been a friend of the rock hall in the past as well

George Micheal: Elton John, don't let the sun go down on me would make an awesome tribute performance as well

Cyndi: billy Joel would be a very big one, he's always been a fan and supporter but if not him, then some current pop star idk.


Sheryl Crow: I see Taylor Swift as a big one. Idk if they've ever worked together.

Finally Willie Nelson: Garth Brooks maybe? Idk I'm very lost when it comes to non rock country music.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 11:23am


MSNBC - Joy Division, Missy Elliott, Willie Nelson are 2023 Rock Hall nominees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5vcSxs84sg

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 11:45am


Will m

No Elton. It has to be Carly Rae Jepsen upstaging Sam smith

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 12:55pm


Rg

Jack has said he isn't interested and probably won't show up. He also said meg won't

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 13:08pm


Mat r

I'm picturing it rn,

Induction Speech: Elton speaking about how lovely George was, donating to charity making awesome music queer icon (literally learned this all last night btw) mentions the homophobia thing made him a joke

Video package: lil nas x, Sam smith appear, Andrew ridgely talks a lot about wham,

Sam smith starts on Freedom
Carly Rae Jepsen comes out for wake me up w Andy

Elton with piano, Carly singing George's parts on dont let the sun go down, absolutely breaks the internet like Taylor swift and Carly Simon, Olivia rodrigo singing you're so vain did.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 13:17pm


Don't know why I said Carly instead of Carole King w Taylor swift

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 13:19pm


For the fan vote I went Joy Division/New Order. Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, George Michael and Spinners

I think the inductees will be Kate Bush, Cyndi Lauper, White Stripes, Willi Nelson, and Tribe Called Quest if its 5. If its 6, it will be George Michael

Posted by jayk on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 13:57pm


are we gonna do the inductee draft?

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 14:39pm


I see Kate Bush being this year's LL Cool J/Judas Priest (in other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did the past two years, rather than as a Performer). I think that this is a tough ballot for Kate once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 14:39pm


Can anyone explain why people think Sheryl Crow is getting in on her first try? She feels very bland , not really innovative or a mover. It looks like it could be one of those Dave Matthews Band nod like 4 years ago. Lauper and Bush have a much better chance than her

Posted by jayk on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 14:45pm


ritchie,

I don't think Kate Bush needs the musical excellence in order to get in especially since she had a comeback resurgance last year and that would feel very fresh in voters mind. Voters love a comeback story. See also how the oscars have gotten Brendan Fraser and Ke Huy Quan (the kid from Goonies and Indiana Jones) so much love the past year

Posted by jayk on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 14:55pm


jayk,

im not a sheryl crow fan, i know very little about her and her music. but. she is so well known. well connected. pretty much everyone is friends with her. voters often are biased for who theyre friends with. those connections i believe will push her over into the hall

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 14:56pm


jayk,

but I think that Kate needs Musical Excellence this year because of the competition this year, I think that there are other acts with more name recognition and commercial success in America that have a much better chance of getting in this year as Performers like Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon based on the current voting body, so I see Kate getting Musical Excellence this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:00pm


Will M,

I don't think the industry connection maybe a tad overated because it didn't help Tom Morello or Beck in those cases. I think voters may also feel that other older acts should get in first and she still feels very early to receive one.

Posted by jayk on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:01pm


are we gonna get a ballot tracker for this year? or are we waiting until physical ballots are actually sent and mailed out?

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:32pm


will m,

an inductee draft is very limited, and would only go a round or 2 if that. I'd like to have a draft of all the acts not chosen, or including these and extending out past it.

Sheryl Crow is not going in this year. Cyndi Lauper has an excellent chance, and Kate Bush is a shoo-in, so that's 2 female acts right there almost guaranteed.

I haven't talked about George Michael yet, I'll expound on him a bit later.

The one trend I'm seeing is the lack of a big name classic rock band this year; Iron Maiden is obviously one, but the metal situation sets them on a separate pedestal from a Bad Company, Foreigner, Boston, Kansas, Blue Oyster Cult, etc. I will mention Warren Zevon on this as well, because he's probably going to have the rock populist vote, but again they shaft Paul Rodgers. It's not a bad list, as almost every act is deserving of induction, but the fact it's only 14 nominees is an outright joke.

Random musings. There will be plenty more to come.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:33pm


K-Dawg,

I think that they'll put Kate Bush in via Musical Excellence this year, I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:36pm


Kate Bush- can't sing
The White Stripes- one of my favorite bands
Missy Elliot- they have enough rap acts as it is
Iron Maiden- they need power metal
Willie Nelson- country legend
Warren Zevon- finish up heartland rock
George Michael- music is unimpressive but not bad
Sheryl Crow- good singer songwriter and major part of the album rock revival
Cyndi Lauper- pop and easy listening musician from the 80s, unimpressive
Soundgarden- shame that it's taken this long, especially now that Cornell is gone
The Spinners- their music is nice
A Tribe Called Quest- again, they have enough rap as it is
Rage Against the Machine- tolerable as they are a hybrid of rap and metal
Joy Division/New Order- would be exciting to see more post punk

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:39pm


I am thrilled Cyndi Lauper finally got nominated. I loved her music when I was a kid and still do. I hope she gets inducted this year. Long overdue.

Posted by Chris on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:43pm


I don't know why people are doubting Sheryl. She's literally the most commercially successful artist on the ballot (Tuesday night music club moved 7 million units and pretty everything for the 15 years after went multi platinum or platinum) Has been consistently having rock, country, and pop hit for almost 30 years. First 3 albums are very well liked critical (she's on the rolling stone 500). She's pretty much as strong a contender as anyone.

Garrus

Wtf you saying about Kate Bush?

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:51pm


I sampled Kate's work and do not like her voice

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:53pm


Garrus, you're usually a source of either pointless rambling or long lists, but did you just literally type that Kate Bush can't sing??????????????????????????

You probably should think about how many people have been run off for stupid comments on the Internet in its history...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:53pm


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Rage Against The Machine will be canceled out by Soundgarden, The White Stripes feel more like Radiohead than Nirvana/Green Day/Pearl Jam/Foo Fighters, I just don't see Missy Elliott as a FYE inductee, so she's out, I also just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's and INXS have had more commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that there'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:55pm


Saying you don't like her voice is fine. I can't stand Ronnie James Dio's voice or Sheena Easton's for example, but they can sing. So can Kate Bush

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:56pm


Mat r,

absoluely agreed. just like eminem (never thought id make this comparison), shes a commerical and also critical force that cant be denied,

Garrus,

thats just wromg, like objectively incorrect about kate lmao. you can dislike her music if you want, but she can sing her heart out, one of my all time favorite vocalists

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:58pm


Disappointed Bad Company was not nominated. It should have been their year for nomination. I don't see Paul Rodgers inducted twice so I hope he gets in with Bad Company. Agree with Richie about Kate Bush. I don't see her being inducted on this strong of a ballot. Most likely Musical Excellence. I also don't see Joy Division/New order as an automatic. It took Depeche Mode a couple kicks at the can to earn induction. Even a slam dunk like Beck and Radiohead did not earn induction 1st time around. I would have loved to see Bryan Adams or INXS nominated. Mariah Carey not earning a nomination was a little shocking. I thought it would be her year. Iron Maiden intrigues me as they could have built up a strong vote total from the British block of HOF voters. They usually are mentioned as 1 of most music fans FAV heavy metal group for those who aren't the biggest metal fans. Enjoyed Roy's displaying of possible Induction combinations. It should be an outstanding class whatever combination. I would have liked to see Salt N Pepa instead of Missy Elliott. They were 1 of the pioneers of women rappers and had platinum albums. I'm surprised they were not nominated. RRHOF has been fortunate with this backlog. They should have strong classes for the next 10-15 years. Willie Nelson definitely benefited from Dolly Parton's recent induction. Her induction was a grand success and Country Western artist legends are now given more consideration. Plus, Willie's turning 90 end of April. Should be a great birthday and celebration for Willie.
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:03pm


How many of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden and Iron Maiden) do you think will get in this year?. I think that they'll induct 4 of the 5 this year and I'd bet on Cyndi, George, Willie and Soundgarden getting in this year and Iron Maiden being the one that misses out on induction again this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:17pm


Okay this is the year Angela bofill, to be a winner for 2023. Nominated for Angela bofill, was submitted last year. She had a lot of fans, had submitted her to win in 2023. So did you submit her nomination . It will be a disappointment , if Angela bofill , donnot win the 2023 hall.

Posted by Kim Smith on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:33pm


sheryl over alanis? lol

Posted by akeem on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:35pm


What a joke. Where's Dan Fogelberg? Have you not added him in as eligible since he passed and you forgot about him? You remember every artist but him. Fiox this or there will be a lawsuit. I am voting for George Michael, The Spinners (long overdue), Warren Zevon. You see I love and follow the music and have for years (I'm 64 years old) and I still get Billboard magazine. For you to leave out an artist who died of cancer and when he was alive contributed many lasting songs and albums. Kate Bush is not deserving of a couple of unique odd albums. Fix this now!

Also adding rap is a travesty as there should be a Rap Hall of Fame.

Posted by Thomas Markel on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:44pm


Come on legends, give it to my favorite singer of all times ., Angela bofill. Legends hall of fame winner should be Angela bofill. Come on Angela bofill let's get this 2023 win. U have a lot of fan base, still supporting you. Since last year as well.

Posted by Gracie Smith on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:47pm


I think a lot of people say Sheryl Crow is going in because she plays the game with the Rock Hall and she has a lot of connections in the music industry. She's basically this year's Lionel Richie.

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:50pm


Come on legends, give it to my favorite singer of all times ., Angela bofill. Legends hall of fame winner should be Angela bofill. Come on Angela bofill let's get this 2023 win. U have a lot of fan base, still supporting you. Since last year as well.

Posted by Gracie Smith on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:50pm


I think this year's Lionel Richie is George Michael. A solo artist who achieved some major success, but also had a career as part of a group. To be fair, WHAM doesn't have the credentials for the RRHOF that the Commodores do.

And, on a side note, we'll have time to cover this, but the Spinners are probably going in ME, as the RRHOF finally addresses its glaring abandonment of 70s R and B/funk/soul...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:52pm


Who do you think will be this year's LL Cool J/Judas Priest?. I'd bet on Kate Bush getting in via Musical Excellence this year, because this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she will get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:04pm


Richie,

The Spinners or Chaka Khan, or both. Quit trying to validate your silly statement about Kate Bush lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:19pm


My prediction of the 2023 hall , should include Angela bofill. Missy Elliot. George Micheal. Tribe called quest. And spinners. Okay please nominate Angela bofill into the 2023 hall as well too. Hopefully you will do so. Come on Angela bofill, win in 2023.

Posted by Micheal bolds on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:20pm


K-Dawg,

I disagree, I just don't think that Kate has the name recognition and commercial success in America to get in as a Performer over the likes of Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden, Rage Against The Machine, Warren Zevon, Sheryl Crow, The White Stripes and Missy Elliott, despite her resurgence that she has had this past year, so I definitely see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:23pm


What's up legends, did my girl Angela bofill win , this for 2023. Say yes Angela bofill is a winner, at all costs. Hopefully you will nominate, Angela bofill with the others, see prediction for 2023 is Angela bofill, tribe called quest, Missy Elliot, George Micheal and Cyndi lauper. Oh yes my girl Angela bofill will take the 2023 hall. Let's win Angie.

Posted by Andre grassity on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:41pm


My 5 nominees for the 2023 legends hall of fame. Is Angela Bofill. Cyndi lauper, tribe called quest. George Micheal, and Missy Elliot. However best of good luck to Angela Bofill.

Posted by Kim Smith on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:48pm


K-dawg

I don't think Richie's statement is unjustified. It is a tough ballot and Kate is kind of depending on those who have ignored by her in the past being impressed by a fluke (but massive) soundtrack hit.

She's definitely got a lot of momentum but she's also got George and Cyndi appealing to poptimist voters and tribe, Missy, and white stripes nabbing critic votes. She can get in on the ballot it but it's hardly a lock.

What is a lock is her going in cause she's definitely the front runner for the jury prize that is music excellence.

If not her (cause she has the votes) probably spinners

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:55pm


It might be a hot take but I'm pretty confident in the spinners. They weren't unexpected but they seem oddly out of place on this ballot, really singlular position. This could get them in on the ballot, or they could be left in the dust. If they fall short on the fan vote, then AME for them, but they're definitely on there for a reason

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:58pm


Sheryl Crow is an interesting case because she's had a ton of success and is well-known in the industry, but was never really an innovator or game changer, just someone who could craft quality songs. She was a backup singer for superstars like Michael Jackson and Don Henley for a decade before her solo career started, so she is super-connected. And the Hall obviously wants to reward her for showing up and being part of the team. It seems 50/50 that she gets in, but it seems that way for all the nominees this year. Guess that's what happens when everyone on the ballot is deserving.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:59pm


*made a mistake in my comment. Did not mean to refer to fan vote. Meant the just standard regular vote

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:00pm


Btw I think it's important to note here

Kate Bush for the first time, since 2018, in her rock hall journey is not the most acclaimed artist on the ballot and she might not even be in the top 5. Joy division and new order and white stripes are both more acclaimed than her on acclaimed and missy has in recent years arguably surpassed her too (get your freak on top 10 all time song according to rolling stone)....tribe maybe too

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:03pm


Mat r

I think you hit the nail on the head with your take on Kate Bush. She has as good a chance as she ever will to make it in this year. She's the only nominated artist who's had a top ten hit in the last 15 years and that's got to count for something. Like everyone else, I expect her to get in via ME if she's not voted in, because if she's not voted in this year she never will be.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:17pm


If Cyndi Lauper and George Michael both get in this year, Who do you think will be the next 80's MTV icons in line for nomination and induction next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:33pm


ritchie,

i guess billy idol, but he shouldnt really be pigeonholed by that

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:48pm


Mat R and Will M,

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of any of the acts nominated this year for 2023 getting in this year next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:59pm


Mat R and Will M,

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of any of the acts nominated this year for 2023 getting in this year next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:59pm


Mat R and Will M,

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of any of the acts nominated this year for 2023 getting in this year next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:59pm


Richie

Male: Billy idol, Phil Collins, or Bryan Adams probably. Billy squire, Robert Palmer, and Ozzy Osbourne seem possible.

Female: Cher or Sade.

Group: Motley Crue, Huey Lewis and the news, inxs

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:00pm


If Warren Zevon gets in this year, Do you think that Harry Nilsson would be next in line and probably the last 70's Singer-Songwriter to get nominated and inducted next year for 2024, It will be 30 years after his death next year (He died in 1994), so do you think that if Zevon gets in this year, that Nilsson would be the last 70's Singer-Songwriter that gets nominated and inducted next year in 2024?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:07pm


ritchie,

now we are getting into more interesting discussions, thank you. i gotta be honest, despite being a massive beatle maniac i havent gotten into nillson yet, same with bad finger. love the hits just havent gotten into them. theyre beatles connections do give them more of a chance compared to contemporaries like dan fogelberg or raspberries. obviously, john lennon and keith moon are gone, but ringo and alice cooper could very much advocate for nillson if they wanted, ringo and paul could also pull one out for badfinger. if nillson got in, what would they do for 3 dog night? actually, nillson would be a perfect AME because of his songwriting credits, one, jump into the fire, without you, etc.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:29pm


Do you guys think that The Spinners could surprise this year because they're the only R&B act nominated this year unlike the previous three times that they have been nominated (in 2012, they had to go up against Rufus With Chaka Khan, Donna Summer and War, in 2015, they had to go up against Chic, The Marvelettes, War again and Bill Withers (who was the only one of that group that got in that year) and in 2016 (the first year that Classic Rock dominated the nominee and inductee list), they had to go up against Chic again, The J.B.'s, Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan (solo), but this year is different, They have the R&B slot all to themselves, so do you think that they could surprise and get in this year and break the logjam of 70's R&B/Soul acts and open the floodgates for more acts from that era to get in if The Spinners get in this year?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:41pm


Richie

Yes actually. They've been gone for a while and I think a lot of older voters might favour them.

I like they're unlikely but a dark horse

Very good ballot

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:43pm


that was exactly my thought ritchie. unlike everyone else who has someone similar, theres no one like the spinners. theyd have voter support from pretty much every rnb artist, and maybe philly and detroit acts too like todd rundgren. theyll sneak in there, which im very excited for. i just hope they dont end up like a dominoes situation in 97, being forced out for a big name

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:48pm


Nominating Committee member Amy Linden revealed the standings for the nominating committee's vote for the nominees this year on her podcast ImmaLetYouFinish yesterday and they are:

1. Missy Elliott
2. Kate Bush
3. Willie Nelson
4. Rage Against The Machine
5. The White Stripes
6. Iron Maiden
7. Soundgarden
8. Cyndi Lauper
9. Joy Division/New Order
10. Sheryl Crow
11. The Spinners
12 (tie): A Tribe Called Quest, Warren Zevon, George Michael

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:53pm


That list is very interesting, personally I'd hate to read that I was ranked 12th if was tribe or the Zevon or Micheal estates. Notice how the spinners aren't last… I got a feeling they're gonna get in and suprise a lot of people. I'd seriously bet money on that. Missy being 1, not that suprising, Kate being 2, is very very good and, just like I expected, they can't pass her up. This ranking means absolutely nothing for induction potential, but it's cool to hear more transparency. What I'd really love is to know what other artists were discussed

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:58pm


Seems reasonable on the committee although I think having George Michael way at the bottom seems too low considering hes the biggest record seller and chart topper among all the nominees. I think there are people here underestimating Kate Bush's resurgance from Stranger Things since she and Willie Nelson are most likely the sure thing of getting induction. We also undersestimate black artists here in the website so Missy Elliot getting in wont be a shocker

Posted by jayk on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 20:05pm


Here's the current standings in the online fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. The Spinners
9. Joy Division/New Order
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Warren Zevon
6. Rage Against The Machine
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. Willie Nelson
2. George Michael
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 20:05pm


Jayk

Other than Richie I think everyone has said both Kate, Richie, and missy have very good chances at induction

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 21:04pm


Mat,
Did you mean someone else when you said Richie had good chances?

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 21:29pm


https://twitter.com/blacklodgedance/status/1521830325524987906

According to Casper from last year, Here's what he said about last year's class:

This inductee crop tells us that the current voting body is very poptimist and populist, favoring all these acts (but not Warwick) over the more cutting edge, left of center acts that made up rest of ballot

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 21:31pm


I think one of the nominees is going to get the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 22:51pm


Follower,

And I think that it will be Kate Bush that gets the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 22:55pm


The inductees should be-

Soundgarden
The Spinners
George Michael
Sheryl Crow
Iron Maiden
Rage against the Machine
Missy Elliot

No to Willie Nelson. While Country music is one of Rock music's building blocks, I believe that the only Country inductees should be earlier artists and influences like Johnny Cash or Patsy Cline. Country music has its own prominent Hall of Fame to induct its performers. I wouldn't have inducted Dolly Parton either.

Warren Zevon made some good music, but mostly lacked commercial success . Kate Bush also had limited success in America. I wouldn't support either being inducted.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 23:37pm


Willie Nelson is going in. He deserves it, but the list of country artists I support going in is short and sweet. Maybe Kenny Rogers, and patsy cline is a glaring omission, but should be early influence. The next ones would possibly be Shania Twain, Leanne Rimes, and obviously Taylor Swift.

The Spinners stand a freak chance of being ME'd this year. I'd accept that to get them off the logjam, and maybe the Meters, Ohio players and chaka khan finally get their due

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 00:54am


Great chance. Not freak chance

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 00:55am


K-Dawg,

I just don't see The Spinners getting Musical Excellence this year, I see it being Kate Bush, as well as it should be.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 01:19am


Richie,

There can be more than one ME. And I know, for the 80th time, you're picking Kate Bush. I maintain she'll be probably one of the main nominees. No need to keep telling me lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 01:34am


Only 1/3 of the artists are recycled. This has pros and cons.

PROS
It gives overlooked artists a chance
It allows for more variety
It introduces new artists, especially lesser or forgotten ones

CONS
It prolongs the wait for snubbed artists, especially those rejected many times

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 02:48am


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliot
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Willie Nelson.
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush-I think she will get in with this method. She has a resurgence BUT this is a rough ballot for her
Iron Maiden- There is a strong trend for Heavy Metal in this method

Early Influence: Tony Bennett
the Diamonds
the Spinners

Respond respond. What are your opinions EVERYONE?

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 04:16am


K-Dawg,

I regret that I left out Cyndi Lauper. I love her music In the 80s. BUT I made this kind of mistake in 2020 with PAT Benatar. I love her BUT she failed due to Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston and T. rex INDUCTED. And soo I leave CYNDI out due to priorities

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 06:55am


Ben,

I think that you should take out Joy Division/New Order and add Cyndi Lauper on to your predictions for the 2023 inductees, As much as I love JD/NO, I just don't see them getting in right away, I think that they're gonna be more like The Smiths and Devo than The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, so for that reason, I think that you should swap out JD/NO for Cyndi, I think that she's getting in right away this year, as well as she should be.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 06:59am


Ritchie,

i have no idea how youre comments dont get blocked by the spam filter i feel like you say the same things every time, you have to be copy pasting

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 07:09am


Richie, please stop with your Joy Division-New Order nonsense already. Stop saying that they're a second rate act after I provided you explanations why they are very important.

And also, don't pressure people to not predict them just because they don't think the same way as you do. Everyone is entitled to predict who they think is right.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 07:25am


As of right now, this is who I'm predicting at the moment:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Joy Division-New Order
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon

If 7: The White Stripes

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 07:27am


I feel like a Zevon tribute would be the highlight of the night. Start out with Letterman giving the most heartfelt, incredible speech. It has to be letterman, he mentioned Zevon while inducting Pearl Jam and ofc Paul Schaffer would use that connection. Then video package tribute, has the enjoy every sandwich clip. An idea I have would be Mills Berry and Buck are the backing band for all the performances because of the REM Zevon connection, Hindu love gods and the sentimental hygiene albums. Billy Joel comes out for Werewolves of London, Jackson brown takes the mic for lawyers guns n money, Micheal Stipe sings on Keep me in your heart, creating an REM reunion in the process. This would be the ideal but it might Not happen like that but I'd love for this scenario

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 07:53am


I think that people are underestimating Sheryl Crow and Cyndi Lauper's chances for induction and overestimating Kate Bush (as a Performer) and Joy Division/New Order's chances for induction this year, I think the goal for the Rock Hall is to have big names for the HBO ceremony that can sell tickets and be big draws at the ceremony and the Rock Hall is more focused on commercialism these days, so I think that Willie Nelson and George Michael are locks and Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott and Cyndi Lauper are very likely, and Warren Zevon will get in too and maybe either Soundgarden or The White Stripes (most likely Soundgarden, I can see The White Stripes waiting a year just like Radiohead did).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 08:00am


My updated predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here).

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did).

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that they'll be more like The Smiths and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 08:41am


Curious what do you guys think the nomination of Zevon says about the classic rock slot. Zevon isn't exactly a populist artist and he got the nomination over like guess who, foreigner, Boston, blue oyster cult, and more interestingly over harry Nilsson.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 10:50am


I think we broke Richie. He's become unresponsive except for certain keywords. And no one comments on his copy and pasted diatribe so he fishes again and again.

Let's continue with the shock of the ballot. Anyone else see a name that caught them by surprise? Not necessarily one you don't or didn't see as a candidate, just that you didn't expect them to be on here now, if ever?

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 10:50am


Mat R,

Zevon is a deserving entrant. I hope the classic rock slot isn't vacated, because there's still a chunk of artists worthy of induction, notably Bad Company, Foreigner, and arguably Boston, BOC and Kansas, but they also put in the Spinners on the list and maybe are shunting them in as 70s music in general.

As much as George Michael is arguably deserving of a spot, along with Cyndi Lauper, it seems they are trying to grab every artist that made a name from an already saturated 80s representation. I'll probably save this point for a future point of reference, but as we've said, the 70s, despite a large catalog of artists already in, were cherry picked largely. The 80s have been gone over extensively. With the exception of new wave and the teeny bop phase (which still may get some representation, who knows), anyone who had any influence in the 80s is 90 percent in already.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 10:55am


How many of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson and Soundgarden) do you think will get in this year?. I'd bet on 4 of the 5 getting in this year with Cyndi, George, Willie and Soundgarden getting in this year and Iron Maiden being the one that misses out on induction once again this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 11:18am


Mat r;

Zevon is a VERY critics pick. And I'm all for that. (Even tho a lot of the critical old guard like Wenner can't stand him) I think he's been very embraced by newer critics and the pitchfork crowd. On top of his adoration by the likes of bob Dylan Jackson Browne Bruce Springsteen the eagles Fleetwood Mac REM and ofc Billy Joel who seems to have been the biggest push. I really love Warren Zevon. What can't be understated is the letterman connection, Paul Schaffer I can imagine was very supportive. All these connections clearly went a long way. Blue Oyster Cult has the Patti Smith, and lenny Kaye connection, and Nillson has the very important Beatles connections in addition to Alice Cooper. The Beatles connection is practically equal to everyone Zevon was in with. Just like billy Preston tho, I see Harry Nillson going straight through musical excellence, maybe after a push from Ringo and Paul

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 11:30am


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here).

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did).

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated instead of JD/NO because The B-52's and INXS have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America than JD/NO, I think that they'll be more like The Smiths and Devo and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 12:20pm


K-Dawg,

Honestly, I didn't find any artist on this ballot very shocking, aside from The White Stripes for obvious reasons.

I got 8 artists right on my prediction (George, Sheryl, Willie, Missy, JD/NO, Soundgarden, Kate, RATM).

Maiden, Tribe, and Cyndi I all figured would be in the next couple years but could easily have subbed in on my list - for the Metal lane I overthought it and thought they might go for Motorhead instead, Tribe I left off because I assumed Outkast would be in, and I thought they would go for Mariah or Cher before Cyndi.

Zevon and Spinners I figured they might have passed by, but both are artists that I had put on my prediction list several times in the past few years.

The White Stripes are the only nom that threw me for a loop, but even then I was eyeing them for an FYE next year.

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 14:17pm


RG,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did).

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO, because The B-52's and INXS have had more commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO, I think that they'll be more like The Smiths and Devo and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 14:33pm


The Hall of Fame needs to put artists who clearly did not predominantly perform a type of rock into a separate category. Maybe call it Contributors or Influencers.

EXAMPLES
B.B. King (exclusively blues)
LL Cool J (exclusively rap)
Marvin Gaye (exclusively soul)

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 14:44pm


Garrus,

no.

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 14:56pm


RG,

When I say shock, I mean what artist did you not expect? It was more of a surprise reaction, as some acts seem forgotten at times. I agree, every single candidate on this list has cause for induction..

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 15:43pm


K-Dawg,

ok yeah, my answer is Zevon and Spinners then

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 16:29pm


Some geographical stats:

Cyndi Lauper and A Tribe Called Quest would be the 49th & 50th NYC-area inductees.

George Michael, Kate Bush, and Iron Maiden would be the 35th-37th Londoners to be inducted.

Warren Zevon and Rage Against the Machine would be the 30th and 31st Los Angeles inductees.

The White Stripes and The Spinners would be the 16th Detroit-based inductees.

Soundgarden would be the sixth Seattle-area artist inducted, after Jimi Hendrix, The Ventures, Nirvana, Heart, Pearl Jam, and the Foo Fighters.

Sheryl Crow would be the sixth artist from Missouri inducted, after Chuck Berry, Ike & Tina Turner, Tina (solo), and Miles Davis, all from St Louis, and Big Joe Turner from Kansas City.

Missy Elliott would be the second inductee originating from Hampton Roads, VA, after Gene Vincent.

Joy Division/New Order would be the second act from Manchester, after The Hollies.

Willie Nelson started his career moving from city to city, so it is hard to tie him to a specific city. I've counted him with his hometown of Abbott, TX. He would be the tenth Texan artist inducted after Woody Guthrie, Buddy Holly/The Crickets, Roy Orbison, Stevie Ray Vaughan/Double Trouble, Bob Wills/Texas Playboys, The Soul Stirrers, ZZ Top, and Janis Joplin.

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 17:24pm


Now I think those people will be inducted:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
JD/NO (Most inductees relates to punk/post-punk/synth-pop may vote for them)

Posted by chasingWildcat on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 18:44pm


There are only two artists I am truly against, A Tribe Called Quest and Missy Elliott, making this ballot even better.

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 19:02pm


WANT
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Joy Division/New Order

NONPARTISAN
Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against the Machine

AGAINST
Missy Elliott
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 19:29pm


Garrus just let it go with your anti-Rap bias. Hip Hop is here to stay at the Rock Hall and they will continue to nominate/induct Hip Hop acts in the future whether you like it or not.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 19:42pm


WANT
Iron Maiden
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Kate Bush
George Michael
Missy Elliott
Willie Nelson

NONPARTISAN
The White Stripes
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against the Machine
The Spinners
Warren Zevon
A Tribe Called Quest

AGAINST
Sheryl Crow

Posted by MoreThanAFeeling1976 on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 19:43pm


Any artist or official artist account that tries to rig the vote like related should be disqualified

https://twitter.com/GeorgeMOfficial/status/1621223296942342145

Posted by I on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 19:53pm


Question

Early influence I know most think mc5 and NY dolls are likely

But do we think the movie Elvis has an impact and gets either big mama Thornton or Hank Snow in this year?

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 21:06pm


Question

Early influence I know most think mc5 and NY dolls are likely

But do we think the movie Elvis has an impact and gets either big mama Thornton or Hank Snow in this year?

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 21:10pm


So I do this every year. Here is my tier list ranking of the nominees for this year. Hope you agree to disagree. Also to Michael W thank you for keeping my idea alive about favorite inductees a month ago. Been busy and taking my mind off lately. Enjoy!

S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

S: The White Stripes, JD/NO

A: Willie Nelson, Soundgarden, Missy Elliott

B: Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, Iron Maiden, A Tribe Called Quest, George Michael

C: The Spinners, Warren Zevon, Cyndi Lauper, Sheryl Crow

That is all.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 21:17pm


Mat r,

Yes! I think I've said exactly thatbefore on here. That doja cat song was huge this year. It'd be some very good timing, hopefully brings her to the halls attention. The most egregious error the hall has made.

Btw did you guys see the blog post hallwatchers put out recently? FRL shared it to their Twitter. They really hit the nail on the head, lots of points I super agreed on. And ofc hopefully it gets their attention cause it's all problems that really need to be solved.

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 21:49pm


Hall of Famer vote watch

Chris Stein is voting for Rage

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 22:53pm


Mat r,

was wondering who he'd support without devo on the ballot. i feel like the rest of his votes would go to kate, tribe, jdno, and cyndi. theres no real way of knowing, just my guess based on what i know of him. theres no obvious friends of his, like devo, on the ballot

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 23:09pm


Will M

I have a feeling he'll drop or reveal more of his votes (if not all) on his Instagram stories but yea Cyndi makes sense (they've toured together and grew up in the same scene).

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 23:34pm


K-Dawg,

I made a post meant for you. Richie chimed instead. It's less repetitive to chat with you. I did see richie's point with Kate Bush. I've placed her as Musical Excellence. Unlike richie I am flexible. You can convince me to change Kate Bush.
Joy Division/New Order are on that pantheon with Eurythmics, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, the Cure and the Cars. I was into a lot of Classic and Arena rock at that time. I was much more interested in bands like Journey, Night Ranger and Foreigner, As well as Bryan Adams. BUT I had a lot of New wave friends and I knew some. I will maintain JD/New Order on predictions. I will NOT put Cyndi Lauper. Respond respond

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 02:57am


I've analyzed and studied the Rock and Rock and Roll hall of fame induction process and have come up with 7 criteria that the Hall uses to select their inductee's. It's important to remember that they don't consider record sales or chart performance in their selection process which is why many fans are surprised every year when their favorites don't get in. But here's the list

Innovation: The creativity factor. Did the artist bring something new and unique to music that wasn't heard of before?

Influence: Did their ingenuity and creativity inspire many others in the industry to follow in their footsteps?

Impact: Critical Acclaim, Industry Awards, Fanbase. Has the artist's work been recognized and acclaimed by professional music industry leaders as well as their peers? Has it had a big impact on society and culture?

Length & Depth of Catalogue: Has the artist created a large body of quality work throughout their career?

Longevity: Have the artist's songs endured and stood the test of time? They weren't just the popular hits of the time that have been forgotten or are rarely played anymore.

Skill + Technique: Vocals, Songwriting, Production. Has the artist displayed a high caliber of talent, skill, and versatility with their musicianship?

Spirit: Emotion, Soul. Does the artist have the ability to invoke a strong emotional response with their music in its listeners that makes you believe what they're singing? Does their music have that special "rock and roll" essence that moves you?

Posted by Ralib Allen on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 03:43am


My rationale for puttitng Kate Bush in as a main inductee is simple. She is the biggest name in music, or one of, along with the likes of the Weeknd, Taylor Swift and Harry Styles, of 2022. Her song went absolutely nuclear thanks to Stranger Things. Inducting her, for the RRHOF, gives it a marketing gem. They are trying their damnedest to increase the popularity and notoriety of the Hall. It gets younger fans, eyeballs and fanfare for adding her. We, as a whole, tend to view the RRHOF balloting from a more nostalgic, historic or cyclical viewpoint. From a commercial and popular view, they will increase profit for the Hall by going the route of Kate Bush, Missy Elliott, and the White Stripes. I'm not saying they'll all be inducted, but it drives it further away from the old aging fans of 60s and 70s music, and the rock populists who are trying to gatekeep the Hall in diminishing numbers.

Richie is inflexible, as usual. You try to reason with him, and he throws up his cut and paste response and asks you to make a prediction like you didn't about 5 minutes before. That's in his nature. He has points at times, but I am going largely on my gut and trends. I have been right more than wrong about inductions over the years, and I get this feeling Kate Bush is coming fast and hard. She's going to be the "rock star", figuratively and literally, of this class.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 03:50am


Mat r,

Also wondering who Debbie and Clem Burke are voting for, I wonder if they talk with Chris about their votes. As well as the other former members of Blondie, but idk if Frank infante is talking with the rest of the band. Glen matlock is on Blondie lineup currently and he's got a vote too

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 06:23am


Ben,

Please don't predict Kate Bush as a Performer, Please keep her as Musical Excellence, Also, Joy Division/New Order are not on the pantheon with The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, They're more in line with The Smiths and Devo, So please take JD/NO out of your predictions for the 2023 inductees and add Cyndi Lauper in their place, I think you're really underestimating Cyndi's chances and overestimating JD/NO's chances.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 06:48am


Richie just repeats and does not listen to others

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 07:20am


Yo weird q

Would Kim Thayil and Hiro Yamamoto he the first performer inductees of Asian heritage since Freddie Mercury?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 08:53am


I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did)

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's and INXS (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, I think they're gonna be more like Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 09:32am


I'm gonna say it cause it's annoying af at this point

CAN WE STOP ACTING LIKE KATE BUSH IS THE BIGGEST THING

Running Up That Hill is big, she is not

That song has more Spotify plays than the rest of her top 10 combined, she has 2 other songs that broke 100m, and her top 10 includes songs that haven't broken 10m streams there. Compare to the White Stripes who have 5 songs with 100m+ streams and a song with almost 400m more plays than her. She has the most monthly listens (largely cause Running Up That Hill is on a ton of playlists) but White Stripes have a similar number and they haven't done anything in a decade, George Michael (he's got 6 songs with 100m+ streams and 3 that are close to it, also 3 with between 290m and 700m streams) same story and he's been dead for 7 years. Cyndi has 2 with over 500m streams as well

Please can we just acknowledge the fact she's dependent on 1 song's popularity (along with pre-existing acclaim cause that was there last year) with being impressive enough to get her in. Cause it seems like no one from the Kate is getting in as a performer 100% camp wants to admit that

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 10:23am


George Michael has surpassed Cyndi Lauper for # 1 in the fan poll!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 10:41am


The Hall is designed to induct influential artists that's why Kate Bush was nominated 3 times even before Running up That Hill blew up. She has had a huge impact on other artists and is innovative and original. Even in America the song was huge and was the most streamed song for weeks it should have been number one. All of this without giving interviews and without promoting herself on TicToc, Twitter, instagram and so on.
She is name checked by other artists more than any other female not inducted, again the Hall was designed to honor people like her. The Hall was not designed to be a popularity contest for commercial artists who haven't brought anything new to the table.
But sadly, the Hall has turned into people like MattR thinking those with the biggest hits should be inducted.

Posted by Joeey Me on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 11:26am


Joeey me

Duder

No that's not what I've said at all. Learn to read.

I've said she has an extremely good chance at induction this year and have asked for people to put their comments about her into perspective in response to k-dawg's claim she's the biggest name and comparing her to harry styles.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 11:43am


Kate Bush should not be inducted into the Rock Hall. While she may have had some influence, I don't feel that she had enough in America to warrant induction. Others may be have other opinions, and that is fine. I consider myself a fairly knowledgeable observer of the music scene for the last 40 years, and that is my view on the matter.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 11:47am


Mark telsa

She should be inducted because she's probably one of the 10 or 15 most influential women in the history of pop. Especially on America popular music.

I'm also sick of the hall's American success focus (British too) so go away

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:02pm


Mat R,

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did)

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, I think that they're gonna be more like Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:02pm


Richie
Stop with the copypasta

Actually write stuff

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:04pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Mat R and Will M,

In the event that one of the bands/acts get an induction this year, who would be the biggest beneficiary of that act next year?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:16pm


Out of all the nominees, Kate Bush would be the top 3 of getting in because of how Running Up That Hill was spotlighted last year. New Order/Joy Division could fill that new wave 80s spot because of their acclaim. Certainly muich much better than having INXS or B-52s on that spot

Posted by new person on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:20pm


For what it's worth:

Think it will be:

Willie Nelson
The White Stripes
Sheryl Crow
Kate Bush
George Micheal

If six:

Joy Division/New Order

If seven:

Warren Zevon

My ballot:

George Micheal
Willie Nelson
Missy Elliot
Iron Maiden
The Spinners

If six:

A Tribe Called Quest

If seven:

Rage

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:28pm


For what it's worth:

Think it will be:

Willie Nelson
The White Stripes
Sheryl Crow
Kate Bush
George Micheal

If six:

Joy Division/New Order

If seven:

Warren Zevon

My ballot:

George Micheal
Willie Nelson
Missy Elliot
Iron Maiden
The Spinners

If six:

A Tribe Called Quest

If seven:

Rage

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:29pm


The Spinners were average? And while I love the White Stripes' song 'Seven Nation Army' I can't consider them legendary by any stretch of the imagination. Good group, though.

By the way, I think that acts like Foreigner, Jethro Tull, Chubby Checker, Neil Sedaka, Connie Francis, the Guess Who, and Joe Cocker are long overdue for induction.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:29pm


K-DAWG
I was surprised to see Sheryl Crow this time around. They have been nominating other female artists like Dionne Warwick and Kate Bush. Thought they would get to Sheryl Crow in a few years. She's already around 60 so I guess it's time for a nomination. I think Melissa Etheridge and Sheryl Crow are around the same age and I think Etheridge could be next for nomination. I thought they would go with The Bangles & The B-52s first but I was wrong. Also was wrong about Joy Division & New Order. Thought they would go with Bryan Adams & INXS for 80's. It's the 25 the Anniversary of Michael Hutchence passing and INXS has many great hit songs. Bryan Adams has just done about everything and received many accolades. Thought it was his time. Guessed right on bringing A Tribe Called Quest back. Thinking about my Nominations, I was right on A Tribe Called Quest, Iron Maiden, Soundgarden, Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, Cyndi Lauper. Some people were right selecting George Michael. I thought they would wait for a few years since he's been dead for awhile now. He also had sporadic output after some early success as a solo artist. I had Willie Nelson on and off my list for several years. They selected him this year and I had him off my list. He seems to be a lock. Would never had put The White Stripes and Missy Elliott on my list this year. They accelerated the eligibility for The White Stripes surprising the FRL Regulars and other Hall Watchers. Including myself. I'm still shocked Emmylou Harris has not been nominated or inducted. They could give her a Special Award.
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:37pm


I'm contemplating if I should pick White Stripes getting in since the ballot voters will likely just vote for 1 freshman eligible with Missy Elliot filling that spot. Also Jack White appeared dismissive ofthe Rock and Roll Hall of Fame so they could get the Radiohead treatment where they get voted in the second year instead.

Posted by Jay kay on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:37pm


jay f k,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:42pm


Richie

Kate Bush - Bjork, tori amos

Cyndi Lauper - billy idol, the bangles

Sheryl Crow - Alanis Morissette, Tracy Chapman, Liz Phair, Sarah McLachlan, the whole Lilith Fair crowd (she is low key the most important nominee this year)

Missy Elliott - 50 Cent, lil Wayne

Iron Maiden - Motorhead

Joy Division and new order - siouxsie and the banshees, Adam ant

George Michael - Bryan Adams, culture club

Willie Nelson - jimmy Buffett, Merle Haggard

Rage - faith no more, megadeth

Soundgarden - smashing pumpkins, oasis

A tribe called quest - Outkast, Wu tang

The spinners - war, Kool and the gang

White stripes - pavement, pixies

Warren Zevon - harry Nilsson

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:57pm


Matt R,

If you believe that Kate Bush should be a Hall of Famer that's fine. One of the 10 to 15 most influential women in the history of pop? Maybe in England but certainly not here in America. Where the Hall of Fame is based. And that is , and should be, an important factor. Many of my favorite artists were English. And virtually all of them are already in the Rock Hall. And deservedly so, not because I liked them but because the were influential AND successful in America. Also, I don't have to go away because you disagree with my opinion. It's a shame that you take it personally that everyone doesn't believe that she should be inducted. Anyway, Matt, no hard feelings and take care.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 13:13pm


Mark telsa

She's the first artist to use a headset mic and do elaborate choreography and sing during live performances in pop. That alone puts her way up there and it's not even factoring in tori amos or Fiona Apple.

And I'm telling you to go away with the America shit. Rock is a global thing and The rock hall has also actively been trying to break away from the American focus the hall has had for 30 years. Using American success as a reason not to see someone as worthy of induction needs to stop because it's the very American elitism that caused the hall to ignore everyone from Roxy music to Serge Gainsbourg and become a joke among serious music nerds.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 13:33pm


Mat R,

What are your predictions for inductees in the side categories (Ahmet Ertegun Award, Early Influence and Musical Excellence) this year?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 13:35pm


E.i. and a.m.e. are hard to predict but given they mentioned him by name in promotional materials this year Michel Gondry for Ertegun

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 13:45pm


Matt R,

Stating that an artist shouldn't be in the Rock Hall is not equivalent to saying that the artist isn't good or that their music has no value. Kate Bush made some good music. Every good artist can't be in the Hall of Fame. There have been many fine performers whose music I've enjoyed but whom I wouldn't induct. And I can understand the irritation that a fan may feel when someone expresses the view that an artist that they like is undeserving of induction. Matt, I can honestly admit that it angered me a few years ago when a co-worker expressed the opinion that Pat Benatar shouldn't be a Hall of Famer. I disagreed , but I didn't attack the person. I know that it can be annoying when people disagree with you.

On another point- the American market is the largest and most important in the world. It should carry the most weight. Should the voters, who are mostly Americans, judge artists who were most successful and influential in Japan as the same as those in the US? Or those in Australia? Mexico? Germany or France? There are acts who were giants in those countries but did little to nothing here. Artists such as Zucchero, Robbie Benson, Nana Mouskouri, and Susie Quatro come to mind.

Matt, I admire your passion in standing up for Kate Bush. I mean no insult to her. I thank you for your comments.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 14:33pm


Mark Tesla

I want to talk about the American argument cause I think you misunderstood my point (you are talking about voters and I am talking about the hall). The American market plays a role in the performer vote but it shouldn't be the decider on entry. The rock hall, and sometimes the voters, has realized this and taken action cause there are people (eg Roxy music, Kraftwerk) whose importance outweighs their lack of American commercial success. Kate Bush, Fela Kuti, maybe Buffy saint Marie, Serge Gainsbourg, and my bloody valentine are all in that camp.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 14:54pm


Anyways I asked something earlier and am curious if anyone knows

Would Kim Thayil and Hiro Yamamoto he the first performer inductees of Asian heritage since Freddie Mercury?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 15:44pm


Matt R,

I would certainly agree that there are certain artists whose influence overshadows their commercial success, and should be Hall of Famers. I agree with you about Kraftwerk. Roxy Music is on the borderline for me. In my opinion, the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa, Woody Guthrie, and Nina Simone were quite deserving.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 16:31pm


Matt R,

Kirk Hammett, lead guitarist of Metallica, has Asian ancestry. His mother is of Filipino descent. Metallica was inducted in 2009, 8 years after Queen.-Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 17:05pm


Mark Tesla

True but still that is an insanely long time and crazy to thing the number of Asian inductees this century at least will double with a single induction

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 17:28pm


Also just remembered Jane Wiedlin is of Lebanese decent. So 3 I guess total?

I really hope that Soundgarden get in (maybe Dick Dale as early influence) cause that's a small number of people especially when considering it's the largest continent

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 17:41pm


Mat R,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If Kate Bush gets inducted via Musical Excellence and If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 17:42pm


Mark Tesla,

Roxy Music is not a borderline artist. It is a representative glam-rock band, it has significant importance on new wave musicians like Duran Duran, Talking Heads and U2. Bryan Ferry is often also cited as the god father of new romantic music.

Posted by AAA on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 18:13pm


There's some rumors based on prior chairman comments that the reason they haven't announced where the induction ceremony is being held is because they want to host it in London if Kate Bush is inducted so she can be coaxed into attending the ceremony and perform.
Thoughts?

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 19:16pm


Guest,

Rock Hall chairman John Sykes confirmed in a interview with Forbes last November during press for the 2022 ceremony that the ceremony will rotate between Cleveland, Los Angeles and New York, so I expect this year's ceremony to be held in either Cleveland or New York.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 19:33pm


AAA,

As far as meriting induction into the Rock Hall of Fame, I do feel Roxy Music was borderline. Of course that's my opinion. If you feel otherwise that's fine. They were a band of some importance. But I didn't necessarily agree with their induction.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 19:45pm


Mat r,

I agree with you on the Asian inductees. Well, let's induct Smashing Pumpkins into the Hall, which might happen soon. Their member James Iha is of Asian descent. —Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 19:56pm


Greg F,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 20:14pm


Richie,
In all seriousness, you need to go outside and touch grass.

Posted by Apollo on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 20:21pm


I made a boo boo in an earlier post. I meant to mention Robbie Williams, not Robbie Benson. It was a case of "Alien Hand" at work!—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 20:35pm


I made a boo boo in an earlier post. I meant to mention Robbie Williams, not Robbie Benson. It was a case of "Alien Hand" at work!—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 22:19pm


Mark Tesla

Soundgarden, pumpkins, Deftones, Dick Dale, Ravi Shankar, A. R. Rahman, dream theater, Black Eyed Peas, eventually Linkin park, M.I.A., Norah Jones, and LCD Soundsystem

Get that representation up cause it's kinda gross how lacking it is. Like how the f*** has Ravi Shankar not been inducted?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 22:21pm


Mat R

When Willie Nelson gets into the Rock Hall this year following Dolly Parton last year, Who do you think will be the next Country artists in line after Dolly and Willie?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 22:37pm


Mat r,

I thought of Norah Jones when you posted your original comment on Asian inductees. She will have to wait until 2027 for induction!—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 22:45pm


Richie

I told you either jimmy Buffett or Merle Haggard....maybe Waylon Jennings, the chicks, or Emmylou Harris but I think they lack name recognition. George Jones, Tammy Wynette, Glenn Campbell, and Loretta Lynn are also contenders (Glenn is a heavyweight for Musical Excellence)

Dream picks for me are like wilco and silver jews

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 22:49pm


Mat R,

As much as I love Jimmy Buffett, Merle Haggard, Waylon Jennings, The Chicks, Emmylou Harris, George Jones, Tammy Wynette, Glen Campbell and Loretta Lynn, I think that the next Country artists in line after Dolly and Willie should and will be Garth Brooks and Shania Twain because of their record sales alone and they would sell more tickets to the ceremony and bring more ratings to HBO than Buffett, Merle, Waylon, The Chicks, Emmylou, Jones, Tammy, Glen and Loretta, so for that reason, I think the next Country artists that will get nominated and inducted after Dolly and Willie should and will be Garth and Shania.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 23:09pm


Richie I don't have any predictions.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 23:13pm


richie

the chicks and jimmy are as big as both shania and garth also the rock hall seems less interested in sales when it comes to country than they are cultural icons beyond country music which everyone i mentioned is

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 23:37pm


Ritchie,

As we all know the rock hall SHOULD be based on commercial success EXCLUSIVELY and absolutely nothing else. If they didn't sell more than 100 million records they don't belong. Artists with limited success like The Velvet Underground, Clyde McPhatter, and Kraftwerk should be completely and immediately expelled. Make way for GARTH BROOKS BABY YEAAA CHRIS GAINS!

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 23:41pm


Will M,

So by your definition, also Ramones, The Clash, Patti Smith, Talking Heads, The Stooges, Elvis Costello, Joni Mitchell & Sex Pistols should be out too. I think you're forgetting that the RRHOF is not there for artists who simply have ticket & album sales. If that were the case, then acts like Backstreet Boys & Celine Dion would be up next. Hmmm be careful with that statement of yours.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 00:02am


Also Richie,

Joy Division/New Order doesn't have any competition from anyone on the ballot this year so it's 90% possible that they'll be FYN inductees. If you have the Cure & Depeche Mode in the Hall, then JD/NO would be next. Doesn't matter about how much sales & hits they have.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 00:07am


Jordan Einstein,

I disagree with you on JD/NO, I just don't see them getting in right away and being FYN inductees, If The Smiths couldn't get in on either of their nominations for the 2015 and 2016 classes, then I highly doubt that JD/NO will as well, I think that it will take them multiple/a few nominations to get in just like The Cure and Depeche Mode did.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 00:15am


Why do you all constantly prioritize influence on this site? Shouldn't legacy and success come first?

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 00:29am


The Smiths couldn't get in mainly due to Moz putting his foot in his mouth. Eventually I could see them getting in less than 5 years even with Moz incendiary remarks. Johnny Marrs work with the band isn't going to be overlooked

Posted by jayk on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 01:09am


Everyone

Smiths will never get in as long as Moz is seen as a White supremist (f*** nazis) so Johnny Marr for Musical Excellence.


NOTE: let me spell the f-word with regards to nazis

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 01:17am


Is Kirk Hammett of Asian descent too? I thought...

The Smiths aren't near the level of the others. They made a big flash when they popped up, but even with their polarizing frontman--they don't belong in the same sentence. With Joy Division/New Order.

and Mat R,

to clarify...I'm not saying Kate Bush is such a huge name in the industry. Her star is burning brightest right now because of the Stranger Things exposure, and the Hall would be wise to capitalize on that..and they probably will. I see her being inducted, and she has come from me last year after the inductions not putting her even on my list. I just have a legit gut feeling she is headed to the top of the ballot...ME would be a ridiculous idea at this point for her...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 02:01am


Mat R,

I am confused about your opinion of Kate Bush as a Performer. You seem to predict her as a Performer very firmly. You mentioned its on the strength of one song but also feel she will be inducted as a Performer.
You want us to just acknowledge the fact she's dependent on 1 song's popularity along with previous acclaim. And this is impressive enough to her in. Unlike richie I am reconsidering Kate Bush for Performer. I need convincing. I currently picked her for Musical Excellence.
What are your predictions? I am not richie if you are not ready tell us another time.
I am predicting Joy Division/New Order. There is enough evidence to support them for Performer. Not my thing but that happens all the time. Due to Priorities I am leaving Cyndi Lauper, I love her songs but I made that mistake with Pat Benatar,
Wille Nelson will be Inducted for sure. Thats a lock. He is 90 and would bring down the house. What are your thoughts?

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 04:04am


Why not Garrus? Influence is among the main factors when it comes to recognition from the RRHOF. That's exactly where there's an Early Influence category.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 04:06am


Jordan Einstein,

Thank you for understanding sarcasm.

No that paragraph isn't what I actually believe. I was being sarcastic to make a point against Ritchie. Patti Smith is one of my favorite artists ever, she should've gotten in 2001, way earlier than 07.

Also I hate Celine Dion and acts like that

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 07:54am


Must say I'm in love with these nominees, better than last year.

Sheryl crow over alanis morisette is the ultimate shade for the crap
Alanis dished out.

I think it will be:
-Kate bush over cydney lauper
-Iron Maiden over RATM
-soundgarden over joy division (tho
The fact it's combined w new order is a good sign)
-the spinners
-missy eliott over a tribe called quest (only one I'd say could go either way)
-willie Nelson
-George Michael

And warron zevon will get musical excellence possibly but not inducted as a performer if not . I wouldn't be surprised if willie did either.

If it's a class of only 5 which honestly it should be, then it will be:

-A rap act
-A big name pop star act (George or cydney)
-Two of the 3 metal/rock acts (Iron Maiden would likley get the snub)
-And one of the other 3 singer songwriters (Kate , warron, or willie)

With one of those 3 most likely getting musical excellence, probably Kate or Nellie or even new order/joy division for what they did for their respective genres

Wasn't expecting Sheryl crow, all I know is that she was nominated to throw shade at alanis and I'm living for it.

After Kate bush's year last year it's pretty hard to not see her getting in. Does she hold a record for longest wait between a single reaching the top 10? That's so timeless.

Posted by Mikhail on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 08:04am


Ben

I think it's gonna happen but can see it not happening as a performer.

My issue is that everyone has seemingly acting like she's a superstar when she very much isn't. Like everything suggests running up that hill is widely known and she and her discography isn't. Like everyone put on that song and turned off hounds of love right after and people here are saying she's a big deal and I don't think that's the case.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 09:13am


https://twitter.com/blacklodgedance/status/1521830325524987906

https://twitter.com/blacklodgedance/status/1521922243013451776

According to Casper on Twitter, Here's what he said last year when the 2022 inductees were announced:

This inductee crop tells us that the current voting body is very poptimist and populist, favoring all these acts (but not Warwick) over the more cutting edge, left of center acts that made up rest of ballot

Then, he said this when all of the top 8 acts in the fan vote last year (Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Judas Priest, Carly Simon and Lionel Richie) got in last year:

Seems like the current voting body is a lot more populist than we thought given the inductees and the match with the fan vote

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 09:17am


I really feel like people are underestimating Sheryl Crow and it's kind of weird.

Like she's the female foo fighters but she's bigger and more acclaimed than them. Super long career as a hit maker with a number of popular radio staples and a solid run of albums including an rs500 appearance. She's kind of the successor to Tom petty.

She also is probably the most important nominee on the ballot in terms of opening new lanes (VH1/Lilith Fair/90s women who rock) and kind of suggests the 80s is mostly done.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 09:42am


Mat R,

I also feel like people are underestimating Cyndi Lauper as well, because of the current 80's MTV trend that dominated the class last year, so I think that Cyndi is getting in this year because she's in the top five of the fan vote with George Michael, Soundgarden, Willie Nelson and Iron Maiden, so I think that out of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Soundgarden, Willie Nelson and Iron Maiden), I think that four of them (George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Soundgarden and Willie Nelson) will get in this year and Iron Maiden will be the one that misses out on induction once again this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 09:50am


Richie

The issue with Cyndi is that she had a short AF run. Like 1 album and 4 singles after. She remained an icon, thanks to activism and composing, but she had no real impact on pop past true colors.

She's very much not like Duran Duran or Eurythmics or Janet or even the go-gos (they had a short run but Belinda and Jane had hits for a while after).

She'd be a stretch but she's so unusual and the single true colors are landmarks. I think she takes 2 nods but again could definitely happen this year

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 10:08am


Mat R,

but I disagree with you on Cyndi, I think that she is getting in this year on her first try, as well as she should.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 10:12am


Richie

I told you what I think. Like you didn't give me anything new to consider

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 10:15am


Mat R,

As much as I love Joy Division/New Order, I just don't see them getting in FYN, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) all had much more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, I think that they're gonna be more like Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements and take multiple/a few/a couple of nominations to get in.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 10:24am


Sometimes I think Richie is just a bot.

Richie, are you going to admit you were wrong about Celine dion?

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 10:40am


K - Dawg,

You're not the only one who thinks that.

Will M,

I see now, sorry about my comment towards you.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 12:01pm


Matt R,

Cyndi Lauper sold approximately 50 million albums world wide and had 2 albums that went multiplatinum. Her debut album sold 6 million in the US and totaled 16 million worldwide. She also had 10 top 40 hits in the states. That certainly is better than the Go Gos(with Belinda's career combined) and Eurythmics. The latter of which whos last top 20 hit was in 1986. Cyndi's last top 10 was in 1989.

Posted by jay k on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 12:17pm


Jay k

She didn't sell 50 million albums she sold 50 records the majority of which were the result of she's so unusual (16m on the album and I think 10 million from singles)

The go gos had 5 top 40, Belinda had 6 top 40 for 11 plus Jane's (funny how you ignored that) top 10 hit for 12....over a 9 year period to Cyndi's 7.

The Eurythmics sold 75m records and 10 top 40 singles plus the crazy careers of Annie and Dave, both of whom remained relevant to pop for like....ever.

Cyndi had a short run as a star.....but in that run she had she's so unusual which is a landmark of pop and then released true colors which is one of the boldest singles of the 1980s. Those are what makes her a hall of famer much like how the go-gos position as the first major league all woman band and the Eurythmics groundbreaking sound and visuals pushed them into the hall of fame. If she didn't have that album and single she'd probably be in the same boat as like Debbie Gibson or a flock of seagulls

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 13:19pm


https://www.prpeak.com/local-news/bc-senior-dying-of-cancer-trying-to-secure-her-familys-future-before-time-runs-out-6446567

I wanted to talk to you guys about non-Rock Hall stuff, As you may know, My mom was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer last year and though her first treatment for immunotherapy went well, She had severe side effects in her second treatment and she lost a lot of weight because of it and she's now down to 81 pounds, Also, My Nana (Mom's mom) went into the hospital on December 5 and never came home, She passed away six weeks later on January 16 at the age of 85 at Sechelt Hospital in Sechelt, so all in all, I'm going through a tough time right now, There's a fundraiser for my Mom two weeks from today on Sunday, February 19 at Run With Soup and there's also a GoFundMe page for help for me, My mom and my family when she passes away at some point, so I just wanted to tell you guys this, I'm so sorry that all of this is happening and I'm struggling to cope right now because of it, so please keep me, My mom and my family in your thoughts and prayers during this tough time, Thanks and Have a great day....

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 15:05pm


Richie,

God bless you and your mother.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 15:42pm


jesus christ ritchie im so sorry, wishing you and your family the best man

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 16:35pm


Matt r,

That's funny and a good point at the same time.
If she didn't have that album She's So Unusual and singles she'd probably be in the same boat as like Debbie Gibson or a flock of seagulls. I have never heard anyone mention A Flock of Seagulls. They have NO chance thats for sure.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 18:50pm


Good night for willie. He won the Grammy for best Country album

https://pitchfork.com/news/willie-nelson-wins-best-country-album-at-2023-grammys/

Meanwhile Sheryl lost best Americana song

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 19:55pm


Looking at fan vote numbers, theres been a lot of shifting, George Micheal passed Cyndi, Soundgarden passed Willie, Joy Division New Order passed Sheryl Crow and are on path to pass Rage Against The Machine. i wonder if zevon could potentially break the top 5, this is a pretty unstable, very entertaining to watch fan vote

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 20:19pm


Well, I can safely say that Missy Elliott is getting inducted this year after her brief, yet memorable performance at this year's Grammys during the 50 years of Hip Hop performance.

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 21:42pm


John RC,

I have not mentioned Melissa Misdemeanor Elliott for a reason yet. This is the most egregious example of the Hall skipping to the head of the line and passing up 2 decades of women who paved the way for Missy to do her thing. Salt n Pepa, TLC, En Vogue...all 3 should be ushered in before she does. Women in hip hop's path was paved by Whitney and Janet's help, but they completely dumped the late 80s and virtually all of the 90s to continue with their rap statement. The hall has cherry picked for decades, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. It's way too soon for Missy.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 22:12pm


So Bonnie Raitt just won Song of the Year... not that the Grammys matter much, but that's kinda crazy considering the competition she had -- Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Adele, Harry Styles, Lizzo, etc...

Posted by Brasssection on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 22:20pm


K dawg,

really hit the nail on the head there. consistently, popular artists are inducted before those who came first and its straight up unfair. Genesis have been inducted before King Crimson, NIN were inducted before Joy Divison/New Order, Ramones were inducted before New York Dolls, Eminem before so many rappers, Metallica were inducted before Motorhead, The Clash were inducted before the MC5, Nirvana before Pixies, Pearl Jam before the Minutemen, Alice Cooper before Screaming Jay Hawkins, Green Day were inducted before Buzzcocks, Joan Jett was inducted before the Runaways, and practically everyone whos been inducted prior to Big Mama Thornton. So many more examples, and Missy being inducted will only be the latest in a continuing trend of chasing big names and money as much as possible while ignoring pioneers. the hallwatchers podcast published a great editorial touching on this very subject.

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 22:33pm


Another Woman in Hip Hop who is absoultely worth an induction is Queen Latifah. she came from the same new york scene as a tribe called quest and de la soul.

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 22:36pm


If Cyndi Lauper and George Michael both get in this year, Do you think that Phil Collins will be nominated next year in 2024 because he would be the last big 80's Pop Star left to nominate and induct?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 23:04pm


Guys can we be real for a second again....They went Missy cause she actually can get in on the ballot, same goes for Lauryn Hill. Queen Latifah, MC Lyte, Salt-N-Pepa probably stand no fighting chance if LL Cool J couldn't (I don't think many 80s or pre-gangsta rap acts do).

It's also worth pointing out Missy and Lauryn are arguably the two of the 10 or 20 greatest rap/hip hop artists in history, definitely the greatest women in the genre.

Skipping the q to get to Missy is objectively the right call.

Also TLC and En Vouge aren't rap/hip hop acts. They had hip hop elements but they are not rap/hip hop.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 23:05pm


Currently, JD/NO stands at 8th in fans rock and it is close with the rage against machine. I will not suprise if JD/NO finishes as the 6th in the fans vote finally.

Posted by TLC on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 23:26pm


Richie

Maybe there's also Billy Idol, Billy Squire, Bryan Adams, Babyface, Kenny Rogers, Luther Vandross, and the mystery that is Weird Al.

Kenny Loggins (I do think he'll come up) and Robert Palmer (I don't think he'll come up) too but one isn't MTV and the other had limited success. Rick Springfield has a decent case but lacks cred I think for a lot of people.

Sting and Steve Winwood too but I don't see them making a ballot again.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 23:37pm


Mat R,

They are very much hip hop. I would tend to agree with your statement that they aren't really rap, excepting Left Eye from TLC, but everyone in the Hall seems to equate all of hip hop with rap specifically. Hip hop also is blues, R and B, funk and soul. Usher, Justin Timberlake, Rihanna...as well as TLC, En Vogue and others are predominantly hip hop. The rap acts the Hall is picking are definitely influential, but they're also going for the most recognizable names. This is no coincidence. Same reason they're throwing Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson up there, same reason Kate Bush is favored to win a nom despite very limited support up until now, and her success with the rerelease of Running Up That Hill. I'm gonna keep saying, the Hall is trying to put themselves over and quiet the dissenters. Sometimes it's fine, others it's a slap in the face to many genres and acts, but it's all their MO.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 00:15am


Matt R,

Good points about Billy Idol, Billy Squier, Bryan Adams, Babyface, Kenny Rogers, Luther Vandross, and there is also Asia. Im mentioning them because I was playing them before. I know all the acts above but as a Rock fan I caught up on Luther later on. Im essentially the middle age rocker here. Also I witnessed earlier days of the Hall.
The earliest year I followed a lot was 1993
It is the 30th Anniversary of the 1993 ceremony. There is nothing special about that. But thats 30 years I follow the hall.
In case you don't know
1993 class
Cream
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Doors
Etta James
Frankie Lymon and Teenagers
Van Morrison
Sly and the family Stone

It's always been somewhat diverse at the Hall. It was just a 1960s focus back 30 years. Just some perspective.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 05:00am


If 'richie' was an AI chatbot, I've watched enough sci fi films to know that his name would have to actually be an acronym.

What would it be?

Remote Independent Chatting Humanoid Ion Entity

(as an old Star Trek fan, had to throw 'Ion' in there)

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 08:03am


Just read note from Richie on his mother's cancer fight and grandma's passing. Man, that is some tough stuff to deal with! My condolences to your family on your great loss. Saying prayers for your mother to rally and beat this sickness.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 08:09am


K dawg

If we're counting them as hip hop as opposed to rnb with hip hop elements then rnb largely stopped existing after 1991. Sonicly they're closer to Mariah and Bobby brown than j dilla or Diddy so I'm gonna respectfully disagree.

I'm also gonna be blunt and say I don't know why people are complaining about Missy skipping the line when the white stripes blasted past pixies, pavement, and sonic youth to become the first indie American nominee and first overall since the Smiths.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 10:03am


Mat R

Yeah, I don't know when the complaint about Missy Elliott getting inducted comes from. Yeah, I know that she's inducted before the other legends who came before her, but we can't stop it and I will be very happy to see her inducted this year.

And after her performance at the Grammys last night, she can still put on a show stopping performance and will get the audience excited, and also increases her chances of getting inducted on her first year of eligibility.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 18:22pm


Want:

Cyndi Lauper
Kate Bush
The Spinners
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon


Neutral:

Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Soundgarden
A Tribe Called Quest


Too Soon:

Sheryl Crow
Rage Against the Machine
Missy Elliott
The White Stripes

Overall, I am not all that excited by most of the only 14 nominees. They could have definitely had more older and bigger acts nominated too. Still, I hope they induct at least 7-8 of these and make good use of the other categories to help clear some of the massive backlog of artists that should already be in.

Posted by Jennifer on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 18:55pm


Want:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Joy Division-New Order
Soundgarden
The Spinners
A Tribe Called Quest
Warren Zevon

Neutral:

Iron Maiden
George Michael
Willie Nelson

Ehhh…:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against the Machine
The White Stripes

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 19:54pm


Cyndi Lauper back on top!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 19:56pm


Goerge Michael will probably get in since he has a diamond album. The last class where nobody had a diamond album was 2013. Likewise, Warren Zevon will probably get in since we need some classic rock. Since the 3 Classic-rock heavy classes, we've had Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks in '19, The Doobies in '20, Todd Rundgren in '21, and Pat Benatar last year. The White Stripes probably will get in, as will Missy. Whoever wins the fan vote is my next guess, followed by Willie Nelson.

Again, who is the biggest albums act and who is the biggest singles act nominated this year? Singles is probably The Spinners, as they were the biggest singles act nominated in previous years. As for albums, Faith has sold more than any individual album by all of these people but that doesn't mean George Michael is the answer. See: 2021, where Tapestry sold more than any individual Jay-Z record despite the latter being the biggest albums act that year.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 20:08pm


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here).

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did).

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) all have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, I think that they're gonna be more like Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 20:29pm


Follower,

id say 2019 was a big classic rock year, the zombies roxy music and maybe even the cure all fit, only janet and radiohead arent really classic rock in that year. i love janet, shes pop and i dont like radiohead, theyre rock and the only really non classic rock picks that year

2020 also had T rex, plus nin and depeche mode if they count, 21 id also say was a big classic rock year with go gos carole foo fighters and tina. 22 was the first year where the non rock acts almost out number non rock groups, lionel dolly and eminem, as opposed to the rock pics 4 pat benatar carly simon euryhtmics and duran duran, plus a fifth with judas priest. i could totally see this year having definitive non rock acts outnumbering rock artists,


btw for the purpose of this paragraph im defining rock by the genre and its conventions, not using the halls very loose definition which i dont dispute.

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 21:16pm


My predictions again now that the dust has settled:

Willie Nelson
George Michael
Kate Bush
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
Missy Elliott

Spoilers:
JD/NO
Rage Against The Machine (I guess I'm the only Rage fan now on this board) :(
The White Stripes

Very competitive ballot I hope they don't go boring.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 21:54pm


Will m

I actually kind of have a hard time seeing the rock outnumbered this year. Like, if you count Bush as art rock/pop or prog which many do, in a class of 7 you need a sweep kind of of Michael, Lauper (some would call her pop rock but let's count her as pop), Missy, and willie to have that class (assuming tribe and spinners don't overperform).

Michael, Missy, and Willie feel safe as does Zevon (who is rock and he literally had everyone going "oh shit how is he not in?") which leaves Cyndi deep in a 7 act race for 3 spots with Sheryl, bush, Soundgarden, Maiden, jd/no, and the stripes (all rock or deeply rock related). Her fans are coming out in the fan vote but she's not the critic favourite, she's not the industry favourite, she's not the most commercially successful of them, and not the sentimental favourite or the buzz artist. She stands a good chance with trends but this is not an easy class for her

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 22:00pm


Mat r

I could maybe see George and Cyndi getting in both this year. Faith and She's so unusual are both landmark albums. But you're absolutely right in that she has a lot stacked against her. Her only real public supporter right now is Billy Joel, who's also supporting Zevon. Plus, George is dead and Cyndi is alive. They might want to make up lost time ASAP with George while they have time to kill with Cyndi. And also, combining wham with his solo career, George had a wider pool of hits, faith outnumbers she's so unusual in its acclaim and sales. George also probably has more supporters in the industry, Elton John I'd imagine is a big one.

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 23:02pm


Plebeian,

Not the only one! I love Rage!

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 23:03pm


If Cyndi was the sole pop artist on the ballot, it'd be a lot easier for her. She's competing with Kate and Sheryl but George is her biggest roadblock yea. If her opponents on a ballot were all rock bands or rappers and she was the only pop star, she'd go in easy.

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 23:08pm


Mat R,

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I wanted to talk you about non-Rock Hall stuff, As you may know, My mom was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer last year and though her first treatment for immunotherapy went well, She had severe side effects in her second treatment and she lost a lot of weight because of it and she's now down to 81 pounds, Also My Nana (Mom's mom) went into the hospital on December 5 and never came home, She passed away six weeks later on January 16 at the age of 85 at Sechelt Hospital in Sechelt, so all in all, I'm going through a tough time now, There's a fundraiser for my Mom on Sunday, February 19 at Run With Soup and there's also a GoFundMe page for help for me, My mom and my family when she passes away at some point, so I just wanted to tell you this, I'm so sorry that all of this is happening and I'm struggling to cope right now because of it, so please keep me, My mom and my family in your thoughts and prayers during this tough time, Thanks and Have a great night....

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 23:22pm


Ritchie,

My absolute deepest condolences and sympathy to you and your family right now

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 23:42pm


Plebeian, Ben, Mat R and Will M,

Let's take a break from talking about 2023 and Let's talk about past Rock Hall induction classes from 1986-2022 for a while, There's still a long time to go, so let's kill time talking about past Rock Hall induction classes from 1986-2022.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 00:00am


If I had to pick at the moment, and I reserve the right to change my mind, this is the inductees for 2023:

Cyndi Lauper
Kate Bush
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Warren Zevon
Willie Nelson
White Stripes

ME: Spinners
Iron Maiden

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 01:23am


richie,

I would love tp do this except for one problem. About 3 years ago I did this very thing. It was veryyy similar. I did reviews of every class 1993-2017. A lot of people were somewhat excited about it. K-Dawg remembers it. Some reviews were easy for me like the Doors, Gr Dead, Elton John Rod Stewart, Allman Brothers B, Neil Young Led Zep, Later on Billy Joel, Bruce S, Dusty Springfield, Steely Dan.
I did review on all the subsequent years. 2002, 2003, 2004 etc. People liked the reviews of all the classes. K-Dawg you're out there. You respond to richie a lot.
By popular demand It continued with 2018-2020. This was so I can include the Dire Straits, Nina Simone and the Moody Blues!
BUT it is tedious to do such a thing. BUT I can commemorate the 30th Anniversary of me starting with the Following. The 1993 Rock and Roll HALL of Fame class. K-Dawg say something you remember it. Say something if yu can

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 04:59am


THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL
HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

WHEN VOTING FOR WOMEN ONLY

1. Kate Bush
2. Cyndi Lauper
3. Sheryl Crow
4. Missy Elliott
5. The White Stripes

WHEN VOTING FOR BLACKS / NON-WHITES ONLY

1. The Spinners
2. Soundgarden
3. Rage Against The Machine
4. A Tribe Called Quest
5. Missy Elliott

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 06:24am


Ok Ok. I will commemorate the 30th Anniversary of me following the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I did mention it yesterday,

The 1993 Class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

This is the Main Inductees as Performer

Ruth Brown
Cream
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Doors
Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers
Etta James
Van Morrison
Sly and the Family Stone

Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Dick Clark

Early Influence:
Dinah Washington

Those are all the Inductees for 1993

And I will have a quick review of Ruth Brown

Ruth Brown
So Long" reached Number Six on the Billboard R&B
charts. It was more about blues than rhythm, a simple but
elegant showcase for a strong voice Her next single
"Teardrops from My Eyes" was as cool as "So Long". Ruth Brown
topped the R&B chart with "Teardrops" in October
1950, and the song remained there for the rest of the
year. Brown had a bunch other R&b hits with New Orleans style beat.
In 1953, Brown topped the R&B charts again, with
" (Mama) He Treats Your Daughter Mean" I have heard these I think.
She is more of a Blues singer

Brown decided to leave Atlantic
Records in 1961, when the label's priorities had begun to
change. But she never stopped being Miss Rhythm. I know of her. Ruth Brown is in my Dad's time. But he never mentioned her much at all. My Dad was into Big Band Jazz, Elvis and Classical. BUT NOT Ruth Brown
In these days of 1993. Even acts as old as this were a Performer. The latest the Hall was up to was the 1960s. So it makes sense. I witnessed the 1993 Ceremony. Did anyone else here? Ruth Brown is Blues. I love some Blues But dont know her well. I will review 2 of my favorite bands later today. Cream and Creedence Clearwater Revival. I will say CCR to save the trouble

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 08:46am


Cream are an early favorite group of mine. On more than one level. It suggested terrific qualities.
The three musicians it described were, for their audiences, the best players of their individual instruments, the
cream of British rock musicianship.
There was a lot of talk about Cream in Summer 1966.
Eric Clapton left
John Mayall's Bluesbreakers to form a group with Jack
Bruce and Ginger Baker. Ginger Baker was in a band called the Graham Bond Organization, I do NOT know them BUT I sure know Cream.
I love the albums Disraeli Gears and Wheels of Fire.
Beginning with Disraeli Gears, the band was joined in the studio by producer and multi-instrumentalist Felix Pappalardi, who became an important influence on the band's sound. Cream's music spanned many genres of rock music, including blues rock ("Crossroads", "Born Under a Bad Sign"), psychedelic rock ("Tales of Brave Ulysses", "White Room"), and hard rock ("Sunshine of Your Love", "SWLABR"). I want to stress that Sunshine of Your Love and Swalbr were Hard Rock during the 1960s. Some of you may NOT agree by modern standards.
Cream broke up in May 1968 but made one more album called Goodbye. The Farewell concerts of Cream were at Royal Albert Hall in Nov 1968

Cream may get the attention of some of you. In 1993 I was psyched saying Now we're talking. This was one of the earliest bands I was VERY interested in. Yeah there was the Beatles, Rolling Stones and of course the Who. BUT after we skip to CREAM / Respond respond

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 10:26am


This is the most competitive ballot I've seen in a while. Even with last year, the inductees were really predictable once you thought about it. This one? I don't know how things will shake out. Of course, I think you really pin down 4 people that locks/close to locks, but what about the rest?

Posted by Garrick on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 11:20am


WANT
Joy Division/New Order
Kate Bush
The Spinners
Iron Maiden
George Michael
Sound Garden

NEUTRAL
Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against the Machine
Missy Elliot
Tribe Called Quest
White Stripes

Ehh
Sheryl Crowe

Who will get in
Kate Bush
Missy Elliot
Willie Nelson
George Michael
White Sripes

If 6 , Cyndi Lauper

Posted by jay k on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 11:22am


What are your favorite and least favorite Rock Hall induction classes from 1986-2022?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 11:40am


Will M

I feel like Cyndi maybe got a bad hand here cause both George and Sheryl are on this ballot and both kind of occupy similar spots on the ballot and are both more popular than her with way longer careers. She's arguably not even the #3 or 4 artist on this list in terms of commercial success because of Soundgarden (for album sales) and Missy and Spinners (for singles) in America.

Kind of sour spot for a pop star. She is lucky that She's So Unusual is maybe the best record that anyone on the ballot put out (aside Hounds of Love and Low End) but that's shaky.

Richie

Sorry to hear. Made a donation

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 13:25pm


Mat R,

What are you talking about? She's So Unusual the best album than the rest? Are you serious? Are you going by sales because I can disprove your claim with better albums with just only the other acts on the ballot.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 14:16pm


Phebeian

It's one of the best pop albums of the 1980s and text book example of an all killer no filler with bangers and bops from start to finish. No one else on this nominee list really has an album like it.

It's a crazy good pop record.

There's a myth here that Cyndi wasn't taken seriously and isn't acclaimed but that album is routinely listed as one of the best of the 80s and all time. Among the nominees, I think it's either the 3rd or 4th highest on the rs500 just on the outside of the top 100 iirc.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 14:56pm


Mat R,

but you underestimated both Eurythmics and Carly Simon's chances last year and they both got in, so I see the same happening for Cyndi this year, She's just too big of an 80's icon to ignore and She would put on a great performance at the ceremony, so I see her getting in this year, as well as she should.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 15:04pm


Cyndi was ahead of her time in the 80s. Her odd, quirky behavior was ridiculed by many, but she has become an icon for many people. Her very song "True Colors", whether intentional or not, has inspired thousands if not millions in their respective movements. She might not be the biggest album seller, but she checks all the boxes for influence for candidacy. For other artists, and most notably, for her fans.

With the Hall's seeming goal of inducting anyone and everyone of note from the 80s, Cyndi fits. At this point, I see her and George Michael, who could be seen as a similar influencer, in easy. Especially with how many solo 80s people got in last year.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 15:10pm


Richie

Sheryl wasn't on that ballot and Kate wasn't mainstream last year.


K dawg

Yea she checks boxes but a lot of people here do.



Btw all I've said is she isn't a lock. She can get in, she has a hell of a landmark album and some iconic tracks, she just has a war with 6 other acts cause this is a rough ballot

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 15:59pm


ritchie,

probably 08, or 11. those years only have one act i really love each. john mellancamp and alice cooper

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 16:11pm


I would say the chances is larger than what most people for Cyndi Lauper is that John Sykes the new chairman has been pushing for MTV acts to get in like Duran Duran and Eurythmics. Lauper was huge for the MTV generation and is one of the last few MTV that needs to get in. I could see Billy Idol also making the nod next year because of that.

Posted by jay kay on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 16:47pm


Plus on top of that, Cyndi is currently in the lead in the fan vote, so if that holds, She will win the fan vote and get in this year and continue the trend of the fan vote winner getting inducted nearly every year (except 2020 with Dave Matthews Band), so yeah, I think that she's getting in this year, as well as she should.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 17:05pm


Omg you guys are literally saying 2 very different things.

Thing 1: this ballot is crazy competitive

Thing 2: Michael, Missy, Kate, Willie, Cyndi are locks

You're all overhyping Sykes power on voters and ignoring that last year probably 4 to 6 artists who stood no real chance last year which isn't the case this year.

Christ there are as many MTV icons from the 2000s as there are from the 80s on the ballot. What does that tell you? They aren't looking to fetishize the 80s they wanna keep moving

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 17:16pm


Mat R,

Thank you so very much for your support for me, My mom and My family, It sure means a lot to me and the world to me as well, Thank you so very much for donating to Sheri's GoFundMe page, It sure means a lot to me and everything to me as well, Thanks and Have a great day....

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 17:22pm


I realized that I did not submit my 2023 Induction Picks.
1. Willie Nelson-He has super crazy longevity over 60 years. The NOM COMM finally has placed him on the ballot. Going to be 90 end of April. Should be a great celebration for him and well-deserving. Could see Willie Nelson singing the closer with the HOFers and others gathered around. Would be amazing and electric.
2. Soundgarden-They should collect plenty of votes from the hard rock and metal RRHOF voters. Chris Cornell is a legend in life and death. Great singer and guitarist and songwriter and will be the next member of the Seattle Scene inducted. Superunknown is a KING FAV.
3. Sheryl Crow-I think she has a good chance. She has collaborated and worked with some HOF greats. Good amount of material over 30+ years. I liked The Globe Sessions. A FAV of King. I think she could draw votes from the 1,000+ HOF voters. Has appeared at past ceremonies presenting or performing. She would appear at the ceremony and have a strong performance.
4. Iron Maiden- One of the biggest snubs. Check off plenty of boxes. Great Songs, Innovation, Influence, Longevity, Musical Excellence, etc. They should pretty much sweep the votes from the hard rock and metal HOF voters. KING FAVS: Aces High, Run To The Hills, The Trooper, Wasted Years, etc.
5. Cyndi Lauper-I remember years ago as a young KING. She's So Unusual was a massive smash hit. I'm partial to All Through The Night. Girls Want To Have Fun was a catchy smash hit. Lauper still has a wonderful voice. She would appear at the ceremony and perform. It's a difficult ballot to be sure. Has a loyal group of fans and she's strong in the Fan Vote.
6. George Michael- I thought they would wait a few years on George Michael. Would have liked to see Wham!/George Michael Nomination like JD/New Order. Faith was a very popular and outstanding album. The whole album song tracks could have been hits. Listen Without Prejudice also was a FAV. It's a shame he has passed but they will get a few artists to sing his songs.
7. Warren Zevon-I think he will be inducted. Another artist who was respected by fellow musicians and worked with RRHOFers like Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt. Some of my FAVS Excitable Boy, Werewolves In London. The voting has ballooned to over 1,000 voters now and Zevon has been dead for around 20 years. I wonder if some younger voters will vote for him on a stacked ballot.

Musical Excellence: Chaka Khan & Kate Bush. Both have been multiple time nominees. It appears a good time to induct them.
Early Influence: The Sonics & MC5. Probably will be time for MC5 inducted in this way. They have hammered them on the ballot several times without success. The Sonics have been influential to later rock and punk groups. They are a KING FAV.

KING FINAL WORD: It's a very interesting ballot. Could see 12/14 earning induction. Think it could be difficult for Rage Against The Machine and The Spinners. Many of the great R&B artists voters have passed in recent years. I think it will be difficult for The Spinners to collect enough votes. Similar to Rage Against The Machine. I wouldnt be surprised if The Spinners a Special Award this year or in the future.

KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 18:39pm


Willie Nelson has dropped to # 5 from # 3, Warren Zevon up to # 4, Soundgarden # 3, George Michael # 2, Cyndi Lauper # 1.

https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 18:58pm


Completed a really interesting interview today about the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame nomination process with Alan Light. I've got a lot of editing to do to prepare it for broadcast but am targeting it for Episode 14 of my podcast, Road To Jamnation, which should be published on Spotify on February 27. There's enough material that I'll probably have to actually split it into multiple episodes.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 20:12pm


Question relating to early influence

Since everyone is talking about Kim Petras speech at the Grammys and a lot of people are zeroing in on Wendy Carlos, due to Petras Grammy claim, anyone thinking there's a decent chance for her this year?

https://www.thefader.com/2023/02/06/wendy-carlos-kim-petras-grammy-wins

Shrek

Dope

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 20:29pm


Mat r,

i love the attention that wendys currently gaining, id never actually heard of her. personally i wouldnt bet on her going in through side categories, the hall hasnt really been super gracious to film scores or electronic music .

something i just learned about was Ferry Aid, which featured Paul McCartney working with Kate Bush. Mark Knopfler is also on that but he very clearly couldnt care less about the rock hall. That adds 2 more but really 1 (Paul) Hall of famers whove worked with kate and would likely support and vote for her

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 21:39pm


i was very disapointed to learn Ferry aid did not actually involve brian ferry however

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 21:40pm


Will m

Ferry aid sounds interesting. Speaking of Paul.....anyone ever done a hall of famer break down of Ringo Starr's all star band?

Also Wendy Carlos is a little more than classical and film score..... she is often credited with popularizing the use of (moog) synthesizers as a whole, which is kind of crazy.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 22:00pm


Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

So, What are your favorite artists of all-time?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 22:37pm


richie

by eras

1950s: sinatra
1960s: beatles
1970s: clash
1980s: prince
1990s: weezer
2000s: metric
2010s: anohni
2020s: snail mail

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 22:45pm


Mat R,

Ahh I think I see what you did there. I think. Or a coincidence, Richie says Let's take a break from talking about 2023 and Let's talk about past Rock Hall induction classes from 1986-2022 for a while, I think that's what you did there. I went with the 30th Anniversary of me following the hall. it caught my attention a bit with the Beatles and Bob Dylan during 1988 But first followed it in detail with 1993.
Ok I'll continue. I covered Ruth Brown and Cream. I move ahead.

Creedence Clearwater Revival

They came to rise at a time when Psychedelic rock dominated the San Francisco scene. CCR's roots rock was an offbeat standout. Did you know the difference in 60s rock subgenres. There was NEVER anything psychedelic about CCR. Pure simple rock. I like a lot of their songs.
They were called the golliwogs first.
"Porterville," the last of the Golliwog singles was then under a new name
Creedence Clearwater Revival. The Creedence designation initially did little to change the band's status as a local success but then
Hawk-ins' rockabilly classic "Susie Q " found its way to
pioneering free-form FM station KMPX. While laden
with neo psychedelic effects, vocal processing and meandering instrumental passages, the song still held a certain magic, powered by John's swampy-sounding guitar
Susie Q was the moment of power
CCR had been waiting for
Fantasy subsequently decided to spring for an entire album. It was the first CCR album. The band consisted of lead vocalist, lead guitarist, and primary songwriter John Fogerty; his brother, rhythm guitarist Tom Fogerty; along with Stu Cook and Doug Clifford. These members had played together since 1959, first as the Blue Velvets and later as the Golliwogs, before settling on Creedence Clearwater Revival in 1967.
The band's most prolific and successful period between 1969 and 1971 produced fourteen huge top 10 singles (many of which were double A-sides) and five consecutive top 10 albums in the United States – two of which, Green River (1969) and Cosmo's Factory (1970), reached number one. The band performed at the Original Woodstock in 1969. I own the Chronicle Greatest hits, Cosmos Factory and Pendulum. As far as Basic Rnr they are one of my favorites. They was Never Anything Progressive about them. At the time they were an opposite. I like lots of songs by CCR. NOT in my top 20 but Not bad at all

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 03:45am


My favorite artist of all-time is the Beatles, followed by the Police, Billy Joel, R.E.M., Prince, Tori Amos, and John Mellencamp. Off the top of my head, my favorites from the last 20 years or so would probably be Modest Mouse, the National, Kanye West, Arcade Fire, St. Vincent, Mumford and Sons. Plenty of others that I love, but those would be my tops.

Mat r,

Love that you threw Snail Mail on your list. Good stuff.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 09:04am


My 5 picks:
Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
Iron Maiden
Missy Elliott
The Spinners or George Michael

The only one that is undeserving is Sheryl Crow, she's a middle of the road artist who wrote some good songs, but she's not innovative, original or influential. It's way too early for her name to be tossed about. It looks like Kate will eclipse her in the fan vote.

Warren Zevon was good, but not great. Kate Bush has

Posted by BillieJopatavic on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 11:30am


Ok. Now comes one of my favorite bands of all time the Doors. They were Inducted in 1993. Eddie Vedder was the Presenter. I heard it on the Radio in 1993.
The Doors

After signing with Elektra Records in 1966, the Doors with the great JIM Morrison recorded and released six studio albums in five years, some of which are generally considered among the greatest of all time,including their self-titled debut (1967), Strange Days (1967), and L.A. Woman (1971). They were one of the most successful bands during that time and by 1972 the Doors had sold over 4 million albums domestically and nearly 8 million singles.. Also I love the album Morrison Hotel 1970.

Jim Morrison died in Paris
Morrison died in uncertain circumstances in 1971. The band continued as a trio until disbanding in 1973. They released three more albums in the 1970s, one of which featured earlier recordings by Jim. They are legends but mainly for Jim Morrison. They were so good and soo cool. I don't know if anyone likes this idea of the 30th Ann of my first following of the RnR Hall of Fame
Maybe. Some one will respond. It's only 1993 class I'll cover
It gets very tedious

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 17:41pm


Ben,

I think you should cover both the 2021 and the 2022 classes because you haven't done those yet, so I think that you should do both the 2021 and the 2022 classes once you're done covering the 1993 class.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 22:55pm


Long-ago voter from the Rock Hall Revisited/Projected days checking in (I was Jim). Good to see we're still lightyears of them in the process of recognizing greatness.

My thoughts on the nominee class:

- Overall a pretty strong set of nominees, save for one or two I'll mention below. This is a class where most of them could get in and I'd really have no issue with it.

- Between this and some older inductees that would've previously been cast aside to the shame factory (Hall & Oates, Lionel Richie, Duran Duran, Def Leppard, Journey), it's clear the Hall is unafraid of 80s cheese anymore. In fact, they seem to be adopting the poptimist approach, which to me means George Michael is a virtual lock for induction. It feels very similar to the Hall & Oates nomination, which felt like one big "a-ha" moment for voters as they recognized pop craft. Some can quibble with the size of Michael's solo discography, but it's not like Guns N' Roses had a sizable set of records either...

- The Foo Fighters getting in so fast really jacked up the mainstream rock slots, which by this point should've already moved past the big four of grunge (Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains) and Stone Temple Pilots so they can cover other 90s/2000s rock and the very fun topic of debating if post-grunge actually existed. If the Foos induction was meant to give post-grunge that one bone it deserved (sorry, Nickelback), then it also created a horrible dichotomy where almost any rock snub (not just mainstream) looks awful compared to the fact that they inducted FF as a FYE.

Some of the various worthy rock artists of the last 40 years who were passed over so Dave Grohl could get another trophy...

1) Alice In Chains
2) B-52s
3) Beck
4) Dave Matthews Band
5) Dead Kennedys
6) Faith No More
7) Iron Maiden
8) Jane's Addiction
9) Jethro Tull
10) Joy Division/New Order (hopefully that gets righted this year
11) Megadeth
12) Motley Crue
13) Oasis
14) RATM
15) The Replacements
16) Smashing Pumpkins
17) Sonic Youth
18) Thin Lizzy
19) Tool
20) Weezer

...and that's to say nothing of other rock artists that I'm too stupid to mention at this moment. I guess a silver lining is that the Foos might act as a laxative for the hall to at least get Soundgarden out of the way this year and Alice In Chains the next before tackling other 80s/90s/2000s acts. But who knows, The White Stripes might wind up taking up all the rock votes this year - and that's deserved. Man, that Foo Fighters induction looks painful, and I say that as a fan.

3) Missy Elliott should get in first ballot, but the Hall is quietly jacking up 80s/90s R&B as well. The fact that Mariah Carey hasn't even received a nomination is absolutely mindboggling. Mary J. Blige and TLC still await nomination also, with Sade as a possibility too. I'm sure Beyoncé will be inducted first ballot in 2028 and she will absolutely be the Foo Fighters of the R&B side of things - a worthy artist in their own right, but they're getting in way too early. I guess I still got 5 years to be grumpy about it, lol.

4) You can tell the Hall wants to induct RATM and their buddy Morello, but they might wind up being a hard rock version of Chic for a few years. Always the bridesmaid, but never the main source of votes. I'm sure they'll eventually get in, but with Soundgarden and The White Stripes (and arguably A Tribe Called Quest) as competition, they're on the outside looking in this year.

5) Sheryl Crow...what?. That's a couple of nice singles and nothing else. That's almost as indefensible as the J. Geils nominations that reared their ugly heads in years past.

6) Willie Nelson either feels like he should've gotten in 30 years ago or should never be in, depending on if you think there's a place for a country fella like him in the Rock Hall. I'm on the side of letting more country in the Hall (yes, I still think Garth Brooks should be in), so I think he'll get in easily. This is basically a redux of Dolly Parton's induction, which felt like the Hall reaching back to right a perceived past wrong. Up to you to say if that was necessary.

7) Is this really Zevon's first nomination after nearly 30 years of eligibility? God, he (RIP) might be waiting even longer unless he winds up as a protest vote for the boomers.

8) Gonna be interesting who survives the 80s alternative death match between Kate Bush and Joy Divison/New Order. The latter is more influential, but the former just had a career-defining hit 40 years after it was recorded.

9) Iron Maiden is gonna get Judas Priest'd. God, I hate the expansion of the Musical Excellence category. What a cop-out.

10) Lauper...eh. I guess if George Michael and other 80s cheese have seen their stock rise, she might as well too. And hey, she did author some of the Reagan era's most memorable pop hits, so I guess that's a note in her favor. The nomination makes sense in theory, I just don't see how it doesn't lead us to Rock And Roll Hall of Famer Maroon 5. (Poptimist counterpoint: maybe it should!)

11) Spinners might squeak in because they're the only R&B (not rap) act on this ballot. I also think they'd round out an induction class that, aside from Missy Elliot, is shockingly white.

12) Final note: did they seriously not nominate Coldplay? Wow. Not to harp on the Foos again...

13) Final, final note: OutKast...it's been a couple years and how has a nomination not even happened yet? Now I remember why I only check this site once a year...lol.

Previous classes had around 5-7 nominees, so I'll split the bill and give my 6 picks:

- George Michael
- Missy Elliott
- The Spinners
- The White Stripes
- Soundgarden
- Willie Nelson

If it's 7, then toss in Joy Divison/New Order. See you all on induction day!

Posted by Jagger on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 23:38pm


Looks like I was dumb enough to ignore A Tribe Called Quest when I called the nomination (not induction) class shockingly white. I guess 3 black artists outta 14 ain't bad, but it still feels a little lacking, especially when you think about some of the R&B and hip-hop acts still waiting to get inducted.

Posted by Jagger on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 23:43pm


richie,

I will do that on the condition that you and hopefully others respond to the 1993 class. Hey this was the first class that caught my attention a lot. Then I will jump ahead and actually cover 2020, 2021 and 2022. I don't do an endeavor that nobody has time for. Is that a deal. So far for 1993 I covered
Ruth Brown, Cream, CCR and the Doors. How's that for a deal

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 03:39am


Ok I will continue with my commemorative look at the 1993 class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The next artist is from the 1950s. There was only 2 decades to choose from at that time. I have never known the 50s very well at all. For me Music in general really starts with the Beatles, The Who, Cream, CCR and the Doors. Ohh I neglected to mention JIMI HENDRIX. Another fav prior to 1993. He was the main artist that got my attention at the 1992 Ceremony. Ok Here is the next artist for 1993.

Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers

Its like I said I know soo little about the 1950s. My Dad taught me about it.
I only know Why Do Fools Fall in Love. And thats before my time too. Diana Ross has said that she started out trying to emulate Lymon's high-pitched, crystalline voice, his enunciation and whip-crack timing. Marvin Gaye, upon first witnessing his Motown labelmate Michael Jackson in action;,
commented that its very similar to Frankie Lymon.
Anyway With Lymon in the lead there was the song "Why Do Foois Fall in Love?" they record this song for Gee Records in November. By February
1956, it's Number One on the R&B charts and huge Top 10 hit on the Pop chart.
They
This group starred in Alan Freed's package shows and movies, did the Ed
Sullivan show and Bandstand, traveled America and flew to
London, where they performed at the Palladium. I just know they are one of the most popular groups of the 1950s. They were doo wop. I am NO way a fan of doo wop. Thats it for Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers

Etta James

I know a bit more about Etta James. Also from the 1950s. Etta is a rock and roller deep down. In an earlier time though.

Starting out as a teenage phenomenon in, the Fifties, she sang with a
raw, unharnessed energy that matched her male counterparts. Her first hit, in fact, was an in-your-face song she was 15
when she wrote and cut "Roll With Me Henry" also known as the Wallflower. Etta's erotic audacity echoed the
raunch of sisters like Bessie Smith and Ma Rainey, but
in any era she would be considered a front-line feminist, a womanchild strong enough to dramatize the outrage of woman
Starting her career in 1954, she gained fame with hits such as "The Wallflower", "At Last", "Tell Mama", "Something's Got a Hold on Me", and "I'd Rather Go Blind",. She faced a number of personal problems, including heroin addiction, severe physical abuse, and incarceration, before making a musical comeback in the late 1980s with the album Seven Year Itch. I should listen to that
Etta James was inducted to the RnR Hall of Fame in 1993, the Grammy Hall of Fame in 1999, and the Blues Hall of Fame in 2001. She also received a Grammy lifetime achievement award in 2003. Rolling Stone magazine ranked Etta James number 22 on its list of the 100 Greatest Singers of All Time. Etta James is good. She is a great old singer.

Ok There is 2 more for the 1993 class. I remember when this 1993 ceremony happened I was paying attention to Cream and the Doors for sure but there was leftover 50s. Ok there is a couple left. 2 others in the 60s but had huge rather long careers. Van Morrison and Sly and the Family Stone. Everyone someone respond

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 04:31am


Good to hear your opinions, Jagger. Hope you are doing fine.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 05:44am


Ok I have to ask what's everyone's problem with Sheryl's nomination?

She's not influential? Wtf are like Miranda Lambert, Brandi Carlile, neko case? Wtf was Lilith Fair (an event she clearly helped influence)? Wtf is the sound aaa radio? How did alt country rise when MTV and alternative radio rejected it in 1994? Who helped shape what VH1 would become?

This is clearly a woman with a massive footprint (like Christ she influenced Nickelback and kid rock who are like her polar opposites sound wise) and she had like a 15 year run as a platinum selling artist who was having pop hits 20 years into her career and some pretty acclaimed music.

'it's too early' dudes she's 60 and was working as a backup singer for like a decade before her first album.

'she's not an adventurous artist's what the crap are Dave Grohl and Tom petty?

I really don't get why people are so dismissive to pissy about this nomination

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 09:06am


Long story short - It's underlying sexism.

Posted by RJR on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 09:27am


I can't speak for everyone getting pissy about Crow's nomination, but there's no sexism on my end when I complain about it. Missy Elliott will get in first ballot as she should, and I'm a big believer that Mariah Carey is a huge snub too. The Hall in general is up-and-down with inducting important female artists (in particular female minority ones in the R&B space; look at how long it took them to induct Donna Summer and Janet Jackson), so I think Crow supporters going the identity politics route is kinda gross.

The arguments posted above by Mat r make a bit more sense and I appreciate someone actually going to the bat for Crow much more than the "muh sexism" argument. I can appreciate her music and those accomplishments and sure, that moves the needle on how I view her as a Hall-worthy act.

At first glance, she just feels really insignificant compared to almost anyone else. Her chart success was way overstated earlier (11 top 40 singles in an 11 year period is good, but really super impressive for a pop act), and her album sales took a fast dip after a kick-ass debut. I think her going down the adult alternative route so quick probably hurt her image as a trailblazer too. Hard to be seen as that when you're sharing radio space with the likes of Train.

I do think some Rock Hall watchers can do better in analyzing the impact of an a female artist on future female artists, but let's not act like Sheryl Crow is some FYE in waiting. She's an artist who had some hits and might've had some impact. I can name 20 artists from the 90s alone who had more impact than her. Also quick word of advice: don't try to justify an artist's case by comparing them to the Foo Fighters' indefensible first-ballot induction - that's just pointing out trash to make your product look like gold.

Maybe the lesson here is to not care about the order someone gets in compared to another artist. The Hall jacked that up long ago.

Posted by Jagger on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 09:57am


"but not really super impressive for a pop act)," is how paragraph 3 should read.

Posted by Jagger on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 09:59am


I know the moment anyone dies we question their worthiness of induction, but ME for Burt Bacharach? I don't think he's in the RRHOF...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 10:59am


My problem with Sheryl's nomination is that it feels like her nomination comes from her being friendly to the Hall and having connections in the music industry than her actual influence and critical acclaim. It's Lionel Ritchie's nomination all over again.

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:01am


Jagger

Compared to everyone else on the ballot she's the big name

Like steep sales drop off after her debut? George Michael and Cyndi Lauper had as steep or steeper drops than her, same goes for Soundgarden. The only other artist with 3 multi platinum albums listed is rage and Sheryl bests that by having 4.

11 years as a top 40 artist is the longest of anyone here aside from the spinners if we could wham and Michael as seperate and don't count Missy's guest spots.

If you can name 20 that aren't in do it but it seems fruitless as Sheryl has as much claim to her spot thanks to her lasting success, acclaim, and influence which literally helped shape a popular radio format, a tv station, and genre of music.

Like I'm 50/50 on her getting in but this weird underselling of her is way off.

Garrick

She played nice but a lot of people do. She also has a lot of acclaim again she's on the current rs500 albums which is something Zevon, the spinners, Maiden, and Soundgarden don't have.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:13am


Correction cause I wanna be real George Michael also had 3 multi platinum records. He's greatest hit went 2xplatinum and since I counted Sheryl's 3xplatinum greatest hits I'll count his

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:31am


Correction cause I wanna be real George Michael also had 3 multi platinum records. He's greatest hit went 2xplatinum and since I counted Sheryl's 3xplatinum greatest hits I'll count his

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:31am


Once again, can someone with the chart books tell me who is the Biggest Albums Act and the Biggest Singles Act nominated?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:38am


Plus George Michael had four great albums Faith, Listen Without Prejudice, Older, and Patience. He is definitely way more than just Faith.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:39am


Mat, you're falling into the trap of using weak nominees of supporting your argument. I don't support Lauper's nomination, so her having a "steeper drop off" than Crow doesn't matter to me. Even if we just go off Wikipedia, it says that Michael sold around 125 million records worldwide and Crow sold about 50 million, so no, she wasn't bigger than him, whether we're talking the US or globally.

Also, George was an inconsistent producer of records and got viciously outed at a peak time of homophobia in US culture, which might explain why he didn't get to enjoy a decade plus on the adult alternative train like Crow did. Regardless, he still had a long career as a solo artist in the UK, comparable in length to Crow's in terms of hits. And no, I don't think shaping the TV channel that gave us "Celebrity Fit Club" and "Pop-Up Video" is much of an accomplishment. And Sarah McLachlan founded Lilith Fair, so while Crow is apart of that era, it's not like that event happened entirely because of her.

I don't hate her as an inductee on paper, but to say she's the big name on a ballot that omits acts like Coldplay, OutKast, and Mariah Carey is selective at its best. The problem isn't so much Crow's nomination, it's the process that led to it.

Posted by Jagger on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:40am


Greg F. - I was bumping "Fastlove" off of "Older" this morning at work. What an underrated song and album!

Posted by Jagger on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:50am


Jagger

I didn't fall for any trap I'm simply talking about the ballot and the reality of it cause that's what's before us

We're also talking about an institution that puts America first so I'm looking at American numbers. Pointing out that Michael who had a sales from from 10m to 2m to 1m is valid (all before he was outed and the victim of homophobia) is valid (Sheryl had a long run as a platinum selling artist in the UK too). Btw I think george is a lock this year, he had the biggest album of anyone here, while I'm only 50/50 on Sheryl (this ballot is like 3 probable locks and 9 or 10 50/50 artists)

Also VH1 is pretty important to the careers of the nomcom and hall of famers and if we're knocking it for reality tv then why not knock MTV which did it first?

Also I said she was a vital figure to Lilith Fair, I didn't say she caused it, and that still matters. Pretending that one of the only artists to play the main stage every edition of a festival should be brushed aside when discussing important figures to it is wrong.

I said she's a big name with regards to the ballot which is what we're talking about. There is no reason to measure her against the snubs unless we're measuring everyone against them. We have to compare them to eachother rather than what was left off.

Like Jesus Christ everyone on her pales compared to Outkast.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 12:28pm


Mat, I think the problem is what you said in the first sentence: you're talking about the ballot, and I'm criticizing the process that led to the ballot, and how Crow's nomination is the personification of it.

Is Sheryl Crow better than certain nominees on the ballot? Sure, I can buy that. I even think you made some decent arguments for her influencing female country rock artists. I can see the argument that she's more important than The Spinners, Warren Zevon, or even A Tribe Called Quest. But "More Influential than The Spinners" is a piss-poor argument for the Hall in general, and I think it's okay to ask more out of our decision-makers in the nominating process, even if nothing comes of it.

If the Hall wants to honor more females, fantastic, they got Mariah Carey, TLC, Cher, Gloria Estefan, and Mary J. Blige (among others) sitting right there. If they want to honor country rockers, that's great too, because Garth Brooks is sitting right there and sold a gazillion more records while also basically being the guy popularly credited with turning country into a stadium rock exercise. To see those options and cast them aside for Sheryl Crow suggests a level of politics and stupidity that reveals a lack of imagination within the Hall beyond just "Shoot, which our our friends can we put in this year?". That's how Stevie Nicks gets in despite a thin solo catalog. That's how Dave Grohl gets to be a 2x inductee for his second band of leftover 90s rock that would make Kurt Cobain vomit.

