Future Rock Legends

The greatest class of inductees in at least 20 yrs...mind blown.

Posted by River on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:11am

Better lineup than I thought it would be. But not a top tier lineup. Whatever happened to Kate Bush?

Posted by Living Stone on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:11am

I hate that they backdoored Kraftwerk and LL Cool J. Hate hate hate it.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:14am

I DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY DID HERE!

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame reveals its 2021 Inductees, celebrating the most diverse list of Inductees in the history of the organization. They are:

https://www.rockhall.com/class-2021-inductees

Performer Category:

Tina Turner
Carole King
The Go-Go's
JAY-Z
Foo Fighters
Todd Rundgren

Early Influence Award:

Kraftwerk
Charley Patton
Gil Scott-Heron

Musical Excellence Award:

LL Cool J
Billy Preston
Randy Rhoads

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Clarence Avant

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:16am

Bruh wtf is this class?

LL Cool J and Kraftwerk in the wrong categories?!

K-Dawg they f*cked up this year.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:18am

What a bittersweet result.

A great class overall but the disrespectful backdoor inductions really leave a bitter sting.

Kraftwerk and LL being done dirty like this is such a slap in the face!
Honestly, if they'd only waited till after Eminem was inducted, LL probably would have easily gotten in.

I REALLY hate what they've done with these categories. Even Gil Scott-Heron deserved a main performer induction. And now the pre-rock and roll era won't get a fair look in.

The only upside is that I hope they use the side categories more often but not like this!

Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:24am

Tina Turner, Jay-Z, Go-Go's, Carole King, and Foo Fighters getting in were a lock. But Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, and Gil Scott-Heron getting in through the backdoor? That doesn't sit well for me.

Posted by Garrick on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:25am

Well, my performer predictions were dead on.

They made some CHOICES with the special categories.

In all, I'm very happy with this class and that they're finally starting to break the backlog, but man are those side categories starting to get convoluted. I'll have more to say this evening when I have more time to write.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:26am

Thrilled for Todd Rundgren and the Go-Go's. Happy to see Billy Preston and Gil Scott Heron get recognition. Miffed at Kraftwerk and LL not getting full performer recognition. Next year for Dionne and Iron Maiden, someday for Pat Benatar and Foreigner...

Posted by Paul Battman on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:32am

Thrilled for Todd Rundgren and the Go-Go's. Happy to see Billy Preston and Gil Scott Heron get recognition. Miffed at Kraftwerk and LL not getting full performer recognition. Next year for Dionne and Iron Maiden, someday for Pat Benatar and Foreigner...

Posted by Paul Battman on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:32am

This is a great class of Inductees. I was dead on with 5 in my predictions. I did Not predict Todd Rundgren. He makes sense. He has a long career. I was wrong with Iron Maiden and New York Dolls. I guess those were going too far. I was rooting for Iron Maiden to the end. Heavy Metal is rough with Voters. After all the Voters include old guys like Sir Paul McCartney, Pete Townsend, Elton John, Rod Stewart and Robert Cristgau the critic. He is an older critical critic.
I am very happy with this class. I'll have to absorb it by this evening. I will have more time at that time. I'll definitely have more to say

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:41am

The only real problem here is LL Cool J in the Musical Excellence. If they wanted to get him in the backdoor to break up the backlog, it would've made more sense to inductee him as an influence or switch him and Rundgren, putting LL in the performers category and Rundgren in the Musical Excellence category.

But whatever, I'll take what I can get.

Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:43am

Still no Wolfman Jack

Posted by EricP on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:49am

Since they expanded the early influence category to include rock era acts they might change the name of the category to pioneers or something like that.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:49am

I might to say they might as well change the name of the early influence category to pioneers.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 07:53am

I meant to say they might as well change the name of early Influence to pioneers.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 08:01am

I'm so happy to see that Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and Tina Turner all get in this year, All of them have paved their dues and now they're finally members of the Rock Hall.

Now, With all of these acts in, Which acts have the biggest beneficiary of those acts getting in this year for next year's nominations?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 08:02am

Too bad their moment will be a commercial failure. Nobody watches award/induction ceremonies anymore cause they hate the general public and treat them like sh*t. That's anti-consumerism at it's worst. Every watcher on this site needs to boycott!

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 08:06am

As for acts that I think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year, I think that The Go-Go's open the door for the return of Pat Benatar and Eurythmics as well as Cyndi Lauper, Carole King opens the door for Carly Simon, Todd Rundgren opens the door for Warren Zevon and Harry Nilsson, Jay-Z and LL Cool J open the door for Eminem and OutKast and Tina Turner opens the door for Cher and Mariah Carey.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 08:26am

My initial thoughts...

Pros:
The Performer Slate: I got it exactly right, at least in terms of the artists picked as Performers (whiffed on the one I thought would be backdoored). Not the slate I would have picked if given my druthers (I'd have swapped out Carole King for Dionne Warwick, Devo over Rundgren, and I was always rooting for LL Cool J over Jay-Z), but this is a solid lineup that covers as many bases as this diverse lineup of nominees allowed.

The expanded use of the side categories: I don't agree with everything done with them this year, but the Hall has ignored their options to open up the inductees by using the Musical Excellence Award, Early Influences, and Ahmet Ertegun Award for too long. The fact that they're not using the awards to reward members of the board is an added bonus.

Cons:
No Fela Kuti: Really thought he would get in this year, particularly with the conversations about International coverage for the Hall moving forward. Yes, they did get a non-English language act in this year (and I'm not super excited about their choice, as I'll advise below), but Fela is exactly the kind of artist that could be easily honored in the side categories, if not as a performer. The fact he was slighted is odd, considering who did get backdoored.

No women in the side categories: Given the push for women in the main performer categories, the fact that none of the artists inducted as Sidemen or Musical Excellence are women seems like a mistake. The Hall could have easily slotted Big Mama Thorton over Charley Patton, or Carol Kaye over Randy Rhodes (who entirely feels like a bone tossed to metal fans, to smooth over the heavier Performers getting spanked in the voting two years running). Those are just two suggestions that would have helped broaden the diversity of a slate that's already more diverse than any for the Hall in recent memory.

Kraftwerk and Gil Scott-Heron being backdoored: A small complaint on these, as they are artists I wanted to see get in as Performers for many years. The fact that Kraftwerk has struggled for years was a problem, but given both Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode got in last year seemed to think their chances were much stronger than ever before. Scott-Heron never having been nominated makes his induction as an Influence more understandable, although he could have slotted in a while back, during the period when the Hall caught up with singer-songwriters. Happy to see them both get in, but wish it could have been done in a different way.

LL Cool J getting backdoored: This is the most glaring mistake I can point to this year, and I say this as someone who wanted him inducted this year. LL Cool J seems to have struggled in the voting every year, but he still had a good shot at getting in depending on whether he had the hip-hop vote to himself. If they really wanted to get some rap in via the side category, why not focus on Kool Herc or maybe Africa Bambaataa (although I understand why he may not be getting a nod again anytime soon). If they were going to backdoor one of the Performer nominees, then Fela Kuti or, if he hadn't been inducted, Todd Rundgren would have made a lot more sense. And if they're this okay with stretching the categories to get in some glaring ommissions, then why not use the slot to finally get Chaka Khan in this year. Regardless of what people have said about the Hall and representation, the fact is hip hop hasn't done badly for itself as a genre; meanwhile, R&B/Funk/Soul has struggled for years to get traction with nominees, let alone inductees. Putting Chaka in this slot would add another woman being represented this year, and more importantly potentially free up a slot next year for a more diverse selection of R&B, Funk or Soul artists to be nominated.

Anyway, I still need to say I like this year's slate, despite my misgivings on how some of them are getting in. This bodes well for the next few years' worth of inductees.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 09:01am

Congrats to the 2021 Inductees for this cycle. I'm glad LL Cool J and Kraftwerk have been inducted. I think each has been nominated 5 or 6 times. It's a way of putting the RRHOF voters on notice. They need to Induct the Legends or Pioneers in music. If they won't, the Hall will. My guess Chaka Khan will be next.
Great to see The Go-Go's and Tina Turner inducted. That's more women in the RRHOF people wanted to see. There should be no arguments on this class. You have diverse artists musically as well as more Afican-American and women artists. LL Cool J was a smart choice. He could be 1 of the Headliners or they could do some cool raps with Jay-Z and LL Cool J. My only regret is the backlog in metal with Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. I guess Ozzy Solo Induction is a way off. They could have just inducted Rhoads with him then. Todd Rundgren should be very interesting his Induction. We have seen plenty of artists not impressed by the RRHOF. Sometimes, the flood of emotion just gets you though. The artist think about his 1st guitar, his 1st real gig, all the ups and downs. It's in essence this person's life for 30 or 40 years. Probably the big losers are DEVO and Rage. This being held in Cleveland...Having DEVO an Ohio band inducted had to be tempting. The votes probably just weren't there. Another year passes without Rage Against The Machine inducted. There's probably some voters that don't see them as a Rock HOF band. Foo Fighters induction means Grohl Induction x2. He's becoming 1 of the most respected man in Rock. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 09:05am

LL Cool J and Kraftwerk will be full fledged members of the Hall. Better to make it in this way than not at all. Pat Benatar and the Spinners long overdue. The Guess Who, Jetro Tull, Chubby Checker, and Judas Priest as well.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 09:32am

So I was just about to provide my insights on this class when I read Ian's post. He pretty much summed up exactly how I feel about what the Hall decided to do, particularly in regards to LL Cool J. I feel pretty confident he would've gotten in on his own merits eventually, perhaps in a year when he didn't face competition from other rap artists. ME should be reserved for those who's contributions to music as a whole outweigh their individual careers, i.e. Nile Rodgers and Ringo Starr. That's why Chaka Khan would've been a perfect choice for that spot instead of LL.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 09:34am

If I'm reading it right, the inductees are exactly who I picked.

If Todd was influence and Kraftwerk was the performer, I'd like this list a bit more. As it is, glad we are getting a little diversity, but from a genre standpoint, this is pushing more individuals in well-represented categories into a Hall backlogged to the gills with unaccounted for subsections of rock and roll

Small win, but fail on the larger scale...

And if they now think this will make Kraftwerk be forgotten about, I hope they have Autobahn playing in their brains nonstop for the next 8 months or so until the next cycle comes up and they nominate them in earnest and INDUCT them as performers.

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 09:38am

Lack of Iron Maiden aside, it's a pretty okay class all things considered. I thought they're going to backdoor Todd Rundgren, so I'm glad he got in. The only real joke is listing Kraftwerk as an "Early Influence". C'mon man, it should be someone before or at the age of Rock and Roll.

Posted by Chris on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 09:39am

An updated list of the most certified bands in America who are not in the Hall of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors Like with the inclusion of albums, EP's, standard singles, digital singles, ringtones, and video albums. Foo Fighters arw now off the list.

Maroon 5- 90 Million


Linkin Park- 63.6 Million


Florida Georgia Line- 54 Million


Twenty One Pilots- 53 Million


Alabama- 46.8 Million


Foreigner- 45.5 Million


Panic! At The Disco- 41 Million


The Chicks- 40.8 Million

Train- 40.5 Million 


Coldplay- 37.6 Million


Rascal Flatts- 34.7 Million


Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million


Fall Out Boy- 33 Million


Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million


Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million


Boston- 31 Million


Imagine Dragons- 30 Million


The Carpenters- 29.6 Million


Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million 


Nickelback- 27.8 Million


Motley Crue- 26.8 Million


REO Speedwagon- 26 Million


Creed- 26 Million


3 Doors Down- 25.8 Million


Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million


OneRepublic- 24 Million

Paramore- 23.55 Million


Sade- 23.5 Million

Dan + Shay- 23.5 Million


Kansas- 23 Million


Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million

The Fray- 22.5 Million

No Doubt- 22.1 Million



Fun- 22 Million


Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million


Daughtry- 20 Million


Three Days Grace- 20 Million


Casting Crowns- 18.5 Million


The Monkees- 18 Million


Shinedown- 17.55 Million


Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million


Styx- 17.5 Million


Korn- 17.25 Million


Limp Bizkit- 17 Million


Bad Company- 16.65 Million


Disturbed- 16.5 Million


Breaking Benjamin- 16.5 Million


Sugarland- 16 Million


INXS- 16 Million


Wings- 16 Million


Poison- 15.750 Million


Toto- 15.5 Million


Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million


The Offspring- 15 Million


The Cranberries- 15 Million


Foster the People- 15 Million


Evanescence- 15 Million


The Band Perry- 14.5 Million


Duran Duran- 14 Million


Skillet- 14 Million


My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million

MercyMe- 13.6 Million

Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million

Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million

Counting Crows- 13 Million

Tool- 12.7 Million

Whitesnake- 12.650 Million


The Killers- 12.6 Million

Avenged Sevenfold- 12.6 Million 


Old Dominion- 12.5 Million


Survivor- 12.5 Million


Blink 182- 12.1 Million


Live- 12 Million


Owl City- 12 Million


Godsmack- 11.6 Million


The Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million


Little Big Town- 11.5 Million


Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million


Savage Garden- 11.5 Million


Judas Priest- 11.1 Million


Scorpions- 11.1 Million


All American Rejects- 11.1 Million


Loverboy- 11 Million


Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million


Three Dog Night- 11 Million


X Ambassadors- 11 Million


5 Seconds of Summer- 11 Million


Slipknot- 10.7 Million


Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million


38 Special- 10.5 Million


Florence & the Machine- 10.5 Million


Bush- 10.5 Million


Muse- 10.5 Million


Men at Work- 10.5 Million


The Black Keys- 10.5 Million

The Lumineers- 10.5 Million

Theory Of A Deadman- 10.5 Million 

Staind - 10.05 Million


Sublime- 10 Million


Clean Bandit- 10 Million

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 09:50am

I got the first five right, though missed it with "if six" (I had Dionne Warwick) and "if seven" (Rage Against the Machine). But I'm still trying, like a lot of you, to figure how Kraftwerk was an early influence.

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 10:55am

(addendum to last comment) But seven women is novel, and no deceased members among the performers doesn't happen often. I'm sure it's happened before, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 10:57am

I know it's really early, but besides the obvious FYE lock/shoo-in in Eminem, who do you see being nominated for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 10:58am

Richie,
Yes. It is really early. Really early.

Still digesting everything. Busy morning at work. Several have already had great comments on today's announcement. I'll add more soon.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 11:06am

Yep it's really early to ask about 2022. Can we wait until at least after the ceremony to discuss 2022?

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 11:19am

Pontential FYE's in the future.

2022: Eminem
2023: Coldplay
2024: None for this year
2025: The White Stripes
2026: Linkin Park (Jay-Z makes a huge difference for them, especially their solid connection to the Nom Com)

2027: Beyonce (See LP)
2028: Amy Winehouse & Kanye West ( See LP and Beyoncé)

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 11:25am

I don't know what to say.

Kraftwerk, LL Cool J and Gil Scott-Heron are epic fails. Charley Patton is amazing. The Performer's class is good. Todd Rundgren is misplaced.

The best thing would be to cancel all the categories. Just inducted or not inducted, then there won't be any doubt. If there weren't any categories, this whole class would be incredible. So I'm really disappointed. Crazy.

Posted by MichaelEU on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 11:29am

With Kraftwerk finally in, Who do you guys now think is the biggest snub of the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 11:33am

I at least get where they're coming from with Kraftwerk and GSH, even if I don't agree. LL Cool J as a Musical Excellence award is just nonsense, but if it gets him a spot in the ceremony then I guess I'll take it. Hope he gets to perform.

Love how such a big deal was made about how Carole King being put in through a side category 30 years ago was a huge mistake that needed to be corrected, but then they immediately put a bunch of deserving performers in through side categories. Really clears up the convolution of how your organization works, guys.

Category fraud aside though, as a class of 13, this is easily one of the best classes of all time.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 11:44am

richie, that's easy

The biggest snub is... KRAFTWERK.

They are not in. They got a token award. It's like they aren't considered worthy performers of the full enshrinement and that is utter garbage. Until they are nominated and inducted in proper fashion, this is a joke.

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 12:17pm

I told you guys it was happening! Early Influence Kraftwerk is here to stay!

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 12:24pm

Personally I'm fine with them using Musical Excellence as a back door to get in acts that the nominating committee is really invested in but the main voters don't go for; but only if they also start automatically letting the winner of the fan vote in. The nominating committee has become much more strategic and interesting and unpredictable than the main voting block; so I'm fine empowering them in their attempts to "fix" historical blind spots within the Hall's honorees. But balance that with a nod toward also appeasing the populist needs of the Hall. If the fan vote actually mattered, it would wipe away Athena single biggest criticism of the Hall's induction process.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 12:31pm

Early Influence Kraftwerk does make sense in a way. Their music has little to do with RNR in a bubble, much like John Coltrane.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 12:43pm

And with Todd in, the Fan Vote Club is now 6 members strong.

Tina Turner winning the fan vote adds credibility to it, but Fela really should have been inducted one way or another.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 12:50pm

@ Richie

The biggest snub of all time is Motley Crue cause they have the biggest demand from the masses. Those who are against them for induction simply because of their behavior like the Nom Com, EDS, KXB, and Alex are woke idiots who have no knowledge in business because they're brainwashed by communist dictators who only cared making themselves "feel good" and being selfish turds. That's why the current state of the Hall of Acts Hipster, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors is a joke. Political Correctness ruins everything when most things should be largely apolitical. Motley needs to be nominated and inducted as a force inclusion in the future.

Get woke, become a joke, go broke! The newest class will be another commercial failure.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 13:00pm

And with that, I'm officially leaving the FRL community for good. The Hall had made HORRIBLE business decisions in recent years by ruining the RIGGED kiosk and the RIGGED fan ballot. What's next, the Orwellian vaccine hate keeping? Oh, that's gonna fail even more! The so-called "amusement attraction" is now a junkyard wasteland failure that'll never get the attention from the masses like it before, and I'll instead be watching on theme parks. At least those places care about consumerism and customer service (expect Disney).

I'm looking forward to see the Hall go bankrupt and shut down out of misery.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 13:23pm

What makes you so sure this class will fail?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 13:39pm

For inductors I have a feeling that they tag Common or Kendrick Lamar to induct Gil Scott-Heron; but who they *should* get is Michael Franti. Franti was in Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprosy before forming Spearhead. Listen to their song "Television, Drug Of A Nation"; it's basically a topical 90s descendant "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised".

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 13:42pm

LL Cool J talk from John Skykes:

Is it fair to say that if LL had been voted in as a performer – he was nominated again this year – he wouldn't be receiving the award for musical excellence?

LL has been nominated [as a performer] six times. That [award for musical excellence] special committee includes Darryl McDaniels, who is part of Run-D.M.C., which is in the Hall of Fame [class of 2009]. He felt strongly it was time to recognize the incredible contributions of LL Cool J. Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine is also on that committee. It was unanimous that LL should be inducted.

(He mentioned earlier in the interview that groups of 7 were put together for the side categories.)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 13:50pm

I give the 2021 class a B. Almost everyone I was predicting got in except Blige and Fela, which is disappointing, but the others made up for it. Kraftwerk was a great surprise. More post punk. The only ones missing from my list are New York Dolls and Iron Maiden.

It seems the EI category isn't what it used to be. Formerly a delta blues, bluegrass, etc category. It is now a miscellaneous category artists deemed notably influential.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 14:04pm

Also, I'm so glad Skykes made it so people who haven't voted in two years get their voting privilege revoked! When was the last time Jerry Lee Lewis or Don Everly or Smokey Robinson or Mike Stroller voted?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 14:07pm

K Dawg,

If anything, I think the big takeaway from Kraftwerk & LL getting in through the side categories is that from here on out, we should probably just consider these other categories to be full inductions, since they've basically just become a platform where the nominating committee can push through any artist they want without going through the voting body. It's perplexing, but at least we can honor them this year, which is more than we had hoped for.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 14:11pm

LL Cool J being in music Excellency and kraftwerk being an early influencer instead of being in the performers category is extremely disappointing

Posted by Frank on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 14:19pm

The side categories are now essentially the "Voting Committee Can't Do Their Job" Award. The shame here is on the voters not the very deserving and qualified artists.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 14:22pm

Some of the artists now that are 50 years or older are going to be put on the "voting committee's" awards now. New York Dolls and Judas Priest fans should worry! This does give an urgency to some acts even more now from this 51 years old limit. John Skyes knows what's up, but man he just destroyed what these side categories are suppose to mean….

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 14:29pm

With Pervis Staples now dead and a new class, here's an update on the living/dead members of classes!

1986-2009 and 2012

1986: 2/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis and Don Everly)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 9/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Charlie Watts, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 23/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Calvin Simon, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Mavis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 10/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2007: 16/19 (Everyone but Cowboy, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen are alive.)
2008: 7/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Don Wilson, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 13 or 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson. It is unknown if Glouster "Nat" Rogers is alive or dead.)
2012: 30 or 31/70 (Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Joey Ambrose, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Norman Thrasher, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, all seven members in Guns N Roses, every Chili Pepper other than Hillel Slovak [7 members], Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, and Glyn Johns. It is unknown if Charles Sutton is alive or dead.)

And from 2010 and onward, the dead members will be listed, aside from 2012:

2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 20/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 17/22 (Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 14:45pm

Here is the list of those now eligible for that "voting committee" awards (they have to be 51 years or older):

Love
Dick Dale
Peter, Paul, and Mary
Steppenwolf
Captain Beefheart
Silver Apples
Link Wray
The Carpenters
Can
Connie Francis
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Gram Parsons
The Guess Who
Harry Nilsson
Jan and Dean
Jethro Tull
Jim Croce
Johnny Burnette and the Rock N' Roll Trio
King Crimson
Kool and the Gang
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
MC5
The Monkees
Nick Drake
Procol Harum
Scott Walker
The Sonics
Thin Lizzy
Three Dog Night
Tommy James and the Shondells
Toots and the Maytals
Warren Zevon

This is gonna be interesting….

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 14:49pm

This is from our snub list.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 14:52pm

Forgot The Spinners too..

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 14:58pm

Do we ever find out how well the other nominees did? I'm willing to guess that Iron Maiden got in last place.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 16:22pm

A while back I listed some of the non-straight Hall of Famers. Isn't at least one of The Go-Go's non-straight?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 17:31pm

So, does anybody want to talk about how the hell they're planning on turning this list into a ceremony? Like, do you give LL Cool J and Kraftwerk the same amount of focus and time as the performer inductees? They absolutely should, because they are both currently active performers that are only in their categories as a workaround for the fact that the voting body won't vote for them.

But then how do you fit eight full inductions, plus at the very least video packages for the other five artists, if not tribute performances, into a three hour max ceremony that is also planned to be a live broadcast. I'm so curious to see how the format of this thing changes.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 17:40pm

Follower,

Jane Wiedlin is bi, and also from this years class, Billy Preston was gay.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 17:46pm

RG,

https://twitter.com/futurerocklgnds/status/1392452288892051463

The 2021 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will be taped in Cleveland in front of a live crowd on October 30th, and aired later on HBO and HBO Max.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 17:54pm

Richie,

ah, my mistake, I thought they were sticking with the live broadcast like originally intended for last year

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 18:16pm

Overall, the class of 2021 is solid. I'm happy for Foo Fighters and Tina Turner.

I feel that the hall of fame made a huge mistake with LL Cool J. LL was a huge part of the rise of hip hop in the 80's and was just as big as artist like Run DMC, Beastie Boys and Public Enemy. He had a strong catalog of music and is also a MTV video vanguard recipient. LL cool J should have been inducted as a performer and not for musical excellence. If you want to award hip hop in the musical excellence category, then artist like Ice-T and De La Soul would make more sense compared to LL Cool J. Does this mean that Dr. Dre gets in as a musical excellence now?

It would have made more sense to have Todd Rundgren as a musical excellence recipient because he was in a band, he had a solo career, and he was a producer and his work includes meat loaf's bat of out hell.

I feel that hall should have switched around LL Cool J and Rundgren.

Looking ahead to 2022, Eminem will most likely be a shoo-in.

Other artist that I hope to see on the ballot include soundgarden, rage against the machine, Dave Matthews Band, Duran Duran, Devo, INXS, Warren Zevon, Foreigner, Bad Company, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Pat Benatar among others.

Posted by Kyle on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 18:30pm

Why are they inducting people who were not on the ballot?

Posted by Chris on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 18:48pm

RG and Plebeian,

I know it's really early, but besides the obvious FYE lock/shoo-in in Eminem, who do you see being nominated for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 18:52pm

RG and Plebeian,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2021 next year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 18:52pm

KING 2022 Early RRHOF Nominees. I'll have to change my earlier post as LL Cool J and The Go-Go's have been Inducted.
1. Bryan Adams
2. Iron Maiden
3. The Pointer Sisters
4. Procol Harum
5. Alice In Chains
6. Kool & The Gang
7. Smashing Pumpkins
8. Scorpions
9. The Eurythmics
10. Eminem
11. Duran Duran
12. Los Lobos
13. Megadeth
14. WAR
15. Steve Winwood
16. Judas Priest
17. Mariah Carey
18. Foreigner
19. X
20. Dave Matthews Band
Musical Excellence: Chaka Khan & The Silver Bullet Band
Early Influence: Procol Harum & Link Wray.

Procol Harum probably will be a good candidate for Early Influence or Musical Excellence. They probably won't receive enough votes but Pioneers in Progressive rock. Deserving! Chaka definitely next year in some form or fashion. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 19:27pm

Maybe they'll try The Smiths again? I don't know, it's too early.

I just want to know who the inductors are and who all will show up! As a side note, has there ever been a class where every Performer is alive besides this one?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 19:29pm

Let's pretend that next year the following artists are inducted:

B-52's
Carpenters
Eurythmics
Sonic Youth
Rufus w/Chaka Khan

What would the headline be?
1) Women Rule Rock Hall Inductees!
or
2) Only 6 out of 19 2022 Rock Hall Inductees Are Women

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 19:40pm

It's a shame that Neil Peart is not alive to "induct" the Foo Fighters in return.

Posted by Chris on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 20:24pm

*"indict" (based from his acceptance speech; autocorrect is to blame here)

Posted by Chris on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 20:25pm

Well Neal Peart never showed up. If they want to do that, they can either get Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson or Brain May and Roger Taylor.

In addition, Grandmaster Flash could induct Jay-Z, but that speech was awful.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 20:30pm

Hi fellow posters:

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2021 is unique for several reasons. I think that after a year which saw the 2020 ceremony upended by what we all know to have been social and health issues, in addition to having a plethora of deceased inductees: the RRHOF needed a shot in the arm to regain credibility. Fortunately for us, we at Future Rock Legends continued with our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project and are in the midst of selecting nominees for our newer class to be announced this fall. Indeed, the artist that got the most votes for our recent Revisited/Projected inductee class, Tina Turner, was able to get inducted into the actual RRHOF in yet another sign of this website correcting an oversight and the actual institution swiftly doing the same.

I am pleased to see that the number of inductees as either artists and/or bands, 13, correlates with the amount of inductees we elect each year into the Revisited/Projected ballots. In addition, it appears the John Sykes era might be willing to expand upon the ideals of who could go in and what is considered to be a unique art form. Diversity is also important this year: a majority of the inductees are not white men. This is quite important, and should be a sign of things to come. With that in mind, here are my opinions on who has gotten inducted this year.

Tina Turner: once we inducted her into the Revisited/projected project last year, it was only inevitable that Tina Turner would be given a long awaited fast track towards induction into the Rock Hall. This should have happened years ago. I am glad Ms. Turner is alive to see this.

Carole King: It took a bit longer, yet this oversight has now been corrected. 50 years since Tapestry, and finally granted an induction as a performer, Carole King is well deserved.

The Go-Go's: at last, an all-female band is inducted! And by all means, the most important all-female band (outside of Joan Jett/The Runaways). Hopefully this will allow other all-female bands to go in as time goes on. I think Sleater-Kinney is eligible in one or two years and are next on the queue.

Jay-Z: he was always going to go in right off the bat. Indeed, Jay-Z along with others like Beyonce and Kanye West might just be the most influential American music artist over the past 20 years or so. Both in production, songcraft, business acumen and messaging.

Foo Fighters: While I also hope that Pat Smear one day gets inducted on his own accord, one of the most dependable and consistent rock acts of recent memory are now in. It is fantastic to see these guys go in and still be kicking it when others are starting to fade.

Todd Rundgren: Simply stated, Todd Rundgren is one of the most versatile and innovative people in music. The amount of songs and creations he has done as an artist alone is worth the induction. For myself, this is yet another artist inducted that I had advocated for in one form or another for years.

LL Cool J: I will say it is a bit odd to put Mr. Smith in the Award for Musical Excellence category. I do wonder if some of this might be due to his equal profile as a noted actor and tv presenter. Even so, LL Cool J is in. And that is good to know.

Kraftwerk: I honestly was surprised to see them inducted. And under the Early Influence category. Yet I supposed I and others called it. In many respects, the RRHOF was in a bind as to how and when to induct Kraftwerk. And after Florian Schneider passed away, there was no excuse to delay an induction. Will be interesting to see if Ralf Hutter, Karl Bartos and/or Wolfgang Flur show up.

Gill-Scott Heron: This should have happened while he was alive. Even so, an oversight in the development of hip-hop and rap has been corrected.

Billy Preston: Once again, it would have been nice to see him go in while still alive. Yet Billy Preston going in is a pleasant surprise and well deserved.

Randy Rhoads: Yet another artist that should have gone in while alive. Randy Rhoads was certainly do highly influential in the metal and hard rock genres and how the guitar is reflective of rock music. Perhaps Rhoads' induction will pave the way for Ozzy Osbourne to get inducted.

Charlie Patton: Well, I didn't expect this Delta Blues pioneer to go in. Charlie Patton though is well deserved. Perhaps this will prompt us at FRL to induct him into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project this year.

Clarence Avant: I must say I am not entirely familiar with this important African-American manager and businessman. Having taken a look at his biographical info and interviews, I do think Clarence Avant is uniquely deserving.

So this is a very good and impressive class of inductees. And I think the 2021 class can be a harbinger of future inductee classes. Both in the influence FRL and Revisited/Projected have brought forth and in just who might get inducted and how. This certainly now changes the meaning of Musical Excellence and Influences. And now the possibilities of correcting oversights are endless.

Might have more to say later,

Lax38

Posted by Lax38 on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 21:04pm

Besides the mess with the special categories, this is the best class we had in years. Most of these inductees this year are combination of both critical and commercial success.

And unlike a certain *SOMEONE* who wants to claim that the Hall is failing because a certain band that rhymes with "Botley Drew" is not inducted, this is a step towards the right direction and I hope they induct more women and POC into the Hall.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 21:51pm

Don't forget about about the group that rhymes with "Rave Cashews Manned" and complaining that the fan vote doesn't count when 3/6 of the inductees were in the top 5 including the winner. (And Todd was in the top 5 in the 2019 poll)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 22:41pm

This is probably the biggest RRHOF class in it's history besides the first two classes & 2012. It features all four categories & it's really diverse. I'm so glad that Kraftwerk got inducted finally after a long time & it's really awesome that they got inducted the same time as Tina Turner, Foo Fighters, Jay - Z, The Go - Go's & the rest. With that said i'll predict the presenters for this year's class. I'll do additional guests at my other post.

Performers:
Foo Fighters presented by Jimmy Page or Josh Homme
The Go - Go's presented by Kathleen Hanna
Jay - Z presented by J. Cole
Carole King presented by James Taylor
Todd Rundgren presented by Daryl Hall or Kevin Parker
Tina Turner presented by Beyonce or Mick Jagger

Early Influence:
Kraftwerk presented by Brian Eno or Bono & The Edge
Gil Scott - Heron presented by Common or Drake
Charley Patton presented by Keith Richards or Gary Clark Jr.

