The 2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

The 2019 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees were announced on December 13th.

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Nice detective work, Casper. We've got confirmation.

7 acts though. Whoa! Nice.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:18am


The Cure and Radiohead. FINALLY!!

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:18am


Woah, wicked. I'll be honest, this class is 50% expected for me, and 50% "Woah!". Like, Janet. Stevie, and Leppard were all expected for me. But man, The Cure, Radiohead, and Roxy Music were total shocks for me. (Not that I'm complaining!) I was on the fence with The Zombies, so I won't count them. Also kinda surprised Rundgren wasn't included, but I'd rather have him inducted as a side-man than a performer.

Posted by Jason Dagotto on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:28am


Big props to Casper!

Posted by FRL on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:32am


I have a feeling that Zuzu isn't going to happy with this.

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:38am


So Todd Rudgren joins Nine Inch Nails and Judas Priest in the "Top 5 nont inducted" club.


They could still get him in as a non-performer, though.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:44am


In my opinion, one of the best classes in years. Excellent work, Casper!

Michael, you know Zuzu is going to have a lot to say- or rather, she'll have the same thing to say a lot.

It's been a great Rock Hall season. I can't wait for this induction ceremony.

Posted by Greg P. on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:48am


Looking back at my final prediction, I was almost a hundred percent right about the winners.

Janet Jackson
Def Leppard
The Cure
Roxy Music
Radiohead

My only disappointment is MC5 didn’t made the cut. Like Link Wray and Procol Harum, they deserve a real induction - not on the Singles Category.

Lady Gaga, Corey Taylor, Gerard Way and Michael Stipe better be this year’s inductors.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:55am


Michael

Anybody with half a brain knows these people did not get the votes. Look at the artist. They wouldn't be voting for these people. Question is did they even bother to count votes.


NO OVERSIGHT - NO WINNERS


Then there is the big questions.

Are these corporate clowns that stupid that they think this propaganda is going to fly?

What are the artist going to do?

There have been hints over the last several years that something was going to done - is this the straw that broke the camel's back?

Is it popcorn time?



Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:56am


Well, good thing you're not in charge of The Hall Of Fame, huh?

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:57am


I LOVE this group. My faith in the institution has been restored, I guess. Too bad Kraftwerk didn't make it, but for the rest, yay! Now hoping that Radiohead will show up for the induction ceremony.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 08:59am


Radiohead is one of rock's last important bands. They shifted the music plan with pay-what-you-want releases for In Rainbows. OK Computer is considered by MANY people to be one of the greatest albums of all time. Nearly every single one of their albums was a critical and commercial success. 20 years later, they still sell-out tours. They deserve to be in there.

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:01am


Biggest question now is will Brian Eno be inducted with Roxy Music.

Posted by Will on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:03am


Brian Eno IS being inducted as a member of Roxy Music.

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:04am


I think the biggest question is how they are going to fit all 7 acts in one show. That and there's probably going to be an Aretha Franklin tribute.My bet is Roxy will be the one who doesn't perform.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:07am


Possible inductors/speakers for the inductees...

The Cure: Trent Reznor
Def Leppard: Brian May and Roger Taylor
Janet Jackson: Beyonce and/or Missy Elliott
Radiohead: Chris Martin
Roxy Music: Bono and the Edge
Stevie Nicks: Sheryl Crow
The Zombies: Win Butler

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:11am


There's also a chance Radiohead won't show up. I think this is reason why seven acts are being inducted this year.

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:13am


Just wondering, who are the 4 dead guys being inducted?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:25am


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/inductees.php

Anyone with a star for their age is dead.

Posted by FRL on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:45am


That’s a solid class right there.

I’ve got my preferences, and they didn’t all come through, but still - solid class. It will be a great tv show.

I’ll put it out there that I think they reached down to 7 in order to avoid the bad optics of an all-white class. In other words, I think Janet came in #7 and they made sure to get her in. This likely also benefited Roxy Music or Radiohead

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:48am


Michael

Unlike others I am not a corporate scumbucket.

I do not aspire to be one of those kind of people.

I loathe people who think they can get away with anything,


What I want is integrity in the process and a 3rd party that validates that the process was not compromised as in the many times jw is reported to have.


Then there all these complex legal issues?

Melanie talked about the lawyers taking over in the early 70s. You would think lawyers - they know the law. I am banking on that they were more arrogant than smart.

Remember

Edward R Murrow and the fallout from Congressional investigation into the game show 21


Deep Throat's advice

Follow the money

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 09:59am


So, it looks like MC5 will have to settle for Early Influence.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:00am


About the 2019 Inductees, Follower wrote:
So, it looks like MC5 will have to settle for Early Influence.
Thursday, 12.13.18 @ 10:00am

That would be a joke! The Rock Hall will lose all credibility! They better not expand early influence to 60s-70s!!!! Unfckngbelieveable! Fckyou Joel Peresman!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:05am


Dead inductees:

John Gustafson and Graham Simpson of Roxy Music
Paul Atkinson of The Zombies
Steve Clark of Def Leppard

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:06am


MC5 will likely wind up settling for a singles entry for “Kick Out The Jams”. And it’s likely not this year in my opinion.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:09am


How about Depeche Mode being an inductor for The Cure?

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:10am


Tom Lane said that Fuhrer Perserman wants to expand the EI category so that MC5 can get in. The singles category is also coming back.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:13am


Here's an interesting idea: what if for the class of 2020, they have RATM/Depeche Mode/NIN on the same ballot?

Posted by Michael on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:16am


One of the best classes in a long time, much better than last years.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:20am


I have a feeling Rundgren and Kraftwerk will get in next year. Plus, I have a feeling Oasis will be nominated in their first year of eligibility.

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:22am


If they swapped out Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks and The Zombies with Kraftwerk, LL Cool J and Rage Against the Machine, this would’ve been an amazing class in my book.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:24am


Figured I'd update my Ledgends of Rock (Book) look:

Inducted before the book was published:

AC/DC
Aerosmith
The Allman Brothers Band
The Band
The Beach Boys
The Beatles
Chuck Berry
Black Sabbath
Blondie
David Bowie
James Brown
The Byrds
Eric Clapton
The Clash
Elvis Costello
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Crosby, Stills, and Nash
Bo Diddley
The Doors
Bob Dylan
Eagles
Aretha Franklin
Grateful Dead
Jimi Hendrix
Buddy Holly
Jefferson Airplane
Elton John
Janis Joplin
The Kinks
Led Zeppelin
Jerry Lee Lewis
Little Richard
The Mamas and The Papas
Bob Marley
Joni Mitchell
Van Morrison
Parliament-Funkadelic
Pearl Jam
Tom Petty
Pink Floyd
The Police
Elvis Presley
The Pretenders
Prince
Queen
Ramones
R.E.M.
The Rolling Stones
The Ronetts (Their induction is mentioned in the book)
Santana
Sex Pistols
Simon and Garfunkel
Sly and The Family Stone
Patti Smith
Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen
Talking Heads
Ike and Tina Turner
Van Halen
The Velvet Underground
The Who
Stevie Wonder
Neil Young
Frank Zappa
ZZTop

Inducted after the book was published:
Alice Cooper
The Cure
Donovan
Small Faces/The Faces
Guns N' Roses
KISS
John Mellencamp
Metallica
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Radiohead
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Roxy Music
Steve Miller Band (Sort of)
Tom Waits

Not Inducted:
Beck
Captain Beefhart
Jefferson Starship and Starship (The book grouped all three bands in one, the Hall did not)
Carole King (though she is in as a songwriter)
New York Dolls
Nine Inch Nails
Gram Parsons
Pixies
Iggy Pop (though his band The Stooges are in)
Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers
The Shangri-La's
The Smiths
T. Rex
Television
Weezer
(The White Stripes aren't old enough)
Wilco

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:29am


Figured I'd update my Ledgends of Rock (Book) look:

Inducted before the book was published:

AC/DC
Aerosmith
The Allman Brothers Band
The Band
The Beach Boys
The Beatles
Chuck Berry
Black Sabbath
Blondie
David Bowie
James Brown
The Byrds
Eric Clapton
The Clash
Elvis Costello
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Crosby, Stills, and Nash
Bo Diddley
The Doors
Bob Dylan
Eagles
Aretha Franklin
Grateful Dead
Jimi Hendrix
Buddy Holly
Jefferson Airplane
Elton John
Janis Joplin
The Kinks
Led Zeppelin
Jerry Lee Lewis
Little Richard
The Mamas and The Papas
Bob Marley
Joni Mitchell
Van Morrison
Parliament-Funkadelic
Pearl Jam
Tom Petty
Pink Floyd
The Police
Elvis Presley
The Pretenders
Prince
Queen
Ramones
R.E.M.
The Rolling Stones
The Ronetts (Their induction is mentioned in the book)
Santana
Sex Pistols
Simon and Garfunkel
Sly and The Family Stone
Patti Smith
Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen
Talking Heads
Ike and Tina Turner
Van Halen
The Velvet Underground
The Who
Stevie Wonder
Neil Young
Frank Zappa
ZZTop

Inducted after the book was published:
Alice Cooper
The Cure
Donovan
Small Faces/The Faces
Guns N' Roses
KISS
John Mellencamp
Metallica
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Radiohead
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Roxy Music
Steve Miller Band (Sort of)
Tom Waits

Not Inducted:
Beck
Captain Beefhart
Jefferson Starship and Starship (The book grouped all three bands in one, the Hall did not)
Carole King (though she is in as a songwriter)
New York Dolls
Nine Inch Nails
Gram Parsons
Pixies
Iggy Pop (though his band The Stooges are in)
Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers
The Shangri-La's
The Smiths
T. Rex
Television
Weezer
(The White Stripes aren't old enough)
Wilco

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:29am


I’m expecting the future classes to look like this in the next few years now.

2020: Motley Crue, Jethro Tull, Duran Duran, Rage Against The Machine, Cher, and Notorious BIG

2021: Foreignor, ELP, Depeche Mode, Foo Fighters, Tina Turner, and Jay-Z

2022: Boston, Procol Harum, INXS, Bad Company, Whitney Houston, and Eminem

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:31am


The Zombies getting in makes this class worthwhile.

Posted by dan on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:37am


You know what will be cool? If Beyoncé inducts Janet Jackson and performs with Stevie Nicks on Edge of Seventeen.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:48am


Only two I was really consistent about was Def Leppard and Janet! :) But this is a great list. Probably the best since 2004.

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 10:48am


2019 Inductees

Dead inductees:

John Gustafson and Graham Simpson of Roxy Music
Paul Atkinson of The Zombies
Steve Clark of Def Leppard

Two American women and five British bands this year.

36 total people inducted (32 still alive)
* 2 women inductees

1 Black Female
35 White Males

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 11:07am


2019 Inductees

Dead inductees:

John Gustafson and Graham Simpson of Roxy Music
Paul Atkinson of The Zombies
Steve Clark of Def Leppard

Two American women and five British bands this year.

36 total people inducted (32 still alive)
* 2 women inductees

1 Black Female
1 White Female
34 White Males

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 11:08am


So far nobody from The Cure has made a statement on being inducted. Everyone else has.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 11:09am


Great class. I would've loved to have seen Kraftwerk and LL Cool J get in, but I think they'll have another shot.

I had said last year that the Zombies' best shot would be if they didn't have anyone else of their "type" competing against them. I honestly think that now that the Zombies are in, the Monkees may be soon. They'd be easy fan vote winners and their commonly considered an egregious snub (whether we all agree or not).

I've frankly enjoyed all of the previous recent classes. They've been playing catch up with a lot of acts, which seemed to lean very "classic rock" heavy and anytime something leans a certain way, there'll always be pushback. They just need to continue to diversify the nominees (and classes) each year. Inducting more than 5 acts a year is also a big step, and I hope they continue it from now on (although my hopes aren't too high).

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 11:19am


What a great class! And hopefully they will stick with seven inductees (at least) for awhile. They need to catch up. I agree with whoever already speculated that they probably saw some acts like Janet or Roxy Music that they wanted in coming in at 6 and 7 in the voting. Anyway, whatever reason, great.

So, two of my longtime snubs can be scratched off my list: The Cure and Roxy Music. Does this finally mean the 80's will open up some more...Depeche Mode, New Order/Joy Division, The Smiths, etc.? Man, I hope so. And finally Brian Eno gets in some way (even though he was only on the first two Roxy albums). He needs another induction down the line for his solo work and production. But I'll take this for now.

I'm cool with Def Leppard being the populist choice this year. Some great pop metal. I like them a lot more than Bon Jovi.

Glad the embarrassing omission of Radiohead was quickly rectified. Probably won't show for the ceremony, but perhaps the most important rock band of the last 25 years?

Not a huge fan, but Janet deserves it.

I won't complain about Stevie Nicks. It's cool we finally got a woman with two inductions. While technically her solo work doesn't really meet the standards, she is so cool that I can't be too mad. Love her. And I guess she's inspired a lot of young girls to go into rock and roll. But Fleetwood Mac's induction technically should have covered her.

The Zombies, fine.

Now, can we just backdoor induct Kraftwerk already!? This is embarrassing that they are still on the outside.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 12:09pm


I wish they told us who 5, 6, and 7 were since the votes between them were so close.

Also, a part of me thinks they only inducted DL because of backlash they would get if they weren't inducted. Maybe they were #7.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 12:19pm


The Cure going in is great. Depeche Mode should have gone in first, and hopefully, this will get rectified next year.

There were definitely some moves by this class to please some token areas (Zombies is the most glaring), but it's a fine class. The amount of genres represented is the widest it might ever be.

Now that it's over, I can go back to hoping Jethro Tull, Bad Company, the Monkees, and some other of the few remaining deserving acts from the 60s and 70s will get in.

Further, the women need much more representation. With Janet now there, Whitney is a cruel joke of an omission, Mariah Carey, et al.

A lot to process, and I'm sure we will address a lot in the coming days.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 12:19pm


Whoa! Holy cow. First of all it is 7 inductees for 2019. I did predict Def Leppard,Janet Jackson Jackson and the Zombies. I did say the Cure had a pretty good chance even though they were outside my prediction list. I did officially get that one wrong. I did NOT think Radiohead were getting inducted. I think it's a solid class. I was figuring on Janet Jackson having a really good chance. So there it is. Janet Jackson and Roxy Music probably came in at 6 and 7. Anyway Cool. That's great. So there it is. The 2019 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 12:57pm


Roxy Music was a total surprise. Didn't think they had a chance, but I'll take them. Most of the artists I was rooting for except Devo got in. The Zombies finally complete the British Invasion. I disagree with Janet because she is pop, not rock.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 13:25pm


Also glad that LL Cool J didn't get in because rap is not a form of rock and they have enough rappers as it is.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 13:26pm


Rock Hall was certainly generous with the band members. Vivian Campbell of Def Leppard (Guitar, 1992-Present) and Jason Cooper of The Cure (Drums, 1995-Present) arguably did NOT have to be inducted.

Roxy Music is the band that potentially got shafted.

Paul Carrack (keyboards, 1979-1982)
Dave Skinner (keyboards, 1979-1983)
Alan Spanner (bass, 1980-1983)
Neil Hubbard (guitar, 1980-1983)
Andy Newmark (drums, 1980-1983)


The first two played on THREE studio albums. The nex three on the last two which obviously includes Roxy Music's eighth and final album, Avalon. I get that the band's peak is regarded as either the first two records or Country Life/Siren, but those final albums were very important.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 14:13pm


Also kind of odd that ignored a free chance to make Paul Carrack an inductee.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 14:13pm


Please don't get excited by this inductee class.

We all know the next ballot will have names like Bad Company, Doobie Brothers, Foreigner...


Bands with, at most, six songs that mean anything to most people and essentially making the actual induction process and ceremony a complete bore.

God, this is such a great class. When your worst inductee is Def Leppard performing "Photograph", how can you go wrong?

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 14:17pm


You Know, I love the jam sessions and was upset by the lack of one last year.

That said, this grouping of inductees would be hard to put together any conceivable jams. Who would host as the House band, and what would you do that everybody could contribute to? It would be damned tough!

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 14:47pm


Congrats to the 2019 Inductees. It's a whale of a class! Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks I predicted nomination and induction since early Nominations. Great to see them earn induction. The Cure and Roxy Music are pleasant surprises and this is the best Induction class I can remember. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 17:15pm


Everybody had two or three of Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks and The Zombies in their predictions...adding The Cure and Roxy Music basically made this the most classic rock class imaginable (and I personally saw the last two as givens, yet was too optimistic the voters would pass on Nicks).

Yes, Rundgren didn't get in, but it's not like he's as well known a name as the five I listed above.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 17:17pm


This still fits with the "three types of inductees lately" theory.

- The inductee class will be MOSTLY made up of the most Classic Rock favoring names on the ballot.

- A black artist gets in when there is a coordinated effort behind them (and immediately if nobody can really make a case against their credentials)

- A modern artists gets in when they are a no-brainer.


The only wrench here was that Janet Jackson and Radiohead were just a little below A-level (according to the voting body) when it came to black artists/modern inductees. At least it shows there is hope for the future as these artists clearly CAN get in if they aren't enshrined right away.

I'm less convinced that The Cure and Roxy Music being inducted represents a real sea change, especially because this ballot was very anti-Classic Rock in its selections. Like, am I supposed to expect The Smiths or Joy Division to get in next year if the ballot features Pat Benatar, Foreigner, Bad Company, Doobie Brothers, etc.? Hence my skepticism.

The Cure and Roxy Music may have got in thanks to being more palatable than the idiosyncratic choices (Devo, Kraftwerk, MC5, Prine, Rundgren) and being white (Rufus featuring Chaka Khan, LL Cool J).

Rage, once again, is just in their own ballpark of being a modern artist without true bonafides. Small discography, did the same thing over and over, hardly were as innovative and popular as a lot of their big label contemporaries.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 17:24pm


Top Remaining Snubs (That Are RHP Inductees):


Induct These Via The Singles Category:

Dick Dale
The Guess Who
Jan & Dean
Johnny Burnette and the Rock N Roll Trio
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
Silver Apples
The Sonics
The Spinners
Television
Tommy James & The Shondells
Toots & The Maytals
War

Induct These As Performers That Started Their Recording Career As Late As 1979:

The B-52s
Bad Company (yeah, I know)
Big Star
Bjork
Brian Eno
The Buzzcocks
Can
Captain Beefheart
Dead Kennedys
Devo
The Doobie Brothers (again, bleh)
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Gram Parsons
Harry Nilsson
Iron Maiden
The Jam
Jethro Tull
Jim Croce
Judas Priest
King Crimson
Kraftwerk
Love
MC5
The Monkees
Motorhead
Neu!
New York Dolls
Nick Drake
Scott Walker
Sparks
The Specials
Suicide
T. Rex
Thin Lizzy
Warren Zevon
X
XTC


Still quite the massive backlog and that's before we even get to the 1980s/1990s snubs.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 17:47pm


Just for the pre-1980s snubs, it would take a decade of 7 member classes to get most of them in, assuming that you induct 6-at-a-time plus 1 relatively new artist.

Of course, that doesn't figure in the many 80s snubs that are also looming. The Hall has essentially dug itself into a deep hole they can never climb out.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 17:50pm


(At least) Half the performers you listed AREN'T WORTHY!!!
#movetheeffonalready

Posted by KXB on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 17:53pm


Since Radiohead has finally joined the ranks, here are my biggest 90’s snubs so far:

AFI (They’re much more influential than ya think)
Alice In Chains
Faith No More
Helmet
Jane’s Addiction
Kyuss
The Melvins
Ministry
Nine Inch Nails
The Offspring
Pantera
Primus
Rage Against The Machine (They’ll get in next year)
Soundgarden
Stone Temple Pilots

What’s yours?

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 18:06pm


And Tool. Can’t believe I forgot those guys.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 18:11pm


Korn is getting close too...Nu Metal dominated the early 2000s, but started with them

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 18:39pm


@ K-Dawg

Korn is one of those "nu-metal" bands I could easily see them intucted into the HOF years/a few decades from now along with Deftones, Linkin Park, System of the Down, and Slipknot.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 18:45pm


I wonder why nobody from Radiohead has commented yet. Every other act has had at least one member comment on their induction.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 19:09pm


The Dude,

Also

Smashing Pumpkins
White Zombie

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 19:12pm


Major 90s snub: Phish

Leaders of the major jamband subculture that kept the concert industry going during an overall lag period, and their self promoted festivals were major influences on the modern festival culture that has swept across the USA (the Bonnaroo founders were directly inspired by the Phish festival events).

Similarly, Dave Matthews band now can be marked as a snub, as they are the commercial friendly face of the jamband scene (much as Madonna was the commercial friendly face of the underground club dance music scene in the 80s).

Beck is a major snub, he's won an Album Of The Year Grammy. Bjork remains a major snub, who now has passed the 25 year mark of her 90s solo album named Debut, so that has cancelled out any thought that the HOF was simply ignoring her earlier Icelandic solo album as too obscure to count as her commercial debut.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 19:13pm


Zuzu's head is going to explode when she reads these last 20 or so posts...lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 19:13pm


Ceremony Predictions:
Roxy Music - Inducted By David Byrne
"Do the Strand" (Not televised)
"Love Is The Drug"
"Avalon"
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The Cure - Inducted by Billy Corgan
"Plainsong" (not televised)
"Lovesong"
"Friday I'm In Love"
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The Zombies - Inducted by Paul Weller
"Tell Her No"
"She's Not There"
"Time Of The Season"
----
Radiohead - Inducted by Chris Martin
No performance
----
Stevie Nicks - Inducted by Chrissie Hynde
"Stop Dragging My Heart Around"
"Wild Heart"
"Edge Of Seventeen"
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Beyonce, Chrissie Hynde, Janet Jackson, and Stevie Nicks - "Natural Woman"
----
In Memorium segment
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Janet Jackson - Inducted by Beyonce
"Control" > "What Have U You Done For Me Lately" > "Nasty"
"Rhythm Nation"
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Def Leppard - Inducted by Brian May
"Rock Of Ages"
"Poor Some Sugar On Me"
"Photograph" (not televised)

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 19:20pm


I interject only 2 things. While Stevie should count her lucky stars to be there, Stand Back needs to be performed. And I think Janet would do Escapade instead of Rhythm Nation. It is arguably her signature song.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 19:31pm


The last 3 classes have all had a band where one member is well respected in the industry: Jeff Lynn, Mark Knopfner, and now Brian Eno.

Of course, Eno isn't as important to Roxy as Jeff and Mark were to ELO and Dire Straits.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 19:43pm


Definitely a larger inductee class than in recent years, especially considering the fact that there were less nominees (15) this year, just under half were inducted this year.

Besides Stevies solo induction every other inductee is very deserving.

Disappointed to see Kraftwerk snubbed again, arguably the most influential artist not in the hall.

Hoping the Cure’s induction will open the door for Alternative artists like Joy Division or The Smiths.

Posted by Evan on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 19:59pm


"I disagree with Janet because she is pop, not rock."

1. They've been inducting R&B for decades, although not enough lately.

2. "Black Cat", like Donna Summer's "Hot Stuff" probably rocks harder even in the rockist sense than some rock inductees' entire discographies.

"I'm less convinced that The Cure and Roxy Music being inducted represents a real sea change, especially because this ballot was very anti-Classic Rock in its selections. Like, am I supposed to expect The Smiths or Joy Division to get in next year if the ballot features Pat Benatar, Foreigner, Bad Company, Doobie Brothers, etc.? Hence my skepticism."

I just don't think the NomCom is going to allow that sort of ballot again. That seems to be what the museum fan vote is for - throwing a couple bones to the fans while the critics get to decide all the other nominees, so at least SOME critically favored acts get in. I kind of expect that trend to continue. I just hope #3 and #4 Styx and Blink-182 don't become #1 and #2 next year, and I don't think they will (guessing Pat Benatar and Iron Maiden.)

If the NomCom selects any of those acts (that did not win the fan vote), it probably will be only one, because it feels like they want to ensure 2017 doesn't happen again. Since Doobie Brothers didn't make it last time when everyone was expecting it, I suspect that to continue until/unless they win the fan vote, and if they don't and make the ballot, it would only be them. No Jethro Tull or Foreigner or whatever would be my guess in that scenario.

My hope is that glam rock finally gets some respect here, because it's seeming really weird to me that glam metal is doing better at getting inductions and faster than the original glam rock did (I suppose the same could be said for metal too, but if you count the '70s hard rock bands as metal which they were regarded at the time, metal is doing better than glam is I think.) Def Leppard has real glam influences while Bon Jovi doesn't, so you'd think the contingent of Def Leppard + Roxy Music + maybe The Cure should be able to get T. Rex and the New York Dolls nominated? Then again, hair metal bands tended to be a lot more consistent in getting US hits than UK glam other than Bowie/Queen and "pure" metal I suppose so maybe that's it.

Posted by Sean on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 20:38pm


"to ensure 2017 doesn't happen again"

I guess I meant 2018. I was referring to the Bon Jovi/Dire Straits/Moody Blues class there.

Posted by Sean on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 20:40pm


'Pyromania' will be one of Def Leppard's songs.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 20:40pm


I find it interesting commenting on how the selection of various acts onto the short list will affect the chances of other acts who are not in the Hall of Fame.

Def Leppard:

The selection of Def Leppard will make it easier for other acts who are populists in Classic Rock to be inducted. Motley Crue is mentioned, but I think it more likely would help artists who have had a lot of hits and more impressive singles chart success such as Bad Company, the Doobie Brothers, Styx, Foreigner, the Guess Who and Boston. Might even help other 80's artists such as Eurythmics and Duran Duran. I could see groups with a harder sound but long careers, such as Iron Maiden and Judas Priest.

The Cure:

Their admission would certainly pave the way for other 80's acts with a quirkier edge such as New Order, the Smiths, Depeche Mode, the B-52's and Kate Bush.

Stevie Nicks:

Her admission would free votes that might otherwise gone to her for Pat Benatar (with respect to being a populist choice like Nicks)
or to female artists who are performer songwriters such as Suzanne Vega, Carly Simon or again, Kate Bush. I could see solo male singer-songwriters such as Todd Rundgren and Warren Zevon benefiting as well.

The Zombies:

Almost all of the deserving artists from the 60's have been inducted, but old people (like me) who are looking for someone to induct might consider the Monkees, the Turtles or the Crystals.

Radiohead:

A critics darling with a long respected career and few hit singles. I think I see a Beck nomination next year. Also would benefit Soundgarden and Kate Bush.


Roxy Music:

I could see Roxy Music's inclusion as benefiting other art-rock bands with Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, King Crimson, Mott the Hoople and Jethro Tull coming to mind.

Janet Jackson:

I could see Janet's inclusion as giving hope to other artists who can't write a song without the help of others and who lip synch frequently during performances but whose fans love them anyway. Britney Spears and Mariah Carey come to mind.

Keeping it real, Jackson's induction frees up a slate of artists in the soul/R & B vein who are much better singers, such as the Spinners, Tina Turner, OutKast, Seal and Sade.


Posted by Eric Tompkins on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 20:56pm


There is no song called "Pyromania" The word "pyromania" is mentioned in the song "Rock of Ages"

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 22:10pm


Right, “Rock Of Ages” is the source for the Pyromania title

Personally, I’d start off the entire ceremony with it. Great opening tune for the show:
“Gunter glieben glauchen globen
All right,
I got something to say
Yeah, it's better to burn out
Yeah, than fade away
Alll right!”

But with DL bring the fan’s choice, I expect them to headline.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 12/13/2018 @ 22:31pm


Problem is Neil Young said it already.

And didn't somebody named Ringo already sing about a photograph?

Posted by Arrow Man on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 00:33am


So did Nickelback. They won't be old enough in a long time, and I doubt the Hall will consider them.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 00:41am


Def Leppard also borrowed two titles from the Band. Rock of Ages and Stagefright. Def Leppeard had "Billy's Got A Gun" in 1983. Six years later Aerosmith had "janie's Got A Gun" Steve Clark's girlfriend at the time of his death was named Janie.
Foreigner had a song called "Women" eight years before DL did and both bands had members with the surname Elliott. DL has lead singer Joe Elliott while Foreigner had drummer Dennis Elliott played drums on Foreigner's song. (I don't think Dennis and Joe are related) Also, Tesla was the opening act on DL's Hysteria tour. On Tesla's debut album, "Mechanical Resonance" there was a song called "2 Late 4 Love" (i guess Tesla decided to use Princespeak) Also, in 1984 The Human League had an album called "Hysteria" and Judas Priest had a song called "Love Bites" on their "Defenders of the Faith" album. Also on DL's Hysteria album there is a song called "The GODS of War" Five Weeks after DL's Hysteria album was released Pink Floyd released "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" which contained "The DOGS of War"

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 02:06am


Ben, Timothy, Philip and The Dude,

Not quite two weeks ago, I had written this:

It is now December and in slightly less than 2 weeks, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five, (Roxy Music, Radiohead, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk and The Zombies) Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.


Actually, I had thought that my list was a relatively good list. Now, you may look at the idea that I had also mentioned the induction of Radiohead as a possibility.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 02:07am


Casper,

By the way, you had done a fantastic job of confirming the list of inductees. Now how did Kraftwerk get replaced with “you know who?”

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 02:10am


Eric Thompson,

Although I will disagree with you, about Roxy Music’s Induction leading to an induction for Duran Duran, I will admit that your remarks about Janet Jackson were extremely astute. Therefore, I think that Ru Paul would definitely be the best inductor for Janet Jackson.


Def Leppard’s induction could also open the door for Twisted Sister to receive a nomination from the Nominating Committee.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 02:20am


Eric Thompson,

Although I will disagree with you, about Roxy Music’s Induction leading to an induction for Duran Duran, I will admit that your remarks about Janet Jackson were extremely astute. Therefore, I think that Ru Paul would definitely be the best inductor for Janet Jackson.


Def Leppard’s induction could also open the door for Twisted Sister to receive a nomination from the Nominating Committee.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 02:21am


Ben,

This Class of inductees is a rather cool one. It shows diversity. I think the Cure and Roxy Music were inducted due to a mostly critics Choice list. Its like someone said those 2 are more palatable than Than Devo and Kraft were I would certainly say. I said there are a lot of old Rock veteran voters. But there is voters like Bono,Michael Stipe and the Red Hot Chili Pepper guys a long with all those modern Rock critics. This explains the Cure. I said I am not A Cure fan and all but I am a fan of B52s,the Replacements and other more modern Rock artists of the 80s. The Cure paves the way for 80s acts like those as well as Kate Bush. I like Kate Bush too as far as what I like. So I am cool with the Cure induction.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 05:12am


Thanks, Aaron. Must be 'Rock of Ages'!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 07:01am


ENIG
My guess Iron Maiden would receive a Nomination before Twisted Sister. They are a big omission and have a strong following. I would guess Motorhead and Motley Crue as well. Duran Duran benefits from the Roxy Music induction. Most of the influential and 80's chart topping artists have been inducted. Bruce, Def Leppard, Janet, Madonna, MJ, U2, Van Halen, etc. Duran Duran definitely sticks out as a band that deserves a Nomination. My guess Depeche Mode and Duran Duran will be on the ballot next year. Congrats to The Cure. Good to see them inducted. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 08:45am


Regardless of what the nominating committee does from this point forward, the results of this induction class are huge. Even if the nomcom decides to not only go in the classic rock direction, but the WRONG classic rock direction (Blue Oyster Cult and Thin Lizzy, for instance, would be far better picks than Bad Company, the Doobie Brothers, and Foreigner), the joint inductions of The Cure, Radiohead, and Roxy Music have already permanently altered the voting body in a big way. All three are probably guaranteed votes for Kraftwerk, joining the recent induction of The Cars (and Janet might join them), who now might actually get in on the next nomination. The Smiths and the Pixies suddenly become viable. Between the influences of The Cure and Radiohead alone are a whole lot of outstanding snubs. Def Leppard is a guaranteed vote for Judas Priest—an early photo of the band has at least one member of the band sporting a Judas Priest tee (https://e.snmc.io/i/fullres/s/8562e56cb1a9e4e37296b16f6bdc0a44/2914007)—as well as probably a number of other ‘80s metal groups, though that appears to be more of an uphill climb.

And remember, Joel Peresman has said that they might redefine the Early Influence category to include more ‘60s and ‘70s artists. That means that the Rock Hall is trying to shift focus to the ‘80s and ‘90s.

This has been an incredible class, considering the circumstances.

Posted by Ray on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 08:54am


And btw, Casper: hat tip, man.

Posted by Ray on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 09:01am


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Most worthy of new rock and roll hall of fame inductees: Radiohead and Roxy Music... Most disappointing of the non-inductees: Kraftwerk, Rage Against the Machine and JOHN PRINE. #radiohead #roxymusic #johnprine #kraftwerk #rageagainstthemachine

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 13:14pm


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Most worthy of new rock and roll hall of fame inductees: Radiohead and Roxy Music... Most disappointing of the non-inductees: Kraftwerk, Rage Against the Machine and JOHN PRINE. #radiohead #roxymusic #johnprine #kraftwerk #rageagainstthemachine

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 13:18pm


"This Class of inductees is a rather cool one. It shows diversity."

What about talent and fan devotion? Doesn't that count more than the sex or the race of a performer? Janet Jackson is not any more rock than Madonna, but I suppose that they had to fulfill the black and female quotas for her to get in.

Posted by dan on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 13:20pm


Eric Thompson,
Regarding your thoughts on Janet - if writing a song with the help of others is disqualifying in some way then the vast majority of the acts currently in the Hall wouldn't make the cut. What a ridiculous comment.

Posted by Brett on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 15:25pm


Engimaticus, all I know is that the URL for Kraftwerk showed them as a 2019 Inductee and for Janet Jackson it did not. I checked it like twenty minutes later and it no longer worked. Not long after that, it was pointed out that the Janet Jackson link now DID work.

My browser history even includes the re-direct when that's where it led...so I still have proof of sorts that there was indeed an inductee re-direct for Kraftwerk.

Was it just an error? I really don't know. It's hard not to be suspicious...had this been a case of there being like 8 links and then the Kraftwerk one disappearing, well, fine. But instead the Kraftwerk one is removed and then Janet Jackson - a big time arena act that would fit in nicely for the induction ceremony at Barclays? I can certainly hold on to my doubts.


Granted, if they pulled this stunt, perhaps they would just auto-induct Kraftwerk next year (remember the Grandmaster Flash vs Dave Clark Five controversy?) or just toss Kraftwerk on the ballot and they'd probably have the votes if they were 7th this time.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 16:10pm


I'm nearly 100% certain you can expect Kraftwerk back, and not just because of this potential "controversy" (that really only exists among a few of us here and might have just been a website error).

The Cure and Roxy Music were just inducted. The doors really have to be opened for Kraftwerk and I'd expect them to have earned a healthy vote total that will easily lead to them being on the ballot once again.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 16:15pm


"Problem is Neil Young said it already.

And didn't somebody named Ringo already sing about a photograph?"

I'd call that an homage to Young, not a ripoff. I don't think they were ever claiming it was original to them and I'm sure they knew the vast majority of their audience would know the original song. I find something like Tom Petty taking Paul Westerberg's "rebel without a clue" line for "Into the Great Wide Open" to be worse since I think there are probably a lot of Petty fans who don't know who the Replacements are (like classic rock radio addicts, where the Replacements generally don't get played even though they'd fit the format except for their lack of commercial success.)

I don't really see the point of criticizing someone for a non-unique song title either. There are lots of artists much more acclaimed than Def Leppard who repeated others' song titles (the two "Somebody to Love"s, the two "Learning to Fly"s - huh, Petty again, etc...)

"Def Leppard also borrowed two titles from the Band. Rock of Ages"

More like Def Leppard and The Band were both making a pun on the old Christian hymn. Leppard admitted they got the title from the hymn and I'd assume the Band did too.

"Def Leppard’s induction could also open the door for Twisted Sister to receive a nomination from the Nominating Committee."

Not likely. Van Halen, GNR, Def Leppard, and Bon Jovi were the only hair metal bands that had enough longevity, commercial success, and/or critical acclaim to be inducted. I don't see them going for Motley Crue ever. That genre is done. Time to get some of the long snubbed glam bands that influenced the genre. I still find it hard to fathom all the hair metal bands got in their first or second time on the ballot and the original glam rock acts for the most part weren't even making the ballot. Glam influence seems to be the one thing that UNITES a lot of this inductee list, particularly Def Leppard and Roxy Music. You can bet they'll both be campaigning for T. Rex (who probably should have been in before either of them.)

"My guess Depeche Mode and Duran Duran will be on the ballot next year."

Nope. Putting them both on likely means neither will be inducted, I suspect, as it is when Depeche Mode and Eurythmics were nominated together. Although they could randomly jump to Duran Duran after The Smiths and Depeche Mode failed. They might want to put Kraftwerk on by themselves to avoid splitting the vote with any other synth-pop too.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 17:55pm


Having Cure and Radiohead in was a great move. For 2020, we need these guys in:
Alice In Chains
Beck
Björk
Cypress Hill
Dead Kennedys
Depeche Mode
Devo
Eurythmics
Joy Division
Kraftwerk
Link Wray
Madness
Misfits
Motörhead
New Order
Nine Inch Nails
No Doubt
Oingo Boingo
Pixies
Primus
Rage Against The Machine
Social Distortion
Soundgarden
The B-52's
The Cramps
The Go-Go's
The Monkees
The Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
The Specials
Tool

Posted by Michael on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 18:21pm


Michael - I gotta reject the notion of Madness or The Specials until the hall inducts some of the first generation pioneers of ska music, and goes deeper on Reggae than Bob Marley and Jimmy Cliff.

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 18:45pm


“I don't see them going for Motley Crue ever. That genre is done. Time to get some of the long snubbed glam bands that influenced the genre. I still find it hard to fathom all the hair metal bands got in their first or second time on the ballot and the original glam rock acts for the most part weren't even making the ballot.”

