Woah! Didn't know The White Stripes are eligible. But I just heard that they combined last year and this year.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:08am

the offical website hasnt updated yet, odd. theres no youtube upload yet either. anyway. ZEVON PLEASE also joy division!!!!! LETS GOOOOO very sad about no devo tho :((

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:09am

Just by looking at the nominees list, I would count Kate Bush, Warren Zevon, and Willie Nelson as virtual locks.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:13am

Wait so they screwed Coldplay over?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:14am

I just now noticed that it's 14 nominees instead of the usual 15/16. Wow, could've used it on Coldplay or other artists for those slots.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:20am

The biggest disappointment for me is the direction to go with a smaller group of nominees and possibly inductees. Bad direction for the Hall to go down.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:37am

theres 0 competion in the new wave slot, joy division are going straight in. that was devos problem, too much competion in that lane. interesting, i wonder of dave grohl has given up on devo, i really really hope not

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:37am

Yeah, it's a pretty small list of nominees. Wouldn't have minded if the list was a bit bigger. All deserving picks though. None of us saw them combining two years of eligibility but I'm fine with that. Given that they did that, I'm surprised Coldplay wasn't nominated. Especially since the list is so small, they wouldn't have to knock someone else off to make room. Maybe they didn't want too many first timers.

I ended up predicting 7 right. Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, and Soundgarden.

Most glad to see Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper and Sheryl Crow and that they brought back the Spinners. This is a really tough list to just pick five from though. No one I'd rule out.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:40am

my correct preidctions:

kate bush
tribe
sheryl
zevon
rage
soundgarden
willie

unfortunately i also predicted motorhead and 18 nominees, so im not right on everything

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:44am

I'm actually pleased with the number of nominees because this is probably the first time, I wouldn't mind any of them in. All are Hall worthy to me! A great class is guaranteed to me no matter what.

And if they stick with 7. You knock off half of these nominees.

Very pleased. Though I'm baffled at the exclusions of OutKast and Mariah on the ballot in general.
I hope they revisit The Smiths once JD/NO get in. But I suspect Morrissey is holding them back just like Corgan is for the Smashing Pumpkins.

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:44am

Inductees won't be announced until early May. Good lord that's a long time to wait!

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:44am

Now that the 2023 nominees have been announced, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:49am

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

https://www.rockhall.com/2023-nominees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvWLi2EXOV4

OFFICIAL FAN VOTE LEADERBOARD - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

VOTE HERE - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/

AND HERE - https://futurerocklegends.com/2023_Nominees/

Willie Nelson
The Spinners
Warren Zevon
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Kate Bush
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Rage Against The Machine
A Tribe Called Quest
The White Stripes
Missy Elliott

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 07:50am

I probably would give this list a solid B. A good blend of men and female artists. Also, it runs the spectrum from Country to Rap to Pop to Metal. They could have waited on The White Stripes and Missy Elliott. It's like they put The White Stripes on so many of the HOF predictors would not receive a perfect paper. Finally, they have Warren Zevon and Willie Nelson on the ballot. It will be interesting to see if they both are inducted. Rage Against The Machine and Soundgarden on the same ballot. My guess 1 of the 2 will be inducted. George Michael is an interesting Wild Card here. He's been dead for over 5 years now but he was very popular with Wham! and in his Solo career. I would have went with DEVO or INXS but they do have Joy Division/New Order. It's a competitive ballot. Iron Maiden should be right on the cut line. A Tribe Called Quest had some good support on the voting last year. I could see them having another good showing. Very surprised Diana Ross and Mariah Carey were not on the list. I see Kate Bush being squeezed out again as Cyndi Lauper and Sheryl Crow are very popular. The B-52s did not make the list. A little surprised with all the buzz they were getting. The Spinners are uphill again. I would have went with Kool & The Gang. I think Willie Nelson is a lock. He's going to be 90 years old and should receive votes from the voters. Bad Company, Foreigner, Jethro Tull were shut out again. A little surprising. Would have enjoyed a 16 or 17 nominee ballot. This 14 nominee ballot is more compact and very competitive. Other than Rage Against The Machine and The Spinners, I think the other 12 could be inducted this ballot. I was surprised Sheryl Crow was on the list this time. She was on my list for 2023-2024. Rage Against The Machine is getting into J. Geils Band and MC5 territory if they fail to be inducted again. The NOMCOM did the right thing with NO MC5 or New York Dolls. Those bands had their chances to earn induction. Some new blood in the Nominations. There's plenty of interesting combinations that could be inducted. Roy is great at predicting possible combinations. I hope Soundgarden earns induction. Would open it up for Alice In Chains and Stone Temple Pilots etc. Could see Kate Bush receiving 1 of those Special Awards.
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:14am

No Kingston Trio
No Peter, Paul & Mary
No Monkees
No Jan & Dean
No Jethro Tull
No King Crimson
No Emerson, Lake & Palmer
No Spencer Davis Group
No Blood, Sweat & Tears
No Kool & The Gang
No Commodores
No Foreigner

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:17am

Bummed that The B-52's got snubbed again. They got so much positive publicity this past year for their farewell tour, that I really expected this would be their year.

Other than that, it's a pretty good ballot. I'm a big Hall advocate but I'm still not sold on the new direction of adding country superstars that never had a rockabilly phase.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:35am

i would like to vote for:

Kate Bush
Joy Division/New Order
Iron Maiden
A Tribe Called Quest
The White Stripes

It is hard to guess who will be inducted because almost all nominees are very competitive and important in pop music history

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:37am

Whooaa this is great the official Nominees for 2023. It has diversity.
I probably would give this list a solid A. A good blend of men and female artists. Also, it runs the spectrum from Country to Rap to Pop to Metal. They could have waited on The White Stripes and Missy Elliott. It's like they put The White Stripes on so many like us would be wrong. Finally, they have Warren Zevon and Willie Nelson on the ballot. I feel confident in Willie Nelson. Rage Against The Machine and Soundgarden on the same ballot. My guess is Soundgarden. George Michael is an interesting Wild Card here. He's been dead for over 5 years now but he was very popular with Wham! and in his Solo career. I would have went with INXS but they do have Joy Division/New Order. I am learning more about them. Iron Maiden should be right on the cut line. A Tribe Called Quest had some good support on the voting last year. I could see them having another good showing. Very surprised Mariah Carey were not on the list. I see Kate Bush being squeezed out again since Cyndi Lauper and Sheryl Crow are very popular. The B-52s did not makrock e the list. Ohh man. The Spinners are on the ballot again. I think Willie Nelson is a lock. He's going to be 90 years old. But what happened to Jethro Tull. And there is NO 1960s acts on the ballot. Ohh welll. I am NOT surprised about that. EARLY I is expanded for that. The Expanded edition for Early I should bring us 1960s this or next year. There is several 80s acts again. And Rage Against T M is becoming a very repetitive Nominee like J Geils Band etc. There is Fresh blood in the nominations. I willl absorb and Predict inductees. There is NO competition in the New wave slot. I have to get over my obsession with ARENA rock and learn more with JOY Division

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:41am

Wow. Zero Classic Rock. Jack White is the obvious successor of the Jeff Lynn trend that has been going on since Electric Light Orchestra was inducted. (Maybe you could argue someone from 2016 was part of the trend, like Terry Kath, Ritchie Blackmore, or even Dr. Dre, but Jeff Lynn is an obvious start.)

Surprised at The Spinners and no MC5. It looks like it's time for Early Influence MC5.

So, who is the biggest albums act and who is the biggest singles act?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:48am

This is a hard ballot.

Missy and stripes pop off it more so than George Michael and Warren Zevon.

Kate Bush kinda got screwed with Cyndi and jd/no

Maiden, Soundgarden, and rage cancel eachother

Willie is the lock

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:50am

Probably only 5 to 6 inductees

So

Sheryl, Michael, Missy, no/jd, white stripes, Willie

Add on: Kate

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 08:54am

Lol they snubbed Outkast on big boi's birthday

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:09am

Mat R,

Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Rage Against The Machine
7. Sheryl Crow
6. Warren Zevon
5. Soundgarden
4. Iron Maiden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:15am

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

If 7/Spoiler: Rage Against The Machine

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush

I think the voters will wait on both Missy Elliott and The White Stripes, I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance of getting in had they been nominated instead of JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the voting body, I don't think that they'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out (same with Missy). I'm going with the acts that are the highest in the fan vote right now (except Maiden) just like last year, Last year, they inducted the top 8 acts in the fan vote), so I think that this year, I think that they'll induct 6-7 of the top 8 acts in the fan vote.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:20am

Richie

White stripes are probably in a better spot than Soundgarden when you factor in that the entire recording industry is dependent on jack white pressing their vinyl.

He might be the best connected person nominated.

Only thing is he doesn't give a shit and meg doesn't either

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:26am

new york dolls and mc5 are 100% getting early influence now

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:30am

Mat R,

I just don't see The White Stripes as FYE inductees, especially if Radiohead couldn't get in FYE, Yes, I know that Jack White is beloved and well-respected and well-liked in the music industry, but I think that they'll induct either RATM or Soundgarden this year over The White Stripes, because if Radiohead couldn't get in FYE, then I highly doubt that The White Stripes will as well. so I really think that it's either RATM or Soundgarden's year for induction, as well as it should be.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:32am

14 NOMINEES; 7 INDUCTEES - YES, I THINK THEY WILL INDUCT HALF OF THEM - THAT'S THE PLAN

THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL
HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

MY 2023 ROCK AND ROLL
HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

1. The Spinners
2. Willie Nelson
3. George Michael
4. Cyndi Lauper
5. Kate Bush
6. Iron Maiden
7. Joy Division/New Order

WHEN VOTING SENIORITY

1. Willie Nelson
2. The Spinners
3. Warren Zevon
4. Kate Bush
5. Joy Division/New Order
6. Iron Maiden
7. George Michael

WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ARTISTS

1. The White Stripes
2. Missy Elliott
3. Sheryl Crow
4. Rage Against The Machine
5. A Tribe Called Quest
6. Soundgarden
7. Cyndi Lauper

WHEN VOTING FOR SOLO ARTISTS ONLY

1. Willie Nelson
2. Warren Zevon
3. Kate Bush
4. George Michael
5. Cyndi Lauper
6. Sheryl Crow
7. Missy Elliott

WHEN VOTING FOR BANDS ONLY

1. The Spinners
2. Joy Division/New Order
3. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
5. A Tribe Called Quest
6. Rage Against The Machine
7. The White Stripes

WHEN VOTING ROCKIST

1. Willie Nelson
2. Iron Maiden
3. Joy Division/New Order
4. Sheryl Crow
5. Soundgarden
6. Rage Against The Machine
7. The White Stripes

THERE REALLY ISN'T A WORST-CASE SCENARIO THIS YEAR, BUT I'LL TRY...

WORST-CASE SCENARIO – LOW CEREMONY ATTENDENCE AND BAD FOR TELEVISION RATINGS

1. Missy Elliott
2. The White Stripes
3. Kate Bush or Cyndi Lauper
4. Warren Zevon - DEAD
5. George Michael - DEAD
6. The Spinners - MOSTLY DEAD
7. Willie Nelson

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:34am

Richie

I didn't say they were.

Also I didn't say jack is beloved I said jack is depended upon in a way no one else is. He's literally how everyone makes money

Given the ballot he's in a better place than Soundgarden or rage.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:38am

Mat R,

I know that, but I think that this is a good ballot for either Rage or Soundgarden, As much as I love The White Stripes, I just have a hard time seeing them getting in FYE if Radiohead couldn't, so that's my biggest issue with them. Like I said, I really think that's it's either Rage or Soundgarden's time this year, as well as it should be.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:41am

Since FRL didn't list the individual members of the Spinners who will be included if inducted, they are Henry Fambrough, Billy Henderson, Pervis Jackson, Bobbie Smith and Philippé Wynne. Henry Fambough, who is still with the (current version of) the Spinners, and the only one of the nominees still living.

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:47am

My inductee predictions:
Kate Bush
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Missy Elliot
Joy Division/New Order
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:48am

Richie

Explain how it's a good ballot for either?

They're on their 5th (no one with 4+ has gotten in in a while) and 2nd nominations

They're competing with eachother

They're competing with Maiden, who are bigger

They're competing with white stripes, who are better connected

They're competing with Sheryl, who is 90s

Like I don't think you're outright wrong but this is a rumble tumble ballot

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:49am

Looking at the ballot a bit more...there is a horrifying high chance we end up with an all white class

Missy, Soundgarden, and rage seem 50/50 and Spinners and tribe feel unlikely af

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 09:56am

Rock Hall of Fame: George Michael, Kate Bush, Missy Elliott, White Stripes Lead Nominees
Cyndi Lauper, A Tribe Called Quest, Sheryl Crow, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Warren Zevon are also on the ballot
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rock-hall-of-fame-george-michael-kate-bush-missy-elliott-white-stripes-1234671202/

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Reveals 2023 Nominees
Two artists net a nomination during their first year of eligibility.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/rock-hall-fame-2023-nominations-list-1235209024/

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:12am

I think JD/NO is safe to be inducted.

Like roxy music in 2019 and t.rex in 2020, JD/NO is very important and influences many musicians.

What is more, it is the only new wave band and no other band will divide the ballots.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:14am

ChasingWildCat,

I don't think so, I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, They just don't have the commercial success and name recognition in the States that other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts have had, If The Smiths couldn't get in on their two tries, then I highly doubt that JD/NO will as well, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance of getting in had they been nominated instead of JD/NO.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:21am

Way too much to process in one post on a break at work. I will say, not to pile on, but Richie can't admit he was wrong about jd/no. They're going in based on trends. And I think no one picked the stripes because the consensus was they weren't eligible til next year. They are slam dunks for this ballot. Also, only 14 noms is insulting and disappointing because of the sheer backlog. Literally every act on this ballot has a chance to get in this year

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:35am

And we're back!

My immediate takeaways from this ballot -

- I love this group of artists, and I think each and every one of them have a very strong case for induction. There are so many different ways that this could play out, and I don't think that there are a lot of locks. Very exciting.

- I got 8 artists right on my final prediction (granted I predicted a ballot of 16).

- Wow so the "classic rock" era is just fully over, huh? We are well and truly into the 80s/90s/00s with this group of artists.

- No Outkast, B-52s, Mary J :(

- WHITE STRIPES ON THE BALLOT! Throwing off every single prediction here. Can't wait to see a "Reclusive Women of Rock and Roll" theme ceremony with Kate Bush and Meg White.

- Unfortunately it looks like this will be a pretty white class. Hopefully some of the other categories will be used to correct that a bit (Rufus/Chaka, Big Mama Thornton, etc.).

I'll be back later today with my predictions and thoughts on each artists chances!

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:45am

Oh also a 14 artist ballot is not bad at all as long as they keep a 7 artist + 3-6 special category inductee class. Fingers crossed.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:47am

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush

Spoilers: Rage Against The Machine, Missy Elliott

I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance had they been nominated instead of JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that there'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out, I'm going with the acts that are the highest in the fan vote right now (The top 7 acts in the fan vote right now are Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson, George Michael, Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, Warren Zevon and Sheryl Crow and I think that all of them will get in this year except Maiden) plus The White Stripes as the shoo-in FYE inductee and Kate Bush will get backdoored as Musical Excellence because once again this is a tough ballot for her, so I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:53am

Just off the top of my head, here's how I'd rank the likelihood of each artist being inducted. This will likely change by the time the inductees are announced.

1. Willie Nelson
2. The White Stripes
3. George Michael
4. Warren Zevon
5. Missy Elliott
6. Cyndi Lauper
7. Joy Division/New Order
8. Sheryl Crow
9. Iron Maiden
10. Kate Bush
11. Soundgarden
12. Rage Against The Machine
13. A Tribe Called Quest
14. The Spinners

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 10:55am

I have Covid this whole week so I've got all the time in the world to digest this list.

Very glad they stuck with JD/NO as a package, there's the face's precedent obviously but I was scared they'd go with only One or the Other

Soundgarden and Rage are gonna take away each others votes,

The singer songwriter lane would be perfectly clear for Zevon, if not for Nelson. This leads me to see Zevon as going in on AME, with Nelson in as performer.

Missy and Tribe I could see competing for ballot space, splitting votes. Missy might be more popular and maybe more acclaimed, but given the current hh inductees, I'd see them voting for tribe over missy

Sheryl Crow, shoe in. White Stripes I did not expect this year, bc I was going off the 26 years idea. Hmm. Ritchie makes a decent point, but they're going in FYE. Not only is Jack white a major favorite and vinyl juggernaut, but the white stripes are just super popular a la foo fighters and seven nation army can't be denied

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:06am

I'm very curious if they actually do 6 to 7 again instead of 5 to 6 despite the short ballot. The risk of no people of colour going in with a 5-6 person class feels way too high

This is the problem with the poptimist rock hall: big names (like George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Willie Nelson) take up half the ballot thanks to name power

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:06am

JD/NO is one of the most influential band in 80s. They have influenced lots of hall of famers like Radiohead, the Cure, U2, NiN, Depeche Mode. Members of these bands will likely vote for them with no doubt. Also, JD/NO has multiple greatest songs and albums recognized by rolling Stones magazine, they are recognized by industrial people. T.Rex and Roxy music also do not reach huge success in America, but they are inducted in FYE. Hence, it is reasonable to think JD/NO will be likely inducted.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:07am

Anybody have an idea as to when and where the ceremony will occur? Or does that get announced at a later date?

Posted by Robert F. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:08am

I think Nelson is locked to be inducted as well as he?should be.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:10am

I think Nelson is locked to be inducted as well as he?should be.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:13am

HOLY CRAP THAT IS A FANTASTIC LIST!

Kate Bush- not familiar with her work aside from Running Up That Hill
The White Stripes- SWEET! One of my favorite bands.
Missy Elliot- Can't go one year without rappers and this year it's three.
Iron Maiden- now that they're opening up to classic metal LET'S GET THEM IN
Willie Nelson- country legend
Warren Zevon- let's finish the heartland rockers (unless Kansas counts)
George Michael- not familiar with his work aside from Faith
Sheryl Crow- album rock revival era representative, and a good one
Cyndi Lauper- meh
Soundgarden- let's get it over with
The Spinners- ok choice
A Tribe Called Quest- let's just hope they only choose one rap act
Rage Against the Machine- acceptable
Joy Division/New Order- Why together?

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:34am

Joy Division are an absolute lock, Kate Bush I also think is a lock but with this populist ballot I'm more willing to see her getting AME. I actually think with a smaller ballot the class might be bigger, it's really hard to exclude any of these acts. The spinners are clearly a Questlove favorite, so if they're not voted in, AME for them

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:37am

Garrus,

I'm not sure if you're familiar with joy division and new order, but they are in effect, one band. Similar to small faces/faces, it doesn't make sense to count them separately

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:40am

Will M,

Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Rage Against The Machine
7. Sheryl Crow
6. Warren Zevon
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:41am

My first predictions:

Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
Missy Elliott
The White Stripes
George Michael
Soundgarden
Sheryl Crow

I HOPE Zevon, Maiden and Joy Division/New Order are in but this is a CROWDED ballot.

But as I said earlier, first year where any combination of inductees would please me.

I hope we get at least 7 inductees from this crop! 7 minimum should be the norm from now on, especially if they're shortening the package time on most side category inductees.

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 11:58am

God, I really hope homophobia doesn't affect George Michael that much. He deserves to waltz in but that really tarnished his rep for a long time.

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:01pm

rorschach,

It won't. Homosexuality has been normalized in both the US and the UK.

Anyway, I wanted to apologize on my end, because Warren Zevon is the Classic Rock act that has been nominated.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:03pm

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment and she'll get in as Musical Excellence instead of as a Performer this year)

Spoilers: Missy Elliott, Rage Against The Machine

I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance with voters had they gotten nominated instead of JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that we'll get a Rap/Hip-Hop act this year, so ATCQ is out.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:09pm

Rorschach,

How would homophobia block George Micheal? There's plenty of queer artists in already, Freddie Mercury, Elton John, Janis Joplin, Joan Jett, Bowie, Debbie Harry, etc

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:28pm

Also Rorshach I agree that any combo would make a super satisfying class.

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:30pm

Will M,

I did not know that about Joy Division & New Order. Very interesting.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:31pm

Those queer artists were NEVER a joke though.

Towards the last years of George's life, he had turned into a semi-joke. Especially during the time of the solicitation scandal. They were also, all rock stars first in the more traditional rockist sense. George Michael's genre of rock, pop/soft boy rock is already isn't the most respected , especially in aspects where it is a bit more feminine/girly. I distinctly remember that time.

Anyway, I'm hoping for the best!

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:34pm

Rorschach

George Michael became a joke because of homophobia. His career was literally derailed because of it.

If people didn't vote for him in 2023 cause of a series of gay jokes they heard in 1998 that's f****d up

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:52pm

I'm gonna try and predict this year's inductees based on last years inductees:
80s new wave (Duran Duran): JD/NO
80s female artist (Pat Benatar): Either Kate or Cyndi, most likely Kate
Newly eligible rap artist (Eminem): Missy Elliot
Country Artist (Dolly Parton): Willie Nelson
Singer-Songwriter (Carly Simon): Warren Zevon
2000s artist (also Eminem): The White Stripes
Artist that surprisingly did well in the votes (Eurythmics): The Spinners
Metal act* (Judas Priest): Iron Maiden
Artist with conncections to last year's ceremony (Lionel Richie): Sheryl Crow

*that may or may not get in through the side

Others who could slip in there:
Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, George Michael

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 12:58pm

I know very little about George Micheal personally. I've never heard most of his non wham hit songs, wasnt born yet in the 80s and 90s. My musical perspective is like entirely focused on classic rock. Did not know that about George Micheal. It's very sad that his career would be derailed by that yknow. I only view things from my modern perspective too, so George Micheal I've only seen as that iconic 80s pop guy. Other than wham bc I know the wham songs

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 13:03pm

I would say that Willie Nelson is easily inducted as a Performer and Warren Zevon gets a A ME award. Also I think Soundgarden finally get inducted. But I am still absorbing the rest

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 13:19pm

Willie Nelson is in because they like to induct icons regardless of genre crossovers.
Warren Zevon is in because the classic rockers will be united behind him.
I suspect Kate Bush is in not only because of the "Running Up That Hill" revival but in addition to the many recent new wave artists adding to the voting rolls, also I think the classic rock inductees are actually going to be firmly behind her corner too. There aren't any extremely obvious classic rock artists this time unlike the other years when she was on the ballot (Pat Benatar last year and Foo Fighters the year before, who are getting classic rock airplay now.) She was discovered by David Gilmour, she dueted with Peter Gabriel, Benatar covered "Wuthering Heights" on her biggest album (and I honestly thought Benatar's induction actually helped Bush even before Stranger Things), and I wonder if she'll get some love from the other artists she shared soundtrack space with (Journey, Beach Boys, Talking Heads, KISS, James Taylor, Metallica.) Like I could totally see Journey voting for her this year when they wouldn't have in the past solely due to the soundtrack reviving both of their songs.

The rest is less obvious.

I think Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, and RATM are all out since they'll split the vote with each other.
I also think White Stripes won't make it because they will split the hard rock vote with those other three, just like 2020 when all the hard rockers split the ballot with each other, and none of them get classic rock radio play while there simply aren't enough metal or alt people to get them inducted.
White Stripes are legends to young people but there aren't a lot of young people in the Hall and I question whether they're legends to the old classic rock guys. They aren't getting played on classic rock radio and to that set I think they're viewed as something like Deep Purple where they are perceived as having a few iconic guitar songs but little more. And Deep Purple was seemingly more in their wheelhouse and took three nominations. You could say Deep Purple had a lot of classic rock competition, but White Stripes has a lot of modern rock competition. Foo Fighters got played on modern rock radio constantly while White Stripes wasn't as big on alt rock radio as even like Linkin Park or Incubus. I also think they are more popular with critics than the public, and none of that bodes well for them. If they had chosen Coldplay instead of White Stripes, who have had constant radio hits for decades, I think they would have gone straight in but White Stripes won't. I also think there are some people who are going to be annoyed at them jumping the line, particularly them being declared eligible when people thought they weren't going to be.
Kate Bush will keep Cyndi Lauper out.
Missy Elliott will keep ATCQ out.
Everybody's picking Sheryl Crow because she's an industry insider but I think it will take two or three for her. People will think she's jumping the line when the voting body seems to be thirsting for '70s/'80s women. Lionel Richie got in with his industry connections because he was linked with the legends who had been in the hall for decades (writing We Are the World and stuff) but it seems like it's only the super top tier people in the '90s who are getting inducted. She seems roughly analogous to Dave Matthews in that both will get in but it'll be viewed as way too soon. And I do think the classic rockers are going to go for Kate Bush (who is their peer and contemporary and also has links with more of them I think) than Crow.
I suppose the Spinners could get some love from the old voters. They haven't in the past, but like Kate Bush, I think they could get some classic rock votes this time when they haven't in the past since they were peers and contemporaries, but then again Dionne Warwick didn't and they were historically linked so I'm guessing not.

I think Joy Division/New Order, George Michael, and Missy Elliott will get the last three spots but they're not slam dunks.

Joy Division/New Order will probably get in because there are a lot of new wavers inducted now or people who influenced/followed them (Kraftwerk, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Roxy Music, Nine Inch Nails), and it seems that critically acclaimed and influential British bands with only a couple mainstream hits consistently do well (T. Rex, Roxy Music) while strangely critically acclaimed and influential American acts with minor chart success generally don't. It's not a guarantee though.

Missy Elliott is firmly going to have critics and black voters in her corner, which I think will be enough to push her over the line, especially because most of the critics' acts have conflicts except for JD/NO and Elliott (the '90s/2000s alt rockers especially.)

George Michael is well-liked in the industry and was globally huge for a much longer period of time than Cyndi Lauper and he seems to fit the now-traditional MTV icon slot, but his arrest did kill his career in America even though he remained massively popular everywhere else, but this is an American institution, so enduring success in America matters more than enduring success globally. The last person to get inducted who was wronged by the culture was Janet Jackson but it took her three nominations. I'm less sure about him than most others are, but I think he'll get it.

So I'm saying:

Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
Kate Bush
Joy Division/New Order
Missy Elliott
George Michael

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 13:37pm

I see people citing a lack of USA Top 40 hits for The Joy Division and New Order as a reason for them not being inducted this year. Two thoughts… that's why it was called "alternative" (before that meant something different in the '90s), and also, the legacy of both groups (but especially New Order) casts a much longer shadow today than the charts suggests. New Order songs are almost cliche "needle drops" for movies or trailers that want to instantly tell you it's the 1980s. Wonder Woman 1984 used New Order's Blue Monday to such a degree that younger fans probably do think it was a huge pop hit in the USA.

Posted by Bookhouse on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 14:03pm

What is more, new order is also extremely important in electronic music history, which will increase its case. I think their synth-pop contemporaries and people following them (depeche mode, eurythmics, u2, the cure, nine inch nails, radiohead ) will vote for jd/no. Also, jd/no is well recognized by critics of The Rolling Stone Magazine. It has three all-time great albums and songs in rolling stone's list.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 14:03pm

Rolling Stone Top 500 Album List Appearances

475. Sheryl Crow - Sheryl Crow
449. Elephant - The White Stripes
309. Closer - Joy Division
262. Power, Corruption & Lies - New Order
237. Red Headed Stranger - Willie Nelson
221. Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine
211. Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division
201. Midnight Marauders - A Tribe Called Quest
184. She's So Unusual - Cyndi Lauper
151. Faith - George Michael
93. Supa Dupa Fly - Missy Elliott
68. Hounds of Love - Kate Bush
43. The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 14:42pm

Some quick first thoughts.

