If any post punk band could get in, it'd be Joy Division. Sadly, the Hall has an antipathy towards post-punk that rivals only their utter dismissal of progressive rock, arena rock and anything approximating heavy metal.

Posted by Hunter Morrow on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 08:43am

http://rockhall.com/photo-gallery/legends-series-featuring/2563/

The Hall has no problem with Joy Division / New Order. That is how they will be nominated and inducted. They already have an exhibit. Check it out.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09/3/2013 @ 09:06am

Not before JOY DIVISION!!!!

Posted by BulmaPunkRocker on Sunday, 07/6/2014 @ 22:56pm

They should have been inducted a loooooong time ago.

Posted by BulmaPunkRocker on Sunday, 07/6/2014 @ 23:19pm

Favorite band of all time. Pretty much single-handedly taught me how to write music. Fantastic albums with incredible consistency in their '80s albums. Perfect Kiss (extended version) is my favorite song of all time. I believe both will enter the HOF, but like others have said this "HOF" is absolutely worthless and holds no merit to me. In other words, I could care less. I believe both bands should be inducted separately bc of their different genres and the different paths both bands created. Both Joy Division and New Order were incredibly influential within rock. I really can't say enough about this band.

Posted by American on Tuesday, 02/24/2015 @ 23:26pm

They should be inducted as Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04/10/2016 @ 09:36am

They should be inducted as Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04/10/2016 @ 09:37am

Joy Of Cooking

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 08/30/2016 @ 21:19pm

New Radicals

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 08/30/2016 @ 21:20pm

Given the personnel overlap they should induct New Order and Joy Division as one group of performers and recognize the collective work as worthy.

Posted by William on Friday, 12/30/2016 @ 13:51pm

Should be nominated and inducted as Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01/10/2017 @ 04:47am

Should be nominated and inducted as Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01/10/2017 @ 04:48am

A no-brainer - they need to be in the Hall!

Posted by Tim on Saturday, 01/21/2017 @ 11:54am

I already told Steven Van Zandt and that guy from the Roots (I forgot his name) on twitter that Joy Division and New Order should be nominated and inducted as Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 03/12/2018 @ 09:47am

I already told Steven Van Zandt and that guy from the Roots (I forgot his name) on twitter that Joy Division and New Order should be nominated and inducted as Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 03/12/2018 @ 09:48am

Through two albums and one hell of a good single, Ian Curtis, Peter Hook, Bernard Sumner, and Stephen Morris pretty much invented, if not laid down the foundation for all alternative music to come after. If not for them bands like Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins, The Stone Roses, The Smiths, Oasis, The Cure, Arctic Monkeys, and Kasabian would’ve had any chance of making it in the industry. They created one of the most iconic melodies of all time with the chorus of “Love Will Tear Us Apart”, and their debut album “Unknown Pleasures” is one of the most influential alternative albums of all time (just observe the number of t-shirts sold with the album’s artwork...obviously the iconic stature of not only the music but the COVER is indenture enough to give the lads their due). Music would’ve been vastly different if not for this great band, and Ian Curtis should’ve definitely been given this honor a log time ago for being one of the most simultaneous loved and misunderstood geniuses of his generation, almost synonymous and recognizable as the British Kurt Cobain.

Posted by Tyler Partnow on Wednesday, 05/9/2018 @ 14:57pm

This is how I listen to "Regret" by New Order

01. 1982: I'll Melt With You by Modern English
02. 1983: Every Breath You Take by The Police
03. 1983: Time After Time by Cyndi Lauper
04. 1986: Don't Dream It's Over by Crowded House
05. 1988: Wind Beneath My Wings by Bette Midler
06. 1989: Do You Remember by Phil Collins
07. 1989: The End Of The Innocence by Don Henley
08. 1990: Show Me The Way by Styx
09. 1991: I Will Remember You by Amy Grant
10. 1991: It's So Hard To Say Goodbye To Yesterday by Boyz II Men
11. 1992: This Used To Be My Playground by Madonna
12. 1993: Ordinary World by Duran Duran
13. 1993: Regret by New Order
14. 1995: Name by Goo Goo Dolls
15. 1995: Don't Speak by No Doubt
16. 1997: MMMBop by Hanson

Posted by Roy on Monday, 06/18/2018 @ 08:33am

The guy who wrote this article wants Joy Division/New Order in the Hall.

“This is a two-for-one, since the latter of these two bands was formed from the remnants of the former and, minus the eventual replacement of a bassist and the inclusion of a keyboardist, the lineup has remained consistent. This is not without precedent, as the bands Parliament and Funkadelic shared an induction in a similar fashion. It also helps that both of these bands have proved influential in a variety of ways over the course of their careers.

Joy Division released two highly regarded albums, “Unknown Pleasures” and “Closer,” before the tragic suicide of lead singer Ian Curtis. These two records formed the bedrock of the gothic rock and post-punk movements, due to their dark ambiance, deeply personal themes and sparse arrangements, qualities that were considered novel at the time.

The remaining members of the band then formed New Order, and went on to pioneer the synth-pop genre in the ‘80s, with releases such as “Power, Corruption & Lies” and “Low-Life.” Their song “Blue Monday” remains the best-selling 12-inch single of all time and is still in heavy rotation on ‘80s radio stations.

In many ways the quintessential ‘80s band, New Order was among the best of the new crop of artists of that decade and their work still holds up, a trait quite rare in a decade ridiculed for its gimmicky and trend-chasing music. Their shared pedigree in Joy Division only furthers their staying power.”

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/lifestyles/three-bands-that-need-to-be-in-the-rock-and/article_08b166c0-87df-11e8-9cde-dbca9aab1a33.html

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 07/21/2018 @ 14:20pm

It's an absolute joke that they arn't in yet. They make themselves look uneducated not putting them in.

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 11/3/2018 @ 21:16pm

@ Michael

That because it’s hard to induct smaller acts like Joy Division/New Order. Most of the general population have never heard of them. Sad but true.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 11/3/2018 @ 22:33pm

Having Joy Division get in as Joy Division/New Order is one of the dumbest ideas i have ever heard

Posted by Michael on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 19:32pm

Yeah, there are a lot of songs to REGRET listening to in that playlist. Vomitosis to the maximum.

So, I commented on the JD page that I couldn't think of any other situation like their with NO but then I saw someone mention P/Funk and yeah that makes sense. 100%. now we just have to make it happen.

Posted by Gary on Sunday, 12/30/2018 @ 14:55pm

I said it there, I will say it here, STEVE BROTHERDALE HAS NO PLACE IN THE LISTING. He was in the band for 2 months, played on a 5 song demo, and was kicked out after trying to recruit Ian to be in his other band. You think that's the kind of chump they want to induct? NO. I'm all for Phil Cunningham getting inducted but it will be a freaking slap in the face if they try to induct whoever this arse they've replaced Hooky with.

Posted by Gary on Sunday, 12/30/2018 @ 15:01pm

Then you must hear a lot of dumb ideas, Michael, because it's the only one that makes sense, considering they were the exact same musically creative core, and you can hear the same creative direction near the end, of synth driven electronic music,which IAN HIMSELF set them on by introducing them to Kraftwerk. To sound like Rob Gretton, "Hallelujah, you can fookin blame Ian Curtis for the sound of New Order"

Posted by Gary on Sunday, 12/30/2018 @ 15:13pm

THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Joy Division/New Order

01. Ian Curtis (Joy Division)
02. Peter Hook (Joy Division/New Order)
03. Stephen Morris (Joy Division/New Order)
04. Bernard Albrecht/Sumner (Joy Division/New Order)
05. Gillian Gilbert (New Order)

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12/30/2018 @ 23:06pm

THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Joy Division/New Order

01. Ian Curtis (Joy Division)
02. Peter Hook (Joy Division/New Order)
03. Stephen Morris (Joy Division/New Order)
04. Bernard Albrecht/Sumner (Joy Division/New Order)
05. Gillian Gilbert (New Order)

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12/30/2018 @ 23:07pm

I still think Phil Cunningham should get in, he was technically a full-fledged member on the last album Hooky was on, Waiting for the Siren's Call. Which makes him a member for enough of the core group's time, in my honest/humble opinion. He began playing live with them on the tour for Get Ready since Gillian Gilbert didn't do that tour. I'd even said that after Hooky left, if they had jsut gotten Phil to play bass and brought Gillian back, it would have still been a legitimate attempt at calling it New Order and I think Hooky would have respected it more. But they didn't...

Posted by Gary on Friday, 01/4/2019 @ 17:58pm

New Order fans may be interested in knowing that Showtime has now been airing a new documentary on Joy Division/New Oder titled "Decades," which had premiered last night. Check your local listings for other times.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/28/2019 @ 13:15pm

New Order fans may be interested in knowing that Showtime has now been airing a new documentary on Joy Division/New Order titled "Decades," which had premiered last night. Check your local listings for other air times.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/28/2019 @ 13:29pm

Peter Hook: We're not in the Hall cause we're not together.

I really think he's wrong about it. What Joy Division/New Order lacks is mainstream popularity here in the states and they're a niche band with maybe no radio staples or only just one. But I wouldn't be surprised if they do get nominated and inducted for next year's class. With the Cars, the Cure, Roxy Music, and Depeche Mode now in, 80's alternative/New Wave now inducts 80's alternative/New Wave. Hell, even Trent Reznor and a couple of members from Radiohead will vote for them to support. It shouldn't take a lot of tries for those guys to get in.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 05/12/2020 @ 09:46am

I love both joy division and new order and while they are different early new order is very much a continuation of late period joy division. I am as big an underground music snob as ever and i'd be thrilled and cool with them being inducted together and i expect it to happen in the next decade.

Posted by David on Tuesday, 02/23/2021 @ 20:16pm

Like it or not, the only reason Joy Division isn't in is because they never signed with a major label. People can bring up anything else to say otherwise, but the truth is if they signed with RCA Records as originally intended and released their two albums on that label they would have gotten in a few years after eligibility. Sometimes people bring up lack of notability in America, but they were late bloomers; many people know songs like Transmission, and the Unknown Pleasures cover is still one of rock's most famous images. Sometimes the band tensions, particularly with Hooky, are brought up, but they had years of eligibility when still together and weren't considered. This of course doesn't get into their influence, which might be the greatest of an act still not in, or combining their resume with New Order, in which they become the biggest snubs by far.

They'll get in eventually, because it's starting to become a bit ridiculous not having them in and the backlog will get covered with the lull of real rock artists in the upcoming 2 decades. But they are definite examples of how internal politics get in the way of qualified artists actually making it.

Posted by Guest on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 21:10pm

They will be nominated and inducted as Joy Division / New Order.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 21:34pm

They will be nominated and inducted as Joy Division / New Order.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02/28/2021 @ 21:37pm

On the eve of the release of this year's list of R&RHOF inductee candidates, will we finally see the premier post-punk/pre-EDM rockers finally make the list? Their best chance to finally get the recognition THEY all deserve is a joint induction as Joy Division/New Order. They need to be recognized for what THEY did to reshape music. Love Will Tear Us Apart and Blue Monday are both on the soundtrack of every oddball's life. You can't have one without the other.

Posted by DCJ on Tuesday, 02/1/2022 @ 10:21am

NEXT YEAR JOY DIVISION IN PLEASE!

Posted by Rick Molotov on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 16:40pm

New Order is well deserving for consideration. They have consistantly put out great music over the past 30 years, to include the best selling 12" of all time, Blue Monday. Please consider them and find them in the 2022 induction. You got it right with Roxy, Kraftwerk and Depeche Mode, it is time for New Order.

Posted by Patrick Ellison on Wednesday, 08/31/2022 @ 11:36am

Joy Division / New Order

01. Ian Curtis (Joy Division)
02. Peter Hook (Joy Division / New Order)
03. Stephen Morris (Joy Division / New Order)
04. Bernard Sumner (Joy Division / New Order)
05. Gillian Gilbert (New Order)

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02/3/2023 @ 08:03am

I never knew of Joy Division and didnt like New Order. After seeing them dominate critics top songs and albums I started listening and to the crazy back story of thr leas singer having seizures on stage and ecentually passing at say 22. the band members always said well create a new band if one passes and did and it became pop New Order. They are sensational and are musical genius clearly. Vote for
Them at the 2023 rock Hall of Fame. One of my favorite bands now.

Posted by Brett elkins on Saturday, 02/11/2023 @ 01:12am

I always wonder who is on the voting committee of supposed music historians. Link Wray isn't in which lacks common sense nor is Joy Division, Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Idol, MC5, or Warren Zevon. Zevon should get in this year finally.

I fear they'll mess up JD finally getting in because of the Stranger Things only Kate Bush factor, or well the fact they're dense hipsters. Musicians should be the ones voting for this because whomever is isn't very intelligent or knowledgeable.

Posted by Rik on Thursday, 04/13/2023 @ 17:05pm

After some reflection, I believe Joy Division/New Order might be inducted around 2030 through the Musical Excellence path, or they might never get inducted or even nominated, especially if there's a stronger lean towards pop. I'm pondering who would cast their votes for them. In the UK, their most prominent territory, they lack appeal to the older British voters because of their gloomy and quirky nature. Some younger British inductees might vote for them, but I suspect influential figures like Paul McCartney, members of The Zombies or The Moody Blues, Elvis Costello, and Elton John might have already dismissed JDNO. As for Americans, would white boomers vote for them? Definitely not. They're likely unaware of JDNO. Older Black individuals such as Stevie Wonder or Buddy Guy certainly wouldn't, and while a few younger Black Americans might, the majority, including Jay-Z and Missy Elliott, would likely vote for mainstream and Black artists instead of JDNO. Thus, it seems hardly anyone would vote for them, except for a significant portion of '80s and '90s alternative/new wave inductees. But beyond this group, they virtually have no voter base in America. I'm even pessimistically thinking they might have ended up dead last in last year's final vote. Bands like Maiden and Soundgarden are likely to have a broader voting base. As a fan, I'm concerned they may never be inducted.

Posted by power on Thursday, 03/28/2024 @ 13:29pm

The rise of Molchat Doma and that whole scene in Eastern Europe just goes to underscore the continued importance of Joy Division. They're the obvious main post-punk influence to my ears.

Posted by Ray on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 23:00pm

Valerie / Valerie's Family: The Hogans / The Hogan Family was to 1980s-1990s family sit-coms, what Joy Division / New Order was to 1980s-1990s popular music.

Joy Division / New Order (1979-2015)

1. Ian Curtis (Joy Division)
2. Peter Hook (Joy Division / New Order)
3. Stephen Morris (Joy Division / New Order)
4. Bernard Sumner (Joy Division / New Order)
5. Gillian Gilbert (New Order)

Valerie / Valerie's Family: The Hogans / The Hogan Family (1986-1991)

1. Valerie Harper (Valerie)
2. Josh Taylor (Valerie / Valerie's Family: The Hogans / The Hogan Family)
3. Jason Bateman (Valerie / Valerie's Family: The Hogans / The Hogan Family)
4. Danny Ponce (Valerie / Valerie's Family: The Hogans / The Hogan Family)
5. Jeremy Licht (Valerie / Valerie's Family: The Hogans / The Hogan Family)
6. Sandy Duncan (Valerie's Family: The Hogans / The Hogan Family)

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 03/23/2025 @ 16:09pm

Essential Albums:

Substance 1987 (1987)
Republic (1993)

Essential Songs:

Ceremony (1981)
Temptation (1982)
Blue Monday (1983)
Confusion (1983)
Thieves Like Us (1984)
The Perfect Kiss (1985)
Sub-Culture (1985)
She'll shock (1986)
Bizarre Love Triangle (1986)
True Faith (1987)
1963 (1987)
Regret (1993)

Even with that long list, I'm probably still forgetting some biggies. New Order had a crazy string of dance hits in the '80s. THE biggest dance group ?

Posted by GregDean on Friday, 05/23/2025 @ 13:05pm

I'm so happy that they finally got nominated correctly, even if Joe Kwaczala says that people are struggling to understand why they are listed as one thing. I figure they will be shoved in the back door, hopefully sooner than later. I think that if they are, Hooky will play with them for something this big.