It's not about "Sheryl Crow versus OutKast", because you obviously don't even think that comparison looks good to Crow. It's that we can be at a point where, for example, Rage Against The Machine is somehow seen as more important than Alice In Chains just because Tom Morello is buddy-buddy with the Hall. It's in how they suddenly just decide to induct Dolly Parton and will likely induct Willie Nelson basically as an "Oops, sorry" induction, as if the idea of nominating two of the most famous musicians (albeit country) just occurred to them after 30+ years. It's in how they've done such a poor job in previous eras that it causes more current eras to have their own vicious backlogs, which creates trainwreck situations where very deserving artists wait decades for even sniff a nomination.

The process isn't about who is the most worthy of induction, and giving the lady who made "Soak Up The Sun" preferential treatment over a treasure trove of more deserving artists just looks like the most insufferable form of identity politics, mixed with a gag-worthy use of the good 'ol boy system. In other words, I'm acting like one of those boomers about the Rock Hall, lol.

Posted by Jagger on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 13:33pm


Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

What are your favorite albums of all-time?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 18:25pm


Jagger

Cept everyone does rock hall politics (even those you mentioned that didn't get in - big boi has inducted people) and she's hardly the most glaring example of them on the ballot (Zevon and rage are). She's actually one of the most easily justified names on the ballot this year and, this is important, opens 3 new lanes at the hall (the 90s women in rock lane, adult alternative, and VH1).

The knocking of her nomination is weird and your reaction to that getting called out is weird.

Richie

Musick to Play in the Dark Vol. 1 by Coil

Blue by Weezer

Who Killed Amanda Palmer by Amanda Palmer

He Poos Clouds by Final Fantasy

Bridges by Gil Scott-Heron and Brian Jackson

Bites by Skinny Puppy

The Trinity Session by Cowboy Junkies

Odessey and Oracle by The Zombies

Sci-Fi-Lo-Fi Vol. 1 (anthology)

Nuggets: Original Artyfacts from the First Psychedelic Era, 1965–1968 (anthology)

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 18:53pm


Btw if the white stripes get in, y'all think we end up hearing their cover of "I Just Don't Know What to Do with Myself"?

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 19:22pm


BTW did anyone see Billboard deflate Missy this week?

They ranked the top 50 rappers ever and put her at #19. Under LL and Rakim (two guys who failed on the ballot) and more noticeably under Nicki Minaj, who was #10. Jay, Pac, Eminem, and Biggy all made the top 6 (1, 4, 5, and 6).

People here have been saying she's a lock or near lock (including me) but this throws a wrench kind of in that idea cause it paints her as a B player (which is dumb af).

It's a weird development from the industry paper.

Thoughts?

https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-rappers-all-time/50-rick-ross/

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 22:43pm


richie,

We had a deal. I will do 2020-2022 classes if people respond to the 1993 class. NOBODY. Nobody has responded, Not even to Cream and the Doors. Something like Cream were an awesome band. YOU have NOT RESPONDED either. NOT K-Dawg or King or anyone. People are busy. Alright I will give a gap of 3 days. Maybe people need to absorb 1993. I will NOT continue with Van M and Sly and the FS. I WAIT 3 days. BYEEE

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 04:52am


Mat R,

I'm going to be honest, I sincerely don't understand why Missy Elliott is being unnaturally forced as a first year inductee, I borderline don't even know why she's being nominated at all. No one has really explained why.

Straight out the gate we know she hasn't influenced rock nor is making rock, and that should block all FYE bids. But if we're going to go with the Hall's copout of "rap being the rock successor" or something, I still don't get why she's going in. She's had a string of hits a few years and her entire career these days can be summarized with "Work It" and "Get Ur Freak On", the later laughably shilled in Rolling Stone's best songs a few years ago. Neither of which truly signify a need for inducting, let alone FYE. She doesn't have the absolute monster star power that Jay Z, Eminem or any of the other rap acts who were in first year had that you just can't ignore, compare streaming numbers with any of them and you'll see how she's far behind many times the others. One argument I heard is simply because she's a black female and "there should be more", and not only is that degrading as hell to reduce an artist's credentials to that but even then there's far better options. She wasn't a pioneer (really anyone from the 80s), first breakthrough (Salt-N-Pepa), or most critically regarded (Lauryn Hill) female rapper, all of which would make more sense here.

Seeing the committee having her as the most voted in the nominee poll is so funny when thinking of how forced this nomination is. That's why so many people see the hall as a laughable joke, Bowie and Pink Floyd took 2 nominations to make it but somehow the "Get Ur Freak On" rapper is worthy of being in first year.

Posted by Guest on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 05:50am


Good crop of nominees this time around. Bummed about Jethro Tull not getting a nomination but honestly no one saw a White Stripes nomination coming.

The class I want:

George Michael
Kate Bush
Missy Elliot
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Willie Nelson

What I think the actual class will be

Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Missy Elliot
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon
Willie Nelson

Also thinking that since they're not on the ballot look for possible Influence/ME inductions for MC5s, New York Dolls and Chaka Kahn.

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 09:56am


Ben,

I'll get to 93. I've been very busy with work, so I've had to not be as active here as I've liked. Sorry...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 10:35am


I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

Yes, I'm predicting an all-white class in the Performers category this year. I think that people are way overestimating Missy Elliott's chances this year, I just don't see her as an FYE inductee, She's not as big of a household name in Rap/Hip-Hop as Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z and Eminem (all recent FYE Rap/Hip-Hop inductees) are, so for that reason, I just don't see her as an FYE inductee, I do think that she'll get in sooner rather than later, but I think that it will take her 2-3 tries before she gets in. I think that this will be the first year since 2019 that we won't get a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted that year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 11:08am


Richie

Feels pretty possible sadly that this could be the class but I would note it's not all white. Kim Thayil and Hiro Yamamoto of Soundgarden are Indian and Japanese respectively and would almost double the number of Asian performer inductees in the Hall.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 14:09pm


Mat,
How many Asian performer inductees are there currently?

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 16:09pm


Raichu

Not counting people from or have roots in Eurasia nations (eg. Cat Stevens) and people born in Asia to a non-Asian ethnic group (eg. Hillel Slovak) and only counting 1st generations (so not counting someone who had a grandfather from Iraq and the rest of the family tree is European - this would include the Van Halen brothers whose heritage on their mother's side is a mixed of Dutch and Indonesian) there are from what I can tell at a glance (so not reading detailed bios of every member of The Lovin Spoonful and just sticking to Wikipedia) there are 3: Freddie Mercury (Indian), Kirk Hammett (Filipino), and Jane Wiedlin (Syrian).

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 20:46pm


Ben,

I think that you should take Joy Division/New Order out of your predictions for the 2023 inductees and add Cyndi Lauper in their place, I think you're seriously underestimating Cyndi's chances and overestimating JD/NO's chances, Also, I think you should keep Kate Bush as Musical Excellence, I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, so I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here, Anyway, I think you should swap JD/NO out for Cyndi and keep Kate Bush as Musical Excellence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/11/2023 @ 13:16pm


So I decided to try and predict who would most likely be nominated in the next couple of years, and the way I did this is that I went through the most recent incarnations of Rolling Stone's 500 Songs and Albums lists, the 200 Greatest Rap Albums list, and the 200 Greatest Singers lists, then I looked at all the big names that weren't in and the names that aren't eligible ye (not counting the few who were just nominated), put them in a spreadsheet, then counted the times they all showed up in the lists. Here's the artists who had the most appearances ranging from 3 to 6 (the results may surprise you):

6 appearances: Fiona Apple and OutKast

5 appearances: D'Angelo

4 appearances: Big Star, Erykah Badu, PJ Harvey, Mary J. Blige, Pavement, Sade, The Smiths and Usher

3 appearances: Aaliyah, Daft Punk, Bjork, Iggy Pop, Britney Spears, Rufus/Chaka Khan, De La Soul, Dr Dre, Diana Ross, Eric B. and Rakim, Hole, Ice Cube, Jeff Buckley, John Coltrane, Loretta Lynn, Mariah Carey, Lucinda Williams, Merle Haggard, Luther Vandross, Oasis, Patsy Cline, Pixies, Selena, Sonic Youth, Tom Petty (solo), TLC, and The Replacements

As for the non-eligibles, we have:


8: Kanye West, tho I'm 100% sure that will change in the future.

6: Beyonce

5: Drake and Taylor Swift


4: Frank Ocean and Kendrick Lamar

3: Adele, Billie Eilish, Lady Gaga, Alicia Keys, Amy Winehouse, Lana Del Rey, Lil Wayne, Rihanna, The Weeknd, and The Yeah Yeah Yeahs

Does this actually mean anything? Probably not. Was it interesting to see the results? Yes, yes it was.

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/11/2023 @ 14:56pm


Small Update: So, after looking through the 200 Rap Albums list a bit more, the following artists have now joined some of the lists:
The Roots are now in the 3 appearances section for current eligible artists.
Lil Wayne is in now in the 4 appearances section for non-eligible artists.

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/11/2023 @ 15:23pm


I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/11/2023 @ 19:42pm


Anyone have thoughts on the results I found?

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 02/12/2023 @ 08:28am


My picks
1. Kate Bush
2. Joy Division/New Order
3. Warren Zevon
4. White Stripes
5. Willie Nelson
One black has to be inducted so I'll go with The Spinners (I hate rap)
Ahmet Ertugun Award Wolfman Jack
Early Influences Big Mama Thornton and W. C. Handy

Posted by Eric P on Sunday, 02/12/2023 @ 14:19pm


Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

What are your favorite songs of all-time?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/12/2023 @ 14:25pm


Sorry, meant to say black act

Posted by Eric P on Sunday, 02/12/2023 @ 19:22pm


WANT RATING
ABSOLUTELY: The White Stripes, Iron Maiden, Warren Zevon, Sheryl Crow, Soundgarden, Joy Division/New Order
VERY: Willie Nelson, The Spinners
SOMEWHAT: Rage Against the Machine
UNSURE: Kate Bush, George Michael
NO: Cyndi Lauper
ABSOLUTELY NOT: Missy Elliott, A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 02/13/2023 @ 03:38am


Alright. Let me at least finish the 1993 Class salute. I do this whether anyone is able to respond or Not. NO worries, When richie said old inductees he didn't really have this in mind, Ok Next inductee

Van Morrison

He is also one of my favorite artists of all time. He was born and raised in Ireland. There is only a few Irish acts actually in the Hall. He first became a sensation with the group Them in 1965. But after that was strictly solo.
His solo career began in 1967 with the release of the hit single "Brown Eyed Girl". he had a manager Bert Berns but he died as he was starting. Warner Bros. Records bought out Morrison's contract and allowed him three sessions to record Astral Weeks (1968).While initially a selling badly the album has become regarded as a classic. Moondance (1970) established Morrison as a major artist, and he built on his reputation throughout the 1970s with a series of acclaimed albums and live performances. I like sooo many of his 1970s albums. Some of my favs are Moondance, Tupelo Honey, Saint Dominic's Preview, Hard Nose the Highway. Those are all very good.
Much of Van's music is structured around the conventions of soul music and early rhythm and blues. An equal part of his catalogue consists of lengthy, spiritually inspired musical journeys that show the influence of Celtic tradition, jazz and deep words. The two strains together are sometimes referred to as "Celtic soul". His live performances have been described as "transcendental" and "inspired"and his music is considered relaxing.

Morrison's albums have performed well in Ireland and the UK, with more than 40 reaching the UK top 40. He has scored top ten albums in the UK in four consecutive decades, altogether at this point. Eighteen of his albums have reached the top 40 in the United States. I like his 1970s albums the best. But I also like Avalon Sunset(1989) somewhat. Liv e in San Francisco is also very good. That was released in the early 90s.
Van Morrison was inducted into the RNR Hall of Fame in 1993. He was inducted by Robbie Robertson of the Band. I was happy with this inductee. Alright One more left for actual Performer category. Stay tuned.

In the meantime I'll mention the Ahmet Ertegun award. It went to Dick CLARK in 1993. So if anyone suggests him he is inducted already. He was the s the legendary host of American Bandstand, Dick Clark gave rock bands national exposure, stood up against censorship and spread the word of Rock n Roll.

Early Influence- Dinah Washington
She was a great singer in the 1940s and 50s I think. She is one of the earliest R&B performers ever.

Ok. Stay tuned for Sly & the Family Stone. They are the last of the Performer category to cover, I'll end with Sly. Hear from everyone. MAYBE

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/13/2023 @ 04:00am


Richie,

My favorite album is Tori Amos' "Little Earthquakes"
My favorite song is Don Henley's "The Boys of Summer"

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 02/13/2023 @ 14:57pm


Alright Ive made it to the last 1993 Inductee. NO responses so far. NO worries. I reminisced just before richie suggested going to the old Classes.
If anyone does notice my posts on this class. They will Now know NOT to predict these. These are the Inductees of 1993. I did Not watch the ceremonies yet in 1993. I heard a lot of highlights on the NY Rock station in early 1993. I do know it took place Jan 12, 1993. I have NO idea what the order of performances was. Ok here is the last inductee

Sly and the Family Stone
The beginning was hopeful in 1967— And for the rest of the decade the mood was uniquely up: "Dance to the Music," the single and album,
offered unprecedented energy and optimism. Hits like
" Everyday People" " S tand!" and "Hot Fun in the
Summertime" were soulful. Positive. Ambitious. Tolerant.
"Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks" was Sly's true philosophy. And they rocked like nothing else.
Formed in 1967 their music synthesized a variety of disparate musical genres to help pioneer the emerging "psychedelic soul" sound. They released a series of Top 10 hits such as "Dance to the Music" (1968), "Everyday People" (1968), and "Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)" (1969), as well as critically acclaimed albums such as Stand! (1969), which combined pop sensibility with social commentary. In the 1970s, it transitioned into a darker and less commercial funk sound on releases such as There's a Riot Goin' On (1971) and Fresh (1973), proving as influential as their early work. By 1975, drug problems and interpersonal clashes led to dissolution, though Sly continued to record and tour with a new rotating lineup under the name "Sly and the Family Stone" until drug problems forced his effective retirement in 1987. Yeah drugs can do that. A lot of drug use went on with Sly in the 70s.
The work of Sly and the Family Stone greatly influenced the sound of subsequent American funk, pop, soul, and R&B. George Clinton inducted Sly and the Family Stone in Jan. 1993.

Alright this finishes up the 1993 Class for Rock and Roll HOF. Some of my fav artists are in this class. Those are the Doors, Cream, CCR, Van Morrison as well as Sly and the Family Stone. I had never really heard of Frankie Lymon until this ceremony. Even in 1993 I knew Etta James but mainly the name. I learned about her music from this ceremony.
I do NOT have any idea who headlined the 1993 ceremony. I vaguely recall the DOORS may have. I have some good memory Eddie Vedder sang in replace of Jim Morrison I know that. Eddie V is wild a bit like Jim. I am recalling the DOORS headlined. And I love the Doors!
Ok thats it. Lets go time for Responses to 1993 class! Or its Ok I'll move on
RESPOND

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/14/2023 @ 05:38am


Too long clanky too long

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 02/14/2023 @ 15:34pm


Garrus,

You saying a post is too long is very ironic

My favorite album of all time is "Hysteria" by Def Leppard
My favorite song, too numerous to list overall, but to split by genre. If I take a rock song, it's "Happy" by Mudvayne right now, which does change, and my favorite rap song is pretty much constantly "Nuthin But a G Thang" by Dre and Snoop

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/14/2023 @ 15:57pm


K-Dawg,

I seem to have the longest posts in recent days. Garrus may mean Me. Ironic He says too long clanky Too long. What is clanky? Isnt that some kind of Mechanical problem.
Yeah I was reviewing the 1993 acts. I cant believe its 30 years I follow this. I paid attention in early 93 cause of Late 1960s acts. This was still the early days. Nobody including me saw any problems arrising. Who knew? Respond. This is the best chance I have at a response to 1993. I'm ready to drop this 1993 idea in a few days

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/14/2023 @ 16:59pm


BEN
I noticed your 1993 RRHOF Ceremony post here. 1993 I was a younger KING. Don't remember listening to or watching the ceremony. It's a very strong class. CCR and the legendary John Fogerty singing and playing guitar. I'm blown away by John Fogerty's talent as a singer and guitarist. He's incredible 1 of my FAVS. I think he should be inducted as a solo artist too. I think John Fogerty is in his late 70's now. He looks in fantastic shape . Proud Mary is a great song. My FAV CCR song might be Bad Moon Rising. It's a shame how all that went down with Fogerty and the rest of the band. Remember watching the 1993 RRHOF Ceremony. It didn't look very comfortable on stage. I remembering finding an old CCR tape discarded on the street while riding my bike. It caught my eye and I played it on my cassette tape recorder. My Sister also enjoyed their music CCR and the tape.
On The Doors, Jim Morrison burned brightly and quickly joining the 27 Club. Morrison still remains a mysterious and polarizing music artist. There are music fans that worship him like a God and others who didn't like him. Light My Fire still holds up today as a legendary song. I'm a big fan of L.A. Woman and The End. Great songs. They had a white hot peak but definitely deserving of RRHOF. I think the entire band is underrated if that's possible. It's difficulty losing a legendary singer. The Doors continued for a few years after Morrison died. AC/DC and Alice In Chains continued to be popular and succeed after losing their singers tragically. INXS had a more difficult time. Soundgarden in a similar position losing Chris Cornell. I was surprised how much I enjoyed The Doors movie. Val Kilmer looked very much like Jim Morrison. It was striking.
I think Sly & The Family Stone was extremely talented. Late 1960's and early 1970's, they were as good as it gets musically. Everyday People is a song most people remember. It's a shame that there were some drug use going on and stuff but many groups were using drugs in the 1970's. He could play many different instruments. Very deserving all 3 bands for RRHOF. I guess they the RRHOF could have waited a few years on their induction but why wait I suppose.
KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 02/14/2023 @ 20:36pm


KING,

Awesome that you responded. You were a member of the site when I did that whole retrospect of 1995-2019. On The Doors, Jim Morrison burned brightly and quickly joined that 27 Club. Jim still remains a mysterious and polarizing music artist as you say There are music fans that worship him like a God and others who didn't like him. I have had friends for both. Light My Fire still holds up today as a legendary Classic. I'm a big fan of the End, Unknown Soldier and the Soft Parade. continued for a few years after Jim died. My favorite albums of the Doors are the Doors first, the Soft Parade and Morrison Hotel. I heard Full Circle once, I bought and read the book Noone Here gets Out Alive. INXS had a difficult time after Michael H. Soundgarden in a similar position losing Chris Cornell. I was very pleased with The Doors movie. Val Kilmer looked very much like Jim Morrison I agree. It was striking.
I too think Sly & The Family Stone was extremely talented. Late 1960's and early 1970's, they were as good as it gets musically. And they played at Woodstock. Everyday People is a song very memorable and also Thank You For Lettinmebemyself. It's a shame that there were some drug use going on and stuff but many groups were using drugs in the 1970's. Hell yes they were.
In that class there was also Frankie Lymon and those Teenagers and Etta James. I am No doo wop fan. Leftover 50s acts was very common then. Leftovers They couldnt get to 1986,87. You can trace future problems to indulgences in the 1950s. This was a small problem that held back Jeff Beck, Chicago and the Moody Blues. Alll the acts were necessary for 1993. So it could have made larger. Then Jeff Beck or Moody Blues could have been fit in for 1993 or 94. Hey water under the bridge. I respect the F Lymon and Teenagers and Etta James inductions. This is why there is leftover acts every year. But in the same way I respect Frankie L without liking him There are many who respect the Moody Blues and Roxy Music in recent classes. Alright there is response, Ok K-Dawg I cant wait for you!

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/15/2023 @ 03:02am


I'll have a few thoughts later today, Ben. I will say, the Doors have always fascinated me, as a band that met its end much too soon, and has a haunting, enduring legacy, not unlike his 27 club co-members Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin to me. It was a horrific fad going on to die young in 1970.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/15/2023 @ 10:14am


K-Dawg,

That's awesome and cool getting your reviews of 1993 going. I love the Doors. You will probably review Cream, maybe Van Morrison and Sly and Family Stone. I loook forward to it

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/15/2023 @ 16:15pm


K-Dawg,

I have never known about Frankie L and the Teenagers. Me and my wife both call doo wop kinda fuddy duddy. I always like that word. Etta James is saved for me by being Blues with a touch of Jazz. Again I respect all the 50s inductees of 1993. But Cream, CCR and the DOORs makes it awesome. Also Van the Man Morrison. Even the most rebellious hippies loved Van Morrison. I think the Doors headlined. I haven't googled. I know Eddie Vedder sang for Jim M. Ok Coool I'll wait for ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/16/2023 @ 04:37am


Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

What's your favorite decade of music (1950's, 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, 2000's, 2010's or 2020's)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/16/2023 @ 19:58pm


Richie, I've gotta hand it to you. You asked an excellent question right there. Personally, I prefer music from the '60s, '70s, '80s & '90s, with an occasional splash of the 2000s. Some of the post 2000s music is good, but it doesn't resonate with me as much as the music of yesteryear. I can't relate to some of today's music.

Posted by Johnny on Thursday, 02/16/2023 @ 23:00pm


richie,

This is much more in line with what you had in mind for NON rock hall stuff.
I will go by era for some favorites

1960s: The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, the Doors The Moody Blues
1970s: The Who, Neil Young, Eric Clapton, Yes, Grateful Dead
1980s: Journey, Def Leppard, Prince, the Cars
1990s: Weezer, Pearl Jam, Dave Matthews Band, Shawn Colvin
2000s: White Stripes

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 03:47am


My preference overall would be 90s in terms of all genres, but I listen to stuff all the way from the 1940s to 2023 and will continue to.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 05:09am


I think Burt Bacharach may be inducted this year with special category as he passed away recently. He may be one of the most important songwriters all time.

Other candidates of special category may include Joe Tex, MC5, New York Dolls, Gram Parsons and so forth.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 07:45am


Richie,

That's a tough question because I tend to like music from all eras. If I was forced to choose, I'd probably pick the 80s because that's when I really started to love music and expand my musical horizons. They the music you hear when you are 14 will always be your favorite and I was 14 in 1982-1983. But in general it just depends on my mood. Sometimes I want to hear Fats Domino and sometimes I want to hear Wet Leg.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 10:10am


KING FAV 1990's Albums
1. Queensryche-Empire
2. Counting Crows-August And Everything After
3. Soundgarden-SuperUnknown
4. Nirvana-Nevermind
5. Matchbox 20-Yourself Or Someone Like You.
6. Pearl Jam-10
7. Oasis-What's The Story Morning Glory?
8. Cinderella-Heartbreak Station
9. Handsome-Handsome
10. Counting Crows-Recovering The Satellites

I think 1980's would be the music since these were the years I was old enough to listen to music. Bryan Adams, Def Leppard, LA Guns, Scorpions, U2 all KING FAVS. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 13:51pm


I would say the 1980's would be my FAV decade as there were so many big time artists and great songs at 1 time. Billy Idol, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Bryan Adams, Def Leppard, Duran Duran, Elton John, INXS, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, The Bangles, Tina Turner, Van Halen, U2 etc. Most are in the RRHOF. Also, the 1980's was when MTV showcased many amazing videos that made many new artists. It also was a quieter time before the increase of media and cell phones and Internet. Groups like Duran Duran made videos an art form filming in exotic locals like Sri Lanka. I gravitated to the harder rock and metal acts. Bryan Adams, Def Leppard, U2 were probably my Top 3 and they're still going strong. KING has a good eye and ear for longevity and talent. Great Topic!
KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 14:03pm


I just want to give a shout out to Def Leppard as they were my 1st FAV band. Started listening to music in 1982 & 1983 and Pyromania is still my FAV ALBUM of all-time. Every song could have been a smash hit. Foolin' Photograph, Rock Of Ages, Too Late For Love etc. I was immediately drawn to their guitar work and music. I also like the Union Jack they used to have. They appear to be good people. Def Leppard was at the top of their game when Rick Allen the drummer had his accident and lost his arm. I always admired Def Leppard that they kept Rick Allen in the band. There must have been pressure to add another drummer and continue the great hard rock metal sound. They adapted their sound and Rick Allen had to learn the special drum kit they had designed. He was their friend and their mate. Hysteria was a brilliant creation and sold millions of albums. Animal might be my FAV song and the amazing song Hysteria. Losing great guitarist Steve Clark was another blow to the band. Most bands would have broken underneath the weight of these tragic circumstances. Def Leppard just gained strength and continued to forge ahead. I was very excited to see Def Leppard inducted into the RRHOF. They were plenty deserving.
KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 14:21pm


And as for me
I would say the 1970s would be my FAV decade as there were so many big artists and great albums. David Bowie Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Yes, the Moody Blues, The WHO, Grateful Dead, Elton John, James Taylor, Cat Stevens, Earth, Wind & Fire, Jethro Tull and Bill Withers
There is so many in the 70s.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 17:15pm


I will chat about 2 Favorite bands of all time. My 1st FAV band was the Beatles. Yep John, Paul, George and Ringo. The first Beatles album I bought was Meet the Beatles. With alll those early songs. It has I Wanna Hold Your Hand, I Saw her standing There, This Boy, etc. Soon after I bought 1962-1966. Eight Days a Week, Ticket to Ride, Yesterday, Help. You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, We Can Work it Out. Day Tripper, etc. But my favorite Beatles album ever is Revolver. Revolver is great.
The Beatles recorded Revolver after taking a three-month break at the start of 1966, and during a period when London was the hot spot. Regarded by some commentators as the start of the group's psychedelic period, the songs reflect their interest in the drug LSD, Eastern philosophy and the avant-garde while addressing themes such as death and transcendence of material concerns. With no plans to reproduce their new material in concert, the band made liberal use of automatic double tracking, varispeed, reversed tapes, close audio miking, and instruments outside of their standard live set-up. Among its tracks are "Eleanor Rigby", a song about loneliness featuring a string octet as its only musical assistance. I'm Only Sleeping, Love You Too are great too. "Tomorrow Never Knows", incorporating heavy Indian drone and a collage of tape loops is Mind blowing. Every song is great.
Revolver expanded the boundaries of pop music, revolutionised standard practices in studio recording, advanced principles spread by the 1960s counterculture, and inspired the development of psychedelic rock, and later on progressive rock The album cover, designed by Klaus Voormann, is ingenius, Revolver has surpassed Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band in many critics' estimation as the Beatles' best album. It was ranked first in many music books.
I consider this album Revolver my favorite instead of Sgt Pepper because Revolver led to Sgt Pepper. Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club.Band is also magnificent. Released in 1967 Sgt Pepper officially ushered in the Psychedelic Era. Sgt Pepper theme, Help from my Friends, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, Getting Better and the rest are great. And most of you also know Magical Mystery Tour album and so on and so on. I dont think anyone has mentioned the Beatles too much, Heyy my first FAV band, BUT not my all time overalll. I will cover my FAV band of all time NEXT. Also huge British band. STAY tuned

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/18/2023 @ 03:15am


My Actual favorite band is the Who. Certainly a key British Rock band. Their great music goes back to the 1960s. The Who developed from an earlier group, the Detours, and established themselves as part of the pop art and mod movements, featuring revolutionary art by destroying guitars and drums on stage. Their first single as the Who, "I Can't Explain" (1965), reached the UK top ten, and was followed by a string of hit singles including "My Generation" (1965), "Substitute" (1966) and "Happy Jack" (1966). In 1967, they performed at the Monterey Pop Festival and released "I Can See for Miles", one of their few top 10 hits It could be the only Top 10 hit. The group's 1969 concept album Tommy included the single "Pinball Wizard" and was a critical and commercial success.. Tommy needs to be known as a whole album entity.
Further festival appearances at Woodstock and the Isle of Wight, along with the concert album Live at Leeds (1970), established their reputation as a respected rock act. The success put pressure on lead songwriter Townshend, and the follow-up to Tommy, Lifehouse, was abandoned. Songs from the project made up Who's Next (1971), Its another favorite album of mine including the hits "Won't Get Fooled Again", "Baba O'Riley", and "Behind Blue Eyes". The group released another concept album, Quadrophenia (1973), as a celebration of their mod roots, and became another huge success. This is MY FAV album of all time. The Who by Numbers is an underrated fav of mine. Its a great album in the face of personal problems. They continued to tour to large audiences before semi-retiring from live performances at the end of 1976. Unfortunately, the release of Who Are You (1978) was overshadowed by Moon's death shortly after.
Kenny Jones replaced Keith M as drummer. The Who did officially split up in 1983. But clearly that didn't last when they re formed for live appearances like Live Aid and a terrific 25th Anniversary tour in 1989. I saw the Who during 1989 tour. The WHO is my FAVORITE band. Please respond everybody

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 04:42am


Ben, you're goddamn annoying!

Posted by A Non E. Muss on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 05:26am


I just want to add I saw the Who 4 times. Not bad for somebody who has been short on money at times in the past. I should have seen the Who at the 1982 tour but Tickets were scalped by a friend to someone else. Held a grudge on friend. I saw the Who at Meadowlands NEW Jersey 1989. Also Twice in the 1990s and in 2000 exactly at Jones Beach NY. Stopped seeing the Who after John E died. BUT certainly my favorite band. I own all the Who material up to early 2000s. Thats about 40 years of the Who music

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 05:31am


A Non E. Muss,
Wat? I'm annoying! Well in that case since I'm flexible and positive I shut this down Now. Maybe this is a joke or maybe whom ever this is is annoyed by me. Welll I shut this down NOW. I was doing this good idea of richie. I willl disappear for awhile. I come in peace. Thats it for me! Huge recess. For a long while Byeee

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 05:38am


Ben,

You're not annoying, No way, You're a good friend to this site and a great friend to me on here for many years now, You're not annoying in every sense of the word, Please reconsider and come back to this site and do the 2020, 2021 and 2022 classes, Please reconsider coming back on here. Thanks and Have a great day....

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 09:33am


Ben,

You are not annoying at all. Don't listen to what the one hit wonder moron has to complain. He's sad because his knowledge of music is probably extremely limited...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 17:30pm


2023 nominee should be my girl Angela Bofill, please contact Angela Bofill at the live at Nite.Com at Manager Rich Engel at address 118 Oakland Road,Maplewood N.J. 07040 call 1-973-670-5498. Sincerely legends, I want Angela Bofill nominated for her song too tough. Also want Angela Bofill to win it all , this year of 2023. So please contact asap. For nomination 2023.

Posted by Ben gameza on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 18:48pm


And the 2023 legends hall winner is angel bofill. For her song performance Too Tough, Angela Bofill this is your year, now to shine. Legends please contact Angela Bofill Manager at Rich Engel Live at Nite,Com . Phone 1-973-670-5498, let's make, Angela Bofill a 2023 winner. Put her hit Song Too Tough, in the history books, at legends hall asap. Sincerely get her nominated.

Posted by Kim smith on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 19:02pm


I see everybody else on the 2023 nomination list. But not Angela Bofill, Come On Legends hall, Contact Angela Bofill. Manager Rich Engel at Live at Nite. Com , make that call 1-973-670-5498, Email her at http://www.Angela Bofill.Com , Angela Bofill song too tough is 2023 winner, She had a lot of fans , that had sent nomination emails, Since last year of 2022. Legends did you count them at all, COME ON ANGELA BOFILL HAD WON THE NOMINATION FOR 2023. I WANT TO SEE ANGELA BOFILL NAME ON THE 2023 LIST WITH , MISSY ELLIOT, CYNDI LAUPE ,TRIBE CALLED QUEST, AND GEORGE MICHAELS. SINCERELY LEGENDS, ANGELA BOFILL IS TOO TOUGH. TONOT BE A WINNER HERE.

Posted by Gracie Smith on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 19:20pm


So..the Doors. I will admit, I don't know a whole lot about them during their active days. Jim Morrison was an early 2 Live Crew, Tupac, a rebel fighting a cause against censorship decades before you would dream about hearing lyrics that are taken for granted today. Dropping an F bomb at a concert got you hauled off to the "pokey" quicker than you could blink. In the era of Make Love Not War, he wanted a form of both, but nonviolently. The songs by the Doors, with Morrison, Ray Manzanarek, Robbie Krieger and John Densmore are almost instantly recognizable. You have the riffs, the eerie keyboards, the unmistakable percussion. Even before you get to Morrison's haunting vocals, you know the Doors songs. Light My Fire is to me, the sound of the 60s that makes you think of times gone by. Lyrics that are very explosive, yet it seems people don't listen to them. So many notable songs...Break on Through, LA Woman, The End, Riders on the Storm, People Are Strange, Alabama Getaway (Whiskey Bar), Crystal Ship, Soul Kitchen...and that just scratches the surface of their all too brief foray into psychedelic antiestablishment rock. Once Jim Morrison died of his overdose, something was lost. 1970 signaled the end of the Woodstock/Flower Power times. The trinity of Jimi, Janis and Jim took us into the heavier times of the 70s and the beginning of recession, inflation, and the advent of guitar rock, heavy metal's infancy, soul/funk, disco, and the very beginnings of the roots of rap. In the next decade, this last would become the voice of rebellion as a new generation struggled to find its voice, but Jim Morrison, like his peers, started the ball rolling that the days of rock and roll only being symbollic of change transformed into real change.The Lizard King is so influential, that despiet his short career, there is no one who doubts his band's place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Ben, come back!

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/20/2023 @ 01:28am


What happened to the board?

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/20/2023 @ 21:56pm


K-Dawg,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Warren Zevon

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

regarding your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again), I agree with you on Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson and Warren Zevon, but you're missing two very important things here: You're missing a POC choice and some 90's acts, I think that you should take out Joy Division/New Order and The White Stripes out of your predictions and add Sheryl Crow and Soundgarden in their place, and switch Kate Bush and The Spinners around (move Kate to Musical Excellence and The Spinners to the Performers category just to get a POC choice in the Performers category this year).

I think you're way overestimating Kate Bush's chances of induction as a Performer this year, I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

I also think you're way overestimating Joy Division/New Order's chances this year as well, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYN if The Cure, The Replacements, Nine Inch Nails, The Smiths, Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, Eurythmics and Radiohead couldn't, The 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that seem to be getting in in recent years are the ones that had major mainstream commercial success and are major populist (household names) from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era like The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics (and before that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, Blondie and R.E.M.), while The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo have all failed to get voted in, JD/NO is more closer to The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo group than the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had more commercial success and name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, JD/NO (like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush, Devo, Pixies and Sonic Youth) just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club did, so I see them (JD/NO) struggling to get voted in just like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth), I think that they're gonna be more like Kate Bush, Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth) and take multiple nominations to get voted in.

As much as I love The White Stripes, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYE especially if Radiohead couldn't back in 2018, so I think that they will get the Radiohead treatment and I think that they will wait a year just like Radiohead and they will get in next year in 2024 on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did back in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/20/2023 @ 23:01pm


The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 02/21/2023 @ 00:39am


Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

What are your favorite Halls of Fame besides the Rock Hall (National Baseball Hall of Fame, Pro Football Hall of Fame, Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, National Soccer Hall of Fame, International Tennis Hall of Fame, Canadian Music Hall of Fame, Songwriters Hall of Fame or Country Music Hall of Fame)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/21/2023 @ 09:10am


Premiering Sunday, Feb.26 on Road To Jamnation Ep. 14: I discuss the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame & present the first half of interview with HOF Nominating committee member Alan Light. Exclusively on Spotify at 10AM PST (1PM EST). Search for: Road To Jamnation
Promo video:
https://youtu.be/CbfNYai6ra0

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 02/21/2023 @ 22:49pm


Pro Football Hall of Fame
WWE Hall of Fame
Video Game Hall of Fame

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/22/2023 @ 11:58am


Pro Football Hall of Fame
WWE Hall of Fame
National Baseball Hall of Fame

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/22/2023 @ 13:37pm


Hey guys

Hope y'all are well. Richie hope you're family is doing ok. Been away on a trip.

Anything new

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/22/2023 @ 18:13pm


Mat R,

I'm doing okay, My family's okay as we're gonna be, Glad to see you back on here, I sure missed you while yo were away, Anyway, What are your favorite Halls of Fame besides the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/22/2023 @ 18:46pm


Richie

Not really a hall of fame but I find the honorary academy awards quite interesting. Like they have a weirdly negative rep for being consolation prizes for people who never won one but that really isn't the case with them when you actually like look into them. They're also incredibly unpredictable unlike say most similar honours.

Beyond that the hockey hall of fame is one I watch a lot. I know baseball is the gold standard but hockey really seems like the most exclusive of any of the halls of fame. Like the fact guys like goalies Tom barrasso and Chris Osgood or skaters like Alex mogilny and Jeremy roenick aren't in really tells you the caliber of who they want in there.

Lastly I find the WWE hall of fame fascinating cause it is quite openly about money and how one or two guys feel about people. They're also maybe the most diverse hall of fame by design and that's nice.

Is Ozzy the lone rock n roll and WWE hall of famer?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/22/2023 @ 21:34pm


Ok Everyone. I'm back. I was just slightly shocking to hear or Read I'm annoying. I think I came across as some "annoying" baby boomer perhaps with my longer posts on the Beatles and the Who. Those are 2 of my favorite acts of all time. I was doing the same as King. But with 2 of my favorites. Ok We move on.
I will skip ahead to the 1980s. My fav band of the 80s may be Journey.
Journey had their biggest commercial success between 1978 and 1987, when Steve Perry was lead vocalist; they released a series of hits, including "Don't Stop Believin'" (1981), and also Who's Cryin Now. Escape, Journey's seventh and most successful album, reached number one on the Billboard 200 and yielded another of their most popular hits , "Open Arms". The 1983 follow-up album, Frontiers, was almost as successful in the United States, reaching number two and spawning several successful singles; I like these 2 albums a lot. Ive owned them. I was very excited when Journey was inducted into the Rock and Roll HOF.
Ok I am back!

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 04:22am


Ben, you are not annoying. Like reading your opinions.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 05:32am


Hey what can I say I've been here at this site for 8 years. I want going to stay away too long. NOT everyone will like my Long reviews of the 1960s and 70s band. I love Journey,Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and Blondie almost as much And many other acts that are kinda Modern. Some 1990s too

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 12:11pm


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

If 7: Missy Elliott or The White Stripes

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

I think that people are way overestimating Kate Bush's chances of induction as a Performer this year, I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

I think that people are way overestimating Joy Division/New Order's chances this year as well, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYN if The Cure, The Replacements, Nine Inch Nails, The Smiths, Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, Eurythmics, Radiohead and Devo couldn't, The 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that seem to be getting into the Rock Hall in recent years are the ones that have had major mainstream commercial success and are big major populist (household names) from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era like The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics (and before that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie and R.E.M.), while The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo have all failed to get voted in, JD/NO are more closer to The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo group than the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club are more closer to the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group than the JD/NO/The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo/Pixies/Sonic Youth group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, JD/NO (like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush, Devo, Pixies and Sonic Youth) just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club did, so I see them (JD/NO) struggling to get voted in just like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth as well), I think that they're gonna be more like Kate Bush, Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth as well) and take multiple nominations to get voted in.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 13:11pm


One more person's thoughts on the 2023 nominees:

KATE BUSH: Probably not. The Hall doesn't recognize many acts that weren't popular in the States, so I would guess that 2023 will be another unsuccessful nomination for Kate Bush.
SHERYL CROW: A good chance. A lot of name recognition, and she has appeared at several recent ceremonies (and inducted Fleetwood Mac). She's probably in.
MISSY ELLIOTT: The Hall has obviously inducted rap and hip-hop acts--but they've been a lot more well-known than Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott. My guess is no.
IRON MAIDEN: An outside chance; two hard rock acts (Foo Fighters and Judas Priest) were recently inducted--and with all of their (living) members presumably voting, they may get in.
CYNDI LAUPER: Welcome to Cleveland.
GEORGE MICHAEL: The Hall hasn't inducted any deceased performers in the last two years, but that's the only reason I can think of for him not being inducted. I think he's in.
JOY DIVISION + NEW ORDER: Maybe, if they don't split the vote with Warren Zevon. If they do, I think Zevon has it.
WILLIE NELSON: Dolly Parton got in last year even after she asked to have her nomination pulled. I think that says all we need to know about the Hall's willingness to consider country acts.
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE: I would imagine influence helps--influence such as having Tom Morello on the nominating committee. I would imagine they have a better-than-average chance, perhaps if there are six or seven inductees this year.
SOUNDGARDEN: Might do well for the same reason that Iron Maiden might do well--more hard-rock voters--but if the vote is split, I think it will go to Iron Maiden.
THE SPINNERS: Arguably the most deserving act on this nomination list; unfortunately, they were arguably the most deserving act the several prior times they were nominated. May have been forgotten, tragically. Maybe set up for an early influence or musical excellence.
A TRIBE CALLED QUEST: Like Missy Elliott, obscure (to non-rap fans or non-music fans) rap acts do not have a good track record for induction. Probably not.
THE WHITE STRIPES: A lot of appeal among fans--particularly sports fans--but probably not with real voters.
WARREN ZEVON: As with George Michael, no deceased performers have been inducted in the last two years, but as with George Michael, we may very well see two exceptions this year.

My SWAG (Scientific Wild-Assed Guess) as to the final inductees: Sheryl Crow, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon; if six Iron Maiden or Soundgarden, if seven Joy Division + New Order.

Posted by Joe S. on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 15:09pm


Additional thoughts on the nominees:

Both Cyndi Lauper & George Michael would split the overall voting & I could only see one of them inducted this year. That would definitely go to Lauper since she's leading the fan ballot.

Initially I thought the White Stripes would have to wait a few more years since there's a lot of backlog need to be corrected but the Hall wants more inclusiveness for both induction & ceremony so i could see them as voted in.

I picked Sheryl Crow as one of the 6 acts to be inducted but it may not happen this year so give her one more nomination by next year.

Rage Against the Machine & Soundgarden would both split the voting, if one or both of them don't get voted in then put these bands under Musical Excellence but not in the same year especially RATM since it's their 5th nomination.

Joy Division/New Order doesn't have any competition from anyone this year & given the fact it took Depeche Mode & The Cure 13 - 15 years, it might as well be their time since they're still active & it's been around 20 years since they're first eligible.

Iron Maiden: See RATM & Soundgarden.

Warren Zevon would definitely become an FYN inductee since he also doesn't have any competition.

The Spinners would be one of those sure things not to get inducted as performers since we're at the time when the 80's & 90's are taking over the election process. Next year or two, they'll be Early Influence picks.

Missy Elliott & Willie Nelson are the only locks for induction this year.

Kate Bush would either go in either performer or Musical Excellence & this will be her year no matter what.

A Tribe Called Quest might go through the same route as LL Cool J to be honored so I'll happen in the few years.

So I changed my predictions a little for who will be inducted this year based on my statements above.

Missy Elliott
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:
Kate Bush
Rage Against the Machine
Chaka Khan

Early Influence:
New York Dolls
John Coltrane
Big Mama Thornton

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Haven't thought of one, will come back to ponder.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 19:55pm


I don't think Rage will be Musical Excellence. Too huge of a name and would be the slap in the face towards Tom and his hard work for the Hall. Just no way. Have they exhausted their chances? Yes. But really no way can I see Rage get the side door. And this isn't my inner fanboy talking.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 20:15pm


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

If 7: Missy Elliott or The White Stripes

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 20:18pm


BEN
Glad that you are back. Don't let the bastards grind you down. Some try to bully and get a cheap thrill or rise out of the person posting. Trolling they call it. People know your importance here. On Journey, I think my FAV song is Wheel In The Sky. It's a great and powerful song. Bringing in Steve Perry into the band as lead singer...It just was the perfect final piece propelling Journey into Super Stardom. Other KING FAVS include: Don't Stop Believing, Separate Ways, Who's Crying Now, etc. Journey unfortunately fell victim, like many 80's bands, writing some softer ballads to reach an even wider music audience. Also, for radio play and add a few more hits. I like when bands stay on a harder rock or metal sound. I enjoyed Steve Perry's song Oh Sherrie back in the day. It would be around 40 years old now. Amazing how time flies. I think Journey and a few popular artists were inducted for big hits and some great platinum album and signature songs. It also helped Journey has some outstanding and respected musicians. Steve Perry Vocalist. One of the best singers on a mic. Neal Schon rocking that guitar and some incredible solos. Johnathan Cain also respected on the keyboards. I think Journey was deserving RRHOF. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 20:48pm


White stripes got a big endorsement yesterday. Kinda of the opposite of Missy.

Might be safe to say they're the critics pick, over bush and jd/no, as pitchfork and fantano have also given them the nod.

https://www.spin.com/2023/02/greatest-two-person-bands/

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 22:10pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
EARLY INFLUENCE
Sugarhill Gang
NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 22:34pm


Mat R,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

I have to agree with you 100% on The White Stripes, I think they're gonna be the critics pick this year over Kate Bush and Joy Division/New Order, as well as they should be, because I feel they're the last shoo-in FYE act to get in FYE until Beyonce becomes eligible in 2028, plus they have had more commercial success and name recognition in America than Kate and JD/NO, plus Jack White is so beloved in the industry and is a modern Guitar God, so I see them getting in this year if there are 7 inductees again, as well as they should.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 22:53pm


King,

It didnt take me long to realize that trolling was going on. And so I'm back. Just so you know it would have been about 1 month away. NOT forever. But You guys miss my comments. On Journey I think my fav song is Who's Cryin Now. Other Ben favs are Don't Stop Believin, Wheel in the Sky, Chain Reaction, After the Fall. Yeah I like the Steve Perry solo hit Oh Sherrie. It was a huge hit in 1984. I was 19 years old. Time does indeed fly. I think Journey and a few popular artists were inducted for big hits and some great platinum album and anthems, It also helped Journey has some outstanding and respected musicians like Steve Perry on vocals, Neil Schon and Jonathan Cain also great. But also the Hall wanted to bring 80s arena rock into the Hall.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 04:35am


Re the Spin Article, Simon & Garfunkel were pretty good.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 05:30am


PLEBEIAN
Interesting talk about Rage Against The Machine. I think they will eventually get back doored in the RRHOF. They have been rejected by the RRHOF voters time and again. My guess if the vote was close...They would have inducted Rage Against The Machine. Some great artists and bands have earned induction under the Early Influence & Musical Excellence banner. Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J etc. All were respected and pioneering in their respective genres. I don't think that would be any disrespect against Rage. In 8-10 years, many will forget how Rage was inducted. They will be remembered as RRHOFers. I'm also interested in other 5x or more Nominees like Chaka Khan, J. Geils Band, and MC5. It seems J. Geils Band has disappeared from the ballot list after having a few shots at induction.
KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 10:38am


PLEBEIAN
Interesting talk about Rage Against The Machine. I think they will eventually get back doored in the RRHOF. They have been rejected by the RRHOF voters time and again. My guess if the vote was close...They would have inducted Rage Against The Machine. Some great artists and bands have earned induction under the Early Influence & Musical Excellence banner. Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J etc. All were respected and pioneering in their respective genres. I don't think that would be any disrespect against Rage. In 8-10 years, many will forget how Rage was inducted. They will be remembered as RRHOFers. I'm also interested in other 5x or more Nominees like Chaka Khan, J. Geils Band, and MC5. It seems J. Geils Band has disappeared from the ballot list after having a few shots at induction.
KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 10:39am


King

I actually don't think the rock hall will do rage via a side category simply because it confirms the worst about the voting body and means a significant overhaul needs to happen.

Rage are not Judas priest or ll cool j or Chaka or j geils band. They're bigger by a wide margin, relevant, hyper acclaimed, incredibly influential, and everyone knows they're music and can name 3 songs in less than 3 seconds. A band like that not being able to get the votes is insane to the point that the hall would need to admit failure in a way that would be embarrassing to the point that they would need to change the system outright.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 11:36am


God I'm just thinking what sidedooring rage would mean.

Bands like Alice in chains, blink 182, my chemical romance, system of the down, tool, fallout boy, Weezer, queens of the stone age, and Linkin park probably would be seen as having no shot on the ballot.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 16:22pm


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

If 7: The White Stripes
If 8 (highly unlikely, but you never know): Missy Elliott

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 18:33pm


But here's the thing, if Rage gets treated as a regular inductee at the ceremony why does it matter if they have to get side-doored in? When Judas Priest was inducted there was no mention at the ceremony that they were being inducted via a side category.

Posted by Garrick on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 20:38pm


Plebeian,

I don't think RATM should get in through that category either, but there's no way the Hall is going to keep them getting nominated year after year. Also it eliminates the political BS in which most people assumed so I expect them to have one more shot to get voted in otherwise the Hall would have no choice putting them under Musical Excellence. Remember about Kraftwerk, LL Cool J & Judas Priest, heck that could happen also for MC5, New York Dolls, Devo & others who were nominated multiple times as well for the ones who were tried once: Motorhead, The Replacements, Thin Lizzy, Bad Brains & Steppenwolf. Just my two cents!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 20:57pm


Mat R,

The more RATM gets nominated, the bands you mentioned won't get considered at any point. So this has to be their final shot.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 21:02pm


Garrick,

My point exactly!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 21:03pm


Mat R,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

If 7: Missy Elliott or The White Stripes

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

I think you're way overestimating Kate Bush's chances of induction as a Performer this year, I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

I think you're way overestimating Joy Division/New Order's chances this year as well, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYN if The Cure, The Replacements, Nine Inch Nails, The Smiths, Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, Eurythmics, Radiohead and Devo couldn't, The 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that seem to be getting into the Rock Hall in recent years are the ones that have had major mainstream commercial success and are big major populist (household names) from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era like The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics (and before that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie and R.E.M.) while The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo have all failed to get voted in, JD/NO are more closer to The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo group than the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club are more closer to the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group than the JD/NO/The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo/Pixies/Sonic Youth group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, JD/NO (like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush, Devo, Pixies and Sonic Youth) just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club did, so I see them (JD/NO) struggling to get voted in just like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth as well), I think that they're gonna be more like Kate Bush, Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth as well) and take multiple nominations to get voted in.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 21:57pm


Garrick

Cause it means they had to side door one of the biggest and most celebrated mainstream bands of the 1990s. They aren't like a Judas priest or Kraftwerk, they're basically a talking heads or beastie boys or nine inch nails level act in terms of mainstream profile. A side door being needed for an act like rage would actually be eyebrow raising.

Jordan Einstein

I don't think this has to be the last shot. Stooges and sabbath took ages. They do need a break I'd say but there's no way a tool or Alice in chains gets nominated if rage isn't in. Heck I'm sure this will prevent an emo or nu metal act getting on the ballot this decade despite the genres being Uber mainstream and key acts being super influential ATM.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 22:14pm


https:/twitter.com/MMLunlimited/status/1629243093441445888

Official ballots are due back on Friday, April 28, the same day that the online fan vote ends.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/24/2023 @ 22:37pm


I'd argue the voting base has already confirmed the worst about them, how the whole hall is seen as a joke in music circles and the whole thing needs restructuring.

Kraftwerk showed that no one is voting for influence if they aren't a massive name, but they can work for Early Influence. Judas Priest showed no one is voting for rock proper anymore but just any pop artist, and their backdooring as an actual rock band that happened because everyone else just voted for big name pop artists was so bad even the inductees were calling it out.

Rage or Soundgarden or someone being backdoored in while Missy Elliott or George Michael are in the main category would just further confirm it. I don't even know how you'd fix it. Even if you gave the committee a free spot to induct whoever they want without vote as a performer and not mention it they'd still waste it on rappers like Missy Elliot as committee votes showed.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 00:56am


I call it the "Nomination Curse." The more times you're nominated, the chance you have at getting inducted via the voting body is lower and lower each time. The last time someone with 4+ noms got inducted was The Zombies in 2019. The last time someone with 5+ nominations got inducted was Donna Summer in 2013. The last time someone with 8+ nominations got inducted was The Stooges in 2010.

Other inductees in the 2010s:
- The Paul Butterfield Blues Band (4 nominations)
- NWA (4 nominations)

The point is that the days of a Black Sabbath (8 noms) or a Gene Pitney (7 noms) or a Solomon Burke (9 noms) getting nominated numerous times and getting inducted via the voting body are over. They are even more over with the Rock Hall realizing they can just shove people in side categories to clean the backlog.

But can Rage break this curse? You would think Morello being on the nominating committee would make Rage a shoo-in but no dice so far. Dave Grohl's bands get inducted no problem but Rage keeps getting left in the cold.

Posted by Garrick on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 03:54am


richie,
I've been very busy with clerical things, work and that silly 4 day hiatus of mine this week. I know about your note on your mother's cancer fight and grandma's passing. Oh man, that is some tough stuff to deal with at the same time. My condolences to your family on your great loss. Saying prayers for your mother on her cancer fight. Very sorry to hear this.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 04:30am


Garrick,

You're on point with those statements!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 05:26am


Guest

Yep. Rage being side doored would be the most extreme example of the problem with the hall's system. I can't picture the foundation or the committees doing it because it would basically mean they can't put forward anyone, even the biggest and most celebrated names, related to nu metal, emo, pop punk, or post grunge which basically means rock has no future at the hall unless you radically change things or wait till a bunch of voters depart.

Garrick

Yep. The more you're nominated the hard it is. Rage presents a situation that is highly unfavourable because of how mainstream they are. The hall basically needs them to get the votes because a bad this big needed a side category ain't good.

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 07:03am


According to nominating committee member Amy Linden on her podcast ImmaLetYouFinish..., The 2023 induction ceremony will be back in NYC and will be held at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York this fall.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 10:08am


Richie's post reminds me

With the Latin Grammys going to Spain this year and the rock hall talking about London do you guys think we see the hall actually doing a London ceremony in the next 5 years?

Also do you think we see a Miami, Vegas, Austin, or Nashville make a play to host a rock hall ceremony soon?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 11:20am


So, a bit of an update to my appearances list I made a while ago. This one has incorporated the 2012 version of the 500 albums list and the Songs that changed Rock and Roll list. Here are the following changes:
OutKast has moved up to the 7 Appearances section

Fiona Apple and the Smiths have moved to the 6 Appearances section

Big Star, PJ Harvey, and The Replacements have moved to the 5 Appearances section

Beck, Chic, Dr. Dre, Loretta Lynn, Sonic Youth, Oasis, and Mott the Hoople have moved to the 4 Appearances section

Alanis Morrisette, Ben E. King, Coldplay, Frank Sinatra, Geto Boys, Ghostface Killah, New York Dolls, The B-52's, The Crystals and Weezer have all been moved to the 3 Appearances section.

Any thoughts on this or my appearances project thing as a whole?

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 12:28pm


Mat R,

I'm going to list off all the nominees and their origin/where they're from:

Kate Bush: Bexleyheath, Kent, England
Sheryl Crow: Kennett, Missouri
Missy Elliott: Portsmouth, Virginia
Iron Maiden: Leyton, East London
Joy Division/New Order: Salford, England
Cyndi Lauper: Brooklyn, New York
George Michael: East Finchley, Middlesex, England
Willie Nelson: Abbott, Texas
Rage Against The Machine: Los Angeles, California
Soundgarden: Seattle, Washington
The Spinners: Detroit, Michigan
A Tribe Called Quest: Queens, New York
The White Stripes: Detroit, Michigan
Warren Zevon: Chicago, Illinois

so with the 2023 induction ceremony back in NYC (Cyndi Lauper's home state) and will be held at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York (Cyndi Lauper's hometown) this fall, Do you think that it'll help Cyndi to get in this year and get the hometown hero treatment/advantage this year since the ceremony's back in her hometown this year?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 15:03pm


Richie

Nah if they wanted a big nyc pop they'd vote for tribe who are more ingrained into NYC history

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 15:55pm


Mat R,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

If 7: Missy Elliott or The White Stripes

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 16:03pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
EARLY INFLUENCE
Sugarhill Gang
NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Roscoe on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 16:46pm


For those who don't know yet, George Michael is back on the top spot in the fan vote.

My current predictions:

Missy Elliott
Warren Zevon
George Michael
Kate Bush
Willie Nelson (bold take: might get the Early Influence back door induction)

Wishlist:

Joy Division/New Order
A Tribe Called Quest
The Spinners (might get in via Early Influence)

Like Jordan Einstein mentioned a couple days ago, George Michael and Cyndi Lauper might spilt that maybe one of them might get inducted this year. So, I'm leaving it with five currently.

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 18:10pm


John R.C.,

No way that they'll do only five Performer inductees this year, I think that they'll do either six or seven Performer inductees this year just like in recent years.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 18:14pm


Richie

I know that. I'm just leaving two spots open until the final weeks of voting.

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 18:31pm


Hearing it's in New York I think Cyndi Lauper is getting the pop spot over George Michael. I thought she was anyway since she barely squeezes into pop rock and seems to have more friends and supporters at the Hall who have wanted her in. It just matches up as their one "local" inductee since it's pretty tough this year for ATCQ to make it.

No London means you aren't getting Kate Bush to perform no matter what either, she's never performed in the US and with her being reclusive and hating flying so much she won't do it. Very interested to see if that changes anything or if the popularity revival gets her the push this year

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 19:04pm


I think that people are way overestimating Kate Bush's chances of induction as a Performer this year, I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, despite her huge resurgence this past year with Running Up That Hill being featured on Stranger Things and quickly becoming a cultural phenomenon, plus the fact that she has failed three times now and this is her fourth nomination (third in the last three years) is a sign of she may have voter fatigue working against her despite her huge resurgence this past year, I think that her best chance of getting in this year is via Musical Excellence in the same way that LL Cool J and Judas Priest got in in recent years, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in as Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer), because of her failed prior nominations simply means she's simply not resonating enough with voters to get voted in as a Performer, so I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 19:57pm


Richie's picks are reasonable

I think we'll see 5 or 6 with 2 in each side category (cept early influence)

I'd guess (and this isn't firm): George Michael, Warren Zevon, Soundgarden, Sheryl Crow, white stripes, and Willie Nelson as performers (yes Cyndi and missy miss) and Kate Bush as musical excellence.

I'm guessing Sam Smith inducts Michael (with Carly Rae performing), Zevon gets David Letterman (with Adam Sandler performing), Soundgarden get josh homme (who perform together), Courtney cox does duties for Sheryl, Beck inducts and performs for white stripes (and in the moment of the night does in the cold cold night with Meg on vocals in a shocker, she doesn't do a speech and Jack doesn't show cause he does not care), Bjork inducts bush (who shows because she gets to hang with Bjork and cause mitski is doing the tribute), and Snoop Dogg does Willie who leads the jame. Also babyface gets musical excellence, mc5 big mama Thornton and salt n pepa get early influence, and Michel Gondry gets the Ertegun Award....also they introduce the international award to get Fela Kuti in

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 20:06pm


Mat R,

I think that Cyndi's getting in this year, It's going to be in Brooklyn (her hometown) this year, There's no way that she misses out on induction this year. I just can't see Sheryl Crow being the only Female act inducted in the Performers category this year, so I really think that Cyndi's getting in this year, as well as she should be.

Also, I think that we'll get 7 inductees again this year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 20:12pm


Mat R,

I think you're really underestimating Cyndi's chances and overestimating The White Stripes's chances this year, I just have a really hard time seeing The White Stripes getting in FYE especially if Radiohead couldn't back in 2018, so I think that The White Stripes will get the Radiohead treatment and I think that they will wait a year just like Radiohead did and they'll get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did back in 2019.

As for Cyndi, The ceremony's going to be in her hometown (Brooklyn) this year, plus she's an 80's and MTV icon, so I see her being a shoo-in this year because of recent classes and also because of last year's 80's MTV-heavy class as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 20:25pm


Miles Marshall Lewis has revealed who his fifth vote for the 2023 ballot will be. It's going to be The Spinners.

https://twitter.com/mmlunlimited/status/1629403561690910721?s=46&t=PYoe2jnsqeECo0CRHDzlJA

So to recap, his votes are:

Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
The Spinners
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 20:33pm


Richie

She's not from Brooklyn. She was born there but grew up in Queens. Also we had 1 year of heavy 80s MTV icons but it doesn't seem to actually be a trend. I think she has a good shot but I think she just misses cause you know people only have 5 votes and she's not really in that top 5 in any regard. She's got an amazing album that might push her but this is a hard class.

Radiohead was probably an anomaly and since then several big inductions have happened: Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, and Lionel Richie all got in on the ballot on their first try and Nine Inch Nails, Eurythmics, and Carol King all got in. All have something in common with Jack White and that's they're all industry power players outside of just being influential musicians. Jack White probably doesn't care and isn't campaigning but literally everyone within the industry relies in him for vinyl. On top of that he has 'Seven Nation Army' which is kind of without question here the most well known recording of anyone on the ballot (when it's the unofficial song of the biggest sport in the world and you can hear a stadium of 10s of thousands of people sing it in almost every major city on the planet every weekend it has claim to that)....they also seem to be the critics pick.

also Sheryl wouldn't be the only woman performer (Meg White) and we also get a solid amount of POC representation thanks to Soundgarden. It's definitely not perfect but it's not a disaster.

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 21:01pm


Mat R,

I think that there'll be 7 Performer inductees again this year instead of 5 or 6, Also, Please really consider predicting 7 Performer inductees again this year and add Cyndi as the 7th inductee, I think that The Go-Go's, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics getting in in the last two years really helps her this year as well, so please really consider predicting 7 Performer inductees again this year instead of 5 or 6 and add Cyndi as the 7th Performer inductee.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 21:07pm


I actually do have her as my 7th tied with new order joy division

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 21:11pm


Mat R,

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush

Early Influence:

MC5
Big Mama Thornton

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 21:29pm


Mat R,

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush

Early Influence:

MC5
Big Mama Thornton

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/25/2023 @ 21:29pm


The FutureRockLegends forecast by the voters. Out if these picks , Willie is the only one that will be inducted.
The others:
The Spinners
Missy Elliot
Cyndi Lauper
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
White Stripes
George Michael


8 inducted by the Voters

Artistic Merit : (maybe Maiden)
Dionne , Bacharach , Hal David
The Monkees
Chubby Checker

Posted by BoyGenius on Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 05:11am


Road To Jamnation Episode 14 is now available; featuring my commentary on the history of the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame, and the first half of my interview with HOF nomination committee member Alan Light.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/75LHKOavm9DN3jvR1Ho8Ow?si=eMSNJA0uQYC8A8rQLzTlzg

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 12:10pm


Interesting year for nominees. I feel the following will be inductedthis year.

Willie Nelson - not really rock, per-se, but with a career that has been going strong for almost 70 years and he being right around 90 years old. He has to get in. On top of that he is still touring. That in itself is influential.

Cyndi Lauper - excellent musician (see her in concert and you will see she's not just an MTV flash in the pan). Not many people realize she has written songs for other musicians. She is also the only woman to receive a Tony Award for writing the entire score for a Broadway musical, single handedly and she is only one award away from achieving EGOT (she needs an oscar).

The Spinners - That I am aware of, the last of the great RB groups to dominate the charts from the late 50's
through the 70's.

Missy Elliot - The first female rapper to be nominated. Laid the groundwork for what was to come.

Rage Against The Machine - The voice of an angry generation

Iron Maiden - The wall against metal has to end somewhere and why not with the biggest currently still touring.

Warren Zevon - A musician well loved by musicians. Someone that has been considered a major snub for years.

Musical Excellence

Kate Bush - This category was made for Kate. To the best of my knowledge Kate has only toured once and I think it was only in England. She is a great musician. Her music is phenomenal, but is she a performer if she doesn't tour?

Early Influence

Herbie Hancock - a musician classified as jazz, that in actuality has blended jazz, funk, rock, electronica and
several other genres all into a unique musical style dating back to the 50's.

Non Music

Bernie Taupin - Elton John finishes his farewell this year and with that I feel Bernie's chances will fade. How many lyricists can claim as much as Bernie.

Wolfman Jack and Cassie Cashem - While they didn't work together, they each brought the music to millions of fans thoughout the world. In many ways they were just as important as the music they played.

Posted by falcon on Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 15:30pm


After reading the post by falcon I believe more than ever that the name of the institution needs to be changed from the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame to the Popular Music Hall of Fame.

Posted by joker on Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 15:43pm


Surprised by the pushes here recently for Wolfman Jack and Casey Kasem. They're important figures but that media lane is hella crowded (Don Cornelius, Ed Sullivan, Robert Christgau, Annie Nightingale, Robert Pittman, Marcel Bezencon) and no outright media figure has gone in since Jann Wenner so it's gonna be a big figure and I'm kinda doubtful they go with Shaggy. Honestly I'd guess Nightingale.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 17:26pm


Mat R,

I think that we'll get 7 inductees again this year, It's just too strong of a ballot this year to not have 7 inductees again, so Please predict 7 inductees again this year just in case and predict Sheryl Crow, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon as the 7 inductees this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 17:40pm


Richie - the number of actual inductees has little to do with the strength of the ballot, but rather is a function of how close the vote totals are, and potentially also an opportunity to avoid the bad optics of a non-diverse inductee class. They aren't going to reach 7 deep for a class as white as your predictions, unless the vote results are legitimately extremely close for the sixth and seventh choices there. The only non-white inductees on your list would be a couple members of Soundgarden.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 19:07pm


Shrek,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you have as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 19:11pm


Shrek

Listening to your pod and like it

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 20:38pm


Thanks for listening Mat r!

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 20:42pm


Random Q

With the number of realistic bands starting to run low, what do you guys think will succeed new wave? Metal and 80s rap seem to be struggling and they're already deep into grunge and 90s alternative. Pop punk/emo feels logical as it's the deepest pool of really big names and Green Day are already in but aside from Green Day not many critical darlings aside from like No Doubt, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, and Bad Religion. It did however never end unlike new wave, grunge, and the various metal scenes (every 2 to 7 years there's a new really big pop punk/emo thing - 94 Green Day and Offspring, 96 No Doubt, 98 Blink 182, 02 Avril Lavigne, Dashboard Confessional, and Sum 41, 04 My Chemical Romance and Fallout Boy, 06 Panic at the Disco and Paramore, 08 Katy Perry's album, 14 5 Seconds of Summer, 16 Lil Peep, 18 Juice Wrld, 21 Olivia Rodrigo - literally never ending). I'm curious y'all think it will be the successor to new wave or not?

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 02/27/2023 @ 00:04am


Like last year, the top 7 of fan votes may be inducted.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Tuesday, 02/28/2023 @ 07:19am


I am repostting my Predictions for 2023 Inductees

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliot
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush
Iron Maiden

Early Influence:

Big Mama Thornton
the Spinners

yeah Cyndi and Rage against TM miss
You see my Musical Excellence and Early Influence picks.
Response is great
Yeah I think Sam Smith inducts Michael (with Carly Rae performing), Zevon gets David Letterman Very Unsure about Adam Sandler, Soundgarden get Ann Wilson of Heart perhaps. Courtney cox does duties for Sheryl Crow I agree with that. Those are some thoughts and what Mat R wrote. Respond respond

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 08:11am


Ben,

I still think that you're way overestimating Joy Division/New Order's chances this year, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYN if The Cure, The Replacements, The Smiths, Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, Eurythmics and Devo couldn't, The 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that seem to be getting into the Rock Hall in recent years are the ones that have had major mainstream commercial success and are big major populist (household names) from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era like The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics (and before that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie and R.E.M., while The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo have all failed to get voted in, JD/NO are more closer to The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo group than the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had much more commercial success and much more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club are more closer to the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group than the JD/NO/The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo/Pixies/Sonic Youth group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, JD/NO (like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush, Devo, Pixies and Sonic Youth) just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club did, so I see them (JD/NO) struggling to get voted in just like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth), I think that they're gonna be more like Kate Bush, Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth) and take multiple nominations to get voted in. I really just don't see them getting in this year over Cyndi Lauper who's very high in the fan vote and a much bigger 80's and MTV icon and a hometown girl from New York (where the ceremony is going to be held this year at Barclays Center in Brooklyn), I think that their lack of major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America will really hurt their chances of getting in this year FYN, I do think that they'll get in eventually, but I think that it will take multiple nominations to get voted in just like Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements. So for that reason, I think you should take Joy Division/New Order out of your predictions for the 2023 inductees and add Cyndi Lauper in their place because the ceremony's going to be back in NYC (her home state) at Barclays Center in Brooklyn (her birthplace) this year and I can't see them passing up a hometown hero where the ceremony's going to be held in her home state this year so please seriously consider taking JD/NO out of your predictions for the 2023 inductees and replacing them with Cyndi because of the ceremony being held in her home state this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 08:58am


I love how people keep saying JD/NO didn't have the commercial success in the USA. Are you people forgetting that Blue Monday is the best-selling 12-inch single of all time?

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 09:59am


I love how people keep saying JD/NO didn't have the commercial success in the USA. Are you people forgetting that Blue Monday is the best-selling 12-inch single of all time?

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 10:02am


Garrick,

No, People are forgetting that Blue Monday is the best-selling 12 inch single of all-time, As I've said it numerous times before, JD/NO just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts have had like The B-52's and INXS, so I see them struggling to get voted in just like Devo and The Smiths, I do think that they'll get in eventually, but I see them taking multiple nominations to get voted in just like Devo and The Smiths.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 10:07am


Start of the new month so to update my predictions:

George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Missy Elliott
Joy Division/ New Order
Kate Bush

Other contenders:
Cyndi Lauper
Warren Zevon
Iron Maiden
Sheryl Crow

No chance in Hell:
Rage Against The Machine :(
The Spinners
A Tribe Called Quest


Those are my thoughts right now

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 10:19am


Plebeian,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Spoiler: Missy Elliott

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

I think that you're way overestimating Kate Bush's chances of induction as a Performer this year, I just think that this a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

I think that you're way overestimating Joy Division/New Order's chances this year as well, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYN if The Cure, The Replacements, The Smiths, Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, Eurythmics and Devo couldn't, The 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that seem to be getting into the Rock Hall in recent years are the ones that have had major mainstream commercial success and are big major populist (household names) from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era like The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics (and before that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie and R.E.M.), while The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo have all failed to get voted in, JD/NO are more closer to The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo group than the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had much more commercial success and much more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club are more closer to the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group than the JD/NO/The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo/Pixies/Sonic Youth group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, JD/NO (like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush, Devo, Pixies and Sonic Youth) just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club did, so I see them (JD/NO) struggling to get voted in just like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth as well), I think that they're gonna be more like Kate Bush, Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth as well) and take multiple nominations to get voted in. I think that their lack of major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America will really hurt their chances of getting in this year FYN, I do think that they'll get in eventually, but I think that it will take multiple nominations to get voted in just like Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 11:03am


richie,
What I say now will make me sound like a huge New waver. I am NOT. The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a very good chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club have had much more commercial success and much more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys and Culture Club are more closer to the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics. Ok that may be all true. Ok JD/NO just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that other New wave inductees have. You see JD/NO struggling to get voted in just like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo, I DO NOT think JD/NO will be like Kate Bush, Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements. I Never heard JD until 4 weeks ago. But I know New Order since 1983. I was crushed when Pat Benatar was NOT inducted in 2020. Only Nominated. I love Cyndi Lauper but I will abstain from adding her. To avoid the same mistake. Cyndi can be inducted 2024.
Blue Monday is the best selling 12 inch single of all time. Garrick is correct. Perfect Kiss and Bizarre Love Triangle were also very successful 12 inch singles.
And heyy I am into Arena rock and Gr Dead, Eric Clapton, Yes etc etc I read about JD/NO a lot.

Those are my thoughts on this

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 11:14am


Ben,

Please don't abstain from adding Cyndi Lauper, Cyndi is more critically acclaimed than Pat Benatar was, plus the ceremony's back in New York (her home state) this year at Barclays Center in Brooklyn (her birthplace), I just can't see them passing Cyndi up this year when the ceremony's going to be back in her home state, As I've said it numerous times before, I do think that Joy Division/New Order will be like Kate Bush, Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements and take multiple nominations to get voted in, so Please really consider taking Joy Division/New Order out and add Cyndi in their place, I'm begging you please don't abstain from adding Cyndi, I'm begging you to please really consider taking JD/NO out and add Cyndi. Thank You and Have a great day...

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 11:38am



Now Richie, begging one of the members to change their predictions isn't the way to have discussions.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 14:06pm


richie,

Are you really *begging* someone to change their ballot? No offense, but that's kinda sad. People can have different opinions. You don't have to make a fuss out of it and repeatedly request that someone changes their mind because you disagree with them. You obviously don't understand the massive impact that JD/NO has had in mainstream pop culture, but that's besides the point. The purpose of this website is to have legitimate discussion about the Hall and music in general, not begging and pleading for people to be your "yes men" who agree with every single action you take. I feel like you think that you're the main character of FRL. You are not at all; no one is. You genuinely have the ability to post well-thought out posts, but stuff like that is just depressing, man. Chill out.

Posted by Skylanderlord3 on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 14:44pm


Raichu,

I think you should move Kate Bush to Musical Excellence and add Cyndi Lauper in her place for the Performers category because of how well she's doing in the fan vote and the ceremony being back in New York (her home state) at Barclays Center in Brooklyn (her birthplace) this year, I just think that this is a tough ballot for Kate once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 14:49pm


Anyone else have thoughts on my video?

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 15:54pm


Kinda curious what people think of the fact that despite Kate Bush having a top 3 hit last year she is trailing Joy Division and New Order in the fan vote by quite a bit (over 12k votes) for the 7th spot. Both are doing ok in the vote but Joy Division and New Order are kind of running away with that 80s alternative fan vote with relative ease and it's kind of shocking i feel like.

Bad sign for Kate?

What y'all think?

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 16:31pm


Still, isn't this Kate's strongest showing on the fan ballot since she's been nominated? Besides, sometimes the fan ballot isn't the best metric to go by on how the actual votes will go. For example, heavy metal always does great on the fan ballot (Judas Priest & Iron Maiden) but they always struggle with the voters. On the flip side, rap and hip-hop never does the best poorly in the fan ballot (except Eminem) but does well with the voters (Jay-Z came dead last in the fan vote but was inducted on his first try).

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 18:09pm


I think that out of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon, Iron Maiden and Soundgarden), I think that four of the top five acts in the fan vote (George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon and Soundgarden) will get in this year, while Iron Maiden will be the one that misses out on induction once again this year.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 18:25pm


Richie. Other people have the right to their predictions, just like you do. You can disagree with them and that's fine, but it's very rude to demand that people change their predictions. Please stop.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 18:42pm


RG,

Are you on social media and what is your real name?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 18:44pm


My predictions

Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Warren Zevon
Willie Nelson

If 7: Soundgarden

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 19:36pm


Garrick

Rank wise yes but position wise no

She was 10th last year (1 spot out of the upper half by 16 or 17k votes) and 8th this year (again 1 spot out of the upper half by around 12k votes)

Fan vote generally a non factor for the most part (metal fans and anti rap bias swing it badly for those genres) but for Kate, coming off her biggest year ever, it's noticable and the fact it's to the most similar act on the ballot to her kind of raises some alarms cause they're likely to have a similar appeal with actual voters. Not sure how to read.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 19:38pm


Greg F,

I think that you're way overestimating Kate Bush's chances of induction as a Performer this year, I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 19:50pm


Jordan Einstein,
To speak for myself. Im Not digging this begging thing. The purpose of this website is to have legitimate discussion about the Hall and music in general, not begging and pleading. Richie is a Nice person that goes too far. As far as JD/NO. Its irony I stay with them. Im Not a fan but read a lot about them. Also I know a number of songs of them as New Order. He should chill out and I will move on. OK on the good side I think I will review 2020-2022 Classes

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 20:26pm


Richie - while I happen to agree with you that Cyndi Lauper has a better shot at being voted in as a performer than Kate Bush does; I think that your argument about the location of the induction ceremony is a very weak argument. I'd challenge you to go out and find *any* evidence ever of a Hall Of Fame voter that has taken in to account the location of the ceremony at all. I really don't think you could find even one that sat there with their ballot and asked themselves, "wait a minute, where is the ceremony this year? I should make sure there is a home town favorite on my ballot!" I don't think even the producers of the ceremony particularly care about that; because they're making a TV show, so they just are hoping for a few big names in general that will give them good TV ratings.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 20:58pm


Raichu,

Not bad except I don't see George Michael being inducted this year since he's getting a little competition from Cyndi Lauper & Soundgarden would have to wait until RATM finally gets the honor as the latter is creating a backlog for the former & others. So i might replace Michael & Soundgarden with Lauper & JD/NO.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 20:59pm


What are your predictions for 2023 inductees in the side categories (Ahmet Ertegun Awards, Early Influence and Musical Excellence)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 21:29pm


I feel like everyone here kind of agrees Kate Bush is going to be inducted somehow. Do I have that right?

Richie

Early Influence: big mama Thornton (Elvis movie effect), mc5 (Kraftwerk style baby), salt n pepa (if Missy doesn't get in)

Musical excellence: Kate Bush, Martha Wash

Ahmet Ertegun: Michel Gondry, Annie Nightengale

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/1/2023 @ 21:51pm


I will commence reviews of 2020-2022 classes. Unless there is any objection. I realize one person trolling is meaningless. If one person says I'm annoying who cares. The person can go in a corner and sulk. Besides I will NOT be reviewing the Beatles, the Who, Cream, Grateful Dead, etc. We have progressed well beyond Billy Joel, Bruce S, Steely Dan and Queen etc as well. I know richie will did this and K-Dawg among others. My age group actually grew up later in the old rock period
hence those like me were around when more modern rock got started. I leaned towards Arena rock and Blues rock in the 1980s but I know a lot about the New Wave tooo. The 2020-2022 should be fine

Posted by Ben .On on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 02:47am


I will commence reviews of 2020-2022 classes. Unless there is any objection. I realize one person trolling is meaningless. If one person says I'm annoying who cares. The person can go in a corner and sulk. Besides I will NOT be reviewing the Beatles, the Who, Cream, Grateful Dead, etc. We have progressed well beyond Billy Joel, Bruce S, Steely Dan and Queen etc as well. I know richie will did this and K-Dawg among others. My age group actually grew up later in the old rock period
hence those like me were around when more modern rock got started. I leaned towards Arena rock and Blues rock in the 1980s but I know a lot about the New Wave tooo. The 2020-2022 should be fine

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 03:39am


Richie I think the opposite I think underestimating her chances of being voted in. I believe that the resurgence would be enough to sway the voters to vote for her. The hard rock and metal acts will probably cancel each other out. The voters probably would think it's too soon for the White Stripes. Sheryl Crow isn't that exciting of a candidate so I don't see many people voting for her.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 05:42am


Greg f

White stripes have the industry cred thanks to you know having the man responsible for the return of vinyl. They're also critical darlings with the single biggest song on the ballot. Kate had a pop hit sure but they had 85000 in Qatar singing their song everytime someone scored a goal during the biggest cultural event on the planet. Also foos and jay got in no problem.

As for Sheryl, she might not be exciting but was Carly or Lionel? No

My issue with bush is, as Richie put she's on another thought ballot. What makes it especially rough is she lost her spot as the critics fave and lost it quite dramatically cause in addition to tribe and white stripes were now have Missy Elliott and jd/no. All have enjoyed greater critical success than her and unlike her the general population knows more than 1 song by each.

I think she has a good shot but this is a hard af ballot for her.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 07:24am


The boomer voters probably won't vote for White Stripes because they'll think it's too soon.

Ok I admit that my Sheryl Crow argument is weak. Remember popularity isn't everything to the voters. They seem to have the tendency to vote for what they like and know only.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 07:52am


Greg F

I think the boomer voters will like that White Stripes not only kept rock going but also kind of made the last truly important rock song - which they heard fans chanting when they went to the Rangers/Coyotes game and the Man City/West Ham game and the Super Giants/Super Kings game - and are making a killing as everyone buys their greatest hits on vinyl which was pressed at Third Man Records.

Like they have a lot going for em. The one thing that I see stopping them is they don't care and aren't campaigning at all seemingly. Jack seems indifferent and Meg hasn't been seen or heard from in like a decade.

Also yea popularity isn't everything but it helps a lot, as do connections and acclaim, and Sherly has all of it.

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 08:05am



Once Willie Nelson gets inducted, where does the Rock Hall go with country? Will they try to induct Merle Haggard, Waylon Jennings, Glen Campbell, Patsy Cline, Emmylou Harris, etc.? One idea I've had is for the nom com to circle back and nominate Gram Parsons again. Parsons was important in the development of country rock and he's been nominated three times in the past (2002, 2004, 2005). Maybe he could be inducted if he were nominated today. I can also see him taking the Todd Rundgren, Warren Zevon slot. I can also see Keith Richards inducting him.

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 11:48am


Garrick - Gram Parsons came up during my discussion with Alan Light; he is an advocate for Parsons going in but seemed to think that Grams' time as a performer nominee had passed unless something new happens to bring his name forward into popular awareness again. A new documentary or a resurgence in one of his old songs or something like that. Barring that, his best shot is perhaps as an "early influence" on Alt-country

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 12:30pm


In my next episode, during the second half of my interview with Alan Light, he brings up a name he is advocating for induction this year, pushing it with the head of the Early Influence committee.
Stay tuned for that scoop! Though it's certainly not guaranteed that that committee will come through and do it, the timing for it this year would be perfect.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 12:35pm


Garrick

Even if Willie gets in I don't see them going that deep into country. Most of those guys are not icons in the way that dolly or Willie are and as most are dead I see them being early influence.

I also don't see the hall going all pop country either. Shania, Garth, the chicks all probably have to wait a while.

My guess is if we see country continue as is it'll be Glen Campbell, who has deep links to rock and pop, or Jimmy Buffett, who is a similar icon to dolly and Willie.

Realistically this slot isn't about country but icons I feel like.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/2/2023 @ 12:58pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Roscoe on Friday, 03/3/2023 @ 03:01am


richie,

I wanted a response for doing 2020-2022 Classes. This maybe won't be annoying to anybody. There is NO 1960s artists or very few. I would have to look. And all the regulars are cool.

K-Dawg, also you may dig the 2020-2022 Classes. The Beatles, the Who, Cream, the Doors, Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers B were all inducted decades back.

2020-2022 Classes Yes or No. What are your thoughts?

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/3/2023 @ 04:05am


As far as a next 'countryish' inductee, assuming Willie gets in, I would think Glen Campbell would be a deserving entry.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 03/3/2023 @ 05:26am


Ben,

Yes, I think that you should do the 2020-2022 classes, This would be something to talk about for a while, so yeah, I think that you should do the 2020-2022 classes.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/3/2023 @ 08:38am


Other than ATCQ and Missy Elliot, which hip-hop artists do you think will be inducted in the future?

Posted by ABC on Friday, 03/3/2023 @ 10:48am


Other than ATCQ and Missy Elliot, which hip-hop artists do you think will be inducted in the future?

Posted by ABC on Friday, 03/3/2023 @ 10:48am


ABC,

Wu-Tang Clan
OutKast
Nas
Dr. Dre
De La Soul

That's who I think in no particular order

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 03/3/2023 @ 12:42pm


I think Kate is going to get inducted this year. Not in the performers category, but in the musical excellence category. Yes, Kate was never commercially successful in America prior to the resurgence of Running Up That Hill, but Kate and her albums have always been critically acclaimed and highly respected by music critics and musicians alike. She's been name-dropped by countless artists as an influence, her albums constantly shows up on "greatest albums" list on music publications like Pitchfork and Rolling Stone (she was recently placed at no. 60 on their 200 greatest singers list), and pretty much 45% of today's pop music (the likes of Billie Eilish, Lana Del Rey, Lorde, St. Vincent, etc). can be traced back to Kate's music.

I often wonder if the Rock Hall might give her the Laura Nyro treatment and just induct her despite her limited success in America. Laura Nyro, like Kate, was critically acclaimed and highly respected by music critics and musicians despite having no hit songs (though her songs became hits by other people), albums that aren't best sellers, and lack of name recognition. I think the only difference is that Laura was an American while Kate is British, so probably made Laura's induction a lot more easier.

I think Kate is gaining the momentum of a potential induction because interest in her music continues to grow more and more, especially among millennials and gen-zers who are hearing her music for the first time. Not to mention critics and musicians are fans of hers continue to sing their praises of her.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 03/3/2023 @ 15:30pm


Paul in KY,

I think Kenny Rogers might get a look too...but Patsy Cline is an obvious choice, perhaps early influence

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/3/2023 @ 15:33pm


K dawg

Yea Kenny Rogers is probably among the 10 most likely to get in on a ballot

-kenny Rogers
-glen Campbell
-jimmy Buffett
-kris kristofferson
-wilco
-the chicks
-Merle Haggard (prob will get e.i.)
-lucinda Williams
-george jones (prob will get e.i.)
-gram parsons (prob will get m.e.)

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/3/2023 @ 19:49pm


I think there is great chance that some of MC5, New York Dolls, Devo are inducted by side categories this year.

Posted by ABC on Saturday, 03/4/2023 @ 01:57am


I think Lauper, George Micheal, Crow, Soundgarden, Zevon, Nelson and Kate Bush (ME) will be inducted this year from the view of hall of fame. This is a small class and I think there is great possibility that only 6 will be inducted.

From the music evolution, I think JD/NO and Iron Maiden should be inducted as soon as possible.

Posted by ABC on Saturday, 03/4/2023 @ 02:00am


Ok, I will commence the 2020-2022 classes

I can't remember if I reviewed this one or Not. My Last reviews of Classes were over a year ago. If one person says Im annoying I keep going. 10 or people would have to say Im annyoying to shut this down. So one person annoyed can go in a corner and sulk awhile. And hey there is Not as many 1960s and 70s acts to be "annoying" to anyone. The Doors, The Who, The Beatles, Gr Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Fleetwood Mac, Billy Joel, Dusty Springfield, Eric Clapton as well as Traffic, Steely Dan, Earth, Wind & fire, Michael Jackson and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers have been inducted for decades.

Ok. Lets go. Here we go the 2020 class of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Depeche Mode
Doobie Brothers
Whitney Houston
Nine Inch Nails
the Notorious BIG
T. Rex

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Irving Azoff
Jon Landau

I remember the order of the ceremonies. This in fact was Not a ceremony. it was supposed to be. BUT as we know the Covid 19 Pandemic struck leaving the country and the world paralyzed. The 2020 Ceremony was to be in May 2020. It was the height of shutdowns around the world. As we also know it was rescheduled as a broadcast special in November 2020. NO ceremony.

I will do the order acts were presented. I will start with Doobie Brothers. Yeah its my fav act for 2020. I have technical difficulties with writing Very long posts.
Stay tuned for Doobie Brothers

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/4/2023 @ 04:18am


Alright the Doobie Brothers. They were the first act in the 2020 RnR Hall of Fame special. Yeah Doobie Brothers are my fav act of the 2020 Ceremony. Shall we say I am often a traditional rock guy. Dont worry I do deviate. Doobie Brothers were Big Classic Rock inductee for 2020. They were also the Oldest act for 2020

Doobie Brothers

They formed in the beginning of the 1970s. Their debut was Toulouse Street in 1972. I have heard the album a bit. Its their second I know a lot better. The Captain and Me. The Captain and Me was released in 1973. This is my Favorite album from them. The founding members are Tom Johnston and Patrick Simmons.
Tom Johnston provided the lead vocals for the band from 1970 to 1975, when they featured a mainstream rock sound with elements of folk, country and R&B. Michael McDonald joined the band in 1975 as a keyboard player and second lead vocalist, to give some relief to Johnston, who was suffering health problems at the time along with a drug bust, McDonald's interest in soul music introduced a new sound to the band. Johnston and McDonald performed together as co-lead vocalists for one album, Takin' It to the Streets, before Johnston retired fully in 1977 with the album Livin on the Fault Line, I prefer Tom Johnston as lead vocalist. They were doing their original sound as kinda a Country rock band. Frequent lineup changes followed through the rest of the 1970s, and the band broke up in 1982 with Simmons being the only constant member having appeared on all of their albums. In 1987 the Doobie Brothers reformed with Johnston back in the band. My favorite songs of Doobie Brothers are Listen to the Music, Long Train Running, China Grove, Dark Eyed Cajun Woman, South City Midnight Lady, Black Water, Cheat the Hangman, Takin' it to the Streets. What a Fool Believes is OK, Not as good as older songs.
The band's sixteen huge top-40 hits include all those songs, all of which remain in heavy rotation on classic hits radio. The Doobie Brothers were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Nov. 2020. Everyone review Doobie Brothers. Alright

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/4/2023 @ 05:22am


Richie,


Early Influence: John Coltrane, Big Mama Thornton & MC5 or New York Dolls.

Musical Excellence: Kate Bush, Chaka Khan & RATM

Ahmet Ertugun Award: Rick Rubin

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 03/4/2023 @ 06:02am


https://twitter.com/jessewashington/status/1630673844724719616

No seriously who are these people and why are they getting ballots? Why is this journalist for a literal who site who has never written about music at all getting a ballot? No wonder the inductees the last year have been laughable, they even openly state they aren't voting for rock intentionally

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 03/4/2023 @ 09:32am


Guest

This is the dude you're dissing https://www.mtv.com/news/uabdde/blaze-magazine-editor-jesse-washington-beaten

There's also literally people who have said they won't vote rap or pop

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/4/2023 @ 20:56pm


Episode 15 of Road To Jamnation is now available; featuring part 2 of my interview with Alan Light. We discuss some Rock Hall snubs and some candidates for Early Influence and Musical Excellence.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0T9WD0EMgnTn3GrU3t9Dz6?si=U5rVBg5gQA-rdz902qMJBQ

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 03/5/2023 @ 12:22pm


The "scoop" of the episode is that Alan has been pushing the members of the Early Influence committee to induct DJ Kool Herc, the originator of Hip Hop, since this year marks the 50th anniversary of the party that he first introduced his DJ breakbeat techniques.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 03/5/2023 @ 12:35pm


Is he still alive?

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 03/5/2023 @ 14:23pm


Follower yep and nice scoop shrek

Btw I might have one later this month

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/5/2023 @ 15:09pm


Shrek

I have a small criticism. When Alan talked about the corporate bands and said how did they change the game I wish you'd have asked about the guess who and bto and the fact they proved the Canada was creatively and commercially viable.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/5/2023 @ 18:23pm


Gary Rossington passed

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 03/5/2023 @ 21:20pm


Well then, time for me to update:

While Rossington may be the only member of the original lineup dead, there is still one more living member who was inducted: Artimis Pyle.

Since the ceremony, Christine McVee, Tommy Facenda, Jim Stewart, Dino Danelli, Fred White, Jeff Beck, David Crosby, Charlie Thomas, and Gary Rossington have died.

Living Members of each class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 6/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 12/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 20/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1998: 18/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2003: 16/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, and Bill Medley)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 18/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 27/70 (Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 18/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)
2022: 25/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, and Elizabeth Cotten)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 03/5/2023 @ 22:03pm


Can't believe they're all gone now (Artimus Pyle is still alive but he wasn't an original member).

R.I.P. Gary Rossingston

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 03/5/2023 @ 22:11pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Roscoe on Monday, 03/6/2023 @ 01:25am


Here's a new list of groups with only one living member!

Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller (the latter is alive)
The Supremes (Diana Ross)
The Temptations (Otis Williams)
Gerry Goffin and Carole King (The latter is alive)
The Four Tops (Abdul "Duke" Fakir)
Ike and Tina Turner (Tina Turner)
Sam and Dave (Sam Moore)
Cream (Eric Clapton)
The Bee Gees (Barry Gibb)
The Mamas and The Papas (Michelle Phillips)
The Staple Singers (Mavis Stapes)
Steely Dan (Donald Fagan)
Ramones (Marky Ramone)
Righteous Brothers (Bill Medley)
Lynyrd Skynyrd (Artimis Pyle)
The Ronetts (Nedra Talley)
Ellie Greenwich & Jeff Barry (Jeff Barry)
The Crickets (Sonny Curtis)
T. Rex (Bill Legend)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/6/2023 @ 03:29am


I will now cover the Next act shown at the 2020 Rock nRoll Hall of Fame special.
They are a bit out of my league. A wild Alternative band.

Nine Inch Nails

They are an intense extreme Industrial rock band. One of the biggest of all time.
Nine Inch Nails, commonly abbreviated as NIN and stylized as NIИ, is an American industrial rock band formed in Cleveland in the late 80s sometime. The multi-instrumentalist, and producer Trent Reznor has always been the only permanent member of the band. Thats one of the few things I know.The band's debut album, Pretty Hate Machine (1989), was released via TVT Records. After disagreeing with TVT about how to promote the album, the band signed with Interscope Records and released the EP Broken (1992). The following albums, The Downward Spiral (1994) and The Fragile (1999), were released to critical acclaim and commercial success This is one of those bands where you have to be into the Industrial thing.

Following a hiatus, Nine Inch Nails resumed touring in 2005 and released the album With Teeth (2005). I remember selling copies of the Cd in the music section of my Best Buy. Following the release of the album Year Zero (2007), the band left Interscope after a feud. I read In 2004, Rolling Stone placed Nine Inch Nails at No. 94 on its list of the 100 greatest artists of all time. I looked up the list just Now. #95 in 2004 was Lynyrd Skynyrd. Which is an incredible coincidence. Cause at this moment Gary Rossington has died! Anyway Nine Inch Nails were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2020, after being nominated in 2014 (their first year of eligibility) and again in 2015. Anything I know about them is from reading online. They are just no way my bag. Can someone else cover NIN? A lot of regulars younger than me seem to love them. I have 2 or 3 friends my age who actually know them well. Ok I have covered 2 acts of 2020. Hear from ya all or some

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/6/2023 @ 05:02am


So once Missy Elliott gets inducted this year (because let's face it, she's one of this years locks) where does the Rock Hall go with rap & hip-hop? The last few years have been dominated with iconic FYE rappers being inducted like 2Pac, Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, and Eminem. Other acts have either been inducted via multiple ballots (NWA) or via a side category (LL Cool J).

I think the Rock Hall should focus on cleaning out the rap/hip-hop backlog for the next few years. Next year, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne, and Ludacris become eligible and I just don't see any of them being FYE noms or inductees. I think they should really push for Tribe Called Quest, OutKast, Nas, Wu-Tang Clan and many of the other pioneers to be inducted first.

Posted by Garrick on Monday, 03/6/2023 @ 13:11pm


Garrick,

I think you're way overestimating Missy Elliott's chances of induction this year, I just don't see her as a FYE inductee, She's not as big of a household name in Rap/Hip-Hop as Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z and Eminem (all recent FYE Rap/Hip-Hop inductees) are, so for that reason, I just don't see her as an FYE inductee, I do think that she'll get in sooner rather than later, but I think that it will take her 2-3 tries before she gets in. She's not big enough to pull off a FYI induction unlike Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z and Eminem.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/6/2023 @ 13:55pm


Garrick

Lil Wayne is more fyi worthy than Missy and maybe even jay z in a lot of ways. He's also as worth or more worthy on paper than everyone you mentioned. Without him and Kanye the last 15 years of rap do not happen. Guy coined the term drop it like it's hot, discovered drake and Nicki, and created emo rap. His only hold up is politics likely.

50 Cent is also insanely influential and massive.

I would honestly try to twofer of Wayne and Outkast to see if two names that big from rap can get in.

Also for the record Missy feels like she's in the bubble with jd/no, bush, Cyndi, stripes, and Soundgarden. Vying for spot 6/7.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/6/2023 @ 15:33pm


MatR - While BTO and Guess Who weren't on my list of snubs to ask about; there were a number of others I did ask about but that I cut from the final edit because the discussions on them didn't lead to any interesting feedback from Alan. I also certainly could have offered what I think are valid arguments for the "what changed" influence of Boston (major blockbuster album recorded in a home rather than a professional studio); or REO (ushered in the era of 70s Rock bands embracing soft rock). Not sure I could come up with one for Foreigner though, even though they're probably my favorite of the "corporate rock" bands. But truthfully we were running considerably over my agreed on time with Alan by then. And I wasn't really looking to argue with him, just push him for clarity on the view in the room on those types of bands.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 03/6/2023 @ 17:29pm


Shrek figured that was the case. Also not to say argue but see how he'd respond to something simple like bto and Canada or Boston and the riffs

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/6/2023 @ 20:48pm


Next act for the 2020 class
I am Not a big Rap fan so this one will be kinda quick. There was a time up until 10 years ago that I didn't think Rap should be in the Hall. Hey my roots are as a Rock guy. But I had a change of heart. I can actually go more with Biggie than I can NIN. NIN is violent extreme stuff about making love to animals. I can understand Biggie now that I think of the RnR Hall of F as a Music hall.
Notorious BIG also known as Biggie Smalls was one of the huge American rappers.
Rooted in East Coast hip hop and particularly gangsta rap, he is cited in various media lists as being one of the greatest rappers of all time. Biggie Smalls became known for his distinctive laid-back lyrical delivery, offsetting the lyrics' often grim content. His music was often semi-autobiographical, telling of hardship and criminality, but also of sex and celebration.

He was in Brooklyn a lot of his life and signed to Sean Puffy Combs label Bad Boy records. His debut album Ready to Die (1994) was met with widespread critical acclaim, and included his signature songs "Juicy" and "Big Poppa". I do actually know these songs, Those are the only 2 I know. I was listening to Alternative Rock, Folk and Jazz at that time. I caught up on him very slightly much later on at least 10 years down the line.The album made him the central figure in East Coast hip hop, and restored New York's visibility at a time when the West Coast hip hop scene was dominating hip hop music.. In 1995 he led his the group Junior M.A.F.I.A., a team of himself and longtime friends, including Lil' Kim, to chart success.
During 1996, while recording his second album, Biggie became caught up in the escalating East Coast–West Coast hip hop feud. Following Tupac Shakur's death in a drive-by shooting in Las Vegas in September 1996, speculations of involvement in Shakur's murder by criminal elements orbiting the Bad Boy circle circulated as a result of Biggie's public feud with Shakur. On March 9, 1997, six months after Shakur's death, Biggie was murdered by an unidentified assailant in a drive-by shooting while visiting Los Angeles. Biggie's second album Life After Death was released 2 weeks later. I remember this release vaguely BUT I have never been a Rap fan. But each genre has its place as far as the huge ones. What I then want to see is Jazz represented more as well. If the Hall includes Rap it needs to include more Jazz.
Notorious BIG was inducted in the RNR Hall O F in Nov 2020. Ok Now induct John Coltrane and Herbie Hancock. Thats the right thing to do. What are your thought everyone on 2020 class so far

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 02:58am


richie,

Ok Alright Im doing the 2020 Class

So far I reviewed Doobie Brothers
Nine Inch Nails
Notorious BIG

You felt this is something to chat about awhile. Most likely I'll give large gaps sometimes.
Doobie Brothers are real good to me. Its part of my heritage.
2020 shows that things were getting diverse. I have never known NIN very well at all. I know the main guy is Trent Reznor. I have No favs of NIN. Just not my bag
Notorious BIG I actually can deal with slightly better. Its like a Laid back Gangsta rap. A lot of the music is about Hardship and crime. I can understand this kind of Rebellion in the Hall. But it seems to block of great incredible OLd 1980s R&b getting inducted.

K-Dawg,

Thats NOT bad for a middle age guy that was a teenager in late 1970s. Someone like Enig was scared away or has terrible or fatal problems going on. we do NOt know. BUT here I am. But I had hard time reviewing NIN. Do some reviews here man!

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 08:17am


So joy division and new order are coming across as the real public campaigners this year. They all seem incredibly excited by the hall and Peter hook has suggested he would reunite with new order to perform (something the hall loves). They're also making a massive deal of the 40th anniversary of Blue Monday and highlighting how important that song is.

They're doing well in the fan vote too.

What do you all think of their chances and their campaign?

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 10:50am


Mat R,

I just don't see it for them (JD/NO) this year, I think that their lack of major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America will really hurt their chances of getting in FYN, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO, because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had much more major mainstream commercial success and much more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, JD/NO are much more closer to the Kate Bush/Devo/Pixies/The Replacements/The Smiths/Sonic Youth group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America than the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics/The B-52's/INXS/Billy Idol/The Bangles/Tears For Fears/Pet Shop Boys/Huey Lewis & The News/Culture Club group, JD/NO (like Kate Bush, Devo, Pixies, The Replacements, The Smiths and Sonic Youth) just didn't have the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club did, so I see them (JD/NO) having a really hard time getting voted in just like Kate Bush, Devo, The Replacements and The Smiths (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth as well), I think that JD/NO are gonna be more like Kate Bush, Devo, The Replacements and The Smiths (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth as well) and take multiple nominations to get voted in.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 11:46am


Richie

Gonna say this softly....stop lying about how big joy division and new order are.

New order had a good number of us pop hits and six number 1s between the alternative and dance charts. They had multiple gold records and a platinum selling best of in the US. They have also enjoyed a longer shelf life than a b52s or inxs, this is reflected in their streaming numbers. they arguably have as much name recognition today in America as Duran Duran or the cure.

Joy division also have aged well to the point where when people in the US vote to name the best songs ever 'love will team us apart' is often ranked super duper high. Again they have a number of streams more than some you mentioned and they're merchandise outsells the likes of Duran Duran easily in the US to the point Disney have parodied it.

I don't disagree about them missing maybe but please stop with that bullshit claim.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 13:01pm


I agree with Mat r. You're underestimating Joy Division/New Order. They are bigger than you think Richie. Everybody Knows Blue Monday and Love Will Tear Us Apart. Plus others like Bizarre Love Triangle and Regret. They are a dark horse this year.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 14:49pm


Richie,

Mat R & Greg F have both points to be fair, if they do 7 performers this year then JD/NO would very possibly be one of them.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:04pm


Plus The Cure & Depeche Mode were inducted in 2019 & 20 respectively in which is their 30th anniversaries of their iconic albums: Disintegration & Violator. Not to mention Duran Duran were inducted last year since Rio had reached 40 years as well.

So in my mind, JD/NO would pretty much be walk ons for this year's induction as both Mat & Greg stated their points & no doubt they will not only put on a great show but they also will steal the ceremony as a whole.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:11pm


Mat R,

But I'm not lying actually, I know the truth about JD/NO, Nick Bambach said this about them when he made his Top 100 Rock Hall Prospects project on his blog (https://www.audiovisualrepository.com) two years ago in 2021 where he ranked them at #9, Here's what he had to say about them (https:/www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/top100rockhallprospectsproject10-1):

This might be a controversial move for some, but I decided to combine the candidacies of Joy Division and New Order for this project. It makes sense on a few fronts, but New Order is essentially a continuation of Joy Division and they would've likely headed in the same musical direction regardless of the circumstances that followed. Both bands' impact on rock is vastly different, but they each became a pivotal and essential component of the post-punk scene. And given the band's minimal success here in the U.S., merging their candidacies---a la Parliament/Funkadelic---only strengthens their Rock Hall case and saves a lot of time and energy to honor them together. Even though Joy Division was only around for 3 years (just 2 studio albums and an EP), their legacy on the landscape of alternative music is undeniable. They arrived in the midst of punk's initial wave in the U.K. and took inspiration from its energy but they weren't punk rockers by any means. They instead created an atmospheric sound emphasizing a melancholic state-of-being and/or mood. Curtis, the band's primary songwriter, wrote dark and introspective lyrics that perfectly accompanied the band's disconsolate sounds. They sought inspiration from avant-garde and experimental rock that propelled them to the forefront of the post-punk scene by the end of the 1970s. Curtis' baritone vocals and the ambient sounds from the other members made them a winning combustion. Shortly before their first U.S. tour, Curtis tragically committed suicide and died at age 23, The remaining members kept the band's promise---even before Curtis' death--- that they would break up if any member left for any reason. They reformed, added keyboardist Gillian Gilbert to the lineup and renamed themselves New Order. Taking inspiration from the underground 80s dance club scene and adding synthesizers and other electronic-based technologies, it took a while for them to escape the looming shadow of Curtis' death. But New Order successfully bridged the gap between post-punk, synth pop and rock that made them one of the most popular and innovative bands of the 80s. They continued with a string of international hits, "Blue Monday" is still the best-selling 12" single in history, and become an entity in their own right. Even though both bands' influence cannot be understated, they achieved minimal success in the U.S. and---let's face it---that hurts their Rock Hall chances. It makes sense the Hall would give priority to bands such as The Cure and Depeche Mode as they're more household names, even if those bands were supremely influenced by Joy Division and New Order. Their more commercially-successful contemporaries (e.g., Duran Duran, Eurythmics) will likely receive more pressing consideration, but they have one thing most of those bands don't have: massive critical acclaim. Critics love their music and they have three albums featured on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums list: Unknown Pleasures (#211), Closer (#309) and Power, Corruption & Lies (#262). That's impressive for a band who obtained a cult following on their pathway to become post-punk legends. U2's Bono, in particular, is a noted fan of both bands and would serve as an excellent inductor for their joint induction. He apparently told a record executive years ago that U2 "would take over from Ian left off". Maybe Bono could heal the famously fractured relationship between bassist Peter Hook and the rest of New Order to show up, but even it's doubtful that'd happen given their past legal issues and drama. But a failed reunion at a ceremony would be filled with lots of regret.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:14pm


Mat R, Greg F and Jordan Einstein,

But I have to respectfully disagree with you guys, I think you're way overestimating JD/NO's chances this year, I think that The B-52's and INXS are much bigger than them in the U.S. and they would both have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO, because both The B-52's and INXS are much bigger names from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era than JD/NO, I think that JD/NO will be like Devo and The Smiths and they will have a really hard time getting voted in just like Devo and The Smiths.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:23pm


Again Richie I disagree for all the reasons Jordan, Mat and I have stated. Popularity in the U.S. while it might help but isn't necessary everything to the voters. It's not like totally obscure like you seem to impling and less popular acts in the U.S. have and get in.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:35pm


Roxy Music and T.Rex are not popular in America, like JD/NO. However, they are inducted in their first ballot.