Wonderful to see Joy Division finally get some attention, could and should have been inducted long ago. Willie Nelson is a logical choice after the recent legend inductions of Dolly Parton, Joan Baez and Nina Simone. White Stripes is a no brainer. Kate Bush has the best chance ever and this should finally be her year.

These four acts are top of my list, Sheryl Crow comes close at 5. Missy Elliot and Iron Maiden would make a fine class. If there's still a spot, I'd place The Spinners, they had to wait way too long.

Posted by MichaelEU on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 14:55pm

Here's my initial thoughts (Part 1):

Kate Bush: As expected, we get another nomination for Kate Bush, after she had one of the best years for a legacy artist since Johnny Cash scored a final hit with his cover of "Hurt." The expectation was that Bush would easily score a nomination and likely waltz in on the momentum from "Running Up That Hill" hitting the charts again from its appearance on "Stranger Things." The nomination is done; but for an actual induction… it's unfortunate, but I'm not seeing it. In terms of lanes, she's got Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott and Cyndi Lauper on the female artists side, Joy Division/New Order and George Michael on the beloved British acts end of things, and Willie Nelson and Warren Zevon crowding out the singer/songwriter spot. If Kate Bush was going to get in, it'll be this year; and she will remain a potential spoiler. But I can easily see her getting snubbed again in favor of more recognizable artists, despite the push she's had.

Sheryl Crow: Getting in, no question. Sheryl Crow has been an industry standby, and friend of the Rock Hall, for the majority of her career. She also has an easy pickup for the classic rock space that Pat Benatar took last year, as Warren Zevon is the only act that comes close to filling that lane. Given her relationship with the Hall, her career longevity and commercial success, she's likely the biggest lock of this year's class.

Missy Elliott: This year brings us our first female hip hop nominee, with Missy Elliott taking the slot before Salt-n-Pepa, Queen Latifah or the Fugees. Elliott ticks all the boxes that usually lends itself to an easy induction: commercial success, critical acclaim, and a long career including work as a producer, songwriter and featured artist. She's not the slam dunk hip hop nominee that Jay-Z or Eminem were; but, given the lack of pop/R&B crossover acts that the Hall has favored the past few years, she has the best chance for any non-white artist to make it in this year.

Iron Maiden: After Judas Priest got backdoored last year, it was only a matter of time before Maiden got a second nomination. Maybe there's a hope that, given there's now a sense of momentum for metal in the Hall, they might have a shot. Unfortunately, the genre has always struggled with the voters, with acts like Priest scraping the bottom of the vote counts every year. Given that more recent acts like Soundgarden or Rage Against the Machine, that had more crossover success, have also struggled in the voting, I don't think Maiden has a shot in hell of getting in this year.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:08pm

(Part 2):

Joy Division/New Order: A welcome inclusion for this year, taking the Devo slot for synth-based acts that has been previously filled by Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails and the Cure. It feels a little like cheating to combine the two bands, despite that it's mostly the same people involved in both iterations: one is a post-punk underground act whose work was touched by the tragic suicide of their lead singer; the other a foundational bridge between rock music and EDM, helped with their immense success in England and growing recognition in the U.S. I'd like to say they will score a quick induction… that said, I don't think it's going to be their year. Synth bands have struggled with the Hall; and JD/NO will be competing against George Michael (a more successful artist in line with the Hall's recent focus on MTV-era stars) and Kate Bush (a beloved alternative artist with more recent momentum in terms of recognition). I think it will take them a few more shots before they get in.

Cyndi Lauper: One of this year's first nominations for a major MTV icon from the heyday of the network, Lauper on paper looks like a marginal candidate: as a pop star, her success was limited to a shorter period of time than many of her peers who have been inducted in the past, despite a handful of hits that have stood the test of time. However, Lauper has remained a beloved figure and major force in the industry: she's one award away from an EGOT, with multiple projects involving her that have found success in a variety of media. The Hall has definitely been pulling in the MTV icons, particularly the female ones, that have been passed over up to this point: Lauper will be the beneficiary of that push for this year.

George Michael: This year's other big MTV icon amongst the nominees, and one who's been given increased support and shoutouts from other musicians and industry figures involved with the hall. Michael had a career that had built over many years, from his time in Wham! to his solo career, where he briefly found himself one of the biggest artists in the world. That success ended up being shorter lived than it should have been, due to industry homophobia; and he found myself marginalized by the time of his tragically too young death. In most instances, I would expect him to get in, without question; the only thing that might bump him out of the class is the Hall's reluctance to give an inductee slot to an artist who's no longer with us. Otherwise, I think he has a strong shot at getting in, given the Hall's recent focus on MTV-era stars.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:12pm

Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Rage Against The Machine
6. Warren Zevon
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:14pm

Sorry everyone: I'm trying to post the rest of my notes; but I keep getting caught by the site's spam filter. Luckily I copied and pasted my review before I hit submit the first time; but now it won't let me paste the rest of them into the comments.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:18pm

Ok, so, I know it hasn't even been a day yet, but I already have predictions for next year. HOWEVER, it is just 1 prediction, and it is that Coldplay is definitely a lock for next year's ballot. My theory is that The Stripes being nominated this year is an experiment of sorts, testing the waters a bit in case they decide to merge years again, leaving Coldplay and possibly some of the other big newly eligible acts (DC, QOTSA, Muse, Lauryn Hill, Britney, etc) for next year.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:27pm

Also I'm sure we can all agree that this ballot is 10x better than last year's, yes?

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:29pm

None of this year's nominees are in the Top 10 in voting on Future Rock Legends. We're not getting anything right this year.

https://futurerocklegends.com/Statistics/

Most YES and NO votes combined

1. Tokio Hotel
2. Devo
3. Coven
4. Britney Spears
5. Jethro Tull
6. Nickelback
7. Backstreet Boys
8. Blink-182
9. Mariah Carey
10. Beyonce

Most YES Votes

1. Tokio Hotel
2. Devo
3. Coven
4. Jethro Tull
5. Nickelback
6. Britney Spears
7. Blink-182
8. Alice In Chains
9. Emerson Lake and Palmer
10. The Monkees

Most NO Votes

1. Tokio Hotel
2. Britney Spears
3. Coven
4. Beyonce
5. Destinys Child
6. Mariah Carey
7. Backstreet Boys
8. Rihanna
9. Justin Bieber
10. Steve Perry

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:32pm

Raichu

Yes but also weirdly less wild. Like there's no Fela Kuti or bad brains or dolly or someone straight out of left field. Feels like a very very safe class

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:34pm

Mat R,

Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Warren Zevon
6. Rage Against The Machine
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:37pm

Raichu,

idk. last year had devo, mc5, and new york dolls, all of whom are amongst my biggest snubs, plus all the acts who got in, pat benatar carly simon duran duran judas priest, and who returned to the ballot, kate bush and rage. this year is much more well rounded, but last year had more artists i wanted in, 9, while this year has just 6, kate, rage, zevon, iron maiden, jd/no, and soundgarden.

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:40pm

Mat,

I think White Stripes was the left field pick, cause I bet you literally no one expected it to happen this year.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:41pm

Raichu

Yea but that's cause they changed the rules not because they're someone no one thought would ever be nominated

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:45pm

Mat r,

agreed. the only "wild card" was white stripes and thats just cause we all thought theyd be next year. its a less interesting class. also, honestly im kinda disapointed that they jumped to 98. the real problem the hall needs has to adress is the backlog, adding more years does not solve that. i think the solution might be to make it 30 years, while not discounting all the 93-98 artists. it seems absurd to me that we might be adressing king crimson and kanye west within the same year. we need makeup years to clean up the backlog and address people like cher jethro tull the damned and the monkees before theyre gone.

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:46pm

worth noting: at this point, kanye is never getting in. pr nightmare, could also be ratings heaven, but pr nightmare. John Mellancamps whole speech last year was reacting to kanye. motley crue are more likely than him now

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 15:49pm

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I see her being this year's LL Cool J/Judas Priest, She'll get in this year because of the resurgence she's had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoilers: Rage Against The Machine, Missy Elliott, Joy Division/New Order

Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that there'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 16:04pm

At the very least, if I could pick the inductees:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Warren Zevon
and if there's a 6th slot: A Tribe Called Quest

And here's who I think will get in:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
and either Kate Bush or Soundgarden

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 16:19pm

This is a hard ballot to predict with Willie Nelson and Warren Zevon being the only ones who are lock. But here are my wishlists on who I want to see from the ballot get inducted this year:

Missy Elliott
A Tribe Called Quest
The Spinners
Joy Division/New Order
Kate Bush
Warren Zevon
George Michael

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 16:53pm

And once again the question is begged: Just who did Ian Anderson piss off and what did he say to piss them off? 30 years eligible and Jethro Tull not even having a nomination is unconscionable! One of the many reasons no one considers the hall credible. And I'm starting to wonder the same thing about Billy Corgan, although it's a lot easier to imagine him pissing a LOT of people off, but Smashing Pumpkins are among the iconic 90s rock bands I figured would be nominated within 2-3 years of eligibility. It has not been 8! Once again the Hall of Shame!

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 17:40pm

Interesting thing I noticed on the rock hall website page about the white stripes: they single out Michel Gondry. Have they ever done that for a music video director before? They didn't mention hype Williams on Missy's page despite also talking about her music videos so I'm surprised.

I've been talking about how they need to get a video director in for a while so I'm curious.

Ahmet Ertegun Award for Gondry would make a lot of sense when you look at his career in videos

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 17:47pm

Missy Elliott, Joy Division/New Order, Sheryl Crow, RATM, Kate Bush & Willie Nelson are pretty much likely choices for induction this year. As for Soundgarden, Iron Maiden & Tribe, they might need one more nomination in order to finally be inducted. Cyndi Lauper would likely take 2 nominations since that happened with Pat Benatar. Then Warren Zevon & The Spinners would be sure things not to get voted in as performers but instead through special categories like Early Influence & Musical Excellence. The White Stripes are very worthy but they're facing a little competition with aforementioned acts RATM, Maiden & Soundgarden plus it's too soon for them.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 17:49pm

My correctly predicted nominees:

George Michael
Sheryl Crow
Rage Against the Machine
A Tribe Called Quest
Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper

This ballot has the fewest acts I care all that much about ever but it would be nice to see Willie, Sheryl Crow, and Soundgarden get in.

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 17:50pm

My correctly predicted nominees:

George Michael
Sheryl Crow
Rage Against the Machine
A Tribe Called Quest
Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper

This ballot has the fewest acts I care all that much about ever but it would be nice to see Willie, Sheryl Crow, and Soundgarden get in.

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 17:51pm

Jordan Einstein,

but Cyndi Lauper is currently in the lead in the online fan vote and the Rock Hall doesn't want another Dave Matthews Band situation with bad PR where the fan vote winner doesn't get inducted, so please put Kate Bush in Musical Excellence and put Cyndi in in her place.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:03pm

WANT
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Sheryl Crow

NONPARTISAN
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
Rage Against the Machine
George Michael

DO NOT WANT
A Tribe Called Quest
Missy Elliot
Kate Bush
Cyndi Lauper

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:26pm

Class based solely on my personal taste:
1. Kate Bush
2. A Tribe Called Quest
3. The White Stripes
4. Joy Division/New Order
5. Missy Elliott
6. The Spinners
7. Rage Against the Machine

What I think it SHOULD be:
1. George Michael
2. Missy Elliott
3. Kate Bush
4. Iron Maiden
5. Joy Division/New Order
6. The Spinners
7. Willie Nelson

What I think it will be:
1. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
3. Sheryl Crow
4. The White Stripes
5. Joy Division/New Order
6. Kate Bush
7. Missy Elliott

tbh I am only confident about #1 and 2, and the only nominees I'm feeling confident will NOT be on here are The Spinners, Iron Maiden, Rage, and Tribe. Zevon, Lauper, and Soundgarden are very much still in the mix.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:40pm

RG,

Cyndi Lauper is currently in the lead in the online fan vote, The Rock Hall doesn't want another PR nightmare with the bad publicity of the fan vote winner not getting inducted just like with Dave Matthews Band back in 2020, I think she's getting in this year, as well as she should be.

As much as I love Kate Bush, I think she's getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year, I think she'll get in this year, but it will be via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:47pm

interesting idea garrus

WANTS
Rage,
Zevon
Kate Bush
Maiden
JD/NO
soundgarden

nuetral on
literally everyone else

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:51pm

Will M,

Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Warren Zevon
6. Rage Against The Machine
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 18:55pm

With the way music journalists are talking about Missy's nomination, I can put as a "near-lock" along with Willie and Warren Zevon.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 19:07pm

John R.C.,

Here's the current standings in the online fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Warren Zevon
6. Rage Against The Machine
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 19:10pm

The most interesting, and perhaps the best, nominee list in a long time.

Only definite lock is Willie Nelson. No other real competitor (other then slightly Zevon), a huge and influential name who will soon be in his 90s and was a highly wanted hall addition for years. I'd expect almost all ballots to give him the nod to get him in while he's still alive.

Kate Bush should be a lock given she's had enough interest to be on multiple ballots before the RUTH surge. Some of the pop or electronic acts might take some votes, but there's momentum and urgency here that others will have chances the upcoming year but if Bush can't pull it off this year she never will. So I think she has it this time.

Zevon should also be a lock, no real acts that would steal his votes and he's right in with the individuals and musicians who'd vote for the hall. Heavy campaigning helps.

From there, 3-4 spots remain depending. Sheryl/Lauper/Michael will be battling for at least one spot for the pop acts (and Bush is so different that I don't think she'll take votes from them or them from her), likely down to Lauper or Michael. RATM/Soundgarden/Maiden/Stripes for a rock spot. Either could have 2. Each of these will take votes from each other for being similar and will hurt each others chances. Quest, Elliot and Spinners I can't see having the momentum in this class to make it.

Which leaves Joy Division/New Order as the absolute wild card here. What makes them interesting is the insane influence they have in both the post-punk and synth/electronic genres, which then spread out dramatically from them. This might give them a wide net of voters compared to other acts focused on either genre. Though it remains to be seen if there is finally enough voters in the hall influenced by them to actually give them the vote the way T Rex or Roxy Music got in.

So final prediction is Nelson, Bush, Zevon, Lauper, Soundgarden and Joy Division/New Order. Some who didn't make it this year will next year for sure.

Posted by Guest on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 19:33pm

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2023 next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 19:56pm

Greg F,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 20:13pm

This year's batch of nominees are continuing the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and its commitment to diversifying the nomination process and who is considered. I think the nominees are well qualified for induction and I could see each of them go in now or years from now. Although I must admit I am not sure if Sheryl Crow is the lock many think she is. Where I to decide which 6 or 7 Performers get inducted (and I do hope the amount of people who are inducted is as large as last year), my vote is going to be for the following.

Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
Missy Elliott

Either one of them could get in through the back door by way of special categories induction. Even so, if there is an eight inductee from the nominee list and goes into the Hall of Fame with an AME award; I will go with Rage Against the Machine. It appears to me that this forthcoming class will be one of the recent sorts that emphasizes overlooked artists who should have been inducted years ago.

A fitting selection of potential inductees,

Lax40

Posted by Lax40 on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 20:19pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxSStQJopjA

found this upload, interview with a member of the mueseums staff, jason hanley,

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 20:28pm

he mentions maidens place on the mueasum kioask poll being a majpt factor for iron maiden. mustve given them the push over motorhead, who were nominated before maiden and are also a favorite of dave grohl.

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 20:32pm

I too wonder if the performers list might wind up pretty white. Missy Elliott is phenomenally successful, but I'm not sure the older guard of music critics nor the classic rock performer voters really know her well enough to vote for her. She may very well be handicapped by not elevating her name brand via generating a ton of controversy (like Eminem or Tupac & Biggie), much like LL Cool J was never particularly controversial and kept getting snubbed.

However, if the Hall is smart, they can prepare for that by making sure that there are people of color going in through the Early Influence and Musical Excellence categories. I happen to know for instance that The Wailers at least will be discussed in the Musical Excellence meetings (going in via the same route the E Street Band got in); because I personally lobbied for that to happen via a well known member of the nominating committee, who liked the idea and assured me that the suggestion would at least be considered. They may not actually get it (there are certainly a lot of worthy choices!), but at least I made sure they were actively thinking about it!

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 20:43pm

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoilers: Missy Elliott, Rage Against The Machine

I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO, because The B-52's and INXS have had more commercial success in America than JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that there'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 21:29pm

oh damn Shrek, did not know you had those connections. would absolutely love the wailers being considered and hopefully inducted! 2012 didnt fix enough of the backing artists problems, hopefully that might lead to more like crazy horse the belmonts silver bullet band the mothers of invention, and full bands with just a solo artist like wings runaways and chic

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 21:36pm

I see Kate Bush, and probably the White Stripes, as being favorites to be inducted. Kate gives them almost no choice, because her song was so hugely popular in its revival in Stranger Things, and that will generate a huge buzz and an instant guarantee of eyeballs towards the RRHOF. Likewise, the White Stripes, similar to Green Day in 2014, are fresh in the minds of younger music fans, and Jack White has been ever present since the disbanding of the Stripes. Remember, the Hall is all about increasing visitors and popularity. They will listen to the crotchety old people, so to speak, in small portions, but it's the younger generations who are the future of the franchise.

And Richie, I hope with every fiber of my being that JD/NO is inducted so I can remind you as often as possible that your doubting is unfounded. I don't know why this gets to me, but you sound like a broken record lol...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 21:37pm

K-Dawg,

I see Kate Bush getting in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J and Judas Priest treatment (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did).

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 21:42pm

top reasons for inducting joy division new order
3 their massive influence
2 my love of their music
1 proving ritchie wrong

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:17pm

Will M,

but IMO, I see JD/NO taking 2-3 nominations to get in just like The Cure, Depeche Mode, Eurythmics and Nine Inch Nails, I just think that had The B-52's or INXS been nominated this year instead of JD/NO, I think that they would have had a much better chance of getting in FYN than JD/NO, I see JD/NO being more in line with Devo and The Smiths and it'll take them multiple nominations to get in just like Devo and The Smiths.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:22pm

Ranking the nominees from most to least likely

Locks
1. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson (could suffer from some Dolly related backlash but feels unlikely cause it's Willie)
3. Kate Bush (I feel she's going in. Might not be on the ballot but if she doesn't get the votes I'm sure they'll give her AME)

Very Close
4. Sheryl Crow (gimme)
5. Warren Zevon (I can't picture a guy this connected and well liked by musicians being left off, especially as he's the most classic rock artist)
6. Joy Division/New Order (Ever present in culture despite cult status, really big with the UK voters and critics)

50/50
7. Missy Elliot (the strongest rap candidate but possibly to weird or maybe even obnoxious for older performer voters, she's also been away for a long time)
8. White Stripes (critical and industry darlings, Jack is basically the last rock star, however they will not show up)
9. Cyndi Lauper (strong chance as she's super well liked but might lose votes to both George Michael and Kate Bush)
10. Iron Maiden (biggest band on the ballot easily but have spoken ill of the hall and not exactly critical darlings)
11. Soundgarden (strong contender but some of the spark feels gone after missing in 2020 and now have to deal with Rage and Maiden)

30% Chance
12. The Spinners (boomer nostalgia combined with really they're not in?!?!)
13. Rage Against the Machine (5th ballot in 6 years suggest closeness but with Soundgarden and Maiden seems difficult)
14. A Tribe Called Quest (they def did well last year but they were likely the critical darlings and the raphad pick, this year with Missy, Zevon, Michael, Stripes they can't claim either to themselves)

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:31pm

yknow ritchie i get your point. but think of how many inductees would vote for jdno. a lot. joe walsh, the cure, rem, nin, eurythmics, talking heads, u2, depeche mode, blondie, the clash pretenders duran duran elvis costello and the police. prpbably a lot more too im blanking on. on top of their soaring critical acclaim, theyll be seen by the industry executive voters. same goes for kate bush and warren zevon as well

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:36pm

Mat R,

Here's the current standings in the online fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. Joy Division/New Order
9. The Spinners
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Warren Zevon
6. Rage Against The Machine
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. George Michael
2. Willie Nelson
1. Cyndi Lauper

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:37pm

Mat R,

I think you're underestimating Cyndi Lauper's chances and overestimating Kate Bush's chances, Cyndi is currently in the lead in the online fan vote and nearly every fan vote winner has gotten inducted in the same year except Dave Matthews Band, so I see Cyndi getting in this year, as well as she should be, I think that Kate Bush will get the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year, In other words, She'll get in as Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did, rather than as a Performer.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:42pm

richie

i don't think i am. the reason she is where she is is because i'm thinking it's a 6 person performer class (with Kate going in as either - that's why she's so high because i'm confident she goes in somehow)

I think there are 2 locks beyond Kate (90% chance or better), 3 very strong contenders (65% or better), and 5 50/50 acts where it's kind of an open field. Her issue is the actual votes cause you gotta remember: she's 80s pop and two very big contenders are 80s pop and they had better careers than her and she's got a kinda diva reputation.

Fan vote doesn't matter much sure Dave Matthews is the only #1 to miss but Fela missed in 2021, NIN in 2015, Benatar in 2020. That's a good number of runner ups missing

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 22:58pm

It's the first day of the fan vote. And, given what they did to the Crue, the fan vote in the end means jack...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 23:00pm

Mat R,

but I classify Kate Bush as 80's Alternative, rather than as 80's Pop, Cyndi and George Michael are both 80's Pop/MTV stars, so I see them both getting in this year continuing the trend of inducting 80's MTV icons in recent years.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 23:05pm

Hey guys, I haven't been here for awhile. Good comments. If you are interested, I have a YouTube channel called Amity Tracks which covers music. I just posted a video on this batch of nominees with my thoughts and predictions. Would love it if you wanted to check it out and comment with your thoughts and predictions. Finally Joy Division/New Order. Figured they'd do that after Small Faces/Faces. I've also argued for years for Willie Nelson. If Cash is in, it makes sense to have Willie.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 23:11pm

Richie

Kate is alt pop which is a flavour of pop also the MTV icon thing didn't get Benatar or the Eurythmics in on ballot 1 and hasn't gotten Devo in and Judas Priest and LL Cool J had to take a side category. There's no science to the MTV thing

It's a competitive ballot richie

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 23:13pm

Mat R,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoilers: Missy Elliott, Rage Against The Machine

I just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO, because The B-52's and INXS have had more commercial success in America than JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that there'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/1/2023 @ 23:21pm

Repeating a comment over and over doesn't make it a fact. Joy Division/New Order had commercial success in America and are hugely influential to the medium. Last year everyone was saying the Eurythmics wouldn't get in because of Duran Duran being on the same ballot. They went in, and the committee has a mission to get in all the big names in 80s new wave. Your little perception may not see it, but Joy Division/New Order are on that pantheon with Eurythmics, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, the Cure and the Cars. Repeat that silly copy and paste comment all you want, it doesn't make it the least bit true.

Let's change the subject so Richie quits repeating himself guys...who, if anyone, is the biggest shock to you on this ballot? I have to personally say Warren Zevon. Not because he wasn't worthy, he definitely should have gone in years ago when he was still alive, but because the Hall did finally get back to correcting one oversight even if they create 4 or 5 more in the process...like Bad Company, Foreigner, Kansas, et al.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 00:43am

K-Dawg,

but JD/NO are not on the same level as The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, I think that The B-52's and INXS are more on the same level as The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, I see JD/NO more on the same level as Devo, The Smiths, The Replacements, Pixies and Sonic Youth, acts that were massively influential, but lack the commercial success in America that other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts have had, so I see JD/NO taking a few tries to get in just like The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode and Eurythmics.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 00:54am

Iron Maiden could increase the chances of Dio.

Sheryl Crow could increase the chances of more album rock revivalists like Alanis Morrissette, Hootie & the Blowfish, and Counting Crows

Soundgarden could increase the chances of more grunge bands like Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, and Smashing Pumpkins

Joy Division/New Order could increase the chances of more post punk like the Smiths, Echo & the Bunnymen, and the Psychedelic Furs

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 02:06am

Richie, just stop with your take on Joy Division-New Order.

I agree with K-Dawg, Joy Division-New Order made innovation by being one first Post-Punk bands to embrace synthesizers and helped shaped on the New Wave, Synthpop, and also Alternative genres. They are also widely influential and made in impact on not just their home country, but on America as well. I have seen the artwork of their album "Unknown Pleasure" plaster every from t-shirts and posters, and is also recognizable and iconic the same way as "Abbey Road" and "The Dark Side of the Moon". And also, "Blue Monday" is still being played everywhere in not just the radio, but on movie trailers and needle drops in movies and TV shows.

So please, Richie, stop downplaying Joy Division-New Order. Downplaying them just make sound like you don't want them inducted and they are undeserving. The band(s) deserve induction and I hope they do this year (along with Missy Elliot and A Tribe Called Quest).

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 02:31am

K-Dawg

To answer your question, The White Stripes are my biggest surprise to see on the ballot because of the weird technicality on the eligibility date this year.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 02:33am

The Stripes first single was in 1998.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 02:45am

Madonna has her dubut in 1983 and she is inducted in 2008. So can the White Stripes.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 02:48am

Yeah, but they are still using 1997 as the "25 year rule" for this year because of a change in schedule in 2020. We didn't even predict the 1998 eligible artists and we expected them for next year's ballot.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:03am

Forgot to add that the Hall also unexpected made this rule change and we know of this in the announcement. So yeah, I'm sticking The White Stripes as my biggest surprise for this year's ballot.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:06am

John RC,

Very true. I don't think any of the regulars on the FRL board had picked them. We all had them in line for 2024. Maybe they're thinking Coldplay won't get in their FYE if there's competition. And the weird Green Day situation of their induction way too early comes to mind as well. Technically, they were eligible back in 2014, but they had neither the influences nor the biggest album hits of theirs to go in.

Thank you for telling our tape recorded statement individual to tone it down. If I told him Ian Curtis had Stiff Person Syndrome, I think he'd be all over that nomination (sorry if that's out of bounds, I got tired of his Celine Dion argment concurrently).

So, everyone. Let's not focus so much on predictions of who's going in. There's a plethora of other topics about this very deserving class that we can tackle. We've got 3 months, so let's make it interesting!

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:11am

The change of time of declararion of nominees may cause the White Stripes situation.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:18am

If Soundgarden and RATM are inducted in, who will be the next 90's rock bands to be inducted?

Posted by chasingWildcat on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:19am

PREDICTIONS
Missy Elliot
Sheryl Crow
Joy Division & New Order
Willie Nelson
The Spinners
Warren Zevon
The White Stripes

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:37am

I wonder how many nominees will be inducted in as there are only 14 nominees. I think only 6 nominees will be inducted.

There are no clear headliners in this year.

I believe Fela Kuti, MC5, New York Dolls all have chances to be inducted by Musical Excellence or Early Influence this year.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 03:53am

I think there will be 7 this year. Too stacked of a ballot to just consider 6. I also feel people are underestimating Rage's chance and that's not me being a Rage fanboy.

