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About Motorhead, Sam wrote:| "Motor Head in the Hall of Fame? Are you kidding me? Talentless crap like that does not belong in the same hall as Zepellin, etc." You fail again "Anonymous." First of all, it's one word: "Motorhead." Second, we all have our opinions, but it's a bit of a head-scratcher to say they've never had any talent. Third, they do belong, as I'm about to explain. Also, it's "Zeppelin", not "Zepellin." Go away. "haha. the onl real 'talent' led zep had was to rip off lesser known artists and almost always get away with it. i don't think that motorhead deserves induction, but try a different comparison next time." Liam, while I think you're smart (though it is "only" not "onl") and everyone knows Zep ripped off many blues artists (and were sued for it, rightfully so) to say they had no other talent is absurd. "But here we go: Bernard Sumner took influence from the guitar playing of Tommy Iommi of Black Sabbath and Glenn Tipton and Kenneth Downing of Judas Priest and fused it into the punk/post-punk formula of early Public Image Limited. This is very prominent on Interzone, with its stuttered guitar line clearly owing to Priest. It's easier to hear on live Joy Division performances, as Martin Hannett's powerful production masks the "heavier" sound on record. Slash, on the other hand, did absolutely nothing that hadn't been done before." Interesting. I haven't listened to JD (it's "Tony" Iommi by the way) but I was going to check them out anyhow, so I'll look for that and get back to you.) While I do think that G'N'R were a great band, I agree that they weren't innovative. Back to The Head: They were and are a great band. Innovation: Took metal to a whole new direction in terms of speed and aggressiveness, and bridged the gap between punk and metal (Lars credits them for bringing the punks and metalheads together.) They're considered by some to be the first thrash band. Influence: If you take them out of the equation, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax wouldn't be as fast, and maybe not as good, and thus probably not as groundbreaking or influential. Venom also played faster because of them, and Megadeth, Slayer and Metallica all cite Venom as an influence. At the very least, whoever those five bands influenced (a lot of people) is also influenced by Motorhead. I believe Slash has high praise for them as well. Impact: As I said, if not creating thrash metal, at least assisting in it's birth, and metal got even faster because of them. Made it acceptable for punk stylings to be used in metal. Verdict: They should have been in the moment they were eligible, though it probably won't happen. In the end, though, they're a first-ballot in my hall of fame, and ditto for Metallica, and many other metal-heads, and if a Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Hall of Fame is ever made they'll be in easily. All that matters much more than this Hall. |
About Def Leppard, Ken wrote:
| I always thought Def Lep had a unique sound, kind of Sweet or Queen meets ACDC, they definitely took big choruses to another level |
About 38 Special, Sam wrote:
| "Better than Skynyrd and any other of the genre termed southern rock. 38 Special rules." Granted, I've only heard a few radio hits, but to call them better than Skynyrd and The Allman Brothers is stupid. However, they might have some Impact in terms of keeping mainstream interest in Southern rock going, so I'll say maybe. |
About Journey, Sam wrote:
| "According to Rolling Stone Magazine's Top 100 greatest Frontman list. Steve Perry was ranked 76, and they listed some current artist who are influenced by Journey. Chad Kroeger of Nickelback, Rob Thomas of Matchbox 20, and Chris Daughtry." While I will give that list some credibility, since there were some singers who participated, it's important to note that they put Kurt Cobain above Paul Rodgers, Roger Daltrey and Steven Tyler, while Ian Gillan, David Coverdale and Chris Cornell didn't even make the list. I haven't listened to Daughtry. Possibly true for Rob Thomas, since he and Journey are both pop-rock. I don't believe Chad Kroeger, though, because Nickelback are a post-grunge band, which means they're mainly drawing from Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam. Anyway, you'll need to find actual proof of that (citations as well, please.) "Other people who are influenced by Journey include Garth Brooks, Bon Jovi, Limp Buzkit, and Lifehouse." I haven't listened to Garth Brooks, but I know he's country. I haven't listened to much LB, but they're rap-rock/nu-metal/rap-metal, so it sounds unlikely that they drew anything from Journey. Possibly Lifehouse. Possibly Bon Jovi from '92 onward, though in the 80's they were kind of Springsteen meets pop-metal. I haven't heard Richie Sambora cite Schon as an influence; I only know Jimmy Page, Aerosmith, Clapton and Johnny Winter. Again, I'd need citations to be convinced. "Journey also reinvented the way of stadium concert should look for the audiance. They added light shows, and big scene TV's for fans in lawn sits to get a look for the band from a far distance. Many artist that were around between the early 80's and now have followed Journey's foot steps." That's more like it. Okay, the video screens; that's progress. I'm skeptical that light shows weren't around yet. Plus, WHO has followed in Journey's footsteps? (more on that later.) "Bon Jovi should get in, so maybe