The 2018 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2018 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were officially announced on Thursday, October 5th (although they leaked the day before). The induction ceremony will be back in Cleveland on April 14th. Here are the 19 nominees:



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Is this accurate? I thought it wouldn't be announced until 8:00 am.

Posted by Joe on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 00:10am

I'll be making a blog in the next day or two about the nominees, but for now here's some brief thoughts about the group of nominees...

I'm stunned that Janet Jackson is not on the ballot, and disappointed that Kraftwerk and Soundgarden/Smashing Pumpkins are being passed over for this year.

I'm also disappointed at the lack of Soul/R&B artists on the ballot. Only the Meters and Rufus and Chaka Khan are the true R&B acts, with Nina Simone being more borderline as she was more of a jazz artist, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe being a gospel artist and does not belong in the Performers category at all. No Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Commodores, Kool and the Gang, Spinners, Barry White, Luther Vandross, Joe Tex, Mary Wells, Marvelettes, Patti Labelle, Lionel Richie, Anita Baker, Sade, etc. Huge missed opportunity here.

That being said. I'm ecstatic to see The Moody Blues, Eurythmics get their long overdue first nominations, and excited to see The Cars Depeche Mode and Zombies back for another round, and Dire Straits and Judas Priest get their first nominations.

Biggest surprise for me is Kate Bush and Sister Rosetta Tharpe in the Performers category. That's really odd as her prime was in the 1940's, an era that predates the general consensus for the beginning of rock and roll which makes her a prime candidate for the "Early Influences" category.

Bon Jovi or the Moody Blues will most likely win the Fan Vote, and I think those two along with Radiohead are shoe-ins to get inducted.

Very surprised to see two synth-pop acts not named Kraftwerk appear on the ballot. The Nominating Committee definitely appears to be going for electronica more heavily which bears some hope for the electronica heavyweights of the 90's down the road. They just gotta get Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode, New Order, Eurythmics, Giorgio Moroder inducted first.


I agree with everyone else that this ballot is heavily skewed towards white rock acts, mainly on the classic rock side, but also with two big 90's rock groups (though Rage isn't a completely white act), which is disappointing, but at the same time, I can't deny that they're all major snubs and definitely deserve to be in (with the exception of the J. Geils Band who is still the weakest act on the ballot for me, other than Sister Rosetta Tharpe's complete mis categorization.


Like I said, I'll have a more detailed blog in the coming days, but those are my first instant thoughts on the ballot.


And though it's probably way too early, my predicted inductees are as follows in order of likelihood of inducted....

1. Radiohead (Duh)

2. Bon Jovi (will win the Fan Ballot)

3. The Moody Blues (will be second on the fan ballot and many of the older voters will flock to them)

4. Dire Straits (Mark Knopfler is considered one of the best guitarists ever and that group is highly respected among musicians. Like Stevie Ray Vaughan, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Linda Ronstadt, and ELO, they're a prime example of a band that will go in immediately once they make it on the ballot


5. The Cars (another popular classic rock act that appeals to the more younger alternative/new wave generation of voters and will also finish highly on the Fan Ballot and with their third straight nomination they'll most likely make it in)


6. LL Cool J (the Hall will not want to have an all white, classic rock fest, so they'll look to a black or female artist to round out the group. Unfortunately the female acts they chose are not shoe-in level nominees for the voters as Kate Bush is too British and obscure for American voters probably, Nina Simone is probably too controversial and doesn't quite fit in the rock and roll idiom, Sister Rosetta Tharpe is in the completely wrong category, and Rufus and Chaka Khan will probably just not be able to compete with the star power on the ballot. The best shot for a female act IMO is Eurythmics, but with this being their first nomination and LL's fourth, the Hall may push more towards their next rap inductee rather than first synth-pop act as LL is a much bigger figure in American pop culture than Eurythmics, so he'll probably get the final spot.


Next up: Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Rufus and Chaka Khan, J. Geils Band, Rage Against the Machine.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 00:21am

Wow, if it is accurate, no Janet Jackson.

Posted by Joe on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 00:24am

Joe,

I question that too. Sister Rosetta Tharpe would be early influence not a nominee.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 00:29am

Radiohead & Bonjovi? What a joke!!!

Posted by Rousian on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 01:13am

Randoms...

Happy to see such a much needed English-centric ballot...

My favorite part of the ballot reveal every year is that one, "Wow, they really did that?" (in a good way), nominee. Bad Brains pass that baton to Kate Bush this year. She was sitting between Roxy Music and Buzzcocks on my should, but never will bench...

Rage was a popular prediction, but I skipped them because I thought they might try to backtrack in that area first. I was hoping more for Soundgarden or Smashing Pumpkins or another shot at NIN, but it's not an undeserving or terribly obnoxious nomination...

Like most people I suspect that Sister Rosetta being on the ballot is more of a showcase for when they induct her in EI this year...

With Karftwerk taking a break, if (or likely when) Depeche Mode or Eurythmics don't make it through the VoteComm this would be a good year for Brian Eno in ME. We're well into the 90s. They really need to break the ice in that area for credibility's sake...

Didn't expect them to completely clear the field for LL Cool J, but I get it. It's shameful that they have to...

Will the should be first ballot shoo-in Radiohead turn out to be too advanced for the Voting Committee?...

And we can rest easy, they managed to strike just the right balance of nominees that we won't have to miss out on the annual hyper-predictable fan ballot...

Like FRL's tweet said, good luck narrowing it down to five. This is a strong, deep ballot...

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 01:20am

How does Sister Rosetta Tharpe even remotely qualify for the ballot? She is totally pre-rock.

Plus, she's basically the top Early Influence candidate not already inducted, so we all know they'll give her backdoor entry if she doesn't make it in via the ballot.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 01:31am

Well, I'll be darn. Guess its safe to say its legit, even in a world we live in where the mainstream media is questionable. But iheartmedia just let the cat out of the bag. Way to go!

My thoughts....

I guess there's no need to say very much, since I agree with both Donnie and DarinRG on their opinions. Hell, I even second Donnie's main picks for those that very well may be inducted. But we have two months to come to our own conclusions on that one.

I think I was probably the only regular FRL poster that put Dire Straits on their predictions list, so...go me. I also believe Tom Morello had been hinting that Judas Priest may eventually get on the ballot soon enough.

The only thing different I gotta say is, the more I look at this ballot, its looking more like a dullish, weak one, IMO. It looks more like a 'Heinz 57' ballot, as more than half of the nominees are those that have been nominated before. To some, that's a good thing. You also have two that very well may get a back-door induction (Nina Simone, Sister Rosetta Thorpe) - but with the ballot being big, that may not matter since the Rock Hall will probably only induct 6 of these acts.

So anyway, cheers to the NomCom for finally putting well-deserved acts like the Moody Blues, Nina Simone, Eurythmics and Dire Straits. It can't get any more random than that. Yes, they are ALL deserving. As the old saying goes, 'you gotta start somewhere...', or in this case, rebuild.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 02:30am

Been a while since I posted here so here are my thoughts of the 2018 nominees:

RATM and Radiohead are no-brainers that it's no surprise their in the ballot. Even if they don't want to, Radiohead is getting in first ballot.

Very happy that Eurythmics, Nina Simone, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, and Kate Bush are in the ballot. It seems the NomComm heard the criticism that the Hall needs more women.

No surprise that The Cars, The Zombies,The J. Geils and Link Wray are coming back. With so many favorites on the ballots this year, I think they'll have to wait again (though Link Wray and The J. Geils Band might have more chances this year).

It'll be interesting to see who wins the fan poll this year because the Moody Blues and Bon Jovi are the biggest snubs to many people. Radiohead might even win the fan poll since Radiohead have a loyal fanbase.

As far predictions for inductee predictions, only Radiohead and the Moody Blues are a shoo-in. Bon Jovi might have a chance if they win the fan poll. As far as I like her, Kate Bush might be considered too British for American voters so she'll have to wait a little longer. If the voters want more women, they might either pick Eurythmics or Nina Simone considering they have a strong influence on culture today.

So here are my early predictions:

*Radiohead
*The Moody Blues
*(The J. Geils Band)
*(Bon Jovi)
*Eurythmics/Nina Simone
*Rage Against the Machine

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 03:30am

Scattered thoughts:

This is a strong ballot over all. I'm a bit surprised they didn't nominate Soundgarden this year considering, you know.

I'm not a fan, but if Journey is in, Bon Jovi was just as big, if not bigger, with a legitimate superstar frontman.

Rage Against the Machine isn't getting inducted this year. They're in the same vein as Nine Inch Nails and Smashing Pumpkins (both who haven't been inducted yet) and will take a couple of tries to get in. Radiohead far overshadows them.

Love the Sister Rosetta Tharpe inclusion but, she really should be an early influence inductee as her prime was in the 1940s. Pre-rock. She'll probably have the least amount of votes anyway, so they should just induct her as an early influence.

I'm still mad af at the Hall for inducting Nile Rodgers last year in the ghetto "Music Excellence" category, effectively killing Chic's chances at ever getting enshrined.

I'm even madder that they continue to push the thoroughly mediocre, journeyman act The J. Geils Band, now that is the definition of not deserving of the hall. At least Bon Jovi brings the FAME in Hall of Fame.

I'm excited for Judas Priest, Kate Bush, Moody Blues, the Eurythmics and Nina Simone all getting their first nominations. Dire Straits too I guess, but less so.

Obviously, Radiohead towers above all else here.

LL Cool J is a weird one. I get the sense he's not all that respected in the wider rock community since his superstar singles were all very romantic and capitalised on his pretty boy image. But he did get the Kennedy Centre Honour this year so who knows.

Love the synth acts but really Kraftwerk should get in above all else, and then after that Joy Division/New Order (because they'll obviously be inducted as one a la The Faces/Small Faces)

My early predictions:
1. Radiohead. DUH

2. Nina Simone. This one which doesn't make them look racist (and is a big name in wider music all her own).

3. Bon Jovi. The winner of the fan vote hasn't failed to be inducted yet. Expect Def Leppard to replace them in the ballot once inducted.

4. Judas Priest. This is the glaring snub they'll amend this year. Expect Iron Maiden to follow suit next year.

5. Eurhythmics. Toss-up between them and The Cars. But their first nomination feels fresher. Also, with Nina Simone dead, it'll be good to see an actual woman perform. Annie's star will push them over the edge.

6. Link Wray. The doco about him seems to be extremely well-regarded in music circles. The grandpas will feel obliged to vote for him.

Close:

7. Moody Blues. I honestly can't tell if they'll waltz in straight away or wait a couple of tries.

8. Kate Bush. Ditto

9. Dire Straits. Ditto

10. The Cars. See number 5.

Posted by Matt on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 03:58am

On the 2018 Nominees And Future Inductees. I really like the depth of diversity on the ballot. Wish there was Bad Company, Def Leppard, and Stevie Nicks on the ballot. Surprised no Soundgarden after Mr. Cornell's death. I really like Judas Priest's chances of induction. They should pick up plenty of votes from the hard rock and metal RRHOFers. Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, KISS, Metallica, etc. Bill G. was right about R&B and the Nom Com nominating groups and artists that have little chance at induction. Groups like The Marvelettes and The Spinners were making some traction only to be replaced by Rufus/Chaka Khan The Meters etc. The women choices are interesting. No Janet Jackson, No Pat Benatar, No Stevie Nicks. I thought at least 2 would be on there. Moody Blues appears to be one of the most certain inductees. If I were to pick 6 inductees, I'd choose the Quick 5: 1.Bon Jovi 2.Judas Priest 3.Moody Blues 4.Radiohead 5.The Eurythmics 6.LLCoolJ. It's possible The Cars will get squeezed out again. What a shame! Link Wray & The Zombies won't get enough votes but could be placed in the Musical Excellence banner. J.Geils Band has been forced fed to us again. In some regards, I hope J. Geils Band is inducted because they are holding up Bad Company and Johnny Winter's nomination I would suppose. Depeche Mode has some strong support on the Nom Com. My Big Star pick crashed and burned but so did many of those who picked Warren Zevon. Dire Straits surprised me a little since they haven't put out any new material since the mid 1990's. No Glen Campbell or Willie Nelson. Need a country artist 1 of these years. Looks like they Nom Com took Alex Voltaire's Nominees list and nodded, "This looks pretty good. We'll use this." I was right on 8 nominees but I know some have plenty more right. Interesting slate of nominees. BIG fan of these larger ballots. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 05:01am

Here are my predictions for the 2018 Hall of Fame Class

Performers

1. Radiohead
2. Rage Against The Machine
3. Depeche Mode
4. Eurythmics
5. The Cars
6. Moody Blues

Early Influence

1. Nina Simone

I can see the hall doing this to Nina Simone like they to Nile Rodgers for musical excellence last year and Freddie King in 2012 and Wanda Jackson in 2009.

They will probably do a Tribute to Tom Petty during the induction ceremony.

Radiohead would probably be presented by Chris Martin of Coldplay, Rage Against The Machine will have Bruce Springsteen as the presenter, Depeche Mode would have Beck or U2 as their presenter, Eurythmics will have Sting as the presenter, Moody Blues will have Rush present them, The Cars will probably turn to either Weezer or Gwen Stefani for presenter spot.

Posted by Kyle on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 08:00am

Lorddd stop with this Michael's sister thing, how ****ing annoying can her stans be?. This local hasbeen doesn't deserve it (a POPular artist should at least have the excuse of being really big global superstar). Get over it.

My picks,
Radiohead
Kate Bush
The Cars
Judas Priest
Depeche Mode / Dire Straits

Posted by Linn on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 08:20am

Wow. The announcement of the 2018 Rock Hall of Fame nominees has already happened. I read last nite on a post by richie that the Ballot was leaked. I thought it was a joke or a mistake. It was all over the internet this morning so I knew it was true. I need to say first that it is my proud pleasure to welcome the Moody Blues as a nominee to the Rock Hall of Fame. I have predicted them for about 10 years at this point. Finally. I too really like the depth of diversity on the ballot. I am rather shocked that Janet Jackson, Carole King and the Spinners did not make the ballot this year. I predicted 6 acts correctly. I predicted Bon Jovi, The Cars, J Geils Band, The Meters, Moody Blues and Radiohead.

A big surprise is Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Thats odd as her prime was in the 1940's. We will see what develops on this one. Another big surprise is Kate Bush. It is a pleasant surprise. Heyyy the thing I am most excited about is the Moody Blues. These are some early thoughts.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 08:46am

They nominated Sister Rosetta Tharpe to see what would happen. She is a legitimate early influence. She is definitely going to be inducted in the Early Influence category in 2018! It's a game the Rock Hall is playing.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 09:00am

Who I'd like to see get in:

Bon Jovi
Kate Bush
The Meters
Radiohead
Rufus, featuring Chaka Khan
Nina Simone

Who I think will get in:

Bon Jovi
Eurhythmics
Judas Priest
Radiohead
Rufus, featuring Chaka Khan
The Zombies

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 09:51am

THE 19 NOMINEES FOR THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
FROM SHORTEST TO LONGEST NAME

01. MC5
02. Bon Jovi
03. The Cars
04. LL Cool J
05. Kate Bush
06. Link Wray
07. Radiohead
08. Dire Straits
09. Eurythmics
10. Judas Priest
11. J. Geils Band
12. Nina Simone
13. The Zombies
14. Depeche Mode
15. The Moody Blues
16. Sister Rosetta Tharpe
17. Rage Against the Machine
18. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 10:46am

The 2018 class is so damn easy!

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. The Cars
02. Radiohead
03. Dire Straits
04. Nina Simone
05. The Moody Blues
06. Rage Against the Machine
07. Sister Rosetta Tharpe (The Early Influence Category)

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 10:58am

WHAT I GOT RIGHT HIGHLIGHTED IN RED

6 OUT OF 18

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Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 11:14am

To FRL

It's 18, not 19 nominees this year, as you posted above.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 11:29am

Been awhile since I posted here, but definitely wanted to share thoughts on this large, unwieldy, and overall excellent ballot.

I'm with everyone else on the Sister Rosetta nomination. Why bother? Just put her in where she belongs as an Early Influence. Why throw her on this ballot?

On Dire Straits. I'm conflicted here as a fan vs. objective observer. Dire Straits is one of my favorite bands. They were my first concert (1984, Brothers in Arms tour). Mark Knopfler is my favorite guitarist. All that aside, they strike me as a really great band, but induction-worthy? Not necessarily innovative. Not sure how far reaching their influence is. Musical Excellence - check. I'm rooting for them as a huge fan, and voting for them on the fan ballot as soon as they fix it...but this might be a case of "it's an honor to get nominated." That being said, Mark Knopfler has worked with a lot of people as a producer and guest guitarist, so he has huge respect in the industry. And Dire Straits is essentially Mark Knopfler. But how many of them will bother to vote? For instance, Knopfler played on some Van Morrison songs, but since Van didn't show for his own induction, I doubt he's opening up his mail and sending in a ballot. But as a fan, I'm rooting for them bigly.

Quickly on the others...

Bon Jovi - Ugh. This is the danger of the populist trend in the Hall. I loved Journey's induction because I was a fan. Not with Bon Jovi.

The Cars - I'm both a huge fan and I think they are way worthy and have a big influence. Hopefully third times a charm. My sense is that they almost got in both previous times. But this is a crowded ballot.

Depeche Mode - Love them, and they deserve it, but doubt they'll make it this time around. Also agree that Kraftwerk needs to lead the way.

Link Wray - Doubt he'll make it in this field, but way worthy. He is also more than just "Rumble" and those other guitar hits.

Eurythmics - Great choice. Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart's influence reaches way beyond their group, so nice way to honor the careers of both.

Judas Priest - Finally. One of the more embarrassing holes in the Rockhall is metal. Need to start getting these pioneers of the genre in. Next should be Iron Maiden, Motorhead, etc.

Radiohead - They are in. And should be.

Rage Against the Machine - Don't like them much, but don't have an argument against them either. Not sure they'll get in in this crowded field, though.

Moody Blues - I'm a big prog fan, but have never been a huge fan of Moody Blues. my big snub here is King Crimson. But I don't mind any prog band getting in that is a leader in the genre.

LL Cool J - Sure. As the only rapper on the ballot, that helps.

Kate Bush - The Bad Brains this year. She's a great artist. Not a chance.

Zombies, Meters, MC5 - All marginally worthy, in my view. But still worthy on a lesser ballot.

Rufus and Chaka Khan - Interesting. I think at least Chaka Khan should be in. Not a lot of direct competition here. Still don't see it, though.

J. Geils Band - Who keeps pushing this nomination? I like them. But you can like a band and also acknowledge they aren't necessarily Hallworthy. Good to great band. That's it. Not Rockhall material.

Nina Simone - Stretches the definition, clearly. Did she have some sort of influence? Yes. But she is more of a stretch than Miles Davis (because at least you could point to Davis's fusion period). Love her, but not sure the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a place for her.

Predictions and my vote to come soon.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 11:42am

Here's a hierarchial ranking from worthiest to least worthiest

1 - Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Nina Simone
2 - Radiohead and The Moody Blues
3 - Depeche Mode, Rage Against the Machine, Judas Priest and MC5
4 - Kate Bush, Link Wray, The Cars, LL Cool J and Rufus with Chaka Khan
5 - Eurythmics and Bon Jovi
6 - The Zombies and The J. Geils Band

1 - If they aren't inducted, I will laugh hysterically
2 - Definitely needs to be inducted without any questions
3 - Seriously needs to be inducted
4 - Should be inducted
5 - Neither worthy or unworthy
6 - Not worthy, I wouldn't be upset if they never got inducted

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 11:54am

It is 19, actually!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 12:02pm

THE 19 NOMINEES FOR THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
FROM SHORTEST TO LONGEST NAME

01. MC5
02. Bon Jovi
03. The Cars
04. LL Cool J
05. Kate Bush
06. Link Wray
07. The Meters
08. Radiohead
09. Dire Straits
10. Eurythmics
11. Judas Priest
12. J. Geils Band
13. Nina Simone
14. The Zombies
15. Depeche Mode
16. The Moody Blues
17. Sister Rosetta Tharpe
18. Rage Against the Machine
19. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 12:06pm

I will have to mull over this one. I can say that I will pass on Sister Rosetta Tharpe. I recall she was prominent in the 1940's when my 85 year old Dad was very young. Roy made a great point that she is a legitimate early influence. I was considering predicting Nina Simone the way Joan Baez was inducted. She fits in better in Musical excellence. There are other mellow melodic acts that could be inducted. Kate Bush comes to mind or perhaps the Zombies. The shoe ins are the Moody Blues and maybe Bon Jovi. I will think this over.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 12:42pm

DarinRG,

I like the pick of Kate Bush as a nominee. I like her but never thought of her. The Hounds of Love album as good. I also skipped Rage Against TM. I really thought Soundgarden would be nominated. Obviously Not.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 13:29pm

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/statistics.php

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
BASED ON THE FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS VOTING

01. Janet Jackson
02. Bon Jovi
03. Whitney Houston
04. The Moody Blues
05. Devo
06. Jethro Tull
07. Radiohead

FRL VOTERS GOT Bon Jovi, The Moody Blues and Radiohead right this year!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 13:39pm

If the voters don't go with the 90s acts then the 7 inductees will be…

Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
The Zombies
The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 14:02pm

Here's the nominees' rundown:
(eligibility dates back to 1985, when the Rock Hall started)

* Bon Jovi- 10th year of eligibility; Second nomination
* Kate Bush- 15th year of eligibility; First nomination
* The Cars- 15th year of eligibility; Third nomination
* Depeche Mode- 12th year of eligibility; Second nomination
* Dire Straits- 15th year of eligibility; First nomination
* Eurythmics- 12th year of eligibility; First nomination
* J. Geils Band- 23rd year of eligibility; Fifth nomination
* Judas Priest- 18th year of eligibility; First nomination
* LL Cool J- Ninth year of eligibility; Fourth nomination
* MC5- 27th year of eligibility; Third nomination
* The Meters- 24th year of eligibility; Fourth nomination
* The Moody Blues- 29th year of eligibility; First nomination
* Radiohead- First year of eligibility; First nomination
* Rage Against the Machine- First year of eligibility; First nomination
* Rufus featuring Chaka Khan- 19th year of eligibility; Second nomination (Khan had two solo nominations in recent years)
* Nina Simone- 33rd year of eligibility; First nomination
* Sister Rosetta Tharpe- 33rd year of eligibility; First nomination
* Link Wray- 33rd year of eligibility; Second nomination
* The Zombies- 29th year of eligibility; Third nomination

Posted by JBR on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 14:09pm

Another "stacked deck" - the worst EVER this year, with almost NO BLACK ACTS.
And, as last year, the ones that ARE nominated are not popular enough to be inducted.
As with last year, The Spinners and The Marvelettes were gaining in support, so they were removed from the ballot.
JANET JACKSON has been gaining so much support, she would have pretty much been a shoo-in THIS year, so SHE has been removed from the ballot. (we just can't let HER get in, now CAN we ?)
Sister Rosetta Tharpe is virtually an unknown among Rock fans, and has NO CHANCE for induction.
She should have gone in as an Early Influence.
Ditto with Nina Simone. NO CHANCE. movie or no movie.
Ditto with The Meters. none of the voters will put them in.They didn't BEFORE...so they're PERFECT for the ballot.
The only really popular Black Act that might have a chance is LL COOL J (Oh GREAT !! another RAPPER !!)
Chaka Khan couldn't get in with Rufus, and couldn't get in alone, so now they're TRYING HER AGAIN with Rufus.
The results will be the same as in past years: NO INDUCTION .
In past years, at least the Hall put on the FACADE of wanting Black acts to get in .
Now, they're not even doing THAT.
The MESSAGE IS CLEAR. "We don't WANT BLACK ARTISTS IN "OUR" HALL OF FAME...AT ALL !!!"
"And we're gonna keep "stacking the deck" with the most popular ROCK acts...
And pitting against the LEAST-POPULAR Black Acts...to keep them out !!"
(unless they are RAPPERS).
With the current administration in power, racism has now become popular...among those that practice it...and racist pride is sweeping America.
And the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is sending forth a clear message:
"This is a "White Boys Only " club .No Superstar Black Acts ALLOWED...They just might GET IN....
...and we just CAN'T have THAT....now CAN WE ???
NO COMMODORES
NO POINTER SISTERS
NO BLUE NOTES, STYLISTICS, or DELFONICS
NO WHISPERS , DRAMATICS or BARRY WHITE
...or ANY OTHER R&B ACT THAT HAS A CHANCE .

"The Donald" would be PROUD....

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 14:19pm

Because it's a bunch of old white guys sat around a table with cigars only interested in inducting old white guy artists.

I DO think Simone stands a good chance of induction because I'm sure they know they'll get ripped to shreds if they leave her out. Tharpe is most likely going to get inducted but they'll probably give her a secret door entrance by inducting her as an influence as with Wanda Jackson and Freddie King.

I was shocked when Janet Jackson wasn't nominated, I really don't see why they could've swapped her with The J. Geils Band plus The Spinners would've been a great substitute over The Zombies and then throw John Coltrane in to the mix.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 14:47pm

Think it is a travesty that Marvalettes or Spinners not even nominated.

Bill, I do think LL Cool J is a worthy nominee and/or Hall member.

Don't hate the player, hate the game ;-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 14:57pm

Bill G, you are being a bit ridiculous. Bringing in Trump because, yeah, Trump's real popular in entertainment circles and on the pages of Rolling Stone. Come on. Overall, I think the Hall has done well with black artists that had a clear connection with rock and roll. Most of the uninducted artists you listed are definitely worthy. But you could say there is a great prejudice against metal music as well (the first ever nomination of Judas Priest? No nominations for Motorhead or Iron Maiden?) So there are, as always, holes. Some egregious.

The Hall has more of a gender issue than race, honestly.

Worst ballot ever? Not by a long shot. Is that your sole criteria? Number of black artists?

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 15:04pm

Actually I think Bill G has a very good point. Is it really that much effort to these people to give a shoutout to someone like The Spinners, Janet Jackson, John Coltrane, Whitney Houston and The Marvelettes especially over unworthy nominees like The Zombies and The J. Geils Band? I don't think so and neither does he!

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 15:23pm

****NOMINATED BUT NOT INDUCTED****
The last R&B- Identified group that was actually inducted by the voting body was Little Anthony & The Imperials...and that was EIGHT YEARS AGO.

The ones inducted since have either been inducted in the "Early Influence" Category (The "5" Royales, of in the "Special Induction" Category to fix the Hall's own screw-up. (The Miracles, The Famous Flames , and The Midnighters) and THAT was FIVE YEARS AGO.
And what about solo artists ?
IMO, Bill Withers is not R&B...more like Black Pop. His songs (with the exception of "Ain't No Sunshine") could have just as well , and as easily could have been done by Dylan.
Bobby Womack got in, but that was the same year as The Imperials were inducted (2009).
Jimmy Cliff is Reggae...not R&B.

No, not just Black Artists, Dez...R&B artists
specifically, have been targeted and ignored...including some very big names.

IMO,The only Black Artists that are getting in are RAPPERS. And in their wake, some big and hugely deserving R&B acts have been completely shut out.
This is leaving a huge R&B backlog that the HoF apparently has no intention of cutting down.
...And that's sad.
But they don't care.



Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 15:38pm

Bill, The Dramatics or The Whispers wouldn’t stand a chance on a ballot like this either, considering that it already has been proven difficult to get Janet Jackson inducted. Let’s be honest, of all the artists you mentioned, I’d say only The Commodores would be popular enough to reach the top 6 on the current ballot.

May I make a prediction? Nina Simone will be inducted. She’s this year’s Joan Baez, and might even be more revered in music circles. Furthermore, Sister Rosetta Tharpe will be inducted as an Early Influence.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 15:38pm

One thing I'd like to add is, this is not really a competitive ballot. I see some of the same ol' names like MC5, The Meters, the Zombies and the J. Geils Band. What will it exactly take to get them in? These are groups that have been nominated at least three times. Will they join the (what I call) 'Forgotten Field', which is the company of Mary Wells, Chuck Willis and Ben E. King?

I'm gonna take The Cars and L.L. Cool J out of the equation, because I (along with many others) feel they have a shot at getting inducted in 2018.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 15:51pm

Why? Baez didn’t have a clear rock connection either (the early 1960s folk movement presented itself even as an alternative to rock n roll, most even looked down on it). And Simone has loads of respect in the music world, probably even the most of anyone on this ballot. IMO, she is very close to a safe bet for induction.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 16:01pm

As, I have said before , R&B artists with the greatest possible chance for induction have been either removed from the ballot, or not inducted at all, while 2nd and 3rd tier R&B acts that the HoF knows that the voters defintely WON'T induct keep showing up on the ballot year after year.
(CHIC, Joe Tex, The Meters, and newly-nominated artists like Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
No way are the voters gonna put these people in .

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Instead of Sister Rosetta Tharpe, why not DIONNE WARWICK ?
Instead of The Meters, why not THE SPINNERS,whom support has been steadily growing for
Instead of two-time loser LL COOL J , why not BARRY WHITE ?
Instead of Chaka and Rufus, why not THE COMMODORES ?
Why no POINTER SISTERS or MARVELETTES (whom support has also been growing for ) or MARY WELLS ?
These acts have all had huge crossover success and have the best possible chance to be inducted , so they are purposely LEFT OFF THE BALLOT. If They aren't nominated, they can't be voted on, thus they can't be inducted .
Since when has R&B become so irrelevant ?
And that doesn't even count the numerous deserving R&B acts that have never even been nominated: The Chi-Lites, The Manhattans, The Dramatics, Rick James & The Stone City Band, The Intruders,(the beginning of the Gamble-Huff-Bell Philly Soul Empire) Jr Walker & The All-Stars, Betty Everett, (you'd be suprised just how many artists have covered HER tunes...from Cher to Dusty Springfield) ,Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes, The Dominoes (two of their members have been inducted, one TWICE , Jackie Wilson and Clyde Mc Phatter, but what about the GROUP ?) Ben E. King, Jerry Butler, Gene Chandler ( The "Duke of Earl"- some 40 Pop & R&B Chart hits, Songwriter, Producer, Music Publisher, and Record Executive)...ignored year after year, not to mention Ashford & Simpson, Thom Bell, Whitfield & Strong, David Porter...
WHY are these people IGNORED YEAR after YEAR, in favor of RAPPERS ?

Black Artists ? yes. But R&B Artists SPECIFICALLY , even MORE SO.

********* WHY ?*********

Ridiculous ? Then prove me wrong. Tell me these artists are not induction-worthy...with a straight face .Do you believe it ?



Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 16:15pm

As far as the R&B question goes, I think most of it has something to do with this new, blooming institution called the Rhythm and Blues Music Hall of Fame. Its history, as well as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's, is parallel. According to its wiki page, the R&B HOF was founded in 2010. So far, they have inducted a wide range of artists, even those that didn't perform (like Al Sharpton). They don't even have a permanent museum as of yet.

This may seem like a lame argument, but I'm like Bill C. and the others. The RR HOF should finish what they started when they induct acts from the R&B/soul/Motown/blues genre. If they are going to put Earth, Wind and Fire in, then put Kool and the Gang in. Induct Percy Sledge? Okay, then how about Brook Benton. I could go on. Hope you all see my point

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 16:31pm

Now wait a minute. Last year Joan Baez was nominated along with Classic Rock like the Cars,ELO, Journey,Steppenwolf and Yes and also there was Jane's Addiction and Pearl Jam that were considered among many others. Joan Baez was inducted nonetheless. I have not decided on my inductee list yet. I read up on Nina Simone. Those like Elton John, Madonna, Aretha Franklin, David Bowie, Sade and Van Morrison have cited Simone as important for their upbringing along with many many others. I am not saying I am predicting Nina Simone as one of the inductees but if Joan Baez can be inducted so can Nina Simone. Case in point in the same year that Guns n Roses, Beastie Boys and the RH Chili Peppers were inducted so was Laura Nyro. She is not too connected to Rock either except as a songwriter somewhat. The Hall does that. Someone opposite in style to the Rock and Rap. I agree with the Claw.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 16:36pm

Here's some predictions.

I believe that Sister Rosetta Tharpe will be given a back door entrance like most people so that brings the ballot down to 18 people and here's my prediction based off of scenarios.

