The 2019 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were officially announced on Tuesday, October 9th. The induction ceremony will be back in New York on Friday, March 29th. Here are the 15 nominees:



Check out some ballot predictions here.

Keep checking Future Rock Legends for the latest Rock Hall information and follow us on Twitter and Facebook.


Future Rock Legends forecasts which of today's artists will be the next generation's Rock & Roll Hall of Famers by using a combination of historically predictive criteria, user votes, and nomination patterns.

Future Rock Legends lists eligible artists by first year of eligiblity or alphabetically.



Comments

1333 comments so far (post your own)

Makes sense that Depeche Mode got holded back for The Cure.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 08:17am


So glad that Todd, Devo, and Roxy Music finally got the love they deserve.

Posted by Tinky Winky on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 08:22am


garbage Dump Ticket


Only one decent nominee

Say Bubuy to the hall 5 to 7 years and it is gone

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 08:35am


Outstanding list this year. Even a worst case scenario of 5 inductees will still be an impressive group.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 08:35am


Since the nominees are finally revealed, here is my final prediction for the Class of 2019
Percent
Def Leppard: With Bon Jovi now in, these guys are the next hard rock band to get an induction.

Janet Jackson: Female act of the year.

The Cure: I was hoping for Duran Duran to pop up, but the Cars should be the catalyst for New Wave like Rush is for prog at the Hall.

Roxy Music: Was hoping for Jethro Tull, but I guess RM is the next prog band to get an induction.

Radiohead: With no new eligibles on the list, these guys will be the 90’s band of the year.

MC5: So far, the Stooges and Velvet Underground are in, but we need one more band to complete the “Holy Trinity of Proto-Punk.”

Whaddya think?

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 08:41am


First class in a long time where all the nominees are worthy, no throwaway nominations like solo Sting or *shudders* the J. Geils Band.

I'm rooting for Devo, Roxy Music, KRAFTWERK, RATM, and either Janet, The Cure, or Radiohead.

However the inductions will probably be:

Def Leppard
Stevie Nick's
RATM
Radiohead
The Cure
And possibly Janet Jackson, if the Hall would ever let *gasp* TWO women in???

I could also see Radiohead not getting in another year due to bad blood and having one of the repeat nominees (probably The Zombies, Rufus, or MC5) get in instead.

Posted by Tinky Winky on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 08:44am


@Zuzu If you don't like it, don't vote. Simple. Also stop complaining about it.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 08:50am


No Kool & The Gang, no Commodores, no Jethro Tull, no King Crimson, no Foreigner, no Doobie Brothers!

LAMEST BALLOT EVER!

The 2019 inductees

Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
Rufus/Chaka Khan
Roxy Music
The Zombies

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 08:52am


Fauxreigner would've only made this list even lamer...

Posted by Demon Seeding on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 08:56am


Devo
Kraftwerk
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
The Cure

Those are my picks.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 08:58am


Just another mediocre ballot. Only looking at artists they feel comfortable with, following the Rolling Stone “bias”. Lack of women, ethnic minorities (and it’s somehow WORSE than last year in the cultural and gender diversity department) and they’re continuing to avoid inducting anything really all that recent.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 09:12am


Garbage dump ticket

Almost all previously nominated rejects

They are only trying to get garbage in that they know full well does not belong and could not stand up to a challenge.

5 to 7 years say by by hall

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 09:18am


@Zuzu you already said that.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 09:41am


10 members of Rufus nominated
9 members of The Cure nominated
8 members of Roxy Music nominated
7 members of Def Leppard nominated
5 members of The Zombies nominated
5 members of MC5 nominated
5 members of Devo nominated
5 members of Radiohead nominated
4 members of Kraftwerk nominated
4 members of Rage Against The Machine nominated

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 09:51am


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/statistics.php

THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS VOTING STATISTICS

01. Janet Jackson
02. Whitney Houston
03. Devo
04. Jethro Tull
05. Depeche Mode
06. Radiohead
07. Blink-182

WHAT FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS VOTERS GOT RIGHT THIS YEAR?

01. Janet Jackson
02. Devo
03. Radiohead

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 09:59am


Pretty decent ballot in my opinion. I'll be rooting for Radiohead, RATM, The Cure, LL Cool J, and either Roxy, Janet, or Kraftwerk.

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 10:03am


If I had a ballot:

1. Janet Jackson
2. Kraftwerk
3. MC5
4. Radiohead
5. The Cure

Really every other nominee has a legitimate case for induction

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 10:06am


My first ballot I voted for included Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, Radiohead, and the Zombies.

Ranking the nominees in the order of my favorites...

1. Radiohead
2. Janet Jackson
3. Kraftwerk
4. Def Lepaprd
5. Rage Against the Machine
6. Devo
7. Todd Rundgren
8. The Zombies
9. LL Cool J
10. The Cure
11. Rufus feat. Chaka Khan
12. Stevie Nicks
13. The MC5
14. Roxy Music
15. John Prine


My early predictions at who will be inducted...

1. Def Leppard
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Radiohead
4. Janet Jackson
5. Todd Rundgren

If 6

6. The Zombies

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 10:22am


Since Tom Morello is on the committee, he'll vote for at least his own band (Rage Against the Machine) and MC5 (as RATM covered "Kick Out the Jams")

Posted by Tommy Wimmer on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 10:23am


THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

01. The Zombies
02. MC5
03. Kraftwerk
04. Todd Rundgren
05. John Prine

THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ACTS

01. Radiohead
02. Rage Against The Machine
03. LL Cool J
04. Janet Jackson
05. Stevie Nicks

THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR THE REST

01. Roxy Music
02. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
03. Devo
04. The Cure
05. Def Leppard

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 10:25am


THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

01. Kraftwerk
02. Kraftwerk
03. Kraftwerk
04. Kraftwerk
05. Kraftwerk

THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ACTS

01. Kraftwerk
02. Kraftwerk
03. Kraftwerk
04. Kraftwerk
05. Kraftwerk

THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
WHEN VOTING FOR THE REST

01. Kraftwerk
02. Kraftwerk
03. Kraftwerk
04. Kraftwerk
05. Kraftwerk

Posted by Tinky Winky on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 10:30am


THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
ALL SOLO INDUCTEES

01. John Prine
02. Todd Rundgren
03. Stevie Nicks
04. Janet Jackson
05. LL Cool J

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 10:33am


It's a really good list this. We finally got the announcement for the 2019 nominees. I will have to decide on who I predict for Inductees.

WHAT I GOT RIGHT THIS YEAR.

1.The Cure
2.Def Leppard
3.Janet Jackson
4.LL Cool J
5.Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
6.The Zombies

Besides those I am pleased to see Stevie Nicks,John Prine,Roxy Music and Rufus featuring Chaka Khan. I am not a fan of the Cure at all but I see their importance. That is all I will say for now.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 10:45am


Wow, there are only 15 nominees. Even so, the traditional “prog” artists which might be expected are missing. However, I nevertheless had voted for LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren, Stevie Nicks, The Zombies and Roxy Music.

Even though Duran Duran is not on this list; I had easily voted for Roxy Music, instead.

Of course, Fleetwood Mac is my favorite non prog group and Stevie Nicks has long deserved a solo induction.

Once again, I had voted for The Zombies.

I think that the Rock Hall had listened to Cars’ keyboardist Greg Hawkes, since Devo and Todd Rundgren are on this ballot.

I had actually voted for a rap artist- LL Cool J. That takes some getting used to.

Posted by akdxmy@hotmail.com on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 10:50am


Like many others, I’ll never forget the first time I heard John Prine...it was 5 minutes ago on YouTube.

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:06am


No Monkees, no Jan & Dean, no Chubby Checker, no Dionne Warwick, no Willie Nelson, no Carole King, no Tina Turner, no Mary Wells, no Marvelettes, no Spinners

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:08am


I only got 5 right this year on my top 60! 4 if you don't count Chaka Khan solo.

" target="_blank" title="https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ourrockandrollhalloffame71305/download/file.php?id=581[/img]">https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ourrockandrollhalloffame71305/download/file.php?id=581[/img]

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:25am


I was wrong on a whole bunch.

No Bad Company
No Beck
No Blood,Sweat & Tears
No Judy Collins, No Jethro Tull,No Judas Priest and No Spinners. There is 7 of my picks I missed on off the top of my Head. Despite the Poor Health stories No Tina Turner.

Dont misunderstand me. I like the list. I am just noticing what I got wrong. So apparently neither Paul Rodgers or Rob Halford will be singing with their bands this year.

Heyy Listen the Five Satins was worth a shot. It was simply in honor of my Dad. There Link Wray last year. As far as the 60s I did get the Zombies correct.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:29am


If John Prine is on the ballot they better give us 6 or 7 inductees this year.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:34am


The RRHOF Committee made it easy for me this year. Only 15 Nominees. 1.Def Leppard 2. The Cure 3. Stevie Nicks 4. Radiohead 5. Roxy Music. *6. LL Cool J if they go 6. It's possible my The Zombies Musical Excellence pick still in play. Don't understand this ballot because LL Cool J, Janet Jackson, The Zombies, could still be frozen out. Zuzu talked about John Prine before. On this ballot, I would be surprised if Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks were not inducted. Todd Rundgren give those FRL Regulars a hand for picking him on their Nominees ballot. I'd give this ballot a B. No Bad Company, Procol Harum, Depeche Mode, Judas Priest etc. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:36am


Disappointed with this list in coordination with the last 8 or 9. Will go into more detail as I get time, but I will be a minority in appreciating the Def Leppard pick.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:40am


Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones is pushing for Janet, Todd and Radiohead.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:49am


Stevie Nicks is the only one on the ballot who has been inducted before. This will be her second induction, and she will become the first female to be a 2-time Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductee!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:53am


Some more thoughts:

Foreigner's never getting a nomination and thank God! If they ain't getting it NOW, they'll never get it. They're not Journey lol

If it's possible for two female inductees this year, Janet and Stevie are in it. Chaka will have to wait. I think Stevie will win the popular vote on the fan ballot eventually.

I'm still going back and forth over whether they'll actually induct a rapper this year. Between LL and Rage, I guess...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:54am


They might induct Brian Eno twice this year!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 11:57am


I knew there was something I forgot to add: people in the media have been making it clear Radiohead is not a fan of the Hall and won't perform if they're inducted. That's what caused them to not be inductees last time. If Radiohead is snubbed a second time, I wonder if The Cure or the Zombies will be in their place! Something I just thought of.

So instead of the inductee list possibly looking like this:
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren

It could look like this:
Def Leppard
The Cure
Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren

or:
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE. Some folks really think the Hall won't nominate Radiohead again... which would be crazy. Not only them but Dire Straits didn't perform. 2018 was crazy. It made the Sex Pistols look like schoolboys with their dismissal and they wrote a letter cursing them out lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:00pm


Timothy,

That is a different Bill Wyman. He's a writer.

Posted by Greg P. on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:01pm


@Roy,

Doubt it. If Roxy Music fails at an induction, I can see them welcoming ENO through the back door via musical excellence. I also think it's clear Todd Rundgren is more popular than was let on so I think he's one of the shoo-ins now.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:02pm


Robert Hilburn wants John Prine, Stevie Nicks, Kraftwerk, Roxy Music, Radiohead and Rage Against The Machine inducted!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:03pm


@Greg P.

My bad. I read too quickly... didn't go to the actual Twitter's page. Should've known, right? But yeah no musician has said anything, the writers have.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:03pm


Disappointed with this list in coordination with the last 8 or 9. Will go into more detail as I get time, but I will be a minority in appreciating the Def Leppard pick.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 10.9.18 @ 11:40am

------------------------------------------------


I'm right there with you dude. I'm a big Def Leppard fan, always have been.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:09pm


Some preliminary thoughts. Not making a prediction just yet, this could go lots of ways. Two of my snubs finally get nominated for the first time: Roxy Music and Devo. Thst makes me happy.

I'll have to agree with those that have said already that even though I'm not a fan of all of them, all nominees this year have at least a good case to be made.

Stevie Nicks when looking purely at her solo career might be questionable. But she's awesome.

So, prediction will come later. MY ballot will be: Roxy Music, Devo, The Cure, Kraftwerk, Radiohead.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:18pm


@ Tim

I still think Rage is more likely to be inducted on 2020, so they can let Zack and Tom take some shots at Trump for the next presidential campaign. With only fifth-teen nominees, we might get seven inductees next year. But I'm going with six.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:26pm


I'm shocked Outkast didn't get a nom.

Could be a great class, depending upon who get's the call.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:45pm


Seems like The Zombies are the biggest no-brainer from this crop. They are literally the only classic rock band from the sixties and seventies on the ballot.

Solo performers Nicks and Rundgren would have a good shot with classic rock voters. Perhaps not so much for Leopard since they reportedly did terribly last time.

The Cure and Devo and Kraftwerk all draw from the same well whereas Roxy Music predates those three and seem like they have the critical support and respect of their peers to get in on the first try.

Janet's chances are looking pretty good, not sure how LL or Chaka get in over her. Janet will coalesce the support of RandB and rap enthusiasts and spearhead of traditional rock acts, just like Simone and Withers did recently.

Seems like the nominating committee has a lot of people on it peeved about all the classic rock being inducted lately so this ballot acted as a wall to prevent that from happening. My guess is that Radiohead and Roxy and Rundgren and Janet and The Zombies are the inductees. Prime gets in via the backdoor.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:49pm


By "Leppard doing terribly last time" I was instead refering to today's revelation that Priest had like nobody voting for them last year.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 12:59pm


Sorry for any typos. On a cheap tablet in Switzerland.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 13:01pm


This year’s list is rather.....blah.
No early influence.
Lots of repeat nominations.
Only 15 noms
But a few surprises.
Rundgren and John Prine
With only 5 performers these will be the inductees
Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Radiohead
Def Leppard
Zombies
John Prine. Musical Excellence
Nicks, Radiohead, Leppard, Jackson will dominate fan voting.
Zombies will finally be inducted. The HOF committee wants them. They’ve been nominated many times.
Who on the list would I like to see inducted?
Top 3
Zombies
Rundgren
Prine

Sure, the acts on the list are not all my cup of tea, but they all make sense.

Posted by Mark on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 13:03pm


Early Influence will be announced later, Mark.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 13:08pm


They just need to make an executive decision and induct Kraftwerk. The influence is off the charts, but they never will get enough votes.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 13:14pm


Very happy to see The Cure and Kraftwerk on the ballot again. The two biggest snubs IMO.

It's very easy this time, my votes will probably go to:

The Cure
Kraftwerk
Roxy Music
Radiohead
MC5
If 6, then Rufus with Chaka Khan

It's an interesting ballot. Nice to see some motion towards more modern acts. I strongly expect Todd Rundgren to get in via AME. Also I'm a little surprised (and relieved) that neither Bad Company nor The Doobie Brothers got on the ballot, both seemed to be locks during the pre-season.

Posted by MichaelEU on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 13:16pm


Four locks:
Radiohead
Stevie Nicks
Def Leppard
the Zombies

the 5th:
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
RATM
The Cure

Wild left field 6th pick:
Todd Rundgren
John Prine
Kraftwerk
Roxy Music
Rufus & Chaka Khan

Insane 7th:
Devo (rooting for them but given the Hall's track record of sucking, I'm not sure if they'll let up anytime soon)

Posted by Tinky Winky on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 13:20pm


My predictions

Top 5
Radiohead
Janet Jackson
Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
Roxy Music

If 6
The Zombies

If 7
Rage Against the Machine

Could possibly see an induction (not now though)
The Cure
Kraftwerk
MC5
Todd Rundgren

Most likely won't ever see an induction
Devo
John Prine
Rufus with Chaka Khan

My preference from worthiest to least worthy
Roxy Music
Kraftwerk
The Cure
Radiohead
Janet Jackson
Rage Against the Machine
Stevie Nicks

After her, this would be my cut off point since eight feels like too big of an induction pool from a ballot of fifteen if you ask me but continuing on

MC5
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
Def Leppard
Devo
Rufus with Chaka Khan
The Zombies
John Prine - Why is he even here?

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 13:55pm


The only lock on this list is:

John Prine

I do not think anyone understands what this means and the hornets nest the nom com stepped on

John Prine is pure folk. The nom com think of him as country, So see this as a swing to nominating some country artist over the next few years.

John Prine is considered highly influential as a song writer so he is deserving. Despite that he is a cop out pick because the nom com was too chicken to pick Steve Goodman or Jimmy Buffett. Expect pressure to build to have these two nominated. Also expect pressure to build for REO and Styx. It's a black and blue thing that people on here will be in total denial about.

Dezmond I think you hit it on the head about Stevie Nicks. I think Todd Rudgren and Def Leppard are going to get similar reception with the voting body

Snowballs chance in hell

Kraftwerk
MC5
Zombies
LL Cool J

How much money did the Jackson Family pay for jj's nom. I really do not see her get the votes

So who is the garbge dump trying to push in?

My best guess is RATM since Beck was not nominated and they went with a reject.

The one pleasant surprise that I might get out of this mess is that Rufus gets inducted.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 13:58pm


One third of the ballot is crap.

Posted by Mo-Ja'al on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 14:49pm


Well I got nine right:
Def Leppard
Kraftwerk
The Cure
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Radiohead
The Zombies
Rage Against The Machine
Kraftwerk
Todd Rundgren
Out of 17 picks.

I predict:
Radiohead
Stevie Nicks
Def Leppard
LL Cool J
Janet and/or The Zombies

Posted by Zoot Marimba on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 15:13pm


Well, there you go - something Zuzu and I agree on for a change, and that we are seeming to go against the predominant opinion on:
John Prine is a lock.

Accomplished Singer/songwriters do extremely well with the voting body; and Prine is a downright cultural institution as a singer/songwriter.

I don't agree with her disregard for this ballot. I like it. In fact I'm having to make hard choices on a bunch of artists I really like and/or think deserve it even if they aren't my favorite.

Stevie Nicks will dominate the fan vote, Def Leppard will be a strong second - they have already been dominating the vote since the Hall put in the voting kiosk and they are off to strong starts on the early voting today.

There's no way the Hall powers that be will let a class go in without some diversity, so it feels like this needs to be the year for multiple nominees Chaka, LL, or Janet. Or they'll add an honorary inductee to make sure this isn't an exclusively white inductee class. Rage is a diverse band as well, but I've always thought they would need multiple nominations to ever go in because the main voting body tends to slow to accept aggressive and controversial bands.

I love John Prine, thrilled to have him on the list. I love Devo, thrilled to have them on the list. I'm a fan of Stevie Nicks and think she deserves to be the first woman to be a double-inductee. I love Radiohead and voted for the last year.

I like The Cure (bigger fan of their psychedelic droning deep cuts than I am of their pop hits) and think they deserve this. I'm ok with Def Leppard, I liked their early albums; their later more commercial stuff I didn't like as much but I respect how popular they were able to become with that stuff. I like a fair amount of Rufus' music and think the world of Chaka's vocal talents, though they aren't anything I regularly listen to.

I enjoy Rage Against The Machine's pure animal musical attack, but mostly it was just the novelty of the first album when it first came out. The overall rap/metal style wore out its welcome with me almost instantly. I do think Tom Morello is an important evolutionary wizard on guitar that needs to be in the HOF with people like Eddie Van Halen and Jimi Hendrix.

I don't particularly enjoy the music of Kraftwerk or Roxy Music, both tend to bore me quickly; but respect both bands as musical innovators, and the impact and influence they had on bands I do like. I also like some of Brian Eno's solo work.

I respect Todd Rundgren's overall career achievements and have long expected him to get a Musical Excellence award, though I'm fairly indifferent to most of his actual musical output as a musician.

I like MC5 but don't think their career output deserves HOF status. I like The Zombies, and hadn't thought they had enough output to deserve the HOF, but their more rabid supporters are starting to sway me (plus listening to some of their new music from their modern reunion phase is bringing me around as well).
I've grown to kind of enjoy LL Cool J's early albums over the years as I've listened to them due to his multiple nominations.

Janet Jackson's musical approach has probably the least personal appeal for me here, but I know it well since my daughter was a fan, and I'm an advocate for there always being a place for generational icons in; and I've advocated in her favor against many naysayers, despite my personal indifference to her actual sound. I guess I just tend to feel that once you get to be my age, anything the kids want to listen to that I don't like, is probably exactly what they should be listening to!

So, anyway, I *have* to vote for John Prine, and Devo. I just love both too much and would love to see Prine up there while he is still able to perform; It's too late for Bob Casale and Alan Myers of Devo, but not for the other members yet.

As I said, I'm a big supporter of Stevie Nicks getting to be the first woman to get a second induction, so that;s my third vote.

I love Radiohead, but they don't care about this and they have plenty of time to eventually get in.

I'm leaning toward Kraftwerk and Rufus for my other two votes - Kraftwerk for musical innovation and Rufus mostly just to try to make sure they don't wind up being the next Chic perennial type nomination.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 15:23pm


One of the things bugging me is Stevie Nicks. Yes, she is a talent and her contributions to Fleetwood Mac saved the band in the mid 70s. Yes, "Stand Back" and "Edge of Seventeen" are true rock ballads. However, she is not on the plane of Paul McCartney when it comes to staying relevant. I'm not a fan of multiple inductions just for the sake of inducting them (Ringo Starr a couple years back wasn't merited either IMO), but that slot could have gone to Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, or a myriad of other deserving women who have not yet tasted the recognition they deserve. She did open some doors, but far more with Mac than on her own. This is one candidate that will get a lot of hype that I don't see as worthy over others shunned.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 15:51pm


Totally agree on Nicks. She is cool, but not Hallworthy on her solo career. This is irritating when you have someone inducted once, you are supposed ignore that contribution already honored if considering a second induction. Especially true for the ex-Beatles. Since the Beatles were already inducted, they should only been judged on poat-Beatles work for their second induction. Under that criteria, no for Ringo, no for Harrison. Doubtful for Paul, borderline for for John. Under the same argument, no to Stevie Nicks. As much as I love her.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 16:27pm


Totally agree on Nicks. She is cool, but not Hallworthy on her solo career. This is irritating when you have someone inducted once, you are supposed ignore that contribution already honored if considering a second induction. Especially true for the ex-Beatles. Since the Beatles were already inducted, they should only been judged on poat-Beatles work for their second induction. Under that criteria, no for Ringo, no for Harrison. Doubtful for Paul, borderline for for John. Under the same argument, no to Stevie Nicks. As much as I love her.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 16:27pm


I wonder if Irving Azoff made the nomination happened for Stevie Nicks like he did for Bon Jovi; I pretty much see him as the hidden guy on the Nom Com.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 16:54pm


On Stevie Nicks: I'm happy to see Stevie Nicks will be inducted twice soon. She's influenced many singer/songwriter types for 35+ years. Nicks has starred in 2 of the best rock duets in the last 50 years. Stop Dragging My Heart Around with Tom Petty and Leather & Lace with Don Henley. Like Kevin Bacon, you probably could link Stevie Nicks to just about every major artist through recording or touring with that artist in a few moves. Another thing on Stevie. She lost some important music friends in Tom Petty and my guess she knew Glenn Frey Eagles too. Probably could sing a Tom Petty song or give some good stories.
On The Cure: I'd really would enjoy The Cure Induction in 2019. It's going to be difficult on this ballot unless they include a 6th music group. They have earned this nomination. They have a strong catalogue of hits from Boys Don't Cry to Lovesong to Friday, I'm In Love.
On Janet Jackson: Janet might get the votes this time. Her father Joe Jackson died this year nearly 90 years old. He was instrumental in getting the Jackson family to become a success in music. Sounded like he cracked the whip and ran a tight ship. Also, Michael's death 10 year anniversary in 2019. It would appear that Janet could sing a few JJ songs and maybe a Michael song and talk about her father and his influence in her life and music career. Janet would have a compelling story to tell.
DEZMOND: Agree with you on Kraftwerk. The RRHOF has to do something with Kraftwerk. Chic and J. Geils Band. Similar bands who can't get the votes but have multiple nominations. I suggested 1 Nomination=10 votes. Say a group is Nominated 5 times. They would already have 50 votes waiting for next nomination. Eventually, the accumulated nominations and their votes would catapult a group over the Top. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 17:31pm


STEVIE NICKS LIKELY VOTERS FOR HER INDUCTION: The Eagles, The Heartbreakers, Fleetwood Mac (That's 17 votes), Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt, Madonna, Heart, Rod Stewart, etc. I'm probably forgetting some other possible voters. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 18:13pm


My thoughts on this year's nominees:

I correctly predicted 9 of the 15 nominees this year, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, MC5, Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine, Roxy Music and The Zombies.

So happy to see The Cure, Devo, Rufus With Chaka Khan and Todd Rundgren receive nominations too.

Shocked to see Stevie Nicks and John Prine receive nominations.

I think it's pretty wide open this year as far as predictions for inductees, I think that it could be anyone out of the following 9 acts that will become the 5 or 6 inductees this year:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Stevie Nicks
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

As much as I love Devo, John Prine, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan, they don't have much of a chance this year.

Those are my thoughts.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 18:25pm


I see a lot of people writing off RATM. Are they forgetting that not only is Tom Morello a member of the nominating committee, but also has extensive ties to classic rock figures (i.e. Bruce Springsteen) and hip-hop figures alike (many of whom may be more inclined to vote than the grumpy old rockish anyway).

Posted by Tinky Winky on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 18:30pm


@Tinky Winky

I'm not trying to write them off but they're kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. They're political rockers like MC5 and the frontman is a rapper like LL Cool J. All three acts would likely cancel each other out.

Whoever said John may be a lock because they didn't wanna include Buffett, why in the heck would they induct Jimmy Buffett? He may get in. Usually singer-songwriters are not heavy picks but many who are deep in that genre seem to push for their people enough. That said, look for an upset (and some pissed off music lovers) if John gets left behind this year.

I agree with who said a Janet induction would basically cancel LL and Rufus/Chaka out if they're going in that direction so it can possible that there will be two female artists inducted this year. When's the last time that happened (not counting last year because Nina got in as a performer and Sister Rosetta got in as an early influence)?!

Def Leppard now loves the fact they got nominated so they're definitely gonna push for their case. Radiohead won't so I expect them to be snubbed now.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 19:07pm


Am I the only one who’s honestly a little shocked at Devo getting a nomination? I mean to most of the general population they are nothing but a cheesy 80s one-hit wonder. Also I’m a bit surprised that Stevie Nicks is doing so well, I didn’t know she had so many supporters. Rooting for Janet & The Cure

Posted by Christian on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 20:12pm


I'm shocked about Devo too. I guess the Rock Hall needed a WTF nominee and Devo fit that.

My 5 that I want are Def Leppard, Radiohead, Rage, Stevie Nicks and Todd Rudgren. Janet Jackson is my 6th, and John Prine in a supplemental category (Non-performer/Musical Excellence.)

I wouldn't oppose The Cure or Kraftwerk getting in instead of Radiohead or Rage, though.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 20:35pm


Timothy Pernell,

The last time two female artists got inducted was 2013 (Heart and Donna Summer.)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 20:43pm


John Prine. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Say those 2 phrases quickly. LOL

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 20:44pm


@Follower,

Then it's possible they can do it again. With two artists who are alive, that is. Donna had just died when she finally got in.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 21:13pm


@Christian,

I'm stunned they finally got a nomination after all these years. I think they would fit in. Plus they're from Ohio lol

Maybe because I got a bias but they were one of the greatest new wave/techno acts of all time and it's about time for them imho

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 21:24pm


Observations:

In my honest opinion, this is a Critic’s ballot. Overall, it reminds me a great deal of the 2015 Nominating Ballot. The fact that none of the remaining major progressive rock bands had been nominated, is extremely disappointing. Now let’s look over this list and establish how a prog aficionado, such as myself would view this. There is technically only one “prog” band on this list and it is Roxy Music.

01. Roxy Music had been long overdue for a nomination. Rolling Stone Magazine lists 4 of their recordings as being extremely important: “For Your Pleasure,” “Country Life,” “Siren” and “Avalon.” My favorite Roxy Music albums are “Avalon” and “Country Life.” I would have preferred to have seen Duran Duran nominated instead, but Roxy Music is a great alternative.


Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 21:25pm


People seem to forget whose votes actually count. I do not think that the fan vote will show who gets inducted this year.

Dezmond & King

the nom com can not push it too far. They are already going to catch a lot of heat for this ballot. all it would take would be 2 acts to pull whatever they have on loan for display and that would be Elvis and the Beatles. Without them the hall has no legitimacy. The hall depends on them for justification. Neither needs the hall for anything. What do you think would hsppen? How long could the hall survive?

Kraftwerk has no business in the Rock and Roll Hall. Whst influence? They had none on r&r.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 21:37pm


Chuck Yarbrough of Cleveland.com has Todd and Stevie as shoo-ins (or no-brainers), Janet to get inducted for popularity reasons (and it's possible since the Induct Janet site is very big), Def Leppard and Kraftwerk.

https://www.cleveland.com/music/index.ssf/2018/10/todd_rundgren_and_stevie_nicks.html

So some folks are showing up for Kraftwerk. If it's decided to wait for DEVO to get inducted in Cleveland than yeah I can see Kraftwerk getting in.

Don't see many wanting LL Cool J in at all! LOL

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 21:43pm


When I was at the Hall this summer, Stevie Nicks led the fan suggestion ballot at the Hall of Fame itself (not the official fan ballot, but one where you can choose from just about any eligible act in history) by a wide margin. I am sure that many of those who voted for her are casual visitors who might not even know that Fleetwood Mac is in as a group. But she clearly has a strong fan base.

Posted by James K. on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 21:58pm


^ I think Stevie has more fans than you think, James lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 22:04pm


Stevie has fans of Fleetwood Mac primarily. I can literally name 10 other women I'd rather see be the first female Clyde McPhatter clubber than Stevie Nicks.

I'll weigh in further on my blog. Today was the day after a Monday holiday. We got our keisters kicked at work today. I had more certified letters today than I usually see in a week. I'm beat. Catch you all later.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 22:53pm


@Zuzu OK, if YOU could pick the 15 nominees for a hypothetical 2019 vote, who would it be?



P.s. Kraftwerk totally deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame. Extremely underrated, they're the electronic Beatles.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 22:55pm


I wonder if there will be an Aretha tribute at the ceremony (too far ahead, I know) and who would perform. Hopefully Annie Lennox will be one of them, so she can get back on the ballot next year

Posted by Jason Voigt on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 22:59pm


Do they? Then why do the voters reject them?

They are in no way like the Beatles. Are you kidding? The Beatles had a huge impact on r&r. Do not fool yourself into thinking that kraftwerk had any influence whatsoever on r&r.

I gave my predictions. So why ask me this?

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 23:04pm


@Zuzu Also also, David Bowie, Depeche Mode, Gary Numan, Joy Division, New Order, , Bjork, The Cars, Eurythmics, Devo (also deserves to get in), Talking Heads, and Duran Duran have cited Kraftwerk as a major influence. Bowie's song "V-2 Schneider" was inspired by them. Joy Division inspired numerous new wave, goth, and eventually, grunge and nu-metal. They have ton on R&R. People just don't appreciate their music and/or probably inpatient to stick through their songs. They're just like Chubby Checker. Underrated, but important.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 23:11pm


@Zuzu type in "kraftwerk beatles" in Google, you will be surprised. People like radio-friendly fluff, that's why Def Leppard is getting in. If it was up to ME, Bon Jovi would get kicked out of the Hall. He's not influential!! ABBA isn't influential. Dire Straits just got in because of Money For Nothing. N.W.A should have never been considered to get in. I don't even know who Dave Clark Five is. Madonna is'nt rock. But why did they get in?? Because they're soft.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 23:19pm


No, you don't get it, Zuzu thinks Lionel Richie and Jimmy Buffett are rock and roll legends and should get in, guys. He's totally believable. I mean, Kraftwerk, who cares about those guys? It's all about soft rock ballads and margaritas! [/sarcasm] Lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 23:46pm


Thoughts and opinions on this year's crop:

The Cure - This year's British alt-rock legends, beating out Depeche Mode and The Smiths. All of those bands have been deserving, but so far none of them have gotten any traction. Based on the competition, I don't see this year being any different.

Def Leppard - The only nominee this year that I can easily peg as a shoo-in for induction. Leppard is the exact type of band that seems to sweep right into the Hall nowadays, and between the fan ballot and classic rock heads supporting them, they will easily make it in their first try.

Devo - The most pleasant surprise (for me at least) on this year's ballot. I always thought Devo would have to wait until after Kraftwerk got in, before they would even get a sniff at consideration. That said, synth-heavy artists seem to be an afterthought for the Hall. If Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails couldn't get in, how could a band most often dismissed as an '80s one-hit wonder stand a chance.

Janet Jackson - Has deserved to be in from the first time she was nominated. Nothing has changed since then.

Kraftwerk - See what I said about synthesizers above regarding Devo. With Devo and Roxy Music each splitting the votes that could go to Kraftwerk, I can only see one of those artists making the cut, if any of them can. Sadly, I don't think it's going to be Kraftwerk this year.

LL Cool J - Makes sense that LL would be the hip hop nominee this year (or one of them, depending on how you see RAtM), as he's arguably the biggest artist of the genre not in the hall (more influential than Outkast or Snoop Dogg, and with a longer heyday compared to the Fugees). If I had to guess, I think he hasn't made it in yet because at his heart, he's pretty much just a pop artist; he does not hit the same political or social points (like Public Enemy, NWA or Grandmaster Flash) or artistic influence (such as Run DMC, Tupac or the Beasties) as earlier hip hop inductees have. Infortunately, I don't think his chances will improve this year.

The MC5 - I'm surprised they got a nod this year: I'm almost positive Kick Out the Jams will be one of the singles picked if they don't get in. With a stripped down nominee pool, they might finally make it in this year; but it will come down to either them or the Zombies.

Stevie Nicks - I don't understand what she's doing here as a solo artist. She's had some major hits on her own, and she's obviously an icon and influence both in terms of music and style; but none of that is isolated from her work with Fleetwood Mac, for which she was already understandably honored. Not counting the other female artists still looking to be inducted once, Diana Ross and Tina Turner's solo careers, or Joan Jett's work with the Runaways, would be more deserving of a second induction than Ms. Nicks. Hell, I'd argue Grace Slick's work with Starship is nearly as derserving a nod: it was just as successful, and stood out from her earlier work much more than Stevie's solo efforts.

John Prine - This year's beneficiary of the Hall's efforts towards recognizing singer-songwriters. As good as his work might be, the only reason I can see Prine getting a nod over Warren Zevon, Harry Nillsson, Gil Scott-Heron or other songwriters is that he's still around to perform at the ceremony if he gets in. Normally, I'd argue he's a contender for one of the Hall's backdoor induction using the Achievement in Musical Excellence award; but there's likely already someone else taking that slot this year.

Radiohead - Should have got in last year. Maybe the Hall give's them another pass this year, as they're likely not going to start feigning interest in whether they get in or not. But ragging on the Hall didn't hurt KISS or the Sex Pistols; and Radiohead's too big not to get in eventually.

Rage Against the Machine - This year's hip hop pick for fans who hate the genre. It's the only reason I csn think of for why Rage got a nod over other alt-rock heavyweights like Beck, Bjork, Jane's Addiction or any major punk acts. They're worthy of a nomination, even though I personally think their body of work is too slight to fully support them. This seems too much like throwing a bone to Tom Morello; and that makes Rage getting a second nomination so quickly seems kinda suspect.

Roxy Music - It's been a long time coming, but one of the biggest ommissions in the Hall might actually be corrected this year. Eno is arguably the biggest name this year after Def Leppard; but the band's body of work (with and without him) is solid enough to merit full consideration. If there had been more classic rock nominees this year, I'd be worried about their chances; but against the competition, I think they'll likely squeek in.

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - It looks like the Hall is starting to give up on pretending R&B, funk and soul will get votes, as the only artists in those veins are Janet Jackson and Rufus. And out of the two, Janet Jackson has more top-40 pop bonafides to help carry the voters who don't care for disco or 70's soul. Out of the two, Ms. Khan and her colleagues don't stand a chance.

Todd Rundgren - Another long-awaited first-time nominee, and one who will likely get in this year in one shape or form. If he had all of his hits recorded under his name, he'd be a shoo-in; but as he recorded under so many different entities, more of them scoring one or two hits each, he remains a bit problematic. If he doesn't score the votes, I expect the Hall will pull a Nile Rogers and get him in on a technicality, using an Achievement in Musical Excellence backdoor induction.

The Zombies - Again, we have a lighter classic rock slate this year; but given the competition, that still only leaves one slot for a '60s act to get in. The Zombies have the better body of work, and a classic album under their belts; but the MC5 is seen as a harbinger of punk, and therefor more influential. If it goes to either, I'm guessing the Zombies will be left behind.

Who I'd pick:

The Cure
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Who I think will get in:

Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
The MC5
Stevie Nicks
Radiohead
Roxy Music
+ Todd Rundgren as a AME/Non-Performer

Posted by Ian on Tuesday, 10/9/2018 @ 23:58pm


I know two of the ten women Phillip would rather see as Clyde McPhatter Club members are Tina Turner w/out Ike and Carole King as a performer, but the other 8 will have to wait.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 02:04am


Well I got nine right:
Def Leppard
Kraftwerk
The Cure
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Radiohead
The Zombies
Rage Against The Machine
Kraftwerk
Todd Rundgren
Out of 17 picks.

I predict:
Radiohead
Stevie Nicks
Def Leppard
LL Cool J
Janet and/or The Zombies

Posted by Zoot Marimba on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 02:35am


Michael

Do you even know what rock is? Metal is not rock and neither is punk or prog. Listen to it. There are differences. There is more soft rock then hard rock. What you kids call soft rock is actually rock. Why do you think voters said no to Black Sabbath 7 times. Did they even get enough votes on the 8th try? There is no oversight so we do not know. JJ will never come close to Chaka.s level. Go look up her credits on all music. She sang across several genres. All jj did was use sex to sell cheap music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5G9dDqMeVc

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 06:54am


For the record, we inducted Devo in 2010 into our Hall.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 06:57am


I will share some more thoughts. I am disappointed that Jethro Tull were NOT nominated. I guess they may go through what the Moody Blues went thru for a couple years. I should day It wont be as long as that. We will NOT wait another 20 Years for a J Tull nomination.

There is one prog band on the list. Roxy Music is that band. I know the Albums Siren and Avalon. They have featured both Bryan Ferry and Brian Eno in their career.

I'm happy to see Stevie Nicks possibly induducted twice soon. She is an influence on a lot of singer/songwiters for about 37 years. S. Nicks has starred in 2 of the most popular ballads of all time. Those are Stop Dragging my Hear Around and Leather and Lace. Those are with T. Petty and Don Henley respectively. She has toured with soo many artists.

The Cure have the best chance they have ever had due to the 80s trend in the Hall. However, it is going to be difficult on this ballot for the Cure to be inducted due to the Main part of the Voting Body. I mean are Pete Townsend and Eric Burdon vote for the Cure. I would say NOT.

Janet Jackson might get the Votes this time but Probably NOT. While it is true that Joe Jackson passed away in his late 8ps I really am not sure a lot of the Voters care about that.

The RR Hall of Fame has to do something with Kraftwerk and J. Geils Band. Chic whether one likes it or not were taken carr of with the Nile Rodgers induction. I am not sure what solution there is for that.



Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 08:11am


@Zuzu are you serious? OK, Let me copy and paste some words in here...

Heavy metal (or simply metal) is a genre of rock music that developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s, largely in the United Kingdom. With roots in blues rock, psychedelic rock, and acid rock, the bands that created heavy metal developed a thick, massive sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion, extended guitar solos, emphatic beats, and overall loudness. The genre's lyrics and performance styles are sometimes associated with aggression and machismo.



Punk rock (or "punk") is a rock music genre that developed in the mid-1970s in the United States, United Kingdom, and Australia. Rooted in 1960s garage rock and other forms of what is now known as "proto-punk" music, punk rock bands rejected perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock. Punk bands typically produced short or fast-paced songs, with hard-edged melodies and singing styles, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-establishment lyrics. Punk embraces a DIY ethic; many bands self-produce recordings and distribute them through independent record labels and other informal channels.




Also, about 99.9% of the world will tell you that metal and punk IS rock. Are you trying to tell me that Ramones and Metallica isn't rock?

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 09:45am


Michael

No I am not kidding. Quite frankly I do not care what revisionist history site you come up with - it does not change facts. Metal, punk and prog are not rock. They were separate from rock in the record stores. Just as disco was separate from soul and funk.

You also need to learn the truth about disco and the backlash and why the 2nd Brit inv is considered crap.

This is how I can tell when someone is a kid. They are clueless about the 70s and you do not grok certain terms.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 10:05am


By the way, what the heck is garage rock. It sure as hell was not happening in the 60s. We had garage
bands which was the North American response to the brit inv. Some of it was a rejection of what the brits did by the way. Chicago had several garage bands. A few made it to the national charts. So many came out of Chicago probably due to WLS and WCFL. They both gave local garage bands airtime,especially WLS and had a long reach at night. Artist from garage bands went on to rock and not pnuk. Some of these bands transitioned into rock. See Guess Who.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 10:21am


@Zuzu You did not answer my question. Is Ramones and Metallica not rock? Disco is not rock and never will be considered rock. Rufus/Chaka Khan isn't rock, they're funk, so they should'nt even be in. Listen, just because your "60" dosen't mean you automatically assume that all music after the 70's as bad. The 70's had some pretty terrible music, like disco.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 10:22am


@Zuzu here's some garage rock bands: The White Stripes, The Strokes, The Stooges, MC5, Garage also lend into punk and grunge, but you don't care about Nirvana or Dead Kennedys so ignore this part.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 10:27am


I want to know how the hell the ramones got in.

Bad - no

Just not rock and roll

Rock and roll is not a big umbrella term.

There are however artist from other genres that fuse enough elements to be considered.

Did you know that Rufus came out of s garage band?


Just because you are a kid does not mean you can make up any nonsense you want and not get called out on it.

I am here to discuss rock and roll. 'there are other sites to discuss gen me and gen waa I want it now music.

You are aware of artist calling out for oversight?

Guess they do not trust the hall and guess what - neither do I. My generation is fed up. The hall needs to clean up its mess.

For the record it is not my gen that thinks Rufus is discc.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 10:38am


What about

Chubby Checker
Bobby Vinton
Paul Anka
Patsy Cline
Tommy James and the Shondells
Guess Who
Fist Edition
Ides of March
Roberta Flack
Dionne Warwick
BTO
Styx
REO
Willie Nelson
Jimmy Buffett
Steve Goodman
Connie Francis
Dottie West
Waylon Jennings
Mel Tillis
Kris Kristofferson
Melanie
Judy Collins
Janis Ian
Pat Benetar
5th Dimension
Emmylou Harris
Jerry Reed

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 10:52am


@Zuzu OK, just because you're an old person dosen't mean that you can make up nonsense, and YOU don't get called on it, like you saying that punk isn't rock. Ramones got in because they're extremely influential. Besides they were in since 2002, why is it now an issue?

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 10:55am


@Zuzu out of all the people in your list, I only see Pet Benatar deserving in the Rock Hall Of Fame

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 10:57am


Michael

You want to play you little boy games take it somewhere else. Opinion does not trump fact. Just because some moron at rs said it was does not make it so.

The hall is getting called on who they say is getting votes FACT

There is no oversight FACT

If it was not validated then you can not say that they even got in. Influential on r&r? How? With what?

If all you see that is deserving on my list is Pat Benetar and you think that mc5 should even be considered you do not know what r&r is. By the way I know you sre a kid because you flunked the REO test.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 11:22am


Michael,

Here is an alternate View much more up your Alley. The Ramones are very deserving. I own Ramonesmania. I rarely play it but I own it and therefore respect their influence. They generally had very short tuneful songs. Now I also a Best of for the Clash. Also influential. I aint no Punk Rocker. But hey its part of the Rock nRoll legacy.

Thats really the only Punk I can deal with. But I respect those 2 bands to represent Punk. I dont like the voice of Patti Smith but she had impact. My best friend is a huge fan.

Now Prog I like a lot. Most people on here know how much. I love the Moody Blues and also Jethro Tull. I also like Genesis, Pink Floyd, Emerson,Lake and Palmer and Nektar. Ahhh Nektar. Do you like Nektar Enig? Nektar willl never ever be nominated So they have NOT come up. Alll of the Prog acts are certainly Rock.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 11:40am


I'm having a very hard time not outright laughing at some of the comments spewed about how metal and punk and prog are not rock. The RRHOF is what it is. It will be criticized by everyone for something, but it has decided that almost every genre, which HAS evolved from old rock and roll, belongs in the Hall of Fame. I really don't see how everything must rest on teeny bop and AM rock from the 60s and 70s in lieu of Iron Maiden or Jethro Tull. Frankly, I don't know what Zuzu's motive is other than to spew doom and gloom because her fan-centric view of what constitutes good music to her is the only thing she feels belongs in the HOF. There are a million casual uninformed people out there who sound the same way. On this message board, I would expect there to be some give and take about stuff, not outright "my way or the highway" rhetoric.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 11:46am


Ben you are not a Boomer. you are gen x. You think Journey is an 80s band despite the fact that they formed in the early 70s. This is why you say prog is rock but you are wrong. To start with some of the bands that are called prog were in the rock section. The only bands that I remember being in the prog section were King Crimson, Genesis and Kansas. Kansas crossed over with Point of No Return. Prog did not dominate the 70s. Rock did and it was not hard rock and it was not the Brits.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 11:54am


K-Dawg calling metal and punk is not only laughable but revisionist history. It is getting old. The hall is getting called on who they are trying to put in by the way.

Sorry but accepting lies and revisionist history is not give and take. I would expect people to want to know the truth and not over up lies. you need to see what the artist say instead of passing your uninformed opinion off as fact.

Maybe when r&r artist start pulling items on loan, then you kids will have to wake up to reality. house of pei is going down. laugh now but when it happens remember that you were warned.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 12:05pm


62 Nominees

59 Men
3 Women

56 Whites
6 Blacks

1 White Woman
2 Black Women

55 White Men
4 Black Men

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 12:12pm


I also Can understand Old Metal as a genre. I am NOT a huge Metal fan. The Metal I do like is 1972-1990. So we all know thats the Old era of Metal. I am actually sorry that Judas Priest was NOT nominated again. The heaviest band nominated is Def Leppard. I like the Lep better anyway personally. Long ago in the 80s I saw some Metal shows. I saw Twisted Sister and Ratt. Those wouldnt fit badly in the Hall. There is also the Scorpions. I never saw them in concert but they are deserving. I am NOT a Big Metal guy. I know and like some. 2 others worth mentioning are Queensryche and Whitesnake. I am NOT running home for Old 80s Metal. Inam still playing music tributes to my Dad from the 1940s and 50s which is a whole other ballpark. See ya later.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 12:13pm


One could argue Rage is harder, but they are steeped in so many genres, it is a crapshoot. Def Leppard is definitely the most traditional heavy band that would suit the "Rock Rules" 80s hair guy though ;) I agree with your sentiment that you can't pigeonhole anything though, Ben. Enjoy your dad's oldies

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 12:29pm


Ben

I have a doctor's appointment soon. If I feel up to it maybe we can talk later.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 12:33pm


My predictions:

Def Leppard
Radiohead
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
The Zombies

If Six
Rage Against The Machine

Posted by Evan on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 12:58pm


“I'm having a very hard time not outright laughing at some of the comments spewed about how metal and punk and prog are not rock.”

Here’s something most guys like you don’t know about prog music: Like bules, country and R&B, prog has been around long before rock music. Go check out some of the jazzy big bands from the 40’s.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 13:18pm


67 Nominees

64 Men
3 Women

60 Whites
7 Blacks

59 White Men
5 Black Men

1 White Woman
2 Black Women

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 13:19pm


Timothy
I've been thinking about your list and I think you should receive the point for Rufus/Chaka. It was after Oct 1 but some days before the actual Nominees list was announced. Early thoughts. I think Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks are close to locks. I've already posted earlier on who might vote for Stevie Nicks. Def Leppard will get plenty of votes from... AC/DC, Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, Guns n Roses, KISS, Van Halen, etc. Radiohead should be inducted but I don't know. My guess Janet Jackson or LL Cool J will be inducted. That would open it up with the female R&B and pop singers and for the Rap. Say LL Cool J was inducted, it would be interesting where they would go with Rap. KID ROCK is still in play as a jack of all trades down the road. Roxy Music interests me if they will be inducted. It's strange the committee still hammering MC5 and The Zombies. They should look at Procol Harum, Tommy James, or The Guess Who from that era. I'm surprised Quicksilver Messenger Service has not been nominated when the SF scene has a few bands inducted from that scene. Most of the people from that time will say QMS were brilliant musicians and incredible concerts. DEVO I don't think will do better than Depeche Mode or The Smiths did. Depeche Mode has checked just about every box and still not inducted. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 14:20pm


I am staying clear of any controversial talk. I was shopping at record stores in 1978,1979. I have lived in New York my whole life. There was NO special prog section here in New York. So Emerson, Lake and Palmer was filed alphabetically after the Eagles. That just did NOT happen in New York. I shopped at Record World in Rego Park, NY a lot. Those Prog comments were meant for Enig. I am Gen X person. But I like a lot of Baby Boomer acts. The earliest acts I love are the Beatles,Rolling Stones,the Who,Bob Dylan and Simon & Garfunkel. There is alll kinds of Rock that dominated the 1970s. Yes and Emerson,Lake and Palmer were prevelant but also for sure acts like the Grateful Dead,the Allman Brothers Band and Chicago.

I can agree that the 70s was NOT dominated by Hard Rock. I do NOT understand about it not being the Brits. I love both British and American acts. My favorite group is the Who. But I also love the Allman Brothers Band. Thats it on this. I am still mourning the loss of my Dad. He wasnt into Rock of the 70s at all. That ends this topic.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 14:58pm


King,

I dig your posts of the last couple days. We agree on a lot of stuff with this ballot. I am NOT a fan of the Cure at all but I can understand an induction. As you said it is difficult with this ballot. I posed the question would Pete Townsend,Eric Clapton and lets say Steve Tyler vote for the Cure. Probably not. Those 3 are typical of a lot of the Voters.

Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks are close to locks. I am not so sure about Janet Jackson. She already failed twice due to lack of votes. The same 3 Rock icons above would NOT want to Vote for her at all. I highly doubt it. I am trying to figure out my predictions for Inductees. I got 2 decided with Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks. I will only predict 5 in the class. Hey it was 5 last year with 19 nominees. 7 inductees you can just forget about it. My Dad said that a lot.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 15:18pm


Ben,

I think you should predict 5 plus 1 additional pick as a backup sixth inductee just in case if there are six inductees this year.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 15:33pm


@Zuzu Jimmy Buffett? Please tell me you're joking. He's not influential. Tell me what qualifies him for Rock and Roll, because he dosen't fit in it. Also, what's the REO test?? I want to fill that one out. Also also, who's REO Speedwagon. Instead of insulting me, how about actually telling me some valid information about them and why I should think they should be in the Hall Of Fame.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 15:38pm


Anyone who thinks that the way a particular record store in the 70s divvied up their inventory of records as being the arbitrator on what is and is not 'rock' is completely insane, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 15:50pm


A Halloween-themed class out of these 15:

The Cure
Stevie Nicks
Radiohead
The Zombies
Devo

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 16:08pm


@Paul in KY If anything, SHE's a part of "gen waa i want it now." She keeps on complaining about how sacred REO Speedwagon and Jimmy Buffett isn't in. Hypocrisy.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 16:25pm


Ben

You are younger so when you think of think of the 70s it is the tail end with shock jocks and the start of the 2nd Brit inv. I think of the early to mid 70s more. AM still dominated. This was the era of:
Chicago
Guess Who
Three Dog Night
Grand Funk
BTO
Melanie
CCR
Judy Collins
CSN
James Taylor


With a few exceptions prog was not played. BS was not played on a lot of stations. At this point in time the only access to hearing rock for some rural areas was through evening am top 40 stations at night. I remember my dad trying to get me to understand that there were people who had never seen an African American. Elton John is the only Brit I remember getting regular airtime. The Beatles still got more airtime than all the Brits combined. That was due mainly to Beatles weekends. Nobody else had that.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 18:08pm


Paul

Where did you get the idea that it was a particular record store. If you do not get it try asking instead of coming up with a condescending ignorant remark about something you know nothing about. If you want the facts it was all record stores and departments. It was the standard.

Michael

My Gen waited more than 20+ years for a Chicago nom. One year past eligibility and all I from the kids is waa it is the biggest snub. Sure it is - Then what is Chubby Checker, an actual rock and roll icon. The bleating is ridiculous hence gen Waa I want it now. My gen is gen I am mad as hell and I am not going to take this anymore.

Go look at Jimmy Buffett. I am not the only one to notice an increase in him being noticed.

REO you just parrot the propaganda. Try looking at what people who actually play an instrument say. Something similar was said about Chicago.

Why should I trust you? Do you really want to know the truth about Disco, the disco fallout and the scrambling by record companies? Do not forget the 80s had a significant drop in record sales and it was not due to who you are saying. I am not going to waste my time if all you are doing is digging to throw some poorly concocted insult at me.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 18:33pm


@Zuzu

The Nominating Committee

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

1290 Avenue of the Americas

New York, NY 10104


There, go complain and write a letter to them about REO Slowwagon and Margarita Guy.


Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 18:41pm


A decent ballot. Janet as one of the biggest R&B stars of the 80's-90's should be a safe bet as should Radiohead, sadly the latter may see one of the other "alt" nominations (The Cure, Kraftwerk) passed up which would be a shame as both are massively deserving and in Kraftwerk's case, long overdue.

However, there is one glaring error of judgment here, and that's the nomination of Stevie Nicks. Stevie is a wonderful songwriter, and her work in Fleetwood Mac is impeccable - however, her work in Fleetwood shouldn't enter into the equation because it's already covered by their induction! Taken solely on the merits of her solo career she is far and away the least deserving of the 15 nominations.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 18:44pm


Michael

Sounds like you are saying you are too lazy to look up REO.

I also look like you couldn't even bother to look what has been said under Jimmy Buffett.

You do know that the last of the Boomers will be retiring soon. You will most likely see more and more online now that they have some free time.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 18:58pm


@Zuzu for Jimmy Buffett, I only saw that Toby Keith, Garth Brooks, and Blake Shelton was inspired by him. I actually saw a lot of controversy about him. Apparently he was busted a couple of times for drugs. For REO Speedwagon, I saw absolutely nothing, i guess their one of those bands that has a couple of good songs, like Devo.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 19:19pm


Alright everyrtbody. Here it is my predictions for the 2019 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
John Prine
Roxy Music
The Zombies

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 19:31pm


Ben,

Joel Peresman said last year that they induct 5 as a regular thing now unless the votes are close, so I think you should pick one more act as a backup sixth inductee just in case if there are six inductees this year, Thanks and Have a great night...

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 19:45pm


I wasn't only one to notice that Jimmy Buffett has been getting attention lately. Did you know that last year Huey Lewis opened for him. Look also at who he is connected to.

Look more closely at Gary Richrath. I was not referring to big names but you really are not trying to look. Notice how those that are old enough to remember speak entirely differently about REO than the kids who only go by what propaganda they hear. The exact same thing happened for Chicago, Just remember Chicago got in on their first nom. I noticed that what I saw happening to Steve Miller before his nom is happening to REO. It is the only reason I put them bef0re Styx which is the next logical choice and in terms of influence makes more sense. Add to that they I remember them from the old neighbor hood before they became famous backing.

In the long run there is really one thing to look at when figuring out if they will get in. That is do they have the respect of their peers. Look at what those that can vote or people that are in their circle have to say about the artist in question. When I did for Leonard Cohen it made complete sense why he got the votes. The same is true for John Prine.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 20:18pm


I come here for the entertainment.
Duran Duran is prog...
Heavy metal and punk didn't evolve from rock...
...but, John Prine is somehow rock enough for the RNRHOF. You can't make this stuff up. I love it. Carry on.

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 20:58pm


I gotta admit, I'm on the fence about whether or not to predict John Prine. He's the type of singer/songwriter the Hall loves to induct... but he's even more obscure than Laura Nyro. He's more of a insider secret than Los Lobos or Big Star. Plus, the singer/songwriters that have been inducted mostly have at least that one song that they are instantly linked to and people identify them by. James Taylor, "Fire And Rain;" Cat Stevens, "Peace Train;" Randy Newman, either "Short People" or "I Love L.A.;" Joni Mitchell, "Big Yellow Taxi;" Joan Baez, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down;" Leonard Cohen, "Hallelujah." John Prine, ...??? Right now, I'm thinking he's gonna be another Laura Nyro: if they keep at it, he'll get in around the third nomination, but probably not the first.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 21:23pm


Stevie Nicks' solo nomination is not necessarily surprising, but certainly unnecessary. The massive fan poll support for her is frustrating as well, I wonder how many of those are confusing her stellar work with Fleetwood Mac (which is already inducted) with her solo works.

Oh well, more questionable things have happened, and am bracing for an induction, but I would trade her for Carole King or Pat Benatar any day.

Posted by Paul K. on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 21:36pm


Phillip, it's the 'Paradise' song. Other artists & bluegrass/country fans also love it.

Wonderful & poignant song, but that shouldn't get you in the Hall. John should be in the Bluegrass HOF, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 21:37pm


Michael, I just wouldn't engage her. Waste of time.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 21:38pm


Okay Paul, I binged on John yesterday on Spotify, but I don't remember if I heard that one. My favorites were about the American flag decal and Let's Talk Dirty In Hawaiian.

If I'm not mistaken though, the C&W HoF requires a certain level of commercial success, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that Prine's sales don't even reach that bar, even standing on tip-toe and trying to poke it with the middle finger. Not sure if there is a Bluegrass HoF (probably is) or what their requirements would be (are).

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 22:02pm


Paul

John Prine is known for writing Angel From Montgomery. It was a hit for Bonnie Raitt.

More of your bully squads antics. You and your bunch just can't deal with the truth.

John Prine is a folk singer that was taken under the wing of the outlaws along with Steve Goodman.


Early the song he is known for is Sam Stone.

Many consider his song writing to be an influence. He is often mentioned with Bruce Spingsteen and I often get the impression they consider John Prine the stronger influence.

He is considered for the hall because like Steve Goodman, his songs blend elements of folk, rock,country and blues.

Bonnie Raitt was inducted into the Blues Hall of Fame.


Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 22:17pm


John Prine is a good choice as a nominee and deserves induction.
Large body of work and influence.

Posted by Mark on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 22:40pm


I have to say this is one of the more interesting mixed group of candidates in a while. You have 3 acts that should have already been inducted. LL Cool J, MC5, and Kraftwerk. And then a punch of acts insuring yet again this will not be the year for them. Not because they are better qualified but instead because of their weight as names on the ballot.


My guess for induction:
1) Stevie Nick's
2) John Prine
3) Def Leppard
4) Radiohead
5) The Zombies

Who it should be
1) Kraftwerk
2) Rufus
3) LL Cool J
4) MC5
5) Janet Jacksson

Every name here deserves their nod. There are a number of already inducted acts that should have gone in far after this whole group was enshrined.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10/10/2018 @ 23:34pm


First of all, I have to say I love this site, and Thanks to All who make it happen. Now, for the nominees, I believe Judas Priest should go in before Def Lepperd, but I understand that bands don't usually get nominated 2 years in arrow. So Def Lepp gets in for being the most "Rock" band, albiet commercial, in the list, riding their once huge popularity blast. Next I like Roxy Music for their innovative and influential creativity, where so many bands who came after were inspired by them. Throw Kraftwerk in there for basically the same reasoning, and pretty much creating and fulfilling an entire new genre of experimental, electro- pop music. So Kraftwerk, Yes. Myself, I prefer Tangerine Dream and Shadowfax(new age?). I love that Devo gets nominated, but still a little early for them. How about a Gary Numan nomination? He is still putting out great and creative work. 3 in, afew to go. Much as I hate to declare, but I feel Janet Jackson gets in, to satisfy the female, R&B aspect and diversity of artists, which happens every year. Plus she was just too hugely popular. Personally, I think Pat Benatar should already be in, before Joan Jett, Janet J. or Stevie Nicks. Stevie is Great, absolutely, and deserving, but not before Pat. Her dominance in the Rock world of women should not be denied. Maybe ask Ann and Nancy on Pat's continuing snub. Does anybody think it may be because of her band not being popular? Pat is not a solo artist.. So #4 for 2019 goes to Janet Jackson. As much as I like The Cure, they have a shot, but I think The Smiths should probably go in before them, and both bands should go in before Radiohead. John Prine has certainly put out some excellent music, and his first album is fantastic and timeless, but I don't know. So, I am going out on a limb and going really old school for The Zombies at #5. I know they were a major impact at the time and put out some great and groundbreaking music, plus being highly influential. So #5 for The Zombies, although my favorite pick from that time period would be Steppenwolf, I believe they got nominated last year. Now being The Zombies are not a major, commercially favorable act, this would warrant a 6th entry. It is a bit early for Rage, and I can't go Stevie, Radiohead, The Cure, Devo, for previous reasons stated. So I am going to throw out there the MC5, for the Raw and raucous rage of the revolutionary rock spectacle that they were. The intensity broke ground for punk and hardcore. So either MC5 at #6, or if not them, maybe fan favorite, The Cure, gets in, as they are loved by many, and are well deserving. So, bending the rules here a little, but I am predicting 6 total. Def Lepperd, Roxy Music, Kraftwerk, The Zombies, MC5, Janet Jackson, and for the wild card, maybe The Cure, or extreme long shot and personal favorite, DEVO..

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 01:36am


This is the toughest ballot for me to nail down in quite a few years. Stevie Nicks is the only solid No for me. It's going to be fun watching the least credible nominee win the ridiculous fan vote this year.

Radiohead and the Cure should've been first ballot inductees and there is absolutely no valid excuse to pass on either of them again.

Def Leppard and Janet Jackson are no go zones for me in terms of personal enjoyment, but are both iconic acts of their era.

Kraftwerk, Roxy Music and MC5 are all comically overdue for their depth of influence and importance.

I didn't see John Prine coming, but I'm absolutely thrilled, both for him on his own merits and to see the Country/Americana corner of the neighborhood get a rare nod of acknowledgement.

The Zombies, Devo, Todd Rundgren, Rage Against the Machine, LL Cool J and Rufus are all solid candidates who I like just fine and I completely understand any support for them, they just don't excite me personally as much as some of the others.

My prediction: Whatever the most bland, boring, safe combination of acts possible is, I have full faith that the voting committee will find it.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 01:55am


Rock Hall CEO Greg Harris and His Minions are not even TRYING to give the ILLUSION that they want R&B Artists in the Hall.

It's really sad that talent,influence,historical importance, and even record sales mean nothing to them if the artist's skin color is the "wrong" one.
First, the voters take great pains to snub them, and now, the Non Com doesn't even BOTHER putting them on the ballot. I can see where this scenario is going. Can't you ?
The number of African-American nominees is getting LOWER each year. The number of INDUCTEES even less.
The LAST R&B group actually inducted by the Voting Body was LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS.
And THAT was in 2009.

********** NINE YEARS AGO !!!**********

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 03:19am


Bill G,

I do wonder why Boyz II Men has never even gotten a mention among the 90s artists

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 03:35am


Phillip,

I'm in the same boat with you concerning John Prine. That's a name that came out of nowhere. I honestly don't think he'll have enough votes to get in. If they wanted to induct another singer-songwriter, why not Carly? Why is she never brought up by the committee? Who nominated Prine?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 04:01am


Classic Rock,

It's amazing, ain't it? John is not a rocker in the traditional sense but Def Leppard shouldn't be in? I'm beginning to think some folks are trolls here lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 04:02am


"Bill G,

I do wonder why Boyz II Men has never even gotten a mention among the 90s artists"

Posted by K-Dawg

It's just a part of the snubbing of R&B Artists in general. Don't expect this trend to change any time soon. R&B is being phased out in favor of Rap and Rock.
Not "Rock and Roll".

"ROCK".

Too bad Terry Stewart won't come back as CEO. He is BADLY NEEDED now.
Any time that artists like JANET JACKSON, THE MARVELETTES , MARY WELLS , THE SPINNERS,and WAR can't get inducted, something is seriously WRONG at the Executive Level .

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 04:16am


Ian,

I LOVE your lists!!! And I love your descriptions of each act. Can't argue with what you said there though some here are very passionate about those you dismissed.

I still think there are gonna be a bunch of angry folks here if John Prine is snubbed this year. I just don't see him getting in, I'm sorry. He has as much chance as Rufus does!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 04:35am


Very excited to see Devo nominated. Also I know he was probably never going to be included but it would have been nice to have Josh Freese included as a member for induction. I mean he's been Devo's drummer for the last 12 years but on top of that just consider every other band he's been a part of or done session work for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Freese_discography

I feel like he deserves some sort of recognition and Devo is probably his best shot. Whatever though. Just happy Devo got nominated.

Posted by Dan on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 07:29am


My predictions for this year's inductees:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Stevie Nicks
The Zombies
Todd Rundgren (Musical Excellence)

As much as I love Radiohead, I think that their apathy towards the Hall will keep them out again this year.

As far as Roxy Music, I think that they're going to be hurt by the fact they were more popular overseas than they were in America, and as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't mean an automatic induction, plus, they might be too British for American voters, if Kate Bush and The Smiths couldn't get in, then I doubt Roxy Music can despite Brian Eno's many connections in the music industry and their massive influence.

As for other acts (Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan). they don't have much of a chance this year, so I don't think it's their year sadly.

I don't understand why John Prine got nominated, Yes, he's a great singer/songwriter, but IMO, he doesn't deserve induction, for me, I think his spot should have gone to either Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton or Garth Brooks IMO, besides he's probably too obscure (much like Los Lobos) to ever get inducted anyway.

Those are my thoughts.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 11:27am


richie,

I have always found it weird that they haven't enshrined Willie Nelson by now. He does make more sense than Prine, by sheer career statistics Nelson is a legend that can take out nearly everyone. In fact one of the only other songwriters on his level you bring up in Parton. I don't know if the Hall knows how to handle an act quite like Parton.

I expected them to have Cline pushed in the same way they did Wanda Jackson. However with Nina Simone finding a spot, Cline may actually get in with the performers. I am still waiting on Conway Twitty to make a second appearance.

Bill G.,

"JANET JACKSON, THE MARVELETTES , MARY WELLS , THE SPINNERS,and WAR "

That is what I call a stellar induction class.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 12:26pm


Bill G.,

"JANET JACKSON, THE MARVELETTES , MARY WELLS , THE SPINNERS,and WAR "

That is what I call a stellar induction class.

Posted by Chris F.

Nice thought, Chris. But it'll NEVER HAPPEN.

I'm not even looking for an all R&B class. I just want some semblance of equality and diversity
...of an organization that want's to honor ALL BRANCHES of Rock and Roll. (not just RAWK)...Rock and Roll .
If they'd just increase the inductees from FIVE to SEVEN per year, and make TWO of them R&B acts, I'd be happy.
But, purposely SHUTTING OUT ALL BLACK ACTS, SMACKS OF RACISM...and is leaving out many deserving and influential artists out in the COLD...and THAT'S WRONG !!

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 13:11pm


I'm predicting:
Stevie Nicks
Def Leppard
Roxy Music
John Prine
Todd Rundgren
Janet Jackson (they will extend out to six inductees to avoid the bad press of having an all white induction class)

I think this year's honorary inductees will be non-performers - industry executives and/or band manager type of inductees.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 13:18pm


It seems that nearly everyone is in agreement on Stevie Nick's here. That will make her the first female member of the currently all male Clyde McPhatter club. What other female acts would everyone consider potential future members? It does not have to be in the next few classes, but artists that do deserve a look.


Already in once:

1) Tina Turner - Obviously with Ike she created some of the most iconic records of her career. However the global superstar she is today only came about through her astounding post 1980 career. Stevie can be first, but Turner is more deserving.

2) Diana Ross - As part of The Supremes she was the obvious front woman. Some have argued she was the least vocally gifted of the group, but none can deny she was the personality of it. After the group that personality allowed her to become one of the dominant charting acts of the 1970s and 1980s. As a solo act she has a discography that matches many acts already in.

3) Gladys Knight - Highly unlikely? Yes. However Gladys has always been at the top of her game as a vocalist. Certain acts have received induction on purely talent alone. I doubt it would happen, especially considering Knight doesn't have a solo catalogue that compares to the 2 women mentioned above. I do list her here because of her potential, because even without The Pips she still has that voice.

4) Mavis Staples - Yes Staples influence largely comes from her work with The Staples Singers. Nevertheless she is an artist's type of artist and beloved by just about everyone in the Hall. Her work within the last 15 years has showcased a true collobaritive artist willing to take chances and play with her sound.

5) Tina Weymouth - I understand how weird this one could come across. I doubt outside of the Talking Heads work anyone even pays attention to Weymouth's career. I don't see her going in as a performer, no matter how good the Tom Tom Club was. I merely wanted to point out that a second induction in the Sidemen category wouldn't be outrageous. Probably the single most underrated bassist in history. No chance, but a fun artist to bring up.

Janis Joplin could make her way in with Big Brother and the Holding Company if the Hall gave them an outright induction as a group. I would see them more as an addition to her nomination, a Famous Flames style fix.

Artists not yet in:

1) Chaka Khan - One of the odd snubs so far by the Hall. How they induct Rufus will be key. Rufus, without the added featuring or & Chaka Khan, inducted first could leave room for a Khan solo induction years down the road. Her solo career after leaving the group is noteworthy and large enough to warrant an induction. Yet if they are inducted as Chaka Khan & Rufus I think most would agree she will be considered completely covered.

2) Cher - Like Khan it would how the Hall includes her (or even when). Cher's solo career is what makes her iconic. I would find it more likely that Sonny be left out of the nomination than for the Hall to bring him in with her.

3) Kim Deal - The Pixies should be an already inducted act. Deal however managed to make a career with The Breeders outside of her initial group. Unlikely as can be, but you never know.

4) Patti Labelle - A voice the Hall should already be nominating, Patti has had a long career in various ways. Starting out in the girl group sound with the Bluebelles, then switching the name to LaBelle to make their mark in the 1970s, only to emerge as a successful R&B artist on her own for the next decade. Most likely a one time inductee, and hopefully with Labelle mates Nona Hendryx and Sarah Dash included.

Not yet eligible:

1) Beyonce - As a solo act, a sure bet. If Destiny's Child breaks in as a group then certainly a double inductee. The Hall may have to show they are willing with letting in TLC and En Vogue first.

I know some are left field, and most are unlikely. Just thought it would be an interesting topic with Stevie finally(most likely) busting down that door for the females of the genre. It does make me wonder what Christine McVie is thinking right now.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 13:57pm


https://people.com/tv/les-moonves-tried-to-destroy-janet-jackson-career-super-bowl-2004-report/

********THE DOUBLE STANDARD-PART ONE***********
From PEOPLE MAGAZINE:
LES MOONVES TRIED TO DESTROY JANET JACKSON'S CAREER After Super Bowl Mishap, Report Alleges

Les Moonves, the CEO and chairman of CBS, allegedly sought to ruin the career of Janet Jackson following her now-infamous “wardrobe malfunction” at the 2004 Super Bowl halftime show, which aired on the network, according to a new report from the Huffington Post.
Several sources claimed to the outlet that Moonves — who was recently accused of sexual misconduct by six women — allegedly took specific steps to limit Jackson’s future album sales and prevented her from attending the 2004 Grammy Awards because she didn’t apologize to him enough.

During the Super Bowl halftime show on Feb. 1 of that year, Justin Timberlake ripped off a piece of Jackson’s bustier onstage and her breast was exposed on live television for roughly half a second.
CBS and its production partner MTV — both owned by Viacom at the time — received a $550,000 fine from the FCC as a result, and Moonves reportedly became obsessed with Jackson’s career for years afterward.
The network declined to comment to PEOPLE on the Huffington Post report. Neither Jackson’s reps nor Timberlake’s reps immediately responded to PEOPLE’s request for comment. The Recording Academy also did not immediately return a request for comment.
Despite Jackson, 52, and Timberlake, 37, both asserting that only a piece of red lace was supposed to be revealed, sources told the Huffington Post that Moonves allegedly believed the pair wanted to strike up controversy, and in response he reportedly banned them both from the Grammys, which would air on CBS the next week. But Timberlake ended up attending and performing allegedly because he cried as he apologized to Moonves, sources told the outlet.

SO...THE SAME LES MOONVES WHO TRIED TO DESTROY
JANET'S CAREER FOR "NIPPLEGATE" HAS HIMSELF BEEN RECENTLY ACCUSED OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT BY SIX WOMEN
Wouldn't you call THIS a clear case of "DOUBLE STANDARD ?"
THIS INCIDENT IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST FACTOR IN JANET JACKSON'S FAILURE TO SECURE AN INDUCTION INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME !!!
ALL SPARKED BY A MAN WHO HAS ALLEGEDLY DONE FAR WORSE!! AND JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE has suffered no damage at all...having since been invited to perform on The Super Bowl Halftime show since....while Janet has NOT.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 14:23pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsTQtGSIUgk

4) "Patti Labelle - A voice the Hall should already be nominating, Patti has had a long career in various ways. Starting out in the girl group sound with the Bluebelles, then switching the name to LaBelle to make their mark in the 1970s, only to emerge as a successful R&B artist on her own for the next decade. Most likely a one time inductee, and hopefully with Labelle mates Nona Hendryx and Sarah Dash included."

Posted by Chris F.

I agree,Chris. With ONE ADDITION:
CINDY BIRDSONG.

Cindy was the FOURTH ORIGINAL MEMBER of THE BLUEBELLES...right along with Patti, Sarah, and Nona, as you can see by this 1965 live performance at Brooklyn's FOX THEATRE. (See the above link).
Cindy was SNUBBED from induction with THE SUPREMES because MARY WILSON only wanted the 3 ORIGINAL Supremes inducted. (Cindy replaced Original Supreme FLORENCE BALLARD).


Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 14:49pm


Good posts by the FRL Regulars! Here's an early KING Top 6 plus Todd Rundgren Musical Excellence.
1. DEF LEPPARD. One of my FAV all time groups. Hysteria and Pyromania diamond selling albums. 40 years in the business. They paid their dues in concerts and longevity. Great Songs: Bringin'On The Heartbreak, Foolin', Photograph, Rock Of Ages. Classics in my book.
2. JANET JACKSON. It seems like her time is here. JANET lost her father Mr. Jackson recently and this will be Michael's 10 year death anniversary 2019. Probably the success of Control, Rhythm Nation, and Janet puts her over the Top. JANET also checks off the boxes for woman and a person of color. The RRHOF has gotten some static for choosing and inducting too many white male artists.
3. LL COOL J. He's 50 now and this would be a great birthday present. LL turns 51 in January. He's 1 of raps 1st big stars and a trailblazer in many ways. Mama Said Knock You Out was a gigantic hit. I think it's his time.
4. STEVIE NICKS. Closest thing to a lock here. A respected singer and songwriter, Stevie will get votes from all over the spectrum of voters. Fleetwood Mac, The Heartbreakers, The Eagles, Linda R, etc. I like Stand Back, Edge Of Seventeen, and Stop Dragging My Heart Around.
5.THE ZOMBIES. The Hall wants the Zombies in and created a ballot so they can be inducted. Not much competition in their time frame of the 60's. Everybody knows their big hits She's Not There, Time Of The Season etc. The Zombies Greatest Hits that I bought shows there are also gems not many know about.
6. RADIOHEAD. I struggled with this because Radiohead late 40's early 50's age. Some voters might want to put in some longer waiting acts like Todd Rundgren or The Zombies. Still Radiohead is one of the most influential and innovative groups around. I personally favor the heavier guitar work in Pablo Honey, The Bends, and OK Computer.
7. Todd Rundgren (Musical Excellence) Mr. Rundgren will get in no matter what this year as an outright inductee or in this Musical Excellence Award. He's had a diverse music career as an artist, producer, you name it.
I'd really like to see The Cure inducted but Depeche Mode, The Smiths, Nine Inch Nails haven't earned induction. However, 1 of these groups will eventually break the logjam. This is a very strong class of Inductees. I know Roy will probably list his different possible Inductees. You can't go wrong with any possible 5 plus a 6th. Wish Willie Nelson was here. He's getting old now. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 14:50pm


Bill shame on you

#metoo is serious. This trashy family needs to be called out. If somebody did something similar with black lives matter you would be screaming bloody murder.

This blackballing is total bs. The family let CBS do a special on Michael/ Now you seriously want people to believe they would do that i she was being blackballed.

You want to see what blackballing looks like then go look at what Bill Cosby did to 16 year old Janis Ian.

You sound off about War who had only 1 decent son, Spill The Wine. Lowrider and Cisco Kid were not exactly hall level quality.

When was the last time a country artist was nominated and inducted. Go look at who covered Mel Tillis. He is the one who wrote Detroit City.

I would have come out and said she has a snoball's chance in hell in getting inducted and rightly so.
What held me back is that there is no oversight and it is possible that they will fudge the figures because of bribe money from the Jackson Family.

What needs to be be talked about is how Stevie Nicks does not increase the number of white women in the hall. The demographic that is actually the least represented. Maybe you actually agree with your bully squad buddy, the one who wants to throw white women under the bus in order to garbage dump a black guy just because hip hop and rap artist consider him an influence. YOU LIE DOWN WITH DOGS YOU GET FLEAS111

JJ DOES NOT DESERVE SYMPATHY!!!

JJ DOES NOT DESERVE INDUCTION!!!

Other women were harmed by this man. JJ is shamefully using #metoo for a publicity stunt.

STOP SPREADING JACKSON FAMILY SCAM!!!!!

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 15:53pm


https://www.rockhall.com/fanvote/standings

WINNERS OF THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME FAN POLLS (2013-PRESENT)

01. 2013: Rush
02. 2014: Kiss
03. 2015: Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble
04. 2016: Chicago
05. 2017: Journey
06. 2018: Bon Jovi
07. 2019: Stevie Nicks

Stevie Nicks is the first woman to win the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Fan Vote!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 15:58pm


Bill,

I just hope Birdsong doesn't get shut out like she did with The Supremes. I never understood her not being included in that induction. I just worry that Labelle may only be inducted for her 70s work onward and yet again Birdsong will get snubbed. Including her would make it a wonderful way to right that wrong.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 17:27pm


Bill shame on you

#metoo is serious. This trashy family needs to be called out. If somebody did something similar with black lives matter you would be screaming bloody murder.

This blackballing is total bs. The family let CBS do a special on Michael/ Now you seriously want people to believe they would do that i she was being blackballed.

You want to see what blackballing looks like then go look at what Bill Cosby did to 16 year old Janis Ian.

You sound off about War who had only 1 decent son, Spill The Wine. Lowrider and Cisco Kid were not exactly hall level quality.

When was the last time a country artist was nominated and inducted. Go look at who covered Mel Tillis. He is the one who wrote Detroit City.

I would have come out and said she has a snoball's chance in hell in getting inducted and rightly so.
What held me back is that there is no oversight and it is possible that they will fudge the figures because of bribe money from the Jackson Family.

What needs to be be talked about is how Stevie Nicks does not increase the number of white women in the hall. The demographic that is actually the least represented. Maybe you actually agree with your bully squad buddy, the one who wants to throw white women under the bus in order to garbage dump a black guy just because hip hop and rap artist consider him an influence. YOU LIE DOWN WITH DOGS YOU GET FLEAS111

JJ DOES NOT DESERVE SYMPATHY!!!

JJ DOES NOT DESERVE INDUCTION!!!

Other women were harmed by this man. JJ is shamefully using #metoo for a publicity stunt.

STOP SPREADING JACKSON FAMILY SCAM!!!!!

Posted by Zuzu

I'm sorry that you disagree.
However, this is my opinion, and I'm standing by it.
It's not just white women, but women IN GENERAL that are being blacklisted.
It's not just Black women, but Black Artists IN GENERAL that are being blacklisted.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame IN GENERAL is becoming a "Good Ole White Guys ONLY" Club. The Stats and Inductees' lists over the years PROVE it.
Forget Janet Jackson for a minute.
WHY haven't DIONNE WARWICK, THE POINTER SISTERS, THE MARVELETTES, MARY WELLS ,SADE,ANITA BAKER, WHITNEY HOUSTON, PATTI LA BELLE & THE BLUE BELLES/LA BELLE, BETTY EVERETT (Don't laugh- A LOT of people have covered BETTY'S TUNES....including CHER, DUSTY SPRINGFIELD,LULU, LINDA RONSTADT, VAN HALEN, ELVIS COSTELLO, THE NYLONS,JAMES TAYLOR, SANDIE SHAW,GLORIA ESTEFAN, WILSON PHILLIPS and numerous others. Most of these people are in the Rock Hall...why isn't BETTY ?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Everett#Cover_versions
It's not just Black Women....it's WOMEN PERIOD that are being ignored.

And, don't get me started on BLACK ARTISTS.

With only about 3 exceptions, almost ALL BLACK R&B GROUPS of the 1970's "Soul Train Era" have been COMPLETELY ignored . THE DRAMATICS, THE SPINNERS, HAROLD MELVIN & THE BLUE NOTES,THE COMMODORES,THE STYLISTICS,THE DELFONICS, THE WHISPERS, THE MANHATTANS,JR.WALKER & THE ALL STARS ('60'S)THE CHI-LITES,and numerous others.Heck , even DON CORNELIUS, the HOST of SOUL TRAIN HIMSELF has been ignored...as well as HERB KENT.DICK CLARK and ALAN FREED are in the Hall. Why not THEM ?

So you see, it's NOT just WHITE WOMEN that are being snubbed. ALL women are.
...and ALL BLACK R&B GROUPS...for the last 9 YEARS !!
HALL & OATES copied the Black R&B Sound...and THEY'RE INDUCTED. What about the artists whose SOUND they COPIED ? Are THEY in ? ...
...no.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 17:38pm


Oh and another thing....

That article that I posted about JANET is from PEOPLE MAGAZINE. It has gone viral all over the internet . If you disagree, contact THEM.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 17:45pm


Bill G.,

"So you see, it's NOT just WHITE WOMEN that are being snubbed. ALL women are."

Amen. The hall has consistently left out deserving female acts. I don't just mean for induction. Nominations are important because once a year the Hall has the chance to showcase the diverse sounds of the genre. Mary Wells and Esther Phillips should have been inducted a long time ago, and at the very least should be popping up as nominees every few years.

That does not even begin to include artists like Carla Thomas, Tammi Terell, Big Maybelle, Irma Thomas, Big Mama Thornton, The Pointer Sisters, The Marvelletes, The Chantels, En Vogue, TLC, Whitney Houston, Dionne Warwick, Mariah Carey, and Toni Braxton. The list can go on and on.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 18:06pm


War belongs more than Styx or REO Speedwagon

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 19:07pm


Zuzu:

Your comments would go a lot farther here if you'd stop attacking and insulting people. I never insulted you...not even ONCE, and look how you're talking to ME.
- Bill.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 19:20pm


This ballot is laughable with exception of 1 or 2, particularly because multiple artists are getting a 2nd, 3rd, EVEN 4th nomination, yet an extremely musically talented group like ELP is ignored again?? Even with the massive contributions to rock music that Keith Emerson made?? Most of these artists would not even be able to play remotely as good as Keith but they are nominees??? And almost as funny about this list is that one member of a nominated band is also a nom comm member?? That's blatantly & totally egregious!!! HOF -- you ARE a joke pulling this kind of crap!!!!

Posted by ELP fan on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 19:45pm


It's obvious with Zuzu that she's a troll and her only intent to cause distance and irritation and throw everybody off. Maybe if we don't feed the troll, she'll go away, we already fed her too many leftovers.

Any moment to take her seriously ended when she thought Lionel Richie and Jimmy Buffett were Hall of Fame worthy individuals.

Also, ELP Fan, tell us why you're mad, son lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 20:01pm


Bill

Remember dusties?

Remember disco backlash?

Remember rock and roll came out r&b - early artist say different? Blues and Country.

Remember bully squads?

I do!!!

You disrespected me!!!!

Push lies - you will get called on it

JJ propaganda is getting old.

Stop disrespecting women.

Stop playing mr innocent.

I have tried again and again to discuss with you and everytime your bully squad shows up.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 21:11pm


ELP

I call it a garbage dump. The kids like Timothy here do not get it. Be prepared for him and his little friends to go on an insult rampage.

It is obvious that the nom com is tying to make a post rock and roll hall of garbage.


Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 21:16pm


Devo
Kraftwerk
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
The Cure

This is the perfect list, too bad it's never going to happen lol.

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 10/11/2018 @ 22:13pm


Bill

Remember dusties?

Remember disco backlash?

Remember rock and roll came out r&b - early artist say different? Blues and Country.

Remember bully squads?

I do!!!

You disrespected me!!!!

Push lies - you will get called on it

JJ propaganda is getting old.

Stop disrespecting women.

Stop playing mr innocent.

I have tried again and again to discuss with you and everytime your bully squad shows up.

My Bully Squad.
MY Bully Squad.

I have absolutely NO IDEA what you're talking about.

Any more posts from you will be COMPLETELY IGNORED.

Try annoying someone ELSE.

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 01:15am


My predictions for the final inductees are as follows:


Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren
The Cure
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
Stevie Nicks

Who I would prefer:

Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren
The Cure
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
Radiohead

Nothing against Stevie, but she is a better collaborator than independent solo artist, and if we are going to get a repeat female nominee, it should be like Tina Turner, or another solo powerhouse that trail blazed like Pat Benatar or Kate Bush. I welcome all feedback, even conspiracy theorist rhetoric lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 01:48am


When I had first seen this list of nominees, my question had been- Where is the real list and who substituted the real list for this, at the last moment? Or who cut the original list by 9 nominees? If I was Jann, I would be absolutely furious! In my honest opinion, this is the worst list of nominees that the Rock Hall Nominating Committee has put together in at least 4 years. It’s really difficult to be passionate about most of the artists on this list.

With that being said, it is undoubtedly a critic’s list. In case you are wondering critic’s definitely do not think like you or I do. They are kind of like the Borg collective. They have one mindset and their choices appear to be highly illogical to the rest of us.

So, at first glance- let me rank these artists from the least deserving artist to the most deserving artist.

15. Janet Jackson
14. MC5
13. Rage Against The Machine
12. Def Leppard
11. Devo
10. Rufus with Chaka Khan
09. John Prine
08. Radiohead
07. The Zombies
06. LL Cool J
05. Stevie Nicks
04. Kraftwerk
03. The Cure
02. Todd Rundgren
01. Roxy Music

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 02:09am


Bill

Still playing mr innocent.

So you are just going to talk smack through you bully squad as usual.



Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 05:25am


https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2019.html

SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR
QUALIFICATION RATINGS AND CRITIQUE
FOR THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

9 - Janet Jackson
8 - Radiohead
8 - LL Cool J
7 - Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
6 - Rage Against The Machine
6 - MC5
6 - The Cure
6 - Def Leppard
6 - Kraftwerk
5 - Devo
5 - Todd Rundgren
5 - Roxy Music
4 - Stevie Nicks
4 - The Zombies
2 - John Prine

DIGITAL DREAM DOOR'S OLD ROCK HALL QUALIFICATIONS SCALE BY SAMPSON

1 - Non-existant
2 - Mostly Insignificant
3 - Recognizable, But Minor Credentials
4 - Modest Accomplishments
5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
6 - Strong Case To Be Made
7 - Solid Choice
8 - Unquestioned Credentials
9 - Dominant Artist
10 - The Immortals

THE CURRENT SCALE BY SAMPSON

10 - The Immortals
9 - Deserves To Be A First Ballot Lock
8 - Should Be Guaranteed An Induction
7 - An Eventual Induction Is Likely
6 - Should Be Nominated At Some Point
5 - Worthy Of At Least A Debate For A Nomination
4 - Not Insignificant, But Shouldn't Be Nominated
3 - No Business Being Debated By Committee
2 - No Business Being Even Mentioned
1 - No Business Visiting The Hall Of Fame Without a Ticket

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 07:13am


Hi Enig! I actually like this list. Maybe I have been assimilated in the hive too :) Could have used more women and an additional R&B act, but I don’t think a truly bad class of inductees can be created from this list. I have 3 out of your top 5 in my personal top 5. Go Roxy Music! Nicks is at the bottom of my list, though. I don’t think her solo work is HOF worthy. But even if she would get in (and it looks like that will be realistic), I wouldn’t be bummed out.

I thought the choice of John Prine, for instance, was very inspired. What a great songwriter, maybe even the best that is currently not in the Hall. Wouldn’t be surprised if he got voted in.

I am surprised that you didn’t put The Zombies in your Top 5. I assumed you would appreciate baroque pop.

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 07:27am


This is a more difficult list of nominees to choose from. As far as Roxy Music I agree with richie that they're going to be hurt by the fact that they were more popular overseas in Britain and the rest of Europe than they were in America,and as shown with the Eurythmics being loved doesn't guarantee an induction. This goes back to how the Voting Body is right now. So my list was the first draft.

Here is my updated predictions for this year's inductees. I have deleted Roxy Music.

Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
John Prine
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

If Six

Janet Jackson



Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 08:12am


When the nominees were first announced, my gut reaction was that the list was underwhelming. But I have to say, as the days have passed, I find this list more and more exciting. There were a handful of artists that I was only peripherally familiar with, so it's been exciting to dig into those catalogs and discover some great music. I agree that any combination of 5 will make a good induction class. My daily votes on the Rock Hall site are for the following:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
The Zombies


I think John Prine is a dark horse for induction. If you look at the last 7-8 classes, the voters always seem to go for the singer-songwriter nominee (Tom Waits, Laura Nyro, Randy Newman, Cat Stevens, Bill Withers, Joan Baez).

Posted by Greg P. on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 09:48am


Greg P.,

So true about John Prine. He is a Singer/Songwriter and there has been one almost every year in the last 7-8 Classes. Even in the Year Nirvana was inducted, 2014 Cat Stevens was inducted. In 2015 there was Bill Withers. And hey in 2017 there was Joan Baez. This is why John Prine remains. He is certainly American. So we dont have to worry about American Rock Hall veterans voting for him. Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Bonnie Raitt know who he is very well. Illegal Smile was an FM hit. Heyy Zuzu. Back 1978-1980 I hearr some John Prine on a famous NY FM station WNEW-FM yet. Yu are right Zuzu there were shock Jocks on other Rock stations. There was Pete Fornatale on 102.7 NEW-FM. I listened to him sometimes. He loved John Prine. He specialized in Acoustic music.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 11:37am


It's funny. Pretty much every thoughtful article or post that I have read about this year's crop say the same things about Stevie Nicks:

1. She will probably be inducted
2. Her solo career is not worthy of induction
3. But she's so cool that nobody will be upset when she gets in for a second time

Those are my sentiments as well.