Musical Excellence:
LL Cool J presented by Chuck D
Billy Preston presented by Paul McCartney or Eric Clapton
Randy Rhoads presented by Tom Morello or Ozzy Osbourne

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Clarence Avant presented by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 22:52pm

Since I didn't get a answer, I decided to do a revision of my tier list of all the Rock Hall Inductees. Remember every person currently as a performer. I look at influence, cultural impact, discography, and innovation. All is subjective! Here is my rankings!

Criteria:
S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Great/Good
C-Average
D-Below Average

1986:
Chuck Berry-S
James Brown and the Famous Flames-S
Little Richard-S
Ray Charles-S
Elvis Presley-S
Sam Cooke-S
Buddy and the Crickets-S
Jerry Lee Lewis-A* (originally an S, I think I overestimated his discography)
Fats Domino-A
The Everly Brothers-A

1987:
Aretha Franklin-S
Muddy Waters-S
Marvin Gaye-S (Paved the future for R & B by mixing funk elements and sexiness in the genre)
Roy Orbison-S (Created the lonesome dove archetype of the Rock Persona and the Rock and Roll comeback boom of the 80s)
Bo Diddley-S
Smokey Robinson and the Miracles-A
Jackie Wilson-A (the key in Doo Wop's transition to R & B)
Eddie Cochran-A (One of the first Rockabilly stars and mainstream rock stars in general)
Big Joe Turner-A* (Originally S, I overestimated his cultural impact)
B.B. King-A
Carl Perkins-B
Bill Haley and the Comets-B
Ricky Nelson-B
The Coasters-B
Clyde McPhatter-C

1988:
The Beatles-S
Bob Dylan-S
The Beach Boys-S
The Supremes-S (Not the first, but very much reshaped the girl group archetype.)
The Drifters-A

1989:
The Rolling Stones-S
Stevie Wonder-S
The Temptations-S (The ultimate Boy group and sometimes they surpassed their master)
Otis Redding-S (Gave way into the posthumous life of an artist; Life After Death as they say)
Dion-C

1990:
The Who-S
The Kinks-S (One of the British Invasion bands that help develop the rock pathway to punk. Also created the underrated narrative in bands to come.)
Simon and Garfunkel-S (Defined the duo dynamic in music and sooth sailing sound of the 60s)
Four Tops-A (Part of the Big Three in the Motown sound)
The Four Seasons-B
The Platters-C
Hank Ballard and the Midnighters-D (Made The Twist, but that isn't really enough and Hank was more well known for his songwriting than anything)


That is Part 1!

Expect the rest soon enough!

RG, KING, K-Dawg, Ben, Enig, Michael W., Shrek, Remy10, etc..

Your thoughts?

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 23:03pm

Forgot to mention this revision will include the new 2021 class too.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 23:05pm

Here's my predictions on additional guests on this year's class.

Trent Renzor
Ed O'Brien
Brian May & Roger Taylor
Rick Astley
Billie Joe Armstrong
Bernard Sumner
Gary Numan
Ringo Starr
Sara Bareilles
Paul Gilbert
Zakk Wylde
Geddy Lee & Alex Lifeson
John Mayer
Quincy Jones
Kanye West
Josh Homme

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 23:15pm

>> Randy Rhoads: Yet another artist that should have gone in while alive.

????

That would have been hard to pull off given he died before he was eligible for induction; and before there even was a Rock Hall to be inducted into.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 23:15pm

Fun fact: Pat Smear of Foo Fighters and Belinda Carlisle of the Go-Go's were once part of a punk band known as the Germs in the late '70s. The fact that they'll share the same induction year kind of perfectly reunites the two for their shared devotion of music.

Posted by Brasssection on Wednesday, 05/12/2021 @ 23:47pm

Everybody is saying Kraftwerk (and LL Cool J) are now inducted. Since when does early influence, or any other award except going through the actual committee, make one a RRHOFer? Have we not had performers in the past slid in sideways that have come up for consideration in the traditional way? Or is this now going to be recognition of the same type as the aforementioned committee selection?

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 02:10am

K Dawg,

Let John Skykes answer that:

"There are different ways to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It's the same plaque on the wall. The fan walks into Cleveland and looks at that wall – it's the same exact honor. It's the same exact statue that the performer gets. Every single one of these inductees has been vetted and discussed and unanimously supported to go into the Hall of Fame."

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 02:20am

Ok. Here are some more thoughts on this New 2021 Class for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I want to say Congrats to the 2021 Inductees for this cycle. I'm glad LL Cool J and Kraftwerk have been inducted. I think each has been nominated 5 or 6 times. What confuses me is what the hell happened to the original meaning of Early influence. It was only a few years ago that the Five Royales were inducted as an early influence. And it's rather recently that Sister Rosetta Tharpe was inducted as Early influence. Perhaps what I missed is that the rules of Early influence changed overnight or last year. John Sykes seems to have changed Early influence. I admit that Early influence was always acts that I never heard of because they are too old for me. They were from my Dad's time. But Hey I can understand changing the rule for this category. It has allowed Kraftwerk to be inducted. I think that Early influence is simply expanded to be 50 years or more. I see Charley Patton is also inducted under Early I. He is certainly a very old act. He is a blues guy of the early 20th Century. It's also due to the passage of time that Early I is expanded.1971 is now 50 years ago. Any of you guys could chime in with this.
Great to see The Go-Go's and Tina Turner inducted. That's more women in the RRHOF. People wanted to see that. There should be no arguments on this class. It is musically diverse as well as more Afican-American and women artists. LL Cool J was a smart choice. He could be 1 of the Headliners or they could do some cool raps with Jay-Z and LL Cool J. My only regret like others is the backlog in metal with Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. An Ozzy Solo Induction is a way off. Randy Rhoades Todd Rundgren should be very interesting his Induction. We have seen plenty of artists not impressed by the RRHOF. Sometimes, the flood of emotion just gets you though. . There should be no arguments on this class. You have diverse artists musically as well as more Afican-American and women artists. LL Cool J was a smart choice. I don't think he will be a headliner but they could have LL dosome some cool raps with Jay-Z. My only regret is the backlog in metal with Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. I guess Ozzy Solo Induction is a way off. Having Randy Rhoads is fine for the meantime. Todd Rundgren will be interesting when he gives his speech. We have seen plenty of artists not impressed by the RRHOF. But Sometimes, it gets emotional for the artist. I like a whole bunch of tunes by Todd R. It's impressive that he is inducted as a Performer. The Tina Turner induction speech will be nice to see. It would be great to see Tina give the speech herself at around 80 years old and after a few health issues. Tina Turner is great. There is No way Tina will perform though. This whole class is loaded with talent. It is certainly diverse.
If I were to guess who would headline I would say Foo Fighters. It would be similar to the way Pearl Jam headlined. I'm only guessing the Headliner right Now. I would say probably the big losers are Kate Bush, Devo and Rage Against the Machine. None of those had the votes. Rage Against the M must be a band that confuses old Voters over 65.
Also I read that one of you regular guys says that John made it so people who haven't voted in 2 years or more have their Voting privilege revoked! Jerry Lee Lewis, Don Everly. Smokey Robinson and Sam Moore I am sure have Not Voted in years, Yeah those old guys above wouldn't know who half the acts are on ballots of recent years. They probably do Not know The Cars and the Cure as examples. I look forward to all your thoughts. A bunch of you have already. Thats it for Now

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 05:02am

K-Dawg,

I guess I would use this rule of thumb: if the special category induction covers the same people and body of work that a regular induction would, it counts as full enshrinement.

This wasn't the case for Carole King since her original induction only covered her songwriting work and not her work as a solo performer. Nile Rodgers getting the AME left out the other members of Chic, and honored Nile's body of work as a producer and collaborator instead of Chic's body of work as a band.

For Kraftwerk, regardless of if they're a performer inductee or an influence inductee, the hall is still honoring the same band members for their achievement as a recording and performing group. Their reel at the ceremony is going to look exactly the same as it would have if they were inducted the regular way. The difference is just semantics. This is the case for all early influence inductees IMO, there's a reason that nobody thinks we need to get Wanda Jackson or Sister Rosetta Tharpe in again through the ballot.

LL Cool J is a weird one since the AME has never been used this way before, but he is also being honored for his achievement as a solo recording and performing artist, so as long as he doesn't get shafted with less of a ceremony slot, then I'll take it as a full induction.

In all, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, and Gil Scott-Heron are being inducted this year, I take that as an absolute win.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 07:06am

Many have already posted on this crazy class. I agree with many of the comments and won't rehash everything. But a few thoughts...

Thrilled to see Tina, Carole, Todd and The Go-Gos make it in. These are quality acts, and four that I enjoy listening to. Carole King especially is a long overdue choice. I agree that Rundgren's career is uniquely suited for Musical Excellence, but I think he rightfully belongs in the performers category.

Randy Rhoads is a great choice. Metal continues to struggle in this process, and I believe several metal bands are currently at the top of the snub list. Maybe this was just a bone thrown to the metal crowd, but I'll take it. Billy Preston is also totally unexpected, at least by me, but is a welcome pick. Don't know much about Charlie Patton but seems to be long overdue. Happy to see the "other" categories get some action.

Gil Scott-Heron, Kraftwerk (Kraftwerk!!!!???? Seriously!!!!????) and LL Cool J are in. I don't like how it was done, but I accept it. These are huge names that needed to be in, and the Powers That Be decided to put them in. It's ridiculous how often the Rock Hall ignores their own rules and procedures, but that's one reason I enjoy following them. It will be nice to clear these spaces off of future ballots. I guess going forward the hall will use these categories to induct acts that aren't getting voted in. Chaka Khan, Judas Priest and The MC5 might be next. I sure don't like it, though.

Overall a really awesome class. Somebody earlier said if there were no categories this would probably be the best class in 20 years. I kind of agree. Sorry that The New York Dolls, Kate Bush, Iron Maiden and Chaka didn't make it in. Not surprised Fela didn't make it. Looking forward to the ceremony and next year's ballot.

Two final thoughts in reply to previous posters:
1. Not sure he's still with us, but Motley Crue is not the biggest snub out there, even if you just focus on commercial acts. If you focus on all eligible acts, doubt if they hit the top 50. Just because many casual listeners don't know who Black Flag is, for example, doesn't mean they don't belong.

2. Stop assuming who votes and who doesn't. Since vote totals aren't revealed we have no idea how many eligible voters actually turn their ballots in. And don't assume that older acts have no clue what is going on in music today. I grew up in the 80s and 90s, and would be ticked off if someone assumed I have no clue about acts from the 50s and 60s.

Looking forward to reading other comments and observations in the days to come.

Posted by remy10 on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 07:30am

Hey Guys,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2021 next year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 09:49am

Category confusion aside, there is clear change in the Hall. I wonder if some 70s acts that are beyond 50 or more years old will get consideration. I would hate if the Dolls just get shafted again and when they hit beyond 51 or older be put on early influence. Heavy Metal's path to induction seems slim, but Randy Rhoads' induction gives hope they are really willingly to want Heavy Metal in. Class of performers is very…I don't know what to say..very predictable to say the least. The ceremony should make up for it.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 10:35am

I think the acts that have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2021 next year for 2022 are:

The Go-Go's = Pat Benatar
Jay-Z = Eminem
Carole King = Carly Simon
LL Cool J = OutKast
Todd Rundgren = Warren Zevon
Tina Turner = Cher

I don't know which acts would help Foo Fighters, Kraftwerk, Billy Preston and Gil Scott-Heron.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 10:52am

To continue what Richie said, Here's who will benefit from each inductee

Tina Turner = Diana Ross, Chaka Khan

Jay-Z = Kayne West (once eligible), Eminem, Beyonce (once eligible)

Carole King = Carly Simon, Roberta Flack, Neil Sedaka

Todd Rundgren = Warren Zevon, Captain Beefheart, Sparks, Meatloaf, Badfinger, New York Dolls, Grand Funk Railroad

The Go-Go's = Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Cyndi Lauper, Billy Idol

Foo Fighters = White Stripes (once eligible), Queens of the Stone Age

Kraftwerk= New Order, Yellow Magic Orchestra, Human League, Pet Shop Boys

Billy Preston = The Meters, The JB's, Bar-Kays

Gil Scott-Heron = DJ Kool Herc, the Last Poets

Clarence Avant = Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, SOS band, Cherrelle, Alexander O'Neal

Posted by Zack F on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 11:46am

Head over to isthisbandmetal.com and you'll find out that there are more than two metal bands in the Hall.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 14:06pm

Although I question the notion that Guns N Roses isn't a metal band. To a lesser extent, Van Halen too.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 14:20pm

@FRL

On the Nominating Committee page, I noticed that you put all the 2021 inductees on the Voting Committee section, but you left out Jay Z as a voting member considering now that he is also inducted this year.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 17:12pm

They got it right with Rundgren, Carole King, Tina Turner, and the Go-Gos. Not so much with Foo Fighters, a good band but not great. I guess it's the well-connected Hall of Fame. And I thought the Musical Excellence award was for sidemen. How is L.L. Cool J a sideman? They were just trying to find a way to get him in the side door since he never wins induction as a performer. Ditto for Kraftwerk. I get that they were an early influence on electronica, which is a post-rock genre of music, but they weren't around long enough ago to be an early influence on rock. They made the right call on Billy Preston and Randy Rhoads, though. Both were great sidemen, although I'd have loved to see Preston get in as a performer. They also made the right call not inducting the easy listening Muzak of Dionne Warwick (yawn).

Posted by Mike on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 17:24pm

They got it right with Rundgren, Carole King as a performer, Tina Turner, and the Go-Gos. Not so much with Foo Fighters, a good band but not great. I guess it's the well-connected Hall of Fame. And I thought the Musical Excellence award was for sidemen. How is L.L. Cool J a sideman? They were just trying to find a way to get him in the side door since he never wins induction as a performer. Ditto for Kraftwerk. I get that they were an early influence on electronica, which is a post-rock genre of music, but they weren't around long enough ago to be an early influence on rock. They made the right call on Billy Preston and Randy Rhoads, though. Both were great sidemen, although I'd have loved to see Preston get in as a performer. They also made the right call not inducting the easy listening Muzak of Dionne Warwick (yawn).

Posted by Mike on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 17:30pm

Never mind. Just double checked the Voting Committee section again, and Jay Z is listed under his real name "Shawn Carter".

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 17:39pm

I'm putting this out there right now; Eminem next year is an obvious nominee, but I say he isn't an obvious inductee. Because the main voters tend to shun acts that are too controversial and Eminem still thrives on controversy. He's more like NWA (who took multiple nominations) than he is like Jay-Z (respected business mogul and pop-cult mayor of NYC).

As for Richie's question.

Kraftwerk getting in sets up nobody obvious as a next performer induction since they got in through an insider back door. It does open a frequently occupied spot on the nominees list, but not a future likely inductee spot. Maybe their early influence induction signals a possibility for Link Wray or Dick Dale to be backfired in though, or NY Folls or MC5 to be backdoored in that way.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 18:10pm

@Shrek

Yeah, I agree with your thoughts on Eminem and his chances. I pretty much lower my expectation on Eminem getting inducted on his first try, unless the ballot is very weak that voters have no choice but vote for Slim Shady.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 18:16pm

Has Eminem ever dissed the Hall? He probably will soon enough.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 19:23pm

Carole King > Carly Simon > Judy Collins
Tina Turner > Chaka Khan > Cher
Todd Rundgren > Joe Cocker > Warren Zevon > Captain Beefheart > Harry Nilsson > Gram Parsons
The Go-Go's > The Bangles
Foo Fighters > Blink-182
Jay-Z > Eminem > Dr. Dre
LL Cool J > Ice Cube
Gil Scott-Heron > DJ Kool Herc > The Last Poets > The Watts Prophets > Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Kraftwerk > Devo > Daft Punk
Randy Rhoads > Steve Vai
Billy Preston > The Meters
Charley Patton > Carter Family
Clarence Avant > Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 20:42pm

EARLY INFLUENCE

No Ravens
No Roy Brown
No Wynonie Harris
No Millls Brothers
No Clovers
No Carter Family
No Ivory Joe Hunter
No Ella Fitzgerald

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/13/2021 @ 20:50pm

The acts who reached the Top 5 in the fan vote and were not inducted:

Judas Priest (2018 and 2020)
Dave Matthews Band (2020)
Pat Benetar (2020)
Soundgarden (2020)
Iron Maiden (2021)
Fela Kuti (2021)

Could any of them come back?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 05/14/2021 @ 04:16am

Follower,

Thinking all of them have a pretty good chance in years to come. I believe (and really hope) Soundgarden and Pat get in within the next couple of years. Judas Priest and Iron Maiden are too big to ignore forever. Dave Matthews and Fela Kuti? That's an interesting question.

Posted by remy10 on Friday, 05/14/2021 @ 05:35am

They certainly got it right with The Go-Go's,Carole King, Todd Rundgren and Tina Turner as performers. Foo Fighters is right on because of their popularity and the strong connection with the Hall of Fame.
The Music Excellence award used to be for Sidemen. BUT then RINGO Starr was inducted under Music Excellence in 2015. Ringo is NOT a sideman. He is drummer for the most famous band of all time. Unlike the other Fab Four members his solo career was a Hard sell. So they slid Ringo in. Ringo was the headliner for 2015. This proves that Music Excellence does not hinder a performance.
Ringo in fact did Headline. True is is from that Fab Four. That may be why. But this certainly means that LL Cool J can perform. I'm tempted to say he can Headline but maybe NOT. But a performance is ABSOLUTELY possible. I will say this LL COOL J is more likely to headline than Jay-Z. I've noticed that the headliner tends towards an Older crowd. It's usually But DOES NOT have to be. LL Cool J would be a cool headliner. It can happen. LL Cool J never wins Induction and LL is the man. And I say that as a TOTAL Rock fan.
Kraftwerk is inducted as an Early influence because JOHN Sykes has expanded and updated it far beyond 1955 to about 1970.
It was totally on mark with Billy Preston and Randy Rhoads. I remember his fatal plant crash in 1981. This is a nod to Heavy Metal.
In contrast to that there is Dionne Warwick. She must have lost out to Carole King and Tina Turner. Her 60s music may be called easy listening but lest we forget NEIL DIAMOND was inducted in 2011. Ahh some of you may have forgotten that happened. Heyy that's it for NOW.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/14/2021 @ 07:25am

I suppose the downside to the number of inductees is that it probably eliminates what (I heard) was proposed--a performance by the living 2020 inductees. It would have been nice to see Nine Inch Nails, Depeche Mode and the Doobie Brothers accept their awards and perform.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 05/14/2021 @ 11:49am

RG and Plebeian,

I know it's really early, but besides the obvious FYE lock/shoo-in in Eminem, who do you see being nominated for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/15/2021 @ 00:16am

2022 predictions

Mary J Blige
Coolio
Gordon Lightfoot
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Motley Crue
Soundgarden
The B-52's
The Dave Matthews Band
Phil Collins

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/15/2021 @ 15:56pm

2022 nominees:
B-52s
Pat Benatar
Commodores
Daft Punk
De La Soul
Devo
Duran Duran
Eminem
Iron Maiden
Chaka Khan
Mariah Carey
Dave Matthews Band
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
Sleater-Kinney
Dionne Warwick

Inductees:
Commodores, Dionne Warwick; Duran Duran; B-52's; Mariah Carey; Iron Maiden
Early Influence: Link Wray, MC5
Musical Excellence: Chaka Khan, Carole Kaye

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 05/15/2021 @ 16:04pm

Induction predictions will be pretty crazy going forward knowing there could be up to nine inductees in the side categories. I have no idea why Clarence Avant was considered important enough to be the sole inductee this year. Ripping off artists and failing in your business ventures makes you worthier of induction than songwriters or producers? They've really got to move on from giving a trophy to business executives barely anyone has heard of.

I think Chaka inevitably returns on a ballot next year, in some form, and inevitably gets the Musical Excellence induction that should have happened forever ago.

Got to wonder if people are going to freak when Rage does their tour next year and rages against the machine which includes, gasp, Joe Biden! Wonder if that will affect nominating committee liberals down the road who weirdly believe the band's message is anti-Republican instead of anti-capitalist.

Possible we get people barking up the wrong tree with Kate Bush and Mary J Blige and Dionne Warwick taking up ballot space despite no real shot at induction.

Metal will move on from Maiden but towards someone else without a prayer of induction. Solo Ozzy might be their most viable bet.

First year nom for Eminem. Perhaps Outkast or Weezer finally show up on the ballot. Thinking we will see an attempt for Seattle grunge with either Alice or Soundgarden.

Rundgren's induction maybe opens up room for Nilsson or Zevon. Devo either returns or gets replaced with Duran Duran. College rock could get The Replacments or Smiths or Pixies.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 05/15/2021 @ 16:10pm

I think Diana Ross happens if she's brought up at the nom meeting. And an induction would follow.

Bad Company is the best classic rock name on the board (as far as viability is concerned). Also an automatic induction if they make the ballot.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 05/15/2021 @ 16:11pm

Joy Division-New Order ballot appearance and induction in the same year will eventually happen. It hurts the punk/post-punk acts that there is basically nobody in their corner on that committee. Most unfairly slighted section of rock as far as ballot appearances are concerned.

Museum has already had a minor exhibit on these two bands already and had interview sessions and the like with some of them. It needs to happen.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 05/15/2021 @ 16:16pm

2022 nominees:
B-52s
Pat Benatar
Commodores
Daft Punk
De La Soul
Devo
Duran Duran
Eminem
Iron Maiden
Chaka Khan
Mariah Carey
Dave Matthews Band
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
Sleater-Kinney
Dionne Warwick

Inductees:
Commodores, Dionne Warwick; Duran Duran; B-52's; Mariah Carey; Iron Maiden
Early Influence: Link Wray, MC5
Musical Excellence: Chaka Khan, Carole Kaye

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 05/15/2021 @ 17:33pm

Oops, sorry for the repeat post. At least I'm not the only one to ever do that! LOL

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 05/15/2021 @ 17:36pm

Induction ceremony predictions:

Cold Open: Tom Morello playing Eruption followed by Morello and Foo Fighters playing You Really Got Me in tribute to EVH

Foo Fighters:
Inducted by David Letterman
Band accepts and plays: Best Of You, This Is A Call, My Hero

Musical Excellence Randy Rhodes:
Inducted By: Tom Morello
Accepted by his brother and sister
Morello performs Crazy Train with Foo Fighters

Early Influence Charley Patton:
inducted by Jack White
No acceptance speech
Jack White and Taj Mahal play "High Water Everywhere"

Todd Rundgren: no show
Inducted by: Don Was
Award accepted by Lindsey Parker
No performance

Musical Excellence Billy Preston:
Inducted By: Ringo Starr
No acceptance speech
No performance

The Go-Go's
Inducted By: P!nk
Band accepts and plays: We Got The Beat, Head Over Heels, Our Lips Are Sealed

Ahmet Ertugen - Clarence Avant
Inducted By: Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis
No performance
Acceptance speech by Avant assuming he is healthy enough at 90

Early Influence Gil Scott-Heron
Inducted By: Common
Accepted by one or more of his children
Common and Black Thought perform The Revolution Will Not Be Televised backed by The Roots, Chuck D performs "We Almost Lost Detroit" backed by The Roots

Musical Excellence LL Cool J
Inducted By: Chuck D
LL accepts and performs: Mama Said Knock You Out, I Need Love, Rock The Bells

Tina Turner
Inducted By: Beyoncé
Turner accepts via video message
Alicia Keyes performs What's Love Got To Do With It
Beyoncé performs The Best

Early Influence Kraftwerk
No shows
Inducted by New Order
No acceptance speech
New Order performs The Robots

Jay-Z:
Inducted By: Barack Obama
Jay-Z accepts and performs Big Pimpin'; Hard Knock Life; and Empire State Of Mind (with Alicia Keys)

Carole King:
Inducted By: James Taylor
King accepts
Plays: It's Too Late, You've Got A Friend (with Taylor), Natural Woman (with Alicia Keyes and Beyoncé), I Feel The Earth Move (with Foo Fighters); The Locomotion and Some Kind Of Wonderful (All Star Jam)

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 05/15/2021 @ 17:47pm

Female 2022 Nominees Predictions

Mary J Blige
Dionne Warwick
Mariah Carey
Pat Benatar
Chaka Khan

Posted by Ralib Allen on Saturday, 05/15/2021 @ 18:25pm

I realized that it's 20 nominees, 10 inductees, so here's my prediction.

Mary J Blige
Coolio
Gordon Lightfoot
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Motley Crue
Soundgarden
The B-52's
The Dave Matthews Band
Phil Collins
Steppenwolf
Pantera
Backstreet Boys
KC and the Sunshine Band
The Diamonds
Dionne Warwick
Barry White
Chic
Daft Punk
Rage Against the Machine
Chubby Checker

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 05/16/2021 @ 00:46am

Since the Side categories have been expanded up to about 1970, I guess that's the end of that idea for 2 Ceremonies. One regular Ceremony for 1970's, 80s and 90s and one Special one for those that started in the 1950s and 60s. I don't know if that was ever an actual proposal by John Sykes. It seems more like an idea on here. It seems that way to me. The expansion of the Special categories takes care of this back log problem. As examples The Turtles, the Monkees and MC5 can be inducted as Early influence. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/16/2021 @ 06:17am

Donnie, if you read this, I just wanna thank you for your words. This is exactly what I think about this class.

Posted by MichaelEU on Sunday, 05/16/2021 @ 09:13am

Donnie,

I echo what MichaelEU said. I think you really nailed it. I really am excited about this class but am really disappointed at the new state of the categories.

One thing has shifted for me after this class was announced. I have always believed that the Rock Hall shifts things around with the ballots, and doesn't always go by the actual vote totals. If everything is aboveboard, why not have an independent group verify?

But after this class was announced I'm starting to think that maybe they do go strictly according to the votes. It would have been so easy, for example, to switch Rundgren and LL Cool J. It would have made so much more sense. But they didn't, which I imagine is because Rundgren got voted in and LL Cool J didn't.

Posted by remy10 on Sunday, 05/16/2021 @ 12:37pm

Casper,
You make some good points there. I think Chaka Khan returns on a ballot next year, in some form, and then gets the Musical Excellence induction that should have happened previously. Now that we know the game plan with Side categories,
This is very likely.
I agree that Metal will move on from Maiden but towards someone else. But I would not say it's without a prayer of induction. Solo Ozzy might be their most viable because of the induction of Randy Rhoads in Music Excellence,
Also Todd Rundgren opens up things to Harry Nilsson or Warren Zevon. I have knowledge of both these guys. They both have terrific cult followings. I do think Devo will get replaced with Duran Duran. The Hall has never tried Duran D. There is a strong chance of this for 2022. Would you like to elaborate on these things?

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/16/2021 @ 18:41pm

Casper,
You make some good points there. I think Chaka Khan returns on a ballot next year, in some form, and then gets the Musical Excellence induction that should have happened previously. Now that we know the game plan with Side categories,
This is very likely.
I agree that Metal will move on from Maiden but towards someone else. But I would not say it's without a prayer of induction. Solo Ozzy might be their most viable because of the induction of Randy Rhoads in Music Excellence,
Also Todd Rundgren opens up things to Harry Nilsson or Warren Zevon. I have knowledge of both these guys. They both have terrific cult followings. I do think Devo will get replaced with Duran Duran. The Hall has never tried Duran D. There is a strong chance of this for 2022. Would you like to elaborate on these things?

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/16/2021 @ 18:41pm

I think Gene Simmons must have had his ballot revoked, since he complained about Iron Maiden not getting in.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 05/16/2021 @ 23:00pm

I'm sure the remaining four will gladly accept, but I wonder if the Go-Go's will perform, since (I just learned) that frontwoman Belinda Carlisle is now a resident of Thailand.

Posted by Joe on Monday, 05/17/2021 @ 01:26am

New York Dolls have a huge chance to get in for 2022 as that David Johansson documentary coming out. If Rush and The Go-Go's can get in via documentary why can't the New York Dolls? I think we underestimated how well Glam Rock does on the ballot.

Here are my predictions:
Pat Benatar
Eminem
New York Dolls (They have the votes)
Diana Ross
Rage Against The Machine (Next year marks the 30th anniversary of their debut)
Duran Duran

Would make a fascinating class

For extra steps:

Early Influence:
MC5
Link Wray
Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence:
Sheila E
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

AE Award:
Rick Rubin

That is my take.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 05/17/2021 @ 02:57am

Interesting that the "will they show up" drama isn't about band members but about the Hall itself and/or outside factors.


Since she won't show up, Tina will become the 2nd person to attend neither of her inductions, the first being Rod Stewart. In his case, he was sick when Small Faces/The Faces got inducted, and the first time an earthquake happened where he lived and he wanted to stay with his family.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/17/2021 @ 03:09am

Follower,
I do remember both of those no shows of Rod Stewart, I remember vividly about an earthquake preventing Rod from attending the 1994 ceremony. This was the first ceremony that paid a lot of attention to. I go further back with the Ceremonies. You probably do too. I didn't watch them yet but I heard some of the 1994 ceremony on the radio I think. And I remember Rod was sick for the Small Faces/Faces induction in 2012. I've had tremendous doubt myself that Tina will show up. It would be more due to health than Travel. She lives in Switzerland true but can get a Visa to come. Ahh but there is Covid 19 travel restrictions plus her own health. Covid 19 ,makes things more risky for Tina who is 81. I do agree is the Sum up. Hey so who would accept the award for Tina? Can you answer this?

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/17/2021 @ 03:36am

I decided to go back and make a list of all of the nominated artists that have not yet been inducted. I went as far back as 2009, which is when the ballot expanded beyond those dire 9-act ballots. Nine out of 38 were newly nominated in the past two years alone.

1. Bad Brains
2. The Chantels
3. Chic (7)
4. Chuck Willis
5. Dave Matthews Band
6. Devo (2)
7. Dionne Warwick
8. Eric B. & Rakim
9. Eurythmics
10. Fela Kuti
11. Iron Maiden
12. The J. Geils Band (3)
13. Jane's Addiction
14. The J.B.'s
15. Joe Tex (2)
16. Judas Priest (2)
17. Los Lobos
18. Kate Bush (2)
19. Link Wray (2)
20. John Prine
21. The Marvelettes (2)
22. Mary J. Blige
23. MC5 (4)
24. The Meters (3)
25. Motorhead
26. New York Dolls
27. Pat Benatar
28. Procol Harum
29. Rage Against the Machine (3)
30. The Replacements
31. Rufus with Chaka Khan / Chaka Khan (7)
32. The Smiths (2)
33. Soundgarden
34. The Spinners (3)
35. Steppenwolf
36. Sting
37. Thin Lizzy
38. War (3)

Posted by remy10 on Monday, 05/17/2021 @ 09:59am

remy10,

I'm going to list off all the acts that have been nominated but not yet inducted into the Rock Hall and they are:

1. Afrika Bambaataa
2. Bad Brains
3. Ben E. King (3)
4. The Chantels (2)
5. Chic (11)
6. Chuck Willis (6)
7. Dave Matthews Band
8. Devo (2)
9. Dionne Warwick
10. The Dominoes
11. Eric B. & Rakim
12. Esther Philips (2)
13. Eurythmics
14. Fela Kuti
15. Gram Parsons (3)
16. Iron Maiden
17. The J. Geils Band (5)
18. The J.B's
19. Jane's Addiction
20. Joe Tex (5)
21. John Prine
22. Johnny Ace (2)
23. Judas Priest (2)
24. Kate Bush (2)
25. Link Wray (2)
26. Los Lobos
27. The Marvelettes (2)
28. Mary J. Blige
29. Mary Wells (2)
30. MC5 (5)
31. The Meters (4)
32. Motorhead
33. New York Dolls (2)
34. Pat Benatar
35. Procol Harum
36. Rage Against The Machine (3)
37. The Replacements
38. Rufus With Chaka Khan/Chaka Khan (7)
39. The Sir Douglas Quintet
40. The Smiths (2)
41. Soundgarden
42. The Spinners (3)
43. Steppenwolf
44. Steve Winwood
45. Sting
46. Thin Lizzy
47. War (3)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/17/2021 @ 10:33am

Does Tina have any children or other relatives that could accept the award?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/17/2021 @ 16:10pm

Follower,
I loooked Tina Turner. I'm a a fan somewhat. But I did Not know about her children and Relatives. She has 4 Children. And She has a Sister named Alline Bullock. That's the official answer

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/17/2021 @ 18:27pm

Well, that means there is someone who can accept the award on her behalf.