Leaving out Motley Crue sounds like a bad idea to me. That would decrease possibilities for bands like T.Rex, New York Dolls, Iron Maiden, Motörhead, and Judas Priest to get in. I still feel the Hall is almost done with “hair metal” and the Crue isn’t the only one. Look at Pantera. They originally started off as a “hair” band before they converted to groove metal after the 80’s.

There’s also a movie about Motley coming next year. I still think they have a really good chance of getting inducted in a couple of years from now cause of that like how it similarly happened to NWA.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 19:39pm


Looking it over, lots of potential for your typical HOF drama this year:

The Cure - four of the five current members of the band are all inducted. Current guitar player Reeves Gabrels has only been with the band since 2012 and is not inducted. There are five former members of the band who are being inducted, and in just a couple days of news there has already been conflicting comments made by current and former members about the likelihood of past members getting to play with the current band.

Def Leppard - has one living ex-member being inducted, who was fired in 1982. He left the music business 15 years ago. Not sure what the current relationship is like between he and his ex-bandmates; if he is likely to show and if there would be drama if he wanted to play.

Roxy Music hasn't had any lineup play together under the band name since 2011. Four of the members being inducted were playing together in 2011. Two living past member are also being inducted. Brian Eno left the group in around 1973, but he seems to have a cordial relationship with Brian Ferry (Ferry was quoted as wanting to work with him on new music earlier this year). Eddie Jobson left the group in 1977, not sure of his relationship with Ferry. Also unsure what the relationship is like between Ferry and the three members he hasn;t played with since 2011.

Radiohead of course has drama over whether they will show up at all.

There seems little drama in The Zombies. Their two living former members being inducted have both played with the current lineup as recently as last year.

Stevie Nicks as a solo artist who is happy to be inducted seems like little chance of drama, unless she winds up pissed off like Steve Miller was - she's not the type that is shy to speak out.

Janet Jackson I can see potential drama over how to accommodate her performance. She usually performs with a big ensemble; and I'm not sure many HOF inductees tend to have sung supported by prerecorded tracks (the nicer version of saying "lipsyncing"). I'm curious if she may find herself where NWA was, not felling like she can put on the show she would want to put on with the Ceremony production approach.

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 19:48pm


I think the Hall actually expects Radiohead not to show up. That's the real reason they inducted 7.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 23:30pm


I think the Hall actually expects Radiohead not to show up. That's the real reason they inducted 7.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 23:35pm


On the subject of hair bands going in, Motley Crue seems a foregone conclusion to be next. I wouldn't completely rule out Poison, but they are definitely a fringe. My question is, is there a consensus that maybe INXS is a possibility near or far? They really bounce between both new wave and alternative, but would seem to have a following.

Def Leppard may be not everyone's cup of tea, but they are both popular and innovative enough to deserve their induction.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 02:58am


Brett,

My point was not that Janet Jackson not writing her own material was something that would disqualify her. What I would propose is that there is little to QUALIFY her.

She doesn't have the singular vision of a songwriter and had most of her songs largely written by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, who are very good producers/songwriters (some of the best that money can buy). Perhaps they should be in the Rock Hall. I always found it funny that Jackson's song "Control" purportedly about controlling her own destiny was not written entirely by herself. She lip synchs during concerts and she has a weak voice, in my opinion. All of this, a bought success for what I think is a mediocre talent is the antithesis of rock and roll to me.

As an aside, so is Britney Spears, who has much in common with Janet Jackson. Hope to never see Britney in the Rock Hall, but you never know. Most people think whatever was popular when they were 13 is good, and eventually those who were 13 when Britney was popular will wax nostalgic about her as well.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 03:51am


Eric Tompkins,

My last post was meant for you. I made a mistake I have done several times. I was addressing myself. Let's try that again. This class of Inductees shows diversity shows diversity. I think the Cure and Roxy Music were inducted to to a mostly critics choice list. Its like someone said those 2 are more palatable than Devo and Kraftwerk. I said there are a lot of Old Rock veteran Voters. But there is voters like Bono,Michael Stipe and the Red Hot Chili Peppers guys along with all those modern rock critics.

The Cure paves the way for 80s acts likethe B52s,the Replacements and Kate Bush.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 05:55am


Poison has NO CHANCE, EVER!, Kdogg...

Posted by KXB on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 08:33am


“My question is, is there a consensus that maybe INXS is a possibility near or far? They really bounce between both new wave and alternative, but would seem to have a following.”

K-Dawg

That’s gonna happen. INXS will get in after Duran Duran and Depeche Mode.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 08:45am


Okay, where do we go from here? From my particular perspective 5 out of 7- 2019 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees had definitely deserved this honor. Overall, I can appreciate the fact that Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music and The Zombies had made the list. I had also voted for The Cure and Radiohead multiple times. Unfortunately, Kraftwerk has not yet been inducted and I still believe that Todd Rundgren should have been given the Award for Musical Excellence.

Stevie Nicks solo induction should lead to a Cheryl Crow nomination and I believe that Cheryl Crow should ultimately be the inductor for Stevie Nicks.

Roxy Music’s long overdue Induction should lead to the nomination and induction of Duran Duran. I also think that Duran Duran should induct Roxy Music and join them on stage during their performance.

The Zombies’ long overdue induction should lead to a re-nomination of Procol Harum. Should Gary Brooker induct The Zombies, or should Paul Shaffer?

Unfortunately, I am not quite sure where you go with either Radiohead, or The Cure. Will Muse be nominated in 2024, or Coldplay in 2023, as a result?

I cannot be even the slightest bit upset about the induction of Def Leppard; I just simply did not vote for them. I had been hoping that Iron Maiden, or Judas Priest would have been nominated instead. I am not entirely sure where you go from here. Will we see a nomination for Twisted Sister in the not too distant future, as a result?

On the other hand, I have never appreciated anything that Janet Jackson has ever done musically, although I think that her forte is acting instead. In my honest opinion, RuPaul Andre Charles, aka RuPaul, should induct her, since his show, “RuPaul’s Drag Race” is all about lip-synching and dancing- Janet’s forte. More specifically, “lip-syncing for your life.”

By the way, I had voted several times for Rufus with Chaka Khan, instead.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 12:40pm


I am terribly sorry, I had created a major faux pas. I had meant to say that Stevie Nicks solo induction should lead to a Sheryl Crow nomination and that I believe that Sheryl Crow should ultimately be the inductor of Stevie Nicks.

Thank you.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 13:19pm


OK, where do we go from here? From my particular perspective five out of the seven 2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees had definitely deserve this honor. Overall, I can appreciate the fact that Stevie Nicks, Roxy music and The Zombies had made the list. I had also voted for The Cure and Radiohead multiple times. Unfortunately, Kraftwerk has not been inducted and I still believe that Todd Rundgren should’ve been given the award for musical excellence.

Stevie Nicks’ solo induction should lead to a Sheryl Crow nomination and I believe that Sheryl Crow should ultimately be the inductor for Stevie Nicks.

Roxy Music’s long overdue induction should lead to a nomination and an induction for Duran Duran. I also think that Duran Duran should have the honor of inducting Roxy Music and joining them onstage during their performances.

The Zombies’ long-overdue induction should lead to a re-nomination of Procol Harum. Should Gary Brooker induct The Zombies, or should Paul Schaffer?

Unfortunately, I am not quite sure where are you go with either Radiohead, or The Cure. Will Muse be nominated in 2024, or Coldplay in 2023, as a result of Radiohead’s induction? What about The Smiths, New Order and even The Replacements? Will The Cure’s Induction rekindle a greater appreciation for alternative rock?

I cannot be even the slightest bit upset about the induction of Def Leppard; I just simply do not simply did not vote for them. I had been hoping that either Iron Maiden, or Judas Priest would have been nominated instead. I am not entirely sure where you go from here. Will we see a nomination for Twisted Sister in the not too distant future, as a result?

On the other hand, I have never really appreciated anything that Janet Jackson has supposedly ever done musically, although I think that her forte is acting instead. In my honest opinion, Rupaul Andre Charles, a.k.a. RuPaul, should induct her, since his show, “RuPaul‘s Drag Race” is all about lip-synching and dancing – Janet’s forte. More specifically, “lip-syncing for your life.”

By the way, I had voted for Rufus with Chaka Khan many times instead.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 14:03pm


I am sorry I had to amend that section also, sometimes dictation does not understand what you are saying. ;-(

Unfortunately, I am not quite sure where you go with Radiohead, or The Cure. Will Muse be nominated in 2024, or Coldplay in 2023, as a result of Radiohead’s induction? What about The Smiths, New Order, or The Replacements? Will The Cure’s Induction rekindle a greater appreciation for alternative rock?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 17:09pm


@ Enig

The Cure’s upcoming induction is proof the Cars are the catalyst of New Wave much like Rush is for Prog. The Hall is gonna start with three of the genre’s most universal snubs so far: Duran Duran for 2020 (which both of us agree), Depeche Mode for 2021, and INXS for 2022. After that, we’ll be seeing Devo, B-52’s, Tears For Fears, New Order, and Eurythmics.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 17:45pm


Okay, where do we go from here? From my particular perspective five out of the seven 2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees had definitely deserved this honor. Overall, I have been able to appreciate the fact that Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music and the Zombies have made the list. I had also voted for The Cure and Radiohead multiple times. Unfortunately, Kraftwerk has not yet been inducted and I still believe that Todd Rundgren should have been given the award for Musical Excellence.

Stevie Nicks’ solo induction should lead to a Sheryl Crow nomination and I believe that Sheryl Crow should ultimately have the honor of inducting Stevie Nicks.

Roxy Music’s long overdue induction should lead to a nomination and in induction for Duran Duran. I also think the Duran Duran should have the honor of inducting Roxy Music into the Rock Hall and joining them onstage during their performances.

The Zombies’ long overdue induction should lead to a re-nomination of Procol Harum. Should Gary Brooker induct The Zombies, or should Paul Schaffer?

Unfortunately, I am not quite sure where you go with either Radiohead, or The Cure. Will Coldplay receive an induction in 2023, or will Muse be inducted in 2024, as a result of Radiohead’s induction? What about The Smiths, Joy Division/ New Order and The Replacements? Will The Cure’s upcoming induction rekindle a greater appreciation for alternative rock?

I cannot be even the slightest bit upset about the induction of Def Leppard; I just simply did not vote for them. I had been hoping that either Iron Maiden, or Judas Priest would have been nominated instead. I am not entirely sure where you go from here. Will we see a nomination for Twisted Sister in the not too distant future, as a result?

On the other hand, I have never really appreciated anything that Janet Jackson has supposedly ever done musically; although, I think that Janet’s forte is acting instead. In my honest opinion, RuPaul Andre Charles, a.k.a. RuPaul, should induct her, since his show, “RuPaul‘s Drag Race” is all about lip-synching and dancing – Janet’s forte.

I would personally like to see Sade inducted for many reasons, particularly because they write their songs, write their own lyrics, and perform those works onstage without requiring the accompaniment of numerous guest dancers and musicians. Also, Helen Folasade Adu still has an extraordinary voice that really fills the room and ultimately moves you physically and intellectually.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/15/2018 @ 18:09pm


Congratulations to all the new inductees. I was shocked that Roxy Music and The Cure made it in. When are Pat Benatar, the Spinners, Jethro Tull, and the Guess Who going to make it?

Posted by MarkTesla on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 01:43am


There are two American and five British artists on this list. I suppose that is a particularly noteworthy achievement for the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

My favorite artists from this list are: Roxy Music, The Zombies and Stevie Nicks.

So, rather than dwelling on the past, let’s move forward with 6 possible 2020 inductees.

Of course, since Roxy Music have now finally received an induction, I thoroughly expect Duran Duran to receive a nomination in October, 2019 and an induction in 2020. In my honest opinion, what also helps them out, are the recent inductions of the “holy trinity”of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), in addition to the upcoming induction of Roxy Music.

I also expect to see a re-nomination for Procol Harum as a result of The Zombies upcoming induction. I think that Steven Van Zandt will definitely be interested in supporting another Procol Harum nomination. Once again, they have the recent inductions of the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) to help them out.

Sheryl Crow would definitely make a fine addition to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame and I think that she would be a great presenter for discussing and acknowledging the merits of Stevie Nick’s solo career induction.

Also, Carly Simon has been long overdue for both a Rock Hall nomination and induction, perhaps the 2019 induction of Stevie Nicks as a solo artist will be a boon for this great singer/songwriter. In her own right, Carly Simon is a great songwriter and her inexcusable absence from the Rock Hall will hopefully be rectified soon.

Jethro Tull has been long overdue for an induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. What helps them out tremendously happens to be the recent inductions of the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

In my honest opinion, Sade should have been inducted several years ago, also. If nothing else, they should have received a nomination this year. This superlative smooth jazz combo has been fronted by the extremely talented lyricist, composer and vocalist Helen Folasade Adu, for well over 3 decades. During that time, they have managed to release 6 studio albums, of which at least 4 are superlative and have continued to record several noteworthy songs throughout their career. Sade tends to be a great crossover artist with both critics and the public appreciating their musical output.

So, here are six of my early picks for the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Class:

Duran Duran
Procol Harum
Sheryl Crow
Carly Simon
Jethro Tull
Sade

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 10:08am


That would actually make for a pretty solid group of inductees there Enig. I definitely do think a nomination for Duran Duran is seriously possible as Roxy Music was a heavy influence on them and their induction (as well as the Cure) opens up the floor for early 80's new wave/art rock groups. Depeche Mode and Eurythmics though could return, but the path for a Duran Duran nomination opens up big time with a Roxy Music and Cure induction.

Now that the Zombies are in, I could see the Nominating Committee either throwing the Monkees on there for the first time (long overdue), or could make a second attempt at Procol Harum. Procol Harum is from the same era as the Zombies and a pioneering band for prog, so very possible. I won't be surprised at all if they return to the ballot.

Sheryl Crow I actually is someone that many people are overlooking but seems very much like the prototypical female Rock Hall inductee. Her music style is safe and solid and she had a lot of hits in the 90's and early 00's, and has also enjoyed critical claim and praise from many HOFers, including Stevie Nicks of course.

Carly Simon is possible, but I don't think Stevie's induction makes a Carly Simon nomination more possible. I think Sheryl Crow would benefit more from Stevie Nicks' induction due to their long friendship and collaboration. Carly is a worthy candidate, but I think the Hall will target more female 80's acts which came up in the Nomination meeting this year, aka: The Go Go's, Cyndi Lauper, and Pat Benatar.

Jethro Tull I would love to see on the ballot, and I see them as being someone that would get in right away if they could just get on the ballot. Jethro Tull is the next classic prog band that needs to be inducted (or King Crimson), so I'd love to see them on the ballot and I think they would be a shoe-in not only because most HOFers would vote for them, but they might also win the Fan Vote too, depending on who's on there.

Sade is a name that falls under the radar but could make it as some point too. I know you hate Janet Jackson with a fiery passion, but her induction definitely clears the way for more female R&B acts. And even though Sade's style was much more jazz and easy listening-orientated, they're still an R&B group and many of the same modern artists that consider Janet to be a major influence feel the same about Sade. I think most of Rock Hall watchers are thinking that Janet's induction will lead to nominations to Whitney Houston and/or Mariah Carey, which I agree with, but Sade is someone we should all keep an eye on too.


I don't see Carly Simon making the ballot for nomination (though I agree she's deserving), but your other 5 inductees I definitely think are major possibilities to be on the ballot.

One thing you're not taking into account though is the newly eligible acts. I know you're not a fan of rap at all, but you've got the Notorious B.I.G. becoming eligible for the first time (as well as Nas), so there's no very little doubt he'll be on the ballot and probably go in right away. As far as rock groups go, you've got Weezer and Oasis becoming eligible for the first time and both are possibilities to get their first nomination. Weezer especially for their longevity and the fact that they're American, whereas Oasis didn't have the long term popularity or general longevity that Weezer has had. Beck, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, and Smashing Pumpkins have also yet to get nominations, so I think at least 1-2 of those acts will be on the ballot as well.


But anyways, I like your group of inductees, although none of those acts have the starpower to headline a ceremony like Janet Jackson, Radiohead, Def Leppard, or even Stevie Nicks. Of your group I'd probably say Duran Duran would be the headliners as they had the biggest amount of popularity at their peak compared to your other inductees.

But I like that group of inductees, though I don't think it'll turn out that way.

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 10:28am


The one thing that's been skipped so far in my observation is what to do with Todd Rundgren. He is going to get nominated again next year, I have no doubt. He was the one glaring omission from this class. They might squeeze him in under ME, but he definitely deserves a spot as one of the unheralded 70s acts who flew under the radar.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 11:57am


Enig

Of those you have picked I think Duran Duran and Jethro Tull stand the best chance. The nominating committee and voting panel have seemed to warm up to 80’s acts in recent years, and I believe the Cures induction will benefit Duran Duran. Jethro Tull is arguably the most overdue of the prog artists still not in.

I could definitely see the nominating committee revisit Procul Harum. At the same time I think the Zombies opens the door for other 60’s acts like Tommy James and the Shondells, or Love.

At this time I can’t see Sheryl Crow being inducted in the near future. The hall hasn’t fully warmed up to 90’s artists and I feel there are a lot of 90’s artists who stand a better chance then her.

Carly Simon and Sade seem to have an outside shot at getting nominated.

Posted by Evan on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 12:05pm


I am going to make an early prediction on next years nominees and Inductees:
The nominees:
Todd Rundgren
Kraftwerk
Rage Against The Machine
The Notorious B.I.G.
Beck
The Smiths
The Meters
Procul Harum
Kate Bush
Gram Parsons
Steppenwolf
Depeche Mode
Whitney Houston
Tommy James and the Shondells
Jethro Tull
Motley Crue
Duran Duran
The Doobie Brothers
Judas Priest
Phil Collins

From that potential group predict the following would be inducted:

The Notorious B.I.G.: One of the most influential rappers despite a very short career, I think he will be the next first ballot inductee.

Todd Rundgren: Was very suprised he didn’t get in this year, I believe this time he will be recognized for all his achievements as an muscian and producer.

Motley Crue: In recent years there has been a big push by the hall to induct glam rock/metal acts (Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Journey, Kiss). I predict this trend will continue.

Kraftwerk: Arguably the most Influential act not in the hall, had large impacts on Electronic, pop, hip hop, new wave, and industrial.

Jethro Tull: After mostly ignoring prog acts for a long time, the hall has been inducting many overdue prog acts, Jethro Tull is the most worthy prog act to go in next

If Six
Depeche Mode: After the Cures induction this year I am expecting an increase of new wave inductees in the next few years.

If Seven
Rage Against The Machine: A perfect inductee in the current political climate. As well Tom Morellos postion on the nominating committee should prove favourable for his band.

Thoughts?

Posted by Evan on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 13:25pm


My fifthteen

Cher
Motley Crue
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
Duran Duran
B-52’s
Jethro Tull
John Prine
New York Dolls
Notorious BIG
War
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
Todd Rundgren
Beck

Who would win the ballot?

Cher
Motley Crue
Rage Against The Machine
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Notorious BIG
Soundgarden (If room for seven)
Todd Rundgren (If room for eight)
Dionne Warrick (If room for nine)

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 13:47pm


2020 predictions

Nominees

1. Notorious BIG
2. Soundgarden
3. Beck
4. Whitney Houston
5. Tina Turner
6. Warren Zevon
7. Nine Inch Nails
8. Rage Against The Machine
9. Kraftwerk
10. Sting
11. Depeche Mode
12. Judas Priest
13. Kate Bush
14. J Geils Band
15. Chaka Khan

Inductees

1. Notorious BIG
2. Soundgarden
3. Whitney Houston
4. Tina Turner
5. Nine Inch Nails

If 6

6. Sting

If 7

7. Judas Priest

Posted by Kyle on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 15:04pm


I'll probably go with the trend from the past 3 years of how they nominated

80s Hair band - Motley Crue
post punk -The Smiths
60s - The Spinners
80s new wave - Duran Duran
diva - Whitney Houston
90s alt- Beck
90s alt - Oasis
rap - Notorious BIG
70s funk - Chic
70s overlooked rock - T-Rex
token woman slot - Pat Benatar
repeat nominee from the year before - MC5
- Chaka Khan

60s/70s act that mainstream audiences have never heard of but loved by rock snobs - King Crimson

filler slot random- Doobie Brothers

Posted by jayjay on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 19:08pm


You forgot band with a member that is well-respected in the industry

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 21:07pm


My guess Iron Maiden will be the choice over Judas Priest and Motley Crue in the 2019-2020 cycle. Iron Maiden has been in the Top 10 and probably might be in Top 3 in the Hall Fan Voting this time.They are 1 of the biggest omissions in my opinion. I really like T-Rex chances as Roxy Music now has been inducted. Bolan was highly respected as a musician and T-Rex influenced many of the British rock stars of today. They probably will give Chaka Khan The Zombies treatment next year. The RRHOF clearly wants her inducted and will give her limited competition. I see Kraftwerk coming back next year. Many of the recent inductees might vote for Kraftwerk and it's another band RRHOF clearly wants inducted. I think MC5 chances are near done. They were #15 out of #15 in the FAN VOTING and really aren't a HOF act. Have no idea who the newly nominated act will be. Beck didn't make the cut last year. Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails should return to the ballot with 1 being inducted. I'm probably not picking a rap act next year. It's a shame LL Cool J can't earn induction. Duran Duran getting closer to nomination but I think they give Depeche Mode 1 more shot. Procol Harum probably will be given a Zombies type chance next year. Little competition. They are incredibly deserving and have a few Committee members who will politic for them. I don't know what happens with Todd Rundgren but he has plenty of fans in the voting. Deserves another crack at it in 2019. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 12/16/2018 @ 21:21pm


KDawg,

I will respond to your post. NOT the people making 2020 predictions. Its only 4 days since the 2019 announcement. You made a point about Todd Rundgren. You are actually predicting also but you are focused on Todd R. You are forgetting and many others are that there has been NO announcement for Music Excellence for this year!

How can so many posters forget that. It is a clear omission in the Performer category. I think they just did NOT announce that yet. I Think what happened is a lot of Voters know Todd R far and wide as a producer. This category has been used in recent years. In 2015 Ringo Starr was inducted for Music Excellence. In 2017 Nile Rodgers was inducted for this. M Excellence was skipped last year. There was early influence Sister R Tharpe.

I predict Todd Rundgren as the M Excellence this year for 2019.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 08:27am


It's not a matter of "so many posters" forgetting about the Musical Excellence Award. Most of us haven't. It was just confirmed by Joel Peresman on the morning that the inductees were announced that there would not be any candidates in the side categories, due to the high amount of Performers inductees this year. The ceremony will most likely not have time to do presentations on possible inductees for the Non-Performers, Musical Excellence, or Early Influence categories.

He did acknowledge that we would get a second year of Singles inductees. That's why nobody is predicting Todd getting that award.

Things could always change. If more of the Performers inductees decide not to show up or perform that could give the Hall more time to include inductees for the other categories.

But as of right now, we're only having the 7 Performers inductees and second group of singles inductees for the 2019 class.

No side category inductees this year.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 08:56am


12 bands/artists that I would like to see nominated or inducted next year. #1 -Pat Benatar, #2 -Scorpions, #3 -The Commodores, #4 -Smashing Pumpkins, #5 -Steppenwolf, #6 -Kool & the Gang, #7 -Jethro Tull, #8 -Blue Oyster Cult, #9 -Judas Priest, #10 -King Crimson, #11 -Alice In Chains, #12 -The B-52's. I tend to favorite the Rock/Funk/R&B/Grunge, 70's/80's/90's era.

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 10:55am


12 bands/artists that should, or I think may be nominated or inducted next year. #1 -L.L. Cool J, #2 -Pat Benatar, #3 -Iron Maiden, #4 -Scorpions, #5 -The Commodores, #6 -Jethro Tull, #7 -Smashing Pumpkins, #8 -The B-52's, #9 -T.Rex, #10 -Doobie Brothers, #11 -Tommy James & the Shondells, #12 -Tina Turner. I will also throw in Todd Rundgren as a repeat nominee, and go with Depeche Mode as well. I'm sure I am overlooking a few.

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 11:27am


You forgot band with a member that is well-respected in the industry - Follower

That would be Chic with Nile Rodgers :)

Posted by jayjay on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 11:56am


Would be shocked, or maybe flabbergasted, if Outkast is not nominated next year. They should have been nommed this year, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 12:12pm


I decided to add Blue Ösyter Cult on my snub list.

Posted by Michael on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 13:56pm


My early guesses for a ballot next year:
A Tribe Called Quest
The B-52s
Pat Benatar
Big Star
Phil Collins
Dick Dale
Depeche Mode
Whitney Houston
Jethro Tull
Kraftwerk
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
War

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 14:38pm


I just hope that Depeche Mode and NIN get nominated for 2020.

Posted by Michael on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 15:07pm


@ Micheal

Rage is more likely to be nominated again for the class of 2020 than NIN. With the next cycle of the Presidential Campaign coming, they’re gonna let Tom and Zack take some shots at Trump.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 15:15pm


Troy Smith wrote up a list of performers in his Early Influence Category (from his remaking of the hall.) that all would make fine additions:

Billy Ward and his/The Dominoes
Wynonie Harris
W.C. Handy
Patsy Cline
Son House
Frank Sinatra
Jimmy Reed
The Ravens
Roy Brown
The Clovers
Big Mama Thornton
Jesse Belvin
Big Maybelle
The Carter Family
Lonnie Donegan
Johnny Ace
Amos Milburn
Lightnin' Hopkins

His imagining of the hall had Lavern Baker and John Lee Hooker as EI rather than performers. Admittedly at least one or two of these could go in as performers, but EI seems to be their best way.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 17:43pm


Oops. Jimmy Reed is in the Hall proper as a performer.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/17/2018 @ 18:09pm


Donnie,

I am so very sorry. I had no idea that Joel Peresman announced that there would be no Side categories for 2019. That makes sense since there are 7 inductees as performers this year. That could be a Show that runs over 4 hours already. I remember back in 2002 when there was 6 inductees including Tom Petty, Ramones, Talking Heads as well as Brenda Lee. I recall there was some Early Influence. Even on TV i recall a 4 Hour show edited from 5 Hours. Length is a concern

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 00:07am


I just checked it Out. I will add in myself that Chet Atkins was inducted as a Sideman In 2002 in addition to 6 performers. It rang long I recall

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 00:12am


Donnie,

Ive been trying hard to find the Web site or article where Joel Peresman made the announcement about 2019 Inductees and no Side categories. Please provide

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 06:29am


Ben,

It wasn't in an article. He stated it on Sirius XM Volume, when he made the live announcement of the inductees. They asked him directly about other categories, and he said there will not be any inductees in the other categories.

Posted by Greg P. on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 08:14am


With 7 artists being inducted, there is not much room for the side categories. The only disadvantage of such a large group of Performer inductees.

Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 08:17am


What is your favorite song by each inducted member this year? Sorry if mine are a bit mainstream...

Def Leppard = Rocket
The Cure - Lovesong
Janet Jackson - Control
Stevie Nicks - Stand Back
Zombies - Time of the Season
Roxy Music = Avalon
Radiohead - Karma Police

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 15:36pm


Def Leppard - Let It Go
The Cure - Love Song
Janet Jackson - Black Cat
None from Stevie since I’m not really fond of her.
Zombies - You Make Me Feel Good
Roxy Music - Ladytron
Radiohead - Sit Down. Stand Up.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 15:48pm


Eric,

But how do you know that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis “wrote her songs”? Janet is a credited co-writer on most, if not all, the songs she did with them. They needed her input as much as she needed theirs, no one really knew who they were before she started making music with them, and the music they made without her never reached the impact of the music they made with her. Furthermore they didn’t do one off songs or albums with her, it’s been a decades long collaboration.

Criticize her all you want for lip syncing, no argument from me there, but to dismiss her part in the songwriting process seems way off base and sexist, since these arguments are rarely, if ever, brought up against male pop stars.

Posted by Brett on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 15:56pm


Def Leppard- none
The Cure- A Forest
Janet Jackson- none
Stevie Nicks- Edge Of Seventeen?
The Zombies- Time Of The Season
Roxy Music- none
Radiohead- too much to count

Posted by Michael on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 15:58pm


Def Leppard - Animal
The Cure - In Between Days
Stevie Nicks - Stand Back
Roxy Music - Angel Eyes
Radiohead - Paranoid Android
The Zombies - She's Not There
Janet Jackson - Nasty Girl

Posted by jayjay on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 16:57pm


DEF LEPPARD-Bringin' On The Heartbreak
JANET JACKSON-Black Cat
STEVIE NICKS-Edge Of Seventeen
RADIOHEAD-High And Dry
ROXY MUSIC-Avalon
THE ZOMBIES-Time Of The Season
THE CURE-Just Like Heaven
KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 18:52pm


Janet Jackson should open the show with an Aretha Franklin tribute, just like The Killers and ELO did for Chuck Berry and Tom Petty.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 18:57pm


Janet Jackson should open the show with an Aretha Franklin tribute, just like The Killers and ELO did for Chuck Berry and Tom Petty.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 18:57pm


Def Leppard - Rock Of Ages
The Cure - Plainsong
Stevie Nicks - Solo: Edge Of Seventeen
Overall career: Gold Dust Woman
Roxy Music - Love Is The Drug
Radiohead - guitar rock period:Fake Plastic Trees
electronica period: Idioteque
The Zombies - Time Of The Season
Janet Jackson - Control

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 19:18pm


Def Leppard - Animal
The Cure - Inbetween Days
Stevie Nicks - Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around
Roxy Music - If There’s Something
Radiohead - Street Spirit (Fade Out)
The Zombies - Time of the Season
Janet Jackson - Got Til It’s Gone

Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 12/18/2018 @ 19:34pm


Mentioned them on my blog, but repeating:

The Cure: "Friday, I'm In Love"
Def Leppard: "Photograph"
Janet Jackson: "Feedback"
Stevie Nicks: "Stand Back" (Her version of "Silent Night" gets an honorable mention)
Radiohead: "No Surprises"
Roxy Music: "Flesh And Blood"
The Zombies: "Imagine The Swan"

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 00:07am


My Favorites from the inductees.

The Cure- Pictures of You
Def Leppard- Photograph
Janet Jackson- Just a Little While
Stevie Nicks- Edge of Seventeen
Radiohead- Karma Police
Roxy Music- Remake Remodel
The Zombies- Time of the Season

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 00:52am


Def Leppard - Rock of Ages
The Cure - Just Like Heaven
Stevie Nicks - Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
Roxy Music - None
Radiohead - Creep
The Zombies - She's Not There
Janet Jackson - Nasty Girl

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 07:38am


Def Leppard- Pour Some Sugar On Me
The Cure- Friday I'm in Love
Roxy Music- also none
Stevie Nicks- Silver Spring (let's be honest, she's being inducted at least in part for her Fleetwood Mac output)
Radiohead- Paranoid Android
Janet Jackson- Runaway
The Zombies- Changes

I am so #basic.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 07:58am


The Cure - Pictures Of You
Def Leppard - Love Bites
Janet Jackson - Together Again
Stevie Nicks - Leather And Lace
Radiohead - Let Down
Roxy Music - More Than This
The Zombies - Hung Up On A Dream

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 07:58am


I can play this game. BUT I was never a Cure fan. I bought Disintegration on tape in 1989. I only remember Love Song. In late 80s. In late 80s was much more interested in the Replacements,Inxs and the new John Mellencamp album of 1989. And of course I liked a lot of GnR, Def Leppard,White Lion,Lita Ford,Robert Plant and Traveling Wilburys. I will do this game in just a bit.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 08:37am


Faves from Inductees (liking this class more and more):

The Cure: tough one, there are so many. "Lullaby", I guess

Roxy Music: Again, so many. Probably "Same Old Scene"

Def Leppard: "Photograph"

Janet Jackson: "That's the Way Love Goes"

Stevie Nicks: "Stand Back"

Zombies: "She's Not There"

Radiohead: tough one, as they are more about albums than individual songs. I'll go with "Black Star"

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 10:30am


I can Now play the game.My favs from Inductees.

The Cure-none
Def Leppard-Photograph
Janet Jackson-Nasty Girl
Stevie Nicks-Stop Dragging My Heart Around
Radiohead-none
Roxy Music-Avalon
The Zombies-Tell Her No

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 11:17am


Donnie,

I want to get back to Todd Rundgren. I did NOT know that Joel Peresman spoke on Sirius XM Volume. Well that certainly makes it clear that Todd is done for this year. I guess a lot of posters knew about Sirius XM chat when he said NO side categories. I am surprised Todd didn't make even the Performer category. I predicted him. Of course Radiohead is very likely to be a No show. But the others will probably show up. Right off the bat. The Cure,Def Leppard,Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks are all very likely to show up and give terrific performances. Also Roxy Music and the Zombies are likely to show up and give great performances. So it will probably remain as NO side categories.

I would then say that Todd will return as a performer nominee for 2020. But maybe if there are less Inductees then Todd will be a performer inductee or the Music Excellence. I will stay distant from 2020 predictions. I think what happened is Todd did NOT get enough votes as a performer. He is much more known as a producer. He has a tremendous Amount of producer success.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 16:01pm


I hate to be the anal retentive douche, but the Janet Jackson song is called "Nasty," not "Nasty Girl"

Vanity 6 on the other hand has a song called "Nasty Girl."

Anywhos on to the game....

The Cure- Friday, I'm in Love
Def Leppard- Photograph
Janet Jackson- Rhythm Nation
Stevie Nicks Solo: Blue Lamp
Stevie Nicks/Fleetwood Mac: Gypsy
Radiohead- Karma Police
Roxy Music: Love is the Drug
The Zombies: Time of the Season

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 18:04pm


Ben,

I was surprised as well that Todd Rundgren wasn't voted in, as I had him pegged as my No. 2 most likely inductee.

It goes to show that the voters always go a direction we don't expect. The Rock Hall might've got some younger voters in this year who went for Radiohead, Janet, Roxy Music, and the Cure over Todd Rundgren, John Prine, etc.


I do think Todd will be back next year though. He's probably gonna be like Yes, the Cars, Deep Purple, etc in that he'll be an act that will take a few nominations to get in.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 18:43pm


I'm also going to up the ante on the "Favorite Songs" game.

I'm starting a project where I'm gonna rank my 50 favorite songs from each class/year of Rock Hall inductees. I started with the 2019 class the other morning. Here is that list...


50. Roxy Music- More Than This (1982)
49. Def Leppard- Animal (1987)
48. The Cure- Close to Me (1985)
47. The Cure- Lovesong (1989)
46. Roxy Music- The Space Between (1982)
45. Radiohead- You and Whose Army? (2001)
44. The Zombies- Changes (1968)
43. Janet Jackson- Alright (1989)
42. The Zombies- Maybe After He’s Gone (1968)
41. Janet Jackson- I Get Lonely (1997)
40. Stevie Nicks (w/Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers)- Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around (1981)
39. The Cure- Just Like Heaven (1987)
38. Roxy Music- Love is the Drug (1975)
37. Def Leppard- Foolin’ (1983)
36. The Cure- Pictures of You (1989)
35. The Zombies- She’s Not There (1964)
34. Janet Jackson- Because of Love (1993)
33. Def Leppard- Love Bites (1987)
32. Janet Jackson- If (1993)
31. Stevie Nicks- Edge of Seventeen (1981)
30. Radiohead- How to Disappear Completely (2000)
29. The Zombies- Care of Cell 44 (1968)
28. Janet Jackson- Miss You Much (1989)
27. The Cure- Burn (1994)
26. Def Leppard- Armageddon It (1987)
25. Janet Jackson- You Want This (1993)
24. Def Leppard- Hysteria (1987)
23. Radiohead- Bones (1995)
22. Radiohead- Optimistic (2000)
21. Janet Jackson- Love Will Never Do (Without You) (1989)
20. Stevie Nicks- Stand Back (1983)
19. Def Leppard- Too Late for Love (1983)
18. Def Leppard- Photograph (1983)
17. Janet Jackson- When I Think of You (1986)
16. Janet Jackson- Black Cat (1989)
15. Stevie Nicks- Blue Lamp (1981)
14. The Cure- Disintegration (1989)
13. Janet Jackson (feat. Chuck D.)- New Agenda (1993)
12. The Cure- Friday, I’m in Love (1992)
11. The Zombies- This Will Be Our Year (1968)
10. Radiohead- No Surprises (1997)
9. Radiohead- Idioteque (2000)
8. Def Leppard- Let’s Get Rocked (1992)
7. Radiohead- Fake Plastic Trees (1995)
6. Radiohead- Paranoid Android (1997)
5. The Zombies- Time of the Season (1968)
4. Radiohead- Everything in Its Right Place (2000)
3. Radiohead- Let Down (1997)
2. Janet Jackson- Rhythm Nation (1989)
1. Radiohead- Karma Police (1997)


Total Count of Songs on this list by Artist...

Janet Jackson- 11 songs
Radiohead- 11 songs
Def Leppard- 8 songs
The Cure- 7 songs
The Zombies- 6 songs
Stevie Nicks- 4 songs
Roxy Music- 3 songs

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 18:46pm


Just want to let you guys know:

Robert Smith, the main man of The Cure, HATES Friday I'm In Love so don't expect that to be performed.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 18:57pm


We shall see, Follower. They certainly have enough material to not play it.

They are pros & know what songs their fans love, etc.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12/19/2018 @ 19:48pm


Brett,

One could argue, and I think quite effectively, that Janet Jackson's success was largely dependent on the work of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Prior to her association with them, she had released albums that had fared poorly on the charts, and produced no hit singles on the pop charts. On her first albums, she has no songwriting credits at all. Then Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis arrive and her career explodes.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but ALL of the songs that Janet Jackson has a songwriting credit on that were hit records in the US were credited as being co-written by Jam and Lewis, with the exception of Black Cat, which is listed as a solo for Janet.