The 2017 Style
1 - Nina Simone
2 - Radiohead
3 - Rage Against the Machine
4 - The Moody Blues
5 - Bon Jovi
6 - The Cars

Focus on 80s & 90s Artists
1 - Radiohead
2 - Rage Against the Machine
3 - Bon Jovi
4 - Depeche Mode
5 - LL Cool J
6 - Kate Bush

Focus on British Artists
1 - Radiohead
2 - The Moody Blues
3 - Depeche Mode
4 - Judas Priest
5 - Kate Bush
6 - Nina Simone

Focus on American Artists
1 - Rage Against the Machine
2 - Nina Simone
3 - Bon Jovi
4 - The Cars
5 - LL Cool J
6 - Radiohead

Focus on Older Artists in General
1 - Nina Simone
2 - The Moody Blues
3 - Judas Priest
4 - The Cars
5 - Bon Jovi
6 - Radiohead

Less Emphasis on Classic Rock
1 - Radiohead
2 - Nina Simone
3 - Rage Against the Machine
4 - Depeche Mode
5 - Bon Jovi
6 - Kate Bush

Focused on Classic Rock Catchup
1 - The Moody Blues
2 - The Cars
3 - Bon Jovi
4 - Judas Priest
5 - Radiohead
6 - Nina Simone

Focus on Women
1 - Nina Simone
2 - Kate Bush
3 - Rufus with Chaka Khan
4 - Radiohead
5 - The Moody Blues
6 - Bon Jovi

Focus on Black People
1 - Nina Simone
2 - LL Cool J
3 - Rufus with Chaka Khan
4 - Radiohead
5 - The Moody Blues
6 - Bon Jovi

Focus on Women and Black People
1 - Nina Simone
2 - Kate Bush
3 - LL Cool J
4 - Rufus with Chaka Khan
5 - Radiohead
6 - Kate Bush

Focus on Overlooked Genres
1 - Nina Simone
2 - Judas Priest
3 - Depeche Mode
4 - The Moody Blues
5 - Radiohead
6 - Kate Bush

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 16:37pm

I made my predictions earlier this AM but it seems that some logjams could be broken especially in hard rock and metal. Bon Jovi & Judas Priest induction opens it up for Def Leppard and Iron Maiden. The Eurythmics are probably the Wild Card. Annie & Dave are well-respected artists and cross-pollinated musically with some real legends. I was hoping Depeche Mode would help break the 80's alternative log jam as The Cure & The Smiths still waiting. This is a strong ballot though. Moody Blues should be inducted. Some members have downplayed induction but when they receive the call...There will probably be some tears and some good memories shared. What an important year for The Cars! There are some big groups next 5 years ready for induction. Alice In Chains, Black Crowes, Counting Crows, DMB, Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots etc. Hopefully, The Cars receive induction this cycle. Bon Jovi was a surprise especially after JBJ mouthed off last year about the RRHOF. Bon Jovi has a large fanbase and should get enough votes. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 16:54pm

I don't trust the Hall to induct Tharpe as an EI if she's not inducted through the ballot.

Posted by dmg on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 17:06pm

Preach on Bill G!!!!! #thisyearsballotstinkslikebonjiveymusic

Posted by KXB on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 17:06pm

They're NOT inducting 8 acts this year!

Posted by just stop it on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 18:03pm

I guess my pick of Captain Beefheart was a crash and burn case like King talked about and the same with The Jam. I am disappointed that the Spinners were not nomimated this year. I dont know R&b like Bill G but I do own a decent amount of Old R&b. Janet Jackson and Tina Turner were passed over also. I am not a big Janet J fan but she is key in music history. I own Nothing by Janet J but I do own some Tina Turner.

Me and King had the Cure in mind for 80s alt but the Hall went with Depeche Mode. Some other picks of mine that failed Carole King, Kraftwerk and in fact Soundgarden. You would have thought With the Chris Cornell death they would be on ballot. There must have been some negotiating to get Judas Priest on ballot so Tom Morello lost Soundgarden. How about that theory?

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 19:20pm

My choices for this year's induction.

The Cars

Dire Straits

J. Geils Band

The Moody Blues

Nina Simone

Link Wray

The Zombies

Early Influence: Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Musical Excellence: The Silver Bullet Band

Non Performer: David Foster

Posted by danny on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 19:49pm

I really don't think Bill G. is too far off the mark. But, as I've said before, I don't think it's blatant racism so much as it is latent racism. The Foundation is simply chasing the dollar. They're nominating acts that will make draw the biggest audiences for HBO and bring visitors to the museum. That money is still largely in the hands of the White people who want to see their classic rock bands get in. It's so subtle that most don't see how industry-wide and social racism nuance it.

I don't think the R&B Hall has much to do with it, but every little bit can contribute, I suppose.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 21:29pm

I got 9 right this year: Kate Bush, The Cars, Depeche Mode, Dire Straits, J. Geils Band, LL Cool J, Radiohead, Rage Against the Machine, and Link Wray. I was one of the very few to predict Kate Bush so I am so pleased she finally appears on a HOF ballot. I doubt she'll get in this year (or maybe ever), but love her work nevertheless. I am also glad Dire Straits got nominated too, I thought they would be nominated for some reason and they did.

Did anyone post who got the most predictions right on FRL yet?

My personal top five for the fan ballot - Depeche Mode, Eurythmics, Kate Bush, The Cars, and The J. Geils Band.

Who will probably get inducted in 2018? Probably The Moody Blues, Radiohead, Dire Straits, Eurythmics, The Zombies, and Bon Jovi. I hope I'm wrong here (I'm pulling for Depeche Mode and The Cars hard this year), but that's where I see the results going at this moment.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 22:53pm

I am stunned.....The Moody Blues ACTUALLY got "A" nomination! It took a few seconds for the news to sink in.... Then the screams and happy dance.
Wow after all these years. The 2018 list is very interesting. I think they have a very good chance and we are a "very strong" fan base. I believe the MB place in the top three in fan votes. I have to comment to a post from a few weeks ago. The person said the Moodies will get a "Pity" vote.... well the word pity and the MB are not even in the same conversation. They deserve the nomination and the win will be on merit. A BIG thank you to Enig, Ben and others for their fan support. The Moodies win would open the door for Tull, King Crimson, ELP, Kansas and perhaps others? I will be voting every day for the Moody Blues. This band has had such a positive impact on my life for over 40 years... It is about time!

Posted by Sue on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 23:14pm

I am stunned.....The Moody Blues ACTUALLY got "A" nomination! It took a few seconds for the news to sink in.... Then the screams and happy dance.
Wow after all these years. The 2018 list is very interesting. I think they have a very good chance and we are a "very strong" fan base. I believe the MB place in the top three in fan votes. I have to comment to a post from a few weeks ago. The person said the Moodies will get a "Pity" vote.... well the word pity and the MB are not even in the same conversation. They deserve the nomination and the win will be on merit. A BIG thank you to Enig, Ben and others for their fan support. The Moodies win would open the door for Tull, King Crimson, ELP, Kansas and perhaps others? I will be voting every day for the Moody Blues. This band has had such a positive impact on my life for over 40 years... It is about time!

Posted by Sue on Thursday, 10/5/2017 @ 23:14pm

Kansas ain't getting in- EVER!!!

Posted by Stop the Insanity on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 00:37am

****FROM LAST YEAR...****

Some of you may recall when I posted this last year, in the wake of the 2017 Nominations...

"This years winner's list was so predictible...
and the umpteenth ignoring of R&B acts has become standard procedure.
I predicted this years ago when I stated that, the advent of The R&B Music Hall of Fame would henceforth be used as an EXCUSE by The R&R HoF not to induct R&B acts going forward...and it's b turned out EXACTLY as I said:
I also said THIS when the 2017 Nominees were announced:
******************
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame deliberately picks R&B acts that they KNOW will have NO chance at all to get inducted...while flooding the ballot with superstar White Rock acts that they KNOW that the voters will put in.

Case in point : Joe Tex and CHIC . How many times have they been nominated in the past ? They didn't get in back then, so there's no reason to believe that that will change in 2017.
Chaka Khan: Supporters of RUFUS as a GROUP disapprove of her going in alone. She didn't get in either way, but her best recordings were with Rufus. Her solo songs, like "I'm Every Woman" and "Through The Fire" were hits, but they pale in quality compared to her recordings with Rufus,plus they are more Black Pop than R&R and R&B. Should she go in alone ? NO.
The JB's. Should have automatically been inducted in the "musical excellence" category. And, for goodness sakes, we can't have THAT.
So, the Non Com puts them on the Performers' ballot, where they'll almost certainly get shot down.
....and they WERE . (no duh!!)

****ON THE OTHER HAND****....
Support has been steadilly GROWING for THE SPINNERS and THE MARVELETTES to be inducted. Supporters of both groups now actually have their own Facebook Pages to gather support, both of which have been doing quite well...so the "Hallowed Hall" has taken them off the ballot.
Over the last few years, if Black act DOES actually get inducted...it will probably be a Rapper. This year's Token Rapper: 2Pac.He'll almost CERTAINLY get in,if ANY Black act does. Janet Jackson's accomplishments over the years, and her international success have outstripped and outdone that of ANY Rapper...yet a Rap group beats her into the Hall last year....just because they had a successful MOVIE ?? How trivial !!!
R&B artists that have tremendous crossover success, such as THE COMMODORES, BARRY WHITE,DIONNE WARWICK, and THE POINTER SISTERS, artists that actually have a CHANCE with the voters, are purposely LEFT OFF the ballot. Why? Because if they made it onto the ballot, those voters might just actually PUT THEM IN!!!
This is the reason why you never have, and never will , see me make predictions on this site....because I know how the results will eventually play out. The winners ? Rock acts. (Not Rock and Roll, which is all-inclusive) but RAWK ,which , by it's very nature, is EXCLUSIVE, and favors only one group over all others.
The winners ? White Rock acts and Black Rap acts. The losers ? Classic R&B Acts and Women.
You may say I'm wrong.
But look at the Inductees' lists ."

****DO YOU BELIEVE ME NOW ?****

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 01:40am

You’re not mentioning that they inducted Nile Rodgers last year. I do see that the number of inducted R&B acts is dropping, but I think that the truth is closer to Philip’s explanation than to some conspiracy against classic R&B. Furthermore, I don’t think that The Pointer Sisters, Barry White or Dionne Warwick would have stand a better chance than Janet Jackson or Chaka Khan on last year’s ballot. It is possible that they nominate less R&B acts for the same reason as why many people think that only one Hiphop act was nominated: maybe they want to clear the field for Chaka Khan. Let’s hope it will work.

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 02:34am

Sue,

I will post my predictions list for this year's Inductees later today but right now I want to say that it finally happened. The Moody Blues have been nominated. Ohh they have a very good chance. There is a lot of voters in the Voting body that will vote for them. Those who are inducted are voters. Pete Townsend, Grateful Dead members, Elton John, Grace Slick, Steve Winwood, Jeff Beck, Genesis members, Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush. Those are a few of the many that would vote for the Moodys.

It will be the 50th Ann of The release of Days of Future Passed. They have a whole bunch of great albums.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 07:16am

Bill G, do the "superstar white rock acts", as you call them, not deserve induction?

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 09:47am

10 members of Rufus are nominated. This is a good sign for Blood, Sweat & Tears and Kool & The Gang.

Bon Jovi could become the first act to win the Rock Hall fan poll and not be inducted.

I know it's early, but I'm calling Bon Jovi the winner of the fan poll. I don't think The Moody Blues fans are going to crash the web.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 10:18am

The Moody Blues are listed as Moody Blues in the poll. The only error. Idiots!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 10:27am

My predictions!

1. Radiohead. If this one puzzles you, you haven’t been paying attention what happened in music in the past 20 years. By far the most important rock act post-Nevermind.

2. Nina Simone. Yes, I’m that certain. When voters will see the ballot, they’ll be looking for who they love. Many of those voters revere Miss Simone. But she’s jazz, you say? Didn’t stop people from voting for Miles Davis.

3. The Moody Blues. According to many, the greatest omission. Those people are incorrect, because that is Kraftwerk, but I can see their point. And I wouldn’t be surprised if many voters would also consider them among the major snubs.

4. Dire Straits. Three words: Brothers In Arms. Mark Knopfler and co were not exactly groundbreakers, but they have one of the most successful albums of all time on their discography. Don’t besurprised if many voters own a copy too.

5. Kate Bush. This is my biggest gamble, and I’m not entirely objective here, as she is probably my favourite artist of all time. But you might say, “Claw, be honest. An excentric singer-songwriter with limited hit potential that is mostly a critical darling, how would she ever get inducted?” And I’ll point to Tom Waits. Leonard Cohen. Randy Newman. They all got inducted the first time they made the ballot. Why not Kate?

Early Influence: Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Because she needs to be in there, if the Hall of Fame wants to be taken seriously. And they know it.

I haven’t decided yet on the 6th inductee. I hope it will be LL Cool J (because when else?) Rufus & Chaka Khan, to break the dryspell of R&B acts, or either Depeche Mode or the Eurythmics, because this place seriously need to acknowledge 80s electronic music by now. But it probably will be Bon Jovi because Popular Vote etc

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 10:46am

Ranking the nominees in the order of my favorites...


19. Nina Simone
18. Sister Rosetta Tharpe
17. Link Wray
16. The MC5
15. The Meters
14. The J. Geils Band
13. Kate Bush
12. Judas Priest
11. Rufus feat. Chaka Khan
10. Dire Straits

Artists on my 200 Favorite Artists of All-Time list

9. LL Cool J (#170)
8. The Zombies (#154)
7. Bon Jovi (#144)
6. Rage Against the Machine (#112)
5. Depeche Mode (#111)
4. Eurythmics (#101)
3. The Cars (#91)
2. The Moody Blues (#64)
1. Radiohead (#43)

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 11:19am

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

01. Sister Rosetta Tharpe
02. Nina Simone
03. Link Wray
04. The Zombies
05. The Moody Blues
06. MC5
07. The Meters

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING ONLY FOR THE MOST RECENT ACTS

01. Radiohead
02. Rage Against The Machine
03. LL Cool J
04. Bon Jovi
05. Depeche Mode
06. Eurythmics

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR THE REST

01. The Cars
02. Dire Straits
03. Kate Bush
04. Judas Priest
05. The J. Geils Band
06. Rufus Featuring Chaka Khan

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 11:29am

Ok. I am ready. I needed a day to Mull this over.
Here are my predictions for the 2018 Rock Hall of Fame nominees. A lot of use have a prize with the Moody Blues on the ballot. I think that's a no brainer. I don't think all of the inductees will be all time favs of mine. Here is my list of predictions.

Bon Jovi
Dire Straits
Eurythmics
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Nina Simone

Now like I said I am an all time fan of the Moody Blues. That doesn't mean I think all the inductees will be ones I like a lot. Now I am someone who also thinks they will continue the Classic Rock route like they have the past 2 years and I think they will give rap a break this year. However rather than 4 Classic rock acts I am predicting the Eurythmics. I am not a fan of Annie Lennox in the least but many voters will not agree or music fans in general. I did say the 80s gap should be filled. So I have not chosen the Cars. They are Classic Rock in the 80s which Bon Jovi and Dire Straits also are. So I think there will be 3 Classic Rock acts for 2018. Instead of a rap act I have replaced that with the synth act the Eurythmics. They were weird to me but a bunch of huge hits in the 80s. I will take a chance I think with the Eurythmics. LL Cool J will get another shot.

I think Radiohead is a no brainer. I know that they are notable in the last 20 years. Again I am not a fan. I am picking Nina Simone. I agree with the Claw. People say she is Jazz. When voters see the ballot many will get excited about Nina Simone. Now Rest in Peace David Bowie but he did a cover of Wild is the Wind on one of his 70s albums. People like Elton John love Nina Simone. I will have a detailed look at another time. I would love comments.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 11:53am

Ranking the nominees from least urgent/deserved to most:

19. J. Geils Band
18. Bon Jovi
17. LL Cool J
16. Dire Straits
15. Rage Against the Machine
14. Kate Bush
13. Depeche Mode
12. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
11. The Cars
10. Radiohead
9. Eurythmics
8. The Zombies
7. The Moody Blues
6. The Meters
5. MC5
4. Judas Priest
3. Nina Simone
2. Link Wray
1. Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by dmg on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 12:01pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpLiSvaGMwE

Rock Hall of Fame 2018 Nominees Revealed, Predictions and Snubs

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 12:08pm

Realistically, I think the inductees will be

BonJovi the biggest attention drawing name on the ballot

Rufus

LL cool j

Zombies just because its been way too long.

Eurythmics only because of Annie Lenox and their hits ,otherwise I would say The Cars.

If I am wrong on any I'd say
Maybe Nina Simone who I think could be and should a definite, very possibly Dire Straits, j geils i wouldnt be suprised if they do make it.

Maybe moody blues or kate bush, both of whom are overdue and well deserving.

As for the rest, I don't think Radiohead as much as I do like them and as great as they were, I don't think they'll ever be inducted or at least anytime soon.I just think the committee will get them unless Tom Morello makes the push.

I think it's too early for a Rage,Priest is possible since Morello is there but I am just not sure they will get the nod this year.

All the other nominees it's too early for I think. I guess we shall see in Dec.

Posted by Vito on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 14:35pm

I'm curious where Radiohead would be placed on the pyramid when inducted. Would they be a 3? I'm very happy to see Judas Priest & Moody Blues nominated. Both should be inducted. Judas Priest probably has toured or been in 1 of those festival bills with every important hard rock and metal band in the last 30+ years. They will pile up the votes especially since the hard rock/metal bands have 4 or 5 members. Moody Blues will receive votes from a large swath of voters. 60's and 70's legendary bands. Like Judas Priest, Moody Blues toured with several great bands and those already inducted. Maybe, Roy can write 1 of his lists on who would vote for Judas Priest and Moody Blues. Love those lists. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 15:00pm

Looking at those fan ballots, I don't see how anyone can think they're even somewhat credible when it's mostly white cis males of all ages whining about how they're inducting non-rock artists and want to put all of their effort in to keeping them out by mindlessly voting for rock acts, EVEN IF they aren't worthy.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 15:47pm

King,

Thank you so much for your support to The Moody Blues!

Ben,

Yes the answer to your question is I was 15 when "Seventh Sojourn" was released. However I discovered the band by accident at 14 when I borrowed a copy of the lp "Days"
It was several years later that I had the chance to earn the money necessary to buy some of their other records. The college FM radio stations from Atlanta were the first exposure I had to some of the deeper cuts. "Seventh Sojourn" did reach #1 in the US. I love the whole lp but especially the amazing guitar work between Justin and John on "You and Me" which is a moving song about war. As with many of the powerful lyrics of the MB the words are still relevant today. This is but one of MANY reasons they belong in the RRHOF. The MB are so underrated as musicians and vocalists. When you listen to the extensive body of their work I place them right up there with the best! Some of the music fans here should take some time and give them a try especially in order the first 8 albums with a good sound system. Remember they were one of the first to use quad stereo. The Moodies also influenced many of the groups already inducted into the RRHOF.

Posted by Sue on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 16:54pm

Sue,

I knew you would be excited about the nomination of the Moody Blues. I was pretty close about your Seventh Sojourn experience. You may have missed the tour. The FM stations in New York were also my first exposure to the deeper cuts. "You and Me" is a great tune. I place them right up there with the best like The Who,The Doors, Gr Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Pink Floyd and Steely Dan among so many others. They have been skipped over way too long. They did influence many of the groups already inducted. Lets see Pink Floyd, Traffic,Genesis, Heart, Rush, Deep Purple, Electric Light Orchestra and Yes. There is a bunch.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 18:04pm

"Bill G, do the "superstar white rock acts", as you call them, not deserve induction?"

Posted by Dezmond

Of course they do, Dez !!! EVERY deserving artist should be at least considered for induction.
But, that is NOT what is happening . And THAT is what I have an issue with.
I would have had a issue with that even if the artists are of the SAME color.
Case in point: HOW in the WORLD did Percy Sledge get inducted...over people like Barry White, Brook Benton, Gene Chandler, Ben E. King and Jerry Butler (although King and Butler are already inducted with their groups,both have BIG careers APART from them .
However, that being said, There is a very large backlog of deserving R&B acts and women that The HoF is delibrately turning a blind eye and ear to.
Can someone please tell me why DIONNE WARWICK, PATTI LaBELLE & THE BLUE BELLES/LaBELLE , THE POINTER SISTERS,THE MARVELETTES and ELLA FITZGERALD (Early Influence) not in the Hall ?
Things have changed dramatically there since Terry Stewart resigned as CEO.
...And not for the better .
And that needs to STOP.

Women and minorites , especially R&B artists, are being short shrift...and The CEO and the NON COM know it . And they're doing nothing about it.
If an organization is going to charge itself with chronicling " the evolution, development and perpetuation of Rock and Roll" , and honoring those important individuals who have reached that coveted plateau, it is important that they honor ALL of them...not just the ones who are of a certain color of gender .

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 20:00pm

Good points there, Bill G., but the vast majority of the (virtually all white) alt-rockers of the 80s/90s (Smiths, Cure, NIN, Pixies, Sonic Youth, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, Replacenments, etc.) have been getting short shrift too...

Posted by EDS on Friday, 10/6/2017 @ 21:01pm

"IMO, Bill Withers is not R&B...more like Black Pop. His songs (with the exception of "Ain't No Sunshine") could have just as well , and as easily could have been done by Dylan."--Bill G.


You know, Bill G., this is exactly what I've been trying to say about Dionne Warwick, at least her Bachrach and David stuff. Just swap Withers out for her, and Andy Williams in for Dylan.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 00:00am

I didn't even realize this was happening.

What I'd like to see:

Rage / Link Wray / The Cars / Priest / MC5

What we'll probably receive:

Radiohead / Rage / Moodies / J. Geils / Sharpe or Simone

This list shows that the Hall really doesn't know which way to go. The backlog is pathetic, and they are now producing boring voting classes. This is partially due to internal/generational politics, and their inability to reconcile themselves to what happened over time.

There were two comments made, one by Philip and on by Bill G., that I'd like to respond to. At one point, Philip noted that the Hall was trying to follow the cash trail in it's choice of nominees, one, for the television special, and secondly, for the Hall's attendance. Technically these two things are at odds, and will continue to be at odds in the coming years. The audience for HBO may lean more towards the Boomer side of things. At the same time, Boomers are moving towards retirement, which means a more fixed, Social Security bound income. This means less cash to spend on frivolous things, like a trip to the Rock Hall. Gen X, on the other hand, can afford the price of admission, which to me makes it only all the more confusing as to why the more modern (modern - ha! 80's and 90's seem a lifetime ago) acts aren't filling the bill. It isn't a hard and fast rule, but somebody within the Hall's braintrust ought to catch this.

Bill G. you made a comment saying that "Rawk" was exclusive. I would say wrong. There is no exclusionary pattern, except the one set up by African-Americans in their own minds that says they should not go there. Anyone w/a valid interest in the genre could purchase a guitar and amp. There was a time when the industry made something of an effort to segregate to a degree. This, however, was in the early 70's. It was (semi) conscious, but for those interested, punk did it's part to overturn it later in the decade. Bad Brains are a visible symbol, as is the recently revived mid-70's act Death. The Black Rock Coalition has been around for over 30 yrs. now. The options have been there.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 06:03am

Nina Simone is not an early influence. She will get enough votes. Sister Rosetta Tharpe is a legitimate early influence and that's how they will induct her, even if she gets enough votes. Simone and Tharpe in the same year: it's going to happen.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 08:54am

It's exclusionary in and of itself to insinuate that all Rock and Roll has to be guitar-based.
To imply that , in order to be considered , one HAS to "pick up a guitar and amp".
Everybody here knows that Rhythm and Blues music consists primarily of vocal groups.
To insinuate that Rhythm and Blues vocal groups that DON'T play instruments should not qualify is itself exclusionary.
Rhythm & Blues, as everyone here with even a tiny knowledge of Rock and Roll History knows, is one of the Founding Fathers of Rock and Roll, and so the artists who make it should not be excluded just because they don't play guitars.
In the early years of Rock and Roll , there were many White vocal groups too, as they followed the lead of their Black counterparts in forming vocal groups . Does the term "Doo-Wop" ring a bell ?
Are you saying that this is the reason why The Belmonts did not get inducted with Dion ? Why The Skyliners are not inducted ? Why we don't see the numerous Pre-Beatles White vocal groups aren't in ?
It wasn't until The Beatles and the numerous other British Invasion acts came to our shores that white vocal groups began to slowly disappear, as young artists began to ditch their suits, and pick up guitars to become self-contained bands. It is here that the divergence between Black and White groups began.
As I said before , the powers that be are turning The inclusionary Rock and Roll Hall of Fame into the exclusionary "Rock" Hall of Fame. The elimination of R&B groups is proof positive.
The Commodores play instruments.
So does Kool & The Gang.
Why have THEY never been nominated ?
So does CHIC . why weren't THEY inducted ?

Everybody sees just what is happening here .The comments by Philip and others prove it.
To ignore it, is just closing one's eyes to the facts.
The last R&B group actually inducted in by the Voting Body was Little Anthony & The Imperials EIGHT YEARS AGO.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 10:27am

I hope that they do a bigger induction class than 5. I understand the argument that you wouldn't want to "water down" the Hall, but since they're clearly going for trying to include a VAST amount of different genres under the same roof, having larger classes wouldn't be an issue.

I agree with Bill that there are a lot of worthy R&B acts not yet in, and I think that partially may be due to the hall distancing itself from the 50s and early 60s. It IS crazy to me, however, that the nominating committee would consistently go for acts like Joe Tex or the Meters (all talented and great artists), when they could go for bigger, more memorable R&B acts that would be BONAFIDE inductees if nominated. Kool and the Gang and the Commodores are the two biggest examples of this, in my opinion.

With a 19 artist ballot, why not induct 10 acts or so? You'll still have 9 acts looking in, and that way they'll make greater strides in helping clear the backlog.

That being said, I don't have many issues with this ballot. Tharpe should DEFINITELY be an early influence. How ridiculous would it be having Tharpe in the performers category and Wanda Jackson as an early influence? Nina Simone is debatable, but I'd probably throw her into the Influences category too.

The more I witness the RR Hall's process of inductions, the more I prefer how we do it with our Revisited/Projected projects on here, although thats not without its faults either, of course.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 10:56am

Sue,

You are very welcome. It is the least that I can do for my third favorite musical artist. I had discovered the music of The Moody Blues, somewhat accidentally over 37 years ago. My first purchase of their work was "This Is The Moody Blues." My first album purchase by The Moody Blues was "Long Distance Voyager." My first compact disc purchase of The Moody Blues was "Sur La Mer." I do agree that several more "progressive rock bands" will be inducted afterwards. Since, Rush was one of the first "prog" bands to speak up for The Moody Blues, I think that Geddy, Alex and Neil should be given the honor of inducting The Moody Blues into the Rock Hall in 2018.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 13:38pm

Sue,

You are very welcome. It is the least that I can do for my third favorite musical artist. I had discovered the music of The Moody Blues, somewhat accidentally over 37 years ago. My first purchase of their work was the compilation, "This Is The Moody Blues" on cassette. My first album purchase by The Moody Blues was "Long Distance Voyager." My first compact disc purchase of The Moody Blues was "Sur La Mer." I do agree that several more "progressive rock bands" will be inducted afterwards. Since, Rush was one of the first "prog" bands to speak up for The Moody Blues, I think that Geddy, Alex and Neil should be given the honor of inducting The Moody Blues into the Rock Hall in 2018.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 14:17pm

Enig.

There you are. I expected to see you on here immediately after the announcement. Yu may have been so overcome with happiness or you were simply working. Welll there you have it the Moody Blues. The votes are easy. By the way my first album purchase was Days of Future Passed. It was also my first Cd purchase.

Posted by Enig on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 14:18pm

One more time. My first Album purchase of the Moody Blues was Days. The same for my first Cd purchase of the Moody Blues. Not overall. That was either a Beach Boys or Beatles album. So in any case Enig its so great that the Moody Blues are finally nominated. I am very confident they will be inducted. It occurred to me they too could take 2 or 3 nominations. BUT I say No

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 15:37pm

I'm also going to pat myself on the back here over how I predicted Dire Straits could be nominated soon all the way back in February.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 16:48pm

@ Bill

British Invasion was the first major crack. I came across a RS article that stated that Music in the early 60's had gotten boring and The Brits livened things up. Note that both RS and Cream started in the late 60's and both are named after British Invasion Bands. And, no, I do not buy that RS was named after a Muddy Water Song. Notice that there were 2 major skips, early 60's and late 60's & 70's artist (they included Brits & mainly Californian artist).

Garage Bands are said to be young kids who only knew 3 chords and led to punk bands. That is not what I found in my research on Chicago artist. They were actually rejecting a lot of what the Brits did as going too far and needing to bring back some of the Blues and R & B elements.

End Boomers were not British obsessed. Too many people forget that the Bicentennial was in 1976 and I think that we looked more to American artists. Also I think American artist were covering issues that were important to us.

Classic rock is actually not boomer music and mostly not rock. It is actually gen-ex music pushed by the late 70's shock jocks. It is made up mostly of hard rock (only 10% of the rock genre) and metal (metal prog & punk were separated). The shock jocks rejected disco, r&b, country, soft rock folk and rock that had any inkling of r&b elements. Boomers actually considered rock to be more inclusive. We may not included all of the artist but we did include some.

There are some legit complaints on the rock side. Somethings I read are that there are artist who should never have even been considered that have been inducted - some is about not being rock and roll but some of it is about artist that were not up to the quality that should be expected for induction. There is anger about pushing forward while deserving artist are not even nominated.

I think the big issue is generational. Take a look at lists here and on the rest of the internet to see how many put Brits above Americans. Now how many Brits are women, r&b, country or folk. I did a quick check and there are only 5 years that did not induct a Brit since the Beatles were inducted. Several years have had multiple Brits. Brits have about 1/6 the population size of the US. I am fairly sure that they are the only demographic to have more their ratio.

This is definitely a fixed ballot. I think the nom com needs to be called on it. There also needs to be oversight of the nom com. I have recently been bringing up some of these issues.

I think you also need to consider the disco backlash as the next break.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 17:25pm

It's exclusionary in and of itself to insinuate that all Rock and Roll has to be guitar-based.

To imply that , in order to be considered , one HAS to "pick up a guitar and amp".



Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 10.7.17 @ 10:27am
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Bill:

You will have to forgive me. I misinterpreted your response. I was under the impression that you were suggesting that while many African-Americans freely chose not to follow the more instrumental based hard rock acts, that somehow the white groups from the 70's onward had deliberately excluded them from being able to even play rock music. My error.

You're absolutely right about both Kool & the Gang, and the Commodores. In addition, War has to be mentioned here as well. It would be nice to see them all inducted.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 10/7/2017 @ 20:49pm

In regards to FRL's recent blog post on snubbed members and whether they'd gotten it right this year or not, I'd say that, for the most part, they did.

Hugh McDonald from Bon Jovi is absolutely the biggest snub. He's played (or contributed Bass parts) to TWELVE of their thirteen albums, with the only exception being 7800 Fahrenheit.

Besides that though, they've just about gotten everyone else right. For Dire Straits, I had been considering Hal Lindes and Terry Williams, since they both played on multiple recordings (Love Over Gold for Lindes, Brothers in Arms for Williams, and both played on ExtendedancEPlay), but they aren't critical snubs.

Halford, Downing, Tipton, and Hill were the only necessary performers for Judas Priest, with Dave Holland having the best case as a drummer. He's an interesting case though, as he had been imprisoned for attempted rape, and while Holland has adamantly maintained his innocence, I am surprised that they went with him. I probably just would've gone with the core four and kept it as that.

Everyone else is pretty much on the money. I probably would've left off Vince Clarke from Depeche Mode too and kept them to Gahan, Gore, Fletcher, and Wilder.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 01:17am

Oh, that's OK Cheesecrop. A simple misunderstanding.

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 01:42am

"I agree with Bill that there are a lot of worthy R&B acts not yet in, and I think that partially may be due to the hall distancing itself from the 50s and early 60s. It IS crazy to me, however, that the nominating committee would consistently go for acts like Joe Tex or the Meters (all talented and great artists), when they could go for bigger, more memorable R&B acts that would be BONAFIDE inductees if nominated. Kool and the Gang and the Commodores are the two biggest examples of this, in my opinion."

Posted by Steve Z.

EXACTLY, Steve !! You're getting it !!!

WHY should The Rock Hall continue to nominate R&B acts that NO ONE WANTS TO INDUCT ?
Don't they know that they will CONTINUE NOT TO BE INDUCTED ??

********OF COURSE !!!********

That is why they CONTINUE TO DO IT !!! BECAUSE THEY don't WANT to induct R&B acts at ALL !!!
And, the BEST way to do that is to continue to nominate R&B acts that they KNOW that the voting body WILL NEVER INDUCT !!
Nobody can accuse them of NOT nominating them...and they can always say that the acts "failed to secure enough votes"...but, we NOMINATED them....is that OK ?
And therein lies the problem !!!
Ever since Terry Stewart left as CEO, and the Non Com members most likely to nominate R&B acts were let go, the deck has been stacked ever since !!
And , talk about "generational"...
That may be true to an extent...but I have two problems with that reasoning:

1) The Zombies and The Moody Blues are from the Sixties...and the HoF Non Com had no trouble nominating THEM, and ...
2) R&B music and artists didn't disappear in the 70's . What about all of the artists of the "Soul Train Era"... like The Commodores, La Belle (AKA Patti LaBelle & The Blue Belles, The Pointer Sisters, Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes, The Chi-Lites,Barry White, and others. Several of these artists' music dominated the 70's,long after the '50's and '60's were over . Why have none of these acts been nominated ? Why were Janet Jackson, The Spinners, WAR, and The Marvelettes removed from the ballot...just as they were gaining more support ??

BECAUSE THE "HALLOWED HALL" WAS AFRAID THEY'D SECURE ENOUGH VOTES TO BE INDUCTED !!
In fact, they've even ignored inducting DON CORNELIUS HIMSELF !!!

It's a Fool's Game that the R&R HoF is playing , and they KNOW it.
Only ONE problem....
They've deceived themselves into thinking that people are too dumb to have CAUGHT ON.
After EIGHT YEARS ??
Sorry Guys...The Game is OVER....
...And you've been CAUGHT !!

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 02:20am

Vito,

I read your post. A lot of us on here are soo happy about the Moody Blues nominated. I have predicted the Moodys for the last 10 years. We started discussing it at work around 7 years ago. Thats late 2010. We expected Moody Blues then. I dont remember all the nominees. But I know that acts like Darlene Love, Dr. John and Neil Diamond were inducted for 2011. NO Moody Blues, Deep Purple, Rush, Yes,Chicago or the Guess Who. We were wondering what was up with that. Similar disappointment for 2012. In 2013 Rush was inducted.So that was progress. 2014 had inductees like Kiss, Nirvana, Linda Ronstadt and Cat Stevens. But again no Moody Blues or Chicago. In 2016 Chicago and Deep Purple were inducted and last year 2017 Yes.

