Hawkwind

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Hawkwind has been very influential in both the prog rock and metal scene (even if they arent prog or metal) and have had minor chart success in the past. They definitely deserve to be in the HOF. Will they? No, but they deserve to.

Posted by Brian on Thursday, 09.11.08 @ 17:59pm


Actually they were more of an example of space rock,which was a sub-genre of progressive rock.

Posted by S.R on Saturday, 03.21.09 @ 17:58pm


One of Lemmy Kilmister's first bands. Their brand of fast-paced space rock was very influencial on the punk rock scene. They are a little underrated.

Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 06.17.09 @ 17:07pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZ_Lg21b14

Lemmy must have been hit in the throat with a shovel because his voice sure has changed.

Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 07.8.09 @ 13:56pm


I was just thinking about Hawkwind for a second and I remember A.R. said and I quote, "Nor would Black Sabbath be considered " heavy " I think that title should have gone to Hawkwind.. around LONGER than Sabbath..All of Sabbath's shows were more bluesy than heavy. Hawkwind is 10xs LOUDER than Sabbath, and Heavier"

However says Black Sabbath isn't heavy and a space rock band is, is just out of thier right mind.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 07.19.09 @ 17:16pm


Yeah, I was just checking out the Coven page. My first rule as to a band's influence is simply this...it helps if people have heard of you!! They make it seem like Coven purposely made albums they knew would get recalled...now how much sense does that make? No matter what anyone says to the contrary, artists like to make MONEY!!! Also, with that sort of mindset an artist wouldn't have a recording contract very long.

Maybe the album got recalled because it just wasn't good enough, and wasn't worth the ruckus it was causing. I mean, other artists have overcome that sort of thing....

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 07.19.09 @ 17:29pm


With the resent mention of this band on the Billy Jack band page, people welcome to the Hawk's nest.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 18:25pm


A.R. care to tell everyone how you think Hawkwind(space rock) blows Rainbow and Sabbath out of the water.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 18:27pm


Dudeman.. From the very precious Allmusic site.. when you said that Hawkwind were not metal...
"One of England's longest-enduring heavy metal bands, Hawkwind was formed during the late '60s, just as art-rock was coming into its own. They combined bold guitar, synthesizer, and Mellotron sounds, creating heavy metal music that seemed to cross paths with Chuck Berry and the Moody Blues without sounding like either of them."
and IMO they blow Sabbath AND Rainbow out of the water...

Posted by A.R. on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 18:47pm


Well, they also list Aerosmith as a metal band and on their page fot BTO they refer to them as, "the metal group" and we know that's not right. Hawkwind were a great band, but a space rock band.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 18:57pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw_rvrXQiQ

BBC confirmed it, Simon House himself said that their main influence was on punk, not metal.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 19:01pm


Funny, Allmusic calls Aerosmith " Hard Rock." and referring to "Originally called "Brave Belt," the metal group was comprised of singer/guitarist Bachman," this was of course BEFORE BTO..
I think I am going to go with what I know.. and what Allmusic quoted as..
Their main influence may have been on Punk..however they are a METAL band.. Like MC5 are one of the bands that influenced Punk Rock, The Who had a influence on Punk Rock.. your point??

Posted by A.R.. on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 19:09pm


And Motorhead, is a NWOBHM band.. that also influenced punk rock..

Posted by A.R. on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 19:10pm


Here's the whole quote from Aerosmith's AMG page, "Aerosmith was one of the most popular hard rock bands of the '70s, setting the style and sound of hard rock and heavy metal for the next two decades with their raunchy, bluesy swagger".

Hawkwind played fast, progressive space rock that was influencial to punk, nothing metal about 'em. They're most likely the reason Motorhead had their punk edge in the first place.

The MC5 are a punk rock band, period. The Who albeit not a punk band did help set a blue print for the genre with "My Generation".

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 20:17pm


Yes I am familiar with the Aerosmith entry.. "setting the style and sound of hard rock and heavy metal for the next two decades with their raunchy, bluesy swagger".
Some Metal bands DO cite Aerosmith as a influence, which is what that phrase sums up.. But it does not call them " metal."

