The 2017 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

The 2017 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees will be enshrined at the induction ceremony on April 7th, 2017 in Brooklyn.

The inductees were announced on SiriusXM Volume at 8:00am on December 20th.

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Musical Excellence:

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Poor Nile. He really deserves better. I hope the NomComm just middle-fingers everybody and keeps nominating Chic anyway. Nile's entire body of work outside of Chic really is its own separate honor.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 08:12am


On one hand, im just glad they inducted more than 5. On the other, still not a diverse enough class, and it's a class that will add a lot more white male classic rockers to the voting body. They've created a vicious circle.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 08:16am


What a dickish thing to do. Give Nile Rodgers an award for musical excellence but simultaneously spitting in the face of Chic and the other members of the group. Rock Hall voters should be ashamed of themselves.

My prediction for brand new nominees that aren't first time eligibles is they'll start really pushing for Janet Jackson, The Cars and Depeche Mode and begin giving the tug for groups like Judas Priest, Motörhead, Sonic Youth, Massive Attack, De La Soul, Peter Paul & Mary, Mariah Carey, The Moody Blues, Soundgarden, The Smashing Pumpkins, King Crimson, Whitney Houston and Pixies. I can also see them giving Gram Parsons, The Marvelettes, Nine Inch Nails, The Smiths and War more chances for induction. One thing I know for sure about next year, Radiohead is going in, no questions asked.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 09:02am


My 2 cents on this year's induction class:

Yes and ELO: It's about damn time
Journey and Joan Baez: Wouldn't have been my first choices, but well deserved.
Pearl Jam: Inducted too soon. Should have waited another 5-10 years.
Tupac: Another rap act? Seriously?
Nile Rodgers: If you're gonna induct him, induct Chic. What an affront to snub his bandmates.

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 09:14am


"On one hand, im just glad they inducted more than 5. On the other, still not a diverse enough class, and it's a class that will add a lot more white male classic rockers to the voting body."

Diverse? How about talented? It's as if achievement has been replaced by ageism, race and gender. What should be considered is the record sales and the devotion of its fans.

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 09:20am


There you have it. The Big announcement of the 2017 Rock n'Roll Hall of Fame inductees.

Alright look at that! Electric Light Orchestra and Yes at the same time. I was being cautious. I predicted the J. Geils Band on purpose to avoid the disappointment of No Yes. I am very glad and proud of Yes in the Rock Hall of Fame. I like both ELO and Yes. I love Yes. Enig I know you are very Happy for sure. 2 Prog acts at the same time.

I also am so glad to see Joan Baez inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame. Some on here had some silly idea that since she debuted in 1961 she would be moved to Early influence. I told you no Way. She was a prominent Folk singer and Singer/songwriter of the 1960s and was a Woodstock performer. A Woodstock performer no matter how old goes in the performer category. This brings a singer/songwriter back to the Hall.

I was right about 4 out of 6. Joan Baez, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey and Pearl Jam. I had not predicted Yes only because of the ELO thing. The Hall has a bad track record with Prog groups. I see a bunch of voters did NOT agree. Excellent. Congrats to ELO and Yes!!Also Joan Baez.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 09:41am


Neither record sales or fan devotion should matter. Only influence and innovation. On that note, his is a pretty good class, much better than last year. Journey is defininity the weakest inductee, but it's not a horrible choice based on historical standards. Pearl Jam and Tupac are both totally deserved of first ballot induction. Good to see back to back years with a Hip-Hop inductee, great sign for the future. Hip-Hop is Rock and Roll, deal with it. Congrats to Rick on ELO finally making it in! Totally deserved and way overdue. Joan Baez and Yes getting in was also way overdue. Hopefully next year one of the British 80's alt rockers can get in (Depeche Mode, The Smiths, The Cure, etc). This is easily the Halls weakest area. Hopefully Kraftwek and the MC5 return to the ballot. R&B has been neglected the past couple years, since Bill Withers, hopefully Janet Jackson, The Spinners, or another act get in next year. Agree that what they did to Chic is a joke, but I think we all knew that was the direction it was probably heading. This clas also opens up a lot of roadblocks in the diffenent genre avenues particularly Grunge/90's Alt, Progrssive Rock, Hip-Hop, and Folk/Singer-Songwriter. Will be interesting to see who gets nominated next year!

Bring on the induction ceremony politics!

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 09:56am


"Neither record sales or fan devotion should matter. Only influence and innovation."

The Moody Blues even had a petition of over 5,000 names that was laughed out of the Hall Of Fame board room. They had top 10 albums and are still performing all around the world. I think that shows everlasting devotion and would warrant an induction. Not to mention their innovation in progressive and symphonic rock.

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 10:23am


Also I was starting to doubt my choice of Journey but they came through as an inductee for 2017. They were a key group of the 80s. Even though they are known far and wide as an 80s band their breakthrough was in 1978 with Infinity. I also know their 1st album was as a sort of Progressive instrumental Band in 1975 with no Singer. They soared with Steve Perry. Im just sharing some extra knowledge. I dont know that early Journey very well.

Pearl Jam and 2Pac both go in to represent the 90s. We all knew Pearl Jam would b inducted. Probably the biggest 90s rock Band of the 90s. I predicted 2Pac as the 7th inductee. So I was kind of right with him as a prediction. I was off on Chic. Chic probably couldnt get enough votes as a group. Rock Veterans do scorn them for Disco. Soo finally Chic will be off the nominee lists to make way for the Commodores, Chaka Khan, the Spinners and other R&B. The brand new class of 2017 is slighly more diverse than last year's with the Folk of Joan Baez. This brings back tbw Singer/ Songwriter concept.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 10:50am


"I also know their 1st album was as a sort of Progressive instrumental Band in 1975 with no Singer. They soared with Steve Perry. Im just sharing some extra knowledge. I dont know that early Journey very well."

Their first three records were Progressive Rock records, and they always had a lead singer. Before Perry, Greg Rollie was the lead singer.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 11:24am


Pretty happy with this class. Still disappointed no Cars induction, but I'm fairly confident they will get in at some point, now that they've gotten the multiple nominations. Although after two years in a row, I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out on a nomination next year but will be back the year after.

But as far as who is actually here. The two biggest snubs out of this class were Journey and Yes. It was especially ridiculous that Yes waited this long. Any leader of an important genre should be a no brainer. Can't call Pearl Jam and Tupac snubs since this was the first year they were eligible. But no complaints, obviously, with them. I've never been an ELO fan, but at the same time I don't disagree with their induction. Same goes for Joan Baez. So, really, nobody here upsets me.

In one respect I am glad they invoked the Mercy Rule and just backdoored Nile Rodgers. They should have done both Rodgers and Bernard Edwards, though. You know, since the Nominating Committee seems to be getting better and better and the voting block still leaves something to be desired, I don't know if I wouldn't mind giving one automatic induction that the Nominating Committee can decide on. I have a feeling they might finally push through Kraftwerk and MC5 and groups like that that are so important yet the voters seem to not fully grasp.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 11:33am


I'm happy with this class and I'm very happy that they went with six inductees. I do feel bad for Chic, but I think what will happen is that the NomCom will give Chic a break for now, and focus on other important R&B acts that could get in and then after a while bring Chic back. At least, that's what I hope happens.

It really is mind numbingly stupid that Dave Abbruzzese was left out of the Pearl Jam induction and that Kelly Groucutt, Mik Kaminski, Hugh McDowell, & Melvyn Gale were left out of ELO's. Abbruzzese was there for the Vs. & Vitalogy albums, which are two of PJ's most essential. Groucutt, Gale, McDowell, & Kaminski all have long histories with ELO and played on their most essential albums. I mean, how do you leave out the orchestra part of a band called "Electric Light ORCHESTRA," not to mention their BASSIST.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 11:50am


Dezmond,

Thank you for clearing up the facts about Early Journey. I forgot it was 3 albums of Progressive Rock. I knew that long ago. Thats a memory thing. I did Not realize Greg Rolie sang. Hey at least I knew they qere around before Steve Perry. Infinity is the eaeliest I know well. I once owned Infinity on Record. I think I owned Departure and Escape long ago on Record. Hey they were inducted. Im not a huge fan but they are a decent 80s entry. Most of their known stuff is 80s.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 12:37pm


Great class, overall. Thank God ELO finally made it!!! Rick.I'm partying & I know you are :-)

Only disappointment is leaving Kelly Groucett off. That's BS.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 12:46pm


The friggin' older voters, most of them boomers, are making this all too obvious in terms of who gets in...

1) Any no-brainer modern rock name. So Pearl Jam this year will be replaced by Beck and Radiohead next year.

2) Any no-brainer modern hip hop name. If 2 Pac could get in despite worries of him having to wait like N.W.A. due to his lyrical content, then every major hip hop name will get in no problem every year. Notorious, Outkast, etc.

3) The singer songwriter slot has always been the most obvious of the bunch and pretty much everybody that can even remotely be considered to fall into that category now gets inducted. It was Joan Baez this year, maybe it will be Gram Parsons next year...

4) And finally, and most boring of all, classic rock acts. Journey, Yes and ELO this year...maybe The Cars and Moody Blues next year.


They don't like R&B and they're too damn old to understand the influence of most acts that started their careers after 1980. So indie, underground, new wave, alternative acts that weren't as big as Pearl Jam are all going to have to wait indefinitely while the bloated corpse of a voting body finally moves on. It really is a sick joke that so many were able to predict this year's induction class with considerable ease.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 13:17pm


Favorite songs from each of the performers:

Pearl Jam - Sirens
Electric Light Orchestra - Evil Woman
Journey - Open Arms
Joan Baez - The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Tupac (with Dre) - California Love
Yes - Roundabout

Posted by dmg on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 13:51pm


Yawner of a class. The Rock Hall digging it's own grave deeper and deeper.

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 16:05pm


WOW, go me! I was spot-on with my Top 5 picks (2Pac, PJ, Baez, Journey, ELO). I figured there would be an act who has made an appearance at least a couple times in the past that would go in the 6th spot. I picked the J. Geils Band (so did Ben and the FRL guy), but instead it was Yes. And I'm very satisfied with that! Way to go guys. I can see where everyone had their doubts about Tupac being a first-ballot inductee, but let's face it....like him or not, he's an icon. As a teenager from the mid-to-late 90s, I knew what effect he had with my generation. I'm sure a lot of you in my age group know too.

I understand everyone's frustration about the Chic/Nile Rodgers debacle, and believe me I am as p****d as they are. Back-door inductions always suck no matter what, especially if there aren't any unpredictable choices in other categories for Sidemen, Ahmet Ertugun award, etc. On a good note, Nile's work behind-the-scenes will not be ignored. We all know he's done so much in the studio with a well-respected list of artists (David Bowie, Diana Ross, Madonna, Daft Punk, and many more).

Posted by Jason Voigt on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 16:22pm


Rock Hall 2018 predictions based on current trends: Radiohead, Judy Collins or Carly Simon, Ice-T, Supertramp, Doobie Brothers, Foghat

Musical Excellence Award: Peter Wolf

Posted by boar on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 17:04pm


"Musical Excellence Award: Peter Wolf"

What's wrong with the J. Geils Band?

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 17:10pm


Danny,

Because J. Geils can't get the votes, so they will backdoor Peter like they did Nile!

My post was semi in jest....but somehow the trends are going this way unfortunately.

Posted by boar on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 17:13pm


Congrats to the 2016-2017 Inductees!!! ELO, Joan Baez,Journey, Pearl Jam, 2PAC, and YES. I think this is an A- grade class. Pearl Jam easiest prediction. I'm surprised 2PAC made it 1st time around. The Winner Fan Ballot Journey continues the streak. Good to see Joan Baez & YES inducted as they will open some logjams in the folk and prog areas. It might make sense to go to a small ballot 12 next year and vacuum up multiple nominees now Janet Jackson, The Cars, Kraftwerk, J. Geils Band etc. Janet Jackson & The Cars will be back next year and should earn induction. Rick should be happy with the ELO induction no doubt Jeff Lynne and ELO made an impressive catalogue of songs. Nile Rodgers deserving Musical Excellence. Can't blame the Nom Com. They put Chic on ballot 11 times. That's on the voters. The 2017-2018 ballot will be interesting with Radiohead a sure fire inductee. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 17:20pm


I find it funny that Journey is the most controversial inductee in this class:

Greatest Hits: 15x platinum
Escape: 9x platinum
Frontiers: 6x platinum
Infinity: 3x platinum
Evolution: 3x platinum
Departure: 3x platinum
Raised on Radio: 2x platinum
Captured: 2x platinum
The Essential Journey: 2x platinum
Trial By Fire: platinum
Revelation: platinum

11 Top 40 albums
17 Top 40 singles

They have a bunch of songs that people know and love, it's a hall of FAME, I don't see a problem.



Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 18:04pm


"Yawner of a class. The Rock Hall digging it's own grave deeper and deeper."

They're digging a grave by inducting rap over old time rock and rollers. I mean Tupac over The Zombies, J. Geils Band, The Cars, Steppenwolf, MC% and Kraftwerk. I didn't know being a thug who promotes ghetto trash got you to the front of the line. Pretty soon the rappers involved in the East vs. West Coast rap battle will be inducted and The Moody Blues and Jethro Tull will still be snubbed. Jann Wenner and his fellow liberal friends are nothing but elitist snobs. The Hall Of Fame has turned into the cool kids club in high school where the most popular people, regardless of talent, are given entry.

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 20:33pm


The Rock hall is trying to catch up with its backlog, while trying to include newer acts as well. I'd love to see Joy Division, the Cure, Depeche Mode, Bad Brains, etc. get in, but voters may see acts like the Moody Blues, the Zombies, etc. as being more of a priority since they've been snubbed for longer. There's a place here for all of these artists.

I don't think the Hall hates R&B either. They've inducted so many different R&B groups in the past. I think, maybe, the R&B acts that have been getting nominated recently haven't been seen as crucial to induct as, say, ELO, etc. With Nile Rodgers going in, the Nom Com may leave Chic off the ballot for a while, and other R&B acts may have an easier time getting in, like Kool & the Gang & Commodores, whom are both acts that may be more inclined to vote for Chic if they should return to the ballot.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 21:13pm


I can't really complain too much about this class, though I would have preferred Kraftwerk over Yes or Journey. The Hall really needs to get Kraftwerk inducted, because it's becoming more and more evident every year that they are holding up the rest of the bands that fall under the "highly influential, but as much name recognition" category.

Pearl Jam and Joan Baez seemed like locks the entire time, and I figured it would be highly unlikely that the voting body would pass up ELO. Journey and Yes were minor surprises, but they have followed the recent trend of overdue classic rock bands getting inducted. I know that this trend irks some voters, but to be honest ELO, Yes and (to a lesser extent) Journey are all deserving and were overdue for induction. 2Pac was a pleasant surprise...I didn't he would be inducted immediately, but that is by no means a bad thing.

Out of the bands that didn't get inducted, my hope is that Kraftwerk, Janet Jackson and The Cars get greater consideration next time around.

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 21:21pm


Personal top 10 wish list for acts that have any chance at all of making the hall:

The Smiths
Iron Maiden
Jethro Tull
The Cars
Dire Straits
Lionel Ritchie
Smashing Pumpkins
Gordon Lightfoot
Jim Croce
Ozzy

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 21:41pm


"Diverse? How about talented? It's as if achievement has been replaced by ageism, race and gender. What should be considered is the record sales and the devotion of its fans."

Fan devotion? Seriously? You realize that the reasons for fan devotion can be as ridiculous as one can imagine. Whether they're the band their first crush liked, or the act that was playing when they lost their virginity, to plain old superstition. Not to mention a lot of devotion ramps up straight into fanatic obsession to levels that aren't healthy. By your criterion, Selena should be inducted then. Fan devotion? I'm glad that's not the case or boy bands would be a sure thing. Barry Manilow would be inducted by now. Fan devotion? I mean, record sales, I can understand... it's a part of Impact, imo, but mere fan devotion? Grow a brain.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 22:37pm


Well, it appears I was right in saying there would be 7 inductees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2017. In an amazing twist of fate, I apparently got 6 of the 7 predictions I made in October right. I was correct on Tupac Shakur, Pearl Jam, Yes, Electric Light Orchestra, Joan Baez and Chic; albeit Nile Rodgers will be going in under his own name for his entire life's work. I had hoped Janet Jackson would go in; yet it became clear that when Journey won the most votes in the fan ballot, Journey would henceforth be inducted.

On the surface, the class of 2017 is an improvement over 2016; starting with 7 inductees, 2 more than last year. As well, although having to use the back door approach, Chic are finally recognized for their long deserved rewards. While it would have been nice to see Chic get inducted properly, I can understand why it might not have happened. Nile Rodgers is the one creative part of Chic that is still alive; Bernard Edwards died in 1996 and Tony Thompson died in 2003. Since then, Chic has effectively been Nile Rodgers and whomever else. It is an odd situation, yet the upshot is Nile Rodgers is finally enshrined.

I will have hopefully more to say in the days ahead. But first, which inductees will show up for the ceremony next April?

Tupac Shakur died in 1996. Sadly, Afeni Shakur passed away herself in May this year. So I am not too sure who in the Shakur family will accept the award.

Pearl Jam will show up, both the current lineup and initial drummer Dave Krusen. No chance for Dave Abbrudzesse to show up.

Nile Rodgers will show up, and might give the best acceptance speech and performance of the night.

Joan Baez will be there, of course.

the 7 living honored members of Yes will reunite, I think. As well, someone from Chris Squire's family will accept Squire's award. I think there may be a good performance from Yes too, possibly augmented by Billy Sherwood, Geoffrey Downes, Trevor Horn and Jon Davidson.

Regarding Electric Light Orchestra, Jeff Lynne and Richard Tandy are certain to be in attendance. Roy Wood might possibly show up. I do not think Bev Bevan is going to either show up or be invited by ELO's representatives; Lynne revealed that he has not spoken to Bevan in some 30 years.

Now for the big question: with Journey getting inducted, will Steve Perry show up? I am sure the other 6 honored members will show up, including Aynsley Dunbar. Steve Perry is a unique conundrum that manages to both fascinate and frustrate us. How I see it now, Steve Perry will not show up. If you can get to it, there is on YouTube a VH1 Behind The Music episode from 2001 on Journey that included Steve Perry getting interviewed and his thoughts of his tenure at that time. I am pretty sure 15 years later, Steve Perry feels the same as he did then.

So, those are my thoughts at this specific time on the RRHOF Class of 2017. It would be awesome to see Steve Perry performing with the rest of Journey one more time. None the less, as always, it is up to Steve Perry to decide.

Happy Holidays/Christmas/Hannukah to all who observe,

Lax33

Posted by Lax33 on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 22:50pm


Ben,

Yes, I had predicted that Yes and Electric Light Orchestra would be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2017. As I have said before, those artists are two of my "essential 5." Now, as far as The Moody Blues, Duran Duran and Sade are concerned, all three are egregious snubs.

Some people claim that not enough R & B acts have been inducted, well what about PROG? Out of the 5 major progressive rock bands, 4 have finally been inducted: Pink Floyd, Genesis, Rush and Yes. Our genre is nearly 50 years old, yet we are still missing King Crimson, as well as our co-founders: The Moody Blues and Procol Harum.

To put that in perspective, that would be like the R & B inductees missing James Brown, Chuck Berry and Stevie Wonder.

However, every 3 or 4 years, maybe one "progressive rock" artist will be inducted. At this present rate, it will take over 4 centuries just to induct our major artists and yet, they're still complaining?

By the way, I am never going to apologize for lenjoying PROG. I am just terribly sorry to hear that the future of PROG magazine may be in jeopardy. I think that PROG magazine is far too important to allow it just to disappear.




Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 02:15am


Well, I will now have to look forward to 2018. Let's hope that the following artists will finally receive a nomination next year:

01. The Moody Blues
02. Duran Duran
03. Sade
04. XTC
05. King Crimson
06. Doobie Brothers
07. Foreigner
08. Carly Simon
09. Jim Croce
10. Gordon Lightfoot
11. Willie Nelson
12. Roxy Music
13. Kansas
14. Procol Harum
15. Jethro Tull

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 02:27am


Jason,

I did have basically the same spot on list as you. I however had Chic in the 6. The 6 performers does not include Chic but 2Pac. So you were totally spot on with 5. We both picked the J. Geils Band. We both figured on a Steve Van Zant fav I think but it was Yes instead. That is the reverse of a disappointment. I wanted Yes so much more. I didn't think Voters would vote 2 Prog acts in. A lot of veterans probably Voted for both. I would say veterans like Pete Townsend and Roger Waters voted for Yes. Roger Waters is friends with some Yes members I believe. Rush obviously voted for Yes. They have been vocal about it.

Now I had my doubts about Tupac being a first-ballot inductee. I do Not like or know him but I know he is an Icon. As a teenager of the late 70s and early 80s I don't know rap very well. There is certainly a few acts I know very well being inducted with ELO, Journey and Yes. Also I do know a bit of Pearl Jam. A lot of people in my Age group dont know Rap too well but sometimes they like and know a bit of 90s Rock like me. The Rock Hall class of 2017 is solid. They are good picks.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 10:55am


Right on, Ben! It really sucks to say how predictable this was going to be for most people. And this ballot had 19 nominees! I guess that's what popularity contests are all about, as in there will be some people who are happy. It'll be a great ceremony, hopefully drama-free, and predicting who will induct who will be interesting.

As far as 'the rest', meaning the 12 (or 13, counting Chic) that didn't get picked...its going to be a rough road the next few years with all of these 90s iconic acts eligible. In the end, I would say, it all depends on who they are stacked up with on the ballot. Take Janet Jackson. She couldn't compete with Baez this time around, but will she get picked the near future? This is also bad news for the 50s and 60s crowd, depending on how popular they are. I really do hope the people who didn't get inducted this year (who were nominated) will have their time in the sun pretty soon. For me, particularly, Kraftwerk (the most innovative, influential act not inducted, imo), The Cars, The Zombies, and many others. Well, maybe not Chaka Khan. I'm not sure why the NomCom keeps thinking of her. Nothing against Chaka, and I'm aware she's had a respected career and whatnot. But what about some of the other people in her genre and time period, such as Patti LaBelle and Dionne Warwick? Just saying....

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 12:38pm


For anyone who is interested, and who is a Spotify junkie, here is a playlist for you:

This is my Rock and Roll Hall of Fame playlist. Every inducted performer is on here, with 2 songs per one. The songs are either my two favorite songs by that artist, or the ones that I thought represented their career the most. This includes the newly to-be-inducted performers for 2017. Does not include the other categories.

NOTE: Please keep in mind that there are a few inductees who STILL don't have their catalogs on Spotify (Dave Clark Five, Bob Seger, etc.), so you won't find them.

Enjoy,

https://open.spotify.com/user/1215947521/playlist/5ksAQcOOpiVulnSlrpeVCL



Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 12:45pm


Hey Enigmaticus: Except for Sade, King Crimson, and Willie (+ maybe Roxy), your proposed nomination list is LAME (not that most will even sniff a ballot, thank the lord)! The reason so many have grown to hate the R&RHOF is that too many 'classic' rock types from the same era are getting in at the expense of R&B, metal, and esp. 80s indie acts! Yet another thing the Baby Boomers (too many of whom voted for Trump) who won't die have ruined...

Posted by BoomerBuster on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 15:37pm


Jason,

We do agree for the most part. Chaka Khan is a nominee they were trying out. It replaces the Hall's try at Rufus and Chaka Khan. Patti Labelle seems like a try and hey Dionne Warwick was a class act. I like her early hits like Walk on By. She has had a long career. I also say Tina Turner solo should be tried. How is that?

Your Spotify concept is similar to my I Tunes concept. Every year after the announcement I play tunes from each act Inducted. SO I played Some Joan Baez, ELO and Journey today. I will play a block of Pearl Jam tomorrow. I will sample a 2PAc tune to hear what that sounds like. I have played the minute and a half sample in the past of California Love just to keep up. I play whole tunes and whole blocks when I own. Then I play some old HOF inductee favs. I play the Who, the Four Tops, the Doors and Allman Brothers Band as examples.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 15:38pm


The artist failing to get in that best epitomizes the problem with having voters that are mostly writers and performers from around the 1960s is Depeche Mode. There is absolutely no argument you can make against a Depeche Mode induction and no reason that they should not be easily inducted. That band checks literally every box you can think of, and if they can't get in, there's something very wrong with the voting body.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 16:05pm


The eventual problem should have been foreseen a long time ago.

From the '80s on, almost all white rock stars have come from bands (almost everybody in the white rock universe outside singer/songwriters are in bands), while most black stars are individuals. The rock model for the most part still seems to be the band format, while the R&B/hip hop model seems to be highly individualized. It's not necessarily racism but simply a matter of numbers because of the nature of white Rock Hall-caliber acts having more members. The only solution would seem to be giving each inducted artist, not member, one vote. That would probably also be fairer, especially considering some acts had many more inducted members than others. Should the 7 living Grateful Dead members really drown out the 2 living Nirvana members to such a degree? Especially when the latter are much more likely to understand the post-punk era...

I just brought this up to the FRL Twitter account, and I think this is right. All the living members of each artist should combine to 1 vote per artist. It is probably the only way for white artists not to completely drown out black artists when Rock Hall-track white artists tend to have more members on average than black artists do. (Yes, there are obviously some major exceptions like Wu-Tang Clan, but post-2Pac, most rap stars were still individuals.)

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 18:55pm


My early predictions for the nominees for next year:

A Tribe Called Quest
Bad Company
Black Flag
Mary J Blige
The Cars
The Commodores
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
The Moody Blues
Graham Parsons
Peter, Paul, & Mary
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 19:28pm


Gram Parsons - sorry. didn't fix that typo before posting.