So the Buzz for the Moody Blues became intense. You may not know too much about them. Its the biggest Buzz since Rush. I know you said maybe for the Moody Blues. Oddly you have predicted the Zombies an even older band from the 60s. The Zombies have waited so long but The Moodys have had an extremely big buzz with a huge fan base. Me and Sue can explain more on here. Enig can give a terrific explanation. I am a huge fan. I own many albums by the Moody Blues.

Now Judas Priest also have a huge fan base. They have a decent chance as well. Not as strong as the Moodys but they do. You see the Voters are all the current inductees and Veteran music critics. This means that Pete Townsend, Pink Floyd members and the Jefferson Airplane all get ballots. They will see the Moodys on the ballot. Those are 60s rockers already inductees. I can see Donald Fagen voting for the Moodys too. Now Judas Priest will get plenty of votes from Hard rock/heavy metal inductees. Black Sabbath, Van Halen, Metallica and GnR members will easily vote for Priest. But they need votes from Older voters too. Pete Townsend, Elton John, Jefferson Airplane and Bruce Sprinsteen all get ballots. Its not as likely they vote for Priest. That makes Judas Priest a maybe. Your theory had been that an act like Bon Jovi would represent Hard rock instead. It turns out both are nominated. I think Bon Jovi is a big winner. Lots of votes from Older and younger voters. Priest will probably need a few nominations. That happened to Black Sabbath years ago.

The Eurythmics is a gamble of mine. I am predicting them instead of the Cars. Annie Lennox is very known. You picked Rufus and LL Cool J. Rufus have been nominated before and lost. LL also. I think they will skip Rap. The Hall does that. A rap act was inducted for 2016 and 2017.Thus they skip. I think it will be 6 inductees. I think you predicted 5. We could say Nina Simone is your 6th inductee. I agree that its too early for a Rage Against TM induction. Judas Priest is possible but I see you agree they may not get the Nod this year. As you say I guess we will find out in Dec.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 07:42am

Bill, on what do you base that The Spinners, The Marvelettes etc were gaining support? From social media? How many of the people in these Facebook groups are members of the Voting Committee? Do you have any evidence that the support was also growing among the people who actually get to vote?

Secondly, how would you know that there is no support for Chaka Khan? The end results are not revealed, so nobody except the Hall of Fame itself knows how many votes all the nominees actually receive, who is gaining support and who has no support at all. For all we know, she was very close to getting inducted last year.

Furthermore, they HAVE inducted The “5” Royales. They HAVE inducted Nile Rodgers. If they don’t want to induct R&B artists at all, why did they go through the effort to let them in?

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 08:43am

Ben,

Have you ever played trivial pursuit?

Bill G.,

I do agree with you about the diminished number of successful rhythm and blues artists in the past several years. I think that you know quite well that had Sade been nominated this time; she and her namesake band would have been inducted. However, since Sade is not on this ballot, I had voted for the late great Nina Simone, one of her biggest influences, and of course: Eurythmics, Kate Bush, The Zombies and The Moody Blues.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 08:50am

Enig,

I will answer that question. I assume you mean the board game and not the game show. My brother plays the board game or the Game book. He loves trivia. When I music trivia question comes up he asks me. Also I am very good at years for songs and albums. As an example I have known for over 35 years that In Search of the Lost Chord is 1968. Close to the Edg-Yes is 1972. Tell Me Something Good Rufus is 1974. Just 3 of the millions of examples.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 10:09am

Enig,

Also I do believe you just gave your predictions. Although Actually that seems to be who you voted for. They are not often the same. I have not Voted yet. I see that you voted for Nina Simone, Eurythmics, Kate Bush, The Zombies and the Moody Blues. I do predict Nina Simone, Eurythmics and of course the Moody Blues. I will NOT vote for Eurythmics but I do predict them due to Annie Lennox with all those hits and influence. I am not a fan at all. Obviously I will vote for the Moodys. Also probably the Zombies and Dire Straits. I expect to vote for Nina Simone and the Cars as well. I look forward to your list of predictions. I dont thibk Kate Bush deserves it but I really dont think she is getting inducted. So post your actual predictions.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 10:54am

Ben,

Thank you. Do you remember that individual who would join the trivial pursuit game later than everybody else, but still win the game?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 12:42pm

I'm predicting the following 6 inductees:

Bon Jovi
Dire Straits
The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Radiohead
Link Wray

I've been seeing a lot of voting artists expressing support for Wray. Bon Jovi and Moody Blues are the big populist entries this year and populism is in vogue in the Hall. Mark Knopfler is simply too respected by fellow musicians to be passed over. Nina Simone will be this year's Joan Biaz - beloved and well respected by a wide spectrum of people who don't care whether or not she fits the public definition of "Rock N Roll". Radiohead is among the last of the "no brainers" left for first year eligible induction.

Eurythmics will be very close due to the connections that Stewart and Lennox have. If they don't have a lot of committee inductions this year (Musical excellence, Early Influence, Ahmet E.) then I could actually see them doing 7 performers if the vote winds up close.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 14:52pm

I can't guess what the Hall would pick, but my choices are:

-Bon Jovi
-Radiohead
-Moody Blues
-Judas Priest
-Either The Cars or Link Wray. Can't decide between those two.

Sister Rosetta Tharpe as an Early Influence, and give Mark Knopfler the Musical Excellence Award.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 15:55pm

Enig,

I dont remember a lot about Trivial Pursuit game show. I thought yu meant the Trivia book. I look forward to your list of predictions. I DO think Kate Bush deserves an induction but I really dont think she is getting an induction. Post your predictions. I know you are predicting the Moodys. Post your list

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 18:42pm

Ben,

I was referring to the board game Trivial Pursuit. I had meant to indicate that when one wins the game, they fill in all six pieces of the pie, or so to speak. If we decide that there will be six inductees in the performer category, then these will be the possible Rock Hall inductees: The Moody Blues, Dire Straits, Eurythmics, Nina Simone, Bon Jovi and Judas Priest.

Now, I will explain the trivial pursuit analogy:


Each of us carry several pieces of the pie when we make up our lists, the only real difference is that each of those pie pieces will inevitably fit different games in different years. When I had first arrived at this website, in 2012, I had three pieces of the pie with me which would fit the 2013 puzzle (Heart, Donna Summer and Rush). Since that time, I have only had 3 pieces of the pie, at the most, and that had been during this year. (Joan Baez, Electric Light Orchestra and Yes), although 2 of those pie pieces were from earlier years. During most years, I have only had 2 pieces: Chicago and Deep
Purple in 2016, Hall & Oates and Peter Gabriel in 2014.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 19:54pm

Regarding the Rock Hall inductions;

Overall, 2015 was an unmitigated disaster, since only Stevie Ray Vaughan (from my earlier lists) had been inducted.

Otherwise,

1993 was an okay year for prog, with the inductions of proto-progressive bands, The Doora and Cream.

1995 was an okay year for prog, with the induction of the late great Frank Zappa.

1996 was a great year for prog, with the inductions of Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane and art rock artist, David Bowie.

2002 was an okay year for prog, with the induction of Talking Heads.

2004 was an okay year for prog, with the induction of Traffic.

2010 was an okay year for prog, with the induction of Genesis.

2013 was a great year for prog, with the induction of Rush and the induction of prog adjacent act, Heart.

2014 was an okay year for prog, with the induction of Peter Gabriel, as a solo artist.

2015 was a disastrous year for prog, with no prog inductees.

2016 was a better year for prog, with the inductions of: Chicago and Deep Purple.

2017 was a spectacular year for prog, with the inductions of: Yes, Electric Light Orchestra and prog adjacent act, Journey.

Will 2018 be a great year for prog with the inductions of The Moody Blues and quite possibly, The Zombies and Kate Bush?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 20:51pm

Let's try this again, shall we?

1993 was an okay year for prog, with the inductions of proto-progressive bands, The Doors and Cream.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 20:56pm

Ben,

Oops, I forgot Radiohead.

2018 Inductees (if 6):

The Moody Blues
Bon Jovi
Eurythmics
Radiohead
Judas Priest
Nina Simone

If 7: The Zombies
If 8: Kate Bush

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 21:14pm

Hi fellow posters!

It has been four days since the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee announced the 19 nominees for the RRHOF Class of 2018. I was not able to comment on this immediately because of other obligations. None the less, I do have some opinions to be made on the likely Rock Hall induction class to come and the nominees this fall.

First, it appears that once more the NomCom presented a wide variety of artists representing different sub fields of pop music. And each year, we see the influence of new Nomination Committee members with respect to first time nominees. Having mentioned that, I am of the impression that the eventual inductees will veer towards classic rock; or rather, later classic rock. By that I mean, rock and roll artists that got popular in the late 1970's-early 1990's. As well, only 9 of the 19 nominees are either female and/or minorities; I agree with the sentiment of Philip at Rock Hall Monitors in that for the time being women and minorities should be primarily if not exclusively considered for the next few years or so. Problem is, there are so many artists worthy of induction. Indeed, 17 out of 19 nominees are inductees into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. Thus, while I would like to see all 17 go in this year; it will likely be 7. Here are my thoughts on these nominees' chances for induction this year.

Radiohead: they are getting inducted first ballot. And rightly so.

Rage Against The Machine: It would be a good idea for RATM to be inducted right off the bat. Indeed, their importance and innovative writings are needed in these perilous times. I am somewhat certain Zach De La Rocha would be willing to reunite with Tom Morello one more time.

Kate Bush: If I had a ballot, she would be on it without hesitation. I can only hope those who vote on the ballot will likewise consider Kate Bush worthy of induction.

Eurythmics: finally, at last! The years of myself and others advocating for Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart to get nominated has paid off. I see them going in this year; their influence and stature as being perhaps the most innovative new wave artists of their time cannot be ignored.

The Moody Blues: Yes, they got nominated! And it only took 50 years since Days of Future Past to get this far. Now, with the deep number of innovative artists being considered this year; it is entirely possible Justin Hayward and co. might get lost in the shuffle. However, an induction should be forthcoming, as early as this year.

Nina Simone: A well deserving artist, albeit a posthumous honor due to Ms. Simone passing away in 2003. I believe Nina Simone will be inducted this year; either through the Performers ballot or as an Influence, as was done here at Future Rock Legends. I am not too sure who could perform her songs for the induction ceremony though.

Link Wray: Yet another posthumous yet well deserving honor, albeit Mr. Wray passed away in 2005. Link Wray will be inducted this year; albeit he will go in as an Influence. Still, an induction is an induction.

Sister Rosetta Tharpe: A highly influential artist in the gospel and secular worlds, having passed away in 1984. Once again, the number of artists being considered is so deep that Ms. Tharpe might not get inducted this time out. We shall see what will occur by December; though I could see a potential Influence induction.

Dire Straits: I honestly did not see this coming. Now that it has, Dire Straits seem poised to get inducted at long last. Whether Mark Knopfler manages to perform one more time with either John Ilsley or David Knopfler remains to be seen. Completely underrated as performers, musicians, writers and influential people.

The Cars: they should have gotten inducted years ago. And there is a possibility an induction will take place soon; though again 2018 might not be the year. Unless of course the RRHOF considers 2018 an amnesty year and induct more artists than usual.

Bon Jovi: It took some years for Jon Bon Jovi and co. to get nominated a second time. None that it has happened, Bon Jovi have the help of the fan ballot, which as of this moment they are leading. In their era of hair metal and pop-metal, Bon Jovi were one of the few bands that adapted and prospered in the years that followed. If they win the fan ballot, Bon Jovi will be inducted. Clear as day.

LL Cool J: I think he will be inducted. Yes, LL Cool J is receiving a Kennedy Center Honor and induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame might be considered overkill. Having said that, this is the best chance Mr. Smith has of getting inducted. Being the only hip-hop/r&b artist nominated, this will now be the time.

Depeche Mode: I am sure they will be inducted at a certain point in time one day. Although again I am not too sure if Depeche Mode are going in this year. It would be nice though for it to happen.

MC5: In any other year, past and present, MC5 would be a shoo in. None the less, Wayne Kramer may need to be patient and wait a bit more for an induction to occur. Sad though because MC5 should have gotten in years ago.

Judas Priest: An induction for these heavy metal icons might just happen this year. Were that to happen, I would be rather surprised yet rather pleased. We shall see what happens.

The Meters: I think at some point the Meters will need to get inducted. And I foresee them going in with the Musical Excellence award induction format. I do not know if this will be the year, though.

That leaves 2 artists not in the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project yet are nominated for the actual RRHOF. My thoughts on their chances for induction in short form are that they will not be going in this year. In fuller detail:

Chaka Khan: I do not think Chaka Khan, along with Rufus, are going to be inducted this time out. Ms. Khan could go in the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project by next week or later; thereby enhancing her credentials for an induction. Even so, in our website, a number of artists are being considered for induction into our own hall. Personally, I think Chaka Khan is one of the great singers and artists of her field and should probably be looked into for greater recognition.

J. Geils Band: No. Why this glorified bar band again? I know J. Geils recently passed away this year. However that is not a legitimate excuse. Seriously, when were the J. Geils Band ever a thing? Did people really like Freeze Frame, Love Stinks, etc.? Was Peter Wolf ever a good singer, let alone memorable? Does not Jann Wenner understand that no matter how many times the J Geils Band are talked about as potential inductees; an induction will never happen.

And as I mentioned earlier, yes J. Geils died this year. Well, so did Chris Cornell. So did John Wetton. So did Holger Csukay and Jaki Lieberzeit. So did Keith Emerson and Greg Lake last year. And yet, a nomination for Can, Soundgarden, Emerson Lake & Palmer, or King Crimson is not taken into consideration. No, w have to have the brown note nominee in the J. Geils Band be force fed into us.

So, who I think gets inducted by December may change during the course of the next two months. None the less, I think there will be at least 6 inductees.

Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Eurythmics
LL Cool J
Dire Straits
Bon Jovi

I think these 6 are likely to get inducted. In addition, I believe Nina Simone and Link Wray could go in as Influences, along with perhaps Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Besides those three, if it goes to 7 Performers inductees, which I suspect will happen; I believe Kate Bush will be considered. Indeed, it is possible Dire Straits could be the optional 7th inductee and Kate Bush the certain 6th inductee. So again, in short form, getting inducted may very well be:

Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Kate Bush
Eurythmics
LL Cool J
Bon Jovi
Dire Straits
Link Wray
Nina Simone
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

I do commend the NomCom for going a bit left field in their approach to potential inductees this year. None the less, the RRHOF is not entirely without fault, as a number of worthy artists and bands could have replaced the nomination of the J. Geils Band and this would have been an even better ballot.

Excitedly looking forward to the next Revisited/projected election cycle,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 21:16pm

I forgot to mention the Zombies: great artists in the British Invasion and art rock scene. I am not too sure if an induction is forthcoming though. None the less, it would be a pleasant surprise to see the Zombies go in.

Hopefully no artist has now been left out,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 21:19pm

Since it is fun to do so, let's speculate what the 2019 Rock Hall nominees list might look like:


01. King Crimson
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Sade
05. Carly Simon
06. Soundgarden
07. Doobie Brothers
08. Willie Nelson
09. Lionel Richie
10. The Spinners
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Iron Maiden
14. Motörhead
15. Twisted Sister
16. The Cure
17. Kansas
18. Foreigner
19. Tori Amos

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 21:25pm

Lax34,

Great analysis and opinions on the nominees. I agree with just about everything...except I really think the Moody Blues will definitely get in this year. Also, it seems like you're not a fan of the J. Geils Band! (laughs) They're alright, Centerfold and Give It To Me are great songs, but there are other groups in their field/genre that are more deserving. If I'm not mistaken, its not just Jann Wenner that's pushing them but I may have read that Little Stevie has a lot to do with that pick. Never have I heard that term 'bar band' in a long time. As I mentioned in one of the earlier comments, I'm still wondering what it will take for groups like The Meters and MC5 to get in. Probably not this time around, but what about the future when more modern acts clog the ballot?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 21:34pm

Lax34,

This is the 50th anniversary of prog. The Moody Blues are the co-founders of the "art rock" and "prog rock" genres, why do you think that they will not be inducted?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 21:41pm

Or will 2018, be another spectacular year for "prog" with the inductions of: The Moody Blues, The Zombies, Kate Bush and Radiohead?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/8/2017 @ 23:01pm

Enig,

I just want to correct things. I know very little about the board game of Trivia Pursuit. My brother uses a Trivia book of Trivia Pursuit. He owns the board games. I just found that out. Trivia is his hobby not mine. I just help him with music questions in the book. I know nothing about a pie. I do like your description of the pie. That means I got 5 pieces of the Pie for 2017. I only left out Tupac Shakur. I got ELO, YES, Journey, Joan Baez and Pearl Jam correct. I picked Janet Jackson which was wrong. I thought they would skip Rap. I underestimated 2Pac. This year I do again think they will skip Rap. My predictions are Moody Blues, Dire Straits, Nina Simone, Bon Jovi, Eurythmics and Radiohead. Yu predict all those but added Judas Priest. They are one of the best Heavy Metal bands of all time but may not get enough votes. Not every voter like tunes likes Hell Bent for Leather and Breaking the Law and sees their influence. AC/DC and Black Sabbath members will vote for Priest so its possible they are inducted.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/9/2017 @ 08:38am

Ben and Enig,

Deepest heartfelt thanks to both of you for continued support of the Moody Blues for induction into the class of 2018! We have pulled up into the #2 spot in the fan vote poll. Please continue to put the word out to vote every day until December 5.
I have been involved on social media along with MANY others in our very large and dedicated fan base. The Moodies deserve this for their longevity and impact on the development of progressive rock music as a genre and a long list of other major contributions.
This past weekend was the 50th anniversary of the landmark album "Day's of Future Passed". The Moody Blues toured during the summer and now will continue into 2018 for the anniversary show. That is a long time folks for a band to still be active and relevant.
I understand the passion and frustration over favorite artists and the politics of the RRHOF.
I also understand that some people do not care for the MB-that is ok. Some people like a few of the hits and have fond memories from the past perhaps "Nights" during a prom. Many of us longtime fans and those who discovered them during the MTV videos or younger fans who listened along with parents really GET the Moodies. This band are unusual that the fan base covers several generations and includes many fans who remember the positive impact the MB music had during the Viet Nam years.
Thank you everyone who will take time to vote on the RRHOF fan vote for your favorite artists and much appreciation to those who add a vote to The Moody Blues!

Posted by Sue on Monday, 10/9/2017 @ 12:51pm

My predictions for this years inductees:
1. Radiohead
2. The Moody Blues
3. Bon Jovi
4. The Cars
5. LL Cool J
6. Nina Simone
Early Influence: Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Musical Excellence Award: The Meters

My early predictions for next years nominees:
1. Rage Against The Machine
2. Dire Straits
3. Depeche Mode
4. Judas Preist
5. MC5
6. Beck
7. OutKast
8. Kraftwerk
9. Janet Jackson
10. The Spinners
11. Gram Parsons
12. War
13. The Smiths
14. Soundgarden
15. Roxy Music
16. Kate Bush
17. Emerson Lake and Palmer
18. Def Leppard
19. A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Evan on Monday, 10/9/2017 @ 18:09pm

Sue,

I just want to say that is so cool that the Moody Blues are inducted. However they band is a little unusual in that their fan base covers several generations. There are a few. The Grateful Dead also have a huge fan base that covers several generations. Their fan base also includes fans that remember the positive impact Gr Dead music had during the Vietnam years. It has been a long time since such an act has come along. Pink Floyd is such a group too. Moody Blues may be the last one like that to be inducted. There aren't a lot that can brag about 50 years of fans. Just a few.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/9/2017 @ 21:02pm

Hey everybody. Notice if you will I left out the J. Geils Band as a prediction this year. I predicted them as a nominee. It was one of the ones I got right. However,due to another stacked list I do NOT think they will be inducted. I initially felt the the passing of J. Geils would place them in the Hall. I didn't know the choices at the time. I had predicted my favs the Moody Blues. I also predict Bon Jovi and Dire Straits. Now I am taking a chance with Eurythmics. I know a bunch of their 70s stuff but how many Voters do or care. Another Boston band Aerosmith probably know them but what about others. SO I say no to the J. Geils Band this year.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/10/2017 @ 06:59am

BANDS WITH 10 OR MORE MEMBERS INDUCTED INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Parliament-Funkadelic (16 Members Inducted in 1997)
02. The Grateful Dead (12 Members Inducted in 1994)
03. Bill Haley And The Comets (11 Members Inducted in 1987/2012)
04. Bruce Springsteen And The E Street Band (11 Members Inducted in 1999/2014)

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/10/2017 @ 08:50am

richie,

I cant figure out the logic for having 8 inductees because its in Cleveland. When the ceremony was last in Cleveland there were 6 inductees. They were Paul Butterfield, Green Day, Joan Jett & the BH, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Lou Reed and Bill Withers. The 7th was Ringo Starr for music excellence. So why would it be 8 this year because its in Cleveland? Let me know Im trying to figure that out.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/10/2017 @ 18:51pm

If she gets in, I wonder who would induct Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Sure Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard are still alive (both in their early 80's) but I doubt either of them are healthy enough, and one or both of them will probably die before the ceremony.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 10/10/2017 @ 19:43pm

richie,

I see. It was 6 inductees last year in New York. In 2016 it was 5 inductees also in New York. 6 inductees with Ringo Starr for Music Excellence in Cleveland. So it would be 8 this year. Ohh maybe yu are saying there has never been 19 nominees with Ceremony set for Cleveland. Thus 8 inductees. That would be awesome. I recall the last time that happened was in the 90s sometime.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/10/2017 @ 21:56pm

Dave Stewart is the most recent in a long line of British artists to say that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is an American thing and insinuating that it is only an American institution. Deep Purple did it too. Stop it. The whole British Invasion is in, tons of other British artists are in, and just in the past few years:
ELO
Yes
Deep Purple
Ringo Starr
Cat Stevens
Peter Gabriel
Andrew Oldham
Brian Epstein

This "it's an American institution" statement is another defense mechanism used to downplay the importance of the institution...until, that is, that they get inducted.

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 10/10/2017 @ 22:32pm

Classic Rock

I did a quick check and since 1988 when the Beatles were inducted there have only been 5 years when a Brit has not been inducted. That is 29 years and remember that Britain has 1/6 The population of the US. Now compare that to Canada whose population is approximately 2% of the US. I can only think of 4 Canadians that have been inducted - Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Leonard Cohen and Rush have been inducted and I can think of 4 or 5 big Canadian artist from the 60s and 70s that have not been inducted. As a matter of fact I believe there was an uproar when Rush was inducted before The Guess Who.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/11/2017 @ 00:53am

Richie,
You are absolutely right. The last time we had 8 performer inductees was 2001. I should have remembered that. Some favs of mine were inducted that year. Aerosmith, Steely Dan and Paul Simon. All the inductees were understandable. Michael Jackson is the King of Pop and Solomon Burke so that makes sense.

Now back to the present. I think yu are thinking 8 inductees because its in Cleveland and there are 19 nominees. Now prior to that post you felt there would be 7 performer inductees. I will go with that thought. 8 may be too much. I will decide very soon on a 7th. I am torn between the Cars and Judas Priest. NOT the J. Geils Band. I like some J. Geils in the 70s but how may voters do? I will mull over a 7th anyway.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/11/2017 @ 06:47am

Zuzu,

What were those 5 years form 1988-Present where a British Act was not inducted?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 10/11/2017 @ 14:41pm

Follower,

I just did a quick check and did not keep track of which year - just that a year did not have a British artist in a running tally. If I didn't see a British artist I knew I did google the artist in that year to see if they were any Brits.

I should also note that the first year of induction was 1986 and that some years had more than one British induction.

I have a more detailed analysis that will include breakdown on country, state, # of individuals for an artist, sex and which artist are living or deceased in mind for a future project. It will probably take about 6 months to a year since I plan to verify info and how much free time I will have. It will take some work since I do want accurate with demographics that I think will result in some interesting info.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/11/2017 @ 15:24pm

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SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR AND HIS ANALYSIS OF THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10/11/2017 @ 17:20pm

I have decided to go with 7 Inductees.
Here are my predictions if they go with 7.

Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
Eurythmics
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Nina Simone

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/11/2017 @ 18:35pm

King,

If its Ok I will write a list on who would vote for the Moody Blues. Roy can make one for voters of Judas Priest. I like some Judas Priest but I am not a Judas Priest or heavy metal expert. Ok here are some probable voters of the Moody Blues. I will go through the inductees based on their induction mostly.

Paul McCartney
Mick Jagger
Pete Townsend
Roger Daltrey
The Kinks members
The Byrds
remaining Doors members
Ginger Baker
Grateful Dead members
The Animals members
Elton John
Rod Stewart
Led Zeppelin members
Pink Floyd members
Jefferson Airplane members
Rascals members
Stevie Nicks
Mick Fleetwood
Brian May of Queen
Donald Fagen
David Byrne
Traffic
REM
Jeff Beck
Genesis
The Hollies
Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart
Rush
Peter Gabriel
Cat Stevens
Chicago members
Deep Purple members
Steve Miller
ELO
Yes

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/12/2017 @ 07:24am

King,

Other possible Voters for the Moody Blues.
Noel Redding- Jimi Hendrix Experience
Mitch Mitchell- Jimi Hendrix Experience
Yardbirds members
Van Morrison
Crosby,Stills and Nash
Joni Mitchell
surviving members of the Mamas and the Papas
John Sebastian
James Taylor
Donovan
Robert Christgau
Some music critics that love Prog. You or Enig can help out here.

I don't know how many votes are needed but some acts like the Jefferson Airplane and of course have a bunch of surviving members alive. Could it be 300-400 votes to win an induction. I do need to know that.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/12/2017 @ 07:59am

Ben,

All the members of the Jimi Hendrix Experience are dead. They won't be voting for the Moody Blues.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10/12/2017 @ 13:57pm

Philip,

Oh my. Darn it. I just checked. Darn it. Mitch Mitchell died in 2008. Noel Redding died in 2003. Ok. I made a big blunder there.

Ok I will replace them and mention a few others.

Mick Fleetwood-Fleetwood Mac
John McVie-Fleetwood Mac
Christine McVie- Fleetwood mac
John Deacon-Queen
Roger Taylor- Queen


They are alive. I checked this time. That was quite a goof. We move ahead.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/12/2017 @ 14:43pm

richie,

I notice that you are going back and forth. I am going with your notion of 7 performer inductees. Again my predictions if they go with 7.

Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
Eurythmics
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Nina Simone
with Sister Rosetta Tharpe as an early influence. I think she was thrown on the ballot on purpose to then give her back door induction.

I am going with your idea that the Hall skips Rap this year. Some in the Voting body may feel Rap should be skipped this year. I am NOT a big Eurythmics fan either but they had their history with all the hits Annnie Lennox sang. So I have included then as well as Bon Jovi, The Cars and Dire Straits. This will take care of some 80s Rock buildup. Totally different from that are the Moody Blues that have been eligible since 1989. They will get a lot of votes due to the Older voters. We are in basic agreement at the moment minus LL Cool J.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/14/2017 @ 14:04pm

NO to LL this year (rap fatigue, 'but the Kennedy Center...' is a weak-ass argument at best, too many worthier non-white acts on the ballot this year, etc.), and there's no way they're honoring more than 7 acts (Early Influence/Musis Excellence included), when they haven't done that many in over a decade! #wakeupsheeple

Posted by KXB on Saturday, 10/14/2017 @ 18:40pm

Alright then that last post was a bit extreme. I will write a much more mild version of that. There has been a pattern in recent years of skipping a rap act sometimes. In 2012 Beastie Boys were inducted and then in 2013 there waa Public Enemy. Rap was skipped in 2014 and 2015. It was a way of giving Rap a break. So after NWA in 2016 and 2Pac last year many voters may be a bit tired of Rap in a class. LL would be skipped and given another chance next year perhaps.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/14/2017 @ 19:33pm

richie,

You have a good question there. Do I think Nina Simone could get the Musical Excellence Award. I say No Nina Simone will be one of the Performer Inductees. Case in point. Laura Nyro who is not widely known through the years in Rock was inducted in 2012. Thats tbe same year as Beastie Boys and GnR. Randy Newman was inducted in 2013 and Bill Withers in 2015. These are not the most key names in Rock.

I was going to post a different point. Last year I said that it would not be likely to have 60s acts inducted at the same time. I chose Joan Baez and was right. There was a coulple weaker 60s acts with MC5 and the Zombies. This year the Moody Blues are on the ballot and so is Nina Simone. I think they will both be inducted.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 07:31am

richie,

It would be cool to have 8 performer inductees and I dont want to expect that too much. I did increase to 7 inductees. We shall see what happens in Dec. We do agree on those 7. Also witb Sister Rosetta Tharpe as early influence. I am going to end this topic to take time for other chats.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 10:29am

richie,

I agree with that totally. I looked up Sister Rosetta Tharpe on Google. Her career goes back to 1941. Her career was in gospel and it seems like it died down in the late 50s. I too cant think of anyone for Music Excellence. Im not good with the extra awards.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 10:56am

As you are most probably very much aware, earlier this year, several of the past and present members of Yes had finally been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Although Yes had been previously nominated twice before, their third nomination was the charm. Accordingly and perhaps quite appropriately, Yes had been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame by previous inductees and prog icons, Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee of Rush.

In 2018, The Moody Blues, who have long deserved this acknowledgement, will most probably receive their long overdue induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.
After all, The Moody Blues are essentially the godfathers of prog rock and art rock, probably the most critically derided genres of Rock & Roll.

Ultimately, the question then becomes, who do you think is worthy of inducting The Moody Blues into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 13:21pm

Enig,

I can answer that question. Rush seem to be soo likely. Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson have did so well inducting Yes but it could also be some members of Yes. I can easily picture Jon Anderson and Steve Howe as the presenters for the Moody Blues. Jeff Lynne is also kind of worthy. How about Carl Palmer as tbeir presenter. That woulr sort of be a homage to ELP in an indirect way but its NOT as likely. For that matter somebody like Alan Parsons can also do it. Tell me what you think.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 15:42pm

Ben,

Personally, I think that all three members of Rush would be delighted with the honor of inductingThe Moody Blues into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

As I have stated previously, “I have seen no greater influence on Rush’s overall discography than that of The Moody Blues.”

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 15:49pm

Ben,

Personally, I think that all three members of Rush would be delighted with the honor of inducting The Moody Blues into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

As I have stated previously, “I have seen no greater influence on Rush’s overall discography than that of The Moody Blues.”

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 15:51pm

Enig and Ben,

I agree about the members of Rush and or Yes inducting the Moodies. I also believe Jeff Lynne and Bev Bevan of ELO would be good choices. Jeff is from Birmingham, England(Where the Moodies pretty much started from) Bev is friends with John Lodge. Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull played with Justin at a benefit several years ago and Tull also were with the Moody Blues at the Isle of Wight show in 1970.Two gentleman worthy but probably not going to come would be Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel of Genesis. One more from left field would be Howard Stern who is a big fan. Of course Ringo and Paul are a possibility.
There is no doubt a major tribute to the passing of Tom Petty will occur so several major artists will be on hand. Perhaps Dhani Harrison(George's son) who has joined in at a RRHOF jam before will play with Jeff Lynne, Bob Dylan and others for a Traveling Wilbury's song.
If Eurythmics,The Cars,Dire Straits and Bon Jovi all win along with The Moodies I think it will be one of the best jams ever especially if "Just a singer in a rock and roll band" is the song. Members of Radiohead and LL Cool J could also be in the mix so that would make things very interesting.
I would love to see The Moodies and Eurythmics do a song together. Annie Lennox has one the most amazing female vocals in rock music. Along with Justin and John something magical could happen. "Nights" would be perfect for this.

What songs and artist jams do the two of you or anyone here have for the 2018 show in April?

We must also remember the RRHOF is political and artists are inducted who have been out of the "buzz", while fan favorites are passed over sometimes for years...

Posted by Sue on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 16:39pm

It will probably be around Thanksgiving/late November when I post my real predictions for the Class of 2018. I've narrowed it down to ten acts, and it gets difficult all the time. However, I'll be glad to share who I would vote for if I were one of the "cool, selected, lucky people to be able to vote":

The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Bon Jovi
Eurythmics
The Cars

They are only allowed to pick 5, right? That would suck bigtime. My ballot is based strictly on personal taste, and I would have included Depeche Mode and Kate Bush in a heartbeat. But this is just playing favorites on my part. I'm wondering if this is how others are voting, that is with their hearts and who is the most deserving. I would also do an 'underdog' ballot, since I cheer on for those at the bottom of the barrel: The Meters, MC5 and the J. Geils Band.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 18:38pm

I'm not the first to complain but it does strike me as odd that voters can only select 5 acts regardless of how many acts will be inducted. I really hope they surprise us.

Nice predictions by the way

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 19:25pm

Sue,

That was a great post. I think perhaps the Moody Blues would be the Headline act. Unlike Enig I did NOT expect Yes to headline last year. Like so many others I figured on Pearl Jam as the headline act.

