Welcome all.

First for this being the Monkees' year screw Jann :)

Posted by Guest on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 05:11am

Second! Frampton Induction here we come! Also why was there no news post on this years ceremony?

Posted by will m on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 07:32am

Let's just make our predictions for the 2024 nominees, Okay.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 07:45am

How time flies.

I appreciate that I have known mamy friends on this forum.

Posted by power on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 08:40am

Let's go! I'm excited for the next batch of noms and hope they are as solid as the last ballot was. Should be a good year to take care of some of the backlog artists.

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 09:23am

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 09:44am

Give use Chilli Willi and the Red Hot Peppers. Pete Thomas double inductee now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YhqXGu9Mhs

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 11:13am

Predictions: inductees are asterisk

pantera
weird al
the mystic knights of the oingo boingo
buster poindexter
tom johnston (solo)
dr hook and medicine show
Sheb Wooley*
Dread Zeppelin*
Nickelback
Darius Rucker
afrika bambatta*
kurtis blow
amy grant*
the red jumpsuit appartus*
Focus*
the shaggs*
Ronald Reagen*
Shigeru Miamoto*
Paris Hilton*
Celine Dion*
Adina Howard*

Ahmet for Jimmy Saville, Kim Fowley, and David Zaslav
MI for Leona Anderson, Pat Boone
AME for Jim Gordon, Jack Nietzche

Posted by will m on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 12:27pm

Will M and others,

Those are just joke predictions for the 2024 nominees, Just give me your real predictions for the 2024 nominees, Please and Thank You.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 12:31pm

I already shared my predictions and they have not changed. So you know them already.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 13:19pm

Ok since my predictions were on a different page I'll repost them here.

Alanis Morrisette
Cyndi Lauper
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Dionne Warwick
Foreigner
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Kool & The Gang
Mariah Carey
OutKast
Salt-n-Pepa
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

This is just for nominees. I don't know who would get inducted out my predictions. What do you think?

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 13:26pm

Back for #6: The J. Geils Band

Back for #4: New York Dolls

Back for #3: Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest

Back for #2: Warren Zevon, Cyndi Lauper, Dave Matthews Band, Joy Division/New Order, Mary J. Blige

Debuts: Tracey Chapman, Britney Spears, Oasis, Outkast, Peter Frampton

Performer Class: Outkast, Dionne Warwick, Dave Matthews Band, Oasis, Tracey Chapman, Britney Spears, New York Dolls

Musical Influence: Fela Kuti, Suzi Quatro

Musical Excellence: Carol Kaye, The Meters, Randy Bachmann (maybe with Burton Cummings)

Non-Performer: David Fincher

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 13:34pm

mat r,

why fincher? i know trent and ross do his soundtracks a lot but what other input or influence does he have on music in any way? Lindsey Hogg or Anton Corbijn as filmmakers make a lot more sense in my mind as they were famous for music videos

Posted by will m on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 13:37pm

upon google, discovered he did start out doing MVs, i still think theres better mtv era candidates, like Spike Jonze or Jonathon Demme

Posted by will m on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 13:40pm

Here's the list of artists & bands who will not be nominated/inducted into the RRHOF due to lack of induction criteria: influence, innovation & cultural/groundbreaking significance in the HISTORY of rock & roll!

The undeserving list:
Free/Bad Company
Rainbow
Styx
Nickelback
Boston
Creed
Ted Nugent
Hot Tuna
REO Speedwagon
Poison
Warrant
Ratt
Twisted Sister
Cinderella
Whitesnake
Meat Loaf
Kansas
Eddie Money
Foreigner
Foghat
Kid Rock
Limp Bizkit
Grand Funk Railroad
Bachman Turner Overdrive
Triumph
38 Special
Molly Hatchet
Brownsville Station
Survivor
Asia
Loverboy
Tesla
Quiet Riot
Skid Row
Kix
Marshall Tucker Band
Black Oak Arkansas
Damn Yankees
W.A.S.P
The Outlaws
David Cassidy
& much more of them.

In fact, it just goes to show ones on the list aren't exactly leaders of R&R as they didn't changed anything in it's history, they will be forgotten as many years go by. Not even music experts & historians would remember them.
They aren't on the caliber of such honorees as Jimi Hendrix, Bob Marley, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, David Bowie, Velvet Underground, The Stooges, The Doors, CCR, Grateful Dead, The Band, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison, Sly & The Family Stone, Parliament - Funkadelic, Curtis Mayfield, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, Queen, Frank Zappa, Black Sabbath, Ramones, The Clash, Talking Heads, Sex Pistols, The Police, Elvis Costello, Prince, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Metallica, U2, R.E.M, Nirvana, Radiohead & others. That's not to say they sucked & have no talent.

The reason why ridiculous "RAWK" fans want those marginal & unimportant acts in because they know what's best for them meaning they don't accept other genres (particularly rap & country) that do truthfully belong in the Hall due to the roots based on not only influence & innovation but also diversity, attitude & pop culture.
I would rather see most today's artists getting in by the next 2 decades & by that point, those acts on the list will not only have 0 chances but they won't even be a mention to the committee themselves.

Just being objective!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 13:54pm

Mat R,

I think that this year (2024) is Cyndi Lauper's year for induction, As well as it should be because there is a 9-year pattern for Cyndi getting Hall of Fame inductions, In 2006, She was inducted into the Long Island Music Hall of Fame and then 9 years later in 2015, She was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame, so I expect that the 9-year pattern will continue and I think that this year (2024) will be Cyndi's year for induction, As well as it should be, As much as I love Britney Spears, I really can't see her in this discussion just yet (not saying she doesn't deserve it because she does absolutely deserve induction at some point), but if you do want to throw a Pop Star out there for 2024 and I know that you will not agree with me on it, but I would mention Celine Dion, Yes, I know that she's not a critical favorite by any means, but you can't deny her massive record sales and worldwide popularity, plus she's had some major health issues in the past few years with her SPS (Stiff Person Syndrome) illness so there might be some urgency to get her nominated and inducted while she's still alive, so for that reason, I think that Celine really needs to be in the conversation for this year because of it, I think that Celine will jump ahead of Mariah, Cher, Diana, Phil Collins, Gloria Estefan and Britney in terms of Pop Stars that haven't been nominated yet and she will get nominated and inducted before them, plus Celine's been out in public again recently by attending the Vegas Golden Knights-Montreal Canadiens hockey game on October 30 and Katy Perry's final Vegas show of her residency Play at Resorts World on November 4, so she might be well enough to make public appearances again. and As far as Britney Spears, I just don't see her getting inducted before Cyndi, I really think that it's Cyndi's year this year, As well as it should be, so if you do want to throw Celine's name in the mix for this year (2024) because of her SPS illness, Go right ahead. Please really consider replacing Britney with Celine Dion in your predictions for the 2024 nominees because of it.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 14:12pm

Will m

Fincher is pretty widely regarded as the king of the music videos. Not because he made the most or best videos but because, and this is the key thing, he founded propaganda films and hired and mentored everyone spike Jonze to Michael Bay to Michel gondry to antoine fuqua to mark romanek. He basically recruited them out of film school and small film festivals and taught them how to make music videos and advertisements.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 14:21pm

Will m

Just to make it even clearer from the wikipedia

"Propaganda Films was an American music video and film production company founded in 1986 by producers Steve Golin and Sigurjón Sighvatsson and directors David Fincher, Nigel Dick, Dominic Sena and Greg Gold. By 1990, the company was producing almost a third of all music videos made in the U.S."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Films

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 14:29pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees from 2025-2034 (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 14:30pm

Mine are the same save for swapping out Queen Latifah for Oasis. Liam doing that anniversary tour could help Oasis at least get nominated:
Beck Billy Idol Coldplay Dave Matthews Band Peter Frampton Jeff Buckley Joy Division/New Order Cyndi Lauper Mariah Carey OutKast Oasis The Replacements Soundgarden Usher The White Stripes Warren Zevon

Inductees: Coldplay, DMB, Frampton, Lauper, Carey, OutKast, Soundgarden, Stripes
Early Influence: MC5, Big Mama Thornton
Musical Excellence: Chic, Brian Eno
Non Performer: Estelle Axton

Posted by Raichu on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 14:37pm

Here's my only predictions for next year's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominations.

Alice in Chains: It definitely looks like Soundgarden won't be making a comeback so ill put AIC as their replacement.

Bjork: With the induction of Kate Bush, it definitely opened the door for quirky artists & Bjork is one of them considering her discography & performances. However it might take few nominations like Bush.

Coldplay: Well they became FYE so 2024 would be their calling since they're one of the biggest bands in the last 20+ years.

Daft Punk: Electronic music is well unrepresented in the Hall & it took Kraftwerk 6 nominations only to end up getting inducted through Early Influence. With said, Daft Punk would definitely be the next one on the ballot but might have the same problem like KW.

DMB: I highly doubt the experts would take DMB seriously especially after the whole fan vote fiasco even though the namesake leader's appearance at this year's ceremony might help their chances.

Joy Division/New Order: Maybe next year would finally be their call & that's because i'll be 45 years since JD's Unknown Pleasures was released. Album anniversaries always worked for others like The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran & The Go - Go's.

Kool & The Gang: Quite a few acts from 70's R&B/Soul who were nominated in the past & the likes of The Spinners & Chaka Khan have finally got inducted after many tries. With said, Kool & The Gang has never got any nominations before so maybe give them their 1st shot to see what happens.

Lenny Kravitz: I think a nomination for Kravitz is the closest thing when it comes to recognition from the RRHOF.

Queen Latifah: Missy Elliott became the first female rapper to ever be honored & it certainly opened the door for others as Queen Latifah. She may score her first nomination but an induction is a different story.

Motorhead: The induction of Judas Priest certainly will help more metal acts to finally get recognized by the Hall & Motorhead might have a second appearance on the ballot since Iron Maiden were nominated every two years so far.

OutKast: Maybe put the duo on the ballot as I'll be the 30th anniversary of their debut & Big Boi's appearance at the ceremony would help their chances even further.

Diana Ross: If Tina Turner & Carole King could get inducted twice, then Diana Ross would be a next one to achieve this rare honor since she's had an impactful solo career.

Smashing Pumpkins: Considered as one of the biggest bands in the 90's, The Smashing Pumpkins had albums that transcends generations giving alternative rock an legitimate art quality. Having said that, they're getting nominated/inducted sooner than later it's just a matter when it's gonna happen.

Sonic Youth: The nomination committee is slowly approaching indie rock as they put Beck & White Stripes on the ballot before. Maybe they should look for one who started the whole movement & Sonic Youth is definitely the one!

The White Stripes: I mean legends/icons as such: David Bowie, Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd, Queen, Radiohead, Black Sabbath, Nine Inch Nails etc didn't even get inducted on their 1st try & I'll rather see The White Stripes getting nominated again & subsequently inducted over undeserving & unworthy acts from the 70's classic rock era: Styx, Foreigner, Boston, Kansas, Grand Funk Railroad etc.

Warren Zevon: Decided to put Zevon on here because the Hall needs to move on from the 70's rock era as there's way too many from that decade already inducted, he'll also be the last one nominated.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 14:50pm

Are there any more predictions for the 2024 nominees out there?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 19:49pm

ritchie,

yea i do have predictions, sorry about the joke earlier i just thoight itd be funny to type up a lot of non entities.

Jordan Einstein,

goddamn do you have a bone to pick. I defintely disagree with a lot of the bands youve cited as having no influence, but in particular Rainbow. Rising is one of the most acclaimed metal albums ever and that band had Dio+Blackmore doing some of their peak works. those first 3 albums are defing works for neoclassical metal. Free/Bad Co are another name. Paul Rodgers is the primary selling point for those two groups and hall of famers such as John Mellancamp have acclaimed him as a massive influence, deep purple asked him to replace gillan, he sang with Brian May and Roger Taylor. and thats not to mention excellent drummer simon kirke who also shared both groups with rodgers. Id also like to dispute your claim on Boston, I would argue Tom Scholz majorly influenced the modern wave of bedroom poppers, not in sound obviuosly but in method. Scholz was the genius behind the name and had worked on the music featired for years before he got a record contract. and the record label didnt believe in it, they actively tried to sabotage it by forcing a producer on him. he did the album his own way. when the album blew up into the stratosphere he had to assemble an actual band to tour behind it. (sounds a lot like foo fighters, hall of famers right there), Anyway, the way scholz toiled on that first album for years in his home basement studio is remimiscent of modern bedroom pop stars who record entire careers under bedsheets. the way his epic music is so often dismissed as corporate rock is such a disservice to a true genius. and also brad delp is an awesome singer. and they made great great music. and bostons style became the absolute dominant over the years, copped by hall of famers like journey and bon jovi, as well as foregner who you dismissed. hall of famers def leppard even recorded Hysteria to mimic the success of Boston. I will be a boston defender till the day i die

Posted by will m on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 20:37pm

jordan,

its also just a very mean spirited thing your comment. you say "thats not to say they sucked or had no talent" but it really sounds like you hate these groups for like no reason. I love foreigner and styx and meat loaf and Id love to see them in the hall. cmon "not even music historians would remember them" is a teribly vitriolic statement espaiclly as these bands still have large amounts of fans. there really is no need to be so goddamn negative and miserable. like it really just reads as a declaration of hatred for those bands

Posted by will m on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 20:44pm

My Predictions:

Nominees:

Sinéad O'Connor (if she doesn't get nominated, I see her getting in regardless via musical excellence)

Alanis Morissette

Patti LaBelle

Kool & The Gang

Mariah Carey

Queen Latifah

OutKast

New Edition

Cyndi Lauper

Soundgarden

Merle Haggard

Dave Matthews Band

The B-52's

JD/NO

Tracy Chapman

Ice T

Thin Lizzy

Selena

John Prine

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 21:20pm

Will M,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 21:20pm

My predictions are:

Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey
Dave Matthews Band
Peter Frampton
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
MC5
OutKast
Smashing Pumpkins
Soundgarden
Dionne Warwick
The White Stripes

My predictions are very much the same as Troy L. Smith's predictions.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 23:31pm

Richie,

Not gonna lie but your predictions is 80% accurate. Ìf it's like this by February, then I don't know what to expect when the Hall announces the new class.

Will M,

Never did I say about hating those bands on my list, I'm just trying to prove a point that not every single one of them will get their due since they lacked the criteria I pointed out. Their fans however don't accept it because they think the Hall is their personal jukebox & what's even worse is they have a problem with rappers, country stars & pop icons getting inducted because they're not "rock & roll" & attacking the RRHOF for including those artists while arguing about the name change. It's getting to a point when it's becoming increasingly tiresome & ridiculous, so that's exactly why I said what I've said.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 11/20/2023 @ 23:50pm

Here's My KING 2023-2024 RRHOF Nominees (20) Final List. November 21, 2023.
1. Bryan Adams
2. Scorpions
3. Mariah Carey
4. Lenny Kravitz
5. Smashing Pumpkins
6. Diana Ross
7. Dave Matthews Band
8. Kool & The Gang
9. Cyndi Lauper
10. DEVO
11. Luther Vandross
12. Iron Maiden
13. The White Stripes
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. Salt N Pepa
16. Soundgarden
17. Emmylou Harris
18. Bad Company
19. The Bangles
20. Foreigner
Early Influence (4).
Herbie Hancock, MC5, Suzi Quatro, The Sonics.
Musical Excellence (4).
Chic, Emmylou Harris, Gordon Lightfoot, WAR.
Ed Sullivan (1) Special Award.

KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 00:43am

I feel the momentum is coming for kool & the gang, I will also not be surprised if War, Luther Vandross, Barry White or the Meters will appear on the 2024 ballot. I do not think the nom com will put multiple old school rnb acts. They put multiple rnb acts on the same ballot in 10s and the result of rnb acts was bad. Nom com only try the spinners in 2023 and spinners is inducted. So I think only one old school rnb act will be nominated each year in the future.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 08:27am

I do not think donny hathaway and teddy pendergrass have the same level of success and influence compared with War, meters, luther and barry white

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 08:31am

power

i do wonder if the spinners induction will result in more classic rnb or just more oldies acts. you gotta think someone *cough* little steven or lenny kaye *cough* on that nomcom is thinking "if the spinners can get in now so can tommy james and the shondells"

with seymour gone and kaye and van zandt probably on their way out soon you gotta imagine there's a strong desire from those two guys to get some more of their guys in.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 08:51am

Mat r,

I think the case of classic rnb acts is different with classic rock acts.

Yes, Lenny Kaye and Little Steven are likely rare supporters for classic rock acts in nom com. However, classic rnb acts are also supported by black people like questlove and maybe the guy in run dmc. Questlove and rundmc guy I believe will serve for nom com for many more years so I think they will push for more black rnb acts.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 08:59am

Power,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 09:21am

power

true but that doesn't mean there isn't going to be push to make it a lane for oldies rather than just rnb, especially with kaye and little steven on their way out. i'd also note, dmc is the one who got carly simon on the ballot and has a long history of digging rock so i would actually say he's a wild card.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 09:50am

Here are the Female acts inducted into the Rock Hall since 2017:

2017: Joan Baez
2018: Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Tharpe
2019: Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks
2020: Whitney Houston
2021: The Go-Go's, Carole King and Tina Turner
2022: Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon
2023: Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott and Chaka Khan

so I expect that the Female acts that will get inducted this year (2024) will be Mary J. Blige, Cyndi Lauper and Dionne Warwick because all of them have been previously nominated before (Mary J. Blige in 2021, Cyndi Lauper last year in 2023 and Dionne Warwick in 2021 and 2022).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 10:05am

My prediction is almost as same as Greg F's.

Alanis Morrisette
Cyndi Lauper
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Dionne Warwick
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Kool & The Gang
Mariah Carey
Oasis
OutKast
Salt-N-Pepa
Tracy Chapman
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

No prediction for inductees.

Honestly speaking, I do not think a performance by Peter Frampton guarantees his possible nomination. Ian Hunter appeared in 19 all star jam and Mott the Hopple was not nominated in 20. Jimmy Buffet is likely but I still think Zevon has better chance.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 12:05pm

I do not except huge modification for my prediction before the announcement. I think I will have at least 50% right for my prediction but I could definitely be wrong. I am confident for my prediction now.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 12:13pm

Power,

Out of your final predictions for the 2024 nominees (Mariah Carey, Tracy Chapman, Dave Matthews Band, Devo, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Kool & The Gang, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Oasis, OutKast, Salt-N-Pepa, Dionne Warwick, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon). I think the following acts would get inducted:

Cyndi Lauper
Dionne Warwick
Kool & The Gang
Mariah Carey
OutKast
Salt-N-Pepa
Warren Zevon

The White Stripes would be the next closest vote-getter at #8 in the voting.

I don't get this Tracy Chapman buzz, Her buzz this year is not like Kate Bush's last year and Kate only got in last year via weighted voting by the committee, so I just don't think that Tracy's buzz this year will be enough to get her inducted this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 12:34pm

richie,

I do not want to argue about Kate things anymore. You can notice that Tracy Chapman is nominated for songwriters hof recently and she is getting some momentum for recognition now. So I think she may have a chance but I could be wrong.

As for voting result, it is hard to predict as most candidates will all split votes with other candidates in similar styles under my prediction.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 12:47pm

I feel it is highly influencial for the rock hall to nominate artists,and groups. That has more than 2 hits in any givin year. And done that in many years.

Posted by Bill ott on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 17:38pm

Jordan Einstein: most of the names you listed I agree with except for 1 or 2

Posted by Robert Ewing on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 18:27pm

I do not think the number of hits should determine the nomination. Warren Zevon only has one huge hit but he should be included. Dave Matthews Band has no huge hits but this band has almost the most consecutive no.1 albums in history and can still makes arena tour everywhere in us, acts like this should also be included.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 18:31pm

https://www.songhall.org/news/view/songwriters_hall_of_fame_2024_nominees_for_induction_announced

Randy and Burton, Bryan Adams, Tracey chapman, and Kenny Loggins are the non-rock hall inducted songwriter hall of fame nominees

PS I knew Randy was campaigning for something during the induction week

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 19:18pm

Britney Spears camp is making a serious push for Britney's induction in 2024, but if she is not nominated in the next year, I do not expect her to be nominated in the near future.

It will be odd to me if she is inducted before Mariah Carey

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 20:10pm

Taking break from predicting for thanksgiving! Happy holiday to all!

Posted by Will m on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 20:36pm

Power

Soft disagree. I think if she misses the nomination this coming cycle she'll still be nominated soon (2025 or 2026) but she won't be inducted anytime soon (I'm thinking 2029 or 2030 after at least 3 nominations).

Next year is 100% her best shot at FYN.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 20:57pm

The nom com should nominate The Monkees as a big middle finger to Jann Wenner and his cronies like Jon Landau.

Posted by Guest2 on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 21:05pm

Guest2,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 21:31pm

It would have been interesting had the Eagles & Led Zeppelin were still together and at the top of their games throughout the 1980's. They were very popular and successful groups and only in their 30's in the 1980's. Maybe the 80's music styles and trends in popularity would have been delayed or overshadowed. Lynyrd Skynyrd and the tragic October 1977 plane crash also halted their momentum. Also, Elvis August 1977 death at only 42. Think about a cleaned up, energetic, and healthier Elvis singing and playing guitar in the 1980's. We will never know how music in the 1980's would have been different.

I've already done my KING 20 Nominations for this 2023-2024 cycle. Here's a few music artists and singers who were considered.
1. INXS
2. Alice In Chains
3. Peter Frampton
4. Black Crowes
5. The Smiths
6. The Pointer Sisters
7. Gram Parsons
8. The B-52's
9. Megadeth
10. Ozzy Osbourne

KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 11/21/2023 @ 22:14pm

It is extremely surprising that Metallica only has one top 10 hit on billboard

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 05:21am

No one here mentions Phil Collins?

He has a ton of hits, he is probably the most popular male artists in 80s along with MJ, Prince, Lionel Richie and George Michael.

After Lionel and George induction, Phil is a logical choice to be included and he will be shoe-in once nominated. A ton of past inductees will vote for him without doubt. He will be the biggest lock once he appears on the ballot.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 07:30am

I have a gut feeling that the nomination committee prefers Mary J Blige than Mariah Carey.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 07:31am

Rick Krim mentioned he advocated for Oasis in the past.

30th anniversary of Definitely Maybe will help Oasis' case. I think this band will have a good chance of being inducted once nominated. Oasis has songs everyone in US knows (Wonderwall, Don't Look back in Anger), and these songs are probably more well-known than songs by almost any other alt/indie bands like Nine Inch Nails, Depeche Mode, RATM, Soundgarden... Oasis will definitely get some US votes, most british voters will vote for Oasis without any hesitation. this band is very likely to be voted in its first try.

I feel Rick Krim will try Oasis again in 2024, he has more power than before and he may make a push to make Oasis appear on the ballot.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 08:29am

Power,

As much as I love Oasis (and Coldplay as well), I just have a really hard time seeing them getting on their first nomination especially if their fellow British band Radiohead didn't get in FYE and took two tries to get inducted and Beck, Dave Matthews Band, Jane's Addiction, Soundgarden and The White Stripes are all still waiting to get in and NIN took three tries to get inducted and RATM took five tries to get inducted, so I see Oasis (and Coldplay as well) taking two or three tries to get in before they get inducted.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 08:37am

I would like to mention Creep (Radiohead's biggest hit) is not in Billboard top 40. Wonderwall is more well known than Creep in US. Also, Oasis is way more bigger act than Radiohead in UK. So I think Oasis may have a better luck than Radiohead. Radiohead may be weird for some classic rock inductees but Oasis has more traditional sound which may attract more baby boomer voters.

As for Coldplay, this band has 5 top 10 hits in US (which is even more than Sheryl Crow). Alt/Indie based rock bands with the same level of popularity are almost all FYN (U2 with 6 top 10 hits, R.E.M with 4 top 10 hits, Green Day with 2 top 10 hits, Pearl Jam with 2 top 10 hits and Nirvana). So I think this band has chance to be inducted in first try.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 08:55am

Alt/indie based acts with multiple top 10 hits are all inducted in first try except for Red Hot Chili Peppers (the omission of this band in 2010 is still a little shocking to me.). So I expect Coldplay will be FYN.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 08:59am

Radiohead, NIN and Rage do not have any top 10 hits in US, but Oasis and Coldplay have.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 09:02am

Curious, aside from Tracy, which of the songwriter hall of fame nominees do you think has the best shot at a nomination this year?

Randy Bachmann (guess who, BTO)
Burton Cummings (guess who, solo)
Bryan Adams
Kenny Loggins (Loggins and Messina, solo)

I think the lawsuit will make the guess who not a contender leaving Randy with BTO, an act struck by tragedy this year.

Adams is probably the biggest of the everyone (including Tracy) and is likely in good rock hall standing unless the hall dislikes him for getting COVID

Loggins feels like a wild card. Iconic songs from soundtracks is a weird thing to be known for

Overall I'd say Adams feels like the best shot

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 10:12am

mat r,

I do not expect Bryan Adams nomination happens in the next year. Phil Collins and Adams have similar style but Phil has better selling, popularity, criticism and connection, so I think it will be weird for rock hall to induct Adams before Collins solo. They almost do the same thing but Collins is better in almost every aspect.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 10:28am

Power

But of those 4 guys, who feels the most likely?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 12:43pm

Coldplay

Alanis Morrisette

Motorhead

Tracy Chapman

New Order/Joy Division

Weezer

Peter Frampton

Sting

Mary J Blige

New York Dolls

Either B52s or Tears For Fears who headlined the Darker wave Festival and stick sells 10,000 seat Theaters on their own

Posted by jayfkay on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 13:40pm

Non-performer : Danny Elfman

Posted by jayfkay on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 18:25pm

Jayfkay

But Danny Elfman is a performer. He was in Oingo Boingo, sang all the songs in nightmare before Christmas, performs yearly at the Hollywood ball, and just recently released his second or third solo album

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 18:51pm

Honestly I think Danny Elfman is a good candidate for Musical Excellence. He's been in Oingo Boingo, but he's done some solo stuff and countless film scores, which I think give him enough of a case to put him in.
And let's be honest, if you were on the nominating committee, would you nominate Oingo Boingo let alone put them in?

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:10pm

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2034) (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:22pm

raichu

He's currently dealing with serious sexual assault allegations that would and could hinder his chances for a nomination

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:23pm

Raichu

Agree. He and Aimee Mann are pretty similar: two massively well liked and influential figures best known for soundtrack work whose biggest successes (in rock) came with c tier new wave bands with no real ballot potential. AME is the only path forward.

Ben Folds, Dan Wilson, and Adam Schlesinger are the 90s alt rock versions of this. No idea who is the metal version or American indie rock version.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:25pm

Matt R,

I know hes a performer but never in a million years would Oingo Boingo be nominated in the Rock Hall of Fame although they contributed to almost a dozen movie soundtracks like Weird Science, Fast Times At Ridgemont High and Back to School. His composition to movie scores is legendary though and he has creditentials as a rockstar so I can the Rock Hall slip him in as non-performer one of these years. Although I never knew about the sexual assault allegations so it will be dependent on that verdict

Posted by jayfkay on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:29pm

I probably meant that Elfman could be in as musical excellence but not as performer. Whatever category they can put him in that doesnt take up the performer slot

Posted by jayfkay on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:33pm

I probably meant that Elfman could be in as musical excellence but not as performer. Whatever category they can put him in that doesnt take up the performer slot

Posted by jayfkay on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:33pm

I do wish people would at least acknowledge The Monkees. This group put out great music. Also would like to see nominated: Diana Ross
Nick Drake
War
Chubby Checker
Warren Zevon
Fairport Convention
Phil Collins (solo)

Posted by Frank J on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:37pm

jayfkay,

Out of your predictions for the 2024 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:38pm

Mat r,

Adams definitely has the best chance of 4 guys you mentioned to be eventually inducted, but I do not expect anyone from 4 guys nominated in the next year.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:43pm

Rock hall has already inducted Don Kirshner in 2012, he is the main power behind the success of the monkees, so it is likely rock hall thinks inducting Don Kirshner is enough to recognize Monkees' work.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:47pm

Power,

Dont forget about Jonny Greenwood who has done movie scores for 9 movies including There Will Be Blood

Posted by jayfkay on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 19:58pm

Mat R,
I think the metal equivalent of a Danny Elfman-type person could be Danzig. He had a good amount of success both with Misfits and solo, and he's written songs for artists like Johnny Cash and Roy Orbison. Now he could still get in performer through Misfits or solo but as of right now the chances of that are a bit slim.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 20:10pm

What about Trent Reznor? He did composition for Natural Born Killers and Social Network among others

Posted by jayfkay on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 20:14pm

Jayfkay

I feel like Greenwood and reznor are from a list acts while everyone else there was definitely in a c list band.

Raichu

I actually feel like misfits have an incredibly strong chance at induction in the next decade or so. Like once they figure out mc5, the dolls, and Devo punk has to go somewhere and few bands are as influential as misfits and even fewer with the brand recognition. They're like maybe the only "underground" act that can fill a stadium or headline a major festival. Plus if we're talking about acclaim they've got it between danzig making rolling Stone's top 200 singers and having a trio of Fantano 10s (god imagine Fantanocore taking over the rock hall - think he has a ballot yet?)