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 13:25pm


Now I want to say I am NOT picking Radiohead at alll this time. I am NOT a fan and yet I predicted them for the 2018 class. I really dont know much about them and didnt Care for the Music of theirs I checked out on You Tube last year. Then they gave that statement in which they snubbed the Hall. And naturally they didnt get enough Votes. So now its this Year. I am not picking them again.

Now I am not a fan of the Cure either but I can much sooner see them inducted after all this time. But the fact is that is a tiugh one with the current Voting Body. That comes back to the Voters. There are some Rock Journalists that may Vote for the Cure who were fond of them in the 80s.
So to be fair the Cure is sort of possible. I could even say of seven inductees the Cure could be a winner. But there will not be 7 inductees. It will be 6 tops. Thus I made Janet Jackson the sixth inductee. She has a fairly good chance. Please note I am NOT a Janet J fan at all either. I just mentioned 3 acts that I am NOT a fan of. I will say that Janet J. has pretty good chance. So I at least pick her as sixth Inductee.

I do NOT feel Devo, Kraftwerk and MC5 have much of a chance at all. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan is on the fence. It has some possibility. More than some others.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 13:38pm


Ben,

As much as I love John Prine, I don't understand why he got nominated, Yes, he's a great singer/songwriter, but IMO, I think his spot should have gone to either Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson or Gram Parsons again as they're much more deserving than him. so in his place, I think you should pick LL Cool J alongside Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies and Janet Jackson (if six) as your predictions.

Posted by richie on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 14:15pm


Now, I will rank the nominees in order from my least favorite to most favorite:

15. MC5
14. Janet Jackson
13. Rage Against The Machine
12. Radiohead
11. John Prine
10. Def Leppard
09. LL Cool J
08. The Cure
07. Rufus with Chaka Khan
06. Devo
05. Kraftwerk
04. Todd Rundgren
03. The Zombies
02. Roxy Music
01. Stevie Nicks

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 14:17pm


Richie, John Prine is beloved by many artists. He's supposed to be a pretty cool guy to hang out with, etc. They certainly respect his song catalog.

I can guarantee you that if Gram Parsons had been 1/6 as nice a guy as Mr. Prine, he'd have been in the Hall 20 years ago.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 14:44pm


An interesting group this year. Some thoughts:

I think the Zombies have a pretty good shot this year. I've said previously that in order to get in, the Zombies would need to not have an act that could swipe the votes away from them (I.e. the Moody Blues last year). Since this year's nominees are an eclectic bunch, with no one really too similar to the Zombies, I think they have a pretty good chance this year.

Todd Rundgren might be someone who legitimately would fit best in the "Musical Excellence" category. That way, his production work, solo work, Utopia work, promotion work, songwriting, etc. could all be honored in one fell swoop.

The fan voting at the Rock Hall definitely influenced Stevie Nicks and Def Leppard's nominations, in my opinion, and I don't necessarily think that that's a bad thing.

I honestly am not too sure who will get in this year. I can see a number of different outcomes, which is a bit exciting.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 14:50pm


Paul in KY,

I know, but I just don't think he deserves induction IMO, I think that there are bigger Country/Americana names like Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, George Jones, Merle Haggard, Glen Campbell, Waylon Jennings, Conway Twitty, Buck Owens, Kris Kristofferson, Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris and Garth Brooks that deserve it more than him IMO, besides he's probably too obscure (much like Los Lobos) to ever be inducted anyway.

Posted by richie on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 14:53pm


Richie, I don't think he deserves induction either & I really like him, have seen him perform, etc.

Just giving my opinion on why he was nomed.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 15:12pm


The_Claw,

What are your predictions for this year's inductees and What's the reasoning behind them?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 16:55pm


I heard that Joe Walsh's reaction to this years list was that he held his nose.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 17:32pm


I think some people who are in the Hall should loose their rights to a ballot if they haven't voted in a long enough time. I doubt anyone who got in the hall in the 80's still votes.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 17:51pm


Hi Richie, this early in the game my predictions switch from day to day. I can see Stevie Nicks winning the fan ballot, and until now the winner of the fan ballot always got inducted, so that makes her the only one I am truly certain of. John Prine seems like a guy with a lot of respect among his peers, so he has a decent shot. Same with The Zombies: both Colin Blunstone and Rod Argent are well-respected musicians, and there are no comparable acts on the ballot. They could get the nod as well.

So at the moment, I will predict these three, plus Def Leppard, Roxy Music and Todd Rundgren for Musical Excellence. But maybe tomorrow I’ll drop any of these for The Cure or Radiohead, or maybe Chaka Khan.

I am interested in seeing what will happen with Def Leppard. Usually, that type of testosterone driven, high octane power rock wins the fan ballot. What would happen if such a band ends in second place? It could be an interesting case study on how important it really is to win the fan ballot.

Another thing that I found interesting: I have understood that the Voting Committee currently consists of a thousand or so voters. If I remember it correctly, last year they communicated a number of 900+ voters. That increase can unlikely be explained by the induction of Bon Jovi, The Moody Blues, Dire Straits and The Cars alone. Who are the new voters, and what would their influence be? If they are younger voters, in their thirties and fourties, what would that mean for the chances of acts like Radiohead, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, RATM, Kraftwerk and The Cure?

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 18:59pm


Just for fun, here's every artist with at least one diamond album (sold 10 million copies) not in the hall. NOE stands for not old enough.

1. Boston
2. Garth Brooks
3. Alanis Morrissette
4. Shania Twain
5. Adele (NOE)
6. Mariah Carey
7. Jewel (NOE)
8. Boyz II Men
9. Dixie Chicks
10. Matchbox Twenty (NOE)
11. Nelly (NOE)
12. Nickelback (NOE)
13. No Doubt
14. Outkast
15. The Notorious B.I.G. (will be old enough next year)
16. Smashing Pumpkins
17. TLC
18. Taylor Swift (NOE)
19. Backstreet Boys (NOE)
20. Patsy Cline
21. Phil COllins
22. Creed
23. Def Leppard
24. Creed (NOE)
25. Celine Dion
26. Doobie Brothers
27. Eminem (NOE)
28. Hootie and the Blowfish
29. Whitney Houston
30. Norah Jones (NOE)
31. Kenny G
32. Kid Rock
33. Carole King (In as a songwriter)
34. Linkin Park (NOE)
35. MC Hammer
36. Meat Loaf
37. George Michael
38. NSYNC (NOE)
39. REO Speedwagon
40. Lionel Richie
41. Kenny Rogers
42. Usher
43. Britney Spears (NOE)

One of those is getting in this year.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 19:33pm


Just for fun, here's every artist with at least one diamond album (sold 10 million copies) not in the hall. NOE stands for not old enough.

1. Boston
2. Garth Brooks
3. Alanis Morrissette
4. Shania Twain
5. Adele (NOE)
6. Mariah Carey
7. Jewel (NOE)
8. Boyz II Men
9. Dixie Chicks
10. Matchbox Twenty (NOE)
11. Nelly (NOE)
12. Nickelback (NOE)
13. No Doubt
14. Outkast
15. The Notorious B.I.G. (will be old enough next year)
16. Smashing Pumpkins
17. TLC
18. Taylor Swift (NOE)
19. Backstreet Boys (NOE)
20. Patsy Cline
21. Phil COllins
22. Creed
23. Def Leppard
24. Creed (NOE)
25. Celine Dion
26. Doobie Brothers
27. Eminem (NOE)
28. Hootie and the Blowfish
29. Whitney Houston
30. Norah Jones (NOE)
31. Kenny G
32. Kid Rock
33. Carole King (In as a songwriter)
34. Linkin Park (NOE)
35. MC Hammer
36. Meat Loaf
37. George Michael
38. NSYNC (NOE)
39. REO Speedwagon
40. Lionel Richie
41. Kenny Rogers
42. Usher
43. Britney Spears (NOE)

One of those is getting in this year.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 19:45pm


Oops, Accidentally said Creed twice. Creed are NOE.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 19:47pm




I think some people who are in the Hall should loose their rights to a ballot if they haven't voted in a long enough time. I doubt anyone who got in the hall in the 80's still votes.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 10.12.18 @ 17:51pm


In other words you want a hall of garbage. It is the nom com that needs to go.

You need to read what the artist have to say. If what Joe Walsh says comes to be then maybe there is hope yet.

What you suggest would close down the hall, Maybe hat is your objective. You do not sound like you even care about rock and roll.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 20:18pm


Well, I certainly agree with Enigmaticus that it's a critic-oriented ballot and the reason for that is pretty obvious. The NomCom must be well aware of the backlash from its all-classic rock radio classes and was trying to force the Voting Committee to pick other sorts of acts by not nominating artists who get much classic rock airplay.

Now I think we see what the point with the museum voting was. The critics essentially decided they were going to stop nominating names who were more popular than critically acclaimed and let the museum fans pick two, knowing that the voters would likely automatically pick whoever the fans picked in the first place since that has been the recent trend. This would thereby allow for a balance between the critics' picks and the fans' picks. This looks like the new compromise: they're going to throw two ballot picks to the fans voting at the museum and once again pick the rest themselves. But if they are doing that, they probably need to fix the poll in the museum so it doesn't automatically recommend you vote for whoever is in the top ten. And considering Blink-182 was on the list, the prospect of that could have been scary (especially with no Beck or Outkast), but they're probably on about the same level as solo Stevie Nicks.

Def Leppard will be inducted whether they win the fan vote or not. They get more songs regularly played on all classic rock stations than any of these other bands. They were the most critically acclaimed hair metal band after Guns 'N Roses and Van Halen, and more acclaimed than Journey and Bon Jovi who have already been inducted (didn't Pyromania and Hysteria both make Rolling Stone's top 500 albums list?) They just didn't have that one meme song like Journey or Bon Jovi did to carry them. Hopefully, that won't extend to Toto now that "Africa" seems to be a meme like "Don't Stop Believin'" and "Livin' on a Prayer" were. I don't think it would though. Journey, Bon Jovi, and Def Leppard all had like 15 major US hits and Toto had like 3.

I want Def Leppard to win the fan vote over Stevie Nicks because I think Nicks is probably the least deserving name on the ballot (I like her four huge hits, but there are about twenty more deserving female artists than her at least) and the real issue is that I don't see them inducting two women. If Nicks is inducted I don't think Janet Jackson will be, and if she wins the fan vote, I suspect Jackson will be frozen out even though she is more deserving. Does anyone really expect them to induct two women? Jackson is also one of the only choices who could get in with regard to stylistic diversity between rock and R&B while Nicks would not likely add stylistic diversity to the class.

The four new wave-oriented acts Roxy Music, Kraftwerk (yeah, I know calling them new wave may be a stretch even though they influenced it), Devo, and The Cure are almost certainly going to undercut and take votes away from each other. They don't have a great track record at inducting bands that had more influence in Europe than the US, which would be three of the four of those. However, while I kind of expect all of them to be snubbed, if one of them isn't it will be Roxy Music. Brian Eno has enough industry friends who would want to get him in. They get ONE song regularly played on classic rock radio ("Love Is the Drug") while the others get zero, and that may matter. And there is a bias towards the older bands and there aren't as many of them this year.

But if Roxy Music doesn't make it (I don't think Kraftwerk/Cure/Devo have a chance) it will be because the supporters of all of those four decided to unite to make sure Radiohead gets in knowing those of a less critical bent won't vote for them. It might end up being an either or between Roxy Music/Radiohead but the others might not have much hope. Although there's a bias for the Americans traditionally, Devo would be considered too novelty compared to the others to jump them probably.

They don't usually induct more than one songwriter in a year and now there are several. Tom Waits proved you don't need commercial success to get inducted as a singer-songwriter, but I think the singer-songwriter vote will be split this time. Rundgren is more critically acclaimed and more commercially successful both as far as I can tell (not to mention his production side career, but I think he will be inducted as a Performer), and Nicks is probably going to win the fan vote which will probably hurt Prine as well as Jackson.

RATM keeps getting nominated probably because of Morello even if he himself would rather push for others, and I think Beck or Outkast or Smashing Pumpkins or Soundgarden would have all stood a better chance.

The Zombies will be automatic since they are the oldest band, widely considered the last deserving British Invasion Act, they have no contemporaries to take votes from them, and they get classic rock play even if it is also only one song.

LL Cool J may be indirectly helped by Nicks because I think Nicks winning the fan vote is going to keep Jackson out, which probably helps him. The voters who apparently automatically vote for the fan vote winner may be more likely to create a diverse ballot this way, even though Jackson is probably more important than either of them. However, he's not made it on ballots when he was the only rapper before and I expect he won't again.

MC5 and Rage will undercut each other, and somehow I think New York Dolls would have a better shot than either because they influenced both alternative (punk) and mainstream (hair metal) in a way the other bands didn't. I think New York Dolls is who they should be trying over MC5 at this point, who keep getting rejected.

Rufus will probably keep getting rejected. I think Janet Jackson is the only hope for R&B, and I think Stevie Nicks is going to keep her from getting inducted, so it's still going to just be the acts that get classic rock radio play plus Radiohead.

Predictions:

Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
The Zombies
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Todd Rundgren

If it's only five, either Radiohead will miss (because the voting committee doesn't want to vote for them) or Roxy Music (because there are too many other vaguely similar bands here.)

Posted by Sean on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 21:05pm


Zuzu,

What I mean is guys like Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard probably haven't voted for the Hall in such a long time their votes should be taken away. Do we even know how many of eligible voters turn in ballots? I don't think Axl Rose or anyone from Sex Pistols bothers to vote, either. So it makes since, taking away voting privileges for people how don't/haven't voted in a long time (say 7 years or so) would drop some of the Hall's dead weight.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 21:24pm


Critics Ticket!!!! How?

According to Joe Walsh this is a corporate sponsered ticket.

Most of the people on this ticket are reject jokes.

You really think they are getting in?

The artist are pissed. They are going to stop asking for oversight. They are going to be DEMANDING IT.

This is corporate trash mostly with 1 or 2 exceptions.

The propaganda needs to stop.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 21:28pm


People need to stop sleeping on The Cure possibly getting in. They're doing well on the fan vote and they got a lot of supporters. I also think Radiohead's continued apathy as opposed to Def Leppard's 180 degree turn to being optimistic of their chances of getting in is why Radiohead won't get in. Radiohead is considered a safe bet but please believe they probably won't get in. I don't think the Hall will take kindly to artists who got in only to spit on it. Look at how the Sex Pistols responded to it and look how they treated Dire Straits.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 21:36pm


@Follower,

I agree with this. Plus Little Richard and Jerry Lee are in their mid-80s and ailing. They don't care about no glitzy Hall in Cleveland or whoever is getting voted this year.

Joe Walsh boycotting against voting for the Hall is telling though. I imagine Eddie Trunk's stupid a$$ will boycott too since there is no Slayer lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 21:38pm


Follower,

That is not the reason for artist not turning in ballets. It is because the tickets are full of trash. Not voting is a form of protest. They have earned it. Did you know that the nom com changed the rules from artist needing 50% to just the top 5. That means people are getting in with less than being approved by half the voters.

The nom com needs to go. They have no business picking people.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!!!

Com out of your cocoon and look at the reaction. Please read what Joe Walsh and other artist have to say. You might start to understand what is really going on.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 21:42pm


Little Timmy

You need to stop living in this dream world of yours.

You need to put down the propaganda and start look at what the voters are saying.

Check out the person writing the article. There are too many that have a connection to the nom com. Eddie Trunk is a shock jock. Don't look there.

Forgotten hits does actually interview older artist. It might be a real eye opener and wake you up to what is really happening.

On second thought maybe you shouldn't except under a professionals care. I do not think you could handle the reality.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 21:52pm


The NomCom has a lot of problems, but I think getting rid of the voting privlages for the inductees is a good thing because Flavor Flav doesn't care about The Zombies and Art Rupe, who is 101, probably doesn't vote anyway. He wouldn't look into Rage Against the Machine anyway.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 22:21pm


After a certain amount of time not voting, of course. If only the Hall told us when they last voted.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 22:26pm


Good grief. Why are some people just trying to egg on arguments and predict doom and gloom to the nom com? Joe Walsh is one person, and he has been eccentric and outspoken his entire post-80s Eagles life. What he says is his opinion and in no way necessarily means it is what anyone else is thinking that has any pull. I think the classic rock bend is affecting other genres, and it probably is going to shift. The Zombies, though talented, even being considered right now is proof that the old guard needs to start considering new blood. There are other acts in the 70s and elsewhere that need to go in unquestionably, but the time for recognizing every single 50s and 60s band that had even the most passing influence is coming to an end.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 22:35pm


Zuzu,
Who would be your 15 nominees?

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 22:36pm


Oh! I know some of the answers to that one, Classic Rock!

Chubby Checker
Tommy James And The Shondells
Steve Goodman
the American Breed
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Judy Collins
Dottie West
Kenny Rogers (maybe a joint nom with First Edition, maybe not)
Mel Tillis
Styx
REO Speedwagon

I forget the rest. I think she may have mentioned Peter, Paul, And Mary as well as the Kingston Trio. I can't remember them all. Possibly the Buckinghams too.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 23:09pm


K-Dawg,

Agreed. Another example would be Gene Simmons, who, if it were up to him, would only have two Black people in the Hall: Chuck Berry and Jimi Hendrix. And he'd only have two women in: Joan Jett and Pat Benatar. Artists can be very heavily biased in favor of their peers and imitators, and are just as capable of being closed-minded as John Q. Public.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10/12/2018 @ 23:16pm


I'm curious who Donovan, John Mellencamp, and Ronnie Spector would vote for on these 15 artists. Zuzu, I'm wondering which 3 Chicago area artists do you feel are the most deserving of the RRHOF? There are so many good artists from Chicago or moved to Chicago for awhile. I think Styx deserves more consideration with all the platinum albums they collected and a platter of great hits.
PHILIP
How would you grade out this 2018 RRHOF NOMINEES ballot? I'd give it a solid B. Moving towards a B+. When you think of it, there are hundreds of bands and singers that could be nominated or under consideration. I think the Nom Com did a good job picking these 15. Good to see Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, and The Cure. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 00:07am


KING,

It's always hard to grade something on its own versus what it could have been. I"m one of those who would love to see a renewed investment in the doo-wop groups and other rock and roll acts of the '50's. On the other hand, the push forward has brought a refreshing breather from the stale and easily predicted ballots. Other than Stevie Nicks though, I'm liking this. Her nomination, though, suggests a possible need for editorializing of the fan poll at the museum, once the NomComm is assembled together. It's a good ballot, I just wish we could get larger classes out of it.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 01:21am


K-Dawg.

Wake up and smell the coffee. You Joe Walsh is the only one. Get your nose out of the hall propaganda sites. Stop twisting words. Look out there in this whole wide world. Way too many people are fed up with what has been going on for a while. If it keeps going the hall is going to shut down whether you stick your head in the ground or not,

What Joe Walsh says brings hope that that the hall will not crash and burn.

King

John Mellancamp considers John Prine an influence.

There are more than three deserving artist connected to or from Chicago. There arew also some DJs that should be considered

Classic Rock

That person does not speak for me and has no business doing so.I have mad numerous lists list of artist that have been skipped over.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 06:14am


"I just wish we could get larger classes out of it." - Philip

YES. This is the easiest and most effective solution to the Hall's biggest problem, and yet they stubbornly refuse to deviate from their small class of 5, which just continues the backlog as more and more names become eligible.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 09:27am


Philip,

I am still quite interested to see your evaluation of the 2019 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees List on your website. Will you start posting it on Rock Hall Monitors on Monday? If so, then I am definitely looking forward to it!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 10:56am


Okay, unlike those individuals on the “Who Cares About The Rock Hall” podcast, I definitely do not like this list. Nor, do many of my colleagues and peers which have seen it. The problem with critics is primarily that they are impressed by artists who are ephemeral. There are undoubtedly several ephemeral artists on this list. On the other hand, I prefer artists who have longevity, instead of those whose work only includes a few noteworthy albums. With that being said, I have been voting for: Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music, The Zombies, Todd Rundgren and one other different artist who is not Janet Jackson, MC5, Def Leppard, nor Radiohead.

Now, let me explain why I am disappointed with this list:

1. No major “progressive rock,” or “prog” artists are on this list. As I have stated previously, the only artists which even might border on “prog” are: Roxy Music, The Zombies, Kraftwerk and perhaps Todd Rundgren. There is no Procol Harum, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, or Duran Duran. Hopefully, they will return to the ballot later this year.

2. There are not enough artists who represent R & B, Soul, or Jazz on this list. I would have preferred to have seen Sade, Tina Turner (as a solo artist) and Lionel Richie and numerous others on this list. Unfortunately only Janet Jackson (who I do not like at all, except as an actress and whose work does not resonate with me in any manner whatsoever) and Rufus with Chaka Khan are on this list. Hopefully, this will be rectified later this year.

3. There are not enough female singer/songwriter artists on this list. The addition of: Pat Benatar, Carly Simon, Carole King, Judy Collins, or even Tori Amos would have improved this list immeasurably.

4. Where are the female rap artists? Queen Latifah, TLC, etc. would have been great choices. On the other hand, I think that LL Cool J standing alone without any competition is quite unfortunate. Yes, Outkast and Snoop Dogg could have been nominated also.

5. By the way, what happened to those quirky, experimental artists, such as: Eurythmics, Kate Bush, Björk, etc.?

6. Other than John Prine, Country and country rock is sadly underrepresented on this list. The fact is that Rolling Stone is now focusing more on country than many other genres. Artists such as: k.d. lang, Shania Twain and Garth Brooks would have improved the variety of this ballot.

7. Hard rock and/or heavy metal artists have very few representatives on this ballot. Only R.A.T.M., MC5 and Def Leppard are represented here.

8. Radiohead, Devo and The Cure are the sole representatives of Alternative Music.

9. Overall, In my honest opinion, this will be a sparsely attended ceremony. On the other hand, the list could have been exceptional and the Rock Hall would have benefitted greatly by presenting us with a “non-critics” list.



Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 11:47am


Steve Z

Read what the artist are saying. Larger class size
is not the main problem and will resolve nothing if all the nom com puts on a ticket is mostly crap like they did this year. Tickets with no or not enough descent selections is the real problem. Have you been missing what former members of the nom com have been saying. There have been noms for money. This needs to change and they need to nominate the skip overs.

Forget Dire Straits- that is nothing. Look at What they did to Chicago and Journey. 20+ years for a nom. The morons still can not define Chicago correctly. These bands had 2 of the all timr greatest rock vocalists snd you wait how long?

THIS IS DISCUSTTING!!!!

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 12:03pm


Phillip,

They truly do need to cut that out. Five people was never enough. The Hall used to induct like nine, ten artists or something like that. There are still artists who need to get in that can benefit from a larger class. It's BS.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 12:15pm


K-Dawg,

I feel some folks are only pushing for the Zombies now because they feel they need to close down the British Invasion chapter. They're literally the last BI act that has yet to be inducted and I imagine if for some reason they don't get picked for 2019 (controversial probably, considering their Fan Vote position, which Janet is closing in on), they won't get another chance. This is the last resort for '60s British bands least of the "Invasion" era.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 12:19pm


Also, I don't mean to egg on with that troll but is she a Donald Trump voter? LOL

Her insults seem to indicate that.

I'll stop. :)

Anyways, my points still stand. Overall, this year's list is still a very good one.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 12:21pm


Dezmond,

I'm not upset either. I love Stevie Nicks. Her solo career definitely leaves a lot to be desired but I would have no qualms if she gets in as a solo. Would make it easier for Chaka to get in one day (and Tina solo). And I don't think they won't induct her this year. It's just an odd choice but obviously the Hall IS listening to the fans!

Ben,
Interesting that you say Rufus and Chaka may still have a chance at an induction here... unless I read your post wrong?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 12:27pm


Little Timmy

You are an ignorant little boy. I really can not stand an elephant in a donkey costume. You ideas fit right in with the DLC. Go look up the 11th and 14th wards.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 12:30pm


The Zombies are good, there's no denying. But it's like nominating Velvet Revolver after GnR. You're scraping the bread crumbs to get every morsel of a genre. Personally, I think Herman's Hermits, who never attained superstar status, would be a better Brit Invasion band to go in than the 2 hit wonder Zombies, but again, it's just my opinion. lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 13:05pm


The Rock Hall nominating committee is playing some kind of game I think. They won't nominate the Monkees until The Zombies are inducted. The Monkees will be their replacement on the ballot. They are playing an even worse game with Kool & The Gang and the Commodores. They won't nominate them until The Spinners, The Meters, War, Rufus, and the JB's are inducted, and that's just wrong! Kool & The Gang and the Commodores would get inducted on the first try. I don't know how much racism has to do with it.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 14:10pm


What makes you think the Monkees will EVER get nominated?

Next you'll be saying Stynx will be nominated after Def Leppard...
#giveitupalready

Posted by KXB on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 14:19pm


Motley Crue will go in next after Leppard. They are trying to slowly put the hair bands in. However, if Poison ever gets nommed, whoever makes it should have their voting rights taken away permanently.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 14:28pm


As someone who loves the Monkees, I don't think they stand a chance getting even nominated!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 14:38pm


@K-Dawg,

I forgot Herman's Hermits aren't in yet! So who keeps nominating the Zombies? They could always induct Time of the Season! Why induct them whole!? Makes no sense then. Why does the Hall keep pushing them?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 14:40pm


K-Dawg

True

Here's what I'd think we'd begin to see appear if any of these artists are inducted

The Cure - Joy Division, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Nick Drake, Captain Beefheart, Buzzcocks, The Smashing Pumpkins, Bauhaus and My Bloody Valentine

Def Leppard - T. Rex, Mötley Crüe, Thin Lizzy, Boston, Foreigner, Slade and Mott the Hoople

Devo - Can, Sparks, Neu!, Tangerine Dream and XTC

Janet Jackson - Mariah Carey, Tina Turner, Whitney Houston and Diana Ross

John Prine - Willie Nelson, Ry Cooder and Warren Zevon

Kraftwerk - Can, Neu!, Brian Eno, Joy Division, New Order, Suicide, Tangerine Dream and Afrika Bambaataa

LL Cool J - Afrika Bambaataa, Nas and Queen Latifah

MC5 - Mitch Ryder, The Sonics, John Coltrane, Dead Kennedys, Soundgarden and Sonic Youth

Radiohead - Joy Division, New Order, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Can, Neu!, Pixies, Massive Attack, Sonic Youth, Björk, PJ Harvey, The Smiths, Kate Bush and Blur

Rage Against the Machine - Bad Brains, Faith no More, Jane's Addiction, Living Colour, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Tool, Soundgarden, Fugazi, Cypress Hill and Anthrax

Roxy Music - King Crimson, Brian Eno, Can, Sparks, T. Rex, Duran Duran, Kate Bush, Joy Division, New Order, The Smiths and Buzzcocks

Rufus with Chaka Khan - Diana Ross, George Benson, Mary J. Blige, TLC and Mariah Carey

Stevie Nicks - Carole King, Sheryl Crow, Pat Benatar, Tori Amos and Shania Twain

Todd Rundgren - King Crimson, Carole King and Sparks

The Zombies - The Monkees, The Guess Who, Love and XTC

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 14:56pm


I have to say that I am pretty disappointed with this list of nominees. No Pat Benatar, Spinners, Jethro Tull, or Guess Who. It is good to see Def Leppard nominated however. Stevie Nicks is already in with Fleetwood Mac.I don't agree with her making it in solo when so many other acts are completely snubbed, although she is more deserving than Ringo Starr.

Posted by MarkTesla on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 15:32pm


I have to say that I am pretty disappointed with this list of nominees. No Pat Benatar, Spinners, Jethro Tull, or Guess Who. It is good to see Def Leppard nominated however. Stevie Nicks is already in with Fleetwood Mac.I don't agree with her making it in solo when so many other acts are completely snubbed, although she is more deserving than Ringo Starr.

Posted by MarkTesla on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 15:33pm


Is Devo truly worthy of induction to the Hall of Fame? I personally think not. At least the J Geils Band wasn't nominated again. LL Cool J will probably get in. Hopefully Def Leppard. The Cure-maybe in a few years. Same with Radiohead.

Posted by MarkTesla on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 15:41pm


Sorry Nicky Joe, MOST of those acts you mentioned aren't EVER getting nominated/inducted go matter what!
(esp. that boy-toucher Afrika Bambaataa)

Posted by KXB on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 16:41pm


FAN BALLOT UPDATE

Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks are very close in the poll: Nicks currently has 127,561 voters, Def Leppard 127,356.

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 16:46pm


So far, in the history of the fan ballot, only two artists-Nine Inch Nails and Judas Priest-haven't been inducted. What are the chances the current top 5 of Stevie Nicks, Def Leppard, The Cure, Todd Rudgren, and The Zombies might give us a third?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 17:18pm


I meant to say of artists who placed in the Top 5.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 17:20pm


I do have to say, as a person not enjoying the Nick's nomination on this ballot, I think she is getting wrongly portrayed as unworthy of induction. I always try and look at already inducted acts, and the least deserving set the bar for induction. In that case her solo work and longevity,, not to mention popularity, far outshine many already enshrined. Her influence doesn't just stop outside of Fleetwood Mac's discography. Not to mention her attention to detail in songwriting, production, and choice of collaborators (and I am not just talking about duet partners). I think it is a bit unfair to relegate her to this shoo in status without giving credit to why she is undoubtedly a stand out act. It takes quite the star to claw out from under a band as big as Fleetwood Mac.

Bigger acts stand outside the Hall, undoubtedly. Stevie has done enough to become part of the Hall however.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 17:55pm


"The Rock Hall nominating committee is playing some kind of game I think. They won't nominate the Monkees until The Zombies are inducted. The Monkees will be their replacement on the ballot. They are playing an even worse game with Kool & The Gang and the Commodores. They won't nominate them until The Spinners, The Meters, War, Rufus, and the JB's are inducted, and that's just wrong! Kool & The Gang and the Commodores would get inducted on the first try. I don't know how much racism has to do with it."
Posted by Roy.

It has PLENTY to do with it, Roy !!

Remember when I said that the LAST R&B GROUP inducted was LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS.....and THAT was NINE YEARS AGO ??

In that nine year period, even if they had inducted just ONE R&B group per year since, that would be NINE R&B GROUPS inducted that AREN'T inducted NOW...while there could STILL be 36 Rock acts inducted during that SAME TIME PERIOD !!! But THAT'S not ENOUGH for them. They want ALL of the slots to go to White Rock acts...and the occasional RAPPER. Just for example; those 9 R&B slots COULD have gone to:

1) The Commodores
2) The Spinners
3) Kool & The Gang or Sade
4) The Marvelettes
5) Mary Wells
6) Janet Jackson
7) The Pointer Sisters
8) Barry White or Lou Rawls
9) Gene Chandler or Jr. Walker & The All-Stars

....That would have eliminated some of the most-wanted R&B artists people have been complaining about over the years...instead , they choose to induct NONE OF THEM !!!
The JB's could , and should have gone in the "Musical Excellence" Category.It's more appropriate since they were SIDEMEN....not MAIN PERFORMERS. That honor goes to JAMES BROWN & THE FAMOUS FLAMES.
But they didn't WANT to do THAT. It would have been a well-deserved AUTOMATIC INDUCTION. No, they'd rather nominate them to be VOTED ON, so that they could be SHOT DOWN...like all of the OTHER R&B acts.
The Hall of Fame has become just as prejudiced as the Motion Picture Academy !!!
And Greg Harris isn't TALKING !!!

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 18:06pm


Remember when I said that the LAST R&B GROUP inducted was LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS.....and THAT was NINE YEARS AGO ?? *

* When I mean that THE IMPERIALS were the last R&B act inducted.... I mean the last R&B group actually inducted by The VOTING BODY.

The REST inducted SINCE 2009 were Special Inductions that the Voting Body couldn't shoot down... at least 3 of which SHOULD have been inducted with their ORIGINAL LEAD SINGERS, but WEREN'T...BECAUSE of the HoF'S own screw-up:

THE MIRACLES
THE FAMOUS FLAMES
THE MIDNIGHTERS
THE "5" ROYALES

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 18:14pm


So when was the last time a country artist was nominated and inducted?

So when was the last time a single white woman performer that was an actual performer and not songwriter and was not already inducted in a ptr or group, nominated and inducted?

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 19:01pm


Johnny Cash? In like 1989?

Woman...um, Joplin Raitt, even Joan Baez. They come to mind, but all were songwriters. Maybe Joan Jett (the Blackhearts are an afterthought?)

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 19:50pm


Zuzu,

Joan Baez went into the Hall in 2017. If you consider her too much of a songwriter for some reason. Linda Ronstadt was in 2014, and covers both your female and Country act question

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 20:09pm


K-Sawg

Thank you

Joan Baez is half Mexican and half European. A long overdue and deserving inductee She does not fit my criteria and Joan Jett was still inducted as a group

Madonna was 2008 but what about white women from the 60s or 70s

Bonnie Raitt is also post 70s.

Janis Joplin was 1995.

What is up with such extreme prejudice on these two groups that there is no discussion. Most list of women start with post 70s white women as if none existed in the 60s or 70s. With Country there is a cover- up of this genres importance to rock and roll. What about Patsy Cline, The Outlaws and several other coutry artist that have contributed to rock and roll?

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 20:10pm


What does it matter if it's a white woman, a black woman, a purple woman, or a polka-dotted woman? Point is, as has been established, women are grossly underrepresented in the hall. Janet Jackson isn't everyone's taste, but she deserves to be in IMO. Same with Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, maybe even Jennifer Lopez someday. Lil Kim is probably the first rap female artist to deserve induction (I believe she becomes eligible next year)

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 20:19pm


Chris

Linda Ronstadt is the other inductee that is half Mexican and European. Deserving but does nor fit my criteria. Last year 2 older African American women were inducted. Do we have any balance this year for white women? No - Stevie Nicks is already inducted. Why does the nom com have a problem with white women. For the record more black women have been nominated than white women. This needs to be rectified and stop being put on the back shelf.

The nom com needs to be held sccountable.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 20:22pm


K-Dawg

It matters because they are deserving and have been discriminated against. So your solution is to move ahead and induct less deserving women.


Are black women really that underrepresented? look at both separately and it is obvious that the least represented group is white women. Now adjust for population percentage and it is even worse,

This racist-sexist ideology has to stop.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 20:32pm


Bill Withers was nominated and inducted in 2015.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 20:44pm


And for the record, I've previously stated Pat Benatar and Kate Bush belong. This is an addendum.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 20:49pm


Def Leppard are ahead of Stevie Nicks right now.

Anyway, as I was saying, who in the top 5 right now of those two, The Cure, Todd Rudgren, and The Zombies is the least likely to get in?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 20:59pm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_roll

According to Wikipedia, these music genres are the ones that spawned Rock and Roll:

********Rock and Roll-Stylistic origins********

Blues
Rhythm and Blues
Gospel
Boogie-Woogie
Jazz
Country
Electric Blues
Jump Blues
Chicago Blues-
Swing
Folk
Western Swing

The great majority of these music styles were of African/African-American orgin.The ONLY ones that AREN'T, are : Country, Folk, and Western Swing.
So, anyone that thinks that Black artists don't deserve induction into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, are either 1) Crazy. 2) Bigoted, 3) Illiterate, or, 4) ALL THREE !!
********READ YOUR MUSIC HISTORY,PEOPLE !!!********
**************DO YOUR RESEARCH !!!****************
Click on the link above.....

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 21:02pm


@Follower,

I think the Zombies will get left behind. Like not all picks that be the final five in the fan vote all get in. The only time I remembered when more than three who was top five in the fan vote went in was like 2013, which was truly a white male-only HOF.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:02pm


@MarkTesla,

Who you think is getting in this year? Since you eliminate Stevie, The Cure and DEVO from your list of who you think should or would get in?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:14pm


Now who wrote that wiki entry. Look at what the early rock and rollers say. Only country and blues are brought up.

Bill you didn't write that wiki entry, did you?

Elvis
Little Richard
Chuck Berry

say different.

Now who is more credible?

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:16pm


Go listen to Move It On Over then Listen to Rock Around the Clock

Now look up who recorded Mel Tillis' songs,

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:28pm


@Timothy Pernell

Albert King (who finished 5th), Public Enemy, Heart, and Donna Summer got inducted in 2013, along with Quincy Jones in a supplemental category. Hardly a "white male only" class.

In both the 2018 and 2017 fan polls, 4 of the Top 5 artists got inducted.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:31pm


Enig, to answer your question posted to me: I'm not 100% certain when. I take my time over the course of the nomination season. First, I post a reaction, then I do merits, then taste, then predictions. That's the usual pattern. Right now, I'm taking time to research the artists a bit more fully, binge-listening to each of them in turn, even ones that I think I'm pretty familiar with.

I hope to post my initial reaction on Monday, but that's a big if. It's also the first day I'll have had off since Labor Day, and there are real life things to be done: laundry, groceries, etc.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:38pm


@Follower,

Actually, this is tough. Stevie Nicks could probably be left out if there aren't enough votes for her. I mean, we've seen the unpredictable happen. When Bon Jovi was nominated for the first time, they were way high on the fan vote. I think they even won it (I'm not sure, refresh my memory), but when the inductees were announced, Bon Jovi weren't inducted. Shocker. I think Deep Purple was also very high one year with a fan vote but they didn't get in. I remember some very angry commenters ranting about Deep Purple's omission. This was for the 2013 induction (the year Heart, Public Enemy and Rush got in). And Deep Purple was #2 on that year's fan vote but they weren't inducted. When they got nominated again in 2015, they finally had enough votes to get in. So it's possible for either of the top three on the fan vote (Stevie, Def Leppard, The Cure) to not get in. It's also possible that if two female inductees are in, it would be Janet and Chaka instead of Stevie and that is likely to anger the Fleetwood Mac voters who made Nicks' nomination a possibility.

So I can expect some unpredictability with this list. Lots can happen!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:40pm


@Follower,

Yeah I noticed my mistake. I meant to say 2014, not 2013.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:41pm


@Follower,

Though they did induct Linda Ronstadt (half Mexican/Caucasian) but take her away, everyone else was a white male act (including Muslim Englishman Yusuf Islam, aka Cat Stevens).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:42pm


Timothy Pernell,

What are your predictions for this year's inductees (if six)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:45pm


A list of bands that should've been nominated:

Alice In Chains
Bad Religion
Beck
Bjork
Cypress Hill
Dead Kenendys
Depeche Mode
Eurythmics
Joy Division
Madness
Misfits
Motorhead
New Order
Nine Inch Nails
No Doubt
Oingo Boingo
Pixies
Social Distortion
Soundgarden
The B-52's
The Cramps
The Go-Go's
The Monkees
The Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
The Specials
Tool

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:48pm


Thoughts?

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:48pm


@Timothy Pernell
Actually, Bon Jovi were nominated twice, once before the fan vote existed (2011), and last year they won the fan vote and got inducted.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:49pm


Philip,

Thank you for responding. Trust me, I certainly understand how busy one can become during the year. The past two weeks have been relatively slow at work. However, I had been extremely busy for the previous 9 months. I have yet to do any laundry this weekend. Most likely, I will do laundry early tomorrow morning.

In any event, when you finally get around to posting your opinions, I will be very interested in hearing them. Your site happens to be one of my favorites. Have a great remainder of the weekend!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:55pm


Michael,

That ballot is full of worthy artists, but way too big. All of those acts are deserving of at least serious consideration, if not nomination.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/13/2018 @ 23:59pm


Its not a ballot, just a list of bands that haven't been nominated this year. Or maybe it IS a ballot, and i'm too dumb to notice lol

Posted by Michael on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 00:03am


@Follower,

Oh OK. I forgot the fan vote was real recent. :/

I should keep up with this stuff as much of a Hall of Fame watcher I am but I never do. I just talk about people who have been snubbed.

Anyway, looks like Def Leppard has replaced Stevie atop the fan vote!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 00:25am


@richie,

The six people that have a best chance as I see it are as follows:
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
The Cure
Todd Rundgren

The sixth one is actually tough for me. It could be between the Zombies and possibly someone like Roxy Music. There seems to be some push to include them. It's possible that Roxy Music becomes the sixth inductee (or fifth if Todd gets a "back door" induction, i.e., Musical Excellence) over the Zombies.

People always think the Zombies are this close to getting in. Some are even saying they may have a great chance but if Roxy Music supporters charged enough, the Zombies will get blocked again.

So the six picks I think that could get in are:
Def Leppard
Janet
Stevie
Todd
The Cure
Roxy Music

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 00:29am


If things keep going one way with someone stirring drama. I may just hope for the 5-6 go in that irritates this person the most

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 00:34am


K-Dawg,

Let's not be petty over personalities. Save it for things that truly matter.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 00:40am


Kraftwerk and Devo on the same ballot, how do you feel about that?

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 01:58am


I'm a little disappointed in the list. I've said that before. It skips too many genres and definitely has provoked much thought and diverse opinions here. That being said, if Def Leppard, Kraftwerk and the Cure go in, I'd be a little satisfied. Todd Rundgren should also be considered, as it is more to get him out of the way since he should've been in years ago. Janet Jackson is important to me, as she is someone who finally will get some of the songbirds of the 80s and 90s rolling since the Hall has decided to ignore the powerful voices that propelled Billboard beyond Madonna. If it's some combination of the Zombies or Stevie Nicks going in, I am going to be disappointed in the committee for following a path that doesn't really let the rest of the deserving candidates have much of a chance for enshrinement in the near future. I love Michael's list, but if the nomcom had been inducting 6-7 a year instead of the current 5, we might have some, if not most of these groups in now. It is frustrating, but it's par for the course. I know I really haven't said anything that hasn't already been covered, but it's good to rehash. Have a great night all

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 02:43am


K-Dawg,

Def Leppard, Kraftwerk, The Cure, Janet and Todd being the inductees this year would be great.

Who knows? Maybe Kraftwerk will be the dark horse.

Like I said, anything can happen. :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 03:35am


Michael-

Agreed that most of those acts are worthy of consideration, but there's no way they were ever gonna nominate that many in a single year...

Posted by EDS on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 07:21am


Philip,

I also can understand being busy for sure. Currently since I have done all the Clerical for my Dad in the last 5 years I am calling up companies he had accounts with. Laundry tends to be every Monday in my place.

Like Enig, I would be very interested in hearing your opinions. I just searched this nominees forum. It does NOT seem like you posted your predictions for the 2019 Inductees. I have a question. Are you the cool person I discussed Lloyd Price with 2 years ago? And Solomon Burke? If so you have nice knowledge of the 50s and 60s. I get confused there is so many people on here.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 07:58am


Hey Ben,

That may have been me. I certainly am a huge fan of Lloyd Price's music, and while not as huge, also a fan of Solomon Burke's. Also, I did post my prediction in recap form here, but also on my rockhallmonitors blog. I predicted 8 of the 15: Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, the MC5, Stevie Nicks, Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine, and the Zombies.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 09:21am


Now let’s take some time to see the ballot through somebody who belongs to either the Baby Boomer generation, or Generation Jones.

01. Def Leppard- i do know who they are. I am not really into them. I probably would not vote for them. No!

02. Devo- I only know ‘Whip It.’No!

03. Janet Jackson- There are already five members of her family in the Rock Hall; we do not need a sixth. What did she do besides lip synch, dance, expose her breasts, shake her behind and wear extremely revealing skirts? No!

04. John Prine- Who? I have never heard of him! No!

05. Kraftwerk- Who? I have never heard of them! No!

06. LL Cool J- Isn’t he an actor on television? Oh, he’s a rapper. Well, I don’t like rap! No!

07. MC5- Who? No!

08. Radiohead- Who, I have never heard of them. No!

09. Rage Against The Machine- Who? No, sorry but I have never heard of them. No!

10. Roxy Music- Who? I have never heard of them. No!

11. Rufus with Chaka Khan. I’ve heard of them, but they’re not Rock & Roll! No!

12. Stevie Nicks- Yes, I also like her work with Fleetwood Mac.
Yes!

13. Todd Rundgren? Who? No!

14. The Cure- I think that I may have heard of them. But, I haven’t heard them! No!

15. The Zombies- I’ve heard ‘Time Of The Season’ and ‘She’s Not There.’ Is that enough to qualify for the Rock Hall? No!


Overall, expect a huge amount of disinterest by the general public. Expect only those of Gen X and The Millenials to even be remotely interest in this ballot. Expect a low turnout for the ceremony! Expect to never see another critic’s ballot again!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 10:52am


Re: The 2019 Rock Hall Nominees List:

Overall, expect a huge amount of disinterest by the general public. Expect primarily those of Gen X and The Millenials to be even remotely interested in this ballot. Expect a low turnout for the ceremony. Expect to thankfully never see another critics’ ballot again! Expect to see a much more fan-oriented ballots for years to come! There are a few notable exceptions of course, but the majority of the people who have seen this particular ballot, said “Who Cares?” “ I do not!”

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 11:04am



Re: The 2019 Rock Hall Nominees List:

Overall, expect a huge amount of disinterest by the general public. Expect primarily those of Gen X and The Millenials to be even remotely interested in this ballot. Expect a low turnout for the ceremony. Expect to thankfully never see another critics’ ballot again! Expect to see much more fan-oriented ballots for years to come!

There are a few notable exceptions of course, but the majority of the people who have seen this particular ballot, said “Who Cares?” “We do not!”

Leave your own comment about the 2019 Nominees here.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 11:06am


Enig,

I have a feeling you're gonna be pissed with the Hall's picks in December. Lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 11:41am


I'm not going to bother with a prediction this year! It's complicated!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 11:41am


Timothy,

You are probably correct, but I am not alone in this. There is once again a great deal of disinterest among the “prog” community in this ballot. Over the past several years, I have seen my three favorite bands: (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues aka the “holy trinity” of prog) inducted, however outside of Stevie Nicks, most of the people who I know absolutely detest this ballot. It is a real shame since the prog community had definitely been onboard previously, but thus far I have seen no articles on any prog websites, with the exception of PROG Magazine even mentioning it.

It did not have to be this way, if Duran Duran, or Jethro Tull, or perhaps even King Crimson had appeared on this ballot, there would have been at least some interest on the part of the “prog” community. But with this list of nominees, we may as well go back to the dark ages. Of course, even my interest was waned considerably. I have one word for describing this ballot- disastrous.


Selling Roxy Music to a disinterested community is difficult. Outside of perhaps “Roxy Music,” “For Your Pleasure,” “Country Life,” “Siren” and “Avalon” and their Compilations, which rate 3.66 or higher, no Roxy Music albums have been deemed to be essential.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 13:47pm


Enig, you just listed 5 out of their 8 albums as being essential. I think that's a pretty decent run.

Posted by Greg P. on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 14:37pm


Depeche Mode was influenced by Kraftwerk. Nine Inch Nails was influenced by Depeche Mode. Linkin Park was influenced by Nine Inch Nails. Twenty One Pilots was influenced by Linkin Park

Kraftwerk
If it wasn't for Kraftwerk, all those bands would not exist. That also counts for every EDM and Dubstep artists, and every other new wave and synth-pop bands. You can't deny their massive influence on music.

Posted by Michael on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 17:04pm


Both Roxy Music and Kraftwerk are pretty influential.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 17:08pm


Enig,

I got to admit this is a tougher ballot than the usual. I do Expect Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks to be inducted. Those will be the ones of interest to the Public. Todd Rundgren is a great performer and Producer. He is a prediction. He replaced Roxy Music on my Inductee list. But I dont think the General Public will care much really. He has a good chance due to Votes. General public doesnt know him bery well. John Prine is real Good Singer/Songwriter. Most of the Public never heard of him. Im more priveleged. I do see Your point.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 19:39pm


"Expect primarily those of Gen X and The Millenials to be even remotely interested in this ballot." -Enig

You mean the audience that the Rock Hall is most trying to cultivate right now? Sounds like a smart move. 70s vanilla was well represented over the past several years. It's time to move on.

"There is once again a great deal of disinterest among the “prog” community in this ballot." -Enig

I wonder what the bottom of my shoe thinks about this ballot. That interests me more than the opinion of the delicate perpetual victims of the prog community.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 19:42pm


Ben,

As much as I love John Prine, I still don't understand why he got nominated, Yes, he's a great singer/songwriter, but he doesn't deserve induction IMO, I think his nomination should have gone to either Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, George Jones, Merle Haggard, Glen Campbell, Waylon Jennings, Conway Twitty, Buck Owens, Kris Kristofferson, Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris, Garth Brooks or Shania Twain as the Country/Americana name because they're all more deserving than him IMO, besides he's probably too obscure (like Los Lobos) to ever get inducted anyway, so in his place, I think you should pick LL Cool J alongside Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies and Janet Jackson (if six) as your predictions for this year's inductees, Thanks and Have a great night...

Posted by richie on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 20:03pm


Zuzu,

"Linda Ronstadt is the other inductee that is half Mexican and European. Deserving but does nor fit my criteria."

I don't quite understand where you are trying to go with that point. Half European tends to mean white. So you are looking for a 100 percent white female? Seems a little unnecessary. Ronstadt and Baez both could check off Hispanic Caucasian on a survey of their backgrounds. I know sometime it is hard to process, but a person can be of mixed heritage and consider themself part of both groups. Even then the following women went in over the last decade:

Joan Jett -2015
Ann Wilson - 2013
Nancy Wilson - 2013
Laura Nyro - 2012
Agnetha Faltskog - 2010
Frida Lyngstad -2010
Cynthia Weil - 2010
Ellie Greenwich - 2010
Wanda Jackson - 2009
Madonna -2008

I most likely missed someone. That is a ten years and ten white female nominees. In the same amount of time only Ronstadt, Baez, Summer, Claudette Robinson, Simone, and Tharpe have been included. A total of 6. Women are underrepresented in general. I don't think splitting hairs over their racial makeup does justice to any of the 50 female acts backlogged by the nom com.

" Last yeaCr 2 older African American women were inducted. Do we have any balance this year for white women?"

Few artists deserved the induction as much as Sister Rosetta Tharpe. She should have been included in the 1980s. You seem to be chasing after demographics here. What does the age of the artist have to do with anything? Rock has been around for generations now. Going back and filling in the holes should be something we applaud the Hall for.

Posted by Chris F. on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 20:06pm


Timothy,

Many apologies, I had needed to amend my previous statements.

You are probably correct, but I am not alone in this. There is once again a great deal of disinterest among the “prog” community in this ballot. Over the past several years, I have seen my three favorite bands: (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues aka the “holy trinity” of prog) inducted, however outside of Stevie Nicks, most of the people who I know absolutely detest this ballot. It is a real shame since the prog community had definitely been onboard previously, but thus far I have seen no articles on any prog websites, with the possible exception of PROG Magazine even mentioning it.

It did not have to be this way, if Duran Duran, or Jethro Tull, or perhaps even King Crimson had appeared on this ballot, there would have been at least some interest on the part of the “prog” community. But with this list of nominees, we may as well go back to the dark ages. Of course, even my interest has waned considerably. I have one word for describing this ballot- disastrous.


Unfortunately, selling Roxy Music to a disinterested community is difficult. Outside of perhaps “Roxy Music” and “For Your Pleasure,” which have been rated at 4.00 and above, no other Roxy Music recordings with the exception of their Compilation albums and one or two live recordings are deemed to be essential. Even though I happen to enjoy “Country Life,” “Siren” and “Avalon,” they had only been rated @ 3.66; “Stranded” had been rated @ 3.61 by the prog voters.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 20:32pm


Chris F.,

Just ignore her racial diatribe. Like I said, her only intent in this forum is to irritate. As long as you don't feed it, she'd probably won't comment.

Enig,

I understand what you're saying. Definitely not that much interest in prog rock this year (I'd say Todd Rundgren, but his career is more diverse than that).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 20:51pm


Holy shit, this is a ballot that just might resuscitate my interest in the RNRHOS! I'm being cautiously optimistic here, as past trends show how the nominating committee has made unforgivable blunders. My personal take on this year's ballot

Long overdue for induction, and simply too important to ignore:

Kraftwerk
Roxy Music
Devo
The Cure

Worthy choices:

Janet Jackson
MC5 (though I consider the New York Dolls a far bigger snub in the proto-punk genre, and enjoy far more than MC5)
Rufus with Chaka Khan
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren (primarily for his producing work, although his solo material has artistic merit, at least the glam rock/zolo period)
Radiohead

Like them, but not important enough for induction:

Def Leppard (only until Pyromania, after that, forget about it; I particularly enjoy Pyromania for Thomas Dolby's keyboard contributions)
The Zombies

No business being inducted:
Rage against the Septic Tank
Stevie Nicks
John Prine

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 20:52pm


Timothy,

This is one of the hardest group of nominees to predict for induction that I have seen. My guess would be LL Cool J, Janet Jackson, Def Leppard, MC5, Radiohead, and Stevie Nicks. Cool J is one of the first rappers to have mainstream success, and since rap is a popular form of music and LL one of its important early practitioners, I think he will and should make it. I say this even though I am not nor ever have been a rap fan.

Janet Jackson, having been a mainstream pop superstar is likely to get in soon, so this year could well be it. Def Leppard also was enormously successful, and with more hard rock acts making it in recently, it seems probable they will as well. MC5 were protopunk pioneers may finally be recognized as important enough by voters for induction. Radiohead was seen by many as the most significant band of their time, and may be deserving of getting in, and Stevie Nicks sold a lot of records.

Now, despite what I wrote before, I am not saying Nicks is completely undeserving of induction as a solo act. I have liked a fair amount of her solo work. But I find it extremely unfair that some outstanding artists that have been denied being nominated while artists who are in already are.

Posted by MarkTesla on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 20:57pm


Oh, and if the Hall wants my attention/respect back, they need to induct at least 3 of the following as Early Influences (a category in dire need of some additions who should have been included 30 years ago):

Wynonie Harris
Roy Brown
Big Jay McNeely (What a travesty that McNeely wasn't inducted during his lifetime; R.I.P., Big Jay)
The Ravens
Django Reinhardt
The Mills Brothers
Duke Ellington
Count Basie
Cab Calloway
Sonny Boy Williamson II
Lightnin' Hopkins
The Four Freshmen
Al Jolson (I'm not joking about Jolson, read my comments on the Jolie page here)

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 21:06pm


DarinRG,

When you appeal to only one particular demographic, you alienate the other demographics. It’s more widely known that those certain individuals, who are not necessarily extremely wealthy, tend to spend more of their disposable income. Although I cannot afford $10K to attend a Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony, many individuals who are my age, or slightly older definitely can. Does the Rock Hall really want to lose quite a bit of their revenue by appealing to younger voters who do not have the financial wherewithal to be able to afford those exorbitant prices? Probably not, but that is exactly what they are doing by pushing this ballot. :-P

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 21:18pm


Great discussion Ben and Zach. I think it's an interesting ballot and it would be difficult who the Final 5 or 6 Inductees will be. I think Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks are strong bets but after that I wouldn't bet my house or savings account.
ENIG
I was right about Duran Duran not being on the ballot list. They don't have enough advocates on the Nom Comm. It may be a few years. PROG has been well-represented with ELO, YES, Deep Purple, Moody Blues, etc in recent years. No need to be greedy PROG every year. Also some PROG Adjacent bands. I'm disappointed Procol Harum didn't make the list. They are 1 intelligent band with top notch music.
Ben, Philip, and Zach.
I'm thinking the RRHOF should have a limited ballot in 2019-2020. Maybe 12 artists. Vacuum up all of the 4x or 5x nominee types. Chaka, Kraftwerk, J.Gels Band, The Zombies, LL Cool J if not inducted in 2019. Add maybe 2 or 3 new bands to the list. It is obvious the RRHOF would like to see these bands inducted. Maybe using 1 year to gobble up most of them would be the ticket. Then, they can move forward with the 80's: Depeche Mode, The Cult, Bryan Adams, The Cure, Motley Crue, etc. What would you think about that idea of having a ballot mostly of multiple inductees to get them through? KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 21:48pm


King

Brilliant idea A HUGE GARBAGE DUMP BALLOT!!!!!

You obviously want to shut the hall down.

You need to read what the artist are saying.

They have been pushing 80s since 2000. Enough with the worst of the worst decade of music. Who was buying this garbage? Record sales took a big dump. It was all due to disco backlash. Record companies were scrambling. They were putting out any garbage they could grab. You think that this garbage belongs in the hall? FORGET IT!!!!

The hall can't even generate a whole page of interest any more and it is all due to the garbage you want dump in there.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 23:07pm


The Beatles farting got more interest.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 10/14/2018 @ 23:14pm


While I don't agree with her incoherent rants, I do agree that the idea of pushing all those bands in just to put them in would be a grave mistake. This ballot should serve best to take care of a couple of pioneering acts that both recognize previously unacknowledged genres (electronic and new wave), and put in a talented 70s songwriter and a popular rock band who both qualifies as genuine 80s metal and hair/arena rock. Oh, and Janet. That being said, it's a significant shift because we're trying to open the door to get more modern, with the 80s and 90s being on the horizon. Prog will get its due; so will more classic 70s and 80s bands. We need to resist the temptation to take some favorite from the nomcom's personal stash that is mediocre in retrospect (I'm talking to you J Geils Band). It's not my favorite ballot, but it's not the worst I've ever seen. A ballot like King proposes, no offense sir, would do far more damage to the RRHOF than any induction of a seemingly undeserving act would.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 00:40am


To clarify, I'm talking about this 2018/19 ballot to induct the likes of Kraftwerk, the Cure, or Roxy Music, and treat the 2020 noms the typical way, deserving bands, not retreads because the nomcom wants its pets to sip the champagne

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 00:52am


K-DAWG
Some good points K-Dawg. One of the problems though is the Nom Com keeps bringing back Chaka, J. Geils Band, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, The Zombies etc intent on their induction. That's 5 spots that could go to a deserving Alice In Chains, Duran Duran, The Cure, The Cult or X. It's a vicious cycle. They will keep bringing back these groups blocking other 80's groups from a rightful nomination. Until some of these 4x or 5x nominees are moved forward inducted, certain groups will not receive a nomination. Let's say they did a short 12 Nominee ballot with: Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J etc and a few new choices. Let's say Alice In Chains, The B-52's, and Iron Maiden. We will say 4 multi nominees are inducted. Depeche Mode,Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, and the new entry Iron Maiden. That still would be a nice class and clear some of the logjam. Yes, Chaka and J. Geils Band would fall short in this hypothetical ballot but clears some of the logjam. Better yet, they could announce a special 2 Induction Class Cycle For April 2020 and October 2020.
ZUZU-It is unfair to call it a Garbage Dump ballot. These groups are talented musicians. Some have been around 40 or 50 years. Kraftwerk is on most music critics and fans Top 10 snub list for their influence on electronic music and those who cite them as an influence. Peter Wolf is a dynamic frontman and J. Geils Band has some respect in their incredible life performances. LL Cool J was 1 of the rap communities 1st big stars at like 15 or 16 years old. What was most people doing at that age? Chaka has collaborated with some of the greatest artists in music. As you can see, some of the nominated artists have merit for induction. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 01:07am


I have seen many people post on this site their support for acts like Kate Bush and Roxy Music making the Hall of Fame. But I feel these artists did not make enough of an impact in America to warrant induction. Groups such as The Who, Led Zeppelin, and Elton John were successful and influential here as well in Britain and other countries. If Bush and Roxy were inducted, why not Stereophonics and Blur? Why not Slade and Status Quo? Why not Cliff Richard and Robbie Williams? Or Fremch superstar Johnny Halliday? Or Latin American giant Luis Miguel?

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 01:10am


So, my point is that for a Hall whose voters are mostly American, they must judge the importance and influence that artists have had in this country to have any relevance, in my humble opinion.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 01:15am


And yes, I know Roxy Music had a big hit in America with "Love Is The Drug", but still overall, not a Hall of Fame act.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 01:22am


Michael,

Regarding your list of artists, I would say that I would vote for Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, and possibly Motörhead. There are a lot of good groups on your list like No Doubt, the Go-Gos, and the B-52s. Beck and Bjork would be intriguing inductions. I have at least some familiarity with every act you mentioned.Except Social Distortion. While I like the Monkees, I just do not see them as Hall worthy. I doubt that Misfits, who I see as a punk/metal hybrid band, would ever be familiar enough to Hall voters to make it in.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 01:45am


Duran Duran, Eurythmics, and the Smiths will all eventually make the Hall of Fame.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 01:52am


KING, that's kind of what we have already. It's a 60-40 split, which is pretty common to how it goes, and most years, the first time nominees still end up comprising most of the inductees. I still say bigger classes are the answer. Zuzu postulates that it's the wrong artists being nominated; but with bigger classes you get through the alleged "garbage dump" quicker, and you're eventually forced to deal with the acts that she believes are the quality candidates, theoretically. Of course, it's also possible that the NomComm could show no shortage of acts that wouldn't pass muster with her either, but I think that'd be a much less likely possibility.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 02:52am


Philip,

Tell me the Date of your predictions for Inductees for 2019. I am talking about Inductees NOT Nominees. I read your Nominee picks a couple months ago. INDUCTEES. Inductees.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 09:18am


@MarkTesla,

Very interesting list! I agree with you about Janet and Stevie.

And judging on your later comments that the Hall has been American-centric, you've passed on the Zombies as well getting in at all...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 10:53am


Oh sorry Ben. I haven't made that post yet. And it'll be some time before I do.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 11:02am


Timothy Pernell,

Are your predictions for the 2019 inductees the same as before?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 11:12am


If you could kick out 2 bands from the 2019 ballot, who would it be? For me, it would be Def Leppard and Janet Jackson

Posted by Michael on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 12:06pm


Timothy,

I think the Zombies have a good shot at getting inducted. For some time I have been ambivalent as to whether or not they deserve to get in. I have liked their songs, but wonder if their impact was significant enough.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 12:53pm


Enig,

Are there any acts nominated this year that you personally like? I know that you are a big progressive rock guy. Although Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Jethro Tull are not on the ballot, sadly, which nominated acts would you vote for? Also, what non-prog artists in general would you place in the Hall if you could?

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 13:02pm


Michael,

My two would be Stevie Nicks, whose solo career just does not merit induction, and Rage Against The Machine, who do deserve it, but between the cronyism with Tom Morello and the potential ballot divide against Radiohead, could stand to sit out for a year.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 13:04pm


King

Under no circumstances does a certain person speak for me. This person has been told to back off and still thinks their big goal in life is to stalk me all over this forum.

Now I have defined a garbage dump ticket as one that contains mostly people who will not get votes, thus making it easy for a desired person to be inducted that would not have been if they had competition.

Go read what the artist say. There are people being inducted who should not be while those that deserve induction are sitting on the sidelines

20+ to get a nom for Chicago INEXCUSABLE!!!

What about Chubby Checker - A ROCK AND ROLL ICON

Kraftwerk - you are joking and the seme goes for MC5

J Geils Band important - only according propaganda put out by JW and Atlantic Records. Read up on Atlantic Record artist and the hall.

This is the ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

A bunch of kids with websites are not critics. Those kiddie lists have nothing to do with rock and roll.

Simple solution - get you own hall and induct you favorite artist there.

Record sales tanked in the 80s so why are so many being nominated?

This is not business as usual. These are signs of the halls death knells brought about by the nom com and people like you.

Take a look the hall can not even get a full page of interest.

The Beatles farting more than 50 years ago got more interest.

Wake up and smell the coffee!!

Unless the Voting body gets a handle on the nom com the hall is going to close.

Do you not read what former nom com members have said about pay for induction scams that hve been going on for decades?

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 13:22pm


If I could axe two, Stevie Nicks (as stated before, if someone is going to go in as a 2x female inductee, someone like Tina Turner would be much more deserving) and Devo (I'm sorry, I know they are much bigger than "Whip It" but with all the other significant genre bands like The Cure, Kraftwerk and Roxy Music on the ballot, they just are on here seemingly so that the Hall can say "oh look, we at least nominated them".

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 13:46pm


Zuzu,

In my opinion country artists whose careers impacted the music industry after 1970 should not be inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame. The Country Music Hall of Fame should be their home. Early influences like Hank Williams and artists who crossed to the mainstream before 1970 like Johnny Cash are appropriate for the Hall. That means Patsy Cline should be in as well. But artists like Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, and Garth Brooks should not.



Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 13:48pm


King

About Rufus

Joe Walsh said no

not only Chaka but you are forgetting Hawk Wolinski

I would love to see what the following artist have to say:

Mary Grebb
Jim Peterik
Kevin Cronin
Eric Clapton
Steve Winwood
and members of Chicago and Styx

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 13:56pm


Zuzu,

I agree with you that Chubby Checker is long overdue to be included in the Hall. And the J. Geils Band does not belong. Also Paul Anka and Peter, Paul, and Mary are overdue. And Pat Benatar!!!

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 13:57pm


Zuzu,

For the umpteenth time, I am not stalking you. I have been leaving you alone, but I'm addressing you now because this is ludicrous.

This is a forum dedicated to a hobby that we have in common: the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. This site is an excellent resource for people with that hobby, and I come here often. I check this site more often than my email. Not because I'm stalking anybody, but because that's how much I enjoy the discussions here, and with the exception of the conversations in the Album and Song Projects, I try to keep up on all the recent comments on this forum.

I have been leaving you alone, but when you make comments regarding a particular topic and put them out in the open, it's there for anyone to comment on. I was replying to KING, and the comment you had made was germane to the topic. I think it's absolutely fair game for me to include that point in my reply.

I've given you space, but I don't take orders from you. I am under no obligation to recuse and remove myself from any conversation because you chime in with something to say on the topic. I don't have to, and I'm not going to, leave the room when you walk in. And I'm never going to leave this forum altogether.

I wish to bury the hatchet, and I think there is a lot of good in what you say. But you condescend to and insult others who aren't looking for a fight. Anyone who disagrees with you is "a little boy," and when more than one person disagree with you, it's a "bully squad." No, no it's not.

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, by its very mission, honors those who help the perpetuation and EVOLUTION of rock and roll. By that very definition, there should and will be multiple generations of rock and roll. It doesn't stop existing just because baby boomers close their minds to new iterations. To quote Danny And The Juniors: rock and roll is here to stay; it will never die.

You want a ballot that is rid of "rejects"? Better include Chaka Khan, because whether solo or group, this is the fifth (I think) time she's been up for possible enshrinement. The difference between a snub and a reject is whether you think they're deserving or not.

Listen to what the artists say, unless they're saying stuff you disagree with. What Joe Walsh says matters, but not Gene Simmons or Robert Plant. Dave Davies of the Kinks took to Twitter to especially tout the cause of Nina Simone. Does his opinion no longer matter?

We're all guilty of having blindspots and cherrypicking. At least have the honesty to admit it.

And record sales dropping is a very narrow view of things. You have to consider the whole general economy at the time. If the entire national economy is struggling, the decline in record sales is not an unusual phenom, not if sales in everything from cars to toilet paper are going down.

Yes, there was a disco backlash, but it was as much manufactured as the backlash against the Beatles. That's why there's the 25 year rule: to give things time to be put in perspective.

As I said, I agree with you on more than most others here, so if you ever find it possible to let bygones be bygones and take down that two-car grudge, you might surprise yourself to find out.

But I can't make you, nor would I dream of trying. That's up to you. I'll go back to leaving you alone and *try* not to reply to any response you make to this, unless you ask me a question. I do it not because you "tell" me to (again, I don't take orders from you), but because I'm a lot less evil than you make me out to be.

Blessings on you and your oncological procedures.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 14:16pm


Mark

Johnny Cash has been inducted

Patsy Cline

Do not forget that outlaw country fused rock elements - so they belong

Kenny Rogers with the Fist Edition

Dottie West - look at who was jamming at Dotties.

Waylon Willie and Kris should be nominated as fellow Highwaymen JC has been

Jerry Reed
David Allen Coe

Re later country artist - I would make an exception with Sheryl Crow

Also do not forget Emmylou Harris

I agree with who you added but I would add a couple more.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 14:29pm


Commenting for me is not leaving me alone.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 14:32pm


ZUZU
On your multiple lists of deserving artists, I would support The Guess Who. They are talented musicians and had many great hits: American Woman, No Sugar Tonight, No Time, Share The Land, These Eyes, Undun etc. Burton Cummings a definite HOF talent. Excellent singer, he plays a flute, guitar, keyboards or piano. Also, BTO Bachman continued to perpetuate rock or move it forward. I'm also surprised Emmylou Harris has not been inducted. Incredible talent singing and guitar player. She's collaborated with just about every important musician from Gram Parsons to Mark Knopfler. Styx also is deserving Dennis DeYoung and Tommy Shaw definitely HOF talents. JY is very underrated. I do like Blue Collar Man and Too Much Time On Hands. Mr. Roboto has taken slings and arrows but I think it was #1 on the charts. Ahead of its time. Chubby Checker interests me. I think he would be a good Early Influence Candidate now. If Chubby Checker was placed on the ballot, I wonder if he would receive the votes. Chaka has influenced several female singers and collaborated with some great musicians. HONEST QUESTION: What it is about the British artists that you find lacking or not Hall Worthy? I hope you like Procol Harum. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 15:58pm


I know it might be beyond the scope of this message board, but am I one of a few that thinks Herman's Hermits is more deserving than the Zombies? They had a staying power and really did chart a few times. I don't know if they're considered Brit invasion, but they are British...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 16:19pm


King
Chubby Checker is a Rock and Roll Icon and under no circumstances is he early influence. That is ridiculous. The man deserves the chance to stand before his peers. I would wager he gets a lot more votes than you think. Chubby Checker made the Twist not the other way around.

My problem is acting as if the Brits dominated the 70s. They did not. Look at voting patterns. I must not be the only one to think this,

Both groups are scraping the bottom of the barrel for brit inv. There are more deserving garage bands. Tommy James and the Shondells deserve the chance to stand before their peers.

I would also add

The Buckinghams
American Breed and
Ides of Marc

But I would accept lifetime achievement for

Marty Grebb
Jim Peterik snd
Gary Loizzo

instead. All three have done more than in these garage bands to perpetuate rock and roll.

By the way look at REOs early work before you judge. Disco was the worst thing to happen to music.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 16:44pm


@K-Dawg,

In terms of their impact on The British Invasion and their series of hits in the '60s, they stand a better chance than the Zombies...

I mean I guess the only reason the Zombies are even getting acknowledged by the committee often is because one of their albums once made a Rolling Stone greatest album list.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 16:56pm


@richie,

Pretty much, though I'm starting to give some credence to Roxy Music because I feel Brian Eno needs to get in one way or another.

Otherwise, who I feel will get in (for the time being) still stands.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 17:00pm


Mark Tesla,

The problem with this ballot happens to be the lack of familiarity among the artists with the general populace. When the Rock Hall Nominating Committee had decided to forego nominating Duran Duran, in lieu of Roxy Music, they had made a mistake. Duran Duran stands on their own and have their own legacy. Duran Duran and Rush are similar due to the premise that they are both like “musical sponges.” Both of these bands have taken cues from earlier groups and have improved on their overall output. If Duran Duran had made the list, they would have been inducted and Roxy Music, would have followed them in. There are so many people who do not know who Roxy Music is, but they do know Duran Duran. Duran Duran has been popular for almost 4 decades. Can you say the same thing about Roxy Music? Probably not! Nonetheless, I will still support Roxy Music’s Induction, even though it seems to be an exercise in futility. I have no doubts whatsoever that Duran Duran consider themselves to be a major “prog” band, either.

If Duran Duran had received a nomination, I think that the members of the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) would have been onboardwith their induction. Quite a long time ago, Geddy Lee had supposedly said that they were a good group. This is high praise from one of the greatest musicians in music history. Geddy Lee had also said that “Alex Lifeson had wanted to dress like Simon Le Bon.” singling out one particular member of a band, happens to make that band an influence. Not to mention, that both Neil Peart and Roger Taylor had both played Simmons electronic drums. Although Roxy Music is long overdue for induction, I think that Duran Duran would have definitely been a shoo-in. By the way, Duran Duran are fifth on my list of favorite artists. I cannot say the same thing for Roxy Music, unfortunately.

Jethro Tull has long been hailed as one of Geddy Lee’s favorite bands. The members of Heart were also supposedly influenced by Jethro Tull. Additionally, the members of The Moody Blues are friends of Ian Anderson. Plus, the general populace know who Jethro Tull is and would have voted for them. Jethro Tull happens to be 7th on my list of favorite artists.

ELP is a tougher sell; they had been rivals of Yes. Rush had been influenced by them as well and of course, they are probably King Crimson’s biggest offshoot. The late Keith Emerson had been one of, if not the greatest “prog” keyboardist. The late Greg Lake had been a great vocalist and composer. Carl Palmer is undoubtedly one of the greatest drummers of all time. However, quite a bit of their music is very dark and somewhat inaccessible.

King Crimson is an extremely important band in “prog,” they are fourth on my list of favorite artists and their overall influence on music is absolutely huge. However, neither Rush, nor Yes, nor Genesis, nor King Crimson, nor ELP, nor numerous other bands would have existed without The recently enshrined Moody Blues. So, the “holy trinity” is extremely important and their influence moves far beyond “prog.”

I hope that this answers your question.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 18:49pm


Mark Tesla,

Many apologies, I had needed to modify the first sentence of the second paragraph.

If Duran Duran had received a nomination, I think that the members of the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) would have been fully onboard with their induction.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 18:57pm


Perhaps even more baffling is the exclusion of Procol Harum. Procol Harum is one of the co-founders of “prog.” Yes, I know that ‘A Whiter Shade Of Pale,’ had been inducted in the Singles Category earlier this year, but Procol Harum’s lack of a nomination in almost indefensible. In addition to The Moody Blues and Jefferson Airplane, Procol Harum had been a nascent influence on Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 19:08pm


KING,

I would also support the Guess Who and BTO, though I wouldn't put them on the same ballot, lest they divide against each other. "Bus Rider" is an underrated gem, and though I don't find it very profound, "Albert Flasher" is an infectious bit of back-and-forth rock'n'roll. The Guess Who were nominated for the Vocal Group Hall Of Fame, and had that hall not gone defunct, I think they'd have made it eventually. I would've used "Share The Land" for them on that disc set.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 19:40pm


Perhaps even more baffling is the exclusion of Procol Harum. Procol Harum is one of the co-founders of “prog.” Yes, I know that ‘A Whiter Shade Of Pale,’ had been inducted in the Singles Category earlier this year, but Procol Harum’s lack of a re-nomination in almost indefensible. In addition to The Moody Blues and Jefferson Airplane, Procol Harum had been a nascent influence on Rush. Oh by the way, if Procol Harum had been on this list; they would have probably been inducted.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 19:56pm


I am hoping for:

Devo
Radiohead
The Zombies
Def Leppard
The Cure

Posted by The Mo-Ja'al on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 19:59pm


I am hoping for Def Leppard and MC5. And Pat Benatar, Chubby Checker, The Spinners, Jethro Tull, the Guess Who, Foreigner, Stone Temple Pilots, and Smashing Pumpkins are waiting.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 20:20pm


My revised predictions for this year's inductees(if six):

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

As much as I love Stevie Nicks, I just don't think that her solo career merits induction, and she'll also be hurt by the Lindsey Buckingham controversy that's happening right now, plus, if Sting couldn't get in as a solo artist in 2015, then I doubt Nicks can despite her being in second place in the fan vote and her massive influence on women musicians, I really hope Stevie doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone.

As far as Radiohead, the Hall doesn't want a repeat of last year's Dire Straits situation so I think that Radiohead's continued apathy towards the Hall will keep them out again this year.

As for Roxy Music, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think that they're going to be hurt by the fact that they were more popular overseas than they were in America, and as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't mean an automatic induction, plus they might be too British for American voters, if Kate Bush and The Smiths couldn't get in, then I doubt Roxy Music can despite Brian Eno's many connections in the music industry and their massive influence.

As for other acts (Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan). they don't have much of a chance this year, so I don't think it's their year sadly.

I still don't understand why John Prine got nominated, Yes, he's a great singer/songwriter, but like Stevie Nicks, he doesn't deserve induction IMO, I think his nomination should have gone to either Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, George Jones, Merle Haggard, Glen Campbell, Waylon Jennings, Conway Twitty, Buck Owens, Kris Kristofferson, Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris, Garth Brooks or Shania Twain as the Country/Americana name because they're all more deserving than him IMO, besides he's probably too obscure (like Los Lobos) to ever get inducted anyway.

Those are my thoughts.

Posted by richie on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 20:22pm


Phillip,

The Guess Who is long overdue. A case can be made for BTO as well.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 20:22pm


richie,

Rage Against The Machine will make it in the next few years. They were considered pioneers at mixing hard rock with rap. I don't John Prine will make it.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 20:27pm


Enig,

The way you feel about Procol Harum is the exact same way I feel about Chubby Checker. "The Twist" isn't even my favorite record by him. "Let's Twist Again" is extremely fun. "Dancing Party" may be a rip-off of the "A Night With Daddy G" composition, but it's still a great set of lyrics to fit the mood of that melody. "She Wants T'Swim" is so catchy, and the background singers really augment it, as do the Tokens backing Chubby on "Lovely, Lovely (Loverly, Loverly)." And "Let's Limbo Some More" might be my favorite song of all by Mr. Evans, so I'd really like to see him bust out of the back door and re-enter through the proper front door.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 20:39pm


Richie

I think they were too chicken to go with Steve Goodman or Jimmy Buffett.

John Prine is a lot more influential than you realize. He will get in under the radar like Leonard Cohan. He is a musician's musician.

Johnny Cash covered Sam Stone. If you want to find out more check out the Old Town School of Music.

You never heard Angel From Montgomery? He wrote that song.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 20:47pm


KING,

I agree with you on Styx and Chaka Khan. They both should make it in.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 20:51pm


Enig,

So do you feel Pat Benatar , Styx, or The Guess Who, deserve induction? How about Chubby Checker or Devo?

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 20:55pm


Phillip,

Many people don't realize that Chubby Checker had many other big hits besides The Twist. And that's a major reason that he should be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 20:59pm


It would be interesting to see some of you list artists that were inducted into the Hall who you feel do not belong. I'll go with Randy Newman and solo Ringo Starr.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 21:03pm


But what about Billy Idol?

Posted by Michael on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 21:48pm


It would be interesting to see some of you list artists that were inducted into the Hall who you feel do not belong. I'll go with Randy Newman and solo Ringo Starr.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10.15.18 @ 21:03pm

--------------------------------------------------

Rock Hall inductees I don't feel are worthy of being inducted, or at least very weak candidates...

Duane Eddy (1994)
Buffalo Springfield (1997)
Lloyd Price (1998)
Del Shannon (1999) (sorry Phillip)
The Moonglows (2000)
The Dells (2004)
Percy Sledge (2005) (worst inductee of the HOF)
Bobby Womack (2009)
Dr. John (2011)
Darlene Love (2011)
Cat Stevens (2014) (borderline)
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band (borderline)


As far as the Ringo Starr induction. If he had been inducted as an actual Performer, then I'd agree his candidacy would be extremely weak. But beings he was put in under "Musical Excellence," I think it's warranted. He himself, is one of the most influential drummers in rock history. He's probably the most prolific session drummer that no one mentions or thinks about. He's performed on so many albums for so many different artists over the years once the Beatles were done. I think the Musical Excellence category was much more fitting for him than his career as an actual solo performer.

In regards to the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, I don't think their work as a whole is Hall worthy, however, there were many members of the band that were great musicians and I was happy to see get an induction of some sorts (Paul Butterfield, Mike Bloomfield, Elvin Bishop, etc) and that was really the best way to get them all inducted.

Of all the artists I mentioned, Cat Stevens had the strongest career, and he has some classic songs, but I do feel he's a bit overrated. When it comes to singer-songwriters, I think someone like Harry Nilsson was far more talented, and ones like Gram Parsons and Nick Drake were more influential and innovative.

Buffalo Springfield had two really good albums and one of the best songs ever ("For What It's Worth") but they're in the HOF simply because artists in the band went on to become big stars, namely Neil Young and Stephen Stills (as well as the other guys going on to form Poco).

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 22:11pm


John Prine could be this year's Laura Nyro, don't count him out so much.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 23:17pm


Follower,

Laura Nyro took three nominations to get in. This is Prine's first.






Maybe you meant this year's Tom Waits? ;)

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 23:22pm


Donnie, Buffalo Springfield is more than that. They have a great legacy. They performed at Woodstock. They have several great songs which have become classic rock staples (my favorite being Bluebird). Do yor research.

Posted by The Mo-Ja'al on Monday, 10/15/2018 @ 23:24pm


Zulu,

Yes,I know that Johnny Cash has already been inducted, but my point is that he is type of Country artist that should have been. Either an early influence or in the next wave of performers

Posted by MarkTesla on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 00:34am


Richie,

Yeah I've been pulling away from a possibility of Stevie getting in and Lindsay's lawsuit will definitely hamper things as well. Someone said Stevie's nomination was spearheaded by the #metoo movement too. So definitely something political is going on.

Def Leppard also has pulled in a lot of votes so it'll be hard to dispute they will make it in. They are all but confirmed inductees at this point.

I still don't think John Prine, as beloved as he is, will be inducted this year. How many singer-songwriters got in right away anyway besides maybe Donovan and Bill Withers? Laura Nyro had three tries. Least induct Jim Croce before you think of inducting Prine, Hall of Fame!

I just voted Roxy Music for the second time but you may be right about their chances of getting in not being so hot.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 01:35am


@MarkTesla,

Yeah I'm still angry about the Percy Sledge one. I can see why folks are mad Chubby Checker is passed over but Percy gets inducted. I think I know the culprit of this: Rolling Stone...and the eras those two were brought up in.

Early on, Chubby Checker had a lot of things stacked against him as far as the Hall of Fame is concerned: he basically started out as a novelty artist (strike one), his biggest hit was a flat out swagger jacked version of the original by the Midnighters (strike two), he was the biggest star of an era dominated by teenyboppers like Fabian and Paul Anka (strike three).

Despite The Twist starting a revolution in dance music and rock and roll and despite being a big hit maker, Chubby had always been looked at as a joke and his failure to compete with soul and R&B artists as time went on didn't help his chances of being taken seriously by the music industry.

Despite all of that, he makes the credentials of being in the Hall but I don't think they'll ever give him the time of day.

Percy Sledge had the advantage of coming in at the right place at the right time when he put out When a Man Loves a Woman. There was the Ahmet Ertegun connection (signed with Atlantic), a big soul music revolution was happening, and songs like his quickly became classics.

Both Twist and When a Man Loves a Woman are equally played a lot by music listeners but this is where Rolling Stone steps in. Little Steven can deny it all he wants but Percy Sledge being honored by that magazine (not to mention Dave Marsh's influence) is one big reason why you see Percy Sledge's face in the Hall and not someone who can actually call himself an actual (early) rock artist like Chubby Checker.

Chubby's version of The Twist basically helped to keep rock and roll on top when it was going through a crisis. You'd think because of Percy's RRHOF bio that WAMLAW was enough to get him into the Hall, then why isn't The Twist enough to enshrine Chubby as a rock immortal?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 01:47am


Mark

First off stop disrespecting me and get my name right. Yes it really is my name - well the the Polish variant. But it was what my Polish born grandmother called me.


This is early rock and roll so why do you kids keep saying early influence. JC is also part of the outlaws. This was 70s fusion. Whether you kids like it or not Country was a strong element in Rock and Roll through the decades. You want early influence - you have the Carter Family.

The rock and roll era officially starts in 1955.

The hall got a lot of flack for what they did to Pete Seeger.

Zuzu

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 05:58am


Zuzu,

I apologize about addressing you incorrectly. It is a feature of my iPhone. When I type in your name, my phone attempts to correct it to what it think I meant to type. So it changes Zuzu to Zulu, something far more familiar. This very thing happened again as I typed this post. So, again, sorry about that.



Posted by MarkTesla on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 08:55am


Timothy,

I enjoyed your last post. I never knew about any controversy concerning Percy Sledge being inducted as opposed to Chubby Checker. You've given me some insight as to why Chubby is regarded as he is today.

Posted by MarkTesla on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 09:12am


Mark Tesla,

Yes, to Pat Benatar, Styx and The Guess Who. I do not know enough about Chubby Checker, or Devo to make an informed opinion. I am terribly sorry about that.

Philip,

It’s good to see that you made the extraordinary effort to make a preliminary statement about the Nominees. Thank you.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 09:47am


Donnie,

I certainly agree with you about the Paul Butterfied Blues Band not deserving to be in the Hall. But I adore Cat Stevens' music!

Posted by MarkTesla on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 11:02am


For Devo fans,

Can you tell us why Devo belongs in the Hall of Fame? I'll admit I have heard only 2 Devo songs, their hit "Whip It" of course, and "Freedom of Choice". I have always considered them a one hit wonder, but I'll keep an open mind. Let's hear you extol Devo's virtues.

Posted by MarkTesla on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 11:12am


Philip,

Please tell me the Date of your 2019 Inductee Inductee nominees. Date and Time. It has to be Oct. 9 or after.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 11:34am


"For Devo fans,

Can you tell us why Devo belongs in the Hall of Fame? I'll admit I have heard only 2 Devo songs, their hit "Whip It" of course, and "Freedom of Choice". I have always considered them a one hit wonder, but I'll keep an open mind. Let's hear you extol Devo's virtues."

They're one of the most influential New Wave bands ever. There are a lot of names who are fans of them: Hot Hot Heat, Polysics, Populäre Mechanik, Add N to (X), Ausmuteants, Blaqk Audio, Cabbage, Chicks on Speed, Damaged Bug, Distractor, Enon, Ima Robot, Lazer Crystal, Man or Astro-man?, Necrofix, Sushirobo, The Aquabats, The Faint, The Fever, The Hentchmen, The Rentals, They Might Be Giants, Titanic Sinclair, Total Control, Weird Al Yankovic and Whirlwind Heat.

Just because you have only heard one song by them on a regular radio rotation doesn't mean they're a "one-hit wonder." If you're gonna use that term as an insult, then save it for Justin Bieber.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 11:50am


@MarkTesla Devo was one of the pioneers of new wave and alternative music. Also, Whip It isn't even their best song, it's Girl U Want.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 11:56am


Funny thing i that it is the name of one of the characters in Ir's a Wonderful Life

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 12:10pm


To The Dude and Michael,

I appreciate your responses. Could you gentlemen list 3 or 4 albums by Devo that would represent Devo at their very best?

Posted by MarkTesla on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 12:13pm


new wave is not considered rock and roll. It does not speak well for Devo's chances

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 12:23pm


IMO, The Carter Family isn't influential enough. They only got popular because of Johnny Cash.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 12:28pm


@Zuzu New Wave is rock. Punk is rock. Metal is rock. Progressive Rock is rock. Just because that record store you visited in the 70's that had metal and the others split into different sections DOES NOT MEAN IT'S NOT ROCK. There is tons of subgenres that came from rock. You can't put records from Moody Blues, Sex Pistols, Depeche Mode, and Metallica into the same row. That's too confusing! That's why they're split into other areas. Also, REO Speedwagon and Styx is rock, I don't know if you knew that.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 12:36pm


If new wave is not rock and roll, why are the Cars in? New Wave is the beginning of alternative rock, which paved the way for Nirvana and the grunge era. The Cure should be going in, and Depeche Mode should have gone in a couple years ago. There are a few other bands who are also more than deserving, but these are the glaring omissions. Zuzu, you seem to be well-educated on the genre you choose to like (50s-60s rock and pop of the era), but the assertions that nothing good came out after 1965 is just mind-boggling

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 12:36pm


Chubby Checker turned the Twist into a cultural phenomenon. Anybody on the nom com that thinks this should not count needs to be shown the door. Anybody who does not realize that the most important thing about rock and roll is that it was a cultural phenomenon.

The game twister came from the song. There was also an exercise board on a lazy susan type contraption called twister. The dance was popular for 3 years.Do not forget that the Beatles did a twist song.

The Pony
Limbo Rock
The Freddie

If you do not get why the man is so important - just the fact that you keep hearing his name says that the man deserves his day before his peers. They would know.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 12:42pm


That's not The Twist.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 12:55pm


The Twist is that Chubby Checker will never be inducted as a Performer. And if he does get in, he will be an Early Influence and he'll get in the year 2030.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 13:06pm


New wave is indeed rock lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 13:22pm


Not exactly sure of where to post this, as it doesn't really pertain to the 2019 nominees, but this page is the non-project related page that seems to have the most eyes on it, so I'm posting it here.

I was on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame website perusing through the inductee pages when I noticed some "irregularities" regarding which band members were inducted. The first I noticed was that Glouster "Nat" Rogers was missing from the inductee page for Little Anthony and the Imperials. This could've been a simple mistake, as the page surely has several typos on other pages (for example - on the Clash's page, Topper Headon is simply listed as "Nicky" and on the Famous Flames's page, Stallworth is listed as just "Baby."

But then I noticed something odd. The Midnighters page now includes Billy Davis as an inductee, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts includes Kenny Laguna as an inductee, and Booker T. and the M.G.'s has Billy Lee Riley newly added as well.

This wasn't just with the Performer acts either, as influence inductee The Ink Spots now includes Jerry Daniels and most strange of all, Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys is now simply listed as Bob Wills, ignoring the likes of Tommy Duncan, Leon McAuliffe, Johnny Gimble, Jody Holley, Tiny Moore, Herb Remington, Eldon Shamblin, and Al Stricklin.

It's one thing to forget or misspell a name, as with the Imperials, Famous Flames, & the Clash, but to actually ADD new names and remove EIGHT names? Could it just be crappy webpage designing?

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 13:26pm


Ben,

Haven't communicated with you for a while. Who, in your opinion are the artists not in the Hall but are most deserving to be?

Posted by MarkTesla on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 13:32pm


They're always inconsistent with stuff, and they seem to pick and choose their artists based on a coin flip, most noticeably with Bob Welch and Fleetwood Mac. That being said, if they're going to include anyone, Steve Miller's band should be there--and change the damn name to "The Steve Miller Band" the way it should be, please.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 13:33pm


@MarkTesla "Q:Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!" and "Freedom Of Choice."

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 13:49pm


Michael,

Thanks, I will check those albums out.

Posted by MarkTesla on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 13:52pm


For me the most glaring snub of band members is the fact that The Wailers still aren't in even though Bob Marley has been for years. No doubt Marley is a global superstar who deserves a spotlight, but he didn't generally perform as a solo singer/songwriter - there were a lot of musicians helping to make and fill out his music.