There is a less than zero percent of him seeing this, but here's the top 10 of Alex's Original Prospects list that are not in the Hall as of now:

1. Judas Priest (#5)
2. The Smiths (#6)
3. Peter, Paul, and Mary (#7)
4. The Spinners (#8)
5. Iron Maiden (11)
6. Chic (#13)
7. Euthrymics (#14)
8. Kate Bush (#18)
9. Duran Duran (#19)
10. Weird Al (#20)

Since 5 years of eligibility have happened, this probably isn't what his actual top 10 is.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/17/2021 @ 22:32pm

K-Dawg's Way Too Early 2022 predictions:

1. Smashing Pumpkins - The most perplexing omission of the 90s bands thus far. They have everything--monster albums, a diverse lineup, and a critical darling in Billy Corgan. It's only a matter of time before they enter Cleveland; hopefully, they can get the original lineup to patch things up, which is by far no easy task.

2. Rage Against the Machine - Tom Morello and crew will get a long hard look, especially since fellow Committee member Dave Grohl coasted in FYE with the Foo Fighters. Their politically charged music is as relevant as ever in 2021.


3. Eminem - Love him or hate him, Marshal Mathers is all but guaranteed to go in for 22, but I can totally see him going Sex Pistols on the whole affair...

4. Duran Duran - Prog adjacent, and easily one of the biggest 80s bands yet to even fail to garner a nom for the Hall; I hold to the thought this well could be their year.

5. Carly Simon - With Carole King getting over the hump, Carly is a natural songwriters choice. How is the voice behind "You're So Vain" still waiting on the outside?

6. The B52s - There aren't many more clear cut choices for an originally influential band than this quintet. They are the pioneers of college rock. And they are socially conscious and LBGT darlings, so that could factor in

7. Eurythmics - The Smiths and Joy Divison/New Order keep getting mentioned; however, since the Nom Com has proven time and again they are Americentric, the very deserving duet of Lennox and Stewart will get consideration and again, a very worthy potential inductee.

8. Foreigner - 70s rock is still not completely tapped out; in terms of popularity and sales, Foreigner has proven they are probably the most notable pop rock band left from a saturated genre.

9. Mariah Carey - with Whitney, Janet and now Tina Turner in, the R&B/pop pendulum is swinging Mariah's way.

10. Harry Nilsson - a choice I wouldn't have seen a year ago, but with Todd Rundgren getting a surprise induction as a performer, Harry becomes an instant candidate to be next

11. Motley Crue - I am in the minority in thinking that the committee does want to close the trinity of 80s hair band superstars, and Crue will get another look.

12. Iron Maiden - Another minority pick by me, I think that Maiden will not go as quietly as some think; they made enough noise to be heard from again. Priest could also resurface, but I don't think they're ready for Ozzy yet...

13. TLC - Rappers are getting in left and right, but no female hip hop act has yet been nominated. Salt N Pepa arguably should get the first look, but TLC has both the success and the tragedy (the passing of Left Eye in 2002), so they have the more compelling story. This also will lead to the eventual FYE of Beyonce in about, what, 6 years?

14. Tori Amos - The late 90s were a powerful time for feminism and the Lilith Fair. Tori Amos is innovative and a critical darling. She has the influence and reputation to get a look.

15. Bad Company - Always on the top of my list for omissions, Paul Rodgers NEEDS to be in. It's criminal they keep passing him over.

16. The Monkees - to my mind, the last great 60s group waiting on the outside. 2 members already passed and they are embarking on a farewell tour this upcoming year. It's time to put them in the RRHOF

17. Soundgarden - Grunge isn't dead yet, and Soundgarden could get another look. AIC also should get some consideration in this slot.

18. The Commodores - Lionel Richie and his original group still remain a great case to get some more 70s R&B in. The Hall can't get this right either.

19. Phil Collins - My WTF pick of the entire list; the Hall likes to put artists in more than once, regardless if they're worthy or it steals a spot from a long deserved and forgotten person. Phil is a big name who would get attention. And, for his credit, that drum solo on "In the AIr Tonight"...well...legend

I'm begrudgingly accepting Kraftwerk in a non-performer induction, although I'm still bitter beyond belief that this committee can't do the right thing and consider them full blown worthy of the main enshrinement. However, with the ridiculous backlog, gotta take what you can get, I suppose.

Thoughts?

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 01:32am

Follower,
It doesn't matter too much but just to Elaborate. Tina's Sister Alline died in 2010. But Tina has her 4 children. I assume ALL alive. And a daughter in law whose name I forgot. I think Tina is close with Daughter in law. Yes there is someone to accept the award on her behalf.
As far as Alex's Original prospects not in the Hall. Some may be inducted within 5 years. Why don't you think Alex will see this? He may. Do you mean Alex physically seeing your post? Some can be inducted soon

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 07:26am

I think we're all missing the biggest question to come out of this round of inductions. Who's going to replace Foo Fighters in the artist collage behind FRL's logo?!?! Inquiring minds want to know!

Posted by Michael W on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 07:58am

They changed the color of pictures of inducted artists on the collage to black and white on the old one. They'll probably do the same on this one too.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 11:30am

I got an answer. I am Not an expert on Later Modern bands But I know who can replace Foo Fighters on the Collage. It can and should be the Strokes! That's a modern band I know about. Eligible in 2027

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 11:45am

Since FLR didn't quote the entire series, here is ?uestlove's response to William E. Ketchum III in full:

"That doesn't disqualify him. I know it seems like "he gets in the house but has to enter through the back"——but once you're IN....you are IN. A big part of my dismay in the process is the whole "with group" "as a soloist" thing

(Disclosure I'm "the committee) —oftentimes I feel like the only reason double dipping is allowed is that it makes for better ratings/press—-meaning you induct MJ in 97 w J5, then you induct him again in 2001 alone, he is actually eligible for a 3rd as a member of "The Jacksons"

Like Prince & The Revolution/Prince & the NPG could also be up for grabs. I get that because Tina did NOT attend RRHOF for when her and Ike got inducted—-this makes for a great moment. But a lot of people are upset thinking she was NEVER in the RRHOF. She's a 30 yr member

Understandably she bowed out. But she is already IN—-since they aren't doing 10 at a time like before (now is 5-7) it is taking forever. Oftentimes the 40 in the room are spot on, it's when the current members (4000+?) vote that it seems to go awry.

Either we work super hard to add 3000 well rounded new members (not old rock guys trying to convince me Chic isn't "rock"

Retitle it MHOF (music) to really hammer in one doesn't need a guitar solo to get in—-a lot of voting members mask the "that's not rock!" As a shield

Or just let the 35 of us decide.
I like the latter option: go back to 10 inductees 7 are voted in like normal, 3 are special committee——the room is way hipper than voting board. The Room could get Rakim in w the quickness. Fair balance.

LL is in. As in he will be referred to as RRHOF member LL Cool J. As long as mofos cross the line? I'm for it."

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 18:27pm

2021 Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees

Critique by Sampson of Digital Dream Door

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-2021.html

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 19:39pm

Here's a question for you all: Since Randy Rhoads has won the Musical Excellence Award for his incredible guitar skills, especially with Ozzy Osbourne, do you all think this will FINALLY open the door for heavy metal performers to get inducted into the Hall? You know, acts like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motörhead and (of course) Ozzy?

Because the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame can't ignore heavy metal forever.

Posted by Johnny on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 20:01pm

I think the Rhodes induction opens the door for some belated justice for Ronnie James Dio. Motörhead certainly could qualify to get in under the new definition of "early influence" or they might just induct Lemmy on his own.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 20:18pm

They should just pull a Billy Davis/Kenny Laguna and randomly add Dio to Black Sabbath's member list.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 20:53pm

Or they can just induct the band, Dio. Although considering they can't even get Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, or Motorhead in, I won't hold my breath.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 21:35pm

RG, Plebeian, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, Greg F, Shrek, Nick, dmg, John R.C., Steve Z, Ian, Navonte Robertson, K-Dawg and Follower,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2021 next year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/18/2021 @ 22:54pm

Well, it's good to see that The Go-Gos, Carole King and Tina Turner had finally received long overdue well- deserved inductions. So, a gain of 5 women is a good thing, but inducting Foo Fighters and Jay Z, clearly places the balance in favor of the men, once again. I still think that Todd Rundgren should have been given the Musical Excellence award, instead of being inducted as a performer. That would have left room for the possible inductions of Kate Bush and Dionne Warwick. Whatever. Why induct Kraftwerk as an early influence? Why not place them on the ballot as a performer again this year? Why induct LL Cool J for Musical Excellence, instead of re-nominating him again, next year? If they were going to do that, then why not put Chic in, instead? After all, Chic had been nominated 11 times to no avail. If anything, this is a bold statement that the Rock Hall does not care what we think, does what it wants and does not have to answer to anyone!

By the way, did any of the special categories add any more ladies to the Rock Hall?

On the positive side: The Bangles, Carly Simon and Sade may finally receive long overdue nominations and inductions next year.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/19/2021 @ 08:58am

Are they doing singles this year?

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/19/2021 @ 22:20pm

Enig,
It's good to see that The Go-Gos, Carole King and Tina Turner have received long overdue inductions that are very deserved. 5 more women is a Very good thing. We agree there. But I will veer off and say inducting Foo Fighters and Jay-Z were necessary. These are 2 first YE artists that were key in the 1990s. As far as Todd Rundgren it's a matter of votes. He clearly got more votes than either Kate Bush or Dionne Warwick. Or just let the 35 of us decide.
There is an option discussed: go back to 10 inductees 7 are voted in like normal, 3 are special committee——the room is in fact way hipper than voting board. The Room could get Rakim or Kate Bush in. with greater quickness. I can understand the purpose of the Room. But I agree it indicates the Rock Hall doesn't care what we think. Does what it wants. I agree with parts of your post

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 04:19am

The Rock Hall Pyramid has been updated. I hate how the 2020 class is so low. At least 4 of these acts should be in the level 2 range. 2021 not surprised.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 16:11pm

Plebeian,

I'm going to ask you a few questions:

I know it's really early, but who do you see being nominated for 2022?.

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2021 next year for 2022?.

Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you think have the best chances at induction next year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 17:07pm

Plebeian,

Good insight. This class doesn't have that much star power

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 17:28pm

Richie,

1960s:
Dionne Warwick
Harry Nilsson

The 1970s:
New York Dolls
Diana Ross
Sparks
Warren Zevon

The 1980s:
Chaka Khan
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
The Replacements
Eurythmics
Iron Maiden

The 1990s:
Stone Temple Pilots (Real Wild Card Pick)
Soundgarden
Beck

The 2000s:
Eminem

The New York Dolls have a huge benefit from the 2021 class and the critics side really shows there is the votes for them. Add to David Johansson getting a Documentary from Martin Scorsese and Showtime (which helped The Go-Go's), they seemed posed to take their ticket to the New York Ceremony next year. Todd being in gives them a even more boosted effort too. The Go-Go's give an edge for Pat Benatar and Jay-Z just gave Eminem even more of an incentive to get in.

I see Dionne Warwick, Chaka Khan, The New York Dolls, and Rage Against The Machine returning.

Here would be the class based on these choices:

Eminem (Love him or hate him, Slim Shady is a slam dunk. He is controversy proof IMO)
Diana Ross (Tina Turner gives her a boost as a double inductee and she is cross platforming to get the votes)
Pat Benatar (Huge upset in last year's ballot and will return once more)
New York Dolls (See Above)
Duran Duran (The next major New Wave act to get in as DEVO failed and would easily win the fan vote)
Soundgarden (Would mark the anniversary of Chris Cornell's death and a cherry on top as a farewell from the band)

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 17:43pm

Scratch Beck off for Rage.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 17:56pm

They should have a "Legends" Rock And Roll HOF category. You could get in Johnny Rivers, Link Wray, Tom Jones, Tommy James, etc. Some greats who fell through the cracks. If they continue to use these categories, Link Wray definitely will be inducted and Procol Harum. I would put New York Dolls and MC5 in as Early Influences. Now they are forwarding that into the 1970's. 50+ years is a long time now that it's the year 2021.
Brian Setzer seems to me like a good potential for "Musical Excellence". He has good material from Stray Cats, Brian Setzer Solo, and the Brian Setzer Orchestra. Probably won't be inducted in either of the 3 but taking the totality...I believe he belongs. Sheila E. is perfect for this as well.
Procol Harum benefits as they could be placed on the ballot the regular way or could be an Early Influence. They also would be "Musical Excellence." You would figure they find a way to honor Ronnie James Dio. Either as DIO on the ballot or 1 of these special awards. They should have inducted him in Black Sabbath. I think they might go with Duran Duran in 2022 but you never know. Diana Ross appears to be a likely nominee 2022 with Chaka Khan receiving 1 of the special awards. They tried Chaka several times. Not enough votes. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 18:42pm

RG,

I'm going to ask you a few questions:

I know it's really early, but who do you see being nominated for 2022?.

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2021 next year for 2022?.

Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you think have the best chances at induction next year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 19:03pm

THIS IS WHAT THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAMEE LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT THE ARTISTS WHO WERE INDUCTED IN THE WRONG CATEGORY

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner
Billy Preston
Randy Rhoads
Charley Patton
Clarence Avant

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 21:41pm

King,
Ahh Brian Setzer. I did Not think of him at all. He's good. Musical Excellence" is a good idea. He has good material from Stray Cats, Brian Setzer Solo, and the Brian Setzer Orchestra. Probably can be inducted in Music Excellence. taking the totality...I believe he belongs too. Sheila E. is another good choice for Music Excellence.
I think Procol Harum will be inducted as Eariy Influence. With the expansion of that they fit perfect. That's a lot better than the bogus Singles Category. Early influence is a much better idea. Those are some thoughts on your post. It's too early in day to think about Dio. But you make good point there. It's always good to hear from you. Respond and hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 07:30am

Foo Fighters, Tina Turner, Kraftwerk On List Of Rock Hall Inductees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30cGMLBB8wk

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 09:24am

Richie and others,

Here are my very early initial thoughts for 2022. This list is modified from a list that I had made before the inductees were announced, where I had predicted that LL Cool J, Kraftwerk, and Gil Scott-Heron would be on the ballot... go figure. Tried to stick with a similar breakdown of nominees as this year in terms of race, gender, and genre.

RETURNING NOMINEES
1. Dionne Warwick
2. The Spinners
3. Chaka Khan, w/ or w/o Rufus
4. Pat Benatar
5. Judas Priest
6. Soundgarden
7. Eric B & Rakim
8. Rage Against the Machine

NEW NOMINEES
9. Eminem
10. Mariah Carey
11. Carly Simon
12. Joy Division/New Order
13. Smashing Pumpkins
14. Warren Zevon
15. The B-52's
16. Toots & The Maytals

The class is:
1. Eminem
2. Mariah Carey
3. Dionne Warwick
4. Rage Against the Machine
5. Pat Benatar
6. Joy Division/New Order

Chaka Khan, Link Wray, and Big Mama Thornton are among the artists inducted through special categories.

Posted by RG on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 20:23pm

Carole King > Carly Simon > Judy Collins
Tina Turner > Diana Ross > Chaka Khan > Cher
Todd Rundgren > Joe Cocker > Warren Zevon > Captain Beefheart > Harry Nilsson > Gram Parsons
The Go-Go's > The Bangles
Foo Fighters > Blink-182
Jay-Z > Eminem > Dr. Dre
LL Cool J > Ice Cube
Gil Scott-Heron > DJ Kool Herc > The Last Poets > The Watts Prophets > Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Kraftwerk > Devo > Daft Punk
Randy Rhoads > Steve Vai
Billy Preston > The Meters
Charley Patton > Carter Family
Clarence Avant > Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 21:00pm

My early predictions for the 2022 nominees (I copied RG's list by the way):

Returning Nominees:

1. Dionne Warwick
2. The Spinners
3. Chaka Khan, w/ or w/o Rufus
4. Soundgarden
5. Judas Priest
6. Pat Benatar
7. Eurythmics
8. Eric B. & Rakim
9. Rage Against The Machine

New Nominees:

10. Eminem
11. Mariah Carey
12. Carly Simon
13. Smashing Pumpkins
14. Warren Zevon
15. The B-52's
16. Toots & The Maytals

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 22:30pm

Yeah, how about instead:

Carole King (2021) to Kate Bush (2022)
Tina Turner to Chaka or Diana (but NOT Mariah!)
Todd Rundgren to Warren Zevon (despite the influence of evil horn-wearer Irving Azoff

Posted by Mr. XFL on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 22:31pm

lmao I think it looks almost exactly like my list, richie. I went back and forth between Joy Division and Eurythmics for the ballot but last minute decided to go for JD to keep the even split of previous and new nominees. I'm definitely hoping to see Eurythmics back on the ballot, and reserve the right to change that prediction back at any time.

Posted by RG on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 22:53pm

RG,

One thing that Eurythmics have in their favor is because next year, they'll finally be inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame along with Mariah Carey (they were supposed to be inducted last year in 2020, then it got moved to 2021 before it got moved again to 2022), so because of that, Don't be surprised to see both Mariah and Eurythmics on next year's ballot especially now with John Sykes in charge and the push for more women and 80's MTV era acts in the Hall.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/21/2021 @ 23:27pm

2022 NOMINEE PREDICTIONS

The Dave Matthews Band
Motley Crue
Mary J Blige
Coolio
Pat Benatar
Soundgarden
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
The Smiths
The Diamonds
Jim Croce
Steppenwolf
Huey Lewis and the News
Styx
Rage Against the Machine
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Dionne Warwick
Procol Harum
Jethro Tull
The B-52's
Devo

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/22/2021 @ 02:39am

2022 NOMINEE PREDICTIONS (corrected)

The Dave Matthews Band
Motley Crue
Mary J Blige
Coolio
Pat Benatar
Soundgarden
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
The Smiths
The Diamonds
Jim Croce
Steppenwolf
Huey Lewis and the News
Styx
Rage Against the Machine
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Dionne Warwick
Tina Turner
Jethro Tull
The B-52's
Devo

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/22/2021 @ 03:00am

2022 NOMINEE PREDICTIONS (corrected again)

The Dave Matthews Band
Motley Crue
Mary J Blige
Coolio
Pat Benatar
Soundgarden
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
The Smiths
The Diamonds
Jim Croce
Steppenwolf
Huey Lewis and the News
Styx
Rage Against the Machine
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Dionne Warwick
Diana Ross
Jethro Tull
The B-52's
Devo

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/22/2021 @ 03:01am

2022 NOMINEE PREDICTIONS (corrected)

The Dave Matthews Band
Motley Crue
Mary J Blige
Coolio
Pat Benatar
Soundgarden
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
The Smiths
The Diamonds
Jim Croce
Steppenwolf
Huey Lewis and the News
Styx
Rage Against the Machine
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Dionne Warwick
Diana Ross
Jethro Tull
The B-52's
Devo

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/22/2021 @ 03:02am

Sorry about the double post

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/22/2021 @ 03:02am

Plebeian, Casper, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, Greg F, Shrek, John R.C., Steve Z, Ian, Navonte Robertson, K-Dawg and Follower,

My early predictions for the 2022 nominees (I copied RG's list by the way):

Returning Nominees:

1. Dionne Warwick
2. The Spinners
3. Chaka Khan, w/ or w/o Rufus
4. Soundgarden
5. Judas Priest
6. Pat Benatar
7. Eurythmics
8. Eric B. & Rakim
9. Rage Against The Machine

New Nominees:

10. Eminem
11. Mariah Carey
12. Carly Simon
13. Smashing Pumpkins
14. Warren Zevon
15. The B-52's
16. Toots & The Maytals

Now, If this ended up being the 2022 nominees, who do you think would win the fan vote and who do you think would get in from that list?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/22/2021 @ 10:44am

When was the last class that had none of the acts connected to Irving Azoff? Maybe sometime in the 2000's?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/22/2021 @ 15:36pm

Plebeian, Ben, Will N., Michael W, remy10, Greg F, KING, Shrek, Nick, dmg, John R.C., Steve Z, Ian, Navonte Robertson, K-Dawg and Follower,

My early predictions for the 2022 nominees (I copied RG's list by the way):

Returning Nominees:

1. Dionne Warwick
2. The Spinners
3. Chaka Khan, w/ or w/o Rufus
4. Soundgarden
5. Judas Priest
6. Pat Benatar
7. Eurythmics
8. Eric B. & Rakim
9. Rage Against The Machine

New Nominees:

10. Eminem
11. Mariah Carey
12. Carly Simon
13. Smashing Pumpkins
14. Warren Zevon
15. The B-52's
16. Toots & The Maytals

Now, If this ended up being the 2022 nominees, who do you think would win the fan vote and who do you think would get in from that list?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/22/2021 @ 22:16pm

richie,
I will answer you partially on this. I don't like to talk or think about who would get in based on a list of Nominees predicted But I will tell you who I think would win the fan Vote. I think it's Pat Benatar. A lot of fans like me are disappointed they didn't get in before. If Not then Smashing Pumpkins could win the fan vote. I am Not a fan one bit but they have a huge fan base and have been skipped over. I recently checked out some Smashing Pumpkins on Spotify. It took me 25 years to check them out. I skipped over a lot of key 90s bands at the time. I am much more of a 1970s and 80s guy. Smashing Pumpkins were a blur to me at the time. Nonetheless I know that they can easily win a Fan vote. Predicting Inductees before knowing Nominees is Not something I support. Ask the others about that.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/23/2021 @ 04:52am

This is my dream ceremony for the 2021 class:

Carole King
Presenter: Sara Barallies
It's Too Late
Jazzman
You Got A Friend

The Go-Go's
Presenter: P!nk
We Got The Beat
Lips Are Sealed
Head Over Heels

Todd Rundgren
Presenter: Meat Loaf
No show, no performance

Kraftwerk
Presenter: Aphex Twin
Autobahn
Radioactivity
The Robots

Gil Scott-Heron
Presenter: Questlove
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (The Roots)

Randy Rhoads
Presenter: Ozzy Osbourne

Billy Preston
Presenter: Paul McCartney

Charley Patton
Presenter: Buddy Guy

Tina Turner
Presenter: Beyoncé
The Best (Beyoncé)
We Don't Need A Hero (Beyoncé)
What's Love Got To Do With It? (Beyoncé)

LL Cool J
Presenter: Chuck D
Mama Said Knock You Out
Can't Live Without My Radio
I'm Bad

Clarence Avant
Presenter: Irving Azoff

Jay-Z
Presenter: Kendrick Lamar
HOVA
Empire State of Mind
99 Problems/Encore

Foo Fighters
Presenter: David Letterman
Times Like These
The Best of You
Believe To Fly
Everlong

All-Star Jam
Germs' Lexicon Devil/Fugazi's Waiting Room/LL Cool J's Rock The Bells (Foos, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, LL Cool J, and Chuck D)

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 05/23/2021 @ 14:58pm

Plebeian,

My early predictions for the 2022 nominees (I copied RG's list by the way):

Returning Nominees:

1. Dionne Warwick
2. The Spinners
3. Chaka Khan, w/ or w/o Rufus
4. Soundgarden
5. Judas Priest
6. Pat Benatar
7. Eurythmics
8. Eric B. & Rakim
9. Rage Against The Machine

New Nominees:

10. Eminem
11. Mariah Carey
12. Carly Simon
13. Smashing Pumpkins
14. Warren Zevon
15. The B-52's
16. Toots & The Maytals

Now, If this ended up being the 2022 nominees, who do you think would win the fan vote and who do you think would get in from that list?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/23/2021 @ 16:10pm

Richie,

This is just me, but I would probably blow my brains if Mariah Carey gets nominated and slam dunks herself in whereas Heavy Metal, Electronic, and Alternative get their asses shafted for the billionth time. Rage probably has to wait again I feel and Smashing Pumpkins maybe the representative of the 90s slot. I agree Warren Zevon being classic rock adjacent will get him in.

The class I see in your picks are:

Pat Benatar
Smashing Pumpkins
Eminem
Warren Zevon
Dionne Warwick
Judas Priest (Sooner or later the Hall will have to push aside their hatred of Heavy Metal and give the genre importance)

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 05/23/2021 @ 17:01pm

When do tickets for the ceremony go on sale?

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 05/23/2021 @ 17:28pm

Hey Everyone,
It's time to get back to my Series. I took a hiatus from it for final predictions of 2021 and the early period of Inductee discussion.
And soo on Wed I wlll return to the series. Almost nobody Reviewed the Zombies and Def Leppard. Those 2 acts end the 2019 Class coverage. Also I will cover the 2020 Class. That would have been a rather fine Ceremony but the Pandemic struck. There is the Doobie Brothers, T Rex and a few others. I guess people are curious what I have to say about those and Depeche Mode. STAY TUNED

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/24/2021 @ 06:48am

Ben,

I have two albums by The Zombies: "Odessey And Oracle" and a greatest hits collection. I had voted for The Zombies several times during the 5 times that they were on the Rock Hall ballot. So, yes I was very supportive of their induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. My favorite songs by The Zombies are: 'Time Of The Season' and 'She's Not There.'

On the other hand, I am really not an aficionado of hard rock, or heavy metal, therefore I did not vote for Def Leppard.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05/25/2021 @ 09:02am

Ben,

I have two albums by The Zombies: "Odessey And Oracle" and a greatest hits collection. I had voted for The Zombies several times during the 4 times that they were on the Rock Hall ballot. So, yes I was very supportive of their induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. My favorite songs by The Zombies are: 'Time Of The Season' and 'She's Not There.'

On the other hand, I am really not an aficionado of hard rock, or heavy metal, therefore I did not vote for Def Leppard even once.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05/25/2021 @ 09:09am

Enig,
I'm glad you responded to the Zombies. I expected that. Rod Argent had his contributions to Prog. They also had a great singer named Colin Blunstone. I know the album ODYSSEY and Oracle rather well. That leaned towards the Prog scene to come. Heyy and you should get back to your EARLY PROG history

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/25/2021 @ 11:20am

Should this not be called the American Rock and roll hall of fame. I mean how can Paul Weller produce musical brilliance for 44 years and still be number 1 on the chart in the UK this very week with his new album after all that time and never even ,,ever,, get a mention or discussed,,,let along, heaven forbid, a nomination !

Posted by Jamie m on Tuesday, 05/25/2021 @ 12:57pm

Enig,

Yeah we differ on Hard Rock and Heavy Metal. I am Not an aficionado on this genre but moreso than you are. I like Def Leppard. That's why I voted for Def Leppard. a few times. However my Main favs tend to Not be Heavy rock. I am diverse. It just depends when it comes to this genre. I don't listen to it on a daily basis. I'm not always Prog either but I am into all kinds

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/25/2021 @ 17:26pm

Ok. Hey everybody it's officially time to get back to my series. I did actually finish 2019 class but It was just a few days before the inductees announcement. As a result the Zombies and Def Leppard weren't really reviewed by too many that are involved with my series. Enig was kind enough to just review the Zombies. And I recall King giving his account of Def Leppard. K-Dawg was going to get to Def Leppard and sone others from 2019. And soo I will give everyone else some time to gather thoughts on these.
The Zombies had the remarkable privilege of being a 60s act inducted in 2019. They even performed themselves. They didn't do too bad for their age. The Zombies emerged during the 1960s while in their 20s. They had a few Top 10 hits in the 60s. They actually disbanded before Time of the Season was a huge hit. Rod Argent had success with his Prog band Argent. And decades later the Zombies reunited. And were then inducted.
Now Def Leppard was inducted in 2019. They were the cool Headliner. They were one of the biggest Hard Rock bands of the 1980s. I remember the success of Pyromania when it came out. Despite the Tragedy for Rick Allen losing his arm Def Leppard came back strong with Hysteria in 1987. I like that album quite a bit too. Def Leppard reached their height with Hysteria. During the 1990s they were on the decline. They had some success with ADRENALIZE. It's not as intense. I just checked out Slang last week. It's a strange album. It's from 1996. Ok. That's a quick recap of the Zombies and Def Leppard. Go ahead guys. Let me hear from ya!

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/26/2021 @ 14:57pm

Do you guys think that The Bangles could get a nomination next year in the wake of The Go-Go's getting in this year?. I absolutely think that they could, but unlike The Go-Go's, I don't think that they'll get in on their first try, The Zombies would vote for them because Susanna Hoffs inducted them along with the aforementioned The Go-Go's, But I'm not sure anyone else will sadly.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/27/2021 @ 11:13am

If this doesn't tell the ignorant rock purists why the RRHOF is worthy of multiple, non-headbanging genres, nothing will:

https://ringsidereport.com/?p=103825

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 05/27/2021 @ 11:20am

On Def Leppard Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.
It's 1 of my FAV Inductions as Def Leppard was my 1st band I loved. I think it could have been the cool Pyromania cover as well as the Union Jacks they would wear. Mostly, it was the incredible guitar work, songs, and vocals & harmony. High energy type songs. I just loved the sound of the Def Leppard guitars and songs. Pyromania will always be in my Top 5 albums. Every song could have been a hit. My FAV song is probably Photograph from Pyromania. I also enjoyed the video. Rock Of Ages is a close 2nd. It seems only yesterday my sister and I were listening to her records. Probably Duran Duran. It also had a radio function. Rick Allen had been in an accident. He was lucky to survive but would lose his arm. I remember thinking at a young age...This could be not good for a drummer. I give Def Leppard plenty of credit and sticking by their friend. It would have been easy to find another drummer. Def Leppard was on fire in the mid 1980's and probably could have selected 1 of the best drummers in rock. They also changed their sound and built a state of the art kit for Rick Allen to learn and play. Everything worked out as Hysteria was another Diamond Album. So many great songs. My FAV is probably Hysteria. I just love listening to it. I would say it is a masterpiece. Animal is an uptempo rocker. Probably my 2nd FAV. Pour Some Sugar On Me might have been their biggest hit on the album. Armageddon It was a great song too. Love Bites is a FAV of many but I have it around 5th. I like the Adrenalize and Slang albums. My FAV song off Adrenalize would be Tonight. Def Leppard was smart to change their sound on Slang as the alternative train was in high gear. All I Want is Everything might be my FAV off slang. Blood Runs Cold another solid one.
Def Leppard was an easy choice for Rock & Roll HOF. They had 2 of the highest selling and best albums of the 1980's...Pyromania and Hysteria. Rose above incredible tragedy. Allen's arm situation, Steve Clark's death, etc. They have sold millions of albums and have a big fan in Taylor Swift. I was surprised the Taylor Swift and Def Leppard collaboration was better than I thought. The Hysteria with her sounds good. Joe Elliott isn't the greatest vocalist but squeezes all the talent out of his voice. He sounds as good today as he did in the 1980's. Rock Of Ages! KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 05/27/2021 @ 17:17pm

King,
That's a cool review as always. You give great posts. I figured you'd have a bunch to say about Def Leppard. It seemed like 1 of my FAV Inductions is Def Leppard. There is a cool Pyromania cover as well as the Union Jacks they would wear. Mostly, it was the incredible guitar work, songs, and vocals & harmony. It is High energy type songs. I also loved the sound of the Def Leppard guitars and songs. Pyromania will always be in my Top 20 albums. There is a lot of hits. My FAV song is probably also Photograph from Pyromania. I like Stage Fright a lot. I have a very good friend that played Pyromania album all the time. Rick Allen had been in an accident. He was lucky to survive but would lose his arm. I remember I was in College at the time. I give Def Leppard plenty of credit and sticking by their friend. It would have been easy to find another drummer. Def Leppard was on fire in the mid 1980's. I guess they never considered doing thst. They also changed their soun. Building a state of the art kit for Rick Allen to learn and play was a great idea. Everything worked out as Hysteria was another huge hit album. So many great songs. I like Pour Some Sugar on Me, Armageddon It and Gods of War. Thanks for mentioning tunes from Adrenalize and Slang. I never owned or listened to those. I heard they changed their sound on Slang.
It certainly is an easy choice for the Rock and Roll HOF. The 2 huge albums Pyromania and Hysteria is a good reason for that. They were one of the best selling bands of the 1980s. King Thank you man. I will be gearing up to detail the 2020 class. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/28/2021 @ 06:33am

Ok. I will now begin covering the 2020 Rock and roll Hall of Fame. The inductees were announced as usual in a Jan. The Ceremony was set for May 2020. BUT as we know America was struck with the worst Medical crisis of All time. We call it the Pandemic. It paralyzed everything starting in March 2020. All Events were cancelled including the 2020 Rock and Roll HOF ceremony. As we know it was postponed to Nov. 2020.
As it got closer the Ceremony was again cancelled. But we were given a Special presentation for 2020. I felt bad that there would be No performance of Doobie Brothers or a Whitney Houston tribute. I even felt bad for Depeche Mode. I am Not even a fan one bit. I'll explain later. Anyway it was a bad year for the Hall.
And so I will begin with in order for the Special just like a Ceremony. I will begin with the Doobie Brothers. So guys you can gather your thoughts on the Doobies. They were a great band of the 1970s left out until Now. Stay tuned.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/29/2021 @ 05:58am

How is it that Metallica is a first ballot Hall of Famer but not Judas Priest or Iron Maiden?