Pearl Jam are now in. I predict Radiohead to be inducted but NOT to headline. They are Not as universally popular as a 90s act as Pearl Jam. Now the reason this is relevant is it leads us to the question of which act would be the headliner that closes. That act could easily be the Moody Blues. The jams could be Nights and Singer in a Rock n Roll band.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 20:19pm

richie, how do you know that the candidates for the Musical Excellence or Non-Performer categories are not worthy? Those candidates have never been revealed.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 20:27pm

Ben, without a doubt Bon Jovi is the most popular act on the ballot and if they are selected, they'll be the headliner.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 10/15/2017 @ 20:30pm

I think Steve Winwood will induct Moody Blues. This would grease the wheels for a 2nd Steve Winwood induction. Can't envision a scenario where Moody Blues is squeezed out. They will receive votes from all over the place. 60's groups, 70's groups,the Prog contingency,rock groups. LL Cool J is very intriguing. N.W.A. Public Enemy and some rap groups have been inducted recently. Should pick up some votes. He's a big star in music and TV. Will help his cause. However, Janet Jackson with her fans and popularity couldn't get enough votes for induction. I think Moody Blues and Radiohead will make it through. Hoping Judas Priest can capture enough votes for induction. They have earned it. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 10/16/2017 @ 01:58am

The_Claw,

Yes. There is Bon Jovi. Ahhh right Bon Jovi. I changing my mind. Bon Jovi is indeed the most popular act on the ballot. I think they will be selected and that they will headline. It would NOT be the Moody Blues. I was wrong. Last year Yes was my fav. This year the Moodys are. This certainly doesnt mean that they will headline. I got carried away. I like Bon Jovi. I own his Gr. Hits and once owned Slippery When Wet. I am NOT a huge fan but I like him. I am just pointing out that I am not opposed to Bon Jovi headlining. Livin on A Prayer would also make a good jam. We will discuss this more after the inductees are announced.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/16/2017 @ 07:07am

After taking a closer look at the nominees and predicting the top picks for artist, committee, fan, and music critic votes. Here is my final prediction for 2018

1. Radiohead: they will get a lot of votes from music writers, critics, and committee members.

2. Eurythmics: will get alit if votes from females artist and other peers

3. Dire Straits: will get a lot of votes from their peers,especially artist like Eric Clapton, Phil Collins, and Tina Turner.

4. LL Cool J: he will get a lot of support from Africian American artist and Rap artist

5. Rage Against The Machine: will get support from artist like Bruce Springsteen, Eddie Vedder, The Clash, Patti Smith, U2 and others

6. Bon Jovi: they will win the fan vote and the hall of fame will want to keep fans happy.

Early Influence

Nina Simone: she was eligible since before 1986 which qualifies her in this category. She will get a lot of votes, but I can see the hall of fame placing her as a early influence in favor of the final spot to Bon Jovi. Again, hall of fame will want to keep fans happy.

2019 picks

1. Dave Matthews Band
2. Janet Jackson
3. Moody Blues
4. Nine Inch Nails
5. Soundgarden
6. The Cars

Posted by Kyle on Monday, 10/16/2017 @ 11:22am

richie,

I didn't think of that either. The Tom Petty death. Although I expected a Chuck Berry tribute at the end early this year. It was at the beginning. So who knows. It will probably be a closing jam. We are a bit ahead of ourselves. Lets find out the actual inductees in Dec. So we know who will play for sure.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/16/2017 @ 11:35am

King, you're exactly right. Steve Winwood should induct the Moodys. It would indeed get him back on the ballot, solo-wise.

I'm wondering who would induct Nina Simone. Let's face it, early influence or not, I am certain she'll finally get in this time. She's influenced so many from different genres, it would be a challenge to figure out who would induct her. A legend like Elton John (who named one of his pianos after her?)? A current artist like Lana Del Ray? Superstar R&B acts such as Alicia Keys and/or John Legend? Or an activist like Bono? Can't wait to see what it narrows down to.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 10/16/2017 @ 13:07pm

What's the connection between Steve Winwood and the Moody Blues?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10/16/2017 @ 13:20pm

Yo Richie,

Think you've made it perfectly clear your thoughts for next Spring. Its very realistic. We shall find out during the holiday season what happens. I do have to question something and that's your argument about why they will have 8 inductees.

Yes, this is the second year in a row where there are 19 nominees. Last year the Hall were able to induct 6 performers and one Musical Excellence person. They could add one more. Three of the solo artists on the ballot are deceased (Link Wray, Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Tharpe). These same three could easily get a back-door nomination, like Early Influence or something. If any or all of these three get inducted next year, that could save time in the ceremony - which would be good for whoever is broadcasting it. I don't know who would accept the award on their behalf, perhaps their descendants. The one thing I do question is I'm not sure what Cleveland has to do with having more inductees as usual. Maybe I missed something

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 10/16/2017 @ 20:57pm

Just to point out how random and arbitrary the selections for the RNRHOF are each year,this is an alternative list of artists that could have made an equally plausible list of nominees this year without using any artist that was nominated:

Nine Inch Nails
Janet Jackson
The Smiths
The Spinners
Kraftwerk
Soundgarden
The Cure
The Marvelettes
Carole King
Pat Benetar
Motorhead
Smashing Pumpkins
Bad Company
War
Harry Nillson









Posted by Classic Rock on Monday, 10/16/2017 @ 21:58pm



Margie,

Thank you so very much for your wonderful words about my favorite band the Moody Blues! You are exactly correct in every aspect. I am also a longtime fan for over 45 years. Their positive influence on so many of us has had such a massive impact on our lives. Those of who really GET the Moodies have a deeper understanding and often a higher intelligence about this complex world in which we live.
You made my day...
Moody Blues Fans now need to work together and spread the word and Vote Every Day on the RRHOF web sight(fan vote) until December 05.
I read on an internet sight that there are several mostly Female Fan Clubs in the New Jersey area that got organized on social media and are getting the word out big time for Bon Jovi. I wonder how many e-mail accounts each one has? Interesting that here on FRL where you can only vote once per computer the Moodies are winning? The fan vote is VERY important but nevertheless a small part of the overall result. The RRHOF is political so anything is possible. I have read the "CRITERIA"(found on this sight) and The Moody Blues certainly qualify for the induction and for any major "Jams" during the show. After all they helped to develop the electric drum kit, early synth sound, using classical musical instruments in rock, quad stereo and the concept album among their many contributions. This year is the 50th anniversary of the release of the landmark lp "Days of future passed". They toured this summer by performing the total lp and many of the greatest hits. They have toured nonstop for many years "in a row". The last several years Justin and John are also doing successful solo shows and have new material on lp releases as well. Also let us not forget they helped to create a whole new genre of rock with Progressive.
The list is long with many worthy artists and bands on the nominee list this year so I am sure it will be a good show. With The Moody Blues it will be a great show! Just think how wonderful it will be for HALL to have the thousands of us from so many walks of life and generations to visit The Moody Blues exhibit finally...
Thank you again to you and ALL The Moody Blues fans here. Please keep posting comments on FRL and social media to keep the motivation going..it certainly will not hurt the cause!

Posted by Sue on Monday, 10/16/2017 @ 22:07pm

King,

First I want to thank you for your positive comments on The Moody Blues.
I think there is a good possibility that Steve Winwood may do the honors for The Moody Blues.

Also after I gave it some thought, Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull may be a contender as well. Remember there has been strong pressure for the Hall to include Progressive Rock longstanding snubs. It will be a way for the acknowledgement that the Hall finally accepts the genre and it opens the door for Tull in 2018. Those of us who are long time fans of The Moody Blues are hoping on a reunion with Mike Pinder and Ray Thomas. Mike will probably be fit and ready to play. Ray has had major health problems. Hopefully he can come but may not be strong enough to take on the flute parts alone. The MB have a wonderful very talented artist in Norda Mullen who can handle the flute and other instruments just fine. However Ian is just as strong now on the flute as ever. He played with Justin several years ago and played fantastic on the flute solo in "Nights". I think he would make a great addition on stage. He will not be included on the vocals as his voice has struggled with age.

About Tom Petty,
Remember he and Stevie Nicks were very close, I am fortunate to have seen Tom P. live several times and once with Stevie. He introduced her as a honoree "Heartbreaker". I think she will be included perhaps with a duet partner doing "Stop dragging my heart around". This may set her up for a nomination soon.
A jam with major artists is likely. Tom and the HB usually finished the show with "American Girl". There are so many great songs difficult to choose what may happen. Personally I love "Running down a dream". It fits the RRHOF theme.

Posted by Sue on Monday, 10/16/2017 @ 23:26pm

Sue, Margie, Ben and KING,

Thank you for your continuing support of The Moody Blues. As I have stated previously, “I have seen no greater influence on Rush’s overall discography, than that of The Moody Blues.” They are my third favorite artist after Rush and Yes.

During Rush’s last major tour, Rush fans had been disappointed that Rush had not stopped there on their most recent tour, because of the small number of dates for that tour.

Since Rush is now on indefinite hiatus, the fan base in Cleveland, the city where Rush first broke through, would be delighted to see them once again. The members of Rush have previously mentioned that The Moody Blues were a huge influence on them. I had not realized that The Moody Blues had actually opened for Cream in their earlier days. Alex and
Geddy had been strongly influenced by Cream during their
early days. Is it possible that Geddy and Alex had attended a Cream concert with The Moody Blues opening for them?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 10/17/2017 @ 04:36am

King,

That is good thinking about Steve Winwood as presenter for the Moody Blues. Its the same era. But the Rush or Yes members are more likely. Also Ian Anderson is quite likely. Jethro Tull and Moody Blues knew eachother and I think they followed eachother on stage.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/17/2017 @ 08:40am

King,

I said earlier thats good thinking about Steve Winwood as presenter for the Moody Blues. I am pretty sure he has hung out with the Moody Blues. A lot of the big British musicians hung out together in tbe 60s. You may know that the Moody Blues hosted a bunch of parties where the big British guys

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/17/2017 @ 19:02pm

So to continue. The Moody Blues hosted a bunch of parties where the big British guys of music hung out. I would think Steve Winwood was at some of those. I believe members of the Who like Pete and Keith Moon went. Do yu know what Im talking about.

Besides the Moody Blues I think Bon Jovi has a great chance and will headline the whole 2018 ceremony

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/17/2017 @ 19:11pm

BEN and FRL Regulars.
I'm hoping Moody Blues receives induction 2018 and that means Procol Harum will be next. They should receive induction in 2019. Rush, YES, Moody Blues, Genesis, etc would all vote for Procol Harum. There are a few members on the Nom Com who are Procol Harum fans. My guess Procol Harum will be the only prog on the ballot to insure induction. What do you think? I'm a big fan of Procol Harum and from all reports are outstanding characters and probably would be honored. On Steve Winwood: I suggested Steve Winwood because it seems time for a 2nd nomination and he probably deserves a 2nd induction for his solo work.KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10/17/2017 @ 20:45pm

King,

Procol Harum seems likely to be inducted rather soon. They are known charachters as you say and probably would be honored. On Steve Winwood I see that you are aware he was nominated and inducted once before with Traffic. Did you know he was actually nominated for his solo work in 2003? I found that out recently. I thought perhaps you considering the fact that he is one of the many friends of the Moody Blues. Traffic and the Moody Blues were both key British bands in the late 60s.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/17/2017 @ 22:03pm

Now as far as my predictions. I am predicting 7 for this year. Clearly my fav is the Moody Blues. I do also dig the Cars and Dire Straits as well as Bon Jovi to some degree. Nina Simone is a great Jazz vocalist. Wild is the Wind is a great tune and I know about her career. I don't know where DarinRG is but he should be impressed I am picking Eurythmics. I am Not a fan at all really. Every year there is always some I don't like much or know. Many do groove with all the hits sung by Annie Lennox. She will bring support and Votes from Women as well as some Men.

I don't really know Radiohead even though I predict them. Heyy I predicted Tupac Shakur without really knowing a tune. Actually I predicted him somewhat by picking him as a 7th inductee. Anyway the only tune I know from Radiohead is Creep but they are a good 90s choice based on their popularity in the 90s. Those a little younger than me may know them better.

I am not predicting the J. Geils Band. I thought about it and realized after their loss last year that they lack votes. There is another stacked list this year. I suppose there is a slight possibility. Judas Priest is possible and it would be cool to have a Heavy metal band inducted but I got a feeling they will be squeezed out. I am not a huge Heavy metal fan but they are one of the bands that comes to mind when I think of Heavy metal. I like a few basic tunes of Judas Priest.

The Zombies have been nominated a few times. They were key in the British invasion. They have a small chance but again its a Stacked list.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/18/2017 @ 17:12pm

Ben,

Great post about The Moody Blues! You are exactly correct it is a long overdue nomination.

There is even more news about Justin Hayward. He is one of the most talented song writers of rock music and has won many of the major awards available to artists across Europe. It is about time his talent is recognized here in America..

I found this posted today:

It looks like this year very well could be The Year of the Moody Blues. The band has finally been nominated for The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame after being passed over for nearly three decades. And now, simultaneously, Justin’s newest single, The Wind Of Heaven has made the first round ballot of this year’s Grammys in two categories: Song of the Year and Best Music Video.
Co-written by Justin Hayward, David Minasian and Alberto Parodi,"The Wind Of Heaven" is now in front of the Grammy members, who will be voting this week to choose the finalists in each category.
It’s hard to believe that this is Justin’s first-ever Grammy consideration. For someone who has written numerous Moody Blues classics over the last five decades including Tuesday Afternoon, Question, The Story In Your Eyes, The Voice, Your Wildest Dreams, I Know You’re Out There Somewhere and of course Nights In White Satin, such recognition is long overdue.

If any fans have not listened to this beautiful song and seen the video I highly recommend it!

Posted by Sue on Friday, 10/20/2017 @ 20:23pm

Sue,

I believe you are talking about my post on the Moody Blues page or thread. It is true. They have been eligible since 1989. They could have been inducted at the 1990 ceremony. They would have been alongside Simon & Garfunkel and the Who. That's the post you mean.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/21/2017 @ 05:51am

King,

There is a lot of repetition on here rigbt now about # of inductees. I want to initiate a different chat. Steve Winwood is a slightly likely choice as presenter. But in fact Ian Anderson is likely too. This would set things up for a Jethro Tull nomination. I am a huge fan of Jethro Tull. I figured the Hall would take care of the Moody Blues first. One of the next ones for prog would be Jethro Tull. Perhaps Procol Harum first. This is a fresher chat.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/23/2017 @ 11:41am

BEN
My guess Procol Harum will be the only progressive rock band on the ballot 2018. 2 reasons for that. Procol Harum might be the greatest 60's band not inducted. Second, the prog groups Moody Blues,Rush, YES, will all be recently inducted. The rich songbook of Procol Harum deserves RRHOF. Whiter Shade Of Pale, Homburg, A Salty Dog, just Classics. It's possible Jethro Tull could grab that progressive slot. King Crimson too. There are some Committee members that love Procol Harum which gives them a slight edge. The members of Procol Harum are class acts and would be honored to be nominated and inducted. That helps too. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 10/23/2017 @ 23:00pm

My favorite song by each of the artists nominated for RNRHOF 2018:

Bon Jovi - Living With The Ghost
Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill (If "Don't Give Up" by Peter Gabriel doesn't count)
The Cars - Bye Bye Love or Touch And Go
Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence
Dire Straits - Romeo and Juliet
Eurythmics - Here Comes The Rain Again
J. Geils Band - Love Stinks
Judas Priest - Electric Eye
LL Cool J - Around The Way Girl
MC5 - Kick Out The Jams
The Meters - no idea
The Moody Blues - Go Now
Radiohead - Fake Plastic Trees
Rage Against the Machine - Bulls On Parade
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - no idea
Nina Simone - no idea, but much respect, I've watched some of her Youtube videos and she was the real deal
Sister Rosetta Tharpe no idea
Link Wray - stop it
The Zombies - what'cher name, whoose yer daddy

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 10/24/2017 @ 21:16pm

Eddie Trunk voted for:
Bon Jovi
The Cars
Judas Priest
The Moody Blues
Rage Against the Machine

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 10/24/2017 @ 22:15pm

As many of you are well aware, Chuck Berry, the father of Rock & Roll had passed away earlier this year at the age of 90. At this year’s induction ceremony, Electric Light Orchestra had paid homage to Chuck Berry with their magnificent cover of ‘Roll Over Beethoven.’

Why am I mentioning this? Because, The Moody Blues are to progressive rock, what Chuck Berry was to Rock & Roll, The founders of our favorite genre.

Please read what Sue, an ardent Moody Blues fan has written.

Attention Progressive Rock Fans:

I CALL on the FAN BASE of ALL Progressive Rock bands to back the induction of THE MOODY BLUES. Especially Rush, Yes, ELO, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Procol Harum, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Styx, Kansas, Duran Duran and others!
If the RRHOF skips over the Moodies for 2018 it will be a terrible set back for the induction of so many long snubbed bands and for Progressive music completely.
If you are a fan of any of these bands or of the VERY talented bands such as: Tool, Gentle Giant, Dream Theater, Muse, Marillion and many others what are the chances for the well deserved recognition by the Hall for the future if one of the founding bands of the genre are snubbed again after almost 30 years? Think about that for a moment....

I want all FANS OF PROGRESSIVE to vote on the fan page for The Moody Blues every day until December 05. They need to be the top winner! Please hit social media if you are on facebook, twitter, instagram etc or on your favorite Progressive Artist page or blog to spread the word. Tell everyone that this is not just for The Moody Blues, but also for the genre of Progressive Rock.

Thank you

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10/25/2017 @ 11:01am

Enig,


Ok. Which Fan page do yu speak. Fan thread on here? I would saY NOT. Thats just chats . The Moody Blues web site is more likely. And there is the Voting on the Rock Hall site. Let me know about the fan site.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/25/2017 @ 15:13pm

Enig,

Fan page on Facebook for Moody Blues? Thats makes a lot of sense. Let me know.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/25/2017 @ 15:19pm

Ben and Enig,

In my comment about Progressive fans I should have said : Vote on the RRHOF fan VOTE everyday until Dec 05. I wrote that after a several very long work days. I am so very sorry about any confusion. There are several fan groups on FACEBOOK for The Moody Blues and several for Justin and one I know of for Mike Pinder. There is also a great group called "Put the Moody Blues in the Rock and Roll hall of fame"

Everyone keep voting every day!

Heartfelt Thanks

Posted by Sue on Wednesday, 10/25/2017 @ 22:15pm

"The Zombies - what'cher name, whoose yer daddy"

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 21:16pm


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Really?


*FACEPALM*

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10/26/2017 @ 00:58am

Richie,

You've made the same post over and over again about 100 times at this point. I think we're all pretty aware that you think there's gonna be more inductees than usual this year.

No need to post the same thing 100 times a day.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10/26/2017 @ 01:01am

Richie,
Donnie's point is that you are posting the same thing over and over and over again without really explaining your reasoning. There's no substance here and it's all hearsay until the final inductees are announced. Also, I don't understand why you think there will be 8 inductees in the performers just because the ceremony will be in Cleveland. If anything, more people were inducted at past NYC ceremonies. So if we're going by your logic, wouldn't there have been 8 inductees in the performers category this past year with the same number of nominations (19 total)? There will probably be 6 inductees in the performers category with probably a single early influence/musical excellence/non-performer inductee. It will most likely be an early influence inductee because those have happened every three years since 2009 (Wanda Jackson in '09, Freddie King in '12 and The "5" Royales in '15). I am not convinced the HOF will induct more 6 inductees in 2018. Didn't Joel Peresman state that the HOF only wants to induct 5 acts in the performers category each year unless the votes are extremely close and they could make it 6. I would love to see more inductees in a given class but the likelihood is very slim.

Also, do you really think there are not any worthy candidates in the Non-Performers category? Brian Eno and Rick Rubin are huge oversights in this category. There are dozens of others that should be considered too. Check out Alex Voltaire's excellent article below on this topic -https://northumbriancountdown.wordpress.com/2017/08/02/15-non-performer-prospects-for-the-rock-hall/


Also, Classic Rock if you don't know any songs by artists (all of whom happen to be minorities, just saying) such as Rufus/Chaka Khan. Nina SImone, The Meters, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, and Link Wray, do some digging online and listen to their music. It's not like they are that obscure.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10/26/2017 @ 02:28am

Actually Nick,

I really could care less that he's not explaining his reasoning for his views. Even if he was clearly explaining, making the same freakin' post over and over again every day (almost word for word) is really annoying and basically "spammer" or "troll" like behavior.

And his response to me definitely did seem like sarcastic, troll like behavior. I kind of have to give props actually, that was well played.


Looking at it from a bigger context, there's really not much more to say on the nominees at this point unless people want to change their predictions or want to futher analyze the nominees or something. But when it comes to predictions all of us have pretty much stated our thoughts and there's really no need to keep posting it over and over again when it's the same thing.

Ben and Enig, for example, constantly make prediction style posts, but they always change their predictions, so it's not redundant or spam like behavior. This Richie guy is a troll and is annoying as heck.

There's a lot of people on this board that are annoying these days, which is one of the reasons I'm posting less and less, but to Richie, say something other than your same post you've been posting every day for the last month. Anything, doesn't have to be music related, talk about foods you like, animals you like to look at the zoo, who's your favorite sports team, anything, please, just so we know you're not a robot lol.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10/26/2017 @ 02:40am

Donnie,
I couldn't agree with you more. I used to get so excited reading and commenting on different posts in this forum and reading what others write. But now it's tiresome to the point where I stop reading after the first line on most posts in this forum (The actual HOF nominees forum on FRL). It's almost like the movie Groundhog Day - the same thing over and over again. It's just boring with the same people posting the same thing. I love when people discuss and debate the HOF on here as much as anyone else, but it's been exhausting and (even worse) predictable lately.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 10/26/2017 @ 03:10am

My favorites by the nominees:

Bon Jovi- Living on a Prayer & Wanted Dead or Alive
The Cars- Hello Again
Kate Bush- Babooshka
Dire Straits- Romeo and Juliet & Once Upon a Time in the West
Eurythmics- Love is a Stranger & Sex Crime
Nina Simone- Feelin' Good
Refus & Chaka Khan- Do You Love What You Feel
Judas Priest- Painkiller & Hell Bent for Leather
Sister Rosetta Tharpe- Rock Me
The Meters- Cissy Strut
The J. Geils Band- Must of Got Lost
LL Cool J- Goin' Back to Cali
The Moody Blues- Nights in White Satin & The Voice
The Zombies- Time of the Season
Depeche Mode- People are People
MC5- Teenage Lust
Radiohead- Karma Police
Rage Against the Machine- Guerilla Radio
Link Wray- Rumble

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 10/26/2017 @ 05:00am

Nick,

How are ya. I was trying in the last few days at variety in topics. I mentioned the Moody Blues fan page ysterday. It turned out it was the Rock Hall fan Vote. Now then are the one last year that I had a great chat about Past inductees like Lloyd Orice and Solomon Burke. We have discussed Joe Tex. He got a nomination last year. I notice your predictions lists have been up to date with the times. Joe Tex didnt have too much chance last year. Let me know if yu are the one who I discussed that with.

I believe you predicted the Moody Blues like so many of us. Soo How do you feel about the choices this year? They show variety. Do you feel the Meters or Rufus have any chance. R&B doesnt fare too well these days. Rap does well. I do think they will skip Rap this year. I do feel there will be an act like the Eurythmics. The Hall is trying to fill in the gap of 1980's. The scenario of presenters is interesting but I will discuss more after the inductees are known.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/26/2017 @ 08:07am

Ritchie, I'm curious. Who do you think will be inducted? How many inductees do you think there will be this year?

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 10/26/2017 @ 12:57pm

Oh, wow, what a fantastic insight. So if I understand you correctly, you think there will be seven inductees, including two as Musical Excellence?

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 10/26/2017 @ 15:37pm

Dezmond, Claw-- I will smack you both into next Tuesday. lol

richie, you're 11 years old, aren't you?

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10/26/2017 @ 21:47pm

Okay, that rules out the last hope that it wasn't something that would involve the ADA...

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10/27/2017 @ 01:10am

Sooo in an effort to fight the repetition on here.I want to say that Classic R&B is represented by The Meters and Rufus. There is a conspiracy theory that this was done on purpose to give more chance to Rock. I don't know about that. I think they may be pet projects of Questlove. He is hoping. It's the same way the J. Geils Band is a pet project. The Spinners and the Commodores should have been nominated. I am a fan of a substantial amount of R&B. I keep my music collection organized by genre. I have about a row in my racks of R&B. Among others I own a Best of Teddy Pendergrass. Love Songs actually and the Spinners. I love some tunes of Harold Melvyn and the Bluenoyes.I own a good amount of R&B. Some Earth, wind & Fire and a bunch of Stevie Wonder. I would have loved to see the Spinners nominated. I am a Rocker who also likes Old R&B. I don't know as much as Bill G. Maybe the Spinners will be nominated next year. I own about 25 R&B cds.

I do have to say that my fav nominee is clearly the Moody Blues but I think Bon Jovi, The Cars and Dire Straits are fine choices. They will predict those for induction also As I mentioned the Eurythmics is an interesting choice. I am not a fan but I feel they have a good chance. Annie Lennox would bring the prescence of Women in this year's class. I personally would have preferred Stevie Nicks, Pat Benatar as well as Tina Turner. There is a nice group of female acts.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/27/2017 @ 06:32am

Hey FRL regulars,

There is a solution to this kid's repetition of the # of Inductees. I refuse to discuss that. Very simple solution. The actual announcement of the Inductees. Does anyone know or predict when that will be. That would be a final end to that prediction. Me,King,Enig,Nick and many others are concerned about predictions of the inductees. My list will remain the same. I think it will have a similar variety. Probably no R&B again. The Meters and Rufus are not prime choices. The Spinners are great. Those poor Spinners. There is only one Spinner left.

If somehow Bon Jovi are NOT inducted and Moody
Blues are then the Moody would headline. However, Bon Jovi are just too popular to ignore. I am not a big fan but its true. I would say you agree King. Our predictions and tastes seem similar except for the 90s. You are a little younger. I was in High School 1980-1983. In fact some of the more modern nominees didnt exist yet.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/27/2017 @ 09:05am

richie,

Thank yu richie. Ironic yu are the kid who keeps repeating. Could I persuade you to stop repeating the same thing. It will make this site better right Now. I chatted with you on that about a month ago. The worst case scenario is you dont listen and keep repeating. We can all return in December. Lol

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/27/2017 @ 13:05pm

richie,

Thank you for taking a break. I thought if I reasoned with you would understand. A lesson learned. Its not good to repeat too much especially on a site. Variety of chats is good. My R&b post was different ysterday. See you around.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/27/2017 @ 15:06pm

Soo I am hoping others get on here 2nite. The Hall seems to be trying to get back tonbetter classes. Less misfires like Percy Sledge or Inducting Dr. John and the Faces bfore acts that could have been inducted first. I no longer say that any act should not be inducted. Its the order of things. In any case they are trying to correct things now. Very easily Abba could have waited until this year instead of the Moody Blues or Dire Straits. The classes have been better. Last year's was one of the best in years. They had Classic rock acts but also Pearl Jam and Joan Baez. And they got a rap act in also.

I figure it will be similar this year but I do think Synth music will be represented with Eurythmics. I am not a fan but sooner or later the 80s gets represented more. By the way I dont like synth music as a rule. I like the older groups and also bands like the Replacements and the Alarm. Neither of those are nominated. Ahh there are some 80s acts to be considered.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/27/2017 @ 18:41pm

I really enjoyed the post that had the favorite songs from each of the nominees. I thought I would post my choice songs from the list of the astounding core 7 albums from The Moody Blues:

Days of future passed-Tuesday Afternoon
In search of the lost chord-Legend of a mind
On a threshold of a dream- Lovely to see you
To our children's children children-(tie) Higher and higher and Gypsy
A question of balance-Dawning is the day
Every good boy deserves favor-The story in your eyes
Seventh Sojourn-You and I

I would be interested in lists of favorite songs from others here and their top nominee?

everyone enjoy your weekend....

Posted by Sue on Friday, 10/27/2017 @ 23:25pm

Sue,

How about we start with another Moody Blues fan. I will post my Favorite songs from the list of the astounding core 7 albums of the Moody Blues:

Days of Future Passed-Tuesday Afternoon
In Search of the Lost chord-Legend of a Mind
On the Threshold of a Dream-Dear Diary
To Our Children's Children's Children-Higher and Higher
Question of Balance-The Question
Every good boy deserves favour-Our guessing game
Seventh Soujourn-For my Lady

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/28/2017 @ 14:06pm

As many of you are well aware, Chuck Berry, the father of Rock & Roll had passed away earlier this year at the age of 90. At this year’s induction ceremony, Electric Light Orchestra had paid homage to Chuck Berry with their magnificent cover of ‘Roll Over Beethoven.’

Why am I mentioning this? Because, The Moody Blues are to progressive rock, what Chuck Berry was to Rock & Roll, The founders of our favorite genre. Please read what Sue, an ardent Moody Blues fan has written.

Attention Progressive Rock Fans:

I CALL on the FAN BASE of ALL Progressive Rock bands to back the induction of THE MOODY BLUES. Especially Rush, Yes, ELO, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Procol Harum, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Styx, Kansas, Supertramp, Soft Machine, Camel, Caravan, Roxy Music, Duran Duran and others!
If the RRHOF skips over the Moodies for 2018 it will be a terrible set back for the induction of so many long snubbed bands and for Progressive music completely.
If you are a fan of any of these bands or of the VERY talented bands such as: Tool, Gentle Giant, Dream Theater, Muse, Marillion and many others what are the chances for the well deserved recognition by the Hall for the future if one of the founding bands of the genre are snubbed again after almost 30 years? Think about that for a moment....

I want all FANS OF PROGRESSIVE MUSIC to vote on the 2018 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Fan Ballot page for The Moody Blues every day until December 05. They need to be the top winner! Please hit social media if you are on facebook, twitter, instagram etc or on your favorite Progressive Artist page or blog to spread the word. Tell everyone that this is not just for The Moody Blues, but also for the genre of Progressive Rock.

Thank you

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/28/2017 @ 14:31pm

Sue,

Here are my choices for the best songs from each of The Moody Blues core 7 albums:

Days of Future Passed: Nights In White Satin
In Search Of The Lost Chord: Legend Of A Mind
On The Threshold Of A Dream: The Voyage
To Our Children’s Children’s Children: Gypsy (Of a Strange and Different Time), Candle Of Life, Beyond (tie)
A Question Of Balance: Question
Every Good Boy Deserves Favour: The Story In Your Eyes
Seventh Sojourn: New Horizons, I’m Just A Singer (In a Rock and Roll Band) tie

Of course, my favorite Moody Blues album is “To Our Children’s Children’s Children.”

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/28/2017 @ 14:43pm

Since, Dan Rather had asked the question, about Rush being referred to as the world’s smallest symphony orchestra, I thought that it would be appropriate to mention this, once more:

As many of you are well aware, Chuck Berry, the father of Rock & Roll had passed away earlier this year at the age of 90. At this year’s induction ceremony, Electric Light Orchestra had paid homage to Chuck Berry with their magnificent cover of ‘Roll Over Beethoven.’

Why am I mentioning this? Because, The Moody Blues are to progressive rock, what Chuck Berry was to Rock & Roll, The founders of our favorite genre. Please read what Sue, an ardent Moody Blues fan has written.

Attention Progressive Rock Fans:

I CALL on the FAN BASE of ALL Progressive Rock bands to back the induction of THE MOODY BLUES. Especially Rush, Yes, ELO, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Procol Harum, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Styx, Kansas, Gentle Giant, Renaissance, Supertramp, Soft Machine, Camel, Caravan, Roxy Music, Talking Heads, Duran Duran and others!
If the RRHOF skips over the Moodies for 2018 it will be a terrible set back for the induction of so many long snubbed bands and for Progressive music completely.
If you are a fan of any of these bands or of the VERY talented bands such as: Tool, Dream Theater, Echolyn, Muse, Marillion, Mastodon, Opeth, The Decemberists and many others what are the chances for the well deserved recognition by the Hall for the future if one of the founding bands of the genre are snubbed again after almost 30 years? Think about that for a moment....

I want all FANS OF PROGRESSIVE MUSIC to vote on the 2018 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Fan Ballot page for The Moody Blues every day until December 05. They need to be the top winner! Please hit social media if you are on facebook, twitter, instagram etc or on your favorite Progressive Artist page or blog to spread the word. Tell everyone that this is not just for The Moody Blues, but also for the genre of Progressive Rock.

Thank you

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/28/2017 @ 17:08pm

So I gave my predictions of 7 inductees for 2018. I actually feel there is 10 nominees that have a good chance. I feel that the 7 I predicted are the most likely clearly but I also feel the J. Geils Band, Judas Priest and The Zombies have a fair chance of induction. So they are runnner ups. Inevitably those 3 may fall short.

J. Geils Band have been nominated before and they didnt get enougb votes. They seem to pop up in stacked lists. Judas Priest could possibly be inducted for sure with lots of votes from Hard Rock and Heavy metal inductees and experts. Eddie Trunk certainly voted for Judas Priest. They are one of his favorite artists of all time
Now the Zombies have been nominated a couple other times. They are on a stacked list and also may fall short.

So the Moody Blues, Bon Jovi, Dire Straits and my other predictions are the most likely I feel. I wanted to mention my runner ups because you never know.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/30/2017 @ 07:33am

What I often do in this Down time while we wait is look back at a couple past ceremonies. 20 years ago was the 1998 ceremony. The Inductees were Fleetwood Mac, Santana, Mamas & Papas, Lloyd Price, Gene Vincent and the Eagles. This was a pretty good class even though I find the Eagles pretty boring. It made sense on the basis of tbeir popularity and impact. I didnt mind them as a young teenager.