Many people have noted the absence of Peter Tosh who also went on to be a solo crossover star who influenced the late 70s sound of The Rolling Stones and Keith Richards' solo music - but anybody listening to those early Wailers recordings must recognize how important the entire musical unit was to their sound (hell just listen to the Record Plant live recording from 1973 and listen to how freakishly tight the band was in holding down those grooves). Bunny Wailer, Ashton Barrett, Carlton Barrett, Earl Lindo, Tyrone Downie, the I-Threes (Rita Marley, Judy Mowatt, and Marcia Griffiths), Al Anderson, Alvin Patterson, and Junior Marvin all deserve to be in the Hall based on their work as part of the Wailers. There were others as well that were more brief members or from early incarnations of the band, but I believe those were not as historically important as these members I mention.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 14:28pm


K-Dawg & Shrek,

Right, I agree with you guys, ad for whatever (stupid) reason, Welch, the Wailers, etc. were not inducted. But what I'm saying is that the acts I listed were inducted with certain lineups and yet now they're either adding new names or removing already established ones. The Bob Wills vs. Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys is the most egregious one, in my opinion.

With Booker T. and Billy Lee Riley, Riley's only connection seems to only be that the M.G.'s "formed" backing for him during a session.

Maybe I'm mistaken and I simply don't remember these names being inducted with their bands, which is why I wanted to check here with my fellow Rock Hall followers. The Hall certainly makes some boneheaded decisions with lineups - just look at ELO's snubbed members.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 14:47pm


I just went to Joan Jett & the Blackhearts' page and I thought Kasim Sulton was inducted as a member, but his name isn't on there...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 14:55pm


The fan vote standings are interesting...

I feel like votes this year are coming at a quicker pace than normally. I imagine if the top six all gets over 100,000 votes, would they break protocol and include the sixth one as part of one ballot if there are over 100k?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 14:59pm


They've never inducted all of the fan vote top five, just always have inducted the #1 choice, so far. Going beyond five inductees seems to be a matter of either very close votes (their claims) or making sure they dip down to grab a committee favored direction (what we all perceive to be the truth).

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 15:05pm


Donnie, Buffalo Springfield is more than that. They have a great legacy. They performed at Woodstock. They have several great songs which have become classic rock staples (my favorite being Bluebird). Do yor research.

Posted by The Mo-Ja'al on Monday, 10.15.18 @ 23:24pm

------------------------------------------------

Do my research?

Buffalo Springfield didn't perform at Woodstock, they had already broken up by that point. They broke up in 1968 after releasing their two albums. Neil Young had already begun his solo career in 1969 and Stephen Stills joined up with Graham Nash and David Crosby to form Crosby, Stills, & Nash. Shortly after their formation, Neil Young joined them as well, and it was that group (Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young) who performed at Woodstock, although in the film you don't see Neil Young, because he did not want to be shown in the film.

Maybe you should do your research sir. :)


As for their induction in the Hall, I do acknowledge I'm more in the minority of the opinion that they're not Hall worthy, so I don't begrudge anyone for thinking they're worthy. But I feel like their career was too brief and they weren't foundational enough on their own to merit induction. Again, I stand by the idea that they're in because Stephen Stills and Neil Young specifically got their start in the group. Just my opinion.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 15:24pm


Donnie
I agree with you on Buffalo Springfield. Only reason they're in because of Stills and Young went on to have long and successful music careers. Say these guys were named Art Smith and Jimmy White. Maybe, a few guys with limited music success. Would they be inducted? I think Not. I respect groups like Def Leppard, Duran Duran, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest,The Cure etc. They have been working and touring a steady 40-50 years. Scorpions have been around since the mid 60's. When Scorpions were starting out, RFK, Martin Luther King Jr, Jimmy Hendrix, Jim Morrison etc were all still alive. That's a long time ago.
ZUZU
Sorry, I forgot to mention Tommy James & The Shondells. They made some tremendous songs. Crimson And Clover, Crystal Blue Persuasion, I Think We Are Alone Now, Mony Mony, etc. So many music artists have covered their songs (Billy Idol, Joan Jett, Tiffany). Tommy James & The Shondells should be in IMHO. Tommy James comes across as a good guy in the times I've seen him talking. It was nice of Joan Jett to include Tommy James when she was inducted singing Crimson & Clover.
I find it strange Steve Miller and Bob Seger were inducted without their bands. They helped with their unique sound. Hope they fix it soon. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 16:04pm


@Shrek,

I see.

But yeah, I've noticed that all of the time, the #1 pick always gets inducted. But the top 5 is a question mark. Like the Cure is #3 but the total votes may still keep them out. Even Stevie is not a surefire bet as she was when the nominations were announced.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 18:23pm


@Donnie,

Yeah I always believed the only reason BS got in was due to Stephen Stills and Neil Young were in the group.

@King,
Tommy James and the Shondells should've been in a long time ago. I'm surprised Paul Schaffer (why is HE a Rock Hall committee member???) and Little Steven haven't cheerlead for them yet? Or maybe Little Steven has and he keeps getting blocked?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 18:26pm


Mark Tesla,

That is a good question you ask. Some are nominees Right Now and many are NOT.

John Prine
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies
Judy Collins
The Cure
Jethro Tull
Dave Matthews Band
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner
Steve Winwood
Emerson,Lake and Palmer
The Guess Who
The B52s
Blood,Sweat and Tears
Duran Duran
The Pixies
The Replacements
Kansas
Glen Campbell

There you go. You asked there are 20 Deserving Acts.











Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 19:14pm


"I was on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame website perusing through the inductee pages when I noticed some "irregularities" regarding which band members were inducted. The first I noticed was that Glouster "Nat" Rogers was missing from the inductee page for Little Anthony and the Imperials. This could've been a simple mistake, as the page surely has several typos on other pages (for example - on the Clash's page, Topper Headon is simply listed as "Nicky" and on the Famous Flames's page, Stallworth is listed as just "Baby."

But then I noticed something odd. The Midnighters page now includes Billy Davis as an inductee, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts includes Kenny Laguna as an inductee, and Booker T. and the M.G.'s has Billy Lee Riley newly added as well.

This wasn't just with the Performer acts either, as influence inductee The Ink Spots now includes Jerry Daniels and most strange of all, Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys is now simply listed as Bob Wills, ignoring the likes of Tommy Duncan, Leon McAuliffe, Johnny Gimble, Jody Holley, Tiny Moore, Herb Remington, Eldon Shamblin, and Al Stricklin.

It's one thing to forget or misspell a name, as with the Imperials, Famous Flames, & the Clash, but to actually ADD new names and remove EIGHT names? Could it just be crappy webpage designing?"

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 20:03pm


Ben,

That is quite a list. By the way, are there any current Hall of Famers that you would expel if you could?

Posted by MarkTesla on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 20:04pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqSU5_WGozA

I was on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame website perusing through the inductee pages when I noticed some "irregularities" regarding which band members were inducted. The first I noticed was that Glouster "Nat" Rogers was missing from the inductee page for Little Anthony and the Imperials. This could've been a simple mistake, as the page surely has several typos on other pages (for example - on the Clash's page, Topper Headon is simply listed as "Nicky" and on the Famous
Flames's page, Stallworth is listed as just "Baby."-
Posted by Steve Z

Gloster

But then I noticed something odd. The Midnighters page now includes Billy Davis as an inductee, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts includes Kenny Laguna as an inductee, and Booker T. and the M.G.'s has Billy Lee Riley newly added as well.

This wasn't just with the Performer acts either, as influence inductee The Ink Spots now includes Jerry Daniels and most strange of all, Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys is now simply listed as Bob Wills, ignoring the likes of Tommy Duncan, Leon McAuliffe, Johnny Gimble, Jody Holley, Tiny Moore, Herb Remington, Eldon Shamblin, and Al Stricklin.

It's one thing to forget or misspell a name, as with the Imperials, Famous Flames, & the Clash, but to actually ADD new names and remove EIGHT names? Could it just be crappy webpage designing?"

Despite the errors, Glouster "Nate" Rogers , one of the 5 original Imperials, was indeed inducted (see the YouTube video link above) Lloyd Stallworth, known as "Baby Lloyd" because he was the youngest member of The Famous Flames ,was also inducted. The HoF needs to fix those errors. Also, in the case of the Midnighters, Billy Davis is inducted . but the surviving members , Norm Thrasher, and Lawson Smith (Abdul Bin-Asad) acknowledged on the HBO telecast, that Original Midnighters member Alonzo Tucker , the man who actually FOUNDED the group, was inexplicably SNUBBED . Tucker , after leaving the group, went on to be a successful independent songwriter , having co -written several hits for Jackie Wilson , including the smashes BABY WORKOUT , and DOGGIN' AROUND, and songs by numerous other artists.
This snub needs to be FIXED .
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/alonzo-tucker-mn0000016569

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 20:22pm


For Janet Jackson, Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks fans, why should they be in the hall of fame?? I honestly don't understand why people want them in

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 21:54pm


"IMO, The Carter Family isn't influential enough. They only got popular because of Johnny Cash. " This might be the single most clueless comment I've ever read on the internet and what has it got to do with the 2019 nominees?

Posted by dana on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 22:04pm


@michael

I'm only really a fan of one of the artists you picked with that you're dumbfounded with:

Def Leppard - because Bon Jovi is in... plus people wanna see them perform Pour Some Sugar on Me and Rock of Ages because... WHY NOT!? :)

Janet - if they can induct Madonna, plus Control and Rhythm Nation are some of the greatest albums of all time, also she's considered one of the first real music video superstars (and we can't forget Michael is in)... she's also one of the few pop stars who has done rock (not a full rock album of course), plus she also fit the rock and roll aesthetic of controversy with some of her recordings and videos much like Madonna and MJ.

Stevie - I still don't get this and I say this as someone who thinks the entire Bella Donna album is classic and loves Fleetwood Mac. Like I wouldn't be against her induction at all but this is one I'm scratching my head about when they keep on passing Pat Benatar. Strange.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 23:05pm


Mark Tesla,
There sure are some Current Hall of Famers I would expel. NOW TO be fair. A lot of these acts dont have to really be expelled for good. Just temporarily expelled unti later on. I like being Fair. But there is acts that got inducted before Chicago, ELO, Yes, the Moody Blues and Jethro Tull.
Here we go.

Percy Sledge
Abba
Darlene Love
Dr. John
The Faces
Hall & Oates


Thats the list of acts that can be TEMPORARILY expelled until later on.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 23:17pm


I'd only eliminate Percy Sledge from the Hall. Have Freddie King and Miles Davis switch places.

Why do people want Janet Jackson in? Because she spent about three decades making music and was very popular. She had a lot of hits, was iconic enough to be relevant 3 decades, and had a crew behind her that was influential. The artists with the most hits that aren't in the hall are pop divas cut from a similar cloth, but Janet Jackson predates them all. She's received almost every other music related award under the sun, why not the Rock Hall? (Also, four of her brothers are in the Hall, so if they bother to vote, they will vote for her, probably.)


As for Def Leppard: They are associated with the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, like Judas Priest. They made two albums that sold over 10 million copies, including the one that de-throned Thriller on the chart. They had a legendary producer, and a more accessible sound than most metal bands. Also, their drummer has one arm!

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 10/16/2018 @ 23:31pm


For the record, Judas Priest put out their first album, "Rocka Rolla" in 1974, and had 5 studio albums and one live album already released before the NWOBHM happened. Def Lepperd, yes, were a part of it. Young, they were, 18-19 years old at the time, I believe. Both are deserving of induction, JP should be first, but it looks like Lepperd will make it in ahead of them, with this group.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 00:34am


Ben, I'm not sure what you're asking. I haven't made any prediction for the 2019 inductees, and I thought you were talking about the 2019 nominees, which I recapped on the nominees discussion thread and posted on my blog. But I've made no post about actually predicting the nominees yet. And I don't operate on a timeline or deadline. I get my thoughts up when I do.

Enig, glad you liked the preliminary thoughts. Just publishing those cursory notions helps me to focus and zero in more for the upcoming merits, tastes, and predictions posts to come. As for extraordinary effort, well, yesterday was a very productive day, but I don't wanna bore anyone with the little details of my life. But I am pretty proud that my state branch of our national union asked me to write an article for our state's autumnal newsletter. Got a polished draft off to our state secretary-treasurer who chairs the newsletter's board. So, it's small potatoes, and yet I'm pretty happy about it.

And that I got the preliminary thoughts up. lol

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 00:54am


@ Timothy, I read an article earlier today in UCR on why Judas Priest was not nominated this year. It said they did not score well last year in the final voting, after doing well in the fan voting. So they decided to nominate Def Lepperd instead. The story it was derived from is listed here in Rock Hall News. DEVO was nominated because Dave Grohl is a big fan, Paul Shaffer is pushing for The Zombies. Little Steven has been advocating for Procol Harum every year, and David Fricke has been trying for the Guess Who. The group of women on the committee went for Stevie Nicks after debating over possibles, Pat Benatar, The Go-Go's, Eurythmics, and Cindi Lauper.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 01:29am


I wonder what the fan vote would look like if people were required to cast all five votes. If you go there now you can just vote for Def Leppard like so many other people do.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 02:34am


I do want to beg to differ something I keep seeing about Def Leppard. They are being called a band that is getting in that capitalizes just because they are a heartthrob group, a la Bon Jovi. Def Leppard does have some real roots in heavy metal. There is not one song on Hysteria that does not kick arse. Rick Allen is such an inspirational story, what he has done with one arm. And he NEVER shows it off. This is a group that I have loved for 30 years, and definitely belongs among the rock legends in the Hall.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 03:00am


I do want to beg to differ something I keep seeing about Def Leppard. They are being called a band that is getting in that capitalizes just because they are a heartthrob group, a la Bon Jovi. Def Leppard does have some real roots in heavy metal. There is not one song on Hysteria that does not kick arse. Rick Allen is such an inspirational story, what he has done with one arm. And he NEVER shows it off. This is a group that I have loved for 30 years, and definitely belongs among the rock legends in the Hall.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 03:00am


I do want to beg to differ something I keep seeing about Def Leppard. They are being called a band that is getting in that capitalizes just because they are a heartthrob group, a la Bon Jovi. Def Leppard does have some real roots in heavy metal. There is not one song on Hysteria that does not kick arse. Rick Allen is such an inspirational story, what he has done with one arm. And he NEVER shows it off. This is a group that I have loved for 30 years, and definitely belongs among the rock legends in the Hall.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 03:00am


I do want to beg to differ something I keep seeing about Def Leppard. They are being called a band that is getting in that capitalizes just because they are a heartthrob group, a la Bon Jovi. Def Leppard does have some real roots in heavy metal. There is not one song on Hysteria that does not kick arse. Rick Allen is such an inspirational story, what he has done with one arm. And he NEVER shows it off. This is a group that I have loved for 30 years, and definitely belongs among the rock legends in the Hall.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 03:00am


Sorry for the quadruple post! Computer froze

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 03:01am


Philip,

I apologize to you. I was asking for the list of 2019 Inductees I thought you made. I didn't see that you posted 2 days ago that you DID NOt post your predictions of the Inductees. Also I had a mistype yesterday. I wanted your list of predictions of the Inductees. It doesn't exist. You haven't made any predictions for the 2019 Inductees.

I agree nobody should ever be on a timeline or deadline. I thought you posted your list of the 2019 Inductees. I wanted the date and time for something that doesn't exist. Eventually you will have the list whenever the thoughts come to you.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 06:43am


@follower,

I'd be surprised if they didn't vote for their little sister tbh. You know Michael (God rest his soul) would if he knew about the voting process!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 07:14am


@K-Dawg,

Yeah that's why Def Leppard fans want them in and it's granted. I think when some criticize the Hall, they tend to overdo it when their favorites are not picked, which is understandable.

But Def Leppard and Janet have Hall credentials that should make them inductees right away.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 07:16am


Looking at past fan votes and I noticed something interesting: in the 2017 fan vote, Judas Priest made the final top 5 position but eventually lost out on the 2018 induction (I'm guessing Nina Simone won over the ballot picks over them). I didn't realize how unpopular or unmotivated the Hall has been with them.

Also, ELO was #2 on the 2016 poll for the 2017 inductee fight but was ultimately not picked. And to this day has not been re-nominated!

Judging on recent trends, I think they'll induct six performers this year and some other nominees will probably get a back door nomination. Maybe.

I also have went to the Wiki page on the list of inductees each year. It seems like 1987 was the year with the most inductees at 14, followed by 10 in the inaugural year of 1986. Interestingly, the first year where just five got in was 1988 (that includes the Beatles, Dylan, the Supremes and the Beach Boys). 1989 also had inducted just five artists.

From 1990 until 2001, you have periods where 7 or 8 performers would get in. Then around the 2002 induction, that's when the trend of 5-6 inductees a year really took hold so that's why it hasn't gone above 7 in more than a decade.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 07:39am


My bad about ELO! :( I meant the 2015 poll for the 2016 inductees, they did get in around 2017. But other than that, my other points stand. :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 07:40am


Timothy,

ELO were only nominated once, and they were inducted right away. To my knowledge, the only artist besides Judas Priest to finish in the top 5 of Fan Voting who has still not been inducted is Nine Inch Nails.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 07:53am


Timothy,

ELO were only nominated once, and they were inducted right away. To my knowledge, the only artist besides Judas Priest to finish in the top 5 of Fan Voting who has still not been inducted is Nine Inch Nails.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 07:53am


Timothy mentioned earlier that he found it strange that the Hall of Fame keeps passing on Pat Benatar. I totally agree!! She was a dominant force in Rock music for years, had a great voice, and excellent songs. Does anyone have an idea of why the nominating committee is so resistant to her? Also, do any of you have reasons why you believe she shouldn't be in?

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 08:46am


I believe Judas Priest will be and should be in the Hall of Fame. They were a successful and influential group that unfortunately has not been inducted. We know there is a bias against heavy metal among the voters. But Priest is helped by the fact they received airplay on Rock stations and videos shown on MTV. I know that a lack of airplay hinders Iron Maiden's Hall chances. But Iron Maiden was also successful and influential, especially on a global scale. And certainly deserving of induction. Def Leppard received far more radio play than those other bands, and had many fans who weren't metal heads. Often derided as hair metal or pop metal, they made some imaginative and inventive hard rock. And were/are a favorite of mine. It's time to put Def Leppard in the Hall of Fame. I'm confident that they will make it in December. And while I consider myself a Guitar rock fan who isn't necessarily a metal head, I hope Judas Priest and Iron Maiden are also recognized soon.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 09:12am


Mark Tesla,

What did you think of my list of Current Hall of Famers I would expel temporarily? I wouldn't expel them permanently. I want to be fans of all acts. But having said that Dr. John did NOT have to be inducted in 2011. It could have been Chicago for example. And Why not have Dr. John inducted in 2020? Could've wouldve should have. I changed your concept slightly. Let me know your opinion.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 09:17am


Could've sworn ELO was nominated twice! But Rock Hall archives are hard to search. Especially past fan votes. :/

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 09:20am


Janet adds another honor to her list of 2018 honors: https://variety.com/2018/music/news/janet-jackson-receive-global-icon-award-mtv-emas-1202982633/

Among the nominees this year, Janet seems to be the one to get the lifetime honors from other awards shows this year. Wonder if this would play a role in whether she's picked this year as an inductee? Plus, as far as I know, this is also the first year since she's been nominated where she's went over 70,000 votes in the fan vote. Unless I'm totally wrong there (again it's hard to get fan vote archives).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 09:24am


Follower,

Why do you feel that Percy Sledge shouldn't be in the Hall? I've seen other posters express the same sentiment. I haven't really formed an opinion about this. What are your views?

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 09:25am


@Mark Tesla,

I think a Def Leppard induction will finally make it easier for Judas Priest and Iron Maiden to get in.

Also, I'm beginning to have this feeling that besides from Def Leppard, this year's inductees will still be American-centric.

I've also noticed in the two fan vote picks of the past that while 4 of the top 5 picks were picked last year, only 3 were picked in another one.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 09:27am


Follower,

I brought this up when I compared his induction to the snub of Chubby Checker, that basically Percy only got in because of two strong connections: Ahmet Ertegun and Rolling Stone. Like, with few exceptions (Ben E. King solo being the MOST glaring), most of Atlantic's '60s soul artists have gotten in. I brought up how Percy's induction was because Dave Marsh really loved his music despite the fact he was hardly influential and had one smash and a few minor follow-ups.

Percy, to me, was the one Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee I DIDN'T want in. I loved some of his songs but this was one artist I keep scratching my head about and will until I die.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 09:30am


Percy Sledge performed at Steven Van Zandt's wedding.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 10:03am


@dana sorry for me being stupid and clueless, Carter Family will get in as an early influence in the year 2030 as well.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 10:19am


Greg

Look what else was on the ticket. ELO did not accomplish anything.

Now if they had also had some of the following in addition to Joan Baez and Journey they would have some crowing rights, but as it stands they do not have much to crow about.

Chubby Checker
Peter Paul & Mary
Tommy James & the Shondells
Patsy Cline
Guess Who
BTO
Styx
REO

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 10:42am


Zuzu, that's completely irrelevant to my post. I was responding to Timothy who had thought ELO was nominated twice. I was only pointing out that they had only been nominated once. I'm sure it was another "garbage dump" ballot and most of the people on it aren't rock based on where their records were shelved in your hometown record stores 40 years ago. But what do I know, I'm just a kid who needs to stop reading propaganda.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 11:02am


Ben,

Nice to hear from you again. I definitely agree with you on Dr. John. A nice performer who had a top ten hit in the 1970s with "Right Place, Right Time", but not really a Hall of Famer. Loved him in the film "The Last Waltz" though. Percy Sledge and Darlene Love each a had number 1 hit but were not consistently successful solo artists, so I see your point with them. I probably wouldn't put them in the Hall of Fame myself. Abba on the other hand was a successful singles artist in America, although they were much bigger in the rest of the world than here. Their popularity has grown considerably in the USA over the years. Their greatest hits album GOLD has sold over 6 million copies in this country since its release in 1992. And their song "Dancing Queen" is my second all time favorite song after The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again". While I loved "Dancing Queen" since it came out in the seventies, I didn't appreciate ABBA until years later. Being a rockist kind of guy, I had considered them to be pop lightweights for quite some time. But I have found a lot of their music to be fairly good. While I wouldn't put them in the class of groups like The Who (who I consider to be the best group or artist of all time), the Rolling Stones, or Led Zeppelin( or the Beatles for that matter), I like ABBA. I have no problem with them in the Hall of Fame.

As far as Hall and Oates are concerned, they were decent. I was not a big fan, but they had a lot of top ten hits. As one of the most successful singles artists of their era, I would have to say that they deserve to be in the Hall.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 11:27am


Mark Tesla,

It is Cool seeing yu on here. Thats I changed your concept to Expelled temporarily. Somehow Postpone an act. Like Expel Abba from 2010 hypothetically and Re induct them in 2020. This way Chicago could be inserted into 2010. Of course the problem with my Concept is 2010 already happened. So instead we can have a What if type thing. Chicago could have been inducted in 2010 instead of Abba. Abba inducted 10 years later. Im NOT keen on expelling for good.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 11:35am


@The_Claw,

Surely pushes that theory that Percy's induction was a little more personal than most...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 12:12pm


Ben,

Concerning acts that do not belong in the Hall, Randy Newman tops the list. It's true that he was a good songwriter, and had success writing songs for other artists. But I don't see him as a Hall of Famer as an artist or writer. Everyone can't be in the Hall of Fame.

Ringo Starr, as a solo performer also does not belong. Of course he is rightfully in as a Beatle. And he was a talented musician who had a surprisingly successful solo career. But he should not have been inducted as an individual artist. One of our fellows posters stated earlier that since he went in under the "Musical Excellence" category, he was rightfully inducted as a great drummer. But I feel that since John, Paul, and George all made it in solo, some voters said "why not Ringo too?"

The Pretenders were a good group but should not have been inducted. There have been many good bands who made fine music. But they all can't be Hall of Famers. I loved Soul Asylum, the Violent Femmes, and the Psychedelic Furs. But I wouldn't induct them. I don't feel that the Paul Butterfield Blues Band should be in either. The case for the Sex Pistols is a little shaky as well. I liked their one album, and I know that they are considered important because of punk music's emergence as a recognized form in that era. But I have always thought that the case for them, especially as short lived as the band was, to be quite wobbly. Joan Jett was borderline in my opinion.

Meanwhile, a couple of posters some days ago said that Lloyd Price should not have been inducted. I respectfully disagree. Price was a successful R&B performer who also had pop hits. I think he belongs.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 12:22pm


@ Mark Tesla, - You had questioned as to why Pat Benatar gets passed over for nomination, and I believe it may have to do with who would get inducted with her, as far as her band. Neil Girardo, her husband since 1982, and guitarist and songwriter since the beginning, may be a sticking point. I don't know if she would even accept induction without him. They are a tight team, personally and musically, and she would not have the success without him. The rest of the band were solid also, her past drummer was on 9 albums, her bass player joined in 1995, and her longtime keyboardist left in 2007 to join the E-Street band. As K-Dawg had posted earlier, Steve Miller and Bob Seger were inducted as solo, so what is up with that? Also Pat Benatar's first 7 albums were certified Platinum, and she, Neil, and a few select band members, needs to be nominated and inducted ASAP.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 12:27pm


Ben,

Unlike you, I would go for permanent expulsion from the Hall of Fame. To me, either you deserve to be there, or you don't. By the way, I believe you said you were a Who fan as well as I am. Ever see them in concert? I saw them once in the 1990s when John Entwistle was alive, and in 2012. Also saw them about 3 years later. The Who was my favorite act of all time.Unfortunately, I was too young too see them in their prime in the '60s and early '70s.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 12:37pm


Timothy Pernell,

Here are my revised predictions for this year's inductees (if six):

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

As much as I love Stevie Nicks, I just don't think that her solo career merits induction, and she'll also be hurt by the Lindsey Buckingham controversy that's happening right now, plus I just can't see the Hall putting two women in in the same year, if Sting couldn't get in as a solo artist back in 2015, then I doubt Nicks can despite her being in second place in the fan vote and her massive influence on women musicians, I really hope Stevie doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone.

As far as Radiohead, the Hall doesn't want a repeat of last year's Dire Straits situation, so I think that Radiohead's continued apathy towards the Hall will keep them out again this year.

As for Roxy Music, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think that they're going to be hurt by the fact that they were more popular overseas than they were in America, and as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't mean an automatic induction, plus they might be too British for American voters, if Kate Bush and The Smiths couldn't get in, then I doubt Roxy Music can despite Brian Eno's many connections in the music industry and their massive influence.

As for others (Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan). they don't have much of a chance this year, so I don't think it's their year sadly.

I still don't understand why John Prine got nominated, Yes, he's a great singer/songwriter, but like Stevie Nicks, he doesn't deserve induction IMO, I think his nomination should have gone to either Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, George Jones, Merle Haggard, Glen Campbell, Waylon Jennings, Conway Twitty, Buck Owens, Kris Kristofferson, Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris, Garth Brooks or Shania Twain as the Country/Americana name because they're all more deserving than him IMO, besides he's probably too obscure (like Los Lobos) to ever get inducted anyway.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 12:38pm


Will N.,

I appreciated your post. I would have never thought that Girardo and the rest of the band had anything to do with it.What you say may well be the problem. But since Steve Miller's and Bob Seger's bands had billing, and Benatar's did not, I find that a bit surprising. But I have always known that Neil Girardo as a songwriter, band member, and of course husband, was very important to her.

But it seems to me that there is something else going on with Benatar's exclusion. Maybe she was considered too pop and not enough of a rocker? I find that hard to believe. But I haven't been able to put my finger on it. Hopefully, Will, these people at the Hall will have a change of heart. Do you personally feel that if the price for induction for Pat Benatar were the inclusion of her band mates as inductees, that she should acquiesce ?

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 13:31pm


If there's a group I feel a sense of urgency to get in, it's Kraftwerk. They truly are the pioneers of electronic rock, which is the ancestor of techno that is popular around the rest of the world. Further, they were the inspiration for new wave. Without them, there is also no Daft Punk, who are far more collaborative than Ms. Nicks with all the genres and teamups they have done with so many, who arguably should be HOFers in a few years themselves. I see the inspirational bands being lumped together somewhat as "not their year", but Kraftwerk is a band I feel that should've been in 10 years ago

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 13:34pm


MarkTesla, was at University of KY at the time & I could have gone to that Who show up in CInn where they had the stampede & 4 or 5 people died.

A dude I know here in my hometown said he went to that show with some HS buds, but they got so messed up in parking lot that they all passed out & missed the show!

My sticking point was the ticket price. Think they wanted $11.00, freaking highway robbery, IMO...

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 13:49pm


Mark Tesla,

You asked about the Who. Ahh Welll I saw them about 4 times. I saw them in 1989 at the Meadowlands in New Jersey. I saw them in 1996 for the Quadrophenia tour. All the times I saw the Who John Entwistle was alive. The last time I saw them was in 2000. Like you I regret that I was too young to see them in their prime. I was just finding out about the Who around the time Keith Moon died in 1978.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 14:01pm


K-Dawg,

Until a few years I was puzzled as to why people mentioned Kraftwerk as potential Hall of Famers. But having learned about their influence on electronic music I changed my tune. I also listened to some of their music online. So yes, as pioneers, I say that they should be inducted.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 14:10pm


Paul in KY,

I was 12 years old when that infamous concert took place in 1979. I did not hear of The Who until the next year when I started listening to music, when Who guitarist Pete Townshend released his successful solo album "Empty Glass". Hearing and seeing him on radio and video led me to discover The Who, and when The Who released their 1981 album " "Face Dances" I became a fan. Their classic single "You Better You Bet" from that album was one of my favorite songs from that year. Unfortunately the band broke up in 1982, but by then I had bought their most important albums like Quadrophenia, Who's Next, and Tommy. Within 2 years I had purchased all of their albums. Who's Next ranks as my all time favorite album by any artist, with Quadrophenia a close second. In my humble opinion, the best band ever.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 14:27pm


To Ben and Paul,

One of my life's greatest thrills was meeting Pete Townshend at Barnes and Noble here in New York City a couple of years ago. It was naturally at a book signing. Townshend is an idol of mine, and I hoped that I would not make a fool of myself. I didn't, but it was quite an experience. There are few famous people of any stripe I would go gaga over, but Townshend and The Who's lead singer Roger Daltrey are definitely two of them. Maybe the only ones. Over the years I read everything I could find about them, bought videos, and like I said, all of their recordings. I will always love that group.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 14:42pm


Shrek,

You've made your appreciation of reggae quite clear, and the artists you mention deserve Hall of Fame consideration. Which non-reggae acts do you feel have been unfairly excluded from the Hall?

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 15:19pm


Wil N.

I'm sorry, I meant that do you believe that Pat Benatar should hold out for her band's inclusion?

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 15:28pm


Timothy,

I think you are right about Def Leppard's inclusion paving the way for Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. And hopefully the Scorpions too!

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 15:33pm


@richie,

Your list makes perfect sense actually. I'm actually in agreement that this may be the final six (if the pattern continues that with every year, there is five, the other year includes six).

Also, the fact they're in New York will likely give Janet a boost on getting inducted too since I can't imagine tickets selling out if John Prine gets in or even Stevie (you'd need Fleetwood Mac for the entire gig) despite her uber-legendary status.

But this list looks solid, if they do include LL as an inductee.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 17:32pm


@Will N.,

It's strange you mentioned this because for most of her career, Pat and just Pat has been credited for her hits. So it would be strange to include her band?

Unless Pat suggested such that her husband and the band be included?

It's not the same as when Joan Jett had the Blackhearts.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 17:34pm


Ben,

I saw on an earlier post that you love Simon and Garfunkel and Bob Dylan.So do I. Especially S& G. Their album "Parsley, Sage , Rosemary, and Thyme" is one of the ten best ever, in my opinion. I hope you've checked it out at some point. The songs "Cloudy", "For Emily, Wherever I May Find Her", "The Dangling Conversation", and of course "Homeward Bound" are classics.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 17:44pm


Mark Tesla,

I do love both Simon & Garfunkel and Bob Dylan. As far as S&G. I own Bridge Over Troubled Water album and a 2 cd Set of 20 Greatest Hits and Concert fpr Central Park. So I know Cloudy and all the other songs you said. They were inducted in 1990. I am a huge Bob Dylan fan. I would like to hear what yu have to say on Bob D.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 20:02pm


Ben,

We all know Bob Dylan is probably popular music's most celebrated lyricist. I always loved his music, but I never got too much into the words, only the melodies. He has never been known for having a great voice. But there are quite a number of his songs that I love. "Positively 4th Street", "Stuck Inside of Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again", "I Want You", "Ballad of aThin Man", "The Hurricane", "Tangled Up In Blue" are my favorites by him. A great later song by Dylan is "Jokerman". I love that song. We know "Hurricane" is about boxer Ruben Carter. But I have always speculated about what " Ballad Of A Thin Man" is about. While I have said that I wasn't big into his lyrics in general, "Ballad" is an exception. Dylan was a giant.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 20:25pm


Mark Tesla,

Very nice post on Bob Dylan. This is a good way to flash back on RnR Hall legends. Dylan was a giant. I love all the songs you mentioned. I own 30 albums on Cd from Bob D. This is NOT even all of them. Time Out of Mind is the last one I have. And I skipped most of the 80s ones. Alll the songs you said are terrific. I think those same ones are my favorites. One you didn't mention is You're a Big Girl Now. Thats a fav too. A great later song is Jokermn. It is on Infidels. An 80s album I own. Dylan is a legend.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 20:49pm


Ok then, how about this for a prediction:

Def Leppard
The Zombies
The Cure
Stevie Nicks
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
Todd Rudgren (gets a sporadic category.)

That's the entire top 6 in the fan poll right now + Radiohead.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 21:23pm


Ben,

I have never heard "You're a Big Girl Now". I'll have to check that out. It sounds like you have listened to a lot more Dylan songs than I have. Great songwriter, no doubt about it. What is your take on the lyrics for " Ballad of A Thin Man"?

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 22:26pm


Follower,

Of the nominees that you mentioned, I think Janet Jackson, Def Leppard, and Stevie Nicks are locks for induction.

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 10/17/2018 @ 22:32pm


@ Mark Tesla, We both have acknowledged the fact that there seems to be some sort of issue or complication holding back the nomination of Pat Benatar. I do know she was one of the acts being considered among women artists along with Stevie N., Cindi Lauper, The Go-Go's, and Eurythmics. The committee chose to go with Stevie this time, and this is according to a report in the Rock Hall News. As far as her not being Rock enough, her first 2 albums rock out for sure. "Crimes of Passion", her second, would be my favorite, and the song "Hell is for Children", about child abuse, is probably the hardest rocker. Now would she accept if nominated without Neil Girardo. He would probably say to go ahead, it's OK, but she might have an issue with it, and if they would be performing, he would be right there with her. Also it would provide her with a platform to speak up for band members not inducted, if Neil G. didn't make it in. Will have to see how the process unfolds, and for so many deserving bands, it is a helluva long process.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 00:22am


@ Mark Tesla, We both have acknowledged the fact that there seems to be some sort of issue or complication holding back the nomination of Pat Benatar. I do know she was one of the acts being considered among women artists along with Stevie N., Cindi Lauper, The Go-Go's, and Eurythmics. The committee chose to go with Stevie this time, and this is according to a report in the Rock Hall News. As far as her not being Rock enough, her first 2 albums rock out for sure. "Crimes of Passion", her second, would be my favorite, and the song "Hell is for Children", about child abuse, is probably the hardest rocker. Now would she accept if nominated without Neil Girardo. He would probably say to go ahead, it's OK, but she might have an issue with it, and if they would be performing, he would be right there with her. Also it would provide her with a platform to speak up for band members not inducted, if Neil G. didn't make it in. Will have to see how the process unfolds, and for so many deserving bands, it is a helluva long process.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 00:23am


Timothy,

I read a post of yours from 5 days ago. You said that you found it interesting that I say that Rufus featuring Chaka Khan still have a chance at induction.

I am NOT predicting them at all. I said Rufus featuring Chaka Khan are on the fence. It has some possibility. I just meant it's not impossible. They could get some Votes. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan are Not at the bottom of the list for chances. I think maybe Devo are near or at the bottom as an inductee. Anyway, I think Rufus and Chaka Khan have a slight chance. I don't think that warrants predicting them. I hope that clarifies about Rufus.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 06:41am


richie,

You said a few days ago that you don't understand why John Prine got nominated. On the contrary,I DO
understand why John Prine got nominated. Zuzu is right. John Prine is more influential than you think. Bob Dylan,Neil Young and James Taylor could easily vote for John Prine. Nobody expected Laura Nyro to be inducted. She was thought of as a female cult hero. The music of Singer/songwriters has an important place in music. If Laura Nyro can be inducted why not John Prine? I do know Angel from Montgomery from Bonnie Raitt. It is on Sweet Forgiveness which I own.

The station 102.7 WNEW-FM played it in the late 70s and early 80s. Sweet Forgiveness came out in 1977. NEW-FM played the tune into the early 80s. I also know Illegal Smile. Zuzu may know the John Prine albums better. I know Illegal Smile because it was NOT just Shock Jocks in NY back in 1979. There was Pete Fornatale and Dennis Elsas. More laid back DJs in NY. A station called WPLJ was Rock with the Shock Jocks more or less. SO I heard a little John Prine on the airwaves in NY. Also on various folk music shows. A nomination could have gone to Willie Nelson or Dolly Parton but I have some knowledge of John Prine as more prolific. Willie, Dolly and others are more strictly for the Country community. John Prine is NOT.

It is for this reason that I stand by my prediction for John Prine as an inductee. I will NOT replace him with LL Cool J. because LL has failed each time for whatever reason. I don't know Rap too well but Outkast seem more influential than LL Cool J but were not nominated. Again I don't know Rap well. It's an observation. I want to stay focused on John Prine. He is a prolific singer/songwriter. A lot of the public just don't know who he is.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 09:17am


Ben,

Obviously Rufus and Chaka are becoming a popular Hall of Fame pick, otherwise why do they keep trying to put them (or solo Chaka) in?

I don't know about DEVO being at the bottom of the totem pole of nominees, I think either MC5 or Kraftwerk would take its place (or even the Zombies for that matter). But I imagine for this year, DEVO, Kraftwerk and MC5 are the ones that don't have close to a chance to being inductee #5 or 6 this year.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 09:50am


Questlove's thoughts on the Hall of Fame committee process was interesting. He exposed one thing: the committee is definitely clueless on at least ONE PERSON who isn't in yet (Todd Rundgren).

So if one name is not to be denied besides Def Leppard, it seems, is Todd!

He will and should not be denied.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 09:55am


Ben,

I have to disagree with you about John Prine, I just think that his nomination was a wasted one and I just don't think he's that influential, IMO, I think his nomination really should have gone to another Country/Americana artist like Patsy, Willie, Loretta, Dolly, Jones, Merle, Glen, Waylon, Conway, Buck, Kristofferson, Emmylou, Garth or Shania or another Singer/Songwriter like Gram Parsons, Carole King, Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Carly Simon or Jim Croce because they're all much more deserving of induction than him IMO, but I respect your opinion and I thank you for the information about John Prine, Thanks and Have a great day...

Posted by richie on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 11:38am


@ Timothy, Yes, you are correct in stating Pat Benatar has always been listed as just Pat, but in reality her band is a major contributor to her music. Similar to Joan Jett, just not billed that way as with the Blackhearts. Wiki states, "Although billed as a solo artist, Benatar recorded and toured with a consistent set of band members over most of her career." Looking at it, I don't think her band would be nominated, but I believe Neil Giraldo would slide in if she was to be inducted, since they are such an established team. Also, Todd R. is an interesting discussion because he has also had his own different bands, as Utopia was a key component in his career.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 11:50am


Timothy,

I put Devo at the bottom because someone has to be. It's NOT Kraftwerk. I am no fan of Electronic or Dance music but I will say they had influence in some way. I own NOTHING by Kraftwerk. I prefer the more traditional Prog Rock when it comes to use of keyboards. But Kraftwerk still are NO WAY at the bottom. MC5 were key in the creation of Punk. I am certainly NOT a punk Rocker and I only know Kick Out the Jams. But I have read that they have an influence. But Devo as an inductee? I easily pictured Devo as a nominee due to eclectic tastes in the Committee. But Devo as an Inductee. I know 2 songs. Whip It of course. Good song. And a bad version of Satisfaction. There is other material to deem them as a nominee. Freedom of Choice album, But as an inductee? They seem like the bottom or close to me.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 12:00pm


Ben, I encourage you to listen to "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk on YouTube or somewhere. Even if you're not a huge fan of electronic music, their sounds influenced the new wave that came out in the 80s, among them the lauded Duran Duran. And they are the godfathers of techno. Their music may not be for everyone, but they are by and large what most of the world's preferred genre of rock music is influenced from. They belong in the hall.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 12:29pm


I believe the following HOF members can all be counted on the vote for John Prine if they bother to turn in a ballot: Jerry Lee Lewis, Don Everly, Bob Dylan, Ringo Starr, Brian Wilson, Keith Richards, Carole King, Paul Simon, Roger McGuinn, Chris Hillman, Van Morrison, John Fogerty, Bob Weir, Robert Hunter, Duane Eddy, Robbie Robertson, Garth Hudson, Neil Young, Dickie Betts, Roger Waters, Jorma Kaukonen, Jack Casady, Joni Mitchell, Stephen Stills, Carlos Santana, Timothy B Schmidt, Randy Meisner, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, John Sebastion, James Taylor, Bonnie Raitt, Mike Campbell, David Byrne, Elvis Costello, Dave Mason, Jackson Browne, Bob Segar, Bono, Adam Clayton, Artimus Pyle, Mike Mills, Peter Buck, Michael Stipe, Bill Berry, John Mellencamp, Wanda Jackson, Tom Waits, Dr. John, Ron Wood, Chad Smith, Donovan, Sonny Curtis, Jerry Allison, Randy Newman, Nils Lofgren, Little Steven, Max Weinberg, John Oates, Cat Stevens, Elvin Bishop, Bill Withers, Joan Baez, Mark Knopfler, and Guy Fletcher.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 12:30pm


@Shrek,

Wonder how many who are inductees actually vote... all of those people probably wouldn't be bothered to help their boy out except maybe Dylan, Little Steven and the Eagles. His name is just the most obscure of the singer-songwriters. Especially since Carly Simon and Harry Chopin are not in yet.

But you did mention "if they actually bother to turn in a ballot" so I wonder how many actually do turn in performing ballots.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 12:36pm


The thing about Kraftwerk, is that to truly appreciate what it was they accomplished, you need to listen to those albums and then take into account *when* they were released. Listening in 2018 to their sound, it may not sound particularly revolutionary with the preponderance of electronic music that is around. It's easy to listen to them now and think, "Radiohead uses these kind of sounds but has more interesting arrangements and better lyrics". But Autobahn came out in 1974, when the biggest single of the year was "Kung Fu Fighting" and Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road was the #1 album of the year. Kraftwerk didn't just influence the direction of music, they influenced how it was made, as they were inventors of electronic instruments in order to achieve the new sounds they were making.

I find their repetitive ambient sound rather tedious, but I am awed by their revolutionary instincts. I actually prefer their earliest work when they were more of a prog-fusion type of band; but there's nothing particularly revolutionary about that phase of their career, it just shows how skilled they were as musicians in a more standard sense before they decided to innovate new directions.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 13:17pm


That list Shrek had was 65 votes. Wonder what 65 votes does? Is that enough to get in or do you need 100 or 200 or more?

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 13:53pm


Paul in KY,

No.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 15:12pm


Paul in KY,

I think you need like thousands upon thousands of votes. It's not only Hall of Fame inductees but also members in the committee. Then the top 5 have the fan votes to be added to a single ballot in their favor.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 15:13pm


On Percy Sledge:

I have always been a follower of the "if inducted, then the artist is worthy" way of thinking. Specifically in the Performers category. Sledge has been getting criticized since his nomination. It often seems, from the most serious fans of the Hall, he lands dead last when it comes to ranking the inducted acts. If I try and weigh them objectively I would have to agree. Although acts like Richie Valens, Darlene Love, or Laura Nyro could have casee made to show Sledge not alone in that bottom spot. Yet he is inducted, and when that happens I try and reason what exactly makes an artist considered worthy of the honor. Sledge possessed one of the finer instruments of his era. No I am not calling him the definitive voice of his timeframe, nor among the top 30 Rock vocalists. However that piercing soulful voice is instantly recognizable. Sledge had the complete package when it came to what a singer technically needed. He had fantastic range, power, phrasing, and timing. On top of that he had what truly defines a great vocalist. Those intangible qualities like how an artist can convey an emotion within a word, or the timbre of a voice that can make it instantly recognizable. He is defined by a hit so big few acts would escape from. Yet still he managed to be fairly popular in what can be considered one of the most competitive trio of years in chart and sales history.

He is a true "artist's artist". Which explains why he could find the votes from the body of his peers. And once he had those, he became worthy of induction. Someone has to be at the bottom of these types of institutions. How long he will be considered that most likely will change. The Hall can not be filled with just what can be considered the top 100 acts of its varied genres.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 10/18/2018 @ 16:00pm


I have a question relating to criteria for nomination and induction, which I am not quite clear on, that I would like to present to the field. Say for example, Ronnie James Dio was brought up for nomination, and he had been in multiple bands over his career before forming his own band, Dio. Would his entire body of work be under consideration, including Elf, Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Dio, and Heaven and Hell, or just his own band Dio? I'm sure there are other artists that would fall into a similar situation.

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 00:41am


Will N, I think it is probably subjective. In the case of Stevie Nicks, I feel she is already acknowledged for her Fleetwood Mac work for their induction. To contrast, Dio or say, Dave Navarro (someone who is not in yet), would probably have their entire body of work looked at with a special emphasis on their solo career. For the people mentioning collaborations with other artists, specifically the performer category really is for those that are established stars on their own without help of others. If it seems I'm singling out Stevie's situation, I kind of am. That is an excellent point to bring up, however.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 01:30am


Stevie Nicks has the votes. She will be Inducted in this 2018-2019 cycle. Tina Turner would be a logical next female nominee choice in the 2019-2020 cycle. She would be the next 2x woman inductee. Janet Jackson might be able to sneak in this year. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 03:00am


K-Dawg,

I already did listen to Autobahn from Kraftwerk in 1981. I was 16! I heard all different kinds of music in 1979-1982. I heard it on the NY station 102.7 WNEW-FM. They were the key NY Rock station. Unlike other stations they didnt have any strict playlists yet. They played all kinds of Rock and music. Believe it or Not thats where I heard Kraftwerk. I have never been a big fan of Electronic music. But yes I did check it out. I recall it was Veteran DJ named Scott Muni that played it. I didnt turn it off. It was interesting.

I said Kraftwerk are NOT at the bottom of this ballot. A case can be made for Kraftwerk even though I dont support Electronic music. It lead to the techno genre that I dont like but Kraftwerk had their influence. I keep an open mind at 53. So Kraftwerk is understandable.

I notice nobody is rushing to make a case for Devo so far. Devo just dont have enough influence to be inducted. I suppose they replace The Cars on this ballot. Devo are probably supported by the Cars. So Kraftwerk I can understand. But Devo?

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 06:36am


I did not even realize that Stevie Nicks turned 70 this year. She still seems younger to me, mid-60's, and although I've always felt her solo work to be very good, but not exceptional, her songwriting and performances with Fleetwood Mac are phenomenal. So if she were to be voted in with this class, I am OK with it. Maybe we'll have 2 women, as Janet has a great shot also. On Tina Turner, I noticed she is in her late 70's now, probably still in great shape too. And is Roxy Music the sleeper candidate? They were pioneers in the Glam Rock era, starting in the early 70's, were highly influential to numerous bands, multi-talented, and strove for musical excellence and quality recordings.

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 07:30am


Will, I would think that in Dio's case they would be looking at the whole body of work. Caveated by (to me) that if he had already been inducted as a member of another act, then that act should not be considered (IMO).

That's the way it * should * be. Anyone else have a different take?

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 07:52am


I just addressed the Kraftwerk issue. I have my Varied but Classic Rock tastes BUT I keep an open mind. I certainly do with the Cure, also on the Ballot. Back in the 80s I was NOT a fan at all. I was a Fan of alll the Good Old 60s and 70s Rock as well as Van Halen, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, The Cars, Dire Straits and soo many others. But the Cure I did NOT dig. A lot of my friends in College loved them and that is why I know they had an influence. It was just NOT with me. There is plenty of people Closed minded on here. I try Hard NOT to b. If I dont like somebody That is NOT a reason to disregard them.

Now then. I am still mourning the loss of my Dad so I am going to take a break from the Site due to that. My Dad died Sept. 12th. Ive been back on the site a month. I willl b back in November sometime. Nov. 3rd would have been my Dad's 87th Birthday.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 09:18am


Ben,

Sorry to hear about your father. My blessings to you and your family.

Posted by MarkTesla on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 10:47am


Ronnie James Dio-the greatest voice ever in hard rock and heavy metal.

Posted by MarkTesla on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 10:51am


Nothing wrong with a good mourning period for someone you loved & was so much a part of your life. Please return when you feel able to.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 10:53am


I do think two female artists will be inducted in 2019. If true, Stevie & Janet got it in the bag.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 11:26am


Timothy Pernell,

I'm going to list off the top five acts in the fan vote every year since 2013:

2013

#1 Rush
#2 Deep Purple
#3 Heart
#4 Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
#5 Albert King

Three of them (Rush, Heart and Albert King) got in that year.

2014

#1 Kiss
#2 Nirvana
#3 Deep Purple
#4 Yes
#5 Hall & Oates

Three of them (Kiss, Nirvana and Hall & Oates) got in that year.

2015

#1 Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
#2 Nine Inch Nails
#3 Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
#4 Bill Withers
#5 The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Four of them (Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Bill Withers and The Paul Butterfield Blues Band) got in that year.

2016

#1 Chicago
#2 Yes
#3 The Cars
#4 Deep Purple
#5 Steve Miller

Three of them (Chicago, Deep Purple and Steve Miller) got in that year.

2017

#1 Journey
#2 Electric Light Orchestra
#3 Yes
#4 Pearl Jam
#5 The Cars

Four of them (Journey, Electric Light Orchestra, Yes and Pearl Jam) got in that year.

2018

#1 Bon Jovi
#2 The Moody Blues
#3 Dire Straits
#4 The Cars
#5 Judas Priest

Four of them (Bon Jovi, The Moody Blues, Dire Straits and The Cars) got in last year.

2019

#1 Def Leppard
#2 Stevie Nicks
#3 The Cure
#4 Todd Rundgren
#5 The Zombies

Out of this year's top five acts in the fan vote, I'm predicting four of them (I'm predicting Def Leppard, The Cure, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) will get in and I'm predicting that Stevie Nicks will be the one left behind, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I just can't see the Hall putting two women in in the same year, and I really think that the Lindsey Buckingham controversy (he has sued Fleetwood Mac for firing him and touring without him) will really hurt her chances for going into the Hall this year, so my predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are still the same:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 11:54am


Ben,

I'm sorry to hear about your father. You are welcome to come back with open arms anytime you want.

Richie,

Thank you for having the data on this! I'd been curious about who the top 5 has been the past few years. Judging by the data, whenever Judas Priest eventually returns (and I think they will sometime soon) they'll be in the top 5 again and will eventually get in. The fact that they supposedly did abysmally in the regular vote last year makes me think that the cause must've been due to vote splitting (with Bon Jovi and RATM perhaps?) I'd say they'll return and get in within the next 2-5 years or so.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 12:56pm


Ben: Sorry about your father...I'll be thinking of you and your family during this time. Take whatever time you need.

Posted by SotN on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 13:05pm


I commented in earlier threads regarding current nominees.
I posted a list of Early Influences that deserve attention.
Unfortunately the committee skipped this category this year.
Future deserved nominees that the committee should consider include these major oversights.
Shangr-las
Dionne Warwick
Bacharach-David
Jackie DeShannon
Other oversights include
Marvellettes
Mary Wells
Link Wray
Dick Dale
Johnny Rivers
Lesley Gore
Paul Revere and the Raiders
Gordon Lightfoot
Considerations for later acts include
Carly Simon
Nilsson
Kool and the Gang
Warren Zevon
Gil Scott Heron

The non performer category is also underused.
I can post the list for these and early influences.

Posted by Mark on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 17:39pm


I didn't even realize this was going on, as I've been quite busy for some time now.

My personal votes:

Def Leppard
Rage Against The Machine
Radiohead
The Zombies
MC5

Seeing the nominees, and roughly guessing at what the Hall voters are thinking, I'll wager on Def Lep, Rage, and the Zombies making it, and for many of the reasons already stated by others over the past two weeks.

I had no clue Radiohead were shunning the Hall, or I'd have put them in as a genuine lock. With two more spots left, I'm guessing Stevie Nicks or Janet Jackson will grab one. I have no cue who the other one will go to.

Personally, I think this is a bland bunch overall, though there's a few that I like. I highly doubt I'd see my personal ballot make the grade. Then again I cannot recall a single year where I ever came close to having more than half of my choices elected. They could do so, so much better....

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 10/19/2018 @ 19:44pm


@richie,

Interesting, so you think Stevie will get left behind? Seems they pick either 3 or 4.

If six, yeah I can see them picking four of them and then adding two who have gotten support from ballots.

I do think they may include two women though. If true, it would be the first time two women got in as performers since 2013 since the two women of Heart (the Wilson sisters Ann and Nancy) and (the unfortunately late) Donna Summer were in. But then it would be the first time in a LONG time that two female SOLO artists would get in so yeah I can see why you may think just one may win it out.

Who knows? But your scenario makes sense. But Prine may take the place of LL? We'll see.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 01:19am


Didn't they used to nominate 21 and induct 6?

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 01:26am


Timothy Pernell,

The reason why I think Stevie will get left behind is because of the Lindsey Buckingham controversy that's happening right now (he has sued Nicks and the rest of Fleetwood Mac for firing him and touring without him), while the others that are in the top five of the fan vote (Def Leppard, The Cure, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) have more momentum and support right now than Stevie and that's why I'm picking all of them as inductees this year, besides I just don't think that her solo career merits induction and I would rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become members of the Clyde McPhatter club than Stevie, and the reason that I'm picking LL as an inductee is because the ceremony is back in NYC this year and he's a native New Yorker and he's a recent Kennedy Center Honoree as well, plus, this might be his last chance for induction because Biggie, Jay-Z and Eminem are all gonna be eligible for induction in the next three years (2020, 2021 and 2022), so I think this is LL's year for induction as well as it should, and I'm picking Janet as the Female inductee over Stevie because she's had a big year with her tour, big awards and other publicity and she also has more momentum and support over Stevie as well, and I've said it before and I'll say it again, I still don't understand why John Prine got nominated, Yes, he's a great singer/songwriter, but like Stevie Nicks, he doesn't deserve induction IMO, besides he's just too obscure to ever get inducted anyway.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 02:00am


Richie
Stevie Nicks won't get left behind. She has a high vote total in the Fan balloting. Also, she will receive support from a large swath of the voters. Votes will be from The Eagles, The Heartbreakers, Fleetwood Mac, Linda Ronstadt, Madonna, and several of the Classic Rock groups. I can't envision a scenario where she is left out. There's not many artists on this ballot that has the legendary status Stevie Nicks has over 43 years in Fleetwood Mac and Solo. She will be the 1st woman 2x Inductee and hopefully Tina Turner receives the honor next year.
There's plenty of snow globe shaking who will be the 3,4,5 Inductees. Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks are solid in 1 and 2. I think Todd Rundgren will be Inducted as a Performer or The Musical Excellence catch all. I thought LL Cool J should have been in on the 1st ballot but here he is still in this purgatory. It's difficult to believe a band as innovative and influential as Radiohead would be turned down twice. However, Janet Jackson is still fighting to get inducted. It's not my FAV ballot...No Bad Company, Ben E. King, Bryan Adams, David Gates & Bread, Iron Maiden, Kool & The Gang, Procol Harum, Scorpions,or Wishbone Ash. I am though intrigued at who the Final Inductees will be. Honestly, I could see 9 or 10 artists who could receive the votes for Induction. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 02:06am


Nine Inch Nails and Judas Priest are the only top 5 acts still not in the Hall.

(Oddly enough, NIN dropped to 13th place in their second nomination. I guess the strong amount of classic rock couldn't hold them back.)

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 02:31am


Here's a fun little exercise. Music Living Legends. How many of these music legends are as legendary as Stevie Nicks or larger. It's probably a short list. Some music legends have died recently...Aretha Franklin, Chris Cornell, Glenn Frey, Prince, Tom Petty etc. Let's look at living music legends. Acclaim, Fame, Influence, Innovation, Respect Among Peers, Longevity, Success.
Obviously Bob Dylan and Paul McCartney Top 5. Bono from U2 would be up there. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. Bruce definitely Top 10. Sting has reached a high level of respect. Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley from KISS. How far do you go before Stevie Nicks? KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 02:34am


KING,

I always find theorizing who inducted acts will vote for a hard task. I don't necessarily see some of the acts you list as guaranteed votes for Nicks. Madonna for example, if she even takes the time to submit her ballot, would seem a stretch to be a Nicks guaranteed supporter. I would be shocked if she voted for Janet, the 2 do not have the most respectful relationship after all. I would see Madonna being a much larger supporter of Kraftwerk, Chaka Khan, Roxy Music, and RATM. I would be even more surprised if Ronstadt and The Eagles didnt instantly go for Prine as a first pick on their ballots. It is always fun to try and guess! I do agree Stevie is a lock. Buckingham will most likely not vote for her this year, but I highly doubt Fleetwood Mac's current situation will in any way diminish her chances. The drama of that band is one of their most enduring and recognizable qualities. I do feel her presence has a very high potential of keeping Jackson out. Although there seems to be a larger bias working against Janet than most here seem to pay attention to.

-------

Every year the next female inducted act is supposed to be opening doors for those still waiting in the wings, and every year that doesn't pan out.

If I had to go out on a limb I would say Chaka Khan has the better odds of being the second female included this year.

Rundgren will get the Musical Excellence slot, freeing up The Zombies a place. That just seems like the most Hall like response to these nominations possible. I for one find that completely absurd. But an induction is an induction, and I would not be surprised by it at all.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 02:47am


KING,

"Here's a fun little exercise. Music Living Legends. How many of these music legends are as legendary as Stevie Nicks or larger"

Legends to me always veers away from innovation and influence and more into Pop Culture Icon territory. Where the lines of actual importance and watershed acts gets blurred with those who are instantly recognizable as giants in their areas. Which is why someone like Joni Mitchell who would rank higher as a singular artistic legend over Nicks would certainly fall behind her when it comes to star power or iconic status. With that said I would say Tina Turner, with the passing of Aretha Franklin is probably the single greatest living female legend of Rock'N'Roll. Judging more by that standard I would have to give a higher placement to the following women (all mainstream genres included)

* Tina Turner
* Cher
* Barbra Streisand
* Janet Jackson
* Madonna
* Mariah Carey
* Dolly Parton
* Beyonce
* Diana Ross
* Britney Spears
* Julie Andrews
* Reba McEntire
* Bette Midler
* Celine Dion

Note: I am not saying objectively these women have better careers or deserve a place overall above anyone else just that they are a fairly iconic bunch who are instantly that recognizable as legends and tend to be in a league of their own on the pop culture front.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 03:05am


Nine Inch Nails and Judas Priest are the only top 5 acts still not in the Hall.

(Oddly enough, NIN dropped to 13th place in their second nomination. I guess the strong amount of classic rock couldn't hold them back.)

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 03:36am


Chris F,

I'd go a bit further--Christina Aguilera, Shakira, even Lady Gaga have proven their staying power as contemporary songstresses. Stevie is Stevie, and has some talent, but where would she have been without Fleetwood Mac? Another talented songbird who backs up bigger artists? Unfortunately for her, I see the answer as yes. I'm not sure why the pop vote is going to her at this point, but they can't separate the "Gold Dust Woman" and "Dreams" singer from the "Stand Back" singer when judging worthiness based on the proper merits.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 03:38am


K-Dawg,

I initially thought about throwing Aguilera in there as well as Gaga who has finally began to hit that career mark where she gets over that hump of a generations star to a iconic legacy. Just like Rihanna or Adele seem to be doing as well. I decided to stick with women who certainly have passed that mark just to showcase that sometimes the concept of legend can be viewed differently. I do sometimes worry Aguilera, despite being the most gifted vocalist of a generation, hasn't translated that into the grand status she could have.

To me Nicks is a true icon, an archetype if you will. The mysterious, enigmatic, witchy troubadour with an ability to captivate by just standing there with a microphone. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said they can't separate her achievements. Which is why I think she is going to be ushered in so quickly this time. Like you pointed out, there is talent to back it up. Which means something thankfully. And she isn't far off of that group of women I listed. Just not quite on that level of pop culture relevance.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 03:55am


@Chris F.,

Chaka has to contend with Janet though. If the Rock Hall was gonna induct a so-called R&B/urban/dance act, Janet would win out over Rufus and Chaka. It may seem unfair considering how influential Chaka was to a lot of R&B and pop divas that came after her vocally (from Whitney to Mary J. to even Aguilera), but Janet still has youth by her side.

Chaka has a better chance next year if she gets passed over again.

I still wonder if there are that many Rock Hall inductees that actually vote... a good chunk of the inductees are dead now.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 11:15am


KING,

I'll contend Tina Turner is a more legendary figure than Stevie Nicks. She was immortalized as part of Ike & Tina Turner but as far as solo careers go, her Private Dancer album was far more popular than say Bella Donna.

Plus Tina was at the start of rock and roll and soul music (roughly 1960) so she has that advantage over everyone else.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 11:19am


@Anonymous,

I don't know. But I do know in the years 19 was nominated, only 5 still got in. You can never predict how many inductees you're gonna get every year. They tell you five, but they'll induct six if they feel another artist had some sort of momentum behind them. If they were gonna go for momentum purpose only, this would be their inductee list:

1.) Def Leppard (due to the fan vote standing)
2.) Stevie (due to folks just loving her)
3.) The Zombies
4.) Janet (she's been winning a lot of industry awards this year)
5.) LL (Kennedy Center Honor)
6.) Todd Rundgren (either as performer or Musical Excellence)

I used to say in 2015 that Janet would get in that year because she had released the Unbreakable album but she didn't. John Prine would be the artist this year (besides Janet) to release a new project this year but it's not likely he'll get in. Only reason I saw the Hall agreeing to include him in this list may be due to him releasing a new album that charted well (like Janet's album did) but is it enough?

I know I feel like John is a "no chance" this year but that's not because I don't think he's deserving of an induction (he is) but they picked a bad year for him. Then again, if there are six inductees and somehow Todd is the odd man out and is picked for M.E., John's slot would be open for the sixth position.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 11:29am


Timothy Pernell,
I think you’re discounting Chaka Khan’s chances a bit. Questlove is one of her most vocal advocates on the Rock Hall Nominating Committee and even stated his desire to see more women inducted. She’s got a lot going for her. If anything, I think Rufus has a decent shot this year and they could be a dark horse pick for induction. I’d love to see her get inducted for a few reasons. With the expectation of Janet Jackson (many would label as pop rather R&B, but I think that’s a moot point), the nominating committee pretty much cleared the path for R&B/Soul/Funk performers. Chaka Khan/Rufus is not competing with the likes of The Meters, Joe Tex, and The Spinners for votes. She has collaborated with a lot of Hall of Famers – Stevie Wonder, Steve Winwood, Prince, Aretha Franklin, Rod Stewart, Ray Charles, Peter Cetera, Gladys Knight, Chicago (after Cetera), Quincy Jones, and Rick Wakeman—so she’s well-connected in the music industry. I’m pretty sure most (if not all) would cast a vote Chaka Khan & Rufus (if they’re still alive). She is good with Joni Mitchell (even appearing on the Grammy-winning Mitchell tribute album in the last decade). Chaka Khan/Rufus is the Nominating Committee’s clear choice for the next R&B/Soul/Funk artist to seek induction. Second, Chaka Khan still tours and even released her first new single in over a decade this past summer. John Prine is not the only artist to release new material this year (Def Leppard released a cover of Depeche Mode’s “Personal Jesus” as well). Her name is still relevant and in the news. Finally, Chaka Khan is one of the most important and influential female singers of the rock era. She has influenced dozens (if not hundreds) of singers including Erykah Badu, Brandy, Mariah Carey, Faith Evans, and Anita Baker. Modern R&B/Soul superstars such as Mary J. Blige (“Sweet Thing”) and Whitney Houston (“I’m Every Woman”) covered Khan over the years and became big cover hits. Blige and Houston covering Khan’s work alone warrants a place on the Rock Hall ballot. In many ways, Khan is the missing link of important female soul singers not already inducted into the Rock Hall and her band Rufus is a sleeper pick for 2019 induction. I’d rather see Rufus/Chaka Khan get inducted over Stevie Nicks any day of the week. Maybe the Rock Hall will have the courage to induct two living and highly worthy black female performers in a single year (I contend Janet Jackson is a virtual lock for induction in 2019).

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 11:55am


Timothy,

I don't necessarily think Khan and Jackson are pitted against each other on this or any other ballot. To clear up my point of view from the earlier post, I think Jackson should be the lock on this ballot. I think she should have been a lock as a first time nominee. The fact she isn't shows the Halls voting body has a bias against her somewhere. Jackson is a superb artist, and one of the finest performers of her generation. There are few artists in the last 150 years who can compare.

The sad truth is the sexism that Jackson helped destroy in the larger industry seems to be prevalent in the Hall itself still. There was an old practice on radio of not playing 2 female artists back to back. Tyat idiotic approach fell apart largely thanks to the late 1980s early 1990s powerhouse females breaking down the door. (Madonna, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, and so many others). Jackson objectively should go in first, I just doubt the Hall will make that happen. Jackson is turning into a Donna Summer sized issue for them.

Nick's great points show why Chaka is getting a good chance this year. She is one of the most well connected artists on this years list. Throw the musical excellence of Rufus in there, and the fact that Funk still needs Hall representation and you have a solid case for a 5th spot going to them.


While Jackson and her both created Dance records. The sounds were an era apart. They are both R&B acts, but that is one giant umbrella. The Hall seems to forget that. 2 R&B acts can go in at once, maybe they should just listen to us. I think the major issue here is the voting body largely is looking at this as 3 women against each other. Which is a shame, all 3 acts are worthy of induction. I would say the Hall should throw out the playbook, induct 6 acts and put all 3 in. I am tired of seeing Jackson and Khans name coming back up year after year. I would rather be allowed to move onto the other acts we haven't seen. Pat Benatar, BoyzIIMen, LaBelle, The Marvelletes, Mariah Carey, En Vogue, Annie Lennox, Teddy Pendergrass, Luther Vandross, Dionne Warwick, Tori Amos, Kate Bush, Cameo, or any of the other roughly 400 acts that are backlogged.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 13:11pm


Nick and Chris,

I don't know... I honestly don't know. Chaka has had similar chances to get in like Janet. Like Janet and Prine, she also released new musical projects (the song "Sugar" from her next album). But again, we've seen this over and over again... she may be closing in on it but I'm still gonna give her the "close but no cigar" trophy because I know how biased the Hall can be. If any of the two ladies in the Boomer era has a chance to get in first, it's Nicks, not Khan. So if two female artists, it won't be Chaka and Stevie (though that would be kinda fun because they both admire each other and Chaka once covered a Fleetwood Mac song), it'll be Stevie and Janet.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 14:41pm


Timothy Pernell,

The reason why I think Stevie Nicks will get left behind is because of the Lindsey Buckingham controversy that's happening right now (he has sued Nicks and the rest of Fleetwood Mac for firing him and touring without him), while the others that are in the top five of the fan vote(Def Leppard, The Cure, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) have more momentum and support right now than Stevie and that's why I'm picking all of them as inductees this year, besides I just don't think that her solo career merits induction and I would rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become members of the Clyde McPhatter club more so than Stevie, and the reason why that I'm picking LL as an inductee this year is because the ceremony is back in NYC this year and he's a native New Yorker and he's a recent Kennedy Center Honoree so he has more momentum and support right now than Stevie as well, plus, this might be his last chance for induction because Biggie, Jay-Z and Eminem are all gonna be eligible for induction in the next three years (2020, 2021 and 2022), so I think this is LL's year for induction as well as it should, and I picked Janet as the token Female inductee over Stevie because she's had a big year with her tour, big awards (the Billboard Icon award at the Billboard Music Awards, the Radio Disney Impact award at the Radio Disney Music Awards, the Rock Star award at the Black Girls Rock! event, being named a BMI Icon at the BMI R&B/Hip-Hop Awards and the Global Icon award at the MTV EMA's) and other publicity as well, and she has more momentum and support right now than Stevie also, and as I've said it before and I'll say it again, I still don't understand why John Prine got nominated, Yes, he's a great singer/songwriter, but like Stevie Nicks, he doesn't deserve induction IMO, besides he's just too obscure to ever get inducted anyway.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 15:08pm


Richie,

Prine is a weird one. Not career worthy as a performer to go in, but certainly entitled as a songwriter. He came as a shock to me this year . But looking back at past nominees and inductees he fits a certain niche someone on the nom com has been pushing. Laura Nyro's induction jumps to mind as an act that shows how Prine can slide in without a problem. On top of that he is a male songwriter, helping push him even further. Think more along the lines of Tom Waits. Add to that his likeability among his peers and you have a dark horse contender. One who doesn't need momentum from the general public, because every artist in the Hall knows him. The overlap of the Halls voting body and other honors (The Kennedy Center, Grammys, etc) is not enough to usually make up the difference. Prine is cool, in a genre that awards that above nearly everything else. Should be inducted in a different category, and if he somehow fails to get the performer votes I don't doubt they will slide him into another one. The Hall just seems to operate in that way.

Timothy,

I never think an artist releasing new music really plays a role in their induction in any given year. There are exceptions, but it doesn't carry weight. Largely because maintaining an actual chart presence of 25 years is an oddity. And the music that often charts for acts after that point tends to be nostalgic and massively based on fans they have managed to keep over the years.

Jackson deserves the induction, over every last person in this class except possibly Radiohead. I can't name a single class outside of the first where the most deserving acts all got in. Nick's interrupts Jacksons chance. Because as richie pointed out there is a token female act. Which almost always holds true. It is absurd, sexist, and disgusting but honest. In 2018 it shouldn't even be a point. Especially consider how vastly different the 2 are. For the record I do not see Khan making it this year either. My assumption however is that if by some weird chance 2 acts that are female oriented enter, Khan has the better chance. Jackson, despite everything that points to her being the best here, has something still going against her. My guess is that the Pop sound she cultivated alongside her New Jack Swing and Dance records is making someone's pencil check a different box on the ballot. And those people may be a little more accepting of the Funk of Rufus. And the way they have been nominated this year may make some feel like they are killing 2 birds with one stone. Sad because Rufus should stand on it's own merit, and Khan did plenty to get a second solo induction down the road.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 15:46pm


Isn't the Award for Musical Excellence a seperate category (i.e. one which none of the nominees could get inducted in)?

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 16:30pm


It is a separate category, but people have been nominated as performers and have been induced as Sidemen or Early Influences. In Todd's case, he was in several bands and was a notable music producer, so the Award for Musical Excellence would be a way to honor all of that as well as his solo work.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 16:48pm


Chris,

Things are changing, maybe slowly but surely they are. It would be great to get two female inductees. I just don't think it's gonna be Chaka/Rufus.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 17:01pm


Richie
This is the 4th or 5th time you have written about Stevie Nicks not getting inducted. Stevie Nicks will get inducted. It's The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame!!! Stevie Nicks has the Fame or Legend factor that few of the other acts have. She can be linked in a few moves through Fleetwood Mac or Solo to just about every major 70's and early 80's rock act. She will get major votes through collaborations with The Heartbreakers Stop Dragging My Heart Around and Don Henley (Eagles)Leather & Lace. The Heartbreakers, Eagles, Fleetwood Mac...I believe that's 17 votes right there.
Lindsey he's only 1 vote. Madonna has listed Stevie Nicks as an influence on a few pages I've seen. She suddenly will vote for somebody else???!!! And I'm Cyndi Lauper. You keep saying about the lack of the merit of Nicks solo career for 2x induction. A fair assessment. As we see in the case of life or the RRHOF, life isn't fair. If it was fair Bad Company, David Gates & Bread, Iron Maiden, Procol Harum,The Cure, Scorpions etc would have been inducted long ago. Stevie Nicks solo had several gold records and a few good hits Edge Of Seventeen and Stand Back. I will admit some of Stevie Nicks songs I don't know if they are Fleetwood Mac or her solo. Phil Collins is like that with me also. Can't recall of it's him solo or with Genesis. Tom Petty solo also can be like a Heartbreakers album. In conclusion, I don't see enough firepower on this artists ballot with only 15 to siphon votes away from Nicks. Say the RRHOF voters could only vote for 3 artists. Maybe, some would keep Nicks off and vote for Def Leppard or The Cure. However, they can mark 5 on their ballots. My guess Stevie Nicks could receive the highest RRHOF vote total in recent memory. Top 5 maybe even Top 10. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 17:11pm


KING,

I know, but there are way too many artists on the outside looking in waiting to go in, Stevie's an icon, but she doesn't particularly need to get inducted twice when she's already in with Fleetwood Mac, so I think her induction is wildly unnecessary and I really hope everyone is wrong about her getting inducted this year, I really hope she gets passed over and as I've said it before, I really hope she doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 17:21pm


"You keep saying about the lack of the merit of Nicks solo career for 2x induction. A fair assessment. As we see in the case of life or the RRHOF, life isn't fair. If it was fair Bad Company, David Gates & Bread, Iron Maiden, Procol Harum,The Cure, Scorpions etc would have been inducted long ago. Stevie Nicks solo had several gold records and a few good hits Edge Of Seventeen and Stand Back." - KING

So KING if Don Henley, whose solo career happened at the same exact time as Stevie Nicks and experienced about the same amount of success as Stevie Nicks, was nominated next year; would you have a problem with that?

Posted by joker on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 22:10pm


It seems that Chaka Khan is in a unique situation where, IMO, her best work was with Rufus, but probably her more popular period was her solo stuff. I think in totality she is worthy of induction, but not sure how that plays out. I believe 2 of the 3 women will go in this year, and the other will go in next year. I originally predicted Janet J. for this class, and then added Stevie, after further review. Someone had mentioned earlier there is a Stevie Nicks/ Chaka Khan connection, that they are friends and share a mutual respect and admiration for each other, which could have some positive effect. I could see Stevie and Chaka/Rufus this year, and Janet and maybe Pat Benatar next year, 2 women artists in back to back years. Also Def Lepperd should be a lock, no real Rock competition from the heavier genre.

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 22:21pm


I still think Stevie will get in this year. I'll actually be shocked if she doesn't.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 22:28pm


@Will N.,

I'm the one that mentioned it but I still think Chaka's chances are low. I understand why some think Chaka has a better chance this year, but I said it last year and look what happened lmao

You see what I'm saying?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 22:29pm


So basically even Stevie Nicks can get the AME because of her great solo work and work with Fleetwood Mac.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 23:00pm


@ Timothy, Yes. Although, I would like to see Rufus get voted in, even as, at first I didn't give them much of a chance, they could get some support. I suppose I am weighing all the possibilities, and trying to formulate some kind of chemistry for this class. Originally, I did not feel Stevie's solo work, post Fleetwood Mac, was strong enough, but I think it goes way beyond that with her. As Chris F. stated so well earlier, iconic and enigmatic, and I will add otherworldly and spiritual. She seems to have the momentum going in her favor, and the Lyndsey B. suing the Mac should have no effect on her at all. That is all contractual.. I am also leaning a bit towards Todd Rundgren. All of his great material from the 70's tends to get overlooked. "Something/Anything","A Wizard, A True Star" and with Utopia, "Ra","Oops!Wrong Planet", and "Adventures in Utopia".

Posted by Will N.Yes on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 23:11pm


Yeah. Stevie WILL get in. But always expect the unexpected!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/20/2018 @ 23:53pm


Timothy Pernell,

The reason why that I think Stevie Nicks will get left behind is because of the Lindsey Buckingham controversy that's happening right now (he has sued Nicks and the rest of Fleetwood Mac for firing him and touring without him), while the others that are in the top five of the fan vote (Def Leppard, The Cure, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) have more momentum and support right now than Stevie and that's why I'm picking all of them as inductees this year, besides I just don't think that her solo career warrants induction and I would rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become members of the Clyde McPhatter club more so than Stevie, there are way too many artists on the outside looking in waiting to go in, Stevie's an icon, but she doesn't particularly need to get inducted twice when she's already in with Fleetwood Mac, so I think that her induction is wildly unnecessary and I really hope everyone is wrong about her getting inducted this year, I really hope she gets passed over and as I've said it before, I really hope she doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone.

The reason why that I'm picking LL as an inductee this year is because the ceremony is back in NYC this year and he's a native New Yorker and he's a recent Kennedy Center Honoree so he has more momentum and support right now than Stevie as well, plus, this might be his last chance for induction because Biggie, Jay-Z and Eminem are all gonna be eligible for induction in the next three years (2020, 2021 and 2022), so I think this is LL's year for induction as well as it should be.

I picked Janet as the token Female inductee over Stevie because she's had a big year with her tour, big awards (the Billboard Icon award at the Billboard Music Awards, the Radio Disney Impact award at the Radio Disney Music Awards, the Rock Star award at the Black Girls Rock! event, being named a BMI Icon at the BMI R&B/Hip-Hop Awards and the Global Icon award at the MTV EMA's) and other publicity as well, and she also has more momentum and support right now than Stevie as well.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I still don't understand why John Prine got nominated, Yes, he's a great singer/songwriter, but like Stevie Nicks, he doesn't deserve induction IMO, besides he's just too obscure to ever get inducted anyway.

so my prediction for this year's inductees (if six) are the same as before:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 00:01am


"So KING if Don Henley, whose solo career happened at the same exact time as Stevie Nicks and experienced about the same amount of success as Stevie Nicks, was nominated next year; would you have a problem with that?"

I think Henley's solo career was better (at least his hits were better) but neither deserve induction. However, their mutually shared hit "Leather and Lace" was probably one of the weaker hits for both.

Posted by Sean on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 00:30am


If we have to have a vaguely adult contemporary offshoot of a '70s supergroup, I think Phil Collins, Sting, and Steve Winwood would make more sense than Henley and Nicks, probably in that order.

Posted by Sean on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 00:35am


Totally agree, Sean. The problem is making sense isn't something the Hall does very consistently...

Posted by joker on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 00:58am


Last thing anyone wants is a Don Henley solo induction lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 03:11am


Good FRL discussion. I would say Winwood would receive induction before Phil Collins and Sting. Steve Winwood is slightly older than Phil Collins and Sting. I think Steve Winwood is in a similar position as Stevie Nicks. 50+ years in the music business. Highly respected and talented musician. Since Winwood's last nomination, he'd pick up more votes from ELO, Moody Blues, YES, Rush, and several other bands. He'd be close to a lock.
On Don Henley: Similar position as Sting. Some good hits in his solo arsenal Dirty Laundry, All She Wants To Do Is Dance, The Last Worthless Evening, New York Minute. I was surprised Sting wasn't inducted last nomination. It wasn't the strongest group of nominees. I'm in no hurry to induct Don Henley although I've liked his music. I think Phil Collins bad luck that Genesis was inducted later than Fleetwood Mac and some other people getting 2x inductions. However some times has passed since Genesis induction. Phil Collins I think would be a strong nominee next year. If Peter Gabriel is already inducted for his solo work, then Phil Collins should be Inducted. Collins really has amazing catalog of hits. He'd also be a nice Inductee draw. I think he could be Inducted in the next 5 years. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 03:32am


As I had expected, most of those aficionados of “prog” are definitely not onboard with this ballot. Now, if Jethro Tull and Duran Duran had been on this ballot, then there would have been significantly different results. Overall, most of the “prog” community cannot get behind Roxy Music. In fact some of them have even said that they definitely do not like Roxy Music. They do not feel this way, however about ELP, King Crimson, Supertramp, Procol Harum, or those two aforementioned bands (Jethro Tull and Duran Duran).

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 10:46am


Though I did say earlier that The Cure seems to be sure to get in, I did notice that the Hall still does have an American bias with their inductees.

So Def Leppard will get in but The Cure could possibly get blocked once again. I've seen it happen. And maybe the Zombies too. Two British acts would be enough (Def Leppard and Radiohead) but not three.

The inductees could look a lot like this by December:

Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
John Prine or LL (if six)

----
Again, things can go either way...

I know it may not be exciting for some members here, and I understand it, but it's exciting for me!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 17:34pm


Dave Marsh and I may disagree about Percy Sledge but he seems to agree with me about Janet.

According to Tom Lane, these are the five acts he think should've already been in the HOF by now:
Janet
LL
MC5
Roxy Music
Zombies

So in addition to Janet, he's pushing for Roxy and the Zombies though I think he no longer votes, right?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 17:47pm


I'm pretty much Dave Marsh still gets a ballot. He just doesn't serve on the nominating committee anymore.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 17:55pm


Timothy Pernell,

As much as I love Radiohead, I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Hall doesn't want a repeat of last year's Dire Straits situation, so I think that Radiohead's continued apathy towards the Hall will keep them out once again this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 18:00pm


richie,

The Hall doesn't care about lead people or members not showing up. Peter Cetera, Axl Rose, all but two members of Van Halen, the entirety of the Sex Pistols... none of that prevented the Hall from inducting an artist. While it's entirely possible that the Knopflers not showing up may have caused possible presenters to back out, ultimately, that was just a situation where somebody wasn't doing their darn job. Regardless of who shows up or doesn't, the Hall will induct Radiohead either way if the votes are there. That's how I've come to think of it.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 18:38pm


They don't care about anybody. They induct only the frontmen without the backing groups, like you said they don't care if the entire band shows up, they induct artists to attract people to the ceremony rather than acting like an honor society.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 18:56pm


With all of the predictions, different viewpoints, and wide assortment of information and hypothesis pouring in, I find it hard to arrive at definite set of inductees. I am feeling there will be 6 voted in due to the equal level of talent, and not too many clear cut choices. In an attempt to revise and narrow down the field, I am stating Def Lepperd as a definite,#1.. For #'s 2 & 3, I would say 2 out the 3 women candidates will take those. Out of Stevie N.,Janet J., and Rufus/Chaka Khan, 2 will go in, I'm leaning Stevie, and would like Chaka, but uncertain there. For the #4 slot, one of the 2, either Kraftwerk or Roxy Music, and I'm giving Roxy the nod.. #5 will go to The Cure, the Zombies, or the MC5. And #6 will be the slot for Todd Rundgren to get in, or possibly John Prine, but Todd should have the edge there. The 6th spot will provide the opportunity for a Todd R., Zombies, or MC5 to get in. As much as I would like to see Devo get selected, they will have to wait a few more years.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 22:48pm


@Nick,

Oh OK, then I hope for his sake, he sends the ballot lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 23:32pm


Will N.,

I agree that two female inductees will go in, but it won't be Chaka Khan. I wish I could be hopeful of her chances like some of y'all are but I just do not see it. From the media reports, Janet is actually winning the most media reports on her year than the other female artists are.

That's kinda how I'm looking at things lol

Now they may still not do as I expected but at this point, it's looking likely that if two female artists get in, it'll be two totally different artists. One Boomer and the other from Generation X lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 23:35pm


They put Stevie Nicks on the ballot to siphon off Janet's votes to keep her OUT of the Hall.
Aren't you aware of the GAMES that the HoF plays by now ?

It's not necessary: Stevie is ALREADY inducted.

But , a Stevie Nicks SOLO induction would divide the votes: People in the Voting Body complaining about "not enough women in the Hall" will inevitably vote for STEVIE instead of JANET... and STEVIE will get in.
The Hall will then brag that they got a woman inducted in the Hall, so they can say that they ADDRESSED the complaints...
They would rather see a STEVIE NICKS solo induction than a JANET JACKSON, TINA TURNER,or DIONNE WARWICK induction. And do you know WHY?
Because Black R&B Artists are being SHUT out OF THE RRHOF !!!
That's the SAME reason why MARY WELLS, THE MARVELETTES, and THE POINTER SISTERS are not in.

******DON'T BELIEVE IT ?******

Just WATCH and SEE just WHO gets inducted this coming Spring.....

JANET ? or STEVIE ?

******Long Live ROCK.******

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 23:38pm


And, since CHAKA & RUFUS are already 3-time losers,
...don't expect HER to get in EITHER !!!

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 10/21/2018 @ 23:42pm


Timothy,

1 female artist will get in. It wont be Chaka. Or Janet. Janet, the most deserving act of this years nominees, will sit out another year. My guess is they will put Tina Turner on the ballot next year and she will still be held back. My guess is Jackson gets in with the 2021 class. By then they may start naming acts like Annie Lennox and the Eurythmics. I hope she goes in this year. I just doubt it, it is almost the only thing I guarantee. Rundgren gets the Musical Excellence slot, and 5 artists get in without an R&B act included. I even doubt LL Cool J makes it. That opens up an Early Influence spot for the Hall to try and "diversify" this induction. I truly hope I am wrong. If this were based on merit alone the 5 nominated acts inducted would be...

1) Janet Jackson
2) Radiohead
3) The Cure
4) LL Cool J
5) Kraftwerk

Kham and Rufus, MC5, or RATM could claw there way into the 3rd to 5th spot. The rest are left in the dust. I doubt a single one of those 5 find a spot on the final ballot though.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 00:51am


I don't like how they are including artists like Al Green, Run-DMC, and Donna Summer. These artists are clearly not rock in any way. Why would you put them in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Because they are major artists and it attracts them to the dinner. I guess no one cares about this anymore.

Other artists:
Bob Marley
The Bee-Gees
Madonna
Johnny Cash

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 02:03am


I understand why people are saying Stevie's nomination was political on purpose but I still feel the Hall could pull in a surprise. Maybe I'm just optimistic?

@Anonymous,
That's why there's a difference between "rock and roll" and "rock".

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 02:11am


Chris F.,

I'm curious. Who are your picks for the HOF inductees? I agree Janet should go in, and Stevie really is not deserving of getting in twice, but I'm a little less skeptical of them only going for classic rock types this year. I believe they will not put the Zombies in, for one.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 04:10am


Anonymous, how is Bob Marley not rock? He is the epitome of a rock artist. As Timothy said, it's the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame, not the "Headbangers Ball" Hall ;)

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 04:12am


Maybe Anonymous felt inspired because it is almost Halloween, but I doubt that the Hall inducted Donna Summer to "attract her to dinner".

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 04:19am


How many times do I have to say this ??

It's The "ROCK and ROLL HALL of FAME"

*****NOT*****

The "ROCK" Hall of Fame.

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 05:08am


Or...at least it's SUPPOSED to be.

(Hmmm.....)

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 05:11am


Hi everyone!

I know it has been a couple weeks since the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee announced the nominees for the RRHOF Class of 2019. In that time for me personally, I lost an aunt to cancer; one reason why I didn't get a chance to post my thoughts on this coming election process. As well, I was somewhat taken aback by the vitriol Zuzu had brought forth earlier on in these discussions. With that out of the way, I feel it is time to talk about these nominees and who I think will go in.

First, this set of nominees marks the first time in memory that not one nominee is a first time eligible artist. I would have guessed that Beck, Dave Matthews, Weezer, Outkast, Bjork or Tool would have gotten a nomination. Suffice to say, a great deal of my family are fans of Dave Matthews; so we all seem a bit bummed out about a lack of a nomination. I'm also concerned that the formative era of pop music in my teenage years (grunge, 90s alternative, hip-hop and female singer-songwriters) are being ignored at the moment. Honestly, not seeing artists like the Smashing Pumpkins, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, The Offspring, Ozzy Osbourne, Nas, Tori Amos, Pavement, Motorhead or most egregiously Soundgarden get nominated at the least is outright baffling. We have seen this before with the Hall focusing on certain eras and genres until the well runs dry. I guess the well this time out is classic rock.

As for the nominees themselves; all of them are worthy of getting important consideration at this point in time. So now comes the question: who will go in this December? I think we will see 6 inductees at the least, and perhaps 7 at best. Going artist by artist, here are my observations on their chances and their importance.

Radiohead: These unique greats (Thom Yorke, Jonny Greenwood, Colin Greenwood, Ed O'Brien, Philip Selway) should have gotten inducted last year. I think we will see Radiohead get inducted this year, since the RRHOF needs to increase their honors for 1990's and 2000's artists of such significance that helped change the music scene beyond expectations. I doubt Radiohead not showing up will be an issue this time.

Rage Against The Machine: The only other 1990's and 2000's act on the ballot, and a band that we need now in these perilous times. Zack De La Rocha, Tom Morello, Tim Cumerford and Brad Wilk made political commentary and social anthems that resonate to this day; not to mention they are among the best and hardest rocking mixed heritage stars to come around.

Janet Jackson: She needs to go in this year. One of the most influential female artists, and one of the greatest entertainers of her time. What better way to show that Ms. Jackson is still as relevant as ever than an induction; and a guaranteed headlining performance to boot.

LL Cool J: At some point, LL Cool J will have to go in; as it would be stupid to not include this hip-hop and acting pioneer. Plus, he is a Kennedy Center Honoree; so excluding LL Cool J becomes a disservice.

Todd Rundgren: I was pleasantly surprised to see Todd Rundgren get nominated as a Performer. In the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project, Todd Rundgren went in as a non-performer; and I thought the actual Rock Hall would consider him as an inductee through the back door, as it were. Having said that, it would appear Todd Rundgren will go in this year either one of two ways. Either as a Performer or as a non-performer/Musical Excellence consideration.

Def Leppard: As of now, these greats (Joe Elliott, Steve Clark, Rick "Sav" Savage, Phil Collen, Vivian Campbell, Rick Allen, Pete Willis) are leading the fan vote. And as we know, if you win the fan vote, you get inducted. So I think Def Leppard are going in this year; and not a moment too soon.

Roxy Music: If there is a 7th pick, it will be Roxy Music. I could also see Brian Eno get inducted either as a non-performer or more appropriately as a Performer this year or in years to come. Alongside Brian Eno, Bryan Ferry, Andy MacKay, Phil Manzanerra and Eddie Jobson are uniquely qualified to get inducted as pioneers of new wave, glam rock, new romanticism and electronic music.