Posted by Chris on Saturday, 05/29/2021 @ 19:13pm

Chris, that's an excellent question. Metallica deserve their place in the Hall. The fact that Judas Priest & Iron Maiden are BOTH still shut out is beyond insulting.

Posted by Johnny on Saturday, 05/29/2021 @ 19:52pm

2022 Female Nominees Predictions:

The B-52's (Kate Pierson and Cindy Wilson)
Pat Benatar
Mary J. Blige
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan
Eurythmics (Annie Lennox)
Pixies (Kim Deal)
Sonic Youth (Kim Gordon)
Dionne Warwick

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/31/2021 @ 09:56am

Alright I will now start the Class of 2020. It was Not a Ceremony the way it worked out. Due to the horrible Pandemic we've been stuck in. What we did get is a Special for the 2020 RnR Hall of Fame. The first act In this Special was the Doobie Brothers. Yes I do admit as a Classic rock fan this is my Fav act of the 2020 class. But I am somewhat diverse and like or respect a few acts for 2020.
I have great memories of the Doobie Brothers. I recall Listening to hits of the Doobies when I was as young as 8. The first hit I ever heard was Listen to the Music. It was always on the radio. I also like Long Train Runnin, China Grove and Black Water around roughly the same time. I am not really huge fan of Doobie Brothers. The album I'm most interested in is Best of Doobies. It's got the biggest hits of the earlier period. I will continue with Doobie Brothers very Soon.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/31/2021 @ 17:41pm

So, where do we go from here? This is a mixed bag of 2021 inductees for three well-deserving female artists: Tina Turner, Carole King and The Go-Go's and of course- Todd Rundgren, although in my honest opinion, his work as a non-performer far outweighs his work as a performer. The fact that Fela Kuti did not receive an award for musical excellence is also somewhat surprising. As far as the inductions of the Foo-Fighters and Jay-Z are concerned, I would say that it was still way too soon for both, although Dave Grohl probably did deserve an award from the Rock Hall for his being a rock and roll ambassador to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

Now as far as the induction of Kraftwerk as an early influence is concerned, that leaves me somewhat cold. Why didn't the Rock Hall place Kraftwerk on the ballot, instead? The recent well-deserved long-overdue induction of Depeche Mode in 2020, should almost have guaranteed another nomination and possible induction for Kraftwerk this year.

Another thing that bothers me is that no other deserving ladies were inducted either. The Rock Hall could have used both their Musical Excellence and Early Influence categories, in order to induct more women. But rather sadly, they did not. I am also extremely disappointed that neither Kate Bush, nor Dionne Warwick have yet been inducted as performers, as well.

On a positive note, the induction of Carole King should finally lead to well- deserved long overdue nominations and inductions for Carly Simon and possibly Jim Croce. Also, the inductions of the Go-Go's should lead to a long deserved nomination and induction for The Bangles. Hopefully, Sade will benefit from Tina Turner's long overdue and well-deserved induction, also.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06/1/2021 @ 07:09am

I will get really into detailing Doobie Brothers. The Doobie Brothers are very deserved for the Hall They have lots of hits and lots of Albums. Also they had success with 2 different singers. When Tom Johnston couldn't stay they got Michael McDonald. Doobie Brothers have had a long career.
They named themselves in fact after a slang term for marijuana. When they started they earned a strong following throughout Southern California, especially among Hell's Angels. Now there's some tough guys. The band's debut was ignored. Tom Johnston and John Hartman formed the band as well as Patrick Simmons. Tiran Porter was added. The 1972 album Toulouse Street was their first success. And then came the Captain and Me in 1973. I know these album pretty darn well. I slightly prefer the first singer Tom Johnston. This is when they had their country rock and blues sounds. More on Doobie Brothers later. Anyone should chime in and get a review and experiences of Doobie Bros going.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/1/2021 @ 08:32am

I will detail more stuff on Doobie Brothers. I will say now that it makes sense that there is less Old Rock acts Now. I would NOT have supported Doobie Brothers to be inducted 20 years ago. They are NOT as essential as Let's say Elton John,Rod Stewart, Steely Dan, Chicago, Yes Moody Blues and many others. But since all of those are In Hey it's cool to have the Doobie Brothers. IMO the Doobie Brothers are not as Overdue as one may think.
And soo to continue a bit. They added a member on guitar I think in 1974 for their Next Album
What were one Vices are Now Habits. I think that's an appropriate Album title for the time. This was followed by Stampede in the middle of 1975. 2 of my Fav Doobie songs are on here. Those are I Cheat the Hangman and Rainy Day Crossroad Blues. I like some Doobie songs besides the Hits. I owned Captain and Me and also Stampede long long ago on Vinyl. Currently I only own Best of Doobies with Downloads. That's it for now. Where are you guys?

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/1/2021 @ 13:45pm

I will now continue with Doobie Brothers. What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits,launched their first number one single, "Black Water," and featured heavy contributions from former Steely Dan member Jeff "Skunk" Baxter. Baxter officially joined the Doobie Brothers for 1975's Stampede. Prior to the album's spring release, Johnston was hospitalized with a stomach ailment and was replaced for the supporting tour by keyboardist/vocalist Michael McDonald, who had also worked with Steely Dan. Although it was a Top 10 album, Stampede wasn't as commercially successful as its three predecessors, and the group decided to let McDonald and Baxter, who were now official Doobies, revamp the band's whole sound.
The new sound was showcased on 1976's Takin' It to the Streets, a collection of light funk and jazzy pop that resulted in a huge album. Later that year, the group released the hits compilation The Best of the Doobies. That's the album I relate to the most. The Doobies released their most successful album, Minute by Minute (1978), which spent five weeks at number one on the strength of the number one single "What a Fool Believes." There's a couple guys that left the group after the album's supporting tour, leaving the Doobie Brothers as McDonald's backing band.
Following a year of auditions, the Doobies hired a few other guys and released One Step Closer (1980), a huge album that produced the Top Ten hit "Real Love." During the tour for One Step Closer. Early in 1982, the Doobie Brothers announced they were breaking up after a farewell tour, which was documented on the 1983 live album Farewell Tour. I actually prefer Tom Johnston a bit more than Michael McDonald. I like the hits on Takin it to the Streets album but not much else with McDonald. In 1987, the Doobies reunited for a concert at the Hollywood Bowl, which quickly became a brief reunion tour; McDonald declined to participate in the tour.
By 1989 the early 70s line up had recorded an album. Their album, Cycles was big upon its release in Summer 1989 featuring the hit the Doctor. I like a couple tunes on this. Brotherhood followed 2 years later in 1991, but it failed to do well. I don't even know that one at all. For the rest of the 90s the group toured the US playing the oldies circuit and 70s revival shows. I remember ads each year for that..
Some of my favorite songs by the Doobie Brothers are Listen to the Music, Long Train Runnin, China Grove, South City Midnight Lady, Evil Woman(it's on Captain and ME), Black Water, I Cheat the Hangman, Rainy Day Crossroad Blues, Takin' it to the Streets and It Keeps You Runnin. I only own Best of Doobies currently. I wouldn't call myself a huge fan. They are Ok. by 2019 they were specializing in shows spotlighting their albums Toulouse Street and the Captain and Me. I saw the Doobie Brothers finally after all those years in 2019. The world was struck with the Coronavirus Pandemic in 2020. Doobie Brothers were inducted but there was No ceremony. The opening segment at the Special was the Doobie Brothers. There was a country guy talking about them but I forgot who and also Nancy Wilson.of Heart. That's it on the Doobie Brothers.
Up next I will review Notorious BIG. That's totally different but he has his place. That's it for Now. .

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/1/2021 @ 21:56pm

One piece to add about the Doobies. In the late 70s/early 80s, a talented saxophonist/vocalist named Cornelius Bumpus added a new flavor to the keyboard/guitar driven band when he contributed his talents. If you haven't watched their "farewell concert" various videos of 1982 on YouTube, I would recommend doing so. This man was an immense talent and perfect for their multi-instrumental sound; sadly, he passed in 2005. His vocals on "Long Train Runnin" proved he wasn't just a mouthpiece either.

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 06/2/2021 @ 11:21am

K Dawg,
That's excellent that you add that one piece on the Doobie Brothers,. I never heard of him. I will watch some "farewell concert" videos of 1982 to see what you mean. I guess he was playing saxophone on the Minute by Minute album. That seems kind of likely. You got a lot of knowledge of the music. Coool

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/2/2021 @ 15:27pm

It should also be noted that The Doobie Brothers appeared in a 2 part episode called "Doobie or not Doobie" of the 70s sitcom What's Happening where they attempted to educate the public on the horrors of bootlegging.

Posted by joker on Wednesday, 06/2/2021 @ 15:43pm

joker,
That memory of the Doobie Brothers I remember. I saw that during the 70s on What's Happening. I was about 11 or so. I watched What's Happening. Not as much as Barney Miller and Six million Dollar Man but I did. But that's a tangent. Anyway I saw the Doobie Brothers on What's Happening.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/3/2021 @ 04:00am

I now get to Notorious BIG. I am Not a big fan of Rap music at all. But heythe Notorious B.I.G. is one of the most famous Rap guys of all time. It's more difficult to cover an act I don't like that much. But several have pointed out that you need to go beyond what you truly like. I was a manager at Cd Music stores in the 1990s. SO I came across the name all the time. My store had a CD Changer. Rap was Not allowed to be played due to Harsh language. Our music chain had a large Older clientele that was Over 50. But Notorious BIG came in the shipments. I blanked out on most Rap during the 90s due to some love for Alternative and also Folk and Jazz.
Alright then The Notorious BIG was born and raised in the 1970s in Broooklyn's Bedford Stuyvesant. He was a teenager when he adopted the name Biggie Smalls. I know he sold crack. He was busted in North Carolina.
The rapper made his recording debut on a 1993 remix of Mary J Blige's single Real Love. I recall this while working at the music stores. They were called the Wall music. The Notorious BIG delivered his debut album, Ready to Die in Sept 1994. Its first hit Juicy is the only one I know from him. That's If You don't Know Now you Know... I heard it during the 90s but I didn't pay much attention. There was rumors of Biggie's involvement in Tupac Shakur's death. On March 9, 1997 Notorious BIG was shot down with six to ten shots.
In the aftermath Life After Death was released in 1997. I'm not into Gangsta Rap so I stop right here. In 2020 the Notorious BIG was inducted into the Hall. He is deserved because he is a key Rap act. He was in the 2020 Class that couldn't get a ceremony due to the horrible Pandemic. He was fourth induction of the night I think in the HBO special. that aired last November. Jay-Z called him a brilliant songwriter during his segment. Sean Diddy Combs spoke too about Biggie. His children accept induction. I thought it was the right thing to cover Biggie. I heard more songs recently. It's not that bad. During the 90s I did Not pay attention because I am a Rock guy. Ok guys that's Biggie. Some of you can definitely elaborate. Please do.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/3/2021 @ 05:23am

I'll add a little about Biggie, not as versed on him as much as Tupac as I was much more into West Coast rap in the 90s. He had too short a career, there was so much made of the beef he had with Pac, that it's almost impossible to separate their untimely murders as coincidental. It is one of the most compelling unsolved stories of the 90s, and it showed just how real the rap wars and gangsta was. Into his music, I didn't really go with him from album to album, but his signature song is "Big Poppa"; I recommend that be the song you check out. He also did the more upbeat "Hypnotize" on his final album. I can say, he was the influence for a large family of rappers on the east coast; led by the aforementioned and immensely talented Puffy Combs, his proteges also included Lil Kim, Faith Evans, Junior MAFIA, and later Eve, and trickling down with Ja Rule, Ashanti, and others into the early 2000s. We'll always love Big Poppa, as the song says...

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 06/3/2021 @ 07:13am

K Dawg,
That was great the way you added things on Biggie. I'm not versed on Rap in general. I sampled his song "Big Poppa" yesterday on My I tunes. I've had I tunes for years. It turns out I do know it. It samples the terrific tune "Between the Sheets" by the Isley Brothers which I know very well. I'm a suburban type guy that grew up completely on Rock. But I do like a substantial amount of old R&B. So anyway as soon as I clicked the sample I knew "BIg Poppa". I remember it cause of that Isleys sample. Rap was a blur during the 90s as a Rock guy. I followed some alternative like Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and some Alice in Chains. I even checked out the band Bush, etc. And of course there was my usual classic Rock I listened to with Neil Young, E Clapton, Who, :Led Zep, Steely Dan, Fleetwood Mac etc etc. And then of course I was in my Folk and Jazz phase. So that's why Rap in the 90s was a blur. Thank you for the add ons for Biggie.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 06/4/2021 @ 03:51am

I know a lot of people here like Depeche Mode. They have a large body of work. They have also had a tremendous success since the 1980s. It's for those reasons they are deserved of induction in the Hall. Having said that I will tell you I don't own anything by Depeche Mode. They are just not my thing. They never were. I'm covering them briefly because I have knowledge of them since I was in my 20s during the 80s. I'm not a big New wave guy at all. So I have an alternate view on them. I will say that their induction can lead to New wave acts I like a bit more like Duran Duran and INXS.
The 2 members I know are David Gahan and Martin Gore. My new wave friends During the 80s filled me in on them. I do know the song Just Can't Get Enough. and I know the debut album was called Speak and Spell. Depeche Mode were one of the biggest of the synth pop acts in the 80s.
Some Great Reward, issued in 1984, was their artistic and commercial breakthrough, as Gore's dark, kinky preoccupations with spiritual doubt ("Blasphemous Rumours") and psychosexual manipulation ("Master and Servant") came to the fore; the equality single "People Are People" was a major hit on both sides of the Atlantic and typified the music's turn toward more industrial textures. This is another song I heard a lot.
Other albums followed like Black With the alternative music boom of the early '90s, Depeche Mode emerged as one of the world's most popular acts. The huge Violator, released in 1990, was a Top Ten smash that spawned the hits "Personal Jesus", "Enjoy the Silence," "Policy of Truth," and "World in My Eyes." Riding the success of Violator, their 1993 LP Songs of Faith and Devotion -- featuring a significant amount of guitars was another huge success.
Depeche Mode I think were on Hiatus a lot in the 90s. I am NOT a fan. They are not my thing. Depeche Mode were honored as inductees to the RnR Hall of Fame in 2020. That's it for now. This was another difficult act for me to cover. If anything I covered the Rap act a little better. Expand on this guys! K Dawg go for it!

Posted by Ben on Friday, 06/4/2021 @ 07:18am

Next year will mark the 10th anniversary of the special committee. I propose another one.

INDUCTEES
Wings
The Wailers
The Belmonts
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Patti Smith Group
The Steve Miller Band
The Silver Bullet Band
Bob Welch
Crazy Horse
The Revolution

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 06/4/2021 @ 18:35pm

Hey Everyone,
Some of you should detail Depeche Mode. I like having other Regulars or anybody Sharing their knowledge. Up next is T Rex. They were next In the HBO special. I think. They were key for Glam Rock. This movement was also called Glitter rock. I don't hear that term anymore. T Rex were very important to the Glam/Glitter rock movement. I know a bit about them. Stay tuned

Posted by Ben on Friday, 06/4/2021 @ 19:27pm

The only good thing about the back door inductions is that other artists who have not been nominated will get a shot at induction.

Posted by Chris on Friday, 06/4/2021 @ 19:36pm

Posting this again since there is no edit function

INDUCTEES
Wings
The Wailers
The Belmonts
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Patti Smith Group
The Steve Miller Band
The Silver Bullet Band
The Jeff Beck Group
Crazy Horse
The Revolution

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 06/4/2021 @ 21:10pm

2022 SPECIAL COMMITTEE
Wings
The Wailers
The Belmonts
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Patti Smith Group
The Steve Miller Band
The Silver Bullet Band
The Jeff Beck Group
Crazy Horse
The Revolution

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 06/4/2021 @ 21:12pm

T. Rex were also inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame in 2020. They were a key act in the Glam Rock movement. I originally knew this movement as the Glitter Rock movement. Does anyone know what happened to that term? T Rex was formed and led by Marc Bolan. For a couple years T Rex were the biggest band In England and were a strong cult band In the United States. Their popularity didn't last very long but their influence sure did. Marc Nolan's style would show their Influence on Metal, Punk, New wave and more.
An interesting fact is Bolan is a condensing of Bob Dylan. Marc Bolan was in a psychedelic band in the late 60s. He launched the acoustic duo Tyrannosaurus Rex during 1968 together with a guy named Steve Took. After a bunch of albums this band moved away from the Hippie scene they were in. They changed their name to T Rex. Bolan got into hats and glittery outfits. The release of Electric Warrior in Sept 1971. Brought huge success. It established T Rex as one of Britain's biggest Bands, while also launching the Glam/glitter rock movement. That's it for now. More on T Rex soon

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 06/5/2021 @ 06:40am

Ben,

T. Rex, IMO, is one of the most important bands in the development of rock. As you said, they were the forefront of Glam Rock. Literally go to their Allmusic page and you will see the influence and impact they did to huge and small bands, well-known in fact. It is shame that this band did not get much fanfare as the rest of the class from Rock Hall Watchers and casual audiences. The band left an impression on me so much when I first discovered them. Electric Warrior, The Slider, and Tanx are the trilogy of Glam Rock greatness.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 06/6/2021 @ 03:08am

I will continue with T. Rex. The album featured two U.K. hit singles, "Jeepster" and "Bang a Gong (Get It On)," and while Jeepster made little impact in the United States, the latter cracked the American Top 40, and T. Rex developed a growing cult following in the United States. That's why Bang a Gong is a known Rock classic.
As "T. Rexstasy" as it was called took hold in the U.K. and Europe, Bolan and his band released The Slider in July 1972, which offered more of the group's crunchy hard rock boogie. I know Slider somewhat although I have not heard it in a long time. The album was another huge album in the U.K. and was also a success in the US This album was also recorded while a film was being made about Bolan and T. Rex, Born to Boogie, directed by the legendary Ringo Starr. But neither of the two singles, "Telegram Sam" nor "Metal Guru," made much of an impression in the United States, T. Rex released Tanx, issued in January 1973, and the album rose no further than number 102 in America, and it received very average reviews in the U.K. and Europe, though sales there were still impressive. I'll have to check our Tanx sometime soon. I don't know this one. I've heard of it.
Other albums I've never heard of were released in 1975 and 76. Bolan had a son with the woman, Gloria Jones and returned to England to host a music show. It featured performances by David Bowie and new stars on the Punk Rock scene like the Jam and Generation X. Bolan was doing well and was clearly connecting to the new Punk Rock scene. He released one more Album But he died in an auto accident on Sept. 16, 1977. I am not an expert on 1970s Glam Rock but I like some. There have been many covers of T. Rex songs from acts like Guns n'Roses, Violent Femmes and the Powet Station. I think I know those. T.Rex was honored as an inductee into the RnR Hall of Fame in 2020. It was the Seventh Induction of the HBO special. Billy Idol talked about this TV show Marc Bolan was Doing and having different punk groups on like his group. Rolan Bolan, the son accepts induction on behalf of his father and T. Rex. Ok, that's it on T. Rex. This is an act for 2020 I'm into a bit. Plebeian gave a great post on T. Rex before. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 06/6/2021 @ 06:09am

Plebeian,
You had a great post on T. Rex. I go to Allmusic a lot. Ha I went to their Allmusic page. It's where I get refreshed and learn a lot of these facts. But I do NOT simply write what they say. I interpret it on my own. On the T. Rex Allmusic page it says that all Kinds of acts like Guns n'Roses, Violent Femmes and the Power Station have covered their songs. I think the Replacements were mentioned.
You're right this band did Not het as much Fanfare and attention as the rest of the class from Rock Hall Watchers and casual Fans of the Hall. Hey they got the Votes last us at though. A lot of Old Rock legends and Critics know them well

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 06/6/2021 @ 16:54pm

So, for Depeche Mode. I discovered them in the late 80s. They did have a different sound, indeed. I did like some new wave as I had grown up around it. As a kid, you incorporate the music, as any experience, as part of your definition of "normal". A father who listened to rock and a mother who listened to oldies and R&B kind of shaped my unique taste in music. I don't know how I can explain, but Depeche Mode, to me, was chill music. I hadn't really experienced techno/trance (that was a whole new experience in the late 90s and into the 2000s, and an adventure that really I am sworn to secrecy lmao); yet, they were my first taste of Euro pop style music. Something about their style really intrigued me, as it was so different from the guitar driven rock and bubble gum or soft melodic pop I had been exposed to. What I'm trying to say is, they are probably the first uniquely European style music group to hit it big in the United States. For that reason, they are deeply influential and RRHOF worthy. I know this isn't a typical review and recap of their successes (and they have plenty of good story to go into that), but it is definitely a good testimonial to how it opened up one young kid's world into the vast array of music I listen to and appreciate now.

That said, my favorite songs by DP are "People Are People", "Strange Love", "Everything Counts" and especially "It's No Good"

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 06/7/2021 @ 00:42am

K Dawg,
Thank you again. Nobody is into every single act and genre Ever made. I find you are quite a bit younger than me. But this means your perspective for Depeche Mode and other synth New Wave is better than mine. Like I said they have a large body of Work. You're right they are the first European style group to it big In America. BUT it's not my thing. Then again as far as my own tastes one would associate me with let's say George Thorogood let's say. To be objective Depeche Mode should be inducted before G Thorogood. I used him here as a contrast since George is not inducted. Now that's objective. Depeche Mode before him even though I'm an Old guitar rock fan. Good job with D Mode.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/7/2021 @ 06:14am

I now come to Whitney Houston. She was the final act of the 2020 HBO special for the Hall. Whitney Houston was honored as an Inductee in 2020. It makes sense to have her as the final act. I would assume a Whitney Houston tribute would have been the Headliner had all things been normal. I would love to know the original plans for the Spring 2020 Ceremony if the Pandemic NEVER existed and things were completely normal. Someone please let me know. Specifically let me know if Whitney Houston was planned as headliner. A tribute to her would have been monumental. This is a What of situation. In any case it was a good segment.
Whitney Houston was one of the biggest pop stars of all time. Her accomplishments as a star were amazing. She is Very deserved of induction. Yeah I'm an Old Rock guy . She had some crappy songs BUT she has a Killer voice. She is Not Rock really but I give her a pass because she is Such a huge pop star. Also it was chance for Females to shine in the Hall. Stay tuned

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/8/2021 @ 06:22am

Ben,

I really was not an aficionado of Depeche Mode's music either. Then I had read 'Nick Bambach's blogs: "The Audio-Visual Repository: Perspectives On Popular Culture" and "Strangelove: Why Depeche Mode's Induction Into The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Matters" and had decided to purchase "Spirits In The Forest" on BluRay. Listening to the testimonials of various individuals around the world in their documentary had inspired me to check out more of their discography. I had discovered that The Depeche Mode fan base had been as passionate as Rush's fanbase. That had further intrigued me, to purchase their "Best Of Depeche Mode" compilation and their "Video Singles Collection." Then I had purchased the extended version of "Violator" on cd. My favorite songs by Depeche Mode are: 'Enjoy The Silence,' 'Precious' and 'Walking In My Shoes.'

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06/8/2021 @ 08:06am

I'll continue with Whitney Houston. Whitney Houston was able to do big adult contemporary ballads, smooth dance hits and Slick soul with equal ways. She became one of the first Black artists to find success on MTV in the wake of the frenzy for Michael Jackson.
Whitney Houston was born in 1963. Her mother was gospel singer Cissy Houston. Her cousin is Dionne Warwick.
ouston's debut album, "Whitney Houston",was released in February 1985. "You Give Good Love," became Houston's first hit, topping the R&B chart and hitting number three on the Hot 100. Houston's next three singles -- "Saving All My Love for You," the brightly danceable "How Will I Know," and the inspirational "The Greatest Love of All" -- all Number one and a year to the month after its release, It eventually sold over 13 million copies in the U.S., making it the best-selling debut ever by a female artist. Houston cemented her superstar status on her next album, Whitney; it became the first album by a female artist to debut at number one, and sold over nine million copies in the U.S. Its first four singles -- "I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me)" , "Didn't We Almost Have It All," "So Emotional," and "Where Do Broken Hearts Go" -- all hit number one, an amazing, record-setting run of seven straight. In late 1988, she had another hit with One Moment In Time. I know all these. My fiancée loves these hits.
Now with her third album, I'm Your Baby Tonight, in 1990. A more R&B-oriented record, it immediately brought two number one hits in the title track and "All the Man That I Need." But the quality of the material was generally viewed as,much weaker than her previous efforts, and following those two hits, sales of the album tapered off quickly, halting at around four million copies. Nevertheless, Houston remained so popular that she could even take a recording of "The Star Spangled Banner" (performed at the Super Bowl) into the Top 20 -- though, of course, the Gulf War had something to do with that. In retrospect, the erratic quality of I'm Your Baby Tonight seemed to signal Houston's declining interest in making fully fleshed-out albums. Instead, she began to focus on an acting career.
She starred in the Bodyguard and had that huge number one hit I'll Always Love You. Also she married Bobby Brown. That sadly brought on problems.
She returned to her Gospel roots with Preachers Wife soundtrack in 1996. She was in the Tabloids a lot from 2000 to 2005. She eventually toured for the first time in years during 2010. In 2011 she was supposed to record a New album but instead entered intense REHAB for Drug and alcohol problems. She was found dead on Feb. 11, 2012. She is talented but it's sad about her death from Drugs.
Whitney Houston was inducted in 2020. I have a couple favorites from her I suppose. Didn't We Almost Have it All, For the Love You and I'm Your Baby Tonight are good songs. That's it on Whitney Houston. She was the closest thing to a Universal act and Thus the likely Headline. This ends my SERIES. I want thoughts and feedback on Whitney Houston and alll 2020 Inductees!!

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/9/2021 @ 08:32am

Ben,

Did you do Nine Inch Nails? I didn't see it...sorry

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 06/9/2021 @ 08:44am

K Dawg,
Ha. No I did NOT. You are very perceptive. My policy since my series began is if I have Never listened at alll to an act and know tooo little I skip it. I skipped them on purpose. I even had things to describe and share recently on Janet Jackson, The Cure, Notorious BIG and now Whitney. BUT I have a gap of Knowledge with NINE Inch Nails. I was waiting for somebody to notice that. LOL.
I came to know BIG a bit and Of course Whitney. And of course I like plenty of Doobie Bros. I was looking to wrap this up and figured there must be plenty that can cover NIN. This one I'm too much a Blank on. K Dawg you seem like you can cover them. Go for it

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/9/2021 @ 13:36pm

I can go in several different directions with NIN. First off, unlike most RRHOF bands, NIN essentially is Trent Reznor. There are other notable musicians that have come and some have gone, but he is the constant. He is creative, the face and the voice of this band. I will admit, I don't have the widest range of knowledge of their entire career, but I do know them from the late 80s into the 90s. To me, like Def Leppard with Pyromania and Hysteria, their legacy is steeped in 2 albums, 1989's Pretty Hate Machine and 1994' Downward Spiral. The most recognizable songs by NIN were "Down In It" "Terrible Lie" and "Head Like A Hole" from Pretty Hate Machine. They were classified as industrial rock, and they definitely have an electronic sound, but they are the pioneers of a genre some don't even claim is a real genre. To me, it defined the sound and evolution of heavy metal well into the beginning of the new century. I am referring to "nu metal", which Korn, Linkin Park, Disturbed, and many others derive their distinct sounds from. It is definitely a polarizing sound to many, who bemoan the "death of guitar rock", but I see it as an evolution. It kept the terrestrial contemporary rock station relevant as musical tastes have gone in different directions and more towards pop.

Downward Spiral, upon its release in 1994, honestly brought NIN their biggest mainstream notoriety, the sexually charged "Closer". It is probably one of the first songs that people that pay passing attention realize was edited for radio; it's impossible to think the censored lyrics have any sensical logic, or that it's about anything other than sex. Despite the fact that Tipper Gore and her movement against objectionable lyrics was in full swing at this point, "Closer" became a smash hit. Other songs off the album were "Piggy", "Heresy", "March of the Pigs", and "Hurt", made famous by Johnny Cash's haunting rendition a decade later just before his death.

After these albums put them on the map, NIN was again a pioneer of a new type of music, as they were one of the first bands who became even bigger because of the advent of the Internet. Songs like "The Perfect Drug", "The Hand That Feeds", and "Starf*****s, Inc", became rave mainstays and gave young fans of music something different and unique to follow. As the pioneers of nu metal and Internet rock, Nine Inch Nails turned the traditional rock formula on its head completely, and really created the atmosphere for the direction rock music itself took in the early 2000s.

Not the most comprehensive critique, but my thoughts on the band that is Nine Inch Nails. Thoughts?

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 06/9/2021 @ 14:41pm

K Dawg,
You were better off covering NIN. I am diverse. I like Traditional and old Rock the best but also like other Genres. Yeah I could have looked at info on Allmusic but I couldn't combine it with Personal memories and knowledge. I can actually relate much better to Whitney and that genre. It's songs I at least know and can hum. Hey at least I covered acts in different genres.
It's ironic in a way.!I dug some Alternative. But Pearl Jam Abe Soundgarden are much more Conventional Rock. NIN Is definitely not my thing. I have a question. You said there are other musicians that have come and Gone but Trent Reznot is a constant. Did you mean in NIN or in the music world. Let me know that. I'm curious. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/9/2021 @ 17:32pm

Ben,
It was in NIN. When the announcement first came out that they were going to be nominated, Trent was the only person mentioned as a representative of the band. It really is his face that is the band. There are other musicians who are a part of it, but Trent has endured as the face. Really, he is what Axl Rose wanted to be in GnR when they tanked. The success story as opposed to the fall from grace.