Posted by ABC on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:41pm


Richie,

Then how come both of these acts aren't nominated this year & instead JD/NO are.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:43pm


ABC,

Also a good point!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:44pm


Greg F,

But Casper said this on Twitter last year when the 2022 inductees were announced on a couple of tweets (https://twitter.com/blacklodgedance/status/1521830325524987906 and https://twitter.com/blacklodgedance/status/1521922243013451776) and here's what he said:

This inductee crop tells us that the current voting body is very poptimist and populist, favoring all these acts (but not Warwick) over the more cutting edge, left of center acts that made up rest of ballot

Seems like the current voting body is a lot more populist than we thought given the inductees and the match with the Fan Vote

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:48pm


Also Richie, you stated your predictions that acts like George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Sheryl Crow, The White Stripes, Warren Zevon, Soundgarden & Willie Nelson being inducted as performers. Well only three or four of them (Zevon, WS, Nelson & Soundgarden) have a possible chance to earn the honor as of this year because let's face it some of these nominees (Michael, Lauper & Crow) only have their first tries & aren't as historically & culturally important like JD/NO. Not to mention they waited less longer than those dual bands.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:56pm


ABC,

Roxy Music and T. Rex weren't popular in America, however, Both bands had members that are/were very well-respected and well-known in the industry (Brian Eno and Bryan Ferry for Roxy Music and Marc Bolan for T. Rex), Also, Roxy Music appeared on Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Artists list in 2004 (They disappeared from the 2011 update) and T. Rex appeared on VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of All-Time list in 1998 (They disappeared from the 2010 update), So both bands had a lot of things going for them, JD/NO doesn't, I see them (JD/NO) being more like The Smiths and they will have a really hard time getting voted in with the current voting body.

Jordan Einstein,

Because The B-52's and INXS fit the mold of inducting big names from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era just like The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics did in recent years, I think that The B-52's and INXS are much bigger names from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era than JD/NO, As I've said it numerous times before, I think that JD/NO are going to be more like Devo and The Smiths than The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics and JD/NO will have a really hard time getting voted in with the current voting body. They just didn't have the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America that The B-52's and INXS did, so I see them struggling to get voted in and they will take multiple nominations to get voted in just like Devo and The Smiths.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 15:59pm


Hi Richie,
I happened to see you posted my write-up on Joy Division and New Order. Thank you for doing that but I wouldn't write-off their chances. I stand by what I wrote and others are entitled to their opinions but I do think JD/NO have a decent shot for induction this year. wouldn't have ranked them that high (top-ten no less) if I didn't think they had an extremely strong case. My logic to rank them above some of their contemporaries was that they are supremely influential in the post-punk landscape. It's virtually impossible to talk about that era of music and not mention JD and NO. Whether you love them or hate them, they are a towering presence on modern rock music. Personally speaking, Joy Division is one of my all-time favorite bands. When I recorded the "reaction to the 2023 nominees" episode for my podcast, I wore my "Unknown Pleasures" shirt. Just like any of the 13 other nominees this year, JD/NO *could* receive induction this year. I see them and Soundgarden as dark horse picks to maybe getting enough votes this year. Would I bet on it happening? No, especially when the competition is this competitive. Anything's possible and they could make it this year....who knows. If it happens they get enough votes, I would be so happy for them. Really...I would be happy with any of the 14 nominees receiving induction this year because they are all worthy of the honor. There's no right or wrong choices this year.

My suggestion to you, and to others on this forum, is to keep an open mind and see how things play out over the next two months. None of us have all the answers nor should we pretend like we do. I know I certainly don't. At the end of the day, we like the Rock Hall and all but at our very core, we're music fans. Induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is just an industry award and means very little in the grand scheme of things. They are creating a television special and selling a concert, an experience of sorts, to keep the museum (and their education programs) and their foundation alive and well. Induction is nice and all but it doesn't define an artist's career or even their legacy. Rather, it's more for their fans and allows them to justify that the artists they love and admire can be considered among the greatest, influential and/or groundbreaking artists of all time. It's about creating a canon and trying to tell the story and history of rock and roll and its ever-lasting impact on our culture and society. That's what the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is all about.

Posted by Nick B. on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 16:05pm


Jordan Einstein,

But I have to respectfully disagree with you on George Michael, Cyndi Lauper and Sheryl Crow, They're far more popular, far more commercially successful and they would sell more tickets and bring more ratings to HBO than JD/NO, As I've said it numerous times before, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's and INXS have had much more major mainstream commercial success and much more name recognition in America than JD/NO, so I see JD/NO having a really hard time getting voted in with the current voting body and they will take multiple nominations to get voted in just like Devo and The Smiths.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 16:07pm


Well Richie it's because the ballots over the last couple had a more poptimist names. This year's is split 50/50 between very popular acts and less popular acts. I wouldn't write off they're chances. If you still think that it's your opinion. Let's agree to disagree.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 16:13pm


Nick B.,

Thank you for answering my question, It sure means a lot to me, Anyway, What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you have as potential spoilers?.

Greg F,

Yes, I still think that it's my opinion, I would write off JD/NO's chances this year, I think that Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden,The White Stripes and Warren Zevon are much more likely to get in this year than JD/NO and Kate Bush (as a Performer, She'll still get in this year via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 16:23pm


Richie - I don't have predictions at this time. There will likely be a blog on that towards the end of April.

Posted by Nick B. on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 16:38pm


Well Richie,

It can happen with JD/NO too & you're just looking quantity over quality. Also the reason why The Smiths hasn't been inducted following so far 2 nominations is because Morrissey & his somewhat controversial remarks about various things & that basically why they haven't been back on the ballot. Devo on the other hand, is because their music is somewhat too quirky for the voters tastes & because Kraftwerk didn't get voted in.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 17:01pm


I have nothing else to say Richie. It's your opinion and that's fine. I don't see the point in continuing to argue with you. You're just going to repeat the same arguments over and over. We'll just continue to argue in circles.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 17:11pm


Also Richie,

You're entitled to your opinion but not entitled to tell what everyone else opinions should be. End of discussion grovler!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 17:17pm


Greg F and Jordan Einstein,

How long have you guys been Rock Hall watchers for?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 17:21pm


I've been a Hall Watcher since the 2010 induction ceremony.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 17:36pm


I've been an on-and-off watcher from 2006 to 2017. 2017 is when I properly became a hall watcher.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 18:25pm


I've been a watcher since 2019

Also anyone know when the inductees might be announced?

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 18:40pm


Raichu,

Ballots are due back on April 28 (also the same day that the fan vote ends), so probably in early May, Probably May 3.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 18:44pm


Mat r,

The interesting thing to note is that Peter Hook is perhaps the most outspoken in excitement over potentially being in the hall of any of the nominees this year. Believes is a great tribute to Ian, which has been one of major goals of doing for the past decade, and he's willing to put beef aside to do their induction right.

The other 3 members still in New Order? They haven't even commented on this at all. No mention on social media or interviews or anything else when they are very active promoting anniversaries and releases. I'm not sure they want to be in this or show up. They always found typically celebrity glam to be ridiculous, they stayed on indie labels until Factory blew up, and they directly came from Sex Pistols influence and we know how they reacted to being inducted. They've never been heavily part of that music industry and that's why their first nomination has taken so long to happen

They will be inducted either this nomination or next, and will any members but Hook show up will be one of the interesting questions. I can see the rest showing up and doing a one-night reunion. I could see just Hook showing up and The Light playing a set instead. Who knows.

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 20:03pm


Guest

New order and joy division's various social media accounts have shared news and expressed excitement on social media (mostly via stories) a few times. I think they've done one interview since and it was a simple 5 min radio spot on the BBC which is excusable. However, I'd note they very much in the public space and doing a similar thing to Lionel Richie last year where they are endlessly visible via a happy accident but are not making the rock hall the talking point and like Richie they've ramped up their visibility post nomination (like they don't play politics but out of no where they're doing BBC interviews the same day they're announced as headlining one of Europe's biggest festivals right as rock hall ballots are being mailed out) so yea they're campaigning or at least their label and Booking agents are for them.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/7/2023 @ 22:40pm


Let's go back to talking non-Rock Hall stuff:

What are your musical heroes/influences/mentors?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 00:13am


I've said it before, and Richie has disagreed with me multiple times, Joy Division/New Order are far more popular in America than they are given credit for. They, along with Depeche Mode and the Cure, really set the stage for early alternative rock. I seriously doubt their clout will be ignored by the voters, who, remember, are voting for their peers. It makes all the sense in the world they will follow Duran Duran and the Eurythmics into the RRHOF.

I've been a Rock Hall Watcher since I believe about 2008, to answer the question.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 03:18am


Ben,

Who do you want me to review? I will give my take on Nine Inch Nails. All the music we listen to and grow attached to, we have a tendency to label it. NIN gets called "industrial rock", but what exactly is it? They are also Internet rock (the progenitors of that genre), heavy metal, and one of my favorite genres I hope gets some representation soon, Nu Metal. Trent Reznor is a genius far ahead of his time. Yes, "Closer" has lyrics that can be viewed as disturbing, but that song put them on the collective conscious' map. Their influence cannot be ignored, yet the Hall had no idea what to do with them for a decade. They literally are a pioneer that at the time, no one knew where things were going, and they have been the inspiration to try countless new things beyond traditional guitar rock or simple keyboards. They are associated with the advent of this great medium that brought us together and introduced us to things we may never have experienced being limited to terrestrial radio and its insufferable repetition and attention to metrics of "most popular". Music went from being very segregated and cliquish to literally uniting and able to enjoy sounds from all over the world. And NIN was one of the first to capitalize on that.

I'll touch on some hip hop tomorrow. Who do you want...2 Pac, Jay-Z or Eminem?

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 03:31am


K-Dawg,

This is the 2020 class. Cover and review Notorious BIG. I am doing the reviews of 2020-2022
classes. I of course reviewed Doobie Brothers. well. They are from my original era. You just did dynamite with NIN. Cover Biggie Smallz as sooon as you are able.
This is 2020 class only.

2020 class of RNR Hall of Fame

Depeche Mode
Doobie Brothers
NIN
Notorious BIG
T Rex
Whitney Houston

ONLY review any of these. So chooose Hip Hop/rap star Biggie Smallz who is of course Notorious BIG. I do slightly better with Biggie than NIN personally. Its the Rap/R&B influence at work. Most of the workers are fine African American workers. But they are Not all that young. Heyyy I know Biggie is from the 1990s. Ive learned more about Biggie Smallz at work. I grew up with the Doors, Allman Brothers B, G Dead, E Clapton. Earth, Wind & Fire, Stevie Wonder, the Spinners, Steely Dan, etc etc. And so some ones like Green Day, Radiohead, Biggie.
In other words REVIEW Biggie Smalls. I dont think I reviewed him too bad, I do know Juicy and Big Poppa. Back during 1994 95 I only knew Alternative rock, all my Classic rock and the Folk and Jazz.

REVIEW again Biggie. You can to a great job on him. My Biggie review is NOT real short BUT yu can handle it in an awesome way.

Hear from Ya on NOTORIOUS BIG

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 04:53am


How big of a lock are The White Stripes? They have the critical acclaim, memorable songs (Seven Nation Army), and respect in the industry (Jack White especially). Plus, there's the potential for a reunion between Jack & Meg White at the ceremony. Plus, I can see old white boomers voting for them considering they kept garage rock alive in the 2000s.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 08:38am


K-Dawg,

But I have to respectfully disagree with you on JD/NO, They are not far more popular in America than they are given credit for. The B-52's and INXS are far more popular in America than them by a mile and they would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO, The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics are far more popular in America than them by a mile as well, I think that their lack of major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America will really hurt their chances of getting in FYN, I think that their clout will be ignored by the voters, because they're not as well-known in America as The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics (and The B-52's and INXS) are, so I see them (JD/NO) being more of a Devo/The Smiths situation than a The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics situation and they (JD/NO) will fail to get voted in because of their lack of major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 08:44am


Garrick,

As much as I love The White Stripes, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYE especially if Radiohead couldn't back in 2018, so for that reason, I think that The White Stripes will get the Radiohead treatment and I think that they will wait a year just like Radiohead did and they will get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 08:50am


Richie

You keep citing radiohead and ignoring foo fighters happened. White stripes are a weird cross between the two.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 09:08am


Mat R,

Foo Fighters are much more closer to Nirvana, Green Day and Pearl Jam, while The White Stripes are much more closer to Radiohead than Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam and Foo Fighters, Those 4 bands that I mentioned (Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam and Foo Fighters) all got in FYE pretty easy, while Radiohead couldn't get in FYE back in 2018 so I see The White Stripes getting the Radiohead treatment and I think that they will wait a year just like Radiohead did and they will get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did back in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 09:15am


Richie

No white stripes are a lot more straight forward rock than radiohead and Jack white runs in similar circles to Dave Grohl.

On top of that the radiohead miss was considered a turning point for the hall. They were kind of humiliated by it and it's influenced the changes we've seen heavily. They don't want it to happen again.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 09:56am


Mat R,

But I have to respectfully disagree with you on The White Stripes, I think they're more like Radiohead than Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam and Foo Fighters, I see them getting the Radiohead treatment than getting the Nirvana/Green Day/Pearl Jam/Foo Fighters treatment, I think that they will wait a year just like Radiohead did and they will get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 10:09am


Ok Richie

Are you talking profile wise or sound wise? Cause sound wise this makes no sense. Radiohead abandoned rock in favour of a variant of Aphex twin meets Sigur ros while white stripes kept rock to the core?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 10:24am


Mat R,

No, I'm not talking about profile wise or sound wise, It's just because I just have a really hard time seeing The White Stripes getting in FYE especially if Radiohead couldn't back in 2018, Yes, Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam and Foo Fighters all got in FYE, but they were more hugely popular major mainstream modern rock acts than both Radiohead and The White Stripes, The White Stripes are more indie (just like Radiohead), so I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYE especially if Radiohead couldn't back in 2018, so for that reason, I see them getting the Radiohead treatment and I think that they will wait a year just like Radiohead did and they will get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did back in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 10:33am


Richie here's the problem: radiohead are the biggest of the 3 kind of across the board.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 10:46am


Mat R,

Radiohead are not bigger than Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam and Foo Fighters, They only had one hit (Creep), while the others had a lot more hits and sold more records than Radiohead, So no, Radiohead are not bigger than Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam and Foo Fighters, Not even close.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 10:54am


Richie

They are bigger than the foo fighters. They've sold more records and have more people listening to them regularly (19.5m vs 18.5m). They don't apply for RIAA awards but they have as many million sellers as foo fighters. They also had way more than one hit, creep isn't even they're highest charting pop single.

White stripes also have objectively the biggest song of the 4 bands in question and that song missed top 40 btw.

Also what do we make of this

https://www.instagram.com/p/CpiRihOu3YL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 11:11am


Mat R,

But I have to respectfully disagree with you on Radiohead and Foo Fighters, Foo Fighters has had way more hits than Radiohead did, As I've said it before, Radiohead only has that one hit (Creep), while Foo Fighters have had a lot of hits, Also, The White Stripes don't have the biggest song (Seven Nation Army) out of the 5 bands, Not even close, Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit is bigger than any song by any of the other bands by far, Not even close.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 11:19am


Mat r,

Definitely a Chaka back door entry this year like that HAS to mean something

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 11:19am


As someone who doesn't like the majority of radioheads work, they are definitely at least on the same caliber as the foos

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 11:21am


Richie

I meant 3 bands (curse the lack of edit button)

And no radiohead don't have one hit that's absurd to say. They also have the biggest album of the 3 bands.

Anyways Chaka

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 11:22am


Will M,
I have reviewed Old classes for variety to chats. How about reviews for 2020 class. NIN
NOTORIOUS BIG

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 11:34am


I have to agree with you guys, I think that Chaka is finally getting Musical Excellence this year along with Kate Bush, as well as she should be.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 11:36am


yea doing something for the hall this close to the announcement, having them highlight your nominations, and having them highlight the 2023 stuff definitely feels like a set up for something.

i do wonder if they'll do musical excellence as priest, ll, and nile kind of suggest it's a jury prize among nominees. early influence could be in play here.

wonder how many side inductees we'll see

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 12:54pm


What are Sheryl Crow's chances this year? I'm not going to act like I'm the biggest fan of her music (I find all of the other female nominees to be far more musically interesting than her), but she has the industry connections and we all know she'll show up to the ceremony. She's one of 10 artists the Rock Hall has on speed dial.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 13:19pm


Mat R

I don't know if Sheryl will get inducted or not because she's pretty divisive among rock hall voters as far as I know.

Vulture did an interview with two anonymous hall voters on who they would vote for. They have some nice, some not-so-nice takes on the artists that are on the ballot.

https://www.vulture.com/2023/03/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2023-voters-share-ballots.html

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 13:26pm


Sorry, my reply was meant for Garrick, not Mat R

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 13:27pm


Garrick

Crow seems likely. Probably the safest bet after Michael and Nelson but still not an outright lock I think. The hall does have an exhibit on her right now however and I can't picture them doing that if they weren't confident in her.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 13:29pm


Garrick,

I think that Sheryl has a great chance this year, I think that she and Cyndi Lauper will be the female inductees from the Performer category this year with Kate Bush and Chaka Khan both getting inducted via Musical Excellence this year as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 14:19pm


Richie, look past your narrow view of music popularity. Just because they didn't sustain into the 90s and just because you don't hear their songs on the oldies station doesn't mean JD/NO is any less relevant and belonging ASAP to the RRHOF and they will get in easily this year, I'm gonna stick to.

Sheryl Crow is an outlier, much like Kate Bush. With the recent surge in attention being paid to women equality in the RRHOF, she has a shot. However, my intution tells me Cyndi Lauper is a major favorite, and if there's another female solo act, Kate Bush is in the drivers seat. Crow checks the "rocker" label, and that's all well and good, but I see her as having an outside chance on an absolutely stacked list, one that also includes Misdemeanor Elliott.

Per Ben's request, I'll try to do a writeup on Biggie tonight. Some interesting thoughts on this one..

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 16:36pm


K-Dawg,

But I have to respectfully disagree with you on JD/NO, I don't see them getting in this year, maybe after The B-52's, INXS and Devo, but not this year.

I think that Kate Bush is going to get the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 16:46pm


Am I the only one that sees Soundgarden as a possibility as an inductee? Seems like they are steady and well right now.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 17:27pm


Plebeian,

I think that Soundgarden will get in this year, I think that out of the returning nominees this year, I think that they stand the best chance of getting in this year as Performers, plus they're once again in the top five of the fan vote also helps them as well, Kate Bush will get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 17:39pm


richie,

I don't know if I did. My Condollences to on the passing of your Grandma. Also prayers for your mother in her VERYY hard time with Cancer. That's always a terrible disease. Me and my wife lost a goood friend to CANCER in JULY. She was gone all of a sudden. Take care of your mother and I give lots of prayers

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 17:58pm


My thoughts

Lock
George Michael
Willie Nelson

Seemingly lock
Sheryl Crow

Competitive
Warren Zevon
Joy division/new order
White stripes
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
Kate Bush
Missy Elliott

Dark horse
The spinners
Rage against the machine
Iron maiden

Probably not
A tribe called quest

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 18:14pm


Here's my rankings on this year's nominees in order of likelihood of induction this year and they are:

1. Willie Nelson
2. George Michael
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. Warren Zevon
5. Sheryl Crow
6. Soundgarden
7. The White Stripes
8. Missy Elliott
9. Joy Division/New Order
10. Kate Bush
11. The Spinners
12. Rage Against The Machine
13. Iron Maiden
14. A Tribe Called Quest

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 18:31pm


Does anyone think Paramore is a FYI? They have the memorable songs and longevity considering how critically acclaimed their most recent album is. Plus, Hayley Williams has always kept herself busy and relevant.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 19:06pm


Garrick

I would be mad if Paramore doesn't get in 10 years after their first album because they've been one of my favorite bands since high school. Their album Riot and their song Misery Business was on heavy rotation back in my junior year of high school when it first came out. By the year 2030, I see the rock hall being dominated by both 90s and 2000s acts. In terms of rock, the 2000s was dominated by emo / pop punk. If My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy get inducted in 10 years, then Paramore should get in as well because they were part of that wild, crazy moment in that decade.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 19:31pm


I'm pretty confident in a devo AME. They just announced a farewell tour, and their absence from this years ballot, after 2 consecutive years and 1 prior nom, as well as Dave grohls heavy pushing. It all seems to be a perfect setup for an AME back door. Obviously they'd want a Dave Grohl induction speech, although a Byrne or weird al would make much more sense

Posted by Will m on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 19:32pm


I'm pretty confident in a devo AME. They just announced a farewell tour, and their absence from this years ballot, after 2 consecutive years and 1 prior nom, as well as Dave grohls heavy pushing. It all seems to be a perfect setup for an AME back door. Obviously they'd want a Dave Grohl induction speech, although a Byrne or weird al would make much more sense

Posted by Will m on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 19:32pm


Elle Dee,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and What are your predictions for the side categories as well?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 19:33pm


I meant 25 years after Paramore's first album came out. Man, I wish there was an edit button so that I could edit stuff.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 19:37pm


Paramore probably aren't first ballot in fact I don't think any of the emo bands are first ballot acts largely because rage still isn't in after 4 nominations (on their 4th now) and nine inch nails and Depeche mode took 3 nominations each plus Beck missed on his first try. I can't picture genres as dismissed and divisive as emo, pop punk, nu metal, and 99% of indie walking into the hall within a decade of eligibility unless a massive overhaul of the voting body happens

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 19:38pm


Will M,

I think that Kate Bush will get the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment and she'll get in as Musical Excellence instead of as a Performer this year, I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 19:38pm


I am here to cover and review Depeche Mode. They were next act shown at 2020 RNR hall Special.

Depeche Mode

I can respect that they have a large body of work. But they are not my thing. I was NOT into Much Electro pop New wave at all during the 80s. I do like some New Wave like Duran D, B52s and Simple Minds. As big as Depeche Mode are I was at odds with them during my time of Arena and hard rock at same, time. But they have their place in the RNR Hall of Fame.
Depeche Mode came to rise bringing the band onto the British new wave scene. They recorded A Broken Frame as a trio. Martin Gore took over as main songwriter and later, in 1982, Alan Wilder replaced Clarke, establishing a lineup that continued for 13 years. The band's last albums of the 1980s, Black Celebration and Music for the Masses, established them as a dominant force within both the electronic and alternative scenes. They had a bunch of touts. My New wave friends In early 1990, they released Violator, an international mainstream success. They were nominated in 2017 and 2018. And then inducted in 2020.
I guess Just Cant Get Enough is Ok. But I have never owned any Depeche Mode album. But I have always known they are one of the most known New wave groups of all time. The Hall wanted to include Electronic music. Charlize Theron inducted or was the speaker for Depeche Mode. She was a huge fan back in the day during early 90s. I was never a fan. Not my thing. Nobody likes every single person in music. Go ahead Will M or somebody

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 19:55pm


Ritchie,

This......is.......tough.

If there's one thing that I've learned from the 2020 class induction (when both Dave Matthews Band and Pat Benatar didn't get inducted that year despite being in first and second place in the fan vote) and 20222 midterm elections is that anything could happen.

Let's see:

1. Willie Nelson : easy reason - he's an American icon, very prolific, pop culture figure, his music transcends beyond country.

2. George Michael : Huge pop star in the 80s and 90s with Wham! and his solo career. Every Christmas year, people are constantly reminded what an amazing singer he was with the Wham! Christmas classic "Last Christmas". Aside from his own solo hits, he earned a lot of cred from his peers because of his collaborations with the biggest and the best - Aretha, Elton John, Queen, etc.

3. Cyndi Lauper : Pretty simple reason - the rock hall wants to continue with inducting big acts that are part of the golden age of the MTV era in the 80s. First it was the Go-Go's, then Durran Durran, Pat Benatar, and Eurythmics. So, they're going to continue that pattern with Cyndi.

4. Missy Elliott : I read somewhere that the hall is going to celebrate 50 years of hip-hop. It'll be only fitting for Missy to be inducted. Missy was one of the biggest names in hip-hop back in the late 90s and 2000s. Her style is very distinctive and unique. She influenced a whole crop of female rappers that came after her.

This is where things get really, really complicated

5. Soundgarden : The hall inducted Nirvana and Pearl Jam already, so there are more bands that are important to the Grunge movement that still need to get inducted including Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Hole (unless the hall doesn't hate Courtney Love). The hall needs more Grunge acts for induction. Plus, Chris Cornell was a highly celebrated singer and his legacy continues to live on through social media posts and artists name-dropping him as an influence.

6. Sheryl Crow : Let's face it - the hall loves her. She shows up to ceremonies many, many times. Plus, they propably want to see her and Willie Nelson perform together on stage at the 2023 ceremony as inductees because Sheryl and Willie are frequent collaborators.

7. Warren Zevon : As other music commentators already pointed out, Warren Zevon is really the only person on the ballot that's part of the classic rock era. Granted, I don't know that much about Warren Zevon aside from Werewolves of London, but from what I've read about him he has a loyal cult following and widely respected by people in the industry (who are also his friends) including Billy Joel (his #1 cheerleader), Jackson Browne, Bruce Springsteen, etc. I can see them heavily campaigning for his induction.

Musical Excellence

Kate Bush - Honestly, it makes sense that she would be in this category instead of the performers category because she's not much of a live performer. Her entire reputation is her being a studio-only artist. She only toured twice, she performed live on U.S. television once, and her European live television performers during the 70's, 80s, and early 90s were few and far between. She's known for her albums and music videos, not as a live performer. What really helps her case to be inducted is her making history with Running Up That Hill in 2022. She broke numerous records with that song thanks to Stranger Things. That raised her profile a little bit.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 20:47pm


I got bored so I predicted who inducts who

George Michael (Sam smith)
Willie Nelson (Jeff tweedy, for the music, or Snoop Dogg, for the weed)
Sheryl Crow (Courtney cox - they're friends who have worked together plus Cox is a nice NYC/Hollywood mix)
Warren Zevon (peter buck)
Joy division/new order (James Murphy or Damon Albarn)
White stripes (Wayne Coyne)
Cyndi Lauper (a McMahon probably Stephanie and Triple H)
Soundgarden (Kevin parker - kind of the successor of the modern psychedelic rock god)
Kate Bush (Bjork - no shit)
Missy Elliott (Jennifer Lopez)
The spinners (Questlove)
Rage against the machine (Bruce Springsteen - lol)
Iron maiden (Corey Taylor)
A tribe called quest (Tyler, the creator)

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 21:58pm


Elle Dee,

Your predictions are spot on (same with ABC's predictions), My predictions are Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden and Warren Zevon with Kate Bush being inducted via Musical Excellence as well, I see these being the acts that will get in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 22:39pm


Very cool Mat R,

Here's my predictions on presenters for whom ever is going to be inducted this year.

Peter Gabriel - Kate Bush
Melissa Etheridge - Sheryl Crow
Lizzo - Missy Elliott
Lady Gaga - Iron Maiden
Billy Corgan or Trent Reznor - Joy Division/New Order
Ingrid Michaelson - Cyndi Lauper
Elton John - George Michael
Chris Stapleton - Willie Nelson
Mike Shinoda - Rage Against the Machine
Jerry Cantrell - Soundgarden
Elvis Costello - The Spinners
Beck - The White Stripes
David Letterman - Warren Zevon

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 03/8/2023 @ 23:19pm


I dont think anyone will take much interest in the Ahmet Ertegun awards for 2020. BUT you never know. There was 2 people awarded this Award

Irving Azoff

Irving Azoff is an American entertainment executive and chairman of Full Stop Management, which represents recording artists. Back in the 1970s he signed Chicago, Joe Walsh and Dan Fogelberg. Heyyy Dan Fogelberg needs to be inducted into the RnR Hall O F. In the mid-1980s, he brought success to MCA Records.

Since September 2013, he has been chairman and CEO of Azoff MSG Entertainment, a venture with The Madison Square Garden Company. Prior to this he served as chairman and CEO of Ticketmaster Entertainment and was executive chairman of Live Nation Entertainment and CEO of Front Line Management. He is on the board of a couple of music companies.

In 2012, he topped Billboard's Power 100 and was named the most powerful person in the music industry.
His Giant Records released the soundtrack album for the film New Jack City, selling 16 million copies worldwide. The label signed such acts as MC Hammer, Jade, Lord Finesse. He also signed established acts such as Steely Dan, Warren Zevon, Oingo Boingo, Chicago, Deep Purple, Morbid Angel. Warren Zevon and Morbid Angel were on the same label. Very interesting.

Jon Landau

Jon Landau is an American music critic, manager, and record producer. He has worked with Bruce Springsteen as all 3. He is the head of the nominating committee for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and received the Hall's Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement in 2020.
Other artists that Landau has managed or produced include Jackson Browne, Natalie Merchant, Alejandro Escovedo, Train,and Shania Twain. Does anyone here know Natalie Merchant and Alejandro Escovedo? I bet there is some.

Ok those are the Ahmet Ertegun awards. These are for Lifetime Achievement. Non music people are the focus that are important in Music industry

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 03:37am


I'm biased as I looooovvveeee Paramore, so I think they should be FYI. That said, I don't see it (unless they can come out with another album that goes way beyond Riot!). So many great bands/acts that haven't made it yet. I feel they will get in some day, but Hayley may be in her 70s when that happens.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 05:27am


Thoughts on Zevon, a guy with pretty much 1 known song, being top 3 in the fan vote?

Just a clear lane and big cult fanbase or something more?

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 10:19am


Richie,

I forgot to mention this about Sheryl Crow while predicting the seven inductees:

While Sheryl seems like an easy lock, she does have a problem. While she's a friend of the hall, she's going to have a tough time with voters because she's divisive. The main argument is that she's "overrated", "unworthy", or "not influential nor groundbreaking" to be an inductee. Someone pointed out that if you take Sheryl Crow out of the music equation, nothing changes. But if you take Kate Bush, Cyndi Lauper, and Missy Elliott out of the music equation, a lot would change. That's why I placed her along with Soundgarden and Warren Zevon as my complicated prediction for the last three of my prediction of the seven inductees because, on one hand, Sheryl was one of the best women rockers in mainstream music in the 90s along with Melissa Etheridge and Alanis Morrissette. But on the other hand, what Sheryl was doing was not different from Melissa, Bonnie Raitt, Lucinda Williams, or even Rickie Lee Jones for that matter (another artist that should've been inducted already). Sheryl is more of a singles artist than an album artist. Sheryl has great songs, but does she have a great album that's impactful? That's the question these rock hall voters are asking to figuring out the case for Sheryl to be an inductee.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 10:57am


Elle Dee,

One thing that helps Sheryl is she has an exhibit coming at the museum called Soak Up The Sun: The Music Of Sheryl Crow opening on March 23, so I think that will help her greatly this year not to mention that she inducted Pat Benatar and performed for Dolly Parton last year at the 2022 induction ceremony, so yeah, I think that she's getting in this year, As well as she should be.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 11:16am


To be honest, I would have much preferred a more interesting artist to be nominated like PJ Harvey, Fiona Apple, or even Alanis Morissette (I know she has problems with the Hall) over Sheryl. Sheryl is just so dull by comparison to not only those three names I mentioned but all the other women nominated this year as well. If I had a ballot, she would be the last person I would vote for.

And yeah I know I'm coming off as mean-spirited with this comment, and nothing against her as a person, but if I attended the ceremony and she was being inducted, her induction would be the part of the show where I would get up and go to the bathroom.

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 11:20am


Richie,

I think Sheryl is going to get in, but it's not going to be easy. I was looking at the fan vote a few minutes ago. I'm shocked that she's low in the fan vote at ninth place. I'm even more shocked that Kate Bush is right above her at eighth place. I thought Sheryl would've been, at least, in the top five or top seven of the fan vote.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 11:24am


I feel like again people are misreading Sheryl Crow and ignoring what's afoot right now in music. Like beyond just being a friend Sheryl right now is kind of one of the real mother's of modern rock like boygenius (aka 3 of the most exciting talents in rock today), who were just in the cover of rolling stone, literally just dropped a song heavily and openly influenced by Sheryl who all 3 members have professed a deep love of.

And beyond that, we're talking about 2 voters. She's not that divisive when you remember she's on the RS500 albums.

Like let's be real here..... we're basically talking about a female Tom petty or Dave Grohl here.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 11:35am


Elle dee

I'm not shocked Kate Bush is ahead of sheryl. Kate Bush has an insane fanbase.

I also don't think Sheryl is competing bush, Missy, or Cyndi. I think her competition is Zevon, white stripes, and Soundgarden

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 11:42am


Elle Dee,

besides Kate Bush in Musical Excellence, Which others do you see being inducted from the side categories (Ahmet Ertegun Award, Early Influence and Musical Excellence) this year as well?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 11:51am


It's so funny that you mention early influence because I was watching a video on Youtube from a channel called Track X Track. It's a video where he reacts the nominees and predicts the inductees. At the end of the video, he made the bold prediction that Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, Willie Nelson, Rage Against the Machine, The Spinners, and A Tribe Called Quest as inductees and said that it's possible for Willie Nelson to be inducted into the early influence category and Iron Maiden in musical excellence.

I don't know about that. I stand by my own prediction with the seven nominees and Kate Bush being musical excellence. As far as early influence?? I heard about the hall awarding a rap artist with an early influence award as part of them celebrating hip-hop's 50th anniversary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vkpwBrqk4U&t=504s

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 12:04pm


Elle Dee,

Yes, Alan Light said on Tony Kiriluk (aka Shrek)'s podcast Road To Jamnation on Spotify that he's pushing the Early Influence committee to induct DJ Kool Herc this year in celebration of Hip-Hop's 50th anniversary this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 12:09pm


Richie

I think it's really cool

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 12:17pm


Elle Dee,

Chaka Khan will be stopping by the museum for a special interview with Rock Hall Director of Curatorial & Artist Relations, Shelby Morrison on Wednesday, March 29 celebrating both Chaka's 50th anniversary in the music industry and her 70th birthday, In addition, Five outfits from Chaka's iconic 50-year career will be added to the Legends Of Rock exhibit, So does that mean that they're setting her up to get in via Musical Excellence this year alongside Kate Bush?.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 12:30pm


Curious

Why aren't people thinking of Sheryl as in competition with the rock acts?

Like she is the biggest (both name and sales wise) rock act on the ballot. Like if I'm Eddie trunk and I've used three spots for Soundgarden, rage, and Zevon I'm probably picking between Zevon, stripes, and Crow for those last two spots and she's got the popularity to easily justify her over the cult hero and indie darling.

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 12:30pm


Mat R,

In my opinion, Sheryl is really competing with the women because she is in an unfortunate situation, as a female artist, where the rock hall is pretty sexist. They don't induct enough women and they don't equal the balance of inductees being three men and three women. Usually it would be five men and one or two or three women.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 13:09pm


Richie,

If Chaka Khan gets inducted into musical excellence along with Kate Bush, I will be very happy. I love Chaka Khan. She should've been inducted a long time ago. Just yesterday, I was listening to Chaka's song Papillon and her song with Rufus Stay and her vocal performance on those two songs always lift up my spirit

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 13:17pm


Elle dee

Historically yes but that last two classes have suggested something: women in the rock genre are as likely to rock bands and male rock artists and are getting the Eddie trunk vote.

The last 2 classes saw Tina and the go-gos and Pat, all known for their work mostly in rock, get in agaisnt male dominated rock bands like mc5, rage, Devo, and Maiden. We also saw Eddie trunk pick pat benetar over Beck and Devo.

This doesn't seem to a women in genre lane but a woman in rock lane and there's only 1 act on the ballot who most would a woman in rock and she's also the biggest and most broadly appealing rock artist on the ballot.

On top of that someone isn't torn between Kate Bush and Sheryl Crow. A bush vote is likely devided with exciting alt stuff like jd/no or white stripes than boring Sheryl Crow.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 13:30pm


I'm in the boat that would vote for Kate Bush and JD/NO over someone like Sheryl Crow or Lionel Richie. I'm a sucker for classic alternative, new wave, and alt-rock.

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 14:05pm


And for those who didn't see, Troy Smith ranked the 2023 nominees from most to least deserving.

https://www.axios.com/local/cleveland/2023/03/01/2023-rock-roll-nominees-ranked

His list goes:

1) Joy Division/New Order
2) Willie Nelson
3) Kate Bush
4) George Michael
5) The White Stripes
6) Missy Elliot
7) Iron Maiden
8) Cyndi Lauper
9) Warren Zevon
10) Rage Against the Machine
11) Soundgarden
12) A Tribe Called Quest
13) The Spinners
14) Sheryl Crow

What do you think?

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 14:09pm


Garrick

Mostly agree but spinners over Sheryl is weird. Gbh I kinda feel like people are blah on her cause she's like I dunno the most suburban wine and or soccer mom seeming artist here. Carly and Lionel were there last year

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 16:19pm


There will be in lack of new solid new artists who make debut after 2000. I think no 00's artists are sure FYN. Therefore, I think the rock hall will mainly focus on induct massive artists in 80s and 90s from 2025 to 2040.

Posted by Power on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 18:19pm


See this:https://www.vulture.com/2023/03/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2023-voters-share-ballots.html

They think JD/NO have high chance and is almost a lock to be inducted.

However, I am not that optimistic.

Posted by Power on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 18:23pm


https://futurerocklegends.com/Revisited_Projected_Rankings/

I also think the rock rank in futurerocklegends should be ranked again because the past rank is old and seems not meet the result of rock and roll hall of fame induction.

Posted by Power on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 18:24pm


Here's the current vote totals in the 2023 public ballot tracker so far and they are:

At 55.56% of the vote and on 5 ballots so far is A Tribe Called Quest.
At 44.44% of the vote and on 4 ballots so far are Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden and Warren Zevon.
At 33.33% of the vote and on 3 ballots so far are Kate Bush and Missy Elliott.
At 22.22% of the vote and on 2 ballots so far is The Spinners.
At 11.11% of the vote and on 1 ballot so far are Rage Against The Machine and The White Stripes.
At 0.00% of the vote and on zero ballots so far is Sheryl Crow.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 19:09pm


Power

Soft disagree

Rock and rap wise yes especially since Kanye is gonna be blacklisted and win bulter got outed as a creep. both genres kind of enter the pits. The Killers, drake, vampire weekend, m.i.a., and kid kudi will get in quick.

Pop and rnb wise 100% we'll see people get first ballot. Beyonce, Alicia Keys, Rihanna, taylor swift, Pink, maroon 5, john mayer, Justin Timberlake, Amy Winehouse, Adele, and lady gaga, Kelly Clarkson, john legend, and I'd say Carrie Underwood will all get in super fast.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/9/2023 @ 19:23pm


richie,

I hope you well or doing better. I just want to know what happened? You suggested I do 2020-2022 classes. But You have neglected too. You said this would variate the chats. Give us something else to talk about. You have said you think that I should do the 2020-2022 classes, This would be something to talk about for a while, so yeah. Thats what you were claiming. You are however taken up with family so maybe you will I hope.

So far Its been 2020 class with
Doobie Brothers
NIN
Notorious BIG
Depeche Mode

Review those if yu can

Also K-Dawg. Im looking forward to a Biggie review. I seem to find K-dawg you are da man for NIN and Biggie. Look forward to reviews. I will cover the next act soon. A key Glam rock band. T-Rex. HEAR from ya both and anyone perhaps

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 03:07am


Joy Division/New Order
Voter 1: ​I won't be voting for them because this is part of my strategic vote — I think they're going to get a lot of votes. Their legacy is something that a lot of people in the music industry value to their heart. The Joy Division and New Order diptych is very influential and not just in New Wave, but also in synth-pop as a whole. New Order was birthed out of that crucible. Songs like "Blue Monday" had this kind of touchstone effect. I think that putting them together is going to make them more of a lock to get in.

Voter 2: I was around for all that in the '80s — they had big hits and were really important to post-punk and New Wave. You still hear these songs today in everything. They end up on movie soundtracks and commercials. I'll probably be voting for them. There's so many big hit records. You've got "Blue Monday" and "Love Will Tear Us Apart." What I want to point to again is, how many groups were influenced by their sound? The answer is a lot. Even a group like Depeche Mode owes them.

It seems that two voters are very high on JD/NO

Posted by Power on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 05:52am


Power

They each own an unknown pleasures t-shirt and a jean jacket with power corporation lies printed on the back

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 07:06am


KING QUESTION OF THE DAY. March 10, 2023.
Do you think Meat Loaf has the music qualifications to be a Rock & Roll HOF inducted artist? Would you vote for Meat Loaf if he was a Nominee on a future ballot?

KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 13:40pm


King

Yes and if I had a ballot maybe depends on the ballot.

Like if he was up against Bjork, Wu tang, Weezer, Nilsson, and Misfits nah

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 14:57pm


Meat Loaf falls a bit short for me. If he were on this year's ballot I don't think I'd even consider throwing him a vote, as I think nearly everyone on the ballot is more deserving than he is. I suspect that would be the case most years. I'm not against Meat Loaf, I just think it would just take quite a weak ballot for him to get in.

Count me in as rooting for JD/NO to get in this year. They are my favorite artist on the ballot this year and among the most respected as well, and I think they have a realistic chance of induction. I know some people think certain artists are locks for induction but to me this ballot is as hard to predict as any in recent memory. A reasonable case could be made for or against any of this year's nominees and there doesn't seem to be much more clarity now than when the noms were announced. Don't know if they'll make it, but JD/NO has as good a shot as any to earn induction. (Richie, I am aware of your perspective on this so a response from you is not required.)

Along those lines, I have no clue as to whether or not Sheryl Crow is getting in. She's certainly got the name recognition, connections, and a few memorable songs. But she's not going to score very high on innovation or creativity. It's 50/50 for her.

Side note: It was nice to see NIck B. post here. It happens far too infrequently as far as I'm concerned and is always a welcome sight.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 15:11pm


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Spoilers: Missy Elliott, Rage Against The Machine, The Spinners

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

I think that people are way overestimating Joy Division/New Order's chances of induction this year, I just don't think that they have had the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America to get in this year over Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that have had more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO), so for that reason, I just don't see JD/NO getting in this year, I think that they'll get in eventually, but I think that they will have to wait until other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that were more commercially successful and had more name recognition in America than them such as The B-52's, INXS, Tears For Fears and Devo get in before they get inducted.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 16:35pm


You know, Richie, I think you're seriously underestimating Joy Division/New Order. I think you should take another look at their career. If you do, maybe you'll finally realize how much of a true influence they were on later bands.

Every brooding, moody, rebellious post-punk band owes a huge amount of gratitude to Joy Division. Plus, every synth-pop band/artist has been influenced in some way shape or form.

Finally — and Richie, pay attention, because I want you to learn something here — their music served as a special connection to a lot of people.

In my book, Joy Division & New Order are both Hall of Fame worthy. End of story.

Posted by Johnny on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 16:48pm


I meant to say every synth-pop band/artist has been influenced in some way shape or form by New Order.

Posted by Johnny on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 16:50pm


Johnny,

But I have to respectfully disagree with you on JD/NO, I'm not seriously way underestimating their chances, I'm seriously way overestimating their chances, I do think that they absolutely deserve induction and they're one of the biggest snubs from the Rock Hall, but I just don't see them getting in this year over Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that have had more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO), so for that reason, I just don't see JD/NO getting in this year, I think that they'll get in eventually, but I think that they will have to wait until other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that were more commercially successful and had more name recognition in America than them such as The B-52's, INXS, Tears For Fears and Devo get in before they get inducted.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 17:04pm


Richie,

I think I'll just finish 2020 class and Go back to prediction chats.
This don't seem to be panning out. I'll finish 2020 and see what happens
UP NEXT T. Rex. You would have thought they were inducted years back. Unlike ENIGMATICUS I have NO problem with EARLY GLAM rock. PUNK NO but GLAM rock yess. T. Rex are one of the prime acts for 1970s Glam. They co existed with David Bowie. I like different kinds of British Rock.
T REX NEXT

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 19:41pm


Ben,

I'm begging you please don't go back to prediction chats just yet, I really want you to please do the 2021 and 2022 induction classes and then we'll get back to prediction chats, I really want you to do the 2021 and 2022 induction classes before we'll get back to prediction chats, It would sure mean the world to me if you did the 2021 and 2022 induction classes before we get back to prediction chats, I'm begging you please don't go back to prediction chats just yet and do the 2021 and 2022 induction classes before we get back to prediction chats.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 19:47pm


You know what I think. I will at least continue with 2020. The next act was huge with Glam Rock. I really thought this act were in way before. But they were Not.

T. Rex

The main guy in the band was Marc Bolan. They started out named Tyrannosaurus Rex, and were at first psychedelic folk. Bolan made them electric rock and changed name to T, Rex. This development culminated in 1970 with their first hit single "Ride a White Swan", and the group soon became pioneers of the glam rock movement.

From 1970 to 1973, T. Rex encountered a popularity in the UK similar to that of the Beatles, with a run of eleven singles in the UK top ten. They scored four UK number one hits, "Hot Love", "Get It On", "Telegram Sam" and "Metal Guru". The band's 1971 album Electric Warrior received critical acclaim, reached number 1 in the UK and became a landmark album in glam rock. This is the only album I know well. I never owned it but own some tunes of it. The 1972 follow-up, The Slider, entered the top 20 in the US. Bolstering their style with soul music, funk and gospel, the band released Tanx in 1973 which reached the top 5 in several countries. In 1974, T. Rex's appeal began to fade out, though the band continued releasing albums. Their subsequent releases blended rock with R&B and occasionally even disco. I dont know how much disco he was involved with. I say he was always firmly rock.

In 1977 Marc Bolan was killed in a car crash and the group disbanded. I like Bang a Gong, Get it On of course and also Jeepster, Monolith and Lean Woman Blues. Also like Metal Guru. T, Rex was inducted in 2020. I forgot the Presenter

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/10/2023 @ 21:07pm


There isn't a ton I can really put out on Biggie Smalls, AKA the Notorious BIG. Some have experience with rock and grew up around the area of many famous bands. I know, being from Oregon, I grew up with Art Alexakis and Everclear as the local celebrity band, but my tastes in rock extend far beyond their music.My interest in my other major genre, hip hop/R and B, was very much influenced by being a leftcoaster. To me, west side vs east side isn't any affiliation or anything sinister; it's the environment, the atmosphere, and the experiences you had, both vicariously and through your own eyes. I grew up with West Coast rap, and the voices of Dr. Dre, Ice Cube and others didn't just influence oppressed individuals and give a voice to a scorned minority; like grunge and Nirvana, NWA and its contemporaries gave a new and different style to people who didn't want divisions to stay a part of the landscape, and said "so what" to the status quo that you were a rock fan, and you stayed in your lane.

I get that was a major tangent, but I'm giving a preamble to why I'm not really able to give anything fresh much on Biggie. He was on the other coast that was away from my primary focus. His music is fine, although very brief; seems to me, he had a microcosm of the material Tupac has done. His biggest influence is in being the proverbial godfather of the East coast scene; he is "Big Poppa" quite literally. From Junior MAFIA to Lil Kim to Faith Evans; Mary J Blige, Timbaland, Method Man, Nicole Wray, and many I'm sure I've forgotten. His most famous prodigy, obviously, is the crown jewel.

What I'm going to say, is, he was very influential, but he misses my radar as being one of the most deserving RRHOFers due to his brevity. In some cases, like Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, or Kurt Cobain, their brief gallavance onto the scene of music changed the world in one form or another. To me, and this is just my viewpoint from where I come from literally and musically, Tupac overshadows him. Yes, they are forever linked in being gunned down in mysterious circumstances wll before their time, and it will always make a hell of an intriguing mystery, but Pac was first. I can put Biggie up as the East Coast monster, but West Coast to me will always be the bigger and truer origin of rap. This is why I am a big proponent of Snoop Dogg and 50 Cent, for 2, to be in before much of the other rap pantheon makes it.

To complete this, he had I wanna say 2 or 3 albums. His biggest and most famous anthems are "Big Poppa" "Hypnotize" and "Juicy". Any of these three is instantly recognizable to any hip hop casual fan, or you've heard the songs or mixes/samples of them at parties or anywhere that a fun time is involved. He made Public Enemy relevant in that East Coast rap survived when the West side exploded. Rap was a new medium, a new genre, a new game that gave struggling young men a new voice, and a chance to escape their poverty and the demons of drugs, gangs and oppression that still has never totally been shaken off by years of reform, but at times the demons have reclaimed some of their losses. Probably the Biggie/Tupac saga, whether connected or not, is amongst the most notorious (pun intended) of these instances.

PS Richie, Joy Division/New Order has a whole lot of fans here for being "overrated". I know you're gonna keep pumping out that paragraph, but I stand by my statement that they are on the level with the Cars, the Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and the Eurythmics. I see them getting the call for class of 2023...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 01:19am


Rereading my long post, the "crown jewel" I was referring to, since I apparently got sidetracked, is Sean Puffy Combs, who probably will be ushered in the RRHOF pretty soon...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 01:24am


K-Dawg,

That's coool. You have done nice review of Biggie Smalls Even though as yu say you are on the West side with the West Coast Rap. It took me a long time to know the difference. Since I don't know rap too well at all. Rap was a new medium at that time I knew that. a new genre, a new game that gave struggling young men a new voice, and a chance to escape their poverty and the demons of drugs, gangs and oppression that's always there. Rap is a music of Modern revolution. We can say that. Probably the Biggie/Tupac saga, whether connected or not, is amongst the most known incidents in rap music. Thank you for that.
Got anything on Depeche Mode?
I personally deal slightly better with Depeche mode and others of this genre. But here tooo not a fan of them or any pure Electronic music. Depeche Mode have a large body of work Ive always disliked. I am similar to some of the Old Voters in many ways. But I can get into some Kinda electronic tunes. I do predict JD/New Order. Ok review Depeche Mode. Go ahead

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 02:45am


I have a lot on Depeche Mode, Ben. I can say pretty well they are my favorite New Wave band, or rivaling INXS and Tears for Fears, but I will get to them in the next few days

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 03:27am


Just a bit more on T. Rex. They were a key British rock band of the 1970s. Its tragic that MArc Bolan was killed in 1977. He would have been alive to see his influence. I like different kinds of British Rock. This is a different kind of Classic rock band.


. Ringo Starr introduces T. Rex for induction: He says they called it glam rock with singles such as Get it on, Children of the Revolution, and of course, Born to Boogie. It was always just great music to him and that's why people are still listening to T. Rex today. Ringo said
Ringo says There's no doubt they belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Finally!"
There is a reel that features Elton John, Billy Idol and David Bowie. No surprise with these.
Bowie and T, Rex fit together. Enigmaticus used to rag on Glam rock. Not me. Some Glam rock is fine. What happened to Enig? He disappeared.
Well as far as T. Rex Not a huge fan but they are fine. I know a lot about Electric Warrior album. Billy Idol appearance makes sense because he appeared on the Marc Bolan TV show with band Generation X. I know veryy little about them. I aint no punk rocker But I like some Glam rock. There is also Sweet but NOT notable enough to ever be inducted.
In any case Billy Idol had great things to say about T. Rex and Marc Bolan.

Rolan Bolan the son accepted the induction for his dad Marc Bolan. When he was a kid watching MTV, Def Leppard's Rocket video came on and it had clips of T. Rex's performance of Get it on. That was my daily hello to my father. ... He knew his dad would be very proud to receive this. He always aimed for the top and got in the Hall. In fact I think Joe Elliot had strong connections to get T. Rex inducted. T. Rex werre a strong influence on Def Lep. Thats a bit more on T. Rex

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 04:48am


There really isn't much else to talk about when it comes to predictions. Most of us have already shared our opinions. The conversations are likely going to get repetitive. How about any of these ideas for topics, what are your favorite songs and albums from the nominees? If you could choose the class what would it be?

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 07:27am


K-Dawg,

But I have to respectfully disagree with you on JD/NO, They are not on the same level with The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, They are on the same level with Devo and The Smiths, so for that reason, I just don't see them getting the call for the class of 2023, In a few years from now after The B-52's, INXS, Tears For Fears and Devo, Yes because they do absolutely deserve induction and they're one of the biggest snubs from the Rock Hall, but not this year especially not over Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that have had more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 08:27am


Richie,

I'm gonna give you the benefit of a doubt that commercial success & name recognition isn't always the case for voters. If that were very much intact, then bands like The Velvet Underground, Ramones, The Stooges, Patti Smith, Grateful Dead, Frank Zappa wouldn't even be at the RRHOF. JD/NO did have about commercial success & name recognition like the ones you mentioned thus is why they have more fan votes than Sheryl Crow, RATM, Spinners, White Stripes & Missy Elliott. So you're entitled to your opinion on them whatever you like but I'm speaking facts! I guarantee you by May, they will become FYN inductees instead of George Michael & Crow.

Don't forget the fan vote doesn't always guarantee for induction otherwise Motley Crue pretty much would be on the ballot already.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 10:01am


Greg F,

To be honest, it's getting freaking tiresome when certain people shared their same predictions over & over again.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 10:03am


Jordan Einstein,

But I have to respectfully disagree with you on JD/NO, They just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics did, so I just don't see them being FYN inductees this year, I think that George Michael and Sheryl Crow are far more likely to get in this year over them because they would sell more tickets to the induction ceremony and would bring more ratings to HBO than JD/NO, I just don't see them (JD/NO) getting in this year especially not over Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that have had more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO), I do think that they absolutely deserve induction and they're one of the biggest snubs from the Rock Hall, but I think that their lack of major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America will really hurt their chances of getting inducted FYN this year, I do think that they'll get in eventually, but I think that they will have to wait until other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that were more commercially successful and had more name recognition in America than them such as The B-52's, INXS, Tears For Fears and Devo get in before they get inducted.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 10:17am


What music have you all been listening to recently?

Here's a list of songs that I've really been vibing with in the last few weeks

White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
Fists of Fury - Kamasi Washington
Pink + White - Frank Ocean
Telepatia - Kali Uchis
Southernplayalisticadillacmuzic - Outkast
Maud Gone - Car Seat Headrest
House of Wolves - My Chemical Romance
We Three - The Ink Spots
Ghost Town - The Specials
Pearly Gates - U.S. Girls
Papa Was a Rodeo - The Magnetic Fields
Crack Sandwich - J.I.D.
Road to Nowhere - Talking Heads
Remember Where You Are - Jessie Ware
Not Strong Enough - Boygenius
Sunset - Caroline Polachek
Voodoo Mama - Justin Hurwitz (from the Babylon film score)

Posted by RG on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 10:20am


RG

let's see

Body's in Trouble - Mary Margaret O'Hara
Mother's Ruin - Kirsty MacColl
Summerhead - Cocteau Twins
Ingrid and the Footman - Jane Siberry
Tom Cat Goodby - Laura Nyro
Flood - Vagabon
Time Will Tell - Blood Orange
Ex-Girlfriend - American Music Club
Puppet - Lisa Germano
Tom's Diner Remix - Suzanne Vega
Why - Yoko Ono / Plastic Ono Band
Where the Colors Don't Go - Sam Phillips
Drop the Pilot - Joan Armatrading
Feeling Gravity's Pull - R.E.M.
Where Will I Be - Emmylou Harris
Never Enough - The Cure
Me Jane - PJ Harvey

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 10:45am


Elle Dee,

I know that your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) are Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden and Warren Zevon plus Kate Bush as Musical Excellence, but Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horses/potential spoilers this year for 2023 as well?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 11:16am


He was for the prior nomination, but very pleasantly surprised they are still giving Hiro Yamamoto an induction with Soundgarden if they make it in. The hall has been infamously bad with snubbing members of late 80s/early 90s bands who played on albums or even helped founded groups while leaving right before they got massive - Chad Channing with Nirvana, John Kiffmeyer with Green Day, and a contender for biggest individual snub for a band that got in with Dave Abbruzzese with Pearl Jam who was there for the biggest years of their career. With no indication they'll ever fix this and not be seen as jokes it's good they are getting it right here.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 11:19am


Richie

Possible Surprises:

Iron Maiden over Soundgarden

Rage Against the Machine over Soundgarden

A Tribe Called Quest over Missy Elliott

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 12:33pm


Richie,

Come up with something else for your take on JD/NO's chances as you obviously didn't even read my comment.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 14:45pm


Plus, I would also stand by my statement.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 14:46pm


Jordan

Yea this class is too rough to actually predict anything seriously plus unlike last year where there were real campaigns and drama and some asshat on twitter this year is just wait and see.

With that.....what do you all think follows the white stripes? Seems like they'll open the indie door. I'd guess we see Beck again but do they move forward with like the strokes or modest mouse types or go back for sonic youth and pavement?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 17:01pm


If the stripes go in this year, Coldplay goes in 2024. They are the gateway to adult contemporary meets guitar rock. Not so heavy, with a mix of more poppy elements.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 18:04pm


Mat R,

regarding The White Stripes: I agree with you, I think Beck will return to the ballot and he'll get in on his second try once The White Stripes get in either this year or next year, I think that The White Stripes and Beck are the only indie acts that I see having an easy time getting in as Performers because they both have had major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America unlike other indie acts, so I think that The White Stripes and Beck are the only indie acts that I see having an easy time getting in as Performers and others like Pixies and Sonic Youth will struggle because of their lack of major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 18:05pm


Mat R,

Damn this one is a hit or miss because two things:

1. The White Stripes have become one of the most well-known bands in modern history bringing garage rock further into mainstream.

2. Their nomination is very deserving & I could definitely see them getting inducted but I don't think Jack White cares about it & we know the Meg situation as well.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 20:29pm


And yeah, I could possibly see both Beck & Coldplay appearing on the ballot next year. Plus let's not forget Sonic Youth & Pixies!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 20:30pm


Ok, so I got a request from Ben to cover Depeche Mode. From a personal standpoint, the induction of Depeche Mode was one of those moments when I take on a "finally" approach. I was ecstatic when acts like NWA and Whitney Houston got what I felt were long overdue inductions, but Depeche Mode's irked me a little as I thought they should've been FYI that they were nommed. Not necessarily FYE, but they are so iconic and one of the biggest names in New Wave. You think of two bands at the very top of the new sound born in the early 80s, and they are the Cure and Depeche Mode. "People Are People", "Strangelove", "Policy of Truth", "Everything Counts", "It's No Good", "Enjoy the Silence"...these are a few of the songs that permeate the conscious of this underground movement in the 80s that defined the sound of the decade. Rock music, where it had meshed the sounds together and drawn scorn from traditional rockist fans for the introduction of keyboards and sappier love songs that paved the way for power ballads,(In other words, Styx lol) fully branched out from each other. Hair/butt rock drew some of those wanting to straight out rock and party; new wave took the keyboards and made a different kind of music that defined the 80s sound.I get a bit hyperbolic here, but let's not forget the sound of new wave birthed alternative rock, and technology took over. I know I haven't said a ton about the band itself, but they were the pioneers of the genre.

And Richie, delete that paragraph lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/11/2023 @ 23:49pm


K-Dawg,

That was cool. I was Not a Depeche Mode fan at all during the 80s. Yeah I was into the Hair/butt rock. It drew me LOL. I wanted to straight out rock and party. But I do respect that new wave took the keyboards and defined the 80s sound. I respect that they have a large body of work. In the same way JD/ New Order do have a large body of work. More on that another time. As far as New Wave I like B52s and Squeeze a lot. I dont mind Just Can't get Enough. But certainly Not a fan. But I am a diverse Traditional rocker. But in fact the next last one for 2020 was just fine. Some crappy songs but a lot of terrific songs and a great voice. Up Next Whitney Houston

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 04:10am


I can't login on the Rock Hall website, so I can't submit my choices.

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 04:21am


Whitney Houston

This was one of the best Inductees for 2020. She is both Pop and R&b. She was veryy talented. Back in my days of the Hair/Butt Rock I disliked her. I was into Def Leppard, Journey, Bon Jovi and some Poison ballads and also Eric Clapton, Rolling Stones, Gr Dead, the Band, Steely Dan, Yes etc etc. I have never been a huge pop fan. But she is the legend Whitney Houston. I grew weary of the Alternative rock by Late 1990s. This propelled me to some Whitney. And also Folk music and Jazz. But thats something else. She had some crappy songs but so many have. But also a lot of nice terrific songs with a great voice. Her problem was the drugs she got into. But her music career is fine.

Whitney Houston (cropped3).JPEG
Houston singing "Greatest Love of All" at the Welcome Home Heroes concert in 1991
Born Whitney Elizabeth Houston
August 9, 1963
Newark, New Jersey, U.S.
Died February 11, 2012 (aged 48)
Beverly Hills, California, U.S.
Resting place Fairview Cemetery,Westfield, New Jersey
Education Mount Saint Dominic Academy
Occupations
Singeractressproducermodel
Years active 1977–2012
Spouse Bobby Brown


Whitney Houston was an American singer and actress. Nicknamed "The Voice", she is one of the bestselling music artists of all time, with over 200 million records sold worldwide.[1] Houston influenced many singers in popular music, and was known for her powerful, soulful vocals and vocal improvisation skills. She is the only artist to have had seven consecutive number-one singles on the Billboard Hot 100, from "Saving All My Love for You" in 1985 until her 1988 hits.
Houston began singing in church as a child and became a background singer while in high school. She was one of the first black women to appear on the cover of Seventeen after becoming a teen model in 1981. With the guidance of Arista Records chairman Clive Davis, Houston signed to the label at age 19. Her first two studio albums, Whitney Houston (1985) and Whitney (1987), were both top albums on the Billboard 200 and are among the best-selling albums of all time. Houston's third studio album, I'm Your Baby Tonight (1990), had two number-one singles: "I'm Your Baby Tonight" and "All the Man That I Need". Heyy she is a big music star.

Whitneymade her acting debut with the romantic Drama film The Bodyguard (1992), which became a huge movie. One of the top movies of the 1990s. She recorded six songs for the film's soundtrack, including "I Will Always Love You" which a huge number one songthe best-selling physical single by a woman in music history. The soundtrack for The Bodyguard won the Grammy Award. her biggest I think. It is NOT a favorite of mine. TOO MELODRAMATIC. Bodyguard was a one of the bestselling soundtrack albums of all time. Whitney went on to star and record soundtracks for Waiting to Exhale (1995) and The Preacher's Wife (1996). Houston produced the latter's soundtrack, which is mostly gospel. As a film producer, she produced all kinds of movie including Cinderella (1997), and series, including The Princess Diaries and The Cheetah Girls.
Following more success, she renewed her contract with Arista for $100 million, one of the biggest recording deals of all time. However, the personal problems began to Take over. Her 2002 studio album, Just Whitney, received mixed reviews. Her drug use and a Bad marriage to singer Bobby Brown received widespread publicity. Its ashame about her drugs. If Not for the drugs she'd be alive. She had a final album in 2009. And then she died in the Bathtub in Feb 2012. Her death was covered all over the world. Some songs I like Saving All My Love, I Wanna Dance With Somebody, Didnt We Almost Have It All, So Emotional, For the Love of You Im Your Baby Tonight. Im Every Woman. She had a great voice. Whtney Houston was inducted to the RNR Hall of F in 2020. I recall Jennifer Hudson speaking a lot in her segment. Whitney was the last act



Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 05:53am


And so you see that I do Not scorn Pop. After my RnR of the 1960s 70s and 80s I mellowed out with some pop of the 1980s and 90s. Whitney Houston is a talented Black singer. In this Class I will give some Ratings of them

2020
Depeche Mode- B They were leaders of the the Electronic New Wave. Problem is I do Not value this kind of New wave much.
Doobie Brothers- A They were a terrific Country rock band that incorporated Jazz and Soul with Michael McDonald in late 1970s and 80s

Whitney Houston-A One of the most talented Woman singers of all time. She was overdue. Good pop & R&b
For that they get a C rating
Nine Inch Nails- C+- I know nothing about Industrial and Nu Metal. Trent Reznor is a genius far ahead of his time. Yes, "Closer" has lyrics that can be viewed as disturbing, and the song put them on the Map. Such vicious stuff could have waited. It could have been a spot for Soundgarden. NIN No thanks

Notorious BIG-A I can respect this. One of the most key Rap artists but he is essential if you include rap music. Got no problem with that.

T. Rex- A Ive always liked British Rock One of the key Glam rock acts. They are overdue

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 08:16am


Ben,

My ratings for class of 2020.

Depeche Mode - A
The Doobies - C
Whitney Houston - A
Nine Inch Nails - A
The Notorious B.I.G - A
T. Rex - B

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 08:33am


Jordan,

It's been awhile since we chatted
Well we both have Whitney and Notorious BIG As A RATING. Both are cool. Yeah a lot of people may have Depeche Mode as A. Conflicts too much with my Convention conceptTom Petty, John MELLENCAMP, the Cars and Michael Jackson alll have that

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 09:14am


2020 ratings

Depeche Mode - B-
The Doobies - C-
Whitney Houston - A-
Nine Inch Nails - A+
The Notorious B.I.G - A
T. Rex - C+

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 11:01am


Btw

A non nominee this year is Fela Kuti. A lot here seem kind of convinced mc5 are likely early influence inductees and Chaka or Kate are Musical Excellence people but what about Fela?

I've bold and jokingly predicted (I think Kristen studard has also suggested that she expects) he would get some kind of international award which would probably also be given to like the Wailers, Serge Gainsbourg, the guess who, and my bloody Valentine. I'm kind of curious if people think they might go this route with Fela and co. very soon?

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 11:45am


There will be a ton of 80-90's alternative/indie artists will be inducted in 2024-2040 due to less rock stars after 2000.

Posted by power on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 12:17pm


I think Pavement and Big Star have chance to be inducted as they all have 3 top 500 greatest albums by the Rolling Stone. They may nominated after 2030. Like Zevon, a long overdue nomination may come in the end.

Posted by Power on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 12:22pm


Power,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horses/potential spoilers this year as well?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 12:25pm


I think 6 is a more possible number because there are only 14 nominations (although in 2019 7 inductees are selected in 15 nominations).

My current prediction is
George
Lauper
Nelson
Soundgarden
Missy Elliott
White Stripes/Tribe

with Kate Bush in musical excellence

Posted by power on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 12:36pm


Power,

Are you ABC by the way?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 12:41pm


Mat R,

Here's the current vote totals in the 2023 public ballot tracker so far from 9 public ballots and they are:

At 55.56% of the vote and on 5 ballots so far is A Tribe Called Quest.
At 44.44% of the vote and on 4 ballots so far are Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden and Warren Zevon.
At 33.33% of the vote and on 3 ballots so far are Kate Bush and Missy Elliott.
At 22.22% of the vote and on 2 ballots so far is The Spinners.
At 11.11% of the vote and on 1 ballot so far are Rage Against The Machine and The White Stripes.
At 0.00% of the vote and on zero ballots so far is Sheryl Crow.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 13:02pm


Jordan,
What I'm saying is Depeche M conflicts with my Conventional concept of music. Besides all the really old artists those like Tom Petty, John MELLENCAMP, the Cars, Michael Jackson and ohh yes Whitney Houston are alll CONVENTIONAL. So not just ROCK. Michael and Whitney are tooo. But Depeche M is a very electronic act But I can respect the large body of work. They get C- NOT a fan. Now Whitney and Biggie that's Ratings of A

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 13:33pm


Road To Jamnation Episode 16 is now available featuring my commentary on six more of this year's Rock Hall nominees. Joy Division/New Order; Iron Maiden; Kate Bush; Cyndi Lauper; George Michael; and Soundgarden

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Z3NVz5ZGS72C3teOGoF80?si=TGECyyF3QhScHK9iMx1uJQ&app_destination=copy-link

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 13:58pm


Richie tomorrow we'll have one from a hall of famer in the performer category *fingers crossed*

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 14:46pm


Also worth noting rage have TWO public votes. Chris Stein has gone on record has having voted for them

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 15:31pm


Billy Joel has voted! He said in a recent LA Times interview, didn't mention his other 4 votes but of course, Warren Zevon was his first vote. Should go in the ballot tracker

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 19:12pm


I'm a big Depeche Mode fan, I think they definitely fit in as a rock or pop act, they're the most electronic band in, next to NIN, but they go right along side the cure Radiohead and hopefully JD/NO

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 19:21pm


Will M,

but The Cure, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead were all much more commercially successful and had much more name recognition in America than JD/NO, As I've said it so many times before, I just don't see JD/NO getting in this year because they just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that those other bands did, so I think that Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that have had much more major mainstream commercial success and much more name recognition in America than JD/NO) are much more likely to get in this year than JD/NO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 20:16pm


You better remember what you keep saying Richie. When jd/no gets inducted, you're not gonna live it down

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 03/12/2023 @ 22:54pm


Fan Vote top 5 right now:

George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Warren Zevon
Iron Maiden
Soundgarden

Will George Michael become the second fan vote winner not to be inducted? (The first being Dave Matthews Band) Iron Maiden and Soundgarden have both been nominated and reached the top 5 both previous times. Could they get inducted, or is this field too crowded?

I have a feeling that if George Michael and Warren Zevon get in, they'll get the Cotten/Robinson/Belafonte treatment and have no inductee so that the side categories can shine more.


And I have to mention Fela Kuti even though he's not relevant this year, (unless side category people do things) since he also placed in the top 5 without getting in, like SG, IM, and DMB.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 00:53am


Ok, I will give time for people here to catch up. Yeah so Depeche Mode is a weak one for me. I can relate slightly better to Biggie in fact. I can understand that rebellion. Not a rap fan it dont genrally do a thing for me. But I don't mind pockets of Rap. Notorious BIG came to my attention in the last 5 years due to the fine Blacks I work with. In fact my co workers who are into urban forms of music are not into any New rap. Just the old Old school Rap like Biggie.
Soo if You dont know now you Know!
As far as Rap I only know Public Enemy and Biggie mainly. Its cool. Also know some Jay-Z. I learned it in the last 5 years. He is covered by me and K-Dawg much later on

But Depeche Mode Not exactly my fav. When new wave went strong I was in a strong Hair/Arena phase. I never listened to all New wave radio. I listened to my regular Rock station every single day. Constant New wave gave me an empty feeling. The only new wave Concerts I saw was the Pretenders and Squeeze. Separate concerts. I wanted to see Duran D but never did. I did hear a lot of New wave during the 80s at the College parties. Thus I heard Depeche M, New Order, Erasure. Im surprised New wave people here have Not mentioned them. Never liked Erasure just mentioning.

And soo I give an A rating to Doobie Brothers, Notorious BIG, T. Rex and Whitney Houston. No problem with some pop. Not a big pop fan but I like somewhat old Pop songs on the radio. Whitney Houston is a legend that stands out. She was very talented and one of the best singers of alll time. Alright Next comes 2021. Thats in a couple days

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 02:44am


Follower,

I could only see two or three in the Top 5 vote getting inducted because do we need to go back last year when not just whole top 5 but also 6, 7 & 8 being inducted.

Richie,

It's kinda funny & ridiculous that you said that because JD/NO is currently ranked at #7 on the fan vote whereas Sheryl Crow, RATM, Spinners, White Stripes, Missy Elliott are lower. You keep saying that they don't have enough commercial success & name recognition to be inducted in their FYN or have you forgotten T. Rex & Roxy Music.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 02:53am


K - Dawg,

And he's not going to because again he thinks name recognition & commercial success in America is always a factor for voters which in reality is not always the case.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 03:02am


I know Jordan, but the thing was, they DID have some commercial success. But Richie thinks Celine Dion has a better chance because she shattered our eardrums with that awful Titanic song 20 years ago lol...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 06:05am


Well K - Dawg,

You're absolutely right on Division/Order having some commercial success not to mention also having critical acclaim. Then again, it's been 40 years since Blue Monday & Peter Hook looking forward to reunite with them so it might as well be their time!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 07:54am


Jordan Einstein,

but Roxy Music and T. Rex also had members who were/are very well-known and are/were much respected in the music industry (Brian Eno and Bryan Ferry for Roxy Music and Marc Bolan for T. Rex), plus Roxy Music appeared on Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Artists list in 2004 (They disappeared from the 2011 update) and T. Rex appeared on VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of All-Time list in 1998 (They disappeared from the 2010 update), So they both had a lot of things going for them despite not having the commercial success and name recognition in America, JD/NO doesn't, so I see them being more like The Smiths (another 80's New Wave/Alternative act that didn't have the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America and who were nominated twice in 2015 and 2016 and failed to get voted in) and they'll miss out on induction this year.

Follower,

I think that four of the top five acts in the fan vote will get inducted this year, They being George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon and Soundgarden while Iron Maiden will once again miss out on induction this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 08:57am


Jordan

I love Joy Division and New Order, but would I describe them as "commercially successful" in the context of American success? Kinda complicated. If I ask an average Joe walking down the street if they ever heard of Joy Division and New Order? They would probably look at me as if I'm crazy. In terms of commercial success, their biggest success is in their native UK and the rest of Europe. In America, New Order's commercial success equates that to Kate Bush's. The vast majority of their albums aren't best Sellars chart wise. Their singles are mainly successful specifically on the dance charts and alternative rock charts. Their main core audience in America are the same core American audience of Kate Bush: Gen Xers who went to college in the 80s and 90s (their main demographic are college students) and a generation that watched 120 Minutes on MTV.

That's why Joy Division/New Order are competing with Kate Bush for a spot because all of them have the same cult following in America when Alternative Rock was on the rise through college radio stations.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 11:43am


I would argue JD/NO is an easier sell than The Smiths since JD/NO doesn't have the baggage that Morrissey has.

Posted by Garrick on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 11:46am


Elle Dee,

All the things you just said about JD/NO and Kate Bush are spot on, I just don't think that either of them have had the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America that Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon do, so I just don't see either of them getting in this year as Performers, though I think that Kate Bush will get the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment and she'll get in via Musical Excellence this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

Garrick,

I disagree with you on JD/NO, I just don't think that they're an easy sell to the current voting body (just like The Smiths and Devo), I think that The B-52's, INXS and Tears For Fears are much easier sells to the current voting body because all of those bands have had much more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO, plus The B-52's have had 2 Top 10 Pop Hits with Love Shack and Roam, INXS have had 7 Top 10 Pop Hits with What You Need, Need You Tonight, Devil Inside, New Sensation, Never Tear Us Apart, Suicide Blonde and Disappear and Tears For Fears have had 4 Top 10 Pop Hits with Shut, Everybody Wants To Rule The World, Head Over Heels and Sowing The Seeds Of Love and The B-52's have sold over 20 million albums worldwide, INXS have sold 75 million albums worldwide and Tears For Fears have sold over 30 million albums worldwide, so all in all, They're much more easy sells to the current voting body than JD/NO, The Smiths and Devo.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 12:05pm


Garrick,

I'm so sorry, I meant to say Shout, not Shut.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 12:08pm


Everyone who is acting like your average Joe has no idea who joy division or new order is needs to click this link and eat their own words cause this does not happen to things with no mainstream appeal

https://pitchfork.com/news/45193-disney-is-selling-a-joy-division-mickey-mouse-shirt/

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 12:13pm


Mat R

At this point, the Unknown Pleasures album cover had became synonymous in meme culture. Just like Neutral Milk Hotel's In the Aeroplane Over the Sea album cover has become part of internet meme culture. I have friends that aren't into heavy metal that would wear band T-shirts of heavy metal bands just to look cool.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 12:25pm


Mat R,

but that article was over a decade ago, As I've said it numerous times before, I just don't think that JD/NO have the mainstream appeal, the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America to get in this year over Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that have had more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO). I do think that they'll get in eventually, because they do absolutely deserve induction and they're one of the biggest snubs from the Rock Hall, but I think that it'll happen after The B-52's, INXS, Tears For Fears and Devo get in first, It just won't be this year, Eventually, It'll happen, but just not this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 12:32pm


Graded them 1-5 on personal taste/likelihood and general worthiness. Aside from every single member of this nominated class I want in:

4 Dave Mathew's band
5 Phil collins
5 Pixies (ME)
4 Foreigner
5 Nick drake (ME or E.I)
3 Cher
2 Tool
3 Jethro Tull (ME)
5 Sade
5 Emerson lake and Palmer (ME)
4 Sonic youth (ME)
2 Thin lizzy
1 Weird Al yankavitch
5 The smiths (ME)
2 The monkeys
2 Mary wells
3 The fugees
2 Destinys child
2 Oasis
4 New York dolls (ME)
4 Jim Croce
5 Outkast
1 Procal harem
5 Bjork
5 Tori Amos
3 Peter Paul and Mary
5 Mariah Carey
5 King crimson ( ME)
3 The cranberries
4 Smashing pumpkins
5 Brian eno (ME)
4 Roberta flack
1 Phish (ME)
5 Connie Francis (Ei)
4 Commodores as side men?
5 Wu tang clan
1 Pj Harvey
2 Fiona apple
3 Blue oyster cult
5 Donny Hathaway (ME)
3 The B52's
2 Diana Ross
5 Patti labelle
1 Alanis morisette
2 Sheryl crow
3 Diane Warwick (e.I)
5 Big mama thornblon (e.I)
4 Billy idol
5 Beyoncé
5 Alicia keys
5 Frank Sinatra
5 Beck
5 Big name country acts (Merle, patsy, Garth, Emmylou, and gram parsons would be my top 5)

There's not many more I can think of for early influence mainly because my tastes start in the mid 60s

Prog rock, electronic music, metal, Lilith fair female songwriters, and alternative will be more represented with music excellence

So many of these names are being way too slept on on this site

Nick drake, Roberta flack, Sade, Jim Croce, pixies , king crimson, Donny Hathaway, the smiths, Frank Sinatra, and Emerson lake/Palmer especially

Posted by Mikhail on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 12:52pm


Zevon
Cyndi
George
Missy
Tribe
Soundgarden
Bush (ME)
will be inducted in this year.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 14:44pm


Greg F,

Here are my favorite songs from each artist. Artists are listed from my favorite to least favorite:

The White Stripes - Hotel Yorba
Joy Division/New Order - Love Vigilantes
The Spinners - Rubberband Man
Kate Bush - Suspended in Gaffa/The Big Sky
A Tribe Called Quest - I Left My Wallet in El Segundo
Sheryl Crow - Every Day is a Winding Road
George Michael - Freedom! '90
Rage Against The Machine - Renegades of Funk
Cyndi Lauper - I Drove All NIght
Willie Nelson - Whiskey River
Soundgarden - Spoonman
Missy Elliott - Work It
Iron Maiden - Flight of Icarus
Warren Zevon - Poor Poor Pitiful Me

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 14:45pm


Power,

You're missing Willie Nelson, The Hall wants a big name headliner and he's the biggest name on the ballot this year by far, so I just can't see him missing out this year, so take out Missy and Tribe and add Willie and Sheryl Crow in their place, I think that if a Rap/Hip-Hop act gets in this year, It will be DJ Kool Herc as an Early Influence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 14:53pm


I forgot about Willie

So substitute Tribe with Willie

I do not think Crow will be inducted. For women in pop, cyndi stands a greater chance.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 15:06pm


Is this a joke... I pick Kate that's it ... The rest garbage ...

Iron Maiden
The Spinners
George Michael
A Tribe Called Quest
Sheryl Crow
Willie Nelson
Joy Division/New Order
Soundgarden
Rage Against the Machine
Kate Bush
Warren Zevon
The White Stripes
Cyndi Lauper
Missy Elliott

Posted by Rock and Roll Fame Sucks on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 15:11pm


Elle Dee and Power,

In the event that one of the bands/acts nominated this year for 2023 get in this year for 2023, Who would be the biggest beneficiary of that act next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 16:20pm


Richie and Elle

it doesn't matter that that decade is a decade old at all. Disney the most mainstream company in America dropped a parody of a Joy Division album cover because t-shirts with that album cover sell like hot cakes. That is no matter what you think, the most penetration anyone can have of mainstream American culture: when Disney is parodying you for their merch.

Even if people don't know the music they know that shirt and that matters a lot.

Gene Simmons: *googles Joy Division, sees that album cover* I own that shirt

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 16:43pm


Mat R,

But It does matter that is over a a decade old, They don't know that shirt and It doesn't matter at all, As I've said it numerous times before, I just don't see JD/NO getting in this year over Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that have had more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO). I think that The B-52's, INXS and Tears For Fears are much easier sells to the current voting body than JD/NO because they have had much more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO, I do think that they'll get in eventually, because they do absolutely deserve induction and they're one of the biggest snubs from the Rock Hall, but I just don't see it happening this year, especially not over Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that have had more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO). Eventually, Yes, but just not this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:00pm


Richie

Cept they do know that shirt and New order sold better than white stripes and Warren Zevon. Like there's a reason they're competitive in the fan vote and might knock off Willie Nelson. No one is calling it a lock but they're definitely competitive something to up seem convinced is impossible.

Btw Elle being a meme is how dolly got in.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:17pm


Mat R,

No way, They don't know that shirt and New Order didn't sell better than The White Stripes and Warren Zevon, Also, They won't knock off Willie Nelson in the fan vote and Dolly got in last year not because of memes, but she has had major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America. So JD/NO are not competitive this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:23pm


jd/no->B-52/INXS/Devo/The Smiths/The Replacements
Kate Bush->Bjork/Fiona Apple/Tori Amos/PJ Harvey
Tribe->Outkast/De La Soul/Eric B&Rakim
George->Billy Idol? or turn to older pop ladies like Donnie Warrick?
Zevon->(Generally I think the era of inducting 60-70's singer songwriters is over after inducting Zevon. Joe Cocker and JJ Cale are decent, but I tend to focus more on artists after 80s as there is a long list of worthy artists not inducted yet.)
Soundgarden->Alice in Chains/The Smashing Pumpkins
The White Stripes->Beck/Sonic Youth/Pixies
RATM->Jane's Addiction/Living Colour/Bad Brains
Iron Maiden->Motorhead/Thin Lizzy
Missy->Mary J. Blige
The Spinners->Rick James/War
Cyndi->Alanis Morissette
Crow->Lucinda Williams/Liz Phair
Willie->Pasty Cline/Loretta Lynn/John Prine

I think Irving Azoff may help more artists signed with him to get inducted.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:29pm


I think JD/NO will get inducted in three years.
We will see.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:33pm


Richie

Dolly was a joke from the late 80s to early 2010s. Then the internet turned her into the patron saint of all that is good much like it turned chuck Norris into the most dangerous man in history. Why do you think she was first in line instead of Willie? Memes

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:37pm


I forgot Mariah Carey.
After Cyndi, it may be Carey's turn.

I will also not be suprised that the Roots is nominated soon altough Questlove may wish artists before the roots get in first.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:37pm


Chaka, MC5, New York Dolls are all strong musical excellence candidates.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:38pm


Richie,

Every time I see you post something about Joy Division/New Order, it always sounds like you don't want them to get inducted.

Mat R is right, they still have a major influence on the culture. Unknown Pleasure has become an iconic album cover the same way Abbey Road and Nevermind were that even young people can recognize it without even listening to a single Joy Division song. And also, New Order's "Blue Monday" has been used as needle drops in movies and TV shows to emphasize the setting is in the 80s.

Sidebar: Seeing ATCQ lead the ballot tracker again this year warms my heart and voters are still eager to see them inducted. But as we've seen before, I am prepared for the disappointment.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:42pm


Jeffrey "Skunk" Baxter sits at his desk at the Pentagon looking over his ballot. He is unsure about 1 nominee so he googles "Joy Division" and he shown the cover of Unknown Pleasures. He sits in shock and looks down at his down torso for he is wearing a t-shirt with that very cover upon it.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:49pm


Mat R,

Dolly was first in line instead of Willie because she's a much bigger name in Music and Pop Culture than Willie, though Willie is pretty big as well.

John R.C.,

I do want Joy Division/New Order inducted ASAP because they do absolutely deserve induction and they're one of the biggest snubs from the Rock Hall, but I just don't see it for them this year especially not over Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that have had more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO).

Power,

What are your predictions for 2023 inductees in the side categories (Ahmet Ertegun Award, Early Influence and Musical Excellence)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 17:56pm


Richie

......she was a punchline in mainstream america until the memes

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 18:07pm


I think the side category is interesting but unpredictable. I can only guess DJ Kool Herc and Chaka to be inducted in side category.

I do not think NYD and MC5 will be appeared on the ballot again as rock hall seems to focus more on more modern artists and they are suitable ME candidates.

Posted by power on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 18:19pm


ok i just chatted with an inductee performer. very good chat.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 18:49pm


Mat R,

No, Dolly wasn't a punchline for mainstream America until the memes, Dolly has always been a pop culture icon since the 70's, so Dolly got in ahead of Willie because she had more pop crossover success than him.

Also, Which Performer inductee did you chat with and who (he or she) are voting for this year on their ballot?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 18:58pm


Richie

you're denying the actually history. no one took dolly seriously for a long time. she had a niche and loyal fanbase but people at large didn't take her seriously she kinda take herself seriously in order to minimize the misogyny she was facing. it was a lot of she's a cartoon who has big boobs and lots of plastic surgery. Then the internet realized she's a saint and she became the most beloved figure in country music.

there's no denying that history.

also can't say yet but it seems they and a lot of people want a certain 5 time nominated act back on the ballot

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 19:11pm


Mat R,

Are you thinking that the unknown Performer inductee and a lot of people want The J. Geils Band back on the ballot because they've been nominated 5 times before?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 19:17pm


richie

maybe

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 19:19pm


Music critic / rock hall voter Stephen Thomas Erlewine critiquing the 14 artists on the ballot and their chances of induction


https://sterlewine.substack.com/p/so-it-goes-week-3-rock-and-roll-hall?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=auto_share

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 19:38pm


So if Iron Maiden were inducted, what would their induction look like? I see a Radiohead-type induction where there's a video package, induction speech, and then some members of the band come up and say a few words. I don't see a performance happening considering Bruce Dickinson has been vocal about his distain for the Rock Hall in the past. They don't seem to want induction as much as Judas Priest did.

Posted by Garrick on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 21:58pm


Garrick

I'm 50/50 I think it'll likely be a radiohead like thing but I have a suspicion that rob Halford and Alice cooper are trying to convince Maiden how awesome the hall is.

Maybe if the hall convinces Corey Taylor or Maynard James Keenan to do the induction then Maiden will show (after months of Halford/Cooper talks) but probably not

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/13/2023 @ 22:39pm


Mat R,

You took time for a rating of the 2020. Thank You. I see that we basically have the same take on Depeche Mode. Yeah a lot of you would probably rate Doobie Brothers low. I can see that happening. Age group thing perhaps. I think Doobie Brothers is an A act. They deserve it. I may be one of the more Classic Rock people here.
BUT we both have about A on Notorious BIG and Whitney Houston. Both belong both deserved. But why the Low rating on T. Rex. That dont seem right. They were key in the British Rock scene of the 1970s. One of the biggest band in England during the 1970. C*?
They are an A act. T. Rex are one of the overdue acts for 2020. Marc Bolan was an Icon in England. What are your thoughts on all this. C + is a silly rating. Certain Glam rock acts belong. What do you think? What is in your mind on this

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/14/2023 @ 02:36am


Mat R.,

I am curious about your slightly lower rating of Depeche Mode. I guess you are not a big fan either or you find others more deserving. I am Not. This is an irony with all the JD/New Order talk right Here Right Now every day.
I am predicting JD/NO

I think I predicted Depeche Mode because it was inevitable Not because of fan hood. I can deal with An Arena rock induction at same time as an electronic. I play fair. There was not actually 80s arena rock choice for 2020. But in any case Depeche Mode were inducted due to popularity and Large body of work. We should briefly discuss Depeche Mode Matt. Talk to ya later

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/14/2023 @ 15:33pm


Ben,

I think that The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics were way more popular and had much more name recognition in America than JD/NO, I think that you should take JD/NO out of your predictions and add Cyndi Lauper in their place because she fits the trend of recent classes with The Go-Go's, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics getting inducted the last two years, I'm begging you, Please change your mind and don't abstain from predicting Cyndi and take JD/NO out and add Cyndi in their place.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/14/2023 @ 15:42pm


Ben

Sure.....I think they're boring AF unlike say Nine Inch Nails or The Cure.

Richie

Stop telling man's who to vote for

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/14/2023 @ 16:52pm


Richie,

It looks like you don't want JD/NO being inducted given as your irrelevant statements.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/14/2023 @ 16:52pm


Jordan Einstein,

I do want Joy Division/New Order inducted ASAP because they do absolutely deserve induction and they're one of the biggest snubs from the Rock Hall, but I just don't see it for them this year especially not over Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that have had more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/14/2023 @ 17:07pm


Mat R,

Richie only thinks that commercial success & name recognition in America is the only way to get voted in. If that were the case, then Backstreet Boys, Celine Dion & Garth Brooks would have been inducted by now.

Elle,

New Order have two Top 40 albums on Billboard 200 & Blue Monday is regarded as the best selling 12 inch single of all time. It still considers as success although not as the same for George Michael & Cyndi Lauper.

Power,

Regarded it might not be their year but they will get inducted sooner than later.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/14/2023 @ 17:08pm


Richie,

Then leave everyone's predictions as their own.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/14/2023 @ 17:10pm


Matt R,
There you go somehow through the jungle of madness I can respond to ya and say we agree. They were BORING as damn hell.
New wave friend played me some albums of theirs DURING the 80s. Boring. The Cure were slightly better even for a Traditional rocker like me. Also Duran Duran to me. Actually like and find rather good.

Alright I will move ahead to 202- tomorrow perhaps

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/14/2023 @ 22:58pm


Anyone else thinking that the return of the "Can Meg White drum?" debate will get the White Stripes in out of spite for the sexist assholes who clearly don't get what made the White Stripes stand out?

Also for the record Meg's playing shaped the most important mainstream rock band of the 21st century and anyone who knocks it is a pig

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 00:28am


The very last word I expected to hear Depeche Mode described as is Boring. They're so far removed from boring, every song is captivating and the lyrics incredible. After the late 90s tho yea, they lost a lot of steam really fast after songs of faith and devotion

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 00:30am



Ok I will move ahead to the 2021 Class. With this one it was return to a Live Ceremony with Performances and Live speeches all that. The heart of the Pandemic had passed. But there was intense Covid 19 Cautions at the ceremony. I think we still do. We were very Happy to see a ceremony again.

The inductees for the 2021 Rock and R Hall of Fame
Foo Fighters
the Go-Gos
Jay-Z
Carole King
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

Musical Excellence:

LL Cool J
Billy Preston
Randy Rhoades

Early Influence:

Charley Patton
Kraftwerk

I think this was a very good class

I will start later with Carole King. I predicted her many times. One of the finest singer/songwriters of all time. I am proud she is still alive. I love my old Singer/songwriters. I am a slight fan but mainly I like Tapestry album. I first knew Carole King hits as a child. I was 6 or 7 years old and her hits were all over the Radio. Stay tuned

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 01:38am


Alright Carole King opened at the 2021 RNR Hall of F ceremony. It was in Nov. 2021.It had a much happier feeling. Carole King is certainly Happy music.

Carole King

Carole King is one of the finest Singer/Songwriters of all time. She is great. As a huge Old music fan I will tell you she is highly talented. I predicted her 3 years in a row as a Nominee but Did NOT for 2021. I was very happy she was Nominated and Inducted,
Carole King is an American singer, songwriter, and musician who has been active since 1958, initially as one of the staff songwriters at the Brill Building. and later as a solo artist. She is already inducted as a songwriter with Gerry Goffin. But King also wrote 61 hits that charted in the US and UK making her the most successful female songwriter on the UK singles charts between 1962 and 2005 and one of the biggest in the US.

King's major success began in the 1960s when she and her first husband, Gerry Goffin, wrote more than two dozen chart hits, many of which have become standards, for numerous artists. She has continued writing for other artists since then. King's success as a performer in her own right did not come until the 1970s, when she sang her own songs, accompanying herself on the piano, in a series of albums and concerts. The biggest is Tapestry. Thats the one everyone over 40 knows. which topped the U.S. album chart for 15 weeks in 1971 and remained on the charts for more than six years. I remember the hits on this album from back when I was 7 years old. I had a transistor radio for AM.

King has made 25 solo albums, the most successful being Tapestry, which held the record for most weeks at No. 1 by a female artist for more than 20 years. Her record sales were estimated at more than 75 million copies worldwide. She has won Awards all over the world. and was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. She has been inducted twice into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, as a songwriter in 1990 and then as a Performer in 2021. She gave representation to 1970s soft music in 2021. I was proud to watch this on HBO Max a Year and a half ago. Some of my Favorite songs of hers are Its Too Late, I Feel the Earth Move, So Far Away, You've Got a Friend, Where You Lead, Jazzman. I am diverse enoughto know and Love Carole King. My wife loves her even more. We lived during the 1970s. I would think so at 58.

Carole King was inducted by Taylor Swift. I have always scorned Taylor Swift. Many especially middle age guys like me do. But I must say Swift did a good job. She sang Will You Still Love me Tomorrow.

Carole King was one of the earliest artists I was a fan of along with Chicago, Doobie Brothers, Eagles and Jim Croce. I became much louder with music by the end of the 1970s. Thats reflected next. Stay tuned Its LL Cool J and Randy Rhoades

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 02:28am


I will continue this is the year that the Special categories were expanded. Before this they were always treated small. There was 3 acts for Musical Excellence.

LL Cool J

I am Not a Rap fan as I say. But LL is the man. He incorporates some Rock in the rap I think.
There is a couple songs of LL Cool J I like. I never owned any LL Cool J albums. There is 2 songs I like. Give Me Love and Mama Said Knock Me out. He was on MTV a lot alongside Steve WInwood, Roxette and Van Halen. Something like that.
Signed to Def Jam Recordings in 1984, LL Cool J's breakthrough came with his single his landmark debut album, Radio (1985). He achieved further commercial and critical success with the albums Bigger and Deffer (1987), Walking with a Panther (1989), Mama Said Knock You Out (1990), Mr. Smith (1995), among others. I know the album titles. He is deserved of induction if include Rap music.

Randy Rhoads

Randy Rhoads was an American guitarist. He was the co-founder and original guitarist of the heavy metal band Quiet Riot, and the guitarist and for Ozzy Osbourne's first two solo albums Blizzard of Ozz (1980) and Diary of a Madman (1981). Rhoads was in the spotlight as a talent in Ozzy's band. He is guitar legend. This gave good representation of Heavy Metal in the Hall. I am not a huge fan of Heavy Metal but I like a bunch. Randy is one of the greatest guitarists of Old Heavy Metal.
He reached his peak as the guitarist for Ozzy's solo career, performing on tracks including "Crazy Train" and "Mr. Crowley" on the Blizzard of Ozz album. "Crazy Train" features one of the most well-known heavy metal guitar riffs. "Over the Mountain". "Flying High Again"
"You Can't Kill Rock and Roll" shows some more great solos of Randy.
He died in a plane crash while on tour with Ozzy in Florida in 1982. Despite his short career, Rhoads is regarded as a leading figure figure in metal music, credited with pioneering a fast and technical style of guitar soloing that largely defined the heavy metal scene of the 1980s. He helped to popularize various guitar techniques now common in heavy metal music. He always shows up on greatest guitarists lists.

Billy Preston

Billy Preston is a great talent in his way. He was a keyboard player in the last days of the Beatles. And also Had dynamite hits of his. And worked with the Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton on lot of their albums. He gained attention as a solo artist with hits such as "Outa-Space", "Will It Go Round in Circles", "Space Race", "Nothing from Nothing", and "With You I'm Born Again". Additionally, Preston co-wrote "You Are So Beautiful", which became a Top 10 hit for Joe Cocker. He ddidnt have any hits after the 1970s but did great session work

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 04:29am


As of this point, I literally don't care about who gets inducted or not because any of 14 nominees would make a great class & always looking forward to the ceremony. So with that said, I'll be taking a little break from this site until we get closer to the announcements. See ya next month or so!

Cheers!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 07:23am


Some added things on Randy Rhoads. One of the best Heavy Metal guitarists. Not into alll genres but definitely love some Heavy Metal, NOT an expert of Heavy Metal but dig some 1980s Metal. I heard some Metal shops during the 1980s. I still listen to Heavy Metal about every 2 months. NO NU Metal but love those early Scorps tunes and Twisted Sister. I hoped for Ozzy as a Performer in the Hall but at least Randy gave representation to Heavy Metal.
I remember when Randy Rhoads was killed in the Helicopter. He died sooo young. I was never into Armored Saint, Dio, Obsession, Sepultura. Nothing that Metal But Twisted Sister, Priest and Some Iron Maiden Ozzy, Scorpions, Ratt. Motkey are veryyy cool. Sepulutura will never be inducted. and sooo Randy Rhoads was a good moment for Heavy Metal.
The best Metal band of alll time is Metallica. I own 5 Metallica albums. Nobody of heavy metal was inducted then until 2021. Randy Rhoads is coool. I was into part of the Heavy Metal scene but 80s only

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 08:01am


Not 2023 related but a super funny read some here might get a kick out of.

Also reminds me, time to add more post-1965 early influence inductees cause blues influence on music might be dead

https://thehardtimes.net/music/uncle-struggling-to-explain-how-100-gecs-descended-from-the-blues/

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 09:22am


How many performer inductions do you think we'll see this year?

Here are the numbers from 2010 to now:
2010: 5
2011: 5
2012: 6 (It's really 12 if you count all the backing bands that were inducted)
2013: 5
2014: 6
2015: 6
2016: 5
2017: 6
2018: 5
2019: 7
2020: 6
2021: 6
2022: 7

We've definitely, seen the induction classes grow larger every year so I hope we see 7 inductions again this year. I hope we never see five inductions ever again. The backlog is too clogged up.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 16:05pm


Garrick,

I think it will be either 6 or 7 Performer inductees just like the past few years.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 16:13pm


Garrick,

In 2013, There were 6 Performer inductees, not 5.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 16:14pm


richie,

You begged me to do 2020-2022 classes/ I am doing it and regulars are reviewing BUT what about YOU!1 Are you going to review 2020? 2021 It s something to talk about Yet You stay with the same Debate of a new wave name I will NOT say.What happened

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 18:59pm


with the low number of nominees this year, I fear it might be a 5 act class again. The Hall doesn't know how to fix things, only to jump on trends

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 19:00pm


In 2019, 14 was nominated but 7 was inducted.

Therefore, I think it is either 6 or 7 in this year.

Posted by Power on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 19:02pm


Fix it, 15 was nominated in 2019

Posted by Power on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 19:04pm


K-Dawg,

I think that we'll get either 6 or 7 inductees again this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 19:49pm


Five inductees would be so lame. Imagine Kate Bush coming in 7th place and having to be inducted via Musical Excellence because of that cut-off.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 20:28pm


Five inductees would be so lame. Imagine Kate Bush coming in 7th place and having to be inducted via Musical Excellence because of that cut-off.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 20:28pm


Garrick,

I just don't see Kate Bush getting in as a Performer, I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 21:07pm


So guys I asked something.

There has been a debate online about meg white being a good drummer and basically everyone came to her defense, including several hall voters, and now major music outlets are talking about how sexist the discourse about meg is and highlighting that she's nominated for the rock hall and would be only the 3rd female drummer to go in.

Do we think this tips things in their favour? cause this conversation was massive

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 21:58pm


Mat R,

Nope, I see The White Stripes being like Radiohead and having to wait a year to get in just like Radiohead did, so I think that The White Stripes will get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 22:13pm


Richie

...foo fighters 2021. Keeping the spirit of rock alive jack white is.....unlike those asshats in radiohead

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 23:00pm


Mat R,

but I just don't see The White Stripes being like Foo Fighters, I see The White Stripes being like Radiohead and they will have to wait a year to get in just like Radiohead and they will get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 23:16pm


I've been holding my tongue on this for months but I just have to say something. Does anybody else find it annoying how Richie keeps spamming and recycling the same comments and responses over and over again? Like if I make a comment about Kate Bush I'll get the same "I think Kate Bush will get Musical Excellence this year. What do you think?" response over and over again?

Am I crazy? It doesn't matter what artist it is: Willie Nelson, Sheryl Crow, Joy Division/New Order, The White Stripes, etc. It's always the same responses. Is Richie even a real person or is a bot making these comments?

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 23:34pm


Garrick,

I am a real person (not a bot) and I am autistic, I was born on April 11, 1996 and I'll be 27 years old in a few weeks, My Nana died a couple of months ago on January 16, 2023 and My Mom is suffering from advanced lung cancer (which she was diagnosed last year), but all in all, We are doing well and still grieving over the loss of My Nana.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/15/2023 @ 23:45pm


It's Richie. There are others here who have done the same thing, and they are missed, like Enigmaticus. That being said, it's annoying as hell at times

I think Meg White enhances the Stripes' chance for induction, which is already pretty good, given how rock declined as the dominant genre in a hurry since 1995. The HOF is desperate to cling onto those rockists who get butthurt at the thought their precious lists have things they deem outside their narrow interpretation of what should be in. Meg is a "rocker chick", and a female drummer, who actually is a minority in rock in general.

I would hope for 6 or 7, but 5 wouldn't surprise me. It would disappoint me, however.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 02:06am


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Roscoe on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 02:59am


One of the greatest Performers is Next. She has been actually doing music for 60 years.
She is one of my favorite performers. She is terrific. She was veryy overdue

Tina Turner

Tina Turner started making music over 60 years ago. However it was with Ike Turner. Ike and Tina Turner were inducted in 1991. But she has never been nominated for her great solo work until 2021. Turner began her career with Ike Turner's Kings of Rhythm in 1957. Under the name Little Ann, she appeared on her first record, "Boxtop", in 1958. In 1960, she debuted as Tina Turner with the hit duet single "A Fool in Love". The duo Ike & Tina Turner became "one of the most popular live acts in history" They released hits such as "It's Gonna Work Out Fine", "River Deep – Mountain High", "Proud Mary", and "Nutbush City Limits" before disbanding in 1975.

Ike Turner abused her So she left him for her own life and career. In the 1980s, Turner launched "one of the greatest comebacks in music history". Her 1984 hit album Private Dancer contained the hit "What's Love Got to Do with It" became her first and only number one song on the Billboard Hot 100. At age 44, she was the oldest female solo artist to thave number 1 song. Her chart success continued with "Better Be Good to Me", "Private Dancer", "We Don't Need Another Hero (Thunderdome)", "Typical Male", "The Best", "I Don't Wanna Fight", and "GoldenEye". During her Break Every Rule World Tour in 1988, she set a then-Guinness World Record for the largest paying audience (180,000) for a solo performer. That says something. She has always had a lot of energy.

Tina has also been in movies like Tommy and Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
Having sold over 100 million records worldwide, Turner is one of the best-selling recording artists of all time. She is the first black artist and first woman to be on the cover of Rolling Stone. Rolling Stone ranked her among the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time and the 100 Greatest Singers of All Time. Turner has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame She has twice been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, with Ike Turner in 1991 and as a solo artist in 2021.She is also a 2005 winner of the Kennedy Center Honors and Women of the Year award. She has a fantastic resume. I am proud to have her in the RNR Hall, She is old as hell but is still alive and is a legend

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 03:15am


The next act didnt even like the Hall or anything about it. He was inducted due to his importance and fans. He was a key producer and performer in the 1970s.


Todd Rundgren

Many of us predicted Todd Rundgren as Musical Excellence at this time 2 years ago. BUT NO Todd was Inducted the regular way as Performer. He is even more known as a Producer than a singer. But he was inducted as he was. He is known for his sophisticated and often unorthodox music, his occasionally lavish stage shows, and his later experiments with interactive art. He also produced music videos and was an early adopter and promoter of various computer technologies, such as using the Internet as a means of music distribution in the late 1990s. He is a tech for sure.
A native of Philadelphia, Todd began his professional career in the mid-1960s, forming the psychedelic band Nazz in 1967. Two years later, he left Nazz to pursue a solo career and immediately scored his first US hit with "We Gotta Get You a Woman" (1970). His best-known songs include "Hello It's Me" and "I Saw the Light" from Something/Anything? (1972), which get frequent air time on classic rock radio stations, and the 1983 single "Bang the Drum All Day", which is featured in many sports arenas, commercials, and movie trailers. Although lesser known, "Couldn't I Just Tell You" (1972) and Sometimes I Don't Know What to Feel(1973) influential to many artists in the power pop genre.. His 1973 album A Wizard, a True Star remains an influence on later generations of unknown musicians.