I think it will be these artists that either get inducted or come very close to getting inducted this year. Having said that, I have never been 100% correct in my assessments. It is entirely possible Stevie Nicks gets inducted, along with Devo, MC5, The Cure, Kraftwerk, or even the Zombies. I don't think Chaka Khan gets inducted just yet, and frankly I don't think John Prine is popular enough to warrant an immediate induction. Though I would be pleasantly surprised if it were to happen.

So, those are my picks for induction this year. Let me know what you all think about this prediction. And most importantly, let's be civil about this issue.

Just my opinions,

Lax35

Posted by Lax35 on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 09:01am


Lax35,

I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to you, on the passing of your aunt. :-(

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 09:19am


Lax35,
Sorry to hear your loss and my deepest condolences.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 09:48am


Lax35, very sorry to hear of your Aunt's passing. Cancer sucks.

Did enjoy reading your excellent writeup/predictions. Hope for better times for your family.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 13:07pm


Lax35,

Sorry to hear about your aunt and my condolences. Also, great predicted list of inductees. Anyway, stay up! And again thanks!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 13:46pm


K-Dawg,

Yeah I feel besides from Def Leppard (though there are arguments they wouldn't be considered "classic rock" though they do fit the definition for NOW), classic rock acts will get a blackout this year. I don't expect the Zombies to get in despite the fan vote push.

I also have been rethinking Radiohead's position. Initially I saw them NOT going in, but now I'm leaning towards putting Radiohead in either Stevie's place or The Cure's. If they're gonna put another rock act in this list to be inducted, it would be Radiohead and Def Leppard, not the Zombies. They could be the one act on the fan vote that LOSES (or two if I'm right on The Cure being denied an induction in spite of their chances but I think their chances are still good since this is still pretty early).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 13:52pm


Timothy Pernell,

I have to agree with you about Radiohead, I'm also thinking about putting them on my list of predictions for this year's inductees (despite everything) and I think that you should put them in place of Stevie Nicks on your list of predictions for this year's inductees as well, As I've said it before, I just don't think that Stevie's solo career warrants induction, and she'll also be hurt by the Lindsey Buckingham controversy that's happening right now (he has sued Fleetwood Mac for firing him and touring him), and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become members of the Clyde McPhatter Club more so than Stevie.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 14:22pm


K-Dawg,

This has to be one of the weirder group of nominees I have seen. Usually 5 or 6 names stick out as the obvious choices for induction by the Hall, not this time. My guess, although that horrible fan ballot the site uses now as started to throw off my predictions, goes like this:

1) Def Leppard - Guaranteed. Personally I think they define what Rock is in the only way it can be defined. Dangerous and Sexy. Of their peers, few were as successful, even less were as enduring. And say what you want about their music, but Photograph is still a damn piece of Power Pop beauty. Now... objectively they do not deserve induction this year. Largely because they are an act who should be nominated 2 to 3 times before entering the Hall. We all tend to wait forever every year for these nominations and then pass over how huge of a career highlight just the nomination is. Roxy Music had more influence, Janet surely trumps them in success, and RATM beats them in a skill by skill matchup of members. But it is Def Leppard that is the sure shot here. As a personal note I love Joe Elliot's voice (he has a face only a mother could love though), and I think Rick Allen is a damm treasure.

2) Stevie Nick's- 98%. I would give her a guaranteed if she were still leading in that fan vote on the Hall's page. What she has going for her in my opinion is a large discography and years of maintaining her star power. Name recognition is everything. Now are all of her songs groundbreaking and inspiring works of genius? No. There isn't a person in the Hall that can say that about their work either though. The ugly truth is that checkmark next to her name on a ballot is going to allow some people to say "Hey I voted for a woman, I am not sexist". When that is one of the more sexist things to do. I think in the year of the Metoo movement this ballot should have tilted in a more female direction. 3 women is not groundbreaking. Nick's being the apparent front runner is a token offering. Janet is the big name here, it should be her. Pat Benatar should have been included on this ballot. The Go-Gos, Sade, Mary Wells, The Pixies, Tori Amos, the Marvelettes, Kate Bush, and the list goes on and on. Yet it will be Nicks' time and I don't begrudge her that. She possesses one of the most unique voices in the entire pantheon of Popular Music. She is a spellbinding live performer, and like it or not the most deserving part of Fleetwood Mac's lineup. Then there is that amazing songwriting ability. Personally, I am a huge fan of Trouble In Shangri-La. Still think this nomination should have went to someone else, and this induction should go to anyone else.

3) The Zombies - 90%. The 60s happened, and the Hall seems to be terrified we will forget that the Brits invaded. Just like they seem scared to remind listeners one of the biggest types of acts were Girl Groups. Those Girl Groups led the counter attack during the British invasion. So why not nominate a more deserving act. The Marvelettes being the most obvious but also The Shangri-Las, The Chiffons, or the Crystals (Darlene Love should have been a sideman inductee never a solo artist). I am always a give credit where it is due type of person and the Zombies had some of the most timeless hits. It is why they use their songs in every single flashback. Commercial, Film, and Television. I hear Time of the Season so much I forget that they even made other records. But they did, and were a unique act at a time when uniqueness was a problem in Rock. What they did well is create sounds that lasted and that still sound fresh. Listen to She's Not There, and tell me with updated recording equipment that you couldn't hear it blaring from an alt rock station in your car. They have no competition this year from similar acts that could take votes away and that is going to help.

4) John Prine - Every year we get that inductee who seemed like an impossible person against the huge acts around them. Well every year save the first. In 1987 Bill Haley waltzed in while a plethora of bigger acts sat out. The big difference is Haley deserved eventual induction. Just not to be one of the first 40 into the Hall. Prine doesn't deserve that performer induction, but he will get it because of recent classes. I call it the Nyro effect, a somewhat iconic songwriter who is popular among artists far more than audiences. And Prine is a songwriter, in my opinion one of the most undderrated. He has a classic American way with words, a true great with few peers (I prefer his favorite collaborator Iris Dement). Every year I look at the list and find the person who is the most off base and pick them. Last year it was Nina Simone, this year it is John Prine.

5) Todd Rundgren - 85%. Scratch that, he wont make the ballot, and the Hall will pull its favorite trick of slapping someone into another category rather than just giving them a few more chances. I could write a book on how important I think Todd is, and how great I believe his work to be. But I am only talking about inducted performers this time. And while inducted, he will not be in that category.

Which means...

6) Rage Against the Machine/Radiohead - A tricky spot. It should be Radiohead, outside of Jackson they are one of the only acts nominated this year worthy of a top 100 overall spot of Rock artists. And that is a large compliment. Some argue it will be their unwillingness to be inducted that will hurt them. The Hall never seems to care about that, in fact the drama of an act not showing up is good publicity and it may work in their favor. They were so singular in their approach, so masterful in what they created, and so definitive of their era that they should have been an instant inductee. The Hall may rectify that this year. Or they may go with an equally risky pick in Rage. It would be fitting that the band so associated with a political movement and attention to self may get ushered in out of nepotism and back room dealings. Morello being on the committee helps, but his personality made me think he didnt like the idea of the nomination. Everyone wants in the Hall, and if they say they don't they are lying. Rock stars need applause, and the Hall is one of the true golden tickets in music. Rage deserves it, not sure if I think it should be this year. Their sound really sets them apart from everyone here and they were the culmination of decades of Rock finding its footing and a blend of the best parts.

These 6 are not who I would personally pick as my favorite acts of the bunch, nor the ones I would say deserve it. They are just my guess based on how the Hall does things. I was going to give that 6th spot to the Cure, but I think my adoration of them clouds my ability to objectively look at their chance. If I had to pick an alternate it would be them. And I will just restate what I have said several times. This class should be headlined by Janet Jackson. She is the most deserving, most popular, and most entertaining of the bunch. She loses against some for influence and innovation but not by much. She is by far the best performer (I have seen most of these acts in concert). As far as her instrument goes she is not the best vocalist but can hold her own in this group. She should have went in on her first induction.

And Outkast should have been here. I am furious they are not.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 14:48pm


One more thing for now I'm going to add. I can't stress enough for my own personal opinion how important the Cure going in is. They open the door for new wave. While other acts, the Clash and Talking Heads notably, have new wave elements, the Cure and Depeche Mode are the kings of the genre. It also symbolizes that the RRHOF acknowledges they are ready to admit the 80s are not just about old hard rockers and glam. Metal is on a similar path, but obviously Priest and Iron Maiden were left off this ballot, which is as dumb as leaving Depeche Mode off. I do think DM has more criteria to goin than the Cure, but Robert Smith and company are undoubtedly the face of new wave. My disappointment if they don't get in would only be rivaled by Kraftwerk's omission, and to a far greater extent, Miss Jackson if you're Nasty.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 15:32pm


K-Dawg,

I think you are correct about The Cure. I try and weigh artists against those already inducted. It is one of the reasons I say if you have Laura Nyro and Percy Sledge inducted you have a bar set. That allows the nomination of at least 500-700 acts not in yet. With The Cure however you have a truly iconic act that as you say were the face of a genre. So I tend to go through the already inducted acts and look for similar acts within the other sub genres of Rock and see how many nominations they racked up before induction. So for example acts when I consider the preeminent artists of their genre that had multiple nominations:

NWA - 4 nominations (Should have been inducted on their first)
Donna Summer - 5 nominations (Should have been inducted on her 2nd)
Jefferson Airplane - 2 nominations (Went in on the 2nd like they should havd)
Chic - 11 nominations (Should have not have seen more than 3)
Mary Wells - 2 nominations ( 2 more nominations and she should be in)

The Cure sits at 2 now. I think few artists should get a 1 nomination then inducted record. This second nomination feels like a good time. I am guessing however they get in on a 3rd nomination. My guess is that happens in 2020 for the 2021 class. My worry is that the Cure follow down a road similar to Chic, Black Sabbath, or Patti Smith. A path that the Hall often makes the most deserving bands travel. Sabbath in particular was the one act that kept making me angry year after year. The Cure is on that level, they should get in by that 3rd nomination. After that it will be a travesty. The gap in the 2 nominations, in my opinion, was already ludicrous.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 15:58pm


Regarding The Cure, I think a lot of people are failing to realize that having them on the same ballot with Roxy Music, Kraftwerk, Devo, and heck, MC5 just harms all of their chances immensely. These groups were NOTHING like each other musically, but they draw from the same well of having a lot of love from critics and barely get anything played on classic rock stations (if at all).

I mean, it should surprise NOBODY that Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks - the two acts with actual classic rock radio staples - are leading the fan vote by a country mile.

Likewise, that's what makes it so hard for me to believe anybody that says The Zombies aren't going to go in this year. They face absolutely ZERO competition within their own lane on this ballot. If the theory above about vote splitting between the above critically lauded groups is to be acclaimed, then it's almost impossible to imagine a scenario where The Zombies don't finish in at least fifth or sixth place on this ballot and earn an induction.

The hardest act to envision NOT getting in this year would have to be Todd Rundgren. He's such a slam dunk pick for the Musical Excellence category if he can't get the votes. But I say he will.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 16:30pm


Yeah I'm still pulling for The Cure to get in. They're the new wave/alternative rock act to beat if we go on the FRL and Rock Hall votes alone. And Radiohead has officially returned to my "they better be in it this time" list. I'm actually pulling Todd to be the singer-songwriter to get in as a performer. Think about it: the way the Hall votes, I think they're not gonna put John Prine in just on the Todd note alone. John picked a bad year to get nominated. Had it been 19 nominees, he might've stood a chance. But the way Questlove was talking, there might be more push to let Todd in since some thought he was already in. And then there was two or three more and this is where things get tricky...

I think the fourth act will DEFINITELY be Def Leppard. Any act that wins the fan vote is assured entry right away. When it all started, Stevie looked like a surefire shoo-in but now? I don't know... I know she has the name recognition and reputation but I think Fleetwood Mac holds her back a little. Still, she has momentum on her side and that could help her... or not?

Janet getting in would capitalize on a career-redeeming moment for her. She's been receiving industry awards in a rate that she was at before the Super Bowl. If the Hall wanted to be racially inclusive, she's in there.

That leaves inductee #6. It could be anyone except those I know that doesn't have a chance. Eliminate Prine, MC5, Rufus/Chaka, Roxy Music, Kraftwerk and Devo.

This leaves you with LL Cool J, Rage Against the Machine, and the Zombies.

Like Janet in a shorter sense, LL has also had getting some big time recognition. The Kennedy Center Honor he got should be enough to put him over but he still may be over looked because the Hall has heard a lot of complaints of them putting rappers in. Or at least rappers who showed more creativity. So on that purpose, he won't get in for quite some time.

This is where RATM could actually pull in an upset. It'll be a double victory for guitarist Tom Morello if he could get in RATM and MC5 but I doubt the latter has a chance.

The Zombies are the lone 1960s act on a list full of artists from the 70s, 80s and 90s so they immediately stand out from the pack, which could help their chances. Plus nostalgia from hippie affocionados and British Invasion fans. By all purpose, I feel that it could either be them or RATM.

Don't y'all think RATM won't get in. I actually think that they're gonna be the dark horse of 2019, not Prime.

So my revised list as it is for now:
1.) Def Leppard
2.) The Cure
3.) Todd Rundgren
4.) Stevie Nicks
5.) Janet Jackson
6.) The Zombies or RATM

But there are possibilities that Brian Eno and John Prime could still get in through the "back door". We're just gonna have to wait and see!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 16:38pm


Casper,

There have been times when some acts who got in the top five of fan votes were still denied an induction. Just saying...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 16:43pm


"This class should be headlined by Janet Jackson. She is the most deserving, most popular, and most entertaining of the bunch." - Chris F


Eh, is she really more DESERVING than Kraftwerk or friggin' Radiohead? Come on.

And as far as popularity goes, she's nowhere near the live draw that Radiohead happen to be. Kind of ironic that the Hall kept out the band that sells out any venue they want in seconds.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 16:45pm


Casper,

Spot on points. I almost feel like whomever on the nom com got The Zombies their spot this year, did a better side job of not allowing any competition to also get nominated. The Hall could have put anyone from the 1960s in to make it a fair playing field. But they did not. The Zombies have no one taking votes away from them. Where as every other sub genre and decade here has a mix that could pull votes off each other. Jackson and Radiohead were born after The Zombies mainstream success. Their only hit created during their lifetimes being Time Of The Season and the album it came from. The rest of the acts are a decade behind them. It would have been interesting to toss someone in from their era. A peer who only is comparable by era like Lesley Gore. Or grabbing a bit further back and trying the Chantels again. This ballot seems almost tailor made to get The Zombies in. I think they may have tried something similar with LL Cool J, it just doesn't work as well. He is facing other acts from his era, and some that may get a vote over him (Jackson, or Rage).

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 16:47pm


There's kind of a beautiful irony that Leppard and Nicks are the only "American classic rock radio" picks and are getting similar vote totals that are far above everyone else.

If fans of either act were actually smart, they would only vote for their favorite and leave the other off the ballot. But god forbid they have to cast a vote for Roxy Music or Kraftwerk!

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 16:49pm


Point being, if the rumor is true that the #1 fan ballot choice gets inducted every time no matter what, then why on earth would you want any other act to finish near your favorite? Under that scenario, the selections in the #2-#5 slots do not matter.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 16:50pm


Chris F, it is Paul Shaffer who goes to bat for The Zombies annually. It probably helps that he is a keyboardist and The Zombies, obviously, are renowned for Rod Argent's skills in that area.

I agree that they have the best looking ballot out of these fifteen selections are far as "lanes" go, but I don't think it was necessarily by design. It helps that acts like Procol Harum and Steppenwolf are now afterthoughts thanks to their backdoor Singles inductions, but the obvious thing going on here is that the nominating committee is clearly SICK and TIRED of seeing any classic rock act from the 70s get ushered in with ease at this point. And when these groups have four-to-seven living members joining the ballot rolls, it only slants things even further in their favor (although, curiously, there is still a big anti-metal bias among the voters).

In other words, the committee purposely avoided voting for acts like Bad Company or The Doobie Brothers to get on the ballot as that only leaves less room for their own pet projects. Despite the bajillion rock radio staples they have, I don't feel Def Leppard falls under the same category. From the UK, so they have few friends in the voting rolls and press here and they fall on the "metal" side as they are more Judas Priest than Steve Miller.

Nicks is actually the closest thing here to a standard classic rock radio choice. She's also got the singer-songwriter thing going for her that has led to acts like friggin' Donovan getting in at the first opportunity. However, the solo catalog is just SO LIGHT on importance that I don't think she happens to be a shoe-in (think Sting's lone ballot year). I actually love her first three records and that recent collection of songs from the vault (I think they were new recordings of old songs she had written but not released). But there's no classic album there, just a handful of very good ones.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 16:58pm


Strategically speaking, a vote for Todd Rundgren is the dumbest for which anybody could cast a ballot. Anybody that knows even the slightest about how the process works would be better at rolling the dice and assuming he gets in via Musical Excellence at worst. That could then open the door up for five or six performers NOT named Todd Rundgren to get in via the main category.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 17:06pm


Likewise, it's a VERY savvy move to vote for The Zombies NOW if you even remotely think they should be inducted as Performers, ever. Otherwise, the Singles category ("Time of the Season" or "She Not There" - the former extra dumb given the classic LP it comes from) looms its controversial head...perhaps MC5 ("Kick Out The Jams") also need to get in soon or risk being backdoored.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 17:08pm


Casper,

On Janet vs. Radiohead. The actual meat and bones of this nominee group. The two acts who make the conversation interesting, and the 2 acts who should both already be inducted. The only two who have the talent, popularity, and influence to be among the top 100 acts of the last century for Rock'N'Roll.

When I said headliner I meant she would actually show up and do the thing. Radiohead is just as deserving, but far less likely to even come and get the award. Radiohead has a large fan base, they put on quite the show. They get higher marks in influence and composition. Jackson however is a true entertainer. On the same level as her brother or Madonna. Popularity is a tricky thing to pin down, an act can sell out a stadium in second, chart more hits, sell more albums, or maintain a certain level of consistency over years. Yet you have to break that down by years, industry standards, size of venue, longevity of that popularity, and look at every detail that changes era by era to measure those things. Still Jackson is the more popular artist. She is one of the most successful acts of all time. Few are on that level. Radiohead has a die hard fan base, a religious like following that keeps them in that top tier. But Jackson is a cultural icon. They are fairly equal when you take everything into account. Radiohead has the cool factor, and that damn amazing run of albums.

I would say she is more deserving than Kraftwerk, by a fairly good margin. So is Radiohead. Kraftwerk, while one of my favorite acts, is not on their level. Influential, brilliant, groundbreaking, and a cult favorite. They are still not anywhere near either act. Which is hard for me to say because Kraftwerk to me is one of the few acts that matter musically.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 17:10pm


The band most in trouble due to the Singles category? Easy. The Monkees.

The category that could be welcome for fans of acts like Mary Wells or The Marvelettes that have seemingly no chance of ever getting in as their supporter continue to, literally, die is a truly agonizing thought for fans of The Monkees. Not only do they have a career well beyond a single song, but the category is just oh-so-tantalizing for those on the Rock Hall committee that never want to immortalize them since they weren't a "real band"...so induct "I'm A Believer" or "Daydream Believer" and move on. Ugh.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 17:11pm


No question that Janet was the biggest thing at her peak, even more than Def Leppard. I agree that her induction would bring a lot of interest from the general public. Chaka Khan? Not so much. Questlove needs to let that one go in my opinion.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 17:17pm


Or just backdoor her via Musical Excellence.

That brings up another can of worms. Like, how on earth did Darlene Love get inducted as a performer with that minor discography? Clearly the voting rolls are absolutely overflowing with Phil Spector obsessives just like myself...

God, imagine how amazing a class would be with three backdoor Musical Excellence selections from this ballot (Chaka, Todd and John) plus five or six inductees from that crop AND at least half a dozen Singles inductees. I mean, dayum, talk about clearing a backlog. You could see 15 or MORE snubs get in.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 17:20pm


Casper,

I think that singles category was created to shut down a few overly nominated artists for a few years by smart few on the nom com who were exhausted about hearing the same third tier acts over and over. Those artists are still going to appear on future ballots and are going to be inducted. The aging members of that committee are just getting better at putting forth 1 act to get in. The Zombies being the focus this year just means you will see other acts get a similar push year after year. A smart move, because everyone else will focus on the 14 to 19 other acts coming from a small 1975-1995 era.

Everyone could cast a vote for Rundgren, he could win the fan ballot by a million votes. They will still put him in the Musical Excellence category. He was essentially nominated for that. He is this years Carole King.

Nicks has a few advantages Sting did not. Most importantly she is a member of band that outranks his. She is a fan favorite. She is female. That is a near perfect storm for an induction.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 17:25pm


Seriously, if they stuck to that pattern for just a few years, there would seemingly be nobody left who did their important work pre-1970 that REALLY deserves it and you'd get in SO many names from after then via the ballot and Musical Excellence categories.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 17:33pm


Casper,

As for Khan. Two things pop into the conversation. The first being Rufus technical skill as a band. Listen to the records, it didnt get much better in the 1970s. Every member was a prodigy. The second thing is Khan herself which will include her solo influence on the Dance genre and Hip Hop. After all that you have that voice. An insanely talented vocalist, one of the finest of any generation. I always say guitarists get inducted out of their ability to play. Singers use an instrument much more complicated, and Khan has complete control of it. It is why she is even nominated. She is the greatest vocalist from the 1970s not in. And really one of the greatest of all time. I still think she wont see an induction this year, but that nomination is deserved. And if pet projects are an issue throw 40 percent of the hall out.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 17:33pm


They really should just draw a clear line. Performers get 25 years of eligibility and if they don't get in, relegated to the Singles and/or a new Albums category. That would make the ballots more and more focused on the 80s and beyond as the years go on. Perhaps stick to a yearly ballot of 20 names so that these acts all get a lot of chances to be inducted during their 25 year eligibility period.

Still totally think their should be a death rule as well. If an inducted band or solo performer is completely dead, then it should work like this:

- One more performer is inducted for every dead performer inductee.

- Dead performer is inducted via the SAME artist inducting them and doing a song. A family member (or family members of key band members) would briefly accept the award in between.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 17:38pm


Gonna bust out the latest Whitburn books in a second in order to discuss popularity. Enjoy, I guess.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 18:29pm


Top Pop Albums 1955-2016

1. Def Leppard - #132
2. Janet Jackson - #181
3. LL Cool J - #236
4. The Cure - #254
5. Radiohead - #272
6. Stevie Nicks - #312 (wow, surprising)
7. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - Eleven charted albums plus ten for Chaka solo (21)
8. John Prine - Fourteen charted albums including a #30 hit from 2016
9. Todd Rundgren - Fourteen charted albums
10. Roxy Music - Twelve charted albums
11. Devo - Nine charted albums
12. Kraftwerk - Seven charted albums
13. Rage Against the Machine - Five charted albums
14. The Zombies - Three charted albums
15. MC5 - Three charted albums

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 18:43pm


Top Pop Singles 1955-2015

1. Janet Jackson - #9 (Christ!)

2. LL Cool J - #160

3. Def Leppard - #205

4. Stevie Nicks - #323 (Again, great numbers for what many are seeing as a marginal nominee)

5. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - #457 all-time with 17 chart hits, not including 16 for Chaka solo (23)

6. The Cure - 18 chart hits

7. Todd Rundgren - 13 chart hits

8. The Zombies - 8 chart hits. It should be noted that their best song according to the most prestigious source, Casper, actually charted. "Whenever You're Ready" hit #110!

9. Devo - 8 chart hits

10. Roxy Music - 7 chart hits. Noticeably had little real presence before, essentially, the eighties on the US charts except for #30 smash "Love Is The Drug"

11. Radiohead - 6 chart hits. A whopping two since OK Computer although "Nude" went to #37 and is their biggest hit since "Creep"

12. Kraftwerk - 4 chart hits (Autobahn went to #25. Whowouldhavethunk?)

13. Rage Against the Machine - 4 chart hits. Does not include their UK #1, Killing In The Name (although the book mentions it).

14. MC5 - 1 chart hit (Uh-oh. Singles induction for "Kick Out The Jams" imminent?)

15. John Prine - None. Nada. Zip.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 19:02pm


Combined US Popularity

1. Janet Jackson - 3 points
2. Def Leppard - 4 points
3. LL Cool J - 5 points

4. The Cure - 10 points
4. Stevie Nicks - 10 points

6. Rufus Featuring Chaka Khan - 12 points *

7. Radiohead - 16 points
7. Todd Rundgren - 16 points

9. Devo - 20 points
9. Roxy Music - 20 points

11. The Zombies - 22 points
12. John Prine - 23 points
13. Kraftwerk - 24 points
14. Rage Against The Machine - 26 points
15. MC5 - 29 points

* If only counting Rufus Featuring Chaka Khan in the albums section, they end up at 11th for albums, giving them a score of 16 points which would tie them with Radiohead for the new #8 overall instead of #6. Then again, who knows how high they would climb on the singles rating if the solo Khan stuff was added to the Rufus total.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 19:12pm


Interestingly, Janet's commerical peak at the tail-end of the 1980s was not enough for her to even make the Top 50 artist list on the singles charts for that decade. But she is #2 for the 1990s behind Mariah Carey.

Here is the full Top 10 just to get an idea of her placement:

1. Elvis Presley - If you added James Brown's score to The Beatles, they would still trail Elvis.

2. The Beatles
3. Mariah Carey - Not in the Hall of Fame.
4. Madonna
5. Elton John
6. Michael Jackson
7. Taylor Swift - Not eligible.
8. Stevie Wonder
9. JANET JACKSON
10. James Brown


The trio of Janet, Mariah and Whitney are the highest ranking singles artists that are eligible for the Hall of Fame (either by reaching the 25 years eligibility rule or not being someone in the vein of Pat Boone).

Next ten up that are truly eligible right now are:

1. Connie Francis - Debatable as to whether she qualifies in my book

2. Paul Anka - Debatable

3. Dionne Warwick - Debatable

4. R Kelly - Debatable musically AND morally

5. Diana Ross

6. George Michael

7. Phil Collins

8. Mary J Blige

9. Boyz II Men - Debatable

10. Carpenters

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 19:24pm


The 2019 Commercial-Appeal-Only Class:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Stevie Nicks

Potential Sixth Inductee: Rufus Featuring Chaka Khan OR Todd Rundgren OR Radiohead

Musical Excellence (if he does not finish in Top 5 or 6 on Performers ballot): Todd Rundgren

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 19:29pm


Casper,

To be fair, she only released two hit albums in the '80s and Rhythm Nation was released near the end of the decade (though not really since when RN1814 came out, it was still the summer of 1989).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 20:53pm


Chris,

To be fair, Rufus and Chaka should've gotten in the first time they were picked for induction but we know how the Hall is with African American female artists, which is why I think they'll try to do a reverse this year in inducting two female acts but Chaka will not win if it came to inducting two women. If I had my way, ALL THREE WOMEN would get in (Chaka, Stevie & Janet). But I feel they'll put two and they'll induct Janet so they won't have to think of nominating her again. But Chaka is likely to get nominated again and she'll probably have enough votes this time to get in but it depends on who they'll nominate in the next few years. I sure hope Chaka's still alive when she and/or her and Rufus finally get in.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 20:56pm


So it being called the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" and not the "Rock Hall of Fame" is an excuse to have all these artists who play other types of music?

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 20:58pm


"Point being, if the rumor is true that the #1 fan ballot choice gets inducted every time no matter what, then why on earth would you want any other act to finish near your favorite? Under that scenario, the selections in the #2-#5 slots do not matter." - Chris F

AFAIK (now that people had to correct me a few times), every time they had a fan vote, every artist that went #1 was an automatic entry to the Rock Hall but anyone between #2 and #5 will probably have some trouble.

And of those in the fan vote, either three or four will get in. Noting how competitive this list seems to be, we could definitely see only three of the top five getting in. That's why when some of y'all were so sure about X, Y and Z getting in, I put in some doubts. Not saying they won't get in this year, just stating to not be surprised if they get the surprise snub.

But I do believe at LEAST three of the top five will get inducted immediately while two or three more will below the top five will get picked.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 21:08pm


@Anonymous,

Well let me put it to you like this. When the "rock and roll" term was coined by Alan Freed in 1952, who'd you think he was aiming it at? The white artists doing country music? No, it was acts that would've otherwise been redeemed R&B by now.

Then the media started to act like they were the authority on what WAS rock and roll by a very marginal definition.

So yeah there is a difference. Maybe that's why by the '60s, there became two different genres: rock and roll and simply ROCK MUSIC.

Hello...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 21:10pm


Chris F., great writeup on the nominees! Excellent analysis.

I too am dumbfounded by no Outkast nom.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 21:16pm


Lynryd Skyryrd went in on nom 7. Talk about a complete travesty...

The Cure isn't there, yet & damn well better not get there, IMO.

To me, 2nd nom inductee at worst. We sent them to our Hall in 2004. 1st ballot or 2nd inductee, I think.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 21:21pm


http://futurerocklegends.com/2019_Nominees.php#379453

Now I'm still scratching my head about Darlene Love... you'd think it would be The Crystals but since there was so much controversy over who sang what during the Wall of Sound era, I guess they felt she fit? IDK... maybe Paul Schaffer pushed for her too (I think he and Little Steven did?).

Chaka being in for M.E., nah... lol

M.E. is for artists who were more all-around. John and Todd definitely fit more of the M.E. category, which makes one think Todd may get it while John might get in as a performer, which would probably make some sense since the artsy, folksy and political singer-songwriters like Prine get in immediately after the nomination (look at Joan Baez, I forget which year she got in but apparently this is why some are skeptical about Janet's chances with Stevie Nicks getting nominated).

But what John has against him is the obscurity. He has the respect of many musicians, no doubt, but for the 1,000s who would vote, John would still consider to be the odd man out. It's not like he's Randy Newman or Donovan or Baez (who I argue should've been in EONS ago when the HOF was inducting 7 to 8 members at a time). I even think Donovan should've been in earlier than he did.

Not sure about Randy Newman though. He does have rock and roll admirers though (Henry Nilsson, who has criminally never been nominated ever, covered him in a famous album, "Nilsson Sings Newman"). Then you have the continual snubs of Carly Simon and Harry Chopin, who you'd think would be the final piece of the singer-songwriter pie but the Hall decided to sneak in someone that only musicians and folk/bluegrass fans would know.

And that's why I feel John Prine is at more at a disadvantage than Joan Baez was nominated. Patterns were meant to be broken because I BET you, if they had nominated Carly, she'd be the second female inductee with Stevie Nicks. But she didn't get a nod this year.

This is why I feel this year would be more unpredictable for those who think they're sure of certain artists getting in when they're suddenly left behind when the inductee list is announced.

Also, the induction ceremony is gonna be held at Brooklyn's Barclays Center. You'd think if they were gonna induct anyone, it'd be someone like John Prine or one of the most successful artists of all time in Janet Jackson? I'm sure they've put a lot of thought in it.

If Prine gets snubbed this year and nominated next year when the ceremony returns to Cleveland, he'd be a surefire induction then. Not now though.

This is why I feel strongly about Todd's chances to get in, not in M.E., but as a performer. Now I could be dead wrong and y'all may be right about Todd being in M.E., which would leave a big open for any artist on the list. We'll see how they'll decide though.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 21:32pm


Came across Billboard doing a 100 Greatest Alternative Artists via the 30th anniversary of the Alternative Songs chart. They did this rank-down along with the 300 most successful songs just a few weeks ago.


Already Inducted:


Inductees:

#2 - Red Hot Chili Peppers
#3 - Green Day
#5 - U2
#6 - R.E.M.
#7 - Pearl Jam
#21 - Nirvana
#94 - Elvis Costello


Eligible Already Or By 2020 Ceremony:

#9 - Weezer
#10 - The Offspring
#12 - Smashing Pumpkins
#17 - The Cure
#18 - Stone Temple Pilots
#22 - Live
#27 - Depeche Mode
#28 - Morrissey
#29 - The Smiths
#31 - Beck
#37 - Oasis
#48 - INXS
#55 - Soundgarden
#56 - The Cranberries
#59 - Siouxsie & The Banshees
#62 - Alanis Morisette
#63 - Dave Matthews Band
#65 - Collective Soul (Biggest act on the 90s rock charts if I remember correctly)
#72 - The Jesus and Mary Chain
#73 - The B-52s
#75 - Jane's Addiction
#77 - Midnight Oil
#78 - No Doubt
#80 - New Order
#82 - 10,000 Maniacs
#84 - Alice In Chains
#88 - The Replacements
#98 - Social Distortion



Not Eligible And Worth Considering When Their Time Comes:

#1 - Foo Fighters
#13 - Muse
#23 - The Black Keys
#25 - Coldplay
#34 - The Killers
#52 - System of a Down
#58 - The White Stripes
#61 - Garbage
#74 - My Chemical Romance (barely)
#93 - Arctic Monkeys
#96 - Queens of the Stone Age

Marginal Acts:

#40 - Jimmy Eat World
#41 - Audioslave
#42 - Mumford & Sons
#43 - Everclear
#46 - Goo Goo Dolls
#51 - Lenny Kravitz
#54 - Silversun Pickups
#59 - Bastille
#60 - The Lumineers
#64 - Foster The People
#69 - Korn
#76 - Cake
#81 - Counting Crows (Just some boring adult contemporary act after their classic first album)
#83 - Better Than Ezra
#85 - Soul Asylum
#86 - AFI
#89 - Third Eye Blind
#90 - Portugal. The Man
#91 - WALK THE MOON
#92 - Jesus Jones


Should Never Be Eligible (Mediocre To Crap):

#4 - Linkin Park
#8 - Incubus
#11 - Bush
#14 - Blink-182
#15 - Cage The Elephant
#16 - Imagine Dragons
#19 - Staind
#20 - Three Days Grace
#24 - Rise Against
#26 - 311
#30 - Seether
#32 - Thirty Seconds To Mars
#33 - Chevelle
#35 - Papa Roach
#36 - Kings of Leon (Yes, they are terrible)
#38 - Puddle of Mudd
#39 - twenty one pilots
#44 - Nickelback
#45 - Creed
#47 - Three Doors Down
#49 - Shinedown
#50 - Breaking Benjamin
#53 - Disturbed
#65 - Limp Bizkit
#67 - AWOLNATION (Ok, I don't know what this is)
#70 - Fuel
#71 - Big Audio (Again, who?)
#79 - Hoobastank
#87 - Fall Out Boy (Just pure garbage. Don't deny it.)
#95 - Vance Joy (Yet again, who?)
#97 - Sugar Ray
#99 - Of Monsters and Men (Doubt I have heard this)
#100 - Godsmack

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 21:42pm


Came across Billboard doing a 100 Greatest Alternative Artists via the 30th anniversary of the Alternative Songs chart. They did this rank-down along with the 300 most successful songs just a few weeks ago.


Already Inducted:


Inductees:

#2 - Red Hot Chili Peppers
#3 - Green Day
#5 - U2
#6 - R.E.M.
#7 - Pearl Jam
#21 - Nirvana
#94 - Elvis Costello


Eligible Already Or By 2020 Ceremony:

#9 - Weezer
#10 - The Offspring
#12 - Smashing Pumpkins
#17 - The Cure
#18 - Stone Temple Pilots
#22 - Live
#27 - Depeche Mode
#28 - Morrissey
#29 - The Smiths
#31 - Beck
#37 - Oasis
#48 - INXS
#55 - Soundgarden
#56 - The Cranberries
#59 - Siouxsie & The Banshees
#62 - Alanis Morisette
#63 - Dave Matthews Band
#65 - Collective Soul (Biggest act on the 90s rock charts if I remember correctly)
#72 - The Jesus and Mary Chain
#73 - The B-52s
#75 - Jane's Addiction
#77 - Midnight Oil
#78 - No Doubt
#80 - New Order
#82 - 10,000 Maniacs
#84 - Alice In Chains
#88 - The Replacements
#98 - Social Distortion



Not Eligible And Worth Considering When Their Time Comes:

#1 - Foo Fighters
#13 - Muse
#23 - The Black Keys
#25 - Coldplay
#34 - The Killers
#52 - System of a Down
#58 - The White Stripes
#61 - Garbage
#74 - My Chemical Romance (barely)
#93 - Arctic Monkeys
#96 - Queens of the Stone Age

Marginal Acts:

#40 - Jimmy Eat World
#41 - Audioslave
#42 - Mumford & Sons
#43 - Everclear
#46 - Goo Goo Dolls
#51 - Lenny Kravitz
#54 - Silversun Pickups
#59 - Bastille
#60 - The Lumineers
#64 - Foster The People
#69 - Korn
#76 - Cake
#81 - Counting Crows (Just some boring adult contemporary act after their classic first album)
#83 - Better Than Ezra
#85 - Soul Asylum
#86 - AFI
#89 - Third Eye Blind
#90 - Portugal. The Man
#91 - WALK THE MOON
#92 - Jesus Jones


Should Never Be Eligible (Mediocre To Crap):

#4 - Linkin Park
#8 - Incubus
#11 - Bush
#14 - Blink-182
#15 - Cage The Elephant
#16 - Imagine Dragons
#19 - Staind
#20 - Three Days Grace
#24 - Rise Against
#26 - 311
#30 - Seether
#32 - Thirty Seconds To Mars
#33 - Chevelle
#35 - Papa Roach
#36 - Kings of Leon (Yes, they are terrible)
#38 - Puddle of Mudd
#39 - twenty one pilots
#44 - Nickelback
#45 - Creed
#47 - Three Doors Down
#49 - Shinedown
#50 - Breaking Benjamin
#53 - Disturbed
#65 - Limp Bizkit
#67 - AWOLNATION (Ok, I don't know what this is)
#70 - Fuel
#71 - Big Audio (Again, who?)
#79 - Hoobastank
#87 - Fall Out Boy (Just pure garbage. Don't deny it.)
#95 - Vance Joy (Yet again, who?)
#97 - Sugar Ray
#99 - Of Monsters and Men (Doubt I have heard this)
#100 - Godsmack

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 21:42pm


Understood. It's up to them what defines "rock and roll" whether I agree or not.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 21:54pm


Hmmm. Looking at the list of what was big on the alternative charts, you can kind of get the sense of why the Hall's old guard on both the nominating committee and the voting body just feel there isn't much of merit from the 80s and beyond. Of course, that's because they are ignoring indie or left-of-center acts like Tori Amos or yet to be nominated hip hop acts like Outkast, etc.

But just take a look at the small crop from the Top 50 on the airplay chart:

#9 - Weezer
#10 - The Offspring
#12 - Smashing Pumpkins
#17 - The Cure
#18 - Stone Temple Pilots
#22 - Live
#27 - Depeche Mode
#28 - Morrissey/#29 - The Smiths
#31 - Beck
#37 - Oasis
#48 - INXS


Beck only just became eligible. Weezer and Oasis aren't until next year. Perhaps I should have chucked Live into the marginal category as they're kind of similar to the Counting Crows in that they have one generally huge and well respected album and then did a bunch of junk that nobody really cares about in the decades since. Perhaps The Offspring also fits "marginal" even though they are inductees on this website. Their career certainly smells more of Blink-182 than Green Day.

So, what are we left with in terms of the truly big mainstream from this scene that are already eligible?

The Cure, The Smiths (which includes Morrissey), Depeche Mode - groups that have already received nominations

Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots - Two acts that would desperately need the right adherents on the nominating committee. Doubt there is anybody on it right now that would try and get them on the ballot.

INXS - Likely have friends on the committee but had a short run at their commercial and artistic peak.



Looking at it from this perspective, you can kind of understand why the elderly crop is so dismissive. Even if they actually bothered listening to the alternative scene of the last thirty years, there aren't too many mathematical slam dunks from a commercial perspective.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 21:54pm


BTW, the reason acts like Skynyrd or David Bowie or Pink Floyd had to inexplicably wait is rather obvious to me.

The Rock Hall's earliest voting body was disproportionately stacked with writers who received credentials for being in the industry forever, thus they were more appreciative of the 50s/60s at the expense of what came later.

And then there's the elephant in the room. Black voters. The Hall's early years disproportionately kept inducting black artists with an R&B bent, so who did you think they were going to vote for, Ruth Brown or David Bowie? Percy Sledge or a guitar band? Etc. And good luck getting these people to vote for a hard rock act if they were going to vote for guitar bands at all.

Now we have a voting body that has been slanted heavily to white classic rockers. And the voting results now reflect this more and more.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 21:57pm


The Hall's problem with the voting body has been the same throughout the decades. They need to give younger artists and younger writers voting status and that will help balance things out. Otherwise, you're going to keep asking the ancient and elderly to evaluate music that was released when they turned sixty years of age and beyond. Do you really expect them to favor Radiohead over their own recording peers or childhood/teenage LP favorites?

The Grammys have ran into the same problem and done next to nothing to fix it.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 22:00pm


Wow, Casper, busting out the commercial tracking data. That's usually Roy's or my bailiwick. Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10/22/2018 @ 23:29pm


@Paul in KY,

Haha, you definitely don't want The Cure in, huh? :)

Well there is a possibility still that they could be skipped over.

I did something dramatic this morning: on the Rock Hall fan vote, I decided to vote just for my two favorite artists on the list:

Todd and Janet :P

I feel constantly voting for five would take away from them in a sense. I actually would be tickling myself if Todd ended up being #1 over Stevie, The Cure and Def Leppard. Probably not possible though. But there's some chance! :D

Oh and Janet being top five. :) But she'll probably still be #6 by December 9th lol

I know folks don't like the fan votes at all but they're kinda fun to me.

Tomorrow morning I'd be back voting my favorite top five picks again. :)

@Phillip,

Yeah, that was great how he posted all of that stuff. Amazing that Janet is almost near the top of those lists!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 02:05am


Casper,

Taking some of your list & commenting on acts I have personally seen:

#40 - Jimmy Eat World - great live act
#46 - Goo Goo Dolls - several killer tunes. Also a great live act,
#54 - Silversun Pickups - Seen once, excellent set
#60 - The Lumineers - Fun to see live, need more than Hey Ho
#64 - Foster The People - 5 badass songs. Excellent live.
#69 - Korn - 2 wacky sets I've seen. Mucho crowd surfing
#76 - Cake - Sorta meh for me.
#81 - Counting Crows - Saw 4 songs before weather cut em
#83 - Better Than Ezra - Fun band to see.
#89 - Third Eye Blind - One of the best of this genre, IMO. Crowds love em.
#90 - Portugal. The Man - An up-and-coming band. Wacky 0100 set at Bonnaroo
#91 - WALK THE MOON - Excellent pop band.

Should Never Be Eligible (Mediocre To Crap):

#8 - Incubus - Good live act. Not really my cup of tea.
#14 - Blink-182 - Great, enduring pop-punk act
#15 - Cage The Elephant - Much, much better than you think. One of best live acts I've seen.
#16 - Imagine Dragons - Overrated, IMO.
#20 - Three Days Grace - Several killer tunes. Hurt by firing of original lead singer, IMO.
#24 - Rise Against - Kids love em.
#30 - Seether - Pretty cool set
#32 - Thirty Seconds To Mars - Seem em once, enjoyed set. Jared is an excellent front man.
#35 - Papa Roach - Fine band, not many great songs since Lovehatetragedy
#38 - Puddle of Mudd - Fine set at small venue.
#39 - twenty one pilots - Fantastic live act. Many songs sound the same.
#47 - Three Doors Down - One of the best Alt-Pop bands. Great live sets.
#49 - Shinedown - Another band that gives you your money's worth when seen live.
#53 - Disturbed - Lead vocalist really good, looks like Varys.
#65 - Limp Bizkit - Very raucous live set. Not many songs that I like.
#67 - AWOLNATION - Pop band. Sorta like Walk the Moon
#87 - Fall Out Boy - Patrick Stump is one hell of an entertainer.
#99 - Of Monsters and Men - Iceland. Only seen them once & boy do I want to see them again.
#100 - Godsmack - Fine live set. Too much drum solo.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 09:54am


Ah, I know Of Monsters and Men, actually and they are solid. I did not think that they had enough radio hits to be at #99 so I figured it was some other group.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 10:08am


@ Timothy, Yes. Although, I would like to see Rufus get voted in, even as, at first I didn't give them much of a chance, they could get some support. I suppose I am weighing all the possibilities, and trying to formulate some kind of chemistry for this class. Originally, I did not feel Stevie's solo work, post Fleetwood Mac, was strong enough, but I think it goes way beyond that with her. As Chris F. stated so well earlier, iconic and enigmatic, and I will add otherworldly and spiritual. She seems to have the momentum going in her favor, and the Lyndsey B. suing the Mac should have no effect on her at all. That is all contractual.. I am also leaning a bit towards Todd Rundgren. All of his great material from the 70's tends to get overlooked. "Something/Anything","A Wizard, A True Star" and with Utopia, "Ra","Oops!Wrong Planet", and "Adventures in Utopia".

Posted by Will N.Yes on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 11:02am


Casper,


"Should Never Be Eligible (Mediocre To Crap):"

I vote to make mediocre to crap the official rating system for all things. Next to the side comment you left on R Kelly earlier it may be my favorite use of words in a post so far.

As for Live, I think you were right for leaving them in that first group. Even if they seem a little off place. Acts like Live, those that had huge popularity and acclaim over a smaller period of time, are the natural inheritors of what the Hall has done to the 60s Brit Invasion acts, and what we are now seeing with the Hair Metal sounds of the 80s. By that I mean those acts are going to start piling into the ballot as 90s nostalgia grows.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 13:07pm


Timothy,


"To be fair, Rufus and Chaka should've gotten in the first time they were picked for induction"

I don't think Khan and Rufus should have been a surefire bet for a first time nomination induction. While fantastic all around, two nominations is never a slight in my eyes. The main problem was the travesty of a class that got in that year. I thought the Hall had broke apart for a minute when Laura Nyro and Faces somehow flew past some of the toughest competition anyone could face. They knocked out not only Rufus and Khan, but Heart, Donna Summer, The Cure, Eric B. & Rakim, War, and The Spinners. 2 acts that didnt deserve it then, and probably still do not today, managed to be inducted over that group who became some of the biggest snubs in the Halls history. And then Freddie King got slammed into the Early
Influence category.

"If I had my way, ALL THREE WOMEN would get in (Chaka, Stevie & Janet)."

Honestly I could let Stevie sit this one out. Induct Janet and Chaka and let Stevie go up against Tina Turner, Cher, and Mariah Carey in a battle royal of next years nominations.

"But I feel they'll put two and they'll induct Janet so they won't have to think of nominating her again."

I would love a Janet induction, if I let my personal views dictate my induction predictions Janet would be there. She just seems to be walking down the same road Donna Summer did.

As for Khan's health and getting inducted. The woman is fine. I worry about the members of Rufus more. They have a combined 5 total nominations, which is the bar most snubbed acts meet before getting in (around the 6th). That voice is still in beautiful shape. I saw her in concert a couple of years back. I am still not sure how she gets her voice to do all of that.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 13:31pm


I can't even look at the fan vote results anymore. It's too painful to watch.

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 14:10pm


Who are you rooting for, Michael?

Chris,

The Hall the year Baez and the Faces got in, I was so mad that I didn't return to the site for like weeks. I had a similar reaction to the 2014 induction lol

But yeah, Chaka will be alright for a good number of years. She's one of the ultimate survivors too. So if Rufus/Chaka misses their 2019 induction chances, I expect Chaka solo to be nominated again for 2020. Who knows? Either woman (or both Janet and Stevie getting in) could open more doors for her (just in case Tina doesn't get a similar solo nod next year).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 15:22pm


Who are you rooting for, Michael?

Chris,

The Hall the year Baez and the Faces got in, I was so mad that I didn't return to the site for like weeks. I had a similar reaction to the 2014 induction lol

But yeah, Chaka will be alright for a good number of years. She's one of the ultimate survivors too. So if Rufus/Chaka misses their 2019 induction chances, I expect Chaka solo to be nominated again for 2020. Who knows? Either woman (or both Janet and Stevie getting in) could open more doors for her (just in case Tina doesn't get a similar solo nod next year).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 15:22pm


My ballot, if I were permitted to vote:

Kraftwerk
Devo
Roxy Music
Janet Jackson
The Cure
Radiohead
LL Cool J

Yes, I listed 7 choices, because the 5 inductees maximum is absurd; it only creates a longer backlog of worthy artists.

As I advised earlier, I'd be cautiously optimistic about this ballot. The Hall of Shame has a real chance to redeem themselves here, but if Johnny-come-latelies like Rage Against the Septic Tank, non-rockers like John Prine (singer-songwriter types are NOT rock, there's any no energy or rhythm, to that pablum), and flavor-of-the-month acts like Def Leppard (whom I actually enjoy, but ONLY until Pyromania) are inducted at the expense of truly groundbreaking, innovative artists, then it may truly be time to pull the plug here. The notion of rock 'n' roll being white guys with guitars needs to be taken behind the barn and shot dead.

Someone asked about which artists others would have removed? Hmm, I like this challenge! None of the following are objectively important to the artistic evolution of rock, so let's apply the eraser to these unworthies:

Buffalo Springfield
James Taylor
Randy Newman
The Eagles
Percy Sledge
Ritchie Valens
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Laura Nyro
Dion
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Band (Roots rock is NOT innovative or indicative of evolution in a musical genre; you don't evolve by regurgitating the past)
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
George Harrison (The real artistic achievements of these 3 were in the Beatles, not their solo careers)
Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
The Young Rascals
The Mamas and the Papas
Billy Joel
Del Shannon
The Lovin' Spoonful
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Gene Pitney
AC/DC
Jackson Browne
John Mellencamp (or, as Beavis & Butt-head aptly called him, "the guy with all those last names")
Bob Seger
The Pretenders
Neil Diamond
Donovan
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Joan Baez
Linda Ronstadt
Cat Stevens
Joan Jett & and the Blackhearts (whom I once loved, but quickly grew tired of her repetitive schtick)
Heart
Jefferson Airplane
Bee Gees
Steve Miller
Bon Jovi
Dire Straits
Pearl Jam
Green Day

I think I can hear the rockists and baby boomers preparing to chase me down with torches. :) My Rock & Roll Hall of Fame would have much harder criteria to pass, and honor innovation + influence (as long as the influence is carried forward in new directions, not merely repeating past glories) above all else.

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 16:06pm


The following acts have been long ignored (or nominated yet passed over for marginal acts) and must be inducted for evolving rock 'n' roll into an art form and their innovations/re-inventions:

Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Link Wray
Dick Dale
The Marvelettes (the last truly worthy Motown group
War
King Crimson
Can
Roxy Music
T. Rex
Kraftwerk
Brian Eno
Tangerine Dream
The New York Dolls
Neu!
The Residents
Devo
Pere Ubu
Suicide
Cluster
Buzzcocks
Public Image Ltd.
The Jam
Judas Priest
Henry Cow
Human League
Iron Maiden
Japan
Cabaret Voltaire
Tuxedomoon
The Pop Group
The Slits
The Raincoats
Throbbing Gristle
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Bauhaus
Killing Joke
Kate Bush
Gang of Four
Cocteau Twins
Dead Can Dance
The Specials
Madness
Ian Dury and the Blockheads
The Damned
Gary Numan
Joy Division
New Order
Afrika Bambaataa
The Smiths

It's no accident that the bulk of my list is comprised of Krautrock, ambient, industrial, post-punk, synthpop, goth rock, and other styles of alternative/avant-garde music. These genres have little to no representation in the Hall, and have loads of tangible I&I. Rockists and baby boomers (not all, but many) may be oblivious, but their types are thankfully dwindling. Read Simon Reynolds' Rip it Up and Start Again for reference on the importance of post-punk and its associated genres, it's an amazing book!

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 16:37pm


Zach - My biggest criticism of your list for induction is that I would consider it a travesty to induct The Special and Madness without having Prince Buster, Ernest Ranglin, Toots And The Maytals, Lee Scratch Perry, or The Wailers (only Bob Marley was inducted without The Wailers)in the HOF, among other Ska and Reggae greats. To me that would be like putting Led Zeppelin and Cream in the HOF without having inducted people like Muddy Waters and John Lee Hooker.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 17:14pm


Shrek, I did not intend to omit those greats of Ska and reggae. Both genres are in dire need of greater representation of the Hall. I am humbly apologetic for the unintentional omissions. My list was not intended as an end-all, be-all, but a beginner. I should also add that the Specials and Madness are worthy choices for their advancing of ska; the Specials did it by blending ska with punk (and then later reggae, exotica, and other styles on their second album, More Specials) and Madness did it by adding British music hall and pub rock influences. The 2-tone movement was a huge deal in the UK in 1979-81, and had far-reaching effects domestically and abroad (i.e., American acts like the Untouchables and Mighty Mighty Bosstones, adjacent bands like UB40 and Dexy's Midnight Runners)

Just though of 3 more bands mandatory for induction: Sparks, the Fall, and Wire.

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 17:42pm


Thanks for the clarification Zach.

Other than that, rather than going for your head out of "rockist" nostalgia - I would simply take exception, based on their innovation merits, to a number of acts on your list that you feel did not advance or move forward the artform. I understand your argument for a lot of them, if that is the single criteria you want to use for induction, but I feel you miss the innovation of quite a number of the people on your list. I think perhaps you have some blind spots because the style of those bands may not be in a lane you have affinity for; but really those are quibbles over a subject that is much less pertinent than the discussion of overlooked bands that should be in - nobody is going to start ejecting HOF members.

As far as English 2-Tone, I'm also surprised you left out The Beat. For me, their albums hold up the best of any from that scene; though all those 2-Tone bands released infectiously good singles.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 19:35pm


Zach,

If only you could have your way. I enjoy seeing how heavily you weigh influence. And how non American centered your picks are.

The Slits
The Raincoats
Throbbing Gristle
Siouxsie and the Banshees

If those four could go in I would be delighted. I doubt it. But to me not much matches The Slits in personal preference. I'd be happy with just some nomination recognition from the majority of your list (Not all of them though).

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 19:39pm


Timothy,

If you're ever interested there is a video of Chaka high as five kites singing with Gladys Knight and Etta James at a BB King gig. Watching Knight and James, both with a dark past themselves, essentially hold up Khan is a sight to see. Khan however manages to open up that mouth and blow like a horn. A damn feat when you see how bad drugs impact other vocalists live shows. Especially those who rely so heavily on impeccable technique.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 19:46pm


Shrek, my list of acts whom I believe are unworthy of induction was a response to an inquiry posed by Mark Tesla. The original post follows, verbatim:

It would be interesting to see some of you list artists that were inducted into the Hall who you feel do not belong. I'll go with Randy Newman and solo Ringo Starr.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 10.15.18 @ 21:03pm

Keep in mind I enjoy the music of a few of the acts I've deemed undeserving (Ritchie Valens, Del Shannon, Neil Diamond [the latter for only 1 song, Cherry Cherry]), but their overall careers don't scream "All-time legends" to me. You're absolutely right that some of the acts I disqualified represent genres I loathe (most notably roots rock and singer-songwriter, which I utterly despise, with very few exceptions). Honestly, the only case you can make for inducting some of the unworthies I listed is they either correspond to the biased Nominating Committee's preferred era (Percy Sledge, Lovin' Spoonful) or they sold millions without really adding anything new or fresh (Bee Gees, Eagles). I don't strictly adhere to Innovation & Influence, as there are acts whose legacies are so pervasive it would be erroneous to exclude them (Madonna, KISS, and the Grateful Dead, to name a few). That said, I feel the Hall of Fame has leaned too heavily on a particular era (namely the mid 60s through mid 70s) at the expense of other periods, leading to the inductions of acts who are nowhere as important (e.g., Ronstadt, Spoonful, Donovan) as the truly heavy hitters of the same period (e.g., Aretha Franklin, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd).

There are acts who score high on innovation but little on other criteria. I love Wall of Voodoo to death, particularly the Stan Ridgway period, but their style is so singularly unique (I like to call it spaghetti western soundtrack industrial) that few have attempted to expand and build upon it (Timbuk 3 is the only band I can think of that sounds remotely close to WoV).

One last thought: I am absolutely sick to death of those who disqualify acts like Roxy Music (some of whom have posted on this very thread) because they weren't commercially successful in the U.S.. That line of thinking strikes me as jingoism, and even as an American, it offends me to see the accomplishments of non-American acts disparaged (That, and I prefer non-American rock and pop). It is admittedly true that Roxy Music's impact was/is greater outside the U.S., but that does not detract from their importance. Quite a few American acts have cited and shown Roxy Music influence (e.g., The Cars, Pere Ubu, Devo).

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 20:16pm


@Chris,

I know what clip you're referring. It's all over YouTube. You can tell Chaka was going through a very bad drug period there. But yet she was still singing like the mighty vocalist she is. The Wrath of Khan, indeed.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 21:02pm


Timothy,

I just enjoy watching Etta who struggled so much with addiction and how she interacts with Khan. There is not a bit of judgement there, just one great artist taking care of another.

Zach,

I may have missed a few posts but it seems most comments here pointed out that the Hall is the problem and top American focused for Roxy Music. None of them seemed to disregard the achievements of the band, just that the Hall has a horrible tendency of focusing on acts that had success in the States. If anything the comments were critical of the narrow focus of the Hall, then again we all seem to love to judge the Hall for one reason or another. I actually think Roxy has a 50/50 shot of getting in this year. If they fail I feel it will be more based on the Hall only having seen this nomination once. They are a band that can be better served by multiple nominations.

As for Wall of Voodoo, a group I am happy to see even brought up in conversation, you make a solid point. Sometimes I wonder if uniqueness and creativity are mixed up with true innovation. Innovation has to be used afterwards to be of value. An artist can create something first. But if it isn't applied by other important acts does the innovation become equal in weight to other creations that did.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 21:19pm


@Timothy Pernell

Devo
Kraftwerk
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
The Cure

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 21:24pm


Michael,

I see lol

I only see two of these acts actually getting in this year.

Speaking of, I just checked the fan vote on the RRHOF site and is it me or is Todd now #3 ahead of The Cure?! :o

You think he'll get close to Stevie?! I know it seems impossible but I thought The Cure would pull in more votes. So this is quite surprising!

Also Rage Against the Machine looks to be this close to go pass Radiohead at this rate (and possibly DEVO in the next few weeks).

Janet's closing in on 100,000 fan votes...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 00:43am


Chris,

Yeah Etta definitely understood what Chaka was going through (Gladys on the other hand...lol).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 00:44am


I posted this on The Immortals last month, but I think I'll repost it here, as this is a better place. Now that we know the 2019 class, there's only one act not old enough in the book.:

Back in 2007, VH1-Classic published a book called "Legends of Rock" that I got for Christmas that year. 100 acts were given a profile. (Some better than others, some longer than others) Let's take a look at those 100 acts and if they are in the Hall!

Inducted before the book was published:

AC/DC
Aerosmith
The Allman Brothers Band
The Band
The Beach Boys
The Beatles
Chuck Berry
Black Sabbath
Blondie
David Bowie
James Brown
The Byrds
Eric Clapton
The Clash
Elvis Costello
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Crosby, Stills, and Nash
Bo Diddley
The Doors
Bob Dylan
Eagles
Aretha Franklin
Grateful Dead
Jimi Hendrix
Buddy Holly
Jefferson Airplane
Elton John
Janis Joplin
The Kinks
Led Zeppelin
Jerry Lee Lewis
Little Richard
The Mamas and The Papas
Bob Marley
Joni Mitchell
Van Morrison
Parliament-Funkadelic
Pearl Jam
Tom Petty
Pink Floyd
The Police
Elvis Presley
The Pretenders
Prince
Queen
Ramones
R.E.M.
The Rolling Stones
The Ronetts (Their induction is mentioned in the book)
Santana
Sex Pistols
Simon and Garfunkel
Sly and The Family Stone
Patti Smith
Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen
Talking Heads
Ike and Tina Turner
Van Halen
The Velvet Underground
The Who
Stevie Wonder
Neil Young
Frank Zappa
ZZTop

Inducted after the book was published:
Alice Cooper
Donovan
Small Faces/The Faces
Guns N' Roses
KISS
John Mellencamp
Metallica
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Steve Miller Band (Sort of)
Tom Waits

Not Inducted:
Beck
Captain Beefhart
The Cure
Jefferson Starship and Starship (The book grouped all three bands in one, the Hall did not)
Carole King (though she is in as a songwriter)
New York Dolls
Nine Inch Nails
Gram Parsons
Pixies
Iggy Pop (though his band The Stooges are in)
Radiohead
Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers
Roxy Music
The Shangri-La's
The Smiths
T. Rex
Television
Weezer
Wilco


The White Stripes are not old enough to be nominated next year, but this is all of them. Of them, all of them probably should get in. After all, three of them are nominated this year!

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 04:15am


What's with all the "R"s on this year's ballot?

Rufus
Roxy Music
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 10:02am


In the fan vote, is it me or has the numbers for Stevie stopped growing so much? Todd's catching up...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 10:22am


Could be strategic. Best way for Def Leppard fans to pad the lead is to NOT vote for Stevie Nicks.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 12:02pm


Casper,

And many are starting to vote for Todd Rundgren in droves. The Cure was in third place for a long time and then Runt caught up with them lmao

It wouldn't shock me by next month that Todd would be #2 behind Def Leppard. But I've noticed Def Leppard's vote is still going on!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 12:34pm


I still think that fan ballot is a disastrous idea. I can't wait for the nominating committee to finally make a mistake and stir up a bees nest of the most die hard fanbases.

Popularity is the most easily defined and tracked quality of a great artist. Not an essential component to greatness, still a criteria. Polling does little to showcase popularity, even less to realistically indicate an artist's success.

Not to mention I think giving the ballot the little weight it does is offensive to the one true thing that matters to act, the applause of the fans.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 12:53pm


Follower,

I always find those types of books so interesting. There is always the guaranteed legends (Elvis), the middle group who are almost always a given (Van Morrison), and then the one or two who obviously the author wanted to mix it up with for the sake of being different (The Modern Lovers)

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 13:50pm


Ruh roh...

https://www.rockhall.com/fanvote/standings

Radiohead is about to drop behind Rage Against the Machine soon!

Chris,

I know Stevie Nicks, Zombies and/or The Cure fans are gonna be mad if the Hall decides "eff it, we ain't inducting them, let them squirm."

Someone's fan base with any of the top four (minus Def Leppard) is gonna be pissed off on the second week of December.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 14:55pm


Casper:

I know I'm two days behind your discussion of the "alternative" popularity listing, but I'd like to mention one or two things.

One, the very idea of an"alternative" popularity list seems to be a contradiction in terms. After all, what is the "alternative" to popularity? Obscurity? Certainly those acts are far from obscure. I have a hard time believing you can rank what's supposed to be alternative based on popularity. The fact is, it's rock that they should be defining, and that is what those groups are - "Rock" music acts (for the most part).

I'll always agree w/you when you say that the old guard needs to move over for a younger group of voters. In all the yelling over who could (and should) be inducted, there is still no Alice, no STP, no Soundgarden, no Blur, no Black Crowes, no lots of bands from just under the recent 25 years cutoff date.

Judging from some other writers on here, I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that the Hall really doesn't know which way to go. Someone else mentioned that Biggie, and some other rappers, were coming up in the rear view. That'll be fun, especially when you see which senior acts they hope to dance around us and into the Hall also share a ballot. There's an awful lot of music they've left behind, and it'll be interesting as to how the what's, why's and wherefore's of their choices come to pass.

Thanks for the list (even if I'm not buying it!). It was fun to see.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 21:23pm


Well, the list is actually a mathematical construct from Billboard via the Alternative Rock airplay charts over the last thirty years. It's not perfect though since big hits now tend to chart WAY longer as the format has only allowed LESS music to thrive, and generally, less memorable music over the last 10+ years.

Same with those other lists I pointed out from the Whitburn books (which are derived from the Billboard charts).

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 22:13pm


If Roxy Music gets in, it'll be because of Brian Eno. After all, Dire Straits and Electric Light Orchestra got in due to having members that are highly respected in the field.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 22:39pm


If Roxy Music gets in, it'll be because of Brian Eno. After all, Dire Straits and Electric Light Orchestra got in due to having members that are highly respected in the field.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 22:46pm


Follower,

I know, but Eurythmics were passed over last year despite Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart both being highly respected in the field, and Eno wasn't in the group for very long, so I think that because they were more popular overseas than they were in America, and they probably are too British for the current voting committee, so I think they'll be passed over this year just like Eurythmics were last year.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 22:55pm


The 60’s are over. Look at the last few nominee lists. As it should be, the door is closing on them. Take an act that debuted in 1969, they have been eligible since 1994 (24 years). That’s enough time. Move on. This is the Hall Of Fame, not the hall of very good.

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 10/24/2018 @ 23:05pm


Casper,

As created as that list is. It still showcases what artists were doing the most by sales and airplay in that genre. The construct is the genre itself. Alternative became as mainstream as it could despite those who held it in such high esteem for what they perceived as different.

Cheesecrop,

The old guard serves as much as a purpose as anyone else. The problem stems more from who they choose to idolize. There are still plenty of 40s through 60s acts worthy of inclusion. A diversified body would help settle that. Generational differences have little to do with it usually. As the famous lyric goes... meet the new boss, same as the old boss. All a change of guard does is move the spotlight up by era. To focus too heavily on any one spot is dangerous, and not definitive of the genre. I always say add 10 people of the average age of the nom com to the mix, but who are not represented yet, and see how quickly that shifts the direction of the classes.

Timothy,

I agree. When I said die hard fan bases I meant more those groups of fans who really adore an act the Hall may nominate but not one to induct quickly. A massive Pop diva taking the top spot, a rapper coming in first by 2000 votes, or a random artist who an army of trolls decides to get behind just to mess up the outcome. If every artist who is number one on the fan ballot gets in, but suddenly an artist tops the ballot unexpectedly, how will the Hall react? They have set a dangerous precedent.

Classic Rock,

The 60s will never be over. The only difference is how much more effective that generation has become at getting their acts in. The Hall has been criticized with not giving more attention to the post 1975 world of Rock. Still allowing just 1 or 2 nominees from that earlier era a chance helps them when the rest of the acts overlap in their careers. That is why I think about 25 nominees a year would be far better. Allow around 5 artists from each of the eligible decades to be nominated. And then see how those acts do against each other. The 1950s is still filled with acts who should go in. If 1 were to be included in the inducted artists every 3 years it would serve to remind people how important that early period was. Just as much as it would to see 2 acts a year from the 90s find a place. And nominate a different group every year. Never allowing consecutive nominations.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 10/25/2018 @ 01:26am


@ Classic Rock

I’d would hate to see the Nom Com stop embracing the 50’s and 60’s and it also goes to show why they desperately need a veterans committee. The HOF is supposed to be a historical celebration of the past from the beginning of Rock N’ Roll through the early 90’s (at this point so far time wise) - not getting yourself ahead with a more current era of music.

A variety of decades still matters to me and you have some good names from that era left who has yet to be inducted. I know this will happen as a business practice, since they are aware the demographics changes overtime (at least here in the States). But I’d hate to see it that happen.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 10/25/2018 @ 01:29am


Casper,

The precedent was set the first time it was created, which was in late 2013 when KISS won the first one (Deep Purple was #3 on that list while the top two - KISS and Nirvana - went in as did Hall & Oates, who placed fifth, while Deep Purple and fourth place finisher Yes waited several more years to get in).

I'm thinking a similar pattern will take place this year, but it depends on how many ballots places the names.

As it stands, Def Leppard is the undisputed leader with over 261,490 votes so far as October nears the end, followed by Stevie Nicks, who had started off as the leader of the fan vote until Leppard fans began to realize they were only behind the Queen of Fleetwood Mac (Nicks has 231,676 votes), followed by Todd Rundgren, who was #4 when the fan vote began and now #3, with 144,271 votes. The Cure drops to #4 with 141,390 votes, followed by fifth place finishers the Zombies with 124,319 votes.

I can see them picking just three of the top five, while picking the other two or three by ballot numbers. Which makes Hall of Fame inductions very unpredictable.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/25/2018 @ 02:18am


Ugh... I always miscontrue history lol

The fan votes started in 2012 with Rush and 'em.

Deep Purple placed #2 in the 2012 fan vote for the 2013 induction, got passed over (but Rush got inducted). As did Heart and Public Enemy (I forget where PE were on the fan vote but I have to imagine they were very high). And then they picked Donna Summer.

So I wonder if this list will be like 2012's?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 10/25/2018 @ 02:25am


I wondered if Def Leppard will get more votes than last year’s ballot winner. I could see Stevie make to a million too in second.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 10/25/2018 @ 09:13am


Here are my official predictions for this year's inductees (if six):

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

As much as I love Stevie Nicks, I just don't think that her solo career warrants a solo induction, and she'll also be hurt by the Lindsey Buckingham controversy that's happening right now (he has sued Nicks and the rest of Fleetwood Mac for firing him and touring without him), plus I just can't see the Hall putting two women in in the same year, and I would rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become members of the Clyde McPhatter Club and become 2X time inductees more so than Stevie, if Sting and Steve Winwood couldn't get in as solo artists in the past, then I doubt Nicks can despite her being in second place in the fan vote and her enormous influence on female musicians, there are way too many artists on the outside looking in waiting to go in, Stevie's an icon, but she doesn't particularly need to get inducted twice when she's already in with the Mac, so I think that her solo induction is wild unnecessary and I really hope everyone is wrong about her getting inducted this year, I really hope she gets passed over and as I've said it before, I really hope she doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone.

As far as Radiohead, I think that their lack of enthusiasm towards the Hall has rubbed many people the wrong way and the Hall doesn't want a repeat of last year's Dire Straits situation, so I think that Radiohead's continued apathy towards the Hall will keep them out once again this year.

As for Roxy Music, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think that they're going to be hurt by the fact that they were more popular overseas than they were in America, and as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't mean an automatic induction, plus I'm kind of certain that not a lot of people know that Brian Eno was once a member of Roxy Music and they might be too British for American voters, if Kate Bush and The Smiths couldn't get in, then I doubt Roxy Music can despite Brian Eno's many connections in the music industry and their massive influence.

As for others (Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan). they don't have much of a chance this year, so I don't think it's their year sadly.

I still don't understand why John Prine got nominated, Yes, he's a great singer/songwriter, but like Stevie Nicks, he doesn't deserve induction IMO, I just think that his nomination was a wasted one and I think his spot should have gone to either another Country/Americana artist like Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Loretta Lynn, Merle Haggard, George Jones, Glen Campbell, Conway Twitty, Waylon Jennings, Buck Owens, Kris Kristofferson, Emmylou Harris, Garth Brooks or Shania Twain, or another singer/songwriter like Gram Parsons, Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Carole King, Carly Simon or Jim Croce because they're all much more well-known and much more deserving of induction than him IMO, besides he's just too obscure to ever get inducted anyway.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 10/26/2018 @ 15:26pm


Richie,

I completely agree with Def Leppard and The Zombies, and while I don't predict LL, The Cure, or Janet I would be more than happy to see them fill out the class. I doubt there will be 6 inductees in the performers, and I am still hedging my bet on Rundgren going into the Musical Excellence category.

As for Nick's, I still don't quite see what a feud with Buckingham has to do with her chances. That near operatic drama between the 2 is and remains a catalyst for their great music. Drama creates publicity, and that is a good thing.

In regards to Prine. Often enough it is the least deserving act who gets in. You list several pure Country acts who never really crossed into Rock'N'Roll territory, or when they did created a very small ripple. Now certain ones certainly waded into the waters more often. Parton's late 70s work up through the mid 80s relied heavily on borrowed sounds from Rock's Pop edge. Emmylou Harris is only a Gram Parsons induction away from being nominated. Brooks and Twain both hailed from an era where the line between all genres became so blurred it's hard to argue for and against them. Twitty's early records certainly deserve a look, but he along with Jones and Owen's clung tight to the rich Nashville sounds. Jennings was a Rock Star in spirit, if not in sound. Nelson is so beloved I am surprised the Hall hasn't enshrined him already.

If Prine were to have been replaced by an Americana act, Country legends shouldnt be the focus. JJ Cale, Lucinda Williams, Nanci Griffith, Townes Van Zandt, or so many others may have been a better fit. Americana itself isn't so aligned with Country that it is swallowed by it. I doubt any acts slide in before Parsons or Emmylou Harris find spots. Prine provides the one exception to my rule.

Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 10/26/2018 @ 15:58pm


Here are my official predictions for this year's inductees (if six):

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

As much as I love Stevie Nicks, I just don't think that her solo career warrants a solo induction, and she'll also be hurt by the Lindsey Buckingham controversy that's happening right now (he has sued Nicks and the rest of Fleetwood Mac for firing him and touring without him), plus I just can't see the Hall putting two women in in the same year, and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become members of the Clyde McPhatter Club and become 2X time inductees more so than Stevie, if Sting and Steve Winwood couldn't get in as solo artists in the past, then I doubt Nicks can despite her being in second place in the fan vote and her enormous influence on female musicians, there are way too many artists on the outside looking in waiting to go in, Stevie's an icon, but she doesn't particularly need to get inducted twice when she's already in with the Mac, so I think that her solo induction is wildly unnecessary and I really hope everyone is wrong about her getting inducted this year, I really hope she gets passed over and as I've said it before, I really hope she doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone.

As far as Radiohead, I think that their lack of enthusiasm towards the Hall has rubbed many people the wrong way and the Hall doesn't want a repeat of last year's Dire Straits situation, so I think that Radiohead's continued apathy towards the Hall will keep them out once again this year.

As for Roxy Music, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think that they're going to be hurt by the fact that they were more popular overseas than they were in America, and as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't mean an automatic induction, plus I'm kind of certain that not a lot of people know that Brian Eno was once a member of Roxy Music and they might be too British for American voters, if Kate Bush and The Smiths couldn't get in, then I doubt Roxy Music can despite Brian Eno's many connections in the music industry and their massive influence.

As for others (Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan). they don't have much of a chance this year, so I don't think it's their year sadly.

I still don't understand why John Prine got nominated, Yes, he's a great singer/songwriter, but like Stevie Nicks, he doesn't deserve induction IMO, I just think that his nomination was a wasted one and I think his spot should have gone to either another Country/Americana artist like Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Loretta Lynn, Merle Haggard, George Jones, Glen Campbell, Conway Twitty, Waylon Jennings, Buck Owens, Kris Kristofferson, Emmylou Harris, Garth Brooks or Shania Twain, or another singer/songwriter like Gram Parsons, Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Carole King, Carly Simon or Jim Croce because they're all much more well-known and much more deserving of induction than him IMO, besides he's just too obscure to ever get inducted anyway.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 10/26/2018 @ 16:11pm


King's Final Call 2018-2019 Induction Votes.
I called Stevie Nicks and Def Leppard as nominees since the summer and they were placed on the ballot. They are both popular and KING FAVS. Thats 2 Inductees Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks.
Now the detective work begins. Who do you think is popular and respected enough with the voters to get the required votes?
That leaves 13 possible Inductees. I don't see Chaka Khan/Rufus, Kraftwerk, and MC5 suddenly riding the wave to induction after multiple times on the ballot. Now cuts it down to 10.
Devo had a few cool hits with "Freedom Of Choice" and "Whip It" but this is an act that can wait a few years. I think it took the Cars 3 bites of the Apple to be Inducted. Down to 9. Rage Against The Machine is another group that can wait. They haven't blown my socks off in the voting. Still they are a threat appealing to both more rock types and rap oriented artists. Down to 8.
John Prine was 1 of the surprise singer/songwriter types on the ballot. There has been good discussion on FRL about his chances. Sure, he should pick up some votes from John Mellencamp, Bruce, and others but I wonder if it will be enough. Now to 7.
That leaves Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Radiohead, Roxy Music, The Cure, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies. A good case could be made for any of the 7. Let's go to our 3rd Inductee Todd Rundgren. He's done better than many have expected in the FAN VOTING. It's possible that he can be Inducted as a Performer without moving him to the Musical Excellence Award. 4th Inductee Janet Jackson. It seems this could finally be her time. Many have cried out for more African-American and women inducted. Jackson has momentum in concert tour plus picking up more awards. She recently lost her father and it will be Michael Jackson's 10 year anniversary of his death 2019. All stars aligning. My guess Roxy Music and The Zombies fall just short of induction. That leaves my last 2 Inductees LL Cool J #5 and The Cure #6. I think LL Cool J should have been inducted his 1st time on the ballot. He was 1 of Rap's 1st big stars and influenced dozens of rappers. The Cure might be 1 of the bigger surprises on my Inductees but some group has to eventually break the logjam in this Depeche Mode, The Smiths, Nine Inch Nails alternative thing. Radiohead would be my Final Selection if 7 or if they move Todd Rundgren to the Musical Excellence.
Thus, the KING 6 Inductees Prediction for the RRHOF are:
1. Def Leppard
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Todd Rundgren
4. Janet Jackson
5. LL Cool J
6. The Cure
_________________
7. Radiohead if they go 7 or if Todd Rundgren is moved to the Musical Excellence Award. You wonder if Radiohead's attitude and non-caring type vibe they are giving off are influencing the voters. I thought Radiohead was a lock last year and they were not inducted. They are about middle of the pack in the Fan Voting again. Where are all the Radiohead fans?!
FINAL THOUGHTS: This ballot is tailor made for The Zombies induction. Lack of many direct 60's competitors. If they can't make it this time, you just have to wonder. Clock ticking on LL Cool J too. There are some great bands coming up for Induction especially in the Rap Genre. Jay-Z and Eminem etc. Hopefully, LL Cool J sneaks in. I'm hoping The Cure is inducted. 40 years of interesting music and solid discography. Roxy Music is a real Wild Card. Eno and Ferry are well-respected musicians and important in music. They could be Inducted as we have seen recently with Jeff Lynne and Mark Knopfler. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 10/26/2018 @ 17:36pm


October 26 is still pretty early and for now I stick with my five/six inductees that I already picked (for now) lol

BUT I'm just gonna point out my reasons why at least nine of these nominees won't get in this year:

01.) Radiohead - too much negativity. Technically they would be a shoo-in but after last year's controversy and also what has happened with Dire Straits and the Sex Pistols' outright protest (not to mention the protests from individual members of Van Halen and GNR), they won't get picked. If they had been more accepting of the nomination, they'll probably have a semblance of a chance as at least the sixth inductee. That said, they could still induct them if nominated next year even if they still plan to boycott the ceremony.

02.) John Prine - I get it. I understand that whenever singer-songwriters get nominated, more often than not, they are shoo-ins to the Hall but John is truly an obscure name and I just don't see them putting him in despite the fact that he's your singer-songwriter's singer-songwriter. He'll have enough support from some Rock Hall members but I doubt he'll have the full committee's attention, meaning historians and what not. It seems not only is his name very obscure but he seems to be more of an outsider than, say, Todd is. It's not like Donovan or Bill Withers or Joan Baez. So I'm scratching his name permanently from 2019's list. Doesn't mean he won't be inducted, but as I said, they picked a bad year to nominate John. If he's isn't in yet, he has a better chance at the Songwriter's Hall of Fame first.

03.) Kraftwerk - despite being a heavy influence on modern music, they're foreign and, also pretty obscure. Not as obscure as John Prine but obscure enough where they have to wait for an even less popular pick of candidates to finally get in the door.

04.) DEVO - I'll also say the same for DEVO. If they're gonna pick a new wave-ish act, they'll pick the Cure before they pick DEVO. DEVO, despite their artsy catalog and heavy influence, are still only known as the "Whip It" guys, plus Todd Rundgren's not in yet and they're both nominated so that's strike three on the boys from Akron. But "Whip It" could be a great singles induction for them.

05.) Rufus & Chaka Khan - in a different year that didn't include Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks, they'll be shoo-ins and won't have to worry about getting namepicked again. However, again, Questlove (who I think is the reason they're nominated once again) picked a bad time for Rufus & Chaka Khan. They're pretty low on the voting process overall so they won't have enough to tell the Hall something good (pun intended on purpose). And I'm a big fan of them and Chaka but no. It's not their year again unfortunately. :/ They'll be the Susan Lucci of the HOF's if LL gets in this year (more on that next).

06.) MC5 - Them nominating the original Detroit anarcho-proto punks in the same year as Rage Against the Machine will work against them. They have a better chance at having "Kick Out the Jams" being inducted to the Singles portion of the 2019 HOF.

07.) Roxy Music - if they're gonna pick a foreign act (and a British act), it'll be the Zombies. Not these guys. Brian Eno could have a chance at Musical Excellence if Todd Rundgren gets in as a Performer.

08.) (a tie) LL Cool J and Rage Against the Machine. Now if they'd pick just five, neither of these two would get in but if six, I may have to think Tom Morello has a better chance in getting RATM in than LL. Tom has more influence and I'm sure he's campaigning for RATM to at least be the sixth inductee (if my picks for Def Leppard, Stevie, Janet, The Cure and The Zombies as performers stick with the official announcement in December). That is if they do decide to pick six. I pick RATM now as a possible sixth inductee due to them picking up votes to push them pass Radiohead and I could even see them pushing pass DEVO at some point. LL, for all of his achievements, seem to always get left behind whenever he's up for a nod. So don't look for him to get in this year. I only added RATM because you can never be sure how many inductees they're gonna go for this year. The Hall has never stuck to their five-inductee rule anyway, they always add in a sixth inductee if there appears to be close enough votes (and some push from some Rock Hall members) and if that's the case, RATM could be a shoo-in as both a '90s act and as a rap act on technicality.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 10/26/2018 @ 18:32pm


Lord... even on a great post, I manage to screw up. Todd is in my list of the performers getting inducted. So yeah, it's up between really RATM and the Zombies as inductee #6.

I wish this site lets you edit. :/

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 10/26/2018 @ 18:39pm


KING,

That's a great list and I thought I was the only one who noticed the momentum on Janet's side. She definitely got that in her favor more than the other 14 (even over Stevie Nicks). They're gonna induct an African American next year or two and if two, it'll be Janet and LL (though I'm still not sure of his chances vs. RATM).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 10/26/2018 @ 21:27pm


A mild analysis

Def Leppard- classic rock
Devo- classic alternative
Janet Jackson- big name
John Prine- singer songwriter
Kraftwerk- classic alternative
LL Cool J- obligatory rapper
MC5- classic rock
Radiohead- modern rock
Rage Against the Machine- modern rock
Roxy Music- classic alternative
Rufus and Chaka Khan- classic soul
Stevie Nicks- fan favorite
The Cure- classic alternative
The Zombies- classic rock
Todd Rundgren- singer songwriter

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 10/27/2018 @ 00:18am


@ Anonymous

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but Rage, Radiohead and other 90’s bands are now considered as classic rock/alternative rather than modern time wise.

The 2000’s will begin to enter either or both of the columns in the next few years.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 10/27/2018 @ 10:33am


The Dude,

There are people in life that consider anything after 1979 never to be classic rock. There are even other people who consider things after 1970 to never be classic rock. Unfortunately, their opinions will not change. That said, you are right.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 10/27/2018 @ 11:35am


Timothy Pernell,

I really think that this year's inductees (if six)will be:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

Those are my official predictions for this year's inductees (if six).

As much as I love Stevie Nicks, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I just don't think that her solo career warrants a solo induction, and I really think that the Lindsey Buckingham controversy that's happening right now (he has sued Nicks and the rest of Fleetwood Mac for firing him and touring without him) will really hurt her chances, plus I just can't see the Hall putting two women in in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie, and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become members of the Clyde McPhatter Club and become 2X time inductees more so than Stevie, if Sting and Steve Winwood couldn't get in as solo artists in the past, then I doubt Nicks can despite her being in second place in the fan vote and her enormous influence on female musicians, there are way too many artists on the outside looking in waiting to go in, Stevie's an icon, but she doesn't particularly need to get inducted again as a solo artist when she's already in with the Mac, so I think that her solo induction is wildly unnecessary and I really hope everyone is wrong about her getting inducted this year, I really hope she gets passed over and as I've said it before, I really hope she doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone.

As far as Rage Against The Machine, I just don't think they have much of a chance this year (As much as I love them), and I think that as far as 90's acts go, I think that Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, Soundgarden and Smashing Pumpkins should definitely all go in ahead of them, they'll definitely get in at some point because Tom Morello is on the nominating committee, but it won't be this year sadly.

I have to agree with you about Radiohead, John Prine, Kraftwerk, Devo, Rufus With Chaka Khan, MC5 and Roxy Music though, I don't think any of the acts that I just mentioned will get in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 10/27/2018 @ 12:32pm


@ Richie

I think Radiohead has the best shot to be the 90’s band of the year. As for Rage, they’re more likely to be part of the 2020 Class for the next presidential campaign, so they can let Tom and Zack take some shots at Trump.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 10/27/2018 @ 13:02pm


@The Dude,

I would imagine Tom is campaigning hard for a RATM 2019 induction than Thom Yorke is in pushing for Radiohead. Much harder because Thom doesn't give a doggone.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/27/2018 @ 14:49pm


The Dude & Timothy Pernell,

I think that neither Radiohead or Rage Against The Machine will get in again this year, Radiohead because they have too much negativity on their part and RATM because I just don't think it's their time just yet, after Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, Soundgarden and Smashing Pumpkins. Yes, but not just yet, but if RATM gets in this year, it will be because of cronyism because Tom Morello is on the nominating committee, and I think he would rather see acts like Judas Priest go in ahead of his band so I think that RATM should wait a few more years before they get in IMO.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 10/27/2018 @ 16:16pm


Isn't Tom pushing for Def Leppard?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 10/27/2018 @ 21:50pm


I believe that the nominating committee considers any one of the artists in the final mix to be possible inductees. They are the ones who nominated them, and will be voting on them, feels they all have the credentials, so in no way can anyone say they are not worthy of induction. They have already stated that they prefer to diversify the vote, and try not to vote too heavy in one particular genre or style, or era. So you should see 2 out of 3 female artists(Stevie, Janet, though I would love to get some Funk in there w/ Rufus-Chaka}. Also 2 Brit acts, Def Lepperd, and either Roxy Music or The Cure. And The Cure was obviously influenced by Roxy Music. Aside from Bowie, T. Rex, and Slade, Roxy Music was huge in instrumenting the Glam rock scene. You should also see 2 pre-1980's acts, not counting Stevie. You could see Roxy and Todd Rundgren, The Zombies are in play, and longshots MC5 or DEVO. Excluding the longshots, Pick 6 of the 8 bands/artists I mentioned, and you got it. Could be 3 Brit artists, 2 women, and Todd R., possibly. Why couldn't John Prine get the Musical Excellence award, as well?.. your thoughts? Timothy, I know you are already ruling out Rufus/Chaka, but I still feel Roxy Music gets overlooked quite a bit..Bryan Ferry, especially.

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 10/27/2018 @ 22:35pm


Timothy,

Tom's pushing for the MC5 and his own band.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 01:13am


Philip,

I figured that. Tom is pushing for RATM. But I thought I read somewhere that he was also pushing for Def Leppard? But maybe he was just pushing for Judas Priest among the metalhead picks.

Will N.,

Yeah, I think it is possible that it'll be two (or three) British acts, two women, and then one male solo act this year. I'm not lowering Rufus and Chaka's chances, I just think that again they picked a bad year.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 04:44am


I should clarify. When I say that Rufus and Chaka Khan and Roxy Music and other acts like Prine don't have the votes for 2019, I'm surely NOT saying that these acts are "unworthy" of an induction. In fact, I think all fifteen deserve to get in. But because of the voting process and the limit of how many inductees they allow each year, some artists are more worth an induction for some than others. That's all I was saying. And I agree that they SHOULD induct Rufus and Chaka, but they simply won't this year. That's all I was saying. Like I said, I'm a huge fan of Rufus and Chaka and had I been part of the 1,000 folks that decide who gets in, they'll be high on the list. Also if I was part of the Rock Hall, I'll bring back the inductee number to eight and Rufus and Chaka Khan would be in there.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 04:48am


@ Timothy, Absolutely, I totally agree with you about the voting process, and generally speaking, is what I was referring to, not anyone's personal opinions or predictions. I think everyone has criticized the Hall, at some point, of this artist should not be in and this band got snubbed. I really find this all very interesting, because normally people do not realize how the whole process works, and what all goes on behind the curtain. They usually just question and complain about the results. To me, it's all good. I am enjoying checking it all out, and everybody's great input, information and speculations.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 11:43am


@ Will,

It's all good to me too. I get people getting upset but the way the Hall does things is just how it is.

I try hard not to complain when the results come in and, except for 2014's inductee list, I actually have had little complaints (Percy Sledge being a main one though I kinda get why he's in even if I wouldn't personally pick him) myself.

It's always what happens before, during and after the ceremony that is actually MORE fascinating.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 15:33pm


So the 90s are "classic rock" now? I know how times change but the format has to end somewhere. Why not just split it into decades?

Posted by The Mo-Ja'al on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 18:08pm


@ The Mo-Ja’al

Expansions are nothing new for classic rock stations. In the 90’s, they started to play the 60’s and 70’s. In the 2000’s, the 80’s was later added. Now the 90’s was recently welcomed and inducted into the format. And let’s be the honest, we now live in an era where a full and pure modern rock radio format no longer exists (minus Octane on SiriusXM).

In the next few years or so, the 2000’s will join the ranks. I’ve always felt that was the last decade for rock music to thrive in terms of popularity before it was now completely marginalized by most of the mainstream media and major labels. The bands who were new back then weren’t commercially successful as bands from the 70’s and 80’s, but they were still a lot of gold and platinum sellers. So for me, that sounds like that right endpoint of Classic Rock in the future.

When I think of modern rock, I now think of bands like Cage the Elephant, Five Finger Death Punch, Royal Blood, Babymetal, Bring Me the Horizon, and Greta Van Fleet.

Imagine Dragons and Twenty-One Pilots? They’re more on the pop spectrum of alternative music. As for Mumford and Sons, they’re a pure folk band.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 18:37pm


Valuable rock and the like basically started being underground in the mid-90s onward with the commercial and artistic possibilities being fully realized circa mid-00s.

To even factor rock radio music from the rise of Matchbox 20 and Creed to now into the equation is a fruitless exercise focusing on mediocrity. Pitchfork became the epicenter of the great, radio is the center of nothing anymore.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 18:53pm


Well thank groodness for sites like Pandora where you can customize your own stations.