And whereas, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Jam and Lewis wrote a host of songs recorded by other artists, including number one records for the Human League, Boyz II Men and Karyn White, the number of singles that hit the Top 40 that were written by Janet Jackson and recorded by someone else is zero, I think.

All of Jam and Lewis's songs, whether they be Janet Jackson records or others, have a similar vibe and I think it is likely that Jam and Lewis did most of the songwriting for Janet, although you are correct, we don't know that for sure. The supposition that Jam and Lewis did the lion's share of the work is just as valid a supposition as your assertion that "they needed her input as much as she needed theirs". We don't really know whether Jam and Lewis needed her input at all or whether she paid them for a songwriting credit. We do know that the songs credited to the three of them did very well and since Jam and Lewis are two people and Janet is one, my statement that most of her songs were largely written by Jam and Lewis has a very high likelihood of being correct. There is no evidence of Janet Jackson being a successful songwriter outside of her work with Jam and Lewis and there is lots of evidence that Jam and Lewis were very successful outside of their work with Jackson.

Again, I feel Jackson's work lacks a singular vision and part of that is whatever her songwriting arrangement with Jam and Lewis is. This isn't about your straw man argument about sexism- there are a host of female artists/songwriters who write songs by themselves: Kate Bush, Joni Mitchell, Joan Armatrading, Saliers and Ray of the Indigo Girls, Brittany Howard of Alabama Shakes and Suzanne Vega come immediately to mind out of the great number of similar artists who do have a singular vision.

At best, Janet Jackson's songwriting is songwriting by committee; at worst it's an arrangement by the Jackson family fortune to exaggerate her role in the songwriting process. Neither of those statements makes Jackson a songwriter of note.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 02:54am


Donnie,

That is an interesting project. Your top 50 songs of each class. I could not possibly undertake something like this. But I will follow your project in the days that follow. I guess 2018 class is next with Bon Jovi,The Cars,Dire Straits. Nina Simone and Moody Blues. I certainly have several favorite songs for them. Hey it's something to kill time. I just find it too much of a chore for myself. A few favorites I have for the Moody Blues are Isn't Life Strange,Legend of a Mind and Tuesday Afternoon. A couple favs of mine from Bon Jovi are Runaway and Living on a Prayer.

2017 certainly has acts that I have favorite songs for like ELO,Journey and Yes. But I have none for Tupac Shakur. 2016 class would work out very well for me with lots of favs for me mostly as well as 2015. For 2012 I have no favs for Laura Nyro. I don't know her music. I will be glad to follow yours.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 03:09am


Ahhhhh. The bull*it "write their own songs" argument that won't die. Sigh.


List of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees that Either Didn't Write Any of Their Songs or Enlisted Songwriting Help For the Bulk of Their Catalog


Elvis Presley ("The King" of Rock and Roll)
The Coasters
Ricky Nelson
Jackie Wilson
The Supremes
The Temptations
The Four Tops
LaVern Baker
Sam & Dave
Etta James
Martha and the Vandellas
The Shirelles
The Jackson 5
Solomon Burke
Brenda Lee
The Righteous Brothers
The Ronettes
Little Anthony and the Imperials
Darlene Love
Linda Ronstadt
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band (counting them because the majority of their songs were covers of blues standards though they did have their own compositions)
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts (same as the Paul Butterfield Blues Band)


While a few of those artists you could makes cases for not being deserving, the majority of those are clearly Rock and Roll Hall of Famers. Are you gonna really say that the Supremes, the Temptations, and Elvis Presley don't deserve to be in the HOF because they didn't write their own songs.

And in general, no one bats an eye at "The King of Rock N' Roll" Elvis never writing a single song in his life, but when a major female artist like Janet Jackson who has written more of her own material than about 90% of the people I just listed collaborates with other producers and songwriters then somehow she's not as credible an artist.

This seems to be thrown at female artists way more than male artists. It's a huge double standard that has existed for decades.


Secondly so what if Janet collaborated with a great production team to make the majority of her catalog? You know who else collaborated with an innovative, groundbreaking record producer to make the majority of their iconic catalog? Oh yeah, that's right the greatest and most important rock band in history, the Beatles. As great of songwriters and visionaries as John Lennon, Paul McCartney, and George Harrison (sorry Ringo lol) were, they couldn't have created the overall great works of art they did without George Martin.

The same could be said for just about every artist in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (except like Prince, who literally did everything himself), and heck 95% of the greatest artists that have ever lived!

Elvis relied on songwriters and producers and session musicians to make his great material and help him realize his full vision. Actually early on, he probably had less of a definitive musical vision for himself than Janet did for herself.

So the whole Janet teaming up with great producers/songwriters somehow makes her not a credible artist, is an absolute crap argument at best, and sexist argument at worse or just dumb in either format. Because if you're gonna make that argument, you might as well say 95% of musical artists over the last 100 years aren't credible artists.

Geez.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 08:03am


@ Donnie

You forgot Janis Joplin and to a lesser extent Ozzy Osbourne (mostly his solo material).

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 09:15am


Excellent post, Donnie! Janet is a HOFer, just like the ones you listed above.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 10:03am


what a bunch of bovine droppings is right

jj can barely sing while Elvis has one of the all time greatest voices in r&r history. YOU HAVE YOUR NERVE! Remember Ashlee Simpson? If she catches it then jj needs to be called out.

The rbist racism needs to stop. you need to stop looking at skin color before praising those with darker tones only.

Her fans could care less. Do not give me that phoney balony fb page.

Now let's look at this disgusting family.

how many accusations of molestation were made against her brother? some even made it to court. not guilty does not equal innocent. less than 1% of rape incidents end in a conviction. i am sure it is worse for children. this shows it is more likely for an offender to get away with a criminal act. to add to this you have an adult male marketing bubble gum to preteens also called teenie bopper music. during the shows the man is grabbing his crotch. was he getting off on kids? then what he was doing toward the end with plastic surgery. if a friend was doing something similar i would encourage them to get professional help. now remember when the family turned on LaToya and tried to blame their nastiness on the fans. she said there was abuse in the family and it was heavy on Michael and she felt that he was molesting children. his behavior goes a long way to back up LaToya's assertions.

For the record when William Kennedy Smith tried running for office in Illinois, the women's groups put a stop to it.

Songs both micheal and jj are questionable as actually writing. the anti Lionel Richie is disrespectful and shameful.

it all comes down to corporate brown nosers and corporate stable writers. over the decades there have been tons of interviewers where artist talk about being forced to do corporate songs. somebody who does this willingly would naturally be looked down on as a corporate sell out.

she is not r&r. go watch Dirty Dancing and West Side Story. This is where 80s dance show came from and not r & r.

#metoo would not touch this poison. they are ignoring her.

she is a follower and not a leader

as per Beyonce TLC not jj set the mold for women in r&b

she has no business along with the rest of family stinking up the place

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 13:02pm


Another day, another lecture from Zuzu. For someone who hates the Rock Hall so much, you sure are on a Rock Hall fan site a lot.

Posted by Greg P. on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 13:05pm


He was no saint, but there's a phrase "Do not speak ill of the dead". Appreciate the music. OJ Simpson is in the football HOF, and chances are good he killed his ex-wife.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 13:26pm


I hate the lack of integrity in a process that lacks oversight. Just as many artist do. post r&r has no business being put before r&r. Who is trying to pull down the hall with garbage? the ones who do hate r&r.

Stop pushing propaganda. My dad used to point out propaganda to me all the time so i know its stench. He had good reason to as one of his friends enlisted in wwii due to propaganda films. It wasn't until he got to Europe that somebody finally put 2 and 2 together and realized he was only 12. stop the false info. Keep spreading the fertilizer and i will speak up with facts.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 13:34pm


K-Dawg

So football needs to clean up its act too. Look at how cheerleaders are treated. they are getting a fight on several fronts.

Good way to hide the past and push a false history.

now here is the question.

Would you say same if they were white?

look at Phil Spector. Ronnie Spector is very lucky to have made their escape before she and the kids were the ones found dead.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 13:45pm


Donnie,

My argument is not that a performer shouldn't be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame if they were not capable of writing their own songs. Clearly there are some incredibly talented vocalists who don't write songs. To compare Janet Jackson, who has, in my opinion, a weak voice to the point where she has to resort to lip-synching during performances to Elvis or Levi Stubbs or Diana Ross
is an incredible stretch. No one bats an eye at any of those artists being in the Rock Hall because they are superlative vocalists. Janet Jackson just isn't.

My argument is also not that aa collaborative effort in songwriting eliminates someone from Rock Hall consideration. Producers are an important part of the final recording project.
Most producers are not included in songwriting credits. I don't think any of the Beatles songs were written by George Martin nor did he receive any songwriting credit, the way Jam and Lewis are credited on almost all Janet Jackson's songs as songwriters. John, Paul and George (sorry, Ringo) have proven their songwriting ability by writing many iconic songs where they are listed as the sole songwriter. Janet Jackson hasn't, and it raises the legitimate question to what degree was her contribution to the songwriting of any her songs, particularly when her collaborators, Jam and Lewis have clearly established themselves as songwriters on many other hit records not listing Janet Jackson as a co-writer.

What my argument remains is that Janet Jackson has little to qualify her for the Rock Hall. Vocally, not very strong. Songwriting ability, not clearly established. Lip-synchs during performances. Not that much different from Britney Spears in many regards.

Believe it or not, I don't dislike Janet Jackson, I just find her boring and an example of someone having the privilege of the rich amplifying their merits. Janet clearly has a passionate fan base who like her a lot, just as Britney Spears does. I'm sure ten years from now there will be disagreements about Britney Spears merits in this forum. Or about Justin Bieber's.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 13:47pm


It's about 5 years too early to speculate on it, I know, but Britney has a real chance to enter the RRHOF one day. She did usher in the teen craze of the early 00's

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 14:18pm


K-Dawg:

About Britney, I'm not sure whether you're joking or not. But it wouldn't surprise me either way.

I recently read on-line about Britney Spears and her Las Vegas residency. I was a bit taken aback by the article. The author notes that Britney performs a show that is reportedly visually spectacular, but she is very obviously lip-synching. What took me aback was the author's opinion that the audience just didn't care about the lip-synching and was enjoying the performance for what it was.

True, Vegas shows are all about visuals and glitz and there is nothing real about Las Vegas. But to not care whether someone is actually singing during a reportedly musical performance I find somewhat disheartening. And I think lip-synching is the antithesis of the spirit of Rock and Roll.

The next step beyond lip-synching being acceptable in a live performance is an artist being lauded for lip-synching songs that someone else has sung.

Perhaps Milli Vanilli should be seriously considered for the Rock Hall of Fame, he asks, somewhat tongue-in-cheek?

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 15:07pm


Eric,

Why aren't you criticizing Def Leppard as hard as you are criticizing Janet Jackson? Their producer Mutt Lange co-wrote every song Def Leppard is famous for except "Bringin' on the Heartbreak". And unlike Jam & Lewis, who didn't really have any huge successes BEFORE Jackson, Lange had had huge successes with AC/DC (Back in Black) and Foreigner (4) before he really broke out with Leppard (4 was released before High 'n' Dry.) Lange ended up scoring diamond albums for three different artists (AC/DC, Def Leppard, and Shania Twain) and he had a lot more success outside Def Leppard I would say than Jam & Lewis had outside Janet Jackson. If anything, Def Leppard was going for a successful surefire hard rock producer while Jackson broke out with producers who hadn't yet broken out (and she was just as responsible for their breakout as they were for her.) If anything, if you're criticizing anybody for being too reliant on their production, I think Def Leppard would be a better case.

I still think they both deserve it though.

Posted by Sean on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 21:22pm


Janet Jackson clearly deserves her induction, this notion that having co-songwriters lessens her qualifications doesn't add up. There are some artists in there who were not songwriters at all. It's not the songwriters Hall of Fame. Her body of work is outstanding. I have also seen her live and she was not lip syncing!

Posted by Kenneth Johnson on Thursday, 12/20/2018 @ 23:41pm


Sean,

You certainly do make an excellent argument for Mutt Lange being in a songwriters' and producers' Hall of Fame. And I could make a similar argument for Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis being in similar institutions. In an earlier post I made the comment that perhaps Jimmy and Terry belonged in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and I was not entirely kidding.

But what Def Leppard has to do with my central argument that Janet Jackson has not done enough to qualify her for the Rock and Roll of Fame befuddles me.

Def Leppard is not in the Rock Hall for their songwriting ability, in my opinion. All the same, I would guess that they are decent songwriters. Why do I think so? A Def Leppard song, a Foreigner song, and AC/DC song and a Shania Twain song sound nothing alike, implying that there is significant input of the other co-writers. There is a great amount of similarity in Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis songs, whether they be written for Janet Jackson or for any other artist. One could well imagine Janet Jackson singing "Just Be Good to Me", a Jam/Lewis song that became a worldwide smash for the SOS Club and that was written while Janet Jackson was still struggling for the success that accompanied her association with Jam and Lewis. Can't imagine Bon Scott singing "Pour Some Sugar on Me" or "Man, I Feel Like a Woman!"

But even if Mutt Lange wrote every note of every song that Def Leppard sang, they would still qualify for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Joe Elliot is a very good singer, he doesn't lip sync during "live" concerts and Def Leppard the group play their own instruments. They are a band.

Let me put it on a grid, to (hopefully) discourage other straw man arguments: (hopefully the format that this site uses to post messages won't mess this up) EP- Elvis, B- Beatles, Q- Queen DL- Def Leppard, DR Diana Ross, JJ Janet Jackson, BS- Britney Spears

Vocalist Songwriting Plays Instruments

EP Great N/A No
B Great Great Yes, well
Q Great Good, ? great Yes, well
DL Very good ? Yes, well
DR Very good,? great N/A No
JJ Weak voice, lip syncs ? Sparingly
BS Weak voice, lip syncs Weak Sparingly

So it appears the artist Jackson has the most in common with is Britney Spears.

As David S.Pumpkins more than once asked, "ANY QUESTIONS?"

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 00:06am


The format did mess up my grid by eliminating the spaces:

I'll try it again for clarity:

(1) Vocals (2) Songwriting (3) Plays Instruments

EP (1) Great (2) N/A (3) No
B (1) Great (2) Great (3) Yes, well
Q (1) Great (2) Good, ? Great (3) Yes, well
DL (1) Very good (2) ? (3) Yes, well
DR (1) Very good, ? great (2) N/A (3) No
JJ (1) Weak voice,lip syncs (2) ? (3) Sparingly
BS (1) Weak voice,lip syncs (2) Weak, (3) Sparingly

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 00:15am


You can also add Bon Jovi to the "Wrote no songs and/or Enlisted outside help for the majority of their career" list. Possibly Aerosmith too, in that the first era they did everything themselves, but in the 90's and onward they had outside help.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 03:15am


Donnie,

You make some terrfic points. I feel this chat has gone too far. I was reading. Janet Jackson is talented even if she had a team. She is not my thing but she is talented. Yes, the greatest group of all time,the Beatles relied on George Martin as producer. They couldn't have created perhaps Help and certainly Rubber Soul,Revolver, Sgt Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour without George Martin. I own every Beatles album on Cd. In fact my favorite band of all time the Who had a whole production team to help them during their career. Glyn John, Kit Lambert and Chris Stamp helped make a lot of their stuff possible. David Bowie had great producers in his career like Tony Visconti and Brian Eno 1976-1980.

Michael Jackson needed Quincy Jones and a team of over 40 people to create Thriller. One of the most successful albums of all time back in 1982. Quincy Jones also produced Bad. I have some knowledge of Michael J. I am NOt even a big fan of Michael. I am much more into Rock. So therefore I certainly agree that Janet Jackson having a production team does not matter at all. I do agree with your view. Heck I would rather see Janet J inducted than yet another Rap act. She was shut out a few times due to Rap. And I like the tune Nasty Girl or Nasty Boy. Good party tune. She has a few. It's the long career that gets her inducted. And I am a Rocker. I don't own any Janet Jackson.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 05:45am


Eric Tompkins,

Thank you for articulating your point of view extremely well. For what it’s worth, I agree with you completely on all of your salient points. I do not believe that Janet Jackson has even remotely qualified at the minimal level for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, either.

As far as Aerosmith is concerned; are not most of the songs on their albums filler? In my honest opinion, one or two great songs on an album does not a great artist make. Compared to a group like Rush, Aerosmith is definitely a minor league act.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 09:44am


Well that's laughable. Aerosmith managed to have hits in 4 different decades. Aerosmith sold a lot of records. Aerosmith had a dedicated following in the 70's, then after some time, had a comeback in the 80's. That comeback was fueled more by outside songwriters, and they even used the same music for Cryin' and Crazy. Aerosmith were relevant in 40 decades at various times, and spent most of their existance with the same five members.

Rush, meanwhile, had only one hit, didn't sell that much, and have a loyal following. Progressive Rock is very niche, while Aerosmith was more mainstream and accessible.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 14:27pm


Rush actually has more than one radio staple. “In The Mood,” “Fly By Night,” “Closer To The Heart, “The Spirit Of The Radio”,”Limelight,” and of course, “Tom Swayer.”

They not be commercially successful as Aerosmith, but I still love both of guys equally.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 15:10pm


Eng is right. Aerosmith was a 3rd tier band with only 1 relevant album, Toys in the Attic, No they were not relevant for 4 decades. That is a joke.

Actually The Guess Who is more important as far as influence goes. Nearly every Canadian artist considers them an influence.

Do not be as clueless as the nom com. You need to dig but avoid nom com brown nosers. Just check to see if they are on the nom com or were given ballots by the nom com. all you will get is propaganda from them. Based on what you say you do not vet your sources.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 15:59pm


Zuzu,
David Fricke apparently pushed for The Guess Who this past year but they didn’t get enough support for nomination. I’d expect to see them on the ballot in the next few years.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 16:15pm


Um.. I knew Zuzu was opinionated, but not blind to reality.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 16:51pm


@ Nick

Are there any other names on Fricke‘s snub list beside the Guess Who? Even though, I don’t think they’ll make it into the HOF, but I’m just curious.

@ Zuzu

When it comes to Caindian bands who cited them as one of their influences both musically and nationally, I could see Rush, Nickelback, Theory of the Deadman and maybe Anvil as fans of them. But not Sum 41, Three Days Grace, and Strapping Young Lad.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 16:52pm


Alan Light mentioned that Fricke brought their name up in the Nom Com Meeting back in October on SiriusXM (when the 2019 nominees were announced). On my own site, I predicted he’d push for Beck since he gave ‘Sea Change’ a rare five-star review back in 2002. But that obviously didn’t happen. Don’t know who else Fricke supports beyond The Guess Who.

Posted by Nick on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 17:16pm


@ Nick

That’s an interesting prediction on Beck. Stone Temple Pilots could also be on Fricke‘s snub list too since he met the late Scott Weiland many times and had friendly relationships with him. So, he probably had some talk with the others at the Nom Com about the 90’s.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 17:39pm


Nick

They should have been nominated a long time ago. Instead they tried to make the 70s to be all about disco r&b brits and irrelevant nonsense that was a flop that they are covering their buts like MC5 and Kraftwerk. I had never even heard of these two. In76 I was Spain and went to a discoteca. No Kraftwerk there.

Dude this group is the pride of Canada. BTO and 5 Man Electrical Band spun out of them. There were tons of Canadian artist before.

You can go back to Paul Anka who has been inducted into both US and Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame. He was a protege of Buddy Holly and Buddy Holly recorded a song written Paul Anka called It Doesn't Matter Anymore. When Buddy Holly died Paul Anka gifted the rights to the song, to Buddy Hollly's widow.

Follower

You have your nerve calling me blind when you are so clueless. I know my decade. I was a teen in the 70s. You just do not like hearing the truth from somebody who was there. You need to stop falling for propaganda. the brits were not big in the 70s. Young Rebels and the Bicentennial. r&r and rock are American genres. prog metal and punk are not rock and the only one that has some crossover is prog

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 18:24pm


There is a vocal minority that likes to push down mainstream rock/pop. While there are some valid points, the RRHOF is a business, and is in the business of putting in people that the public wants to see. I personally didn't find Stevie Nicks deserving of a spot based on her solo work alone, but she got put in because it does attract some fans. Aerosmith and Def Leppard are huge as mainstream rock acts, and have a much bigger following than some more specialized bands. There always will be critical darlings that will get in, but be prepared for the popular acts more than the specialized ones. This isn't necessarily how any one rock n roll fan, myself included, may want it, but it will be how it's gonna be.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 12/21/2018 @ 21:38pm


KDawg,

I agree with that. There is in fact a push to put down mainstream rock/pop. The RR Hall of Fame is a business of putting people the public wants to see in recent years. Lets go back to 2008. It was NOT really that way yet. Such people as Leonard Cohen,The Ventures and the Dave Clark Five were inducted along with Madonna and John Mellencamp. Those were the 2 Mainstream acts.I watched this one. It was less populist.

Exactly 10 years ago in 2009. The inductees were Jeff Beck,Little Anthony, Metallica,Run DMC and Bobby Womack. The populist name was Metallica. Very deserved and certainly popular. The populist trend hadnt really exploded yet. There were a lot more specialized names going in. I feel it got overdone.

In 2011 The specialized thing got overdone. The 2011 Class was Darlene Love,Alice Cooper,Dr. John,Neil Diamond and Tom Waits. I felt this was a low forhe Hall. 2011 I felt was bad class IMO. Too many critical darlings. I am opposite to all that put down of mainstream. The specialized acts can get overdone.

2012 had more mainstream Rock/pop and even Rap with GnR,Beastie Boys and RH Chili Peppers. This Class was half and half. Donovan was also inducted. I think Donovan is more specialized as a leftover 60s acts. I tend to find 60s acts more as pet projects.

This is how the trend to more of the Mainstream Rock/pop acts rose up. Many years ago in the 90s there was lots of popular acts that were inducted. Long list. By 2007 the popular acts faded for awhile. It was not a smart trend in terms of putting in people the public wants to see. A whole bunch were inducted that were NOT very popular. I like some of the specialized acts like Leonard Cohen. After 2011 there has been a return to mainstream Rock/pop. 2008-2011 were NOT like this.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 01:52am


I never said Brits were big, because Aerosmith were as American as apple pie and baseball.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 04:00am


Is it bad everytime I see a certain name, I think of that little yappy bird from the Lion King? Forgive me lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 04:09am


It makes you look like a total sexist jerk.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 05:54am


Some people are really spreading the fertilizer thick. If you took the time to look it up you would know the hall is a non-profit that is running in the red. the reason is because they made some very stupid decisions like a list that had the lowest fan vote ever. If they were somehow making a profit indirectly they could possibly be in big trouble with the IRS. If any of the po'd artist catch wind of something and report it and the IRS finds something that artist gets to make money.

Please that in hall machine is a stat no no and the could be fixing it to show what they. another stupid mistake. you try to find out why people are not coming if you want to increase visitors.

come on mainstream. pull your head out of the propaganda hole you shoved it into.

You do know that the end boomers are due to retire over the next decade and they will have time to spend on the internet. Do you know what they say about payback? That is if House of Pei hasn't come crashing down.

r&r an early influence r&r. an ideology straight out of 1984.

i wonder how much a pro propagandist gets paid. i do not know why but i get this feeling that several people on here know.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 06:32am


K-Dawg,
So what certain names make you think of that yappy bird in Lion King? LOL. I do have a silly sense of humor too. SO what do think of my last post. I was looking at the past to show how the mainstream Rock/pop acts made a come back. I think the trend happened after 2011. Clearly there were lots of mainstream rock/pop acts that were inducted yeard ago in the 90s. Clearly by 2009 the Hall had taken a strange turn to more specialized acts.

Due to public outcry the classes after 2012 showed a return to more of the mainstream. Donna Summer,Heart and Rush. I have said this before that if Not for Bobby Womack, Darlene Love,Dr. John and the Faces acts like Heart,Rush,Chicago,Yes, Journey and the Moody Blues could have been inducted sooner.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 06:47am


Ben

You are old enough to know better. disco you know better.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 08:43am


At no point did I make any comment that was sexist. And I am certainly no jerk, but that's a perception issue.


@ Ben,

I felt your post was very insightful, actually. And it's pretty accurate. The hall threw a LOT of critical favorites onto the ballots for a few years there. It almost was a bridge, with a couple major names going in every year, between the 60s-to early 70s acts and the late 70s to early 90s acts, in terms of popularity. It may be non-profit, but attendance is still what is going to drive it, and a lot of people want to see their favorite acts that they grew up hearing on the radio, seeing in concert, etc. The money from the souvenirs they buy goes somewhere.


It might not be what everyone wants to hear, since we are all driven by our perceptions, but rock and roll, and its influence, spans all these genres. And, as I have mentioned before, the music we grew up with as children will shape our tastes, whether we realize it or not. I fully understand how Leonard Cohen and Linda Ronstadt are critically important for the Hall, yet I listened to Def Leppard and Tupac Shakur, among many others. They have influence and innovation, but they are more popular picks that some hall purists would scoff at. The Hall is never going to please everybody, but they are making some strides in trying to get that bottom line met. If people want to call it the Music Hall of Fame, whatever. Every act in is tied to rock and roll in some form.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 11:43am


little bird comment is extremely sexist and it does most certainly make you come across as a jerk. too many on here do not bat an eye at a sexist but would be up in arms at most racist comments.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 11:52am


"Little bird" from Lion King is Zazu. When I first started posting here, I thought it was your name, but then realized the spelling difference. How it is sexist is beyond me. I am not familiar with any sexist names like that because I tend to try not to be sexist. I will be the first to admit my wife is better than I am, and last time I checked, she is female.

I will drop this now, and if somehow it offended you, I apologize. My points I stand behind, however

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 11:57am


it likens women to being annoying. it is not used with men. If you do not get it maybe your wife can get you to see why it comes across as sexist.

Zuzu is a Polish variant of my given name. It was also what my Polish born grandma called me. It is also the name of the youngest daughter in It's a Wonderful Life.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 12:08pm


Just to be clear. I dont know anything about Lion King. The Yappy Bird could have been named John or Bill. I have no idea about a Bird because I dont know about Lion King.Sorry about that. No more Jokes from me. So anyway. The acts inducted are more popular ones in recent years. There was a lot of complaints from the Public

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 14:16pm


@Zuzu If you hate The Rock Hall so much, constantly calling it a garbage dump ticket, then why are you here?

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 15:04pm


the complaints were not about this group except from brown nosers that when i google them have a connection to the hall.

probably the biggest complaints in order high to low are

Chubby Checker
Tommy James and the Shondells
Peter Paul and Mary
Judy Collins
The Guess Who
Connie Francis
Pat Benatar
Styx
Dionne Warwick
Glen Campbell
Paul Anka
Bachman-Turner Overdrive


I question who is pushing the Monkees

Judy Collins I am basing on an artist push due to her being in the pubic eye a lot lately

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 15:06pm


Michael

I am not the one that hates the concept of the rock and roll hall. you guys must hate it since you are trying to put in garbage that is going to shut down the hall.

I want oversight of the nom com just as the artist have been asking for

the artist also are tired of garbage on the tickets.

Somebody needs to call out lies and propaganda

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 15:15pm


@Zuzu The Cold War ended, you don't need to use the word propaganda anymore. And what "garbage"? Radiohead and The Cure isn't garbage. Kraftwerk isn't garbage. Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails isn't garbage. How is it shutting the Hall down?

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 15:19pm


You are so naive if you think Russia is the only one to use propaganda. Our government uses it as do several organizations and businesses. I have related the story of how my dad's 12 year old friend enlisted in the army during wwii.

As far as R&R goes it is garbage.

It is a garbage dump ticket because very undeserving act are added to a ticket in order to push through a mediocre act.

It is not just me or about my taste. Joe Walsh's reaction to this ticket was to hold his nose

Were the votes even counted. Without oversight you can not say any of these artist truly got in

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 15:45pm


@Zuzu i asked you how those bands were garbage, not your life story.

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 15:48pm


I told you. They are being rejected by the artist.

It is not just my opinion.

I really feel sorry for you that you are so taken by the hall propagandist.

I understand being upset by something that gives you the warm fuzzies is shown to be fake. I hated when my dad did it to me, but i grew up and i understood he was trying to protect me from being taken advantage by somebody.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 15:59pm


@Zuzu oh boy you're a handful

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 17:27pm


What is your problem with Patrick Stump?

His father was an Old Town Folk musician who played with Steve Goodman. I can not confirm it yet but I would not be surprised to find out he had also played with John Prine and Jimmy Buffett too.

Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 12/22/2018 @ 19:01pm


There are always going to be detractors and naysayers denying the changes happening to the Hall. It's been bashed for all of its 32 years, and many times justifiably, but it's never shied away from its mission. It doesn't turn around and try to change direction, or branch off with just a "rock" hall to satisfy those who can't accept rock and roll doesn't mean one type of music, but the preeminent domain that is loved by many, in all of its forms. Some love it, some hate it, but the RRHOF has done a good job of staying consistent. They do need to adapt and have a better well-rounded roster, in spite of having so many in already, but it is slowly getting there.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 12/23/2018 @ 04:49am


Donnie and Evan,

I appreciate both of your points of view with regards to the 2020 Inductees.

Eric Thompson,

Thank you for articulating your point of view extremely well. For what it’s worth, I agree with you completely on all of your salient points. I do not believe that Janet Jackson has even remotely qualified at the minimal level for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, either.

Follower,

As far as Aerosmith is concerned; are not most of the songs on their albums filler? In my honest opinion, one or two great songs on an album does not a great artist make. Compared to a group like Rush, Aerosmith is definitely a minor league act.

Here is the difference, for most “progressive rock” artists, especially the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), the single was not nearly as important as the overall album. Occasionally, their management would release singles from their albums, but each song had been like a piece of a much bigger puzzle. Each song would be an integral part of the album. If the song itself had become popular, then that had been been almost accidental. Of course, radio programmers had been reluctant to play Rush songs on the radio in their earlier days. In fact, I do not really believe that their management had even the faintest idea of what song from an album to release as a single. Case in point, instead of releasing ‘Bastille Day,’ or even ‘Lakeside Park’ from “Caress Of Steel,” they had released ‘The Return Of The Prince,’ from ‘The Necromancer.’ However, the great irony is that many great Rush songs could have been played on the radio, had the record companies backed them at an earlier time. At a later time, Rush’s songs had improved immeasurably overall. However, the same five or six songs had been played over and over. Although, ‘Tom Sawyer’ is a great song, I can think of 50 Rush songs which are better in my honest opinion. However, they had played ‘Tom Sawyer’ endlessly and now I have a tendency to switch the channel whenever it has been played. In contrast, the managements of both The Moody Blues and Yes had a much better idea of which of their songs would work as radio singles.

By the way, I happen to like three songs by Aerosmith: ‘Dream On,’ ‘Janie’s Got A Gun’ and ‘Livin’ On The Edge.’

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/23/2018 @ 10:54am


I do agree. I don't know the album Caress of Steel at All. The earliest album of Rush I know is 2112. It is the same thing. I think the single was Temple of Syrinx. It is piece of a much bigger work. You can say much more on this but 2112 is a concept album. I remember mainly the hits/keys tunes. I vaguely remember 2112. At a later time the same 5 or 6 Rush songs had been played. Maybe 7. Tom Sawyer is a great song but I prefer Red Barchetta and YYZ from the same album. Those were NOT played very much on Rock Radio. Other songs played a lot are Spirit of Radio,Limelight, Subdivisions, New World Man and Distance Early Morning. There is also Big Money. That could be the seventh tune.

Now I support Aerosmith much more than you do because of Blues Rock that I also love. I own Toys in the Attic, Rocks and tunes from Permanent Vacation and Pump. I don't really agree with the filler concept. I suppose the last songs on the Aerosmith albums are. Pure and simple Toys in the Attic,Rocks and Permanent Vacation are great albums. I know Aerosmith slightly more than Rush. Dream On,Janies Got a Gun and Livin on the Edge are great songs. Sweet Emotion,Uncle Salty,Rats in the Cellar and Rag Doll are good ones too. I like both bands. I was going with the chat.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/26/2018 @ 06:03am


Enig,

I will mention that I was Rush at Madison Square Garden in Dec. 1982. It was magnificent. I was followed Rush quite a bit in those days. I would say back in 1982 you were in your earlier days as a fan. I think you said you saw them around 1982. Is that right? Neil Peart threw his drums in the year during YYZ. I think that's customary during a long drum solo.

As far as concerts I never saw Aerosmith,Van Halen,Eric Clapton or ZZ Top. I did see Rush. How about that. My Rush knowledge is limited because the last album I bought was Presto in 1989.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/27/2018 @ 06:57am


I'm late to the party, but I'm going to post my thoughts on this year's class.

I'm shocked but thrilled that they went with 7 inductees this year instead of the usual 5 or 6 for the first time in 15 years (since 2004), I would've liked to see LL Cool J and Todd Rundgren get in this year, but I think that they'll both get another shot and I think that they'll both get in within the next five years.

other than Stevie Nicks's solo induction, all of the artists that got inducted this year are very well deserving and were big-time snubs of the HOF.

I'm very happy to see The Cure finally break the 80's alternative logjam and that an 80's alternative act finally got inducted, their induction should definitely open the door for other 80's alternative acts like Depeche Mode, The Smiths, Pixies, The Replacements, Joy Division/New Order, Sonic Youth and Kate Bush.

I'm also happy that Def Leppard and The Zombies got inducted too, their inductions should open the door for other Classic Rock acts like Bad Company, Pat Benatar, The Doobie Brothers, Jethro Tull, The Monkees, T. Rex, King Crimson, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Motorhead. those 10 acts that I just mentioned are the only no-brainer Classic Rock acts left that need to go in IMO.

I'm very surprised but thrilled that Radiohead got in this year, they should have gotten inducted last year, but better late than never, their induction should open the door for other 90's alternative Rock acts like Beck, Nine Inch Nails, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Alice In Chains, Jane's Addiction and the nominated this year-but rejected Rage Against The Machine.

I'm also very surprised but thrilled that Roxy Music got in this year, their induction proves that an act doesn't have to sell a lot of records in the United States to get in, their induction should open the door for other acts that were more popular overseas but still very important and influential nevertheless in the States like the aforementioned The Smiths, Kate Bush and T. Rex. as well as 80's New Wave acts like Duran Duran, Eurythmics, The B-52's and the nominated this year-but rejected Devo.

I'm so happy to see that Janet Jackson finally got in as well, her induction should open the door for Tina Turner, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey. as well as other R&B/Soul acts like The Spinners, War, Barry White, The Commodores, Kool & The Gang and the nominated this year-but rejected Chaka Khan.

Overall, this is one of the best classes of the HOF in quite some time, some neglected genres are finally starting to get the respect that they deserve and I'm very happy about it.

Those are my thoughts on this year's induction class.

Posted by richie on Friday, 12/28/2018 @ 23:35pm


richie,

Okay, where do we go from here? From my particular perspective five out of the seven 2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees had definitely deserved this honor. Overall, I have been able to appreciate the fact that Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music and the Zombies have made the list. I had also voted for The Cure and Radiohead multiple times. Unfortunately, Kraftwerk has not yet been inducted and I still believe that Todd Rundgren should have been given the award for Musical Excellence.

Stevie Nicks’ solo induction should lead to a Sheryl Crow nomination and I believe that Sheryl Crow should ultimately have the honor of inducting Stevie Nicks.

Roxy Music’s long overdue induction should lead to a nomination and in induction for Duran Duran. I also think the Duran Duran should have the honor of inducting Roxy Music into the Rock Hall and joining them onstage during their performances.

The Zombies’ long overdue induction should lead to a re-nomination of Procol Harum. Should Gary Brooker induct The Zombies, or should Paul Schaffer?

Unfortunately, I am not quite sure where you go with either Radiohead, or The Cure. Will Coldplay receive an induction in 2023, or will Muse be inducted in 2024, as a result of Radiohead’s induction? What about The Smiths, Joy Division/ New Order and The Replacements? Will The Cure’s upcoming induction rekindle a greater appreciation for alternative rock?

I cannot be even the slightest bit upset about the induction of Def Leppard; I just simply did not vote for them. I had been hoping that either Iron Maiden, or Judas Priest would have been nominated instead. I am not entirely sure where you go from here. Will we see a nomination for Twisted Sister in the not too distant future, as a result?

On the other hand, I have never really appreciated anything that Janet Jackson has supposedly ever done musically; although, I think that Janet’s forte is acting instead. In my honest opinion, RuPaul Andre Charles, a.k.a. RuPaul, should induct her, since his show, “RuPaul‘s Drag Race” is all about lip-synching and dancing – Janet’s forte.

I would personally like to see Sade inducted for many reasons, particularly because they write their songs, write their own lyrics, and perform those works onstage without requiring the accompaniment of numerous guest dancers and musicians. Also, Helen Folasade Adu still has an extraordinary voice that really fills the room and ultimately moves you physically and intellectually.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/29/2018 @ 08:58am


richie,

American and five British artists on this list. I suppose that is a particularly noteworthy achievement for the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

My favorite artists from this list are: Roxy Music, The Zombies and Stevie Nicks.

So, rather than dwelling on the past, let’s move forward with 6 possible 2020 inductees.

Of course, since Roxy Music have now finally received an induction, I thoroughly expect Duran Duran to receive a nomination in October, 2019 and an induction in 2020. In my honest opinion, what also helps them out, are the recent inductions of the “holy trinity”of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), in addition to the upcoming induction of Roxy Music.

I also expect to see a re-nomination for Procol Harum as a result of The Zombies upcoming induction. I think that Steven Van Zandt will definitely be interested in supporting another Procol Harum nomination. Once again, they have the recent inductions of the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) to help them out.