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 20:26pm

Eventually nom com will have new blood and hipster people from pitchfork or other hipster media may have power in nom com. At that time, "underground" acts like Sonic Youth, Pavement, buzzcocks may be recognized.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 20:34pm

Would Jim Steinman be a good induction in a side category? Wrote songs for Meat Loaf, Bonnie Tyler, The Sisters of Mercy, Barry Manilow, Celine Dion, etc.

Posted by Guest2 on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 20:34pm

I believe mc5 and dolls are destined for side category, devo may have multiple more chances. Alan Light mentioned there were not enough voters to recognize importance of dolls and mc5, it is likely that dolls and mc5 performed extremely bad in voting.

Devo was unlucky before, this band was also nominated with other more famous or influential new wave acts on the same ballot (roxy music and cure in 19, gogos in 21, duran duran and eurythmics in 22), this band may have better luck in the future with weaker competition.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 20:39pm

Power

Already one former pitchfork writer (Amanda Petrusich) on the nomcom. Pitchfork/spin really are the next frontiers and then what? Idol/x factor then VEVO then Fantano then tiktok?

Gonna be weird

Guest2

I actually hope they do meat loaf (he's gotta be coming up soon) with jim steinman as a member kinda like Atticus Ross with nine inch nails or Neil Giraldo with Pat Benatar. Oddly this reminds me...think Phil Harvey gets included as a member of Coldplay? He's they're longtime manager (or creative director) and is credited as a full member of the group.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 21:32pm

I think all of the White Stripes, Iron Maiden and Soundgarden are huge priority for nom com now (finished #5, #6 and #7 in nom com voting respectively). I now think these three are top choices for hard-rock related acts for nom com. I now do not think the hall will nominate Jane's Addiction and Motorhead in 2024.

The hall will not repeat the failure that putting too many hard-rock related acts together to split votes. Iron Maiden is most loved by fans and can also fill in the metal spot which rock hall does not represent well, maiden will also help to sell the tickets. I guess maiden will appear again. As for white stripes and soundgarden, I feel white stripes will be nominated and soundgarden will rest. Seven Nation Army has more influence and popularity than Black Hole Sun, which may influence the decision of nom com. Also, Jack White I think is slightly connected and respected than Chris Cornell. In order to inducting the white stripes, the hall even modifies the rule to nominate the white stripes one year earlier, so I think the hall is more urgent to induct the white stripes. So I just predict white stripes and iron maiden on the ballot and delete soundgarden.

This is just my thought and I definitely could be wrong.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/22/2023 @ 23:25pm

My predictions for the 2024 class:

1. Mariah Carey
2. Cher
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. A Tribe Called Quest
5. Outcast
6. Glen Campbell
7. Gordon Lightfoot
8. Jimmy Buffett
9, New Order/Joy Division
10. Devo
11. White Stripes
12. Warren Zevon
13. B-52's
14. Soundgarden
15. Motorhead
16. The Guess Who
17. Kool & the Gang
18. Phil Collins

I'm certainly not an expert on all forms of music but I tried to be somewhat balanced here. I did include some performers that I think need more attention. I'm not sure who would be nominated or elected at this point.

Posted by Kenneth on Thursday, 11/23/2023 @ 07:21am

I also like the idea of inducting Malcolm McLaren in Musical Excellence for his contributions to punk rock. He promoted and managed the Sex Pistols, New York Dolls, Adam and the Ants, and Bow Wow Wow. He also made music himself with tracks like "Buffalo Gals" and "Double Dutch"

Posted by Guest2 on Thursday, 11/23/2023 @ 09:50am

Also, if the Rock Hall were to induct music video directors, I would advocate for Spike Jonze and Michel Gondry to get the honors.

Posted by Guest2 on Thursday, 11/23/2023 @ 09:55am

And whoever directed the greatest music video of all time, Take On Me. Even if A-Ha doesn't deserve it whoever directed that video does.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 11/23/2023 @ 15:06pm

Kinda crazy Nathanial Hörnblowér is the lone noteworthy music video director to have been inducted so far

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 11/23/2023 @ 16:07pm

Does the owner of future rock legends website has actual rock hall ballot. I think rock hall knows this website and the creator of this website should have rights to vote.

Posted by power on Thursday, 11/23/2023 @ 21:05pm

WAR Declares 50th Anniversary Celebration of 'The World Is a Ghetto'.

Does War have a chance in 2024?

Posted by power on Thursday, 11/23/2023 @ 22:54pm

My too early revised predictions for the 2024 nominees are as follows:

1. Outkast--We've seen New York and LA rappers honored at this point en masse. The dirrty South doesn't have an act yet. Big Boi and Andre are probably the best candidates to usher in the reppin' from the ATL

2. Cyndi Lauper--a massive upset she wasn't put in last year. Socially and critically revered, I think she gets sophomore success

3. Bad Company--the biggest name of 70s rock bands not in the Hall. Paul Rodgers, rumored by some to take an ME, and Mick Ralphs lead this impressive band.

4. Warren Zevon -- I think the man behind Werewolves of London gets a huge spike this year

5. Joy Division/New Order--the 80s new wave movement isn't complete without them going in. I think it's a question of if they'll get in before or after the B52s.

6. Britney Spears--She's had a tumultuous year on social media, but her influence can't be ignored. I'd like to pick Mariah ahead of her, but the Hall likes to jump around for shiny toys (see Missy Elliott)

7. Coldplay--Chris Martin and crew are the seminal band that shifted rock away from heavy guitars into a more poppy sound. FYI? Maybe

8. Mariah Carey--As mentioned, she is the next big female name not in the HOF, following the recent yearly inductions of Whitney and Janet. And, she has the biggest selling single of all time (I know it's a Christmas song, but it counts)

9. Smashing Pumpkins--if D'arcy reunited with them, they'd get nommed instantly. But it's been a decade since they've been eligible, and somehow this groundbreaking band has yet to sniff a nomination even

10. Kool and the Gang --there's so much funk left unrecognized to this point, I have to go somewhere. Commodores, Ohio Players and the Meters are still waiting also

11. INXS--I'm gonna go for a shot in the dark here. Hutchence and crew are a one of the biggest bands of the 80s and span multiple genres.

12. Soundgarden--Cornell and crew are back for a 4th attempt. Will it be the charm?

13. The Fugees--female rapper goes in last year. How about a hip hoppish group with a lead female singer? Lauryn Hill and Wyclef are juggernauts in the music industry just waiting to go in

14. Kenny Rogers -- another wildcard, the country run might continue and Kenny is next in line of those that had a string of pop hits in the 70s and 80s. This slot also could feature a name that has recently returned to the public consciousness--Garth Brooks

15. Iron Maiden--I'm really torn on the metal choice. So many deserving acts, but Maiden has to get in before Pantera gets a shot. Also, are they ever going to address the Anthrax and Slayer snubs?

16. Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine--giving a bit of salsa flavor with dance elements coming up in the next few years.

17. Snoop Dogg--I really don't know whether to include him or not. He's such a big name, and there has been so much about him over the years. He's gotten cultlike status and I know I'm pushing it with 3 rap acts on this ballot. I just have to out of habit and tradition.

18. Tori Amos--Sheryl Crow, to me, is one of the biggest mysteries of Rock induction along with Stevie Nicks. She didn't have the influence to me that others did, she mainly got in by being more of a rocker chick than other 90s acts. Tori has the influence, the hits, she covers the American bias, and she can play a hell of a piano.

Speaking of tradition, I'm not going to include the Monkees for the first time in the decade plus I've been doing this because I feel they are probably going to honor the remaining 60s acts going forward with ME or EI. I am gonna predict they get an Early Influence though. Hopefully before Micky Dolenz leaves us Monkee-less.

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 03:15am

K-DAWG
Always great to see you Nominations. I agree with Iron Maiden and Soundgarden. Believe both will return. I believe at least 1 will be inducted this time around. Soundgarden is 1 of the important Seattle 90's bands and Chris Cornell is a legend in life and death. Nirvana and Pearl Jam sailed into the RRHOF. Surprised Soundgarden is taking this long. Also selfishly I'd like to see Alice In Chains nominated and inducted. Guess they are going for Soundgarden first. Iron Maiden 1 of the biggest snubs out there. They check all the boxes....Influence, Innovation, Memorable Songs, Longevity, etc. Also, Iron Maiden induction would open it up for the next deserving bands.
Agree on Bad Company. Paul Rodgers is a Legend and their 70's early 80's run was impressive. Plenty of platinum albums. People forget in the mid to late 80's and early 90's...They had some hit songs and gold and platinum albums with Howe as singer. Not just a Paul Rodgers creation. Bad Company, Ready For Love, Rock & Roll Fantasy, Shooting Star, etc. Classic songs. INXS was my last cut. I think Cyndi Lauper and DEVO and JD/NO appear to be a greater priority right now. I'm surprised INXS has never been nominated. I have Scorpions on my Final 20 list. They also check plenty of the boxes. You make a good point about the RRHOF jumping around. I have Mariah Carey also on my Nomination List. Would not be surprised if they go with Britney or another. Gloria Estefan should be inducted especially with the lack of Latin representation in the Hall. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 05:54am

As of snubbed nominees in 2023, I do not think all of them will make a return. I believe we will have at most 5/7 2023 nominees on 2024 ballot. I do not think we will have 6/7 or 7/7 2023 nominees.

Cyndi Lauper: I believe she was #8 and close to induction in 2023. I expect her to be nominated and inducted in 2024. I do not think the hall will nominate other female rock acts/pop stars over Lauper.

Warren Zevon: I believe he was #9 given Sykes said "He did well" (It is also likely that Zevon did poorly so Sykes just made polite statement to save face for Zevon camp. Another possible case is that Sykes did not want to reveal the voting result so if you asked him any nominee, he would give the same answer "XX did well"). The case of Zevon and Cyndi is a little different. The popularity, legacy and influence of Zevon is smaller than Cyndi. Also, Zevon may face the competition with other influential and connected singer-songwriters/classic rock acts in nom com like Jimmy Buffett, Peter Frampton. I still predict Zevon but I am not sure about Zevon

A Tribe Called Quest: I believe this group will have a rest. The pool of hip-hop snubs is so deep and the rock hall may try other candidates for better luck. I do not think Tribe anywhere near the induction in 2023. Tribe was not critics favorite in 2023 and only black voters would not make Tribe near induction.

The White Stripes: The hall really wants this group and even modify the rule to make the nomination one year earlier. This group will be another RATM and will be nominated until this group is inducted.

Joy Division/New Order: 45 years anniversary of Unknown Pleasure will bode well for possible nomination chance of JD/NO. Expect the return of JD/NO. I do not think the hall will nominate the Smiths or relacements over jd/no. I also do not think JD/NO will compete with INXS, the B-52's in nom com meeting. JD/NO is more in line with alternative/post-punk and other two are not.

Iron Maiden: Rick Krim is advocating for Maiden, he has most power in the nom com room, expect maiden to be nominated again. Maiden also recieved the highest votes from fan voting in rock hall museum.

Soundgarden: I am torn with this group. The hall clearly wants Soundgarden. Chris Cornell even has a tribute part in induction ceremony, which is rare for acts not in the rock hall. But I do not think the hall will nominate WS, SG and IM again to split possible votes for each other. I will not be surprised if SG makes the ballot again in 2024.

Posted by power on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 08:09am

My 2024 Rock & Roll Hall of nominee predictions are:

Bad Company

Glen Campbell

Tracy Chapman

De La Soul

Fishbone

Lauryn Hill

Grace Jones

Joy Division/New Order

Cyndi Lauper

Richard Marx

Motorhead

Soundgarden

The White Stripes

War

Warren Zevon

Posted by Zack F on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 08:56am

Power,

Out of the 2023 nominees who missed out, I think Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon, A Tribe Called Quest and The White Stripes will all return in 2024 because according to guest (aka Btravll from Twitter ( https://twitter.com/Btravll ) who recently started following long-time Rock Hall watcher Tom Lane on Twitter and Tom is following him on Twitter as well), They all did very well in the voting last year (they finished #8, #9, #10 and #11 in the voting last year according to guest), so I see them all returning in 2024, As far as Joy Division/New Order, Iron Maiden and Soundgarden, I just don't see any of them returning in 2024, because according to guest, They all only had a handful of votes (in perspective) (they finished #12, #13 and #14 in the voting last year according to guest), so I just don't see any of them returning in 2024.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 09:00am

richie,

Tom Lane following this user does not mean this user is insider...

Troy L Smith also interacted with burner account in 2022 but the burner account was fake...

Posted by power on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 09:51am

If only one user here says that the guest is fake, it may be that the user is wrong, but almost everyone here thinks that the guest is fake. So richie you should think carefully. Is it possible that all of us are idiots?

Posted by power on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 09:53am

richie,

I remember he also said Kate Bush would show up at the induction ceremony 1-2 days before the induction ceremony, but you can see Kate Bush did not show up actually... Has he ever provided accurate information?

Posted by power on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 09:57am

Power,

I think the Female acts that will get nominated and inducted this year in 2024 will be Mary J. Blige, Cyndi Lauper and Dionne Warwick because all of them have been previously nominated before (Mary J. Blige in 2021, Cyndi Lauper last year in 2023 and Dionne Warwick in 2021 and 2022), so they're all on the radar and are clearly the next Female acts to get inducted, As much as I love Mariah Carey, Cher, Diana Ross, Roberta Flack, Alanis Morissette, Patti LaBelle, Gloria Estefan, Melissa Etheridge, Tracy Chapman, Britney Spears, etc. I just don't see any of them getting nominated/inducted until after Mary J. Blige, Cyndi Lauper and Dionne Warwick get in first.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 10:54am

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2024 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTION CEREMONY

01. Ben E. King
02. Mary Wells
03. The Marvelettes
04. Diana Ross
05. Dionne Warwick
06. Judy Collins
07. Peter, Paul & Mary
08. The Kingston Trio
09. Jan and Dean
10. The Monkees
11. The Spencer Davis Group
12. Jethro Tull
13. King Crimson
14. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
15. Blood, Sweat & Tears
16. Kool & The Gang
17. Commodores
18. Foreigner
19. Joy Division/New Order
20. Soundgarden
21. Alice In Chains

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 12:22pm

20 puzzling Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs according to cleveland.com.

1. A Tribe Called Quest
2. OutKast
3. Mary J. Blige
4. Devo
5. Iron Maiden
6. Motorhead
7. MC5
8. New York Dolls
9. Slayer
10. Sonic Youth
11. Soundgarden
12. The Smiths
13. Pixies
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. Salt N Pepa
16. Wu - Tang Clan
17. Rick James
18. Alice in Chains
19. Big Mama Thornton
20. Loretta Lynn

Honorable Mentions: Motley Cure, Eric B & Rakim, Thin Lizzy, War, Peter Frampton, Brian Eno, Bad Brains, Megadeth, De La Soul, Captain Beefheart, Black Flag.

I could see most picks on the list getting honored before this decade runs out whether it's in main category or non voting method.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 12:42pm

1. A Tribe Called Quest: eventually will
2. OutKast: likely next year
3. Mary J. Blige: eventually will
4. Devo: eventually will
5. Iron Maiden: eventually will
6. Motorhead: eventually will, likely in side category
7. MC5: : eventually will, likely in side category
8. New York Dolls: eventually will, likely in side category
9. Slayer: likely not, too niche for rock hall
10. Sonic Youth: likely in 2030s
11. Soundgarden: eventually will
12. The Smiths: eventually will
13. Pixies: likely in 2030s
14. Joy Division/New Order: eventually will
15. Salt N Pepa: eventually will
16. Wu - Tang Clan: eventually will
17. Rick James: likely not
18. Alice in Chains: eventually will
19. Big Mama Thornton: eventually will
20. Loretta Lynn: not sure

Posted by power on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 18:33pm

Out of all the acts that have been previously nominated but haven't gotten in yet (A Tribe Called Quest, Afrika Bambaataa, Bad Brains, Beck, Ben E. King, The Chantels, Chic, Chuck Willis, Conway Twitty, Cyndi Lauper, Dave Matthews Band, Devo, Dionne Warwick, The Dominoes, Eric B. & Rakim, Esther Phillips, Fela Kuti, Gram Parsons, Iron Maiden, The J. Geils Band, The J.B.'s, Jane's Addiction, Joe Tex, John Prine, Johnny Ace, Joy Division/New Order, Los Lobos, The Marvelettes, Mary J. Blige, Mary Wells, MC5, The Meters, Motorhead, New York Dolls, Procol Harum, The Replacements, Rufus With Chaka Khan, The Sir Douglas Quintet, The Smiths, Soundgarden, Steppenwolf, Steve Winwood, Sting, Thin Lizzy, War, Warren Zevon and The White Stripes). Which ones do you see getting nominated again and inducted in 2024?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 19:43pm

I miss Donnie, his analysis about rock hall is very good. He has disappeared in this forum for a long time. I hope to see his posts again.

Posted by kevi on Friday, 11/24/2023 @ 22:04pm

That snub list is subjective. To some, acts like the Monkees, Bad Company, Foreigner, and others are up there with Cyndi Lauper, JD/NO, Warren Zevon, Outkast, et al. The ones who criticize whole genres are the closeminded ones.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 01:25am

I'm with k-dawg when it comes to that list and would add it's aggressively American despite some metal and indie.

Like cliff Richard is objectively more important than almost everyone on that list and I'm doubtful they even thought about him when making it.

"Ehhhh sonic youth aren't in"

And neither is Selena. No Fela despite obviously influencing talking heads, Paul Simon, and Peter Gabriel. Serge Gainsborough, Guess Who, MBV, Daddy Yankee (seriously we're living in the age of reggaeton and Daddy Yankee is eligible and you ain't listing him?).

I hate lists like this lol

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 09:16am

Mat r

if the rock hall is in uk, cliff would be inducted in first class. The problem is that he does not have huge influence on American music and rock hall is an American institution. Cliff was inducted in uk music hall of fame in first class in 2004.

Talking about acts who are only big in uk, sex pistols, trex, jdno, roxy and smiths are nominated as they also have huge influence on American music whereas cliff, the jam, blur do not have much influence on us music or do not reflect the real life and spirits of us people.

Posted by power on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 09:31am

bjork is a key act who should eventually be inducted. Most female acts who are somewhat experimental are all directly influenced by bjork

Posted by power on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 09:33am

2018 class is the first class that Amanda Petrusich served in nom com and Kate Bush received first nomination in 2018 class. So it is possible she was the first to support Kate B as Kate B is favorite in hipster media (namely pitchfork). She is likely to support bjork in 2024. I think she makes huge difference in nom com.

Posted by power on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 09:52am

power

I think they're going to take baby steps in inducting female acts of Kate's ilk because I honestly can't see them immediately inducting Bjork. Bjork's music is more intense than Kate's and I think the nom com wants to start somewhere small before making a giant leap. I see them going for Sinéad and then Tori Amos. I predicted Sinéad getting a nomination in 2024. If she's not getting a nomination in 2024, I still see her as getting the musical excellence award as part of the 2024 class.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 11:50am

Elle Dee,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2034) (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 11:58am

My guess is that young hispter nom com members will push for another influential cult act after Kate Bush. This act is hard to guess and will make surprising appearances on ballot

Posted by power on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 12:14pm

I will revist the 10/10 albums by pitchfork and then I may have some clues

Posted by power on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 12:30pm

power

that's what makes cliff richard's snub both weird and understandable. he's got like nothing but forgettable almost novelty hits in the us but in the uk...he's so important. like maybe no beatles, stones, who, or elton without the guy.

and he's still alive and relevant too which makes it crazier. his last 5 albums went like top 5 in the uk and he just had a controversy for calling elvis fat. literally the last early rock guy standing not counting wanda and brenda.

now bjork is interesting because she's the ultimate pitchfork artist and i think even haters recognize she's special. she's more important and bigger Sinead (Sinead is kind of one album and one massive song while bjork had a lot of success for a long time), more acclaimed and relevant that tori (tori couldn't mainstage Coachella in 2023), and she's been eligible for like 20 years now. i don't know if they'll go for her now because i think they want to do Beck first and see her and him as kind of a ying and yang deal. She'll get in after Beck.

Speaking of Pitchfork, I wanted to float a Smiths alternative for a second: My Bloody Valentine. Didn't sell a lot and bankrupted the most important indie label ever but Loveless is pretty mythical at this stage and probably makes MBV the band with the most acclaimed and influential album not in the Hall, outside of hip hop. #1 Pitchfork's 90s list, #73 on the Rolling Stone 500, #18 on the NME 500. If we're thinking who Amanda Petrusich might be thinking about, MBV probably a band she wants to see more than a Devo or MC5.

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Also been thinking about the Danny Elfman chat the other day...I'm starting to think Ben Folds is a more worthy AME than him. Like Elfman is probably better served with like an Honourary Oscar than the Rock Hall induction and Folds, who fits the same profile, probably has a bigger footprint on popular music that Elfman.

Also, speaking of honouary Oscars....how we feeling about Diane Warren as a non-performer after she finally got her Oscar and had a Top 5 song with Taylor Swift. Feels like she's relevant in both pop and cinema again.

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 13:20pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees from 2024-2034 (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 13:23pm

mat r

I disagree on your opinion on Sinéad and Tori. Sinéad was more than Nothing Compares 2 U. Same as Warren Zevon was more than Werewolves of London. Sinéad didn't look or sound like anyone when she first came out the gate with The Lion and the Cobra. I placed Sinéad in the same category as Kate, Siouxsie, Liz Fraser, Kim Gordon, Kim Deal, Kristin Hersh. These 80s alt girlies paved the way for the next female alt acts in the 90s, 00s and beyond. Sinéad, like Kate, had been an influential figure among the likes of Tori, PJ Harvey, Alanis, Sarah McLachlan, Fiona Apple.

As with Tori, she never played at Coachella, but she still maintained a strong following since her debut. She does live concerts every year and her fan base are as intense as Kate's.

Posted by Elle Dee on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 14:14pm

Elle dee

Sinead has more than than nothing compares (last night when I was driving I was listening to throw down your arms) but in terms of commercial performance it and I do not want what I haven't got tower over everything else and it's not even close. Cobra and gate, her next biggest album, sold like a quarter of what I do not want did and everything else, while the did respectable numbers, sold a lot less than cobra.

On the other hand Bjork had debut and post go platinum, homogenic went gold, Volta is her highest charting album, she was a force in the UK for years.

Tori I think had a bigger peak but despite the cult I don't think she holds the same weight Bjork does in 2023.

Like I think the three share a kind of legacy but Bjork has kind of attained a different aura from the other two thanks to a range of things from fashion or music videos to just being an art project. Like she's reached the point where she doesn't need to sell albums or even acknowledge the existence of her hits to sell out a 10000 seat venue or mainstage or even headline a festival. She's basically in the same position as nine inch nails or Radiohead (tori isn't there and Sinead didn't reach it) despite selling a lot less records and that's kind of amazing.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 14:34pm

Sineads death hurts her more than helps. She doesn't have the ability to enhance her case no longer being with us. That probably won't sway many voters, especially one who only know nothinh5compares 2u

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 16:24pm

Bjork, Sonic Youth, Pixies, the Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, the Replacements, PJ Harvey all fall into hipster favorite range.

I also think JD/NO is nominated mainly because the hipster member's appreance in nom com meeting. I do not think any baby boomer or early gen-x nom com member would consider JD/NO. Depeche Mode, the Smiths, the Replacements are nominated as they have relation to Seymour Stein, but JD/NO do not have.

As for MBV, this band may have a chance after 2030 or around 2040? As of now, it seems that almost no past inductees will vote for MBV, even alternative past inductees. Only the cure will vote for MBV? But I think this band is really deserving. Loveless is a really influential album and I think this album sounds very fresh, fresher than OK Computer.

Posted by power on Saturday, 11/25/2023 @ 21:10pm

power

you forgot wilco, pavement, flaming lips, elliott smith, and liz phair

i'd say all five are way stronger candidates than pj.

actually if we took those five and the 8 you mentioned i think wilco might be the strongest on a ballot. pixies and jd/no are strong i think there's a chance wilco is stronger

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 11/26/2023 @ 00:09am

mat r, power

If I were a hall voter, I would not hesitate in voting for PJ over Wilco, Pavement, Elliott Smith, Flaming Lips and Liz Phair. PJ's catalogue is a lot more interesting and compelling than Wilco's.

I view Wilco the same way I view Neutral Milk Hotel - overrated indie music meme.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 11/26/2023 @ 02:47am

Elle dee

Same but Wilco's 2000s run is pretty great and I think they'd be aided by their professionalism. They're like the adults of indie rock.

Also did anyone notice this? Strange bedfellows but note worthy

https://www.1057thepoint.com/music-news/more-like-the-smashing-snowballs-billy-corgan-company-performing-on-abc-holiday-specials/

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 11/26/2023 @ 08:18am

Songwriters Hall Of Fame 2024 Nominees For Induction Announced
https://www.songhall.org/news/view/songwriters_hall_of_fame_2024_nominees_for_induction_announced

NON-PERFORMERS CATEGORY

L. Russell Brown
Dean Dillon
Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter
Hillary Lindsey
Tony Macaulay
Timothy Mosley p/k/a Timbaland
Roger Nichols
Dean Pitchford
Maurice Starr
Narada Michael Walden

PERFORMERS CATEGORY

Bryan Adams
Tracy Chapman
George Clinton
David Gates
Kenny Loggins

Ann Wilson & Nancy Wilson (Heart)
Randy Bachman & Burton Cummings (The Guess Who / Bachman-Turner Overdrive)
Tom Johnston, Patrick Simmons & Michael McDonald (The Doobie Brothers)

Steely Dan
Blondie
R.E.M.
Public Enemy

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11/26/2023 @ 20:50pm

Maybe FRL needs to start Future Songwriting Legends.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 11/26/2023 @ 22:46pm

response to something from wednesday, mat r,

theres absolutely no way fantano has a ballot. hes not in any industry, he has no company or coworkers or any real connection with the hall. hes very much a league of his own, and if he had ballot he'd absolutely mention it in a video. like Eddie trunk is a radiohost, he has managers and assistants and has interviewed rock hall inductees and comittee members. sure fantano also does interviews, but hes interviewing LIngua Ignota and Mount Eerie, not Dave Grohl and Tony Iommi.

Posted by will m on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 08:36am

power,

Patti Smith has frequently collaborated with Kevin Shields, i think her and espiecally Lenny Kaye would likely push for that band if they came up.

Posted by will m on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 08:39am

Will M,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 08:54am

will m

yea i feel fantano would mention if he had a ballot. he does seem to have respect for the hall and take it kind of seriously and given his popularity it is kind of surprising he doesn't (especially as like eminem and rivers cuomo have said they watch him so he is on people's radar - lol remember when drake sent him threatening dms). he did work with complex for a time but that was years ago. i think he's interviewed st. vincent but i don't know what pull she would have. he probably could get tom or questlove to sit down with him

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 09:28am

Honestly speaking, I think the influence of old school rnb is way deeper than many other genres in the same era like glam, prog rock, hard rock, just to name a few. You can still hear the influence of old school rnb music in today's rnb, hip-hop and pop and rock music. Beyonce sampled chi-lites and made a billboard 1 single. Jungle Boogie by kool and the gang makes huge influence on many rock musicians on how to make riff. RATM's know your enemy I believe is inspired by this song.

Old school rnb is still not represented well.

Posted by power on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 09:50am

Power,

https://futurerocklegends.com/2023_Inductees/#437457

https://futurerocklegends.com/2023_Inductees/#437597

https://futurerocklegends.com/2023_Inductees/#437882

Your early predictions for the 2024 nominees were:

Return on the ballot:

Dionne Warwick (3rd nomination, nominated in 2021, 2022)
Iron Maiden (3rd nomination, nominated in 2021, 2023)
A Tribe Called Quest (3rd nomination, nominated in 2022, 2023)
Jane's Addiction (2nd nomination, nominated in 2017)
Mary J. Blige (2nd nomination, nominated in 2021)
Joy Division/New Order (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
Warren Zevon (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
The White Stripes (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
Cyndi Lauper (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)

First on the ballot:

Alanis Morissette
Bjork
Phil Collins
Lenny Kravitz
OutKast
Emmylou Harris
Kool & The Gang
Television

so I think that you should go with Dionne Warwick, Iron Maiden, A Tribe Called Quest, Jane's Addiction, Mary J. Blige, Joy Division/New Order, Warren Zevon, The White Stripes, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Bjork, Phil Collins, Lenny Kravitz, OutKast and Kool & The Gang as your final predictions for the 2024 nominees.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 12:20pm

power,

not to mention the meters and jbs, massively sampled artists, being still on the outs. even with fats, longhair, toussaint, and dr john in the hall, the meters are an essential new orleans group.

Posted by will m on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 12:34pm

Think this helps (partnering with the broadcast partner of the rock hall) or hurts (mass brand confusion)

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/smashing-pumpkins-evergreen-bing-crosby-cover-disney-holiday-special-1234897412/

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 14:01pm

Mat R,

Are your predictions for the 2024 nominees (The J. Geils Band, New York Dolls, Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest, Warren Zevon, Cyndi Lauper, Dave Matthews Band, Joy Division/New Order, Mary J. Blige, Tracy Chapman, Britney Spears, Oasis, OutKast and Peter Frampton) still the same as before?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 15:00pm

Mat r,

May or may not. Hard to tell. There's other guests as well, Micheal Bolton was also there and he has zero shot. But they got a lot of press for it, so it might get the attention needed

Posted by Will m on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 17:11pm

Will M,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 19:37pm

Howard Stern said Pumpkins should be inducted in rrhof on his show, I do not if this will make influence on decision of rrhof

Posted by power on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 20:03pm

God I hope the pumpkins duet dj Khaled at the Disney thing.