Posted by The Mo-Ja'al on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 19:55pm


Although, I mostly prefer owned music when I listen to my favorites. But if ya’ll think streaming and the hipsters who work for Pitchfork are killing terrestrial radio, think again. It’ll become less copeate and more local-frenidly with more diversity almost like it was before the Telecommunications Act of 1996 was signed. However, the radio industry will continue to impact the Rock Hall.

https://martechtoday.com/is-radio-dead-not-according-to-those-who-are-investing-in-the-industry-213148

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 20:13pm


*corporate

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 10/28/2018 @ 20:17pm


@The Dude,

Interesting... radio needed to have stop hemorrhaging from corporatism long time ago so this is a positive step in the right path.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/29/2018 @ 00:22am


@ Tim

Yep, terrestrial radio is here to stay. Looking at the situation iheartmedia (formerly known as Clear Channel) is in now, they should be selling a lot of stations whether if they could get out of bankruptcy on a smaller scale or not. Not sure about the other companies though, but I think Cumulus Media is in a similar situation too.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 10/29/2018 @ 01:17am


All this talk of the changing tides of mainstream rock music stations and the evolution toward pop and pop rock becoming more the focus of "rock and roll" brings up an interesting situation. Existentially, as the 2000s rock fades into the 2010s, where there have been an ever-shrinking arrival of newer traditional rock groups making an impact, are we going to see a potential switch one day in the 2030s or so to possibly an all-pop ballot of nominees? It might be fascinating to see. On the flip side, all the types that scream that 60s and 70s rock is the only true rock and roll might not be around to see it. This is just from an observation trying to be objective, not an attack on any one type of fan.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 10/29/2018 @ 01:46am


Been just as many important acts that are outside or mostly outside the mainstream...Arcade Fire, The National, The Strokes, LCD Soundsystem, Cat Power, Fleet Foxes, Father John Misty, Sufjan Stevens, blah blah blah.

Saying there hasn't been anything of artistic importance or made an impact in the general realm of "rock" this century is an absolute lie. Corporate radio doesn't tend to play these artists. Big deal.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10/29/2018 @ 02:11am


@Dude,

I forgot about all of that but yeah I do not feel sorry for iheartmedia. I remember reading about their downfall and just laughed. I'm laughing now lol

All the corporatism they got away with lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 10/29/2018 @ 08:34am


Ok, so which group/act is going to surprise us and get in, the surprise act that always seems to miss being predicted? I would say John Prine stands a good chance (not a deserving one at this point, but a potential nod to go in). He was the left field choice the nom com always seems to dredge out of nowhere.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 10/31/2018 @ 02:27am


I’m hoping for Roxy Music to make it so the Hall can keep the 60’s and 70’s Prog train going, but I can take Todd Rundgren if that won’t happen this year. I’m also rooting for MC5. So far, the Stooges and Velvet Underground are in, and we need one more band to complete “the Holy Trinity of Proto-Punk.”

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 10/31/2018 @ 10:41am


Either Roxy Music or MC5. Those would be the surprises. I don't think Prine would be a surprise since singer-songwriters are almost automatically inducted.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/31/2018 @ 13:14pm


I don't think there'll be any surprises this year, I really think that the inductees this year (if six) will be the ones that I'm predicting will get in this year (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies).

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 10/31/2018 @ 13:26pm


If the voters are going to make the 2019 induction ceremony look anything like the 2018 or 2016 induction ceremony:

01. Todd Rundgren
02. Def Leppard
03. Roxy Music
04. Rufus & Chaka Khan
05. The Zombies

OR

01. Todd Rundgren
02. Stevie Nicks
03. Def Leppard
04. Roxy Music
05. The Zombies

OR

01. Janet Jackson
02. Stevie Nicks
03. Todd Rundgren
04. Def Leppard
05. The Zombies

IF 6 INDUCTEES

01. Janet Jackson
02. Stevie Nicks
03. Todd Rundgren
04. The Cure
05. Def Leppard
06. The Zombies

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10/31/2018 @ 14:58pm


Just looked at the RRHOF fan vote standings, Radiohead better watch out again... Roxy Music is trying to pull ahead of them now in the same way RATM did!

Janet's Twitter seems to be helping its fan vote numbers increase too.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 10/31/2018 @ 21:23pm


@ Roy, I prefer your last list with the 6 inductees, and I think there will be 6 because it is such a level playing field, with only Lepperd as the standout artist,(No other Hard Rock competition). One change I would infer into your Pick 6, would be to slot Roxy Music into #4, and then The Cure and The Zombies would duke it out for the 6th position. 2 women artists, 3 Brits, and Todd R., well because he is Todd Rundgren, for eff's sake..

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 11/1/2018 @ 01:17am


I'm going with Roy's last list as well. These are the people I feel WILL make it in 2019.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/1/2018 @ 08:49am


While we wait for the winners of the ballot, are there anybody you want them to present your picks as inductors? Here are mine as a wishful thinking if my predictions came true entirely.


Def Leppard: Either Corey Taylor from Slipknot (with the mask on, of course) or Jon Bon Jovi.
Radiohead: Michael Stipe from REM
MC5: Either Iggy Pop (shirtless) or Jack White
Roxy Music: Lady Gaga (I bet she’s a fan of them)
Janet Jackson: Madonna
The Cure: Billy Corgon from Smashing Pumpkins

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 11/1/2018 @ 11:49am


The Dude,

The day Madonna inducts Janet I will eat my own hat. They have an extreme dislike for one another that has barely faded over the years. If anyone were to induct Janet I would say give the honor to either her mother. A woman the Hall might as well induct as a sideman for raising so many talented children or a peer on par with her. Mariah Carey and her have a close bond. If not grab one of the students of her style. Britney Spears really has taken more from her than just about anyone else. Possibly Rihanna, Usher, or Pink. Beyonce would be a spot on pick as well.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 11/1/2018 @ 13:42pm


I've got a feeling we're going to have a mostly "solo artists" induction ceremony in 2019, and if all the Rock elites actually vote for John Prine then...

THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. John Prine
02. Stevie Nicks
03. Todd Rundgren
04. Janet Jackson
05. Def Leppard
06. The Zombies

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11/1/2018 @ 13:49pm


@ Chris

Huh? Didn’t know there was a rivalry between the two, I thought they were friends.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 11/1/2018 @ 13:56pm


The Dude,

They had a fairly public spat on the 90s. Janet essentially had an issue with a comparison to Madonna, because as she thought Madonna lacked a certain level of class. That feud has basically carried on through the years. Not surprising really Madonna tends to have "incidents" with most of her era's female peers. Janet, Cher, Mariah Carey, etc. She did get along with Whitney Houston. And when Houston is inducted I think Madonna would be a perfect choice. Most feuds tend to be blown out of proportion over time, a few have legs though. Jackson and Madonna just never really got a long.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 11/1/2018 @ 14:06pm


I still think that this year's inductees (if six) will be The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies.

All of those acts that I just mentioned are my official predictions for this year's inductees (if six).

I really think that Stevie Nicks as a solo artist will be passed over just like solo Sting was back in 2015 because I frankly don't feel that her solo career warrants a solo induction, and also because of the Lindsey Buckingham controversy that's happening right now (he has sued Stevie and the rest of Fleetwood Mac for firing him), so I think that Stevie will be left out in the cold this year.

There is still too much controversy for Radiohead, so they won't get picked again this year even though they should be, they'll get in eventually but it won't be this year.

Roxy Music will be hurt by the fact that they were more popular overseas than they were in America and because of that, they probably are too British for the voters, like Radiohead, they'll get in eventually but just not this year.

Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan stand little to no chance of getting in this year but most of them will get in at some point.

I still think that John Prine's nomination was a huge mistake on the Hall's part, I really think that his spot should have went to another Country/Americana act like Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson or Gram Parsons because they're all much more well-known and much more deserving than him, besides he's just way too obscure to ever get an induction anyway.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/1/2018 @ 22:58pm


@Roy,

There does seem to be a lot of solo artists nominated this year than in previous years so you may be right.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/2/2018 @ 00:15am


@The Dude,

Missy Elliott would induct Janet.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/2/2018 @ 00:16am


@richie,

If Stevie is left out of the cold, it would probably be due to her votes not being as high as expected (Judas Priest had that problem last year).

Then again, the Zombies or the Cure could be this year's Judas Priest as well, placing so high on the fan vote but left out when the inductees are announced.

But if Stevie is out, it won't be because of the Lindsey controversy.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/2/2018 @ 00:22am


Timothy Pernell,

The reason why that I really think that Stevie will be the one left behind out of the top six acts from the fan ballot (Def Leppard, Stevie, Todd Rundgren, The Cure, The Zombies and Janet Jackson) is simply because I just don't feel that her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction, plus I just can't see the Rock Hall putting two women in in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie, so that's why I'm predicting The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies as this year's inductees (if six).

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/2/2018 @ 00:32am


You really have to look past Stevie Nick's, post Fleetwood Mac, solo work, which is substantial with formidable highlights, and very good, maybe not great, IMO. I had to look at her overall songwriting achievements, and her ability to rise above the normality, and into the crystal vision realm, that inspires her creativity. She pretty much took Fleetwood Mac over the top with her great, haunting, and mesmerizing songs. Check out the credentials, "Rhiannon", "Dreams", "Landslide", "Silver Spring"(my favorite), "Sara", "Gypsy", "Sisters of the Moon"{another favorite}, "Gold Dust Woman", and probably forgetting a few. Even though all were written while with Fleetwood Mac, she dominates these fantastic compositions, with the Mac basically being her backup band, and although all her work done with the band is credited to F.Mac, the writing, the inspiration, and the influence must be taken into consideration.

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 11/2/2018 @ 01:22am


https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/09/race_and_the_rock_hall_how_ign.html

I honestly believe that Stevie Nicks was purposely and specifically placed on the ballot to siphon off votes from Janet Jackson, and that it will be HER, not Janet , that will be inducted in 2019.

Then , the Hall will be able to say: "Yes, we put a woman in the Hall, aren't we great !!" ,thus addressing charges of sexism. (but...what about the charges of racism? In the RRHOF's view, 1 out of 2 ain't bad.)

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is full of games,hidden agendas, and politics.Not to mention pet projects ,racism, and favoritism. This is just another indication of this.

I hope that I'm wrong...But, I don't think I will be. Their unwritten ban on Rhythm and Blues music and the artists who make it is the PROOF.
Nothing will change in 2019. One look at the nominee's list PROVES it .

Alan Freed would NOT be happy with what's going on
in the Rock Hall today . Thinks are backsliding...and no one seems to care.
https://connecticuthistory.org/rock-and-roll-vs-racism/

"When the nominees for the Class of 2016 were announced last October, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame CEO Greg Harris made the statement, "One could say if Madonna is in, Janet Jackson should be in" to highlight Jackson's long overdue nomination."

So...why ISN'T she in, Greg ?


https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-snubs-randb-legends-like-janet-jackson

Posted by Bill G. on Friday, 11/2/2018 @ 07:14am


Bill,

Only way that would work would be how many votes did everyone else get. Like when Heart and Donna Summer were nominated in 2012, I was like you: "they STILL ain't gonna induct Donna. They just put Heart in there so they can say 'HEY we inducted a few women this time!'"

And then to my surprise, they inducted both.

That's really why I feel two female solo acts MIGHT get inducted this time, though Donna probably got in because of a sympathy vote (she had died earlier in 2012, the year she returned to the ballot that she eventually got inducted).

Never think anything is impossible, man. I mean you're right, the Hall definitely has a race problem (look at the 2014 RRHOF for a great example of that).

But that's why I feel Janet has a better chance of getting in over, say, Chaka Khan, LL Cool J or RATM (three of its members are "people of color"; lead singer Zack de la Rocha being Mexican, Tom Morello being half black and Brad Wilk being Jewish).

What I also feel Janet has advantage over other nominees this year is she's the only artist on the list who has been recently awarded lifetime achievement awards in a row and she's one of the few artists on the list who has charted with a recent project (Janet and John Prine are the only artists on this list whose recent efforts have hit the Billboard charts this year).

I do believe this Hall will play it safe this year and avoid controversy, at least on the female/black front by putting both Stevie and Janet in.

I think the only real reason Janet didn't get in, say, 2016, was because of N.W.A. and not Joan Baez, I truly believe that.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/2/2018 @ 11:12am


Who should induct Def Leppard this year?
My best guess is Bob Dylan.

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 11/3/2018 @ 00:56am


CR,

Huh? Why him? That makes NO sense lmao

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 11/3/2018 @ 01:04am


@ Classic Rock

Either Slash, Jon Bon Jovi, or Corey Taylor would be a more fitting choice to induct Def Leppard. Bob Dylan is way too out of place for them.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 11/3/2018 @ 08:47am


Plus Dylan has never inducted anyone so why would he start now? LOL

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 11/3/2018 @ 12:09pm


@ Tim

If John Prine makes it, then I could see Bob inducting him.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 11/3/2018 @ 12:14pm


Dude,

That's the only artist I can see Dylan giving a doggone about to induct but we'll have to see what happens when the inductees are announced in the second week of next month.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 11/3/2018 @ 16:04pm


I'm thinking the Dylan Inducting Def Leppard was a joke...

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 11/3/2018 @ 22:03pm


My initial thought as well, was that comment was just a goof, throwing some red meat out there. I think a good possibility to induct John Prine, if selected, would be Bonnie Raitt.

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 11/3/2018 @ 23:01pm


Paul in KY,

Might've been lmao don't think CR's a fan of Prine...

Bonnie Raitt would be a good one to induct Prine. They shared the stage a few times and are friends, I think. And I think she's covered some of his stuff.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 00:02am


I mean "CR's not a fan of Def Leppard". <_< Lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 00:02am


Only way that would work would be how many votes did everyone else get. Like when Heart and Donna Summer were nominated in 2012, I was like you: "they STILL ain't gonna induct Donna. They just put Heart in there so they can say 'HEY we inducted a few women this time!'"

And then to my surprise, they inducted both.

That's really why I feel two female solo acts MIGHT get inducted this time, though Donna probably got in because of a sympathy vote (she had died earlier in 2012, the year she returned to the ballot that she eventually got inducted).

Posted by Timothy Pernell

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 02:28am


https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/488267/rock-hall-regrets-donna-summer-snub

https://www.boston.com/uncategorized/noprimarytagmatch/2013/04/19/at-last-donna-summer-gets-her-due-from-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame

Well, Tim, the problem with Donna was THIS:

In 2008, Donna was nominated for induction into The Hall of Fame....and the voters SNUBBED HER.

In 2010 , she was nominated AGAIN...and was SNUBBED AGAIN.

In 2011, another nomination....another SNUB.

In 2012, still another nomination ....DITTO.

*****THEN , SHE DIES. *************

And then, FINALLY, AFTER THE FACT , AFTER SHE'S DEAD and BURIED....

....THEY INDUCT HER IN 2013.

FOUR NOMINATIONS...FOUR SNUBS.
and THEN, they finally honor her...AFTER she DIES .
Can you imagine how her Husband , Bruce ,and her 3 daughters must have felt ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zMMR-ObdEw


Do you think that they would've done that to MADONNA ?

Do you think that they WILL do it to TINA, DIONNE, JANET, The POINTER SISTERS (June is already gone) or PATTI SARAH NONA, of CINDI (The Bluebelles/LaBelle
How about the Marvelettes ? GLADYS and GEORGEANNA are already GONE ...only WANDA, JUANITA, Aand KATHY are left.
MARY WELLS has been gone now four over THREE DECADES !!!

It's as if the Hall of Fame is sending a CLEAR MESSAGE:
If you're part of a MINORITY...YOU JUST DON'T MATTER.


THAT'S why the RRHOF'S unwritten BAN on R&B ARTISTS is not just WRONG...
It's CRIMINAL .



Posted by WILLIAM GORDON on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 03:00am


WILLIAM GORDON,

I think that it had been a huge travesty that Donna Summer had not been inducted until after she had passed away. However, 2013 had been the year during which the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame had inducted icons. The fact that such musical luminaries as the late Donna Summer, Heart and Rush had been inducted alongside producers Lou Adler and Quincy Jones, satirical songwriter Randy Newman, the late Albert King and political rap fathers- Public Enemy had spoken volumes.

Then in 2018, the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe (the godmother of Rock & Roll and quite possibly, “prog”) and the late great Nina Simone (a major avowed influence on the prog “father”- Justin Hayward) had been inducted alongside “prog” godfathers- The Moody Blues had also spoken volumes.

Unfortunately, the message is this- if you are a female r & b artist, you will most probably be inducted posthumously. However, if you are a male rapper- you are much more likely to be inducted.

:-P

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 05:37am


"Unfortunately, the message is this- if you are a female r & b artist, you will most probably be inducted posthumously. However, if you are a male rapper- you are much more likely to be inducted."

Posted by Enigmaticus

That , sadly , reinforces the incorrect belief that Rap is more important than R&B.
Just one thing wrong with that.

Without R&B there would BE no Rap...and several other important musical genres as well. (don't get me started)

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 12:42pm


Enig-

The FACT is THIS:

If the RRHOF WANTS to induct you...you'll be INDUCTED.
If they REALLY want to induct you...they'll do it SOON.
If they DON'T want to do it....they NEVER WILL.

C'MON...FOUR nominations AND no induction for DONNA... Until she DIED ?
HOW TACKY IS THAT ?
And , once she PASSED AWAY....they were like:

***************OOPS !****************

DONNA SUMMER was just as important in HER GENRE as NWA (allegedly)in THEIRS. even MORE SO !!!

THE MARVELETTES and THE CHANTELS were also extremely important in THEIRS AS WELL !!

...And what they did to THE MIRACLES still resonates today as one of the WORST errors in Rock Hall History!!

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is in need of a SERIOUS OVERHAUL !!

- WILLIAM GORDON

Posted by WILLIAM GORDON on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 12:56pm


P.S.

And I'm putting my FULL NAME HERE, so they'll know EXACTLY how I feel....and WHO SAID IT !!

Posted by WILLIAM GORDON on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 13:00pm


Yes, Bob Dylan inducting Def Leppard was a joke. I assumed the absurdity of the suggestion to be obvious. Anyway, everyone knows that Stevie Wonder...aw, forget it.

Posted by Classic Rock on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 15:31pm


Damn William, tell us why you're really mad LOL

But yeah I understand 110%. I was disappointed with Donna getting in after her death so it was truly bittersweet, which is why I'm shock Soundgarden didn't get in immediately after Chris Cornell's passing...

I do feel 2018 will be a repeat of 2013 with the exception that not too many people nominated this year have died (only Steve Clark of Def Leppard is deceased).

John Prine was close to death numerous times but he's still kicking.

@Classic Rock,

Do you not like Def Leppard? Lol just asking.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 17:31pm


https://www.rockhall.com/fanvote/standings

Is it just me or has Stevie Nicks' numbers slowed to a crawl a little? DL made it to over 350,000 but Stevie has only gotten like just over 280,000, you'd think she'd be in the 300k range by now. Todd's almost at 200k.

The Zombies may replace The Cure at #4!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 17:33pm


The teenage me enjoyed Def Leppard quite a bit, but that has been quite a while ago now. As far as the HOF, they had TWO diamond albums. I know that sales doesn’t mean much to many people with votes, but TWO diamond albums, that’s good enough for me.

Posted by Classic Rock on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 17:49pm


@ Classic Rock

Yeah, If I’m not mistaken, Def Leppard was the last rock act to have more than one diamond awards from the RIAA. I considered commercial success to be extra on the Hall’s criteria. It’s pretty much the same how I felt about critical acclaim, and the only common ground I see between two is they both increase the demands for an induction.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 18:02pm


I still think that this year's inductees (if six)is going to be The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies.

All of those acts that I just mentioned are my official predictions for this year's induction class (if six).

I really hope everyone is wrong about Stevie Nicks getting inducted this year, I really hope she gets passed over simply because I frankly don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction and she doesn't warrant a solo induction, to me Stevie and John Prine are the two most undeserving acts on the ballot this year, I really think that their spots should have went to Pat Benatar and Willie Nelson because both Pat and Willie are much more deserving of induction than them.

Devo, Kraftwerk, Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine, Roxy Music and Rufus With Chaka Khan will all get in eventually, but just not this year.

MC5 is dead last in the fan vote this year, so I think that the ship has sailed for them getting inducted in the Performers category and they'll be reduced to a Singles induction eventually.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 18:44pm


@Dude,

Yeah that's accurate. But yeah, them having two albums that sold over 10 million copies definitely fits the rules of induction. Also they were along with Bon Jovi the kings of hair metal. Let's face it, once they finally inducted the Jersey boys, Def Leppard was an automatic shoo-in.

@richie,

I'm sorry but I don't see Stevie or Prine as "undeserving", they meet some if not all of the credentials. My thoughts that Prine may not make the list this year has more to do with location than anything else. If the ceremony was in Cleveland, I'd say he's in there. I think another reason Prine might not get in has to do with Todd Rundgren. People aren't thinking like that but Todd would probably block Prine's chances. As for Stevie, it depends on how many votes she gets from the committee. Even with the fan vote, it's not a guaranteed induction... but I don't see anything really blocking her BESIDES that.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 19:04pm


Timothy,

I have to disagree with you about Stevie Nicks and John Prine, I just think that they're both undeserving of induction and I really think that their nominations this year really should have gone to Pat Benatar and Willie Nelson because they're both much more deserving of induction than both Nicks and Prine IMO,

so that's why I'm predicting and I really think that The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies will be this year's inductees (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 19:20pm


Here’s a fun little list. Since Def Leppard is the last band to have more than one diamond awards from the RIAA, I’ve been wondering who would be the next rock band to have that kind of achievement for the second time even if it’s a single.

Metallica
The Black Album (16x Platinum)
And Justice For All (8x Platinum)

Bon Jovi
Slippery When Wet (12x Platinum)
New Jersey (7x Platinum)

Pearl Jam
Ten (13x Platinum)
Vs. (7x Platinum)

Linkin Park
Hybrid Theory (11x Platinum)
Meteora (7x Platinum)

Aerosmith
Greatest Hits (11x Platinum)
Toys In The Attic (8x Platinum)

U2
Joshua Tree (10x Platinum)
Achtung Baby (8x Platinum)

AC/DC
Back In Black (22x Platinum)
Highway To Hell (7x Platinum)

Guns N‘ Roses
Appetite for Destruction (18x Platinum)
Use Your Illusion I & II (Both of them are 7x Platinum)

Journey
Greatest Hits (15x Platinum)
Escape (9x Platinum)

If I’m missing another band, lemme know. It’s looks like Journey will be next.










Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 19:54pm


Journey and then U2. Don't know about the others though unless they do an Eagles lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 20:26pm


I dunno, Dude, the Hits compilations for Journey and their appearances on tons of playlists kind of cannibalize the sales for Escape.

U2's Achtung Baby is definitely under-certified. It might already be near 10 million. And it UNDOUBTEDLY would have surpassed that had they not released two hits compilations with some of those songs.

Metallica seems like the most likely act. HUGE band that still does not have a Greatest Hits record, so people will continue buying/streaming And Justice For All. And heck, a new reissue of that record just came out.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 20:40pm


And if you were to adjust for sales in a declining sales environment, Green Day would obviously be double diamond with American Idiot having been their second LP to achieve that success. 5 million copies in the US of that record (I think) in 2004 is more impressive than 10 million of Dookie a decade prior.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 20:42pm


And if you were to adjust for sales in a declining sales environment, Green Day would obviously be double diamond with American Idiot having been their second LP to achieve that success. 5 million copies in the US of that record (I think) in 2004 is more impressive than 10 million of Dookie a decade prior.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 20:42pm


"Do you not like Def Leppard? Lol just asking."

Well, Leopards aren't really deaf, Tim . If they WERE, how would they find food to eat. (LOL)

Anyway , I'd like to see Janet and Todd Rundgren get in. Big fan of his music.

(Sorry about the rant. Had to get that one off my chest . (Whew!)

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 22:06pm


People who are longtime bloggers to this site will remember what I said a few years ago:

"The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will use the advent of The R&B Hall of Fame as an excuse NOT to induct R&B acts going forward."

Basically, things have worked out just as I said.
Sad but TRUE.

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 22:10pm


Interesting that there is one band there (Linkin Park) that isn't in the RRHOF yet, obviously first off because they aren't eligible til about 2026. I've heard some arguments why they're not worthy, but if you look at their innovations, with 2 vocalists in contrasting styles that sing complementary to each other, AND having sold so many albums, if they don't become a compelling case.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 22:29pm


Interesting that there is one band there (Linkin Park) that isn't in the RRHOF yet, obviously first off because they aren't eligible til about 2026. I've heard some arguments why they're not worthy, but if you look at their innovations, with 2 vocalists in contrasting styles that sing complementary to each other, AND having sold so many albums, if they don't become a compelling case.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 22:30pm


@ Bill

They’re also doing the same with the Country Hall of Fame.

@ K-Dawg

LP isn’t eligible until 2025. Interestingly, the band does have a connection to the Nom Com. Tom Morello once collaborated with them on an instrumental track called “Drawbar” from the Hunting Party; it’s an overlooked album and my third favorite effort from LP. So, I could see Tom pushing for them in the future since he’s an advocate for his peers other than his favorites.

Check it out if you haven’t heard it yet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7mjRvSJyS20

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 11/4/2018 @ 22:45pm


WILLIAM GORDON,

I think that it had been a huge travesty that Donna Summer had not been inducted until after she had passed away. However, 2013 had been the year during which the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame had inducted icons. The fact that such musical luminaries as the late Donna Summer, Heart and Rush had been inducted alongside producers Lou Adler and Quincy Jones, satirical songwriter Randy Newman, the late Albert King and political rap fathers- Public Enemy had spoken volumes.

Then in 2018, the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe (the godmother of Rock & Roll and quite possibly even, “prog”) and the late great Nina Simone (a major avowed influence on the prog “father”- Justin Hayward) had been inducted alongside “prog” godfathers- The Moody Blues. These posthumous inductions had also spoken volumes.

Unfortunately, the message is this- if you are a female r & b artist, you will most probably be inducted posthumously. However, if you are a male rapper- you are much more likely to be inducted.

:-P

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 11/5/2018 @ 00:58am


@William,

Me too. I just voted for them again in the Rock Hall fan vote. Todd's closing in on 200,000! :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/5/2018 @ 02:40am


http://www.vulture.com/2018/10/all-15-2019-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-ranked.html

All 15 2019 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees, Ranked by Bill Wyman

01. Roxy Music
02. Radiohead
03. Janet Jackson
04. Kraftwerk
05. Todd Rundgren
06. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
07. The Cure
08. John Prine
09. Devo
10. MC5
11. The Zombies
12. Rage Against the Machine
13. Stevie Nicks
14. LL Cool J
15. Def Leppard

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11/5/2018 @ 08:55am


Why would Bill Wyman hate Def Leppard so bad? Fellow countrymen whose careers took very similar paths as the Stones

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 00:53am


K-Dawg,

Probably because he's not a big fan of '80s hair metal? Lol

I love '80s hair metal lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 02:07am


Interesting developments in the Rock Hall fan vote:

The Zombies are closing in on the Culture and may be #4 by the end of this week.

Janet is now more than 15,000 votes higher than Devo.

Stevie Nicks' numbers have definitely peaked, it seems. Not even at 300,000 yet while Def Leppard is closing in on 350,000.

John Prine will replace LL Cool J at some point this week.

This can definitely play in who gets in this year on that fan vote... we might just see three of the top five getting in, while those below the top five will definitely get picked due to committee votes...

We're now less than six weeks until the fan vote ends.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 02:11am


The Cure*, I said Culture lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 02:12am


Oh and Todd has over 204,000 votes now. :)

I think of the artists in the top five who people seem to be really rooting for, it's Todd. I wonder if he can actually get closer to Stevie's numbers by the end of the month! Will be interesting to see! :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 02:14am


Hi Everyone. I said I would be back sometime in November. It takes awhile to get over the death of a father when you were close to him your whole life.I am alright Now.

I am Back. There seems to be a lot of chat about Stevie Nicks. I am personally not that big a fan of solo work.The Belladonna album is good. I didn't really like her other solo stuff as much but she is a very familiar name in the music business. She has a large discography and years of star power. Wild Heart and Rock a Little did rather well in the midst of the 80s. So did Other Side of the Mirror. As I recall she didn't have too much solo success after that until Trouble in Shangri La. I just thought I would mention some of her albums to put it in perspective.

I do think she will be inducted. She can get a lot of votes. We can hope for 2 female acts at the same time. The other female with most chance of induction would be Janet Jackson but she failed twice before due to too much competition on ballots. I predict Stevie NOT Janet J.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 06:14am


K Dawg
This has come up before.
Not the same Bill Wyman.
The writer is not the ex Stone.

Posted by Mark on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 09:12am


In my honest opinion, this is absolutely the worst possible ballot that the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee has created since 2015. Those of you who are aficionados of alternative music should probably be enthusiastic; whereas those of us who are aficionados of “prog” are extremely disinterested! With slightly more than a month to go, please compare this year’s ballot to last year’s ballot. Do you really think that Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks will approach 1 million votes by the deadline? By comparison, The Moody Blues had garnered almost a million votes last year. The “prog” aficionados essentially have no one to root for. :-P

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 10:06am


Enig,

I am Back. I am back to normal. I bounced back from my Dad. I am somewhere in the middle. I am NOT a "prog" aficianado but I like a lot of it. The Moody Blues do indeed blow Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks in Votes. However, Def Leppard did have a lot of success in the 80s though. But Roxy Music is either Prog or Prog adjacent as you say. What is your feeling about Roxy Music as prog? You may have forgotten them. They aren't prog giants like the Moody Blues but they have some touch of Prog.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 10:36am


Ben,

I still think that this year's inductees (if six) are going to be:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

All of those acts that I just mentioned are my official predictions for this year's inductees (if six).

I really hope you (along with everyone else) are wrong about Stevie Nicks getting inducted this year, I really hope she gets passed over simply because I frankly don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction (she's already in with Fleetwood Mac), so I really think that Stevie will be passed over this year as a solo artist just like Sting was back in 2015, because I simply don't feel that her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus I just can't see the Hall putting two women in in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie, and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become members of the Clyde McPhatter Club and become 2X time inductees more so than Stevie as well, so I really think that out of the top six acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Cure, The Zombies and Janet Jackson), I really think that Stevie will be the one left behind and she'll be left out in the cold this year.

Radiohead has still too much controversy from last year going for them and Roxy Music (despite Brian Eno being highly regarded and well-respected in the music industry) will be hurt by the fact that they were more popular overseas than they were in America and because of that, they probably are too British for the voters at this point, plus as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't guarantee an automatic induction and I'm kind of certain that not a lot of people know that Brian Eno was once a member of Roxy Music as well, Radiohead and Roxy Music will both get in eventually but it won't be this year.

Devo, Kraftwerk, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan will all get in eventually too but just not this year.

MC5 are dead last in the fan vote this year, so I think that the ship has sailed for them getting inducted in the Performers category and they'll be reduced to a Singles induction eventually.

As much as I love John Prine, I just don't think that he deserves a Performer induction, so I think that the Hall made a mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being a songwriter/composer, his nomination as a Performer this year does an injustice to other '70s singer-songwriters that have not been nominated yet and were much more well-known, namely Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Carly Simon, Jim Croce, and Emmylou Harris, so I think that he's more likely to get inducted via the backdoor (either the Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer) or the Musical Excellence category) for his songwriting, rather than get inducted as a Performer.

so that's why I'm predicting and I really think that The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 11:04am


@Enig,

Nah, DL and Stevie probably won't even get to 500k.

I can see why this list can be seen as unpopular. The Zombies ain't even attracting the attention like the Moody Blues did last year.

No one is really going to bat for them despite being top five on the overall fan vote on the Rock Hall site.

And no one is too happy about Def Leppard but they're not too pissy about it. But the way some see it, there are only "two solid rock acts" this year on the ballot (Zombies, DL) while others would be called "outsiders" by so-called rock purists (I'm growing to hate those guys, that includes the Eddie Trunks of the world with their pseudo racist beliefs that rock and roll in general should be all white).

And I know some who had voted before (the inductees) are thinking of skipping the vote this year because none of their favorites are on it.

But let's face it, this is what we got. Not everyone is gonna be happy but there are sections of the fan bases among the ones nominated this year that are happy as hell that these 15 got picked.

Someone cares!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 11:33am


@richie,

You keep mentioning Clyde McPhatter, the first artist in the Rock Hall history to get inducted as a group member and solo act. I just saw an article from Vulture ranking all the inductees in so far and one thing I found interesting is how Clyde McPhatter's induction in 1987 was a "mistake".

And I have to agree that it was. Lemme explain: Clyde McPhatter is considered an R&B legend and rightfully so for leading two vocal groups to prominence: Bill Ward & His Dominoes and the Drifters.

With the Dominoes, he was arguably the first R&B artist to incorporate gospel elements into rhythm and blues, which was a pretty controversial and radical thing to do in his time ("Have Mercy, Baby" has the distinction of being the first "rhythm and gospel" (later called SOUL music) hit on the charts after its release in 1952), then he left that group to form The Drifters, who were also pretty controversial just on the basis of "Money Honey", which was considered too raunchy for radio in some states in 1954. We're talking explicit in the FIFTIES before rock and roll became a mainstream phenomenon less than a year later.

So Clyde might be, if my predictions are correct for 2019's list, the Stevie Nicks of 1987. Like he was influential as a member of a band but as a solo artist, he wasn't that influential, meaning when he turned solo after returning from basic training at the end of the '50s, he was an entirely different artist.

Clyde got inducted on the premise that he influenced everyone that became a soul music superstar and therefore he should get in before...the Drifters or Bill Ward & His Dominoes (who by the way haven't gotten in yet but if they do, it would be as "Early Influences").

But if that makes, then how come his solo career received pitiful results? And just roughly a decade later, he died at a premature age having faded into the background while way more successful soul stars like Marvin Gaye was dominating the charts.

I have a feeling that since the committee was partially ran by Ahmet Ertegun that inducting Atlantic artists was his thing. Getting Ray Charles in the first year was great because Ray Charles was just that important and he was the one to further push gospel themes into soul music in ways Clyde never could imagine (with 1959's "What'd I Say" officially giving birth to the soul music era of the sixties though it came out in '59).

But Clyde McPhatter's induction into the Hall's second class of 1987 was weird when much more prominent R&B pioneers like Marvin Gaye and, to a lesser degree, Jackie Wilson (who admitted to being influenced by Clyde since he was Clyde's replacement in the Dominoes), were getting in. The Drifters should've gotten in first or the Dominoes, THEN whichever act emerged out of those groups (say Jackie) should be inducted afterwards.

The big mistake was when the Rock Hall first started inducting artists in 1986, most early rock and roll vocal groups were nominated but not picked, and some who were known for their name like James Brown, when his career started as lead singer of the Famous Flames, was a little controversial. Except for the Everly Brothers, every single act in 1986's inaugural induction was a solo act.

Then in 1987, along with Clyde, another weird induction was Smokey Robinson. It's something even the ex-Miracles front man couldn't understand to this day: "Why induct Smokey first when he had a whole group he fronted?" It would've been like if in 1988, instead of the Supremes, only Diana Ross would get inducted, it's weird.

Smokey's own solo career was only 14 years old when he got inducted despite the committee's rule that an act's career had to be over 25 years old to get in. I feel they did to Smokey what they did to Clyde: take away from their early groups so that them, and only them, can be recognized and "damn it if the Dominoes don't get in, we need to fill in tickets!" Oddly enough in 1988, they did induct the Drifters. But how come Ben E. King hasn't gotten inducted yet? The dude had one of the most influential hits in music history in "Stand by Me" but Percy Sledge could get in? Was there failed attempts to induct a solo King or did Ahmet held a grudge against him for something (which is possible)? But Clyde McPhatter was a good choice for a SOLO induction???

And Smokey's induction in 1987 is probably still the weirdest induction in history, even weirder than Clyde getting in because he actually fit the Rock Hall's 25-year rule, and much weirder than James Brown because, despite being a member of the Famous Flames, he was more famous as a standalone act so the committee, probably not knowing better, felt James was always the star, why not? But at least the Flames and the Miracles eventually got in, why haven't the Dominoes and Bill Ward?

The group had another huge hit during the early years with "Sixty Minute Man", arguably one of the first rock and roll records along with "Rocket 88" and "Good Rockin' Tonight", but unlike those two records, actually has the distinction of being one of the first crossover black records to hit the pop charts despite some stations banning it for sexual overtones (this was in 1951). Legendary stuff, but they can't get in? The Midnighters eventually did (Hank Ballard got in solo as well, which was stupid too because Hank HAD no solo career to speak of! They just inducted him so he can get full credit for "The Twist" and not much else).

Groups like the Midnighters and the Miracles and the Dominoes should've been in long before their former front men did but the Rock Hall foolishly didn't really do their homework and only got partial histories. Shows how crazy the voting process probably was in the '80s and '90s. Like Bob Marley is in as a solo act yet the Wailers (the late Peter Tosh and Bunny Wailer) still haven't gotten in (and probably never will). Then you have the Beatles inducting virtually every member despite two of them really being more prominent solo acts (Lennon and McCartney and even Lennon's induction was a bit controversial because his first real "solo" album was under the name Plastic Ono Band, and which actually had a BAND; and then we have Paul's Wings group as well) despite the fact that no one would be honest and say there has always been a strong bias for the Beatles no matter what each member did when the group split to do solo careers or side projects.

But I feel Clyde, to some degree, (and to no fault of his own since he died 15 years before his induction), and the committee itself starting with James Brown's and Smokey Robinson's solo inductions, set a dangerous precedent to when a former member of the group leaves and has a solo career, no matter how little impact that solo career has, they have to be inducted anyone because they're so beloved like that.

Technically, if any act that got in as a group member that can get another induction as a solo artist right now, it wouldn't be Stevie Nicks, it would be Tina Turner. "Private Dancer" had far more musical impact than, say, "Bella Donna" did. But I bet you they won't do it, they probably think, like Diana Ross, "they got in when they were supposed to and look, Tina's name is out there so it would be silly to bring her up again!"

If the induction process this year was fair, the committee would've nominated another female rock act like Pat Benatar but maybe the fact that Pat would've wanted her husband and their band to be acknowledged probably is why she's never nominated, and that would probably make some sense despite the fact that Pat's name is the only one you recognize to begin with.

The committee, no matter if it was the Ahmet-era committee or the committee they got now, has always been messy when it came to who they nominate and who eventually gets in.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 12:09pm


Another reason the fan vote numbers are down from last year - the added verification step for email addresses. Last year, I was voting from 4 different email addresses, using old work emails. You just entered the address and voted. This year, the first time you signed up, they sent a verification to the email address with a link you had to go and click on. This year, I am only using one email address, 5 votes a day. Compare that to last year, where I was using my 5 votes across 4 email addresses to cast 20 votes per day. I wonder how many people were using multiple emails to vote last year.

Just some food for thought.

Posted by Greg P. on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 12:11pm


@Greg P,

I didn't even think of it like that! So I'm guessing there is never gonna be an act that has over a million ever again?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 12:26pm


TImothy,

I disagree with pretty much everything you said about the great Clyde McPhatter. I do agree that he was inducted as a solo artist first because there were so many "Small Hall" people in charge then. Same reason Smokey got in without the Miracles in '87, along with all the cases of Front Man Fever.

But his solo career is deserving. Take the time to go deep and listen to it. "Treasure Of Love," "A Lover's Question," "Lover Please" are all amazing songs, and let's not forget the standard that "Without Love (There Is Nothing)" should be in a perfect world, and may even have been prior to the British Invasion.

Clyde is one of those that people should seriously consider when one talks about the Founding Fathers of rock and roll. He should be a three-time inductee. IMO, he is the true "Father Of Rock And Roll." Just because he didn't play guitar doesn't make him less important.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 12:35pm


Timothy,

Interesting sentiment on the "rock purists" and these idiots that think it should be "white rock"...as we know, Jimi Hendrix is the greatest guitarist who ever lived (IMO)

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 12:37pm


Timothy,

Interesting points all around. I would call those Rock purists by a different name. Rock revisionists fits a little better. I do think you underestimate McPhatter slightly, although I think your overall point is that he was inducted to early not that he was unworthy of induction.

Benatar should have been enshrined years ago. Joan Jett somehow jumped over her era's peers to get that induction. I would love to know who was rooting for her so hard. There are a huge amount of female acts that should have been inducted ahead of her.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 12:56pm


Philip,

Yeah but is Clyde's solo career all that great? I agree it's good but compared to what he did with the Dominoes and Drifters, I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with that.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 13:35pm


Chris F.,

No I don't think his induction was unworthy at all to be honest. I could see the Hall inducting him solo wise AFTER the Dominoes and Drifters. But to do it afterwards? Doesn't make sense.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 13:37pm


TImothy,

Does it have to surpass what he did with the Dominoes or with the Drifters? I don't think so. You have to look at it within the scope of rock and roll, not in comparison to his other efforts. And yes, I do think it's pretty great.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 13:48pm


I meant "but to do it before then? Doesn't make sense".

But you know what I meant lol

Anyway, John Prine finally pulls up against LL... I'm saying, if they're gonna induct an "urban" act this year, it won't be LL and Chaka.

Zombies in striking distance of The Cure, should be #4 by the end of this week.

Todd still pulling in a lot of votes compared to Stevie, who just got over 290k (Todd's over 207k). DL nearly at 350k.

Here's what I'm thinking, I think of the fifteen acts in that fan vote, whichever act gets the boost in votes regardless of their position, they'd be picked for the HOF.

So I got a question, FRL'ers:
Let's say three of the top five currently in the fan vote gets in the 2019 class, which of these three do any of you think is getting in?

1.) Def Leppard
2.) Stevie Nicks
3.) Todd Rundgren
4.) The Cure
5.) The Zombies

As we all know, whoever's #1 will get in, so in this case, it's Def Leppard.

But it's tricky with the other four.

I'll say there's a chance these three will get in:
Def Leppard
Stevie
Todd

Don't think the Cure will be able to pull it off, but I'd be happy if they do! And the Zombies? They've had years to get them in, if they don't get in now, they won't get in at all.

As for the ones out of the top five, I think it's clear one of them who will get ahead and get in the class:
Janet Jackson

Now, the fifth one will be the one to look out for, that'll be the "surprising" inductee and something tells me it won't be LL. But it still could be Rage Against the Machine...

So these will be the ones I think will get in this year:
1.) Def Leppard
2.) Stevie
3.) Todd
4.) Janet
5.) Rage Against the Machine

Y'all keep doubting RATM's chances but I think they got a way better chance than Radiohead and, God forbid, Rufus.

If a sixth person gets in, John Prine or Devo or even Kraftwerk COULD fill in that slot, or the Zombies. But it depends if they induct six. I hope they induct six anyway lol

Anyway, my question is about who of the top five do you see making it in 2019?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 13:56pm


Philip,

I'll give you this, chart-wise, Clyde had a very successful career as a solo act, I grant you that. I just think - and this is my opinion, I'm not doubting his talent, I even said he has a great legacy considering what he did for rock and R&B music - that he was greater than just the sum of his parts.

IMHO he should be a THREE-TIME inductee. I would be okay with Clyde's solo induction for good if only the Dominoes gets in.

I put his career between 1950 and whenever he peaked as a solo in the early to mid '60s together. Just inducting him for his solo and the Drifters is not the whole pie.

That's really all I was saying.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 13:59pm


Is there anyone besides Clyde McPhatter (and Eric Clapton) that deserve induction three or more times?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 14:55pm


Cool. We're on the same page then.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 14:55pm


I have yet to make a proper prediction. I will do so now on the day where a lot of political predictions will meet their fate.


1. The Zombies - No real competition on the ballot whatsoever as nobody else is in their "lane"

2. Def Leppard - Flood of classic rock act inductees in recent years and their topping of the fan poll and Bon Jovi's induction are all plusses. What could go wrong? Voters seeing them as leaning more towards Judas Priest (who reportedly did horrible in last year's voting) than the "not-so-Hard-Rock" crowd of bands.

3. The Cure - I'm as surprised as you are, but the timing finally seems right for a lot of the "not-so-no-brainer" post-punk acts to start being inducted. They've built too much of a legacy and even with so many other indie/underground type names flooding the ballot (Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Roxy Music), I'm just not seeing much of a path to where they get blocked. Can any of those names I just listed top The Cure? Can John Prine? Can LL Cool J? Can Rufus with Chaka Khan? I think the answer is clearly "no" so it's making it hard to conceive of The Cure not being in the Top Five.

4. Radiohead - Clearly should be #1, but they are a much younger act with plenty of voters that aren't familiar with their discography. That said, the lack of a classic rock backlog flooding the ballot like in past years makes me believe they'll be going in.


5. Roxy Music - This is a gun to my head kind of prediction, but I just keep envisioning this happening over and over. Just seems like they have enough support among some classic rockers, UK inductees and writers that will get them in with relative ease.

6 or Musical Excellence - Todd Rundgren. I'm just not as high on him getting in as a Performer at this point. It seemed at first that the ballot was tailor made to give him a good shot, but now I'm not sure. There's a LOT of idiosyncratic names here and I think many voters figure another category *cough* Musical Excellence *cough* is where he better fits in.

As for Janet, even with her most favorable circumstances in years, ballot-wise, I think a lot of her supporters on the nominating committee will be kicking themselves for tossing Chaka Khan on the ballot, and to a lesser extent, LL Cool J, thoroughly dividing the urban vote. Lately, black acts seem to get in if they can monopolize support among voters that are favorable to them which means those with unquestionable credentials get in with ease (2Pac, Nina Simone) while the rest languish since they can't get votes from the Classic Rock crowd. If none of these three acts were viewed in that context before, what will really change? The best path would have been to have just ONE of those names on the ballot and basically clean up with a sympathetic audience of voters. That could have been enough for sixth or fifth place and an induction.

Stevie? While a lot of us think the Classic Rock crowd favors her, I'm not so sure. They're aware she is inducted and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career. And the writers that vote? I just can't see many of them falling for this. They know her discography doesn't merit this award.



Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 15:09pm


Surprise gamble? I am willing to bet that Kraftwerk has received a sizable chunk of support over the years, hence why they keep ending up on the ballot. I don't think they're a pet project of anyone the way Chaka Khan is for Questlove. Kraftwerk could conceivably be a bit of a shocker and finally gain admission.

BTW, Zombies MUST be on the cusp. I absolutely think Paul Shaffer would have let it go if their voting results were mediocre. It's hard to conceive of them not having been nearly inducted the last couple times.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 15:11pm


"And Smokey's induction in 1987 is probably still the weirdest induction in history, even weirder than Clyde getting in because he actually fit the Rock Hall's 25-year rule, and much weirder than James Brown because, despite being a member of the Famous Flames, he was more famous as a standalone act so the committee, probably not knowing better, felt James was always the star, why not? But at least the Flames and the Miracles eventually got in, why haven't the Dominoes and Bill Ward?"

Posted by Timothy Pernell

I wouldn't be so sure about what you said about James Brown & The Famous Flames, Tim.
Here's why:

One thing that a LOT of people here don't realize, (I'm talking about YOU, Philip) is that the TWO HIGHEST-CHARTING ALBUMS that James Brown had in is ENTIRE CAREER , were his two LIVE ALBUMS with BOBBY BYRD, BOBBY BENNETT , and LLOYD STALLWORTH-THE FAMOUS FLAMES : "LIVE at THE APOLLO (# 2 POP) and "PURE DYNAMITE" (# 10 POP) .
Plus , his live performance with The FAMOUS FLAMES in the 1964 concert film ,THE T.A.M.I. SHOW, was called by critics "The SINGLE GREATEST ROCK AND ROLL PERFORMANCE EVER CAPTURED ON FILM" !!!"
Any SUBSEQUENT SUCCESS that Brown achieved was as a DIRECT RESULT of his years as a member of The FAMOUS FLAMES . And you can BANK on it !!

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 15:14pm


Bill,

Why I agree that the Flames - and especially Bobby Byrd in particular - played a huge role in James Brown's rise to fame, from 1956 on, many looked at James as "the star". There are still people who foolishly think the Flames were his backing instrumental band, which COULD explain some inductions (like Hank Ballard for example).

James became a larger-than-life personality after the T.A.M.I. Show and he did so no matter how much his group mates felt about it.

Casper,

Radiohead's not getting in LOL least not this year. If they do get inducted, they won't perform. The Hall has already been embarrassed by legends who they inducted who told them to "take a hike" or write a f-you letter in the way of the Sex Pistols, Steve Miller publicly criticized their voting process after his induction and we saw how they treated the Dire Straits. Radiohead would just be another controversy - unless that's what they want.

Roxy won't get in either. As satisfying that they finally got a nomination, they have to tend with two other British acts (the Cure and the Zombies, who are currently in the top 5) and of course Todd Rundgren, who is like Bryan Ferry and Brian Eno combined.

Not denying the Zombies could be a pick this year but seeing how some fan vote polls have been, either three or four get in at the most. I feel folks think this would be the last time the Zombies would be chosen by the Hall to be nominated so it's like "let's get it over with, we'll at least have a '60s act".

I don't just see how you can deny Todd's place. I'm sure Paul Schaffer wants him in too as much as he's been in Letterman over the years!

LL Cool J is probably canceled because of Rage Against the Machine and there's not enough push for Chaka, that gives Miss Jackson an EASY opening.

You seem to think this will be a white male-only induction, Casper lol

But I see you don't think Stevie will win it out. You MIGHT be right! Because, as mentioned, her solo career isn't too impressive despite "Stand Back" and "Edge of Seventeen" and "Stop Dragging My Heart Around".

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 16:47pm


Just found an interesting list from Business Insider called "The 100 most popular rock bands of all time." If you're gonna react, read the descriptions first and asterisk symbols are the inductees.

"Rock and roll has been a huge cultural force since it burst upon the musical scene in the 1950s. Not only has it dramatically altered the evolution of popular music, it has influenced fashion, human behavior, and cultural norms in general.

Traditionally, rock music has been especially popular among younger adults and teenagers. The music was associated with rebellion and youth. In 2017, however, for the first time, R&B and hip-hop became the most dominant genre in the US, according to Nielsen Music, surpassing rock music. Yet while many have turned their backs on the genre, and the list contains relatively fewer recent acts compared with the more established, classic rock bands, rock and roll is still alive and well.

Using a number of different metrics, 24/7 Wall St. has identified the 100 most popular rock bands of all time. The selection of these artists is based on measures such as record sales, Billboard performance, Wikipedia page views, and popularity on the online streaming platform Spotify."

100. No Doubt
99. Avenged Sevenfold
98. Grateful Dead*
97. Kings of Leon
96. Alice In Chains
95. The Script
94. Five Finger Death Punch
93. Muse
92. Rage Against the Machine
91. The Fray
90. Steely Dan*
89. Evanescence
88. The Cure
87. Huey Lewis & the News
86. Scorpions
85. INXS
84. Three Days Grace
83. Slipknot
82. Styx
81. Goo Goo Dolls
80. The Offspring
79. Disturbed
78. The Kinks*
77. Korn
76. Limp Bizkit
75. Dave Matthews Band
74. Steve Miller Band*
73. Mumford & Sons
72. Arctic Monkeys
71. Creed
70. System of a Down
69. The Smashing Pumpkins
68. Matchbox Twenty
67. Alice Cooper
66. REO Speedwagon
65. The Cars*
64. Toto
63. Deep Purple*
62. 3 Doors Down
61. Oasis
60. Iron Maiden
59. The Cranberries
58. Paramore
57. The Killers
56. Depeche Mode
55. The Doobie Brothers
54. Boston
53. Radiohead
52. Marilyn Manson
51. Bob Seger* & the Silver Bullet Band
50. Dire Straits*
49. Blink-182
48. Panic! at the Disco
47. Electric Light Orchestra*
46. Gorillaz
45. ZZ Top*
44. Rush*
43. Kiss*
42. R.E.M.*
41. Genesis*
40. OneRepublic
39. ABBA*
38. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers*
37. The Police*
36. Fall Out Boy*
35. Heart*
34. Foo Fighters
33. Def Leppard
32. Nickelback
31. Black Sabbath*
30. Foreigner*
29. Pearl Jam*
28. Green Day*
27. Lynyrd Skynyrd*
26. The Doors
25. Coldplay
24. The Beach Boys*
23. The Who*
22. Nirvana*
21. Chicago*
20. Santana*
19. Creedence Clearwater Revival*
18. Journey*
17. Van Halen*
16. U2*
15. Bon Jovi*
14. Maroon 5
13. Red Hot Chili Peppers*
12. Linkin Park
11. Fleetwood Mac*
10. Aerosmith*
9. Guns N' Roses*
8. Metallica*
7. Eagles*
6. AC/DC*
5. The Rolling Stones*
4. Pink Floyd*
3. Queen*
2. Led Zeppelin*
1. The Beatles*

Detailed findings & methodology

"Rock music is unique in that the artists primarily work together and release music as bands, or ensembles with fairly consistent membership. While there are many great rock performers who are better known as solo artists — such as Prince, David Bowie, and Elvis Presley — 24/7 Wall St. looked only at bands for this article.

Rock bands do not all gain popularity in the same manner. Some, like Australian band AC/DC and many other bands from the previous century, toured, created, and sold many, many albums. In total, AC/DC has sold 72 million records in the United States alone, according to The Recording Industry Association of America. Others, generally more recent rock bands such as OneRepublic that was formed earlier this century, use the internet to gain popularity. That band has only sold 2 million records, but it is hugely popular online, with more than 1.5 million annual Wikipedia page views and over 4.2 million followers on Spotify.

Generally, newer artists have significantly better internet presence. The three bands with the most Spotify followers are Coldplay, Maroon 5, and Linkin Park, which were all formed in the late 1990s. Alternatively, those performers with the most albums sold, as measured by the RIAA, are the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and the Eagles, all of whom were started in the 60s and 70s.

The order of artists on the list also illustrates that there is more to being a popular rock band than simply musical ability. Fashion and attitude have always played a role in rock success, and the importance of image only increased with the advent of MTV in 1981. Bands that are highly skilled on a technical level — such as Steely Dan and Grateful Dead — therefore find themselves outranked by more pop-oriented groups such as Blink-182 in certain cases.

To determine the most popular rock bands of all time, 24/7 Wall St. generated an index based on album sales, popularity of singles, popularity of the band's Wikipedia page, popularity on Spotify, and user votes. Each component of the index was given equal weight.

A band's total certified US album sales came from the Recording Industry Association of America. The RIAA tracks album sales released in the American market with a threshold of 500,000 units sold. How well a band's singles performed was determined by awarding a band points for singles that spent time on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. A single was awarded points based on the number of weeks it was on the list and its rank for each week. Wikipedia page views were calculated for the past two years. Popularity on Spotify was based on Spotify's popularity index. User votes came from a list on Ranker.com that ranked the best rock bands of all time.

A band's most popular album is based on RIAA data for US album sales. In cases where a band had multiple albums that sold the same number of copies, the most recent release was chosen. Data relating to the year that each band was formed comes from band websites and other media sources such as Rolling Stone."

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-100-most-popular-rock-bands-of-all-time-2018-9#1-the-beatles-100

My disappointment is NIN, Judas Priest, Soundgarden, the Jimi Hendrix Experince, Yes and the Allman Brothers didn't made it on the list.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 17:49pm


Just to let ya know, I accidentally added the symbol on Fall Out Boy by mistake since they're not eligible yet.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 17:52pm


Any list that doesn't include Soundgarden, Nine Inch Nails, Judas Priest and the Jimi Hendrix Experience is a garbage list.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 18:22pm


The Dude, you also gave Foreigner a Rock Hall designation and not Alice Cooper.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 18:55pm


Also, you marked the Doors as not in.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 20:10pm


Inducting JAMES BROWN and SMOKEY ROBINSON alone , without the singing groups that made them famous, was a MISTAKE.
THE MIRACLES and THE FAMOUS FLAMES were two very historically important groups , that deserved to be inducted with their original lead singers. (the SAME thing with Hank Ballard & The MIDNIGHTERS ) . If the Hall of Fame had done so, WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO, in 1986 and 1987, then James and Smokey could have BOTH received 2 well-deserved SECOND inductions.
Now, it probably WON'T happen, due to the Hall of Fame's OWN screw-up !!!

And THE BELMONTS still aren't in , despite the fact that they continued to chart hits an additional 3 YEARS AFTER Dion left the group !!!

BOBBY BYRD just missed becoming a DOUBLE INDUCTEE, when The JB's were nominated in 2006 !! Can you imagine the PUBLIC OUTCRY that would have ensued if BOBBY BYRD went into the "Clyde McPhatter Club" as a DOUBLE INDUCTEE, while James Brown was only inducted ONCE ?
I think that this revelation caused SOMEONE over on Wikipedia to hastily add JAMES BROWN'S name to the list of "The JB's Members" , to see that if it ever happened, HE would ALSO go in twice (Though He technically WASN'T a member of that band).


Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 20:18pm


***TYPO***
Make that 2016 FOR THE BOBBY BYRD,JB'S nomination.

Anyway, back to the BELMONTS :
Carlo Mastranglo and Fred Milano are now BOTH dead.(in 2012 and 2016 respectively)
That only leaves Angelo D'Aleo and Dion DiMucci of the original group....and DION is ALREADY INDUCTED !!!
Meanwhile, 70's & 80's Rockers and Rappers continue to be inducted with annoying frequency !!
(Talk about PUTTING the CART before the HORSE !!)

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 20:29pm


Edited version of one of my previous comments. I was on a rush for something.

Just found an interesting list from Business Insider called "The 100 most popular rock bands of all time." If you're gonna react, read the descriptions first and the asterisk symbols are the inductees.

"Rock and roll has been a huge cultural force since it burst upon the musical scene in the 1950s. Not only has it dramatically altered the evolution of popular music, it has influenced fashion, human behavior, and cultural norms in general.

Traditionally, rock music has been especially popular among younger adults and teenagers. The music was associated with rebellion and youth. In 2017, however, for the first time, R&B and hip-hop became the most dominant genre in the US, according to Nielsen Music, surpassing rock music. Yet while many have turned their backs on the genre, and the list contains relatively fewer recent acts compared with the more established, classic rock bands, rock and roll is still alive and well.

Using a number of different metrics, 24/7 Wall St. has identified the 100 most popular rock bands of all time. The selection of these artists is based on measures such as record sales, Billboard performance, Wikipedia page views, and popularity on the online streaming platform Spotify."

100. No Doubt
99. Avenged Sevenfold
98. Grateful Dead*
97. Kings of Leon
96. Alice In Chains
95. The Script
94. Five Finger Death Punch
93. Muse
92. Rage Against the Machine
91. The Fray
90. Steely Dan*
89. Evanescence
88. The Cure
87. Huey Lewis & the News
86. Scorpions
85. INXS
84. Three Days Grace
83. Slipknot
82. Styx
81. Goo Goo Dolls
80. The Offspring
79. Disturbed
78. The Kinks*
77. Korn
76. Limp Bizkit
75. Dave Matthews Band
74. Steve Miller Band*
73. Mumford & Sons
72. Arctic Monkeys
71. Creed
70. System of a Down
69. The Smashing Pumpkins
68. Matchbox Twenty
67. Alice Cooper*
66. REO Speedwagon
65. The Cars*
64. Toto
63. Deep Purple*
62. 3 Doors Down
61. Oasis
60. Iron Maiden
59. The Cranberries
58. Paramore
57. The Killers
56. Depeche Mode
55. The Doobie Brothers
54. Boston
53. Radiohead
52. Marilyn Manson
51. Bob Seger* & the Silver Bullet Band
50. Dire Straits*
49. Blink-182
48. Panic! at the Disco
47. Electric Light Orchestra*
46. Gorillaz
45. ZZ Top*
44. Rush*
43. Kiss*
42. R.E.M.*
41. Genesis*
40. OneRepublic
39. ABBA*
38. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers*
37. The Police*
36. Fall Out Boy
35. Heart*
34. Foo Fighters
33. Def Leppard
32. Nickelback
31. Black Sabbath*
30. Foreigner
29. Pearl Jam*
28. Green Day*
27. Lynyrd Skynyrd*
26. The Doors*
25. Coldplay
24. The Beach Boys*
23. The Who*
22. Nirvana*
21. Chicago*
20. Santana*
19. Creedence Clearwater Revival*
18. Journey*
17. Van Halen*
16. U2*
15. Bon Jovi*
14. Maroon 5
13. Red Hot Chili Peppers*
12. Linkin Park
11. Fleetwood Mac*
10. Aerosmith*
9. Guns N' Roses*
8. Metallica*
7. Eagles*
6. AC/DC*
5. The Rolling Stones*
4. Pink Floyd*
3. Queen*
2. Led Zeppelin*
1. The Beatles*

Detailed findings & methodology

"Rock music is unique in that the artists primarily work together and release music as bands, or ensembles with fairly consistent membership. While there are many great rock performers who are better known as solo artists — such as Prince, David Bowie, and Elvis Presley — 24/7 Wall St. looked only at bands for this article.

Rock bands do not all gain popularity in the same manner. Some, like Australian band AC/DC and many other bands from the previous century, toured, created, and sold many, many albums. In total, AC/DC has sold 72 million records in the United States alone, according to The Recording Industry Association of America. Others, generally more recent rock bands such as OneRepublic that was formed earlier this century, use the internet to gain popularity. That band has only sold 2 million records, but it is hugely popular online, with more than 1.5 million annual Wikipedia page views and over 4.2 million followers on Spotify.

Generally, newer artists have significantly better internet presence. The three bands with the most Spotify followers are Coldplay, Maroon 5, and Linkin Park, which were all formed in the late 1990s. Alternatively, those performers with the most albums sold, as measured by the RIAA, are the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and the Eagles, all of whom were started in the 60s and 70s.

The order of artists on the list also illustrates that there is more to being a popular rock band than simply musical ability. Fashion and attitude have always played a role in rock success, and the importance of image only increased with the advent of MTV in 1981. Bands that are highly skilled on a technical level — such as Steely Dan and Grateful Dead — therefore find themselves outranked by more pop-oriented groups such as Blink-182 in certain cases.

To determine the most popular rock bands of all time, 24/7 Wall St. generated an index based on album sales, popularity of singles, popularity of the band's Wikipedia page, popularity on Spotify, and user votes. Each component of the index was given equal weight.

A band's total certified US album sales came from the Recording Industry Association of America. The RIAA tracks album sales released in the American market with a threshold of 500,000 units sold. How well a band's singles performed was determined by awarding a band points for singles that spent time on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. A single was awarded points based on the number of weeks it was on the list and its rank for each week. Wikipedia page views were calculated for the past two years. Popularity on Spotify was based on Spotify's popularity index. User votes came from a list on Ranker.com that ranked the best rock bands of all time.

A band's most popular album is based on RIAA data for US album sales. In cases where a band had multiple albums that sold the same number of copies, the most recent release was chosen. Data relating to the year that each band was formed comes from band websites and other media sources such as Rolling Stone."

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-100-most-popular-rock-bands-of-all-time-2018-9#1-the-beatles-100

My disappointment is NIN, Judas Priest, Soundgarden, the Jimi Hendrix Experince, Yes and the Allman Brothers didn't made it on the list.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 20:40pm


As a big fan of popularity as criteria I have to say that list is trash. In no world should Wikipedia page views be counted as a metric. And when creating a list of popular artists it needs to be constructed in a way that the list can not be picked apart by changing focus on the weight given to any included criteria.

I do not have the time to even discredit it's poor definition of Rock'N'Roll, nor its lackluster attempt at putting different eras against each other. It is largely a disgrace.

Popularity is a cornerstone of what makes a legendary artist great. This looks like a pre-teen tried to put it together.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 21:38pm


@Bill,

See, what should've happened is the Miracles should've been inducted in 1987 and then Smokey gets in a few years later as a songwriter. It would be FAIR tbh...

Billy Ward & the Dominoes, not Clyde, should've been inducted first, then the Drifters, THEN Jackie, Clyde and Ben E. King after THEM.

What I noticed also is Sam Cooke missed a chance to be a two-time Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductee too, he got in solo in the first year of the RRHOF but when the Soul Stirrers were inducted, only the originals got in. They should've at least inducted Sam too because they began to gain a new level of fame with Sam.

I do find it weird they would add James' name to the JB's because he wasn't even a member lmao

@Chris F.,

Well it seems to me popularity (or populism) will play a big part in who gets in the Hall of Fame this year. They wanna sell tickets and if Janet is added as an inductee, watch for Barclays Center to be sold out within the first few minutes of its announcement!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 21:53pm


Timothy,

Sadly true popularity, artists with a given track record of actual success, has not played enough into Hall voter's decision making. In ways that has been correct. Less popular artists with high scores in influence, innovation, and musicianship deserve induction. Someone like Jackson may help to sell out Barclays, but an audience goes to that show for the experience to see legends perform on the same ticket. I honestly hope that Jackson is enshrined, and she will be a draw for sales. It is not the deciding factor however. Just as many will line up to see any 5 of these nominees highlighted. Not to mention to just be in a room that will house some of the greatest legends of all time. Jackson deserved to be inducted with her first nomination. I still think it will be her 5th nomination that will see her finally make it in. Certainly not when she deserved it, but when she obtains it. She is one of the few nominees I hope to be wrong on every year. Her legacy is undeniable. And all of the nominees this year do not match her in career output.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 22:53pm


"I do find it weird they would add James' name to the JB's because he wasn't even a member lmao'"

Posted by Timothy Pernell

That's right, Tim . The ONLY group that James Brown was EVER actually a MEMBER of, was
THE FAMOUS FLAMES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVBEmZpbz4w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EINYAGVgZPo

https://www.facebook.com/pg/thefamousflamesbysandibennett/photos/?ref=page_internal

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 23:14pm


And...speaking of Hank Ballard & The MIDNIGHTERS,
It could be that the reason why CHUBBY CHECKER is NOT inducted, despite numerous hits, is because his most FAMOUS RECORD was a COVER of a tune first made famous by Hank Ballard & The MIDNIGHTERS...

And The MIDNIGHTERS are ALREADY INDUCTED.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 23:21pm


@Bill,

Yeah I think I mentioned that Hank's induction curbed any chance of Chubby ever getting in and the Midnighters' belated 2012 induction further curbed it.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 23:44pm


Chris,

I understand your pessimism. I'm NOT trying to get my hopes too high, but I think it's really Janet's year to lose. We have to remember she's in a less competitive HOF this year than when she was nominated the first time for 2016. Janet had N.W.A. to tend with.

She doesn't have that kinda pressure in 2018. LL Cool J hasn't made big moves in YEARS and is these days seen as an actor on CSI. Chaka Khan may be nominated constantly but she's not gonna motivate many voters this year. I honestly DON'T see any hurdles for her that I see for Chaka and LL.

Sure, many point out that the Hall mostly votes one woman per HOF but don't always say never. Final tallies can be very unpredictable. Shoot, it's still even possible for Stevie Nicks to be in the top 5 of the official first vote and STILL lose an induction first time.

When she was #1 there on the fan vote, I did think Janet would have some hurdle of sorts. And don't get me wrong, I agree with you, there's still a huge bias against African American female musicians getting in. But I'm sure with all that was addressed on an article honoring Aretha as the first woman enshrined in the Hall, the committee is at least hearing them.

Maybe that's just the optimist in me but I'm pretty confident the third time's the charm for her. Either that or get angry diatribes about the Hall's bias, which would happen either way. I just can't see the Hall having not at least ONE black artist inducted this year and if that's true, don't count on LL and Chaka/Rufus.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/6/2018 @ 23:54pm


@ Casper, You had listed 5 British acts as picks for induction, but I don't think the Hall would vote in 5. I would agree with you on 3, DL, hopefully Roxy Music, and the 3rd would be between The Zombies and The Cure. Anyway, figure on 3 of these 4. This year has been proclaimed, I've heard, as the Year of the Woman, so why not 2 women artists this year. Stevie has just turned 70 this year, and Janet is due, seems like her time is here. As Timothy stated, the Hall will usually induct at least one R&B/Rap artist. Also will agree with you on Todd Rundgren, somehow he should get voted in with the #6 slot. The Cure(well deserving), may get edged out if The Zombies and Roxy Music get more support. Robert Smith's influences are interesting. Beatles, Stones, Hendrix, of course, thnx to older brother. He listened to Nick Drake a lot at age 10, then big on the Glam scene, with Bowie, T.Rex, Slade, Sweet, and *Roxy Music*, as influences. Also Alex Harvey Band was huge, then with Punk emerging, was into Pistols, Stranglers, Buzzcocks, the Banshees, Costello, and Wire. And finally, after touring with Siouxsie & Banshees, he gathered inspiration from that, and albums by Nico, Brian Eno, and Psychedelic Furs, in making the album, "Pornography".

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 02:15am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF_tKfP5VE0

Bill,

See, what should've happened is the Miracles should've been inducted in 1987 and then Smokey gets in a few years later as a songwriter. It would be FAIR tbh...

Yes. The Miracles SHOULD have gone in as a GROUP in 1987...because they would have all still been ALIVE !!
When they FINALLY got inducted 25 years LATER, Ronnie White and Marv Tarplin were both DEAD, Bobby Rogers was NEAR DEATH (He died less than a year later) and Smokey was already inducted....ALONE.
So , only PETE and CLAUDETTE were there to be inducted...and all hopes that SMOKEY would get that SECOND INDUCTION, this time, with the Miracles, was AGAIN dashed, 'cause The Hall DIDN'T DO IT.


Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 04:00am


Will,

Yep. Stevie and Janet fits in all the circles for getting in there: both are women and with Janet, she doesn't have too many hurdles against her as far as black acts go (only Rufus/Chaka and LL Cool J).

No way in the world they'll induct more than one (or two) British act(s) either. So that would leave out Roxy Music and Radiohead. Then we have the Cure and the Zombies and there could be a split vote that allows one of them in there. And of course, Def Leppard is currently leading the fan vote.

I just notice that this list has a whole lot of FOREIGN acts!

Def Leppard - UK
The Cure - UK
The Zombies - UK
Roxy Music - UK
Radiohead - UK
Kraftwerk - Germany

The other nine are American:
Todd - Upper Darby, Pennsylvania
Janet - Gary, Indiana/Los Angeles, California
Stevie - Phoenix, Arizona
John Prine - Maywood/Chicago, Illinois
Rufus & Chaka - Chicago, Illinois
Rage Against the Machine - Los Angeles, California
MC5 - Detroit, Michigan
Devo - Akron, Ohio
LL Cool J - Queens, New York (odd how the ceremony is in New York City and LL Cool J is from NYC)

And this year, the UK bands have taken over the fan vote, a UK band is #1 on the fan vote and only two Americans are in the top 5 of the fan vote and could replace each other before the fan vote's over.

----
So I can imagine the committee is not gonna want most of the inductees being from OUTSIDE the U.S.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 04:28am


Timothy,

I've been following what you post on here. You have some fine things to say. Last night you had an interesting post on Janet Jackson. She has a rather good possibility this year. The beginning of your post is confusing.

"I'm NOT trying to get my hopes up but I really think it's Janet's year to lose". Did you make a mistake? I think you meant it's Janet's year to win. Let me know about that. Your post talks about Janet not having that kind of pressure in 2018. You seem to feel it's Janet's year to win NOT lose. Look over your post on Janet J and let me know.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 05:53am


Ben,

Yeah lol this is Janet's year to win. Sorry for the confusion. I know folks usually say "this is X's year to lose" as "they're gonna win" but I may have said that completely wrong but no I do think Janet will get in this year.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 11:20am




"See, what should've happened is the Miracles should've been inducted in 1987 and then Smokey gets in a few years later as a songwriter. It would be FAIR tbh..."

Billy Ward & the Dominoes, not Clyde, should've been inducted first, then the Drifters, THEN Jackie, Clyde and Ben E. King after THEM.

Posted by Timothy Pernell

What's even weirder...is what happened with
THE IMPRESSIONS.

JERRY BUTLER, while he actually WAS the group's original lead singer, left the group relatively early in their career. (only 2 single releases, I believe) due to corporate politics inside Vee Jay Records.(they pulled him out of the group and signed him SOLO...and then DUMPED The IMPRESSIONS....BIG mistake !!) But he went on to have a HUGE solo career...numerous hit records, Chairman of The Rhythm & Blues Foundation, Host of all those PBS Oldies Specials, Commissioner of Cook County, Illinois.....
But he gets in with THE IMPRESSIONS as an original member, BUT...no induction for his SOLO career...
Yet, CURTIS MAYFIELD, also an original IMPRESSIONS member (who took over as lead singer after Jerry left) gets inducted...as a member of THE IMPRESSIONS....AND for his solo career !!!
JERRY BUTLER deserves to be a DOUBLE-INDUCTEE TOO !!
But he got inducted as a member of THE IMPRESSIONS only !!
Go figure THAT one out !!!

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 12:36pm


Since last night, there have been some moves on the fan vote.

Def Leppard is now over 350k votes. As always mentioned, when an act tops the fan vote, they're automatically enshrined in the Rock Hall. Nothing is really stopping them from getting in so like it or not, the boys from Sheffield WILL be inducted into the 2019 class of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

That's the one sure thing about this year's votes.

Now let's get to the bottom four.

Stevie Nicks is still under 300k votes. It'll get there soon but it's stunning how it seems her vote numbers, which were rapid the first few weeks of the vote, that at one point she was #1 but Def Leppard's fans quickly put a stop to this. Her chances are still high for induction but sometimes, even the #2 runner-up of the fan vote didn't have enough to get in of the year they were nominated (Nine Inch Nails were #2 in 2014 but were eventually left out of the 2015 inductee list; Deep Purple were #2 in 2012's fan vote only to get snubbed for the 2013 inductee list) but good thing that the runner-up since then have almost been sure to get in. If Stevie holds on to #2, she'll be in for a second time. BUT it still depends on the counts of votes she gets outside the fan vote. Which will be the determined factor.

Todd Rundgren is still gaining a lot of momentum with his votes. Right now at 212k votes, he's actually just 82k votes below Stevie and there's still a good possibility it could reach Stevie's numbers by the end of the month if he gets enough push. If anything I think he's more than assured an induction at this point. He seems to be the second most surefire inductee, even over Stevie. I don't think he'll just be a Musical Excellence backdoor inductee. But again, that's the uncertainty part where some acts get the top five but ultimately doesn't get voted into the Hall. But I feel Todd has a LOT of support outside the fan vote. So we have two assured inductees this year: Def Leppard and the wizard from Philadelphia by way of Upper Darby.

The big move in the fan vote top 5 is the push for the Zombies. Don't underestimate the power of Paul Schaffer. I actually think they could be the third sure act to get in, not the Cure. But it would depend on how many votes are split since both acts are still close.

This leads to the Cure. Weeks ago, I was so sure The Cure were getting in, like nothing was stopping them, but as it turned out, nothing is too sure. They could be the act that by December 2019 gets left out. Them dropping from #3 to #5, where they may be even fighting to stay at #5 by Janet Jackson, is the dramatic drop of the fan vote so far.

Now this leaves the top four of the bottom 9:

1.) Janet Jackson
2.) Devo
3.) Rage Against the Machine
4.) Roxy Music

Of these four, Janet has the strongest chance than the other three to get in and she has momentum on her side (in fact, the most momentum of all fifteen nominees, John Prine included).

The other three are bands and since two bands are almost assured to get in (The Zombies and Def Leppard), we need a sixth inductee and it'll possibly be Rage Against the Machine as the one U.S. band to get in. Not Devo. And definitely not UK's Roxy Music. Roxy Music and Devo will get a second try next year, but won't have enough votes for this year.

Radiohead is such a controversial pick that if they do get in, they are surely not performing but I feel they won't get in especially with Rage Against the Machine being in it. One '90s band is getting in and it won't be Thom Yorke and Co. despite their reputation.

And that leaves the other five:
John Prine (I feel if some different acts were inducted, John would be a shoo-in but I think populism will win out over artistry but John will get in one day because the Hall loves to honor singer-songwriters)

LL Cool J (no way he's getting in especially since the Hall would rather induct a more creative rap act. Outkast could get nominated and the Notorious B.I.G., who reached 25 years of eligibility this year, will probably get nominated, but LL would be passed over once again)

Rufus and Chaka Khan (all I'll say about this act is one of them will get in... ONE DAY. Just not gonna be 2019; I argue if (or better, WHEN) Janet gets in, Chaka's chances will dramatically increase.)

Kraftwerk (Devo and Todd Rundgren are in their way so they won't get out of the gates this year. Who knows if they'll get nominated next year?)

MC5 (I'm just gonna be blunt about the proto-punk legends from Detroit: they have a better chance of getting "Kick Out the Jams" in the Hall of Fame Singles category than as inductees themselves)

So my new updated list of those I think will get inducted are now these acts:
Def Leppard (surefire)
Todd Rundgren (surefire and not as M.E.)
The Zombies (almost surefire at this point)
Stevie Nicks (depends on the votes though)
Janet Jackson (momentum, #MeToo and populism will be her factors)
Rage Against the Machine (Tom Morello is gonna make sure this happens, trust!)

I'm going with six inductees this year. And these will be the picks.

And we got five more weeks, people!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 13:01pm


The 2019 Songwriters Hall of Fame nominees have been announced and they are:

in the Performing Songwriters category:

Missy Elliott, Mariah Carey, Chrissie Hynde, Vince Gill, Mike Love, Jimmy Cliff, Jeff Lynne, Cat Stevens, John Prine, Lloyd Price, Tommy James and Eurythmics (Annie Lennox & Dave Stewart).

and in the Non-Performing Songwriters category:

Jack Tempchin, Dean Dillon, Jerry Fuller, Tom T. Hall, Roger Nichols, Dallas Austin, P.F. Sloan & Steve Barri, Russell Brown & Irwin Levine, Lynn Ahrens & Stephen Flaherty, Dean Pitchford & Michael Gore, Dan Penn & Spooner Oldham and Bobby Hart & Tommy Boyce.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 13:21pm


Timothy,

The Hall has excluded black artists before, as recently as 2014(Clarence Clemons did go in with the E Street Band in a side category). I have learned over the decades that the Hall tends to go down an unpredictable path. You would think the MeToo movement and social awareness of the last couple of years would make voters a bit more aware of who they put in. In a perfect world Jackson, Nick's, and Khan would either already be inducted or be in this class together.

I do think you tend to under estimate Khan and Rufus. They are a vital act, and instrument wise there is not a better band on this list. Nearly all of them are masters of their given craft (even Khan is well equipped at the drums). Vocally there is not a singer on Khan's level here (few are, and many are already inducted). Nick's is uniquely gifted, but Khan has the chops. Jackson doesn't really compete in that arena. Yes she is a singer, but her strength always was more about production.


Sadly I still do not see Khan and Rufus getting in either. And I am starting to wonder about Nick's. I am predicting her, but we may end up with a class of white men. Which the Hall will face fire and fury over. Then again they may twist that and fill the Sidemen and Early Influence categories with a yet to be determined set of acts.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 15:02pm


Timothy Pernell,

I have to disagree with you about LL Cool J not getting inducted this year, I really think that he will be inducted this year because the ceremony this year in back in NYC (LL's hometown) and with Biggie, Jay-Z and Eminem all becoming eligible in the next few years, this is probably his last real shot for induction, and he recently became the first ever Rap/Hip-Hop act to ever get a Kennedy Center Honor and this is his fifth nomination so I really think that this is his year for induction as well as it should be.

As I've said it before, I really think that Stevie Nicks will be the one act out of the top six acts on the fan ballot (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, The Cure and Janet Jackson) that gets left behind because her solo career isn't too impressive and they're aware she is inducted and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career, And the writers that vote? I just can't see many of them falling for this. They know her discography doesn't merit this award, and I frankly don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction (she's already in with Fleetwood Mac), so I simply don't feel that her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus I just can't see the Hall putting two women in in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie, and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become members of the Clyde McPhatter Club and become 2X time inductees more so than Stevie as well, so I really think that she will be passed over this year as a solo artist just like Sting was back in 2015 and she'll be left out in the cold this year.

As for Rage Against The Machine, I just don't see them getting inducted for a few more years, I really think that Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails and Smashing Pumpkins will all get in ahead of them because they're all more important '90s bands than them and RATM will definitely split votes with MC5 and Radiohead again this year, that being said, Tom Morello is on the nominating committee and he's one of the most influential nominating committee members to join in the past few years, so they'll definitely get in eventually but it won't be for a few more years.

I have to agree with you about Roxy Music, Devo, Radiohead, John Prine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Kraftwerk and MC5 though, none of those acts that I just mentioned will get in this year but most of them (except for John Prine and MC5) will get in eventually.

so that's why I'm still predicting and I really think that this year's induction class (if six) will be:

1. The Cure
2. Def Leppard
3. Janet Jackson
4. LL Cool J
5. Todd Rundgren
6. The Zombies

All of those acts that I just mentioned are still my official predictions for this year's inductees (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 15:50pm


Chris,

I think you're under the assumption that I don't think Chaka or Rufus stand a chance LOL

I CLEARLY said they could likely get in next year if not next. Any induction of an "urban" act (I put that in quotations because I hate that term but I ain't stupid either, I know how the media categorizes things) would help another "urban" act get through.

The Hall's at the position where it could actually induct one of the biggest black legends of all time in Janet Jackson. Chaka Khan and Rufus, for all of their legendary music, is not as memorable except for a couple of hits and Chaka's personality/solo career overshadowing them.

In another year, if Janet had been snubbed for a nod, Chaka MAY have had a chance considering the nominations aren't as strong as previous nods. The 2015-18 nominations were pretty strong, the one for 2019 is quite leaner. All I was saying was the same thing you are: they won't get in this year.

No I'm not underestimating them at all. They deserve to get in. Just not now. It's all politics at the end of the day anyway.

richie,

LL Cool J is not getting in. I'm just not seeing it in the cards. I think had another hip-hop act got a nod this year, like Outkast should've gotten, they would've inducted them as shoo-ins.

The 2019 inductees will be short of a premier rap act, RATM has a better chance now than LL does. And I'm not just basing this on the fan vote.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 16:23pm


@richie,

Stevie could very well not be picked this year. That's still a possibility considering her votes have stalled for a while. Todd Rundgren, if he keeps it up, will be #2. But this isn't too guaranteed yet.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 16:57pm


Timothy,


No assumption at all. I know you are behind an eventual induction. And that you think Rufus is out of the running this year. Which is where I am saying you are understating their potential. Not that you ignore their achievements as a group. I apologize if it came off that way.

You have a strong lean towards Jackson getting in this year. I still think that would be surprising. Nick's on the ballot, and 2 black acts (urban is a idiotic term I agree) with a longer nomination history are more likely to slow Jackson's march into the Hall than the other way around. I always say grab a similar act already inducted and look at how the Hall treated them. Khan and LL Cool J have fallen into that category of 5 plus nominations. Which is around where most modern inductees get to before they are enshrined. Khan is now where Gladys Knight was when she went in with the Pips. LL is a nomination ahead of when N.W.A went in. Jackson sits at 3. While I personally think she is more in line with Madonna as a comparison, the Hall seems to be treating her like Donna Summer. It is unfair, like I have said Jackson should have been a one time and done nominee, but the Hall doesn't have its act together. Making me guess that Jackson finally is ushered in around 2022. At this point I find it much more realistic that LL Cool J is in.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 20:04pm


Reposting my picks. I'm sticking with it and holding out hope Kraftwerk will get in, but I'm going to amend one thing.


My predictions for the final inductees are as follows:


Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren
The Cure
Janet Jackson
The Zombies (changed from Kraftwerk)
Stevie Nicks

Who I would prefer:

Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren
The Cure
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
Radiohead

Nothing against Stevie, but she is a better collaborator than independent solo artist, and if we are going to get a repeat female nominee, it should be like Tina Turner, or another solo powerhouse that trail blazed like Pat Benatar or Kate Bush. I welcome all feedback, even conspiracy theorist rhetoric lol. (Edit: The Zombies don't really belong as a 2 hit wonder, but unfortunately the committee seems to think anyone attached to the harder rock side of the Brit invasion deserves to go in. I would counter Herman's Hermits is much more worthy, had WAY more than 2 hits, and innovated more than Zombies)

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 21:16pm


@Chris F.,

Nah. Chaka and LL aren't gonna stop Janet's chances. I'm just not convinced of it. That's like saying no '90s act will get inducted this year. This year, it's between Radiohead and Rage Against the Machine. And there are a lot of UK-based acts. Unless they want complaints, I can only see at least two UK bands getting in this year (Def Leppard and the omnipresent Zombies). In fact, there are a lot of similarities that each of the nominees share this year with the exception of one act.

With the Zombies, the Cure, Def Leppard, Radiohead and Roxy Music, they all are rock or rock-ish bands based in the UK. Usually if you want to break it down like this, two of the British acts will be marked for induction this year. Plus Roxy Music shares a lot with Todd Rundgren and I don't think they're ready for Roxy Music yet despite having legends like Bryan Ferry and Brian Eno.

Then you have the genre-blurring singer-songwriters like Todd Rundgren and John Prine, both of whom trek very different paths (Prine as a folkster, then Americana and country; Rundgren in power pop, pop rock, progressive rock, glam rock, etc.). This is where John Prine's induction presents a road block. In a different year, if Todd wasn't nominated, John would easily be inducted.

Then you have two female solo artists in Stevie Nicks and Janet Jackson. These two can definitely get in at the same time, only thing that they have in common is they're women but both very influential in their fields depending on who you're talking to. Plus, I sense besides Def Leppard, these two would fit the "populism" side of the Hall.

Political rock acts like MC5 and Rage Against the Machine. And RATM still has all of its band mates so it's likely if they get in this year, they'll send a strong political message in a very polarizing time in this country.

Artsy bands like Kraftwerk and Devo. These bands would cancel each other out this year. I don't see Kraftwerk getting nominated after this year until probably 2022 or something but Devo will get a second chance.

What the predominantly black band Rufus and Chaka Khan, LL Cool J and Janet share in common is being considered "black acts" and Janet being the ultimate crossover superstar. What I gather from the Hall trying their hands at Rufus/Chaka is Questlove wants them in. Questlove also asked for Todd Rundgren's nomination and got it. Questlove was also the reason Hall & Oates are in. Questlove will be one out of two this year.

The inductee list will be two UK bands, one U.S. band and three very popular solo acts (one of which was snubbed for too long, another who has a lot of momentum and another who basically will get in because the Hall would love to give a distinction to getting in the Hall with a group and on their own to a woman). That's how I feel it will break down (if five, but if six, there's a chance for another UK band or Devo/Prine to sneak in on the sixth spot).

Also I know the Hall has a history of excluding black acts, but of all the years to expect this, I'm not thinking there won't be at least one black act inducted...unless you want all hell to break loose, which happens anyway. 2018 inducted a black act but they weren't alive to receive it. This year, a black act will get in and they will be alive. I'm betting on it.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/7/2018 @ 23:03pm


https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1060191676399017986

Songwriters Hall of Fame gave @AP its new list of nominees

No official announcement yet!

Non-performer nominees missing from the list

* Missy Elliott
* Mariah Carey
* Chrissie Hynde
* Vince Gill
* Mike Love
* Jimmy Cliff
* Jeff Lynne
* Cat Stevens
* John Prine
* Lloyd Price
* Tommy James
* Eurythmics (Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart).

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11/8/2018 @ 07:18am


ROY
I like Cat Stevens, Mariah Carey, and Tommy James on this Songwriters HOF. It probably will lead to RRHOF Nominations for Mariah Carey and Tommy James in 2019. What do you think is the BEST combination for the 5 or 6 Inductees from this RRHOF 2018-2019 cycle? KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 11/8/2018 @ 12:03pm


THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2019 SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME

https://www.songhall.org/news/view/songwriters_hall_of_fame_2019_nominees_for_induction_announced

Cat Stevens * Annie Lennox / Dave Stewart * Lloyd Price * Chrissie Hynde * Dallas Austin * Mariah Carey * Mike Love * Vince Gill * Tommy James * John Prine * P.F. Sloan / Steve Barri * Jeff Lynne * Missy Elliott * Dean Pitchford / Michael Gore * Roger Nichols * Jimmy Cliff * Dean Dillon * Jerry Fuller * Jack Tempchin * Tom T. Hall * Tommy Boyce / Bobby Hart * L. Russell Brown / Irwin Levine * Lynn Ahrens / Stephen Flaherty * Dan Penn / Spooner Oldham

" target="_blank" title="https://www.songhall.org/images/uploads/news/Nominees_2.jpg[/img]">https://www.songhall.org/images/uploads/news/Nominees_2.jpg[/img]

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11/8/2018 @ 13:19pm


KING,

I think that the best combination for the 2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees (if six) are three UK bands (The Cure, Def Leppard and The Zombies) and three very popular solo acts (Janet Jackson, LL Cool J and Todd Rundgren).

Those acts that I just mentioned would be the best combination for this year's inductees (if six).

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/8/2018 @ 17:24pm


Chris F, your nomination number comparisons aren't quite apt. Those earlier inductees faced much, much stronger competition than these modern ones. If anything, the more nominations an act piles up at this point only seems to make it more likely that they WON'T again and recent history clearly favors those making their first ballot.

To me, Chaka and LL and Janet not getting in these past few years tell me that the voters just don't really care. Now it's less about them having built up momentum than it is about having the RIGHT ballot where they can sneak into a #6 or #5 position and become an inducted Performer.

And, if anything, they would benefit more from the mid-00s ballots that only had like 9 choices on them. Under those circumstances, it can be more about momentum and just needing to get past a few names. These larger ballots just give those that aren't all that into LL Cool J brand new names and other options to support, meaning if they weren't favorable to LL Cool J the first time he was on that ballot, they have even LESS reason to reconsider him years later.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 11/8/2018 @ 18:04pm


richie,

You got someone who agrees with at least five of your picks:
http://www.sturgisjournal.com/news/20181108/farr-side-rock-hall-part-2

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/8/2018 @ 19:06pm


Casper,

I would love for a shorter nominee list! But yeah, this doesn't bode well for LL Cool J at least. You have some interesting new acts so he won't probably be included in the final list of inductees in any class.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/8/2018 @ 19:08pm


Looks like Joe and Kristen from Who Cares About The Rock Hall are now part of the Voting Body.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 11/8/2018 @ 21:11pm


ROY

I like Cat Stevens, Mariah Carey, and Tommy James on this Songwriters HOF. It probably will lead to RRHOF Nominations for Mariah Carey and Tommy James in 2019. What do you think is the BEST combination for the 5 or 6 Inductees from this RRHOF 2018-2019 cycle? KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 11.8.18 @ 12:03pm

Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
Def Leppard
The Zombies

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11/8/2018 @ 21:58pm


@Dude,

You mean from the people who own the Rock Hall Pod Twitter? I notice that too. Bet they vote for Janet lol they talked about her a few weeks ago.