Todd is considered a pioneer in the fields of electronic music, progressive rock, music videos, computer software, and Internet music delivery. He organized the first interactive television concert in 1978, designed the first color graphics tablet in 1980, and created the first interactive album, No World Order, in 1994. Additionally, he was one of the first acts to be prominent as both an artist and producer.His notable production credits include Grand Funk Railroad's We're an American Band (1973). We talked about this one in my High School. Also the New York Dolls' Debut (1973), Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell (1977), and XTC's Skylarking (1986). He was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2021. He was inducted by Patti Smith. I can see that since they are both Reclusive people. I dont think anyone performed for Todd. He was certainly NOT there. It was not even a current speech by Todd. AN Old video of Todd speaking was shown. Hwe is deserved of induction.

What do you think what is on you mind with this.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 04:52am


The next act didnt even like the Hall or anything about it. He was inducted due to his importance and fans. He was a key producer and performer in the 1970s.


Todd Rundgren

Many of us predicted Todd Rundgren as Musical Excellence at this time 2 years ago. BUT NO Todd was Inducted the regular way as Performer. He is even more known as a Producer than a singer. But he was inducted as he was. He is known for his sophisticated and often unorthodox music, his occasionally lavish stage shows, and his later experiments with interactive art. He also produced music videos and was an early adopter and promoter of various computer technologies, such as using the Internet as a means of music distribution in the late 1990s. He is a tech for sure.
A native of Philadelphia, Todd began his professional career in the mid-1960s, forming the psychedelic band Nazz in 1967. Two years later, he left Nazz to pursue a solo career and immediately scored his first US hit with "We Gotta Get You a Woman" (1970). His best-known songs include "Hello It's Me" and "I Saw the Light" from Something/Anything? (1972), which get frequent air time on classic rock radio stations, and the 1983 single "Bang the Drum All Day", which is featured in many sports arenas, commercials, and movie trailers. Although lesser known, "Couldn't I Just Tell You" (1972) and Sometimes I Don't Know What to Feel(1973) influential to many artists in the power pop genre.. His 1973 album A Wizard, a True Star remains an influence on later generations of unknown musicians.

Todd is considered a pioneer in the fields of electronic music, progressive rock, music videos, computer software, and Internet music delivery. He organized the first interactive television concert in 1978, designed the first color graphics tablet in 1980, and created the first interactive album, No World Order, in 1994. Additionally, he was one of the first acts to be prominent as both an artist and producer.His notable production credits include Grand Funk Railroad's We're an American Band (1973). We talked about this one in my High School. Also the New York Dolls' Debut (1973), Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell (1977), and XTC's Skylarking (1986). He was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2021. He was inducted by Patti Smith. I can see that since they are both Reclusive people. I dont think anyone performed for Todd. He was certainly NOT there. It was not even a current speech by Todd. AN Old video of Todd speaking was shown. Hwe is deserved of induction.

What do you think what is on you mind with this.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 04:52am


Courtney Love went on a tweeting spree yesterday on Twitter, criticizing the Rock Hall for it's overall small number of women inductees, how it would take many years for women to get inducted than men, and criticizing the anonymous rock hall voter in that Vulture interview when the voter said that they don't know if they would vote for her music simply because they don't know her music that well. I wonder if that public rant would inadvertently be Courtney's endorsement for Kate to be an inductee???

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/courtney-love-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-b2301705.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1678910598

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 08:27am


Elle dee

I saw that rant and while Courtney isn't wrong I'm doubtful her word has much pull among voters. While she's insanely influential she's also incredibly polarizing so I think her comments will go down kinda like Ted Nugent, another incredibly influential figure who is super polarizing who often shittalks the rock hall.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 09:56am


Mat R,

What really made me laugh about the one anonymous voter in the Vulture interview who said that they don't know if they would vote for Kate Bush because they don't know her catalogue is that the voter is just so damn lazy. Would it hurt the voters to do research on the 14 artists that are on the ballot before they officially make their final decision?? That voter acts like Kate Bush is some obscure artist whose music is hard to track down. The voter can literally STREAM her entire music catalogue (albums, singles, and music videos) right now on Spotify, Apple Music, and YouTube. Her catalogue is available digitally at their fingertips. So I don't buy that anonymous voter's BS excuse for not knowing Kate's music enough to decide to vote for her or not because they're being just lazy and not doing any research. I often question the integrity of the rock hall voters.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 10:48am


Elle dee

Yep. Like if the voter is like 80 years old and a how do I open pdf type I can get it but I do not think that is the case. Like Christ just google everyone if you don't know em and listen to 2 or 3 songs on YouTube and judge based on that. Like that should be the bare minimum for voters and the rock hall should include those instructions with each ballot

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 11:12am


Artists with no less than 3 albums on rolling stones list almost are all inducted, except Pavement, D'Angelo, Big Star, JD/NO and Fiona Apple.

I think all of them will be inducted before 2040.

Posted by Power on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 18:00pm


Power,

Who do you think will be the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you have as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 18:21pm


Power

I can see them ignoring pavement until after 2040. Pixies, stone roses, wilco, and sonic youth are bigger names and will probably each take multiple nominations or a side category to get in and the hall will try to get the strokes, vampire weekend, and Lana del Rey is as quickly as they can and if an indie lane exists they'll be given a clear lane.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 19:13pm


Richie
I think

Zevon
Cyndi
George
Missy
Willie
Soundgarden
Bush (ME)

will be inducted in this year.

If 7, I would take white stripes over tribe because Jack White is a bigger name than Q-Tip.
I do not see Crow in this year. Mary J. Blige is a big name than her, more influential, friendly with the hall and not in yet. Crow will fight against other women like bush, cyndi and missy, which is hard.

Posted by Power on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 19:28pm


Power

Add on

I wonder what the chances my bloody valentine gets in are. Pretty much everyone on the in rs500 top 100 albums fits the usual rock hall profile except them.

They had no commercial success at all (no gold or platinum or evening charting albums in America - they had like a minor alt radio hit and that's it) and have no famous members or anything. Just acclaim and influence.

They are a very weird case

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 19:30pm


Power,

I think that you're really underestimating Sheryl Crow's chances this year, She's a longtime friend of the Rock Hall, She inducted Pat Benatar and performed for Dolly Parton last year (Which helped Nine Inch Nails (Trent Reznor inducted The Cure in 2019 and NIN got in the following year in 2020), Eminem (He performed with LL Cool J in 2021 and he got in FYE the following year in 2022) and Lionel Richie (He inducted Clarence Avant in 2021 and he got in the following year in 2022) to get in the year after they appeared at the previous ceremony), plus she's got an exhibit opening at the museum on March 23 called Soak Up The Sun: The Music Of Sheryl Crow, so yeah, I think that she's got a very good chance of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 19:55pm


Power

I'd say the Mary j comparison is better suited to Missy than Sheryl.

I also think sheryl is immune to the losing votes to the other women on the ballot cause they're mostly fighting for pop votes and Sheryl's seen as a rocker....and the biggest one on the ballot. She gives rockist voters (Eddie truck, gene Simmons) the ability to pick a rockist af ballot and have it be inclusive (which in the case of trunk we know he'll do)

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 20:05pm


Yes.

Thanks for Richie's information.

I may substitute Crow for Soundgarden.

Posted by Power on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 21:19pm


Power,

I think you shouldn't substitute Soundgarden for Sheryl Crow, I think you should substitute Missy Elliott for Sheryl Crow, I think that you're overestimating Missy's chances this year, I just don't see her as an FYE inductee, She's not as big of a household name in Rap/Hip-Hop as Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z and Eminem (all recent FYE Rap/Hip-Hop inductees) are, so for that reason, I just don't see her as an FYE inductee, I do think that she'll get in sooner rather than later, but I think that it'll take her 2-3 tries to get in. She's not a big enough name to pull off a FYI induction.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 21:45pm


Yes.

But I do not think there will no rappers inducted in this year.

The votes for Soundgarden will be splited by Iron Maiden and RATM.

Posted by Power on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 21:55pm


Power,

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence as well

I think that if a Rap/Hip-Hop act gets in this year, I think that it will be DJ Kool Herc as an Early Influence because it's the 50th anniversary of Rap/Hip-Hop this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 22:00pm


JD/NO will be rectified this year.

Really? D'Angelo is on that list? Surprising...

And, Sheryl Crow is an outlier at this point.. And I can see the Stripes getting in even if they're only 5 nommed.

Sorry, Richie, not trying to disagree with you on all fronts, but that's the way it works this time around...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 22:47pm


K-Dawg,

I think that there will be either 6 or 7 Performer inductees again this year just like the past few years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 22:53pm


Alright I'll do final prediction (and I honestly have no freaking clue)

Performer
-Sheryl Crow
-George Michael
-Willie Nelson
-Soundgarden
-The White Stripes
-Warren Zevon

Only six with no rap and very rock focused. Not that diverse but one female centric act (but 2 women overall), 1 gay person, and 2 Asian people so not terrible. (RICHIE PLEASE DON'T BUG ME FOR PICKING STRIPES OR CYNDI)

Early Influence
-DJ Kool Herc
-Salt-N-Pepa
-Big Mama Thornton

50 years of hip hop needs to be presented and a female centric rap act needs in. Both make sense. Also with the movie Elvis I suspect it's Big Mama's time.

Musicial Excellence
-Kate Bush
-Carol Kaye

Kate Bush gets the jury prize and they finally do Carol cause they seem to want a sideman or producer in addition to the jury pick

Ahmet Ertegun Award
-Bob Ezrin
-Michel Gondry

Ezrin is the metal and prog acknowledgement and Gondry is the first nod to music videos directly without going all MTV execs

International Prize
-Fela Kuti

I think they do it

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 23:14pm


Mat R,

I think that there'll be 7 Performer inductees again this year, I think that there's no way that Cyndi is going to miss this year, especially with the ceremony back in NYC (her hometown) this year, so I think that you should add her as the 7th Performer inductee this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 23:31pm


Richie

I'm going to withhold but if they do do 7 it'll be her or JD/NO

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 23:38pm


Mat R,

Please don't withhold, I think that you should add a 7th Performer inductee to your predictions this year, I hope and I think that it will be 7 Performer inductees again this year, as well as it should be.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/16/2023 @ 23:43pm


Mat R,

I think that you should take The White Stripes out of your predictions and add Cyndi Lauper in their place because the Rock Hall wants to continue with inducting big acts that are part of the golden age of the MTV era in the 80's. First it was The Go-Go's in 2021, then Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and Eurythmics last year in 2022. So, they're going to continue that pattern with Cyndi this year. As I've said it numerous times before, I just have a really hard time seeing The White Stripes getting in FYE especially if Radiohead couldn't back in 2018, Yes, Foo Fighters got in FYE in 2021, but they're more closer to Nirvana/Green Day/Pearl Jam than Radiohead, The White Stripes are more closer to Radiohead than Nirvana/Green Day/Pearl Jam/Foo Fighters, so I think that they will get the Radiohead treatment and I think that they will wait a year just like Radiohead did and they'll get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did back in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 00:31am


But Richie the act with the biggest song on the ballot goes in. That's been the pattern for a while now and the White Stripes have that this year like Journey did in 2017. And they're new! Like Foo Fighters or Jay-Z or Eminem! And they are insides like Jay-Z or Foo Fighter. Are you suggesting that the hall will break its long standing tradition for Girls Just Want to Have fun and look totally out of touch? Imagine what FIFA would think when their unofficial theme song is snubbed for 80s nothing....they're probably bar Mick Jagger from all events forever

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 00:49am


Mat R,

but I think that Girls Just Want To Have Fun is a much more iconic and a much more beloved song than Seven Nation Army is, As I've said it before, I think that The White Stripes will wait a year just like Radiohead did and they'll get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 00:57am


Richie

LOL i'm sorry but no it's not...at all.

Seven Nation Army is a song that has actually become a song of the people on a scale unlike anything Cyndi or George or Willie or Maiden ever did. Not just in America but globally. There's a reason 70k people in Alabama at a college football game will chant in and then the next day 50k in Mumbai at a cricket match will chant it and then 65k in London at a soccer match will chant and then 30k in Sydney will chant it as a rugby match. It's a global folk song.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 01:01am


Mat R,

but I have to respectfully disagree with you, Girls Just Want To Have Fun is the official ultimate Women's Girl Power anthem, It is an iconic all-time 80's classic, so it is a much more iconic and beloved song than Seven Nation Army is.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 01:11am


Richie

With R-e-s-p-e-c-t when a song cuckolds queen's we will rock you out of being the ultimate jock jam it's the folk song of the people and the fact you'd try to argue girls just want to have fun is the ultimate female empowerment song when you know R-e-s-p-e-c-t exists is cartoonish. Like shit wannabe is more iconic for girl power (also the most punk song of the 90s but that's a different argument...spice girls rock hall 2024)

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 01:17am


Mat R,

No, It's not cartoonish, Also, We Will Rock You is a much more iconic and a much more beloved Rock song than Seven Nation Army is as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 01:30am


My favorite song by each nominee...this was done earlier in a limited capacity:

Cyndi Lauper - Time After Time
George Michael - Faith
Iron Maiden - Where Eagles Dare
Soundgarden - Fourth of July
Spinners - Rubber Band Man
Sheryl Crow - If It Makes You Happy
JD/NO - Shell Shock
Willie Nelson - On the Road Again
Warren Zevon - Lawyers Guns and Money
Missy Elliott - Gossip Folks
White Stripes - Icky Thump
A Trybe Called Quest - Electric Relaxation
Kate Bush - Hounds of Love
Rage Against the Machine - Guerrilla Radio

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 01:42am


And soo the Early Influence was expanded like all the special categories. It expands from the 1950s to the 70s. There were 3 in 2021. Perhaps I hope someone will give thoughts on these.

Charley Patton

This shows that Blues is still viable in the Hall. Soo many Blue and Doo wop experts retired or were let go by the Hall. There is those a few years younger like Steve Van Zant and Paul Schaefer still on committee. They know Blues.
And so Charley Patton was picked. Patton was considered African-American, but because of his light complexion there has been much speculation about his ancestry over the years. One theory said bt blues musician Howlin' Wolf was that Patton was Mexican or Cherokee. It is generally agreed that Patton was of Black and Native heritage. I dont know enough to say. In "Down the Dirt Road Blues", Patton sang of having gone to "the Nation" and "the Territo'", referring to the Cherokee Nation's portion of the Indian Territory (which became part of the state of Oklahoma in 1907), I only learned about Charley Patton with his induction

Kraftwerk

I am No way an Electronic expert or fan of any kind. What can I say I was busy with albums by Steve Miller Band, Gr Dead and Jeff Beck when this group were around. BUT google helps a lot. If an Old rocker like me can do this can the Old old Voters. My tastes are probably similar to an Old Voter like Lindsay Buckingham yeah of F Mac and maybe Phil Collins himself. Its doubtful they know
On commercially successful albums such as Autobahn (1974), Trans-Europe Express (1977), The Man-Machine (1978), and Computer World (1981), Kraftwerk developed a self-described "robot pop" style that combined electronic music with pop melodies, sparse arrangements, and repetitive rhythms, while adopting a hip image including matching suits. Following the release of Electric Café (1986), a guy named Flur left the group in 1987, followed by Bartos in 1990. Founding member Schneider left in 2008. I don't know Kraftwerk much. But I know a little more on this group thanks to google. In 2021 Kraftwerk were inducted to the RnR Hall of Fame in early influence

Gil Scott Heron
His music, most notably on the albums Pieces of a Man and Winter in America in the early 1970s, influenced and foreshadowed later African-American music genres such as hip hop and neo soul. His recording work received much critical acclaim, especially for "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised". That is the one tune I know. AllMusic's John Bush called him "one of the most important progenitors of rap music", stating that "his aggressive, no-nonsense street poetry inspired a legion of intelligent rappers. I can tell th at based on the one song. He had that liberal attitude for his fellow Blacks. He was inducted also in Early Influence

Any thoughts on these. Whats on your mind with 2021 Early Influence. This can lay the basis for current prediction of E Influence in 2023

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 02:33am


If you want, Ben, I'll do the heavy lifting on Jay-Z in the next day or two

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 03:32am


If you want, Ben, I'll do the heavy lifting on Jay-Z in the next day or two

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 03:32am


K-Dawg,

That would be awesome. When your music goes back literally to 1971 72 one may NOT know Jay-Z. Hey when I was hearing music during the early 70s was Jay Z born yet? Well there I was with all the music of early 70s. James Taylor, Cat Stevens, Eric Clapton is what I started with. NOT every 58 year old is an expert on Jay-Z. But I do NOT scorn him. I don't scorn Jay-Z so I guess nobody here scorns Eric C and Chicago, etc.
Up next is the Go-Gos though. The Go Gos are very coool

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 03:50am


Jay-Z is actually 54. No, this isn' the start of his biography lol...it's just saying I didn't realize he was born a few years earlier than maybe thought...and that's not to say his entrepreneurship didn't come at a young age. He's been doing more than rapping and making millions since his 20s.

More to come, mainly on his music

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 06:54am


After Zevon in, who will be the next 60-70's songwriter to be nominated?

Posted by Power on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 08:29am


Power,

I think Harry Nilsson without a doubt after Zevon gets in this year, I think that Nilsson is the last 70's Singer-Songwriter left after Zevon gets in this year that's absolutely deserving of a nomination and an induction at this point (I classify Joe Cocker as Classic Rock and Roberta Flack as R&B/Soul), so I think that Nilsson is the last 70's Singer-Songwriter left to get nominated and inducted after Zevon gets in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 08:50am


My Bloody Valentine may be inducted after 2040 in side category. At that time, the nomination committee may be full of people in alternative and indie scene. I think they may be inducted at that time due to their great contribution to indie/alternative music.

Posted by Power on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 09:51am


Yes.

The singer-songwriter era is generally over.

Then in next 15-20 years, a ton of artists in 80-90's will be inducted. I do not think there will be many 00's artists catch the attention of the nomination committee. I do not like the chance of 00's rock bands like Vampire Weekend and Arcade Fire.

Posted by Power on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 09:54am


Power,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall induction classes from 2023-2040 (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 09:58am


Power

Yea like who is left that makes sense for the Hall of Fame other than Harry Nilsson (who had innovations) and Don McLean (who had the commercial success)? Not much from the 70s unless Chris de Burgh had a bunch of secret hits. I think they're not done with the genre cause after all Sheryl Crow fits in here fairly well as do Sarah McLachlan, Tracey Chapman, Tori Amos, Jack Johnson, Sara Bareilles, and John Mayer, all of whom will probably get in at some point. With the Halls get women inducted mission that pool in the 90s and 2000s is gonna be kinda vital to them (same with Indie Rock)

Agree on My Bloody Valentine but curious how (I'd get on, if they do it and I think they will, an international prize)

Regarding the 60s/70s, if Zevon gets in this year, I'd guess Nilsson or Meat Loaf (if they want a solo artist) or The Guess Who or Boston (if they want band)...however after the chat I had I think J Geils Band could come back kinda like The Spinners

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 10:15am


Harry Nilsson seems likely to be last of the 70's singer-songwriters. After that i think they will move on to singer-songwriters of the 80's and beyond.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 10:29am


Mat R,

I think that you should please take The White Stripes out of your predictions and add Cyndi Lauper in their place because of current trends, I just can't see the Rock Hall only inducting one female-centric act this year especially with 2021 inducting 3 and last year inducting 4, plus so many 80's MTV icons are getting in at the moment and Cyndi is one of the biggest 80's MTV icons left to get in, so she'll benefit from it this year, As I've said it before, I just have a really hard time seeing The White Stripes getting in on their first nomination especially if fellow indie acts Radiohead and Beck couldn't, Yes, Foo Fighters got in FYE in 2021, but they're more mainstream Rock (same with Nirvana, Green Day and Pearl Jam) and there seems to be a bias against indie acts as well, so there's an anti-indie bias going on as well and I see them getting the Radiohead treatment and they will get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 10:30am


I guess for two years. just for fun.

2023:
Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
Missy Eliott
Kate Bush (ME)

2024:
The nominees: The White Stripes, Beck, Coldplay, Joy Division/New Order, Devo, Outkast, A Tribe Called Quest, Iron Maiden, RATM, The Meters (Questlove and other people in nomination committee who stand for black music may consider another black music artist for another try), Dionne Warwick, Mary J. Blige, Fela Kuti, Thin Lizzy

The inductees: Coldplay, The White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, Outkast, RATM, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick

I think other than Journey, no other AOR bands will be inducted like Boston.

MC5 and New York Dolls may be inducted in ME finally.

Posted by Power on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 10:33am


I guess for two years. just for fun.

2023:
Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
Missy Eliott
Kate Bush (ME)

2024:
The nominees: The White Stripes, Beck, Coldplay, Joy Division/New Order, Devo, Outkast, A Tribe Called Quest, Iron Maiden, RATM, The Meters (Questlove and other people in nomination committee who stand for black music may consider another black music artist for another try), Dionne Warwick, Mary J. Blige, Fela Kuti, Thin Lizzy

The inductees: Coldplay, The White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, Outkast, RATM, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick

I think other than Journey, no other AOR bands will be inducted like Boston.

MC5 and New York Dolls may be inducted in ME finally.

Posted by Power on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 10:33am


Legit q: what do people think about don mclean and the hall?

Like if Zevon and Nilsson go in that kind of leaves him the last of that world not in and he had more commercial success that either of them and he without doubt has not just 1 song which is bigger than anything either of them did but 2 (he has Vincent as well).

Like if the singles were still active, he'd probably get stuck there with American pie but it's seemingly gone.

Think he has a real shot?

Richie

No

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 10:36am


Legit q: what do people think about don mclean and the hall?

Like if Zevon and Nilsson go in that kind of leaves him the last of that world not in and he had more commercial success that either of them and he without doubt has not just 1 song which is bigger than anything either of them did but 2 (he has Vincent as well).

Like if the singles were still active, he'd probably get stuck there with American pie but it's seemingly gone.

Think he has a real shot?

Richie

No

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 10:36am


Mat R,

There seems to be a 3-year pattern for nominating Grunge acts:

2014: Nirvana
2017: Pearl Jam
2020: Soundgarden
2023: Soundgarden (again)

If Soundgarden gets in this year following Nirvana in 2014 and Pearl Jam in 2017 as the next Grunge act, Do you think that Alice In Chains will get nominated immediately after Soundgarden's induction the following year in 2024 or soon after Soundgarden's induction (around 2026 to continue the 3-year pattern for nominating Grunge acts)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 11:14am


Mat R,

There seems to be a 3-year pattern for nominating Grunge acts:

2014: Nirvana
2017: Pearl Jam
2020: Soundgarden
2023: Soundgarden (again)

If Soundgarden gets in this year following Nirvana in 2014 and Pearl Jam in 2017 as the next Grunge act, Do you think that Alice In Chains will get nominated immediately after Soundgarden's induction the following year in 2024 or soon after Soundgarden's induction (around 2026 to continue the 3-year pattern for nominating Grunge acts)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 11:14am


I have posted my prediction of 23 and 24 class.

After Ratm and Soundgarden in, which alternative artist do you think have a decent chance?

Alice in Chains? Jane's Addiction? Smashing Pumpkins? Bad Brains?Sonic Youth?Pixies?The Smiths?The Replacements?Oasis?

Posted by power on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 11:28am


Power,

Your predictions for the 2023 inductees (Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden and Warren Zevon plus Kate Bush via Musical Excellence) are spot on.

So is your predictions for the 2024 nominees (Beck, Mary J. Blige, Coldplay, Devo, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Fela Kuti, The Meters, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, Thin Lizzy, A Tribe Called Quest, Dionne Warwick and The White Stripes) are spot on as well.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 11:51am


Mat r, I don't know if Don McLean has much of a chance. It's a maybe since American Pie is an iconic song.

Speaking of other singer-songwriters of that era do you think Jim Croce has a chance? Others I would like to see get considered but doubtful that'll ever happen: Dan Fogelberg, Joan Armatrading and Rickie Lee Jones.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 12:04pm


Richie

I don't think they go for Alice in chains yet. They're big but kinda of more into the b tier of 90s alt. Also I think the act they're a metal band will keep them off for a bit. Def see a nomination before 2030.

I see like pumpkins, oasis, Weezer, cranberries, maybe matchbox twenty (rob Thomas is well liked) getting looked at before Alice in chains and like Beck and dmb returning to the ballot first as well.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 14:14pm


Mat R,

For once, I have to agree with you on Alice In Chains, Unlike Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, They were an outlier to the Seattle Grunge scene and they have a Metal hue to them unlike the other Grunge bands, plus the fact that they're the most Heavy Metal of the four big Grunge bands (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Alice In Chains) will hurt them for a while as well. I do think that they'll get nominated eventually, but not for at least a few more years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 14:35pm


Mat R,

At the 2021 induction ceremony, The late Taylor Hawkins of the Foo Fighters (when they got inducted) said that he wanted to see George Michael, Jane's Addiction and Soundgarden get in at some point, Now, If George Michael and Soundgarden both get in this year, Do you think that we'll see Jane's Addiction return to the ballot next year after a 7-year absence (They were nominated for the 2017 class) and maybe get in on their second try?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 14:43pm


Greg F,

If the rock hall has no problem possibly inducting Sheryl Crow this year, then they should have no problem inducting Rickie Lee Jones. It's clear Sheryl is influenced by Rickie, especially on her first album Tuesday Night Music Club. Her singing style on 'All I Wanna Do' and 'Leaving Las Vegas' is very Rickie Lee Jones-esque. I think Rickie Lee Jones will get inducted one day, mostly on the strengths of her first two album - her self-titled debut and Pirates.

As for Joan Armatrading, I love, love, love her music so much. Sadly, I don't see her getting inducted at all because she's more commercially successful in the UK than in the U.S., even though she has a strong cult following and influenced many great ladies of the Lilith Fair era - Tracy Chapman, Indigo Girls, Melissa Etheridge, and Fiona Apple.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 14:58pm


Greg f

The thing is after Zevon and Nilsson, the sort of everyone from the golden age of singer songwriter era who realistically can get in on the ballot is in.... except for don McLean. Unlike most of whom you mentioned, everyone and their mother and gen z kid knows McLean's american pie and maybe Vincent which is a big x factor. He's also alive and playing still.

I do think he isn't seen that seriously so I dunno

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 15:23pm


Mat R,

I think you're underestimating Cyndi Lauper's chances and overestimating The White Stripes's chances this year, I think that Cyndi is very likely to get in this year because of the current 80's and MTV trend, plus the ceremony's going to be back in New York (Her hometown) this year at Barclays Center in Brooklyn (Her birthplace) this year, so Cyndi has the hometown hero advantage this year as well, As I've said it numerous times before, I just have a really hard time seeing The White Stripes getting in on their first nomination especially if Radiohead and Beck couldn't, Yes, Foo Fighters got in on their first nomination (same with Nirvana, Green Day and Pearl Jam), but they're more Mainstream Rock (same with Nirvana, Green Day and Pearl Jam) plus, there is an anti-Indie bias thing going on at the Rock Hall, so that will hurt them as well, so I see them getting the Radiohead Effect and they'll get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 16:01pm


Richie

White stripes are way closer to traditional rock than either radio"let's pretend we're Aphex twin"head and be"Imma rap about tacos over this Abba meets Waylon Jennings sample"ck.

Also are you pissed about the who cares today?

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 16:54pm


Mat R,

I'm going to list off all the Canadian Music Hall of Fame inductees from 1978-today and they are:

1978: Guy Lombardo, Oscar Peterson
1979: Hank Snow
1980: Paul Anka
1981: Joni Mitchell
1982: Neil Young
1983: Glenn Gould
1984: The Crew-Cuts, The Diamonds, The Four Lads
1985: Wilf Carter
1986: Gordon Lightfoot
1987: The Guess Who
1989: The Band
1990: Maureen Forrester
1991: Leonard Cohen
1992: Ian & Sylvia
1993: Anne Murray
1994: Rush
1995: Buffy Sainte-Marie
1996: David Clayton-Thomas, Denny Doherty, John Kay, Domenic Troiano, Zal Yanovsky
1997: Gil Evans, Lenny Breau, Maynard Ferguson, Moe Koffman, Rob McConnell
1998: David Foster
1999: Luc Plamondon
2000: Bruce Fairbairn
2001: Bruce Cockburn
2002: Daniel Lanois
2003: Tom Cochrane
2004: Bob Ezrin
2005: The Tragically Hip
2006: Bryan Adams
2007: Bob Rock
2008: Triumph
2009: Loverboy
2010: April Wine
2011: Shania Twain
2012: Blue Rodeo
2013: K.D. Lang
2014: Bachman-Turner Overdrive
2015: Alanis Morissette
2016: Burton Cummings
2017: Sarah McLachlan
2018: Barenaked Ladies
2019: Corey Hart, Andy Kim, Bobby Curtola, Chilliwack, Cowboy Junkies
2021: Jann Arden
2022: Deborah Cox
2023: Nickelback, Diane Dufresne, Dr. Oliver Jones, Terri Clark, Trooper

Now, What do you think are the most glaring omissions from the Canadian Music Hall of Fame (acts become eligible and must have had a career that spans 20-plus years from their first recording) and Who do you think are next in line for the Canadian Music Hall of Fame in the next five years (They induct 5 each year now, One of them has an induction ceremony that takes place at the Juno Awards each year, and the other four have an official Canadian Music Hall of Fame induction ceremony that takes place at the National Music Centre in Calgary, Alberta and the first one took place on October 27, 2019 and the second one will take place on May 18, 2023 after being put on hold for the past few years due to the COVID-19 pandemic)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 18:00pm


Could t agree more with mat r on the Radiohead and beck takes lol. Aldo, with the singer songwriter discussion, I think Jim Croce had a way better shit than Don McLean. He died young and has more hits, as well as iconicity and great albums. Harry Chapin also died young and was a real humanitarian, he's got a better shot than don too I believe

Posted by Will M on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 22:49pm


Mat R,

No, The White Stripes are not way more Traditional Rock than Radiohead and Beck, All three of them are indie acts through and through, Also, I forgot to mention this, The thing that cost Radiohead from getting in FYE in 2018 is because they didn't care if they got in and The White Stripes don't give a damn about the Rock Hall so I think that will cost them of induction FYE just like Radiohead, so I see them waiting a year just like Radiohead and they'll get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 23:08pm


Richie

Now that's a point I agree with and think they're 50/50 like 80% of this ballot: jack doesn't give a shit and meg won't show. On the flip side Beck 100% cares about getting in, he even showed up last year to he the gracious loser, a missed so who knows.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 23:41pm


Mat R,

I listed off all the Canadian Music Hall of Fame inductees from 1978-today in a post, What do you think are the most glaring omissions from the Canadian Music Hall of Fame and Who do you think are next in line for the Canadian Music Hall of Fame in the next five years (They induct 5 each year now)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 23:52pm


Richie

Carole pope with rough trade or kardinal offishall.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 00:35am


Mat R,

I honestly think that Celine Dion is the biggest snub from the Canadian Music Hall of Fame at this point, because she's the top-selling Canadian Artist of All-Time and also the world's best-selling Female Artist of All-Time as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 00:54am


Richie

Fair

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 01:04am


Richie
The Canadian HOF sure does an excellent job of selecting Inductees. Can't think of many. Saga has been around a long time and had some success with On The Loose. Simple Plan. I would have also said Blue Rodeo but they have already been inducted. Justin Bieber. Don't know if he has enough time.

Posted by KING on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 01:32am


No one picked the stripes in the preliminary nominations because no one thought the stripes were eligible, including frl itself. There is a reason they were selected this year. I predict they'll be the rocking choice. As for not caring about an induction, the sex pistols, Steve miller and Todd Rundgren all shared that sentiment and got in. By inducing the stripes, you get jack white and a female musician in Meg white. Slam dunk

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 02:22am


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Roscoe on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 02:35am


The Go-Gos

The quintet emerged from the L.A. punk rock scene of the late 1970s and in 1981 released their debut album Beauty and the Beat. The record topped the Billboard album chart—a (still-unequaled) first for an all-female band writing their own material and playing their own instruments. Beauty and the Beat is considered one of the Key albums of US new wave, having broken barriers and paved the way for a host of other new American acts. It yielded two of the Go-Go's four biggest top 10 hits—"Our Lips Are Sealed" (no. 20) and "We Got the Beat" (no. 2)—and, after a long and steady climb, reached number one in the chart dated March 6, 1982. The album stayed at the top for six consecutive weeks, eventually selling more than two million copies.The group, credited as simply Go-Go's on all of their US releases, was nominated for a lot of awards.

Two more albums followed: Vacation (1982)—whose title track reached no. 8 on Billboard's Hot 100—and Talk Show (1984), which included the hits "Head over Heels" (no. 11) and "Turn to You" (no. 32). The Go-Go's have sold more than seven million records worldwide. The The Go-Go's have several great songs. My favs are We Got the Beat, Vacation abd Head over Heels. NOT Tears for fears song. But they broke up in 1985.
The band was inducted into the Hall in 2021. Drew Barrymore inducted them. The Go-Gos played some of their hits. They are slightly bubblgum like but key for the 80s. I expect a King review here. King should like them!

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 03:10am


Ok the next act is one of the most respected Rap artist of all time. Even an Old rock fan like me says this. Its Jay-Z. He had to have gotten votes from Old artists inducted not just Hip Hop.t hip hop artists. I mean NOT Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Pete Townsend and the guys in Fleetwood Mac. But others like Steve Tyler, REM members, Anthony Kiedis of Red Hot C P, Beastie Boys, Janet Jackson among others. Something made me start with t. his about Voters In other words Jay-Z has impressed many.

Jay-Z

Jay-Z began his musical career in the late 1980s; he co-founded the record label Roc-A-Fella Records in 1995 and released his debut studio album Reasonable Doubt in 1996. The album was released to widespread critical success, and solidified his standing in the music industry. He went on to release twelve additional albums. Thats a lot for an artist that started in the 90s. They incude the acclaimed albums The Blueprint (2001), The Black Album (2003), American Gangster (2007), and 4:44 (2017).He also released the full-length collaborative albums Watch the Throne (2011) with Kanye West and Everything Is Love (2018) with his wife Beyoncé.
Through his business ventures Jay-Z has become the first hip-hop billionaire. In 1999, he founded the clothing retailer Rocawear, and all kinds of other companies. He is a wise businessman. Alright K-Dawg you take care of the full review on Jay-Z.!

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 04:30am


K-Dawg,

I think that this is finally Soundgarden's year for induction this year, As well as they should be, They will be the rock choice this year, not The White Stripes, As much as I love The White Stripes, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYE especially if Radiohead couldn't in 2018, plus Chris Cornell is much more of a beloved figure in Rock than Jack White is, so I think that The White Stripes will get the Radiohead treatment and I see them waiting a year just like Radiohead and they'll get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did in 2019. I really think that this is finally Soundgarden's year for induction this year, As well as they should be and They will be the rock choice this year, not The White Stripes.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 09:10am


About the 2023 Nominees, richie wrote:
Mat R,

I listed off all the Canadian Music Hall of Fame inductees from 1978-today in a post, What do you think are the most glaring omissions from the Canadian Music Hall of Fame and Who do you think are next in line for the Canadian Music Hall of Fame in the next five years (They induct 5 each year now)?.
Friday, 03/17/2023 @ 23:52pm

Jack Scott
Gowan
Max Webster
Kim Mitchell
Northern Pikes

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 10:12am


Power,

About the 2023 Nominees, ABC wrote:
I think there is great chance that some of MC5, New York Dolls, Devo are inducted by side categories this year.
Saturday, 03/04/2023 @ 01:57am

About the 2023 Nominees, ABC wrote:
I think Lauper, George Micheal, Crow, Soundgarden, Zevon, Nelson and Kate Bush (ME) will be inducted this year from the view of hall of fame. This is a small class and I think there is great possibility that only 6 will be inducted.

From the music evolution, I think JD/NO and Iron Maiden should be inducted as soon as possible.
Saturday, 03/04/2023 @ 02:00am

Are you the same person that wrote both of those posts as ABC a couple of weeks ago and that you just recently switched to Power?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 13:05pm


Anyone thinking Courtney love and now Chrissie Hynde's criticism trigger the hall, not necessarily voters but committees, to like put at least one or two women in each side category this year? And maybe nominate more than 6 women total next year?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 13:26pm


Follower,

One of the Parliament singers passed...

Richie,

I don't see Soundgarden being inducted this year, as there really isn't precedent in recent trends. So, if they make it in and the Stripes don't, I will be rather shocked...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 13:55pm


K-Dawg,

but Soundgarden are in the top five of the fan vote and The White Stripes are in 12th place, so I think that Soundgarden is far more likely to get in this year than The White Stripes, As I've said it numerous times before, I see The White Stripes being more like Radiohead than Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam and Foo Fighters. I really think that this is finally Soundgarden's year for induction this year, as well as it should be.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 14:06pm


Mat R
I don't think it triggers the Hall Of Fame. Back in the 1960's and 1970's, there were mostly male bands of 4 and 5 members. When their 25+ years arrived, they earned induction. I think Jann mentioned the same thing. In later years, we are seeing more women inducted into the RRHOF. Many of the great women artists have been included including: Aretha, Carole King, Janet Jackson, Linda Ronstadt, Madonna, Pat Benatar, Stevie Nicks, The Go-Go's, Tina Turner, Whitney Houston, etc.
This also helps some of the rock acts as some of these groups have 4,5,6 members and can throw their votes and weight to like-minded artists nomination time.
It would be a great college Masters project to see why there weren't more female Aerosmith, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, The Who etc back then. I would think there are several reasons... Some were singled out by the labels as singular stars with accompanying musicians surrounding them. That hurts Nomination time only 1 vote. Some probably when into other aspects of the music business. Marketing, Session Work, Songwriting, Talent, etc. Probably some decided to marry and start a family leaving the music business. Others probably were not given their rightful opportunity and struggled financially. They eventually had to find other work to survive and pay the bills.
I think the RRHOF has done better work recently in their selection and induction of women music artists. Chaka Khan should have been inducted after all her Nominations. Cyndi Lauper, Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow are excellent examples of deserving and talented female music artists. Remember this is the highest honor The Rock And Roll HOF. There are some good male groups that will not earn induction. I think it's going better for the female music artists now. They have more representation on the Nomination Committee. They will have more power and weight to discuss and have artists selected. That hurts some of the rap stars too. Only have 1 vote. The big rock bands have more 4,5,6 votes at their disposal. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 14:15pm


I honestly think that they should just split up the Performers category to two categories (1) Veteran and (2) Modern just like the Country Music Hall of Fame does with 6 nominees and 3 inductees in each category for a total of 12 nominees and 6 inductees each year. On a side note, Are any of you guys Country Music Hall of Fame watchers in addition to the Rock Hall?. Do any of you guys follow the Country Music Hall of Fame in addition to the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 14:40pm


King

Normally yes but this time.... Courtney love mentioned big mama Thornton, pointed out how even with this new hall Kate Bush and Chaka can't get in, called out Dave Grohl being a double fye inductee and a co, and got a guardian article to rant and Chrissie Hynde joined in. This ain't ted Nugent or a random oped by a reporter this is a pretty targetted hit.

Also Richie

Maybe but I prefer a veteran committee where it doesn't go to voters thingy

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 15:47pm


At some point, the voters have to take some of the blame. The RRHOF cannot both nominate and induct the music artists. Many do not display their signed ballot votes on social media. Therefore, it is not possible to fixate blame on 1 particular person. It has ballooned to over 1,200+ voters. A younger voter might vote for some of the more recent late 1990's starting artists. Maybe, an older voter who became of music age during the Arena and Classic Rock...They might vote for those type bands. The Committee has started to remedy these situations with the Sub Committees. They have fixed some of the more aggregious voting snubs. Finally honoring Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, into the RRHOF. The Hall really can't win because they have nominated deserving artists like Chaka Khan, Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, The Spinners, etc several times. I would say Chaka Khan will receive a Special Award next. It appears her time as she's 70 in March. I would say both female and male artists have had to wait a long time. Look how many years Chicago, Deep Purple, ELO, KISS, RUSH, YES, have had to wait. I think Peter, Paul & Mary should be inducted. Everyone here that posts on FRL has favorites they want to see inducted. I think it was advantageous and intelligent for the RRHOF to have a Hall Of Fame broader than the more narrow rock definition. We will see more country, pop and rap hip hop artists inducted. That should also be helpful for African-American music artists and women music artists. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 16:50pm


The fan vote means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Chris Cornell is a beloved icon in music, but there's just as many others that have passed and haven't yet gotten recognition. If the Stripes are inducted, it's a chance, no matter what they say right now, to reunite Jack and Meg. And as I said, Jack White is far hotter in music circles today than many others. Plus, it gives a rocker band with another female to add for metrics. I maintain, like with JD/NO, that the Stripes are likely going in

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 16:50pm


K-Dawg,

But people are mostly predicting the following acts to get in this year and they are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
Kate Bush (Musical Excellence)

So four of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon and Soundgarden) plus Willie Nelson, Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott and Kate Bush (Musical Excellence) are being predicted by most people to get in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 16:56pm


Imagine telling Kate Bush she only deserves to be in "because you're female and we want to fill a quota"

Imagine telling Henry Fambrough of The Spinners he only deserves to be in "because you're black and we want to fill a quota"

That's degrading as shit for artists who deserve induction on their own merit to reduce them to that and anyone who votes or thinks based on hitting diversity boxes over their accomplishments and work should be permanently banned from participating in this.

CL is also openly known as the biggest joke in music and a terrible person but that's besides the point.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 18:39pm


Guest

Imagine telling Kate Bush that foo fighters are more important than she is which hall voters actually did

I've found the discussion of women artists here pretty bad at times but when you look at how the hall voters vote it's pretty clear they're are definitely voters who tokenize acts

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 19:42pm


Richie, I pick my own entries based on the trends I see. I'm not gonna get peer pressured into changing my votes

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 20:07pm


Mat r,

The voters voting for chart success (in the US only, if you're successful literally anywhere else it doesn't matter) and pure brand name over actual influence and quality of work? What else is new.

Maybe that they got their US chart success with her they will grow a brain-cell for once to realize Kate Bush should have been in years ago. Who knows, these voters can be funny.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 20:26pm


Richie, yes, I am ABC.

Posted by Power on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 20:34pm


Richie, yes, I am ABC.

Posted by Power on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 20:34pm


Here is who I think gets inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year.

Performers

Missy Elliott
Soundgarden
Willy Nelson
Warren Zevon
Cyndi Lauper
Kate Bush
George Michael

And if it goes to 8 including any one of the above going in as a back door side category recipient:

Joy Division/New Order

Now, I am seeing many on here predicting Sheryl Crow. I do not have her on my ballot due in my estimation to their being far more important female artists that deserve an induction; both those nominated this year and those we have already included in the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. Sheryl Crow, as of yet, has not been inducted into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project, though that can and may change as soon as this year. Honestly, I was hoping someone would have vouched for a great recent Revisited/Projected inductee like Sade. Or go one step further and induct another all-female band like Sleater-Kinney or the rest of the Runaways. That of course is how I see it.

Award for Musical Excellence

Chaka Khan
Adrian Belew and/or King Crimson. Likely just King Crimson.
Steve Winwood

Early Influence

DJ Kool Herc
Big Mama Thornton
Peter, Paul &Mary

Non-Performers/Ahmet Ertegun Award

Hip gnosis. (Storm Thorgerson, Peter Christopherson, Aubrey Powell, George Hardle)
Thom Bell

Also, I added 2 side categories that are new to this year's induction class.

International Recognition

Fela Kuti
Serge Gainsbourg

And finally, the Mcphatter category for artists inducted with bands that will now go on to be inducted into the hall of fame on their own merits.

Diana Ross
Sting

I think this would be an interesting and awesome class of inductees. Hopefully the RRHOF will make this a reality. As opposed to the reality some members would want to have, which is a year with few inductions. Yet this will help the institution in being able to become more relevant and lasting.

If only the Baseball Hall of Fame were more willing to change,

Lax40

Posted by Lax40 on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 21:02pm


Guest

Yea the rock hall kinda shows some of the worst examples of democracy failing cause shit they put Lionel Richie in over Kate Bush, Devo, ny dolls, Beck, tribe, and mc5 last year (also priest) cause lol

Rock hall voters are pretty dumb but like the foundation has found a solution to its problem and like is using it too conservatively. Like I know some here would hate it but they really should just induct 3-5 people in each category except for Ahmet Ertegun each year cause the backlog (especially of women) is dumb.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 21:10pm


God imagine how much easier things would be for the hall optics wise if they just inducted big mama Thornton, Suzi quatro, Mary wells, Ella Fitzgerald, and Carol Kaye in side categories in a single year. Like just in one year. Some much pressure and anger would be taken off the foundation's shoulders

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 21:21pm


Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

Where are you guys from and Where do you guys live in currently?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/18/2023 @ 23:02pm


Matt R,

You have found the discussion of women artists here pretty bad at times but when you look at how the hall voters vote you feel its clear they tokenize. That would follow except for one problem many Voters are women. A lot of them are. I can connect this to the 2021 Class. May as well connect current discussion with my 2021 review. There was a few women inducted in the 2020 and 2021 Classes. There was Whitney Houston inducted in 2020. That was a big score for Women. I do admit Not too many women for 2020.
BUT 2021 Class had a bunch of Women. There was Carole King, Tina Turner and the Go-Gos. Heyy Go-Gos are an all girls rock band. In addition Mary J. Blige, Chaka Khan and Dionne Warwick were nominated for 2021. Although they lost they were given thought. I do NOT personally care for Mary J Blige. I am NOT a big fan. But I love Chaka Khan and Dionne Warwick. I am NOT just Rock but old music in general. Not the point here BUT the point is Women are on the ruse at the Hall.
Some Women did in fact go into other aspects of the music business. Marketing, Session Work, Songwriting, Talent, etc. Probably some decided to marry and have chilftren leaving the music business. Others probably were not given their rightful opportunity and struggled financially. They eventually had to find other work to make a living.
I think the RRHOF has done better work recently in their selection and induction of women music artists. Chaka Khan should have been inducted after all her Nominations. She did miss in 2021. Cyndi Lauper, Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow are excellent examples of deserving and talented female music artists. As well as Carole King, Tina Turner and Go-Gos in 2021. There are some bands moving forward with men that will miss. I think it's going better for the female music artists now. They have more representation on the Nomination Committee. They will have more power and weight to discuss and have artists selected. So getting back to 2021 women shined at the Ceremony. How about all that

Whats on your mind?

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 02:28am


Ok, time for some S Dot Carter, also known as Jay-Z. I first became aware of this multitalented individual around 1998. He had some catchy and controversial songs like "Hard Knocks Life", "N* What", and "Can I Get A". For the teenager burgeoning into adulthood that I had reached, he was something cool that resonated stuff that was previously frowned upon and still somewhat is. It's hard in ways to differentiate his mission statement in his early rap songs from Tupac, excepting that he took the path that Pac should have, were justice to prevail and he lived past 1994.
Quickly, Jay-Z showed he was not a one trick pony. He could produce. He wrote songs and composed beats. He got into fashion. In a world where every celebrity has their own trademark, he's been doing it for 25 years. He ventured into the world of sports and purchased stakes in teams. And, most famously, he married music royalty when he hooked up (controversially at the time given their age difference) with Destiny's Child's frontwoman Beyonce Knowles. The man has made the top in every field he's dabbled in.
Not content tot rest on his laurels and call it a career, Jay has dropped music left and right for 2 decades and change. His influence has steadied rap's shady foray in the 90s. While it's still edgy, he never has to look over his shoulder and see a gang past or drugs etc, as a pinch to end the dream into a nightmare. He respects the hard road rap took to establish itself as the phenomenal genre it is, gangsta rap specifically, but he made it cool to like the genre and say it out loud. Is he controversial? No doubt. Is his influence incomparable? You bet your ass. Got 99 problems but not that one...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 04:02am


That was coool man. As an Old rocker I could never do Jay-Z justice like that.I was 33 around the time Jay-Z came out in 1998 you say. I was an adult listening to Folk and Jazz. I did hear some alternative during the 90s. Ok, Its time for the Foo Fighters, They were the remnant of Nirvana that returned around 1995

Foo Fighters

I first became aware of the Foo Fighters in 1995 I am recalling. They had some good songs like Big Me, Monkey Wrench and Everlong. They were a cool band that was good for both teenagers and adults. It's interesting how Foo Fighters were a bit special in a way that other alternative bands were not. Foo Fighters is an American rock band formed in Seattle in 1994. Foo Fighters was initially formed as a one-man project by former Nirvana drummer Dave Grohl. Following the success of the 1995 eponymous debut album, Grohl (lead vocals, guitar) recruited a band consisting of Nate Mendel (bass guitar), William Goldsmith (drums), and Pat Smear (guitar). After a succession of lineup changes, including the departures of Goldsmith and Smear, the band formed its core lineup in 1999, consisting of Grohl, Mendel, Chris Shiflett (guitar), and Taylor Hawkins (drums). There has been some personnel changes in the 2000s. The band briefly continued as a trio until Chris Shiflett joined on guitars after the completion of There Is Nothing Left to Lose. Foo Fighters released their fourth album, One by One, in 2002. It was followed with the two-disc In Your Honor (2005), which was split between acoustic songs and heavier material. Foo Fighters released their sixth album, Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace, in 2007.

Foo Fighters have released a lot of albums in the 2000s. 2 of them reached number one. I tried looking up which ones. They were inducted into the RNR Hall of Fame in 2021 their first year of eligibility. I like them. I got into them after my Folk and Jazz phase of music. They didnt fit in with the Shawn Colvin, Tracy Chapman, Emmylou Harris, Elvis Costello, etc I was listening to in the late 90s.
They were inducted by Paul McCartney. This makes sense I think because he has played with them. But his comparison to Wings was pushing it. I recall a great performance by them. There it is 2021 Class.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 06:32am


Been loving reading all the discussions here recently!

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 09:26am


Loving all the great comments here, figured I would add my tow cents (probably overstating the value at that.
Willie Nelson – Probably a lock, especially after Dolly. Good choice. If he gets in, expect Garth, Waylon and The Chicks to follow with Emmylou there as well. Kristofferson an outlier. And maybe they resurrect the candidacies of Marty Robbins and Conway Twitty, both of whom were early rockabilly types before going mainstream country.
George Michael – Certainly the biggest star in terms of success. Reasonably good critical acceptance as well, though not as strong as Kate or JD/NO. I have no problem with him getting in. He certainly is deserving.
Joy Division/New Order – In terms of critical acclaim, this is a no-brainer. Each band separately is in Acclaimed Music's all time top 100 (the vast majority of whom are in) so combined should be a lock. OTOH I am astonished that The Smiths are not in, so go figure. If they get in then the committee really needs to combine Chaka Khan and Rufus to include both bodies of work.
Kate Bush – Highly acclaimed by critics, and very successful in England, but a bit of a cipher for US voters. And I am not sure what the effect will be of the dilution of support for women candidates. Sometimes having too many just spreads out the votes. If voters don't elect her she would be a good choice for Musical Excellence
Missy Elliot – Would seem to be a lock as well, as she checks off a lot of boxes: Hip Hop/Rap, R&B, woman, Black, critical acclaim and mainstream success. And artists nominated in first year of eligibility have a pretty good track record, DMB notwithstanding.
White Stripes – Another first year of eligibility nomination, so strong likelihood. Somehow they feel less strong than Missy, but Seven Nations Army is played by pep bands at college basketball games so they are certainly mainstream in that regard. Jack White is also a nod to classic rock (like Foo Fighters) so probably they are in first try.

Posted by souljah on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 11:08am


And the rest of the comments:

Soundgarden – Always seemed like they were "the other Seattle band", which I think will hurt them Kind of like Iron Maiden always being the "other metal band", after Judas Priest. Neither characterization is fair, but there you have it anyway. I think they fall short
Iron Maiden – Speaking of IM, I think they fall short also, because if Priest couldn't get voted in I am hard pressed to figure how IM does better. They still belong, so maybe AME or just get nominated a few more times. Hell, even Metallica didn't go in on first eligibility. And Black Sabbath, Aerosmith and AC/DC all needed repeat nominations.
Cyndi Lauper – I would not vote for her, but I give her credit for persisting. Maybe if she had been a little less posturing as a neo-punk I would feel differently. Certainly successful, and "Girls want…" and "Time After Time" are classics. Then again so are "You Don't Own Me" and "It's My Party", in their own way, and nobody is lining up to nominate Lesley Gore. Maybe they should.
Sheryl Crow – Well, this one puzzles me. I know she kisses all the right butts, and shows up in the right places, is attractive and personable. And in truth she has a few damn good songs and successfully and openly battled cancer, which is to her credit. But how in the world is she nominated ahead of Melissa Etheridge? Who really does rock. Or Patti LaBelle, Shangri-Las, Connie Francis, Fanny, Salt -n-Pepa, or any number of other more qualified applicants. The nominating committee seems to have gone out of its way to nominate women this year, and still got the wrong ones. Oh well, at least they didn't go with The Bangles. Or worse yet, The Runaways. She probably sails right in anyway. And she is not much worse than Stevie Nicks, who really should not have gotten in solo.
A Tribe Called Quest – Qualified in terms of influence and acclaim, but I think they are too unknown for a lot of voters. Might be a good choice as an influence, a la Kraftwerk or Gil Scott-Heron. See Bad Brains for a precedent.
Spinners – You know, I always really liked these guys. A lot of really enjoyable songs, and the Live album from the Latin Casino is great. But the more I go back to them, the blander they seem. They have had their shot a few times, and I would rather have seen Kool & the Gang or the Commodores get a shot. But then they were on both Atlantic and Motown labels, which the committee seems to value extremely highly. And of course Rufus & Chaka (with and without) belong ahead of these guys. As does War.
Rage Against The Machine – Another committee favorite that is in search of a niche. Sometimes these bands that cover a lot of areas have trouble getting a groundswell of voting support. I can see some voters thinking, "Are these guys like Nine Inch Nails? Or Marilyn Manson? Alice In Chains? Or maybe Soundgarden?" Rap Metal is an odd genre in that some rockers don't like Rap mixed in. I don't think they get in, but they are influential and respected, so might put them over the top.
Warren Zevon – I have no problem with an induction for him. But I would be hard-pressed to explain to anyone why he is more qualified than say, J. J. Cale, John Prine, Harry Chapin, Gordon Lightfoot, Townes Van Zandt, Jim Croce or any number of other singer-songwriters. Could even throw Joe Ely in there. Warren gets props for "Follow Me" though. Great lost 45.

Posted by souljah on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 11:09am


Do I again have to explain how Sheryl Crow is actually quite influential and how if you look at rock music right now and try to make connections to this ballot she ends up being probably among the 3 most influential figures from this ballot on modern mainstream rock

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 11:15am


My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
Kate Bush (Musical Excellence)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 11:38am


Mat R,

No disrespect, but I honestly can't think of anyone in today's music that are influenced by Sheryl Crow. Maybe Phoebe Bridgers, Madison Cunningham, or Soccer Mommy, but to me Sheryl Crow isn't someone I would view as 'influential' because she didn't really do anything that changed the landscape of music. Her music is very safe Album Adult Alternative. Harmless, but not edgy. I do like some of her song (If It Makes You Happy is honestly her best song), but unlike Kate Bush and Missy Elliott, she's not a groundbreaking artist.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 11:54am


Elle dee

Yes boygenius and soccer mommy plus a lot country, a lot of adult alternative, and a lot of singer songwriter types.

She's not groundbreaking but she's revivalist (like a dave Grohl, aka one of the 5 most influential rock musicians of the last 40 years, after he left nirvana) and she was key to a lot of genres refinding their footing in mainstream pop and, unlike say Brian Seltzer, the stuff she revitalized stick around. It's just a important as breaking ground in a lot of ways and without Sheryl do we get yankee hotel foxtrot or dirt on the gravel road or weight of these wings? Probably not as they exist today and those are 3 pretty important records

There's also her role in Lilith fair. She wasn't the founder but she was one of like 3 big name artists who took part in each edition, and she did so in whatever role she could be it headline or as an acoustic set on the second stage. The legacy of that festival is partly linked to her using her star power wisely.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 12:15pm


Episode 17 of Road To Jamnation is now available featuring the conclusion of my series of episodes on the Rock Hall, with my comments on Sheryl Crow, A Tribe Called Quest, Rage Against The Machine, Missy Elliott, and The White Stripes

https://open.spotify.com/show/1HJdOrGR6naUrOPkAfuHQk?si=LGE18sFaRneRba3gepekmQ

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 14:22pm


The group with the most inducted members, Parliment-Funkadelic, has lost another member. They were part of the class of '97, the furthest back class where more than half the inductees are still alive. P-Funk themselves have 16 inducted members, six of which are alive. (Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, and Grady Thomas)

Since the ceremony, Christine McVee, Tommy Facenda, Jim Stewart, Dino Danelli, Fred White, Jeff Beck, David Crosby, Charlie Thomas, Gary Rossington, and Clarance "Fuzzy" Haskins have died.

Living Members of each class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 6/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 12/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 19/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1998: 18/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2003: 16/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, and Bill Medley)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 18/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 27/70 (Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 18/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)
2022: 25/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, and Elizabeth Cotten)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 15:19pm


I think the hall can nominate 16-24 artitsts annually and each voter can vote 7 artists per year so that 7-9 artists will be inducted.

Posted by Power on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 16:42pm


I expect 2024 will be more of a "rock" year, more musicians related more to rock music will be inducted.

Posted by Power on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 16:43pm


Power,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
Kate Bush (Musical Excellence)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 16:48pm


Power

Yea I think it'll be rock heavy. Some combo of Zevon, Crow, stripes, Soundgarden, nd/jo, and Maiden will make up 3 to 4 slots this year (sorry rage).

I'm also guessing we see a post 1955 rock artist inducted in early influence probably mc5 unless the committee is swayed by the David Johansen doc's trailer (and inducts NY dolls) or Courtney Love's rant (and induct Suzi quatro or the runaways).

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 17:29pm


Mat R,

Let's talk about non-Rock Hall stuff:

Where are you from and Where do you live in currently?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 17:34pm


Richie, I think about the same with you.

Posted by Power on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 19:32pm


Power,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 19:35pm


I have said it before, dear Richie.

2023:
Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
Missy Eliott
Kate Bush (ME)

2024:
The nominees: The White Stripes, Beck, Coldplay, Joy Division/New Order, Devo, Outkast, A Tribe Called Quest, Iron Maiden, RATM, The Meters (Questlove and other people in nomination committee who stand for black music may consider another black music artist for another try), Dionne Warwick, Mary J. Blige, Fela Kuti, Thin Lizzy, MC5

The inductees: Coldplay, The White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, Outkast, RATM, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick, MC5(ME)

Newly added:
2025: The nominees: Beck, DMB, The B-52's, Eric B & Rakim, A Tribe Called Quest, Rick James (Questlove mentioned him before), Mary J. Blige, Fela Kuti, Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, Jane's Addiction, John Prine, Sade, Lucinda Williams, New York Dolls

The inductees: DMB, Beck, The B-52's, ATCQ, Mary J. Blige, Lucinda Williams, John Prine
with New York Dolls (ME) and Fela Kuti (EI, he created so-called afrobeat)

Posted by Power on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 20:00pm


Aftet Motorhead and Iron Maidenn, there may be no other metal acts to be inducted, like Slayer, Megadeth and Pantera.

Update

2025: The nominees: Beck, DMB, The B-52's, Salt N Pepa, A Tribe Called Quest, Rick James (Questlove mentioned him before), Mary J. Blige, Fela Kuti, Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, Jane's Addiction, John Prine, Sade, Lucinda Williams, New York Dolls,

The inductees: DMB, Beck, The B-52's, ATCQ, John Prine, Lucinda Williams, Salt N Pepa
with New York Dolls (ME) and Fela Kuti (EI, he created so-called afrobeat)

Posted by Power on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 20:18pm


After Willie and Dolly, who has the chance to be inducted in country music?

Posted by Power on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 20:31pm


I like Nick Drake very much. He influenced lots of artists like Kate Bush, The Cure, Beck... However, I think based on the hall's recent situation, he will be never inducted.

Posted by Power on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 20:40pm


Power I think the next country acts could be either Garth Brooks, Shania Twain, Patsy Cline, Glen Campbell or Emmylou Harris. Also I could see The Carter Family getting early influence and Gram Parsons getting musical excellence.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 03/19/2023 @ 22:45pm


Power/Greg F

I don't think country will be a regular thing but do think Glen Campbell and Jimmy Buffett are probably next. Don't see Garth or Shania until after The Chicks happen which will be after Taylor.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 00:02am


Greg F.
I agree Garth Brooks will be inducted. He had an incredible run in 1990's and into the 2000's. Selling millions of albums. Memorable songs like Low Places, Shameless, The Dance, Thunder Rolls, etc. Probably in the next 5 years. He's in his 60's now.
I would say Emmylou Harris is 1 of the biggest snubs considering her discography and longevity. Collaborating with many high level and HOF artists. It would seem she's a perfect candidate for a nomination. She's incredibly loved and well-respected. I think she's similar to Dolly Parton that way.
Shania Twain also to me will be inducted in the next 5-10 years. She's similar to Garth Brooks. Had the hit songs and album sales. Very attractive singer and influential on later female singers and music artists.
Glen Campbell & Patsy Cline should be inducted through the Special Awards. Campbell is and was a very respected musician in life and death. Cline is a great Early Influence candidate.
I would probably put Alabama & Brooks & Dunn in is well because they had more commercial success and hits than many artists. Alabama's incredible success and having elements of Southern Rock, Folk, Gospel, and Country...I think they should be inducted. Love In The First Degree & Mountain Music are Classic songs. Also, think Song Of The South is a great song.
KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 01:34am


Some do actually seem to be responding. This is my ratings for the acts of the 2021 Class. Its mostly based on what I like but sometimes I give an A if an act is deserving of that. Ok Here you go.

Foo Fighters-B+- One of the key alternative bands of the 1990s

the Go-Gos- A - This the first all girl rock band

Jay-Z- A important Rap act NOT a rap fan but is one of the most known in the world
Carole King- A- An amazing singer/songwriter. She was one of the best of the 70s.

Todd Rundgren-A One of the most important producers in Rock -I am a little bit of a fan
Tina Turner-A- One of the best performers of all time. It was a must to induct for the solo career
.
Can others rate the class. Heyyy this was a great class One of the best

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 01:52am


I believe more rock-based bands, black musicians and women will be inducted in the coming years. There will be fewer household names as big as Metallica, U2, Radiohead as time goes by.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 04:02am


K-Dawg,

I grew up with Rock my whole life BUT I still rate Jay-Z well. He is huge like my 1970s favs like Rod Stewart, Neil Young, Gr Dead, David Bowie, Billy Joel, etc. And hey Foo Fighters rate rather high. You will notice NOT A. Soundgarden Would have been an A. BUT Foo fighters are a great modern band. Plenty of middle age Rock fans like them. Dave Grohl is very talented. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 04:37am


2023:
Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
Missy Eliott
Kate Bush (ME)

2024:
The nominees: The White Stripes, Beck, Coldplay, Joy Division/New Order, Devo, Outkast, A Tribe Called Quest, Iron Maiden, RATM, The Meters (Questlove and other people in nomination committee who stand for black music may consider another black music artist for another try), Dionne Warwick, Mary J. Blige, Fela Kuti, Thin Lizzy, MC5

The inductees: Coldplay, The White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, Outkast, RATM, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick, MC5(ME), The Meters (EI, one of the first funk bands)

2025: The nominees: Beck, DMB, The B-52's, Salt N Pepa, A Tribe Called Quest, Rick James (Questlove mentioned him before), Mary J. Blige, Fela Kuti, Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, Jane's Addiction, John Prine, Sade, Lucinda Williams, New York Dolls,

The inductees: DMB, Beck, The B-52's, ATCQ, Mary J. Blige, Lucinda Williams, Salt N Pepa
with New York Dolls (ME) and Fela Kuti (EI, he created so-called afrobeat)

2026: The nominees: Motorhead, Jane's Addiction, Bad Brians, The Smiths (With alternative rock artists the Hall swtiched among Depeche Mode, The Cure and The Smiths before, the former two are in, and I think The Smiths will be nonimated again and before their peers like Sonic Youth and Pixies), Eric B & Rakim, De La Soul, Sade, Devo, The J Geils Band, Harry Nilsson, Fiona Apple, Alanis Morissette, The Spinners, Loretta Lynn

The inductees:
Loretta Lynn, Sade, Fiona Apple, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, Devo, The J Geils Band

I expect more women inducted in the hall quickly as the current trends.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 04:42am


I'll keep the Foos straight and to the point. In the mid-90s, we were introduced to a "second wave" of new grunge bands. We considered groups like the Offspring, Green Day (their punk roots notwithstanding), Collective Soul, the Goo Goo Dolls and the Foos as the second wave. It was still pretty traditional guitar rock, but it stepped away from the hair and leather phenomenon. My question is, is there another band that I mentioned that even gets consideration? Collective Soul had 2 good albums, and the Offspring are great, but I don't see either of them getting even a nom. And yes, we know Green Day is in, but you could argue they went in as a big name the year they came out to maximize publicity.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 08:54am


K dawg

I think there's quite a few like in post grunge (following the foo fighters) I'd say Bush has a decent shot as they were inoffensive, matchbox 20 as well cause of the career, and I wouldn't be shocked if Nickelback come up as history has been kind of kind to them plus they were the biggest band on the planet for a 5 year run there (they were a bit later but they fit that mold).

On the more punk side (following green day) I can see offspring and bad religion getting in from that 94 break out wave and no doubt and blink 182 eventually getting the nod with some later groups like sum 41 and Jimmy eat world being very possible.

I assume you don't wanna chat about the fun alt scene (Weezer, Beck) or Britpop (oasis) but people will get in from there as well however I do think 90s industrial is mostly done with nin as there is no way they'll touch Manson and probably aren't interested in filter, however I can see rob Zombie getting a look.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 09:27am


I'd love to delve in this in greater detail, honestly. However, I'm not sure I can completely separate my personal bias from the music I like during this time period, I'm afraid, as well as other times, because this is probably when I was at my most musically biased. However, I will ask you though Mat, as its been discussed in the past, how do yo think nu metal will fare in the next few years? Linkin Park is talked about with certainty, but Korn, Disturbed, Mudvayne..all could be described as influential..

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 10:45am


Power,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall nominees and inductees (If 7 inductees each year) from 2027-2040?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 13:50pm


K dawg

Honestly no. I think the struggles of rage are a bad sign for the next decade when it comes to nu metal, alt metal and emo and some pop punk

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 14:15pm


Honestly, which voting blocks do you think would be likely to vote for any of those Nu Metal bands if they won't even vote for Rage, or for Judas Priest? Critics certainly aren't going to vote for them. Classic Rock acts aren't going to, souk and pop acts aren't going to. I don't think the MTV generation bands are going to vote for Nu Metal. Even among the members of a lot of the few harder edge bands that are in, I'm not sure that Nu Metal bands like those really would find all that many votes; certainly not enough to be in the top 5 or 6 on a ballot.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 14:37pm


K dawg,
Honestly the only Nu-metal bands I can see getting are Linkin Park for sure, probably first year seeing as how they're pretty much the only high quality eligible artist for their eligible year. The ones I imagine going in later down the line: Korn, Deftones, System of a Down. Most of us are probably gonna be dead or old by the time an artist like Limp Bizkit even get nominated

Posted by ThatRandomRaichu on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 16:03pm


Tom Morello may support alt
metal bands like Living Colour and Fishbones. However, they may be hard to be voted.

2027
Nominees:
Mariah Carey, Jane's Addiction, Bad Brians, Wu tang Clan, De La Soul, The Smiths, Sonic Youth (Questlove already said that he would support them in 2014), John Prine, Simple Mind (Mtv-era rock artist, previously considered by the Hall according to this site), Emmylou Harris, Barbra Streisand, Thin Lizzy, the Spinners, Brian Eno

Inductees: Mariah Carey (headline the class), Jane's Addiction, Wu Tang Clan(probably the most influential hip-hop group), John Prine, Harris, Barbra Streisand, Brian Eno, The Spinners (ME)

Fiona Apple is going to be inducted quickly as she is also a huge name in America and critics are also extremely high on her.

I believe at one year there will be 3-5 artist nominated before inducted into the Hall by side categories like War, The Spinner s, just to name a few.

The era of inducting 60-70's artists in main category is generally over.

I think Burt Bacharach has a good chance be inducted in ME in coming years as he is very influential. He recently passed away.

Richie, what about your opinion on future classes?

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 16:18pm


I don't get why people here have this fixation on Emmylou Harris being a country heavyweight for the rock hall. The hall seems interested in mainstream icons from the genre and Emmylou, despite success, is a pretty niche figure.

People like The Judds, Chris Christopherson, Hank Williams Jr. KD Lang, and Jimmy Buffett are way closer to Dolly, Johnny, Brenda, and Willie profile wise than Emmylou.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 16:44pm


I think Emmylou Harris and Loretta Lynn are solid choices because she will be both supported by country community and women community. They both received Grammy lifetime achievement award which shows they are accepted by mainstream community.

Posted by power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 16:53pm


Power,

I think that your predictions for the future nominees and induction classes from 2024 to 2027 are spot on.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 16:56pm


Commercial success is not a problem for Lynn and Harris in my view. People support for country music band women will vote for them regardless.

Posted by power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 17:01pm


The Go Go's reached worse sales then them also got in on their first try.

Posted by power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 17:03pm


Power,

I forgot to mention and add one more thing, I think that your predictions for the 2023 inductees (Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden, Warren Zevon and Kate Bush (Musical Excellence) and If 7 inductees again) are spot on as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 17:13pm


Power

No it doesn't (the Grammy) and I'm not talking about commercial success cause she had some decent success. What I'm talking about does everyone know her the way they know Dolly, Willie, Johnny, and Brenda and the answer is simply no. She's not an icon outside of country in the same way they are and from what we've seen it seems the Rock Hall wants that type of icon from country music.

She might get a side category, same goes for Loretta, but a nomination seems pretty unlikely.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 17:54pm


Mat R, you may be right. Nevertheless, Carly Simon is also not an icon, frl site even did not rank her in the ranking and she is nominated and inducted. Hence, I think some women who are not iconic will also be nominated and inducted in the future.

Different from people there, I perfer Simple Minds than INXS because hall considered Simple Minds before according to information on this site and Simple Minds is also huge in 80s.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 18:20pm


Power,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall nominees and inductees (If 7 inductees each year) from 2028-2040?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 18:37pm


Mat R,

I think Emmylou has a solid chance for an induction because of three factors:

1. Her close association with Gram Parsons, Dolly Parton, and Linda Ronstadt

2. Like Sheryl Crow, Emmylou is a friend of the industry. Emmylou is the go-to singer for guest vocalist for a long diverse list of artists (she literally has her own page section on her wikipedia page of the list of artists she provided backup vocals / vocal harmonies for)

3. She received numerous prestigious honors from the industry, including a lifetime achievement award at the Grammys.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 18:49pm


Elle dee

Nothing you said there is wrong but as I said the issue isn't her accomplishments its her profile and what the hall is seemingly looking at in country music.

Let me explain in the simplest way possible. Everyone on the planet's mother and child knows Dolly Parton is basically Americas gift to the world and that Willie Nelson is the king of marijuana and that johnny cash walked the line and is the baddest man in black and that Brenda Lee can rock around a Christmas tree. What does everyone's mother and child know about Emmylou Harris? I and you and everyone here has no idea.

That's where the issue lies with Emmylou Harris

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 19:39pm


Btw 2023 nominee news!

WWE is snubbing Cyndi Lauper again. This probably means nothing but also it's hard to picture WWE not trying to get Intel in how she's doing (they 100% would want to know) and then snubbing her if she was doing well.

If they got some indication she was doing good they'd 100% want to be on the Cyndi wave (preferably before it starts so they could take credit).

and as a result this kind of feels like an indication of something

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 19:59pm


Mat R,

I have to respectfully disagree with you on Cyndi Lauper, I think that she's getting in this year without a doubt, The ceremony's back in New York (her hometown) at Barclays Center in Brooklyn (her birthplace) this year, plus there is a current trend of inducting early-mid 80's MTV acts right now with The Go-Go's in 2021 and Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and Eurythmics last year in 2022, The Rock Hall wants to continue with inducting big acts that are part of the golden age of the MTV era in the 80's, First it was The Go-Go's, then Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, So they're going to continue that pattern with Cyndi this year, So I just can't see her missing out this year especially with so many 80's icons getting in at the moment.

Also, Cyndi is currently on tour in Australia and New Zealand with Rod Stewart at the moment, She's down under opening for Rod Stewart right now, so that's the reason why she isn't getting inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 20:31pm


Richie, it will become harder predict the inductees as time goes by. There is my guess in 2028, and I may stop forecasting. The people in nomination committee will also change and the direction of nomination may change as well.

2028:
Nominees: Living Colour, the Smiths, Sonic Youth, Sleater-Kinney (main riot girl band, I see it will be support by women community), Eric B& Rakim, Thin Lizzy, Sinead O'Connor, Beyonce, War, Harry Nilsson, Lauryn Hill( and the fugees), INXS, Los Lobos, Gloria Estefan

Inductees:
Lauryn Hill( and the fugees), Sonic Youth, the Smiths, Eric B&Rakim, Sleater-Kinney, Gloria Estefan, Beyonce, Thin Lizzy (ME)

I think Kanye is over due to recent unforgiven things.

Oasis will be nominated once the Smiths is in.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 20:39pm


Update:
2028:
Nominees: Living Colour, the Smiths, Sonic Youth, Sleater-Kinney (main riot girl band, I see it will be support by women community), the Roots, Eric B& Rakim, Thin Lizzy, Sinead O'Connor, Beyonce, War, Harry Nilsson, Lauryn Hill( and the fugees), INXS, Los Lobos,

Inductees:
Lauryn Hill( and the fugees), Sonic Youth, the Smiths, Eric B&Rakim, Sleater-Kinney, Beyonce, Harry Nilsson, Thin Lizzy (ME)

Posted by power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 20:47pm


Power,

I completely understand that and I respect your decision, Anyway, When did you start following the Rock Hall and How long have you been a Rock Hall watcher for?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 21:42pm


Richie, I become interested in Hall of fame since the 2021 nomination process.

Posted by power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 22:36pm


Power,

That's so cool!, What were your predictions for the 2021 nominees/2021 inductees, 2022 nominees/inductees and 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 22:39pm


In the past classes, I mainly focus on the nominated list.
I predicted Jay-Z, Iron Maiden, The Go-Go's, Foo Fighters, Carole King, Tina Turner in 2021.
I predicted Duran Duran, Judas Priest, Eminem, Dolly Parton, A Tribe Called Quest, Pat Benatar, RATM in 2022.
In this year, I started to explore more about the nomination process.

I think the ranking of this site (https://futurerocklegends.com/Revisited_Projected_Rankings/) should be updated because the ranking does not reflect the past inductions well.

Posted by Power on Monday, 03/20/2023 @ 22:52pm


no offense, but it literally sounds like Richie is having a conversation with himself...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 00:56am


K-Dawg,

When did you start following the Rock Hall and How long have you been a Rock Hall watcher for?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 00:59am


K-Dawg,

I just want to re post My Ratings for 2021 Class to add detail. This may spark I figure,
Foo Fighters-B+- One of the key alternative bands of the 199grunge. 0s. I was getting away from alternative rock scene by the Mid 90s BUT I knew a bunch of key songs. They are indeed part of the Next phase for

the Go-Gos- A - This the first all girl rock band. Very successful in the 80s. They had a bunch of hits. Decent representation of the 80s. Although strictly the 80s they have toured since then.

Jay-Z- A important Rap act NOT a rap fan but is one of the most known in the world
Carole King- A- An amazing singer/songwriter. She was one of the best singers of the 70s. King scored her breakthrough with the album Tapestry, which topped the U.S. album chart for 15 weeks in 1971 and remained on the charts for more than six years. But she did have some hits after it later in the 70s

Todd Rundgren-A One of the most important producers in Rock -I am a little bit of a fan
Tina Turner-A- One of the best performers of all time. It was a must to induct for the solo career. She was great as the Acid Queen in the Tommy movie but most known for her huge hits of the 1980s and 90s.

I'll try to get a chat going on these inductees before doing 2022
.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 02:23am


I started following the RRHOF way back in 1987 or 88 as a kid. It fascinated me, and music always has

I started on the forums, I'd say, about 2008 here.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 03:49am


K-Dawg,

I DID NOT know that. You got me beat. I started following the RR HALL of FAME in 1993. It was interesting and music has always been an interest of mine.
I did NOT follow it yet in 1987. I was NOT interested in the 1950s at the time. Still NOT really.
But in 1993 it struck my attention a lot all of a sudden with the DOORS, Cream and CCR.
I've been part of the forum since 2013

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 06:05am


Power,

besides Kate Bush (Musical Excellence) this year in 2023, MC5 (Musical Excellence) and The Meters (Early Influence) in 2024, New York Dolls (Musical Excellence) and Fela Kuti (Early Influence) in 2025, The Spinners (Musical Excellence) in 2027 and Thin Lizzy (Musical Excellence) in 2028, Which others do you see being inducted from the side categories (Ahmet Ertegun Award, Early Influence and Musical Excellence) from this year (2023)-2028?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 11:43am


Richie, I become interested in Hall of fame since the 2021 nomination process.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 16:59pm


Richie, there are some bugs of this website and duplicate information is sent. I am very sorry.

As for side categories, it becomes harder to predict. I do?not familiar with business related things and I will not give
Ahmet Ertegun Award prediction.

Let me think about it thothroughly.

I expect more early blues related musicians will be inducted as EI.

Posted by Power on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 17:09pm


Power,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall nominees and inductees (If 7 inductees) in 2029?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 17:16pm


I predicted 2 each year, same with side category in 2022.

2023:
ME: Kate Bush, Chaka Chan
EI: DJ Kool Herc, Big Mama Thornton

2024:
ME: MC5, Burt Bacharach
EI: The Meters, Pasty Cline

2025:
ME:New York Dolls, Carol Kaye (Nomination committee member Alan Light mentioned her)
EI:Fela Kuti, Afrika Bambaataa


2026:
ME:Rick Rubin, Gram Parsons
EI:Chuck Willis, Ella Fitzgerald

2027:
ME:The Spinners, Steve Albini
EI:Joe Tex, Dick Dale

2028:
ME:Thin Lizzy, Treacherous Three (Hip-hop community may support him and they are previously considered by Hall based on information of this site, they are the originators of fast rapping)
EI: Son House, Link Wray (I do not know if his case is over as a song of him is selected to be inducted in the hall)

As I have said before, I only predict nominees and inductees for five years after 2023.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 18:51pm


I think Bjork, PJ Harvey, Alice in Chains, the Smashing Pumpkins, Pixies, Oasis, Bad Brians (probably in me, supported by Grohl), Living Colours (ME, supported by Morello), Fishbones (ME, supported by Morello and advocated by some voters already), De La Soul, Nas, will be inducted before 2040.

Jane's Addiction will be inducted before 2030 as it is support Ed by Grohl and Morello and it is the biggest name of possible nominations in the near future in alternative scene.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 18:59pm


Power,

besides Sheryl Crow, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden, Warren Zevon, Missy Elliott, Kate Bush (Musical Excellence), Coldplay, The White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick, MC5 (Early Influence), The Meters (Early Influence), Dave Matthews Band, Beck, The B-52's, A Tribe Called Quest, Mary J. Blige, Lucinda Williams, Salt-N-Pepa, New York Dolls (Musical Excellence), Fela Kuti (Early Influence), Loretta Lynn, Sade, Fiona Apple, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, Devo, The J. Geils Band, Mariah Carey, Jane's Addiction, Wu-Tang Clan, John Prine, Emmylou Harris, Barbra Streisand, Brian Eno, The Spinners (Musical Excellence), Lauryn Hill (and Fugees), Sonic Youth, The Smiths, Eric B. & Rakim, Sleater-Kinney, Beyonce, Harry Nilsson and Thin Lizzy (Musical Excellence), Which other acts do you see being inducted before 2030?.

besides Bjork, PJ Harvey, Alice In Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, Pixies, Oasis, Bad Brains (Musical Excellence), Living Colour (Musical Excellence), Fishbone (Musical Excellence), De La Soul and Nas, Which other acts do you see being inducted before 2040?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 20:07pm


Should the Rock Hall release the official vote tallies every year like the Baseball Hall of Fame or would that cause too much drama in exposing how broken their system is?

Posted by Garrick on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 20:07pm


Garrick

I prefer they not like the academy awards. Knowing you just missed the honour can seriously mess with someone

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 22:26pm


Mat R,

When did you start following the Rock Hall and How long have you been a Rock Hall watcher for?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/21/2023 @ 22:40pm


Richie, it is hard to say. New people will in the nomination committee, and they may support different kinds of artists. For example, if three or five persons who support for british music come in the committee, and Blur, The Verve, Pulp, Suede, the Stone Roses, the Jam, Buzzcocks and even maybe Primal Scream and XTC will be nominated without doubt, but those bands are hardly to recieve nomination with current nomination committee numbers. I think only The Smiths and Oasis may have chance to be inducted. Most british bands will be snubbed. I just make prediction based on the possible logic of current nomination committee.

Generlly speaking, I suspect there will be more women nominated each year and most of them will be in quickly once nominated.

Carly Simon is quite suprising to me, of course she is worthy. I think there will be some artists like Carly Simon will be inducted in the future but I can not predict.

Talking about alt/indie scene, which is representative in 80/90s and I am more familar with. I think Jane's Addiction and Bad Brians will be nominated without doubt after RATM and Soundgarden in. They both have influential supporter (Morello, Grohl) for them for nomination. Morello mentioned Living Colour, Alice in Chains before. Questlove said he would try to support Sonic Youth in 2024. Some voters have already mentioned Fishbone. They will be nominated without doubt.

The hall had swtiched among the Cure, Depeche Mode and the Smiths. The former two are in now, and the Smiths will be supported in the future.

A former report said that the Replacements have lots of enemies in the industry and it may make bad effect on their second nomination. I think the Replacements' second nomination will come after 2030, after some artists more friendly with the nomination committee inducted.

It is reported new main people in the hall has supported Oasis, plus Oasis reaches some success in America. I think Oasis is going to be inducted.

Pixies and Simple Minds are previously considered by the hall according to this site and I think Pixies will get nomination after Sonic Youth. I do not know INXS's chance because I do not see any inner information mentioning INXS.

The Smashing Pumpkins will come in because they are huge in 90s and can not be ignored. The nomination will come after the bands Morello and Grohl supports inducted in and it will after 2030.

PJ Harvey/Fiona Apple/Tori Amos and Bjork will be supported by both art music community (people supports Kate Bush, Roxy Music, etc) and women community in the future and they will get nominated.

I do not see other alt/indie artists are sure to be inducted in the future.

Posted by Power on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 00:05am


Certain people in the committee seem to put JD/NO ahead of the B-52's despite the rumors the B-52's will be nonimated in 2023, once JD/NO is in and it is the turn of B-52's.

I do not see Wilco, Fugazi and the Flaming Lips with current committee will be inducted altough FRL predicts they will be in. Siouxsie and the Banshees's chance are better than them.

Posted by Power on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 00:13am


Power,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall nominees and inductees (If 7 inductees each year plus the side categories as well) from this year (2023)-2028?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 00:29am


Richie, you can check my past posts for my previous prediction. Thank you. I am also keen on your future prediction in the next few years.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 00:59am


Power,

Thank you so very much!, I think that your predictions for the 2023 inductees (Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden and Warren Zevon (If 7 inductees again) and Kate Bush and Chaka Khan (Musical Excellence) and DJ Kool Herc and Big Mama Thornton (Early Influence), the 2024 nominees (Beck, Mary J. Blige, Coldplay, Devo, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Fela Kuti, MC5, The Meters, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, Thin Lizzy, A Tribe Called Quest, Dionne Warwick and The White Stripes), the 2024 inductees (Coldplay, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, Dionne Warwick and The White Stripes (If 7 inductees again) and Burt Bacharach and MC5 (Musical Excellence) and Patsy Cline and The Meters (Early Influence), the 2025 nominees (The B-52's, Beck, Mary J. Blige, Dave Matthews Band, Rick James, Jane's Addiction, Fela Kuti, Motorhead, New York Dolls, John Prine, Sade, Salt-N-Pepa, Thin Lizzy, A Tribe Called Quest and Lucinda Williams), the 2025 inductees (The B-52's, Beck, Mary J. Blige, Dave Matthews Band, Salt-N-Pepa, A Tribe Called Quest and Lucinda Williams (If 7 inductees again) and Carol Kaye and New York Dolls (Musical Excellence) and Afrika Bambaataa and Fela Kuti (Early Influence), the 2026 nominees (Fiona Apple, Bad Brains, De La Soul, Devo, Eric B. & Rakim, The J. Geils Band, Jane's Addiction, Loretta Lynn, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, Harry Nilsson, Sade, The Smiths and The Spinners), the 2026 inductees (Fiona Apple, Devo, The J. Geils Band, Loretta Lynn, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead and Sade (If 7 inductees again) and Gram Parsons and Rick Rubin (Musical Excellence) and Ella Fitzgerald and Chuck Willis (Early Influence), the 2027 nominees (Bad Brains, Mariah Carey, De La Soul, Brian Eno, Emmylou Harris, Jane's Addiction, John Prine, Simple Minds, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, The Spinners, Barbra Streisand, Thin Lizzy and Wu-Tang Clan), the 2027 inductees (Mariah Carey, Brian Eno, Emmylou Harris, Jane's Addiction, John Prine, Barbra Streisand and Wu-Tang Clan (If 7 inductees again) and Steve Albini and The Spinners (Musical Excellence) and Dick Dale and Joe Tex (Early Influence), the 2028 nominees (Beyonce, Eric B. & Rakim, Lauryn Hill/Fugees, INXS, Living Colour, Los Lobos, Harry Nilsson, Sinead O'Connor, The Roots, Sleater-Kinney, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, Thin Lizzy and War) and the 2028 inductees (Beyonce, Eric B. & Rakim, Lauryn Hill/Fugees, Harry Nilsson, Sleater-Kinney, The Smiths and Sonic Youth (If 7 inductees again) and Thin Lizzy and Treacherous Three (Musical Excellence) and Son House and Link Wray (Early Influence) are all spot on.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 01:18am


Richie, thank you for your support.
I would also like to know about your future projections.
I will also try to find more info about the nomination comittee to find possible future nominations.

Posted by Power on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 02:17am


Alright there is some response. I guess. Coool. Its the last class to cover anyway.

2022 Class of Rock and Roll HOF

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Musical Excellence:

Judas Priest
Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis

Early Influence:

Harry Belafonte
Elizabeth Cotten

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 02:28am


Ok. I will get on with the 2022 Class. The 2022 Ceremony had an happier tone that 2021. The rules of Covid 19 were more relaxed. This ceremony was big and ambitious

Duran Duran

This is an easy act for me to cover. I think they are my fav act of the 2022 Ceremony.
When Duran Duran emerged they were generally considered part of the New Romantic scene and Innovators of the music video, Duran Duran were thrown into the mainstream with the introduction of the 24-hour music channel MTV. The group was a leading band in the MTV-driven Second British Invasion of the US in the 1980s. Photographer Denis O'Regan, who captured the band during their 1984 tour, commented "Duran Duran in America was like Beatlemania."The band's first major hit was "Girls on Film" (1981), from their self-titled debut album, the popularity of which was enhanced by a controversial music video. A heavily edited form played in rotation on MTV. The band's breakthrough second album was Rio (1982), which I owned in the time it was released. The songs "Hungry Like the Wolf" and "Rio" featured cinematic music videos directed by Australian film maker Russel Mulcahy and became two of their biggest hits. "Hungry Like the Wolf" won some awards/ Their follow-up third album, Seven and the Ragged Tiger, became their only UK number one album and featured the US and UK number one song "The Reflex". Its Not my fav but it is Up tempo for parties. In 1985, the band topped the US charts with the single "A View to a Kill" from the soundtrack of the James Bond film of the same name.
Andy and Roger left the band before the recording of their fourth album, Notorious (1986), which yielded a top 10 hit. The band spent the rest of the 1980s and early 1990s continuing to release albums and singles, to only moderate success. Their comeback album, 1993's Duran Duran (commonly called The Wedding Album), featured two top-ten worldwide hits "Ordinary World" and "Come Undone". After John Taylor left in 1997, the band released a number of albums and singles which underperformed on the sales charts. No surprise for a band with its heyday in the 80s

Duran Duran were inducted to the RnR Hall of Fame as part of the class of 2022. They were inducted by Robert Downey Jr. His speech was rather fun. Duran D performed some hits. As far as New wave they one of my favs

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 03:39am


Power,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again and the side categories), as well as the 2024 nominees, the 2024 inductees (If 7 inductees again and the side categories), the 2025 nominees, the 2025 inductees (If 7 inductees again and the side categories), the 2026 nominees, the 2026 inductees (If 7 inductees again and the side categories), the 2027 nominees, the 2027 inductees (if 7 inductees again and the side categories), the 2028 nominees and the 2028 inductees (If 7 inductees again and the side categories) are the same as yours, so I agree with you on all of it, I agree with you on every single one of your predictions for Rock Hall nominees and inductees (If 7 inductees each year and the side categories as well) from this year (2023)-2028.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 09:11am


Ben

God Duran Duran . I recently learned about Warren Cuccurullo's life after he left the band. He 100% opens the door for like Motley Crue and Skid Row.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 10:17am


Mat R,
I guess you say God you love Duran D. Interesting about Warren Cuccurullo. I'll have to read about him a lot more

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 15:52pm


From https://futurerocklegends.com/News/index_files/Jeff_Ament_Snub_Shirt.html#disqus_thread.

When Pearl Jam was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2017, bassist Jeff Ament shouted out a number of bands he felt were deserving of the honor during his acceptance speech. In particular, Ament mentioned "Roxy Music, The Jam, Devo, X, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Jane's Addiction, and so many others -- all worthy."

The "so many others" that Ament mentioned in the speech were listed on his t-shirt.

Ament should be pleased that quite a few of the artists he listed have been nominated and/or inducted.
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Brian Eno
Can
Buzzcocks
Slayer
Faith No More
Fela Kuti
Alice In Chains
Flipper
Gang of Four
Grand Funk Railroad
Guided By Voices
Mötley Crüe
Hüsker Dü
Iron Maiden
Jane's Addiction
Joe Jackson
New York Dolls
B-52s
Jonathon Richman
Kate Bush
King Crimson
Love
Lenny Kravitz
The Cult
Dinosaur Jr.
King Diamond
Minor Threat
Minutemen
Misfits
The Monkees
Motörhead
Mountain
Mudhoney
Nick Cave
PJ Harvey
Richard Hell
The Sonics
Soundgarden
Steppenwolf
The Damned
Hipgnosis
Thin Lizzy
Waterboys
Bad Brains
Dead Kennedys
Bauhaus
The Replacements
Pixies
The Black Crowes
Black Flag
Big Star
Billy Idol
Björk
Smashing Pumpkins
Blue Öyster Cult
Pil
Melvins
Fugazi
Dio
Elliott Smith
Psychedelic Furs
X
Free
New Order
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
The Jam
The Smiths
Descendents
Sonic Youth
Ted Nugent
MC5
Captain Beefheart
Warren Zevon
Link Wray
Weather Report
Devo
Flaming Lips
Nick Drake
Harry Nilsson
Neu!
Chad Channing
Sweet
Raymond Pettibon
Oasis
Bad Company
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How many of them will be introduced?

Posted by power on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 16:12pm


Power,

About the 2021 Nominees, Living Stone wrote:
BREAKING NEWS: Sirius XM Dj Rachel Steele confirms that the Foo Fighters will be nominated for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2021. Steele, who holds shows on both Classic Vinyl and Classic Rewind, stated that the nominations would come out THIS week before playing "What You Need" by INXS, a group that is under (and this is from other sources) HUGE consideration for nomination this year.
Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 20:48pm

So INXS has been considered by the Rock Hall before.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 16:53pm


Power,

About the 2021 Nomination Predictions, Living Stone wrote:
BREAKING NEWS: Sirius XM Dj Rachel Steele confirms that the Foo Fighters will be nominated for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2021. Steele, who holds shows on both Classic Vinyl and Classic Rewind, stated that the nominations would come out THIS week before playing "What You Need" by INXS, a group that is under (and this is from other sources) HUGE consideration for nomination this year.
Monday, 02/1/2021 @ 20:48pm

So INXS has been considered by the Rock Hall before.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 17:39pm


2023 Inductee predictions (just to keep us grounded)

Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Kate Bush
White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon (EI)
Spinners (ME)

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 18:27pm


K-Dawg,

You're missing a 90's act and a POC act in your predictions for the 2023 inductees, I think that Sheryl Crow and Soundgarden (as well as Missy Elliott and Warren Zevon as a Performer) are far more likely to get in this year than Kate Bush (as a Performer), Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order and The White Stripes, I see Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence rather than as a Performer this year and I think that Iron Maiden will get in via Musical Excellence rather than as Performers soon as well just like Judas Priest did last year and I think that Joy Division/New Order will take 2-3 tries to get in just like The Cure, Depeche Mode and Eurythmics did because they're still too Eurocentric for the American-based Rock Hall and because of what happened with Radiohead in 2018, I just have a really hard time seeing The White Stripes getting in FYE especially if Radiohead couldn't in 2018, I also think that the unfounded backlash against Meg White recently will hurt them this year as well, so I see them getting the Radiohead Effect/treatment and I think that they'll wait a year just like Radiohead and they'll get in next year on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 19:17pm


Richie, yes, if the source if right, I think INXS will be nominated soon.

I think certain people in the committee who support alternative music have considered JD/NO, the B-52's and INXS, due to some reasons, in 2023 nomination, they seem to make JD/NO the first priority and nominate JD/NO first despite the rumors that the B-52's will be nominated.

If JD/NO fails this year, I am not sure they will switch to other artists likethe B-52's and INXS. Nevertheless, I think JD/NO may have the greater chance to be inducted in the next year for a weaker class as I predict and the committee may insist on for one more chance.

Then the B-52's and INXS may be inducted in a row.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 20:49pm


Power,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2024 nominees, the 2024 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2025 nominees, the 2025 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2026 nominees, the 2026 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2027 nominees, the 2027 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2028 nominees and the 2028 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 21:51pm


Interesting note

Ilan Rubin just suggested if you miss a single year you lose your ballot. I believe the previous belief was if you miss 2 years.

Also he doesn't remember who he voted for

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 22:12pm


Matt R,

I read about Warren Cuccurullo. I remember now he was in Missing Persons. He was in the New Wave scene a lot in the 80s. You would have to elaborate on how he opens the door for Motley C and Skid Row. That seems like a stretch

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 22:15pm


Ben

He did a ton of like p0rn and weird shit. Like hardcore. If the hold back on Crue is they went too far with debauchery then Warren should not have been inducted

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 22:19pm


Which reunion would be a bigger deal for a Rock Hall ceremony: Oasis or The Smiths?

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 22:31pm


Richie, I would like to modify a little by INXS information. Let me rethink about it.

Posted by Power on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 22:35pm


Also, what is going to happen to Rage Against the Machine? They keep getting nominated over and over to no success which is shocking considering Tom Morello is on the nominating committee so you would think he would have the connections to pull this induction off. We know the voters are biased towards newly nominated artists and the last time someone with 4+ nominations was inducted in the performer category was The Zombies in 2019.

So do they get inducted via "Musical Excellence" or would that be seen as an insult? Then again, Judas Priest had to be inducted in that category and there was no mention of "Musical Excellence" at the ceremony so would it really mean anything?

It's just annoying to keep seeing their name pop up year after year and preventing other 90s bands like Smashing Pumpkins or the Pixies from getting on the ballot.

Plus, they're competing against Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, and The White Stripes so there goes their chance of induction this year.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 22:49pm


Garrick

While Moz is alive, Oasis.

Also I think Rage stays on the ballot until it happens. They're too big to go in via Musical Excellence. Doing so would be to admit that the system is as bad as Courtney Love suggested and I don't think the Hall wants to do that.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 23:12pm


I wonder how many tries it'll take until it happens. I wonder if they'll reach Black Sabbath or Stooges numbers before they get inducted or God forbid Chic.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 23:19pm


You haven't changed your tune one bit lol.

I base mine on trends, and I have been going over stuff. Certain nominees will fill more boxes. And why does he hate Joy Division/New Order? Not to beat a dead horse, but Richie had Celine Dion as his pick for months leading up to this, even though she is as far away from any nomination as possible because of some obscure illness.

I'm gonna jump into Ben's 2022 reviews soon. Whatever he has difficulty with, I'll try to pick up the slack

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 23:20pm


K-Dawg,

I don't hate Joy Division/New Order, I just think that it's the wrong ballot for them to make their debut on, I just think that it's a tough ballot for them to get in on, They're going up against more well-known acts such as Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon that all have much better chances of getting in this year with the current voting body, I think that they'll get in on a weaker ballot because they do absolutely deserve induction without a doubt and they're one of the biggest snubs from the Rock Hall, but just not this year on this crowded ballot.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/22/2023 @ 23:40pm


Garrick

I think 7. I'm guessing 2027 it finally happens and it'll set shit back like Alice In Chains, Faith No More, Deftones, System of the Down bands that should be considered soon will need to wait a long time to get on a ballot

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 00:39am


Power,

Have you figured out about what are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2024 nominees, the 2024 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2025 nominees, the 2025 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2026 nominees, the 2026 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2027 nominees, the 2027 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2028 nominees and the 2028 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 01:06am


Mat R,

Ok Early this morning I read about Warren Cucurullo's life after Duran D. Yeah I see that. Yeah I see He marketed Pornographic toys and some Hardcore videos. That wont be publicized by major websites. Well that's hypocritical as far as Motley Crue. The Hall needs to rethink their stance on them

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 02:41am


Alright Back to the 2022 Class. That's just last year. A year ago we were predicting Inductees for this one. Ok I continue

Musical Excellence:

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis

They are an American R&B/pop songwriting and record production team. They have enjoyed great success since the 1980s with various artists, most Notably with Janet Jackson. They helped Janet J a lot in her career. They have written 31 top ten hits in the UK and 41 in the US. In 2022, the duo were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the Musical Excellence category. I don't have much to say. Just that they were influential on Janet Jackson and other R&b people

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 02:57am


I definitely know and like some Heavy Metal. I am below that constant listening level. I am a regular Rock fan. But I certainly like a good dose of the Very old Heavy metal

Judas Priest

I am not going to have difficulty with this one. As a regular rock fan It doesn't bother me they got Musical Excellence. Back in 1983 I thought Rob Halford was some singer Named Judas Priest. I was accustomed to Billy Joel, Allman Brothers Band, Eric Clapton. Gr Dead, etc etc. I got curious in Heavy metal around that time. Judas Priest are one of the finest heavy metal bands of all time.
They had a lack of commercial success until 1980. The band's best-selling album is 1982's Screaming for Vengeance, with their most commercially successful line-up featuring Hill, Rob Halford, Glenn Tipton, guitarist K. K. Downing, and drummer Dave Holland. Although not original members, Tipton and Hill are the only two of the band to appear on every album.

Halford's operatic vocal style and the twin guitar sound of Downing and Tipton have been a major influence on heavy metal bands. Judas Priest's image of leather, spikes, and other taboo articles of clothing were widely influential during the glam metal era of the 1980s. Various magazines referred to British Steel as the record that defines heavy metal. Despite a decline in exposure during the mid-1990s, the band has once again seen a resurgence, including worldwide tours, and a several awards.
Judas Priest have a lot of albums. The favorite band of a best friend was Judas Priest. Not a real fan but I like the tunes Victim of Changes, Breaking the law, Livin After Midnight, Electric Eye, Riding the Wind, YOU've GOT Another Thing Coming. Those are my favs of them.

K-Dawg you should cover your take on those I know a lot NOT just the ones of difficulty. Heyy you reviewed the Doors last month, Im an expert on the Doors Ive been told. Go ahead and review Priest. They seem up your alley. Leaders of the original Old heavy metal. At least they are inducted in some way. Hear from a bunch of ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 03:43am


Richie, let me rethink about 2025-2028

2023 Inductees
Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden and Warren Zevon

2023 Musical Excellence
Kate Bush, Chaka Chan

2023 Early influence
DJ Kool Herc,Big Mama Thornton

2024 Nominees
John Prine, Dave Matthews Band, the White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, Outkast, A Tribe Called Quest, Iron Maiden, Rage Against the Machine, MC5, Fela Kuti, the Meters, Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Alanis Morissette

2024 Inductees
Outkast, The White Stripes, Alanis Morissette, Dave Matthews Band, Dionne Warwick, Joy Division/New Order, Iron Maiden

2024 Musical Excellence
MC5, Burt Bacharach

2024 Early influence
The Meters, Pasty Cline

Posted by Power on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 04:57am


Richie, I will stop predict for far future recently. It is too hard and I am tired.

I think we can get inspiration from songwriters hall of fame and grammy lifetime achivement award to find who have the possibility to be nominated, especially women. Carly Simon has been inducted in songwriters hall of fame for long ago but her appearance in rock hall is a little late and surprising. I think some old ladies in 60-70's may be investigated to be nominated like Diana Ross, Barbra Streisand, just to name a few.

Posted by Power on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 05:50am


If anyone is interested, I've made a Google Sheet for all the data I could find for that appearances list I've occasionally been mentioning. Here's the link for it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZiUmt5dpuILa2ytEvMHtOGaP2n2bBSD__z8nk8C6lR8/edit?usp=sharing

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 08:38am


Power,

Have you refigured out about what are your predictions for the 2025 nominees, the 2025 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2026 nominees, the 2026 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2027 nominees, the 2027 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2028 nominees and the 2028 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 09:07am


Question

Do you guys any of the internet meme bands and artists will get in?

Like it might sound dumb but journey kind of sets it up and after all smash mouth had a lot of hits, Soulja boi was ahead of his time, and ween were critical darlings and inspired probably the biggest animated show ever.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 12:58pm


Power,

Have you refigured out about what are your predictions for Rock Hall nominees and inductees (If 7 inductees each year plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well) from 2025-2028?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 17:51pm


Mat,

Highly doubt it. Journey at their peak was much, much larger than any of your examples, and even though they were critically maligned, there was much more there for the Boomers to get nostalgic about. Sure they were helped by Don't Stop Believin's sudden resurgence, but it helps that Don't Stop Believin is easy to like on more than an ironic level, and that their sound is pretty definitive of the idea of "80s stadium rock".

Smash Mouth has like three songs that anybody remembers (one a cover), and their meme resurgence came and went like five years ago. Soulja Boy was absolutely ahead of his time, but you have to go pretty far down the list of influential rappers before he gets anywhere near induction. I don't think Ween is really comparable, I put them more in the category with like The Flaming Lips and Pavement, niche but influential bands that it's hard to see an induction path for.

Honestly, closest we're going to get to what you're talking about is Weezer. They have the right combination of ironic meme enjoyment, but also wide and lasting popularity, a sound that is definitive of a certain era of rock, and a decent amount of critical acclaim.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 17:58pm


Rg

That's the thing... they're bigger than those examples but are they bigger than limp Bizkik? There's a ton of meme bands

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 20:04pm


There's also Nickelback back but I feel like most of us can agree that'll happen in 10 to 15 years probably. They were kind of undeniably the biggest band on the planet from 2001 to 2008 and despite being a joke for years time has been pretty kind to them as loads of acts have taken influence from them and people have begun to re assess them

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 20:17pm


Power,

Have you refigured out about what are your predictions for nominees and inductees (If 7 inductees each year plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well) from 2025-2028?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 21:39pm


To break the monotony I made this dream list of inductors for the acts if/when they are inducted.

Soundgarden- Eddie Vedder
The Spinners- Questlove
Iron Maiden- James Hetfield
Cyndi Lauper- Wendi Richter
Sheryl Crow- Pat Benatar
Warren Zevon- David Letterman
The White Stripes- Cage the Elephant
Rage Against the Machine- Chuck D
A Tribe Called Quest- Busta Rhymes
Kate Bush- Tori Amos
Willie Nelson- Snoop Dogg
JD/NO- Martin Gore and Dave Gahan
Missy Elliott- Lizzo
George Michael- Elton John

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 03/23/2023 @ 23:36pm


Power,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), your revised predictions for the 2024 nominees and the 2024 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well)?. Also, Have you refigured out about what are your predictions for the 2025 nominees, the 2025 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), the 2026 nominees, the 2026 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), the 2027 nominees, the 2027 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), the 2028 nominees and the 2028 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 09:03am


Richie, you made a friend who did some of your list stuff and then you wore him out. Give it a rest, buddy.

Whichever of this class does everyone think is the least likely for induction and why?

I'm gonna go with Rage, just because there seems to be no timeline for them established firmly

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 09:39am


K-Dawg,

In terms of acts who are the least likely to get in this year, I'm gonna go with Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush (as a Performer, but she'll still get in this year via Musical Excellence) and A Tribe Called Quest. It's not because those acts don't deserve induction because they all do absolutely deserve induction, but those acts just didn't have the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America that the other nominees this year have had, so I think that they're the least likely to get in this year even though Kate Bush will still get in this year via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 09:52am


Hey K-Dawg,

Good to see you again. Did you see my response?