"The world is a vampire"

"We the best music"

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 21:23pm

Pumpkins is a bigger band than Soundgarden and 1979 is a bigger hit than Black Hole Sun. Pumpkins has platinium album but Soundgarden does not have. If it is possible that Pumpkins has better chance than Soundgarden on the ballot?

Posted by power on Monday, 11/27/2023 @ 22:35pm

platinium should be diamond

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/28/2023 @ 00:11am

https://www.facebook.com/groups/rockhallfanspace/permalink/3278846399012364/

The general rule for induction is being in 1/3 of returned ballots, with the top 5 getting in no matter what….and as Alan Light has said, (paraphrasing here) if there are some that are really close, they'll get in as well.

Posted by kevi on Tuesday, 11/28/2023 @ 06:39am

Ralib's predictions for the 2024 performer nominees

1. Cyndi Lauper - A no brainer, a-lot of people expected her to get in last year and she's the last iconic pop/rock female artist of the 80's that hasn't been honored.

2. Mariah Carey - Whitney and Janet are in and Mariah's icon status continues to rise still 34 years into her career. She's the best selling female artist of all time, with the biggest selling single of all time, and she's wrote or co-written all her material, as well as being one of the most talented singers of all time. She should have been a FYE but I believe the only reason she hasn't is because her catalogue has been criticized by some as being too much middle of the road contemporary and not challenging enough artistically. If not Mariah, I can see Mary getting on ballot again, i feel like they prefer Mary but won't want to risk it again if they don't think she has a good chance at getting in, whereas Mariah will likely get inducted at soon as she's on the ballot.

3. The Chicks (formerly Dixie Chicks)- I'm surprised more people aren't mentioning them.. Now that the hall is starting to give country pop more attention with Dolly and Sheryl, I think the next group that most falls under that category is Chicks. They have been very outspoken politically which the Hall loves to highlight as it fits the rebel rock and roll attitude. They're the best selling country female group and have received numerous awards, and their music has been well received by critics overall. They're still pretty popular…Honestly I don't see any negatives, plus they're are Taylor Swifts biggest influence so that's enough of a reason right there.

4. Joy Division/New Order - It doesn't seem like the Hall will want to skip them. They're gonna keep being nominated until they make it in. They're too important not to.

5. Outkast - They haven't received a ballot yet because there's been a lot of competition in the hip-hop category but they're the most qualified and deserving hip-hop act not in yet. If I don't see them on the ballot next year I'll be surprised AGAIN.

6. Iron Maiden - If you go solely by the numbers… they don't seem very impressive. But pretty much every rock and roll enthusiast will tell you how important they are. Their influence and contributions to Heavy Metal can't be ignored.

7. Kool & The Gang - I admit I don't know much about this group but after the Spinners getting in and The Meters failing to get in so many times, I have a feeling they'll give them a chance on the ballot.

8. The White Stripes - The fact that they were nominated their first year of eligibility and given their reputation and critical acclaim, I think they are a top priority for the hall and won't be skipped. I think they will get in before Coldplay.

9. Beck - There is always at least one male solo rock artist on the ballot and I think Beck will make a return. The case for him not being in is that he hasn't had much wide appeal or iconic songs but if T.Rex and Todd Rundgren can get in, surely he can too. He also has two perfect score (100) rolling stone rated albums. Which is usually a good indicator that an artist will be inducted. If not him I could see it being Warren Zevon again.

10. Soundgarden - Skme people are saying they won't wanna go with them again and it will be Jane's Addiction, but Idk. I feel like there will be a strong push for Soundgarden again, Jane's Addiction doesn't have nearly the level of impact and influence. SG needs to get in first.

11. B-52's - They've been snubbed so long I think a lot of people are beginning to count them out but idk I think they are too important to not still put on the list. They also have two perfect RS albums reviews and are on the list of the 500 most important rock songs.

12. Sade - I'm surprised more people haven't been mentioning her. She's one of the most enduring and acclaimed female artists. I know Questlove will be fighting for her to get on the ballot, she also is one of the few left (Along with Mariah and Mary J Blige) from the original VH1 greatest artists of all time list to not be on a ballot or inducted. She may have been overlooked because she's not as successful in the U.S but I think now would be the time they'll consider her.

Posted by Ralib on Tuesday, 11/28/2023 @ 10:52am

Ralib's predictions for the 2024 performer nominees

1. Cyndi Lauper - A no brainer, a-lot of people expected her to get in last year and she's the last iconic pop/rock female artist of the 80's that hasn't been honored.

2. Mariah Carey - Whitney and Janet are in and Mariah's icon status continues to rise still 34 years into her career. She's the best selling female artist of all time, with the biggest selling single of all time, and she's wrote or co-written all her material, as well as being one of the most talented singers of all time. She should have been a FYE but I believe the only reason she hasn't is because her catalogue has been criticized by some as being too much middle of the road contemporary and not challenging enough artistically. If not Mariah, I can see Mary getting on ballot again, i feel like they prefer Mary but won't want to risk it again if they don't think she has a good chance at getting in, whereas Mariah will likely get inducted at soon as she's on the ballot.

3. The Chicks (formerly Dixie Chicks)- I'm surprised more people aren't mentioning them.. Now that the hall is starting to give country pop more attention with Dolly and Sheryl, I think the next group that most falls under that category is Chicks. They have been very outspoken politically which the Hall loves to highlight as it fits the rebel rock and roll attitude. They're the best selling country female group and have received numerous awards, and their music has been well received by critics overall. They're still pretty popular…Honestly I don't see any negatives, plus they're are Taylor Swifts biggest influence so that's enough of a reason right there.

4. Joy Division/New Order - It doesn't seem like the Hall will want to skip them. They're gonna keep being nominated until they make it in. They're too important not to.

5. Outkast - They haven't received a ballot yet because there's been a lot of competition in the hip-hop category but they're the most qualified and deserving hip-hop act not in yet. If I don't see them on the ballot next year I'll be surprised AGAIN.

6. Iron Maiden - If you go solely by the numbers… they don't seem very impressive. But pretty much every rock and roll enthusiast will tell you how important they are. Their influence and contributions to Heavy Metal can't be ignored.

7. Kool & The Gang - I admit I don't know much about this group but after the Spinners getting in and The Meters failing to get in so many times, I have a feeling they'll give them a chance on the ballot.

8. The White Stripes - The fact that they were nominated their first year of eligibility and given their reputation and critical acclaim, I think they are a top priority for the hall and won't be skipped. I think they will get in before Coldplay.

9. Beck - There is always at least one male solo rock artist on the ballot and I think Beck will make a return. The case for him not being in is that he hasn't had much wide appeal or iconic songs but if T.Rex and Todd Rundgren can get in, surely he can too. He also has two perfect score (100) rolling stone rated albums. Which is usually a good indicator that an artist will be inducted. If not him I could see it being Warren Zevon again.

10. Soundgarden - Skme people are saying they won't wanna go with them again and it will be Jane's Addiction, but Idk. I feel like there will be a strong push for Soundgarden again, Jane's Addiction doesn't have nearly the level of impact and influence. SG needs to get in first.

11. B-52's - They've been snubbed so long I think a lot of people are beginning to count them out but idk I think they are too important to not still put on the list. They also have two perfect RS albums reviews and are on the list of the 500 most important rock songs.

12. Sade - I'm surprised more people haven't been mentioning her. She's one of the most enduring and acclaimed female artists. I know Questlove will be fighting for her to get on the ballot, she also is one of the few left (Along with Mariah and Mary J Blige) from the original VH1 greatest artists of all time list to not be on a ballot or inducted. She may have been overlooked because she's not as successful in the U.S but I think now would be the time they'll consider her.

Posted by Ralib on Tuesday, 11/28/2023 @ 10:52am

Ralib,

you give some interesting thoughts. Where do you know about questlove supporting sade?

I think Sade is successfully act in us, although only has one billboard top 10 hit, sade has multiple platinum albums in us. Love Deluxe is 4xplatibum I believe.

Member of replacements says questlove will support replacements but I still do not enthusiastic about the chance of the mats.

Also, I think 5 or 6 2023 snubbed nominees back in 2024 is not very likely. The percentage is too high. I think 4 is possible. The nom com will make rotation to give other acts more chance

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/28/2023 @ 11:06am

I am not sure about the case of Warren Zevon. I do not know if Zevon is more in line with Todd Rundgren or John Prine. If Zevon is similar with Todd, he will be nominated until he is inducted. If Zevon is similar with Prine, he will wait to give others a chance.

Honestly speaking, John Prine is not an totally obscure act and he actually has one billboard top 10 hit (Zevon does not have billboard top 10 hit). I now find similarities between two acts, both are beloved by their peers but they all do not have huge commercial success. It is possible Zevon will rest for more years.

Rock hall is honoring Prine now so I seriously consider predicting the return of John Prine

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/28/2023 @ 11:14am

I feel John Prine is a little more respected than Zevon by their peers. Prine has an album high on newest rs 500 list and a rs 500 song but Zevon does not have.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/28/2023 @ 11:18am

my prediction:

Dionne Warwick
Dave Matthews Band
Joy Division/New Order
Soundgarden
Cyndi Lauper
John Prine
Iron Maiden
the White Stripes
Devo

Salt N Pepa
Outkast
Alanis Morrisette
Mariah Carey
Kool & The Gang
Tracy Chapman

Posted by power on Tuesday, 11/28/2023 @ 11:24am

Power,

Out of your predictions for the 2024 nominees (Mariah Carey, Tracy Chapman, Dave Matthews Band, Devo, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Kool & The Gang, Cyndi Lauper, OutKast, John Prine, Salt-N-Pepa, Soundgarden, Dionne Warwick and The White Stripes). I think the following acts would get inducted:

Dionne Warwick
Cyndi Lauper
Salt-N-Pepa
OutKast
Mariah Carey
Kool & The Gang

7th spot is wide open.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/28/2023 @ 15:05pm

Here's are my updated predictions. This is just for nominees only. I'm not going to predict inductees.

Alanis Morrisette
Cyndi Lauper
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Dionne Warwick
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Kool & The Gang
Mariah Carey
OutKast
Salt-n-Pepa
Shania Twain
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Tracy Chapman
Warren Zevon

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 11/28/2023 @ 15:27pm

I don't often take a list and throw my critiques in, but I'll take a stab at Ralib's. NOTE: I am not throwing shade or bashing your pics, dude. This is just my thoughts on your choices. It's so wide open that there are literally a couple hundred that would be worthy of nomination this year alone.

1. Cyndi Lauper - I agree this will be her year, but I don't think she's the last 80s icon solo singer to get a look. We still have the likes of an Olivia Newton John, a Sheena Easton...and if you count her solo, I think Gloria Estefan is neck and neck with Cyndi for a slam dunk. However, she will probably go in with her hubs and the Sound Machine in the next couple years.

2. Mariah Carey - Hard to disagree with anything you say there. Mariah is the bridge between the 80s and 90s.

3. The Chicks (formerly Dixie Chicks)- First one I don't see a clear path to. Country has so many rock influences, that the DIxie Chicks didn't even cross my radar. Indeed, I think they may be too polarizing at this point given their political war with Bush in years past. Then again, Rage are critical darlings, so who knows?

4. Joy Division/New Order - The other big snub from last year. Everything you say is true. They are the next new wave act, and should be.

5. Outkast - Also my favorite to be the next rap act. Influence, artistry...and they come from the ATL, which is the next biggest rap hotbed after NY and LA.

6. Iron Maiden - Their influence is undisputable. However, the Hall has stonewalled metal as much as humanly possible since Metallica. They might get a shot, and I think they will, but they might suffer Priest's fate and I wouldn't be a bit surprised

7. Kool & The Gang - They are as good as anyone to get a 70s rnb/funk look, and since the Spinners finally cracked the nut, it's time for the RRHOF to represent this genre more fully.

8. The White Stripes - This was a stunning pick last year, not just because they weren't supposed to be eligible until this year. They're kind of in a gray zone, because the Hall has made it clear they're going after other genres besides traditonal rock, and the Stripes had their thunder stolen last year by being nominated. I think many expected the Hall to make the statement and put them in forthwith. With Coldplay eligible, it hurts their chances, and Coldplay is a lot more chart and youth friendly.

9. Beck - Again, an interesting situation for the man with a little bit of everything for everybody. He's in a gray zone as well. His influence is obvious, but he just doesn't feel right to me as this is his time. If you're gonna call him a male rock artist, you have guys like Warren Zevon, Phil Collins, and Bryan Adams, amongst numerous others, who fit that large range. I'm not seeing it, at least in that context. If you think they're gonna shift more to the beginnings of rap rock with Linkin Park coming, I can see that potential, though.

10. Soundgarden - I think they'll get nominated. I am not sure they'll get inducted, because rock is still so parsed out among the members of the committee. They should be, but the committee still has a half dozen 70s bands and a plethora of other 90s groups, grunge or other alternative, looking on the outside.

11. B-52's - Honestly, I don't think they're being given up on at all. They simply are in a waiting logjam with all the remaining new wave bands that haven't been inducted. The list has shrunken considerably, and the Hall hasn't been afraid the past few years to try to get everyone in. The snub of JDNO last year was a shock given their trends in recent years, but I think they'll easily skate in once nominated. Cyndi Lauper's induction would help too, as she is an LGBQ darling also.

12. Sade - She's a fine choice to be nominated, but she's unique in so many ways. You stepped on your own statement about iconic 80s females by mentioning her and that's fine. She'll get her chance soon

Just my thoughts on your list. It's a fine effort all in all.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 00:44am

I don't often take a list and throw my critiques in, but I'll take a stab at Ralib's. NOTE: I am not throwing shade or bashing your pics, dude. This is just my thoughts on your choices. It's so wide open that there are literally a couple hundred that would be worthy of nomination this year alone.

1. Cyndi Lauper - I agree this will be her year, but I don't think she's the last 80s icon solo singer to get a look. We still have the likes of an Olivia Newton John, a Sheena Easton...and if you count her solo, I think Gloria Estefan is neck and neck with Cyndi for a slam dunk. However, she will probably go in with her hubs and the Sound Machine in the next couple years.

2. Mariah Carey - Hard to disagree with anything you say there. Mariah is the bridge between the 80s and 90s.

3. The Chicks (formerly Dixie Chicks)- First one I don't see a clear path to. Country has so many rock influences, that the DIxie Chicks didn't even cross my radar. Indeed, I think they may be too polarizing at this point given their political war with Bush in years past. Then again, Rage are critical darlings, so who knows?

4. Joy Division/New Order - The other big snub from last year. Everything you say is true. They are the next new wave act, and should be.

5. Outkast - Also my favorite to be the next rap act. Influence, artistry...and they come from the ATL, which is the next biggest rap hotbed after NY and LA.

6. Iron Maiden - Their influence is undisputable. However, the Hall has stonewalled metal as much as humanly possible since Metallica. They might get a shot, and I think they will, but they might suffer Priest's fate and I wouldn't be a bit surprised

7. Kool & The Gang - They are as good as anyone to get a 70s rnb/funk look, and since the Spinners finally cracked the nut, it's time for the RRHOF to represent this genre more fully.

8. The White Stripes - This was a stunning pick last year, not just because they weren't supposed to be eligible until this year. They're kind of in a gray zone, because the Hall has made it clear they're going after other genres besides traditonal rock, and the Stripes had their thunder stolen last year by being nominated. I think many expected the Hall to make the statement and put them in forthwith. With Coldplay eligible, it hurts their chances, and Coldplay is a lot more chart and youth friendly.

9. Beck - Again, an interesting situation for the man with a little bit of everything for everybody. He's in a gray zone as well. His influence is obvious, but he just doesn't feel right to me as this is his time. If you're gonna call him a male rock artist, you have guys like Warren Zevon, Phil Collins, and Bryan Adams, amongst numerous others, who fit that large range. I'm not seeing it, at least in that context. If you think they're gonna shift more to the beginnings of rap rock with Linkin Park coming, I can see that potential, though.

10. Soundgarden - I think they'll get nominated. I am not sure they'll get inducted, because rock is still so parsed out among the members of the committee. They should be, but the committee still has a half dozen 70s bands and a plethora of other 90s groups, grunge or other alternative, looking on the outside.

11. B-52's - Honestly, I don't think they're being given up on at all. They simply are in a waiting logjam with all the remaining new wave bands that haven't been inducted. The list has shrunken considerably, and the Hall hasn't been afraid the past few years to try to get everyone in. The snub of JDNO last year was a shock given their trends in recent years, but I think they'll easily skate in once nominated. Cyndi Lauper's induction would help too, as she is an LGBQ darling also.

12. Sade - She's a fine choice to be nominated, but she's unique in so many ways. You stepped on your own statement about iconic 80s females by mentioning her and that's fine. She'll get her chance soon

Just my thoughts on your list. It's a fine effort all in all.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 00:44am

It is strange for me to see that the B-52's is still ignored as most of their CBGB/US new wave peers were already inducted in 00s (Talking Heads/Pretenders/Blondie/Patti Smith) or 10s (the Cars).

If I can decide the ballot, I will put this group on 2024 ballot without hesitation. Alan Light said something like "although b-52's had some momemtum recently, we think Cyndi Lauper is bigger", it is very disrespectful. The B-52's may be not very high on nom com's list on female rocker, which is very frustrating. I think nom com may push for Cyndi again and then may consider the B-52's but who knows. To me, I do not treat Cyndi and the B-52's as similar type of artists.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 01:29am

K-dawg

Isn't sade a band? Like the singer is named Sade but It's always her and the same 3 or 4 guys doing everything on every record and at every show since the 80s

I do agree she/they are a strong contender

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 08:18am

Many people mentioned the possibility of Peter Frampton, they think Peter appeared in the induction ceremony and he will then be nominated. I do not buy it. Ian Hunter of Mott the Hoople appeared in 2019 induction ceremony and was the highlight in all-star jam but he has not been nominated yet since then. To me, Peter is marginal for HOF.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 09:08am

I think Sade is near a lock for induction in the next few years. This group is influential in neo-soul and recent black popular music. Even Metallica loves Sade. Sade will be included soon.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 09:15am

Yeah Sade is the name of the band as well as it's primary member just like Santana. They definitely have a chance, but I feel like Sade's turn is still a few years away. There are others (Diana Ross, Patti Labelle) who should probably get a shot before Sade.

I'm all in on the B-52's getting a nom. They've been the biggest snub for me since LL Cool J received induction. Given that they check a few boxes in addition to their success and influence I'm surprised they haven't been nominated yet.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 09:32am

Enigmaticus used to advocate for Sade with his "progressive rock" perspective, but disappeared the last couple years. I salute the older posters of this board who were here before my appearance roughly 14 years ago...

I do wonder what happened to the gentleman. He was repetitive, as some here are, but his wealth of knowledge of prog rock and other topics music was impressive. I hope he's ok wherever he is.

Sade definitely will get a look. I just see it being later than sooner

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 14:25pm

Enigmaticus used to advocate for Sade with his "progressive rock" perspective, but disappeared the last couple years. I salute the older posters of this board who were here before my appearance roughly 14 years ago...

I do wonder what happened to the gentleman. He was repetitive, as some here are, but his wealth of knowledge of prog rock and other topics music was impressive. I hope he's ok wherever he is.

Sade definitely will get a look. I just see it being later than sooner

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 14:25pm

When we making prediction of induction class, we often assume that most voters will use all 5 spots, however, that is not the true case. For example, Terry Sylvester from the Hollies just voted for the Zombies and Sister Roseatta Tharpe in 2018 (he wanted to vote for the Moody Blues but did vote for them due to other reasons). I think it is likely that many old voters do not know new music well and they only vote for acts in their era. For example, some old black voters may only vote for the Spinners and do not vote for Tribe or even Missy. We basiclly assume black voters will vote for black acts no matter what or British voters will definitely vote for new British acts, and this is not always true.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 19:35pm

I find the Disney factor of the hall annoying cause like you now have to pay attention to what is happening with Disney cause Disney probably now has some input on what happens with the ceremony which rick krim, as a producer on the ceremony, is going to care about.

Anyways Bob iger apparently is blaming creatives for the recent string of Disney flops because they focused to much on messages and not enough on what audiences want suggesting Disney will go apolitical or something. Will this impact the rock hall I don't know but I figure it's worth mentioning.

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/11/29/i2pw5rwnyoya4kqwho68iz2oujrdcz

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 11/29/2023 @ 23:02pm

Shane MacGowan tragically passed away today :(

Posted by will m on Thursday, 11/30/2023 @ 06:41am

Shane MacGowan tragically passed away today :(

Posted by will m on Thursday, 11/30/2023 @ 06:41am

Good timing for cher

https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/cher-no-1-song-billboard-chart-seventh-decade-dj-play-a-christmas-song-1235518147/

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 11/30/2023 @ 07:22am

What are your updated predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/30/2023 @ 13:06pm

Has a Hall of Famer died since Rudolph Isley back in early October?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 11/30/2023 @ 14:05pm

Follower,

Unless one of the more obscure inductees like gene Cornish passed and I just didn't notice, no new hall of famers have passed away since Rudy Isley

Posted by Will m on Thursday, 11/30/2023 @ 16:24pm

Mat R,

I think that this is the year for either Alanis Morissette or Melissa Etheridge following Sheryl Crow's induction as they are both Female rockers from the 90's like Sheryl, As much as I love Tracy Chapman, I just don't see her getting nominated before Alanis and Melissa, If she gets nominated this year, It will be because of Luke Combs having a huge massive hit with a cover of Fast Car this past year, rather than her career. so I see Alanis or Melissa taking the Sheryl Crow spot this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/30/2023 @ 17:33pm

My updated predictions for the 2024 performer nominees are:

1. OutKast (I think that this is their year finally)
2. Salt-N-Pepa (ATCQ takes a break and Salt-N-Pepa take their spot)
3. Luther Vandross (following Lionel Richie and George Michael, Wouldn't be surprised if they go with Phil Collins as well)
4. Beck (I think he returns again)
5. Mary J. Blige (with The Spinners and Chaka Khan now finally inducted, She is the next R&B/Soul act to get in)
6. Cyndi Lauper (just missed last year, she is a shoo-in this year)
7. Thin Lizzy (gut feeling tells me that they'll come back this year)
8. The White Stripes (They potential get the Radiohead treatment)
9. Warren Zevon (just missed last year, he comes back again this year)
10. Iron Maiden (potentially get the Judas Priest treatment)
11. Soundgarden (potentially get in on their third try just like NIN)
12. Dionne Warwick (Kennedy Center Honor, plus she's been nominated before, so she's back again this year)

Spoilers: Phil Collins, Devo, A Tribe Called Quest, The B-52's, TLC, Sade, The Bangles

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/30/2023 @ 17:50pm

Back for #4: War

Back for #3: Soundgarden, Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest

Back for #2: Warren Zevon, Cyndi Lauper, Dave Matthews Band, White Stripes, Mary J. Blige

Debuts: Tracey Chapman, Britney Spears, Outkast, Peter Frampton, Bryan Adams, Suzi Quarto

Performer Class: Outkast, Dionne Warwick, Dave Matthews Band, Tracey Chapman, Britney Spears, Bryan Adams, Cyndi Lauper

Big update and it's largely cause bored but also cause of the songwriter hall of fame nominations. Adams name stuck out as he is friendly with the hall (was gonna induct Tina but got COVID). There's been some crossover with inductees there getting in and I think Adams probably has a decent chance at getting in, as does Chapman (I think she's a near lock if she gets into the songwriter hall). After Lionel Richie and George Michael, Adams is a very appropriate next in line for the 80s male pop star spot due to his commercial success (which rivals Richie and Michael) and accolades (a grammy, 20 Junos, given pretty much every Canadian honour). He's also very rock (they might need rock) and still popular in the UK and Canada and simply put he is politicking his way on to a ballot. I know people like Phil Collins or Billy Idol as the next male pop guy but I do think Adams will be the guy.

I think we are also gonna see a diverse ballot with a lot of women and artists of colour cause jann and it will convert into a quite diverse class with mostly women led acts going in

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 11/30/2023 @ 23:49pm

Talking about Cyndi Lapuer, I feel her fate depends on the competition within the ballot.

On 2023 ballot, George must split her votes. George is as connected as Cyndi, have way more hits and more decent albums. He is more acclaimed than Cyndi. Generally speaking, George is a bigger and better candidate than Cyndi. What is more, George has more rock elements in his music is more connected to rock scene than Cyndi, for example, rockers like Queen, Def Leppard may vote for George but may not vote for Cyndi. Also, if critics wants to vote for female pop acts/rockers, Kate Bush makes better music than Cyndi and the career of Kate B is also slightly earlier than Cyndi, the resurgence of popularity of Kate Bush after 30 more years is also very rare and valuable. So critics, especially young critics, almost all vote Kate B over Cyndi if they have to choose.

Talking about future, Cyndi should be the strongest pop acts/rockers on the ballot to be surely inducted (which may not happen recently). For example, if she is nominated with like Dionne Warwick, Diana Ross, Cher, Mary J Blige, Mariah Carey or other bigger male acts in/after her era like Usher, Phil Collins, she is likely to be snubbed again unfortunately. She is like stereotype rock hall inductee but she is not surefire on almost every possible ballot.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 09:46am

Mat r,

I am curious about your prediction about WAR. You seem to be the first person to predict WAR. No one mentions this group here. I feel if the Spinners can be inducted, so can WAR. Low Rider is as popular as classic as The Rubberband Man. It seems that a lot of people including me are predicting Kool & the Gang now.

Posted by power on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 09:52am

According to guest on Twitter ( https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1730494798618833057 ), He is saying this about the 2024 inductions:

https://twitter.com/Btravll/status/1730494798618833057

Mariah Carey
New Edition
Kool and the Gang
Bangles
Replacements
Ice-T
Queen Latifah
Cher

8 inductees
and committee inductions: (1st) Jeff Beck Group , Monkees , Chubby Checker , Streisand

I see Lauper and Zevon not being on the ballot
after last years shenanigans costing them

What are your thoughts on this?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 10:17am

power,

ive actually been mentioning war, they have a lot of crossover in a lot of places, funk and rock and RNB and jazz

Posted by will m on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 12:32pm

Richie I don't know it's too soon to tell who gets inducted in 2024. The nominees aren't even out. Let's wait and see who's nominated in February.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 13:24pm

power

war come up from time to time and here's my logic: war is more respected and more 70s. kool and the gang have more hits and are sampled like crazy but neither of those means your respected (like creed had a lot of hits and people think they're a joke and "nt" is the most sampled kool and the gang song and no one knows that songs outside of that 2 second sample). also kool and the gang commercially peaked in the 80s which i think plays a role here.

war have an album on the rs500 (kool and the gang were never critical darlings), (they're not as sampled as kool) but they are heavily sampled, they have a very famous former member who is already in, and the songs of their's that get covered get covered a lot and by some very big names across genres (like willie nelson, korn, barry white, kedrick lamar, isley bros, sean kingston, ty seagal, smash mouth). kool and the gang have more songs that get covered but they don't get covered as often or as by as many big names (lil kim, kylie minogue, robert palmer) or big names covering the song with kool and the gang.

i think there's more for war than kool and if i'm honest i kinda think the push for kool comes from joe kwaczala

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 13:28pm

so anyone else feeling like Randy Bachman is the biggest x-factor right now? Songwriter Hall of Fame nominee, brought BTO out of retirement, is fighting for the legacy of the Guess Who. He's, I think, clearly campaigning after dropping posts about his double Canadian Music Hall of Fame inductions the same week as the Rock Hall ceremony. Year started and he lost two brothers/bandmates (IIRC they were snubbed during the ceremony) and now at the end of the year he's lost another bandmate. With everything involving him right now being about legacy I kinda feel he's an x-factor

The lawsuit hurts the chances of the Guess Who but hey Soundgarden was nominated

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 16:07pm

Will M,

Sorry, I forgot your statement about WAR. I see it before.

Mat r,

I get your point with War & Kool and the Gang. Talking about the Guess Who, David Fricke supported the Guess Who before and he is lifelong the Guess Who fan, it is possible he will support this band again in the next year.

Posted by power on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 20:07pm

Mat r,

I've never really thought that the Peterson incarnation or the lawsuits have ever hurt guess who's chances. I think it's a case like bill withers where they've genuinely just forgotten. With Randy's campaigning I think he could be in consideration now maybe. Also what do you mean snubbed by ceremony? Both Tim and Robbie were mentioned in the memorial. I also hope to see BTO live this year for my birthday in march

Posted by Will M on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 20:18pm

Will m

I must have missed them in the tribute. My mistake with the snub comment, I just don't recall them.

I feel like Peterson and Kale's (he's involved) version has become an issue. Peterson has openly talked about how the band can't tour Canada anymore because the reception has been so negative and it's documented that there were guess who shows with no members of the band as early as the 80s. 40 years of goofiness will damage ya. There's a reason Cummings called the band a carnival.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 21:17pm

Does the owner of future rock legends have actual votes. I think rock hall actually knows this website.

Also, shrek is connected with Alan Light. Does shrek have a rock hall vote?

Posted by power on Friday, 12/1/2023 @ 22:30pm

richie, you've been asked time and again not to reference that mo-ron and his account. Please don't insult our intelligences by asking what we think of his BS.

This board has enough intelligent individuals with enough different viewpoints to make this board interesting without charlatans like him.