MC5 at the time were " Rock and Roll " because the punk Genre nor the Metal genre existed. and they did dabble in Psychedelic rock, and blues based rock.. however ONE of the bands to steer in the punk genre.. because again.. this style of music nor genre existed then.Michigan bands, esp those of the Detroit area took on a grittier more edge that was not seen in other bands at the time.. They were another band shunned by the " Hippies" IN FACT MC5 did a very psychedelic film in 1969.

Posted by A.R. on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 20:30pm


Gitarzan:Yeah, I was just checking out the Coven page. My first rule as to a band's influence is simply this...it helps if people have heard of you!! They make it seem like Coven purposely made albums they knew would get recalled...now how much sense does that make? No matter what anyone says to the contrary, artists like to make MONEY!!! Also, with that sort of mindset an artist wouldn't have a recording contract very long.

Maybe the album got recalled because it just wasn't good enough, and wasn't worth the ruckus it was causing. I mean, other artists have overcome that sort of thing....

A.R.- My reply to this is.. Coven made only 1 album that was pulled and banned. I read that Dudeman said Manson was to blame, if that were the case.. then why was the White Album not pulled and banned? it had more to do with what was going down, than Coven's album.. The record company nor Coven's manager would book them.. They did not know what to do with them..Coven saw NO Connection to the Manson fiasco, regardless.. the album was pulled and banned.. Why? Ask the church's that had letter drives to the company, read by Coven's manager.. that included death threats in those letters..Not a very Christ like thing to do I would say.. They packed up and moved to L.A. with Zappa.. with the release of the Coven II album.. the Record Company ( MGM ) wanted more and more radio hits, because of the effort by Jinx.. and had Coven listed on the single.. And Coven were NOT a top 40 radio band, they had to abandon all the Dark Arts themes from the first album... the Company even removed their faces off the second album. It's simply known as " The White Out " album.. by the time of Blood on the Snow.. and after.. they were in lawsuits.. and did sneak in SOME of the elements from the first album in on that album.........

Posted by A.R. on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 20:44pm


Lets not talk about the Billy Jack band. Getting back to Hawkwind, they were space rock, period. No metal in them.

Lets not get techinal of "well this band can't be this because that term didn't exist until...". The MC5 are a punk band and a pioneering one at that. And it doesn't surpise me they were in a psychedelia film. They were managed by John Sinclair.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 21:05pm


Ya look kinda dumb calling them the " Billy Jack Band " when only 1 member recorded the song.. Jinx.. shows your lack of knowledge.

Dudeman:Getting back to Hawkwind, they were space rock, period. No metal in them.

Funnny several places I have looked, and Several metal books have called them just that.. Metal..
Sources>Dudeman. I take the sources over opinions any day.. because Fact>opinion.

Dudeman:Lets not get techinal of "well this band can't be this because that term didn't exist until...". The MC5 are a punk band and a pioneering one at that. And it doesn't surpise me they were in a psychedelia film. They were managed by John Sinclair.

FACT of the matter is.. they drove in the direction of PUNK.. but were a psychedelic band..Just as many sources cite them as psychedelic.. Laying the foundations for punk does not make them punk.. again The Who were not punk.. but had that direction, David Bowie, not punk, was one of many that laid the foundations.. but were not..

Posted by A.R. on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 21:19pm


And said " Space Rock " would qualify Pink Floyd.. The Beatles music " Flying " from Magical Mystery Tour, The Rolling Stones, "2000 light Years From Home".. And Even Jimi Hendrix.. The Greatful Dead.. Bowie.. So I do not think you want to get into the technicals of this "genre" because it's origins come from the Late 60's psychedelic Scene in England. It's not even really a " Genre " or Category, because it describes the futuristic sound and Image.. I.E. Bowie's Ziggy Stardust album.. with songs like, Moonageday Dream, Starman, Ziggy Stardust, or albums before that.. most notably " Space Oddity."

Posted by A.R. on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 21:31pm


Quote from me on why I call them the Billy Jack band, "And I know it was a solo project, but they will always be known as a the "One Tin Soldier" band. Only fans will remember them for thier albums that went no where, thier Halloween stage show, or thier nods to the occult which had been done before."

Care to speak of some of these sources.