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 06/9/2021 @ 18:54pm

Enig,
I did manage to Cover Depeche Mode. I was never a fan. Perhaps this is also because I'm not a Total aficionado on Old Prog either I like a bunch of that but also love Blues Rock and Folk Rock a lot. I do however have knowledge of Depeche M. I Never owned anything from them. I did at least know the Album Titles. They have a large body of Work.
I'm not interested at all in the Documentary but they deserve induction because of the body of work and influence. They can pave the way for Duran Duran who I do like to a degree.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/10/2021 @ 17:17pm

Once again, does anyone know when tickets for the ceremony go on sale? Now that I live in Cleveland I want to go.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 06/10/2021 @ 21:59pm

Enig,
I will now do an overall assessment of the 2020 class. I address you on this because you started this idea Of the assessments of the Classes. I took it to be Assessment of an artist. Unlike others who are Huge rock fans I do not scorn Other genres. I don't scorn Rap and certainly do not scorn R&B. So I do not scorn BIG. I thought he was a nifty sort of Rapper. Even though he was Gangsta. And hey Whitney Houston was very talented. The music is nice but those Drugs were her terrible trouble. The Doobie Brothers are my fav act for this class although they are slightly average compared to other Classic Rock inductees of the past. Here is my Assessment.

Depeche Mode-7/10(groundbreaking and Ok)

The Doobie Brothers-8/10(Very Good)

Whitney Houston-8/10(Very Good)

Nine Inch Nails-6/10(groundbreaking but average)

Notorious BIG-7.5/10(Good)

T. Rex-8.5/10(Very good)

Posted by Ben on Friday, 06/11/2021 @ 06:43am

That guy wasn't me, that was The Dude in disguise. I want tickets. Where can I get them?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 06/11/2021 @ 13:14pm

It's not clever or funny when you do this, The Dude, we know it's you every time. Also, gotta love how you made a big deal out of declaring that you were done posting here forever, and now you're not only still here, but are so put off by the idea that anyone would want to buy tickets that you just had to break your silence by pretending to be another poster.

Posted by RG on Friday, 06/11/2021 @ 14:01pm

Follower, I don't believe they have announced anything about tickets yet, but if I see anything I'll post it here. Hope you get to go!

Posted by RG on Friday, 06/11/2021 @ 14:03pm

On non-Motley Crue and DMB fanboys, I'd like to see an update on the more than 30/3 or fewer hits every hall of famer has. Do you mind, RG? You posted it on the Predictions page.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 06/11/2021 @ 14:41pm

King,
I just want to say the series is over. But your responses would be awesome to have. I figure you can detail Doobie Brothers and Whitney Houston. I love Doobie Brothers. They are very deserved. I first knew hits from then when I was about 8. And Depeche Mode Id say could an act you grew up with. NOT me. I wasn't Into all that Synth pop. The furthest I went was Flock of Seagulls. And I didn't stay with them too long. You see Depeche Mode started out at the same time as Flock of Seagulls. I wouldn't count A Flock inducted any time or ever! I'm aware the Depeche M had huge career. I did cover them.
And T REX is also an act I can see you detailing. K Dawg digs T REX. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Friday, 06/11/2021 @ 18:46pm

The Dude completely ignored the fact that the fan vote winner got in this year. Even including Tina, DMB is a major outliner.

They really should bring the kiosk back once...you know. I don't think solo Freddie Mercury would make a comeback, but who knows? (Or Motley Crue, for that matter)

Posted by Follower on Friday, 06/11/2021 @ 22:15pm

Ben,

I am not that big into T-Rex. I know Bang A Gong, and am passingly familiar with Tommy Bolin, but that's it. I think you meant Nine Inch Nails lol

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 06/11/2021 @ 23:51pm

BEN
Here's a few things on the RRHOF Inductees.
On Whitney Houston: God created a Masterpiece in her. Incredible beauty and vocal range. Easily 1 of the greatest singers of my lifetime. I think she was at the top of the mountain when The Bodyguard hit the theaters. She had a smash hit with "I Will Always Love You" and I think she did a great performance in the movie. My 1st memories of Whitney Houston when my sister and I purchased some 45's. It must have been around 1986. "How Will I Know" and "Greatest Love Of All" were 2 we purchased. Amazing vocal range and talent. She was a Superstar and had that "IT" factor. I can see why both men and women music fans fell in love with her. She also was remembered for probably the greatest Super Bowl National Anthem. That's when our Nation was at War. There was great patriotism and togetherness in the Country back in 1991. Wish we could see that again. Houston's 1990's and 2000's career decline coincided with a growing drug problem. She was in the news and tabloids from her bursts of strange behavior and pictures showing a thin frailer Whitney. As in many of these drug star situations, various enablers and hangers-on are part of the entourage. Some are family or long-time friends in a difficult situation. Speak out and tell the truth and lose living in a mansion or losing access to money and the famous places and parties the superstar can go. Whitney Houston appeared to spiral downward with limited appearances and concerts. Her death was a sad day for me and many others. A tremendous talent extinguished far too soon. Sure, there are those who blame Bobby Brown but Whitney in the end was responsible for her actions and life. I will try to remember her singing "How Will I Know" or "I Will Always Love You." A young, beautiful and talented singer. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 06/12/2021 @ 00:01am

K Dawg,
Ha I apologize. I Totally meant T. Rex. But I had the wrong person. It's Plebeian who LOVES and knows T.Rex. I love some T. Rex too. That's why I detailed T. Rex just fine. I know the album Electric Warrior very well. I heard Of the Tanx album. But that was Plebeian.
Plebeian digs T. Rex By the way Tommy Bolin was never in T. Rex. I don't think we was. You mixed it up. I can Google or I can check with Plebeian.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 06/12/2021 @ 03:50am

Arrrgh. I, of course, meant Marc Bolan...jeez

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 06/12/2021 @ 09:46am

Follower, I gotchu! Including Kraftwerk, Billy Preston, and LL Cool J because they all had charting singles and there are no rules.

Artists with 30 or more US hits:
Elvis Presley - 105
Elton John - 57
The Beatles - 51
JAY-Z - 50
Madonna - 49
Stevie Wonder - 47
Michael Jackson - 46
James Brown - 44
Aretha Franklin - 43
Marvin Gaye - 41
The Rolling Stones - 41
Paul McCartney - 40
The Beach Boys - 39
The Temptations - 38
Smokey Robinson & The Miracles - 38
Neil Diamond - 37
Fats Domino - 36
Ricky Nelson - 36
Chicago - 35
Janet Jackson - 35
Rod Stewart - 34
Ray Charles - 33
The Supremes - 33
Billy Joel - 32
Prince - 31
Bee Gees - 30
Whitney Houston - 30

Artists with 3 hits or fewer:
AC/DC - 3 (You Shook Me All Night Long, Back in Black, Moneytalks)
Allman Brothers Band - 3 (Ramblin' Man, Crazy Love, Straight From the Heart)
Beastie Boys - 3 (You Gotta Fight For Your Right to Party, Hey Ladies, Intergalactic)
Cream - 3 (Sunshine of Your Love, White Room, Crossroads)
The Cure - 3 (Just Like Heaven, Lovesong, Friday I'm In Love)
Deep Purple - 3 (Hush, Kentucky Woman, Smoke on the Water)
Eddie Cochran - 3 (Sittin' in the Balcony, Summertime Blues, C'mon Everybody)
Foo Fighters - 3 (Learn to Fly, Best of You, The Pretender)
Gene Vincent - 3 (Be-Bop-a-Lula, Lotta Lovin', Dance to the Bop)
The Moonglows - 3 (Sincerely, See Saw, Ten Commandments of Love)
Neil Young - 3 (Only Love Can Break Your Heart, Heart of Gold, Old Man)
Parliament-Funkadelic - 3 (Tear the Roof Off the Sucker(Give Up the Funk), Flash Light, One Nation Under a Groove)
Ruth Brown - 3 ((Mama) He Treats Your Daughter Mean, Lucky Lips, This Little Girl's Done Rockin')
Sam & Dave - 3 (Hold On I'm Comin', Soul Man, I Thank You)
Small Faces/Faces - 3 (Itchycoo Park, Stay With Me, I Know I'm Losing You)
Talking Heads - 3 (Take Me to the River, Burning Down the House, Wild Wild Life)
The Zombies - 3 (She's Not There, Tell Her No, Time of the Season)
The Band - 2 (Up on Cripple Creek, Don't Do It)
The Clash - 2 (Train in Vain, Rock the Casbah)
Elvis Costello & the Attractions - 2 (Everyday I Write the Book, Veronica)
The Flamingos - 2 (I Only Have Eyes For You, Nobody Loves Me Like You)
Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers - 2 (Why Do Fools Fall in Love, I Want You To Be My Girl)
Janis Joplin - 2 (Piece of My Heart, Me and Bobby McGee)
Jefferson Airplane - 2 (9 including Jefferson Starship, 15 including Starship) - (Somebody to Love, White Rabbit)
Jimmy Cliff - 2 (Wonderful World Beautiful People, I Can See Clearly Now)
Jimmy Reed - 2 (Honest I Do, Baby What You Want Me To Do)
Joan Baez - 2 (The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, Diamonds and Rust)
Nine Inch Nails - 2 (The Day the World Went Away, The Hand That Feeds)
Nirvana - 2 (Smells Like Teen Spirit, Come As You Are)
Pink Floyd - 2 (Money, Another Brick in the Wall Part II)
Radiohead - 2 (Creep, Nude)
Ritchie Valens - 2 (Donna, La Bamba)
Bo Diddley - 1 (Say Man)
Buffalo Springfield - 1 (For What It's Worth)
Carl Perkins - 1 (Blue Suede Shoes)
Dr. John - 1 (Right Place, Wrong Time)
Frank Zappa - 1 (Valley Girl)
Grateful Dead - 1 (Touch of Grey)
Jimi Hendrix - 1 (All Along the Watchtower)
Kraftwerk - 1 (Autobahn)
Lou Reed - 1 (Walk on the Wild Side)
Nina Simone - 1 (I Loves You, Porgy)
NWA - 1 (Straight Outta Compton)
Patti Smith - 1 (Because the Night)
Public Enemy - 1 (Give It Up)
Randy Newman - 1 (Short People)
Roxy Music - 1 (Love is the Drug)
Rush - 1 (New World Man)
T. Rex - 1 (Get It On)

Never had a Top 40 US Hit
Albert King
Big Joe Turner
Black Sabbath
Bob Marley
Buddy Guy
Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
Jeff Beck
John Lee Hooker
Laura Nyro
Leonard Cohen
Miles Davis
Muddy Waters
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Ramones
Sex Pistols
Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
The Stooges
Tom Waits
Traffic
The Velvet Underground

2021 Inductees:
Jay-Z - 50
LL Cool J - 17
Carole King - 15
Tina Turner - 14
Billy Preston - 8
Todd Rundgren - 6
The Go-Go's - 5
Foo Fighters - 3
Kraftwerk - 1

Posted by RG on Saturday, 06/12/2021 @ 11:49am

Thanks!

Here's a fun fact for you all: Kraftwerk is the 2nd Band to be inducted as an early influence. The first was Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys. Anyone else is a vocal group.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 06/12/2021 @ 13:53pm

King,
That is amazing with your things on Whitney Houston. She definitely had incredible beauty and Vocal range. . "How Will I Know" and "Greatest Love Of All" were 2 good songs I heard . Amazing vocal range and talent. She was a Superstar and had that attraction factor. I can see why both men and women music fans fell in love with her. She also was remembered for probably the greatest Super Bowl National Anthem. I remember our nation was at War.
' 1990's and 2000's career decline coincided with a growing drug problem. She was in the news and tabloids from her bursts of strange behavior and pictures showing a thin frailer Whitney. As in many of these drug star situations, various people are part of the problem . Some are family or long-time friends in a difficult situation. Bobby Brown stands out as the bad influence here. But Whitney I see as being responsible for her own actions. I Will Always Love You is not one of my favs. But How Will I Know and I'm Your Baby Tonight are good. Very nice job on Whitney. Do you have anything on any other acts of 2020. After this We end. The series ENDS

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 06/12/2021 @ 18:27pm

This is my 2021 class ranking now after given thought.

Jay-Z -S
Foo Fighters-B (Not because I like them)
Tina Turner-C
Todd Rundgren-C
Carole King-C
The Go-Go's-D

Feel free to disagree!

I also got new albums added to my collection too!

Simon and Garfunkel-Live In Central Park (1981)
Roxy Music-Avalon (1982)
The Police-Synchronicity (1983)
Soundgarden-Badmotorfinger (1991)
R.E.M.-Automatic For The People (1992)
Rage Against The Machine- Self-titled (1992)
Eric Clapton-MTV Unplugged (1992)
Elvis Presley-ELVIS 30 #1 Hits (2002)

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 06/13/2021 @ 00:16am

Now that my series is Over.I will discuss the 2021 Class like everyone else here. I certainly say they got it right with The Go-Go's, Carole King, Tina Turner all inducted for this year 2021. I think that it was rather close to the mark with Foo Fighters and Jay-Z. This is a very diverse class.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 06/13/2021 @ 18:53pm

Due to the recent passing of the late great singer/songwriter Helen Reddy, I think that it would be appropriate for the ladies to perform, 'I Am Woman' at the closing jam of the 2021 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 06/13/2021 @ 19:16pm

Also I Want to say the Hall got it right with Todd Rundgren. I like the main songs of Todd. This Includes Hello it's Me but also a tune about Dreaming ,forgot exact title. I also like Real Man and Can We still be Friends. I own a Cd called Flashback with Todd Rundgren. I didn't mention Todd R ysterday. I also know some music from UTOPIA. Since he masterminded that Nice group I guess Utopia is part of his induction. What are your thoughts guys on TODD.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/14/2021 @ 06:40am

Donnie Durham is posting a series on fixing the Singles Category that everyone hates and the Hall ignores. Did anyone else read his post?

He came up with 75 singles! 10 from the 50's and 90's, 15 from the 80's and 60's, and 25 from the 70's! Of course, he won't say what they are until the series continues. And he's not including anyone who is already in the Hall! (Granted, the Hall itself only did that once, and that's why everyone hates it.) I'm excited for when it's finally released!

Posted by Follower on Monday, 06/14/2021 @ 13:27pm

Follower,

No, the RHW's hate the category for reasons other than the fact that "Twist And Shout" was included. That's a ridiculous thing to say. I for one hated it from the first round of songs that were announced. I'll be reading along to be sure, but Donnie already has rubbed me the wrong way with his comments about Del Shannon and the Flamingoes. Rest assured, the Flamingoes lack of Platters-level superstardom or run of huge hits on the pop charts is most certainly not due to a lack of musical excellence. And Del Shannon was certainly more than "Runaway", so I already got a bad feeling where its gonna go. Nevertheless, it's about the discussion and the exchange of ideas, so I'll be reading along.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 06/14/2021 @ 15:50pm

Enig,
I partially agree with you. I think that due to the passing of Helen Reddy it would certainly be appropriate for the ladies to perform I am Woman. BUT NOT as the closing jam of the ceremony. I think it is most appropriate during the In Memoriam segment. I think a Good all star jam Would perhaps be SIMPLY the BEST by Tina Turner. Not necessarily done by Tina. She may NOT perform but people like Jennifer Hudson would do it. That's my thoughts right Now. Even though I'm a ROCK fan that's what my Thoughts are.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/14/2021 @ 18:22pm

Enig,

That be preachy. I was thinking more punk-oriented/more upbeat song at the ceremony for all to perform.

Philip,

I can't tell what you want from what you and the RHWs now. One moment you criticize the Hall and the next you praise them. Feels like Stockholm syndrome between the feedback loop.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 06/14/2021 @ 19:48pm

Philip,

Maybe you hated it, along with a few others, but it wasn't unanimously disliked until 2019, and Twist and Shout is one of the factors, but not the only one that led to the near-unanimous despise for the Singles category amoungst us Hall Watchers.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 06/14/2021 @ 21:04pm

Plebeian,

Well, for one, life is complicated, no? Two, I think the opinions don't necessarily change, maybe a smidge, but the approach we take in expressing those opinions can change based on how optimistic or cynical we feel about the Hall any given day. Some days we're hopeful, and some days we're price gouging the hot dogs for roasting while the industrial-sized refuse receptacle is in a state of absolute conflagration.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 06/15/2021 @ 00:12am

You guys need to do a ballot history section.

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 06/15/2021 @ 01:23am

Another tune that could happen is the Foo Fighters do a Cover. I say that could be Have a Cigar the P Floyd song. They covered it several years ago. Another possibility is WE WILL ROCK You. Foo Fighters can cover soo many songs. Those aren't Punk oriented but they are Uobeat. What are your thoughts? ANYONE answer

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/15/2021 @ 06:13am

I know they've already released it, but I like the Foos cover of "Band on the Run". It sounds better to me than the original when I'm in a mood, and it can be a silent statement about the stupidity of not putting Wings in alongside Paul McCartney...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 06/15/2021 @ 11:12am

K Dawg,
I can see that happening. Clearly for a good famous Rock cover Foo Fighters are the guys to do it. Read recently about the Band on the Run cover. I'm saying We Will Rock You because these guys could cover Almost anything. Simply the Best came to my mind as the ladies doing the All star Jam. Foo Fighters leading the Jam is more likely. When I think about it Foo Fighters are the most likely Headliners. I said this about 2 months ago. What are your thoughts?

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/15/2021 @ 13:08pm

Business run by @ssholes? Isn't that just about every business with any degree of success?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 06/15/2021 @ 14:13pm

Just a heads-up, I don't know who it was trolling, but that wasn't me, Follower. While I do enjoy alliteration, "junkyard joke" is not something I would be say. And I've been a different opinion of The Dude often enough, that I think you would know that isn't me saying that. FRL, can we get a trace on who's pretending to be me, two posts above this one?

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 06/15/2021 @ 15:31pm

I knew it was The Dude. For some reason he tends to show up and impersonate people during conversations.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 06/15/2021 @ 22:25pm

I just want to officially say that I think Foo Fighters will be the headliner. I base this on 2 other major 90s bands Headlining. As we know those are Nirvana and Pearl Jam. It seems to me it should be the same thing here. I would say that it could be Jay-Z BUT No rap act has ever headlined before. That would be a first.
Each year I figure out who the Headliner will be before figuring out the order for the rest of the acts.
I think the Hall likes to close the show with Rock. It sets things up for a good ALL STAR jam.
It could easily be Tina Turner to headline BUT the problem is Tina does NOT perform anymore. due to Older age. The headline always tends to be an act with NO issues. What are young thoughts everyone and anyone?

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/16/2021 @ 04:12am

Ben,

That's a great guess, but my thought is it could go either way. Jay Z DOES have some rock roots, but after this past year of BLM and all the social attention, it very well could be him too. Based on his pedigree and public persona, as the Hall likes to think itself progressive, it wouldn't surprise me. The Foo Fighters may get the nod, but I also see them as a potential opening as well as closing act. It's a move the Hall could make either way, and it makes them look good in public perception.

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 06/16/2021 @ 08:35am

K Dawg,
Staying on the side of Rock that I love I'd say Foo Fighters close. But not simply because I like them quite a bit more. Foo Fighters have the ability to cover all kinds of Familiar Rock songs. That's how I came up with We Will Rock You.
The All Star Jam tends to be a Very familiar Rock song or Oldie fine by the Headliner.
Hey you never know I could be totally wrong and they choose Jay-Z. But it will be one of those 2. I would NOT expect it to be Todd Rundgren. I can't picture Todd Closing and doing the All Star Jam. Either Foos or Jay-Z are the most likely. But in fact Todd is also known for doing. Sone covers years back. In any case I say Foo Fighters as Headliner

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/16/2021 @ 14:17pm

I'm pretty excited to see what the Hall can display for their acts this year.

Foo Fighters= Dave's drums or guitars or the rest of the band's instruments

The Go-Go's= Vacation music video outfits

Todd Rundgren= Keyboards and costumes

Tina Turner= Recreation of her iconic 80s outfit

Carole King= Linear songwriting notes from her albums

Jay-Z= Whatever the Hell Jay-Z currently owns for show

Billy Preston= His piano

Kraftwerk= Their Instruments

LL Cool J= His old 80s clothes and his "radio"

Gil-Scott Heron= His poetry notes

Randy Rhoads= His guitar duh

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 06/16/2021 @ 14:25pm

I'm not an active poster on this thread, but I like to read the regulars' views. Man, I thought there couldn't be anything more annoying than this ideological bs about consumerism and business. I was wrong. Writing under false flag is much worse. Criticizing the Hall based on the questionable moves they came along with is good (and I'm not talking about the kiosk an fan vote issue), but acting like a weirdo? I don't know what you're expecting of this. Everybody knows who's writing this crazy stuff. You said you're done with this, but you keep posting your nonsense. This is so lame and just annoying. Sorry for repeating myself. I hate to write about things that have nothing to do with the music itself.

Posted by MichaelEU on Wednesday, 06/16/2021 @ 16:16pm

Stope impersonating me The Dude!

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 06/16/2021 @ 16:57pm

I have nothing better to do than impersonate people! I never really wanted to leave FLR, I just wanted to stay and mock people that disagree with me! I hate the Hall of of Acts Hipsters, Media Shills, Snowflakes, and Social Justice Warriors Like more than anyone, yet here I am on a fansite for them! Everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist nutjob! Indict Noitley Crue and Dave Matthews Band YESTERDAY!

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 06/16/2021 @ 21:23pm

But seriously, I think we might have to ban The Dude if possible. Has anyone been banned from FLR? Probably during that Coven discourse.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 06/16/2021 @ 21:50pm

The Dude-

I can get behind inducting DMB (but not before Phish) and while Motley Crue is deserving (especially compared to Poison, Whitesnake, Warrant, etc.) there are at least 5 hard rock bands that should go in first (Iron Maiden, Jethro Tull, Bad Company, Judas Priest, Soundgarden)

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 06/16/2021 @ 21:59pm

This is the real Follower, and the reason why The Dude wants both of those acts inducted so badly is because Crue won the in-person kiosk at the Hall itself and DMB won the fan vote without getting inducted.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 06/17/2021 @ 02:02am

Anybody else feel like we're living a message board version of the movie "Fallen" right now? It's kind of funny and quite sad. The Dude, you left in a conniption, and you want to come back. Unless you're actually banned under your name, I don't see why you don't just post under your own name. This board has had people leave upset before and come back again. There is just no reason for this childishness. None.

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Posted by EVELIN KAY on Thursday, 06/17/2021 @ 13:15pm

In the meantime, Donnie has released his fixing of the Singles Category:

https://donniesblogwordpresscom.wordpress.com/2021/06/16/candidates-for-the-rnrhof-singles-category-pt-1-the-1950s-and-1960s/


His Candidates, which he has written a paragraph of each. (I bet at least half of them will get Philip's blood boiling)

50's Singles:
Shake a Hand by Faye Adams
Gee by The Crows
Sh Boom by The Chords
Earth Angel (Will You Be Mine) by The Penguins
In The Still of the Nite by The Five Satins
Susie Q by Dale Hawkins
At The Hop by Danny and the Juniors
Love is Strange by Mickey & Sylvia
Come, Go With Me by The Del-Vikings
Chantilly Lace by The Big Bopper

60's Singles:
Stay by Maurice Williams and the Zodiacs
Tossin' and Turnin' by Bobby Lewis
The Loco-Motion by Little Eva
Do You Love Me by The Contours
Wipe Out by The Surfaris.
Chapel of Love by The Dixie Cups
Eve of Destruction by Barry McGuire
Psychotic Revelation by The Count Five
Dirty Water by The Standells
96 Tears by ? and the Mysterians
San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Flowers In Your Hair) by Scott McKenzie
Time Has Come Today by The Chambers Brothers
Get Together by The Youngbloods
Spirit in the Sky by Norman Greenbaum
Sugar Sugar by The Archies

Any thoughts?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 06/17/2021 @ 14:14pm

lmao

Posted by RG on Thursday, 06/17/2021 @ 18:40pm

at the risk of being parodied, this latest turn of events here has left many frustrated. We are all adults; can't we handle this in constructive ways instead of resorting to childish tactics and juvenile behavior? I have never had a problem with anyone's opinion here, but if I don't agree, I let it go and move on. This board is refreshing as there are trolls in every corner of the Internet who live to simply mindlessly attack or spread nonsensical BS. This is a plea to everyone to take the high road, including The Dude, who has made his feelings clear, and again it is his right to have his opinions; for years, he has been a solid contributor to this forum. Why now are we devolving into this drivel?

Please, you are driving away a rich community of knowledgeable and open minded fans of rock and roll...

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 06/18/2021 @ 07:44am

Agreed K Dawg. I've certainly had some lively discussions with The Dude, but when we differed in opinion it was always a disagreement without disrespect. At least I thought it was from my perspective. Not sure why The Dude is taking this approach to posting on this site or what there is to gain from it, but it's quite disappointing. I'd much rather The Dude just post like before and engage in discussion, even if others disagree with him or his agenda.

Posted by Michael W on Friday, 06/18/2021 @ 11:02am

The thing is, I agree that Motley Crue belongs in the Hall. There are many bands and acts I feel who get shafted, but the Hall gets as many right as they get wrong. Their order is baffling sometimes, but while I disagree with certain acts being in the way anyone else does for their own reasons, I can probably cede that someone will make a compelling argument for anyone to be there...ok, well except for maybe Laura Nyro lol.

As much as I think Crue belongs, I also think they've failed in not electing the Monkees, Bad Company, Iron Maiden, Pantera, Kraftwerk in its proper category as a main performer and not an early influence, as well as Mariah Carey, Snoop Dogg, TLC, the Commodores/Lionel Richie, the Ohio Players, etc. There are countless acts who are influences who hopefully will get their due one day, and SOON...

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 06/19/2021 @ 02:11am

I wish the Hall had a preliminary ballot like in sports, where they start with a huge amount and gradually reduce it over time.

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 06/19/2021 @ 02:29am

Because I'm bored, here's a list of artists with an album in the top 100 of Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums (all incarnations) not in the Hall:

From the 2003 and 2012 incarnations, we need:
Love
Captain Beefheart
John Coltrane
Frank Sinatra (On the 2003 incarnation.)
Of these four, only Coltrane is in the 2020 top 100, and Beefheart isn't on the 2020 incarnation at all.

I can't see any of them getting in as performers, it's too late for the first two and the later two belong in Early Influence.

From the 2020 Incarnation, we need:
Lauryn Hill
Kanye West
Kendrick Lamar
Wu-Tang Clan
D'Angelo
Beyonce
Amy Winehouse
Dr. Dre
A Tribe Called Quest
Nas
Outkast
Liz Phair
Eric B. and Rakim
John Coltrane
Kate Bush
Alanis Morissette
My Bloody Valentine
Frank Ocean
Erykah Badu
Missy Elliot
Drake
Lucinda Williams
Taylor Swift

Combined, this 26 artists, most but not all of which are old enough.

Here's the list of artists with more than 3 albums in any incarnation not in the Hall:
The Smiths (2003 and 2012)
Big Star
Nick Drake (2003)
Eminem (2003)
Kanye West (Both 2012 and 2020)
Outkast
Kendrick Lamar
D'Angelo
Fiona Apple
Pavement

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 06/19/2021 @ 23:46pm

With the recent success of Edgar Wright's documentary "The Sparks Brothers", what do you guys think of Sparks' chance for a nomination (and even induction) in 2022?

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 06/21/2021 @ 22:59pm

John R.C.

Sparks might may be the Glam Rock representative for the 2022 ballot, so I think they have a high chance. Both brothers are still alive and will certainly perform if given the opportunity. Edgar Wright is also a well-known director and can possibly advocate for their inclusion. Jane Wieldin and Todd Rundgren are part of the documentary I forgot to add can be supporters too. They have critics support, but audiences may neglect them for how obscure they are in their eyes.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 06/22/2021 @ 01:46am

So It's confirmed that Todd Rundgren won't show up, but will someone else perform or will there just be a speech? I'd like to find out.

Besides, I do want tickets once they go one sale.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 06/22/2021 @ 12:47pm

There are plenty of one hit wonders in the Hall. Jimi Hendrix, Grateful Dead, Frank Zappa, Dr. John, T. Rex, Roxy Music, Rush, Public Enemy, and Lou Reed, to name a few.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 06/22/2021 @ 13:23pm

Those people that Follower just mentioned are NOT One-Hit Wonders. They are timeless rock n' roll legends who have more than one hit. Don't pay any attention to him.

Posted by Johnny on Tuesday, 06/22/2021 @ 13:47pm

I have a strong suspicion that it's someone else posting under other people's names. Someone who should remain nameless (and don't say his name 3 times like Beetlejuice) but we all know who it is. The guy needs to get a life if he's gonna constantly cosplay as other people. What do they say? Misery loves company.

Posted by David on Tuesday, 06/22/2021 @ 14:45pm

K Dawg,
I often take an hiatus in the Summer. In past years it was because the New Hall season would begin around August with predictions for Nominees. Now that things have been shifted over the Inductees have been announced. This changes things, I am ready and prime to discuss the Inductees and the order of performances. But now something else has happened. The latest turn of events has left me frustrated. Things should be handled in an adult manner. I took a week off from here to see what happens. I respect anyone's opinion here. I just want to stay with the civilized chat. I wanted to say that.
Now then, the word is out that Todd Rundgren won't show up. I figure there will just be a speech. I think due to all the acts inducted in all categories the Hall would want to save time with a No show. This is going to be a long Ceremony no matter what. A simple speech in honor of Todd R frees up more time for other Main Performers like Tina Turner, The Go-Gos and Jay-Z. A tribute to Tina can be made Amazing. Also LL Cool J can perform several songs and there can be a nice tribute to Randy Rhoads. I would love to see a Randy R tribute. A lot of Heavy metal guitarists can be in on that, I think you agree with these thoughts. I'd like to hear from ya. You are one of the stable regulars right now. In more ways than one.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/23/2021 @ 08:26am

A performance by The Go-Go's is in serious jeopardy since Belinda has a show announced in Europe for the same day as the induction ceremony; though Jane could certainly take lead vocals on "Our Lips Are Sealed" and they could have guest vocals on other songs (P!nk seems a strong choice) - but that approach probably needs Belinda's blessing to not blow up the relationship and jeopardize upcoming reunion show dates

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 06/23/2021 @ 18:42pm

Shrek,
I did not know that. Well I'm sure something like you say can be worked out. I guess P!nk is a good choice for the Belinda vocals. There are some others like maybe Gwen Stefani. Just a guess there.
Since a few like someone nameless have lost their minds right Now we carry on the calm chats. The real genuine Follower is Very cool with his chats. I think the real Follower had some posts this week. And so we carry on. That's it on cracks about this.
So I think they can work out something with the Go-Gos performance. A Go-Go's performance would attract the viewers from the 1980s

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/23/2021 @ 20:18pm

Actually, the tour that she has in Europe was announced last year, but tickets for her show are still on sale. Hopefully when the tickets start selling there will be a clearing of whether or not she will show.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 06/25/2021 @ 20:24pm

My predictions for the 2022 nominees (and this the only place I can put it at the moment):
Eminem: Big name rapper, eligible next year, definitely gonna be a fye inductee

Chaka Khan: Whether it be solo or with Rufus, she has been on the ballot in some way, shape, or form

Dionne Warwick, Fela Kuti, Iron Maiden: Lumped these 3 together due to popularity and doing well on the fan vote.