Posted by shrek on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 19:29pm


I'm all for Tina Turner (as well as Diana Ross) getting inducted as a solo artist! But a part of me thinks that if it didn't happen already, it never will. Eh, who knows.

My suggestions for Pearl Jam are their first 3 albums (Ten, Vs. and Vitalogy). Those were the ones I rocked out to in my younger days. Merkinball, which was a 2-song EP they did with Neil Young, was cool as well. No Code was great too, but by that time I was losing interest in the band. I really didn't like PJ for a while after they covered "Last Kiss", which is one of my least favorite songs of all time. To me, a lot of the stuff they put out in the last 15 years was so-so, with exceptions of "Just Breathe" (a good but kind of a depressing song) and "Brother".

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 19:54pm


This years winner's list was so predictible...
and the umpteenth ignoring of R&B acts has become standard procedure.
I predicted this years ago when I stated that, the advent of The R&B Music Hall of Fame would henceforth be used as an EXCUSE by The R&R HoF not to induct R&B acts going forward...and it's b turned out EXACTLY as I said:
I also said THIS when the 2017 Nominees were announced:
******************
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame deliberately picks R&B acts that they KNOW will have NO chance at all to get inducted...while flooding the ballot with superstar White Rock acts that they KNOW that the voters will put in.

Case in point : Joe Tex and CHIC . How many times have they been nominated in the past ? They didn't get in back then, so there's no reason to believe that that will change in 2017.
Chaka Khan: Supporters of RUFUS as a GROUP disapprove of her going in alone. She didn't get in either way, but her best recordings were with Rufus. Her solo songs, like "I'm Every Woman" and "Through The Fire" were hits, but they pale in quality compared to her recordings with Rufus,plus they are more Black Pop than R&R and R&B. Should she go in alone ? NO.
The JB's. Should have automatically been inducted in the "musical excellence" category. And, for goodness sakes, we can't have THAT.
So, the Non Com puts them on the Performers' ballot, where they'll almost certainly get shot down.
....and they WERE . (no duh!!)

****ON THE OTHER HAND****....
Support has been steadilly GROWING for THE SPINNERS and THE MARVELETTES to be inducted. Supporters of both groups now actually have their own Facebook Pages to gather support, both of which have been doing quite well...so the "Hallowed Hall" has taken them off the ballot.
Over the last few years, if Black act DOES actually get inducted...it will probably be a Rapper. This year's Token Rapper: 2Pac.He'll almost CERTAINLY get in,if ANY Black act does. Janet Jackson's accomplishments over the years, and her international success have outstripped and outdone that of ANY Rapper...yet a Rap group beats her into the Hall last year....just because they had a successful MOVIE ?? How trivial !!!
R&B artists that have tremendous crossover success, such as THE COMMODORES, BARRY WHITE,DIONNE WARWICK, and THE POINTER SISTERS, artists that actually have a CHANCE with the voters, are purposely LEFT OFF the ballot. Why? Because if they made it onto the ballot, those voters might just actually PUT THEM IN!!!
This is the reason why you never have, and never will , see me make predictions on this site....because I know how the results will eventually play out. The winners ? Rock acts. (Not Rock and Roll, which is all-inclusive) but RAWK ,which , by it's very nature, is EXCLUSIVE, and favors only one group over all others.
The winners ? White Rock acts and Black Rap acts. The losers ? Classic R&B Acts and Women.
You may say I'm wrong.
But look at the Inductees' lists .

Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 20:24pm


They figured that , if they actually ARE going to induct a woman , They would want THEIR CHOICE to get in. So Joan Baez magically appears on the ballot, from seemingly out of nowhere...and walks right past Chaka and Janet into the Hall. So, I guess it's OK to induct a woman...as long as she's of the right ethnic group.

I'm very happy for Joan...because she deserves it.

I'm NOT happy about the process that was used to put her in there.

Especially when The Pointer Sisters, Mary Wells, Dionne Warwick, Patti LaBelle & The BlueBelles/LaBelle Ella Fitzgerald (as an early influence) and others are still,as The Imperials'big hit states,are "on the outside looking in."

Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 20:37pm


...And The Marvelous Marvelettes ,

Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 20:39pm


Jason,

I own those ones from Pearl Jam. I own Ten and Vs on cd since the 90s and from I tunes I own a few from Vitalogy. I also own Its Not for You. I feel their Downfall was Last Kiss. I didnt follow them after that. I also own a few tunes from Stone Temple Pilots and Soundgarden. Generally Im much more of a 60s 70s and 80s guy.

Some of my Fav artists are the Who,Eric Clapton, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Moody Blues, Steely Dan, Yes, The Cars and Joe Jackson. There is of course hundreds of others.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 20:39pm


Speaking of The IMPERIALS, Little Anthony and Co. were the very Last R&B-identified group actually inducted by the Voting Body.

And that was SEVEN YEARS AGO.

(The Miracles, The Famous Flames, and The Midnighters' inductions were "Special Committee" inductions...that the Voting Body didn't have a CHANCE to shoot down).

So, the Hallowed Hall doesn't feel that ANY R&B groups since then are Hall of Fame material ?
ANY of them ?

The Whispers?, The Commodores?,The Chi_Lites?, the Delfonics?,The Spinners?, the Marvelettes? Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes?, Jr Walker & The All-Stars ? Rick James & The Stone City Band ? The Stylistics ? The Dramatics ? The Tavares Brothers ? Ashford & Simpson ?

But, almost EVERY Rapper deserves to get in ? REALLY ??

... "ANY OF THEM ?"

(Think about it).

Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 20:56pm


Hey Bill G. I was hoping you'd have something to say about what I wrote on RHM about Joe Tex. Here's an excerpt I thought you'd appreciate about why he might not get in:

"Did I say "The Hall does love soul"? Correction: the Hall DID love soul. Aside from an ex-sex induction of Bill Withers in 2015, the Hall pretty much broke up with soul... via changing its Facebook relationship status to "Single" without soul knowing it, after sneaking Bobby Womack in in 2009 (or arguably Jimmy Cliff in 2010, or Darlene Love in 2011)."

I wasn't including the groups that were correction-inductions, for the reasons that you pointed out.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.21.16 @ 21:58pm


Bill-

I agree with you on many things (I want several of those R&B groups in), but saying "EVERY RAPPER" gets in easily is incorrect. They've inducted six hip-hop acts thus far. A few of those took more than one nomination. They've nominated three other hip-hop acts who have failed to make it in.

That's not every rapper.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 02:02am


No, Philip, I didn't read it.
I'll go on over and check it out.

In the meantime , check out my blogs on the following artists over on Charles' "Top of The Charts" Forum:

(keep in mind that these are works in progress,and as I have more time I try to add more info:

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/1691/FAMOUS-FLAMES-James-Browns-Original-Singing-Group-1953-1968

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/2215/Heywhat-about-The-COMMODORES?page=1

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/reply/35162/The-Fabulous-POINTER-SISTERS#reply-35162

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/1736/The-Spinners?page=1

(Charles started this one,I took it over later)

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/2034/RUBY-amp-THE-ROMANTICS-Hugely-
InfluentialYet-Unsung?page=1

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/2239/Induct-DIONNE

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/2128/RampB-ORIGINALS-VS-POPROCK-COVERS

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/1515/The-Miracles

(Roy started this one , but I took it over because The Miracles are my all-time favorite group)

http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/1676/Gene-Chandler-The-Duke-Of-Earl

Posted by Bill G on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 02:44am


Tired, dead idea... "talented" and "fan devotion" as rockist buzzwords. Everybody on this year's ballot is talented and has devoted fans.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 02:49am


Bill-

"I agree with you on many things (I want several of those R&B groups in), but saying "EVERY RAPPER" gets in easily is incorrect. They've inducted six hip-hop acts thus far. A few of those took more than one nomination. They've nominated three other hip-hop acts who have failed to make it in'.

I don't recall saying EVERY Rapper.

I said "ALMOST every Rapper".

Please read my comment again...

Posted by Bill G on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 03:10am


Enig,

I knew you would be on here soon enough. 2 of your Favs have been inducted. Both ELO and Yes have been inducted. I sometimes forget that it is the Voting body that decides. I mean the fact is Pink Floyd and Rush have been in the Hall. Those are several votes right there. You have to figure there is plenty of Veterans that voted for both. I didn't think of that.

The only reason I didn't predict Yes is because I was so wrong and disappointed last year when they lost. Hey last year I wanted Deep Purple but didn't expect them Inducted. There is plenty of work to be done. The Moody Blues, Jethro Tull and Sade are definite snubs. Jethro Tull are one of my Fav artists ever. Now that Yes are inducted I will emphasize Tull more. Yes had a better chance being inducted first.

It is true that not enough R&B acts have been inducted. Well the same is true for PROG. As you say 4 of the 5 major Progressive Rock bands have now been inducted. Pink Floyd,Genesis,Rush and Yes. The 5th should be the Moody Blues at long long last.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 06:08am


I am impressed with the Class of 2017. The Hall of Fame got it right minus not putting in Janet Jackson, but I know Joan Baez has waited longer than Janet.

With that being said, I'm Looking ahead to the 2018 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and who I can see making the class

1. Radiohead- they become eligible and will be a shoo-in

2. Rage Against The Machine- They will also be first year Eligible, Tom Morello is on the Nominee committee and Rage will receive several votes

3. Nine Inch Nails: After missing the 2017 ballot, they will return and make the cut and the induction in 2018 is in Cleveland which is Trent Reznor's hometown.

4. Janet Jackson: 3rd time's a charm

5. The Cars: 3rd time's a charm.

If they pick 6, here are my top 5 guesses ranked with highest chance

1. LL Cool J: Tupac's induction will open the door for LL Cool J unless the Hall decided to put in Dr. Dre first

2. J Geils Band: A favorite for some of the older nominee committee people

3. Kraftwerk: Another favorite for the older nominee committee people

4. Sting: He was nominated in 2015, and surprisingly didn't make the cut, if nominated, he has a great chance to join the 2nd timer's club.

5. Jane's Addiction: They are well-Deserved for their music and for creating Lollapalooza

The 2017 class has opened the door for many artist now to make the nominated in the future like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Doobie Brothers, Dire Straits, LL Cool J, A Tribe Called Quest, Moody Blues, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Sonic Youth, Pixies, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, and many more.

Posted by Kyle on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 08:15am


My ideal 2018 nominees/inductees:

The Moody Blues
Jethro Tull
Jim Croce
The Doobie Brothers
King Crimson
The Raspberries
Procol Harum
Emerson Lake And Palmer
The Zombies
Todd Rundgren
Supertramp
Billy Preston
J. Geils Band
Joe Cocker
Foreigner
Carly Simon
Harry Nilsson

Posted by danny on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 15:10pm


Yours and very few others... #moveonfromlamea**babyboomerrock

Posted by End of Boomers on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 16:58pm


Rock Rankings from this site for the inductees:

Pearl Jam #45
ELO #119
2Pac #144
Yes #147
Journey #240
Baez n/a

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 18:40pm


"Yours and very few others... #moveonfromlamea**babyboomerrock"

- End Of Boomers

You, Jann Wenner and the rest of the committee would get on well because you all like to deficate on the legacies of these baby boomer groups. It's as if you're rewriting history to show that the groups and artists I mentioned never existed or never made an impact on the audience. Go enjoy your third rate grunge and ghetto rap records that you find more deserving for an induction. I deficate on them.

Posted by danny on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 20:56pm


Another thing I'd like to add is I can automatically add two more acts to my "RRHOF Inductees I've Seen Live" list. (For those that don't know, I'm trying to see as many HOFers I can , I've been doing this for 6 years now...)

I've seen Pearl Jam twice, most recently at Bonnaroo in June of this year. I saw Journey a few years back. This was of course with Pineda, who did a great job. But as far as the band as a whole, it was so-so. Doubt if there will ever be a time I see them with Perry, so whatever. That lineup was better than nothing. They were touring with Foreigner, which was pretty much Mick Jones with a bunch of young dudes on stage. Speaking of which, I wonder if this means Foreigner is soon going to be considered?

I really hope there is a time I get to see the others (well, the ones still alive, that is). I missed my chance to see Yes last month when they were in my home city. Tickets were not cheap since it was at a special venue. But I know they'll come back around. Baez has made appearances at my alma mater (SIUE), since the Mississippi River Festival was once held there.

Has anyone seen any of the new inductees perform live?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 21:24pm


"Has anyone seen any of the new inductees perform live?"

I saw ELO in September at Radio City Music Hall. Jeff Lynne looks and sounds the same after 40+ years. They put on one hell of a show. I was so happy to hear that they got inducted.

Posted by danny on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 21:38pm


I know it's a year away, but here is my early draft of the 2018 nominees

The Cars
The Cure
Gram Parsons
The Guess Who
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
The Moody Blues
Nine Inch Nails
Pat Benatar
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
The Zombies

Posted by Christian on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 22:24pm


Jason,

I too try to see as many HOFers as I can. To date, I have seen 27 inductees in concert. I've also been to the induction ceremonies in 2012 and 2015. Not too shabby for a 32-year-old, right?

Posted by Greg P. on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 22:36pm


My early predictions for next years nominees:
The Cars
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
Depeche Mode
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
A Tribe Called Quest
Emerson Lake & Palmer
Judas Priest
Soundgarden
The Moody Blues
Gram Parsons
Bon Jovi
The Meters
The Spinners
Link Wray

Posted by Evan on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 22:51pm


I really think there should be 2 hall of fames: one for FAMOUS acts and one for critics. At the famous hall, Bon Jovi would get right in, and at the critic hall y'all can ohhh and ahhh over Bad Brains.
Next year in the famous hall: Bon Jovi, Duran Duran, Judas Priest, Smashing Pumpkins, Moody Blues, and Pat Benatar

Meanwhile at the critic hall: Bad Brains, PJ Harvey, Kraftwerk, Link Wray, The Meters, Los Lobos

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 12.22.16 @ 22:58pm


@Bill G. - I couldn't POSSIBLY agree with you MORE, sir! Been IMMERSING myself in Stylistics all this WEEK and, rather than try to make a difficult - though VERY justifiable - case for them being inducted, Blue Magic, the Spinners and Delfonics, let's just induct Thom and Linda - if they AREN'T in already as heritage artists.....in addition to those legendary ensembles, the duo contributed GREAT numbers to Ace Spectrum, New York City and, if I'm not terribly mistaken, Black Ivory (who arguably RIVALED Airrion and Russell in their earliest days.....if you can ever find their Today label compilation CD - first 2 albums - GET IT! Also, the later "Daily News' is one of THE greatest songs EVER written, in ANY genre - NO exaggeration.....)

Posted by ogam5 on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 01:20am


.....NO, Gassman, hip hop and rap are DAMNED well NOT 'rock and roll' - hell, the latter's not even 'music' by any REASONABLE definition; rather, 'performance art', and I won't EVER 'deal' with the truly PATHETIC attempts to characterize it as such....let them have their OWN Hall Of Fame, and stop RAIDING other genres' creative stores after almost 4 frequently AGONIZING decades of TOO much atonal, repetitive NOISE.....

Posted by ogam5 on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 01:26am


@BoomerBuster: NO, Enig's list is anything BUT 'lame'; Kansas, Procol, Roxy, APP and Tull - Sparks, TOO - are every BIT as much influential on SCORES of later bands as Yes and, ESPECIALLY, the critic's apparent DARLINGS, Kraftwerk, while some other acts who are RICHLY deserving of consideration when awareness of their ENTIRE catalog increases, include BOTH Big Country (Stuart Adamson was one of THE most gifted musicians that ever LIVED; ditto Brezcecki, Butler and Watson) and Simple Minds, Marillion.....all, INCREDIBLY innovative more often than NOT.....

Posted by ogam5 on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 01:35am


Putting every other word in ALL CAPS means you're SERIOUS.

Posted by DC on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 01:43am


So much white baby boomer anger in here you'd think it's a Trump or Klan rally.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 02:04am


Hall of Famers I've seen live (I've been to the last 3 Hall Induction Ceremony's and I am counting those):

B.B. King – 1987
Bob Dylan – 1988
Neil Young – 1995
Crosby, Stills, & Nash – 1997
Paul McCartney – 1999
Bruce Springsteen – 1999
Aerosmith – 2001
U2 – 2005
Black Sabbath – 2006
Van Halen – 2007
John Mellencamp – 2008
Metallica – 2009
Alice Cooper – 2011
Guns N’ Roses – 2012
Rush – 2013
Public Enemy – 2013
Heart – 2013
Peter Gabriel – 2014
Nirvana (Hervana) – 2014
KISS – 2014
Hall & Oates – 2014
Cat Stevens – 2014
Ringo Star – 2015
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band – 2015
Lou Reed – 2015
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts – 2015
Green Day – 2015
Steve Miller – 2016
Deep Purple – 2016
Chicago – 2016
Cheap Trick – 2016
Pearl Jam – 2017
Journey – 2017

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 02:16am


@ Danny: agree with MOST of your list but, while they ARE favorites of mine too, would definitely go with Badfinger (and the MONKEES! Absolutely RIDICULOUS they're NOT in yet) before the Raspberries.....

Posted by ogam5 on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 03:23am


.....gee, DC - couldn't it ALSO be indicative of trying to provide distinctive emphasis? ANOTHER moron, opens their clumsy virtual mouth..... GASman (for that's what YOU reveal yourself as emitting) did you NOT see my posting about the Stylistics and other soul groups? RHETORICAL question I guess, though - don't you DARE play your COMPARABLY tone-deaf IMPLICATE racist dog-whistle game with ME, jackass.....

Posted by ogam5 on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 06:11am


All caps = short man syndrome?

I'm curious to see if they'll nominate Depeche Mode again or go back to The Cure, The Smiths, Joy Division.

Posted by Christian on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 06:28am


I like this idea of which Inductees I have seen live.I just want to say As much as I follow the Rock Hall stuff I have never made a conscious effort to see Inductees. I have saved every ticket stub since my concert going began so this task will be easy. It is an interesting concept of which inductees I have seen Live.
Inductees I've seen Live

B.B. King-1987
Bob Dylan-1988
The Rolling Stones-1989
The Who-1990
The Grateful Dead-1994
Elton John-1994
Allman Brothers Band-1995
Jefferson Airplane-1996
Pink Floyd-1996
Crosby, Stills and Nash-1997
Bruce Springsteen-1999
Paul Simon-2001
AC/DC-2003
Jackson Browne-2004
Bob Seger-2004
Buddy Guy-2005
The Pretenders-2005
John Mellencamp-2008
Heart-2013
Rush-2013
Joan Jett-2015
Stevie Ray Vaughan-2015
Steve Miller Band-2016
Yes-2017

I used to see a lot of concerts. I have seen a whole bunch that are Not in the Hall like the Moody Blues and Jethro Tull. I also saw Twisted Sister and Squeeze back in the 80s. These acts should be in the Hall. My last concert was Styx,Foreigner and Kansas in 2010. I have many others of people not in the Hall. Anyway the list above is the Inductees I have seen Live.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 06:29am


Rock and Roll Hall of Famer's I've Seen Live

First year listed is the year they were inducted; second year listed is the year I saw them.

The Rolling Stones- 1989; 2015 (Zip Code Tour)
Stevie Wonder- 1989; 2015 (Songs in the Key of Life full performance)
The Who- 1990; 2002 (a month or so after John Entwistle passed away)
John Fogerty (CCR) (close enough)- 1993; 2005 & 2015 (1969 Tour)
Elton John- 1994; 2009 (Face to Face Tour w/Billy Joel)
Roger Waters (of Pink Floyd; The Wall: Live)- 1996; 2012
Crosby, Stills, Nash (& Young)- 1997; 2002 (Tour of America Tour)
Eagles- 1998; 2009 (Long Road Out of Eden Tour)
Billy Joel- 1999; 2009 (Face to Face Tour w/Elton John)
Paul McCartney- 1999; 2002 (Back in the U.S. Tour) & 2013 (Out There! Tour)
Eric Clapton- 2000; 2001 (Reptile Tour)
Aerosmith- 2001; 2001 (Just Push Play Tour)
Steely Dan- 2001; 2013
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers- 2002; 2002, 2005, & 2006
AC/DC- 2003; 2000 (Stiff Upper Lip Tour)
Prince- 2004; 2004 (Musicology Tour)
Bob Seger- 2004; 2006 (Face the Promise Tour)
Black Sabbath- 2006; 2001 (Ozzfest 2001)
Lynyrd Skynyrd- 2006; 2001 (Edge of Forever Tour)
Van Halen- 2007; 2004 (Best of Both Worlds Tour) & 2007 (Van Halen North American Tour: first tour with David Lee Roth in 23 years)
John Mellencamp- 2008; 2005
Rush- 2013; 2002 (Vapor Trails Tour)
KISS- 2014; 2010 (The Hottest Show on Earth Tour)
Deep Purple- 2016; 2001
Journey- 2017; 2001

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 07:16am


Jason, think I've mentioned this before to you, but I saw ELO perform in 1978 on their Out of the Blue tour. Hall & Oates opened for them.

Only act besides Pearl Jam (twice) that I've ever seen live.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 07:44am


Hip/Hop (rap) is every bit as much rock as prog is.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 07:47am


Very impressed with the amount of the HOFers some of my fellow commenters ave seen!

I've seen a shitton of acts, but not that many HOFers.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 07:53am


.....click your HEELS enough and, maybe you'll make it so, Paul.....rap, is absolutely NOT as much rock as prog is, not even CLOSE; falls PATHETICALLY short in terms of arrangements, structuring, attempts to convey COMPLEX concepts - with PERHAPS the occasional exception of Insane Clown Posse's repertoire (and just as an aside, I'm QUITE familiar with the genre's origins - should've REMAINED a mere IDIOM, though.....what's NEXT? Shall we render REGGAETON a formal genre of its own?) Christian, you're QUITE the callow bit of effluvia, AREN'T you.....

Posted by ogam5 on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 08:17am


I guess I should have listed the Inductees I've seen when I made my initial post. These are acts I've seen outside of Induction Ceremonies:

Smokey Robinson
The Beach Boys
The Drifters
The Who
The Allman Brothers Band
Crosby, Stills & Nash (&Young)
Eagles
Fleetwood Mac
Paul McCartney
Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band
Eric Clapton
James Taylor
Aerosmith
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
Jackson Browne
Prince
Bob Seger
ZZ Top
U2
R.E.M.
Neil Diamond
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Heart
Public Enemy
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Green Day
Cheap Trick

As I mentioned before, I was also at the Induction Ceremonies in 2012 and 2015.

Posted by Greg P. on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 08:52am


Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees I've seen in concert in chronological order:

Crosby Stills And Nash - 2001
Paul McCartney - 2002
The Who (w/Robert Plant - 2002
Neil Young - 2003 (worst concert I ever attended)
Hall And Oates - 2003
Rascals - 2004, 2005 and 2013
Steve Winwood - 2005 and 2010
Eric Burdon and The Animals (w/Dave Mason) - 2005
Cream - 2005
Ringo Starr - 2006
Eric Clapton - 2006
Steve Miller Band - 2007 and 2015
Ray Davies - 2008
The Yardbirds - 2009
Steve Hackett - 2010
Santana (w/Steve Winwood) (see Winwood listing above)- 2010
Elton John (guests included inductees Leon Russell, Gregg Allman and Rose Stone (Sly And The Family Stone)) - 2011
Roger Waters - 2012
Bob Weir and Phil Lesh (Furthur) - 2012
Donovan - 2012 and 2014 (got his autograph)
James Taylor - 2014
Electric Light Orchestra - 2016

Posted by danny on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 10:07am


Forgot to include Dave Davies for 2013

Posted by danny on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 10:15am


Welp, since I brought it up and its continued as a topic on this page, I'll go ahead and share all the RRHOF Inductees I've seen:

Chuck Berry *
Aretha Franklin
B.B. King
The Beach Boys
Stevie Wonder
The Who
Grateful Dead (as the Dead & Co.)
Elton John *
Crosby, Stills & Nash
George Clinton
The Young Rascals
Fleetwood Mac
Billy Joel
Paul McCartney *
Bruce Springsteen
Earth, Wind & Fire
John Sebastian (Lovin' Spoonful)
Bonnie Raitt
James Taylor (my first-ever concert)
Aerosmith
Steely Dan
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Talking Heads (not as a band together, but have seen David Byrne twice and Frantz and Weymouth as the Tom Tom Club)
Joe Walsh
Elvis Costello *
Bob Seger
ZZ Top *
Buddy Guy
U2
Black Sabbath *
Blondie
Van Halen (saw all inducted members on different occasions, not together)
Madonna
John Mellencamp
Jeff Beck
Bobby Womack (saw his final performance 2 wks before his death)
Alice Cooper
Wanda Jackson
Heart
Rush
Kiss
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts *
Green Day
Chicago
Journey
Pearl Jam

Surprise shots: Darryl of Run-DMC (when he came on-stage with Jackyl); Dennis Edwards of the Temptations (did a couple songs with Aretha); John Paul Jones (did some songs with Seasick Steve);

*-seen more than once

I was very close to seeing Cheap Trick a few years back, but the show was cancelled (due to t-storms) at the last minute. And I have tickets to see the Chili Peppers next month, and hopefully I will for Neil Diamond in April.

It's always been a dream of mine to attend a ceremony, wherever it may be (particularly Cleveland). I'm glad a lot of people have some good lists and take the time to see, respect and appreciate these great artists/bands. I envy those who have seen the long-gone legends like Kurt Cobain, Elvis, Lennon, Marley, etc.! Many of the inductees I won't get around to seeing for obvious reasons: 1) death, 2) some no longer perform (Linda Ronstadt, Bill Withers, etc.)