Sheryl Crow would definitely make a fine addition to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame and I think that she would be a great presenter for discussing and acknowledging the merits of Stevie Nick’s solo career induction.

Also, Carly Simon has been long overdue for both a Rock Hall nomination and induction, perhaps the 2019 induction of Stevie Nicks as a solo artist will be a boon for this great singer/songwriter. In her own right, Carly Simon is a great songwriter and her inexcusable absence from the Rock Hall will hopefully be rectified soon.

Jethro Tull has been long overdue for an induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. What helps them out tremendously happens to be the recent inductions of the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues).

In my honest opinion, Sade should have been inducted several years ago, also. If nothing else, they should have received a nomination this year. This superlative smooth jazz combo has been fronted by the extremely talented lyricist, composer and vocalist Helen Folasade Adu, for well over 3 decades. During that time, they have managed to release 6 studio albums, of which at least 4 are superlative and have continued to record several noteworthy songs throughout their career. Sade tends to be a great crossover artist with both critics and the public appreciating their musical output.

So, here are seven of my early picks for the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Class:

Duran Duran
Procol Harum
Sheryl Crow
Carly Simon
Jethro Tull
Sade
Tina Turner

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/29/2018 @ 09:05am


richie, Ben, Timothy, Philip and The Dude,

Unlike many of you, I had not been surprised by the nominees list. Here is proof:

Not quite four weeks ago, I had written this:

It is now December and in slightly less than 2 weeks, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five, (Roxy Music, Radiohead, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk and The Zombies) Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

By the way, I still think that Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.


Actually, I had thought that my list was a relatively good list. Now, you may look at the idea that I had also mentioned the induction of Radiohead as a possibility.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/29/2018 @ 09:16am


richie, Ben, Timothy, Philip and The Dude,

Unlike many of you, I had not been surprised by the inductees list. Here is proof:

Not quite four weeks ago, I had written this:

It is now December and in slightly less than 2 weeks, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five, (Roxy Music, Radiohead, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk and The Zombies) Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

By the way, I still think that Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.


Actually, I had thought that my list had been a relatively good list. Now, you may look at the idea that I had also mentioned the induction of Radiohead as a possibility. Which technically means that I had predicted six out of the 7 inductees correctly. My only mistake had been the idea that John Prine would join this class. Overall, I had thought that 5 out of the 7 Inductees had deserved their inductions. Also, I absolutely agree with almost everything that Eric Tompkins had written about Janet Jackson.

Donnie,
I do not hate Janet Jackson with a fiery passion, since I actually do not dislike her acting ability. In fact, I think that she would have become a great actress, if she had been allowed to pursue that direction. However, the music that she had supposedly co-created and her sexually provocative image does not resonate with me in any manner whatsoever. I have never been either a young teenage girl, nor a young gay man. Nor did I have the distinct disadvantage of being brainwashed into liking her musical output, like many of your generation unfortunately have been.

So nothing is absolute, however I had not been surprised by the Roxy Music induction at all.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/29/2018 @ 09:38am


@ Enig

I’m expecting the Class of 2020 to look like this:

Motley Crue
Cher
Notorious BIG
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Rage Against The Machine

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 12/29/2018 @ 10:50am


In a nutshell, I want Depeche Mode in above all others. I like Richie's ideas though. I'd have to think to post a 2020 class of who I want vs who'd go in, but it's a bit premature at this point. Trends point to Motley Crue being a strong possibility though. Maybe the last hair band that gets a sniff.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 12/29/2018 @ 12:42pm


"So, rather than dwelling on the past, let’s move forward with 6 possible 2020 inductees."--Enig

No, let's not do that yet. It's still 2018, let's not start talking 2020 yet. Like I said last year, enjoy the presents you got this year a bit more before you start filling out your Christmas list for next year. Oy vey.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12/29/2018 @ 22:18pm


Philip,

I certainly hope that you were not being figurative. I did not receive any Christmas presents this year, since I no longer celebrate any holidays. In 35 days, I will turn 57 years old. In a way that is quite a sobering thought. I have only started to realize that in slightly more than 3 years, I will be 60 years old. With only two days left in the year 2018, I am definitely looking forward to 2019, instead. Hopefully, 2019 will be a much better year than 2018 had been. In 49 days, I will celebrate the 40th anniversary of my introduction to the music of Rush and hopefully prior to the end of next year, I will be able to finally acknowledge that those previously mentioned artists (Duran Duran, Jethro Tull, Procol Harum, Sade, Carly Simon, etc.) which I have been supporting for many years, will finally be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Over thirty years ago, I had experienced my last “proper” vacation. Some individuals have asked me, “Will you visit the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame in Cleveland, Ohio this year?” I am not really certain how to respond to that at this time.

Posted by akdxmy@hotmail.com on Sunday, 12/30/2018 @ 12:39pm


Philip,

I certainly hope that you were being figurative. I did not receive any Christmas presents this year, since I no longer celebrate any holidays. In 35 days, I will turn 57 years old. In a way that is quite a sobering thought. I have only started to realize that in slightly more than 3 years, I will be 60 years old. With only two days left in the year 2018, I am definitely looking forward to 2019, instead. Hopefully, 2019 will be a much better year than 2018 had been. In 49 days, I will celebrate the 40th anniversary of my introduction to the music of Rush and hopefully prior to the end of next year, I will be able to finally acknowledge that those previously mentioned artists (Duran Duran, Jethro Tull, Procol Harum, Sade, Carly Simon, etc.) which I have been supporting for many years, will finally be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Over thirty years ago, I had experienced my last “proper” vacation. Some individuals have asked me, “Will you visit the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame in Cleveland, Ohio this year?” I am not really certain how to respond to that at this time. I have not been outside of the state of Arizona for over 29 years and the sheer idea of taking a vacation terrifies me. ;-P

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/30/2018 @ 12:51pm


Radiohead,The Cure, Roxy Music, & The Zombies are the most deserving acts this year. Also Stevie Nicks, Janet Jackson & Def Leppard are deserving as well. Possible Presenters: Billy Corgan, The Edge, Michael Stipe, Paul Weller, Beyonce, Don Henley & Slash.

Posted by Navonte on Monday, 12/31/2018 @ 09:13am


Here's a quick KING 16 Nominees for the 2019-2020 Cycle. I have plenty of time to add or change groups in August 2019.
1. Nine Inch Nails 11. Dr. Hook
2. Depeche Mode. 12. T-Rex
3. Procol Harum. 13. Rage ATM
4. Chaka Khan/Rufus 14. The Eurythmics
5. Alice In Chains. 15.Judas Priest
6. Bad Company. 16. Pat Benatar
7. Steve Winwood
8. Gloria Estefan/MSM
9. George Thorogood/Destroyers
10. Iron Maiden
I think I will add 4 for a perfect 20 Nominees when it's all said and done. I like Depeche Mode over Duran Duran. The Cure induction should help Depeche receive another nomination. Depeche Mode checks off most induction boxes. I think Chaka Khan will be given The Zombies treatment. Not much direct competition. I think Gloria Estefan could get some votes and maybe Pat Benatar. I have Iron Maiden and Judas Priest both nominated for now. They could go with either one. T-Rex should get the 70's slot. A critically acclaimed act who influenced plenty of the 70's British children who would start up groups. Right now, I have Alice In Chains over Soundgarden. They have a new album out and I like their discography with Dirt, SAP, Jar Of Flies better. Dr. Hook and Procol Harum are KING FAVS and I definitely want to see Procol Harum inducted. This should finally be the year for Paul Rodgers and Bad Company. They should be quickly inducted once placed on the ballot. In this 16, 8 of these groups have been nominated before. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 12/31/2018 @ 13:20pm


The death of Ray Sawyer today gives Dr. Hook another look too probably. Happy New Year everyone!

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 12/31/2018 @ 21:58pm


Out of the following artists who have either been nominated or considered for the Rock Hall:

Afrika Bambaataa
Ashford & Simpson
The Average White Band
The B-52's
Bad Brains
Bad Company
Barry White
Ben E. King
The Big Bopper
Big Brother & The Holding Company
Billy Preston
Black Flag
Blind Faith
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Blues Incorporated
The Blues Project
Bobby Brown
Boogie Down Productions
Boz Scaggs
Brook Benton
Canned Heat
Captain Beefheart
Carole King
Chaka Khan
The Chantels
Chic
Chubby Checker
Chuck Brown
Chuck Willis
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
The Commodores
Conway Twitty
Country Joe & The Fish
Crazy Horse
The Crystals
De La Soul
Delaney & Bonnie
Depeche Mode
Devo
Dick Dale
The Dominoes
Donny Hathaway
The Doobie Brothers
Doug Sahm
Dr. Hook
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Eric B. & Rakim
Esther Phillips
Eurythmics
Fela
Fishbone
The Five Keys
The Five Satins
The Flying Burrito Brothers
Freddy Cannon
The Gap Band
George Jones
Gil Scott-Heron
Grace Jones
Gram Parsons
The Harptones
Herman's Hermits
Hot Tuna
Huey "Piano" Smith & The Clowns
Iron Butterfly
Iron Maiden
Ivory Joe Hunter
The J. Geils Band
The J.B's
Jack Scott
The Jam
Jane's Addiction
The Jayhawks
Jethro Tull
Joe Cocker
Joe Tex
John Prine
Johnny Ace
Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'N' Roll Trio
Johnny Hallyday
Johnny Winter
Judas Priest
Judy Collins
Junior Parker
Junior Walker & The All-Stars
Junior Wells
Kate Bush
Keith Richards
Kraftwerk
The Last Poets
Lee Andrews & The Hearts
Lee Dorsey
Lesley Gore
Link Wray
Living Colour
LL Cool J
Los Lobos
Love
Lucinda Williams
Manfred Mann
The Marshall Tucker Band
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
MC5
The Meters
Mick Jagger
Mitch Ryder
The Monkees
Motorhead
Neil Sedaka
The Neville Brothers
New York Dolls
Nick Drake
Nine Inch Nails
Otis Rush
Pat Boone
Patsy Cline
Paul Anka
Peter Tosh
Pixies
Poco
Procol Harum
Rage Against The Machine
The Replacements
Rufus Thomas
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Ry Cooder
Sade
The Shangri-La's
Simple Minds
Sinead O'Connor
The Sir Douglas Quintet
Slim Harpo
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
Sonny & Cher
The Spencer Davis Group
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Steve Winwood
Sting
Sugarhill Gang
T. Rex
Teddy Pendergras
Ten Years After
Three Dog Night
Tim Hardin
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
Tommy James & The Shondells
Treacherous Three
The Turtles
War
Whitney Houston
X

Which ones do you guys see being nominated or re-nominated again for the Rock Hall either for next year or at some point in the future?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 01/2/2019 @ 22:24pm


@ Richie

Tom Morrello once said he considered Alice In Chains and Soundgarden for the Hall. With Roxy Music now in, I could see the New York Dolls get another nomination. Cher will be the next female inductee.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/2/2019 @ 23:55pm


To the guy who said Aerosmith are minor compared to Rush:

Aerosmith are ranked in tier 3 in the Pyramid, Rush are in Tier 2.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 03:47am


King,

I like your list Generally speaking. I agree with Procol Harum,Chaka Khan, Alice In Chains, Steve Winwood and Judas Priest. Following Janet Jackson as an inductee Gloria Estefan is certainly possible even though I don't like. I am NOT a Big Pop person. Happy New Year.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 11:24am


Hey FRL Regulars,

May I ask you guys a few questions:

1) I know it's really early, but who do you guys see being nominated for the 2020 class?.

2) after Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey, Bon Jovi and Def Leppard. who do you guys see being the next fan vote winner for 2020?.

3) out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for the 2020 class?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 11:34am


King,

I also agree with Bad Company, Dr. Hook, T.Rex, Rage Against TM and Pat Benatar. When I say I agree I mean I see their importance and agree they should be inducted in the Next few years. I am Not making any 2020 Prediction list for a long while. 2019 Just started. But its a Good list.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 12:17pm


@ Richie

For your first question, I’m expecting the nominees to look like this:

Cher
Motley Crue
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
Duran Duran
B-52’s
Jethro Tull
John Prine
New York Dolls
Notorious BIG
War
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
Todd Rundgren
Beck

For your second question, the Crue would easily win the fan vote. As for the third, maybe Todd would make it if seven or nine is the new norm for the Hall annually.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 12:57pm


1.) Nominees for the 2020 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

01. Willie Nelson
02. Dionne Warwick
03. Jan & Dean
04. The Monkees
05. Foreigner
06. The Doobie Brothers
07. Jethro Tull
08. King Crimson
09. Rufus
10. The Meters
11. Todd Rundgren
12. Bad Company
13. Joe Cocker
14. Phil Collins
15. Rage Against The Machine

2.) Foreigner will win the FAN VOTE

3.) Todd Rundgren will be inducted

If 19 nominees

16. Warren Zevon
17. Whitney Houston
18. Nine Inch Nails
19. Soundgarden

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 14:25pm


richie,

I looked at your list. It is an extensive list of artists either nominated or considered. I think The B52s,Captain Beefheart,Devo, Emerson,Lake and Palmer, Judas Priest, Kate Bush, Procol Harum and the Smiths are all possible. Carole King has good possibility after the failure of John Prine. I still say that J Prine had support but nothing like Carole King for Singer/Songwriter.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 19:39pm


I personally don't think John Prine will get another nomination through conventional channels, although he probably will get in at some point as a songwriter. As I've said, it's too early I feel for a prediction for next year, but Depeche Mode is one of my must haves for induction...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 20:46pm


K-Dawg

no one died and made Jann Winer and corporate cronies boss. If you look at early rock and roll legends and what they say, it makes these goons out to be a bunch of liars.

Almost from the get so there issues with the nom com. they and anybody that falls for their propaganda are the detractors and naysayers

The majority think they are self serving morons.

By the way you are very ignorant if you think there are only some complaints, but some people want to live in their own delusional world.

If you are black like Ray Charles you are put in as a performer. If you are white like Pete Seeger you are put in as early influence even though it should have been reversed.

Look up Atlantic Records and how many of their artists have been nominated and several forced in.

The pyramid is a joke, Your best of the 70's is a cesspool. It is not your hall so stop with garbage. you do not even know the artist relevant songs. One person said that a song was picked because it was the only one the kids know. REO is missing about 6 important songs. you kids can not even get off your lazy buts to look it up.

if you google John Prine you might be surprised how often boo boo Brucie comes. Then you read 2 Steve Earle interviews. Something funny is going on. It looks a lot like somebody is trying to use John Prine's rep to make boo boo Brucie look more important,

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/randy-bachman-rock-hall-snub/

In fact, Bachman wonders if there might be some anti-Great White North prejudice at play. "Why, because we're Canadians? What is the bias against us, you know? My 'American Woman' guitar has been on display in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland for the last three years. They just renewed it for another three years, because people want to see it -- that's the guitar that made the sound of 'American Woman.'

House of Pei is coming down.

detractors and naysayers denying the changes happening to the Hall. that does not make all music rock and roll.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 22:57pm


About John Prine akids too lazy to get off their behinds and look up what inductee went to the Old Town School of Music.

Roger McGuinn of the Byrds

Funny thing is I get the impression John Prine and especially Steve Goodman more important.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 23:04pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

Who do you guys think will be the next Rap/Hip-Hop artist inducted into the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/3/2019 @ 23:47pm


I think Biggie Smalls, aka The Notorious B.I.G., is old enough starting right now. His old rival Tupac is in, and since they were responsible for the deaths of each other, I think a few people would be upset about Biggie not getting in immediately.

Of course, he's not as iconic as the man he killed/who killed him, but Biggie has merits.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/4/2019 @ 02:37am


I think Biggie Smalls, aka The Notorious B.I.G., is old enough starting right now. His old rival Tupac is in, and since they were responsible for the deaths of each other, I think a few people would be upset about Biggie not getting in immediately.

Of course, he's not as iconic as the man he killed/who killed him, but Biggie has merits.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/4/2019 @ 02:37am


If one happens this year, it's one of 4...Biggie seems to have the early momentum, LL Cool J will garner some attention. Outkast is probably a favorite in a couple years. Snoop is the dark horse, and would complete my Cali rap I grew up with; at least until Eminem becomes eligible. If someone this year, I think Biggie. Next year? We can't discount Mr. S. Carter (Jay Z) either....

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 01/4/2019 @ 02:55am


Outkast

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 01/4/2019 @ 06:54am


Biggie will be next. Once Jay-Z becomes eligible next year and gets inducted right off the bat, am I the only guy who thinks he’ll be on the Nom Com as a advocate for his peers and influences?

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/4/2019 @ 09:19am


Hey FRL Regulars,

Several sources (including three Rock Hall voters) have revealed that Kraftwerk, who earned only a couple more votes than Janet Jackson. were supposed to be inducted into the Rock Hall this year instead of Janet. However, the Rock Hall feared that there would be a backlash by inducting an all-white list, So, Kraftwerk were deleted and Janet was put in instead, Kraftwerk received the votes, but were deleted in order to make room for Janet and Janet was inducted at the last minute in fear of a racial backlash.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/6/2019 @ 13:25pm


richie,

Those are very astute observations. Thank you for posting them.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 01/6/2019 @ 13:52pm


@ richie

Well, that was disappointing. I’ve got nothing against Janet and she belongs in the Hall, but if they added Kraftwerk for an eighth spot, they wouldn’t have worry about any possible negative reactions.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 01/6/2019 @ 14:01pm


It confirms Casper's observation that first a page for Kraftwerk was created and then later removed. But I would like to know who these sources are, and how reliable they are, before I'm convinced. I mean, I doubt if a Rock Hall Voter has any inside information in this sort of matter, considering that there are approx 1,000 voters. Do you have names?

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 01/6/2019 @ 14:02pm


richie,

I was thinking a about who will be the next Singer/Songwriter inducted. I am dropping my Hope for John Prine. There was some support but Not enough. I am thinking It could be Carole King. She has a lot of support. There is also Judy Collins to commnsider. I predicted Judy Collins this for this year.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 01/6/2019 @ 17:51pm


Echoing The Dude's thoughts, no one would have objected to a class of eight, even from a ballot of 15. If the votes were that close, just freggin' do it.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 01/6/2019 @ 17:59pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

Several sources (including three Rock Hall voters) have revealed that Kraftwerk, who earned only a couple more votes than Janet Jackson. were supposed to be inducted into the Rock Hall this year instead of Janet. However, the Rock Hall feared that there would be a backlash by inducting an all-white list, So, Kraftwerk were deleted and Janet was put in instead, Kraftwerk received the votes, but were deleted in order to make room for Janet and Janet was inducted at the last minute in fear of a racial backlash.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01.6.19 @ 13:25pm

Where are your links? Who contacted you?

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 01/6/2019 @ 21:01pm


If the statements made concerning Kraftwerk would happen to have some truth to them, would that mean that they would more than likely get an automatic re-nomination for next years class? And quite possibly be highly considered for a slot for induction? I would think that it should be deserved, if they had happened to get bumped out of this year.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 01/6/2019 @ 23:48pm


This is potentially a bombshell. If this is true, and it is confirmed, the credibility of the RRHOF voters, already arguably tedious at best, is completely compromised. Zuzu may get her wish...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 01/7/2019 @ 00:42am


I saw this being talked about on Twitter a few weeks ago. Some sketchy, anonymous account shared a factually incorrect article written by an anonymous author on medium.com. Here’s the link to it. https://medium.com/@rocklegendsscam/janet-rock-hall-of-fame-kraftwerk-801cafb26021

Posted by Twisted Elegance on Monday, 01/7/2019 @ 01:06am


There is no proof of this. Richie must've read that Medium article. Stop it guys. Stop it.

Posted by Timothy on Monday, 01/7/2019 @ 01:41am


I posted on that dumb article's page. I firmly believe the website mistake was an error on the part of the tech team and not a rig for Janet Jackson.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 01/7/2019 @ 02:26am


The HOF has done no favors to their creditibility with the past controversy over Grandmaster Flash vs Dave Clark. Add in the other easily visible conflict of interest violations over the years, and they have left themselves very vulnerable to virtually any conspiracy theories even if they originate from some sketchy and unsourced internet "news".

When that situation occurred with the Dave Clark 5 being set aside for Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five; they made sure to induct the Dave Clark 5 the next year. It will be pretty interesting to see if they make sure Kraftwerk goes in next year.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 01/9/2019 @ 12:33pm


So, it's official - no Radiohead performance at the Ceremony since Thom Yorke will not be attending.

I assume they will just go without any musical performance at all, as happened with Dire Straits last year and for other acts like NWA and Kiss who decided not to play; rather than a tribute performance, as they did for Genesis, when that band did not play for their induction (Phish did the tribute performance).

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 01/9/2019 @ 12:38pm


Shrek,

I thought about the DC5 immediately too, but there's one subtle difference between the two, at least so far. The Hall actually commented on the GF&TF5 vs. DC5 by stating that the ballots that gave the DC5 the edge were received too late. So far, there's been absolutely no dignifying this hack accusation with a response.

I'm inclined to agree with Casper that the web people made a goof. The Hall's website has had problems being maintained properly (at one time they had Charlie Christian listed as a Performer inductee, for crying out loud), and since Janet Jackson and Kraftwerk were next to each other alphabetically on the nominees list (if you list properly, and not by first names, otherwise it's "John Prine" between them), it's very reasonable that someone wasn't paying attention where they were clicking when trying to write the web pages.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/9/2019 @ 12:51pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

Assuming five-seven acts per class and ten more years, Which acts do you guys see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next ten years (2020- 2029)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 01/9/2019 @ 14:33pm


@ Riche

That’s an interesting and tough question to answer, but I’ll give it a shot long as I could. I’m going with five or six per year, since I’m not really sure if seven is the new norm. And with Janet Jackson now in, I’m expecting the Hall to induct the more of the most universal female snubs.

2020: Motley Crue, Cher, Duran Duran, Jethro Tull, Rage Against The Machine, and Notorious BIG

2021: Foreignor, ELP, Depeche Mode, Foo Fighters, Tina Turner, and Jay-Z

2022: Boston, Procol Harum, INXS, Bad Company, Whitney Houston, and Eminem

2023: The Monkees, King Crimson, B-52’s, Judas Priest, Coldplay, and Mariah Carey

2024: Iron Maiden, Sade, Eurythmics, Dave Matthews Band, and Barbra Streisand

2025: Scorpions, Tears For Fears, Nine Inch Nails, Jane’s Addiction, Celine Dion, and The White Sripes

2026: Megadeth, Devo, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Linkin Park and Olivia Newton-John

2027: Ronnie James Dio, Joy Division/New Order, Stone Temple Pilots, Smashing Pumpkins, and Shania Twain

2028: Pantera, Pat Benatar, The Smiths, The Offspring, Tool, and Beyoncé (Her first release was a single for the soundtrack of the third Austin Powers movie, which came out in 2002)

2029: Blue Oyster Cult, Korn, Blink-182, Sublime, Kanye West, and Amy Winehouse

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/9/2019 @ 15:22pm


*Stripes

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/9/2019 @ 16:03pm


I do see a return of seven inductees a year. It's a faster process and this will enable the Hall to salvage their reputation. Inducting 7 worthy artists this year was the step in the right direction and I hope for more of that next year.

Posted by Timothy on Wednesday, 01/9/2019 @ 19:53pm


Timothy,

Assuming five-seven acts per class and ten more years, Which acts do you see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next ten years (2020-2029)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 01/9/2019 @ 20:42pm


Timothy,

It's great seeing you on this Inductee Forum. I don't think came here right away. I haven't seen any posts of yours until this week. Well look at that Both Janet J. and Stevie Nicks made it and so did Def Leppard. We know who all the 2019 Inductees are. There is no need for me to re list them. I figure you are surprised by the Cure and Radiohead. I know something about the Cure but very little about Radiohead.

One of your first posts of yours I saw on this forum is about seven inductees. I do agree. I do see a return of seven inductees. It's a great idea. I only go as far as predicting the amount of inductees. No 2020 predictions from me. I don't know how you feel about it. But I do want to discuss songs performed.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 06:32am


Timothy,

What are your Thoughts on the actual 2019 Inductees? I know you are Cool with Def Leppard, Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks. Also the Zombies I think you are cool with. Let me know your Full thoughts. This class is Ok. But Not as good as last year's. Coming after the amazing Induction of the Moody Blues last year along with The Cars and the Others this one is NOT quite as exciting. There is Def Leppard and the Zombies with Janet Jackson for some diversity.

The Cure make sense even though I was never a Fan of their music.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 08:33am


richie,

I do NOT like predicting Inductees so way in advance. But I did share With a prediction list for 2020. It is a quick superficial list Subject to at least 4 changes. Here it is. 2020.

Doobie Brothers
Duran Duran
Foreigner
Jethro Tull
Kraftwerk
Rage Against the Machine
Tina Turner

It differs from Enig's in that I include Kraftwerk and Rage Against TM. These 2 have a good chance after being nominated this year. There is this Rumor that Kraftwerk were bumped off 2019 Class. That may mean a Kraftwerk Induction next year. I dont like Kraftwerk. They have an annoying sound IMO but there is a lot of support. I can definitely see such acts as Doobie Brothers and Jethro Tull inducted in 2020.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 10:01am


If I revisit the Singles Category, I’d replace with Link Wray’s “Rumble” and Procol Harum’s “A Whiter Shade of Pale” with songs by actual one/two-hit wonders.

The Trashman - “Surfin Bird”
The Troggs - “Wild Thing”
Jackie Breston & The Delta Cats - “Rocket 88"
Steppenwolf - “Born to Be Wild"
The Kingsmen - “Louie Louie”
Chubby Checker - "The Twist"

Even though we don’t know the next six singles, as long they don’t add “Kick Out The Jams.”

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 10:11am


https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-2019.html

SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR CRITIQUES THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01/12/2019 @ 22:03pm


https://www.songhall.org/news/view/songwriters_hall_of_fame_announces_2019_inductees

Songwriters Hall Of Fame Announces 2019 Inductees

John Prine * Cat Stevens * Tom T. Hall *
Jack Tempchin * Dallas Austin * Missy Elliott

Thursday, June 13th at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01/12/2019 @ 22:20pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

I know it's really early, but which acts do you guys see being nominated for the 2020 Rock Hall class?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/13/2019 @ 17:30pm


richie,

I am definitely Not ready for predicting nominees to the 2020 Rock Hall class. I did list Inductees for 2020. That was just for fun. That list will change 4 times especially since no 2020 nominees will be announced for about 9 months.

I can tell you a few that I may predict for 2020.
Beck
Kate Bush
Doobie Brothers
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Kraftwerk
Rage Against the Machine
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
Foreigner

This is as far as I go. I listed 9 predictions.At this point I will deal with the upcoming Ceremony for 2019.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01/14/2019 @ 05:28am


Hey FRL Regulars,

May I ask you guys a couple of questions:

1.) Which Classic Rock acts do you guys see being nominated for the 2020 class?.

2.) Which 80's/90's New Wave/Alternative acts do you guys see being nominated for the 2020 class?.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 01/15/2019 @ 18:31pm


I see any of the following classic rock and new wave/alternative acts being nominated.

Bad Company
The Doobie Brothers
Foreigner
Jethro Tull
The Smiths
Eurythmics
B-52's
Joy Division/New Order
T.Rex

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 01/15/2019 @ 18:41pm


I feel like they purposely avoided the first two on your list like a plague even though both clearly had a lot of momentum going into the recent nomination meeting. Bad Company and The Doobie Brothers are both a 100% lock to get in if they're nominated, hence why the committee is wary of letting them onto the ballot and the induction expense of everybody else.

I don't see how a joint nomination of Joy Division/New Order doesn't get both those artists inducted right away. If Roxy Music could do it, they certainly will.

T. Rex would probably get in fairly easily too, but I could be wrong.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 01/15/2019 @ 22:21pm


If nothing else, it's been proven that the RRHOF voters are desperate to get in big names from rock. We are to the point where Paul Rodgers needs to be included somehow. It's a joke he hasn't gone in yet, and BC is a more than deserving group. They may get lumped around as a "supergroup", but they had the staying power and talent to make it work. They really should've been in 10 years ago at least.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 03:58am


There seems to be a trend towards nominating new wave/alternative act being nominated. The Smiths, Eurythmics and B52s all have possibility. I have knowledge of these 3 acts and I also think Duran Duran and Tears for Fears could be nominated. I think they will skip on Devo. They were tried this year. As far as I know there was a lack of support.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 05:54am


@ Ben

With the Cars and the Cure now in, I’m expecting ONE new wave/80’s alternative band to get inducted yearly.

2020: Duran Duran
2021: Depeche Mode
2022: INXS
2023: B-52’s
2024: Tears For Fears
2025: Eurythmics
2026: Devo
2027: Joy Division/New Order
2028: The Smiths
2029: The Replacements

Whaddya think?

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 11:12am


The Dude,

Those predictions are rather accurate. The Cars and the Cure broke the ice for more New Wave/80s alternative acts. Joy Division/New Order will be a tough one. But by 2027 the Voting body may be more modernized. There will be more Veteran Rockers that pass away by then. So it is possible. I don't know them too well myself. Duran Duran could be inducted soon

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 14:55pm


Yeah, Duran Duran has a very nice path to be inducted given that Roxy Music, The Cars and The Cure all got in over the last couple years.


Snubbed Artists That Are Rock Hall Revisited/Projected Inductees That Will Be Major Contenders In The Next Few Years:

Alice In Chains
Bad Company
Beck
Big Star
Bjork
The Buzzcocks
Dave Matthews Band
Depeche Mode
Devo
Duran Duran
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Gram Parsons
Harry Nilsson
Iron Maiden
Jethro Tull
Jim Croce
Joy Division/New Order
King Crimson
LL Cool J
MC5
The Monkees
New York Dolls
Nine Inch Nails
Outkast
Pixies
Rage Against The Macine
The Replacements
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
Soundgarden
T. Rex
Thin Lizzy
Warren Zevon



That does not mean that each of these has AMAZING chances if they're on the ballot, but it's easy to conceive of any of them getting in given both who has been inducted in recent years and the potential for another class of 7 names.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 17:40pm


The Dude, everything you listed will eventually get in except INXS and Tears For Fears. Their discographies are just too short in terms of top-notch material to lead to an induction in my opinion. I have no doubt that the rest are inducted over the coming decades (a lot of them very soon, perhaps).

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 17:42pm


Casper,

Assuming five-seven acts per class, and ten more years, Which acts do you see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next ten years (2020-2029)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 20:06pm


It's hard anymore to say that anything is too short of a period of importance in order to make the Hall Of Fame, given that The Zombies made it in on the strength of two albums that weren't even successful. No offense to fans of The Zombies meant, they just are a classic example now that long term influence matters more than commercial success or career longevity.

INXS is probably deeper than you think in material. From a strictly US focused commercial point of view they have three multi-platinum studio albums, two Platinum ones, and a Gold one. Ten top 40 pop hits, 7 in the Top 10, 20 songs that were top 40 on the Rock radio charts. That's well ahead of many bands already in the Hall Of Fame. They released ten studio albums overall while Michael Hutchence was alive.

The problem with INXS for me is that while Michael Hutchence was one of the most recognizable iconic stars of his era, he tended to wear his Jim Morrison influence firmly on his sleeve. so I think he wound up having little long term influence, because everybody really that liked him can just goes back to the same source influence. Who has INXS influenced? Maroon5... maybe?

Tears For Fears peak certainly seems pretty short. They only had three albums before it devolved into a solo project. The first was a hit in the UK as part of the synthpop boom, but didn't really go much beyond that.

Their sound reinvention for their second one was massive worldwide, but another reinvention on their third, while still overall a success, failed to maintain that same momentum. By their fourth, they were down to a solo project as I mentioned, but that album produced one minor hit.

Overall US accomplishments: 7 top forty pop hits, two of which were #1 songs.

They were massive in 1985 - 1986, one of the biggest bands in the whole world during that time. But the real question is whether they have any real long term legacy. Lorde did an interesting cover of their "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" a few years ago, so maybe their stock is on the rise?

I would see Tears For fears as a pretty major stretch. They don't quite have the era-changing impact of other bands with limited output like Nirvana, Sex Pistols, or Janis Joplin; and they don't seem to have the sort of long term musical influence of The Zombies or The Stooges.

INXS, I think has enough successful material to be at least considered on their own merits, but again I think the long term influence is limited.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 20:16pm


Richie, that's a real big ask, but certainly a lot from my list above along with no-brainer newly eligibles such as Notorious B.IG., White Stripes, Weezer (maybe not first ballot), Foo Fighters, Jay-Z, Kanye West, Beyonce.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 20:40pm


It's extremely hard to see how Depeche Mode would NOT get in the next time they are on the ballot. The voting body is clearly favorable and they clearly knock it out-of-the-park with their credentials.

I don't see how OutKast or Smashing Pumpkins fail to get in the first time they are nominated. The votes are TOTALLY there for both of those acts.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 20:42pm


BTW, I'm about 90% confident that Janet Jackson finished seventh in the voting this year. If you were going to expand to seven inductees, it would just make sense to be doing so in order to get in a big name who is also a black female Performer.

Think about it, would the institution have really been nudged into "We should have seven inductees this year in order to ensure Roxy Music gets in?"...no way.

Just worth pointing out as far as future predictions go. Janet is basically the only recent black artist to not be inducted right away when she hit the ballot for the first time. And who really knows if the "seven inductees" is just a one time thing or if they'll go with "generally seven" by having one or two of those be big name Musical Excellence inductees such as Todd Rundgren.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 20:48pm


My 10% doubt stems entirely from the possibility that they could have just thought, "You know what, let's have seven inductees no matter what"...but if that's not the case, I'm positive the bar was "lowered" for Janet Jackson.

Even though she absolutely deserves it and the Hall of Fame letting in only five (or six) names as Performers each year is a complete disgrace.

Oh and Kraftwerk should totally be added to the above possibilities. I don't think they'd be sticking on the ballot so much if they weren't generating strong numbers year-to-year. Another class of seven could be enough to get them inducted.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 20:50pm


Shrek,

Which acts do you see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next ten years (2020-2029)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 21:23pm


The 2019 Canadian Music Hall Of Fame

Corey Hart
Duff Roman

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01/16/2019 @ 22:38pm


@ Casper, You recently posted a list of 20 or so artists you feel will be nominated soon, but unless you include Eurythmics or the Pixies, you have no female artists listed at all. No Pat Benatar, no Tina Turner, the Go-Go's, B-52's, Rufus/Chaka Khan, all with possible potential. I think you have 12 or so strong candidates there, Bad Co., Doobies, Tull, Depeche Mode, the Smiths, T. Rex, Pumpkins, AIC(in a few years), Maiden, Big Star, Zevon, Beck, Outkast, L.L., and (I wish), the Buzzcocks. You must include some of the female artists, as you should see at least one per year being selected. Also, I feel you are wrong about INXS, they could get nominated this year. They were just Huge for about a 5 year period, similar to the impact of Duran Duran. The Dude feels as strongly about them(D.D.), probably more so, as I do about The Scorpions, who I think could very well get a nomination for next year..

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 01/18/2019 @ 00:01am


Will N.,

Assuming five-seven acts per class, and ten more years, Which acts do you see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next ten years (2020-2029)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/18/2019 @ 00:38am


Correction: I believe I was thinking of Enig, when I made a mention of who was the huge fan of Duran Duran, getting a nomination, but I stated The Dude, in error. Regardless, there has to be at least 30 or so, well deserved artists, that could get possibly nominated for next years class. But for now I am going to enjoy seeing this years class getting inducted. It should be great!..

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 01/18/2019 @ 00:53am


Richie, Wow, that is a very tall order, and I am not sure if I can look that far ahead, at this point. For induction? Say the next 3 years, @ 6 per class, I am still big on Pat Benatar, also Depeche Mode, Bad Company, Doobie Brothers, LL Cool J, Kraftwerk, and maybe Rage ATM or Beck for next year. After that Tina Turner needs to be considered, Jethro Tull, Steppenwolf, T. Rex, Duran Duran, Scorpions, Iron Maiden or Smashing Pumpkins for 2021. For 2022, will go with Judas Priest, the B-52's, King Crimson, the Smiths, the Go-Go's, the Commodores or Kool and the Gang, and maybe Warren Zevon. I think it basically becomes a crapshoot to try and figure who will get nominated, because of the size of the pool to choose from, and so many deserving. I forgot INXS, and I'm not sure when the Foo Fighters or Outkast are eligible, they will probably get nominated. It's cool to project, but it seems difficult to jump ahead too much, IMO.

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 01/18/2019 @ 01:31am


I'm interested to know what the 2019 Singles Inductees will be. Here's a few that it could be my guess.
1. Tommy James & Shondells-Crimson & Clover.
2. The Association-Cherish or Windy.
3. Ben E. King-Stand By Me.
4. The Marvelettes-Mr. Postman
5. The Byrds-Turn! Turn! Turn!
6. Peter, Paul & Mary- Leavin' On A Jet Plane.
7. The Youngbloods-Get Together
8. Patsy Cline-Crazy
FRL Regulars-What are some Singles you think might be inducted?! KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 01/18/2019 @ 09:19am


Casper,

Similar to Will N. I think you have at least 10 or so strong candidates there,Bad Co, Doobies, Jethro Tull, the Smiths,T. Rex,Smashing Pumpkins,AIC,Iron Maiden,Warren Zevon and Beck. Those have a real good chance to at least be nominated in the next few years.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/18/2019 @ 09:26am


Casper said, "I don't see how OutKast or Smashing Pumpkins fail to get in the first time they are nominated. The votes are TOTALLY there for both of those acts."

Billy Corgan is not particularly well liked; he's apparently a difficult person to work with. Also he is a vocal fan of and regular guest of right-wing talk show host Alex Jones, which likely puts him in bad position with the many liberal voters on the HOF voting panel.