So as a comparison the recent classes have been a way of getting back to that glory with a couple 80s and 90s acts thrown in. This year could be a real good class like 20 years ago.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/1/2017 @ 06:27am

I just want to be clear that getting back to that glory with a couple 80s and 90s acts thrown in means that the variety brought by 80s and 90s acts is part of the glory. I mean I think Dr. John,the Faces and others could have waited in favor of Journey,The Cars, Dire Straits and Duran Duran. The 2011 class was not one of the best at all.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11/2/2017 @ 13:30pm

Hi, I'm a new poster to this forum but have been visiting this site for about five years. I love reading the debates and the reasoning behind the support for various artists. I am basically a classic rock guy but I recognize that that the Rock Hall of Fame uses a broad definition of what constitutes rock music. Most of my favorite artists ( The Who, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Simon and Garfunkel etc) are already in the Hall. But the Moody Blues, the Spinners, Pat Benatar, the Guess Who, the Stylistics, Foreigner, Jethro Tull, Chubby Checker, Def Leppard, Three Dog Night, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, and Judas Priest are all worthy of induction. Bon Jovi, because the were the first hard rock band to dominate the singles chart and Top 40 radio (an under appreciated fact), is also deserving. And Sister Rosetta Tharpe is probably THE single most glaring omission of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The Moodies are the second worst omission. Rap acts like LL Cool J, Snoop Dogg, and Notorious Big will be in soon, although rap isn't my cup of tea ( and I'm black). I hope that great bands such as Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden , and Alice in Chains are recognized soon. Love those bands!!

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 11/2/2017 @ 15:15pm

So now after my initial comments, here are my predictions for the 2018 inductions--

Moody Blues
Radiohead
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Eurythmics
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

I don't see the J Geils Band as Hall of Fame worthy. They were good but not special enough to merit admission. Ditto for the Zombies. Bon Jovi should get in. Same with the Cars. Dire Straits deserves consideration, as does Link Wray. I know Nina Simone by reputation but am not familiar with her music.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 11/2/2017 @ 15:31pm

Also, while Kate Bush is obviously talented and an important artist in Britain, she did not have enough success or impact in America to warrant Rock Hall induction.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 11/2/2017 @ 15:36pm

Connie Francis, Neil Sedaka, and Paul Anka should be in as well.

Posted by Mark tesla on Thursday, 11/2/2017 @ 16:17pm

Hi Mike,

Welcome to the site. I am one of the regulars. A lot of my favorite artists-The Who, Simon & Garfunkel, Pink Floyd, Steely Dan,etc-are in the Hall already. But the Moody Blues, The Guess Who, Jethro Tull, the Spinners along with so many others are worthy of induction. The Moodies is one of the worst omissions. Soundgarden should have been recognized this for sure. I am not even a big 90s rock person but they are one of the best 90s acts.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11/2/2017 @ 17:40pm

"Bon Jovi, because the were the first hard rock band to dominate the singles chart and Top 40 radio (an under appreciated fact), is also deserving."

I'd say the Rolling Stones and you could argue for someone earlier. Bon Jovi weren't even the first hair metal band to dominate top 40, as Van Halen and Def Leppard did that first.

Posted by Sean on Thursday, 11/2/2017 @ 17:54pm

Hello Sean. I have to take issue with your reply to my post.
First, Def Leppard did not become huge on the singles charts until 1987 with their Hysteria album, the year after Bon Jovi became massive on Top 40 radio "You Give Love A Bad Name" from the Slippery When Wet album in 1986. Their previous album Pyromania's biggest single was Photogragh, which peaked at number 12 in 1983. No top ten hits from Pyromania. Second, while Van Halen did have success on the singles chart in mid 1980's they had a total of 3 top ten singles in this period, from 1984-1986, with 1 number one singles. These in fact were the only top tens in Van Halen's long career. Bon Jovi, however, had 8 top ten singles from 1986-1989, with 4 number ones. Bon Jovi was far more successful on the singles chart than Van Halen. Bon Jovi has a total of 10 top ten singles to date. Van Halen was never truly dominant on the singles chart the way Bon Jovi was. And I'm a much bigger fan of Def Leppard and Van Halen than I am of Bon Jovi. I think that the chart history shows that my arguments are clearly superior to yours on this. Finally, as much as I love the Rolling Stones, and while they clearly were a very successful singles band, I doubt many people would consider them a hard rock band. A rock band yes, but in terms of their recordings I don't consider most of their output hard rock. I restate my original point, that while hard rock songs have on occasion become big hit singles, no hard rock or metal band dominated Top 40 radio and the singles chart before Bon Jovi did in 1986-1989. Take care.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 00:06am

Mark, the Rolling Stones are much harder than Bon Jovi.

Glad to see you post here, though.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 12:49pm

Thanks for the welcome, Paul. I'm sure that we'll have more discussions in the near future.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 13:49pm

Paul,

Which Stones songs do consider to be even near hard? I can think of a few that would be middle ground but a good portion of their songs tended toward the softer side. I can see some of the Who and even a few Beatles' songs touching on hard rock but I can't think of one Stone's song that comes close.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 13:56pm

Ben, I'm sure that Soundgarden will make in the next few years. Shame that they weren't nominated this year.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 14:18pm

To Whom it may concern, My son Richie was a big fan of this site & sadly made way too many comments on here which resulted in you guys blocking him. He was called a troll & annoying as heck by one user. I just wanted you to know that my son is not a Troll, he is actually an Autistic young man who did not understand the rules of placing comments. He did not mean to offend anyone & is so crushed to be blocked. He is a huge music fan & I taught him to talk through country music. I have explained to him the rules & he is so very sorry for leaving too many comments but being Autistic he truly didn't understand the error of his ways. Would you please give him another chance as this site means so much to him. You have my promise & his that he will limit his comments to the proper amount. Thank you & have a great day.

Posted by Sheri on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 15:08pm

I was just typing a long series of comments and they just disappeared. I had been typing and thinking for half and hour and just lost everything. Don't know what happened. Anyway, the gist of it was that more modern rock bands such as the Pixies, Sonic Youth, and the Replacements should have been more commercially successful to merit induction. While they made some good music, we can't compare them to acts such as the Velvet Underground or the Stooges who are on the Hall despite having sold relatively few records, because in their time guitar rock was undergoing significant transformation and these older band could truly be considered innovators. This may be the thought process that keeps these modern bands of of the Hall.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 15:32pm

Sorry about the spelling in my last post. That is what happens when I rush my typing and do not proofread.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 19:11pm

Please Sheri encourage Richie to post again.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 19:15pm

Zuzu, while I realize that Bon Jovi made their fair share of sweet ballads, I can't think of any Stones song as hard as Bon Jovi's "You Give Love A Bad Name" or " Living on A Prayer". The hardest rock song the Stones made that I can recall is "Jumping Jack Flash". Sorry Paul! : )

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 19:32pm

A lot of predictions have Sister Rosetta Thorpe, Nina Simone, and/or Link Wray getting in the "back door" instead of as performers, which is what they are nominated as. Can you imagine other halls of fame working this way? It's SOOOOOO shady. It's like Pete Rose making the baseball hall of fame as a "batsman" or some made up crap. The RNRHOF needs to publish the results and stop this silliness.

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 21:17pm

Yes Classic Rock, the Rock Hall of Fame needs to be much more transparent. But I'll tell you, it is good to see them induct long overdue artists such as Linda Ronstadt, Yes, Cat Stevens, and Deep Purple. Not to mention a great band like Rush, whose album Hold Your Fire is one of my top 5 favorites of all time. Hopefully they'll finally accept the Moody Blues this year. I think that they will. And maybe Pat Benatar next year.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 11/3/2017 @ 23:38pm

Hi Mark Tesla, Thank you so much for your kind comment. Right now Richie has been blocked from this site & we're waiting to see if he will be allowed to return. He & I so hope so as Richie loves this site very much. Music is Richie's dream & passion & without it he would not be as far along in his progress. He struggles though on an everyday basis with social interactions & has problems when people ask him questions. He is slowly learning though & I am helping him now to navigate these types of social sites. It warms my heart to see your message asking him to post again. Have a wonderful day & thank you again.

Posted by Sheri on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 11:19am

Sheri,

I certainly appreciate the passion that Richie has for music; I am also passionate about music, particularly progressive rock. I also think that I am most certainly able to understand an individual having difficulties with various social interactions. I have had similar issues with various people for well over 50 years, that is the primary reason why I have never had a significant other. Does Richie also have difficulties with reading body language? Does it seem like he himself does not belong and will never belong to any group? Yet, I am guessing that complex mathematics is relatively easy for him and that he is able to estimate things with perhaps almost a modicum of effort. Is that basically correct?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 14:07pm

Mark,

Welcome to this forum. I am certain that your contributions will be most appreciated. My particular interest is that of prog; I have been an aficionado of progressive rock for well over 36 years. I had first been introduced to the music of Rush almost 39 years ago. I have been an aficionado of most of Rush’s music and The Moody Blues’ music for over 37 years. Yes is my co-favorite band musically for over 36 years.

As far as prog is concerned, my 20 favorite major artists, in order, as of today, are:

01. Rush
02. Yes
03. The Moody Blues
04. King Crimson
05. Duran Duran
06. Pink Floyd
07. Jethro Tull
08. Gentle Giant
09. Genesis
10. Talking Heads
11. Renaissance
12. Electric Light Orchestra
13. Kansas
14. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
15. Peter Gabriel
16. Procol Harum
17. Supertramp
18. Alan Parson’s Project
19. Styx
20. Asia


03. The Moody Blues

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 14:20pm

Dear Sheri, I’d like to apologize for my behaviour, as I feel like I should have realized what was going on. I hope that FRL will lift the ban, as anybody who is truly enthousiastic about music and respects the opinions of others should have the chance to post on the website. It is fantastic to hear that richie found a way to express himself through music and I hope to see him come back soon.

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 14:33pm

Mark,

Welcome to this forum. My particular interest is in progressive rock. I have been an aficionado of prog for well over 36 years. I had first been introduced to the music of Rush nearly 39 years ago. I had discovered the music of The Moody Blues, for myself over 37 years ago. I have been an afionado of Rush’s and The Moody Blues’ music for over 37 years. My co-favorite prog band musically is Yes, whose music I had been introduced to over 36 years ago.

As of today, my 20 favorite prog artists, in order are:

01. Rush
02. Yes
03. The Moody Blues
04. King Crimson
05. Duran Duran
06. Pink Floyd
07. Jethro Tull
08. Gentle Giant
09. Genesis
10. Talking Heads
11. Renaissance
12. Electric Light Orchestra
13. Kansas
14. Emerson Lake & Palmer
15. Peter Gabriel
16. Procol Harum
17. Supertramp
18. Alan Parsons’ Project
19. Styx
20. Asia

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 14:35pm

Hello Sheri. You stated that your son loves this website. So do I ! Every year around nomination and induction time I spend some time here. It seems that I've really become deeply interested in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the past five years, when I began viewing induction ceremonies. As someone who reads a fair amount about the history of popular music, I 'm stimulated by discussion about performers of the past. I also love debating the merits of artists eligible for induction, and I'm pretty opinionated. So yes, keep encouraging Richie to post and discuss what he is passionate about. Take care and be well! : )

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 15:38pm

Hello Enigmaticus, thanks for the welcome. I love many of the bands you mentioned like Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, and Yes. I've listened to Gentle Giant on YouTube, but I do not know Renaissance. Love the band Kansas though, especially Point of Know Return. Over the past few years I have read many of your posts and know already that you're passionate about progressive rock. As a guitar/classic rock guy I've grown up listen to these groups, starting around 1980. By the way , Can made some nice music in the early 70s. I guess you are already familiar, but if not, check them out! I look forward to chatting with you again soon. Take care and be well! : )

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 16:02pm

Meant to say in previous post "grown up listening to these groups". I rush my typing too much.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 16:06pm

Jethro Tull-a great band long overdue for induction into the Hall of Fame. Rock Hall voters, it's time to wake up! This also goes for Emerson, Lake and Palmer!!

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 16:20pm

Mark Tesla,

You are most certainly very welcome. I also look forward to chatting again with you, soon!

Sheri,

I completely understand your son’s situation and I feel that he would be a great contributor to this forum.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 16:27pm

Mark Tesla,

I have known Enig a long while on here. I like some prog but I also like all kinds of Rock and music. I dig a lot of Blues rock. The best example in the Hall is Eric Clapton. He is my favorite guitarist. I waw happy when Stevie Ray Vaughan was inducted. The current nominee J. Geils Band is tbe blues Rock choice this year. I like some of their tunes but I am not expecting them to be inducted this year.

It is good to see the Hall inducting long overdue artists like Linda Ronstadt, Cat Stevens, Deep Purple and Yes. I am confident they will induct The Moody Blues this year. I am a big fan and they are long overdue. The Moodys should have been inducted about 20 years ago.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 17:01pm

Mark Tesla,

I have known Enig a long while on here. I like some prog but I also like all kinds of Rock and music. I dig a lot of Blues rock. The best example in the Hall is Eric Clapton. He is my favorite guitarist. I waw happy when Stevie Ray Vaughan was inducted. The current nominee J. Geils Band is tbe blues Rock choice this year. I like some of their tunes but I am not expecting them to be inducted this year.

It is good to see the Hall inducting long overdue artists like Linda Ronstadt, Cat Stevens, Deep Purple and Yes. I am confident they will induct The Moody Blues this year. I am a big fan and they are long overdue. The Moodys should have been inducted about 20 years ago.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 17:01pm

I have been somewhat reluctant to name possible inductees for next year, but I will still at least finally attempt to do so. The problem is there are 19 nominees and it’s so difficult to choose this time.

First of all, The Rock Hall has received a great deal of criticism for not inducting enough female artists. Hence, I think that it is likely for Sister Rosetta Tharpe to be inducted as an early influence. I also think that Nina Simone stands a good chance of being inducted as a performer, posthumously. I have also voted for her each and every time.

I have voted for Eurythmics every single time that I have voted. I also think that Eurythmics are a likely inductee. My friend Lisa likes Kate Bush even more than I do, but inducting an artist who represents singer/songwriting, in addition to prog seems likely. I have also voted for Kate Bush every time.of course her work is somewhat eclectic, but worth exploring. If she is inducted, she will be the 8th inductee in the performer category.

The Zombies and The Moody Blues are the two major prog bands on this ballot. The Moody Blues will be inducted because they are the founders of both prog and art rock. Their influence is immense and their importance to rock’s evolution is critical.

The Zombies may receive the critical vote, however.

The Cars are another likely inductee. I have enjoyed the music of The Cars for almost 4 decades.

Bon Jovi is leading the polls by a landslide so I think that there’s a great chance that they’ll be inducted also.

Dire Straits is likely also. Mark Knopfler is a very highly respected artist.

Judas Priest has been another glaring omission. Will the Rock Hall vote them in on the first ballot, or will they have to wait?

Radiohead is a critical favorite, although I have never quite understood why.

If I were guessing, I would say that Link Wray will also be inducted as an early influence.

Who, do I think will be inducted?

01. The Moody Blues: As was the case in 2013, I expect Rush’s biggest overall influence to be inducted into the Rock Hall by the members of Rush next year.

02. Bon Jovi: the runaway winner of the fan vote will not be ignored.

03. The Cars: I think that the third time will be the charm for this band.

04. Dire Straits: The Rock Hall really wants to see these guys inducted, however they may have to wait another year. I think that it is more likely that Judas Priest will be inducted, instead.

05. Eurythmics: Annie Lennox and David Stewart definitely deserve this honor.

06. Nina Simone: perhaps Sade will make an appearance to induct her?

07. Radiohead: they are a critical favorite.

So, therefore here are the artists who I think will be inducted:

The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Eurythmics
Sister Rosetta Tharpe (as an early influence)
Link Wray (as an early influence)
Nina Simone
The Cars
Judas Priest

If there are 7 performers,

Kate Bush, or The Zombies.

If 8,

Dire Straits

If 9,

Depeche Mode

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 17:35pm

Ben, it was good to see Stevie Ray Vaughn inducted because he had a fresh take on the blues that contemporary artists lacked. I'm a fan of different styles of rock myself. My all time favorite artist is The Who. The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, the Beach Boys, Simon and Garfunkel, Pink Floyd, the Moody Blues, U2, Green Day, REM, and the Beatles (1967-1970 era). I am also favorable towards Prince , Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Bob Dylan, Rush, The Band, Stone Temple Pilots, Cat Stevens, Nirvana, Pat Benatar, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden , Roy Orbison, Yes, the Coasters, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Def Leppard, and Guns N Roses. Metal bands like Scorpions, Judas Priest, Metallica, and Iron Maiden I've enjoyed a bit as well. Among soul groups, the Spinners and Earth Wind and Fire are my favorites of that genre. Check out MGMT, a band that's been around relatively few years but makes great spacey rock. Take care.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 19:05pm

Enig, you and I agree on 5 inductee predictions. I chose the Moody Blues, Radiohead, Sister R Tharpe, Ll Cool J, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, and Rufus with Chaka Khan. Bon Jovi has a shot, and I would l love to see the Cars make it.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 19:41pm

Mark Tesla,

I want to make it a point to say that my all time favorite artist is the Who as well. The Rolling Stones,Van Morrison,Simon & Garfunkel, The Moody Blues, The Pretenders,REM and Eric Clapton are some other favs. I also like Blondie, the Temptations, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, Heart and soo many others.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 20:35pm

Ben, early to mid 70s Stevie Wonder music ranks up there with there with that decade's best pop music, although The Who's albums Who's Next and Quadrophenia are at the top of the heap in my opinion.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 21:01pm

Hi Enigmatcus,Thank you so much for not only your kind words but also your accurate understanding of my son. You described my son to a t. He is somewhat a genius in many ways & yet it's so hard for him to convey what he means & express his feelings. He really meant no offence to anyone on here. He gets so excited about things he loves ( music) & he become very repetitive. So few people understand & sadly take him the wrong way. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for understanding. I am Aspergers or mildly Autistic as I prefer & I so understand your struggles as well. Many blessings to you.

Posted by Sheri on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 21:03pm

Hi Mark Tesla, Thank you again for your kind words. I too love music & you could say I grew up surrounded by Rock & Rollers. In my opinion, some of God's nicest & caring people are rock & roll performers. Most tolerant group of men & women I've ever met. Richie & I are keeping our fingers crossed that the wonderful people who run this site will change their minds & give him one more chance...Thank you & have a lovely evening.

Posted by Sheri on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 21:10pm

Hi The_Claw, Thank you for the apology but please don't worry. Many people don't understand & Richie really wanted to try & do this on his own without Mom's help but alas he has learned through this that we all sometimes need help & a bit of direction to learn things. Have a wonderful night.
To whoever just let Richie back on this site I say thank you from the bottom of my heart!! Richie is so very happy & please let me assure you again, I will be watching how many times he posts & will do my very best to guide him...Bless you!!

Posted by Sheri on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 21:21pm

Thank You for allowing me back on this site I promise I will limit my comments and be respectful have a good night

Posted by richie on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 21:23pm

Enigmaticus, Ben, and all others-I used to think of Alice Cooper's music as so-so. Sure, he had a great stage show, with mock beheadings and fake hangings and all the wild props. To me, his best known songs like School's Out and I'm Eighteen were ok but not special. But about 3 years ago, listening to Eddie Trunk's syndicated radio hard rock show I heard Cooper's song Billion Dollar Babies. A good song that led me to purchase Cooper's album of the same name. I have to admit, after listening to that album I was hugely impressed. What a fantastic album! It greatly changed my opinion of Alice Cooper. The level of songwriting was outstanding. Hello Hooray, Elected, Raped and Freezing, Generation Landslide, and No More Mister Nice Guy and others made it Alice Cooper's career best album, and one of the best of its era. In case you've never heard it, listen to it and see what you think. Take care, be well.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 21:25pm

To the people who run Future Rock Legends, please let Richie post again and end his ban from your site. He loves FRL so give him a chance.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 21:31pm

FRL thanks for letting Richie come back. good show!

Richie, welcome back!

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 21:34pm

Ben and Enig,

Great posts and I think your choices for the induction are very interesting.... I am debating on if I will post who I think will make the final cut.

Mark Tesla,
Welcome to the group! I think you so very much for your support of The Moody Blues and I also have Jethro Tull as one of my top groups who deserve the nomination very soon. I also enjoy a wide range of music including Folk,Jazz, Bluegrass, New Age, Celtic, Blues and a vast assortment of all types of rock but especially Progressive /Art rock. I am probably unequalled in my admiration of The Moody Blues and have been a hardcore fan of almost 45 years! I feel they deserve the induction after being snubbed for almost 30 years. So many people have had such a positive impact on their lives from the Moodies powerful positive lyrics and music including myself. They have helped me during very difficult times including the loss of several family members including the sudden loss of my husband several years ago.

Sheri,

Thank you for your posts about your son Richie. I have no doubt at all that he will be a fantastic addition here. I am a librarian for a very busy public library south of Atlanta. I have worked many years with educators and others to do enrichment programs for children, teens and adults and I understand the struggles you describe. I wish that everyone could appreciate the special talents EVERY individual has to give. The world would be such a better place.

Posted by Sue on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 22:05pm

Sheri,

You are most certainly very welcome.

Richie,

Welcome back to this forum.

Mark Tesla,

My favorite Rush studio albums are (in reverse order)

20. Rush
19. Fly By Night

18. Feedback

17. 2112
16. Caress Of Steel

15. Grace Under Pressure
14. Vapor Trails

13. A Farewell To Kings
12. Counterparts
11. Hold Your Fire

10. Test For Echo
09. Hemispheres
08. Snakes & Arrows
07. Signals
06. Permanent Waves

05. Moving Pictures
04. Clockwork Angels
03. Power Windows
02. Presto
01. Roll The Bones


Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 22:30pm

Hey Sheri and Richie,

I have to admit, I didn't even recognize that Richie was reposting the same thing repeatedly. And honestly, I'm surprised folks were that mean to him. Repeated posting is something of a pastime for some of the other members here, with little variance. So for Richie to be singled out like that is a little unusual. I have to admit, I strongly suspected autism, but I didn't want to actually say it, because it probably would have been deemed offensive if I'd been wrong.

Kind of interesting that this Rock Hall hobby and forum attracts a number of autistic people. Richie is now, I think either the fourth of fifth autistic member that I know of. So yes, with mother's assistance, I've no doubt that Richie will be right at home here.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11/4/2017 @ 23:08pm

Sue, thank you for welcoming me here. And I must say that being a Moody Blues and Jethro Tull fan, you have excellent taste in music! I'm very certain that the Moodies will be inducted next month. Hopefully, the committee will wake up and finally nominate Tull. Put them in while they are still alive please!

Posted by Mark Tesla on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 00:24am

Enigmaticus, I have only about 5 Rush albums so I'm sure my knowledge of their music isn't as comprehensive as yours. I've known Rush by listening to album rock radio for decades. So I can't really rank so many of their albums as you can. I have Hold Your Fire, Power Windows, Clockwork Angels, Moving Pictures, and Permanent Waves. Hold Your Fire is one of my favorite albums ever. The music on that disc was like music sent down from God to me. Soaring, uplifting, and transcendental.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 00:40am

These are, in my humble opinion, the ten greatest albums ever----1. Who's Next--by The Who
2. Quadrophenia--by The Who
3. Parsley, Sage, Rosemary, and Thyme--by Simon and Garfunkel
4. The Last Waltz--by The Band
5.-The Joshua Tree--by U2
6. Hold Your Fire--Rush

Posted by Mark Tesla on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 00:50am

Top 10 albums continued---

7. The Wall--by Pink Floyd
8. Blonde On Blonde--by Bob Dylan
9. Led Zeppelin ll--by Led Zeppelin
10. Abbey Road--by the Beatles

Honorable mentions to the albums Pet Sounds, Beggars Banquet, Physical Graffiti, Tommy, and Pet Sounds

Posted by Mark Tesla on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 01:18am

Sheri,

I want to say that I sensed that Richie may have some problem. I am the one who decided instead of mocking him that I would reason with him to not repeat the same post over and over again. I did not know He was autistic until very recently but I got the idea that he had trouble so I told him the benefit of not repeating the same post. So hearing that he is Autistic I want to apologize for my complaints of repetition. In my last job I was merchandiser of Music and movies. Twice a week a group of disabled children came in and I helped them. I help those in need through life due to my Mom's psychological problems.

My last job position was a Best Buy merchandiser but once or twice a week there was a group of disabled kids that came. Some of them were autistic. I support autistic people pursuing their interests. I hope richie can now stay on the site. He loves music which is cool. I understand the struggles.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 06:33am

Mark Tesla,

Our tastes seem to be very similar. Quadrophenia is my favorite album of all time. Who's Next and Tommy are favs too. I never owned Parsley,Sage, Rosemary and Thyme. I do own Bridge Over Troubled Water-Simon & Garfunkel. Blonde on Blonde by Bob Dylan and Days of Future Passed by the Moody Blues are also in my Top 10 I would say. I am not listing my Top 10 of albums at this time.

I dont own any Rush albums. I am not the fan Enig is but I am planning to change that. 30 years ago I owned some Rush on record. I had 2112, Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures. Not on Cd. As far as the Moody Blues I am also very certain that the Moodys will be inducted next month. Those like me, Sue and Enig have waited a long time.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 08:07am

Hi Ben, Thank you so much for your kind comment, understanding & letting him back on the site. I appreciate your trying to help him in the direction of how many comments are accepted. He really wanted to do this without Mom's help & I never realised how many times he had commented till it was too late. He is so excited about the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame ( every music hall of fame actually)& when he gets too excited, he will repeat things. Couple that with a difficulty with direct questions & well things get hard for those around him & him as well. Music of all genders but mainly country & rock & roll is his area of interest & truly is his world. I used country music to help him talk & many other things in his world. He really is an amazing young man & the best thing that ever happened to me. He has taught me so much about what's truly important in life & I wouldn't trade him for 10 typical children. He knows so much about music & his instincts pertaining to music ( & other things) just blows me away. It sounds like you're a very nice & tolerant man & I totally understand everything that occurred. I & he are so grateful you allowed him back on! Have a wonderful day Ben & many, many blessings!

Posted by Sheri on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 10:32am

Hi Sue, Thank you for your kind comments & what an awesome job you have! Richie loves to read & has now to date about 1500 music magazines & books. Not to mention 1300 VCR tapes full of all kinds of music programing & about 1200 CD's. Have a lovely day! Blessings.

Posted by Sheri on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 10:41am

Hi Phillip, Thank you for your kind comment & understanding. Yes, sadly a lot of people get nervous about asking someone..Are you Autistic? Simply because there still seems to be a somewhat negative air pertaining to Autism. Though our numbers are getting larger now on this earth there are some ( not on here,this was a simple misunderstanding) that can be quite cruel to us for our differences. There are also many ( again, not on here) that do not wish to accept us, only cure us. The sad thing is we simply perceive & understand things different than the masses but if we joined together we'd have such an awesome view of all that surrounds us & what a truly wonderful world it would be if that was the case. Have a great day & Blessings!

Posted by Sheri on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 10:48am

Enig,
you mentioned Bon Jovi on who you think will be inducted but you forgot to include them on so therefore here are the artists you think will be inducted along with The Moody Blues The Cars Judas Priest The Eurythmics Nina Simone Radiohead Sister Rosetta Tharpe (as an Early Influence) and Link Wray (as an Early Influence also) and you meant to say if there are 8 Performers either Kate Bush or The Zombies if 9 Dire Straits and if 10 Depeche Mode

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 11:12am

Sheri, I don't think it's so much the negative air aspect as it is not wanting to be assessed incorrectly. Like asking a woman if she's pregnant. You just don't do it; you let them bring it up first.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 11:35am

Welcome back Richie and welcome aboard Sheri!

I totally understand everything. In the last 12 years, I have been reading up and studying autism. My twin nephews have it (though one is mild), so slowly but surely I am learning how to communicate with one, and knowing what is on their minds. Sadly, today autism is the fastest growing lifetime disorder in the world. Even more sad, is that none of this is taught in most schools or even in the mainstream media about the epidemic. What people should really know is autism can be defined in several ways at different levels. There are those on the light end of the spectrum (like Bill Gates and Dan Aykroyd) while you have people at the very far end, as in people who have so much difficulty communicating that they have to be locked up in a room. My sister (mother of the twins) has suggested that I may be mildly autistic (1 or 2 out of 10 on the scale) due to my odd in-person communication ways. Over the years, I have had challenges with social skills. Sometimes I'm one of those that craves attention. Yes, we all get like that one way or another. Sometimes I try too hard to get through to a person. I get frequently obsessed with a certain band before moving on to another artist. I've been obsessed with music since I was a kid, and with the RRHOF for who knows how long. Sometimes I get obsessed with the little details on everything. The reason I bring this stuff up is because those examples are known to be common characteristics of an autistic person.

So anyway, had to get that off my chest. Richie, good to have you back. And thank you for finding me on Twitter. By the way, if anyone wants to connect my handle is @jasonvoigt.

Back to the music, I'm still deciding what my list will be. Good to see everyone's so far. Oddly, everyone's will probably look similar to mine. Radiohead will be at the top of my list, for sure - and probably the Moody Blues.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 13:11pm

Richie,

Thank you for pointing that out. I had not realized that I had somehow forgotten to include Bon Jovi on that list. I was probably thinking about my actual preferences over who will be inducted. However, Bon Jovi may be the first artist who receives the popular vote, who may not be inducted. Granted, they have a large fan base who is voting every day and they are about 100,000 votes ahead of The Moody Blues, but there is always a slim chance that the majority membership of the Hall may not vote them in.

As far as my other picks are concerned, I think that there is little question that The Moody Blues deserve this honor. They are responsible for at least two major movements in rock and popular music and their exclusion has been extremely incomprehensible. They were admittedly a huge influence on previous prog inductee Rush; Rush had themselves influenced several major genres of music. As I have stated several times previously, “I have seen no greater influence on Rush’s overall discography than that of The Moody Blues.” Future prog inductee, Duran Duran may possibly also cite them as a major influence. The Moody Blues upcoming induction may lead to another nomination for Procol Harum and a first nomination for King Crimson and Jethro Tull (three artists who are also on Rush’s must be inducted lists).

So, I am still up in the air about Bon Jovi being inducted this time.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 14:41pm

Enig,
you are very welcome and I agree on what you said although I really want Bon Jovi to get in because they really deserve it and history shows all 5 winners of the Fan Vote (Rush in 2013 Kiss in 2014 Stevie Ray Vaughan in 2015 Chicago in 2016 and Journey in 2017) have all gotten in as much as I love Judas Priest I think it`s harder for heavy metal bands to get in it took Black Sabbath 8 nominations to get in have a good day

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 15:03pm

Ben,

I had not realized that you had not owned any Rush albums. May I recommend a few to you, to get you started?

Mark Tesla,

The book, “Rush: Album by Album” offers opinions of various Rush fans about which albums are their best. Geddy Lee had mentioned in an article in PROG Magazine Issue 63, on page 55 this about “Roll The Bones”; “That whole album represents a real maturation for us as songwriters .” “There were some good songs on Presto (1989). The Pass is absolutely one of the best things we’ve ever written, But the songwriting was so much stronger on Roll The Bones.”

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 15:05pm

Ben,

I had not realized that you had not owned any Rush albums. May I recommend a few to you, to get you started?

Mark Tesla,

The book, “Rush: Album by Album” offers opinions by various Rush fans about which albums are their best. Geddy Lee had mentioned in an article in PROG Magazine Issue 63, on page 55 this about “Roll The Bones”; “That whole album represents a real maturation for us as songwriters .” “There were some good songs on Presto (1989). The Pass is absolutely one of the best things we’ve ever written, But the songwriting was so much stronger on Roll The Bones.”

As far as a list of 5 Rush albums, which you do not yet own, but which I would definitely highly recommend is concerned:

01. Exit... Stage Left (quite possibly prog’s greatest recording)
02. Clockwork Angels Tour (Rush playing with a string section, now if they would only play with a full symphony orchestra)
03. Roll The Bones (purchase the Audiofidelity Gold version, if available)
04. Presto (purchase the Audiofidelity SACD version)
05. R40 Live (a compilation of great songs over the years)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 15:38pm

Enig,

I did own about 4 on record over 30 years ago. 2112, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures and Signals. Those 4. A friend made me a Best of RUSH cd. I own a lot of Yes on cd. And of course the Moody Blues

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 15:53pm

Ben,

I do own most of Rush’s catalog on cd, with the exceptions being “Rush” and “Fly By Night.” In my honest opinion, neither “Rush,” nor “Fly By Night” were worth owning as much as their later works, so I traded them in years ago and have never replaced them. Otherwise, I highly recommend the aforementioned studio albums due to their immense Moody Blues’ and perhaps other prog artists’ influence.

01. Roll The Bones
02. Presto
03. Power Windows
04. Clockwork Angels
05. Moving Pictures
06. Permanent Waves
07. Signals
08. Snakes & Arrows
10. Test For Echo
11. Hold Your Fire
12. Counterparts

If you like Yes, then

09. Hemispheres
13. A Farewell To Kings

But overall, my favorites are arguably, their two greatest live recordings:

01. Exit... Stage Left
02. Clockwork Angels Tour
02.


Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 16:39pm

Enig,

So I dont know if this counts but a friendade me a Cd of one of the Best of Rush cds. I dont know what that is called off hand. Its 2 discs. Rush Gold. It has tunes like Closer to the Heart, Xanadu, Spirit of Radio, Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta, etc. I dont own actual album releases. Sue may Not own any Rush albums either. We should ask her. Ohhh Sue.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 17:59pm

Enigmaticus, thanks for the info about the book on Rush. Rush made a lot great music and featured 3 great musicians.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Sunday, 11/5/2017 @ 23:08pm

Enig,

So to be clear I own Rush Gold. It is a 2 disc set. I don't know if you have that since you own most of their catalog. I do want you to know I saw Rush in concert at Madison Square Garden in Dec. 1982. They were great. I owned a few of their records at the time.

I have never owned their stuff in any form after Grace Under Pressure. I own lots of Moody Blues on cd as well as Yes. I am a big fan of those 2. I own lotss of Jethro Tull albums. I own a Best of Procol Harum which I like. And there is of course Emerson. Lake and Palmer in which I own some.

Somehow with Rush I have only ended up with Rush Gold. I like the above prog groups more. I do in fact own some Old Genesis albums. I also own some tunes from Camel and Nektar. I would think you know those 2 bands. I should remedy the Rush thing. I have mulled over owning 2112 and Permanent Waves by Rush. So I do own that Rush Gold right now and I am glad that they are in the Hall. It makes sense.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/6/2017 @ 07:02am

Ben - King Crimson! King Crimson!

Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 11/6/2017 @ 14:20pm

Dezmond,

I also agree that King Crimson should be inducted next, along with Duran Duran and Procol Harum. Out of curiosity, what has happened to your blog? :-(

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 11/7/2017 @ 01:39am

I will post to everyone here. King Crimson is a group that has escaped me over the years. I love my Emerson,Lake and Palmer but somehow I fall short on King Crimson. The Hall went ahead with the Moody Blues first before either of those. This makes sense since the Moodys have this huge career that spans 50 years and are so widely known.

Rush are even more widely known. I don't fall as short on knowledge of them but on what I own. The Rush Gold has suited me in recent years. It has faves like Closer to the Heart,Xanadu, Spirit of Radio and Red Barchetta. It does not have the 2112 suite that I miss hearing or YYZ. I like Big Money from Power Windows. I don't know Power Windows and Hold Your Fire. I am not a huge fan. I do agree with Enig that the first 2 albums are not as good.

I like various genres. The Hall has done well in other genres and sub genres with favorite artists of mine. The Who is my favorite group. They were inducted immediately in 1990. It makes sense. The Doors, Grateful Dead, The Band, Jefferson Airplane and Pink Floyd were inducted fairly fast as well. They lagged a bit with Pink Floyd. As the years go by we have seen who is neglected. I like the Pretenders and REM a lot but they missed the mark with a lot of much older acts. Thus the Hall realizing that error they put Chicago, Steve Miller,ELO and Yes on ballots. And so now we have the Moody Blues on a ballot at long last.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/7/2017 @ 07:13am

songwriters_hall_of_fame_2018_nominees_for_induction_announced

THE 2018 SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

Bill Anderson
Mike Chapman
Steve Dorff
Jermaine Dupri
Randy Goodrum
Tony Macaulay
Maurice Starr
William “Mickey” Stevenson
Allee Willis

L. Russell Brown/Irwin Levine
Kye Fleming/Dennis Morgan
Denny Randell/Sandy Linzer

Tracy Chapman
Mariah Carey
Tom T. Hall
Jimmy Cliff
Tom Waits
Alice Cooper
Chrissie Hynde
John Mellencamp
Alan Jackson
Kool & The Gang
The Isley Brothers
N.W.A

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11/7/2017 @ 11:09am

richie,

Welcome back. I am responding to a post of yours on Bon Jovi. I agree that they deserve induction. In fact if they win induction I think they would be the headline due to their enormous worldwide popularity. I expect one of the 90s choices this year but they dont get universal attention like Pearl Jam last year. As much as Judas Priest deserve it I dont know if its in the Cards this year. They need more votes than Eddie Trunk and the Metallica guys.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/7/2017 @ 11:46am

I think Bon Jovi will get lots and lots of Votes. They are embraced by the Rock world as a whole. They are kind of a Harder rock version of Bruce Springsteen. I am confident that Bon Jovi will be inducted. They would be the arena rock choice for this class. Its the same way Journey was inducted last year. The Hall is loosening up with the 80s.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/7/2017 @ 15:07pm

These are the songs that I consider to be the greatest ever

1. Won't Get Fooled Again--The Who
2. Dancing Queen --ABBA
3. What Is Life--George Harrison
4. B.A.D.--U2 (live version from Wide Awake in America
5. Pure And Easy--The Who
6. In My Life--The Beatles
7. For Emily Wherever I May Find Her--Simon and Garfunkel
8. Black Dog--Led Zeppelin
9. Honky Tonk Women--The Rolling Stones
10. Oh Very Young --Cat Stevens (live from Majicat album)

Posted by Mark Tesla on Tuesday, 11/7/2017 @ 15:10pm

https://www.songhall.org/news/view/songwriters_hall_of_fame_2018_nominees_for_induction_announced

THE 2018 SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

Bill Anderson
Mike Chapman
Steve Dorff
Jermaine Dupri
Randy Goodrum
Tony Macaulay
Maurice Starr
William “Mickey” Stevenson
Allee Willis

L. Russell Brown/Irwin Levine
Kye Fleming/Dennis Morgan
Denny Randell/Sandy Linzer

Tracy Chapman
Mariah Carey
Tom T. Hall
Jimmy Cliff
Tom Waits
Alice Cooper
Chrissie Hynde
John Mellencamp
Alan Jackson
Kool & The Gang
The Isley Brothers
N.W.A

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11/7/2017 @ 15:10pm

Greatest songs ever part 2----

11. Question--The Moody Blues
12. Comfortably Numb--Pink Floyd
13. Cloudy--Simon and Garfunkel
14. Sloop John B--The Beach Boys
15. Ophelia--The Band ( from The Last Waltz)
16. Bargain --The Who
17. 1999--Prince
18. Red Hill Mining Town--U2
19. Alien Days--MGMT
20. Positively 4th Street--Bob Dylan

Honorable mentions go to Layla-- by Derek and The Dominoes,
The Voice--by The Moody Blues, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road--by Elton John, Pinball Wizard; We're Not Gonna Take It; I Can See For Miles; all three songs by The Who, Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'--by Journey, and The Rain, the Park, and Other Things--by The Cowsills.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Tuesday, 11/7/2017 @ 15:35pm

That's very interesting, Roy. I was pleased to see Mariah Carey nominated; I've always felt her songwriting is undervalued. How many people know that she wrote or co-wrote more #1 hits than anyone not named John Lennon or Paul McCartney?

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Tuesday, 11/7/2017 @ 17:30pm

With regards to the fan vote, I have always suspected it's unofficially official that the winner is inducted, which is why I think Bon Jovi will be among the inductees this year.

I've seen writers suggesting this could be the first year where the winner is not inducted, but I don't think the Rock Hall wants to deal with that PR nightmare.

I remember reading an article talking about the Fan Vote and past results. The author was talking about KISS in 2014 and said he had reached out to as many voters as he could and he could not find one person who voted for KISS. And last year with Journey, I know Eddie Trunk voted for them but I don't remember seeing many other ballots that had them.

This is what leads me to my theory. Perhaps in a year when the winner is an artist who the voters may not favor (KISS, Journey, Bon Jovi, etc.), you see more than 5 inductees. So maybe they induct the 5 that the voters actually voted for, and then the fan winner. I'd be curious to see if anyone thinks there's any credence to my theory.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 11/8/2017 @ 16:33pm

Greg P.,

I think I agree. Who were the winners of the Fan poll the last 2 years? I think it was Chicago 2 years ago in late 2015. It was 5 and Chicago was included. Was Chicago the winner 2 years ago. I think you are saying that Journey was the winner last year. Journey was not favored by lots of Voters. Yet they were inducted. This supports your theory. There was 6 inductees last year.

I need to know the winners of the Fan poll for 2 and 3 years ago to support your theory more.

I wpuld

Posted by Ben on Friday, 11/10/2017 @ 09:21am

Ben,

Yes, Chicago won two years ago.

The winners have been:

2013 - Rush
2014 - KISS
2015 - Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble
2016 - Chicago
2017 - Journey

Looking back, 2016, which was Chicago's year, was the only year with just 5 inductees.

Posted by Gregory Peurach on Friday, 11/10/2017 @ 11:08am

2013 - Rush
2014 - KISS
2015 - Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble
2016 - Chicago
2017 - Journey
2018 - Bon Jovi


One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong. Can you tell which thing is not like the other by the time I finish my song?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 11/10/2017 @ 11:42am

I will probably be wrong on this. I am responding to Follower. Can we please get the answer. Bon Jovi is different? Its favored less by Voters. Am I warm? You must give me the answer or I will never know If I am right or wrong.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/11/2017 @ 06:45am

Ben

Kiss is the only one in all caps.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11/11/2017 @ 07:56am

The one I had in mind was SRV, because critics don't absolutely hate him like the others.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 11/11/2017 @ 12:34pm

Follower

What significance do you think that has?

For some reason I thought early on when Infinity came out, Journey was getting good reviews.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11/11/2017 @ 13:55pm

Whenever people mention "populist acts" and group those artists together, SRV is often left out.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 11/11/2017 @ 14:30pm

Hi Jason Voigt, I owe you an apology for a few reasons. First my delay in responding to your kind comment pertaining to my son Richie & I awhile back, second, I replied back today & Richie informed me that not only did I spell your last name wrong but I also left it by accident on the predictions page instead of this one. I am so sorry for the mistakes I made! I thank you for your kind & thoughtful comments pertaining to Richie & Autism itself & I also thank you for allowing Richie to connect with you on Twitter. He is so excited about you posting your 2018 predictions at the end of November as he feels your predictions are very similar to his. I agree with what your sister told you as research is clearly showing a genetic connection where us Autistic's are concerned. So many call the onslaught of Autistic people in todays world an epidemic but to us Autistic's it is simply an evolution of mankind itself. Did you know research is now showing us that some of the most influential & game changers ( so to speak) in history have indeed been on the spectrum? It's pretty cool! Anyways Jason, thank you again for your kindness to Richie & I...Many, many blessings to you & your family.

Posted by Sheri on Saturday, 11/11/2017 @ 17:41pm

Follower,

You are right. Stevie Ray Vaughan is not really a populist act. I am a huge fan of
SR Vaughan. He went against trends in the 80s. He was very much a Blues artist at a time when synths, keyboards and flashy bands were so huge. I recall critics gave some of his albums good reviews.

The others were not liked too much by critics. I am a fan of quite a bit of Chicago but many critics didnt always go for them. Critics did not like Kiss and Journey. I knew I would get that wrong. Thank you for the answer.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/11/2017 @ 18:04pm

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2018.html

DDD SAMPSON'S QUALIFICATION RATINGS FOR THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

9 - Sister Rosetta Tharpe
8 - Radiohead
8 - LL Cool J
7 - Link Wray
7 - The Meters
7 - The Cars
7 - Bon Jovi
7 - Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
6 - Dire Straits
6 - Judas Priest
6 - Depeche Mode
6 - MC5
6 - Rage Against The Machine
5 - The Moody Blues
5 - Kate Bush
5 - Eurythmics
5 - The J. Geils Band
4 - The Zombies
4 - Nina Simone

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11/12/2017 @ 08:53am

Roy,

This is the main reason why I have never understood rock critics. In my honest opinion, Digital Dream Door is quite incorrect. The Moody Blues are worthy of a 10 rating, as are previous inductees; Rush, Yes, Electric Light Orchestra and future prog inductees: King Crimson, Jethro Tull and Duran Duran.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/12/2017 @ 12:48pm

Enig,

Digital dream door is indeed not correct. I dont know if Digital Dream Door is a person or site but its incorrect. I too think the Moody Blues are worthy of a 10 rating. The only part of his comments is that the Moody Blues were incidental during the early British Invasion. However , they did open for the Beatles on their 1965 American tour. The period right after was monumental with Days of FP. In tbe early 70s they were very popular and putting out terrific albums still.

Nina Simone should have at least a 8 rating. She was a fantastic vocalist. Also Kate Bush doesnt get enough credit. She should be higher also.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/13/2017 @ 07:02am

DDD has never had any credibility if you ask me.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Monday, 11/13/2017 @ 07:55am

Nicky Joe,

It seems that way to me. Hey can you repost your predictions. I dont know where yours are. DDD doesnt know what he is talking about. Besides the Moodys who O always talk about why are Nina Simone and Kate Bush rated so low. Kate Bush actually could be slightly higher But Nina should have a high rating. It depends what the ratings are for.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/13/2017 @ 08:27am

I agree with Sheri.. Many of our best artists are spectrum folks ..!Rock ON

Posted by Evo on Monday, 11/13/2017 @ 11:03am

Nicky Joe,

I did find something from early in this thread. Dated 10/5. You had 11 scenarios for your predictions. I couldnt find an entry with your final predictions. You predicted Bon Jovi in a few. You predicted the Moody Blues in a focus on Classic Rock. Are you planning on a single final list. Respond if you can.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/13/2017 @ 11:15am

Well the most I can give you is a ranking of most to least likely going to be inducted so here we go

The Moody Blues
Bon Jovi
Radiohead
Nina Simone
The Cars
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Dire Straits
Rage Against the Machine
Judas Priest
Eurythmics
Depeche Mode
LL Cool J
The Zombies
Kate Bush

To be honest I think everything below Kate Bush will most likely never see an induction at any point in the future so ranking the rest seems pointless to me.

With DDD, it's supposedly based on qualifications but it seems like it's more about name recognition in America rather than actual worth which is why I refuse to take their critiques seriously and even when they complain about the lack of women, ethnic minorities and newer artists, I struggle to see it myself.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Monday, 11/13/2017 @ 14:33pm

Nicky Joe,

I do see Your point about below Kate Bush. The Meters, Rufus and Link Wray are not likely to see an induction any time soon. They cant get the Votes. I like some tunes from the Meters. That doesnt mean they mean they have a chance.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/13/2017 @ 19:16pm

Message from the Moody Blues on the Rock Hall website.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 11/15/2017 @ 14:15pm

I just checked out the message from the Moody Blues on the Rock Hall web site. A glaring omission that we have talked about a long time. I knew the day would finally come they are nominated. That was half the battle right there. Induction should be fairly easy.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11/16/2017 @ 08:30am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5VlshF5xCQ

Your Official Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2018 Nominees

VIDEO

Why am I the first to post this?

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11/16/2017 @ 10:56am

I said this about Joan Baez last year and I`m so happy that she didn`t get a backdoor induction and I`ll say it again this year I really think Nina Simone will get in this year but I think they will either put her as an Early Influence after being nominated as as Performer along with Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Link Wray just like Wanda Jackson Freddie King and The `5` Royales were or as a Musical Excellence choice after being nominated as a Performer just like Nile Rodgers of Chic was rather than as a Performer

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/19/2017 @ 16:47pm

richie,

Good to see you on here. I predicted Joan Baez as a performer last year. You see she was just as much a 60s performer as Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen. Also key folk type singers of the 60s. Now I am predicting Nina Simone among the performers this year. I believe her career started around 1958. As far as I know that starting year still qualifies you as a performer. Acts that started before 1956 would be Early performers. If read it right You predicted Joan Baez as an early influence last year and you were not correct. I think the same will happen with Nina Simone. Thats what I think. Case in point Darlen Love was inducted as a performer in 2011.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/20/2017 @ 17:04pm

Sheri,

Thanks for your response. Sorry I haven't been on the site for the last 2 weeks now bc of work and all - life sometimes gets in the way at times! Thanks Richie for letting me know.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 11/20/2017 @ 23:29pm

Just been catching up on the posts, mostly the 2018 Predictions. I'm still about halfway done on my list - hope to get 'er done by the end of the month. Before we even know it, they will be announced. Have also been looking closely at some of FRL's tweets and links.

Just wondering: does it seem likely that Bon Jovi may break the streak of #1 Fan Vote acts getting in the Hall? I've said it for a long time, that I know they'll get in the next time they are nominated the last 3 years. After reading some of the posts and articles, there seems to be some doubts of Bon Jovi getting in now. Borrowing a title from one of their million-sellers, Keep The Faith.

And, this is a bit off-topic, but am I the only one that thinks its wrong to have anyone under the age of 30 on the Rock Hall voters list right now? Seriously, what do they know and I'd like to know what kind of music is important to them. I'm not saying all people in that age group don't know a lot about rock history. Yeah, I'm jealous of course; admit it, we all get that way. Just my opinion, but I can't really think of any real journalist that's younger than me. I did see where a young gal by the name of Maria Sherman was one of the "under-30" people that was chosen as part of that elite. Yes, she has an impressive resume. But in the age where mainstream journalism is dying, what really makes her that important enough? Yes I know, the Rock Hall is trying to diversify with millennials and the old-timers. But oh well, it looks like Maria is counting her blessings (so I hope) and realizing how important her votes are.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 11/20/2017 @ 23:41pm

Jason

It isn't just millennials. There are a lot of Gen-Exers that are too young to understand why the artist pass over some nominees. Some of the things that are written out there just make me shake my head.

One thought that Chicago and Steve Miller were not rock

Another was involved with that NPR list of greatest albums by women and that list was a total joke.

And in general

A group of bloggers were surprised about Danny using so many colorful words. I guess they didn't know that Bobby wrote State of the Union in response to being arrested for swearing on stage

I have seen one hall watch blog fail to list REO's signature song, Riding The Storm Out on the important song list.

I have seen Rufus referred to a a disco band when they were a funk band with close connections to several Chicago garage bands.

I have seen Journey referred to as an 80s band when they formed in 73 as a jazz rock fusion band that backed up other artist in the studio.


As far as this year's ballot goes Moody Blues is a lock and that is only because this ballot is mostly a garbage dump. On a stronger ballot they wouldn't be. Anybody else is up for grabs. It's possible that Rufus isn't out of it - that's how bad I think this ticket is.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11/21/2017 @ 01:43am

I am looking forward to the induction of the Moody Blues. The thing is a few friends are simply hoping they are inducted. I made the point that they will get plenty of votes. I do realize that it took Yes 3 nominations to be inducted. I hope that the same thing would NOT happen to the Moodys. Can some of you help me with evidence that they will sail right in.

I got some evidence that the Moodys will br inducted. I think they have done well in the Fan poll. Also Yes was a little harder for voters because they are deep in the prog. The Moody Blues were the first prog group I feel. Since they came along in the 60s they appeal to a a lot of other 60s acts. Some of you should chime in.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/21/2017 @ 07:18am

What I was trying to say is that the Moody Blues have a slightly wider audience like Chicago, Steve Miller and ELO in the last few years. Any of the older Rock voters can Vote for the Moodys. Anyone from Pete Townsend and Eric Burdon to The Rush members would vote for them.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/21/2017 @ 10:39am

Jason.
I think Bon Jovi will get lots and lots of votes so I am confident that Bon Jovi will be inducted this year they are just too big to ignore/pass up and they would easily be the headliners at the ceremony and it would bring big ratings to HBO and huge ticket sales to the Ceremony so I am very confident that they`ll get in this year and deservedly so
Mom says thanks for the response and no worries about the delay life is life Jason, many blessings have a good day

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/21/2017 @ 11:36am

Ben

Chicago was the #1 record seller in the 70s. They are also #4 overall. Moody Blues was sporadic at best - so no they did not have wide over all appeal. Elton John is the only artist that came close for sales in the 70s.

They are only a lock because they do not have the competition. Do you really think they would do that well on a ballot containing:

Peter Paul & Mary
Kingston Trio
Chubby Checker
Judy Collins
Tommy James & the Shondells
The Guess Who
BTO
Grand Funk
Three Dog Night
Fifth Dimmension
Gordon Lightfoot
Melanie
Commodores
Patsy Cline
The Doobie Brothers ?
Willie Nelson

I'd also consider:

REO
Styx
Kansas

Take a look at the past voting.

They will take a 70s or 60s artist over an 80s artist

They will take an American over a Brit - especially from the 70s

Remember Journey & Joan Baez. They got in because they are respected and because they were not one hit Brit wonders.

Go out there and check what the artists actually have to say about the hall. Don't just assume and project your favorite sub groups. Prog was not as universally received as you guys think.

They might have liked one or two Prog artist or maybe one or two of their songs, but nobody I knew in my age group was all gaga about all things prog. If anything most of the people were into a variety of music styles.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11/21/2017 @ 11:51am

Zuzu,

I was focused on the Moody Blues not other prog. Other prog may be hard sell like King Crimson. I knew a lot of record collectors 30 years ago like my Hippie Boss that loved the Moody Blues but did not or even like Yes, King Crimson and others.

Just to have a positive twist the Guess Who, the Fifth Dimension and the Doobie Brothers are good examples of other deserved acts. The Moody Blues didn't have as much wide overall appeal unfortunately but since almost all the 60s and 70s with ultimate wide overall appeal are in it's time for the Moody Blues. Groups like the Grateful Dead, Elton John, Allman Brothers band and Fleetwood Mac have wider appeal I guess but since they are in it is now time for the Moodys.

The Hall does NOT just go by Sales. Otherwise Donovan could NOT have gotten inducted. Paul Butterfield Blues Band were also inducted as well as Cheap Trick in recent years. You did say the Moodys are lock though whatever your reasoning.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/21/2017 @ 14:01pm

Is this the biggest list of British nominees? I could easily see at least 50% of the inductees being from across the pond:

Kate Bush
Depeche Mode
Dire Straits
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
The Zombies

Posted by dmg on Thursday, 11/23/2017 @ 12:49pm

dmg,

Yes, I also agree that there are several British artists on this particular ballot. I am relatively certain at this time that The Moody Blues are a lock for induction. Geddy, Alex and Neil are probably going to need prepare their induction speeches to induct The Moody Blues into the Rock Hall. After The Moody Blues are inducted, I think that Jethro Tull is most probably the most likely next prog inductee. But let’s not forget about Duran Duran; the nominations this year will most probably lead to their induction in 2019. In my honest opinion, Jethro Tull should be inducted by Ann Wilson and Nancy Wilson of Heart. Duran Duran should be inducted by Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 11/23/2017 @ 13:52pm

dmg,

Yes, I also agree that there are several British artists on this particular ballot. I am relatively certain at this time that The Moody Blues are a lock for induction. Geddy, Alex and Neil are probably going to need to prepare their induction speeches for The Moody Blues, in order to induct The Moody Blues into the Rock Hall. After The Moody Blues are inducted, I think that Jethro Tull is most probably the most likely next prog inductee. But let’s not forget about Duran Duran; the nominations this year will most probably lead to their induction in 2019. In my honest opinion, Jethro Tull should be inducted by Ann Wilson and Nancy Wilson of Heart. Duran Duran should be inducted
by the members of Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 11/23/2017 @ 17:33pm

My finalized predictions for the Rock Hall Class of '18:

RADIOHEAD - The next act to get in on first year of eligibility. And for the right reasons, they are respected by both the rock press and fans. They tour like crazy, they've been trendsetters, and have shaped the music industry in many ways. I could go on...

THE MOODY BLUES - The time has come for these Englishmen to finally get the respect they so long deserve, in terms of getting enshrined into a big musical institution. I'm no expert on prog like several members of this site, but any rock fan would know how innovative the MBs were in that genre. Several hits and years of touring as a band should be requirements for getting in the Hall. But there's more to it, I know. Some bands in the HOF (ELO, Genesis, Yes) were influenced by them. Fans of all types have longed for the moment, and without a doubt, it'll be here soon enough.

BON JOVI - This may be the most predictable one besides Radiohead. The fan ballot has proven so much success since its inception that it has helped some classic rock groups get inducted. Rock Hall experts of all kinds predict that Bon Jovi will keep it going. No, the amount of sold-out arena concerts, #1 hits, records sold aren't requirements of getting in the Hall. But like Bon Jovi or not, he is an icon (or should I say, they) and he's still got the energy. I hope Diana Ross is in the audience and Jon would be like, "How do you like me now, Miss Ross?!". Vote 'em in and get them overwith! (hopefully that's the last time I say that...)

NINA SIMONE - As far as performers, she'll be the female respresentative in the Rock Hall Class of 2018. (I predicted Tharpe for Early Inductee category below) This is someone who has long been a legend, crossing over genre by genre. For that, and her activism, among other things, make Nina Simone very deserving for Rock Hall induction.

L.L. COOL J - There's no better time for James Todd Smith to be inducted into the Rock Hall; before 2017 will be over he will be a Kennedy Center honoree (first rapper to be honored), plus he'll be 50 in January. I do hope voters realize there may not be more chances for LL Cool J to return to the ballot, especially with more rappers from the 90s bound to be showing up in the future. I also do hope that voters do recognize his innovations and big contributions to the rap/hip-hop world. Smith and Run DMC are widely credited as the first 'ghetto blaster' rappers. With him acting and hosting game and award shows these days, it's becoming more of a challenge looking back on Smith's legacy. Fun fact: did you know LL Cool J was the first rap act on Dick Clark's American Bandstand? (1987)

If there's a 6th inductee...

DIRE STRAITS - It took many years, but Mark Knopfler and crew have finally got on the board to be nominated. And I'm sure this will be the last, knowing that Knopfler has many well-known connections who are likely ballot voters. I've said it before: he's well-respected in the rock community, and it would not surprise me if Dire Straits gets in right away.

If there's a 7th inductee...

THE ZOMBIES - Its either going to be the Cars or the Zombies on this one. I just believe it will be one act that has been nominated at least twice already. Or maybe the Meters. Either way, they're all overdue - and as for now, I'm rooting for the Zombies, since the NomCom has already started to neglect most 60's acts.

BONUS:

SISTER ROSETTA THARPE has a surefire shot at getting a back-door nomination. Link Wray (or maybe even Nina Simone)? Maybe. But for sure, I'm just gonna put Tharpe out there since it took her this long to get even considered. Just like the others, I'm not gonna waste any time and space putting her on the regular performers list.

I think every act on the ballot is deserving in one way or another. Unfortunately this is indeed a popularity contest where one outweighs the other in some way.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 11/26/2017 @ 19:29pm

Jason,
I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I`ve got my fingers crossed that we`ll get a supersized induction class with more inductees than usual (most likely 8) in the Performer category this year because we got such a huge ballot with 19 nominees again and since it`s in Cleveland this year it would be the opportunity to do so this year so I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I`ve got my fingers crossed that we`ll get a supersized induction class with more inductees than usual (most likely 8) in the Performer category this year
here`s my predictions for the inductees (which mirrors yours except I think there will be one additional inductee from your predictions list of 7 and I think The Cars and The Eurythmics will replace The Zombies (as much as I love them) as my predictions) and which I feel is the most realistic
Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
The Eurythmics
LL Cool J
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Nina Simone
Early Influence
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/26/2017 @ 20:22pm

Richie,

Yeah I really hope that's the case, in getting 8 performers! We shall see. I think we can all agree that Radiohead, MBs, Bon Jovi, Nina Simone and Tharpe are getting in, unless someone has a different theory.

As far as the Eurythmics, I think they'll be passed over this year and they will probably appear on one or two more ballots before getting inducted. I love the Eurythmics as much as anyone (same goes for Ms. Lennox herself) and I recognize their positive contributions to rock and roll. But to me they are just one of those "if it wasn't for MTV" acts. I usually put Duran Duran and several 80s acts in that category. I know, I'm being unfair, as I can say the same about several groups, such as Guns 'N Roses who got really big thanks to MTV exposure. GNR found a way to stick out from the beginning, unlike a lot of those 80s acts.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 11/26/2017 @ 20:57pm

Jason,
I know but a lot of people are predicting The Eurythmics to get in this year and just like Mark Knopfler Annie and Dave are well-respected in the Music Industry and lots of their peers love them so I think they will get in this year

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/26/2017 @ 22:16pm

Hey FRL Regulars,
Radiohead is booked to play in Buenos Aires, Argentina on the night of the Rock Hall ceremony Saturday, April 14 so I doubt they`ll get in this year now I love them and I think they should be a slam-dunk 1st ballot inductee but the Rock Hall are all about their induction show so they`ll go for people that will be there (other than the late Nina Simone of course)

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 11/29/2017 @ 13:42pm

Kinda glad Radiohead won't be able to make it. Never got them. There are 2 major alt/rock bands of the past 20 years that I never got at all, none of it: Radiohead and Arcadia Fire.

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 11/29/2017 @ 14:59pm

They can still get in whether or not they show. I'm not sure how important is on Thom Yorke & Co's radar. A lot of times there have been many living individuals that did not show up for their own induction ceremony. However, I'm not sure about first-year-eligible ones.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 11/29/2017 @ 18:48pm

I made a change in my predictions I took Radiohead out of my picks after that news about them booking a show in Buenos Aires, Argentina on the Rock Hall ceremony Saturday, April 14 so I doubt they`ll get in this year now
so now I won`t be replacing Radiohead with anyone so I altered my predictions to 7 Performer inductees this year and to be honest I think 7 Performer inductees is more likely than 8 this year anyway
here`s my revised predictions for the inductees this year which I feel is the most realistic
Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
The Eurythmics
LL Cool J
The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Early Influence
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 11/29/2017 @ 19:20pm

Link Wray should NOT be in the RNRHOF. Reasons:

1) Zero.zero people who don't frequent this site has ever heard of Link Wray.

2) Approach 100 random adults on the street and ask them to name one Link Wray song and you're results will be 0/100.

This is a hall of FAME (ie FAMOUS). Link Wray is not famous.

3) Link Wray gets credit for "inventing" the "power chord". Ummmm...Rumble has a little bit of guitar buzz, but no power chords. Stop it.

4) A hall of fame rock and roller should have a body of work that many know and love. (#notlinkwray)

This is a Future Rock Legends myth. He wasn't that big of a deal.

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 11/29/2017 @ 22:19pm

So I'm guessing you've published a survey on the matter?

Posted by dmg on Thursday, 11/30/2017 @ 12:24pm

Re: Radiohead... I think you guys are forgetting that a lot of voters have already filled out their ballots and mailed them back in. They can't change their votes this late in the game. So unless you're either going to argue prescience and premonitions, or are going with the theory that the Hall is going to "misplace" votes for Radiohead for spite, those votes are already in and will be counted.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11/30/2017 @ 12:55pm

Plus, it's not the end of the world if Radiohead doesn't attend. Sure it'd be a great selling point for the ceremony if they did attend and perform, but there's plenty of other acts on the ballot, that if inducted can provided the HOF with a good show and that will sell tickets.

The ceremony can be anchored by Bon Jovi (plus a feel-good moment with a reuniting of Richie Sambora and Jon Bon Jovi) and the Moody Blues, two acts that are still heavily active on the touring circuit. You have the possibility of three long overdue reunions in Rage Against the Machine, Eurythmics, and Dire Straits. The Zombies, Depeche Mode,and Judas Priest and are still heavily active on the touring front and would most likely perform (the biggest if probably being Depeche Mode as they might have a similar attitude to Radiohead but would most likely intend IMO). The Cars, LL CoolJ, Rufus and Chaka Khan, the J. Geils Band, and the Meters though not currently active, would probably perform with their most recent active lineups. Even though Nina Simone has long passed, there's tons of a potential of a mega tribute and feel good moment with her induction.

I think the biggest negatives for the HOF ceremony as far as inductees would probably be Kate Bush and the MC5. Sure you could get a band to play in tribute to the MC5 as there's not many members still living, but it wouldn't be the same. And Kate Bush at first glance on the nominees was probably the most likely not to attend and perform as she doesn't travel, doesn't perform live, and being British may have a similar attitude to Radiohead about the whole thing. She's one of the only living nominees that I've yet to hear any response from about her nomination.

So unless the Hall class goes with 5 and the inductees being Radiohead, Kate Bush, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, The MC5 and someone like the Meters who haven't performed together in a long time to the best of my knowledge, the Hall will be fine with their ceremony.

Meaning Radiohead doesn't have to be passed aside just because they're not coming. The Sex Pistols, Paul McCartney (for the Beatles induction), Van Morrison, David Bowie, and Peter Gabriel (for the Genesis induction) are among some of the inductees to not attend their induction, so it's not the end of the world.

Plus, as Philip stated many votes have probably already been turned in, meaning unless the Hall wants to screw around with the votes in some big conspiracy, then anyone that voted for Radiohead will have their votes counted.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 11/30/2017 @ 13:54pm

I`m sorry about posting this comment twice but I forgot to put the night of in between on and the Rock Hall ceremony on my last comment so I wanted to do this comment again correctly
I made a change in my predictions I took Radiohead out of my picks after that news about them booking a show in Buenos Aires, Argentina on the night of the Rock Hall ceremony Saturday, April 14 so I doubt they`ll get in this year now so now I won`t be replacing Radiohead with anyone so I altered my predictions to 7 Performer inductees this year and to be honest I think 7 Performer inductees is more likely than 8 this year anyway
here`s my revised predictions for the inductees this year which I feel is the most realistic
Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
The Eurythmics
LL Cool J
The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Early Influence
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/30/2017 @ 18:01pm

Do we know when the Hall will announce its nominees?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 11/30/2017 @ 21:42pm

dmg,

I am responding to your post of a week ago. You asked the question if this is the biggest list of British nominees. I don't know about it being the biggest in the history of the Hall but it is the biggest in recent years. I looked at last year's ballot. There were 5 British nominees last year. They were Depeche Mode, Electric Light Orchestra,
Kraftwerk, Yes and the Zombies. There are 8 this year. Here is the list of those.You also listed those.