Right now at the moment of feeling:

Willie Nelson (Duh)
JD/NO (Come on Richie all the past new wave inductees have led to this one in particular)
Kate Bush (Strong hype, strong year)
The White Stripes (Pretty slam dunk as FYE now)
Rage Against The Machine (Tour coming up and so far the fan vote plus voting committee seem to suggest they still staying power)
Soundgarden (At least one previous Top 5 vote getter gets in and Soundgarden is the strongest in this case)
Cyndi Lauper (Eventually winner of fan vote and the token woman inductees with Kate Bush. There is no way the Hall will just have two.)

Wildcard: Warren Zevon

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 05:55am

K-Dawg,
As far as who is the most shocking nominee, I have to personally say it's NOT Warren Zevon. He is worthy, he definitely should have gone in years ago when he was still alive, the Hall did finally get back to correcting one oversight. That's Not the most shocking. The most shocking nominee to me is the White Stripes cause of the 25 year rule. But since the schedule for a ceremony has been changed they are eligible. Eligibility is at the end of a year. White Stripes are eligible late this year 2023. BUT I am not predicting them. Its too soon for induction. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 06:00am

Stripes are most shocking

I think they induct 6

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 06:54am

Mat R,

I think that they will induct 7 again this year, They would be inducting half of the ballot this year, but I just think it's too stacked of a ballot this year to induct only 6 this year, so I think that they will induct 7 again this year, as well as they should be.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 07:17am

Richie

Possible for sure especially if say no people of colour are in the top 6 (which is a worry of mine) but I'm thinking if the top 6 look good then they'll do 6 to avoid a 24 hour long ceremony like last year

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 08:57am

Mat R,

Please predict 7 inductees again this year instead of 6, It would really mean the world to me if you predicted 7 inductees this year instead of 6, So please predict 7 inductees again this year instead of 6 just in case.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 09:01am

Richie

I don't have any to be honest. This is a very unpredictable class everyone is pretty capable of being inducted

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 09:29am

What do you think a performance slot looks like for each artist, if they were to be inducted?

Cyndi Lauper - Definitely shows up and performs. Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, Time After Time, True Colors is an easy three song set.

George Michael - Obviously would get some huge names for a tribute performance. A few likely picks would be someone like Sam Smith, Justin Timberlake, Harry Styles even. You could work in Alicia Keys and/or Elton John. Definitely room for some out of the box picks here, but I haven't thought about it that deeply. Plenty of possibilities. Careless Whisper, Faith, Freedom! 90 is also an easy three song set, though I could see Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go sneaking in because let's face it, this will be an unofficial Wham! induction as well.

Sheryl Crow - 100% shows up and performs. All I Wanna Do and If It Makes You Happy will for sure be on the set. Soak Up the Sun could be #3, but I could also see Sheryl throwing a little more of a deep cut in there.

Willie Nelson - He is still actively touring and performing at 90, so I think it's reasonable to expect he performs assuming he is healthy enough this fall. A likely set of his would be something like Whiskey River, Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys, On the Road Again.

Warren Zevon - A lot of different people that could be involved in a tribute. He collaborated pretty closely with Fleetwood Mac, Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne, The Eagles and R.E.M. at various points, among others, so there are many who could show up. Werewolves of London and Lawyers, Guns and Money seem like safe bets for a tribute.

Missy Elliott - She doesn't perform live that often these days, but she seemed very enthusiastic about her nomination, so I think she's down for a performance. The Rain, Work It, Get Ur Freak On is an easy three song set.

Joy Division/New Order - Some questions about what a reunion would look like given Peter Hook being at odds with the rest of the group, but he expressed some optimism about setting things aside for the ceremony. I think an appearance is up in the air, but we'll see. I think the set is Love Will Tear Us Apart, Blue Monday, Age of Consent.

The White Stripes - Jack White would be a lock to perform. Meg..... I mean her reclusiveness makes Kate Bush look like a highly visible public figure. She hasn't made any kind of public appearance, let alone played live, in over a decade. I'm inclined towards no. Seven Nation Army has to be on there, and there are plenty of well known songs to fill out the set (Fell in Love with a Girl, Icky Thump, Blue Orchid, etc.) but I also see Jack choosing some deeper cuts for the set. Side note Jack White getting in before Tom Morello would be another classic example of artists going in way out of order lol

A Tribe Called Quest - I think they certainly make an appearance, with Busta Rhymes filling in for Phife Dawg. Award Tour, Can I Kick It?, Electric Relaxation probably make it in. If it's some kind of medley, it would be amazing to see Scenario and maybe something from their comeback album get in there.

Iron Maiden - Do they show up and in what capacity? I'm not familiar enough with the inner workings of this band to know, but Number of the Beast/The Trooper/Run to the Hills would make a hell of a set.

Soundgarden - I think it would be something similar to the Nirvana induction, with the band playing with multiple vocalists filling in for Cornell. Grohl and maybe Josh Homme are probably involved here in some way, though I would love to see them think outside the box the way they did with Nirvana. Black Hole Sun, Spoonman, Rusty Cage?

Kate Bush - Obviously we shouldn't expect her to make the trip, but you never know, she has seemed genuinely touched by the acclaim over the last year and maybe this honor would be the thing to get her back on stage. If not, there are so many art-pop singers over the last few decades that would be thrilled to pay tribute. Running Up That Hill, This Woman's Work, Cloudbusting. Wuthering Heights if either her or her tribute performances voice can do it justice.

The Spinners - They do still tour, but with only one member of the classic lineup remaining, so maybe they do perform. If not, they could have a lot of fun with tribute artists. I'm imagining like an Anderson Paak-led tribute with Bruno Mars and Lizzo on vocals. There's a lot of potential here. Could It Be I'm Falling In Love?, I'll Be Around, Rubber Band Man

Rage Against the Machine - Yeah they'd perform. Bulls on Parade, Testify, Killing in the Name? Bombtrack could be a good option too.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 09:59am

K-Dawg,

I was very big on Warren Zevon in my predictions, so he wasn't super unexpected for me, super glad he made the ballot

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 10:19am

Chasingwildcat,

If rage and Soundgarden are inducted, or both get in, I think Alice In Chains has to be next. Popular band, still active with their new singer Will DuVall, and much more critically acclaimed than Weezer, Oasis, or Blink 182. The only question would be if the post Layne albums help or hurt them, which I'm not sure of. But they're a very well connected band as well, friends in Nirvana, Pearl Jam, heart, and potentially rage and Soundgarden if they're inducted.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 10:29am

For comparison's sake:

Platinum singles:

JD/NO - 2 - Love Will Tear Us Apart, Blue Monday
INXS - 1 - Never Tear Us Apart (5x in Australia)
B-52's - 1 - Love Shack

US Top 10 singles:

JD/NO - 0
INXS - 7 (including 1 #1 single - Need You Tonight)
B-52's - 2

Us Dance chart top 10 singles:

JD/NO - 14
INXS - 0
B-52's - 0

Highest ranking songs on Sirius/XM's Top 1000 Alternative Rock Songs:

JD/NO - # 2 - Love Will Tear Us Apart (Behind only Smells Like Teen Spirit), # 42 - Blue Monday
INXS - # 256 - Need You Tonight
B-52's - # 160 - Love Shack

Looks to me like Joy Division/New Order has as much an argument for induction as INXS or the B-52's.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 10:50am

SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR RATES AND CRITIQUES
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10 - Missy Elliott
8 - Joy Division/New Order
8 - A Tribe Called Quest
7 - Iron Maiden
7 - The Spinners
7 - The White Stripes
6 - Kate Bush
6 - Cyndi Lauper
6 - George Michael
6 - Willie Nelson
6 - Rage Against The Machine
6 - Soundgarden
6 - Warren Zevon
3 - Sheryl Crow

Critiques and Ratings (12 pages)

150 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Candidates by Sampson of Digital Dream Door

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THE CURRENT ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME QUALIFICATION SCALE
BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

10 - The Immortals
9 - Deserves To Be A First Ballot Lock
8 - Should Be Guaranteed An Induction
7 - An Eventual Induction Is Likely
6 - Should Be Nominated At Some Point
5 - Worthy Of At Least A Debate For A Nomination
4 - Not Insignificant, But Shouldn't Be Nominated
3 - No Business Being Debated By Committee
2 - No Business Being Even Mentioned
1 - No Business Visiting The Hall Of Fame Without a Ticket

THE OLD ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME QUALIFICATION SCALE
BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

1 - Non-existant
2 - Mostly Insignificant
3 - Recognizable, But Minor Credentials
4 - Modest Accomplishments
5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
6 - Strong Case To Be Made
7 - Solid Choice
8 - Unquestioned Credentials
9 - Dominant Artist
10 - The Immortals

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• Candidates A-C
• Candidates C-F
• Candidates G-K
• Candidates L-P
• Candidates P-S
• Candidates T-Z
• Unlikely Candidates
• Sidemen Candidates
• Early Influences
• Outside Genre
• Non-Performers
• Inductees 1986-Present

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 10:56am

SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR RATES AND CRITIQUES
THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2023.html

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 11:01am

NBC TODAY SHOW - The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2023 nominees are...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm8B8CfjVFA

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 11:15am

What do you guys think of potential inductors for these noms?

Tribe: them + Missy break the Dr Dre induction speech trend for sure. With tribe, I'd see them going for someone big, but who's music actually connects with the group. So like Kendrick Lamar or Tyler the Creator

Missy Elliot: I'm admittedly unfamiliar with Missy Elliot outside of get ur freak on. But I got a feeling they'd ask Megan Thee Stallion to do the speech.

Kate: I'd hope they go with someone influenced by her music, within that lineage like Björk, Tori Amos, collaborators like David Gilmour Peter Gabriel Elton John, but they'll ask like some big modern pop artist that i don't like bc they need to sell tickets.

Maiden: like last year they had Alice Cooper inducting priest, it'll be a different hard rock or metal legend. Maybe members of Metallica,

Soundgarden: definitely someone from Seattle. I think what I'd see happening is Nancy Wilson or Eddie Vedder.

Rage: hmm. Wouldn't it be funny if Fred Durst did it lmao. In all seriousness, i think Chuck D is a pretty good choice. Kerry King was in the priest video so it could be him for rage, or also maiden as well

Zevon: the obvious answer is Jackson Browne, but they like To milk the Bruce connection for all he's worth. And Bruce is Not a band choice either

JD/NO: Trent Reznor. His speech for the cure was perfect, and he's become kind of a friend of the rock hall.

Spinners: they're a very Questlove nomination. Nobody else could do that induction

White Stripes: iggy pop would be cool. Detroit legends, passing the torch, he's been a friend of the rock hall in the past as well

George Micheal: Elton John, don't let the sun go down on me would make an awesome tribute performance as well

Cyndi: billy Joel would be a very big one, he's always been a fan and supporter but if not him, then some current pop star idk.


Sheryl Crow: I see Taylor Swift as a big one. Idk if they've ever worked together.

Finally Willie Nelson: Garth Brooks maybe? Idk I'm very lost when it comes to non rock country music.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 11:23am

MSNBC - Joy Division, Missy Elliott, Willie Nelson are 2023 Rock Hall nominees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5vcSxs84sg

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 11:45am

Will m

No Elton. It has to be Carly Rae Jepsen upstaging Sam smith

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 12:55pm

Rg

Jack has said he isn't interested and probably won't show up. He also said meg won't

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 13:08pm

Mat r

I'm picturing it rn,

Induction Speech: Elton speaking about how lovely George was, donating to charity making awesome music queer icon (literally learned this all last night btw) mentions the homophobia thing made him a joke

Video package: lil nas x, Sam smith appear, Andrew ridgely talks a lot about wham,

Sam smith starts on Freedom
Carly Rae Jepsen comes out for wake me up w Andy

Elton with piano, Carly singing George's parts on dont let the sun go down, absolutely breaks the internet like Taylor swift and Carly Simon, Olivia rodrigo singing you're so vain did.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 13:17pm

Don't know why I said Carly instead of Carole King w Taylor swift

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 13:19pm

For the fan vote I went Joy Division/New Order. Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, George Michael and Spinners

I think the inductees will be Kate Bush, Cyndi Lauper, White Stripes, Willi Nelson, and Tribe Called Quest if its 5. If its 6, it will be George Michael

Posted by jayk on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 13:57pm

are we gonna do the inductee draft?

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 14:39pm

I see Kate Bush being this year's LL Cool J/Judas Priest (in other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did the past two years, rather than as a Performer). I think that this is a tough ballot for Kate once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 14:39pm

Can anyone explain why people think Sheryl Crow is getting in on her first try? She feels very bland , not really innovative or a mover. It looks like it could be one of those Dave Matthews Band nod like 4 years ago. Lauper and Bush have a much better chance than her

Posted by jayk on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 14:45pm

ritchie,

I don't think Kate Bush needs the musical excellence in order to get in especially since she had a comeback resurgance last year and that would feel very fresh in voters mind. Voters love a comeback story. See also how the oscars have gotten Brendan Fraser and Ke Huy Quan (the kid from Goonies and Indiana Jones) so much love the past year

Posted by jayk on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 14:55pm

jayk,

im not a sheryl crow fan, i know very little about her and her music. but. she is so well known. well connected. pretty much everyone is friends with her. voters often are biased for who theyre friends with. those connections i believe will push her over into the hall

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 14:56pm

jayk,

but I think that Kate needs Musical Excellence this year because of the competition this year, I think that there are other acts with more name recognition and commercial success in America that have a much better chance of getting in this year as Performers like Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, The White Stripes and Warren Zevon based on the current voting body, so I see Kate getting Musical Excellence this year just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:00pm

Will M,

I don't think the industry connection maybe a tad overated because it didn't help Tom Morello or Beck in those cases. I think voters may also feel that other older acts should get in first and she still feels very early to receive one.

Posted by jayk on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:01pm

are we gonna get a ballot tracker for this year? or are we waiting until physical ballots are actually sent and mailed out?

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:32pm

will m,

an inductee draft is very limited, and would only go a round or 2 if that. I'd like to have a draft of all the acts not chosen, or including these and extending out past it.

Sheryl Crow is not going in this year. Cyndi Lauper has an excellent chance, and Kate Bush is a shoo-in, so that's 2 female acts right there almost guaranteed.

I haven't talked about George Michael yet, I'll expound on him a bit later.

The one trend I'm seeing is the lack of a big name classic rock band this year; Iron Maiden is obviously one, but the metal situation sets them on a separate pedestal from a Bad Company, Foreigner, Boston, Kansas, Blue Oyster Cult, etc. I will mention Warren Zevon on this as well, because he's probably going to have the rock populist vote, but again they shaft Paul Rodgers. It's not a bad list, as almost every act is deserving of induction, but the fact it's only 14 nominees is an outright joke.

Random musings. There will be plenty more to come.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:33pm

K-Dawg,

I think that they'll put Kate Bush in via Musical Excellence this year, I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:36pm

Kate Bush- can't sing
The White Stripes- one of my favorite bands
Missy Elliot- they have enough rap acts as it is
Iron Maiden- they need power metal
Willie Nelson- country legend
Warren Zevon- finish up heartland rock
George Michael- music is unimpressive but not bad
Sheryl Crow- good singer songwriter and major part of the album rock revival
Cyndi Lauper- pop and easy listening musician from the 80s, unimpressive
Soundgarden- shame that it's taken this long, especially now that Cornell is gone
The Spinners- their music is nice
A Tribe Called Quest- again, they have enough rap as it is
Rage Against the Machine- tolerable as they are a hybrid of rap and metal
Joy Division/New Order- would be exciting to see more post punk

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:39pm

I am thrilled Cyndi Lauper finally got nominated. I loved her music when I was a kid and still do. I hope she gets inducted this year. Long overdue.

Posted by Chris on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:43pm

I don't know why people are doubting Sheryl. She's literally the most commercially successful artist on the ballot (Tuesday night music club moved 7 million units and pretty everything for the 15 years after went multi platinum or platinum) Has been consistently having rock, country, and pop hit for almost 30 years. First 3 albums are very well liked critical (she's on the rolling stone 500). She's pretty much as strong a contender as anyone.

Garrus

Wtf you saying about Kate Bush?

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:51pm

I sampled Kate's work and do not like her voice

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:53pm

Garrus, you're usually a source of either pointless rambling or long lists, but did you just literally type that Kate Bush can't sing??????????????????????????

You probably should think about how many people have been run off for stupid comments on the Internet in its history...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:53pm

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Rage Against The Machine will be canceled out by Soundgarden, The White Stripes feel more like Radiohead than Nirvana/Green Day/Pearl Jam/Foo Fighters, I just don't see Missy Elliott as a FYE inductee, so she's out, I also just don't see JD/NO getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's and INXS have had more commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body, I don't think that there'll be a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted this year, so ATCQ is out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:55pm

Saying you don't like her voice is fine. I can't stand Ronnie James Dio's voice or Sheena Easton's for example, but they can sing. So can Kate Bush

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:56pm

Mat r,

absoluely agreed. just like eminem (never thought id make this comparison), shes a commerical and also critical force that cant be denied,

Garrus,

thats just wromg, like objectively incorrect about kate lmao. you can dislike her music if you want, but she can sing her heart out, one of my all time favorite vocalists

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 15:58pm

Disappointed Bad Company was not nominated. It should have been their year for nomination. I don't see Paul Rodgers inducted twice so I hope he gets in with Bad Company. Agree with Richie about Kate Bush. I don't see her being inducted on this strong of a ballot. Most likely Musical Excellence. I also don't see Joy Division/New order as an automatic. It took Depeche Mode a couple kicks at the can to earn induction. Even a slam dunk like Beck and Radiohead did not earn induction 1st time around. I would have loved to see Bryan Adams or INXS nominated. Mariah Carey not earning a nomination was a little shocking. I thought it would be her year. Iron Maiden intrigues me as they could have built up a strong vote total from the British block of HOF voters. They usually are mentioned as 1 of most music fans FAV heavy metal group for those who aren't the biggest metal fans. Enjoyed Roy's displaying of possible Induction combinations. It should be an outstanding class whatever combination. I would have liked to see Salt N Pepa instead of Missy Elliott. They were 1 of the pioneers of women rappers and had platinum albums. I'm surprised they were not nominated. RRHOF has been fortunate with this backlog. They should have strong classes for the next 10-15 years. Willie Nelson definitely benefited from Dolly Parton's recent induction. Her induction was a grand success and Country Western artist legends are now given more consideration. Plus, Willie's turning 90 end of April. Should be a great birthday and celebration for Willie.
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:03pm

How many of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden and Iron Maiden) do you think will get in this year?. I think that they'll induct 4 of the 5 this year and I'd bet on Cyndi, George, Willie and Soundgarden getting in this year and Iron Maiden being the one that misses out on induction again this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:17pm

Okay this is the year Angela bofill, to be a winner for 2023. Nominated for Angela bofill, was submitted last year. She had a lot of fans, had submitted her to win in 2023. So did you submit her nomination . It will be a disappointment , if Angela bofill , donnot win the 2023 hall.

Posted by Kim Smith on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:33pm

sheryl over alanis? lol

Posted by akeem on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:35pm

What a joke. Where's Dan Fogelberg? Have you not added him in as eligible since he passed and you forgot about him? You remember every artist but him. Fiox this or there will be a lawsuit. I am voting for George Michael, The Spinners (long overdue), Warren Zevon. You see I love and follow the music and have for years (I'm 64 years old) and I still get Billboard magazine. For you to leave out an artist who died of cancer and when he was alive contributed many lasting songs and albums. Kate Bush is not deserving of a couple of unique odd albums. Fix this now!

Also adding rap is a travesty as there should be a Rap Hall of Fame.

Posted by Thomas Markel on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:44pm

Come on legends, give it to my favorite singer of all times ., Angela bofill. Legends hall of fame winner should be Angela bofill. Come on Angela bofill let's get this 2023 win. U have a lot of fan base, still supporting you. Since last year as well.

Posted by Gracie Smith on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:47pm

I think a lot of people say Sheryl Crow is going in because she plays the game with the Rock Hall and she has a lot of connections in the music industry. She's basically this year's Lionel Richie.

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:50pm

Come on legends, give it to my favorite singer of all times ., Angela bofill. Legends hall of fame winner should be Angela bofill. Come on Angela bofill let's get this 2023 win. U have a lot of fan base, still supporting you. Since last year as well.

Posted by Gracie Smith on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:50pm

I think this year's Lionel Richie is George Michael. A solo artist who achieved some major success, but also had a career as part of a group. To be fair, WHAM doesn't have the credentials for the RRHOF that the Commodores do.

And, on a side note, we'll have time to cover this, but the Spinners are probably going in ME, as the RRHOF finally addresses its glaring abandonment of 70s R and B/funk/soul...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 16:52pm

Who do you think will be this year's LL Cool J/Judas Priest?. I'd bet on Kate Bush getting in via Musical Excellence this year, because this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she will get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:04pm

Richie,

The Spinners or Chaka Khan, or both. Quit trying to validate your silly statement about Kate Bush lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:19pm

My prediction of the 2023 hall , should include Angela bofill. Missy Elliot. George Micheal. Tribe called quest. And spinners. Okay please nominate Angela bofill into the 2023 hall as well too. Hopefully you will do so. Come on Angela bofill, win in 2023.

Posted by Micheal bolds on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:20pm

K-Dawg,

I disagree, I just don't think that Kate has the name recognition and commercial success in America to get in as a Performer over the likes of Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Soundgarden, Rage Against The Machine, Warren Zevon, Sheryl Crow, The White Stripes and Missy Elliott, despite her resurgence that she has had this past year, so I definitely see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:23pm

What's up legends, did my girl Angela bofill win , this for 2023. Say yes Angela bofill is a winner, at all costs. Hopefully you will nominate, Angela bofill with the others, see prediction for 2023 is Angela bofill, tribe called quest, Missy Elliot, George Micheal and Cyndi lauper. Oh yes my girl Angela bofill will take the 2023 hall. Let's win Angie.

Posted by Andre grassity on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:41pm

My 5 nominees for the 2023 legends hall of fame. Is Angela Bofill. Cyndi lauper, tribe called quest. George Micheal, and Missy Elliot. However best of good luck to Angela Bofill.

Posted by Kim Smith on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:48pm

K-dawg

I don't think Richie's statement is unjustified. It is a tough ballot and Kate is kind of depending on those who have ignored by her in the past being impressed by a fluke (but massive) soundtrack hit.

She's definitely got a lot of momentum but she's also got George and Cyndi appealing to poptimist voters and tribe, Missy, and white stripes nabbing critic votes. She can get in on the ballot it but it's hardly a lock.

What is a lock is her going in cause she's definitely the front runner for the jury prize that is music excellence.

If not her (cause she has the votes) probably spinners

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:55pm

It might be a hot take but I'm pretty confident in the spinners. They weren't unexpected but they seem oddly out of place on this ballot, really singlular position. This could get them in on the ballot, or they could be left in the dust. If they fall short on the fan vote, then AME for them, but they're definitely on there for a reason

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:58pm

Sheryl Crow is an interesting case because she's had a ton of success and is well-known in the industry, but was never really an innovator or game changer, just someone who could craft quality songs. She was a backup singer for superstars like Michael Jackson and Don Henley for a decade before her solo career started, so she is super-connected. And the Hall obviously wants to reward her for showing up and being part of the team. It seems 50/50 that she gets in, but it seems that way for all the nominees this year. Guess that's what happens when everyone on the ballot is deserving.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 17:59pm

*made a mistake in my comment. Did not mean to refer to fan vote. Meant the just standard regular vote

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:00pm

Btw I think it's important to note here

Kate Bush for the first time, since 2018, in her rock hall journey is not the most acclaimed artist on the ballot and she might not even be in the top 5. Joy division and new order and white stripes are both more acclaimed than her on acclaimed and missy has in recent years arguably surpassed her too (get your freak on top 10 all time song according to rolling stone)....tribe maybe too

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:03pm

Mat r

I think you hit the nail on the head with your take on Kate Bush. She has as good a chance as she ever will to make it in this year. She's the only nominated artist who's had a top ten hit in the last 15 years and that's got to count for something. Like everyone else, I expect her to get in via ME if she's not voted in, because if she's not voted in this year she never will be.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:17pm

If Cyndi Lauper and George Michael both get in this year, Who do you think will be the next 80's MTV icons in line for nomination and induction next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:33pm

ritchie,

i guess billy idol, but he shouldnt really be pigeonholed by that

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:48pm

Mat R and Will M,

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of any of the acts nominated this year for 2023 getting in this year next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:59pm

Mat R and Will M,

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of any of the acts nominated this year for 2023 getting in this year next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:59pm

Mat R and Will M,

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of any of the acts nominated this year for 2023 getting in this year next year for 2024?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 18:59pm

Richie

Male: Billy idol, Phil Collins, or Bryan Adams probably. Billy squire, Robert Palmer, and Ozzy Osbourne seem possible.

Female: Cher or Sade.

Group: Motley Crue, Huey Lewis and the news, inxs

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:00pm

If Warren Zevon gets in this year, Do you think that Harry Nilsson would be next in line and probably the last 70's Singer-Songwriter to get nominated and inducted next year for 2024, It will be 30 years after his death next year (He died in 1994), so do you think that if Zevon gets in this year, that Nilsson would be the last 70's Singer-Songwriter that gets nominated and inducted next year in 2024?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:07pm

ritchie,

now we are getting into more interesting discussions, thank you. i gotta be honest, despite being a massive beatle maniac i havent gotten into nillson yet, same with bad finger. love the hits just havent gotten into them. theyre beatles connections do give them more of a chance compared to contemporaries like dan fogelberg or raspberries. obviously, john lennon and keith moon are gone, but ringo and alice cooper could very much advocate for nillson if they wanted, ringo and paul could also pull one out for badfinger. if nillson got in, what would they do for 3 dog night? actually, nillson would be a perfect AME because of his songwriting credits, one, jump into the fire, without you, etc.

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:29pm

Do you guys think that The Spinners could surprise this year because they're the only R&B act nominated this year unlike the previous three times that they have been nominated (in 2012, they had to go up against Rufus With Chaka Khan, Donna Summer and War, in 2015, they had to go up against Chic, The Marvelettes, War again and Bill Withers (who was the only one of that group that got in that year) and in 2016 (the first year that Classic Rock dominated the nominee and inductee list), they had to go up against Chic again, The J.B.'s, Janet Jackson and Chaka Khan (solo), but this year is different, They have the R&B slot all to themselves, so do you think that they could surprise and get in this year and break the logjam of 70's R&B/Soul acts and open the floodgates for more acts from that era to get in if The Spinners get in this year?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:41pm

Richie

Yes actually. They've been gone for a while and I think a lot of older voters might favour them.