I don't get why The MC5, The Stooges, New York Dolls, etc. are called "protopunk" because they are "punk" period. The Ramones are not year one for punk.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 21:33pm


Hawkwind had "Space rock" on their posters, so by your logic of "an artist can name their own genre" they are a space rock band.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 21:35pm


Space Rock is a term they used to describe their music.. Again, if this were a " category " or real " Genre " the mentioned songs and such above would qualify as " space rock " by definition..

I am not going to do your " research " for you, but here is a book called Sonic Assassins, by Ian Abrahams.. which IS THE ultimate Hawkwind book.. That cites them as Heavy Metal.. as do Allmusic.. and much more.. Google is a easy site to use.. however I do own Sonic Assassins. Also another book.. The Saga of Hawkwind by, Carol Clerk..

Proto by definition means EARLIEST.. indicating the first or earliest or original..
Pretty much the FOUNDATIONS..
Source- Dictionary..

Posted by A.R. on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 21:48pm


To me Hawkwind are in the same category with Pink Floyd, Captain Beyond, Arthur Brown(Kingdom Come era), Gong, etc. space.

There are some book that list the MC5 as a metal band that doesn't make it true.

Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 22:17pm


I see that the members of the Coven page are breaking out into the regular section of the site.


This reminds me of the moment General Zod broke out of the Phantom Zone in "Superman II".


Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 05:36am


Again Space Rock is not a real Genre. It is used to describe the sound and image of a band.. Again, by mentioned songs above, would consider those bands " Space Rock." When going to a record store.. I know several of ours have Hawkwind C.D's.. There is NO Space Rock Section.. they are filed in the " Heavy Metal " section.Even in England.. Hawkwind are known as a " Heavy Metal " band.

MC5 could also be considered a early Heavy Metal band.. by standards.. but more so in the direction of punk... but not " punk"

Posted by A.R. on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 11:00am


"Rocket roll" is a real genre. Space rock is a mix of psychelia and prog. However Simon House's first band, High Tide, are arguably the first progressive metal band.

The MC5 were never a metal band, calling them metal pioneers is like calling Blue Cheer punk pioneers. And by that I mean it has happened, but a majority of people will disagree.

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 12:48pm


And by all means point me in the direction of this " Rocket Roll " in record stores.. And why do I not find any information on this supposed genre? I am pretty sure " Rocket Roll " is nothing like " Space Rock " neither are real genre's. and IF it is a real Genre it would be from the 1980's.

By standards of what was around then, again there were no Heavy Metal, Doom Metal, Black Metal, Punk Rock... none of these genre's and sub genre's existed back then, MC5 by standard are a Rock and Roll band... However they would be considered the PROTOPUNK because they steered in that direction.. Again, David Bowie, is not punk rock, but steered in that direction, The Who, not punk rock but steered in that direction, MC5 would be ONE of the many bands that influenced punk rock as it came about in the mid 70's. ( The Genre and those to follow in the footsteps as presented before )

Posted by A.R. on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 13:44pm


This is coming from someone who thinks "Pagan metal" is a real genre? Space rock doesn't need a section in a record store to prove it exists.

Vincebus Eruptum, 1968 = metal. I call the MC5 just "punk". Calling them "protopunk" is like calling Sabbath "protometal".

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 14:40pm


I think the prefix "proto-" is kind of a sloppy term to use(even though I myself have used it). Like punk for example: when did "protopunk" turn into real "punk". When did protogrunge become grunge? Are the Stooges protopunk or just punk? Are the Ramones protopunk or just punk? Was their a date when one turned into the other? Or with metal. Are Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly, etc. protometal or just metal? Are Malfunkshun The U-men protogrunge or just grunge? When proto became just a genre itself we may never know.

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 14:56pm


FYI Pagan Metal / Folk Metal ( same thing ) is a REAL Genre ( sub Genre ).. Bands like Moonsorrow, Tır, Finntroll, Amorphis, Kampfar.. Just a few are such in that Genre ( Sub Genre ).

Vincebus Eruptum, 1968 = metal. I call the MC5 just "punk". Calling them "protopunk" is like calling Sabbath "protometal".