that will get journey in too if Bon Jovi was influenced by them, but from where i'm standing joureny never really had a good album." No, BJ's credentials are borderline, and there are many more acts that deserve it first. "Also, they had just as much influence on 80's bands as Van Halen, if not more so." (Sighs)... That's false in every way, so I can't even be bothered to elaborate. Any rock fan should know that's a lie. "How in the world did REM get inducted way before bands that have sold 3 times as many records?? Thats just sad." I believe that they do look at sales and chart success, but you need a lot more than that. Again, if you can't recognize that R.E.M. have Journey beat in Innovation, Influence and Impact (the Three I's the Hall looks at) then you don't deserve to be posting here. "I find it hard to believe REM is more influential than Chicago, journey, and even foreigner. And by the way Chicago was another band that had a much larger influence than REM. They sold over 120 million records worldwide, and still not in the rock hall of fame. To put bands like REM in the hall of fame, before Chicago and Journey is messed up." I believe you could maybe make a case for Chicago for Innovation, but WHO did they influence? Again, the idea that R.E.M. deserve it less than Journey and Foreigner is absurd. "ps alternative rock sucks giant hairy balls!" If that's what you think, fine, but don't expect many people on this site to agree with you. "The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a prime example of the word "corporate".I have been there on several occassions and as I walked through this surface "museum" , I had to wonder why Journey with Steve Perry had never been inducted?In my opinion, so many artists who had talent inferior to Steve Perry and Journey have their legacy on display in Cleveland.Several artists who have been inducted are included because of their political viewpoints brought to light in songs.I do not need a lecture on social consciousness to regard a band or artist as talented.Steve Perry and Journey wrote and sang songs about love and relationships in a heartfelt and sincere manner with words which reflected ( in my opinion ), a genuine admiration , love , and respect for women and the positive relationships possible between the sexes.Steve Perry and Jonathon Cain wrote and sang music that spoke to and for many sensitive fans who grew up in the late 1970's and into the early 1980's, especially women.Influential and important music." Woah there, that's a lot. I haven't been to the Hall, but while I think they've made some mistakes, most of the bands in the Hall right now do deserve it more than Journey, and there are many snubbed so far who deserve it more. As for the "less talent" I think you'll find a) there are many people in the Hall more talented than Journey and b) sometimes, less is more. E.G. A great many kids in bands coming of age hated the state of rock in the mid to late 70's. They felt that most of the arena rock acts sucked, most of them hated prog and the long guitar solos, and in general felt that what was going on was the opposite of what they felt should be happening. They wanted some raw, basic down to earth Rock 'n' Roll; this was the 2nd or 3rd wave of punk, following in the footsteps of the Stooges and MC5. Thus, The Ramones and New York Dolls leading the way in New York, The Damned, The Clash, The Buzzcocks and Sex Pistols at the forefront in the U.K. (Liam or Dameon, please correct me if I've got any of this wrong). So, sometimes less is more. As for the lyrics, if songs about love and relationships make people happy, more power to the band, but it's not relevant to a case towards their induction. "Sadly, most music nowadays, although it is crap, has a lot better chance of getting in than Journey because people dont have good taste. Bands like Journey, Boston, Foreigner, CCR, etc., deserve more appreciation than the crappy music made these days." While I agree that there's a lot of crap around these days, plenty of great music has been made this decade, you just need to work harder to find it. However none of the 2000's artists are even eligible until 2025, so you can't say that any of them have a better chance than Journey (though the album Up The Bracket from The Libertines is better than anything I've heard from Journey.) Oh, and CCR's already in the Hall, and all those artists are being appreciated: With the exception of CCR all of them are still around (albeit playing much smaller venues), still making people happy, still getting classic rock radio play. Anything else you'd like? Okay: Journey, Boston and Foreigner get plenty of play on my local classic rock radio stations. While I do hear some good songs (mostly from Boston), I mostly shrug and think, "Just another band." The idea is that to deserve induction you need to hit on at least one of the major categories: Innovation, Influence, and Impact. I'm not a hater (whatever that means), just someone who doesn't see anything major in any of the three, and therefore, Journey and their kin don't deserve induction, and most of the arguments in favor of Journey haven't been good. Finally: Don't ever ask why Journey's not in and Aerosmith, AC/DC, Van Halen and R.E.M. are. It's stupid, it's ignorant (anyone worthy of having a discussion with should know why all four of them deserve it) and no one on this site will take you seriously. |
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