Also lol Richie you made and lost a friend in maybe less than 24 hours. Come on man.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 10:55am


Plebeian,

I didn't lose a friend on here, I have made a good friend on here named Power (aka ABC) and I had been talking to them on here for the past week or so, so they're just tired and not replying back to me on my comments to them right now, That's all.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 11:09am


Plebeian,

I didn't lose a friend on here, I have made a good friend on here named Power (aka ABC) and I had been talking to them on here for the past week or so, so they're just tired and not replying back to me on my comments to them right now, That's all.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 11:09am


Power,

I'm so sorry that I have offended you, I didn't mean to offend you, I am autistic and I am coping and struggling with the recent unexpected death of my Nana on January 16 of this year and My mom has advanced lung cancer as well, I was born on April 11, 1996 and I'll be 27 in a few weeks, so Please talk to me again and also, Have you refigured out about what are your predictions for the 2025-2028 nominees and inductees (If 7 inductees each year as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 12:55pm


Hi plebeian! What response was that one? Good to see you around.

Richie, you're probably fine, but your relentless repetition of rrhof lists and stock answers can grate on some people at times

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 15:55pm


Power,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), Also, What are your revised predictions for the 2024-2028 nominees and inductees (If 7 inductees each year plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 19:18pm


14 NOMINEES; 7 INDUCTEES - YES, I THINK THEY WILL INDUCT HALF OF THEM - THAT'S THE PLAN

THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL
HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

MY 2023 ROCK AND ROLL
HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

1. The Spinners
2. Willie Nelson
3. George Michael
4. Cyndi Lauper
5. Kate Bush
6. Iron Maiden
7. Joy Division/New Order

WHEN VOTING SENIORITY

1. Willie Nelson
2. The Spinners
3. Warren Zevon
4. Kate Bush
5. Joy Division/New Order
6. Iron Maiden
7. George Michael

WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ARTISTS

1. The White Stripes
2. Missy Elliott
3. Sheryl Crow
4. Rage Against The Machine
5. A Tribe Called Quest
6. Soundgarden
7. Cyndi Lauper

WHEN VOTING FOR SOLO ARTISTS ONLY

1. Willie Nelson
2. Warren Zevon
3. Kate Bush
4. George Michael
5. Cyndi Lauper
6. Sheryl Crow
7. Missy Elliott

WHEN VOTING FOR BANDS ONLY

1. The Spinners
2. Joy Division/New Order
3. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
5. A Tribe Called Quest
6. Rage Against The Machine
7. The White Stripes

WHEN VOTING FOR WOMEN ONLY

1. Kate Bush
2. Cyndi Lauper
3. Sheryl Crow
4. Missy Elliott
5. The White Stripes
6. Joy Division/New Order

WHEN VOTING FOR BLACKS / NON-WHITES ONLY

1. The Spinners
2. Soundgarden
3. Rage Against The Machine
4. A Tribe Called Quest
5. Missy Elliott

WHEN VOTING ROCKIST

1. Willie Nelson
2. Iron Maiden
3. Joy Division/New Order
4. Sheryl Crow
5. Soundgarden
6. Rage Against The Machine
7. The White Stripes

THERE REALLY ISN'T A WORST-CASE SCENARIO THIS YEAR, BUT I'LL TRY...

WORST-CASE SCENARIO – LOW CEREMONY ATTENDENCE AND BAD FOR TELEVISION RATINGS

1. Missy Elliott
2. The White Stripes
3. A Tribe Called Quest
4. Warren Zevon - DEAD
5. George Michael - DEAD
6. The Spinners - MOSTLY DEAD
7. Willie Nelson

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 19:36pm


The Spinners have surpassed Rage Against The Machine in the official fan vote! - # 10

https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 19:39pm


Richie, I am sorry that I am busy recently as I am preparing for my thesis presentation and I am tired recently. Please give me more time for think about the rock hall things.

Posted by power on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 19:41pm


Richie, I am sorry to know about your recent situations. I really hope all the best with you.

Posted by power on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 19:43pm


Power,

I completely understand that you've been really busy lately, and I completely respect that as well, but I really wanna see your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well) and your revised predictions for the 2024 nominees and the 2024 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well) again as well as I'm just dying to know what your revised predictions for the 2025 nominees, the 2025 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), the 2026 nominees, the 2026 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), the 2027 nominees, the 2027 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), the 2028 nominees and the 2028 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well) are.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 20:19pm


I'm not saying this to be mean, Richie. Give him some breathing room. Your insatiable desire for lists and constant predictions can really wear thin at times.

Find another topic. There's plenty here to unpack.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 23:16pm


You guys think this is the year we see a music video director get inducted? The last 4 classes have been uber heavy on artists known for important and groundbreaking music videos and artists who were key to MTV. This year is almost guaranteed to be the same. Would make sense to finally induct one as many have become high profile and celebrated figures especially in a year where most of the frontrunners (cept for Willie, Maiden, and Warren) have super duper iconic videos.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 23:44pm


Mat R,

Regarding a music video director getting inducted this year: My guess is no.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 23:52pm


richie

no clue but can see it. like if someone mentions fincher he's going in

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 03/24/2023 @ 23:58pm


Mat R,

When did you start following the Rock Hall and How long have you been a Rock Hall watcher for?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 00:05am


Ben, to address what you said about my following the rock hall for years...I remember reading about the inductions every year (Halls of Fame are like an addiction to me) since the Beatles were inducted. I enjoy learning about music history,and have always appreciated music from genres all across the board. I am not a musician, although I own a guitar and drums I play both of them like garbage lol. I just like the rhythm, the voices, the tone...from a soft warble to a throat piercing scream heh.

A life without music is too quiet a life for me

Ok, enough waxing poetic and philosophical mumbo jumbo about my head being a literal ipod. I will touch on Stewart and Lennox this weekend at some point. Stay tuned for the Eurythmics...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 00:21am


K-Dawg,

Was talking about my post on dream inductors for the acts.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 00:33am


K-Dawg,

We are similar with the Rock Hall through the years. I read about it when the Beatles and Rolling Stones were inducted. It struck my attention more with the Who inducted in 1990. I am a Who fanatic, My Favorite band. But then I didn't pay attention too much until the Cream and the Doors were inducted at the same time. My Local radio station WNEW played highlights of that ceremony. The 1993 ceremony. Then I was hooked to keeping up with the Rock Hall for life. Music is great release. A life without music is boring and quiet, Alrigh t same as you that's enough sentimental and philosophical mumbo jumbo. I will touch on Pat Benatar and Neil Geraldo. Stay tuned for Pat Benatar!

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 02:49am


Pat Benatar

I love Pat Benatar. If there is a woman to represent 1980s Rock its Pat. She was denied in 2020. But was inducted in 2022. This is clearly my favorite act for 2022.
I was there for the debut of Pat Benatar with early hits like Heartbreaker. I saw her play Heartbreaker on one of the famous Talk shows during 1980. And then I bought Crimes of Passion. Pat was one of the first huge stars of the 1980s.

Her 1979 debut album, In the Heat of the Night, was her breakthrough in North America, It was known right away. Two singles from it were hits: "Heartbreaker" and "We Live for Love", the latter written by her lead guitarist and future husband, Neil Giraldo. Her second album, 1980's Crimes of Passion, was her most successful work, peaking at No. 2 in North America and France it became platinum in a couple countries. Its single "Hit Me with Your Best Shot" reached the top 10 in the US and Canada and is considered to be her most famous song. Its an iconic song. Her third album, Precious Time (1981), was another success, topping the US Album Chart and becoming her first top 10 album in Australia. Its single "Fire and Ice" was another Top 10 hit. Promises in the Dark and the title tune are awesome songs tooo. Her next release, Get Nervous (1982), sold less well than her previous two albums, but did include the huge hit "Shadows of the Night".I was in High school during the time of her biggest hits.
The single "Love Is a Battlefield" (1983) was her biggest hit in most countries, and on the US Rock Tracks chart, and No. 5 on the US Hot 100. The live album it came from, Live from Earth, was her biggest seller in Australia, Germany and the Netherlands. In 1984, she released Tropico and its lead single "We Belong", which reached the top 10 here in the US. I was in College by that time.

My favorite Pat Benatar songs are Heartbreaker, Hit me With Your Best Shot, Hell is for Children, Promises in the Dark, Precious Time title tune, Shadows of the Night, Little Too Little and We Belong. She was the perfect Rock star for the 1980s. She released an album in 1991 and faded out after that.
She was inducted in 2022. She was inducted by Sheryl Crow. Great speech. 2022 Ceremony brings us to the edge of predictions for this year. Sheryl Crow willl be inducted this year. I am sure of it.
Just several months ago actually Pat and Neil Giraldo. They opened with All Fired Up amd burst into Love is a Battlefield. Pat's first hit Heartbreaker followed which gave the night a great sing along. And there it is Pat Benatar and Neil Giraldo. PAT BENATAR is one of the best rock stars of the 80s

Posted by Ben u on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 09:02am


I will avoid confusion. I am Ben U. Its a mistake obviously.
Now then I'd like Judas Priest. I know them rather well. K Dawg you seeeem big with J Priest.
Review any 2022 ones you like. Waiting for Eurythmics from you! Stay tuned for Carly Simon.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 09:30am


Power,

I really wanna see your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories) and your revised predictions for the 2024 nominees and the 2024 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories) again as well as I'm just dying to know what are your revised predictions for the 2025 nominees, the 2025 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), the 2026 nominees, the 2026 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), the 2027 nominees, the 2027 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well), the 2028 nominees and the 2028 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well) are?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 10:05am


Ok I continue with 2022 Class and the Ceremony. UP NEXT was Carly Simon. There was a few women acts at the Ceremony last year 2022.

Carly Simon

She is the 2022 representative 1970s singer/songwriter. Although technically she has Not written her own songs much. She falls into that genre veryyy well. There is Mellow acts every year. I am Not a huge Carly Simon fan but a like a lot of her hits. A Greatest hits suits me. She could Not make it to the Ceremony. As is often the case when an is delayed years and decades there is health issues of the person or Family. Her sister passed away the week before Ceremony. She couldnt go.
Carly found great success as a solo artist with her 1971 self-titled debut album, spawned her first Top 10 hit "That's the Way I've Always Heard It Should Be" Simon's second album, Anticipation, followed later that year and became an even greater success; it spawned the successful hits "Anticipation" and "Legend in Your Own Time". Simon achieved international fame with her third album, No Secrets (1972), which was a #1 album. The album spawned the worldwide hit "You're So Vain", which was a huge #1 No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 for three weeks, and this one is my favorite Carly S song. The second single "The Right Thing to Do", as well as its B-side "We Have No Secrets", were also successful. Her fourth album, Hotcakes (1974), soon followed and became an instant success; it was big album too within two weeks of release, and spawned the hits"Mockingbird" and "Haven't Got Time for the Pain". In 1975, Simon's fifth album, Playing Possum, and the compilation, The Best of Carly Simon, both appeared; the former hit the Top 10 on the Billboard 200 chart and spawned a minor hit song that I don't know.

In 1977, Simon recorded "Nobody Does It Better" as the theme song to the Bond film The Spy Who Loved Me, and it became a worldwide hit. It was the No. 1 Adult Contemporary hit of 1977. Retrospectively, it has been ranked one of the greatest Bond themes. And I love James Bond movies Simon began recording more songs for films in the 1980s, including "Coming Around Again" for the film Heartburn (1986). The song became a major Adult Contemporary hit, and the Coming Around Again album appeared the following year, to further critical acclaim and commercial success. The album was another big one. My Wife's favorite artist is Carly Simon. Carly is associated with Easy Listening a lot.

In 2005, Simon was nominated for a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, but she has yet to claim her star. In 2012, she was honored with the Founders Award from the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers. She has a LOT of awards. In 2022, Simon was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. My Favs of Carly Simon are You're SO Vain, Haven't Got Time for the Pain and Nobody Does it Better. The hit Coming Around again is good tooo. She blows a lady like Celine Dion awayyyy.
Thats How it is richie. Carly couldnt make it to the Ceremony due to the passing of her sister. There was a great tribute Olivia Rodrigo did a great version of You're SO Vain. I think it was a highlight of the Ceremony last year. I do NOT know Olivia Rodrigo. NOT everyone in their 50s like me knows her. BUT I do like my share of Carly Simon. Reviews of Carly by you guys are Awesome

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 11:02am


Ok Now I am one of the Jewish guys here. So I did Not mind the Award to Alan Grubman. Alan Grubman reminds me a bit of my Dad. Old Jewish guy.

Ahmet Ertegun Award

Allen Grubman

John Mellencamp toast Allen Grubman. He is a powerful attorney who did money making work for Bono and Bruce Springsteen. John Mellencamp stands proudly in favor of Allen and his family. Some hate that Allen was inducted. I am Jewish so I don't Mind. That's on him. I don't know much about him. That's all I have to say on him
.

Lionel Richie

Lionel Richie was the next act. Lenny Kravittz a rocker inducted him. That's because they met like 27 years ago. Lionel R performed at the Ceremony last year. He sang All Night Long. He has always been a nice mellow singer.
In 1981, Richie wrote and produced the single "Endless Love", which he recorded as a duet with Diana Ross; it remains among the top 20 bestselling singles of all time, and the biggest career hit for both artists In 1982, he officially launched his solo career with the album Lionel Richie, which sold over four million copies and spawned the hits "You Are", "My Love", and the number one hit "Truly". They are nice, It shows nice talent. Not favorites a bit boring but Nice.

Richie's second album, Can't Slow Down (1983), reached number one on the chart and sold over 20 million copies worldwide, becoming one of the best-selling albums of all time; and spawned the number one hits "All Night Long (All Night)" and "Hello". My wife sings a great version of this song. His third album, Dancing on the Ceiling (1986), spawned the number one hit "Say You, Say Me" (from the 1985 film White Nights) and the Top 10 hit Dancing on the Ceiling. From 1986 to 1996, Richie took a break from recording; he has since then released more albums in the 2000s. He has joined the singing show American Idol to serve as a judge, starting from its sixteenth season.
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During his solo career, Richie became one of the most successful soft singers of the 1980s, and has sold over 100 million records worldwide, making him one of the world's best-selling artists of all time. I don't listen to him a lot. I lean to Rock more but My favs of Lionel Richie are All Night Long and Hello.
He was inducted into the RNR Hall in 2022. He certainly deserves it, I got No problem with a lot of Older pop. He sang a great version of All Night Long and also Hello and Easy. The mighty Dave Grohl added a nice guitar solo. Alright. I do NOT remember when Early Influence was done but those are Next. I''ll give time for response.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 12:04pm


I'm on a Roll Today with the 2022 Class. Yeah I will give to time for response.
I'm going to cover Early Influence awards

Early Influence

Harry Belafonte

Harry Belafonte is best known for his recordings of "The Banana Boat Song", with its signature "Day-O" lyric, "Jump in the Line", and "Jamaica Farewell". He has recorded and performed in many genres, including blues, folk, gospel and show tunes. He has also starred in several movies including Carmen Jones (1954) and Island in the Sun{1957}. I know a few things and songs of Harry Belafonte. Its before my time but I know him from my Dad. I know these movies better than the songs, Well a litttlle better. This is wayyy back in my Dad's time. I recall he mentioned them.

Eliabeth Cotten

She is a blues musician. Also she was a left handed guitarist. She played Bass lines. She did what's called Cotton picking with her guitar.

Both Harry Belafonte and Eliabeth Cotten were inducted into the RNR Hall of Fame as part of the class of 2022. Videos were shown.

Okkk so much for those. UP NEXT the Eurythmics. K-Dawg willl do this one and Eminem. Go ahead!!!

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 12:28pm


Power,

I really want to see your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories) and your revised predictions for the 2024 nominees and the 2024 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories) again as well as I'm just dying to know what are your revised predictions for the 2025 nominees, the 2025 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2026 nominees, the 2026 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2027 nominees, the 2027 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories), the 2028 nominees and the 2028 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories) are?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 16:56pm


Just gonna throw out some random 2024 predictions based on what type of artist this year's nominees are because I'm bored:
New eligible rap: Lauryn Hill
2nd rap artist: OutKast
New wave: Pet Shop Boys
80s: Billy Idol
Newly nominated woman: Sade
90s woman: Liz Phair
Returning female artist: Mary J. Blige
Metal: Motörhead
Returning 90s: Jane's Addiction
2000s artist: Coldplay
2nd 90s artist: Oasis
R&B: Diana Ross
Classic Rock: Bad Company

Additional noms:
Newly eligible: John Mayer
Modern pop act (aka I'm out of ideas): Britney Spears

No I'm not gonna list who I think would be inducted from this list, don't even bother asking.

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 20:20pm


I wish people would shut up about the hall and women. There's plenty of women who should be in but most of the more deserving acts are all male.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 21:14pm


Follower

Disagree

When we look at the most influential and most commercially successful and critically acclaimed snubs. Most of the biggest names are women

Kate Bush, new order, Missy Elliot, Mariah carey, pixies, sonic youth, cher, Lauryn Hill, Liz Phair, Poly Styrene

Mariah Carey, cher, Britney Spears, Beyonce (with Destiny's child), Shania Twain

Bjork, PJ Harvey, tori Amos, bikini kill, Liz Phair, Chaka Khan, Roberta flack

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 22:28pm


Follower

Like shit more people probably actively and openly wanted to become a bassist cause Suzi Quatro looked badass playing it than Paul McCartney, James Jamerson, John Entwistle, and Bootsy Collins combined. You gonna tell me that's not hall of fame worthy?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 22:32pm


Follower,

Wtf is that opinion bro. Just Because you said that I will make sure to never shut up about the rock hall and women

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 23:59pm


Follower,

Wtf is that opinion bro. Just Because you said that I will make sure to never shut up about the rock hall and women

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 03/25/2023 @ 23:59pm


Follower is a misogynist, BRO.

Posted by Rhiannon J on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 00:43am


Another thing to consider, and why this whole "females can't get in" argument might be slightly overblown -

For the past several years, when the committee finally gets off its ass and nominates long overdue female artists like they are now, a large majority of them (Carly Simon, Dolly Parton, Eurythmics, Pat Benatar, Gogos, Carole King as a solo artist, Tina Turner as a solo artist, Whitney Houston, Stevie Nicks, Nina Simone, etc) are getting in within 1-2 nominations, leaning towards one. There are several one shots who didn't get nominated since, but the other outliers are Janet Jackson taking 3 nominations, Dionne Warwick having 2 and not being in, Kate Bush's obscurity in America leading to 4 nominations so far that might finally break this year with her recent success, and the ever infamous Chaka Khan debacle.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 10:44am


Guest,

I think that Kate Bush will get the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 10:59am


Guest

Cept you know there's been one all woman group nominated in like the last decade (give or take a year or 2 maybe) which is part of the cause of the gross number of men over women inducted (and it's not like the go-gos were the only ones you could do) and the fact that only 4 women non-performers are in (also the category is named after a noted abuser of women) and a single woman has been given the AME and she got it as part of a group with like 8 guys. Not to mention women of colour are typically the ones needing multiple nominations.

There's also the fact pretty much all the most high profile names not in at the moment is a woman. Like you can't argue Jethro Tull or Foreigner is a higher profile snub than Mariah Carey, Mary J Blige, Ella Fitzgerald, Cher, or Beyonce (who is now a snub thanks to Destiny's Child)...also all women from marginalized groups.

And there's the preference in recent years for nominating underground male centric acts and not similar female acts. MC5, Devo, and NY Dolls got like 13 nominations between them and they nominated Bad Brains yet no word on like The Slits or X-Ray Spex or Sonic Youth? But Bad Brains has a nomination. That's weird

It is not an overstated issue.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 11:59am


I think George Michael is likely to win the popular vote.

Kate Bush should be taking the spot of the strong woman and pioneering artist.

Cindy Lauper, however, is a strong contendant, especially considering her relatively constant mainstream following throughout the years.

It's pretty clear that it's Maiden's year.

I was so desperately hoping that Joy Division would get the nod soon! One of the most unsettling nods so far, in my view, and no certainty in sight that this course would be corrected... Everyone must have been wondering how New Order would be considered in relation to its previous iteration. Now we know. It would be an unimaginably satisfying, swift victory if they just got it on their fort nomination.

Same goes for Soundgarden.

God I wish I could say that Rage is getting it as well this time, but I guess I'm putting my money on the above mentioned.

As for Willie, the Hall made it's effort with country induction Dolly last year. They'll be taking a short break.

Maybe the Spinners, but, other than that, these are the one who stand a real chance.

Posted by G. on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 14:21pm


Mat R

Interesting comments. Agree wholeheartedly on Sonic Youth, but I expect them to be nominated in next few years. Same with Bjork. And P J Harvey as well. But I am not sure I agree that women are seriously underrepresented. Or put another way, can anyone explain to me why Stevie Nicks got in while Don Henley (whose solo career is basically equal or superior to Stevie's) hasn't gotten a whisper? The following male artists have not gotten a nomination: Nick Cave & Bad Seeds, Blur, Oasis and Wilco. And I won't mention the more obvious like Tull, Styx, etc. And The Smiths are the most glaring omission by far, even more so than Kate Bush.,

My point being that we can't put everyone in. I cringed at Carole King's second induction, because it begs the question of why Dylan, The Bee Gees, Randy Newman and Lennon/McCartney are not similarly honored.

Anyway, I greatly enjoy your comments and insights. And at least you didn't suggest The Runaways.

Posted by souljah on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 15:12pm


Soulja

Stevie Nicks has proved far more influential and celebrated than don Henley. Like no one talks about his career outside of anymore while she's become like witch queen of music who Beyonce samples and Miley and Harry want to be. I'm sorry but that's a terrible example cause he failed the test of time while she didn't.

Also the Smiths won't be nominated till moz dies so that's a non point duder.

Also no one wants every woman in or even 50/50 but are saying there's an issue cause if you even inducted 100 women and no men in one year women would still make up less than 20% of all inductees or in other words yea underrepresented.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 16:05pm


Power,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories) and What are your revised predictions for the 2024-2028 nominees and the 2024-2028 inductees (If 7 inductees each year as well as the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 16:27pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Willie Nelson
Joy Division/New Order
Soundgarden
Iron Maiden
Sheryl Crow
Warren Zevon

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Roscoe on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 18:57pm


Anyone have any thoughts on my next year predictions? Also swapping out Liz Phair for PJ Harvey.

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 19:40pm


Raichu

I don't know if they'd pit Lauryn and Outkast against each other but they should cause I think both would get in. Don't see the Pet Shop Boys but do see Billy Idol very soon same with Sade (can't see it with Lauryn cause the Hall is dumb). Liz would get nominated over PJ (more acclaimed classic album, better selling albums, had a top 40 hit) but Alanis and Tori are still out there. I don't like the idea of a returning 90s act especially from that alt metal version of alt rock when you know Britpop, Emo, and Indie are still waiting and as important. Mary J is a maybe but can't see it with Lauryn. Motorhead if Maiden get it but I think they go in Early Influence. Coldplay vs Oasis would be sick. Ross is a maybe but again the Hall is dumb. Bad Company probably. Mayer will wait 4 years. Britney will be nominated 4 times and then inducted.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 19:50pm


Mat R,

I do understand your point here, and agree with it in some regards, but I think the automatic conclusion that voters hate females or POC is a bit rough and drawing a conclusion.

We have to consider the original intention, that the Rock Hall was founded to induct rock artists and those who directly influenced those rock artists. And there's many voters who think that the hall should remain only in that realm of rock as a genre and not expand to other genres. ALSO how so much of this thing is just the big music label industry circlejerking itself (see how we mentioned earlier that Foo Fighters leapfrogged so many more deserving artists because Grohl is in the in-crowd and is liked for being nice). This leads to endless amount of artists who should be in early having to wait 30 years or never make it at all.

On the first point, how many all-women rock groups with zero male inductees are viable? Gogos were obvious, and Bangles are the only other one that would come to mind. All-women groups would have to be examples like TLC or Destiny's Child (who will make it soon enough, the FYN was so heavy this year even Coldplay was snubbed and they aren't going to miss on having Beyonce show up) and so on, which are not rock and voters are hesitant to vote for and also newer artists voters also are having trouble relating to. Which is a common theme with female and POC nominees, such as the ones you mentioned; they are huge and important names in music, but not always in the type of rock they vote for or even rock in the first place. Which makes sense why it takes multiple nominations to get in for some. And note that the same group would grown if Garth Brooks was put up for nomination, to them it's keeping the hall to what they think is the intent of the hall and no other factor. Even Dolly thought that way early on when she didn't want to be put up for nomination.

And in terms of underground artists, this is a wider problem then just females - the rock hall is just BAD at nominating underground or unique artists. We're just NOW getting to JD/NO which is insane to think with what they done. There's many groups with females who are snubbed hard (B-52s, Siouxie, Pixies, Sonic Youth and so on), 100% agree, but there's male artists too who are the same. Smiths somehow didn't get in after 2 nominations and might never get in now, Husker Du was equally important in pioneering alternative as REM and likely will never get a nomination, none of the OBCBYL bands have been nominated besides Replacements once, no indication Dead Kennedys or other punk pioneers who weren't mainstream successes would ever be considered. Bands like Talk Talk or MBV who pioneer to invent genres are not even brought up as even long possibilities for a nomination. Anything harder then Soundgarden getting in, who is still struggling despite one of the pioneering grunge bands and being massive commercial successes? Lol.

The more the voting body gets younger and more diverse the more you'll see things change like they have been, where we'll start seeing more 80s/90s acts and non-rock acts and underground acts and more females. Takes time to change things though, remember this hall is so stubborn it took like 4 years for them to get Bowie in. Reality has no bearing in this place.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 20:59pm


Guest

I didn't say it's an automatic conclusion and I don't. The hall and voters hating women would be a stupid take. The conclusion should be the hall has set itself up, after 35 years of operation, with a massive backlog of women and a voter base that isn't all that interested in the styles of music a lot of women make.

A lot of what you say is true but you seem to be taking the wrong take from it. The underground issue pretty important to women going because guess what that's where women operated in largely because rock radio from like 1980 to well now has had unwritten rules that limited playing songs with women singers (artists, programmers, and DJs have all talked about it). So if underground can't get in that screws women in the hall more than men.

Similar issues exist in country and hip hop.

It's also important to note, a lot of the women again were solo.

Essentially the current model means a handful of women can get in compared a lot of men. There's not real solution aside from something radical (all women ballot which would go over badly I think, reducing the years needed to qualify to like 15) but the hall is pretty conservative so that's unlikely.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 21:36pm


Random thought since both the Smiths and Motorhead have come up a bit today

With Morrissey and Kanye likely blacklisted and Lemmy likely going in as Early Influence does that mean that Matt Skiba is the most likely guy with openly far right sympathies and interests to be inducted into the Rock Hall as a performer (he'll likely be on the Blink 182 nomination)?

Like there are conservatives and guys who has postured with far right stuff for gimmick or been into "the occult" but I don't think they've ever inducted a dude like Skiba, who legit has some sussy interests.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/26/2023 @ 22:58pm


Ok I'll continue. the next act is a key act of the 80s. A bit too weird for me. I prefer the Cars and Duran D. Duran D is the other New wave act inducted for 2022. K-Dawg. Somehow you know I'm weak with Eurythmics. Maybe because I'm Not a huge New wave. I It was to support women that they were inducted cause of Annie Lennox. She is kinda boring and strange to me.

Eurythmics were a British pop duo consisting of Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart. That's the whole group, They went on to achieve global acclaim when their second album Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This), was released in 1983. The title track became a worldwide hit. hitting No. 1 in Canada and the US Billboard Hot 100. The duo went on to release a string of other hits like urythmics were a British pop duo consisting of Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart. They were both previously in The Tourists, a band which broke up in 1980. The duo released their first studio album, In the Garden, in 1981 to little success, but went on to achieve global acclaim when their second album Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This), was released in 1983. The title track became a worldwide hit, reaching No.2 The duo went on to release a string of other hits and albums, including "Love Is a Stranger", "There Must Be an Angel (Playing with My Heart)", "Here Comes the Rain Again" and" Would I Lie to You". Not a fan Here Comes the Rain and Would I Lie to you are Ok. K-Dawg go ahead with Eurythmics!!

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 05:26am


Mat r,

Didn't know Skiba was far right, but why would lemmy go under early influence? I could see Hawkwind maybe but Motörhead are too popular and beloved to be snubbed like that

Posted by Will M on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 06:05am


Did a quick google search and found nothing suggesting he was far right, actually found a concert clip of him complaining about trump in like 2018. Also I don't think skiba would be inducted with blink anyway. They didn't indict Ritchie Faulkner with Priest, or Dave Navarro with the Chili Peppers

Posted by Will M on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 06:13am


Will m

Skiba isn't like far right in political sense but like Lemmy he's got some interests. He super into and involved with the neofolk scene which a lot of far right stuff to the point he like hangs out with Boyd rice fairly often. He's also got some sussy tats.

And we say that but they just had to induct Judas priest that way. My guess is when they a name via musical excellence they want a performance, that ain't happening with Motorhead. The Kraftwerk thing seems pretty likely

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 06:39am


Mat, the way the Hall has been going, I don't think blink can count on a nomination. At least not in his lifetime.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 06:55am


Paul in KY

I dunno. The way things are going it's looking like by 2030 Blink will be the most cited influence on hip pop and pop. I can't see them not getting nominated

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 07:45am


If you had a Rock Hall ballot, how would you pick your choices? For me, I would vote for:

1) Kate Bush
2) Iron Maiden
3) Joy Division/New Order
4) Warren Zevon
5) The Spinners

I would tend to not vote for artists who are newly eligible (in this case Missy Elliot or The White Stripes) because I feel like there's a lot more work to be done with the back catalogue. I would also prefer not to vote for artists who would do fine with the larger voting body like Willie Nelson. They don't need my help.

I would much prefer to vote for artists who would be more on the bubble of induction or maybe don't have a shot at all. I call it an "underdog ballot." I'm not voting for who's coming in 1st or 2nd place but who comes in 5th or 6th place because to me, that's where the best surprises come from when the inductees are announced.

So yeah, I would surprised if two of the artists I would vote for are inducted (I think Zevon stands the biggest chance) but I would rather vote for something a little bit different than do a safe ballot.

Posted by Garrick on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 09:51am


And for the record, for someone who has a bias towards 80s/90s alternative music, Joy Division/New Order are one of those artists I would vote for every time they're on a ballot. Same with The Smiths, same with the Pixies, same with Smashing Pumpkins, same with The Replacements. Heck even if they threw in a curveball and nominated PJ Harvey I would be all in on it.

Posted by Garrick on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 09:55am


Garrick

Zevon, Michael, Soundgarden, White Stripes, Bush

Zevon has a special place in my heart

Michael is IMO a perfect pop star plus he did it in his terms while producing bangers

Soundgarden deeply influential but kinda weak. Mainly voting cause Chris is an icon and for Asian representation

White stripes probably the most important rock act on the ballot. Also grew up with them plus MEG WHITE can drum

Bush too solid an artist not to vote for and it's getting dumb she's not in

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 10:46am


If I had to choose 5 for my ballot it would be:

1. Soundgarden
2. JD/NO
3. Rage Against The Machine
4. Kate Bush
5. The White Stripes

-Rage is self-explanatory

-Love the White Stripes as they defined the 2000s era of rock music specifically the garage revival part. Jack and Meg are also a duo that proves you don't need a full band to make something special.

-JD/NO are some of the best alternative rock has to offer and antithesis of each other when comes to the genres they both influenced. Two birds with one stone kind of nom for them too.

-Soundgarden I've grown fond of for the past few years and an Audioslave fan for life due to Cornell collaborating with Rage

-Kate Bush because I always loved her variety of going from being serious to being goofy at times. Love an artist that isn't afraid to be fun every now and then. And I like redheads so they maybe a factor.


So yeah those are my reasons. Sometimes the inner fan of me just speaks for itself.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 11:01am


Was gonna add Maiden but don't want to put all my eggs in one basket by having so many adjacent metal acts in my ballot. :)

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 11:03am


Garrick,

If I had a Rock Hall ballot, the following acts that I would vote for are:

1. Sheryl Crow
2. Cyndi Lauper
3. George Michael
4. Willie Nelson
5. Soundgarden

Warren Zevon, Missy Elliott, The White Stripes, The Spinners and Rage Against The Machine would be next in line for me.

I'm going with popularity and name recognition over influence and critical acclaim, so Iron Maiden, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush and Joy Division/New Order miss out for me even though they're all absolutely deserving of induction.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 12:05pm


Was gonna add Maiden but don't want to put all my eggs in one basket by having so many adjacent metal acts in my ballot. :)

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 12:49pm


I don't want to be mean Richie but you have quite possibly the lamest and most safe ballot I've seen yet. Sheryl Crow? She has got to be the most boring artist on the ballot. She brings absolutely nothing unique to the Rock Hall other than them using her as an excuse to say they're inducting more women and because she'll be a definite appearance at the ceremony. There's a reason why nobody on the ballot tracker has voted for her yet. And come on Richie. Willie Nelson? George Michael? They don't need your vote. They're clear locks at this point. I would argue Soundgarden is the only artist on your ballot that would need your vote as I consider them a bubble artist.

And yeah I know I'm going off on someone who doesn't have a ballot and of course is entitled to their own opinion but ballots like Richie's are the reason why we keep getting the same safe induction classes year after year.

Posted by Garrick on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 12:58pm


Garrick,

The reason why that I chose those 5 acts (Sheryl Crow, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson and Soundgarden) is because they, along with Warren Zevon, Missy Elliott, The White Stripes, The Spinners and Rage Against The Machine, are the acts that I feel have the best chance of getting in this year with the current voting body/committee based on voting patterns and trends, major mainstream popularity/commercial success, industry connections and name recognition. That's the reason why that I chose those 5 acts.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 13:14pm


Garrick, Richie is entitled to choose whoever he wants and for whatever reason he feels is correct. Your statement is hypocritical as you are picking artists that you feel would benefit from your vote. In actuality, you should be voting for the 5 you feel deserve it the most and not be so strategic. No artist on this ballot is guaranteed for induction and it's faulty to think such a thing. Isn't this the logic that caused Radiohead to miss out on a first-year induction?

Posted by Rhiannon J on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 13:29pm


Power,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well) and What are your revised predictions for the 2024-2028 nominees and inductees (If 7 inductees each year plus the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories as well)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 14:23pm


If I had ballot here's who I'd vote for.

1) Kate Bush
2) George Michael
3) Joy Division/New Order
4) Iron Maiden
5) Warren Zevon

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 14:47pm


Greg F,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you have as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 14:49pm


Guys I have news

I just talked to another hall of famer. He didn't reveal his ballot but he told 4 of the 9 he didn't vote for and why.

He wouldn't go on the record for the newspaper I write with because it's a private matter but said cool if I posted a summary here with no real description of him beyond basics cause 'let the nerds have fun'

Take from this what you want totally fine if you want to ignore it

Profile: white male backing member of a band. Older

Who he didn't pick

Cyndi - knows her personally and considers her a friend of sorts but doesn't think she deserves it cause she's a 1 album wonder and that album is just ok

Zevon - another person he knew but considers him a one hit wonder and kind of a dick. Does like the wind album. Thinks he's going in.

Jd/no - get they're important but doesn't like joy division's Nazi name. Finds it disgusting. Finds new order very pretentious. Thinks they're going in.

Missy - was torn about her cause he doesn't like her music aside from rain and work it but loves her music videos. Ultimately didn't pick her but regrets it cause he thinks she's very important

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 15:08pm


I have made it to 2022 for Covering Previous classes. I am figuring on Reviews of Duran D, Eurythmics and Eminem. I kinda knew Eminem would Not be the headliner. He missed for that. The world is Not ready for a Rap act to headline. Somebody more friendly to older adults is Dolly Parton. I do realize MUCH more attention goes to Curren in predictions. Hey when I'm done with 2022 class I'm up to 2023 class. Which hasn't happened. Yet

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 16:28pm


Ben,

When you're done covering the 2022 inductees and before you get back to 2023 predictions, I think I'll come on here and congratulate you on 30 years of being a Rock Hall watcher and I will thank you for being my friend on here for the past 5-6 years and I will also tell you that you were my first friend on here when I joined the Rock Hall watcher and FRL community in 2017 for the 2018 class/nominees, so I think I'll come on here when you're done covering the 2022 class and before you get back to 2023 predictions and congratulate you on 30 years of being a Rock Hall watcher and I will thank you for being my friend on here for the past 5-6 years and I will also tell you that you were my first friend on here when I joined the Rock Hall and FRL community in 2017 for the 2018 class/nominees as well. That's the plan/deal.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 16:55pm


My predictions are as follows.

1. Kate Bush
2. Cyndi Lauper
3. George Michael
4. Willie Nelson
5. Missy Elliott
6. Soundgarden
7. Warren Zevon

Potential spoilers: Joy Division/New Order, Sheryl Crow, A Tribe Called Quest and The White Stripes.

Richie before you ask I don't have any predictions for the side categories.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 17:39pm


Greg F,

I agree with all of your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) except Kate Bush as a Performer, I just don't see Kate getting in as a Performer with the current voting body/committee, I think that Sheryl Crow is far more likely to get in this year than Kate Bush as a Performer, I see Kate getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

Anyway, My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush
Chaka Khan

Early Influence:

DJ Kool Herc
Big Mama Thornton

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Thom Bell

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 18:30pm


Richie, I have no idea now. I think if there are two awarded in Ahmet Ertegun award, then there will be two awarded in musical excellence and early influence. If there are zero awarded in Ahmet Ertegun award, there will be three awarded in musical excellence and early influence. You can see it in 2021 and 2022. Hence, it will make it more complex to predict future hall of famers. I would like to know more about business men in music industry and make prediction then.

Posted by power on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 20:00pm


Generally speaking, there will be 6-7 inducted in side categories each year in total after Greg Harris being the new operator of the rock hall.

Posted by power on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 20:03pm


Power,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and What are your revised predictions for the 2024-2028 nominees and the 2024-2028 inductees (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 20:16pm


Mat r,

Gonna try and guess who that voter could be. If they knew Zevon they had to be involved in California, and like you said an old white backing guy. It kinda sounds like Steve cropper but I don't think he was an LA guy. I wanna guess maybe Kriger or dens more but I feel like they'd be hard to contact. Maybe a grateful dead member? Wait a minute, I'm typing this in real time, it might be Chris stein? Sounds like him a bit. And he's a New Yorker, he knows Cyndi Lauper. Would also add up as to hating the JD/NO names bc Stein is Jewish

Posted by Will M on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 22:32pm


My main prediction in 2023 as of now is about the same with Richie.

Performers:
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
Burt Bacharach (He died recently, he is a very influential songwriter and it may be his year to be inducted)

Early Influence:
DJ Kool Herc
Big Mama Thornton


Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Thom Bell

I doubt if the show in the hall indicates the induction. Depeche Mode is also shown by the hall in 2017 if my memory serves well and it was not inducted in that year. I would like to rethink about the potential induction an rethink about the situation of Chaka Chan and Crow.

Posted by power on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 22:51pm


Power,

Depeche Mode wasn't shown by the Rock Hall in 2017, so Please don't rethink about Sheryl Crow and Chaka Khan, Please keep them in your predictions for the 2023 inductees. Thank You.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 23:03pm


Power,

What are your revised predictions for the 2024-2028 nominees and the 2024-2028 inductees (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 23:03pm


Will M

I'll say this it's not Stein. I did interact with him about this but he would only say he voted for Rage.

I'll also name another person it isn't which is Rick Byrd. I did an interview with him very recently which is coming out soon so I don't want anyone thinking it's him.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 23:06pm


Power,

Also, I forgot to say this regarding Sheryl Crow and Chaka Khan, The Hall's been pushing for more women to get inducted, so I really want you to keep them in your predictions for the 2023 inductees because of that, Please don't rethink about Sheryl and Chaka, Please keep them in your predictions for the 2023 inductees. Thank You.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/27/2023 @ 23:34pm


richie, if he wants to change his opinions, that's fine I think his list is a little too close to your choices honestly

On that note==my take on the Eurythmics

Dave Stewart and Annie Lennox are 2 of music's most successful figures and influential side people. Together, they made magic. Whereas most music duos are singers that complement each other, Annie's piercing deep vocals and Dave's haunting guitar and keyboards give a unique sound that is central to the new wave movement through the early to mid 80s. It was different, it was eclectic and it was awesome. I think they belong in the RRHOF not just for their worthy contributions and discography, as much as their names being synonymous with greatness far beyond their band. Many times, the Hall inducts acts on the strength of one member of the group, like Brian Eno. It was too easy for this one. I had them predicted all through the nomination phase last year on the strength of Cleveland wanting Dave and Annie for their total package. It appears I was on the right track. And, this is why I see Joy Division/New Order on the same track. Forgive me for going off the beaten path for just a moment. When it all comes down to it, the Eurythmics belong. Sweet Dreams Are Made of This, Here Comes the Rain Again, and Missionary Man emanate new age, new wave and new sound (up to the point they came out that is).

Next up for me: Carly Simon

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 03:56am


Mat R,

Im Not done with 2022 class yet. I want to pause for a minute.
You say there is an all girl group nominated in the last decade. That's the Go-Gos. which is part of the cause of the gross number of men over women inducted but Wait there very few all girl groups in music. The Bangles is the only other viable one. A single woman has been given the AME and she got it as part of a group with like 8 guys. Who the heck is that? The hall is catching Up.
To connect to my coverage of 2022 class there is plenty of Women last year 2022. There is Carly Simon, Eurythmics featuring Annie Lennox and Dolly Parton that's coming up. How do you like that ONE? Respond

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 04:16am


Mat, I certainly think they should be nominated. It's just that when you see the list of tremendous acts that have never been nominated that you think that.

Will note they have not been inducted into our Future Rock Hall thing and that's up thru 2038 now.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 05:36am


Richie, if not 2017, Depeche Mode is shown in rock hall before 2020 and before their induction. I have seen the information from FRL or other sites before and some people criticized the hall just used depeche mode to promote themselves but not inducted the band.

As of now, I will maintain my prediction in 2023. Nevertheless, I think this year is more obscure and the final inductions will have 1-2 artists different from our prediction. Mary J. Blige is also very friendly with the hall and has good sales as well, and may have higher criticism than Crow. What is more, she have inducted Nina Simone in 2018. She failed at her first try. I think the chance of Crow is not very solid.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 05:44am


I think I should make prediction for 2024 after this year's induction is leaked in May.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 05:45am


I think Lenny Kravitz may also have a chance to be inducted.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 05:46am


Mat r,

Ricky was another guess of mine. Frehley or Criss just came to mind but like the surviving doors i feel like theyd be hard to contact. i considered the e street band but i feel like theyd all love zevon bc Bruce and Stevie do. could also be steve boone and joe butler from the lovin spoonful. i dont have a solid certain guess. could also be someone whos not a big name, and ive failed to consider all the sidemen

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 07:10am


Ben

Are you asking could have been nominated in the last decade in addition to the Gogos? Cause the marvellettes were in like 2014 and I think 15 but haven't been back. Also Salt-N-Pepa and tlc sold better than the go-gos the bangles did so did the spice girls, an act that like blink is proving more influential every year. There's the shang gra las or bikini kill, who are crazy influential, and the pointer sisters. Can't forget female majority groups like hole.

All those are likely at the least worth a shot and the biggest hurdle is how the hall has been set up but again you could early influence induct like 3 of them.

Also Patti and yea there were 4 women dominant acts inducted making it the majority but there were 9 male performers inducted which is more than double the number of female.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 07:14am


K-Dawg,

To chat a bit about the Eurythmics. I have never followed or owned much on Eurythmics. NOT Sweet Dreams but Here Comes the Rain and Missionary Man are Ok. The only tune I own is Would I Lie to You. These are fitting for a guy like me that grew up with acts from Allman Brothers Band, Gr Dead and Fleetwood Mac to AC/DC, Van Halen, Talking Heads, Tom Petty, Don Henley, Phil Collins, , john Mellencamp, Dire Straits, Bruce Hornsby and Billy Idol. I got several 80s favs there. I simply heard some Eurythmics on the radio. NOT a fan. BUT but I had them predicted all through the nomination phase last year on the strength of Cleveland wanting Dave and Annie L for the whole duo also. NOT a fan But they do belong in the Hall. Personally I am more excited about the JD/New Order pick this year. I am diverse. NOT like other Classic/Old rockers

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 07:56am


Power,

but I have to respectfully disagree with you on Sheryl Crow's chances this year, I think that she has a very solid chance of getting in this year especially because she is a longtime friend of the Rock Hall and she inducted Pat Benatar and performed for Dolly Parton at last year's induction ceremony, and appearing at the previous induction ceremony the year before helped Joan Jett (She performed with the surviving members of Nirvana during their induction at the 2014 induction ceremony and got nominated and inducted the following year in 2015), Nine Inch Nails (Trent Reznor inducted The Cure at the 2019 induction ceremony and Nine Inch Nails got nominated and inducted the following year in 2020), Eminem (He performed with LL Cool J during his induction at the 2021 induction ceremony and got nominated and inducted FYE the following year in 2022) and Lionel Richie (He inducted Clarence Avant at the 2021 induction ceremony and got nominated and inducted the following year in 2022), plus she has an exhibit at the museum that just opened last week on March 23 called Soak Up The Sun: The Music of Sheryl Crow, so yeah, I think that she has a very solid chance of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 08:57am


Eminem

I am quite Out of bounds with Eminem. Friends say its a Gen thing. I am 58. I think its accurate that lots of 58 year olds do NOT know Eminem. I didnt say alll. NOT me. I have read for years about Eminem but NO listening. I have had NO children so Nobody was super young to play me or my fiancee any. The odds are 5 out of 6 friends in their 50s wont know much about Eminem. A few know hip Hop acts like Run DMC, Public Enemy and MC Hammer. Nope NOT Eminem. But there is one 62 year old friend who liked some hits of Eminem. It was the only Rap act she knew about. After that I played some Eminem hits. I did know one since 1999. MY Name Is

After the release of his debut album Infinite (1996) and the extended play Slim Shady EP (1997), Eminem signed with Dr. Dre's Aftermath Entertainment and subsequently achieved mainstream popularity in 1999 with The Slim Shady LP. His next two releases, The Marshall Mathers LP (2000) and The Eminem Show (2002), were worldwide successes. After the release of his next album, Encore (2004), Eminem went on hiatus in 2005, largely due to some kind of drug addiction. He returned to the music industry four years later with the release of Relapse (2009) and Recovery was released the following year. Recovery was the biggest album worldwide of 2010, In the following years, he released the US number one albums The Marshall Mathers LP 2 (2013) among others.

I am much more suited for a review of Rod Stewart, Steely Dan, Talking Heads, REM, Guns n Roses, Earth, Wind & Fire, Bill Withers, Radiohead Chicago, etc etc. NOT Eminem. I had him predicted all through that phase because he is such a star. This prediction was spot on. Eminem
Eminem was inducted into the RNR HALL of Fame last year 2022. Ok K-Dawg you are a lot younger get to Eminem pleaaaase after Carly Simon. I know and love Carly Simon. But after its Eminem!!

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/28/2023 @ 09:11am




Ok. I have come to the headliner for the 2022 Ceremony. The Halll always chooses a traditional more universal act to close a ceremony.

Dolly Parton

She is like Musical royalty. Dolly Parton is very talented. She didnt even want to accept the has nomination because she is Not rock. But the Hall goes with many genres. Soo hey they may as well include Country. Heyy I like the sounds of some Country music. Years back the great Johnny Cash was inducted. I think Dolly is the first Country act inducted since Johnny. Dolly Parton is a huge Country music star who has expanded to other genres. She has gone somewhat beyond country but NOT actuallly Rock.

Dolly Parton was not only inducted she was made the Headliner. She is an American singer-songwriter, actress, and businesswoman, known primarily for her decades-long career in country music. After achieving success as a songwriter for others, Parton made her album debut in 1967 with Hello, I'm Dolly, which led to success during the remainder of the 1960s . before her sales and chart peak came during the 1970s and continued into the 1980s. Parton's albums in the 1990s did not sell as well, but she achieved commercial success again in the new millennium and has released albums on various independent labels since 2000, including her own label, Dolly Records.

With a career spanning over fifty years, Dolly P has been described as a "country music legend" and has sold more than 100 million records worldwide, making her one of the best-selling female artists of all time. Dolly's music includes many awards. She has had 25 singles reach no. 1 on the Billboard country music charts, a record for a female artist (tied with Reba McEntire). She has 44 Top 10 country albums in her career, a record for any artist, and she has 110 career-charted singles over the past 40 years. She has composed over 3,000 songs. One of her most famous is Jolene. All her songs also include I Will Always Love You. 2 other good songs are Coat of Many Colors and 9 to 5. Dolly has also been an actress starring in 9 to 5 and Best Little Whorehouse in Texas as well as Rhinestone (1984), Steel Magnolias (1989), Straight Talk (1992) and Joyful Noise (2012}.

She has received many awards. Having like 5 Academy of Country Music awards, As well as a bunch of Academy of Music awards and People's Choice awards. in 1999 she was inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame. In 2022 she was nominated and then Inducted for the RNR Hall of Fame. Not only was she inducted she closed the Ceremony. She is an elegant and high class performer. It's not that surprising. I am glad she headlined NOT Eminem. Pink inducted Dolly Parton. And Dolly Parton sang a few of her hits bringing the House down. A bunch of the inductees did a Group sing of Jolene.
It did end with Bruce Springsteen and John Mellencamp doing a duet of Jerry Lee Lewis Great Balls of Fire. Jerry Lee Lewis recently died. Thats why. He is a legend before my time.
That's it. 2022 is Done. Thats the 2020-2022 classes. GO do those reviews!

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 03:35am


Carly Simon is an artist who was overlooked by many during this last nomination cycle, but it wasn't hard to see why she was inducted. Her song "You're So Vain" is literally one of the most popular and enduring of the last 5 decades. The RRHOF has been on a crusade to get all these seminal female singer-songwriters in, and after Joan Baez, Joni Mitchell and Carole King had gone in, there was little doubt they were angling to complete this exclusive pantheon. It doesn't complete any 70s genre left unexplored, but it does put a talented soul on the same level with her peers.

It's harder to come up with more about her for me, as I appreciate a couple of her songs, and I do consider her a more talented singer and lyricist than her husband of so many years, James Taylor. Suffice to say, she belongs

Eminem will be next, as per Ben's request

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 06:04am


K-Dawg,

That's very nice with Carly Simon. Yeah You're So Vain is one of the most famous songs of the last 50 years. Thats my main favorite for me to. BUT my experience of living during the 1970s may have given me better coverage. I also Love Anticipation, Haven't got Time for the Pain, Nobody Does it Better. In some cases she is better than J Taylor. She certainly belongs. Its my wife's favorite artist of alll time. NOT my favorite of all time. My top favs are more rock like the Who, Stones, Gr Dead and Pink Floyd etc. BUT I love my share of singer-songwriters. Excellent. Do the Emniem job. How old are ya anyway? NOT many super young dig Carly Simon. I will read and learn about Eminem from You. Something you may NOT know is Carly Simon had a song used in a Ketchup commercial when I was 8. Thats 1973

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 06:58am


Here are my Ratings for the 2022 Class. Sometimes I give an A even if I don't like them a lot.
This way some Later R&b and the Rap can get rated higher. I grew up with alll Rock and some Veryy old R&b. I like all kinds of music anyway. NOT every act ever. OK

Pat Benatar- A: I forgot to mention a few days ago that Pat is another woman that dominated at the 2022 Ceremony. She was one of the first big stars of the 80s. She has a bunch of good albums that sold well.

Duran Duran- A: Duran Duran were one of the most popular groups during the 1980s. They had a lot of hits and were a leading new wave group

Eminem-A: He is one of the key stars of Modern time. He has a lot of huge selling albums in the 2000s. Despite lots of vulgarity he is a worldwide star. One of the biggest Rap acts ever

Eurythmics-B: Key group of the 80s. They are a duo that did very well during the 80s. Annie Lennox gives extra representation of Women in the RnR Hall.

Dolly Parton-A: She is one of the most known celebrities of all time. He main success is in Country music BUT she expanded to other genres. Has won tons of awards. She is NOT rock but deserves it

Lionel Richie-A: He is very talented. One of the best ballad singers of all time. He has done good R&b and Pop. He deserve it


Musical Excellence:

Jimmy Jam and Ted Lewis-B+ Some of the best producers of all time. Became most famous as the producers of Janet Jackson

Judas Priest-A One of the biggest heavy metal bands of all time. They had a bunch of heavy albums in the 1970s and became Heavy metal stars in the 80s.

Early Influence:

Harry Belafonte-B+

Elizabeth Cotten-B+
Carly Simon- A: One of the finest singer-Songwriters of all time. Good representation of singer-songwriter. Coming after Joni Mitchell, James Taylor and Carole King
Carly Simon had lots of hits in 1970s and 80s

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 08:05am


Ben,

You forgot to do Jimmy Iovine and Sylvia Robinson, who received the Ahmet Ertegun Award along with Allan Grubman last year in covering the 2022 class. Please do those two.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 08:46am


Ben,

You also forgot to do Clarence Avant who received the Ahmet Ertegun Award in 2021 in covering the 2021 class, Please do that one too.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 09:28am


richie,

Ahhh that's right.
Did you notice Allan Grubman?
I did That one

Ok Ok I will go back and do those. I skipped them to save time. Sorry I'll do those later

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 14:44pm


Anybody else love how much Courtney Love has been blasting the Rock Hall for the past few weeks? But I guess the chance of Hole being nominated went to 0%.

Posted by Xwing1212 on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 14:47pm


Also is the Rock Hall moving away from inducting classic rock acts? Sure we get artists like Todd Rundgren and Warren Zevon nominated to scratch that itch, but it seems like the Rock Hall is moving away from classic rock and moving forward by nominating 80s MTV artists.

In a sense that kind of sucks because I would love to see Jethro Tull, The Guess Who, and Bad Company get in. Ian Anderson, Burton Cummings, Randy Bachman, and Paul Rodgers absolutely deserve enshrinement and I would think they would do well if put on a ballot.

Posted by Xwing1212 on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 15:01pm


Mat R,

Thanks for your thoughtful responses. A few observations. My point about about Don Henley was not that he deserves induction, he doesn't,
but that on a purely objective basis he is as qualified as Nicks, if not more so.
To your point regarding her iconicity and image, these are valid observations.
However, they are largely an extension of her role in Fleetwood Mac. Her "witch queen" persona dates to Rhiannon, so she is already deservedly enshrined for that. I admit that
I am not a fan of dual inductions unless like Gabriel or Neil Young it is clearly a career that deviates significantly from the original group.

Stevie Nicks solo is largely more of the same FMac and LA session rock.
As far as sampling interesting that the most sampled of her solo work is actually a guitar riff by Waddy Wachtel, she doesn't play it in spite of what the Bootylicious video shows.

As to Morrissey, I am not aware that he is banned, and the Smiths have been nominated, so perhaps you can enlighten me as to the source of that comment.
The Hall has taken bands that have trashed them before (Sex Pistols, Airplane)

Lastly, please don't misunderstand me, there are plenty of women who belong. But, like it or not, the Hall currently largely reflects the period from 1955-1980,
and during that time women were a very small part of rock and roll. The 10% number is not misrepresentative of their impact. And I understand that a lot of sexism and glass ceiling issues
contributed to this, but that was how it was.
I think Fanny is criminally overlooked, and the Pleasure Seekers deserve at least a look. The Quatro sisters are way more important than say the Bangles.
I am completely supportive of Bjork, P J Harvey, Kate Bush, Sonic Youth, Pixies, Melissa Etheridge and many others. But the era they represent is only just getting started in terms of recognition. I mean George Michael, a hugely influential and successful figure, is only now getting a nomination.
it is interesting that artists like Olivia Newton-John actually had AOR or underground credibility in their day, but that seems to have evaporated.

Anyway, I appreciate your comments and thoughts. I suspect we are largely on same page except for Nicks! And I am glad you agree with me on Shangri-Las and Salt-and-Pepa

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 16:08pm


Ok I will do the acts I forgot.
In 2021

Ahmet Ertegun Award

Clarence Avant


Clarence Avant (born February 25, 1931) is an American music executive, entrepreneur, and film producer, who also went by the name of "The Black Godfather".
He is important In the music business.

He ran Venture Records and Sussex Records. I don't know much. I googled this to know
In September 1973, Paramount Pictures released Save the Children, with Avant serving as executive producer. Filmed at the Operation PUSH Black Expo in Chicago, the production mixed performances of top black entertainers with footage depicting blacks, especially children, in various conditions, including war-ravaged and malnourished refugees. The film premiered at the Apollo Theater in Harlem.
Lionel Richie inducted Clarance Avant. With a nice speech

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 16:54pm


Every core member of Iron Maiden is still alive and still tours. They could very easily perform at the ceremony and many people would consider them the headliners if they did. In terms of album sales and touring longevity and success they beat the other nominees or blow them out of the water.

I'd headline it with Iron Maiden and have them perform and then do
Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper
A Tribe Called Quest
Rage Against the Machine
Joy Division/New Order
Kate Bush

Posted by Franco on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 17:11pm


In 2022

Ahmet Ertegun Award

Jimmy Iovine is a very known ptoducer.


Prior to the Apple acquisition of Beats in 2014, Iovine became chairman of Interscope-Geffen-A&M, an umbrella unit merged by the then-newly-reincarnated Universal Music Group in 1999.By 1973, Iovine was on staff at the New York studio the Record Plant where he worked on Springsteen's Born to Run and Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell albums. He came to prominence through his work on the 1978 Patti Smith album Easter. He teamed with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers on Damn the Torpedoes and U2 on Rattle and Hum. Iovine also produced Bella Donna (the first solo album for Stevie Nicks), Making Movies for Dire Straits, and Get Close for The Pretenders

By 1973, Iovine was on staff at the New York studio the Record Plant,[14] where he worked on Springsteen's Born to Run and Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell albums. He came to prominence via his work on the 1978 Patti Smith album Easter, which included her Top 40 hit "Because the Night". He teamed with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers on Damn the Torpedoes and U2 on Rattle and Hum. Iovine also produced Bella Donna (the first solo album for Stevie Nicks), Making Movies for Dire Straits, and Get Close for The Pretenders

In 1990 he formed Interscope Records. Iovine signed Tupac Shakur to a recording contract as one of the first hip-hop acts on the Interscope label in 1991. He certainly gets around.

Sylvia Robinson

Robinson is credited as the driving force behind two landmark singles in the hip hop genre: "Rapper's Delight" (1979) by the Sugarhill Gang,[9] and "The Message" (1982) by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, both of which she produced. Several publications have dubbed her as "The Mother of Hip Hop". I don't know this person very well. I am not that knowledgeable on Hip hop. She has received a few awards and in 2022, she was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the Ahmet Ertegun Award.

Ok those are the ones I forgot, And thats's about it I may close things up for conclusion

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 19:03pm


Ben,

Before you get back to 2023 predictions, I just wanted to say congratulations on 30 years of being a Rock Hall watcher, 30 years is such a long time to be a Rock Hall watcher, This year is your 30th anniversary of being a Rock Hall watcher, so I just wanted to congratulate you on your 30th anniversary of being a Rock Hall watcher, You were my first friend on here when I joined the Rock Hall watcher and FRL community in 2017 when the 2018 nominees were announced and I followed the Rock Hall every year before that since about 2012 when the 2013 nominees were announced and when the fan vote started, but I started to really get hooked on the Rock Hall in 2015 when the 2016 nominees were announced (The first year that Classic Rock dominated the nomination list and then the inductees list), and then I officially joined the Rock Hall watcher and FRL community in 2017 when the 2018 nominees were announced and You were my first friend on here, You have been on here for almost 9 years since 2014 just before the 2015 nominees were announced and I have been on here for almost 5 and a half years since 2017 when the 2018 nominees were announced, so I just wanted to say thank you for being my oldest friend, my good friend and my friend on here for the past 5-6 years, You helped me and my mom when FRL kicked me off the first time in 2017 for posting too many comments on here on the 2018 nominees page, You supported me and sent your thoughts and prayers to me and my family when My Nana passed away on January 16 of this year and My Mom was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer last year, so I just wanted to thank you for 30 years of being a Rock Hall watcher and for being my first friend, my oldest friend, my good friend and my friend on here for the past 5-6 years since 2017. Thank You Ben and Have a great night...

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 19:41pm


Souljah

I actually think we agree on Nicks

I just get why it happened

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 03/29/2023 @ 20:46pm


Stevie Nicks' induction was a pointless lip service that took away a spot from a more deserving artist. Maybe Pat Benatar gets that slot instead a couple years earlier, and Mariah Carey or Mary J. Blige slides in at that spot. If the RRHOF wants another rocker chick, maybe it goes to Tori Amos or Fiona Apple.

She's at the top of my list of least worthy inductees. She has a couple fantastic songs, but the bulk of her influence falls within Fleetwood Mac. Mick Jagger has some awesome solo songs too, but he's not inducted outside of the Stones, per se...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 03/30/2023 @ 01:48am


richie,
my knowledge
That's very nice to say. Thank you for your kind words. First I want to close up 2022 and this endeavor by saying it seems like there was 2 All Star Jams. The Jolene Jam with Pat Benatar, Rob Halford, Simon le Bon and Sherl Crow joining Dolly Parton. There was also the Jam of Whole Lotta Shakin with John Mellencamp and Bruce Springsteen in tribuo Jerry Lee Lewis, I watched this whole ceremony on HBO Max. It's one of the best Ceremonies in awhile. The Best one since 2018. my

This was a nice endeavor with 2020-2022. You and others wanted me too. You did NOT participate even though you sugggested it. It's a chance to show my knowledge, extra facts a la Google and Musical tastes. I'm glad I was your first friend on here after you joined the Rock Hall watcher and FRL community several years ago, Now I followed the Rock Hall every year before since about 1993 when the 1994 nominees were announced. Now I started to really get hooked on the Rock Hall in 1998. It's the one with Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles and then I officially joined the Rock Hall watcher and FRL community in 2014. I have been on here for almost 9 years since 2014 just before the 2015 nominees were announced and No problem being your oldest friend, and your friend on here for the past 5-6 years, You helped me and my mom when FRL kicked me off the first time in 2017 for posting too many comments on here on the 2018 nominees page, Yeah I kinda supported you and sent your thoughts and prayers to me and my family when you Grandma passed away on January 16 of . this year. I just want to clear something up. You say 2016 was the first year with the Classic rock nominees. I am Not sure that's accurate. 1995-1999 had sooo many Classic nominees and inductees, Like Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney and well also Dusty Springfield. You may not know her. Ohh yeah she is NOT really classic rock. Dusty Springfield is soft music. Just clarify about 2016 and Your Welcome. Just one favor. Its not good to beg people to change opinion. That's my one tip. I have never begged someone to change an opinion or list Thanks

Posted by Ben tribu on Thursday, 03/30/2023 @ 03:22am


Ben,

Thank you for replying back to me, It sure means a lot to me, and yeah, It's not good to beg people to change their opinion, You have never begged someone to change a opinion or list, but I just wanted to say one thing about this year: I think you really shouldn't abstain from picking Cyndi Lauper in your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again), I think that you're really underestimating Cyndi's chances this year and I think you really should seriously consider adding her to your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and taking Joy Division/New Order out of your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again), The ceremony's back in New York (her home state) this year at Barclays Center in Brooklyn (Her birth place) and we all know that she'll sell tickets to the ceremony and there is an 80's MTV trend going on right now with The Go-Go's getting in in 2021 and Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and Eurythmics getting in last year in 2022 and also, There is a very good chance that she'll take back 1st place in the fan vote and she'll win the fan vote in the end over George Michael, so I think that you really shouldn't abstain from picking Cyndi in your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and I think you really should seriously consider adding her to your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and taking Joy Division/New Order out of your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) because of that. As much as I love JD/NO, I think that you're way overestimating their chances this year, I just think that they are too British, too Alternative, too Eurocentric, too niche and too underground to get in right away with the current voting body/committee, plus they just didn't have the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America that other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts did, so I see them struggling with voters and having a really hard time getting voted in because of that. I'm not begging you to do that, I just really want you to do that for me. Thank You.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/30/2023 @ 09:33am


K dawg

Oh yea that was a dumb induction and nomination. Like if you want her into solo just do what you did with Ringo cause it was literally inducting an icon to have an icon in the class. The difference was they didn't waste a performer spot with Ringo.

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 03/30/2023 @ 13:05pm


richie,

As much as I love Joy Division/New Order, I see them getting in this year. Their influence is unbelievably huge in today's landscape, and they stand a far better shot than INXS and the B-52s at this point because they WERE nominated, like Duran Duran, they have had critical success and chart toppers just as well as anyone. I see them getting in this year.

Tried to phrase it his way for a change ;)

Ben, you are the elder statesman on this board in terms of being the one constant regular that I remember when I first came on these forums, not due to any advanced age. To answer your question, I am in my early 40s. So, I remember both classic rock and the advent of rap; these are my generations, as well as being a student of music past present, and future. I salute ya

Yes, I'll get to Eminem soon

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 03/30/2023 @ 13:10pm


K-Dawg,

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Kate Bush
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon

Because of what happened with Radiohead in 2018, I just have a really hard time seeing The White Stripes getting in FYE this year especially if Radiohead couldn't back in 2018, so I see them getting the Radiohead Effect/treatment and I think that they will wait a year just like Radiohead did and they'll get in next year in 2024 on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did back in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/30/2023 @ 13:21pm


Here's a Quick 20 KING Music Artists I'd like to see Inducted next 5-10 Years.
1. Alice In Chains
2. Counting Crows
3. Jewel
4. Scorpions
5. TLC
6. Black Crowes
7. Mariah Carey
8. Kool & The Gang
9. Queensryche
10. The Sonics
11. John Denver
12. Alabama
13. Megadeth
14. Lenny Kravitz
15. The Guess Who
16. Phil Collins
17. Diana Ross
18. Motley Crue
19. INXS
20. Husker Du

Plenty of other artists that I'd also like to see inducted.
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 03/30/2023 @ 14:23pm


Mat R,

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
Kate Bush (Musical Excellence)

Because of what happened with Radiohead back in 2018, I just have a really hard time seeing The White Stripes getting in this year FYE especially if Radiohead couldn't do it back in 2018, so I see them getting the Radiohead Effect/treatment and I think that they will wait a year just like Radiohead did and they'll get in next year in 2024 on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did back in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/30/2023 @ 16:23pm


My prediction is almost the same with Richie. Nevertheless, I see the final result will have 1-2 different inductees. This class is obscure than we think.

K-Dawg, yes, the nomination committee seems to have JD/NO as higher priority than the B-52's and possible INXS despite the rumors that the B-52's is going to be nominated in 2023. I think if this year JD/NO is not in, they will give JD/NO once more chance to have a try and JD/NO may in with a weaker class in the next year.

Posted by power on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 02:27am


K-Dawg,

I dig that comment of elder statesman. Not because of age I agree. I started here in late 2014. My Parents were still alive I remember. My dear old Daddy said it was modern forum for MY Rock n'Roll. My Dad NEVER went past Elvis and the Diamond. So Rock is really all me and the next Generation. If you take key Who and Gr Dead albums as a base. My Parents music is 30 years before that. Do the Math 30 years before 1974-1978 is 1944-1948. You can figure out the rest.

On a lighter note to start shifting back to 2023 and the prediction. I agree with you that JD/ New Order. Here is a twist As much as I only like a feww songs, I see them getting in this year. LOL. The reason is they were nominated. Uh duh. I think richie is a nice person but simply wrong. I am NOT an Electronic fan but I danced to New Order hits at parties during 1985-1988. Huge party years for me. You can;t dance to Bob Dylan and Allman Brothers B.

Me I remember both Classic rock when it was happening and the advent of New wave. Hey I think richie folded and realized Jd/New Order have importance. I had to look twice he now includes them.

I think the 2023 Inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliot
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 04:01am


Ben,

I think that you're really underestimating Cyndi Lauper's chances and overestimating Joy Division/New Order's chances this year, I think that you really shouldn't abstain from picking Cyndi in your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and I think that you really should seriously consider adding her to your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and taking Joy Division/New Order out of your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again), The ceremony's back in New York (her home state) this year at Barclays Center in Brooklyn (Her birth place) and we all know that she'll sell tickets to the ceremony and there is an 80's MTV trend going on right now with The Go-Go's getting in in 2021 and Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and Eurythmics getting in last year in 2022, so I think that you really shouldn't abstain from picking Cyndi in your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and I think that you really should seriously consider adding her to your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and taking Joy Division/New Order out of your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) because of that. As much as I love JD/NO, I think that you're way overestimating their chances this year, I just think that they are too British, too Electronic, too Alternative, too Eurocentric, too niche and too underground to get in right away with the current voting body/committee, plus they just didn't have the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America that other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts did, so I see them struggling with voters and having a really hard time getting voted in because of that. I'm not begging you to do that, I just really want you to do that for me. Thank You.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 08:56am


Mat R, K-Dawg,

Agree on Stevie Nicks. They needed an icon they got one. And Ringo was a terrible choice. I don't think George Harrison belongs solo either and I am on the fence regarding Lennon. He is hard to evaluate due to his early death. My guesses for 2023:

Willie Nelson -- An absolute lock. He gets the Dolly vote, the stoner vote, the jam band vote and the singer/songwriter vote. Plus he is still alive
Missy Elliott -- Highly likely. Checks all the boxes (female, hip-hop/rap, black) plus she rocks pretty good, more so than Mary J Blige. And I think Blige belongs.
Kate Bush -- Come on folks, let's get her in finally. I think she get Musical Excellence if nothing else.
Warren Zevon -- Gets the classic rock vote. Not sure I would pick him, I don't see what he brings that J. J. Cale, Harry Chapin, Gordon Lightfoot, Townes Van Zandt or a bunch of others don't bring, but he probably is in.
Joy Division/New Order -- Since both bands are qualified on their own this would seem to be a slam dunk two-fer. But the Hall has surprised before.
Sheryl Crow -- I wouldn't vote for her (ranks around 800 on Acclaimed Music) but she is popular with the insiders, attractive and will sell tickets and get viewers.
George Michael -- His accomplishments are enormous, but he may lose some votes for his work with Wham! Which was still very good stuff.



Iron Maiden may get the Judas Priest treatment if Kate Bush gets the votes
White Stripes if they take eight or they get two ME awards.
Again, these are my guesses, not my preferences. In all honesty all the candidates are pretty good choices this year.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 08:57am


Power,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Burt Bacharach
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan

Early Influence:

DJ Kool Herc
Big Mama Thornton

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Thom Bell

What do you think?. and Also, Which acts do you have as Wild Cards/Dark Horses/potential spoilers this year as well?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 09:00am


Hey Guys,

Are any of you guys a Country Music fan?. because I have got some Hall of Fame news to tell you guys:

In other Hall of Fame news:

The 2023 Country Music Hall of Fame inductees will be announced this Monday, April 3 at 10am CT and hosted by Vince Gill.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 09:13am


Soulja

.......hold on. How is Lennon hard to evaluate? He released 8 studio albums, all of which were hits and deeply influential, and recorded several of the most iconic songs ever, that are still widely played and covered. He's like the most no brainer hall of famer possible.

If he's hard to evaluate cause he died at 40 then what about Cobain, Tupac, gaye, Morrison, and buddy? All died young and had their deaths create myths about them much like Lennon.

Like I think there's strong arguments for all the Beatles to go in solo but that Lennon comment makes zero sense to me. I'm very confused.

Also I'm 50/50 on Missy and jd/no but those are fair picks.




Side note: a lot are picking Chaka this year as AME and I get why but there is a massive issue with it in that she isn't a nominee. Nile, ll, and priest were all nominees that year they were given it, suggesting a jury prize rather than just an award for celebrity. What do you all think?

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 10:22am


Like to explain the Chaka thing a little more

She seems more inline with say Kraftwerk and the 5 Royals than Priest, LL, or Nile. Now yes the Hall has been weird withE Early Influence but there does seem to be more of a pattern for her going there due to recent years than AME atm, cause it really seems they want a nominee to get that in addition to a sideman/producer.

Thoughts?

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 10:34am


Richie, I think you should predict 6-7 in side category. In 2021 there were 7 and in 2022 there were 6.

Posted by power on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 12:09pm


Mat R,

Good comments, and maybe my ambivalence around Lennon stems from me being an old guy! I remember the first three experimental albums, and if anyone else had released them they would have been ignored. Or so I felt at the time. :-) "Imagine" is of course a classic, and the Plastic Ono Band album was also important. "Mind Games" seemed like a partial album at the time. I admit I didn't think much of "Double Fantasy" when it came out, it seemed to get more attention only after he died. And "Milk and Honey" was incomplete as well. I really have no problem with Lennon in the Hall, but I have trouble separating his importance from his Beatles career. Again, maybe my age is showing. And in fairness, Acclaimed Music ranks him 48 all time, which, as you say, is an HOF no-brainer.

As far as Chaka, I think she belongs and would like to see her as a nominee, she and Rufus should go in as a two-fer, same as JD/NO, Faces/Small Faces, Parliament(s)/Funkadelic. She is way more qualified than a lot of current members. If she gets Musical Excellence I guess it is OK. I can't see Early Influence, as their brand of funk/soul was pretty mainstream when they were at their peak.

Anyway, thanks for your comments, I appreciate the thoughts.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 12:49pm


Power,

I'm predicting 6 inductees in the side categories this year. Also, There were 6 inductees in the Performers category and 7 inductees in the side categories in 2021 and 7 inductees in the Performers category and 7 inductees in the side categories last year in 2022. so I think that there will be 7 inductees in the Performers category and 6 inductees in the side categories this year in 2023. In addition, What are your predictions for the 2024-2028 nominees and the 2024-2028 inductees (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 13:01pm


In other HOF news, the WWE announces theirs tonight...

Rey Mysterio
Stacey Kiebler
Tim White
The Great Muta
Andy Kaufman

Low key list if you know your wrestling

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 15:50pm


Really small list this year, but Wrestlemania is now two days so having this class so small makes sense in time length.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 17:20pm


Mat R,

What is a JURY prize?

I do agree that Chaka Khan can be EARLY INFLUENCE. It's been extended EARLY 70s. She goes back that far. I think she was back up singer for a Bunch of acts wayyy back 50 years.
But ii do NOT agree enough to change my PICKS
I will have recall who I picked
Ohh it's BIG MAMA THORNTON
and the Spinners. I'll keep those
MAYBE NEXT year for CHAKA KHAN

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 18:18pm


Here's the current vote totals in the 2023 public ballot tracker so far from 14 public ballots and they are:

At 57.14% of the vote and on 8 ballots so far are Cyndi Lauper and Willie Nelson.
At 42.86% of the vote and on 6 ballots so far are Soundgarden and A Tribe Called Quest.
At 35.71% of the vote and on 5 ballots so far are Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, The Spinners and Warren Zevon.
At 28.57% of the vote and on 4 ballots so far are George Michael and Rage Against The Machine.
At 21.43% of the vote and on 3 ballots so far are Sheryl Crow and Missy Elliott.
At 7.14% of the vote and on 1 ballot so far is The White Stripes.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/31/2023 @ 19:15pm


Mat R,

I am Now up to 2023 again. Back to the predictions. It seems like you have Chaka Khan as a pick for Early Influence. What are all your picks for Early Influence. I certainly do NOT remember. My picks for Early Influence are Big Mama Thornton and the Spinners. Both my Beloved Rock music and Rap are to blame for Spinners as a snub. So one member is alive from the Original days. I am compelled to keep the Spinners. If not for them I would have picked Chaka K. Its the same era for both. Her first solo single was "I'm Every Woman", released in 1978. She has released a total of 46 solo singles throughout her career. Khan has had four big albums I think. I googled her and find it has to be Rufus/Chaka Khan to be early influence. I dont think 1978 cuts it for Early Influence A T M. The Spinner go much further back. They actually go back to like 1961 or so. But got huge in the 1970s. Please Respond Respond

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 04:05am


The B-52's have had 2 Top 10 Hits (Love Shack and Roam) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.
Human League have had 3 Top 10 Hits (Don't You Want Me, (Keep Feeling) Fascination and Human) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.
Billy Idol has had 4 Top 10 Hits (Eyes Without A Face, To Be A Lover, Mony Mony and Cradle Of Love) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.
Tears For Fears have had 4 Top 10 Hits (Shout, Everybody Wants To Rule The World, Head Over Heels and Sowing The Seeds Of Love) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.
The Bangles have had 5 Top 10 Hits (Manic Monday, Walk Like An Egyptian, Hazy Shade Of Winter, In Your Room and Eternal Flame) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.
Pet Shop Boys have had 5 Top 10 Hits (West End Girls, Opportunities (Let's Make Lots Of Money), It's A Sin, What Have I Done To Deserve This? and Always On My Mind) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.
Culture Club have had 6 Top 10 Hits (Do You Really Want To Hurt Me, Time (Clock Of The Heart), Church Of The Poison Mind, I'll Tumble 4 Ya, Karma Chameleon and Miss Me Blind) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.
INXS have had 7 Top 10 Hits (What You Need, Need You Tonight, Devil Inside, New Sensation, Never Tear Us Apart, Suicide Blonde and Disappear) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.
Huey Lewis & The News have had 12 Top 10 Hits (Do You Believe In Love, Heart And Soul, I Want A New Drug, The Heart Of Rock & Roll, If This Is It, The Power Of Love, Stuck With You, Hip To Be Square, Jacob's Ladder, I Know What I Like, Doing It All For My Baby and Perfect World) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.

So all in all, These 80's New Wave/Alternative acts have had way more Top 10 Hits on the Billboard Hot 100 chart than Joy Division/New Order, These 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that I mentioned are more viable contenders to get in with the current voting body/committee than JD/NO, JD/NO didn't have any Top 10 Hits on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, so I think that people are way overestimating their chances this year, No matter how people frame it, They just didn't have the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America that these 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that I mentioned did, so I see them struggling with voters and having a really hard time getting voted in because of that even though they do absolutely deserve induction and they're one of the biggest snubs from the Rock Hall by far.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 11:20am


Richie,

Great stuff on the various hit counts for 80's acts, I would like to offer some thoughts.
First, the Hall, historically at least, basically values five criteria: Impressiveness (how many hits, and that includes albums as well as songs) Importance (critical acclaim, most easily captured on the Acclaimed Music site) Influence (who looks and sounds like the nominee or was influenced) Individuality (is the artist unique? think Dr. John or Tom Waits) and Iconicity (Think Abba, who are recognized by even very casual fans.)
On Acclaimed Artists site, the artists you list rank as follows: Pet Shop -118, Human League -- 313, B-52's - 338, Tears for Fears - 476, INXS - 600, Culture Club- 731, Bangles - 822, Billy Idol - 976 and Huey Lewis -- 2165. While this is not absolutely predictive, if you look at the list on the site, you will notice that a considerable majority of those in the top 100 Artists are in. Now Consider Joy Division (72) and New Order (76). either of these bands could be a strong candidate on their own, and not only in terms of acclaim but also influence. Combined they represent a formidable entity. Not a lock of course, as The Smiths (28) and Kate Bush (91) have yet to get in, but it gives you a sense of where the voters, and more importantly the nominating committee, place value.
Having said that I am certainly not denigrating your list, I would personally vote for the B-52's and Culture Club, and would consider the Pet Shop Boys as well. And I would not consider any artist on that list as being among the ten worst choices of all time.

JD/NO may not get in this year. But they are a very strong candidate based on historical results.


I genuinely appreciate your comments.

Posted by souljah on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 12:44pm


This week jd sold more t shirts than all those acts combined

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 13:13pm


This week jd sold more t shirts than all those acts combined

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 13:13pm


Souljah,

As much as I love Kate Bush and Joy Division/New Order, I just don't see either of them getting in with the current voting body/committee, I just think that both of them are too British, too Alternative, too Eurocentric, too niche and too underground to get in with the current voting body/committee, plus they just don't have the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America to get in this year over Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon (acts that are much more likely to get in with the current voting body/committee because all of them have had much more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than Kate and JD/NO), so I see Kate Bush getting in via Musical Excellence (aka getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment) this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 13:17pm


Richie

This rock hall voted in t Rex and Roxy music. Also joy division and new order are better known that Zevon easily

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 14:27pm


Omg walking around a mall and just saw like a 70 year old hell's angels type in an unknown pleasures shirt

Richie you could be right but stop acting like joy division isn't mainstream af

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 14:32pm


Mat R,

T. Rex and Roxy Music only got in because they had a lot of friends in the industry and T. Rex appeared on VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of All-Time list in 1998 (They disappeared from the 2010 update) and Roxy Music appeared on Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Artists list in 2004 (They disappeared from the 2011 update), JD/NO and Kate Bush don't have that (same with The Smiths), so I see all of them struggling with voters and having a really hard time getting voted in because of that. Also, JD/NO are not better known than Warren Zevon easily, Warren Zevon is easily better known than JD/NO by far. so I see him having an easier time getting voted in with the current voting body/committee than JD/NO by far.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 14:45pm


Jd/no

Literally have one of the top 50 songs according to rolling stone. They also have an insanely high number of industry friends like bono.

Also yes they are better known. Objectively that is a fact

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 15:25pm


Mat R,

No, JD/NO are not better known than Warren Zevon, JD/NO don't have a high number of industry friends either so that will really hurt their chances of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 15:39pm


I'm pretty sure more people own JD/NO shirts than albums.

And I think Warren Zevon has a better chance than them because he's the only real Classic Rock nominee. The hall has been suckers for classic rock in the last decade or so.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 15:59pm


I disagree with the notion that Warren Zevon is the ONLY Classic Rock nominee. The other Classic Rock nominee is Iron Maiden.

Yes, I know Iron Maiden is more Heavy Metal, but lots of classic rock stations are playing Maiden's music. And I'm a little upset about people underestimating Maiden's induction chances.

Posted by Johnny on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 16:13pm


I've said it before and I'll say it again. Commercial success and popularity isn't necessarily everything. Trends can change so it isn't a guarantee that the next class will be all about big names. Some lesser known but highly influential acts that are respected by peers could get in too.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 16:14pm


I disagree with the notion that Warren Zevon is the ONLY Classic Rock nominee. The other Classic Rock nominee is Iron Maiden.

Yes, I know Iron Maiden is more Heavy Metal, but lots of classic rock stations are playing Maiden's music. And I'm a little upset about people underestimating Maiden's induction chances.

Posted by Johnny on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 16:14pm


Richie

If Zevon sold as well as new order he'd have never been dropped by a label ever and if jd no didn't have loads of friends (and fans) Ian Curtis would not have been the central figure in two films by high profile directors that got their premiers at Cannes and Toronto

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 16:16pm


Johnny,

I think that Iron Maiden will get the Judas Priest treatment (In other words, They'll get in via Musical Excellence just like Judas Priest did last year in 2022, rather than as Performers).

Greg F,

In the John Sykes era so far, Voters have seem to be favoring acts that are more populist like Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Todd Rundgren, Tina Turner, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon. So this year's populist acts are Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon, So like the past two years (2021 and 2022) where the classes were populist, expect this year's class to be no different from the past two years (2021 and 2022).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 16:50pm


"No, JD/NO are not better known than Warren Zevon" LOL I think this is the biggest copium on this forum yet

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 17:16pm


Richie,

While that may be true but it doesn't mean that it will happen again. Trends can change and you'll never when they'll change. I won't be surprised if we wind up with populist again. But again you'll never know until the inductees are announced.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 17:37pm


Richie,

While that may be true but it doesn't mean that it will happen again. Trends can change and you'll never when they'll change. I won't be surprised if we wind up with populist again. But again you'll never know until the inductees are announced.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 17:37pm


I think there's going to be a lot of vote splitting with the 14 nominees. I can see the scenario of vote splitting between Joy Division/New Order, Kate Bush, and The White Stripes because they're the only prominent alternative music acts on the ballot. I don't count Soundgarden as alternative because more mainstream than alternative, even Grunge was pegged as alternative. But I digress.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 17:42pm


Elle Dee,

Who do you think will be the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Who do you think will be inducted in the side categories this year as well?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 17:54pm


Ben,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Kate Bush gets inducted via Musical Excellence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 19:38pm


Richie,

My predictions have not changed:

Performers:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical excellence:

Kate Bush

There's an additional factor of who gets in that a lot of people don't talk about much and that's the ceremony's broadcaster: HBO

HBO is the epitome of corporate America. They care about one thing and one thing only - RATINGS!!! There's definitely a conflict of interest between the rock hall and HBO. HBO definitely want certain artists to be inducted so that it can draw in big ratings, especially with younger folks.

If HBO holds all the cards in requesting who they want to be inducted based on relevance and ratings, I can see this scenario happening:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
The White Stripes
Missy Elliott
Willie Nelson
George Michael
Kate Bush

Musical Excellence:

Iron Maiden

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 21:46pm


Predictions

Michael
Nelson
Crow
Soundgarden
Zevon

If 6: White stripes
If 7: Lauper

AME: Bush, Kaye, the Neptunes

Early Influence: big mama, Salt-N-Pepa

Non-performer: Hype Williams

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 22:46pm


Mat R,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Kate Bush gets inducted via Musical Excellence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 22:57pm


How time flies, there will be only one month to know who will be inducted.

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 23:00pm


JD/NO is actually more famous than Zevon. They have 3 greatest songs and greatest albums by the rolling stones magazine, which is an american magazine and has deep relationship to the hall. Zevon has zero.

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 23:12pm


Power,

Which acts do you think will be the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and What are your predictions for inductees in the side categories this year as well?. Also, What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees and the 2024 inductees (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 23:16pm


In other HOF news:

The 2023 Country Music Hall of Fame inductees will be announced on Monday at 10am CT and hosted by Vince Gill.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/1/2023 @ 23:39pm


Richie,

Inductees:
Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:
Burt Bacharach
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan

Early Influence:
DJ Kool Herc
Big Mama Thornton
Bing Crosby


Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Thom Bell

A Tribe Called Quest seems to have a chance I think. This year is obscure than we think.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 01:32am


Predictions:

Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson
White Stripes
Kate Bush
Warren Zevon if 7

Chaka Khan and/or Rufus, ME
Iron Maiden, Early Influence

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 02:27am


Mat R,

I am Now up to 2023 again. Back to the predictions. It seems like you have Chaka Khan as a pick for Early Influence. What are all your picks for Early Influence. I certainly do NOT remember. My picks for Early Influence are Big Mama Thornton and the Spinners. Both my Beloved Rock music and Rap are to blame for Spinners as a snub. So one member is alive from the Original days. I am compelled to keep the Spinners. If not for them I would have picked Chaka K. Its the same era for both. Her first solo single was "I'm Every Woman", released in 1978. So actually Chaka Khan alone does not cut it IMO. Let's discuss Chaka Khan and the Whole Early Influence thing. I'm hoping you Respond

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 02:31am


Mat R,

I apologize. You gave a list just ysterday. My apologies.
We are in full agreement with ALL performer predictions.

George Michael
Willie Nelson
S Crow
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

I also have JD/New Order and Missy Elliot

I know some of the JD/ New Order. It was played at the 1980s dance parties. You can't dance to Allman Brothers B or Journey. LOL 2 of my actual favs.

Now then we focus on Early Influence. Total agreement w Big Mama Thornto.

But Salt n' Pepa? I dont think the world is ready for an 80s act as Early Influence.
What the heck happened to Tony Bennett, I picked the SPINNERS. The Spinners great R&B Legends. There is sooo little chance

Hey I am old fashioned but I caught up in the Early Influence concept. Kraftwerk were inducted cause they had origins in EARLY 70s. The Hall has reversed back to the 1940s and 50s. Thus Big Mama T. I sayy NO way Salt n Pepa. I am NOT a hip hop Fan much at alll, BUT Salt n Pepa could be A Musical E pick. PLEASe Respond

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 03:40am


I think after Missy Elliott is inducted, Salt n' Pepa will be nominated and inducted in main performer category.

After Missy Elliott and Tribe inducted, Salt n' Pepa and Outkast will be nominated soon, and then Wu-Tang Clan and De La Soul.

Jane's Addiction's second nomination will come as early as 2025 after RATM being inducted.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 03:54am


Ben

I don't see salt n pepa or any remaining 80s rap act getting in on the ballot and since musical excellence seems to be the plan for stars I'm thinking those 80s rap legends (salt n pepa, Boogie down productions, Eric b and Rakim) will end up in early influence. Same with sonic youth and Gary Numan who are from a similar time period.

Also to add on. I low key think we see David Johansen in musical excellence this year, as that martin Scorsese doc is focused on both new York Dolls and Buster poindexter.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 09:00am


They really should have gotten Yellow Magic Orchestra in as musical excellence while all three were still alive, up until a few months ago, where now only one member remains
Man this hall is SO bad at inducting anyone not from countries where English is the primary language, it's pretty funny how bad they are at this.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 10:26am


Good omen for Zevon? The Sunday retrospective review is one of the most widely read features on pitchfork

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/warren-zevon-warren-zevon/

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 10:29am


Richie,

Good comments, thanks for the insight. I hear you on the Eurocentric and Alternative comments, but as has been pointed out, T. Rex, and Roxy Music sailed right in, and Depeche Mode and The Cure got in as well. One of the thing that happens with voting is that as a genre starts to gain traction, the new members now vote for similar genres. So the above mentioned acts as well as Eurhythmics, Duran Duran, etc. could be in the JD/NO camp. I certainly don't consider them a lock but I think they are fairly likely. As I said, these are purely my predictions.
As far as mainstream recognition, not sure they don't have that. Love Will Tear Us Apart and Blue Monday are classics, well recognized by even casual fans. I do agree that there are those who won't be familiar with the fact that these are two bands with a single wellspring, so that might hurt them.
You also made some remarks that Roxy Music and T. Rex had more contacts and friends. You may have more insight into this than I do, but the critics (who are only one segment of the voting body) are certainly familiar with them. I do think that they are as well-known as Warren Zevon. Others have pointed out that some of their songs are routinely in all-time top-100 lists. The nice thing about an opinion is that is just that. I freely admit I could be wrong. In fact I hope I am wrong about Sheryl Crow!

Posted by souljah on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 12:54pm


Couple more random comments:

Regarding who is "classic Rock", I am inclined to agree that Iron Maiden, Soundgarden and Sheryl Crow all have varying degrees of credibility there. Could help any or all of them. With respect IM though, I kind of think that if Judas Priest couldn't get voted in, not sure that bodes well for IM. But you never know!

Some Musical Excellence thoughts. Micky Baker, Lonnie Mack, Carole Kaye, Glen Campbell. If Kate Bush misses the Performer vote, I agree this is pretty likely. But I can't help feeling like this a back door. That said, maybe this is how they induct Chic (if nothing else Bernard Edwards certainly is deserving.)
Some Ertegun Award thoughts: Arthur Baker (this guy's fingerprints are all over the 80's and 90's), Marv Johnson (hugely important figure in Motown), Giorgio Moroder (an awful lot of 80's electronic music impact).
Early Influence - Thornton, Wynonie Harris, Esquerita, Bob Wills and Roy Brown

Posted by souljah on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 13:05pm


Hi - this is my first time chiming in on this chat - here are my predictions for 2023 -

Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Iron Maiden
Joy Division
New Order
The Spinners
Willie Nelson

(I'm predicting Joy Division will be separately inducted from New Order - but that the nomination was bunched together to guarantee they would get in the same year)

To make up for the lack of rap and hip hop in the Performers, the Sudemen, Non Performers, and Musical Excellence will probably be rap heavy - maybe Dr Dre, Rick Rubin, EPMD, Eric B &. Rakim, et al ?

Posted by Bookhouse on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 14:08pm


Once again

There is no way in hell they induct dr dre via the ame without ever nominating him

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 15:28pm


Mat r, Alright since I don't know Hip hop well I'll take your for it. BUT it may be in 2 or 3 years. Kraftwerk opened up the Early Influence to Early 70s. It may take a couple extra years to extend to the 80s. This year I stick with BIg Mama Thornton and the Spinners. Hey what happened to your Tony Bennett pick you mentioned a few months ago. And some other 1950s picks. I think some of those are more likely first.

Also as far as Warren Zevon he has a great chance of induction from the Votes. He has a lot of support. And I like Warren Zevon quite a bit personally.
I noticed you picked Cyndi Lauper if there is 7. I love Cyndi Lauper. And after all I heard her music the first week She's So Unusual was released. It's only that I was sooo sure about Pat Benatar in 2020 and she missed. Cyndi is huge like that. So I would tend to pick her. But NO I will think reverse here. I do have Sheryl Crow and Missy Elliot as the women this year. I guess I'll mull that over.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 18:25pm


Although I am a super fan of Yellow Magic Orchestra, I do not see ymo being inducted. If ymo is an American band, the chance will be 100 times higher. Kraftwerk is more influential and famous than YMO and finds a hard time to be inducted. I doubt YMO will ever be considered.

Posted by Richie on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 18:33pm


Sorry, ai have input Richie in the user name on the last comment. Indeed, "Richie" should be "power". I feel very sorry for richie.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 18:35pm


Power,

I think that it's really funny that you said my name, I like it.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 18:54pm


Mat R, yes, I think it is safe to say Zevon will be inducted. Pitch fork may obtain some information and then makes supplementary evaluation for Zevon as he is not criticized by pitchfork before.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 19:03pm


Hey K-Dawg,

Since the WWE Hall of Fame happened, who's your personal Top 5 for those that aren't in?

Here's mine:
1. The Rock
2. Jim Cornette
3. Jim Johnston (Warrior Award)
4. Hardcore Holly
5. Lex Luger

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 19:57pm


Richie,

I agree that they would never have a shot through the main performer category due to voter ignorance regarding foreign acts. If Kraftwerk couldn't do it despite almost every single act afterwards being directly or indirectly influenced by them they'd never have a shot
That's why I think they should be auto-comittee'd in the music excellence category, they need to start acknowledging scenes outside US/UK/Canada/Australia with very significant acts and if voters never will the committee has to like they did Kraftwerk

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 20:17pm


Well, another one is gone. I liked his appearances on Who Cares? The class of 05 is down to 11 living members.

Since the ceremony, Christine McVee, Tommy Facenda, Jim Stewart, Dino Danelli, Fred White, Jeff Beck, David Crosby, Charlie Thomas, Gary Rossington, Clarance "Fuzzy" Haskins, and Seymour Stein have died.

Living Members of each class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 6/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 12/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 19/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1998: 18/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2003: 16/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, and Bill Medley)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 11/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, and Larry Mullen)
2006: 18/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 27/70 (Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 18/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)
2022: 25/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, and Elizabeth Cotten)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 22:00pm


Also, while I don't think Iron Maiden is Classic Rock, Soundgarden might qualify.

But when I think of Classic Rock, I think of Rock from the 1970's or 1980's. Soundgarden came too late and don't really have the sound (no pun intended) that's similar to any of the Classic Rock groups inducted in the late 2010's. (Or last year's Classic Rock inductee, Pat Benatar)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 22:13pm


So richie and power are definitely the same person, right?

Posted by DC on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 22:39pm


Follower,

I view Warren Zevon as being the only artist to be part of the classic rock era. His music, particularly Werewolves of London, is still being played on classic rock radio stations. I think what might hurt Iron Maiden is that they're up against rock acts that aren't metal that the rock hall tend to favor towards (Warren Zevon, Soundgarden, Rage Against the Machine, The White Stripes). Warren Zevon can easily overshadow Iron Maiden in the ballot voting simply because he has three things going for him - he's been around longer than Iron Maiden, he's an American, he's getting a major boost from big names in the industry.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 22:49pm


Of the rock crowd I'm thinking Zevon's only real challenge is Sheryl and I honestly don't think people will have issue voting for both. White stripes are the other but I think a lot of Zevon's voters will be voting for sentimental reasons.

The rock lane this year is tricky cause there's only one classic rock act (Zevon) and one mainstream rock act (Sheryl) and everyone else is like who is the most mainstream of the alternative (stripes vs jd/no vs Soundgarden) and who is the most digestible metal (Maiden vs rage vs again Soundgarden). But despite that trickyness it kind of seems like a good year for rock acts after last year which had 1 traditionally classes rock act go in.

I'm guessing 3 or 4 of these go in this year (prob Crow, Zevon, Soundgarden, and stripes but the other 3 could easily upset).

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/2/2023 @ 23:13pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Roscoe on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 02:34am


Elle Dee,

I agree. Warren Zevon is the only Classic Rock act on this ballot, so he has a chance at getting in. (Being in the top 5 on the fan vote helps his case, as so far only 4 artists have placed in the top 5 but haven't been inducted. Two of those four, coincidentally, are Iron Maiden and Soundgarden.) I was responding to the notion that Iron Maiden and Soundgarden were Classic Rock.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 02:41am


Mat r,

I agree with you on this. The rock lane this year is tricky cause there's only one classic rock act (Zevon). But I think he is only Classic rock due to the era. He is NOT a typical Classic rock act like the Doors and Billy Joel. Warren Zevon is a cult act like Leonard Cohen. I like about 2 of his albums. A lot of it is obscure. It will be Soundgarden for Alternative and the most digestible metal is Iron Maiden, But despite that trickyness it kind of seems like a good year for Rock. I think Iron Maiden will be Musical Excellence. Heavy Metal does bad with Voting body. There is a lot of Veterans that Vote like Eric Clapton, Billy Joel and Bob Weir of the Gr Dead. They are just NOT voting for I Maiden. Its hard to say with Iron Maiden. I don't mind I Maiden but I am younger than the Rock veterans slightly. I remember the Classic rock era and the advent of Heavy Metal. I was a teenager when J Priest, Iron Maiden and Rainbow came to rise,
But my roots is with the Classic Rock era. When I was a young teenager the ruling acts were Gr Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Steely Dan, E Clapton etc etc. And of course the WHO my favorite band of all time. I got into the Who just around the time Keith Moon died. I own almost every album of the Who, E Clapton and G Dead etc,

Now what about R&b. This year the Spinners came back out of no where. I think the Spinners are a definite pick for Early I. There is also Harold Melvyn & Blue Notes and the Manhattans. And perhaps the Emotions. I would say Early I for these. What is on your mind with this?

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 03:57am


Plebeian, to answer your query:

1. Owen Hart
2. The Rock
3. Demolition
4. Triple H
5. Lex Luger

I'm sure I missed a few, but these are my short list as of this moment. Honorable mention goes to Virgil/Vincent, for putting up with being a stooge in an era not yet totally friendly to ethnicity

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 04:42am


This year, or one in the near future, may be the one where heavy metal comes into its own in the Hall of Fame voting. In the last three years we had three "hard" act groups inducted--Nine Inch Nails (2020), Foo Fighters (2021) and Judas Priest (2022 ME). Excluding Dave Holland and Taylor Hawkins, that's eighteen ballots held by people who perhaps listened to heavy metal when they were growing up. I assume that the newer inductees are the ones most likely to actually cast a ballot; if that turns out to be true, it may give the metal acts nominated now--like Iron Maiden--and in the future an edge.

Posted by Joe S. on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 07:03am


I have a weird theory that there's going to be a repeat of last year's inductees with this year's inductees (i.e. artists with similar pedigree):

Performers:

Dolly Parton ➡️ Willie Nelson (Country)

Eminem ➡️ Missy Elliott or Tribe Called Quest, but mostly Missy because she's more high profiled (Hip Hop)

Pat Benatar ➡️ Sheryl Crow (Female Rocker)

Eurythmics ➡️ either JD/NO or Kate Bush (honestly Kate Bush and Annie Lennox aren't that different from each other)

Duran Duran ➡️ Cyndi Lauper (80s MTV era)

Carly Simon ➡️ Warren Zevon (singer/songwriter of the classic rock era)

Lionel Richie ➡️ George Michael (George, like Lionel, is no stranger to middle of the road '80s stuff, though I prefer George Michael's music over Lionel's)

Musical Excellence:

Judas Priest ➡️ Iron Maiden

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 09:01am


Elle Dee,

That's not weird, that's logic. It's often how trends are measured in the hof choices. Don't feel bad about it, it's a great tool

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 09:44am


I think there will be 8 artists inducted, 1-2 in the side category and 6-7 in main category like 2021 and 2022.

Warren Zevon is very very safe to be inducted.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 10:33am


I think there will be 8 artists inducted, 1-2 in the side category and 6-7 in main category like 2021 and 2022.

Warren Zevon is very very safe to be inducted.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 10:33am


Us: the white stripes have to be the critics pick this year

Jack white: happy 20th elephant anniversary. Remember when pitchfork gave it a 6.9/10? What a group of morons. We should ignore critics

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqgMRmvL4GG/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 11:22am


K-Dawg,

Vergil/Vincent is certainly a very BOLD choice but it is your opinion so I will let it slide. I guess my honorable mention would have to be Mickie James.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 13:02pm


If we're picking WWE hall of fame the big 5 are clearly Vince, Batista, Heyman, giant baba, and destroyer. I'd argue rock, Jericho, and big show are also in the mix but they're all active in some capacity.