Vincebus Eruptum is EARLY heavy metal. The term Proto can even be applied to Sabbath. Coven ect ect. Blue Cheer are more Bluesy Rock than metal. but the direction was still there.

When did protogrunge become grunge? Are the Stooges protopunk or just punk? Are the Ramones protopunk or just punk?

Easy. You should be able to figure that out.. The Stooges = protopunk ( earliest it was found ) Ramones Punk Rock.. The Stooges are cited as a influence to Punk Rock. they were one of many bands that headed in that direction, Anything BEFORE the lets say Punk Rock movement was Proto.. same with Grunge, Metal ect ect.

Posted by A.R. on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 15:39pm


And the mention of " Rocket Rock " if it were a real genre or sub genre, it would be listed.. I see no such thing. Nor have any one at the Radio Station I contacted ever heard of it, nor would they even know what to even classify " Rocket Rock. " More than likely, its just a TERM to describe music.. Terms do not = Genre.

Posted by A.R. on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 15:43pm


I actually said "rocket roll", it's just a goof word I found. Space rock is the real term and AMG actually has a page on it.

"You should be able to figure that out.."- A.R.

Rhetorical questions. I see no reason why the Stooges should be called "protopunk" why not just "punk". When a certain genre was founded is debatable.

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 15:53pm


If one uses the TERM " Space Rock " it would apply to any and all songs relating to that.. Space, as per say said page.
From Allmusic " The term space rock was originally coined back in the '70s to describe the cosmic flights of bands like Pink Floyd and Hawkwind. Today, however, space rock refers to a new generation of alternative/indie bands that draw from psychedelic rock, ambient music, and -- more often than not -- experimental and avant-garde influences. Space rock is nearly always slow, hypnotic, and otherworldly; it typically favors lengthy, mind-bending sonic explorations over conventional song structures, and vocals sometimes play second fiddle to the shimmering instrumental textures."

As I said, the songs listed above would apply to the Space Rock Category.

NOW on to this again.. I see no reason why the Stooges should be called "protopunk" why not just "punk". When a certain genre was founded is debatable.

Can we say The Who were punk when they were not? Proto simply refers to what was there before that drove into the direction that became " Punk Rock.
" can we say David Bowie was punk rock? Can we say Alice Cooper was punk Rock? Can we say Lou Reed was Punk Rock? or even Roxy Music? because they are a few of the bands cited as importance to the Punk Genre. Deff. Not.

From Allmusic:
"Protopunk was never a cohesive movement, nor was there a readily identifiable proto-punk sound that made its artists seem related at the time. What ties proto-punk together is a certain provocative sensibility that didn't fit the prevailing counterculture of the time ... It was consciously subversive and fully aware of its outsider status ... In terms of its lasting influence, much proto-punk was primitive and stripped-down, even when it wasn't aggressive, and its production was usually just as unpolished. It also frequently dealt with taboo subject matter, depicting society's grimy underbelly in great detail, and venting alienation that was more intense and personal than ever before."

Posted by A.R. on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 16:09pm


Look, if you REALLY want to establish what sub-genre (a term I HATE) a given artist is, then compare them to group that has set the standard for that "sub-genre"...in other words, LISTEN!!! It's that simple! If you're wondering if Coven or Hawkwind or anyone else is "metal" then listen to them, then listen to say, Pantera, then ask yourself if anything Pantera did comes from the aformentioned groups. I had made a comment a while back that Coven's earlier stuff sounded a bit like Big Brother & the Holding Company, and I'm sticking to that. Why, you may ask? Because I LISTENED to Coven and my musical sense pointed me in that direction. If I listen to Iron Butterfly or Blue Cheer, then I think of the time when "psychedelia" got just a bit harder...THAT'S where I think what we now call metal originated...it's not because someone says so, it's what I HEARD!!! I was trying very hard to teach myself to play at the time, and THAT'S when I noticed a difference. Then came the likes of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc...

Personally, I think Hawkwind should be listened to with a dose of the Pink Fairies, the Groundhogs, and to a degree early Floyd...which all came from that British blues/rock thing in the late 60's/early 70's. You'll find striking similarities...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 18:12pm


Another group I'd have to add as a precursor to "metal" would be Nazareth...if for no other reason than Dan McCafferty's vocals. i've heard the likes of Rob Halford list him as an influence.