@Roy,

I feel if Todd (and the Zombies) gets in (and it's shocking Todd's not in the Songwriters' Hall of Fame either), it opens the door for Tommy James. It has to. He and the Shondells were truly influential.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 00:03am


On the Songwriters, Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, was surprised they are not in yet. Tommy James, well he and the Shondells should be in as a performer, but if this is the first step, OK. To me, this would be such a minimal percentage of what Tommy and his band contributed to rock and roll. Annie and Dave, pretty awesome, I'm good with that pick. John Prine, yes, and Tom T. Hall is very cool. He had the humor element sometimes apparent in his songwriting, not quite like Ray Stevens, but similar. Sorry, I am not familiar with some of the pre- 60's-70's nominees to comment on. Cat Stevens obviously wrote many great songs, as well.

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 01:10am


Casper,

Stronger competition in what way? Not a single act here is unworthy of a nomination, and a smaller class of nominees does not create a different amount of competition. In fact to make the nominations more informative and educational a larger group should be used. You have argued for that yourself in the Rock Hall Projected thread. Which I agreed with.

The point I make is that any artist who is nominated over 3 times is inducted eventually. Usually somewhere between there 4th and 7th nomination. That has changed, it used to be between the 2nd and 4th. Very few artists have appeared on the ballot once. Most who have that distinction have been in the last decade. Meaning they will appear again. A few have become the exceptions that prove the rule. Chic for example. Solomon Burke managed to make it to 10, despite the fact he should just now be a contender.

Outside of that acts like Mary Wells managed to never get a modern nomination, despite the fact she is one of the largest snubs in the history of the Hall.

Still any artist crossing pass the 4th nomination will be inducted from here on out. The only thing that can stop that is if by some chan can be Nile Rodgersed in.

Jackson deserves it, so does LL, so does Khan. So will most of the Indie and Alt acts you so fully support that will be pushed into the multiple nomination fate the others have faced.

Larger nomination classes with larger groups of inducted acts can fix that.

Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 02:47am


Timothy,

You make a lot of good posts. I see that you predict both Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks. I am not sure how likely that is. You would think with the Me too movement it would be. I tend to think it will be only one female act. I am predicting Stevie Nicks slightly over Janet J. But I am predicting Janet J if its six inductees. So it is possible its both but that's if its six inductees.

You mentioned that you predict two UK bands, one US Band and three very popular solo acts. I agree with the two UK bands. Def Leppard and the Zombies both have a very good chance. The one US band you predict is Rage Against the Machine. I don't know that this will happen. There is a lot of Veteran traditional Rock musicians in the Voting body. This goes back to my example of guys like Pete Townsend and Eric Clapton. They are NOT voting for RATM I would say. I own some of their tunes but I don't think Rock legends like those know who they are too much. I don't think Debbie Harry from Blondie would check off RATM either.

You also predict three very popular solo acts. You are saying Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks and Todd Rundgren. I agree completely with Stevie Nicks and Todd. I said earlier that Janet J. is my sixth inductee. I am NOT a big fan of Janet J. at all but I acknowledge she has been snubbed for long time. The thing is it is slightly tough with the Voting body again with guys like Pete Townsend and Eric Clapton. Debbie Harry from Blondie could give a Vote to Janet J. I can see that. Janet J. has possibilities for Votes.


Posted by Ben on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 07:05am


There were 6 inductees in the main performers category in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2017. It could happen again in 2019 because of the weak ballot. There were 7 in 2004.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 08:17am


CURRENT STANDINGS

" target="_blank" title="https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ourrockandrollhalloffame71305/download/file.php?id=612&t=1[/img]">https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ourrockandrollhalloffame71305/download/file.php?id=612&t=1[/img]

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 08:34am


The only nominees on the 2019 ballot I can see all the surviving black 50s-60s-70s R&B-Motown inductees voting for are The Zombies, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Janet Jackson.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 08:39am


Ben,

Welcome back to our forum.

Observations:

In my honest opinion, this is a Critic’s ballot. Overall, it reminds me a great deal of the 2015 Nominating Ballot. The fact that none of the remaining major progressive rock bands had been nominated, is extremely disappointing. Now let’s look over this list and establish how a prog aficionado, such as myself would view this. There is technically only one “prog” band on this list and it is Roxy Music.

01. Roxy Music had been long overdue for a nomination. Rolling Stone Magazine lists 4 of their recordings as being extremely important: “For Your Pleasure,” “Country Life,” “Siren” and “Avalon.” My favorite Roxy Music albums are “Avalon” and “Country Life.” I would have preferred to have seen Duran Duran nominated instead, but Roxy Music is a great alternative.


Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 10.9.18 @ 21:25pmObservations:

In my honest opinion, this is a Critic’s ballot. Overall, it reminds me a great deal of the 2015 Nominating Ballot. The fact that none of the remaining major progressive rock bands had been nominated, is extremely disappointing. Now let’s look over this list and establish how a prog aficionado, such as myself would view this. There is technically only one “prog” band on this list and it is Roxy Music.

01. Roxy Music had been long overdue for a nomination. Rolling Stone Magazine lists 4 of their recordings as being extremely important: “For Your Pleasure,” “Country Life,” “Siren” and “Avalon.” My favorite Roxy Music albums are “Avalon” and “Country Life.” I would have preferred to have seen Duran Duran nominated instead, but Roxy Music is a great alternative.

However, does Roxy Music have the votes to be inducted?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 09:57am


Ben,

Welcome back to our forum.

Observations:

In my honest opinion, this is a Critic’s ballot. Overall, it reminds me a great deal of the 2015 Nominating Ballot. The fact that none of the remaining major progressive rock bands had been nominated, is extremely disappointing. Now let’s look over this list and establish how a prog aficionado, such as myself would view this. There is technically only one “prog” band on this list and it is Roxy Music.

01. Roxy Music had been long overdue for a nomination. Rolling Stone Magazine lists 4 of their recordings as being extremely important: “For Your Pleasure,” “Country Life,” “Siren” and “Avalon.” My favorite Roxy Music albums are the brilliant “Avalon” and “Country Life.” I would have preferred to have seen Duran Duran nominated instead, but Roxy Music is a great alternative.

However, does Roxy Music really have enough of the necessary votes to be inducted?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 10:02am


Ben,

Welcome back to our forum.

Observations:

In my honest opinion, this is a Critic’s ballot. Overall, it reminds me a great deal of the 2015 Nominating Ballot. The fact that none of the remaining major progressive rock bands had been nominated, is extremely disappointing. Now let’s look over this list and establish how a prog aficionado, such as myself would view this. There is technically only one “prog” band on this list and it is Roxy Music.

01. Roxy Music had been long overdue for a nomination. Rolling Stone Magazine lists 4 of their recordings as being extremely important: “For Your Pleasure,” “Country Life,” “Siren” and “Avalon.” My favorite Roxy Music albums are the brilliant “Avalon” and “Country Life.” I would have preferred to have seen Duran Duran nominated instead, but Roxy Music is a great alternative.

However, does Roxy Music really have enough of the necessary votes to be inducted?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 10:02am


“You mean from the people who own the Rock Hall Pod Twitter? I notice that too. Bet they vote for Janet lol they talked about her a few weeks ago.”

- Tim

Apparently, I’ve recently listened to their newest episode. They’re not on the voting body, but one of their recurring guests is.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 12:15pm


Ben,

I'm predicting and I really think that this year's inductees will be three UK bands (The Cure, Def Leppard and The Zombies) and three very popular solo acts (Janet Jackson, LL Cool J and Todd Rundgren).

All of those acts that I just mentioned are my official predictions for this year's inductees (if six).

I really think that Stevie Nicks will end up just like Sting and she'll be passed over for induction as a solo artist this year just like Sting was back in 2015, simply because I frankly don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction (she's already in with Fleetwood Mac), so I'm not seeing how Stevie merits a second induction and because of that, I simply don't feel that her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus I just can't see the Hall putting two female solo artists in in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie, so I really think that out of the top six acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, The Cure and Janet Jackson), I really think that Stevie will be the one left behind and she'll be left out in the cold this year.

Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine, Roxy Music and Rufus With Chaka Khan will all be passed over this year but most of them (except for MC5 who are more likely to be inducted via the Singles category now) will all try again and will all get in eventually.

As much as I love John Prine, I just don't think that he deserves a Performer induction, so I think that the Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being a songwriter/composer, his nomination as a Performer this year does an injustice to other '70s singer-songwriters that have not been nominated yet and were much more well-known, namely Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Carly Simon, Jim Croce, and Emmylou Harris, so I think that he's more likely to either get inducted via the backdoor (either the Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer) or the Musicial Excellence category) for his songwriting, rather than get an induction as a Performer or get inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame first (he's just been announced as a 2019 Songwriters Hall of Fame nominee).

So that's why I'm predicting and I really think that The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 12:44pm


There are 5 solo acts on the ballot. If all 5 of them get enough votes, we'll get 7 inductees because there will be enough time to squeeze in all their acceptance speeches and performances before midnight.

01. John Prine
02. Todd Rundgren
03. Stevie Nicks
04. Janet Jackson
05. LL Cool J
06. Def Leppard
07. The Zombies

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 13:02pm


Chris F, I'm making the point that earlier nominations groups were STRONGER in terms of name recognition, generally. And, obviously, there were just so many A-list names with unimpeachable credentials being inducted into the early 00s, etc.

If The Cars or Steve Miller or Bad Company, etc. were on the current ballot, they'd all be absolute LOCKS for induction. 100%. Instead, this year lacks a single act that can be considered a slam dunk, thus making it an "easier" ballot than some recent years.

I'm not saying the nominees are weaker. I mean, Kraftwerk? Radiohead? The Cure? Etc. There's a TON of great stuff here. I see Rufus and Chaka Khan as arguably the least deserving and I could live with them getting in. Likewise, I can see ANY of the 15 making it over the threshold which is absolutely unprecedented. I mean, nobody thought Bad Brains had a prayer.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 15:01pm


BTW, I am really really looking forward to the Singles inductees this year and I believe they'll announce them with the actual inductees soon (which may include an NP or two that we didn't see coming). They can really clean up a lot of the 50s/60s backlog by backdooring a bunch of key artists that really don't have a prayer to get in via the ballot (and probably SHOULDN'T be on the ballot taken space from all these major 70s/80s/90s snubs).

As far as Performers go, I would be ecstatic for 6 Performer inductees and one of them NOT being Todd Rundgren. Rundgren gets backdoored via the more fitting Musical Excellence category which would honor everything he has done in the industry. We'd then have inducted SEVEN names from this amazing ballot and a potential SIX (or more!) key artists via the singles category, etc. It could be a truly huge year.

And if that were to continue for just a few more years? Well, do the math. 5-6 older snubs getting in via Performer/Musical Excellence annually (plus newly eligible no-brainers) and at least half a dozen via the singles category. The snubs list would be shrinking awfully quick.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 15:06pm


BTW, who do you all think is the #1 name that has not been on a ballot that would have the easiest road to induction?

I can't see how The Monkees would not get in almost immediately. A classic rock name like Bad Company or Doobie Brothers. A singer-songwriter (they have the best track record of getting inducted) like Nilsson or Zevon. A 90s rock act that guitar bands really appreciate like Smashing Pumpkins.

Unfortunately, the nominating committee is well aware that putting a name like that on the ballot just means one less slot for one of their own personal favorites.

But mark my words, those acts above and their similar ilk will be absolutely guaranteed induction immediately when they hit the ballot. The votes are there.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 15:10pm


I like Casper's thinking. My 2 biggest snubs I felt this year were the Monkees and Bad Company, along with Depeche Mode. I am happy that the Cure is on the ballot for at least some recognition of new wave/pre-grunge alternative, but the cloudiness of their induction really makes me think the nom com is forever stuck in their incomprehensible bubble, nominating John Prine and seeming to only include Kraftwerk as a token instead of the slam dunk they should have been 5 years ago. Jethro Tull is another I think should be there without a thought. And what of the 80s pop scene that has a few giants but is otherwise silent? Whitney Houston needs to go so Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men and others can be included. Of course, this is predicated on Janet getting in this year, which even seems to have a hard time.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 15:57pm


Casper

Try going back,

Chubby Checker
Patsy Cline
Guess Who
Judy Collins
Gordon Lightfoot

It is now about who is respected. It is not about who the kids or nom com want.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 16:36pm


I understand votes are hard to predict. Can't go on the fan ballot because that's also unpredictable. We've seen people who made the top five but not necessarily get in.

I think it'll go down to who people feel will get the most boost.

Some didn't see Todd Rundgren pulling in as many votes as he has. The Zombies could get in too because of the increasing fan votes but nothing's guaranteed. The reason why I and some others keep saying Janet and Stevie both have chances of getting enshrined have more to do with the current political climate. Some say Stevie was a response to #MeToo but I think Janet is more so a response to it than Stevie is. Stevie was a fans' pick (i.e., populism) but with Janet, it may be more than that, judging on what she's done.

It's possible John Prine might be the fourth solo act if they decided on 7 inductees instead of six. I actually can't see them just inducting five this year. Last year they inducted five, but they also inducted six in 2015 and 2017. So 2019 would probably repeat the cycle.

We're now a month away from history.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 16:52pm


Fan vote update:

Stevie Nicks continues to stall. Seems the Cure has picked up the pace a little... just a tiny bit.

Def Leppard's closing in on 370k votes. Y'all think they'll make it to 400k before December 9th?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 16:55pm


Timothy,

Easily will Def Leppard get to 400K. They are the only act I'm sure of the listed that will be a slam dunk.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 16:57pm


Casper,

Besides the Monkees, I can think of Carly Simon. Whether they induct John Prine or not, Carly should've been inducted years ago.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 16:58pm


K-Dawg,

I mean any act that has went #1 on the fan vote was a shoo-in to the Hall. That's just a given and they definitely have pulled away from Stevie, who initially led it when it began.

I'll be honest though: Stevie's fan vote stalling surprised me. Not saying she won't but I would not be surprised if she's snubbed this year now. Weeks ago, I was like "she got it" but now? I don't know...

I think Todd and the Zombies will be in too.

But yeah unpredictably will rule the roost for 2019's list.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 17:03pm


The Belmonts should go in in 2019 as an addendum to Dion, and Wings, The Silver Bullet Band, and the Revolution should go in in the sidemen category (musical excellence).

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 22:30pm


Imagine Todd Rundgren and Brian Eno in the same room!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 22:33pm


@ Roy

Don't forget about the Mothers of Invention, The Spiders From Mars, and Big Brother & The Holding Company.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 23:02pm


I'd rather see Dion And The Belmonts put in as a separate group, and get Dion a second induction.

As far as Casper's question... I don't know if there is such a thing anymore. With both Judas Priest and Radiohead missing out last year, is there any such thing? Still, if there is any such thing, I'd say Pat Benatar, but that of course would depend on the rest of the ballot.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11/9/2018 @ 23:56pm


The Belmonts should go in in 2019 as an addendum to Dion, and Wings, The Silver Bullet Band, and the Revolution should go in in the sidemen category (musical excellence)."

Posted by Roy

Hey Roy...don't forget The WAILERS. (Bob Marley was inducted alone).

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 11/10/2018 @ 00:48am


My guess for inductees:
Nicks
Rundgren
Zombies
Radiohead
Janet Jackson

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 11/10/2018 @ 14:05pm


Enig,

I do agree this is a Critic's poll. There is a handful like Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks that are based on popularity but for the most part Yes. That is so right. Roxy Music has been long overdue for a nomination. I know the albums Siren and Avalon but do NOT own. The simple answer to your question of whether Roxy Music has enough votes to be inducted is NO. They do NOT. They had enormous success in Britain and the rest of Europe nut NOT in America.

Now Todd Rundgren toyed with some Prog. At least as a Performer he did. He is from Philadelphia I believe. I am predicting Todd but Not Roxy Music. Ohhh By the way you have 1. for your Roxy Music point about them long overdue. Is there a Point 2 and 3,etc?

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/11/2018 @ 08:33am


The problem is with voting is that people tend to focus on record sales and popularity instead of influentially. Influentially should be first when it comes to voting. That's why Kraftwerk and (sadly) Radiohead are low on the fan vote. People only know them as "that weird german band the rock hall keeps on putting in" and "that band that has creep." People don't bother looking into their discography or the band's history. Luckily the fan vote dosen't matter.

Posted by Michael on Sunday, 11/11/2018 @ 11:52am


Michael

What influence?

Neither gets the artist votes

When it comes to voting it is respect of the voters that counts.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11/11/2018 @ 12:09pm


Ben,


Now, I will rank the nominees in order from my least favorite to most favorite:

15. Janet Jackson
14. MC5
13. Rage Against The Machine
12. Radiohead
11. John Prine
10. Def Leppard
09. LL Cool J
08. The Cure
07. Rufus with Chaka Khan
06. Devo
05. Kraftwerk
04. Todd Rundgren
03. The Zombies
02. Roxy Music
01. Stevie Nicks

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10.12.18 @ 14:17pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11/11/2018 @ 12:44pm


Michael,

Sales and popularity have played a lot in recent inductions. Which is why the only guaranteed #1 in the fan vote is always considered a shoo-in.

Def Leppard COULD make history as the first one to win the fan vote to LOSE the number of votes to get in but I said that with KISS and look what happened lol

If it came to JUST influence, Def Leppard wouldn't stand a chance.

It may be a critic's poll but this is why I feel Kraftwerk, MC5, Roxy Music and Devo won't get in when the votes are tallied this December (really, only the Cure and the Zombies, two groups considered critic darlings, have a decent chance of being Hall of Fame members).

Populism will still be a citing factor in not only the fan vote but in the Hall itself. So it would even itself out: half populism (possibly Stevie, Janet and Def Leppard) and half critic's darlings (The Cure, the Zombies and, if six, either Rage or Prine).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/11/2018 @ 14:21pm


^ Or Todd Rundgren in the place of either Rage and Prine. I'm really more excited for Todd. I want him in as bad as I want Janet!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/11/2018 @ 14:22pm


IMO, there is multiple other bands that deserve to get in before Def Leppard.

Alice In Chains
Beck
Björk
Cypress Hill
Dead Kennedys
Depeche Mode
Devo
Eurythmics
Joy Division
Kraftwerk
Link Wray
Madness
Misfits
Motörhead
New Order
Nine Inch Nails
No Doubt
Oingo Boingo
Pixies
Primus
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Social Distortion
Soundgarden
The B-52's
The Cramps
The Cure
The Go-Go's
The Monkees
The Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
The Specials
Tool

Posted by Michael on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 02:16am


Todd's now 80k votes from getting #2. Was 82-83k for the longest but Stevie continues to stall on the fan vote. Heck, both Todd and the Zombies could drop her to #4 (okay that may be pushing it a bit). But what an interesting development on the fan vote, huh?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 04:24am


Timothy,

You seem to be doing some extra speculating. I recall you are predicting Def Leppard. So am I. On a very recent post yesterday you seemed shed doubt on Def Leppard. I am by no means a huge fan of Def Leppard. I own their 2 main albums,Pyromania and Hysteria. I prefer Pyromania. I thing they are one of my strongest predictions. I see you predict Todd Rundgren like me. He certainly deserves it. I have Janet Jackson on the fence as a sixth inductee. I was wondering if you could re post your predictions. That would clarify your predictions. I am sure your predictions are somewhere. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 07:10am


Ben,

Sure. I don't like to copy or repeat myself, so here's who I think will be going in (if six):

1.) Def Leppard - it's almost accepted that ANY act that tops the fan vote will get in. I did speculate that sometimes fan votes are not always a key factor and there seems to be some disagreement with some who have made predictions that the boys from Sheffield are not a "Hall of Fame" act. I disagree. I think these guys fit all the credentials. They may not be as innovative as some of the artists on the list but their influence in rock music and popularity will put them over the top. Also they're the only "hard rock" act on the bill. So it's an easy get.

2.) Todd Rundgren - I have a feeling people will be split on whether he should get in as a performer or with a "back door" lifetime achievement induction but bottom line is: he's going in. Not only does he fit the singer-songwriter box, he's also in the classic rock box, he's an innovator, he's influenced a lot of the "outsider" acts like The Tubes and Ariel Pink, one of the first blue eyed soul artists, prog rock, etc. Some people who have issues with Todd as a music artist would argue he didn't have many top 40 hits, and, like another artist on the list (John Prine), most of his songs were covered more successfully by other artists. But there's nothing holding him back from getting in. He'll also likely be bringing Ringo and 'em to another jam session. He'll have the votes!

3.) Janet Jackson - I may be biased BUT I feel this time, nothing is holding Miss Jackson back. She doesn't have the so-called "no brainer rock acts" problem, her induction prediction has gone up due to the #MeToo movement and Leslie Moonves being exposed for trying to get her blackballed after the Super Bowl. Besides from the obvious backing by her brothers and her longtime producer Jimmy Jam, who's a committee member, her votes will be high enough to get her in. What I felt didn't get her in 2015 was due to N.W.A. Her snub in 2016 had to do with the Hall inducting virtually every rock act that critics of the Hall had accused of snubbing and also the presence of 2Pac, who helped to split up the urban vote against her, Chaka Khan and I think another R&B act, probably the Spinners (?). I feel those were the main issues holding her back. So I think she's a solid induction for 2019. They say third time's the charm and I feel it could be for Janet (MJ was also nominated two times before he eventually got inducted in 2001 so...)

4.) The Zombies - before I wasn't too sure if they would have enough votes, but then I thought about it long enough and they really have no barriers anymore. Little Steven and Paul Schaffer have pushed for them for YEARS. And fellow '60s act MC5 won't have enough votes to stop them. They've been nominated a lot of times, they're going in.

5.) Stevie Nicks - her chances to get in have dropped somewhat but not to the point that I don't think she has any barrier. Like Janet, she got the nod due to the reaction of #MeToo. Technically Janet has more credentials than Stevie as a solo (and Janet's the biggest name on the list) BUT Stevie is so beloved that I love to see her get in. I didn't complain when Ringo Starr got inducted as a solo and I won't complain if Stevie gets in either. I still say she's a go. This is probably the one I'm a little skeptical about and not just because of the fan votes, where she's clearly stalled (Todd's catching up to her). Stevie could be the one artist to not make it in from the fan vote but it's speculated she may have enough votes to get in so for now, I still say she's a safe bet. Less safer than Janet, that is.

The sixth induction, if there is one in 2019, could go to any of these four acts:
1.) The Cure
2.) Radiohead
3.) John Prine
4.) Rage Against the Machine

Here's why I feel if six, it'll probably be Robert Smith's chance to go to the podium to get his trophy.

Here's why I think the Cure has a better chance than Radiohead: mainly for their era, The Cure were pretty popular, had critically acclaimed albums and one of the most iconic rock looks ever, especially Robert and guitarist Simon Gallup. Janet was so huge in the '90s that it would split the '90s vote plus Radiohead probably won't even show up to the induction as Thom Yorke himself has said so why induct them if the band won't even bother showing up. The last act who did that was the Sex Pistols. Doubt the Hall wants to go through that embarrassment.

So to confirm, these are the six acts that stand a great chance of joining the 2019 class:
1.) Def Leppard
2.) Todd Rundgren
3.) Janet Jackson
4.) The Zombies
5.) Stevie Nicks
6.) The Cure

The bottom two may have more obstacles than I initially thought but I don't think it'll be enough considering I don't think the other nine acts are a threat to them.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 13:35pm


Philip posted his Five I's today!

LL Cool J is most worthy, Stevie Nicks least worthy. Also I agree with what he said about Def Leppard's music being dated.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 14:25pm


Timothy,

Our thinking and our lists of Inductee predictions are somewhat similar. We agree completely with 4. Those are Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren and the Zombies. You gave great explanations that I agree with. Even though I like Stevie Nicks more style wise, Janet J. has more credentials as a solo act than Stevie. Janet J. is not my kind of style. I agree that Stevie Nicks is still a safe bet.

In fact I have the opinion that Janet J. is a prediction as the sixth induction. I think Stevie Nicks a slightly safer due to the Veteran Rock acts that Vote. I am predicting John Prine. I think there is more of the Voting Body that know and support him than people realize. Case in point Laura Nyro was inducted in 2012.

Now while I am NOT picking The Cure. I do agree that they have a better chance than Radiohead. It is mainly for their era. Which is the 80s. There is a big push for 80s. But alas I think the Cure will be perhaps a near miss due again to the Voting Body as a whole. I always point to the fact that people like Pete Townsend, Eric Clapton and John Mellemcamp are in the Voting Body. But Radiohead have even less chance for lots of Votes.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 17:11pm


Ben,

I still think that this year's inductees (if six) are going to be The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies. All of those acts that I just mentioned are my official predictions for this year's inductees (if six).

I really think that Stevie Nicks will end up just like Sting and she'll be passed over for induction this year as a solo artist just like Sting was back in 2015, because I frankly don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction (she's already in with Fleetwood Mac), so I'm not seeing how she merits a second induction and because of that, I simply don't feel that her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus I just can't see the Hall putting two female solo artists in in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie as well, so I really think that out of the top six acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, The Cure and Janet Jackson), I really think that Stevie will be the one left behind and she'll be left out in the cold this year.

Radiohead has still too much controversy from last year going for them and Roxy Music (despite Brian Eno being highly regarded and well-respected in the music industry) will be hurt by the fact that they were more popular overseas than they were in America and because of that, they probably are too British for the voters at this point, plus as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't guarantee an automatic induction and I'm kind of certain that not a lot of people know that Brian Eno was once a member of Roxy Music as well, Radiohead and Roxy Music will both get in eventually but it won't be this year.

Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan won't get in this year but most of them (except for MC5 who are more likely to get inducted via the Singles category now) will get in eventually as well.

As much as I love John Prine, I just don't think that he deserves a Performer induction, so I just think that the Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being a songwriter/composer, his nomination as a Performer this year does an injustice to other '70s singer-songwriters that have not been nominated yet and were much more well-known, namely Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Carly Simon, and Jim Croce. he's easily the most obscure artist on the ballot this year and with the possible exception of Bad Brains, maybe that the Hall has ever nominated, so I think that he's more likely to get inducted either via the backdoor (either the Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer) or the Musical Excellence category) for his songwriting, rather than get an induction as a Performer or get inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame first (he's just been announced as a 2019 Songwriters Hall of Fame nominee).

So that's why I'm predicting and I really think that The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 18:46pm


Richie,

I'll say one thing about you: you're consistent on this lineup especially with LL in it! LOL

If this list holds by the second week of December, I'll give you a toast! Lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 19:30pm


Ben,

Interesting view on your list. For the most part, yeah, we're in agreement with this list. I honestly think if anyone is to be left out, it could be The Cure, even with six inductees. They could pick someone below them. If not Radiohead, it'll be RATM, I've seen a few who vote for the Hall inductees mention them. Haven't seen a mention of Prine yet.

I wonder if some committee members (versus the inductees) are giving a collective "who?" on Prine. Prine has Todd Rundgren to deal. I can't see them inducting two singer-songwriters... now it may be true that some in the committee know of him but it probably won't be enough.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 19:38pm


Timothy Pernell,

Yes, I am consistent on my official predictions for this year's inductees (if six), Those six acts that I mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) are the ones that I feel very strongly about and that's why I'm sticking with all of them as my official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) until this year's inductees are announced and I really think that those six acts that I mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet, LL, Todd and The Zombies) will be this year's induction class (if six).

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 20:48pm


I've stayed consistent with who I expect to get in, but I do like Richie's thinking for the most part. I just can't understand why the nom com, whereas they screwed the pooch repeatedly this year by omitting a metal act or prog most notably, isn't giving Kraftwerk the "John Prine" treatment here, as they really are the best example of someone on this ballot who opened up a significant genre in electronic music, and really are the godfathers of that genre. If nothing else comes of this, if they only want to induct token acts to appease certain fans (which can be argued literally for almost any of the favored acts to be inducted), the biggest right they can remedy with this "critics ballot" is to put in Kraftwerk and show at least that they recognize the brand of music that is basically the soccer of the music world (unquestionably the most popular everywhere outside of North AMerica).

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 11/12/2018 @ 21:50pm


They only nominate acts like Kraftwerk to prove a point (same with Prine to be honest). These artists are very indelible to music and if life was fair, instead of ANNOUNCING nominees, just announce all fifteen of them as inductees. But this nom com doesn't do that. It's frustrating!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/13/2018 @ 00:16am


I will be disappointed, but not altogether surprised, if John Prine gets in as a performer. He is one of those that comes out of nowhere just to get nominated, seemingly just because one member of this elitist club has a bee in their bonnet. I'm very happy J Geils isn't in the running this year, I hadn't mentioned that yet. I hope, in this instance, I'm wrong. However, we all know this nom com...and the "what the hell" picks are not uncommon

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 11/13/2018 @ 01:19am


John Prine won't be a bad inductee pick.

But J. Geils, you and I are in TOTAL agreement with that. They should NEVER nominate them again!

And yeah you're right the "WTH" picks are not uncommon. Darlene Love, Randy Newman and Percy Sledge are some of those "what were you thinking" picks. Prine by comparison seems to be a more serious artist.

So thank God there aren't no real "WTF" picks this year. THANK GOD.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/13/2018 @ 01:26am


And I don't mean to take away from Darlene but her induction took away any hopes of getting the Crystals in. That's why it's a WTF pick... not because I don't like Darlene (I really dig her) but the truth's the truth lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/13/2018 @ 01:27am


To me, there are two names that would be bad inductee picks and I would be very disappointed if they got in this year, and they are Stevie Nicks and John Prine, I just don't think either of them deserves induction IMO, I really think that their spots should have gone to Pat Benatar/Tina Turner and Willie Nelson/Gram Parsons because they're all much more deserving of induction than Nicks and Prine IMO.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/13/2018 @ 01:44am


K-Dawg was thinking about the 'Kraftwerk Conundrum': Seminal band that started a whole new genre that you (the voter) personally hate.

Is it OK if you think 'Band A', which started a genre sucks, yet a later 'Band B' in that genre is (to you) noticeably better & thus you would vote for them, instead of 'Band A'?

That's what I think Kraftwerk runs into. I'm not sure they will be the 1st in their genre to make the Hall.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 11/13/2018 @ 07:30am


I think Devo will get in before Kraftwerk.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/13/2018 @ 17:40pm


Timothy,

Another WTH pick was possibly Laura Nyro.
Laura Nyro was a singer/songwriter known a lot more for songs she wrote. The 5th Dimension and Three Dog Night had hits with some of her songs. She was inducted despite not being one of the most known names in music

Also there was 2 Singer/Songwriter types in 2014. There was Linda Ronstadt and Cat Stevens. I acknowledge that Linda Ronstadt never wrote any of her songs she is still of that type.

So it is possible to have 2 Singer/songwriters at the same time. This is How my picks of John Prine and Todd Rundgren can happen at the same time. Todd Rundgren is known more as a Producer and a slightly prog act. He experimented with the Prog genre. I have some knowledge of John Prine. I find that more people in the Voting Body know him than people think

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 07:45am


Timothy,

I am by no means a huge Todd Rundgren fan. I know he had later albums that are really far away from the styles of a Typical S/songwriter. Nearly Human and New World Order. I admit I looked him up on Google.
I worked at a few CD music stores. 1988-2002. I recall these Titles in budget Cd Bins. New World Order was an Electonic album.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 08:41am


Ben,

I'm sure most who are voting for him think mostly of his 1970s (and 1980s to a lesser degree) period. By the 1980s, he had purposely gone against the grain of what was expected of him, he still does. But best believe when the nom com nominated him, they thought of the '70s only.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 11:38am


Ben,

I can see how they can easily do that though. If there are like a lot of Prine votes but it depends on how many in the committee are actually vetting for him.

He could be a shoo-in, a dark horse inductee or snubbed. That's how I'm basing my predictions on Prine.

Rundgren and Prine do stand out in another way: Rundgren is like ten times more famous than him. Again, that "populist" factor. We'll have to see. But you made a good point that they both could get in. But we'll see where the Hall goes next month.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 11:41am


Ben,

Laura was an Ahmet Ertegun type of inductee, not a Performer type, I agree. I never have gotten her induction to this day and that's no offense to Laura because she was great, but her greatness was as a songwriter. She HATED to perform, I think lol

I don't consider Linda Ronstadt a singer-songwriter type. Like Todd Rundgren and John Prine, she was all over the place and she also sung many country and hard rock songs. I think Linda got in so no one would complain that no woman was inducted in 2014's list because all of the 2013 fan vote top five were men. I forgot where Linda was but it wasn't even top ten, I don't think.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 11:45am


I always have seen the Laura Nyro induction as a bit of a sham. Her closest comparison, though not by career heights, is Carole King. If the Hall could not find King worthy of a performer induction then why have Nyro find a spot so easily? Add to that the fact she was the least qualified act of her year and it makes you wonder how she was enshrined. Nyro was a wonderful writer, and had a beautiful earthy sound to her voice. Still, she is not worthy of induction. Even as a songwriter she is not a solid pick. She is a part of the story of modern music, but a Hall of Fame should seperate the legends and icons from the rest of the crowd.

As a side note, I am a massive Laura Nyro fan. I think her work was some of the most forward thinking and brilliant of it's time. I own multiple copies of nearly everything she has released. I personally think she was among the most gifted singers I have had the luck of hearing. "Eli's Coming" is one of my favorite tracks ever. If I was being completely subjective she would be a top pick for the Hall for me. Still I can't actually say she deserved it.

Ronstadt on the other hand did. Without question, and if I remember correctly it was her Parkinsons diagnosis that ushered her in. A shame considering Ronstadt deserved induction years before she actually got in. When it comes to female acts the Hall gets it all wrong usually. I mean we still have to discuss Janet Jackson at nomination time. She is a top tier act. We should be discussing women of the next tier by now.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 13:28pm


Chris

Go check out every songwriter induction. They are all corporate stable writers. They may be listed as performers but look at what hsppened to their songs. It makes sense why they got the votes. Go ask the nom com why they did whaat they did.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 13:51pm


Chris F.,

Yeah I did notice they only gave her the induction because of her illness. Why wait until she gets sick to get her one? Doesn't make any sense.

Laura should've gotten in with the Ahmet Ertegun Award, not as a Performer.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 15:15pm


John Prine is not thinking of the Hall of Fame, it looks.
https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/8484870/john-prine-talks-hall-of-fame-nominations

Says the Zombies should go BEFORE him... seems like a true humble cat...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 18:15pm


@ Tim

Welp, now we know who won’t make it through the ballot other than Chaka Khan. Can’t blame him for wanting the Zombies in though.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 18:22pm


@Dude,

Yeah he went from a "maybe" to a "yeah not this year".

I can't blame him for wanting the Zombies in either.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 19:24pm


Dude and Timothy,

If the Hall only inducted by an artists intentions, or if a nominee could withdraw from a race like a politician...

They don't. They can't. In fact that kind of humility Prine has always shown is what is going to endear him to his artistic peers. It is why he is nominated. He has never been a showman, or a grandiose personality. People like that. Neither of you had him as a prediction though right? My guess is that side of him is going to help him immensely.

The Zombies, though I predict them, do not deserve the induction. I can not see a year within the next 20 they should be ushered in. They will go in most likely, despite not holding a candle to the other 98% of inducted acts.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 11/14/2018 @ 20:48pm


The Zombies have a few things going for them. They were a talented band. They had a couple hit songs. They have one of the most famous quoted lines ever from "Time of the Season" (Who's Your Daddy). Unfortunately for them, they are just a band who tailed the Brit Invasion and for some reason are a pet project for one or more of the Nom Com members. Herman's Hermits and the Monkees are 2 of the few remaining late 60s acts who need a long hard look ahead of the Zombies; alas, Chris and many others are right, the Zombies will get in on merit that is not quite deserved

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 02:55am


Chris,

Maybe. But then again, you had people saying the Hall was sh*tty and still got in (though they only say it later; Pistols, Dire Straits, etc.).

I don't think the Hall pays attention to people's interviews, but saying the Zombies deserve it over him may push the Zombies further than Prine though his humility is a key factor on whether he gets in or not.

Had it been a different year and he had said another artist, like Stevie Nicks, maybe he get in. I'm still not predicting him as a shoo-in because of the Rundgren factor.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 03:27am


Timothy,

I do feel John Prine will be inducted. For one thing there is a whole bunch of singer/ Songwriters who are voters that would vote for him. Also Bruce Springsteen,although not a folk style singer/songwriter by any means does like John Prine and I think he worked with him a little. There is someone else who would vote for Prine too. Like I said if L Nyro can inducted so can John Prine. I wouldn't say he is a shoo in but I do pick him as a prediction.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 06:11am


In October, 2012 the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee had sought to correct previous oversights and had finally nominated Rush to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame after nearly 14 years of eligibility. Then everything had been getting better with the long overdue inductions of Yes in 2017 and The Moody Blues In 2018- finally the “holy trinity” of prog had been inducted. Then October, 2018 came along and the “prog” community who had expected Jethro Tull, Procol Harum and Duran Duran to receive a nomination had been severely disappointed. Instead of any of those aforementioned bands, we had been left Roxy Music, Kraftwerk, The Zombies and Todd Rundgren to represent “progdom.” To say the least most of us had been extremely disappointed. The good rapport that the Rock Hall had generated had nearly been erased in one stultifying move. If we include Radiohead, which I am quite reluctant to do, then we have five less than satisfactory representatives of our favorite genre. Even so, I do believe that these 5 artists merit induction.

Last year, Sue and I had encouraged you to vote for The Moody Blues, The co-fathers of our magnificent genre. Now, I am encouraging my fellow prog aficionados to vote for Roxy Music, Kraftwerk, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies and possibly Radiohead, until the deadline on December 09, 2018.

Granted, it’s not an ideal situation, but by continuing to vote for “prog” artists, you are helping to ensure that many of our favorites (King Crimson, ELP and the aforementioned artists) will eventually be inducted.

Thank you.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 09:57am


The Rock Hall roundtable hears Questlove is trying to get Don Cornelius into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They better. Dick Clark was inducted 29 years earlier (1990).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 11:37am


@Ben,

I mean I'm not saying he won't. Still a good possibility he could be at least a sixth inductee. I don't know why they haven't nominated his friend Bonnie Raitt yet?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 11:39am


Timothy,

Bonnie Raitt was inducted in 2000. The Ceremony was over 18 Years ago. I missed tbe telecast for that. The Class of 2000 was Eric Clapton, Earth, Wind & Fire, Lovin Spoonful, Moonglows, BONNIE RAITT and JAMES Taylor. It was 6 inductees. The reason I told You all inductees for 2000 ia to show you what I remember. I DID NOT watch it.

The earliest Ceremonies I watched are 1999 and 2002. I missed the 2000 one for a reason I wont remember. But I have a lot of the Classes memorized. I just want to be helpful.She has a song or 2 by John Prine.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 11:56am


https://www.canadaswalkoffame.com/induction-year/2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUlZULdqPig

CANADA'S WALK OF FAME 2018 INDUCTEES

Leonard Cohen
Andy Kim
Andrea Martin
Jessie Reyez
Seth Rogen & Evan Goldberg
Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir
Colonel Chris Hadfield
Dr. Joanne Liu
Jimmy Pattison

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 12:46pm


Here are my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six):

1. The Cure (it's past time for an 80's alternative band to get in and they just celebrated their 40th anniversary this year, so I really think that if they get in this year, they would break the 80's alternative logjam for sure, and I really think that it's going to happen this year)

2. Def Leppard (this year's fan vote winner and they are the only populist Classic Rock act that's on the ballot this year so they are a shoo-in for induction this year)

3. Janet Jackson (she will be the token female representative this year plus she's had a big comeback year this year with many awards including the Billboard Icon Award at the Billboard Music Awards, the Impact Award at the Radio Disney Music Awards, the Rock Star Award at the Black Girls Rock event, being named a BMI Icon at the BMI R&B/Hip-Hop Awards and more recently, being named a Global Icon at the MTV Europe Music Awards and a big tour as well, so I just think that it's her time this year)

4. LL Cool J (his recent Kennedy Center Honor plus the ceremony's back in NYC (his hometown) this year and he's also the only Rap/Hip-Hop act on the ballot this year for the second year in a row, so I really think that it's finally his year for induction this year)

5. Todd Rundgren (well-known singer-songwriter and record producer who is highly well-respected by his peers and he will go in right away just like Steve Miller, Jeff Lynne and Mark Knopfler)

6. The Zombies (it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year and they are truly one of the last '60s acts that needs to go in, so I really think that it's finally their year this year)

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

1. Radiohead (in all reality, they should be a shoo-in, but they still have too much controversy from last year going for them and the Hall certainly doesn't want a repeat of last year's Dire Straits situation, so I think that their lack of enthusiasm and continued apathy towards the Hall will keep them out once again this year, Still, I think they're a Wild Card/Dark Horse this year in spite of everything)

2. Roxy Music (Brian Eno and Bryan Ferry are both highly well-respected in the music industry but the problem that I have with Roxy Music is because that they were popular overseas than they were in America, and because of that, they'll be hurt by it and they are probably too British for the voters at this point, plus as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't guarantee an automatic induction and I'm kind of certain that not a lot of people know that Brian Eno was once a member of Roxy Music as well, they'll get in eventually but I think that it will take them a couple of nominations before they get an induction, Still, like Radiohead, I think that they're a Wild Card/Dark Horse this year as well)

As for the rest:

Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan won't get in this year but most of them (except for MC5 who are more likely to get inducted via the Singles category now) will get in at some point.

I really hope that everyone is wrong about Stevie Nicks getting inducted this year, I really hope that she gets passed over because I frankly don't feel her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus she's already in with Fleetwood Mac so I'm not seeing how she merits a second induction and because of that, I simply don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction, plus I just can't see the Hall putting two female solo artists in in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become 2-time inductees more so than Stevie as well, so I really hope that she doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone.

As for John Prine, I just don't think that he deserves a Performer induction, so I think that the Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being a songwriter/composer, his nomination as a Performer this year does an injustice to other '70s singer-songwriters that have not been nominated yet and were much more well-known, namely Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Carly Simon and Jim Croce. so he's easily the most obscure artist on the ballot this year and with the possible exception of Bad Brains, maybe that the Hall has ever nominated, plus, he just said in a interview with Billboard yesterday that he thinks that The Zombies should go in before him and I agree with him absolutely on it, so I really think that he's more likely to get inducted via either the backdoor (either the Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer) or the Musicial Excellence category) for his songwriting, rather than get an induction as a Performer or get inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame first (he's just been announced as a 2019 Songwriters Hall of Fame nominee).

So those six acts that I'm picking as my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) are the ones that I feel very strongly about and that's why I'm consistent on all of them as my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) and because of that, I'm sticking with all of them as my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) until this year's inductees are announced and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) will be this year's induction class (if six).

Those are my thoughts.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 13:25pm


roy

What about some long over due Csnadians?

Paul Anka
Gordon Lightfoot
The Guess Who
BTO

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 13:28pm


THEY ARE ALL IN ALREADY!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 13:57pm


IF THEY INDUCT 7: THIS IS WHO I HOPE GOT THE TOP VOTES

Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Def Leppard
Roxy Music
The Zombies
Todd Rundgren
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 14:03pm


Roy

I am talking about the r&R hall of fame or should I say shame.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 14:09pm


They nominated just fifteen this year so it's a good chance they'll induct six people this year.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 14:36pm


Roy,

If things were fair, this will definitely be the list. :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 14:37pm


richie,

I do agree with 3 of Your predictions. Def Leppard, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies. Todd Rundgren is Well respected by his peers. He is successful as both a performer and a Producer. I agree he will go in right away just like Jeff Lynne, Steve Miller and Marc Knopfler.

I still think Stevie Nicks is heading for the Hall. She has lots of support out there regardless of the Solo Albums. She is a known Classic Rock name. I also am still predicting John Prine. There is more to him than meets the eye. I do see Janet Jackson as a possibility. There is the possibility of 2 Females at this time.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 15:51pm


Ben,

I disagree with you about Stevie Nicks and John Prine, I just think that their nominations this year were wasted ones and both Stevie and John are the two most undeserving acts on the ballot this year, I just think that both Stevie and John would be bad inductee picks and I would be very disappointed if either of them got in this year, I really think that their nominations this year should have went to Pat Benatar/Tina Turner and Willie Nelson/Gram Parsons because they're all much more deserving of induction than Nicks and Prine IMO, and as I've said it before, I just can't see the Hall inducting two female solo artists in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie, so that's why my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies. Those are the acts that I feel very strongly about this year and that's why I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 16:47pm


It still baffles me that in 2018, with the 1990s becoming available that we are stuck with 3 female nominees on this ballot. That the concept of having 2 inducted would make this year stand out among others. The idolatry of the 60s guy groups and the 70s rock band are far behind the Hall. Yet these ballots still act like a 1950s tour showing of their girl singer. Looking at articles words like "token" pops up far to many times when discussing the 3 females on the ballot. A shame since the 3 women on this ballot actually outshine many already inducted acts. I guess that may be the silver lining. The 3 women chosen to represent their styles are all beyond worthy.

Rock'N'Roll starts off at a point with women already at the forefront. Julia Lee was an essential early influence, giving way to Ruth Brown who built Atlantic records as a true Rock star. Too often I have seen The Zombies being singled out as the last remaining act of the 1960s worthy of induction. Not only does that do disservice to the decade of music, it showcases a lack of understanding of what great acts are still to be picked from that decade. The Zombies set a bar and with that bar so low an argument can be made for countless artists who far outshined them. Lesley Gore for example. The Marvelettes stick out like a sore thumb, as do other deserving Girl Group era acts. That sound was created as a offense against the British Invasion. For years the Beatles major competition on the charts were The Supremes. The Shangri-La's, The Chiffons, The Crystals (not just the Darlene Love records who was never a Crystal) and on and on. For every tragic male act included because of an life cut to short there are a list of women not even nominated yet. Tammi Terrell for example. Then there is Mary Wells and Esther Phillips. Artists that should have been inducted within the first 10 years.

And now with the 70s through the early 90s available, instead of inducting the unstoppable names like Janet Jackson we have seen Laura Nyro, instead of Pat Benatar we have Joan Jett. It is all just a little too much when you look at the scope of it, and when you see new acts coming down the pipeline who are going to be dismissed in the same idiotic ways.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 17:42pm


As much of a stink the Hall itself made about how women have been sadly undervalued in the Hall and one of them wanting Janet Jackson in, it'll be pathetic if by next month, they find a way to screw up still. But I feel they may finally make an exception and induct at least two women for 2019's class. "May" being the keyword lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 19:07pm


Hmm. I have a theory that it is basically IMPOSSIBLE now for R&B/Hip Hop artists to get inducted unless it's their first ballot.

Basically, if the Hall's voters don't think you are a no-brainer for induction, it just won't happen for you. Ever. If there's enough rockists on the voting rolls to dismiss Chaka Khan out of hand years ago, then what will have changed since? Nothing, I tell you.

Nina Simone – 1st ballot
2Pac – 1st ballot

N.W.A. – 3rd ballot (Here is the exception. It happened right AFTER the movie.)

Bill Withers – 1st ballot
Albert King – 1st ballot (kind of fits for R&B)
Donna Summer – 5th ballot (after cancer death)

Darlene Love is pop. Just in case an argument ensues.

Jimmy Cliff – 1st ballot (kind of fits for R&B)
Bobby Womack – 1st ballot
Little Anthony & The Imperials – 1st ballot
Run DMC – 1st ballot

So, ignoring the Grandmaster Flash induction which literally broke down a wall, you have to go back to the O’Jays taking two ballots to get in while Buddy Guy and Percy Sledge were first ballot inductees that year.

So, only two acts (aided by deaths and a movie) have really been VOTED in from the Hip Hop/R&B-sphere in the last ten or so years when it was not their FIRST ballot appearance. If none of Chaka/LL/Janet get in this year, my theory will continue to hold.


Nina Simone – 1st ballot
2Pac – 1st ballot

N.W.A. – 3rd ballot (Here is the exception. It happened right AFTER the movie.)

Bill Withers – 1st ballot
Albert King – 1st ballot (kind of fits for R&B)
Donna Summer – 5th ballot (after cancer death)

Beastie Boys - 2nd ballot (But their first appearance was only a year after the game changing Grandmaster Flash induction. Plus they are white and not strictly Hip Hop.)

Darlene Love is pop. Just in case an argument ensues.

Jimmy Cliff – 1st ballot (kind of fits for R&B)
Bobby Womack – 1st ballot
Little Anthony & The Imperials – 1st ballot
Run DMC – 1st ballot

So, ignoring the Grandmaster Flash induction which literally broke down a wall, you have to go back to the O’Jays taking two ballots to get in while Buddy Guy and Percy Sledge were first ballot inductees that year.

So, only two acts (aided by deaths and a movie) have really been VOTED in from the black Hip Hop/R&B-sphere in the last ten or so years when it was not their FIRST ballot appearance. If none of Chaka/LL/Janet get in this year, my theory will continue to hold.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 19:23pm


^ Forgot Public Enemy. Also first ballot.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 19:25pm


@Casper,

N.W.A. got in after three tries. It's the third time for Janet...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 19:29pm


AND she's coming off a headline-making year with new music, just finished her tour, earning a lot of industry awards, etc. That's the one big advantage over all fourteen other acts.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 19:31pm


As I said, NWA was aided by an Oscar nominated, blockbuster film that was released just prior to them being voted in. That sort of thing goes beyond "she released a new album and has a big tour!" to the general voter.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 19:36pm


Casper,

That is a sad analysis, but one that showcases a bias behind the scenes. I still think R&B oriented acts can make it pass a first ballot threshold. Hopefully Khan or Jackson proves that this year. A hidden level in your post showing who made it in by nomination is also apparent. LL Cool J for example should be long since inducted. The lack of Outkast this round of nominations may prove an even worse crime. Few in Rap are able to cross that barrier it seems. Unless they are considered the creator of the sound, such as Grandmaster Flash (he was not), or something Rolling Stone gives a high score too (Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Run DMC). Despite that being among the most pervasive and influential genres of the music.If The Zombies go in this year that only adds further fuel to that fire. That hurts everyone, from the most deserving of Hip Hop acts to the Indie darlings who did more to shape the overall sound of the genre than most of the 60s bands that have gone in the last decade.

And Love is certainly known for her Pop hits, but she was an R&B acts. None of that truly matters though, Love should have been a Sidemen inductee. Never a performer. The woman is a master musician who had a talent for being in the studio. Not up to par when it comes to out of studio careers.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 21:37pm


Casper,

That might be the case, but who else on this list had as much attention though? Only reason Janet lost in 2016 WAS due to N.W.A.'s film. That can't be denied.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/15/2018 @ 22:51pm


In October, 2012 the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee had sought to correct previous oversights and had finally nominated Rush to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame after nearly 14 years of eligibility. Then everything had been getting better with the long overdue inductions of Yes in 2017 and The Moody Blues In 2018- finally the “holy trinity” of prog had been inducted. Then October, 2018 came along and the “prog” community who had expected Jethro Tull, Procol Harum and Duran Duran to receive a nomination had been severely disappointed. Instead of any of those aforementioned bands, we had been left with Roxy Music, Kraftwerk, The Zombies and Todd Rundgren to represent “progdom.” To say the least most of us have been extremely disappointed. The good rapport that the Rock Hall had generated over the past several years had nearly evaporated in one stultifying move. If we include Radiohead, which I am quite reluctant to do, then we have five less than superlative representatives of our favorite genre. Even so, I do believe that these 5 artists merit induction.

Last year, Sue and I had encouraged you to vote for The Moody Blues, The co-fathers of our magnificent genre. You did and as a result, The Moody Blues have finally been immortalized for future generations. Now, I am encouraging my fellow prog aficionados to vote for Roxy Music, Kraftwerk, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies and possibly Radiohead, until the deadline on December 09, 2018.

Granted, it’s not an ideal situation, but by continuing to vote for “prog” artists, you are helping to ensure that many of our favorites (King Crimson, ELP and the aforementioned artists) will eventually be inducted.

Thank you.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 01:40am


The R&B groups and other Soul acts are not getting inducted because of 4 reasons. 1. Many of the HOF acts in that genre are dying out. They lose critical votes for Induction. 2. Some of those that are inducted in R&B are singular artists or singers when these Classic rock acts have 6 or 7 HOF members. That's an advantage to the Classic Rock Nominees. Just look at the number of Bon Jovi, Deep Purple, Fleetwood Mac,or Van Halen inducted compared to a Bill Withers or a Darlene Love. Voting time, that gives plenty of advantage to Classic Rock Acts. 3. Getting on the ballot itself. Obviously, a good R&B group can't get inducted if they are not on the ballot. The RRHOF might have to have more 2x nominee types on the ballot. Tina Turner (Solo) or bring back Ben E. King. The late Ben E. King was a FAV and popular singer of many. Maybe, putting a popular figure like a Lionel Richie or a Diana Ross on the ballot might break the ice. The Spinners were gaining traction a few cycles ago with good support and then haven't been selected again 4. The Elimination Theory. 2 or 3 R&B acts of similar success and talent eliminate each other on the ballot. Voters sprinkle their votes over several R&B artists where they can't get 1 to break through. I think this is happening with Chaka Khan. This time she's up against Janet and LL Cool J. These are some popular and successful stars. There's some that probably vote for all 3 but probably some pick Janet and some other artists. It's a vicious cycle for R&B. Not enough voters voting for the R&B artists since many HOF R&B groups have died or are a singular vote. That's difficult going up voters with 6 or 7 in these Classic Rock groups. As you have noticed, more Classic Rock groups are being inducted. Cheap Trick, The Cars, Steve Miller, KISS, etc. I'm curious if Lionel Richie or Tina Turner showed up on the ballot what would happen. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 01:52am


KING,

Some deep food for thought. The sad thing is, there is this contingent of RRHOF "fan" that seems to think it all begins and ends with just rock. They have been sated the last couple years, but even then I heard a sizable margin of opinionated knuckleheads complaining that Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Tharp didn't belong. This of course is utter nonsense and the pinnacle of ignorance, but I can't help but wonder if there should be a revamp of the Nom Com and input from the rock and roll community at large to possibly split the genres so that maybe there's an actual system to nominating genres, etc., instead of just assuming that there's a token act for each genre, gender, race, whatever. There really isn't a good way to fix everything, but what we have now has worked for this decade in the right direction for a large part; this ballot, depending on who gets selected, is either salvaged or sets it back possibly 20 years.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 02:58am


Enig, who is 'Sue'? Not picking up on that name.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 06:59am


@K-Dawg,

Right. Which is why I'm puzzled as to why some think Chaka has a better chance at induction here than literally the biggest name associated with R&B music in this list - Janet Jackson. That's at a disadvantage to a legacy R&B act like Rufus and Chaka Khan. And besides from the Chicago band and surviving R&B legends (in groups or otherwise) probably don't think of Chaka TOO highly compared to Janet.

The one huge advantage someone like Janet has is that there are not a lot of classic rock acts this year. Like besides Todd Rundgren, Stevie Nicks and the Zombies, she could easily fit a fourth, fifth or, as Ben mentioned, a sixth spot. Another huge advantage for Janet is there isn't some rap act that is "way too important right now" like N.W.A., who finally got in because of a high profile film (after two other tries), and 2Pac who is one of those "eff you if you don't like rap, THIS GUY is going in". Pac definitely played a part in the R&B/urban vote (because Pac himself flirted with R&B music within the context of rap, i.e., Brenda's Got a Baby, I Get Around, Dear Mama, I Ain't Mad at Cha, California Love, How Do You Want It, So Many Tears and Keep Your Head Up, etc.)

LL Cool J may have a few rock legends who may dig him for "Mama Said Knock You Out" but LL's influence as a rapper would end around that time, whereas someone like Janet kept influencing modern R&B music until the present day. LL would be another populist act considering for years he was the best-selling solo rapper of all time (a title that has since been claimed by 2Pac and Eminem).

What is at his disadvantage is there are not that many rap acts in yet. And the only ones I can really see voting for him in that field is the surviving members of Run-DMC (mainly because of the Queens connection), the Beastie Boys and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. Of N.W.A., maybe Dr. Dre? And probably just Flavor Flav and Chuck D of Public Enemy (Chuck D - who worked with Janet on the socially conscious "New Agenda" song on the "janet." album; Dre, Run, DMC, Flav, Ice Cube, etc., would likely vote more for Janet than LL).

Of course I think the one group of voters who would likely not like a lot of people on this list would boycott voting, period. That leaves a big opening for someone like Janet as well. She could've been the #7 pick in the 2016 and 2017 ballots. Was she? We don't know because the Hall can be very secretive with how many votes one gets. It's not like political votes are tallied and then published on the New York Times as soon as the election is called for someone else.

I also don't recall many showing who lost out on other Halls of Fame like the Songwriters Hall of Fame or sports hall of fame awards. So we never get an idea on how popular one got to be THIS CLOSE to get in.

It would be helpful! Then we'll know if the reason why some R&B acts get passed is either just bias or the fact that there were some votes for that person, just NOT ENOUGH though. That can happen too. I don't think surviving family members of inductees can vote or not either and if they can, some don't have the Hall of Fame in mind (I'm just assuming this, but I don't think they can?)

Either way, I'm with K-Dawg that this list heads in the RIGHT direction. We'll just have to wait to see who eventually wins out and who gets left behind.

That said, we're having a great discussion. :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 08:09am


@King,

If Tina gets in a ballot in the future as a solo, SHE'S GETTING IN. She has the best of both worlds: rock and R&B. Nothing is blocking her. And it would make sense since she's one of the artists who emerged from a duo/group to become one of the biggest solo artists of all time. She'd be a shoo-in.

Lionel? I SERIOUSLY doubt it lol (I also doubt it with someone like Phil Collins)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 08:15am


PaulinKY,

Sue is an ardent Moody Blues fan. Please check The Moody Blues’ page circa October, 2017.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 09:48am


Thank you, Enig, for the clarification. See her comments now!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 11:13am


King does make some valid points. Although I think it is also important to point out that older R&B acts in the Hall act just like those inducted "Classic" Rock bands do. They tend to not vote for the new voices. It is why this Hall is having a hell of a time bringing in acts debuting later. If Shirley Alston (Owens?) of The Shirelles turned in a ballot is she more likely to pick Janet Jackson or someone like The Zombie? One hailing from the same era, the other part of the same genre.

What is odd is as one era ages out, the next one does the exact same thing, never really kicking the ball far enough down the court to get anywhere.

As for the discussion on LL Cool J. He is not being given enough credit for what he established in Rap. He is the main reason you saw a move from group based Rap (Run DMC, The Beastie Boys, Public Enemy) into the world of the solo Rap star. Because every Rapper wanted that spotlight. On top of that his early records helped to push the genre further into the mainstream arena, and then he managed to remain relevant in a style that usually sees artists come and go as fast as Pop music. He did that by adapting to each new sound, and excelling at it. Sometimes I think that move into acting hurt his music career. People outside of the Hip Hop community have not really given him the applause he deserves.

Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 13:30pm


Chris, I saw LL Cool J at Lolla & it was one of the most enjoyable sets I saw that weekend. The man has star power.

He would be one of my inductees, if I was able to cast a ballot.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 13:38pm


Crossover votes for the R&B/Hip Hop artists could be real important. As in, votes from the voters that AREN'T pre-determined to vote for R&B/Hip Hop candidates.

Like you can totally see Bono voting for Nina Simone, but Chaka and Janet? Probably not.

So, having three acts on the ballot (LL Cool J, Janet and Chaka) might not necessarily harm ANY of their candidacies because the voters that are VERY down with voting for them will have no problem voting for two or all three. Unfortunately, that sub-group of the voter rolls just isn't enough to get somebody inducted without some crossover support from people voting mostly for guitar-based rock acts, etc. And I just don't think that support actually exists for these nominees, but I would like to be proven wrong.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 14:18pm


Either y'all are predicting that or y'all just want some RACIAL HELLFIRE next month. LMAO. XD

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 21:28pm


Interesting predictions here:
https://celluloidandrecordsrepository.squarespace.com/blog/2018/11/16/2019-rock-amp-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-analysis-and-predictions

In this prediction, Roxy Music is in place of Todd Rundgren. But everyone else (Janet, Stevie, Def Leppard and the Zombies) is like a lot of predictions from other Rock Hall prediction blogs.

LL, Prine and The Cure could be the "sixth" inductee and LL is the first one he mentions though he says "don't count out Prine" and he feels The Cure has a better chance than predicted.

Apparently Chaka Khan has a touring date on March 29th so we already can scratch her and Rufus' name out of the list.

RATM won't be inducted until 2020 according to this prediction.

As for the others (including Rufus & Chaka Khan), they'll have to wait.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 21:43pm


I still think that this year's inductees (if six) are going to be:

1. The Cure
2. Def Leppard
3. Janet Jackson
4. LL Cool J
5. Todd Rundgren
6. The Zombies

All six of those acts that I just mentioned are my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six).

As much as I love Stevie Nicks, I think most of the voters are very aware of her already being an inductee with Fleetwood Mac and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career. And the writers that vote? I just can't see many of them falling for this. They know her solo discography doesn't merit this award and like Sting, the solo career won't pass the smell test.

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 22:48pm


Richie, the Hall is about how many names they can pack in the Hall. They're gonna be airing this at the Barclays Center. What better than to put Janet, Stevie and LL all in one sitting? Besides Janet and Stevie, I don't see no other act pulling in this weight. Not even Def Leppard.

That'll be really the only reason the Hall would want Stevie in. I mean I agree with you that a much more deserving female artist like Tina Turner should get a second induction as a soloist but I don't see it as a huge problem if Stevie gets the second go-around.

I keep going back on LL... I just noticed something too. Look at the places where all these artists were brought up:

Def Leppard - Sheffield, England
The Zombies - St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England
The Cure - Crawley, West Sussex, England
Rage Against the Machine - Los Angeles, California
MC5 - Detroit, Michigan
Stevie Nicks - Phoenix, Arizona
Janet Jackson - Gary, Indiana
Devo - Akron, Ohio
Todd Rundgren - Upper Darby, Pennsylvania
John Prine - Maywood, Illinois
Rufus and Chaka Khan - Chicago, Illinois
Kraftwerk - Düsseldorf, Germany
Roxy Music - Newcastle upon Tyne/London, England
Radiohead - Abingdon, Oxfordshire, England
LL Cool J - Hollis, Queens, New York City, New York

So LL is the only artist on this list from the state where the Hall of Fame will take place next March: NEW YORK.

I mean not saying it hasn't happened but it would be quite ODD, as you pointed out Rich, if a (in the words of disco group Odyssey) "native New Yorker" doesn't get in the Hall!

Virtually every band nominated this year is foreign except for MC5 (dead last in the fan vote, dead last overall), Rufus and Chaka Khan (also no chance this year), Devo (who don't have a chance this year but may get one next year) and Rage Against the Machine (2020 will be their year).

And except for Kraftwerk, every other foreign band is from ENGLAND.

Rock Hall is American centric for the most part. So to break down:

Six foreign bands
Four U.S. bands
Five solo artists (all American)

Technically the Americans outnumbered the foreigners 9 to 6 but you get what I mean...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/16/2018 @ 23:44pm


Timothy Pernell,

I know, but in Stevie's case, you'd need to have Fleetwood Mac with her for the entire gig and she has had a much bigger career with Fleetwood Mac than she has had as a solo artist, plus she doesn't perform any of her solo material on Fleetwood Mac's current An Evening with Fleetwood Mac tour, so I really think that she'll end up just like Sting, she'll be passed over for induction this year as a solo artist just like Sting was back in 2015, so that's why those six acts that I'm picking as my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) are the ones that I feel very strongly about and that's why I'm consistent on all of them as my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) and because of that, I'm sticking with all of them as my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) until this year's inductees are announced and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 00:31am


Timothy,

You got some good and interesting posts.I do agree with you on your points generally speaking. It's as you say. It's about how many names they can pack in the hall. Janet J. and Stevie Nicks can both pull in this weight. There is Def Leppard to a degree. Guys like Steve Tyler and Jon Bon Jovi would like them there. Those seem like 2 guys that will attend. Stevie Nicks can get the Votes. So many Voters too many to name will no doubt check her off.

I do agree that a much more deserving female artist is Tina Turner. I predicted Tina T the last couple years. I failed both times. This is ironic since I am a big Fleetwood Mac fan. However, I do see Stevie getting inducted without a problem.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 05:21am


The fan poll ends Dec 9. Will they make the announcement later that week? Tuesdays & Thursdays seem to be when they make them.

I’m really hoping for six inductees.

Posted by Mike on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 09:25am


If I’m not mistaken, the Hall annually reveal their classes a week before Christmas.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 10:30am


Mike,

The fan poll ends on Sunday, December 9 and the ballots are all due back the following day on Monday, December 10, so I really expect the announcement of this year's inductees to come around a week later on Tuesday, December 18.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 10:31am


Ben,

Right, I mean Def Leppard ain't no slouch either but Janet, Stevie and LL are more than enough. Put DL and Todd in, you got a full house and we're not even mentioning the Zombies. Very eclectic mix of people filling up that arena to see their favorite act inducted and argue over who can scream the loudest. Everyone in the nom com and everyone else in the committee is probably shooting for that regardless of their bias towards the artist they want...or don't want.

You know LL will do his usual "say yeah, now scream" boost he always does, Janet will be like "let me hear ya scream!" Stevie can simply do her spins and open her mouth, Def Leppard can make the ladies go crazy, Todd can get the crowd to sing "Love Is the Answer" or "Just One Victory"... that's what you call a rock concert!

As for the Rock Hall announcement, it's speculated the induction announcements could come as soon after the fan vote ends. It's supposed to end Sunday morning, December 9th. I think last time, the inductions were announced on the 15th of December.

The Hall would likely do it on the 13th this year (no guarantees) but the 13th is still close to Christmas (just 12 days away).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 10:39am


Edit:

They announced the inductees last year on the 13th (a Wednesday), so this year, it might be on the 14th, but yeah it's a few days after the fan vote (three or four).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 10:41am


Timothy Pernell,

The fan poll ends at 11.59 EST on Sunday, December 9 and the ballots are all due back the following day on Monday, December 10, so I really expect this year's inductees to be announced probably a week later on Tuesday, December 18.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 11:02am


Let's rate them on a four point scale based on induction worthiness. Clearly Deserving, Borderline: Deserving, Borderline: Not Deserving and Not Deserving.


Clearly Deserving - The Cure, Devo, Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, MC5, Radiohead, Roxy Music, Todd Rundgren, Zombies

Borderline: Deserving - LL Cool J, Rage Against The Machine

Borderline: Not Deserving - Rufus featuring Chaka Khan, Def Leppard, John Prine

Not Deserving - Stevie Nicks



I'd say the third category is the "I don't really think they should be in, but it wouldn't annoy me if they were inducted" roster.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 16:29pm


Anyone else see the new verification for the daily fan vote? They're getting pretty ridiculous and annoying to count 5 individual votes..."select the images with cars"

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 17:05pm


In October, 2012 the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee had sought to correct previous oversights and had finally nominated Rush to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame after nearly 14 years of eligibility. As we are most certainly aware, once Rush had been nominated then they had been inducted immediately afterwards. Then everything had been getting better with the long overdue inductions of Yes in 2017 and The Moody Blues In 2018- finally the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) had been inducted.

Then October, 2018 came along and the “prog” community who had expected Jethro Tull, Procol Harum and Duran Duran to receive a nomination had been severely disappointed. Instead of any of those aforementioned bands, we had been left with a critic’s ballot, which had eschewed our favorites in favor of: Roxy Music, Kraftwerk, The Zombies and Todd Rundgren to represent “progdom.” To say the least most of us have been extremely disappointed. The good rapport that the Rock Hall had generated over the past several years had nearly evaporated in one stultifying move. If we include Radiohead, which I am quite reluctant to do, then we have five less than superlative representatives of our favorite genre. Even so, I do believe that these 5 artists definitely merit induction.

Last year, Sue and I had encouraged you to vote for The Moody Blues, The co-fathers of our magnificent genre. You did and as a result, The Moody Blues have finally been immortalized for future generations. Now, I am encouraging my fellow prog aficionados to vote for Roxy Music, Kraftwerk, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies and possibly Radiohead, once per day, until the deadline on December 09, 2018.

Granted, it’s not an ideal situation, but by continuing to vote for “prog” artists, you are helping to ensure that many of our favorites (King Crimson, ELP, Supertramp, Kansas and Styx, in addition to the aforementioned artists) will eventually be inducted.

Thank you.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 18:16pm


Casper,

Each generation has their own ideas of who is and who is not deserving, thus from a purely “prog” standpoint, I will evaluate this list of nominees:


Clearly Deserving: Roxy Music, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, Kraftwerk

Borderline (Deserving): Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus with Chaka Khan, John Prine, The Cure, Devo, Stevie Nicks

Borderline (Not Deserving) MC5, Def Leppard, LL Cool J.

Not deserving: Janet Jackson*

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 18:41pm


Eng

ROCK AND ROLL

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 18:48pm



Clearly deserving: Everyone or the nom com wouldn't nominate them and the Hall wouldn't induct them. Doesn't mean they are in the top 1000 acts of the genre. But if you get this far its going to add to your credibility considerably.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 19:01pm


Clearly deserving: The Cure, Def Leppard, Devo, Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, MC5, Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine, Roxy Music, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies.

Not deserving: Stevie Nicks, John Prine.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 19:21pm


Not to several million people. This has gone way too far. Enugh is enough.



ROCK AND ROLL

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 19:42pm


Y'all still here?

Anyway, I'm with Chris. Everyone nominated deserves a chance to get inducted. Pipe down and eat or get laid or something lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 19:46pm


Timmy

You do not get it.

ROCK AND ROLL

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 19:53pm


Are you going back to your playpen?

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 19:55pm


Zuzu,

Please be constructive or go back to your cave. Talking trash isn't helping anyone, and this board has an excellent civil discussion going on. Thank you ;)

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 20:25pm


What makes you think you are constucive?

Get a nonrock and roll hall for who you want to induct,

Then you do your thing and we will do ours.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 20:39pm


You speak for the mouse in your pocket? Rock and roll transcends all genres. There are deservedly some early 60s acts not in, but it's time for the 80s and 90s. Don't worry, maybe Tommy James will get a song nomination. Sorry couldn't resist ;)

I'll quit poking the crabby old man now...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 21:01pm


K-Dawg,

Thank you for being constructive to this great conversation we have all had for the past couple of months. Pay no attention to those who discredit that. Or pay some attention but know your contribution to this discussion is appreciated by me.


For everyone:

Will there be a surprise waiting for a non performer or sideman induction this year? Something off all of our radars? We keep focusing on Rundgren as a Musical Excellence choice, but what happens if they throw someone else in a category the voters have no say over? Who could it be, or who would we hope to see? Personally I would like Sylvia Robinson who deserves it, but I think I might be gobsmacked to see Dianne Warren get recognition out of nowhere. I doubt it will happen, but it would be interesting.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 21:33pm


I think that John Prine will get a backdoor induction via the Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer) this year for his songwriting, I just don't think that he deserves a Performer induction so I think that the Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer this year, he's far more remembered for being an influential songwriter/composer, so I think that he's more likely to get inducted via the backdoor via the Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer) this year for his songwriting rather than get an induction as a Performer.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 22:01pm


richie,

So many artists have been inducted in the performer category over the years that Prine would not be a surprise. The Ahmet award is even harder to get. He gets in now, or as the years unfold he will get in after a few nominations. My guess is he is inducted soon, taking up a spot that another act (any act this round) deserved more. It will be a disappointment. Still deserved. He isn't the type who gets the ME award though.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 22:44pm


Sorry you can not stand the truth.

ROCK AND ROLL

80s and 90s need their own hall

The nom com is about to gettold where to stick it.

you will not get your fantasy in our hall

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 11/17/2018 @ 23:50pm


Chris F.,

Yeah Prine definitely fits in the Performer category. The question is will he have ENOUGH votes to get in is the real question. We can argue all day whether or not he's obscure or not. He has support. And I'm surely predicting he could possibly get a spot be it five or six inductees.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 00:24am


@Chris,

As for a surprise induction outside the Performer category, I'm actually predicting Don Cornelius could finally get inducted in the non-performer category (think Musical Excellence? I forget which one Dick Clark was inducted under but Don would be inducted in that category). His induction is LONG overdue!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 00:27am


@richie,

There's a problem with the suggestion Prine could or should get the Ahmet award because he's also nominated for a Songwriter's Hall of Fame. Is it possible he could get both? Yeah. But I don't remember songwriters who were also known as singers who didn't get in as Performers, minus Carole King.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 00:29am


No one's paying attention but Todd keeps rising up in votes on the fan vote. With less than three weeks left, y'all think he can get within striking distance of Stevie's numbers?!

https://www.rockhall.com/fanvote/standings

Stevie's now less than 77k votes away from Todd. Just an amazing development. Team Runt has been on it since Todd decided to join in!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 03:23am


Timothy,

You have become an FRL regular this year. I am glad to see that you agree with me that John Prine belongs in the performer category. And you are surely predicting he could possibly get a spot. I know some folk music so thats why I know John Prine. There used to be a folk music type show in New York called Mixed bag. I live in New York my whole life. Mixed Bag with Pete Fornatale was one of the prominent show for folk and acoustic music.

As far getting Votes. There certainly has been other less known acts inducted like Laura Nyro and the Paul Butterfield Blues Band. Many didn't expect those. I think thats what you factor in

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 06:21am


Ben and Timothy,

I have to disagree with you guys about John Prine, I just don't think that he belongs in the Performer category, so I really think that the Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer this year, he's far more remembered for being an influential songwriter/composer, so I just don't think that he deserves a Performer induction and I really think that he's more likely to get a backdoor induction via the Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer) for his songwriting rather than get an induction as a Performer.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 10:49am


Richie

I know what you are saying makes sense but this is not what the nom com does.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 15:05pm


Ben,

Right. Which is John's induction may be a sure thing when it's announced. If Laura Nyro can get in...lol but yeah I do feel whatever year, Prine definitely deserves induction after I did my research.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 16:26pm


The Songwriter Hall of Fame splits itself into performer and non performer groups. Prine is listed as a Performer there. What will be odd, or sad truthfully, is if he manages to take Janet's spot in the Rock Hall this year and Mariah's spot in the Songwriters Hall. An induction of either into the two Halls opens the door for the other though. Interesting since Janet and Mariah have a mutual appreciation for each other.

Posted by Chris F. on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 16:26pm


@Chris,

I think Prine will block Mariah's chances of getting in stronger than he'd block Janet's in the Rock Hall.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 16:27pm


Also, Mariah has Missy Elliott also fighting for an induction so I could see them inducting Missy and Prine over Mariah.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 16:28pm


Todd's now 76k votes away from Stevie.

Maybe it's my fault? LOL I've been advising people on my Todd Rundgren Tumblr page to vote for him. :) But I know some Todd fans have done it on Instagram and Facebook and Todd and his family have gotten in the mix as well...

If anyone wasn't predicting Todd (and not a lot of people here or outside the forum) are not counting on him being inducted, he'd probably be the dark horse than Prine for many.

I'm one of the few who thinks Todd is a shoo-in.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 16:30pm


Timothy,

I think that it will be Prine, Carey, and Elliott this year. Their competition comes from the other performers on the ballot that may unseat them. Chrissie Hynde, the Eurythmics, and Cat Stevens. If you were taking just pure hits and success of body of work Carey is virtually unmatched in the Pop era for a performer. The Songwriters Hall is a different beast, and tends to not have the antics of the Rock Hall. It isn't nearly as political, and has a far more diverse voting body.

Posted by Chris F. on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 16:35pm


@Chris F,

They induct two performers every year, how can they induct three? Missy's nominated in the performer genre too.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 16:38pm


Chris,

Okay, correction, they do induct more than two performers. But you forget Eurythmics could get in over, say, Mariah Carey too. Mariah has a LOT of competition against her. Not just Prine.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 16:40pm


I think that John Prine is far more likely to get inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year than get inducted into the Rock Hall this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 16:44pm


Timothy,

I listed the Eurythmics as the competition in that post. Along with Stevens and Hynde. Any of those six could line up for the induction. I was not implying Carey was a shoo in. Just that if Prine were to be inducted over her and then also over Janet in the Hall he would be slipping past 2 of the most successful artists of all time. A hypothetical. Jackson being the biggest artist for the Rock Hall this year, and Mariah being that over in the Songwriters Hall. At least by terms of success on charts and sales.

Posted by Chris F. on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 17:07pm


Richie

He has a lot of people who will vote for him and no competition.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 19:10pm


Zuzu,

I have to disagree with you about John Prine, I just don't think that he'll get inducted this year (let alone ever), I really think that his nomination this year should have went to either Willie Nelson or Gram Parsons for a fourth time since they're both much more iconic and much more deserving of induction than him IMO.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 19:33pm


Ladies and gentlemen, at least two possible 2019 inductees taking a pic together:
https://twitter.com/DefLeppard/status/1064291009046167552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Afuturerocklgnds&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ffuturerocklegends.com%2F

Love Joe's comment above this photo.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 20:54pm


Chris,

I doubt a singer-songwriter would get in the way of Janet's induction. I think some people are underestimating Janet's power a little. Just like some of us are accused of underestimating John's (but I get it with John now, I didn't get it before).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 20:56pm


Good chance Janet might be one of the inductees:

She doesn't perform until April 2019. Same with Stevie (Fleetwood Mac, the current Buckingham-less version, won't be back onstage again until April as well).

I wonder how many of the nominees have performances lined up on the date of the induction ceremony.

Only one I noted was Chaka Khan. She's supposed to tour South Africa on March 29th.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/18/2018 @ 21:00pm


Todd Rundgren is far more favored to step in the RRHOF than John Prine. Prine is more suited for the songwriters category. However, as previously stated, the voters have a mind numbing habit of bringing up out of the blue candidates who have no business being in the performer wing. Todd has done it as both a performer and an influential songwriter. On the surface, people may just remember 'Hello It's Me", but he epitomizes the 70s AM sound that only a few groups (Steely Dan the most notable) have gotten in so far. He is clearly one of the 5 or 6 most deserving IMO.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 02:37am


And, this is an irrelevant observation this year, but if Janet had already been in as she should be, Mariah very well might be on this list instead of her...after Janet and Whitney, she's the next great "diva" who awaits her rightful place in Cleveland....

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 02:40am


K-Dawg,

I do agree with that and I've been pretty consistent. This is why this is gonna be an unpredictable list. And yes the Hall does have that reputation on doing that. That's why Laura Nyro, Paul Butterfield and Percy Sledge are what you never expect to see when describing "hall of fame" acts. It's bad enough J. Geils got nominated a lot of times and I never got what they were supposed to mean to rock like that. If we were gonna criticize what "rock and roll" would mean in this context, Todd would fit it way more than someone like Prine.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 02:59am


WORST CASE SCENARIO
THIS WOULD MAKE FOR A VERY BORING CEREMONY
HARDLY ANYONE WOULD ATTEND
BAD FOR TV RATINGS

THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. MC5
02. Devo
03. Kraftwerk
04. LL Cool J
05. John Prine

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 08:34am


That's why they need Todd, Janet, Def Leppard and Stevie there...we can take one of the "boring" picks and possibly add a sixth.

Plus, what mostly EVERYONE seems to overlook: the ceremony will be held at the BARCLAYS CENTER.

This year's ceremony was held at Cleveland's Public Hall, which seats 3,000. Barclays holds more than DOUBLE that amount at 19,000.

Which means a lot despite what people think of the Rock Hall's crazy decision making half the time.

So that list Roy posted wouldn't make no good sense.

Most of MC5 members are dead, Kraftwerk is not really what you call a "live act" though the effects would be interesting (they were kinda like Daft Punk except Daft Punk is actually very funky), John Prine is a folkster who sits on a stool and churns away. The only acts that could get the Barclays Center to jam a bit is Devo and LL Cool J, if that.

When the 2016 HOF was held at Barclays, it had enough artists for fans to get excited about at the arena:

Chicago
Deep Purple
Cheap Trick (who basically became famous for their exciting live shows)
Then whoever guested for N.W.A. (it wasn't them but their peers, my mind's blank on who)

The 2017 one that was held there had these inductees at Barclays:
ELO
Yes
Journey
Pearl Jam
Joan Baez
2Pac

You have at least four crowd-pleasing acts: ELO, Yes, Journey and Pearl Jam. Then you had performers in place of 2Pac (not to mention Snoop Dogg inducting him). Only "boring" act on the bill was Joan Baez. Nile Rodgers of CHIC got the "back door" induction with Musical Excellence mainly because the Hall was tired of nominating CHIC after 200 times. And Nile performed with the current members of CHIC getting the Center on its feet, dancing and clapping their hands (as they should've because Nile's shows are killer!)

The Hall's first ceremony at Barclays, the 2014 class, included KISS, the E Street Band (Bruce Springsteen had been inducted 15 years earlier when the Hall wasn't so populist), Nirvana (the surviving members performed with acts like Kim Gordon, Lorde, St. Vincent and Joan Jett, who would finally get in the Hall in 2015), Peter Gabriel, the posthumously vocal but physically still alive Linda Rondstadt, and Cat Stevens.

KISS was guaranteed to "rock out" the house at Barclays (which would've been great and I'm sure that's what the Hall was counting on) but since they infamously criticized the Hall for years, not to mention the love-hate relationship that still exists between the four originals who got in and the exclusion of later KISS members that replaced Peter Criss and Ace Frehley, they decided not to put on their makeup and perform (IIRC, all the original KISS members accepted their induction casually without their famous attire).

Linda Ronstadt was too sick to attend due to her battle with Parkinson's. Which brings this up: I hope she's okay. :/

But the performances in tribute to Linda, as well as Chris Martin of Coldplay and Gabriel, and, of course the aforementioned performances of Nirvana with their special guests replacing the immortal Kurt Cobain, not to mention Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band themselves (Bruce inducted his old buddies, which included the infamous HOF committee member Little Steven), 2014's list was mostly a smart move for them.

The 2019 ceremony would be TERRIBLE if those five acts Roy mentioned get in.

This is why this list would be far more exciting:

Todd Rundgren
Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
Janet Jackson
The Cure
Rage Against the Machine or Radiohead

But I can see one boring inductee (Prine would fit the bill lol and that's "boring" as far as getting inducted in a huge venue like Barclays). Heck, it actually wouldn't surprise me, if on the grounds Prine gets inducted, that he'd be a no-show because he's not used to HUGE crowds. That's really my only reason I would think he would fit in a setting like the Public Hall, which only seats 3,000. AFAIK, Prine has NEVER played to that big of a crowd unless at a festival. Prine performed at Farm Aid the Manor Downs Racetrack in its second annual concert in 1986. I don't know how big the crowd was but at the very first one in 1985, over 80,000 people packed the Memorial Stadium in Champaign, Illinois where Prine's song "Angel from Montgomery" was performed by later HOF'er Bonnie Raitt and Rickie Lee Jones. And he only agreed to perform with Kris Kristofferson in the '86 one.

Shoot, DEVO could take Prine's place, least the crowd will be dancing to "Whip It" and "Weapon of Choice"! (this is just in case LL loses the sixth spot)

So we can have these scenarios:

1.) Def Leppard
2.) Todd Rundgren
3.) Stevie Nicks
4.) Janet Jackson
5.) The Zombies
6.) John Prine

Or:

1.) Def Leppard
2.) Todd Rundgren
3.) Stevie Nicks
4.) Janet Jackson
5.) The Zombies
6.) DEVO (in place of The Cure)

Or:

1.) Def Leppard
2.) Todd Rundgren
3.) Janet Jackson
4.) Stevie Nicks
5.) The Zombies
6.) LL Cool J

(this is Richie's infamous list lol)

HONESTLY? These are the only scenarios I can see factually happening.

The Hall is running on a critic's ballot but it won't be so critic-y... this is not Cleveland.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 10:31am


Ugh, I meant to say "Freedom of Choice" for DEVO. LOL

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 10:35am


Actually, My final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

All six of those acts that I just mentioned are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned will be this year's induction class (if six).

I really hope that everyone is wrong about Stevie Nicks getting inducted this year, I really hope that she gets passed over and doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone simply because I frankly don't feel her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus she's already in with Fleetwood Mac, so I'm not seeing how she merits a second induction and because of that, I simply don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction, plus I just can't see the Hall inducting two female solo artists in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become 2-time inductees more so than Stevie as well, besides I really think that most of the voters are very aware of her already being an inductee with Fleetwood Mac and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career, and the writers that vote?, I just can't see many of them falling for this, they know that her solo discography doesn't merit this award and like Sting, the solo career won't pass the smell test, so I really think that Stevie will be the one artist that misses out on induction this year out of the top six acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, The Cure and Janet Jackson).

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 11:37am


Roy,

I think you're wrong about John Prine being boring. True, as a folk artist in a big venue, it might seem a mismatch, but he tells great stories both in his songs and between his songs when he plays live, so I think he can hold a crowd quite well.

And MC5 could be a great performance if done right, and to me, being done right means having the surviving members playing, along with the current lineup of the "MC50", which is a reconstituted version, similar to "Creedence Clearwater Revisited," and singing lead in tribute to her husband... Patti Smith. I would love to see her belting out "Kick Out The Jams" and maybe "American Ruse," too.

And LL Cool J being boring? Rappers generally know how to work the crowd. Granted the suited dinosaurs probably wouldn't make the effort to get into it, but it could still be good television.

Don't know much about Devo's onstage presence, but just to seem them on stage in their iconic outfits would be enough to get me to tune in. Kraftwerk, you could be right about, but if they do a medley as suggested on the latest installment of the "Who Cares" podcast, I think it could work.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 13:26pm


Philip, how about Patti doing 'Sister Anne'?

That would be badass.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 13:30pm


Philip, how about Patti doing 'Sister Anne'?

That would be badass.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 13:31pm


Philip, how about Patti doing 'Sister Anne'?

That would be badass.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 13:31pm


Patti doing ANYTHING MC5 would be badass tbh.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 17:04pm


Todd now 75k away from Stevie... wonder how close he can get to by December 9th?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/19/2018 @ 17:06pm


Timothy,

I just want to take a look at some of the other nominees. You and Philip did that yesterday. You focused on who is NOT boring. I know very little about MC5. I lean towards the Enig view for them. I have never listened to them. I am NOT in the same league with Enig on Prog. But I have NOT gotten into Punk and 60s Punk style bands really. I love all kinds of other Rock and music like Blues Rock, Jazz Rock, Hard Rock, Country rock,R&b and many other kinds. I will have to take your for it that MC5 is a good performance.

LL Cool J would be exciting. He will rev up the Crowd. That is certain. Rappers do that. Even with my lack of Rap knowledge I know that. Kraftwerk, Roy could be right on this one. I personally don't find electronic music exciting but a Medley for Electronic fans could work. I have mentioned that I was a manager at CD music stores. I have seen Customers buy electronic music. So I guess they would find Kraftwerk exciting.

I just don't think these nominees have much chance for large amounts of Votes. Nominees like The Cure,Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks,John Prine, Rage Against the Machine, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies can get a lot of Votes. Not all these Will be inducted but they are in the running.





Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/20/2018 @ 07:04am


The ones I mentioned are allll the Nominees that can get large Votes. But NOT all of those can get in. MC5 is NOT one of them that can even get Large Votes. The ones above Can.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/20/2018 @ 10:24am


My final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

1.) The Cure (it's past time for an 80's alternative band/act to get in and they just celebrated their 40th anniversary this year, so I really think that if they get in this year, they would break the 80's alternative logjam for sure and I really think that it's going to happen this year)

2.) Def Leppard (this year's fan vote winner and they are the only populist Classic Rock act that's on the ballot this year so they are a shoo-in for induction this year)

3.) Janet Jackson (she will be the token female representative this year plus she's had a big comeback year this year with many industry awards including the Billboard Icon Award at the Billboard Music Awards, the Impact Award at the Radio Disney Music Awards, the Rock Star Award at the Black Girls Rock event, being named a BMI Icon at the BMI R&B/Hip-Hop Awards and more recently, being named a Global Icon at the MTV Europe Music Awards and she's also had a big tour and other publicity this year as well, so I just think that it's her time for induction this year)

4.) LL Cool J (his recent Kennedy Center Honor plus the ceremony's back in NYC (his hometown) this year and he's also the only Rap/Hip-Hop act on the ballot this year for the second year in a row, so I really that it's finally his year for induction this year)

5.) Todd Rundgren (well-known singer-songwriter and record producer who is highly well-respected by his peers and he will go in right away just like Steve Miller, Jeff Lynne and Mark Knopfler)

6.) The Zombies (it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year and they are truly one of the last '60s acts that really needs to go in, so I really think that it's finally their year for induction this year)

Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer)

1.) John Prine (I think that he will be inducted through this category, I really think that the Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being an influential songwriter/composer, so this is where I expect him to get inducted and he'll get a backdoor induction this year via this category)

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

1.) Radiohead (in all reality, they should be a shoo-in, but they still have too much controversy from last year going for them and the Hall certainly doesn't want a repeat of last year's Dire Straits situation, so I think that their lack of enthusiasm and continued apathy towards the Hall will keep them out once again this year, Still, I think that they're a Wild Card/Dark Horse this year in spite of everything)

2.) Roxy Music (Brian Eno and Bryan Ferry are both highly well-respected in the music industry but the problem that I have with Roxy Music is because that they were more popular overseas than they were in America and because of that, they'll be hurt by it and they are probably too British for the voters at this point, plus as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't guarantee an automatic induction and I'm kind of certain that not a lot of people know that Brian Eno was once a member of Roxy Music as well, other than Janet Jackson. Roxy Music has more support/buzz than almost anyone else nominated this year but I don't think that it'll be enough for them to get inducted this year, they'll get in eventually but I think that it will take them a couple of nominations before they get an induction, Still, like Radiohead, I think that they're a Wild Card/Dark Horse this year as well)

As for the rest:

Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan won't get in this year but most of them (except for MC5 who are more likely to get inducted via the Singles category now) will get in at some point.

I really hope that everyone is wrong about Stevie Nicks getting inducted this year, I really hope that she gets passed over and doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone simply because I frankly don't feel her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus she's already in with Fleetwood Mac, so I'm not seeing how she merits a second induction and because of that, I simply don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction, plus I just can't see the Hall inducting two female solo artists in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become 2-time inductees more so than Stevie as well, besides I really think that most of the voters are very aware of her already being an inductee with Fleetwood Mac and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career, and the writers that vote?, I just can't see many of them falling for this, they know that her solo discography doesn't merit this award and like Sting, the solo career won't pass the smell test, so I really think that Stevie will be the one artist that misses out on induction this year out of the top six acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, The Cure and Janet Jackson).