As to War, I really don't know what the Hall will do with them. T-Rex, kind of a similar case, came out of nowhere and was voted in. I know War has the influence and is more than Lowrider and Cisco Kid, but they are on the border of being a 70s band to many voters who are alienated by the prospect, I would think.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/2/2023 @ 04:03am

Due to guest related matters, this forum become very cold now...

Talking about the replacements, I remember former nom com member Roy Trakin said the mats has so many industry enemies, which may hinder possible nomination. However, Questlove is pushing this band now. Alan Light also mentioned this band as well. I do not totally write them off, but I think even this band appears on the ballot soon, this band has very slim chance. This band has almost no hits older votes know, so I feel this band may have better chance after 2030 with more young voters coming in.

I feel the hall is focusing on JD/NO, Devo, the Smiths, the Replacements now, after these bands in, the hall will start to try Sonic Youth and Pixies. But the logjam of alternative/indie is so serious. RATM tried for 5 times, Big names like Jane's Addiction, Soundgarden, Beck, the White Stripes, all these bands are beloved by some classical rockers, are still being ignored now. I cannot imagine the plight of other alternative and indie musicians in the future. It is ironic that artists in the main development direction of rock music in the 1980s and 1990s found it difficult to enter rock halls.

Posted by power on Saturday, 12/2/2023 @ 20:30pm

I know both Chuck D and LL Cool J are involved with rock hall things, but I wonder why they are not in nom com.

Posted by power on Saturday, 12/2/2023 @ 22:09pm

Power

Same with Pharell. My guess is they're covered for musicians on the nomcom. It's like what Grohl, Morello, DMC, Questlove, little Steven, Lenny Kaye, Linda perry, and Paul Schaefer. That's 8 people who are linked to a lot of different eras and genres of music who have also covered a variety of roles. I think they should add another woman artist who is also more of a star (maybe Miley Cyrus or st. Vincent) but generally I think they're well covered.

Honestly think the nomcom needs more international voices like a Brit, Aussie, or Canadian

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 12/2/2023 @ 22:46pm

Power,

Yes I agree. After the forum was flooded with "leak" nonsense from that guest guy and Ritchie feeding into it I left the site for months, but also it wasn't really interesting anyway in the sitting duck period between inductee reveal and lead up to ceremony. Between ceremony and nom announcement is the best time for speculation so I return for this time

Posted by Will m on Saturday, 12/2/2023 @ 23:37pm

Mat r,

I gotta say from your comments you've seriously taught me so much about Guess Who history that I never knew so I seriously gotta thank you for that dawg.and I definitely see your points now. I actually don't think a Guess Who/BTO nom is impossible, because when Rolling Stone recently published the top 100 Canadians artists list, they mentioned BTO in the entry for the guess who, something along the lines of "the equally awesome BTO are included within this spot"

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 12/2/2023 @ 23:42pm

If we're talking about overlooked 60s into 70s, I think we have to include Jethro Tull. Does anyone think they have a shot anytime soon to go in the nominated way? They are very similar in trajectory to the Guess Who in both time and influence.

I know Mat was leading in a different direction, but we have legitimate questions, since the Spinners went in and the Hall seems to be trying to include 50s and 60s legitimate acts as ME or EI now...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 12/3/2023 @ 04:15am

K dawg,

I love Tull! Idk if Ian's recent releases under the name and accompanying tours would help bring visibility, but Tull and Crimson are the only major important prog bands still on the outs. ELP I don't think would ever get in because of how often they're pointed to as the pinnacle of excess in rock music. Meanwhile Tull and Crimson are still commonly acclaimed. I do think KC would have the edge over Tull. In the court is one of the most acclaimed albums ever, and there's a documentary on the band that just came out. But I'd love both.

Another thought: from like 2010-2019 there was definitely a prog lane but we haven't seen since
Genesis 2010
Rush 2013
Gabriel 2014
Purple 2016 (technically but they verged on prog)
Yes 2017
Moodies 2018
Roxy Music 2019

Since 2020 we've not had a prog band inducted

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 12/3/2023 @ 07:12am

Will m

Here's a thought on prog: after the moody blues Kate Bush became the prog project. Like I know people think of her as a pop figure or alternative person but a lot people will know her as David Gilmour's protege who was working with Peter Gabriel and various prog figures for much of her career and aside from her there was no real prog acts on the ballot from 2018 to now.

Also with regards to ELP, tull, and crimson I wanna throw a pair of wrenches in that: one is supertramp, a band with so many goddamn songs, and the other is meat loaf, he's an oddity whose probably better fits prog than any other genre. I feel like those two acts are also in that prog talk and if meat loaf is in it him might be the #1 prog contender

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 12/3/2023 @ 14:24pm

mat r, will m

In a lot of ways, Kate is prog. She's often categorized as progressive rock or progressive pop (depending on a specific album) while, for the most part, categorized as art rock, art pop, alternative.

As for The Moody Blues, they're what critics would label as "proto-prog".

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 12/3/2023 @ 15:01pm

Mat r, Elle Dee,

Yea Kate Bush is prog, idk how I failed to consider that just now actually. Supertramp I forget are a prog band I'm Ngl. I've only heard the breakfast in America album, which is amazing, and I think of it more in line with ELO, not really prog but verging. I do gotta get more into them.


Also: sad tear for Canadian music: Myles Goodwin of April wine just passed away

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 12/3/2023 @ 19:23pm

Yes, Roxy Music and Kate Bush can relate to prog, but I do not think nom com thinks Roxy Music, Kate Bush (and even the Moody Blues) are prog acts. ELO is prog rock but I think nom com just treat this band as a classic rock band. Moody Blues is heavily related to prog movement but I think the main reason of the nomination of Moody Blues is just because this band is very big in baby boomer listeners. I think nom com only treats Floyd, Genesis, Rush, Yes as prog inductees.

Posted by power on Sunday, 12/3/2023 @ 20:02pm

2023 nominees class only has 3 baby boomer era nominees (Willie, Spinners and Zevon), we will see if this pattern will continue in 2024. The nom com is now focusing on 80s and 90s.

Posted by power on Sunday, 12/3/2023 @ 20:06pm

Power

Sure there were only 3 but 2 got in and the 1980s largely got the crap kicked out of it by the 90s and 00s. heck George Michael had 1 album in the 80s and Kate Bush had important works across several decades, so 80s artists were kind of shut out.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 12/3/2023 @ 20:52pm

Thin Lizzy and Warren Zevon are both "one-hit wonders" to most casual listeners, so why everyone thinks Zevon has good chance for induction but Lizzy not? Only because Zevon is more connected with industry people but Lizzy is not. I do not think Werewolf of London has better influence than The Boys Are Back in Town.

I feel Lizzy will have a better chance with less heavy music acts competition. Voters like Dire Straits, Bob Dylan, Rage Against the Machine, Rush, Journey, Todd Rundgren, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Guns N' Roses, Bon Jovi, the Who, Def Leppard, Led Zeppelin, Foo Fighters, Deep Purple, Judas Priest, U2, the Cure, Pearl Jam, Kiss will definitely vote for Lizzy. If Lizzy is lucky to be one of the most beloved acts for critics on a weak ballot, this band has good chance to be #6 or #7 to be inducted.

Posted by thinLizzyFan on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 04:07am

thinLizzyFan

i think it's cause of the ballot zevon was on vs tl and the perception tl is under the metal umbrella. boys are back in town 100% is a more influential and iconic song than anything zevon did.

a lot of people (not me cause i got this right and will brag about it) also misread the ballot as a whole this year by ignoring the fact sheryl crow is a rock artist and is the best selling rock artist on that ballot. people were confused by eddie trunk voted crow over zevon when it made perfect sense cause she was the safe bet. i think that's factored into the bullishness on zevon

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 09:34am

Mat R,

yes, what you say is right. Actually now I think Crow is a bigger rock star and more famous singer songwriter than Zevon. They are in similar styles but Crow definitely is more competitive and influential than Zevon. So it is likely that many voters who want to vote for a traditional rock act (The style of Crow is more traditional compared with alt rock acts) or singer-songwriter all vote for Crow over Zevon.

Also, looking at baby boomer candidates, the Spinners and Willie Nelson are also way more popular than Zevon and Zevon may be overshadowed by them.

I'm now a little skeptical if that zevon is even really close to the finish line (finished no.8 or no.9 in final voting) as the statement of John Sykes is somewhat obscure.

Many situations were not taken into account when forecasting, but when reviewing, we will find some factors that were not taken into account before.

Posted by power on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 10:02am

I'm Ngl, pre 2023 noms, I thought Sheryl Crow was fully 100% country music. I also knew none of her songs

Posted by Will M on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 10:44am

My predictions for the 2024 nominees are (Updated):

Return on the ballot:

Dionne Warwick (3rd nomination, nominated in 2021, 2022)
Iron Maiden (3rd nomination, nominated in 2021, 2023)
A Tribe Called Quest (3rd nomination, nominated in 2022, 2023)
Jane's Addiction (2nd nomination, nominated in 2017)
Mary J. Blige (2nd nomination, nominated in 2021)
Joy Division/New Order (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
Warren Zevon (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
The White Stripes (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)
Cyndi Lauper (2nd nomination, nominated in 2023)

First on the ballot:

Alanis Morissette
Bjork
Lenny Kravitz
OutKast
Kool & The Gang

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 11:16am

Power,

It's mostly due to the eligibility date rule that the Hall is focusing on more 80's & 90's rather than 60's & 70's. It's pretty much been like that since 2019 & the committee needs more diversity & inclusiveness. If the Hall wants to have memorable/star studded ceremonies then it's a very logical idea, plus most of the acts from earlier decades are now in obituaries while others are nostalgic touring tribute/cover acts performing at county fairs & small venues so the inductions of artists from those times are slowly but surely coming to a complete stop. With said, expect next year to be more interesting with the selection.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 16:25pm

Will M,

What are your updated predictions for the 2024 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 17:32pm

I do not predict them but I will not be surprised if they appear on the ballot: the Smiths, the Replacements, Ice-T, A Tribe Called Quest, Warren Zevon, Phil Collins, Oasis, Eric B & Rakim, Cher, Diana Ross, War, the Meters, Sting, Patti Labelle, Jane's Addiction, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy,Melissa Etheridge, Bjork

Posted by power on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 21:55pm

I will likely not change my prediction if nothing happens.

Dionne Warwick (21 22)
Dave Matthews Band (20)
Joy Division/New Order (23)
Soundgarden (20 23)
Cyndi Lauper (23)
John Prine (19)
Iron Maiden (21 23)
the White Stripes (23)
Devo (19 21 22)

Salt N Pepa
Outkast
Alanis Morrisette
Mariah Carey
Kool & The Gang
Tracy Chapman

Posted by power on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 22:02pm

Power,

You forgot one other major contender that you don't have on your predictions list for the 2024 nominees but that you wouldn't be surprised to see them appear on the ballot this year and that is Mary J. Blige.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 22:22pm

richie,

you are right.

Posted by power on Monday, 12/4/2023 @ 22:37pm

RIP Denny Laine :(((

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 12/5/2023 @ 10:46am

Morbid q time

Which rock star that we've lost in 2023 do you think is most likely to end up on the ballot?

Some names of note

Jimmy Buffett
Gordon Lightfoot
Floyd Sneed (with Three Dog Night)
Sinead O'Connor
Shane MacGowan (with The Pouges)
Tony Bennett
Andy rouke (with The Smiths)
Robbie and Tom Bachman (with BTO)
Gangsta Boo (with Three 6 Mafia)

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 12/5/2023 @ 10:56am

mat r,

Buffet definitly, i personally mourned the bachmans passing but they didnt get so much mourning from the general public. Buffets death was massive news, everyone i knew was talking about it. that warrants some attention for why he wasnt in the hall in the first place. plus, he had an extended spotloight in the memorium, so did Sinead.

you forgot to mention geordie walker w killing joke btw

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 12/5/2023 @ 11:00am

also makes me think, Paul made a big push for ringos 2015 AME, would he push for a Wings honor this year?

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 12/5/2023 @ 11:28am

Will m

I've talked about wings before and my opinion hasn't really changed. I think McCartney is pushing to get wings in or on the ballot with himself as a member. I think he wants that triple induction

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 12/5/2023 @ 13:44pm

My predictions for the 2024 Rock n Roll Hall nominees after careful consideration
Coldplay
50 Cent
Kool & The Gang
Alanis Morissette
Diana Ross
OutKast
Peter Frampton
B 52's
Joy Division/New Order
White Stripes
Warren Zevon
Cyndi Lauper
Iron Maiden
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
Dave Matthews Band
Jane's Addiction
Dionne Warwick

Here are the acts that I considered but did not make the final 18
Sting
Bad Company/Free
Billy Idol
Smashing Pumpkins
Devo
Foreigner
A Tribe Called Quest
Jimmy Buffet
Beck
Mary J Blige
John Mayer
Björk
WAR
Daft Punk
Mere Haggard
Waylon Jennings
Salt n Pepa
Queen Latifah
Muse
Sonic Youth
Eric B. & Rakim

Posted by Alec on Tuesday, 12/5/2023 @ 14:57pm

Denny Lane dies just in time for Band on the Run to turn 50. Paul is the only living member of Wings' core trio now. Denny himself said Wings didn't deserve induction, but his work with the Moody Blues put him in the hall. He's the first death of the 2024 season.

Well, RIP. Here's the new recount of living and dead members in each class.

Living members of classes where less then half of the inductees are still alive:

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 5/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 11/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 13/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 19/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2012: 26/70 (Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members of each class where more than half of the inductees are alive:

1998: 17/30 (Glenn Frey, Randy Meisner, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Christine McVie, Gene Vincint, Lloyd Price, Denny Doherty, Mama Cass Elliot, John Phillips, David Brown, Allan Toussaint, and Jelly Roll Morton)
2001: 14/26 (Johnnie Johnson, Jake Carey, Zeke Carey, Johnny Carter, Sollie McElroy, Nate Nelson, Paul Wilson, Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Richie Valens, Solomon Burke, and Walter Becker)
2003: 16/24 (Benny Benjamin, Floyd Cramer, Steve Douglas, Bon Scott, Malcom Young, Joe Strummer, Bobby Hatfield, and Mo Ostin)
2005: 11/17 (William Powell, Percy Sledge, Pete Farndon, James Honeyman-Scott, Frank Barsalona, and Seymour Stein.)
2006: 17/28 (Miles Davis, Sid Vicious, everyone from Lynyrd Skynyrd other than Artimus Pyle, and Jerry Moss)
2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2009: 14/21 (Bill Black, DJ Fontana, Bobby Womack, Jeff Beck, Tracy Lord, Cliff Burton, and Jason "Jam-Master Jay" Mizell)
2010: 21/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Cynthia Weil, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 17/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Denny Lane Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 14/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Tina Turner, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton, and Clarence Avant)
2022: 24/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, Harry Belafonte, and Elizabeth Cotten)
2023: 14/21 (George Michael, Billy Henderson, Pervis Jackson, Bobbie Smith, Philippe Wynne, Don Cornelius, and Link Wray.)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 12/5/2023 @ 19:38pm

Thanks for the analysis!

Posted by Jason Voigt on Tuesday, 12/5/2023 @ 23:50pm

Big Star is an influential act, but I can not see a clear path for this band. The only likely scenario is that this band is inducted in musical influence after the induction of many alternative and indie acts directly and indirectly influenced by big star. It could happen after 2035. This band is true poineer of American alternative music. This band deserves to be included.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 04:16am

LOVE is another influential 60s band that I feel is snubbed, but the window for this band has probably been closed. Compared with some other 60s inductees like the rascals, the lovin spoonful, this legacy of LOVE is comparable.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 04:34am

https://www.facebook.com/100063628465185/videos/666103699021096

Tom Morello wants Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy, Sinead O Connor to be inducted.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 11:14am

power

Sinead has been on my prediction list since her sad passing. The huge love she received at the rock hall induction ceremony during the in memoriam segment should convince the nom com to take notice. I'm sure Morello will work hard behind the scenes to convince the nom com to nominate Sinead next year.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 11:50am

Thin Lizzy - I feel there's a good chance this year at a second nomination. There's a lot happening in classic rock so I'm not predicting it but can see it happening

Maiden - feel we'll see a third nomination

Motorhead - they feel destined for musical influence

Sinead - Don't see it this year especially with buffet, Lightfoot, ect but also most of the "lanes" she's in are very crowded and I think Tracey chapman is the most likely person to get a nomination from those lanes this year

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 13:15pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees/inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Which acts that you don't have on your predictions list for the 2024 nominees but that you wouldn't be surprised to see them get nominated this year as well?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 14:07pm

There is a new upcoming documentary on Luther Vandross called Luther: Never Too Much from Dawn Porter that is premiering at the 2024 Sundance Film Festival next month, Now, Do you guys think that upcoming documentary about Luther Vandross (and we all know that the Rock Hall loves their documentaries) will help him finally get nominated for the Rock Hall for the 2024 class?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 14:43pm

Alanis Morisette is iconic because she has arguably one of the best albums of all time, but if you consider her career and body of work in its whole, is she still deserving? That's my reservation about jumping to include her in my predictions. Especially now that she has publicly criticized them, they won't be rushing to justify a case for her.

Posted by Ralib on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 15:12pm

I've predicted Luther in years past, but I don't think he'll get in this year. They seem to be on a roll to get the 70s funk guys in. Luther is the premiere 80s R&B guy, so he's on the spectrum, but I think not yet

Alanis Morrissette is growing on me as a potential inductee. She satisfies the more mainstream rock chick aesthetic, but the thing standing in her way is many will think "Jagged Little Pill" is all she did when she really has a diverse catalog

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 15:57pm

Considering Alanis is pretty much a one album wonder, makes me think how many others are like that in the HOF, Sex Pistols are the only ones that come to mind. Boston aren't in but Jeff Buckley would be an interesting case

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 16:22pm

will m,

There is precedent for that, however. Look at Stevie Nicks...

And to be fair, Alanis had a successful album in 1998, as well, although admittedly, it was more of a soft rock effort and didn't have the influence of "You Oughta Know"

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 16:41pm

Guys Alanis Morissette is not a one album wonder, she had three #1 albums that each went platinum. What she is is someone with one album that towers over everything else, kinda like Carol king. She's got a mount Everest and then she's got a pair of easy black diamond ski hills.

I don't think she'll be nominated this or next year.

Regarding Luther I don't see him being nominated for a few years.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 17:08pm

Will M,

I believe Jeff Buckley's situation will be like that of Janis Joplin, in the sense that his induction will be due to the influential nature and artistic potential showcased in his single album before his untimely death. This differs from a living artist who, despite releasing multiple albums, has not maintained consistent quality in their work.

Posted by Ralib on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 19:17pm

Talking about Alanis, based on statement from Alan Light in Shrek's podcast, it seems that she and Sheyrl were the final 2 for female rock spot in 2023 nom com meeting but the nom com decides to choose Sheyrl in the end. I remember Alan Light mentioned how big Jagged Little Pill was. I will not be surprised if Alanis is discussed and nominated in 2024, I do not think it is impossible. The fued with rock hall does not hinder the possible nomination and induction, see Gene Simmons and Steve Miller. Also. one album wonder does not veto the induction, see the Go-go's.

Tracy Chapman and Alanis can be nominated together as they are not in totally same category.

Talking about Luther Vandross, if you put him as pop spot, he does not have the same popularity as George Michael and Lionel Richie. If you treat him as RnB act, he seems to be in behind of other more elder rnb acts. However, I will not totally write him off. Luther is an interesting case and his status seems to be increasing as time goes on. One album of Luther was added in new RS 500 albums list whereas Barry White and WAR were deleted. Luther was always relevant but not super popular, almost all his albums went platinium but none of his albums was super popular compared with other huge selling albums.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 19:23pm

Ralib,

I remember nom com member Alan Light said he did not think Jeff Buckley is RRHOF worthy although he wrote a book for Jeff Buckley if my memory serves me well. He may have a better chance after 2030? Most elder people in the nom com may not recognize the importance of Jeff Buckley.

Janis Joplin is way more influential than Jeff Buckley.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 19:26pm

Talking about Alanis, I do not think she is a sure thing like Sheyrl if nominated. Alanis has a way more influential album than anything Sheyrl did but I do not think voters will be in favor of Alanis as much as Sheyrl did.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 19:40pm

k-dawg

Alanis is in the same situation as Cyndi Lauper. Much like how people view "She's So Unusual" as the only work that defined Cyndi's music career, there will be people who will unfortunately view "Jagged Little Pill" as Alanis' only major contribution to music and the only defining work in her discography. To call Alanis and Cyndi 'one album wonders' is both silly and disingenuous because they both released great albums. If The Sex Pistols can get in because they released only one album that defined British punk music, then Alanis and Cyndi should get in.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 19:47pm

Power

Soft agree on the Alanis vs Sheryl comparison. Jagged Little Pill, while a massive landmark, has a lot one can criticise and the follow up albums kind of lack depth and venture into "eat pray Love" territory with generic adult rock and there's not much to remember from those albums (thank you I guess)

Sheryl on the other hand, Tuesday Night Music club was massive (it didn't do jagged Little Pill numbers but 7xPlatinum is crazy even by 90s rock standards) but her follow up and the globe sessions are better albums and she was having memorable hits like picture and Soak up the sun almost a decade into her career.

Alanis could easily get in first ballot but I could also see her ending up like Soundgarden, another act with one album that towers over everything else, and needed multiple nominations.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 20:50pm

I think that's a big reason why I'm soft on Alanis and Sinead for next year. Soundgarden are the only 90s act where one album kind of defines the act that has been nominated so far and they haven't gotten in.

Think about it

Every 90s inductee or nominee has had multiple classic albums. Like beck has odelay, mellow gold, sea change and Mary J has what's the 411, my life, and no more drama. Like Soundgarden's badmotorfinger is loved but it's more of a genre classic than a mainstream one.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 21:09pm

Mat R,

Do not forget about Rage. Rage is the most representative act in alt-metal genre (which is not a mainstream genre) and is crucial in developing rap metal genre. Rage is not a "mainstream" band and only has one influential album (the follow-up albums are good but are not that influential). Rage needs five times to be included.

Talking about 80s/90s/00s non-classic-rock rock acts, if you have mainstream hits (mainly billboard top-10 hits), you are shoe-in. Otherwise, you will have multiple tries to have a better luck.

U2, REM, Green Day, Pearl Jam, Sheryl Crow, Nirvana, Duran Duran all of them have at least one billboard top-10 hit, and they are all shoe-in. RHCP is the lone exception and it is strange they failed in 2010.

Eurythmics, The Cure and Depeche Mode are unlucky, they faced huge classic rock competition in their early tries, if their first nomination came after 2018, they would all be FYN. They all have billboard top-10 hit.

If you do not have billboard top-10 hit, even if you sold many albums, you will not be FYN. Even Radiohead got lost in 2018 ballot filled with classic rock acts. Radiohead has no top-10 hit. NIN, The White Stripes, Soundgarden, Rage are all big album sellers but they all failed in first try, they have no top-10 hit.

Beck is the typical potential HOFer. He has mainstram hit (Loser is billboard top 10 hit), is beloved by critics, has connection, but it seems that he finished poorly in 2022 and will need at least 2-3 more nominations to be included. I do not know why.

If you have crossover billboard top-10 hit, you chance will be 100x higher. Alanis has crossover hits so I believe her chance will definitely be better than Soundgarden.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 21:32pm

In 2014 Rolling Stone released an article titled "20 Artists Eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Next. In 2016 they did the same but it was 15 artists. In total there were 23 acts mentioned. Since then 13 (half) of them have been nominated or inducted, at least one of them has been inducted or nominated each year except 2018.


The Notorious B.I.G. (Inducted in 2020)
Sheryl Crow (Inducted in 2023)
Green Day (Inducted in 2015)
2Pac (Inducted in 2017)
Pearl Jam (Inducted in 2017 )
Rage Against the Machine (Inducted in 2023)
Radiohead (Inducted in 2019 )
Foo Fighters (Inducted in 2021)
Eminem (Inducted in 2022)
Dr. Dre (Inducted with N.W.A in 2016)
Dave Matthews Band (Nominated in 2020)
Mary J. Blige (Nominated in 2021)
Beck (Nominated in 2022)

————————STILL HAVEN'T BEEN NOMINATED—————————————————-

Outkast
Weezer
Blur
Smashing Pumpkins
Mariah Carey
Wu-Tang Clan
Hole
Jeff Buckley
Oasis
Sleater Kinney

Posted by Ralib on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 21:36pm

mat r

The way I see it:

Sinead (Kate Bush - alternative music lane)

Cyndi (George Michael - pop music lane)

OutKast (Missy Elliott - hip-hop lane)

Tracy Chapman (Sheryl Crow - singer/songwriter lane)

Kool & the Gang (The Spinners - r&b lane)

Soundgarden (RATM - rock lane)

John Prine (Willie Nelson - country, in Prine's case - folk, lane)

If there's a bunch of things I've learned thus far about this year's rock hall class is that there's a some level of unpredictability and a great level of diversity that I think will continue going forward.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 21:40pm

Power

Rage is pretty mainstream despite being in a niche genre. The debut and battle for los Angeles were both on the rs500 over the years, killing in the name of was a UK Christmas #1, they're a band that can easily headline any festival despite not doing anything in 23 years. It's a weird case cause they never had a top 40 us single but their 3 main studio albums all went multi platinum.

I'd say all 3 original studio albums are extremely well regarded. And even with that rage took 5 nominations.

And just to add here. There's a band you forgot that really throws a massive wrench in the mix because they had a diamond album, a top 10 hit, critical acclaim, massive amounts of influence but still needed 3 nominations: the Beastie boys. You can argue it was the rap bias but at the time run DMC got in fye and public enemy would a few years later.

Alanis I feel like she's somewhere in the middle of that Soundgarden to Sheryl praxis.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 22:08pm

Speaking of 90s

Here's an act I can see nabbing JD/NO's spot next year as the electronic act: Daft Punk

Think about it, NIN, Depeche mode, and Kraftwerk are now in as are Nile Rodgers, Abba, Donna Summer, Janet, and Madonna. That's plenty of foundation for the robots and they are likely better known by voters and have friends at the hall.

They'd also be the first French inductees and any kind of reunion would rival Outkast in terms of press profile.

How we feel about them? Don't see them mentioned much

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 22:56pm

And to add to the daft punk - Kool herc, grandmaster flash (with the furious five) , and Brian Eno (with Roxy music) are also in.

Essentially the lone major electronic/dance pioneers blocking daft punk are new order (with joy division) and Giorgio Moroder but the hall has never been afraid to skip.

So what y'all think?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 23:06pm

The non classic rock acts of the 80's, 90's & aughts would appear on future ballots more than any 70's corporate rock bands since the times are changing very drastically. As far as lanes go, here's who I think would be a pattern of recent class.

Kate Bush - Joy Division/New Order

Sheryl Crow - Alanis Morrissette

Missy Elliott - OutKast

George Michael - Cyndi Lauper

Willie Nelson - N/A

RATM - Soundgarden or Smashing Pumpkins

The Spinners - Diana Ross

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 12/6/2023 @ 23:08pm

Mat R,

Giorgio Moroder may be inducted as musical excellence in the future as the foundational act for euro-dance and disco.

Another electronic act I want to mention is Pet Shop Boys, this duo although is not huge album seller in US, this duo has multiple us top 10 hit song, and this duo is connected with past inductees like Bowie, Elton John, Madoona and Dusty Springfield.

As for Daft Punk, this duo could make a surprising appearance on the ballot. I do not think Daft Punk and JD/NO are in the totally same category. From the view of rock hall, JD/NO may also be nominated as post-punk/alternative act just like Depeche Mode/the Cure/the Smiths/the Replacements. DP may be more in line with Kraftwerk.

Two artists I love are Sparks and YMO, they both make huge influence on a ton of electronic artists, but I do not see they will ever be considered. Maybe they can be inducted in Electronic music hall of fame if this HOF is established.

Posted by power on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 01:28am

Gary Numan, Human League all have top hits in US, but they are not in high priority I think.

Posted by power on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 01:29am

I have a question to ask you all.

Rush and Iron Maiden are similar, they are both huge arena tour act in US and sold many albums, but both are lack with billboard top crossover hits. So why rush was inducted in first try while maiden probably performed badly. They are both heavy music act and honestly I do not think Maiden is much heavier than Rush.

Thank you all.

Posted by thinLizzyFan on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 02:39am

Power

Yea that's what I'm saying no one who came before them with the exception really of JD/NO (who yes are new wave but are also electronic innovators) is really a high priority artist. Anyone who you'd say "can't induct daft punk before them" is really in from Kraftwerk and Grandmaster Flash to Madonna and NIN. Are they too modern?

Think Lizzy fan

Rush is bigger, peartt is regarded as a drum god, critics are nerds and nerds love rush, and they're friendly to people embracing them (Lee's biggest hit was with the SCTC characters Bob and Doug McKenzie and there is an entire episode of Trailer Park Boys about kidnapping Lifespan).

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 07:25am

Mat R,

Beastie Boys had a problem where voters may have been more conservative at that time. They may think that Beastie Boys is popular only because they are a white group, and their contributions cannot be compared to black groups such as Run DMC and Public Enemy. They believe that Beastie Boys is very opportunistic. If my memory serves me well, Dave Marsh strongly supported run dmc but strongly opposed beastie boys, and there must be many people like him.

Beastie Boys may be a rare case. However, generally speaking, I think the billboard top 10 hits are still good criterion for judging potential FYN or shoe-in.

Posted by power on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 07:52am

YMO and other non anglo artists are interesting to talk about, i think the hall even forgot to mention ryuichi in the memorium. Kraftwerk and Fela were able to sneak on nominations because of famous anglo people constatly acclaiming them like, Bowie, Macca, Stevie Wonder, Eno, Talking Heads, Ginger Baker, Peter Gabriel, etc. Sakamoto worked with Bowie and Byrne. Theres plenty more non anglo artists who will be slept on cause of language barriers.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 07:52am

because of that language bias, much less famous groups like Can and Neu will likely never get a mention.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 07:55am

https://futurerocklegends.com/Nominating_Committee/

Linda Perry has already exited from the nom com.

Posted by power on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 07:55am

Will M,

Can is very very influential in the development of punk/new wave/alternative/indie music. Even Kanye sampled Can. But if the hall needs to use early influence category to induct Kraftwerk, who is more influential and way more popular and famous, I do not think Can will ever be inducted.

YMO is very influential and many HOFers love the work of YMO like Eric Clapton, Quincy Jones, MJ, Todd Rundren...

Posted by power on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 08:09am

Was thinking about that conversation some of us had a while ago about possible candidates for musical excellence and Danny Elfman-type people, and I thought of someone that could fit in both of those categories: Brian Setzer. Between Stray Cats, the eponymous Orchestra, and his solo work, there could be enough to work with if combined together, seeing as how none of the 3 have ballot potential.

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 08:28am

I have a question to ask you all.

Rush and Iron Maiden are similar, they are both huge arena tour act in US and sold many albums, but both are lack with billboard top crossover hits. So why rush was inducted in first try while maiden probably performed badly. They are both heavy music act and honestly I do not think Maiden is much heavier than Rush.

Thank you all.

Posted by thinLizzyFan on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 08:37am

Sorry, there are some bugs, please ignore my repeated messages.

Posted by thinLizzyFan on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 08:38am

raichu,

ehhh, idk about setzer. Rockabilly revival isnt the most signifigant trend i dont think, and i feel a strays induction would work better, fairly certain thats a more well known name than just brian. He reminds me of George Thorogood, great guy great musican but not relly signifigant enough for induction

Posted by will m on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 08:41am

I'm not sure about Daft Punk just yet. It feels a little early for them and I think voters would look at them the same way they looked at White Stripes as being not quite ready yet. They definitely belong though and will get inducted in the near-ish future. I just don't see it happening this year.

As for Rush and Iron Maiden, I actually think that their hyper-devoted fan bases work against them. For some reason, the Hall often seems to delay the nominations of bands or artists with fervent fans (Rush and KISS took forever to get noms, Jimmy Buffett and Phish are still waiting) and those that do get nominated don't always get right in (KISS, DMB, Maiden). Outside of the Grateful Dead, I can't think of an act with crazy-dedicated fans just sailing in.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 08:55am

power

regarding beastie boys, whiteness played a role (oh look white boys rapping) but they're incredibly well regarded in rap and alternative circles. like chuck d (you know of public enemy) is on the record as saying paul's boutique had the best beats of the 1980s and that the beastie boys were ahead of everyone when it came to sampling, hip hop dx described them as the greatest group in the history of the genre, b.e.t, spin, and pitchfork have championed them as a vital part of rap and alternative history. there's a clip in the movie pop star where 50, sean combs, and nas gush about a ficitonal rap group and to film it they asked each of them to actually talk about the beastie boys.

i'd agrue conservatism played apart but because the hall is weird about genre blending post-rap as seen with them, rhcp, rage, beck, and nine inch nails. hopefully outkast break the trend.

going to setzer, that would be weird. he has like one good album but two bands that got massive and were influential on culture at large. i imagine david johansen will kinda set the tone for him.

going to the anglo thing, yea i mean even los lobos who did a lot in english are american couldn't get over that hurdle. is kraftwerk the lone non-anglo act in? fela, can, bjork, serge, selina, loads of spanish-speaking artists have strong cases. my guess daft punk and bjork probably the most likely to succeed on a ballot but they gotta on that soon. like daddy yankee is eligible and just retired yesterday (no joke) they gotta get on this shit.

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 09:36am

My final predictions for the 2024 nominees are:

Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey
Dave Matthews Band
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
MC5
OutKast
Smashing Pumpkins
Soundgarden
Dionne Warwick
The White Stripes

The Class:

Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey
Cyndi Lauper
OutKast
Dionne Warwick
The White Stripes

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 11:25am

Final prediction? I know better Richie. And honestly, no one should be posting final predictions yet

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 16:33pm

Guys big news my attempts to get my city to name something within it after a noted and local rock hall snub has made it passed council committee and is now before the planning department for an evaluation meaning it's halfway done.

Fingers crossed the wind doesn't turn the other way.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 17:26pm

Mat r,

I'm gonna guess one of the guys from Triumph? Lol jk. But seriously is it Fred Turner? That's my best guess

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 20:41pm

Will m

Don't wanna jinx it so not naming names but I will say ;) it is nice to see Edmonton finally catch Fire, next game is against the Wild.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 12/7/2023 @ 23:04pm

Power, Mat R, Raichu and others,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2033) (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/8/2023 @ 17:13pm

Richie I don't have any. Asking for 10 years worth of inductee predictions is too big of an ask for me.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 12/8/2023 @ 17:21pm

I will play Richie's game

2024: Outkast, Dionne Warwick, Dave Matthews Band, Tracey Chapman, Britney Spears, Bryan Adams, Cyndi Lauper

2025: Snoop Dogg, White Stripes, Coldplay, Alanis Morissette, Mariah Carey, Barry White, Peter Frampton

2026: Alicia Keys, Beck, Weezer, Jimmy Buffett, Diana Ross, Suzi Quatro, Wings (Paul McCartney gets the Eric Clapton club)

2027: Wu-Tang Clan, Foreigner, Warren Zevon, Pink, Oasis, Dixie Chicks, The Bangles

2028: Beyonce, Destiny's Child (Beyonce gets the Steven Stills club), The Guess Who, Ozzy Osbourne, Soundgarden, Nas, John Mayer

2029: 50 Cent, Pixies, Blink 182, Roberta Flack, "Weird" Al Yankovic, Tears for Fears, Melissa Etheridge

2030: The Killers, The Strokes, Ed Sheeran, Boys 2 Men, Iron Maiden, Sarah McLachlan, Lol Wayne

2031: Taylor Swift, Ice-T/Body Count, Jane's Addiction, Black Flag, Meat Loaf, No Doubt, Brandi Carlile

2032: Kool and the Gang, Rihanna, Arctic Monkeys, Adele, Queens of the Stone Age, Living Color

2033: Lady Gaga, Lana del Rey, The Black Keys, Motley Crue, Bad Religion, Dr. Dre, Daft Punk

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 12/8/2023 @ 21:04pm

Mat R,

You forgot to add a 7th Performer inductee for 2032, Please add a 7th Performer inductee for that year (2032). Thank You.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/8/2023 @ 21:50pm

richie,

predicting 10-year-inductees is too hard. Lots of things can change including of the legacy/reputation/popularity of certain acts or the taste/component of nominating committee.

Posted by power on Friday, 12/8/2023 @ 21:57pm

richie

luther vandros

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 12/8/2023 @ 22:13pm

Mat R,

Who do you see being an 8th Performer inductee each year from 2024-2033 (If somehow 8 Performer inductees each year from 2024-2033)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 00:18am

https://afro.com/ohio-players-drummer-james-diamond-williams-advocates-for-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction/#:~:text=After%20years%20of%20dedicated%20contributions,and%20Roll%20Hall%20of%20Fame.

Ohio Players drummer James "Diamond" Williams advocates for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction

No one talks about the case of Ohio Players. This group has 2 us top 10 singles, multiple platinum abums, but no one seems to consider the case of this group seriously. People here talked about War, Barry White, Kool & the Gang, but no one thinks Ohio Players are in the same league with these acts and I wonder why.

.

Posted by thinLizzyFan on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 03:45am

Lizzyfan,

Cause Ohio players aren't on that level. What's so great about them? Where the acclaim? What's their significance to musjc history? I've heard nothing. On the commercial front, 2 top ten singles isn't a legendary accomplishment, and I don't know either of them. War, Kool and Gang, Teddy prender grass, vandross, are all more significant and worthy. If Ohio Players are significant enough for induction, are foghat as well?

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 07:51am

My dream ballot

Alice in Chains
Björk
Beck
Daft Punk
Fiona Apple
Kool & The Gang
Joy Division/New Order
Joan Armatrading
Mariah Carey
LaBelle
OutKast
King Crimson
De La Soul
Salt-n-Pepa
Barry White
Soundgarden
Smashing Pumpkins
The Chemical Brothers
Sparks
Big Star
Thin Lizzy
Pixies
B-52's
Peter Tosh
Toots & The Maytals
The White Stripes
The Replacements
Black Flag
Bad Religion
Blink-182

Dream Class

Bad Religion
Bjork
Daft Punk
Fiona Apple
OutKast
Sparks
King Crimson
B-52's

What's your dream ballot/class?

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 09:31am

Mat R,

Who do you see being an 8th Performer inductee each year from 2024-2033 besides OutKast, Dionne Warwick, Dave Matthews Band, Tracy Chapman, Britney Spears, Bryan Adams and Cyndi Lauper in 2024, Snoop Dogg, The White Stripes, Coldplay, Alanis Morissette, Mariah Carey, Barry White and Peter Frampton in 2025, Alicia Keys, Beck, Weezer, Jimmy Buffett, Diana Ross, Suzi Quatro and Wings in 2026, Wu-Tang Clan, Foreigner, Warren Zevon, Pink, Oasis, The Chicks and The Bangles in 2027, Beyonce, Destiny's Child, The Guess Who, Ozzy Osbourne, Soundgarden, Nas and John Mayer in 2028, 50 Cent, Pixies, Blink-182, Roberta Flack, "Weird Al" Yankovic, Tears For Fears and Melissa Etheridge in 2029, The Killers, The Strokes, Ed Sheeran, Boyz II Men, Iron Maiden, Sarah McLachlan and Lil' Wayne in 2030, Taylor Swift, Ice-T/Body Count, Jane's Addiction, Black Flag, Meat Loaf, No Doubt and Brandi Carlile in 2031, Kool & The Gang, Rihanna, Arctic Monkeys, Adele, Queens Of The Stone Age, Living Colour and Luther Vandross in 2032 and Lady Gaga, Lana Del Rey, The Black Keys, Motley Crue, Bad Religion, Dr. Dre and Daft Punk in 2033 (If there are somehow 8 Performer inductees each year from 2024-2033)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 10:08am

It's weird Bad Religion hasn't appeared on a ballot TBH. While they one gold record they enjoyed steady chart success, had massive influence on the punk and indie scenes, were a key player to the warped tour, and again Brett Gurewitz founded Epitaph and Anti. You could probably argue Dead Kennedys or Black Flag are more iconic but on the whole it's hard to argue any other punk band is more important especially with the Epitaph and Anti factor aside from maybe the Misfits or Sonic Youth.

Punks a hard genre to predict with the hall cause like clash, green day, talking heads, Blondie, and Ramones walked in, pistols, stooges, and patti took forever, Devo, mc5, and NY Dolls can't get over the hump, joy division just showed up, and somehow bad brains got nominated.

I dunno it's weird

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 10:24am

Mat R,

Ramones was fye, and it is a little surprising to me now. This band has no hit single, no huge selling albums, and is not connected with elder inductees aside from maybe Phil Spector. Patti Smith has a little bigger popularity, a little less influence, way more better connection (Lenny Kaye was already in nom com at that time) but still needs 5 nominations to be included.

Blondie, Talking Heads, Pretenders, Clash, Green Day all have hit singles I think.

I think Sonic Youth has good chance in remaining punk snubs. This band is beloved by critics, all past alternative inductees and even some traditional past inductees (Iggy, Neil Young and of course Madonna). Also, industry seems to love Sonic Youth as Daydream Nation has been already included in Nat'l Recording Registry.

Posted by power on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 10:51am

Mat R,

Are you going to reply back to me on my comment on Who do you see being an 8th Performer inductee each year from 2024-2033 (If there are somehow 8 Performer inductees each year from 2024-2033)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 12:49pm

2024 RNB HOF nominees (not related with RRHOF):

https://www.soultracks.com/story-2024-nominees-rb-hall

Beyonce-Singer
Elton John-Singer/Songwriter
Bell Biv DeVoe-Group
Usher-Singer
Alicia Keys-Singer
Jackson 5-Group
Xscape-Group
Tony Toni Tone-Group
Gamble & Huff-Songwriters
Jeffery Osborne-Singer
Boyz II Men-Group
The Valentinos-Group
Janet Jackson-Singer
Patti LaBelle-Singer
Jodeci-Group
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony-Group
Bobby Womack-Singer
Al Green-Singer
Chaka Khan-Singer
Jay-Z-Rapper/Producer
John Legend-Singer/Songwriter
So S0 Deff-Record Company
Fillmore Slim-Blues Singer
Berry Gordy-Music Executive/Songwriter
David Porter-Singer/Songwriter/ Producer
Clive Davis-Music Executive
Mary J. Blige-Singer
Mariah Carey-Singer
Charles Wright-Singer
Men At Large-Singer
La Toya Jackson-Singer
Dyana Williams-Co-Founder of Black Music History Month/Radio Personality
Robert Brown-Music & Event Promoter
Alco-Record Company
Jr Walker & The All-Stars-Group
The Isley Brothers-Group
Frankie Beverly-Singer
Mavis Staples-Singer
Freddie Jackson-Singer
Jae The Gospelkidd-Radio Personality

Posted by power on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 12:57pm

Beastie Boys started out as a parody act, like Steel Panther. Obviously they evolved and grew into a legit hip hop act. Think some people gig them a bit, due to that.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 13:03pm

Billy Corgan is hosting a Chicago-oriented New Years special on NBC as well as being on Disney's ABC twice for holiday specials

Is this the time Smashing Pumpkins actually gets nominated? With this and the upcoming stadium tour with Green Day it seems they are past the controversies of the past and are in the realm of favoritism with the industry and along with the hall-worthy career I could really see them taking Soundgarden's spot this year

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/nbc-5-announces-details-on-its-a-very-chicago-new-year-live-nye-special/3295707/

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 17:18pm

Guest,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 17:27pm

Too late for initial predictions but a tad too early for final predictions as things can change in a month, so I'll probably put in final predictions in a month or so.

One thing I will say is I see a very definite nomination for Tracy Chapman this year because like Kate Bush this year everything adds up in her favor

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 18:29pm

Mat R,

Who do you see being an 8th Performer inductee each year in the next 10 years from 2024-2033 besides OutKast, Dionne Warwick, Dave Matthews Band, Tracy Chapman, Britney Spears, Bryan Adams and Cyndi Lauper in 2024, Snoop Dogg, The White Stripes, Coldplay, Alanis Morissette, Mariah Carey, Barry White and Peter Frampton in 2025, Alicia Keys, Beck, Weezer, Jimmy Buffett, Diana Ross, Suzi Quatro and Wings in 2026, Wu-Tang Clan, Foreigner, Warren Zevon, Pink, Oasis, The Chicks and The Bangles in 2027, Beyonce, Destiny's Child, The Guess Who, Ozzy Osbourne, Soundgarden, Nas and John Mayer in 2028, 50 Cent, Pixies, Blink-182, Roberta Flack, "Weird Al" Yankovic, Tears For Fears and Melissa Etheridge in 2029, The Killers, The Strokes, Ed Sheeran, Boyz II Men, Iron Maiden, Sarah McLachlan and Lil' Wayne in 2030, Taylor Swift, Ice-T/Body Count, Jane's Addiction, Black Flag, Meat Loaf, No Doubt and Brandi Carlile in 2031, Kool & The Gang, Rihanna, Arctic Monkeys, Adele, Queens Of The Stone Age, Living Colour and Luther Vandross in 2032 and Lady Gaga, Lana Del Rey, The Black Keys, Motley Crue, Bad Religion, Dr. Dre and Daft Punk in 2033 (If there are somehow 8 Performer inductees each year from 2024-2033)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 19:02pm

Guest

The one thing about Billy Corgan and the controversies is.... they've shifted away from music and into pro wrestling. For example here is a headline from a year ago "Billy Corgan Questions If Women Can Wrestle NWA Style And Carry PPV". There's quite a few headlines like that

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 12/9/2023 @ 22:07pm

Mat R and Raichu,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2033) (If somehow 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 09:28am

Will M,


Re Ohio Players, they were actually pretty important in the "black rock" movement. Along with War and Rufus they were crossing over to AOR stations. In fact, Ohio PLayers sometimes broke first in rock radio before Black (R&B or Soul) radio. There is a good interview with some of them in Record World circa early 1975. Also they played their own instruments and wrote their own songs. They are certiankly more important than say, The Spinners, not that the bar is high for that. They also paid their dues as the Ohio Untouchables doing session work (Falcons) and performing. I am not saying they are a slam dunk but they have a beter case than a fair number of current inductees. just my take.
I enjoy your comments.

Posted by souljah on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 11:33am

Souljah,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 12:00pm

Something I love about this forum is helping me learn more about acts I'd ignored, never knew any of that about Ohio Players! Seems to me in modern era they don't have much of a foothold tho, unlike EWF and snubs Chic and Kool Gang

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 13:36pm

Will M,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 13:57pm

Will M,

I can see the point, Ohio Players may be a fringe candidate. Chic is odd; they really were a vehicle for Nile Rodgers (desrvedly in) and Bernard Edwards (inexplicably not in). Kool & Gang had two careers, first as a jazz/funk outfit, and then after James Taylor (different one) joined became a pop powerhouse. All three have their merits. I would take War over all of them, but then I don't have a vote.

Posted by Souljah on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 17:14pm

Richie,

Lot of good choices, maybe something like this:

Returning:
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
Warren Zevon
Maybe Soundgarden
New:
Mariah Carey
Waylon Jennings (Chicks or Garth could be also)
Kool & Gang
Phil Collins (as deserving as Lionel)
Salt-N-Pepa (surprised not nominated yet)
Wu Tang Clan
Dre/Snoop/Diddy -- One of them anyway
Previous:
Dave Matthews BAnd
Mary J. Blige (Missy's success will help her)
Seventies Band -- War, NY Dolls, Devo, J. Geils

Inductees
Waylon, Cyndi, Mariah, Wu Tang, Salt-N-Pepa JD/NO, the seventies band and Dre/Snoop/Diddy
Eno, Arthur BNaker, Mickey Baker Carole Kay in the ME category


Unfairly ignored for too long:
Fanny/Quatro sisters
Three Dog Night
Too $hort
Bernard Edwards
Connie Francis
John Mayall
Miriam Makeba Chi Lites
and a whole bunch of oothers

Posted by Souljah on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 17:25pm

Souljah,

I really can't see Waylon Jennings ever getting nominated (not saying he doesn't deserve it), but if you do want to throw a Country act in the mix for 2024 (in addition to Garth and The Chicks), I would mention Shania Twain, Her massive record sales and worldwide popularity makes her a very strong contender for both the Rock Hall and the Country Hall, so I see her being more likely to get nominated than Waylon because she had way more crossover success than Waylon.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 17:40pm

Souljah,

I feel Chic was unlucky as previous ballots were often filled with other baby boomer era big rock acts and other competitive rnb acts like Janet, War, Spinners, Chaka Khan... This band was always near induction but never succeed based on the statement by questlove. It is likely Chic was often #7 or #8 in final voting in previous classes. If Chic was nominated in 2023 instead of the Spinners, Chic would probably be voted in as well. Chic is very influential in rap, rnb on pop music nowadays.

What is your thoughts on Barry White and Luther Vandross, these two are last two remaining old school rnb acts with impact and crossover appeals you have not mentioned.

Posted by power on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 20:56pm

souljah,

Also, what is your opinion about chi-lites, you seem to be the first one to mention this group.

Posted by power on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 20:58pm

souljah,

Also, what is your opinion about chi-lites, you seem to be the first one to mention this group.

Posted by power on Sunday, 12/10/2023 @ 21:19pm

An artist with a Diamond album has been inducted every year since 2014. With the exceptions of Adele, Nelly, Linkin Park, Norah Jones, and Taylor Swift, everyone with a Diamond Album is old enough for induction. Here's everyone else not in the Hall with a Diamond album:

Garth Brooks
Shania Twain
Boston
Backstreet Boys
Britney Spears
Patsy Cline
Phil Collins
Creed
Celine Dion
(Dixie) Chicks
Hootie & The Blowfish
Kenny G (LOL)
Kid Rock
MC Hammer
Meat Loaf
NSYNC
REO Speedwagon
Kenney Rogers
Usher
Boyz II Men
Mariah Carey
Evanescence
Lauryn Hill
Jewel
Matchbox Twenty
Nickelback
No Doubt
Outkast
Smashing Pumpkins
TLC

Who is the most likely of these?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 00:55am

Can't believe I forgot Alanis Morrisette. She's also got a Diamond album.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 01:00am

REO are interesting cause they were the very first band that Irving azoff managed. He could push them in like he did Doobies if he felt like I bet

Posted by Will M on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 06:35am

Power,

Regarding the Chi Lites, they didn't have a lot of top 40 hits, but they were influential in that a) they were fairly political on some songs (Give more Power to the People) and b) their vocal arrangements were more than the typical Motown style. Also, Eugene Record wrote their songs, and wrote for others as well (Barbara Acklin, for example). I doubt they get in, especially as the Hall leans more toward hit makers now, but they were an important act in their day, and kind of had a niche to themselves.

Posted by Souljah on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 08:05am

Power,

Chic did have bad timing, and they also suffereds from not being highly successful, with only a handful of hits, one of which (Dance, Dance, Dance) was perceived at the time as kind of a novelty act. In all honesty, their influence is the work of Rodgers and Edwards, who both unquestionably belong. But they are important figures in both the rap and disco worlds, would not be a bad selection. But if they get in, then KC & Sunshine Band deserve a look as well, since they were more successful, do get sampled (not as much as Chic, no doubt) and Casey/Finch were very successful writer/producers for other artists as well. The Hall seems to want to ignore disco. As far as Luther and Barry, love them both, I am very surprised Barry White has not gotten a nomination, he had crossover appeal, wrote and produced, and had a genre unto himself. Luther may get a shot, but the whole "Quiet Storm" theme has been ignored (Freddie Jackson, Luther Vandross, Jeffery Osborne, Frankie Beverly & Maze.) If they take one they will need to figure out which one(s) they take.

All great artists, the Hall is having trouble figuring out what it wants to be. Of course doing stuff like inducting Bernie Taupin as ME when there is a much better category for him indicates that they really aren't paying any attention whatsoever to what they are doing.

Posted by Souljah on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 08:16am

Richie,
Shania Twain would be an acceptable choice, and as the Hall drifts towards being a more populist phenomenon she certainly qualifies. But then so do Pat Boone and Bobby Vinton. Waylon has a lot of support, was specifically named by both Willie Nelson and Bernie Taupin, and would have the Grateful Dead, Eagles, etc. in his corner. He is far more true to the rock&roll spirit than is Shania, but as I said, the Hall is straying from its roots, so maybe it will just be a list of the biggest hitmakers. In which case we can skip the voting and turn the whole thing over to Joel Whitburn :-)

Posted by Souljah on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 08:20am

Regarding country

Why does everyone always go on about Waylon, merle, Loretta, Emmylou, Garth, Shania ect but never George Jones and Tammy Wynette? Like both are insanely regarded with "he stopped loving her today" and "stand by your man" kind of universally seen as the greatest recordings in country music and George is usually listed as the genre's greatest ever artist (even over Johnny Cash).

So like what's the deal? They too country?

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 11:09am

mat r,

maybe as EI, yes theyre both hugely influential but not well known to the masses like dolly and willie, and while the likes of Costello and Henley acclaim them, waylon prine and Kris have morerock crossover

Posted by Will M on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 12:25pm

Will m

George Jones and Tammy are pretty well known. Like there was just a tv show made about them about a year ago with Jessica Chastain.

Also George recorded a ton of rock records under various names

Like it's weird right that people are like "oh Emmylou" but never "oh tammy" despite "stand by your man" being way more popular than anything Emmylou ever recorded

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 13:13pm

Mat R,

Who do you see being an 8th Performer inductee each year in the next 10 years from 2024-2033 besides the ones that you mentioned (OutKast, Dionne Warwick, Dave Matthews Band, Tracy Chapman, Britney Spears, Bryan Adams and Cyndi Lauper in 2024, Snoop Dogg, The White Stripes, Coldplay, Alanis Morissette, Mariah Carey, Barry White and Peter Frampton in 2025, Alicia Keys, Beck, Weezer, Jimmy Buffett, Diana Ross, Suzi Quatro and Wings in 2026, Wu-Tang Clan, Foreigner, Warren Zevon, Pink, Oasis, The Chicks and The Bangles in 2027, Beyonce, Destiny's Child, The Guess Who, Ozzy Osbourne, Soundgarden, Nas and John Mayer in 2028, 50 Cent, Pixies, Blink-182, Roberta Flack, "Weird Al" Yankovic, Tears For Fears and Melissa Etheridge in 2029, The Killers, The Strokes, Ed Sheeran, Boyz II Men, Iron Maiden, Sarah McLachlan and Lil' Wayne in 2030, Taylor Swift, Ice-T/Body Count, Jane's Addiction, Black Flag, Meat Loaf, No Doubt and Brandi Carlile in 2031, Kool & The Gang, Rihanna, Arctic Monkeys, Adele, Queens Of The Stone Age, Living Colour and Luther Vandross in 2032 and Lady Gaga, Lana Del Rey, The Black Keys, Motley Crue, Bad Religion, Dr. Dre and Daft Punk in 2033) (If there are 8 inductees each year in the next 10 years from 2024-2033)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 13:27pm

Hey guys it's me! Forgot to start my 12 Days of Christmas. Welcome to 4.0! Let's celebrate 12 acts not in the Rock Hall! See it as a wishlist of sorts.

Here's Number 1!

1. Coldplay

Band Members: Chris Martin, Jonny Buckland, Guy Berryman, Will Champion

Origin: London, England

Essential Songs:
1. Yellow (2000)
2. Clocks (2003)
3. The Scientist (2003)
4. Viva La Vida (2008)
5. Paradise (2011)

Essential Albums:
1. Parachute (2000)
2. A Rush of Blood to the Head (2003)
3. X&Y (2005)
4. Viva La Vida or Death and All His Friends (2008)
5. Ghost Stories (2014)

Influence: U2, Radiohead, Oasis

The Legacy: OneRepublic, Echosmith, XXXTentacion

Coldplay is a very interesting band. They may have their detractors but there is no denying when the music is good, it's good. Filled with aura they changed the rock scene of 2000s and early 2010s to new heights that the rock genre struggled to uphold at the time. Chris Martin's craft sees the band talk about loneliness, connections with one another, and the meaning of one's self. In a shocker, they weren't nominated this year despite being eligible. With the 2000s looming around, Coldplay has a justified case to get in. As one can say being in the Rock Hall is Paradise.

Coming Up!

These guys may be Satanists….

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 13:51pm

Mat r,

Re George and Tammy, probably perceived as too country, although George Jones was on the rockabilly cusp when he started out. His is one of the voiices on Johnny Preston's "Running Bear". He gets props from some of the older R&B types as well. Tammy has a steeper hill, as "Stand By Your Man" doesn't sit well with everyone. Great country stars, but so are Eddy Arnold, George Strait and any number of others. But I think that Loretta, Waylon et al are more R&R than George and Tammy. And of course Patsy Cline is a very puzzling snub, no idea why she gets no traction.

Posted by Souljah on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 14:23pm

Souljah,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2033) (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 14:46pm

What's your dream ballot & class? Ballot and class size is completely up to you.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12/11/2023 @ 15:43pm

Greg F,

Here's what mine would like. Also I'll add the special guests too.

Ballot:
Bad Brains
Mariah Carey
Daft Punk
Jane's Addiction
Joy Division/New Order
Kool & The Gang
Lenny Kravitz
Queen Latifah
Alanis Morrissette
Motorhead
OutKast
Diana Ross
Smashing Pumpkins
Sonic Youth
The White Stripes

Class:
Mariah Carey
Joy Division/New Order
Alanis Morrissette
OutKast
Diana Ross
The White Stripes

Early (Musical) Influence:
MC5
New York Dolls
John Coltrane

Musical Excellence:
Lee "Scratch" Perry
Devo
Ronnie James Dio

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Tom Wilson

Presenters:
L.A Reid
Trent Reznor
Brian Eno
Beck
Nile Rodgers
Dave Grohl
Iggy Pop
Alice Cooper
Run the Jewels
Tony Iommi

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 12/12/2023 @ 03:30am

Richie,

Ten years with eight each year? Tough call, let me think about it.

Posted by Souljah on Tuesday, 12/12/2023 @ 08:38am

Welcome back to my 12 Days project! Day 2 is under way!