Once again, all you have to do is listen to them...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 18:32pm


I kind of see Nazareth as a straightforward hard rock band that may have been influencial to metal, but not metal themselves.

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 19:07pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPiO_G-DEHs

I was reading some comments on Coven's page and someone claimed this obscure '60s noise rock band called Cromagnon invented black metal.

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 19:14pm


Absolutely...thus the word "precursor" (LOL). At that point in time there weren't a lot of voices like McCafferty's out there...

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 19:17pm


Dudeman:I kind of see Nazareth as a straightforward hard rock band that may have been influencial to metal, but not metal themselves.

A.R.- Exactly, the same thing I had been saying about said bands concerning punk.. in that discussion.

Dudeman:I was reading some comments on Coven's page and someone claimed this obscure '60s noise rock band called Cromagnon invented black metal.

A.R. - That would be stretching in hopes of disproving.. Black Metal covers everything against religion, esp that of christianity.. Inverted cross's.. Anti religious lyrics, in support of Occult or satanic themes. Blasphemous imagery.. and lyrics, ect ect..

Gitarzan: Because I LISTENED to Coven and my musical sense pointed me in that direction.

A.R.- I can see that to a extent, must have been the second album you heard, because its more blues and country based. Big Brother and the Holding Company IMO did far better without Janis.

Posted by A.R. on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 19:45pm


Did't you say it yourself that not all black metal bands are against religion. A.R.- "Not ALL Black Metal artists show this disposition." And the christian black metal("unblack metal") acts support this.

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 19:55pm


Replace the "Did't" with "Didn't".

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 20:12pm


The only easy way to do this is, Compare images ( album Covers ) and live or video footage of Black Metal bands to UNblack metal, Some I am familiar with are ( Black Metal ) are Marduk, Dark Funeral, Burzum, 1349, Ancient, Old Mans Child, Gorgoroth, Mayhem,Rotting Christ,Satyricon, and Satanic Warmaster.

Black metal bands attack religion, organized religion, have very blasphemous lyrics and imagery.
Where as UNBlack metal supports Christianity, and the bible. The UN in UNblack speaks for itself. Its NOT Black Metal or what Black Metal represents.

Posted by A.R. on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 21:07pm


The only easy way to do this is, Compare images ( album Covers ) and live or video footage of Black Metal bands to UNblack metal, Some I am familiar with are ( Black Metal ) are Marduk, Dark Funeral, Burzum, 1349, Ancient, Old Mans Child, Gorgoroth, Mayhem,Rotting Christ,Satyricon, and Satanic Warmaster.

Black metal bands attack religion, organized religion, have very blasphemous lyrics and imagery.
Where as UNBlack metal supports Christianity, and the bible. The UN in UNblack speaks for itself. Its NOT Black Metal or what Black Metal represents.

Posted by A.R. on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 21:08pm


I listened to "Caledonia" and it did nothing for me, just as the tracks I heard from Coven didn't do much for me either (Jinx was hot back in the day though.) Back to Hawkwind: "Silver Machine" was definitely quite ballsy and loud for it's time, and I recommend you watch that documentary on You Tube. It's pretty cool. It appears they pioneered some electronic and synth effects, and the strobe lights were quite rare. I checked out some of their actual spacey stuff, and it sounds like little else that was going on. If they weren't the first space-rock band they were definitely one of the first. Also, Lemmy wrote the song "Motorhead" while in Hawkwind, so that means the blueprint for Motorhead's style was laid down by Hawkwind. Yes I do think they should be inducted.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 03.3.10 @ 20:10pm


Lot of influences flowing through Hawkwind. As a brief example...Dave Brock originally played jugband blues, Nik Turner was in to jazz/rock 'n' roll, Lemmy loved stuff like Johnny Kidd & the Pirates, etc-etc. The electronic influence comes from Silver Apples/Floyd/Krautrock, but Hawkwind took things further by using a raw garage sound similar to MC5/Stooges and over-laying it with hot electronics, space-rock was born. They never intended to be a metal band, they are in a category of their own, all very unique, but if you listen to a lot of the stuff from the Space Ritual period you realise just how 'heavy' they were. They were a huge influence on Punk/Dance Music (Trance/Hard House/Hard Trance/Ambient) and no doubt they will be influencing further musical trends well in to the future, defo deserve a place in the Hall of Fame.