Posted by Jason Voigt on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 12:28pm


Too bad you couldn't have seen The MIRACLES when they were all still together. Their concerts were FAR MORE EXCITING than just Smokey alone .

Posted by Bill G on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 12:41pm


Why are we still talking about ROCK ? Who is , who isn't , and who should be ?

RAWK is not the criteria.

ROCK and ROLL is .

ROCK and ROLL is an all- inclusive term that includes ALL DERIVATIVE FORMS of the genre...including R&B (which is one of it's Founding Fathers),Soft Rock, Hard Rock, Swamp Rock, Metal, Folk Rock ,Oldies, Hip-Hop,Soul, Country Rock, etc.

RAWK is just Guitar Driven long-haired White Guys playing loudly.

People who feel that THEIR FAVORITE GENRE is the ONLY ONE who's artists should be considered are just being childish.

People who feel that just artists that have the SAME COLOR SKIN as them, are just being BIGOTS.


This is the ROCK and ROLL Hall of Fame.

Not the ROCK Hall of Fame.

There's a DIFFERENCE.

(But,sadly, with the recent changes in the RRHOF Presidency. and the removal of several of the Non Com, the ones most likely to see to it that the Veteran acts get in...
It has slowly BECOME that .)

Several of you are happy with this.

I am NOT.

To only consider and induct post 1970 artists, is NOT FAIR.

To only consider and induct post 1980 artists, is NOT FAIR.

To only consider and induct MALE artists is NOT FAIR.

To only consider and induct WHITE artists is NOT FAIR.

To ignore PROG artists is NOT FAIR.

To only consider and induct RAP/HIP HOP artists and throw away the R&B and Soul Artists who's music is the BASIS of their genre... is NOT FAIR.

The ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame has become the RAWK and RAP Hall of Fame.

And It , (and America in general) is going back to the bigoted,non-inclusive society of 60 YEARS AGO.

I wouldn't exactly call that "MOVING FORWARD".

More like "JUMPING BACKWARD"


And all of the efforts made to DIVERSIFY, to INCLUDE, and to honor ALL BRANCHES of R&R have literally been THROWN OUT THE WINDOW.

*** THIS is PROGRESS ?? ***

Posted by Bill G on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 13:21pm


"@ Bill G. - I couldn't POSSIBLY agree with you MORE, sir! Been IMMERSING myself in Stylistics all this WEEK and, rather than try to make a difficult - though VERY justifiable - case for them being inducted, Blue Magic, the Spinners and Delfonics, let's just induct Thom and Linda - if they AREN'T in already as heritage artists.....in addition to those legendary ensembles, the duo contributed GREAT numbers to Ace Spectrum, New York City and, if I'm not terribly mistaken, Black Ivory (who arguably RIVALED Airrion and Russell in their earliest days.....if you can ever find their Today label compilation CD - first 2 albums - GET IT! Also, the later "Daily News' is one of THE greatest songs EVER written, in ANY genre - NO exaggeration.....)"

Yes, Thom and Linda should definitely go in.

But the GROUPS should go in too.

And as for outstanding lead tenors, Check out TED MILLS - the lead singer of BLUE MAGIC.

His incredible performance on the long version their R&B hit "CHASING RAINBOWS" is just SUPERB !!

Other great R&B First Tenors:

Smokey Robinson of The Miracles (The granddaddy and godfather of them ALL)

Eddie Kendrick OF THE TEMPTATIONS .

Ron Banks of THE DRAMATICS

"Little" Anthony Gourdine of THE IMPERIALS

Johnny Carter of The Mighty DELLS and The FLAMINGOS

(A DOUBLE R&R HoF Inductee)

Lloyd Parks of The BLUE NOTES

and...

Curtis Mayfield of THE IMPRESSIONS

((Another DOUBLE R&R HoF Inductee)


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Posted by Bill G on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 13:40pm


And, let's not forget...

" THE PHILADELPHIA "THREE TENORS"...

RUSSELL THOMPKINS of THE STYLISTICS

WILLIAM HART of THE DELFONICS

And the aforementioned

TED MILLS OF BLUE MAGIC

Posted by Bill G on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 13:50pm


"Hip/Hop (rap) is every bit as much rock as prog is."
-Paul From KY

That is by far the dumbest comment I've ever read on this page. Someone is sucking at the teat of Black Lives Matter and political correctness. Rap gets first crack because there must be a black quota that is to be met and R&B/Soul acts get neglected. That's the real reason why the "rap is rock" argument started. And when only white 1970s baby boomer rock gets recognized, people throw a hissy fit because of that lack of diversity just like the whole ridiculous "Oscars So White" controversy. Chic should have been that one black act to get in instead of that bad influence Tupac Shakur.

Posted by danny on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 18:55pm


".....click your HEELS enough and, maybe you'll make it so, Paul.....rap, is absolutely NOT as much rock as prog is, not even CLOSE; falls PATHETICALLY short in terms of arrangements, structuring, attempts to convey COMPLEX concepts - with PERHAPS the occasional exception of Insane Clown Posse's repertoire (and just as an aside, I'm QUITE familiar with the genre's origins - should've REMAINED a mere IDIOM, though.....what's NEXT? Shall we render REGGAETON a formal genre of its own?) Christian, you're QUITE the callow bit of effluvia, AREN'T you....."

WTF? If you think conveying complex concepts is what rock and roll is all about, then you do not know the genre's origins, you do not know what you are talking about, you do not pass GO, you do not collect $200. Complex concepts? You mean like in the Beatles "I Want To Hold Your Hand," or the Rolling Stones' "Let's Spend The Night Together," or Led Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love"? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Rap is as every bit of rock and roll that prog is, and maybe more so, because it's closer to the rhythmic structures of blues-based rock and roll. What makes prog such a great style is that it's the first to combine classical influences and create something new that could evolve, unlike taking classical melodies and putting new words to them, or creating a one-off classical sounding piece of music. What makes rap so interesting is that it carries on an almost hambone-like tradition of the verbal rhythms being the driving force, and it's almost kind of like turning doo-wop inside out. That's what makes it closer to the original roots of rock and roll. It's not political correctness, it's factual correction.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 19:19pm


The acts that should get inducted because of their legacy and not because of their race.

Chic
The Stylistics
The Manhattans
Billy Preston
Fela Kuti
Richie Havens
Patti Labelle
Tina Turner (solo)
Plas Johnson (sideman)
Junior Parker
Billy Stewart
John Coltrane
Dizzy Gillespie
Herbie Hancock
Nina Simone
Ben E. King
The Marvelettes
Chubby Checker
Fontella Bass
Barbara Lynn
Lightnin Hopkins
Gene Chandler
Johnny Mathis

Posted by danny on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 19:39pm


Patti La Belle should go in with the Bluebelles ...not solo . They should also receive credit as the group Labelle, since that group consisted of the same members: Sarah Dash and Nona Hendrix . All three have had successful Salot careers of varying success. All three should be inducted. Also, the fourth original member of the BlueBelles, Cindy Birdsong, who was snubbed from induction with the Supremes, should also be inducted.
Chaka Khan should go in with Rufus, not solo .
Lynel Richie should go in with the Commodores, not solo. Let's stop separating lead singers from groups, so as to create controversies that take years to settle, and sometimes, as in the case of the Belmonts, never get settled at all .
Also, the Hall of Fame should give wrap a rest for a few years. It's not fair for R&B artists to have to wait 30, 40, and 50 years or more to get in, while rap and hip-hop artists get in on the first try.

Posted by Bill G on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 19:55pm


Sorry about all the typos. Remind me to type my messages by myself and on my own, instead of using this stupid voice command. Ha ha.

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 19:58pm


No one is saying that any artist should get in because of their race. They should get in because they deserve it. Because their influence and their legacy makes them Hall of Fame worthy . I forgot to include the Manhattans on my list. Definitely deserving. Also the Belmonts, Mary Wells, Chuck Jackson, the aforementioned Duke of Earl himself, Gene Chandler, the Dominoes, Johnnie Taylor, Brook Benton ,The Pointer Sisters, and numerous others who have had to wait because of this rap thing. Let the rappers wait a few more years. The R&B artists have waited long enough.

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 20:17pm


"No one is saying that any artist should get in because of their race. They should get in because they deserve it."
-Bill G.

Race should NEVER be a prerequisite for receiving an award or getting ahead in society. Using physical characteristics as opposed to talent and character is such a feeble excuse. Dr. King said it better.

Posted by danny on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 20:24pm


Hey Bill,

Agree with you on Commodores going in before Lionel, although I think he's probably worthy of the double induction.

What are your thoughts on acts such as the Del-Vikings, Jerry Butler's solo work, the Fifth Dimension, and Kool & the Gang?

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 20:30pm


Congrats to Rick on ELO finally making it in! Totally deserved and way overdue.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 09:56am


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Thanks Kyle!

8-)

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 21:31pm


Thank God ELO finally made it!!! Rick.I'm partying & I know you are :-)

Only disappointment is leaving Kelly Groucett off. That's BS.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 12:46pm


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Thanks Paul in KY, indeed, I'm on Cloud Nine!

8-)

But Kelly Groucutt isn't the only disappointment, there's also Mik Kaminski, Hugh McDowell, Mel Gale, Louis Clark, Mike de Albuquerque, Wilf Gibson and Mike Edwards.

>:(

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 21:47pm


Rick should be happy with the ELO induction no doubt Jeff Lynne and ELO made an impressive catalogue of songs.

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 17:20pm


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I am, thanks KING!

8-)

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 21:48pm


It really is mind numbingly stupid that Dave Abbruzzese was left out of the Pearl Jam induction and that Kelly Groucutt, Mik Kaminski, Hugh McDowell, & Melvyn Gale were left out of ELO's. Abbruzzese was there for the Vs. & Vitalogy albums, which are two of PJ's most essential. Groucutt, Gale, McDowell, & Kaminski all have long histories with ELO and played on their most essential albums. I mean, how do you leave out the orchestra part of a band called "Electric Light ORCHESTRA," not to mention their BASSIST.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 12.20.16 @ 11:50am


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Steve,

While I obviously agree, The Orchestra part needs its conductor Louis Clark, then the Rock Hall should also consider Mike de Albuquerque, Wilf Gibson and Mike Edwards!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 21:54pm


ogam5, don't give a shit what you say.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 21:59pm


Jason (and others),

HOFers I've seen (besides Pearl Jame & ELO & Hall & Oates):

The Temptations
BB King
Crosby, Stills & Nash
Buffalo Springfield
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Beach Boys
The Rascals (Felix Cavillere version)
Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers
Stevie Wonder
Paul McCartney
ZZ Top
Elton John
Martha & the Vandellas
Earth, Wind & Fire
Billy Joel
Jimmy Cliff
Cheap Trick

As you can see, not as many as several here.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 22:07pm


danny, don't give a shit what you think, either.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 22:09pm


Paul,

Its cool you got to see ELO (and Hall & Oates) back in the 70s, especially during their prime! To those who have seen them recently, was it a great show?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 22:10pm


Bill G., I hear you & agree 100%! Best wishes to you & your family!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 22:10pm


Phillip. I do give a shit about what you think, but you're wrong here.

Just because you don't think hip hop is as complex as prog doesn't make it any less rock n roll than prog. IMO.

Musical complexity or dexterity has nothing to do (IMO) with rock n roll music.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 22:14pm


Paul, you need to re-read what I wrote... I was agreeing with you. I started by quoting ogam, then refuted him. Hip-hop can be complex, though many times it isn't. But it is still very much rock'n'roll.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 22:19pm


danny, don't give a shit what you think, either
- Paul From KY

If this is how you argue your point that you don't care what you think of the opposing argument, then get lost. Go listen to the Hoe song by Nicki Minaj 1000 times in a row, because that's how low your musical tastes seem to go.

Posted by danny on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 22:27pm


danny,

Yes, in an ideal world, race would not matter. And to some degree it doesn't. But when it comes to the Rock Hall, it's not so much an end unto itself as it is an important counterbalance. Put simply, we need to make a conscious effort to acknowledge it because the tone of the conversation has greatly shifted from what was said when rock and roll first broke through to what's being said now. The attitude has shifted from "Rock and roll isn't worth honoring and celebrating because it's Black music" to now saying, "Black music isn't worth honoring and celebrating because it isn't rock and roll." It's no longer manifestly racist, but it's very racist in its latent implications, and rather revisionist at that. It's not about political correctness, it's about making sure the history is told accurately.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 12.23.16 @ 22:40pm


I just want to know one thing, if somebody can answer this for me. Make that two things:

1) Since WHEN did R&B and The artists who make it suddenly cease
Being relevant...or important??
2) Since WHEN did R&B acts suddenly cease being induction worthy ? And WHY?
And , while I'm at it...
3) Just WHO made the bonehead decision the things were going to be that way, from now on??

Posted by Bill G on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 03:07am


I just want to know one thing, if somebody can answer this for me. Make that two things:

1) Since WHEN did R&B and The artists who make it suddenly cease
Being relevant...or important??
2) Since WHEN did R&B acts suddenly cease being induction worthy ? And WHY?
And , while I'm at it...
3) Just WHO made the bonehead decision the things were going to be that way, from now on??

Posted by Bill G on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 03:07am


Bill G, My guess is that the music critics from around the late 1960s are to blame. Music journalism became big around the same time as albums became more than a collection of songs. Sgt Pepper, Pet Sounds, Blonde on Blonde etc made critics consider the album as the medium that artists can be judged on, while the single and the performance became to be considered less important. To this day, music magazines and websites spend far more pages on album reviews than on reviews for songs or concerts.

At the same time, artists who use their music to reflect on society or delved in their own psyche also got prefered over acts that mainly sang about love or dancing. What's Going On, Songs in the Key of Life, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, all the way to Lemonade this year. Gaye & Wonder, Sly Stone and Curtis Mayfield are inducted, but an act that was more singles driven like The Spinners aren't.

So there is a divide. R&B artists who released albums that are considered masterpieces by the rock critic community get inducted, leaving out the artists that released fantastic songs and were (or still are)give incredible performances.

You can't blame the Nominating Committee for trying. This year had Joe Tex, Chaka Khan, Chic and Janet Jackson on the ballot. War and The Spinners have been nominated recently. Unfortunately, it seems that none of these artists have the crossover appeal to get inducted like Bill Withers had.

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 06:16am


Interesting discussion on R&B and the Classic Rock Groups. I think one poster brought up a good point that these Classic Rock Groups have 4 or 5 members and that's 5 votes that go to a like artist. Some of the rap or R&B might be 1 artist and that's only 1 vote.
Bill G has brought up some valid points on groups like The Marvelettes and The Spinners who should be inducted. In the Nom Com's defense, they have placed them on the ballot but they have not received enough support. They have bent over backwards for Chic 11x nominated.
What's the solution? Maybe,they should have the new inductees nominate a group for next year's ballot. EX: Yes nominates Moody Blues, Journey nominates Foreigner, ELO nominates King Crimson etc. Or maybe they reverse the process...The voters nominate a slate of 12-20 groups and the Hall Committee deliberates on the 5-6 most deserving. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 07:04am


One point I forgot to add, and that hurts the chances of R&B acts, especially vocal groups, is that songwriters are considered by both the music press and rock fans to be 'truer' artists than interpreters. If you don't write your own music, you'll have a more difficult time to get inducted.

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 08:37am


King,

I do agree there has been interesting discussion on R&B and Classic Rock groups.
Bill G. has brought up valid points on the Marvelettes and the Spinners being inducted. Reversing the process would be a good solution. They have not received enough support in the current system. If the Voters nominate a slate of about 14-20 nominees. Acts like the Marvelettes, the Spinners and Steppenwolf would all easily be nominated. Although the Marvelettes would still have a problem due to the some of the younger members on the committee. The concept would be great though.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 08:46am


.....Philip and Paul, PLEASE, by ALL means, go live BLISSFULLY in your cognitively dissonant DELUSION - but DON'T subject, INSINUATE those of us INTO it who actually ARE capable of distinguishing between MUSIC, and BARELY-organized NOISE, self-indulgent NARCISSISM masquerading as valid expression, blindly serving only to obliterate even any consistent RHYTHM, utterly DEVOID of especially USEFUL or even CREATIVE insight, incredibly moving melodies (such as "Love Is Blue", to name one of THOUSANDS that less DESENSITIZED folks CAN appreciate.....)

Posted by ogam5 on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 11:53am


P.S. and oh, BTW, Philip, when speaking of 'complex concepts' it was in reference to prog, NOT all rock and roll (hence OBLITERATING your tacit suggestion that rap IS prog.....)

Posted by ogam5 on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 11:58am


to Paul from KY- Thanks for your very kind comments ,Paul !!

"Hey Bill,

Agree with you on Commodores going in before Lionel, although I think he's probably worthy of the double induction.

What are your thoughts on acts such as the Del-Vikings, Jerry Butler's solo work, the Fifth Dimension, and Kool & the Gang?"

Posted by Steve Z

Thanks very much, Steve !!

All of the artists you mentioned are Hall of Fame Worthy....all the more reason why Rap needs to be given a REST so that the huge R&B and Doo-Wop backlog can be cleared up.

JERRY BUTLER'S case is a particularly interesting one...Possibly the strangest in Rock Hall History !!
Jerry was the Original lead singer of the Hall of Fame-Inducted group, The IMPRESSIONS. He led on their first million-selling hit single, "For Your Precious Love". Curtis Mayfield was in the group too, but he was in the background in those days.(That is him doing that incredible high 1st tenor in the background on that record).
But, after one more minor hit, the group's label ,Vee-Jay Records, pulled Jerry out of the group and signed him as a solo artist, while dropping The rest of The Impressions from the roster !!
The SAME thing they did with GENE CHANDLER after HIS group, The Dukays, recorded the hits "NIGHT OWL" and "DUKE OF EARL" .
(Yes...the #1 smash "Duke Of Earl" was recorded by The Dukays with Chandler singing LEAD, not Chandler alone...plus a couple of them co-wrote the song as well...but it was marketed only under HIS name...a move which GENE reportedly protested,but the label did it ANYWAY),and they dropped the rest of the group.

Oh, if they had only KNOWN....
CURTIS took over the leadership of the Impressions, and after the departure of the Brooks Brothers, took the remaining members, Sam Gooden and Fred Cash, over to ABC-Paramount , the, starting with monster hits like "Gypsy Woman" and "It's All Right", The Impressions TOOK OFF...and never looked back...with hits like "Keep On Pushing" "Talking 'Bout My Baby, "We're A Winner","Amen","Choice Of Colors", "Check Out Your Mind","I'm So Proud","People Get Ready", etc, etc, etc...

..But Jerry's career ALSO took off...and he had hit after hit !!
JERRY BUTLER had his biggest success AFTER he left The Impressions: "(He Don't Love You) He Will Break Your Heart", "Western Union Man" "I Stand Accused","Only The Strong Survive","Need To Belong" , "Mr. Dream Merchant", and numerous other hits. Jerry had a BIG career after the Impressions....
PLUS,He became the Chairman of The Rhythm & Blues Foundation, wrote many hit songs with Curtis, Gamble & Huff,and by himself...
Became County Commissioner of Cook County, Illinois, Hosted all of those great PBS oldies specials...
But only got inducted as a member of The Impressions ??!!
JERRY deserves to be a DOUBLE-INDUCTEE, If ANYONE DOES !!!
His former group-mate, Curtis Mayfield, is a double Inductee, with the Impressions, and for his solo work, and Jerry deserves that honor too!!

SMOKEY also deserves to be a double-inductee....but the "Hallowed Hall" screwed up The Miracles' induction so badly,by separating Smokey from the group, and putting him in solo,26 years BEFORE the rest of the group got in,a solo induction would be silly and anticlimactic at this point...he had ALREADY enjoyed 26 years as a solo inductee BEFORE the Hall finally admitted their screw-up . Then it turns out his induction was as a member of The Miracles,since Pete, Bobby, Claudette, Ronnie, and Marv's inductions were added to HIS?? So, Smoke is probably not gonna get that solo induction; he was ALREADY inducted solo !!!

THIS is the VERY REASON why you don't pull people out of successful groups and induct them solo (like people are discussing now, with LIONEL RICHIE, PATTI LA BELLE,and CHAKA KHAN)and what ALREADY happened to DION,BOB MARLEY,BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, and BOB SEGER...it just angers the fans,AND CREATES STUPID CONTROVERSIES that sometimes NEVER GET SETTLED.

Posted by Bill G on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 12:16pm


ogam5, the great thing about a discussion on a form board is that everybody can read back what exactly has been said. This was your point:

"rap, is absolutely NOT as much rock as prog is, not even CLOSE; falls PATHETICALLY short in terms of arrangements, structuring, attempts to convey COMPLEX concepts"

Here you are saying, black in white, that prog is closer than rap because it is attempting to convey complex concepts and rap isn't. To which Philip replies:

"If you think conveying complex concepts is what rock and roll is all about, then you do not know the genre's origins, you do not know what you are talking about."

The discussion is not that rap = prog, but which of these two is apparently closer to rock 'n' roll. If your argument is that prog is closer because of "complex concepts", than you are wrong. 1950s parents were not complaining about the music that their teenagers were listening to because of its complexity, but because of its simplicity. Complex concepts is something that the prog community added to rock n roll, not something that always was part of rock n roll, and pretending that this is what rock is all about is just plain and simple wrong. In fact, that was the whole reason why punk came to be: prog took rock so far of its origins, that it forgot that the music was about making fun and accesibility for everyone.

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 12:21pm


Rather than just be completely critical, I'll offer a list of artists that, if inducted, would help to restore some of the Hall's credibility amongst the younger generations of alternative music fans. (This is completely off the top of my head, mind you.)

Bad Brains
Big Daddy Kane
Big Star
Black Flag
Boogie Down Productions
Can
Chic
John Coltrane
The Cure
Depeche Mode
Dinosaur Jr.
Joy Division
Brian Eno
EPMD
Eric B. & Rakim
Fairport Convention
The Fall
Fela
Herbie Hancock
Hüsker Dü
Iron Maiden
The Jesus & Mary Chain
Judas Priest
King Crimson
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Minutemen
Motörhead
My Bloody Valentine
New Order
Gram Parsons
Pavement
Lee "Scratch" Perry
Pixies
Sun Ra
Roxy Music
The Replacements
Sade
Salt-N-Pepa
Nina Simone
Gil Scott-Heron
The Sir Douglas Quintet
Slayer
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
Tangerine Dream
Richard & Linda Thompson
Peter Tosh
The Wailers
The Zombies

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 12:30pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt3eOCtJcas

Speaking of which, RICK JAMES was a member of THE STONE CITY BAND...but the members of THAT group are never discussed here.
Go to YouTube , and you'll see lots of old clips of Rick WITH The STONE CITY BAND..., But he's only mentioned on this site for his SOLO work AFTER he left them. "WHY ??"

The STONE CITY BAND is STILL touring and performing as of 2016...with a new lead singer that looks a lot like RICK !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmrbUHKyf0U

Posted by Bill G on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 12:30pm


Oh yeah, I forgot MC5 and the New York Dolls

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 12:31pm



I do think that there's a place for all of these types of artists in the hall - from the wildly successful rock bands of the 60s and 70s, to the R&B/Doo Wop/Funk/Soul acts, to Hip Hop artists, to Punk and Alternative rockers and lesser mainstream acts. I like the idea that the Rock Hall is meant to be a wide spanning and detailed collective history of Rock and Roll and all of its branches. Its part of my main aim when we think about inducting artists into the Revisited/Projected project we have here and its also why I find arguments that "we should be finished with the 1950s" or "Rap isn't rock" to be not helpful to the big picture.

If the Hall wants a way to combat this lack of diversity within genres for next year, my solution would be to fill the nomination ballot with more acts from genres or time periods that have been getting ignored, with one or two more traditionally popular Rock act that would undoubtedly get in immediately (i.e. Moody Blues or Monkees perhaps). That way, the rockists get represented while fans of R&B or alternative acts also have a better chance.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 13:07pm


Phillip, sorry I misread your post. Hope you have a great Christmas/New Year!

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 13:48pm


Does anyone think The Ramones were not rock n roll? Cause 90 percent of the hippity hop is more complex than their music.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 13:53pm


Yes' and Electric Light Orchestra's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame will represent another step forward for progressive rock. The question is ultimately which artists will benefit from their inductions? My guesses are: King Crimson, The Moody Blues, Procol Harum and Duran Duran.

Personally, I would have also liked to see The Zombies and The Cars inducted, but perhaps now, the Rock Hall Nominating Committee will finally put forth The Moody Blues as a nominee. In my honest opinion, The Moody Blues should have been inducted decades ago, they were a huge influence on previous inductees: Rush and Genesis and The Beatles. They were also a huge influence on current inductee- Yes and quite possibly, Electric Light Orchestra. When the members of Rush had mentioned who should be inducted, Geddy Lee had mentioned Yes, Deep Purple and The Moody Blues. Alex Lifeson had mentioned the fact that The Moody Blues and King Crimson were huge influences. As I have stated previously "I see no greater influence on the music of Rush's discography than that of The Moody Blues." The Moody Blues are third on my list of favorite artists after Rush and Yes.

Another artist who definitely deserves consideration for nomination next year is King Crimson. King Crimson has gone from the seventh position on my list of favorite artists up to the fifth position. This was due in no small part to my appreciation of their magnificent albums: "In The Court Of The Crimson King," "Red," "Discipline," "Beat" and "Three Of A Different Pair."

Procol Harum may receive another nomination next year. With next year being the 50th anniversary of progressive rock, I think that another nomination for the co-founders of "progressive rock" may be forthcoming.