As far as OutKast, it's hard to fully gauge the voting patterns for Hip Hop; but overall they have been pretty picky with their choices. Public Enemy, Run DMC, and Tupac were all inducted on first nominations, but Beastie Boys needed three, and LL Cool J keeps getting snubbed. Grandmaster Flash needed three nominations and there was controversy over their selection when they did get in. Anyway, I'm not sure any Hip Hop except for Jay-Z are really shoo-ins for induction on their first nomination. Maybe Eminem, but he has made some fairly controversial songs, and usually the more controversy focused acts take several nominations to get through.

OutKast isn't controversial, but I'm just not sure they have maintained enough of an ongoing public name recognition since they broke up - a lot of the older voters likely won't have any idea who they are, unless they happen to be fans of "Hey Ya!" (and really, who *isn't*?). And even if they know the name, they likely don't know how big the group was during their peak.

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 01/18/2019 @ 12:20pm


Shrek,

Which acts do you see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next ten years (2020-2029)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/18/2019 @ 12:28pm


I am ready to start predicting songs sets for the 2019 Ceremony. It will take place March 14th.
I wont's predict the order of the acts. Except that I think Def Leppard will possibly open the show. I'll start with Def Leppard. Yje rest no idea on order.

Def Leppard- Photograph, Love Bites,Armageddonit,Pour Some Sugar on Me

The Cure-Friday I'm in Love, Love Song, In Between Days

Janet Jackson-Nasty, Escapade, Black Cat

Stevie Nicks-Stop Dragging My Heart Around, Stand Back, Edge of Seventeen

Radiohead-Not Performing

Roxy Music-Avalon,Love is the Drug, More Than This

The Zombies-She's Not There,Tell Her No, Time of the Season

What do any of you think? The ceremony will come up before you know it.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 01/20/2019 @ 07:15am


The Dude,

Here are my predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next ten years (2020-2029):

2020: The Doobie Brothers, Duran Duran, Jethro Tull, Kraftwerk, The Notorious B.I.G., Rage Against The Machine and Tina Turner.

2021: Bad Company, Phil Collins, Depeche Mode, Foo Fighters, Foreigner, Whitney Houston and Jay-Z.

2022: Beck, Boston, Mariah Carey, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest and The Monkees.

2023: The B-52's, Pat Benatar, King Crimson, Iron Maiden, LL Cool J, Todd Rundgren and Soundgarden.

2024: Devo, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Jane's Addiction, MC5, Motorhead, Nine Inch Nails and The Smiths.

2025: Alice In Chains, Joy Division/New Order, Motley Crue, New York Dolls, The Replacements, Smashing Pumpkins and The White Stripes.

2026: A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Dave Matthews Band, Megadeth, Sade, Thin Lizzy and Tool.

2027: Blue Oyster Cult, Cher, INXS, Ozzy Osbourne, Scorpions, Stone Temple Pilots and Wu-Tang Clan.

2028: Anthrax, Blink-182, Billy Idol, The Offspring, Pantera, Snoop Dogg and Dionne Warwick.

2029: Beyoncé, Coldplay, Slayer and Kanye West.

As much as I love Barbra Streisand,
Asia, Tears For Fears, Celine Dion, UFO, Olivia Newton-John, Ronnie James Dio, Shania Twain, Gary Numan, Korn and Sublime. I just can't see any of them ever getting nominated for the Rock Hall (let alone being inducted).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/20/2019 @ 12:33pm


Richie.
I think Depeche Mode and The Eurythmics are more likely than Duran Duran for the 80's groups to be nominated in the 2019-2020 cycle. Duran Duran is a glaring omission to be sure but the Nom Com is in no hurry to nominate them. I like Depeche Mode's chances of nomination and induction. They check off many of the boxes Innovation, Influence, Longevity, etc. The Cure's Induction is great news to the 80's Alternative and like groups. The Eurythmics have a good chance because Annie Lennox is a wonderful singer and well-respected and Mr. Stewart is a musical genius. Lennox would be another woman deserving of RRHOF.
My guess Bad Company would earn a nomination this time around. Paul Rodgers is 1 of the biggest snubs of our time. He's usually 1 of the influential vocalists and FAV vocalists of other musicians. Many of the 70's Bands have been inducted. I like Bad Company's chances. T. REX interests me similar to Roxy Music. Incredible influence on the young 70's British children who later formed bands. They had more hits than Roxy Music. Bolan's tragic death around 30 years of age adds to his legend and myth. I'm waiting on Duran Duran for at least 1 cycle and will reassess in 2020. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 01/20/2019 @ 13:22pm


Richie, I read your 10 year prediction list, and I think you did a great job with your selections, as it obviously took a lot of time and effort to complete. I like how you diversify and represent the various genres and eras of music, which realistically compares to the voting committees selections. However, personally, I would hope that Pat Benatar and the Scorpions would be bumped up a few years. I also agree with King's predictions on Bad Company, Depeche Mode, and the possibilities of T. Rex and Eurythmics.. Good points, there.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 01/20/2019 @ 17:56pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

after Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey, Bon Jovi and Def Leppard. who do you guys see being the next fan vote winner for 2020?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/20/2019 @ 18:14pm


I think either Bad Company, Motley Crue, The Doobie Brothers or Pat Benatar if they're nominated.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 01/20/2019 @ 18:42pm


My picks for the fan vote win are Motley Crue, Doobie Bros, Iron Maiden, Blink 182, or Weezer if they get a nomination.

Posted by Jason Dagotto on Sunday, 01/20/2019 @ 19:42pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

Here's some possibilities for next year's nominees (I'm going with ones that have either been previously nominated or have been previously considered):

1970's/1980's Classic Rock Acts:

Bad Company
The Doobie Brothers
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Iron Maiden
The J. Geils Band
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Motorhead
T. Rex

Soul/R&B/Disco/Funk Acts:

The Average White Band
Barry White
Chaka Khan
The Commodores
Donny Hathaway
The Gap Band
The J.B's
Joe Tex
The Meters
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Sade
The Spinners
War
Whitney Houston

Rap Acts:

Afrika Bambaataa
De La Soul
Eric B. & Rakim
LL Cool J

Alternative/Punk/New Wave/Electronic Acts:

The B-52's
Bad Brains
Black Flag
Depeche Mode
Devo
Eurythmics
The Jam
Jane's Addiction
Kraftwerk
MC5
New York Dolls
Nine Inch Nails
Pixies
Rage Against The Machine
The Replacements
The Smiths
Sonic Youth

1950's/1960's Acts:

Ben E. King
Chubby Checker
Chuck Willis
The Crystals
Dick Dale
Iron Butterfly
Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'N' Roll Trio
Lesley Gore
Link Wray
Love
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
The Monkees
Procol Harum
The Shangri-La's
Steppenwolf
Tommy James & The Shondells
The Turtles

Singer-Songwriters/Solo Artists:

Carole King
Gram Parsons
Joe Cocker
John Prine
Kate Bush
Lucinda Williams
Sting
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren

Outside Genre/Left-Field Picks:

Captain Beefheart
Fela
George Jones
Gil Scott-Heron
Johnny Winter
Junior Parker
Los Lobos
Patsy Cline
Peter Tosh

Out of all the names I mentioned, Which ones do you guys see being nominated next year?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 00:18am


Richie, while I like many of your picks, I disagree about Korn. They are the progenitors of nu metal, which opens the door for much of the hard rock/metal music of the late 90s to early 2000s. I do acknowledge first, the RRHOF must get over its fear of metal not named Metallica, Black Sabbath or Led Zeppelin, however.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 01:20am


richie,

I have a contrasting opinion with KING, I still think that Duran Duran has a great chance of being nominated later this year and inducted in 2020.

Who will win the fan vote is much harder to predict, until we know exactly who the nominees will be.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 09:56am


"I do acknowledge first, the RRHOF must get over its fear of metal not named Metallica, Black Sabbath or Led Zeppelin, however."

- K-Dawg

Not only that, but also this fact: most metalheads are afraid of the Hall. They're notoriously protective when it comes to gate-keeping, which is why Judas Priest didn't had enough support to get inducted for the class of 2018 and how poorly represented it is over there simply because they don't want their favorite genre to be ruin. Read the comments at Blabbermouth and Metal Injection if ya don't believe me.

But Hopefully that should change in the next few years once Motley Crue, Jethro Tull, Foreigner, Boston, and Bad Company gets inducted.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 10:32am


They WON'T...

Posted by KXB on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 12:33pm


Foreigner will win the next fan vote!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 13:13pm


Listened to this podcast last night. They talked about how classic rock appeals to ALL GENERATIONS and the continuing influence on today’s culture, which still remains as the number one format on terrestrial radio - it’s also getting more ratings than before.

https://www.wpr.org/shows/jan-17-multi-generational-appeal-classic-rock

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 14:52pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

I'm going to list off all of the acts that have either been previously nominated or have been previously considered for the Rock Hall and they are:

Afrika Bambaataa
Ashford & Simpson
The Average White Band
The B-52's
Bad Brains
Bad Company
Barry White
Ben E. King
The Big Bopper
Big Brother & The Holding Company
Billy Preston
Black Flag
Blind Faith
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Blues Incorporated
The Blues Project
Bobby Brown
Boogie Down Productions
Boz Scaggs
Brook Benton
Canned Heat
Captain Beefheart
Carole King
Chaka Khan
The Chantels
Chic
Chubby Checker
Chuck Brown
Chuck Willis
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
The Commodores
Conway Twitty
Country Joe & The Fish
Crazy Horse
The Crystals
De La Soul
Delaney & Bonnie
Depeche Mode
Devo
Dick Dale
The Dominoes
Donny Hathaway
The Doobie Brothers
Doug Sahm
Dr. Hook
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Eric B. & Rakim
Esther Phillips
Eurythmics
Fela
Fishbone
The Five Keys
The Five Satins
The Flying Burrito Brothers
Freddy Cannon
The Gap Band
George Jones
Gil Scott-Heron
Grace Jones
Gram Parsons
The Harptones
Herman's Hermits
Hot Tuna
Huey "Piano" Smith & The Clowns
Iron Butterfly
Iron Maiden
Ivory Joe Hunter
The J. Geils Band
The J.B's
Jack Scott
The Jam
Jane's Addiction
The Jayhawks
Jethro Tull
Joe Cocker
Joe Tex
John Prine
Johnny Ace
Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'N' Roll Trio
Johnny Hallyday
Johnny Winter
Judas Priest
Judy Collins
Junior Parker
Junior Walker & The All-Stars
Junior Wells
Kate Bush
Keith Richards
Kraftwerk
The Last Poets
Lee Andrews & The Hearts
Lee Dorsey
Lesley Gore
Link Wray
Living Colour
LL Cool J
Los Lobos
Love
Lucinda Williams
Manfred Mann
The Marshall Tucker Band
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
MC5
The Meters
Mick Jagger
Mitch Ryder
The Monkees
Motorhead
Neil Sedaka
The Neville Brothers
New York Dolls
Nick Drake
Nine Inch Nails
Otis Rush
Pat Boone
Patsy Cline
Paul Anka
Peter Tosh
Pixies
Poco
Procol Harum
Rage Against The Machine
The Replacements
Rufus Thomas
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Ry Cooder
Sade
The Shangri-La's
Simple Minds
Sinead O'Connor
The Sir Douglas Quintet
Slim Harpo
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
Sonny & Cher
The Spencer Davis Group
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Steve Winwood
Sting
Sugarhill Gang
T. Rex
Teddy Pendergrass
Ten Years After
Three Dog Night
Tim Hardin
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
Tommy James & The Shondells
Treacherous Three
The Turtles
War
Whitney Houston
X

Out of all the names I mentioned, Which ones do you guys see being nominated for the Rock Hall or re-nominated again for the Rock Hall either for next year or at some point in the future?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 17:39pm


K-Dawg,
Those three bands aren't the only metal bands in the Hall.

While Black Sabbath and Metallica are the only 100% metal bands, several bands have enough elements in them that can be reasonably called metal if you stretch the definition enough. (Led Zeppelin, for example, were closer to a metal band in concert, and a few of their songs like Immigrant Song and The Rover are metal, but the band as a whole isn't)

Here's a few bands in the Hall that can be called metal:
Def Leppard
Bon Jovi
Aerosmith
KISS
Deep Purple
Van Halen
Alice Cooper

Lou Reed and Public Enemy have worked with metal bands, and The Beatles have one song that is arguably metal (though some might call it closer to punk, as both punk and metal bands have covered it), but that's about it.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 18:07pm


@ Follower

Black Sabbath and Metallica are so far the only metal bands in the Hall while the rest of them you’ve mentioned are hard rock, which is a different form of heavy music. As for the term “hair metal,” it was either used by the music industry to promote certain bands or as an insult to make fun/criticize.

Here’s a list of actual metal bands as an example:

Early Metal

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Motörhead

Thrash/Groove Metal

Slayer
Megadeth
Anthrax
Pantera
Lamb of God
Five Finger Death Punch

Death Metal

Death
Cannibal Corspe
Decide

Black Metal

Venom
Mayhem
Immortal

Power Metal

Iced Earth
Dragonforce
Manowar

Alternative/Nu Metal

Tool
Disturbed
Slipknot
Mudvayne

Metalcore

Killswitch Engage
Bullet For My Valentine
All That Remains

Sludge Metal

The Melvins
Down
Crowbar

Folk Metal

Skyclad
Cruachan

Prog Metal

Dream Theater
Queensrÿche

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 18:37pm


Do you recall the first sentence? The acts I listed are all metal if you stretch the definition enough. Except maybe Bon Jovi. I'm willing to take that back, (and the one Beatles song since it's debatable) but not the others. They were (or could be) just as loud and heavy as some of the bands you mentioned

(Also, can't believe I forgot about AC/DC and Guns N Roses! The latter especially is a metal band.)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 19:47pm


Do you recall the first sentence? The acts I listed are all metal if you stretch the definition enough. Except maybe Bon Jovi. I'm willing to take that back, (and the one Beatles song since it's debatable) but not the others. They were (or could be) just as loud and heavy as some of the bands you mentioned

(Also, can't believe I forgot about AC/DC and Guns N Roses! The latter especially is a metal band.)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 20:36pm


@ Follower

I pretty much did, but the way the I stretch the definition of metal was done more properly. If ya ask a regular metalhead that those bands you’ve listed are like Van Halen and Aerosmith, they’ll give ya a “eh, not really” kinda answer no matter how much they could like them. I know we all have our own opinions on aunthenticity musically, but a lot people get things wrong when it comes to classifications and I used certain terms more properly the best I could even though I’m not an elitist like many them are in the community.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 20:42pm


I forgot to bring this up when The_Claw nominated Boston in the metal/hard rock category last week, but there is a very strong case for it if you go by the historical definition of heavy metal and not the current one, considering the definition has changed and that ties into this argument.

I think the issue is that the definition of heavy metal changed with thrash, or at the very latest with grunge. It was retconned. In the '70s, I believe Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple were routinely listed right with Black Sabbath as the pioneers of metal (sure, you could make arguments for Kinks/Who/Blue Cheer/whatever before them.) Most of what we'd now list as hard rock or arena rock was routinely called metal in the '70s. The Stones were never considered metal I think because they were considered to predate it, but most of the hard rock acts after them were at the time, and one can argue that redefining metal to only mean Black Sabbath is actually historical revisionism.

For one, recall that the term came from a Steppenwolf song and they would be considered hard rock and not metal today. I own a Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock and Roll from the early '90s that does not abide by the current definitions. There is a Lester Bangs piece on the history of metal and he starts with Who/Yardbirds/Cream/Zeppelin/Hendrix, and also includes: Deep Purple, Aerosmith, Deep Purple, Alice Cooper, KISS, BTO, Grand Funk, MC5, Black Oak Arkansas, Cactus, ZZ Top, Velvet Underground, Stooges, and Blue Oyster Cult. Clearly, most would not be included by today's definitions, but they were considered such at the time by many.

This was clearly written in the early '80s right before Bangs died as he writes: "Heavy metal, mutant monster bad boy of Sixties rock, has at last gone middle-of-the-road respectable (especially in a plethora of faceless corporate bands with interchangeable one-word monickers like Triumph, Toto, Foreigner, Journey, etc., etc., etc.)

Bangs died right around the time of the breakout of the NWOBHM, but this shows what the definition of metal was considered right before it got redefined only to mean thrash and its progenitors, and almost all of the '70s bands we'd now call hard rock/arena rock/whatever, were included. Although he sneered at Foreigner and Journey, he did still consider them metal-derived.

The companion piece by Chuck Eddy (who is on the Voting Committee), "The Metal Explosion", has an even broader definition of metal as his definition of metal was anything that would have been considered metal at any period during metal's existence, from the '60s to today. He did consider the arena rock bands as metal. He saw almost all punk and early indie rock as metal and didn't really see the difference between any of those genres sonically (even arguing in his piece that metal had swallowed rock "whole", which I wouldn't agree with, but by his definitions...), with the only difference being how they were received and categorized by their audiences of fans and critics (like how he harshly criticized other critics in the past for generally liking Stooges and hating Sabbath because the Stooges were associated with a "smart" demographic while Sabbath was associated with a "dumb" one.) Eddy certainly went too far in his book "Stairway to Hell" trying to make arguments that things like Teena Marie and The Osmonds and .38 Special and Pat Benatar were metal (not to mention leaving Iron Maiden and Judas Priest out of the book entirely), but it's an interesting idea and not entirely worth dismissing, even if his tastes can be ridiculously contrarian (he always thought the most interesting metal was that which combined other genres, rather than being strictly conformist, and that's not a bad idea, even if some of his choices can be.) Eddy's definition seems to be more in the tradition of Bangs than the modern, very refined definition.

Also, when I was a Cornell student, I was digging through their stacks of old Cornell Daily Suns and saw some of their old music and concert reviews and there was one from 1979 where they labeled Boston as America's best metal group (pretty laughable, probably even on that time, but it does also show where contemporary thought was at at that time.) Piero Scaruffi still lists like Rush, Boston, and Journey as metal today. I think Rush has more of a case and maybe should be considered one of the inventors of prog-metal even though nobody would put them there anymore now that Rush would no longer be considered metal...

Indeed, I own a book called "The Top Ten of Everything" from 1996 that lists the 10 best selling metal albums in the US, and it lists: Boston, Appetite for Destruction, Bat Out of Hell, Led Zeppelin IV, Slippery When Wet, Hysteria, Pyromania, Escape, Back in Black, and Metallica. Nine out of ten of which would not be included today, and many probably wouldn't include The Black Album either. I think Zep, GNR, AC/DC, and Def Leppard probably still should count, while Boston, Journey, Meat Loaf, and Bon Jovi probably should not, but they were all classified that way until the grunge/thrash breakthroughs and occasionally even afterward... Hair metal was considered the face of metal to most Americans until Metallica's commercial breakthrough, and now most of it isn't considered metal at all, now that metal has been redefined.

DarinRG brought up a good point at the time when he mentioned how all the grunge bands were originally marketed on metal, appeared on Headbanger's Ball and the like, and there's a case for that too based on those old definitions. Besides Alice in Chains and Soundgarden being straight up metal bands, Nirvana was certainly influenced by most of the '70s bands that were considered metal at the time but now no longer are. Pearl Jam doesn't really fit (except that they did come out of Mother Love Bone, who probably would have been considered a metal band at the time), but the rest do.

Are the current definitions more meaningful than the original definitions? Yeah, probably.

Does that mean the original definitions have zero merit? I am not so sure... I didn't vote for Boston and Meat Loaf in that category but I understood it. Before the rise of thrash, they were widely considered as metal.

So when we consider the Hall's snubbing of metal, I think we probably have to consider this perspective. Most of the people still on the Voting Committee were musicians or critics from the '70s or earlier, when they had an older definition of metal that is now considered antiquated. They probably think they've done a fine job with metal recently inducting KISS, Rush, GnR, Metallica, Van Halen, Alice Cooper, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, etc... in recent years. All of which were at one point (and more recently than you'd think) considered metal, while most would not be today.

Yes, they have very badly snubbed bands by the current definition of metal, but most of those bands were not very commercially successful in the US except for Metallica, who was in. So really, it's like a parallel to the snubbing of alternative rock bands that did not go mainstream. Iron Maiden and Judas Priest and Motorhead would be exactly like Joy Division/New Order, The Smiths, and Kraftwerk in that all those bands are much more popular in Europe, where they were huge, while in North America, they were kind of fringe. Def Leppard gets in over the other NWoBHM bands because they broke commercially huge here, same with The Cure. Really when you look at it from this perspective (most of the people voting have a different definition of what metal is than most Gen-Xers/millennials do) everything begins to make a lot more sense...

And glam rock is being snubbed way more than metal anyway. I think T. Rex and New York Dolls are more overdue than most of the (later) metal bands anyway.

Posted by Sean on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 21:10pm


"The Beatles have one song that is arguably metal (though some might call it closer to punk, as both punk and metal bands have covered it), but that's about it."

I'm sure you're referencing "Helter Skelter", and I would say that is their most punk song, but I would actually say their most metal song (by today's definition) would be "I Want You (She's So Heavy)". Some people do call that one of the first doom metal songs.

Posted by Sean on Monday, 01/21/2019 @ 21:17pm


I appreciate all the feedback. I wasn't saying they were the only bands in the HOF that were metal exclusively, but they are the ones most commonly acknowledged. The point remains, that 60s and 70s harder stuff is largely in, and we're coming up on the 80s. Whereas bands like Def Leppard obviously are metal, they did tone down their sound in the 90s, going more for love ballads and less electric guitar. I also realize Metallica did much of the same. The time is now for Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, or other true to form metal bands who didn't "conform" in some people's eyes, to get some love and they belong in the hall. Motley Crue is a major favorite to continue the fan favorite hair bands, and arguably might be the last of the big 3 to get legitimate recognition, and honestly I believe they will be nominated, if not inducted, in the next 2 years

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 01/22/2019 @ 03:10am


As much as I love The Notorious B.I.G., The problem that I have with him is because that his career was so short and he's not quite the legendary pop culture icon as Tupac was, so because of that, I just don't think that he's a first-ballot Hall of Famer, so I really think that the Nominating Committee is going to stick with LL Cool J and give him one more nomination next year and LL will finally get in on his 6th try next year and become the 7th Rap/Hip-Hop act inducted into the Rock Hall following Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, Run-DMC, The Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, N.W.A and Tupac Shakur.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 01/22/2019 @ 11:36am


One thing I just remembered:

Judas Priest opened for REO Speedwagon once. It ties in to the discussion of the earlier definition of metal, and it shows that the musicians, to a certain degree, were more accepting of that label at the time.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/22/2019 @ 14:40pm


"I think the issue is that the definition of heavy metal changed with thrash, or at the very latest with grunge."

- Sean

I wouldn't say so, but you were close. The definition of metal began to be used more properly when Venom made their debut during the New Wave British Heavy Metal movement, which also marked the beginning of the first wave of Black Metal and that subgenre has been around a year or two before thrash.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/22/2019 @ 17:35pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for the 2020 class?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 01/23/2019 @ 18:25pm


I’m expecting the next class to look like this:

Cher
Motley Crue
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Rage Against The Machine
Notorious BIG

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/23/2019 @ 19:32pm


The Dude,

So, do you believe that the top finishers at the museum's kiosk won't even make the ballot in October, or that maybe they make the ballot but don't get in? Or do you think Motley Crue and Cher will top the kiosk votes?

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/23/2019 @ 19:58pm


Specifically from the nominees last year, I would imagine Todd Rundgren has the best chance since he's the most "classic rock".

Kraftwerk's odds probably went way up after The Cure, Def Leppard, and Roxy Music added many more British votes to the voting committee (although I doubt The Zombies would vote for them, but who knows?) It wouldn't surprise me to see Janet Jackson vote for them either given Kraftwerk's influence on dance music, so they'd be my second bet.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 01/23/2019 @ 22:12pm


Oh right, and Radiohead. Duh. Although if they don't want to go, there's a chance they wouldn't want to vote for it either...

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 01/23/2019 @ 22:13pm


@ Phil

Maybe Phil Collins will get nominated based on the results from the kiosk and inducted if seven is the new norm. But with Def Leppard, Stevie Nick and Janet Jackson now in, they’ve opened more doors for the Crue and Cher. Iron Maiden won’t be an easy one to induct at this point cause they barely get airplay on the radio and wouldn’t get enough support if nominated.

Also, there’s an upcoming Netflix movie about the Crue. As for Blink-182, I don’t think they’ll get in that soon cause they’re - along with almost all the other 90’s bands - not on a Green Day, Pearl Jam and Nirava level in terms of commercial success. Rage and Foo Fighters will be the only exceptions though cause the Hall wants one band in next year to take some shots at Trump for the next presidential campaign and other for 2021, so can give Dave Grohl another induction.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/23/2019 @ 22:41pm


*Nirvana

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/23/2019 @ 22:54pm


Hey there FRL regulars. I am surprised nobody responded to my post on Song sets. This is after all the Inductee Forum. I would think some of you look it over. It may have been overshadowed by the Heavy Metal chat. I am not in the know of Heavy Metal enough to participate. I do think Judas Priest should be next. I know a decent amount by that band as Well as Queensryche.

I want to focus on this year's ceremony and the song sets. Aside from Radiohead I would think the others perform. Def Leppard may open the way Bon Jovi opened last year.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/24/2019 @ 07:46am


Okay, where do we go from here? From my particular perspective five out of the seven 2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees had definitely deserved this honor. Overall, I have been able to appreciate the fact that Stevie Nicks, Roxy Music and the Zombies have made the list. I had also voted for The Cure and Radiohead multiple times. Unfortunately, Kraftwerk has not yet been inducted and I still believe that Todd Rundgren should have been given the award for Musical Excellence.

Stevie Nicks’ solo induction should lead to a Sheryl Crow nomination and I believe that Sheryl Crow should ultimately have the honor of inducting Stevie Nicks.

Roxy Music’s long overdue induction should lead to a nomination and in induction for Duran Duran. I also think the Duran Duran should have the honor of inducting Roxy Music into the Rock Hall and joining them onstage during their performances.

The Zombies’ long overdue induction should lead to a re-nomination of Procol Harum. Should Gary Brooker induct The Zombies, or should Paul Schaffer?

Unfortunately, I am not quite sure where you go with either Radiohead, or The Cure. Will Coldplay receive an induction in 2023, or will Muse be inducted in 2024, as a result of Radiohead’s induction? What about The Smiths, Joy Division/ New Order and The Replacements? Will The Cure’s upcoming induction rekindle a greater appreciation for alternative rock?

I cannot be even the slightest bit upset about the induction of Def Leppard; I just simply did not vote for them. I had been hoping that either Iron Maiden, or Judas Priest would have been nominated instead. I am not entirely sure where you go from here. Will we see a nomination for Twisted Sister in the not too distant future, as a result?

On the other hand, I have never really appreciated anything that Janet Jackson has supposedly ever done musically; although, I think that Janet’s forte is acting instead. In my honest opinion, RuPaul Andre Charles, a.k.a. RuPaul, should induct her, since his show, “RuPaul‘s Drag Race” is all about lip-synching and dancing – Janet’s forte.

I would personally like to see Sade inducted for many reasons, particularly because they write their songs, write their own lyrics, and perform those works onstage without requiring the accompaniment of numerous guest dancers and musicians. Also, Helen Folasade Adu still has an extraordinary voice that really fills the room and ultimately moves you physically and intellectually.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 01/24/2019 @ 10:04am


Enig,

I see Missy inducting Janet.

Posted by Timothy on Thursday, 01/24/2019 @ 17:11pm


Ben,

I actually think that your song lists are quite good. Although, I would argue that Roxy Music may perform the following songs, instead: ‘Do The Strand,’ ‘Love Is The Drug’ and ‘More Than This.’

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01/25/2019 @ 01:30am


Ben,

However, I would personally like to see 4 Roxy Music songs played at the ceremony: ‘Do The Strand,’ ‘The Thrill Of It All,’ ‘Love Is The Drug’ and ‘More Than This.’

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01/25/2019 @ 01:41am


Def Leppard has to do 'Rock of Ages', IMO. Pretty sure they will.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 01/25/2019 @ 07:13am


Enig,

I am glad somebody responded to my Song lists. I own the tune Virginia Plain. I will probably change the song lists for a bunch of them. So perhaps Roxy Music will perform the Following songs:Virginia Plain, Love is the Drug and More Than This. How is that?

Also, I figure you have an opinion on the song list for the Zombies. I can see you agreeing with that one. I will rewrite to make it easier. The Zombies may perform She's Not There,Tell Her No and Time of the Season. I see the Zombies as the other act of interest to you. A band like the Zombies are lucky enough to be inducted to represent the 60s. Usually the 60s act inducted perform some hits and known songs. Such was the case in more recent times with Donovan. You may Not be as interest in the other song list I have.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/25/2019 @ 08:57am


Roxy Music’s long overdue induction should lead to a nomination and in induction for Duran Duran later this year. I also think that Duran Duran should have the honor of inducting Roxy Music into the Rock Hall and joining them onstage during their performances.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01/25/2019 @ 09:28am


Nearly two months ago, I had written this:

It is now December and in slightly less than 2 weeks, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five, (Roxy Music, Radiohead, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk and The Zombies) Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.


Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.1.18 @ 07:41am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01/25/2019 @ 10:00am


Hey FRL Regulars,

These are the artists that I see being inducted into the Rock Hall (assuming that seven acts per class is the new norm) in the next five years (2020-2024):

Nine Inch Nails
Judas Priest
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
LL Cool J
Rage Against The Machine
Beck
Jay-Z
Eminem
Foo Fighters
The Smiths
The Commodores
Duran Duran
Depeche Mode
Carole King
The Notorious B.I.G.
Willie Nelson
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Whitney Houston
Warren Zevon
Sting
The J. Geils Band
Mary J. Blige
Jethro Tull
OutKast
Pat Benatar
Bad Company
The Shangri-La's
Phil Collins
The Monkees
Ozzy Osbourne
The B-52's
Chaka Khan
Tina Turner

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/25/2019 @ 14:13pm


richie,

I like your list. The ones I agree with are these:

The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
LL Cool J
Rage Against the Machine
Beck
Jay-Z
Eminem
Foo Fighters
The Smiths
The Commodores
Duran Duran
Carole King
Notorious BIG
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Warren Zevon
Sting
Mary J. Blige
Jethro Tull
Pat Benatar
Bad Company
Phil Collins
B-52s
Chaka Khan
Tina Turner

I think the other choices have thinks that hold them back for Votes to be Inductees 2020-2024. I agree with the above ones because they are known and respected a lot across the Music biz. You will notice the ones I skipped. Take care and respond if you like

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01/26/2019 @ 13:23pm


Ben,

Which acts would you replace Nine Inch Nails, Judas Priest, Depeche Mode, Willie Nelson, Whitney Houston, The J. Geils Band, OutKast, The Shangri-La's, The Monkees and Ozzy Osbourne with as ones that you think will be inducted into the Rock Hall (assuming that seven acts per class is the new norm) in the next five years (2020-2024) in addition to the ones that we both agree with (The Doobie Brothers, Eurythmics, LL Cool J, Rage Against The Machine, Beck, Jay-Z, Eminem, Foo Fighters, The Smiths, The Commodores, Duran Duran, Carole King, The Notorious B.I.G., Todd Rundgren, Smashing Pumpkins, Warren Zevon, Sting, Mary J. Blige, Jethro Tull, Pat Benatar, Bad Company, Phil Collins, The B-52's, Chaka Khan and Tina Turner)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/26/2019 @ 19:46pm


richie,

I will have to ponder the whole thing. I will give you 4 replacements for Nine Inch Nails,Judas Priest,Depeche Mode and Eillie Nelson. Today is my birthday. I am busy. So those 4 are Soundgarden,Whitesnake,Kraftwerk and Emmylou Harris

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01/28/2019 @ 19:54pm


Ben,

Happy belated birthday. In only 5 days from now, I will also begin another orbit around our sun. Yes, I will begin my 58th rotation at that time.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 01/29/2019 @ 10:00am


Enig,

I just turned 54. So I am right behind you. If I understand you right You are 57 in a few days. It makes sense that some of our music experiences are the similar with concerts further back. It seems like you were in High School in the late 70s early 80s.

I am not really predicting a lot for next Year. I came up with some nominees for 2020. I am confident about Jethro Tull for 2020. I have been a fan 38-39 years in my estimation. I am also confident that Duran Duran, Carole King, Todd Rundgren, B52s and Tina Turner will be nominated. Those are some

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01/30/2019 @ 09:05am


Hey FRL Regulars,

I know it's really early, but who do you guys see being nominated for 2020?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/31/2019 @ 00:17am


richie,

At the end of the song "We Made You," Eminem says, "Dr. Dre! 2020!" I'm not suggesting it as a serious prediction, given how focused the NomComm is on getting LL Cool J in first to the point of ignoring Outkast, but it'd be really cool if that happened.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01/31/2019 @ 02:00am


Richie,

I think Whitney Houston now has a serious path to induction (Mariah Carey following her). I see an actual nomination coming. My educated guess is it will take several for her to actually see an induction.

Sade seems overlooked consistently. And if Chaka Khan & Rufus make it in they seem like the next logical step towards a more modern R&B era.

Pat Benatar and Cyndi Lauper seem to have finally hit the mark in their careers where the Hall realizes they were as important as they were.

Any of those female based acts (Sade is a band, a incredibly talented one. Benatar's career owes as much to her husband as it does to her) could find their way onto a ballot soon. All should have been inducted by now, especially considering their less accomplished peers have already been enshrined..

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 01/31/2019 @ 13:22pm


Yeah, a Whitney nomination seems inevitable and it's basically the best hope for a black artist from the R&B scene (of sorts, since her stuff was basically just Pop) to get in.

But there's clearly a drop off in innovation and artistry when you go from Janet to Whitney to Mariah. So Whitney Houston might take a while to become inducted.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 01/31/2019 @ 14:59pm


When it comes to possible female acts for the Hall, I still think Cher is up next after Stevie and Janet. Last year, she went back to film for another on-screen role in “Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again,” and even recorded a couple of ABBA songs for the film’s soundtrack. She also received a Kennedy Center Honors.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/31/2019 @ 15:42pm


Casper,

While I often think you make great commentary you tend to discredit artists who were successful at areas you define as... irrelevant. Houston and Carey are by far two of the most innovative and important vocalists of Popular Music. With Celine Dion they form a Holy Trinity. They are essential to their eras and more influential than they are ever given credit. I used to see the arguments against them as sexist. However it is just plan revisionist to discredit them. This site tends to be Janet heavy, but when you use terms like "drop off" it is truly off the mark. Whitney is a master musician, people tend to act like vocals are just a god given born talent. It takes a insanely skilled vocalist to do what she did. To ignore that she was an outstanding artist is idiotic. They are more than just legends, they are defining artists of the entire Popular Music era.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 01/31/2019 @ 17:18pm


Chris F.,

Who do you see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next ten years (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2029)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/31/2019 @ 17:41pm


Richie,

Predicting that far out is always a bit complicated because the Hall itself changes every few years. I think you are going to see a fairly heavy emphasis on the 80s within the next decade. Especially those with big name recognition considering the popular movement the Hall has been on. Acts like Motley Crue, Foreigner, Styx, and Dire Straits may all benefit from that. Pat Benatar seems to be a logical next step. Chaka Khan and Rufus will get in. I see Kraftwerk also finding a deserved spot. The B-52s, Joy Division, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, and a chunk of Alternative rock acts should start popping up more frequently.

Hip Hop is about to crash the gate with a large number of acts becoming or already eligible. Dr Dre, Missy Elliott, LL Cool J, Eric B. & Rakim, Eminem, Snoop Dogg, De La Soul, and A Tribe Called Quest will either be enshrined or start to rack up nominations.

I would prefer to see Slayer and Judas Priest come into the fold, but I am not sure how open the Hall is going to be towards Metal. It is the area it probably most lacks in.

Tori Amos, Kate Bush, Bjork, PJ Harvey, and Alanis Morissette have a shot. As does Sheryl Crow or Sarah McLachlan. Mary J. Blige should be a sure bet. En Vogue and TLC could also find a place.

The random acts that slide in out of nowhere (Laura Nyro as an example) will be the interesting ones. A posthumous honor for Joe Cocked, a random Ricki Lee Jones pick, or an admired R&B act like Anita Baker or Luther Vandross are always a possibility. After John Prine's nomination the field is wide open.

Honestly there are about 200 acts you could randomly choose to fill the nominations. What will be more important is the Hall finding the correct way of moving forward and giving the honors to genres they haven't paid attention to. Punk, Metal, Alternative, Rap, Pop, and the outer layers of R&B.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 01/31/2019 @ 18:12pm


Chris, btw Dire Straits went in last year

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 01/31/2019 @ 20:34pm


Chris F.,

Assuming five-seven acts per class, and five more years, Who do you expect the next 25-35 acts inducted into the Rock Hall to be in some order?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/31/2019 @ 21:59pm


Since Penske Media now owns Rolling Stones, will the buyout make an impact for the Hall? If so, then how much?

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/1/2019 @ 08:27am


Probably not, but anything can happen.

I'd like to know: What do you guys concider to be the worst class in the history of the Rock Hall? I'll go with 2011 as Dr. John, Darlene Love, and Neil Diamond easily could have gotten in through the sporadic categories.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/2/2019 @ 02:32am


Hey FRL Regulars,

Assuming five-seven acts per class, and five more years, Who do you guys expect the next 25-35 acts inducted into the Rock Hall to be in some order?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/2/2019 @ 12:54pm


Just to point something out, in the godawful, woefully terrible Bohemian Rhapsody, Freddie Mercury is showing as being rudderless when he has a solo career and is apart from the band...

...so the people visiting the museum and voting for "Freddie Mercury (solo)" are even dumber than we thought.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 02/2/2019 @ 13:35pm


Music-related biopic is a new trend at Hollywood right now. Motley Crue is planning to put out their movie soon on Netflix, which is why I think they have a very good chance of getting nominated for the first time and inducted. I’ve also heard about a David Bowie coming in production. Will that increase more possibilities for The Spiders From Mars to get in? Sounds like a fan’s pipe dream, but you’ll never know.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/2/2019 @ 16:44pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

Who do you guys think will be the next Rap/Hip-Hop artist inducted into the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/3/2019 @ 11:45am


@ Richie

Expect Biggie, Jay and Em to join the ranks in the next three years. I really hate to say this, but as much of a cartoonish jackass he is, Kanye West does have a very good shot of getting inducted at first year once he becomes eligible at some point.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 02/3/2019 @ 14:54pm


Follower,

I do agree. 2011 was the worst RnR Hall Class. Darlen Love should have been inducted in another category. Dr. John and Neil Diamond however instead of being in sporadic categories should have been inducted later around 2017 or 2018 in fact.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/4/2019 @ 07:28am


@ Richie

Already Eligible:
Jethro Tull
Blink-182
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
MC5 (More of a really high hope, really.)
Pat Benetar
Freddie Mercury as a Solo Artist (Why...do people vote for him...?)
Rage Against the Machine
Beck
Outkast (Not a fan, but huge influence.)
Alanis Morisette
The Cranberries
Wu-Tang Clan
A Tribe Called Quest
Eric B. & Rakim (I would love if this happened)
Tears For Fears
Kyuss
Travelling Wilburys (...?)

Not Eligible:
Chemical Brothers
Foo Fighters
Wilco
Jay-Z
Fatboy Slim
Neutral Milk Hotel
Missy Elliot
Coldplay
Queens of the Stone Age
System of a Down
John Mayer
The White Stripes

These are off the top of my head, but there's probably more in the back of my head.

Posted by Jason Dagotto on Monday, 02/4/2019 @ 08:53am


Found an interesting article on how terrestrial radio continues to stay relevant despite the rise of streaming.

Radio survived the tape, CD, and iPod. In the age of Spotify, it’s more popular than ever.

“Think of any teen movie out of the 1980s or 1990s, and there’s a fair chance you can recall a scene of characters lounging in a car, singing along to the blare of a dashboard radio. If not driving, they’re listening to radio while sitting around a breakfast table, or doing homework, or gathering at friends’ parties, those trusty AM/FM waves forever crooning on in the background.”

“Music listening these days looks different. People don’t need a DJ spinning them new tracks that they’ll rush off to buy at a record shop; they pick their own songs on digital streaming services like Spotify. According to everyone from Jay-Z to entire national governments, the reign of radio is over.”

“Yet why the gloom? Radio is actually more alive than ever.”

“Nielsen, the data analytics company that tracks US entertainment consumption, reveals in its just-released annual Music 360 report that radio is still the number-one way people are discovering new music. What’s more, the group’s Radio’s All Dimension Audience Research reports also shows the percentage of Americans aged 12 and older listening to broadcast radio on a weekly basis has stayed relatively steady from 1970 to today.”

Terrestrial radio isn’t cool anymore—that much is certain. And fewer people own cars, causing the once-iconic sing-along-driving-down-a-highway scene to fade from modern entertainment culture and daily life alike. The numbers don’t lie, though: Radio, as a way to listen to music, is the opposite of dead. It may actually be the future of music entirely.”

“While the latter may seem more appealing to younger people—the millennial generation has grown up accustomed to boundless accessibility, after all—it’s actually the former that grabs most Americans’ hearts.”

“Old-fashioned AM/FM radio remains the biggest mass-reach medium in the US, with more than 90% of consumers listening on a weekly basis. That percentage has stayed strong even in the face of the explosive growth of music streaming; it was 96% back in 2001, according to Nielsen’s yearly reports.”

“But considering that Spotify, Apple Music, et al. provide an entire buffet of tens of thousands of songs, why stick to a rusty old format that offers much less?”

““For many people, the availability of so much music has led to what some academics and analysts call the tyranny of choice,” explains Larry Miller, director of the music business program at New York University’s Steinhardt School. “You’re confronted with all the music in the world but what the hell are you supposed to listen to? Somebody tell me! What’s good?””

“Most people simply don’t care all that much; they want music listening to be a passive experience, something to have on in the background as they cook and clean and go on with their lives. Overwhelmed by options, they would prefer to sit back and have somebody else—a DJ, a charts-based hits list, any trustworthy authority—take control. Which is why streaming services are looking more and more like radio.”

“Spotify, the leading music-streaming platform, made waves a short while ago when it dropped Discover Weekly, a clever algorithm-driven playlist that is continually refreshed with recommendations for the listener. “It’s a low-involvement experience to check something out,” Miller says of the playlist’s immense popularity.“

“Since Discover Weekly, there’s been Release Radar, Fresh Finds, My Time Capsule, and a litany of other recommendation engines. Spotify’s RapCaviar playlist this summer became an industry-toppling revolution, launching the career of many a new or obscure rapper—such as Cardi B, whose song “Bodak Yellow” made history last month and even managed to topple the supremacy of universal pop queen Taylor Swift.”

“In other words, streaming service’s playlists are a new form of radio. “Bodak Yellow” was passed by on most AM/FM stations; it owes the bulk of its success to RapCaviar, which has around 7.6 million followers and is effectively the rap and hip-hop community’s new megaphone. “Rockstar,” a single from rapper Post Malone, recently reached #2 in the US—becoming the second track to soar up into the charts with minimum (traditional) radio play.”

“Given the profusion of music-listening choices today, we’re now seeing an evolution in the idea of radio, i.e. curated passive content, pop up on other platforms.”

“In the last five to 10 years, radio—and the use of it, ‘I listen to radio’—is a relatively ambiguous word,” says Paul Brenner, president of NextRadio, an app that offers local FM streaming on smartphones.”

“Tom Poleman, chief programming officer of iHeartMedia, the largest radio station group owner in the US, tells Quartz he has seen the definition of the word morph many times over the course of his decades-spanning career in the music industry—to the point where no two companies, musicians, or listeners share the same understanding of what it is.”

“So how should we define it? “It just means you listen to audio passively, linearly,” Brenner says. “A playlist is a radio. In the old days a radio station was the frequency you tuned into for a programmer’s choice of airwaves. Now it could be a playlist somebody created, or a pre-programmed genre channel.” Spotify currently has 140 million users and growing; its playlists are a perfect entry point for a mass-market audience that is new to streaming.”

“Curation, taste-making, personalization—whatever you want to call the act of somebody plopping songs in front of you, the music equivalent of sitting down and asking for the chef’s recommendations without bothering to glance at the menu—is the future of music. It is the centerpiece of a music, in people’s private homes, in public spaces, in social gatherings. And if you ask anyone from the older, airwaves-loving generation: That’s also exactly what it’s always been.”

https://qz.com/1094963/radio-survived-the-tape-cd-and-ipod-in-the-age-of-spotify-its-more-popular-than-ever/

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/4/2019 @ 12:11pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

These are the artists that I see being inducted into the Rock Hall (assuming that seven acts per class is the new norm) in the next five years (2020-2024):

Nine Inch Nails
Judas Priest
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
LL Cool J
Rage Against The Machine
Beck
Jay-Z
Eminem
Foo Fighters
The Smiths
The Commodores
Duran Duran
Depeche Mode
Carole King
The Notorious B.I.G.
Willie Nelson
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Whitney Houston
Warren Zevon
Sting
The J. Geils Band
Mary J. Blige
Jethro Tull
OutKast
Pat Benatar
Bad Company
The Shangri-La's
Phil Collins
The Monkees
Ozzy Osbourne
The B-52's
Chaka Khan
Tina Turner

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/4/2019 @ 18:26pm


So, the voting thing at the hall itself is this:

1. Blink-182
2. Iron Maiden
3. Rage Against The Machine
4. Phil Collins
5. Dave Matthews Band
6. Weezer
7. Freddie Mercury (As Solo Artist)
8. Motley Crue

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/4/2019 @ 23:55pm


Why on earth is Freddie Mercury as a solo artist even an option? He was one of the most gifted vocalists, but he is already in with Queen. This makes even less sense than inducting Stevie Nicks on her merit as a SOLO artist when she is already honored, rightfully so, as a part of Fleetwood Mac. The other bands I think a case can be made for any one of them, especially Iron Maiden.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/5/2019 @ 12:46pm


Because people who visit the Hall are stupid, that's why. And the Boho Rhap movie.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/5/2019 @ 13:26pm


richie,

You wanted to know last week I would replace Nine Inch Nails,J. Priest, Depeche Mode,Willie Nelson,Whitney Houston,J. Geils Band,Outkast,Shangri-Las,The Monkees and Ozzy with. Here they are.

Soundgarden
Twisted Sister
Kraftwerk
Emmylou Harris
Mariah Carey
Jethro Tull
Dr. Dre
Sonny & Cher
The Turtles
Scorpions

I am sure this will change a lot. That's the response for right Now. I will Now be focused on the 2019 Ceremony

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/6/2019 @ 06:53am


Hey FRL Regulars,

As much as I love The Notorious B.I.G., I just don't see him as a FYE Rock Hall nominee/inductee, the problem that I have with him is because his career was so short and he's not quite the legendary pop culture icon as Tupac is and because of that, I just don't think that he's a first-ballot Hall of Famer, so I really think that the Nominating Committee will stick with LL Cool J and will give him one more nomination next year and LL will finally get in on his 6th try next year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/7/2019 @ 01:19am


richie,

I had trouble pondering your list. I make a Rather different list of artists I see being Inducted in the next five years(2020-2024). I looked it over too fast. You see there is a bunch of artists some Prog and some Blues Rock that could be inducted. I mentioned Jethro Tull. But there is also Emerson, Lake and Palmer and

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/7/2019 @ 09:26am


There is also Emerson,Lake and Palmer and King Crimson that could be Inducted in the next five Years. Also Johnny Winter as far as Blues Rock. There are probably at least 50 artists that can Possibly be inducted in the next Five years. I will table this idea and maybe get back to it in 6 months.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/7/2019 @ 09:32am


@ Richie

The Beatles and Nirvana were short-lived acts and they were inducted at first year.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 02/7/2019 @ 09:34am


Hey FRL Regulars,

How long it will be before LL Cool J is finally inducted into the Rock Hall and how many nominations will it take him before he finally gets an induction?.

Will he go in on his 6th try just like LaVern Baker, Jimmy Reed, Bobby "Blue" Bland, Ruth Brown and The Moonglows?.

Will he go in on his 7th try just like Lloyd Price, Gene Vincent, Del Shannon, Lynyrd Skynyrd and Patti Smith?.

Will he go in on his 8th try just like Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers, Duane Eddy, Little Willie John, Gene Pitney, Black Sabbath and The Stooges?.

Or will he have to wait until 10 nominations just like Solomon Burke to finally get in?.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/7/2019 @ 20:20pm


They will put in LL when they have exhausted a bunch of others that should go in. That is a big maybe, the Hall has got a chunk of rappers now, so maybe they'll cherry pick for awhile as well. I would be Eminem would get a nod before him, just because of his polarizing and game changing style. (notice I mention style and not ethnicity, as it is what makes him worthy). It'll be awhile, because he would've gotten in already if they were really looking at him as groundbreaking, which he is, but we know how the committee is on another plane of cognition, or a lack thereof...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/8/2019 @ 03:14am


LL Cool J will get in someday, but when is anyone's guess.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/8/2019 @ 20:05pm


It just depends on his ballot competition and the number of inductees in a given year. If they go back to inducting just 5 Performers a year, I could easily see him waiting ten years. Voters will have Beck and Bjork and The Smiths and OutKast and Kanye and Biggie and Jay Z and Smashing Pumpkins and so forth. LL Cool J is clearly not currently a top tier candidate in the eyes of the voters although I would agree that he has the best credentials and best chances of being inducted of any until-now eligible name other than OutKast.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 02/8/2019 @ 20:13pm


Oh, and considering Biggie, Jay-Z, and Eminem are going to be old enough soon, the hall won't induct two hip-hop acts, so LL's going to have to wait.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/8/2019 @ 20:28pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

Who do you guys see being the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominees and out of the nominees, Which ones do you guys see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/12/2019 @ 23:46pm


I have to say that since so much of the key 60s and 70s Rock is in that the new Focus will be 80s. There will also be some leftover acts of the 70s previously ignored Both with Rock and R&b. I will focus here on Rock. I think Bad Company, Duran Duran, Eurythmics,Foreigner Don Henley Joe Jackson, Jethro Tull, Todd Rundgren and the Smiths all have a good chance of being nominated in 2020

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/15/2019 @ 09:45am


Nominee Predictions for 2020
1. Oasis
2. Weezer
3. Jethro Tull
4. Rage Against The Machine
5. Devo
6. Sting
7. Notorious BIG
8. Judas Priest
9. Soundgarden
10.Todd Rundgren
11.Iron Maiden
12.Whitney Houston
13.Chaka Khan
14.Joy Division/New Order
15.Phil Collins

Induction class predictions of 2020
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Todd Rundgren
Notorious BIG
Joy Division/New order
Whitney Houston
Weezer



Posted by Navonte Robertson on Monday, 02/18/2019 @ 05:56am


A partial list of Nominee Predictions for 2020 for Right Now

Bad Company
Beck
Blood,Sweat & Tears
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Jethro Tull
Carole King
Kraftwerk
Dave Matthews Band
The Spinners

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/18/2019 @ 11:17am


Netflix recently revealed the trailer of their upcoming movie called the Dirt. Said this a few times before and I’ll say it again: Motley Crue is gonna get nominated and inducted for the class of 2020 cause of this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-NOp5ROn1HE

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/19/2019 @ 10:38am


You know what I am NOT a big fan of Motley Crue. Ahh but it makes sense that they are the next nominee for Arena Rock. They seem to always choose one Arena Rock act each year. I feel confident as a music person they could be Nominated for 2020. I dont think they will be Inducted yet though.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/19/2019 @ 12:31pm


Motley Crue could be a safe bet. I would like to see Whitesnake. They have been around since the later 70's and had some big hits in 1980's. They had an incredible talented group of musicians in Whitesnake. John Sykes, Steve Vai, Vivian Campbell etc. It might be a creative way to induct some of these talented musicians. Coverdale would have 2 inductions. Something to think about. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 02/19/2019 @ 15:34pm


@ Ben

Motley Crue also have four new songs coming and one of them features Machine Gun Kelly as a special guest who played as Tommy Lee in the Dirt movie.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ENxdbaSTxO0

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 02/21/2019 @ 12:23pm


Peter Tork has just passed. I sense there will be a renewed push to get the Monkees in next year as well now...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/21/2019 @ 13:54pm


Motley Crue has released their newest song featuring Machine-Gun Kelly who played as Tommy Lee in the upcoming Dirt movie from Netflix.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QfenIwtoQzk

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/22/2019 @ 10:01am


Whos inducting the class of 2019 any thoughts

Posted by Chris on Sunday, 02/24/2019 @ 03:56am


My guess at who will induct who.

Def Leppard: Jon Bon Jovi
The Cure: Billy Corgan or Shirley Manson
Janet Jackson: Beyonce or Missy Elliot
Radiohead: Matt Bellamy or Chris Martin
Roxy Music: David Byrne
Stevie Nicks: Sheryl Crow or Haim
The Zombies: Little Steven or Paul Shaffer

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 02/24/2019 @ 10:58am


@ Chris

Possible inductors

Def Leppard: Corey Taylor (Stone Sour & Slipknot)
The Cure: Gerard Way (My Chemical Romance)
Roxy Music: Lady Gaga
Radiohead: Michael Stipe (REM)
The Zombies: Either Ringo Starr or Paul McCartney
Stevie Nicks: Taylor Swift
Janet Jackson: Either Beyoncé or Britney Spears

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 02/24/2019 @ 11:55am


Now here is a topic to address. A guess at who will induct who.

Def Leppard: Jon Bon Jovi
The Cure: Shirley Manson
Janet Jackson: Beyonce
Stevie Nicks: Sheryl Crow
Radiohead: Matt Bellamy or Chris Martin
Roxy Music: David Byrne or Simon Le Bon
The Zombies: Little Steven

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/25/2019 @ 07:19am


It's worth nothing that Sheryl Crow inducted Fleetwood Mac. Would that be too much of a retread to have her induct Stevie Nicks?

Posted by Greg P. on Monday, 02/25/2019 @ 09:41am


Mostly just trying to throw out some alternatives to the above mentions, except for Stevie Nicks who is the only one I have a truly strong feeling about. Haim is very of the moment right now and seem to have a very strong mutual appreciation relationship with Stevie.

Def Leppard: Dan Reynolds (Imagine Dragons)
The Cure: Alan Wilder (formerly of Depeche Mode)
Janet Jackson: Janelle Monae
Stevie Nicks: Haim
Radiohead: Christopher Nolan (movie director)
Roxy Music: Jerry Harrison (Talking Heads)
The Zombies: Paul Weller

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 02/25/2019 @ 12:27pm


Brian May is gonna be Deaf Leppard’s inductor.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/27/2019 @ 12:17pm


I think the next 70s Rock act to look for is Jethro Tull. Another of those forgotten acts from the 1970s for the RnR Hall. I think the Hall wanted to have the Moody Blues in at long last before pondering Jethro Tull. I would NOT expect a Biopic movie on Tull any time soon.

They do have a lot of amazing Albums to their credit. They would represent Prog in 2020. Since they skipped key Prog for 2019 I think this makes Jethro Tull very possible for 2020. Most of the key Rock acts that dominated the 70s in General have now been inducted. I mean Queen, Steely Dan, Yes,ELO and the Moody Blues are all in Now. This year Roxy Music is the only act representing the 70s.

Jethro Tull have several key albums like Benefit, Aqualung, This as a Brick, Passion Play and War Child. I am sure you agree Enig.
Ian Anderson is one of the great flute players of Rock. The chances are pretty good for Jethro Tull to be nominated in 2020. They can probably get inducted too in 2020. What do some of you think?

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/1/2019 @ 11:32am


@ Ben

Yeah, the Hall is doing great at picking up prog bands. Jethro Tull is next since this year marked the thirty anniversary of their first and only Grammy Award who were nominated on the wrong category that was based on the Baby Boomer definition of metal - not the real one we used now.

After that, ELP, Procol Harum and King Crimson will be the last prog bands from the 60’s and 70’s to get inducted on 2021, 22, and 23 respectively. I still don’t think STYX and Kansas will ever make it cause they don’t have enough requirements to meet the Hall’s criteria unless the management is desperate for more ratings and attendees for financial reasons which is doubtful.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/1/2019 @ 12:33pm


Hey Dude,

IT is accurate that following Jethro Tull will come ELP,Procol Harum and King Crimson. I think it would be too much to say that I don’t think Styx and Kansas will ever make it. But They won’t be inducted any time soon. Maybe they are inducted by 2030 as opposed to 2020 coming up. I differ from you on that point. They could represent Arena Rock at some point. Both Styx and Kansas were Key Arena rock bands at one time. 1976-1983. But that’s a story for another time. Not that soon.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/1/2019 @ 17:50pm


Possible Presenters

Billy Corgan or Ariel Pink - The Cure
David Gilmour or U2 - Roxy Music
Beyonce or Missy Elliott - Janet Jackson
Carrie Underwood or Haim - Stevie Nicks
Paul Weller or Justin Hayward - The Zombies
Michael Stipe or Graham Coxon - Radiohead

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Saturday, 03/2/2019 @ 20:55pm


Almost 7 years ago, I had written this:


Yes, I will admit that I am a progressive rock aficionado; I have been one since 1980, or did I become one when first introduced to "Hemispheres," in February, 1979.

My favorite bands presently are: Yes, Rush, Pink Floyd, Genesis, The Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, ELP, Jefferson Airplane, Fleetwood Mac, Procol Harum, Alan Parsons Project, Supertramp, Kansas, Talking Heads and Styx.

My favorite solo artists are: Peter Gabriel, Sting and Stevie Nicks.

I also really like Cars, Roxy Music, Duran Duran, Asia, Heart, Andreas Vollenweider and Yanni.

I can accept the nominations of Dick Dale, SRV and others.

I am not an aficionado of "heavy metal," nor "rap."

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/3/2019 @ 23:51pm


Radio Matters. Here’s Why.

“Ever since the inception of radio, nearly 100 years ago, pundits have been predicting its demise. Time and time again, the predictions fail because radio is one of the most adaptable technologies in the marketplace and continues to fill important niches for consumers.”

“For example, when television became a strong market force after World War II, radio was pushed out of its front and center living room position in the home. Radio responded by adapting to the mobile and portable environment. Today, the pundits are saying that streaming technologies are going to destroy radio, but radio is adapting around this challenge as well, offering streaming options as well as over-the-air programming.”

“And, so far, streaming has not overtaken radio as a primary engagement platform. According to United States Ratings giant Nielsen, more Americans still tune to AM/FM radio than any other platform, and 93 percent of U.S. adults listen to radio every week — “more than those watching television or using a smartphone, TV connected device, tablet or PC,” they say.”

“It isn’t just older listeners, either. According to Nielsen, as of 2017 radio has the largest reach with Gen X, with 97 percent of U.S. listeners aged 35 to 54 (80.5 million people) tuning in each month. Ninety-five percent of Millennials (18–34) tune in monthly. When combined with the Baby Boomer population, AM/FM radio’s monthly reach for listeners over 18 exceeds 243 million people in the U.S. alone.”

“In short, Radio Matters. Here are some of the reasons:”

RADIO IS LOCAL

“Unlike television, satellite broadcasting or most forms of streaming, radio is created and consumed locally, with local news and local advertisers. Even though print media is on the verge of demise in many areas, Radio still remains strong for informing you on what is going on in your area.
In Malaysia, Nielson has radio’s weekly reach in 2015 increasing to 94 percent and continuing to grow. In the United Kingdom, radio reaches almost 90 percent of adults, with the average listener tuning in for over 21 hours per week (source: ofcom.org.uk).”

RADIO IS IMMEDIATE

“Nothing beats radio’s ability to provide up to date news from breaking events, as well as timely advertising. As compared to television, radio is quicker from the event to air, due in part to the reduced production time and quantity of needed equipment. It’s much easier to get remote coverage on the air using radio, especially with today’s technologies for feeding high quality audio back to the station over IP and other networks.“

RADIO IS COST EFFECTIVE

“Radio delivers many more consumers per dollar spent than most other media. As a result, targeted niche programming can be created and delivered at lower costs. Streaming services must create a new path for each listener, and the network and the server work harder with each listener. Radio doesn’t work like that — one transmitter handles the entire coverage area, regardless of the number of listeners.”

RADIO IS MOBILE

“Unlike other media, radio is in the dashboard of most cars, and is carried by joggers and to the beach by millions of people weekly. Because of the transmission medium and consistent coverage from location to location, it’s ideal for automobile commuters. And with digital broadcasting technologies, a myriad of services such as real-time traffic updates including accidents or other incidents are available to listeners in their cars, giving them the information they need to pick the quickest route.”

RADIO REACHES EVERYONE

“Many people in developing countries lack the money for a TV, and can’t read, but most still have access to a radio. This makes radio the most accessible media in the world.”

And this will continue to impact the Rock Hall.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.radioworld.com/columns-and-views/radio-matters-heres-why/amp

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/4/2019 @ 10:31am


This will be the first time any members of Queen or Duran Duran have presented anyone at the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremonies.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 03/4/2019 @ 20:56pm


I'm predicting Michael Jackson and Queen tribute performances at this year's Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction ceremony! Guess why!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 03/4/2019 @ 22:36pm


It's the tenth anniversary of Michael Jackson's death and the success of Bohemian Rhapsody might lead to a tribute for Freddie Mercury.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 03/4/2019 @ 23:04pm


@ Greg F

Dunno bout you guys; but since everybody outside of the Rock Hall community wants Freddie in again for his brief solo career, he could be a surprise induction. Def Leppard wanted Brain May or/and Roger Taylor to be their inductors, so it could happen.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/4/2019 @ 23:29pm


I dunno about that. He didn't do enough to deserve an induction for his solo career.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 03/4/2019 @ 23:37pm


As of Feb 24, this is what the Hall thing looks like:

1. Blink-182
2. Iron Maiden
3. Dave Matthews Band
4. Rage Against The Machine
5. Weezer
6. Phil Collins
7. Freddie Mercury (As Solo Artist)
8. Motley Crue


Same names, just in a different order for 3-6.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/4/2019 @ 23:40pm


I guess Janet might do a tribute for Michael during her performance.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 03/4/2019 @ 23:40pm


We are getting some announcements for presenters at the 2019 RnR Hall of Fame. This year they are coming slowly but info is coming sooner than the last couple years.

So far there is Roger Taylor of Queen inducting Def Leppard. And there is John Taylor and Simon Le Bon of Duran Duran inducting Roxy Music.

I am guessing the other 5 acts still have no presenters inducting them.

So we still need to know The Cure,Janet Jackson,Stevie Nicks and the Zombies. If anyone has info on these let us know.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/5/2019 @ 07:13am


And we also need to know the presenter for Radiohead. I wanted to say that before anyone corrects it.

Correction:We still need to know the presenters for the Cure,Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks, Radiohead and the Zombies.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/5/2019 @ 07:28am


Brian May, not Roger Taylor, Ben, inducting Def!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03/5/2019 @ 18:02pm


Oh thats Right. I stand corrected. Its Brian May of Queen inducting Def Lep. Someone from Queen makes sense. Queen preceded Def Lep as a key Rock band out of England.

Its Also good to know that a couple Duran Duran members are inducting Roxy Music. We need to know the other 5 presenters.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/5/2019 @ 19:51pm


Oh thats Right. I stand corrected. Its Brian May of Queen inducting Def Lep. Someone from Queen makes sense. Queen preceded Def Lep as a key Rock band out of England.

Its Also good to know that a couple Duran Duran members are inducting Roxy Music. We need to know the other 5 presenters.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/5/2019 @ 19:51pm


There are still 5 acts that have to have their presenters announced. We know 2. Def Leppard will be inducted by Brian May and Roxy Music will be inducted by Members of Duran Duran.

Here are my picks for the other 5. I changed a couple from before.

The Cure: Shirley Manson
Janet Jackson: Beyonce
Stevie Nicks: Haim
Radiohead: Graham Coxon
The Zombies: Little Steven

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/7/2019 @ 07:17am


‘DAVID LEE ROTH’ WILL BE IN MOTLEY CRUE’S ‘THE DIRT’ MOVIE

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-lee-roth-motley-crue-dirt-movie/

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 03/7/2019 @ 12:22pm


Got to wonder if the Michael Jackson "news" (as in, people finally acknowledging the obvious) is going to lead to Janet not wanting to show up and/or nobody wanting to give her an induction speech, etc.

Similarly, the revelation that Dionne Warwick's sister (also a singer), sexually abused Whitney Houston and her siblings presents yet another awkward situation.

Then there's people like Rick Rubin and Afrika Bambaataa who absolutely deserve to be in there but now will likely never be.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 03/8/2019 @ 14:33pm


Why has nobody this entire cycle been mentioning Taylor Swift to induct Def Leppard? She literally has called them her biggest musical influence from when she was younger and even had a television special with Def Leppard. It's weird that everybody forgot about that.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 03/8/2019 @ 14:36pm


Of course, it matters NOT now that members of Queen are inducting Leppard.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 03/8/2019 @ 14:36pm


@ Casper

Swift is more likely to induct Stevie Nicks. I actually wanted Corey Taylor from Stone Sour and Slipknot to induct Def Leppard before they settled on Brain May.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/8/2019 @ 15:55pm


MEET THE CAST OF MOTLEY CRUE’S ‘THE DIRT’

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/motley-crue-dirt-cast/

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 03/9/2019 @ 12:48pm


Since FRL put out a new pic of the future eligibles for the front page, I’m in a mood for a fun post to kill some time. If ya made a different version of it, what would it look like?

These are the names I’d want them to stay:

Foo Fighters
Sleater-Kinney
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Keys
Death Cab for Cutie
The National
Gray Clark. Jr
Tame Impala
LCD Soundsystem

These are the names I’d replace:

Daft Punk
Hole (No one likes Courtney Love)
Beyoncé
Lorde
St. Vincent
Coldplay
Janelle Monáe
Pharrell Williams
Alabama Shakes
Kendrick Lamar

These are the names I’d add:

Linkin Park
Muse
Lady Gaga
The Strokes
Slipknot
The Killers
My Chemical Romance
Deftones
Jay-Z
Bruno Mars

Last cut: System of the Down, Paramore and Eminem

What’s your revision of the new front page pic?

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 03/10/2019 @ 14:41pm


VINCE NEIL SAYS ‘THE DIRT’ MOVIE IS BETTER THAN HE EXPECTED

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/vince-neil-the-dirt-better/

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 03/10/2019 @ 15:52pm


MOTLEY CRUE MAGAZINE ADS THROUGH THE YEARS: 1981-2019

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/motley-crue-magazine-ads/

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/11/2019 @ 10:40am


If ya’ll still wondering why metal - the real and current definition - is still not very well represented at awards ceremonies and of course the Hall of Fame, it’s due to poor fan support. I still think it’s the bands and metalheads that are afraid of the Hall cause most of them are notoriously protective when it comes to gate keeping and it’s pretty much the same problem with punk.

Phil Labonte from All That Remains (who he and the rest of the band has yet to get their own FRL page) said this about his critical take on the Grammys and it sums up about the current issues at the Hall.

"There's a lot of really thoughtful, warm, sweet human beings, and Lzzy is the perfect person to lead that charge. As a heavy rock ambassador, I'd follow her to the ends of the earth. I can't come up with anyone better than Lzzy Hale. And I'm not surprised that the Grammys did what they did. Not that I have any expectation to ever be nominated for a Grammy, but I think Randy [Blythe] did the right thing — Randy from LAMB OF GOD. He didn't go [to the Grammy Awards when his band was nominated], and he auctioned off [his Grammy medallion that he won for the LAMB OF GOD song 'Redneck']. Because metal is subversive. Metal is supposed to be for the people that don't want to fit in, that don't care if they fit in. So when people get upset because the metal community is shunned, to me, I'm just like, 'Screw them. Why do you care? They've crapped on us forever.' The Grammys have screwed up every single time since METALLICA and JETHRO TULL. Why would you expect them to do it right this time? So, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not surprised. And for the people that did care, I'm sorry that they were kind of bummed out. Maybe I'm a little cynical, but I don't expect the Grammys to get anything right at all — at least when it comes to metal. So, no big surprise to me. They just did what they do normally, which is blow it."

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/all-that-remains-singer-wasnt-surprised-to-see-oli-herbert-excluded-from-grammy-awards-in-memoriam-segment/

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/11/2019 @ 17:49pm


I just find it hysterical that, for all the love Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, in particular, have gotten in the forums and in media in general, they can't generate even a nom. There is a vocal minority that seems to think anything that doesn't rattle your eardrums and worship Satan isn't worthy of the RRHOF, yet their own bread and butter doesn't make it in...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/12/2019 @ 12:48pm


Just discovered a classic rock station at Georgia that not only plays the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and 90’s but also the 2000’s. Although, I don’t consider them yet, but It looks like they wanna test the waters to see if they could expand the definition of the term other than their demographics.

Augusta classic rock station moves down the dial

“Eagle broadcasts rock music from the early 1970s to the early 2000s, featuring artists such as Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Tom Petty, Van Halen and Foo Fighters. It also broadcasts the long-running "John Boy & Billy Big Show" morning program.”

https://www.augustachronicle.com/news/20190311/augusta-classic-rock-station-moves-down-dial

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/12/2019 @ 13:05pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

Inductors have been announced for this year's induction ceremony:

Harry Styles will induct Stevie Nicks
Brian May of Queen will induct Def Leppard
Janelle Monae will induct Janet Jackson
Trent Renzor of Nine Inch Nails will induct The Cure
David Byrne will induct Radiohead
John Taylor & Simon Le Bon of Duran Duran will induct Roxy Music
Susanna Hoffs of The Bangles will induct The Zombies

This year's induction ceremony will air on HBO on Saturday, April 27.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/12/2019 @ 22:23pm


Beyond May and Taylor/Le Bon, do you have a source for the other 5? If those are the inductors, that's a stellar list.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 03/12/2019 @ 23:59pm


Maybe those are predictions?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 02:01am



New York Times has it-- richie is correct.

Fascinating stuff. I would have bet the farm on Paul Weller inducting The Zombies. But Hoffs is not a bad choice-- a generation younger than the band.

Janelle Monae is a pretty terrific fit for Janet.

Great list all around.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 05:22am


Wow, great list! Janelle Monae is indeed the perfect choice to induct Janet Jackson. I particularly look forward to David Byrne's induction speech. Hopefully Byrne's presence can convince Brian Eno to attend the ceremony.

The only thing that surprises me, is Harry Styles. His latest album was quite Fleetwood Mac-ish, so I understand the connection. Would have expected a woman, though.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 06:27am


Hey everyone,

Finally all the presenters have been announced. I was wrong about Most of them. I did predict Duran Duran members for Roxy Music. I was wrong about alll the others and A lot of people were. There is NO way most of us would guess Harry Styles inducting Stevie Nicks. A woman made more sense. I can understand Trent Reznor inducting the Cure and of course Brian May inducting Def Leppard. Ahh Susanna Hoffs inducting the Zombies is a good choice and a surprise.That is alll for Now.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 10:25am


TOMMY LEE NEVER ‘TAINTED BY UGLINESS’ SAYS MACHINE GUN KELLY

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/tommy-lee-machine-gun-kelly/

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 11:22am


I guessed Janelle Monae for Janet - she's had a huge year and if you ever saw her perform (which I did see on tv a number of times this year), she totally wears her Janet Jackson influence on her sleeve.

To me the biggest surprise is the placement of David Byrne. Before the Duran guys were announced, I had expected he might be a good fit for Roxy Music; or I could see him as a good fit for The Zombies. Presenting for Radiohead is a bit of a head scratcher for me. But I love Byrne and will be happy to see what he has to say.

I think we can now nail down one of Stevie Nicks' song choices. She and Harry have sung "Leather and Lace" together before. So that becomes an obvious choice for her setlist.

These appearances maybe help put NIN back into the nominees list next year, and perhaps give Duran Duran their first shot at it. I'm not sure I see this as a springboard for The Bangles though; not with The Go-Gos still waiting for their first nomination, or Pat Benatar, or The B-52s, etc. There's a backlog of much more important 80s female led acts than The Bangles. And I say that as a fan of their music.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 11:53am


I mean, I can see almost every presenter sitting in with the honorees they are presenting. But if Radiohead was going to actually play, could anybody picture a spot for David Byrne to sit in on vocals or guitar? He could do an interesting solo acoustic version of "Creep" of "Fake Plastic Trees" though.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 12:00pm


David could do Paranoid Android in the same voice he uses for Psycho Killer. That would be cool.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 14:01pm


MOTLEY CRUE LINEUP CHANGES: A COMPLETE GUIDE

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/motley-crue-lineup-changes/

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 16:41pm


PRESENTERS FOR THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES ANNOUNCED!

Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails for The Cure
Brian May of Queen for Def Leppard
Janelle Monae for Janet Jackson
David Byrne of Talking Heads for Radiohead
Simon Le Bon and John Taylor of Duran Duran for Roxy Music
Harry Styles of One Direction for Stevie Nicks
Susanna Hoffs of The Bangles for The Zombies

https://pitchfork.com/news/rock-hall-2019-induction-speakers-david-byrne-for-radiohead-trent-reznor-for-the-cure/

The ceremony on March 29 at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York

Queen inducted in 2001
Talking Heads inducted in 2002

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 18:22pm


"To me the biggest surprise is the placement of David Byrne. Before the Duran guys were announced, I had expected he might be a good fit for Roxy Music; or I could see him as a good fit for The Zombies. Presenting for Radiohead is a bit of a head scratcher for me. But I love Byrne and will be happy to see what he has to say." Shrek

How so? Radiohead named themselves after a Talking Heads song so it would obviously be better for the person that inspired the band to present.

Posted by jay kay on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 18:38pm


jay kay - I guess it makes sense in a bit of the same way as Brian May inducting Def Leppard. The inspiring mentor inducting their disciples. But Brian May and Def Leppard seem to have a long established friendship and mutual admiration that I just wasn't aware was there for Byrne with Radiohead.

The young band that named themselves after a Talking Heads song was an extremely different sort of band than what Radiohead later became. And their later sound doesn't map all that closely to the sorts of sounds that Byrne has pursued. The primary influence I can really hear in Radiohead's music from Byrne is in the themes of modern paranoia in the lyrics.

I can see the band being happy that David Byrne is inducting them, I guess I'm just surprised Byrne felt enough affinity with Radiohead's music to agree to the duty.

Perhaps they find connection beyond the young fan worship by Radiohead in a mutual appreciation for Kraftwerk and Brian Eno?

David Byrne is an interesting and perceptive speaker on music, and certainly has stayed hip to modern acts (witness his collaborative album with St. Vincent). I look forward to him explaining more to me about what he loves about Radiohead.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 19:20pm


Shrek,

David Byrne has expressed in past interviews how much he loves and respects Radiohead. Also they seem to be long time friends and hes like a mentor to Thom Yorke. Byrne even did an interview with Yorke

https://www.stereogum.com/7529/the_price_of_music_david_byrne_interviews_thom_yor/news/

Posted by jay kay on Wednesday, 03/13/2019 @ 20:03pm


Regarding the 2019 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame inductors:

Harry Styles- who is that? I am sorry, but have never heard of him. Sheryl Crow must have been otherwise occupied during that evening.