So that's why all six of those acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned will be this year's induction class (if six).

Those are my thoughts.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/20/2018 @ 12:26pm


@Ben,

To be fair, MC5 and LL are FAR from boring. Same with DEVO. But the other two? Prine would probably be good with the folk crowd but not a crowd looking for ROCK music or even something as exciting like hip-hop and punk.

I wasn't aware that the few surviving members of MC5 are still jamming. LL, I don't think, has performed in years. Devo has. I think when Roy made his list, he was talking about how bad some of the acts could do in a huge stage like Barclays. I think of the acts he listed, LL and Devo would fit in a stage like Barclays, the others are more theater acts than arena acts (Barclays is an arena). I think that's what he meant by "boring". I personally don't think those are boring picks but they're just not realistic.

And I get what you mean by large votes, which is why anyone in the top five for instance could win a seat in the top five but not necessarily the Hall of Fame. So do NOT be surprised if some in the top five don't get in. It's actually a good possibility that just three of the artists in the top five will not be inducted next March.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/20/2018 @ 13:10pm


Darn, Timothy, don't you read my comments ;-)

On this quote 'LL, I don't think, has performed in years.'

I think in this thread up there somewhere I said I saw him this year (2018) at Lollapalooza & he was badass. Had like 20 dancers with him, great DJ, etc. etc.

Read about it in a Lolla Recap article.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 11/20/2018 @ 15:07pm


Paul,

I admit, I speed-read some posts. :)

I forgot about Lollapalooza. I was just so used to LL being on TV acting than onstage performing. I did hear he was trying to release an album but alas no other word. I know he's off Def Jam at least.

Speaking of, isn't Rick Rubin a committee member???

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/20/2018 @ 17:11pm


My final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

1.) The Cure (it's past time for an 80's alternative band/act to get in and they just celebrated their 40th anniversary this year, so I really think that if they get in this year, they would break the 80's alternative logjam for sure and I really think that it's going to happen this year)

2.) Def Leppard (this year's fan vote winner and they are the only populist Classic Rock act that's on the ballot this year so they are a shoo-in for induction this year)

3.) Janet Jackson (she will be the token female representative this year plus she's had a big comeback year this year with many industry awards including the Billboard Icon Award at the Billboard Music Awards, the Impact Award at the Radio Disney Music Awards, the Rock Star Award at the Black Girls Rock event, being named a BMI Icon at the BMI R&B/Hip-Hop Awards and more recently, being named a Global Icon at the MTV Europe Music Awards and she's also had a big tour and other publicity this year as well, so I just think that it's her time for induction this year)

4.) LL Cool J (his recent Kennedy Center Honor plus the ceremony's back in NYC (his hometown) this year and he's also the only Rap/Hip-Hop act on the ballot this year for the second year in a row, so I really think that it's finally his year for induction this year)

5.) Todd Rundgren (well-known singer-songwriter and record producer who is highly well-respected by his peers and he will go in right away just like Steve Miller, Jeff Lynne and Mark Knopfler)

6.) The Zombies (it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year and they are truly one of the last '60s acts that really needs to go in, so I really think that it's finally their year for induction this year)

Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer)

1.) John Prine (I think that he will be inducted through this category, I really think that the Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being an influential songwriter/composer, so this is where I expect him to get inducted and he'll get a backdoor induction this year via this category)

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

1.) Radiohead (in all reality, they should be a shoo-in, but they still have too much controversy from last year going for them and the Hall certainly doesn't want a repeat of last year's Dire Straits situation, so I think that their lack of enthusiasm and continued apathy towards the Hall will keep them out once again this year, Still, I think that they're a Wild Card/Dark Horse this year in spite of everything)

2.) Roxy Music (Brian Eno and Bryan Ferry are both highly well-respected in the music industry but the problem that I have with Roxy Music is because that they were more popular overseas than they were in America and because of that, they'll be hurt by it and they are probably too British for the voters at this point, plus as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't guarantee an automatic induction and I'm kind of certain that not a lot of people know that Brian Eno was once a member of Roxy Music as well, other than Janet Jackson. Roxy Music has more support/buzz than almost anyone else nominated this year but I don't think that it'll be enough for them to get inducted this year, they'll get in eventually but I think that it will take them a couple of nominations before they get an induction, Still, like Radiohead, I think that they're a Wild Card/Dark Horse this year as well)

As for the rest:

Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan won't get in this year but most of them (except for MC5 who are more likely to get inducted via the Singles category now) will get in at some point.

I really hope that everyone is wrong about Stevie Nicks getting inducted this year, I really hope that she gets passed over and doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone simply because I frankly don't feel her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus she's already in with Fleetwood Mac, so I'm not seeing how she merits a second induction and because of that, I simply don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction, plus I just can't see the Hall inducting two female solo artists in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become 2-time inductees more so than Stevie as well, besides I really think that most of the voters are very aware of her already being an inductee with Fleetwood Mac and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career, and the writers that vote?, I just can't see many of them falling for this, they know that her solo discography doesn't merit this award and like Sting, the solo career won't pass the smell test, so I really think that Stevie will be the one artist that misses out on induction this year out of the top six acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, The Cure and Janet Jackson).

So that's why all six of those acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned will be this year's induction class (if six).

Those are my thoughts.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/20/2018 @ 18:00pm


Timothy,

I don't know MC5 much at all. I only know them as a name. LL CooL J I know about for sure. I think I saw him Perform on TV once about 25 Years ago. I am NOT a big Rap fan but I do have to say LL is Da
man. He can put on a good show. There is No doubt about that. Unfortunately I don't think the Voting body as a whole will agree with me and get him Inducted.

I still think Devo has the worst chance among the nominees to be Inducted. That's at least this year. Oh what did you mean when you said "Just 3 of the Top five will NOT be inducted next March". Did you mean just 3 of the Top 5 will be inducted? I dont know if it reads right.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/21/2018 @ 06:50am


Understand, Timothy. I don't read em all either!

Happy Thanksgiving to you & all our great regulars!

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 11/21/2018 @ 06:58am


Ben,

Yeah, just three of the top five. FRL is indicating a pattern may happen again. After two years of four of the top five, this year it will go back to three. It's almost predictable at this point.

The unpredictability is who will be left out this time?

Def Leppard is almost a guaranteed shoo-in.

The Zombies are getting in.

That leaves these three:
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
The Cure

Which one of them (or two of them) will be left out?

Paul,

Happy Thanksgiving to you too. :) And to everyone else here! :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/21/2018 @ 12:54pm


73,605 votes now separates Stevie & Todd in the fan vote.

I wonder if this stalling will play a role in Stevie's chances on getting inducted. I have to admit, it's a little concerning.

The last time we were sure a #2 finisher was going in the Hall, they ended up not getting in at least initially (Deep Purple was #2 on one poll, still didn't get in until years later and they were lower on the fan vote when they did get in, I forget which position; Nine Inch Nails was #2 on another fan vote, still got snubbed).

Not saying it'll happen here but it's something to ponder as we wind down the days until we finally get the final results of who gets in the 2019 class of the Hall.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/21/2018 @ 12:59pm


So Timothy, are you now saying Janet won't go in? The 5 you listed are a classic rock um, fanatic's wet dream.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 11/21/2018 @ 13:26pm


K-Dawg,

No, I said, two of the top five won't go in.

I'm STILL predicting Janet and there will be six inductees. Just not sure which of the five besides Def Leppard and the Zombies are going.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/21/2018 @ 14:32pm


I think you read it completely wrong, @K-Dawg, but it's understandable, this forum is not exactly one you can easily quote from lol

I said, this year, the Hall may ONLY pick three of the five top vote-getters and since all those fan votes would only count as 1 of 999 others, it doesn't mean any of the four below #1 is a surefire entry.

I was only focusing on the top five of the fan vote, not all fifteen. Though my mind has changed on some nominees, particularly Radiohead's (more on that in a minute).

I'll break it down on what I was trying to say:

1.) Since we know that since the fan vote has been created, anyone who WON it got in. This year, it went to, not Stevie Nicks, but Def Leppard. Def Leppard is gonna be the shoo-in.

2.) The Zombies are more than a sure bet. They have no real barriers as far as '60s acts go and they're one of the last of the British rock acts of the classic era to get inducted.

So now we have two surefire inductees.

Here's where Todd, Stevie and the Cure could wind up:

Todd could still get in the back door if he has no huge votes outside the fan vote push.

My predictions for Stevie to get in have gone down as I said before but they want her (and not Tina Turner for some odd reason) to be the female Clyde McPhatter of the Hall.

The Cure may not get in at all because Radiohead could pull an upset.

OK, let's say these three of the top five gets in as performers:
Def Leppard
The Zombies
Stevie Nicks

That seems right, but maybe not.

Maybe there seems to be so much love for Todd that it could somehow steal votes away from Stevie Nicks preventing history to be made.

So then the scenario would be all guys from the top five minus The Cure:

Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren
Zombies

That leaves three more acts.

Janet is not in the top five. BUT she can get in anyway. She has no barriers in the R&B category. She's the R&B version of the Zombies in this instance (while Chaka Khan and Rufus are the MC5's of R&B).

Alright:
Def Leppard
Zombies
Stevie or Todd
Janet

That's four.

Two more could be wildcards:
LL has a chance.
Radiohead still has a chance..
John Prine is almost surely getting in, whether y'all like it or not.
And finally, Roxy Music.

It's possible for any of these six acts to be inductees 5 and 6.

Radiohead might still get inducted but controversy will sure follow their induction. Anything to get clicks for your site and foundation!

Roxy Music has a campaign going to get them in and they could be the wildcard but Todd will probably block their entry for now.

So that leaves LL (who is actually predicted to finally get inducted this year by a lot of predictors) and John Prine (who no one has as a surefire inductee).

The fan vote has Prine above LL but overall votes MIGHT tell a different story.

2018 didn't induct no rap acts, but 2019 could usher LL Cool J in blocking Prine's chances (depends on who votes more for whom). Prine could still be the dark horse so he's not out of the count yet.

So if it holds, these will be your inductees in March (three scenarios):

One scenario:
Def Leppard
Zombies
Stevie
Janet
Radiohead
LL Cool J
Todd for Musical Excellence

The other:
Def Leppard
Zombies
Todd
Janet
Radiohead
LL Cool J

The last:
Def Leppard
Zombies
Todd
Janet
Radiohead
John Prine

You get it now, K-Dawg? Lol :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/21/2018 @ 14:59pm


E-Rockracy predicts Def Leppard, Janet, LL, Stevie, the Zombies and Radiohead to get inducted.

https://www.e-rockracy.com/2018/11/predictions-rock-hall-class-of-2019.html

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/21/2018 @ 15:05pm


I actually think E-Rockracy's picks would be a great class. I'm really hoping The Cure get in, but not holding my breath on that one. I don't have a strong opinion either way on Stevie Nicks. While I agree that her solo career may not scream Hall worthy, I'm all for more women being inducted. And if Stevie being inducted opens the door for Tina Turner, Pat Benatar, The Go-Go's, etc., then I say put her in.

I can't wait for the announcement this year. This year in particular feels so wide open, and that's very exciting.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 11/21/2018 @ 15:42pm


Apologies, Timothy lol. I'm fighting a bit of sickness and my brain is kind of fried right now. I am holding my hopes that at least the Cure gets in, so maybe we can have some semblance of a recognition of different and unexplored genres which are already long overdue to be in the Rock Hall

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 11/21/2018 @ 17:47pm


Timothy,

I saw your scenarios. I get it. I agree Def Leppard and the Zombies seem to be sure things. Janet Jackson stands a good chance, I forgot that most years an African American is inducted. If I look at the last 3 classes. 2016 it was NWA. 2017 it was Tupac Shakur. 2018 it was Nina Simone. It serves to reason it would be the same this year.Janet Jackson fits that bill.

I notice the Cure are NOT in any of your scenarios. It is true that they may not muster enough Votes. Also I happen to think Stevie and Todd will be inducted at the same time. We agree quite a bit with John Prine. He is in your last scenario. I think a lot of the FRL people are underestimating him. I am sure as you agree a lot of people did NOT expect LAura Nyro in 2012. Randy Newman came out of nowhere in 2013.

I joined this forum in 2014. I remember Cat Stevens was expected AS well as Linda Ronstadt(She is NOT technically a singer/songwriter). The singer/songwriter balances the classes out from way back. Many voters go for a singer/songwriter. Some of them like James Taylor are singer/songwriters themselves. Prine is a perfect pick for him. You do agree about John Prine.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11/22/2018 @ 06:34am


FINAL PREDICTION

2019 WILL LOOK LIKE 2018: CLASSIC ROCK

THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. Janet Jackson
02. Stevie Nicks
03. Todd Rundgren
04. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
05. The Zombies
06. Def Leppard

Voters will continue to pass on '90s bands and vote for the artists who've been waiting a long time for induction.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11/22/2018 @ 07:59am


THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

01. Janet Jackson
02. Stevie Nicks
03. Todd Rundgren
04. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan / Roxy Music
05. The Zombies
06. Def Leppard

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11/22/2018 @ 08:17am


Ben,

Right. John could be the dark horse of the entire inductee list. I definitely remembered seeing names like Cat Stevens, Laura Nyro and Joan Baez going "these guys will never get in". Sure enough, inductions are announced and they are on the bill. I predict the same to happen to Prine if my third indication holds. LL will probably have to sit this out again.

I see you finally see where I'm getting at with Janet in terms of the black vote. She really is lucky because the last two nominations, there were more than three black artists nominated and she probably ended up having her vote split.

Not really the same thing this time around. In 2015, there were six African American nominees. In 2016, there were also six African American acts.

This year, just three. Chaka would lose out because there are not that many legacy R&B acts alive that would've voted for her enough to pull her ahead. LL has support too and he could be a sixth inductee if somehow Todd gets M.E. (that's just in case Stevie somehow misses getting enough votes to get in, which is in the middle of either being realistic or unrealistic) but he won't have enough to beat a Jackson. He's not 2Pac.

But it's sure good to speculate where this is headed. Janet finally has an open. If she proved to be the 7th pick in both of the years she was nominated in, there's a good chance she'll be one of the six this year in any of the scenarios I present.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/22/2018 @ 09:58am


Ben,

In terms of John Prine and singer-songwriters, yeah you're absolutely right. On the surface, he appears to be the most obscure artist on the list but the Hall always inducts a singer-songwriter so his chances are still really good for entry into the Hall.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/22/2018 @ 10:04am


@Roy,

Are you really certain Rufus still has a shot? I can still see Roxy Music going in though. I mean people bristled off John Prine but he may go in as well.

Sure will be exciting to see who finally wins though!

Fan vote update:

Todd's now 72,803 votes shy of reaching #2 on the fan vote (he's closing in on 30k votes overall). Very impressive even if he doesn't get in (which I hope he does. *fingers crossed*)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/22/2018 @ 10:08am


My final predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies. All six of those acts that I just mentioned are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) will be this year's induction class (if six).

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/22/2018 @ 10:34am


Timothy,

I do see where you are coming from with Janet Jackson. I am NOT even a fan. I guess I don't mind Nasty but No not a fan. If this is anything I organized a party in 1987. I wanted the DJ to play a lot of my Rock faves like Van Halen, Pretenders,Journey whatever BUT I did ask that the DJ play some Janet J. to have a hip and modern party in 1987. I am huge on Old Rock but I admit that Janet J was good at a party. She fits in the Hall a lot better than lets say Jody Watley or Expose also good at partys in 1987,88.

So anyway what I remember is the other times Janet J was nominated she competed for the black vote with Rap acts like NWA and 2Pac as well as Chaka Khan, She does Not have that problem this time. I would say she was way ahead of Chaka K the other times but NOT the rap acts. So Janet J has a good chane

Posted by Ben on Friday, 11/23/2018 @ 05:21am


As much as I love John Prine, I just don't think that he deserves a Performer induction, I just think that his nomination as a Performer this year was a wasted one and I really think that the Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being an influential songwriter/composer, his nomination as a Performer this year really should have went to one of the following acts:

Patsy Cline
Willie Nelson
Dolly Parton
Loretta Lynn
Merle Haggard
George Jones
Glen Campbell
Conway Twitty
Waylon Jennings
Buck Owens
Kris Kristofferson
Gram Parsons
Emmylou Harris
Steve Earle
Lucinda Williams
Garth Brooks
Shania Twain
Warren Zevon
Harry Nilsson
Carole King
Carly Simon
Jim Croce

All of those acts are either other Country/Americana acts or other '70s Singer-Songwriters and one of them really should have taken his spot on the ballot this year, his nomination as a Performer this year does an injustice to all of the acts that I just mentioned who were much more iconic and were much more well-known, he's easily the most obscure artist on the ballot this year and with the possible exception of Bad Brains, maybe that the Hall has ever nominated, so I think that he's more likely to get a backdoor induction via either the Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer) or the Musicial Excellence category for his songwriting, rather than get an induction as a Performer or get inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame first (he's just been announced as a 2019 Songwriters Hall of Fame nominee).

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/23/2018 @ 11:10am


Ben,

Yeah, Janet stood out of her pack for a good reason. She definitely had obstacles as far as the number of African American nominees. Rufus and Chaka Khan are not that familiar to the average HOF votes as one might think and LL has turned into a polarizing nominee. Janet is someone a non-black votes can identify with.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/23/2018 @ 11:11am


Timothy,

These are good chats. I always go back to my Classic Rock veteran voter examples. Pete Townsend,Eric Clapton and the guy in ZZ Top are passing Janet J right over. But Clearly Stevie Wonder,Earth,Wind & Fire members,The O Jays and of course allll members of the Jackson 5 are voting for Janet J. As far as Non Black votes. NOT Madonna but perhaps Debbie Harry,Daryl Hall,John Oates,Chicago members maybe since they dabbled in 80s pop. So Janet J has great possibility

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/24/2018 @ 06:51am


@ Ben

Members from Genesis would vote for Janet; they were the most pop-freindly prog band.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 11/24/2018 @ 09:08am


Ben,

Didn't some inductees say they were gonna skip voting in this ballot? That could help Janet a lot as well lmao but I doubt every rock act will not vote for her, you do mention some good names that probably will though.

BTW, Todd's now just 70,442 votes away from Stevie on the infamous fan vote. Probably won't be able to get to #2 at this rate. Todd's still benefiting from a lull in Stevie's votes. She got up to 36k votes but barely. May take a while before Todd reaches 300k

Janet's at 175,287 votes, the most she's ever gotten in the history of the fan vote, I think... only 24k votes away from reaching 200k, which seems to now be the goal for Janet fans voting.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 11/24/2018 @ 13:49pm


Timothy,

I was thinking in terms o Voters like Pete Townsend and Eric Clapton NOT voting for Janet J. Or Bob Seger. Elton John may Vote for Janet J. And Steve Tyler maybe.Its possible.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 11/24/2018 @ 20:39pm


Ben,

Yeah, Elton could definitely vote for her. I can see that. I wonder how many inductees actually vote though... unless there are people they really dig, I imagine they just decide "nah not participating". I can imagine most of the rock inductees skipping the voting this year. Joe Walsh basically said he would. That Eddie Trunk purist a-hole was too.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 11/24/2018 @ 23:07pm


Tom Lane's list is basically what my five inductees list is (Def Leppard, Janet, Stevie, Todd and the Zombies). And unless they change their mind, this might be the list next month. If a sixth, according to Tom, it's LL or Radiohead or Roxy Music being the sixth inductee...

I would love for ONE inductee list to be a mixture of black acts, women and men alike and I think we'll finally get one in 2019! The first time that would happen since 2009.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 11/24/2018 @ 23:10pm


My final predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

All six of those acts that I just mentioned are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) will be this year's induction class (if six).

I really hope that everyone is wrong about Stevie Nicks getting inducted this year, I really hope that she gets passed over and doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone simply because I frankly don't feel her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus she's already in with Fleetwood Mac, so I'm not seeing how she merits a second induction and because of that, I simply don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction, plus I just can't see the Rock Hall inducting two female solo artists in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become 2-time inductees more so than Stevie as well, besides I really think that most of the voters are very aware of her already being an inductee with Fleetwood Mac and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career, I think that most will know she's already inducted and if they really think about her solo career, they could have second doubts and the writers that vote?, I just can't see many of them falling for this, they know that her solo discography doesn't merit this award and like Sting, the solo career won't pass the smell test, so I really think that Stevie will be the one artist that misses out on induction this year out of the top six acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, The Cure and Janet Jackson).

Posted by richie on Sunday, 11/25/2018 @ 01:04am


richie,

If the pattern's right, three of the top five will go in while two sit it out. Stevie won't be the only one left out if you're right. One of us is gonna be wrong lmao

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/25/2018 @ 03:46am


How the hell did Def Leppard drop to 7th place on FRL voting?

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11/25/2018 @ 05:22am


How the hell did Def Leppard drop to 7th place on FRL voting?

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11/25/2018 @ 05:24am


Timothy,

I see your point about a lot of the Rock inductees skipping the voting this year but most is a bit extreme. I can see guys like Pete Townsend skipping it and saying "I am sick of the whole bloody thing. Others like Eric Burdon and Grace Slick may easily skip it. But I happen to think people like Elton and Steve Tyler will Vote. They do NOT shun away from things. Others like Chrissy Hynde,Bono,the guys in Van Halen, Jeff Beck.Phil Collins(He is an inductee with Genesis) and Joan Jett all Voting.

Now who they Vote for is a Good question. I can surely see Phil Collins Vote for Janet J. as well as Stevie Nicks and Roxy Music. I am NOT going to sit here guessing all five Rock inductees will Vote for. But all those above are Rock inductees that I think will vote. You can decide who you think Chrissy Hynde, Bono and the others will Vote for

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 11/25/2018 @ 07:42am


@Ben,

I know, I just meant the ones who are like "THIS IS ROCK AND ROLL AND THIS ISN'T!" I don't think people like Bono and Chrissie are that judgmental though I do think their voting will be based on who they like the most. Like I can see Chrissie voting for Stevie and Bono possibly voting for Janet, you know?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/25/2018 @ 12:23pm


@Roy,

Not too many people predicted Def Leppard to be at the top of the heap and few really like them here.

I'm actually surprised at the Stevie and Todd ones but I guess I can't be THAT surprised about Stevie because of the huge "she got in with Fleetwood Mac" portion of the blog.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/25/2018 @ 12:24pm


Todd is now 69,888 votes away from Stevie.

Janet's now 21k more votes than Devo. She could get to 200k by the end of the fan vote.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 11/25/2018 @ 12:26pm


It is interesting to read the discussions on who may vote for who, and all the reasons why, and everyone makes a lot of great points and analysis. One thing I am wondering and has not been mentioned much, is the factor of opportunities that are currently present. What I am getting at, is will the voters cast for an artist that may not be possibly nominated again for quite some time, and would that notion help artists like Roxy Music, John Prine, or maybe longshot Devo. Everybody knows that Radiohead is great enough and will be in sooner than later, so why not cast that vote for a deserving band or artist that someone has relentlessly pursued to get nominated. I'm sure there is a lot of effort involved in that process. Is this something that sometimes hurts the chances of Janet J., The Cure, or LL Cool J.? Will voters consider passing on a band like Radiohead, and make them wait, in favor of their more favorite underrated artist, that may not get another chance in the near future. Many, many great bands and performers have had to wait, or are still waiting. Just seems like this would be another variable to consider affecting the voting process and outcome.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 11/25/2018 @ 22:16pm


Timothy,

That's right exactly. Chrissie Hynde and Bono are less judgmental so therefore would vote. I think we agree the Oldest Rockers like Pete Townsend, Grace Slick and Eric Clapton may Not vote. They will see the ballot and perhaps say THIS ISN'T ROCK & ROLL. They will probably see a bunch of the names and skip this ballot. I mean E Clapton seeing The Cure, Def Lep, Devo,Janet J., Kraftwerk , etc. will NOT be that appealing I would say. That's a good example.

I mentioned Eric C because he is my favorite guitarist of all time. I own most of his albums on CD. And Pete Townsend is in my Fav band of all time. I own every single Who album. I am also a huge fan of Neil Young and Pink Floyd. Those Rock inductees I love But may NOT Vote either perhaps.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 05:34am


Ben,

Yeah I can't see Eric voting for this class either. Good point. Also, no blues musicians so yeah he won't vote. I bet a lot of blues aficionados would also skip this year. They're probably the reason Paul Butterfield is a (posthumous) Hall of Famer.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 12:10pm


Todd and Stevie are now 68,738 votes from each other.

Just a few weeks ago, Stevie had over 80k votes over Todd. Amazing how Todd was able to get at least 12k votes while Stevie's fan votes seemed to have stalled. She's still at a comfortable position with over 367k votes so I guess it was worth it.

I wonder if Todd will make it to 300k before Stevie hits 370k? Looks likely now.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 12:13pm


Neil Young is not as out of touch with more recent music like I imagine Clapton, Pete Townshend, and the guys in Pink Floyd would be.

Neil Young was actually a major fan and supporter of Devo early in their career and even collaborated with them on his 1982 movie, Human Highway. I'd be shocked to see Neil not vote for them.

Neil was also a huge mentor for many in the 1990's Grunge scene (considering he's "The Godfather of Grunge"), so he did have a connection and rapport with a decent amount of 90's rock bands.

In addition to Devo, I can also picture Neil voting for possibly Todd Rundgren, Stevie Nicks, John Prine (peers of his), or groups like Radiohead and especially Rage Against the Machine. I imagine him appreciating Rage's politically outspoken approach to music. I think he'd also consider the Zombies and the MC5 considering they were also peers of his in the late 60's.

So I think there's plenty of acts on the ballot that Neil would consider. Clapton, on the other hand, not so much lol. Chaka Khan and/or the Zombies are the only acts I could see Clapton throwing a vote for.


As for Pete Townshend, I could see him voting for the Zombies (peers of the Who), Todd Rungren (I imagine Pete respecting Todd's renaissance approach to music and production abilities), Roxy Music (peers of the Who in the 70's in the British music scene), Stevie Nicks, and possibly Radiohead. Townshend is a fan of Pink Floyd, and more musicians that like Pink Floyd probably enjoy Radiohead to some extent (at least their 90's work, 2000's and beyond maybe not).

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 16:54pm


@
Donnie

David Gilmour admittedly once said Radiohead made some songs that were good to him despite his lack of interests in music that wasn’t part of his time - He probably voted for them twice.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 17:13pm


The "Todd" fans are cheating. The whole fan vote continues to be bogus. They're using a temporary email bot to generate a fake email address .... confirm it .... and vote. And then continue it daily.

And this is why Janet remains in sixth place. Her fans don't/won't cheat. It is what it is.

Just sayin'. The whole fan vote continues to be a sham. https://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/index.html?dswid=7315

Posted by Marissa on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 17:36pm


@Marissa,

How do you know they're cheating?

That's why they tried to fix it in the first place. Before 2016, you could vote to up to however millions there was until it was found out that Journey fans were doing it. I doubt the "Toddies" would do something like that.

And if one would accuse Janet of not being #6, Todd (who was #4 for a long time before he was able to get over The Cure), fans of the Zombies may be the ones you need to look into, not Todd's.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 18:46pm


MC Ren basically confirmed he voted for these five today:
Janet
Rufus & Chaka Khan
Kraftwerk
Rage Against the Machine
LL Cool J

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 18:54pm


I mean "accusing Janet of not being in the top five".

@Marissa,

Also, I wouldn't fret: it's not a guarantee that all of the top five will get in next year. I predict three of them to get inducted while two others will have to wait next year.

And I feel six inductees will be the number.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 19:15pm


Timothy Pernell,

I'm predicting that four of the top five acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies and The Cure) will get in this year while Stevie Nicks will be the one that misses out on induction this year, so in addition to Def Leppard, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies and The Cure, I'm also predicting that Janet Jackson and LL Cool J will round out this year's induction class (if six).

So once again, my final predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 19:34pm


I, for one, would love for your prediction to be right that the Cure, instead of Radiohead, will get in.

Though I can also see the possibility of the Cure getting in if Stevie is not picked and Todd is forced to get a back door induction, meaning of the three, you'd get Def Leppard, The Zombies and the Cure and then Janet and LL and whoever fits the sixth slot (Prine or Roxy maybe).

But I still feel they'll find a way to block the Cure's chances in the same way they blocked Nine Inch Nails'. After the fan vote where NIN was #2, I was happily confident they would get in and was shocked to learn they didn't. I probably was more pissed about them getting passed than anyone else that year.

But you may have a point about the Cure getting in over Radiohead since '90s bands, even the most loved, tend to get overlooked. I don't think Radiohead were nominated for the 2018 class either so yeah. The Cure still has a good chance.

If your prediction is right, I'm kissing your boot lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 22:47pm


HOF nominee John Prine's latest album shot back to the top of iTunes after CBS Sunday Morning interview. http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=314315&title=PRINE-TIME-TV

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 23:04pm


The jj propaganda is getting old!

The problem is not fans but artist paid for cheats. Something a certain family is known for.

jj fans do not care - just look at fan sites.

NADA

I do not buy into phoney balony sites

Did you know followers can be bought

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 11/26/2018 @ 23:29pm


No offense to Enig or others who Janet isn't their cup of tea, she is all but a shoo-in for the hall this time. I just can't believe the voters would whiff 2 years in a row on some of the biggest names who are needing to get in. I'd love to see the Cure or Todd Rundgren who are laughably overdue, but Janet is almost as guaranteed as the gentlemen from Sheffield...80s loud, 80s proud

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 02:20am


Now that the voting days are counting down (12 days and counting), I feel I can finally give more honest thoughts on WHY I picked who I picked to go in the 2019 class, why some folks will not go in yet and why some should stop being nominated for good before they wind up like CHIC.

First things first: the five inductees plus one (which is what I like to call it):

DEF LEPPARD - for a group some don't think were that much of an influential band, one thing that clears them - or two, is that they were probably the biggest group of '80s arena rock/hair metal (bigger than Van Halen) and another, they fill in the populist category though they're not an American act. Plus the fact that any act in the history of the fan vote who topped the fan vote was an automatic entry. To me, they seemed to be the surest inductees of this list of 15.

THE ZOMBIES - I put them as the second surest inductees now, whereas when this thing started in October, they were at least as low as #4. So I'm putting them in this particular order. The one barrier that had kept them from getting inducted (the inductions of the populist rockers) is no longer visible and the fact they're the strongest of the two '60s acts has already cleared the way for them. If they're not announced as inductees next month, something is a miss.

TODD RUNDGREN - the genius from Philadelphia has two scenarios, both would make him enter the Hall. He can be inducted as a performer or they could give him Musical Excellence. Here's why I think they probably will make him an actual inductee: the power, once again, of Paul Schaffer. Schaffer has already gotten credit for pushing the Zombies and it's likely he'll be two for two if he also nominated Todd for entry into the Hall. Another reason is while he has been known as a producer for other acts as well as a front man for Utopia and was a backing musician (and main songwriter) for Nazz, Todd always stood out as an overall figure. He never quite fits into any genre and that is true for most of the artists nominated in this list. So unlike most who think TR will be a Musical Excellence inductee, I think he'll surprise some by getting in as a performer.

JANET JACKSON - for most inductees, it took them two or three tries before they got in. This is Janet's third attempt. Her brother Michael was nominated twice before he got inducted in 2001; Michael and the other members of the Jackson 5 were nominated twice as well before they finally got in for the 1997 class. Janet will likely repeat her brothers. Not bad for someone who begged their brothers to have her open for them on their Victory tour and was denied some 34 years before! Also, 2018 has been seen as the year of Janet's redemption. Like suddenly, people who had dismissed Janet after the Super Bowl in 2004 suddenly were like "wait a minute, Janet Jackson IS a major pop force". She's gotten huge industry awards and a recent hit single (no small feat for a 52-year-old). Much like the Zombies, she has no populist act to worry about. And unlike her previous tries, in which five or six black artists were nominated, that obstacle has become a little easier to climb (Chaka and Rufus simply won't have enough votes and LL's chances are still questionable for me though some have him finally getting in this year - more on that later). Whether she gets in as one of the five or as a sixth one to "avoid controversy", I think this is finally her year.

STEVIE NICKS - I put her dead last. And yet, I feel she will get in, just on the basis that she's one of the most beloved figures of rock music and has been for the last 40 years. When the fan vote started, I predicted her to be a shoo-in. Why I'm a little fishy on that now is obvious: she lost her fan vote crown to Def Leppard. But I feel the Hall wants her to make history. Then again, Fleetwood Mac is gonna reprogram for some shows in April. Could that put a hex on her quest to make history in the Hall? But I'd say if Stevie's entry makes it easier for Tina to be a two-time inductee after her 80th birthday or makes it easier for Pat Benatar, the Go-Go's and/or Cyndi Lauper to get in... SO BE IT!

The possible SIXTH inductee:

Now this is one I've gone back on over and over and over. It's gone from Rage Against the Machine to Radiohead to John Prine to LL Cool J even. And I've finally stuck to WHO I think will be #6.

JOHN PRINE - only because virtually no one has picked him. Now they always say "go for your first instinct". This is like my fourth lol I think when your biggest cheerleaders are Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen, that just automatically puts you in. He might not get the votes to be a top 5 but he'll be in there. If Todd turns out to get a back door entry, he'll be among the other four performers already named.

However, that doesn't mean I'm closing the doors on a possible LL/Roxy Music/Radiohead/RATM induction that could end up taking Prine's votes away.

LL could get in because it's been a couple of years since they inducted a rap act. Also, the ceremony will be held in New York City (he's from Queens; the ceremony will take place in Brooklyn) so that still leaves an open if somehow the Hall upsets fans of Prine.

Roxy Music had a campaign led by their fans to push for entry as well and they're considered a "dark horse". Like an act you never expected people liked that much and that's mainly because of Bryan Ferry and Brian Eno. However, due to the enclave of Brit acts nominated, they'll still get lost in the fray but 2020 will open more doors for them to get in if they're picked again.

Radiohead and Rage Against the Machine are virtually the only acts to have emerged in the '90s. One advantage Rage has is, again, Radiohead is a UK act. We already got two UK acts in the top five that are shoo-ins, you need an American band? Rage could be the answer. Then again, the Hall seems to be anxious to get rid of their Radiohead problem so what's best but to nominate them and induct them, right? One huge problem though: Radiohead hates the Rock Hall and has mentioned often than not that if picked, they'd skip the ceremony becoming a controversial moment for the HOF. So could they get picked? Sure. Is it a sure thing? Not really. Also, another alternative act seems to be lurking in the bush: THE CURE.

I haven't totally closed my door on The Cure being inductee #6. But then again, there's the obstacle of "Jesus, how many British acts are you gonna induct?" The Cure is now in that "may get in next year" crowd. And I sure hope that's not the case. HOWEVER, if Todd somehow gets M.E., the door is suddenly open for them so it's possible three British acts could get in, which would be one too many for the Cleveland-based Hall of Fame. That would mean, in order for The Cure to get in, two things would have to happen: Todd not getting in as a performer and The Zombies actually MISSING the votes to get in! That scenario can happen even if I don't think it would. The Zombies have no obstacle, but they could decide not to induct them after all because then that gets The Cure out of the way. So who will show out for whom will be determined in a couple of weeks.

Now for my "try again next year, guys" list:

RUFUS AND CHAKA KHAN - in a perfect world, they would've gotten in the first year. They're gonna be the next Chic. And Chaka Khan could just go in as a solo performer even if many don't think her music "warrants" it, whatever that means. Some rock inductees could possibly vote for her but critics might not. They'd probably be more inclined to induct Janet, who had at least five critically acclaimed albums in her career whereas Chaka's albums were received as spotty. Despite their mid-'70s success, Rufus is also a mixed bag despite all of the members' respective reputations in the industry. Chicago's and Earth, Wind & Fire's inductions made it easier to recognize Rufus & CK but it won't get them in. Also, nominating Rufus and Chaka doesn't bode well for Chaka vs. Janet and Stevie Nicks. They'll get more chances but it'll probably still be a hard road to climb especially if we see more of the acts that many feel "hey you should've put them in long time ago" show up.

KRAFTWERK: Another act that would get the CHIC treatment. Hip-hop inductees like N.W.A. and Grandmaster Flash will vote for them. And even some artsy rock acts would check them as well. Some critics have also checked them. But it won't be enough. Also them being foreign among a list of foreign bands who make up the biggest number of bands nominated (three American bands versus four UK bands and a German band) goes against them. I wouldn't count them out as the Hall is likely to give them more chances but for now, they're a no-go.

DEVO: for as much respect they get from critics, this is likely an act that would have to wait another year. Devo would obviously lose votes against the other two '80s acts (The Cure and Def Leppard) so this wasn't a good time for them. They're more closer in getting in than Kraftwerk but not close enough. I predict they'll be inducted in 2020.

Of the fifteen, only one of them won't have a chance to appear again:

MC5: This is gonna be their last nomination. They'll just induct their "Kick Out the Jams" into their Hall of Fame (which would be well deserved because it's a kick-ass song) but they're more left of the guard than Todd is. Plus Rage Against the Machine, who MC5 paved the way for, would be more recognizable than MC5. In short, it's a wrap for them.

----
My dream picks would've been:
Janet
Todd
Rage Against the Machine
Def Leppard
Rufus & Chaka Khan
Roxy Music

November's almost over, thank God.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 02:50am


Timothy,

We essentially agree with our predictions. The only difference is I place John Prine in the 5 inductees with Janet as the sixth. As we discussed there are some Rock inductees that could hurt her chance. I dig the chat about Rock Inductees that may skip Voting this year. A couple of you responded to my Eric Clapton example.

As an All time Neil Young fan I know that Neil embraced Devo in the early 80s. I know about the Human Highway movie of 1982. Also, Trans, even though I consider it one of his worst I feel was partly inspired by Devo and other new wave bands. This would mean Neil could vote for Kraftwerk but in 2018 I think he is way past that interest in electronic music. That was back in 1982. He was interested in Country music and in the 90s had a strong interest in Grunge. Hey he made an album with Pearl Jam. He is voting certainly for Rage ATM. Not Radiohead though. They are not Grunge.

As far as John Prine, he has huge support from Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Neil Young, James Taylor and Jackson Browne. That guarantees him a win right there I would think. We have the same thinking on Mr. Prine.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 05:36am


K-Dawg

I will repeat

R
The jj propaganda is getting old.

Show-in?

What artists are going to vote for her other than her brothers and Diana Ross?

jj major force - please stop the jokes.

NOT POP - ROCK AND ROLL

understand the difference?


She would have been in my snowball chance in hell list except for one thing.

CHEATING!!!!



Chaka and John Prine have a lot more support then most people on here realize.


What inductee was a student of the Old Town School of music? Bet he votes for John.

Bet Eric votes for Chaka. Go look up All Music.

John will get votes for himself - I have already given 3 plus there is more.

Nice start to a list of votes he will get because of his buddy, Steve. There is more.

People on here need to read and not wishful think.



Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 07:01am


Of course, it is only my opinion, but who do I think will be inducted?

John Prine (they would not have nominated him if they did not think he had a chance, plus the Rock Hall loves quirky songwriters)
Todd Rundgren (I think that Todd will receive the award for musical excellence)
The Zombies
Roxy Music (I am really surprised by how many votes they have getting lately from rock journalists)
Def Leppard (due primarily to their huge lead in the fan vote)
Stevie Nicks (the First Lady to join the Clyde McPhatter Club)
The Cure (the younger generation also want them in)
If 7:
* Rufus with Chaka Khan (please keep in mind that there are many older r & b artists who will most probably vote for them, plus the Rock Hall really wants them to get in.)

Long shots:

Radiohead (yeah, they could still possibly get in)
Kraftwerk (you never know, plus a critical favorite)
Janet Jackson (if nominated again, expect her to face Sade)

Not likely at this time:

MC5
R.A.T.M.
LL Cool J
Devo


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 09:51am


Who do I really want to see inducted from this list?

Stevie Nicks
Roxy Music
The Zombies
Kraftwerk
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren (for musical excellence)

*The Cure

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 09:58am


I think the only way R&CK could even benefit from a Hall of Fame INDUCTION is if a lot of the older R&B inductees were still ALIVE. It's a mistake to assume the only folks that would vote for Janet for example would be the younger HOF inductees and just them only... R&CK wouldn't benefit from a nonpartisan voting bloc, I don't think.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 10:21am


@Ben,

Yeah I think Prine has it in the bag. I'd be shocked if he didn't get it now but let's wait and see, of course.

What we THINK will happen may not happen at all. A lot of scenarios can occur.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 10:23am


Eng

Look into Rufuse's history.

Not r&b

garage band and rock

Chaka is not the only one to look at.

Loo into Hawk Wolinski. He worked a lot with Danny of Chicago. the band Thwy are part of a tight group.


Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 10:29am


Timmy

Let's get it straight. What you think will happen will not.

Unlike you I have actually done some research. John's friend, Steve Goodman is one of my pet projects.

Look into it. I think you will be surprised.

There are some interesting interviews out there.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 10:36am


Timothy Pernell,

My final predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are still the same as before and they are:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

All six of those acts that I just mentioned are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) will be this year's induction class (if six).

I really hope that you (along with everyone else) are wrong about Stevie Nicks getting inducted this year, I really hope that she gets passed over and doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone simply because I frankly don't feel her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus she's already in with Fleetwood Mac, so I'm not seeing how she merits a second induction and because of that, I simply don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction, plus I just can't see the Rock Hall inducting two female solo artists in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become 2-time inductees more so than Stevie as well, besides I really think that most of the voters are very aware of her already being an inductee with Fleetwood Mac and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career, I think that most will know she's already inducted and if they really think about her solo career, they could have second doubts and the writers that vote?, I just can't see many of them falling for this, they know that her solo discography doesn't merit this award and like Sting, the solo career won't pass the smell test, so I really think that Stevie will be the one artist that misses out on induction this year out of the top six acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, The Cure and Janet Jackson).

As for John Prine, I just don't think that he deserves a Performer induction, so I really think that the Rock Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being a songwriter/composer, his nomination as a Performer this year does an injustice to other '70s singer-songwriters that have not been nominated yet and were much more well-known, namely Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Carly Simon, and Jim Croce. he's easily the most obscure artist on the ballot this year and with the possible exception of Bad Brains, maybe that the Hall has ever nominated and he said in a interview with Billboard a couple of weeks ago that he thinks that The Zombies should go in before him and I agree with him absolutely on it, so I think that he's more likely to either get a backdoor induction via either the Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement (aka Non-Performer) or the Musicial Excellence category for his songwriting, rather than get an induction as a Performer or get inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame first (he was recently announced as a 2019 Songwriters Hall of Fame nominee).

So that's why I'm predicting and I really think that The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 11:05am


Richie,

I wish I was wrong about Stevie but I have a feeling they'll give it to her anyway. The Hall has a habit of thinking they're being logical by inducting semi-popular legends than the really big name ones.

That said, I think it's still pretty possible for her to get in. She may or may not. Prine surely has a better chance of getting in than her if we're going on buzz right now. I put Stevie dead last this time so there is a possibility that even with a good number of inductees vying to vote for her that it won't be enough for her. It's possible!

As for John Prine, I'm relying on his buzz plus the support he's gotten from rock's elites as to him getting in. It's also possible he could still get in through the back door but he's made more headlines as a singer than simply a songwriter.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 13:44pm


Timothy Pernell,

For the last time, my final predictions for this year's induction class (if six) are:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

But I would also be okay with Radiohead, Roxy Music, and longshots Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Devo, Kraftwerk and MC5 getting in this year as well, just as long as both Stevie Nicks and John Prine (the two least deserving acts on the ballot this year IMO) don't get in this year, I'll be okay with it.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 16:33pm


Richie

In noway is John Prine the least deserving. You are making an uninformed decision based on your tastes.

Do you even check which inductee was an Old Town School of Folk Music student.

hint he was in a 60s group that was very well known

I do not know if any of these post 70s people even deserved a nom

NO INFLUENCE ON ROCK AND ROLL

They need to go elsewhere - not here

Granted there are a few more well known folk artist - he is folk - therwe is no dsputing this

Americana is a bogus genre with no cohesive elements

John Prine is not a critics artist - I never heard such nonsense.

He is an artist's artist. He is very well known to artist.

I would not be surprised if he ended up with the most artist votes. Yes he is that well known.

Please stop disrespecting me. If you are going to dispute my research at least do me the courtesy of checking your backing. I was kind enough to let you know where to look.

You have a very strong mother who backed you up.
I would expect you to show some respect for a 60 year woman.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 16:58pm


Zuzu,

I have to disagree with you about John Prine, I just don't think that he deserves induction, I just think that his nomination this year was such a wasted one and I really think that his spot should have went to one of the following acts that I'm going to mention:

Patsy Cline
Willie Nelson
Dolly Parton
Loretta Lynn
Merle Haggard
George Jones
Glen Campbell
Conway Twitty
Waylon Jennings
Buck Owens
Kris Kristofferson
Gram Parsons
Emmylou Harris
Steve Earle
Lucinda Williams
Garth Brooks
Shania Twain
Warren Zevon
Harry Nilsson
Carole King
Carly Simon
Jim Croce

All of those acts that I just mentioned are either other Country/Americana acts or other '70s singer-songwriters and they all are much more well-known and much more deserving of induction than Prine IMO, and one of them really should have taken his spot on the ballot this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 17:15pm


Zuzu,

I'm sorry for I didn't mean to disrespect you in any way. You are entitled to your opinion and so am I. Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 17:25pm


Richie

You have nothing to back up him not being deserving.

Come on


Dolly Parton
Loretta Lynn
Merle Haggard
George Jones
Conway Twitty
Buck Owens
Gram Parsons
Steve Earle
Lucinda Williams
Garth Brooks
Shania Twain
Warren Zevon
Harry Nilsson
Carole King
Carly Simon
Jim Croce

You need to look into these people. None of these impacted rock and roll. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT FOLK - STOP DISRESPECTING ME. I have researched and you have not.

You also missed Kenny Rogers and Dottie West

Where are folk artist and do not list faux folk like Carol King. These corporate hacks are frauds with corporate faked resumes. If you looked into it you find that they are looked down on by artist.

Richie how many artist votes do you think John Prine will get. I would estimate in the area of 50 to 70.

So what about answering my question about the inductee. You did not even look it up did you. You just repeated your list based on person taste with no research.

I am basing my list on connections.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 17:40pm


Hi Zuzu, This is Richie's Mom replying back to you. Richie has already apologised to you for any disrespect you feel he has given you. It was never intended. Richie does however have the right to his opinions & many of his friends on Twitter agree with him. He respects now the fact that you have your opinions as well. He has never meant any harm towards you so can we please now just move on & not take time away from all who wish to post on this awesome site. Thank you & many blessings.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 18:02pm


Sherry isn't it

Richie is entitled to an opinion certainly. The problem is there is a lot of misinformation out here. I have given him leads on where to find the info I talk about and he becomes more informed.

I felt I was disrespected when he did not look up one of the sites I mentioned. In particular the Old Town School of Folk Music.

I am a 60 year old women who was exposed to several varieties of folk as a child.

One of my pet projects is Steve Goodman (I have put up info under his name), a good friend of John Prine. I have done research and validated my sources along the way. I have told him where to look so he can see for himself.

Right now I suspect that a few alter egos are hanging around. I do not have substantial proof but I am noticing similar speech patterns and ideology markings.

I grew up in Chicago and I know people who are from the same neighborhoods as several artists. I also know the political gossip that was making the rounds. I knew what PC said about rs from thew rumor mill.

Being from the old neighborhood still carries weight around here.

Right now I have been very sick and have been going through some hard procedures. There are a few people on here that I would question and I suspect you might too.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 19:34pm


Can we PLEASE get back on topic? o_O

Anyways...

Here's how the votes stand for the top six in the fan vote so far:

1. Def Leppard - 471,090 votes
2. Stevie Nicks - 372,929 votes
3. Todd Rundgren - 305,581 votes
4. The Zombies - 266,890 votes
5. The Cure - 229,043 votes
6. Janet Jackson - 181,983 votes

My thoughts on where each one could land with less than two weeks go as follows:

Def Leppard may get to 500k.
Todd is still getting a lot of push from his base and others who are probably told he's nominated.
Janet is now less than 19k votes away from the magical 200k threshold...

Will be interesting to see what they do this week and next.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 20:10pm


@ Tim

I was expecting Def Leppard to get more than a million fan votes like Bon Jovi, but it's not gonna happen. Maybe their fan size is slightly smaller or the band wasn't active enough to keep the campaign rolling on social media. But they'll get in nonetheless.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 20:20pm


Timmy

Still do not know which inductee went to the Old Town School of Music. More important than fan vote numbers - especially in a year in which the Beatles farting gets more attention than noms.

Yes let'a get on topic - analyzing who are getting artist votes. Too much trying to list favorites as if tastes will get an induction.

Joe Walsh is holding his nose. Who else is? That is a strong indication fan vote will not matter. I think it could be as low as 1 or 2. I still have not finished my analysis.

There are too many noms this year that will get very few artist votes.

There are also too many corporate brown nosers that are not respected.

Who is the nom com trying to push?

I would not be surprised if a do over is done.

The !!it is going to hit the fan. This may be the year.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 20:52pm


DL (and the rest of the top six) benefited from the lack of populist U.S. rock acts because most of them were basically inserted to the Hall in quick succession.

I think the votes as we see them are what they are. This year doesn't include acts like Iron Maiden or Judas Priest or even a solo Ozzy Osbourne as this is aimed more at critic's choices and less big name acts (Janet being the biggest of this list).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 20:53pm


Janet signs with the Paradigm Talent Agency.
http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=314332&title=PARADIGM

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 11/27/2018 @ 20:55pm


Timothy,

I agree with what you say about Stevie Nicks. She doesn't have an amazing Solo career. After Belladonna she had a few other albums in the 80s. Some of her other solo albums in the 80s did somewhat Well at the time but are not masterpieces.I think she she will be inducted anyway . Thats because she is familiar name,

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 11/28/2018 @ 05:36am


Ben,

Yeah Stevie's career post Fleetwood Mac's heyday leaves a lot to be desired. Bella Donna is considered her only really good album. But because she's a familiar name, they'll put her in. I mean it's not like she DOESN'T deserve it but in terms of the definitions, she already was in for Fleetwood Mac and that should've been enough for her. But I guess they figured "why not? Let's nominate and try to put her in" and that's what is going on. But I wouldn't be surprised either way if she gets in or not this year because we will know the reasons why she DID get in and why she DIDN'T.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 11/28/2018 @ 13:03pm


richie,

I have noticed your posts. It's been awhile since since I sent a post for you. Ive had hard times. I am sure you read that my Dad passed away in Sept. He was 86 years old. I have noticed your posts. I am still firmly predicting John Prine. I feel that there is more people in the Hall that like him than people think.

However, I do have to say you have an impressive list of Country and Folk acts. Merle Haggard, Gram Parsons,Lucinda Williams, Garth Brooks and Warren Zevon are rather deserving and various others you listed. Its too many to mention. A whole lot of voters may Vote in John Prine on the merits of being a semi known singer/songwriter but many of the ones you list could have been picked instead. You have good knowledge even though we differ over John Prine.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 11/29/2018 @ 06:09am


Ben,

Tom Lane made his predictions for this year's inductees on his blog a few days ago and he said that John Prine is a beloved figure among his peers but that he doesn't think that there's enough of them to put him in right away.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/29/2018 @ 10:24am


Ben,

Tom Lane made his predictions for this year's inductees on his blog a few days ago and he said that John Prine is a beloved figure among his peers but that he doesn't think that there's enough of them to put him in right away.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/29/2018 @ 10:24am


I'm figuring that it's hard to predict what can seriously happen. Prine may surprise me if he isn't inducted right away. That would mean an upset of some sort. This is probably the hardest list to predict who will go in.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 11/29/2018 @ 12:46pm


There is one name that can keep Stevie from getting votes. This involves the anger of artist of holding their noses with nom com garbage. I think !!it may hit the fan. Start listening to what the artist that vote say. What others want do not really count at this point. Brown nosers with ballots will not turn the tide. Look at what has happened in the past. From things that the artist it is obvious that they think think the nom com is fudging figures.

nom com is resisting oversight. Gee I wonder what they are hiding.

Pat Benetar - her name has been consistently mentioned.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 11/29/2018 @ 13:07pm


My predictions for the final inductees are as follows:


Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren
The Cure
Janet Jackson
The Zombies (changed from Kraftwerk)
Stevie Nicks

Who I would prefer:

Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren
The Cure
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
Radiohead

Nothing against Stevie, but she is a better collaborator than independent solo artist, and if we are going to get a repeat female nominee, it should be like Tina Turner, or another solo powerhouse that trail blazed like Pat Benatar or Kate Bush. I welcome all feedback, even conspiracy theorist rhetoric lol. (Edit: The Zombies don't really belong as a 2 hit wonder, but unfortunately the committee seems to think anyone attached to the harder rock side of the Brit invasion deserves to go in. I would counter Herman's Hermits is much more worthy, had WAY more than 2 hits, and innovated more than Zombies)


Reposted for posterity

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 11/29/2018 @ 17:14pm


K-Dawg,

Great picks! Your list mirrors mine and I agree with you on Def Leppard, Todd Rundgren, The Cure, Janet Jackson and The Zombies. but instead of Stevie Nicks, I have LL Cool J, As much as I love Stevie, I really think that most of the voters are very aware of her already being an inductee with Fleetwood Mac and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career, I think that most will know she's already inducted and if they really think about her solo career, they could have second doubts and the writers that vote?, I just can't see many of them falling for this, they know that her solo discography doesn't merit this award and like Sting, the solo career won't pass the smell test.

So my final predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 11/29/2018 @ 19:41pm


@K-Dawg:

The first five would be my personal picks with Rufus & Chaka being in the position of Stevie. :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/30/2018 @ 02:00am


Of course, it is only my opinion, but who do I think will be inducted?

John Prine (they would not have nominated him if they did not think he had a chance, plus the Rock Hall loves quirky songwriters)
Todd Rundgren (I honestly think that Todd will receive the award for musical excellence)
The Zombies (I really like two songs by them: ‘She’s Not There’ and ‘Time Of The Season).
Roxy Music (I am really surprised by how many votes they have been getting lately from rock journalists. They definitely deserve induction for “Country Life” and “Avalon.” However, I still feel that Duran Duran should have already been inducted, as well).
Def Leppard (due primarily to their huge lead in the fan vote)
Stevie Nicks (the First Lady to join the Clyde McPhatter Club)
The Cure (the younger generation also want them in)
If 7:
* Rufus with Chaka Khan (please keep in mind that there are many older r & b artists who will most probably vote for them, plus the Rock Hall really wants them to get in.)

Long shots:

Radiohead (yeah, they could still possibly get in)
Kraftwerk (you never know, plus a critical favorite)
Janet Jackson (if nominated again, expect her to face Sade)

Not likely at this time:

MC5
R.A.T.M.
LL Cool J
Devo


Of course, I am extremely disappointed that neither Jethro Tull, nor Procol Harum, nor Duran Duran had made this final nominees list. Maybe next year these three artists and of course, Sade will finally receive their due.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 11/30/2018 @ 09:50am


Might as well give my 2 cents. Think there will be 5, plus the 'Musical Excellence' one.

Who I think will get in:

Def Leppard
John Prine
Stevie Nicks
The Zombies
Janet Jackson
ME: Todd Rundgren

Who I would pick:

Janet Jackson
The Cure
Def Leppard
LL Cool J
Kraftwerk
ME: John Prine

Posted by paul in KY on Friday, 11/30/2018 @ 10:19am


Janet's less than 13k from 200k votes.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 11/30/2018 @ 13:38pm


My final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

1.) The Cure (it's past time for an 80's alternative band/act to get in and they just celebrated their 40th anniversary this year, so I really think that if they get in this year, they would break the 80's alternative logjam for sure and I really think that it's going to happen this year)

2.) Def Leppard (this year's fan vote winner plus they are the only populist Clasic Rock act that's on the ballot this year so they are a shoo-in for induction this year)

3.) Janet Jackson (she will be the token female representative this year plus she's had a big comeback year this year with many industry awards including the Billboard Icon Award at the Billboard Music Awards, the Impact Award at the Radio Disney Music Awards, the Rock Star Award at the Black Girls Rock event, being named a BMI Icon at the BMI R&B/Hip-Hop Awards and more recently, being named a Global Icon at the MTV Europe Music Awards and she's also had a big world tour and other publicity this year as well, so I just think that it's her time for induction this year)

4.) LL Cool J (his recent Kennedy Center Honor plus the ceremony's back in NYC (his hometown) this year and he's also the only Rap/Hip-Hop act on the ballot this year for the second year in a row, so I really think that it's finally his year for induction this year)

5.) Todd Rundgren (well-known singer-songwriter who is highly well-respected by his peers and he will go in right away just like Steve Miller, Jeff Lynne and Mark Knopfler)

6.) The Zombies (it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year and they are truly one of the last '60s acts that really needs to go in, so I really think that it's finally their year for induction this year)

Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement/Musical Excellence:

John Prine (I think that he will be inducted through either one of those categories, I really think that the Rock Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being an influential songwriter/composer, so this is where I expect him to get inducted and he'll get a backdoor induction this year via either one of those categories)

Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

1.) Radiohead (in all reality, they should be a shoo-in, but they still have too much controversy from last year going for them and the Rock Hall certainly doesn't want a repeat of last year's Dire Straits situation, so I think that their lack of enthusiasm and continued apathy towards the Rock Hall will keep them out once again this year, Still, I think that they're a Wild Card/Dark Horse pick this year in spite of everything)

2.) Roxy Music (Brian Eno and Bryan Ferry are both highly well-respected in the music industry but the problem that I have with Roxy Music is because that they were more popular overseas than they were in America and because of that, they'll be hurt by it and they are probably too British for the voters at this point, plus as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't guarantee an automatic induction and I'm kind of certain that not a lot of people know that Brian Eno was once a member of Roxy Music as well, other than Janet Jackson. Roxy Music has more support/buzz than almost anyone else nominated this year but I don't think that it'll be enough for them to get inducted this year, they'll get in eventually but I think that it will take them a couple of nominations before they get an induction, Still, like Radiohead, I think that they're a Wild Card/Dark Horse pick this year as well)



As for the rest:

Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan won't get in this year but most of them (except for MC5 who are more likely to get inducted via the Singles category now) will get in at some point.

I really hope that everyone is wrong about Stevie Nicks getting inducted this year, I really hope that she gets passed over and doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone simply because I frankly don't feel her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus she's already in with Fleetwood Mac, so I'm not seeing how she merits a second induction and because of that, I simply don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction, plus I just can't see the Rock Hall inducting two female solo artists in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become 2-time inductees more so than Stevie as well, besides I really think that most of the voters are very aware of her already being an inductee with Fleetwood Mac and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career, I think that most will know she's already inducted and if they really think about her solo career, they could have second doubts and the writers that vote?, I just can't see many of them falling for this, they know that her solo discography doesn't merit this award and like Sting, the solo career won't pass the smell test, so I really think that Stevie will be the one artist that misses out on induction this year out of the top six acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, The Cure and Janet Jackson).

So that's why all six of those acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/30/2018 @ 13:42pm


My final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

1.) The Cure (it's past time for an 80's alternative band/act to get in and they just celebrated their 40th anniversary this year, so I really think that if they get in this year, they would break the 80's alternative logjam for sure and I really think that it's going to happen this year)

2.) Def Leppard (this year's fan vote winner plus they are the only populist Classic Rock act that's on the ballot this year so they are a shoo-in for induction this year)

3.) Janet Jackson (she will be the token female representative this year plus she's had a big comeback year this year with many industry awards including the Billboard Icon Award at the Billboard Music Awards, the Impact Award at the Radio Disney Music Awards, the Rock Star Award at the Black Girls Rock event, being named a BMI Icon at the BMI R&B/Hip-Hop Awards and more recently, being named a Global Icon at the MTV Europe Music Awards and she's also had a big world tour and other publicity this year as well, so I just think that it's her time for induction this year)

4.) LL Cool J (his recent Kennedy Center Honor plus the ceremony's back in NYC (his hometown) this year and he's also the only Rap/Hip-Hop act on the ballot this year for the second year in a row, so I really think that it's finally his year for induction this year)

5.) Todd Rundgren (well-known singer-songwriter and record producer who is highly well-respected by his peers and he will go in right away just like Steve Miller, Jeff Lynne and Mark Knopfler)

6.) The Zombies (it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year and they are truly one of the last '60s acts that really needs to go in, so I really think that it's finally their year for induction this year)

Ahmet Ertegun Award for Lifetime Achievement/Musical Excellence:

John Prine (I think that he will be inducted through either one of those categories, I really think that the Rock Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being an influential songwriter/composer, so this is where I expect him to get inducted and he'll get a backdoor induction this year via either one of those categories)


Wild Cards/Dark Horses:

1.) Radiohead (in all reality, they should be a shoo-in, but they still have too much controversy from last year going for them and the Rock Hall certainly doesn't want a repeat of last year's Dire Straits situation, so I think that their lack of enthusiasm and continued apathy towards the Rock Hall will keep them out once again this year, Still, I think that they're a Wild Card/Dark Horse pick this year in spite of everything)

2.) Roxy Music (Brian Eno and Bryan Ferry are both highly well-respected in the music industry but the problem that I have with Roxy Music is because that they were more popular overseas than they were in America and because of that, they'll be hurt by it and they are probably too British for the voters at this point, plus as shown with Eurythmics last year, being loved by many living inductees doesn't guarantee an automatic induction and I'm kind of certain that not a lot of people know that Brian Eno was once a member of Roxy Music as well, other than Janet Jackson. Roxy Music has more support/buzz than almost anyone else nominated this year but I don't think that it'll be enough for them to get inducted this year, they'll get in eventually but I think that it will take them a couple of nominations before they get an induction, Still, like Radiohead, I think that they're a Wild Card/Dark Horse pick this year as well)

As for the rest:

Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Rage Against The Machine and Rufus With Chaka Khan won't get in this year but most of them (except for MC5 who are more likely to get inducted via the Singles category now) will get in at some point.

I really hope that everyone is wrong about Stevie Nicks getting inducted this year, I really hope that she gets passed over and doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone simply because I frankly don't feel her solo career warrants a solo induction, plus she's already in with Fleetwood Mac, so I'm not seeing how she merits a second induction and because of that, I simply don't feel her solo career is that noteworthy for a second induction, plus I just can't see the Rock Hall inducting two female solo artists in the Performers category in the same year and Janet Jackson clearly has more momentum and support right now than Stevie and I would also rather see Carole King and Tina Turner become 2-time inductees more so than Stevie as well, besides I really think that most of the voters are very aware of her already being an inductee with Fleetwood Mac and probably not all that reverent towards her solo career, I think that most will know she's already inducted and if they really think about her solo career, they could have second doubts and the writers that vote?, I just can't see many of them falling for this, they know that her solo discography doesn't merit this award and like Sting, the solo career won't pass the smell test, so I really think that Stevie will be the one artist that misses out on induction this year out of the top six acts on the fan ballot this year (Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, The Cure and Janet Jackson).

So that's why all six of those acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 11/30/2018 @ 14:40pm


richie,

Your picks are fine. I disagree with a couple but they are all feasible. The Cure have the best chance they ever had. Although a lot of the Voting body has Old music veterans there are rock xritics Voting that are easily voting for the Cure. I left them out of my picks because I still think there is too many veterans that don't get them. I myself never got them much. I did own Disintegration on tape in 1989 but eventually tossed it. In the 80s I was listening to my Gr Dead, Eric Clapton,etc,etc And Also a bunch of Van Halen,Billy Squier and Aerosmith,etc etc. A lot of my College friends were big fans of the Cure.

Def Leppard,Todd Rundgren and the Zombies are also picks of mine. Janet Jackson has a good chance. She is my sixth inductee. LL Cool J I disagree with. I am not a Rap fan but he does not seem to have enough strong support from what I observe. I could be wrong.

Radiohead will skipped over I strongly feel.You tend to agree.They do have too much controversy. Their apathy to the Rock Hall is well known now. In fact they announced their refusal to attend last year late in the Voting but a lot of Voters were NOT digging them at all.

Those are some thoughts on your list. Not a bad list. We shall see what happens. Do you happen to know when the announcement may come for the 2019 Inductees? You are good at knowing those things.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 06:57am


It is now December and in slightly less than 2 weeks, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five, (Roxy Music, Radiohead, The Zombies, Kraftwerk and The Zombies) Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.



Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 07:34am


It is now December and in slightly less than 2 weeks, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five, (Roxy Music, Radiohead, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk and The Zombies) Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 07:41am


Now that it's December, I can finally be confident about who I think will enter the Hall. I've done this over and over again but before, I wasn't entirely too sure of.

So running everything down, here's who I think will finally be enshrined in the class of 2019:

1.) Def Leppard (I think this is really the only surefire winner of the 15 nominees on the list just on the basis that every one who won the fan vote automatically was inducted. No doubt fans are influencing who gets in the Hall now)

2.) The Zombies (I put them up this high because I feel like with no real obstacles in their way as far as being a '60s act, they really have nothing holding them back this time so they'll finally get in even if it means a bigger British Invasion group like Herman's Hermits will get in last)

3.) Janet Jackson ("she is not a traditional rocker" yadda yadda yadda... yeah, so wasn't Madonna or Donna Summer (RIP) but that didn't stop them so this shouldn't stop her either. I think the politics of now have made it easier for her and another woman to get in and speaking of that other woman...)

4.) Stevie Nicks (now there's a good chance they may wait on her but I doubt it, I think she'll be the female Clyde McPhatter soon; if only her induction paves the way for a bigger female rock and roll pioneer like Tina Turner to get a solo induction, I'm all for it)

5.) Todd Rundgren (no Musical Excellence for him, he'll get in as a Performer. I can already see a Beatle inducting him already. Todd is one of those "what took you so long" nominees so on the purpose, he's getting in there)

6.) John Prine (only because singer-songwriters are always automatically inducted, he'll be my sixth pick)

----
An inductee list of two bands, two male solo artist and two female solo artists look really possible and Janet will be this year's black act to get in.

Nice but next time folks:

1.) The Cure (they're high on the fan vote but I disagree with Richie that they'll get picked this year. I don't think they really cared either way though but they will finally get in around 2020)

2.) LL Cool J (There will be a three-year gap, just like it was for Run DMC and the Beastie Boys - Run DMC got inducted in 2009; the Beasties in 2012; last rap act to get inducted was 2Pac and that was 2017, LL may have another chance in 2020 in Cleveland)

3.) Roxy Music (they had a big campaign for them but they'll fall up short...unless the Hall decides Brian Eno deserves M.E.; I actually think the Hall nominated them just so they can induct Eno, but we'll see)

4.) Rage Against the Machine (they'll get in... just not now)

5.) Radiohead (same with them. I don't think this band exerts any confidence with anyone for an induction now considering the controversy last year)

6.) Devo (if this was any other year where Janet, Stevie. Todd and the Zombies weren't included, they'll be a shoo-in but I don't think any American bands are gonna be inducted this year)

The "we'll try again but don't count on an induction" list:

1.) Rufus & Chaka Khan (Chaka MAY get in after Janet and Stevie; but Rufus probably will be left out; don't count on Rufus being nominated again but Chaka will show up solo on a future ballot and may finally have enough votes to get in)

2.) Kraftwerk (they'll get in but it won't be as Performers. Look for them to get in for M.E. in the future; they'll be the first group to do so)

The "let's just induct their song because we have no serious inclination of inducting them" act:

MC5 ("Kick Out the Jams" will undoubtedly be inducted to the Singles portion of the Hall of Fame but as their own act, it's too late for them, they'll put them in the back burner like the Meters and War)

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 14:27pm


timmy

opinion ds & jj are rock and important


fact they are not and there are women on the sidelines that actually deserve noms not these overrated propaganda lies



GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT - PROPAGANDA IS NOT FACT BASED - THIS IS GETTING OLD

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 15:10pm


Y'all are aware that this can end up being another classic rock class, right?


Imagine that we get just five Performer inductees and nobody getting backdoored that was nominated this year. The five could end up being:

Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies
The Cure or Radiohead or Roxy Music


Once again, black artists are ignored entirely and the voters have essentially picked the most palatable class of Classic Rock radio names, and potentially, an A-list newly eligible in Radiohead. Such a result would show just HOW potent the classic rock vote happens to be in the balloting - that even when you don't nominate any names that QUITE fit the standard Classic Rock radio criteria (like Bad Company or Doobie Brothers), the next closest names are being inducted.

And my eerie prediction isn't all that improbable...those first four names I listed seem to be on most people's guess lists. I actually think 6 of those 7 will be inducted with Rundgren getting in via M.E. and Nicks being left out in the cold (which in turn will bring back the accusation of gender bias among the voters).

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 16:05pm


Casper

This is a garbage ticket and not having deserving black artist is a problem as is getting some to people to admit that being black means superior music. It would also help if to have noms be important to r&r and too many have zip to to with it. Stop the propaganda and racist sexist memes against WHITE WOMEN - WHO ARE MUCH MORE UNDER REPRESENTED AND HAVE DESERVING WAITING ON THE SIDE LINES.

Some ignorant person said so what if the woman is black - but blacks are not as under represented as whites are onm black heavy genres - uhm interesting

The more deserving should get the nom

Patsy Cline did more for women than Aretha Franklin but racist insist that the hall cover up the truth that country was very much a part of early r&r not rb as the propagandist are touting

THE BULLING NEEDS TO STOP SO THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 16:56pm


That is does not mean superior if black - that is so racist.

The big problem is too many look to see that the skin tone is dark enough before pouring on undeserved or overrated praise.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 17:00pm


Casper,

That suggests that each and every one of the folks who won the fan vote's top five will get in and that's not even guaranteed at this point.

Last time there was a full classic rock class was in 2014. I don't know if it grants a repeat.

Not saying this won't happen. That's definitely another scenario that can occur, but nothing is pointing to that. Or maybe it's my bias suggesting it.

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 17:14pm


Fan vote update (top six):

DL - 492540 Votes
Stevie - 387437 Votes
Todd - 323054 Votes
Zombies - 283498 Votes
The Cure - 237986 Votes
Janet - 189423 Votes

Def Leppard's likely to surpass 50k by next Tuesday at the least. Stevie will make 40k around next Wednesday. Todd and Stevie are now separated by 64k votes. Todd's almost 40k above the Zombies. Janet will likely make the 200k threshold before the December 9th deadline.

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 17:17pm


You are a sad old woman & no one gives a f*ck what you think.

Go away.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 21:11pm


Paul

What didn't your sexist racist self get to push a white woman under the bus.


Your behavior is such a sad display of immaturity. You need to grow up and start behaving as an adult.


Your behavior is ignorant and inappropriate. Your behavior toward me has been nothing short of offensive and disrespectful. Do not know about Herb Kent - have the nerve to tell me there is no such thing as dusties. Can't stand on your own but need a bully squad to chase away people who tell the truth while you lie. Who is pathetic?

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 21:42pm


So guys, I got a question, if you have to pick just three of the artists who are in the top 5 who you think the Hall will pick, which one will it be (and that's besides Def Leppard)?

Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies
The Cure

And just note: never in the history of the fan vote did any artist who placed the top five did all five get in at the same time and to predict so isn't truthful.

So if the Hall was to pick just three of the top five minus anyone below #5, which of the three Y'ALL think will get in?

Just a nice fun game to kill the time and avoid unnecessary drama. :)

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/1/2018 @ 22:47pm


Lost in the shuffle of all this who should vs who will get in, on a personal note, I am beyond excited that Def Leppard will taste the Cleveland champagne. For me, Hysteria is the album that really introduced me to an electronic sound for heavy metal, and "Rocket" "Pour Some Sugar On Me", and "Love Bites", in particular, were staples of school dances and good times. They get thrown around being lumped as just an "arena rock" band, but they justifiably are heavy metal, they are hard rock, and they are badazz. I've already mentioned the determination of Rick Allen to come all the way back after losing his arm to become one of the best drummers of his era, handicap or no handicap. The only knock is they seem to have lost their edge as the 90s hit, but they've never stopped touring, and they've never stopped trying. Not the most popular opinion, but Def Leppard belongs.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 12/2/2018 @ 00:59am


I'm with you on that, K-Dawg.

I thought I was the only one excited for Def Leppard. I'm a black guy that grew up listening to them and watching their videos on MTV. Compared to a lot of the arena rock acts out, they had actual GREAT songs that had melody and harmony when most "arena rock" were just anthems that you head banged to and nothing else (not that that's bad or anything). Not to mention they weren't chauvinistic pigs like a Motley Crue or Van Halen or whatever. When you're an act that can attract the fellas AND the ladies, you got a great act, period. Joe Elliott is probably one of the best front men in rock period. Steve Clark (RIP) was a great guitarist and songwriter (something DL really missed when he passed in 1991). We all know about the one-armed god Rick Allen. Then Phil Collen and Rick Savage adding their own charm. Truly a special act...

Posted by Timothy on Sunday, 12/2/2018 @ 01:43am


My personal predictions are:

Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies
John Prine
and either The Cure or Roxy Music.

In this order of certainty. What would make this prediction uncertain, is that it appears that they have increased the Voting Committee. If more critics get a ballot, that could increase the chances of The Cure, Roxy Music, Radiohead, Kraftwerk, maybe even Janet Jackson. I don’t know which act would benefit the most, maybe Kraftwerk? It could be exciting!

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 12/2/2018 @ 03:36am


To answer Timothy's question, my guess is that Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, and the Zombies would have the best chances, although I think Todd Rungren is also likely for induction too.

If the Voting Committee has been drastically increased to where more music critics, journalists, bloggers, etc have a vote, then that could bode well for the Cure and other acts, but as of now I'm looking at it the way it's turned out the last 4-5 years or so where the influence of the classic-rock heavy inductees that have gained voting privileges. So to me that bodes well for the Zombies, Todd Rundgren, and Stevie Nicks, as I think the majority of the current living inductees will vote for those three acts. Def Leppard I don't think will get as many votes as Nicks, Rundgren, and the Zombies will, but with them winning the Fan Vote, that should make them shoe-ins.

But with Timothy's question the three artists with the best chance are Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, and the Zombies IMO.

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 12/2/2018 @ 03:42am


Timothy,

I see you do like doing early morning posts. I am someone else who is a bit excited about Def Leppard. I mean not as excited as you and KDawg. I grew up listening to them a bit.My Rock tastes go back to the mid 70s but hey I remember when the album Pyromania came out. It's the album before Hysteria. I just know you like that one too. I have not discussed Def Lep yet. I was into a lot of arena rock and some heavy metal in the 80s, I was NOT interested in High n' Dry. But Pyromania was one of the yop albums of 1983.I was 18. It went to #2 on the chart. It failed to be # 1 due to the Police and Michael Jackson with Thriller that year. I watched their early Videos on MTV and other Video channels. They are good. And I like a lot of old 70s Rock like Eric Clapton, Steely Dan, Gr Dead,Yes,etc etc Def Leppard were melodic.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/2/2018 @ 06:08am


Donnie,

Good choices.

Ben,

Yeah, Pyromania was and is awesome. One act got to have at least one or two classic albums for me to consider them serious and Def Leppard ended up having two of the biggest!

Posted by Timothy on Sunday, 12/2/2018 @ 11:57am


Timothy,

I just wanted to reiterate how I find your point of view quite refreshing and a very welcome addition to this site. Although we may not always agree with your opinion, at least we can have a reasonable conversation with each other and not become enraged. Plus, you articulate your ideas quite well. You are absolutely correct, I am not particularly fond of this particular Rock Hall Nominating Committee’s list, however I will continue to vote for Stevie Nicks and the peripheral “prog” bands on this list, including: Roxy Music, The Zombies and Kraftwerk on a daily basis. I will also vote for one other artist, lately I have been voting for Devo, The Cure, John Prine and of course Rufus with Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren and Radiohead multiple times.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/2/2018 @ 12:42pm


Enig,

Thanks for the kind words. I also love your posts. :)

Tim

Posted by Timothy on Sunday, 12/2/2018 @ 14:22pm


KING'S FINAL RRHOF INDUCTEES 2018-2019 CYCLE PREDICTIONS.
1. DEF LEPPARD. Simply one of the greatest heavy metal and rock bands in the last 40 years. Pyromania is a Classic and my FAV album of all time. Hysteria solidified Def Leppard as 80's superstars with 2 Diamond Albums.
2. STEVIE NICKS. Richie can write 15 or 16 posts why she's not getting inducted but she will be inducted. STEVIE NICKS has performed, toured, or somehow interacted with nearly every important HOF act. She will receive votes from The Eagles, Heartbreakers, Madonna, Fleetwood Mac. All over the spectrum of voters. Stevie has influenced so many singer/songwriters. Loved and respected. 1st woman 2x inductee.
3. JANET JACKSON. It's Janet's time. 80's and 90's hitmaker sold millions of CD's. Influenced plenty of singers and 90's singer dance bands. I like Black Cat that's a rocker! Janet's induction will open it up for Mariah Carey, the late Whitney Houston and others for induction.
4. RADIOHEAD. I think Radiohead is too good to pass up 2 years in a row. OK Computer is on a short list of greatest 90's CD's. Incredible innovation and influence with commercial success. I'm a big Pablo Honey fan myself.
5. LL COOL J. It makes sense to have LL Cool J inducted this year. They have Eminem, JZ, and some other important rap acts ready for nomination soon. LL has been racking up awards lately. Might as well be in the RRHOF too.
6. THE ZOMBIES. The RRHOF wants The Zombies in and they will get their wish. It was a perfect ballot for the Zombies not having much competition. They should rack up votes from the great 60's and 70's English bands already inducted. Plus some 70's rock groups. The Zombies have been gracious and talking good things about RRHOF. Their music qualifies as Musically Excellent.
7. TODD RUNDGREN MUSICAL EXCELLENCE. Rundgren has a good chance of being inducted as a performer but he will be inducted in some form or fashion for his many contributions to music as Singer/Songwriter, Group, Producer, etc.
I think Chaka, Roxy Music, The Cure will be nominated and might be inducted next year. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 12/2/2018 @ 19:35pm


Timothy,

You are most certainly very welcome. ;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 04:34am


It is now December 3, and in slightly less than 1 week, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five artists: (Roxy Music, Radiohead, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk and The Zombies), Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

In my honest opinion, Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 05:37am


Timothy,

I think I have covered most of our predictions.
Stevie Nicks I predict will be inducted. Is it fully deserved, Not totally since its for her solo Career. But it's the name recognition that will make her a winner. She is Partly deserved because she has influenced a lot of modern so many modern singer/songwriters. You can think of some I am sure. She has one Classic album, Belladonna. I know Rock a Little with tunes like I Can't wait is a goofy album of hers and Other Side of the Mirror but hey I don't think that's what the Voters are thinking of. I wasn't sure I discussed Stevie Nicks fully with you.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 06:10am


When is the last day to vote in the official poll?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 08:15am


December has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 08:16am


Four things I’m waiting for this month: The Winners of the Rock Hall Ballot, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate for Nintendo Switch, New AFI EP/Mini Album, and Christmas.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 09:14am


One week left for official ballots, 6 days left for the fan vote. The announcement will be here before we know it. I always say the nominee announcement is like Christmas (you don't know what's going to be under the tree) and the inductee announcement is like the Super Bowl (you know who's playing, now you find out who will win). This year is so wide open that the announcement will actually be a genuine surprise. In previous years, it was easy to kind of pick out who would get in. Assuming the tradition of Fan Vote winner being inducted continues, Def Leppard seems like the only certainty. I can't wait for next week!!

Posted by Greg P. on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 09:41am


So when are they going to announce the inductees?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 10:25am


Follower,

Usually they'll announce inductees in the second week of December so I'm guessing December 13th.

@Greg,

I agree, besides from Def Leppard, anyone else is actually hard to pick who will get in. Like I said, the Zombies seem to be the second surest act to get inducted.

So any of the three, four acts that'll fill in the rest of the slots will be difficult but I'm still going with Janet, Stevie, Todd and John (or LL) as the latter ones to fill in the slots.

Posted by Timothy on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 10:58am


Timothy,

I've been voting for Janet, Radiohead, The Cure, and The Zombies. I've been rotating my fifth pick among Def Leppard, LL Cool J, and Kraftwerk, just trying to help the artists toward the bottom. I haven't been voting for Todd only because he's been solidly in the top 3 the whole time, but I would love to see him get in. I really think any 5 from this ballot will be a good class.

Posted by Greg P. on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 11:32am


Greg,

I've been consistently voting for Janet and Todd since the fan vote started. :)

Posted by Timothy on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 14:17pm


Timothy,

I did a vote

Janet
LL Cool J
The Cure
Def Leppard
Rage Against the Machine (if I'd been voting for real, would have voted for Radiohead in this spot, but I really dislike Thom Yorke, so I voted for these guys)

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 14:42pm


Have they listed which members of each band would be inducted?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 21:42pm


Follower, Yes they did. I don't know where it's listed though, although I know all 8 members of Def Leppard would be included for one. With so many single person acts nominated, there isn't much mystery this year though.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 12/3/2018 @ 23:26pm


Follower,

As far as I know, yeah. I think if some of the groups get in, you won't have to hear much of changing members, though I think the Zombies had a few originals who left the band, doubt Def Leppard would leave Vivien Campbell out of being inducted though their glory years were mainly with Steve Clark.

Posted by Timothy on Tuesday, 12/4/2018 @ 00:04am


IF you go to the Rock Hall's website, they have bio pages for each of the nominees. On the page it shows the members who are nominated.

Posted by Greg P. on Tuesday, 12/4/2018 @ 08:41am


Philip,

I am definitely missing your latest installment on your “Rock Hall Monitor’s Blog.” With only 5 days left until the Fan Vote ends, will you post your predictions later this week, or next Monday?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12/4/2018 @ 09:33am


Paul,

You saw Tom Morello's tweets, doesn't seem like he's a fan. XD

Posted by Timothy on Tuesday, 12/4/2018 @ 11:04am


Philip,

I am definitely looking forward to your next installment in your
“Rock Hall Monitors” Blog. Please post it as soon as you are able to. Thank you.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12/4/2018 @ 20:42pm


If Tim is right, 7 members of the Def ones will be included, according to the bio. Vivian Campbell is indeed among them, as he should be ;)

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 12/4/2018 @ 21:40pm


Enig,

I'm working at it, believe me. But this is the ridiculously heavy time for us. Anything less than 12 hours is a short day. I've got my top eight seeds set, but still trying to wrap up the other seven. I really hope I can get it done, but even with tomorrow being the day of mourning for George H.W. Bush, I'm still gonna be out delivering parcels. Probably another 12 hour day. Not much time to write, but I'm working on it!

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 00:18am


Philip,

Trust me I know how that can be. You and I have more in common then I had originally thought. You are basically doing something which I had done approximately 20 years ago. Did I fail to mention that I had worked for the U.S.P.S. at the time when I had built my website?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 01:20am


I think you hinted at it. Which craft were you? Were you a union member?

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 01:27am


Philip,

I got to admit I was also looking forward to your predictions. I realized the other day that you had not this yet. I didn't realize you had a Rock Hall Monitors blog. What is the website for that? Let me know.I remember you have a lot of diversity. I first knew you 3 years ago when we discussed Solomon Burke and Joe Tex. I do wonder what happens to Joe Tex at this point. I do know how work can be. If you work for the post office this is certainly a hectic time.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 02:26am


I Voted in the official Fan Vote. I voted last night for Def Leppard,Stevie Nicks,John Prine, Todd Rundgren and the Zombies. But this morning just now I voted for 4 the same and Roxy Music instead of Todd R. I wanted to give support to Roxy Music. They could use the help.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 05:51am


Philip,

I had worked as an R.C.A. for 3 1/2 yrs. prior to my present job. I had stopped working at the U.S.P.S. on June 19, 1999. I had moved to Tucson on June 20, 1999 and had started work at my present job on June 21, 1999.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 10:02am


Future Rock Legends Predicts the 2019 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog_f ... ctees.html

Def Leppard * Stevie Nicks * Todd Rundgren * The Zombies * Radiohead * John Prine

Why no Janet Jackson?!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 12:10pm


Future Rock Legends Predicts the 2019 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog_files/FRL_Predicts_the_2019_Inductees.html

Def Leppard * Stevie Nicks * Todd Rundgren * The Zombies * Radiohead * John Prine

Why no Janet Jackson?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 12:12pm


Roy

jj is probably not listed because she does not have the support.

Nothing but paid for propaganda.

I think the truth may be sinking in - a couple of people have backed off her on here,

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 12:29pm


It would be a travesty for Janet to be left off. That roster of inductees looks like another classic rock ballot type. The last thing I want to see is the closeminded "Rock only" fans getting their wind and uttering their "Good job, next kick out all rap/pop/r&b because it's not rock" rant. I'm really annoyed that they might be putting in a 2 hit wonder that was more or less a footnote on the British invasion over a pop star who has sold more albums and been more influential on the pop side WITH some rock elements and at the same time, while it shouldn't be a token thing, there need to be more African American women in the Hall, and she definitely belongs. Sorry I am too lazy to paragraph this ;)

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 13:10pm


K-Dawg

That is a joke SHE HAS NO INFLUENCE ON R&R

There are women that deserve it.

I think these list are wishful thinking and please stop calling this so rock ticket - 80's is new wave and prog and metal - not rock

There are many black women inducted - so stop being racist and judge their influence and value to r&r before you look at their skin color.


There are much more deserving white women sitting on the side lines. Look it up then calculate population breakdowns.

This rbist propaganda is getting old

jj propaganda is getting old

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 13:40pm


Even if Janet doesn’t have enough votes from the voting body, she will get in by the Nom Com’s/Management’s choice (See Nina Simone).

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 13:56pm


Dude


THAT IS CALLED CHEATING!!!


And I would not bank on them doing this for jj

In many ways she is person non - grata

Propaganda hype only goes so far

People look into it and ask what is that family trying to get away with now?




Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 14:16pm


@ Zuzu

True, but it’s actually a business move. They know what draws crowds and what doesn’t by looking at most of the general population and certain demographics. Award shows like the Grammys do the same thing too in order to get decent ratings.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 14:41pm


The Dude,
According to Alan Light on SiriusXM's Volume a few months ago, Nina Simone got the most votes out of anyone last year, so she wasn't grandfathered in (like say Sister Rosetta Tharpe who was nominated in the Performers category and then rightfully inducted as an Early Influence)

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 15:29pm


@ Nick

I actually don’t have SiriusXM/satellite radio, but that I didn’t know. She looked like one of those inductees who got in that wasn’t based on the previous results from the voting body. I guess R&B music from the Pre-Rock era through the 70’s is more appealing to them than anything from 80’s and early 90’s (atleast for now).

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 16:12pm


Frustrating, Dude, as they've had over 30 years to get the old stuff in, and are long overdue to pay much more attention to the 80s. The 90s are becoming backlogged as well. Bad Company and The Monkees are 2 of my "classic rock" bands I feel are long overdue, but at some point, the majority of the ballot should be bands from the later decades. We are a scant 7 years away until the 2000s acts start becoming eligible.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 16:42pm


I wonder if the guy who runs this website has a ballot. He has to have been noticed by the Hall.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 16:54pm


All one has to do is go back to FRL archives to see who they picked last year. LOL

It's kinda silly to suggest FRL knows who's getting in, the FRL fan base surely shows some difference!

Posted by Timothy on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 16:56pm


Just for anyone wondering, these were the FRL's 2018 picks:

*Bon Jovi
*The Moody Blues
*Radiohead
*Dire Straits
*Judas Priest
*Nina Simone

*Link Wray and Sister Rosetta were picked as Early Influence inductees.

RRHOF picked Bon Jovi, Moody Blues, Dire Straits and Nina Simone along with The Cars (who they didn't predict). Sister Rosetta got the Early Influence induction.

In their 2017 list, they totally overlook the impact of 2Pac and thought Chic would get in, they were right about Journey, ELO, Pearl Jam, Yes and Joan Baez.

They can get one or two of their picks wrong though for the most part it's accurate.

Posted by Timothy on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 17:05pm


They also got two wrong for 2016's induction list, one of which included Janet.

Posted by Timothy on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 17:10pm


Dude

not a business

by the way the nom has been clueless since the 70

80s was pushed WORST DECADE OF MUSIC VERY LITTLE R&R

IF THEY DID LITTLE OR NOTHING FOR R&R THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING INDUCTED

READ THE SIGN - THIS IS NOT THE GRAMMIES

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 17:14pm


K-Dawg


classic rock - you do not even know what rock is.

Another rbist racist sexist gang bang.

HOW JUVENILE AND OFFENSIVE CAN YOU GET


Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 17:20pm


I am not the one slinging insults at people and their intelligence. You view your "rock n roll" because of the era you grew up in. Don't be myopic and realize that the RRHOF is very, VERY diverse, as it should be. The 80s was as important to some as your precious 60s was to you. Zuzu, your post is borderline incomprehensible.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 18:03pm


With the Cars, Bon Jovi, and Dire Straits now in, that should marked as the Hall’s acceptance with the 80’s. Def Leppard and Janet will make it, and I’m also hoping for the Cure as well to keep the New Wave train going. If not, then I’ll take Todd since he did jumped on that bandwagon other than prog.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 19:01pm


The Dude,

They'll induct Todd first before The Cure gets in.

Posted by Timothy on Wednesday, 12/5/2018 @ 19:49pm


Since folks are wondering, I thought I'd give an update: the rough draft is done. I'll proofread it hopefully sometime in the next couple days when I can keep my eyes awake and not add an endless string of a single character ("fffffffffffffffffffffffffffff") from nodding off while I type. Meanwhile, goodnight one and all.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 00:17am


Timothy,

I read your post about thee FRL picks of the last few years. FRL tends to be on the mark with its predictions of inductees but misses a little is what you found. I guess for 2017 they had wishful thinking about Chic being inducted after many years.

They got 4 right with their 2018 picks. Bon Jovi, Dire Straits,the Moody Blues and Nina Simone were correct is what you found. They didn't predict the Cars. I am just observing what you said. FRL was too hopeful about Radiohead and Judas Priest. There is a lot of old Classic Voters out there. A lot of them were probably bothered by Radiohead's attitude to the Hall. Since Ozzy Osborne is an inductee with Black Sabbath and so is the guys from Metallica they easily voted for Priest. But there are NOT enough Voters like Ozzy and Metallica. There are a lot of rock critics that also Vote but maybe NOT enough that like Heavy metal. There are so many Voters like Neil Young and Donald Fagen. Thats how Priest probably missed. Just a guess.