Up from eighth position to fifth on my list of favorite "PROG" artists is Duran Duran. The more that I have listened to Duran Duran, the more that I have started to appreciate their work. A few songs from their new album, "Paper Gods" as well as their previous studio albums, "All You Need Is Now" and "Astronaut" has really cemented my appreciation of their work. The BluRay version of their most recent live recordings, "A Diamond In The Mind: Live 2011" and "Duran Duran: Unstaged" has cemented my interest in their live work as being amongst the best PROG live recordings ever released. I am just hoping that a new comprehensive compilation of their videos on BluRay and the release of "Reportage" will be forthcoming.


Who would I really like to see nominated next year?

01. The Moody Blues
02. King Crimson
03. Duran Duran
04. Sade
05. Procol Harum
06. Carly Simon
07. The Cars
08. Doobie Brothers
09. Queen Latifah
10. TLC
11. Mariah Carey
12. Jim Croce
13. Willie Nelson
14. The Commodores
15. Foreigner
16. Radiohead
17. Jethro Tull
18. The Zombies
19. Smashing Pumpkins

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 14:51pm


More artists I'm now noticing that I forgot: Billy Ward & His Dominoes, Johnny Ace, the Jam, Dick Dale, the Fugs, John Mayall, Nine Inch Nails, the Butthole Surfers, Yo La Tengo, Guided By Voices, Nick Lowe, Serge Gainsbourg, Big Youth, Minnie Riperton, Throbbing Gristle, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Buzzcocks, Bad Religion, Mott the Hoople, T. Rex, Todd Rundgren, Link Wray, Nick Drake, Dead Kennedys, Johnny "Guitar" Watson, Otis Rush, Billy Bragg, Don Covay, the Shangri-Las, Love, the Walker Brothers, the Spinners, the Shadows, the Meters, the Sonics, Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels, Ice Cube, Kool G Rap & DJ Polo, Donny Hathaway, Patti LaBelle, Suicide, Roberta Flack, and others.

There is a MASSIVE backlog of artists to be inducted and considered before anymore 3rd/4th rate glam and arena rock artists are inducted instead of legitimate musical innovators.

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 15:01pm


Correction:

Another artist who definitely deserves consideration for nomination next year is King Crimson. King Crimson has recently moved upward from the seventh position on my list of favorite PROG artists to the fourth position. This was due, in no small part to my appreciation of their magnificent studio albums: "In The Court Of The Crimson King (1969)," "Red (1974)," "Discipline (1981)," "Beat (1982)" and "Three Of A Perfect Pair (1984)."

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 15:03pm


"1950s parents were not complaining about the music that their teenagers were listening to because of its complexity, but because of its simplicity."

I doubt most such criticism had to do with whether the music was simple or complex but rather it had to do with the embrace of social mores that the previous generation found repellent. Doesn't simple music tend to be more popular in every generation? Granted, the argument still holds as many in the album rock generation found the social mores in rap rebellious (which is certainly hypocritical considering the misogyny in a lot of Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, and Aerosmith songs), while most prog was not that much of a shift in that regard.

Posted by Sean on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 15:49pm


While it's clear there's a bias towards guitar acts over other instruments, bias towards acts who peaked before 1980, and bias towards acts who had US popularity, which is why most of Chalkie's snubs weren't nominated, a few are pretty strange even considering that since it seems like T. Rex, Roxy Music, Todd Rundgren, and the Zombies all have the right instrumentation, era, and US popularity to be embraced and haven't been nominated. Brian Eno also if you count albums he produced towards US popularity.

Posted by Sean on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 15:58pm


Right, the Zombies were nominated.

I think The Cars and Moody Blues are two of the remaining classic rock bands who would still fit in on Chalkie's list, but most others would probably pale at this point.

Posted by Sean on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 16:04pm


Enig,

Now that both Yes and ELO have been Inducted I am willing to predict at least 2 prog acts to be nominated next year. I predicted the Moody Blues who didnt end up Appearing on the ballot actually. So next year I predict 2 prog acts with the Moody Blues to be nominated for 2018. I always say that the Moody Blues should have been nomimated and inducted decades ago. So in any case I predict the Moody Blues and Procul Harum as nominees for 2018. I am not getting into predictions much at this time. We just got the News of the current uductees.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.24.16 @ 20:08pm


".....Philip and Paul, PLEASE, by ALL means, go live BLISSFULLY in your cognitively dissonant DELUSION - but DON'T subject, INSINUATE those of us INTO it who actually ARE capable of distinguishing between MUSIC, and BARELY-organized NOISE, self-indulgent NARCISSISM masquerading as valid expression, blindly serving only to obliterate even any consistent RHYTHM, utterly DEVOID of especially USEFUL or even CREATIVE insight, incredibly moving melodies (such as "Love Is Blue", to name one of THOUSANDS that less DESENSITIZED folks CAN appreciate.....)"--ogam

You know, besides the reference to "Love Is Blue" which came out in 1968 (fantastic song, btw, but still an example of a one-off), that stark raving rant posted there is pretty much what naysayers said about rock and roll music back when it was making waves and shaping/creating the youth culture. Yet another reason rap is closer to the original roots of rock and roll!

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.25.16 @ 00:49am


"1950s parents were not complaining about the music that their teenagers were listening to because of its complexity, but because of its simplicity."

...And also because of it's roots in Black Rhythm and Blues, which their parents definitely DID NOT
want their children to be exposed to.

America was a much different place back then.
Sadly,recently, it seems to be going back to that.
Only now, it's not just parents that are trying to ban R&B.
It's ENTIRE ORGANIZATIONS, like Clear Channel
...and the "Good Ole" RRHOF .
One question: With it's strong emphasis on drugs, violence, and the sexual exploitation of women...
How does RAP get a pass ??

Posted by Bill G on Sunday, 12.25.16 @ 04:00am


R&B is neglecting by the Voting Committee for different reasons than the ultra-conservatives. It's not racism, it's misogyny. Hiphop appeals to men, R&B to women. Of course, this is an oversimplification, but it is a fact that 'softer' genres like R&B, soft rock, dance pop, have a more difficult time being acknowledged..

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 12.25.16 @ 05:16am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6KwI-mmGGc

Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Named - Full Report and Reactions

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.25.16 @ 08:32am


Enig and Ben

I'm predicting that King Crimson and The Moody Blues would be next for Prog.

My wish list for next year is

Radiohead
Kate Bush
Roxy Music
King Crimson
The Moody Blues
The Pointer Sisters
Poco
The Monkees
The Spinners
Janet Jackson
The Commodores
Raspberries
Big Star
Rufus & Chaka Khan

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 12.25.16 @ 18:51pm


"Does anyone think The Ramones were not rock n roll? Cause 90 percent of the hippity hop is more complex than their music."
-Paul From KY

Talking about shooting cops and raping women is not complex, it's just horrendous.

Posted by danny on Sunday, 12.25.16 @ 21:06pm


Yes, because every single hiphop song is about glorifying rape and cop killers. Rappers Delight, The Message, Walk This Way, Planet Rock, Fight for Your Right, I Need Love, Fight the Power, Dear Mama, Hypnotize, Ice Ice Baby, Gettin Jiggy With It, Can't Touch This, Me, Myself & I, Can I Kick It, Paid in Full, Hard-Knock Life, Lose Yourself, Gold Digger, Hey Ya, Killing Me Softly, Gangsta's Paradise, are all about these two subjects. Thanks for clarifying that.

Luckily, hard rock songs are only about innocent subject matter like wildflowers and cuddly new-born lambs.

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 06:56am


I am impressed with the Class of 2017. Joan Baez needed to be inducted before Janet J. if only one female was to be inducted. She has waited a very very long time. I think she was eligible when the Hall first started in 1986. She could have at least been inducted in 1988 when The Beach Boys, the Beatles and Bob Dylan were inducted. She wasn't likely to be in that same class.

Finally Chic is off the slate now that Nile Rogers is getting the Music Excellence award. It makes sense after 11 nominations. This way other R&b acts can get more of a chance.

The 2017 class opens the door to lots of other nominees in the Future. Im not going to predict anything for 2018 but I will sat that there is lots of acts that should be nominated in the future. Some of them are The Moody Blues, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Procul Harum, Bad Company, The Cars, The Chambers Brothers, The Commodores, Bon Jovi and and Def Leppard. There are so many others. All kinds of Nominees have a good chance after the 2017 class.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 07:46am


I had a lot of artists to write. Some others that should be nominated are The Doobie Brothers, Dire Straits, Judas Priest, Motorhead, the Pixies and there are many more. I own stuff from all these artists. I only own one tune from Motorhead and one from the Pixies. All of tese had some kind of influence and impact. These are NOT specific predictions for 2018 just artists to be nominated in the near future.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 08:00am


Danny, give me a break. Not all rap/hip-hop songs are about cops and raping women. That's just an ignorant way of thinking and stereotyping an entire genre (most of whom are black and other minorities). Look, hip/hop-rap definitely fits the rock-and-roll canon and those artists deserve to be there just as much as the ones who claim to be "rock." If anything the origins of hip-hop/rap in the late 70s/early 80s mirrors the rise of rock 'n' roll in the early-mid 1950s. Both were misunderstood by the mass at first (and among other similarities they are related to youth culture and rebellion). If anything hip-hop/rap has remained just as relevant (if not more) (just take a look at the careers of Kendrick Lamar, Frank Ocean, etc.) in 2016 than any rock act/band. I just can't stand rockist opinions that denigrates genres and subjects them to wrongful stereotypes. It's just wrong no matter how you think at it.

To paraphrase Chuck Berry, hail! hail! Hip Hop is here to stay! And there will only be more nominees from that genre in the HOF in upcoming years. Expect LL Cool J to return to the ballot soon; he should already be in and at one point he received the most votes from the HOF nominating committee in their nomination process years ago. Also, A Tribe Called Quest, Eric B. & Rakim (nominated in 2012), and Salt N Pepa will probably receive major consideration from HOF committee soon too.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 10:09am


Thanks, Claw. I don't have to respond to it. You covered it very well.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 11:12am


Thank you Ben and Greg F.,

I do believe that The Moody Blues will finally receive a nomination and induction in 2018. Procol Harum may also receive a nomination and induction in 2018. Overall, I think that there will be even more prog acts on the ballot. King Crimson may finally receive their first nomination and may receive an induction in 2019. Duran Duran may receive a nomination and an induction in 2018, as well. Again, an induction of Duran Duran would be a very smart move.

Due to Joan Baez's recent induction, the Nominating Committee may look for another female singer/songwriter. In this case, I think that Carly Simon would be a great choice. Carly Simon is long overdue for a nomination and induction.

As far as other artists who might receive a nomination is concerned, I think that there could be a case for nominating Sade. They have almost universal appeal. They will receive votes from classic rock artists, jazz artists, rhythm and blues artists, singer/songwriters and of course, progressive rock aficionados.

It is also possible that there will be a push to get the late great George Michael inducted as well, due to his body of work and his untimely recent passing.

So, as of now, here is my amended list of 2018 nominees:

01. The Moody Blues
02. Procol Harum
03. King Crimson
04. Duran Duran
05. Carly Simon
06. Sade
07. George Michael
08. The Spinners
09. The Marvelettes
10. TLC
11. Queen Latifah
12. Mariah Carey
13. The Cars
14. Depeche Mode
15. Boston
16. Willie Nelson
17. Radiohead
18. Smashing Pumpkins
19. Nine Inch Nails
20. Soundgarden

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 11:55am


Ben,

I had forgotten another nomnation possibility- Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Though they were critically reviled, the recent passings of two of their members, Keith Emerson and Greg Lake might be enough to warrant them a sympathy vote. However, I think that a nomination for King Crimson is more likely, overall. Still, it could happen, I suppose.


Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 12:08pm


Nah,

I was just kidding about Boston. If any band is going to follow Journey into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, it would probably be Foreigner.

01. The Moody Blues
02. Procol Harum
03. King Crimson
04. Duran Duran
05. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Doobie Brothers
09. Foreigner
10. The Spinners
11. The Cars
12. The Zombies
13. Radiohead
14. Queen Latifah
15. TLC
16. Mariah Carey
17. Soundgarden
18. Willie Nelson
19. Jim Croce
20. Smashing Pumpkins
21. Depeche Mode

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 12:49pm


Okay, one more time. Here is my early list of nominees for the Rock Hall for induction in 2018:

01. The Moody Blues
02. Procol Harum
03. Duran Duran
04. Sade
05. George Michael
06. Carly Simon
07. Doobie Brothers
08. King Crimson
09. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
10. Radiohead
11. Foreigner
12. The Spinners
13. Queen Latifah
14. TLC
15. Mariah Carey
16. Tori Amos
17. Soundgarden
18. Smashing Pumpkins
19. The Zombies
20. The Cars
21. Willie Nelson
22. Jim Croce
23. Depeche Mode
24. Snoop Dogg

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 13:09pm


Enig,

Thats quite an impressive list of 2018 Nominees. I am NOT ready for such a feat. I will certainly always agree with you on the Moody Blues. I will say that King Crimson have a good possiblity of a nomination in the next couple years. I was NOT even thinking of the recent Passing of Greg Lake. I was simply thinking of other prog acts. Greg Lake's passing makes it a bit more likely.
It could perhaps be next year. I think the nomination possibility of Emerson, Lake and Palmer would still wait a few years.

Due to Joan Baez's recent induction I do agree that the Nominating committee may look for another female singer/songwriter.
I think that Carole King would be a fine choice. Thats it on any kind of predictions right now. I will make a list in January. People said I was too early last January.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 13:35pm


Ben, don't know which Pixies song you have, but all of these are killer:

Bone Machine
Gigantic
Break My Body
River Euphrates
Allison
Here Comes Your Man
Debaser
All Over the World
Blown Away
Moterway to Roswell
Greens and Blues
Magdelena 318
Dig for Fire

Enjoy!!

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 19:43pm


"Yes, because every single hiphop song is about glorifying rape and cop killers. Rappers Delight, The Message, Walk This Way, Planet Rock, Fight for Your Right, I Need Love, Fight the Power, Dear Mama, Hypnotize, Ice Ice Baby, Gettin Jiggy With It, Can't Touch This, Me, Myself & I, Can I Kick It, Paid in Full, Hard-Knock Life, Lose Yourself, Gold Digger, Hey Ya, Killing Me Softly, Gangsta's Paradise, are all about these two subjects. Thanks for clarifying that."
-The_Claw

http://downtrend.com/71superb/heres-a-rap-video-that-tells-blacks-to-kill-white-police-officers

http://www.complex.com/music/2014/08/rap-songs-police-brutality/

https://medium.com/cuepoint/why-did-rapper-kxng-crooked-make-an-entire-album-about-killing-cops-da3c376a7073#.3zdxwrboq

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-17/entertainment/ca-51308_1_police-officer

http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/05/12/fox-news-contrived-outrage-over-cop-killer-rapp/179581

Yeah, rap music is peachy clean (note of sarcasm)

Posted by danny on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 19:48pm


Paul,

The Pixies song I own is Monkey's Gone to Heaven. I didn't see that on your list. I will check out those. The Pixies are a more modern band I know about.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 20:44pm


Danny:

I don't want to be hostile, but everything you've posted so far suggests that your understanding of rap does not come from any serious exploration of the genre, but a mix of Bill O'Reilly-ish talking points and channel surfing BET. That's not fair to any meaningful discussion of what rap is, where it came from, and it's relationship to rock and roll history. You've generalized an entire branch of music based on a couple more extreme cases. (And frankly, given the broken-door policing, shoot-first tactics that inspired Black Lives Matter, and stop-and-frisk policies that baldly target minorities and repeatedly, exhaustively documented discrimination against communities of color, hostility against the police is justified in many of the places where rap is most predominate.) By the way, you linked to a piece critiquing conservative overreaction to rap via MediaMatters. It directly contradicted the point you were trying to make.

I wonder- does your critique of rap come from any familiarity with this kind of music? Have you ever listened to a rap or hip-hop album the whole way through?

So I'm giving you a homework assignment to demonstrate that you are making these arguments in good faith. I'd like you to listen to the following three rap/hip-hop albums carefully- in their entirety- and come back and let us know if this has changed your perception.

1. Public Enemy- It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back
2. De La Soul- 3 Feet High and Rising
3. A Tribe Called Quest- Midnight Marauders

If you accept, let us know where this listening experience takes you. Appreciating rap- or at least understanding where it's coming from- doesn't take anything away from the 70s classic rock artists that you justifiably admire.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 20:55pm


I like these 2017 nominee lists, but I'm surprised that Chubby Checker isn't mentioned in any of them. He may (arguably) be the last major 50s act that isn't inducted.

Posted by Joe on Monday, 12.26.16 @ 22:56pm


Ben,

Thank you. As you are well aware, my primary objective now that Yes and Electric Light Orchestra have finally been inducted, has been to continue my support for the inductions of The Moody Blues, Duran Duran and Sade. Of course, due to next year being the 50th anniversary of PROG, I thought that it would have been appropriate to also include: Procol Harum, King Crimson and Emerson, Lake & Palmer on this list.

Of my top 5, I think that The Moody Blues, Duran Duran and Sade all possess the most crossover appeal. All three of these artists will get votes from aficionados of multiple genres. First of all, all three artists have "progressive rock" in their architecture, therefore they will receive votes from the prog aficionados, as well as the "classic rock" groups, in addition to those who prefer singer/songwriters, as well.

The Moody Blues will receive votes from the prog community, classic rock, singer/songwriters, folk-rock musicians and maybe, even country enthusiasts.

In addition to PROG aficionados and singer/songwriters, Duran Duran will also receive votes from classic rock enthusiasts, those individuals who appreciate dance music, pop and those who have enjoyed their music videos.

Sade will receive votes from prog aficionados, classic rock supporters, singer/songwriters, jazz enthusiasts, popular music and rhythm and blues and soul artists.



Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.27.16 @ 12:57pm


Enig,

Im not getting real into 2018 predictions right Now. I have a skeleton list in my Head of about 12 acts. Among these are the The Cars, The Chambers Brothers, Carole King, King Crimson, Kraftwerk and the Moody Blues. After the success of both the ELO and Yes inductions I will venture predictions for 2 Prog acts. Those would be King Crimson and the Moody Blues. I dont know King Crimson nearly as well as the Moody Blues and Yes.

I agree that the Moody Blues will receive votes from the Prog community, Classic Rock and Singer/songwriters as well as Folk Rock. They do have to get nominated first That may not be as hard as it used to be. Hey ELO and Yes were both nominated this year

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12.27.16 @ 13:19pm


Ben, I like 'Monkey's Gone to Heaven', fine song. I just personally like the listed ones a bit more.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12.27.16 @ 13:59pm


Ben,

In my honest opinion, if you are not familiar with King Crimson, I would suggest purchasing the following compilations:

1. The Young Person's Guide To King Crimson- this will give you a great overview of their earlier work.

2. The Compact King Crimson- this contains magnificent selections from "In The Court Of The Crimson King," "Discipline," "Beat" and "Three Of A Perfect Pair." This was my first King Crimson purchase.

3. If you like those two compilations and are prepared to get their greatest works, then I would suggest getting the Steven Wilson remixed versions of "In The Court Of The Crimson King," "Red," "Discipline," "Beat" and "Three Of A Perfect Pair."

All of these selections should be available online.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.28.16 @ 13:53pm



Ben,

Thank you for your continuing support of The Moody Blues.

In my honest opinion, if you are not familiar with King Crimson, then I would suggest purchasing the following compilations:

1. The Young Person's Guide To King Crimson- this will give you a great overview of their earlier work.

2. The Compact King Crimson- this contains magnificent selections from "In The Court Of The Crimson King," "Discipline," "Beat" and "Three Of A Perfect Pair." This was my first King Crimson purchase.

3. If you like those two compilations and are prepared to get their greatest works, then I would suggest getting the Steven Wilson remixed versions of "In The Court Of The Crimson King," "Red," "Discipline," "Beat" and "Three Of A Perfect Pair."

If you like those, you may want to purchase a copy of "Lark's Tongues In Aspic" and "Thrak."

All of these selections should be available online.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.28.16 @ 14:20pm


Enig,

I will check it out. I know In the Court of the Crimson King. Not too long ago I checked out Starless. I like Starless a bit. I know one of those 80s albums. That was pretty good. I will check out those collections when I get a chance.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.28.16 @ 16:01pm


What an utterly dull and unadventurous lineup, aisde from Tupac (not a fan, but he deserves it), ELO, and Yes. The Hall of Shams continues its descent into shameless pandering to populist bands (Journey, Pearl Jam) and acts with zero rock 'n' roll in their DNA (Joan Baez) rather than true trendsetters/innovators (Kraftwerk, Roxy Music, Afrika Bambaataa, Joy Division, New Order, etc.). So much for Tom Morello (why this jerk is even a part of the nominating committee escapes me) and Questlove adding diversity and a better understanding of post-baby boomer acts to the inductions, huh? Let's not neglect some of the highly deserving Early Influence names that should have been included 25 or more years ago (Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Wynonie Harris, Django Reinhardt, Roy Brown and The Ravens are all absolutely mandatory, for starters).

The more I reflect upon it, it wouldn't actually be such a bad thing if the Hall adopted a more exclusive, elitist mentality to its inductions. That way, it would fumigate the populist names and keep the perspective strictly on the true legends.

As far as rap goes, I hold much of it (at least modern-day stuff) in contempt, but I recognize the gold that is to be found amongst the dross in that genre. Curious how the Hall seemingly moved on from old-school (late 70s to mid 80s) onto so-called golden age (late 80s to 90s) rap so quickly after inducting Grandmaster Flash. I'd hazard a guess that the aforementioned Bambaataa, Kurtis Blow, Whodini, and perhaps also Newcleus and The Fat Boys also deserve enshrinement as top-shelf first-generation rap acts. That's the period of rap I enjoy the most, especially for the various electro acts (I am an electronic music junkie, so anything based on synths is going to garner a listen or two from me).

Finally, in regards to the Hall, I hereby paraphrase Morrissey to accurately describe how I feel about this pathetic institution:

Burn down the hall, hang the blessed baby boomer.

Posted by Zach on Wednesday, 12.28.16 @ 18:23pm


I usually read Bob Lefsetz's blog at least once a week, and I've posted about him on this site a few times before. Most of you know he usually writes about the entertainment (mostly music) industry, and he is a frequent critic of the RRHOF. Pretty much, he's a guy we want to hate but we also want to listen to as well, since he's mostly right about things.

Anyway, so one of his latest posts is about how the HOF is now a worthless organization with no credibility. You all should read it here: http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/2016/12/22/rock-roll-hall-fame-playlist/

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 12.29.16 @ 00:20am


Jason,

I read the blog from Bob Lefsetz's recent post. It is interesting. I am on my Phone I can't access it Right now to review. What I remember is he listed tunes from each New inductee. He also listed tunes from Kraftwerk. I guess he was including some extra Nominees that he likes. I didnt agree with Everything he was saying but his post was interesting.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.29.16 @ 08:21am


Zach, certainly agree there are several old-school rappers who need to be inducted (before the mid 90's & on crowd). Those you listed for sure.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12.29.16 @ 18:39pm


"The Hall of Shams continues its descent into shameless pandering to populist bands (Journey, Pearl Jam)"

So you think it should be just about innovation and not influence then? Pearl Jam's influence was colossal, although unfortunately it mostly led to post-grunge taking over mainstream rock radio for the most part from 1995-2010. Although most of what it influenced was mediocre for sure, I would say they and Alice in Chains ended up having more influence on rock radio than Nirvana did in the long run (with Pearl Jam primarily influencing all the poppier bands: STP, Candlebox, Collective Soul, Live, Creed, etc..., and Alice in Chains primarily influencing the majority of the more nu-metal oriented bands like Godsmack, Disturbed, Staind, etc...) It's weird how few mainstream acts Nirvana and Soundgarden influenced in the long run, but then they were more innovative and probably harder to duplicate. Nirvana certainly had much more influence on the culture at large and outside its genre. Further than the influence, I think Pearl Jam's albums though not exceedingly innovative were more than just commercial dross.

I also do find it weird you attack Journey so hard when I know you've been supportive of Foreigner, and I really don't see what the difference is. They both had a similar number of hit singles and albums over the exact same period in a very similar style, only Journey ended up influencing more bands in the genre at the time and is still fondly remembered today in a way Foreigner isn't. I don't see how Foreigner was any more innovative than Journey was.

Yeah, of course I agree that Kraftwerk was more deserving than them, and the Smiths and Cure and a lot of other alt-rock would be as well, and it's a boring group when combined, but I don't understand where the arguments you are making are coming from. I suppose I get it if you think Pearl Jam ruined '90s radio, but I don't think you can exactly blame them for the quality of the bands they influenced, or the fact that it was really the deregulation of the media via the 1996 Telecommunications Act that TRULY destroyed alternative rock radio and basically prevented any bands outside post-grunge, pop-punk, and nu-metal from breaking out subsequently.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 12.30.16 @ 12:53pm


@Paul: no, but the Ramones were definitely more MUSICALLY complex; AGAIN, by any LEGITIMATE definition, rap is simply NOT 'music' but, BARELY organized, RELENTLESSLY repetitive, NOISE taking its greatest pleasure from narcissistically spinning its wheels - the recorded equivalent of merely chirping tires so, showing off - and it's NO coincidence that its rise in popularity PARALLELS the steady decline of academic music programs since the late 70's - the truly MORONIC comparison to rock and roll's earliest days (of which I'm NOT a fan, either) is simply NOT applicable - 'rebellion', doesn't HAVE to sound like utter CRAP to be credible.....as for hip-hop (an idiotic term of and by itself) the ONLY group I've ever liked enough to buy, was Gnarls Barkley (waiting on the 3rd album) - because Brian and Chris (though I don't like the latter's Goodie Mob stuff at all) actually have MORE than a PASSING notion of what constitutes, 'music'.....one last note: OTHER than GB, the ONLY affecting melodies I've EVER heard in the genre, were "Gangsta's Paradise" and "Hey Ya".....