Janelle Monáe- She is infinitely more talented than the inductee she will be inducting will ever be. In my honest opinion, RuPaul should have inducted her; they certainly have much more in common!

Trent Reznor- I suppose that he is a very good fit for The Cure.

Regarding those inductors who are “prog” -adjacent:

Dr. Brian May- Def Leppard is extremely fortunate to have such a great inductor. By the way, “Bohemian Rhapsody” was really quite a fantastic film. I am definitely looking forward to the sequel.

Susanna Hoffs- I happen to like The Bangles much more than I do The Go-gos and would not mind seeing a Bangles nomination result from this. The Zombies are indeed quite fortunate to have such a great presenter. Their performances should be stellar.

As for the rest: Prog inducts prog.

David Byrne is probably a great choice to induct Radiohead. Talking Heads are also a major “prog” band.

Simon Le Bon and John Taylor are superlative choices to induct Roxy Music. By the way, “arty synth rock” is prog by any other name! Duran Duran should definitely receive a nomination later this year. Will Nick Rhodes appear at the ceremony, also? Roxy Music should be the closer, in my honest opinion!

Cheers!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 03/14/2019 @ 10:25am


Enig,

I really didn’t know who Harry Styles is. I was a bit better than you. I knew the Name. I Googled Him ysterday. He is a member of the modern Group One Direction. We are in Our 50s. It’s fair to say Not everyone in their 50s knows Harry Styles off Hand. One Direction are a modern Band. I heard of them. What I read is Harry Styles is a big fan of Stevie Nicks.it must be that Sheryl Crow Or Haim were Not Available.

The Rest Of them have Presenters I would expect. Brian May is a Good fit for Def Leppard and Susanna Hoffs for The Zombies.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/14/2019 @ 10:52am


I don't think Duran Duran gets in next year even though they are going to be presenters. It will probably be around 2 or 3 years from now. I think they will Depeche Mode and maybe the Smiths in first before DD

Posted by jay kay on Thursday, 03/14/2019 @ 11:05am


Enig,

I also Feel Janelle Monae is a good fit for Janet Jackson. I’m not angered by Janet Jackson the way you BUT she is certainly NOT one of my Favorite artists by any means at alll. My favs are People Like Eric Clapton,Neil Young, The Who, Grateful Dead, Moody Blues,Yes, Talking Heads, Steely Dan,etc etc like that. There is my Other 600 favs that are Rock and some R&B like Earth,Wind & Fire.NOT Janet Jackson put it that way. Not even in a Top 500 favs list. But I don’t have anger and extreme Hatred to her.

Also Simon Le Bon and John Taylor was the best choices possible for Roxy Music. This can easily lead to a Nomination later this year. They are one of the few synth Rock bands I don’t mind. E

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/14/2019 @ 12:14pm


I know I mentioned it before, but Sheryl Crow inducted Fleetwood Mac, so it was probably unlikely they would have her induct Stevie Nicks also. In a recent Rolling Stone article, Stevie talked about how she "adopted" Harry Styles and called him the son she never had. So the choice of Harry as her presenter is not as out of the blue as it may initially seem. Plus, I'm sure it helps garner some interest from a younger demographic.

There is video of Harry and Stevie doing "Leather and Lace" together. I hope they do it at the Induction ceremony.

Posted by Greg P. on Thursday, 03/14/2019 @ 14:04pm


Styles really seems to connect well personally with the classic rock folks. Mick Jagger has also expressed fondness for him and wanted Styles to portray the young Mick Jagger in a potential film role.

One Direction was a pretty typical modern boy band (I've got a grand-daughter who was a fan, so I am well aware of their music) - complete manufactured product with unmemorable empty pop songs that sound like every other pop song on the radio.

Styles though made a fairly competent solo album that showed a lot more Rock influences. "Sign Of The Times" is a pretty decent old school power-ballad type of song. He also regularly plays "The Chain" in concert since going solo. So add that in to the equation with his duet with Stevie, as evidence of his affinity.

I think the inclusion of Styles and Janelle Monae are basically an attempt to draw in the eyes of some of the younger audience. But both are choices that make some sort of sense, they aren't purely random like The Black Keys selection to induct Steve Miller was.

The Hall actually seems to have put more effort into selecting a solid list of good presenters this year.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 03/14/2019 @ 14:55pm


I do also have a lot of 80s acts as favs. Some of those are Cyndi Lauper,Pat Benatar,Journey, Def Leppard,Joe Jackson,The Pretenders and Dire Straits. I do like some Duran Duran and Simple Minds. I don’t if all of these have a good chance at induction. As yu will Note several I listed already are

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/14/2019 @ 17:58pm


Now as far as the order of things. I think the Opening. Act may be Roxy Music. Its in the Same way that Peter Gabriel opened in 2014 and ELO opened in 2017. Those are popular but Not as popular as some other acts in those respective Years.

As for the Closiing act. Its always An act in high Demand that has No Problems going on. I say that it will be Stevie Nicks. After all the Hall went out of its way to see she was inducted. Def Leppard is also very Possible as the Closing Act. This would be Unlike last Year when The Moody Blues who started in the 60s Closed. The Zombies don’t compare at all in terms of Demand.

I have no thoughts on the Order in the Middle. I would say that Janet Jackson is a possible opener. The Hall has done that too.An attention grabber to open. Prince opened in 2004 and Van Halen opened in 2007. Any Thoughts on this.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/14/2019 @ 21:30pm


I think Def Leppard would be a logical closing act choice. They put on one of the best live shows in the last 30 years, and Pour Some Sugar on Me would be an epic closing song, as would Bringin on the Heartbreak...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 02:07am


Back on November 27, 2019, I had listed most of the 2019 Inductees, however I had not refined my list until December 1. Nonetheless, I had predicted 5/7 of the 2019 Rock Hall inductees on this list. But upon closer inspection, I had actually mentioned Radiohead as a possibility also. So, do you really think that Duran Duran is going to have to wait 2 additional years for their induction, or will they perhaps be next?


It is now December and in slightly less than 2 weeks, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five, (Roxy Music, Radiohead, The Zombies, Kraftwerk and The Zombies) Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.




Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.1.18 @ 07:34am

Once again, this is a perfect example of no one appreciating my contributions, is it not? :-(

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 05:50am


Oh incidentally, congratulations are definitely in order for Joe Kwaczala and Kristen Studard (of the “Who Cares About The Rockhall?” Podcast) for their predictions about the presenter choices for the 2019 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, with regards to: Roxy Music (Simon Le Bon and John Taylor of Duran Duran), The Zombies (Susanna Hoffs Of The Bangles), Def Leppard (Brian May) and Radiohead (David Byrne). Does the Rock Hall actually listen to you? I think that they do. Well done!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 06:12am


Had the “prog” train been derailed this year, or did it simply endure a short time delay? Over the past decade, five of the “prog” biggies had been inducted: Genesis (2010) and Peter Gabriel, as a solo artist (2014) and of course the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) with Rush being inducted in 2013, Yes being inducted in 2017 and the “prog” godfathers- The Moody Blues being inducted in 2018. Additionally, Electric Light Orchestra (2017), Deep Purple (2016) and Chicago (2016) had joined them. Also, we now have 2 additional “prog” adjacent artists inducted: Heart (2013) and Journey (2017).

This year, three of the more peripheral “prog” artists are being inducted (Radiohead, The Zombies and Roxy Music) and two of their presenters are also from “prog” bands: David Byrne- former member of previous inductee- Talking Heads (2002) and Simon Le Bon and John Taylor of Duran Duran- yet to be inducted, but most probably in (2020).

So, which “prog” bands do you think will receive a nomination later this year and an induction next year?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 06:41am


You know what I'm predicting Def Leppard as the closing act. I heard they put on a Good live show. 2 Years ago I figure an Arena rock band could have closed with Journey if Steve Perry had sang. Journey had a problem in that Steve Perry didnt want to sing. Therefore the Closing act was Pearl Jam.

This year the most in demand act is actually Def Leppard and so I realize they are logical as the Closing act.

Either Janet Jackson or Stevie Nicks are suitable as Opening acts. I choose Stevie Nicks as my prediction to open. However, Janet Jackson may perform right after. It seems to make sense.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 09:56am


It is now December and in slightly less than 2 weeks, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five, (Roxy Music, Radiohead, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk and The Zombies) Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.


Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.1.18 @ 07:41am

Now let us look forward to possibly these inductees next year!

1. Carly Simon
2. Sade
3. Duran Duran
4. Jethro Tull
5. The Monkees, or The Bangles
6. Doobie Brothers
7. Pat Benatar
8. Tina Turner (as a solo artist)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 10:31am


@ Enig

Expect the class of 2020 to look like this if seven is not the new norm:

Motley Crue
Cher
Duran Duran
Rage Against The Machine
Jethro Tull
Notorious BIG

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 10:47am


There is No way I will predict any Inductees for 2020 but I will Predict 10 nominees Right Now. I already did this but I improved it.

Bad Company
Beck
Blood,Sweat & Tears
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Jethro Tull
Carole King
Kraftwerk
Motley Crue
The Spinners

There is a Partial list of nominee predictions for 2020.
It has its diversity.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 11:25am


Those of us who love Depeche Mode were slightly annoyed that the Cure made it in first, but they really are equals when it comes to contributions of the pioneers of new wave. That being said, Depeche Mode is one I expect to be inducted next year. Duran Duran is also a deserving act...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 13:28pm


I am NOT a huge fan of 80s alternative and New Wave. I am NOT a fan of the Cure either. But I am fair and felt the Cure were soo popular on Colleges in the 80s that they couldn’t be ignored even by me. I Never dug the Hairstyle Of those guys.

I AM much more in with Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks this year. I dig the Roxy Music pick as well. I suppose Depeche Mode will be inducted too to be fair. I have always disliked Depeche Mode. Way too synth for me. But I will be fair about it. The thing is Duran Duran are slightly more universal than Depeche.Its hard to say how that goes. My music tastes lead me more to Duran Duran. They had a little more Guitar.
Actually Kraftwerk probably have more chance for next year than Depeche since they have been Nominated so many times. Kraftwerk are in my Partial list above.

Getting back to what I really like and support. Next year could bring nominations Pat Benatar and the Bangles. Those are 80s acts ignored so far.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 15:20pm


FRL Regulars,
I started a new blog series ‘Rock Hall Contenders,’ where I evaluate a different artist’s career and whether they merit a Rock Hall nomination. It only cover artists who haven’t gotten Inducted (mostly never nominated) and eligible artists (first record released before 1994). The first artist chosen is Gloria Estefan. Here’s the link to it, please let me know what you think of it either on Twitter or in the comments section.

https://audiovisualrepository.squarespace.com/blog/rockhallcontendersgloriaestefan

Posted by Nick on Friday, 03/15/2019 @ 18:27pm


This is Now my full list of Predictions for 2020 RnR Hall of Fame nominees


Pat Benatar
Blood,Sweat & Tears
Devo
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Carole King
Kraftwerk
Motley Crue
Notorious BIG
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/16/2019 @ 11:03am


HOW MICK MARS HAS LIVED WITH ANKYLOSING SPONDYLITIS

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Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 03/17/2019 @ 13:58pm


With any Hall of Fame, once the person is dead, it becomes less of an imperative to induct them sooner than later since they'll never receive the honor.

Dick Dale, therefore, should be expected to "get in" via the Singles category.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 03/17/2019 @ 22:43pm


Regarding Depeche Mode and Duran Duran, very hard to see how either would NOT be inducted the next time they are on a ballot, especially with a class size of 6 or 7 Performers. Now, it's just a question of WHEN they will next be on the ballot rather than a question of WHEN they will be inducted.

About another 15 already eligible artists fit that description as well. Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Smashing Pumpkins - all would get in immediately if they were just on the ballot.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 03/17/2019 @ 22:46pm


HOLY S— THIS IS HEAVY': WHEN MOTLEY CRUE FIRST SAW ‘THE DIRT’

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/jeff-tremaine-motley-crue-dirt-movie/

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/19/2019 @ 15:03pm


Haven’t posted here in a long time, but Troy Smith has reported that every inductee (including a few members of Radiohead) will be at the ceremony.

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2019/03/members-of-radiohead-to-attend-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-ceremony.html

Tweet:
https://twitter.com/troylsmith/status/1108115274925047813?s=20

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 03/19/2019 @ 18:23pm


I think we chatted about the tunes to be played by each Inductee. I will need some help with 1 or 2 of the Inductees

The Cure-In Between Days
Friday I'm in Love
Love Song

Def Leppard-Foolin
Photograph
Pour Some Sugar On Me

Janet Jackson-Black Cat
Escapade
Again

Stevie Nicks-Stop Draggin My Heart Around
Stand Back
Edge of Seventeem

Radiohead-Not Performing as Far as We know

Roxy Music-Virginia Plain
Avalon
Love is the Drug

The Zombies-She's Not There
Tell Her No
Time of the Season

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/19/2019 @ 18:51pm


Does anyone else have thoughts on the Song lists. Surely some out there knows more about the Cure out there. I said I am Fair with the Hall but I do NOT know the Cure very well. Friends in College did. I was NOT a New waver in the 80s. I came out up with those 3 tunes for the Cure based on vague knowledge. The Cure co existed with Def Leppard in the 80s. I think I am on the mark with my Def Leppaed song picks. Foolin, Photograph and Pour Some Sugar on Me seem likely. I am somewhat strong with my Roxy Music and Zombies. I do know several hits by the Zombies. I would NOT expect The Zombies to play anything obscure. They had a bunch of hits 1964-1969. Ok everyone go ahead and chime in with song picks

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/20/2019 @ 09:16am


IMO, Cure's best song is 'Just Like Heaven'. Will be surprised (a bit) if they do not do that one. They have a bunch they could do.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 03/20/2019 @ 15:25pm


NIKKI SIXX ON MOTLEY CRUE’S REPUTATION: ‘EVERYBODY THINKS YOU’RE AN ANIMAL’

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/nikki-sixx-motley-crue-reputation/

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 03/20/2019 @ 17:47pm


Would be interesting if Janet decides to just accept her induction but not perform like her brothers infamously didn't in 1997 and 2001 respectively. MJ claimed a hip incident forced him not to perform (but I think he faked it so he wouldn't have to perform).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 03/20/2019 @ 18:01pm


Paul in KY,

Thanks for your input on the Cure. They are one of those groups I was never a fan of that I have some knowledge of but Not that much. I would not have thought of Just Like Heaven. Not sure I know that one.

Now Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks are 2 acts for this year I know a lot about. I know various albums by Stevie Nicks. I don’t know if I’m that proud of that. She had some small hits like I Can’t Wait and Rooms on Fire. I doubt she will perform those.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/20/2019 @ 21:11pm


Actually Perhaps my Roxy Music picks could be improved as Well. Enig can step in with that one. I only know several tunes by them. They can be thought of as Prog. They are the only act this year Prog oriented in some way.

Def Leppard,Stevie Nicks And the Zombies I have very strong knowledge of. I know lots of songs by Janet Jackson whether I want to or Not. She had lots of Hits. She is Not my Cup Of tea other than the fact that her music works at a Party.

That leaves the Cure that I know some stuff from due to New Wave friends and there is Radiohead. I do NOT know Radiohead much at alll.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/21/2019 @ 10:25am


My guesses for the Singles inducted:

Stand By Me - Ben E. King
American Pie - Don McLean
Please Mr. Postman - The Marvelettes
In The Still Of The Night - The Five Satins
My Guy - Mary Wells

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 03/21/2019 @ 17:44pm


Oh Yeah. I forgot about the Singles category.
These are my guesses for the Singles inducted:

In the Still of the Night-The Five Satins(1954)
Maybe-The Chantels(1958)
Please Mr. Postman-The Marvelettes(1961)
It's My Party-Lesley Gore(1963)
Hold What You've Got-Joe Tex(1964)
Fire-Crazy World of Arthur Brown(1968)

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/22/2019 @ 11:34am


Dude, can you ask Roy what he does so his links actually work in the post?

Would make it much easier to go to these Loudwire articles you have referenced.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 03/22/2019 @ 12:50pm


@ Paul

Sure, it should be more convenient to access to another page rather copying and pasting it. I’ve already seen the Dirt; it wasn’t bad imo. The cast weren’t on a Bohemian Rhapsody quality-level (which I wasn’t expecting), but pretty spot on nonetheless. I just wish it was a little longer to tell more on the Crue’s history.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/22/2019 @ 16:19pm


You have to post the links before your text.

Skip one line.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/22/2019 @ 16:54pm


https://ultimateclassicrock.com/motley-crue-greg-leon/

INTRODUCING MOTLEY CRUE’S EARLY MYSTERY MAN, GREG LEON

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/22/2019 @ 17:40pm


Classic Rock,

I have seen you on here a lot. I will address you on this since you did guesses for the Singles inducted.

First of all you know what. Steppenwolf are unlikely to be nominated any time soon as performer. They were inducted with Born to Be Wild. I will have to replace them.

As for the guesses of Singles inducted this year. We have a couple in common. Now even though American Pie is a rather good choice on the surface. I think the Hall will stick with 50s and 60s for quite awhile. They seem to be going for the 50s and 60s archives. A Joe Tex hit and the hit for Crazy World of Arthur Brown fits perfect. Let me know what you think.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 09:25am


http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/motley-crue-movie-the-dirt-is-hated-by-critics-loved-by-fans-says-nikki-sixx/

MÖTLEY CRÜE Movie 'The Dirt' Is Hated By Critics, Loved By Fans, Says NIKKI SIXX

Don’t listen to the critics on the Dirt! Most of them are just hipsters in nature who think they’re smarter than anybody. The acting was surprisingly pretty spot on, and Motley Crue’s history was incredibly accurate like a biopic SHOULD be. If NWA made it cause of their movie, then the Crue will get nominated and inducted.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 09:59am


I will Now adjust my Predictions for the 2020 RnR Hall Of Fame.

Pat Benatar
Blood,Sweat & Tears
Devo
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Carole King
Kraftwerk
Motley Crue
Notorious BIG
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
The Spinners
TinaTurner
Tommy James & the Shondells

There you go. I replaced Steppenwolf with Tommy James & the Shondells. That’s in light of Steppenwolf inducted for Born to be Wild

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 13:02pm


Ben,
I like your singles picks except for Fire. It’s not popular enough, although I like it and it seems to have influenced Alice Cooper at least.
They use this category to add songs from artists who are probably never getting in otherwise.

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 17:51pm


Classic Rock,

I see what you are saying. But we can certainly say that Crazy World Of Arthur Brown are probably never getting in otherwise. Acts like Tommy James and the Shondells and the Turtles can stilll very possibly be inducted the regular way. I mean another late 60s hit that comes to mind is Green Tambourine. I in fact think Fire had more influence than that tune. I would have re think it a bit if I have time.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 20:40pm


Classic Rock,

I figured it out. Here is my adjusted list of guesses for the singles inducted.

In the Still of the Night-The Five Satins(1954)
Maybe-The Chantels(1958)
Please Mr. Postman-The Marvelettes(1961)
It's My Party-Lesley Gore(1963)
Hold What You've Got-Joe Tex(1964)
Let's Live for Today-The Grass Roots(1967)

How is that? I remember now how much trouble I had trying to download Fire on Itunes. It is NOT available on Itunes. So that indicates Not popular enough. Now the Grass Roots I think are still known by a couple age groups for their hit Let's Live for Today. I am not sure how much chance they being inducted in the regular way. As a matter of fact I think there is a punk type band that did a remake in the early 80s. This huge hit is as known as Whiter Shade of Pale by a couple older age groups.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 21:54pm


Ben,
I posted my HOF Singles predictions on my blog a few days ago. Here they are -

Don McLean - American Pie (1971)
Little Eva - The Loco-Motion (1962)
Screamin’ Jay Hawkins - I Put a Spell On You (1956)
The Penguins - Earth Angel (1954)
The Sugarhill Gang - Rapper’s Delight (1979)
The Troggs - Wild Thing (1966)

Detailed analysis posted here, let me know what you think and I’m genuinely curious to hear your thoughts. https://audiovisualrepository.squarespace.com/blog/2019/3/21/predictions-for-the-2019-hof-singles-category

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 21:59pm


Ben,

No offense, but I really hate that list of Singles' predictions. Not just because I hate the Singles category, but Lesley Gore, the Marvelettes, the Grass Roots, and Joe Tex had way too many hits, and hits that weren't considered derivative of those big ones. It's bad enough with Chubby Checker and Steppenwolf already getting improperly reduced like that. We don't need to do that to every '60s act that has a semi-decent argument or chance if they got nominated, but you don't really care for because that would mean derailing the prog, indie, or '80's and '90's train that you're aboard.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 22:12pm


Sorry, I meant Nick, not Ben.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 22:15pm


Shit! I was right the first time with Ben! Gah, I've been working too hard.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 22:16pm


Phillip,
I’m so confused. Ben predicted the ones you mentioned in your response.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 22:17pm


Just saw your last post Phillip. No worries! Would love to hear your thoughts, although I agree that I really dislike this Singles category the more I think about it.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 22:19pm


I had listed my Singles Inductions months ago. However, it's nice to see others choices for the Singles.
1. Ben E. King-Stand By Me
2. The Youngbloods-Get Together
3. The Association-Never My Love
4. The Guess Who-American Woman
5. The Byrds-Turn, Turn, Turn
6. The Marvelettes-Please Mr. Postman
7. (BONUS)Gram & Emmy Lou-Love Hurts
I guess for The Association could get Cherish or Windy inducted instead. The Association deserves some kind of recognition. The Byrds have already been inducted but Turn, Turn, Turn is 1 of the best songs ever recorded. Maybe, Ben E. King's solo chances are slimmer now after denied in 3 earlier nominations. Stand By Me is a classic song. Although, I love Spanish Harlem too. KING 👑

Posted by KING on Saturday, 03/23/2019 @ 23:38pm


Roy, thank you for your advice. Dude, can't wait to read some of the links you have! Appreciate you doing that!

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 03/24/2019 @ 09:48am


Philip,

I am always open minded especially with this category. As a matter of fact I love the Grass Roots. They had a few hit. Where Were you when I need You, Let's Live For Today, Midnight Confessions. I own their greatest hits. I was predicting the stupidity of the Hall. I love Steppenwolf. It is actually ridiculous that Steppenwolf are only inducted for Born to Be Wild.
To avoid confusion and Give the Hall the benefit of the Doubt I will withdraw both Joe Tex and Grass Roots.


In the Still of the Night-The Five Satins(1954)
Maybe-The Chantels(1958)
The Locomotion-Little Eva(1962)
Wipeout-The Surfaris(1963)
Red Rubber Ball-The Cyrkle(1966)
Spooky-Classics IV(1968)

This list may in fact end up wrong. Last year the Hall picked some songs from acts previously nominated the regular way. These are all worthy songs that could be picked this year. This list is fair.

The first song pick is dedicated to my Dad. He knew it when it was released in 1954. I played In the Still of the Night on my Ipod a month before he died. By 1963 My Dad was Not quite as in tune with the Pop Charts. I doubt he was into Wipe Out too much.

The Cyrkle had a huge Top 10 hit in 1966 with Red Rubber Ball. It was written by Paul Simon. The Cyrkle made it the hit it was. The Cyrkle did not have a lot of other hits at all. It's a great song. The Classic IV had a few hits but the most known is Spooky. I could have picked Stormy but I think Spooky was their biggest hit. You can respond to this adjusted list.



Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/24/2019 @ 10:05am


Philip,

I changed my list of predictions. This is more or less my opinion list rather than pure Predictions. The Hall was foolish last year with Both Procol Harum And Steppenwolf. I happen to like Monster a lot. Anyway in the Chance the Hall is Not foolish again I changed my list of Singles. This list eliminates acts that have a semi decent chance of being nominated. But will the Hall agree. They took short cuts for acts that have been nominated. I am interested in your thoughts on my new list.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/24/2019 @ 13:22pm


What about this possible order in the ceremony?

01. Tribute to whoever had passed away during the previous year.
02. Def Leppard
03. Stevie Nicks
04. The Cure
05. The Singles
06. Janet Jackson
07. In Memoriam
08. Radiohead
09 The Zombies
10. Roxy Music

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/24/2019 @ 15:11pm


Enig,

I was about to agree with Your lineup But Roxy Music will NOT be the Closer. It always an Act loved alll around the USA and the world. This year that’s Def Leppard. Here is my predicted Order for the Ceremony.

1. Tribute to whoever passed away the previous Year.
2. Stevie Nicks
3.The Cure
4. The Singles
5. Janet Jackson
6. In Memoriam
7. Radiohead
8. The Zombies
9. Roxy Music
10. Def Leppard
I agree with most of your order.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/24/2019 @ 19:49pm


What about this possible order in the ceremony?

01. Tribute to whoever had passed away during the previous year.
02. Def Leppard
03. Stevie Nicks
04. The Cure
05. The Singles
06. Janet Jackson
07. In Memoriam
08. Radiohead
09. The Zombies
10. Roxy Music

Well, what do you think?

Ben,

Although I agree with you completely that Def Leppard had the most votes from the general public, it is quite possible that the overall vote leader may have been Roxy Music, instead? . Do you remember how Bon Jovi had been the opening act of the 2018 ceremony, however because of their overall votes, The Moody Blues had been the closer?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 03/25/2019 @ 03:45am


Enig,

I am confused on definitions here. When you say votes from the general public do you mean the Fan Vote? And overall Vote is the Votes of the Voting body?

Even if that's so when a Closer is chosen I believe it is a combination of Appeal to the General public and homage to a Highly ampicitated act. They also factor in problems with an act for the Closer. That in fact happened I believe in 2016. Deep Purple, Chicago and even Steve Miller all had some kind of problems. The problem Steve Miller he was not inducted as the Steve Miller Band. They snubbed his band members. And so the Closer was Cheap Trick.

Anyway we don't have that problem here. Def Leppard are the most anticipated inductee with the General public this year. They are all set to go. The Hall goes with what the General public wants at the ceremony the most. And that means it is the Closer. Last year was ultimate with Moody Blues as the Closer. That was a homage to their greatness. An act closes for a few reasons

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/25/2019 @ 07:52am


@ Ben

I think he was referring to the fan ballot, the Zombies probably had the most votes from the voting body.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/25/2019 @ 09:24am


The Dude,

That's probably the case. Since a lot of the Voting Body is over 60 a lot of them would vote for the Zombies. A lot of them were there during their heyday.

I would Not think Roxy Music had the most votes from the Voting body. Furthermore Roxy Music were much bigger in Britain and Europe. Usually the Closing act has a lot of momentum. Thats the usual. In 2013 Rush had a lot of momentum. In 2014 Nirvana although I dislike them a lot had momentum by virtue of kicking off a movement in the early 90s.

2015 had Ringo Starr to close. We know why that happened. He was in the most famous group of all time. So coming back to 2019 Roxy Music just doesn't have that momentum. Thats what the Hall wants in the ceremony. And so its pretty clear Def Leppard will be the closer.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/25/2019 @ 10:01am


To me, if not Def Leppard (and I will be surprised if not them), then Stevie Nicks or The Cure.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 03/25/2019 @ 10:26am


Ben,

Yes, when I had referred to the general public, I had meant the Fan vote. The overall vote had referred to the votes of the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Voting body. We do know that Roxy Music had received quite a few votes from the critics and from other members of the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Did they receive the most? We do not really know for certain. However, in 2014, Nirvana had been the closer and in 2017, Pearl Jam had been the closer. Even though, they had not been the leaders in the Fan Vote. Had they not? So, it may be possible that Roxy Music may be the closer this year. Please remember that four of their albums were listed in the top 500 albums by the journalists at Rolling Stone Magazine including: “Avalon,” “Country Life,” “Siren” and “For Your Pleasure.”

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 03/25/2019 @ 10:57am


Enig,

It is possible that Roxy Music got lots of Votes from Critics. But usually it’s an act with Lots Of popularity and Momentum. The Exception in Recent Years is Cheap Trick Closing In 2016. I scratched my head on that one at the time. When I thought about in 2016 I think it’s because of the Problems Both Chicago And Steve Miller had. Chicago did NOT have Peter Cetera sing. That took away from the momentum.

In 2017 Pearl Jam was easy to see as the Closing act. However it could easily have been Journey. But it was NOT the Ultimate Journey reunion Everyone hoped for.

Again for this Year I will be surprised if it’s not Def Leppard. Stevie Nicks is a small possibility. But Don’t worry I do NOT expect Janet Jackson as the Closing act. I don’t think so. She is inducted but she is Pop.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/25/2019 @ 12:15pm


Yeah, Def Leppard probably closes the show. A fully cooperative and enthusiastic Radiohead would have been the no doubt choice, but no Tom Yorke makes that impossible. If the rest of the band is there it would be pretty cool for them to play with David Byrne.

I'm going to guess that they open with an Aretha Franklin tribute.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 03/25/2019 @ 12:30pm


Gassman,

There is an opinion I could agree with In General. Def Leppard Probably Closes the show. A Fully cooperative and enthusiastic Radiohead could Have been the choice for Closing choice but No Thom Yorke takes away a lot of momentum. I am NOT a fan at all. I don’t know their music much at all. I don’t Like Nirvana but I expected them to Close in 2014. They were soo Huge in the 90s. Nirvana were one of the Biggest acts of the 90s. So Radiohead could have Closed in the same way this Year But clearly Not. I know they were a Very popular act of the 90s. There are plenty of acts over the years that lost their chance to Close because of their dislike for the Hall.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/25/2019 @ 13:21pm


With Queen's place in pop culture right now due to the Bohemian Rhapsody movie, and Brian May doing the inductin, I too think Def Leppard is the headliner, with Brian May sitting in for a song.

I predict it will go:

Roxy Music -> Radiohead -> The Zombies -> Janet Jackson -> The Cure -> Stevie Nicks -> Def Leppard, with breaks in there somewhere for the in memorium segment and the Singl;es category.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 03/25/2019 @ 13:30pm


So Bill Wyman (The Critic) updated his ranking of all the inductees to include this year.

The Cure is #123.
Def Leppard is #218 (Third to last!)
Janet Jackson is #109.
Radiohead is #54.
Roxy Music is #40.
Stevie Nicks is #213.
The Zombies is #171.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 00:17am


Philip,

I was looking forward to your thoughts on my new improved list of guesses for the Singles.

Again here it is.

In the Still of the Night- The Five Satins(1954}
Maybe- The Chantels(1958)
The Locomotion- Little Eva(1962)
Wipeout- The Surfaris(1963)
Red Rubber Ball-The Cyrkle(1966)
Spooky- The Classics IV(1968)

This would be a good list of Singles if it happens. But now the thing is these predictions may be somewhat wrong. We can hope. They may in fact use a couple 60s groups that deserve a regular induction. We will find out in a few days.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 08:10am


Shrek,

I must admit that you have chosen an interesting order for your inductions. Of course, I had chosen the exact order for the H.B.O. Induction ceremony several months prior to last year’s ceremony.

Ben,

I do not own any Bon Jovi albums. They had been nominated previously in 2011, therefore their previous nomination may have something to do with the order of induction. Didn’t Journey win the fan vote this year? Yet, they did not headline; Pearl Jam did. The Moody Blues had never been nominated previously, yet they had garnered nearly 950,000 votes. It is possible that The Moody Blues will co-headline the ceremony, as well. If I were to venture to guess what would be the order of induction, it might look like this.

The Cars
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Dire Straits
Nina Simone
The Moody Blues
Bon Jovi

Of course, here is another possibility:

Dire Straits
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Nina Simone
The Cars
Bon Jovi
The Moody Blues

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.23.17 @ 15:46pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 08:41am


Bon Jovi went first last year.

Posted by Greg P. on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 09:09am


Follower,

It is really no surprise at all. For the most part, the bands which require the most intelligence, in order to appreciate, are near the bottom of the list, i.e. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) aka the “holy trinity of prog.” Obviously the critic Bill Wyman hates progressive rock and in so doing shows that his I.Q. Is most probably the reciprocal of my own.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 09:37am


Shrek & Ben,

If the order of inductors is correct, then the H.B.O. Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony will begin with Stevie Nicks and end with The Zombies. Even though Def Leppard had received the most Fan votes this year, that number is a small drop in the bucket compared to the votes from previous years. Ben, I suspect that in 2013, Rush did not only receive the most Fan votes, but also the most votes overall. The individuals who had most probably been most out of place had been the members who did not include them among their inductee
choices.

So based upon their most recent advertisement, here is the possible H.B.O order:

Stevie Nicks
Janet Jackson
Def Leppard
Radiohead
Roxy Music
The Cure
The Zombies

But who really knows for certain?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 10:07am


Follower,

It is really no surprise at all. For the most part, the bands which require the most intelligence, in order to appreciate, are near the bottom of the list, i.e. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) aka the “holy trinity of prog.” Obviously the critic Bill Wyman hates progressive rock and in so doing, shows that his I.Q. Is most probably the mathematical reciprocal of my I.Q.

So sorry, but I had to clarify that earlier statement.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 10:20am


This Bill Wyman guy is a great critic I'm sure. That being said, I can list all 220 inductees in my order and no one would agree with them exactly, either. There are those that are going to agree with him Def Leppard doesn't belong. There are others who are going to list them as a long overdue best ever. Music critics are more subjective because everyone has a taste in music more than many other media. We listen to it every day, songs shape our life experiences.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 13:30pm


I guarantee that the ceremony will not start out with back to back inductions of the two female honorees. Plus even if the HBO advertisement for the ceremony is to be used for determining stage order, and you base it on the list of presenters rather than on the list of the performers - then general industry ad practice is to list the headliner at the top, and the headliner would come on last. The Headliner for the inductees and the presenters both would point to Stevie Nicks.

Last year Bon Jovi was the top listed act on the HBO ad, and Howard Stern on the presenters. Bon Jovi wound up being the first group inducted but were the final group on the actual tv show. But go back one more year, and HBO had Joan Baez as the top billing in the ads for the year ad was the second inductee in the ceremony. Kendrick Lamar was the top listed presenter, for Tupac, which was the fourth induction of the night. So I think relying too heavily on the advertising is a bit risky.

As stated, "Who knows?" - All of us are just guessing - that's what we do around here!

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 14:47pm


BTW, Bon Jovi was only first last year because Howard Stern was literally flying back out the very second he finished his induction speech. And that's what happened. It was to accommodate Stern.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 15:26pm


Bill Withers (the writer, not the bassist) is a troll douche who writes to impress his friends. Another critic douche who thinks he’s the hippest cat in the room.

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 18:10pm


Sorry, Bill Wyman, not Bill Withers. Bill Wyman is a douche. My apologies to the Withers family. Note to moderator(s), allow posters to update/correct their posts.

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 18:12pm


Ben,

I appreciate the esteem you have for my opinion. I too am just spitballling, but Chubby was a hell of a lot more than "The Twist" and they still did that to him. Your initial guess may be right after all.

For this one, I don't think the last two are likely. "Red Rubber Ball" wasn't all that monumental of a song, best remembered more for being written by Paul Simon than for being recorded by the Cyrkle. "Spooky" is also not that important, and given the decidedly MOR direction that the Classics IV would go after "Spooky" and "Stormy," I don't see any song of theirs being honored, especially if Little Steven has never fought for them at the meeting before the Feast Of The Giant Hoagie.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 20:06pm


My guess for induction order:

The Zombies
Janet Jackson
Roxy Music
The Cure
Radiohead
(In Memoriam with Aretha Franklin Tribute)
Stevie Nicks
Def Leppard

All that assuming that none of the inductees or presenters have a time crunch, though they might swap Stevie and Janet around to get Harry Styles off stage before his bedtime. ;)

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 03/26/2019 @ 20:11pm


Philip,

Thanks for your response. I got a lot of 60s knowledge. I think what happened here is when I withdrew the Marvelettes, Lesley Gore,Joe Tex and Grass Roots with acts that had the one or 2 hits you realized that my first initial guess may be right. That's cool.

My first list was not a wish list but predictions of what the Hall would do. I mean I love Steppenwolf. They are known for a lot more than Born to Be Wild and they still did that to them. My initial guess was based on what the Hall did last year. Hey you said you hated my list of Singles predictions so I changed it. I will just keep it. The ceremony is in a couple days. So we will just see what happens. Besides I don't like the Singles category too much either.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/27/2019 @ 08:54am


Philip, Shrek and Ben,

If the order of inductors is correct, then the H.B.O. Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony will begin with Stevie Nicks and end with The Zombies. Even though Def Leppard had received the most Fan votes this year, that number is a small drop in the bucket compared to the votes from previous years.

Ben, I suspect that in December, 2012, Rush had not only received the most Fan votes, but also had the most votes overall. The individuals who had most probably been most out of place had been the Rock Hall members who had not included Rush among their inductee choices and had been proud enough to show everyone else their ballots?

So based upon their most recent advertisement, here is the possible H.B.O order:

Stevie Nicks
Janet Jackson
Def Leppard
Radiohead
Roxy Music
The Cure
The Zombies


Of course, this is the order of inductees which I would prefer instead:

01. Def Leppard?
02. Stevie Nicks- opens with ‘Edge Of Seventeen’ and closes with ‘Stand Back.’
03. The Cure?
04. Radiohead?
05. Janet Jackson?
06. The Zombies- opens with ‘Tell Her No,’ ‘She’s Not There’ and then closes with ‘Time Of The Season.’
07. Roxy Music- opens with ‘More Than This,’ ‘The Thrill Of It All,’ or ‘Out Of The Blue,’ ‘Do The Strand’ and then closes with either ‘Love Is The Drug,’ or ‘To Turn You On.’
08. Ending Jam with a cover of ‘Jealous Guy,’ by the late John Lennon


It is just a suggestion. But who really knows for certain?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 03/27/2019 @ 11:07am


Enigmaticus -

As I pointed out in my last post, if you look at the HBO ads for the past two years, they do not map well to the actual induction order; and even if the posters *were* some kind of clue, then generally the person at the top of the ad would be the "headliner" and headliners go on last. So based on the ad, Stevie Nicks would be the headliner, and would be expected to go on last.