Controversial opinion,but I think that Phil Cunningham should be inducted, he joined on Get Ready which was their first album back after they broke up from Republic. He was there for 2 albums with Hooky, and by all accounts he was a fine dude. Contributed to songwriting, get him in too. Just don't induct whoever that Judas playing bass for them is, Tom something or other.

Posted by eboe on Tuesday, 11/25/2025 @ 19:02pm

I don't care if rock hall decides to side categoried them. If this way can get them inducted, I am fine

Nevertheless, I am afraid that they will be two and done and totally forgotten by rock hall, and be snubbed forever..

Definitely top 10 snub in rock hall. It is ridiculous they are not in.

They influence the music of cure, u2, Depeche mode, nin, Soundgarden, pumpkins, oasis, killers, Radiohead, and so many other modern rock artists. They definitely should be in 10-20 years ago

Posted by Mark pope on Friday, 01/30/2026 @ 13:05pm

Wow, GregDean, yet another ridiculous list from you... You gave a list of like 66% of Substance and one song off Republic. They have far more essential stuff that clearly you have not heard. Power, Corruption, and Lies is where they first had the classic New Order sound start, the opening track Age of Consent is a hugely popular song and very much required listening. There are songs from every album that are worth listening to, the issue with them is that they released a lot of singles that were not on albums so you do have to look at Substance as an album of sorts. But you're certainly leaving out Technique, their excellent album from 1989 that, unlike Republic, is listenable all the way through. And is more of a full band record. Fine Time, Round and Round, Run... all great songs.

Posted by eboe on Wednesday, 02/18/2026 @ 02:25am

Also, can we get this merged somehow with the Joy Division page? Since they are being nominated with the names together now, after all.

Posted by eboe on Wednesday, 02/18/2026 @ 02:27am

For a lot of kids who graduated from the 8th grade (in my case) or from high school in 1993, "Regret" by New Order was our class song.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 03/11/2026 @ 14:25pm

For a lot of kids who graduated from the 8th grade (in my case) or from high school in 1993, "Regret" by New Order was our class song.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 03/11/2026 @ 14:26pm

xcept for some hip-hop acts such as Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Run-D.M.C., N.W.A, and Salt-N-Pepa, who signed with independent hip-hop labels, there are almost no inductees signed with small label, also hip hop was generally more respected and valued within the music industry than indie or alternative music.

IF JOY DIVISION/NEW ORDER ARE INDUCTED, THEY WILL BE THE FIRST ACT INDUCTED THAT SIGNED WITH A SMALL INDEPENDENT LABEL (FACTORY RECORDS) AND WAS LARGELY ISOLATED FROM THE MAINSTREAM MUSIC INDUSTRY.

New Order signed with Qwest Records, a label founded by Quincy Jones. It was more of a personal label than a large commercial record company, and it did not contribute much to the band's commercial promotion. In the UK, they were signed to Factory Records, a completely independent label.

Factory Records helped shape the early sound of Joy Division. However, by the time New Order became a major act in the 1980s in UK, Factory Records was already in serious financial trouble and contributed little to New Order's growing popularity. In fact, New Order had to continue releasing albums partly to help support Factory's financial situation.

Posted by james on Monday, 03/16/2026 @ 04:02am

Yes from me

Posted by Rich on Thursday, 03/19/2026 @ 19:47pm

Yes from me

Posted by Motta on Wednesday, 03/25/2026 @ 12:13pm

FINALLY HALLELUJAH HATRACK JOY DIVISION AND NEW ORDER ARE IN!!!

I'm super happy they finally made it in and simultaneously bummed because the work on the hall means they moved it to LA AGAIN this year (let's face it, they could have simply moved it to a different Cleveland venue), so I won't be able to drive there. And if they reunite like I want them to, I will be so bummed that it went down like that. But overjoyed that it happened at all. WOOT WOOT!

Posted by eboe on Tuesday, 04/21/2026 @ 14:25pm

Side note - They really should have inducted Phil Cunningham because he was there for them when Gillian left after Get Ready, and wrote songs on Waiting for the Siren's Call. That is enough for me to have him included, just keep out that pretend bassist.

Posted by eboe on Tuesday, 04/21/2026 @ 14:27pm