Posted by ogam5 on Friday, 12.30.16 @ 13:03pm


No, Sean, I support innovation (as well as reinvention, for that matter) AND influence. I never said innovation was the only valid criterion. I actually find critical acclaim even less worthy a barometer of HOF candidacy than commercial success, as rock critics tend to be rather myopic in their tastes and "ideal" of great rock 'n' roll music, not to mention quite a few bands in the Hall aren't critical darlings, but more than compensate for their other achievements (Queen is a notable example; their unique brand of theatrical rock, combined with the massive vocal talents of Freddie Mercury, equally massive popularity, and other qualities too numerous to mention outweigh whatever verbal diarrhea that self-appointed, bloated critics ike Dave Marsh and Robert Christgau have spewed about them).

I personally never heard anything special in Pearl Jam (white guys with guitars rawk isn't a high musical priority for me). Someone more knowledgeable than I could explain it better, but for me, the "classic rock revivalist" tag that's been attached to them is as accurate a description of their sound as one could muster. That, and their cover of Last Kiss is a total hack job (Eddie Vedder's voice is beyond irritating; a dentist's drill is more pleasant by comparison).

The operative phrase in your comment about my support of Foreigner is "you've been". I can't blame you for extrapolating prior comments of mine to the present since I rarely drop by FRL, but even as someone who likes Foreigner, I can objectively set aside my admiration of them and admit they weren't significant to the advancement of RNR, or music as a whole. Arena/AOR rock isn't something I enjoy a lot, but I have found Foreigner to be the cream of the crop in that idiom.

If you haven't read any of my sporadic comments over the last 2 years, I should briefly get you up to date on where my musical interest currently lie. I am primarily into jazz (of most stripes; swing, bebop, stride piano, Latin, and gypsy are special favorites though), '70s/'80s alternative (primarily synthpop, post-punk, gothic/dark wave, ska revival, sophisti-pop, and new romantic), R&B/soul/funk/disco (pretty much everything from the 40s to the 80s, although I find Motown slightly overrated; the Stax, 50s vocal groups and singers, 70s Philly vocal groups, and Atlantic stuff are more to my liking), blues (primarily jump/urban, electric guitar, harmonica, Chicago, and Memphis style), and early 20th century (1900-1930) popular music. I've also become appreciative of opera and classical. I gave up any notion of ever believing that this HOF would ever redeem itself quite a while ago, and this year's class only reinforces my lack of interest.

Posted by Zach on Saturday, 12.31.16 @ 23:11pm


Well, 2016 is finally over in my time zone, Happy New Year everybody! Let's hope that 2017 will be a much better year.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 01.1.17 @ 02:02am


ON REFLECTION
I only had 6 correct of the 19 nominees. Right on Journey though and the return of J. Geils Band. CHIC and Pearl Jam were easy selections. Figured Janet Jackson would be back. She's had a long career with many awards & hits. The Cars I figured would return as well.

I probably should have put ELO on my nominee ballot. There was plenty of smoke and fire around an ELO nomination. I'm surprised 2PAC was nominated & inducted 1st time around. Won't blame myself on that one. Kraftwerk & The Zombies appear 2 groups the Nom Com would like to see inducted. I'll have to put 1 on my list next year.

Prog fans can't complain with ELO & YES inducted now. Looking good for Procol Harum & Moody Blues next year. There is a long backlog of heavy metal Dio, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Megadeth that needs to be unblocked. Def Leppard would be a fine choice. I'd like to see Ben E. King get inducted a 2nd time but his recent death could help or diminish his future chances.

No doubt Bad Brains & Steppenwolf were surprising choices. Hopefully, Bad Company & The Guess Who can make the Nominees Ballot 2017 so I can vote for them twice a day.

4 out of 6 on the Inductees. KING 👑

Posted by KING on Monday, 01.2.17 @ 00:31am


KING,

How have you been doing?
It's wonderful to see that you have returned. I had to go back to my final list on October 18, 2016 to verify and realize that I had predicted 5 nominees (Yes, Electric Light Orchestra, Pearl Jam, Chic and Journey).

As far as predicting the inductees was concerned, I did correctly predict five out of the six: Yes, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Joan Baez and Pearl Jam on October 18, 2016.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 01.2.17 @ 03:58am


What future impacts will result, due to the inductions of Yes, Electric Light Orchestra and Journey?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 01.2.17 @ 04:03am


Enig,

I was correct with 6 acts as nominees. I was right with Chic, the J Geils Band, Janet Jackson, Pearl Jam, Tupac Shakur and The Zombies. I did Not see ones like the Bad Brains, Depeche Mode and Steppenwolf coming. I have hardly heard of the Bad Brains. I should have predicted ELO,Yes and Journey.

As far as the inductees I correctly predicted 4 out of the 6:Joan Baez, ELO, Journey and Pearl Jam. It is ironic that I did Not predict Yes for induction. I just wasnt confident enough.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.2.17 @ 13:35pm


Enig,

I was correct with 6 acts as nominees. I was right with Chic, the J Geils Band, Janet Jackson, Pearl Jam, Tupac Shakur and The Zombies. I did Not see ones like the Bad Brains, Depeche Mode and Steppenwolf coming. I have hardly heard of the Bad Brains. I should have predicted ELO,Yes and Journey.

As far as the inductees I correctly predicted 4 out of the 6:Joan Baez, ELO, Journey and Pearl Jam. It is ironic that I did Not predict Yes for induction. I just wasnt confident enough.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.2.17 @ 13:35pm


Enig,

I was correct with 6 acts as nominees. I was right with Chic, the J Geils Band, Janet Jackson, Pearl Jam, Tupac Shakur and The Zombies. I did Not see ones like the Bad Brains, Depeche Mode and Steppenwolf coming. I have hardly heard of the Bad Brains. I should have predicted ELO,Yes and Journey.

As far as the inductees I correctly predicted 4 out of the 6:Joan Baez, ELO, Journey and Pearl Jam. It is ironic that I did Not predict Yes for induction. I just wasnt confident enough.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.2.17 @ 13:35pm


Enig,

I was correct with 6 acts as nominees. I was right with Chic, the J Geils Band, Janet Jackson, Pearl Jam, Tupac Shakur and The Zombies. I did Not see ones like the Bad Brains, Depeche Mode and Steppenwolf coming. I have hardly heard of the Bad Brains. I should have predicted ELO,Yes and Journey.

As far as the inductees I correctly predicted 4 out of the 6:Joan Baez, ELO, Journey and Pearl Jam. It is ironic that I did Not predict Yes for induction. I just wasnt confident enough.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.2.17 @ 13:35pm


Enig,

I was correct with 6 acts as nominees. I was right with Chic, the J Geils Band, Janet Jackson, Pearl Jam, Tupac Shakur and The Zombies. I did Not see ones like the Bad Brains, Depeche Mode and Steppenwolf coming. I have hardly heard of the Bad Brains. I should have predicted ELO,Yes and Journey.

As far as the inductees I correctly predicted 4 out of the 6:Joan Baez, ELO, Journey and Pearl Jam. It is ironic that I did Not predict Yes for induction. I just wasnt confident enough.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.2.17 @ 13:35pm


Hey everyone I apologize for that post showing 5 times. My Phone went berserk. Sometimes I post from my Cell. Let me test things with this post on my Phone.

Enig,
You asked what future impacts will result due to the Inductions of Yes, ELO and Journey. All kinds of other nominees will come to light. The Moody Blues, King Crimson, Procul Harum, Jethro Tull, ELP, Foreigner and Kansas are some.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.2.17 @ 18:56pm


Ben,

Thank you for the response. Now, you know one of the reasons why I had been supporting Yes and Electric Light Orchestra for all these years.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 01.2.17 @ 19:21pm


Enig,

I am just starting to Mull over a 2018 Nominee list. I am revising my Skeleton list in my head. It turns out the Chambers Brothers have never been considered. So makes them unlikley. Also King Crimson have never even been considered. This means not even a single vote in the Committee. So here is a revised list of 6 acts that I predict as 2018 nominees. They are The Cars, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Iron Butterfly, Carole King, Kraftwerk and The Moody Blues. You see there is a list here on the site of Previously considered. This list is useful.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01.3.17 @ 20:35pm


I have expanded my skeleton list of 2018 nominees. Right now I am predicting The Cars, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Iron Butterfly, Janet Jackson, Carole King, Kraftwerk, The Moody Blues and the Smiths. I had 12 in my mind but I am unsure about a lot. I will have a whole list later in the month. I know you would be interested in that Enig and you too King. I have not figured out really about the Metal, Rap and 90s rock

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01.4.17 @ 07:26am


My nominee 2017. Bravo to The Hall of Fame for is work.

Big Mama Thornton

Sister Rosetta Tharpe

The Carter Family

Joe Cocker

Arthur Alexander

Johnny Winter

Gram Parsons/The Flying Burrito/Emylou Harris

T. Rex

The Swinging Blue Jeans

Judas Priest

Bon Jovi

Pat Banatar

Kate Bush

Big Brother & The Holding Company

Billy Preston

Chic

Joe Tex

Thin Lazy

Dire Straits

The Moody Blues

Cliff Richard & The Shadows

Peter, Paul & Mary

Thin Lazy

John Mayall

Wings

Quicksilver Messanger

Posted by Denis on Wednesday, 01.4.17 @ 08:46am


Is the list above from Denis for next year? I would assume when you say 2017 nominee you mean Fall 2017. I am very curious. In any Case good list. I assume its for 2018 class.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01.4.17 @ 14:34pm


Ok. I revised my skeleton list again. I realize since they tried the Cars twice they may skip on them for 2018 nominees. Yeah I know the Hall tried Chic 11 times in a row. Somebody at the Hall clearly loved them a lot. Other nominees are usually tried a couple times and skipped awhile. I do think there will be a huge push for Janet J. still.

Ok. Here are 8 acts for a skeleton list. Bad Company, Bon Jovi, Emerson,Lake and Palmer, Iron Butterfly, Janet Jackson, Carole King, Kraftwerk and the Moody Blues. I feel these to all be likely. I realize there will be sufficient Classic Rock again. I am pushing Iron Butterfly because they were previously considered I read. In light of MC5 and Steppenwolf I think they would give them a shot. My Hippie boss said 1968-1970 they were a big act and were on the concert circuit a lot. They did have that very long anthem In a Gadda Da Vida.

I am much bigger with Prog rock than 60s psychedelic Rock. I say the 2 prog acts could easily be Emerson, Lake and Palmer and the Moody Blues. Kraftwerk is not really my bag but the Hall seems to pushing them.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01.5.17 @ 07:36am


For sur, I speak about the next year.

Posted by Denis on Thursday, 01.5.17 @ 10:15am


While I do think its a bit early for me to predict the Nominations for 2018, I can already say The Cars, Janet Jackson and Bon Jovi have a good chance of showing up again. Of all the never-before-nominated acts, the Moody Blues should be the one. There's a part of me that says they will put more R&B/Soul on there more than ever, or more women. At least that's what I hope, because anytime they are criticized for something, that ought to be where they will listen.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 01.5.17 @ 12:56pm


Denis,

That is indeed a very fine list. Thin Lazy is a mistype. You meant Thin Lizzy. They are not a band lots of people think of on here. you should check out the Previously considered List. It seems like that is the Hall committee use for New entries. That is how I came up with Iron Butterfly and Emerson, Lake and Palmer.

I think the first 3 of Yours are too Old for the current Committee. Clearly though acts of the 1960's are still up for grabs. I think your first 3 are from the 50s. Even the Swinging Blue Jeans would have a chance some time. I don't think they have been previously considered though. FYI Herman's Hermits have been considered. So British Invasion acts are still in the running. Hey you got the Moody Blues. T. Rex is a 70s act that have been neglected. They were key for the Glitter rock scene in the 70s.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01.5.17 @ 13:01pm


So I am willing to give that skeleton list of 2018 nominees. I will already say that Bon Jovi, Janet Jackson and Kraftwerk have a good chance of showing up again. Bon Jovi was nominated in 2011. I think Journey has paved the way for Bon Jovi to return. The Hall is pushing Janet J. Now as for Kraftwerk I know they are an electronic band, its not my thing though. I have heard of them and I know they are a big influence in the electronic world. Now since electronic music has impacted Rock and pop in some way I predict them early.

As you said Jason, of all the Never-before- nominated acts the Moody Blues should truly be the one. Bad Company, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Iron Butterfly and Carole King are others I predict that have never been Nominated. I said that Iron Butterfly were key in the late 60s. In A Gadda Da Vida was an 18 minute anthem for the Hippies at that time. Carole King is a singer/songwriter choice that makes a lot of sense after Joan Baez. I think there will be some more R&B but I haven't totally figured it out yet.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01.5.17 @ 14:49pm


You gotta be kidding with touting Iron Butterfly! Enough of old hippie-rock bands, and the alt-reich types who keep pushing them down our throats...

Posted by Most Classic Rock Suxs on Thursday, 01.5.17 @ 19:11pm


Actually I don't like In A Gadda Vida. I think its one of the over rated tunes of that time. I like a bunch of late 60s stuff NOT that. Its just a prediction. I only know it was key in that time I also predict Kraftewerk. They are influential in the Electronic music world. Its NOt my thing but I understand it.

What I have to do is come up with full list. I haven't figured out my R&b and 90s Rock yet.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01.5.17 @ 20:14pm


Dude - The old hippies certainly were not the ones voting for Donald Trump. The most conservative, government hating of the old hippies may have become Libertarians, but they certainly didn't join the KKK or John Birch Society. Indeed the KKK and the John Birch society were actively combating the attempted culture changes being pursued by hippies; and unfortunately for this country those right wing forces have apparently won; likely by managing to convince hipsters like you how "uncool" they now are.

On a more rational note - given that Steppenwolf got nominated on the strength of two or three memorable hits; and Procol Harum has been nominated for a career with only one memorable US hit - it's not at all out of bounds to think the same might not wind up happening for Iron Butterfly. Is the resume thin? Yep. Are there much more important bands that haven't been nominated yet? Yep. But I could totally see it happening after recent years.

Posted by shrek on Thursday, 01.5.17 @ 20:15pm


I have to say, Rick Wakeman's turn around on attending the Hall Of Fame reeks of either complete ignorance of the history of induction ceremonies (widows and families of dead inductees have *always* been invited to pick up that inductee's statue, and even to give thank you speeches!) - or alternatively as complete spin (if there is a big Yes reunion at the Hall Of Fame, it may lead to a reunion tour, and Wakeman doesn't want to be left out of such a lucrative gig by pissing off the other members right now).

Posted by shrek on Thursday, 01.5.17 @ 20:18pm


Shrek,

Thank you very much for that response. You had a great response to that terrible distortion of Hippie Rock. I was born in 1965. So when I was 3 or 4 years old I didn't know what a Hippie was. I came to know while the Hippie movement was still around. I do NOT like getting political here but in this case I will. I HATE DONALD TRUMP. He will make America Hate again. I have always been Democrat. I came to this site to avoid politics and the Constant news of Trump and his Cabinet.

On a similar rational note I want to say that Steppenwolf got nominated on the basis of 2 or 3 hits but also on the strength of some albums. I worked at a used record shop back in 1989 with a Hippie boss. He taught me about Steppenwolf albums. It is very feasible that Iron Butterfly can be nominated too.
Ok here is a skeleton list of 12 acts.

Bad Company
Bon Jovi
Emerson,Lake and Palmer
Iron Butterfly
Janet Jackson
Carole King
Kraftwerk
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Soundgarden
The Spinners
The Zombies

I want to say here rather than mention my Classic rock choices that I think the Spinners have a great chance going back on a ballot now that Chic would not be on a ballot anymore. I love a bunch of hits by the Spinners. I like quite a bit of old R&B. On this skeleton list I have Janet J. and the Spinners. Radiohead and Soundgarden are 2 90s acts that have a great chance at being nominated. I like some Soundgarden tunes. Superunknown is a landmark album of theirs. They are another key 90s act that belong in the Hall.

I am mulling over Beck. I like a few tunes of his like Loser and Where It's At. He is Ok to me but certainly should be nominated in 2018 based on being a key 90s act. I am also mulling over Tina Turner. She has never been honored for her solo work. Private Dancer is a great album. I saw her in concert once.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01.6.17 @ 07:07am


Shrek,

I read the article on Rick Wakeman before.
I agree it seems to either be ignorance or wants to get in on a big Yes reunion at the Hall of Fame. I am pleased he will be there but the reasons are rather shaky.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01.6.17 @ 10:56am


BEN
Enjoyed your skeletal list of 2017-2018 Nominees. The RRHOF seems to have a love affair getting Kraftwerk & The Zombies inducted. Also, The Cars and Janet Jackson will be back. Only a few differences, I have Alice In Chains in place of Soundgarden and Procol Harum in place of ELP.
A Quick KING 15.
1.Def Leppard
2.The Cure
3.Moody Blues
4.Procol Harum
5.Bad Company
6.The Cars
7.Janet Jackson JJ
8.Alice In Chains
9.The Spinners
10.The Zombies
11.LL Cool J
12.Kraftwerk
13.Radiohead
14.Roxy Music
15.Duran Duran
I agree on Beck. Interesting if he's a 1st time nominee. Depeche Mode intrigues me if they return.

Posted by KING on Friday, 01.6.17 @ 21:47pm


King,

Great to hear from you. Def Lepppard and the Cure are ones to consider. I am staying with ELP. Its because not 1 but 2 members passed away in 2016. As I have said ELP is just P for Palmer. So before there are none left the Hall could do a sympathy Vote. Yes were nominated after Chris Squire passed for their 2nd Nomination.

Duran Duran is a terrific 80s choice. We have discussed them bfore. Although I like them way more than Depeche Mode I am not sure about them. I will think about it. I would say Cindi Lauper may actually be one to consider at some point.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.7.17 @ 07:45am


Something I have noticed is that most 80s acts were skipped over to get to 90s acts. Pearl Jam and other 90s are very deserving but it just seems like too many 80s acts were skipped over. Journey are just going in Now. They have been eligible for about 15 years. Bon Jovi,Def Leppard,Duran Duran,The Replacements and Tina Turner are all acts that should have been inducted already.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.7.17 @ 09:45am


Ben and KING,


Once again, here is a modified list of those artists who I think have that great chance of being nominated later this year.

01. The Moody Blues- now that Justin Hayward thinks that it is too late for them to be inducted. It seems like there is a great chance that not only will they be nominated, but they will also be inducted. Of course, being the co-founders of PROG will not hurt them. Likewise, will be the fact that Rush was heavily influenced by them.

02. Duran Duran- most of the acts who had started releasing music in the 1980's are now nostalgia acts. That is not the case with Duran Duran. Duran Duran will turn 40 next year. Simon Le Bon and Nick Rhodes have been writing and creating new and adventurous music for nearly as long. Simon had joined in May, 1980 and since then Duran Duran has been an enduring band and of course, a band with just a few lineup changes. So, the question has been asked, "Why have Duran Duran endured, while many of their contemporaries are nostalgia acts? Duran Duran are simply put, a prog band with several hit singles and they always have been.

03. Sade- I know what you're thinking. Who is this band named Sade and why do I like them so much? Because they bridge rhythm and blues, jazz and prog. Plus, their songs are great, from the extraordinary 'Smooth Operator' to ''The Sweetest Taboo,' To 'Is It A Crime,' to the sublime, No Ordinary Love.'

04. Procol Harum- the other co-founders of PROG. I have heard that little Steven Van Zandt likes them. Plus, there are those majestic songs like 'Conquistador,' 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale,' 'Shine On Brightly,' 'A Salty Dog' and 'Grand Hotel,' plus Gary Brooker has that great bluesy voice.

05. King Crimson- the founders of the complex variety of PROG. The Moody Blues had even considered signing them to their label. King Crimson were a huge influence on the nascent prog scene, but King Crimson took what The Moody Blues, Procol Harum and Jefferson Airplane had done and had brought it to the next level. Many artists cite King Crimson as being innovative, influential and long lived.

06. Emerson, Lake & Palmer- now that 66.67% of the members of this prog supergroup are gone, it may be time to give them a long overdue nomination. ELP is a very important offshoot of King Crimson.

07. Kansas- Rush was inducted in 2013 and Chicago was inducted in 2016. It may now be time for another North American prog band to finally receive their first nomination. Kansas started creating amazing music nearly 45 years ago and are still going strong, plus their recent documentary, "Miracles Out Of Nowhere" places a new spotlight on their great enduring music.

08. Carly Simon- if you want a confessional singer/songwriter who frequently utilizes orchestration, then Carly Simon is the artist for you. Not only were Carly's songs great, but they have endured for several decades and still sound fresh and innovative.

09. Foreigner- With Journey's induction, the spotlight will probably now be placed on Foreigner. Mick Jones and Lou Gramm had been inducted into the Songwriter's Hall Of Fame in 2013. Foreigner is also an off shoot of King Crimson, not unlike the aforementioned Emerson Lake & Palmer, Bad Company, U.K. and Asia, to name but a few. Oh yeah, one more thing, Rolling Stone Magazine had liked them. Foreigner is another enduring "prog" adjacent band.

10. Doobie Brothers- if you are a fan of music from classic rock to country rock to PROG to laid back soul, then The Doobie Brothers are the band for you. Their nomination is long overdue.

11. Mariah Carey

12. Willie Nelson

13. The Cars

14. T.L.C.

15. Willie Nelson

16. Jim Croce

17. Depeche Mode

18. Smashing Pumpkins

19. Nine Inch Nails

20. Sting?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01.7.17 @ 13:54pm


Oops, I forgot Radiohead by mistake, or did I forget them deliberately?


Otherwise, here is that 2018 nominees list once again:

01. The Moody Blues
02. Duran Duran
03. Sade
04. Procol Harum
05. King Crimson
06. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
07. Kansas
08. Carly Simon
09. Foreigner
10. Doobie Brothers
11. Sting
12. Tori Amos
13. Mariah Carey
14. The Cars
15. T. L. C.
16. Willie Nelson
17. Jim Croce
18. The Zombies
19. Depeche Mode
20. Kraftwerk
21. Chic
22. Smashing Pumpkins
23. Soundgarden
24. Radiohead
25. Nine Inch Nails

From this list, who do I believe will be inducted?

1. The Moody Blues
2. Duran Duran
3. Sade
4. King Crimson
5. Carly Simon
6. Radiohead

If 7,

7. The Cars

If 8,

8. Doobie Brothers

Yes, I am well aware that it is a very "prog" heavy list.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 01.8.17 @ 06:13am


So I am still NOT ready with a full list for 2018 but some acts I would like to see on a ballot in the next couple years are as follows. Def Leppard, The Moody Blues, Procul Harum, The Cars, Duran Duran,Emerson, Lake and Palmer, The Spinners and Tina Turner are all acts I would like to see inducted in the near future.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.9.17 @ 09:05am


Enigmaticus and Ben,
I know you both like King Crimson and progressive rock from your recent posts. King Crimson is the chosen Artist this month in the Album Project. You both should consider joining us in this vote later in the month. It's something to consider.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 01.9.17 @ 10:10am


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Listen to 'Rolling Stone Music Now' Podcast: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2017 Class

Posted by Roy on Monday, 01.9.17 @ 20:32pm


I am ready. Here is my full list of nominees for the 2018 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

Bad Company
Beck
The Cure
Def Leppard
Emerson,Lake & Palmer
Iron Butterfly
Janet Jackson
Carole King
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
The Meters
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner
War
The Zombies

I thought over Def Leppard and the Cure after the recent post of King. I said those were ones to consider. I own 2 cds by Def Leppard so I like some of their stuff for sure. I am not a fan of the Cure but I heard so much about them during the 80s.

I am sticking with my prediction of ELP due to the recent deaths of 2 members. If that hadn't happened I would have predicted Procul Harum. There is of course always the Moody Blues to consider.

I think there will be a little more R&B next year. The Meters,the Spinners and War have been on a few ballots before. I would like to see Tina Turner nominated. They tried Chaka Khan twice. I think it's time to try Tina. She was on the concert circuit a lot in the 80s and crossed over into a few genres. Private Dancer and Break Every Rule are good albums. I own a greatest hits of Tina Turner. Those were huge sellers in the 80s. I am very confident that Janet J. will return. I prefer Tina Turner but Janet Jackson may win an induction next year.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01.10.17 @ 07:59am


I think you would have to say this is a pretty diverse list. I am sure of you will notice it. It is Not as prog heavy as Enig's but it has a couple Prog acts. Hey since ELO and Yes are even inducted at the same time why Not ELP and the Moody Blues on the same ballot. This list is subject to change. I agree that Duran Duran is an enduring band and a band with just a few lineup changes. I can see Duran Duran as a prog band. The thing is I think the Hall wants to take care of 80s alternative bands like The Cure and the Smiths first.

The Hall seems to be pushing for Janet Jackson. So I expect her back next year. She has got a load of hits and albums. I can't deny that. I think Tina Turner may get nominated. What's Love Got to Do with It and Better Be Good to Me were key hits in the 80s and she was a key performer at that time. We will see what happens.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01.10.17 @ 14:08pm


Have said it before, but I consider Duran Duran to be a pop band.