I like they're unlikely but a dark horse

Very good ballot

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:43pm

that was exactly my thought ritchie. unlike everyone else who has someone similar, theres no one like the spinners. theyd have voter support from pretty much every rnb artist, and maybe philly and detroit acts too like todd rundgren. theyll sneak in there, which im very excited for. i just hope they dont end up like a dominoes situation in 97, being forced out for a big name

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:48pm

Nominating Committee member Amy Linden revealed the standings for the nominating committee's vote for the nominees this year on her podcast ImmaLetYouFinish yesterday and they are:

1. Missy Elliott
2. Kate Bush
3. Willie Nelson
4. Rage Against The Machine
5. The White Stripes
6. Iron Maiden
7. Soundgarden
8. Cyndi Lauper
9. Joy Division/New Order
10. Sheryl Crow
11. The Spinners
12 (tie): A Tribe Called Quest, Warren Zevon, George Michael

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:53pm

That list is very interesting, personally I'd hate to read that I was ranked 12th if was tribe or the Zevon or Micheal estates. Notice how the spinners aren't last… I got a feeling they're gonna get in and suprise a lot of people. I'd seriously bet money on that. Missy being 1, not that suprising, Kate being 2, is very very good and, just like I expected, they can't pass her up. This ranking means absolutely nothing for induction potential, but it's cool to hear more transparency. What I'd really love is to know what other artists were discussed

Posted by Will M on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 19:58pm

Seems reasonable on the committee although I think having George Michael way at the bottom seems too low considering hes the biggest record seller and chart topper among all the nominees. I think there are people here underestimating Kate Bush's resurgance from Stranger Things since she and Willie Nelson are most likely the sure thing of getting induction. We also undersestimate black artists here in the website so Missy Elliot getting in wont be a shocker

Posted by jayk on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 20:05pm

Here's the current standings in the online fan vote:

14. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Missy Elliott
12. The White Stripes
11. Kate Bush
10. The Spinners
9. Joy Division/New Order
8. Sheryl Crow
7. Warren Zevon
6. Rage Against The Machine
5. Iron Maiden
4. Soundgarden
3. Willie Nelson
2. George Michael
1. Cyndi Lauper

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 20:05pm

Jayk

Other than Richie I think everyone has said both Kate, Richie, and missy have very good chances at induction

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 21:04pm

Mat,
Did you mean someone else when you said Richie had good chances?

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 21:29pm

https://twitter.com/blacklodgedance/status/1521830325524987906

According to Casper from last year, Here's what he said about last year's class:

This inductee crop tells us that the current voting body is very poptimist and populist, favoring all these acts (but not Warwick) over the more cutting edge, left of center acts that made up rest of ballot

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 21:31pm

I think one of the nominees is going to get the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 22:51pm

Follower,

And I think that it will be Kate Bush that gets the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 22:55pm

The inductees should be-

Soundgarden
The Spinners
George Michael
Sheryl Crow
Iron Maiden
Rage against the Machine
Missy Elliot

No to Willie Nelson. While Country music is one of Rock music's building blocks, I believe that the only Country inductees should be earlier artists and influences like Johnny Cash or Patsy Cline. Country music has its own prominent Hall of Fame to induct its performers. I wouldn't have inducted Dolly Parton either.

Warren Zevon made some good music, but mostly lacked commercial success . Kate Bush also had limited success in America. I wouldn't support either being inducted.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 02/2/2023 @ 23:37pm

Willie Nelson is going in. He deserves it, but the list of country artists I support going in is short and sweet. Maybe Kenny Rogers, and patsy cline is a glaring omission, but should be early influence. The next ones would possibly be Shania Twain, Leanne Rimes, and obviously Taylor Swift.

The Spinners stand a freak chance of being ME'd this year. I'd accept that to get them off the logjam, and maybe the Meters, Ohio players and chaka khan finally get their due

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 00:54am

Great chance. Not freak chance

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 00:55am

K-Dawg,

I just don't see The Spinners getting Musical Excellence this year, I see it being Kate Bush, as well as it should be.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 01:19am

Richie,

There can be more than one ME. And I know, for the 80th time, you're picking Kate Bush. I maintain she'll be probably one of the main nominees. No need to keep telling me lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 01:34am

Only 1/3 of the artists are recycled. This has pros and cons.

PROS
It gives overlooked artists a chance
It allows for more variety
It introduces new artists, especially lesser or forgotten ones

CONS
It prolongs the wait for snubbed artists, especially those rejected many times

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 02:48am

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliot
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Willie Nelson.
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush-I think she will get in with this method. She has a resurgence BUT this is a rough ballot for her
Iron Maiden- There is a strong trend for Heavy Metal in this method

Early Influence: Tony Bennett
the Diamonds
the Spinners

Respond respond. What are your opinions EVERYONE?

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 04:16am

K-Dawg,

I regret that I left out Cyndi Lauper. I love her music In the 80s. BUT I made this kind of mistake in 2020 with PAT Benatar. I love her BUT she failed due to Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston and T. rex INDUCTED. And soo I leave CYNDI out due to priorities

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 06:55am

Ben,

I think that you should take out Joy Division/New Order and add Cyndi Lauper on to your predictions for the 2023 inductees, As much as I love JD/NO, I just don't see them getting in right away, I think that they're gonna be more like The Smiths and Devo than The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, so for that reason, I think that you should swap out JD/NO for Cyndi, I think that she's getting in right away this year, as well as she should be.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 06:59am

Ritchie,

i have no idea how youre comments dont get blocked by the spam filter i feel like you say the same things every time, you have to be copy pasting

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 07:09am

Richie, please stop with your Joy Division-New Order nonsense already. Stop saying that they're a second rate act after I provided you explanations why they are very important.

And also, don't pressure people to not predict them just because they don't think the same way as you do. Everyone is entitled to predict who they think is right.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 07:25am

As of right now, this is who I'm predicting at the moment:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Joy Division-New Order
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon

If 7: The White Stripes

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 07:27am

I feel like a Zevon tribute would be the highlight of the night. Start out with Letterman giving the most heartfelt, incredible speech. It has to be letterman, he mentioned Zevon while inducting Pearl Jam and ofc Paul Schaffer would use that connection. Then video package tribute, has the enjoy every sandwich clip. An idea I have would be Mills Berry and Buck are the backing band for all the performances because of the REM Zevon connection, Hindu love gods and the sentimental hygiene albums. Billy Joel comes out for Werewolves of London, Jackson brown takes the mic for lawyers guns n money, Micheal Stipe sings on Keep me in your heart, creating an REM reunion in the process. This would be the ideal but it might Not happen like that but I'd love for this scenario

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 07:53am

I think that people are underestimating Sheryl Crow and Cyndi Lauper's chances for induction and overestimating Kate Bush (as a Performer) and Joy Division/New Order's chances for induction this year, I think the goal for the Rock Hall is to have big names for the HBO ceremony that can sell tickets and be big draws at the ceremony and the Rock Hall is more focused on commercialism these days, so I think that Willie Nelson and George Michael are locks and Sheryl Crow, Missy Elliott and Cyndi Lauper are very likely, and Warren Zevon will get in too and maybe either Soundgarden or The White Stripes (most likely Soundgarden, I can see The White Stripes waiting a year just like Radiohead did).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 08:00am

My updated predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here).

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did).

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that they'll be more like The Smiths and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 08:41am

Curious what do you guys think the nomination of Zevon says about the classic rock slot. Zevon isn't exactly a populist artist and he got the nomination over like guess who, foreigner, Boston, blue oyster cult, and more interestingly over harry Nilsson.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 10:50am

I think we broke Richie. He's become unresponsive except for certain keywords. And no one comments on his copy and pasted diatribe so he fishes again and again.

Let's continue with the shock of the ballot. Anyone else see a name that caught them by surprise? Not necessarily one you don't or didn't see as a candidate, just that you didn't expect them to be on here now, if ever?

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 10:50am

Mat R,

Zevon is a deserving entrant. I hope the classic rock slot isn't vacated, because there's still a chunk of artists worthy of induction, notably Bad Company, Foreigner, and arguably Boston, BOC and Kansas, but they also put in the Spinners on the list and maybe are shunting them in as 70s music in general.

As much as George Michael is arguably deserving of a spot, along with Cyndi Lauper, it seems they are trying to grab every artist that made a name from an already saturated 80s representation. I'll probably save this point for a future point of reference, but as we've said, the 70s, despite a large catalog of artists already in, were cherry picked largely. The 80s have been gone over extensively. With the exception of new wave and the teeny bop phase (which still may get some representation, who knows), anyone who had any influence in the 80s is 90 percent in already.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 10:55am

How many of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson and Soundgarden) do you think will get in this year?. I'd bet on 4 of the 5 getting in this year with Cyndi, George, Willie and Soundgarden getting in this year and Iron Maiden being the one that misses out on induction once again this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 11:18am

Mat r;

Zevon is a VERY critics pick. And I'm all for that. (Even tho a lot of the critical old guard like Wenner can't stand him) I think he's been very embraced by newer critics and the pitchfork crowd. On top of his adoration by the likes of bob Dylan Jackson Browne Bruce Springsteen the eagles Fleetwood Mac REM and ofc Billy Joel who seems to have been the biggest push. I really love Warren Zevon. What can't be understated is the letterman connection, Paul Schaffer I can imagine was very supportive. All these connections clearly went a long way. Blue Oyster Cult has the Patti Smith, and lenny Kaye connection, and Nillson has the very important Beatles connections in addition to Alice Cooper. The Beatles connection is practically equal to everyone Zevon was in with. Just like billy Preston tho, I see Harry Nillson going straight through musical excellence, maybe after a push from Ringo and Paul

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 11:30am

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here).

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did).

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated instead of JD/NO because The B-52's and INXS have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America than JD/NO, I think that they'll be more like The Smiths and Devo and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 12:20pm

K-Dawg,

Honestly, I didn't find any artist on this ballot very shocking, aside from The White Stripes for obvious reasons.

I got 8 artists right on my prediction (George, Sheryl, Willie, Missy, JD/NO, Soundgarden, Kate, RATM).

Maiden, Tribe, and Cyndi I all figured would be in the next couple years but could easily have subbed in on my list - for the Metal lane I overthought it and thought they might go for Motorhead instead, Tribe I left off because I assumed Outkast would be in, and I thought they would go for Mariah or Cher before Cyndi.

Zevon and Spinners I figured they might have passed by, but both are artists that I had put on my prediction list several times in the past few years.

The White Stripes are the only nom that threw me for a loop, but even then I was eyeing them for an FYE next year.

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 14:17pm

RG,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did).

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO, because The B-52's and INXS have had more commercial success and name recognition in America than JD/NO, I think that they'll be more like The Smiths and Devo and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 14:33pm

The Hall of Fame needs to put artists who clearly did not predominantly perform a type of rock into a separate category. Maybe call it Contributors or Influencers.

EXAMPLES
B.B. King (exclusively blues)
LL Cool J (exclusively rap)
Marvin Gaye (exclusively soul)

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 14:44pm

Garrus,

no.

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 14:56pm

RG,

When I say shock, I mean what artist did you not expect? It was more of a surprise reaction, as some acts seem forgotten at times. I agree, every single candidate on this list has cause for induction..

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 15:43pm

K-Dawg,

ok yeah, my answer is Zevon and Spinners then

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 16:29pm

Some geographical stats:

Cyndi Lauper and A Tribe Called Quest would be the 49th & 50th NYC-area inductees.

George Michael, Kate Bush, and Iron Maiden would be the 35th-37th Londoners to be inducted.

Warren Zevon and Rage Against the Machine would be the 30th and 31st Los Angeles inductees.

The White Stripes and The Spinners would be the 16th Detroit-based inductees.

Soundgarden would be the sixth Seattle-area artist inducted, after Jimi Hendrix, The Ventures, Nirvana, Heart, Pearl Jam, and the Foo Fighters.

Sheryl Crow would be the sixth artist from Missouri inducted, after Chuck Berry, Ike & Tina Turner, Tina (solo), and Miles Davis, all from St Louis, and Big Joe Turner from Kansas City.

Missy Elliott would be the second inductee originating from Hampton Roads, VA, after Gene Vincent.

Joy Division/New Order would be the second act from Manchester, after The Hollies.

Willie Nelson started his career moving from city to city, so it is hard to tie him to a specific city. I've counted him with his hometown of Abbott, TX. He would be the tenth Texan artist inducted after Woody Guthrie, Buddy Holly/The Crickets, Roy Orbison, Stevie Ray Vaughan/Double Trouble, Bob Wills/Texas Playboys, The Soul Stirrers, ZZ Top, and Janis Joplin.

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 17:24pm

Now I think those people will be inducted:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
JD/NO (Most inductees relates to punk/post-punk/synth-pop may vote for them)

Posted by chasingWildcat on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 18:44pm

There are only two artists I am truly against, A Tribe Called Quest and Missy Elliott, making this ballot even better.

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 19:02pm

WANT
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Joy Division/New Order

NONPARTISAN
Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against the Machine

AGAINST
Missy Elliott
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 19:29pm

Garrus just let it go with your anti-Rap bias. Hip Hop is here to stay at the Rock Hall and they will continue to nominate/induct Hip Hop acts in the future whether you like it or not.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 19:42pm

WANT
Iron Maiden
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Kate Bush
George Michael
Missy Elliott
Willie Nelson

NONPARTISAN
The White Stripes
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against the Machine
The Spinners
Warren Zevon
A Tribe Called Quest

AGAINST
Sheryl Crow

Posted by MoreThanAFeeling1976 on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 19:43pm

Any artist or official artist account that tries to rig the vote like related should be disqualified

https://twitter.com/GeorgeMOfficial/status/1621223296942342145

Posted by I on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 19:53pm

Question

Early influence I know most think mc5 and NY dolls are likely

But do we think the movie Elvis has an impact and gets either big mama Thornton or Hank Snow in this year?

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 21:06pm

Question

Early influence I know most think mc5 and NY dolls are likely

But do we think the movie Elvis has an impact and gets either big mama Thornton or Hank Snow in this year?

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 21:10pm

So I do this every year. Here is my tier list ranking of the nominees for this year. Hope you agree to disagree. Also to Michael W thank you for keeping my idea alive about favorite inductees a month ago. Been busy and taking my mind off lately. Enjoy!

S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

S: The White Stripes, JD/NO

A: Willie Nelson, Soundgarden, Missy Elliott

B: Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, Iron Maiden, A Tribe Called Quest, George Michael

C: The Spinners, Warren Zevon, Cyndi Lauper, Sheryl Crow

That is all.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 21:17pm

Mat r,

Yes! I think I've said exactly thatbefore on here. That doja cat song was huge this year. It'd be some very good timing, hopefully brings her to the halls attention. The most egregious error the hall has made.

Btw did you guys see the blog post hallwatchers put out recently? FRL shared it to their Twitter. They really hit the nail on the head, lots of points I super agreed on. And ofc hopefully it gets their attention cause it's all problems that really need to be solved.

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 21:49pm

Hall of Famer vote watch

Chris Stein is voting for Rage

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 22:53pm

Mat r,

was wondering who he'd support without devo on the ballot. i feel like the rest of his votes would go to kate, tribe, jdno, and cyndi. theres no real way of knowing, just my guess based on what i know of him. theres no obvious friends of his, like devo, on the ballot

Posted by Will M on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 23:09pm

Will M

I have a feeling he'll drop or reveal more of his votes (if not all) on his Instagram stories but yea Cyndi makes sense (they've toured together and grew up in the same scene).

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 23:34pm

K-Dawg,

I made a post meant for you. Richie chimed instead. It's less repetitive to chat with you. I did see richie's point with Kate Bush. I've placed her as Musical Excellence. Unlike richie I am flexible. You can convince me to change Kate Bush.
Joy Division/New Order are on that pantheon with Eurythmics, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, the Cure and the Cars. I was into a lot of Classic and Arena rock at that time. I was much more interested in bands like Journey, Night Ranger and Foreigner, As well as Bryan Adams. BUT I had a lot of New wave friends and I knew some. I will maintain JD/New Order on predictions. I will NOT put Cyndi Lauper. Respond respond

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 02:57am

I've analyzed and studied the Rock and Rock and Roll hall of fame induction process and have come up with 7 criteria that the Hall uses to select their inductee's. It's important to remember that they don't consider record sales or chart performance in their selection process which is why many fans are surprised every year when their favorites don't get in. But here's the list

Innovation: The creativity factor. Did the artist bring something new and unique to music that wasn't heard of before?

Influence: Did their ingenuity and creativity inspire many others in the industry to follow in their footsteps?

Impact: Critical Acclaim, Industry Awards, Fanbase. Has the artist's work been recognized and acclaimed by professional music industry leaders as well as their peers? Has it had a big impact on society and culture?

Length & Depth of Catalogue: Has the artist created a large body of quality work throughout their career?

Longevity: Have the artist's songs endured and stood the test of time? They weren't just the popular hits of the time that have been forgotten or are rarely played anymore.

Skill + Technique: Vocals, Songwriting, Production. Has the artist displayed a high caliber of talent, skill, and versatility with their musicianship?

Spirit: Emotion, Soul. Does the artist have the ability to invoke a strong emotional response with their music in its listeners that makes you believe what they're singing? Does their music have that special "rock and roll" essence that moves you?

Posted by Ralib Allen on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 03:43am

My rationale for puttitng Kate Bush in as a main inductee is simple. She is the biggest name in music, or one of, along with the likes of the Weeknd, Taylor Swift and Harry Styles, of 2022. Her song went absolutely nuclear thanks to Stranger Things. Inducting her, for the RRHOF, gives it a marketing gem. They are trying their damnedest to increase the popularity and notoriety of the Hall. It gets younger fans, eyeballs and fanfare for adding her. We, as a whole, tend to view the RRHOF balloting from a more nostalgic, historic or cyclical viewpoint. From a commercial and popular view, they will increase profit for the Hall by going the route of Kate Bush, Missy Elliott, and the White Stripes. I'm not saying they'll all be inducted, but it drives it further away from the old aging fans of 60s and 70s music, and the rock populists who are trying to gatekeep the Hall in diminishing numbers.

Richie is inflexible, as usual. You try to reason with him, and he throws up his cut and paste response and asks you to make a prediction like you didn't about 5 minutes before. That's in his nature. He has points at times, but I am going largely on my gut and trends. I have been right more than wrong about inductions over the years, and I get this feeling Kate Bush is coming fast and hard. She's going to be the "rock star", figuratively and literally, of this class.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 03:50am

Mat r,

Also wondering who Debbie and Clem Burke are voting for, I wonder if they talk with Chris about their votes. As well as the other former members of Blondie, but idk if Frank infante is talking with the rest of the band. Glen matlock is on Blondie lineup currently and he's got a vote too

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 06:23am

Ben,

Please don't predict Kate Bush as a Performer, Please keep her as Musical Excellence, Also, Joy Division/New Order are not on the pantheon with The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, They're more in line with The Smiths and Devo, So please take JD/NO out of your predictions for the 2023 inductees and add Cyndi Lauper in their place, I think you're really underestimating Cyndi's chances and overestimating JD/NO's chances.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 06:48am

Richie just repeats and does not listen to others

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 07:20am

Yo weird q

Would Kim Thayil and Hiro Yamamoto he the first performer inductees of Asian heritage since Freddie Mercury?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 08:53am

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did)

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that The B-52's and INXS would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's and INXS (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, I think they're gonna be more like Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 09:32am

I'm gonna say it cause it's annoying af at this point

CAN WE STOP ACTING LIKE KATE BUSH IS THE BIGGEST THING

Running Up That Hill is big, she is not

That song has more Spotify plays than the rest of her top 10 combined, she has 2 other songs that broke 100m, and her top 10 includes songs that haven't broken 10m streams there. Compare to the White Stripes who have 5 songs with 100m+ streams and a song with almost 400m more plays than her. She has the most monthly listens (largely cause Running Up That Hill is on a ton of playlists) but White Stripes have a similar number and they haven't done anything in a decade, George Michael (he's got 6 songs with 100m+ streams and 3 that are close to it, also 3 with between 290m and 700m streams) same story and he's been dead for 7 years. Cyndi has 2 with over 500m streams as well

Please can we just acknowledge the fact she's dependent on 1 song's popularity (along with pre-existing acclaim cause that was there last year) with being impressive enough to get her in. Cause it seems like no one from the Kate is getting in as a performer 100% camp wants to admit that

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 10:23am

George Michael has surpassed Cyndi Lauper for # 1 in the fan poll!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 10:41am

The Hall is designed to induct influential artists that's why Kate Bush was nominated 3 times even before Running up That Hill blew up. She has had a huge impact on other artists and is innovative and original. Even in America the song was huge and was the most streamed song for weeks it should have been number one. All of this without giving interviews and without promoting herself on TicToc, Twitter, instagram and so on.
She is name checked by other artists more than any other female not inducted, again the Hall was designed to honor people like her. The Hall was not designed to be a popularity contest for commercial artists who haven't brought anything new to the table.
But sadly, the Hall has turned into people like MattR thinking those with the biggest hits should be inducted.

Posted by Joeey Me on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 11:26am

Joeey me

Duder

No that's not what I've said at all. Learn to read.

I've said she has an extremely good chance at induction this year and have asked for people to put their comments about her into perspective in response to k-dawg's claim she's the biggest name and comparing her to harry styles.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 11:43am

Kate Bush should not be inducted into the Rock Hall. While she may have had some influence, I don't feel that she had enough in America to warrant induction. Others may be have other opinions, and that is fine. I consider myself a fairly knowledgeable observer of the music scene for the last 40 years, and that is my view on the matter.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 11:47am

Mark telsa

She should be inducted because she's probably one of the 10 or 15 most influential women in the history of pop. Especially on America popular music.

I'm also sick of the hall's American success focus (British too) so go away

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:02pm

Mat R,

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I think that this is a tough ballot for her once again, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here)

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did)

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, I think that they're gonna be more like Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:02pm

Richie
Stop with the copypasta

Actually write stuff

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:04pm

RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Mat R and Will M,

In the event that one of the bands/acts get an induction this year, who would be the biggest beneficiary of that act next year?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:16pm

Out of all the nominees, Kate Bush would be the top 3 of getting in because of how Running Up That Hill was spotlighted last year. New Order/Joy Division could fill that new wave 80s spot because of their acclaim. Certainly muich much better than having INXS or B-52s on that spot

Posted by new person on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:20pm

For what it's worth:

Think it will be:

Willie Nelson
The White Stripes
Sheryl Crow
Kate Bush
George Micheal

If six:

Joy Division/New Order

If seven:

Warren Zevon

My ballot:

George Micheal
Willie Nelson
Missy Elliot
Iron Maiden
The Spinners

If six:

A Tribe Called Quest

If seven:

Rage

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:28pm

For what it's worth:

Think it will be:

Willie Nelson
The White Stripes
Sheryl Crow
Kate Bush
George Micheal

If six:

Joy Division/New Order

If seven:

Warren Zevon

My ballot:

George Micheal
Willie Nelson
Missy Elliot
Iron Maiden
The Spinners

If six:

A Tribe Called Quest

If seven:

Rage

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:29pm

The Spinners were average? And while I love the White Stripes' song 'Seven Nation Army' I can't consider them legendary by any stretch of the imagination. Good group, though.

By the way, I think that acts like Foreigner, Jethro Tull, Chubby Checker, Neil Sedaka, Connie Francis, the Guess Who, and Joe Cocker are long overdue for induction.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:29pm

K-DAWG
I was surprised to see Sheryl Crow this time around. They have been nominating other female artists like Dionne Warwick and Kate Bush. Thought they would get to Sheryl Crow in a few years. She's already around 60 so I guess it's time for a nomination. I think Melissa Etheridge and Sheryl Crow are around the same age and I think Etheridge could be next for nomination. I thought they would go with The Bangles & The B-52s first but I was wrong. Also was wrong about Joy Division & New Order. Thought they would go with Bryan Adams & INXS for 80's. It's the 25 the Anniversary of Michael Hutchence passing and INXS has many great hit songs. Bryan Adams has just done about everything and received many accolades. Thought it was his time. Guessed right on bringing A Tribe Called Quest back. Thinking about my Nominations, I was right on A Tribe Called Quest, Iron Maiden, Soundgarden, Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, Cyndi Lauper. Some people were right selecting George Michael. I thought they would wait for a few years since he's been dead for awhile now. He also had sporadic output after some early success as a solo artist. I had Willie Nelson on and off my list for several years. They selected him this year and I had him off my list. He seems to be a lock. Would never had put The White Stripes and Missy Elliott on my list this year. They accelerated the eligibility for The White Stripes surprising the FRL Regulars and other Hall Watchers. Including myself. I'm still shocked Emmylou Harris has not been nominated or inducted. They could give her a Special Award.
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:37pm

I'm contemplating if I should pick White Stripes getting in since the ballot voters will likely just vote for 1 freshman eligible with Missy Elliot filling that spot. Also Jack White appeared dismissive ofthe Rock and Roll Hall of Fame so they could get the Radiohead treatment where they get voted in the second year instead.

Posted by Jay kay on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:37pm

jay f k,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:42pm

Richie

Kate Bush - Bjork, tori amos

Cyndi Lauper - billy idol, the bangles

Sheryl Crow - Alanis Morissette, Tracy Chapman, Liz Phair, Sarah McLachlan, the whole Lilith Fair crowd (she is low key the most important nominee this year)

Missy Elliott - 50 Cent, lil Wayne

Iron Maiden - Motorhead

Joy Division and new order - siouxsie and the banshees, Adam ant

George Michael - Bryan Adams, culture club

Willie Nelson - jimmy Buffett, Merle Haggard

Rage - faith no more, megadeth

Soundgarden - smashing pumpkins, oasis

A tribe called quest - Outkast, Wu tang

The spinners - war, Kool and the gang

White stripes - pavement, pixies

Warren Zevon - harry Nilsson

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 12:57pm

Matt R,

If you believe that Kate Bush should be a Hall of Famer that's fine. One of the 10 to 15 most influential women in the history of pop? Maybe in England but certainly not here in America. Where the Hall of Fame is based. And that is , and should be, an important factor. Many of my favorite artists were English. And virtually all of them are already in the Rock Hall. And deservedly so, not because I liked them but because the were influential AND successful in America. Also, I don't have to go away because you disagree with my opinion. It's a shame that you take it personally that everyone doesn't believe that she should be inducted. Anyway, Matt, no hard feelings and take care.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 13:13pm

Mark telsa

She's the first artist to use a headset mic and do elaborate choreography and sing during live performances in pop. That alone puts her way up there and it's not even factoring in tori amos or Fiona Apple.

And I'm telling you to go away with the America shit. Rock is a global thing and The rock hall has also actively been trying to break away from the American focus the hall has had for 30 years. Using American success as a reason not to see someone as worthy of induction needs to stop because it's the very American elitism that caused the hall to ignore everyone from Roxy music to Serge Gainsbourg and become a joke among serious music nerds.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 13:33pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for inductees in the side categories (Ahmet Ertegun Award, Early Influence and Musical Excellence) this year?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 13:35pm

E.i. and a.m.e. are hard to predict but given they mentioned him by name in promotional materials this year Michel Gondry for Ertegun

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 13:45pm

Matt R,

Stating that an artist shouldn't be in the Rock Hall is not equivalent to saying that the artist isn't good or that their music has no value. Kate Bush made some good music. Every good artist can't be in the Hall of Fame. There have been many fine performers whose music I've enjoyed but whom I wouldn't induct. And I can understand the irritation that a fan may feel when someone expresses the view that an artist that they like is undeserving of induction. Matt, I can honestly admit that it angered me a few years ago when a co-worker expressed the opinion that Pat Benatar shouldn't be a Hall of Famer. I disagreed , but I didn't attack the person. I know that it can be annoying when people disagree with you.

On another point- the American market is the largest and most important in the world. It should carry the most weight. Should the voters, who are mostly Americans, judge artists who were most successful and influential in Japan as the same as those in the US? Or those in Australia? Mexico? Germany or France? There are acts who were giants in those countries but did little to nothing here. Artists such as Zucchero, Robbie Benson, Nana Mouskouri, and Susie Quatro come to mind.

Matt, I admire your passion in standing up for Kate Bush. I mean no insult to her. I thank you for your comments.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 14:33pm

Mark Tesla

I want to talk about the American argument cause I think you misunderstood my point (you are talking about voters and I am talking about the hall). The American market plays a role in the performer vote but it shouldn't be the decider on entry. The rock hall, and sometimes the voters, has realized this and taken action cause there are people (eg Roxy music, Kraftwerk) whose importance outweighs their lack of American commercial success. Kate Bush, Fela Kuti, maybe Buffy saint Marie, Serge Gainsbourg, and my bloody valentine are all in that camp.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 14:54pm

Anyways I asked something earlier and am curious if anyone knows

Would Kim Thayil and Hiro Yamamoto he the first performer inductees of Asian heritage since Freddie Mercury?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 15:44pm

Matt R,

I would certainly agree that there are certain artists whose influence overshadows their commercial success, and should be Hall of Famers. I agree with you about Kraftwerk. Roxy Music is on the borderline for me. In my opinion, the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa, Woody Guthrie, and Nina Simone were quite deserving.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 16:31pm

Matt R,

Kirk Hammett, lead guitarist of Metallica, has Asian ancestry. His mother is of Filipino descent. Metallica was inducted in 2009, 8 years after Queen.-Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 17:05pm

Mark Tesla

True but still that is an insanely long time and crazy to thing the number of Asian inductees this century at least will double with a single induction

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 17:28pm

Also just remembered Jane Wiedlin is of Lebanese decent. So 3 I guess total?

I really hope that Soundgarden get in (maybe Dick Dale as early influence) cause that's a small number of people especially when considering it's the largest continent

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 17:41pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If Kate Bush gets inducted via Musical Excellence and If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 17:42pm

Mark Tesla,

Roxy Music is not a borderline artist. It is a representative glam-rock band, it has significant importance on new wave musicians like Duran Duran, Talking Heads and U2. Bryan Ferry is often also cited as the god father of new romantic music.

Posted by AAA on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 18:13pm

There's some rumors based on prior chairman comments that the reason they haven't announced where the induction ceremony is being held is because they want to host it in London if Kate Bush is inducted so she can be coaxed into attending the ceremony and perform.
Thoughts?

Posted by Guest on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 19:16pm

Guest,

Rock Hall chairman John Sykes confirmed in a interview with Forbes last November during press for the 2022 ceremony that the ceremony will rotate between Cleveland, Los Angeles and New York, so I expect this year's ceremony to be held in either Cleveland or New York.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 19:33pm

AAA,

As far as meriting induction into the Rock Hall of Fame, I do feel Roxy Music was borderline. Of course that's my opinion. If you feel otherwise that's fine. They were a band of some importance. But I didn't necessarily agree with their induction.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 19:45pm

Mat r,

I agree with you on the Asian inductees. Well, let's induct Smashing Pumpkins into the Hall, which might happen soon. Their member James Iha is of Asian descent. —Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 19:56pm

Greg F,

What are your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again) and Which ones do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 20:14pm

Richie,
In all seriousness, you need to go outside and touch grass.

Posted by Apollo on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 20:21pm

I made a boo boo in an earlier post. I meant to mention Robbie Williams, not Robbie Benson. It was a case of "Alien Hand" at work!—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 20:35pm

I made a boo boo in an earlier post. I meant to mention Robbie Williams, not Robbie Benson. It was a case of "Alien Hand" at work!—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 22:19pm

Mark Tesla

Soundgarden, pumpkins, Deftones, Dick Dale, Ravi Shankar, A. R. Rahman, dream theater, Black Eyed Peas, eventually Linkin park, M.I.A., Norah Jones, and LCD Soundsystem

Get that representation up cause it's kinda gross how lacking it is. Like how the f*** has Ravi Shankar not been inducted?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 22:21pm

Mat R

When Willie Nelson gets into the Rock Hall this year following Dolly Parton last year, Who do you think will be the next Country artists in line after Dolly and Willie?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 22:37pm

Mat r,

I thought of Norah Jones when you posted your original comment on Asian inductees. She will have to wait until 2027 for induction!—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 22:45pm

Richie

I told you either jimmy Buffett or Merle Haggard....maybe Waylon Jennings, the chicks, or Emmylou Harris but I think they lack name recognition. George Jones, Tammy Wynette, Glenn Campbell, and Loretta Lynn are also contenders (Glenn is a heavyweight for Musical Excellence)

Dream picks for me are like wilco and silver jews

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 22:49pm

Mat R,

As much as I love Jimmy Buffett, Merle Haggard, Waylon Jennings, The Chicks, Emmylou Harris, George Jones, Tammy Wynette, Glen Campbell and Loretta Lynn, I think that the next Country artists in line after Dolly and Willie should and will be Garth Brooks and Shania Twain because of their record sales alone and they would sell more tickets to the ceremony and bring more ratings to HBO than Buffett, Merle, Waylon, The Chicks, Emmylou, Jones, Tammy, Glen and Loretta, so for that reason, I think the next Country artists that will get nominated and inducted after Dolly and Willie should and will be Garth and Shania.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 23:09pm

Richie I don't have any predictions.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 23:13pm

richie

the chicks and jimmy are as big as both shania and garth also the rock hall seems less interested in sales when it comes to country than they are cultural icons beyond country music which everyone i mentioned is

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 23:37pm

Ritchie,

As we all know the rock hall SHOULD be based on commercial success EXCLUSIVELY and absolutely nothing else. If they didn't sell more than 100 million records they don't belong. Artists with limited success like The Velvet Underground, Clyde McPhatter, and Kraftwerk should be completely and immediately expelled. Make way for GARTH BROOKS BABY YEAAA CHRIS GAINS!

Posted by Will M on Saturday, 02/4/2023 @ 23:41pm

Will M,

So by your definition, also Ramones, The Clash, Patti Smith, Talking Heads, The Stooges, Elvis Costello, Joni Mitchell & Sex Pistols should be out too. I think you're forgetting that the RRHOF is not there for artists who simply have ticket & album sales. If that were the case, then acts like Backstreet Boys & Celine Dion would be up next. Hmmm be careful with that statement of yours.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 00:02am

Also Richie,

Joy Division/New Order doesn't have any competition from anyone on the ballot this year so it's 90% possible that they'll be FYN inductees. If you have the Cure & Depeche Mode in the Hall, then JD/NO would be next. Doesn't matter about how much sales & hits they have.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 00:07am

Jordan Einstein,

I disagree with you on JD/NO, I just don't see them getting in right away and being FYN inductees, If The Smiths couldn't get in on either of their nominations for the 2015 and 2016 classes, then I highly doubt that JD/NO will as well, I think that it will take them multiple/a few nominations to get in just like The Cure and Depeche Mode did.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 00:15am

Why do you all constantly prioritize influence on this site? Shouldn't legacy and success come first?

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 00:29am

The Smiths couldn't get in mainly due to Moz putting his foot in his mouth. Eventually I could see them getting in less than 5 years even with Moz incendiary remarks. Johnny Marrs work with the band isn't going to be overlooked

Posted by jayk on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 01:09am

Everyone

Smiths will never get in as long as Moz is seen as a White supremist (f*** nazis) so Johnny Marr for Musical Excellence.


NOTE: let me spell the f-word with regards to nazis

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 01:17am

Is Kirk Hammett of Asian descent too? I thought...

The Smiths aren't near the level of the others. They made a big flash when they popped up, but even with their polarizing frontman--they don't belong in the same sentence. With Joy Division/New Order.

and Mat R,

to clarify...I'm not saying Kate Bush is such a huge name in the industry. Her star is burning brightest right now because of the Stranger Things exposure, and the Hall would be wise to capitalize on that..and they probably will. I see her being inducted, and she has come from me last year after the inductions not putting her even on my list. I just have a legit gut feeling she is headed to the top of the ballot...ME would be a ridiculous idea at this point for her...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 02:01am

Mat R,

I am confused about your opinion of Kate Bush as a Performer. You seem to predict her as a Performer very firmly. You mentioned its on the strength of one song but also feel she will be inducted as a Performer.
You want us to just acknowledge the fact she's dependent on 1 song's popularity along with previous acclaim. And this is impressive enough to her in. Unlike richie I am reconsidering Kate Bush for Performer. I need convincing. I currently picked her for Musical Excellence.
What are your predictions? I am not richie if you are not ready tell us another time.
I am predicting Joy Division/New Order. There is enough evidence to support them for Performer. Not my thing but that happens all the time. Due to Priorities I am leaving Cyndi Lauper, I love her songs but I made that mistake with Pat Benatar,
Wille Nelson will be Inducted for sure. Thats a lock. He is 90 and would bring down the house. What are your thoughts?

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 04:04am

Why not Garrus? Influence is among the main factors when it comes to recognition from the RRHOF. That's exactly where there's an Early Influence category.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 04:06am

Jordan Einstein,

Thank you for understanding sarcasm.

No that paragraph isn't what I actually believe. I was being sarcastic to make a point against Ritchie. Patti Smith is one of my favorite artists ever, she should've gotten in 2001, way earlier than 07.

Also I hate Celine Dion and acts like that

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 07:54am

Must say I'm in love with these nominees, better than last year.

Sheryl crow over alanis morisette is the ultimate shade for the crap
Alanis dished out.

I think it will be:
-Kate bush over cydney lauper
-Iron Maiden over RATM
-soundgarden over joy division (tho
The fact it's combined w new order is a good sign)
-the spinners
-missy eliott over a tribe called quest (only one I'd say could go either way)
-willie Nelson
-George Michael

And warron zevon will get musical excellence possibly but not inducted as a performer if not . I wouldn't be surprised if willie did either.

If it's a class of only 5 which honestly it should be, then it will be:

-A rap act
-A big name pop star act (George or cydney)
-Two of the 3 metal/rock acts (Iron Maiden would likley get the snub)
-And one of the other 3 singer songwriters (Kate , warron, or willie)

With one of those 3 most likely getting musical excellence, probably Kate or Nellie or even new order/joy division for what they did for their respective genres

Wasn't expecting Sheryl crow, all I know is that she was nominated to throw shade at alanis and I'm living for it.

After Kate bush's year last year it's pretty hard to not see her getting in. Does she hold a record for longest wait between a single reaching the top 10? That's so timeless.

Posted by Mikhail on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 08:04am

Ben

I think it's gonna happen but can see it not happening as a performer.

My issue is that everyone has seemingly acting like she's a superstar when she very much isn't. Like everything suggests running up that hill is widely known and she and her discography isn't. Like everyone put on that song and turned off hounds of love right after and people here are saying she's a big deal and I don't think that's the case.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 09:13am

https://twitter.com/blacklodgedance/status/1521830325524987906

https://twitter.com/blacklodgedance/status/1521922243013451776

According to Casper on Twitter, Here's what he said last year when the 2022 inductees were announced:

This inductee crop tells us that the current voting body is very poptimist and populist, favoring all these acts (but not Warwick) over the more cutting edge, left of center acts that made up rest of ballot

Then, he said this when all of the top 8 acts in the fan vote last year (Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Judas Priest, Carly Simon and Lionel Richie) got in last year:

Seems like the current voting body is a lot more populist than we thought given the inductees and the match with the fan vote

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 09:17am

I really feel like people are underestimating Sheryl Crow and it's kind of weird.

Like she's the female foo fighters but she's bigger and more acclaimed than them. Super long career as a hit maker with a number of popular radio staples and a solid run of albums including an rs500 appearance. She's kind of the successor to Tom petty.

She also is probably the most important nominee on the ballot in terms of opening new lanes (VH1/Lilith Fair/90s women who rock) and kind of suggests the 80s is mostly done.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 09:42am

Mat R,

I also feel like people are underestimating Cyndi Lauper as well, because of the current 80's MTV trend that dominated the class last year, so I think that Cyndi is getting in this year because she's in the top five of the fan vote with George Michael, Soundgarden, Willie Nelson and Iron Maiden, so I think that out of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Soundgarden, Willie Nelson and Iron Maiden), I think that four of them (George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Soundgarden and Willie Nelson) will get in this year and Iron Maiden will be the one that misses out on induction once again this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 09:50am

Richie

The issue with Cyndi is that she had a short AF run. Like 1 album and 4 singles after. She remained an icon, thanks to activism and composing, but she had no real impact on pop past true colors.

She's very much not like Duran Duran or Eurythmics or Janet or even the go-gos (they had a short run but Belinda and Jane had hits for a while after).

She'd be a stretch but she's so unusual and the single true colors are landmarks. I think she takes 2 nods but again could definitely happen this year

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 10:08am

Mat R,

but I disagree with you on Cyndi, I think that she is getting in this year on her first try, as well as she should.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 10:12am

Richie

I told you what I think. Like you didn't give me anything new to consider

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 10:15am

Mat R,

As much as I love Joy Division/New Order, I just don't see them getting in FYN, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) all had much more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, I think that they're gonna be more like Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements and take multiple/a few/a couple of nominations to get in.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 10:24am

Sometimes I think Richie is just a bot.

Richie, are you going to admit you were wrong about Celine dion?

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 10:40am

K - Dawg,

You're not the only one who thinks that.

Will M,

I see now, sorry about my comment towards you.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 12:01pm

Matt R,

Cyndi Lauper sold approximately 50 million albums world wide and had 2 albums that went multiplatinum. Her debut album sold 6 million in the US and totaled 16 million worldwide. She also had 10 top 40 hits in the states. That certainly is better than the Go Gos(with Belinda's career combined) and Eurythmics. The latter of which whos last top 20 hit was in 1986. Cyndi's last top 10 was in 1989.

Posted by jay k on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 12:17pm

Jay k

She didn't sell 50 million albums she sold 50 records the majority of which were the result of she's so unusual (16m on the album and I think 10 million from singles)

The go gos had 5 top 40, Belinda had 6 top 40 for 11 plus Jane's (funny how you ignored that) top 10 hit for 12....over a 9 year period to Cyndi's 7.

The Eurythmics sold 75m records and 10 top 40 singles plus the crazy careers of Annie and Dave, both of whom remained relevant to pop for like....ever.

Cyndi had a short run as a star.....but in that run she had she's so unusual which is a landmark of pop and then released true colors which is one of the boldest singles of the 1980s. Those are what makes her a hall of famer much like how the go-gos position as the first major league all woman band and the Eurythmics groundbreaking sound and visuals pushed them into the hall of fame. If she didn't have that album and single she'd probably be in the same boat as like Debbie Gibson or a flock of seagulls

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 13:19pm

https://www.prpeak.com/local-news/bc-senior-dying-of-cancer-trying-to-secure-her-familys-future-before-time-runs-out-6446567

I wanted to talk to you guys about non-Rock Hall stuff, As you may know, My mom was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer last year and though her first treatment for immunotherapy went well, She had severe side effects in her second treatment and she lost a lot of weight because of it and she's now down to 81 pounds, Also, My Nana (Mom's mom) went into the hospital on December 5 and never came home, She passed away six weeks later on January 16 at the age of 85 at Sechelt Hospital in Sechelt, so all in all, I'm going through a tough time right now, There's a fundraiser for my Mom two weeks from today on Sunday, February 19 at Run With Soup and there's also a GoFundMe page for help for me, My mom and my family when she passes away at some point, so I just wanted to tell you guys this, I'm so sorry that all of this is happening and I'm struggling to cope right now because of it, so please keep me, My mom and my family in your thoughts and prayers during this tough time, Thanks and Have a great day....

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 15:05pm

Richie,

God bless you and your mother.—Mark

Posted by Mark Tesla on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 15:42pm

jesus christ ritchie im so sorry, wishing you and your family the best man

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 16:35pm

Matt r,

That's funny and a good point at the same time.
If she didn't have that album She's So Unusual and singles she'd probably be in the same boat as like Debbie Gibson or a flock of seagulls. I have never heard anyone mention A Flock of Seagulls. They have NO chance thats for sure.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 18:50pm

Good night for willie. He won the Grammy for best Country album

https://pitchfork.com/news/willie-nelson-wins-best-country-album-at-2023-grammys/

Meanwhile Sheryl lost best Americana song

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 19:55pm

Looking at fan vote numbers, theres been a lot of shifting, George Micheal passed Cyndi, Soundgarden passed Willie, Joy Division New Order passed Sheryl Crow and are on path to pass Rage Against The Machine. i wonder if zevon could potentially break the top 5, this is a pretty unstable, very entertaining to watch fan vote

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 20:19pm

Well, I can safely say that Missy Elliott is getting inducted this year after her brief, yet memorable performance at this year's Grammys during the 50 years of Hip Hop performance.

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 21:42pm

John RC,

I have not mentioned Melissa Misdemeanor Elliott for a reason yet. This is the most egregious example of the Hall skipping to the head of the line and passing up 2 decades of women who paved the way for Missy to do her thing. Salt n Pepa, TLC, En Vogue...all 3 should be ushered in before she does. Women in hip hop's path was paved by Whitney and Janet's help, but they completely dumped the late 80s and virtually all of the 90s to continue with their rap statement. The hall has cherry picked for decades, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. It's way too soon for Missy.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 22:12pm

So Bonnie Raitt just won Song of the Year... not that the Grammys matter much, but that's kinda crazy considering the competition she had -- Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Adele, Harry Styles, Lizzo, etc...

Posted by Brasssection on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 22:20pm

K dawg,

really hit the nail on the head there. consistently, popular artists are inducted before those who came first and its straight up unfair. Genesis have been inducted before King Crimson, NIN were inducted before Joy Divison/New Order, Ramones were inducted before New York Dolls, Eminem before so many rappers, Metallica were inducted before Motorhead, The Clash were inducted before the MC5, Nirvana before Pixies, Pearl Jam before the Minutemen, Alice Cooper before Screaming Jay Hawkins, Green Day were inducted before Buzzcocks, Joan Jett was inducted before the Runaways, and practically everyone whos been inducted prior to Big Mama Thornton. So many more examples, and Missy being inducted will only be the latest in a continuing trend of chasing big names and money as much as possible while ignoring pioneers. the hallwatchers podcast published a great editorial touching on this very subject.

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 22:33pm

Another Woman in Hip Hop who is absoultely worth an induction is Queen Latifah. she came from the same new york scene as a tribe called quest and de la soul.

Posted by Will M on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 22:36pm

If Cyndi Lauper and George Michael both get in this year, Do you think that Phil Collins will be nominated next year in 2024 because he would be the last big 80's Pop Star left to nominate and induct?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 23:04pm

Guys can we be real for a second again....They went Missy cause she actually can get in on the ballot, same goes for Lauryn Hill. Queen Latifah, MC Lyte, Salt-N-Pepa probably stand no fighting chance if LL Cool J couldn't (I don't think many 80s or pre-gangsta rap acts do).

It's also worth pointing out Missy and Lauryn are arguably the two of the 10 or 20 greatest rap/hip hop artists in history, definitely the greatest women in the genre.

Skipping the q to get to Missy is objectively the right call.

Also TLC and En Vouge aren't rap/hip hop acts. They had hip hop elements but they are not rap/hip hop.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 23:05pm

Currently, JD/NO stands at 8th in fans rock and it is close with the rage against machine. I will not suprise if JD/NO finishes as the 6th in the fans vote finally.

Posted by TLC on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 23:26pm

Richie

Maybe there's also Billy Idol, Billy Squire, Bryan Adams, Babyface, Kenny Rogers, Luther Vandross, and the mystery that is Weird Al.

Kenny Loggins (I do think he'll come up) and Robert Palmer (I don't think he'll come up) too but one isn't MTV and the other had limited success. Rick Springfield has a decent case but lacks cred I think for a lot of people.

Sting and Steve Winwood too but I don't see them making a ballot again.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/5/2023 @ 23:37pm

Mat R,

They are very much hip hop. I would tend to agree with your statement that they aren't really rap, excepting Left Eye from TLC, but everyone in the Hall seems to equate all of hip hop with rap specifically. Hip hop also is blues, R and B, funk and soul. Usher, Justin Timberlake, Rihanna...as well as TLC, En Vogue and others are predominantly hip hop. The rap acts the Hall is picking are definitely influential, but they're also going for the most recognizable names. This is no coincidence. Same reason they're throwing Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson up there, same reason Kate Bush is favored to win a nom despite very limited support up until now, and her success with the rerelease of Running Up That Hill. I'm gonna keep saying, the Hall is trying to put themselves over and quiet the dissenters. Sometimes it's fine, others it's a slap in the face to many genres and acts, but it's all their MO.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 00:15am

Matt R,

Good points about Billy Idol, Billy Squier, Bryan Adams, Babyface, Kenny Rogers, Luther Vandross, and there is also Asia. Im mentioning them because I was playing them before. I know all the acts above but as a Rock fan I caught up on Luther later on. Im essentially the middle age rocker here. Also I witnessed earlier days of the Hall.
The earliest year I followed a lot was 1993
It is the 30th Anniversary of the 1993 ceremony. There is nothing special about that. But thats 30 years I follow the hall.
In case you don't know
1993 class
Cream
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Doors
Etta James
Frankie Lymon and Teenagers
Van Morrison
Sly and the family Stone

It's always been somewhat diverse at the Hall. It was just a 1960s focus back 30 years. Just some perspective.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 05:00am

If 'richie' was an AI chatbot, I've watched enough sci fi films to know that his name would have to actually be an acronym.

What would it be?

Remote Independent Chatting Humanoid Ion Entity

(as an old Star Trek fan, had to throw 'Ion' in there)

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 08:03am

Just read note from Richie on his mother's cancer fight and grandma's passing. Man, that is some tough stuff to deal with! My condolences to your family on your great loss. Saying prayers for your mother to rally and beat this sickness.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 08:09am

K dawg

If we're counting them as hip hop as opposed to rnb with hip hop elements then rnb largely stopped existing after 1991. Sonicly they're closer to Mariah and Bobby brown than j dilla or Diddy so I'm gonna respectfully disagree.

I'm also gonna be blunt and say I don't know why people are complaining about Missy skipping the line when the white stripes blasted past pixies, pavement, and sonic youth to become the first indie American nominee and first overall since the Smiths.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 10:03am

Mat R

Yeah, I don't know when the complaint about Missy Elliott getting inducted comes from. Yeah, I know that she's inducted before the other legends who came before her, but we can't stop it and I will be very happy to see her inducted this year.

And after her performance at the Grammys last night, she can still put on a show stopping performance and will get the audience excited, and also increases her chances of getting inducted on her first year of eligibility.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 18:22pm

Want:

Cyndi Lauper
Kate Bush
The Spinners
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon


Neutral:

Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Soundgarden
A Tribe Called Quest


Too Soon:

Sheryl Crow
Rage Against the Machine
Missy Elliott
The White Stripes

Overall, I am not all that excited by most of the only 14 nominees. They could have definitely had more older and bigger acts nominated too. Still, I hope they induct at least 7-8 of these and make good use of the other categories to help clear some of the massive backlog of artists that should already be in.

Posted by Jennifer on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 18:55pm

Want:

Kate Bush
Missy Elliott
Joy Division-New Order
Soundgarden
The Spinners
A Tribe Called Quest
Warren Zevon

Neutral:

Iron Maiden
George Michael
Willie Nelson

Ehhh…:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against the Machine
The White Stripes

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 19:54pm

Cyndi Lauper back on top!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 19:56pm

Goerge Michael will probably get in since he has a diamond album. The last class where nobody had a diamond album was 2013. Likewise, Warren Zevon will probably get in since we need some classic rock. Since the 3 Classic-rock heavy classes, we've had Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks in '19, The Doobies in '20, Todd Rundgren in '21, and Pat Benatar last year. The White Stripes probably will get in, as will Missy. Whoever wins the fan vote is my next guess, followed by Willie Nelson.

Again, who is the biggest albums act and who is the biggest singles act nominated this year? Singles is probably The Spinners, as they were the biggest singles act nominated in previous years. As for albums, Faith has sold more than any individual album by all of these people but that doesn't mean George Michael is the answer. See: 2021, where Tapestry sold more than any individual Jay-Z record despite the latter being the biggest albums act that year.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 20:08pm

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:

Kate Bush (I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here).

Spoiler: The White Stripes (I love them and I think that they should be FYE inductees without a doubt, but I can see them waiting a year just like Radiohead did).

Soundgarden will keep Rage Against The Machine out, I just don't see Joy Division/New Order getting in right away, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) all have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, I think that they're gonna be more like Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements and take multiple nominations to get in, Iron Maiden and The Spinners will fall short once again because their genres (Metal and R&B) are not easy sells to the current voting body and Missy Elliott will keep A Tribe Called Quest out.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 20:29pm

Follower,

id say 2019 was a big classic rock year, the zombies roxy music and maybe even the cure all fit, only janet and radiohead arent really classic rock in that year. i love janet, shes pop and i dont like radiohead, theyre rock and the only really non classic rock picks that year

2020 also had T rex, plus nin and depeche mode if they count, 21 id also say was a big classic rock year with go gos carole foo fighters and tina. 22 was the first year where the non rock acts almost out number non rock groups, lionel dolly and eminem, as opposed to the rock pics 4 pat benatar carly simon euryhtmics and duran duran, plus a fifth with judas priest. i could totally see this year having definitive non rock acts outnumbering rock artists,


btw for the purpose of this paragraph im defining rock by the genre and its conventions, not using the halls very loose definition which i dont dispute.

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 21:16pm

My predictions again now that the dust has settled:

Willie Nelson
George Michael
Kate Bush
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon
Missy Elliott

Spoilers:
JD/NO
Rage Against The Machine (I guess I'm the only Rage fan now on this board) :(
The White Stripes

Very competitive ballot I hope they don't go boring.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 21:54pm

Will m

I actually kind of have a hard time seeing the rock outnumbered this year. Like, if you count Bush as art rock/pop or prog which many do, in a class of 7 you need a sweep kind of of Michael, Lauper (some would call her pop rock but let's count her as pop), Missy, and willie to have that class (assuming tribe and spinners don't overperform).

Michael, Missy, and Willie feel safe as does Zevon (who is rock and he literally had everyone going "oh shit how is he not in?") which leaves Cyndi deep in a 7 act race for 3 spots with Sheryl, bush, Soundgarden, Maiden, jd/no, and the stripes (all rock or deeply rock related). Her fans are coming out in the fan vote but she's not the critic favourite, she's not the industry favourite, she's not the most commercially successful of them, and not the sentimental favourite or the buzz artist. She stands a good chance with trends but this is not an easy class for her

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 22:00pm

Mat r

I could maybe see George and Cyndi getting in both this year. Faith and She's so unusual are both landmark albums. But you're absolutely right in that she has a lot stacked against her. Her only real public supporter right now is Billy Joel, who's also supporting Zevon. Plus, George is dead and Cyndi is alive. They might want to make up lost time ASAP with George while they have time to kill with Cyndi. And also, combining wham with his solo career, George had a wider pool of hits, faith outnumbers she's so unusual in its acclaim and sales. George also probably has more supporters in the industry, Elton John I'd imagine is a big one.

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 23:02pm

Plebeian,

Not the only one! I love Rage!

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 23:03pm

If Cyndi was the sole pop artist on the ballot, it'd be a lot easier for her. She's competing with Kate and Sheryl but George is her biggest roadblock yea. If her opponents on a ballot were all rock bands or rappers and she was the only pop star, she'd go in easy.

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 23:08pm

Mat R,

https://www.prpeak.com/local-news/bc-senior-dying-of-cancer-trying-to-secure-her-familys-future-before-time-runs-out-6446567

I wanted to talk you about non-Rock Hall stuff, As you may know, My mom was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer last year and though her first treatment for immunotherapy went well, She had severe side effects in her second treatment and she lost a lot of weight because of it and she's now down to 81 pounds, Also My Nana (Mom's mom) went into the hospital on December 5 and never came home, She passed away six weeks later on January 16 at the age of 85 at Sechelt Hospital in Sechelt, so all in all, I'm going through a tough time now, There's a fundraiser for my Mom on Sunday, February 19 at Run With Soup and there's also a GoFundMe page for help for me, My mom and my family when she passes away at some point, so I just wanted to tell you this, I'm so sorry that all of this is happening and I'm struggling to cope right now because of it, so please keep me, My mom and my family in your thoughts and prayers during this tough time, Thanks and Have a great night....

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 23:22pm

Ritchie,

My absolute deepest condolences and sympathy to you and your family right now

Posted by Will M on Monday, 02/6/2023 @ 23:42pm

Plebeian, Ben, Mat R and Will M,

Let's take a break from talking about 2023 and Let's talk about past Rock Hall induction classes from 1986-2022 for a while, There's still a long time to go, so let's kill time talking about past Rock Hall induction classes from 1986-2022.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 00:00am

If I had to pick at the moment, and I reserve the right to change my mind, this is the inductees for 2023:

Cyndi Lauper
Kate Bush
Joy Division/New Order
George Michael
Warren Zevon
Willie Nelson
White Stripes

ME: Spinners
Iron Maiden

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 01:23am

richie,

I would love tp do this except for one problem. About 3 years ago I did this very thing. It was veryyy similar. I did reviews of every class 1993-2017. A lot of people were somewhat excited about it. K-Dawg remembers it. Some reviews were easy for me like the Doors, Gr Dead, Elton John Rod Stewart, Allman Brothers B, Neil Young Led Zep, Later on Billy Joel, Bruce S, Dusty Springfield, Steely Dan.
I did review on all the subsequent years. 2002, 2003, 2004 etc. People liked the reviews of all the classes. K-Dawg you're out there. You respond to richie a lot.
By popular demand It continued with 2018-2020. This was so I can include the Dire Straits, Nina Simone and the Moody Blues!
BUT it is tedious to do such a thing. BUT I can commemorate the 30th Anniversary of me starting with the Following. The 1993 Rock and Roll HALL of Fame class. K-Dawg say something you remember it. Say something if yu can

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 04:59am

THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL
HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

WHEN VOTING FOR WOMEN ONLY

1. Kate Bush
2. Cyndi Lauper
3. Sheryl Crow
4. Missy Elliott
5. The White Stripes

WHEN VOTING FOR BLACKS / NON-WHITES ONLY

1. The Spinners
2. Soundgarden
3. Rage Against The Machine
4. A Tribe Called Quest
5. Missy Elliott

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 06:24am

Ok Ok. I will commemorate the 30th Anniversary of me following the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I did mention it yesterday,

The 1993 Class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

This is the Main Inductees as Performer

Ruth Brown
Cream
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Doors
Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers
Etta James
Van Morrison
Sly and the Family Stone

Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Dick Clark

Early Influence:
Dinah Washington

Those are all the Inductees for 1993

And I will have a quick review of Ruth Brown

Ruth Brown
So Long" reached Number Six on the Billboard R&B
charts. It was more about blues than rhythm, a simple but
elegant showcase for a strong voice Her next single
"Teardrops from My Eyes" was as cool as "So Long". Ruth Brown
topped the R&B chart with "Teardrops" in October
1950, and the song remained there for the rest of the
year. Brown had a bunch other R&b hits with New Orleans style beat.
In 1953, Brown topped the R&B charts again, with
" (Mama) He Treats Your Daughter Mean" I have heard these I think.
She is more of a Blues singer

Brown decided to leave Atlantic
Records in 1961, when the label's priorities had begun to
change. But she never stopped being Miss Rhythm. I know of her. Ruth Brown is in my Dad's time. But he never mentioned her much at all. My Dad was into Big Band Jazz, Elvis and Classical. BUT NOT Ruth Brown
In these days of 1993. Even acts as old as this were a Performer. The latest the Hall was up to was the 1960s. So it makes sense. I witnessed the 1993 Ceremony. Did anyone else here? Ruth Brown is Blues. I love some Blues But dont know her well. I will review 2 of my favorite bands later today. Cream and Creedence Clearwater Revival. I will say CCR to save the trouble

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 08:46am

Cream are an early favorite group of mine. On more than one level. It suggested terrific qualities.
The three musicians it described were, for their audiences, the best players of their individual instruments, the
cream of British rock musicianship.
There was a lot of talk about Cream in Summer 1966.
Eric Clapton left
John Mayall's Bluesbreakers to form a group with Jack
Bruce and Ginger Baker. Ginger Baker was in a band called the Graham Bond Organization, I do NOT know them BUT I sure know Cream.
I love the albums Disraeli Gears and Wheels of Fire.
Beginning with Disraeli Gears, the band was joined in the studio by producer and multi-instrumentalist Felix Pappalardi, who became an important influence on the band's sound. Cream's music spanned many genres of rock music, including blues rock ("Crossroads", "Born Under a Bad Sign"), psychedelic rock ("Tales of Brave Ulysses", "White Room"), and hard rock ("Sunshine of Your Love", "SWLABR"). I want to stress that Sunshine of Your Love and Swalbr were Hard Rock during the 1960s. Some of you may NOT agree by modern standards.
Cream broke up in May 1968 but made one more album called Goodbye. The Farewell concerts of Cream were at Royal Albert Hall in Nov 1968

Cream may get the attention of some of you. In 1993 I was psyched saying Now we're talking. This was one of the earliest bands I was VERY interested in. Yeah there was the Beatles, Rolling Stones and of course the Who. BUT after we skip to CREAM / Respond respond

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 10:26am

This is the most competitive ballot I've seen in a while. Even with last year, the inductees were really predictable once you thought about it. This one? I don't know how things will shake out. Of course, I think you really pin down 4 people that locks/close to locks, but what about the rest?

Posted by Garrick on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 11:20am

WANT
Joy Division/New Order
Kate Bush
The Spinners
Iron Maiden
George Michael
Sound Garden

NEUTRAL
Willie Nelson
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against the Machine
Missy Elliot
Tribe Called Quest
White Stripes

Ehh
Sheryl Crowe

Who will get in
Kate Bush
Missy Elliot
Willie Nelson
George Michael
White Sripes

If 6 , Cyndi Lauper

Posted by jay k on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 11:22am

What are your favorite and least favorite Rock Hall induction classes from 1986-2022?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 11:40am

Will M

I feel like Cyndi maybe got a bad hand here cause both George and Sheryl are on this ballot and both kind of occupy similar spots on the ballot and are both more popular than her with way longer careers. She's arguably not even the #3 or 4 artist on this list in terms of commercial success because of Soundgarden (for album sales) and Missy and Spinners (for singles) in America.

Kind of sour spot for a pop star. She is lucky that She's So Unusual is maybe the best record that anyone on the ballot put out (aside Hounds of Love and Low End) but that's shaky.

Richie

Sorry to hear. Made a donation

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 13:25pm

Mat R,

What are you talking about? She's So Unusual the best album than the rest? Are you serious? Are you going by sales because I can disprove your claim with better albums with just only the other acts on the ballot.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 14:16pm

Phebeian

It's one of the best pop albums of the 1980s and text book example of an all killer no filler with bangers and bops from start to finish. No one else on this nominee list really has an album like it.

It's a crazy good pop record.

There's a myth here that Cyndi wasn't taken seriously and isn't acclaimed but that album is routinely listed as one of the best of the 80s and all time. Among the nominees, I think it's either the 3rd or 4th highest on the rs500 just on the outside of the top 100 iirc.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 14:56pm

Mat R,

but you underestimated both Eurythmics and Carly Simon's chances last year and they both got in, so I see the same happening for Cyndi this year, She's just too big of an 80's icon to ignore and She would put on a great performance at the ceremony, so I see her getting in this year, as well as she should.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 15:04pm

Cyndi was ahead of her time in the 80s. Her odd, quirky behavior was ridiculed by many, but she has become an icon for many people. Her very song "True Colors", whether intentional or not, has inspired thousands if not millions in their respective movements. She might not be the biggest album seller, but she checks all the boxes for influence for candidacy. For other artists, and most notably, for her fans.

With the Hall's seeming goal of inducting anyone and everyone of note from the 80s, Cyndi fits. At this point, I see her and George Michael, who could be seen as a similar influencer, in easy. Especially with how many solo 80s people got in last year.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 15:10pm

Richie

Sheryl wasn't on that ballot and Kate wasn't mainstream last year.


K dawg

Yea she checks boxes but a lot of people here do.



Btw all I've said is she isn't a lock. She can get in, she has a hell of a landmark album and some iconic tracks, she just has a war with 6 other acts cause this is a rough ballot

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 15:59pm

ritchie,

probably 08, or 11. those years only have one act i really love each. john mellancamp and alice cooper

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 16:11pm

I would say the chances is larger than what most people for Cyndi Lauper is that John Sykes the new chairman has been pushing for MTV acts to get in like Duran Duran and Eurythmics. Lauper was huge for the MTV generation and is one of the last few MTV that needs to get in. I could see Billy Idol also making the nod next year because of that.

Posted by jay kay on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 16:47pm

Plus on top of that, Cyndi is currently in the lead in the fan vote, so if that holds, She will win the fan vote and get in this year and continue the trend of the fan vote winner getting inducted nearly every year (except 2020 with Dave Matthews Band), so yeah, I think that she's getting in this year, as well as she should.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 17:05pm

Omg you guys are literally saying 2 very different things.

Thing 1: this ballot is crazy competitive

Thing 2: Michael, Missy, Kate, Willie, Cyndi are locks

You're all overhyping Sykes power on voters and ignoring that last year probably 4 to 6 artists who stood no real chance last year which isn't the case this year.

Christ there are as many MTV icons from the 2000s as there are from the 80s on the ballot. What does that tell you? They aren't looking to fetishize the 80s they wanna keep moving

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 17:16pm

Mat R,

Thank you so very much for your support for me, My mom and My family, It sure means a lot to me and the world to me as well, Thank you so very much for donating to Sheri's GoFundMe page, It sure means a lot to me and everything to me as well, Thanks and Have a great day....

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 17:22pm

I realized that I did not submit my 2023 Induction Picks.
1. Willie Nelson-He has super crazy longevity over 60 years. The NOM COMM finally has placed him on the ballot. Going to be 90 end of April. Should be a great celebration for him and well-deserving. Could see Willie Nelson singing the closer with the HOFers and others gathered around. Would be amazing and electric.
2. Soundgarden-They should collect plenty of votes from the hard rock and metal RRHOF voters. Chris Cornell is a legend in life and death. Great singer and guitarist and songwriter and will be the next member of the Seattle Scene inducted. Superunknown is a KING FAV.
3. Sheryl Crow-I think she has a good chance. She has collaborated and worked with some HOF greats. Good amount of material over 30+ years. I liked The Globe Sessions. A FAV of King. I think she could draw votes from the 1,000+ HOF voters. Has appeared at past ceremonies presenting or performing. She would appear at the ceremony and have a strong performance.
4. Iron Maiden- One of the biggest snubs. Check off plenty of boxes. Great Songs, Innovation, Influence, Longevity, Musical Excellence, etc. They should pretty much sweep the votes from the hard rock and metal HOF voters. KING FAVS: Aces High, Run To The Hills, The Trooper, Wasted Years, etc.
5. Cyndi Lauper-I remember years ago as a young KING. She's So Unusual was a massive smash hit. I'm partial to All Through The Night. Girls Want To Have Fun was a catchy smash hit. Lauper still has a wonderful voice. She would appear at the ceremony and perform. It's a difficult ballot to be sure. Has a loyal group of fans and she's strong in the Fan Vote.
6. George Michael- I thought they would wait a few years on George Michael. Would have liked to see Wham!/George Michael Nomination like JD/New Order. Faith was a very popular and outstanding album. The whole album song tracks could have been hits. Listen Without Prejudice also was a FAV. It's a shame he has passed but they will get a few artists to sing his songs.
7. Warren Zevon-I think he will be inducted. Another artist who was respected by fellow musicians and worked with RRHOFers like Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt. Some of my FAVS Excitable Boy, Werewolves In London. The voting has ballooned to over 1,000 voters now and Zevon has been dead for around 20 years. I wonder if some younger voters will vote for him on a stacked ballot.

Musical Excellence: Chaka Khan & Kate Bush. Both have been multiple time nominees. It appears a good time to induct them.
Early Influence: The Sonics & MC5. Probably will be time for MC5 inducted in this way. They have hammered them on the ballot several times without success. The Sonics have been influential to later rock and punk groups. They are a KING FAV.

KING FINAL WORD: It's a very interesting ballot. Could see 12/14 earning induction. Think it could be difficult for Rage Against The Machine and The Spinners. Many of the great R&B artists voters have passed in recent years. I think it will be difficult for The Spinners to collect enough votes. Similar to Rage Against The Machine. I wouldnt be surprised if The Spinners a Special Award this year or in the future.

KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 18:39pm

Willie Nelson has dropped to # 5 from # 3, Warren Zevon up to # 4, Soundgarden # 3, George Michael # 2, Cyndi Lauper # 1.

https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 18:58pm

Completed a really interesting interview today about the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame nomination process with Alan Light. I've got a lot of editing to do to prepare it for broadcast but am targeting it for Episode 14 of my podcast, Road To Jamnation, which should be published on Spotify on February 27. There's enough material that I'll probably have to actually split it into multiple episodes.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 20:12pm

Question relating to early influence

Since everyone is talking about Kim Petras speech at the Grammys and a lot of people are zeroing in on Wendy Carlos, due to Petras Grammy claim, anyone thinking there's a decent chance for her this year?

https://www.thefader.com/2023/02/06/wendy-carlos-kim-petras-grammy-wins

Shrek

Dope

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 20:29pm

Mat r,

i love the attention that wendys currently gaining, id never actually heard of her. personally i wouldnt bet on her going in through side categories, the hall hasnt really been super gracious to film scores or electronic music .

something i just learned about was Ferry Aid, which featured Paul McCartney working with Kate Bush. Mark Knopfler is also on that but he very clearly couldnt care less about the rock hall. That adds 2 more but really 1 (Paul) Hall of famers whove worked with kate and would likely support and vote for her

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 21:39pm

i was very disapointed to learn Ferry aid did not actually involve brian ferry however

Posted by Will M on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 21:40pm

Will m

Ferry aid sounds interesting. Speaking of Paul.....anyone ever done a hall of famer break down of Ringo Starr's all star band?

Also Wendy Carlos is a little more than classical and film score..... she is often credited with popularizing the use of (moog) synthesizers as a whole, which is kind of crazy.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 22:00pm

Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

So, What are your favorite artists of all-time?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 22:37pm

richie

by eras

1950s: sinatra
1960s: beatles
1970s: clash
1980s: prince
1990s: weezer
2000s: metric
2010s: anohni
2020s: snail mail

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 02/7/2023 @ 22:45pm

Mat R,

Ahh I think I see what you did there. I think. Or a coincidence, Richie says Let's take a break from talking about 2023 and Let's talk about past Rock Hall induction classes from 1986-2022 for a while, I think that's what you did there. I went with the 30th Anniversary of me following the hall. it caught my attention a bit with the Beatles and Bob Dylan during 1988 But first followed it in detail with 1993.
Ok I'll continue. I covered Ruth Brown and Cream. I move ahead.

Creedence Clearwater Revival

They came to rise at a time when Psychedelic rock dominated the San Francisco scene. CCR's roots rock was an offbeat standout. Did you know the difference in 60s rock subgenres. There was NEVER anything psychedelic about CCR. Pure simple rock. I like a lot of their songs.
They were called the golliwogs first.
"Porterville," the last of the Golliwog singles was then under a new name
Creedence Clearwater Revival. The Creedence designation initially did little to change the band's status as a local success but then
Hawk-ins' rockabilly classic "Susie Q " found its way to
pioneering free-form FM station KMPX. While laden
with neo psychedelic effects, vocal processing and meandering instrumental passages, the song still held a certain magic, powered by John's swampy-sounding guitar
Susie Q was the moment of power
CCR had been waiting for
Fantasy subsequently decided to spring for an entire album. It was the first CCR album. The band consisted of lead vocalist, lead guitarist, and primary songwriter John Fogerty; his brother, rhythm guitarist Tom Fogerty; along with Stu Cook and Doug Clifford. These members had played together since 1959, first as the Blue Velvets and later as the Golliwogs, before settling on Creedence Clearwater Revival in 1967.
The band's most prolific and successful period between 1969 and 1971 produced fourteen huge top 10 singles (many of which were double A-sides) and five consecutive top 10 albums in the United States – two of which, Green River (1969) and Cosmo's Factory (1970), reached number one. The band performed at the Original Woodstock in 1969. I own the Chronicle Greatest hits, Cosmos Factory and Pendulum. As far as Basic Rnr they are one of my favorites. They was Never Anything Progressive about them. At the time they were an opposite. I like lots of songs by CCR. NOT in my top 20 but Not bad at all

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 03:45am

My favorite artist of all-time is the Beatles, followed by the Police, Billy Joel, R.E.M., Prince, Tori Amos, and John Mellencamp. Off the top of my head, my favorites from the last 20 years or so would probably be Modest Mouse, the National, Kanye West, Arcade Fire, St. Vincent, Mumford and Sons. Plenty of others that I love, but those would be my tops.

Mat r,

Love that you threw Snail Mail on your list. Good stuff.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 09:04am

My 5 picks:
Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
Iron Maiden
Missy Elliott
The Spinners or George Michael

The only one that is undeserving is Sheryl Crow, she's a middle of the road artist who wrote some good songs, but she's not innovative, original or influential. It's way too early for her name to be tossed about. It looks like Kate will eclipse her in the fan vote.

Warren Zevon was good, but not great. Kate Bush has

Posted by BillieJopatavic on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 11:30am

Ok. Now comes one of my favorite bands of all time the Doors. They were Inducted in 1993. Eddie Vedder was the Presenter. I heard it on the Radio in 1993.
The Doors

After signing with Elektra Records in 1966, the Doors with the great JIM Morrison recorded and released six studio albums in five years, some of which are generally considered among the greatest of all time,including their self-titled debut (1967), Strange Days (1967), and L.A. Woman (1971). They were one of the most successful bands during that time and by 1972 the Doors had sold over 4 million albums domestically and nearly 8 million singles.. Also I love the album Morrison Hotel 1970.

Jim Morrison died in Paris
Morrison died in uncertain circumstances in 1971. The band continued as a trio until disbanding in 1973. They released three more albums in the 1970s, one of which featured earlier recordings by Jim. They are legends but mainly for Jim Morrison. They were so good and soo cool. I don't know if anyone likes this idea of the 30th Ann of my first following of the RnR Hall of Fame
Maybe. Some one will respond. It's only 1993 class I'll cover
It gets very tedious

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 17:41pm

Ben,

I think you should cover both the 2021 and the 2022 classes because you haven't done those yet, so I think that you should do both the 2021 and the 2022 classes once you're done covering the 1993 class.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 22:55pm

Long-ago voter from the Rock Hall Revisited/Projected days checking in (I was Jim). Good to see we're still lightyears of them in the process of recognizing greatness.

My thoughts on the nominee class:

- Overall a pretty strong set of nominees, save for one or two I'll mention below. This is a class where most of them could get in and I'd really have no issue with it.

- Between this and some older inductees that would've previously been cast aside to the shame factory (Hall & Oates, Lionel Richie, Duran Duran, Def Leppard, Journey), it's clear the Hall is unafraid of 80s cheese anymore. In fact, they seem to be adopting the poptimist approach, which to me means George Michael is a virtual lock for induction. It feels very similar to the Hall & Oates nomination, which felt like one big "a-ha" moment for voters as they recognized pop craft. Some can quibble with the size of Michael's solo discography, but it's not like Guns N' Roses had a sizable set of records either...

- The Foo Fighters getting in so fast really jacked up the mainstream rock slots, which by this point should've already moved past the big four of grunge (Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains) and Stone Temple Pilots so they can cover other 90s/2000s rock and the very fun topic of debating if post-grunge actually existed. If the Foos induction was meant to give post-grunge that one bone it deserved (sorry, Nickelback), then it also created a horrible dichotomy where almost any rock snub (not just mainstream) looks awful compared to the fact that they inducted FF as a FYE.

Some of the various worthy rock artists of the last 40 years who were passed over so Dave Grohl could get another trophy...

1) Alice In Chains
2) B-52s
3) Beck
4) Dave Matthews Band
5) Dead Kennedys
6) Faith No More
7) Iron Maiden
8) Jane's Addiction
9) Jethro Tull
10) Joy Division/New Order (hopefully that gets righted this year
11) Megadeth
12) Motley Crue
13) Oasis
14) RATM
15) The Replacements
16) Smashing Pumpkins
17) Sonic Youth
18) Thin Lizzy
19) Tool
20) Weezer

...and that's to say nothing of other rock artists that I'm too stupid to mention at this moment. I guess a silver lining is that the Foos might act as a laxative for the hall to at least get Soundgarden out of the way this year and Alice In Chains the next before tackling other 80s/90s/2000s acts. But who knows, The White Stripes might wind up taking up all the rock votes this year - and that's deserved. Man, that Foo Fighters induction looks painful, and I say that as a fan.

3) Missy Elliott should get in first ballot, but the Hall is quietly jacking up 80s/90s R&B as well. The fact that Mariah Carey hasn't even received a nomination is absolutely mindboggling. Mary J. Blige and TLC still await nomination also, with Sade as a possibility too. I'm sure Beyoncé will be inducted first ballot in 2028 and she will absolutely be the Foo Fighters of the R&B side of things - a worthy artist in their own right, but they're getting in way too early. I guess I still got 5 years to be grumpy about it, lol.

4) You can tell the Hall wants to induct RATM and their buddy Morello, but they might wind up being a hard rock version of Chic for a few years. Always the bridesmaid, but never the main source of votes. I'm sure they'll eventually get in, but with Soundgarden and The White Stripes (and arguably A Tribe Called Quest) as competition, they're on the outside looking in this year.

5) Sheryl Crow...what?. That's a couple of nice singles and nothing else. That's almost as indefensible as the J. Geils nominations that reared their ugly heads in years past.

6) Willie Nelson either feels like he should've gotten in 30 years ago or should never be in, depending on if you think there's a place for a country fella like him in the Rock Hall. I'm on the side of letting more country in the Hall (yes, I still think Garth Brooks should be in), so I think he'll get in easily. This is basically a redux of Dolly Parton's induction, which felt like the Hall reaching back to right a perceived past wrong. Up to you to say if that was necessary.

7) Is this really Zevon's first nomination after nearly 30 years of eligibility? God, he (RIP) might be waiting even longer unless he winds up as a protest vote for the boomers.

8) Gonna be interesting who survives the 80s alternative death match between Kate Bush and Joy Divison/New Order. The latter is more influential, but the former just had a career-defining hit 40 years after it was recorded.

9) Iron Maiden is gonna get Judas Priest'd. God, I hate the expansion of the Musical Excellence category. What a cop-out.

10) Lauper...eh. I guess if George Michael and other 80s cheese have seen their stock rise, she might as well too. And hey, she did author some of the Reagan era's most memorable pop hits, so I guess that's a note in her favor. The nomination makes sense in theory, I just don't see how it doesn't lead us to Rock And Roll Hall of Famer Maroon 5. (Poptimist counterpoint: maybe it should!)

11) Spinners might squeak in because they're the only R&B (not rap) act on this ballot. I also think they'd round out an induction class that, aside from Missy Elliot, is shockingly white.

12) Final note: did they seriously not nominate Coldplay? Wow. Not to harp on the Foos again...

13) Final, final note: OutKast...it's been a couple years and how has a nomination not even happened yet? Now I remember why I only check this site once a year...lol.

Previous classes had around 5-7 nominees, so I'll split the bill and give my 6 picks:

- George Michael
- Missy Elliott
- The Spinners
- The White Stripes
- Soundgarden
- Willie Nelson

If it's 7, then toss in Joy Divison/New Order. See you all on induction day!

Posted by Jagger on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 23:38pm

Looks like I was dumb enough to ignore A Tribe Called Quest when I called the nomination (not induction) class shockingly white. I guess 3 black artists outta 14 ain't bad, but it still feels a little lacking, especially when you think about some of the R&B and hip-hop acts still waiting to get inducted.

Posted by Jagger on Wednesday, 02/8/2023 @ 23:43pm

richie,

I will do that on the condition that you and hopefully others respond to the 1993 class. Hey this was the first class that caught my attention a lot. Then I will jump ahead and actually cover 2020, 2021 and 2022. I don't do an endeavor that nobody has time for. Is that a deal. So far for 1993 I covered
Ruth Brown, Cream, CCR and the Doors. How's that for a deal

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 03:39am

Ok I will continue with my commemorative look at the 1993 class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The next artist is from the 1950s. There was only 2 decades to choose from at that time. I have never known the 50s very well at all. For me Music in general really starts with the Beatles, The Who, Cream, CCR and the Doors. Ohh I neglected to mention JIMI HENDRIX. Another fav prior to 1993. He was the main artist that got my attention at the 1992 Ceremony. Ok Here is the next artist for 1993.

Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers

Its like I said I know soo little about the 1950s. My Dad taught me about it.
I only know Why Do Fools Fall in Love. And thats before my time too. Diana Ross has said that she started out trying to emulate Lymon's high-pitched, crystalline voice, his enunciation and whip-crack timing. Marvin Gaye, upon first witnessing his Motown labelmate Michael Jackson in action;,
commented that its very similar to Frankie Lymon.
Anyway With Lymon in the lead there was the song "Why Do Foois Fall in Love?" they record this song for Gee Records in November. By February
1956, it's Number One on the R&B charts and huge Top 10 hit on the Pop chart.
They
This group starred in Alan Freed's package shows and movies, did the Ed
Sullivan show and Bandstand, traveled America and flew to
London, where they performed at the Palladium. I just know they are one of the most popular groups of the 1950s. They were doo wop. I am NO way a fan of doo wop. Thats it for Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers

Etta James

I know a bit more about Etta James. Also from the 1950s. Etta is a rock and roller deep down. In an earlier time though.

Starting out as a teenage phenomenon in, the Fifties, she sang with a
raw, unharnessed energy that matched her male counterparts. Her first hit, in fact, was an in-your-face song she was 15
when she wrote and cut "Roll With Me Henry" also known as the Wallflower. Etta's erotic audacity echoed the
raunch of sisters like Bessie Smith and Ma Rainey, but
in any era she would be considered a front-line feminist, a womanchild strong enough to dramatize the outrage of woman
Starting her career in 1954, she gained fame with hits such as "The Wallflower", "At Last", "Tell Mama", "Something's Got a Hold on Me", and "I'd Rather Go Blind",. She faced a number of personal problems, including heroin addiction, severe physical abuse, and incarceration, before making a musical comeback in the late 1980s with the album Seven Year Itch. I should listen to that
Etta James was inducted to the RnR Hall of Fame in 1993, the Grammy Hall of Fame in 1999, and the Blues Hall of Fame in 2001. She also received a Grammy lifetime achievement award in 2003. Rolling Stone magazine ranked Etta James number 22 on its list of the 100 Greatest Singers of All Time. Etta James is good. She is a great old singer.

Ok There is 2 more for the 1993 class. I remember when this 1993 ceremony happened I was paying attention to Cream and the Doors for sure but there was leftover 50s. Ok there is a couple left. 2 others in the 60s but had huge rather long careers. Van Morrison and Sly and the Family Stone. Everyone someone respond

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 04:31am

Good to hear your opinions, Jagger. Hope you are doing fine.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 05:44am

Ok I have to ask what's everyone's problem with Sheryl's nomination?

She's not influential? Wtf are like Miranda Lambert, Brandi Carlile, neko case? Wtf was Lilith Fair (an event she clearly helped influence)? Wtf is the sound aaa radio? How did alt country rise when MTV and alternative radio rejected it in 1994? Who helped shape what VH1 would become?

This is clearly a woman with a massive footprint (like Christ she influenced Nickelback and kid rock who are like her polar opposites sound wise) and she had like a 15 year run as a platinum selling artist who was having pop hits 20 years into her career and some pretty acclaimed music.

'it's too early' dudes she's 60 and was working as a backup singer for like a decade before her first album.

'she's not an adventurous artist's what the crap are Dave Grohl and Tom petty?

I really don't get why people are so dismissive to pissy about this nomination

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 09:06am

Long story short - It's underlying sexism.

Posted by RJR on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 09:27am

I can't speak for everyone getting pissy about Crow's nomination, but there's no sexism on my end when I complain about it. Missy Elliott will get in first ballot as she should, and I'm a big believer that Mariah Carey is a huge snub too. The Hall in general is up-and-down with inducting important female artists (in particular female minority ones in the R&B space; look at how long it took them to induct Donna Summer and Janet Jackson), so I think Crow supporters going the identity politics route is kinda gross.

The arguments posted above by Mat r make a bit more sense and I appreciate someone actually going to the bat for Crow much more than the "muh sexism" argument. I can appreciate her music and those accomplishments and sure, that moves the needle on how I view her as a Hall-worthy act.

At first glance, she just feels really insignificant compared to almost anyone else. Her chart success was way overstated earlier (11 top 40 singles in an 11 year period is good, but really super impressive for a pop act), and her album sales took a fast dip after a kick-ass debut. I think her going down the adult alternative route so quick probably hurt her image as a trailblazer too. Hard to be seen as that when you're sharing radio space with the likes of Train.

I do think some Rock Hall watchers can do better in analyzing the impact of an a female artist on future female artists, but let's not act like Sheryl Crow is some FYE in waiting. She's an artist who had some hits and might've had some impact. I can name 20 artists from the 90s alone who had more impact than her. Also quick word of advice: don't try to justify an artist's case by comparing them to the Foo Fighters' indefensible first-ballot induction - that's just pointing out trash to make your product look like gold.

Maybe the lesson here is to not care about the order someone gets in compared to another artist. The Hall jacked that up long ago.

Posted by Jagger on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 09:57am

"but not really super impressive for a pop act)," is how paragraph 3 should read.

Posted by Jagger on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 09:59am

I know the moment anyone dies we question their worthiness of induction, but ME for Burt Bacharach? I don't think he's in the RRHOF...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 10:59am

My problem with Sheryl's nomination is that it feels like her nomination comes from her being friendly to the Hall and having connections in the music industry than her actual influence and critical acclaim. It's Lionel Ritchie's nomination all over again.

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:01am

Jagger

Compared to everyone else on the ballot she's the big name

Like steep sales drop off after her debut? George Michael and Cyndi Lauper had as steep or steeper drops than her, same goes for Soundgarden. The only other artist with 3 multi platinum albums listed is rage and Sheryl bests that by having 4.

11 years as a top 40 artist is the longest of anyone here aside from the spinners if we could wham and Michael as seperate and don't count Missy's guest spots.

If you can name 20 that aren't in do it but it seems fruitless as Sheryl has as much claim to her spot thanks to her lasting success, acclaim, and influence which literally helped shape a popular radio format, a tv station, and genre of music.

Like I'm 50/50 on her getting in but this weird underselling of her is way off.

Garrick

She played nice but a lot of people do. She also has a lot of acclaim again she's on the current rs500 albums which is something Zevon, the spinners, Maiden, and Soundgarden don't have.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:13am

Correction cause I wanna be real George Michael also had 3 multi platinum records. He's greatest hit went 2xplatinum and since I counted Sheryl's 3xplatinum greatest hits I'll count his

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:31am

Correction cause I wanna be real George Michael also had 3 multi platinum records. He's greatest hit went 2xplatinum and since I counted Sheryl's 3xplatinum greatest hits I'll count his

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:31am

Once again, can someone with the chart books tell me who is the Biggest Albums Act and the Biggest Singles Act nominated?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:38am

Plus George Michael had four great albums Faith, Listen Without Prejudice, Older, and Patience. He is definitely way more than just Faith.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:39am

Mat, you're falling into the trap of using weak nominees of supporting your argument. I don't support Lauper's nomination, so her having a "steeper drop off" than Crow doesn't matter to me. Even if we just go off Wikipedia, it says that Michael sold around 125 million records worldwide and Crow sold about 50 million, so no, she wasn't bigger than him, whether we're talking the US or globally.

Also, George was an inconsistent producer of records and got viciously outed at a peak time of homophobia in US culture, which might explain why he didn't get to enjoy a decade plus on the adult alternative train like Crow did. Regardless, he still had a long career as a solo artist in the UK, comparable in length to Crow's in terms of hits. And no, I don't think shaping the TV channel that gave us "Celebrity Fit Club" and "Pop-Up Video" is much of an accomplishment. And Sarah McLachlan founded Lilith Fair, so while Crow is apart of that era, it's not like that event happened entirely because of her.

I don't hate her as an inductee on paper, but to say she's the big name on a ballot that omits acts like Coldplay, OutKast, and Mariah Carey is selective at its best. The problem isn't so much Crow's nomination, it's the process that led to it.

Posted by Jagger on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:40am

Greg F. - I was bumping "Fastlove" off of "Older" this morning at work. What an underrated song and album!

Posted by Jagger on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 11:50am

Jagger

I didn't fall for any trap I'm simply talking about the ballot and the reality of it cause that's what's before us

We're also talking about an institution that puts America first so I'm looking at American numbers. Pointing out that Michael who had a sales from from 10m to 2m to 1m is valid (all before he was outed and the victim of homophobia) is valid (Sheryl had a long run as a platinum selling artist in the UK too). Btw I think george is a lock this year, he had the biggest album of anyone here, while I'm only 50/50 on Sheryl (this ballot is like 3 probable locks and 9 or 10 50/50 artists)

Also VH1 is pretty important to the careers of the nomcom and hall of famers and if we're knocking it for reality tv then why not knock MTV which did it first?

Also I said she was a vital figure to Lilith Fair, I didn't say she caused it, and that still matters. Pretending that one of the only artists to play the main stage every edition of a festival should be brushed aside when discussing important figures to it is wrong.

I said she's a big name with regards to the ballot which is what we're talking about. There is no reason to measure her against the snubs unless we're measuring everyone against them. We have to compare them to eachother rather than what was left off.

Like Jesus Christ everyone on her pales compared to Outkast.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 12:28pm

Mat, I think the problem is what you said in the first sentence: you're talking about the ballot, and I'm criticizing the process that led to the ballot, and how Crow's nomination is the personification of it.

Is Sheryl Crow better than certain nominees on the ballot? Sure, I can buy that. I even think you made some decent arguments for her influencing female country rock artists. I can see the argument that she's more important than The Spinners, Warren Zevon, or even A Tribe Called Quest. But "More Influential than The Spinners" is a piss-poor argument for the Hall in general, and I think it's okay to ask more out of our decision-makers in the nominating process, even if nothing comes of it.

If the Hall wants to honor more females, fantastic, they got Mariah Carey, TLC, Cher, Gloria Estefan, and Mary J. Blige (among others) sitting right there. If they want to honor country rockers, that's great too, because Garth Brooks is sitting right there and sold a gazillion more records while also basically being the guy popularly credited with turning country into a stadium rock exercise. To see those options and cast them aside for Sheryl Crow suggests a level of politics and stupidity that reveals a lack of imagination within the Hall beyond just "Shoot, which our our friends can we put in this year?". That's how Stevie Nicks gets in despite a thin solo catalog. That's how Dave Grohl gets to be a 2x inductee for his second band of leftover 90s rock that would make Kurt Cobain vomit.

It's not about "Sheryl Crow versus OutKast", because you obviously don't even think that comparison looks good to Crow. It's that we can be at a point where, for example, Rage Against The Machine is somehow seen as more important than Alice In Chains just because Tom Morello is buddy-buddy with the Hall. It's in how they suddenly just decide to induct Dolly Parton and will likely induct Willie Nelson basically as an "Oops, sorry" induction, as if the idea of nominating two of the most famous musicians (albeit country) just occurred to them after 30+ years. It's in how they've done such a poor job in previous eras that it causes more current eras to have their own vicious backlogs, which creates trainwreck situations where very deserving artists wait decades for even sniff a nomination.

The process isn't about who is the most worthy of induction, and giving the lady who made "Soak Up The Sun" preferential treatment over a treasure trove of more deserving artists just looks like the most insufferable form of identity politics, mixed with a gag-worthy use of the good 'ol boy system. In other words, I'm acting like one of those boomers about the Rock Hall, lol.

Posted by Jagger on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 13:33pm

Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

What are your favorite albums of all-time?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 18:25pm

Jagger

Cept everyone does rock hall politics (even those you mentioned that didn't get in - big boi has inducted people) and she's hardly the most glaring example of them on the ballot (Zevon and rage are). She's actually one of the most easily justified names on the ballot this year and, this is important, opens 3 new lanes at the hall (the 90s women in rock lane, adult alternative, and VH1).

The knocking of her nomination is weird and your reaction to that getting called out is weird.

Richie

Musick to Play in the Dark Vol. 1 by Coil

Blue by Weezer

Who Killed Amanda Palmer by Amanda Palmer

He Poos Clouds by Final Fantasy

Bridges by Gil Scott-Heron and Brian Jackson

Bites by Skinny Puppy

The Trinity Session by Cowboy Junkies

Odessey and Oracle by The Zombies

Sci-Fi-Lo-Fi Vol. 1 (anthology)

Nuggets: Original Artyfacts from the First Psychedelic Era, 1965–1968 (anthology)

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 18:53pm

Btw if the white stripes get in, y'all think we end up hearing their cover of "I Just Don't Know What to Do with Myself"?

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 19:22pm

BTW did anyone see Billboard deflate Missy this week?

They ranked the top 50 rappers ever and put her at #19. Under LL and Rakim (two guys who failed on the ballot) and more noticeably under Nicki Minaj, who was #10. Jay, Pac, Eminem, and Biggy all made the top 6 (1, 4, 5, and 6).

People here have been saying she's a lock or near lock (including me) but this throws a wrench kind of in that idea cause it paints her as a B player (which is dumb af).

It's a weird development from the industry paper.

Thoughts?

https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-rappers-all-time/50-rick-ross/

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 02/9/2023 @ 22:43pm

richie,

We had a deal. I will do 2020-2022 classes if people respond to the 1993 class. NOBODY. Nobody has responded, Not even to Cream and the Doors. Something like Cream were an awesome band. YOU have NOT RESPONDED either. NOT K-Dawg or King or anyone. People are busy. Alright I will give a gap of 3 days. Maybe people need to absorb 1993. I will NOT continue with Van M and Sly and the FS. I WAIT 3 days. BYEEE

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 04:52am

Mat R,

I'm going to be honest, I sincerely don't understand why Missy Elliott is being unnaturally forced as a first year inductee, I borderline don't even know why she's being nominated at all. No one has really explained why.

Straight out the gate we know she hasn't influenced rock nor is making rock, and that should block all FYE bids. But if we're going to go with the Hall's copout of "rap being the rock successor" or something, I still don't get why she's going in. She's had a string of hits a few years and her entire career these days can be summarized with "Work It" and "Get Ur Freak On", the later laughably shilled in Rolling Stone's best songs a few years ago. Neither of which truly signify a need for inducting, let alone FYE. She doesn't have the absolute monster star power that Jay Z, Eminem or any of the other rap acts who were in first year had that you just can't ignore, compare streaming numbers with any of them and you'll see how she's far behind many times the others. One argument I heard is simply because she's a black female and "there should be more", and not only is that degrading as hell to reduce an artist's credentials to that but even then there's far better options. She wasn't a pioneer (really anyone from the 80s), first breakthrough (Salt-N-Pepa), or most critically regarded (Lauryn Hill) female rapper, all of which would make more sense here.

Seeing the committee having her as the most voted in the nominee poll is so funny when thinking of how forced this nomination is. That's why so many people see the hall as a laughable joke, Bowie and Pink Floyd took 2 nominations to make it but somehow the "Get Ur Freak On" rapper is worthy of being in first year.

Posted by Guest on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 05:50am

Good crop of nominees this time around. Bummed about Jethro Tull not getting a nomination but honestly no one saw a White Stripes nomination coming.

The class I want:

George Michael
Kate Bush
Missy Elliot
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Willie Nelson

What I think the actual class will be

Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Missy Elliot
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon
Willie Nelson

Also thinking that since they're not on the ballot look for possible Influence/ME inductions for MC5s, New York Dolls and Chaka Kahn.

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 09:56am

Ben,

I'll get to 93. I've been very busy with work, so I've had to not be as active here as I've liked. Sorry...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 10:35am

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

Yes, I'm predicting an all-white class in the Performers category this year. I think that people are way overestimating Missy Elliott's chances this year, I just don't see her as an FYE inductee, She's not as big of a household name in Rap/Hip-Hop as Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z and Eminem (all recent FYE Rap/Hip-Hop inductees) are, so for that reason, I just don't see her as an FYE inductee, I do think that she'll get in sooner rather than later, but I think that it will take her 2-3 tries before she gets in. I think that this will be the first year since 2019 that we won't get a Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted that year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 11:08am

Richie

Feels pretty possible sadly that this could be the class but I would note it's not all white. Kim Thayil and Hiro Yamamoto of Soundgarden are Indian and Japanese respectively and would almost double the number of Asian performer inductees in the Hall.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 14:09pm

Mat,
How many Asian performer inductees are there currently?

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 16:09pm

Raichu

Not counting people from or have roots in Eurasia nations (eg. Cat Stevens) and people born in Asia to a non-Asian ethnic group (eg. Hillel Slovak) and only counting 1st generations (so not counting someone who had a grandfather from Iraq and the rest of the family tree is European - this would include the Van Halen brothers whose heritage on their mother's side is a mixed of Dutch and Indonesian) there are from what I can tell at a glance (so not reading detailed bios of every member of The Lovin Spoonful and just sticking to Wikipedia) there are 3: Freddie Mercury (Indian), Kirk Hammett (Filipino), and Jane Wiedlin (Syrian).

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/10/2023 @ 20:46pm

Ben,

I think that you should take Joy Division/New Order out of your predictions for the 2023 inductees and add Cyndi Lauper in their place, I think you're seriously underestimating Cyndi's chances and overestimating JD/NO's chances, Also, I think you should keep Kate Bush as Musical Excellence, I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, so I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here, Anyway, I think you should swap JD/NO out for Cyndi and keep Kate Bush as Musical Excellence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/11/2023 @ 13:16pm

So I decided to try and predict who would most likely be nominated in the next couple of years, and the way I did this is that I went through the most recent incarnations of Rolling Stone's 500 Songs and Albums lists, the 200 Greatest Rap Albums list, and the 200 Greatest Singers lists, then I looked at all the big names that weren't in and the names that aren't eligible ye (not counting the few who were just nominated), put them in a spreadsheet, then counted the times they all showed up in the lists. Here's the artists who had the most appearances ranging from 3 to 6 (the results may surprise you):

6 appearances: Fiona Apple and OutKast

5 appearances: D'Angelo

4 appearances: Big Star, Erykah Badu, PJ Harvey, Mary J. Blige, Pavement, Sade, The Smiths and Usher

3 appearances: Aaliyah, Daft Punk, Bjork, Iggy Pop, Britney Spears, Rufus/Chaka Khan, De La Soul, Dr Dre, Diana Ross, Eric B. and Rakim, Hole, Ice Cube, Jeff Buckley, John Coltrane, Loretta Lynn, Mariah Carey, Lucinda Williams, Merle Haggard, Luther Vandross, Oasis, Patsy Cline, Pixies, Selena, Sonic Youth, Tom Petty (solo), TLC, and The Replacements

As for the non-eligibles, we have:


8: Kanye West, tho I'm 100% sure that will change in the future.

6: Beyonce

5: Drake and Taylor Swift


4: Frank Ocean and Kendrick Lamar

3: Adele, Billie Eilish, Lady Gaga, Alicia Keys, Amy Winehouse, Lana Del Rey, Lil Wayne, Rihanna, The Weeknd, and The Yeah Yeah Yeahs

Does this actually mean anything? Probably not. Was it interesting to see the results? Yes, yes it was.

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/11/2023 @ 14:56pm

Small Update: So, after looking through the 200 Rap Albums list a bit more, the following artists have now joined some of the lists:
The Roots are now in the 3 appearances section for current eligible artists.
Lil Wayne is in now in the 4 appearances section for non-eligible artists.

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/11/2023 @ 15:23pm

I think the 2023 inductees will be:

Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/11/2023 @ 19:42pm

Anyone have thoughts on the results I found?

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 02/12/2023 @ 08:28am

My picks
1. Kate Bush
2. Joy Division/New Order
3. Warren Zevon
4. White Stripes
5. Willie Nelson
One black has to be inducted so I'll go with The Spinners (I hate rap)
Ahmet Ertugun Award Wolfman Jack
Early Influences Big Mama Thornton and W. C. Handy

Posted by Eric P on Sunday, 02/12/2023 @ 14:19pm

Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

What are your favorite songs of all-time?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/12/2023 @ 14:25pm

Sorry, meant to say black act

Posted by Eric P on Sunday, 02/12/2023 @ 19:22pm

WANT RATING
ABSOLUTELY: The White Stripes, Iron Maiden, Warren Zevon, Sheryl Crow, Soundgarden, Joy Division/New Order
VERY: Willie Nelson, The Spinners
SOMEWHAT: Rage Against the Machine
UNSURE: Kate Bush, George Michael
NO: Cyndi Lauper
ABSOLUTELY NOT: Missy Elliott, A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 02/13/2023 @ 03:38am

Alright. Let me at least finish the 1993 Class salute. I do this whether anyone is able to respond or Not. NO worries, When richie said old inductees he didn't really have this in mind, Ok Next inductee

Van Morrison

He is also one of my favorite artists of all time. He was born and raised in Ireland. There is only a few Irish acts actually in the Hall. He first became a sensation with the group Them in 1965. But after that was strictly solo.
His solo career began in 1967 with the release of the hit single "Brown Eyed Girl". he had a manager Bert Berns but he died as he was starting. Warner Bros. Records bought out Morrison's contract and allowed him three sessions to record Astral Weeks (1968).While initially a selling badly the album has become regarded as a classic. Moondance (1970) established Morrison as a major artist, and he built on his reputation throughout the 1970s with a series of acclaimed albums and live performances. I like sooo many of his 1970s albums. Some of my favs are Moondance, Tupelo Honey, Saint Dominic's Preview, Hard Nose the Highway. Those are all very good.
Much of Van's music is structured around the conventions of soul music and early rhythm and blues. An equal part of his catalogue consists of lengthy, spiritually inspired musical journeys that show the influence of Celtic tradition, jazz and deep words. The two strains together are sometimes referred to as "Celtic soul". His live performances have been described as "transcendental" and "inspired"and his music is considered relaxing.

Morrison's albums have performed well in Ireland and the UK, with more than 40 reaching the UK top 40. He has scored top ten albums in the UK in four consecutive decades, altogether at this point. Eighteen of his albums have reached the top 40 in the United States. I like his 1970s albums the best. But I also like Avalon Sunset(1989) somewhat. Liv e in San Francisco is also very good. That was released in the early 90s.
Van Morrison was inducted into the RNR Hall of Fame in 1993. He was inducted by Robbie Robertson of the Band. I was happy with this inductee. Alright One more left for actual Performer category. Stay tuned.

In the meantime I'll mention the Ahmet Ertegun award. It went to Dick CLARK in 1993. So if anyone suggests him he is inducted already. He was the s the legendary host of American Bandstand, Dick Clark gave rock bands national exposure, stood up against censorship and spread the word of Rock n Roll.

Early Influence- Dinah Washington
She was a great singer in the 1940s and 50s I think. She is one of the earliest R&B performers ever.

Ok. Stay tuned for Sly & the Family Stone. They are the last of the Performer category to cover, I'll end with Sly. Hear from everyone. MAYBE

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/13/2023 @ 04:00am

Richie,

My favorite album is Tori Amos' "Little Earthquakes"
My favorite song is Don Henley's "The Boys of Summer"

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 02/13/2023 @ 14:57pm

Alright Ive made it to the last 1993 Inductee. NO responses so far. NO worries. I reminisced just before richie suggested going to the old Classes.
If anyone does notice my posts on this class. They will Now know NOT to predict these. These are the Inductees of 1993. I did Not watch the ceremonies yet in 1993. I heard a lot of highlights on the NY Rock station in early 1993. I do know it took place Jan 12, 1993. I have NO idea what the order of performances was. Ok here is the last inductee

Sly and the Family Stone
The beginning was hopeful in 1967— And for the rest of the decade the mood was uniquely up: "Dance to the Music," the single and album,
offered unprecedented energy and optimism. Hits like
" Everyday People" " S tand!" and "Hot Fun in the
Summertime" were soulful. Positive. Ambitious. Tolerant.
"Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks" was Sly's true philosophy. And they rocked like nothing else.
Formed in 1967 their music synthesized a variety of disparate musical genres to help pioneer the emerging "psychedelic soul" sound. They released a series of Top 10 hits such as "Dance to the Music" (1968), "Everyday People" (1968), and "Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)" (1969), as well as critically acclaimed albums such as Stand! (1969), which combined pop sensibility with social commentary. In the 1970s, it transitioned into a darker and less commercial funk sound on releases such as There's a Riot Goin' On (1971) and Fresh (1973), proving as influential as their early work. By 1975, drug problems and interpersonal clashes led to dissolution, though Sly continued to record and tour with a new rotating lineup under the name "Sly and the Family Stone" until drug problems forced his effective retirement in 1987. Yeah drugs can do that. A lot of drug use went on with Sly in the 70s.
The work of Sly and the Family Stone greatly influenced the sound of subsequent American funk, pop, soul, and R&B. George Clinton inducted Sly and the Family Stone in Jan. 1993.

Alright this finishes up the 1993 Class for Rock and Roll HOF. Some of my fav artists are in this class. Those are the Doors, Cream, CCR, Van Morrison as well as Sly and the Family Stone. I had never really heard of Frankie Lymon until this ceremony. Even in 1993 I knew Etta James but mainly the name. I learned about her music from this ceremony.
I do NOT have any idea who headlined the 1993 ceremony. I vaguely recall the DOORS may have. I have some good memory Eddie Vedder sang in replace of Jim Morrison I know that. Eddie V is wild a bit like Jim. I am recalling the DOORS headlined. And I love the Doors!
Ok thats it. Lets go time for Responses to 1993 class! Or its Ok I'll move on
RESPOND

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/14/2023 @ 05:38am

Too long clanky too long

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 02/14/2023 @ 15:34pm

Garrus,

You saying a post is too long is very ironic

My favorite album of all time is "Hysteria" by Def Leppard
My favorite song, too numerous to list overall, but to split by genre. If I take a rock song, it's "Happy" by Mudvayne right now, which does change, and my favorite rap song is pretty much constantly "Nuthin But a G Thang" by Dre and Snoop

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/14/2023 @ 15:57pm

K-Dawg,

I seem to have the longest posts in recent days. Garrus may mean Me. Ironic He says too long clanky Too long. What is clanky? Isnt that some kind of Mechanical problem.
Yeah I was reviewing the 1993 acts. I cant believe its 30 years I follow this. I paid attention in early 93 cause of Late 1960s acts. This was still the early days. Nobody including me saw any problems arrising. Who knew? Respond. This is the best chance I have at a response to 1993. I'm ready to drop this 1993 idea in a few days

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/14/2023 @ 16:59pm

BEN
I noticed your 1993 RRHOF Ceremony post here. 1993 I was a younger KING. Don't remember listening to or watching the ceremony. It's a very strong class. CCR and the legendary John Fogerty singing and playing guitar. I'm blown away by John Fogerty's talent as a singer and guitarist. He's incredible 1 of my FAVS. I think he should be inducted as a solo artist too. I think John Fogerty is in his late 70's now. He looks in fantastic shape . Proud Mary is a great song. My FAV CCR song might be Bad Moon Rising. It's a shame how all that went down with Fogerty and the rest of the band. Remember watching the 1993 RRHOF Ceremony. It didn't look very comfortable on stage. I remembering finding an old CCR tape discarded on the street while riding my bike. It caught my eye and I played it on my cassette tape recorder. My Sister also enjoyed their music CCR and the tape.
On The Doors, Jim Morrison burned brightly and quickly joining the 27 Club. Morrison still remains a mysterious and polarizing music artist. There are music fans that worship him like a God and others who didn't like him. Light My Fire still holds up today as a legendary song. I'm a big fan of L.A. Woman and The End. Great songs. They had a white hot peak but definitely deserving of RRHOF. I think the entire band is underrated if that's possible. It's difficulty losing a legendary singer. The Doors continued for a few years after Morrison died. AC/DC and Alice In Chains continued to be popular and succeed after losing their singers tragically. INXS had a more difficult time. Soundgarden in a similar position losing Chris Cornell. I was surprised how much I enjoyed The Doors movie. Val Kilmer looked very much like Jim Morrison. It was striking.
I think Sly & The Family Stone was extremely talented. Late 1960's and early 1970's, they were as good as it gets musically. Everyday People is a song most people remember. It's a shame that there were some drug use going on and stuff but many groups were using drugs in the 1970's. He could play many different instruments. Very deserving all 3 bands for RRHOF. I guess they the RRHOF could have waited a few years on their induction but why wait I suppose.
KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 02/14/2023 @ 20:36pm

KING,

Awesome that you responded. You were a member of the site when I did that whole retrospect of 1995-2019. On The Doors, Jim Morrison burned brightly and quickly joined that 27 Club. Jim still remains a mysterious and polarizing music artist as you say There are music fans that worship him like a God and others who didn't like him. I have had friends for both. Light My Fire still holds up today as a legendary Classic. I'm a big fan of the End, Unknown Soldier and the Soft Parade. continued for a few years after Jim died. My favorite albums of the Doors are the Doors first, the Soft Parade and Morrison Hotel. I heard Full Circle once, I bought and read the book Noone Here gets Out Alive. INXS had a difficult time after Michael H. Soundgarden in a similar position losing Chris Cornell. I was very pleased with The Doors movie. Val Kilmer looked very much like Jim Morrison I agree. It was striking.
I too think Sly & The Family Stone was extremely talented. Late 1960's and early 1970's, they were as good as it gets musically. And they played at Woodstock. Everyday People is a song very memorable and also Thank You For Lettinmebemyself. It's a shame that there were some drug use going on and stuff but many groups were using drugs in the 1970's. Hell yes they were.
In that class there was also Frankie Lymon and those Teenagers and Etta James. I am No doo wop fan. Leftover 50s acts was very common then. Leftovers They couldnt get to 1986,87. You can trace future problems to indulgences in the 1950s. This was a small problem that held back Jeff Beck, Chicago and the Moody Blues. Alll the acts were necessary for 1993. So it could have made larger. Then Jeff Beck or Moody Blues could have been fit in for 1993 or 94. Hey water under the bridge. I respect the F Lymon and Teenagers and Etta James inductions. This is why there is leftover acts every year. But in the same way I respect Frankie L without liking him There are many who respect the Moody Blues and Roxy Music in recent classes. Alright there is response, Ok K-Dawg I cant wait for you!

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/15/2023 @ 03:02am

I'll have a few thoughts later today, Ben. I will say, the Doors have always fascinated me, as a band that met its end much too soon, and has a haunting, enduring legacy, not unlike his 27 club co-members Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin to me. It was a horrific fad going on to die young in 1970.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/15/2023 @ 10:14am

K-Dawg,

That's awesome and cool getting your reviews of 1993 going. I love the Doors. You will probably review Cream, maybe Van Morrison and Sly and Family Stone. I loook forward to it

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/15/2023 @ 16:15pm

K-Dawg,

I have never known about Frankie L and the Teenagers. Me and my wife both call doo wop kinda fuddy duddy. I always like that word. Etta James is saved for me by being Blues with a touch of Jazz. Again I respect all the 50s inductees of 1993. But Cream, CCR and the DOORs makes it awesome. Also Van the Man Morrison. Even the most rebellious hippies loved Van Morrison. I think the Doors headlined. I haven't googled. I know Eddie Vedder sang for Jim M. Ok Coool I'll wait for ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/16/2023 @ 04:37am

Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

What's your favorite decade of music (1950's, 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, 2000's, 2010's or 2020's)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/16/2023 @ 19:58pm

Richie, I've gotta hand it to you. You asked an excellent question right there. Personally, I prefer music from the '60s, '70s, '80s & '90s, with an occasional splash of the 2000s. Some of the post 2000s music is good, but it doesn't resonate with me as much as the music of yesteryear. I can't relate to some of today's music.

Posted by Johnny on Thursday, 02/16/2023 @ 23:00pm

richie,

This is much more in line with what you had in mind for NON rock hall stuff.
I will go by era for some favorites

1960s: The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, the Doors The Moody Blues
1970s: The Who, Neil Young, Eric Clapton, Yes, Grateful Dead
1980s: Journey, Def Leppard, Prince, the Cars
1990s: Weezer, Pearl Jam, Dave Matthews Band, Shawn Colvin
2000s: White Stripes

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 03:47am

My preference overall would be 90s in terms of all genres, but I listen to stuff all the way from the 1940s to 2023 and will continue to.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 05:09am

I think Burt Bacharach may be inducted this year with special category as he passed away recently. He may be one of the most important songwriters all time.

Other candidates of special category may include Joe Tex, MC5, New York Dolls, Gram Parsons and so forth.

Posted by chasingWildcat on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 07:45am

Richie,

That's a tough question because I tend to like music from all eras. If I was forced to choose, I'd probably pick the 80s because that's when I really started to love music and expand my musical horizons. They the music you hear when you are 14 will always be your favorite and I was 14 in 1982-1983. But in general it just depends on my mood. Sometimes I want to hear Fats Domino and sometimes I want to hear Wet Leg.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 10:10am

KING FAV 1990's Albums
1. Queensryche-Empire
2. Counting Crows-August And Everything After
3. Soundgarden-SuperUnknown
4. Nirvana-Nevermind
5. Matchbox 20-Yourself Or Someone Like You.
6. Pearl Jam-10
7. Oasis-What's The Story Morning Glory?
8. Cinderella-Heartbreak Station
9. Handsome-Handsome
10. Counting Crows-Recovering The Satellites

I think 1980's would be the music since these were the years I was old enough to listen to music. Bryan Adams, Def Leppard, LA Guns, Scorpions, U2 all KING FAVS. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 13:51pm

I would say the 1980's would be my FAV decade as there were so many big time artists and great songs at 1 time. Billy Idol, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Bryan Adams, Def Leppard, Duran Duran, Elton John, INXS, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, The Bangles, Tina Turner, Van Halen, U2 etc. Most are in the RRHOF. Also, the 1980's was when MTV showcased many amazing videos that made many new artists. It also was a quieter time before the increase of media and cell phones and Internet. Groups like Duran Duran made videos an art form filming in exotic locals like Sri Lanka. I gravitated to the harder rock and metal acts. Bryan Adams, Def Leppard, U2 were probably my Top 3 and they're still going strong. KING has a good eye and ear for longevity and talent. Great Topic!
KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 14:03pm

I just want to give a shout out to Def Leppard as they were my 1st FAV band. Started listening to music in 1982 & 1983 and Pyromania is still my FAV ALBUM of all-time. Every song could have been a smash hit. Foolin' Photograph, Rock Of Ages, Too Late For Love etc. I was immediately drawn to their guitar work and music. I also like the Union Jack they used to have. They appear to be good people. Def Leppard was at the top of their game when Rick Allen the drummer had his accident and lost his arm. I always admired Def Leppard that they kept Rick Allen in the band. There must have been pressure to add another drummer and continue the great hard rock metal sound. They adapted their sound and Rick Allen had to learn the special drum kit they had designed. He was their friend and their mate. Hysteria was a brilliant creation and sold millions of albums. Animal might be my FAV song and the amazing song Hysteria. Losing great guitarist Steve Clark was another blow to the band. Most bands would have broken underneath the weight of these tragic circumstances. Def Leppard just gained strength and continued to forge ahead. I was very excited to see Def Leppard inducted into the RRHOF. They were plenty deserving.
KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 14:21pm

And as for me
I would say the 1970s would be my FAV decade as there were so many big artists and great albums. David Bowie Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Yes, the Moody Blues, The WHO, Grateful Dead, Elton John, James Taylor, Cat Stevens, Earth, Wind & Fire, Jethro Tull and Bill Withers
There is so many in the 70s.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/17/2023 @ 17:15pm

I will chat about 2 Favorite bands of all time. My 1st FAV band was the Beatles. Yep John, Paul, George and Ringo. The first Beatles album I bought was Meet the Beatles. With alll those early songs. It has I Wanna Hold Your Hand, I Saw her standing There, This Boy, etc. Soon after I bought 1962-1966. Eight Days a Week, Ticket to Ride, Yesterday, Help. You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, We Can Work it Out. Day Tripper, etc. But my favorite Beatles album ever is Revolver. Revolver is great.
The Beatles recorded Revolver after taking a three-month break at the start of 1966, and during a period when London was the hot spot. Regarded by some commentators as the start of the group's psychedelic period, the songs reflect their interest in the drug LSD, Eastern philosophy and the avant-garde while addressing themes such as death and transcendence of material concerns. With no plans to reproduce their new material in concert, the band made liberal use of automatic double tracking, varispeed, reversed tapes, close audio miking, and instruments outside of their standard live set-up. Among its tracks are "Eleanor Rigby", a song about loneliness featuring a string octet as its only musical assistance. I'm Only Sleeping, Love You Too are great too. "Tomorrow Never Knows", incorporating heavy Indian drone and a collage of tape loops is Mind blowing. Every song is great.
Revolver expanded the boundaries of pop music, revolutionised standard practices in studio recording, advanced principles spread by the 1960s counterculture, and inspired the development of psychedelic rock, and later on progressive rock The album cover, designed by Klaus Voormann, is ingenius, Revolver has surpassed Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band in many critics' estimation as the Beatles' best album. It was ranked first in many music books.
I consider this album Revolver my favorite instead of Sgt Pepper because Revolver led to Sgt Pepper. Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club.Band is also magnificent. Released in 1967 Sgt Pepper officially ushered in the Psychedelic Era. Sgt Pepper theme, Help from my Friends, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, Getting Better and the rest are great. And most of you also know Magical Mystery Tour album and so on and so on. I dont think anyone has mentioned the Beatles too much, Heyy my first FAV band, BUT not my all time overalll. I will cover my FAV band of all time NEXT. Also huge British band. STAY tuned

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/18/2023 @ 03:15am

My Actual favorite band is the Who. Certainly a key British Rock band. Their great music goes back to the 1960s. The Who developed from an earlier group, the Detours, and established themselves as part of the pop art and mod movements, featuring revolutionary art by destroying guitars and drums on stage. Their first single as the Who, "I Can't Explain" (1965), reached the UK top ten, and was followed by a string of hit singles including "My Generation" (1965), "Substitute" (1966) and "Happy Jack" (1966). In 1967, they performed at the Monterey Pop Festival and released "I Can See for Miles", one of their few top 10 hits It could be the only Top 10 hit. The group's 1969 concept album Tommy included the single "Pinball Wizard" and was a critical and commercial success.. Tommy needs to be known as a whole album entity.
Further festival appearances at Woodstock and the Isle of Wight, along with the concert album Live at Leeds (1970), established their reputation as a respected rock act. The success put pressure on lead songwriter Townshend, and the follow-up to Tommy, Lifehouse, was abandoned. Songs from the project made up Who's Next (1971), Its another favorite album of mine including the hits "Won't Get Fooled Again", "Baba O'Riley", and "Behind Blue Eyes". The group released another concept album, Quadrophenia (1973), as a celebration of their mod roots, and became another huge success. This is MY FAV album of all time. The Who by Numbers is an underrated fav of mine. Its a great album in the face of personal problems. They continued to tour to large audiences before semi-retiring from live performances at the end of 1976. Unfortunately, the release of Who Are You (1978) was overshadowed by Moon's death shortly after.
Kenny Jones replaced Keith M as drummer. The Who did officially split up in 1983. But clearly that didn't last when they re formed for live appearances like Live Aid and a terrific 25th Anniversary tour in 1989. I saw the Who during 1989 tour. The WHO is my FAVORITE band. Please respond everybody

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 04:42am

Ben, you're goddamn annoying!

Posted by A Non E. Muss on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 05:26am

I just want to add I saw the Who 4 times. Not bad for somebody who has been short on money at times in the past. I should have seen the Who at the 1982 tour but Tickets were scalped by a friend to someone else. Held a grudge on friend. I saw the Who at Meadowlands NEW Jersey 1989. Also Twice in the 1990s and in 2000 exactly at Jones Beach NY. Stopped seeing the Who after John E died. BUT certainly my favorite band. I own all the Who material up to early 2000s. Thats about 40 years of the Who music

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 05:31am

A Non E. Muss,
Wat? I'm annoying! Well in that case since I'm flexible and positive I shut this down Now. Maybe this is a joke or maybe whom ever this is is annoyed by me. Welll I shut this down NOW. I was doing this good idea of richie. I willl disappear for awhile. I come in peace. Thats it for me! Huge recess. For a long while Byeee

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 05:38am

Ben,

You're not annoying, No way, You're a good friend to this site and a great friend to me on here for many years now, You're not annoying in every sense of the word, Please reconsider and come back to this site and do the 2020, 2021 and 2022 classes, Please reconsider coming back on here. Thanks and Have a great day....

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 09:33am

Ben,

You are not annoying at all. Don't listen to what the one hit wonder moron has to complain. He's sad because his knowledge of music is probably extremely limited...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 17:30pm

2023 nominee should be my girl Angela Bofill, please contact Angela Bofill at the live at Nite.Com at Manager Rich Engel at address 118 Oakland Road,Maplewood N.J. 07040 call 1-973-670-5498. Sincerely legends, I want Angela Bofill nominated for her song too tough. Also want Angela Bofill to win it all , this year of 2023. So please contact asap. For nomination 2023.

Posted by Ben gameza on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 18:48pm

And the 2023 legends hall winner is angel bofill. For her song performance Too Tough, Angela Bofill this is your year, now to shine. Legends please contact Angela Bofill Manager at Rich Engel Live at Nite,Com . Phone 1-973-670-5498, let's make, Angela Bofill a 2023 winner. Put her hit Song Too Tough, in the history books, at legends hall asap. Sincerely get her nominated.

Posted by Kim smith on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 19:02pm

I see everybody else on the 2023 nomination list. But not Angela Bofill, Come On Legends hall, Contact Angela Bofill. Manager Rich Engel at Live at Nite. Com , make that call 1-973-670-5498, Email her at http://www.Angela Bofill.Com , Angela Bofill song too tough is 2023 winner, She had a lot of fans , that had sent nomination emails, Since last year of 2022. Legends did you count them at all, COME ON ANGELA BOFILL HAD WON THE NOMINATION FOR 2023. I WANT TO SEE ANGELA BOFILL NAME ON THE 2023 LIST WITH , MISSY ELLIOT, CYNDI LAUPE ,TRIBE CALLED QUEST, AND GEORGE MICHAELS. SINCERELY LEGENDS, ANGELA BOFILL IS TOO TOUGH. TONOT BE A WINNER HERE.

Posted by Gracie Smith on Sunday, 02/19/2023 @ 19:20pm

So..the Doors. I will admit, I don't know a whole lot about them during their active days. Jim Morrison was an early 2 Live Crew, Tupac, a rebel fighting a cause against censorship decades before you would dream about hearing lyrics that are taken for granted today. Dropping an F bomb at a concert got you hauled off to the "pokey" quicker than you could blink. In the era of Make Love Not War, he wanted a form of both, but nonviolently. The songs by the Doors, with Morrison, Ray Manzanarek, Robbie Krieger and John Densmore are almost instantly recognizable. You have the riffs, the eerie keyboards, the unmistakable percussion. Even before you get to Morrison's haunting vocals, you know the Doors songs. Light My Fire is to me, the sound of the 60s that makes you think of times gone by. Lyrics that are very explosive, yet it seems people don't listen to them. So many notable songs...Break on Through, LA Woman, The End, Riders on the Storm, People Are Strange, Alabama Getaway (Whiskey Bar), Crystal Ship, Soul Kitchen...and that just scratches the surface of their all too brief foray into psychedelic antiestablishment rock. Once Jim Morrison died of his overdose, something was lost. 1970 signaled the end of the Woodstock/Flower Power times. The trinity of Jimi, Janis and Jim took us into the heavier times of the 70s and the beginning of recession, inflation, and the advent of guitar rock, heavy metal's infancy, soul/funk, disco, and the very beginnings of the roots of rap. In the next decade, this last would become the voice of rebellion as a new generation struggled to find its voice, but Jim Morrison, like his peers, started the ball rolling that the days of rock and roll only being symbollic of change transformed into real change.The Lizard King is so influential, that despiet his short career, there is no one who doubts his band's place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Ben, come back!

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/20/2023 @ 01:28am

What happened to the board?

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/20/2023 @ 21:56pm

K-Dawg,

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Warren Zevon

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

regarding your predictions for the 2023 inductees (If 7 inductees again), I agree with you on Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson and Warren Zevon, but you're missing two very important things here: You're missing a POC choice and some 90's acts, I think that you should take out Joy Division/New Order and The White Stripes out of your predictions and add Sheryl Crow and Soundgarden in their place, and switch Kate Bush and The Spinners around (move Kate to Musical Excellence and The Spinners to the Performers category just to get a POC choice in the Performers category this year).

I think you're way overestimating Kate Bush's chances of induction as a Performer this year, I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

I also think you're way overestimating Joy Division/New Order's chances this year as well, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYN if The Cure, The Replacements, Nine Inch Nails, The Smiths, Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, Eurythmics and Radiohead couldn't, The 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that seem to be getting in in recent years are the ones that had major mainstream commercial success and are major populist (household names) from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era like The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics (and before that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, Blondie and R.E.M.), while The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo have all failed to get voted in, JD/NO is more closer to The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo group than the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had more commercial success and name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, JD/NO (like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush, Devo, Pixies and Sonic Youth) just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club did, so I see them (JD/NO) struggling to get voted in just like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth), I think that they're gonna be more like Kate Bush, Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth) and take multiple nominations to get voted in.

As much as I love The White Stripes, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYE especially if Radiohead couldn't back in 2018, so I think that they will get the Radiohead treatment and I think that they will wait a year just like Radiohead and they will get in next year in 2024 on their second year of eligibility just like Radiohead did back in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/20/2023 @ 23:01pm

The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 02/21/2023 @ 00:39am

Let's continue talking about non-Rock Hall stuff:

What are your favorite Halls of Fame besides the Rock Hall (National Baseball Hall of Fame, Pro Football Hall of Fame, Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, National Soccer Hall of Fame, International Tennis Hall of Fame, Canadian Music Hall of Fame, Songwriters Hall of Fame or Country Music Hall of Fame)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/21/2023 @ 09:10am

Premiering Sunday, Feb.26 on Road To Jamnation Ep. 14: I discuss the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame & present the first half of interview with HOF Nominating committee member Alan Light. Exclusively on Spotify at 10AM PST (1PM EST). Search for: Road To Jamnation
Promo video:
https://youtu.be/CbfNYai6ra0

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 02/21/2023 @ 22:49pm

Pro Football Hall of Fame
WWE Hall of Fame
Video Game Hall of Fame

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/22/2023 @ 11:58am

Pro Football Hall of Fame
WWE Hall of Fame
National Baseball Hall of Fame

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/22/2023 @ 13:37pm

Hey guys

Hope y'all are well. Richie hope you're family is doing ok. Been away on a trip.

Anything new

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/22/2023 @ 18:13pm

Mat R,

I'm doing okay, My family's okay as we're gonna be, Glad to see you back on here, I sure missed you while yo were away, Anyway, What are your favorite Halls of Fame besides the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/22/2023 @ 18:46pm

Richie

Not really a hall of fame but I find the honorary academy awards quite interesting. Like they have a weirdly negative rep for being consolation prizes for people who never won one but that really isn't the case with them when you actually like look into them. They're also incredibly unpredictable unlike say most similar honours.

Beyond that the hockey hall of fame is one I watch a lot. I know baseball is the gold standard but hockey really seems like the most exclusive of any of the halls of fame. Like the fact guys like goalies Tom barrasso and Chris Osgood or skaters like Alex mogilny and Jeremy roenick aren't in really tells you the caliber of who they want in there.

Lastly I find the WWE hall of fame fascinating cause it is quite openly about money and how one or two guys feel about people. They're also maybe the most diverse hall of fame by design and that's nice.

Is Ozzy the lone rock n roll and WWE hall of famer?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/22/2023 @ 21:34pm

Ok Everyone. I'm back. I was just slightly shocking to hear or Read I'm annoying. I think I came across as some "annoying" baby boomer perhaps with my longer posts on the Beatles and the Who. Those are 2 of my favorite acts of all time. I was doing the same as King. But with 2 of my favorites. Ok We move on.
I will skip ahead to the 1980s. My fav band of the 80s may be Journey.
Journey had their biggest commercial success between 1978 and 1987, when Steve Perry was lead vocalist; they released a series of hits, including "Don't Stop Believin'" (1981), and also Who's Cryin Now. Escape, Journey's seventh and most successful album, reached number one on the Billboard 200 and yielded another of their most popular hits , "Open Arms". The 1983 follow-up album, Frontiers, was almost as successful in the United States, reaching number two and spawning several successful singles; I like these 2 albums a lot. Ive owned them. I was very excited when Journey was inducted into the Rock and Roll HOF.
Ok I am back!

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 04:22am

Ben, you are not annoying. Like reading your opinions.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 05:32am

Hey what can I say I've been here at this site for 8 years. I want going to stay away too long. NOT everyone will like my Long reviews of the 1960s and 70s band. I love Journey,Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and Blondie almost as much And many other acts that are kinda Modern. Some 1990s too

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 12:11pm

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

If 7: Missy Elliott or The White Stripes

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

I think that people are way overestimating Kate Bush's chances of induction as a Performer this year, I just think that this is a tough ballot for her once again this year, I do think that she'll get in this year because of the resurgence that she has had this past year, but I see her getting the LL Cool J/Judas Priest treatment here this year (In other words, She'll get in via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years, rather than as a Performer).

I think that people are way overestimating Joy Division/New Order's chances this year as well, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in FYN if The Cure, The Replacements, Nine Inch Nails, The Smiths, Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, Eurythmics, Radiohead and Devo couldn't, The 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that seem to be getting into the Rock Hall in recent years are the ones that have had major mainstream commercial success and are big major populist (household names) from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era like The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics (and before that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie and R.E.M.), while The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo have all failed to get voted in, JD/NO are more closer to The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo group than the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, I think that The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club would have had a much better chance with voters had they gotten nominated this year instead of JD/NO because The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club (like Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics) have had more commercial success and more name recognition in America as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative acts go than JD/NO, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club are more closer to the Talking Heads/The Police/Elvis Costello & The Attractions/The Pretenders/U2/Blondie/R.E.M./The Cars/The Cure/Depeche Mode/The Go-Go's/Duran Duran/Eurythmics group than the JD/NO/The Replacements/The Smiths/Kate Bush/Devo/Pixies/Sonic Youth group in terms of commercial success and name recognition in America, JD/NO (like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush, Devo, Pixies and Sonic Youth) just didn't have the commercial success and name recognition in America that Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Pet Shop Boys, Huey Lewis & The News and Culture Club did, so I see them (JD/NO) struggling to get voted in just like The Replacements, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Devo (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth as well), I think that they're gonna be more like Kate Bush, Devo, The Smiths and The Replacements (and eventually Pixies and Sonic Youth as well) and take multiple nominations to get voted in.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 13:11pm

One more person's thoughts on the 2023 nominees:

KATE BUSH: Probably not. The Hall doesn't recognize many acts that weren't popular in the States, so I would guess that 2023 will be another unsuccessful nomination for Kate Bush.
SHERYL CROW: A good chance. A lot of name recognition, and she has appeared at several recent ceremonies (and inducted Fleetwood Mac). She's probably in.
MISSY ELLIOTT: The Hall has obviously inducted rap and hip-hop acts--but they've been a lot more well-known than Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott. My guess is no.
IRON MAIDEN: An outside chance; two hard rock acts (Foo Fighters and Judas Priest) were recently inducted--and with all of their (living) members presumably voting, they may get in.
CYNDI LAUPER: Welcome to Cleveland.
GEORGE MICHAEL: The Hall hasn't inducted any deceased performers in the last two years, but that's the only reason I can think of for him not being inducted. I think he's in.
JOY DIVISION + NEW ORDER: Maybe, if they don't split the vote with Warren Zevon. If they do, I think Zevon has it.
WILLIE NELSON: Dolly Parton got in last year even after she asked to have her nomination pulled. I think that says all we need to know about the Hall's willingness to consider country acts.
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE: I would imagine influence helps--influence such as having Tom Morello on the nominating committee. I would imagine they have a better-than-average chance, perhaps if there are six or seven inductees this year.
SOUNDGARDEN: Might do well for the same reason that Iron Maiden might do well--more hard-rock voters--but if the vote is split, I think it will go to Iron Maiden.
THE SPINNERS: Arguably the most deserving act on this nomination list; unfortunately, they were arguably the most deserving act the several prior times they were nominated. May have been forgotten, tragically. Maybe set up for an early influence or musical excellence.
A TRIBE CALLED QUEST: Like Missy Elliott, obscure (to non-rap fans or non-music fans) rap acts do not have a good track record for induction. Probably not.
THE WHITE STRIPES: A lot of appeal among fans--particularly sports fans--but probably not with real voters.
WARREN ZEVON: As with George Michael, no deceased performers have been inducted in the last two years, but as with George Michael, we may very well see two exceptions this year.

My SWAG (Scientific Wild-Assed Guess) as to the final inductees: Sheryl Crow, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon; if six Iron Maiden or Soundgarden, if seven Joy Division + New Order.

Posted by Joe S. on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 15:09pm

Additional thoughts on the nominees:

Both Cyndi Lauper & George Michael would split the overall voting & I could only see one of them inducted this year. That would definitely go to Lauper since she's leading the fan ballot.

Initially I thought the White Stripes would have to wait a few more years since there's a lot of backlog need to be corrected but the Hall wants more inclusiveness for both induction & ceremony so i could see them as voted in.

I picked Sheryl Crow as one of the 6 acts to be inducted but it may not happen this year so give her one more nomination by next year.

Rage Against the Machine & Soundgarden would both split the voting, if one or both of them don't get voted in then put these bands under Musical Excellence but not in the same year especially RATM since it's their 5th nomination.

Joy Division/New Order doesn't have any competition from anyone this year & given the fact it took Depeche Mode & The Cure 13 - 15 years, it might as well be their time since they're still active & it's been around 20 years since they're first eligible.

Iron Maiden: See RATM & Soundgarden.

Warren Zevon would definitely become an FYN inductee since he also doesn't have any competition.

The Spinners would be one of those sure things not to get inducted as performers since we're at the time when the 80's & 90's are taking over the election process. Next year or two, they'll be Early Influence picks.

Missy Elliott & Willie Nelson are the only locks for induction this year.

Kate Bush would either go in either performer or Musical Excellence & this will be her year no matter what.

A Tribe Called Quest might go through the same route as LL Cool J to be honored so I'll happen in the few years.

So I changed my predictions a little for who will be inducted this year based on my statements above.

Missy Elliott
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
The White Stripes
Warren Zevon

Musical Excellence:
Kate Bush
Rage Against the Machine
Chaka Khan

Early Influence:
New York Dolls
John Coltrane
Big Mama Thornton

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Haven't thought of one, will come back to ponder.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 19:55pm

I don't think Rage will be Musical Excellence. Too huge of a name and would be the slap in the face towards Tom and his hard work for the Hall. Just no way. Have they exhausted their chances? Yes. But really no way can I see Rage get the side door. And this isn't my inner fanboy talking.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 20:15pm

My predictions for the 2023 inductees are:

Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
Willie Nelson
Soundgarden
Warren Zevon

If 7: Missy Elliott or The White Stripes

with Kate Bush getting inducted via Musical Excellence just like LL Cool J and Judas Priest did in recent years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 20:18pm

BEN
Glad that you are back. Don't let the bastards grind you down. Some try to bully and get a cheap thrill or rise out of the person posting. Trolling they call it. People know your importance here. On Journey, I think my FAV song is Wheel In The Sky. It's a great and powerful song. Bringing in Steve Perry into the band as lead singer...It just was the perfect final piece propelling Journey into Super Stardom. Other KING FAVS include: Don't Stop Believing, Separate Ways, Who's Crying Now, etc. Journey unfortunately fell victim, like many 80's bands, writing some softer ballads to reach an even wider music audience. Also, for radio play and add a few more hits. I like when bands stay on a harder rock or metal sound. I enjoyed Steve Perry's song Oh Sherrie back in the day. It would be around 40 years old now. Amazing how time flies. I think Journey and a few popular artists were inducted for big hits and some great platinum album and signature songs. It also helped Journey has some outstanding and respected musicians. Steve Perry Vocalist. One of the best singers on a mic. Neal Schon rocking that guitar and some incredible solos. Johnathan Cain also respected on the keyboards. I think Journey was deserving RRHOF. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 20:48pm

White stripes got a big endorsement yesterday. Kinda of the opposite of Missy.

Might be safe to say they're the critics pick, over bush and jd/no, as pitchfork and fantano have also given them the nod.

https://www.spin.com/2023/02/greatest-two-person-bands/

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 22:10pm

PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Iron Maiden
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
EARLY INFLUENCE
Sugarhill Gang
NONPERFORMER
Wolfman Jack