Posted by Mandy Witch on Saturday, 03.13.10 @ 18:03pm


Incidentally, Sam mentioned Silver Machine having balls and being loud for the time. John Lydon, a Hawkwind fan, said that this track was the origin of electronic dance music, it also went on to be the Pistol's encore. It's a classic track, a joyful mixture of Johnny and the Hurricanes vs Forbidden Planet, I love it, but it's among many classic tracks they have penned.

Posted by Mandy Witch on Saturday, 03.13.10 @ 18:26pm


Well, yes. Watch the BBC documentary on them on You Tube. They did pioneer new electronic techniques, and may have been the first to use the strobe lights, and I'm pretty sure someone in that documentary said that John Lydon has said that Sex Pistols wouldn't have existed without Hawkwind. Enough said.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 03.14.10 @ 19:28pm


Well, yes. Watch the BBC documentary on them on You Tube. They did pioneer new electronic techniques, and may have been the first to use the strobe lights, and I'm pretty sure someone in that documentary said that John Lydon has said that Sex Pistols wouldn't have existed without Hawkwind. Enough said.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 03.14.10 @ 19:28pm


The strobe light thing is baloney! Heck I was in bands in the early 60's and we had them at shows . We may not have had good PA's but we had strobes often if it was a night gig.. By the mid 60's{65-66} it was as conman as dirt... By 69 it was old hat..

Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 03.14.10 @ 21:29pm


Fine, maybe in the UK but not overall. I stand by the rest of it though.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 03.16.10 @ 20:18pm


Sam
I saw Cream I think it was 67{in Usa Calif/LA} the whole show was strobe and lots of color lighting ... If I am not mistaken they are British..?? Again by the mid 60's it was as common as Dirt even for the limey's

LOL

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 03.16.10 @ 21:07pm


I already said I was wrong about the strobes, obviously. I am right about everything else though.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 03.21.10 @ 21:13pm


Space Rock, Punk and Metal are misnomers. Heavy guitars and poodle perms does not make a group metal and spiky hair and safety pins does not mean they weren't. Being NYC in 1974 or London in 1976 is not the definition of punk, though it's closer to it than Paris 68 or Detroit 69. Space Rock is just a name for sci-fi and space-oriented versions of other genres.

Hawkwind are all the above and more and the quality and originality of the music is important too. I rank them with the Beatles, the Stones, James Brown, Chuck Berry, U2.

Hawkwind virtually invented post-punk. They were art-rock with Bowie, Roxy, and heavily influenced both. They were grunge, space rock, indie, new wave, goth, rave and new romantic. A simultaneous influence on Sex Pistols and Kraftwerk, Oasis and Nirvana.

Hawkwind are superfluous. 13 albums before a repeated track, one cover in 40 years (and that for charity). One of the longest surviving and extremely prolific until 2000.

An important part of 'rock and roll' history but not as well known as they should be. Should definitely be in the RnR Hall of Fame.

Posted by mook on Thursday, 06.10.10 @ 13:54pm


Nicely said, and I agree with the sentiment in it. However:

"Hawkwind virtually invented post-punk."

No one's ever said that. I'll ask around.

"They were art-rock with Bowie, Roxy, and heavily influenced both. They were grunge, space rock, indie, new wave, goth, rave and new romantic. A simultaneous influence on Sex Pistols and Kraftwerk, Oasis and Nirvana."

I know Bowie had a lot of influences since he transcended styles, but I've never heard of him or Roxy being influenced by them. I'll check. I know John Lydon's claimed them as an influence, but are we just assuming that they influenced Kraftwerk because they both did new things with electronics or do you actually know that. There's no musical connection with Oasis or Nirvana... interesting. I'll check.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 06.16.10 @ 19:11pm


Masters of the Universe was their best album.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02.5.11 @ 08:43am


Not necessarily cited influences but similar sounds, styles, and some connections e.g. post punk - Magazine and New order namechecking. The on-line urban dictionary definition of post-punk even mentions Hawkwind.

Then we have HW on heavy rotation on Oasis tour buses and played before gigs, Bowie getting Simon house and living in Ladbroke grove, Eno producing and using HW musicians (ok Roxy connection is not direct). Kraftwerk autobahn logo allegedly designed by Barney bubbles and the song is partly Master of the Universe slowed up 9but KW were krautrock too, though for possible electro influence see this: http://www.erasureinfo.com/features/interviews_03.html).

Hawkwind were invited on the Nirvana tributer album after Kurt died. Accoridng to Courtney all the Seatle bands were into HW, not just mudhoney and Monstermagnet.

Posted by mook on Monday, 02.28.11 @ 19:29pm


Well argued. Cheers.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 03.2.11 @ 03:13am


Some really great discussion on here, I agree that Hawkwind should be in for everything mentioned but they're unlikely to get in anytime soon with the current regime, unfortunately.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 03.17.11 @ 02:59am


Influence: They are a definite influence on Punk and psychedelic rock bands.
Innovaion: Definetly different from many bands around at that time. YES
Commercial: Apart from a few hits, no.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 05.20.11 @ 18:01pm


Influence: hawkwind have been seen as an influence on a few punk and prog acts. 20
Innovation: invented space rock, an admittedly smal lgenre. 15
Commercial: Not really sucessful apart from a short stint in the 70's, but they get themselves a five out of sheer catalogue number. 5
Critical Acclaim: Hawkwind aren't really mentioned muc hanymore but most critics admire their work. 15

55, not really worth inducting.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 10.11.11 @ 13:37pm


Hawkwind played a sound that later split up into punk, metal, and prog. That's why you see all the arguments about their genre, and also why they aren't fully accepted by people who are totally dedicated to one or another of these warring genres. Their commercial success (in terms of making money) was limited to one smash UK hit (Silver Machine) and a string of 'top 40' LPs. But their British fan base has always been strong in the way US Grateful Dead fans were. They more or less created the outdoor festival scene in the UK, playing lots of free gigs and benefits. In terms of who they've influenced, look no farther than John Lydon, who called them the beginning of rave! So how does an innovative band that helps create several important genres and scenes not get into the hall of fame? Oh, maybe the money thing...

Posted by Stephen on Thursday, 11.22.12 @ 10:25am


Hawkwind Guitarist Huw Lloyd-Langton Dead at 61
Rocker succumbs to cancer after two-year battle

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 07:54am


I am very saddened to hear about the recent passing of Lemmy Kilmister, not only was he important to Motörhead, but he was also an important and influential member of Hawkwind. My most sincere condolences to his family and friends. Lemmy will certainly be missed. :-(

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.28.15 @ 23:18pm


Thanks for mentioning that, Enig. His work with Hawkwind tends to get overlooked.

Peaceful journeys, Lemmy.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.28.15 @ 23:34pm


You are very welcome, DarinRG,

Hawkins was #8 on the list of top 10 progressive rock bands in the U.K. Lemmy sang lead vocals on Hawkwind's biggest hit single, 'Silver Machine.'

I wouldn't be surprised if the Hawkwind official site did not mention his passing also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.29.15 @ 02:17am


Hawkwind was eighth on the list of "Top Ten" progressive rock bands in the U.K. Here is that list:

10. Camel
09. King Crimson
08. Hawkwind
07. Rush
06. Emerson Lake & Palmer
05. Yes
04. Jethro Tull
03. The Moody Blues
02. Genesis
01. Pink Floyd

As I had said previously, Lemmy's passing would appear on Hawkwind's official site. His passing is also mentioned on PROG Magazine's site, as well as the Rush is A Band website, to name but a few. :-(

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.29.15 @ 14:21pm


Hawkwind should be in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame.
The first 6 albums alone should qualify them. Especially the 3rd album, Doremi Fasol Latido through the Warrior on the Edge of Time album---4 key albums that are well done. (Warrior was Lemmy's last with the band.) And----not to mention that they are still performing creative space-rock, albeit with various band mates.
If they don't get in, they are still the "underground space kings" in my opinion.

Posted by Sal Robert Pauciello on Monday, 05.30.16 @ 18:05pm


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