Kate Bush
Depeche Mode
Dire Straits
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
The Zombies

I never thought of that. I am also pretty certain that the Moody Blues are a lock for induction. I also agree that after the Moody Blues are inducted that Jethro Tull are most likely the next prog inductee.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/1/2017 @ 08:06am

I`m sorry about posting this comment yet again but this will be the last time I`ll post this comment I promise
I made a change in my predictions I took Radiohead out of my picks after that news about them booking a show in Buenos Aires, Argentina on the night of the Rock Hall ceremony Saturday, April 14 so I doubt they`ll get in this year now
so now I won`t be replacing Radiohead with anyone so I altered my predictions to 7 Performer inductees this year and to be honest I think 7 Performer inductees is more likely than 8 this year anyway
here`s my revised predictions for the inductees this year which I feel is the most realistic
Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
The Eurythmics
LL Cool J
The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Early Influence
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/1/2017 @ 16:59pm

Classic Rock,

I have never really been enamored by the music of Radiohead, either. I had heard “OK Computer” and had considered it to be a rather pedestrian album. I certainly will not be upset, if Radiohead does not get inducted this time around, either.

By the way, there are only a few more days left to vote for The Moody Blues on the 2018 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Fan Vote Page.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/2/2017 @ 05:05am

Of course, I am extremely interested in seeing the group who happens to be third on my list of favorite prog artists, after previous Rock Hall inductees: Rush (01) and Yes (02) announced as an inductee next week. The Moody Blues had been the first major progressive rock band which I had discovered on my own, more than 37 years ago. If I were to speculate on which prog bands will definitely benefit from The Moody Blues induction, I would say King Crimson (04), Duran Duran (05) and Jethro Tull (07). I would also say that Procol Harum (16) will be renominated afterwards. Please remember that it may be possible that Rush’s long overdue induction in 2013 had most probably led to the induction of Yes earlier this year and the probable induction of The Moody Blues in 2018.

I am terribly sorry, I had needed to amend my list of favorite "PROG" artists once more:

01. Rush
02. Yes
03. The Moody Blues
04. King Crimson
05. Duran Duran
06. Pink Floyd
07. Jethro Tull
08. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
09. Gentle Giant
10. Talking Heads
11. Genesis
12. Electric Light Orchestra
13. Renaissance
14. Kansas
15. Peter Gabriel
16. Procol Harum
17. Supertramp
18. Alan Parsons Project
19. Styx
20. Asia

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/2/2017 @ 06:15am

Here is my listing of favorite nominees from last to first;

19. MC5
18. Link Wray
17. Radiohead
16. Rage Against The Machine
15. L L Cool J
14. Judas Priest
13. Bon Jovi
12. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
11. The Meters
10. J. Geil’s Band
09. Depeche Mode
08. Sister Rosetta Tharpe
07. Dire Straits
06. Nina Simone
05. The Zombies
04. The Cars
03. Kate Bush
02. Eurythmics
01. The Moody Blues

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/2/2017 @ 07:03am

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

01. Sister Rosetta Tharpe
02. Nina Simone
03. Link Wray
04. The Zombies
05. The Moody Blues
06. MC5
07. The Meters

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING ONLY FOR THE MOST RECENT ACTS

01. Radiohead
02. Rage Against The Machine
03. LL Cool J
04. Bon Jovi
05. Depeche Mode
06. Eurythmics

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR THE REST

01. The Cars
02. Dire Straits
03. Kate Bush
04. Judas Priest
05. The J. Geils Band
06. Rufus Featuring Chaka Khan

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12/2/2017 @ 09:23am

My predictions for induction:

Bon Jovi
The Moody Blues
Judas Priest
Dire Straits
Nina Simone
Radiohead
+
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

My wishlist:

Eurythmics
Dire Straits
MC5
Nina Simone
Bon Jovi
Kate Bush
+
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by MichaelEU on Sunday, 12/3/2017 @ 11:47am

With the news that Radiohead will not attend the induction ceremony, this is my hope: if they got the votes to be inducted they should be inducted. But the Hall should also expand the class. If they originally were going to induct 6 including Radiohead, then induct 7. There's no reason Radiohead should be left out just because they won't show up. It didn't affect Sex Pistols' induction.

Posted by Greg P. on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 08:52am

If Radiohead does not get inducted it is not because they will not show up. That is ridiculous. If anything they are not showing up because they realize they are not getting the votes and are just trying to save face with a lame excuse.

This ballot does not deserve to have more than 5 inductees. It is basically a garbage dump. More than half of the nominees should not have been on this ballot.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 09:46am

Hi everyone. I was Not on here for awhile. I re appeared the other day. Ive been busy with work and clerical activities for my elderly Dad. I am back on here after a few weeks. I have been mulling over the Radiohead issue. I have never gotten them. I sampled OK Computer a few weeks ago to see what they are all about. Enig described it as pedestrian. I call it Monotonous. Is that the same thing? Define pedestrian. I will also certainly not be upset if Radiohead is not inducted this time around.

I am predicting Radiohead. I can easily replace them with Judas Priest or the J
Geils Band as a prediction but I wont. It jas been pointed out that a lot of voters have already filled out their ballots and mailed them back.

I am not going to take Radiohead out of my picks. My all time favs the Moody Blues are sure winner I would say along with Bon Jovi and Dire Straits. Nina Simone is good too. Soo here is my list once again.

Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
Eurythmics
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Nina Simone

My list stays the same this late in the game. Maybe Radiohead wont be inducted due to slightly low votes. I dont know how likely that is.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 10:02am

Hey FRL Regulars,
The 2018 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees will be announced on Wednesday December 13

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 11:45am

Ben, you really should give OK Computer a second spin. Not samples, but listen it in its entirety. Close your eyes and listen. There is a lot more going on then you probably heard. It will grow on you, I’m certain.

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 12:50pm

My predictions:

1. Nina Simone
2. Radiohead
3. Bon Jovi
4. The Moody Blues
5. Dire Straits
6. Kate Bush (yes, I know I’m probably the only one, but sometimes it pays off to bet on the underdog. There is often an inductee that most people didn’t predict.)

Early Influence:
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

No inductees in the other categories

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 12:58pm

I`m sorry about posting this comment yet again but this will be the last time that I`ll post this comment I promise
I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I`ve got my fingers crossed that we`ll get a supersized induction class of 7 inductees in the Performer category this year because we got such a huge ballot with 19 nominees again and since it`s in Cleveland this year it would be the opportunity to do so this year so I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I`ve got my fingers crossed that we`ll get a supersized induction class of 7 inductees in the Performer category this year
here`s my predictions for the inductees for this year which I feel is the most realistic
Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
The Eurythmics
LL Cool J
The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Early Influence
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
I had Radiohead on my list of predictions (I originally predicted 8 Performer inductees for this year with Sister Rosetta Tharpe as an Early Influence) but I took them out of my picks after that news about them booking a show in Buenos Aires, Argentina on the night of the Rock Hall ceremony Saturday, April 14 so I seriously doubt they`ll get in this year now
so I altered my predictions to 7 Performer inductees for this year (with Sister Rosetta Tharpe as an Early Influence) and to be honest I think 7 Performer inductees is more likely than 8 this year anyway

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 15:01pm

Ok Zuzu, I'll bite. Who on this list makes it a garbage dump, and who are the only five that deserve induction, in your opinion?

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 15:46pm

Ok Zuzu, I'll bite. Who on this list makes it a garbage dump, and who are the only five that deserve induction, in your opinion?

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 15:46pm

Philip,

If you think I should name 5 people off this list you do not come close to understanding what I am talking about.

Let's try it this way. In regards to their fiduciary duty, how many things have you seen the nom com do wrong, especially in regards to this ballot.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 17:55pm

The Claw,

Well at least even if I dont ever get them I am willing to keep them as a pick. I was a manager at some Cd stores in the 90s so I know they were very popular. I think its ridiculous to take out Radiohead because they wont show up. Someone Greg P I believe said That it didnt affect the Sex Pistols induction. I Do Not like them but never mind that. They were inducted.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/4/2017 @ 19:28pm

Zuzu, you said,

"This ballot does not deserve to have more than 5 inductees. It is basically a garbage dump. More than half of the nominees should not have been on this ballot."

Now that doesn't mean you think there are only five worth inducting, but DID say more than half should not have been on the ballot. So I think it's a fair question to ask who you don't think belongs on the ballot, and why.

As far as fiduciary duty is concerned, the question is, duty to whom/what? R&B is poorly represented, so that could be considered an error on their part. The snubbed members is always a constant problem, so perhaps you mean their duty to the acts they induct? For the most part, most of the nominees are rock 'n' roll in some capacity of the vast diaspora that is rock 'n' roll, so they're maintaining their duty in that regard.

So, again, I ask, who from this ballot should never even have been nominated?

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12/5/2017 @ 00:00am

5 referred to the top 5 that supposedly gets inducted not to deserving nominees. I brought it up because of several comments about more than 5 inductees. This group foes not deserve it.

R & B is the most poorly represented group? What about: country, folk, garage bands, 70s North American rock and the most poorly represented group - women. Dumping more Brits does not fix the problem - it makes it worse. How many significant Brits fill the gaps?

They are a non-profit which gives them tax breaks. If they are somehow getting kick-backs are they still a non-profit? Including artist from other genres that incorporate rock and roll elements is one thing. You need to read what non-com members have to say. One of them said there aren't women in rock and roll so you need to induct women from other genres. Doesn't sound like they are evaluating if there are rock and roll elements now does it? It is one thing to be inclusive but it is another to take it to the level where the term rock and roll becomes meaningless.

Where is their CPA? Who are they? Why aren't they named on their site? Why aren't they validating the nomination and voting process for accuracy like other award organizations?

Sister Rosetta Tharpe should have been early influence - Pete Seeger was early influence and he wrote material in the 60s that was widely covered

Nina Simone - on the fence - will see if she gets votes

MC5 - of the people who consider them influence how many actually sold records?

Kate Bush Has she charted in the US? - at least with Steve Goodman other artist have hits with his songs and he has some pretty impressive names that have worked with him,recorded his work or consider him an influence


Depeche Mode
Eurythmics
Radiohead
Dire Straits
Rage Against the Machine
J. Geils Band - seriously - enough

I don't see enough there

LL Cool J - I don't think I am the only one to not see his work as rock and roll

Link Wray - is he as big of an influence as some think? Funny about Slash - Gary Richrath's guitar playing is described as a new style that stepped away from blues - Slash's style is often defined as building on what Gary Richrath started

The Zombies they should have gone with a garage band instead of a low level British Invasion


Now would you like know why I'm angry about how this messes up Rufus and who they should have considered that would have helped?

And the last few years they got in some artist that would have helped Rufus

Shame on them

nom com members nominating their own band

Shame on them

I'd laugh if the voting body sent them a message - but without oversight we'll never know


Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 12/5/2017 @ 04:32am

As the resident Kate Bush fan, I have to respond.

Kate Bush had 7 top 10 hit singles in the UK, 6 in Ireland and The Netherlands, 5 in Australia and Belgium, 2 in France and New Zealand, even 1 in Canada. 8 of her albums reached the top 3 in the UK. She has 20 platinum records and 18 gold records. Why would it matter if a person has charted in the States?

Inductees are people who could be considered to be of "influence and significance to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll". This development and perpetuation doesn't necessarily have to happen in the United States. If an artist from, say, Nigeria, makes recordings that don't reach the Billboard but inspire others and lead the music in a whole new direction, than that Nigerian singer should be inducted (oh yes, this is a plead for the induction of Fela Kuti).

Kate Bush did that. Her influence can be heard most clearly in the music of Björk, Tori Amos, Florence & The Machine, Lorde, Hole, St Vincent, Regina Spektor, Fiona Apple, Liz Phair, Sarah McLachlan. Practically every female singer-songwriter that has been active in the past 25 years owes to Kate Bush.

Kate Bush has recorded a beautiful duet with Peter Gabriel called "Don't Give Up", and has collaborated with David Gilmour (her discoverer), Elton John, Prince, Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton.

She has charted in the US, by the way, as four of her records have reached the Top 50, the most successful being "Hounds of Love" from 1985 (#30) and "The Red Shoes" from 1993 (#28). Her most successful single was "Running Up That Hill", which reached #30 in 1985.

Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 12/5/2017 @ 07:51am

"MC5 - of the people who consider them influence how many actually sold records?"

A simple visit to AllMusic:

Dead Boys Mudhoney New York Dolls Pere Ubu Pretenders Ramones Sex Pistols The Clash Alice Cooper Dead Kennedys Death Henry Rollins Jon Spencer Melvins Patti Smith Primal Scream Radio Birdman Richard Hell Soundgarden Spacemen 3 The Dictators The Dirtbombs The Electric Eels The Modern Lovers The Mooney Suzuki Wolf Eyes Big Chief Black Flag Destroy All Monsters G.G. Allin Generation X Hüsker Dü Joan Jett Laughing Hyenas Misfits Monster Magnet Motörhead Queens of the Stone Age The Fluid The Go The Vines The White Stripes Was (Not Was) Halo of Flies Jet The Hellacopters The Von Bondies Holy Mountain

Posted by dmg on Tuesday, 12/5/2017 @ 08:02am

Ok, so that may be the first I've actually read someone complain that the Rock Hall wasn't being Americentric enough. I didn't say R&B was the most poorly represented, only that it was poorly represented. But even though rock and roll draws from country, folk, gospel, etc., R&B is easily the biggest and most important component or building block, so representing it more thoroughly behooves the Hall best.

I don't have time right now to get to the rest of this. If you read my open letter to the NomComm, you know how I feel about the lack of women, and an overall sense of how I feel about this ballot and the Hall's fiduciary duty to our society, as a whole, but even that doesn't mean that Radiohead and the Zombies (who are more worthy than the American Breed, Them, or even ? & The Mysterians) aren't also deserving of induction at some point.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12/5/2017 @ 08:26am

LL Cool J is as much rock as The Beach Boys are/were.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12/5/2017 @ 14:42pm

Ok, that diatribe about being an NPO and needing a CPA... You sound like you believe that the absence of evi evidence of a conspiracy is proof of one. We all wish there was more transparency, but this is drifting toward tinfoil hat territory.

Does it matter how big Kate Bush was on the charts, or how many albums the MC5 sold? It isn't all about sales or America, you know.

Rap is part of rock and roll. Get over it already.

If Gary Richrath defined a new style that got away from the blues, I'd call it grounds to keep REO Speedwagon out of the Hall.

Yeah, it is a little suspect that RATM are nominated, but they do have a legit case. And after the Bert Berns controversy, it is hardly surprising.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/6/2017 @ 00:06am

Paul

I am sure you meant rock and roll and not rock. I will get back to you with a more detailed explanation of why I said what I did. In the mean time would you please look up the following three. It may help in understanding what I plan to say.

Lesley Riddle
Herb Kent
Studio 54

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/6/2017 @ 22:31pm

Phillip

I'll deal with your comments later. In the interim, may I suggest you check out my last comment under American Breed.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/6/2017 @ 22:33pm

Next week we will finally have the great Moody Blues inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It's about time. One of my top 12 favorites in music. My predictions for induction this year are--
Moody Blues
Radiohead
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Bon Jovi should be inducted as some point because they were the first hard rock band to dominate Top 40 radio and the singles charts. The Cars should be there as well. The J. Grills Band does not belong. Nor do the Zombies. Kate Bush was not that successful in America nor influential enough here to merit induction. I like Dire Straits but see them falling short in terms deserving the Rock Hall.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12/6/2017 @ 22:34pm

Next week we will finally have the great Moody Blues inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It's about time. One of my top 12 favorites in music. My predictions for induction this year are--
Moody Blues
Radiohead
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Bon Jovi should be inducted as some point because they were the first hard rock band to dominate Top 40 radio and the singles charts. The Cars should be there as well. The J. Grills Band does not belong. Nor do the Zombies. Kate Bush was not that successful in America nor influential enough here to merit induction. I like Dire Straits but see them falling short in terms deserving the Rock Hall.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12/6/2017 @ 22:34pm

My list of artists that that I feel should be inducted as soon as possible--

The Spinners
Pat Benatar
Chubby Checker
Neil Sedaka
Alice in Chains
The Guess Who
Jethro Tull
Stone Temple Pilots
Foreigner
Emerson Lake and Palmer
Janet Jackson
The Stylistics
Duran Duran
The Scorpions

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12/6/2017 @ 22:53pm

https://www.rockhall.com/class-2018-nominees

FINAL 2018 FAN VOTE RESULTS

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Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 09:56am

Mark,

Good to see you again on here. I agree with some of your predictions. The Moody Blues obviously I agree. I talk soo much about them. Also we both predict Radiohead. I dont get them but its still a Prediction I retain. I think its silly to leave out an act because they wont show up. Also most voters have mailed in their ballots. We also Agree on Eurythmics. I think sooner or later the 80s needs to get more representation. They had impact. I dont think LL Cool J will actually get inducted this year. There was 2 years in a Row. A lot of Voters may give that a rest.

Judas Priest are well deserved. They are a runner up to my predictions. Sister Rosetta Tharpe I predict for Early influence. Rufus were good but I think they will not get enough votes. I predict Nina Simone. A very fine singer in the 60s. I predict the Dire Straits on my list. Their leader Marc Knopfler is a highly respected guitarist for those young and Old. Bon Jovi I feel will be inducted. They were possibly the first Hard rock band to dominate Top 40. I am not sure about that but they had huge impact in the 80s. I also predict the Cars. It would be great to see Rufus as an Inductee but not very likely.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 10:26am

Ben, nice to engage with you again. I believe that you're likely right about Nina Simone being inducted. I nearly included her in my predictions. The reason I see a possibility for Rufus is that I get an impression that some members of the Hall want to induct Chaka Khan, much like Chic and Nile Rodgers. Of course Rodgers made it and the rest of Chic didn't. Can Khan make it in solo? We'll see down the line, if Rufus falls short. Do I necessarily feel Rufus is a slam dunk in terms of deserving enshrinement? Not at all. They were good as you say, but group like The Spinners are far more worthy. Dire Straits are borderline as Hall of Famers in my opinion, but I've always liked them. LL Cool J will make it in sooner or later. He was successful, crossed over with pop hit singles, and is a household name. I think that he has a strong chance this year. Having said all that, it is time for the Hall voters to wake up and induct Pat Benatar!!

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 13:12pm

I'm going to be listening to some Radiohead this week . I bought their album OK Computer last year and listened to part of it. The only song of their's that I have ever really known was Creep, from the early 90's. Whether they show up or not, they will be inducted.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 13:21pm

Mark, your point about Chaka is good, but misses a key point or two. For starters, Nile Rodgers is a founding member of the Foundation, so the resolve to get him in one way or the other was double the strength it would ever be for her. Second, because of his extensive session and producer credits, AME was at least plausible for Nile whereas Performer is the only credible way to recognize Chaka Khan, hopefully twice.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 14:54pm

Philip, I agree with you 100% about Nile Rodgers. His considerable work on the albums of many artists as well as his own definitely brought forth the view that he needed to be in. I was totally unaware that he had any role in the foundation

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 16:07pm

Philip, I agree with you 100% about Nile Rodgers. His considerable work on the albums of many artists as well as his own definitely brought forth the view that he needed to be in. I was totally unaware that he had any role in the Foundation..

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 16:08pm

Just to let you know, I am almost done with my predictions. Meanwhile, if you haven't checked out my personal preferences list, it is up on rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com. FRL didn't retweet my announcement, and that's fine, it's their Twitter feed, and they can retweet what they wish. Just thought I'd let you know I am almost done.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 17:56pm

DMG,

These lists are highly inaccurate. There are also a couple of other sites that have similar lists that also are unreliable. I use Allmusic and Second Hand Songs as a starting point but I also verify. In my research on Steve Goodman I found that a few of the credits for Yellow Coat were actually covers of Yellow Coat written by Screamin Jay Hawkins.

Those 100+ names I list for Steve Goodman came from several months of my research and validation. I didn't take the lazy way out and just pulled names off a site. As a matter of fact I didn't list a couple of names because I could not validate them.

In my opinion MC5 is only being pushed because a Rolling Stone writer gave them a rave review when they just came out. I think they are just covering their butts on a way overrated review.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 18:45pm

Pretty sure the MC5 is being pushed because they are widely regarded as progenitors of punk and were influential a lot of punk acts that followed, but that's just my speculation.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 21:14pm

Claw,

Maybelle Carter
Patsy Cline
Dottie West
Mary Travers
Judy Collins
Patti Labelle
Marilyn McCoo
Melanie
Janis Ian
Emmylou Harris
Pat Benatar

You really think she should be allowed to jump line and step over the backs of these women?

I'm not sure what you hear of Kate Bush but I do hear Melanie's influence on most of their vocal styles.

What break through did she make for women as a singer-songwriter? If anything Kate Bush and those other women owe more to Dottie West and Loretta Lynn who actually broke into singer-songwriter all boy's club.

My problem is with the hall bypassing North American artist in favor of less important British and 80's artist.

at this point in time, until they clean up the mess they made and start nominating artist that should have been inducted decades ago, there are only 3 Brits of significant importance that I feel could be inducted.

Bernie Taupin - where would Elton John be without him

Andy Fraser - a lot of people on here like Paul Rogers but I see his importance. I have however come across Andy Fraser's importance as a bass player quite a bit

The Chieftains - They are very important to the rise of current Celtic music and they are asked to play on several artist records.


Sales do mean something as a general rule of thumb. There are exceptions to all rules. It is the American market that matters. You do know that British Invasion was a marketing scam to break into the American market. It came out later that they were actually artificially inflating sales for Brits to force them on the radio. The Brady Bunch Johnny Bravo episode poked fun at the Brit scam of fainting screaming girls and girls who chased artist and tore off pieces of their clothes. Can you say paid for publicity?


By the way there is a Lithuanian artist I like, Marijonas Mikutavičius and Bovy but I am not going to get delusional and think they have a chance of getting inducted.


Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12/7/2017 @ 22:06pm

Yes, I do believe that Kate Bush should be inducted before most of the artists you have listed, because A) I don't believe in a line, as in I don't believe that artists should be inducted in chronological order, but in order of merit, and B) not all the women listed are potential Hall of Famers, to be honest.

I follow the school of thought (and I know you don't) which considers genres like folk and country (and blues, jazz, gospel, polka) as separate from rock n roll, as these genres existed before rock n roll and had their own, independent development, unlike genres that came after rock n roll, which were developed under the umbrella of rock n roll and were heavily influenced by rock n roll. Therefore, country and folk artists should only be considered if there is a clear connection with rock n roll. I see that connection in Johnny Cash, that walked the line (pun intended) between country and rockabilly. I don't see that in Dottie West.

Kate Bush's influence goes beyond her vocal style, but also in her songwriting skills, the use of elements from different genres, including the exploration of electronic music, that sets her apart from the artists you listed and which are of huge influence to artists like Björk, Fiona Apple or Florence Welch.

What breakthrough did she made as a singer-songwriter, you ask? Well, she shattered a glass ceiling when she was the first female artist to have a #1 hit single on the UK charts with a self-written song.

The American market matters, but it is not the only market that matters, and you are not a minor artist if you don't make it there. The recently deceased Johnny Hallyday has shown that you could sell 100 million records within the Francophone world alone. Robbie Williams probably had a couple of sleepless nights for not becoming a star in the States, but he is selling shows for 10,000s of people from Rio de Janeiro to Tokyo and can only be called a major artist.

The reason I list artists like Björk and Lorde is to show that the American market is not that important to determine which artists are influential, because if you live in Iceland or New Zealand, you are more influenced by the artists that are popular within your country, and that doesn't necessarily follow the Billboard 100. Music is a global phenomenon, and developments happen around the world, not just in the USA.

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 07:58am

Yes, I do believe that Kate Bush should be inducted before most of the artists you have listed, because A) I don't believe in a line, as in I don't believe that artists should be inducted in chronological order, but in order of merit, and B) not all the women listed are potential Hall of Famers, to be honest.

I follow the school of thought (and I know you don't) which considers genres like folk and country (and blues, jazz, gospel, polka) as separate from rock n roll, as these genres existed before rock n roll and had their own, independent development, unlike genres that came after rock n roll, which were developed under the umbrella of rock n roll and were heavily influenced by rock n roll. Therefore, country and folk artists should only be considered if there is a clear connection with rock n roll. I see that connection in Johnny Cash, that walked the line (pun intended) between country and rockabilly. I don't see that in Dottie West.

Kate Bush's influence goes beyond her vocal style, but also in her songwriting skills, the use of elements from different genres, including the exploration of electronic music, that sets her apart from the artists you listed and which are of huge influence to artists like Björk, Fiona Apple or Florence Welch.

What breakthrough did she made as a singer-songwriter, you ask? Well, she shattered a glass ceiling when she was the first female artist to have a #1 hit single on the UK charts with a self-written song.

The American market matters, but it is not the only market that matters, and you are not a minor artist if you don't make it there. The recently deceased Johnny Hallyday has shown that you could sell 100 million records within the Francophone world alone. Robbie Williams probably had a couple of sleepless nights for not becoming a star in the States, but he is selling shows for 10,000s of people from Rio de Janeiro to Tokyo and can only be called a major artist.

The reason I list artists like Björk and Lorde is to show that the American market is not that important to determine which artists are influential, because if you live in Iceland or New Zealand, you are more influenced by the artists that are popular within your country, and that doesn't necessarily follow the Billboard 100. Music is a global phenomenon, and developments happen around the world, not just in the USA.

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 07:58am

Mark,

We do have a lot of similar tastes. The only tune I know from Radiohead is also Creep. I do know they have a whole catalog of albums. In the same way it doesnt matter if I am a fan or not it doesnt matter if they show up or not they will probably be inducted. In contrast to them I love the Moody Blues and I am confident they will be inducted. It looks like there will be some diversity in the 2018 class.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 11:07am

In regards to an absolutely finalised prediction, here's what I think the outcome will be

Sister Rosetta Tharpe gets a secret door induction as an early influence

Inductees - The Moody Blues, Bon Jovi, Radiohead, Nina Simone and The Cars

If six then Dire Straits
If seven then Judas Priest
If eight then Rage Against the Machine

Although I do think it's possible that Eurythmics, Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, The Zombies and MC5 (to the tiniest of extensions) might slip through the cracks but most likely not.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 11:17am

If I had full control of what was going in, it would look something like this

Early influence: Sister Rosetta Tharpe and I'd also give a nod to Ella Fitzgerald as well

Inductees: Radiohead, Nina Simone, Rage Against the Machine, The Moody Blues, Depeche Mode, Judas Priest, MC5 and Kate Bush

Sideman: Billy Preston and Carol Kaye

Non-Performer: Bernie Taupin


Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 11:23am

To The_Claw,
The issue of how much American success should matter has been a point of debate on quite a few message boards related to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I personally feel that having an impact in the U.S.A. is of paramount importance. There are many acts in Britain such as The Jam, Stereophonics, Slade, and Take That that had huge success there but largely fizzled here. Same for groups like April Wine and The Tragically Hip in Canada. Should Hall of Fame voters, most of whom , are American, induct artists who have had minimal to no impact here? I do not believe so. That mean those aren't great artists. But a Hall of Fame should be reserved for those whose impact was considerable. Every good artist cannot be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 12:18pm

Meant to read " That doesn't mean those aren't great artists"

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 12:22pm

Ben,
It is funny how some feel Radiohead won't be inducted because they will not be appearing at the ceremony. The overwhelming majority of Hall voters have already cast their ballots. The general consensus industry wide is that they will make it.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 12:29pm

Nicky Joe,
I agree with you that MC5 should be inducted. They, along with The Stooges were the first punks bands. Rock historians categorize these groups as proto-punk because they consider The Ramones to be the first punk band. And I feel that Sister Rosetta Tharpe, The Moody Blues, and Radiohead are the only sure things for induction this year. Take care.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 12:41pm

Ben,
Also, do you plan on listening to some Radiohead after they make it in? They are considered the most important rock band of the past two decades, with their fans raving about several of their albums. So I'd like to explore Radiohead's most acclaimed stuff in the next few days and weeks. Like we both said, Creep is their only song that we really know. I want to see if their music matches the hype.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 12:53pm

By the way, there should some more folk music representation in the Hall. Peter, Paul and Mary should be there. Same with The Kingston Trio, who had been nearly as big as Elvis in the early 1960's.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 12:59pm

Don't be surprised if a rare induction for an 80's act, The Eurythmics, happens next week. But where's Pat Benatar? Sad!

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 13:04pm

Zusu, don't ever for a moment think that Beatlemania was not real. I was a young kid back then & I can assure you it was a phenomena that was not made up in any way shape or form & will probably never happen again (as young people are much more jaded/sophisticated now).

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 14:56pm

Zusu, don't ever for a moment think that Beatlemania was not real. I was a young kid back then & I can assure you it was a phenomena that was not made up in any way shape or form & will probably never happen again (as young people are much more jaded/sophisticated now).

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 14:56pm

I`m sorry about posting this comment yet again but this will be the very last time that I`ll post this comment I promise
I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I`ve got my fingers crossed that we`ll get a supersized induction class with more inductees than usual (most likely 8) in the Performer category this year because we got such a huge ballot with 19 nominees again and since it`s in Cleveland this year it would be the opportunity to do so this year so I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I`ve got my fingers crossed that we`ll get a supersized induction class with more inductees than usual (most likely 8) in the Performer category this year
here`s my official predictions for the inductees this year which I feel is the most realistic are
Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
The Eurythmics
LL Cool J
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Nina Simone
Early Influence
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
I`m going out on a limb and say that Radiohead still gets voted in this year but they`ll (I`m talking about the Rock Hall) also induct two more acts to make it 8 inductees this year instead of the normal 6 the reason why I`m saying this is because Radiohead aren`t going to be there and I don`t think there`ll be tribute performances for either them or Nina Simone so that`s why I think the Rock Hall will add two more acts to make it 8 inductees this year instead of the normal 6

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 15:14pm

Mark,

I actually started listening to some Radiohead a couple months ago when they were nominated. I listened to samples on I tunes. I listened to most of the samples from OK Computer. You see when nominees are announced I often listen to all of them including to ones I don't know well. I have wanted to also see if their music matches the hype.

I know quite a bit from most of the nominees. The Moody Blues are one of my 10 favorites in music. I own a lot of their albums . I do know a lot from Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits and even the Eurythmics. Nina Simone is an act I recently learned a lot more about following her nomination. I like a lot of jazz but didn't know her a lot. Many years ago I came to know a tune of hers called Wild is the Wind.

I think the great Moody Blues will be a big winner and there will be more of a push for the 80s. I am going to say that maybe the J. Geils Band could go in some time but Not this year. The J. Geils Band does not belong this year. There is plenty of acts that will get way more votes I would say.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 15:26pm

richie- You'll be proven WRONG soon enough (in 5 days), so enough with your misguided, baseless 'they'll induct 8 acts' nonsense already...

Posted by KXB on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 15:47pm

KING,
the reason why that I think they`ll induct 8 this year from the Performer category is because Radiohead aren`t going to be there and I don`t think there`ll be tribute performances for either them or Nina Simone and I definitely don`t think there`ll be one for Sister Rosetta Tharpe either and I also don`t think there`ll be a Non-Performer or Musical Excellence inductee this year either

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 16:00pm

Mark, thanks for responding. I quote this sentence from you, because I think that this is important. “But a Hall of Fame should be reserved for those whose impact was considerable.” It is my point that you don’t need to be big in the USA to have considerable impact, because major developments in rock n roll happen outside the States: think of the developments in the UK that lead to British Invasion, Kraftwerk & krautrock, ska, dub & reggae, the Swedish pop industry. The development of rock n roll is a global phenomenon.

What you may expect from the voters is more of an IS/OUGHT discussion. I assume that they are predominately Americans, but I don’t know for certain. I know that they are not exclusively American, because inductees are also voters, and we know that among the inductees are artists from the UK, Canada, and other countries. What I expect from voters is knowledge of music history and a hunger for good music that takes them beyond the Billboard 100. But with knowledge of music should also come the realization that America is not an isolated country (how much Trump likes to pretend that it is 😉) and that many exciting things are happening beyond the borders. And a museum dedicated to the history and development of rock n roll ought to acknowledge this.

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 17:00pm

KXB,
First, there is no need to attack my son for his comment & that is rude & ignorant to do so. You have every right to your opinions but to cut my son down & to put it in capital letters just shows your character ( or lack of). My son Richie has the right to post his opinions as well. Perhaps you don't like them or agree with them, whatever but he has done nothing to offend you in anyway. Your response & behaviour is nothing short of childish & ignorant so I'll give you some solid advice....If you have NOTHING nice to say kindly keep your comments to yourself. Sites like this wonderful one is not intended as a place to belittle or attack...Grow up...Sorry Ben, but I take great offence for those who attack my son for no valid reason....Thanks Ben..Sheri

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 17:45pm

To The_Claw,

I agree with you that an artist doesn't necessarily have to have a lot of commercial success in America to be Hall of Fame worthy. But they should be fairly influential or innovative to a considerable degree. The Velvet Underground and The Ramones are in the Hall of Fame. Neither sold many records, at least initially. Yet both bands influenced many others over the years. Kraftwerk, the German band who pioneered electronic pop/rock, is considered important by many who felt that they paved the way for electro pop and EDM acts in the USA and elsewhere. They should be seen as worthy of induction. There are a plethora of performers who were huge all over Europe and little known in our homeland. No disrespect to the many great acts who were neither successful nor influential here, but impact in America, in my humble opinion, should be essential for admission to the Hall. But I admire your passion, and thank you for sharing your views. I look forward to communicating with you again.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 20:31pm

richie,

I would not be shocked if there are 7 inductees this year in the Hall. It could be that many performer inductions plus Rosetta Tharpe in the Early Influence category. But I predict 6 regular inductees plus Tharpe. My predictions are the Moody Blues, Radiohead, LL Cool J, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Rufus, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe. You and I agree on five. Like you, I also love this site, and have been visiting it for about 5 years. I only started posting here about 2 months ago. Anyway richie, take care!

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 20:49pm

Zulu,

I have read your posts concerning the worthiness of the current crop of nominees. If you had your way, which artists who are not now in the Rock Hall would you induct? Give us about 10 to 12 acts.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 20:57pm

Sheri,

I think you had a mistype in your comment. You said sorry Ben and. Thanks Ben. I think you just meant Thanks Ben. You were mainly commenting to someone named KXB. I was rather confused on the mention of my name. I think what richie said is fine about 8 inductees. It is always possible. You may have meant the sorry and the tnanks to KXB. richie does what he can and does well with his comments.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 21:02pm

richie,

With all due respect to your hunch, I believe you are mistaken, partially in premise. You state you think that they'll induct more acts to fill up the time that would otherwise be allocated to Radiohead; however, you are making a mistake in assuming that there's some sort of minimum amount of time that the ceremonies have to last. True, they need enough viable footage to turn into a marketable product on HBO; however, if you've paid any attention to the comments and complaints about the ceremonies the past few years (some of those complaints coming from NomComm members themselves), you would know that the exact opposite is often the case. The venue where the ceremony is held wants them to wrap things up, and because of inductees' speeches running rather long, the problem is actually that the events tend to drag on too long, rather than needing to find a way to fill time.

So, with all due respect to your hunch that we'll have a supersized class, it is not connected to any reality of the situation, at least not in the past few years.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 21:05pm

I'm sorry, that last post was addressed to Zuzu, not Zulu.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 21:20pm

Hi Ben, I thought I should clarify why I mentioned your name. I know you run the site & I felt bad because I had to put that person in his place so to speak. I was concerned you might be upset as this site should not be used for purposes like what transpired. I am very respectful when it comes to rules regarding this site & others so I was concerned by fighting back for Richie I may have been somehow respectful. So that is why I apologized to you. Have a wonderful evening...Sheri

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 21:40pm

My pessimistic prediction:

Bon Jovi
The Moody Blues
The Cars
Link Wray
Dire Straits

No inductions in other categories.

richie - I hope you are right!! I do like it when they induct more members. As rock & roll expands, both stylistically and globally, so should the inductions.

Posted by dmg on Friday, 12/8/2017 @ 23:53pm

Re: The 2018 Rock Hall inductees.

Whom did I vote for:

The Moody Blues
Eurythmics
Kate Bush
The Cars
50% of the time- Nina Simone
50% of the time- The Zombies

Who do I think will be inducted:

The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Radiohead
Bon Jovi
The Cars
Eurythmics
Sister Rosetta Tharpe (as an early influence)


If 7
Judas Priest

If 8
Kate Bush, or The Zombies


Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/9/2017 @ 14:39pm

I'm sorry about posting this comment yet again but this will be truly the last time I'll post this comment before the inductees are announced I promise
I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I've got my fingers crossed that we'll get a supersized induction class with more inductees than usual (most likely 8) in the Performer category this year because we got such a huge ballot with 19 nominees again and since it's in Cleveland this year it would be the opportunity to do so this year so I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I've got my fingers crossed that we'll get a supersized induction class with more inductees than usual (most likely 8) in the Performer category this year
here's my official predictions for the inductees this year which I feel is the most realistic are

Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
The Eurythmics
LL Cool J
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Nina Simone

Early Influence
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

but I would also give an outside chance to the following acts (who also have a shot but they are Close but no Cigar and are the Dark Horses and one of these acts could surprise and unexpectedly get voted in this year)

The J. Geils Band
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Link Wray (either as a Performer or as an Early Influence)
The Zombies

I can't wait for the announcement on Wednesday,
I'm so looking forward to it and seeing who'll be enshrined into the Rock Hall this year 3 more days before we know who'll be inducted this year and I just can't wait Have a good night...

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/9/2017 @ 18:17pm

I have already posted my predictions. Unless somebody wants to see them one more time I won't post it again. Judas Priest and the Zombies are runners up to my predictions. Since Bon Jovi is such a sure thing I don't truly expect Priest. They are rather different bands but it is a matter of votes. There are a lot of veteran Voters like Pete Townshend, Elton John and Grace Slick that are extremely unlikely to vote for them. There are a bunch of Heavy rock inductees that will likely vote for Priest plus guys like Eddie Trunk. So Priest is possible. The Zombies could be inducted but due to a stacked list I don't really think so.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/9/2017 @ 18:45pm

Re: The 2018 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame inductees:

These are the artists who I had voted for:

The Moody Blues
Eurythmics
Kate Bush
The Cars
Nina Simone- 50% of the time
The Zombies- 50% of the time

Who would I like to see inducted?

The Moody Blues
The Zombies
Kate Bush
Eurythmics
Sister Rosetta Tharpe (as an early influence)
Nina Simone
Dire Straits
The Cars
Depeche Mode

Who do I expect to be inducted?

The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Eurythmics
The Cars
Bon Jovi
Nina Simone
Sister Rosetta Tharpe (as an early influence)

If 7:

Judas Priest

If 8:

Kate Bush, or The Zombies

If 9:

Dire Straits

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/9/2017 @ 21:15pm

Claw

I personally don't think Johnny Cash was really Rockabilly. I feel that his music from the start was already outlaw.

I also feel that country rock was a fusion of folk, country and rock. During the 70's a large portion of the softer side of rock was a fusion of country, rock, folk and blues. I hear folk and rock elements in Dottie West's music from the 70s on. Look at who she worked with and hung out with: Willie Nelson, Kris Kristofferson, Joe Walsh and Kenny Rogers. Lionel Richie considered her an influence. See what Joe Walsh has to say about her.

https://www.guitarworld.com/features/interview-joe-walsh-discusses-his-career-gear-and-new-album-analog-man

Hitting 1 on the Brit charts isn't a break through. Women were not prevented from being on the charts. Women were prevented from being headliners when Patsy Cline changed that and they were prevented being singer songwriters when Dottie West stood her ground. Eclectic fusion was already huge in the 70s so that might be considered as big as you think.

This is not the 90s or first decade of 2000s so what happens then is not at this point in time.

If you think stepping on those women's backs is okay then you really need to look into how the artist feel about this pushing ahead. In 2007 a lot of voters including Joel Selvin didn't send in their ballots because they didn't feel that the nominees were worthy.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 12/10/2017 @ 07:10am

Sheri,

I am very flattered that you said I run the site. It NOT true though. I am simply an active regular like King, Enig, Philip and others. I am someone who feels everyone should be treated nicely. I like what richie has to say. We will soon know the inductees and How many.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/10/2017 @ 10:19am

I'm sorry about posting this comment yet again but this will really be the last time that I'll post this comment before the inductees are announced I promise

I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I've got my fingers crossed that we'll get a supersized induction class with more inductees than usual (most likely 8) in the Performer category this year because we got such a huge ballot with 19 nominees again and since it's in Cleveland this year it would be the opportunity to do so this year so I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I've got my fingers crossed that we'll get a supersized induction class with more inductees than usual (most likely 8) in the Performer category this year

here's my official predictions for the inductees this year which I feel is the most realistic are

Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
The Eurythmics
LL Cool J
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Nina Simone

Early Influence
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

but I would also give an outside chance to the following acts (who also have a shot but they are Close but no Cigar and they're the Dark Horses and one of these acts could surprise and unexpectedly get voted in this year)

The J. Geils Band
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Link Wray (either as a Performer or as an Early Influence)
The Zombies

I can't wait for the announcement on Wednesday,
I'm so looking forward to it and seeing who'll be enshrined into the Rock Hall this year 3 more days before we know who'll be inducted this year and I just can't wait Have a good day...

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/10/2017 @ 13:02pm

Don't see what Joel Selvin has to do with our discussion. You don't know if "a lot of voters" didn't turn in a ballot. The numbers are never revealed. We only know that a couple of voters have voiced criticism on the ballot, Selvin didn't send it in, and John Bream only voted for one artist. But that was not because they believe in an induction in chronological order (John Bream voted for Madonna, who was eligible that year for the first time), but because they thought that the ballot didn't contain worthy artists. That is more a discussion on what should be considered rock n roll and what isn't (Selvin, for instance, criticized the induction of Miles Davis) and if a Hall of Fame should be small and exclusive or large and inclusive.

By the way, Selvin is probably not a big supporter of an induction of Melanie, Judy Collins, Peter, Paul & Mary or Janis Ian, as he doesn't even consider Joni Mitchell, Jackson Browne and James Taylor worthy of induction, considering them soft and mainstream. This guy is not on your side.

http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/View-Rock-and-Roll-Hall-offers-lackluster-3300991.php

I acknowledge the groundbreaking work that Patsy Cline and Dottie West did... for country music. But what is the connection with the rest of the music business? There were female headliners long before Cline. Billie Holiday sold out Carnegie Hall 10 years before Cline arrived on the scene. And in the early 1960s, it were the women in the Brill Building like Carole King and Ellie Greenwich that broke down the barrier for female songwriters in mainstream music.

I can understand that artists don't like being passed over (don't know if that also goes for folk and country artists, though. Joan Baez made it very clear last year that it never even crossed her mind that she could be inducted). In some (but not all), that is an injustice. But the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame needs to be representative of all styles, genres, scenes and eras that fall within its range. Not nominating more recent acts is not the solution. A Veterans Committee might be.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 12/10/2017 @ 14:01pm

Just wondering: am I the only one to put LL Cool J on my finalized inductee predictions list?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 12/11/2017 @ 01:31am

Jason,
I have LL Cool J in my predictions too along with Bon Jovi The Cars Dire Straits The Eurythmics The Moody Blues Radiohead and Nina Simone plus Sister Rosetta Tharpe as an Early Influence I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I've got my fingers crossed that we'll get a supersized induction class with more inductees than usual (most likely 8) in the Performer category this year because we got such a huge ballot with 19 nominees again and since it's in Cleveland this year it would be the opportunity to do so this year so I just have this hunch/gut feeling and I've got my fingers crossed that we'll get a supersized induction class with more inductees than usual (most likely 8) in the Performer category this year

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/11/2017 @ 01:39am

Ritchie, I just have this hunch/gut feeling that you're going to post your predictions again in about 15 hours even though you promised half a dozen times so far that you wouldn't.

Posted by joker on Monday, 12/11/2017 @ 02:28am

You know what I never did a detailed look at my Predictions for the 2018 inductees.

1. The Moody Blues: Just as it was in 2013 with Rush there is an overwhelming demand for The Moody Blues. They were innovators in 1960's for prog rock. They have several landmark albums. Most notably there is Days of Future Passed released in late 1967 and various other album. The members of Rush should have the honor of inducting them.

Bon Jovi: They were a major arena rock band in the 80s. They were major stars on MTV and toured all over the world. They are the winners of the fan poll.

The Cars: The third time is a charm. They helped bring New wave into the mainstream. They had great impact in the 80s and also toured a lot.

Dire Straits: They were a very talented band of the 80s. They were led by Marc Knopfler who is a highly respected in the music industry.

Eurythmics: Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart are well known in the music industry. They were critics' Favorite in the 80s.

Radiohead: A critics favorite in the 90s. They were one of the most popular acts of the 90s and There has been a 90s choice in the classes of recent years.

Nina Simone: Even though she is known as a Jazz singer she has been highly respected by Rock and pop performers.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/11/2017 @ 08:27am

I was looking at my Spotify profile and was looking at my recently listened to artists, and under each artist the amount of followers was listed. Which got me wondering which of this year's nominees are the most followed and least followed on Spotify. Here is the list in ranked order with most followers to least followers...

1. Radiohead (2,583,175)
2. Bon Jovi (2,227,999)
3. Rage Against the Machine (1,494,972)
4. Depeche Mode (1,162,302)
5. Dire Straits (1,038,664)
6. Nina Simone (836,863)
7. Judas Priest (715,516)
8. LL Cool J (374,097)
9. Eurythmics (312,416)
10. The Cars (250,476)
11. The Moody Blues (190,884)
12. The Zombies (160,910)
13. Kate Bush (133,593)
14. The J. Geils Band (98,677)
15. The Meters (76,017)
16. The MC5 (47,088)
17. Link Wray (27,342)
18. Sister Rosetta Tharpe (25,646)
19. Rufus feat. Chaka Khan (9,166) (Chaka Khan as a solo artist has 279,196 followers)


Obviously Spotify is a platform for younger music fans and listeners, so obviously the more current artists are most likely to be followed (Rihanna I believe is the most followed artist on Spotify with over 15 million followers, myself being one of them). But it's interesting to me how many followers Dire Straits and Nina Simone have. I remember a couple of years ago doing a research project of finding how many followers every "classic rock" had on Spotify and Dire Straits actually finished in the top 5 at the time, much to my shock, although this was before the Beatles and Pink Floyd had joined Spotify I believe. Even still I believe Dire Straits is in the top 10-15 classic acts as far as amount of Spotify followers goes. Pretty interesting stuff.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12/11/2017 @ 08:56am

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. Bon Jovi
02. The Cars
03. Dire Straits
04. The Moody Blues
05. Nina Simone
06. Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12/11/2017 @ 15:58pm

Roy,

Is that your prediction, or do you have some inside scoop?

Posted by Greg P. on Monday, 12/11/2017 @ 17:30pm

So I just want to elaborate further about some of my predictions. I am gambling a bit on Eurythmics. They were loved by critics in the 80s Not by me in fact. Their music was a bit strange but they do have a wide appeal. I know a bunch of their music. I like others in the 80s like Duran Duran and Simple Minds a bit more.

Now with Radiohead. They were a favorite of critics in the 90s. I am Not saying they will get in. Its a good possiblity. It is ridiculous to say that they wont get inducted because they arent showing up. Its possible they are passed over due to lack of Votes. There are lot of veteran Voters that dont get them. I think they will be inducted.

The Moody Blues to me is the ultimate no brainer. There are soo many veteran voters that I am so sure voted for them. The last few years have indicated that Voters want the snubs inducted already.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/11/2017 @ 19:07pm

Final Predictions for the 2018 Class -

Performers -
Bon Jovi
The Cars
Eurythmics
The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Radiohead

Early Influence -
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Non-Performer -
Rick Rubin

Musical Excellence -
The Meters (for their session work)

Would love to Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, MC5, RATM, Rufus/Chaka Khan or LL Cool J inducted this year, but don't think it's gonna happen for any of them. Dire Straits and Judas Priest will probably get lost in the shuffle with the other classic rock acts. Link Wray, The Zombies or The J. Geils Band could be a surprise inductee this year too and wouldn't count any of them out.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 12/11/2017 @ 23:12pm

Jason Voight,

I also predict LL Cool J 's induction along with the Eurythmics, Moody Blues, Rufus, Radiohead, Tharpe, and

Posted by Mark Tesla on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 00:02am

And Judas Priest

Posted by Mark Tesla on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 00:04am

here's my official predictions for the inductees this year which I feel is the most realistic are

Bon Jovi
The Cars
The Eurythmics
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Nina Simone

Early Influence
Sister Rosetta Tharpe

but I would give an outside chance to the following acts (who also have a shot but they are Close but no Cigar and they're the Dark Horses and one of these acts could surprise and unexpectedly get voted in this year)

Dire Straits
The J. Geils Band
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Rage Against The Machine
Link Wray (either as a Performer or as an Early Influence)
The Zombies

I can't wait for the announcement on Wednesday,
I'm so looking forward to it and seeing who'll be enshrined into the Rock Hall this year only 1 more day to go before we know who'll be inducted this year and I just can't wait

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 00:11am

I want to see Sister Rosetta Tharpe inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame in the performer category. It seems to me that many wish to relegate her to the Early Influence slot. To me this diminishes her recognition as an important artist because it appears that people see EI as something lesser. Much attention and debate usually focuses on the performer category and not so much the others. The woman was clearly performing rock and roll and should get the full recognition as an artist and performer that she richly deserves.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 09:07am

Mark,

I have Judas Priest as a runner up. I am not actually predicting them. But if either Eurythmics or Radiohead somehow dont make it I can See Judas Priest. There is a decent amount of Heavy rock voters. After all Ozzy and the other Black Sabbath members as well as Metallica and others would certainly vote for Priest. I guess you also know a lot of the Voting body is the previous inductees. Its hard to say with them

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 10:16am

I'm sorry about posting this comment again but this will be the last time before the inductees are announced tomorrow that I'll post this comment I promise

here's my final official predictions for the inductees this year which I feel is the most realistic are


Bon Jovi
The Cars
The Eurythmics
The Moody Blues
Radiohead
Nina Simone

If 7:

Dire Straits

If 8:

LL Cool J

Early Influence
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Link Wray


but I would also give an outside chance to the following acts (who also have a shot but are Close but no Cigar and they're the Dark Horses and one of these acts could surprise and unexpectedly get voted in this year)

The J. Geils Band
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
The Zombies

I just can't wait for the announcement tomorrow, I'm so looking forward to it and seeing who'll be enshrined into the Rock Hall this year only one more day to go before we'll know who'll be inducted this year and I just can't wait Have a good day...

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 11:27am

Well I've held off long enough on making my picks for this years R&R Hall of Fame so here goes nothing.

Inductees:

Bon Jovi
Radiohead
The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Dire Straits
Eurythmics

Musical Excellence:

The Meters

Early Influence:

Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Link Wray

Rather than predict extra inductees to make up for a Radiohead no-so I think they'll beef up the side categories. Also wouldn't be surprised if they stick a non performer in there but I'm not confident they'll go that route and so didn't predict it.

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 13:13pm

Tom H,
I think you should predict extra inductees to make up for a Radiohead no-show instead of beefing up the side categories I think you should predict The Cars and LL Cool J as 7th and 8th inductees in addition to the six you mentioned (Bon Jovi Dire Straits The Eurythmics The Moody Blues Radiohead and Nina Simone) along with the two Early Influences (Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Link Wray)
I think there'll be two Early Influence inductees this year but I just don't think there'll be a Musical Excellence inductee this year

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 13:41pm

My Rock and Roll of Fame Inductee Predictions:

Bon Jovi
Judas Priest
Nina Simone
Radiohead
The Cars
The Moody Blues


Early Influence:
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Link Wray

Posted by Jennifer on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 15:27pm

My predictions

Bon Jovi
Nina Simone
Eurythemics
Dire Straits
Link Wray
The Moody Blues

Early Influence:

Sister Rosetta Tharpe


Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 15:33pm

I have posted my picks a few times. They are unchanged. I do expect to finally at long last see the Great Moody Blues inducted. Also I expect my other choices like Bon Jovi to come through. Thats it. See everyone after the announcement. I look forward to this. It certainly could get leaked early.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 18:57pm

Same here Ben, I'm sticking it to my list, (which mirrors yours Enig's Donnie's Nick's and Jason's) except Bon Jovi The Cars The Eurythmics The Moody Blues Radiohead and Nina Simone are my top 6 Dire Straits is my pick if they induct 7 LL Cool J is my pick if they induct 8 and Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Link Wray are my picks as Early Influences.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 19:12pm

Ben,

Judas Priest was one of the most important practitioners of heavy metal. They certainly belong in the Hall. I am predicting this year for them but I can say I'm confident. If not this year then very soon. And tomorrow morning we will be celebrating the Moody Blues my friend. About time.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 19:51pm

Can't say I'm confident I meant.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 19:53pm

What are the chances of a midnight Rolling Stone leak? That seems to be the norm with these RNRHOF announcements, which is another bush league HOF move.

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 20:59pm

Mark,

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I am having to deal with some medical issues and it is making it difficult

for me to keep up at this point. Zuzu is what my grandmother called me. Think of It's a Wonderful Life. It is the enduring form of an actual name.

There may be more to Chaka Khan and Rufus than you realize. Just look up Chaka Khan's credits on Allmusic. It's amazing to see the number of artist that want her to add her vocals to their recordings. Add to that the range spanning genres and older and newer artist. I would love to see Rufus make it in but I am not sure if they can get the votes. I wish they would have held off nominating them. They are connected to Chicago artist in rock and garage bands. There have been
recent inductions of artist from Chicago or have spent time here that I think may increase their votes. I think it would help even more if Ides of March, the Buckinghams, REO and Styx were inducted along with artist that have spent time here such as Tommy James and the Guess Who.


I agree with you that folk needs more represention, but I would also add Country as well. It seems these blend in at various times of rock and roll history. I learned several folk songs at day camp when I was little. When I looked the songs up on the internet, I found that most were the Kingston Trio version. I still would not consider them coming anywhere close to Elvis. I have read speculation that if Patsy Cline had not died, she may well have overtaken Elvis. The fact that she is in the Guiness Book of world Records for being the women who had an album that spent the longest on the charts goes to hep support that theory, especially when you consider the album was released about 40 years after her death.

There are also several other folk artist that should be in the hall. I have included the ones I feel should be on my list of artist I feel should be in the hall.

This is my personal opinion and if anybody disagrees, all I can say is nominate them and see what their peers have to say.

I have included people who I feel should be in categories other than performer also.



Carter Family 1st & 2nd generations
Patsy Cline
Peter Paul & Mary
The Kingston Trio
Mary Ford
Bobby Vinton
Paul Anka
Chubby Checker
The Cheiftans
Judy Collins
Tommy James and the Shondells
Herb Kent
The Buckinghams
Ides of March
The Guess Who
BTO
Three Dog Night
Melanie
Grand Funk Railroad
Bernie Taupin
Andy Fraser
Kris Kristofferson
Willie Nelson
Helen Reddy
Waylon Jennings
Mel Tillis
Dottie West
Kenny Rogers and the First Edition
Rufus
Chaka Kahn
Pat Benatar
Dr Hook and the Medicine Show
Emmylou Harris
Steve Goodman
John Prine
Fifth Dimension
Dr Demento
Jimmy Buffett
Jerry Reed

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 21:15pm

Mark

I realized I forgot
gordon Lightfoot
Don McClean
shel silverstein

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 21:21pm

Mark

2 more

REO
Styx

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 21:22pm

Claw

2007 was the one that blew up in their faces for tampering if I recall correctly. Joel Selvin was on the committee. The only reason Jackson Browne is inducted is because his manager heads the nom com and I do like his work and there are several women I would have put before Joni Mitchell. What we see differently is not the issue. He is another one that thinks there are shenanigans going on in the non com. The voting body has members that aren't sending their ballots in because they think the ballots stink!!!

This has nothing to do with sour grapes. How many inductees have declined or spoken out. They are calling for transparency in the whole process.

Having a concert solo does not make one a headliner. When Billie Holiday is on a concert poster with a man she is not first. This is comparable to Patsy Cline in the early 50's. Now look at Patsy Cline's concert posters in the early 60s. Her picture takes up most of the poster and her name is larger then the others on the poster which includes men. Now that is a headliner.

I suggest you check out all the songs Patsy Cline recorded. Since she recorded several Mel Tillis songs I suggest you check out who else did. You also need to look into what outlaw country is and check out what was happening at Dottie West's house in the movie Big Dreams and Broken Hearts: The Dottie West Story.

Now you still haven't come up with anything sufficient that qualifies Kate Bush for being in the hall before women who have contributed more and have been kept on the sidelines far longer than they should have. Your attitude concerning Dottie West and Patsy Cline is exactly why you do not push ahead. This skews the hall in the wrong direction. This is after all the Rock and Roll Hall of fame. The music of the Boomer generation. Minor gen-ex favorites have no business taking precedence major Boomer artists. By the time you get to gen-ex music in the late 70s the level of artist should be reduced and not increased. You should also remember that sales went down in the 80's. Why should artist that cause people to turn away from rock and roll be inducted?

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 23:02pm

Nark
I forgot

David Allen Coe
Janis Ian

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 12/12/2017 @ 23:05pm

"Now you still haven't come up with anything sufficient that qualifies Kate Bush for being in the hall before women who have contributed more and have been kept on the sidelines far longer than they should have. "


Actually, he did. He said that the chronological argument is BS. That "No X before Y" is a fallacy, so is post hoc ergo procter hoc arguments, and all that matters is if Kate Bush is worthy. What makes an artist more worthy than another isn't the passage of time. That's what he's saying in response, and it's honestly a decent response.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 00:56am

Sorry, typo. Should be "post hoc, ergo propter hoc."

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 01:13am

Zulu,

I would have no problem having Styx and Reo Speedwagon in the Hall of Fame. Also Pat Benatar and Foreigner.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 01:29am

Zuzu,

Sorry about that last typo addressing you as Zulu. Anyway I figured your handle was from It's A Wonderful Life. Zuzu's petals! Anyway, many artists that you named should be in the Hall. As far as Country music, early performers should be included,like Patsy Cline, but post 60's Country should be relegated to the Country Music Hall of Fame. Just a few more hours for the magnificent Moody Blues!! I wish you the best for your health issues. Take care and be well!

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 01:47am

I think they'll go with six inductees and one inducted in Early Influence this year.

I don't know how they nominate 19, 20 people and only induct five. Don't make sense.

But here are my final picks (before they announce it this morning):

Bon Jovi
Radiohead
LL Cool J (only because 2Pac's induction made HIS induction chances stronger and his Kennedy Center honor)
Nina Simone
Kate Bush
Moody Blues

If seven, Judas Priest, if eight, Rufus & Chaka Khan.

Sister Rosetta Tharpe will get in as an Early Influence since her greatest years of fame occurred in the pre-rock and roll era (1937-49).

We'll see of course. We know how they can get.

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 03:11am

Problem is...if there's an R&B Nominee and a Rap/Hip-Hop nominee...
The Rap / Hip-Hop nominee always gets IN ....

ALWAYS.

...While the R&B nominee gets SNUBBED.

And that's WRONG .

At what point did R&B (one of Rock and Roll's Founding Fathers ) suddenly become IRRELEVANT...

...While the derivative genre become more IMPORTANT ?
That's like putting the CART before the HORSE !!

The Earth must have shifted on some weird AXIS...

Somebody get Terry Stewart back !!!

And the Veteran's NON COM MEMBERS !!

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 05:01am

Holy crap. Radiohead missed out. I guess the gig in Argentina did make a difference after all.

Aaannndd of course, classic rock continues to dominate the conversation. No surprises there.

Glad to see Nina make it. Glad Sister Rosetta Tharpe is getting the EI induction she deserves. Sad there're only five Performer inductees this year.

I woke up early for this? Goodnight folks.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 07:06am

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Bon Jovi
The Cars
Dire Straits
The Moody Blues
Nina Simone
Sister Rosetta Tharpe


MY FINAL PREDICTION WAS CORRECT

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 07:11am

Roy, you post so many "predictions" that it makes them worthless. Like inflation.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 07:22am

My congratulations to all the inductees, especially The Moody Blues!! The Cars are deserving and a surprise. I'm also surprised that Radiohead did not make it. Ditto LL Cool J.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 09:07am

Of this years inductees The Cars are the only onEs that should've gotten the nod. Truthfully the rest are borderline or not deserving.

Snubs that should be in prior to any of the 2018 honored.

FRANK SINATRA
JOHN COLTRANE
WILLIE NELSON
JOHN DENVER
PATSY CLINE
JIM CROCE
IRON MAIDEN
GLENN MILLER
DOLLY PARTON
JUDAS PRIEST
BAD CO.
DEF LEPPARD
DOOBIES
FOREIGNER
CARPENTERS

(THE CARS--IN THIS SLOT)

JOE COCKER
PAT BENATAR
THE SPINNERS
OZZY (SOLO)
WHITNEY HOUSTON
CURE
WAR
BOSTON
GUESS WHO

(NOW MOODY & DIRE)

sCORPIONS
DICK DALE
LL COOL J
JANET JACKSON
MARIAH CAREY
HANK WILLIAMS JR
DEPECHE MODE
GARTH BROOKS
RAGE AGAINST MACHINE
ALICE IN CHAINS

(NOW MAYBE BON JOVI)

The Hall is the music HOF truthfully. Thus, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Chopin, etc should've been the initial inducted class. Too much "PC" over-thought in selections. above list is the order of how 2019 should go.





Posted by COSMIC COWBOY on Saturday, 01/27/2018 @ 10:14am

COSMIC COWBOY,

I am sorry, but I disagree completely. Although I have been voting for The Cars for several years to be inducted, I also feel that The Moody Blues, the late great Nina Simone and rock and roll pioneer-Sister Rosetta Tharpe deserve induction, as well.

As far as my list of 2019 nominees is concerned, I will never include Janet Jackson. In fact, the inductions to the Songwriter’s Hall Of Fame of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis will hopefully and perhaps mercifully put an end to that. It has always been difficult for me to understand why she had even received a nomination in the first place; in my honest opinion, lip synching and dancing does not a Rock Hall worthy nominee make.


So, although I do agree that some of the classical composers, such as: Beethoven and Mozart and Baroque composers, such as Bach should also be inducted, I would also add Romantic composers such as: Tchaikovsky and Brahms to that list also. However, this is the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, so if you think that it is difficult to induct a prog band, how difficult do you think it would be to induct a classical composer?

Incidentally, I have noticed that although you have included prog adjacent artists like Boston and Foreigner, your list has excluded prog bands. Was this by design, or by mistake?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/27/2018 @ 12:49pm

I feel that the hip hop doesn't belong in the ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME because they have their own hall of fame. 2pac should never be inducted. There are Rock and Roll Artists that should be in the Hall of Fame like George Michael Motley Crue Def Leopard. Jan and Dean Three Dogs Night. There is alot of good singer why don't you build a POP HALL OF FAME BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ANDY GIBB THE CARPENTER'S SHOULD BE IN A PLACE WHERE IN THE FUTURE THEY CAN SEE THAT WE HONORS GREAT MUSICIANS





Posted by Carolyn A Duhon on Thursday, 03/1/2018 @ 03:57am

2019 Nominees:
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
NIN
The Smiths
Judas Priest
Black Flag
Warren Zevon
LL Cool J
Pat Benatar
The Commodores
Duran Duran
Eurthmics
Harry Nilsson
Soundgarden
Beck
Kraftwerk
T Rex
Dr. Dre
Bad Company

Singles:
Born to be Wild - Steppenwolf
Please Mr. Postman - The Marvelettes
Time of the Season - The Zombies
My Guy - Mary Wells
Layla - Derek and the Dominos

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 08/8/2018 @ 14:45pm

Steppenwolf is already on the singles category.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 08/8/2018 @ 14:53pm

I see some of the FRL Regulars are sending their early 2018-2019 Cycle of Nominees 4 RRHOF. Here's my list of 20 August 8, 2018. First Edition.
1.Stevie Nicks & Steve Winwood
2.The Cure
3.Janet Jackson
4.Alice In Chains
5.Def Leppard
6.Bad Company
7.LLCool J
8.Radiohead
9.Nine Inch Nails
10.Bryan Adams
11.Depeche Mode
12.Kool & The Gang
13.Judas Priest
14.Foreigner
15.Social Distortion
16.Beck
17.Rage Against The Machine
18.Rufus/Chaka Khan
19.Procol Harum
20.The Offspring
SINGLES---1.Stand By Me-Ben E. King
2.Turn, Turn, Turn-The Byrds
3.American Woman-The Guess Who
4.Get Together-The Youngbloods
5.Never My Love-The Association
6.Leavin' On A Jet Plane-Peter, Paul & Mary.
Special Awards-Willie Nelson & The Zombies. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 08/8/2018 @ 17:50pm

How the eff is Bryan 'no chance' Adams Hall worthy??? #onnoonesradar

Posted by KXB on Thursday, 08/9/2018 @ 02:25am

@ King

If the nominees will look like what you’ve predicted, then these names would have the best chance to get in.

Def Leppard
Bad Company
Procol Harum
Depeche Mode
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 08/9/2018 @ 11:23am

@ The Dude
You selected who I would probably select as the Inductees. I think Janet Jackson will be inducted. Then, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, and some of those great singers will be nominated. My guess it's Bad Company's year. Many of the 70's bands Chicago, The Cars, Cheap Trick, ELO,KISS,Steve Miller,YES etc have been inducted recently. Should be interesting the Prog choice but I went with Procol Harum. There's usually a surprise and Social Distortion 1 of mine. Mike Ness is very respected as a musician and I know Bruce admires his work. Bryan Adams would be a mild surprise. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 08/9/2018 @ 15:35pm

How about giving 'prog' bands a rest for at least ONE year already! BTW, forget about Procol Harum ever getting in after last year's misguided Singles category...

Also, Bryan 'lyrical cliche' has NO CHANCE, ever!

Posted by KXB on Thursday, 08/9/2018 @ 15:43pm

Bryan 'lyrical cliche' Adams, of course...

Posted by KXB on Thursday, 08/9/2018 @ 19:05pm

I find it absolutely annoying how certain trolls do not like “prog.” I suppose that this is not surprising. After all you certainly have to have more than a minimum level of intelligence to listen to and appreciate music which challenges your mind and your senses. It is much easier overall to support those artists which push the status quo. Thinking must be a bad thing for some people. :-P

No, the induction of “progressive rock” artists will continue unabated. Next, it will be time for Jethro Tull and Duran Duran.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 08/10/2018 @ 09:53am


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