Probably more pop bands in Hall than prog bands.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 01.10.17 @ 18:00pm


BEN

Impressive 2017-2018 Nomination List. I have at least 9-10 of your Nominees. Beck has a real chance as 1st time nominee. Enig's Prog Groups ELO & YES induction gives more Prog groups a chance at an inducton like a successful game of Chess or Red Rover. I'm going with Moody Blues & Procol Harum then ELP & King Crimson in 2018-2019. Bon Jovi had a good chance of nomination this year until Jon Bon Jovi shot his mouth off about 2 members keeping them from RRHOF. Therefore, Def Leppard a good Choice B.
Bill G. made a good point about the R&B getting no love in the nominations & inductions. Might bring War & The Spinners back. Enig keeps pounding the drum that Duran Duran as a prog band...I don't know but early 80's more new wave or pop.
A couple KING FAVS Bad Company or The Guess Who will be on my list. I think Iron Maiden & Judas Priest should be inducted but maybe some of the committee are concerned about the satanic type imagery and things. Think Janet Jackson & The Cars make induction next year. LL Cool J could be inducted. He's popular and has a cool factor. He would turn 50 in Jan 2018. That's a nice birthday present. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 01.10.17 @ 20:26pm


Let us for a moment consider the top 25 albums from this induction class and where they might rank overall. Now, since I know almost nothing about Tupac Shakur and very little about Pearl Jam, I would be unlikely to place them near the top of the list. Those artists who I am more familiar with will likely rank more highly.

25. Electric Light Orchestra: Discovery
24. Yes: Drama
23. Electric Light Orchestra: No Answer
22. Chic: Chic
21. Yes: The Ladder
20. Journey: Raised On Radio
19. Pearl Jam: Vitalogy
18. Electric Light Orchestra: On the third Day
17. Journey: Infinity
16. Yes: The Yes Album
15. Journey: Frontiers
14. Electric Light Orchestra: Time
13. Pearl Jam: Ten
12. Yes: Yhe Yes Album
11. Joan Baez : Any Day Now
10. Journey: Escape
09. Yes: Fragile
08. Electric Light Orchestra: Face the Music
07. Yes: Going For The One
06. Electric Light Orchestra: A New World Record
05. Yes: Close To The Edge
04. Electric Light Orchestra: Out Of the Blue
03. Yes: Tales From Topographic Oceans
02. Electric Light Orchestra: Eldorado
01. Yes: Magnification

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 01.11.17 @ 03:18am


Let's try this again, shall we?

25. Electric Light Orchestra: Discovery
24. Yes: Drama
23. Electric Light Orchestra: No Answer
22. Chic: Chic
21. Yes: The Ladder
20. Journey: Raised On Radio
19. Pearl Jam: Vitalogy
18. Electric Light Orchestra: On the third Day
17. Journey: infinity
16. Yes: 90125
15. Journey: Frontiers
14. Electric Light Orchestra: Time
13. Pearl Jam: Ten
12. Yes: The Yes Album
11. Joan Baez: Any Day Now
10. Journey: Escape
09. Yes: Fragile
08. Electric Light Orchestra : Face the Music
07. Yes: Going For The One
06. Electric Light Orchestra: A New World Record
05. Yes: Close To The Edge
04. Electric Light Orchestra: Out of the Blue
03. Yes: Tales From Topographic Oceans
02. Electric Light Orchestra: Eldorado
01. Yes: Magnification

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 01.11.17 @ 03:34am


King,

I do think Now that there is more of a chance for Prog groups. Im going with the Noody Blues and ELP. I did not know that Jon Bon Jovi said that stuff about members. We do agree that they may bring back The Spinners and War as well as Janet J. That would b Hopeful push for R&b.


Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01.11.17 @ 07:01am


I have this little tradition of playing all the current Rock Hall inductees. I own stuff from 5 out of the 6. I easily played 5 of them including Pearl Jam. I sampled Tupac to learn more on Itunes. I played a whole lot of Yes. I played stuff like Long Distance and the Close to the Edge epic yrack.

So then I tend to play some old Inductees like The Who and the Four Tops. I have said this before I have noticed many times that there is nothing new About catching uo on Older acts. 20-25 years ago huge 60s and 70s acts started appearing but at that time Frankie Lymon & the Teeneagers, Duane Eddy and Etta James were inducted. This harkens back to a topic of Nick's. I know some 50s stuff but my Stuff really begins with the 60s era. The Beatles, R Stones, Four Tops, Sam & Dave, Isley Brothers and Joni Mitchell are all acts I own stuff from.

I dig a bunch of 80s too.I like some Rock like Journey and Def Leppard,Pat Benatar and also Cindi Lauper, some Duran Duran, Tina Turner and the Bangles. All of these should be inducted. Journey is a start. What happens with the 80s? The 80s have their place too. I support a lot of 60s and 70s but some 80s too.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01.11.17 @ 09:02am


As far as 80s on my list. The Cure seem likely to return. They had several anthems or key tunes for the 80s new wave and Alt crowds. Tunes like In Between Days and Love Song were big. The Smiths could just as well return. I want Duran Duran more than either but someone said they are more pop or are viewed as Pop. I owned Rio once and there is more than Pop. Hungry Like the Wolf was a great anthem in the 80s but Save a Prayer was kinda known too.

Devo is an 80s group to consider some time. Some other good picks XTC, B52s, Joe Jackson and mayb the Fixx. Not sure about that last one.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 11:36am


“Rush and Yes and ELO are as good and as loved and as worthy as most of the acts in the Hall,” noted Rowley via e-mail. “I think it’s very damaging to the Hall of Fame’s credibility to continually ignore bands that they perceive to be on ‘the fringes,’ whether they’re prog, punk or metal acts. It makes you wonder if the selection committee is actually run by music fans.

This paragraph was excerpted from "Why the Rock Hall says: No Rush for you," by Tony Sclafani.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01.14.17 @ 01:23am


Ok so I have a few topics regarding the Rock Hall to touch on for everyones reading pleasure.

Regarding the organization itself, many people seem to complain about certain inductions such as rap and pop artists and how its called the ROCK N ROLL hall of fame not the MUSIC hall of fame. The bottom line is the hall makes the decisions on new inductees based on who can draw the most attention. Sad but true. For example I personally thought it was too early for certain inductees like GNR, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Green Day. All these bands were inducted long before the bands that influenced them. There may not be a GNR if it wasn't for Kiss but Kiss was shunned many times and GNR put in first. Deep Purple basically wrote the most popular guitar riff ever but was only inducted last year. None of that makes sense but the Rock Hall doesn't get it. I am glad people like Tom Morello are now there trying to make a difference so these iconic artists can take their rightful place in the hall right away. Artists like Rush, Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, Kiss and Van Halen all had to wait way too long.

I visited the hall in 2015, it was a great trip. I really enjoyed how the museum is set up to tell the story of rock n roll and all its roots. The display cases feature all types of cool memorabilia like Kurt Cobain's death certificate, John Lennon's Leather Jacket, a couch Jimi Hendrix used to sit on when he wrote music and so much more. They even have things from artists who are not inducted but could be someday. They also have things like famous photographs, all music listening devices from the phonograph up to the very first Ipod, peoples cars. They have a whole display dedicated to Les Paul, MTV and RollingStone Magazine. I spent four hours walking around this place so I could go on for days talking about it!

As far as inducting rap and pop artists like NWA and Madonna, all genres of music have influenced each other, many would not exist without the genre that came before it. An artist like Tupac had an enormous influence on not just music but pop culture in general. These artists deserve to be recognized for their achievements. The hall is not going to change its name because it is a well known name at this point and to change it is highly unnecessary. Many artists in one genre state their biggest influence to be an artist from a completely different genre. For example did you know that the drummers from Slayer and Limp Bizkit were both heavily influenced by Jazz drummers? Randy Rhoades, a heavy metal guitarist for Ozzy Osbourne based his playing style off classical music.

To anyone who is against rap and pop artists being inducted I say open up your mind and think about this, if you drew up a family tree of music all the genres would in some way shape or form have branches leading to each other.

For the 2018 inductees I say theres a million ways it could go. I don't have an exact prediction. I will say this, the hall will always look for someone who can draw attention. For me I feel like a band like Bon Jovi or Def Leppard would work well. Both have been eligible for some time and would fit what the hall wants. I thought Janet Jackson should have been voted in this year so maybe Janet. They seem to be selecting hip hop artists every year but I am not sure who to select, probably Notorious BIG or maybe Dr Dre. I do think Jethro Tull, the Moody, Blues, The Cure, Boston, Steppenwolf , ELP and King Crimson all have a good shot. I am really shocked none of these last five artists are in yet, then again maybe its not so shocking given the halls reputation for shunning worthy acts.

Posted by Vito on Saturday, 01.14.17 @ 02:46am


There are so many artists who should have been inducted years and years ago:

Chic (Nominated 11 times and all the hall does is give one award to Nile Rodgers and its not even an induction?!)

Carole KIng
Connie Francis
Jan and Dean
Carpenters
Dire Straits
Doobie Bros
Dick Dale
Harry Nilsson
Jim Croce
The Smiths
Peter Paul & Mary
The Spinners ( How is that possible!!)
Three Dog Night
The Zombies

I am not even a fan of most of these artists, but my god I recognize that they should have been sprinkled into the inductees over the years!

Posted by Vito on Saturday, 01.14.17 @ 03:10am


Vito,

As I write this I was going to say whoever this is I absolutley agree. Its you Vito. Wlcome to this chat site. This is a great olace for this talk. Sooo Vito I do agree with everything you say. In the Rock Hall season Im on here a lot. King, Enig and DarinG are regulars on here. Darin is a fine Modern Rock type fan. There is of course Enig with his Prog. So guys this is Vito.

So King made a good point 2 weeks ago about Def Leppard. He pointed out that Jon Bon Jovi said something against the Hall about treatment of some Bon Jovi members.
King would have to say.

I like quite a bit of Prog Rock. Finally ELO and Yes have been inducted. It clears a path for The Moody Blues and ELP next. I have been predicting The Moody Blues for about 7 years now. They are a personal fav that have been ignored every year. Also the Cure should be inducted. I have predicted them for the 2018 ballot. I am not a fan of the Cure but they should b inducted. I think Duran Duran, Cindi Lauper and the Cars should be considered more. Me and others on here wonder how it is possible the Spinners are not in yet. The same thing with War and the Meters. These 3 R & B ones have been on ballots. So Welcome Vito.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.14.17 @ 08:27am


Vito,

I also want to say that Carole King and the Zombies are ones I predict for 2018. I am not a big fan of Carole King. My girl friend is but she makes a good singer/songwriter choice. The Hall likes those. Also I like several songs by the Zombies.

I will tell you that last year in 2015 that is 16 People were fired from the Hall committee. Mostly people in their 70s who were experts on 50s type music. While there is a Sad side to that it strengtens the chance for acts of the 70s and 80s. There is still people who were teenagers in the 60s like Paul Schaefer on the committee. That means Steppenwolf, The Zombies, Moody Blues and others can easily be nominated.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.14.17 @ 11:11am


Nearly 8 years ago, Tony Sclafani wrote the article, "Why the Rock Hall Says: No Rush for You!"

Here are many excerpts from this very important article:

When the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame holds its annual induction ceremony April 4, there once again won’t be any progressive rock artists amongst its five honorees. The Rock Hall’s snubbing of the once-popular genre hasn’t gone unnoticed by its supporters.

In the past few years, fans of Yes and the Moody Blues have started online petitions to get those groups a nod. Blogs and Web sites question the Hall’s choices, as did Stephen Colbert when he interviewed Rush (who also have a campaign petition).

Decades ago, these groups packed thousands into stadiums and sold tons of vinyl by pushing the boundaries of rock. But evidence suggests their elaborate concept albums, impeccable musicianship and oblique lyrics might have pushed things too far for the Hall’s tastemakers.

The Hall began honoring performers in 1986, starting with pioneers like Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Elvis Presley. More recently, pop acts like Billy Joel, the Bee Gees and Madonna have made the cut, but Rush, Yes, the Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, the Electric Light Orchestra, Genesis, Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Soft Machine have not. Beyond Pink Floyd, the closest the Hall gets to prog is Queen (who flirted with the genre) and Police drummer Stuart Copeland, who played in Curved Air.

Prog rock (as it’s colloquially known) will especially be conspicuous in its absence at this year’s induction. Jeff Beck was already inducted with the Yardbirds (the Rock Hall has honored over a dozen musicians twice), while Little Anthony and Bobby Womack are artists with limited influence. Metallica and Run-DMC have leapfrogged over the classic prog bands with their nominations, since members of both groups were still in school when progressive rock ruled.

“Rush and Yes and ELO are as good and as loved and as worthy as most of the acts in the Hall,” noted Rowley via e-mail. “I think it’s very damaging to the Hall of Fame’s credibility to continually ignore bands that they perceive to be on ‘the fringes,’ whether they’re prog, punk or metal acts. It makes you wonder if the selection committee is actually run by music fans."

“We’re at a weird place in rock history where things aren’t as compartmentalized as they used to be — where people used to define themselves as mods or rockers or punks or metalheads. Nowadays people have access to everything and pick what they like. The idea of ‘a canon of rock music’ — established and defined by a musical elite — seems more and more ridiculous and untenable.”

Now that Rush, Yes and Electric Light Orchestra have been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I think that The Moody Blues will be the next major "prog" artist that The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee will support for induction.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01.14.17 @ 13:54pm


First of all, let's look at the 2017 inductees and their relationship to "prog rock," courtesy of info obtained from Prog Archives:

1. Yes- major "symphonic progressive rock" band from the United Kingdom, who had influenced Rush, in addition to several others.

2. Electric Light Orchestra- major "crossover prog" artist from the United Kingdom.

3. Journey- a major "prog related" artist from the United States.

4. Joan Baez- major folk rock artist who was an influence on the development of "prog folk."

5. Nile Rodgers had worked with the great late David Bowie, a major "prog" related artist on "Let's Dance."

6. Pearl Jam- a major alternative artist who had been supposedly influenced by Rush. Matt Cameron had played drums on Geddy Lee's solo album, "My Favorite Headache."

7. Tupac Shakur?

Now, where do we go with these inductees?

First of all, I think that the inductions of: The Who, The Doors, Pink Floyd, Jefferson Airplane, Traffic, Genesis, Rush, Heart, Chicago, Deep Purple, Yes, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Joan Baez and others will lead to a nomination for The Moody Blues and a re-nomination for Procol Harum.


Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01.14.17 @ 14:24pm


Enig,

It seems to me I came across this article a little bit. I didn't watch the 2009 ceremony. I skipped that one. I know the 2009 roster well though. I can understand Jeff Beck. I own a few of his albums. I don't know Little Anthony much but I do know Bobby Womack. I don't know why he had to be inducted before Rush or Yes. Bobby Womack belongs to be fair but it does seem that if Not for so much bias Rush could have been inducted in 2009 and Bobby Womack in 2013. That's fair.

Rush and Yes should have been inducted years before Metallica. A couple guys in Metallica mentioned that themselves. One of them mentioned the importance of Rush I think.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.14.17 @ 14:34pm


Once again, I will attempt to list those artists, who I believe may be nominated for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2018.

01. The Moody Blues- crossover prog, symphonic rock
02. Duran Duran - crossover prog, pop
03. Sade- progressive soul, smooth jazz
04. Carly Simon- singer/songwriter, prog adjacent
05. Doobie Brothers - Pop, rock, r & b, soul
06. Foreigner- rock, hard rock, prog adjacent
07. King Crimson- eclectic prog
08. Procol Harum- crossover prog, symphonic rock
09. Mariah Carey- singer/songwriter, r & b, hip hop, soul
10. The Spinners- r & b
11. TLC- hip hop, r & b
12. Willie Nelson- country
13. Kraftwerk- electronic progressive
14. Kansas- symphonic progressive
15. Smashing Pumpkins- alternative
16. Nine Inch Nails- industrial, alternative
17. The Cars- rock/ new wave/ power pop
18. Radiohead- alternative rock, art rock
19. Supertramp- symphonic progressive, crossover prog

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 01.15.17 @ 00:04am


Ben,

Thank you. I do agree that Rush and Yes should have been inducted quite a while ago. However, we cannot harp on past mistakes, instead we need to support the induction of The Moody Blues, Procol Harum and other previously mentioned artists.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 01.15.17 @ 06:13am


Enig,

So true. We should not harp on the past mistakes. Im done with That. I predict and Support the Moody Blues and ELP for next. I support Procul Harum and others mentioned But the first 2 are the ones I predict.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 01.15.17 @ 06:48am


I agree with the nominees you guys predict for next year. There are a few that although I think deserve the nomination, probably shouldn't or just won't get inducted anytime soon. NIN, Smashing Pumpkins and Radiohead, I am a big fan of all these bands but I just don't think they did "enough" to go in before other bands from that revolutionary 90's era. I think Soundgarden and Alice in Chains have a great shot of getting in over the next couple of years and I predict they will. The hall has been inducting bands over the last few years who were at the forefront of the 90s era hence the inductions of Nirvana, Green Day and now Pearl Jam. And again a band like Bad Brains who heavily influenced Nirvana and an entire generation of punks only got nominated but will hopefully go in soon.

And as I keep reading these posts I can't believe some other bands I didn't realize haven't gotten in yet, Kansas! Foreigner with all their big hits and no induction! Willie Nelsons not in ? Ozzy Osbourne is in with Black Sabbath but he should be inducted for his solo career now. Eddie Trunk has also been someone who is very vocal about how messed up the hall is, he was always complaining about Rush, Purple, Alice C ,Kiss and other bands not being inducted. I think that may have helped those inductions happen.

The variety of people on the halls board is definitely gonna make a difference. Having Tom Morello is great but yes if some people who were more for the old acts are gone that can hurt. All must should do more to educate each other.

The past and new inductions of prog acts I agree will now open the door for the rest of the prog bands. They can't induct everyone in one year and I'm sure they like to have a variety of acts for a particular year. I don't know much about all of them , like Kraftwork I honestly don't think I know them at all. I know little about the Moody Blues, ELP and SuperTramp but enough to know they must go in.

Posted by Vito on Sunday, 01.15.17 @ 13:22pm


Vito,

Good to see you on here again. Exactly right about Tom Morello being great but if some people who were more for the Old acts are gone that can hurt. That is true but almost all 16 of the committee members were over 70 and were 50s experts. There is a lot of people on the committee for Old acts. Steve Van Zant, Paul Schaefer and Dave Marsh all grew up in the 60s. This year MC5, Steppenwolf and The Zombies were all nominated from the 60s. In other words Chubby Checker has a lot less chance but The Zombies and Steppenwolf still have a good chance.

A lot of us on here feel that strengthens chances for Prog and Metal. Its been a long time since a 50s act went in anyway. Now the current members should educate eachother. I dont know if that happens.Me and King who is a regular agree that The Hall likes nominating Kraftwerk. Its one of the pet projects. Heyyyy King would you like to chime in. Vito is new here. Your opinion would be great or Enig or Darin.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 01.15.17 @ 14:33pm


Vito,

The Moody Blues are the co-founders of both "art rock" and "progressive rock." If you enjoy the mellower music of Rush, where Geddy Lee is singing in his normal range, instead of screeching, then you will probably enjoy the music of The Moody Blues. In my honest opinion, I see no greater influence overall on Rush's discography than that of The Moody Blues. The Moody Blues had also influenced such artists as: Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Kansas, Styx, Deep Purple, etc.

If you are interested in discovering the music of The Moody Blues, then I would suggest purchasing the compilation, "This Is The Moody Blues." If you like live albums, then I would suggest getting the Deluxe Edition of "A Night At Red Rocks (with the Colorado Symphony Orchestra)." If you should enjoy those, then I would suggest, or consider purchasing 6 of their studio albums: "To Our Children's Children's Children," "Days Of Future Passed," "In Search Of The Lost Chord," "Long Distance Voyager," "Strange Times" and "Seventh Sojourn." Another possibility would be their compilation, "Gold," or perhaps even a copy of the original "Time Traveller" Box set, with the bonus disc, instead.

But they were not alone in their progressive pursuits, the previously inducted Jefferson Airplane and previous Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame nominee Procol Harum were also involved in this mix, by combining Baroque, Classical, Jazz and Rock together nearly 50 years ago.

However, The Moody Blues are essential prog.

Emerson, Lale & Palmer was a prog supergroup consisting of three musicians who had started in three earlier prog bands: The late Keith Emerson had been a member of The Nice, the late Greg Lake had been a founding member and the bassist and vocalist of King Crimson and Carl Palmer had been a member of Atomic Rooster and The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown. If you are interested in the music of Emerson, Lake & Palmer then I would strongly suggest purchasing their newest compilation: "The Anthology," or their older compilation, "The Atlantic Years."

Supertramp was a band created by a Dutch millionaire, Stanley August Miesegaes who had financed a band for Rick Davies and Roger Hodgson. Their best albums were made post 1973 and prior to Roger Hodgson's departure. I highly recommend their live album, "Paris'," in addition to their studio masterpieces: "Crime Of The Century," "Even In The Quietest
Moments" and "Breakfast In America."

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 01.15.17 @ 15:08pm


Ben,

I had forgotten that there might be a sympathy vote for Emerson, Lake & Palmer due to the recent passings of Greg Lake and Keith Emerson, but I think that King Crimson will get the nomination instead later this year.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 01.15.17 @ 15:13pm


Enig,

Thanks for posting to my friend Vito. As far as Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Im goimg with my prediction of the sympathy Vote. Also I have referred to the Previously considered list. Yu should look at that. Thats a list of Acts that got some Votes. King Crimson have not been previously considered. Hey the Moody Blues have beenoreviously considered. These are good signs at least. Yu know what Jethro Tull is also on this list. But The Hall will probably wait on Tull.

Posted by Enig on Sunday, 01.15.17 @ 15:30pm


Ben,

Is that previous posting yours?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 01.15.17 @ 22:01pm


Enig,

That previous post certainly was me. Thats happened a couple times. I did that again I put the name of the person Im chatting with instead of my own. I did that with Nick or someone once too.

Sooo lets try that again. As far as Emerson, Lake and Palmer Im going with my prediction of the sympathy vote. Also I have referred to the Previously considered list. You should look at that. Thats a list of acts that got some votes including those nominated but never have been inducted. Some acts like ELP got some Votes but were not nominated yet. King Crimson have not been previously considered. Don't worry the Moody Blues have been previously considered.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.16.17 @ 05:11am


Ben,

Thank you. A nomination for Emerson, Lake & Palmer would be quite surprising, since many have considered ELP to be the poster child for pretentious, overindulgent progressive rock. However, the late Greg Lake was also an original member of King Crimson. King Crimson has been mentioned in various artist's biographies and has received more critical acclaim. So, I think that a nomination for King Crimson might be next, instead.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 01.16.17 @ 09:20am


Let's try this again:

Vito,

Emerson, Lake & Palmer was a prog supergroup, consisting of three musicians who had started in three earlier prog bands. The late Keith Emerson had been a member of The Nice, the late Greg Lake had been a founding member, bassist and vocalist for King Crimson and Carl Palmer had been a drummer for Atomic Rooster and The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown. If you are interested in the music of ELP, then I would strongly suggest purchasing their latest compilation, "The Anthology," or their earlier compilation, "The Atlantic Years." If you like those, then, you might want to get "Tarkus," "Trilogy," "Emerson, Lake & Palmer," "Brain Salad Surgery" and "Works Vol. I" I would definitely stay away from "Love Beach," the nadir of their output.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 01.16.17 @ 09:33am


Enig,

Thanks for the info. Not sure I knew Rush was influenced by The Moody Blues. I've seen a bio on Geddy Lee and I've see the doc Beyond the Lighted Stage but I can't remember if they mentioned Moody Blues.

I listened to one of their albums maybe 4 years ago, probably one of the hit compilations. I believe I liked it a little but I'll have to check out the studio albums you mentioned. I like listening to those first more than just a greatest hits. I like to discover the deeper tracks.

Posted by Vito on Monday, 01.16.17 @ 09:49am


Enig,

You should check out the Previously considered list. Thats why Im staying with ELP. They were attempted but NOT King Crimson. Both are however worthy

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.16.17 @ 12:41pm


Enig,

Good recommendations for ELP. I own Brain Salad Surgery and Best Of. I downloaded thw Trilogy title track a long time back. I knew all these over 35 years ago. I owned Tarkus and Trilogy on Vinyl way back over 35 years ago.

The only recommended Moody Blues albums you said that I dont currently own are Long Distance Voyager and Strange Times. I owned Long Distance in 1981, 82 on Vinyl. I have never owned Strange Times. I own the others mentioned. Days of Future.. and In Search are great

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.16.17 @ 13:37pm


I just want to say again it is such a great triumph to have ELO and Yes as inductees. It is also a triumph to have Journey. They represent the 80s this year. It brings 80s arena Rock into the picture. As I said Journey is a good sign for 80s acts in the Hall. This should pave the way for Foreigner who are Ok. I am really NOT sure about Boston any time soon. They had the one notable album. Styx has a greater posibilty. These arena bands started in the 70s but had a lot of success in the 80s. Bon Jovi and Def Leppard seem like next in line. King mentioned Jon Bon Jovi was shooting his mouth off about the Hall so lets give it to Def Leppard for next year.

The 1980s are an area kinda ignored. They have skipped a lot of 80s to get to 90s acts. So I wont harp on the mistake but it is time to do something about that. I think moving forward there will be a few 80s acts on the ballot and at least 1 will be inducted usually. There is all sorts of 80s acts to consider. There is arena Rock like Def Leppard and there is Janet J to consider which is totally different

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01.17.17 @ 06:27am


You know what. I am revising my list of predictions for 2018. I read a list on the Northrumbrian Countdown by Alex Voltaire I think. I didnt stop to think that Beck is not eligible until the following year
Also there should be and may be a Blues Rock choice. Here is my revised list.