Oddly Lauper is the biggest celebrity snub

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 13:37pm


Hey Guys,

According to BoyGenius (aka Btravll (https://twitter.com/Btravll) from Twitter), about 35% of official ballots have returned and there are 8 artists who have separated from the rest in the official voting and they are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

All of them are looking real good for induction and getting voted in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 14:10pm


If the source if correct, the Spinners may even has a chance to be inducted in main category, it is surprising.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 14:15pm


New Prediction for main category:
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
Warren Zevon

Posted by power on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 14:17pm


Hey Guys,

According to BoyGenius (aka Btravll (https://twitter.com/Btravll from Twitter), about 35% of official ballots have returned and there are 8 artists who have separated from the rest in the official voting and they are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

All of them are looking real good for induction and getting voted in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 14:45pm


Power,

Pretty much how I predicted, except for The Spinners, I'm really surprised about that. I'm not that surprised that Kate is sadly doing poorly with the ballot voting because she's going to do much more better with the grand jury vote in musical excellence category.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 14:47pm


Fake! No way that's the 35% of the votes. Your source isn't credible. Richie I think you are trying the blackball us with this tweet.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 14:53pm


I remember there was a rumor in the last year that ATCQ did extreme well in voting in March or April. Nevertheless, ATCQ is not inducted in the end. In May, we will know if this new rumor is correct. We will see.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 15:11pm


The account is claiming a major shake up in non talent voting. That's odd but predictable after Wenner shitting on the committee and outing the inside baseball there last year very publicly

My guess is fake

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 15:19pm


Plebeian and Hey Guys,

It's not fake, It's actually real, BoyGenius (aka Btravll (https://twitter.com/Btravll from Twitter) said that on https://forums.stevehoffman.tv as brucewayneofgotham where he is a regular contributor and commentator on that forum, He also said on Twitter that there is a very good chance that the larger voting gap will be between 8 and 9 in the official voting so 8 Performer inductees by the voters is looking real good this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 15:27pm


I think that competitions will become weaker after 2025.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 15:40pm


Cue richies man crush on the burner account or whatever it be on this year's ballot...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 16:58pm


K-Dawg,

At first I believed Richie, but now I just don't find it credible. If such a thing like leaking info of the early ballot results came out, Future Rock Legends and Rock Hall-related podcasts would be the first ones to know, not some random music forum commentator.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 17:09pm


In May, we will know if this new rumor is correct. We will see.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 17:10pm


K-Dawg and others,

It's not the burner account this year, It's BoyGenius (aka Btravll (https://twitter.com/Btravll from Twitter and brucewayneofgotham from https://forums.stevehoffman.tv) saying on forums.stevehoffman.tv that he has leaked source regarding official voting on a bunch of private FB groups (which he is a member of along with Rock Hall members) and there are 1250 ballots this year and about 35% of official ballots have returned and there are 8 artists who have separated from the rest in the official voting and they are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

All of them are looking real good for induction and getting voted in this year. He said there is a very good chance the larger voting gap will be between 8 and 9 in the official voting, so 8 Performer inductees by the voters is looking real good this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 17:45pm


It's not true the links don't take me anywhere. You've been fooled again this year the "source" looks fake.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 18:30pm


In other HOF news:

The 2023 Country Music Hall of Fame inductees have been announced and they are:

Bob McDill (Songwriter)
Patty Loveless (Modern Era)
Tanya Tucker (Veterans Era)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 19:20pm


So for the past month or 2 I've been making some predictions for the next 14 years including this year. Here's what I have:
2023: Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden, White Stripes

2024: Bad Company, Billy Idol, Coldplay, Lauryn Hill, Motörhead, OutKast, Sade, Rage Against the Machine

2025: A Tribe Called Quest, Brandi Carllile, Cyndi Lauper, Joy Division/New Order, Linkin Park, Oasis, Warren Zevon

2026: Alicia Keys, Diana Ross, Iron Maiden, Kool and the Gang, Queens of the Stone Age, Salt-N-Pepa, The Strokes

2027: Alanis Morrisette, Daft Punk, Justin Timberlake, Mariah Carey, Nas, Patti LaBelle, Cher, Weezer

2028: Arcade Fire, Beck, Beyonce, De La Soul, Jethro Tull, Mary J Blige, TOOL, Thin Lizzy

2029: Amy Winehouse, The Black Keys, Ozzy Ozbourne, Pixies, Britney Spears, TLC, The Killers

2030: Arctic Monkeys, Fiona Apple, John Mayer, Queen Latifah, REO Speedwagon, Rihanna, Slayer, Sweet

2031: Alice In Chain, Garth Brooks, Grand Funk Railroad, LCD Soundsystem, Taylor Swift, The B-52s, Tori Amos

2032: Adele, Bon Iver, Lil Wayne, Modest Mouse, St Vincent, Stone Temple Pilots, The Damned, Vampire Weekend

2033: Aaliyah, Blink-182, Fatboy Slim, Kanye West, Mötley Crüe, Lady Gaga, Sonic Youth

2034: Animal Collective, Anthrax, Drake, Kendrick Lamar, PJ Harvey, The Bangles, The Prodigy, Wu-Tang Clan

2035: Björk, Blur, Bruno Mars, Chemical Brothers, Nicki Minaj, Sting, Snoop Dogg

2036: A$AP Rocky, Frank Ocean, Gloria Estefan and Miami Sound Machine, Lana Del Rey, Muse, Smashing Pumpkins, The Black Crowes, The Weeknd

Gimme your thoughts on this IG

Posted by Raichu on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 20:18pm


Hey Guys,

BoyGenius (aka Btravll (https://twitter.com/Btravll from Twitter and brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv) said the following comments on forums.stevehoffman.tv as brucewayneofgotham about the Rock Hall election for this year (https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/ and they are:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/posts/3171839/

rumor I have been told Willie is leading , on the ballots already turned in

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/posts/3171842/

From what I am hearing the biggest thing hurting Kate Bush is the support on the early ballots of Missy , Cyndi , and Sheryl

rumor mill , Cyndi is only trailing Willie , right now she is looking like a lock

He said this about Kate Bush's chances this year as well:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/posts/31719264/

I think you are going to be out of luck it is not looking good based on the early ballot return

though more then half of the ballots are still out there so you never know

He also said this about ballots this year:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/posts/31725915/

1250 this year, aprx
there are a bunch of private FB Groups were things were discussed by members that probably shouldn't be usually though , 90%+ of what is stated when it comes to numbers is accurate

and yes, she who will remain nameless (he's talking about Amy Linden) was ripped , beyond anything I ever seen in the FB Groups

we all know she was trying to build her podcast audience

she has quit the 2 main FB private groups with Rock Hall members

He also said this about Rock And Roll Globe (https://rockandrollglobe.com)'s predictions for the 2023 inductees:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/posts/31727270/

Handicapping the 2023 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees - Rock And Roll Globe (https://rockandrollglobe.com/music-journalism/handicapping-the-2023-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/ I agree with 6 of the 7 he predicts (That guy's predicting Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon and he agrees with him on Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon) but he wrong about George Michael

he lists him dead last in his odds

also based on the early returns (about 35%, I am told)
George is a lock , and the Spinners are looking good

everyone is stating there are 8 artists who have separated from the rest (the 8 artists being Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon)
so usually they look at were the first big voting gap after 5 so electing 8 is very possible

but again a lot of votes to count yet

He also said this about Kate Bush as well:

https:/forums.stevehoffman.tv/posts/31733709/

I will tell you how unknown Kate Bush is to most Americans , including the people voting

they were discussing the 2024 Ballot and debating Keith Sweat , Maxwell , Gerald Levert , New Edition (and Bobby) , Boyz II Men and ..... D'Angelo

He also said this about Warren Zevon's chances this year as well:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/posts/31740653/

It is looking good , still a lot of ballots , are still out

He also said this about Missy Elliott's chances this year as well:

https:/forums.stevehoffman.tv/posts/31760141/

It is looking pretty good for her.

He also said this about acts being frontrunners this year as well:

https:/forums.stevehoffman.tv/posts/31767109/

really hard to call as everyone is wondering , where will the break be?

From what has been leaked Willie and Cyndi are looking very good.
Missy and George are in the next group.
Could we see as many as 7 or 8 or 9 , voting inductee's?
It all depends were the "gap" is after the Top 5?
If the gap is only 2% between #5 and # 9 , how do you say no to #9?
Also the late vote is so different from the early vote , at times?
Why? A lot of theories , but nothing conclusive.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/3/2023 @ 23:59pm


Richie,

Again, it's a rumor that's not confirmed. Take it with a tiny grain of salt. If such an info like that leaked, Future Rock Legends and Rock Hall podcasts would've known about that and been talking about that. Even if Kate does poorly with the voting ballots, which is honestly to be expected because the rock hall has crappy, pretentious voters (looking at you Eddie Trunk), she still has a bigger more realistic chance in the musical excellence because the category is tailor made for an artist like her.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 00:25am


Hey Guys,

BoyGenius (aka Btravll (https://twitter.com/Btravll from Twitter and Brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv said about The White Stripes's chances this year on Twitter as Btravll (https://twitter.com/Btravll :

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1641320620674646016

if they go with 7 or 8 voting inductions , they have a very good chance. It just depends were "the pack separation" happens , I think there is a very good chance , the larger gap will be between 8 and 9. So 8 inductees by voting , looks good

He also said this about Kate Bush on Twitter in two tweets as well:

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1642240444472999937

@futurerocklgnds
@rockhall
If Kate Bush is elected this year (and truthfully , looking at the early vote , it will take a miracle for this to happen) , before Roberta Flack or Diana Ross (solo) , were ever on a ballot (and they would easily be 1st Ballot inductee's.. Pt1

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1642240825928171520

@futurerocklgnds

@rockhall
pt 2:
look for a major shake-up
in the non-talent voting panel

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 00:31am


Elle Dee,

I'm not taking it with a tiny grain of salt, I do believe him and I trust him on all of it. I think that it is very real and realistic.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 00:33am


Richie, there is only one month remaining. Thank you for sharing the information. We will know if the information is correct within one month. Then we can discuss if this person is real or fake. If he is real, we can pay attention on his information in the next year. If he is fake and his information should be discussed in FRL.

I am also confused that the leak from people engaged in the voting process is warranted by the rock hall. My guess is also fake although I think eight artists he mentioned have a good chance to be inducted as well.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 00:55am


Power,

I think that the leak from people engaged in the voting process is not fake, I think that it is very real and realistic.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 01:03am


As I have said, we will see if this is real in the near future and then a judgement can be made then.

I remembered that in the April of 2022 you have posted a piece of information that 8 artists and Lemmy would be inducted in 2022 and that was fake. I truly believe in you but I am skeptical about some information.

Richie, I very appreciate your sharing information. Let us just use this information as a perspective of viewing the rock hall, not just as the final result.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 01:23am


Richie, one thing I agree with this person is that Burt Bacharach may be inducted soon. He recently died. It is time to make people memorize of him.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 01:28am


Power,

The guy who gave the information about 8 performers and 4 side category inductions last year was Zack Friedman (https://twitter.com/Xtitan92 on Twitter and he posted that on April Fools Day last year (https://twitter.com/Xtitan92/status/1510034544082264072 and It was just an April Fools joke that he did. so I really truly believe in the voting results this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 01:46am


K-Dawg,

Ok. I want to ask you about the Early Influence category this year. While richie delves into silly rumors. I will ask this. Its more constructive than that. I found a very recent post. Iron Maiden Early I? That's a bit out of bounds. Early I zone is not up to early 80s. Opposite to richie I will NOT ask to change a darn thing. No no. Maybe you feel Early I is extended to Early 80s. I mean they are rather old compared to 2022,2023. But it seems like Early I after Kraftwerk went back. I have chosen Big Mama Thornton and the Spinners. Both acts started 50 years or over. Stay with I Maiden you may feel something we don't. NOW I think some other Early I picks in Near future are Poco, Gram Parsons, Dionne Warwick, the Diamonds.

Ahhh but Iron Maiden I pick for Musical Excellence. I pick Kate Bush cause she is going to miss as Main Performer and also I Maiden. You pick Chaka Khan. Thats another good pick. She could be either one if you latch on Rufus. Respond respond

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 03:14am


Richie, let us wait for one month in patience.

I will investigate about potential candidates for side categories and then give predictions for future classes.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 03:30am


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Roscoe on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 03:55am


Anyone have thoughts on the thing I posted? Also I don't trust Twitter anyways so theres my stance on that situation.

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 06:56am


Raichu

I do. I'll post in a bit

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 08:44am


Raichu

Gonna ignore some of the opinions I've made clear like Kanye, sonic youth, and such

Britney Spears: I 100% agree she's going in by 2030. I think it'll be a fight with at least 3 nominations but it'll happen.

Arcade fire: after what happened with win (to he assault and fan manipulation claims) and the response the band had and Canadian media, who would be the band's biggest cheerleaders, had I don't see them getting in the see that fast

Brandi Carllile: while she's well liked industry wise I don't think she has the popularity to pull off a fye

Prodigy, anthrax, slayer, sting solo: I don't see it ever happening for them

St Vincent: as a st Vincent fan it pains me to say this but as more time goes by the more doubtful I am of her because her critical and commercial impact is on a sharpish decline.

Snoop Dogg, smashing pumpkins: I can't picture them taking that long. Too iconic

Surprise snubs for your list

Nickelback: they were the biggest band in the world for a decade. Bands like that typically get in regardless of acclaim. They're closer to induction that animal collective and more influential than most listed

Devo: I'm guessing they're side door for you still if you've got sonic youth as performer it's weird

Dr. Dre: actually shocked he isn't listed

Ice t: seems more likely to get in on a ballot that salt n pepa, queen Latifah, or de la soul. He's played ball with the hall too

Carly Rae Jepsen: probably has had the best aging pop music of her generation and has had a ton of influence (she made jack Antonoff) and commercial success and unlike st. Vincent or Bon Iver has songs people know

Robyn: similar to Jepsen but where as Jepsen changed pop Robyn changed dance. She has the hits and probably is closer than prodigy or Fatboy Slim.

Bad religion: punk needs to return and these guys thanks to their guitarist being an important industry figure seems super likely to make it

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 10:03am


Ben,

I'm not sure what they are gonna do with Early Influence. I will admit, I am not always caught up on acts that the Hall puts here, and that's not a bad thing, but Iron Maiden as EI is not very appetizing, but it is a possibility. They made a mockery by shunting Kraftwerk into the category, but it's what we have now. I can see them doing it to the Monkees as well, which at this point I would take just to finally get them in. If they are gonna use it to throw another one of the nominees in, as has been done lately, I can see the Spinners finally getting their due. I have held steady that if they are going to showcase female performers, as has been the trend, Chaka Khan and/or Rufus remains a favorite in my mind. And then, there's the glaring GLARING omission of Patsy Cline.

It could go several ways. ME, on the other hand, or not so much, can go absolutely anywhere...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 10:13am


Actually what do people here think Robyn's chance actually are?

Like she's super duper influential (went from being max Martin's launching pad and prototype for Britney Spears to revolutionizing dance pop, introducing the world to The Knife and being the basis for music by lady gaga, Beyonce, and Taylor swift) and has the mainstream hits (show me love, dancing on my own) and widespread acclaim (dancing on my own is like #20 on the rs 500 and body talk made both pitchfork and rs's best albums lists).

She's probably after daft punk but do you guys think she has a shot?

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 10:19am


Iron Maiden will not be inducted as EI. Judas Priest is before IM and JP is inducted as ME. I think IM will be inducted as ME.

I think the British rock artists like the Smiths, JD/NO and Oasis may be hard to be voted. Nevertheless, American rock artists like Sonic Youth, Pixies may have a chance to be inducted in the main category.

It is a little wired that Bjork, Tori Amos and Fiona Apple all have higher possibility than Bush to be inducted in the main category but that is the reality.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 10:36am


Power,

In terms of musical excellence, I think Kate is more than likely to get inducted into the category than Iron Maiden her profile in America is slightly more higher than their's. Running Up That Hill was a gigantic hit last summer around the same time she got snub. I'm sure the committee sat back and watch the belated American success and attention Kate received unfold. I think they kept her in mind based on the resurgence because she broke a plethora of records, was also nominated for industry awards including an American Music Award and recently the iHeart Music Awards. That kind of attention is something that can easily help Kate win the musical excellence grand prize. I can see Iron Maiden get inducted into the musical excellence category if the hall inducts three acts this year.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 10:58am


Elle Dee, if the main performers are 6 then I think it is very possible to have 3 candidates inducted in musical excellence.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 11:03am


Nickelback is NEVER getting inducted. Why? Because they're a JOKE. They're a punchline. Critics see them as a joke and music fans view them as a joke. The day Nickelback gets nominated is the day the Rock Hall loses the little credibility they have left.

Posted by Xwing1212 on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 11:18am


Nickelback is NEVER getting inducted. Why? Because they're a JOKE. They're a punchline. Critics see them as a joke and music fans view them as a joke. The day Nickelback gets nominated is the day the Rock Hall loses the little credibility they have left.

Posted by Xwing1212 on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 11:24am


Easy, Star Wars aficionado.

Nickelback has as much a shot as any band in the early oughts. That's not to say they have a great chance, but there are far more ridiculous acts seriously considered. As to the RRHOF losing credibility, they have done a serviceable job the last decade of getting in missed genres and acts. They have gained considerable credibility since 2008 or so. For awhile, it was a rockist paradise, which is I'm sure some want, but that's not a total representation of the history of rock AND roll.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 11:28am


Easy, Star Wars aficionado.

Nickelback has as much a shot as any band in the early oughts. That's not to say they have a great chance, but there are far more ridiculous acts seriously considered. As to the RRHOF losing credibility, they have done a serviceable job the last decade of getting in missed genres and acts. They have gained considerable credibility since 2008 or so. For awhile, it was a rockist paradise, which is I'm sure some want, but that's not a total representation of the history of rock AND roll.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 11:28am


Nickelback as the worst band ever is a take that has kind of aged poorly. People now are kind of realizing the quality Nickelback presented and the influence they've had on mainstream rock and country.

There's also the fact that, again, they were the biggest band in the world for a decade. They were bigger than Coldplay, my chemical romance, green day, Linkin park, even u2. They were regularly moving usher and lady gaga level numbers at a time rock bands didn't do that. Bands like that don't get skipped by the hall like ever. They're not foreigner or Boston, they're guns n roses or pearl jam in terms of profile in their era.

On top of that, journey is a joke, bon Jovi is a joke, kiss is a joke. I can't picture being a joke keeping Nickelback out. And honestly it would surrender to the rock is dead narrative cause no Nickelback kills like imagine dragons and maneskin and such.

We all should ride for Nickelback

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 13:12pm


Modified my predictions a bit: 

2025: A Tribe Called Quest, Cyndi Lauper, Joy Division/New Order, Linkin Park, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Oasis, Warren Zevon

2028: Beck, Beyonce, De La Soul, Jethro Tull, Mary J Blige, TOOL, Thin Lizzy, Snoop Dogg

2029: Amy Winehouse, The Black Keys, Ozzy Ozbourne, Pixies, Britney Spears, Sweet, TLC, The Killers

2030: Arctic Monkeys, Fiona Apple, Ice-T, John Mayer, REO Speedwagon, Rihanna, Robyn, Smashing Pumpkins

2032: Adele, Bon Iver, Devo, Dr Dre, Modest Mouse, Stone Temple Pilots, The Damned, Vampire Weekend

2034: Animal Collective, Drake, Kendrick Lamar, PJ Harvey, The Bangles, Nickelback,  Wu-Tang Clan

2035: Arcade Fire, Björk, Blur, Bruno Mars, Carly Rae Jepsin, Chemical Brothers, Elliot Smith, Nicki Minaj

2036: A$AP Rocky, Bad Religion, Frank Ocean, Gloria Estefan and Miami Sound Machine, Lana Del Rey, Muse, The Black Crowes, The Weeknd

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 14:44pm


Power,

BoyGenius (aka Btravll (https://twitter.com/Btravll from Twitter and brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv said on both forums.stevehoffman.tv and Twitter about there being 8 Performer inductees this year and here they are:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-93

everyone is stating there are 8 artists who have separated from the rest (the 8 artists being Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon)
so usually they look at were the first big voting gap after 5 so electing 8 is very possible

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1641320620674646016

It just depends were "the pack separation" happens , I think there is a very good chance , the larger gap will be between 8 and 9. So 8 inductees by voting , looks good

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 15:27pm


Raichu,
Where do you have Mariah Carey?

Richie,

Your Twitter twits are more of a speculation at this point

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 18:02pm


K-Dawg,
You're gonna have to scroll up a bit to find my original prediction post with Mariah in it

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 18:48pm


K-Dawg,

Did you see it yet, and if yes what are your thoughts?

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 04/4/2023 @ 20:03pm


Philip/Rock Hall Monitors posted his I-5!

https://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2023/04/merits-of-2023-nominees.html

Unfortunately, as his books are in storage, he doesn't mention who the biggest singles and biggest albums acts are.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 00:20am


Raichu,

that's a lot to take in. I passed over her before, but see her in 2027. I really can't speculate that far out. However, that's a commendable list and effort by you.

I'll have to study it a bit, but I like that Bad Company is in the crosshairs soon. That, to me, is a glaring omission before they close the door on the 70s

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 01:44am


K-Dawg,

It is hard to what they are gonna do with Early Influence. I will admit, I am not always caught up on acts in this category but Iron Maiden as EI is not very appetizing, true but also likely for Early I. They made a mockery by sh Kraftwerk into the category, but what we have now is an extension to the early 1970s. I can see them doing it to the Monkees as well, Very possible. They could be NEXT year. If they are going use it to throw another one of the nominees in, as has been done lately, I can see the Spinners finally getting their due. I have predicted the Spinners in Early I along with Big Mama Thornton. The Hall despite Kraftwerk is maintaining the 1940s and 50s for this category. The Hall will easily extend the time frame for the Spinners.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 03:03am


Mat, as far as Carly Rae Jepsen goes, she's returning to Lolla and is pretty high on the performer list. She was there in 2018 and I saw her set. Massive crowd in middle of the day for her.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 05:33am


This entry will seem similar to Enigmaticus. A lot of us remember him. He has totallly disappeared it seems like something Bad may have happened here. I am pale in comparison to him. I like a bunch of Prog rock. I seem to be one of the most similar to him BUT there is some Prog that is Kinda terrible tooo. He would NEVER say that. I like all kinds of Rock for sure. Unlike Enig. I still think JETHRO Tull will be nominated as a Performer for the Voting body. They would do better than any of the Heavy rock bands. But after J Tull, I think Emerson, Lake and Palmer, King Crimson, Supertramp and possibly Kansas willl go as Musical Excellence and Early Influence. King Crimson will be Early I. I am much more into King Crimson than Kraftwerk. And just as much influence.
What's on your minds??

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 06:30am


I don't know about EI for King Crimson. I think what may happen is that Robert Fripp would get ME to cover King Crimson and his work outside of King Crimson.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 07:25am


Robert Fripp may obtain ME. I think ELP and Jethro Tull have greater chance than KC.

Posted by drivingforce on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 08:12am


Greg F,

I see your point. Last year I think it was I picked Robert Fripp for M Excellence. I forgot that. Jethro Tull can be voted in. And ELP, Supertramp and Kansas are Musical E. Which category do you mean for BETTER chance. I think you mean PERFORMER. Jethro Tull absolutely they were tooo big featuring the Ian Anderson. ELP and the others NOT so much. Let me know what yu mean

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 09:47am


Performer was meant for Jethro Tull and ELP. As for Supertramp and Kansas they might get a couple tries on a ballot at some point before getting considered for ME.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 10:18am


Although I listen to Jethro Tull and ELP often, I think after Zevon, the induction of classic rock in 70s may be over. Jethro Tull and Elp may be inducted in ME. The hall seems to focus on 80 and 90s more.

Posted by drivingforce on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 13:22pm


Mat R, Raichu,

I like your lists and comments. A name I don't see (may have missed it) is Max Martin, in non-performer. The guy has written more #1 hits than anyone not named Lennon or McCartney, and has produced more #1 hits than anyone not named Martin. His work would seem to justify an inclusion, especially if Robyn (whom I like and enjoy) is inducted.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 14:05pm


Regarding Jethro Tull, ELP KC (King Crimson) KC (& Sunshine Band) Kansas, all interesting choices, Usually the Hall gives performers a couple shots at the Performer category before going to ME (LL Cool J, Kraftwerk, Priest, etc.) But I suppose that might change now that it is pretty blatant that the committee will get their preferences inducted one way or another.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 14:09pm


souljah ,

You seem like you were around during the 1970s similar to me. Just one thing MY focus was Prog rock. KC and the Sunshine Band? They are totally Irrelevant here. You may have mis understood. In any case see you in other chats

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 18:48pm


Ben,

Sorry, I should have put a smiley face or something, I was basically joking! I saw KC used as the initials for King Crimson, and couldn't resist it. If Chic can't get in, then KC& Sunshine Band aren't going anywhere either. All good!

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 19:19pm


Anyone else have thoughts on my predictions thing. This'll probably be the last time I ask, I don't want to end up spamming the same message over and over like Richie.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 04/5/2023 @ 19:57pm


Does Olivia Newton - john have a chance to be inducted? She has good sales and seems to have influence on people younger than her.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 03:29am


souljah,

In that case LOL. Its cool and hilarious, You know your Old stuff that's why it threw me. We haven't really chatted direct before this. I think we were originally from same era. 1970's-early 80s. It was a glorious time. My Fav artists of all time-The Who, Eric Clapton, Neil Young, Gr Dead, Moody Blues, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Earth Wind & F, Steely Dan, Heart, Talking Heads, the Pretenders, Blondie, etc etc. Grew up on those and 2000 others similar.

Now then getting right into predictions. Jethro T is likely as a Nominee. I own lotsss of albums of them. Many focus on Ian Anderson with Tull. But it is the whole band inducted for sure. And ELP and Kansas could be nominated in near future tooo. How about Supertramp?? They had key album with Breakfast in America but Crime of the Century was somewhat key toooo. Dreamer was a common tune when I was young.
I will extend to other Classic rock- Bad Company , Boz Scaggs, Grand Funk Railroad. Of these Bad Co will be nominated I'd say. Boz Scaggs and Grand Funk Railroad strictly M Excellence. LETS TALK about these

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 03:49am


Power

Not unless they're inducting john Travolta with her. 99.9% of her importance to pop can be summed up as she was in the movie grease, maybe the most conservative rock n roll film ever.

Unless until meat loaf, who was in a much less conservative and far more influential rock n roll musical of the same era, is in I don't see it happening.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 08:28am


Souljah

Max martin is definitely a strong contender for non performer. The only issue I see is the hall doesn't seem interested in inducting producers and contributors (aside from execs) who became active after 1980 right now. Rick Rubin, max martin, Diane Warren, David Fincher, Sean Combs (who should go in non performer but could get another place) all are worthy but seem behind a long list of 60s and 70s guys. The fact Jann is on the committee last we heard (not counting Richie's rumour find) could be a factor.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 08:41am


soulja,

I suspect we have similar music knowledge. Before further predictions. I want to ask you about recent inductees.
Do you know significantly about the Moody Blues, the Cars, Dire Straits, Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music, the Zombies, Doobie Brothers, T Rex, Duran, Duran, Nina Simone, Tina Turner, Carole King, Pat Benatar, Carly Simon, Lionel Richie. I know a lot about alll these. Let me know hear from ya. I LOOK FORWARD

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 10:50am


I was visiting a friend in Cleveland several years ago and he asked if I wanted to visit the Hall of Fame.
Me: Are The Spinners in yet? Then I'm not setting foot in there. Their continued exclusion is a travesty.
The early to mid 1970s were dominated by Stevie, Elton John, McCartney and The Spinners. If you remove either of them, you have a whole different, less fun, decade.

Posted by Shaft on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 11:53am


Mat r,

I do think there should be some kind of exhibit in the RRHOF about the music movies of the late 70s/early 80s. Grease, Fame, Flashdance, Saturday Night Fever, Footloose--maybe it's because that's in so many wheelhouses of people who are impressionable to the music era that is being discussed with ONJ, but I agree. If she is influential, so are Kenny Loggins, Irene Cara and Michael Sembello...it was a fun ride (and I was very young at this point, so my memories are vague and going mainly from stories), but it was a brief period and not as enduring as nostalgic

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 13:41pm


Shaft,

I do think they waited too long to nominate Spinners. If they did it somwhere in 2000s like they did O'jays or Little Anthony I think they would have hit that prime spot of R&B vocal groups from that era getting in the hall and also would have had majority (if not all) of the nominated members alive instead of just one.

Don't know what the holdup is after 4 nominations though, they should have been in by now. Though this year is so strong too I don't think they'll do it this time either .

Posted by Guest on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 19:06pm


Guest,
Both Rock Legends and Rap are actually to blame. Most of my favs are the Classic Rock legends. NOT a Rap fan. The Spinners got lost in the shuffle due to those 2 Genres. Heyy I crusaded for the Moody Blues , Chicago and Dire Straits. But that's what caused the delay.I got to admit IT caused Delay for the Spinners and NWA, etc did tooo.!

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 20:49pm


K dawg

The rock hall should do a defining films that rock list as voted by rock hall voters. Be cool to see what they pick.

Onj definitely is someone's whose real influence, outside of easy listening (where she's hardly at the front of the line if they start doing that), can be summed up as she was in a movie that is iconic. Recognize the movie not the stars.

Now there are people with heavy movie links who there are cases for, you mention Loggins and I think he's actually got a decent argument, but there are a lot of rock movies that are as important to rock as the stars.

The hall probably could do a lot with movies and should. I imagine if they wanted to they could partner with the academy museum in l.a. and create touring exhibits centred around like easy Rider, performance, rocky horror, house party, and mamma mia.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 22:32pm


I have the mother of all controversial artists in mind for a real shot at the rrhof around 2040.

Cardi B. Anyone agree? She definitely has influenced a lot so far

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/6/2023 @ 23:12pm


Hey Guys,

BoyGenius (aka Btravll (https://twitter.com/Btravll from Twitter and brucewayneofgotham from (https://forums.stevehoffman.tv said the following comments on (https://forums.stevehoffman.tv and on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Btravll regarding inside information about the 2023 voting (https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/ and (https://twitter.com/Btravll/with_replies and they are:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-90

rumor I have been told Willie is leading , on the ballots , already turned in

From what I am hearing the biggest thing hurting Kate Bush is the support on the early ballots of Missy , Cyndi , and Sheryl

rumor mill , Cyndi is only trailing Willie , right now she is looking like a lock

He also said this about Kate Bush's chances this year as well:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-91

I think you are going to be out of luck it is not looking good based on the early ballot return

though more then half of the ballots are still out there so you never know

He also said this about ballots this year and Rock And Roll Globe's predictions for the 2023 inductees:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/theads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-93

1250 this year , aprx
there are a bunch of private FB Groups were things were discussed by members that probably shouldn't be usually though , 90%+ of what is stated when it comes to numbers is accurate

and yes, she who will remain nameless (He's talking about Amy Linden) was ripped , beyond anything I ever seen in the FB Groups
we all know she was trying to build her podcast audience

she has quit the 2 main private FB groups with Rock Hall members

Handicapping the 2023 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees - Rock And Roll Globe (https//rockandrollglobe.com/music-journalism-handicapping-the-2023-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/ I agree with 6 of the 7 he predicts (That guy's predicting Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon and he agrees with him on Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon) but he wrong about George Michael

he lists him dead last in his odds

also based on the early returns (about 35%, I am told)
George is a lock , and the Spinners are looking good

everyone is stating there are 8 artists who have separated from the rest (the 8 artists being Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon)
so usually they look at were the first big voting gap after 5 so electing 8 is very possible

but again a lot of votes to count yet

He also said this about Kate Bush being an unknown to most Americans including the people voting and also Warren Zevon's chances this year as well:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-94

I will tell you how unknown Kate Bush is to most Americans , including the people voting

they were discussing the 2024 Ballot and debating Keith Sweat , Maxwell , Gerald Levert , New Edition (and Bobby) , Boyz II Men and ..... D'Angelo

It is looking good , still a lot of ballots , are still out

He also said this about Missy Elliott's chances this year as well:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-96

It is looking pretty good for her.

He also said this about acts being frontrunners this year and people will be really upset if Kate Bush is inducted before Dionne Warwick, Diana Ross (solo) and Roberta Flack as well:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-97

really hard to call as everyone is wondering , where will the break be?

From what has been leaked Willie and Cyndi are looking very good.
Missy and George are in the next group.
Could we see as many as 7 or 8 or 9 voting inductee's?
It all depends on were the "gap" is after the Top 5?
If the gap is only 2% between #5 and #9 , how do you say no to #9?
Also the late vote is so different from the early vote , at times?
Why? A lot of theories , but nothing conclusive.

I will tell you on the private FB pages. Many people have stated that they will be really upset if Kate is inducted before Dionne , Diana and Roberta. For whatever reason , even the people that actually vote, bring stuff like this up , all the time.

He also said this about people attacking Howard Stern for his thinking that Soundgarden were more deserving than The Spinners as well:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-98

And they were on attack against "Howard Stern" this past week, for his thinking that Soundgarden were more deserving then the Spinners.
As someone pointed out , one group (he's talking about Soundgarden) pretty much ended the "genre" they performed (Blues-Based Hard Rock)
the other group (he's talking about The Spinners) influenced countless other successful groups that followed.

He also said this about Kate Bush on Twitter in two tweets as well:

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1642240444472999937

@futurerocklgnds
@rockhall
If Kate Bush is elected this year (and truthfully , looking at the early vote , it will take a miracle for this to happen) , before Roberta Flack or Diana Ross (solo) , were ever on a ballot (and they would easily be 1st Ballot inductee's.. Pt1

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1642240825928171520

@futurerocklgnds

@rockhall
pt 2:
look for a major shake-up
in the non-talent voting panel

He also said this about The White Stripes's chances and how many inductees this year on Twitter as well:

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1641320620674646016

if they go with 7 or 8 voting inductions , they have a very good chance. It just depends were "the pack separation" happens , I think there is a very good chance , the larger gap will be between 8 and 9. So 8 inductees by voting , looks good

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/7/2023 @ 00:45am


So the person who claimed that Eurythmics actually won was fired? Is that what you're saying ritchie?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 04/7/2023 @ 01:00am


Follower,

No, She wasn't fired. She is still on the nominating committee and a voter as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/7/2023 @ 01:11am


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Roscoe on Friday, 04/7/2023 @ 03:14am


SPECIAL COMMITTEE 2
Steve Miller Band
The Jeff Beck Group
The Patti Smith Group
The Belmonts
The Silver Bullet Band
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Wings
The Wailers
Pete Best
Bob Welch
The Johnny Otis Orchestra
The Tijuana Brass
The Revolution

Posted by Roscoe on Friday, 04/7/2023 @ 03:24am


soulja,

I mention about. similar music knowledge. Before further predictions. I wanted to ask you about recent inductees.
It seems like you know significantly about the Moody Blues, the Cars, Dire Straits, Tina Turner, etc. I know the Name Older stuff the best. I gather the answer is YES. Ahh another great old Group. I'm a humorous guy Also. This lets me know what to expect with Predictions of youZ JETHRO TULL and ELP are 2 Terrific British bands with huge success in the 1970s HEAR from YA

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/7/2023 @ 04:14am


Roscoe

I'm 100% convinced sir Paul is trying to get wings (with himself as a member) on a ballot. He's gotta want to be a 3 time inductee and it's not like wings was just his backing group, he was a member and most of those albums and singles were simply credited to wings rather than Paul McCartney and wings.

I would not be shocked if we see them show up in the next few years and then we hear live and let die and band on the run at a ceremony.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/7/2023 @ 10:15am


Matt R,
Wings is an Ultimate pick by Special Committee to catch up bands with huge STARS. The last time it was done covered Early 1960s neglected bands. There was Miracles and the Crickets. Paul Mcartney was a member of Wings and most of those albums and singles were simply credited to WINGS rather than Paul McCartney and wings.
I would not be shocked if we see them show up in the next few years and then we hear BAND ON THE RUN and Listejn to WHAT the Man. SAID at a ceremony. I OWN BAND ON RUN, VENUS and Mars and have owned SPEED OF SOUND. I owned them since l long ago

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/7/2023 @ 10:31am


Mat R,

Ohh yeah the Special Committee Inducted E STREET BAND in 2014. They were Negelcted when Bruce Soringsteen was Inducted.
SOO WINGS could get the Musical Excellence treatment like Bruce's Band was. Since it's SIR PAÚL it's very likely. Others lead singers Bands to be Inducted are
STEVE MILLER BAND
SILVER BULLET band
Jeff Beck Group
Elton John's Band
THEM
the Mothers of Invention
Crazy Horse
the Revolution

Those should be Inducted how is that. This covers Bands of Big Stars for the 1960's and 70s

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/7/2023 @ 12:14pm


Ben

That's the thing with Wings. You don't need to induct them as a backing band cause Paul McCartney is a member of wings. You can put them on a ballot and rest assured they're going to get in because it's the last chance to honour a Beatle. I also think there's a sizable number of voters who don't want Eric Clapton (a guy who has largely seen his importance drop greatly in the 21st century) as the lone 3 time inductee.

Wings would go in as a performer and not need a special committee.

The hall does need to do a catch up with these backing bands especially head scratching snubs like the Steve miller band (easy way to get box Scaggs in), mothers of invention, crazy horse, and the Wailers. The exception to your list is The Revolution because they were just a touring band, prince played everything on record. I also can't see Jeff Beck group cause rod Stewart is already in twice and honestly I think Them should be done as part of a massive Early Influence thing with The Kingsmen, The Sonics, MC5, Amboy Dukes (time to shut the nuge up), Link Wray, and The Standells

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 04/7/2023 @ 13:07pm


Matt R,

That's right with Wings. You don't need to induct them as a backing band cause Paul McCartney is a member of Wings. You can put them on a ballot and You are right they're going to get in. It's Hypothetical. Although I don't think there too many voters who don't want Eric Clapton as the lone 3 time inductee. I don't think they care about that. You are talking to an All time E Clapton fan. Me yours truly. BUT Sir Paul can easily be inducted with Wings.

Yeah that's true I agree Now Wings would go in as a Performer. BUT its HYPOTHETICAL. I am NOT sure the Hall is looking to do that. They may NOT want to bother. BUT if the hall wants this its 2024-2026. Sir Paul is 81 Right NOW.

As far was the Backing bands. I did NOT know that about the Revolution. I know Purple rain and a couple other albums of Prince said Prince and the Revolution. And a good point on Them. A massive early influence is Good idea with the Kingsmen, the Sonics, etc. Alright coool

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 06:35am


They will not induct Wings (or as a main performer with Paul and not just as a music excellence backing band) for one reason - They intentionally have all Beatles in twice (once as a band, once for their solo careers) and do not want to make the association of putting Paul to a higher level then the rest

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 06:45am


Guest

Definitely a possibility but I also think the hall, even this be very MTV one, would love to have a Beatle on stage and I'm sure Paul would want wings, especially Linda, honoured + the ego boost of 3 times.

There's also the Eric Clapton factor. He's not that well liked anymore so he's kind of a bad face of the ultimate hall of famer status. There's not many people who could realistically be a 3 timer and of those who could Paul is probably the most likable.

Plus "jet" freaking slaps

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 08:16am


Mat R,

I think this can go either way. But I lean to it as a good idea. It would certainly boost ratings at the Ceremony. It depends on the Hall's intentions. I now think its either a likely Nominee or Not at alll. NOT under Special Category. It's likely an idea they discuss and NOT do. The Hall is probably content with the band Wings Under Paul McCartney.
A Late 1960s and 70s edition of Backing bands is Very likely though. Steve Miller Band and Mothers of Invention need to be corrected. I am going to make list similar to King of Future Prospects. We move on

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 08:59am


Hey Guys,

I have to tell you that according to BoyGenius (aka Btravll from Twitter (https://twitter.com/Btravll and brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv , about 35% of official ballots have returned (out of almost 1400 ballots) and there are 8 artists who have separated from the rest in the official voting and they are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

All of them are looking real good for induction and getting voted in this year for 2023.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 11:56am


When the result will be given? In May 5th?

Posted by drivingforce on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 12:00pm


I think after Crow and Lauper are in, Alanis Morissette will be doing inducted in 24 or 25.

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 14:09pm


Richie I don't believe any rumors about leaks from Twitter or any other media. It could be like the burner account from last year being wrong. We'll have to wait and see what the real results are in three weeks. That's what I think.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 14:59pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

SPECIAL COMMITTEE 2
Steve Miller Band
The Jeff Beck Group
The Patti Smith Group
The Belmonts
The Silver Bullet Band
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Wailers
The Mothers of Invention
Crazy Horse
The Revolution

Posted by Roscoe on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 15:24pm


Greg F,

I'm saying it for the last time, This is not the burner account from last year being wrong again, This is coming from inside information from a Rock Hall source, I really truly believe it 100%.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 15:28pm


I'm still skeptical about it. Did say how their got the info?

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 15:56pm


Mat R, Ben, Others,

I don't spend much time on these boards, although it is all very fascinating. My apologies, I am not trying to ignore anyone. I actually go back to the '60s, so have a wide range of appreciation. Regarding Tull, ELP, I think at the least they should get a couple nominations. If the voters don't like them so be it. I really am bothered by the veto power wielded by a few committee members. King Crimson, Styx, Monkees, PR & Raiders, TJ&Shondells, Foreigner also at least deserve a vote.

As to Wings, interesting. If the prior inclusion of backing bands is any guide, Paul won't be a member. I think the problem there is that if you induct him as a member of Wings (and Paul McCartney and Wings) then what is his solo induction for? I suspect it is an uphill climb. OTOH he sells tickets and gets viewers (see Ringo Starr) so never say never!

Lastly I appreciate the comments on Max Martin, and the others listed by Mat R. All good choices. As an old guy (sorry!) I would also ask that folks consider John Mayall, Graham Bond, Cyril Davies and Alexis Korner. These guys were vital parts of the British scene that brought the Stones, Cream, Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac and a whole bunch of other folks.

Regarding The Revolution, they did play on Purple Rain and some on Around The World..., but not as regular as some others, including New Power Generation.

Regarding snubs, a coupe I would add are Bob Welch (FM), Gram Parsons (Byrds), Vernon Jones (Coasters). If all of Funkadelic/Parliament(s) can get in, the Mothers should get some of their members in. Captain Beefheart if nothing else.

Again, just thoughts, everybody under consideration is more qualified than I am!

Posted by souljah on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 17:58pm


Souljah

I would say, if we're talking classic records, McCartney solo was for ram, McCartney 1 and 2 and such and wings is for band on the run and live and let die and such and what not.

The main issue I see with breaking them up is wingspan which paints wings as a part of McCartney solo

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 19:12pm


Greg f

I think Richie said it was info the leaker got from Facebook groups at are popular with voters.

I'm very skeptical of it cause the info presented is pretty easy to predict and not too radical (the spinners being among the contenders is the biggest shock and pretty much everyone labeled them the most likely dark horse). The shake up comment is interesting but again predictable. I do however really wanna believe the Amy Linden hate stuff.

The biggest question I have is is this source Richie has a voter and if not how is he in these groups?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 19:48pm


If Motley Crue were to make the ballot, would they be inducted right away?

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 20:04pm


Mat R,

No, He's not a voter, but he has seen the voting totals and the voting results for the last 10+ years

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-37

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/8/2023 @ 20:48pm


soulja,
Regarding ,Tull, ELP, I agree at the least they should get a couple nominations. If the voters don't like them so be it. I really am bothered by the rejection wielded by a few committee members. King Crimson, Styx, Kansas, Supertamp, TJ&Shondells, Foreigner also at least deserve a vote.

Ive given up on the Monkees for the Voting body BUT Early Influence is strong possibility as well as Paul R & the Raiders. I know the achievments of John Mayall, Alexis Korner and Graham Bond. Especially John Mayall. John Mayall's Bluebreakers were amazing in the 1960s. I own the album with Mr E Clapton released in 1966. I know that they started the British scene that brought the Stones, Cream, Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac and a whole bunch of other folks. We could perhaps throw Ten years After in there. This is an early scene I know a lot about.

As far as the Revolution I thought they were with Prince longer. I will have to read on this a lot more. I know Partial history of Prince not a whole thing. I guess the Revolution were gone by the time of Sign O the Times.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 03:21am


I believe my own gut over Richie's latest leak

Sorry.

And as far as snubs, Wings, the Wailers, Steve Miller's Band, the Silver Bullet Band, and I'm missing someone, all should've gone in with their respective lead singer/frontmen. By proxy, the Hall screwed up royally again last year by omitting the rest of the Commodores in favor or a solo Lionel Richie first.

Especially Peter Tosh. Good lord, RRHOF...I hang my head in eternal disbelief

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 04:44am


Richie, let us see what final result is and then we can make a judgement for the rumor.

Richie, what is your prediction for future possible Ahmet Ertegun awards?

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 06:42am


The Steve Miller Band feels oddly the weirdest cause it literally happened a year after Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, and Stevie Ray Vaughan.

Like what the hell? I think Steve Miller has fewer solo albums than Joan Jett. Did Boz Scaggs really piss off Jann that much by ditching him for Jane?

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 08:37am


Current top 8 in fan vote are:
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Warren Zevon
Iron Maiden
Soundgarden
Willie Nelson
Kate Bush
JD/NO

In 2022, top 8 in fan vote are all inducted. How many of top 8 will be inducted in 2023.

Posted by driving force on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 12:29pm


driving force,

I think only George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon and Willie Nelson, with Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, The Spinners and The White Stripes also getting inducted this year as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 13:35pm


Well I do think there's going to be 5 to 7 performers inducted this year, but 8 is very unlikely. I mean when was the last time the Hall inducted an 8 performer class.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 14:53pm


Also, the Fan Vote doesn't always guarantee induction because it's going to be like the People's Choice Awards where it's based on popularity. Do we need to go back to 2020 when DMB ended up being in 1st but not being voted for the honor.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 15:02pm


Ron Jenkins,

I think what Driving Force meant is that last year, the first 8 acts in the fan vote got inducted. 7 in the performers category and Judas Priest in the musical excellence category.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 15:03pm


Ron Jenkins,

I agree that the fan vote is meaningless. It's really the nominating committee that holds all the cards. I still haven't forgave them for snubbing Dave Matthews Band.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 15:06pm


Only a few weeks left until the announcement and this is my final predictions:

Here We Go!

Performers:

Missy Elliott
Kate Bush (might go to musical excellence)
Willie Nelson (might go to early influence)
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Sheryl Crow
The White Stripes

Early Influence:

The Spinners (might go to either performers or musical excellence)

Musical Excellence:

Warren Zevon (might go to performers)

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 15:23pm


My revised predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-93

everyone is stating there are 8 artists who have separated from the rest (the 8 artists being Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon)
so usually they look at were the first big voting gap after 5 so electing 8 is very possible

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1641320620674646016

I think there is a very good chance , the larger gap will be between 8 and 9. So 8 inductees by voting , looks good

BoyGenius (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll and brucewayneofgotham from https://forums.stevehoffman.tv said these comments on forums.stevehoffman.tv as brucewayneofgotham and on Twitter as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 15:45pm


Matt R,

Excellent Point about Steve Miller Band. They had great music 1968-88. But Just so you know Boz Scaggs left Steve Miller Band in 1969 before they were even huge. Gary Mallaber and Lonnie Turner were the keys guys of the Famous Steve Miller Band. soulja would know this. Don't you soulja. Heyy if soulja knows John Mayall he knows the Steve Miller band lineups. Steve Miller Band were in the American Blues rock scene. And then got huge with the Joker

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 16:08pm


Elle Dee,

I think you're way overestimating Kate Bush's chances of induction as a Performer this year because according to BoyGenius (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll and brucewayneofgotham from https://forums.stevehoffman.tv ) He said the following comments on forums.stevehoffman.tv about her showing in the official voting in the past and also this year as well:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-35

Kate Bush was near the very bottom , the last 3 times , she was on a ballot (in fact dead last , two times)

https://forum.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-40

Dead last two times in the official voting
2nd from the bottom the other time
No "American" acts that are voting (the majority of the inductees are American)
have any idea she is
like I stated , they know the Maxwell cover version , more then anything she has recorded

He also said that Kate Bush is dead last in the voting again this year and her chances are not looking good this year as well:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/lps-that-have-not-held-their-value-over-the-decades.1170555/page-12:

Currently , she is dead last in the RNR HOF voting , by the voter that returned the ballot early.

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-90:

From what I am hearing the biggest thing hurting Kate Bush is the support on the early ballots of Missy , Cyndi , and Sheryl

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-91:

I think you are going to be out of luck it is not looking good based on the early ballot return

He also said this about Kate Bush and her chances this year on Twitter as well:

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1642240444472999937

If Kate Bush is elected this year (and truthfully , looking at the early vote , it will take a miracle for this to happen) ,

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 16:49pm


Ben,

Yes I am familiar with the Steve Miller lineups, and Boz was only really there for Children and Sailor. However, those are pretty seminal for Steve Miller. Agree that Lonnie and Malabar had more time with him. Boz is interesting because he was a highly regarded solo artist as well, even before Silk Degrees. Loan Me A Dime was all over FM radio in its time, and Boz was doing the brass blues band thing with the best of them. Kind of like Butterfield with better singing but not the great harp playing. I would not mind seeing Boz in, but he is a little hard to categorize. He might be a ME type, but again Wenner could just be being a pain here.

Posted by souljah on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 17:14pm


Ellee Dee,

Great comments, I like our predictions. I think Willie is a lock, so the Early Influence probably does not apply. As I have said, I think he gets all the Dolly vote, plus the stoner voe, the jam band and the singer/songwriter vote. But he goes back to the fifties (Crazy, Four Walls, Funny How Time Slips Away) so Early Influence is not out of the question. I think he should have been in a long time ago. Assuming he is in, it'll be interesting to see what other C&W types follow. I assume Garth, Waylon, The Chicks, and maybe Loretta Lynn, Conway Twitty or Marty Robbins.

Posted by souljah on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 17:20pm


Mat R,

The biggest challenge I have with McCartney is the fairly broad coverage he got for his solo induction. Not only did Neil Young cover everything including Beatles work, but even the essay covered a lot of the Wings stuff. It certainly made it seem like he was being honored for more than just the solo and/or Linda work. The Hall can do whatever they want, and they certainly have shown capriciousness in the past so anything is possible. I personally don't think he has two Hall-worthy non-Beatle careers, but I am on record as being unenthusiastic about multiple inductions in general, Young and Gabriel notwithstanding. Good comments though.

Posted by souljah on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 17:58pm


Richie,

Well according to this brucewayneofgotham dude, he alleges that the committee are going nuts over the facts that there are so many artists that have been overlooked for so long and wonders if this year could be a repeat of 2012. Now, there were a BUNCH of inductees that year - 12 acts in the Performers category (including my personal favorite Laura Nyro), 3 acts in musical excellence, Freddie King in early influence, and one person in the Ahmet Ertegun category.

I'm not holding my breath on what that person is saying. What he posted about the supposed leak was back in March. This is April. A lot has probably happened. I'm sticking to my prediction. As I stated with Kate, I put in parentheses that she might end up in musical excellence and that's a realistic possibility.

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-98

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 18:43pm


Elle Dee,

My revised predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

I think that since there are 8 artists who have separated from the rest in the official voting according to BoyGenius (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll and brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv and there is a very good chance that the larger gap in the official voting this year will be between 8 and 9, I think there will be 8 inductees this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 18:57pm


souljah

Another country artist (I don't really consider her country) that I want to see get inducted is Bobbie Gentry. She's been overlooked by the hall for so long, it's such a travesty. This woman is the Godmother of Americana Music.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 19:11pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

SPECIAL COMMITTEE 2
Steve Miller Band
The Jeff Beck Group
The Patti Smith Group
The Belmonts
The Silver Bullet Band
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Wailers
The Mothers of Invention
Crazy Horse
The Revolution

Posted by Roscoe on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 19:42pm


Wings

Posted by Roscoe on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 19:45pm


richie,

Give your source a rest. I know what he claimed, you stated it already.

Joy Division/New Order is getting in this year slam dunk, so obviously this "source" is disinformed.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 21:54pm


K-Dawg,

For the last time, JD/NO are not getting in this year, It looks like Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon are getting in this year based on Boy Genius (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll and brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv 's inside information regarding the 2023 official voting as these are the 8 artists who have separated from the rest in the official voting this year and there is a very good chance that the larger gap will be between 8 and 9 in the official voting this year so 8 inductees by voting is looking real good this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 22:33pm


Richie,

Once again, no way there's going to be an 8 performer class since it's only 14 nominees.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 22:37pm


Ron Jenkins,

but BoyGenius (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll and brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv said the following comments about 8 inductees in the official voting this year on forums.stevehoffman.tv and on Twitter as well:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads-2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-93

everyone is stating there are 8 artists who have separated from the rest (the 8 artists being Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon)
so usually they look at were the first big voting gap after 5 so electing 8 is very possible

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1641320620674646016

I think there is a very good chance , the larger gap will be between 8 and 9. So 8 inductees by voting , looks good

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 22:51pm


Dude, I haven't seen no source about this since it's full of errors. You had to have a legitimate source in order to prove the point, otherwise your statements based on what you're seeing are moot/inaccurate. And because there's only less than 15 artists on the ballot, only 5 or 6 would get elected as performers. So far, the only guarantees for induction are Willie Nelson & Kate Bush, the rest are a hit or miss.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 23:10pm


Ron Jenkins,

but I have to respectfully disagree with you, I really truly believe it, It's not full of errors, and I think that 8 inductees is looking real good this year based on that inside information that BoyGenius (aka Btravll rom Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll and brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv ) shared.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 23:37pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

SPECIAL COMMITTEE 2
Patti Smith Group
Steve Miller Band
Silver Bullet Band
Mothers of Invention
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Revolution
The Wailers
The Belmonts
Wings
Pete Best
Bob Welch
Crazy Horse

Posted by Roscoe on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 23:42pm


Heyy Here's a TOP 20 of Ben Music Artists I'd like to see Inducted next 5-10 Years.
1. Soundgarden
2. Counting Crows
3. Shawn Colvin
4. Jethro Tull
5. Atlantic Starr
6. Black Crowes
7. Mariah Carey
8. Kool & the Gang
9. Queensryche
10. Blood, Sweat & Tears
11. Harry Chapin
12. Garth Brooks
13. Whitesnake
14. Billy Idol
15. the Guess Who
16. Johnny Winter
17. Steve Winwood
18. ELP
19. Supertramp
20. Styx

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/9/2023 @ 23:45pm


Richie, I can also use an account and say I obtain leaked information. It is very easy technically. I can also say I have contacted with voters and just share my own opinions. Let the result speak for itself in May.

Posted by driving force on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 00:07am


You say the last time. Yet you will say it again...and again..

I am going to doubt this "Boy Genius" (what a self-gloss) until it's proven right. I will go with my gut. Sorry if I'm coming off as disrespectful, but someone has taken over the board with their cut an paste response, and it's quite frustrating...

I stand by my prediction of Joy Division/New Order based on trends. I've been wrong before, but I predicted Eurythmics and Carly Simon last year and was in the minority. I think they get in

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 00:53am


K-Dawg,

Joy Division/New Order look to be out of it this year along with Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden and A Tribe Called Quest according to BoyGenius (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll and brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv )'s inside information regarding about the 2023 official voting, so it looks like Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, The Spinners, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon will end up being the 2023 inductees as these are the 8 artists who have separated from the rest in the official voting according to BoyGenius (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll and brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv )'s inside information regarding about the 2023 official voting and there is a very good chance that the larger gap will be between 8 and 9 in the official voting this year so 8 inductees is looking real good this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 01:21am


Richie- did you just really copy and paste a response to someone saying you repeat yourself and copy and paste your responses again and again?

Give it a rest. Take a day off. Jesus.

Posted by DC on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 01:27am


Yes, richie is just repeating again and again and does not answer the questions by others exactly. Just copy and paste the same thing all the time.

Posted by driving force on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 01:44am


soulja,

What do you think of my list of 20 artistes to be inducted in the Next 5-10 years. Blood, sweat & Tears is a great pick pf the 1960s. I am sure yu know several albums by them. The most notable is the self titled of 1969. Harry Chapin, Garth Brooks, Whitesnake and Billy Idol are other likely ones that I hope for yu to reflect on. Ahh and the Guess Who. Are they more 1960s or 70s. The Guess Who had hits up to 1974 with Clap of the Wolfman. I would love to hear your thoughts on these. And the others I LIST

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 02:34am


Oh really bro, because I clicked one of the links you shared & it has an error. The other ones have no actual proof!

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 06:25am


I just joined this discussion forum & yet I've seen so much repetitive comments coming from one or two members.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 06:28am


Welcome to the club, Ron.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 06:46am


K-Dawg,

Agree on Peter Tosh, and it wouldn't hurt to give Toots &the Maytals a nomination just to see if there was any interest as well. It is almost like the Hall decided that Marley and Cliff are the only reggae artists out there.

Posted by souljah on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 07:41am


I have obtained the information that the hall will induct 6 artists in main category, 3 in early influence, 3 in musical excellence and 1 in Ahmet Ertegun award.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 07:54am


I think Brian Eno should be inducted as soon as possible. Brian Eno may be the most influential musician after 70s. He has successful art rock albums which are influential to post-punk and new wave artists. Then, he makes definition to what we called ambient music, which is influential to many electronic artists. He is also one of the most successful producers, he has made albums for many important artists like Bowie, Devo, Talking Heads, U2 and Coldplay. I think he should be in as solo artists as soon as possible. It is ridiculous for him not in. If Todd Rundgren can be inducted, Brian Eno should be inducted as well.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 07:59am


Elle Dee,

Re Bobbie Gentry, interesting choice. I personally would not rate her as high as some of others I mentioned, but her impact on Americana is thought provoking. At the time C&W was mostly countrypolitan, and she, along with The Band, John Hartford and others certainly had an impact. Even artists like CCR and John Denver figure into that mix. She could be hurt a little by the (unfair) perception that she was a one-hit wonder, and also that she was pretty reclusive. I could see her getting in though.

Posted by souljah on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 08:03am


Power

Brian Eno is in as a member of Roxy Music. It kind of seems like the Hall did that to cover him as he was in Roxy Music for only a second (similar members weren't inducted).

Eno should get the AME but I'm kind of doubtful they do after the Roxy Induction.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 08:22am


Ben,

Interesting list, my comments on each, FWIW
1. Soundgarden -- Been nominated, probably will continue to be
2. Counting Crows -- Not sure. They fit into the Wilco and My Morning Jacket category, which will get some support
3. Shawn Colvin -- Good choice, but she will find a lot of competition in 90's woman category
4. Jethro Tull -- As I have said, should at least get a vote
5. Atlantic Starr -- Pretty unlikely, if Chic isn't in I don't see these guys
6. Black Crowes -- Tough call. I wouldn't put them in, but they have a classic rock credibility, and that counts for a lot
7. Mariah Carey -- She will get in
8. Kool & the Gang -- As I have stated above, should get a vote
9. Queensryche -- Good band, but I thin there are too many equally good ones, they don't set themselves apart enough. At least from my point of view.
10. Blood, Sweat & Tears -- A little surprised they did not get a vote, I know they have come up in committee. Highly influential in their time, the first two albums are classics. But the same people that locked out Chicago for so long may be doing the same here.
11. Harry Chapin -- I consider him as important as Warren Zevon, but I know I am in the minority on that. He did win a Billboard Century award, and I would vote for him. But his style of long stories doesn't fit well historically with the committee
12. Garth Brooks -- As stated above, assuming Willie is in Garth is very likely to follow shortly. Doing the Kiss tribute can only help his cause!
13. Whitesnake -- I wouldn't vote for them, too much like Deep Purple light. But I may be biased because when I saw them live they were unremarkable. The best thing about them is Coverdale, and I thin he is in as member of DP, if memory serves.
14. Billy Idol -- OK, but I don't think he rises to HOF level. But he has some new wave creds along with Classic Rock, and he is very iconic, and that fits well with the kind of artist the committee likes.
15. the Guess Who -- Not only big stars in US, huge in Canada. They should get a vote at least.
16. Johnny Winter -- I am astonished that he has not gotten a vote. The blues guitarist is a staple of the Hall. And Edgar deserves a vote as well. He was extremely influential in the merging of blues and rock in US, and invented the portable keyboard that became a staple for a lot artists.
17. Steve Winwood -- Been nominated, might get an ME at some point. Certainly more deserving than Ringo, but won't sell nearly as many tickets.
18. ELP -- Deserves a vote
19. Supertramp -- Same
20. Styx -- Same. Voters may not want them, and that is fine, but they should get a shot. Some times I think the committee is afraid that too many popular acts will get in and dilute it somehow.

Good list, thanks for sharing.

Posted by souljah on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 08:27am


BlueOysterCult,

Where did you get that information about 6 inductees in the main Performers category, 3 in the Early Influence category, 3 in the Musical Excellence category and 1 in the Ahmet Ertegun Award category this year?. Also, What are the voting results so far for the 2023 induction?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 08:54am


I am familiar with some people in the committee and they told me this will be a relatively small class.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 09:52am


BlueOysterCult,

What are the voting results for the 2023 induction so far?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 09:58am


As of now, the result is very competitive. I just know that the class will be small. Information about the voting process can not be leaked as of now. I also have heard that the committee would like to push for the case of Mary J. Blige in the future.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 10:04am


BlueOysterCult,

Which of the 14 nominees this year (Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon) are very competitive in the results for the 2023 induction so far?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 10:19am


A Tribe Called Quest is a dark horse. Many people are underestimating their chance I think.
I like the chance of Warren Zevon, Willie Nelson and George Michael. This is not the "result" and the final result may have difference I think.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 10:41am


richie,

If he knows it's in his best interests not to tell. It's for a reason.I'm just glad he stopped your twitter twit blurb lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 10:43am


BlueOysterCult,

What about Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners and The White Stripes in regards to their chances this year based on the voting results so far?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 10:48am


BlueOysterCult

To your knowledge, are any of the Musical Excellence or Early Influence inductees artists that are either on this year's ballots or were on previous ballots? There has been speculation that Kate Bush may be inducted in ME if she doesn't get the votes this year. Other possible contenders for side category inductions include Chaka Khan, Devo, MC5, and New York Dolls.

Posted by Guest on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 11:32am


As I have said before, the voting is competitive and the result will be changed in last minutes.

The result of side categories will depend on the result of voting of performers. For example, if Bush is ranked about 7-9th in voting, she may be given another chance for inducted in main category. If she is hard to get votes and ranked 11-14th, she may be inducted in side category as committee will waste no time of voting her again.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 12:04pm


Some people in the committee are pushing for more nominations so that more artists can be inducted per year as there is a long list of snubs.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 12:10pm


BlueOysterCult,

Are you the person that ran the burner account last year on Twitter https://twitter.com/rockhallburner1 ?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 12:21pm


Current members in nomination committee do not like AOR/pop rock/soft rock stuffs and artists like Boston, Styx, Foreigner may never get nominated. They think this kind of genre is well represented by artists like Journey, Double Brothers and Chicago. Jethro Tull, ELP, King Crimson, Bad Company and the Guess Who may never obtain a nomination in the future as current nomination committee will focus more on artists in 80s and 90s.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 12:21pm


Richie, I am not that person.

I just provide some inner perspectives for possible nomination.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 12:25pm


BlueOysterCult,

Are you ABC/Power?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 12:50pm


I am new in this forum. What are you saying? Who is ABC/Power?

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 13:10pm


BlueOysterCult,

What do you think of Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners and The White Stripes's chances this year?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 13:31pm


I wonder if Btravll is as full of it as the burner guy was.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 15:12pm


BlueOysterCult,

You'll have to forgive our little parrot. He likes to repeat things occasionally. And he's a bit of an eccentric.

Follower,

Time will tell.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 15:32pm


The idea of the nom com dismissing the idea of inducting Jethro Tull, The Guess Who, and King Crimson is really disappointing. Sure, you can give guys like Robert Fripp or Randy Bachman "Musical Excellence" prizes in the future but Jethro Tull has the potential to be one of those bands that can get inducted on their first nomination and they're just not going to do it because "well we already have Genesis, Yes, and The Moody Blues in so that fills out our prog rock quota." That mentality is so lame.

Posted by Guest on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 15:45pm


The idea of the nom com dismissing the idea of inducting Jethro Tull, The Guess Who, and King Crimson is really disappointing. Sure, you can give guys like Robert Fripp or Randy Bachman "Musical Excellence" prizes in the future but Jethro Tull has the potential to be one of those bands that can get inducted on their first nomination and they're just not going to do it because "well we already have Genesis, Yes, and The Moody Blues in so that fills out our prog rock quota." That mentality is so lame.

Posted by Guest on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 15:45pm


I'll also add my comments to Ben's list.

1. Soundgarden: I could definitely see them getting inducted, it's just a matter of when.

2. Counting Crows: This is going to be tricky for them because the voting committee didn't take Dave Matthews Band too seriously when they were nominated thus ended up not being inducted despite winning the fan vote. Based on that situation alone, Counting Crows' chances for consideration is 20% at the slightest.

3. Shawn Colvin: Despite winning 3 Grammys, Shawn Colvin is one of those acts who defined cotemporary music in the 90's but overall lacked influence, cultural impact & her work isn't historically relevant. With that said, she's not going to even be nominated let alone inducted.

4. Jethro Tull: Now I don't mind if Tull gets a nod but I highly doubt I'll happen because the eligibility date is 25 years after the first album & it's been 55 years since the band's debut. Considering the fact bands like Kraftwerk & Judas Priest (whose debuts were released in 1970 & 74 respectively) ended up not being voted in as performers rather being in through Early Influence & Musical Excellence after multiple tries goes to show the 70's as a whole are over for election process & Jethro Tull would pretty much head the same route as those 2 bands. Heck I've seen no artists advocating for their inclusion.

5. Atlantic Starr: Good band but not enough credentials to earn the honor.

6. Black Crowes: This one is very hard to ponder, BC's music is good & might receive the nomination but they also might have a same problem as the Counting Crows.

7. Mariah Carey: She'll get there one day but it's a matter of time.

8. Kool & The Gang: Their consideration is a long shot but anything is possible.

9. Queensryche: Probably won't even be a mention to the nominating committee, but it's worth a shot.

10. Blood, Sweat & Tears: Probably a good example/suggestion for Musical Excellence but a performer is highly impossible.

11. Harry Chaplin: Yeah no.

12. Garth Brooks: Well it could be a possibility but we'll never know.

13. Whitesnake: No, David Coverdale already got inducted along with Deep Purple same as others like Ian Paice & Jon Lord plus you can say the same thing for Rainbow too with Ritchie Blackmore & Roger Glover. Let's just leave it at that.

14. Billy Idol: With George Michael & Cyndi Lauper being nominated, it's safe to say that Billy Idol will be in line after them in the long run.

15. The Guess Who: No, the 60's are over just like the 70's & Guess Who are not going to be heading the doors of nomination/induction.

16. Johnny Winter: Another perfect example of Musical Excellence.

17. Steve Winwood: He's been nominated once as solo artist & got inducted with Traffic. I don't see him getting a second try anytime next year.

18. ELO: Same as Jethro Tull.

19. Supertramp: Great band but only had 1 huge album plus no calls for induction.

20. Styx: No just because Styx have multi platinum albums doesn't make them considered for induction due to lack of influence, innovation & cultural/groundbreaking impact. Their time will never come either way or not.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 17:39pm


It is hard to say. It is very very competitive in this year, most of nominated artists have a chance and lots of things can change in last minutes. Richie, do not ask me the same question again as I have responded you before. I can only say Willie Nelson, George Michael have a good chance. Do not believe "so called" results from other sources, people can spread rumors easily.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 19:41pm


I have founded that the person richie mentioned and believed said that Mariah Carey and Chaka Chan will be on the ballot in 2023 (https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/predicting-the-rock-roll-hall-of-fames-2023-nominees-excellent-article.1161876/page-7). The final nomination does not have these two and his "information" seems to be ridiculous.

Posted by driving force on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 20:05pm


Hey Guys,

but I talked to him (brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll and BoyGenius from FRL) today on forums.stevehoffman.tv regarding inside information about the 2023 official voting https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.116615/ and he replied back to me and he said:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-98

from what people have stated in the FB Groups, Willie is still #1 , and by a lot. Cyndi strong at #2. RATM, Iron Maiden and Kate are battling for the bottom of the list, but even at the bottom , they are not far behind #3-#11. Tightest year , anyone can remember , though just on people that haven't mailed their ballots in , Missy and Sheryl , seem to be everywhere and they are currently #3 and #4.
Big push for female artists this year.
Don't count out the Spinners, a lot of people , think Stern and Robyn's (so many Black People in the FB Groups, think she is self-hating) racist rant last week , is probably going to help them in the late vote. Stern pissed off a lot of voters.
A lot of people thinking on the FB Groups , that the Hall is too white and too male. You have to be a "no-brainer" like Willie Nelson (who seems to be on everyone's ballot, no matter if you are male or female , black or white , gay or straight).
Unless Willie has a total collapse (which I don't see happening) , he should be booking flights for his entire extended family , today.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 20:30pm


I'll just say it. Just put Rage Against the Machine in Musical Excellence already. I think people are tired of seeing them on the ballot and if they get treated like regular inductees at the ceremony, it shouldn't matter. A lot of people say Rage is "too big" for Musical Excellence and it would expose how truly broken the voting system is but the Rock Hall brought it on themselves by starting this trend with LL Cool J. They made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

Posted by Guest on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 20:46pm


Richie, I have found that this person predict Chaka Chan and Mariah Carey in ballot in 2023 and his information is totally wrong. You should not repost his fake information again.

Posted by driving force on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 20:50pm


driving force,

but I have to respectfully disagree with you, His information is not totally wrong, nor is it fake, I think that it is 100% real, correct, true and realistic.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 20:54pm


Richie, you can see this page, he gave fake information. Chaka and Mariah Carey does not appear on 2023 ballot. He is just guessing and he has no real information.

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/predicting-the-rock-roll-hall-of-fames-2023-nominees-excellent-article.1161876/page-7#post-31154816

Posted by driving force on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 21:08pm


Driving Force,

And the dude also predicted Aaliyah, TLC, Mary J Blige, and Emmylou Harris as the nominees this year. He was so far off with the predictions.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 21:28pm


Guest

If rage need musical excellence then the hall's problems are worse than anyone could imagine. The hall would basically need to follow the academy's suit and purge older members or add an extreme number of new voters. I'm not even joking.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 21:30pm


driving force and Elle Dee,

I think that he is not just guessing and he has real information, He was so far off with the predictions, but he didn't gave fake information, He has real information regarding the 2023 official voting.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 21:57pm


Richie,

The bright lights are a little too bright. I think he's going to sell you beach front property in Nebraska too

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 22:18pm


Hey Guys,

About the 2023 Nominees, BoyGenius wrote:

The FutureRockLegends forecast by the voters. Out if these picks , Willie is the only one that will be inducted.
The others:
The Spinners
Missy Elliot
Cyndi Lauper
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
White Stripes
George Michael

8 inducted by the Voters

Artistic Merit : (maybe Maiden)
Dionne , Bacharach , Hal David
The Monkees
Chubby Checker

Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 05:11am

Yes, he's the same person (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll and brucewayneofgotham from https://forums.stevehoffman.tv ) that gives inside information regarding about the 2023 official voting as well as the voting totals and the voting results for the last 10+ years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 22:46pm


The problem with Rage is that they occupy an unusual space. It's very rare for an artist these days to be inducted via the ballot at 4+ nominations. You would think Tom Morello being in the nom com would move the needle but so far, no dice.

Posted by Guest on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 23:06pm


I'm bored so here's my 25 Wish List Inductees (all of whom are not nominated this year and using the 2024 eligibility)

1. The Kingsmen (as Early Influence)
2. Weezer
3. Wilco
4. Grace Jones
5. Throbbing Gristle (as Early Influence)
6. Thin Lizzy
7. Bjork
8. Guided by Voices
9. Serge Gainsbourg (as Early Influence)
10. Feist
11. Lucinda Williams
12. Current 93
13. Misfits
14. The B52s
15. The Guess Who
16. Wu-Tang Clan
17. Boston
18. Wendy Carlos (as Early Influence)
19. Boogie Down Productions
20. Motorhead
21. Harry Nillson
22. Outkast
23. Ice T
24. Devo
25. X-Ray Spex (as Early Influence)

Thoughts

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 04/10/2023 @ 23:13pm


Richie,

Did that new member BlueOysterCult just said about the information regarding the class from the committee since he knows some people from the group or you're just believing some rumor that's not even accurate. I just clicked on the links you shared & no where I've seen any factual information about the votes.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 00:30am


Ron Jenkins,

I'm just believing it and yes, I really truly believe that it is accurate, 100%.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 00:42am


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

SPECIAL COMMITTEE 2
Patti Smith Group
Steve Miller Band
Silver Bullet Band
Mothers of Invention
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Revolution
The Wailers
The Belmonts
Wings & Pete Best (to the Beatles)
The Jeff Beck Group
Ronnie James Dio (to Black Sabbath) and Bob Welch (to Fleetwood Mac)
Crazy Horse

Posted by Roscoe on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 02:19am


My prediction for 2023.
Performers:
Willie Nelson
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Missy Elliott
Sheryl Crow
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:
Kate Bush
Chaka Chan
Burt Bacharach

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton
DJ Kool Herc
Joe Tex

Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Thom Bell

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 02:25am


soulja,

Thanks for the comments on my wish list for Next few years. We seem to agree that with ones like Jethro Tull, Kool & the Gang, ELP, Supertramp, Styx. I would say the 1950s are Dead and done at the Hall. The 1960s struggle a lot these days. BUT the 70s is NOT done.
The names above do NOT all have to be moved to M Excellence.

I don't buy it that 70s names are impossible. Not at all. It's a bunch of hogwash. The Spinners and Zevon are nominees Now. I say you agree. They will be mixed in with Soundgarden and Mariah Carey. We agree they all these deserve Votes. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 02:49am


Matt R,

I have thoughts on your wish list. I will handle your Top 10. The Kingsmen is perfect as Early Influence. Louie Louie is one of the best Oldies of 1963. It was inducted in that stupid category of Singles. I think this is a do over. Weezer and Wilco are 2 great acts of the 90s. They are totally different from eachother so they could be inducted at same time.
Grace Jones- I recall discussing Grace Jones with you before. I was in the Rock Camp even in the 1970s BUT I have some knowledge of disco. I think she was kinda a diva of the Studio 54 scene.
Throbbing Gristle (as Early Influence)- I listened to these guys maybe twice- I have to hear them more. Lyrical themes mainly revolved around mysticism, exntremist political ideologies, sexuality, dark or underground aspects of society, and Experimental use of language
Thin Lizzy- They have been nominated before. They need to be nominated again. They are a Very good Heavy rock band of the 1970s. They could end up as Musical E but at least one more shot on ballot.
7. Bjork: She is an unusual Female singer that can easily be Nominated.
8. Guided by Voices: Guided by Voices' music was influenced by early post–British Invasion garage rock, psychedelic rock, progressive rock, punk rock and post-punk. The band has had a big output, releasing 35 full-length albums along with many other releases, and has gained a dedicated cult following. Their songs are known for their frequent strangeness or intertwining with eclectic and homemade sound effects.
9. Serge Gainsbourg (as Early Influence): I do not know this pick well. I think he dates back to the 1960s. I am surprised I do NOT know him better
10. Feist: This is a Modern singer of the 2000s I know little about. I do NOT agree that she is eligible yet. I think I know My Moon, My Man. I actually will say at the right time she is a nominee

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 04:11am


My predictions for 2023 class.

Performers:
Missy Elliott
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
Rory Gallagher

Early Influence:
MC5
John Coltrane
DJ Kool Herc

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Thom Bell

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 07:35am


Mat R,

Re our "bored" list, lot of food for thought. Some off the wall comments. B-52's almost certainly will get in. Too influential, and iconic. Boston is an unusual one. A lot of folks think of them as another arena rock band, but in their time they were a complete game changer. Before Boston, the record companies wanted at least an album a year and constant touring to break a band. Think Frampton, Kiss, Seger, Cheap Trick. And even popular bands would get the live album treatment (Chicago, Grand Funk, Procol Harum). It was the norm. Boston changed that completely. Self-produced and self recorded were completely new. One of the Atlantic execs (Ahmet or Wexler, can't recall) said they never would have signed Foreigner if not for the success of Boston. Similarly you saw high-profile producers going to new bands (Roy Baker for the Cars, Chapman for Blondie). Note that Cars and Loverboy were older than most new bands also. There were a lot of other factors going on (raising drinking age, MTV) but Boston was truly a game-changer in the way records were made and marketed and the demise of the promotional touring. Strictly in that sense they would be Hall-worthy.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 10:13am


Ben

Regarding Feist

I'm going by who is eligible next year and I believe she is as she released her debut in 1999. I have a feeling she does get in, she was the first of the indie wave of the mid oughts to have a really big pop hit, but suspect it'll be as a member of broken social scene, which will get in like a dozen key figures from that indie wave I mentioned.

Souljah

Yea Boston have really gotten the short end of the stick reputation wise and it's pretty weird. I think, like with journey, that one really important and popular track will get them at least a nomination.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 10:38am


Mat R and Ben,

I feel like Feist would be a tough sell for induction, let alone nomination. I think what will hurt her is that her biggest American peak is with her 2007 album The Reminder and her song 1-2-3-4. There will be voters writing her off as a one-hit wonder. I see bands like Arctic Monkeys, Arcade Fire (if the Win Butler allegations does not ruin their chances), Alabama Shakes, Bon Iver, Vampire Weekend, The National getting their attention because they are, as I often call them, "mindie" (mainstream indie). Feist is just simply Indie with a brief mainstream moment in 2007-2008. I love Feist. I bought The Reminder back in my junior year of high school when it first came out. I bought it on the strength of 1-2-3-4. That song was omnipresent in 2007-2008 because of the nano iPod commercial.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 11:35am


Elle dee

Yea I largely agree. She's got a lot of respect but I do see her having issues. It's why I said I think her route in is with the broken social scene, an act that also gets in members of metric and stars and gets a lot of women in. I think a lot of indie and 2000s alt rock will be coved by those types of collectives (animal collective, new p0rn-0graphers, magnetic fields, queens of the stone age, rilo Kiley) similar to Wu-tang Klan.

A name i'd add to your indie list there and I'm curious what people think is Tegan and Sara. Way less acclaimed but super influential and popular.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 11:51am


As of now, indie artists may be hard to be inducted as there are no indie artists inducted already currently. We can treat "alternative" as the father of the "indie" and most important alternative artists like Joy Division/New Order, the Smiths, the Replacements, Jane's Addiction, Sonic Youth, Pixies find themselves very hard to be inducted as of now. I do not think the rock hall will be friendly with "indie" music.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 12:07pm


If big alternative artists like the Smashing Pumpkins are not inducted currently and I think big indie artists like Arcade Fire, Wilco and Vampire Weekend will have to wait for their chances.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 12:08pm


Power

JD/NO and the White stripes are the first test the hall has seen in a while of attitudes towards indie. It's definitely the next huddle

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 12:22pm


Mat R, yes, let us hope more alternative artists inducted in recent years, which will be a good sign for potential indie artists' nomination.

I think after RATM, Soundgarden, JD/NO, the White Stripes (maybe the first true and pure "indie" artist to be nominated) inducted (as the committee seems to put them into higher priority), the nomination committee will push for Jane's Addiction, the B-52's, Sonic Youth, Pixies, the Smiths, the Replacements' case as they are "fathers" of what we call "indie music" today, and then pure indie artists like Pavement, Wilco, Arcade Fire may have their turn.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 12:27pm


If you considered Radiohead as indie as they're Alternative, then yeah not enough of them inducted. The likes of JD/NO, The White Stripes, Soundgarden & RATM would definitely push others you guys mentioned for inclusion.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 17:35pm


I believe the next year will be a relatively weaker class. Most of alt artists nominated in this class will have a better chance in 2024.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 17:44pm


Some random musings.

Richie,

I got a chuckle out of your comment that Willie can order tickets! Fact is he has been a solid lock from Day One. No way Dolly gets in and Willie does not. I think Missy is a lock too, but maybe she should buy refundable tickets, just in case!

Power, Mat R, others,

Will be interesting to see what happens to Alt/Indie. Arcade Fire and Wilco should be solid candidates after JD/NO and White Stripes. Both of whom would seem to have good shots this year. On a separate note I am surprised that Oasis and Blur are ignored to this point, but Britpop trails Indie/Alt, so maybe a few more years

Regarding Musical Excellence, this used to be for sidemen (women also, except the most qualified, Carole Kaye is being blackballed). Now it seems to be a way to get artists in via the side door. Still I assume you need a couiple nominations before they go this route

Nice to see the love for Thom Bell and Wolfman Jack. I really am surprised they are not already in

Anyway, all kinds of good stuff going on here.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 18:09pm


I think Bjork, Amos and Apple will be easier to be voted than Bush as they have more commercial success than Bush in America. They will be nominated after Bush in. I do not see PJ Harvey inducted in the near future.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 18:28pm


Ron

Radiohead is indie because they are 90s-present post punk. Garbage goes under 90s indie as well.

Soundgarden is grunge

The White Stripes are a part of the post punk revival of the 2000s, but lean more toward the garage rock revival as they have a rawer style akin to the garage bands of the 60s. Jet has a similar style.

Joy Division/New Order are post punk, known as indie only in Britain. Joy Division was goth while New Order was synthrock.

Rage Against the Machine is rap-rock.

Posted by Roscoe on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 19:14pm


Power

Kate getting in will definitely open a lot of doors for quirky, left of center artists of her ilk.

Laurie Anderson (I can see her getting an early influence induction because she's one of the few women to pioneer electronic music)

Cocteau Twins

Sinead O'Connor

PJ Harvey (I can see her getting in through two or three tries)

Tori Amos

Bjork

Fiona Apple

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 19:27pm


Hey Guys,

I talked to brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll ) a couple of times on forums.stevehoffman.tv regarding inside information about the 2023 official voting and also his predictions for the 2023 inductees as well https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/ and he replied back to me both times and he said:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-98

tight enough that someone stated in the FB Groups, that it changes every day, one day you could be #5 , the next day you could be #8, the next day #10, etc. Just from posts in the two FB groups, a lot of George Michael votes , yet to be counted, ATCQ and the Spinners seem like they will have late momentum.
Stern did Soundgarden , no favours.
Early in the game , the White Stripes looked like automatics, then they lost momentum in a big way, then the "Meg" controversy, and now they are looking better. Out of the 4 "traditional" "Rock bands" if I had to lean towards one, they would be the way I would lean.

still going with my original 9
I think I may end up having the order wrong (but like the Baseball HOF, it doesn't matter, were you fall, just that you have enough votes)

I would think it will be looking very good for Glen , Emmylou or Waylon , next year whichever one makes the ballot

my original predictions

2- Sheryl Crow
1- Missy Elliott
4- George Michael
3- Willie Nelson
5- The Spinners
6- A Tribe Called Quest
8- The White Stripes
9- Warren Zevon
7- Cyndi Lauper

not my ballot, but my prediction
9 voted in by the voters

today my predictions

4- Sheryl Crow
3- Missy Elliott
6- George Michael
1- Willie Nelson
5- The Spinners
7- A Tribe Called Quest
8- The White Stripes
9- Warren Zevon
2- Cyndi Lauper

a lot of people seem to split their ballot
which I think Missy / ATCQ would have been #1 , if only one of them were on the ballot
likewise , Lauper's runaway success , has held GM back , again if only 1 of them was on the ballot, they could easily be #1

also a lot of talk , which Spinners members , need to be added to the induction
there is obviously one huge omission , Little Steven has even noted this

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 19:29pm


Funny how there is another Guest poster here now lol hey there man.

I am not confident BOC's supposed leaks aren't a larp, mainly because it claims to have quite a bit of insider knowledge and also that it's deadset on 6 (when it's known they can shift the admittance based on how close votes are or who #7 is, often immediate after final votes are in). Do agree that ATCQ's stock is being undersold, they are only on year 2 and year 1 they had Eminem take their votes. Elliott may or may not this time, alongside the strongest voting lineup in a long time, but they for sure will be in by 2024.

Also, I'm not too confident the mainstream poptimist voting shift of the hall alongside greater non-rock hall push and a voter base with the lack of knowledge of any music not super mainstream will allow the "weird" (they aren't that weird btw) indie or harder acts to get in for decades. Rage on their 5th nomination, Soundgarden pioneering a genre but with no clear induction in sight. Sure White Stripes and JD/NO seem very on the edge of induction in this tight race and likely will be in within the next year or 2 but can we really see a path to induction for anyone like Jane's Addiction, Smiths, Replacements, or similar band when they already failed nominations before the poptimist era of voting where big names that sold copies overshadow everything else?

Even in the pop sector, how can we expect Bjork, Apple, etc if Bush still cannot get in?

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 19:45pm


How long have you guys been Rock Hall watchers for?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/11/2023 @ 21:47pm


Imma say something controversial....Bjork should have been nominated before Kate Bush. She's bigger, more important, more influential, more iconic, debuted first.

People actually know Bjork

Also the poptimist era has one flaw which everyone here ignores...rage can't get in.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 00:38am


Power,

How come next year's would be weaker?

Roscoe,

Yeah I see your point on Radiohead but I wouldn't call them post - punk as a whole. That title would go to The Cure & Depeche Mode while they're also synth rock & new wave.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 01:10am


Richie, please do not repost the "information" of this faker anymore. It is so bothering.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 01:10am


Ron Jenkins, in the next year, there will be no less big names in the nomination. Big names like Lauper, George Michael will be inducted this year and there will be fewer artists with huge commercial success to be inducted.

PJ Harvey is too British compared with bjork, amos and apple, her commercial success is even worse than Kate Bush. People in America may not know her and it will hinder her to be voted.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 01:18am


The user richie trusts said that 8 is isolated from others before. Why he says ATCQ has a decent chance to be inducted now? It so weird.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 01:23am


Richie,

9 being voted in as performers is just too large. The Hall is going with solid 6 as BOC stated since he's known some people from the committee. Plus putting 9 performers with 3 Early Influence & Musical Excellence honorees along with Ahmet Ertugun Award recipient would be very difficult & dictating to deal with. Like here's an example:

The ones you put in your predictions in Performer Category
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
A Tribe Called Quest
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Special Categories -
Early Influence:
MC5
DJ Kool Herc
Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
Ronnie James Dio
Carol Kaye

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Thom Bell

Now there's a 16 member class & would pretty much be an almost 10 - 12 hour ceremony if this class looks like this. That's exactly why it will legitimately be 6 performers this year!

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 01:27am


Power,

Yeah I can see your point.

Driving Force,

The links Richie shared are never legitimate, it's just full of errors & BS.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 01:31am


Power

I think PJ Harvey has a bigger chance for an induction because, unlike Kate, PJ Harvey a much higher profile in America. PJ has done countless live performances on American late night shows for many, many years and does a lot of tours.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 01:40am


Mat R,

Ok. I see. And you know it's unusual for me to know someone Modern like Feist. I'm one of the Older guys here with Allman Brothers B, Grateful Dead and Billy Joel, Heart. II understand you are going by who is eligible next year and I checked she released her debut in 1999. I have a feeling she does get in, she was the first of the indie wave of the mid oughts to have a really big pop hit. I just want yu to know I FORGOT ABOUT 1,2,3,4.
That's not bad for a guy like me that grew up on R Stones, Allman Brothers B and Heart. I mention Heart to put me in with the Women. Heyy I had a poster in my room of Nancy Wilson Back in the 80s. But as opposed to Heart and Joan Jett I did actually check out Feist. Yeah so I forgot that FEIST had the hit 1,2,3,4. I mentioned Man on the Moon or something like that. I am 58 I think I messed up that title. Ive been on a Modern music trend lately. I tend to be a 20th Century Man.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 03:51am


My prediction for 2023.
Performers:
Willie Nelson
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Missy Elliott
Sheryl Crow
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:
Kate Bush
Chaka Chan
Burt Bacharach

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton
DJ Kool Herc


Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Thom Bell

My prediction for 2024 nominees:
Joy Division/New Order, Iron Maiden, Soundgarden, Rage Against the Machime, A Tribe Called Quest, the White Stripes, Mary J. Blige, Alanis Morissette, Salt-N-Pepa, Fela Kuti, Dave Matthews Band, the Spinners, MC5, Dionne Warwick

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 05:45am


My prediction in 2023 is almost the same with power and I just paste and copy his prediction, but I am not sure about the side category so I just predict 2 in early influence.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 05:52am


Richie seems to believe in everything he reads. All that stuff seems to be BS. I'm very skeptical about everything he had linked to for that reason.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 06:05am


Hey Guys,

but he's an official voter, so he's real, Here's what he had to say about his official ballot:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-98

my official mailed today , went back and forth myself :
incredibly hard to leave some of these people of the ballot

Willie , Missy , Spinners , ATCQ, Sheryl Crow

Also, I talked to him about his predictions for the side categories (Ahmet Ertegun Award, Early Influence and Musical Excellence) as well and he replied back to me and he said:

Some of what is going to happen. Definitely depends on the final vote.

Big Mama Thornton is looking to finally happen.
Jackie Brenston.
Bacharach/David
Dionne Warwick
Chubby Checker

What do you think?.


What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 08:31am


Richie

He's not a voter. Don't believe what he's telling you.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 09:12am


My predictions for 2024 nominations.

Nominees:
Beck
Mariah Carey
Coldplay
Sheryl Crow
Dave Matthews Band
Iron Maiden
Kool & The Gang
George Michael
Queens of the Stone Age
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
A Tribe Called Quest
TLC
War

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 09:13am


If this brucewayneofgotham is a hall voter, then how come he didn't post his ballot on the forum as evidence? He's not a hall voter. He's lying to you with false information.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 09:16am


He said he was not a voter before and just knew voters. Suddenly he is a voter now. So ridiculous. He also said that if j geils band on the ballot and it will be a slam dunk to be inducted. So ridiculous as j gelis band have tried a ton of times and not even close to be inducted. Richie, do you have ability to identify the fake information?

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 09:17am


Matt R,

Lucinda Williams: This is one of my favorite Female artist of Modern years. Sweet Old World and Car wheels On Gravel Road are great albums. People over 45 know her well
12. Current 93: Not aquainted. Never heard of them
13. Misfits: I am NOT a Punk Rocker
14. The B52s: Great choice. I have predicted them a few times. They are the closest I get to Punk.
15. The Guess Who: One of the best picks for Classic Rock left. I love them
16. Wu-Tang Clan: NOT a gangsta Rap fan
17. Boston: One of the biggest Arena rock bands of all time. I was a fan at 12.
18. Wendy Carlos (as Early Influence): Perfect for Early I
19. Boogie Down Productions: Same as Wu Tang
20. Motorhead: One of the best Heavy Metal bands of all time. Lemmy will make them a win. BUT probably Musical E

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 09:25am


Elle Dee and driving force,

No, He's not lying to me and his information is not fake, He's an official voter, so it's 100% real.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 09:38am


Elle Dee, it will be waste of time for us to persuading richie to not to believe on a faker. Richie just does not listen to others and repeat the same opinion again and again. It is really bothering and it is really hard to communicate with him.

Posted by drivingforce on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 09:41am


The result of voting should not be leaked to the voters in the voting process so he is fake. The voters should not know the total situation of voting. The total numbers of voting will be only known by the nomination committee or people operating the hall. Each voter should only know the result of himself. It is so easy to tell. This will be the last time I will respond to the fake information richie reposts.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 09:46am


Guys some news. Sometime in the next 2 weeks I will be publishing 2 ballots (one with a name) from 2 inductee voters with insights.

I have the anonymous ballot and am just waiting for the other. The ballot I have has a rockist slant

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 11:34am


richie,

I have beachfront property in Nebraska, you should message me for info.

JD/NO 2023

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 12:07pm


Talk about believing a fake information over a member who has an accurate one based on being familiar with the nominating committee. Voting results shouldn't even be leaked until the end & yet one parrot thinks the links he shared are actually legitimately real in which reality isn't the case!

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 12:45pm


National Recording Registry inductees for 2023 got announced. Some say this is a far bigger honor then R&RHOF. Sometimes indicative of who the R&RHOF goes after
Thoughts?
https://newsroom.loc.gov/news/national-recording-registry-inducts-music-from-madonna--mariah-carey--queen-latifah--daddy-yankee/s/5a91b115-3825-4a5f-a702-35940b4de958

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 04/12/2023 @ 18:24pm


Jason Hanley's ballot

The Spinners
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Kate Bush

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 01:05am


My final prediction for 2023 inductees:

Performers:
Willie Nelson
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Missy Elliott
Sheryl Crow
Warren Zevon
(If 7 the White Stripes)

Musical Excellence:
Kate Bush
Chaka Chan
Burt Bacharach

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton
DJ Kool Herc
Esther Phillips

Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Thom Bell

I think the hall will push for more women in both main performer and side category.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 04:16am


I think Jason Hanley knows more about the history of music than most of the current voters.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 04:21am


Elle Dee,

This is my first direct chat with you. Well I like richie but I am opposite to him with many perceptions. I don't follow any Fake malarky. The stuff richie is reading is a scam. I am the other extreme. I think many things around us are scams.
You feel Feist would be a tough sell for induction, let alone nomination. I didn't know her biggest American peak is with her 2007 album The Reminder and but somehow I know the hit 1234. There will be voters writing her off as a one-hit wonder. I do NOT know bands like Arctic Monkeys, Arcade Fire. BUT I know Alabama Shakes, Bon Iver, Vampire Weekend, The National. If a 58 year old that focuses still on the Who, G Dead, Fleetwood Mac and Tom Petty, etc then they must be kinda mainstream. Feist is just simply Indie with a brief mainstream moment. I figure you are a lot younger than. BUT hey despite my Classic upbringing during the 1970s. I know Feist. I am trying to catch up with Modern music. I found out about Feist roughly 6 years ago. I know 2 songs. Welcome me to the 21st Century. I am behind but I have NEVER been gullible to fake accounts. In fact I get an urge to bust them

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 05:15am


Ben

Before The Reminder / 1234, I only knew about Feist because a friend of mine at the time was into her music and would occasionally name-dropped her and her 2004 album Let It Die. She recommended her music to me since I was a fan of Regina Spektor, KT Tunstall, and Dresden Dolls at the time. I never really checked out her music until 1234 and The Reminder came out. After I bought The Reminder, I then bought Let It Die sometime in 2008. I bought Let It Die online because it was hard to track down the album in music stores in a city I used to live and grew up in a long time ago.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 10:54am


Eddie Trunks ballot was extremely predictable except Willie, I thought he'd whine about non rock. Sheryl Crow makes sense from him and obviously Maiden Soundgarden and Rage would round it out

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 16:26pm


Elle D,

There does not seem to be any FEIST fans In my age Group of 45-60. All the friends my age talk about E CLAPTON, TOM PETTY, Heart, Journey, REM, Talking Heads, etc etc all the time . Some talk about TINA Turner, Earth, Wind & Fire, Chicago,FLEETWOOD MAC and also Duran Duran. But I think those younger love FEIST. I have a God DAIGHTER she seems to certainly know a lot of new acts
Tell me more In future. That's coool

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 16:44pm


Will M

Eddie Trunk is the classic, textbook definition of the word pompous

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 16:50pm


So it seems Eddie trunk voted for Sheryl Crow. I wonder who predicted that?.....oh right me because she's in the biggest act in the rock lane

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 17:07pm


Mat R

For a guy like Eddie Trunk who constantly whines and moans about the lack of heavy rock in the hall, he voted for Sheryl Crow and Willie Nelson over Warren Zevon and White Stripes. Zevon and White Stripes are more rock than Sheryl and Willie. Pretty much contradicting his own argument about the hall needing more rock-based acts.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 20:57pm


Elle dee

I don't think he's being a hypocrite. I think he's betting on a sure thing.

People here regularly suggested Sheryl struggle cause of Kate, Cyndi, and missy but trunk kind of shows that idea is bullshit because rockists will go to her because she's the most likely rock artist to get in

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 21:20pm


Yes, I underestimate the chance of Crow before, which is an idea filled with bs and now I think her chance is very high.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 22:38pm


I think the chance of no real "rock-band" being inducted in is very high as JD/NO, Soundgarden, RATM, Iron Maiden, the White Stripes may all struggle to get in this year.

Posted by Power on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 22:41pm


Mat R,

This has got to be the most interesting list of nominees in recent years because it's both fun and frustrating to making different predictions everyday to figure who's getting in and who's not getting in.

The more I think about it, it is more frustrating than fun because all of these 14 acts deserve to be inducted. A few days ago, I made my final prediction on who's getting in. But then, several hours ago, I was asking myself "are they going to pull a Golden Globes/SAG/Oscars with the inductees?" For example, Angela Bassett won her golden globe for Wakanda Forever because she's beloved by the people in the industry. Jamie Lee Curtis won her SAG award and Oscar for Everything Everywhere All At Once because she's a much beloved actress, respected by her peers, and maintained her narrative that she's been working hard in the industry for over 40 years, essentially calling herself a legacy actress. Both ladies won their respective awards because of their narrative as being legacy actors and how they've been in the game for a very long time.

I can make the same case with the rock hall. One thing that the hall love so much when it comes to inducting artists is the artists having a narrative to make their case on why they are worthy for induction. All of these 14 artists have a narrative of why they're worthy for induction consideration.

The artist(s) and their narratives:

George Michael - the bathroom scandal and him subsequently coming out almost destroyed his career, but he gave the powers that be the middle finger, be his authentic self, and continued to have a successful career before his untimely death.

Cyndi Lauper - she's multitalented - she proved that she's more than a Grammy winning singer - she's also a Emmy winning actress and Tony' winning producer. She's also a political activist and an ally to the LGBTQ+ community. Her music being the soundtrack to both the LGBTQ+ and feminist community, when their rights are being threatened in the United States right now.

Warren Zevon - His 2003 VH1 documentary pretty much sums up how highly regarded and respected by his music peers who love and adored him. He recorded his last album while he was terminally ill and preparing for death to come knocking on his door.

Soundgarden - Chris Cornell was the backbone of the band. After his untimely death, he still gets a lot of praise and admiration from fans and critics as one of the most, if not the most, greatest singer in rock music.

Iron Maiden - Well……

Willie Nelson - He will be 90 years old this year. He's been around the block for decades. He's an American music icon. He's a cool pothead and continues to advocate for wide legal marijuana usage in the United States.

Kate Bush - She's been brushed off by voters three times because of the "who is she?" and "not significant enough" arguments. Her classic song "Running Up That Hill" being a #3 hit song last summer (alongside Harry Styles, Lizzo, Beyoncé, Drake, Doja Cat, etc) because of Stranger Things and Gen Zers on TikTok discovering her music goes to show how timeless and impactful her music is to new ears.

Joy Division/New Order - alternative dance/indietronica would not exist without them. But I feel like that's not enough of a narrative to convince more voters why they matter and still matter.

Sheryl Crow - Her Showtime documentary from last year is her reminding people that she's a legacy artist. She's basically saying "I'm not the hit maker I was in the 90s, but dammit I'm still releasing new music".

The Spinners - One surviving member, a music producer who produced their most successful hits recently passed away, they're older than the other artists except for Willie.

Rage Against the Machine - Not much of a narrative

The White Stripes - Not much really.

Missy Elliott - She created hit after hit after hit songs and albums in the late 90s to the mid 00s. Took a break from music for several years because of her debilitating Graves' disease. Continues to make music here and there, while also collaborating with some of today's biggest artists.

A Tribe Called Quest - They pioneered Hip Hop with an alternative twist. They combined hip hop with a jazzy flavor that continues to influential, with the likes of Kendrick Lamar and other hip-hop artists that are fusing hip hop with jazz. Their last album came out a few months after Phife Dawg died. The album was recorded while Phife Dawg was receiving dialysis treatment for diabetes.

Overall, I think the artist(s) with the most convincing narrative that will have voters attention are:

George Michael

Cyndi Lauper

Warren Zevon

Soundgarden

Willie Nelson

Kate Bush

Sheryl Crow

The Spinners

Missy Elliott

A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 22:48pm


Elle Dee,

I will get into our second direct chat. Great comments on Narrative. I notice that JD/New Order did not make your list of most convincing Narrative. Alright, But I will add that especially New order had huge Dance party hits. I dont like to brag But I danced to Blue Monday during the 80s. I predict them even though I was rather big Arena rock fan as well as Kinda a Dead head at times. Also E Clapton, Steely Dan and 800 other classic acts.

On the Spinners I say Bravo. I read that a member died. Do Not know his name. I didn't predict the Spinners as Performer BUT I do predict them as an Early I. There is huge chance of Early I cause they are soo old. You don't find much Narrative on Rage A T Machine and White Stripes. I was wondering why you feel that. NOT much on White Stripes. Ive read on them. I agree. BUT Rage A T Machine. Not much of a Narrative?
Although it's true neither may have the Voters attention. After all the Voters body includes the Rock Veterans.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 03:01am


Elle Dee, the White Stripes is the most contributor of the garage rock revival, it is also one of the hottest indie rock band in 00s. So the White Stripes is definitely rock hall worthy. RATM has inspired a lot of nu-metal and alternative metal artists after them plus RATM is one of the most hottest alternative rock band in the 90s. RATM is also needed to be inducted.

I predicted 6 in my final predict. If 7, I think the White Stripes or A Tribe Called Quest will be No.7.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 03:06am


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

SPECIAL COMMITTEE 2
Patti Smith Group
Steve Miller Band
Silver Bullet Band
Mothers of Invention
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Revolution
The Wailers
The Belmonts
Wings & Pete Best (to the Beatles)
The Jeff Beck Group
Ronnie James Dio (to Black Sabbath) and Bob Welch (to Fleetwood Mac)
Crazy Horse

Posted by Roscoe on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 03:11am


When is the official announcement? First week of May?

I need to take a deep breath and look hard at everything. Definitely plenty of ammo and speculation here and elsewhere...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 04:17am


K-Dawg,

I was wondering about official announcement too. We can talk allll year about the Merits of Styx, B52 RAGE AGAINST TM, etc etc BUT when the heck is the actual Announcement. Some one should search that

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 06:48am


Ben, in 2021 was May 12th and in 2022 was May 4th.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 06:59am


I really hope the replacements will be nominated again but members of nomination committee have said that the replacements have lots of enemies in industry and it will hinder the replacements to be inducted again.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 07:48am


My predictions (at the moment):

Performers:

Willie Nelson
Sheryl Crow
White Stripes
Warren Zevon
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper (if there are six inductees)
Soundgarden (if there are seven inductees)

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush
Chaka Khan (possibly?? maybe??)

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 09:18am


I think John Peel should be inducted in the rock Hall. He makes great contribution in the career of Joy Division/New Order and the Smiths. He has made great devotion to make propagation of punk music, alternative music, indie music and some experimental/avant-garde underground music. Although he is in TV show in British not America, he should be credited with the Ahmet Ertegun award as soon as possible. He is one of the most influential dj after 1970.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 10:46am


Power

Peel makes a ton of sense. His marriage scandal aside he's quite celebrated in the UK.

The hall has however always seems so uninterested in media figures and has a ton of American ones to catch up on that I can't see them jumping to the UK ATM aside from maybe for Nightengale (another should be in figure) to get some more women in the category.

It's weird but that lack of interest in media and the UK probably saved the hall big time by making Saville a snub.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 13:08pm


I think artists in British alternative scene will all have struggle to be inducted in the hall.

I think the Jam (huge in england), Buzzcocks (influential punk band), the Smiths, XTC (influential alternative rock band but does not have huge commercial success), the Stone Roses(important to britpop), Oasis, Blur, Pulp (Top 3 britpop bands based on rolling stones' greatest albun list), Primal Scream (Biggest alternative dance artist except New Order) all deserve to be inducted.

Nevertheless, I think only the Smiths and Oasis will be inducted finally. All other bands will never be nominated. If big bands in America like Soundgarden and RATM struggle to be inducted, I do not see these British bands to be inducted easily.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 13:44pm


If ZERO actual rock bands get in with that heavy of a lineup (and there's a decent chance that happens) for the second year in a row all voters need to be banned and they need to start anew

Posted by GI on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 18:30pm


gi, unfortunately, it is very possible the case you mention will happen in the end.

Posted by Power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 20:30pm


Wait why are people thinking no rock bands get in this year? Decent chance they do 7

Even with Cyndi, Missy, George, and Willie there's still like 2-3 slots which are almost definitely going to rock acts.

Btw Even if they just do 6 and there's no bands rock is still way more represented than last year

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 20:35pm


Mat r.

Almost definitely they do six. They likely won't induct half with how little nominees there are compared to years they do 7 unless the difference between 6th/7th is one vote.

We could easily get some combination of Cyndi, Missy, George, Willy, Crow, Bush, ATCQ who might all be frontrunners. There's no frontrunners or likely inductees for rock bands right now.

Very decent to significant chance we get zero bands this year.

Posted by GI on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 20:40pm


mat r, if this year inducts Willie Nelson, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Missy Elliott, Sheryl Crow, Warren Zevon, which is a likely case, these artists are mainly pop and other genres oriented. Crow has many rock elements and Zevon is singer-songwriter from rock era but their music is less "rock" than RATM, Iron Maiden and Soundgarden, what people call "classic rock".

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 20:50pm


I think the most possible "rock band" in people's stereotypes to be inducted this year is the White Stripes.

I do not like the chance of soundgarden, RATM, iron maiden in this year. Maybe they have a better chance in a small er year. The voters are likely to vote more "popular" artists, which is frustrating.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 20:57pm


Let's just hope some critics picks are voted in this year because we don't need to repeat what happened last year. The idea of getting Crow, Michael & Lauper inducted alongside Elliott, Nelson & Zevon proves that the RRHOF couldn't go a year without a band or duo. I mean some bands including JD/NO, The White Stripes, RATM & Soundgarden might have a better chance to be nominated again & inducted by next year but let's not forget we have Coldplay being FYE for nomination by that point.

With that said, there will be some bands who would eventually be inducted through side categories like Devo, MC5 & New York Dolls for Early Influence & Musical Excellence but not in the same year. Same could be said for others like Thin Lizzy, War, The Meters etc.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 21:12pm


Power

Zevon isn't a Billy Joel/Joni Mitchell type. He did rock. pop rock, hard rock, soft rock. He did it all. Sentimental hygiene and lawyers guns and money go hard af.

As for Sheryl, who is a rock artist (pop rock and country rock are rock), she is literally the most important possible inductee this year partly because she introduces a new rock genre too the hall in adult alternative, which again is 100% a rock genre.

Can we please stop with the 'they're snubbing rock by not inducting my genre of rock'

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 22:02pm


mat r, yes, you are right. I get your point. It is very happy to have conversation with you.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 22:48pm


I only have listened Zevon's most famous two album (Warren Zevon and Excite able Boy) and I do now know much about adult alternative genre before. Therefore, my knowledge is somewhat limited and my opinion is biased.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 23:01pm


Anyways guys.....the David Johansen is out. Think it's enough to get him musical excellence or does Chaka seem destined?

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 23:17pm


Mat R,

I would have to go with Chaka because she turned 70 this year & the Hall wants more women in the Hall. So I'll say she might go in under that category this year.

As for Johansen, he'll be better off being in with New York Dolls under Early Influence category because having him inducted on his own rather than his own band is just weird.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 23:33pm


mat r, your assumption is reasonate. I think side category is harder to guess. Chaka Chan's possible induction is also a guess. I hope new york dolls will be inducted in side category soon.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 23:34pm


typo, reasonate->reasonable

Posted by power on Friday, 04/14/2023 @ 23:39pm


Matt R,

I totally agree with Warren Zevon. I was into Rock starting around the late 1970s. I was there then. You know what I mean. Zevon isn't a Billy Joel/Joni Mitchell type. He did rock. pop rock, hard rock, soft rock. He did it all. Sentimental hygiene and lawyers guns and money are Harder a bit. His first 3 albums are great. He was on a lot of the more progressive FM stations. NOT progressive music Progressive format. He will be inducted easily. My music tastes is probably similar to David Letterman and Billy Joel but they are MUCH older than me. I'm just a little regular guy BUT I would Vote like them guys. I am just not Famous in any way at all. Here I will give you a ballot from me if we pretend I'm a huge star. This is NOT predictions

MY Ballot

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
the Spinners
Warren ZEVON

Heyyy that's a good idea. You can do a Pretend ballot. Thats the same as who you Voted for in the Fan Ballot. Everyone should do that. Its fun

I just want to be very clear. Cyndi is on my Ballot. BUT I do NOT think she will be a winner. She will come back and be inducted Next year. I love Cyndi. But NOT a prediction. She had 1 huge album of course in 1984. And the True Colors followup did well. I remember that DURING 1986. I am NOT voting for JD/New Order. But they would be basically My choice 7. MY Choice 6 is Soungarden.

Do a Ballot HERE man. And I CERTAINLY vote for WARREN ZEVON. There is such a big buzz on Warren

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 04:33am


Ron J,

Meters are pretty much the epitome of Musical Excellence. Also cover the original intent which was side musicians.

Posted by souljah on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 11:37am


souljah,

I think after the Spinners being inducted in either main performer or side category, the meters will be nominated and inducted in side category. However, I can not see the meters will be inducted in 2023. It is just my own opinion.

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 12:36pm


Souljah,

Yeah I can see your point.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 15:38pm


souljah,

I love Old side musicians. The Meters are Great. That's awesome that you mention them. They had some nominations and have disappeared. They could Re appear now. I agree Not in 2023

I have posted my SPECIAL CATEGORY picks. Maybe slight change

MUSICAL Excellence:

Kate Bush
IRON MAIDEN

EARLY influence:

Big Mama Thornton
BING Crosby
the SPINNERS

These are great picks In M O.
What's in your mind with this?

No ROOM for the METERS. These are the picks.
The METERS in 2024

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 15:58pm


My guess on artists who will benefit from certain nominee's potential induction in this year.

George Michael-(I have no idea yet)

Cyndi Lauper-Mariah Carey

Warren Zevon-(I have no idea yet, I have thought about Harry Nilsson but I doubt if the hall will give him a chance to be nominated)

Iron Maiden-Motorhead

Soundgarden-(I have no idea yet, I have thought about the Smashing Pumpkins but I doubt if the hall will nominate the band in the near future)

Willie Nelson-John Prine

Kate Bush-Tori Amos

Joy Division/New Order-the B-52's

Sheryl Crow-Alanis Morissette

the Spinners-the Meters

Rage Against the Machine-Jane's addiction

the White Stripes-Beck

Missy Elliott-Mary J. Blige

A Tribe called Quest-Outkast

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 16:31pm


I think after Motorhead and Iron Maiden being inducted, metal artists will be hard to be even nominated. I do not like the chance of many metal giants like Megadeth, Slayer and Pantera. Some alternative metal artists have a chance like fishbone and Living Colour as they will be supported by Tom Morello and Dave Grohl. I think the hall is not friendly with Motley Crue, which will hinder possible nomination.

Posted by Power on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 16:39pm


Pantera has a better chance as they are the premier metal band of the 90s. Things come in their own time

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 19:53pm


Power

Gwen Stefani inducting Cyndi makes a lot more sense than Mariah inducting her. I always thought Cyndi and Gwen have some similarities with each other in terms of singing and fashion.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 21:53pm


Power

Oops, my bad. I thought it was your list of people inducting the potential 2023 inductees. I still think Gwen Stefani/No Doubt will be the ones to benefit a potential nomination and induction after Cyndi.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 21:56pm


George Michael - Mariah Carey or New Edition

Cyndi Lauper - Cher or Billy Idol or The B52s

Soundgarden - Oasis or Smashing Pumpkins or Weezer or Faith No More

Rage Against The Machine - Megadeth or Jane's Addiction or Black Flag

White stripes - pavement or pixies or sonic youth or modest mouse or beck

Sheryl Crow - Suzi Quatro or Alanis Morissette or Sarah McLachlan or Tracey Chapman or Liz Phair or Aimee Mann or Ani DiFranco or Melissa Etheridge or Lucinda Williams or Wilco or Ben Folds or Cake

Kate Bush - Bjork or Fiona Apple

A Tribe Called Quest - De La Soul or Wu-Tang Clan

Missy Elliott - Outkast or Lil Wayne or 50 Cent

Warren Zevon - Boston or Bryan Adams

Willie Nelson - Jimmy Buffett or Glenn Campbell or John Prine

JD/NO - Daft Punk or INXS or Human League

The Spinners - The Metres or Boys II Men

Iron Maiden - Motley Crue or Motorhead or Thin Lizzy

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 22:21pm


Actually I'm kind of surprised we haven't talked about that coming up.

After Eno (with Roxy), NIN, Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, JD/NO and with Madonna, Abba, Donna, and Nile in it's kind of time to start talking about Daft Punk unless they wanna like throw Diana Ross in solo first or Gary Numan cause there's not much left more important to the synth and dance.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 22:29pm


Elle Dee, yes, no doubt may be inducted in the future. No doubt is huge in 90s and no doubt has an icon woman singer which will be a plus.

Mat R, I think Diana Ross solo will be considered and nominated in the future, maybe
as early as 2025? I hope that Hall will recognize Daft Punk as the duo is one of the most influential and famous electronic music artist after 2000.

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 23:08pm


Kate Bush - Tori Amos, PJ Harvey & Bjork
Sheryl Crow - Melissa Etheridge
Missy Elliott - TLC & OutKast
Iron Maiden - Motorhead
Joy Division/New Order - The Smiths, Bauhaus & Gary Numan
Cyndi Lauper - 0
George Michael - 0
Willie Nelson - Waylon Jennings, Patsy Cline & Kris Kristofferson
Rage Against the Machine - Korn
Soundgarden - Alice in Chains
A Tribe Called Quest - Wu Tang Clan
The White Stripes - Beck, Coldplay, Pixies & Sonic Youth
Warren Zevon - Jimmy Buffett

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Saturday, 04/15/2023 @ 23:23pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack
Ed Sullivan

SPECIAL COMMITTEE 2
Patti Smith Group
Steve Miller Band
Silver Bullet Band
Mothers of Invention
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Revolution
The Wailers
The Belmonts
Wings & Pete Best (to the Beatles)
The Jeff Beck Group
Ronnie James Dio (to Black Sabbath) and Bob Welch (to Fleetwood Mac)
Crazy Horse

Posted by Roscoe on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 01:40am


Matt r,

I get what you're doing there. A current nominee leads to the other acts. Many have done that here. That is coool. Veryy nice

Cyndi Lauper leads to Cher, Billy Idol or B52s. I think especially Billy Idol w MTV thing.

Kate Bush - Bjork or Fiona Apple

A Tribe Called Quest - De La Soul or Wu-Tang Clan Although do NOT technically know enough to say. I am actually from the era when this didn't exist.

Missy Elliott - Outkast or Lil Wayne or 50 Cent Same thing. I will take your word for it. I stick with Gr Dead, Stevie Wonder, Earth W & F as opposed to any Hip hop. I will take your word for it.

Warren Zevon - Boston or Bryan Adams

BUT this one makes NO sense. I was a young teenager back in 1977-82. It does NOT fit. Boston and Bryan Adams are Arena pop rock which I like a lot BUT Warren Zevon does NOT lead to them

Warren Zevon- Harry Nilsson or Gram Parsons.

Those are are cult figures with a slight rock edge

I do NOT know Harry Nillson well or Gram P immensely but I heard them wayy back then and those are cult figures where their catalog of albums matter the most

Check out Harry Nillson Nillson Schmillson. And then get back to me. You then may perhaps agree. People of my era will probably understand. I think yu can tooo

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 02:58am


A name I don't see on many lists for the RRHOF who is a curiosity:

Pink

She is coming eligible next year I believe. And, she is highly influential to many, but she's in a curious place

What does everyone think of her chances?

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 05:27am


Elle Dee,

Heyy I didnt notice that. I also agree I think Gwen Stefani/No Doubt will be the ones to benefit a potential nomination and induction after Cyndi. Perhaps its the Colored hair. I do want to know I will maintain NOT predicting Cyndi this year. I was allll excited predicting Pat Benatar for 2020. And I was Totally wrong. The Hall went with Depeche Mode and Whitney Houston for the 80s. And so NOW in 2023 I will NOT assume Cyndi Lauper. Its a similar in that Pat and Cyndi are 80s singers and Female. This year the 80s are easily covered with JD/New Order and George Michael with my predictions. I got females with Sheryl Crow and Missy Elliot.

I think Cyndi is inducted in 2024. And after will come No Doubt featuring Gwen Stefani. I am NOT a big No Doubt fan. I was busy paying bills in my early 30s and with Folk and Jazz music

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 05:51am


*checks the Ballot Tracker*

Don't give me hope, Rock Hall voters. I was disappointed with last year when A Tribe Called Quest got the most votes, but didn't get inducted. Now they're leading again and I don't want to get my hopes up again.

It would've been nice if they induct BOTH Tribe and Missy Elliott at the same year.

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 06:34am


I explored on steve hoffman music forum. I found that the person richie trusted before said that

I do NOT think if the Velvet Underground would be voted in today, if on the ballot "Hit" Songs mean more now , then it did 20 yrs ago

It is one of the most ridiculous quote I have ever seen.

Posted by LebronJames on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 07:13am


Surprisingly, he isn't wrong about TVU. They were perhaps the biggest influence-based and quality or records based inductee, and time has shown that influence and quality means nothing to the hall anymore, just more records sold + biggest brand name + now biggest pop hits only. See Kraftwerk or Fela Kuti or anyone else in that regard.

I don't think they'd ever make if this voting body is the one that's voting, at least properly and not through ME

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 08:12am


I think VU still has good chance if they are voted recently. Inductees of punk, alternative music will all vote for them without hesitance like Ramones, Sex pistols, the Clash, the Prentenders, Blondie, Talking Heads, U2, REM, Patti Smith, the Stooges, the Cure, Depeche Mode, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, Duran Duran and so on. A ton of inductees owe huge dept to VU and they will vote for VU. It will be to dumb to not vote for them. VU is an american band, and will not face the problem of artists in other countries like Kraftwerk, the Smiths, Fela Kuti just to name a few.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 08:31am


For example, if the B-52's and the velvet underground appear on the same ballot. I think most voters will vote for VU without doubt.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 08:37am


Vu would get in today but the induction would include Doug yule (a maybe the biggest omission from an induction ever) and nico

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 10:07am


Just my own opinion. I now think Iron Maiden will be inducted in 2024 in musical excellence category like Judas Priest did. In 2024 they will have 3 nominations as same as Priest. Then the hall will try on Motorhead. Motorhead may have better chance than Maiden and Priest in main performer category as motorhead are also recognized by punk artists, which Maiden and Priest do not have. Motorhead also have a top 500 greatest album by the rolling stone magazine, which Maiden and Priest also do not have.

Posted by Power on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 10:12am


One main flaw is that the commercial success of Motorhead is worse than Priest and Maiden. As time goes on, the motorhead may face weaker competition than Maiden and Priest as many big names will be inducted recently.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 10:24am


power,

I haven't chatted much with you much at all. I am holding with Iron Maiden this year. True its 3 nominations by 2024. BUT the Hall has Heavy metal. It would be wild if they play Number of the Beast this year at the Ceremony. These days It works the same as MTV. There is is regular pop. Rock and New wave music like P Benatar, JD/new Order And Cyndi Lauper and there is a band like I Maiden to serve as a Headbangers ball act. But right Now its NOT totally MTV. Carly Simon last year. Willie Nelson and Warren Zevon this year.

I could switch out I Maiden in M Excellence for another BUT nahhh

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 10:57am


Motorhead have no real shot in the ballot aside from Lemmy is famous (they'll get early influence). Maiden won't get musical excellence (same goes for rage).

Did y'all forget that kiss, def Leppard and Bon Jovi got in? Populist metal acts like maiden can get in on the ballot just takes time.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 11:26am


ben, mat r, I get your points.

How time flies. We will probably know the result of inductees of this year in 2-3 weeks.

I think the final result will have 1-2 surprising inductees we do not predict.

Posted by POWER on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 11:38am


Power

Announcing the 2023 Rock N Roll Hall of Fame Class

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Soundgarden
White Stripes
Warren Zevon
And write in candidate Barry Sadler

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 11:57am


Eddie Vedder hoped Black Flag, X, Sonic Youth and Fugazi to be inducted in 2010.

However, I think those bands will not be nominated in 1-3 years. Except for Sonic Youth (Questlove will support Sonic Youth), it is sad that other artists may even be hard to obtain a nomination.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 15:54pm


When you reached your 5+ nominations then it's likely that you're not going to be voted in as performers. I mean it's absolutely so tiring seeing Rage Against the Machine being on the ballot 5 times. People tend to forget LL Cool J & Kraftwerk had 6 nominations before the Hall decided to put them under Musical Excellence & Early Influence, if the same happens to Rage then it's not gonna matter. Judas Priest got inducted through one of those categories yet they ended up having a performance at the ceremony so I can guarantee that I'll happen to RATM since there's so much backlog that needs to be corrected. With said, let's hope this is their final nomination & shot to be inducted as performers. Others like MC5, New York Dolls & Devo are done with the nomination route & most likely going to be inducted also in special categories.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 21:13pm


Power,

I can definitely guarantee that next year, Sonic Youth will have their first nomination but when it comes to induction is a different story.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Sunday, 04/16/2023 @ 21:16pm


What is more, this "voter" says KC and Sunshine Band have a good chance to be inducted in FUN. I can not stop laughing after seeing this.

Posted by LebronJames on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 01:59am


"FUN" should be "FYN", first year of nomination

Posted by LBJ on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 02:01am


Matt R,

Is that your predictions yesterday or an imaginary Ballot I suggested. Either way Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliot, Soundgarden, White Stripes and Warren Zevon are good picks, But it looks like you are a Wise guy with Barry Sadler. I know who it is. A huge number one song when I was a little child with Ballad of the Green Berets in 1966. I was actually a 1 year old baby. Ha. Wise guy

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 02:51am


Matt R,

I think you have definitely or perhaps listened to some of the Early Influence picks of recent years and the current ones of E influence predicted. I sat down to listen to a bunch of Gil Scot Heron about a year ago. There was that Old blues guy last year. Just 2 TODAY I listened to Big Mama Thornton. Did you pick Big Mama? She is GOOD. I am surprised she has never been inducted. I THINK later Rock legends like Janis Joplin, Eric Clapton, Jimmie Page, Jimi Hendrix, the Allman Brothers B and Bonnie Raitt have listened to her through the many decades. NOBODY chats much about personal listening I thought we would with Early I picks. I do NOT know Big Mama T very well. I played her on Spotify. Spotify is good. Its good to thoroughly hear who we here pick. Hear from YA

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 03:29am


Matt R,

They reallyyyy need an edit button bad!! Ok I normally listen to the Classic Later music people and Kinda Modern like Radiohead. BUT I must say these Early I people are coool.
There was that Blues guy in 2021 named CHARLY PATTON. Never knew his music until 2021 Ceremony. My intense knowledge range is 1965-1995. Those 30 years pretty much sum me up to some extent. I don't know much before 1962. BUT I am improving on 1996-Present! More on that later. LETS discuss listening to EARLY I

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 03:59am


Ron Jenkins

Highly disagree about Rage. A band that recent, relevant, and popular not being able to go in with voters is a bad, bad sign for the Hall. People talk about Alice in Chains, Megadeth, and Wu-Tang Clan, how are they gonna get in when Rage can't? How is the Hall gonna put a Blink-182 or Stone Temple Pilots on a ballot when Rage failed? There's a lot at stake with Rage. Like if a band like Rage can't get in then there is no way in hell an Emo band can get in.

You basically have to admit the voters are old and bitter and hate what rock became after Nirvana.

Also Rage are WAY bigger than either LL or Priest. People would actually give a shit about them not going in as performers and be very confused and call the Hall even more boomer than they already do.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 07:42am


Mat R

Foo Fighters are more recent than Rage and they got in with flying colors the first time. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I think Rage's numerous snubs is probably political. The members are known for their left-wing/progressive politics (which are apparent in their songs). I can only imagine that some of the voters are old, conservative white men who do not like artists that are the Bernie Sanders type when it comes to politics.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 09:20am


Elle Dee

Foo Fighters are more recent but they're also not as relevant or progressive (music wise) as Rage, White Stripes same thing. Rage really did push rock into a new direction much like Blink-182.

I don't know if it's conservative politics as much as this isn't good rock

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 09:41am


Mat R, Elle Dee,

Not weighing in one way or another, but Foo Fighters won the Grammy for Best Rock Album five times. I suspect the Venn diagram of Grammy voters and HOF voters has a large commonality, which may explain their quick induction. I don't think any other act has won it more than twice.

Posted by souljah on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 11:00am


Guys anonymous ballot chat with a Hall of Famer. I'll have a few of these this is the first cause it was the quickest and I think everyone will be disappointed

I have a few of these https://matthewrandomthoughts.blogspot.com/2023/04/rock-hall-inductee-1.html

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 11:16am


Mat R,

Fascinating, assuming it is real. As far as the requirement to write your own songs, pretty much the entire Motown and Atlantic rosters did not. And yes, I am aware of exceptions (Marvin, Smokey, Stevie, Atlantic Rock acts). And of course Elvis didn't either. Didn't know you could do write-ins.

Posted by souljah on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 13:25pm


Souljah

It is 100% real. He said it was fine if I published his name but on account of the fact he gives away his ballot for someone else to fill in and to be very honest didn't seem all there when we chatted I opted not to publish his name

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 14:16pm


Depending on how the Ballot Tracker goes, here are my predictions if they go with 7:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
A Tribe Called Quest
Warren Zevon

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 15:53pm


According to the ballot tracker.

There are total 21 voters in public.

10 voters vote for Kate Bush, JD/NO and ATCQ.
9 voters vote for the Spinners.
8 voters vote for Warren Zevon, Soundgarden, Willie Nelson, Cyndi Lauper, Iron Maiden, Missy Elliott
6 voters vote for George Michael
5 voters vote for RATM
4 voters vote for Crow
1 voter votes for the White Stripes

However, I still think the performers for induction will be six, they are Crow, Elliott, Lauper, Zevon, Willie and Michael. I think ATCQ, the Spinners may be darkhorse.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 16:57pm


If I am a voter, I will vote for:

Joy Division/New Order
Iron Maiden
Kate Bush
A Tribe Called Quest
George Michael

Posted by power on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 17:09pm


If I were a voter, this will be my ballot:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Joy Division/New Order
The Spinners
A Tribe Called Quest

Which is funny because I checked the Ballot Tracker and I saw one voter who had the exact same choices as mine.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 18:28pm



LAST year the burner account said Carly Simon did poorly and let us see what this year the persons with "information" predict right. I do not believe anything by BOC and the "voter" Richie "worship".

Posted by driving force on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 22:40pm


Yeah, if anything, Sheryl Crow might fit the Carly Simon pick this year.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 04/17/2023 @ 23:08pm


Elle Dee,

I will go in a mellower direction with the current ballot. I DO NOT know your predictions. How about Kate Bush? At 58 I do NOT know my generation line. I am probably one of the youngest of the Boomers. There has been mention of Boomers. But since I was NOT born until 1965. My height for music didnt start until 1978. It seems Old Now. But instead of witnessing arrival of Beatles on Ed Sullivan Show. I witnessed the arrival of Van Halen and the Cars. Those were some amazing debuts in 1978. Along with Supertramp around that time.

Also though KATE Bush rose to fame in 1978. What do you think the chances are for Kate Bush as PERFORMER. I pick her for Musical Excellence, She had huge success in Britain back in the late 70s. Everybody is talking about Running Up that Hill. Her other stuff is great. I dont own anything but I listened to some of her main album during early 90s. A friend owned it.

Cyndi Lauper is on the Ballot what are your thoughts on her. She was a huge star 1984-1989. BUT I think she will miss but come close. She will miss because of George Michael, Sheryl Crow and Missy Elliot. She has a lot of competition as an 80s act and a Women act. In 2020 I pushed hard for Pat Benatar and she failed. I am cautious.

Can you please Post your PREDICTIONS? That would be awesome. It's easier to continue discussion after that. I will mention one more act.
The SPINNERS- They are headed for Early Influence. It is clear that Early I goes up thru Early 70s. And also they formed around 1961. I do NOT any songs before 1972 but they go back into 1961. I want HEAR from YA. That would be awesome. Your posts are Awesome

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 03:02am


The ballot track isn't that useful because 99% of the ballots we see are from writers and critics and they were drastically off last year. In fact the most useful ballot last year was some random retired concert promoter out of Maine who I think was the lone 4/5 or 5/5 last year (he was like the only person with Lionel) because he kind of voted for who made him money.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 07:37am


Mat R,

Cool, glad to know the voter is real! Interesting insight, I wish more of the voters gave their reasons.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 09:24am


Mat R,

Cool, glad to know the voter is real! Interesting insight, I wish more of the voters gave their reasons.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 09:24am


Souljah

I have one more anon one who was far more detailed but dickish and one more pending one with a name attached.

I'm actually surprised more people here don't want to talk about the fact an inductee voter gives his ballot away to someone else to fill in for him (all he seemingly does is tell them ELP and Tommy James but has no idea if they actually do so). That is actually kind of concerning to me

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 09:58am


If I go with my trends connection that I usually follow in my predictions, I think Carly Simon's induction was asexual at this point; it finished off a line of 70s female singer/songwriters that began with Joni Mitchell, Joan Baez and Carole King. Her slot very well may go to Warren Zevon, which is an interesting coincidence because he is also one of the rockist darlings on this ballot, even if Werewolves of London (in my market they also play Lawyers, Guns and Money and Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner) is the only single that repeats the CR algorithm on stations focusing on 60s-80s rock. Sheryl Crow doesn't fit my profile for that slot, because while she is a female songwriter, she is 90s, and I don't think the hall is that ready to leave the 70s yet, for all those pandering to the contrary. It very well may evolve into a Harry Nilsson, or a Boz Scaggs in the future. And, has there really been an 80s songwriter given recognition yet? This is where Tracy Chapman or maybe Sade, some individuals who are critically acclaimed but limited in chart success may become a player.

On a side note, the Spinners are a prime candidate to go in for EI or ME. That opens the door for a 70s funk run; the Meters, KC and the Sunshine Band, the Ohio Players, the Commodores, could all become options. The RRHOF knows it is missing a giant chunk of this genre, not excluding Don Cornelius, who is a gaping hole.

And, to complete the thought on 70s icons, you can't close the door on the classic rock just yet. Iron Maiden had the bulk of their success in the 80s, but to some they probably are a 70s band, having formed in 1975. I think there's enough aging rockers or other influences from the voter pool to include Bad Company, Foreigner, Boston, Kansas or BOC, especially if we get a run on classic rock bands like we did in the late 2010s. Might even get a look at BST, Guess Who, Jethro Tull, or the Monkees or Tommy James, who was alluded to by Mat R's guest.

Bottom line, don't assume the voters are progressive in terms of ready to move on while leaving all the others in the dust per se. Their new administrators may want to really get things moving, but they are still subject to their constituents' whims.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 10:17am


Also, I'm sure it's been noticed, but richie has disappeared?

He infuriates me with his parrot posts and copy paste, but does anyone know if he's ok? The guy has had a tough time of it...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 10:22am


Richie seems to quit future rock legends and goes to Steve Hoffman forum to continue his copy and paste instead. He seems to have deep faith in the "voter". Let him be.

Posted by driving force on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 12:32pm


Mat R,

I actually had not picked up on the fact the voter allowed someone else to fill out the ballot. Agree it is disturbing.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 13:56pm


After Cyndi Lauper, Sheryl Crow, George Michael being inducted. There will be fewer big names in the next few years. Many critical but not top popular artists will have strong chance to be inducted in the main category. The next huge popular artist will be Beyonce and she will not be eligible until 2028 I doubt if Phil Collins will be nominated and if Sting will be nominated for the second time.

I think Alanis Morissette will be nominated in the next year and she fits the type of Crow.

I believe the people who support the Cure, Depeche Mode, the Smiths, T.Rex, Roxy Music before push for JD/NO's long overdue nomination. I think they will support the Smiths again or nominate the B-52's for the first time.

One of Dave Matthews Band and Coldplay will appear on the ballot in 2024. I tend Dave Matthews Band.

Devo, New York Dolls and MC5 will be nominated for one more time and then inducted in side category in the next 3 years. I think this year the hall will push Kate Bush in side category.

I do not like the chance of the White Stripes in this year.

John Prine will back on the ballot soon as he has nominated before. He not only fits the singer-songwriter type, but also fits the country music type.

Posted by driving force on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 13:57pm


Elle Dee,

Re conspiracy, I tend to doubt there is a conspiracy against RATM for their politics, a fair number of left-leaning types are in, as are some right-leaning types. And I have seen others complain that the Hall is too leftist! I think RATM is hurt because a) Rap Metal is a challenging genre for a lot of the traditional rockers, and b) I really think that some voters will get them confused with Jane's Addiction or Marilyn Manson. Not fair but that's my thought. Also Rap Metal is kind of narrow for some voters. In any event they will surely get their due, if not via the vote then as a Kraftwerk-type Early Influence or LL Cool J Musical excellence

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 14:02pm


If RATM are not inducted in this year, I think the nomination committee should stop nominate them in 2024 and give other alternative artists a chance as there is a very long list of snubs in alternative/indie scene.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 14:08pm


Agreed on Rage. They seem kinda stale and are clogging up a spot that could be taken by another 90's alternative artist. They definitely have their fans, but they're a tough sell for anyone who isn't into them. Give them a couple years off, them bring them back and see what happens.

Posted by Michael W. on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 14:58pm


driving force

Assuming you see Mariah as rnb but what about Britney? She's eligible and I can't see the hall waiting till Beyonce before nominating another pop act. She's a massive, massive name, highly influential, has undergone a massive re-evaluation. I doubt she's first ballot but I'm sure they'd try her.

Also re rage

Agree. I hope they ignore the 90s hard stuff next year (eg rage, Soundgarden) and try something else like Brit pop (eg oasis), pop punk (eg blink 182), or alternative after 94 (eg Weezer)

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 15:31pm


Mat,

What's your thought on the 70s artists on the outside looking in?

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 19:57pm


K-Dawg

That's tricky cause I have weird feelings on that.

I think The Guess Who or BTO should be inducted. If you think of Canada as the third key nation in the story of Rock N Roll, it's impossible to talk about the nation without talking about how important The Guess Who and BTO are to it. They're more important to the country's music than Neil, Joni, The Band, and even Rush.

Beyond them, you know Boston and Blue Oyster Cult have proved important (does "Smells Like Teen Spirit Exist" without "More Than a Feeling"?) and of course Bad Co. and Foreigner have their places in history.

Ya jump to RnB and where is Barry White? Where is Rick James? And obviously where is Chaka Khan? Are we pretending none of this existed? Music that gets the people going that laid the foundation for modern pop, RnB, dance, and rap. It's so important and it's just ignored. WTF?

Speaking of rap...DJ Kool Herc and The Last Poets inducted when?

Is punk done? Cause Suicide and The Buzzcocks in addition to New York Dolls and Devo aren't in. How haven't we talked about Richard Hell, Siouxsie Sioux, or Poly Styrene when you've put the Sex Pistols, Green Day, and Duran Duran in and for some reason nominated Bad Brains?

How about the retrospectively uber influential genre of yacht rock, which birthed music more subversive than punk or rap? Boz Scaggs, Kenny Logins, Supertramp, and Toto who are the origins of Vaporwave and what the Weeknd does.

How about Ted Nugent? How many inductees have cited him as a major influence? Stick him in with Amboy Dukes as Early Influence to shut him up. He's so important to metal

Where are the B52s and what do you do with Sylvester, Jobriath, and Carole Pope who broke extreme levels of ground for LGBTQ artists?

There's a lot of depth to the 1970s

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 23:08pm


Also more shameless self promotional

Read my interview with Rock N Roll Hall of Fame inductee Ricky Byrd and NWA champ Mecha Wolf in Absolute Underground

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Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 23:23pm


Also cause I know you all only want the Rock hall quotes

AU: You're a Rock
N Roll Hall of Fame
inductee. There's
been a kind of wall
that metal and punk
have hit with the main
voting body, most
notably the struggles
of MC5, Rage Against
the Machine, and
Judas Priest needing
the jury prize to get in.
As someone who went in with a punk/metal/
hard rock act but also has a deep interest in
other genres, why do you think that is and
what do you think it will take to help them
overcome it?

RB: I don't know about that. I've been waiting for
J. Geils Band to be in there for freaking 10 years!
I think it's a very political, well I know it's a very
political thing. From what I've heard, the big
cheeses all come around a conference room table
and everybody brings the people that they want
in and then they argue for a few hours.? I don't
know but it's above my pay grade. But I'm sure
happy to be in there.

AU: This year, the Rock Hall the ballot is kind of
stacked, even Pitchfork has praised it. Anyone
you're rooting for?

RB: I know who I voted for. But you know, every
year it's the same crap on social media. "I can't
believe this band's not in there!" Well there's only
like 5 bands a year or something. There's so many
more important things to worry about right now
in this world. Everybody will get in there now I
guess and it's a valid argument that rockers say,
"If it's the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame, why is Donna
Summers in there or why are they in there?" But
Rock N Roll came from R'n'B so yeah I don't know,
doesn't matter to me I'm just excited I got the
trophy

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/18/2023 @ 23:28pm


As popular artists like Whitney Houston, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper and Sheryl Crow seem to be inducted rasily, why did Janet Jackson tried for 3 times to be inducted? Janet Jackson is bigger than any of them except for Whitney Houston. It can not be explained.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 05:58am


I wonder what the hall did before as there are a ton of worthy snubs not inducted yet.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 06:05am


K-Dawg,

You are one of the cool posters here. I'd like to jump in here. I am NOT sure I am on the Outside. What does that mean. I was there on the inside of the 1970s

I know Boston and Blue Oyster Cult have proved important you mention does "Smells Like Teen Spirit Exist" without "More Than a Feeling"?. Wow I was there the month More Than Feeling was a huge hit. I never thought of that. You are super young and notice things I never did. and of course Bad Co. and Foreigner have their places in history. All of these will be inducted due to the importance of Arena rock. Arena rock is the Big pop rock of 1976-86.

Ya jump to RnB and where is Teddy Pendergrass? Where is Rick James? And obviously where is Chaka Khan? Are we pretending none of this existed? Music that gets the people going that laid the foundation for modern pop, RnB, dance, etc. I wanted to mention Teddy P. There is another cool R&b dude.

Ha I was there when Yacht Rock was invented. BOZ Scaggs Silk Degrees. I remember it DURING the year it was released

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 07:54am


Power,

As to the Janet snub, yes it was a shock to see her take three tries, I think the issue for her is the fact that her producer/writer team (Jam/Lewis) overshadowed her. Of note though, she was nominated three times by her 11th year of eligibility. George Michael had to wait 14 years, Whitney waited 10 and Mariah has waited 8 with no nomination yet. So Janet is no more dissed than the others. GM may not be quite the huge star as Janet, but he still towers over almost all other inductees in terms of success -- not the only criterion of course. As to what was the Hall doing, for better or worse they have favored getting "unusual" artists or special pet projects inducted. So you have Tom Waits, Dr. John, Butterfield, Nina Simone, Percy Sledge, Richie Valens, Albert King, Darlene Love getting nominations and inductions. Not that they are not qualified; a case can be made for each of them. But they tend be out of the mainstream, and in some cases not "rock&roll" as mot might think of it. But they have taken slots. Darlene Love for instance absolutely belongs, but she really should have been Musical Excellence (or the Sideman predecessor) rather than a performer.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 12:31pm


Power and Souljah

Janet being snubbed the first three times probably had something to do with Les Moonves. Les Moonves was the former CEO of CBS. The now infamous 2004 Super Bowl halftime show aired on CBS. Les made it his life's mission to ruin Janet's life and career after the incident, even though she sincerely apologized. He didn't allow her to attend that year's Grammys (he allowed Justin Timberlake to be there though) and had her blackballed from the music industry. Les was one of the most powerful men in the entertainment industry. He probably pulled many strings to not have Janet be inducted because he's such a mean-spirited person who can't seem to get a life. Janet's fourth nomination and eventual induction coincided with Les being ousted as CEO following numerous allegations of sexual harassment and sexual assault. He didn't have the power to sway voters not to induct her. It's sort of similar how The Ronettes were constantly being snubbed for nomination because of Phil Spector's vindictive ass. It wasn't until after Phil's murder conviction that the Ronettes were finally nominated and inducted into the hall.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 14:17pm


I think tony visconti and mick ronson should be inducted in side category for their contribution in glam rock movement. Tony has produced for albums with trex and bowie. Mick worked with Lou Reed, Bob Dylan, John Mellencamp, Morrissey before.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 14:36pm


Some albums Tony Visconti produced before.


1969: Space Oddity - David Bowie
1971: Electric Warrior – T.Rex
1972: The Slider – T.Rex
1973: Band On The Run - Paul McCartney and Wings
1977: The Idiot - Iggy Pop
1977: Low – David Bowie
1978: Live and Dangerous – Thin Lizzy
1977: "Heroes" – David Bowie
1979: Lodger – David Bowie

He is rarely mentioned before for possible induction.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 14:43pm


Do the Doobie Brothers and Steely Dan not qualify as "yacht rock"? Joe Jackson, Boz Scaggs...there is a lot of it, although I also tend to think of it as AM rock or easy listening.

"The Pina Colada Song" by itself and Jimmy Buffett as a whole can also probably be lumped into this genre.

One way or another, the 70s as a whole are probably the most influential decade in terms of diversifying the sounds of rock and roll as a whole.The 80s and 90s definitely defined the shape of music as we know it today, but the 70s justifiably should have a much larger representation in the Hall than it does. And yes, it's already sizable.

The Hall isn't about only putting in the big names. It's also a storybook of how rock and roll music has developed from the early jazz and swing sounds to today's blend of everything rock, rap, pop, techno, hip hop, r and b, and even some country elements.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 14:55pm


Elle Dee,

Not familiar with the impact Moonves may have had. He certainly was annoyed with her (ratings were good nonetheless), I would be surprised he could influence voters, but he certainly could keep her off the ballot. As for Phil, both the Ronettes and Darlene Love inductions were a deliberate poke in his eye, and well-deserved. Oddly enough both the Ronettes and Love are borderline inductions. Darlene Love was more of a ME candidate, and the Ronettes, while they made two or three great records are really no more qualified than say the Monkees and the Shangri Las. Both of which have a claim to legitimacy.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 15:12pm


Tom Lane has made his 2023 Rock Hall predictions with the inductees being announced in the next few weeks.
In the performer category he predicts:
1) Cyndi Lauper
2) George Michael
3) Missy Elliott
4) Sheryl Crow
5) Warren Zevon
6) White Stripes (Wild Card)
7) Willie Nelson

Other Wild Card picks: Soundgarden, Kate Bush, Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 15:14pm


The era of inducting 60s' artists in main category is generally done after the induction of the Moody Blues and the Zombies. There are still a ton of work needed to be done on artists in artists from 70-90.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 15:15pm


Yes. I think the six will be inducted for a few days. I think the White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden and A Tribe Called Quest will appear on the ballot next year and they are strong contenders or almost to be locks to be inducted in a weaker ballot in 2024. I still think Bush will be in ME in this year. If she can not be voted in her hottest year, she can not be voted when her degree of heat fades. Therfore, I think the hall will waste no time on putting her on the ballot again.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 15:23pm


Does anyone know what did Tom Lane predict in 2022?

Posted by LBJ on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 15:26pm


Power,

The 60s are close to being finished generally, but there's a gaping hole with the Monkees not in; they were the first to implement music videos as a medium which has become often more important than songs in a band's influence and recognizance. There are other bands with arguments whose careers have stretched into the 70s.

There also are other acts like Herman's Hermits, Tommy James, and R&B groups who have legitimate cases. I agree there will not be many more 60s acts brought in, but there are still some arguments to be answered.

The 70s are well represented in numbers, but there is a ton of acts still on the outside looking in (Ben, this is what I meant by "outsiders"). The 80s generally are much more well represented, as Cyndi Lauper and JD/NO are 2 of the largest members facing potential induction this year, but it seems the voting body has favored 80s acts much more consistently since they became eligible. The 90s are getting some love, but older influential acts are being skipped over. One could argue that rap is becoming a token category at times to get an act yearly, if the trend continues. There are plenty of rappers that deserve induction, but the line is blurred when funk, soul and hip hop "ancestors" of the hot acts are not included before their fruitbearing. And, like it or not, the hot 2000s acts still in the contemporary mindset probably will be shunted in before a complete and proper chronology

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 15:38pm


Yes, I think the chance of more 60s' artists to be inducted in main category is not high. Side category is higher probability. I hope artists like the Monkees, Procol Harum, the Shangri-Las, Steppenwolf, Link Wray will be inducted in the future.


There are still a ton of alternative/indie/hip-hop/rnb artists in 80-90 needed to be inducted. 70-90 is very very diverse. I can list more than 100 artists needed to be inducted in this era.

I think Dave Grohl will push for the case of Pixies, Bad Brains and the B-52's in five years as they all appear on his top 10 favorite recoras.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 15:49pm


Tom also predicted in the side categories:

Musical Excellence - Kate Bush, Chaka Khan, Carol Kaye

Early Influence - DJ Kool Herc, Big Mama Thornton, Celia Cruz, Tito Puente, New York Dolls

Non-Performer - Thom Bell, Don Cornelius, Rick Rubin, Russell Simmons, Burt Bacharach & Hal David

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 15:57pm


I think Tom predicts too many inductees in side category.

I think 6-7 in side category is more realistic.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 16:12pm


LBJ

Tom's predictions from 2022:

Inductees

Carly Simon

Dolly Parton

Duran Duran

Eminem

Lionel Richie

Pat Benatar

Wild Card

Eurythmics

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 16:47pm


K-Dawg,

Oh Ok, I see. Hey like Free, BACHMAN Turner Overdrive, Johnny Winter,Blue Oyster Cult and BOZ Scaggs and of course Bad Company and Jethro Tull. They are on the outside looking in

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/19/2023 @ 17:14pm


K-Dawg,

Always good with a chat. The 70s are well represented in numbers, but there is a ton of acts still on the outside looking in. This would be acts like Free. Grand funk Railroad, Blue Oyster Cult, Jethro Tull, Harold Melvyn and Bluenotes, the Spinners, Bad company. The 80s generally are much more well represented, as Cyndi Lauper and JD/NO are 2 of the largest members facing potential induction this year, but it seems the voting body has favored 80s acts much more consistently in more recent years NOT since they became eligible. That's incorrect. Madonna was inducted 2008 and Metallica in 2009. After that a Lot of the 80s was skipped over until 2017 with Journey.
The Hall suddenly realized with Journey they messed up. In 2018 Bon Jovi along with the Cars were inducted. Stevie Nicks and Janet Jackson followed in 2019. More accurately the Voters have favored 80s as they became nominated. The Cars became eiligible in 2003! Stevie Nicks in 2006! The Hall has taken to 1980s nominees. The 90s are getting some love, but older influential acts are being skipped over. And thats what stalled the 80s except for Madonna and Metallica. I mean K-Dawg take a look at 2011 and 2012 you will No 80s NOT much. There was GnR but they burst thru in the end of the 80s. After that Journey got the Hall fully force with the 80s. Journey, the Cars, the Cure, Janet Jackson were skipped over for Nirvana and Green Day of the 90s. Respond respond

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 02:50am


So what is the qualifications for "major festival headliners" to this website's checklist? Just Coachella? Because it appears Reading and Glastonbury don't count given New Order is unchecked

Posted by Guest on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 04:56am


power,

The acts below are all 1970-1990. These all need work and are basically key for the 1970s and 80s

Guess Who
Bachman Turner Overdirve
Foghat
Jethro Tull
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Harold Melvyn & bluenotes
the Spinners
Rufus
Joe Walsh
Phil Collins
Don Henley
Dwight Twilley
Bryan Adams
Billy Idol
Huey Lewis & News
Simple Minds
Tracy Chapman
Midnight Oil

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 11:58am


Hey Guys,

I talked to brucewayneofgotham from https://forums.stevehoffman.tv (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll on https://forums.stevehoffman.tv regarding inside information about the 2023 official voting and also if his predictions for the 2023 inductees (Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon) are still the same as well https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/ and he replied back to me and he said:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-115

I always believed you have to stand by your predictions

but George Michael and the White Stripes support seems to be evaporating , somewhat so 7 may be the voted in number

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 13:10pm


I think the chance of George not being inducted in this year is almost zero. Last year, there was rumor that Carly Simon did poorly and ATCQ was strong and the rumor seemed to be fake. I still believe the 6 inductees will be Crow, Lauper, Elliott, Nelson, Michael, Zevon. If 7, one of the White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden and A Tribe Called Quest will be the no.7. Most of them will return on the ballot in 2024 and are almost locked to be inducted in a weaker ballot.

George is 100% lock.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 13:39pm


I think the two Grohl advocates in this year are Iron Maiden and George Michael. He will support the b52s, pixies, Jane's addiction, Motorhead and bad brains in five years.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 13:51pm


Ben, yes, there are still a ton of snubs in performer category in 1970-1990. It may need 15-20 years to induct most of snubs. The Spinners has the highest chance of induction in your list.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 13:55pm


Power,

but everyone predicted Janet Jackson to get in FYN in 2016, Radiohead to get in FYE in 2018, Todd Rundgren to get in FYN in 2019 and Pat Benatar to get in FYN in 2020 and they all got shockingly snubbed in those years so George Michael not getting in FYN this year is going to be the shocker of this year (2023) based on the inside information regarding about the 2023 official voting that I'm getting from my voter friend brucewayneofgotham from https://forums.stevehoffman.tv (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll on https://forums.stevehoffman.tv

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 14:19pm


I am curious about the prediction of K-Dawg in 2023 now. His predictions are very accurate in the last three years.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 14:22pm


Richie, the winner of fan vote is very likely to be inducted in?most years (except for dmb). George has stronger support from industry and critics than DMV. Therefore, the chance of George is very high. I do not think ATCQ and the Spinners he mentions will obtain more popular votes than George. Plus the critics vote of George will be split by Kate Bush and JD/NO

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 14:27pm


See this version.

Richie, the winner of fan vote is very likely to be inducted in most years (except for dmb). George has stronger support from industry and critics than DMB. Therefore, the chance of George is very high. I do not think ATCQ and the Spinners he mentions will obtain more popular votes than George. Plus the critics vote of ATCQ will be split by Kate Bush and JD/NO.

Richie, you should consider that the total results of vote will be counted in the end. The results will not be known in the process Hence, this user just pretends to be a voter and is not a real voter.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 14:32pm


Power

In the end, I agreed with Tom's prediction. I think White Stripes, Soundgarden, Kate Bush, and Joy Division/New Order will be the dark horses if there are 7 inductees.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 14:41pm


Power,

but I have to respectfully disagree with you, Something is telling me that George will end up like DMB and he'll not get in this year despite being #1 in the fan vote just like DMB was in 2020 based on the inside information regarding about the 2023 official voting that I'm getting from my voter friend brucewayneofgotham from https://forums.stevehoffman.tv (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll on https://forums.stevehoffman.tv

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 14:49pm


I can also create an account and say I am a voter. It has no difficulty. You can not prove he is a real voter. We can see the result in May. George's spot is very solid.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 14:56pm


I don't think anyone has counted this website's new indicator tab, and I think some of it is wonky for an artist's chances, but if we give one point for each checkmark and I calculated right we get the following:

Willie Nelson - 10
The White Stripes - 7
Missy Elliott - 7
Soundgarden - 6
Rage Against the Machine - 6
Cyndi Lauper - 6
Sheryl Crow - 4
George Michael - 4
A Tribe Called Quest - 4
Kate Bush - 3
Joy Division/New Order - 3
Warren Zevon - 1
The Spinners -1
Iron Maiden - 0

Which would have a clear top six of Willie Nelson, White Stripes, Missy Elliot, Soundgarden, Rage Against the Machine and Cyndi Lauper. This would be a great induction class

Posted by Guest on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 16:20pm


This has been a harder year for me to predict and I've waffled more than I have in years past. Maybe I'm overthinking, but Joy Division/New Order and Cyndi Lauper have seemed slam dunks to me from the start. I'm going to predict 7, and I hate to say it, but I haven't been as steadfast on it as in the past:

Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
White Stripes
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
I hate to say it, but I'm gonna predict Missy Elliott
if 8, Kate Bush

Spinners Early Influence
Iron Maiden Musical Excellence

Also, if Kate Bush isn't nommed proper, she will get in ME

I hate being this vanilla, but despite my objections of Missy being elected so early, it seemed logical to me that the Hall is gonna take up another 90s to contemporary act, and Sheryl Crow just doesn't have the staying power that Missy does. And Kate Bush is going in one way or another this year. Too much of a golden ticket to not capitalize on the Stranger Things success.

Lastly, notice fully half of my choices for induction have either roots or influence by the LGBTQ community. The Hall is all in on this as well.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 16:47pm


This true voter thinks JD/NO have 95% chance of induction. I am not that optimistic. I think they are more possible in no.7-no.11.

https://uproxx.com/indie/steven-hyden-ballot-rock-hall-of-fame/

I have seen more than one voter feeling great about the chance of JD/NO.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 17:43pm


K-Dawg

I think with the main performance category, they're probably going to put two British acts because since it's the American rock hall they probably want to keep it 95% American with the inductees. Of course George Michael will be a slam dunk, but it will be either Kate Bush or Joy Division/New Order to be the second British act in the performance category. Iron Maiden are sadly a lost cause at this point for this year's induction. This make me sound crazy, but I actually think Kate has a chance to be the second Brit to join George Michael as the only two Brits in the performance induction category.

If Joy Division / New Order get the second Brit spot, then Kate would end up in the ME category, but there's still a part of me that thinks Kate has the greater advantage than JD/NO to be the second Brit alongside George to end up in the performance category. We shall see in May

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 17:44pm


K-Dawg,
This is a VERY tight year for predictions, possibly the tightest ever. Realistically in my opinion Willie and Lauper (who I think has tons of support from all over) are the locks, and the other 4-5 slots are completely up for grabs by just about the entirety of the rest. All of them can be consider very worthy for a slot and majority of the ones who don't make it this year almost certainly will next year

power,
They to me are the absolute close cutoff this year. Like 6th-8th place, and some thinking they are shoe-ins and voting elsewhere doesn't help them when I see them in that really close range. That's why I think they are the darkest dark horse - I think they are going to be RIGHT on the cutoff line, one way or the other, and how the hall cuts it themselves (as in 6th or 7th place are the last one in) might also decide it.

Posted by Guest on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 17:59pm


Hey Guys,

Do any of you guys watch or get or have ABC or watch American Idol?. American Idol is doing a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame night on April 30, The Top 12 contestants will perform songs by Rock and Roll Hall of Famers, so please check it out if or when you have a chance that night if you watch or get or have ABC or watch American Idol.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/20/2023 @ 20:40pm


K-Dawg,

I have some questions I am sure you will answer. My big question is Why on earth you left out Sheryl Crow. She is a big score for the 90s. I personally owned all her albums during the course of the 90s. Well most of them. My 2 1990s picks are Sheryl Crow and Missy Elliot at the same time. Hey my upbringing was Vanilla. I was in a typical Jewish household in Kew Garden Queens. Sadly I have NEVER left the United States. I will stop with tangent. Missy Elliot was the wrong genre for me during the 1990s. I was swamped with listening to the Alternative of Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Candlebox and slightly later on lots of Sheryl Crow, Dave Matthews Band, Shawn Colvin, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Loreena McKennitt, Phish, Francis Dunnery, Medeski Martin and Wood, etc etc. In any case I read in the late 90s I think about Missy Elliot. It was just before Internet was huge. I think Sheryl and Missy Elliot both have staying power.

My predictions for 2023 AGAIN

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliot
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
the SPINNERS
Warren Zevon
If 8 Cyndi Lauper

MUSICAL Excellence
Kate Bush
IRON MAIDEN

EARLY influence:
Big Mama Thornton
BING Crosby
the SPINNERS

I think Elle Dee is going to be wrong about Kate Bush as a performer. BUT she will perform anyway as an M Excellence

Both you and Elle should Respond as soon as you are able. I am looking forward to that. Respond RESPOND

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 02:54am


I just want to get all the Nominees covered. Many including me have covered
Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Joy Division,/N Order, Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson
Many of us also chatted
about
Rage A T Machine- I think they will miss again and come back in 2024
Soundgarden- I think This is a Huge chance of induction. A Key Alternative band of Seattle 1990s scene. Its gotta happen. the great Chris Cornell Has been dead 5 years.

I am here to cover George Michael.
Ahh George Michael

. Michael's debut solo album, Faith, was released in 1987. Globally it sold 25 million copies, and four singles from the album—"Faith", "Father Figure", "One More Try", and "Monkey"—reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100. Michael became the best-selling music artist of 1988. His second solo album, Listen Without Prejudice Vol. 1 (1990), sold approximately eight million copies. Both album were huge in the US. It included the number one song Praying for Time" and the worldwide hit "Freedom! '90". A 1991 live duet with Elton John, "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me", which everyone and their mother knows. Michael went on to release two more multimillion-selling albums, Older (1996) and Patience (2004). I have never listened actively to his music. My wife loves soft older pop. She says his hits are slightly off beat for her. I know she loves CARLY SIMON, Billy Joel and Lionel Richie a lot. And most soft pop hits 1970-1999. I think he is OK. Lets gather around and chat about George Michael for a short while. Respond Respond EVERYBODY

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 04:45am


I think the dark horse will be one of the White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, A Tribe Called Quest, Soundgarden. Kate Bush will go straight in ME I think. I do not believe rumor of the Spinners by the fake voter richie belives. If there is self-claimed inner source information, Richie will believe with no-brianer. If I have to rank the chance of the dark horse, I have ATCQ > the White Stripes > JD/NO > Soundgarden.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 05:55am


I think the most likely scenario is that there will be only one British artist in main performer category. We should focus on the cases more in 2021 and 2022 as new people operate the process since 2021.
In 2021, the inductees in performer are all from America. In 2022, Duran Duran, Eurythmics are British artists. I am not optimistic on the chance of JD/NO and Kate Bush as they are not as popular as the fab five and Eurythmics, but I think JD/NO are more likely ranking in 8-11 finally and have decent chance in 2024.

In 2017 (ELO, Yes), 2018 (Dire Straits, the Moody Blues), 2019 (Def Leppard, the Cure, Radiohead, Roxy Music, the Zombies) and 2020 (Depeche Mode, T.Rex), there are multiple inductees from British. However, the trend may change after John Sykes operating the process.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 06:19am


To me, the trend doesn't always follow nationality. The fact duran duran and Eurythmics went in last year is exactly why I'm predicting joy division/New Order. They are the next big new wave name, and the hall really wants to showcase the genre

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 11:13am


K-Dawg

Also, Kate is new wave adjacent (even I mainly classify her as art pop), which makes her vs JD/NO for the performance category spot all the more challenging.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 11:24am


Ben,

Regarding George Michael, there is no precedent for excluding a star of his magnitude and influence once nominated. He easily ranks with Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey in terms of success. He is also one the few white artists to crossover strongly to the black charts with the Faith album. That said, Whitney and Janet had to wait, and Mariah is still waiting. But given the new voter body makeup I think GM has a strong shot, if not this year then next. I do not think the scandals will hurt him as homosexuality is pretty acceptable to most Hall voters. He might be hurt a little by lack of critical acclaim ( Acclaimed Music rates him 328), but even there he is ahead of Whitney, Sheryl Crow, Cyndi, and Mariah. Plus he is well respected by his peers

Posted by souljah on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 11:29am


K-Dawg
I get your point. JD/NO is the only pure new wave artist the committee puts on the ballot to not split votes by other contenders in similar genre. I think after JD/NO, the b52's and the Smiths will be the next two new wave artists to be nominated. It seems that the nomination committee wants JD/NO more and put them in higher priority.

Elle Dee
I think voters in America will prefer JD/NO over Kate Bush as JD/NO have more commercial success in America.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 11:34am


Power,

Your comments regarding the voting body makeup changes pursuant to John Sykes role are valid. That said, JD/NO is extraordinarily qualified. Each group separately would rate induction, combined it is hard to see them being overlooked. But even Radiohead had to wait a year. And don't get me started about Bowie!

I think JD/NO have the same level of credibility as Eurhythmics, Depeche Mode, Roxy Music and T. Rex. Of course the first two each required more than one nomination, but I think the Hall is a bit more receptive to JD/NO now. As Elle Dee points out Kate may siphon off some votes.

Elle Dee,

Interesting comment about keeping it 95% US acts. There has historically been a bias towards British acts, but that may be changing. But you saw the Zombies, Hollies Donovan, DC5 and otherss getting in ahead of Chicago, Ronstadt, etc.

On the other hand the Hall has ignored John Mayall, Alexis Korner, Cyril Davies and Graham Bond, which surprises me, TBH.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 11:41am


Souljah

It makes sense that there's going to be vote splitting between Kate and JD/NO because they both represent '80s British alternative music on the ballot.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 11:57am



mat r, thanks for your information.

It seems that many people believe the six (crow, george, elliott, nelson, lauper, zevon) will be inducted.

Voters seem to be tired of RATM constantly appear on the ballot.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 15:04pm


Elle Dee,

You make a good point about vote splitting. But it can also work the other way in that a fan of a genre might choose all acts reflecting their taste. For example, although the ballot tracker is a very small database, nine of the 12 Kate Bush voters also picked JD/NO.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 15:17pm


Mat R,

Thanks for sharing the link. That voter seems rather cavalier about his/her vote.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 16:49pm


Honestly, I am just "hopedicting" that A Tribe Called Quest is inducted this year and as the "7th inductee".

And based on the information Mat R shared, and I'm thinking that this anonymous voter is a member of one of the following:

R.E.M. (leaning towards Mike Mills)
Talking Heads (Chris Franz or Jerry Harrison)
Blondie

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 18:46pm


Unlike guy 1 I can't name this guy, he seemingly has too many friends and doesn't want to rock the boat. John is in the right ball park.

Worried about guy #3 he originally agreed but he's communicating via publicist and he seems to want to edit what's said cause the name is on the interview. They've been weird on some stuff and originally wanted to do it on instagram live as part of some event thing he does.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/21/2023 @ 21:48pm


soulja,

Yeah, I've known since the 80s that he is one the few white artists to crossover strongly to the black charts with the Faith album. That said, Whitney and Janet had to wait, and Mariah is still waiting. But given the new voter body makeup I think GM has a strong shot, and I think it's this year and I personally think he will block out Cyndi Lauper. I like Cyndi tremendously more BUT I was soo sure of Pat Benatar in 2020. And was left sooo disappointed. I think George Michael will be an actual inductee, George Michael burst though with his solo album Faith album during 1988. He was not my bag. My brpther blasted the tape in his room all through 1988 and 89. I was blasting my E Clapton, Aerosmith, Yes albums, etc around 1988.
I do not think any controversies will hurt him as homosexuality is pretty acceptable to most Hall voters. He might be hurt a little by lack of critical acclaim but the Voting body and this includes Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart and Elton John will have George M on his Ballot. Neither me or my wife bothered much with his music. My Wife is pure pop of 30-40 years ago and I'm into all the Rock. BUT George Michael has his merits. I was playing the Hit Monkey on Spotify ysterday thats why I was thinking over George M. The big question is why was he passed over so long. He was eligible the same year as Guns n'Roses. He should have been inducted maybe 2013 or 14. BUT at that time the Hall was dealing with the very terrific Cat Stevens, Linda Ronstadt and Kiss. Back here in 2023 I think George Michael will get lots and lots of Votes. I didnt tear myslf away from My rock station and albums back in that time. In other words the rock station WNEW totally stayed away from someone like George M. I noticed a lack of chat on George M. I felt it was right to give him a boost. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 03:02am


I was just looking at a Rolling Stone list for Top Albums of 1989. And let me tell you There is the Motley Crue Dr. Feelgood album. This proves that Rolling Stone rated Motley Crue well in 1989. It was #18. So why the heck doesn't the HAll try hard with M Crue,
And #8 Kate Bush Sensual World. Look at that. And #7 is Warren Zevon Tranverse City.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has always been connected with Rolling Stone a lot.
The #1 Album of 1989 for Rolling Stone magazine was
Don Henley-End of the Innocence.

I'm not totally random and crazy to bring this up. 1989 since to be in the time period the Hall is focused on. I think the Hall has a focus on 1986-1993. Kinda maybe

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 04:40am


The fake voter said

definite: Willie Nelson

very strong: Sheryl Crow , Cyndi Lauper

strong: ATCQ , Missy (we are starting to see more of a split of the Rap Vote , so it may be only one of them) , The Spinners (seem to be still receiving a touch of momentum

right below strong : Zevon , G Michael ....late vote , will make a huge difference , possible for both, but again they are splitting the vote

One of these may-make it , outside shot : WS, SG , RATM, IM (again late vote) but these are splitting the vote in a big way

Again a very outside chance for Kate and JD/NO (and they are splitting their vote) even if the receive much of the late vote, are they too far
behind , ?? find out soon

Posted by driving force on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 06:14am


Zevon and George will be split votes for each other. They are in different genres. George is supported by pop and rnb community and Zevon is supported by rock and singer-songwriter community.

Hence, what the fake voter said is totally wrong and nonsense.

Posted by driving force on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 06:16am


I tend to believe the prediction of K-Dawg more as he is accurate in the prediction in 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022.

Posted by drivingforce on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 06:18am


Current voting rank:
1. Willie Nelson
2. Cyndi Lauper
3. Sheryl Crow
4. George Michael
5. Missy Elliott
6. Warren Zevon
7. A Tribe Called Quest
8. The White Stripes
9. Soundgarden
10. Joy Division/New Order
11. The Spinners
12. Kate Bush
13. Iron Maiden
14. Rage Against the Machine

The final vote may change but this is the current trend.

Posted by BlueOyserCult on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 07:52am


If Kate Bush isn't getting in after last year, she will never get in.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 09:30am


Wow two fake "leak" posts within 2 hours, might be a record

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 10:11am


Ben,

Agree on Benatar, I thought she was a slam dunk, glad she got in on the second try.

FWIW my predictions, haven't changed much since original post.

Willie -- Absolute lock.
Missy -- I still think she is a lock, just checks too many boxes to be ignored.
George Michael -- Massively successful, pretty influential and reasonably well respected. But not a lock.
Sheryl Crow -- I think she is the least qualified, although that is due to the strength of the overall ballot. No bad candidates this year. She is photogenic, connected, kisses up to the powers that be and has a good number of well-known songs. I wouldn't vote for her but I think most voters will.
Warren Zevon -- I have no problem with him, but as stated above, I don't see what he brings that J. J. Cale, John Prine, Townes Van Zandt, Harry Chapin or Gordon Lightfoot don't. But the classic rock folks will rally around him.
JD/NO -- Arguably the most qualified in terms of influence and critical recognition, also very successful. May be hurt by anti British bias, may also have a few voters that think they can wait a year. Of course I thought Radiohead was a slam dunk too.
Cyndi Lauper -- If they take seven. Will be hurt a bit by perception of having only one good (albeit very good and influential) album. May lose votes to SC and ME. But she is certainly in the public eye, between her TV commercials and Broadway work. She should never have recorded "Goonies R Good Enough" though.
Kate Bush -- Sadly I think she is destined for ME. I suspect she is one of the "one hit wonders" referred to by one of the voters Mat R has identified, which is too bad because it is just not the case.
White Stripes -- Usually a nomination in your first year of eligibility is a great sign, but like DMB they seem below the radar this year. Odd because Jack White is respected in the industry, and "Seven Nations Army" is a standard, to the point of being played by college pep bands.
RATM -- AS I have stated, Rap Metal is too difficult a genre for a lot of folks. ME maybe?
Spinners -- I love their stuff, but they were very derivative of the Ink Spots and Mills Brothers, and then the Temptations , never really carved their own identity. And of course their success was driven by Stevie Wonder, and then the great Thom Bell, who definitely belongs. Linda Creed should get some love too while I am at it.
Soundgarden -- I think they fall short
Iron Maiden -- If Priest can't get voted in, hard to see these guys getting there, even though they are fully qualified.
ATCQ -- One of the most acclaimed and influential of all the nominees, only JD/NO are stronger, Willie and Missy in the same ball park. But No real well-known mainstream stuff

Posted by souljah on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 12:09pm


If Kate Bush is not inducted as a performer, I agree with others here that a Musical Excellence induction is in order. Would like consideration for Thom Bell, Arthur Baker, Marv Johnson and Carole Kaye

Posted by souljah on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 12:50pm


The white stripes not getting in likely reflects their lack of interest. Meg would not show and Jack openly doesn't even know where the hall is and doesn't care. There has been no campaign or acknowledgement of the nomination at all from either party unlike radiohead who's bassist was excited at the nomination

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 13:14pm


Man if it's really Missy/Crow/Michael/Lauper/Obvious Willie induction/wild card it'll be very disappointing. Not even the worst since just about all of them are very worthy of induction but disappointing with the depth of this nominee year and the focus on brand name and pop elements that don't show too much in the way of rock

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 15:24pm


I agree with the anonymous voter Mat R interviewed that the likely scenario of inductees would be George, Missy, Willie, Cyndi, Sheryl, Kate (either in performance or ME), and Warren. Let's be honest, the rock hall want big ratings for their show and they know George, Missy, Sheryl, Cyndi, and Kate are popular with the young folks, especially Kate.

As for the anonymous voter referring to some of the artists on the list as "one hit wonders" and "niche", I think the voters was referring to the fact that you have Iron Maiden, Kate, and Joy Division as niche artists with a lack of giant commercial success in the US versus the UK and Warren Zevon being a one hit wonder with Werewolves of London. Notice when Mat R asked the voter his personal picks and the voter mentioned New Order and only New Order without the Joy Division attached?

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 15:50pm


My final predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon

If 7/Spoilers: Iron Maiden, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest, The White Stripes

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 16:17pm


There is a fata flaw in your logic, albeit a minor one. George Michael is dead. Sure, we can honor him, but are they going to bring in Andrew Ridgeley to accept for him? Yes, I do realize he will probably be inducted anyway

The Hall likes to attract the younger clientele of course, but it's never exclusively been that. That is why I think Warren Zevon is a slam dunk; he fills both songwriter and rocker ambitions. I realize he is dead as well, but aging music fans love a great tribute.

We're at the limit of speculations at this point for many; I'm sure most of us are just ready to start tearing into the list when it finally comes out in a week or two. That said, it has been refreshing to not have copy/paste responses here...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 16:18pm


Mat R

Re: White Stripes

I agree with your assessment. For me, I also think that the Nom Com's changing of the eligibility dates kinda hurt them.

Everyone who's following the Rock Hall knows that Missy Elliott will eligible this year and everyone was focusing mainly on her, whereas people find the White Stripe's surprise nomination either "they can wait" or groan because they find that such a Rock Hall move.

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 16:24pm


I think the next big 80's New Wave/Alternative acts to get inducted into the Rock Hall following Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics should and will be The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News, Culture Club and Human League, not Joy Division/New Order. I think JD/NO's lack of major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America will really hurt their chances of getting inducted with the current voting body/committee whereas the other acts that I mentioned (The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News, Culture Club and Human League) all had major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America so they all have much better chances of getting in with the current voting body/committee when they finally get nominated.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 16:31pm


Maybe an unpopular opinion, not too sure, but Wham/George Michael should have been inducted as one act combined together like JD/NO instead of just George. You'd just need to add Ridgeley to the bill and you cover George's entire career and have someone to accept for him, and to me it's basically the same linage act with how much George was the driving force on Wham. There's also blurred lines between the acts too like how Careless Whisper was promoted as by Wham or by George Michael depending on release, so you can argue George Michael's solo career is basically the same thing

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 16:38pm


The hall nominates JD/NO before he B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News, Culture Club and Human League, it shows that the committee thinks the JD/NO has better chance to be voted or are more important to be inducted first. Artists like Human League and Culture Club may never get a nomination.

Richie knows nothing about the history of popular music, he does not infer the motivation of the committee. Richie predicted Celion Dion to be nominated, which is extremely laughable. I can bet JD/NO will be inducted in three years. They are different with Devo. They have more commercial success and higher criticism.

Posted by driving force on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 16:48pm


It should be noted that New Order sales more albums than Todd Rundgren in America actually.

If Todd can be inducted in three times, why JD/NO can't.

The more "popular" new wave artists like the B-52's, INXS will also be hard to be inducted this year if JD/NO are not nominated.

Every time I see Richie's nonsense posts I will become angry and irritability.

Posted by driving force on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 16:54pm


driving force,

If Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson and Warren Zevon end up being the 2023 inductees (which all signs are pointing to), What are your predictions for the 2024-2028 nominees and inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 16:55pm


Richie said T.Rex and Roxy Music got in because Marc Bolan and Bryan Ferry knew industry people.

It is totally wrong and nonsense. They are more worshiped in English not America. The American voters vote them in just because of their influence and legacy, not because their industry connection in America. They most connect with artists and media in England, not America.

I do not say JD/NO will be inducted in FYN like T.Rex and Roxy Music, which are not huge in America but with high criticism, but the chance of being inducted in three years is decent.

Posted by driving force on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 17:01pm


The only reason JD/NO might not be in this year (and even then they might squeeze in this year) is just how strong the ballot is. They will 100% be in by 2024 if not this year because they hit every mark of critical success (might be the most critically beloved act in this nominee list), heavy influence in multiple genres that basically any inductee who started late 70s onward is influenced by, well known brand names and commercially successful material. There's a reason they were considered anywhere from the #1-#5 biggest snubs even when counted as separate groups

You know who can go on on his tangents (and will) but that's the simple fact. As much argument as saying Willie Nelson won't get in IMO

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 17:06pm


Wondering if that "leak" was really you, BlueOysterCult….
Will be really disappointed if that's the result for this year, oh well.

Posted by Pink on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 17:26pm


Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2023: From most likely to less likely.

1. Willie Nelson - Definitely a lock for FYN induction.

2. Joy Division/New Order - Post punk & new wave is getting more well-known with the voters given the fact artists in those genres: The Cure & Depeche Mode were inducted 3 - 4 years ago, Joy Division/New Order would be following them as next acts to be inducted.

3. Missy Elliott - Having a female rapper getting inducted is the further step for Hip Hop in the RRHOF so it's very possible Missy Elliott would be the 1st one to do so.

4. Sheryl Crow - 2022 was Crow's big year & given her previous appearances at past ceremonies, she'll most likely be following her influences in induction this year.

5. George Michael - Very likely will be the only winner at the Top 5 fan ballot to be enshrined.

6. Warren Zevon - He'll get inducted either way, mostly because he's more known for behind the scenes than his own solo work.

7. Cyndi Lauper - I don't mind seeing Lauper inducted but she might face the same problem as Pat Benatar given a few reasons.

8. Soundgarden - Could this be their time, if not then 2024 would be their calling because I'll be 30 years since Superunknown was released.

9. Kate Bush - 4th nomination isn't not gonna make a difference for every artist even if they have a resurgence thanks to popular culture. Unfortunately Kate Bush is among those who would be inducted through special categories like Musical Excellence.

10. Iron Maiden - As of right now, Iron Maiden would eventually have to wait until they receive their 3rd nomination & the Hall themselves deciding what to do with them.

11. The White Stripes - Before the announcement of this year's nominees, I've seen no one predicted the White Stripes up for 2023 given the fact of the eligibility date rule (meaning 25 - 26 years after debut album), With said, they'll get there but when you had artists/bands like David Bowie, Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols etc all took multiple nominations to finally be taken seriously by the voters then I could see WS wait by 2025 to finally getting inducted.

12. A Tribe Called Quest - They're facing competition from Missy Elliott & because the lack of female rappers, next year would be better for Tribe.

13. Rage Against the Machine - As I said with bands taking multiple nominations to finally being inducted, well that can't be said for others. RATM has their final shot to be inducted as performers otherwise they'll be done for nomination route & have to be included in one of the special categories unless the Hall finally decides to create a veterans committee just like Baseball HOF.

14. The Spinners - It's their 4th nomination like Kate Bush but unfortunately with the Hall being more inclusive with 80's & 90's plus Willie Nelson being a lock, The Spinners would have to go through the non voting method to finally be inducted.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 17:36pm


Pink,

What "leak"? If it's what was posted on here today anyone who says what the specific "voting total" is now is 100% BSing. If there's one somewhere else please provide it

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 17:40pm


My feeling is that if The Foos can get in as FYEs then The White Stripes can be FYEs too.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 17:45pm


PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan
Wolfman Jack

SPECIAL COMMITTEE 2
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Wings
The Jeff Beck Group
The Mothers of Invention
The Silver Bullet Band
The Revolution
The Belmonts
The Wailers
The Steve Miller Band
The Patti Smith Group

Posted by Roscoe on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 17:46pm


To be fair, that's why the Hall needs to induct 2 - 3 bands this year, when was the last time any class has only solo artists as performers?

Everyone,

JD/NO were & still a pretty big deal to rock & roll as honorees like The Velvet Underground, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Kraftwerk, Neil Young etc based on influence, innovation & cultural impact alone. Heck out of this year's nominees, they're the most deserving of the bunch. Having them nominated this year goes to show that the RRHOF needs to induct more legacy historic based acts rather than all safe artists. That's what the Hall stands for.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 17:51pm


Ron Jenkins,

but I have to respectfully disagree with you on JD/NO, Even though they absolutely deserve induction and they're one of the biggest snubs of the Rock Hall by far, I see them suffering the same fate as Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements (80's New Wave/Alternative acts that are not mainstream enough to get in right away with the current voting body/committee), I think the only 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that I think would get right away with the current voting body/committee are The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles and Tears For Fears (with Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News, Culture Club and Human League outside shots).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 18:03pm


The more the deadline approaches, the more confusing and anxious I get about making my final predictions.

The one thing that's giving me pause is that there is no way the Hall would have a Performer class that all just got their first nomination. The Hall mostly inducts at least 2 previously nominated artists in each year.

As of now, here is my "hopediction":

Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
A Tribe Called Quest
Warren Zevon
(Going back and fourth on either Kate Bush or Sheryl Crow)

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 18:05pm


Richie

Will you stop talking about Joy Division/New Order already. Every time you talk about them it always sounds like you don't like them because they're insignificant and don't want them inducted, and basically disregard people here who are fans of the band(s) despite giving claims of their importance.

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 18:07pm


John R.C.,

I really want JD/NO to get inducted don't get me wrong, but I just don't want it to happen this year over more commercially successful and popular artists, In a weaker year, Yes for sure, but just not this year given the competition.

Also, The Hall only inducted one previously nominated act in the Performers category in 1988, 1989, 2003, 2005, 2011 and 2017 and they also had an all-FYN class in the Performers category in 2009 as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 18:21pm


Paulk in KY,

I always have felt that Foos are sort of Tom Petty for the 21st century. Not terribly innovative, but intelligently derivative of past artists, and produce consistently strong enjoyable output. They won five Grammys for best Rock Album, without really being innovative. Of course the Grammys are not about innovation, but it seems a lot of voters are in that mainstream mode.

Elle Dee,

Agree on New Order comment. Odd that the voter seems to ignore 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', which was a huge song. And of course you are right about ratings, which is how we got Ringo as AME.

Posted by souljah on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 18:23pm


Richie,

Re JD/NO comments, only The Smiths are apropos, Devo and 'Mats are not on the same planet as either JD or NO, much less in combination. I certainly could understand them missing this year, but to suggest Tears for Fears, Huey Lewis or The Bangles ahead of them is pretty unlikely. Culture Club and B-52's seem reasonable, and I expect B-52's within a couple years.

Posted by souljah on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 18:28pm


Roscoe,

I enjoy your comments. You mentioned some AME and Early Influence suggestions.
Jackie Brentson and His Delta Cats -- Rocket 88 is already in as a Single, and the Delta Cats on this record were actually Ike Turner's Kings of Rhythm. He might get in, but to me he is not all that influential outside of this one record. Stranger things have happened though.
The Big Bopper -- Actually, Chantilly Lace is a good candidate for a Single award. Jape, not so much. Although he is singing background on "Running Bear", FWIW
Chubby Checker -- He belongs, but it is rare for a performer (who was not also a session artist) from the 60's on to get in via AME without a couple nominations first. But Ringo did,, so I suppose it happens.

EARLY INFLUENCE
The Sugarhill Gang -- I actually thought they would get in before Sylvia Robinson, so shows what I know. Certainly influential with that recording. I could also see this (Rapper's Delight) in the Single category.
Big Mama Thornton -- Decent choice, most people only know her as the original recorder of "Hound Dog". They seem to forget that she wrote and recorded "Ball and Chain". She belongs, influenced Etta James among others.
Big Maybelle -- Fine singer, but I think she is a notch or two below Thornton and Etta James.

Posted by souljah on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 18:42pm


Richie,

What I've said about JD/NO are facts not opinions, take a look how many bands from the 90's & beyond like Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins, Interpol, Placebo etc got their sound from these icons. Now granted, it might take them few more nominations like The Cure & Depeche Mode but I guarantee they'll get there sooner rather than later. Plus they have more time because the Hall is more focusing on the 80's & 90's rather than 60's & 70's.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 19:32pm


Speaking of influence, Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan just did an interview where Rock Hall questions were brought up and he mentioned how he said that Joy Division was the second more important band ever after The Beatles, and that New Order is up there too. Hyperbole or bias, sure, but it cannot be stressed how influential and significant these two bands are to just about any 1980s and beyond artist

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/billy-corgan-new-smashing-pumpkins-record-1234715166/

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 19:54pm


Billy Corgan should induct JD/NO. That would also help Smashing Pumpkins' nomination chances. It helped Nine Inch Nails get inducted when Trent Reznor inducted The Cure.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 21:05pm


Richie just does not listen to others points except he loves to lick the ass of the fake voter. He just repeated the same thing endlessly. He does not respond to the points by other people. I think he has better go to fourm talking about billboard chart to support his popular idol. He does not know the evolution of the popular music.

Posted by driving force on Saturday, 04/22/2023 @ 23:53pm


Other people give their reason and points. Richie just ignores them and just said his nonsense "speculation" to make harm to other users. I hate richie more after every time talking with him.


There will be no other additional information for us until the results are given if nothing will be leaked before the announcement. What we can do is to just wait for the result and then discuss about the 2023 inductees and possible 2024 nominees and inductees.

Posted by driving force on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 00:24am


We have other resources...


Casper, I'm talking about you lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 00:42am


K-Dawg,
I agree, SInce duran duran and Eurythmics went in last year that is exactly why I'm predicting joy division/New Order. They are the new wave pick this year. Now New Wave is NOT my biggest forte. It wasnt in the 80s and looking back still Not. BUT I did buy albums of A Flock of Seagulls and Duran Duran. BUT Journey and Motley Crue became a huge focus for me awhile. Arena Rock pop and Heavy rock. But I DO NOT delete JD/New Order. Its a sure thing for Predictions. Heyy also I remember dancing at Parties to NEW order at the College 1983-86. Electronic music is NOT something I ever listened to at Home. I would play some Van Morrison, Allman Brothers B and Aersosmith after I woke up from a Party. New Order as a stand alone are good party music. And thats NOT something richie will say. He may NOT have been born yet. And could NOT know about the actual 1980s parties Live.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 04:20am


Now me I listen to all kinds of points of view. I am a man of rational thought. richie is a good person I figure he will embrace rational thought later. Now how about some early 90s. I have a 1991 Rock list here. Great White. I love Great White for about a year. I see Red Hot C P Blood Sugar is on the 1991 thing. We alll know NIRVANA is in the Hall. Any chance of Damn Yankees. Damn Yankees as M Excellence. Yeah thats silly. Ahh there is Inxs
Black Crowes
Sting- All This Time its listed Sting solo. Was he nominated yet??
Ahhh Marc Cohn

How about these. I think soooo EXcept for Damn Yankees thats a TOTAL joke

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 07:07am


Ben,

Sting was nominated solo, did not get in. As I have stated, I don't think much of inducting artists whose career seems to me to be an extension of their group work. So Sting, Stevie Winwood, Stevie Nicks (maybe it's the name Stevie that bothers me? :) ), Ringo, George and even in a way Clapton don't merit solo induction to me. But Sting is well-connected, and he did win a Billboard Century Award, so you never know.

Great White -- Some good stuff, but probabl not, especially since they are now most remembered for the terrible club fire at The Station
Damn Yankees -- If Styx isn't in I don't see DY either.

INXS and Black Crowes are long shots, but possible. Marc Cohn seemed to disappear after his first album.

Posted by souljah on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 07:57am


INXS is probably getting in. They've inducted 80s bands with less accolades, and INXS actually has a fair amount of influence and success.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 09:44am


Yea

Inxs will get in. Probably will take 2 or 3 nominations but it'll happen

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 12:46pm


A potential inductee is ATCQ, if there are seven inductees, ATCQ will have great chance to make it. ATCQ recieve lots of votes lately.The chance of George Michael is very solid despite the rumors of his potential fail. Crow and Lauper may split rule but at bow they are lock. If the Hall wants to induct 6 from information of committee, ATCQ still has decent chance.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 12:49pm


As of now, the chance of ATCQ being inducted is 70%, even higher than Zevon.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 12:58pm


BlueOysterCult

What about Missy, Kate, JD/NO, Soundgarden, The Spinners, etc?

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 13:21pm


Missy is a done-deal.

The cases for Soundgarden and JD/NO depend on final votes.

Kate Bush performs bad in ballot and will be pushed for side category.

The voting result for the Spinners is not good although there are some nonsense rumors for their induction.

Current ranking:
1. Willie Nelson
2. Cyndi Lauper
3. Sheryl Crow
4. George Michael
5. Missy Elliott
6. Warren Zevon
7. A Tribe Called Quest
8. The White Stripes
9. Soundgarden
10. Joy Division/New Order
11. The Spinners
12. Kate Bush
13. Iron Maiden
14. Rage Against the Machine

I can see the white stripes perform worse in the end as some voters think it is early to induct them.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 13:57pm


Some voters are tired of seeing RATM on the ballot. It hurts the chance of RATM. Iron Maiden and RATM appearing on the same ballot is bad for the chance of RATM.

Willie Nelson, Cyndi Lauper, Sheryl Crow, George Michael and Missy Elliott are very likely to be inducted.

Zevon and ATCQ are serious contenders and ATCQ is getting momentum now. Do not be suprised if ATCQ will be inducted and Zevon not.

Soundgarden may face competitions from other guitar rock artists like Iron Maiden, RATM and the White Stripes, they will split votes.

Some voters know the value of JD/NO and they think JD/NO are done-deal and do not need their votes. Some other voters who tend to vote for more popular artists will not vote for JD/NO. JD/NO do not receive enough votes due to these reasons. JD/NO will make 1-2 more tries to be inducted like Depeche Mode and the Cure.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 14:09pm


So out of boredom I decided to create a mock-up/idea of a new FRL logo considering the current one is a bit outdated. Heres the Imgur link for it: https://imgur.com/a/ymXmDit

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 15:19pm


Anyone have thoughts on the logo I made

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 17:12pm


Raichu

I love the logo you made. Especially adding major artists like Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish on it since they have been making major strides in their career in the past few years.

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 18:11pm


Raichu, congratulations on the excellent logo you made! I love it!

I definitely think Future Rock Legends should consider making Raichu's logo the new main logo for the site soon. Great job, Raichu!

Posted by Johnny on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 19:05pm


BlueOysterCult,

Is it really real, true and correct that you are getting real inside information regarding about the 2023 official voting and the 2023 official voting results from Rock Hall sources?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 20:16pm


The nom com REALLY needs to give RATM a break for a few years. It seems like everybody is tired of seeing them on the ballot every year.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 04/23/2023 @ 22:50pm


Richie,

Either way, truer than your Twitter buddy

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 00:55am


Richie, if you do not believe the source, please do not ask me this kind of thing to show your disrespect to me.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 02:14am


soulja,

Hey I threw in the acts Great White and Damn Yankees to get some arena rock in there, A better term for what I'm trying to say is AOR bands. While the rest of the world was hung up on new wave I was hung up on the AOR bands. Now arena rock can also include Led Zeppeiln, Aerosmith and AC/DC. And also Grand Funk railroad. With roots in the progressive rock movement, AOR was best known for power ballads and epic songs. . Styx, Journey, Foreigner, Boston, Kansas and Night Ranger were among the stars of this branch of arena rock. I will use the term AOR for the style I'm talking about. Just so you know I was NOT a big fan of Boston. I was a Boston fan at 12. I was played out and done with them by 16 years old. I love Styx and Journey, I happen to like some Kansas. I tend towards the hits with Kansas, Carry on Wayward Son was a very exciting to me when It was released. Kansas have a terrific tune called the Wall. You of all the people here may know it.
I like the Rock of the 1960s and 70s of a bit earlier than the AOR bands. I love Yes and ELP even more than these AOR bands. I got a bit of a thing for Progressive rock since about 1979. I own a large amount of Yes and ELP. Thus I was at odds with the original punk movement. I was looking forward to the next Yes and ELP albums at the height of punk. But then both of these great bands broke up. The thing about punk is it relies on basic loud songs with a wild rebellion. I was Not looking for wild rebellion I was looking for laid band bands and also the cool progressive sounds. Prog rock ruled man
I have always loved some prog rock since the 70s. While the genre is often cited for its merging of high culture and rock style, few artists incorporated literal classical themes in their work to any great degree, and only a handful of groups, such as Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Renaissance, purposely emulated or referenced classical music. But I also Love the Who and Led Zeppelin. which is just great rock without the Prog. But the Who did Quadrophnia. You know alll of this. I will stop or this will get annoying to some.
Back to the AOR bands. The AOR bands made up for the prog rock heyday that ended. How do yu feel about bands like Styx and Journey, etc. I had a few Styx album and 2 Journey albums 40 years ago. Veryyy sorry about the long things. When is Styx inducted? Whats on your mind with this

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 02:35am


Raichu, I love your logo!

Posted by power on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 04:01am


I have read rumors from other forums, I think the Spinners are like ATCQ of the last year to confuse people. ATCQ was claimed to be inducted in the rumors of the last year. If the rumor does not have surprise, no one will pay attention to the rumor. George Michael is a larger RnB related artist than the Spinners.

This will be a big class. If more than 7 artists are inducted, the induction ceremony will become too long and be hard to be arranged. Committee members I know expect class with six.

As of today, I expect a class with Nelson, Lauper, Crow, Michael, Missy, ATCQ with Kate Bush in side doors. Zevon also has a decent chance.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 04:15am


This will not be a big class. If more than 7 artists are inducted, the induction ceremony will become too long and be hard to be arranged. Committee members I know expect class with six.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 04:17am


I think Blood, Sweat & Tears may be nominated in the next year.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 05:26am


Blue Oyster Cult,

I agree this will NOT be a big class More than 7 Inductees the Ceremony will be too long. There will be perhaps 6 Performer inductees. And a whole bunch of Special categories. It will run like last year

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 05:50am


Final Predictions

Yeah... I still really don't know with this ballot. There are just so many ways it could go, so I'm just gonna play it safe here.

1. Willie Nelson
2. George Michael
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. Sheryl Crow
5. Missy Elliott
6. The White Stripes

I also have a hunch that we might see a mostly or all-female slate of side category inductees as a response to some of the bad press they've gotten this cycle. Kate Bush, Carol Kaye, and Big Mama Thornton stick out to me as very plausible picks (and yes, I'll just keep predicting Kaye and Thornton every year until they're in because they're huge omissions)

Posted by RG on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 07:31am


If BOC isn't a larp (which I still think it is) this will be a MASSIVELY disappointing induction year given the depth of artists available. Even if there's many great choices in that proposed induction leak
If not one rock outfit is in but Missy Elliot is FYI we have to reorganize voting entirely

Posted by Guest on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 07:31am


RG,

I have mentioned Carole Kaye several times, huge omission and frankly insulting and sexist. She is being blackballed (I believe) for having the audacity to claim she played on a lot of Motown sessions. While I think she is mixing up some artists, there is no question that Motown was using LA session artists, and was moving mostly to LA as early as 1969, although the Temptations continued to be Detroit-cut well into the 70's. Earl Palmer and Hal Blaine have both substantiated, at least to some extent, her claims. But even if she is incorrect, it is not malice on her part. Her exclusion is inexcusable. Oh, and I strongly concur on Bush and Thornton.

Posted by souljah on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 08:28am


Gonna say this, if they do the class boc is saying no one will watch it. There's no draw largely cause Willie will have done 14 specials this year by that point.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 08:43am


The Spinners in the top 5 in vote? It is a joke.

The change of eligibility hurts the chance of the White Stripes, many people think they can not be voted in this year.

After the fan vote is over, more information will be leaked.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 08:51am


Alex Voltaire's Predictions:

Willie Nelson
Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper (if 7)

https://northumbriancountdown.wordpress.com/2023/04/23/predictions-for-rockhall2023-inductees/

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 09:38am


I think that we'll just have to wait and see what happens, That's all we can do.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 09:43am


Ben,

In response to your comments, there are a lot of AOR or arena rock bands that at least deserve a look. If the Hall is going to more of a popularity contest rather than influence and acclaim, then certainly those bands you mention should get a vote, as they were bypassed when the Hall was more about acclaim and eclecticism. Foreigner, Styx and Boston at the least. Boston, as I have mentioned above, was a total game-changer in the way record companies signed and developed artists. or better or worse. And if, as some are suggesting, INXS and their ilk are going to get in, then Bryan Adams deserves a shot. Not a critics favorite (neither are Stevie Nicks or INXS) but enormously successful has a lot of humanitarian effort credibility and supports causes dear to a lot of Hall voters.

Posted by souljah on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 11:36am


Mat R,

Had to laugh at your comment for Willie! Cut the man some slack he turns 90 this month, he isn't going to have a lot of time to many more specials!

Posted by souljah on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 11:38am


My final prediction for 2023.
Performers:
Willie Nelson
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Missy Elliott
Sheryl Crow
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:
Kate Bush
Burt Bacharach

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton
DJ Kool Herc

Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Thom Bell
Arthur Baker

Wait to see the final result if there is no more information leaked.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 11:39am


Hey Raichu send me the discord link. I think I lost my account now…

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 12:00pm


Power,

Are you posting comments on here as BlueOysterCult?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 12:25pm


Richie, I am not BOC, I think his posts are unreal, as well as the posts of your beloved fake voter.

You should stop asking stupid and disrespectful questions.

You should focus on other things in your life more and not just on rock hall things.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 13:08pm


What is more, please do not be believe in any leaked information with no brain. The information you shared in the last year was almost all untrue and you seem to have blind faith in every fake information.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 13:15pm


Plebian,

Heres the link. If anyone else wants to join feel free to do so: https://discord.gg/8zuBpQSh

Posted by Raichu on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 13:21pm


Dear K-Dawg,

You predicted these artists in performer before.

Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
White Stripes
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Missy Elliott

Do you change your prediction now or will you insist on your prediction until the announcement? I would like to know your prediction for reference. Thank you very much!

Posted by drivingforce on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 17:25pm


Say hello to your 2023 class, so far from voting totals:

Kate Bush
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Joy Division/New Order
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon

Don't ask me how I got this information. BlueOysterCult is a fake.

Posted by Alys Rivers on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 21:52pm


Power rankings

Likeliest Early Influence contenders
1. Big Mama Thornton
2. MC5
3. The Carter Family
4. Patsy Cline
5. Frank Sinatra
6. DJ Kool Herc
7. Hank Snow
8. Fela Kuti
9. Ella Fitzgerald
10. The Kingsmen
11. Wendy Carlos
12. Boogie Down Productions
13. New York Dolls
14. The Last Poets
15. Robert Petway
16. Link Wray
17. Motorhead
18. Tony Bennett
19. John Coltrane
20. Serge Gainsbourg
21. Ladysmith Black Mambazo
22. Ernest Tubb
23. Chuck Willis
24. Blind Willie Johnson
25. 'Screamin' Jay Hawkins

Thoughts

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 04/24/2023 @ 22:06pm


Will everyone stop posting so called "leaks" of what the inductees will be. We should learn from last year that we shouldn't trust anyone who has "insider information" about the Rock Hall voting process unless they talk to either FRL, Troy Smith, or Joe & Kristen from the "Who Cares About the Rock Hall" podcast.

Voting has not finished yet, and based on most voting events, people tend to vote and send their ballots at the last minute.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 00:36am


Alys Rivers, it seems that your list is also fake. Missy Elliott is shoe-in. Iron Maiden is hard to be voted in main performer like Judas Priest.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 00:39am


power

I agree with you. If Judas Priest took them 3 tries and a side door induction, how will it be any different for Iron Maiden?

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 01:24am


And honestly, my only wish for the final vote is if *BOTH* A Tribe Called Quest and Missy Elliott get inducted this year.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 01:26am


Iron Maiden has more commercial success than Judas Priest and they have chance to be inducted via main route, but they may need a class with less competition, not in this year.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 04:06am


At this point I think people here are now underestimating Kate Bush's chances by assuming she's auto-ME. From the votes we do know from the public over half voted for her and leading that,but more importantly for the committee vote Kate Bush came in 2nd, she had enough interest/votes to get nominated this many times before she had breakout hit worldwide. Many know this is now and never for her.

Don't underestimate the chances she gets in.

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 04:52am


Matt R,

I think you have definitely or perhaps listened to some of the Early Influence picks of recent years and the current ones of E influence predicted. I sat down to listen to a bunch of Gil Scot Heron about a year ago. There was that Old blues guy last year. Just 2 TODAY I listened to Big Mama Thornton. Did you pick Big Mama? She is GOOD. I am surprised she has never been inducted. I THINK later Rock legends like Janis Joplin, Eric Clapton, Jimmie Page, Jimi Hendrix, the Allman Brothers B and Bonnie Raitt have listened to her through the many decades. I did copy and paste. It's easier. You have awesome list. This answers MY question. I think. Have you listened to Hank Snow? Is he country, He may be a coool country act. Respond respond

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 06:52am


Ben to answer your question yes Hank Snow is a country singer. He started in the 50's I believe.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 07:12am


Yeah, Hank Snow was a country artist from the 50's whose best known songs would be "I've Been Everywhere" (which Johnny Cash famously covered) and "I'm Movin' On". He also is credited with helping discover Elvis Presley. So he's got some tangential connection to rock & roll.

Posted by Michael W. on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 09:06am


Iron Maiden getting inducted would be the biggest shock. What's this? The voting body actually voting in a heavy metal band? The first since Metallica in 2009? (Judas Priest was a side induction so that doesn't count).

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 09:20am


Guest

What are you talking about? Guns N Roses, Alice Cooper, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, even Kiss all fit in pretty nicely under the heavy metal umbrella. Metal can get in but they need to be of a certain profile which most metal including Judas Priest don't fit into. Iron Maiden is kind of somewhere in between a Priest and a Def Leppard profile wise.

Also I don't think Bush is being underestimated. Most seem to agree she's got a 50/50 chance (cause everyone is 50/50 this year) of either avenue and I'm guessing most are putting her at AME because of everyone on the ballot she's the best fit and people want to see 8 inducted. I'd also not that she has kind of underperformed in the fanvote (which outside of 2020 usually is a good indictor), despite having had a massive hit very recently (like Zevon is killing her and she's struggled with JD/NO and Sherly Crow - I think she's finally cleared them but it took forever).

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 10:06am


Also regarding Hank Snow

There are two people who stand to gain from the movie Elvis because both got a lot of nice write ups in the aftermath of the film.

I'd lean towards Big Mama Thornton being the most likely to get in as a result but Hank Snow is also very possible.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 10:14am


Aside from the contentious inductee predictions for just a moment.

RIP to the legendary King of Calypso, Harry Belafonte. Rock and roll and contemporary music has been around long enough that almost all the pioneers are gone. Glad he got inducted last year for Early Influence, but a joke it didn't happen decades earlier.

DAY-O!!

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 10:35am


Mat R

Those bands you listed are NOT true heavy metal bands. Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, AC/DC, Guns N' Roses, Kiss, Van Halen, etc. are HARD ROCK bands. Not heavy metal, HARD ROCK.

Hard rock bands are often known for their aggressive, high-energy sound. Metal, on the other hand, is a heavier and more extreme form of rock music.

There are only three true heavy metal bands in the Rock Hall. Black Sabbath, Metallica, and Judas Priest (via Musical Excellence)

Using mental gymnastics to say those bands are "heavy metal" as a way to say the Rock Hall voters aren't biased against true heavy metal bands is both ridiculous and ignorant.

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 10:53am


guest,

you forgot deep purple dude

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 11:14am


I DON'T THINK, I WILL EVER FIGURE OUT, HOW AN ARTIST WITH ONE THIRD OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENT'S, IN A MUCH SHORTER CAREER SPAN, CAN GET NOMINATED, ABOVE THE ONES FROM THE 70s & 80s ?????

Posted by DAVID SUMMERLIN on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 11:17am


Guest

Heavy metal is an umbrella term. Burzum is under it, Ghost is under it, Gorguts is under it, and Trans-Siberian Orchestra is under it. Those are four very different bands and all of them are broadly classified as heavy metal.

Are you actually trying to claim Glam Metal (eg Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, and GnR) wasn't metal? I guess Motley Crue isn't metal then in your mind. Are you actually going to try and claim Alice Cooper and Kiss aren't metal cause you might as well toss Black Sabbath out if that's the case.

There are no mental gymnastics here just recognition that heavy metal is a very diverse genre not defined by who sounds like Metallica.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 11:25am


Mat R,

Good list of Early Influences. I kind of think Motorhead is more ME, and Patsy Cline should have gone in just after Wanda Jackson.

Add: Gram Parsons, Wynonie Harris, Don & Dewey, Mickey Baker and even Esquerita. And if the Dolls and MC5 are Early Influence, so are John Mayall, Alexis Korner, Graham Bond and Cyril Davies. And I am surprised Cliff Richard has not been recognized.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 12:13pm


souljah

My thinking with Motorhead is pretty simple and kind of dark: Lemmy and most of the members are dead. There's no live performance outside of a tribute and given how the Hall has handled wht AME recently it seems they want some degree of star power present from the big name act that gets the honour and Motorhead sadly cannot (Phil and Mikkey are not icons in the way Lemmy was) do that much like MC5 or New York Dolls (although I do think David Johansen might have a shot at AME as a solo artist).

I do however think they'll induct a dead individual as AME as we saw Randy Rhodes and Billy Preston and that's where I'm thinking Gram Parsons ends up. John Mayall too probably but he is still alive.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 13:12pm


Jann Wenner tells @WTFpod that Foreigner, REO Speedwagon, Boston, and Styx have never even been brought up for consideration at Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee meetings.


Rock Hall voter Lyndsey Parker , referencing The Monkees exclusion :" I ' ve been told by insiders at the Hall [ of Fame ] that the door is closed on bands from the 60s. If you were a band from the 60s and you ' re not it in yet , you ' re not going to get in ."

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 13:22pm


Just a reminder there's more then one Guest poster, there's me and at least one other guy because I didn't make posts about heavy metal at all.

Just something to note.

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 14:04pm


Now the one-time oldest Hall of Fame member is dead. Who holds the title now?

Since the ceremony, Christine McVee, Tommy Facenda, Jim Stewart, Dino Danelli, Fred White, Jeff Beck, David Crosby, Charlie Thomas, Gary Rossington, Clarance "Fuzzy" Haskins, Seymour Stein, and Harry Belafonte have died.

Living Members of each class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 6/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 12/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 19/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1998: 18/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2003: 16/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, and Bill Medley)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 11/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, and Larry Mullen)
2006: 18/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 27/70 (Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 18/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)
2022: 24/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, Harry Belafonte, and Elizabeth Cotten)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 14:07pm


Willie Nelson could be considered 60s. Dionne Warwick was nominated last year. Diana Ross. The spinners could also be 60s.

What one person says is one thing. There is plenty if chances for proof to the contrary

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 14:50pm


Follower,

Assuming Willie is in, will he claim the oldest living title?

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 15:35pm


I just checked, and 92-year-old Clarance Avant is now the oldest inductee. Is Wilie Nelson in his 90's yet?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 15:59pm


He was born in 1933, Follower. He'll be 90 this year if he isn't already

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 16:07pm


Last year, didn't Troy Smith say there is at least one or two living inductees in their 100s. Like some obscure members of some of the backing bands or something

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 16:39pm


Mat R,

OK, I see your reasoning on Motorhead. You are right, the Hall plays pretty loose with the side door categories, so I can see it.

power,

Re 60's bands, kind of too bad if true. Monkees are as qualified as the Ronettes or Coasters, and I cannot see any difference whatsoever in terms of qualifications between Paul Revere & Raiders or Tommy James & Shondells when compared to Dave Clark Five.

As far as anything Jann Wenner says, I don't consider him to be an honorable source of information.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 17:47pm


Mat r,

Regarding the "fan vote", sometimes they can be a good indicator and sometimes they cannot with botting that is pretty infamous to go with it. This year is especially troublesome because there's very obvious botting, notably with Michael/Lauper fanboys trying to outdo each other as the top slot and Zevon going from very little votes to 300k votes overnight. Also in almost all cases rap is last place
Even with that, Bush is holding up in the region I've seen nominations taken in as inductees before.

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 17:56pm


I checked again. Now I'm sure Berry Gordy Jr. (93) is the oldest living inductee.

But either way, daylight has come, and Harry Belafonte has gone home.

(Also, real bummer about The 60's)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 17:59pm


Guest

I don't disagee with most of what you said but even with that she's underperforming especially given her popularity in both the UK, the massive hit she just had, and large online cult fanbase.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 18:11pm


Michael W,,
Very interesting about Hank Snow. Alright Hank Snow was a country artist from the 50's whose best known songs would be "I've Been Everywhere" and I do know it by Johnny Cash. I know Johnny Cash Welll BUT not Hank Snow. In case excellent pick by Matt R. I'll check him maybe tomorrow. Veryy busy Now

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 18:23pm


Mat R.,

Don't think placing 7th in the fan vote is underperforming, especially since at least 3 of the vote counts in the top 5 are questionable at best and who knows about the others. She's right behind Willie Nelson which says a lot. From what I see things are showing more that the newest generation simply thinks the idea of the rock hall is a joke, and those that don't note the public rock hall votes is less then 1/1000th of the total votes and means almost nothing for a candidates chances and won't bother. Most online votes got burned enough times to realize this.

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 18:53pm


Guest

7/14 is middle of the pack in a year where she was expected to be a heavyweight. She hasn't really exited where she was last year despite the profile boost.

Also yea the newer generation doesn't care. They also don't vote for the Rock Hall. Boomers do, they're who is voting on the fan poll, and the overwhelming majority of the actual ballots are in the hands of people born between 1945 and 1970

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 19:05pm


Mat R,

I think millennials and Gen Zers are the ones that are giving Kate the boost in the fan vote. Kate is quite popular with the younger crowd, especially on TikTok. This goes back to me saying that the rock hall love ratings for their ceremony and that they want to appeal to younger audiences. Kate is the cool boomer amongst the younger generation in the current age of social media.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 19:11pm


Elle dee

But what boost? Cause again she hasn't really moved up from last year. She's middle of the pack again.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 19:34pm


Matt R,.
Maybe. Guns N Roses, Alice Cooper, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, even Kiss all fit in pretty nicely under the heavy metal umbrella. Metal can get in but they need to be of a certain profile which most metal including Judas Priest don't fit into. Iron Maiden is kind of somewhere in between a Priest and a Metallica profile. I was in my early 20s. 1986-1989.
I am Not a Metal Head actually. But I did buy some Heavy metal albums back in the late 80s. In that actual time Iron Maiden was not regarded even close to Def Leppard. I have a couple Middle age Old Heavy metal friends since 1983. That actual time. He disliked Def Leppard then and he told me in a chat He still does. I think Def Lep are great. And soo since I was there I will say this. Iron Maiden were more extreme. and sooo I disagree BUT I am NOT a Metal head. I'll stand by the Musical Excellence.

But as far as the Early Influence list it is AWESOME. Fela Kuti and Ella Fitzgerald are veyy good choices. And all of them actually. You know music with these picks. John Mayall and Herbie Hancock can be added to list perhaps. Excellent list.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 19:39pm


Mat R,

She's doing much better this time than the three previous tries because previously she would either be very close to the bottom of the fan vote or barely at the top 10. Her at number 7 is not really big, but it is nonetheless much better than her past performance in the fan vote.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 19:49pm


Elle dee

But it isn't really. She's been in the dead centre of the pack the last two years.

This should have been her year to break out in the fanvote but it's looking like a continuation of last year largely cause she doesn't appeal to boomers as many had expected.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 20:47pm


The "true" voter said Pat Benatar had no chance in last year, it is ridiculous. It already proves he is fake and knows no real information.

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/rnr-hall-of-fame-nominees-2022.1131174/page-11#post-28838313

shhhh..... The Monkees are on the shortlist for induction for Musical Excellence and Influence. Also Kate Bush and Pat B , do not have a chance in hell, they both made the ballot , at the very last minute and it easily could have easily have been The Bangles , Mariah , Mary J , MC Lyte , ONJ , Diana Ross .

Posted by driving force on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 20:59pm


Again, We'll just going to have to wait and see what happens when the 2023 inductees are announced, That's all we can do.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 21:40pm


Who are you and what have you done with Richie?

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 21:48pm


Hey Raichu send me the discord link. I think I lost my account now…

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 04/25/2023 @ 23:37pm


I don't think people aren't underestimating Kate, but they are underestimating how beloved she is.
Her contemporaries, from John Lydon to Pat Benatar, have all stated their adoration for her. She still has many friends in the industry despite her reclusiveness. Not only that, but I suspect many of the British inductees are behind her 100%, ESPECIALLY after last year. Simon Le Bon stated recently she has to be the next Brit in the Hall.
Not only that, but the industry loves "comeback" stories, and she is now the oldest female with a top three hit. If she were to perform or attend the ceremony, it would gain so much attention since she hasn't been to the United States in decades.
That being said, if she isn't in after last year's events, she will never be in.

Posted by bacon on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 00:35am


We will see. The most interesting part of the "voter" is he believes the Spinners have a good chance and have top-5 chance. We will see if the Spinners are inducted.

I remember in the last year richie said Lionel Richie could not be inducted as solo artist, and said the same opinion endlessly.

I found that if you say the weak points and bug of the "voter" richie believes, richie will just say like "we will wait and see". At other time, richie will say "he is 100% real, accurate" endlessly.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 01:58am


We will see if the Spinners are inducted as main performer.

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 02:11am


Elle Dee.

This should have been her year to break out in the fan vote but it's looking very similar to last year largely cause she doesn't appeal to boomers as many had expected. I am one of the closest to a Boomer or may even be one with some gray hair. LOL.
I heard the big album of Kate Bush Hounds of Love back around the Late 80s. I was moving away from my Hard Rock thing. It has some interesting songs like the hit.
I am kind of a boomer myself and Did Not vote for Kate Bush on the Fan Vote. Boomer inductees like Rod Stewart, James Taylor and Stevie Nicks did Not likely vote for Kate Bush. Rod is in fact British but in the Adult rock mainstream. She is headed I am sure for Musical Excellence. Thats perfect for her.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 02:32am


Per drivingforce's request, here is my final predictions for the inductees for 2023:

This has been a harder year for me to predict and I've waffled more than I have in years past. Maybe I'm overthinking, but Joy Division/New Order and Cyndi Lauper have seemed slam dunks to me from the start. I'm going to predict 7, and I hate to say it, but I haven't been as steadfast on it as in the past:

Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
White Stripes
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
I hate to say it, but I'm gonna predict Missy Elliott
if 8, Kate Bush

Spinners Early Influence
Iron Maiden Musical Excellence

Also, if Kate Bush isn't nommed proper, she will get in ME

I hate being this vanilla, but despite my objections of Missy being elected so early, it seemed logical to me that the Hall is gonna take up another 90s to contemporary act, and Sheryl Crow just doesn't have the staying power that Missy does. And Kate Bush is going in one way or another this year. Too much of a golden ticket to not capitalize on the Stranger Things success.

Lastly, notice fully half of my choices for induction have either roots or influence by the LGBTQ community. The Hall is all in on this as well.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 03:40am


K-Dawg, thank you very much!

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 04:25am


Just curious as to what the fan vote "records" are for both bands and solo artists.

Posted by Liam on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 05:36am


At this moment I want to mention some other 1990s acts that should be nominated.
As the 1990s went on I abandoned rock for the Modern folk and Jazz. Some that should be on ballot are Dave Matthews Band, Marc Cohn, Shawn Colvin, Sarah McLachlan, Loreena McKennitt, Steve Earle. Those are some I listened to heavily in the 90s.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 05:50am


My final final predictions:

Performers:

Willie Nelson
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Missy Elliott
Sheryl Crow
Warren Zevon
The White Stripes (if there's 7)

Side Categories:

Musical Excellence: Kate Bush, Chaka Khan, Carol Kaye

Early Influence: DJ Kool Herc, Big Mama Thornton, New York Dolls

Non-Performers: Thom Bell, Burt Bacharach

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 08:08am


From what I can tell, these are the 50 oldest inductees

93
1. Berry Gordy

92
2. Clarence Avant

91
3. Lawson Smith [The Midnighters]
4. Jac Holzman
5. Clive Davis

90
6. Mike Stoller
7. Quincy Jones

89
8. Tommy Hunt [The Flamingos]
9. Lou Adler
10. Bobby Jones [The Blue Caps]

88
11. Frankie Valli [Four Seasons]
12. Herb Alpert

87
13. Jerry Moss
14. Sam Moore [Sam & Dave]
15. Duke Fakir [Four Tops]

86
16. Verne Allison [The Dells]
17. Buddy Guy
18. Bill Wyman [The Rolling Stones]
19. Jerome Arnold [Paul Butterfield Blues Band]
20. Mickey McGill [The Dells]
21. Charlie Thomas [The Drifters]

85
22. Sonny Curtis [The Crickets]
23. Chris Blackwell
24. Garth Hudson [The Band]
25. Wanda Jackson
26. Jeff Barry
27. Duane Eddy

85
28. Billy Davis [The Midnighters]

84
29. Terry Johnson [The Flamingos]
30. Barry Mann
31. Rudolph Isley [Isley Brothers]

83
32. Mavis Staples [Staple Singers]
33. Dion
34. James Burton
35. Grace Slick [Jefferson Airplane]
36. Eddie Holland
37. Tina Turner [Ike & Tina/Solo]
38. Jerry Butler [Impressions]
39. Sammy Strain [Imperials, O'Jays]
40. Dave Clark [Dave Clark Five]
41. Jimmy Merchant [Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers]
42. Smokey Robinson
43. Phil Lesh [Grateful Dead]

82
44. Richard Brooks
45. Ringo Starr [Beatles/Solo]
46. Dickie Harrell [Blue Caps]
47. Bill Medley [Righteous Brothers]
48. Fred Cash [Impressions]
49. Cynthia Weil
50. Jorma Kaukonen [Jefferson Airplane]

And the ten youngest

51
Chris Shiflett [Foo Fighters]
Jonny Greenwood [Radiohead]
Robin Finck [Nine Inch Nails]
Billie Joe Armstrong [Green Day]

50
Mike Dirnt [Green Day]
Eminem
Tre Cool [Green Day]

47
Alessandro Cortini [NIN]

44
Josh Klinghoffer [Red Hot Chili Peppers

34
Ilan Rubin [NIN]

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 08:40am


Ben
In terms of Kate Bush there would be a different perspective from the UK. She is probably considered at being at the very pinnacle of the Rock tree. Those boomers you mentioned are largely a generation older than her. I'm surprised if Rod has not voted for her as apparently they had a long and friendly chat at the recent Jeff Beck Memorial. She is very well regarded in those circles and is a virtual lock for votes from all the previous UK. Ireland and indeed European inductees. in the UK she has strong crossover following from the Metal and Prog communities and always being praised by the relevant 90s and 90s artists. For example Radiohead have described their nervousness when finding out she was attending a concert. You only need to watch a clip from the 2001 Q awards to she how she is regarded in the British music industry.

Posted by Rich on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 09:53am


My predictions with reasons:

Soundgarden (Always go for a previous top 5 vote getter and I think we will at least get more than one band)
Kate Bush (She's leading really well and don't see her getting back doored)
Willie Nelson (Duh)
George Michael (Diamond act always gets in no matter what)
JD/NO (Also doing well and seeing them get all the votes along with Bush)
Warren Zevon (The closest to a boomer classic rock act on the ballot)
The White Stripes (Poor showing on the ballot tracker but I believe they will still make it no matter what)

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 11:58am


My predictions with reasons:

Soundgarden (Always go for a previous top 5 vote getter and I think we will at least get more than one band)
Kate Bush (She's leading really well and don't see her getting back doored)
Willie Nelson (Duh)
George Michael (Diamond act always gets in no matter what)
JD/NO (Also doing well and seeing them get all the votes along with Bush)
Warren Zevon (The closest to a boomer classic rock act on the ballot)
The White Stripes (Poor showing on the ballot tracker but I believe they will still make it no matter what)

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 12:08pm


I'm just hoping we get a very surprising inductee class this year. The last two classes were VERY predictable.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 13:01pm


Just contemplating, I wonder how many different artists have been suggested for induction on just this thread. I would guess well over 300, which would roughly double the current Hall.

Posted by souljah on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 13:09pm


Very good point by bacon. it's likely the uk and European inductees are all voting for Kate. Elton John shared a story that when he invited Kate to his wedding, everyone there wanted to meet her because she's highly regarded there.
Also, Stevie Nicks has said before she loved Kate's music back then, especially Hounds of Love.

Posted by Pink on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 14:10pm


I'd hold up on all of the UK and Europe voting for Kate. It assumes Kraftwerk know what the rock hall is, that they know they were inducted, that they know they can vote, that they care to vote. Same goes for 3/5 of radiohead. Also decent chance they forgot to send the cure ballots again.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 16:56pm


Elle Dee,

Our performer predictions run close. Just do NOT agree with White Stripes. It will take take one more try. Too many take priority. Maybe Next year for White Stripes. With early I SOO many pick Big Mama Thornton. I can see New York Dolls in EARLY Influence. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 16:58pm


With only two more days til voting ends, I think it's a good time for me to post my final predictions.

Final Prediction:

Kate Bush/Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
A Tribe Called Quest (if 7)
Warren Zevon

My reasoning for predicting ATCQ and flip flopping over Kate Bush and Sheryl Crow is that there is no way the Hall will have an induction class that are all first time nominees in the Performer category since they always have at inducted least 1 or 2 previously nominated acts a year. So I think they'll go for one or two of them.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 18:11pm


As close to final predictions as I'll get:

Very sure:

1. Willie Nelson
2. Cyndi Lauper
3. George Michael

And the ones I'm unsure about:
4. Missy Elliott
5. Soundgarden
6. Kate Bush or JD/NO

NOTE: The only way they'll do 7 is if Kate Bush or Missy Elliot are 7th, they want both of them in. If JD/NO is 6th and Kate Bush is 7th both will be brought in. if Kate Bush is 6th and JD/NO 7th they'll wait a year for JD/NO to get inducted. Can see ATCQ and Zevon sneaking in a slot also, the cutoff will be tight

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 18:45pm


Guys are we seriously jumping on the ballot tracker again?

It was a royal dud last year had Eminem and Lionel out while tribe, Dionne, and Kate were stars and mc5 and Fela seemed like contenders. It is an incredibly bad sample of the vote cause it's mostly a/r folks, journalists and critics and lacks musicians (the biggest body of voters), promoters, radio programmers, and execs

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 19:10pm


Mat R,

I based my predictions on four factors:

1. The rock hall are obsessed with ratings and want to induct acts that will have young viewers tuned in.

2. The fan vote

3. Commentary from rock hall voters on their reasons why they're voting for their five picks

4. Commentary on rock hall monitors examining the chances of all 14 acts and critiquing how other voters are going to sway and/or split votes.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 19:37pm


Looking at last year now

Here is everyone will 10+ votes

A Tribe Called Quest 23
Pat Benatar 20
Dionne Warwick 20
Judas Priest 16
Fela Kuti 17
Duran Duran 15
Kate Bush 13
Devo 13
Eurythmics 12
Eminem 12
MC5 11
New York Dolls 11

Notice dolly, Lionel, and Carly all missed 10 (the most any of them had was 8 and Lionel had 2)? Notice how Eminem and the Eurythmics are well behind Fela, priest, and especially Dionne?

Safe to say the ballot tracker while interesting is not a good barometer of how the vote is actually going and possibly less reliable than the fan vote.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 19:40pm


Maybe Kate Bush can really benefit from the British vote this year in the way the British vote helped Roxy Music and T. Rex in previous years (even though RM and T. Rex were inducted on their first noms and Kate is on her fourth). I just hope that if she comes in 7th place, the Rock Hall better not make the cut-off at 6th place. I say this even if there's a major gap between 6th and 7th place.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 21:11pm


xwing1212

Even if Kate doesn't get in through the performers category, she still has a bigger, better chance in the side categories under musical excellence. Going back and forth with my predictions these past few days, I think it's safe to say that Kate is going to get inducted into musical excellence.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 04/26/2023 @ 21:54pm


You know what would be very funny? If the rock hall inducted Kate Bush as an Early Influence for some reason

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 00:01am


Mat R,

Well, maybe 5 - 10 years down the road she would be inducted as an early influence if she's not inducted this year as a performer or via musical excellence. One of the biggest nonsensical arguments against Kate by hall voters is that she's only influential to British artists and not Non-British, which is a bunch of crock. Her music laid the groundwork for the art pop genre. Many of today's artists that are making weird, arty, left of center pop music like Billie Eilish, Lorde, Lana Del Rey, St. Vincent, Caroline Polachek, etc. are doing the type of music that can be traced back to Kate Bush.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 00:10am


Yes she is too young for that. She is only 17 days older than Madonna (though she was working on her 5th Album at the time of Madonna's breakthrough). There would be grounds on use of technology and negotiation of record contracts!
Going against her is the almost zero chance she would attend the ceremony (she hasn't been photographed for 8 years) although she would probably acknowledge it and there seems a chance there may be some new music to promote by then.

Posted by Rich on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 01:18am


Elle Dee,

Exactly and Kate Bush will probably NOT get in through the performers category, BUT she has a bigger, better chance in the side categories under musical excellence. I've been steady with my predictions and I think it's safe to say that Kate is going to get inducted into musical excellence. She has immense influence. When I was young Pat Benatar released Crimes of Passion. It contains Wuthering Heights done by Pat. This made me curious about Kate Bush. And I have Never been to Britain.

I have predicted whole heartedly that Kate Bush is Musical Excellence. She is a slam dunk for Musical Excellence. I love some Sarah McLachlan. Sarah M could be eventually in Musical Excellence as well as Shawn Colvin. I'm hung up on these other 2 Female artists. Shawn is an acoustic artist listened to a lot in the early 90s. It was prior to Sunny Came Home. You should check out Shawn Colvin. I just wanted to cover other female artists.

Also Elle I dig your predictions. Even the ones I didnt pick. In other words I could be wrong about White Stripes. I just don't feel strong about FY Eligible. This happened to Radiohead. They were inducted second year. Just one question shouldn't Carol Kaye. She is too old for Musical Excellence. And who on earth is DJ Kool Herc. Sorry for the sudden tone. I have never heard of him. This DJ person seems like a Hip hop. Can you elaborate? I know tremendous info on Cyndi Lauper, Sheryl Crow and Warren Zevon. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 02:36am


Ben,

Clive Campbell (born April 16, 1955), better known by his stage name DJ Kool Herc, is a Jamaican American DJ who is credited with contributing to the development of hip hop music in the Bronx, New York City, in the 1970s through a "Back to School Jam", hosted by Clive and his younger sister Cindy on August 11, 1973, at 1520 Sedgwick Avenue. His younger sister, Cindy Campbell, became inspired to earn extra cash for back-to-school clothes, she decided to have her older brother, then 18 years old, play music for the neighborhood in their apartment building, she promoted and organized the event and also developed fashion for her brother to wear. Campbell began playing hard funk records of the sort typified by James Brown.

Campbell began to isolate the instrumental portion of the record which emphasized the drum beat—the "break"—and switch from one break to another. Using the same two-turntable set-up of disco DJs, he used two copies of the same record to elongate the break. This breakbeat DJing, using funky drum solos, formed the basis of hip hop music. Campbell's announcements and exhortations to dancers helped lead to the syncopated, rhythmically spoken accompaniment now known as rapping.

He is one of the first pioneers in hip-hop music. Many people in FRL mention him because a nomination committee member Alan Light says he will push for the case of DJ Kool Herc in early influence.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 03:10am


xwing1212 ,

If she makes top half of the standings she's in, the hall wants her in this year specifically. She's very popular with younger audiences they want to reach and made record execs very happy by making them some good money and spawning the increased viability of back catalogs. It's good for the hall to see her get in this year specifically.

That's why I think she can make it through the main route this year - All the british voters who had enough votes to get her 3 nominations before last year + any younger voter who got into Stranger Things or aware how she had the song of summer 2023 + higher ups happy with what she done = easily enough votes to get at least 7th. And they want her in so bad they'll let her through if she's at least 7th. She just needs to make the top half of this year. Only Missy Elliott also has this privilege.

Posted by Guest on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 05:16am


The trouble for the execs is that Kate is making all the money from new sales/streaming. She has virtually 100% ( 100% in US) ownership of her music ( and largely has since 1980 - she didn't take advances in return and from this time paid all recording/ video production costs herself). From this March she has removed distribution rights from Warners with rights given to a relatively small UK independent 51st State Conspiracy. The company are working for her rather than the other way round. It is estimated she receives well over 90% of royalties and streaming payments whereas many artists receive less than 20%

Posted by Rich on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 05:51am


since the event is nigh, comin back to place my predictions of theis years inductees

Zevon- hes my number 1, strong showing on fan vote, beloved by musiancs and critics the largest voting body should make him a slam dunk.

Kate-im still incredibly strong on the beilf that shes a shoe in as a performer, and good points have been made recently about how underestimated she is.

Willie, since hes turning 90 i mean yea, but also hes just got that iconicity id be shocked if he didnt

tribe- definity my least likely pick but i just got a good feeling for them rn

cyndi/george- maybe hot take but i see them doing 1 or the other not both, if i had to hedge my bets, cyndi

JDNO, just like kate, there shoulf be enought goodwill from rockers and critcis to carry them in, a slam dunk

now, if 7 and 8, im going soundgarden and spinners as my 2 wild card picks.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 06:26am


I love how people are reacting to my joke as if it was somewhat serious.

I will say however she's not to young for an early influence induction, it just makes zero sense.

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 06:45am


Btw I want to address a theory

This idea the hall wants younger viewers badly. I don't think it wants them as bad as many here seem to think lately. I'm thinking this because of 2 names that didn't get nominations this year: destiny's child and Britney Spears. Both are hall of fame worthy acts with followings among younger generations that are far bigger than anyone on the ballot. Neither is here which suggests the hall is not going to go out of its way to gain millenials or gen z.

However rage getting nod #5 and white stripes being here suggests they really want gen x and older millenials to like them more

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 06:58am


As much as I love Kate Bush and Joy Division/New Order, I just don't see either of them getting inducted with the current voting committee, I think that their lack of major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America will really hurt their chances of getting in, I honestly think that and this may sound controversial, but I honestly think that even though they both absolutely deserve induction by far as they're two of the biggest snubs from the Rock Hall by far, that their spots on the ballot this year really should have gone to Celine Dion and INXS because both Celine and INXS are both much bigger names in the States with much more major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America than Kate and JD/NO, plus it's been 20 years since an Australian act got nominated and inducted (AC/DC in 2003) and 10 years since a Canadian act got nominated and inducted (Rush in 2013) so I think that Celine and INXS really should have been nominated this year instead of Kate and JD/NO because they both have had major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America and are much bigger names in the States than Kate and JD/NO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 09:00am


Just stop, Richie.

Celine dion is on no one's list ever.

I've almost never wanted an inductee in as bad as jd/no in a perspective to prove someone wrong here. And that's not fair to them, because they are FYI deserving for sure

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 10:06am


Richie should go to popular music forum to make cheer for the chart success of Taylor Swift, Billie Ellish, etc. His music taste is very poor.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 10:58am


Based on Richie's theory, the hall should just use the total sales of albums in billboard chart to make nomination and induction and artists like the velvet underground should be never nominated. Celion Dion should be inducted in first year of eligibility.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 11:02am


I can almost guarantee that Celion Dion will not be nominated before 2030.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 11:14am


What does richie do every day is just licking the asshole of the "true" voter and makes harm to some artists he does not like. Lionel Richie in last year and Kate Bush and JD/NO in this year. His prediction of Celion Dion's nomination is the most absurd opinion I have ever seen on this forum.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 11:19am


power,

Brown.

This guy Campbell began to isolate the instrumental portion of the record which emphasized the drum beat—the "break"—and switch from one break to another. Using the same two-turntable set-up of disco DJs. It's basically a break beat Djing.

It's kind of how many years ago Willie Dixon was Early Influence due to his Influence on Rock musicians of the 1960s and 70s. It's like that but with Hip Hop music . I get it

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 11:44am


When are the inductees going to be announced?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 14:55pm


Follower

Sometime next week

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 15:11pm


Although I do not see JD/NO and Kate Bush will be inducted in this year. I would like to say the contribution of Celion Dion to the popular music is much worse than JD/NO and Kate Bush, and worse than Cyndi Lauper, Madonna, Mariah Carey, Whiteney Houston and Janet Jackson. JD/NO should be the next new wave act to be inducted. The members of nomination committee seem to think so and nominate them first plus there are some actual voters feel good about their chance. They like the VU in the 80s and influence a ton of artists in alternative/indie/electronic scene. The total sales of albums of New Order in America is almost equal to Warren Zevon and higher than past inductee Todd Rundgren. They are not total commercial failure in America. Blue Monday is also a famous song.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 15:33pm


The hall should induct the most popular artists in America every year to satisfy richie.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 15:40pm


No matter how ample your points are, dear richie just refuses to listen and repeats the same opinions. To be honest, every time I see his quotation, I feel offended and disrespectful, and I feel very angry. If you point out the obvious problem with his quotation, he will remain unmoved and insist on believing so obvious pseudo things. I feel like he doesn't have a brain and can't think. It's really difficult to communicate with him.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 15:53pm


Power

Are you and Ritchie the same person? You and Ritchie commenting on JD/NO and Kate Bush not getting in this year because they're not commercially successful in America are nearly identical.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 16:09pm


Power,

Very excellence observation on JD/NO, I think both nominating & voting committees would get them a walk on before they even go forward with others like The B - 52's & INXS.

Driving Force,

By your definition, let's welcome Backstreet Boys & Garth Brooks instead of Pixies, Sonic Youth, Bad Brains etc.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 16:10pm


And where's BlueOysterCult at? The person claimed to have leak info on who's potentially getting inducted and all of a sudden the person disappeared.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 16:11pm


Elle Dee,
I am not richie. You can see I am very supportive of JD/NO and Kate Bush as richie thinks they should not be nominated. I just think their chances are not good but I would like to induct them as soon as possible if I can decide the members to be inducted.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 16:13pm


Power

I disagree. While I do agree that JD/NO will have better luck next year, Kate is getting in this year. Maybe or maybe not in the performance category, but has a solid good chance getting in via musical excellence.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 16:20pm


Elle Dee,

it is my fault. I did not say clearly. I want to express they may be hard to be inducted in main category. Yes, I think Kate Bush will be inducted in ME in this year. The hall knows if she is not inducted in this year she may be harder to be inducted in the future, which is different with the cases of Devo, New York Dolls and MC5.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 16:29pm


Follower,

I think the final result will be given in one week.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 16:39pm


I just hope this year isn't going to be as populist just like last year because it just goes against what the Hall actually stands for: Honor those who left an significant influence, constant innovation & cultural impact on the landscape of rock & roll, not basically sales & hits. With said, my final predictions would be like this:

The Class of 2023:

George Michael - This year's fan vote winner

Willie Nelson - The only lock/guarantee for induction.

Joy Division/New Order - The 'New Wave" trend is looking sharp with the voters so I expect them to give JD/NO a walk on for this year.

Sheryl Crow - Having a few appearances at previous ceremonies sometimes help translate into induction but not always an guarantee, will help Crow's chances BTW.

Missy Elliott - The Hall needs to induct a female rap act so Elliott would make history as the first one to do so if that happens.

Soundgarden - If the Hall inducts one more band then Soundgarden would make the final cut.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 16:41pm


I think the next 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that should and will be inducted are The B-52's and INXS, because they both achieved major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, As much as I love Joy Division/New Order, I see them being more in line with Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements (80's New Wave/Alternative acts that just didn't have the major mainstream commercial success and name recognition in America to get in with the current voting body/committee) and struggling to get voted in because of that.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 16:53pm


No matter what you say, this idiot will repeat his own viewpoint, which is disgusting.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 17:04pm


No matter what you say, this idiot will repeat his own viewpoint, which is disgusting.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 17:05pm


He just says the same thing again and again. I don't want to see him again on this forum. So annoying.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 17:10pm


I hope he can find something to do in his real life and not torture users like "commercial failures" in the forum. Please, please.Thank you very much. Seeing his quotes and opinions, I feel that my intelligence has been insulted.

Posted by driving force on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 17:17pm


How about look up their separate chart history before you make such silly statements.

https://www.billboard.com/artist/joy-division/

https://www.billboard.com/artist/new-order/

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 17:25pm


I mean literally doesn't that spineless wretch even look up & read the history before he even opens his mouth. Like WTF.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 17:31pm


Based on the data from bestsellingalbums.org (https://bestsellingalbums.org/search-database/).

New Order sold in 1,500,000 in the United States.
Todd Rungren sold 500,000 in the United States.
Warren Zevon sold 1,500,000 in the United States.
Roxy Music sold 1,000,000 in the United States.
T. Rex solf 500,000 in the United States.

If Rundgren, Roxy Music and T.Rex can in as main performers, why JD/NO can not?

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 17:31pm


Power,

Noŵ these links are even more accurate.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 17:38pm


Power

One of my faves Laura Nero got inducted back in 2012. She was never a best seller when it came to albums sales and was never a household name. She was just loved and adored by critics and a cult favorite among those who admired her and were influenced by her.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 18:00pm


Power

I meant Laura Nyro. Seriously, FRL needs an edit button.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 18:01pm


Richie bringing up Celine Dion as a possible future nominee is perhaps the funniest thing I've read in a while. Celine Dion? Really? If you used Cher maybe I could see where you're coming from but Celine Dion? Please. Is anybody pushing for that? Celine doesn't need that honor and it honestly would be a wasted induction.

Posted by Xwing1212 on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 18:46pm


richie advocated Celine Dion all through the speculation cycle of the 2023 forums. She's not the least deserving ever, but she's not going anywhere near the Hall while Mariah Carey is still waiting at the very least.

He's kind of our resident list guy. I do love the fact that richie has time and again compiled the lists of nominees/inductees we all predict to make it a much easier reference guide, and I don't wish to see him off the FRL forums. I just get tired of seeing his same blurb all the time. I know you're autistic, richie, but you can mix stuff up once in awhile...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 19:40pm


My final Inductee predictions:

-Willie Nelson
-Cyndi Lauper
-George Michael
-Warren Zevon
-Soundgarden
-Kate Bush
-Joy Division/New Order (should there be a 7th)

I don't have any picks for the Musical Excellence, Ahmet Ertugun or Early Influence categories, as I believe it's too big of a field to do such thing.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 20:42pm


Kidz Bop has sold over 20 million album holy shit get them in the hall right heckin now

Posted by Guest on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 20:48pm


Watching Treehouse of Horror VI. Paul Anka is objectively the biggest snub in history.

Also Glee

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 20:50pm


driving force,

youre being a bit too harsh on ritchie, hes definitly repititive but have some patience with the guy, he does have autism and this stuff is his main passion. i really dont mind his chatter that much

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 04/27/2023 @ 21:29pm


I will wait for the end of the voting process. Then more information will be leaked.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 03:14am


Elle Dee

I have NOT heard much from Laura Nyro. I know her name veryyy well. Also I like songs she wrote from people like 5th Dimension and Three Dog Night. BUT a fav of mine somewhat is Leonard Cohen. He was inducted in 2008. He also has nice amount of songs written by others. You seem like a person that likes Leonard Cohen. He also was loved and adored by critics and is a cult favorite among those who admired him and were influenced by her. REM did a bunch of Leonard Cohen songs. So while I know little about Laura N I am a fan of Leonard Cohen.

I think you mentioned Laura Nyro to make the point of Cult favorites inducted. And so I mentioned Leonard Cohen. Are you a fan of Leonard Cohen? I'm a a bit of a fan, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash and Jennifer Warnes have played his songs and so many others. Roxy Music is a band that's a Cult favorite. Roxy Music were inducted 2019. Andd so in the same way Cult favorites can be inducted. BUT the situation has changed.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 03:49am


I don't remember if I posted a prediction, so here goes:

If five:
Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon

If six, add either Iron Maiden or Soundgarden

If seven, add Joy Division - New Order or Rage Against the Machine.

Posted by Joe S. on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 07:02am


If my memory serves me well, someone in the hall said the hall wanted to hold in induction ceremony in London in the future. Therefore, the hall may try to overcome the bias against British acts in the future, which is a good sign. If the hall adds more British voters, we may see the Jam, Blur and many other British artists to be inducted in the future.

As for Richie's judgement about the Smiths and the Replacements, it is too early to tell their cases as they only tried 2 and 1 time respectively, it can not make the conclusion that they can not be inducted as main performers in their next nomination.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 07:15am


Power

I don't think there's much relationship between location and who goes in (Zevon is nominated for new York, ll and jay went in in Cleveland). I also am very doubtful they induct blur largely because of Gorillaz (I see Albarn getting AME).

The Smiths will never be nominated as long as Moz is alive because he's a white supremacist who has advocated for a genocide. If he is nominated again then there is no case against someone like Nugent or Kanye.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 07:46am


All,

Just a reminder, the fan vote is one vote out of over a thousand cast. It may be a useful barometer, but has absolutely zero value as a vote. As has been pointed out out, some years it ius close, some years on another planet.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 08:33am


If the Hall of Fame wants to increase its profile here in the UK by holding an event in London it would be wise to hold off from forcing Kate Bush in this year - unless she gets the votes. If she would be inducted in London there is an actual chance she would turn up. Other than her iconic 2014 shows she has only appeared 3 times in public in the last 28 years - all at award shows. Of the living nominees this year she is by some considerable distance the most well-known in the UK and has sold more records than anyone except George Michael. The fact that she went to a pub in Oxford was enough for media reports recently. At the moment the profile of the Hall of Fame is barely above zero here and I only became aware because of the Fuss some George Michael fans have been making. On the Kate sites, there is little to no mention of it at all.

Posted by Pete on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 09:32am


I'm not sure if I've had a harder time making a prediction that I am this year. The only one I feel even remotely certain about is Willie Nelson. Beyond that it feels like a total crapshoot. That being said, here are my final predictions for this year (in order of my level of confidence):

Willie Nelson
Missy Elliott
Joy Division/New Order
George MIchael
Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
The White Stripes

For what it's worth, The class I'd most WANT to see is New Order/Joy Division, The Spinners, Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, Cyndi Lauper, A Tribe Called Quest, and The White Stripes. I don't see much chance of that being the final class though.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 09:39am


Richie,

Re Kat and JD/NO, the committee at this point has nothing to do with the vote, it is in the hands of the voters. Only if an artist does not pass their threshold does the committee get involved again, to decide if Early Influence or Musical Excellence is a way to shoehorn them in. Unless by committee you meant the voting body. Also, I continue to remind you that mainstream success is only one aspect. JD/NO and/or Kate may not get in, but they are both far more qualified than Celine, INXS, Tears for Fears, etc. And it is not like they do not have well-known songs.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 10:16am


Mat R,

For a minute I thought you were serious about Paul Anka!

Funny thing, he is not a horrible choice, kind of like Neil Sedaka he is a prolific songwriter. I still would like to see Connie Francis from that era. She did some lightweight drivel, but she was a trailblazer for women in rock & roll and did cut some good rock & roll sides. Maybe she can get an Early Influence while she is still alive.

Posted by souljah on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 10:29am


Final predictions

George Michael
Willie Nelson
Sheryl Crow
The White Stripes
The Spinners

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 12:01pm


Mat R,

No way that they only do 5 inductees this year, I think that they'll do 6 or 7 inductees again this year, as well as they should.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 12:18pm


Richie

They have 14 nominees, HBO don't want a 4 hour award show, if there's a break at 5 they'll take it

Posted by mjjrooney@gmail.com on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 12:42pm


My final predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The Spinners (If 7)
A Tribe Called Quest (If 8)
Warren Zevon

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 13:49pm


Happy final day of voting everyone!

Once again, here are (revised) final predictions:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
A Tribe Called Quest/Sheryl Crow/ Joy Division-New Order (7th slot)

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 14:00pm


Mat R,

I doubt there's going to be only five. If there's only five, then there wouldn't be any side categories this year. It's a strange pattern that there's no side categories when there are 5 acts being inducted in the performers category.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 14:15pm


mjjrooney@gmail.com

While HBO does have the upper hand to suggest whose the best act to be inducted to gain good ratings among the 18-34 age demographic, they don't really have a say when it comes to how many acts there should be in the performance category. If they want to have a ceremony where it's a half performance and half non-performance (where artists don't perform - they just have a video montage of their career highlights, give a speech, and walk off stage without a performance) then sure.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 14:32pm


Elle dee

Why would there be no side categories if there's only 5 performer inductees?

I think they're gonna to try and tighten things up to have a shorter ceremony (as HBO, which is under new more conservative ownership, probably doesn't want a 4 hour show again) but there will likely still be 9-11 total inductees

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 14:38pm


Mat R,

In the past, they did have side categories when there are 5 performance inductees, but it became less as the years went by after 2011. Sister Rosetta Tharpe was the only side category that year in 2018 when there were 5 performance inductees.

As for HBO, if they are that concern over the time limit of the ceremony, they could just simply suggest who gets to perform and who doesn't to keep it less than 4 hours.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 15:04pm


Elle dee

Historically the side categories were rarer but they've adjusted. What I'm thinking is a combo of HBO desires and the hall shifting away from the post pandemic celebrations that were 2021 and 2022.

It's overall easier to induct 5 acts (maybe 6) and plus an AME and have each get a 8 minutes to perform and then have them talk for 10 a 3 minute video.

40 to 60 minutes of music + 90-120 minutes of talk = reasonable show

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 15:15pm


Mat R,

The Grammy Awards run at a time length three hours and 30 minutes including commercials on CBS. The Oscars run at a time length of three hours including commercials on ABC. Unlike CBS and ABC, HBO is cable with no commercials. If they want to be like the Grammys and Oscars as far as time constraint, HBO can throw a three hour ceremony with 6 or 7 inductees performing their three songs quickly as a medley, have the inductor give a speech less than 5 minutes, and give the inductee to talk under 6 minutes to keep things going fast and quickly.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 15:50pm


Elle dee

The Oscars and Grammys have also cut down from like 4.5 hours and are live broadcasts.

HBO also just underwent an ownership change.

Btw the rock hall failed to do what you said last year. It's easier to cut an inductee or 2 than edit and restrict stars more than you already are

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 16:04pm


HBO should edit down whatever highlights they want from the full show after it's done, but the full ceremony, the list of who they get to or want to induct - none of that should be cut down for a corporation to decide what is the most marketable.

Rock Hall is already very fine line of what rock even is, but telling inductees you get less time + little to no performances is pretty much the polar opposite.

Posted by Guest on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 16:17pm


I talked to brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll on forums.stevehoffman.tv regarding inside information about the 2023 official voting and he replied back to me and he said:

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-120

If they go with 7 , George may not be elected
Bump Missy to #4
Spinners to #5
George to #8
Then what they have from #8 to 10 (The White Stripes, Soundgarden and Joy Division/New Order) , bump down 1

They may go to 8 elected , if George is close enough.
The "hard rock" vote might all cancel all 4 of these acts out.

Again the late ballots could flip things around
but I think my top 4 (Willie Nelson, Cyndi Lauper, Sheryl Crow and Missy Elliott) are really safe
my #5 thru #8 (The Spinners, Warren Zevon, A Tribe Called Quest and George Michael) are all leaning towards yes

we may see 8 elected by the vote this year
(that may be a first)
If George is #8 , we will see 8 elected

my #9 (WS) looked really good at the beginning , but the splitting of the (Hard Rock) vote , really started to hurt their chances

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 16:35pm


Guest

Yep that's why I'm thinking we see fewer inductees than last year. The years of 13-14 inductees were fun but they're probably done cause no one really wants a pre taped 4 hour awards show

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 16:36pm


Mat R and Guest

If they do five inductees in the performance category, this would be the likely outcome:

Willie Nelson
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Warren Zevon
The White Stripes

This year the hall is celebrating 50 years of hip-hop and there's no way they're going to celebrate hip-hop without Missy Elliott or ATCQ. Since Missy got the bigger momentum, she's a shoo-in for induction as a hip-hop act. Warren Zevon is too well beloved by critics and peers to be ignored by the hall this year. This is going to be his year.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 16:57pm


Yes, this will be the small class.

After ending voting process, I will provide information as soon as possible.

George will not be #8. Saying George not being inducted in this year is almost zero. The Spinners are in the same tier with atcq, ws, sg, bush and jd/no. They are tie.

Current situation:
Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper
Missy Elliott
George Michael
Sheryl Crow
Warren Zevon
A Tribe Called Quest
Soundgarden
the White Stripes
JD/NO
Kate Bush
the Spinners
Iron Maiden
RATM

Posted by blueoystercult on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 17:02pm


Elle dee

Totally agree about the 50 years point however I'm skeptical of her for the same reason I am of Kate: is she a big enough deal that members of Chicago, journey, and the rascals will vote for them rather than Warren Zevon or Cyndi Lauper?

If Missy fails I'm between salt n pepa, last poets, or DJ Kool Herc getting in a side category

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 17:08pm


Mat R,

At this point, I think it's more likely that Kate will end up in AME than the performance category. With Missy, she is the one people are eyeing for induction this year to celebrate hip-hop and with good reason. She would be the first black female rapper (not counting Sylvia Robinson) to be inducted. That's history that couldn't be ignored. Plus, she has so many accolades including Grammys and a songwriter hall of fame induction that overqualifies her as a potential inductee. She is highly respected in the industry, highly influential. She checks all the important boxes.

As for Salt n Peppa, Last Poets, and Dj Kool Herc? Well they already induct Gil Scott-Heron as an early influence of hip-hop as the godfather of rap. I think they're going to continue with the 70s with DJ Kool Herc.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 17:20pm


Some gossip:

Someone in the committee will advocate for Tori Amos, do not suprise her appearing on the ballot in the next year.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 17:32pm


Elle dee

I agree but I'm not a 75 year old white guy who wants Emerson Lake and Palmer in. The reason I mentioned big enough is because while Missy went plantinum on each album the guys who have become fye all had one album that outsold her entire discography (em, tupac, and biggy each went diamond while jay had a 6xplatinum album) and they all had a #1 as a lead artist and she didn't. There is a chance she isn't big enough for a lot of voters.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 17:47pm


Mat R

I went to Missy's wikipedia page. I'm just stunned that she has never had a number one hit album or song. All of her albums are certified platinum in America, but no number ones. I could've sworn that Get Ur Freak On and Work It were number one hits, but Freak On only reached #7 and Work It only reached #2. And then I remember from about four years ago that there were no female solo rappers with a number one hit song after Lauryn Hill until Cardi B's Bodack Yellow, a song that I truly despise.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 18:04pm


Alright, I'll bite the bullet and send in my predictions for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2023.

1: Willie Nelson
2: George Michael
3: Cyndi Lauper
4: Sheryl Crow
5: Warron Zevon
6: Joy Division/New Order
7: Iron Maiden

Posted by Johnny on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 18:04pm


BlueOysterCult,

Is this year's class shaping up to be Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson and Warren Zevon?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 18:44pm


BlurOysterCult if Tori Amos were to be inducted before Kate Bush that would be seen as the ultimate insult to the British Music Industry by quite a few if you know your history around the year 2000.

Posted by Pete on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 18:47pm


BlueOysterCult, your leaks are fake and unreliable. Unless you can prove you are real (which you absolutely can), please stop with the BS. Voting ballots are still coming in and the current results are not known to the public besides the voting committee.
And there is no way Tori Amos will get in while Kate Bush is shafted. The current committee will not allow that.

Posted by VisenyaTargaryen on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 18:55pm


Elle dee

Hey.....I like Cardi b she's charismatic AF. But yea work it stalling at #2 feels very wrong.

Also just cause it was promised and I failed, rahiem (of the furious five, who I was in talks with about revealing a ballot) didn't pull through. Sorry guys but I wasn't able to get a ballot with a name on it. He is however doing a 50 year of hip hop interview with me so that'll be fun

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 19:13pm


Mat R,

I like Cardi B too, but I just think that Bodak Yellow is overrated. Now, WAP with her and Meg Thee Stallion is my absolute fave

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 19:18pm


Kate Bush will be likely in side doors in this year. Make the door open for other art pop women artists like Amos.

I just say it is not the final result, it is the current situation based on what I know.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 20:20pm


BlueOysterCult

Even if Kate gets in via AME, people like Tori, Bjork, PJ, Sinead, Fiona would have a much harder time getting in. Judas Priest got in last year via AME and people thought it would open the door for Iron Maiden this year. Now, Iron Maiden's chances of getting in this year are not good because voters are still bias when it comes to heavy metal, which is unfortunate because they deserve to get in.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 20:33pm


Richie,

you can think so but the final result is not known as of now. It is just current situation.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 20:39pm


I can not preridct the chances of other art pop women artists now. At least the nominated committee will have a try by putting them on thr ballot. Also, Amos and Apple are bigger acts than Bush in the United States, which will make difference certainly.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 20:44pm


BlueOysterCult,

I think that your leaks are fake and unreliable, Unless you can prove you are real (which you absolutely can), please stop with the BS. Voting ballots are still coming in and the current results are not known to the public besides the voting committee.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 20:44pm


Richie, your statement can be used on brucewayneofgotham as well, he also has the same type of errors. He also should not know the result before the voting process is over. Why you just believe on him and not on BOC? Although I think BOC is fake as well, I can not understand your logic. Lots of laughs.

Posted by driving force on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 20:51pm


driving force,

I believe that brucewayneofgotham's leaks are much more realistic and much more reliable, so I trust brucewayneofgotham more than BlueOysterCult.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 21:05pm


I have said it is not the final result because the voting process is not over, it is just the current situation, I have just said it in previous posts. We can see if I am right on the final result.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 21:08pm


brucewayneofgotham also does not know the result of voting, he is just guessing as well. Why you believe on him? You can realize the errors of BOC, why you can not realize the same errors on brucewayneofgotham? You just have no logic.

Posted by driving force on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 21:11pm


You just believe on brucewayneofgotham because his prediction is about the same with yours. You just say it is true to show you are right. You believe the fake information not based on the reliability. The fake information is just the reflection of your will so you just use the fake information to solidate your own viewpoints. Generally speaking, if the information is near to what you think, you just "believe" it. If the information is not near what you think, you just say it is unreal. You just judge things by your like, not by your logic and thinking.

Posted by driving force on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 21:18pm


theres really zero point in even interacting with self claimed "leakers". its all a loud of crap it always is. but its fun to see them scramble to cover their lies when confranted. if any of these guys have any actual legitimacy ill post my full name and address on here, cause theres zero chance.

Posted by Will M on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 21:47pm


Yeah, the only "leak" I can trust is Casper and his website trick to know who got inducted. But I'm afraid the Hall itself are aware of that and they're doing everything they can to keep it a secret until 8:00 EST.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 22:33pm


As the clock ticks to midnight with the fan vote closing and the induction announcement coming next week, I want to take this opportunity to reflect on the 14 acts:

Willie Nelson - Such an icon! He's still alive and kicking at 90 years old! He's been around for a very long time, ingrained in American pop culture as the cool pothead of country music.

Sheryl Crow - The rock chick of the Lilith Fair era. Wouldn't it be totally kick ass to see Sarah McLachlan induct her? She has classic songs that continues to live in my head rent free, specifically If It Makes You Happy.

Missy Elliott - I was six years old when Supa Dupa Fly came out and immediately became a fan. Her music was the soundtrack to every house party I attended in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th grade. She creatively unique, held her own as a hip-hop artist and producer in a male dominated industry. It may be the boys club, but Missy is just one of the guys.

Warren Zevon - He was more than Werewolves of London. He was a talented songwriter with a dark sense of humor.

The White Stripes - Jack and Meg turned me into an obvious Indie teenager by the time I was in high school. But when you got a sound that fuses garage punk with the sensibilities of the blues, you know you're doing something right for my 14-year-old self back in 2005.

Soundgarden - Chris Cornell. 'Nuff said.

The Spinners - It's a Shame is my jam! They got the best of both worlds - The Detroit sound of Motown and The Philly sound of soul.

Kate Bush - Oh Kate, My Lionheart. She changed my life at the age of 13 when I first watched the music video of her song Suspended in Gaffa on VH1 Classic during one boring summer afternoon back in 2004. She made it okay to be weird in music. She made it okay to take creative risks in songwriting. She made it okay to be your authentic self in your art.

Joy Division/New Order - Joy Division birthed Love Will Tear Us Apart. New Order birthed Blue Monday. Both bands evolved from the dark, gloomy world of goth to the energetic sound of synth pop and electronic rock.

A Tribe Called Quest - In a class of their own, they made themselves distinctive during the 90s era of gangsta rap with their own brand of alternative hip-hop that continues to be found in the works of Kendrick Lamar and Mac Miller.

George Michael - WHAM! BAM! AND ALL THAT GOOD JAM! His voice smooth and soulful. His songs capture the yearning of finding a good love that's found to find. His own coming out story that almost ended his career. He was and still is a queer icon. An artist I have high respect for. My most cherished song by him is Kissing a Fool It showcased what an angelic crooner he was.

Cyndi Lauper - A punk Madonna?? She's her own woman. A legend. An icon. She's multitalented. She isn't afraid to stand up for human rights, whether it be lgbtq+ rights or reproductive rights. The girl will never stop having fun!

Iron Maiden - They are one of the most prominent British heavy metal bands to remained prolific through concert tours, while having their music being introduced to younger fans of metal along the way. Their unique fusion of heavy metal with elements of progressive rock makes them stand out from the crowd as an early example of progressive metal.

Rage Against the Machine - Rap rock with a kick ass left-wing/progressive perspective. They entered the 90s decade with their own sound and style and weren't afraid to piss off (or confuse) conservatives with their no holds barred lyricism on the negative side of capitalism and corruption and telling far-right conservatives where exactly they should go. Plus, Tom Morello's guitar work is always noteworthy.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 22:53pm


I've been predicting Tori Amos for 2 years. She is deserving and her induction should surprise nobody. She is more influential than crow or bjork

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 23:18pm


K-Dawg, although I do not think the information of BOC is real, I think Tori Amos should be the next women in art pop scene to be inducted. She is bigger than Bjork, Sinead, PJ and maybe Apple in America. She should get her first nomination before 2025 after Kate Bush's induction.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/28/2023 @ 23:26pm


OMG I have to step in

Tori Amos is in no way shape or form more influential than Bjork. Bjork is on another motherf****ng level of influence.

Arca, Anohni, Damien Hirst, Tanya Tagaq, Lars Von Trier, Harmony Korine, Michel Gondry, Kanye West, 100 Gecs, Lady Gaga, Tom Ford, Tyler the Creator. The Daniels literally just won all the Oscars. All of them. Tori Amos can't compete with Bjork's influence. Even Kate Bush can't.

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 00:04am


The snubs should include
Suzi Quatro, Suzanne Vega,
They Might Be Giants,
Danny & The Juniors, Garbage,
Mercury Rev, The Primitives,
The Dead Milkmen, Scorpions,
Sweet, The Raspberries, Badfinger
& The Alan Parsons Project.

I don't believe any of these
have ever even been nominated.

Posted by LaustCawz on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 01:19am


The snubs should include
Suzi Quatro, Suzanne Vega,
They Might Be Giants,
Jethro Tull, King Crimson
Danny & The Juniors, Garbage,
Mercury Rev, The Primitives,
The Dead Milkmen, Scorpions,
Sweet, The Raspberries, Badfinger
& The Alan Parsons Project.

I don't believe any of these
have ever even been nominated.

Posted by LaustCawz on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 01:22am


There are a couple deserving acts there, but thus isn't "lets put all my Favorite bands in" chat

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 01:59am


soulja,

Hey I also would like to see Connie Francis from that era. She did some lightweight success but she was a trailbazer for women in rock & roll and did cut some good rock & roll sides. Maybe she can get in as Early Influence. NOT this year but Next year.
A fine lady just after is Bobbie Gentry but she is too much of a one hit wonder.
Ahhh but Dionne Warwick is perfect for Early I. Dionne Warwick could even be an Early I this year or maybe next. Here is a Re post of my Special Categories for this Year

Early Influence:

Big Mama Thornto
the Spinner

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush
Iron Maiden

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 03:22am


I agree 6 inductees is the most likely scenario.

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 06:04am


Mat R.,

Kate Bush is same level influence if not more IMO, she came first and had a wider range of influence because of that as well as pioneering some developments. Not an important debate since they both 1000% deserve to be in but that's how I see it.

What's annoying about the voter base's indifference to Bush up until now is that it holds up Bjork, who is the clear next in line for nomination as soon as Bush is inducted. Bush has to come first though and American boomers are holding her back until potentially now.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 06:29am


Bjork, Amos and Apple are bigger than Bush in America, and they have more chance to be inducted in main route.

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 07:10am


Guest

When it comes to music I would agree but when it comes to art and culture Bjork has exceeded her.

It's quite annoying Bjork, who has been eligible for 20 years (a year longer than bush), is waiting cause of the hall's stupid do stuff in order approach that only applies to some genres but not others. Also kinda wack they put Beck (someone often linked to Bjork) on a ballot with Bush before Bjork even got a chance. I feel it says a lot about the order approach the hall has.

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 08:06am


Mat R.,

Arguably, while Bjork was technically eligible for a long while, neither her nor record labels or almost anyone else considers that 1977 children's album as her first solo album. Even naming the album she considers her first Debut, so she'd want that to be her first year of nomination. If you consider her nomination eligibility starts with 1993 artist being eligible it isn't as bad

Regardless of how we feel, the hall has made it clear Bush is getting in first. They like to do "similar" artists one at a time for nominations then move onto the next one on the list once the prior nomination is in (or occasionally swap them out with another similar artist), and I bet the immediate year after Bush gets in as a performer or ME Bjork is nominated

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 09:31am


Guest

Yes but between that kids album and her 1993 album she was in various punk bands (her earliest release there was 1982), the sugar cubes (who debuted in 1986), and recorded a jazz album in 1990. While her true debut is 1993 she was super active after that kid album in 1977.

Also yea and it's stupid especially cause they threw Beck in

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 09:44am



So I decided to do a mini project that involved rearranging every performer inductee, plus a few side-category and non-inducted artists for good measure, into different classes to try and make better results. Gonna start with the first 10 classes and then make my way from there. Maybe this'll lead to conversations other than what we're currently doing, who knows:
1986: Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Aretha Franklin, Nina Simone, Elvis Presley, James Brown and the Famous Flames, Buddy Holly and the Crickets

1987: The Temptations, Sam Cooke, The Everly Brothers, Roy Orbison, Fats Domino, Etta James, Ray Charles, Wanda Jackson

1988: The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Bob Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, The Supremes, Johnny Cash, B.B King

1989: The Four Seasons, Bo Diddley, The Isley Brothers, Ricky Nelson, Jackie Wilson, Dolly Parton, The Rolling Stones

1990: The Kinks, The Who, Rod Stewart, Carole King, Tina Turner, Simon and Garfunkel, Smokey Robinson and the Miracles, The Platters

1991: Bee Gees, Bob Marley and the Wailers, The Byrds, Joan Baez, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Harry Belafonte, The Four Tops, Carl Perkins

1992: Cream. David Bowie, Frank Zappa/Mothers of Invention, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Otis Redding, Randy Newman, Clyde McPhatter

1993: Muddy Waters, Martha and the Vandellas, Al Green, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Pink Floyd, Van Morrison, Grateful Dead, The Impressions

1994: The Band, Deep Purple, Elton John, Fleetwood Mac, John Lennon, Joni Mitchell, Sly and the Family Stone, Gene Vincent and the Blue Caps

1995: Allman Brothers Band, Neil Young and Crazy Horse, Janis Joplin/Big Brother and the Holding Company, Led Zeppelin, Satanna, Bill Hayley and the Comets, Ike and Tina Turner, The Doors

Thoughts?

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 12:16pm


I wonder if Warren were still with us, if he would've given them the Steve Miller treatment lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 12:37pm


Raichu, if you're reading this: Good job so far with your project. I love the idea and the direction you're heading in. My only suggestion is that you also include performers who haven't been inducted yet, or, in plain English, "snubs." Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Iron Maiden, Luther Vandross, etc. (I'm just dropping names off the top of my head.) Hope you have fun, buddy.

Posted by Johnny on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 13:02pm


Power, Mat R,

Not only is Bjork way ahead of Tori Amos, P J Harvey is way ahead as well.

Posted by souljah on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 13:05pm


Mat R

Re Zevon: I think it's mostly saying thank you for people who have voted in the fan vote since it ended yesterday and only said that inductees are going to be announced next week.

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 16:09pm


Very interesting comment from the Zevon camp

In one way it's very easy to conceptualize as thanking for voting in the fan vote. At the same time, no mention of the Rock Hall announcing inductees "next week" has been made at all but they are saying it is.

Leaning towards them just making an assumption like we are that it's next week since I don't think they'd be contacted just yet, but if he did make it it would not be surprising.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 16:27pm


John RC

Yea but no one ever talks about upcoming the announcement other than those who are getting in (eg Duran Duran, the go-gos, I think Steve miller or John Mellencamp as well). It's an unusual thing to promote to fans if you're not getting in.

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 16:59pm


Guest

I agree. And also, I think it's a little too early for them to contact them when it's the last day to turn in their ballots. The earliest time someone heard they got inducted was when someone got word that Deep Purple got inducted on the same day voting ended.

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 17:26pm


It is perhaps notable that the official websites for the four British acts have made no mention of their nominations over the last couple of months. Even their fan groups seem to have very limited interest ( apart from a couple of George Michael groups) For example the Kate Bush fan sites have made almost zero mentions and appear more occupied by behind the scene movement pointing towards new music and even a possible tour. (also rumours she is about to be appointed a Dame- would only be the 7th rock musician to be knighted and the first Woman)

Posted by Steve on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 17:40pm


Guest and John RC

I have to disagree. We know the hall talks to the nominees about how voting is going. Heck remember when dolly changed her tune last year with a statement that made it fairly clear she knew she was going in on the day voting closed. Plus in all likelihood most of the ballots are in and counted well before the last day of voting (just not finalized). Heck deep purple knowing day of us kind of proof of that. Odds are someone told the Zevon family stuff was looking good for warren.

And again promoting the announcement is a very weird thing to do if you don't know how it is going to go for you, cause the chance of egg on your face is high, plus everyone who has done tmk so has gone in

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 17:58pm


John R.C.,

That makes it possible Zevon was so far ahead in voting their camp got word he is getting inducted, still think they need a day or two to be contacted so I don't think that's 100% it. Is still a possibility they were though.

Steve,

It makes sense the British acts aren't mentioning their nominations or campaigning, the British have always been slightly weirded out by the hall as a whole or have not shown interest in it. For specifics, don't need to explain why for George Michael, Kate Bush is infamously reclusive and with already being nominated a few times won't mention it until she gets in (and even then just a short paragraph on her website), Iron Maiden likely doesn't think they have a shot given metal's history, New Order has almost always been a real indie act and have always been uneasy with industry praise or events going back to the 80s.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 18:15pm


Lock:
Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper
Warren Zevon

Highly possible:
Missy Elliott
George Michael
A Tribe Called Quest
Sheyrl Crow

Remaining Hope:
Soundgarden
Kate Bush
the White Stripes

No chance:
Joy Division/New Order
the Spinners
Iron Maiden
Rage Against the Machine

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 18:38pm


...Actually agree with BOC's "leak" here in terms of the locks, was saying Willie and Cyndi were the locks for a long while and Mat is convincing me Warren made it (which I hope he does)

Which is actually is a great inductee list so far, but then again pretty much all these acts would be great picks.

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 18:47pm


BlueOysterCult

So the three remaining hopes are essentially dark horses?

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 19:41pm


Part 2 of my rearranged project. Later on while doing this I had a lot of make-ups due to either there not being many inductees that became eligible that year (2008, 2012) or some having none at all so far (2011, 2016). I'll post the rest of the classes tomorrow:
1996: Black Sabbath, Curtis Mayfield, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, The Drifters, Velvet Underground, Dion and the Belmonts, Jackson Five, Ronettes

1997: Parliament-Funkadelic, Billy Joel, Sam and Dave, The Stooges, Paul McCartney and Wings, Hank Ballard and the Midnighters, The Coasters, Righteous Brothers

1998: The Eagles, Shirelles, Little Willie John, Nat "King" Cole, Eddie Cochran, The Yardbirds, Jefferson Airplane

1999: Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, Wilson Pickett, John Lee Hooker, Duane Eddy, The Staple Singers, Bobby Darrin, Jimmy Reed

2000: Donna Summer, Judas Priest, Eric Clapton, Aerosmith, Cat Stevens, Buffalo Springfield, Solomon Burke

2001: AC/DC, Queen, James Taylor, Earth, Wind and Fire, The Mamas and the Papas, Patti Smith Group

2002: Ramones, Blondie, Talking Heads, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Michael Jackson, Steely Dan

2003: The Clash, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, The Police, Kraftwerk, KISS, Lou Reed

2004: Alice Cooper, Prince, Van Halen, Dr John, (Young) Rascals, Paul Simon, Dusty Springfield, ZZ Top

2005: U2, Pretenders, Ritchie Valens, Neil Diamond, Genesis, Roxy Music

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 20:04pm


BlueOysterCult,

Is the information that you're getting about the 2023 official voting real/true or fake/false?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 20:05pm


You can think so.

Remaining hopes tier is only higher than no chance tier and still has long way to go.

I have said before Zevon is getting momentum lately and his chance is very high.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 20:07pm


I still believe that brucewayneofgotham's information about the 2023 official voting is more realistic than BlueOysterCult's, I trust in brucewayneofgotham more than BlueOysterCult.

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-120#post-31926075

According to brucewayneofgotham, It looks like the 2023 inductees are leaning towards the following acts:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
A Tribe Called Quest
Warren Zevon

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 20:45pm


Richie can see the final result to see if I am right.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 20:48pm


If you do not belive me, why ask me if it is real. You already have your assumptions and viewpoints. What you do is disrespectful to me and insulting me.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 20:52pm


Please do not post brucewayneofgotham's opinion again. I beg you richie, I want to throw up.

Posted by driving force on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 21:05pm


Why would the Hall elect 8 artists for induction when it's only 14 of them this year. Doesn't make any sense.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 22:24pm


Conflicting sources aside, I do find it interesting that BOC's and richie's leaker's are almost exactly the same with the exception that richie's leaker has The Spinners as an inductee while BOC listed them as "no hope".

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 22:37pm


Ron Jenkins,

It's because votes are tight between 5, 6, 7 and 8 in the official voting this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 22:41pm


Random note

why isn't Jill Mapes's ballot on the ballot tracker?

While she wasn't settled she picked Kate Bush, JD/NO, Missy, and White Stripes for sure

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominations-actually-dont-suck-this-year/

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 23:13pm


American Idol is doing a Rock & Roll Hall of Fame night tomorrow night on ABC, The Top 12 contestants will be performing songs by Rock & Roll Hall of Famers during the show, At the end of the night, 2 contestants will be eliminated and the Top 12 contestants will become the Top 10 contestants, so please check it out if you guys get ABC or not.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/29/2023 @ 23:46pm


Liking the username, VisenyaTargaryen.

Brucewayneofgotham is inaccurate, especially regarding his hatred towards Pat Benatar.

BlueOysterCult, please admit you have been trolling this forum.
I have seen the current results and it is quite different. The only locks so far are Willie Nelson, Cyndi Lauper, and Kate Bush. Missy might be a lock. Rest is still up in the air.
Many of the female voters & past inductees voted for Cyndi & Kate.

Posted by AlysRivers on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 00:05am


AlysRivers,

I think that your information regarding the 2023 official voting is also fake and unreliable as well, same with BlueOysterCult, I trust and believe in brucewayneofgotham more than you and BlueOysterCult.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 00:46am


Richie, what makes brucewayneofgotham different than BlueOysterCult? They aren't that different who claim they are "insiders" for the Hall. In fact, both brucewayneofgotham and BlueOysterCult's "leaks" are almost exactly the same with the exception of how they view The Spinners' chances.

So why do you believe in brucewayneofgotham than BOC or AlysRivers, who the latter didn't even provided a "leak" in their post?

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 01:17am


Becaue he is dumb and eccentric and likes to lick the asshole of brucewayneofgotham. Do not treat him as normal user. He has no logic.

Posted by driving force on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 02:23am


I doubt the ballot tracker is a reliable predictor of who will be in the RRHOF. 35 votes of a possible 1100 is hardly a representative sample. Look at last year's vote; they had A Tribe Called Quest, Pat Benatar, Dionne Warwick, Fela Kuti and Judas Priest as their top ten. I don't think I need to remind anyone that only one of those was inducted as a performer.

Posted by Joe S. on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 02:31am


PB was elected last year. But you are correct the "tracker" is useless. Lionel Richie was near the bottom of the "tracker", but was 2nd in ballot votes according to Eddie Trunk, right behind Dolly.

Posted by nuick on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 03:37am


Matt R,

I read the tweet. I think Warren Zevon will be inducted next week. The statement comes from those are on the Inside. If he were alive he would have felt honored. K Dawg mentions Steve Miller treatment. What does that even mean. He was always solo. BUT I agree no one ever talks about upcoming announcement other than those who are getting in

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 03:54am


Ben,

Steve Miller, probably on the heels of his band being omitted and the lack of fanfare attached to his induction, railed against the nom com and the Hall when he was announced. I could be wrong, but it seems Warren had some similar comments or feelings at some point. So, now, he's being included years later, after he's already passed. The Hall does things backwards at times, but there's no way to always please everybody.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 04:12am


Ballot tracker just reflects the thinking of critics. However, the main body voting is the past inductees and people inside music industry and many of them tend to pick bigger names as bigger names can make them money.

Also, I do not totally believe what Eddie Trunk said is 100% correct.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 04:16am


The final result of voting rank in 2022 is still unknown to the society and what we get is information from different sources. It is hard to distinguish them if it is true.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 04:18am


I think what Richie's voter said is totally unreal, wrong and nonsense and filled with bullshit.

Compared with other artists on the ballot. The Spinners seem to be in B level in their own genre and lack the influence of later artists. There are many other artists on the ballot are A level in their own genre. I am fine with their induction. They deserve the honor definitely but I think they are somewhat marginal. Also, they are not a household name like George Michael. Ranking them in #5 is really laughable as they are not top choice for either people in pop community or critics. Also, it should be noted that Chaka Chan has failed a ton of times, she can get support from both women community and black music community but she still fails. Why the chance of the Spinners is better? It does not make sense to me.

What is more, the wrong prediction of Pat B can prove fake voter is just guessing as well. Let us assume Pat B is ranked #7 in the final voting, it is far from "zero chance". The bug is so obvious but richie can not find.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 04:33am


Goddang guys, enough with the fake bull already

This is ALL we know so far:

George Michael won the fan vote, and that often translates into an induction. Other ballot getters from fan vote are Lauper, Zevon, Maiden and Soundgarden.

Voting ending the 28th.

We know of less than 40 official ballots, which shown by last year is NOT a good indicator of final results

Zevon's twitter advertised the induction as next week. Might have been given word he got induction but that's not a given, it depends how you read it.

That's all we 100% know for certain. Everything else is clout chasers making stuff up. Wait just a few days and we'll see final results

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 06:12am


Did someone seriously say tori Amos is bigger or more important than Björk? That's just objectively untrue. False. Also Björk is Miles and leagues better for one, but Björk has done way more and inspired and shaped more music than individual pianos that Tori's played. It's like comparing talking heads to Dan Fogelberg. And no disrespect intended to Dan fogelberg btw

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 08:07am


Tribe is nearly to be inducted although it is not the ultimate result.

Posted by BlueOysterCult on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 08:15am


Jesus Christ BÖC can you just shut up already!! You do not know anything! I'd love for tribe to be inducted, but none of us know for certain at all, least of all you.

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 08:38am


I think that out of the three leakers (AlysRivers, BlueOysterCult and brucewayneofgotham), I think that the most accurate is brucewayneofgotham, because he's an official real Rock Hall voter and he sees the voting results along with other Rock Hall voters in private Facebook groups of Rock Hall voters and the voting results are not known to the public besides the voting committee, so I think that brucewayneofgotham's information regarding about the 2023 official voting is much more real, true, reliable and realistic than BlueOysterCult and AlysRivers.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 09:03am


I think you should go to steve hoffman music forum to kiss the asshole of brucewayneofgotham every day and never appear on future rock legends again.

Posted by driving force on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 09:07am


I have never seen such a foolish person in my whole life before. I can not stand with richie.

Posted by driving force on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 09:10am


If brucewayneofgotham is not real, richie should eat a ton of shit.

Posted by driving force on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 09:13am


Driving force,

Really no need to be so rude to Ritchie man.

Ritchie,

I really hate to break it to you but there's not gonna be any self pro claimed leaker who's ever actually right.

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 09:37am


K-Dawg,

Ohh Ok. I remember that Steve Miller, probably on the heels of his band being omitted and also lack of attention attached to his induction, spoke against the Hall a lot when he was announced. Its about 20 years ago but recall vaguely that Warren had some similar comments or feelings at some point. So, now, he's being included years later, after he's already passed. The Hall does things backwards many times. But NO way to please everybody due to the hundreds of artists deserving. When some are inducted others have to step aside.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 11:21am


Dang guys,

Too much hostility in this forum. I get there's 2 people spamming about these fake leaks but no need to be so wound up & mellow. I for one don't even care about who's getting inducted, what I'm looking forward is the ceremony. So let's be kind to one another.

Richie,

With all due respect, I find the links you shared very inaccurate & unreliable since there's no actual proof. So may you please stop spamming those.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 11:44am


Has any leaker been 100% right? The last time I can recall a Rock Hall leak being completely true is when someone found out the entire 2019 class via the website.

Posted by xwing1212 on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 11:57am


I put A Tribe Called Quest at about the bottom of this deserving list in terms of chances to get inducted, but it's a crapshoot. If they get inducted, I will be minorly shocked.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 15:06pm


Will M,

I have NOT chatted with you in awhile. When you first got prominent 5 months ago we had lots of chat. Well let's chat on this
I am NOT aquainted well with Tori Amos well but I am aquainted with Bjork a little. Teach me those, I have read that Bjork is leagues better. It seems like Björk has done way more and inspired and shaped more music than individual pianos that Tori's played. Bjork was in the Sugarcubes. Right? I guess it's like comparing talking heads to Dan Fogelberg. And no disrespect taken to Dan Fogelberg. I like Dan Fogelberg. We can have that conversation some other time. I heard Tori Amos and she was boring. Im an older person sharing. We can't chat alll day about my favs like Steely Dan and Talking Heads, Blondie, etc they are inducted long ago

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 15:21pm


Saw on Twitter, someone stated they heard the committee is considering Kate Bush right at this moment. So that leads me to believe, that she was not voted in.

Posted by BoyGenius on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 15:35pm


Boygenius

Link?

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 15:37pm


BoyGenius,

Are you brucewayneofgotham from forums.stevehoffman.tv (aka Btravll from Twitter https://twitter.com/Btravll ?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 15:41pm


Although I am skeptical, if it is real, it also can be interpreted as Kate Bush finishes #7-8 finally and the committee is deciding to induct how many inductees.

It depends on how you thinks.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 15:59pm


Boygenius,

Please link the tweet you saw. Did a glance for tweets mentioning Kate Bush the past day and couldn't find anything

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:00pm


Boygenius,

Please link the tweet you saw.

Posted by driving force on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:14pm


Episode 23 of Road To Jamnation was posted this morning with the first half of my Top 20 Countdown for the albums of 1996.

https://open.spotify.com/show/1HJdOrGR6naUrOPkAfuHQk?si=0-jJuGN6SrysBd-lEsQr9Q

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:18pm


Boygenius

But which committee though? There are separate committees for the categories. The nomination committee handles the performance category. Another committee handles musical excellence.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:21pm


Not believing that rumor until I see a tweet, I searched everything regarding Kate and can't find jack about it.

Regardless, I can see both potentially happening - not getting enough votes so deciding if it's time for ME, but also that they had a set goal of 5-6 inductees and Bush finishing 6-8th, and deciding if they are willing to add one to two (though I'd say likely only one) more induction slots to finally get her in. I did say earlier that was something they might do for her because they know she has to be in + is a good selling point for the ceremony + they will look like real clowns if she's in the side category the more relevant she's becoming

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:28pm


xwing,

the only reliable leak, which has worked several times but doesn't give us the whole picture, is through website updates.

Basically at midnight before the inductees are announced, the pages of the inducted artists will change to a "403 Access Forbidden" message, while the ones that don't get inducted will typically stay active or be deleted entirely. But this doesn't always work for every artist and doesn't necessarily tell us the whole class.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:32pm


"boygenius" pops up for one minute, leave a message and disappears? I don't buy it, and I'm thinking Kate Bush is gonna be ME'd, as I believe I predicted. One way or the other, the Hall isn't gonna pass up the chance to capitalize on "Running Up That Hill's" success...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:36pm


According to BoyGenius on forums.stevehoffman.tv as brucewayneofgotham, He said that Kate Bush finished dead last in the official voting two out of her three previous nominations before this year and she was in the bottom of the official voting again this year as well, Also, he (BoyGenius/brucewayneofgotham) said on forums.stevehoffman.tv ( https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/2023-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees.1166615/page-120#post-31926075 ) that we may see 8 elected by the vote this year (that may be a first), so there's a good chance we will see 8 elected this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:40pm


If there are less than eight performer inductees, richie should eat a ton of shit.

Posted by driving force on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:44pm


Say what you want about Richie but the man provides sources

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:45pm


The camp of Warren Zevon is notified to be inducted.Willie is also notified and others are still pending.

Posted by BoyGenius on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:52pm


I apologize I am too rude. If I see this kind of "information" in the future I will just ignore it instead.

Posted by driving force on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 17:13pm


BoyGenius

You still haven't answered my question. You said a committee is considering Kate right now. Which committee - the nomination committee that handles the performance category or a separate committee that handles musical excellence? You're being too vague when you said committee, not specifying which committee she's being considered in.

nomination committee

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 17:30pm


BoyGenius,

besides Willie Nelson and Warren Zevon, Which other acts are getting into the Rock Hall this year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 17:32pm


Elle Dee, yes. He is vague about that. He does not explain about this issue. Although two committees have mutual members, they are totally different in function. It proves that he does not know about the rock hall things and he does not know how to answer. Hence, he is unreal and we can wait for the final result in this week.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 17:33pm


Still not giving a link, ignoring everyone and just coming back and saying more things

Boygenius is just BOC. All fake.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 17:42pm


I do not believe the two committee's are a "thing" anymore. Tommy stated that "in a way", on Volume, last summer. I think he stated "13" was the committee number. And it has to be unanimous, someone rolls a "black ball" and any discussion is over and on to the next "consideration"

Posted by nuick on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 17:46pm


I guess Kate Bush will never be popular with record execs due to the business model she has run for over 40 years. There is no money to be made as she is guaranteed in excess of 85% of all royalties and streaming fees.
She owns 100% of all copyright and music publishing. Just as it looked like Warners were about to make a little money from her through re-issues she blocked this and has cut them adrift to employ a small uk record distributor- who have already announced there will be a re-issue of Hounds of Love. It also looks like she will be releasing some of the new music she has been sitting on for a while.
Execs who know their history may be aware of the effect it had on Prince when he met Kate in the 80s and found out about the details of the contract she had negotiated.

Posted by Pete on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 17:57pm


BoyGenius is BOC, but I have no idea if they are connected. The "nut" that Richie mentions on the Hoffman forums. He (or she) seem to have a general knowledge of the industry, nailing sales numbers and leaking RSD info in posts. I honestly think he is one of Quincy's kids.

Posted by nuick on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 17:57pm


Pete

And also concert promoters. They are also hall voters. They're definitely not going to vote for Kate because she never toured or gave any major live performance in America. That's why she's going to resonate more heavily in the musical excellence category.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 18:11pm


nuick,

no, he is fake. He said PAT B has no chance in 2022 before. However, PAT B was inducted in the end and far from "zero chance". PAT B was hot and almost predicted by everybody watching the hall. If he knows the true leaked information, he should not say PAT B is impossible to be inducted. Also, he just pretends to be familiar with industry. If you focus on rock hall thing a lot and read lots of resources of music industry and the interview and rumor, you can also make yourself like a insider.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 18:13pm


In 2022, fan vote ended in April 29 and the result was given in May 4.

Fan vote ended in April 28 in this year. Based on the schedule of the last year, the announcement will be made in May 3. I think we may know the result in 3-4 days.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 18:18pm


I'm sure your right. There is actually serious talk that she is preparing some live events or a tour as she has recently established a new company for 'artistic production' as did before the last set of shows. She would likely promote them herself and handle ticketing. If it was a tour I could only see it being the UK and possibly
a few dates in Europe (avoiding the flying). I can't see her coming to the US and if she did come to North America see would probably head to Canada where she is much more popular and has enjoyed her time there in the past.
Despite these sort of details she has never been money orientated but seems to be against companies getting money they haven't earnt.

Posted by Pete on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 18:32pm


Pete

Which is why Kate is such a savvy businesswoman. I think today's younger artists, especially up and coming artists, should take notes from her in regards to owning your stuff, not letting record execs steal from you, etc. She made millions off of Running Up That Hill because she owns her entire work, just her and no one else.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 18:39pm


For those who didn't know Nick Bambach posted his predictions:
- Sheryl Crow
- Missy Elliott:
- Cyndi Lauper
- George Michael
- Willie Nelson
- Warren Zevon

Posted by xwing1212 on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 18:48pm


Bush having independence and deciding what to do with her music and image and not the corporations who usually own it is the most rockish attitude of them all which of course means she's not in the hall lol.

Same reason JD/NO took 20 years for a single nomination

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 18:48pm


BoyGenius is the same person who wrote this comment on here back a couple of months ago in February on February 26:

About the 2023 Nominees, BoyGenius wrote:

The FutureRockLegends forecast by the voters. Out if these picks , Willie is the only one that will be inducted.
The others:
The Spinners
Missy Elliot
Cyndi Lauper
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
White Stripes
George Michael

8 inducted by the Voters

Artistic Merit : (maybe Maiden)
Dionne , Bacharach , Hal David
The Monkees
Chubby Checker

Sunday, 02/26/2023 @ 05:11am

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 18:53pm


I respect Bambach but part of me hopes his prediction is not the final class. The most competitive ballot in years and it ends up being the most vanilla and predictable assortment of inductees? Knowing the voters it might as well be. I was thinking of going to the ceremony this year (I only live a few hours away from NYC) but if that is the final class, I'm skipping it.

Posted by xwing1212 on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 18:57pm


Guest

Which makes me ponder if Ani DiFranco will get in one day. What helps her is that she has a large following and constantly tours. What hurts her is that she has her own indie label that she self-made from the very beginning of her career because she doesn't trust the corruption and greediness of major labels. Her being anti-capitalist in the music industry that's tragically a capitalist game might harm her chances for her place in the rock hall

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 18:57pm


The class is going to be Willie Nelson, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon, Missy Elliott, Sheryl Crow, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest and George Michael, a large class.

Posted by BoyGenius on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:04pm


Like if Kate Bush or JD/NO are able to squeak by, I'd be excited as I love alternative music. But I don't find Sheryl Crow's music to be interesting, I'm not much of a rap/hip-hop fan so I don't care about Missy Elliot, and while I respect country music (except that Luke Bryan/Florida Georgia Line crap) it's never been a genre that was in my musical rotation. So while I respect Willie Nelson, Cyndi Lauper, and Warren Zevon, I don't know if I would go to a ceremony specifically for them. I would much rather watch the ceremony at home if this is the class instead of going in person.

Posted by xwing1212 on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:06pm


BoyGenius

I honestly do not believe you. The hall has not done 8 inductees since the early aughts. Additionally, it's going to be a possible short class of 5 or 6 inductees.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:09pm


The ceremony will be edited. The length is not a problem. Additionally Questlove and others have pushed for larger induction class for a long time.

Posted by BoyGenius on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:13pm


BoyGenius

Whatever

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:15pm


Part 3 time:
2006: Sex Pistols, The Cars, LaVern Baker, T.Rex, Rush, Miles Davis, Lynyrd Skynyrd

2007: Depeche Mode, R.E.M, Linda Ronstadt, Dave Clark Five, Donovan, George Harrison, Pat Benatar

2008: The Flamingos, Madonna, Metallica, Janet Jackson, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, The Cure. Hall and Oates

2009: Run-DMC, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Gene Pitney, Brenda Lee, Traffic, Leonard Cohen, Jeff Beck

2010: Whitney Houston, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Duran Duran, John Mellencamp, Beastie Boys, Yes, Peter Gabriel

2011: Bonnie Raitt, The Go-Go's, Heart, Cheap Trick, Todd Rundgren, Electric Light Orchestra, Tom Waits

2012: Guns N' Roses, LL Cool J, Bobby Womack, The Zombies, Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band, Journey

2013: Public Enemy, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble, Dire Straits, Carly Simon, The O'Jays, Issac Hayes

2014: Buddy Guy, Nirvana, Steve Miller Band, The Ventures, Billy Preston, The Dells, ABBA

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:18pm


If this annoying genius is wrong in even the least bit...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:18pm


Elle Dee,

I don't think there's any chance for their induction. The Rock Hall is an industry's boys club and likes to ignore any "outsiders" who doesn't play their industry game unless they are too big and obvious to ignore less it makes the hall look like a joke without their inclusion (which JD/NO and Bush are perfect examples). Even then, they make them wait a long time to become some of the more obvious snubs. If you are not that well known and obvious as those two to the point they need you more then you need them and aren't playing their game you aren't ever getting in.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:19pm


Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees will be announced Wednesday, May 3rd .

From the Twitter of future rock legends.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:36pm


Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees will be announced Wednesday, May 3rd .

From the Twitter of future rock legends.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:36pm


BoyGenius/BlueOysterCult - bugger off.
Nominees are announced Wednesday.
So far- here is the class:
Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper
Missy Elliott
Kate Bush
Joy Division/New Order
Warren Zevon.

It's hilarious that the rest of these "leakers" believe the Rock Hall would disregard the opportunity to induct Kate Bush after Stranger Things.
Secondly, Joy Division/New Order has had much larger of an impact than many think.

Posted by AlysRivers on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 20:35pm


These leaks are boring

Anyone watch the Bruins, a team that set the record for best season ever, choke to a wild card team?

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 21:14pm


I looked at that brucewayneofgotham forum and half of it now is literally Ritchie badgering that guy on who's being inducted this year.

Posted by xwing1212 on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 21:20pm


Xwing,

Do nothing has changed? Lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 22:03pm


richie, three users have leak in this forum, who do you believe?

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 22:30pm


POWER,

You are correct with this quote. "PAT B has no chance in 2022 before", but he (or she) nailed every other prediction. Tom Morello said on TV Wens afternoon, while he is involved with the committee. And while he has an idea, he is pretty sure , even he wouldn't be a 100% with a prediction today. With 1k to 1.3k ballots, Tom explained, sometimes the last 100-200 ballots, received in the last couple of days. Will be enough to push someone who is not in the running, into induction. Alan Light alluded to this too , when he was on SIRIUS/XM.

And remember when last years nomination ballot was announced on SIRIUS/XM, Alan said to Mark Goodman (who couldn't believe what Alan was saying). That Lionel Richie was the only guaranteed inductee on that ballot. And he was correct, as most sources state he was #2 in Votes. Morello also whispered on SIRIUS, that Lionel was actually #1 in the recount.

And the information leaked to Trunk (which he broadcasted on his show), was Dolly #1 and Lionel #2. And Eminem #3. And the top 3 were very tight.

Posted by nuick on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 22:41pm


nuick

Yes, thank you for providing the vote ranking information to me. But I still do not believe credibility of brucewayneofgotham. Other guys in this forum predicted more precisely than him and his 7 predictions were all right. He does not have the connection and just analyse by the history trend. The last year class was a little safe and easy to guess, and every prediction in the last year seemed to have 5-6 right from 6-7. We can see if his prediction works in this year to make conclusion. If there will be 8 inducted? If the Spinners and ATCQ will be inducted as performer?

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 22:54pm


Laugh all you want, but on both the Stern show (4 Voters) and the Eddie Trunk show, None of the 5 voters had any clue, who Kate Bush was. Zero, Zip, Never heard one of her songs, knowingly. For that matter Joy Division/New Order were just met with laughs on both. Howard did not support the Spinners, but Jon and Gary did. Gary pointed out they had 22 Top 20 R&B Hits, 12 which crossed-over to the Hot 100 Top 20.

Posted by nuick on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 22:58pm


nuick,

I wonder if you are insider or hall watcher just like us users?

Posted by driving force on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 23:03pm


Power,

I have reason to think he is QDIII (or one of Quincy's other kids). He/She basically admitted to being related to him. In a since deleted post on the forum

Posted by nuick on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 23:05pm


I have a sense and I think nuick is brucewayneofgotham actually to prove he is right. They are the same person.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 23:07pm


I am an employee of SIRIUS/XM. So no inside information, I just have to listen to SIRIUS/XM 24/7, lol.

Posted by nuick on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 23:08pm


Hall of famers are also a large group to make votes and their votes can have influence.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 23:26pm


If a voter just knows the biggest name and does not know the history of the evolution of rock music, I think he/she should not be qualified as a voter.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 23:29pm


chasingwildcat,

I wish I had his money...lol

Posted by nuick on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 23:40pm


I wonder what did brucewayneofgotham predict in 2019 and 2020 because in these two years the result is more surprising and can test if he is insider or not.

Posted by power on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 02:29am


Elle Dee,

Kate Bush is in fact in my original era. She has a cult following for decades. All of a sudden Stranger Things brings her a surge. She owns 100% of all copyright and music publishing. Just as it looked like Warner Brothers were about to make a little money from her through re-issues she blocked this and has cut them adrift to utilize a small uk record distributor- who have already announced there will be a re-issue of Hounds of Love. I don't know anything about new music of Kate Bush. I know a few songs. There is really NO way she can be a main Performer. And she is one of my predictions for Musical Excellence. That's what will happen. She is talented but Not meant to be Main Performer.

Hey these leaks are so boring I would rather chat about the Boston Bruins and I do NOT follow Hockey. Thats why I ignore the leaks from probable fakes. Maybe this Genius is real but he is Wrong! He may get lucky with Willie and Warren Z

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 03:43am


Nuick
In all fairness that would be the sort of discussion you would get if Warren Zevon would be talked about in the UK- he probably sold less than 100,000 records outside the US. The difference of course is the impact on the rest of the World. No one can take Kate's record away of being the first female to write all the songs on a million-selling Album (1978) or add the word produce Never Forever (1980) - her sales are greatly understated for these records due to them not being certified in many countries (she had considerable sales in Brazil for example). In both cases in excess of 2 million first pressings were made in the UK alone.
It is for good reason that when the Hall of Fame is occasionally referred to in Britain it is always called the
American Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Pete on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 03:47am


One operator (Harris or Sykes, I forget) in hall once said he wanted the ceremony to be held in London in the future. If that is true, we can see a year in the future that many British artists are inducted. It is reasonable. Because if you have a ceremony in London and the inductees are mostly artists only making commercial success in the united states like Warren Zevon, who will go to the ceremony?

Posted by power on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 04:02am


Nuick,

Howard Stern and Eddie Trunk (literal who) aren't musicians so their opinions don't exactly match what the actual industry thinks. Stern's voters in particular is funny since they openly tried getting all music off their show so they could talk more, and Trunk is a metal fanboy so his opinion is very out of the ordinary compared to average voter and it makes sense he rails against those less rockish acts.

It's more embarrassing for them because they come off as both non-musicians and Limbaugh-tier out of touch boomers

Posted by Guest on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 06:08am


random thought,

if free or bad company were ever nominated, do you think theyd be conjoined like p funk, small faces, and jdno? it would work because paul rodgers and simon kirke came from free, so you could make the arguement that bad co was a continuation like new order or faces. plus itd make the hall look better with classic rock fans and those who whine about the lack of "real rawk", while also enshrining two very worthy bands with one of the greatest lead singers ever.

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 07:04am


we could see more potentially conjoined bands soon, some that dont have a smooth arguement like jdno or even pushing like free badco. i could see the hall putting the guess who and bto together, even tho those 2 bands have seperate identites and stories, that wouldnt be a great pairing, but id settle to get them in.

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 07:07am


Last minute final prediction for Wednesday

Performers:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The White Stripes

Musical Excellence:

Chaka Khan
Patti LaBelle
Warren Zevon

Influence:

Fela Kuti
MC5
Big Mama Thornton

Ahmet Ertegun:

Don Cornelius

Posted by Ian on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 08:28am


Will M,

Maybe. I don't see that happening with Bad Company because the only link is Paul Rodgers. Arguably, he deserves the most recognition with BC; JD/NO to my mind are only included together because of the lineup tweak with the death of Ian Curtis. You may be right in your appraisal, but the Hall seems content to nominate artists separately for both group and individual accolades (as recently as Stevie Nicks and Tina Turner), as well as not including deserving groups before/after the breakout star (Lionel Richie instead of the Commodores).

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 08:52am


If the inductees are the six everyone predicts, the class is very very safe and popular and I will feel very disappointed. This is a bad trend from 2021. If this trend continues, we may see Justin Bieber and Backstreet Boys in the future and it is shame.

Posted by power on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 08:59am


k dawg,

theres also simon kirke who was in free, and now paul + simon are the founding members still in the band, ralphs isnt touring, still a member, and boz burrel passed away. right now Howard leese, formerly of Heart is the official guitarist and todd ronning is the bassist.

power,

i completely agree. id be very disapointed if we start seeing loads of meaingless pop stars, in while the mc5, jethro tull, etc are ignored

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 09:20am


Will m

I can see that happening. Something like a Robert Palmer and Power Station, Blur/Gorillaz, or Misfits/Danzig sorta thing.

I also am now sadly thinking we might see some kind of Randy Bachman recognition next year with the passing of 2 of his brothers/bandmates in the last 2 months

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 09:40am


Kate Bush certainly deserves inclusion, she is hugely influential. Just this week Damon from Gorillaz talked about how much he wants to work with her. She has influenced so many musicians. It's insane that she has been left out for so long. She finished 7th in the poll ahead of Sheryl Crow is pretty amazing.

The Hall list should include:

Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
George Michael

Posted by Joe Mangine on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 10:38am


Joe Mangine
On one of the main Kate sights in the UK, there is a contributor who has collected all the instances when other musicians have either praised Kate or acknowledged her influence since 1998. I believe he has reached 700 pages with over 16 thousand posts! I think the Damon Alban thing was a bit of a publicity thing in a Belgian magazine as Kate is so well-known across Europe.

Posted by Pete on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 11:23am


That's my biggest issue with the performer inductees since 2021. Everything has become so predictable and safe. Even with a ballot as competitive as this one, it's looking to be another safe, vanilla year. I'll just say things were more exciting under the old Rock Hall leadership.

Posted by xwing1212 on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 11:54am


Too many people assuming the "vanilla, safe" picks of Willie, Cyndi, Crow, Missy, Zevon and George are autolocks.

Assuming Zevon is a given for induction given that tweet, we can look at other social media of these nominees who have posted since voting closed. Since then, Willie's camp mentioned nothing (though if he doesn't make it it'll be the upset of the century), Cyndi mentioned nothing, Crow mentioned nothing, Missy mentioned nothing, and George's camp thanked people for voting him top of the fan poll but didn't say to look forward to an official announcement. All have posted since April 28th.

Now a good chance a number of these 5 have made it and are being quiet, but even one of those 5 are in the outside looking in we're going to see a really interesting wildcard sneak in their place.

Posted by Guest on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 15:58pm


Very quiet in this year as the announcement is coming soon.

Posted by power on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 17:17pm


We will see what class of this year and next year will be? If they are very easy to be predicted and popularity oriented, I think I will lost interest and do not watch the rock and roll hall of fame again. If this trend continues, we may find that there will be no rock bands nominated and all nominations are rnb/rap/pop artists. I do not against the inclusion of artists of other genres, I think the standard of induction should at least be B level rock acts and A level acts in other genres. We can not just say rock n roll music is equal to all the popular music after 1952. If the hall want more diversity, why not nominated more electronic acts?

Posted by driving force on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 18:34pm


I'll be surprised if Zevon doesn't get in. Then it would be the first class without any classic rock in a long time. Since probably 1987.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 19:54pm


Been a tough time for Canadian rock, rest in peace to an all time legend Gordon Lightfoot

Posted by Will M on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 20:49pm


Will m

Yea the Bachmans, Gordon Lightfoot, Mendelson Joe, Floyd Sneed, Care Failure, and Red Robinson (the dj who introduced rock to Canada).

The Rock Hall might have a long hard think when they watch the in memoriam this year

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 05/1/2023 @ 21:09pm


Will M,
You may be right in your comments, but the Hall seems content to nominate artists separately for both group and individual contributions. Bad Company is the way to go. They are much more known than Free. You have a lot of knowledge of Free and Bad Company. I think Classic rock has a temporary back seat.

But Hold on Gordon Lightfoot died! When?? This must be breaking news. He is a folk hero from my early days. I love Gordon Lightfoot. Please respond on the Bad Company and the Gordon Lightfoot. Gordon Lightfoot seems to have passed away I have not viewed any Yahoo news yet. Respond respond

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 03:33am


If the hall finds metal acts to be hard to be inducted in main route, the hall should add the voters for metal. Same with other genres and British artists. The hall seems to make no efforts to overcome the bias and the result is going to more and more easy to be predicted. Before 2020, the result of every year will make surprise, but that is not the case since 2021.

The hall is becoming a self-celebration and self entertaining of people in "inner cycle".

Posted by driving force on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 04:15am


RIP Gordon Lightfoot. He is an all time legend, He is one of the great Folk singers of the 1960s and 70s. His biggest hit is Sundown but he is known for many folk music albums. He was big in the hey day of singer/songwriters during the 1970s

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 05:52am


The big day before the day. Casper, your time to shine my friend! With all the leaks here, either legit or perceived (mostly likely faker than a spray tan), it's almost time for the real deal.

One thing I will say. We will celebrate the inductees and we will rip the Hall legitimately for leaving anyone on this list off (they are all deserving in their own ways), but it will all be justified.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 08:22am


There are too many more recent acts on this year's ballot, and I think this helps the Spinners and Willie Nelson. There are 14 nominees, and if they induct 7 as main performers, the Spinners will get in as main performers. No early influence or musical excellence induction for the Spinners.

1. The Spinners
2. Willie Nelson
3. Warren Zevon
4. Kate Bush
5. George Michael
6. Cyndi Lauper
7. Joy Division/New Order

OR

1. The Spinners
2. Willie Nelson
3. Warren Zevon
4. Kate Bush
5. Iron Maiden
6. George Michael
7. Joy Division/New Order

The Spinners finished in 10th place on the official Rock Hall Fan Vote! They did better than Rage Against The Machine, The White Stripes, Missy Elliott, and A Tribe Called Quest by far!

The Spinners are currently tied in 4th place amongst the official voting body for the Rock Hall.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16jiyjdpH2ajzUbtkxACCp0Gw-3mUXTESMzX5GRnvFR8/edit#gid=2114259848

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 08:35am


Ben,

im a big fan of free and bad co!! all right now + shooting star are 2 of my favorite songs ever, although i do prefer the mott version of ready for love. im terribly saddened by gords passing, he was a truly gifted songwriter, hes on carefree highway now.

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 08:44am


ive already shared my predictions, Zevon, Cyndi, tribe, Bush, JDNO, and Willie with the spinners and SG as potential wildcards. but itd be fun to divide nominees by how much i want them in
Zevon,
Bush,
JDNO,
Rage
Maiden,
Soundgarden,
Tribe
Spinners
Willie
Missy
Sheryl
White Stripes
Cyndi
George Micheal

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 08:50am


An Early Morning Rain falling here this morning RIP Gordon Lightfoot. I know I am in the minority, but to me he is every bit as qualified for the Hall as is Warren Zevon.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 09:22am


Seeing a lot of good comments on combined inductions (Free/BC, Palmer/PS). The Hall has tended to want those to be continuous entities, as Small Faces became Faces with Rod and Ronnie joining in replacement of Marriott, and JD=>NO as a continuous flow. Even Parliament/Funkadelic was largely a common group of musicians around George Clinton. Would have been simpler for the Hall if they had gone the Zappa route and just inducted George Clinton.

If anything, I would like to see Chaka solo and Rufus combined, as separately they seem to not quite get the traction needed. That was one hell of a funk outfit in the '70s!

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 09:30am


souljah,

not at all in the minority, he's been snubbed for many years, although I do prefer zevon a lot, good is absolutely deserving of the rock hall

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 09:59am


The only thing I will say before the big reveal (or big leak I should say) in 24 less or less is that all 14 acts are very deserving to get in. No matter who gets in, I'm proud of them. No matter who gets snubbed, I'm still proud of them.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 10:04am


In the last part I meant 24 hours or less of the big reveal

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 10:06am


Elle Dee,

Agree with your sentiments that all are qualified and deserving. Certainly none of them would rank among the ten least deserving of all the inductees to date.

Posted by souljah on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 11:08am


So who is watching links tonight?

I might after nabbing Benatar and priest last year

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 12:55pm


Mat R,

I'll be keeping my eyes out. Probably not posting about it here though, I don't wanna spoil anybody whos waiting for the real announcement.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 14:15pm


RG,

I understand your logic, but after all the "leaks" and drama playing out here the past few weeks, it wouldn't surprise me to see it all laid bare right here with any possible method/opportunity to find out the names.

I also expect there will be quite a bit of gloating or crow served to respective parties lol

I, too, will be keeping an eye on things

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 14:19pm


souljah,

I love GORDON LIGHTFOOT. You are CERTAINLY NOT at all in the minority, he's been snubbed for many years, I DO prefer W Zevon a bit more But Gordon Is VERYY good. Maybe some day

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 15:29pm


Troy Smith has confirmed he knows the 2023 inductees. He says: "Such a diverse list of inductees this year. Can't wait for the reactions."

Posted by xwing1212 on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 16:52pm


Yes, it is a diverse group of inductees.

Unlike last year which was fairly predictable, I am quite proud of this year's class. I had the upmost faith in our voters this year and they completely delivered.

Posted by AlysRivers on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 16:55pm


AlysRivers,

the class is likely with Willie, Zevon, Cyndi, Missy, George, Crow. If this class can be called diverse?

Posted by driving force on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:03pm


I hope you're telling the truth AlysRivers. A lot of the predictions and "leakers" have got me feeling really jaded the past few weeks.

Posted by xwing1212 on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:05pm


xwing1212

https://twitter.com/troylsmith/status/1653501464008970251

I too am curious of wondering just how diverse are the inductees list? Race? Genres?

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:08pm


I forgot to mention gender

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:09pm


If it's diverse by race does that mean The Spinners and A Tribe Called Quest ? Soundgarden has a Japanese and Indian member, are they inducted? If it's by genre, is it a mix of classic rock, rap, pop, alternative, new wave, country, etc?

Posted by xwing1212 on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:13pm


If it's diverse by race does that mean The Spinners and A Tribe Called Quest ? Soundgarden has a Japanese and Indian member, are they inducted? If it's by genre, is it a mix of classic rock, rap, pop, alternative, new wave, country, etc?

Posted by xwing1212 on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:17pm


I'm guessing he's being sarcastic and either 1 or no black artists are being inducted

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:26pm


Mat R

In the comment section of his tweet, Troy said this "But I don't get to wake up and be surprised when old bro 1970s guys get all up in arms when there's not enough "rawk" in the rock and roll hall of fame." I take that as a hint that there's not much rock in this year's class.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:37pm


Elle Dee,

I think based on his comments, we can assume Soundgarden, Iron Maiden and RATM all fail, not sure about other artists.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:40pm


I'm reading it as not sarcastic, and musically diverse more than anything else

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:41pm


the White Stripes may fail as well.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:42pm


Elle dee

Could still be George, Cyndi, Kate, new order, Willie, and Sheryl

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:43pm


Remember that Troy was a supporter of Kate Bush and Missy Elliott in the Rock Hall. I hope that gives you all hope. :)

Posted by AlysRivers on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:45pm


For instance I think that a country artist, a hip hop artist, an 80s pop star, and a singer songwriter on the same bill qualifies as diverse. But maybe some of our other conventional wisdom picks aren't as safe as we thought (i.e. both Willie and Sheryl getting in, or both George and Cyndi).

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:46pm


If we're just going off by Troy's tweets, I think this might end up the class:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
The Spinners
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:49pm


Alright AlysRivers (can't wait to see you in House of the Dragon Season 2 btw),

For your credibility, once and for all - who is getting in this year, including side categories?

I do hope you're right.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:49pm


I'd be shocked if they go George and Cyndi both. I always predicted Cyndi Just cause she's more influential and impactful I feel. But it could go either way between them, but not both of them

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:54pm


I'd be shocked if they go George and Cyndi both. I always predicted Cyndi Just cause she's more influential and impactful I feel. But it could go either way between them, but not both of them

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:54pm


I'd be shocked if they go George and Cyndi both. I always predicted Cyndi Just cause she's more influential and impactful I feel. But it could go either way between them, but not both of them

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 17:54pm


I just found this, from the (presumed) twitter account of Hank Moore. Have doubts this is legit given no Zevon but at least interesting enough to share at least to kick the can

"This year's performer inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame include Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael and Willie Nelson."

Presumption here is Kate + Maiden are ME and rest were the top 6 vote getters

https://twitter.com/hankmoore4218/status/1653471017770024960

Posted by Guest on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 19:36pm


If that tweet is true than this would be the wildest class in a LONG time. It would be especially wild if Kate Bush and Iron Maiden were voted in the performer category and weren't just side door inductions. However, I'm still taking this with a grain of salt.

Posted by xwing1212 on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 19:46pm


Guest

If I took tweet at face value, then it would go something like this:

Performance:

Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael

Musical excellence:

Iron Maiden

Early Influence:

Willie Nelson

We should just wait and see

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 19:52pm


Willie getting early influence would be weird considering that would indicate he did not get enough votes.

Posted by xwing1212 on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 19:56pm


Yeah, I might be mixed on the authenticity of Hank Moore's tweet. If true, it does fit with the diversity Troy L. Smith was talking about, but on the other hand, his comment about the "rawk crowd" getting upset shows that Iron Maiden didn't inducted (performer or in musical excellence).

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 19:57pm


Also if Hank Moore's tweet is true, then it would also discredit BOC and Ritchie's source, brucewayneofgotham.

Posted by xwing1212 on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 20:02pm


John R.C.,

That said, the crowd Troy's talking about gets pissed off if less than like 75% of the inductees are rock bands, not just if none them are.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 20:09pm


RG:

More than 75%. I remember Facebook posts in 2016, in language that wouldn't be tolerated here, that almost threatened to burn down all of Cleveland when the HoF inducted Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller...and N.W.A. (The horror.)

Posted by Joe S. on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 21:10pm


Boy, in my opinion, the 2016 and 2018 classes are the worst the Rock Hall has produced in recent years.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 21:21pm


But seriously, if Hank Moore's tweet is true, then Richie is proven wrong about Joy Division-New Order no matter his claims about them being unimportant they are.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 21:48pm


About the 2023 Nominees, BoyGenius wrote:

The class is going to be Willie Nelson, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon, Missy Elliott, Sheryl Crow, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest and George Michael, a large class.

Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:04pm

I think this is the diverse class that Troy L. Smith is talking about ( https://twitter.com/troylsmith/status/1653501464008970251 ).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 21:55pm


Has anyone tried the website yet?

Also 8 of the 14 people on the ballot getting in! I sure hope that happens even if someone gets in the side door (probably Iron Maiden.) I wonder who will join the "top 5 in the fan vote but not inducted" club with Dave Matthews Band, Fela Kuti, and (assuming they don't get in and Maiden does) Soundgarden.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 22:08pm


Follower

Tried doing the website trick, but all of their pages are still up. Seems to me the Hall knows of our trick and doing everything they can to prevent early knowledge of the inductees.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 22:15pm


Oh man, I am loving and also dreading what FRL just tweeted.

*internalscreaming .gif*

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 22:24pm


Richie

Troy literally replied in his tweet that the class of 2023 is going to piss off rock purists. We all just have to wait and see.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 22:25pm


The class with Willie Nelson, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon, Missy Elliott, Sheryl Crow, The Spinners, A Tribe Called Quest and George Michael is too large. If this is the result, this class fits the diversity and filled with non-rock artists. I still do not believe 8 main performers. Based on the quotes by brucewayneofgotham, namely BoyGenius, the #5-8 were tight last year but only 7 were inducted, this year will be the same, no chance 8 main performers.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 22:34pm


Power

I mean Sheryl and Warren are still classified as rock.

It terms of musical diversity, I'm thinking more in the form of this:

George Michael - Pop
Missy Elliott - Hip-Hop
Willie Nelson - Country
Kate Bush - Alternative
The Spinners - R&B
Warren Zevon - Rock

But we just have to wait and see

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 22:42pm


My guess is if it pisses off classic rock purists, it would mean no Warren Zevon, Iron Maiden and Sound Garden .

Posted by jay kay on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 22:47pm


Power,

About the 2023 Nominees, BoyGenius wrote:

The ceremony will be edited. The length is not a problem. Additionally Questlove and others have pushed for larger induction class for a long time.

Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 19:13pm

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 22:48pm


Elle Dee,

I think talking about pop big names, the chance of Cyndi Lauper is higher than George Michael, but who knows. If I have to guess, I tend to make Cyndi Lauper in as she will be supported by both women community and pop music community.

Richie,

If what you said is true and utilized, and based on his information, ATCQ were already inducted in the last year as ATCQ was #8 by his saying and not far behind #5.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 22:57pm


Hey guys

I think Chaka Khan got the award for musical excellence :) ...

https://www.rockhall.com/chaka-khan

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:09pm


With the way FRL tweeted, my other guess is that one of the top 5 pop acts (ie George Michael and Cyndi Lauper) didn't make the final cut, and considering that both of them have big fanbases that can rival the rockists, they're going to be disappointed if one of them isn't included.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:12pm


Hank Moore is not anonymous on the internet. I think his information is more realistic than the information of anonymous brucewayneofgotham, namely BoyGenius becuase he can not make up the result to ruin his fame.

Honestly speaking, I do not believe the result leaked by Hank Moore. There are possibilities that the twitter is not his official twitter or his twitter is hacked others to announce fake results, I am not sure.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:13pm


Mat R

It said access denied

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:15pm


Elle Dee

Yea last year Pat Benatar and Judas Priest were access denied rather than 404s or redirects at this time.

I will note currently MC5 redirects to 2020 and Beck is also Access Denied

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:18pm


Mat R,

I clocked that earlier, but I also checked a bunch of other prior nominees (Dionne, Fela, Mary J, a couple others), and all are giving the 403 message.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:18pm


RG

Perhaps they've grown wise to us

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:21pm


Mat R,

the link for devo is also access denied. (https://www.rockhall.com/2021-nominee-devo)

Hence, we can not make sure Chaka Khan is inducted.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:25pm


Mat R

When I typed the URL with Soundgarden, it redirected me to the class of 2020 page

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:25pm


They have definitely figured us out lol

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:31pm


Mat R

I checked Kate Bush and access denied as well

https://www.rockhall.com/2021-nominee-kate-bush

I guess we have to wait at 8AM for the big reveal

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:35pm


Generally speaking, although it seems absurd, the information by Hank Moore is more reliable than the information by previous three "insiders". Because only he is not anonymous.

I will not be surprised that his result is also fake with the reasons I have said before.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:36pm


It is also possible that Hank Moore is just guessing like us users with no leaked information.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:40pm


Like hell. Imma keep trying right up til the reveal lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 23:41pm


Yeah, even though Hank Moore is not anonymous, the one thing that's giving me pause about me believing it is that I find it hard to believe that he has early access. Like I get Troy L. Smith because he's a journalist and has covered the Hall for many years.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 00:17am


What I find curious? Why would Hank Moore leak the "list", knowing this would get him expelled? The man has been a part of the voting since Day One?

Posted by ben on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 00:18am


Also worth noting he made the tweet like a full day a head of time and no one has noticed. It got 2 likes (one of which was him) and 184 views. I feel if it was credible someone (eg Troy Smith) would have commented on it cause it suggests 8 inductees and basically out the whole class

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 00:31am


If the main performers are safe but there are some interesting or unexpected inductions in side category. It can also fits the definition of diversity.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 00:54am


Ben

Exactly. The problem I have with Hank Moore is why would the Hall tell him this? Last I checked, Hank Moore is not a journalist, but more of an author on pop culture. And like I said, people like Troy L. Smith makes sense that they have early access because they're journalists, and they have to prepare to write an article during the time of the official announcement.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 01:05am


Q if both Cyndi and George make it anyone else thinking the 80s are kinda done. Like it's really just weird al, billy idol and Bryan Adams left and then it's just kind of nothing in the MTV pop/rock icon realm. Who else is there before you get into double inductees?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 01:05am


And I'll say this one again:

The way FRL tweeted a meme saying "let's get ready to mad online" suggests that not only it will anger the rockists crowd, but it also indicate that it one of the two Top 5 fan vote winners (specifically Cyndi Lauper and George Michael) might not be on the final list and it will anger one of their respective fans.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 01:08am


Mat r,

Mainly the new wave darlings. Maybe some outliers like richard Marx, culture club, sade, even Paula abdul or the bangles. You have a point, but they've saturated the 80s so much while skipping the richer 70s, they might dredge up some more obscure acts. Personally, I'd like to see a couple of years of heavy 70s and 90s classes to catch things up, but the hall likely will go overboard on the 90s and try to set the stage for the incoming 2000s acts. Sadly, I think it'll be largely 90s for awhile exclusively

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 02:44am


I am the original Ben that's been on here 8 years. There is Now another Ben. I have NO idea who Hank Moore is. But I do know who all the Past inductees are and some old Journalists like Robert Christgeau. I am NOT changing my Predictions officially BUT I am going to say as an honorable thing the Spinners could pull a trick and be a Main Performer NOT early influence
I do Not fall for these false leaks and false Ballots. I will say the most likely inductees are Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon and George Michael. BUT Cyndi Lauper could slip in and the Spinners could end up as Performer. I am NOT reposting my predictions list. Let's do this. Lets get to the announcement. See you on the Inductee forum

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 03:30am


If George Michael doesn't get in, this would be the first class since 2013 where nobody has a diamond album.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 04:38am


Darren Hines' prediction from two hours ago:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Willie Nelson
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Early Influence - The Spinners

Has A Chance:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 05:15am


Wild that with the "rawk lovers will hate this" comment from someone who knows who is in and Zevon potentially being confirmed we might be at the point where if JD/NO don't get a surprise sneak entrance in we might definitely have the first performers class ever to be all solo artists, and only 6 people overall inducted to the hall in the performers category

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 05:22am


I sure hope Darren Hines is right, because those are 100% my choices. Iron Maiden, Soundgarden, A Tribe Called Quest and Rage Against the Machine would also be worthy, but to be frank, I'll be bummed if Cyndi Lauper, Sheryl Crow and the Spinners get in, since this has been such a strong ballot.

Posted by Corey Finn on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 05:23am


With hours way from the big reveal, I still stick with the safe six men class. The diversity may be reflected in side doors. I appreciate to talk with you all and learn a lot about the rock hall. See you in inductees section.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 05:51am


Based on the forecasting history of Darren Hines from 2019, I think most likely he will get 5/7 or 6/7 right.

He predicted 5/6 in 2019, 4/6 in 2020, 5/6 in 2021, 7/7 in 2022 (he predicted Judas Priest as main performer and did not consider Eurythmics).

Posted by driving force on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 06:16am


Thought the Rock Hall Inductees would be announced on the Sirius XM Volume Channel at 8, but right now it's showing Eddie Trunk's show from 7-9. Anyone know if it's being announced on a different Sirius channel?

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 06:23am


Donnie

FRL just tweeted that the announcement will be revealed on Apple Music 1

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 06:33am


Anyone know when exactly the the announcement is?

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 06:37am


Is that 8am Eastern or Pacific. Not from the states and it's late over here, so would be good to clarify.

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 06:41am


It'll be 8 am ET.

But I guess I'm not listening to the announcement beings I apparently don't have an Apple Music account like I thought lol. I'll just wait for the announcement on here I guess.

Another yearly tradition down the drain.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 06:52am


Donnie,

I'm from central time, so I'm getting the announcement at 7AM

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 06:55am


The waiting is the hardest part...especially when you haven't gone to bed yet lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 06:56am


K dawg

Also the glam metal guys and maybe rnb folks but yea once you get George and Cyndi in you're left with the Billy's (forgot Squire), Adams, and weird Al on the b tier. I really have a hard time seeing them doing tier 3 MTV icons like Nina or Thomas Dolby.

They tore through the 80s in like 2 years lol

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 06:57am


Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Rage Against the Machine
The Spinners

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:03am


Wild that with the "rawk lovers will hate this" comment from someone who knows who is in and Zevon potentially being confirmed we might be at the point where if JD/NO don't get a surprise sneak entrance in we might definitely have the first performers class ever to be all solo artists, and only 6 people overall inducted to the hall in the performers category

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 05/3/2023 @ 07:59am



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