Scorpions: Bit of a strech, but they are releasing a new album soon. Extremely low chances of even getting a nom tho

The Bangles: after the Go-Go's got in, the Bangles seem like a logical choice. Either them or Duran Duran

Posted by ThatRandomRaichu on Saturday, 06/26/2021 @ 11:54am

Looking through this page, the posts where The Dude impersonates people have been deleted.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 06/26/2021 @ 17:01pm

So I think I've decided Who May open the 2021 Ceremony. I think a NICE Tina Turner tribute will open. That would be nice and also fitting to start with. And Foo Fighters would close the Ceremony. I think Jay-Z would perform right in the middle. I haven't figured the Rest out at all. I figured out 3 of them

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 06/26/2021 @ 20:44pm

Still no DON CORNELIUS!!
He brought R&B and Soul artists into the mainstream...and into the homes of millions of people who would have NEVER even SEEN them...much less become familiar with their music !!
If ALAN FREED and DICK CLARK can be inducted...WHY NOT THE HOST and STAR of
The Longest- Running Music TV Show EVER... Z
********************SOUL TRAIN ??******************

Posted by Bill G on Sunday, 06/27/2021 @ 20:30pm

The Hall sold every single ticket last time and the time before that. Any setback regarding the attendance will be due to outside factors, not the Hall itself.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 06/28/2021 @ 20:42pm

Hahaha! I *WISH* I had time to post earlier today, even something as asinine as the Dude pretending to be me posted. The Dude just keeps getting sadder and sadder.

And after all the pandemic shopping, and after Amazon Prime Day (week) this week and weekend with temps reaching triple digits, I'm definitely not on the side of consumerism now. Eff Beelzebezos.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 06/29/2021 @ 00:17am

Apparently, when The Dude said he was done with this site, he only meant done using his own handle. Would the dude actually abide with that? Methinks not.

FTR, I don't believe either was/is rigged. There's a difference between believing in the legitimacy of something and believing in the wisdom of it.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 06/29/2021 @ 07:52am

Hey all - apologies for all the posts from the person who is posting under different usernames. Those posts have been removed and future posts of a similar nature will also be deleted. Please email contact [at] futurerocklegends.com when you see something that needs review.

Posted by FRL on Wednesday, 06/30/2021 @ 21:15pm

Well, The Dude is gone for good. Meanwhile, I just want tickets.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 07/1/2021 @ 01:17am

I'm glad the DUDE crisis is Over. I come here to relax NOT to see trolling and anger. This is good news from FRL
A good point was made about Don Cornelius. How would have to check who made that fine comment. My primary music is rock. But a big secondary genre for me is R&B. As far as I know Don Cornelius had the Temptations, O Jays and Spinners all on his show. Soul Train. Yeah I know I love Rock the most. But I dig a good amount of R&B. I am diverse. Hey I guess then I am not a simple Rockist. Yes I own Several thousands of Rock tunes. But I own about 2000 R&B tunes. I think Don Cornelius will be inducted in Next few years

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/1/2021 @ 12:47pm

I concur, Ben. Don Cornelius put 70s soul, funk, R and B and other genres on the map with Soul Train. He is an absolute legend.

In the same vein, I do feel the RRHOF is underrepresented in the medium of television, which was instrumental, and still is, to our experience and love of music. Dick Clark with American Bandstand, the Monkees (shameless plug, sorry), Ed Sullivan, Don Cornelius, the entire MTV (80s) crew, even down to Saturday Night Live and David Letterman/Paul Shaffer, have given us our look at the sound and exposed us to new experiences. I know there is a ton of housekeeping to make it the hall it should be, but there's very little influence beyond the actual music there as well...

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 07/1/2021 @ 12:58pm

I used to watch both Bandstand & Soul Train way back in the day. Both had excellent music acts. Soul Train, however, was just way, way cooler than Bandstand. The intro alone was so badass, especially when compared to Bandstand's 50s jingle.

If Mr. Clark is in Hall (and I guess he is) then ABSOLUTELY, Mr. Cornelius should be, and if Dick hasn't made it yet, then Don should be first between the 2.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 07/1/2021 @ 13:23pm

Mr. Clark is in the Hall. Questlove did say that he has tried to get Don Cornelius in a few times. Maybe if they went with more than one non-performer this year he could have been inducted.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 07/1/2021 @ 14:18pm

Mr. Dick Clark is definitely in the Hall. Mr. Clark was inducted in 1993. He received the Ahmet Ertegun Award. It's the same year CCR, Cream, the Doors and Van Morrison were inducted. It's the first year I followed the Hall very closely. Dick Clark is In the Hall a long time. I like Dick Clark. I remember both American Bandstand and Soul Train when I was a kid.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/1/2021 @ 16:00pm

And now I will mention something Totally different. I'm Not a TOTAL METAL fan. I'm not into Metal church, etc too much. But I love some Ozzy. I'm soo glad Randy Rhoades is inducted. Musical excellence I think. I'm a Rocker VERYY much. This is cool. There should be a nice Tribute with lots of Old Heavy metal guitarists. I can think of a few. I am holding off on a predicting FULL lineup. That's because there is a lot. Special awards have more importance NOW. Actually Ringo Starr started this Recent trend. He headlined even though he's Music Excellence. Soo Randy Rhoades makes good discussion.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/2/2021 @ 12:27pm

Here's a KING Question Of The Day: Say for some reason Queen wasn't inducted until 2014. Do you think the RRHOF Committee would have inducted Paul Rodgers with Queen for his singing and contributions to Queen? I'm curious what would have happened. Regards--- KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 07/5/2021 @ 15:15pm

You know, King, I'm glad you brought that up. I saw Paul Rodgers perform with Queen with some good friends of mine back in October 2005 (You could say the concert was a birthday present for me). Paul put on a spectacular singing performance that night. He proved he belonged on that stage with Queen. AND…

I just got done looking up Queen + Paul Rodgers on Wikipedia. Paul DID record a studio album with Queen in 2008: The Cosmos Rocks. On THAT basis, if Queen were inducted in 2014, the RRHOF Committee would have to say yes to inducting Paul Rodgers as a member. Let me explain.

Remember when Robert Trujillo, Metallica's bassist, was a member of the band when they released Death Magnetic back in 2008? Yes, that was Rob's first appearance on a Metallica album as a member, but he played an important role on that album. So, when Metallica earned induction into the RRHOF in 2009, Robert Trujillo was rightfully included as a full-fledged band member.

Sorry if the explanation ran a bit long, but that's my take.

Posted by Johnny on Monday, 07/5/2021 @ 16:23pm

King.
I'm glad to see you around. You tend to continue topics into a chat. How do you feel a Randy Rhoades tribute will play out. This is the Ben question of the week. There will be lots of Heavy Metal guitarists involved . Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 07/6/2021 @ 05:16am

BEN
I find it strange Randy Rhoades is inducted now. Thought he would be inducted with Ozzy Solo. My guess Ozzy Solo must be further away than I believed. Rhoades is 1 of those well-respected musicians in Life And Death. Maybe, some musicians will assemble for a blow the roof off rendition of "Crazy Train." This could be a way Ronnie James Dio is inducted. He should have been inducted with Black Sabbath. I wonder if Quiet Riot will ever receive a nomination. Rhoades sure was a virtuoso. I think we were all cheated as music fans that he died very young. He could have put out some epic music. I am curious to see how Randy Rhoades is honored. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ozzy make a Zoom or video type appearance talking about Rhoades. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 07/6/2021 @ 10:26am

So everyone, Here's Alex's Pyramid, now with the updates for the more recent classes:

Remember, Artists are not ranked within a tier?

Tier 1, Marginal Acts:
The Zombies, The Dave Clark Five, The Hollies, Donovan, The Faces/Small Faces, George Harrison, Stevie Nicks, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Martha & the Vandellas, Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers, Little Anthony & the Imperials, The Dells, The Moonglows, The Flamingos, The Impressions, KISS, Def Leppard, The (Young) Rascals, The Lovin' Spoonful, Buffalo Springfield, Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, Duane Eddy, Ritchie Valens, The O'Jays, Bill Withers, The Staple Singers, Jimmy Cliff, Bobby Womack, Jeff Beck, Dusty Springfield, Brenda Lee, Bobby Darin, Del Shannon, Gene Pitney, Lavern Baker, Little Willie John, Jimmy Reed, The Righteous Brothers, Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Buddy Guy, Albert King, Clyde McPhatter, Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five, Electric Light Orchestra, The Ventures, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Lloyd Price, Traffic, Doobie Brothers, Foo Fighters, Todd Rundgren, The Go-Go's, Laura Nyro and of course, Percy Sledge.


Tier 2, The Best of The Rest:
Linda Ronstadt, Darlene Love, Randy Newman, Bon Jovi, Journey, The Mamas and the Papas, The Ronettes, The Shirelles, Solomon Burke, Big Joe Turner, Bobby "Blue" Bland, John Lee Hooker, Dion, Ricky Nelson, John Mellencamp, Jackson Browne, The Platters, The Coasters, Rod Stewart, Wilson Pickett, The Jackson 5, The Animals, Bill Haley & The Comets, Isaac Hayes, Deep Purple, ZZ Top, Bob Seger, Roxy Music, Cat Stevens, The Isley Brothers, The Four Tops, The Four Seasons, Tom Waits, Neil Diamond, Joan Baez, Ruth Brown, Sam & Dave, The Moody Blues, Lou Reed, Bonnie Raitt, Dr. John, Sex Pistols, Jefferson Airplane(if Jefferson Starship and Starship counted, they'd be tier 1), Frank Zappa, The Yardbirds, T. Rex, Whitney Houston, The Notorious B.I.G., Depeche Mode, and Tina Turner

Tier 3, Proven Performers:
Dire Straits, Hank Ballard & the Midnighters, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Booker T & the MGs, The Stooges, Chicago, Yes, Hall & Oates, Steve Miller, Cheap Trick, Run DMC, NWA, Beastie Boys, Carl Perkins, The Cars, Jerry Lee Lewis, The Everly Brothers, Rush, Van Halen, Donna Summer, Alice Cooper Band, Green Day, Steely Dan, Earth Wind and Fire, Peter Gabriel, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Blondie, Etta James, Sly and the Family Stone, Curtis Mayfield, The Drifters, Ike & Tina Turner, Genesis, Janis Joplin, The Pretenders, James Taylor, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Billy Joel, Nine Inch Nails, Carole King, and Jay-Z

Tier 4, The Stalwarts:
Patti Smith, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Heart, Roy Orbison, Fats Domino, Eric Clapton, Cream, Jackie Wilson, Janet Jackson, The Cure, The Doors, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Temptations, The Supremes, Parliament/Funkadelic, The Kinks, Al Green, Leonard Cohen, Miles Davis, Nina Simone, The Byrds, Santana, Paul Simon, B.B. King, ABBA, and Crosby Stills Nash.

Tier 5, Near Greats:
Guns N Roses, Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, The Velvet Underground, Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Metallica, The Clash, The Band, Grateful Dead, The Bee Gees, The Allman Brothers Band, Van Morrison, AC-DC, Otis Redding, Joni Mitchel, Bo Diddley, Smokey Robinson & The Miracles, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, The Police, Talking Heads, Public Enemy, Tupac Shakur, Radiohead, and Creedence Clearwater Revival.

Tier 6, The Fixed Stars:
Aerosmith, Buddy Holly & The Crickets, Madonna, Elton John, Queen, The Ramones, Ray Charles, Black Sabbath, Pearl Jam, Neil Young, REM, U2, Muddy Waters, Pink Floyd, Stevie Wonder, Bob Marley, The Beach Boys, Johnny Cash, Simon & Garfunkel, and Michael Jackson.

Tier 7, Olympians:
The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Chuck Berry, James Brown & The Famous Flames, Led Zeppelin, Aretha Franklin, David Bowie, Marvin Gaye, Nirvana, Bob Dylan, Prince, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley, and of course, The Beatles.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 07/6/2021 @ 22:37pm

Follower,
That's an awesome list. I'm not that hip to Alex's Pyramid. Is that a Pyramid by Alex Voltaire.
Let me know that. And I want to know are there any Olympians and Fixed stars to still be Inducted? Rolling Stones, Bruce S., James Brown, Aretha, David Bowie, the WHO, etc and of course the BEATLES are all Olympians. I agree with the Whole Olympian list and Fixed stars. Are there Future inductees like that still to come? Let me know. I can see right up to Nirvana as Olympians. I would love to know your answer

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 07/7/2021 @ 11:55am

Aerosmith on the same level as The Beach Boys, Johnny Cash and Michael Jackson????

I mean they rocked, but....

Posted by joker on Wednesday, 07/7/2021 @ 15:13pm

I don't think anyone outside of the Hall as of now fits the highest Tiers. The Stalwarts may be reachable, but there are no Fixed Stars or Olympians out there who are old enough.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 07/7/2021 @ 18:03pm

Follower,
I was thinking you would say something like that. I've been into Rock since about 1975. I caught up on all the Olympians like the Beatles, Stones, The Who Led Zeppelin and kept going for a long time. I don't know the 2000s acts too much. Nirvana seems to be the most recent Olympian. A lot of acts outside the Hall can be Stalwarts

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 07/7/2021 @ 20:01pm

Ben,

Do you think any of the Olympians seem out of place? On Alex's original post, he mentioned in the comments he was second guessing on Marvin Gaye as an Olympian and that it was difficult keeping Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder as Fixed Stars.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 07/7/2021 @ 23:18pm

Follower,
I'm looking at the list more carefully now. I still agree with whole Olympian list. I don't really agree with Aerosmith and Black Sabbath as fixed stars. They should be in Near Greats instead. Both certainly rocked. besides the fact that both had a lot of dull albums later on. They are not quite as ultra memorable as the other fixed stars. Near greats is perfect for them. Michael J and Stevie Wonder IMO are fixed stars without a problem. Keep chat going. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/8/2021 @ 04:10am

I am of the opinion Alex is right on Aerosmith. It is my opinion, but if you disagree, that's fine. Just don't question my allegiance. They have withstood the test of time, and have very workingmanly put together a complete 3 decades of music that is still heard en masse all over the radio today. They also are one of the rare bands to have kept its original lineup essentially through its entire career, a rare feat for a 5 piece band

I have opinions on the others, but I was pleasantly surprised to see Tyler, Perry and crew finally get some respect I feel they lack sometimes...

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 07/9/2021 @ 02:06am

I always enjoy reading through others people's rankings to see what their views are, even if they differ from mine. On Alex's pyramid, there are a few artists that I'd put in a different tier than Alex does. I'll just look at the top two tiers.

I'd move Stevie Wonder, the Beach Boys, and Ray Charles up to the Olympians level. I'd put each of them in the top 15 greatest artists of all time, especially Ray Charles who's top 5 in my book. Conversely, I'd drop Marvin Gaye and David Bowie to the Fixed Stars tier. Legendary artists for sure, but not quite Olympian.

Little Richard and Sam Cooke belong in the Fixed Stars category. They were both pivotal in the birth and development of rock and roll as we know it. I'd also consider Radiohead for the fixed stars category, as they may be the most important band of the last 30 years. I'd slide Simon and Garfunkel down to the Near Greats group and Aerosmith would move into the Stalwarts category. They're a great band but they really didn't do much to innovate or advance rock and roll. I always kinda compared them to the Doors, so I'd put them in the same tier. For me, they're in the top 100 artists, not in the top 30.

As for artists not yet in the Hall, I'd say Kanye West is probably closest to being an Olympian. He's a straight up game changer. Still I'd probably end up slotting him in with the Fixed Stars.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 07/9/2021 @ 11:41am

K-Dawg,

Aerosmith is extremely deserving of their praise. Their workingman style has worked that they have survived and thrive in the new millennium. They went through two career overhauls. Twice! The Hard Rock scene of the 70s to the power ballots of the 80s and even reigniting the 70s nostalgia in the 90s. I love Aerosmith in all my heart and I feel their career is a reflection of how rock has changed in the mainstream. Tyler and Perry get all the praise (I don't blame them), but Whitford, Kramer, and Hamilton deserve love too for sticking together through and through. It's unfortunate that other Rock Hall Watchers don't see them as deserving. Sometimes playing that old time Rock N' Roll works.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 07/9/2021 @ 20:54pm

K-Dawg,
I love some Aerosmith. I own about 5 albums-cds from them. I love the Album, Rocks. I am an all time Rock fan. But I was being objective. I'm not sure about Aerosmith alongside Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson. What makes this more interesting I like Aerosmith a bit more than Stevie Wonder and Michael J. Aerosmith as Near Great is really darn good too. Now Queen and Neil Young and so many others listed are deserved as fixed stars due to their extra influence.
How about Aerosmith as a Near great. I think Aerosmith as a near great is just about as cool. Hear from ya. As far as listening Aerosmith are amazing. I recently played Toys in the Attic at home. I own that years. Aerosmith rock no matter what

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/10/2021 @ 03:49am

Now like I said I feel Queen and Neil Young are good as Fixed stars. But Aerosmith are Near Greats. So NO worries. Guns n ROSES,Eagles, Fleetwood Mac and Grateful Dead are listed as NEAR greats. They have their influences. Aerosmith fits with them. The reason they are not Fixed Stars is perhaps those had a long hiatus. And so did Aerosmith. Thus NEAR Great

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/10/2021 @ 07:13am

But actually Grateful Dead should be placed as Fixed Star. I realize they did NOT really have an hiatus. The Gr Dead toured just about every test from 1968-1992. That long span of touring years should make them Fixed stars

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/10/2021 @ 20:42pm

A correction
**Gr Dead toured just about every YEAR from 1968-1992. That long span should make them Fixed Stars

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/10/2021 @ 21:27pm

Any contention regarding the lower levels? Personally I think Alex let his hated of KISS put them too low. They aren't marginal. I would also say Tina Turner should be in Proven Performers.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 07/11/2021 @ 21:15pm

Follower,
Yeah. I notice that now that Kiss is very low. With Tier 1. I don't like Like Kiss a lot and Gene Simmons seems to be a bit stupid at times. But as a band Kiss are not marginal. Best of the Rest fits them. I agree with a lot of the other marginal acts but then comes Traffic. They were one of the great acts of the late 1960s and 70s. That may be due to lack of knowledge by Alex. Is this Alex Voltaire we talk about? That's the Alex I know around here. Please let me know. And Traffic is dead wrong as Marginal act. Traffic had great albums with Last Exit, John Barleycorn Must Die and the legendary Low Spark of High Heeled Boys. They were very notable for the talents of both Steve Winwood and Dave Mason. Traffic are without a doubt Proven Stars. And the Moody Blues in Best of the Rest?? The Moody Blues should be in the Stalwarts. They have so many classic albums. Days of Future Passed, In Search of the Lost Chord and too many others to mention. I am controlling myself from the Moody Blues in Fixed Stars. I'll tone it down with Proven Stars. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Monday, 07/12/2021 @ 03:44am

I will agree with fake me that Kanye West is a completely narcissistic megalomaniac who lives for the spotlight, but that doesn't change the fact that his music was incredibly innovative and impactful. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is up there with Kid A, Lemonade, and a few others as the greatest album of the 2000's.

Mentioning Lemonade does make me think that Beyonce might also be in the running for Olympian level status when it's all said and done, though she'd probable fit better with the Fixed Stars.

I straight up despise everything about KISS, but I agree that they should at least be one tier higher, and maybe even in Tier 3 solely because of their influence. I throw up in my mouth a little when I say that, but I don't think you can have the level of popularity that they have and only be in the Marginal group.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 07/12/2021 @ 06:26am

Michael W,
That's the best way to describe Kiss. I'm NOT a fan either. I own Kiss Platinum. Basic songs. What always bothered me is they had that makeup gimmick for so many years Which was originally innovated by Alice Cooper anyway. And were somehow huge with it. They have ranged from intelligent discussion to Stupid talk of Gene Simmons.
I love other Hard Rock like Led Zeppelin,Aerosmith and Alice Coooper much more. But they were one of the most popular bands of the 1970s. And soo put KISS In Tier 2: Best of the REST

Posted by Ben on Monday, 07/12/2021 @ 06:35am

Michael W.,
We agree on Kiss. I personally like them a little more. Back in the year of 1978 I hated Kiss. I was there in the 70s at 13 and soo many friends Loved Kiss. I felt they were terrible. My view eased up. I bought Kiss Platinum. But just means showed them some respect. Hell No to High tiers for them. Tier 2 it should be. Best of the Rest. You must be done on your Kiss point.
Now somebody much better is Rod Stewart. He is located in Tier 2-Best of the Rest. He has popularity and is rather talented. Raise him to the Stalwarts. Heyy another major star of 1970s and 80s,Elton John is in Fixed Stars. Rod and Elton were 2 of the biggest stars in the 70s. Don't put Rod with Fixed Stars. His popularity was Not maintained like Elton but hey Rod S. had huge hits all through the 70s Rod was in his prime popularity up through You're in my Heart. Do Ya Think I'm Sexy was a song that totally split his fan base as I recall. His greatest albums are the classic 70s ones. Tonight I'm Yours gave him more sales. Body Wishes-1983 was weak. Vagabond Heart was his last big seller. I am NOT reviving my series here. Just pointing out the career of Rod Stewart.
But the reason he is Not a Fixed Star is because too many later albums sold badly. He fell off even in the 80s. Not too many people will know Spanner in the Works and When We were the New Boys. But Best of the Rest is too low. What are your thoughts with ROD Stewart?

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 07/14/2021 @ 04:54am

Ben,

Rod Stewart is a tough one to place. He was about as big as anyone in the 70's and continued to have hits through the 80's, so his popularity is indisputable. His level of impact though is another story. He didn't really evolve rock and roll in any way and isn't often cited as an influence by many later artists. He excelled at creating memorable catchy songs and obviously had/has one of the most distinctive voices around. I think I'd keep him in Tier 2 but if you wanted to move him up to Tier 3 a wouldn't argue with you. I couldn't go higher than that though.

Personally, I like quite a few of his songs, particularly You Wear It Well, You're In My Heart, Young Turks, and Baby Jane. Maggie May is probably his signature song, but it's one of those songs I've heard SO many times that I immediately switch to something else once I hear the first couple notes.

Posted by Michael W on Wednesday, 07/14/2021 @ 13:39pm

Ben,

Alex himself did say that Rod Stewart was a tough one to place at first. But another one he had a tough time with is The Yardbirds. They're in Best of The Rest. He said that the band's historical significance as a British blues group and the band's inconsistent output were at odds with each other. What do you think?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 07/14/2021 @ 15:46pm

Follower,
That's a good question with regards to the Yardbirds. I have 2 albums for the Yardbirds. Greatest Hits 1964-1966 and Little Games. They have historical significance. It started the career of 3 Guitar legends. But as a band at the time their music had ups and Downs. The springboard of the 3 guitar legends is what's key.
I did a Rock Retrospect on an IPOD. 1965-2015. For my 50tb Birthday. I had alll the Huge legends Doors, Hendrix, Led Zep, David Bowie, etc etc etc along the way. The kick off year was 1965. I had NO Yardbirds. I didn't feel there was enough impact on either my Life or the world. I did have the Amimals, Donovan, etc in the 60s years I played.. a ROCK chronology I played at work in 2015. My 50th Birthday

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 07/14/2021 @ 18:26pm

Coolio
The Sugarhill Gang
Living Colour
Toots and the Maytals
Diana Ross
Lou Rawls
Soundgarden
Iron Maiden
Motley Crue
Motorhead
Gordon Lightfoot
Jim Croce
The B-52's
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
King Crimson
Joe Cocker
Canned Heat
Herman's Hermits
Boston
Slayer

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 07/14/2021 @ 20:44pm

So are the ticket sales going on yet?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 07/14/2021 @ 20:59pm

A KING QUICK 20 NOMINEES FOR 2021-2022 CYCLE. July 15, 2021. No Particular Order.
1. Lenny Kravitz
2. Scorpions
3. Procol Harum
4. Iron Maiden
5. The Eurythmics
6. Bad Company
7. Kool & The Gang
8. Gram Parsons/Emmylou Harris
9. Bryan Adams
10. The Smiths
11. Mariah Carey
12. Duran Duran
13. Eminem
14. Smashing Pumpkins
15. Rage Against The Machine
16. Soundgarden
17. The Pointer Sisters
18. J. Geils Band
19. The Sonics
20. WAR
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 07/15/2021 @ 11:56am

King,
I am NO way ready for my predictions for the 2021-2022 cycle. But I can review yours. Now that other categories have been expanded I would say Procol Harum is a great pick for Music Excellence. Ones as diverse as Duran Duran, Pointer Sisters and J. Geils Band are all good picks. I assume you know the 1970s stuff from J Geils B. The earliest album I've heard from them is Full House. A bunch of people feel they don't have a chance in hell of being Inducted. Blues Rock has gone the wayside in recent years.
Can you enlighten me on the Sonics. I googled the them. I think they were a more innovative Garage band in the 1960s

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/18/2021 @ 04:31am

To Donnie and Philip,

If either of you are reading this I'd like you to continue your series on fixing the Singles Category (Donnie) and do the Songs of Proof for the class of 2020 (Philip).

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 07/18/2021 @ 17:05pm

Follower,
I will give a serious answer in their place. I would be curious to hear about fixing the singles category. It's sure a mess Right Now. It's strictly a project of Steve Van Zant. He has a lot of experience but somehow dropped the ball with Singles category. I think since other categories like Early influence were enhanced this Singles thing should be too.
Some songs that will enhance this thing are; Fire- Crazy World
Build me Up Buttercup- Foundations
Na Na hey Hey Goodbye-Steam
In the Summertime-Mungo Jerry
Want Ads-the Honey Cone
Will It Go Round in Circles-Billy Preston
Brother Louie-The Stories
Beach Baby- First Class
Ballroom Blitz-Sweet
Love Rollercoaster-Ohio Players
How are those as songs that could be inducted into the Singles

Posted by Ben on Monday, 07/19/2021 @ 04:18am

Ben,

I was talking about Donnie from Donnie's blog, who had put together a list of singles from the 50's to the 90's, but he has only put up the 50's and 60's songs. Next is the 70's singles. Are you there Donnie?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 07/19/2021 @ 11:32am

I'm sorry about that. I just was thinking in the meantime I'd list mostly songs of the 70s that should be inducted. But frankly this is kind of a silly category

Posted by Ben on Monday, 07/19/2021 @ 14:55pm

Hey Everyone,
Does anyonne have thoughts on the order of the Ceremony. I've decided it may for certain be a Tina Turner tribute to open and Foo Fighters to Close. Foo Fighters are therefore the headliner. But I'm having trouble with the rest of the order. Jay-Z and Foo Fighters could be co headliners. But no idea about the rest. I pick Tina Turner to open because I find the opening act is almost as important as the Headliner. In recent years Bon Jovi rocked the House opening and so did Stevie Nicks. A Tina T tribute would do the same. But I have no idea when for example the Carole King and Todd Rundgren segments will be. Todd R already announced he is a NO Show. That makes it easier to place him. What do you think?

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 07/20/2021 @ 04:23am

Ben, let's go whole hog...

"Convoy", "The Hustle", and "Muskrat Love" for the singles cat!

LOL

"Summer Breeze" is one of my favorite songs of the 70s and it's one of our (my wife and I)'s personal songs. That said, I wouldn't wish that joke of a category for one of the most beautiful songs ever created...

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 07/20/2021 @ 23:48pm

K Dawg,
Those choices are humorous. I believe Muslrat Love is from the Captain and Tenille. I was never into them. My strong tastes In Rock started around that time. But it's a big fav for my fiancée. My fiancée is into all the Easy Listening hits of the 1970s. They were a parallel to my ROCK in the 70s.
There must be a lot of 70s picks for singles.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 07/21/2021 @ 04:55am

K Dawg,
Yes Summer Breeze is one of my favorite songs of the 70s. You may dig this fact. I first heard it on the Radio everyday in the Summer of 1973. Not everyone can say that perhaps. Yep. We also agree that the Singles category is a joke of a category. My list is hypothetical. But there has been no mention of this category. It may get abandoned. It is a bit of a bad idea. At least the way it's done

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 07/21/2021 @ 14:48pm

I thought this was Rock & Roll.....not rap. Jay Z?????

Carol King?????

Clearly there needs to be a sea change of peeps running the RRHOF.

Monster Magnet should be on the list for next year, among many others that have been passed over for so many years.

Posted by Nick M. on Friday, 07/23/2021 @ 20:30pm

I thought this was Rock & Roll.....not rap. Jay Z?????

Carol King?????

Clearly there needs to be a sea change of peeps running the RRHOF.

Monster Magnet should be on the list for next year, among many others that have been passed over for so many years.

Posted by Nick M. on Friday, 07/23/2021 @ 20:30pm

LOL, who tf is Monster Magnet? I love the rockist white dudes pop out of the woodwork to alert everything to their narrowmindedness.

Posted by DC on Friday, 07/23/2021 @ 20:40pm

DC,
I love Rock I only know the name Monster Magnet. No idea man. I still love Eric Clapton, Allman Brothers Band, Grateful Dead, Steely Dan, Talking Heads, The Cars, Moody Blues, T. Rex, James Taylor, etc etc. And also love R&B like Earth, Wind & Fire, Bill Withers, the Spinners, etc. Jay-Z is alright I know 2 songs. Carole King is terrific. Is very deserved. And I love Tina Turner totally deserved. There you go.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/24/2021 @ 04:18am

Monster Magnet was a good band from the late 90s who had one good song.. "Space Lord". You are correct, they are far from HOF worthy.

Jay Z has an even stronger case for the "rock" part of the RRHOF than other rappers because he has dabbled in rock production; even without that, as has been explained repeatedly, rap has evolved from early rock n roll influences, which themselves evolved from Jazz and Blues, among other things. Rocker purists don't seem to grasp the "roll" part of the genre.

Complaining about Carole King? That's just f'ing stupid. She is folk ROCK, so she is both parts regardless of what purists think.

So his post is best disregarded as shallow and misunderstood. (His mentality, not him)

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 07/24/2021 @ 09:35am

You're not wrong about that. This the Hall of Fame we're talking about not the hall of flash in the pan artists that don't have popularity or impact. If they want to stay relevant they should focus on inducting artists that the people care about.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 07/24/2021 @ 09:41am

K Dawg, Ben, Nick M./DC,
I love that period of late 90's Rock where a ton of bands were forming, and you had a few cool songs emerge, but it seems a lot of the bands were short-lived..
Monster Magnet was one, and then there was Janus Stark, The Flys, Addict, Oleander, Spacehog, Orgy, Stabbing Westward, 8Stops5, and many more.. Good bands that just slipped through the cracks and did not score big..
Anybody remember the band Sponge, who had a couple of hits in the mid to late 90's with "Molly" and "Plowed".. I loved them, their CD, Rotting Pinata was classic...
I love to check out the movie soundtracks from that Era, as they featured a bunch of the bands that were putting out cutting edge music at the time. One I would recommend is the soundtrack to the movie Disturbing Behavior which was a bit of a weird off the wall flick with James Marsden, Nick Stahl and Katie Holmes, but the music is ultra cool and used well..
There are other cool soundtracks also like Gregg Araki's flicks, Nowhere, or The Doom Generation, with awesome bands, and also the first American Pie had a great soundtrack..
I'm sure some of you guys can add to the cool soundtracks list, or cool obscure bands from this overlooked and somewhat forgotten period of music.. Thanks.

Posted by Will N on Saturday, 07/24/2021 @ 14:18pm

Will N.,

Varsity Blues, Last Action Hero...others escape me

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 07/24/2021 @ 22:33pm

Tickets are going on sale soon!

And The Dude posting under a different name in 3...2...1...

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 07/24/2021 @ 22:44pm

Will N.
Great to hear from you.
Late 90s was a low for me with Rock. I was in my Folk and Jazz phase. Besides old Rock favs like the Neil Young, E Clapton, Allman Brothers B, G Dead, Aerosmith, Steely Dan, etc etc etc. I did hear a lot of Acoustic and Alt country bands like Jayhawks, Son Volt, Wilco and of course Phish who sooo very known. But besides that I remember some louder late 90s bands. Some of these are Reel Big Fish, Dance Hall Crashers, Nada Surf and Godsmack. I know music from these bands, Another couple are Hum, Eve 6 and Sloan. Those are some other cool obscure Rock bands of the late 90s. Respond back.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/25/2021 @ 07:58am

Hey Ben,
Those are some great additions to the late 90's Rock bands, obscure or not. I saw Godsmack and Wilco in concert back in early 2000's, and I love the Jayhawks also..
I remembered a few more from that era.. Fuel was very good, also Days of the New, Candlebox was great, Caroline's Spine, and a band called VAST..
As far as the cool soundtracks go, K Dawg added a few, and overall a lot of the teen or independent movies from that time always seemed to feature new music and artists who were releasing music at the same time..
The movie Kalifornia had a great soundtrack and of course The Crow with its amazing tunes may have gotten the ball rolling in the early 90's. And before that Grosse Point Blank has a fantastic soundtrack.
Say, has anyone checked out the HBO Music Box special documentary on Woodstock '99 ? It debuted on Friday night and it is an incredible account on probably the most intense and radical multi- day music event of all time..

Posted by Will N on Sunday, 07/25/2021 @ 16:53pm

You're one sh!tty ass CEO, Greg. We'll be shutting down this website for good, and move on to other things.

Posted by FRL on Sunday, 07/25/2021 @ 21:38pm

Will N.,
I loved Candlebox when they first came along. The first album is the great album. Played that all the time 1994. They were fading out by the time of LUCY. They had success with just the first album. Shortly after the CANDLEBOX album I went to Folk and Jazz mostly for the rest of the 1990s.
I recall a good soundtrack for the Crow. Hey Gross Pointe Blank came after. I'm an expert on Movies too. It was a movie in 1997.
I have HBO. I willl check out documentary on Woodstock '99.I'll look at HBO schedule for this

Posted by Ben on Monday, 07/26/2021 @ 06:29am

LOL! Monster Magnet is a punk-metal band. They have a few good songs. Not HOFworthy, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 07/26/2021 @ 06:50am

I had a co-worker who was WAAAYYYY into Monster Magnet in 1998. He thought they were the end-all be-all of rock. They never did much for me.

I'll add a few late 90's bands that I liked to the list. How abut Cornershop, Geggy Tah, Letters To Cleo, and Placebo. Lots of good flash-in-the-pan groups from that era.

Will N. you mentioned Sponge and I'm glad because I always thought they were a bit underrated. I actually have two tangential connections to Sponge. My son takes drum lessons from a guy who knows the lead singer Vinnie, so his band has played at a local festival that Vinnie runs and has met him. Also, I just found out last week that someone I play wally-ball with is the brother of one of the guitarists for Sponge. I forget which one. That's as close as I come to a brush with fame.

Posted by Michael W on Monday, 07/26/2021 @ 09:03am

Candlebox was the redheaded little stepbrother for the Seattle Grunge movement. That first album is awesome, and they had some great memorable hits on it, but they caught lightning in a bottle by being around the same time as Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. I was shocked, I will admit, when they didn't continue their momentum with their sophomore effort.

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 07/26/2021 @ 09:46am

Ben,
Thanks for the info on Candlebox. I saw them once opening for Lenny Kravitz along with Fuel.. great show!
We could probably go round and round on movie references..
Also the HBO Woodstock '99 show is called Music Box.. one of their series I would guess..

Posted by Will N on Monday, 07/26/2021 @ 16:25pm

I see The Dude is impersonating the webmaster now. What a pathetic person. Can he at least update the biggest selling bands not in the Hall while he's here? I always liked seeing that tracked.

Anyway, between Maroon 5, Alabama, and Foreigner, who will get inducted first? (Maroon 5 is the biggest selling band not in the hall, Alabama is the biggest selling not in the hall and old enough, and Foreigner is the biggest selling old enough actual rock band.)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 07/27/2021 @ 01:15am

He just can't let go and move on. We get it he thinks that the Rock Hall should have inducted Dave Matthews Band and Motley Crue just because they finished with the most votes in fan vote and kiosk vote. I always agreed that the top vote getter of the kiosk vote should be guaranteed a spot on the ballot but for some reason they didn't do that. However winning the kiosk vote shouldn't guarantee induction. I also think the fan vote should count for more than one ballot since more than one person is voting anyway.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 07/27/2021 @ 06:47am

K Dawg, Will N,
I want to do a variation on the late 90s. I want to go over to a decade earlier if it's Ok. LATE 80''s bands. Those I know a lot about. I Start with a big Flash- In- Pan that were huge in 1987. They are Europe. I heard them this morning. I know a LOT Of bands of the 80s.. You will recall EUROPE for Final COUNTDOWN. Ok I will Name lots of others and so will you I hope

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 07/27/2021 @ 07:18am

We all know it's you Dude. You claim to have moved on from following yet you keep coming back impersonating others. We all know what how each of us write so you can't fool us.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 07/27/2021 @ 10:33am

K-Dawg,

Stone Temple Pilots is on a roll right now with an upcoming Scott Weiland biopic (in development) and the remastering of Music from The Vatican Gift Shop. It helps that next year will be the 30th anniversary of Core, their debut. A strong showing for them and maybe a slam dunk 90s representative on the ballot. Thoughts?

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 07/27/2021 @ 10:50am

While I hold STP in a very high regard (they are part of the 90s grunge movement, and every bit as integral a band as the Seattle four, but forgotten because they aren't from the PNW), I always thought their best work was with Scott Weiland. It's a sad and mysterious thing to me how the lead singers of bands are always the tortured ones, and we've lost so many great ones dating back to Jim Morrison, and even Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix (although per se they weren't necessarily in traditional bands). The DeLeos are the backbone of STP, but Scott was the heart. Core, Purple and Vatican were their best work. I know we are chugging along and trying to make me feel old by having my formative years turn 30, but it is a marked achievement that Core is still getting airplay next to Nirvana and Pearl Jam on classic rock stations who want just to play Smells Like Teen Spirit and Even Flow once a day to hide them and return to their rocker elitist Van Halen and Journey oversaturation, and so to hear Plush and Creep on the radio is a testament to their endurance.

The problem for them, to me, is simple. You still have Soundgarden, who didn't make it in last year. You still have Alice in Chains, who I feel also deserves much more love, and they haven't even been nommed yet. The Hall is in a half-woke, half-placating phase right now where the early 90s is likely to be forgotten in favor of pleasing both the new contemporary crowd and the aging headbangers. If any 90s acts are slam dunks at this point in the genre, it's more likely to be the Smashing Pumpkins, No Doubt, or even Hootie and the Blowfish. Hear me out; they want to diversify the representation; that means acts that are not purely "white male". Hootie as a group doesn't even deserve a ticket to the RRHOF, but Darius Rucker has proven a versatile and enduring force in music, so they might get a token nod.

Personally, I'll stick to my guns with the Pumpkins being the next 90s band I want to see inducted. It's safer than hoping the other heavy hitters from the grunge era, including STP, will even get a sniff

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 07/27/2021 @ 13:02pm

Will N. and K Dawg,

I want to try to launch this chat about late 80s bands that were kind of Flash-in-the Pan. I mentioned Europe. Others I can mention are Cinderella, Georgia Satellites, White Lion, Midnight Oil, Mr. Big, Badlands and Love and Rockets. People please add to these. This chat should work

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 07/27/2021 @ 15:32pm

K-Dawg,

Yeah, this new phase of the Hall is probably gonna be for better or for worse. I'm hoping Smashing Pumpkins get on the ballot and steamroll in. Billy has an ego, but all rock stars have egos when you think about it even the nice ones that Hall Watchers oh so parades. No Doubt is simply No Doubt as I feel that in the future Gwen Stefani will get a compensation ME induction for everything in her career. That notion of Hootie scares me, but thankfully that's light years away. Stone Temple Pilots has Classic Rock roots and are very beloved by fans. Critics is another story, but some are beginning to see the band's input as great as their fans.

Here are my predictions right now:

The 60s:
Dionne Warwick

The 70s:
Bad Company
WAR
Diana Ross
New York Dolls
Kool and the Gang

The 80s:
Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Joy Division/ New Order
Iron Maiden

The 90s:
Rage Against The Machine
Soundgarden
Smashing Pumpkins
Mary J. Blige

All-Generational:
Chaka Khan

The 2000s:
Eminem

The Class:

Inductees:
Eminem
Rage Against The Machine
New York Dolls
Pat Benatar
Diana Ross
Joy Division/ New Order

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
Carol Kaye
Ashford and Simpson

Early Influence:
MC5
Chuck Willis
Big Mama Thornton

AE:
Rick Rubin

Thoughts and what do you think would get in based on this ballot?

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 07/27/2021 @ 18:20pm

Hey there, Plebeian. I hope you don't mind me putting my two cents in, but I wanna give you my Inductee Predictions based on your selections:

2022 Inductees:
Eminem
Rage Against the Machine
Iron Maiden
Pat Benatar
Diana Ross
Eurythmics

I'll tell you why, Plebeian. Because a lot heavy metal fans -- myself included -- are pretty darn angry about Iron Maiden not being inducted into the Hall. Plus, the people running the Hall know they will have to (whether they like it or not) get past their hatred of heavy metal if they want to prevent the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame from going the way of the dinosaur.

Posted by Johnny on Tuesday, 07/27/2021 @ 21:22pm

Follower,

I think Foreigner will be the first of those three bands to get in.

I have a hunch that Maroon 5 will be to the 00s/10s what bands like Foreigner & Styx are to the 70s/80s, Hall-wise - bands that are enormously commercially successful, but their critical indifference or disdain will mean that they don't get considered for decades.

Alabama is an interesting case in that they are a massively successful Country act (who yes, arguably made a lot of Southern Rock), but that massive success didn't really translate outside of the Country audience. Like, if you look at their singles chart history, it's an incredible run of consecutive hits on the country charts, but only a few breakthrough songs becoming moderate hits on the pop charts over a short period of the early 80s. The Hall has never really gone down the road of including country, so I think that even a very popular band like Alabama is just not really on their radar.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 07/27/2021 @ 21:57pm

Plebeian,

Out of your current predictions for the 2022 nominees (Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Mary J. Blige, Chaka Khan, Eminem, Eurythmics, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Kool & The Gang, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Diana Ross, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, War and Dionne Warwick). I wanna give you my predictions for inductees based on your picks:

Bad Company (token Classic Rock pick)
Pat Benatar (see Bad Company, plus more Women in the Hall)
Eminem (duh)
Eurythmics (the next big 80's New Wave/Alternative act to get in, plus very well-respected with a lot of friends in the industry)
Rage Against The Machine (There seems to be a pattern with acts getting in on their 4th try, N.W.A. got in on their 4th try in 2016 and then, Three years later in 2019, The Zombies got in on their 4th try, So I think that their long-awaited reunion tour which is finally scheduled to begin next year will finally get them in on their 4th try)
Diana Ross (The next Female member of the Clyde McPhatter Club following Tina Turner, Carole King and Stevie Nicks, plus there is a 5-year pattern for Diana getting special lifetime honors (BET Lifetime Achievement Award and Kennedy Center Honor in 2007, Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award in 2012 and the American Music Awards Lifetime Achievement Award in 2017), So I think next year, She finally gets nominated for her solo career and goes right in as well)

As much as I love New York Dolls, If they couldn't get in this year after a 20-year absence from the ballot, then I doubt that they ever will and As much as I love Joy Division/New Order, I think that they're too British to get in yet, Yes, Roxy Music and T. Rex both got in, but both bands had a lot of respect in the industry, JD/NO do not, plus they haven't even been considered yet, so I think that they'll have to wait a while to get in in terms of 80's New Wave/Alternative acts, I think that we'll see Eurythmics, The B-52's, Duran Duran, Devo and possibly The Smiths get in before JD/NO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 07/28/2021 @ 10:58am

Dusty hill of zz top has died at 72. RIP

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 07/28/2021 @ 22:18pm

Half the class of 2004 is now dead! On the bright side, half of them are alive!


So, time to update the # of living and dead inductees. I don't know why I keep track of this, but here it is:

Living Members of 1986-2009 (expect 2007), and 2012:

1986: 2/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis and Don Everly)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 9/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Charlie Watts, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 23/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Calvin Simon, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Mavis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 7/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Don Wilson, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 13 or 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson. It is unknown if Glouster "Nat" Rogers is alive or dead.)
2012: 30 or 31/70 (Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Joey Ambrose, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Norman Thrasher, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, all seven members in Guns N Roses, every Chili Pepper other than Hillel Slovak [7 members], Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, and Glyn Johns. It is unknown if Charles Sutton is alive or dead.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 16/19 (Cowboy, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 20/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 17/22 (Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 07/28/2021 @ 22:46pm

Follower, without looking too closely (just perusing) I think you let Lars Ulrich of Metallica off your list...

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 07/29/2021 @ 00:36am

Follower,
I have questions. Since my Late 80s chat hasn't really caught on Instead I have questions about your list of Living and Dead members.
Why did you skip 2010 for Living members. You should have listed all members of Aba and Genesis.
Also who on earth is Cowboy? I am not aquainted with this one at all. I seem to know all the others. But not Cowboy. When I google it a Cowboy out west comes up. Let me know. It's obviously not REM or Van Halen of 2007. Those are my questions

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/29/2021 @ 03:26am

Plebeian
I made a mock-up nominee reveal vid for your predictions: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ANYtgF-x9L4&pp=sAQA

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 07/29/2021 @ 14:14pm

Raichu,

Oh wow! Look so official!
Thanks man!

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 07/29/2021 @ 14:34pm

Ben,

Cowboy is a member of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. I didn't skip any year, I just thought that, since the class of 2012 had so many members of older backup groups that naming the living members would be more interesting. Since 2007 has the most living members of the pre-2010 classes, I decided to group them with the latter portion of the list where the dead members are listed.

K Dawg,

I can't believe I forgot Lars Ulrich! I guess I should add him next time a hall of famer dies. The class of 2009 has 14 or 15 living members.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 07/29/2021 @ 15:05pm

K-Dawg,

I still haven't gotten a response from you on my predictions. You still analyzing?

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 07/29/2021 @ 15:34pm

I'll hash it out in the next couple days, Plebeian. Sorry, been super busy with work, and the Dusty Hill's death hit like a ton of bricks. ZZ Top was one of the bands I thought was going to stay rockin into their 80s. I've been hitting and running lately, and still am in the mode of waiting for a certain someone to post his nonsense again..well, brace for it and kill off any momentum this board has of decent convo. It's been kind of nice the last couple days

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 07/30/2021 @ 02:38am

Follower,
I'm Not sure that's what happened. I do NOT see LIVING members listed for 2007 at alll Where's the living members of REM like MICHAEL Stipe, VAN Halen members. It's VERY confusing but that's OK. It's NOT important.
But Thank you for telling me who COWBOY is. I don't mind RAP In the Hall. I look at the Hall as the MUSIC Hall of Fame. Most music can be connected to Rock. It's all good with including Rap. But I do Lack Rap knowledge. I do NOT know most members RAP members. This happens when you listen to Rock and some Mellow old R&B your whole life. I have never Googled Grandmaster Flash. From the same Class there is the RONETTES. I do NOT know all the members of RONETTES either. I just know Ronnie Spector. You may respond. That's it for NOW

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/30/2021 @ 06:53am

Todd Rundgren, you are 100% correct. As an Ohioan, I am ashamed to know that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is about three hours away from me (in the same state as me). Think about the hundreds of artists like Todd who never got in until recently or will never get in in the next hundred years.

Posted by I Forgot My Old Username on Sunday, 08/1/2021 @ 18:51pm

K-Dawg,

Not to be rude and trying to rush you, but I hope you had the time to see my predictions. If you want me to send you it again I can. I just hope the influx of Stan accounts of certain bands doesn't discourage you to find them.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 08/4/2021 @ 14:44pm

Sorry Plebeian...I got busy again, and we had an uninvited interruption which seems to have slowed down the board. Will input soon...sorry

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 08/5/2021 @ 00:26am

Alright since Plebeian & others made their predictions for next year, i thought i'll be fun that i would like to share mine with all of you. So here's my thoughts for next year.

Returning Nominees:
Pat Benatar
Eric B. & Rakim
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Motorhead
New York Dolls
Thin Lizzy
War

New Nominees:
Beck
Eminem
The Jam
Joy Division/New Order
Lenny Kravitz
Diana Ross
Smashing Pumpkins
Weezer

Class of 2022 inductees
Performer Category:
Pat Benatar
Eminem
Joy Division/New Order
New York Dolls
Diana Ross
Smashing Pumpkins
if 7:
Judas Priest

Early Influence:
Dick Dale
Ella Fitzgerald
Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence:
King Crimson
Chaka Khan with or without Rufus
MC5

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Ashford & Simpson

Presenters:
Martina McBride
50 Cent
Paul Banks of Interpol
Kerry King of Slayer (if there's 7 inductees)
Slash of Guns N' Roses
Beyonce
Gerard Way of My Chemical Romance
Pete Townsend of The Who
Adele
Brittany Howard of Alabama Shakes
Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree
Stevie Wonder
Mick Jones of The Clash

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 08/7/2021 @ 17:48pm

Plebeian, RG and others,

What are your predictions for the 2022 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 08/7/2021 @ 20:46pm

KING August 2021 Quick (20) Nominees For 2022.
1. Foreigner
2. Duran Duran
3. Judas Priest
4. Procol Harum
5. Soundgarden
6. Kool & The Gang
7. Pat Benatar
8. Scorpions
9. Diana Ross
10. Black Crowes
11. Rage Against The Machine
12. WAR
13. Chaka Khan/Rufus
14. Smashing Pumpkins
15. Lenny Kravitz
16. Bad Company
17. Mariah Carey
18. The Eurythmics
19. Eminem
20. Bryan Adams
Special Awards
Early Influence (2)
MC5
The Sonics

Musical Excellence (3)
Chaka Khan
Los Lobos
Procol Harum
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 08/7/2021 @ 22:46pm

Phillip,

I'm different, f**k your opinion!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 07:34am

Dang KING, those are nice predictions. I'll give out my thoughts.

1. Foreinger - Well it took The Doobie Brothers over 20+ years to get inducted because their influence as a whole is underrated & unremarkable, i could see the same for Foreinger & others. It's going to take a hard time for them being finally nominated let alone inducted.
2. Duran Duran - I could see them being one of the canidates for the future induction but i can't see them being inducted before such acts like Joy Division/New Order, Devo & possibly Bauhaus or Siouxsie & The Banshees.
3. Judas Priest - I literally anticipated that Judas Priest would finally be inducted following their possible third nomination, but giving the fact that the Hall doesn't like Metal i don't see that happening unless the Hall has decide to put them in finally.
4. Procol Harum - I don't see them being nominated again because most people know or heard of them by their biggest single "A Whiter Shade of Pale". Their mostly a 60's act & the hall is moving on from including the ones from that decade. As for ME, it's going to be a long shot.
5. Soundgarden - I literally would like to see them being nominated but here's the things that are working against them: One is that Nirvana & Pearl Jam are inducted & the Hall thinks that they covered the "Grunge" period & the other is that they're also Metal (which is unrepresnted by the Hall), i wish they would be inducted before 2025.
6. Kool & The Gang - I'll say yes but for Musical Excellence. I believe Chaka Khan wth & wthout Rufus is getting snubbed every year & i think the ME award would be a great one for her & them. Same could be said for Kool & The Gang even though they haven't been nominated yet.
7. Pat Benatar - I think she would be one of the canidates for next year especially when the inductions are going to be held in NYC. Well Tina Turner finally got inducted so next year might be her time.
8, Scorpions - I can't see them being nominated at all because of the Hall doesn't like metal & they consistenly have been inducting US & UK artists & Scorpions are neither & with Kraftwerk being inducted for Early Influence, i could see the same for Scorpions (although they haven't been nominated before.)
9. Diana Ross - Yeah, she might be considered as a 4th female artist to be inducted twice if that happens, so yeah she deserves it.
10. Black Crowes - I can't see them being nominated at all let alone inducted. They don't stand out as the other 90's acts.

I'll deal with the rest later.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 09:25am

Jordan Einstein,

Out of your current predictions for the 2022 nominees (Beck, Pat Benatar, Eminem, Eric B. & Rakim, Eurythmics, The Jam, Joy Division/New Order, Judas Priest, Lenny Kravitz, Motorhead, New York Dolls, Diana Ross, Smashing Pumpkins, Thin Lizzy, War and Weezer). I think the following would be inducted:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Eminem
Eurythmics
Diana Ross
Smashing Pumpkins

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 11:12am

Jordan Einstein, that wasn't the real Phillip...

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 11:13am

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, Jordan Einstein and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2022 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 3 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart in 2020. Additionally, John Prine may receive an induction, due to his passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2022 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 more women, which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 8 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat last year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.


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08. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
09. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
10. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
11. Motörhead - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here.
12. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
13. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
14. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to The Dude to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here.
15. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
16. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
17. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
18. Twisted Sister- Why not?
19. Lita Ford

Other possibilities:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Weezer

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 13:44pm

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, Jordan Einstein, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2022 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 3 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart in 2020. Additionally, John Prine may receive an induction, due to his passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2022 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 more women, which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 9 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat the previous year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.


———————————————————————————————————-———————
08. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
09. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
10. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
11. Motörhead - I will leave this up to a hard rock expert to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here.
12. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
13. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
14. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to a hard rock expert to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here.
15. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
16. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
17. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
18. Twisted Sister- Why not?
19. Lita Ford?
20. Kansas- The recent passing of Robby Steinhardt (former violinist and vocalist) was huge news, plus there are not many "American" prog artists in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, other than perhaps: Frank Zappa, The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead, Talking Heads and Journey.
21. Foreigner- Mick Jones and Lou Gramm had formerly been inducted into the Songwriters' Hall Of Fame in 2013.

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Weezer

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 14:02pm

K Dawg,

What do you mean? Is that someone else pretending to be him?

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 14:12pm

K Dawg,

So is that someone else right?

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 14:13pm

Here's my predictions for next year:

Nominees:
Nickelback
Bad Company
Styx
REO Speedwagon
Boston
Rainbow
Ted Nugent
Meat Loaf
Whitesnake
Poison
Twisted Sister
Warrant
Ratt
Tesla
Hot Tuna
Asia
The Firm
GTR

Class of 2022:
Ted Nugent
Bad Company
Nickelback
Poison
Meat Loaf
Rainbow
Whitesnake
Hot Tuna

Posted by Token George on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 14:48pm

It's he who shall not be named. Same guy pretending to be a member of the rrhof committee...its a troll

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 18:26pm

Alright K Dawg,

Sorry to the Philip guy. Not the troll who made that comment to me

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 20:51pm

My blurb again (side note: Plebeian, I need to go back and read what you had put up. I will get you an answer soon, hope it will be as detailed as I like)

K-Dawg's Way Too Early 2022 predictions:

1. Smashing Pumpkins - The most perplexing omission of the 90s bands thus far. They have everything--monster albums, a diverse lineup, and a critical darling in Billy Corgan. It's only a matter of time before they enter Cleveland; hopefully, they can get the original lineup to patch things up, which is by far no easy task.

2. Rage Against the Machine - Tom Morello and crew will get a long hard look, especially since fellow Committee member Dave Grohl coasted in FYE with the Foo Fighters. Their politically charged music is as relevant as ever in 2021.


3. Eminem - Love him or hate him, Marshal Mathers is all but guaranteed to go in for 22, but I can totally see him going Sex Pistols on the whole affair...

4. Duran Duran - Prog adjacent, and easily one of the biggest 80s bands yet to even fail to garner a nom for the Hall; I hold to the thought this well could be their year.

5. Carly Simon - With Carole King getting over the hump, Carly is a natural songwriters choice. How is the voice behind "You're So Vain" still waiting on the outside?

6. The B52s - There aren't many more clear cut choices for an originally influential band than this quintet. They are the pioneers of college rock. And they are socially conscious and LBGT darlings, so that could factor in

7. Eurythmics - The Smiths and Joy Divison/New Order keep getting mentioned; however, since the Nom Com has proven time and again they are Americentric, the very deserving duet of Lennox and Stewart will get consideration and again, a very worthy potential inductee.

8. Foreigner - 70s rock is still not completely tapped out; in terms of popularity and sales, Foreigner has proven they are probably the most notable pop rock band left from a saturated genre.

9. Mariah Carey - with Whitney, Janet and now Tina Turner in, the R&B/pop pendulum is swinging Mariah's way.

10. Harry Nilsson - a choice I wouldn't have seen a year ago, but with Todd Rundgren getting a surprise induction as a performer, Harry becomes an instant candidate to be next

11. Motley Crue - I am in the minority in thinking that the committee does want to close the trinity of 80s hair band superstars, and Crue will get another look.

12. Iron Maiden - Another minority pick by me, I think that Maiden will not go as quietly as some think; they made enough noise to be heard from again. Priest could also resurface, but I don't think they're ready for Ozzy yet...

13. TLC - Rappers are getting in left and right, but no female hip hop act has yet been nominated. Salt N Pepa arguably should get the first look, but TLC has both the success and the tragedy (the passing of Left Eye in 2002), so they have the more compelling story. This also will lead to the eventual FYE of Beyonce in about, what, 6 years?

14. Tori Amos - The late 90s were a powerful time for feminism and the Lilith Fair. Tori Amos is innovative and a critical darling. She has the influence and reputation to get a look.

15. Bad Company - Always on the top of my list for omissions, Paul Rodgers NEEDS to be in. It's criminal they keep passing him over.

16. The Monkees - to my mind, the last great 60s group waiting on the outside. 2 members already passed and they are embarking on a farewell tour this upcoming year. It's time to put them in the RRHOF

17. Soundgarden - Grunge isn't dead yet, and Soundgarden could get another look. AIC also should get some consideration in this slot.

18. The Commodores - Lionel Richie and his original group still remain a great case to get some more 70s R&B in. The Hall can't get this right either.

19. Phil Collins - My WTF pick of the entire list; the Hall likes to put artists in more than once, regardless if they're worthy or it steals a spot from a long deserved and forgotten person. Phil is a big name who would get attention. And, for his credit, that drum solo on "In the AIr Tonight"...well...legend

I'm begrudgingly accepting Kraftwerk in a non-performer induction, although I'm still bitter beyond belief that this committee can't do the right thing and consider them full blown worthy of the main enshrinement. However, with the ridiculous backlog, gotta take what you can get, I suppose.

Thoughts?

Posted by K Dawg on Monday, 08/9/2021 @ 01:19am

MY BIGGEST SNUBS (based on previously considered list)
Bad Company
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Canned Heat
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Chubby Checker
Chic
Devo
Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Iron Maiden
Joe Cocker
Link Wray and His Wray Men
Motorhead
Rufus and Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
The Big Bopper
The J. Geils Band
The Marshall Tucker Band
The Smiths
The Sugarhill Gang

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 08/9/2021 @ 01:19am

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, Jordan Einstein, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2022 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 3 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart in 2020. Additionally, John Prine may receive an induction, due to his passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2022 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 more women, which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.
02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 9 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat the previous year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.
06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.
07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.


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08. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
09. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
10. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
11. Motörhead - I will leave this up to a hard rock expert to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here.
12. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
13. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
14. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to a hard rock expert to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here.
15. Eurythmics- maybe, or perhaps Devo?
16. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
17. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
18. Twisted Sister- Why not?
19. Lita Ford?
20. Kansas- The recent passing of Robby Steinhardt (former violinist and vocalist) was huge news, plus there are not many "American" prog artists in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, other than perhaps: Frank Zappa, The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead, Talking Heads and Journey.
21. Foreigner- Mick Jones and Lou Gramm had formerly been inducted into the Songwriters' Hall Of Fame in 2013.

Alternative artists:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Weezer
Eminem
Commodores

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 08/9/2021 @ 07:29am

@K-Dawg

I'd also like to mention Mariah Carey's longevity. She debuted in 1990 and after Britney Spears, she's the most streamed female artist of 2020 pre 2000's, and 15th most streamed artist overall. (per Rolling Stone).

Posted by Ralib Allen on Tuesday, 08/10/2021 @ 15:06pm

I'm starting to accept Early Influence Kraftwerk too. Yes, they should have gotten in properly, but given everything, it's starting to work. And maybe Gil-Scott Heron too, since they call him a Jazz poet and Jazz isn't Rock and Roll so it's better there.

The EI category could theoretically be used for people who made non-rock music from later days. Let's hope they stick with this and don't go ahead and induct a country singer from the 90's with this, though.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 08/10/2021 @ 20:39pm

Due to the fact that the whole cycle has shifted over. I haven't posted any serious list of Predictions for 2022.
However, I think there is a few things that will happen. I think yve Bangles and Pat Benatar will be women on the ballot also Eminem will be on the ballot for sure. That will be a Game changer. I don't think I know a single tune by Eminem. I was in my early 30s listening to the next E Clapton or Bonnie Raitt Album or listening to my folk and Jazz. Lucinda Williams and Martin Sexton are certainly far away from him.
Anyway also Prog rock acts I think will make a return to the ballot. Most notably Jethro Tull. Those are my thoughts on a 2022 ballot.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 08/11/2021 @ 02:50am

Hey what's the matter with me. I hold a torch for the 1970s. I was playing some tunes from America. I'm using them as a prediction for 2022. But are America viable for the RNR H of Fame. They had terrific harmonies, hits and popularity. They fall into a niche with Chicago sort of. What are your thoughts. Also Loggins & Messina and Poco come to Mind. Country rock was very prevelent in the 70s. Jim Croce was another possible nominee pick of the 70s. Everyone give thoughts

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 08/12/2021 @ 05:51am

Of the ones you mentioned I'd guess Jim Croce has the best shot for a nomination. He's right there in that James Taylor/Joni Mitchell/Carole King mold. Loggins and Messina have a shot because the Hall might want to get Kenny Loggins in somehow and his solo career might be a bit too cheesy (but enjoyable) to get him in on its own. Though I'm a fan, America seems like a longshot and Poco seems like an extremely longshot. I'd throw Harry Nilsson in ahead of those two, and probably ahead of Loggins and Messina as well.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 08/12/2021 @ 15:13pm

K-Dawg,

Refresher for you in case you're having trouble.

The 60s:
Dionne Warwick

The 70s:
War
Bad Company
Kool and the Gang
New York Dolls
Diana Ross

The 80s:
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/ New Order
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar

The 90s:
Rage Against The Machine
Soundgarden
Mary J. Blige
The Smashing Pumpkins

All-Generational:
Chaka Khan

The 00s:
Eminem

The Class:

Eminem
Pat Benatar
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
Diana Ross
Joy Division/ New Order
If 7: The Smashing Pumpkins

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton
MC5
Chuck Willis

Musical Excellence:
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan
Sanford and Simpson

AE:
Rick Rubin

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 08/13/2021 @ 16:54pm

*Ashford

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 08/13/2021 @ 16:56pm

Here's something for you, Rock Hall bands whose members are all dead!:

Every Early Influence band other than Kraftwerk
The Coasters
The Platters
The Jimi Hendrix Experiance
The Moonglows
The Famous Flames

To counter, bands whose members are all alive:

Simon and Garfunkel
Martha and the Vandellas
The (Young) Rascals
Crosby Stills Nash
Aerosmith
The Police
Elvis Costello and the Attractions
U2
Blondie
Black Sabbath
REM
Genesis
ABBA
Guns N Roses
Public Enenmy
Heart
KISS
Daryll Hall and John Oats
Green Day
Cheap Trick
Journey
Pearl Jam
Electric Light Orchestra
Dire Straits
Bon Jovi
Radiohead
The Cure
Nine Inch Nails
Depeche Mode
The Go-Go's
Foo Fighters

As a bonus, bands down to one living inducted member:

The Everly Brothers (Don Everly)
The Supremes (Diana Ross)
The Drifters (Charlie Thomas)
The Temptations (Otis Williams)
The Four Tops (Abdul "Duke" Fakir)
Ike and Tina Turner (Tina Turner)
Cream (Eric Clapton)
The Bee Gees (Barry Gibb)
The Mamas and The Papas (Michelle Philips)
The Staple Singers (Mavis Staples)
Ramones (Marky Ramone)
Righteous Brothers (Bill Medley)
The Ventures (Don Wilson)
The Miracles (Claudette Rogers Robinson)
The Comets (Joey Ambrose)
T. Rex (Bill Legend)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 08/16/2021 @ 00:36am

K-Dawg,

Still anticipating for my response. Are you doing okay? I'm worried about you man.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 08/16/2021 @ 01:27am

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, Jordan Einstein, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2022 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 3 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart in 2020. Additionally, John Prine may receive an induction, due to his passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2022 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 more women, which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 9 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat the previous year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.

08. Kansas- The recent passing of Robby Steinhardt (former violinist and vocalist) was huge news, plus there are not many "American" prog artists in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, other than perhaps: Frank Zappa, The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead, Talking Heads and Journey. They have strong advocates in both Brian May, long time inductee with Queen and Garth Brooks- soon to be nominated for induction himself. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).


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09. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
10. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
11. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
12. Motörhead - I will leave this up to a hard rock expert to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here.
13. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
14. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
15. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to a hard rock expert to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here.
16. Eurythmics
17. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
18. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
19. Twisted Sister- Why not?
20. Lita Ford?
21. Foreigner- Mick Jones and Lou Gramm had formerly been inducted into the Songwriters' Hall Of Fame in 2013.

Alternative artists:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Weezer
Eminem
Commodores
Garth Brooks
Shania Twain
Jim Croce
Dan Fogelberg
Warren Zevon

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 08/16/2021 @ 07:31am

Donnie posted the newest installment of Fixing The Singles Category! It's 70's time!

https://donniesblogwordpresscom.wordpress.com/2021/08/15/candidates-for-the-rnrhof-singles-category-pt-2-the-1970s/


Layla by Derek and the Dominoes
War by Edwin Starr
All Right Now by Free
O-o-h Child by The Five Stairsteps
Hold Your Head Up by Argent
American Pie by Don McLean
I Can See Clearly Now by Johnny Nash
Think (About It) by Lynn Collins
Stuck In The Middle With You by Stealers Wheel
Drift Away by Dobie Gray
Rock The Boat by The Hues Corporation
Cats in the Cradle by Harry Chapin
Fooled Around and Fell in Love by Elvin Bishop
Disco Inferno by The Trammps
Don't Leave Me This Way by Thelma Houston
Turn The Beat Around by Vicki Sue Robinson
I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor
Teenage Kicks by The Undertones
YMCA by The Village People
Pop Muzik by M
We Are Family by Sister Sledge
Video Killed The Radio Star by The Buggles
My Sharona by The Knack
What I Like About You by The Romantics
Rapper's Delight by The Sugarhill Gang

Do they belong in the singles category, or are they better as performers?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 08/16/2021 @ 23:11pm

Plebeian...

sorry I'm doing ok. Just haven't been able to get my energies devoted in the direction of the critique you are asking for yet. There's a lot going on in life, and I will try to get to them when I have the time and inclination. Sorry, you are a very good analyst and passionate, as we all are. There are some other things going on right now that require my attention. Don't worry, I'll be back on it soon.

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 08/17/2021 @ 16:02pm

I found an article from the Hall's website showcasing the new 2021 nominees, released months ago. At the bottom it says that in order to be eligible the artist's first record has to have been released at least 25 years ago. Have they gone back to that?

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 08/17/2021 @ 23:00pm

They never stopped, Garrus. That's why Eminem is eligible for the first time this year. His album was released in 1996.

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 08/18/2021 @ 09:25am

FRL says 26 years.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 08/18/2021 @ 18:46pm

The MIRACLES have TWO SURVIVING MEMBERS…or did you forget about Claudette's ex-husband ? His name is William.
People call him SMOKEY.
(And yes, despite of Rock Hall stupidity, he was a member of the Miracles too, and should've been inducted with them back in 1987.)

Posted by Bill G on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 00:27am

Ok Plebeian...you analysis...I will comment after your listings:

Here are my (Plebeian's) predictions right now:

The 60s:
Dionne Warwick--I know she is a darling to some, but Diana Ross is not in solo, and she would really be the first choice. I don't see Ms Warwick as getting in

The 70s:
Bad Company--a glaring omission, as I have stated in my own picks, Paul Rodgers is too iconic to not be in
WAR--they have a decent shot, but they'd have to get nommed first. Like T-Rex, they're only really know for one song
Diana Ross--I'd call her 60s, and while she has a better shot to be chosen than Dionne, I think there's too many contemporary choices for her to be very high on the priorities
New York Dolls--they've had their chances, but I think the Kraftwerk treatment awaits them
Kool and the Gang--a real shot, but I'd love to see the Commodores, Spinners or Ohio Players get some recognition too

The 80s:
Pat Benatar--I think the writing is on the wall, just don't know when they'll get around to it
Eurythmics--I think they are closer than many think; Annie and Dave are much too talented and popular to be ignored.
Joy Division/ New Order--they definitely belong, problem for them is they have to wait for American acts first, I think, which would be solver with the Eurythmics getting in
Iron Maiden--a group that should be in already, but the Hall can't get their heads right

The 90s:
Rage Against The Machine--not a question of if, but when
Soundgarden--a solid choice, and I may have to wait to see AIC get in until after Cornell and crew goes in
Smashing Pumpkins--literally my personal top choice for the 90s, as I've said, the biggest tragedy is the rift between Corgan and D'arcy Wretzky. I would love to see them reunite the classic lineup with Iha and Chamberlin, to go in
Mary J. Blige--I think she'll get in eventually, but I believe Mariah is going to get a look first.

All-Generational:
Chaka Khan--She's approaching Chic territory

The 2000s:
Eminem--a slam dunk.

The Class:

Inductees:
Eminem
Rage Against The Machine
New York Dolls
Pat Benatar
Diana Ross
Joy Division/ New Order

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
Carol Kaye
Ashford and Simpson

Early Influence:
MC5
Chuck Willis
Big Mama Thornton

AE:
Rick Rubin

Thoughts and what do you think would get in based on this ballot?

Posted by K Dawg on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 00:32am

The CHI-LITES are getting a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame this year. Yet in over 40 years, they have never been nominated, not even once!! So why are all these rappers getting in…on the FIRST TRY ??

Posted by Bill G on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 00:43am

Dionne deserves to go in before Diana solo.
She is already in…with The Supremes.
Dionne has had a PHENOMENAL career !!
Until recently, she had MORE CHART HITS than ANY FEMALE SOLO ARTIST IN HISTORY…
…with the sole exception of ARETHA!!
And , for those that claim that her music is "too POP" , I say this…
You can't get more POP than ROSS !!
But that didn't stop HER from getting in!!
From Wikipedia: "Warwick ranks among the 40 BIGGEST HIT MAKERS between 1955 and 1999…based on her chart history on Billboard's Hot 100 Singles chart. She is one of the MOST-CHARTED FEMALE VOCALISTS OF ALL TIME…with 56 of her singles making the Hot 100 between 1962-1998…with 12 of them reaching the Top Ten…and 80 SINGLES in TOTAL, ,either SOLO or collaboratively, reaching the Hot 100, R&B, or Adult Contemporary charts."

Posted by Bill G on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 01:10am

Dionne should have been in years ago. In the Rock Hall Revisited project I'm taking part in, we inducted her for the 1988 class.

To me a travesty that a star of her magnitude is not in.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 06:33am

K-Dawg,

Thanks for the comments, man. I do think Warwick will show up again on the ballot and while I'm not a HUGE fan, there are some that see her worthy (not me, but that's a another story). I chose Ross because it seems logical to have her be the next double inductee after Turner and King. I would give the NY Dolls a third chance again as it seemed they had the votes and support to get in. I disagree War being known for one song, but I wouldn't lie that Low Rider gets the most airplay from it. Eurythmics and Bad Company I could see get in next year as both have industry support. Iron Maiden will not get in unless the Hall stops being prejudiced to anything Heavy Metal. I'm betting on Rage and Pumpkins to get in, but the question is when. Mary J. Blige has a new documentary now so she should be considered again for them. Mariah Carey getting considered will be dark day for these forums let me tell you. The rest I agree with.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 09:50am

When it comes to the biggest singles acts and biggest albums acts not in the Hall, Warrwick is high on both lists. (Within Rock Hall parameters, meaning removing country, traditional pop, and some other stuff that clearly won't be concidered.)

Singles-wise, she's #6 behind Mariah Carey, Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Usher, and Connie Francis.

Albums-wise, she's #4 behind Dave Matthews Band, Diana Ross, and Mariah Carey.

(the info is from 2015, so some other people may have outplaced her by now)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 10:29am

Speak for yourself, Plebeian, some of us think Mariah Carey is completely deserving!

Posted by RG on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 10:58am

RG,

First, are you the real RG? Because I know a certain someone was impersonating you. Second, I have no hate against Carey, but man if she gets nominated and actually coast to getting in. I expect this website to crash for such angry reactions. That's just me, but hey she does have a higher chance to getting in than Blige.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 12:40pm

Plebeian,

Yeah it's me lol, there wasn't enough word salad about consumerism to be the other guy. And idk, I feel like I haven't seen much vitriol about Mariah when her name comes up here - certainly among the "bUt sHe'S nOt RoCk!!!1!" randos that pop in to complain, but otherwise I don't think she'd be all that controversial.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 13:01pm

I will be quite surprised if Mimi doesn't get in by 2035 (hoping to be alive then) :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 08/19/2021 @ 13:34pm

Am I the only that has serious confidence in Eminem getting in next year? He is pretty mellow now considering the man is almost 50 (unless you target him and his family, then you deserve to get roasted) and frankly is pretty much cancel proof as he has survived controversy after controversy throughout his entire career. Not to mention, even rock purists have respect for the man as Slim Shady says, "I have the balls to say!" Maybe I'm too much a fan of him, but dude really is that unstoppable.

Anyone's thoughts?

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 08/20/2021 @ 02:18am

I'd say it's pretty well a given, especially considering how jay z and foo fighters coasted in ahead of hundreds of arguably deserving other candidates who have been waiting for years

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 08/20/2021 @ 05:00am

Yeah Eminem is pretty much a lock for a nomination and should get in first ballot unless people don't vote for him based on his lyrical content. Outside of that, there's no reason for him not to sail in. He's a highly skilled rapper and his lyrics, while often offensive, can also be quite clever. He's easily one of the most important, controversial, and creative artists of the last 25 years.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 08/20/2021 @ 07:48am

So it looks like Belinda Carliese cancelled her UK tour dates. Does this mean she will join the other 4 members?

As for the other inductees:

Tina's not showing up. She hasn't confirmed but it's obvious considering everything.
Todd's not showing up, and giving the Hall a middle finger by playing in another city in Ohio on the same night.
Foo Fighters are obviously showing up.
Carole King has confirmed she will show up.
We haven't heard anything from Jay-Z.
LL Cool J will probably show up.
Billy Preston and Randy Rhodes are dead.
I highly doubt anyone from Kraftwerk will show.
Gil Scott-Heron and Charley Patton are dead.
Clarence Avant is super old, so I doubt he'll show.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 08/20/2021 @ 12:15pm

Also, someone should make a list of Rock Hallers Eminem has dissed. It's probably not very long considering the lack of rappers in the Hall, but he probably has dissed a few of them.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 08/21/2021 @ 19:39pm

My predictions for next year
Nominees:
REO Speedwagon: Classic rock pick
Motörhead: Lemmy has a biopic coming out next year so that may boost their chances. Doubt it tho.
Fela Kuti, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick: Lumping these 3 together as they did well on the fan vote
Eminem: No brainer pick
Rage Against the Machine: Probably gonna be 4th times the charm for these guys
The Bangles: The next logical step after the Go-Gos
Blur: if the Hall decides to induct some Britpop, these guys should be first but they would probably go with Oasis

Inductees:
Iron Maiden
The Bangles
Eminem
Dionne Warwick
REO Speedwagon
RATM
Blur

Early Influence:
MC5
Frank Sinatra
Slade

Non-Performer:
Rick Rubin
Don Cornelius
The original MTV VJs

That one special category that was used to induct the backing bands in 2012:
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Wings
The Revolution
The Wailers

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 08/21/2021 @ 19:55pm

I'm I the only one that does not get The Go-Go's hype? I honestly don't see them worthy in my opinion.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 08/21/2021 @ 23:20pm

Actually ignore that comment, I'm being stupid. Their just not my cup of tea.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 08/21/2021 @ 23:22pm

Don Everly has passed...does that just leave Jerry Lee from the original class?

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 08/21/2021 @ 23:29pm

Yes. Jerry Lee Lewis is the last man standing from the initial Rock Hall class.

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 08/21/2021 @ 23:57pm

Jerry just keeps living wtf

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 08/22/2021 @ 00:35am

Well, here's the update:

Living Members of 1986-2009 (expect 2007), and 2012:

1986: 1/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis. Sole Survivor!)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 9/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Charlie Watts, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 23/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Calvin Simon, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli) This is also the most recent class where more than half of the inductees are still alive.
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Mavis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 7/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Don Wilson, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 14 or 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson. It is unknown if Glouster "Nat" Rogers is alive or dead.)
2012: 30 or 31/70 (Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Joey Ambrose, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Norman Thrasher, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, all seven members in Guns N Roses, every Chili Pepper other than Hillel Slovak [7 members], Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, and Glyn Johns. It is unknown if Charles Sutton is alive or dead.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 16/19 (Cowboy, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 20/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 17/22 (Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)

Classes with less than ten living members:
1986 (1)
1987 (2)
1999 (4)
2008 (7)
1991 (8)
1988 (9)
1989 (9)
2004 (9)
2011 (9)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 08/22/2021 @ 11:19am

With Don Everly gone, the number of artists remaining from the early years continues to dwindle. The list of living inductees (not including non-performers) born before 1940 is:

1931
Lawson Smith [The Midnighters]

1933
Don Wilson [The Ventures]
Norman Thrasher [The Midnighters]
Tommy Hunt [The Flamingos]

1934
Bobby Jones [The Blue Caps]
Frankie Valli [Four Seasons]
Sam Gooden [Impressions]

1935
Sam Lay [Paul Butterfield Blues Band]
Jerry Lee Lewis
Sam Moore [Sam & Dave]
Duke Fakir [Four Tops]

1936
Verne Allison [Dells]
Buddy Guy
Bill Wyman [Rolling Stones]
Jerome Arnold [Paul Butterfield Blues Band]

1937
Mickey McGill [Dells]
Charlie Thomas [Drifters]
Sonny Curtis [Crickets]
Garth Hudson [The Band]
Wanda Jackson

1938
Duane Eddy
Billy Davis [Midnighters]
Terry Johnson [Flamingos]

1939
Rudolph Isley [Isley Brothers]
Mavis Staples [Staple Singers]
Dion
James Burton
Jerry Allison [Crickets]
Grace Slick [Jefferson Airplane]
Tommy Facenda [Blue Caps]
Tina Turner [Ike & Tina, Solo]
Jerry Butler [Impressions]
Sammy Strain [Imperials, O'Jays]
Dave Clark [Dave Clark Five]

Posted by RG on Sunday, 08/22/2021 @ 12:43pm

Jerry Lee Lewis is called "The Killer" and is the last survivor from the inaugural class…. Coincidence?

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 08/22/2021 @ 14:08pm

Richie, Ben, Will N., K-DAWG, KING, RG, Jordan Einstein, Philip and others,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2022 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 3 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart in 2020. Additionally, John Prine may receive an induction, due to his passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2022 nominees:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 more women, which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in.

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 9 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; Will get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared, See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat the previous year's fiasco? No, then induct them. Should get in; Will get in.

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan? If nominated; Will get in. See Rush.

07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. See Rush.

08. Kansas- The recent passing of Robby Steinhardt (former violinist and vocalist) was huge news, plus there are not many "American" prog artists in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, other than perhaps: Frank Zappa, The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead, Talking Heads and Journey. They have strong advocates in both Brian May, long time inductee with Queen and Garth Brooks- soon to be nominated for induction himself. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).


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09. Willie Nelson- please induct him before it's too late.
10. John Prine-he will face a posthumous induction, unfortunately.
11. B-52s - a newly inspired choice.
12. Motörhead - I will leave this up to a hard rock expert to explain, but Lemmy Kilmister is the key figure here.
13. Joy Division/New Order- Yes, I have seen their latest documentary also. They are a natural successor to Depeche Mode.
14. Dave Matthews Band- they represent more diversity which the Rock Hall has been criticized for. Should get in.
15. Thin Lizzy - I will leave this up to a hard rock expert to explain. It will make the Irish fans very happy, since they are an influential group. Their induction leads to more diversity. The late Phil Lynott is the key figure here.
16. Eurythmics
17. Kool & The Gang- the unfortunate passing of one of their key members- Ronald Bell may help them to get on the map.
18. New York Dolls- because T. Rex just got in and since The MC5 just seems like a very tired old choice.
19. Twisted Sister- Why not?
20. Dionne Warwick- She should have been inducted decades ago.
21. Foreigner- Mick Jones and Lou Gramm had formerly been inducted into the Songwriters' Hall Of Fame in 2013.

Alternative artists:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Weezer
Eminem
Commodores
Garth Brooks
Shania Twain
Jim Croce
Dan Fogelberg
Warren Zevon

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/22/2021 @ 20:08pm

A little trivia...

Jerry Lee Lewis is cousins with Jimmy Swaggart and Mickey Gilley

All 3 are in their mid-80s, fairly well known, and all still alive :O

Posted by K Dawg on Sunday, 08/22/2021 @ 21:42pm

ENIGMATICUS
Thanks for displaying your Nominees for the RRHOF Class 2022. It made me think about 1 of my lists this Summer. Here's a Quick 20. Starting 1-10. No particular order.
1. FOREIGNER-I think it's their time. Lou Gramm & Mick Jones were a powerhouse duo and the rest of the band excellent musicians. Several Platinum albums. The requisite Hit Songs: Cold As Ice, Double Vision, I Want To Know What Love Is, Jukebox Hero, Urgent, etc.
2. DURAN DURAN-Has to be their year. 80's stars Bruce, Madonna, MJ, Prince, U2, The Cars, Van Halen etc have all been inducted. Duran Duran was as popular as these artists and many of the groups inducted. Incredible longevity too as well as Influence. Hits-RIO, Hungry Like The Wolf, Planet Earth, Girls On Film, Ordinary World, Come Undone. It was also a nice 2nd Act The Wedding Album 1993. Duran Duran should be nominated this year.
3. GRAM/EMMYLOU
4. EMINEM
5. BAD COMPANY-My guess Paul Rodgers is 1 of the most deserving artists waiting Induction. I think Bad Company is his best vehicle to do that. Bad Company and their Super 6 albums left their imprint on the rock music scene. Hits:Bad Company, Feel Like Making Love, Rock & Roll Fantasy, Shooting Star, etc. Bad Company proved it wasn't all Rodgers earning a few platinum and gold albums with Howe as singer. 80's and 90's. Love to see them inducted.
6. LENNY KRAVITZ-He's getting into his later 50's now and Kravitz has had a successful music career. Many memorable songs: Are You Gonna Go My Way, Fly, Heaven Help, New York City, etc. Just earned his nomination.
7. SCORPIONS-With Iron Maiden and Judas Priest coming up empty, the SCORPIONS would be a nice next choice. They have Influenced many groups in their native Germany and Europe. Also, have those epic songs like No One Like You, Rock You Like A Hurricane, Send Me An Angel, The Zoo, Wind Of Change that will help their candidacy.
8. KOOL & THE GANG- I've been championing Kool & The Gang for several years for Nomination & Induction. No cigar so far. They have the Hit songs. Celebration, Emergency, Jungle Boogie, Joanna, Misled, Tonight, etc. Big fan of JT Taylor's vocals and 1 of my FAV singers.
9. SOUNDGARDEN
10. MARIAH CAREY-It's been around 7 years since Mariah was first eligible. With Whitney Houston recently inducted, Mariah appears a logical next in line.
Will continue 11-20 this week. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 08/23/2021 @ 14:34pm

Belinda will be in attendance!!

Posted by RG on Monday, 08/23/2021 @ 18:38pm

Another one drops...RIP Charlie Watts of the Rolling Stones

UGH

Posted by K Dawg on Tuesday, 08/24/2021 @ 13:55pm

Since I keep forgetting to put Ron Wood in on the 2012 section, I will post this again. Sorry for the repetition. Anyway, one of the original Stones is gone. Looks like they may have to finally break up for good this time.

Living Members of 1986-2009 (expect 2007), and 2012:

1986: 1/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis. Sole Survivor!)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 23/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Calvin Simon, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli) This is also the most recent class where more than half of the inductees are still alive.
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Mavis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 7/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Don Wilson, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 14 or 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson. It is unknown if Glouster "Nat" Rogers is alive or dead.)
2012: 31 or 30/70 (Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Joey Ambrose, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Norman Thrasher, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, all seven members in Guns N Roses, every Chili Pepper other than Hillel Slovak [7 members], Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns. It is unknown if Charles Sutton is alive or dead.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 16/19 (Cowboy, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 20/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 17/22 (Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)

I won't update this in such a short timespan again unless Jerry Lee dies in the next few days.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 08/24/2021 @ 18:20pm

ENIGMATICUS
Here is my continuation KING RRHOF 2021 Nominees for the 2022 Class. Now 11-20.
11. PAT BENATAR-I think Pat will be brought back for a nomination. She has the memorable Hits: Fire And Ice, Heartbreaker, Invincible, Live Is A Battlefield, Shadows Of The Night, We Belong, You Better Run etc. Any number of her songs could be use to close the ceremony. Gifted Singer and Influential to Woman Singers later.
12. PROCOL HARUM-I agree whole-heartedly on Procol Harum. They are in better position than other nominees because Procol Harum could be Inducted as an Early Influence or Musical Excellence. The Procol Harum catalog is a brilliant treasure of songs. A Whiter Shade Of Pale, Conquistador, Crucifiction Lane, Pandora's Box, Simple Sister, etc. 13. IRON MAIDEN-My guess Iron Maiden or Judas Priest will appear again. I'll go with Iron Maiden as they are a very popular metal group and are high on Influence & Innovation. KING FAVS include Aces High, Flight Of Icarus, Run To The Hills, Wasted Years. I think Wasted Years might be my FAV.
14. WAR-This might be WAR's last nomination as they easily could be placed into the RRHOF through the Musical Excellence option or maybe as an early Influence.
15. BRYAN ADAMS-This could be the year ADAMS sneaks onto the ballot. He has many JUNO awards and things. KING FAVS include: Cuts Like A Knife, Everything I Do... Hearts On Fire, In The Heat Of The Night, Run To You, Summer Of 69, etc.
16. THE EURYTHMICS-Lennox & Stewart are well-respected in the music industry. Their music has held up over the years. I remember Sweet Dreams was a monster hit. Annie Lennox 1 of the finest vocalists of this time.
17. RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
18. SMASHING PUMPKINS-Amazing collection of songs. I'm surprised they haven't been nominated yet. KING big fan of Bullet With Butterfly Wings and 1979.
19. RUFUS/CHAKA KHAN
20. WARREN ZEVON.
Here are some possible awards.
Single Song Inductions
1. Get Together-The Youngbloods
2. American Woman-The Guess Who
3. Del Shannon-Run Away
EARLY INFLUENCE
Link Wray
The Sonics
Dick Dale
MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Chaka Khan
Los Lobos
Procol Harum
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 08/25/2021 @ 15:02pm

Re Pat Benatar, I don't think the Hall wants to induct Neil Giraldo. Think she needs to drop that stipulation.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 08/26/2021 @ 12:55pm

Paul in KY,

Whereas you're right, the Hall needs to pull its head out of the posterior of a yak and recognize groups, much as it did in 2012 or so to the early rock era bands. Wings, the Silver Bullet Band, Steve Miller's band, and I'm missing a couple more at the second, should have been included in their original induction of the lead singer/face of their act. I can't recall if the Wailers are in or not with Bob Marley, but that's another one...

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 08/27/2021 @ 04:55am

Next year marks the tenth anniversary of the Special Committee that brought us neglected backing groups like the Crickets and the Midnighters. Perhaps it's time for another.

I PROPOSE
Wings
The Silver Bullet Band
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Wailers
Crazy Horse
The Jeff Beck Group
The Steve Miller Band
The Patti Smith Group
The Revolution
The Belmonts

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 08/27/2021 @ 20:19pm

Throw in the Jordanairs too. Because the King needs more of his subjects in.

(Besides, Elvis has turned into a historical figure at this point, so maybe an induction for them can help.)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 08/29/2021 @ 03:24am

Anyone remember Front Man Fever?
https://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2011/07/front-man-fever.html

There's some good ideas here. Now, if I had to pick six for the Hall next year, I'd probably pick...

The Wailers
Silver Bullet Band
Jeff Beck Group (Just to see if Rod will show up this time)
The Revolution
Brig Brother and the Holding Company
Crazy Horse

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 08/29/2021 @ 22:14pm

UPDATED
Wings
The Silver Bullet Band
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Wailers
Crazy Horse
The Jeff Beck Group
The Steve Miller Band
The Patti Smith Group
The Revolution
The Belmonts
The Mothers of Invention

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 08/30/2021 @ 02:51am

Follower,
I am going to jump into this chat. I agree with your choices for neglected backup groups. That's a good point. I like some of his music a lot but he never shows up at Ceremonies involving him. It could be how it works out in life or is NOT bloody interested. In any case add Wings and Steve Miller's Band. I am not sure what the Hall wants to call them. Probably re induct Steve Miller as Steve Miller Band. Heyyy I have known them as the legendary Steve Miller Band since 1976! Not once was Steve Miller advertised Alone. This would reflect what is often labelled the Classic rock era. It's been done for the early Rock era. It's time to cover 1965-1980.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/1/2021 @ 04:19am

I don't know about Wings. Paul is ancient and I don't think he and Denny get along. Besides, they could just induct Denny and Linda (as they were the core members of Wings) and while Paul would be very glad about his first wife and one of his muses being inducted, I don't know if he'd make the travel.

Steve Miller Band, I should have listed. That's a major oversight, even if Miller probably won't show up.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 09/1/2021 @ 18:43pm

Also, since I'm the only who said anything about it, I really like Donnie's blog posts on fixing the Singles Category. I'm excited to see the 80's and 90's songs he will choose. Of the ones he listed, I would really like to see these inducted:

Earth Angel (Will You Be Mine)
Chantilly Lace (just to get the other guy in the Hall)
The Loco-Motion
Wipe Out
Spirit in the Sky
Sugar Sugar
Layla (Because Derek and the Dominoes getting inducted means a fourth Clapton induction.)
All Right Now
American Pie
Cat's in the Cradle
Disco Inferno
YMCA
We Are Family
My Sharona
What I Like About You
Rapper's Delight

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 09/1/2021 @ 18:53pm

I assume the nominees will be announced in February.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 09/2/2021 @ 01:24am

Follower,
I don't have much care for the Singles category. The Hall may even do away with it.
But for what it is, I know things are getting modernized But this segment is controlled by Steve Van Zant. I don't see him adding 80s and 90s anytime soon. Steve Van Zant could conceivably go into the 70s. That's as far as he would go. A bunch of the ones on this list I agree with. But I do NOT expect Van Zant to choose Sugar Sugar, The Archies at all or ever. I don't think he sees importance in 1960s Bubblegum.
Donnie may have lost sight of Steve V Z's way. I agree up through Sprit in the Sky. Skip Sugar Sugar and then I agree up through Cat's in the Cradle. The problem with that is Harry Chapin is worth exploring as an actual Performer inductee, I do NOT think the ones after like YMCA would ever be picked. It's the Steve Van Z factor.
Instead these are more likely after the early 70s picks.
Driver's Seat-Sniff n' the Tears
One Step Beyond-Madness
Reasons to be Cheerful Part 3-Ian Dury and the Blockheads
My Sharona could happen. The Knack were a rock band
What I Like About You and Rapper's Delight are in the early 80s. The Singles will Not likely cover the 80s yet.
You need to keep in mind Steve V Z. or Donnie does. That's it for Now

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 09/2/2021 @ 04:04am

Here's what i think the classes in the next 5 years would look like:

2022:
Mary J. Blige
Duran Duran
Eminem
New York Dolls
Diana Ross
The Smashing Pumpkins

If 7:
Judas Priest

2023:
Pat Benatar
Devo
Foreigner
Missy Elliott
OutKast
Rage Against the Machine

2024:
Mariah Carey
Coldplay
Sean Combs
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Lauryn Hill

2025:
Britney Spears
DMX
Motley Crue
Pixies
Snoop Dogg
Weezer

2026:
D'Angelo
INXS
Lil Wayne
Pink
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

What do you think?

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 09/2/2021 @ 09:33am

2022
Pat Benatar- complete the 80s female hard rockers
Huey Lewis and the News- the most popular of the 80s blue eyed soul acts
Stray Cats- led the rockabilly revival craze of the 70s and 80s
Motley Crue- phenomenally successful and a star on the Walk of Fame
The B-52's- more early new wave and their band is predominantly female
Boston- their debut album went diamond combined with phenomenal success thereafter
Jethro Tull- better respect for progressive rock
Procol Harum- better respect for prog
King Crimson- to make up for Greg Lake's death years ago
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer- to make up for Keith Emerson and Lake's deaths years ago, coincidentally on the same year

2023
Devo- more early new wave
Iron Maiden- get some power metal in
The Smiths- the definitive post punk band
Soundgarden- make up for Cornell dying and now that you have the Foo Fighters
Supertramp- better respect for prog
Canned Heat- Woodstock era band
Motorhead- make up for the classic lineup being dead
Jim Croce- singer songwriter
Gordon Lightfoot- singer songwriter
Asia- better respect for prog

2024
Toto- better respect for prog
Queensryche- prog metal
Tower of Power- more from the San Francisco sound
Kansas- better respect for prog
Bad Company- phenomenally successful band
Styx- better respect for prog
Alice in Chains- more grunge
The Smashing Pumpkins- more grunge
Steve Winwood- more 80s blue eyed soul
Blood, Sweat, and Tears- Woodstock era band

2025
Dio- make up for his death many years ago, include the entire band
Joe Cocker- make up for his death many years ago, Woodstock era
Stone Temple Pilots- more grunge
Echo and the Bunnymen- more post punk
The Psychedelic Furs- more post punk
Joy Division- more goth rock
New Order- more post punk
Johnny Winter- Woodstock era musician
Johnny Rivers- Woodstock era musician
Lou Rawls- Woodstock era singer

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 09/2/2021 @ 19:10pm

2026
Chubby Checker- due to popular demand and speculation
Chic- to get them over with after 11 attempts
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats- due to historical reasons
Link Wray and His Wray Men- pioneered the power chord
The Big Bopper- complete the Day the Music Died
Dick Dale and His Del Tones- definitive surf rock musician
The Marvelettes- the only 60s girl group missing
Iron Butterfly- the first metal band
Steppenwolf- first song to mention metal
The Sugarhill Gang- first rap song

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 09/3/2021 @ 01:02am