2. Slayer

*=Deceased

Band Members: Kerry King, Dave Lombardo, Jeff Hanneman*, Tom Araya, Paul Bostaph

Origin: Huntington Park, California

Essential Songs:
1. Angel of Death (1986)
2. Raining Blood (1986)
3. South of Heaven (1988)
4. Mandatory Suicide (1988)
5. Seasons In the Abyss (1990)

Essential Albums:
1. Hell Awaits (1985)
2. Reign in Blood (1986)
3. South of Heaven (1988)
4. Seasons In the Abyss (1990)
5. Christ Illusion (2006)

Influence: Black Sabbath, The Stooges, Judas Priest

The Legacy: Pantera, System of a Down, GWAR

If the Rock Hall ever ventured to the more metal acts look no further than Slayer. A heavy metal band that you swore would have all the members be Satanists but no they just kick ass. Whereas acts of Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden reveled in the aesthetic of Hell, Slayer embraced the deep underbelly of it creating a twisted version of Hell unlike no other. Slayer were flag bearers for the American Heavy Metal scene of the 80s and continued until eventually hanging the boots in 2015. Lots of modern metal acts give their souls to the likes of Slayer. Can the Rock Hall do the same or will Krampus have to punish them?

Coming Up!

Would?

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 12/12/2023 @ 10:34am

I'm not entirely sure this is true anymore, but their despite heavy anti-God lyrics, Slayer's singer is actually a Catholic.

They also did an anti-abortion song. (Silent Scream)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 12/12/2023 @ 15:26pm

Beck
Björk
Daft Punk
Dave Matthews Band
Foreigner
INXS
Iron Maiden
New Edition
Peter Frampton
Pixies
Salt-N-Pepa
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
Tracy Chapman
Warren Zevon

Posted by dmg on Tuesday, 12/12/2023 @ 17:07pm

dmg,

Out of your predictions for the 2024 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/12/2023 @ 17:24pm

Random question: Why did the Singles category fail and should it be revived?

Posted by Guest2 on Tuesday, 12/12/2023 @ 18:40pm

guest2,

I think single category is a back door category for Steven Van Zandt to honor his childhood heroes. At that time, we did not have musical excellence and early influence inductees every year to make back door induction.

So this category disappears now.

What is more, the boss of museum, Harris, does not consent the singles category and does honor singles in the actual museum.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 12/12/2023 @ 20:34pm

I'm in favour of bringing singles back but doing it seriously. Make sure no one who is in is eligible for singles (remove "twist and shout" from the category while you're at it) but allow those inducted with a single to be eligible for the hall still.

The idea of singles is a good one and there are artists who are better fits there than in influence (Sugarhill gang, Norman Greenbaum, and the buggles comes to mind).

Also, and this is a controversial idea, the rock hall should work with labels and estates to reissue each single on limited edition Rock Hall vinyl for sale (like 1000 of each). That shit would sell well and do more for the singles than just mentioning them on the website.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 12/12/2023 @ 21:56pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2033) (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/12/2023 @ 22:25pm

I think, rather than a "Singles Category", they should have a program similar to the Library of Congress National Recording Registry where they take a few important recordings per year (albums, singles, whatever) that are in danger of disappearing, and dedicate resources to their preservation - maybe even secure the rights to them if they can. They can either be recordings by inductees or not - it's the recording itself that is the focus.

I would also think it would be more of a museum side activity than an hall of fame thing, but could still be announced at the ceremony.

Posted by dmg on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 09:19am

The Singles category is basically a vanity project for some on the Nom Committee. The idea of recognizing great records by artist unlikely to be inducted sounded great I am sure, but with "Twist & Shout" included it fell apart. And putting "Time Is On My Side" by Irma Thomas makes zero sense. She had great records ("Wish Someone Would Care" is a classic) but "Time" is not one of them. It was a B side and not a particularly good one. And the Stones did not steal it, they gave it several months to be a hit and it failed, which is very generous by the standards of the time.
The other problem with the category is the arbitrary nature. Why "The Twist" but not "American Pie"? Why singles and not great album tracks? I get what they are trying to do, but it has no structure, making it somewhat irrelevant.

Posted by Souljah on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 09:41am

Souljah

I don't know if I would call it a vanity project the first time they did it. All 6 of those singles are great and they likely didn't have the really have the idea to expand early influence yet (I have a hard time imagining that there were not discussions about putting "Autobahn" and "The Revolution Will not be televised" in as singles in 2021). However it evolved negatively fast and did just seem like a circle jerk that no one really cared about by 2020.

There is value to the idea but like dmg and I said they need to do something special with it. (Eg a limited edition vinyl pressing)

God imagine how cool it would be if every record store Day, the rock hall released a 300-1000 7 inch pressings of 3 or 4 classic singles by artists unlikely to get into the hall and that single includes a short essay about the song written by like Tyler the Creator or Jackson Browne or Kim Gordon. That would be awesome and it should be fairly easy for the hall (cause they are partnered with the labels).

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 10:06am

Souljah,

Have you thought about your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2033) (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 10:20am

Richie why are you so interested in seeing predictions for the next ten years? It's impossible to predict inductees without seeing who gets nominated each year.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 11:47am

The singles category was put to sleep when John Skykes took over.

I remember the late Donnie Durham doing a couple of blog posts about his ideas for the category that were very good. Too bad he died (not literally, he just disappeared and figured since the category is dead he'd not continue.)

He said he had 10 songs from the 80's and 5 songs from the 90's as potential, but unfortunatly we never got to know what they are.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 14:00pm

The Buggles' "Video Killed the Radio Star" is a typical suitable choice for single induction.

Talking about INXS and Billy Idol, I feel INXS is more famous and more influential. INXS sold more albums than Billy Idol, had more US top 10 hits, influenced more artists, I feel the possible nomination of INXS will come soon. INXS has 7 top 10 billboard hits, which is even more than U2. Billy Idol is way more marginal than INXS.

Does INXS ever be considered by the rock hall? Although I do not like INXS' music, this band is very influential and deserving,

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 20:46pm

3. Alice In Chains

*=Deceased

Band Members: Jerry Cantrell, Mike Inez, Layne Staley*, Mike Starr*, William Duvall, Sean Kinney

Origin: Seattle, Washington

Essential Songs:
1. Man in the Box (1990)
2. Would? (1992)
3. Rooster (1992)
4. Them Bones (1992)
5. Heaven Besides You (1995)

Essential Albums
1. Facelift (1990)
2. Dirt (1992)
3. Self-Titled (1995)
4. MTV Unplugged (1996)
5. Black Gives Way to Blue (2009)

Influence: Alice Cooper, Heart, Soundgarden

The Legacy: Avenged Sevenfold, Godsmack, Disturbed

Out of the Big Four grunge bands, Alice In Chains tends to get the short end of the stick. They may not have the same acclaimed as the others, but there is no denying the tenacity the band has. Whether you like the Layne Staley era or the William Duvall era, both gave the band a purpose to keep going and rock on. After Soundgarden, you can bet AIC next on the list of big 90s rock snubs.

Coming Up!

Isn't you, Isn't Me
Search for thing that you can't see
Going blind, out of reach
Somewhere in the vasoline

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 21:46pm

3. Alice In Chains

*=Deceased

Band Members: Jerry Cantrell, Mike Inez, Layne Staley*, Mike Starr*, William Duvall, Sean Kinney

Origin: Seattle, Washington

Essential Songs:
1. Man in the Box (1990)
2. Would? (1992)
3. Rooster (1992)
4. Them Bones (1992)
5. Heaven Besides You (1995)

Essential Albums
1. Facelift (1990)
2. Dirt (1992)
3. Self-Titled (1995)
4. MTV Unplugged (1996)
5. Black Gives Way to Blue (2009)

Influence: Alice Cooper, Heart, Soundgarden

The Legacy: Avenged Sevenfold, Godsmack, Disturbed

Out of the Big Four grunge bands, Alice In Chains tends to get the short end of the stick. They may not have the same acclaimed as the others, but there is no denying the tenacity the band has. Whether you like the Layne Staley era or the William Duvall era, both gave the band a purpose to keep going and rock on. After Soundgarden, you can bet AIC next on the list of big 90s rock snubs.

Coming Up!

Isn't you, Isn't Me
Search for thing that you can't see
Going blind, out of reach
Somewhere in the vasoline

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 21:46pm

Watching whacking day. Barry White should be in because of this episode

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 22:09pm

Most old school rnb acts perform good in billboard pop chart but do not sell many albums. However, Teddy Pendergrass is the african-american to release five consecutive platinum albums, he is a big album seller but lacks top 10 crossover pop hits. His success is more similar with some rock artists like Black Sabbath but not rnb acts like the Spinners, Marvin Gaye. His case is hard to judge.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 22:21pm

Mat r,

Barry White is the biggest selling old school rnb snubs. He is more successful than other successful rnb stars like War, the Spinners, the OJays in commercial success.

I feel he and Luther Vandross is slightly more influential than War, the Spinners...

Luther is also very very successful. All his albums from his debut to his death (about 13-14 albums) all went platinum except one, which is very rare. He is popular but not super popular in all his career. I think he should be seriously considered for future induction.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 22:30pm

You guys think any member of the nomcom has ever just been like watching something (like the whacking day episode of the Simpsons) and then gone to the meeting and mentioned an artist they heard or saw on the show or movie they had been watching (in the case of whacking day Barry White)?

That has to have happened right?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/13/2023 @ 23:15pm

Mat R,

I see your point on the Singles category, and yeah at first it was cool. But it went south in a hurry. As for Barry White, as I stated above I am surprised he hasn't gotten nominated. Not only successful as a performer, but was a composer, lyricist (well sort of), producer, and also led the Love Unlimited franchise. Maybe some of the voters couldn't tell him apart from Isaac Hayes. /s
Maybe you are right about committee members watching a show for a reference; they sure don't exhibit much consistency otherwise!

Posted by Souljah on Thursday, 12/14/2023 @ 10:23am

Power, Mat R, Raichu and others,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2033) (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/14/2023 @ 16:50pm

I predict the Rock Hall will be shut down by 2030 due to lack of interest so there's no need to say who will be inducted 10 years from now because by then the Rock Hall won't exist.

Posted by joker on Thursday, 12/14/2023 @ 22:41pm

joker,

why do you say this?

Nevertheless, I somewhat agree with your statement but I think the hall may be closed around maybe 2040, the hall will not miss the chance to honor the current big names like Taylor Swift, Kendrick Lamar...

Posted by power on Thursday, 12/14/2023 @ 22:44pm

I'm back! Here's number 4!

4. Stone Temple Pilots

*=Deceased

Band Members: Eric Kretz, Dean DeLeo, Robert DeLeo, Scott Weiland*

Origin: Los Angeles, California

Essential Songs:
1. Plush (1992)
2. Interstate Love Song (1994)
3. Vasoline (1994)
4. Big Empty (1994)
5. Trippin' on a Hole in a Paper Heart (1996)

Essential Albums:
1. Core (1992)
2. Purple (1994)
3. Tiny Music…from the Vatican Gift Shop (1996)

Influence: Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Cheap Trick

The Legacy: Good Charlotte, Linkin Park, The Killers

Considered the worst and best new band of 1992, STP already had a rough start. While not as innovative as the rest of the grunge acts at the time, they still managed to have presence unlike no other and embraced being rock stars. Scott Weiland was a talented individual that embodied that 90s rock star style and arguably had a voice that evolved well over time. STP we're far the worst and their appreciation has grown over the years for those lingering in nostalgia. Maybe the Rock Hall will think to consider them later on just as people are now.

Coming Up!

Never Tear Us Apart!

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 12/14/2023 @ 23:43pm

I wonder where Michael W is? He usually post after I make 2-3 acts. Hope he ain't dead!

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 12/15/2023 @ 00:12am

Plebeian,

So far so good...AIC and STP back to back? Bold...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 12/15/2023 @ 03:58am

power, joker

The rock hall will never shut down. The rock hall is the Smithsonian museum of influential, important music. It will never go away. Will they stop having televised induction ceremonies eventually? Yes. But other than that, the rock hall and the inductions will keep going like the energizer bunny.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 12/15/2023 @ 05:21am

power, joker

The rock hall will never shut down. The rock hall is basically like the Smithsonian museum, but of influential, important music that impacted culture, generations, etc. It will never go away. Will they stop having televised induction ceremonies eventually? Yes. But other than that, the rock hall and the inductions will keep going like the energizer bunny.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 12/15/2023 @ 05:30am

Power, Mat R, Raichu, Elle Dee, Greg F and others,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees as of right now?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/15/2023 @ 16:35pm

Richie these are my current predictions.

Alanis Morrisette
Cyndi Lauper
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Dionne Warwick
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Kool & The Gang
Mariah Carey
OutKast
Salt-n-Pepa
Shania Twain
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Tracy Chapman
Warren Zevon

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 12/15/2023 @ 21:40pm

My prediction:

Dionne Warwick
Dave Matthews Band
Joy Division/New Order
Soundgarden
Cyndi Lauper
John Prine (Many people underestimate his chance, he got grammy lifetime achivement and songwiters HOF honor, he is well beloved by industry people now, I will not also be surprised if Warren Zevon makes a return)
Iron Maiden
the White Stripes
Devo

Salt N Pepa
Outkast
Alanis Morrisette
Mariah Carey
Kool & The Gang
Tracy Chapman

Posted by power on Friday, 12/15/2023 @ 22:08pm

Five time! Five time! Five time! CAN YOU DIG IT SUCKA?!!!!!!!

5. INXS

*=Deceased

Band Members: Kirk Pengilly, Andrew Farriss, Garry Gary Beers, Michael Hutchence*, Tim Farriss, Jon Farriss

Origin: Sydney, Australia

Essential Songs:
1. New Sensation (1987)
2. Need You Tonight (1987)
3. Never Tear Us Apart (1987)
4. Mystify (1987)
5. Suicide Blonde (1990)

Essential Albums:
1. Kick (1987)
2. X (1990)

Influence: The Doors, The Police, Roxy Music

The Legacy: No Doubt, Matchbox Twenty, The 1975

Australia's answer to U2, INXS saw success in not being New Wave but as themselves. Led by the Fariss brothers and the late Michael Hutchence, INXS created a brand of pop funk and alt rock unlike no other. They may have made one really good album and the rest scattered with so-so hits, but that didn't stop them from being one of the 80s most successful international acts. Are the Rock Hall mystified for INXS?

Coming Up!

A fellow friend of Patti Smith…..

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 12/15/2023 @ 23:33pm

Has anybody seen Cher's recent comments on the Rock Hall? She basically called them out for not inducting her at this point (eligible since 1991). She also apparently wouldn't show up if they inducted her now even if they gave her a million dollars.

Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/cher-slams-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-snub-1235760149/

So if Cher were inducted, would she show up? Some artists have dismissed the honor but still showed up (I recall Def Leppard being like that). To me, this is clearly an example of the Rock Hall needing Cher more than Cher needing the Rock Hall.

Posted by Guest2 on Saturday, 12/16/2023 @ 03:46am

Guest2,

I feel the action of Cher will not hinder the possible consideration/discussion/nomination of Cher, but honestly I do not know if Cher will show up if she is inducted. I do not know if she hates the rock hall or she just says some angry words to save her face as she wants to be inducted but has not recieved the induction yet.

Posted by power on Saturday, 12/16/2023 @ 05:55am

Mat R, Raichu, Elle Dee, Ralib and others,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees as of right now?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/16/2023 @ 12:21pm

6. Television

*= Deceased

Band Members: Billy Ficca, Richard Lloyd, Tom Verlaine*, Richard Hell, Fred Smith

Origin: New York, New York

Essential Songs:
1. Marquee Moon (1977)
2. Venus (1977)
3. Friction (1977)
4. Venus (1977)
5. Prove It (1977)

Essential Albums:
1. Marquee Moon (1977)
2. Adventure (1978)

Influence: The Velvet Underground, David Bowie, New York Dolls

The Legacy: R.E.M., Pavement, The Strokes

Making one of the most landmark debut albums, Television created something special that revolutionized the punk genre. In a way, Marquee Moon was like the Sex Pistols' Never Mind the Bullocks in that it helped shape more of the NY Punk scene in the 70s. You may think that coasting on one album can only get you so far, but Television disproved that with Adventure which was as great as Marquee Moon. The Rock Hall has inducted people for less…..

Coming Up!

Certain flute playing from a Pied Piper of sorts!

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 12/16/2023 @ 23:51pm

Sleighing to number seven!

7. Jethro Tull

*= Deceased

Band Members: Ian Anderson, Clive Bunker, Glenn Cornick*, Martin Barre, John Evan, Jeffrey Hammond, Barriemore Barlow, John Glascock*, Dee Palmer, David Pegg

Origin: Luton, Bedfordshire, England

Essential Songs:
1. Living in the Past (1969)
2. Aqualung (1971)
3. Locomotive Breath (1971)
4. Cross-Eyed Mary (1971)
5. Thick as a Brick (1972)

Essential Albums:
1. Benefit (1970)
2. Aqualung (1971)
3. Thick as a Brick (1972)
4. Ministry in the Gallery (1975)
5. Songs from the Wood (1977)

Influence: Howlin' Wolf, The Moody Blues, Procol Harum

The Legacy: Iron Maiden, Dio, Dream Theater

They made Aqualung man!

Coming Up!

The stand named after the album that was named after the band!

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 12/17/2023 @ 23:45pm

These are the 26 acts that I think are the most likely to appear on the 2024 ballot and they are:

1. Bryan Adams
2. Bjork
3. Mary J. Blige
4. Tracy Chapman
5. Coldplay
6. Dave Matthews Band
7. Snoop Dogg
8. Melissa Etheridge
9. Peter Frampton
10. Ice-T
11. Iron Maiden
12. The J. Geils Band
13. Jane's Addiction
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. Cyndi Lauper
16. The Meters
17. New York Dolls
18. Oasis
19. OutKast
20. Soundgarden
21. Britney Spears
22. A Tribe Called Quest
23. War
24. Dionne Warwick
25. The White Stripes
26. Warren Zevon

14-17 of them will be nominated this year for the 2024 class.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 11:24am

Richie you forgot the fye

50 Cent
Lil Wayne
John Mayer

There's a decent chance one of them pops up

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 12:04pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2033) (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 12:08pm

I forgot The Guess Who, I think that they are among the 27 acts that are the most likely to appear on the 2024 ballot as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 12:56pm

Wayne is 100% getting snubbed for years, he's big but the current Rock Hall committee I can totally see ignoring him completely.

50 is interesting, I'm not fully on board for FYE but he's in the running rn

I completely forgot about Mayer, I think he'll get the Sheryl crow treatment a few years down the line

Posted by Will M on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 15:55pm

Will M,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 16:31pm

If you are well respected by your peers, you will be inducted without doubt. See Tom Waits, who has no US billboard hits, was inducted as FYN. So I think John Prine has decent chance to be nominated next time if nominated. In 2019, he faced competition with other singer-songwriters like Todd Rundgren, Stevie Nicks. He may have better luck in next time. I feel the rock hall very loves John Prine and even makes interview and celebration for Prine, which is rare for candidates who has not been inducted yet. If he is not voted in, he will be given musical excellence award in the future. We should remember that John Prine already got Grammy lifetime achievement and songwriters hall of fame award, which shows he has many industry supports.

Posted by power on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 21:18pm

John Mayer is qualified for potential rock hall inductees, but to me, he is not on the same level with the past inductees influenced him like Grateful Dead, SRV, Jimi Hendrix, he is also more marginal than some of his peers like the White Stripes (Jack White). I feel his case will more like Chicago/Doobie Brothers than Sheryl Crow.

Posted by power on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 21:29pm

I also feel if Sinead O Connor is nominated in the next year, she will have good chance to be inducted. She is well beloved and respected by both old and young past inductees. Old boomers and younger Gen-X people all love her.

Posted by power on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 21:50pm

Power

John Mayer is weird because his output is mostly "just fine" music wise, there's some good singles and those first 3 albums are good (no shock Continuum made the RS500) but a lot of his output is kinda bland, but he's been having hits for 20 years now ("I Guess I Just Feel Like" hit the Hot 100 in 2019 and "Last Train Home" was just under it) which is insane for a (soft) rock musician in the age of poptimism. He's also oddly influential (Ed Sheeran, Harry Styles are in debt to the guy even Taylor Swift to some extent) and he's kind of the go to guitar guy for everyone from Frank Ocean to Katy Perry (like if he wasn't a lock to get in as a performer we'd be talking about him for Musical Excellence).

I do agree he's not Sherly Crow or White Stripes but I don't he's Chicago or the Doobie Brothers

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 23:26pm

Another figure 8!

8. Bad Company

*=Deceased

Band Members: Paul Rodgers, Mick Ralphs, Simon Kirke, Boz Burrell*

Origin: Albury, Surrey, England

Essential Songs:
1. Bad Company (1974)
2. Can't Get Enough (1974)
3. Feel Like Making Love (1975)
4. Shooting Star (1975)
5. Rock N' Roll Fantasy (1979)

Essential Albums:
1. Bad Company (1974)
2. Shooting Star (1975)

The Influence: Jimi Hendrix, Jeff Beck, The Paul Butterfield Band

The Legacy: Van Halen, Pearl Jam, Journey


Nothing in music is as great as the supergroup. Crosby, Stills, and Nash, Cream, and Them Crooked Vultures plus others it's like The Avengers of music! Bad Company is certainly apart of them. A band formed after their stints in prog and arena rock, Bad Company combined great hard and arena rock elements to make works of art. Paul Rodgers is deemed as one of the most legendary voices in all of rock. Considering how they fit the bill, it's only a matter of time until they are inducted into the elusive hall.

Coming Up!

Show me a word that rhymes with-

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 12/18/2023 @ 23:37pm

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees as of right now?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/19/2023 @ 20:18pm

999999999


9. Pavement

*=Deceased

Band Members: Scott Kannberg, Stephen Malkmus, Mark Ibold, Gary Young*, Steve West, Bob Nastanovich

Origin: Stockton, California

Essential Songs:
1. Summer Babe- Winter Version (1992)
2. Cut Your Hair (1994)
3. Gold Soundz (1994)
4. Range Life (1994)
5. Harness Your Hopes (1997)

Essential Albums:
1. Slanted and Enchanted (1992)
2. Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (1994)
3. Wowee Zowee (1995)
4. Brighten the Corners (1997)
5. Terror Twilight (1999)

Influence: Pixies, Sonic Youth, Captain Beefheart

The Legacy: Weezer, Neutral Milk Hotel, Modest Mouse

Building a cult following and proving that the 90s wasn't all doom and gloom, Pavement sought to show the slacker side of the decade. Their music was catchy, yet quotable and quirky, yet sociable. It was like a band you and your buddies made. May not be popular, but you never know what with the Rock Hall.

Coming Up!

My Favorite Things!

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 12/19/2023 @ 23:40pm

Plebeian,

Sorry I haven't chimed in on your 12 Days yet this year. Been a bit busy/under the weather so I haven't posted much lately. Always fun to see who you're on each year. I'll tackle the first few today.

Coldplay is a certainty to be inducted as soon as they're nominated, which could be as soon as this year. It's hard to say where they stand with the nominating committee, since their popularity exceeds their critical acclaim. I don't think it'll take long though. Those first few albums were huge.

Never really got into Slayer. I know the big songs like Raining Blood, but that's about it. They face the same issues the other metal bands face, but they're not as big a name as Maiden or Motorhead, so their chances aren't great. Maybe as ME.

Alice in Chains are just waiting their turn behind Soundgarden. There is a clear hierarchy when it comes the big four of grunge and AIC always comes in behind NIrvana, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden. They'll get in though. For what it's worth, I'd listen to AIC over Nirvana or Soundgarden pretty much every time.

Stone Temple Pilots are a tough one to call. They were massive for a few years and have plenty of songs that still get played today, but it always felt like they were looked at as the kids eating at the adults' table. I'd guess they'd get in if nominated, but will they ever get a nom. Not sure how much respect that room gives them.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 12/20/2023 @ 14:01pm

10. John Coltrane (1926-1967)*

*=Deceased

Origin: Hamlet, North Carolina

Essential Songs:
1. Blue Train (1957)
2. Giant Steps (1960)
3. In a Sentimental Mood (1963)
4. My Little Brown Book (1963)
5. A Love Supreme Part 1 (1965)

Essential Albums:
1. Blue Train (1957)
2. Giant Steps (1960)
3. My Favorite Things (1961)
4. Coltrane Plays the Blues (1962)
5. A Love Supreme (1965)

Influence: Billie Holiday, Miles Davis, Duke Ellington

The Legacy: The Byrds, Jimi Hendrix, Joni Mitchell

Thelonious Monk. Miles Davis. Bill Evans. All famed musicians that have the jazz genre such energy and passion. John Coltrane was all three wrapped into one. A legend that took jazz in what critic Ira Gitler would call "Sheets of sound". Not only that but Coltrane would set the standard of the album when it was still used more for compilations rather than a new and original form of art. Sadly, Coltrane prematurely, but aspiring jazz musicians hope to attain what Coltrane laid the blueprint for years to come. What do you say Rock Hall?

Coming Up!

A ticking time bomb!

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 12/20/2023 @ 23:04pm

I do appreciate the nod to Bad Company. It seems that some people forget there is a few bands left in the 70s that should've been inducted decades ago.

Plebeian I also appreciate your annual look at deserving bands, and IMO, you almost always hit the nail on the head.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/21/2023 @ 03:06am

INXS is way more bigger than the Cars, also has critical acclaim. So why the cars were included but no one thinks INXS should be inducted. INXS is one of the biggest band in 80s.

Posted by kevi on Thursday, 12/21/2023 @ 08:21am

I think the most likely scenario for the 2024 nominees is in 5 parts and they are:

Scenario #1

Bad Brains
Bjork
Mary J. Blige
Cher
Dave Matthews Band
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
MC5
Motorhead
New York Dolls
Diana Ross
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
Dionne Warwick
The White Stripes

Scenario #2

Bad Brains
Beck
Mary J. Blige
Cher
Dave Matthews Band
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
MC5
Motorhead
New York Dolls
The Replacements
Diana Ross
Thin Lizzy
Dionne Warwick
The White Stripes

Scenario #3

The Bangles
Mary J. Blige
Cher
Dave Matthews Band
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
Motorhead
The Replacements
Diana Ross
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
Dionne Warwick
The White Stripes

Scenario #4

Bad Brains
The Bangles
Bjork
Mary J. Blige
Cher
Dave Matthews Band
Billy Idol
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
Alanis Morissette
Motorhead
The Replacements
Diana Ross

Scenario #5

Bad Brains
The Bangles
Mary J. Blige
Cher
Dave Matthews Band
Billy Idol
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
Motorhead
The Replacements
Diana Ross
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
The White Stripes

I think that they'll take a break from nominating Rap/Hip-Hop acts this year and they'll go with a mostly Rock-oriented list with some women and POC thrown in the mix as well because of Jann Wenner's comments.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/21/2023 @ 14:29pm

Give me the reason Billy Idol will be nominated before INXS. INXS actually sold way more albums, had more us top 10 hits, had more critical acclaim, had more historical impact. In all, INXS is more influential than Billy Idol.

Posted by kevi on Thursday, 12/21/2023 @ 21:40pm

Kevi

Billy Idol is friendly with the hall, British, is guaranteed to perform, is a single person, isn't in the messy messy avenue known as alt rock, didn't find a lead singer on a reality show.

Also billy idol has kind of always been relevant in some capacity while INXS fall in and out of fashion.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 12/21/2023 @ 21:50pm

I'm back!

11. Bjork

Origin: Reykjavik, Iceland

Essential Songs:
1. Human Behavior (1993)
2. Army of Me (1995)
3. Hyperballad (1995)
4. It's Oh so Quiet (1995)
5. Dancer in the Dark (2000)

Essential Albums:
1. Debut (1993)
2. Post (1995)
3. Homogenic (1997)
4. Vespertine (2001)
5. Vulnicula (2015)

Influence: Kraftwerk, Eurthymics, Kate Bush

The Legacy: Sia, Animal Collective, Charli XCX

Iceland's greatest artist, Bjork has not only become a well-known artist, but well-known presence in all of media. Already a musical child prodigy and releasing her FIRST album in 1973, she was destined for great things. Who could forget the woman's quirky and strange personality while also dressed in the most outlandish fashion known to man? But besides that Bjork always challenged herself to not confined to one genre. Art Rock? Done it. Indie Rock? Done it. Folk? Done it. Crooner? Done it. Alt Rock? Come on man! Sales may say otherwise, but it's hard for the Hall to ignore such a gifted and talented and versatile as Bjork. With Kate Bush finally in, Bjork's path just got a little more easier.

Coming up and on the final day!

Fell in Love with a Girl!

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 12/21/2023 @ 21:57pm

Listening to front burner today and was reminded of a massive rap act that never comes up here: 2 live crew.

Super important to the development of Miami as a hub for hip hop but also kinda set the standard for what was allowed in music (their obscenity trial). As rap becomes more core to the hall what do you guys think about their chances cause while they're not critical darlings they're historically incredibly important and influential.

Also nice write up plebian

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 12/22/2023 @ 15:11pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for the 2024 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees) as of right now?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/22/2023 @ 16:41pm

Mat r

Not as important as Tribe, Rakim, Nas, Wu Tang Clan... in hip hop community. Will not get a nomination soon.

Posted by power on Friday, 12/22/2023 @ 19:33pm

AlysRivers,

I have seen your post ( https://futurerocklegends.com/2023_Inductees/#441635 ), please chat with us more.

Posted by kevi on Friday, 12/22/2023 @ 21:35pm

Final Day! Time sure flies huh?

12. The White Stripes

Band Members: Jack White, Meg White

Origin: Detroit, Michigan

Previously Nominated?: 2023

Essential Songs:
1. Fell in Love with a Girl (2001)
2. Seven Nation Army (2003)
3. Ball and Biscuit (2003)
4. The Hardest Button to Button (2003)
5. Icky Thump (2007)

Essential Albums:
1. De Stilji (2000)
2. White Blood Cells (2001)
3. Elephant (2003)
4. Get Behind Me Satan (2005)
5. Icky Thump (2007)

Influence: Muddy Waters, The Rolling Stones, MC5

The Legacy: Kings of Leon, The Black Keys, Olivia Rodrigo


It was surprising this year that The White Stripes were nominated. Not that we are complaining because they should have been instant FYEs. Their impact on 2000s Rock when the genre was at its lowest point really saved it. Jack and Meg White were THE IT Rock couple for a decade and not a sibling pair like we all thought LOL. Critical acclaim and songs? Do I really need to explain why?! With the Rock Hall entering the 2000s it will be interesting to see such acts like The White Stripes get the attention they deserve.

I'm happy to keep doing this for years and I wish you a Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 12/22/2023 @ 23:27pm

Power, Mat R, Plebeian, Raichu, Elle Dee, Greg F, Ralib, RG, Jordan Einstein and others,

https://twitter.com/cvcjr13/status/1738235346784280766

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/23/2023 @ 15:51pm

richie,

what's the point of this?

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/23/2023 @ 18:17pm

K-Dawg,

I just wanted to share this because I really want you guys to share your predictions for the 2024 nominee ballot once again and If you have not done so yet, Now is the time to do it. Anyway, I hope you have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/23/2023 @ 18:52pm

Although I think Blur is way more important than Gorillaz in music history, it is possible that Gorillaz will be inducted in the future but Blur will be snubbed. Gorillaz is very big in US.

Posted by power on Sunday, 12/24/2023 @ 02:47am

What are your current predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/25/2023 @ 16:50pm

Richie here are my current predictions.

Alanis Morrisette
Cyndi Lauper
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Dionne Warwick
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Kool & The Gang
Mariah Carey
OutKast
Salt-n-Pepa
Shania Twain
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Tracy Chapman
Warren Zevon

What are your thoughts?

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12/25/2023 @ 19:47pm

INXS should be included in the rock hall. Massive album sales, 7 billboard top 10 songs, huge impact on fellow musicians and popular culture. INXS is one of the biggest new wave band that has not been recognized by the rock hall.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Monday, 12/25/2023 @ 21:10pm

Extremely high profile gig with a rock hall partner should help induction chances but also results in everyone being confused.

Does this help or hurt the smashing pumpkins?

https://americansongwriter.com/fans-left-confused-over-the-smashing-pumpkins-disney-parks-magical-christmas-day-parade-performance/

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 12/26/2023 @ 09:26am

Mat r,

Howard Stern supports Smashing Pumpkins and it is not totally impossible for Pumpkins to be nominated in the next year. Also, Ton Morello and Dave Grohl also love Pumpkins.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 12/26/2023 @ 10:18am

Hey Michael W. And K-Dawg,

I just want to say thank you for the praise every year when I do my wishlist. Would like you guys to give more individual thoughts on these acts. I have plenty more for years to come you'll be surprised.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 12/26/2023 @ 13:21pm

Gonna repost my predictions but with short little mini explanations. Starting with the previously nominated:
Everyone else from this year minus Tribe and Maiden (JD/NO, Stripes, Zevon, Lauper, Soundgarden): I wouldn't be surprised if all of them came back next year. Zevon could be an exception but we'll just have to wait and see.

The Replacements: Given how well The Spinners did with not being on the ballot for so long and managing to get in, I would imagine the nom com trying the same thing with someone else, and I figured The Replacements would be a good place to start. Other possible candidates for this spot would be Motorhead, Bad Brains, Thin Lizzy, Eric B. and Rakim, and Jane's Addiction.

Dave Matthews Band: With the band's namesake inducting and playing with Willie Nelson this year, I think it could lead to DMB getting another shot.

Beck: Honestly, I put him in my predictions just to fill up space, but he could surprise me by actually getting nominated again, who knows.

Now for the newcomers:
Peter Frampton and OutKast: Same as DMB. Both Frampton and Big Boi participating will probably lead them to getting nominated and getting in.

Coldplay: Honestly surprised they were nominated this year. I suspect the Hall is gonna wait till next year to honor them like we all originally thought would happen.

Oasis and Jeff Buckley: Both of them I'm predicting due to anniversaries. Buckley with Grace and Oasis with Definitely/Maybe. Liam Gallagher doing a 25th anniversary tour does help with their case.

Britney Spears: I think her book bringing her back into the public eye could definitely help her chances at at least getting nominated. Now whether she gets in or not I think depends on who else is on the ballot, and the ballot ends up like my predictions, I'd say her chances are 50/50.

Usher: With him gonna be performing at the Super Bowl next year, this could give him a big boost in a way. I'll admit his chances are low but who knows.

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 12/26/2023 @ 16:16pm

Forgot to also add Billy Idol to my predictions. I feel like he's a decent candidate for the MTV star slot.

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 12/26/2023 @ 18:29pm

Raichu,

Out of your predictions for the 2024 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/26/2023 @ 18:34pm

The reason I oppose predicting Billy Idol's nomination is as follows:

If he is considered a popular act, he does not carry the same level of fame and influence as other more renowned stars such as Cyndi Lauper, Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Bryan Adams, and Sting. While he is popular, these mentioned acts far surpass Billy Idol in popularity. Additionally, Lenny Kravitz could contend with Billy Idol in this spot.

If he is viewed as a pioneering new wave act, he lacks the influential and innovative impact of bands like the B-52's, Joy Division/New Order, and Devo. His contribution to music evolution history is not as indispensable as these acts.

If you are not particularly popular or innovative, why would you be nominated in advance?

Posted by power on Tuesday, 12/26/2023 @ 20:18pm

power

i don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying but i think you're ignoring something about billy. if we're counting him as new wave (which is fair cause he was new wave, he was on the rock end of) then he has a lot of songs, more than the rest of the remaining new wavers have. there's like 7 songs of his that are kinda standards of rock radio, rock playlists, karaoke, soundtracks. the b-52s and devo don't have that.

he popularized the term generation x or gen x among what was going to become gen x. it was an academic term that he made a pop culture thing.

you can say he's no classic album and isn't as influential on music but he has arguably the biggest footprint on culture at large.

and he's pretty influential, there's a reason miley wanted to work with him and why the strokes had to give him credit for bad decisions

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 00:08am

Mat r,

When it comes to famous songs, yes, they are an important factor, but they shouldn't be the sole determining factor. If we only consider famous songs, bands like Boston, Foreigner, and Three Dog Night would have been inducted several years ago.

However, your point is valid. "He popularized the term generation x or gen x among what was going to become gen x. It was an academic term that he made a pop culture thing." This alone could make him a Hall of Famer.

But I still think the hall should push Devo, the B-52's, JD/NO first, a reason is that

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 02:01am

There will come a time when the influence of the classic industry circle diminishes, and we will see influential alternative/indie artists like JD/NO, Pixies, and Weezer become shoo-ins for induction. However, we cannot predict when this will happen—maybe as early as 2030? At that time, individuals like Bono, members of The Cure, and Depeche Mode will be among the oldest and most powerful voters in the pool, and many newly-added young voters will undoubtedly cast their votes for their childhood heroes like Pixies and Weezer without hesitation.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 02:09am

Mat r,

When discussing the case of Billy Idol, we should also consider the potential for induction of other new wave-related acts such as Tears for Fears and Pet Shop Boys, as they are also at least debatable candidates for consideration.

To me, INXS is a band that will likely be inducted eventually, though such recognition may not be imminent. It seems probable that INXS could share a similar fate to bands like The Doobie Brothers and Chicago, whose acknowledgment by RRHOF after a substantial period of time.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 02:18am

Kanye West apologizes to Jewish community now.

So what do you think about his future RRHOF prospect? He seems to be in peace with Jewish community now.

Posted by kevi on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 02:49am

Power

I've my thoughts on INXS a few times. They're one of the most weirdly handicapped bands ever. They should get in but you know they can't be the only big band on the ballot (cause the hall wants a performance and INXS can't do that), they're not American, they kind of come and go in terms of relevance, and they're stint into reality tv is so different from everyone else that it cannot in anyway be ignored (like there is a stronger argument for JD Fortune, who is a brat, being inducted with them than say Ripper Owens with Judas Priest).

I feel very weird about how and when they'll show up. I do think the odds are better for idol, tears for fears, pet shop boys, and even Huey Lewis (who I think belongs in this chat) showing up first.

Your Chicago comparison feels right

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 09:50am

I want to actually expand on the tv show point a little bit

The farriss brothers decided to do a show to find their new lead singer. This was at a time when reality tv was seen as peak tacky and unserious and they dove head first into replacing Michael Hutchence with the format. They did every tacky and cheap cliche of the format and it was such a bad look that both Alice in chains and velvet revolver wanted nothing to do with it. It also flopped ratings wise (but did prove bankable as it moved copies of INXS's best of and a number of download singles from contestants).

You don't have to look hard to find outlets at the time and to this day calling the show disrespectful (the village voice called it an "atrocity") and the resulting album the worst they ever did but it also brought inxs back to relevance for the first time in over a decade and their last real hurrah as a band.

"Pretty Vegas" became their first real hit since 1992 and, seemingly fuelled by JD Fortune being Canadian, "afterglow" gave them their first album with multiple international top 10 hits since 92 as well. Fortune wrote the well recieved "Pretty Vegas" but was sidelined by the farriss resulting in a poor rushed outing rather than a fresh offering with a fresh voice.

That said the band is clearly is ashamed of this period, probably because it looked tacky and fortune proved a pain, and has tried to throw distance between them and it but they really haven't cause it regularly comes up as one of the worst ideas anyone ever had in rock with some describing it as the band destroying its legacy.

The rock hall hasn't yet really embraced reality tv. It will (Ozzy solo, harry styles, and Kelly Clarkson seem like gimmes to go in at some point) but INXS's entry feels like something that voters and committees will take negative note of cause it was so big and went so very poorly. You can ignore it to be respectful but it's really hard to when

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 10:40am

Kevi

No. He kickstarted a lot of shit and we're just starting to see it's impact in the mainstream. The damage he did was incredibly serious.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 13:51pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years from 2024-2033 (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 14:16pm

THE 2023 KENNEDY CENTER HONORS
https://www.kennedy-center.org/whats-on/honors/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fACLL9wahoo

Billy Crystal
Renée Fleming
Barry Gibb
Dionne Warwick
Queen Latifah

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 20:33pm

I will not count JD/NO out for induction if they are nominated in the next time, they may have good chance, they are not totally unknown to American insutry people. We should remember that JD/NO had relationship with Quincy Jones and Madonna loves Joy Division.

Posted by kevi on Wednesday, 12/27/2023 @ 21:37pm

I know it's belated, but picking up where I left off on Plebiean's 12 Days...

There's been a ton of discussion on INXS in this forum and for good reason; they are the very definition of a borderline Hall of Fame band. Yes, they had a bunch of hits and were really big for about a five-year period (I was in college at the time and remember there was one person who would play side one of Kick EVERY SINGLE DAY), but Mat R has listed the reasons they may struggle to get in. I personally think they should be inducted, but does the committee feel the same?

Television is an interesting one in that their they really only had the one album that anyone cares about, but that album is massively influential. There's obviously precedent for inducting artists known for only one album, but those artists had much greater name recognition than Television. They feel destined for the Early Influence category.

Jethro Tull feels like they should have been nominated a long time ago, and with each passing year the likelihood of them getting a nom gets smaller and smaller. They just feel like a Hall of Fame band though and would be voted in immediately if they ever got a nom. There's also a huge flutist void that this band would fill, at least until Lizzo is eligible.

I'm totally on board for a Bad Company induction. They may not have a seminal album in their catalog, but they have plenty of great, well-known songs. They, along with their arena-rock brethren Boston and Foreigner, deserve to at least be considered and would probably be inducted if given the chance.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 12/28/2023 @ 10:23am

Thought

Peter Frampton would be the first Homerpalooza artist nominated. If you follow the Simpsons you are well aware that Frampton loved doing it and regularly makes reference to it and other artists involved. Decent chance if he's inducted someone from either Sonic Youth or Cypress Hill does the induction.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 12/28/2023 @ 21:50pm

What are your year-end predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/28/2023 @ 22:39pm

I think Jethro Tull is definitely worthy of induction. Jethro Tull's music is cool, and they've also sold a lot of albums. But Jethro Tull has a problem; their music incorporates hard rock, progressive rock, and folk rock styles, but in any of these styles, they are not the most representative. Therefore, they are easily overlooked.

Posted by power on Thursday, 12/28/2023 @ 23:22pm

Amongst the plethora of arena rock/AOR/classic rock acts, Boston stands out as having the strongest potential for induction. Critically perceived as somewhat cheesy and lacking innovation, these acts find their influence primarily manifested in iconic songs, a factor that contributed to Journey's induction. "Don't Stop Believin'" stands as an emblem of this iconicity. While "More Than a Feeling" similarly falls into this category, many other AOR/arena rock/classic rock acts, such as Foreigner, Bad Company, Peter Frampton, and REO Speedwagon, lack comparable standout tracks, diminishing their overall induction prospects.

Posted by power on Thursday, 12/28/2023 @ 23:30pm

When it comes to the Kennedy Honors, I'm quite sure Dionne Warwick will be nominated. She's been getting a lot of recognition lately, receiving the Grammy Lifetime Achievement and the Kennedy Honor in recent years. Even Doja Cat sampled her song "Walk on By" in her number one single, showing Dionne's lasting influence. So, I believe she'll definitely be nominated next year.

On the other hand, Queen Latifah doesn't have a strong musical presence. She never had a platinum-selling album or a highly successful single. Considering her lower profile in music and not being the first famous female hip-hop artist, I think her chances are quite low. If we're looking to honor female hip-hop pioneers, Salt-N-Pepa should be a higher priority. They had a more significant impact on popular music, being the first big-selling female hip-hop act with substantial album sales and two top 10 hit singles in the U.S.

Moreover, LL Cool J is much more prominent and influential than Queen Latifah. If LL Cool J couldn't be inducted in main door after six tries, it's unclear how Queen Latifah would have a clear path to induction.

Posted by power on Thursday, 12/28/2023 @ 23:50pm

Here are my predictions for Rock Hall inductees from 2024-2029 in the Performers category according to information from guest (aka Btravll from Twitter/X ( https://twitter.com/Btravll ):

2024: The B-52's, Cyndi Lauper, OutKast, A Tribe Called Quest, Dionne Warwick, Warren Zevon
2025: Mary J. Blige, Cher, Billy Idol, Kool & The Gang, Diana Ross, Salt-N-Pepa, The White Stripes
2026: Bryan Adams, The Bangles, Mariah Carey, Dr. Dre, Roberta Flack, War, Wu-Tang Clan
2027: Beck, Patti LaBelle, Queen Latifah, Pet Shop Boys, Britney Spears, TLC, Luther Vandross
2028: Beyonce, De La Soul, Melissa Etheridge, Pink, The Pointer Sisters, John Prine, The Replacements
2029: Aaliyah, Eric B. & Rakim, Ice-T, Rick James, New Edition, Ozzy Osbourne, The Roots

with Big Mama Thornton, The Meters, Gram Parsons, Fela Kuti, Devo and Iron Maiden getting inducted via the side categories (Ahmet Ertegun Award, Early/Musical Influence and Musical Excellence) as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 00:05am

richie,

If you enjoy engaging with "guest", please only communicate with him on Twitter/X. I sincerely request that you refrain from mentioning "guest" here.

Posted by kevi on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 00:15am

I'm not sure where the love for Warren Zevon comes from. Despite having only one well-known hit (which only reached no. 21 in the US, not even breaking into the top 20), he remains relatively obscure to most people outside of the inner circles of the music industry. It's unlikely that many mainstream music voters who voted for more popular singer-songwriters such as Carly Simon, Cat Stevens, Donovan, Randy Newman, Dr. John, Bill Withers, and Todd Rundgren before, will cast their votes for Zevon. Same can be said on many past classic rock inductees. The reason for his late nomination likely stems from the fact that he lacks the same level of impact, legacy, and name recognition as these previously inducted singer-songwriters. To be honest, I think Zevon shares more similarities with John Prine than the aforementioned names.

Posted by kevi on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 00:28am

This would be a long shot but what about THE SWEET.

Brian Connolly lead vocalist, Steve Priest, Mick Tucker and the last original member still alive Andy Scott. He is still touring with a new line up.

They have been at it since 1968. I believe they beat out David Bowie and Mark Bolan with wearing funky outfits and make up.

The movie Spinal Tap was based on them. And just recently they have risen up with the song Fox on the Run with the Guardian of the Galaxy movie.

My other choices would be Bryan Adams, INXS, Iron Maiden and Thin Lizzy.

Posted by bohemian 0330 on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 06:30am

My latest prediction:

DMB, Devo, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon, The White Stripes, Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, Mary J Blige, Dionne Warwick, Salt-N-Pepa, Alanis Morissette, Outkast, Tracy Chapman, Mariah Carey, Kool & the Gang

Posted by chasingwildcat on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 07:57am

Wrapping up my perspectives on Plebiean's 12 Days...

Pavement never had a big hit or massive album. Cut Your Hair is probably their best known song. But they have a legacy that far exceeds their initial level of success so I think they'll eventually get inducted. Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain and Slanted and Enchanted always show up on any "Best of" albums list and they are constantly cited as an influence by artists who came after them, particularly in the indie scene. Their case is similar to that of the Velvet Underground, though not quite on the same scale as VU.

I'm constantly stunned that John Coltrane isn't inducted. As influential as any jazz performer ever. Worked with Miles Davis and Thelonious Monk (who also should be inducted). Legendary album in A Love Supreme. What more does he need? Should at least be an Early Influence if not a Performer.

Bjork stands a reasonable chance of being nominated this year, or possibly in the next couple years. Even people who don't know her music still know her name, even if it's just because of the swan dress. I'm looking forward to her eventual induction.

And lastly, the White Stripes. Yes it was a surprise to see them on the ballot last year, but they'll be back and they'll probably be inducted on their next nom. Jack White is one of the last guitar gods, has tremendous respect for the history of rock, and has worked with everyone from Beyonce to Loretta Lynn. And Seven Nation Army is one of those songs that gets played so much I never want to hear it again. They will headline whenever they are inducted.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 08:30am

Kevi

Zevon had respectable sales throughout his career and he and his music are very likable but yea I think his hype was overblown last year largely cause of the Billy Joel letter. I'm kind of suspecting he gets knocked out in favour of Tracy Chapman/Melissa Etheridge or maybe Nilsson but how well he did in the fan vote is making me think he sticks around.

Honestly, I think some voters didn't back him cause of the Billy Joel letter. Like imagine you've backed someone and all of a sudden a letter from Billy Joel gets a nomination. Total bullshit

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 08:48am

kevi, mat r

I think the problem Zevon is now facing is that he was an artist who was not that distinctive. I went back and looked at a bunch of critics' take on the 2023 nominees from months ago and some were divided on whether or not Zevon should be inducted. The main argument from the naysayers is that he was not that distinctive of an artist. I see what they mean with their opinion. He was no different from Randy Newman or Tom Petty when it comes to singer/songwriters who have a dark, sarcastic sense of humor.

However, I do think Zevon should be inducted because he was a musician's musician, a songwriter's songwriter. Even though he has the same cult status as Tom Waits, Laura Nyro or even Kate Bush for that matter, he was still widely recognized by his industry peers and his 70s and 80s output continues to grow in stature among today's critics.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 09:59am

kevi, mat r

I think the problem Zevon is now facing is that he was an artist who was not that distinctive. I went back and looked at a bunch of critics' take on the 2023 nominees from months ago and some were divided on whether or not Zevon should be inducted. The main argument from the naysayers is that he was not that distinctive of an artist and difficult to tell who he influenced. I see what they mean with their opinion. He was no different from Randy Newman or Tom Petty when it comes to singer/songwriters who have a dark, sarcastic sense of humor.

However, I do think Zevon should be inducted because he was a musician's musician, a songwriter's songwriter. Even though he has the same cult status as Tom Waits, Laura Nyro or even Kate Bush for that matter, he was still widely recognized by his industry peers and his 70s and 80s output continues to grow in stature among today's critics.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 10:02am

Mat r,

as for UK acts, I think Cliff Richard, Blur and the Jam will have great chance if nominated. Blur is very very huge in UK. Paul Weller has been one of the most influential and relevant acts in UK since 70s, he is beloved by both elder UK rockers and UK musicians in younger generations and Cliff Richard has a ton of hits in UK. I think most UK voters will vote for them without any hesitation if they are nominated and then they are very likely to be inducted as #6 or #7 spot. The problem is that these three acts are likely to never appear on the ballot. Robbie Williams may also apply to this case.

Posted by power on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 10:05am

Elle Dee, Mat R,

It's true that Warren Zevon's album sales, at around 1,500,000, are comparable to those of many "obscure" acts that "insiders" often dismiss, such as Joy Division/New Order and the Smiths. Despite this, Zevon only produced one top 40 hit in the US (not even in the top 20), while even New Order managed to secure two. Given that Joy Division/New Order, with their limited mainstream appeal, are not widely recognized by popular-minded individuals, it's puzzling that Zevon would be.

While Zevon achieved respectable album sales, including a platinum album, it's evident that if album sales were the primary factor, bands like Iron Maiden and Dave Matthews Band would have been inducted years ago.

Certainly, many voters may consider Warren Zevon a cult and obscure act. For instance, Eddie Trunk voted for Willie Nelson over Warren Zevon. Furthermore, numerous classic rock past inductees from the baby boomer era, who may not be part of Bruce Springsteen's inner circle, might not be familiar with Zevon's music. This could include individuals such as Steve Miller, members of Deep Purple, and members of Black Sabbath, among others. They are more likely to vote for Willie Nelson and the Spinners to represent baby boomer era over Warren Zevon.

Posted by power on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 10:18am

It's quite possible that Warren Zevon receives substantial support from individuals within "inner circle," contributing to his momentum and making him a serious contender for induction. However, he may lack votes from other camps, which could ultimately lead to him falling short of the final induction positions, perhaps in the #8-#10 range.

When comparing Zevon's situation with artists like Tom Waits and Leonard Cohen, whose critical acclaim outweighs their lack of hit songs and blockbuster album sales, it becomes clear that their widespread respect among musicians, beyond their inner circles, significantly influenced their first-time inductions. For example, individuals like Gene Simmons and Alice Cooper may deeply appreciate Waits and Cohen, while their sentiments toward Zevon may not be as strong.

Additionally, past singer-songwriter inductees such as Carly Simon, Cat Stevens, Donovan, Randy Newman, Dr. John, Bill Withers, and Todd Rundgren have achieved more famous and popular hits than Zevon, allowing them to attract a substantial number of poptimist votes. Zevon's comparatively lower level of respect in comparison to true cult acts like Cohen and Waits, along with his relative obscurity when measured against artists like Carly Simon and Cat Stevens, contributes to the understanding of his falling short in the induction process.

Posted by power on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 10:28am

elle dee,

your point is valid.

Yes, for example, Zevon makes influence on rem and springsteen. But if we delete zevon from the music history, the music of rem and springsteen is likely the same. Yes, the influence of zevon on other musicians really exists but it is not that huge and irreplaceable.

I think he can be inducted, he is just not that influential.

Laura Nyro is very influential, she is the pioneer of solo women songwriter and performer with artsy style, opens the doors for Joni and Kate Bush. She is the first person on this kind of path.

Posted by kevi on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 10:45am

kevi,

I listened to this rock hall-related episode of this podcast called "Brandocast", hosted by this dude named Brendan Smith. Comedian Dave Anthony was the guest and they went over the 2023 nominees one by one. By the time they got to Zevon, they were both negative about him. They were unnecessarily harsh on him, saying they're surprised that more than 10 people know who he is because of him being in third place in the fan vote and that he shouldn't be in the rock hall. Such jerks.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 11:00am

I think the most likely scenario for the 2024 nominees is this:

Newcomers:

Mariah Carey
Peter Frampton
OutKast
Smashing Pumpkins

Returning Nominees:

Mary J. Blige (Nominated previously in 2021)
Dave Matthews Band (Nominated previously in 2020)
Iron Maiden (Nominated previously in 2021 and 2023)
Joy Division/New Order (Nominated previously in 2023)
Cyndi Lauper (Nominated previously in 2023)
MC5 (Nominated previously in 2003, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2022)
Soundgarden (Nominated previously in 2020 and 2023)
Dionne Warwick (Nominated previously in 2021 and 2022)
The White Stripes (Nominated previously in 2023)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 11:47am

Mat R,

What are your year-end predictions for the 2024 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 19:34pm

Have we discussed John Denver for the Country potential slot? He's an American icon, had a tragic death, Country Road is the kinda song everyone knows like We Will Rock You or Sweet Caroline. His songs crossover with Folk and Soft Rock too like James Taylor or Linda Ronstadt style. Plus his pro free speech testimony against the PMRC alongside Zappa and Dee Snider is legendary. If nominated he'd be a sure fire inductee as a beloved icon

On that note, I've definitely got a problem with people mentioning later country acts like Garth brooks and Shania as potential noms, cause a big justification for Willie and Dolly is their impact and influence on rock over 70 year careers, as well as iconicty. Garth and Shania just don't really have that over 30 years, maybe we'll see it over time.

Posted by Will M on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 20:46pm

Have we discussed John Denver for the Country potential slot? He's an American icon, had a tragic death, Country Road is the kinda song everyone knows like We Will Rock You or Sweet Caroline. His songs crossover with Folk and Soft Rock too like James Taylor or Linda Ronstadt style. Plus his pro free speech testimony against the PMRC alongside Zappa and Dee Snider is legendary. If nominated he'd be a sure fire inductee as a beloved icon

On that note, I've definitely got a problem with people mentioning later country acts like Garth brooks and Shania as potential noms, cause a big justification for Willie and Dolly is their impact and influence on rock over 70 year careers, as well as iconicty. Garth and Shania just don't really have that over 30 years, maybe we'll see it over time.

Posted by Will M on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 20:46pm

My 2024 Nominee Picks:

Bryan Adams
Beck
Jimmy Buffett
Tracy Chapman
Coldplay
Devo
Kool & the Gang
Cyndi Lauper
Huey Lewis and the News
Alanis Morissette
New York Dolls
OutKast
Soundgarden
Dionne Warwick
White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Posted by Jason Voigt on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 20:54pm

Will M,

I do not think John Denver is very respected among musicians, at least not on the same level with Merle Haggard, Glen Campbell and Waylon Jennings. If we talk about commercial success, why not try a bigger country act named Kenny Rogers?

Posted by power on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 20:57pm

https://lonestar925.iheart.com/featured/bo-and-jim/content/2023-05-05-warren-zevon-excitable-dave-letterman/


Letterman also joked about his friend, Hall of Fame Foundation chairman John Sykes, saying he "owns the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" and that it does "focus groups" on the nominees. And the "feedback" on Zevon was that his "music was difficult to dance to" and "that many of the teens were frightened by Warren and his music," and that his music "was not poppy enough."

Sykes saw the video and tells us it "funny," adding that Letterman "made it all up,"


Considering his last-place finish in the nominating committee voting, it's apparent that beyond the support of individuals within inner circle, such as Steven Van Zandt, Paul Shaffer, David Fricke, and Lenny Kaye, Warren Zevon may not have garnered widespread backing from those outside the inner circle within the nominating committee.

Posted by kevi on Friday, 12/29/2023 @ 21:48pm

Ahmet Ertegun had significant control over the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, resulting in many less influential acts from his label being easily inducted. In contrast, most of Seymour Stein's acts, with the exception of Talking Heads, Ramones, and the Pretenders (they are well-loved within the inner industry circle), faced significant challenges in being included. Even arena tour acts like the Cure and Depeche Mode had to wait a while for induction, and other influential acts such as the Smiths, the Replacements, and Ice-T are still waiting and appear to be far from being inducted in the near future.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Saturday, 12/30/2023 @ 10:40am

https://futurerocklegends.com/2024_Nomination_Predictions/#442870

Mat r,

Sinead O'Connor > Jimmy Buffett > Gordon Lightfoot > Andy rouke (with The Smiths) > Robbie and Tom Bachman (with BTO)

Shane MacGowan (with The Pouges), Floyd Sneed (with Three Dog Night) and Gangsta Boo (with Three 6 Mafia) have very slim chance. Three 6 Mafia are important in developing undergrond hip-hop styles, I think their music is very interesting.

Posted by kevi on Saturday, 12/30/2023 @ 11:02am

Regarding Warren Zevon, it's uncertain whether he will definitely be nominated in the upcoming year. There appears to be a push for multiple acts in the singer-songwriter or classic rock era. For instance, there is a strong push for John Prine within the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, as evidenced by the rare exhibit dedicated to him and his prominent feature on the rock hall's website, despite not being inducted yet. Jimmy Buffett, a very well-known act in America and a friend of Bruce Springsteen, is also a potential candidate. Furthermore, Peter Frampton, who appeared in the 2023 induction ceremony, has a substantial industry following, boasts a massive album, and has produced multiple hit songs. Additionally, there is an outside chance for Gorden Lightfoot, who has a greater number of hit songs than Zevon and has a vast network within the industry.

However, despite the exceptional fan vote performance, and the "momentum" that may provide support for his continuous nomination in the second year, there is still uncertainty about Zevon's spot. Although it is unlikely that Zevon has more fans in the US than Maiden or Soundgarden, his fans have displayed more fervor in voting, could contribute to his ongoing nomination consideration.

I am still unsure about him.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Saturday, 12/30/2023 @ 11:19am

Mat R, Power, Greg F, Plebeian, Raichu, Elle Dee, Ralib, RG, Jordan Einstein and others,

What are your year-end predictions for the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/30/2023 @ 17:15pm

Side note

I just heard the Kool and the gang episode of who cares about the rock hall and I feel like, and call me crazy if you think this is, Joe read my war vs Kool and the gang comment and felt the need to respond. Am I crazy?

Joe if you are reading this I want you to know I think they should be in

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 12/30/2023 @ 22:28pm

Huey Lewis and the News have achieved 12 top 10 hits in the US, yet they are not widely regarded as legitimate contenders for nomination. I would like to understand the reasons. They are one of the biggest band in 80s.

Posted by LebronJames on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 06:03am

Hey Everybody,

I just want to say Happy New Year to everyone! I hope everyone is doing well. I'm going to take a one year break from the internet. Starting tomorrow on New Year's Day, I will not be on FRL for the entire year. If anyone's going to impersonate me on here as 'Elle Dee', I'm just letting y'all know that they're not the real Elle Dee because the real Elle Dee will go radio silent throughout 2024. I will return in 2025.

Before I go, here's my official predictions of the nominees and who I think will get inducted:


Nominees:


Sinéad O'Connor



Alanis Morissette 



Dionne Warwick

Kool & The Gang



Mariah Carey



Queen Latifah



OutKast

New Edition



Cyndi Lauper 


Soundgarden



Merle Haggard 



Dave Matthews Band



The B-52's



Joy Division / New Order



Tracy Chapman 



Ice T



Thin Lizzy



Selena



John Prine


Inductees:


Performers:


Mariah Carey





Alanis Morissette 



Dionne Warwick

John Prine

Joy Division / New Order



Soundgarden

OutKast


Musical Excellence:


Sinead O'Connor

Warren Zevon

Carol Kaye

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 08:31am

Elle Dee,

What happened to you? Is it serious? Anyway I will miss you. Hope everything goes well with you.

Posted by power on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 08:53am

power

I'm taking a one year break to focus on my mental, emotional and physical health. I want 2024 to be the year of mindfulness. I'll be back in 2025.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 08:58am

Elle Dee,

I will miss you on here, Anyway, There is a 9-year pattern for Cyndi Lauper getting Hall of Fame inductions:
In 2006, She was inducted into the Long Island Music Hall of Fame and 9 years later in 2015, She was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame, so I expect that the 9-year pattern will continue and I think that this year is Cyndi's year for induction, As well as it should be. As much as I love Mariah Carey and Alanis Morissette, I really can't see either of them in this discussion just yet (not saying either of them don't deserve it, because both of them both do absolutely deserve induction), but if you do want to throw a name out there for 2024 and I know that you may not agree with me on it, but I would mention Celine Dion, Yes, I know that she's not a critical favorite by any means, but you can't deny her massive record sales and worldwide popularity, plus she's had some major health issues in the past few years with her Stiff Person Syndrome illness, so there might be some urgency to get her nominated and inducted while she's still alive, plus she's got a new documentary about her life and career coming out this year called I Am: Celine Dion and we all know that the Rock Hall loves their documentaries, so for all of those reasons, I think that Celine will jump ahead of Mariah, Cher, Diana, Phil Collins, Gloria Estefan and Britney in terms of Pop Stars who haven't been nominated yet and she will get nominated and inducted before them, As far as Mariah Carey and Alanis Morissette, I just don't see either of them getting inducted before Cyndi, I really think that it's Cyndi's year this year, As well as it should be. So if you do want to throw Celine's name in the mix for this year (2024) because of her upcoming documentary and her SPS illness, Go right ahead. Please really consider swapping Mariah out for Celine because of it.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 09:35am

Anyone else feel like the Britney nomination has an extremely good chance at coming true this year?

Like she already had sympathy, there's a lot of public support around her, had been given an extremely positive critical re-evaluation (I think you could argue her critical standing is higher than Mariah or Cyndi), and her influence has always been well known.

And her book has single handedly cause the NSYNC and Justin Timberlake comeback to be put on pause when it was already in full swing by making him look like a douchebag. That would not happen if everyone in the industry was not well aware of that book and felt something.

What do you all think?

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 10:06am

Mat R,

As much as I love Britney Spears, I just don't see her getting nominated before Mariah Carey and I certainly just don't see her getting inducted before Mariah and Cyndi Lauper, If you do want to throw a Pop act for 2024 and I know that you will not agree with me on it, but Celine Dion really needs to be in the conversation for this year much more than Britney not only because of her Stiff Person Syndrome illness but also because of her new upcoming documentary about her life and career called I Am: Celine Dion that's coming out this year as well, so I think that Celine should be in the conversation for this year (2024) much more than Britney Spears.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 10:16am

Richie and others

Here are my current predictions again.

Alanis Morissette
Cyndi Lauper
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Dionne Warwick
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Kool & The Gang
Mariah Carey
OutKast
Salt-n-Pepa
Shania Twain
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Tracy Chapman
Warren Zevon

Thoughts?

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 11:40am

Year end predictions

Back for #4: War, New York Dolls

Back for #3: Soundgarden, Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest

Back for #2: Warren Zevon, Cyndi Lauper, Dave Matthews Band, White Stripes, Mary J. Blige

Debuts: Tracey Chapman, Britney Spears, Outkast, Peter Frampton, Suzi Quarto

Performer Class: Outkast, Dionne Warwick, Dave Matthews Band, Tracey Chapman, Britney Spears, Cyndi Lauper, White Stripes

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 12:44pm

Mat R,.

Listen, I like Britney Spears and have immense sympathy for her but please explain to me how she has a higher critical standing than Cyndi Lauper and Mariah Carey? Those artists have multiple Grammys and are in the Songwriters Hall Of Fame. Britney will eventually get in but not before those artists.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 13:37pm

Hi everyone. I don't show up here as often as I used to, but I wanted to say that I've enjoyed reading everybody's predictions. Here are my predictions for the Class of 2024 ballot:

1. Outkast
2. Coldplay
3. The White Stripes
4. Gloria Estefan
5. Roberta Flack
6. Mary J. Blige
7. Jimmy Buffett
8. Devo
9. Soundgarden
10. Kool & the Gang
11. Cyndi Lauper
12. Joy Division/New Order
13. The B-52s
14. Indigo Girls
15. Peter Frampton

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 13:55pm

Aria diamond

I said arguably and here

The argument would be built around the reputations held by "hit me baby one more time" and "toxic". Those two singles hold a great deal of stature especially among poptimists and aside from maybe the "fantasy" remix I don't think either Mariah or Cyndi have a single in like the same realm of as those two singles. Like both hold lofty spots on the Rolling Stone 500, "toxic" was ranked a top 10 for the decade by everyone from pitchfork to npr, and "baby one more time" was dubbed by Rolling Stone the best debut single ever. They're unbelievably acclaimed.

Also Britney is not getting in before Cyndi (I have them same year :) ) but if nominated this year I think she gets in. If she isn't nominated she is waiting till after Cyndi and Mariah but they'll do her before Gaga or Rihanna.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 13:58pm

What's up AlexVoltaire? Miss ya bud. Great to see that a lot of your predictions are the same as mine.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 17:17pm

Guys rolling stone up dated the top 500 albums

Added

#491 Harry's House (harry styles)
#466 Red (Black Uhuru)
#437 Demon Days (Gorillaz)
#430 Un verano sin ti (bad bunny)
#358 SOUR (Olivia Rodrigo)
#351 SOS (sza)
#170 Folklore (taylor swift)
#71 Renaissance (Beyonce)

changed rank
#46 Exodus (was #71) (bob Marley)

Cut
Fine Line (harry styles)
The Beach Boys Today! (Beach boys)
Screamadelica (primal scream)
For Your Pleasure (Roxy music)
My Aim Is True (elvis Costello)
Goo (sonic youth)
Disraeli Gears (cream)
Legend: The Best of Bob Marley and the Wailers

How do we think this impacts things?

Albarn gains a second album and Beyonce now has 3 in the top 100. Album sonic youth took a hit as did primal scream.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 22:44pm

Mat R,

I don't quite understand how "Folklore" received such high acclaim. While I can appreciate the impact of "1989" and "Red," even though I'm a hater of Taylor Swift, "Folklore" doesn't seem to have had that level of impact yet. As it's relatively new, we don't yet know what lasting impact it will have in the future. The way the American music industry idolizes and promotes Taylor Swift is quite nauseating.

Additionally, Renaissance was released not long ago, so it's unclear why this album is considered one of the greatest. The impact of this album has also not been fully tested yet.

I've mentioned this before, but even though Blur has been more influential in music history, I believe Gorillaz may have a better chance. Gorillaz have a much larger following in America. While Blur may be relatively obscure in the US, except for "Song 2," Damon Albarn is well-known in the US music industry. The Hall will eventually find a way to honor Albarn, perhaps after 2030. I think it's more likely the Hall will push for Gorillaz at some point, but I still believe Blur is more deserving. I think either of Damon's bands will have a good chance if one appears on the ballot, as Damon is so famous and beloved among British voters and past inductees.

"Goo" was added to the new version of the RS 500 albums in 2020 but is deleted now, I don't believe this will significantly affect Sonic Youth. Daydream Nation was chosen by the Library of Congress to be preserved in the National Recording Registry in 2005. In 2003, the album was placed at No. 328 on Rolling Stone's list of the 500 greatest albums ever, and in 2012, it was ranked number 171 in the 2020 edition. It's evident that its rank is rising. Therefore, I don't think Sonic Youth will be significantly affected.

Generally speaking, I'd like to point out that the results of the RS 500 albums/songs and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions don't align very closely. While they do share some common voters, the Rock Hall is more filled with elder industry people, whereas there are more acts from the younger generation who have votes for the RS 500 albums/songs but don't have the right to vote for the Rock Hall yet. If the RS 500 albums/songs were of significant indication for rock hall, Joy Division/New Order would have been inducted several years ago, as they have three albums and three songs in the RS 500. Most artists with this resume in the RS list were shoe-ins for induction.

Hope your response.

Posted by power on Sunday, 12/31/2023 @ 23:37pm

Still debating what I think the actual nominee list will look like but for now here is my what my dream nominee list would look like

Jethro Tull
Dionne Warwick
Jimmy Buffett
Iron Maiden
Kool & The Gang
Jimmy Buffett
OutKast
Lesley Gore
Cyndi Lauper
Pixies
Soundgarden
Salt n Peppa
Peter Paul & Mary
Phish
War

Again this is just my dream ballot.

Posted by Tom H. on Monday, 01/1/2024 @ 07:38am

Now I am seriously considering Lil Wayne will be FYE in 2024 just like 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Eminem and Missy before. Although he is not beloved by critics like these hip-hop giants, he still has two albums in RS 500 list. His impact on popular music culture can not be denied. With 3 US number-one hits and a total of 25 US top-10 hits, his achievement is significant, a level reached only by Eminem and Jay-Z. He has way more hit singles than Outkast while Outkast has best selling hip-hop album of all time. But the album selling number of Lil Wayne is also not bad. I feel his impact is too substantial to be overlooked in the hip-hop scene.

How about nominating Lil Wayne and Outkast together? Or considering three hip-hop acts on the same ballot? I believe both Lil Wayne and Outkast could be included, even if they are nominated on the same ballot.

I feel Lil Wayne is a little bigger and more crtically accalimed than 50 cents so I will not consider 50 cents in 2024.

What do you think?

Posted by power on Monday, 01/1/2024 @ 08:04am

Happy New Year everyone!

Here are my ballot predictions for 2024:

The B-52's
Beck
Coldplay
Cyndi Lauper
Devo
Fugees
Gram Parsons
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Kool & The Gang
Mariah Carey
Mary J Blige
Outkast
Peter Frampton
Soundgarden
Tracy Chapman

Tried as best I could to go for a similar structure that the ballots have taken over the last few years. I personally don't think that any of the artists becoming eligible this year will make the ballot, with the committee preferring to backtrack towards several of the artists that have recently become eligible but maybe haven't made a ballot appearance yet.

Let me know what you think!

Posted by RG on Monday, 01/1/2024 @ 09:12am

Power

Lil Wayne is a massive player, made influential music and then introduced the world to drake and Nicki, but I would say 50 is more likely than him for FYE largely because people prefer 50 as a personality.

I still think John Mayer is more likely than either which is funny

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 01/1/2024 @ 11:41am

iron maiden will be in eventually. they are like sabbath with huge album selling in us but no hit single and industry connection. This kind of big act will be voted in finally but will after a ton of times for trying.

Posted by Timmy Johnson on Monday, 01/1/2024 @ 11:48am

Dionne Warwick
Dave Matthews Band
Joy Division/New Order
Soundgarden
Cyndi Lauper
John Prine
Iron Maiden
the White Stripes
Devo
Mary J Blige

Salt N Pepa
Outkast
Alanis Morrisette
Mariah Carey
Kool & The Gang
Bjork

Posted by power on Monday, 01/1/2024 @ 12:02pm

delete bjork, add Tracy chapman

Posted by power on Monday, 01/1/2024 @ 12:09pm

Mat R and others,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2024-2033) (If 7 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/1/2024 @ 16:39pm

Curious who are everyone's wild cards for 2024?

Someone who isn't talked about much but you have a hunch it might happen this year.

Mine would be Suzi Quatro and "Weird" Al Yankovic. They've built off of Quatro a lot in recent years (go-gos, Benatar, crow) so now might be a good time to go back for her and the male 80s MTV spot is fairly open and Yankovic has an argument as the most impressive artist in that lane plus he has a recent movie that did very well (8 Emmy nominations and a PGA award).

They both seem like long shots but can see them happening this year.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 01/2/2024 @ 10:56am

For me it's simple
War
B52
Tommy James and shondells
Foreigner
Why I
Mariah Carey

Posted by Rod Gerus on Tuesday, 01/2/2024 @ 16:44pm

Mat r,

"Weird" Al Yankovic is somewhat out of the industry, but I believe he deserves to be inducted. However, I doubt that anyone in the nomination committee will seriously consider him.

(https://futurerocklegends.com/2024_Nomination_Predictions/#443339), I believe that Damon Albarn will undoubtedly be honored at some point after 2030.

My top 2 picks for wild cards would be Bjork and Sade.

Following Kate Bush's induction, Bjork is a natural choice to take her spot. She can fill both the women's and alternative spots. Sade is gaining momentum for awards. With two albums listed in Rolling Stone's 500 greatest albums of all time and the honor of being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in 2023, I believe there must be people advocating for Sade. In the future, D'Angelo and Erykah Badu will undoubtedly be considered for induction, and it's possible that the hall may prioritize honoring their main influence, Sade, at first.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 01/2/2024 @ 21:01pm

Phil Collins solo is a far more likely "male MTV star" pick than Weird Al.

So I was wondering, since multiple people where inducted multiple times, is showing up for both of them or showing up for one of them more common? The only person to not show up for either induction was Rod Stewart, everyone else who wasn't dead went to at least one. Let's not count inductees who were dead at the time of either induction, so George Harrison being dead in 2004 wouldn't be counted as an absence for him. (And wasn't Clyde McPhatter dead before either of his inductions?)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/3/2024 @ 00:04am

Follower,

John Lennon was dead prior to induction too.
Ron Wood was at both of his, and stewart only missed the faces cause of an illness. i didnt know he missed his first,

also on the death chart, you forgot to list bert berns as dead for 2016

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 01/3/2024 @ 07:37am

Follower

That's why I said wild card for weird Al. There's realistically what 4 or 5 guys rivaling him (Phil, Bryan, billy, maybe Robert or Luther) and weird Al is oddly impressive. With Phil already being in could benefit him

Power

Al is an outsider but Al has friends like jack black who is friends with Dave Grohl. That's a very close connection to the nomcom.

He's also like the most MTV star of all the male stars left and I could see Skye's and krim being sympathetic to him

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 01/3/2024 @ 08:06am

mat r,

for like most of my life ive always seen al as more comedian than genuine musician but upon diving into his stuff ahead of the movie last year, he is far more musiciany than i previously thought. hes had the same backing group for decades (im sure he'd like a neil gerado situation), composes original music and lyrics for all his albums, and and is a genuine recording artist, he puts out albums and the like regualrly, worked with RIck Derringer producing him. If more people saw him as that rather than a comedian hed see more recognition. hes hardly had much pure comedic work, 2 movies and 1 tv show isnt much for a typical professional comedian. instead hes always on tour, puts out career spanning box sets, etc.

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 01/3/2024 @ 09:37am

Will M

Yep also he's a lot of music video as well, in fact he's often cited as one of the greatest artists in the medium influencing a lot of stuff. It's hard not to see Weird Al in videos by Foo Fighters or Eminem and Ramones, Weezer, Ben Folds, Black Crowes, and Hanson have all worked with him on videos.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 01/3/2024 @ 10:23am

I wish they would induct John Mayall through the ME category. His influence on British rock is immense. There's not many people that can claim to have acted as mentor to people such as Eric Clapton, Peter Green and Mick Taylor. I know he won't ever be one of the nominees, but I feel while he is still alive it would be great to acknowledge the Godfather Of British Blues.

Posted by Sam M. on Wednesday, 01/3/2024 @ 10:42am

Will M,

Since Bert Burns died in the 60's, I don't know how I missed him, but I did. Here you go.

Living members of classes where less then or exactly half of the inductees are still alive:

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 5/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 11/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 13/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 19/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2012: 26/70 (Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members of each class where more than half of the inductees are alive:

1998: 17/30 (Glenn Frey, Randy Meisner, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Christine McVie, Gene Vincint, Lloyd Price, Denny Doherty, Mama Cass Elliot, John Phillips, David Brown, Allan Toussaint, and Jelly Roll Morton) The most alive 20th Century class.
2001: 14/26 (Johnnie Johnson, Jake Carey, Zeke Carey, Johnny Carter, Sollie McElroy, Nate Nelson, Paul Wilson, Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Richie Valens, Solomon Burke, and Walter Becker)
2003: 16/24 (Benny Benjamin, Floyd Cramer, Steve Douglas, Bon Scott, Malcom Young, Joe Strummer, Bobby Hatfield, and Mo Ostin)
2005: 11/17 (William Powell, Percy Sledge, Pete Farndon, James Honeyman-Scott, Frank Barsalona, and Seymour Stein.)
2006: 17/28 (Miles Davis, Sid Vicious, everyone from Lynyrd Skynyrd other than Artimus Pyle, and Jerry Moss)
2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2009: 14/21 (Bill Black, DJ Fontana, Bobby Womack, Jeff Beck, Tracy Lord, Cliff Burton, and Jason "Jam-Master Jay" Mizell)
2010: 21/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Cynthia Weil, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 21/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, Eazy-E, and Bert Berns)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 17/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Denny Lane Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 14/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Tina Turner, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton, and Clarence Avant)
2022: 24/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, Harry Belafonte, and Elizabeth Cotten)
2023: 14/21 (George Michael, Billy Henderson, Pervis Jackson, Bobbie Smith, Philippe Wynne, Don Cornelius, and Link Wray.)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/3/2024 @ 13:13pm

OK, I've been dragging my feet a bit on putting together my list of predictions for this year, as I wanted to do some trend analysis on the nominations and just hadn't had time lately to do it.

I finally had time this morning to go look at what I wanted to look at. So, I'm kind of using some trends over the last four years to set parameters on my predictions. Why four years? Because 2019 was a noticeable anomaly in the nominee stats so it doesn't help much except to point out that in the end you never can be sure when the committee will throw us all a big curve ball we didn't expect; and going much beyond five years doesn't make much sense since the nominating committee and leadership has had turnover in recent years and has some fresh philosophies they are obviously following, so those older ballots aren't that useful for predicting what the current committee makeup is likely to do.

So, here's the key info over the past four years.
Total nominees have been: 16, 16, 17, and 14. My interview with Alan Light revealed that this variation tends to come down to just looking for logical cutoff tiers when there are close votes in the committee. So I'll go ahead and guess it will be 16 again this year since that seems about the average in these recent years.
Balance has been close to 50/50 between repeat nominees and first time nominees. 7-9; 9-7; 10-7; 6-8; overal 32 - 31. So I will set my guesses to 8 repeat nominees and 8 first time nominees.
Each of the last four years has had one first time nominee that was a "snub" of less than five years; one or two first time eligible artists, and the rest being longer term snubs of five years or more. Given that the 2023 first time eligibles had to share ballot access with 2022 first time eligibles when the committee reset the eligibility calendar, I'm actually going with two short term "snubs" and one actual first year eligible this year. And I will guess five time long time snubs getting their first nomination after five or more years of waiting; that's been the number the past two years, with four such artists in 2021 and seven of them in 2020.

For repeat nominees, there's not a strong trend towards what I call "encore" nominations (renominating an artist that was passed over on the prior year ballot) versus what I call "comeback" nominations (renominating an artist who was passed over previously but had not appeared on the direct prior year ballot). Last year it was 3 encores and 3 comebacks, the year prior it was 6 encores and 4 comebacks, 2021 had only 1 encore and 8 comebacks, and 2020 had 4 encore and 3 comebacks. I'll predict the trend is going to be more heavy this year with Comeback nominations as the committee has gotten more free reign now in just putting in artists that they have been insistent on but that the main voters have resisted; so I think we will wind up seeing fewer artists that get annual repeat nominations because now the committee can pretty easily just backdoor them in. I'm going with three encores from last year's ballot, and five comebacks from past ballots that were not on last year's ballot.

FYI - The 2019 data I chose to cut off from consideration was 15 nominees, with no 1st year eiligibles, no short term snubs, but 6 long time snubs getting their first shot, and six encore nominees, and 3 comeback nominees. It doesn't really fit much with the more recent four years' trends. The two years before that were the "big ballot" years with 19 nominees, so those don't fit the recent ballots either. The past four years really seemed like the best data set to use for trend analysis.

So there you go: 16 nominees, 8 repeats with 3 encores from last year's ballot and 5 comebacks from prior ballots; 8 first timers with 5 long term snubs, 2 short term snubs, and 1 first time eligible.
Given all that, here are my predictions:
The B-52's (Long time snub - 1st nomination)
Mariah Carey (Long time snub - 1st nomination)
Tracey Chapman (Long time snub - 1st nomination)
Coldplay (short term snub - 1st nomination)
Dave Matthews Band (comeback nomination)
De La Soul (Long time snub - 1st nomination)
Devo (comeback nomination)
Cyndi Lauper (encore nomination)
Iron Maiden (encore nomination)
Jane's Addiction (comeback nomination)
LIL Wayne (1st time eligible)
Motorhead (comeback nomination)
New York Dolls (comeback nomination)
Sinead O'Connor (Long time snub - 1st nomination)
White Stripes (encore nomination)
Wilco (Short Term snub - 1st Nomination)

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 01/3/2024 @ 15:25pm

So one of my 2024 picks for nominee continues to be in the press and has basically said she's retired (aside from writing). Also interesting note, she's claiming she's been ghostwriting for people over the last 2 years

https://www.instagram.com/p/C1p-tjPPn0T/?igsh=ZWMyNDBlOTQyNg%3D%3D

https://variety.com/2024/music/news/britney-spears-never-return-to-music-industry-new-album-rumors-1235860934/

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 01/3/2024 @ 19:46pm

I wish I commented more on these as I love discussions about the Hall and this is the first time I'll be able to participate in the nomination predictions! Im not going to make a list since I just have limited info on who is eligible and who would do well on any ballot so im just here to comment and tout for my faves!

I been saying this since 2020 at least, but Diana Ross solo career should have been taken into account. If George Harrison and Ringo Starr who were hardly the focus of the beatles and got in just because they were apart of that legacy, I dont see why Diana's time as the forefront of the most successful girl group cant merit her at least a nomination. that being said, she also is one of the most successful female solo stars of all time in terms of sales and chart hits and we all know she has influence and impact in spades. I can see them overlooking her for the near future as not to have too many artists in the same lane competing and there are a few names that probably deserve it a little more since she is already in the hall technically. Yet a 2024 nod doesnt seem too far off since they have been more open to women in the last 3 years.

Dionne Warwick being overlooked twice is just disgraceful especially when considering she had already been eligible nearly 40 years by the time they even thought of gracing her. She has expressed indifference, but who can blame her when its taken the world so long to even recognize her talent, success and impact as one of the first black soloists to take off in the rock and roll era. Hopefully her recent KCH can get her on the ballot again and this time in.

Mary J Blige imo has easily the most R&R HOF career among her 90s peers. Like she has the longevity in her genre (like what, 15 consecutive top 10 R&B albums?? between 1992-2022 so 30 years of huge success), heralded a new sound and aesthetic, is critically acclaimed in all eras of her career and has the grit of any rocker. I can definitely see how she wasnt chosen last time, but a return to the ballot is due. Either way Mary gets in, but Im not too sure on when.

Luther Vandross feels like someone who should be in the Hall but i dont know if his career was big enough to be seen as worthy for the hall? i may be wrong on that. his influence and his wide spread talent was known throughout his career and so an eventual nomination would be well deserved. plus its getting close to 20 years since his passing- its time for some reevaluating.

Mariah Carey is very interesting because she is respected for her singing, her songwriting and her tireless drive to make her music authentic and relevant across all the many genre and style changes that has occurred since she debuted in 1990. Yet she still seems to not have been on the Hall's radar which is odd considering she is the last major selling artist who isnt in- even Eminem who made his start nearly a decade after her got in two years ago now. With Madonna, Janet and Whitney all in now, it makes no sense to keep her off, but the Hall probably thinks they can wait on her a little longer hence why Mary made the ballot before her and why Eminem is already in and she's not. As long as they get her in before Destiny's Child and Beyonce become eligible then that's alright.

Posted by ABJ on Thursday, 01/4/2024 @ 08:06am

"I been saying this since 2020 at least, but Diana Ross solo career should have been taken into account. If George Harrison and Ringo Starr who were hardly the focus of the beatles and got in just because they were apart of that legacy, I dont see why Diana's time as the forefront of the most successful girl group cant merit her at least a nomination. that being said, she also is one of the most successful female solo stars of all time in terms of sales and chart hits and we all know she has influence and impact in spades. I can see them overlooking her for the near future as not to have too many artists in the same lane competing and there are a few names that probably deserve it a little more since she is already in the hall technically. Yet a 2024 nod doesnt seem too far off since they have been more open to women in the last 3 years."

Why the Nomination Committee has continued to overlook Diana Ross is beyond me. She's been eligible since 1996 and not nominated once? Like what was said - if we can have Ringo, George, Peter Gabriel, etc. in twice there is absolutely no justification as to why Diana shouldn't be in as a solo artist. If Tina, Stevie, Carole can get in, Diana is really the next in line who deserves the two-time induction most. Nothing against Dionne, but she's been nominated twice and not inducted. There is clearly some hesitation on the voting body's part. Instead of making Diana wait so Dionne can get in, they should nominate Diana, get her in and then try for Dionne again. If Diana was on the ballot, she'd be a shoe-in. The continued prolonging of nominating her just gets more insulting. They should induct her while she's still here, still performing, and still in good health.

Posted by E.M. on Thursday, 01/4/2024 @ 21:09pm

I wonder if Diana Ross' snub is of her own like desire. She was tight with Ahmet right? Maybe she's low key one of those please do induct me again while alive types and made that clear so they're waiting.

I know they've had a hard time with a lot of the disco, RnB, soul, and dance diva types (eg Donna, Janet, Eurythmics, Mary J) but Diana ross seems like she'd walk in probably with greater vote count than cher or Mariah.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 01/4/2024 @ 21:53pm

I agree with you 100 percent E.M.

Posted by ABJ on Thursday, 01/4/2024 @ 22:23pm

Would I be off base in saying that the most snubbed member of the hall is probs a producer such as Timbaland or Rick Rubin (just examples) than most if not any performer out there?

Posted by RyTheSensation on Thursday, 01/4/2024 @ 22:50pm

i have a question to ask you all. It seems that people engaging the rock ceremony in recent years may have rights to vote. I think Beck, Bette Midler, Taylor Swift all have votes. However, if the same can be applied for people engaging in ceremony many years ago, for example, does Vernon Reid, Billy Corgan and the guys from b52s have the vote? I do not think so.

Posted by power on Friday, 01/5/2024 @ 03:48am

My final predictions for the 2024 nominees are:

Mary J. Blige
Dave Matthews Band
Iron Maiden
The J. Geils Band
Jane's Addiction
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
The Meters
New York Dolls
Soundgarden
A Tribe Called Quest
War
Dionne Warwick
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

I'm going with an all-repeat nominee year this year, I think that they will produce a ballot with the usual suspects this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/5/2024 @ 18:02pm

I agree that there's a producer who is the "biggest" HOF snub; but the producer I believe in that spot is Robert John "Mutt" Lange. Producer of Ac/DC's Back In Black, and Shania Twain's Come On Over, two of the top ten best selling albums of all time, along with some other huge Shania albums and a bunch of the biggest albums by a number of big 80s bands, Cars - Heartbeat City, Def Leppard's Pyromania and Hysteria, and Foreigner - 4. Just massive albums, and all with Lange's obsessive flawless production style.

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 01/6/2024 @ 02:08am