The Cure
Def Leppard
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
J. Geils Band
Iron Butterfly
Janet Jackson
Carole King
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
The Meters
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner
War
The Zombies

That is my revision. The J. Geils Band is good Blues Rock choice. I feel they can easily be nominated again. I realize that Beck is not eligible until the following year. So I predict Rage Against the Machine. My other choices remain the same. The whole list is subject to change later on. I am not a fan but the Cure have a good shot among the 80s alt acts. I feel strong about both ELP and the Moody Blues. This will be my list. All of them make sense.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01.17.17 @ 21:12pm


Enig,

Now that I covered the 80s a bit I would like to cover some 70s prog again. As far as Emerson, Lake and Palmer I know about the comps The Anthology and the Alantic Years but I own the Best of ELP. As I said I own Brain Salad Surgery. I am about 10 ywars older than Vito so I know a whole bunch of ELP albums. I am considering buying Trilogy and Tarkus. I would be revisiting these. I had them as a teenager on Good old vinyl.

I know Supertramp very well. I was first into Supertramp in 1979. Their best albums are Crime of the Century, Even in the Quietest Moments and Breakfast in America. I dont think they will be on a ballot for the Rock Hall for quite some time. Yu said awhile back that it could take "over 100 years"for the basic prog acts to all be inducted. You may have been joking. Although it could take about 20 years. I am only talking about the essential ones you mention quite a bit.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01.18.17 @ 08:27am


Ben and Vito,

You are very welcome.


Vito,

Even though not mentioned specifically in "Rush: Beyond The Lighted Stage," The Moody Blues has been described as a huge influence on Rush by founding member and guitarist Alex Lifeson, in an interview with U.S.A. Today, prior to Rush's induction. Also, Geddy Lee mentions The Moody Blues in an article in the Toronto Globe & Mail, alongside previous inductees Deep Purple and current inductees, Yes.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 01.19.17 @ 09:42am


Enig,

I do believe I read over the years about the influence of Moody Blues on Rush. So wjat I was saying is that I think it will take about 20 years for all the essential prog acts to be inducted. Do yu recall saying over 100 years for that. You said something like that a couple months ago. Now this was before the success of ELO and Yes inducted in the Hall. Perhaps you were joking or changed your mind on that. I think it was because a prog act has been inducted every few years. Before this year Rush was the last prog act Inducted. Things do seem more hopeful NOW.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01.19.17 @ 15:51pm


Ben,

Thank you. I am a little more hopeful about the inductions of major "progressive rock" bands, into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, now that 4 out of the 5 major bands, according to PROG Magazine have been inducted, but please look at how many years apart, those previous inductions were, using one blank line, in order to represent each passing year between their inductions and the first year of their eligibility:

The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is founded in 1986.


The Moody Blues first become eligible in 1989.


Pink Floyd and Procol Harum first become eligible in 1992.

Yes, Genesis and King Crimson first become eligible in 1994.

Pink Floyd is inducted into the Rock Hall (1996). +

Rush first becomes eligible for induction in 1998.












Genesis is inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame (2010)


Rush is inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame (2013).



Yes is inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame (2017)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01.21.17 @ 11:52am


So, the question really becomes: Why weren't any major "progressive rock" bands inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame between 1996 and 2010?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01.21.17 @ 12:09pm


Enig,

That is a very good question.I know you said not to harp on mistakes but here is an explanation. The Hall was still catching up on some 50s acts. I have discussed this with Nick. I know some of those. I can respect that. The Main thing is that Classes were shrunk. Roughly 6 a year for awhile. The period of 1998-2001 had a steady amount of essential acts like Fleetwood Mac, Santana, Eric Clapton,Lovin Spoonful, James Taylor, Aerosmith, Steely Dan and Paul Simon.

What happened after that is the Hall felt that Brenda Lee should be inducted along with The Ramones, Tom Petty and the Talking Heads. Now leave the 3 punk/ New wave groups. The Hall wanted to move ahead with that. So we will leave that alone. I don't know the history of Brenda Lee. I find she was more of a crooner. Clearly that could have been a spot for the Moody Blues or Yes or perhaps Chicago in 2002.

We will leave 2003 and 2004 classes alone. They weren't bad. Acts like The Righteous Brothers, The Police, Prince, Traffic, ZZ Top and George Harrison are all very deserving.

However, 2005 was a tricky one. That class was Buddy Guy, The Pretenders, The O Jays, Percy Sledge and U2. First of all the Hall started their rule of 5 in a class. Besides that why Percy Sledge? He had one hit in 1966. He may have credentials that I don't realize but why 2005? Easily Genesis could have been inducted in 2005 and Percy Sledge in 2010. Hey that's fair. So clearly there was bias against Prog. Percy Sledge could have been delayed in favor of Genesis or some other prog.

So I'm not saying anyone should have been left out really but some could have been delayed and others sooner. That explains some of the big gap. The Hall was not caring about prog.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.21.17 @ 14:15pm


Enig,

So you get the picture. So 2005 could have had Genesis. This would have satisfied the Hall with some delay. Even that would have been a 9 year gap for prog groups. Not as bad at what we got.

The 5 per Class was also bad. Genesis could have been added to the others that happened in 2005. Thats a good example. So I wont harp on the mistake. Its getting better Now. It is indeed. I mean so many key Classic groups went in that what's left for key older acts is Prog acts and all kinds of 80s. We can get some variety with other kinds of acts like The J. Geils Band, the Spinners, War and Cindi Lauper.

I just wanted to be clear that there are other kinds of acts to go in that are totally different also. As far as key acts Prog needs improvement but there is an up trend.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.21.17 @ 17:07pm


I don't always initialize a chat on here. Where is everybody? I guess people are busy. I have been very busy too so I understand.

Some of the presenters have just been announced for the 2017 Rock Hall ceremony.

Rush members Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson will induct Yes. That certainly makes sense. They are perfect to induct Yes.

Neil Young will induct Pearl Jam. That also makes a lot of sense. He is considered the Godfather of Grunge and had his left field side as far back as the 70s. Neil Y has embraced Pearl J since they started. I love Neil Young's music. I own a lot of his stuff.

Jackson Browne will induct Joan Baez. That is also a fine choice. They have worked together and are both important folk singers in History.

Presenters to induct ELO and Journey have NOT been announced yet. A good choice for inducting ELO would be Tom Petty. There are some other good choices. I think Mick Jones of Foreigner is good for inducting Journey. Perhaps some will respond to this Post. I am looking forward to that.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01.27.17 @ 08:48am


Neil always does a nice job inducting people; and it will be interesting to see what Alex Lifeson has to say since he used his own induction to do a bit of silly performance art rather than a speech. Jackson Browne makes some sense for Joan, though I think it would have been more interesting to have Rob Halford (and his participation at the event might well have prodded the committee to actually give Judas Priest a shot next year).

Tom Petty makes sense from a standpoint of having worked with Jeff Lynn in the Traveling Wilburys; but I can't see I hear much of a musical influence of ELO on Petty's own music - so it would be interesting to hear from somebody for whom the musical approach of ELO actually influenced their own path: Watne Coyne of The Flaming Lips would be an interesting choice - and much like Halford, he represents a band that has been snubbed so far by the nominating committee.

Journey seems like a good slot to have a contemporary pop artist on the bill to try to draw a few young viewers - which pop singers *don't* worship Steve Perry's vocals after all? Let's see somebody like Lady Gaga let loose on Don't Stop Believin' or Seperate Ways.

And of course there are plenty of modern rap stars who likely would be thrilled to induct 2Pac - just make sure it isn;t one that will make the induction speech all about himself (yeah, I'm looking at you Kanye!)

Posted by shrek on Friday, 01.27.17 @ 13:44pm


Jackson Browne is inducting Joan Baez, Alex lifeston and geddy Lee inducting Yes (makes the most sense). No surprise about Neil Young inducting Pearl Jam. Chris Cornell of Soundgarden or Michael stipe would have also been great choices for pearl jam too.

For ELO, Tom Petty seems to be the best choice given his history with Jeff Lynne. Joe Walsh has worked and respect Lynne. Paul McCartney or Ringo Starr could be great choices too along with Bob Dylan, who was also a Wilbury with Lynne and Petty. If George Harrison was alive, he would be the top choice.

For Journey, they can go a few ways. Carlos Santana, Sammy Hagar, Chad Smith, Jon Bon Jovi, Lou Gramm or Mick Jones. For younger artist maybe Lady Gaga, Rob Thomas or Chad Kroeger. If Steve Perry does show up, it will likely be Jon Bon Jovi. If Steve doesn't show, then definitely Carlos Santana or Sammy Hagar.

For 2pac, Dr. Dre or Snoop Dogg would make the most sense. But Kendrick Lamar could be too

For Nile Rodgers, David Bowie would have been the best choice if he was still alive. Others could be between Madonna, Duran Duran, Pharell Williams, Questlove, and Daft Punk

Posted by Kyle on Friday, 01.27.17 @ 14:00pm


Ben,

I agree that Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee should induct the members of Yes. Perhaps next year, they will induct either The Moody Blues, King Crimson, Procol Harum, Kansas, or Duran Duran? Although, I suspect that The Moody Blues will be inducted by Alex and Geddy in 2018.

If you really want real star power, a great choice to induct Electric Light Orchestra would be none other than Sir Paul McCartney, who was mostly responsible for The Beatles artier works.

As far as who should induct Nile Rodgers, I think that Duran Duran would be the best choice, then he can induct them during the following year.

They will probably choose Carlos Santana to induct Journey. after all, Journey was an offshoot of his band.

Jackson Brown makes sense when it comes to inducting Joan Baez. It also makes sense for Neil Young to induct Pearl Jam.

Wow, having several members of the greatest bands of all time: Rush, Yes, Duran Duran and The Beatles sharing the same stage together would definitely be quite amazing.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01.27.17 @ 15:00pm


I'd like to see Brian May induct Nile Rodgers - a world renowned guitarist with unquestionable Rock and Roll street cred, who admits to freely lifting riffs from Chic - just to reinforce how truly short sighted and petty it is for the voters to have passed up on inducting Chic all of these years.

Posted by shrek on Friday, 01.27.17 @ 18:43pm


Well those were Nice responses to the Presenters announced. As far as ELO. I will mull that over. It is true that there isnt much of ELO'S influence in Petty's music but Petty and ELO have worked together a lot. Paul McCartney makes a lot of sense.

It not Mick Jones of Foreigner then Rob Thomas makes sense for inducting Journey. After all Rob T inducted Chicago last year. He seems to fit in with 70s and 80s acts.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01.27.17 @ 19:13pm


I think Paul McCartney should induct ELO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 01.28.17 @ 07:40am


I have been thinking about a presenter for ELO. I will make a correction. PETTY AND JEFF LYNNE have worked together a lot. Petty never worked with the whole group of ELO.

Rick, what are your thoughts on a Presenter for ELO? You are the biggest expert of ELO on this site as far as I can tell. You may know of more people who woul d fit as a Presenter of ELO. There is Paul McCartney but besides him or Tom Petty who is there. There must be others but I just cant think of them.

You may also have some thoughts on A presenter for Journey. Your input on ELO for sure would be up your alley.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.28.17 @ 10:54am


Presenter possibilities...

Electric Light Orchestra

Paul McCartney
Ringo Starr
Tom Petty
Joe Walsh
Rick Nielsen
David Grohl
Billy Joel
Elton John
Dhani Harrison
Billy Corgan

Journey

Carlos Santana

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 01.28.17 @ 12:12pm


^ ELO

Randy Newman

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 01.28.17 @ 12:17pm


Rick,

Good response there. Billy Joel and Elton John both make a lot of sense. All of them on the list make sense. Billy Corgan makes sense if he grew up with ELO. You may know more about that. You know what Dhani Harrison makes a lot of sense. The son of George may be very likely. George would have been the best choice to induct ELO. Thank you Rick.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.28.17 @ 16:03pm


My early predictions for the 2018 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominees(if there are 19 nominees again next year just like this year)
Carole King
The Cure
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
Devo
Dr.Dre
Gram Parsons
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Mariah Carey
Nine Inch Nails
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Roxy Music
Sade
Sting
T.Rex
Tina Turner
Whitney Houston
I believe they`ll give both Janet Jackson and The Cars a year off the ballot and I also believe they`ll pull back from nominating major Classic Rock acts/bands next year in favor of other eras and genres

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01.28.17 @ 21:25pm


7 of these acts are on my list. I dont think ones like Judas Priest, Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston would happen right Now. The Hall wants to push Janet J. as far as Pop goes. Its NOT because those acts are Pop. In the case of Judas Priest I thought they had a good chance but some friends pointed out that a band like that may NOT be likely NOW due the image they present to more traditional People in the Hall. I have noticed that Hard Rock not actual Metal acts have been nominated so far. The only act actually Metal nomimated was Black Sabbath. They date back to early 70s. Bon Jovi, Deep Purple and Cheap Trick have all been nomimated. So Def Leppard is very likely.

I thought there would be less Classic Rock this year. There was a bunch on the Ballot. I think there is too much demand to have too few of those. I do think the Cure have a very good chance at the same time though. 80s alt is building up more demand.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 01.29.17 @ 09:33am


It depends what yu call Classic Rock. Is Def Leppard considered Classic Rock or just 80s Hard Rock? I dont normally think of them as Classic Rock. 60s and 70s Rock is Classic Rock. I like Def Leppard but I was wondering about genres.

It may run about the same as this year for Classic Rock next year due to the backlog. But the Hall may also deal a lot with the 80s back log. Richie, I like your choices of Devo, Sade and Tina Turner. I only have Tina T on my list but Devo and SADE make sense. Im not a big DEVO fan but they had some impact in the early and mid 80s. I remember their unusual version of Satisfaction. It wasnt my thing but it was a trendsetting tune by Devo around 1980. Sade is a good choice.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 01.29.17 @ 12:33pm


Ben,

Due to the buzz surrounding the inductions of Yes and Electric Light Orchestra this year, I would not be surprised to see the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame finally jump on the prog bandwagon. I expect even more prog and prog adjacent artists to be nominated later this year. I would not be surprised to see first time nominations for The Moody Blues, King Crimson and Duran Duran, either. I think that Duran Duran's coming out as a "prog" band will definitely help them in the long run.

Not unlike Journey, Foreigner, or Boston, both Sade and Carly Simon have utilized orchestration in their works, therefore they are also, prog adjacent.

Procol Harum has been nominated previously and I would not be surprised to see them return to the ballot once again. Although it calls for some speculation, Kansas could also garner a nomination as an American "prog" band.

Now a nomination for Emerson, Lake & Palmer is also quite possible due to the recent passings of both Greg Lake and Keith Emerson. However, I think that the Rock Hall will want to nominate King Crimson, instead.

If any heavy metal bands appear on the next ballot, then I think that Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Motörhead are probably the most likely nominees. It is also quite possible that Twisted Sister and Def Leppard could appear on the nomination ballot in the not too distant future.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 01.29.17 @ 12:39pm


Ben wrote:

Rick,

Good response there. Billy Joel and Elton John both make a lot of sense. All of them on the list make sense. Billy Corgan makes sense if he grew up with ELO. You may know more about that. You know what Dhani Harrison makes a lot of sense. The son of George may be very likely. George would have been the best choice to induct ELO. Thank you Rick.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.28.17 @ 16:03pm


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Thank you Ben!

Michael Stipe is another possibility, I can hear it now, R.E.M. inducts E.L.O.

8-)

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 01.30.17 @ 00:07am


Rick,

Michael Stipe is another good choice. In gis case I want to know if he was an ELO fan about 40 years ago. It is very possible. You may know that backround. Let me know. Its good hearing from you. I know you are excited about the induction.

I have some experience with ELO albums by the way. I owned Face the Music, New World Record and Out of the Blue on Vinyl about 35 years ago. I 15- 16 years old at the time. It was just my Birthday. I just turned 52. So clearly I can remember hearing their albums. I have downloaded most of their hits in the last 3 years. I just downloaded Half their album New World Record. I love tunes like the Mission.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.30.17 @ 07:36am


Enig,

You need to look at the Previously Considered list on this Site. It shows who the Hall is somewhat interested in. Emerson, Lake and Palmer are previously considered but King Crimson is NOT yet. Thus I predict ELP for next year due to the recent passings of Keith Emerson and Greg Lake. This would also pay homage to both since Keith Emerson was not in King Crimson.

Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Motorhead are probably the most likely nominees for Heavy Metal. I predicted both Judas Priest and Motorhead this year. Neither one happened. SO you know what I rethought it out and talked to some friend who like who like Metal like Vito. The Hall committee is still more traditional right NOW still. It is true that Tom Morello is on the committee but many more are still much older than him. They may be viewed with too Violent an image. SO Hard Rock acts like Bon Jovi,Deep Purple, Cheap Trick have been nominated. Next year I predict Def Leppard because they are an accessible Hard Rock band like the others nominated.

At the same time I think there is a buzz for Kraftwerk. I know they are a notable Electronic act. They keep getting nominated. The Cure keep popping every Now and then. They have a few "New wave" or 80s alt anthems like In Between Days and Love Song. I am NOT a Fan but they were notable. I would love to see the Replacements return to a ballot. Duran Duran should come up sooner or later.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.30.17 @ 15:17pm


How about Randy Jackson to induct Journey? Great name recognition from his run as a judge of American Idol; and he actually recorded with the band in the mid-80s for their Raised On Radio album.

Posted by shrek on Monday, 01.30.17 @ 17:02pm


I figure Journey will be inducted by Jon Bon Jovi. For all Bon Jovi's supposed hair metal trappings they sound much more like like the late '70s/early '80s arena rock of Journey/Foreigner/Eddie Money/Bryan Adams, etc... than they do the other hair metal bands to me. They basically sound like Springsteen meets Journey, so this seems obvious to me.

ELO I have to imagine Tom Petty because of Lynne's production of Full Moon Fever and their status as basically the main creative forces of the Traveling Wilburys. Since the equally obvious Dylan will probably be brought in for Baez, that would allow for a reunion of the 3 living Wilburys. You know they're probably going to do that.

Nile Rodgers would probably be Daft Punk but I'd much rather they use some Chic bandmates since they continued to snub them. Pearl Jam would probably get Neil Young because of Mirror Ball and they'd probably go for Kanye for 2Pac because he is the biggest rap star now.

I expect them to choose the obvious every time, and usually that's what they'd do. But to me the Journey-Bon Jovi thing seems obvious since everything about their careers seems identical to me except that Journey had better musicianship.

However, I must disagree with Philip on the Journey thread that "Glee" is what brought them back to prominence. It was "The Sopranos", but Gandolfini died so obviously he couldn't induct them.

Posted by Sean on Monday, 01.30.17 @ 19:15pm


Sean, your suggestion for Nile Rodgers is purely cruel and sadistic. It's further driving the blade into those members to ask them to induct their cherry-picked member. No, that's just plain wrong. It'll be a crony or someone who's benefitted from Nile at the controls as an producer independent from Chic.

I like Tom Petty for ELO. Don't know if it'll happen.

Roy's suggestions for Journey are ridiculous. Santana really only has connection with Gregg Rolie. Bon Jovi as a hair metal artist is a considerably different animal than arena rock Journey, unless Jon was influenced by them.

I'm still thinking either Kid Rock for the lowest common denominator factor, or Matthew Morrison and Lea Michele because of what "Glee" did to bring Journey back into the American consciousness.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 01.30.17 @ 23:54pm


Philip wrote:

Roy's suggestions for Journey are ridiculous. Santana really only has connection with Gregg Rolie.

You forgot Neal Schon.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.31.17 @ 00:15am


It's still a tenuous-at-best connection, Roy. One I would not use seriously.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 01.31.17 @ 00:38am


Ben,

I have been looking at the Rock Hall's biography pages; King Crimson has been mentioned as an influence on both the Rush and Yes biographies pages. The Moody Blues have only been mentioned on the Genesis page, however. I really think that the next major progressive rock artists which the Nominating Committee will put forward are: The Moody Blues, King Crimson and Procol Harum. I also think that 2018 will be the year that Duran Duran finally gets inducted.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 01.31.17 @ 00:49am


Enig,
I just Double checked the Previously considered List. That is a good guide. King Crimson has never been previously considered. Emerson, Lake and Palmer are on this. The Moody Blues and Procul Harum are. This list includes all nominees that lost and acts that got a few votes.

So based on the previously considered list I really think the next major progressive rock artists put forward will be the Moody Blues, Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Procul Harum.

I need to check it myself for Def Leppard and Duran Duran among others.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01.31.17 @ 08:23am


Enig,

I just checked the Previously considered List. Duran Duran was actually NOT on this list. However, Def Leppard, Judas Priest, Kate Bush, Sade and the Smiths have all been previously considered. I am aware that the Smiths have been nominated a couple times. The others have Not.

I own stuff by all the acts above except Kate Bush. She is a good act from England. Hounds of Love is a good album. I should get that.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01.31.17 @ 08:31am


"Sean, your suggestion for Nile Rodgers is purely cruel and sadistic."

Yeah, you're right. I was just thinking of it the other way where if the other band members were on stage they would at least be there rather than completely ignored and they might be able to perform (whereas if Chic is never inducted which is now likely the other members would get no recognition at all), but yes, on second thought, it would be a slap in the face. I guess Daft Punk would be the best choice.

But I still disagree about Journey and Bon Jovi. Forget genre classifications. Bon Jovi SOUNDS more like Journey than they sound like Van Halen, Guns 'N Roses, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, or Poison. Bon Jovi is I think placed in hair metal instead of arena rock based on peak era, not sound. "Don't Stop Believin'" does seem like a major influence on "Livin' on a Prayer", and Bon Jovi was less sexist/more pompous/more mock inspirational than those other bands, which is why I think they fit in arena rock better (they had a glam influence on their image, but not their sound IMO.) Similar to how bands like Soul Asylum and the Goo Goo Dolls were thrown into post-grunge just because of peak era even though they had really nothing to do with grunge and were R.E.M./Replacements followers...

Posted by Sean on Tuesday, 01.31.17 @ 18:33pm


Enig,

RIP John Wetton. So another Prog hero has left us. I said I dont know King Crimson very well. I have known In the Court of the Crimson King and 20th Century Schitzoid Man. I also know Starless from the mid 70s. I dont know them veryy well. I dont know them very Well.

I know Emerson,Lake and Palmer much better. I have owned many albums from ELP. I was saying a lot about Previously considered. I believe All acts nominated are first Previously considered. This passing should make King Crimson get considered. I still think ELP are more likely on 2018 Ballot due to this Previously considered list. Yes have been inducted due to greater fame factored it.

Now the thing is all these prog musicians are passing before being inducted in the Hall because the Hall hasn't cared. Acts like Brenda Lee and Abba have been inducted. The Moody Blues, ELP and King Crimson are still waiting. Thats why this is an issue Now. Somehow it was decided that Abba should be inducted faster than prog acts. Just to be fair it could have been King Crimson in 2010. And Abba in 2018. So if Abba really are necessary they could have waited. THis way Abba would still be inducted. There I go with thsoe mistakes again.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02.1.17 @ 11:30am


Ben,

I don't know if I misunderstood what you said about Black Sabbath being nominated, but they were already inducted a while ago.

Also you said something about if Def Leppard is really considered classic rock or 80s hard rock if I am quoting you correctly. It's both. They are very much a hard rock band but their music is now considered classic. When I was really young I thought classic rock was its own type of music like metal, rap, blues etc. But if you listen to a station like wbab or q1043 , they say they play classic rock and play everything old from the who to zeppelin to motley crue to floyd to skid row, Springsteen and the Beatles. Basically the music world considers classic rock to mean anything old but classic.

Posted by Vito on Wednesday, 02.1.17 @ 20:47pm


I haven't read all the recent posts about who we should all think about who's inducting whom - but I do know, my money's on Kendrick Lamar for inducting 2Pac. While 2Pac has inspired countless rappers, it was Lamar who became influenced heavily after appearing in one of 2Pac's videos when he was young. They both grew up in Compton, different generations. And as we hopefully know, Lamar is arguably the biggest star in rap/hip-hop right now. Even Prince said a year ago in an interview that Lamar was very important in music.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 02.1.17 @ 23:52pm


Vito,

Yeah. you misunderstood me about Black Sabbath. Its my fault. I was discussing nominations NOT inductions. I do that sometimes to make points about those nominated. So I will restate that. The only act actually noninated was Black Sabbath. They were nominated about 8 times. They were inducted in 2006. The 2006 Class was Miles Davis, Black Sabbath, Blondie, Sex Pistols and Lynyrd Skynyrd. I watched that ceremony on VH1 in 2006. I know alll the ceremonies very well.

Also I will clarify about Def Leppard. I said it depends what you consider Classic Rock. I started listening heavily to Rock in 1978. There was NO label Classic Rock yet really. I am 10 years older. The most key Rock stations during the 80s played what became known as Classic Rock as new 80s Rock. Classic Rock was the 60s and 70s Rock. Def Leppard and Bon Jovi were called 80s Rock into the 90s. So I wanted to know if Def Leppard are considered Classic Rock. A lot of old Voters may have the original definition of it from 30 years ago.



Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02.2.17 @ 07:59am


Vito,

A correction. The only Metal act actually nominated was Black Sabbath. They were nominated 8 times. They were inducted in 2006. I watched that ceremony on VH1. Bon Jovi, Deep Purple and Cheap Trick have all been nonimated. Deep Purple and Cheap Trick were inducted in 2016.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02.2.17 @ 08:18am


"The only act actually Metal nomimated was Black Sabbath."

I flubbed the Chic discussion for sure, but huh?

I think Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, METALLICA, and Van Halen definitely count as metal, and all have been inducted.

AC/DC, Aerosmith, Guns 'N Roses, KISS, and Rush are more borderline but I'd call them metal too.

Posted by Sean on Thursday, 02.2.17 @ 17:46pm


Actually I did flub that. I forgot about Metallica in 2009. Wow. I did. There was Black Sabbath and Metallica.

I will say that wayyy back in 1973 Led Zeppelin were regarded has the greatest Hard rock Band. Friends who went to concerts in 73 told me. I love my Zep. I love Deep Purple and Van Halen. They are also regarded as Hard Rock. However they are roots of Metal. That is definitely true. I wont argue this tooo much. The first 2 albums from Van Halen I recall being dubbed as Metal in the late 70s. I don't know if we can call 5150 Metal however. Can we say these acts are mainstream Metal? My friend was saying that. Vito this is a great time to jump in.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02.2.17 @ 18:47pm


Hello Sean,

You're right Kiss , Rush , GNR , Aerosmith are borderline but I'd say much more hard rock than metal. With the exception of Rush they all had a what became a very metal image but their music is more hard rock. Kiss actually I'd have to say they were definitely hard rock in the 70's but metal for sure in the 80's and early to mid 90's. Rush is really just hard rock and prog.

I have to disagree that Purple, Zeppelin and Van Halen (with Sammy at least) were metal. Purple & Zep were hard rock'in bands who influenced what would become metal, except for Sabbath who just invented metal themselves around the same time the other two came out.

I absolutely think EVH is a metal guitarist even on a lot of solos he did with Sammy. Mainly though I think the albums with DLR can be considered metal, MAYBE borderline metal/hard rock, I could go either way.

Sometimes I listen to AC/DC and think they could be considered borderline metal/hard rock but then I realize that they are so metal all around its insane! Metallica of course, my personal favorite of all time, lets put it this way they have metal in their name!

I don't know if you've ever seen the I think it was a 5 part series on VH1 Classic "Metal Evolution". It was a great history of metal/hard rock. It basically starts from the beginning of music in general and goes through all the time periods/genres up to NUmetal. Page & Plant refused to be interviewed because they hate being put in the category of being an influence to metal, they should just do the interviews anyway.

Posted by Vito on Thursday, 02.2.17 @ 21:45pm


Enig,

I read some of your posts in the King Crimson section. John Wetton will be missed. I know In the Court of the Crimson King. So I read that you said that logistics of the band is complicated with so many members that have come and gone. That may be why they have NOT been previously considered.

Emerson, Lake and Palmer have been previously considered. They are much easier to induct. There is only 3 members. Sadly there is only one member left NOW. There is a buzz on Prog for the Hall so a sympathy vote for ELP may be coming for 2018. This is not to say King Crimson wont get a chance.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02.3.17 @ 06:51am


Vito,

Here is the post I wanted to make. What I wanted to say is I agree that mainstream Hard Rock bands will probably be nominated before actual Metal bands are. SO such acts as Def Leppard,Bon Jovi and Foreigner I would think will be nominated first. Metal bands like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead and Twisted Sister will probably be nominated in a few years.

The leaders of the Hall are more traditional. They are big fans of 60s and 70s Rock. Going beyond that they would allow for Mainstream Hard rock acts rather easily. I am a big fan of 60s and 70s Rock but also 80s Rock. I had a Hard Rock/Metal phase for a little while back in the 80s. Several friends were big on Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and other 80s Metal bands. I like some Metal stuff but I'm Not an expert. I am into a large variety of music.

So to be objective, favs of mine like Steely Dan, Traffic, REM, Jeff Beck and Genesis were inducted some years back. Other favs like Heart, Chicago, D Steve Miller and Yes are now Inducted. I do also like some Hard Rock and Metal. Those are slower to be nominated and inducted. So I will say Def Leppard and Bon Jovi are coming to ballots soon.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02.3.17 @ 11:17am


Ben I agree that's the way its gonna be for a long time. Everyone's time will come eventually. I do like some Traffic, Rem and Jeff Beck. The only Rid Stewart stuff I like is the Jeff Beck stuff. Not really a Genesis or Steely Dan fan except a couple songs but they both deserved the honors.

Posted by Vito on Friday, 02.3.17 @ 16:35pm


It's the Journey and Pearl Jam combination that got the 2017 Rock Hall induction ceremony sold out. Is this year's venue larger or smaller than last year's? A lot of empty seats last year.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02.3.17 @ 20:00pm


Roy,

On this point. I will respectfully disagree with you.


Although this calls for a great deal of speculation on my part:

I think that one of the chief reasons that the tickets are sold out this year, compared with last year, is primarily due to two members of Rush inducting Yes (Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson). Their massive fanbase is clamoring for anything that even remotely has anything to do with Rush on any level whatsoever, and perhaps most things having to do with "prog" in general.

Also, it could be the speculation regarding who may induct "E.L.O.," maybe Sir Paul McCartney? This perhaps is probably foremost on many people's minds.

Another reason may be the potential probability that the members of Duran Duran could possibly induct Chic is also another possibility.

As far as Joan Baez's induction is concerned, there is also a possibility that this could definitely add to the festivities, namely that Bob Dylan could appear?

Although, Journey and Pearl Jam have large fan bases, I really do not think that they are the chief reasons for the tickets being sold out.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02.4.17 @ 13:40pm


Sean,

I will have to respectfully disagree with you, since I have said this many times before, "Rush is not. Rush has never been and will never be a heavy metal band, period." Rush has always been an inventive, thinking man's "art rock," or "progressive rock" band, instead.

As far as Rush being labeled as a "hard rock" band is concerned, yes that was certainly a valid point during the early years, but they have for the most part, been a "progressive rock" band during the majority of their existence. In fact, there are probably more softer rock songs in Rush's repertoire than they are credited for having. Even in their earliest days, I would hardly call, 'Lakeside Park,' or 'Panacea' from "Caress Of Steel," or 'Discovery,' or 'Tears' from "2112," hard rock songs. During their Middle period, 'Madrigal,' from "A Farewell To Kings" and 'Different Strings' from "Permanent Waves" represent softer rock, in my honest opinion. During their Early Modern and Middle Modern Periods, most of their songs are much softer, with "Hold Your Fire," "Presto" and "Roll The Bones" probably having the greatest percentage of their softer songs, overall. Even during their Late Modern period, some songs from "Vapor Trails," "Snakes & Arrows" and "Clockwork Angels," especially 'Faithless,' 'Halo Effect' and 'The Garden' illustrate this beautifully.

Here is a list of Rush's softer songs:

FLY BY NIGHT

Making Memories
Fly By Night

CARESS Of STEEL

Lakeside Park
Panacea from 'The Fountain Of Lamneth"

2112

Tears
Discovery from "2112"

A FAREWELL TO KINGS

Madrigal
Closer To The Heart
much of Xanadu

HEMISPHERES

'The Sphere' from "Hemispheres"

PERMANENT WAVES

Different Strings

SIGNALS

Losing It
Chemistry
Countdown
Digital Man
New World Man

GRACE UNDER PRESSURE

Afterimage
Red Lenses


POWER WINDOWS

Grand Designs
Territories
Emotion Detector
Marathon
Middletown Dreams
Mystic Rhythms

HOLD YOUR FIRE

Time Stand Still
Open Secrets
Second Nature
Prime Mover
Tai Shan
High Water

PRESTO

Presto
Anagram (for Mongo)
Hand Over Fist
Available Light

ROLL THE BONES

Bravado
Roll The Bones
Where's My Thing
The Big Wheel
Heresy
Ghost Of A Chance
Neurotica
You Bet Your Life

COUNTERPARTS

Nobody's Hero
Cold Fire
Leave That Thing Alone
Everyday Glory

TEST FOR ECHO

The Colour Of Right
Totem
Limbo
Resist
Carve Away The Stone

VAPOR TRAILS

How It Is
Ceiling Unlimited
Ghost Rider

SNAKES & ARROWS

The Larger Bowl (A Pantoum)
Hope
Faithless
Bravest Face
Good News First
We Hold On

CLOCKWORK ANGELS

Halo Effect
The Wreckers
The Garden








Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02.4.17 @ 14:35pm


I would label Rush as one of the first prog-metal bands. They were clearly one of the biggest influences on the main prog-metal movement of the late '80s/early '90s (Queensryche, Dream Theater, and so on.) I don't think that's dissing them, but I think their guitar riffs are too hard for them to fit comfortably with Genesis, Yes, or ELP. I think prog and metal would both be valid labels for them.

Okay, not all their songs are metal, but Led Zeppelin had "Thank You", Black Sabbath had "Changes", Metallica had "Nothing Else Matters". Does that make them not metal bands? I even said Rush was borderline and could be debated, but I think it's hardly dissing them to put them there. In fact, they have a much better argument as prog-metal fusion innovators (although even Uriah Heep and King Crimson may beat them there) than they do prog or metal innovators.

Posted by Sean on Saturday, 02.4.17 @ 15:27pm


Enig,

I agree with you on the chief reasons The tickets sold out this year. 2 members of Rush inducting Yes has something to do with it. It Draws fans of prog in general.

The speculation of Paul McCartney inducting ELO is a big draw for sure. It is on people's minds.

As far as Joan Baez's induction the possibiity that Bob Dylan could appear is another thing to increase ticket sales.

This seems to be shaping up to an All star show. Last year Deep Purple were inducted by a couple guys from Metallica. That was a plus but Black Keys were NOT a good match for inducting Steve Miller. Another celebrity of the time like Elton John would have been better or someone like John Popper of Blues Traveller would have worked. There was a lot of fighting amongst acts like Chicago quarreling with Peter Cetera who refused to show. It is shaping up as strong show this year.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02.4.17 @ 16:17pm


The 2016 and 2017 induction ceremonies, both at Barclays in New York. 19,000 seats.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02.4.17 @ 18:51pm


Ben,

Thank you for agreeing with me.

Sean,

Here are two of the several primary reasons why Rush is not/ was not and has never been a "heavy metal" band:

1. Rush does not employ a twin guitar attack. They only have one guitarist, one bassist and one drummer.

2. Rush's songs do not demean women, nor portray them solely as sexual objects.

In my honest opinion, both Yes and King Crimson are much heavier than Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02.5.17 @ 02:50am


Sean, nobody said you were dissing Rush by calling them a metal band. But they really just aren't, I respect your opinion though.

Posted by Vito on Sunday, 02.5.17 @ 13:28pm


Enig,

Having twin guitar attack isn't just something done by metal bands, Thin Lizzy and Foreigner have two guitarists. And lots of non metal bands having songs about women like that they just used more subliminal lyrics, but I'll agree it was worst with the 80s rock bands.

Posted by Vito on Sunday, 02.5.17 @ 13:35pm


Vito,

Why dont you Give a list of predictions for 2018 unless you would rather wait until August. Thats when there is lots of prediction lists for the next Year. Many on here do that. I gave one along with several others. I guess Yours will have Def Leppard on it and perhaps the Moody Blues like mine. Its up to you. My list is not finalized..Most arent finalized. I always take a break from the site in May or June until late in the summer.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02.5.17 @ 14:19pm


I'll give it a shot :

LL Cool J
Notorious BIG
Soundgarden
Alice in Chains
Def Lep
Emerson Lake Palmer
Cure
Cars
Duran Duran
Carole King
Mary J Blige
Wynonna Judd
Janet Jackson
Joe Cocker
Sade
Willie Nelson
Mariah Carey

A realistic induction list of the above were actually all the nominees for 2017-2018

Duran Duran
Def Lep
Carole King
Joe Cocker
LL Cool J
Soundgarden
ELP

Posted by Vito on Sunday, 02.5.17 @ 15:04pm


hey guys who do you see getting inducted into the Rock Hall next year in Cleveland

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02.5.17 @ 18:09pm


Vito,

That is a nice list. I have several on mine. People know that I always have the Moody Blues on my lists. My list is Not cinal. Im considering Devo,The Cars, Duran Duran and Sade but I havent dedided yet. Mariah Carey may end up on a ballot but after Janet J is taken care of. I mean they have had Janet J and Chaka Khan at the same time. I have Tina Turner on my list. Janet J and Tina Turner I think leaves Mariah out.

I totally agree with ELP. I am pretty sure Enig digs that although he seems to be predicting King Crimson. There is stronger support for ELP I think. ELP is certainly a keeper for my list. You got a great list.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02.5.17 @ 19:12pm


E017-2018 could be the year Huey Lewis & The News receives a nomination. The 80's hit machine and workmanlike band has plenty of fans young and old. I think they have a shot in 2017. What do you think? KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 02.7.17 @ 02:00am


King,

Interesting point with Huey Lewis & the News. I think they will wait with that them. They have a small shot in 2017. I will have to check the Previously considered list. I tried chatting with Enig about that. I think the Hall uses acts Previously considered. The 80s is am era the Hall needs to catch up on. The Hall seems to be considering A combo of 80s alt and Straight Pop. So thus Janet J., Chaka Khan, Tina Turner as well as the Cure and the Smiths are getting on ballots first. Then Again Journey was just inducted. So Huey Lewis is possible next year.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02.7.17 @ 10:13am


King,

I checked out the previously considered list. Unfortunately Huey Lewis & the News are not on it. However, others like The Commodores, Roxy Music, Sade and Steve Winwood. I believe you have to be on this list first to be nominated.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02.7.17 @ 12:42pm


Ben,

No you don't. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any newly eligibles on the ballot ever. Also, in this class, Joan Baez had never been on the Previously Considered list, and got nominated.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 02.7.17 @ 22:33pm


Philip,

You know what I totally flubbed something again. I was NOT thinking of that logic. You are absolutely right. There would never be any newly eligibles on the ballot ever. Guns n' Roses,Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam, 2 Pac, Rage Against the Machine and Dave Matthews would not be possible. I am correcting myself. Rage Against the Machine are on my prediction list for next year. Dave Matthews is eligible in 2018 for nomination in time for the 2019 ceremony.

Joan Baez is on the previously considered list but that doesn't prove she was before. It could be a mistake where it is put in after the fact. So that means Huey Lewis & the News can be on a ballot next year. So FORGET the whole thing.

BTW I like Pearl Jam and Dave Matthews so it was clearly my mistake. Alright then. We move on. My mistake.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02.8.17 @ 05:40am


http://observer.com/2016/12/2017-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees/

The 2017 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees Are an Insult

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02.12.17 @ 01:38am


Roy,

I find those disparaging comments written by Tim Sommer of The Observer to be quite inappropriate. For nearly four decades, we had to be bombarded by the nonsense of the short lived punk rock movement. Now that prog is rightfully taking it's place, finally, in the pantheon of Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, some people are upset. Well, get over it, we had to deal with your b.s. for nearly four decades and we are sick and tired of it. So, you don't like the idea that Rush was deservedly inducted nearly four years ago and that now Yes has finally received this long overdue honor. Oh well, it may come as some surprise that not everybody liked glam rock and that not everybody had listened to Sweet, or T. Rex, but that's not the only thing. As far as synthesizers are concerned, didn't Tangerine Dream precede Kraftwerk by quite a few years. Do you see Edgar Froese or Klaus Schulze, Christopher Franke and Peter Baumann, being nominated for the Rock Hall? No, you don't. While I do agree that Kate Bush deserves to be inducted, I also think that Carly Simon should precede her.

When mentioning bands that came from Britain that were formed in the late seventies, you had failed to mention, Duran Duran, or are they too progressive for you?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02.12.17 @ 16:12pm


Roy,

I find those disparaging comments written by Tim Sommer of The Observer to be quite inappropriate. For nearly four decades, we had to be bombarded by the nonsense of the short-lived punk rock movement. Now that prog is rightfully taking it's place, finally, in the pantheon of Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, some people are upset. Well, get over it, we had to deal with your b.s. for nearly four decades and we are sick and tired of it. So, you don't like the idea that Rush was deservedly inducted nearly four years ago and that now Yes has finally received this long overdue honor. Regarding your arrogant statement about Kansas, well that does not work for me, either. Oh well, it may come as some surprise that not everybody liked glam rock and that not everybody had listened to Sweet, or T. Rex, but that's not the only thing. Roxy Music was much more artistic, so I would definitely agree that they also deserve a nomination.

As far as synthesizers are concerned, didn't Tangerine Dream precede Kraftwerk by quite a few years. Do you see Edgar Froese, or Klaus Schulze, Christopher Franke and Peter Baumann, being nominated for the Rock Hall? No, you do not. While I do agree that Kate Bush deserves to be inducted, I also think that Carly Simon should precede her.

When mentioning bands that came from Britain that were formed in the late seventies, you had failed to mention, Duran Duran, or are they perhaps, too progressive for you?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02.12.17 @ 16:27pm


Enig,

I do agree those comments of Tim Sommer of the Observer were inappropriate. We had to be bombarded by the short lived Punk rock movement. I will fall shot of calling it nonsense. I dont want to call any music nonsense. I am NOT a big punk rock fan though. I was busy starting to listen to Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP and some ELO as well as Eric Clapton along with hundreds of other artists. Hey I love my blues rock too. I was clearly not in tune with the Punk rock movement when it was going on. I liked some Clash later on.

I was also Not too big on Glam rock. I liked some Mott the Hoople who weren't even mentioned in his article along with David Bowie and some tunes from Sweet. I am NOT into excessive stuff from any of those. David Bowie is a legend that is missed. The guy is just as bad as Rolling Stone that he is criticizing. Punk rock has been represented several times in the last 15 years. Prog has certainly NOT been represented enough. I had a great thrill listening to Close to the Edge as a teenager. It seems fair to induct Yes. Finally they are Now.

I like some stuff from Duran Duran and also XTC. Those are British acts of the 80s. He ignored those.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02.13.17 @ 13:00pm


Ben,

I had needed to amend that previous post, slightly.

Roy,

I find those disparaging comments written by Tim Sommer of The Observer to be quite inappropriate. For nearly four decades, we had to be bombarded by the nonsense of the short-lived punk rock movement. Now that prog is rightfully taking it's place, finally, in the pantheon of Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, some people are upset. Well, get over it, we had to deal with your b.s. about the greatness of punk rock, for nearly four decades and we are definitely sick and tired of it.

So, I guess that you do not like the idea that Rush had been deservedly inducted nearly four years ago and that now Yes has finally received this long overdue honor. Even better is the idea that two members of Rush will be inducting Yes. That must really cause you a great deal of anguish.

Regarding your arrogant statement about Kansas being unnecessary, once you had discovered the Sex Pistols, well that definitely does not work for me, either. After all, Kansas was a symphonic progressive rock group from the United States.

Oh well, it must also come as some surprise that not everybody had liked glam rock and that not everybody had listened to Sweet, or T. Rex, but that's not the only thing.

On the other hand, Roxy Music was much more artistic, actually they were an "art rock" band, so I would definitely agree that they also deserve a nomination.

As far as synthesizers are concerned, did not Tangerine Dream precede Kraftwerk by quite a few years. Do you see Edgar Froese, or Klaus Schulze, Christopher Franke and Peter Baumann, being nominated for the Rock Hall? No, you do not.

While I do agree that Kate Bush deserves to be inducted, I also think that Carly Simon should precede her.

When mentioning bands that came from Britain that were formed in the late seventies, you had failed to mention, Duran Duran and XTC, or are they perhaps, too progressive for you?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02.18.17 @ 20:44pm


Ben,

Ultimately, I think that there is still a huge chasm between those individuals who appreciate "prog" and those who appreciate punk. It was much easier for the record companies to promote numerous punk acts. The number of prog acts, in comparison, was extremely limited. New Wave is an umbrella term used by the music industry to describe those bands which had come after the advent of punk.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02.18.17 @ 21:39pm


Enig,

I saw the film "20th Century Women" which is set in 1979. From what I gather, it was pretty much always by design to market punk and art rock (which you deem to be prog adjacent) as being diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive in fan bases. Do you think that has any merit and may have any bearing on the conversation regarding punk and prog today?

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 02.18.17 @ 21:55pm


Enig,

I agree with you once again. There is a huge chasm between Prog fans and Punk fans. Punk has been dealt with by the Hall. I dont take anything away from that. It is perfectly fine that The Clash and Patti Smith were inducted in the Hall as well as the Sex Pistols. I am Not a fan of these but they had their place in Rock History. I like some tunes by the Clash.

However, There is no reason that Prog had to be so ignored. I had an upbringing of all kinds of Rock but NOT Punk too much at all. The bias and the limited # of inductees each year caused this. Clearly the Punk bands could have been inducted but also great Prog acts like Rush, Yes and the Moody Blues over 10 years ago. As you say forget the mistakes of the Past. Rush were inducted in 2013 and Yes this year in 2017.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02.20.17 @ 07:28am


Philip,

There were always certain "art rock" bands such as The Velvet Underground, who were considered acceptable. I think that the punks really had their issues with "progressive rock" instead, due to it's inherit complexity.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 02.22.17 @ 09:04am


Ben,

Thank you for agreeing with me. I think that there is still a wide gulf between the punk rockers and the "prog" aficionados.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 02.22.17 @ 09:12am


Enig,

Yes there is still a wide gulf between Punk Rockers and prog aficionados. I am not true Prog aficionado but I am much closer to that. A lesser known Prog act I like is Nektar. So I know my share of the Prog genre. Even in 200 years Nektar will not be in the Hall but I just figure you know them.

Soo anyway I would say Now that the Hall will catch up on big Prog acts like the Moody Blues and ELP. I do think so.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02.22.17 @ 13:10pm




Songwriters Hall Of Fame Announces 2017 Inductees

http://songhall.org/news/entry/songwriters_hall_of_fame_announces_2017_inductees

01. Peter Cetera / Robert Lamm / James Pankow (Chicago)
02. Kenneth “Babyface” Edmonds
03. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
04. Shawn “Jay Z” Carter
05. Max Martin
06. Berry Gordy

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02.22.17 @ 19:31pm


Enig,

Using VU as an example is a bit inexact. For starters, Lou Reed has a bit of a cache with the punk rock crowd. Second, I don't think art rock was necessarily recognized as a movement back in the late 60's. The movie I refer to epitomized the difference by pitting the hardcore Black Flag against Talking Heads.

Although I disagree with your complexity argument, you do remind me of another key aspect. In the movie, the virtue of punk in other artists like the Raincoats was described as a band whose passion exceeded their talent, and that's what made them so listenable. While I'm not even a dilettante when it comes to prog, it does strike me that perhaps a liability of said complexity was the possibility of sounding dispassionate. I don't think that's necessarily true of Pink Floyd or even Rush, but that has been true of some listening experiences of mine regarding acts like Yes, Jethro Tull, and Emerson, Lake, And Palmer.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 02.22.17 @ 22:10pm


Philip,

Yes, Talking Heads are definitely the type of band that most of the prog rock aficionados could definitely get behind. They were one of the last major prog bands that I had discovered. The members of Rush had listened to a great deal of their music. Both Robert Fripp and Adrian Belew of King Crimson had been involved with Talking Heads. Many "prog aficionados" consider Talking Heads to even be a "prog" band. Prog Archives identifies them as belonging to the "Prog Related/Progressive Rock" category. My favorite Talking Heads albums are: "Remain In Light," "Speaking In Tongues," "Fear Of Music" and of course, "Stop Making Sense."

Black Flag, on the other hand, is the type of band that would probably drive most "proggers" away.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02.23.17 @ 09:10am


Enig,

The Talking Heads are a rare case with their Prog tendencies. They are a rare Case because they were a key act at CBGBs. They were not very punk even though they played at that key Punk club. I embraced their stuff around 1979, 1980. Fear of Music introduced me to their stuff. My favorite are Fear of Music and Speaking in Tongues.

Black Flag and the Dead Kennedys are the type of bands that would drive proggers away. They are straight Punk.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02.24.17 @ 16:08pm


Ben,

Thank you for agreeing with me about Talking Heads. By the way, have you ever seen Tina Weymouth's Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction speech? If not, then you can watch it, on YouTube.

So, we now actually have 7 major prog bands (Pink Floyd, Jefferson Airplane, Talking Heads, Genesis, Rush, Yes and E.L.O.) inducted into the Rock Hall. One could argue that the three most egregious omissions are: The Moody Blues, Procol Harum and King Crimson.

Last year, two prog adjacent bands had been inducted: Chicago and Deep Purple.

How will these aforementioned inductions affect the prog genre's presence in the Rock Hall?

Unfortunately, we have not received information pertaining to the inductors of Electric Light Orchestra, Journey and Nile Rodgers. If the Rock Hall wants to have an all out prog fest, then I think that Sir Paul McCartney and Duran Duran would be the best choices for inducting Electric Light Orchestra and Nile Rodgers, in my honest opinion.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02.25.17 @ 13:14pm


Enig,

I saw Tina Weymouth's RH of Fame induction speech live at the time in 2002. When the 2002 ceremony was aired at that time anyway. I would have to watch it again on You Tube. It was very good I recall. 2 members of the B52s inducted them. The Talking Heads were one of the strong acts of the 2002 ceremony. I disagreed with Brenda Lee that same year. I remember that ceremony.

So the Moody Blues, Procul Harum, King Crimson and ELP need to be inducted. There is 4 omissions thus far.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02.25.17 @ 14:00pm


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/songwriters-hall-of-fame-2017-inductees-announced/

2017 Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees announced - CBS - VIDEO - NILE RODGERS ANNOUNCES

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.27.17 @ 19:46pm


The 2017 Songwriters Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony will be on Thursday, June 15th at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 03.2.17 @ 20:13pm


Roy,

Congratulations to Chicago's founding members: Robert Lamm, Jimmy Pankow and former Chicago member Peter Cetera on their respective inductions into the Songwriter's Hall Of Fame. By the way, have you heard anything about the release date of "Now More Than Ever" on either DVD, or BluRay?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 03.16.17 @ 14:30pm


Roy,

Congratulations to Chicago's founding members: Robert Lamm, Jimmy Pankow and former Chicago member Peter Cetera on their respective inductions into the Songwriter's Hall Of Fame. By the way, have you heard anything about the release date of "Now More Than Ever: The History of Chicago" on either DVD, or BluRay?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 03.16.17 @ 14:42pm


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