So for this year FRL will probably miss with Radiohead again. Since they picked 6 for 2019 Janet J is much more likely than Radiohead.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 03:53am


@ Ben

I’m pretty sure members from Guns N‘ Roses, Van Halen, KISS, Aerosmith, Rush, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, and Journey voted for Priest too. As for Radiohead, the reason they’re in the Hall yet cause it’s not easy to induct bands who only have one radio staple. Look how long Purple had to wait to get in, and I hate it when people mislabeled certain acts as “one-hit wonders” simply because they only know one song by them on terrestrial radio and that’s it. This is also the same situation for bands like Devo and Thin Lizzy.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 08:57am


*they’re not in the Hall yet.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 09:02am


Dude, not to disagree with your sentiment at all, but Radiohead has 3 songs ("Creep" "High and Dry" "Karma Police"). Compare that to the darlings of the nom com the Zombies, who have 2.

That being said, Radiohead is not ready for the Hall yet. In that, I completely agree.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 10:52am


@ K-Dawg

As far I remember hearing Radiohead on the radio, my local stations only played “Creep” on a regular rotation and nothing beyond that from their first three albums like “Fake Plastic Trees” and “High & Dry.” I’m just glad to be in a minority who buys music despite the rapid rise of streaming to listen whatever I’m in a mood for.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 11:14am


Ben,

Yeah if there is six and the inductees are rightfully predicted for most of them, Radiohead will be left out definitely, and yeah Janet COULD be that sixth member. We'll see what they do.

I definitely think there will be six inductees and one nominee accepting a backdoor induction.

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 11:16am


'Paranoid Android' also a well known song by them.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 11:54am


Who is everyone's "sleeper" pick? Is there someone not being named that has a good chance to sneak in under the radar? John Prine seems to be a dark horse for sure, I really wish Kraftwerk would get a look--as a performer, not a song/music excellence nod.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 13:12pm


For me, a 'sleeper' pick would be Roxy Music.

A sound-asleep sleeper would be Devo.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 13:50pm


Roxy Music is my sleeper pick too.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 14:08pm


Roxy Music is mine's.

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 15:42pm


Philip,

Hmm, so you think LL has a chance, huh? You REALLY sure about that? ;)

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 15:53pm


If nothing else, it's the best chance he's had since getting nominated, imo.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 15:59pm


Guys,

I got a strange feeling about this... I look at the fan vote, I look at the opinions given and I can conclude on this basis:

Only three artists who are top five on the fan votes will get in the Hall. Def Leppard, Todd and The Zombies.

I wasn't so sure but these may be the acts. I don't see it being four out of five this time. They'll pick those three.

I'm not too confident anymore about Stevie's chances. I already ruled The Cure out.

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 15:59pm


Philip,

How good chances did you think 2Pac had it when his nomination came up?

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 16:02pm


I gave him a 50-50 shot, he was the sixth seed, and they did induct six that year, so it was a correct prediction on my part.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 16:30pm


Most people saw it as a near absolute certainty. Same for Nina Simone. I don't think an A-level black candidate can NOT get in. I mean, how many ballots do you really need to be on when there's like 15-21 names on the ballot? To finish in the top five or six could mean just getting like 38% of the vote or whatever. And someone like 2Pac or Nina Simone, essentially ends up on every critic's and black person's ballot. Game over.

The problem is when the candidacy isn't on that level. Like Chic. Or Janet. Or Rufus. Then it's seemingly impossible to get inducted since absolutely none of the "rock is guitar!" voters are ever going to send a vote in that direction. Game over.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 16:48pm


Hmm, that's actually a good question. Someone said Nina Simone was the most voted of the 2018 class...

I wonder how many vote tallies go down before the final five or six are picked?

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 17:01pm


She finally did it. Janet Jackson now has over 200,000 fan votes on the Rock Hall fan vote...

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 17:03pm


Well, we know that the following names must have done pretty well in the 2018 voting which is why they are back for 2019. Judas Priest was said to have done horribly in the balloting and isn't back for that reason, so I really doubt anybody would be re-nominating candidates that did poorly in the prior year.

That means that these did pretty well last year:

LL Cool J (Questlove has said he has "almost" been inducted in the past)

MC5 (Makes sense. The Stooges are in along with a lot of other early punk pioneers. Plus, they're a guitar band.)

Radiohead (Beyond important recently eligible)

Rage Against The Machine (Recently eligible guitar act)

Rufus With Chaka Khan (Unless Questlove is just on a hopeless crusade here)

The Zombies (Self explanatory)



The irony is that the above six names aren't predicted to be inducted this fall as often as first time nominees Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks and Todd Rundgren happen to be.

Theoretically, a smaller ballot this year and one without any big time vote-getters should only make the above six names INCREASE their share of the vote. The ones that aren't inducted in the 2019 class will then have an even stronger case of coming back on the next ballot.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 18:58pm


Timothy,

Just to get back to Janet. She has a much better chance than Radiohead. The main ones who would Vote for Radiohead are Modern Rock critics. I just don't think that's enough. There are a lot more possible votes for Janet. Clearly not a lot of the Old Rock Veteran inductees. But there is the other Jacksons to vote for their sister. Plus people like Gladys Knight, The OJays and bunch of other R&b inductees that I can't think of Now. I will stress that I am NOT even a fan of her at all. Just understand the popularity

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 22:04pm


Ben,

I agree with you. I don't see what Philip and others (including FRL's owner) saying Radiohead having a chance.

Don't see many "rock heads" really going for Radiohead either. And these class of nominees except for Def Leppard, MC5, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies and, to a lesser degree, RATM, scream "rock and roll".

Which is why I think Janet has a strong enough chance. I really think Janet is being underestimated by some, especially by the "Radiohead will definitely get in" crowd.

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 22:34pm


In all fairness, Radiohead is the shakiest of the "sure things" I seeded. I only seeded them 3% more sure than Janet, and originally had Roxy seeded #4. I just don't see a class where both Stevie and Janet get in, and I'm having a hard time believing Janet will get in and Stevie doesn't. I wish I had more faith in the voting bloc, but I don't.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12/6/2018 @ 23:22pm


Philip,

Here's something that would surprise and probably shock you: I'm not too sure anymore of Stevie Nicks' chances.

Sometimes being #2 on a fan vote don't mean you're a shoo-in. And also a lot of opinions on her already being in Fleetwood Mac could still play a lot into her chances. Like a few artists like Madonna and the like will vote for her but maybe someone else they see on the list cancels her out.

To me, Def Leppard, the Zombies and Todd are the surest ones. I already counted The Cure out and Stevie was dead last at #5 the last time I thought I was sure I had picked them right.

Now Stevie is not looking good with her chances to me. But I have to be careful of my assurance because even when Ringo got his nod, I was like "really? The Hall is gonna induct him?" But they did.

Then again, Stevie isn't Ringo so IDK what the heck is gonna happen.

Also there's the slight chance Roxy Music may surprise us all and get in... or maybe John Prine could steal any of Stevie's potential votes (you seem to hint that in your blog predictions!).

This is an "anything can happen" Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class!

Posted by Timothy on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 01:35am


One thing about Joe Elliott: he's a humble cat. As humble as Prine!

----

DEF LEPPARD’S JOE ELLIOTT: DON’T GET TOO EXCITED ABOUT ROCK HALL

More than 3 million votes have been cast since fan voting for the class of 2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees opened in October. Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks have consistently been in the lead, with the Sheffield hard rockers logging more than 500,000 votes.

Still, singer Joe Elliott is cautiously reserved about all of it. “Let's not get too excited,” he tells UCR. “The nomination is one thing, being inducted is another.”

As he notes, the fan vote is only one small part of the process, even if it has become an influential one over the years: The winner of every past fan vote has been inducted.

“Essentially, it's worth one-thousandth of the entire vote, so it's not worth a great deal numerically speaking,” Elliott points out. “But I think the difference with the fan vote is the fact that everyday somebody's reported back who's top of the chart.”

The way he sees it, the results make it hard for the main voters to ignore. “The other 999 have got no option but to take notice of it," he says.

"Their management, their secretaries, their good selves are looking at this. Or they're getting involved in it in some form of social media every day that Def Leppard is at, they're No. 1 or if somebody else is catching 'em up on the outside. It's like a horse race. Well, they have to take notice of the vote, one way or another. They can either vote against it, out of principle, or they can say, ‘Well, okay, I get it. I think I have to say yes on this one.’”

It means a lot to Elliott that fans now have a say in the process. “The people we always tried to get to from day one [are] the audience,” he says. “[Because] they’re actually involved in it, in one form or another, makes it more valid to us.” Still, he says it always comes down to the music for him.

“I've never been one that's like, 'I have to have these Grammys on my shelf,' and all this kind of business, that's not why I did this,” he explains. “I wanted to try and write decent songs and sing them as well as I could, end of story. And come out and play them live in front of people. When we first got together as a band, it was because we'd been watching bands on Top of The Pops or The Old Grey Whistle Test or watching them live. It was what they did, it was their reaction with an audience.”

Elliott says when he was growing up, it was a “fantastic” feeling to be in the crowd, “screaming for your favorite band,” and the idea of being on the other side of that and onstage, had an appeal that was impossible to escape.

“It's such a cool thing to want to do, and that's all we really wanted,” he says. “The whole business side of it is something that we learned along the way, and this is part of it. You do these merry dances to get nominated for something, and we were like, ‘We don't want to do any merry dance, we either get nominated or we don't, but I'm not gonna get on my knees for it.' It's nice, and who wouldn't want to be in the same club as the Beatles and the [Rolling] Stones, and all that kind of stuff? But if we are, great. If we're not, then we're not.”
But he doesn’t want his words and thoughts to be misconstrued. “It sometimes will come across reading that I'm negative toward it,” Elliott points out. “I'm not negative toward it. I'm just ambivalent. I'm neutral. I'm not gonna get excited about it, 'cause we're not in. We’re waiting to see.”

One thing you can count on is if Def Leppard get inducted into the Hall of Fame, there'll be one more voice banging the drum for Ian Hunter to get some long overdue recognition. Elliott says "it's a crime" the Mott the Hoople frontman hasn't been inducted.

“It's still amazing output, better than Bob Dylan, for my taste," he says. "The fact that it took 13 years to get us nominated is all well and good, the fact that it took Roxy Music 21 and Todd Rundgren probably 30 is ridiculous.
"The whole thing is just subjective in the first place," he continues. "It's like, Who decides this? And that's why we've always been like, This is not public taste dictating how it should be. It's some invisible, Marvel Comics baddies or something. It's like some secret committee, and we don't know who they are. Mostly with bands like that, people like that, it just by nature, becomes elitist.”

That's one of the reasons Elliott prefers to stay away from that scene. “All of a sudden, you get invited into the smoking lounge at some gentleman's club, and all of a sudden you feel like, 'Oh, I don't want to go back to sitting in McDonald's anymore. I want to be in this thing,'" he says. “I think there's a lot of people probably think that's what it's like. We don't really think that way, never did. It's great if we get in for the fans -- that's what it would be for. I suppose my mom would think it was cool.”

For the moment, he’s looking forward to getting a small break after a year in which his band played to more than a million fans during a summer tour of stadiums and arenas with Journey. That run was just one part of the group’s busy recent schedule.

“I think by the time Christmas comes, we’re going to want to put our feet up a little bit, because it’s been a hell of a run," Elliott concludes. "And for me personally, I’ve been promoting this thing since at least January, so it will be a full year of talking the walk and then performing it. So I’m going to want a bit of time with the kids and the wife and the mom and my friends and my record collection and my two cats and my bike.”

Posted by Timothy on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 02:19am


Timothy,

I read you post on Def Leppard and Joe Elliot. We all can say Def Leppard is a shoo in. But what can we expect about them performing at the ceremony? It sounds like Joe Elliot wants to rest after 1 year of touring. What is your opinion on this? Let me know. It would be great for DEf Leppard to perform.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 02:47am


Ben,

Not to interject, but I have a feeling Joe Elliott would make an exception and at least they'd do a couple songs. Musicians who have been out of the spotlight longer have come back. I would love to see a collaboration of "Rocket" or "Rock of Ages" with some other musicians as well. This will be a glorious day for Leppard fans. The suspense is really getting intense...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 03:10am


Timothy, I'm of the same opinion as you when it comes to the four "locks" that most people are predicting. As in, I'm expecting Def Leppard/Rundgren/Zombies and thinking Nicks will be comfortably shut out (even if there's six inductees, etc.)

I'm certain the writers and inducted performers are well aware that Fleetwood Mac is in the Hall of Fame. Absolutely certain, in fact. So then they'll be taking a look at an underwhelming solo discography (albeit a very good one in my opinion). And then she basically is just Sting and won't ever appear on a ballot again.

My own personal take is that Rundgren is either the sixth inductee or he is Musical Excellence (in case of the latter, there are either five or six Performer inductees). Zombies and Def Leppard have a pretty open lane for their induction. And then I slot Radiohead, Roxy Music and The Cure in the #3-5 slots. Radiohead is too important to ignore, The Cure represents the breakthrough act for 80s alternative and Roxy Music has so much industry credibility.

Prine is an outside-the-box pick that could also work for Musical Excellence. He's my wild card, I guess.


I think niche (Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5) and black (Rufus with Chaka Khan, LL Cool J and Janet Jackson) just don't have the votes. Black artists CAN get in when they are unquestionably A-level. Niche acts will eventually have the sort of voting body make-up where a group like Kraftwerk can get in with ease, but now is not the time.

Rage Against The Machine is just in their own box. They're a mid-level act that never should have been nominated before The Pixies or Smashing Pummpkins or Soundgarden or Alice In Chains or...they're an act not getting in because of their own failings rather than a voting body that is slanted against them (if anything, it's totally slanted in their favor, maybe more than any non classic rock act since they embodied both guitar rock and rap).

Posted by Casper on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 03:41am


K Dawg,

That's a good point. After all Journey performed last year. True without Steve Perry, But they did. This would be better. All the living members of the FAmous line up can play. I am thinking they will play Photograph,Rock of Ages and Pour Some Sugar on Me. There is time to discuss their set.

As far as Stevie Nicks. She does have an underwhelming solo career like Sting. Albums like Other Side of the Mirror make that clear. However I am still going with the name recognition Veteran rock inductees have. They would sooner vote for her than let's say the Cure,Devo,Kraftwerk or Radiohead. If she somehow loses then it will be Janet Jackson for sure I would think. My predictions stay the same. Stevie stays on my prediction list.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 05:16am


IMO, Stevie has a better solo career than Sting. Not a whole lot better, but (to me) definitely/measurably better.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 07:39am


It is now December 7, and in slightly more than 2 days, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five artists: (Roxy Music, Radiohead, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk and The Zombies), Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly less than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

In my honest opinion, Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.

I know that this ballot is not ideal under any circumstances and many of my fellow prog aficionados are certainly not interested in supporting this particular ballot. However, prog artists generally tend to support other prog artists and Roxy Music and quite possibly, The Zombies are going to receive their votes. Next year, we will hopefully have Jethro Tull, Procol Harum and Duran Duran to choose from.

Philip, thank you for posting your latest installment, of course I think that Roxy Music’s Induction will finally open the door for Duran Duran.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 09:47am


Ben,

When (not if) Def Leppard gets inducted, they will perform. The ceremony is in March. Joe will be well rested by then, assuring he has no concert dates before then (The Zombies will start to tour in the beginning of next year but will have a good break before their induction, if they're picked).

Casper,

I don't think Roxy Music is still a sure thing. But as far as surprises, they will be the ultimate wildcard. Radiohead, it's still not their year...unless the Hall begrudgingly inducts them and gets what we all expect: a cold shoulder. The Cure will be denied as well. I just can't see them going in now. The Cure will likely get in next time though. Radiohead too.

I just don't see Todd being Musical Excellence. He'll get in as a performer. It'll undoubtedly be a controversial one but a well deserved one too.

I'll tell you more on who I'm now sure will get in later. I might make my own blog post about it.

Posted by Timothy on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 12:22pm


It's very frustrating to hear the words "next time", but moreso for new wave. Time after time, Depeche Mode has been denied, and according to some prognosticating, The Cure may suffer the same fate. Much as Enig is about prog, and he is right about it being ignored for so long, I want to see the new wave bands, the forefathers of grunge, get their due. Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Green Day are in; they wouldn't have broken through as easily were it not for Depeche Mode, The Cure, and the other bands that set the scene for rock not having to be all about head banging and leather and big hair.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 13:08pm


OK, it's gonna be December 9th soon and the fan vote ends after 11:59 p.m. All ballot votes will come in that Monday afterwards.

So after going back and forth and forth and back over what may or may not happen, I've finally come to a true conclusion of the fifteen nominees of the 2019 class, who will make it, who will be a "close but no cigar" nominee and who will probably be forgotten about for a while.

First, the close but no cigar ones, just to get this out of the way:

Rufus and Chaka Khan - I feel like this band or Chaka will get an R&B Hall of Fame induction before getting into the Rock Hall. Either act (Rufus and Chaka Khan or Chaka by herself) will get in but Janet and LL will block them this year. BUT they will be back. It's still not their time yet. As much as some people think it will be. Sorry, can't see them getting more votes than the famous black artist on the list: Janet Jackson.

Radiohead - "they're one of the most critically acclaimed acts yadda yadda yadda" yeah I know. They ARE an important band but politics have it so hard that I doubt they'll get in. If they didn't get in last year, what makes anyone think they have it easy this year? Especially with The Cure in the way.

Devo - it was great they finally got recognized. But it won't be their year. It's not time yet for them. But them getting nominated again for an Ohio performance next year, I don't think nothing will get in their way next year.

Roxy Music - I'm still looking at them as the "wildcard". But I think with so many critic darlings nominated at the same time, it probably won't be much. They'll probably get seventh place at best and the most the Hall has inducted have been six when they wanna go above five. But maybe 2019 will surprise me.

Rage Against the Machine - yeaaaah no. I'll give them a 2020 induction. Not 2019. They'll get in...at another time.

Kraftwerk - I wonder why do they keep getting dissed? If the Hall was based on influence alone, they'd be shoo-ins, alas they're not. So they're not gonna be inducted this year. But I ain't giving up hope on their chances next time.

The "never will ever get in" nominee:

MC5 - "Kick Out the Jams" will be a singles inductee, but the band themselves, they'll be put to the back burner with War and the Meters. Like Kraftwerk, an influential act but influence is only part of getting in. And this won't be their time. They may never get a chance. Unlike Kraftwerk, can't see them trying them again. But only time will tell if I'm wrong about that.

Stevie Nicks - now this is gonna be a bit controversial because a lot of folks predictably put her in but of course something sticks out from the crowd: "ain't she in Fleetwood Mac?" Folks may be angry and pissed the Hall picked her and not someone like Pat Benatar, the Go-Go's, Cyndi Lauper or solo Tina Turner and comparing her to the other female acts that became popular, she didn't really stand out from the '80s female rock crowd. She'll be more of a Sting than a Ringo Starr. If Stevie was a Beatle, she'd be in! I don't think they'll try her. She'll be this year's Nine Inch Nails and Judas Priest, acts that were ranked second place in the fan vote but never got in. Stevie was already a legend with Fleetwood Mac and that may be enough for a lot of people.

Now for the two other acts who will inch closer to their dreams of Hall enshrinement and may or may not get in:

LL Cool J - rap will get another inductee. It still could be LL. I think he'll be closing in on a nod but will probably fall short of those who feel guilty of not putting Janet in already. It would feel funny having the only New York native on the list not get in but this is the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and they don't always play favorites. BUT if six, he could have a chance. Or not.

The Cure - I think the Cure has a better chance getting in over Radiohead and Stevie but I think John Prine will block their chances. But who knows? They could be my second wildcard and could be the sixth inductee.

NOW for the ones who I think will get in:

Def Leppard - no brainer. #1 on the fan vote, if Stevie had still been #1 on the fan vote (and they have a huge number over her), they wouldn't get in. But they'll be one of the only rock bands to get in this year.

The Zombies - they had a fantastic campaign this year and they're only the second '60s act. Like MC5, very influential but they also have commercial success and are favorites with the nom com. I see nothing blocking them this time. The second no-brainer.

Todd Rundgren - more than Stevie, Todd is the one solo rock act that people can agree is fantastic. What has divided a lot of folks is HOW he'll get in. Many think he's a musical excellence back door inductee, others think he'll get in as a performer, only a few feel like he won't get in based on the confusion on how to honor him but I don't actually think he has a barrier. So count the Wizard of Philly in there. Hall & Oates wouldn't have it any other way.

Janet Jackson - y'all actually think they're gonna block her chance again? Miss Jackson, if you're nasty? She's the biggest name on the list. Regardless of how people feel about what genre she fits into (pop, R&B, dance, etc.), nothing seems to be really in her way. Some may say Stevie. Others say LL and Rufus but I don't see them blocking her. LL may get close. Also, less populist acts, the better for her. Final words: she's in there.

John Prine - I see him getting in now. Philip could be right and we could see this list inducted as THE FIVE. The Hall automatically inducts singer-songwriters so I do think Prine is getting in. Don't ever underestimate someone as beloved as him.

NOW, the sixth inductee COULD still be LL or The Cure. If six, I'll say LL Cool J only because "hey he's a rap act and this is New York." The Cure will get in next year.

So my final list (and I'm not changing it anymore, this is FINAL) is:

1.) Def Leppard
2.) The Zombies
3.) Todd Rundgren
4.) Janet Jackson
5.) John Prine
6.) LL Cool J, if six

Posted by Timothy on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 19:25pm


2019 Nominees And Inductees.
Stevie Nicks will get inducted. She's a legend and has been in a strong #2 position on the FAN VOTING. Most of the nominees can't compare to Stevie Nicks legendary status and influence. The 1st 2x Inductee as a woman will be a trailblazing moment. It's funny people jumping on the John Prine bandwagon. No music critic or FRL regular mentioned John Prine in their nominations or a final cut. Zuzu did mention John Prine in some of her posts. He would be better off in the Songwriters Award or Musical Excellence. I can't believe they would nominate John Prine over a Patsy Cline or a Willie Nelson. Or an Emmylou Harris.
My guess Chaka Khan and Roxy Music will be brought back next year. That hurts Duran Duran's chances as they were influenced by Roxy Music. The Cure interests me as a band that could sneak a spot for induction. They have been around 40 years and they have been gaining momentum the last few years. LL Cool J has a difficult road on this ballot but getting him inducted opens up the RAP acts for induction. I thought Janet would be #2 or #3 in the FAN VOTE but she finally crossed over 200,000 votes recently. A disappointing showing. People are right on Radiohead. They could make it this time but easily could be left off again. I see Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks as the only locks. This should be The Zombies time as the RRHOF clearly wants them in for some reason. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 12/7/2018 @ 21:19pm


King,

I haven't chatted with you in awhile. I feel you are right about Stevie Nicks. She is a legend despite her weak solo albums. There aren't a lot of people that know Rock a Little. I keep mentioning that one because it was a slightly successful solo album in 1985. Key songs are I Can't Wait and Talk to Me. The average person on the street will have no idea about those songs Now. I can see posters on here who know Stevie's solo albums pointing to examples like that. However, I agree most of the nominees can't compare to Stevie Nicks. I mean Devo,Kraftwerk and Radiohead just can't even comes close. The Cure have quite a bit of support and could get quite a bit of Votes. They had a huge following in the 80s. I will give you that. But hey, I would say Stevie N will get a heck of a lot more Votes. I too am surprised they would nominate over Patsy Cline or Willie Nelson. But he is the singer/songwriter pick this year. I won't say he is a lock but I predict him. The locks this year are indeed Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 06:37am


King,

Are we sure about that though (about Stevie)? It just seems like the thing to say. She's an icon for sure but we've seen this before. Constantly. None of us can predict how she's gonna get voted. It's either she will or she won't. Nothing in between.

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 11:40am


Charles Crossley just said something very interesting on his Twitter, he said, of the supposed 1,000 who are given a ballot, only 250 of those ballots are returned! And since this list is more critic favorites than populists, I wonder what change that will do for some of the nominees. That's why I'm skeptical now of Stevie's chances. It's also possible if this is true, the Cure may have more than a shot too... this is gonna be really interesting!

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 11:45am


King,

I do agree as well that Chaka Khan whether with Rufus or solo will return as well as Roxy Music next year. The Cure interests me as a band also. Not because I am fan but because they are the band that could break the log jam of 80s alt bands. They could sneak an induction NOT because of the Old inductees but because of the Rock critics who have loved the Cure since the 1980s. Evelyn McDonnell is a notable critic who most likely Votes and loves the Cure. If you know critics who love the Cure let me know.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 11:52am


Ben,

The fact that the inductee nominees are critic darlings-heavy, I think that's why some are sure the Cure will get in based on that. They may have a good shot.

I didn't factor that in when going over the nominees.

All,

The inductees will be announced on the 13th at 8 a.m. on Sirius Volume.

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 11:58am


Most of the predictions from the Hall watchers are almost simultaneously predicting two women will enter the Hall at the same time. If it so happens that both Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks are inducted, it would be the first time in 26 years that two women were inducted at the same time as performers. But it depends on how strong their numbers are overall. Many are predicting Stevie to be smooth-sailing while wondering about Janet's chances. I would say it's kinda unpredictable with Stevie than I thought initially. We'll see what happens! If this comes true, then watch the Hall go "see, the Year of the Women, we inducted two women, you happy?" Lol

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 12:11pm


Since the Nom Com will start counting the votes and make their final decisions tomorrow before they reveal our newest class, I’m in a mood to talk about a band that doesn’t have their own FRL page but should to kill some time.

A couple of a nights ago, I’ve recently downloaded an album on iTunes by a 60’s band from Peru called Los Saicos. You guys should give them a spin; they fashioned a unique surf rock-influenced garage sound, that possibly made them as the true inventors of punk. For a short lived band, they sounded like if they would later join certain parts of the movement of the late 60’s and 70’s.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FopLLOAiQcU

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 12:37pm


Breaking down the years of when women got in the Hall over the years:

1986 - no woman was inducted that year, all guys.
1987 - Aretha Franklin was the first.
1988 - The Supremes become the second female act to get in. Like Aretha, only female act to be inducted that year.
1989 - no female inductee that year.
1990 - no female inductee that year.
1991 - Tina Turner (with Ike) and LaVern Baker became the third and fourth female act inducted simultaneously (LaVern the second female soloist to get in)
1992 - no female inductee that year.
1993 - Ruth Brown and Etta James (first and only time two female SOLO acts got in); also Cynthia Robinson and Rose Stone were inducted as members of Sly & the Family Stone (so that was four women in one year)
1994 - no female inductee that year
1995 - Janis and Martha & the Vandellas (the Vandellas being the second female group to be inducted)
1996 - Gladys Knight (Gladys & the Pips of course) and the Shirelles were the female acts inducted that year.
1997 - Joni Mitchell was inducted that year
1998 - Christine McVie and Stevie are inducted as part of Fleetwood Mac while Mama Cass Elliott and Michelle Phillips get in as members of the Mamas and the Papas.
1999 - Dusty Springfield is inducted (posthumously) that year. She's just the seventh female solo act to get inducted. Mavis, Yvonne and Cleotha Staples get inducted with the Staples Singers alongside brother Pervis and father Roebuck "Pops".
2000 - Bonnie Raitt is inducted.
2001 - no female inducted that year, first time in seven years that it's an all-male class.
2002 - Brenda Lee is inducted.
2003 - no female inducted that year.
2004 - no female inducted that year.
2005 - no female inducted that year.
2006 - Debbie Harry gets in with Blondie.
2007 - The Ronettes and Patti Smith gets inducted. First time two all-female acts are inducted at the same time since 1993 (with no men).
2008 - Madonna gets inducted that year.
2009 - no female performer inducted but Wanda Jackson, one of the nominees, gets in as an "early influence". I wonder if it was because of Bobby Womack's Rolling Stones connection?
2010 - no female inductee that year
2011 - Darlene Love is inducted.
2012 - Claudette Robinson is inducted as member of the Miracles while Laura Nyro is inducted.
2013 - Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart is inducted alongside the posthumous Donna Summer.
2014 - Linda Ronstadt is inducted.
2015 - Joan Jett is inducted.
2016 - No female act is inducted.
2017 - Joan Baez is inducted.
2018 - Nina Simone is inducted while another nominee, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, is inducted as an early influence.

Bessie Smith technically became the second female inductee to the Hall, inducted in 1989 as an early influence, followed by Ma Rainey in 1990, Dinah Washington in 1993, Mahalia Jackson in 1997, Billie Holiday in 2000 in addition to the aforementioned later two, Wanda and Sister Rosetta.

Carole got the non performing Ahmet Ertegun induction with Gerry and so far, she's the only female inducted in that list.

And finally Patti Scialfa got inducted as a member of Bruce's E Street Band.

So let's see, that's 54 women roughly that have been inducted in a class surrounded by the boys.

Looking back, I'm mad Wanda didn't get in as a performer...

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 12:49pm


I might be mistaken, but I think you missed Chrissy Hynde with the Pretenders. Circumstantial but still underrepresented. And the one member of the Talking Heads?

Fact remains, in this day and age, there should be a ton more women in

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 12:57pm


@ Tim

Only 54 female inductees? SMH

And they didn’t had the balls to add at least one during the most of the early years of the HOF Ceremony - I thought it was more than that!

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 13:18pm


Timothy,

Great post about this year's nominees and I'm in total agreement with you on most of your predictions and analysis, However, I think that John Prine will get inducted via the backdoor (most likely Musical Excellence) rather than as a Performer this year.

So my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

1.) The Cure (it's past time for an 80's alternative band/act to get in and they just celebrated their 40th anniversary this year, so I really think that if they get in this year, they would break the 80's alternative logjam for sure and I really think that it's going to happen this year)

2.) Def Leppard (this year's fan vote winner plus they are the only populist Classic Rock act that's on the ballot this year so they are a shoo-in for induction this year)

3.) Janet Jackson (she will be the token female representative this year plus she's had a big comeback year this year with many industry awards including the Billboard Icon Award at the Billboard Music Awards, the Impact Award at the Radio Disney Music Awards, the Rock Star Award at the Black Girls Rock event, being named a BMI Icon at the BMI R&B/Hip-Hop Awards and more recently, being named a Global Icon at the MTV Europe Music Awards and she's also had a big world tour and other publicity this year as well, so I just think that it's her time for induction this year)

4.) LL Cool J (his recent Kennedy Center Honor plus the ceremony's back in NYC (his hometown) this year and he's also the only Rap/Hip-Hop act on the ballot this year for the second year in a row, so I really think that it's finally his year for induction this year)

5.) Todd Rundgren (well-known singer-songwriter and record producer who is highly well-respected by his peers and he will go in right away just like Steve Miller, Jeff Lynne and Mark Knopfler)

6.) The Zombies (it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year and they are truly one of the last '60s acts that really needs to go in, so I really think that it's finally their year for induction this year)

Musical Excellence:

John Prine (I think that he will be inducted through this category, I really think that the Rock Hall made a big mistake by nominating him as a Performer, he's far more remembered for being an influential songwriter/composer, so this is where I expect him to get inducted and he'll get a backdoor induction this year via this category)

So that's why all six of those acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 13:47pm


K-Dawg,

Thanks, I knew I was missing a couple. Yeah Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders and Tina Weymouth of the Talking Heads.

So let's run it down again:
1986 - no women
1987 - just Aretha
1988 - just the Supremes (Diana, Florence & Mary)
1989 - Bessie Smith (early influence)
1990 - Ma Rainey (early influence)
1991 - Tina Turner (with Ike), LaVern Baker and Carole King (Ahmet Ertegun award with Gerry Goffin)
1992 - no women
1993 - Ruth Brown, Etta James and Dinah Washington (Dinah in early influence) as well as Rose Stone and Cynthia Robinson of Sly & the Family Stone
1994 - no women
1995 - Janis Joplin and Martha & the Vandellas (Martha Reeves, Rosalind Ashford, Annette Beard, Betty Kelly and Lois Reeves)
1996 - Gladys Knight and the Shirelles (Shirley Owens, Doris Coley, Addie "Micki" Harris, and Beverly Lee)
1997 - Joni Mitchell
1998 - Cass Elliott and Michelle Phillips (The Mamas and the Papas); Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie (Fleetwood Mac)
1999 - Dusty Springfield; Cleotha, Yvonne and Mavis Staples (Staple Singers)
2000 - Billie Holiday (early influence) and Bonnie Raitt
2001 - no woman
2002 - Brenda Lee and Tina Weymouth (Talking Heads)
2003 - no woman
2004 - no woman
2005 - Chrissie Hynde (The Pretenders)
2006 - Debbie Harry (Blondie)
2007 - The Ronettes (Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett and Nedra Talley) and Patti Smith
2008 - Madonna
2009 - Wanda Jackson (early influence)
2010 - no woman
2011 - Darlene Love
2012 - Laura Nyro and Claudette Robinson (The Miracles)
2013 - Ann Wilson and Nancy Wilson (Heart) and Donna Summer
2014 - Linda Ronstadt and Patti Scialfa (E Street Band)
2015 - Joan Jett (Blackhearts)
2016 - no woman
2017 - Joan Baez
2018 - Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Tharpe (early influence)

Yeah, just 56 women inducted. Out of those 56, just four female groups (Supremes, Martha and the Vandellas, the Shirelles and the Ronettes), 7 front women with men backing them (Tina being the first one obviously; Janis is in solo but not with Big Brother) and just 15 female solo performers (Janet and Stevie could make it 16/17; and Janet could increase the number of women to just 57).

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 13:53pm


I miscounted, 57. Janet could make it 58 if inducted. Stevie is already inducted as a member of Fleetwood Mac.

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 14:27pm


1996 - Maureen Tucker, Velvet Underground

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 14:50pm


Forgot about her, thanks, The_Claw. So that's 58. Janet would make it 59 then but that's still a LOW number.

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 16:37pm


Timothy,

A few more missing from your list:

1990 - Zola Taylor (with the Platters)
1994 - Donna Jean Godchaux (with the Grateful Dead)
1996 - Grace Slick (with Jefferson Airplane)
1997 - Mahalia Jackson (early influence)
2010 - Agnetha Faltskog & Anni-Frid Lyngstad (with ABBA), Ellie Greenwich (Ahmet Ertegun Award with Jeff Barry), Cynthia Weil (Ahmet Ertegun Award with Barry Mann)

So that would bring the total up to 66. Agreed on Wanda Jackson deserving the Performers category.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 16:56pm


Steve Z,

Lord, how did I forget Zola, Grace and ABBA!? I did mention Mahalia but maybe I had miscounted again.

So yeah just 66 women. :/ Not that many.

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 18:06pm


OK, correct number is 65.

Anyway, you know what I was trying to say. If just Stevie gets inducted, the number stays that way. If Janet gets in, the number goes up.

So if predictions hold, Janet Jackson would be the 66th woman to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. And just the 16th solo female performer (not adding the women who got in as "early influences") to get in. Stevie would technically be #17 if she got in but the overall number of inductees wouldn't change if the Queen of Fleetwood Mac gets in as a solo.

I'm surprised no one was bringing this up when going over inductees. Only 15 female solo acts inducted as performers in 32 years is a travesty.

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 18:40pm


All due respect, the Queen of Fleetwood Mac is Christine McVie. Stevie Nicks is secondary, but a much more noted singles star, relatively speaking ;)

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 20:39pm


K-Dawg,

I stand corrected. ;) And I personally think she's also the Queen of Fleetwood Mac too. :)

Posted by Timothy on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 21:03pm


@ Timothy, The total number of women inducted would be 67, when you add Ellie Greenwich and Cynthia Weil to your list, both from 2010 for songwriting. And were previously mentioned by Steve Z, here, and by Aaron O. on the Janet Jackson page. And great work on that list..

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 12/8/2018 @ 23:28pm


If that stat about only 200 of the 1000 voters voting is true, maybe we should take away ballot restrictions. Mike Stroller, Art Rupe, Dave Bartholomew, everyone from Sex Pistols, Axl Rose, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, and severl P-Funk members probably don't use their voting privliges, so why not take it away from them so only people who care about the institution bother to vote!

Gene Simmons is more likely to have voted for Donald Trump than anyone in the class of 2017. Quote me on that.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 12/9/2018 @ 00:25am


Timothy,

I am predicting the possibility of 2 women inducted this year at the same time as performers. I will skip that whole chat on how many women are inductees in the Hall. It's way too confusing, The point is not enough women are in the Hall. Stevie Nicks and Janet Jackson both have a good chance at the same time. And I like Chrisine McVie a lot too. I am fairly big with Fleetwood Mac. I bought Rumours during the era its from and I did listen Mirage a long time ago.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/9/2018 @ 07:10am


Agree with K-Dawg. Christie McVie is the top dog in The Mac.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 12/9/2018 @ 08:15am


Ben,

Good point. And yeah it is definitely possible. I'll be happy to see it confirmed Thursday.

Posted by Timothy on Sunday, 12/9/2018 @ 10:22am


I'll be honest here, I just can't see the Rock Hall inducting two women in the Performers category in the same year, I just can't, I think that Janet Jackson will be the sole token female representative this year, I think that Stevie Nicks will be snubbed this year.

So my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

Musical Excellence:

John Prine

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 12/9/2018 @ 10:48am


It is now December 9, and tonight, the Rock Hall fan vote will finally be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five artists: (Roxy Music, Radiohead, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk and The Zombies), Roxy Music and The Zombies and quite possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 5 days to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

In my honest opinion, Todd Rundgren should definitely receive the award for Musical Excellence.

If there happens to be a wildcard, then it could be Radiohead.

I know that this ballot is not ideal under any circumstances and many of my fellow prog aficionados are certainly not interested in supporting this particular ballot. However, prog artists generally tend to support other prog artists and Roxy Music and quite possibly, The Zombies are going to receive their votes. Next year, we will hopefully have Jethro Tull, Procol Harum and Duran Duran to choose from.

Philip, thank you for posting your latest installment, of course I still think that Roxy Music’s Induction will finally open the door for Duran Duran.

On this final day of the fan vote, I had selected the following artists: Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music, The Zombies, Kraftwerk and Devo. Overall, I had selected Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music and The Zombies each and every single time. I had selected Kraftwerk most of the time. Todd Rundgren, Radiohead, John Prine, Devo, The Cure, Rufus with Chaka Khan and even LL Cool J had received a few of my votes. I had never once voted for either Rage Against The Machine, nor MC5, nor Def Leppard, nor Janet Jackson.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/9/2018 @ 10:50am


Not surprised that Chuck D is going for Rage Against the Machine and LL Cool J. Probably think Janet has it in the bag (since he doesn't mention her, I imagine he voted for her lol) but for him to push for RATM and LL at this late rate doesn't bode well for either act, does it?

Posted by Timothy on Sunday, 12/9/2018 @ 12:52pm


lock John Prine
Sleeper Rufus with Chaka Khan
Cheat Todd Rundgren
Def Leppard - they messed up but this ticket is so much garbage that they could skate in

Roxy Music or the Cure - another undeserving British garbage group

Does not matter which since it is going to come back and bite the nom com

nobody wants what they are dishing and they better wake or face the consequences.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 12/9/2018 @ 19:08pm


King

John Prine deserves both. Someone else on here saw John Prine as a lock. Can't remember who.


His competition for the nom would have been Steve Goodman or Jimmy Buffett.

Why John?

1 less controverdial
2 There are two Steve Earle interviews that hint something funny was going on to make someone else look more important than they were.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 12/9/2018 @ 19:20pm


Timmy

No racial breakdown? When I have recuperated a bit from the treatments I will list what I have.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 12/9/2018 @ 19:22pm


It will definitely be interesting to see what happens when the inductees are announced in 4 days. I'd like to take a moment and recognize all the great posters that bring a vast wealth of knowledge and opinion to such a diverse subject. By and large, this group is more civilized than millions of other netgroups or message boards all over the Internet. I'm glad that people can agree to disagree, or recognize others' valid points; it seems lost on today's Internet. That said, I stand by my earlier predictions and hope the RRHOF will finally begin the process of the 80s and 90s becoming the predominant genre as we prepare for the 2000s. I know my opinion is not everyone's, but good luck to all and this really is my favorite time of year from a musical standpoint.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 02:30am


K-Dawg,

I do agree that it will be interesting to see what happens when the inductees are announced on Thursday. Generally speaking it is a civilized netgroup. I also agree that the RR Hall of Fame will begin the process of the 80s becoming the predominant era. Decades are eras NOT genres. I am not sure about the 90s yet. Nirvana,Green Day, Pearl Jam and few others have been inducted but NOT that many so far.

90s acts seem stalled after that. It is hard for a lot of 90s acts beyond that to get lots of Votes. Radiohead and Rage Against TM lost out last year. This NOT so with the 80s. Hey 3 80s acts were inducted last year. There can easily be 3 80s acts this year with Def Leppard, Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks this year. The Cure have some chance this year and if they lose they have a good chance in the future.

At this point 60s and 70s will be inducted occasionally. AFter the Moody Blues almost all the keys acts of the 60s and 70s have already been inducted. We know who they are. There is a few of the 60s and 70s that may still be inducted but NOT nearly as many.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 06:16am


The poll has closed and I didn't get a final screen shot!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 08:13am


Enig,

It's always cool to see some posts from you. I think you are on a little less than the last 3 Years due to your disappointment. I predicted Jethro Tull and fell flat for sure. I also predicted Steve Winwood and it didn't happen at all. His early stuff was perhaps Prog adjacent. If you have listened to Arc of a Diver you may agree. Not the hit on it. A tune like Spanish Dancer. His solo career is a bit stronger than Stevie Nicks.

A Roxy Music nomination can now lead to a nomination of Duran Duran. Duran Duran are one of the few British acts of the 80s I don't mind. I am Not a huge fan but I like some hits.And more important I can understand their induction.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 10:29am


I wonder why the fan vote total was so low compared to last year. Maybe last year had bigger names?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 14:50pm


I wonder why the fan vote total was so low compared to last year. Maybe last year had bigger names?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 14:50pm


@ Follower

If Jethro Tull and Duran Duran were nominated for the Class of 2019, we would see more fan votes - but that’s gonna happen next year.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 15:42pm


Last year and this year are mostly garbage. Fans do not decide. minor Brits that had little to no cred or inf will get more votes.


Put up deserving artist if you want to see voting action. You need to nom long over due big name artist from the 70s and none of the corporate garbage.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 16:05pm


Zuzu,

I recall I am the one who sees John Prine as a lock. He is the singer/songwriter nominee. Historically there almost always a singer/ songwriter inducted. I know certain albums of his. I owned the first John Prine album a long time ago on Vinyl.It's the one with Illegal Smile. I like that tune. I have heard parts of Sweet Revenge. I own Prime Prine on cd. I like some John Prine. I tend towards him as a lock because he has more fans than people realize. Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen like him a lot. Not to mention Joni Mitchell and others. I am confident John Prine is inducted.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 17:31pm


I predict that NO '90s band will be inducted this year and there are only two of them (Radiohead and Rage). There are three '80s bands (Def Leppard, The Cure and Devo), one '70s band (Kraftwerk) and the other two are '60s (Zombies and MC5). The other seven are solo artists from various eras ('70s and '80s).

Looking at the list, it will be an '80s heavy list, I feel.

That would bode well for Stevie, Def Leppard, and Janet. The Zombies and Todd would benefit from gaining the most votes for those sentimental of '60s and '70s rock. The sixth inductee if there is one would probably be LL or The Cure. They still could induct Radiohead...if there are enough votes for them.

Posted by Timothy on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 17:33pm


Timothy,

My final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) are:

1.) The Cure (it's past time for an 80's alternative band/act to get in and they just celebrated their 40th anniversary this year, so I really think that if they get in this year, they would break the 80's alternative logjam for sure and I really think that it's going to happen this year)

2.) Def Leppard (this year's fan vote winner plus they are the only populist Classic Rock act that's on the ballot this year so they are a shoo-in for induction this year)

3.) Janet Jackson (she will be the token female representative this year plus she's had a big comeback year this year with many industry awards including the Billboard Icon Award at the Billboard Music Awards, the Impact Award at the Radio Disney Music Awards, the Rock Star Award at the Black Girls Rock event, being named a BMI Icon at the BMI R&B/Hip-Hop Awards and more recently, being named a Global Icon at the MTV Europe Music Awards and she's also had a big world tour and other publicity this year as well, so I just think that it's her time for induction this year)

4.) LL Cool J (his recent Kennedy Center Honor plus the ceremony's back in NYC (his hometown) this year plus he's also the only Rap/Hip-Hop act on the ballot this year for the second year in a row, so I really think that it's finally his year for induction this year)

5.) Todd Rundgren (well-known singer-songwriter and record producer who is highly well-respected by his peers and he will go in right away just like Steve Miller, Jeff Lynne and Mark Knopfler)

6.) The Zombies (it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year and they are truly one of the last '60s acts that really needs to go in, so I really think that it's finally their year for induction this year)

So that's why all six of those acts that I just mentioned (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and The Zombies) are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 18:15pm


This could be the year for Bernie Taupin!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 22:36pm


Are you saying that because of the article that implied a non-performer would be inducted?

There are a few non-performers who should get inducted before him, though. Maybe Don Cornelius?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 22:55pm


Are you saying that because of the article that implied a non-performer would be inducted?

There are a few non-performers who should get inducted before him, though. Maybe Don Cornelius?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 22:56pm


What do I think? I like Richie's predictions better than my own, except that the Zombies should be replaced with another 60s band more deserving, but none are on the ballot, so...

Once more, my final picks after the vote is done...

My predictions for the final inductees are as follows:


Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren
The Cure
Janet Jackson
The Zombies (changed from Kraftwerk)
Stevie Nicks

Who I would prefer:

Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren
The Cure
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk
Radiohead

Nothing against Stevie, but she is a better collaborator than independent solo artist, and if we are going to get a repeat female nominee, it should be like Tina Turner, or another solo powerhouse that trail blazed like Pat Benatar or Kate Bush. I welcome all feedback, even conspiracy theorist rhetoric lol. (Edit: The Zombies don't really belong as a 2 hit wonder, but unfortunately the committee seems to think anyone attached to the harder rock side of the Brit invasion deserves to go in. I would counter Herman's Hermits is much more worthy, had WAY more than 2 hits, and innovated more than Zombies)

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 12/10/2018 @ 23:10pm


My final list of who WILL get in remains the last:
1.) Def Leppard
2.) Todd Rundgren
3.) The Zombies
4.) Janet Jackson
5.) John Prine
6.) LL Cool J/Roxy Music (if there is a sixth inductee, look for these three acts to get in)

Who I want in:
Def Leppard
Janet
Todd
Rufus & Chaka Khan
The Cure
Radiohead

I was so sure about Stevie getting in (and I personally don't want her inducted as a solo; not because she sucks - she's one of the coolest, most legendary artists ever with and without Fleetwood Mac - but because she's already in with FM and it has nothing to do with her solo material; the Stevie stuff I've listened to I've loved it; Edge of Seventeen will always get me amped up) but I think in the last several weeks, I think the fact that she's already in would hold a big barrier for her. Initially I was sure of her entry when she led that fan vote, in which only 3 million people participated in versus 6 million last time. But the history of fan votes always follows a pattern.

Like for two years, there would be four of the five in the top 5 fan vote getters to get in and then that next year, just three. Three artists from that top five will get in this year and they're all guys. Janet will likely kill Stevie's chances of a dual induction because of Alan Light if anything. Alan wants her, he doesn't want her to lose, which is why he said what he said.

Can it STILL be possible for BOTH Janet and Stevie to get in? Sure! Troy L. Smith sure thinks so and he's not the only one... what I am sure of, history will happen in these scenarios: Janet gets inducted, Stevie gets to be a dual inductee or both of them can get in together in the so-called "Year of the Woman", which has been 2018. We're in the middle of the #MeToo movement and BOTH of them are musical figureheads of that movement. Janet has been assuring her feminist activist stance in recent months.

I want Radiohead in but I think Radiohead are so anti-establishment, even more so than Todd Rundgren is, that the Hall will pass on them again. As much as people want them in - and I'm in the same boat - they're not getting in. The bias against '90s acts will continue until we get a 1990s-heavy list to choose from.

The Cure will get in but I think they'll be in seventh place when it comes down to counting the ballots. By 2020, their fortunes would change and they'll finally be entered into the Hall.

Rufus & Chaka Khan or Chaka Khan as a solo will get another try. Once they finally get Janet in, Chaka is almost a sure bet for the next time she gets nominated, either through Rufus or by herself. But it depends on what happens with Stevie Nicks too. If Stevie somehow LOSES the induction like I'm now thinking, will they nominate her again or not? Who knows? Probably not. So Chaka should get in when they nominate her and/or her with Rufus. They should have no more barriers next time. They'll probably be eighth place.

But who knows, maybe Richie is right for all we know!

Posted by Timothy on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 00:33am


@ Follower,

Don Cornelius is LONG BEYOND overdue. He should've been in 20 years ago. He is with Soul Train the equivalent of Dick Clark.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 02:39am


@ Follower,

Don Cornelius is LONG BEYOND overdue. He should've been in 20 years ago. He is with Soul Train the equivalent of Dick Clark.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 02:39am


@ Follower,

Don Cornelius is LONG BEYOND overdue. He should've been in 20 years ago. He is with Soul Train the equivalent of Dick Clark.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 02:39am


K-Dawg

Once again you disrespect me. You disrespect your mama. You disrespect your grandma.

Soul Train was never the equivalent of American Bandstand.

Don Cornelius is not long overdue.

This rbist garbage needs to stop right now.

You need to look into his mentor,Herb Kent a much more influential person in regards to Rock and Roll. For the records Blacks were not the only ones to listen to Herbie Baby or is that your problem?

Not one of you rbist knew what a Dustie was.

All I can say is shame on the whole bunch of you.

You need to get over your ignorant selves and look into why Herb Kent is actually the important one.

Don Cornelius did not influence as much as you think.

Just remember if Aretha Franklyn mentions you when you die along with several other big names then you are an influential person.


Here is a challenge for you kiddies

No more talking Don Cornelius until you kids can do a compare and contrast between the 2.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 05:35am


I always liked Don Cornelius a lot better than Dick Clark & Soul Train was a much better show (IMO) than Bandstand.

I hope he gets in. Too bad he's already passed on.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 06:58am


Timothy,

We agree as we often do this season. Radiohead are just too anti establishment. You say the Hall will pass on them. It is not the Hall technically it is a majority of the voters that will pass on them. The bias against 90s acts will continue. After Pearl Jam 90s acts are a hard sell to all the veteran voters.

The Cure don't have this problem. The Cure are primarily an 80s act. There are certainly veteran voters that will vote for the Cure. NOT amongst the Veteran inductees but veteran critics. I don't think this is the time. By 2020 sounds right for them the Cure to be entered in the Hall. A decade earlier makes difference. Lots of support of 80s acts NOT 90s acts.

The only thing we disagree on is Stevie Nicks. I hold out for Stevie Nicks to be inducted. It is very possible both Stevie and Janet get in this year. I was very confused about your scenarios. You said Stevie gets to be a dual inductee in one scenario. And you said another scenario is they both get in together in the "Year of the Women"That is the same thing. But it supports my view that Stevie Nicks is inducted.

As you said for all we know richie is right about the whole thing. He makes good points.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 06:59am


Paul

Your personal taste have no place in evaluation.

Go hang your head in shame.

This is about 2 black men and who had a bigger and more important impact on r&r not r&b.

Herb Kent vs Don Cornelius


Sounds like you are afraid that this white woman will teach you something you are ignorant about.

s




Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 08:19am


Zuzu,

You might be right about Herb Kent. However, I disrespect NO ONE, least of all my mother and grandma, who still to this day are walking the earth and 2 of the strongest women that have ever existed.

Anyway, Don Cornelius is a very important icon. Most of what I watched of him was reruns, but his smooth voice and the inviting tone showed that, like traditional hard rock, r&b was for anyone that loved music, not for a silly barrier based on a pigmentation of one's epidermis. We are all people, we all love music, we can love whatever we want. I don't know Herb Kent, I will be honest. However, there is plenty of room to influence, regardless of when you grew up. You grew up in the 50s and 60s. I grew up in the 80s and 90s. We can all have music that is important to us. Don Cornelius IS just like Dick Clark. Both deserve to be in the RRHOF, potentially like your Herb Kent guy.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 12:32pm


K-Dawg

I was born in 58 so no I did not grow up in the 50s

Did you know both were part of the Good Guys team at WVON?

Did you know Herb Kent mentored Don Cornelius?

Herb Kent was often the first black dj to get a position normally given to a white person

He made it possible for a black woman named Yvonne Daniels to dj at a top 40s station

You need to look into Herb Kent and I believe when you start adding things up that you will see that Herb Kent so out weighs Don Cornelius that you maybe he is more minor than you realize.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 13:01pm


Def Leppard is hardly some major lock, even if I have them #2 on my 2019 guess list. I'd give The Zombies about a 90% chance and Def Leppard maybe a 65% chance.

Def Leppard not getting in would prove two things.

1) That the fan vote winner is not automatically inducted.

2) That the Rock Hall's bias against hard rock (see Judas Priest last year and the eons it took for Black Sabbath to get in) still looms large. Bon Jovi had a lot of industry friends and connections, especially in the United States. Def Leppard does not, is seen as a HARDER rock act, and is associated more with hair metal than any act to ever make the ballot.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 15:52pm


Casper,

So you think Def Leppard will make history as the first act to WIN the fan vote to NOT get inducted??? Interesting...

BUT I could see it in a sense. But it would be historic since no other band who won the fan vote were denied induction. I did also see people hesitating on putting them in there...

Thursday is gonna be interesting...

Posted by Timothy on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 16:46pm


Ben,

Yeah, I'm still pretty mixed on Stevie. I love her and wouldn't be disappointed at all if she's picked.

This is probably the first year where except for three people honestly, I'm not totally sure will get in or not. And I know that sometimes I guess wrong. So yeah don't take my word on Stevie seriously.

Posted by Timothy on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 16:48pm


Honestly though, I hope this year, we'll see more early influence inductees like Roy Brown and Wynonie Harris, two artists who arguably started rock and roll as we know it (not Ike Turner; I don't consider "Rocket 88" a "rock and roll" song. Sam Phillips was a snake charmer for the most part). Why they haven't gotten in, I don't even know!

Posted by Timothy on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 16:51pm


I'm just not seeing any reason the critics would toss votes over to Def Leppard. That automatically hurts them big time.

Then you look at the pop/R&B/Rap inductees. Do they have a reason to vote for DL? Nope.

So, what's left? Guitar based bands. And how many of them actually take Def Leppard and hair metal seriously? Why would a member of The Cars vote for Def Leppard when they can vote for Roxy Music, The Cure, The Zombies, Radiohead, Kraftwerk, etc.? Likewise, would any members of Pearl Jam or U2 or Nirvana support Def Leppard? Not really. Buffalo Springfield? Steve Miller?

I'm just not really seeing their induction as being a given, even though my "common sense" approach figures they will get in simply based on their ballot competition and the voter's biases shown in the voting...

...but don't forget that Judas Priest did "horribly" last year according to voting committee members. That's rather telling.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 17:12pm


*nominating comittee

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 17:13pm


I'm going to post my final and official predictions for this year's inductees (if six) one last time and they are:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
LL Cool J
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

All six of those acts that I just mentioned are the ones that I feel very strongly about and I really think that those six acts that I just mentioned will be this year's induction class (if six).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 17:23pm


Metallica is hardly the same sound as Def Leppard, but they definitely could be considered hair metal in a lesser degree.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 17:44pm


Casper,

I didn't think of it like that... but then you wonder how strong are any of them? I think of that list with the top five votegetters, the strongest reaction seems to come from Todd Rundgren and The Zombies and to a lesser degree The Cure. I also wonder if the Hall is populist-out. Like they could seriously go for a critics-only list! IDK... but you brought up a great point!

Posted by TImothy on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 18:07pm


Casper,

So let's take away Def Leppard, that could definitely open doors for The Cure to get in. And Stevie's induction is secure.

So Thursday's list could look like this:
The Cure
Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies
Roxy Music or John Prine being inductee #6

Posted by Timothy on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 18:11pm


Timothy,

I think that the populist trend will continue this year, I just can't see Def Leppard missing out this year, in my opinion, each of the last six fan vote winners has gotten in (Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey and Bon Jovi), so I expect that it will continue and Def Leppard will get in this year continuing the populist trend.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 18:34pm


Timothy,

I think that the populist trend will continue this year, I just can't see Def Leppard missing out this year, in my opinion, each of the last six fan vote winners has gotten in (Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey and Bon Jovi), so I expect that it will continue and Def Leppard will get in this year continuing the populist trend.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 18:34pm


Richie,

But Casper brought up a great point that I think needs more look into.

Like remember last year, when Bon Jovi won the top spot of that year, but it's been brought up that actually NINA SIMONE won the most votes of THAT year.

To me that actually says a lot. Who knows what seed Bon Jovi was when they got in with Nina. Some who win the fan vote probably WOULDN'T have gotten in without it. Def Leppard could definitely have less votes than the Zombies. That can indeed happen.

Posted by Timothy on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 19:35pm


Timothy,

But the Hall doesn't want the bad publicity of the fan vote winner not getting inducted, they really don't want a PR nightmare on their hands, so I really think that Def Leppard are the biggest shoo-in for induction this year and they are a lock for induction this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 19:52pm


The inductees are going to leak tonight or tomorrow. Something tells me that.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 20:43pm


Casper,

I can see your point, but I think guitar bands are going to vote for other guitar bands. I think it really will be that simple. Nina Simone got the most votes partially because other guitar bands were all for her. Remember how Dave Davies of the Kinks was particularly in favor of her? And after her, the rest of the ballot was.... classic rock guitar bands. So maybe Judas Priest finished so poorly only because they had stiffer competition that Def Leppard CLEARLY does not have this year.

I don't follow closely who toured with whom, but if Def Leppard toured with any of those bands at any point, then yeah, I'd say those band members are going to vote for DL. It's a pretty sure bet that the four inducted members of KISS are gonna vote for them, as will likely the inducted members of Bon Jovi.

And DL isn't as low of a common denominator as Bon Jovi is, so I think that can only help them get a few more votes.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 20:45pm


*rest of the class of 2018 was guitar bands, not ballot. Sorry

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 20:48pm


Yeah, it would be weird to see Def Leppard missing after Bon Jovi and Journey made it considering those bands had even less critical acclaim. Would they be one of the top five acts chosen by critics? Vs. Kraftwerk, Radiohead, The Cure, Roxy Music, John Prine, Todd Rundgren, The Zombies, and Janet Jackson? Not likely (although I know Chuck Eddy was Def Leppard's biggest critical champion and he's on the Voting Committee.) But you could say that Bon Jovi and Journey got no critical support either and they still made it (I think Def Leppard has more critical support than The Moody Blues or Chicago who got in recently too.) They did make the Rolling Stone greatest albums list when I doubt those others did except for maybe Days of Future Passed. Not that Rolling Stone nearly matters as much as people think it does when it comes to the Rock Hall anyway since I know they love The Cure and The Smiths too and they're still waiting...

I think the real issue is that the critics' choices are going to end up canceling each other out for the most part (unless they all unite in some sort of cabal), so it will come down to the musician votes.

"Why would a member of The Cars vote for Def Leppard when they can vote for Roxy Music, The Cure, The Zombies, Radiohead, Kraftwerk, etc.? Likewise, would any members of Pearl Jam or U2 or Nirvana support Def Leppard? Not really."

Yeah, The Cars aren't voting for them but the problem with the more arty/new wave oriented acts are: 1. the genre is being badly snubbed so there aren't so many of them voting; 2. their votes are going to be split.

Jeff Ament put Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, and Ted Nugent on his shirt so I would say him voting for them is likely (sure, he left Def Leppard off but I think he was ultimately just putting names he thought of quickly without thinking about it too hard and those probably aren't all the names he supports - see the Tom Waits and Oasis mistakes.) Same for Stone Gossard. They were in Mother Love Bone before Pearl Jam and that was sort of a band that bridged the gap between hair metal and grunge. Nirvana/U2/R.E.M.? I doubt they would but there just isn't much alt rock in the hall compared to the '70s hard rock bands that usually had (more) members inducted.

I suppose I can understand the argument that Journey and Bon Jovi had a lot of friends here because they were American bands and Def Leppard is not and there is an anti-British bias. Still though, they were much more popular here than they were in Britain and I think they'd be more likely to get into an American HoF sooner than a British one (if it still existed) as a result.

"...but don't forget that Judas Priest did "horribly" last year according to voting committee members. That's rather telling."

Because they have a dangerous/aggressive vibe that the Hall tends to find repellent (Black Sabbath/Sex Pistols/N.W.A.) and they were also less popular and (strangely) less acclaimed by critics (indeed, Def Leppard is at 397 and Judas Priest is at 651 on acclaimedmusic.net, perhaps shockingly.) Priest was much more innovative/influential but metal-specific critics raved about them while mainstream types would tend to sneer (probably not currently, no, but the present-day critics who don't have that bias would be too young to be on any of the committees.) I don't find them that comparable. Def Leppard would seem to have much better odds. Plus Judas Priest had a lot more competition.

"Metallica is hardly the same sound as Def Leppard, but they definitely could be considered hair metal in a lesser degree."

Aerosmith, Alice Cooper, KISS, and Van Halen would seem more obvious here. Aerosmith and KISS are probably the main influences on hair metal and those four certainly jumped on the bandwagon in the '80s and '90s. I would guess their members unanimously vote for Def Leppard (AC/DC too). Less sure about artier metal acts like Zeppelin, Sabbath, or Metallica though...

"Edit: The Zombies don't really belong as a 2 hit wonder, but unfortunately the committee seems to think anyone attached to the harder rock side of the Brit invasion deserves to go in."

I think it's more about how critically acclaimed the Odessey and Oracle album is than their particular genre. It's true though that bands whose almost entire case rests on one massively critically acclaimed album don't usually do well, except for Sex Pistols (Love and Television haven't made it and Liz Phair and Jeff Buckley would certainly have trouble.) Still, the Zombies had hits so it is more than just the one album, and you keep saying two hits, but it's actually three... Given how they usually rarely induct people who have one big album and flame out (except the Sex Pistols) that precedent would seem to argue against The Zombies, but I'd say they should still be in.

Posted by Sean on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 21:43pm


Bill Wyman on Stevie Nicks' possible induction if she's announced as one of them Thursday:

"The more I think about it, the possibility that Stevie Nicks might get into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame this week could become the worst hall screwup yet.

And that's saying something."

Well damn lol

To be fair, he does give Stevie props for what she did with Fleetwood Mac but is definitely not impressed with her as a solo artist.

Here's another quote:

"By the hall's own stated standards, if she gets in as a solo artists she may be the hall's most unrigorous induction yet."

Basically what Bill Wyman (the writer) is saying is Stevie's induction would NOT be what the Rock Hall stands for!

Just... DAMN. That's just... I've never seen someone get this kind of slam! Not even from the rock purists crowd.

Posted by Timothy on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 22:04pm


Sean,

You just brought up something interesting about Def Leppard that I recognized after reading their Wiki the other night:

Def Leppard were ALWAYS trying to appeal to Americans first and their home base second (which is why they got booed and had things thrown at them during the Reading Festival in Reading, England in 1980).

In fact when I first heard of them, I thought they were another American band. Until like the '90s when they mentioned being British lol

Posted by Timothy on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 22:09pm


Timmy

That man is just down right sexist.


He needs to discuss the multiple dips with men. This is where the problem started.

The practice also violated hall guidelines for nom consideration

depth and length of body of work

This says the practice should never have happened

2 short years with a band 3 times gets 3 noms while the deserving 10 or 20 year run sits on the sidelines

This is part of the reason the 70s are so way underrepresented

60s has beens and 80s want to bes does not the 70s make

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 12/11/2018 @ 22:17pm


https://www.rockhall.com/class-2019-nominees

THE FINAL RESULTS OF THE FAN VOTE ARE SHOWING IN HERE

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 00:26am


I just want to say as we approach the official announcement that I feel the ones with the most chance are Def Leppard, John Prine and Todd Rundgren and the Zombies. Here again is my full list of predictions for 2019.

Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
John Prine
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

If six I do say Janet Jackson.

Although they are outside my prediction list I feel the Cure have a fairly good chance despite lack of support among Hall inductees. There is lots of critics who like them. They were raved about so much I did own Disintegration on tape in 1989. It was not my thing Then or now. I experimented with listening to them. As I recall Disintegration was their biggest selling album.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 07:36am


My predictions for this year's inductees are

Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Todd Rundgren
Stevie Nicks
LL Cool J

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 08:45am


It is now December 12, and in less than two days,, the Rock Hall will announce the 2019 inductees.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five artists: (Roxy Music, Radiohead, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk and The Zombies), Roxy Music and The Zombies and quite possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly less than 2 days to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

In my honest opinion, Todd Rundgren should definitely receive the award for Musical Excellence.

If there happens to be a wildcard, then it could be Radiohead.

I know that this ballot is not ideal under any circumstances and many of my fellow prog aficionados are certainly not interested in supporting this particular ballot. However, prog artists generally tend to support other prog artists and Roxy Music and quite possibly, The Zombies are going to receive their votes. Next year, we will hopefully have Jethro Tull, Procol Harum and Duran Duran to choose from.

Philip, thank you for posting your previous installment, of course I still think that Roxy Music’s Induction will finally open the door for Duran Duran.

Many times, I had selected the following artists: Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music, The Zombies, Kraftwerk and Devo, although Devo and Kraftwerk are rather unlikely choices.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 10:00am


What the fizzityuck was that thing Thom Yorke just tweeted? I guess that means Radiohead is in.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 19:26pm


Better yet, why did FRL retweet it? It had nothing to do with the HOF.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 19:44pm


I really don't care who gets inducted, as long as The Zombies is among those recognized. The devoted fan base, the sold out concerts and the fact that they are still recording new music should be good enough reasons for them to get this honor.

Posted by dan on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 19:47pm


Well, you shouldn't have to worry. I've never felt an induction was MORE likely for someone than The Zombies (excluding no-brainer artists that were on the ballot for the first time).

If they can't get in via a ballot like this one, I'm not sure they ever can. And it will only become harder if the voters FINALLY start honoring the key acts of the 80s/90s that have long been overlooked. Great as The Zombies are, they wouldn't stand a chance against acts like Depeche Mode, The Smiths and The Cure if the voting body was made up entirely of people under the age of 50.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 20:11pm


Seems like they could have informed Radiohead of being inducted early since they're on the other side of the pond. Get it done before the end of the workday Cleveland-time.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 20:13pm


Who usually leaks the inductees? I believe i heard that every year the inductees get leaked somehow.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 21:02pm


Probably a news source. I'm guessing several news sources have the list already and are going to post the articles online early.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 21:06pm


Is it bad that I'm looking for leaks instead of waiting lol

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 21:12pm


It might just be a random post...

Posted by Timothy on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 21:22pm


You've got about 11 hours left max. You can wait.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 21:22pm


The Hall does have precedent of electing bands that want nothing to do with it. See the Sex Pistols and the "piss stain" incident...

Def Leppard and the Cure are my for sure want-to-sees. Janet needs to be there, but sadly it's looking like the old guard might squelch from the opinions I'm observing. (disclaimer: no sources, just the general discussion from around the web I've been seeing).

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 21:36pm


Since the GIF that Thom Yorke posted ends with Paddington Bear being in the Hall, perhaps that's what he's trying to say about Radiohead.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 21:41pm


Since the GIF that Thom Yorke posted ends with Paddington Bear being in the Hall, perhaps that's what he's trying to say about Radiohead.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 21:41pm


K-Dawg

Get over your old guard garbage. JJ needs to go by by.


THIS IS NOT ROCK AND ROLL PUT THIS IN ITS OWN HALL

NOBODY WANTS THIS GARBAGE NOBODY IS VOTING

I knew they were gong to cheat but this is disgusting.



DO NOT BE SURPRISED TO SEE THE ARTIST REACT


no oversight - you can not say any of the people

All cheats by the corporate morons running this scam.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 22:02pm


I hope Radiohead gets in. They more than enough deserve to get in.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 22:08pm


OMG. Think I just discovered a leak for reals. Let me check this out.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:01pm


Yep. If you use this URL

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees

And attach John Prine at the end or Rufus With Chaka Khan nothing happens.

But attach Radiohead or Def Leppard and it changes to "2019 inductees"

Ergo, those two are in. Let me find the others.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:03pm


Zombies are in.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:03pm


The Cure are in. Janet Jackson is NOT.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:04pm


Kraftwerk actually works! Wow.


So, Radiohead/Def Leppard/Kraftwerk/Zombies...Rundgren did not work.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:05pm


LL Cool J does not work. MC5 does not work.

Roxy Music DOES work. They are in!

Stevie Nicks works. She's in! That makes six.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:07pm


Rage Against The Machine does NOT work.


Your six performer inductees:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Kraftwerk
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Stevie Nicks
The Zombies


And there you have it. An incredible class except for Stevie. Still thinking Rudgren gets in via ME at a later point.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:09pm


@Casper how do you exactly attach the band at the url? I want to find out for myself.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:09pm


Oh, wow. It's seven performers. Just realized that. Maybe they are finally listening?

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:11pm


I don't really use Twitter. Feel free to repost these. The Rock Hall's dumb website has screwed them. I'd love for you all to help embarass them.

Guess they're going with 7 performers and no backdoor of Rundgren since that above group makes for quite the television event.

If you do the URL thing that I mention, it changes to "2019 inductees" for all seven of those (although it brings up an error page). It does not work for the other names on the ballot.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:14pm



About the 2019 Nominees, Casper wrote:

Oh, wow. It's seven performers. Just realized that. Maybe they are finally listening?

Wednesday, 12.12.18 @ 23:11pm

What are you talking about? Where did you read there will be 7 inductees? Maybe 3 nominees tied the number 5 spot in votes, and that's why they are inducting 7?

Where is the link?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:19pm


Yes, Michael. And the URL switches to "2019 inductees" for the seven I mentioned. I could not replicate this with the other names on the ballot.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:19pm


If this is true, i'm going to be immensely happy

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:21pm


For The Cure, it's just /cure but then it turns into 2019 Inductees and changes the name to /the-cure. LOL.

Same for The Zombies. Enter /zombies and it works.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:21pm


Michael, it's an AWESOME class. We need other people to re-tweet this, etc.


The 2019 Inductees:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Stevie Nicks
The Zombies


Oh, no! I erred on Kraftwerk, it does not work. So there are just six. :/


Again, Kraftwerk did NOT get in.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:23pm



Even without Kraftwerk (sorry for my error there), it is still MASSIVE that The Cure got in. This is going to open a lot of doors. Feels like the Hall has finally inducted a proper "alternative" act and now so many dozens of other snubs have a prayer.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:28pm


Now it looks like Janet Jackson is working too. It appears that that's changed in recent minutes. I wonder if Stevie Nicks didn't get the votes and was put in Musical Excellence like Ringo Starr...

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:30pm


Christmas came early. Where is everybody?

I bet the East Coast just went to bed and the fact that I'm not on Twitter or have a Rock Hall blog/media presence won't help much.

We found the inductees, y'all!

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:32pm


Just because I don't see them picking seven and I also don't see any of those others being shunted to Musical Excellence...

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:32pm


Oh wow. You are right. Janet Jackson is NOW working.

Man, what if we just caught the Hall pulling some last minute BS? I swear it did not work earlier.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:35pm


None of the links you listed above are working: "page not found." Shocked and very very happy if Roxy Music, The Cure and Radiohead get in thou.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:35pm


Maybe still 7? Would they let 7 bands get in?

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:38pm


The Seven Names That Currently Switch To "2019 Inductee" URLS:


https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/def-leppard
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/radiohead
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/stevie-nicks
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/cure
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/zombies
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/roxy-music
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/janet-jackson


Janet Jackson did NOT work earlier and I SWEAR that Kraftwerk did on my first try but perhaps the latter was in error.

That said, Janet Jackson absolutely did NOT work the first time around. Is the Hall pulling something shady? Could they have looked at these six inductees and someone DEMANDED that Janet be included?

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:39pm


About the 2019 Nominees, Casper wrote:

The links for the SIX CONFIRMED PERFORMER INDUCTEES:

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/def-leppard
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/radiohead
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/stevie-nicks
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/cure
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/zombies
https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/roxy-music

It says 404 Error - Page not found - broken link for each artist, even the ones you don't have listed, like Janet Jackson and Todd Rundgren. So how do you know these are the inductees?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:39pm


It's the url changing in the address bar. The directory switches from inductees to 2019-inductees. If you plug in somebody who doesn't work like Devo or whatever it just shows the inductees page; for the picks presumed to be the actual inductees it switches to the "page not pound" page.

If this is the class, is this the most British class ever? 5/7?

And since they never really do more than 6 lately I'm honestly guessing they put somebody in Musical Excellence - I'm guessing Stevie as a response to the museum fan vote?

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:40pm


Nick, I never said the pages were UP.

Look at the URL change when you type in those seven names. The URL, for no reason, switches to "2019 Inductees"...and it even corrects zombies and cure as the-zombies and the-cure.

The other names do NOT switch to "2019 inductees" in the URL.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:42pm


Well, Jackson and Kraftwerk are next to each other alphabetically (assuming they do it alphabetically by last name and don't put John Prine in between) so they could have a binary on/off switch for each one that they're clicking and somebody made an error and clicked the "yes" radio button one row down...

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:43pm


They've inducted 7 in the main performers category before. They are not giving Stevie Nicks the Musical Excellence category. That would be stupid.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:44pm


Yeah, Sean it's either 7 Performer inductees or Stevie Nicks would have to be the one that they shift over to M.E. I honestly think they are just going with 7 for a big time show...

...and it still feels like BS that the Janet Jackson link did not work when all these other ones were but now it suddenly does...I dunno. Maybe they went with 7 at the last minute and she finished 7th, but even still...

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:44pm


Regardless of how the list changes, Radiohead and Cure seem like 100% in?

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:44pm


It certainly seems more likely Jackson got in since there's not a lot of crossover there and I think critics post-Les Moonves and black artists were united in her corner, while a lot of the Kraftwerk vote would have gotten split, and it seems unlikely they really made it if the Cure and Roxy Music and Radiohead all did make it, whose voters would have a lot of crossover with Kraftwerk's.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:45pm


"They've inducted 7 in the main performers category before. They are not giving Stevie Nicks the Musical Excellence category. That would be stupid."

I mean so were Ringo Starr and Wanda Jackson and arguably Nile Rodgers (not because he didn't deserve it but because of the chicanery that seemed to be surrounding it.) That category's been a dumpster fire the entire time.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:46pm


WTF? Kraftwerk is TOTALLY in my history. I was right.

Kraftwerk's page worked and their were SEVEN. Now it does not and Janet Jackson's DOES.

This is supreme BS. The Rock Hall is literally just trying to get television ratings.

Dafuq? I'll try to take a screenshot later. The fixed URL totally shows up in my history.

This is some special kind of BS. Are we to believe the guy running the website created a NEW URL for Kraftwerk and then scrubbed it and went for Janet Jackson? There was a last minute switch, damn it!

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:47pm


Or they just had a bunch of yes/no buttons like I said and Kraftwerk was the row underneath and somebody accidentally clicked that one. If they are capable of messing up things so people can see the nominees in advance, do you think it's impossible they'd make an error like that?

I really don't buy Kraftwerk making it when The Cure, Radiohead, and Roxy Music also did because Kraftwerk's votes would have been to split, and I do think critics were really united for Jackson because she is probably more acclaimed than both LL Cool J and Rufus and because of the Les Moonves deal. I think it was just a misclick, which they probably thought was no big deal because they thought no one would see it.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:50pm


For those wondering, these six have not changed since I discovered the error:

The Cure/Def Leppard/Radiohead/Roxy Music/Stevie Nicks/The Zombies


Kraftwerk worked, now it does not. Janet Jackson did not work, now it does.

The other seven that were on the ballot have always NOT worked.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:53pm


Kraftwerk was IN as of 805 PM PST. When I went back and tried again at 824 PM PST, they were not.

I had only checked again in the first place because I imagined I was seeing things.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:55pm


I'm not doubting you. I just think it's a mistake. You think it's malice. Both are easily plausible. I just don't think it's likely Kraftwerk would have gotten in the top five on enough ballots considering The Cure, Radiohead, and Roxy Music also made it. Jackson seems more likely because there is nothing else comparable.

Really I know enough about SQL coding that I know you just make one page and display different content depending on what variables you input. You don't have to make a brand new page each time and I'm sure they didn't. They presumably had some database with some yes/no on/off button and clicked the wrong one. I really don't think it's likely Kraftwerk got in considering those others did.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 12/12/2018 @ 23:59pm


To reiterate, these are THE SEVEN INDUCTEES that got in from this year's ballot (we know this because the /inductee/(artist name) URL switches to "2019 Inductee") :


The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Stevie Nicks
The Zombies


We do NOT know if anybody else not on the ballot got in via other categories or if any of the above names, such as Stevie Nicks, got in through a category like Musical Excellence. All we know is that there are now URLS for all seven of those that switch to "2019 Inductee"

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:00am


Sean, given that people get to vote for five names and those other three cover similar ground, I think it HELPS with the argument that Kraftwerk got in.

I mean, ask yourself, would the HBO Broadcast rather have Janet Jackson or Kraftwerk? Would the Hall want to induct FOUR electronic influenced bands by inducting Kraftwerk AND face the backlash of NO black inductees?

I think a last minute switch has occurred. Regardless, I am CERTAIN that either Janet Jackson or Kraftwerk finished SEVENTH in the voting since those other six names have always worked and it seems LIKELY that both Kraftwerk or Janet would be behind these other names in the vote total. Especially considering the many times they have failed to get in in the past.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:04am


That's wild. But it would be great if they inducted more than six this year!

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:06am


I mean, how friggin' disturbing is it that the Hall COULD be deciding all of this stuff at the last minute?

Do we do six inductees or seven? Do we just toss somebody else into the seven, potentially, because it's better for the television special?

I mean, christ, it was 11 PM EST when I noticed the Kraftwerk-to-Janet shift.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:06am


Would they really have it be 7 (or 6) bands? If they do, that's a foot in the right path.

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:07am


As of right now, Michael, seven names from the ballot got inducted. So it's going to be seven.

Frankly, it should have been that many for years and years. Another 20 big snubs (or more?) would have been in by now since they had so many years where they went with just 5 or 6.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:08am


For sure I understand the logic of why they'd do it if they did it. I just think most people of a critical bent would be more likely to have balanced ballots and switching several between The Cure, Kraftwerk, Radiohead, and Roxy Music, rather than taking all of them. Maybe I'm wrong and the critics are so sick of the populist selections that they've decided simply never to vote for them and vote for critical choices en masse at this point to fight against a class like the last view (indeed, the original ballot itself would be evidence for that where they just took a critics' list and added the top two in the Museum Fan Vote.)

I can see the argument and the financial incentive or whatever for them to do that, but I'm still in the "they goofed" camp, and since they goof a lot, that also makes sense.

Posted by Sean on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:09am


For the record, none of them work now. But it's possible they probably did a mistake in the Kraftwerk thing and it's possible we may have seven inductees because the Hall is trying to avoid a backlash of any sort! I wonder if someone was reminded "remember when you used to induct more than six? Go back to that."

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:09am


Having it be only 5 bands was stupid. I hope that Cure, Radiohead, and Kraftwerk get in. Kraftwerk should've been inducted ever since they were first eligible.

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:10am


Casper

what are you smoking to think this group got the most votes?

Lowest fan vote total ever says they did not get votes.


Of course those record company corporate jerks could have ignored actual votes and cheated with a list NOBODY wants.

NO OVERSIGHT NO WINNERS

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:11am


"a class like the last view"

Obviously that was supposed to be last few. I have no idea how I wrote that.

Posted by Sean on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:11am


I mean, good point, Sean...never doubt the Hall when it comes to running things poorly. That has been their MO for decades.

Regardless, it's still a great class. Janet totally deserves it. But man, my jaw was on the floor when the Kraftwerk link worked. Perhaps it was too good to be true?

Funny enough five of the others didn't really surprise me. I was crossing my fingers that Stevie Nicks would not work, but of course, it did. Ugh. I guess I consider that one surprising since the Kraftwerk link was working at the time. I think I checked everybody before Nicks because that is how LOW she is on my radar.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:11am


Oh god not you. You were the reason why i left this website for a while.

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:11am


@Casper,

Yeah I can see them doing that! And they should've done it all the time. Kraftwerk had to get passed over because of what's been happening to the black vote especially considering one of the biggest black icons was nominated and the Hall was thinking "putting Kraftwerk in Barclays won't be smart". But they would fit in 2020's list for sure. So they'll be back on the list.

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:15am


Interesting that the links no longer work. I gotta run for now.

It will be interesting to see if any of the name that "worked" end up not getting in. We had a total of eight working.

Seven That Worked Until It Stopped

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Stevie Nicks
The Zombies

One That Worked And Did Not Circa 20 Minutes Later:

Kraftwerk


I can absolutely believe that the rest of the ballot did not get inducted. Those names were much bigger wild cards in my opinion.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:19am


@Sean,

Yeah I don't really think they were going to induct Kraftwerk. Plus too many bands in. Also, just two solo artists, I see. What happened with Todd?!

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:19am


It's interesting. Of course, the Hall's history is even worse when it comes to their website. Still, that'd be a pretty awesome class. It means I went 5 for 7, since I seeded them.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:19am


BTW, the link redirects are still working. I just tried Janet Jackson and it worked.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:21am


@Casper,

It would be wilder if eight did get in! LOL

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:21am


What if they put all of them in?

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:22am


@Casper,

Can you tell me how it works, just copy and paste your links?

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:22am


Timothy, looks like there is no Rundgren induction whatsoever. I'm sure the URL change would have worked if he was in. I guess they avoided a backdoor induction for him if they are going with SEVEN Performers...

...and then if there is a Janet/Kraftwerk controversy which I am open to the possibility of, then it means Rundgren likely finished no better than NINTH.

More Performer inductees means less time for the other categories. And all seven of these performer inductees can perform.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:27am


Doesn't mean Radiohead will even show up or that Roxy Music will reunite though...although I think this sort of class makes it WAY likelier for Radiohead to want to be there in the first place than last year's with Bon Jovi and all the classic rock stuff...

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:29am


https://www.waff.com/2018/12/12/rock-roll-hall-fame-inductees-announced-thursday/

2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees announced on Thursday

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:30am


Timothy, you copy and paste the links I posted and they magically change to error links that read "2019 Inductees"...it only works for those seven artists.

It worked earlier for Kraftwerk and not for Janet. It then switched.

We know this is real because WHY would it not work for the other names on the ballot? Because they did not get in.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:31am


@Casper,

That's a good point. So it's likely Todd doesn't get anything from this! So yeah I'm pretty disappointed Rundgren wasn't that popular enough to get in. :/ BUT if this seems like the list (and it looks like it), then I'm PRETTY pleased by it!

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:33am


Have my findings taken off on Twitter or elsewhere yet? Just curious.

FRL could really get the discussion going if he posted this.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:34am


@Casper,

Then it's official! Seven inductees and all of them great picks. When they officially announced it at 8 am, I'll congratulate each and every one of them for getting in!

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:36am


Thx Casper for showing the list early. The suspense has been killing me.

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:42am


If the list of people that got in was right, I can live with Todd waiting a year. A couple logjams were eased. That said, if Kraftwerk was that close, this is total BS. If they tied Janet, put 8 in. Electronic music is what everyone outside of North America listens to, and they were the godfathers. They've been snubbed, what like 6 times? They should've gone into it in 1999...

That said, Janet has always been on my ballot so I'm not trashing her either

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 00:50am


@K-Dawg,

Could've been an honest mistake since they were right next to each other (J comes before K of course).

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 01:34am


If this proves to be the case, and you guys all seem to be pretty certain of it. 5 British bands and 2 American women inducted.. Has that ever happened before? It seems a bit unusual, but I am OK with the list if it is valid. I had Todd over Radiohead, and would much have preferred his selection, but he will get in soon. Most all of my picks were selected, if this is correct, and I had figured Prine for the M.E. or Songwriters award. Does this mean he does not have a chance for either of those honors, or does he still have a shot?

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 01:42am


Wake up, people, and start discussing! These are now inductees according to our URL sleuthing:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Stevie Nicks
The Zombies

Let's not kid ourselves, if they ALL show up and perform, that's going to be one incredible evening. With all of the bands/artists NOT performing in recent years (including the deceased solo performers), this is a massive step up. A reunited Roxy Music is the only one of the seven that currently does not do live shows.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 01:43am


Welp, since Thom Yorke uploaded a video on Twitter, the leak must be real. I can't wait to see pics of him hanging out with Joe and Robert next year.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 01:51am


Someone please correct me if my logic or assumptions or knowledge or the rules are inaccurate9.

From what I figure, if, say, 500 of the eligible voters cast ballots, and all vote for the maximum five nominees, for a total yield of 2500 votes (and this works for any other number of ballots cast). From the rules as I understand them, any nominee that appears in over 50% of the returned ballots is inducted into the Hall. So, if 251 votes are necessary to be inducted, that would make it theoretically possible for nine nominees of any class to be inducted. (2500 total votes/251 votes needed=9.9602 possible inductees.)

If this is right, seven actual inductees is not that much of a stretch.

Posted by Joe on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 02:00am


Nah, the Hall is just really, really friggin' dumb and doesn't update their voting process. This has been pointed out by FRL's owner and by people that visit FRL.

50% was a given back when they had like nine names on the ballot in 2004-ish, for obvious reasons. But I'm not so sure all the inductees surpassed 50% on a recent ballot that had 21 names...

Also, the Hall's own CEO said that they went with five inductees last year simply because the sixth choice wasn't even close. So the difference between five or six was based on whether six was "nearby" in the eyeball test when looking at the voting results.

Having seven inductees this time is just because they really wanted to have seven, I guess.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 02:10am


Will N, concerning Prine (and for that matter, Rundgren), it looks as if there just aren't Musical Excellence inductees this year because there are seven performers that can, theoretically, perform and therefore there isn't enough time to ALSO have some M.E. choices.

It also would have been unfair to not let the 7th highest vote-getter be inducted as a Performer in order to let Prine or RUndgren effectively be "the seventh inductee" via a backdoor category.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 02:12am


This is the RIGHT class for Radiohead to actually be inducted with...what-the-F did they have in common with last year's bands and some long dead black women?

Will Radiohead really say "no" to potentially witnessing a Roxy Music reunion, hanging out with The Cure and The Zombies and Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks? I mean, come on.

Honestly think they are going to show up.


And boy howdy, this really is an insane show.


Arena/Stadium Legends: The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks, Radiohead

Big Deal Potential Reunion: Roxy Music

Incredibly Beloved Live Act Decades After The Initial Break-Up: The Zombies


That is one absolutely killer show. And no rap artist walking around the stage talking (not a diss towards hip hop, it's just a boring live experience).

The tickets are going to sell out instantaneously provided all or nearly all of these acts commit to actually showing up.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 02:33am


Casper, Thanks for the info. That makes sense, although it seemed like circumstances were leading up to John Prine getting some kind of award, with him garnering some support. I felt he would come up a little short in getting the votes for induction, and it is hard to say when his next opportunity might be. I like the fact they went for 7 inductees, which adds quite a bit more excitement. Should be quite a stir, later on today.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 02:33am


@Casper wasn't Roxy Music and The Cure one of Radiohead's influences too?

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 02:45am


@ Casper, Yeah, it will be like a British music HOF reunion, with the American women to hang with. I guess that would be a great way to get them all to show up. You are right, this would be rather enticing to get Radiohead to show up. Plus a lot of Brit fans coming over to NYC, I would guess. This should be interesting.. I am just really happy for Roxy Music, have been pulling for them all along.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 02:45am


BTW, we'll know in a few hours if we are correct on those seven names, but I'm pretty certain...the same 2019 Inductees part of the URL is where the press release is going to be, etc.

For the heck of it, I went into the Revisited/Projected lists and went through a BUNCH of the plausible inductees for the Sidemen/Musical Excellence/Non-Performer/Early Influence categories...nothing came up. And again, it wasn't likely due to the aforementioned SEVEN performer inductees.

Doesn't mean there aren't more forthcoming though. And who knows what's up with that Singles category?

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 03:25am


2 hours left...

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 06:03am


1 hour left...

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 07:00am


Are they going to livestream it on youtube?

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 07:29am


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/statistics.php

Janet Jackson and Radiohead will be leaving the Future Rock Legends Voting Statistics page today!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 07:33am


I think so, but only the official announcement. They're gonna discuss the inductees on SiriusXM Channel 106.

It'll probably also be all over Twitter too, and of course this site.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 07:33am


Man, I hope y'all are right! This would be a righteous class. The Cure finally in! Roxy Music & Janet too!

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 07:56am


It has been confirmed! The rock hall website has been updated.

The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks, Radiohead, Roxy Music and The Zombies!

Wow, good job Casper!

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:04am


Janet, Roxy Music, Radiohead and The Cure finally got in! YES! YES! YES! :)

Congrats to them and the other three that got in. All seven were well deserved IMHO!

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:15am


Looking back at my final prediction, I was almost a hundred percent right about the winners.

Janet Jackson
Def Leppard
The Cure
Roxy Music
Radiohead

My only disappointment is MC5 didn’t made the cut. Like Link Wray and Procol Harum, they deserve a real induction - not on the Singles Category.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:19am


The Dude and Timothy,

Congratulations to both of you for a job well done. Timothy, unlike your predecessors you did not get upset and had remained level headed throughout these past two intense months.

So, how did I do? well, I had managed to get 5 and possibly 6 of the inductees correct. Outside of John Prine who did not get in, I had guessed that Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music, The Zombies, The Cure and Def Leppard would be inducted and that if there had been a wildcard, it could be Radiohead. My mistake had been in choosing John Prine. I still think that Todd Rundgren could receive the Musical Excellence award. However, that distinction is still within the hands of the Nominating Committee.

So, how does this fare for prog? With the recent inductions of Roxy Music and The Zombies, it looks very promising for the inductions of Duran Duran and Procol Harum in 2020. What about Jethro Tull? Unknown, but now a block of votes for King Crimson is now emerging. So, King Crimson could be inducted as soon as 2021, or 2022. Still, I would expect to see a nomination for Jethro Tull later next year.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:47am


Its annoying that Kraftwerk did not make it in. They are my favorite band. I loved seeing Janet Jackson get in though.

Posted by rs on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 02:38am



This thread is closed to new comments. Thanks to everyone who responded.

This site is not affiliated in any way with the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and Museum or the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation.