My predictions:

Kate Bush
Mariah Carey
Destiny's Child
Devo
Iron Maiden
Fela Kuti
Chaka Khan (with or without Rufus)
MC5
Missy Elliot
OutKast
Rage Against the Machine
Smashing Pumpkins
Sparks
TLC
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 19:19pm

Who will take the Duran Duran/Eurythmics spot for 2023?

Some ideas:
- The B-52's
- INXS
- Joy Division/New Order
- The Smiths

Or maybe Devo will be the only New Wave band nominated next year.

Posted by Garrick on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 19:24pm

Here is who I would put in. 1. Humble Pie.
2. Free
3. Iron Maiden
4. Bad Company
5. Devo
6. Toto
7. Slayer
8. Styx
9. Foreigner
10. Soundgarden

Posted by Andy on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 19:39pm

John R.C.,

Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees (Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Destiny's Child, Devo, Missy Elliott, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan, MC5, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, Smashing Pumpkins, Sparks, TLC, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Garrick,

I think The B-52's and INXS will take the Duran Duran/Eurythmics spot, because they're the two most commercially successful and popular 80's New Wave acts not in yet.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 19:40pm

Trying to guess based on people who inducted, appeared in videos and were mentioned in speeches at the lastest ceremony. Assuming 17 is the maximum number of nominees they'll go with:
Bad Company
Billy Idol
Cher
Jane's Addiction
Kate Bush
Lenny Kravitz
Mariah Carey
Mary J. Blige
New York Dolls
No Doubt
Oasis
Sheryl Crow
Snoop Dogg
The Bangles
The Smashing Pumpkins
Thin Lizzy
Usher

Posted by Gal on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 19:43pm

My "predictions":

Fiona Apple
Björk
Mary J. Blige
Kate Bush
Mariah Carey
Cher
Sheryl Crow
Destiny's Child
Missy Elliott
Iron Maiden
Outkast
Diana Ross
The Runaways
Tears For Fears
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tommy James & The Shondells
Dionne Warwick
Mary Wells
Wu-Tang Clan

Posted by Ozma on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 20:39pm

My 2023 predictions:
A Tribe Called Quest
Kate Bush
Beck
Cyndi Lauper
Devo
Destiny's Child
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
King Crimson
Missy Elliot
Mary J Blige
Muse
Queens of the Stone Age
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Slade
The Commodores
Warren Zevon
Weezer
Weird Al

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 21:12pm

Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
Inxs
B-52's
Outkast
Mariah Carey
Soundgarden
Oasis
Jane's Addiction
New York Dolls
George Michael
Rage Against the Machine
Iron Maiden
Willie Nelson
Mary J. Blige
Counting Crows

Posted by Tim M on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 21:54pm

12 Days is moved on here so anyone that is wondering where I am I'm here.

Only 3 days left I wonder who is left?!

10. George Michael (1963-2016)*

*=Deceased

Origin: East Finchley, London, England

Essential Albums:
1. Faith (1987)
2. Listen Without Prejudice (1990)

Essential Songs:
1. Careless Whisper (1984)
2. Faith (1987)
3. Father Figure (1987)
4. I Want Your Sex Pt.1 & 2 (1987)
5. Freedom! '90 (1990)

Influence: Elton John, Queen, The Righteous Brothers

The Legacy: Enrique Iglesias, Ricky Martin, Backstreet Boys

Women wanted him, guys…well wanted him too. George Michael was hands down the biggest U.K. pop star of the 1980s. He had cool, sexiness, and musical craft that proved he was not just a pretty boy. He first dominated as Wham! at the start of the decade but soon became a household name by the end. While he never reached those heights again he still pursued to become one of pop's best artists. Do we have faith that the Hall will induct the late artist?

Coming Up!

Two turn tables and a microphone!

1. The Flaming Lips
2. Pixies
3. Nas
4. War
5. Dead Kennedys
6. Kate Bush
7. Brian Eno
8. Weezer
9. Thin Lizzy
10. George Michael

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 22:00pm

My Predictions for the 2023 nominees are:
Fiona Apple
Phil Collins
Devo
Missy Elliott
Melissa Etheridge
Roberta Flack
INXS
Jane's Addiction
Chaka Khan
King Crimson
Living Colour
Megadeth
George Michael
Pet Shop Boys
Soundgarden
Tears For Fears
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Zack F on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 22:00pm

Well then, time to update the list of living/dead members of each class for real.

Since the ceremony, Christine McVee, Tommy Facenda, and Jim Stewart have died.

Living Members of Each Class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 0. They're all dead.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 7/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 22/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 18/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 14/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2003: 16/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, and Bill Medley)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 27/70 (Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 18/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 15/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)
2022: 25/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, and Elizabeth Cotten)

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 22:44pm

Back for number 5
Rufus with Chaka Khan

Back for number 4
Devo
Kate Bush

Back for number 2
Beck
Los Lobos
Soundgarden
Eric B and Rakim
Jane's Addiction

Debuts
The B52s
'Weird' Al Yankovich
Mariah Carey
Boston
Destiny's Child
Bryan Adams
Dr. Dre
Sheryl Crow
The Shangri-Las

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 23:07pm

Mat R,

Out of your updated predictions for the 2023 nominees (Bryan Adams, The B-52's, Beck, Boston, Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Sheryl Crow, Destiny's Child, Devo, Dr. Dre, Eric B. & Rakim, Jane's Addiction, Los Lobos, Rufus With Chaka Khan, The Shangri-La's, Soundgarden and "Weird Al" Yankovic). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 23:19pm

Richie

Mariah Carey, Bryan Adams, Boston, Dr. Dre, Rufus and Chaka, Sheryl Crow, The B52s

Musical excellence for Devo

Early Influence for The Shangri-Las (maybe)

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 23:41pm

Richie,

Out of my predictions here's the 7 who I think have a good chance:

Kate Bush
Mariah Carey
Missy Elliot
OutKast
Sparks
A Tribe Called Quest

TLC and Destiny's Child fight it off for that 7th spot.

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 23:46pm

John R.C.,

Cool!, On a more serious note, Could you please unblock me on Twitter, I really want to follow you on Twitter again, so Could you please unblock me on Twitter?. Thanks and Have a great night.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/10/2022 @ 23:53pm

Which of these three things would be the bigger deal at a Rock Hall ceremony?

- Kate Bush not only shows up to her induction but performs as well.
- The Smith reunite and perform at their induction.
- Oasis reunites and performs at their induction.

And of these three options which is the most likely to happen?

Posted by Garrick on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 02:34am

My Predictions for 2023 Nominees:

The B52s
Kate Bush
Tracy Chapman
Mariah Carey
Sheryl Crow
Destiny's Child
Herman's Hermits
Billy Idol
Inxs
Iron Maiden.
Jethro Tull
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
Outkast
the Smiths
Soundgarden
Tears for Fears
Weezer

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 03:28am

Now I would like to share my only predictions for 2023, then I'll be taking a break until the announcement of nominees. I would give them a number between 1 - 10, based on the chances for the honor.

The B - 52's: 7/10

They're a trending theme mostly because of the Farewell Tour, maybe they could take Devo's place in the ballots since they were nominated 3 times & The Bees haven't been nominated before.

Beck: 8/10

Well he lost out this year but it doesn't mean he'll never get the honor, it took Radiohead two tries to get inducted & this might happen the same for Beck but we don't know yet.

Mary J. Blige: 8/10

Now I anticipated that Blige would be nominated by next year since the Hall decides to evolve every year but I might not see her second one by that point so we'll see.

Kate Bush: 7/10

Her song Running up the Hill is one of the top songs in the summer all thanks to the 4th season of Stranger Things. Considering the fact Bush have been nominated 3 times beforehand, this all could be her claim to finally being inducted into the RRHOF (although won't be voting in as performer but rather Musical Excellence).

Iron Maiden: 8/10

With Judas Priest now inducted, it's a matter of time for more metal acts to finally get the recognition. Iron Maiden is the biggest omission & even though they're very critical of the Hall, there's no doubt they're deserving. Next year would finally be their call to victory.

Jane's Addiction: 7/10

They've only been nominated once & I'll like to see them back on the ballot now that RATM received their 4th nomination.

Joy Division/New Order: 8/10

With both Duran Duran & Eurythmics inducted, it's safe to say that JD/NO would very possibly be the next ones nominated & subsequently inducted in the post punk/new wave field.

Lenny Kravitz: 6/10

Guarantee Kravitz might not be inducted right away, the nomination might be the closest when it comes to recognition from the RRHOF.

George Michael: 5/10

He's one of the greatest artists of the 80s generation, winning Grammys & sold a lot of records but does he have critical acclaim not sure but he'll might be considered for nomination in the future.

Alanis Morrissette: 7/10

Even though she fell out of induction ceremony at the last minute, I still put her as one of my picks. She might be considered but an induction is eventual.

OutKast: 10/10

Never have been nominated before, so give them consideration since they been eligible for a few years

Diana Ross: 9/10

With Tina Turner & Carole King inducted as solo artists, I think Ross should be the next one after them since she had a successful career as one after The Supremes.

Soundgarden: 8/10

Originally I was going to pick RATM but they were nominated 4 times now & it's getting to a point of becoming exhaust for the committee so Soundgarden should take their place.

Thin Lizzy: 7/10

Only nominated once so far, the band from Ireland are one of the leading figures in Hard Rock & would go on to influence countless metal acts.

A Tribe Called Quest: 9/10

Well there won't be any newly eligible rap artists being nominated so give Tribe another shot & we'll see what happens.

War: 7/10

I've been seeing a lot of posts everywhere championed War for possible induction & it's not hard to see why. They're known for hits like The World is a Ghetto & Low Rider but also known for their elements of funk, jazz, reggae, latin & R&B.

Alright these are my predictions!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 07:16am

Jordan Einstein,

Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Beck, Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, Joy Division/New Order, Lenny Kravitz, George Michael, Alanis Morissette, OutKast, Diana Ross, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy, A Tribe Called Quest and War). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 09:36am

John R.C.,

Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees, I think the following acts would get inducted:

Kate Bush
Mariah Carey
Destiny's Child
Missy Elliott
OutKast
TLC
A Tribe Called Quest

As much as I love Sparks, I just don't see them getting inducted as Performers, I think that if they ever get in, It will be a side category induction like Early Influence or Musical Excellence, rather than as Performers.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 10:12am

So, given that there were 16 nominees in the 2021 ballot and 17 in the 2022 ballot, I'm going to go with a prediction of 18 nominees for the 2023 ballot, although that will probably the highest the Rock Hall ballot actually goes to. First, in terms of the 2023 class that will be on the ballot their first year, I'm going with Queens of the Stone Age and Missy Elliott. I don't think I need to explain why they'll get in the ballot at this point, but here's why the other big names from this year's class aren't likely to see the ballot, at least for this year. (Keep in mind, these names are due to how big their names are on the future eligibles list)

Black Eyed Peas: Did they produce some of the biggest hits of the 2000s? Sure. However, does that mean their other musical output is good? ...eh. If you're talking about their earlier output, then maybe, like the thinnest of maybes, there's a case, but I'm sure their cashgrabbing of reggaeton in their last two albums (and how trash those albums were) almost guarantees they don't get a nomination, especially with most people in music circles now thinking that will.i.am is a hack of a producer.

Destiny's Child: If anything, they're most likely going to get in because of Beyoncé being a member of the group. However, being one of the highest-selling girl groups of all time doesn't hurt their chances either. Perhaps they do get in, but not 2023.

Muse: Honestly, the first half of their career SCREAMS hall induction. Origin of Symmetry, Absolution, & Black Holes and Revelations are considered to be some of the best albums of the 2000s. As a live act, they never fail to deliver. Some of my friends who went to see the band have given them rave reviews. Plus, I'm sure the hall would love to induct a musical act who learned from the school of Radiohead! (ya know, with their influence and everything) However, the band's output since 2009 is sure to be divisive, especially with their newest album that came out this year. Their decline as an albums artist might hurt their chances in the long run.


Now, for artists who made the ballot last year but didn't get in, I decided to pick 6 of those artists to return, seeing as that was the amount of acts who went from 2021 to 2022. Those acts are A Tribe Called Quest, Devo, Kate Bush, MC5, New York Dolls, and Rage Against the Machine. Full disclaimer, I do see Fela Kuti getting in, but I think he should be put in the early influence category, in roughly the same way Kraftwerk got the induction in 2021. (Fela Kuti was a pioneer in the afrobeats genre alongside legendary drummer, the late Tony Allen)

For my next selection of artists, I'm going to divide the remaining 10 slots; 5 for artists who have been nominated before but weren't on the 2022 ballot, and 5 artists who have never been nominated... ever. For the latter, I'll provide explanation for why I choose these artists and their significance. For the 5 artists who deserve another go in the ballot, I'm going with Chaka Khan (either with or without Rufus), Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, Mary J. Blige, and Soundgarden. Now, for the 5 who have never gotten nominated, I'll admit that I may have a tiny bit of bias going into this, so bear with me here. I can explain each nominee later because I don't want this to be as long as this already is, but I have Björk, Blur, Daft Punk, OutKast and George Michael. In total, here's my final ballot:

A Tribe Called Quest
Bjork
Blur
Chaka Khan
Daft Punk
Devo
George Michael
Iron Maiden
Jane's Addiction
Kate Bush
Mary J. Blige
MC5
Missy Elliott
New York Dolls
OutKast
Queens of the Stone Age
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden

Posted by Robert F. on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 10:25am

My predictions

A Tribe Called Quest
The B-52s
Mary J. Blige
Kate Bush
Mariah Carey
Cher
Devo
Foreigner
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Fela Kuti
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
OutKast
Diana Ross
Soundgarden
Sheryl Crow
Lenny Kravitz

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 12:41pm

Greg F,

Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Cher, Sheryl Crow, Devo, Foreigner, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Lenny Kravitz, Fela Kuti, Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson, OutKast, Diana Ross, Soundgarden and A Tribe Called Quest). I think the following acts would be candidates to get inducted:

The B-52's
Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey
Cher
Sheryl Crow
Foreigner
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
OutKast
Diana Ross
Soundgarden

Also, Which ones do you see being inducted (If somehow 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 12:50pm

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Diana Ross
02. Dionne Warwick
03. Willie Nelson
04. Jan & Dean
05. The Monkees
06. Jethro Tull
07. King Crimson
08. Kool & The Gang
09. Commodores
10. Foreigner
11. Iron Maiden
12. Motorhead
13. Kate Bush
14. Cyndi Lauper
15. Devo
16. Wham! / George Michael
17. Joy Division / New Order
18. Rage Against The Machine
19. Soundgarden

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 15:15pm

Here goes:

The B-52's
Beck
Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Roberta Flack
Billy Idol
Iron Maiden
Jane's Addiction
Lenny Kravitz
Fela Kuti
Cyndi Lauper
New York Dolls
OutKast
Soundgarden
Dionne Warwick

If press and Rock Hall relationships matter at all, I see Alanis and Cher baring that. I also don't see them going for Willie Nelson so soon after Dolly Parton. I think taking a year off from the country icons seems like an obvious choice (although I would love to see Patsy Cline get one of this year's Early Influence slots). Finally, I don't see them resisting a newly eligible and popular/influential female rapper in Missy Elliott. I think that Salt-N-Pepa, Queen Latifah and TLC absolutely deserve induction, and I think that Queen Latifah would get in on her "icon" status the first time she's nominated, but Missy seems like a sure shot.

Posted by DC on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 15:56pm

DC,

Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Beck, Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Roberta Flack, Billy Idol, Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, Lenny Kravitz, Cyndi Lauper, New York Dolls, OutKast, Soundgarden and Dionne Warwick). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 16:33pm

richie's head must be ready to explode. So many people picking lists, it's like paradise for him.

I'm awaiting the resumption of Plebeian 12 days of Christmas first...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 16:40pm

Almost over but don't worry the fun is still continuing!

11. Beck

Origin: Los Angeles, California

Essential Albums:
1. Mellow Gold (1994)
2. Odelay (1996)
3. Mutations (1998)
4. Sea Change (2002)
5. Morning Phase (2014)

Essential Songs:
1. Loser (1994)
2. Where It's At (1996)
3. Devil's Haircut (1996)
4. The Golden Age (2002)
5. E-Pro (2005)

Influence:
John Lennon, Beastie Boys, Sonic Youth

The Legacy:
Gorillaz, LCD Soundsystem, Kesha

A distinct voice in music, Beck proved more than being the Loser guy. He has evolved past typical music boundaries and established himself as a master in the likes of folk, electronic, alt rock, and more. Unlike other 90s acts, he still prevailed to keep showing the world you don't need to be cool to considered be great you just gotta be yourself. He did super poorly (not even a single vote!) but he doesn't care. The Hall needs Beck and his calling will come.

Coming Up!

Hit it Baby!
*Indian beat*

1. The Flaming Lips
2. Pixies
3. Nas
4. War
5. Dead Kennedys
6. Kate Bush
7. Brian Eno
8. Weezer
9. Thin Lizzy
10. George Michael
11. Beck
12. ???

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 19:15pm

Plebeian,

Actually, Beck got two votes last year but still did super poorly, Anyway, What are your predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 19:20pm

If the Hall wants to induct Weird Al, putting him in the Musical Excellence category might be a good way to do it.

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 22:48pm

My Predictions for 2023:

Beck
The B-52s
Big Star
Sonic Youth
The Flaming Lips
Kate Bush
"Weird" Al Yankovic
A Tribe Called Quest
OutKast
Mary J. Blige
Cyndi Lauper
Tears for Fears
Destiny's Child
Sheryl Crow
Oasis
Fela Kuti
New York Dolls
MC5

Posted by Joe V. on Sunday, 12/11/2022 @ 23:48pm

Richie suggested placing my 2022-2023 RRHOF Nominations on this newly opened 2023 site. It makes sense as others are posting their final Nominations.
KING 2022-2023 RRHOF Nominations (20) Final List.
1. Smashing Pumpkins
2. Diana Ross
3. Lenny Kravitz
4. The Bangles
5. Kool & The Gang
6. Bryan Adams
7. Scorpions
8. Mariah Carey
9. INXS
10. A Tribe Called Quest
11. Kate Bush
12. DEVO
13. Iron Maiden
14. Bad Company
15. Phil Collins
16. Soundgarden
17. Motley Crue
18. Salt N Pepa
19. The B-52s
20. Foreigner

Special Awards:
Early Influence (4). MC5, Suzy Quatro, The Marvelettes, The Sonics.

Musical Excellence (4). Chaka Khan, Emmylou Harris, Ronnie James Dio, WAR.
Artists & Groups Seriously Considered And Could Be On The Ballot.

1. Billy Idol
2. Beck
3. King Crimson
4. Los Lobos
5. Procol Harum
6. Cyndi Lauper
7. Ozzy Osbourne
8. New Order/Joy Division
9. Jethro Tull
10. George Michael
11. TLC
12. Jethro Tull
13. Megadeth
14. Ben E. King
15. Chic
Many others also considered. Plenty of great Nominations lists already. Will be interested to see who makes the ballot.
KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 12/12/2022 @ 00:58am

K-Dawg's updated predictions for the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame nominees 2023:

1. Bad Company - They are maligned by some posters, but they are the biggest name of a classic rock band with impeccable credentials not in the Hall of Fame. Paul Rodgers' seminal band needs to get the call.

2. Tori Amos - There is a ton of speculation on which 90s rocker lady will go in first, now that Pat Benatar has closed the door on the 80s. Tori was a huge part of the Lilith Fair, and she has the influence

3. Motley Crue - It hasn't been forgotten how they were (in some views) screwed out of the fan vote. They definitely will get another crack

4. TLC - I'm predicting the first hip hop female act will be this trio-turned-duo, who have stayed together even after Left Eye's tragic death 20 years ago.

5. Cyndi Lauper - the closest thing to a slam dunk for FYI, Cyndi clearly has both the public eye and the influence to get the call

6. Joy Division/New Order - with Duran Duran and the Eurythmics both entering, there's a vacuum on the ballot. These guys have been waiting long enough, and the trend is to induct the British new wave bands the past few years, so I'm going to put them above INXS and the B-52s for chances, but that doesn't mean the next nom won't be..

7. The B-52s - A huge year as they are wrapping up their farewell tour, the pioneers of college rock and LGBTQ darlings are all but guaranteed to have momentum

8. Iron Maiden - Now that Priest is in, their brethren in metal are only all but assured to see the bright lights of Cleveland sooner than later. The only question is, will the get ME'ed?

9. The Monkees - The last remaining totally 60s rock n roll act to not get in, and their influence cannot be ignored. I don't know what the issue has been for them not getting in 25 years ago. Micky Dolenz is the only one left, and correct this oversight before he's gone, RRHOF

10. Foreigner - You know they like the 70s rockers, and Foreigner's credentials give the rock populists a name to glom onto

11. Rage Against the Machine - will be a perpetual nominee until they are shoehorned in

12. Smashing Pumpkins - I saw them as easy favorites to get in once NIN and Radiohead were inducted, but it's getting hard to see when their turn will come. This might not be their year, but it is coming

13. A Trybe Called Quest - rap supergroups are going in slowly but surely.

14. Chaka Khan (either solo or with Rufus) - She'll get another chance or 2 before they put her in ME

15. Phil Collins - for all the ramblings about solo artists getting dual noms, put this poor guy in the deserved 2nd time

16. Willie Nelson - Yes, I'm predicting him to get a shot now that Dolly cracked the door. The country influence should end with him, at least until Shania Twain or Lee Ann Rimes (or Taylor Swift) makes a case

17. The Buzzcocks - Another punk band, and they don't get mentioned too often. Curious why

18. The Spinners - I'm gonna make a call that they're gonna get side-doored in this year. They're on my predictions because I hope I'm wrong and they go in the right way, like Kraftwerk and Priest should have, but at this point you take what you can get.

19. Mariah Carey - It's a big maybe, less sure of it than I was 6 months ago. She's got too much competition both in terms of female and pop/hip hop, but with Christmas coming, she always is in the conversation

20. Soundgarden - if the Pumpkins don't make a first appearance on the ballot, look for Soundgarden to make a return. There's just too many genres to give a clear path to.

I might revisit this to make sure I have all the genres covered, but I do see a dead end to the 70s female songwriter trend at this point...

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 12/12/2022 @ 03:20am

Biggest deal would probably be Kate Bush showing up/performing. Most likely would be Oasis reuniting for Induction. All 3 are VERY unlikely to happen, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 12/12/2022 @ 06:33am

So I'm seeing foreigner and bad company mentioned a fair bit but I want to pitch something.

Journey got in largely thanks to "don't stop believing" being an eternal meme anthem thanks to glee and the sopranos. Foreigner and Bad Company lack such a song. However, Boston (a band I picked) and blue oyster cult do. With the changing culture of the hall's nomcom might Boston and BOC be in better positions for a nomination than bad company or foreigner?

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 12/12/2022 @ 12:48pm

My predictions for 2023, such as I'm thinking about them now:

The B-52s
Kate Bush
Phil Collins
Sheryl Crow
Devo
Missy Elliott
Iron Maiden
Lenny Kravitz
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
The Monkees
New York Dolls
Rage Against the Machine
Diana Ross
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick

Posted by Ian on Monday, 12/12/2022 @ 13:13pm

Ian,

Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Kate Bush, Phil Collins, Sheryl Crow, Devo, Missy Elliott, Iron Maiden, Lenny Kravitz, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, The Monkees, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Diana Ross, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/12/2022 @ 13:39pm

Now onto the final one! We had fun again this time of year but it must come to an end!

12. Missy Elliott

Origin: Portsmouth, Virginia

Essential Albums:
1. Supa Dupa Fly (1997)
2. Miss E…So Addictive (2001)
3. Under Construction (2002)

Essential Songs:
1. The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly) (1997)
2. Get Yer Freak On (2001)
3. Work It (2002)
4. Oops (Oh My) (2002)
5. Lose Control (2005)

Influence:
Chaka Khan, Queen Latifah, Salt-N-Pepa

The Legacy:
Nicki Minaj, Lizzo, Cardi B

In the dawn of the new millennium, it seemed the female pioneers of hip-hop were no more. Queen Latifah went on to star in movies, SNP were Behind The Music material, and most female artists of their caliber went to R&B. That is when Missy Elliot arrived. From the dirty south, she was a trailblazer for more female rappers and expanded her talent via producing and guest starring for Aaliyah, Big Boi, and more. She may have had a short reign as one of the dominant rappers of the 2000s, but no less has her impact inspired many female artists for years to come. Maybe or maybe not could she be FYN for the Hall but only time will tell.

Well, that's a wrap! Compared to last year's it seems my palette has expanded since. I hope you all enjoyed the journey and anticipation. Here's my rankings of the 12 artists I spotlighted.

A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

No S-Tiers this year

A: Pixies, Beck, Brian Eno, Missy Elliott

B: Kate Bush, Weezer, Nas

C: Thin Lizzy, The Flaming Lips, Dead Kennedys, George Michael, War

Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year!

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 12/12/2022 @ 17:02pm

https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/rage-against-the-machine-tim-commerford-prostate-cancer-1235185219/

Did you hear that Rage Against The Machine's Tim Commerford has been diagnosed with prostate cancer, I know that RATM has been nominated nearly every year since they became eligible, but I was wondering that Tim Commerford's cancer diagnosis will help them get their fifth nomination in six years and finally get elected with a sympathy vote on their fifth try?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/12/2022 @ 17:16pm

Mat R,

Now wait a minute. You say Journey got in largely thanks to "don't stop believing" being an eternal meme anthem thanks to glee and the sopranos. I don't think anybody my age would think that. I was 16 at the exact time Journey Escape was released. Journey during 1981 and alll through the 80s were known for the whole album Escape. It was followed by Frontiers. I know this because I was in high school when they were releaased, It seems like History has gotten distorted. The career of Journey continued for awhile. No Thats Not what happened. I am NOT sure howw old you are. but I know that almost all people my actual age that were in high school 1980-84 would NOT say that. They were inducted to catch up on Arena rock in 2017. In fact my fav Journey song is Who's Crying Now. This may Not make sense to you. It depends largely on what years you were in High school. I am sorry to oppose your opinion.
Def Leppard were inducted for similar reasons with Arena Rock success, I do however agree that Boston and Blue Oyster Cult stand a veryyy good chance for nominations. So perhaps you can tell me when yu were in High school. I am class of 1983. Nobody from my high School would peg one song to an arena rock band. Sorry for the difference of opinion God Bless yu

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/12/2022 @ 22:56pm

In light of the Tim Commerford news I have adjusted cause Tom is on the nomcom and I will explain

Back for number 5
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Rage Against the Machine

Back for number 4
Devo
Kate Bush
New York Dolls

Back for number 2
Los Lobos
Eric B and Rakim
Beck

Debuts
'Weird' Al Yankovich
Mariah Carey
Destiny's Child
Bryan Adams
Dr. Dre
Sheryl Crow
Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman
Modest Mouse

I think Tom wants in and wants his band in and will push for basically an open lane. Rage with no hard rock and massive bands on the ballot can walk in.

New York Dolls, Los Lobos, Devo are bands that don't really pose a threat to them so I think they'll remain (MC5 are a maybe). I think the Hall will still want a new band present and rather the put someone who will drain the alternative vote (eg Pixies, Soundgarden, Oasis) they'll go with someone who won't but still sends a message about what's coming up (Modest Mouse). Despite this they'll still want to reach out to classic rock in a serious way after kind of skipping it in 2022 and Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman do that in a fitting way.

Class: Rufus with Chaka Khan, Rage Against the Machine, Mariah Carey, Bryan Adams, Dr. Dre, Sheryl Crow, Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman, Destiny's Child with Devo getting Musical Excellence

Posted by mat r on Monday, 12/12/2022 @ 23:28pm

Mat R,

Sorry about that with Journey, Its just that I was there during the early 1980s and thats Not how it was. Dont Stop Believing was Not their only song. Journey were inducted for their Arena rock work in general. Wheel in the Sky, Any way You Want it, STone in Love are all known songs.
NOW with regards to a major band of about 15 years later Rage Against the Machine. I may have to adjust tooo so I include them. I was not aware one of the members had any health trouble. Since Tom Morello sits on the commmittee and Im sure wants his band inducted. I know what I can do,

The B52s
Kate Bush
Tracy Chapman
Mariah Carey
Sheryl Crow
Destiny's Child
Billy Idol
Inxs
Iron Maiden
Jethro Tull
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
Outkast
Rage Against the Machine
The Smiths
Soundgarden
Tears for Fears
Thin Lizzy

This includes Rage Against TM and also the Hall will return to Classic rock in some serious way. NOT Meat loaf though.I go with Jethro Tull and Thin Lizzy

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/13/2022 @ 01:05am

Mat R,

Sorry about that with Journey, Its just that I was there during the early 1980s and thats Not how it was. Dont Stop Believing was Not their only song. Journey were inducted for their Arena rock work in general. Wheel in the Sky, Any way You Want it, STone in Love are all known songs.
NOW with regards to a major band of about 15 years later Rage Against the Machine. I may have to adjust tooo so I include them. I was not aware one of the members had any health trouble. Since Tom Morello sits on the commmittee and Im sure wants his band inducted. I know what I can do,

The B52s
Kate Bush
Tracy Chapman
Mariah Carey
Sheryl Crow
Destiny's Child
Billy Idol
Inxs
Iron Maiden
Jethro Tull
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
Outkast
Rage Against the Machine
The Smiths
Soundgarden
Tears for Fears
Thin Lizzy

This includes Rage Against TM and also the Hall will return to Classic rock in some serious way. NOT Meat loaf though.I go with Jethro Tull and Thin Lizzy

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/13/2022 @ 01:05am

Hopeful 2023 nominations:
The Monkees-Please listen to their albums before dismissing their music
Diana Ross-Her 1980 I'm Coming Out anthem
War-so many great songs; Eric Burdon in twice
Nick Drake-amazing stuff that sounds better every year
Chubby Checker-fun music
Willie Nelson-kick ass attitude
Warren Zevon-send lawyers, guns, and money to get him in the Hall

Early Influence: Cab Calloway
Non-performer: Casey Kasem, Don Cornelius

Posted by Frank on Tuesday, 12/13/2022 @ 04:57am

So if you guys remember a while back, I made was is essentially a fan vote simulator with the nominees consisting of predicted artists everyone seemed to agree on. These artists were:
A Tribe Called Quest
Kate Bush
The B-52s
Mary J Blige
Cher
Cyndi Lauper
Chaka Khan
Devo
Missy Elliot
Fela Kuti
George Michael
INXS
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson
Outkast
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
Dionne Warwick

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 12/13/2022 @ 13:45pm

Plebeian,

What are your predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/13/2022 @ 16:53pm

Freakin Dark Brandob playing true colors while signing into law a bill that protects gay and interracial marriage now I might have to update again.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 12/13/2022 @ 22:12pm

Regarding the 12 days of Christmas, from Plebeian:


1. The Flaming Lips
2. Pixies
3. Nas
4. War
5. Dead Kennedys
6. Kate Bush
7. Brian Eno
8. Weezer
9. Thin Lizzy
10. George Michael
11. Beck
12. Missy Elliott

A fairly good list, dude. I gotta admit, some of the later names are ones that have been the subjects of much speculation. Some of them are interchangeable, like Missy (obviously), Think Lizzy and Weezer. I do especially like the picks like Flaming Lips, Nas, and the Dead Kennedys. The other dark horse I was hoping you would mention was Sonic Youth. They are criminally forgotten, and have never gotten the airplay they deserve. A very nice respite from the tread over and over discussion of strictly nominees lists and predictions.

Mat r and Ben,

As far as the signature song relevance and contemporaneous influence goes, there is a fine line to it. Journey got in because of popularity of their songs, of which Don't Stop Believin and Separate Ways get played to death on terrestrial radio. Kate Bush does cross some boxes because of Running Up That Hill being on Stranger Things. And, as Mat R just mentioned about True Colors, I think and will continue to until proven different, that Cyndi Lauper is a shoo-in this year since they love the 80s so much at the moment, and her persona then and now was one that was accepted by those that loved alternative lifestyles. This is why the B52s are in the conversation as well. And, I know they haven't been mentioned a ton here, but don't count out Boy George and the Culture Club either. I'm kind of surprised, since any act of the 80s that has even a passing bit of success during those 120 months seems to be deserving in some eyes, that the Karma Chameleon and his group haven't been named.

As far as "signature songs" go, I would argue Bad Company probably is best known for Rock N Roll Fantasy. Shooting Star and Feel Like Makin Love are also landmark ballads, but I can see those being lost in the shuffle of radio airplay. And Foreigner has "I Want to Know What Love Is", "Urgent" and "Jukebox Hero" entrenched in the 80s to not pigeonhole them as a 70s rock band, while songs like "Cold as Ice" and "Head Games" are 70s anthems. They are definitely a child of both decades..

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 12/13/2022 @ 22:26pm

Mat R,

What are your updated predictions for the 2023 nominees with the news of True Colors playing while signing into law a bill that protects gay and interracial marriage?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/13/2022 @ 22:52pm

I might have to sub out one of Rufus, 'Weird' Al Yankovich, Bryan Adams, or Sheryl Crow for Cyndi Lauper. I figured they'd want to avoid going too pop but when the president has you sing as he signs a historic piece of legislation into place and you're a major contender it's kinda hard to say it won't happen unless the Rock Hall are evil.

Side note: I stand by thinking Meat Load as the classic rock pick.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 12/13/2022 @ 23:18pm

Mat R,

I think you should sub Bryan Adams for Cyndi Lauper, because Cyndi is far more deserving of induction as an 80's icon than Bryan.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/13/2022 @ 23:20pm

K-Dawg.
Its always cool seeing you on here, As far as "signature songs" go, I would say Bad Company you could say are best known for Rock N Roll Fantasy. Shooting Star and Feel Like Makin Love are also landmark ballads, There is also Can't Get Enough. And Foreigner has "I Want to Know What Love Is", "Urgent" and "Jukebox Hero" give them prescence in the 80s to not pigeonhole them as a 70s rock band, while songs like "Cold as Ice" and "Head Games" are 70s anthems. I should know I lived in those times. I can tell you that Head Games was played a lot on rock radio during 1979. It was NOT actually a Top 10 hit. Foreigner had success all the way to 1987.They broke up for a time after that. At the time I preferred this arena rock to all the Punk and New wave. BUT Mat R has pointed out that both Foreigner and Bad Company have shown Republican conservative tendencies in the last 5 years. This runs their chances a bit

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 02:11am

Dark Brandon plays the long game.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 05:28am

I don't think political beliefs or controversies have anything to do with anyone not going in. I really think that they look at the career. It may seem that most of their picks have been safe ones. Unless someone on the nominating committee or a voter comes out and says that they consider stuff like that I'm not going to dismiss their chances.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 08:15am

Mat R,

Please keep Rufus, "Weird Al" and Sheryl Crow on your predictions list, but sub out Bryan Adams for Cyndi Lauper, because Cyndi is far more deserving of a nomination and an induction as an 80's icon than Bryan by far, Please sub out Bryan Adams for Cyndi Lauper.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 09:08am

Richie

I'm leaning to subbing out Sheryl

I think the hall wants them Canadian tourism dollars post pandemic and Adams is having a moment

Also easier for the hall to get rage in without her

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 09:23am

Mat R,

Yes, but if you do want to throw a name out there that's Canadian and I know that you will not agree with me on this, but I would mention Celine Dion, Yes, I know that she's not a critical favorite by any means, but you can't deny her massive record sales and global popularity, On top of that with the news last week that she was diagnosed with a rare neurological disorder called Stiff Person Syndrome and may never be able to perform again, So if you do want to throw Celine's name in the mix because of the news of her illness, Go right ahead.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 09:31am

Richie

Celine would be such a grave violation of the Hall's mission that it would prove the critics of the hall right not to mention the myth of her popularity has largely been debunked

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 10:09am

Mat R,

So if your updated predictions for the 2023 nominees are Bryan Adams, Beck, Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Destiny's Child, Devo, Dr. Dre, Eric B. & Rakim, Cyndi Lauper, Meat Loaf, Los Lobos, Modest Mouse, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan and "Weird Al" Yankovic. Which ones do you see being inducted (If somehow 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 10:16am

If 8 either Beck or weird Al gets the 8th spot

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 13:57pm

Mat R,
I agree with you about Celine Dion. She is just too associated with EASY LISTENING. She is NOT even heralded as a songwriter like Carole King and Randy Newman. She is just a Supeor polluter mellow artist

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 14:16pm

Mat R,

What are your updated predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 14:59pm

The Fabulous Thunderbirds?

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 16:00pm

Mariah Carey
Dr. Dre
Bryan Adams
Rage Against the Machine
Cyndi Lauper
Meat Loaf
Destiny's Child

Musical Excellence: Devo, Carol Kaye

Early Influence: Big Mama Thornton, Salt-N-Pepa

Ahmet Ertegun: Brian Slagel, Hype Williams

Fantasy add-on that they should probably do cause they clearly want to

Bob Marley International Award: Fela Kuti, The Wailers, The Guess Who, Serge Gainsbourg, Kyu Sakamoto, My Bloody Valentine

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 21:08pm

Mat R,

What are your updated predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/14/2022 @ 21:17pm

I will Now Re state my Predictions for 2023 and add the Special Categories.
Nominees

The B52s
Kate Bush
Tracy Chapman
Mariah Carey
Sheryl Crow
Destiny Child
Billy Idol
Inxs
Iron Maiden
Jethro Tull
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
Rage Against the Machine
The Smiths
Soundgarden
Tears for Fears
Thin Lizzy
Weezer

Musical Excellence: Iron Maiden, Teddy Riley

Early Influence: Tony Bennett, The Diamonds

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 02:20am

I will Now Re state my Predictions for 2023 and add the Special Categories.
Nominees

The B52s
Kate Bush
Tracy Chapman
Mariah Carey
Sheryl Crow
Destiny Child
Billy Idol
Inxs
Iron Maiden
Jethro Tull
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
Rage Against the Machine
The Smiths
Soundgarden
Tears for Fears
Thin Lizzy
Weezer

Musical Excellence: Iron Maiden, Teddy Riley

Early Influence: Tony Bennett, The Diamonds

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 02:20am

Mat R,

What are your updated predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 11:04am

Belated look at the end of Plebiean's 12 days.

I know a lot of people on this site support a Thin Lizzy induction, but they fall just short for me and I think for the voters as well. Phil Lynott is a respected figure in rock and they've got a few notable songs, but nothing that really puts them over the top as a Hall of Fame band.

I'm predicting a George Michael nom for this year and certainly expect one in the next few years. The way he took control of his career and transformed his image was landmark and paved the way for what we see happening with so many other artists now. On top of his musical success, he also became an LGBTQ+ icon. Once nominated he will get in and artists will be lining up to perform the tribute to him.

At one time I thought Beck would be a FYE artist, but I see that I overestimated his appeal. Still he's one the most unique artists in the history of music and managed to enjoy significant success without sacrificing his artistic vision. Definitely will be inducted someday.

Missy Elliott will also be inducted eventually, but I don't quite see it in her first year of eligibility. Roxanne Shante, Salt-N-Pepa, Queen Latifah and others paved the way and some of them should receive recognition before Missy. I'm down with an induction when she does get nominated though and she will slay her performance.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 11:38am

2023 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME PREDICATIONS


NOMINEES PREDICATIONS

A TRIBE CALLED QUEST

THE B-52'S

BARRY WHITE

BJORK

DAVE MATTHEWS BAND

DEVO

DIANA ROSS

EMERSON, LAKE AND PALMER

ERIC B. AND RAKIM

GRAM PARSONS

HARRY NILSSON

IRON MAIDEN

JOHN PRINE

KATE BUSH

MANFRED MANN

MC5'S

THE MONKEES

MOTLEY CRUE

MOTORHEAD

NEW YORK DOLLS

OZZY OSBOURNE

PHIL COLLINS

PIXIES

PROCOL HARUM

THE REPLACEMENTS

RUFUS WITH CHAKA KHAN

SALT N PEPA

SONIC YOUTH

SOUNDGARDEN

STEPPENWOLF

THIN LIZZY

WAR


SENIOR NOMINEES PREDICATIONS

THE BIG BOPPER

BIG MAMA THORNTON

BLIND LEMON JEFFERSON

CHUBBY CHECKER

CHUCK WILLIS

DIONNE WARWICK

THE DOMINOES

ELLA FITZGERALD

JOHN COLTRANE

LINK WRAY AND THE RAYMEN

THE MARVELETTES

MISSISSIPPI FRED McDOWELL

PATSY CLINE

PETULA CLARK

THE SPINNERS

WILLIE NELSON

Posted by Dan Windler on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 15:57pm

The furthest back class where more than half the inductees are alive has lost a member. Also, for some reason I accidently erased John Hartman for the 2020 list so here's everyone again.

Since the ceremony, Christine McVee, Tommy Facenda, Jim Stewart, and Dino Danelli have died.

Living Members of Each Class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 7/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 21/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1998: 18/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 14/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2003: 16/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, and Bill Medley)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 27/70 (Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 18/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)
2022: 25/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, and Elizabeth Cotten)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 16:13pm

Time to throw out a monkeywrench into the noms again and see what people think.

Boy George and Culture Club. I mentioned them in passing in a previous post, but does anyone think they are HOF worthy, either due to their influence and contributions, or possibly as a side effect of the focus on the current social situations and evolving attitudes towards alternative lifestyles?

I'm on the fence personally, but I can see how they could fall into comparisons with Cyndi Lauper, George Michael and the B-52s...they had some success, but are forgotten in all the chatter

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 16:30pm

My updated predictions;

A Tribe Called Quest
The B-52s
Mary J. Blige
Kate Bush
Mariah Carey
Cher
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Foreigner
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Fela Kuti
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
OutKast
Diana Ross
Soundgarden
Sheryl Crow
Black Flag
Warren Zevon

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 21:01pm

K-dawg

Culture club are weird cause they're catalogue is so weak and no one remembers any of it beyond two REALLY famous songs that are both kind of bad but also beloved but also hated. Like boy George is an all out icon but is kind of better known for being boy George of tabloid fame than being in culture club.

I don't think they have much influence but like Brendon Urie and Tyler, the Creator have lifted fashion from Boy George.

I don't think they could get in but I wouldn't be shocked if they did. It's weird.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 21:02pm

Greg F,

Out of your updated predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Black Flag, Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Cher, Sheryl Crow, Foreigner, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Fela Kuti, Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson, OutKast, Diana Ross, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Soundgarden, A Tribe Called Quest and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If somehow 8 inductees) and Which ones do you see as spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 21:29pm

My picks for most likely inductees in the side categories (cause I'm bored)

Let me know what you think

Top 15 for the Award for Musical Excellence
- Devo
- Kate Bush
- Carol Kaye
- Fela Kuti
- Steve Albini (of Big Black)
- Klaus Voormann
- Al Kooper
- J Dilla (of Slum Village)
- The J.B.'s
- The Meters
- Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois
- Ben E. King
- Joe Tex
- Ronnie James Dio (of Dio, Black Sabbath, Rainbow, and Elf)
- Brett Gurewitz (of Bad Religion and founder of Epitaph Records)

Top 15 for Early Influence (pre-rock or non-rock)
- Big Mama Thornton
- Light Crust Doughboys
- The Carter Family
- Cole Porter
- John Coltrane
- Wendy Carlos
- Moon Mullican
- Count Basie
- Roy Brown
- Frank Sinatra
- Hart Wand
- Chuck Willis
- Hank Snow
- Buddy Rich

Top 15 for Early Influence (after rock)
- Cliff Richard
- MC5
- New York Dolls
- Boogie Down Productions
- Blue Cheer
- The Kingsmen
- Mary Wells
- Link Wray
- Sonic Youth
- Salt-N-Pepa
- The Shangri-Las
- DJ Cool Herc
- Screamin Jay Hawkins
- Ronnie Hawkins
- Grace Jones

Top 15 for the Ahmet Ertegun Award
- Brian Slagel (founder of Metal Blade Records)
- Hype Williams (music video director)
- David Fincher (music video director)
- Estelle Axton (founder Stax Records)
- Bernie Taupin (songwriter)
- Bob Ezrin (producer)
- Sean Combs (rapper, producer, founder of Bad Boy Records and Revolt TV)
- Tony Wilson (founder of Factory Records and broadcaster)
- Annie Nightingale (longest serving DJ at BBC)
- Jody Gerson (first woman to head a major record label and current head of Universal Music Publishing Group)
- Rick Rubin (producer, founder of Def Jam and American Recordings)
- Diane Warren (songwriter)
- Robert Pittman (founder of MTV and iHeartMedia)
- Robert Christgau (critic)
- Max Martin (songwriter and producer)

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 12/15/2022 @ 23:59pm

Mat R,

I like your special category picks but one Main question. What happened to Tony Bennett? Yu suggested him and inspired me to pick him for an Early Influence. for 2023.
Also I am Not aquainted with Light Crust Doughboys and Moon Mullican, Also Hart Wand. I never heard of them. But they could be great talents Pre Rock era. Maybe MY Dad knew them. The Light Crust Doughboys sound famliar as being a Western Swing band. of the 1930s. Id Like to know more about them and the other 2. You should respond

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/16/2022 @ 01:43am

Mar R,

There's a lot of great names on that list. I would add Patsy Cline and Odetta to Influences, and Lee "Scratch" Perry and Glen Campbell to Musical Excellence.

Posted by DC on Friday, 12/16/2022 @ 04:17am

Ben

tony Bennett is tricky cause I think they might try him on a ballot and that he might actually get in (people pretty legit like the guy). Everyone I listed I suspect wouldn't get in on the ballot.

And yea light dough boys and moon are western swing acts. Ward is the first artist to actually record and publish blues music...the only hold up with him is he's white so authorship might not be what it seems as we've seen in other cases when it comes to white guys and the early blues.

DC

Forgot about Patsy would probably swap out ward with her (cause of previously mentioned authorship stuff)

Lee Perry i had but when I thought of Brett Gurewitz I felt I had to bump someone and Lee honestly seemed the most bumpable. They really need an international category

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 12/16/2022 @ 09:59am

Mat R,

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Beck
Mariah Carey
Destiny's Child
Dr. Dre
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against The Machine

Musical Excellence:

Devo
Carol Kaye

Early Influence:

Salt-N-Pepa
Big Mama Thornton

As much as I love Bryan Adams and Meat Loaf, I just don't think either of them are HOF worthy, I think that there are far other Classic Rock and MTV acts that are much more deserving of a nomination and an induction than Bryan and Meat, So for that reason, I just don't see either of them ever getting nominated (let alone being inducted) IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/16/2022 @ 11:14am

Plebeian, RG and Michael W,

What are your predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/16/2022 @ 18:31pm

Kate Bush
Cyndi Lauper
Joy Division/New Order
Bad Company
Outkast
Salt-n-Pepa
Willie Nelson
George Michael
Iron Maiden
the B-52's
the Monkees
the Carpenters
The Jam
Ian Hunter/Mott the Hoople
War
Suzi Quatro
Muse
Warren Zevon
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Friday, 12/16/2022 @ 20:18pm

Eric Tompkins,

Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Bad Company, Kate Bush, The Carpenters, Ian Hunter/Mott The Hoople, Iron Maiden, The Jam, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, The Monkees, Muse, Willie Nelson, OutKast, Suzi Quatro, Salt-N-Pepa, A Tribe Called Quest, War and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/16/2022 @ 20:38pm

Kate Bush
Cyndi Lauper
Bad Company
OutKast
George Michael
Willie Nelson
the B-52's

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Friday, 12/16/2022 @ 22:58pm

Richie

I hear ya but I disagree

Bryan Adams is super popular. He has at least 10 songs that are still in heavy rotation between classic rock and adult contemporary radio and playlists plus even if he's kind of fallen off in America he's still massive in Canada and Europe (like selling out 10k arenas). He's been given dozens royal orders between Canada and the UK, been nominated for 3 Oscars and an Emmy, won a Grammy, is the second most decorated artist in Juno Award history, and is already in several Hall of Fames. He's also managed to become the ROCK photographer shooting everyone's magazine covers (he's been given honours for photographing rock stars). Him not being a Rock N Roll Hall of Famer is weird.

Meat Loaf would have been in a while ago but I actually politics kept him out during the Trump years (aka classic rock radio heyday). Bat Out of Hell is a massive record. It sold like 45m units (14m in the US), is on the RS 500, and it doesn't even have his biggest song on it. The sequel album sold extremely well as well (5m in the US and 15m worldwide). When you've got two mega platinum albums (one on the Rolling Stone 500) and 8 other albums that went gold or platinum between the US, UK, Canada, and Australia there is very little reason not to have been inducted and that's not mentioning Rocky Horror.

Now regarding your picks I don't think Beck gets in yet although Beck getting in the same year as Beyonce would be funny given their history when it comes to awards.

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 12/17/2022 @ 00:25am

Mat R,

The reason why that I think that Beck would get in from your list is because Radiohead got in on their second nomination and they're also labeled as one-hit wonders just like Beck and they're also the most critically acclaimed act from the 90's other than Beck, and both Radiohead and Beck have remained relevant throughout the years as well, so I think that Beck has a good chance of getting in on his second try just like Radiohead did, I see Beck being far more likely to get in than Bryan Adams and Meat Loaf, As I've said it before, I just don't think either Bryan or Meat are HOF worthy, I think that there are far other Classic Rock and MTV acts that are far more deserving of a nomination and an induction than Bryan and Meat, So for that reason, I just don't see either of them ever getting nominated (let alone being inducted) IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/17/2022 @ 08:50am

Mat R,

There's one more thing that I forgot to add about Beck, plus getting both Beck and Rage Against The Machine in in the same year would be a breakthrough moment for 90's Rock/Alternative/Grunge and it would all but guarantee another Soundgarden nomination and this time, induction the very next year in 2024.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/17/2022 @ 08:59am

Richie

What makes you think meat loaf isn't hall of fame worthy? Like I have to ask.

-He had a 14xPlatinum album that was listed on the Rolling Stone 500.
-He had a #1 single in the MTV era on an album that went 5xPlatinum
-He had a number of gold or platinum albums (including in the US)
-He's massively influential in heartland rock, metal, theatrical rock, music videos, adult contemporary

Like I can get an argument against Adams but Meat Loaf, in other than politics (he was like Nugent light in a lot of way...oddly he was Nugent's singer for a time), there isn't really a good argument for why not. Like he did more than Carly Simon and Duran Duran. So why don't you think he should go in?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 12/17/2022 @ 11:35am

Mat R,

I think that there are far other Classic Rock acts that are far more deserving of a nomination and an induction than Meat like Bad Company, Foreigner, Jethro Tull, Boston, The Monkees, Motley Crue and Thin Lizzy. So for that reason, I just don't see Meat ever getting nominated (let alone being inducted) IMO.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/17/2022 @ 11:55am

Richie

Again why? He's bigger and more acclaimed than all of those artists you mentioned

So why

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 12/17/2022 @ 12:03pm

Mat R,

I just think that all of those acts that I mentioned (Bad Company, Foreigner, Jethro Tull, Boston, The Monkees, Motley Crue and Thin Lizzy) are much more likely to get nominated and inducted than Meat, So that's the reason why I think that Bad Company, Foreigner, Jethro Tull, Boston, The Monkees, Motley Crue and Thin Lizzy are far more likely than Meat IMO.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/17/2022 @ 12:09pm

Did you hear that Dionne Warwick has a new documentary airing on CNN on New Year's Day called Dionne Warwick: Don't Make Me Over, We all know that the Rock Hall loves their documentaries, So do you guys think that Dionne's new documentary on CNN will help her get her third straight nomination and this time, help her get elected on her third try?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/17/2022 @ 20:15pm

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/17/2022 @ 22:28pm

Mat R,
I am an all Time Jethro Tull fan and regret that they are Not inducted after alll this time. Combining the Old rock acts mentioned with this chat. I think both Jethro Tull and Meat Loaf have a good chance to at least get a start with nomination. Those are both worthy. Meat Loaf was bigger than Bad Company and Foreigner. Just NOT Jethro Tull. In fact Jethro Tull and Meat Loaf may be nominated for 2023 or 2024. Ohh I think the Monkees will go as Early Influence. Boston and Thin Lizzy Musical Excellence. ANd Motley Crue I think will go as Performer But Not until about 2030. And so similar to your view I say Its Jethro Tull and meat Loaf that are very worthy.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/18/2022 @ 02:45am

Mat R,
I am an all Time Jethro Tull fan and regret that they are Not inducted after alll this time. Combining the Old rock acts mentioned with this chat. I think both Jethro Tull and Meat Loaf have a good chance to at least get a start with nomination. Those are both worthy. Meat Loaf was bigger than Bad Company and Foreigner. Just NOT Jethro Tull. In fact Jethro Tull and Meat Loaf may be nominated for 2023 or 2024. Ohh I think the Monkees will go as Early Influence. Boston and Thin Lizzy Musical Excellence. ANd Motley Crue I think will go as Performer But Not until about 2030. And so similar to your view I say Its Jethro Tull and meat Loaf that are very worthy.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/18/2022 @ 02:45am

Mat R,

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Bryan Adams
Beck
Mariah Carey
Destiny's Child
Dr. Dre
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against The Machine

Musical Excellence:

Devo
Carol Kaye

Early Influence:

Salt-N-Pepa
Big Mama Thornton

As much as I love Meat Loaf, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy, I think that there are other Classic Rock acts that are much more deserving of a nomination and an induction than Meat like Bad Company, Foreigner, Jethro Tull, Boston, The Monkees, Motley Crue and Thin Lizzy, So for that reason, I just don't see him ever getting nominated (let alone being inducted) IMO.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/18/2022 @ 11:35am

Songwriters Hall Of Fame 2023 Nominees For Induction Announced

https://www.songhall.org/news/view/songwriters_hall_of_fame_2023_nominees_for_induction_announced

Non-Performers

Roger Nichols
Franne Golde
Tom Snow
Dean Pitchford
Glen Ballard
Teddy Riley
Dean Dillon
Liz Rose

Bobby Hart / Tommy Boyce
Dan Penn / Spooner Oldham
Sandy Linzer / Denny Randell
Lynn Ahrens / Stephen Flaherty

Performers

Jeff Lynne
Patti Smith
Steve Winwood
Gloria Estefan
Bryan Adams
Vince Gill
Sade
Snoop Dog

R.E.M
Blondie
Heart
The Doobie Brothers


Voters are required to vote for 3 Non-Performers and 2 Performers.

Unlike the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, you can vote on who gets inducted into The Songwriters Hall Of Fame every year. If you are not a member of the music industry, you only qualify for Lifetime Membership, which will cost you a one-time payment of $1000.00. You will receive the ballot in your mailbox every year and you can attend the ceremonies. Here is the application to become a member:

https://www.songhall.org/join

Lifetime Membership Form

https://www.songhall.org/join/checkout/lifetime

The Old Way

https://www.songhall.org/forms/shof_membership.pdf

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12/18/2022 @ 12:39pm

Anyone else feel like 'who is the rap nominee?' is the most interesting question about 2023?

2020 to 2022 were kind of settled with biggy, jay, and Eminem and with ll cool j now in there no real reason not to deal with the backlog. However as 2021 and 2022 voters aren't yet ready to induct two rap acts.

The backlog is now also stacked with previous nominees a tribe called quest and Eric B and rakim, not yet nominated Nas, Snoop Dogg, Outkast, wu-tang clan, ice t, lil Kim, DMX, Busta rhymes, salt-n-pepa, queen latifah, and de la soul, the newly eligible missy Elliott and Sean Combs, and the already inducted but def should get in twice dr. Dre and ice cube.

That is a deep list anyone really could be nominated

Thoughts?

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 12/18/2022 @ 19:00pm

Mat R,

I'm going to say OutKast for this year in 2023, They're by far the biggest Rap/Hip-Hop snub right now, They're also the biggest Rap/Hip-Hop acts not in yet by far as well, I really think that it's OutKast's year this year, as well as it should be.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/18/2022 @ 19:05pm

I think they need to go more general hip hop. We've been inundated with worthy rap artists, yet the genre is bigger than that. It's why I'm picking TLC to be nominated this year. They even do have a rapper in their trio in the late Left Eye, but I maintain that are an influence that should go in before Missy.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 02:24am

Hope you are right about OutKast, richie. Should have been their year the first year they were eligible!

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 05:39am

Richie

Outkast are definitely a front runner along with Wu-Tang. I'm thinking it'll be Dre because of his involvement the last 2 years but both of them are clear heavyweights. Missy might play the upsetter cause they need a woman rapper inducted but I think they'll pull a Kraftwerk and throw an 80s rap act in as Early Influence and Salt-N-Pepa feel like the front runner there.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 08:27am

Here are the vote totals for last year (based on the real voting tally and the burner account on Twitter):

1. Eurythmics
2. Eminem
3. Pat Benatar
4. Duran Duran
5. Lionel Richie
6. Carly Simon
7. Dolly Parton

8. Dionne Warwick
9. A Tribe Called Quest
10. Rage Against The Machine
11. Fela Kuti
12. Devo
13. Kate Bush
14. Judas Priest (got in via Musical Excellence)
15. Beck
16. MC5
17. New York Dolls

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 11:08am

god that freakin burner account

i know most ruled it off as a prank but what if it was an attempt to force the rock hall to out the results of the vote which happened for the first time ever iirc?

it also did get judas priest sorta right iirc

Posted by mat r on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 11:35am

The nominees draft episode on the Rock in Retrospect podcast was a lot of fun and they had a great discussion of who will likely make the ballot next year. I agreed with most of their choices (not all thou). Have others listened to it?

Posted by Brian R on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 12:32pm

Brian R,

What are your predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 12:54pm

You continuously ask others for their predictions but what exactly do you do with them? It's not like you post a tally of who are the most selected artists from posters and other people who follow the Rock Hall. So I don't understand why you want to know my predictions (which I don't have at the moment).

Posted by Brian R on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 13:00pm

I find it criminal that no one has mentioned Alice in Chains at all. Yes, they have been disrespected and neglected in the past, but that does not mean they can just be glossed over. True grunge legends that deserve to be in the Hall along with the bands that they influenced.

Posted by Cshep on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 16:00pm

Hey Brian,
Which of the Rock in Retrospect choices do you not agree with?

Posted by Raichu on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 18:55pm

Richie & Mat,

I didn't bring this up at the time after the inductees were revealed bc who cares really, but the burner account was def fake all along. The only information they ever volunteered was either

a) extremely vague

b) stuff that could be easily assumed (i.e. Eminem and Duran Duran doing well)

c) lined up with publicly revealed votes, which as we now know are a very small, unrepresentative part of the picture and shouldn't be taken at face value (i.e. Tribe being on track to get in, Carly having little support)

d) inferred from the URL trick. their last tweet was "congrats pb and jp" the night before the reveal, which seems like an accurate leak, but it should be noted that I checked at the time, and Benatar and Priest were the only two artists whose URLs redirected to an Access Denied page.

e) straight up wrong. they kept claiming that the votes were still being counted and verified right up until midnight the night before, when we know from interviews with people involved that the Hall typically finalizes several days in advance so that they can inform the inductees and prepare material for the announcement. but saying "they're still counting the votes so I can't tell you what the final results are yet" is a convenient lie if you want to preserve your credibility until you can "leak" an accurate class from the URL trick. also their "leaked vote counts" had Eurythmics as an also-ran, when we now know for a fact that they got the most votes of any artist.

Not that any of this matters now, but just remember to no longer give this account any attention or benefit of a doubt if they try to do it again this year.

Posted by RG on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 21:07pm

RG,

What are your predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 21:12pm

Rg

It was def fake but I'm more curious about it's motives cause it just being a prank on a niche interest seems like a waste of time of epic proportions. People with links to the hall def were watching it so it was definitely knew where to target and after the actual rankings were revealed for the first time (which is odd timing cause given this account was active).

Colour me conspiracy brained but I'm curious about that. Lol like was someone trying to get some transparency? Cause that's the only way it makes sense

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 21:28pm

tbh I don't think it was anything more complicated than someone in this community with too much time on their hands trying to pointlessly mess with us. I'm confused by the motive as well but some kind of conspiracy feels even more pointless and unlikely.

The rankings being revealed does not feel connected at all, it wasn't an official release, it was just a committee member who mentioned it on their own iirc. Besides, it's not like that account got enough traction to necessitate any kind of response.

Posted by RG on Monday, 12/19/2022 @ 23:47pm

Mat r,

Meat Loaf would have been in a while ago I can picture that. But I do think actually politics kept him out during the Trump years (aka classic rock radio heyday). Bat Out of Hell is a massive record. It sold like 45m units. I just want yu to clarify that since Classic Rock radio has been around for over 35 years. 35 Years ago Ronald Reagan was President. I guess you mean the Gun Ho recent Classic rock Radio with Hotel California Eagles, Same 8 Led Zep songs each day, Free Bird, etc. I like Eagles, Led Zep, Skynyrd but do NOT need the radio for it. Meat Loaf is part of that. I guess they waited until Trump at least was Out.
Back in the late 80s Classic rock radio was a lot more diverse.
I predict Meat Loaf and Jethro Tull to be nominated sooon, What are your thoughts on Jethro Tull? I dont know that

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/20/2022 @ 02:53am

My predictions for the 2023 ballot:

Kate Bush
Buzzcocks
Mariah Carey
Devo
Missy Elliott
INXS
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti
Cyndi Lauper
New York Dolls
Diana Ross
Soundgarden
A Tribe Called Quest
Weezer

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/20/2022 @ 15:01pm

Kate Bush
Dionne Warwick
The B-52s
Missy Elliott
Tommy James & the Shondells
Foreigner
Kook & the Gang
Labelle
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
Pet Shop Boys
Alanis Morissette
Phil Collins
Joe Cocker
OutKast
Neil Sedaka

Posted by Casey on Tuesday, 12/20/2022 @ 20:03pm

K-Dawg.

Which 1970s Rock acts left do feel have the best chance. I am an all Time Jethro Tull fan and regret that they are Not inducted after alll this time. I wanted to mention Old 70s Rock acts to ya. I think both Jethro Tull and Meat Loaf have a good chance to at least get a start with nomination. Those are both worthy. Meat Loaf was bigger than Bad Company and Foreigner. Just NOT Jethro Tull. In fact Jethro Tull and Meat Loaf may be nominated for 2023 or 2024. Bad Company and Foreigner IMO will be nominated later on. And there is of course Blue Oyster Cult. There is a bunch. Respond man

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/21/2022 @ 02:59am

Ben,

that's a very loaded question. I appreciate your take on Meat Loaf, but I don't share your view that he's that big in the minds of the RRHOF nom com. The acts I feel that have the best chance, and I stand by Bad Company, because it's so incomprehensible to me how Paul Rodgers and Mick Ralphs haven't gotten in yet, is that they are such a giant name among 70s bands who have better credentials than half the same genre who have gotten in. Foreigner and Boston are interchangeable because they fill that rock populist niche that the Hall tries to kowtow towards to keep them happy and coming. I think Jethro Tull stands a great chance, IF the RRHOF decides to try to close the door on prog acts from the 70s. The Guess Who are probably headed down a lesser path, as the Monkees can't even crack the nomination list as the last great 60s act even when their members have died off rapidly in the past 8 years. So I'd have to say BC by far is the best chance; others that could see the podium may be BOC, Kansas, or the Scorps, although I pretty much consider their success steeped in the 80s.

I do share the opinion that they will continue to nominate acts from the 70s well into the next decade; it's not their style to abandon a decade ever. I know that some hold the opinion they will move into more contemporary settings, but that's just not their way.

I notice how you phrased the question, 70s "rock acts". I do also believe there are a number of R and B/funk and singer-songwriter (even AM rock) artists who could get a call as well. I've spoken about them at length, but will bring them up again soon.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/21/2022 @ 04:20am

What does everything think is the biggest unknown about the possible ballot?

I feel like we all have a vague idea of what kind of act will appear so what's like that x factor?

I think it's how strong is the desire to have Beyonce inducted cause destiny's child don't really fit into any of the usual hall of fame boxes

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/21/2022 @ 08:51am

Btw the first test of the weird Al's movie is gonna be something the industry takes note of has happened

The big budget Clive Davis produced Whitney Houston biopic is getting trashed and reviews are comparing it to the weird Al's parody biopic.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/21/2022 @ 09:34am

Which acts do you think are viable contenders for induction this year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/21/2022 @ 11:09am

Mat R,

I think it's Kate Bush's status this year. There has been so much buzz about her song being on "Stranger Things" that it's absolutely caught everyone to see if there will be a groundswell to put her in. The RRHOF is at times one to capitalize on current trends, but by no means is it a regular thing.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/21/2022 @ 13:18pm

Mat R,

What are your current predictions for the 2023 nominees and out of your current predictions for the 2023 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/21/2022 @ 19:28pm

K-Dawg,

This may confuse things but I was Never a fan of Meat Loaf. Not back then either. A lot of us don't mention if we dislike an act. I was simply basing it on how huge Bat Out of Hell was. My wife Loves Meat Loaf. I recall during that time that Bat Out of Hell was very huge. I never owned it. Back during that same time I loved a bunch of Bad Company.
But I was thinking the Rock and Roll HOF may be have him in their minds. They go with those huge selling albums of artists. On the other hand I think Bad Company was a lot better, I like Bad Company a lot more. But obviously thats Not a reason to induct them. I predicted Bad Company a few years in a row for nomination. I gave up for 2022. But you know I should pick Bad Company again.
I am glad you agree about Jethro Tull. J Tull Sold lots of albums and toured a lot in the 1970s. Jethro Tull were terrific in the 70s. They reached their height with Aqualung, Thick as a Brick and also A Passion Play. That would be a great way to close up Prog rock in Performer category. I am not sure what will happen to the Guess Who in the Hall. Both them and the Monkees can't crack that nomination list. BOC and Kansas are others that could at least be nominated. That could be soon.
I stay the course that they will continue to nominate acts from the 70s well into the next decade; I am not part of that opinion here that they go with Very contemporary settings Now. They have added several more 80s and 90s. thats whats happened. The 70s will still be part of the plan.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/21/2022 @ 22:37pm

I actually have a weird thought about the Guess Who

It will take two things to get them on the ballot

1) Entering the Canadian era: The Rock Hall has this US/UK orbit and that's going to die soon once either Bryan Adams or Alanis Morissette end up on the ballot or Bob Ezrin get Non-Performer cause they are the start of what will be a trend of a Canadian every 2 or 3 years with Shania Twain, Sarah McLachlan, Avril Lavigne (gonna happen don't deny it), Arcade Fire (they seem to have survived the Win stuff), eventually Nickelback (that's gonna happen 100%), eventually Tegan and Sara, probably Sum 41, probably Broken Social Scene, probably New Pornographers, maybe Simple Plan, plus the FYI of Drake and The Weeknd, and of course Justin Bieber (he'll get in). These people will all acknowledge Canadians who are not in and the Guess Who will be the glaring one so I think it'll happen early on in the Canadian wave (like maybe right after Bryan Adams cause he'll 100% mention them) so the glaring name is The Tragically Hip, a much easier act for the Hall to ignore, or Buffy Sainte-Marie, who is an easy Early Influence induction.

2) Randy Bachman or Burton Cummings dies (as sad as that is). Randy and Burton are both very well liked and respected and one of them dying would probably spark more press coverage than say Meat Loaf or Michael Nesmith largely thanks to "American Woman" still be a classic radio rock standard that's under 10 minutes long (sorry Meat Loaf) and the Canadian media treating it like the death of royal. It would gain notice

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 00:43am

Mat R,

That's cool getting in on this chat that originates with 70s rock acts. Interesting twist with the Guess Who. Yes they are Canadian. You say we are entering the Canadian era: The Rock Hall does have this US/UK mold and that's going to die soon you say once either Bryan Adams or Alanis Morissette end up on the ballot or perhaps some other Canadian cause they are the start of what will be a trend of a Canadian artiist every 2 or 3 years with Shania Twain, Sarah McLachlan, and , eventually Nickelback. I do NOT like Nickelback but I can see that. I think Nickelback are eligible or will be soon, But I think Nickelback gets nominated 2027.These people will all acknowledge Canadians who are not in and the Guess Who will be noticed as an early Canadian Rock artist. So I agree it'll happen early on in the Canadian wave. It would be great having the Guess Who as a Classic rock entry around 2027. Alongside Nickelback in my scenario. Again I do NOT like Nickelback. But this does not affect their nomination. LOL. Nobody will ask my opinion from the Hall. LOL

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 02:50am

The Carpenters
The Guess Who
Erik B and Rakim
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
Smashing Pumpkins
Alanis Morissette

Early Influence: Big Mama Thornton

Posted by akeem on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 12:53pm

If the 2023 nominees happen to be Fiona Apple, Bad Company, Phil Collins, Devo, Nick Drake, Missy Elliott, Melissa Etheridge, Roberta Flack, INXS, Jane's Addiction, Joy Division, Chaka Khan, King Crimson, Living Colour, Megadeth, George Michael, Pet Shop Boys, Soundgarden, Tears For Fears and A Tribe Called Quest. I think the following acts would get inducted:

Bad Company
Phil Collins
Missy Elliott
Roberta Flack
INXS
George Michael
Soundgarden

Devo and Chaka Khan get inducted via Musical Excellence.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 16:25pm

If the 2023 nominees happen to be Alice In Chains, The B-52's, Bad Brains, Kate Bush, Counting Crows, De La Soul, Foreigner, Iron Maiden, The J. Geils Band, Kool & The Gang, Fela Kuti, Los Lobos, Willie Nelson, New Order, Sinead O'Connor, Pixies, Rage Against The Machine, The Replacements, War and Dionne Warwick. I think the following acts would get inducted:

The B-52's
Kate Bush
Foreigner
Kool & The Gang
Willie Nelson
Rage Against The Machine
Dionne Warwick

Iron Maiden gets inducted via Musical Excellence and Fela Kuti gets inducted via either Early Influence or Musical Excellence.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 17:04pm

As a last Christmas gift I want to share my favorite acts on each induction year. Going for performer only. Hope you enjoy my taste! Would like to see yours!

1986-Elvis Presley
1987-Jackie Wilson
1988-The Beatles
1989-The Rolling Stones
1990-The Who
1991-The Byrds
1992-The Jimi Hendrix Experience
1993-The Doors
1994-Elton John
1995-Led Zeppelin
1996-The Velvet Underground
1997-Bee Gees
1998-Fleetwood Mac
1999-Billy Joel
2000-Eric Clapton
2001-Aerosmith
2002-Ramones
2003-The Police
2004-George Harrison
2005-U2
2006-Sex Pistols
2007-R.E.M.
2008-Madonna
2009-Metallica
2010-The Stooges
2011-Alice Cooper
2012-Red Hot Chili Peppers
2013-Rush
2014-Nirvana
2015-Green Day
2016-N.W.A.
2017-Pearl Jam
2018-The Cars
2019-The Cure
2020-Depeche Mode
2021-Foo Fighters
2022-Eminem

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 19:22pm

Plebeian,

What are your current predictions for the 2023 nominees and out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 19:47pm

Good idea, Plebeian...I'll take a stab at that too...

1986-James Brown
1987-BB King
1988-Bob Dylan
1989-Rolling Stones
1990-The Who
1991-LaVern Baker
1992-Jimi Hendrix Experience
1993-CCR
1994-Bob Marley
1995-Led Zeppelin
1996-David Bowie
1997-The Jackson Five
1998-Fleetwood Mac
1999-Dusty Springfield
2000-Earth Wind and Fire
2001-Aerosmith
2002-Tom Petty
2003-The Clash
2004-ZZ Top and Prince (tie)
2005-The O'Jays
2006-Lynyrd Skynyrd
2007-REM
2008-Madonna
2009-Metallica
2010-The Hollies
2011-Alice Cooper
2012-GnR by a hair over the Chili Peppers
2013-Heart
2014-Hall and Oates
2015-Green Day
2016-NWA
2017-Tupac
2018-The Cars
2019-Def Leppard, but Janet is right there
2020-Depeche Mode
2021-Jay-Z
2022-Eurythmics

NOTES: these are my personal favorite acts of the moment, not the best or most deserving of each class, so take it as a choice. And second, anyone else that wants to chime in with their best of the years, go ahead!

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 22:22pm

1986 - the Everly Brothers
1987 - smokey Robinson
1988 - the Beatles
1989 - Otis Redding
1990 - the who
1991 - the Byrds
1992 - johnny cash
1993 - the doors
1994 - the band
1995 - Neil Young
1996 - Pink Floyd
1997 - the Jackson 5
1998 - Fleetwood Mac
1999 - Bruce Springsteen
2000 - Bonnie raitt
2001 - steely dan
2002 - ramones
2003 - the clash
2004 - prince
2005 - U2
2006 - blondie
2007 - rem
2008 - Leonard Cohen
2009 - run dmc
2010 - abba
2011 - Tom Waits
2012 - beastie boys
2013 - public enemy
2014 - nirvana
2015 - Lou reed
2016 - Steve miller
2017 - pearl jam
2018 - the cars
2019 - Roxy music
2020 - nine inch nails
2021 - jay z
2022 - Eurythmics

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 22:51pm

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 23:24pm

richie,

Who are your favorite artists for each year since 1986?

(throwing it back at the trendkiller and seeing if he answers)

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 23:27pm

K-Dawg,

Don't have an answer, Sorry.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/22/2022 @ 23:30pm

This is a great idea. I will do this Now

1986-Elvis Presley
1987-Aretha Franklin
1988-The Beatles
1989-Rolling Stones
1990-The Who
1991-John Lee Hooker
1992-Jimi Hendrix experience
1993-The Doors
1994-Gratefull Dead
1995-Neil Young
1996-Pink Floyd
1997-Crosby,Stills & Nash
1998-Fleetwood Mac.
1999-Bruce Springsteen
2000-Eric Clapton
2001-Steely Dan
2002-Talking Heads
2003-The Police
2004-Traffic
2005-The Pretenders
2006-Miles Davis
2007-Van Halen
2008- John Mellencamp
2009-Jeff Beck
2010-Genesis
2011-Dr. John
2012-Donovan
2013-Heart
2014-Linda Ronstadt
2015-Stevie Ray Vaughan
2016-Chicago
2017-Yes
2018-the Moody Blues
2019-Stevie Nicks
2020-Whitney Houston
2021-Tina Turner
2022-Pat Benatar

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/23/2022 @ 03:50am

Fun! Here are my favorites from each class.

1986 - Fats Domino
1987 - Aretha Franklin
1988 - The Beatles
1989 - The Rolling Stones (Just barely over Stevie Wonder. Toughest call)
1990 - Simon and Garfunkel
1991 - Ike and Tina Turner
1992 - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
1993 - Sly and the Family Stone
1994 - Elton John
1995 - Led Zeppelin
1996 - David Bowie
1997 - Crosby, Stills & Nash
1998 - Fleetwood Mac
1999 - Billy Joel
2000 - Eric Clapton
2001 - Paul Simon
2002 - Talking Heads
2003 - The Police
2004 - Prince (By a hair over Bob Seger)
2005 - U2
2006 - Blondie
2007 - R.E.M.
2008 - John Mellencamp
2009 - Bobby Womack
2010 - Genesis
2011 - Neil Diamond (Worst class ever)
2012 - Red Hot Chili Peppers
2013 - Public Enemy
2014 - Hall and Oates
2015 - Green Day
2016 - Chicago
2017 - Pearl Jam
2018 - The Cars
2019 - Radiohead
2020 - Depeche Mode
2021 - Foo Fighters
2022 - Duran Duran

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 12/23/2022 @ 08:32am

RG, Plebeian and Michael W.,

What are your predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/23/2022 @ 17:01pm

So....

The ballot tracker was fun to watch but very flawed because it lacked the largest voter demographic: performer inductees and performers

I've decided to make an effort to get at least one of these ballots by simply asking said person once.

I have a few people in mind to ask, who are quite active on social media, friendly when approached, and have shown an interest in the rock hall beyond their own induction (I might already have one ballot for 2023 with Ilan Rubin who has suggested he's open to it on a stream).

Does anyone else know of anyone who might be worth talking to beyond like Chris stein.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 12/23/2022 @ 18:07pm

On a side note, I invite everyone to post their faves from each class. We can get a tally and maybe have an act from each year recognition.

Mat R,

How about Tom morello or his agent? Tom has a unique perspective both as a committee member and a perennial potential inductee. If he's reachable that is

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 12/23/2022 @ 19:59pm

Who do you think will be the next 80's New Wave/Alternative acts inducted this year for 2023 if they get nominated?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/23/2022 @ 22:43pm

richie,

Happy Holidays. You are on here a lot as always. That's good. You ask who do we think will be the next 80s 80s New Wave acts inducted for 2023. Well I think it will be the B52s and Tears for Fears. That's my answer. They were both big during the 80s a lot. Both bands attempted to continue into the 90s. But their legacy is of the 80s. Respond

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 02:35am

I'm thinking Joy Division/New Order and the B-52s. I know I keep going to the same well, but I've correctly surmised the picks in the New Wave the last few years, so I'm gonna stick with my gut..

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 03:18am

K-Dawg!,
I don't know Joy Division or NEW Order very welll. The Committee may not either. B52s is an EASY INDUCTEE

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 05:35am

K-Dawg,
I did Not Listen to ENTIRE albums of NEW wave during the 80.
Journey, BON JOVI, Def Leppard, Foreigner, Night Ranger were much more of a genre for me DURING the 80s. I love PAT Benatar that just got in. I even listened to band SCANDAL during the 80s. Maybe you know the WARRIOR. Those NOT new wave AT ALLL. I saw 1 concert we can call NEW wave. It was Squeeze. Squeeze are NOT bad at all

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 07:01am

Ben and K-Dawg,

I'm thinking The B-52's and INXS will be next as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go, because they're the two most commercially successful 80's New Wave/Alternative acts not in yet, As much as I love Devo, Joy Division/New Order and The Smiths, None of them have had the commercial success that The B-52's and INXS have had, so I am thinking The B-52's and INXS will be the next 80's New Wave/Alternative acts to get voted in, As well as they should be.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 09:35am

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone! Hope you get great presents and have high hopes for more Rock Hall stuff!

:)

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 12:51pm

Who do you think will be the next Female acts inducted this year for 2023 if they get nominated?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 15:24pm

Guys can we shut up about about INXS and the b52s being bigger in the states at this point than joy division and new order. It's a statement that can no longer be said with any confidence because guess what? Blue Monday and love will tear us apart are massive (bigger than anything either INXS or the b52s ever did) and everyone and their grandparents owns an unknown pleasures t shirt. Not to mention new order were big in America during their prime.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 19:13pm

Mat R,

I respectfully disagree, What You Need, Need You Tonight, Devil Inside, New Sensation, Never Tear Us Apart, Suicide Blonde, Disappear, Love Shack and Roam were bigger hits on the Billboard Hot 100 charts than Blue Monday and Love Will Tear Us Apart, As I've said it before and I'll say it again, The B-52's and INXS are the two biggest 80's New Wave/Alternative acts not in yet, They're both more commercially successful than Devo, Joy Division/New Order and The Smiths, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have the easiest time getting voted in out of the remaining 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that are not in yet. Period.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 19:20pm

Telling people to shut up because multiple people share the same opinion? I think it's time for someone to put down the device of their choice down, go outside and take a walk around the neighborhood….

Posted by SVZ on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 19:28pm

And, by the way, you're not necessarily wrong about Joy Division and New Order as they are one of the biggest snubs of their genre/era, but I can't see a scenario where they'd get in FYN (least right now). Unless the ballot is stacked in such a way that improves their chances. INXS and B-52's are far more likely to get in quicker as they have critical acclaim (like JO/NO), but INXS and B-52's have more respect from their peers and more importantly Hall of Famers. It's more the populist acts of that era who are getting in off the bat such as The Go-Go's and Duran Duran.

Posted by SVZ on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 19:37pm

SVZ,

I agree, I think that The B-52's and INXS are in the same boat as The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics (populist acts that are from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era that achieved huge commercial success in the US), So expect The B-52's and INXS to get in next from that era, As well as they should be.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 19:42pm

Svz

I don't disagree about the b52s being most likely to get in first try when compared to the other acts mentioned but INXS have serious baggage no one here seems to want to accept.

You mention respect and the living members of INXS possibly depleted a lot of that by making themselves the prize on a reality show.

If I had to guess b52s will take a nomination while INXS and jd/no will take 2 each.

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 20:48pm

Mat R,

What are your current predictions for the 2023 nominees and out of your current predictions for the 2023 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 21:52pm

KING CHRISTMAS Question: Who do you think Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame inducts first....Loretta Lynn or Shania Twain??? Have a blessed Christmas and Holiday season.
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 12/24/2022 @ 23:26pm

Ben,

that's fine amigo. You can get tempted by the fruit of another ;)

About Joy Division/New Order vs INXS:
There is definitely a movement for some of the British acts. The Cure took forever, and so did Depeche Mode. While DM had a slew of hits, the Cure were always kind of the outlier. Ian Curtis' untimely and tragic demise could've killed Joy Division, but they regrouped and made themselves into a bit of an underground smash.The RRHOF committee likes these kinds of stories. I get that INXS is wildly popular, and they are indeed one of the biggest acts of the 80s. I have a dozen songs of theirs on my playlist at any given time. I just don't have the feeling that they are quite there yet. There's a certain list in my mind of new wave pioneers that the voters have been putting in year by year. JD/NO is on that list far above INXS. Look at Roxy Music, T-Rex and others who have gone in recently. They are only known for a couple songs, but their resume is far beyond that. This is why I think they are very likely to be nominated this next cycle.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 12/25/2022 @ 00:11am

and KING,

I think Shania Twain would get a look first. If Loretta goes in, she's gonna be an EI. However, I wouldn't be surprised if that gets stuck on a very back burner, and Taylor Swift goes first...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 12/25/2022 @ 00:14am

and KING,

I think Shania Twain would get a look first. If Loretta goes in, she's gonna be an EI. However, I wouldn't be surprised if that gets stuck on a very back burner, and Taylor Swift goes first...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 12/25/2022 @ 00:14am

KING ON INXS: I think INXS is plenty deserving of Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. I have a few different tests to see if a band is induction worthy. One that I often use is Popular Songs or Hit Records. I think if a group can reach 12 popular songs or hits...That is a good barometer or check for me. When thinking about INXS, they easily pass this test. Beautiful Girl, Devil Inside, Disappear, Don't Change, Listen Like Thieves, Need You Tonight, Not Enough Time, One Thing, Never Tear Us Apart, New Sensation, Suicide Blonde, What You Need, etc.
Another good test is a Legend or Virtuoso in the band. EX: Jeff Lynne-ELO, Mark Knopfler-Dire Straits, Eddie Van Halen-Van Halen etc. I think most would admit Michael Hutchence ranks as 1 of the Top 10 Frontmen of all-time. Charisma, Looks, Stage Presence, Vocal Talent, etc. Freddie Mercury, Paul Stanley, Robert Plant, Steven Tyler would be highly rated.
The more you research the INXS discography, INXS impresses with their quality amount of songs. KICK would also rank as 1 of the best 1980's albums.
Now with Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Duran Duran, Janet Jackson, Judas Priest, Lionel Richie, The Eurythmics inducted, INXS rises to the top for me with Motley Crue as a couple 80's bands who should earn induction.
KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 12/25/2022 @ 00:47am

Well I think it will be the B52s and Tears for Fears. That's my answer. They were both big during the 80s a lot. Both bands were huge. You guys reviewd B52s. What about my other pick Tears for Fears. They had at 4 top 10 hits. And big albums. TEARS for fears

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/25/2022 @ 02:09am

I'm going to say this about Kate Bush and her chances this year: I think she's a shoo-in for another nomination because of her recent huge resurgence this past year with Running Up That Hill being featured on Stranger Things but not necessarily for induction, I just think that she's too British, too obscure, too reclusive, too adventurous, too Alternative and too weird to get the votes needed to get in with the current voting committee, I do think that she will get in this year because of her resurgence this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment (in other words, She'll get in as Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did, rather than as a Performer).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/25/2022 @ 13:38pm

What do you think is the most likely scenario for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/25/2022 @ 19:59pm

Look who is jamming with Dave Grohl....Beck. not a shock but there's another guy who is present and I think is worth talking about since we talk about weird Al and the Monkees all the time and that's jack black.

Tenacious D is a weird case where they're not like a band but a comedy act that's incredibly well liked by musicians. Grohl, meat loaf, dio all showed up in their movie, the dust brothers were big friends. They've hung with queens of the stone age and Beck. Really well like act. And again Grohl loves them.

Oddly enough an argument can be made that they could be on the ballot in 2023 due to they're tv show.

I'm very curious what people here think: will we see Tenacious D ever show up on a ballot?

I'm leaning yes. At sometime in the 2030s

https://consequence.net/2022/12/dave-grohl-i-love-la-greg-kurstin-randy-newman/

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 12/25/2022 @ 20:54pm

As Christmas draws to a close, and all the songs go back into the closet for another year, I would like to remind us...

Mariah Carey isn't in the RRHOF yet, and we can never count her out, as she consistently gets more names in her pantheon inducted each year. Cyndi Lauper is my choice for the female star of the 80s-90s to be honored this year, but they went with more than one last year, so it may finally be the year for the artist with the most popular Christmas song of all time. I won't name it, so your brain can shut down tonight ;)

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 12/25/2022 @ 21:19pm

"so it may finally be the year for the artist with the most popular Christmas song of all time."

You mean there's a chance for Early Influence Bing Crosby?

(That was a joke.)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 12/25/2022 @ 21:30pm

K-Dawg,

Can You please tell me what you mean. I agree with Mariah Carey. But what do you mean??
As she consistently gets more names in her pantheon inducted each year. Maybe more female pop.

I'll conitinue with thoughts after yu respond! Please man let me know

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 01:57am

Ok Now that Christmas is OVER. I want to get into details on the topic Early Influence. In my predictions I actually have Tony Bennett and the Diamonds.
But here is a list of all the possible picks for 2023

Early Influence

Tony Bennett
the Carter Family
John Coltrane
the Diamonds
Cole Porter
John Coltrane
Wendy Carlos
Grace Jones
the Kingsmen
King Crimson
Chuck Willis
Hank Snow
Buddy Rich
Mary Wells
Link Wray

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 02:36am

Ben,

Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Tina Turner...the women who have evolved pop from traditional rock to pop as the music medium that has climbed the charts. Mariah and her earsplitting singing took over the charts in the 90s and completely buried rock in Billboard

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 05:59am

K-Dawg,

That's not true. At all. Mariah Carey did no such thing. Mariah Carey's early career was Pop with R&B influences. Then in 1995 she transitioned to more R&B/Hip-Hop and gospel. Mariah even covered Rock songs on her albums made famous by Pop/Rock acts like Harry Nilsson, Def Leppard, Foreigner, Phil Collins etc. ... Mariah even released some of those cover songs as singles on the charts so I don't understand how Mariah Carey buried Rock on Billboard. At least know her discography if you're gonna make those kinds of claims.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 08:16am

BEN
I really like your possible Early Influences. The Tony Bennett pick is very intelligent. He's the type RRHOF would induct. He's one of the last living 50's singers. What longevity Bennett has shown. Plus, he had a resurgence beginning in the 1990's. Link Wray is another one who will be inducted through EI soon. He was on the Performers ballot before but he will need to be inducted with a Special Award. King Crimson is also very deserving.
Here's some KING EI candidates.
1. The Sonics
2. Connie Francis
3. Willie Nelson
4. The Marvelettes
5. Herbie Hancock
6. The Guess Who
7. Ben E. King
8. Glen Campbell
9. Peter, Paul & Mary
10. Patsy Cline
KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 08:54am

So the last few years we've seen kind of suprise nominees (Dave Matthews, Fela Kuti in 2021, a tribe called quest, dolly)

Who do we think will be that surprise nominee this year?

I'd guess weird Al, I think who cares pod is right that he doesn't really fit but I think there are people at the hall who want to honour him, or someone indie, it's kind of time to nominate an indie act again as it's been like 8 years since one was on the ballot and we're reaching peak commercial indie.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 10:21am

Btw to add something to the b52s vs INXS vs joy division/new order vs tears for fears... another thing that gives joy division/new order an edge: we've reached the indie era (modest mouse can be on a ballot and white stripes can be next in year) and guess who is the most influential indie act...joy division/new order

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 10:26am

What are your year-end predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 16:56pm

My predictions for 2023
Boston
Willie Hugh Nelson
Marvin Lee Aday
James Richard Steinman
Lesley Sue Goldstein
Olivia Newton John
Twila Inez Paris
Amy Lee Grant
Wilson Philips

Posted by jim lively on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 19:53pm

Richie don't you keep track of everyone's predictions?

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 19:58pm

Richie don't you keep track of everyone's predictions?

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 19:59pm

Greg F,

Yes I do keep track of everyone's predictions. Anyway, Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Black Flag, Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Cher, Sheryl Crow, Foreigner, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Fela Kuti, Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson, OutKast, Diana Ross, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Soundgarden, A Tribe Called Quest and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If somehow 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 20:29pm

Richie I don't have an answer for you since I don't know.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 22:06pm

Richie

here have fun also everyone thoughts

Pop

Mariah Carey - no reason left not to nominate her. Incredibly talented and influential. She not only is second to the Beatles for most #1s but is the most successful female producer and songwriter in pop music history, and the biggest act of the 90s. With recent honours including the Songwriters Hall of Fame and Pitchfork dubbing her song 'Fantasy' the best of the 90s. She's the biggest name yet to be inducted.

Rufus and Chaka Khan - a 5th nomination (8th for Chaka) seems likely after a year away. Chaka has continued to make high profile appearances in 2022 with a set at CNN's Juneteenth celebrations.

Cyndi Lauper - eligible for 14 years, Cyndi has pretty much done everything. Grammy winning pop star, Emmy winning actor, Tony winning composer, all around cultural icon. With a deep category and a highly celebrated debut album, Lauper seems likely to finally make a ballot after performing 'True Colors' at the signing of the Respect for Marriage Act.

"Weird Al" Yankovic - a true oddity for the Rock Hall. Yankovic is an entertainer first whose influence is more seen in comedy than in popular music (however artists like Ben Folds and Weezer have credited him as an influence). However, he's proved a true pop icon, with mainstream pop hits spanning the 1980s to 2010s (a feat only Madonna and Michael Jackson did before him), and one of a kind artists, as the only comedy act since the 1960s to have a #1 album. His film "Weird" has already proved to be on the minds of music press.

Destiny's Child - one of the most popular vocal group of all time, Destiny's Child have seen their influence grow every year. Beyond just the Beyonce factor, destiny's child are an anthemic act the celebrated being a strong black woman in the mostly white TRL influencer pop landscape of the late 90s and early 2000s. It doesn't hurt that almost every member had a successful solo career….. especially Beyonce who dropped the best album of 2022.

Kate Bush - after having a 2022 to remember thanks to the surprise hit that was 'Running Up That Hill', Bush not being in the Hall looked odd. Expect a return in 2023.

Tom Jones - there are very few 60s stars left who might stand a chance, and with many big names maybe keeping Cher off, Tom Jones might have the most cross generational appeal of them. He went from Swining London to Fresh Prince of Bel-Air while being one of the first contemporary pop stars to embrace Las Vegas. The fact he managed to top the UK charts in 2021 suggests he's probably due for a shot.

Rap

Dr. Dre - there are probably 6 heavyweight contenders for the nomination but only one has shown up the last 2 years to induct someone. Dre doesn't need the nomination now, as he's already in with NWA, the Hall likes those who take part.

Salt-N-Pepa - a woman centric rap act is due and why not start with the first big one. With a ton of popular singles and a mega-platinum album, Salt-N-Pepa are also arguably the most likely of the remaining 80s rap acts that can get in on the ballot…you also gotta set up an Early Influence induction as a back-up.

Rock

Devo - 4th time on the ballot, New Wave weirdos will be there for Ohio. Also Musical Excellence Time.

Los Lobos - 2nd nomination is probably due for the legendary Latin rockers. Jumping from Chicano to RnB to Roots to Cowpunk to Country, Los Lobos' musicianship is on a next level and they've managed to influence rock and pop's mainstream while never straying from their heritage.

Rage Against the Machine - it's time. Rage are one of the most influential rock acts of the 90s and celebrated metal and hard rock acts in history. After being forced to induct Priest via Musical Excellence, the Hall will clear the path to get Rage in on their 5th nomination.

Suzi Quatro - after inducting Joan, The GoGos, and Pat, the Hall will take a step back I'm thinking and try for Suzi. She was the prototype for the post-Joplin woman rocker. Just her playing of the bass sent shockwaves by inspiring the likes of Hall of Famers Tina Weymouth and Kathy Valentine. It's time to correct. After Hayley Williams comments about sexist attitudes towards women with guitars and basses it's time to say f— that mind set and induct the og bandleader.

Boston - the classic mainstream rock spot is tricky and honestly Boston thanks to "More Than a Feeling" are probably in the best spot. But beyond just the one big classic (ranked 212 on Rolling Stone's Top 500 Songs), Boston had an epic run of albums that included a diamond debut and follow ups that went 7-times platinum and 4-times platinum. It doesn't hurt that The Rock is their drummer's son-in-law.

Modest Mouse - the sacrificial lamb of this year. Modest Mouse won't get in this year but they play a role: get indie rock back on the map for 2024 (when White Stripes are eligible and we can finally talk about Pixies cause Rage is in) while not splitting votes from Rage (like Pixies would) or Los Lobos (like Wilco would) or Kate Bush (like PJ Harvey would) or Devo (like Pavement would). They're also not controversial like The Smiths, realistic unlike Guided by Voices or My Bloody Valentine, and (on the off chance they get in) show up unlike Sonic Youth. They also might get Smiths' guitarist Johnny Marr in or at least set up his Musical Excellence. They're get another nod in 15 years prob.

Bryan Adams - let's be real and admit Adams is massive. Sure he's faded in the states but he's still packing arenas in Canada, The UK, and most of Europe and his hits have become the norm on both classic rock and adult contemporary radio. The second most Juno Awarding artist in history, he's also a celebrated rock photographer who has shot magazine and album covers for a great number of superstars. His recent Grammy nod suggest a resurgence is coming and he's on the Rock Hall's minds after being booked for 2021 (sadly he had to cancel due to a positive COVID result). With Alanis out, he's the most likely Canuck.

Country

George Jones and Tammy Wynette - after Dolly, why not go with the couple that recorded what are commonly considered the two best songs in country music history: "Stand by Your Man" and "He Stopped Loving Her Today". Their also having a moment thanks to that TV show and the popular podcast 'Cocaine & Rhinestones' basically saying "George Jones is the greatest singer in country music history'.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 12/26/2022 @ 23:42pm

Mat R,

Out of your updated predictions for the 2023 nominees (Bryan Adams, Boston, Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Destiny's Child, Devo, Dr. Dre, George Jones & Tammy Wynette, Tom Jones, Cyndi Lauper, Los Lobos, Modest Mouse, Suzi Quatro, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Salt-N-Pepa and "Weird Al" Yankovic). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/27/2022 @ 00:06am

Richie

Mariah, Dre, and Cyndi are the locks, Rage has no real competition for the rock band spot, Tom Jones' name stands out big time, I think the Chaka is due would get Rufus and her in, the last spot is a toss up but I think Al is too weird and Destiny's Child is too TRL so it's Adams or Boston and I think Adams has more songs people know so him.

Devo get AME while either Salt-N-Pepa or Quatro maybe gets Early Influence

TLDR
Mariah, Dre, Cyndi, Jones, Rage, Rufus with Chaka, Adams and Devo as AME

Still heavy on 80s MTV with Cyndi, Devo, and Adams but getting into 90s MTV with Mariah, Dre, and Rage with Jones as the kind of intersection.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 12/27/2022 @ 00:56am

Mat R,

I want to give some thoughts on your picks. You got mostly very wise choices. I'd like to review some.

Cyndi Lauper - Yes eligible for 14 years, Cyndi has pretty much done everything. Best selling albums during the 80s. Emmy winning actress, Tony winning composer, all around cultural icon. She has a whole bunch of albums and a highly celebrated debut album, She's So Unusual. Lauper seems likely to finally make a ballot since she remains in spotlight. My thoughts on Bryan Adams are later. He has good chance

Destiny's Child - one of the most popular vocal group of modern times. Destiny's Child have seen their influence grow every year. Beyond just the Beyonce factor, Destiny's child are a Superstar act celebrating being a strong black woman in the mostly white pop landscape of the late 90s and early 2000s. It doesn't hurt that Beyonce has a huge successful solo career. I am not an huge fan of this sort of R&B but Destiny's Child seem likely. BUT I am not sure you mean for 2023.

Boston - the classic mainstream rock spot is tricky and honestly Boston thanks to the whole 1976 Debut are probably in the best spot. But beyond just the one big classic Boston had an epic run of albums that included the debut with spaceship cover and follow ups with Don't Look Back and Third Stage. I I had NO idea that The Rock is their drummer's son-in-law. I learn that now.

That's my thoughts for now. I tend towards Rock music thus Boston makes sense to me. Boston may be more likely than Foreigner.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/27/2022 @ 03:12am

Mat r,

Forgive me if you've given your appraisal, I can't recall, but what do you think of Bad Company's chances? I know some here have poopawed on any other 70s rock bands getting in, but the RRHOF likes to induct groups to include icons of music in their pantheon, as indicated by your choice of Destiny's Child because of Beyonce. However, they go after the 70s icons the past few years, i.e Brian Eno in Roxy Music..so do you see them being palatable for the RRHOF? It just astounds me that Paul Rodgers has not gone in when he's been eligible with BC for 23 years

I'll have some feedback on your picks in the next couple days

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 12/27/2022 @ 04:26am

K-dawg

I kind of see it as a toss up between acts with at least one iconic member and a bunch radio staples (bad company, guess who, foreigner) and acts with like a truly iconic song or album but kind of mid overall (Boston, blue oyster cult, meat loaf). All have good chances I think but I also think we're now firmly dealing with 80s classic rock too (Bryan Adams, billy idol, billy Squier, Huey Lewis and the news) so it'll be slow.

I also think the Tom Jones getting in would be a real life line for the 60s and early 70s stragglers.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 12/27/2022 @ 10:09am

Mat R,
I just want to finish reviews with Bryan Adams. We got to all admit Adams is massive. We know he's faded in the states but he's still packing arenas in Canada, The UK, and mos.t of Europe and his hits have become the norm on both classic rock and adult contemporary radio. I am certainly aware of this, I was not aware of the Juno Award. You say he is second most. Who is first? Rush? He's a Rock Photographer? He has recent awards that suggest a resurgence is coming and he's on the Rock Hall's minds after being booked for 2021. He canceled due to Covid. I forgot who he was all set to induct. I don't think Alanis is out but Bryan Adams is much better pick

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 02:45am

The induction of Dolly Parton is a game-changer in more than one way, I think. Not only will it lead to other country artists being inducted relatively soon (Willie Nelson's chance of induction markedly increased following Dolly's induction), but it more clearly points out that the Rock Hall is not really a Rock Hall, but a Hall of Fame for popular musicians. No longer is there the illusion that someone had to have the credentials of embodying the rebellious nature of R & R as being the justification for induction (which is IMO how rap artists and some R and B artists were voted in)

I really like Dolly Parton and like a fair amount of music that wouldn't be classified as rock. But I disagreed with her induction because it's hard to see Dolly as a rebel, as fine as a musician as she is.

Which brings up the question: If country artists are being inducted in the Rock Hall, why not Easy Listening artists?
One of my predictions on my list on my last post was the Carpenters. Karen Carpenter has one of the best voices of any female in popular music since the onset of the Rock era. If Dolly Parton, why not the Carpenters? Why not Olivia Newton-John?

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 13:22pm

Eric,

Some inducted musicians fall into the purvey of easy listening in certain ways. They considered James Taylor for much of the 80s and 90s, according to Columbia House and BMG...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 13:30pm

I think that if an Easy Listening act were to get nominated and inducted, I think the most likely Easy Listening act to do it would be Celine Dion, because she's a much bigger name in Music than The Carpenters and Olivia Newton-John, plus she would sell more tickets to the induction ceremony and would bring more ratings for HBO, also, she's had some health issues over the past couple of years with her recent Stiff Person Syndrome diagnosis that has caused her to cancel her Vegas residency at Resorts World, the remaining dates of the North American leg of her Courage World Tour and 8 Summer 2023 shows in Europe, as well as postpone some of her European leg of her Courage World Tour to 2024, also the fact that she may never perform again due to her illness may help her to get nominated and inducted sooner rather than later, I think that once Cher, Dionne Warwick, Mariah Carey, Cyndi Lauper and Diana Ross get in, I think Celine will be the next Pop diva in line for a nomination and an induction, as well as she should be.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 14:21pm

Celine ain't happening for the Rock Hole of Lame (thanks Mr. Clear Channel!), so just stop it already!

Posted by Mr. XFL on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 15:24pm

Am I the only one who thinks people are seriously misreading dolly and to an extent Lionel?

Like dolly isn't likely to actually open any floodgates for country or even country icons. Maybe we'll see Willie or Shania or the chicks but Waylon Jennings and the Judds and such nah.

Now this easy listening thing isn't a rock hall thing at all. Adult contemporary and soft rock and easy listening are similar but are all different things. The few adult contemporary inductees we've seen also have strong links to mainstream pop and rock. They're not solely from that realm. Easy listening at it's core is also outside the hall's mandate of "music of youth". The fact Richie keeps mentioning her is concerning.

Country while swaying older has always informed the music of youth while easy listening outside of meme status hasn't in fact it's meant to be anti youth by design. Celine ain't getting in unless the hall loses total focus on its mission.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 15:30pm

Btw Richie

The Celine as cultural phenomenon was found not be the case by canadaland. They found that while people like her, outside of Vegas and limited date tours, she can't really move units or tickets.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 16:47pm

What do you think is the most likely scenario for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 17:48pm

One of the facts I didn't know until recently is that Richard Carpenter co-wrote 4 of the Carpenters Top Ten hits as well as co-writing the Christmas classic "Merry Christmas, Darling". So, one could argue that this makes the Carpenters more multitalented than say, Dusty Springfield and Linda Ronstadt. The latter two inductees I think belong in the Rock Hall and I'll put forth the above in support of Richard and Karen being in.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 19:30pm

Eric Tompkins

I actually think the carpenters make sense. Soft rock/pop act with loads of influence and acclaim and amazing artistry. The same can't be said across the board for much of that crowd at least on rock.

Like there's a reason a lot of the music from that realm's (including Olivia Newton John) biggest obvious influence today (outside of parody music videos) are genres (eg vaporwave) that mainly exists to attack how capitalistic and artless the easy listening was/is.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 22:05pm

I was listening to a podcast geared towards the Rock Hall because someone mentioned them in the comments here. The hosts gave their predictions for the 2023 inductees and I was fine with, at best, a few of their choices. But then the female host named Paula Abdul. I was stunned. And not in a good way. Can someone explain to me why Paula should be inducted into the R&RHOF over names like Sinead O Connor, The Runaways, Sheryl Crow, Cyndi Lauper, The Bangles, Chaka Khan, Dionne Warwick, Mariah Carey, Cher, Alanis Morissette, Kate Bush, Fiona Apple etc....

I don't mean this as disrespect to Paula but she is considered guilty pleasure music to me. Very catchy pop songs and eye pleasing videos but that's it. And Paula is more of a dancer/choreographer than an anything. How is thiat Rock Hall worthy? Any thoughts? Am I being too harsh? That choice was just so bizarre to me.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 23:12pm

Did you hear that Dionne Warwick has a new documentary airing on CNN on New Year's Day called Dionne Warwick: Don't Make Me Over and it will also be available on HBO Max following the film's broadcast on CNN, We all know that the Rock Hall loves their documentaries and there is a pattern of artists getting in on their third nomination in recent years like Joan Jett & The Blackhearts and Lou Reed in 2015, Deep Purple in 2016, Yes in 2017, The Cars in 2018, Janet Jackson in 2019, Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails in 2020, Todd Rundgren in 2021 and Judas Priest via the Musical Excellence category this past year, So do you think that Dionne's new documentary on CNN will help her get her third straight nomination and this time, help her get elected on her third try depending on the competition?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 23:15pm

Richie.

I can definitely see the documentary helping secure Dionne Warwick's chances for getting on the ballot again next year. A documentary did wonders for The Go-Gos. And Tina Turner as well. Ironically Dionne doesn't seem all that impressed by the Rock Hall so I could also see them skipping her next year as well.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 23:41pm

Aria Diamond

Paula Abdul is crazy influential, like rivals most of those you mentioned. The choreography (she's key to modern dance in pop and contemporary cheerleading), the music videos ("Opposites Attract" is one of the most important works of David "I made Fight Club, Zodiac, and The Social Network" Fincher), the TV show judging. I would argue she's better suited to Non-Performer, cause that's her main area of importance, but she moved a lot of records.

Without her, I don't think you have Britney, Beyonce, Lady Gaga or even Gorillaz and maybe TikTok as they exist today.

Richie

I'm doubtful mainly cause she's been on the ballot the last two years and the doc market in 2022 in kind of flooded. Shania Twain, Sinead O'Connor, Sheryl Crow, George Michael, Don McLean all had docs and are fresh plus the B52s, Aimee Mann, Tori Amos, Shakira all popped up in docs this year and there's still the hangover of Summer of Soul and I'd add Weird Al, Bjork, and Big Mama Thornton to that list of media. I think not being fresh really hurts her here.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 12/28/2022 @ 23:43pm

Mat r

So Paula Abdul is influential as a dancer which has nothing to do with Rock and Roll music. I never see Paula on any Rock Hall snub lists or future nominee/inductee lists. And there's a reason why. And yes, I know she sold a lot of records but that still doesn't equate to being in the Rock Hall. And even if she did get in, it still shouldn't be before any of the people I mentioned. Come on now.

I also read where you mentioned Celine Dion can't really move tickets or units. That's not true. Celine is a beloved figure right behind Dolly Parton and Celine has sold an abundance of ticket sales and albums. Since she's having major health issues right now, you best believe when she gets better and is able to tour again, there will be a huge demand no matter the venue because she is an amazing singer and live performer.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 00:20am

What's not getting mentioned about Paula is that she's gained a following she may not have had by being part of American Idol. The Hall is terrible about tying in music/variety shows into its calculations. American Idol, America's Got Talent, The Voice, etc...these shows have HUGE impact on people. Dick Clark, Ed Sullivan, Don Cornelius...right into shows like SNL and late night hosts like Johnny Carson, David Letterman,Conan O'Brien...these bring the acts on where they can catch on. Where am I going with all this? Yes, Paula does have influence from a modest (comparatively speaking to Whitney and Janet, her peers in the late 80s) performer career, but the Hall should take into account the entire product. They sometimes do with Randy Newman, Todd Rundgren etc, as songwriters, but someone has to present these future superstars to the world. Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood are part of the public conscious because Paula, with Randy Jackson and the adorable Simon Cowell, brought them into it.

As far as Celine Dion goes, if Mariah hasn't gotten a sniff yet, she's way far off. Dion's credentials are simply mirrored by people who aren't in yet and should be. She has one megahit on a movie and some good songs on the side, but the majority of her work isn't recognized by the mainstream RR public. If Titanic had never existed, most music fans would consider her niche.

Finally, the Carpenters do have a real argument for inclusion in the RRHOF, but they get lost in the shuffle. There is so much 70s that hasn't even been cracked, and time is not on its side in this case. Their music is similar to Cat Stevens and some others who are already in, but I never hear them brought up.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 01:24am

Aria Diamond

I agree about Paula not exactly making sense as a performer and better suited to non-performer (a side category). She's a weird situation cause her music sold well but her importance is outside it. I think how they handle Sean Combs will likely decide her fate

Also

No. Celine is a niche a k-dawg put and again canadaland (a media criticism org focused on Canadian media) looked at Celine's modern popularity (post 2005) and found it was deeply linked to Vegas. She could move tickets there but struggled elsewhere and that her beloved status was mostly linked to memedom rather than actual fandom. Canadaland concluded it was a nothing burger and not worth an episode.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 01:35am

Mat R,

I also see tthe documentary helping secure Dionne Warwick's chances for getting on the ballot again next year. A documentary did great things for The Go-Gos. And Tina Turner as well. Ironically Dionne doesn't seem all that impressed by the Rock Hall so I could also see them skip over her. I think she is headed for Early Influence. But perhaps 2024. After she is on the ballot again for 2023.
It's true the doc market in 2022 is kind of flooded. Shania Twain, Sinead O'Connor, Sheryl Crow, George Michael, Don McLean all had docs and are fresh plus the B52s, Aimee Mann, Tori Amos, Shakira all popped up in docs this year and there's still the lasting effect of Summer of Soul. I would like to see the Shery Crow one. I am a fan. of her. I do think Dionne Warwick will be on ballot one more time. But to be clear the Hall will give up in 2023 and give her Early I. She is perfect for that. Hits like Walk on By are almost 60 years old

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 02:41am

At their height (or as the Brits would say: 'in their pomp') The Carpenters were much bigger than Celine Dion.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 06:21am

Aria, Paul Abdul will not be in the Hall without a ticket.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 06:23am

It was suggested last week that someone tally up the responses to the "favorite artist from each induction year" question. Since no one has responded to that question since then, I just counted up the responses from the five people who previously replied. 1998 was the only unanimous year and 2019 was the only year with five different choices.

1986 - Elvis Presley (2), Fats Domino, The Everly Brothers, James Brown
1987 - Aretha Franklin (2), Smokey Robinson, B.B. King, Jackie Wilson
1988 - The Beatles (4), Bob Dylan
1989 - The Rolling Stones (4), Otis Redding
1990 - The Who (4), Simon and Garfunkel,
1991 - The Byrds (2), Ike and Tina Turner, John Lee Hooker, Lavern Baker
1992 - The Jimi Hendrix Experience (4), Johnny Cash
1993 - The Doors (3), Sly and the Family Stone, Creedence Clearwater Revival
1994 - Elton John (2), The Grateful Dead, The Band, Bob Marley
1995 - Led Zeppelin (3), Neil Young (2)
1996 - David Bowie (2), Pink Floyd (2), The Velvet Underground
1997 - Crosby, Stills & Nash (2), The Jackson 5 (2), Bee Gees
1998 - Fleetwood Mac (5)
1999 - Billy Joel (2), Bruce Springsteen (2), Dusty Springfield
2000 - Eric Clapton (3), Bonnie Raitt, Earth, Wind & Fire
2001 - Steely Dan (2), Aerosmith (2), Paul Simon
2002 - Talking Heads (2), The Ramones (2), Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
2003 - The Police (3), The Clash (2)
2004 – Prince (2.5), Traffic, George Harrison, ZZ Top (0.5)
2005 - U2 (3), The Pretenders, The O'Jays
2006 – Blondie (2), Miles Davis, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Sex Pistols
2007 - R.E.M. (4), Van Halen
2008 - John Mellencamp (2), Madonna (2), Leonard Cohen
2009 - Metallica (2), Bobby Womack, Jeff Beck, Run DMC
2010 – Genesis (2), ABBA, The Hollies, The Stooges
2011 - Alice Cooper (2), Neil Diamond, Dr. John, Tom Waits
2012 - Red Hot Chili Peppers (2), Donovan, Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses
2013 - Public Enemy (2), Heart (2), Rush
2014 - Hall and Oates (2) , Nirvana (2), Linda Ronstadt
2015 - Green Day (3), Stevie Ray Vaughan, Lou Reed
2016 – Chicago (2) , N.W.A. (2), Steve Miller
2017 - Pearl Jam (3), Yes, 2Pac
2018 - The Cars (4), The Moody Blues
2019 – Radiohead, Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music, Def Leppard, The Cure
2020 - Depeche Mode (3), Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails
2021 - Foo Fighters (2) , Jay-Z (2), Tina Turner
2022 - Eurythmics (2), Duran Duran, Pat Benatar, Eminem

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 10:02am

K- dawg,

Paula Abdul is a great performer and has catchy songs but there's no way she should be considered as a potential nominee for the 2023 ballot. Not even this decade really. Maybe in 15-20 year sure.

K-dawg, Mat r,

Celine Dion is one of the biggest acts of the 90s. I know she probably won't get on the ballot either because her music is considered safe and not risk taking at all but she definitely made an impact too. And Mat r, wherever you got your information that Celine Dion can't sell tickets outside of Vegas are wrong.

"Canadian singer Celine Dion has embarked on 15 concert tours and 2 concert residencies. As of July 2022, Dion has grossed 1.35 billion and has sold 10. 9 million tickets worldwide. According to Billboard Boxcore, Dion is one of only eight artists to cross the billion dollar mark in history. According to Pollstar, Celine Dion is the second highest grossing female this century"......So obviously Celine Dion call sell tickets. And lots of them.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 11:24am

Aria Diamond

Yea everyone kind of agreed about Paula.

The Celine info came from the Canadian firm that studies Canadian media. They called it a nothing burger and again focused on her post 2005 career. They linked her grosses to Vegas because demand for various tours and shows she's done outside of Vegas have struggled. They accessed a lot more than grosses btw and got a lot of nasty info about her promoters tactics to sell tickets outside of Vegas.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 11:44am

I think the most likely scenario for the 2023 nominees is:

Kate Bush (same as last year)
Cher (next big Pop Culture Icon/Diva following Tina and Dolly)
Destiny's Child (FYE nominee)
Devo (same as last year)
Missy Elliott (FYE nominee)
Foreigner (This year's big populist Classic Rock pick, plus farewell tour as well)
Iron Maiden (back for 2nd nomination, replaces Judas Priest as the token Metal pick)
The J. Geils Band (back for 5th nomination)
Fela Kuti (same as last year)
Willie Nelson (next big Country Legend/Icon following Dolly)
New York Dolls (same as last year)
Rage Against The Machine (same as last year)
Rufus With Chaka Khan (back for 5th nomination, plus 8th nomination for Chaka overall)
Boz Scaggs (The left-field/surprise pick, plus the 70's Singer-Songwriter pick)
Steppenwolf (back for 2nd nomination, replaces MC5 as the 60's Rock pick)
A Tribe Called Quest (same as last year)
Dionne Warwick (same as last year)

If that happens to be the list, I think the following acts would get inducted:

Kate Bush (huge resurgence this past year with Stranger Things and Running Up That Hill will finally help her chances, I think that she will finally get in if nominated and depending on the competition, 4th time's a charm)
Cher (A big name/draw for the ceremony, plus she would finish high in the fan vote, She would get in easily if nominated, FYN)
Devo (The ceremony's back in Ohio this year, so it would be a homecoming and a hometown welcome for them, plus the next 80's New Wave/Alternative act to get in and getting Devo in will finally help The B-52's and Joy Division/New Order to finally get nominated in the next couple of years after that, I think that they will finally get in if nominated and depending on the competition, also like Kate Bush, 4th time's a charm)
Foreigner (The Classic Rock pick of the year, plus Farewell Tour and would most likely win the fan vote, They would get in easily if nominated, FYN)
Willie Nelson (Another big name/draw for the ceremony, plus the next Country Legend/Icon to get in following Dolly, also he'll be 90 years old this year, so get him in while he's still alive, He would get in easily if nominated, FYN)
Rage Against The Machine (The 90's Rock/Alternative/Grunge pick of the year, plus we're still living in difficult times and their message still resonates with a lot of people right now, also getting Rage in will break the logjam for 90's Rock/Alternative/Grunge and will really help Soundgarden and Beck to get nominated again in the next couple of years after that, I think that they will finally get in if nominated, 5th time's a charm)
Dionne Warwick (The Easy Listening/Adult Contemporary pick of the year, also Her new documentary called Dionne Warwick: Don't Make Me Over is airing on CNN on Sunday and it will be available on HBO Max after that and we all know that the Rock Hall loves their documentaries, plus the fact that she's been nominated the past two years and lost out to Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Go's, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon will really help her chances of getting in this year, I think that she will get in this time if nominated, 3rd time's a charm)

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 17:14pm

I want to discuss something no one other than me seems to think it's time to discuss despite the fact that next year this will become one of the biggest rock hall chats: what's going on with indie music?

So next year The White Stripes are eligible and with them probably the best contender to join Eric Clapton in the Triple Club: Jack White. They become the first indie rock act that the hall can't really ignore and there is next to no foundation for them aside from REM, Nirvana, and Radiohead (all of whom have questionable indie cred because they were on the majors). As there is nearly no foundation inducting a band that debuted in 1998 is weird when the genre broke out with Tom Lehrer's self releases in the early 1960s. Indie is a thing that is gonna be an important thing to the Hall going forward, it becomes the main rock sound by 2002 and is rich with women, and they kind of have to do it right or fail the Pitchfork purity test.

2023 is the last opportunity before they have to start talking about the White Stripes (shit they could talk about Ariel Pink now and he didn't get big until 2010) and you know there are names to induct. They've nominated the Smith twice but it's been a long ass time and the Smiths are unlikely now (see Moz is a racist) so it's on the Hall's mind they need an avenue. Joy Division/New Order and Pixies are likely the front runners but both likely interfere with the new wave, women in music, and classic rock stuff the hall wants now and Sonic Youth, Neutral Milk Hotel, and My Bloody Valentine are basically locks to not get voted in ever. You've got Pavement, Wilco, Fugazi, Primal Scream, PJ Harvey, Liz Phair, Bikini Kill, Sleater-Kenny, and Modest Mouse but they'll all take time.

Does anyone think they'll do anything next year?

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 12/29/2022 @ 23:48pm

Celine Dion is Easy Listening that caters to Vegas strictly these days. No way to Celine Dion. Mariah Carey was also one of the biggest acts of the 90s. She has a much better chance because its a more rebellious pop at times. The Carpenters pick is intriguing, They have loads of influence and even though they are in the realm of Easy Listening they have a rather good shot at the RNR Hall of Fame.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 01:59am

I want to cover King Crimson. They are deep in my original era of Rock. I will cover this in replace of Enigmaticus. I hope he is OK. I am NOT the all Prog guy he is. But they are a big part of my Music tastes. I Love my Blues rock too like Eric Clapton which leads to other Blues Rock Not in the Hall.
But right now I go to the Prog rock of King Crimson. They have existed as a band over 50 years. I think Jethro Tull would be the last Prog band as a Performer. So where does this leave King Crimson. I think King Crimson after a probable induction of J Tull will go to Early Influence. I chose them as future prospect for E Influence

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 02:50am

BEN
Great post on King Crimson. I think they will be inducted in the next 5 years. King Crimson is a viable inductee as an Early Influence (EI), Musical Excellence (ME) or through the 15-20 Performer's ballot 2023. KC remind me of a few recent Inductees like Roxy Music & T-Rex from the standpoint...They had amazing influence on future bands. Very innovative as well. KC didn't have dozens of hit songs or sell zillions of albums. Only thing holding them back right now . Fripp like Eric Clapton, Eddie Van Halen, Jeff Beck, Jeff Lynne, Mark Knopfler, etc is a musical genius and the RRHOF likes to induct these music legends. RED is my FAV King Crimson album. I think Fallen Angel would be my FAV KC song. Right about Enigmaticus. I can see him in the next few weeks advocating more for King Crimson. In recent years, he had been strong advocates for Duran Duran, ELO, Rush, YES, etc for Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Now with Duran Duran recently inducted and the others, I expect him to throw more support to King Crimson. Maybe Jethro Tull & Procol Harum as well. SADE is another he advocates for. Always good to see you on the forum.
KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 03:12am

Ben,

I've already concluded Celine Dion probably won't get into The Rock Hall so I don't know what you're disputing. I mean if Barbara Streisand can't get in, then Celine Dion chances are even less likely. Even posted my 2023 predictions list somewhere in the comments and Mariah Carey is on it and Celine Dion is not.... Also my comments were made in response to people claiming Celine Dion can't move units or ticket sales.

As for the Carpenters, I think they should at least get on the ballot. There music just has a timeless quality to it and Karen Carpenter has one of the most ethereal, sublime voices in music. Interestingly their music is even more easy listening than Celine Dion's but I give The Carpenters an edge over Celine because Richard Carpenter is a masterful songwriter and arranger. I'm thinking they might one day get in through one of the side categories.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 08:01am

I kinda disagree I think they could get in as soon as they appear on a ballot. They're music had proven to stand the test of time and Karen's voice is one of the beloved voices in history.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 08:45am

Greg F,

No argument there and I hope you're right. I would love to see The Carpenters get in.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 08:54am

Aria Diamond

Yea the carpenters are good for the hall. Since Karen's passing their reputation has grown massively. 'close to you' is quite widely seen as a masterpiece and their influence on Alt rock and indie is massive and well known.

Also I want to make it clear so we're on the same page here. Celine DID move units but she doesn't anymore at anywhere near the same rate outside of Vegas or Asia (again I said post 2005). The fact she also can't get steady play anymore on radio and her streaming numbers are being outdone by like sum 41 (an act that sold like 1/50th of the records she did) suggests the dolly like status some people believe she has is false.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 09:37am

I think the most likely scenario for 2023 is:

Nominees:

Kate Bush (4th Nomination)
Cher (1st Nomination)
Destiny's Child (1st Nomination, First Year Eligible)
Devo (4th Nomination)
Missy Elliott (1st Nomination, First Year Eligible)
Foreigner (1st Nomination)
Iron Maiden (2nd Nomination)
The J. Geils Band (6th Nomination)
Fela Kuti (3rd Nomination)
Willie Nelson (1st Nomination)
New York Dolls (4th Nomination)
Rage Against The Machine (5th Nomination)
Rufus With Chaka Khan (5th Nomination, 8th Nomination for Chaka overall)
Boz Scaggs (1st Nomination)
Steppenwolf (2nd Nomination)
A Tribe Called Quest (2nd Nomination)
Dionne Warwick (3rd Nomination)

Inductees:

Kate Bush (4th Nomination)
Cher (FYN)
Devo (4th Nomination)
Foreigner (FYN)
Willie Nelson (FYN)
Rage Against The Machine (5th Nomination)
Dionne Warwick (3rd Nomination)

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 11:04am

Mat r,

Ok. I see what you mean now. But Celine is a beloved figure. Probably one of the most likeable pop divas in music.

Also want to add I meant to type Barbra Streisand, not Barbara Streisand. Really wish we could edit on here.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 11:24am

many of these people are not ROCK-put Boston in

Posted by jp on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 15:38pm

*sigh* another one escapes the pit. Back in you go! We've explained what rock and roll is countless times.

Richie, I know you change your mind on the noms like the wind, but your list doesn't have much of the diversity the RRHOF has done lately. Not even a hint of new wave in your predictions. I do like the Boz Scaggs pick, but I am not sure he's really going to get a nom ever. Also, Missy and Destiny's Child would not get nominated at the same time in the same year--it'd be one or the other.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 16:15pm

K-Dawg,

Devo is the New Wave pick, I'm thinking that they will clear the lane for them this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 16:25pm

For an act that's already failed three times? I think not. They should go with someone from new wave and classic alternative that could resonate with voters like B-52's, INXS and Billy Idol. Each of those three could easily get in on the first try.

Posted by Brian R on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 16:46pm

Brian R,

The ceremony will be back in Ohio (Devo's hometown) this year, so I think that they will clear the lane for them this year, but I see The B-52's getting on the ballot and inducted the following year in 2024.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 16:54pm

You're placing too much emphasis on the city who's hosting the ceremony. With your logic, they would've waited until it went back to NYC to induct Jay-Z yet they honored him in Cleveland. I don't think the committee nor the voters care about that and when it happens, it's just a coincidence.

Posted by Brian R on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 16:59pm

Devo is a perennial bridesmaid. Joy Division/New Order and INXS are easily bigger favorites, and one will be nominated and probably inducted this year

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 17:13pm

K-Dawg,

As much as I love Joy Division/New Order and INXS, I think that they will have to wait until after Devo and The B-52's get in before they get nominated, I do see JD/NO and INXS getting nominated in a couple of years from now though, just not yet.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 17:19pm

I disagree I think Devo will get a break and they'll try either The B-52'S, Tears for Fears or Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 17:52pm

Greg F,

I disagree, I think that they will give Devo one more shot this year and I think that they will finally get in this time on their 4th nomination and they'll get inducted in Cleveland, Ohio (Their hometown) this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 17:57pm

I actually do think Devo will be inducted this year (partly cause it's Ohio and they haven't done an Ohio act in Ohio in a while - since NIN didn't go down) but it'll be a Musical Excellence induction.

Also yea Boz Scaggs is a wild pick. He seems unlikely but it's shocking he has never been on a ballot especially since he was tight with Jann, has been considered prior, and got screwed by them no inducting the Steve Miller Band. I actually think he's the type of guy who would benefit from them trying a 60s act that isn't Dionne or MC5...someone like Tom Jones.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 19:28pm

Mat R,

I see Boz Scaggs as the 70's Singer-Songwriter pick, but I just don't see him getting inducted right away though, I think that he will need a few nominations to get in just like Todd Rundgren and even then, I think that it will be a Musical Excellence pick,

Also, I see Devo getting in as Performers this year if nominated, rather than as Musical Excellence.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 19:57pm

Richie

If ll cool j and Judas priest needed musical excellence, despite having ballots that cleared the lane for them, then Devo likely do too

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 20:19pm

Mat R,

but I disagree, LL Cool J had to go up against Jay-Z in 2021 so that's why he got in via Musical Excellence that year, Judas Priest got in via Musical Excellence last year only because the voters really hate Heavy Metal, so I just don't see Devo getting inducted via Musical Excellence, because New Wave has had an excellent track record of getting in via the Performers category in recent years with The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics getting in. so I think that if anybody gets Musical Excellence this year, It should and will be Chaka Khan, rather than Devo.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 20:27pm

Richie

Ll was nominated 6 times and was on his own in 2018 and 2019.

Judas priest had a mostly clear path in 2022 and for as much as the voters hate metal they also hate one hit wonders.

Also Devo are the wrong band of new wave cause they're more punk rock than they are clean and easy and the last time a punk band went in was 2015

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 20:51pm

Mat R,

What do you think is the most likely scenario for the 2023 nominees/inductees (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 21:26pm

Poor richies like a robot sometimes. Devo isn't getting inducted as a performer. If they screwed priest and Kraftwerk out of performer inductions, they're not gonna stick devo in. The choice should be Joy Division/New Order, but there are a hundred acts over devo to rep new wave

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 21:33pm

K-Dawg,

As much as I love Joy Division/New Order, They just don't have the commercial success as The B-52's and INXS have had as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go, so I see them struggling with voters, I do think that they'll get in soon though, but I think that it might take them 2-3 nominations to actually get in.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 21:38pm

richie

they literally had similar commercial success to the b52s and inxs

however agree on 2 nominations

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 21:58pm

Mat R,

What do you think is the most likely scenario for the 2023 nominees/inductees (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/30/2022 @ 22:01pm

How many times are you gonna ask mat r over and over? Give it a rest and find a different topic to delve into.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 00:25am

Another year has ended, so here's the second installment of "New Decade Ages!"

Here I post the Hall inductees that are reaching a new decade in the coming year, if all goes well. I don't want to look at the previous year's list (It's on the 2022 Nomination Predictions Page, which is still archived like many others.) because that's just sad. Anyway:

Aside from Alessandro Cortini, Ilan Rubin, and Josh Klinghoffer, every inductee is over 50, as this year Eminem, the members of Green Day, and before his death, Taylor Hawkins all celebrated their 50th Birthdays this year.

Turning 60 this year:
Rahiem
Lars Ulrich
James Hetfield
Jason Newsted
Dizzy Reed
Jeff Amet
Rick Allen

Turning 70 this year:
Tito Jackson
Larry Dunn
Benmont Tench
Alex Van Halen
Geddy Lee
Alex Lifeson
David Sancious
Patti Scialfa
Ricky Byrd
Robin Zander
Elliot Easton
Tico Torres
Charlotte Caffey
Jimmy Iovine
Pat Benatar

Turning 80 this year:
Mick Jagger
Keith Richards
Paul Samwell-Smith
Sly Stone
Jerry Martini
Mickey Hart
Robbie Robertson
Rosalind Ashford
Betty Kelly
Annette Sterling
Dickey Betts
Roger Waters
Joni Mitchell
Steve Boone
Walter WIlliams
Kenney Gamble
Spooner Oldham
David Geffen
Randy Newman
Steve Miller
Chris White
Allen Grubman

Turning 90 this year:
Mike Stoller
Tommy Hunt
Quincy Jones
Lou Adler

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 01:10am

Here's my end of the year predictions. Going casual as the insanity of discussion in these forums have made me go cuckoo. In the end, we will all be disappointed as usual and you all will go crazy on side inductions in the next predictions circle after 2023 is done. The cycle will repeat as always. Anyway:

The 60s:
Dionne Warwick (3)

The 70s:
Bad Company (1)
Willie Nelson (1)
Fela Kuti (3)
New York Dolls (4)

The 80s:
Kate Bush (4)
The B-52's (1)
Chaka Khan (9 total)
Sting (2)
Iron Maiden (2)

The 90s:
Soundgarden (2)
A Tribe Called Quest (2)
Mary J. Blige (2)

The 2000s:
Missy Elliott (1)
OutKast (1)
The Roots (1)

Class of 2023:
OutKast (One Diamond act is at least inducted and OutKast is one of them)
Soundgarden (Clear lane)
Bad Company (The Hall always goes for an act that is a Classic Rock Radio staple)
Willie Nelson (You inducted Dolly now you opened a floodgate with no return. You might as well start doing it)
The B-52's (New Wave pick and new documentary might help them)
Kate Bush (Good year and hype around her still remaining steady)
Dionne Warwick (3 times the charm club)

Happy New Year, folks!

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 01:47am

K-Dawg,

I agree. Devo will Never get in as Performer. Actually as a Twist they may be inducted as Musical Excellence the next time it's in Ohio. But Performer NO way. I go with B52s as the next Performer Inductee for New wave

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 05:00am

Plebeian,

I appreciate your predictions but why would you list the 2000s when that decade isn't even eligible yet? Also all the artists you chose from the 2000s actually debuted in the 90s. But anyways, Happy New Year!

Posted by Aria Diamond on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 06:43am

I don't get the logic of how a ceremony's location is going influence when someone gets inducted. Just because an artist city or state that the ceremony is held is their home state or city doesn't they'll get at that time. I mean Jay-Z is from Brooklyn and they didn't wait until the ceremony was at Brooklyn to induct him.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 08:23am

Aria Diamond,

Was going by popularity. Missy, OutKast, and The Roots all had their defining reigns in the 2000s just like Eminem.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 09:32am

So everyone keeps mentioning like pop focused stars like Mariah, Kate, Cyndi of singer-songwriter types like Sheryl Crow being nominated for 2023 but I'm curious after Hayley Williams' comments if we'll see another Joan Jett/go-gos type rocker, like Suzi quattro, Lita Ford, Liz Phair, inducted (in like an attempt to inspire women rockers to like pick up an instrument).

Williams is a pretty massive rock star, along with like jack white she's probably one of the last really great front people (she might actually be the last one to emerge in rock), and her comments are getting a lot of attention.

https://www.nme.com/news/music/paramore-hayley-williams-wet-leg-interview-guitar-sexist-comments-3372576

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 12:49pm

I've seen Paramore 5 times at least and every time Hayley Williams (and the band) has delivered the goods! She is the real deal. If you ever have a chance to see them...you should!

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 14:25pm

Mat R,
Actually Sheryl Crow plays the guitar..... And several women recently inducted in the Rock Hall play instruments.

• Dolly Parton plays guitar as well as other instruments.
• Carly Simon plays the piano
• Carole King plays the piano
• The Go-Go's an all girl band play instruments.
• Pat Benatar doesn't play an instrument but she is a Rock act.
• Tina Turner doesn't play any instruments either but is a Rock act as well.

The truth of the matter is more women should be in the Rock Hall. Period. There should be a cross section of all types of female acts represented in the Rock Hall if they have the credentials and deserve to be in there which I feel the Rock Hall is doing a decent job at.

• The Rocker
• The Pop/Soul Diva
• The Singer Songwriter

It's all about balance.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 16:48pm

Aria Diamond

Yes I know but Sheryl and everyone you listed falls into a category outside of what I was talking about: the rocker type.

The gogos were like the lone example (I'm unsure of porl Thompson's gender identity and don't want to assign anything) since Joan Jett in 2015 of women rocking out and letting it rip on a guitar or bass as hard as any dude could. Like you mention there's a balance to be obtained but it feels like their lacking on that front.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 17:14pm

So, me and a few users on the Discord server decided to do our own Rock Hall draft. Here's who we drafted:

Raichu: Kate Bush, Weezer, Queens of the Stone Age, Destiny's Child, Beck, Modest Mouse

Speed Weed: Joy Division/New Order, The B-52's, Daft Punk, Kool and the Gang, Wu-Tang Clan, Sonic Youth

Greg: OutKast, Mariah Carey, Smashing Pumpkins, Cher, Black Flag, Iron Maiden

Plebeian: Soundgarden, Rage Against the Machine, Willie Nelson, John Coltrane, Scott Walker, Pixies

thoughts anyone?

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 18:21pm

I think the next acts to get the LL Cool J/Kraftwerk/Judas Priest treatment (aka inducted in the side categories) will be Kate Bush, Devo, Chaka Khan, MC5, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti, Motorhead, New York Dolls and Gram Parsons, I just don't see any of them getting inducted as Performers, I see them getting inducted via the side categories like Early Influence or Musical Excellence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 18:25pm

Mat R,

Yeah I would love to see a female Rock act like The Bangles, Suzy Quatro or The Runaways get in. But I just don't see it happening in the 2023 class. I feel like there is already a back log of female acts so they might have to wait a little bit

Posted by Aria Diamond on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 19:20pm

Richie, you just said yesterday Devo would be this years new wave candidate as a performer. I get opinions can change but in less than 24 hours? Wow heh

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 19:42pm

K-Dawg,

I think that it will be The B-52's and INXS as this year's New Wave candidates, rather than Devo now.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 19:46pm

Aria Diamond

I agree there's a backlog but they kind skipped a big name and you mentioned her: Suzi Quatro. She predates Heart, Joan Jett, Pat Benatar, and The Go-Gos (all inductees) and is literally the reason The Go-Gos and The Runaways existed (Belinda Carlisle just this month said it's weird Quatro isn't in) and why Tina Weymouth of Talking Heads played the bass. And it's not like she's some obscure figure either ('Stumblin In' was a Top 10 US hit and she had several UK #1s). Her omissions is kind of apparent especially when the faces of rock in 2023 are Mitski, Phoebe Bridgers, Snail Mail, and Haim, all women kind of built on the model Quatro, according to pretty much everyone, created.

With the 5 to 7 spots they'll probably use to nominate a woman will the hall ignore this kind of template, especially when someone like Quatro (and to an extent Phair) hasn't been inducted, or will they, having heard that sexism keeps women like Hayley Williams from playing on stage, say "no women can play as hard as any man and we firmly stand with them in fact here's Suzi"?

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 12/31/2022 @ 20:08pm

Vicente Fernández

Posted by Ricardo trevino on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 03:04am

What about him?

Posted by Mr. XFL on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 03:15am

Because they've been mentioned here, and they are a massively great indie band, Modest Mouse's founding drummer Jeremiah Green has died. I got shades of Taylor Hawkins, Keith Moon and John Bonham. The drummers are often the talent that suffer the most, although Green died of cancer. Is this MM's first year eligible? They would make a compelling nominee...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 05:35am

K-Dawg,
I believe its their 4th as they became eligible in 2020

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 06:17am

Mat R,

Listen I don't disagree with your comments about Suzi Quatro. I first became a fan of her work after seeing reruns of Happy Days where she played a rocker named Leather Tuscadero. I thought she was so cool. Suzi is definitely influential and made an impact. Seeing as she's in her 70s now, I say yes, put her in there sooner rather than later. I mean people are complaining there aren't enough rock bands in the Rock Hall as it is in favor of other genres. The fact is The Go-Go's opened the door to more female Pop/Rock acts to get in whether they play instruments or not. So it's only a matter of time acts like Suzi Quatro, Melissa Etheridge, Tracy Chapman, Liz Phair, The Bangles etc...get in. Hopefully that Haylie Williams article will light a fire under the Rock Hall if they're even listening.

Yes, the slots for women to get in are small, yet I don't see why an artist like Suzi Quatro can't get inducted along with Cher, Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow and Dionne Warwick. If one has to go in the side category, the public won't know or care. Just as long as there is balance and diversity represented.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 08:15am

Aria Diamond

Yea I've said quattro should get early influence a few times. But also you don't need to nominate the same 'tropes' over and over which is what the hall has kind of been doing with women.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 09:01am

Mat R,

Tropes? Like who?

Posted by Aria Diamond on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 11:04am

Chaka khan, even though its tires and she needs to go iim trying to remember who else. The voters like to throw the same names put 5 to 7 times, but not many women...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 11:53am

Aria Diamond

You mentioned it earlier. They seem to want certain types or tropes. The singer-songwriter (eg dolly, Carly), the rnb star (eg Dionne, Chaka), the pop diva (eg Janet, Whitney), the rocker (eg pat, Tina) the revolutionary (eg Kate, Annie in the Eurythmics).

With the exception of the go-gos, there hasn't really been much attention given the band or bandleader (beyond vocalist)side of things since Joan Jett. You've had like 4 or 5 singer-songwriter types but only 1 act where women were up front playing their instruments in a genre which is widely seen as a boys club (more so than say the others).

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 12:12pm

I would like to ask the following questions:

Who do you think will be this year's Pat Benatar/The Go-Go's?.

Who do you think will be this year's Duran Duran/Eurythmics?.

Who do you think will be this year's Eminem/Jay-Z?.

Who do you think will be this year's Foo Fighters?.

Who do you think will be this year's Carole King/Todd Rundgren/Carly Simon?.

Who do you think will be this year's Dolly Parton?.

Who do you think will be this year's Lionel Richie/Tina Turner?.

Who do you think will be this year's Judas Priest/Kraftwerk/LL Cool J?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 12:40pm

Richie,

1. Suzi Quatro or The Bangles
2. The B-52s, Devo, Joy Division/New Order or Tears for Fears
3. OutKast, Missy Elliott or Salt-n-Pepa
4. Soundgarden or Weezer
5. Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson or Tracy Chapman
6. Willie Nelson or Shania Twain
7. Cher or Diana Ross
8. The Meters or The J.B.'s

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 13:27pm

Mat R,

Well you're not gonna find many black artists fronting a rock band playing a guitar but they still have to be represented somehow. So the R&B Diva is not trope. That's ridiculous. As for female Rock artists, you saw how long it took the Go Gos to get in. But now that they're in, more female acts who play instruments will follow. The fact that the Rock Hall is playing catch up to induct more female acts period is a good sign. Like I said more female rock artists playing instruments will get in. But just because a female artist (regardless of genre or style) isn't strumming a guitar or drums hardly makes her musicality trope. How absurd.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 13:47pm

I have a funny feeling that this year's returning nominees for the 2023 ballot will be:

Beck
Mary J. Blige
Kate Bush
Devo
Iron Maiden
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick

With 4-6 first-time nominees nominated this year as well.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 14:28pm

Aria Diamond

......Poly Styrene (a true punk icon) and Tracy wormworth (is is a lock to be on a b52s nomination) don't exists? Also notice how I included a woman of colour in the rock and pop star tropes as well (including Jane Wiedlin who is Syrian)? Not to mention the yet to be nominated Tracey Chapman or Buffy saint Marie (how many indigenous singers are in? Not many)

There are plenty of women of colour making music outside of rnb and the hall actively thinks of things as tropes (it's why you end up with 1 or 2 acts on a ballot instead of 6 or 7 reflecting a particular genre or image - literally every nominee fits a trope including the men. The hall is well known for this)

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 14:52pm

Aria Diamond

I'm gonna add something here to: there's not many women in the hall for just playing instruments. Plenty of men but not many women (they're usually vocalists). That matters a lot.

Aside from Big Mama Thornton, the biggest overall hall snub is probably Carol kaye cause you know she played on every hit record ever recorded. You've also got people like Kim deal, D'arcy Wretzky, Wendy Melvoin, and Lisa Coleman. There's a lot.

Wendy Carlos is another big name due to her importance to the synth and electronic music and if we want the hall to be more inclusive, as you've suggested is a big goal right now, Carlos is probably the only trans person the has a realistic shot at induction for a long time. (Again unsure of porl's identity)

These are all people you can mostly induct in side categories or in bands and aside from Elisabeth cotton.

They really should do that majority or all woman ballot cause it would do so so so much

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 15:39pm

I think the most likely scenario for the next five Rock Hall induction classes is:

2023:

Kate Bush
Cher
Devo
Foreigner
Willie Nelson
Rage Against The Machine
Dionne Warwick

2024:

The B-52's
Coldplay
Joy Division/New Order
Chaka Khan
Diana Ross
Sting
The White Stripes

2025:

Bad Company
Missy Elliott
Lauryn Hill
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy

2026:

Alice In Chains
Boston
The Dead Kennedys
Jethro Tull
Linkin Park
Oasis
Salt-N-Pepa

2027:

Destiny's Child
Alicia Keys
The Replacements
The Strokes
TLC

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 16:28pm

Richie, why did you forget about Iron Maiden?

Posted by Johnny on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 17:44pm

Richie what makes you think that those scenarios are the most likely?

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 17:55pm

Btw anyone see rolling Stone's top 200 singers lists?

It's pretty bad but worth a look

Also guess who missed it?.....Celine Dion lol

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-singers-all-time-1234642307/

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 17:56pm

Johnny,

I really want Iron Maiden to get in, but I'm not optimistic that they will get in via the Performers category given that Judas Priest couldn't, I see them getting the same treatment as Priest (aka they'll get inducted via Musical Excellence just like Priest).

Greg F,

I feel that these are very likely scenarios IMO.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 18:11pm

Richie why do you think that?

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 19:26pm

Greg F,

Sometimes I think he draws names out of a hat lol.

Part of the fun of this is that it's all a crapshoot. No one really knows what direction the committee is gonna go in, and that's the fun and the madness of it all.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 19:40pm

Tbh of like the remaining big metal acts not in who probably could get in (so Maiden, scorpions, Crue, Alice in chains, Motorhead, faith no more, dio, living color, poison, slayer, Ozzy, Lita Ford, Megadeth) I think they'll need side categories for about half of them.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 20:36pm

Mat R,

Last year, Joe and Kristen of the Who Cares About the Rock Hall? podcast attempted to predict the next 15 Rock Hall classes and they were:

2022: Eminem (got in), Pat Benatar (got in), Duran Duran (got in), Mariah Carey, The B-52's, Soundgarden
2023: OutKast, Dionne Warwick, Joy Division/New Order, Foreigner, George Michael, Cher
2024: Coldplay, Lauryn Hill, The Smiths, Rage Against The Machine, Eurythmics (got in in 2022), Snoop Dogg
2025: Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, Beck, Jethro Tull, Devo, Roberta Flack
2026: Judas Priest (got in via Musical Excellence in 2022), Carly Simon (got in in 2022), The Commodores (Lionel Richie got in solo in 2022), Salt-N-Pepa, Phil Collins, Weezer
2027: Alicia Keys, Patti LaBelle, Smashing Pumpkins, Wu-Tang Clan, The White Stripes, INXS
2028: Justin Timberlake, Mary J. Blige, Sheryl Crow, Motley Crue, Pixies, TLC
2029: Beyonce, Kanye West, No Doubt, Iron Maiden, Diana Ross, Dave Matthews Band
2030: The Killers, Rihanna, A Tribe Called Quest, Oasis, Motorhead, Alanis Morissette
2031: Blink-182, Lil' Wayne, Jane's Addiction, Fiona Apple, The Bangles, Kool & The Gang
2032: Taylor Swift, The Strokes, Amy Winehouse, Dr. Dre, Kate Bush, Alice In Chains
2033: Adele, Daft Punk, Nas, Aaliyah, Thin Lizzy, Stone Temple Pilots
2034: Lady Gaga, Usher, Gloria Estefan, Vampire Weekend, Busta Rhymes, The Replacements
2035: Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Britney Spears, LCD Soundsystem, Destiny's Child, Sting
2036: Bruno Mars, Nicki Minaj, John Mayer, Arcade Fire, Bjork, Linkin Park

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/1/2023 @ 23:37pm

If the RHoLame is just gonna put metal/hard rock acts in side/consolation categories while giving the likes of schlocky pop acts like Lionel Richie the highest honors, they can just p!$$ off already, because they're just as useless as shows like the American Music Awards…

Similarly, the likes of Poison, Motley Crud, and solo Lita Ford have NO business getting any HoF consideration, given that they're on the level of Lionel Richie (aka 'the black Kenny Rogers'), only with with loud guitars…

Posted by Mr. XFL on Monday, 01/2/2023 @ 02:07am

Mat R,

I got some females playing instruments in mind. There is the Bangles, Susan Tedeschi, Memphis Minnie, Elizabeth Cotten Mother Maybelle Carter and Tracy Chapman. These are all snubs one way or another,

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01/2/2023 @ 02:35am

I think the most likely scenario for the Rock Hall in the next five years is:

2023:

Nominees:

Kate Bush
Cher
Destiny's Child
Devo
Missy Elliott
Foreigner
Iron Maiden
The J. Geils Band
Fela Kuti
Willie Nelson
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Boz Scaggs
Steppenwolf
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick

Inductees:

Kate Bush
Cher
Destiny's Child
Devo
Foreigner
Willie Nelson
Rage Against The Machine
Dionne Warwick

2024:

Nominees:

The B-52's
Coldplay
Missy Elliott
Lauryn Hill
Iron Maiden
Grace Jones
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti
The Meters
New Order
Diana Ross
Boz Scaggs
Soundgarden
Sting
Thin Lizzy
A Tribe Called Quest
The White Stripes

Inductees:

The B-52's
Coldplay
Grace Jones
Chaka Khan
New Order
Diana Ross
Sting
The White Stripes

2025:

Nominees:

Anthrax
Bad Company
Beck
Culture Club
De La Soul
Missy Elliott
The Flying Burrito Brothers
Lauryn Hill
Joy Division
Lenny Kravitz
Patti LaBelle
Cyndi Lauper
Oasis
Soundgarden
Sun Ra
Thin Lizzy
War

Inductees:

Bad Company
Culture Club
Missy Elliott
Lauryn Hill
Joy Division
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy

2026:

Nominees:

Alice In Chains
Boston
Jeff Buckley
Brandi Carlile
Bryan Ferry
The Dead Kennedys
Jethro Tull
Patti LaBelle
Linkin Park
Motorhead
Oasis
Pet Shop Boys
Salt-N-Pepa
Smashing Pumpkins
Tangerine Dream
A Tribe Called Quest
Weezer

Inductees:

Alice In Chains
Boston
Brandi Carlile
The Dead Kennedys
Jethro Tull
Linkin Park
Oasis
Salt-N-Pepa

2027:

Nominees:

Alphaville
Blur
Canned Heat
De La Soul
INXS
Rick James
Kansas
Alicia Keys
Patti LaBelle
MC Lyte
Megadeth
The Replacements
Elliott Smith
The Strokes
TLC
Tower Of Power
XTC

Inductees:

Blur
Alicia Keys
Megadeth
The Replacements
The Strokes
TLC
Tower Of Power
XTC

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/2/2023 @ 15:35pm

Thinking is not your strong suit…

Posted by Mr. XFL on Monday, 01/2/2023 @ 18:43pm

1.Kate bush
2.OutKast
3.soundgarden
4. The smiths for musical excellence
5. Diane Warwick, Roberta flack, or Mary wells
6. Willie Nelson or a different country artist
7. Megadeath or king crimson (might give Robert fripp a back door)

Early influence: nick drake

Posted by Mikhail on Monday, 01/2/2023 @ 19:23pm

My predictions for the 2023 nominees are:

Bryan Adams
Beck
Kate Bush
Mariah Carey
Sheryl Crow
Destiny's Child
Devo
Dr. Dre
Cyndi Lauper
Los Lobos
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Salt-N-Pepa
"Weird Al" Yankovic

If that happens to be the list, Here's what I think would happen:

Mariah Carey, Sheryl Crow, Dr. Dre and Cyndi Lauper all get in easily, Rage Against The Machine also gets in because they have no real competition for the rock band slot, Beck too because he's a huge critical favorite and I think he'll get in on his second try just like Radiohead (another huge critical favorite) did and Kate Bush also because she had a huge year this past year with Running Up That Hill being featured in Stranger Things and her resurgence because of it.

So all in all, I think the inductees would be:

Beck
Kate Bush
Mariah Carey
Sheryl Crow
Dr. Dre
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against The Machine

with Devo and Chaka Khan getting in via Musical Excellence.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/2/2023 @ 22:59pm

Dr. Dre is a woman-abusing piece of trash who should NOT be inducted again!

People need to clap back on this heinous notion of honoring scumbags…

Posted by Mr. XFL on Monday, 01/2/2023 @ 23:03pm

P.S.- Weird Al deserves it based on his vast musical accomplishments, and honoring trash (again) over him will be the final nail in the RHoLame's credibility coffin (though for the record, I don't see either getting nominated any time soon)…

Posted by Mr. XFL on Monday, 01/2/2023 @ 23:07pm

Mr XFL

Do you have any predictions or do you just want to pop on other people's predictions?

Also funny that you single out Dre predictions, no one is saying he's a good person, when your named for a Vince McMahon project

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 01/3/2023 @ 10:22am

Our first rock hall member death of the new year has taken place, unfortunately. (Unless he actually died in the last days of 2022 and we're just now finding out). Now more than half of the class of 2000 is dead.

Since the ceremony, Christine McVee, Tommy Facenda, Jim Stewart, Dino Danelli, and Fred White have died.

Living Members of Each Class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 7/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 21/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1998: 18/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2003: 16/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, and Bill Medley)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 27/70 (Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 18/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)
2022: 25/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, and Elizabeth Cotten)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/3/2023 @ 15:39pm

What do you think is the most likely scenario for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 01/3/2023 @ 18:14pm

I am astounded that performers such as Three Dog Night, Cher, Diana Ross, Paul Anka and Neil Sedaka have not been inducted. How can such performers be overlooked annually compared to some of the other nominated/inducted artists?

Posted by Ron Lange on Tuesday, 01/3/2023 @ 22:20pm

Ron Lange

Dianna Ross is actually in as a member of the supremes.

And Paul Anka isn't cause he's Canadian and kinda cheesy

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 01/3/2023 @ 22:57pm

Diana Ross went on to have a successful solo career.

MY WISHLIST

Bad Company
Crazy Horse
The Belmonts
The Silver Bullet Band
The Smiths
Steppenwolf
Hootie and the Blowfish
Iron Maiden
Dio
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer

King Crimson
Jefferson Starship
The Alan Parsons Project
Interpol
The White Stripes
Wings
The Jeff Beck Group
Canned Heat
Big Brother and the Holding Company
REO Speedwagon

Huey Lewis and the News
Robert Palmer
Steve Winwood
Violent Femmes
Soundgarden
Alice in Chains
Alanis Morissette
Billy Idol
Kansas
George Thorogood and the Destroyers

The Fabulous Thunderbirds
The Georgia Satellites
Whitesnake
Phoenix
Death Cab for Cutie
Muse
Queensryche
Motley Crue
Blue Oyster Cult
Motorhead

Steve Miller Band
The Wailers
Devo
Oingo Boingo
They Might Be Giants
The Sonics
Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

Procol Harum
America
Asia
Boston
Foreigner
Foghat
Three Dog Night
Grand Funk Railroad
Supertramp
White Lion

Pixies
Quiet Riot
Skid Row
Anthrax
Megadeth
Slayer
Pantera
The Smashing Pumpkins
Stone Temple Pilots
Vanilla Fudge

Donald Fagen
John Fogerty
Toto
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Warrant
Backstreet Boys
*NSYNC
Spice Girls
Britney Spears
Smash Mouth

Herman's Hermits
The Monkees
The Marvelettes
Dead Kennedys
Black Flag
Pet Shop Boys
The Cult
The Archies
Nickelback
The Revolution

Lenny Kravitz
Southern Culture on the Skids
Gov't Mule
Uncle Tupelo
Peter Frampton
Kenny Loggins
Loggins and Messina
Eddie Money
Bryan Adams
Loverboy

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 01/4/2023 @ 00:47am

Alright here is MY WISH LIST.

B52s
Bad Company
Blue Oyster Cult
Mariah Carey
Crazy Horse
Shery; Crow
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Fabulous Thunderbirds
Gov't Mule
Harold Melvyn & the Bluenotes
Herman's Hermits
Billy Idol
Iron Maiden
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Cyndi Lauper
Loggins & Messina
Dave Matthews Band
Willie Nelson
Outkast
Robert Palmer
Procol Harum
The Roots
Diana Ross
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Steve Winwood

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01/4/2023 @ 02:50am

Completely revised

Bad Company
Crazy Horse
The Belmonts
The Silver Bullet Band
The Smiths
Steppenwolf
Hootie and the Blowfish
Iron Maiden
Dio
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer

King Crimson
Jefferson Starship
The Alan Parsons Project
Interpol
The White Stripes
Wings
The Jeff Beck Group
Canned Heat
Big Brother and the Holding Company
REO Speedwagon

Huey Lewis and the News
Robert Palmer
Steve Winwood
Violent Femmes
Soundgarden
Alice in Chains
Alanis Morissette
Billy Idol
Kansas
George Thorogood and the Destroyers

The Fabulous Thunderbirds
The Georgia Satellites
Whitesnake
Phoenix
Death Cab for Cutie
Muse
Queensryche
Motley Crue
Blue Oyster Cult
Motorhead

Steve Miller Band
The Wailers
Devo
Oingo Boingo
They Might Be Giants
The Sonics
Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker

Procol Harum
America
Asia
Boston
Foreigner
Foghat
Three Dog Night
Grand Funk Railroad
Supertramp
Rage Against the Machine

Pixies
Quiet Riot
Skid Row
Anthrax
Megadeth
Slayer
Pantera
The Smashing Pumpkins
Stone Temple Pilots
Vanilla Fudge

Donald Fagen
John Fogerty
Toto
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Warrant
Echo and the Bunnymen
The Psychedelic Furs
Joy Division
New Order
Glenn Frey

Herman's Hermits
The Monkees
The Marvelettes
Dead Kennedys
Black Flag
Pet Shop Boys
The Cult
The Black Crowes
Nickelback
The Revolution

Lenny Kravitz
Counting Crows
The B-52s
The Diamonds
Peter Frampton
Kenny Loggins
Loggins and Messina
Eddie Money
Bryan Adams
Loverboy

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 01/4/2023 @ 03:45am

Mat R,

I agree Paul Anka is totally cheesy. Its a reason we needed the Beatles and R Stones to change things around. My Dad told me something about this. Paul Anka was perhaps on Ed Sullivan 1963 and he was very boring. And then as the legend goes the Beatles were on the Ed S show. And then in Sept 1964 the R Stones were on Ed S show and showed a tough side to Britain. And this buried Paul Anka. Neil Sedaka same thing. After all by 1966 the Music scene was the Beatles, Stones , the Yardbirds, Bob Dylan, the Byrds, the Lovin Spoonful, Donovan, Temptations etc. I agree with you in a long post here.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/5/2023 @ 03:57am

Hey Garrus, how about some CONTEXT to your list??? Right now it looks like a random, mad libs-like bunch of names, most of whom will never be inducted (like it even matters at this point), nor should be…

Posted by Mr. XFL on Thursday, 01/5/2023 @ 04:23am

May I ask a couple of questions:

What do you guys think is the most likely scenario for the 2023 nominees?.

What do you guys think is the most likely scenario for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/5/2023 @ 19:41pm

Richie,

The same questions you always ask.

1. Bad Company - They are maligned by some posters, but they are the biggest name of a classic rock band with impeccable credentials not in the Hall of Fame. Paul Rodgers' seminal band needs to get the call.

2. Tori Amos - There is a ton of speculation on which 90s rocker lady will go in first, now that Pat Benatar has closed the door on the 80s. Tori was a huge part of the Lilith Fair, and she has the influence

3. Motley Crue - It hasn't been forgotten how they were (in some views) screwed out of the fan vote. They definitely will get another crack

4. TLC - I'm predicting the first hip hop female act will be this trio-turned-duo, who have stayed together even after Left Eye's tragic death 20 years ago.

5. Cyndi Lauper - the closest thing to a slam dunk for FYI, Cyndi clearly has both the public eye and the influence to get the call

6. Joy Division/New Order - with Duran Duran and the Eurythmics both entering, there's a vacuum on the ballot. These guys have been waiting long enough, and the trend is to induct the British new wave bands the past few years, so I'm going to put them above INXS and the B-52s for chances, but that doesn't mean the next nom won't be..

7. The B-52s - A huge year as they are wrapping up their farewell tour, the pioneers of college rock and LGBTQ darlings are all but guaranteed to have momentum

8. Iron Maiden - Now that Priest is in, their brethren in metal are only all but assured to see the bright lights of Cleveland sooner than later. The only question is, will the get ME'ed?

9. The Monkees - The last remaining totally 60s rock n roll act to not get in, and their influence cannot be ignored. I don't know what the issue has been for them not getting in 25 years ago. Micky Dolenz is the only one left, and correct this oversight before he's gone, RRHOF

10. Foreigner - You know they like the 70s rockers, and Foreigner's credentials give the rock populists a name to glom onto

11. Rage Against the Machine - will be a perpetual nominee until they are shoehorned in

12. Smashing Pumpkins - I saw them as easy favorites to get in once NIN and Radiohead were inducted, but it's getting hard to see when their turn will come. This might not be their year, but it is coming

13. A Trybe Called Quest - rap supergroups are going in slowly but surely.

14. Chaka Khan (either solo or with Rufus) - She'll get another chance or 2 before they put her in ME

15. Phil Collins - for all the ramblings about solo artists getting dual noms, put this poor guy in the deserved 2nd time

16. Willie Nelson - Yes, I'm predicting him to get a shot now that Dolly cracked the door. The country influence should end with him, at least until Shania Twain or Lee Ann Rimes (or Taylor Swift) makes a case

17. The Buzzcocks - Another punk band, and they don't get mentioned too often. Curious why

18. The Spinners - I'm gonna make a call that they're gonna get side-doored in this year. They're on my predictions because I hope I'm wrong and they go in the right way, like Kraftwerk and Priest should have, but at this point you take what you can get.

19. Mariah Carey - It's a big maybe, less sure of it than I was 6 months ago. She's got too much competition both in terms of female and pop/hip hop, but with Christmas coming, she always is in the conversation

20. Soundgarden - if the Pumpkins don't make a first appearance on the ballot, look for Soundgarden to make a return. There's just too many genres to give a clear path to.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 01/5/2023 @ 22:59pm

K-Dawg,

Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees (Tori Amos, The B-52's, Bad Company, Buzzcocks, Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Foreigner, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan, Cyndi Lauper, The Monkees, Motley Crue, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, The Spinners, TLC and A Tribe Called Quest). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/5/2023 @ 23:17pm

K-Dawg,

Nice list. As far as the Spinners. They have gotten a bit jipped We all know that Rock always does well since it is the RnR Hall of Fame. All my favs are the Good old music like The Who, Neil Y, E Clapton, Allman Brothers Band, Bob Dylan, Moody Blues, Earth, Wind and fire and the Spinners, etc, And also there has been a bunch of Rap with Notorious BIG and Jay-Z. I am not knowledgeable of Rap too well. But besides Rock I love R&b. And a glaring snub is the Spinners. Great R&b has gotten lost in the shuffle.
You mentioned Mariah Carey I agree she is a good choice but you mentioned Christmas is over. I think your list originates in Nov or Dec. A back up list is always cool. But I won't say Christmas could be used as an asset since it's once a year. But her hits will get her nominated for sure Like Someday, Emotions and Hero. Talk to ya

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/6/2023 @ 02:31am

Mat R,

May I ask you a couple of questions:

What do you think is the most likely scenario for the 2023 nominees?.

What do you think is the most likely scenario for the 2023 inductees (If somehow 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/6/2023 @ 18:55pm

Rick Krim is now the boss on the nomcom. Everyone keeps acting like this is the MTV officially....what do we make of these two posts and yes they are two different posts

July 2020:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDS7sKLHuqm/?igshid=OGQ2MjdiOTE=

July 2022: https://www.instagram.com/p/CgpZKe6Jgz2/?igshid=OGQ2MjdiOTE=

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 01/6/2023 @ 19:12pm

My wishlist with explanations

Bad Company- commercial success
Crazy Horse- Neil Young side project
The Belmonts- Dion backing group
The Silver Bullet Band- Bob Seger backing group
The Smiths- influential post punk band
Steppenwolf- first song to use the words "heavy metal"
Hootie and the Blowfish- phenomenal commercial success
Iron Maiden- power metal
Dio- power metal, and to make up for Ronnie's death; sidenote: add him to Black Sabbath
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer- making up for Keith and Gregg's deaths, and the definitive prog band

King Crimson- making up for Gregg's death
Jefferson Starship- phenomenal commercial success
The Alan Parsons Project- phenomenal commercial success
Sammy Hagar- greatly successful
The White Stripes- garage rock revival
Wings- Paul McCartney project in the 70s
The Jeff Beck Group- his 60s work and would be Rod Stewart's 3rd time
Canned Heat- successful Woodstock era band
Big Brother and the Holding Company- the band that made Janis famous, adding to the San Francisco sound and a performer at Monterey
REO Speedwagon- phenomenal commercial success

Huey Lewis and the News- definitive 80s blue eyed soul act
Robert Palmer- 80s blue eyed soul
Steve Winwood- 80s blue eyed soul
Violent Femmes- 90s college rock
Soundgarden- more grunge
Alice in Chains- more grunge
Alanis Morissette- phenomenal commercial success
Billy Idol- successful punk influenced hard rocker
Kansas- successful progressive/arena band
George Thorogood and the Destroyers- successful 80s blues rock band

The Fabulous Thunderbirds- successful 80s blues rock band
The Georgia Satellites- successful 80s blues rock band
Whitesnake- successful 80s glam metal band
Phoenix- successful indie band
Death Cab for Cutie- successful indie band
Muse- symphonic indie band
Queensryche- progressive metal band
Motley Crue- phenomenal glam metal band, pioneer of the heavy metal umlaut, with a star on the Walk of Fame
Blue Oyster Cult- successful arena band and pioneer of the heavy metal umlaut
Motorhead- speed metal band and pioneer of the heavy metal umlaut

Steve Miller Band- if they can induct NIN as a band they can find a lineup for the Steve Miller Band
The Wailers- Bob Marley's backing group
Devo- definitive new wave band
Oingo Boingo- successful 80s new wave band
They Might Be Giants- popular early 90s college band
The Sonics- definitive garage rock band
Dick Dale and His Del Tones- King of the Surf Guitar
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats- first rock and roll song
The Big Bopper- to finish the Day the Music Died
Chubby Checker- greatly successful 60s rocker, plus the Twist

Procol Harum- greatly successful symphonic rock band
America- greatly successful folk rock band
Asia- successful 80s prog band
Boston- phenomenal arena band
Foreigner- greatly successful arena band
Foghat- greatly successful hard rock band
Three Dog Night- greatly successful folk rock band
Grand Funk Railroad- greatly successful blues rock band
Supertramp- greatly successful prog band
Rage Against the Machine- more rap rock
Pixies- 90s college rock
Quiet Riot- successful 80s glam metal
Skid Row- successful 80s glam metal
Anthrax- to finish up the collaboration with PE, plus adding thrash
Megadeth- more thrash
Slayer- more thrash
Pantera- more thrash
The Smashing Pumpkins- more grunge
Stone Temple Pilots- more grunge
Vanilla Fudge- successful 60s psychedelic band

Donald Fagen- frontman of Steely Dan
John Fogerty- frontman of CCR
Toto- successful 80s prog band
Blood, Sweat, and Tears- successful Woodstock era blue eyed soul band
Warrant- early 90s glam metal band
Echo and the Bunnymen- popular post punk band
The Psychedelic Furs- popular post punk band
Joy Division- definitive goth band
New Order- symphonic post punk band
Glenn Frey- former member of Eagles

Herman's Hermits- to finish up the British invasion
The Monkees- greatly successful novelty act
The Marvelettes- to finish up the 60s girl groups
Dead Kennedys- more hardcore punk
Black Flag- more hardcore punk
Pet Shop Boys- popular post punk
The Cult- popular post punk
The Black Crowes- greatly successful Southern rock band
Nickelback- greatly successful post grunge band
The Revolution- Prince's backing group in the 80s

Lenny Kravitz- greatly successful Hendrix like musician in the 90s
Counting Crows- greatly successful folk rock band in the 90s
The B-52s- greatly successful new wave band
The Diamonds- greatly successful doo wop group
Peter Frampton- greatly successful musician noted for his phenomenal and innovative live album
Stray Cats- rockabilly revivalists
Twisted Sister- greatly successful shock metal band
Eddie Money- greatly successful arena musician who died several years ago
Bryan Adams- greatly successful arena musician
Loverboy- greatly successful arena musician

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 01/6/2023 @ 23:20pm

Wow Garrus your taste in music STINKS if you think most of those acts are Hall-worthy…

Also, you realize only 16-18 acts per year get nominated, NOT 100+ (none of whom you listed are black- hmmmm mmm) #racist

Posted by I. Azoff has Devil Horns on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 00:19am

I. Azoff has Devil Horns

......Garrus recommended Hootie and the Blowfish, in like the first dozen acts, who are fronted by Darius Rucker who is black. There's also Lenny Kravitz, Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats, The B-52s, Blood, Sweat, and Tears, Rage Against the Machine, The Marvelettes, The Wailers, Dead Kennedys, and Chubby Checker. There are a number of black artists on the list and also several Asian artists (Dick Dale and James Iha of the Smashing Pumpkins).

Garrus' post is absurd and annoying but calling him a racist for snubbing people of colour is just blantly wrong.

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 00:32am

I. Azoff has Devil Horns,

My list was an alternate list to Garrus. I am a huge rock fan with more diversity. My Wish list with explanations. Slightly revised

B52s-greatly successful new wave band
Bad Company-commercially successful classic rock band 1974-1982
Blood, Sweat & Tears- Band that played Woodstock with Jazz rock and Blue eye soul
Blue Oyster Cult-successful arena band from Long Island
Mariah Carey- One of the biggest pop singers of all time. Great voice. Deserves credit.
Crazy Horse- Correctly this is Neil Young's back up band
Sheryl Crow- One of the most talented Rock singers of the 90s
Emerson, Lake & Palmer- One of the greatest Prog rock groups of all time
Fabulous Thunderbirds- representation of 80s Blues rock
Harold Melvyn & the Bluenotes- One of the great R&B acts. Making up for Teddy P
Heatwave- One of the talented R&b/Disco groups
Herman's Hermits- Representation of the 60s British Invasion
Billy Idol- Big Hard Rocker of the 80s
Iron Maiden- Powerful metal of the 1980s
Jethro Tull- Popularized use of the flute and one of the biggest prog rock bands.
King Crimson- Innovative prog rock band. They go back to 1969
Cyndi Lauper-One of the biggest singers of the 80s
Loggins & Messina- Successful country rock duo of the 70s
Dave Matthews Band- Perhaps the biggest Jam band of the 90s
Willie Nelson- One of the great Country music icons
Outkast- One of the most successful Rap groups. Very successful duo
Robert Palmer-80s Blue eyed soul with a bunch of hits
Procol Harum- Highly successful symphonic rock band in the 1960s and 70s
The Roots- One of the most successful hip hop groups. Jazzy and eclectic approach
Diana Ross- One of the greatest R&b Legends
Soundgarden- One of the biggest grunge bands
The Spinners-One of the biggest R&b groups of the 70s
Steppenwolf- A key band of the 1960s with a couple notable hits and albums
Steve Winwood- Big solo career in 1980s and 90s

I think this would be considered better than Garrus one.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 03:09am

My possible 2023 nomination predictions!

Bad Brains
Kate Bush
Garth Brooks
Mariah Carey
Commodores
Sheryl Crow
De La Soul
Devo
INXS
Iron Maiden
Kool & The Gang
Motorhead
Rage Against the Machine
Diana Ross
TLC
Weezer

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 05:41am

Going down the rock krim rabbit hole and relistening to the who cares pod episode with him and there's an interesting section

They talk about Benatar not getting in in 2020 and krim asked Joe and Kristen who else they could see on the ballot. First three names mentioned are Carole King, Tina Turner, and the go-gos all of whom got in in 2021. Then they list Carly Simon and Eurythmics who got in with Benatar last year.

That an interesting coincidence that this guy who is now the head of the nomcom had this conversation a little under 3 years ago and then all but two artists mentioned have gone in.

There are mentioned were two names have that haven't appeared on a ballot yet: the b52s and pixies. Now of course krim isn't some nomcom dictator who is making calls based on a podcast he did (dmc iirc pushed Carly onto the ballot) but that is a pretty wacky coincidence. Do we see this come to completion this year with the b52s and pixies? Hehe

Thoughts?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 09:22am

Mat R,

Well both of those bands involved women & it's important that these ladies should be recognized for their work. It could happen sooner than later but it's a matter of time unless the committee really stop nominating early acts for inclusion.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 09:57am

Garrus,

Is your list based on choices of this year's nominations or it's something else because you're putting way too much picks out there.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 10:00am

My 2023 nominee wants and predictions
*signifies who i think would get inducted
im predicticting 18 nominees and 8 performer inductees this year as the hall keeps increasing its numbers each year under sykes it seems
Wants:
Jethro Tull*
DEVO*
Kate Bush*
New York Dolls*
MC5
Joy Division/New Order*
B52s
Weird Al Yankovic
Boston
Smiths
Warren Zevon*
Replacements*
Iron Maiden
Motorhead
Pixies
Steppenwolf
Buzzcocks
Cramps*

Predictions
Kate Bush*
Outkast*
Weird Al Yankovic
Cramps
B52s
DEVO*
Oasis
Soundgarden*
Motorhead
Chaka Khan
Cyndi Lauper*
ATCQ
Jethro Tull*
Warren Zevon
War
Cher
Joy Division/New Order
Cher
MC5*
Dionne Warwick

My wants should be self explanatory because those are artists that i just want in, however i did try to factor it by who is most likely to get in, i love steppenwolf but the goddamn singles category to me seems to spoil their chances sadly.

Predictions have more reasons behind them though, i wasn't thinking a weird al nom was even possible before reading your comments and then it occured to me, hes been riding a huge wave of press and attention because of the movie, which has seen huge acclaim and as proven by the go go's, is a pretty surefire path to induction, although he might get by on musical excellence. Kate Bush is very easy to predict, her music has never been more visible after stranger things, on top of the notice in nominations shes already recieved from the hall.and it might be wishful thinking but with their appearance in the wednesday show i think the cramps have their best shot ever! i personally don't believe in the hometown arguement for devo, but it doesn't hurt at all, plus john sykes has shown a lot of love for mtv era acts so far and whip it was a staple, add in the love shack video and the b52s don't have a bad shot either. soundgarden made my predictions but not my wants cause truth be told i only know their big hits, haven't gotten proper into them yet, but the hall seems to rotate 90s acts around and this might be their year, i don't think rage will make ballot this year after a few years of coming short, theyll come back however. oasis are an ignored 90s act i see a nomination for but induction im so so on, theyd draw crowds but im not sure they have the critical backing. i dont really see any of this years newly eligables as even making nominations, no disrespect but seeing the backlog, im not sure any of them are more than the many still on the outside looking in. Outkast will take the hip hop spot, which they absolutley deserve btw. im rooting for the dolls but i think theyre vote is split between them and the mc5, and the hall will definitly go for the mc5 over the dolls. i could see a major push this year. and jethro tull could make it on the traditional classic rock pick

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 11:18am

Will M,

You predicted 18 nominees and 8 performer inductees this year, but you predicted 19 nominees instead of 18 and only predicted seven Performer inductees, not 8, so who do you think would be the 18 nominees and 8 Performer inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 11:34am

whoops, my mistake, id say cut out both chers i listed, didnt mean to write her twice, and as for my seventh inductee, joy division/new order

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 11:46am

With the INXS vs new order/joy division debate about who is the next new wave act, there's a new wave artist whose name no one has mentioned recently and it's very weird cause he's more like Duran Duran than either as he's an early MTV icon who is also was big in the early days of new wave and took part in a ceremony recently: billy idol

Idol just got a Hollywood walk of fame star and did a good interview with variety about his career and legacy. Good timing for a nod?

https://variety.com/2023/music/news/billy-idol-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-interview-1235479903/

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 11:48am

Billy Idol just doesn't scream RRHOF to me. He's had some hits, but he's unimpressive as a whole compared to a vast majority of acts. He ticks the rockist boxes, who probably swear the 3 songs heard on classic rock stations (Rebel Yell, White Wedding and Mony Mony) make him more worthy than Chuck Berry, but nothing about him stands out to me as influential. Compared to JD/NO and INXS, he doesn't have the lasting impact, at least on the charts. My .02

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 11:58am

Mat R,

I definitely have to agree with you on Billy Idol, I think that he could definitely get nominated this year and if nominated, I think that he would get in right away as well, because of recent classes (The Go-Go's, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and Eurythmics getting in the last two years) and the 80's being the dominant decade now with the Rock Hall, I think that he will definitely get nominated in the next 2-3 years if not this year and if nominated, I think that he'll get in on his first try.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 12:04pm

K dawg

Largely hear ya. He does half a lot of songs including the 3 you mentioned that get heavy rotation and fits into a few boxes (punk, hard rock, new wave) but yea he's not as influential as the others.

He is however a big personality, like he has an outsized footprint on pop culture (kind of like a Paula Abdul or Tommy Lee or even Lionel Richie). He's also one of those staple guys for rock docs and VH1, fantastic interviews and as a talking head (again personality), and with krim and Sykes being at VH1 I think that helps him.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 12:31pm

As much as I love Joy Division/New Order, I just think that they are too British and too Alternative to get in right away with the current voting committee, I think that it will take JD/NO 2-3 nominations to get in just like The Cure, Depeche Mode and Eurythmics. I just think that their lack of name recognition in the US will really hurt their chances of getting in right away, Yes, Roxy Music and T. Rex both got in right away, but they both have a lot of respect among the living inductees and musicians, JD/NO doesn't, so I see them being more like The Smiths and not getting in right away, I think the only 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that will get in right away when they get nominated are The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol and maybe Tears For Fears and Culture Club.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 13:29pm

Ritchie,

I strongly disagree about joy division/new order, they're significantly acclaimed and only grow more beloved with time, if they were nominated I only see that as going straight in. Plus, they are definitely not too indie or obscure considering new orders many hit singles in the uk, and while they never really broke through here, they can still sell out stadiums, just like a band who had a similar predicament, Roxy Music.

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 13:37pm

Ritchie,

I strongly disagree about joy division/new order, they're significantly acclaimed and only grow more beloved with time, if they were nominated I only see that as going straight in. Plus, they are definitely not too indie or obscure considering new orders many hit singles in the uk, and while they never really broke through here, they can still sell out stadiums, just like a band who had a similar predicament, Roxy Music.

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 13:37pm

Ritchie,

I strongly disagree about joy division/new order, they're significantly acclaimed and only grow more beloved with time, if they were nominated I only see that as going straight in. Plus, they are definitely not too indie or obscure considering new orders many hit singles in the uk, and while they never really broke through here, they can still sell out stadiums, just like a band who had a similar predicament, Roxy Music.

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 13:37pm

usually it's an annoyance to have a post double or triple, but this one by Will M. is perfect because it magnifies the shortsightedness of Richie's statement. If you think they'd have a hard time getting in over Billy Idol, Tears for Fears or Culture Club, you're not very aficionadistic towards music trends. Joy Division/New Order is on the same pantheon with the Cure, Depeche Mode and Duran Duran. Yes, it took some of the others multiple times to get in, but that dam has already been breached, so they'd skate in on their first try

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 13:43pm

Will M and K-Dawg,

I just think that their lack of name recognition in the United States will really hurt Joy Division/New Order's chances of getting inducted right away, I see JD/NO on the same pantheon with Devo, The Smiths, The Replacements, Pixies and Sonic Youth where their lack of commercial success in the States will hurt their chances of getting in right away, I see The B-52's, INXS, The Bangles, Billy Idol and maybe Culture Club, Tears For Fears and Pet Shop Boys being more likely to get in right away with the current voting committee than JD/NO because all of them have more commercial success and more mass appeal with the current voting committee than JD/NO.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 13:54pm

Name recognition isn't everything Richie. If were the case Roxy Music and T.Rex wouldn't be have inducted.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 14:05pm

Bryan Ferry, Brian Eno and Marc Bolan are all pretty famous in their own right....

Posted by Brian R on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 14:17pm

Not to mention Lou Reed, John Cale & Iggy Pop!

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 14:24pm

3 things

1) Richie is wrong about new order being an unknown in America. They literally are a platinum selling act in America with multiple top 40 pop hits and top 10 alternative hits

2) he's probably right about name recognition. Most of the big new wave bands that have gotten in have had rock star members. new order lacks that. Joy Division has Ian Curtis but he's more a dead cult Iron than rock star

3) he's probably right that they'll take 2 nominations....but so will almost every remaining new wave act including inxs, tears for fears, pet shop boys, and Huey Lewis and the news

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 14:57pm

I'll have to agree that if Joy Division/New Order is nominated, they'll be inducted. They will have no one else in their lane to divert votes away. Whether they'll be nominated soon is the question. I hope so.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 15:01pm

Eric

That's the thing: their lane is complicated because as much as people think they're a standard new wave act....their biggest hits 'world in motion' and 'regret' were in the 90s. They're in a boat more similar to Depeche mode and nine inch nails than Duran Duran and the Eurythmics and are probably also dealing with pixies and Sinead O'Connor as much as they are tears for fears and the b52s.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 15:31pm

Btw that's not even counting who are probably the biggest band in new order's way to claiming to be the most innovative electronic act that could be inducted....which is daft punk

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 15:33pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 15:35pm

Will M,

As much as I love MC5, I just don't see them getting in as Performers at this point, I think they're all but destined to get in as an Early Influence at this point, rather than as Performers.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 15:45pm

Ritchie,

That's definitely fair and I can totally see it, I'll take a back door for them. The Dolls are probably more connected with living voters like members of Blondie Talking Heads and REM, and figures like Marky Ramone And Patti Smith, I'd really want them in as performers and I'm more of a dolls fan than I am for the mc5

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 17:25pm

Will M,

Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Kate Bush, The Cramps, Devo, Jethro Tull, Joy Division/New Order, Chaka Khan, Cyndi Lauper, MC5, Motorhead, Oasis, OutKast, Soundgarden, A Tribe Called Quest, War, Dionne Warwick, "Weird Al" Yankovic and Warren Zevon). I know that you see Kate Bush, Devo, Jethro Tull, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, OutKast and Soundgarden getting in as Performers, but you originally had MC5 getting in as Performers as well, Who do you think would replace MC5 as the 8th Performer inductee if MC5 gets in via Early Influence?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 17:39pm

Ritchie,

I'd say Motörhead War or Warren Zevon. None of those artists have competition in their own fields on my ballot, unless Soundgarden might compete with Motörhead. I love the B52s but I'd see Devo getting over them bc of critical acclaim and industry connections like their friends in Neil young and David Byrne.

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 17:46pm

Will M,

I think that The B-52's would get in over Devo and Joy Division/New Order because they have had much more commercial success in the United States than either Devo or JD/NO, I think that The B-52's fall more in line with The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics in terms of commercial success as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than Devo and JD/NO, I think that JD/NO will take 2-3 nominations to get in and I think that Devo will get the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment (in other words, They'll get in as Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest), rather than as Performers, Same with Kate Bush, I think that she's definitely getting nominated and inducted this year because of the year she has had with Running Up That Hill and Stranger Things, but like Devo, I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment as well (in other words, She'll get in as Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest), rather than as a Performer.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 19:02pm

Ritchie,

not a chance kate bush doesnt get in as performer. her only obstacle to induction previously was her relative obscurity, which after stranger things is completely impossible. she has the massive critical acclaim, including coming from rolling stone, as well as signifigant friends in elton john, peter gabriel and david gilmour. and with her recent bout of success, she will without a doubt rock the fan vote. i can see them going for devo as musical excellence tho, id prefer them as performers, and while the b52s have more hits and album sales than devo, they dont really have as much critical acclaim. im a massive b52s fan but i dont exactly see them as a shoe in yknow, definitly will be inducted at some point, hopefully soon, but not above devo i dont see that happening, and definitly not above jd/no, who have huge commerical success and lots of acclaim around the board. jd/no if nominated are definitly a shoe in for me

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 19:18pm

id also add that while the b52s are more commerically successful than devo, its not by a super significant margain. and jd/no absolutley have much more record sales than either the b52s or devo

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 19:20pm

Will M,

You're missing a big name headliner and a big can't-miss Female act in your predictions for the 2023 nominees, I think Cher, Mariah Carey, Diana Ross (solo) or even Celine Dion (because she was recently diagnosed with a rare neurological disorder called Stiff Person Syndrome and they may nominate her this year because of her illness) are all strong possibilities for that slot, as well as Willie Nelson, Phil Collins (solo) and Garth Brooks. All of these acts would sell big tickets to the ceremony and bring big ratings to HBO.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 19:30pm

Will b

That is objectively not true

The cosmic thing went 4xplatinum in the US and platinum in the UK, it also resulted in two top 3 singles. Their debut also went platinum and they had 5 us top 40 pop radio hits. No new order studio album ever went platinum (two compilations did) and Devo only did it once and combined they only ever had 3 us top 40 pop singles.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 19:40pm

Actually looking into it blondie, talking heads, Duran Duran, the cure, Depeche Mode, the go-gos, and Eurythmics all never had an album as big as cosmic thing was for the b52s. The cars seem to be the lone major new wave band in the hall with a better selling album. INXS and Tears for Fears also have a better selling album.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 19:48pm

Also also


The B52s are super acclaimed like even more than Devo. That debut is like all out classic (it's high on the Rolling Stone Top 500) and 'rock lobster' and 'love shack' are widely praised. They're also insanely influential with rem, nirvana, and Weezer all deeply in debt to them and you know ru Paul's rise and the subsequent industry surrounding her.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 19:56pm

Influence isn't everything when it comes to fame. An artist can be famous through sales even if he contributes nothing to the development of music.

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 19:59pm

My 2023 nominees:

Wilco
Smashing Pumpkins
Johnny Winters -can't believe he's not in, along with Edgar
Lenny Kravitz
Steppenwolf
Jethro Tull
The Replacments -my favorite long shot
The Guess Who
Oasis

Posted by Dale Devino on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 20:30pm

I just realized that if the b52s get in ru Paul will 100000000% induct them. There is no one else that is as big a name that makes sense for them (even Michael stipe fails to make sense compared to ru)

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 21:46pm

Mat R,

I guess I'm underestimating the B52s, I really do love them and want them in, but it's like a Mc5/NYD where if they we're nominated together they'd take votes away from each other. I'd rather devo be inducted personally, but if it was B52s on the ballot w or w/o devo I'd absolutely have them on my top 5 fan ballot picks.

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 22:33pm

Will M

I actually think Devo is gonna run solo this year. They're probably the most influential New Wave band, aside from Joy Division/New Order, not in and after the getting pushed aside for The Cure, The Go-Gos, Duran Duran, and Eurythmics (such to the anger of Chris Stein) I think they get the lone like outright New Wave spot.

That said I think it's gonna be a difficult ballot and they'll get Musical Excellence (assuming they don't give it to Kate Bush) which I think is fine.

New Wave going forward is gonna be a difficult genre I think (I know some think it's clear sailing) because 90s Alternative, 2000s Alternative (Nickelback is eligible), Electronica (Daft Punk is eligible), and Indie Rock (Neko Case is eligible) are all now becoming eligible and there's the punk backlog (from Bad Religion to Blink-182) that must be dealt with. My thinking is The B52s will be the last FYN New Wave act, aside from maybe Billy Idol, and then Joy Division/New Order, INXS, Tears for Fears, Huey Lewis and the News, Human League, and Pet Shop Boys take to 2-4 nods each while Oingo Boingo and Til Tuesday get token nods to get Danny Elfman and Aimee Mann Musicial Excellence.

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 23:20pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/7/2023 @ 23:58pm

What makes you think Nickelback is gonna get nominated any time soon/ever, Mat R?

BTW, no one thinks Nickelback is any type of 'alternative' band…

Posted by EDS on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 02:17am

Mat R,

I can agree that Devo gets another run on the ballot this year. I am not sure Most influentail but Very influential in New Wave. They did get pushed aside for The Cure, The Go-Gos, Duran Duran, and Eurythmics. You say MUCH to the anger of Chris Stein. Im confused. Chris Stein of Blondie? I think he may a big supporter of Devo. PLease Please clear that up. I was a big Blondie fan 42 years ago. I recall Devo opened for Blondie. I googled to refresh my middle age memory. Let me know my theory correct. You mentioned Chris Stein out of nowhere. I am NOT a new wave expert at alll. I was into the 80s Arena Rock a lot more. LET me know

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 02:54am

Eds

Nickelback are post-grunge and it's an alternative genre (I know they're like the faces of the mainstream which is why I used them as an example). And cause they're were literally the biggest rock band on the planet from like 2001 to 2008, which is a quite impressive run, and have proved really influential (in particular on mainstream rock and country) and are undergoing a notable reappraisal, with guys like father John misty showing them love.

They're be like a 2030-something inductee which makes sense especially if Coldplay, the killers, white stripes, and maybe my chemical romance and fall out boy are in before them. Not much mainstream rock in the 2000s.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 07:39am

Tom Lane's predictions for the next three Rock Hall induction classes (If somehow 8 inductees each year) are:

2023: The B-52's, Mariah Carey, Cher, Sheryl Crow, Kool & The Gang, George Michael, OutKast and Dionne Warwick. with Kate Bush getting in via Musical Excellence as well.

2024: Mary J. Blige, Coldplay, Dave Matthews Band, Missy Elliott, Roberta Flack, Cyndi Lauper, Soundgarden and The White Stripes. with Devo and Chaka Khan both getting in via Musical Excellence as well.

2025: Bryan Adams, Destiny's Child, Lauryn Hill, Alanis Morissette, No Doubt, Oasis, Britney Spears and A Tribe Called Quest.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 11:51am

Richie

Pop
Cyndi Lauper
Kate Bush
Tom Jones

RnB
Destiny's Child
Mariah Carey
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Rap
Dr. Dre
Salt-n-Pepa

Rock
Devo
Bryan Adams
Suzi Quatro
Rage Against the Machine
Meat Loaf
Pavement

Comedy
Weird Al Yankovic

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 12:13pm

Mat R,

Out of your updated predictions for the 2023 nominees (Bryan Adams, Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, Destiny's Child, Devo, Dr. Dre, Tom Jones, Cyndi Lauper, Meat Loaf, Pavement, Suzi Quatro, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Salt-N-Pepa and "Weird Al" Yankovic). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 12:33pm

Adams, Lauper, Carey, Rufus, rage, Jones, Dre with Devo as musical excellence alongside Carol kaye

Mc5 and big Mama Thornton get early influence

Hype Williams gets Ertegun

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 12:43pm

As much as I love Boston, I'm not sure if they're super likely for induction. The first album is an absolute classic and I love later albums but the long gaps in releases (due to scholz perfectionism) hurts their chances I feel. Plus, name recognition might be a big deal. Tom Scholz is very respected amongst musicians but not a household name amongst the general public. As much as I adore Delp and his incredible voice, how many other people know his name? As opposed to Foreigner, who have I feel more well known names Lou Gramm and Mick Jones as well as Crimson veteran Ian McDonald, and a larger output from 77-87, unlike bostons 76-78, 86, 94, and 02 albums

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 14:11pm

If any band would take the arena rock/classic rock spot, I see it being Foreigner. They're Farewell tour definitely gives them some attention right now and they've got plenty of iconic songs and sales, much more than Boston on both ends. As much as I love Boston, many might only know more than a feeling (one of the best songs ever) or at least be restrained to the first album and maybe don't look back. While Foreigner hold onto Cold as Ice, Feels like the first, double vision, hot blooded, urgent, I want to know what love is, juke box hero, waiting for a girl like you, head games. Although I must concede they don't have one album as acclaimed or as successful as bostons self titled album is

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 14:21pm

Will M,

Which acts that you don't have on your predictions list for the 2023 nominees, but that you wouldn't be surprised to see them get nominated this year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 15:09pm

ritchie,

i could totally see another rage nom, Tom Morello is on the comittee after all. Beck appearing again is always possible but i think theyd move for another 90s alt band like AIIC the black crowes or as i said Oasis. theyre gonna keep shuffling through motorhead and maiden until one of them get in, dio (band) or rainbow could get thrown into the running, im a massive dio fan and he was snubbed for sabbath but i can absolutely see them throwing Ronnie on his own into musical excellence, sort of like what they did to steve miller, leaving him without the band

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 17:19pm

An earlier commenter mentioned Rick Krims Instagram which had a few mentions of 3 dog night, I looked at his page and there's also picks of him with Motley Crue and Jellyfish, with Akron mentioning jellyfish are "in my personal rock n roll hall of fame" does this increase either bands chances for induction?

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 19:50pm

An earlier commenter mentioned Rick Krims Instagram which had a few mentions of 3 dog night, I looked at his page and there's also picks of him with Motley Crue and Jellyfish, with Akron mentioning jellyfish are "in my personal rock n roll hall of fame" does this increase either bands chances for induction?

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 19:50pm

Will M

I mean it doesn't lock stuff up but guys in positions of power at the Hall have been able to get people in. Jann basically admitted as much about his reign (he literally stated in his book he decided to call it quits after everyone he wanted in was in). Also it sounds like Landau, the previous head, orchestrated Allen Grubman's induction (however the more I've learned about him the more he makes sense).

That said Ahmet had issues and was laughed at for some of his pitches.

I imagine Krim has more power over the side committees than the final ballot but probably has a lot of influence on the ballot (probably will decide how many names get on it, who talks when during meetings, and how the process will run).

He seems like a chill dude so I can't picture him like shoving Damnocracy (the band he put together for VH1...he also seems like pals with Sebastian Bach and Ted Nugent) down everyone's throats but give the history of Rock Hall officials he'll probably pull some soft stuff. He's a big prog and hard rock guy so I think Bob Ezrin is probably someone he'd honour with non-performer and yea I'm thinking he helps Crue and Motorhead and metal in general get on ballots (he and Tom Morello might even find a way to get Nugent in).

He also seems to like indie rock too.

I'm very curious about this guy and Canada, beyond his friendship with Bach, because he was behind the Rush nomination, produced the doc about Anvil, has worked with Sam Dunn a fair bit, and produced a doc about Raine Maida and Chantal Kreviazuk, who he seems to be friends with. Opening the Rock Hall to the third power nation in pop music (after the US and UK) is something that needs to happen to keep things fresh and he might be the guy.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 01/8/2023 @ 23:26pm

Mat R,

I can certainly see B Adams, Cyndi Lauper and M Carey inducted. I do NOT see Weird Al Yankovich being inducted that soon If the Monkees are always snubbed I think Weird Al is the same way. I love his parody songs but I do Not think the Hall has their mind on him.

Also which Prog Rock has Rich Krimms pushed for. I hope Jethro Tull/ That would be cool
J Tull have been a very long time

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 02:33am

Ben,

I definitely see him getting nominated this year but probably not inducted. He'd definitely get back doord as musical excellence

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 05:59am

Will m

Weird Al has some serious advantages over the Monkees. For starters, I think he's actually quite widely respected and always has been. He's a comic who became not only a pop icon but a lasting one (he's been a charting pop star for longer than Cyndi Lauper or Lionel Richie). He's also seen as one of the truly great video artists and you can't really tell the story of 80s or 90s or even 00s pop without him.

I also think dolly opens the hall up not to country, like everyone else here thinks, but artists who are icons outside of the traditional scope of pop: Willie Nelson, jimmy Buffett, john Coltrane, tony Bennett, Stephen Sondheim, Barbra Streisand and yea Weird al.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 10:28am

Mat r,

What disadvantage do the Monkees have other than originally being a variety skit show and the prejudice (a stupid one) that they weren't originally a band discovered in some random dive bar or touring a local county fair? They are by far the biggest snub of the 60s, and they did pave the way for music videos and rock stars being more than just drug addled pariahs and peace loving hippies...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 10:48am

Mat r,

I agree with you on that, I believe Ben made the monkees weird Al connection. I'm not sure if he could garner enough votes against his competition of nominated. Him getting nominated is more likely this year than ever before and I'd really want him inducted, but odds I'd put at like 60/40 of him getting in

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 10:51am

Will M

My bad lol (mixed up people) and agree 60/40 seems about right

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 10:58am

K Dawg,

i absolutley love the monkees, but i totally see their disadvantage. the nom com, with the exception of Steve Van Zandt very much wants to shut out pre 70s rock and many sadly see them as just the tv band instead of the great musicans and awesome comedians they are, they even earned Zappas respect!

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 10:58am

K Dawg

The Monkees disadvantages with older voters are best on display here in the first 10 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBEJ-GMuAgE

Meanwhile, most younger voters have no idea who they are.

That said you are right they are definitely top 10 60s snub (along with Cher, Dionne, The Kingsmen, Guess Who, Willie Nelson, and MC5)

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 11:23am

Will M

That's why I'm thinking a guy like Tom Jones is likely right now. Dionne and MC5 ain't working and there hasn't been a 60s inductee since The Zombies. I'm thinking some of the older guys might see a Tom Jones as a kind of Hail Mary to keep the 60s alive....and I think it'll work if they do.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 11:40am

Mat R,

As much as I love Tom Jones, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy, I think that there are other 60's acts that are far more deserving of a nomination and an induction than Sir Tom like Cher, Willie Nelson, Dionne Warwick, The Monkees, MC5 and The Guess Who, So for that reason, I just don't see him ever getting nominated (let alone being inducted) IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 11:48am

richie

other than cher (who they will wait on) i don't think any of those acts you mentioned are bigger names than him. when you zoom out and look at tom jones you end up with this icon who has been a major star for 60 years now. he was one of the artists who revolutionized vegas in the 70s, became this pop culture staple of both electronica and rap in the 80s and 90s, and literally had a #1 album 2 years ago.

he is not that influential, he just an icon which probably makes him a safer bet for an induction than you know the MC5 who can't get in.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 11:56am

Artists with top 10 hits in four different decades not in the Hall of fame:

Andy Kim (Not Rock and Roll, and only because of Christmas)
Maraiah Carey (Also because of Christmas)
Snoop Dogg
Cher
Britney Spears (Not Old Enough)
Barbra Streisand (Also not Rock and Roll)


If we expand beyond the top 10, we can include Weird Al and U2.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 12:00pm

Oops. Don't know what I was thinking when I brought up U2.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 12:05pm

Mat R,

but I have to respectfully disagree with you on Tom Jones, I just don't think that he's deserving of a nomination and an induction IMO, I think that if any 60's acts that are left get in, It should and will be Cher, Willie Nelson, Dionne Warwick, MC5 (as an Early Influence), The Monkees (maybe) and The Guess Who (maybe), but I think we're pretty much finished with the 60's at this point other than Cher, Willie, Dionne, MC5 (as an Early Influence) and maybe The Monkees and The Guess Who, So for that reason, I just don't see Tom Jones ever getting nominated (let alone being inducted) IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 12:09pm

Richie

That's why I said Hail Mary. He's someone who could get it off of fame and show some 60s acts should still get the ballot

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 12:15pm

Mat r

I fear it might've been Dionne these past 2 years that might've served as the 60s Hail Mary, idk how likely Tom Jones is on their radar, except for Van Zandt

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 12:24pm

But, if he was nominated, I do think he'd get in, your very right about him being an icon, he's still relevant (been mentioned in John muleanys stand up) and he recently toured with Van Morrison. He'd get in, if it might take 2 or 3 noms

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 12:28pm

Will M

That's the thing, Tom Jones is a 90s icon as much as a 60s/70s one. He was all over media then Mars Attacks, Fresh Prince, The Simpsons. He had that comeback album in 1999 that won him a Brit Award. He's also doing The Voice in the UK and just had his singer win it.

Plus the video for "Kiss" was massive on MTV and VH1, winning him an MTV Award, and you know who was at MTV and VH1? Sykes and Krim.

I actually think he'd walk-in.

The only real hold up is the Hall wants to be more inclusive to women and he's kind of a pig. He comes off really bad (not like creep-wise but chauvinist wise) in the famous Elvira story.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 12:45pm

Maybe it's just cause I'm young, but I never knew of his later come back, also what' did he do or say to Elvira?

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 12:49pm

Will M,

I think that if Dionne gets nominated again this year, I think she would get in this time on her third try just like Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Lou Reed, Deep Purple, Yes, The Cars, Janet Jackson, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails, Todd Rundgren and Judas Priest (via Musical Excellence) did in the past several years, I see her and Cyndi Lauper being the Female inductees this year if nominated, As much as I love Kate Bush, I think you're way overestimating her chances of induction as a Performer this year, I just don't think that Kate has the name recognition and commercial success in the United States to get in as a Performer, despite her huge resurgence this past year with Running Up That Hill and Stranger Things, I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment (in other words, She'll get in this year, but she'll get in as Musical Excellence this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did the past two years, rather than as a Performer).

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 12:49pm

Will M

His comeback was a massive deal in the UK it like outsold all other UK releases that year.

NSFW but he, according to her and a lot of people who know her and him, took her virginity and she couldn't handle it and he basically told her just to get out of his room. They then met again at a Vegas party a year later, she was hanging with Siegfried and Roy and they invited him over and she was like do you remember me and he was like (in front of Siegfried and Roy and a bunch of her friends) "yea you're the one who bled" or something to that effect.

Apparently that happened a lot. Not like abuse but he was just an ass

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 13:09pm

Actually random thought

There was a certain someone at the 2021 ceremony and has a lot of cross generational appeal. One of the last super mega music icons alive

There's also a well that isn't yet dry.

What do we think about Wings?

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 13:34pm

Mat r

I'm a massive Beatle maniac so I'd love to see wings inducted, but I don't see them being nominated at all, to most they're covered by Paul's solo induction. I really want another mass induction either through side categories or performers of backing bands like they did in I think 2012 with the miracle and famous flames. That's where I'd see a wings induction, alongside the silver bullets crazy horse and big brother

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 13:52pm

Will M

See that would make sense (induct them as a backing band) but Paul McCartney was a member of Wings and it's Paul McCartney. He's like the only guy a triple induction makes sense for beyond Clapton and he probably has a better claim than Clapton.

Paul's also like an ego guy when it comes to his music and I think he probably wants it not just for him but for Linda.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 14:00pm

Mat r

I could totally see Paul pushing for a wings performer induction including himself. He always insists that Wings were a real band and not just his backing band/side project, despite the critics and the public's ignorance. And wings were a real band, collaborative, and not just Paul's backing band. I'd love to see it but unless Paul campaigned for it, like he campaigned for his solo induction after John solo was inducted , I don't think the non com would really consider it

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 17:28pm

Will M,

What are your predictions for the next five Rock Hall induction classes (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 17:35pm

I could see Meat Loaf/Jim Steinman taking the musical excellence slot this year. Both their deaths are still in recent memory and he gives me similar vibes to Leon Russel and Ringo Starrs musical excellence inductions. And plus I love meat loaf a lot

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 17:41pm

Ritchie

Idk if I could possibly predict all that, I do have some ideas tho.

The White Stripes are an absolute must have FYE next year, there's no way they aren't getting in

If maiden can make it this year, then Motörhead will be up next, and after them Dio. Dios gonna be added to the metal pecking order to replace Judas Priest, and until one of them are inducted, maiden and Motörhead will take turns on the ballots

Mariah is kinda inevitable at some point, but I'm not a fan of hers personally, so I'd like to delay that as long as possible lol

And maybe not this year, but they're definitely gonna back door the MC5 through early influences soon, they'd also pull that for big mama Thornton, screamin Jay, and several of the bands that got shafted by the singles category like Steppenwolf and Chubby Checker

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 17:48pm

Will M,

What are your predictions for the 2023 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 18:05pm

rithcie,

as of current but im fairly confident in these eight for induction
Kate Bush
OutKast
Weird Al
DEVO
Dionne Warwick
Soundgarden
Cyndi Lauper
Jethro Tull

as for musical excellence, id predict a Meat Loaf/Jim Steinman nod but other than that im not sure, side categories are super hard to predict especially at this stage, early influences i can absolutely see the mc5 falling in, as well as a long term snub from the early rock era like big mama thornton or screamin jay, who should undoubtedly be in the main performers but theres not much else you can do. ahmet ertegun award i have zero clue, id like one for hilly krystal, im not sure if bill grahams ever gotten one but he absouletly deserves one if he hasnt, those are wants rather than predictions but i digress, i could see lenny kaye and Stein especially supporting Krystal

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 19:04pm

Will M,

besides Kate Bush, Devo, Jethro Tull, Cyndi Lauper, OutKast, Soundgarden, Dionne Warwick and "Weird Al" Yankovic, Which other acts do you see being nominated this year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 19:24pm

Will M

Few things

Meat Loaf/Jim Steinman probably will need a nomination first. I'm very curious how they'd work on a ballot cause Bat Out of Hell is massive and both guys had quite accomplished careers (I think they do get nominated together) but is Meat Loaf the type of person the voters will turn out for. Other than Jeff Baxter there hasn't really been a Trump guy on the ballot....I imagine the tribute would be Brendon Urie and Lea Michele doing "Paradise by the Dashboard Light".

White Stripes should be FYI but cause of Jack's reluctance to do Hall politics, the fact Meg hasn't been photographed since at least this ( https://i.redd.it/i3smtugll0t21.jpg ) 6 year old photo, the fact 2024 is stacked for possible FYI, and the fact there is no other indie act in prior I think they'll wait till 2026 unless Pixies/Pavement/Sonic Youth/The Smith/Stone Roses/Replacements are nominated and inducted this year or next year. The FYI factor is the big thing like you've got the Stripes, Coldplay, Lauryn Hill, and Britney Spears all eligible next year. I'm betting Coldplay, Hill, and Spears are nominated with Coldplay and Hill get in and Spears becomes a project who takes 3 to 5 nominations (like Janet or Donna Summer). White Stripes get in first year nominated so they'll get in before Spears.

I'm thinking Megadeth, Alice in Chains, and Motley Crue should be in that metal mix with Maiden and Motorhead. I don't see Dio on a ballot.

I agree they'll shaft people but how is the question. I think some like Thornton and MC5 get Early Influence proper but I'm imagining a newer better version of the singles thing where they like induct 5 to 10 kind of connected bands and artist via a special prize that they all kind of share like "The Grandfathers of Rap" and surrounding that term there's Sugarhill Gang, Last Poets, Pigmeat Markham, Kurtis Blow, and Rudy Ray Moore in like really small print on the plaque at the Hall.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 19:55pm

besides the 8 i mentioned for induction:

War, literally just a hunch ive got no other reason, they might get inducted too i could see that
Oasis, big 90s band
Foreigner, classic rock nom retiring soon too
NYDs, theyd lack the mc5 competion and still miss out sadly
ATCQ, significant hip hop snub theyd be brought back but get in on 3 noms
Rufus/Chaka, theyll keep going
Warren Zevon, i love him, singer songwriter spot, this wont be the year but when it is, letterman or schaffer will induct him
RATM, morellos in the nom com this train doesnt stop
the jam, a wildcard punk band that wont get in but worth the shot
rick james, a funk name and mtv star

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 20:09pm

Mat r

i'm not sure if meats politics would factor into the vote, there was a massive outpouring of grief when he died, even tho he very publicly died of his idiotic vaccine ignorance, and a lot of that came from liberal guys like Jon Bon, Chris Stein, Cher, Adam Lambert and Boy George. someone like ted nugent tho, his politics would absoultely factor into him being ignored by the hall and potentaily voters

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 20:22pm

Will M,

I agree with your predictions for the 2023 inductees except "Weird Al" Yankovic, I just don't see him getting inducted as a Performer, I see him getting Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did. I see Foreigner being more likely to get in than "Weird Al" IMO.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 22:00pm

Will m

Yea I'm not sure how they would factor in either. It's kind of an unknown because aside from Jeff Baxter (who was part of the doobie induction) and ice cube (who got in prior to Trump taking office) no public Trump guy has been on a ballot. There have been British Tories and those have been mixed results.

Meat loaf being American and openly pro Trump could be a disaster and it could be nadda. He, foreigner and lil Wayne (cause they also went that route) for sure in a better spot than nugent or kid rock or Kanye when it comes to induction likelihood.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 22:50pm

Mat r

this also opens the question into morrisseys racism and hatred keeping the smiths away. i think if they were on a ballot again, theyd get in, but the nom com wouldnt put them up because of his controversys. its unfair to andy mike and johnny but thats how it seems. also, are any members of foreigner trump guys? i remember they opened some dates for kid rock, but i also heard current member jeff pilson say politics were uninvolved and he also said a few things agianst trump around the 2020 election. id be very disapointed if mick jones was a trump guy. im american so im not really that aware of which recent noms and inductees have been tories

ritchie,

i could totally see that outcome and i wouldnt be disapointed at all, more the merrier! although al in my opion has about 60/40 odds of making it in if inducted and foreigner are a toss up

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 23:20pm

Will M,

I think Foreigner would win the fan vote if nominated, so I think that they would get in just like almost all of the fan vote winners did except Dave Matthews Band.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 23:25pm

with my nom predictions, i think the fan vote would finish like

1 Kate Bush
2 Weird Al
3 Foreigner
4 Soundgarden
5 Cyndi Lauper

with rage finishing in sixth

Posted by Will M on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 23:38pm

Will M,

I think the top five acts in the fan vote would be:

1. Foreigner
2. Jethro Tull
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. Soundgarden
5. Warren Zevon

with "Weird Al" Yankovic finishing in sixth.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 23:47pm

Will M,

As much as I love Kate Bush, I just don't see her winning the fan vote (let alone finishing in the top five) over bigger and more commercially successful and household names. I really just don't see it, Period.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/9/2023 @ 23:56pm

Ritchie,

You really underestimate Kate bushs fan base, it's always been significant enough but it's grown exponentially and she has more dedicated invested fans than ever before, on a similar level with fan vote finalists like Duran Duran

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:00am

Ritchie,

You really underestimate Kate bushs fan base, it's always been significant enough but it's grown exponentially and she has more dedicated invested fans than ever before, on a similar level with fan vote finalists like Duran Duran

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:01am

Will M,

but I have to respectfully disagree with you, I really just don't see Kate Bush winning the fan vote over Foreigner, Jethro Tull, Cyndi Lauper, Soundgarden or Warren Zevon, I really don't, so there you go.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:06am

Richie,

I disagree and think Kate Bush is likely to make the Top 5 in the fan vote. One thing to consider is that people in general have a very short memory. Who among the potential nominees has had the most recent worldwide hit record? Right now, it's not even close.

Now the Future Rock Legends fan vote? Less certain, but still likely.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:08am

I'm a massive Warren Zevon Fan, far far more than Kate bush, he's not getting top 5 in the fan vote no way. Zevon is very much a cult artist a songwriters songwriter, Kate bush used to have that status prior to her massive resurgence ,

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:13am

Im really rooting for Dionne to get an induction atp. All her peers sans Barbra (for well documented reasons) have been inducted and her being looked over is changing rapidly so before she sets sail for the afterlife, I hope the Hall lets her in so she can get the tribute her long career deserves.

Also, the trend has lomg been discontinued but I thought it was cool so here is my fave artist every year since 1986:

1986- Elvis Presely (kind of scandalous considering he owes most of his very career to many of the people he was given the honor or inaugural class with, but his voice is transcendent. I think the way he is viewed now gets in the way of just how much a talent he was, stolen or not.)

1987- Aretha Franklin (the one im most familiar with and just a national treasure. History will always come back to the gift this woman had.)

1988- The Supremes (still to this day underrated as literally the biggest hitmaking group in American history. 12 #1s??? insane for three black girls from Detriot)

1989- Stevie Wonder (so many hit songs that are actually classic and some of the best tunes in pop and R&B history. I think cause his career so long ppl forget when he was inducted, he wasnt even yet 40. thats like gotta be a record for solo artists)

1990- The Four Seasons (the movie about them is such an eye opener and really got me listening to the great harmonies they had)

1991- Ike & Tina Turner (im not real familar with most of this class ngl so I had to pick this but "river deep mountain high" is iconic)

1992- The Isley Brothers

1993- Etta james

1994- Elton John (got into his music a few years back. Absolutely deserving of every honor and im ashamed I didnt realize his immense catalog before. From "Daniel" to "Sacrifice" to "Bennie and the Jets" he just is loaded with some many great songs)

1995- Janis Joplin (unique vocalist)

1996- Glady Knight and the Pips (amazing harmonies and ranges, Gladys is soul personified. I was really into Th Shirelles too tho.)

1997- The Jackson 5

1998- Fleetwood Mac

1999- Billy joel (great catalog, "Piano Man" is one of my all time favorites)

2000- Earth, Wind and Fire

2001- Michael Jackson (as someone who's parents were born when he made his professional debut, I knew about this man and his music before I even knew of acts from my generation. Im not even gonna get into it)

2002- brenda lee (only cause the Christmas song but her voice is good too)

2003- AC/DC (as is obvious, I am not a rock guy but they are probably the best act of their induction year for sure)

2004- Prince (there really is no competition. Im still discovering new favorites and moments of this man's catalog and im amazed every single time. the definition of a superstar, an icon and a legend.)

2005- The O'Jays

2006- Blondie (Debbie's voice saves it all)

2007- the ronettes (frosty the snowman is better than sleigh ride if we talking holiday songs)

2008- Madonna (took me a while to warm up to her, but she's pop's leading lady and will remain so for decades to come)

2009- Run-DMC

2010- ABBA

2011- Darlene Love

2012- Guns'N'Roses

2013- Donna Summer (a true forebearer of electronic music as whole, underrated in almost every sense of the word)

2014- Cat Stevens

2015- Bill Withers ( a voice that seemed to always have a story to tell whether it was wistfulness, warmth or excitement- Bill could do it all in his heyday)

2016- Chicago

2017- Journey

2018- Bon Jovi (i had to really think on this cause Nina was right there but I remembered how much this band defined my early years of self discovery of my own music taste)

2019- Janet Jackson (a legend. simply one of the greatest artists, entertainers and role models of the entertainment industry. So glad she has gotten her flowers and her fair due. and there is still so much more for her)

2020- Whitney Houston (if you have been following i think you knew this was gonna be the pick. The greatest singer of all time and I wont be entertaining debates.)

2021- Tina Turner ( "Whats Love got to do with it" changed my musical world)

2022- Pat Bentar (very very almost went with Dolly, but "Shadows of the Night" is top 10 of the best songs to every come from the 80s so)

Posted by ABJ on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:15am

Ritchie

I can understand the reservations of her beating Tull foreigner cyndi or Soundgarden, but I just have a lot of confidence in her as a lock supported by her major resurgence, like Eric mentioned she had the most recent hit and she's become beloved by online pop fans, which inevitably leads to rabid Twitter users storming the fan vote

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:17am

Eric Tompkins

...Mariah Carey just had a #1. But seriously probably Weezer, Blink-182, and some people we don't talk about enough Ozzy Osbourne, Nas, but especially Snoop Dogg. None on the scale of "Running Up That Hill" (except for maybe Snoop Dogg's hit which I think did way better in Asia than Bush did) but I do think that's been dampened by "Master of Puppets" and "Goo Goo Muck" becoming hits and jus the weird nature of TikTok.

I do think Kate Bush is a lock for a nomination and will do quite well in the fan vote.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:26am

Mat R

I would absolutely love a cramps nomination so so much, idk if it's happening probably won't but this might be their best shot ever

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:29am

Will M

Yea I doubt they get it mainly cause the Rock Hall has this NY Dolls/MC5 obsession and can't do punk beyond that. Like the backlog there is too crazy atm it's weird cause punk has usually gone over pretty well with voters (Ramones, Clash, Talking Heads, Blondie, Nirvana, and Green Day all were FYI iirc + the Pistols, Stooges, and Patti all got in eventually) and rather than like attempt near sure shots like The Offspring, Black Flag, or Bad Religion they've been like 'here's MC5, Devo, and Bad Brains.'

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:43am

Will M,

but I really just don't see it for Kate Bush in regards to winning the fan vote, If you do want to throw a name out there that could be a serious contender to win the fan vote and I know that you will not agree with me on this, but I would mention Celine Dion, Yes, I know that she's not a critical favorite by any means, but you can't deny her massive record sales and global worldwide popularity, I think that because of the news last month that she was diagnosed with a rare neurological disorder called Stiff Person Syndrome that she had been battling for over a year that has forced her to postpone her Vegas residency at Resorts World in Las Vegas, cancel the remaining dates of the North American leg and 8 Summer 2023 shows in Europe as postpone the remaining European dates of her Courage World Tour to Fall 2023 and Spring 2024, I think that she could get a surprise nomination this year because of it and I think that she could win the fan vote and get inducted this year as a sympathy vote, plus she's a huge name that will sell big tickets to the ceremony and be a good headliner and bring good TV Ratings for HBO if she's well and healthy enough to attend and perform. plus she's got way more songs that people know and love than Kate Bush as well.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 00:58am

I've held off on putting Kate Bush on my nomination list, but I'll admit, if she does get nominated, it'll be a race to the top of the fan vote for her. The success of "Running Up That Hill" on Stranger Things can't be denied, and all of a sudden the song is heard daily on alternative and hard rock formats everywhere. Anyone that says she isn't a favorite or at least a strong darkhorse is uninformed...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 03:46am

Richie, I said it before and I'll say it again. If Titanic hadn't made "My Heart Will Go On" such a massive hit, she would be struggling to be known as anything but a niche performer out of Canada. As far as the "Stiff Person Syndrome" diagnosis goes, the Hall has time and again ignored legends who have passed. She isn't going to get any brownie points for a disease. I don't mean that to sound harsh, but they aren't here to go "poor thing. Let's give him/her a nomination because of their suffering".

Kate Bush is miles ahead of Celine Dion in terms of getting a shot at being nominated.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 03:50am

Chubby Checker
The Big Bopper
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
The Belmonts
The Diamonds
The Marvelettes
Herman's Hermits
Peter, Paul, and Mary
Lou Rawls
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle
Dick Dale and His Del Tones

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 01/10/2023 @ 04:00am

Choices for favorite inductee from each year. 1988 was an especially impossible pick, either The Beatles or Bob Dylan. Anyway:

1986: Elvis Presley
1987: Marvin Gaye
1988: The Beatles
1989: Rolling Stones
1990: The Kinks
1991: The Byrds
1992:Isley Brothers
1993: The Doors
1994: Elton John
1995: Led Zeppelin
1996: Gladys Knight and the Pips
1997: Joni Mitchel
1998: The Eagles
1999: Paul McCartney
2000: Lovin Spoonful
2001: Steely Dan
2002: Talking Heads
2003: The Clash
2004: Bob Seger
2005: U2
2006: Blondie
2007: Patti Smith
2008: Dave Clark Five
2009: Wanda Jackson
2010: Genesis
2011: Leon Russell
2012: Donovan
2013: Donna Summer
2014: Cat Stevens
2015: Lou Reed
2016: Cheap Trick
2017: Yes
2018: Moody Blues
2019: Roxy Music
2020: T Rex
2021: Tina Turner
2022: Carly Simon