But, again, two years ago, Joan Baez was the top name on the HBO ad, and last year Bon Jovi was. So there hasn't been consistency in the past two years between the HBO ad order and the induction order.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 03/27/2019 @ 15:04pm


Well, we can speculate all we want to about the order of the ceremony. In any event, it should be quite interesting. Now, as far as inducted Singles go. I do have some ideas:

01. American Pie by Don McLean (1971)
02. MacArthur Park by Jimmy Webb (1968)
03. Classical Gas by Mason Williams (1968)
04. Wichita Lineman by Jimmy Webb (1968)
05. Brandy (You’re A Fine Girl) by Looking Glass (1972)
06. Incense & Peppermints by Strawberry Alarm Clock (1967)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 03/28/2019 @ 10:07am


If I were to speculate on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Doobie Brothers
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner
10. The Spinners
11. The Monkees
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Iron Maiden
14. Twisted Sister
15. Depeche Mode
16. Eurythmics
17. Rage Against The Machine
18. OutKast
19. Soundgarden

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 03/28/2019 @ 10:20am


@ Enig

Have ya seen the Dirt on Netflix? Motley Crue will be the next 80’s hard rock band - and maybe the last - to get nominated and inducted. I don’t think Twisted Sister will ever get in. I also don’t think it’s the right time to nominate Maiden yet, since they wouldn’t get enough votes if they get nominated this year. You need not only the Crue for it to happen, but also Foreigner, Boston, Bad Company and Judas Priest; that should be enough for them.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 03/28/2019 @ 12:04pm


I'm not sure Dirt actually helps the case for Motley Crue; because it focused so much more on the controversies and band dramas rather than elevating their music.

Enigmaticus - We only have one year to base precedent based opinions on; but I feel very strongly that the HOF will *never* induct two songs by the same artist in the same year; especially not so early on in the categories history when they have the entire history of recorded music to sort through.

"American Pie" does seem like a big contender that I've seen a n umber of people nominate. Personally, I think it's one of the most overrated songs in history; but I don't discount that it had huge cultural impact and I try not to put my personal tastes ahead of such historical acknowledgement. I think it's got a strong shot.

My try at predictions for singles are:

Screamin' Jay Hawkins - "I Put A Spell On You"
The Big Bopper - "Chantilly Lace"
The Troggs - "Wild Thing"
Bobby Fuller Four - "I Fought The Law"
Iron Butterfly - "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida"
Gloris Gaynor - "I Will Survive"

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 03/28/2019 @ 12:50pm


Shrek,

Which acts do you see being nominated for the 2020 Rock Hall class?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/28/2019 @ 12:53pm


“I'm not sure Dirt actually helps the case for Motley Crue; because it focused so much more on the controversies and band dramas rather than elevating their music.“

- Shrek

In a business sense, the Hall loves controversies and band dramas cause that draws more crowds. As weird as it sounds, those two things are pretty much part of the criteria. That helped Van Halen to get in.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 03/28/2019 @ 13:19pm


The Rock Hall's Instagram page has been putting up some great pictures and stories from rehearsals for the ceremony. They just posted a picture of Little Steven, and the caption read "prepping for our speech on the 6 Hall of Fame Singles that will be honored". So we have confirmation that there will be 6 again. They also posted pictures of both Roxy Music and The Zombies rehearsing. The Roxy Music caption made reference to "More Than This", so that might be one of their performance songs.

Posted by Greg P. on Thursday, 03/28/2019 @ 14:40pm


Updating my Singles picks based on they appear to be doing 6 songs:
Wild Thing - The Troggs
Stand By Me - Ben E. King
American Pie - Don McLean
Please Mr. Postman - The Marvelettes
In The Still Of The Night - The Five Satins
My Guy - Mary Wells

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 03/28/2019 @ 16:35pm


To me, the main voting block seems adverse to overly controversial loud bands. Black Sabbath took a long time to get in; The Sex Pistols took multiple nominations; Judas Priest apparently got a very small percentage of votes.

NWA got passed over a couple times, but Straight Outta Compton did a good job of elevating their music above the controversy, and giving context to why it was important *art* that was fed from the community that they sprang from. It spent time on highlighting where the lyrics came from, on how Dr Dre developed his musical knowledge and skills, and why Eazy-E was so instrumental to the success of the band as a lead rapper even though he wasn't that talented. I totally see how that movie helped the band to break through with the main voting block (which is predominantly old white men).

Dirt did supply a little bit of backstory to build sympathy for the physical struggles of Mars and to highlight Neil's strength's as a singer and charisma with the ladies, and to highlight how important Sixx was as the actual songwriter for the band. Tommy Lee was generally played for laughs throughout including the brief mention of his acrobatic revolving drum kit routine; they basically suggest he was hired due to having some flashy style, rather than highlighting truly that he has great drum fundamentals to anchor the band. One of the few times you really get a solid audience reaction to the band's music is for their first gig when the audience loves the band for getting into a fight rather than due to the music they played. They really miss out on properly displaying the impact of the band's music, or things like Nikki Sixx's guitar engine simulation (you hear the sound briefly as the movie goes into end credits - but it would have worked differently if they had highlighted a scene with him playing that for an audience for the first time {and maybe a scene where he was inspired to create that iconic song intro}).

Dirt is an entertaining movie, but it really does nothing to elevate Motley Crue as HOF worthy, in my opinion. I think it tends to reenforce the voting panels' biases.

Van Halen got in because they were the dominating Rock band of their era, and had Eddie Van Halen, an important evolutionary guitar innovator. Innovative Guitar gods tend to do well with the voting panel.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 03/28/2019 @ 16:39pm


Probably no chance the Singles inductees leak before the ceremony (or before the Rock Hall unveils them if they do it beforehand which I doubt). There's no Singles pages up yet (still) on the Rock Hall website, so no chance for sleuthing.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 03/28/2019 @ 22:51pm


On Friday nights order of inductees/performers, maybe it has already been determined, and made public by now, I don't know. I would go with;

1. Stevie Nicks(please do Silver Spring or Landslide)

2. Radiohead

3. The Zombies

4. The Cure or Roxy Music

5. Janet Jackson

6. Roxy Music or The Cure(would love to hear Roxy Music do"Same Old Scene")

7. Def Lepperd

I can't see any reason why Def Lepperd would not close the show, with the crowd pleasing hits and great closing jams. Somebody nailed what I would think would be the song order about a week ago, which was opening with "Foolin'", then "Photograph", followed by "Pour Some Sugar". Now I would add that "Rock of Ages" would be the perfect All Star Jam to close the show. Still Rollin'..Rock n' Rollin'.. it writes itself.

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 01:04am


Will N.,

That was me who wrote that song order. Foolin,Photograph and Pour Some Sugar on Me. Foolin is a great song that is Not as big as the other 2. Many acts have done this at the Hall.

I was definitely into my share of Def Leppard during the 80s. I will stress that I am Not a fanatical fan. I am a fan of Pyromania and Hysteria. There is a lot of much older acts I like more. But Def Lep is very fine. Rock of Ages is a terrific All Star Jam.

I also want to say that my song choices for Stevie Nicks are Stop Dragging my Heart Around, Stand Back and Edge of Seventeen. I think Harry Styles will sing with Stevie on Stop Dragging.
I think Stevie Nicks will open the show after the Tribute segment start things. The Tribute would be to Aretha Franklin.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 07:14am



My guess in an order:

Aretha Franklin Tribute
Janet Jackson
The Zombies
Roxy Music
Singles Category
Stevie Nicks
Radiohead
In Memoriam
The Cure
Def Leppard

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 11:40am


The audience reactions to Dirt likely mean the band would do well with the fan vote if they got nominated. Let's see if it translates to them getting more of a push with the actual kiosk votes at the HOF. If they can wind up in the top 2 or 3 on the kiosk, that would improve their chances tremendously to get a nomination.

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 12:39pm


Ben,

Thanks. Yeah, I had been thinking the same order for a few days, and then you wrote it. "Foolin'" makes a great opener,I feel, with the lines, "Oh, I just gotta know, If you're really there, Do you really care?". Plus in 1983 it was pretty big at the time along with "Photograph", and got a ton of radio and MTV airplay. I am not a fanatic for DL either, but I do respect their formula for success and catchy tunes.
I think you are correct with Stevie and Styles doing "Stop Draggin' My Heart", I would like to see that. I think her best song, although with Fleetwood Mac, is"Silver Spring".
Should be a great show tonight, it would be awesome to be there.

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 13:07pm


It should be noted that the newsfeed here had a story recently with Def Leppard saying they were getting to do *four* songs, not just three.

I think Def Leppard open their set with "Rock Of Ages" - That nonsensical opening countdown, "Gunter glieben glauten globen" just makes for such a fun lead in hook that the audience in the venue will respond to with a huge roar of approval. It would make for a great iconic moment.

Styles has done "Leather And Lace" with Nicks, which fits his voice better than "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" does. I don't think Nicks will do any of her Fleetwood Mac catalog. Solo hits like "Stand Back" and "Edge Of Seventeen" are much more likely to be in her setlist.

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 14:28pm


I would also like to mention some other acts for tonight. It is harder to guess the Roxy Music song list. I think it will be Virginia Plain,Avalon and Love is the Drug.

The Zombies song list is rather easy to guess. They will do their biggest hits. She's Not There Tell Her No and Time of the Season. It is cool to see that a 60s act is still inducted with some ease. I am also glad The Zombies were not jipped with simply a Singles induction. They had too many hits for that and a key album Oracle and Odyssey.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 16:10pm


Agreed that The Zombies are pretty easy, though they might swap out "Tell Her No" for a deeper cut - maybe "I Love You"

I don't think Roxy Music is that hard, except for their third song. "Avalon" and "Love Is The Drug" are the two totally obvious ones. The band members when asked have spoken of doing an early period song and have named several they might do - so that's the big question. It does eliminate "More Than This" as an option which was another popular song from their late period.

The Cure to me is the hardest to try to predict because they have such a varied and deep catalog and seem the least likely (given that Radiohead isn't playing) to simply "play the hits".

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 17:38pm


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Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 17:42pm


Ooooooh juicy! In that Brian May Instagram post he mentions a "special guest that NOBODY knows about" and that he is "jazzed!"

Who is a big enough star to get Brian May all amped up for their appearance? Somebody to open the show? Somebody to sing the in memorium? A special guest to sit in with one of the band or for a potential All star jam?

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Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 17:43pm


My guess is the surprise guest is something to do with an Aretha Franklin tribute. Maybe Beyonce?

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 18:00pm


My guess is a surprise induction. Todd Rundgren anyone?

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 18:08pm


Given May's sort of secondhand inclusion of Janet Jackson and Radiohead; I'm not sure a modern artist like Beyonce would impress him enough to be "jazzed" about the appearance.

But I too was pondering a guest star he would have affinity for. I'm thinking a more legacy artist of stature. Maybe somebody like Mavis Staples (who the heck doesn't love Mavis after all?)

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 18:40pm


Hmmm. Don't know if any of these are who made Brain Mays' head turn, but Chris Issac is there, and all of the current members of Fleetwood Mac are there.

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 19:00pm


Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis are there, as they should be. They probably should have been inducted *with* Janet Jackson! 8^)

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 19:03pm


Looks like Stevie Nicks is the opener. But who will be the closing act?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 19:23pm


Stevie Nicks:
Stand Back
Leather And Lace (with Don Henley!)
Stop Dragging My Heart Around (with Harry styles)
Edge Of Seventeen

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 19:37pm


The Isley Brothers are already in the HOF, why induct Twist and Shout?

Can of worms...

If you are going to induct songs from acts already in the hall, that could get nuts.

Why not induct Like a Rolling Stone, R-E-S-P-E-C-T, Heartbreak Hotel, My Generation, etc.

Another dumb RNRHOF move...

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 21:12pm


Order so far:

Stevie Nicks
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Singles Category

Posted by Follower on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 21:16pm


GLORIA?!?! For F sakes. It's a Van Morrison song. He's in. I agree with whoever said that this is a Steven Van Zandt creation. It's like the hall said, here Steven, write 6 songs on this card and we will fill 15 minutes of the show with it. No rhyme or reason, no democratic process, no transparency. Garbage.

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 21:17pm


On a lighter note, he didn’t add “Kick Out The Jams” on the list. So, there’s at least still hope for MC5 in the future.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 21:21pm


Well, there go The Chantels' and Shangri-Las' chances of ever getting inducted. It's a good batch of singles inductees but I am perplexed by an Isley Brothers record getting in...

Posted by Casper on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 21:42pm


I'm loving the shortened acceptance speeches. This is how it ALWAYS should have been. More musical performances, less jabber (and a shorter evening at that).

And they might as well just induct 7 a year since there's always 1 or 2 that won't bother to perform, or show up, or are dead.

Other inductees should be part of an annual ceremony that I would call Rock Hall Industry Honors. Hand out the Non-Performer, Musical Excellence, Sidemen and Influences trophies with top acts doing the induction speeches/performing, etc.

I mean, with the shortened acceptance speeches, the Hall could theoretically just induct like 10 Performers a year at these gigs. Interest would be way higher, etc. Maybe limit the bands to 3-4 songs instead of 5-ish like some of tonight's inductees are going.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 21:49pm


Order update:

Stevie Nicks
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Singles Category
The Cure
Janet Jackson

Now, will Def Leppard or The Zombies close the show?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 22:04pm


Might as well point this out, Dodger Stadium is having like a Fireworks tribute to the 2019 Rock Hall inductees. It might actually be after tonight's game. They said something about it on the telecast yesterday afternoon.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 22:07pm


God, they also got tonight ABSOLUTELY right by not having dumb tribute performances. They might have one for Aretha or whatever but they did NOT have any for Radiohead or Janet Jackson which is PERFECT. If you aren't going to perform or are dead, then there's no reason that some other artist should be performing for you like some second rate tribute artist. Just move the night along and give more time to the people that came to play.

This was a truly phenomenal year with a very competitive ballot, great set of inductees (and SEVEN at that!) and a well put together show that had audiences interested and not most of the tickets going for like $5 on StubHub.

Only real cop out was the latest batch of Singles inductees revealing that entire category to just be a farce.

Rock Hall, go with 7 or MORE Performers next year and a show similar to this one. Ace work!

Posted by Casper on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 22:29pm


Disagree on the "no tribute if the artist is dead" part. Dead artists tend to be from a previous era, and a performance by somebody who knows what he's doing can be a great way to introduce the inductee to the audience. Brittany Howard of Alabama Shakes giving a tribute to Sister Rosetta Tharpe was the highlight of last year's show. For the rest you're spot on, Casper.

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 22:42pm


I think most of us were having nightmares of Coldplay covering Radiohead. Thankfully did not come to pass.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 22:49pm


Bon Jovi. Def Leppard. Motley Crue.

Crue will start cleaning up in the museum voting thanks to their new movie. They'll get on the ballot, likely win the fan vote and then be inducted. They are next in line among that triumvirate.

Only name left to induct in that sort of wheelhouse is the predecessor to all three, in some way, Judas Priest.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 22:51pm


So Chris Cornell, who was not in the Hall, gets a tribute performance, but Aretha Franklin, the first woman to be inducted, doesn't?

Skewered priorities.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 23:13pm


Eh. I think the point here is that they were filler that took away from the actual inductees on a given evening. Sticking to an annual In Memoriam video makes a lot more sense.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 03/29/2019 @ 23:34pm


Full Order!

Stevie Nicks
Radiohead
Roxy Music
Singles Category
The Cure
Janet Jackson
The Zombies
In Memoriam
Def Leppard
All Star Jam

How HBO will put it together is up to them.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 00:16am


It MIGHT be possible for HBO to include everything. They'll probably just cut a song from each artist. But the lack of anything other than a speech/award pick-up from Radiohead/Janet means they saved a lot of time. None of the songs performed are particularly long, so it's probably no more than 90 minutes of music, total, so that's just a 2 1/2 hour special if there's an hour of talking.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 00:20am


It was basically four songs a performer, five for The Cure and Roxy had a medley that got them to more than four total. So that's 17 songs.


17 x 4.5 minutes a song = just 76.5 minutes. So they can easily include all the music if they choose. Like I said, 90 minutes at most.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 00:22am


Sorry, about 22 songs and closer to 90 minutes. Five performers performed, not four. And the count goes up by one more thanks to the All Star Jam.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 00:23am


Well, since most of us including myself weren't there to see it firsthand, it looks like we missed quite a lot from tonight's ceremony. Or maybe not. Sure sounds like a lot of weirdness went on, but nothing extreme if you know what I mean. This is judging from tweets from those who were there in person.

About the Singles Category: Well, none of my 15 predictions made the cut. (I wrote a blog about it back in October) Six classic songs did:
"Maybe" - the Chantels
"Leader of the Pack" - The Shangri-La's
"Money" - Barrett Strong
"Gloria" - Shadows of Knight
"Twist & Shout" - Isley Brothers
"Tequila" - the Champs

I think its safe to say a lot of us shouted "WTF" about the Isley Brothers (who, in case you're under a rock, were inducted 25+ yrs ago). The Chantels were the only previously nominated act on that list. "Gloria" was written by Van Morrison. Half of them were by artists that never really had a chance of getting in, which is fair. I'm sure there's other little details about which, so there's just a few. I didn't know exactly what Little Stevie mentioned (besides "T&S" was in relation to a Bert Berns-project he's doing?), so I guess we'll have to wait a bit. This is assuming he had a hand in what was selected in what songs got in. A lot of questions still remain about this very strange category. Quoting the FRL guy, "the category should be re-named “The Stevie Van Zandt childhood record collection Award”.

Other than that, it sounds like all the performances (except the Zombies?) lived up to everyone's expectations. Apparently the leaders of certain groups were the only ones that had a chance to speak at the podium. Don't really know much else. Can't wait to see it next month on HBO

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 00:51am


I was correct about Stevie Nicks opening and Def Leppard closing. Most of us were correct about Def Leppard closing. As so many of us said Def Leppard is the act that made sense as the closer. They had the most momentum. A lot if us really were really guessing on the other acts.

It was a very competitive ballot. It seems like it was a fine Ceremony. But the singles category was a bit perplexing. Twist and Shout Isley Brothers? The Isley Brothers were inducted in 1992! The Chantels were the only previously nominated act on that list. I actually predicted Maybe- The Chantels. I don't even know the 1950s very well. This was the Singles category.

Maybe-The Chantels(1958)
Tequila-The Champs(1958)
Money-Barrett Strong(1960)
Twist and Shout-The Isley Brothers(1962)
Leader of the Pack-The Shangri-Las(1964)
Gloria-Shadows of the Night(1967)

Most of them make sense but it's really Little Steven's Childhood record collection.

Besides that it seems like the performances were good. It certainly seems like Stevie Nicks and Roxy Music revved things up. It also seems like Def Leppard rocked the House. The All Star Jam was All the Young Dudes. Joe Elliott is a big Mott the Hoople fan.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 09:47am


Hey FRL Regulars,

now with the 2019 ceremony over, who do you guys see being the 2020 Rock Hall inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 12:33pm


If we're gonna have six acts again, then I'm expecting the next class to look like this:

Motley Crue
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Rage Against the Machine
Notorious BIG
Cher

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 13:13pm


So how many inducted members of each band showed up?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 14:32pm


Richie it all depends on who gets on the ballot. This may not answer your question but here is who I think might be nominated.

Pat Benetar
Rufus & Chaka Khan
Kraftwerk
The Smiths
The Go-Go's
The Notorious B.I.G
The Spinners
King Crimson
Soundgarden
Carole King
The Monkees

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 16:13pm


richie,

I am also just going to deal with predictions of nominees for 2020. I have updated it.

Pat Benatar
Blood,Sweat & Tears
Devo
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Carole King
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
Motley Crue
Notorious BIG
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner

Philip, You ought to dig that I included the Marvelettes this time. This reflects the talk about more women in the Hall last night. And also to give Hall the benefit of the doubt that A bunch of 60s with a lot of hits can still be inducted. My list is Subject to change. I expect to keep both Blood,Sweat & Tears and the Marvelettes.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 20:40pm


Every year around this time we get the story that 7% or 8% of RNRHOF members are women. Doesn't seem right does it? It implies that women are being passed over for less deserving men. OK, fair enough, let's look at who is NOT in (snubbed). I've included this site's Rock Rankings as a rough indicator of importance (I've left out bands of mixed membership like B-52's and The Pixies):

Snubbed Men:
Kraftwerk (Rock ranking 40)
Joy Division (60)
T Rex (72)
The Smiths (87)
Smashing Pumpkins (89)
Depeche Mode (107)
Soundgarden (109)
Beck (124)
Blur (127)
The Jam (130)
Duran Duran (135)
Rage Against The Machine (136)
Judas Priest (138)
I could add LL Cool J, The Spinners, MC5, Jane's Addiction, Iron Maiden, The Commodores, The Sparks, Jim Croce, Jethro Tull, Alice In Chains, Slayer, Black Flag, The Monkees, King Crimson, Can, Motorhead, Warren Zevon, Joe Cocker, Doobies, Bad Co., etc.

Certainly, the rankings should reflect an imbalance, with more deserving women getting passed over, let's look...
Kate Bush (133)
Bjork (159)
Whitney Houston (230)
The Marvelettes (277)
The Runaways (295)
Carole King (305)
Pat Benatar (320)
Tina Turner (423)
Carly Simon (439)
Dionne Warwick (469)
The Go Go's (not ranked)
Mariah Carey (not ranked)

Not trying to be chauvinistic, but what am I missing?

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 21:30pm


Nothing really, except that at least 90% of the voters in that ranking exercise were males.

Posted by joker on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 22:02pm


KING'S 👑 Early 2019-2020 RRHOF Nomination List. Sweet 16 like the Basketball. Purdue-Virginia a whale of a game!
1. Nine Inch Nails
2. The Sonics
3. Alice In Chains
4. Annie Lennox/The Eurythmics
5. Procol Harum
6. Jane's Addiction
7. Chaka Khan/Rufus
8. Depeche Mode
9. Iron Maiden
10. Gloria Estefan/MSM
11. The Spinners
12. X
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. Steve Winwood
15. The Offspring
16. Bad Company
KING 👑

Posted by KING on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 22:40pm


@KING if i had to pick 5 from your nominee list, it would be:

ALICE IN CHAINS
DEPECHE MODE
EURYTHMICS
NINE INCH NAILS
RATM




IMO, Depeche Mode should 100% get nominated and inducted this year. NIN might get a chance this year since Trent has changed his view on the Hall. I feel like Devo and RATM might be nominated again. IDK about Kraftwerk tho. It would also be neat if The B-52's and The Specials can get nominated as well. The Specials recently released a new album (encore) so that might raise more interest in them.

Posted by Michael on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 23:50pm


KING,

If that was the ballot, I'd vote/hope for at least:

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Gloria Estefan And The Miami Sound Machine
The Spinners
X
Steve Winwood

if 6, Procol Harum; if 7, Rage Against The Machine

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 03/30/2019 @ 23:55pm


Classic Rock,

It isn't chauvinistic to point out that women are consistently discredited in overall rankings on sites like this. Just showcases the problem.

Posted by Chris F on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 04:49am


Philip,

In my new updated list of predictions I have Blood,Sweat & Tears and The Marvelettes to represent the 60s. I was going to predict the Grass Roots but I think the Hall would nominate the Marvelettes first because the Marvelettes have been nominated before. I took intop account that opinion of yours honoring 60s acts with a bunch of hits.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 08:35am


Philip,

In my new updated list of predictions I have Blood,Sweat & Tears and The Marvelettes to represent the 60s. I was going to predict the Grass Roots but I think the Hall would nominate the Marvelettes first because the Marvelettes have been nominated before. I took intop account that opinion of yours honoring 60s acts with a bunch of hits.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 08:35am


Ben, I appreciate that, but truthfully, feel free to predict whomever you'd like. I'm more impressed with ballot predictions that are rooted in the reality of how the Hall operates. If I'm being honest, right now, it wouldn't surprise me one iota if the MC5 was the only act that peaked during the '60's to be on the ballot this October. The reaction to this class being both bigger and more modern has been overwhelmingly positive, and that may continue.

That said, if we got the ballot you listed, my hopes would be for:

Carole King
Tina Turner
The Marvelettes
The Spinners
Pat Benatar

Kraftwerk if 6, Notorious B.I.G. for 7

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 10:36am


Philip,

It in fact is. The addition of the Marvelettes is realistic due to the nominations of Link Wray, the Moody Blues and Nina Simone. Also because of what Stevie Nicks and Janet J. said about women. Also, I thought the Hall had given up on early 60s a few years ago. Gratefully I am wrong. But I am predicting no more than 2 60s acts. But also my List subject to change. If Nina Simone can be nominated the Marvelettes or perhaps Lesley Gore or Joe Tex. The Monkees is another possibilty. There are a bunch of possibilities. I never finalize my predictions until August.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 11:09am


Philip.

Skipping over 2 decades to the 80s. I think Pat Benatar,Devo, Duran Duran and Motley Crue all have strong possibility of being nominated. I think the Stevie Nicks induction can easily lead to a Pat Benatar nomination.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 11:14am


Hey FRL Regulars,

now with the 2019 ceremony over, who do you guys see being nominated for the 2020 class?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 14:43pm


Richie, you sure like having us make lists.

Kraftwerk is a lock. Too important to not include and clearly gaining ground. If another 6 or 7 Performers get inducted next year, it's hard to imagine them not being one of them. Roxy Music, Radiohead and The Cure just all got in. There's room for Kraftwerk.

MC5 must be pretty competitive if they keep appearing on the ballot. They may well be the only punk act/1960s act on the ballot next time. If The Stooges can get in, then it stands to reason that MC5 can eventually get the votes to be at least 6th or 7th in a given year and finally be inducted. They'll be back.

Questlove can keep throwing out Rufus/Chaka Khan and LL Cool J, but they aren't going to be inducted. Janet Jackson, as I have pointed out, is basically the only black artist to not be inducted right away recently. And she may have benefited big time from there being 7 Performer inductees this year. I don't see how these acts are going to get in now that the voting body has proven themselves to be way more amiable to post-punk (and its forebears). I think Chaka Khan returns because she's a woman and Janet just got in, LL Cool J will be snubbed for the two hip hop acts I listed below.

It's time for Beck and OutKast to make an appearance. I'll predict they are both on the ballot next year. Either will both be inducted the first time they make the ballot.

Notorious B.I.G. of course. He'll get in.

Depeche Mode is SO obvious. And it is SO obvious that they will easily be inducted ASAP.

Duran Duran could end up with the same if they're actually on the ballot. I think they will be because how could they NOT be on the Hall's radar when they were at this year's ceremony?

I think Pat Benatar will be the pick of the women trying to boost female names. She just seems like the name with the easiest path to induction (due to the classic rock stables), so viability will play a big part in their selection.

Todd Rundgren had to have got super close. I mean, not in the Top 7? WTF? He's back.

I'll go out on a limb and say The Smiths are on the ballot. Multiple appearances before and the triple induction of Roxy-Radiohead-Cure clearly shows a BUNCH of these acts can get in at once.

Smashing Pumpkins. Has to happen at some point, right?

Iron Maiden or Motley Crue. It'll just be one so they don't split the vote. Former has the better case and recent In-Museum-Voting buzz, latter has the new film along with the recent inductions of Bon and Def.

Warren Zevon is due. Swap out Prine for him.

I'll throw out T.Rex as the Classic Rock band pick. They aren't as bland as groups like Bad Company and Doobie Brothers, so the Hall won't mind potentially giving up a slot for them, especially since they aren't an inductee slam dunk like those two.

Whitney Houston. Next in-line after Janet, so the committee won't be able to resist. Tragic documentary will also keep her on their minds.



15 Name Ballot For 2019/2020 Class:

Beck
Depeche Mode
Duran Duran
Iron Maiden OR Motley Crue
Kraftwerk
Notorious B.I.G.
OutKast
Pat Benatar
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
T. Rex
Todd Rundgren
Warren Zevon
Whitney Houston



If Six Inductees (no way will they go back to five, but seven could have just been a ruse to get a populist name like Nicks or Jackson or Def Leppard inducted):

Beck (100%)

Depeche Mode (100%)

Duran Duran (90%)

Notorious B.I.G. (80%. Surprisingly, not as guaranteed as you would expect though)

OutKast (100%)

Smashing Pumpkins (100%. Argued for years that they are beloved enough by the hundreds of inductees from guitar bands that it's a slam dunk)



If there are seven inductees:

Kraftwerk OR Motley Crue OR Todd Rundgren


I don't see Iron Maiden as being as viable as Motley Crue. They are more Judas Priest than they are Def Leppard.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 15:31pm


That would actually be an even better ballot and class than this last year which I wouldn't have thought possible. Pretty much everyone has a better case than Nicks/Def Leppard and the would-be inductees stack up comparably to who was just inducted. The Zombies have a flimsier case, as well, than most of those names on my above hypothetical ballot.

If Kraftwerk weren't to get in, then there's nobody on the level of Radiohead, and just eyeballing the list, Janet Jackson. But otherwise, the inductee class will be about as strong, if not stronger, on the whole.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 15:37pm


Eventually, the Hall will need to either surprise us by inducting B-list post-punk acts (compared to, say, The Cure) like B-52s or The Replacements OR they'll need to make up for inducting super popular acts like Depeche Mode by finally getting to Smashing Pumpkins, Alice In Chains, Weezer, Soundgarden, etc.

Otherwise, we risk having the ballot disintegrating to classic rock picks, mainstream pop names, etc. You know, how it had been in the past for years and years.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 15:40pm


BTW, Soundgarden would get in immediately as well. Not a risky proposition whatsoever. Too easy for guitar bands to go, "Sure" and cast votes for them.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 15:41pm


Casper,

Where is Blink-182? They are leading in the Hall Vote Your Choice, so it's possible.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 21:53pm


Personally, i hope Blink-182 never makes it in.

Posted by Michael on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 22:21pm


My picks for 2020 Class

If 7

1. Notorious BIG (Shoe-In).
2. Soundgarden
3. Nine Inch Nails
4. Tina Turner
5. Carole King
6. Sting
7. Duran Duran (Fan Vote Winner)

If 6 then no Sting, if 5 then no Sting and no Carole King

Musical Excellence
The Monkees

Nominees for the class will include

8. Rage Against The Machine
9. Jethro Tull
10. Forienger
11. Judas Priest
12. Depeche Mode
13. LL Cool J
14. Kraftwerk
15. Eurythmics
16. T-Rex
17. Willie Nelson
18. Chaka Kahn
19. The Monkees

Presenters

Puff Daddy for Notorious BIG
Eddie Vedder for Soundgarden
Marilyn Manson for Nine Inch Nails
Mick Jagger for Tina Turner
Sara Brailles for Carole King
Gwen Stefani for Sting
Justin Timberlake for Duran Duran

Ringo Starr for the Monkees

Posted by Kyle on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 23:37pm


I should mention that I sort of forgot I had Zevon on my fictional ballot when I was figuring out who would get in. For years, I have stated that he would be a total lock the second he makes it onto a ballot, but if the field is THAT crowded as the ballot I made above, then he'd be anything but a slam dunk (still a major contender though).

It's hard to imagine any singer-songwriters of that level of notoriety NOT getting in right away, but the voting body seems a lot more forward thinking when it comes to the 1980s and the like, so perhaps Zevon's career would, rightfully, pale in comparison to these other names.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 23:45pm


Blink-182 has no business ever even being brought up into the conversation. They are well liked by 12 year olds being dragged to the museum by their parents. That's it.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 03/31/2019 @ 23:46pm


If any act is being voted by 12 year olds dragged into the museum, it's solo Freddie Mercury. Older Millennials and Younger Gen Xer's still like Blink-182.

(Side note: I do wish someone would post a more recent version of the Vote Your Choice. The last one I've seen was from February 24.)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 00:08am


“Where is Blink-182? They are leading in the Hall Vote Your Choice, so it's possible.”

There is no way Blink would get inducted into the Hall that soon; they’re not on a Green Day, Pearl Jam and Nirvana level in terms of popularity nor they’re on a Radiohead level in terms of critical acclaim.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 00:09am


We'll see, Dude. A lot of it depends on how much sway the public vote at the museum actually has. I really wanna say that Stevie Nicks' induction is pretty indicative, but we'll see. Nicks also has the cache with the boomer crowd, which Blink definitely doesn't have. It's still highly up in the air, but it will be interesting to watch.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 01:11am


So, let's try to list the no-shows:

The dead members of The Zombies, Roxy Music and Def Leppard, Thom Yorke, the Greenwood Brothers (Radiohead), Pete Willis (Def Leppard), Brian Eno, Paul Thompson, and Eddie Jobson (Roxy Music).

Did anyone from The Cure not show up? It seemed like almost everyone.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 04:39am


Regarding Evelyn McDonell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History. Yes, I do believe that more female artists should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I am not as likely to vote for the Go-gos, as I would The Bangles. I am much more likely to vote for Carly Simon and Carole King, then I am The Runaways. If the unthinkable did actually happen, i.e a completely female ballot, it might look somewhat like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Carly Simon
03. Carole King
04. Tina Turner
05. Kate Bush
06. Sheryl Crow
07. k. d. lang
08. Melissa Etheridge
09. Shania Twain
10. Björk
11. Tori Amos
12. Martina McBride
13. Whitney Houston
14. Dionne Warwick
15. TLC
16. Salt n Pepa
17. Queen Latifah
18. The Go-Gos

Unfortunately, it would exclude Sade due to 4 of their male members, The Eurythmics, etc.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 10:49am


Regarding Evelyn McDonell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.”

Yes, I do believe that more female artists should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I am not as likely to vote for the Go-gos, as I would The Bangles. I am much more likely to vote for Carly Simon and Carole King, then I am The Runaways. If the unthinkable did actually happen, i.e a completely female ballot, it might look somewhat like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Carly Simon
03. Carole King
04. Tina Turner
05. Kate Bush
06. Sheryl Crow
07. k. d. lang
08. Melissa Etheridge
09. Shania Twain
10. Björk
11. Tori Amos
12. Martina McBride
13. Whitney Houston
14. Dionne Warwick
15. TLC
16. Salt n Pepa
17. Queen Latifah
18. The Go-Gos

Unfortunately, it would exclude Sade due to 4 of their male members, The Eurythmics, etc.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 10:51am


Regarding Evelyn McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.”

Yes, I do believe that more female artists should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I am not as likely to vote for the Go-gos, as I would The Bangles. I am much more likely to vote for Carly Simon and Carole King, then I am The Runaways. If the unthinkable did actually happen, i.e a completely female ballot, it might look somewhat like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Carly Simon
03. Carole King
04. Tina Turner
05. Kate Bush
06. Sheryl Crow
07. k. d. lang
08. Melissa Etheridge
09. Shania Twain
10. Björk
11. Tori Amos
12. Martina McBride
13. Whitney Houston
14. Dionne Warwick
15. TLC
16. Salt n Pepa
17. Queen Latifah
18. The Go-Gos
19. The Runaways

Unfortunately, it would exclude Sade due to 4 of their male members, The Eurythmics, etc.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 10:56am


McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.”

Yes, I do believe that more female artists should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I am not as likely to vote for the Go-gos, as I would The Bangles. I am much more likely to vote for Carly Simon and Carole King, then I am The Runaways. If the unthinkable did actually happen, i.e. a completely female ballot, it might look somewhat like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Carly Simon
03. Carole King
04. Tina Turner
05. Kate Bush
06. Sheryl Crow
07. k. d. lang
08. Melissa Etheridge
09. Shania Twain
10. Björk
11. Tori Amos
12. Martina McBride
13. Whitney Houston
14. Dionne Warwick
15. TLC
16. Salt n Pepa
17. Queen Latifah
18. The Go-Gos
19. The Runaways
20. Cher

Unfortunately, it would exclude Sade due to 4 of their male members, The Eurythmics, etc.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 11:02am


https://ultimateclassicrock.com/motley-crue-the-dirt-book-real/

HOW MOTLEY CRUE KEPT ‘THE DIRT’ BOOK REAL

I’m sure it’s also selling like crazy too thanks to the movie.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 11:55am


Well enig Shania Twain and Martina McBride seem unlikely. Other than them your list has quite a few possibilities. I think other possible candidates could beJudy Collins, Melanie, Lucinda Williams, The Marvelettes, Mary Wells and Rickie Lee Jones.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 15:44pm


It wouldn't even have to be *purely* women, they could do better with including more multi-gender bands with prominent female members: B-52s, Pixies, Sonic Youth, Siouxsie And The Banshees, The Carpenters, Sade (the most surprising snub in your list given your often expressed admiration for them as a group).

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 18:13pm


You forgot to mention Smashing Pumpkins. D'arcy is probably the easiest female to induct other than Carole King's solo career being on the ballot.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 04/1/2019 @ 19:41pm


For us Smashing Pumpkin fans, it's maddening because D'arcy and Billy are still not talking to each other. While there are other talents in the group, I would really only want the classic lineup with James Iha and Jimmy Chamberlin along with these two. Live, they were one of the most amazing bands of the 90s in terms of 4 souls in tune with their music collectively...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 00:46am


The easiest woman to induct would be Carol Kaye, as she doesn't have to be on the ballot to get her inducted but can get in through the special category.

Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 05:07am


Shrek,

I agree with you, however I was attempting to include only 100% female acts, in deference to Evelyn McDonnell’s article,
“The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.“ I think that a more likely scenario would be to include acts whose lead singer/songwriter/composer are female and whose other members may be male. Unlike men, ladies do not seem to form that many all female bands. Most of the artists on my list were solo artists. Now, a more realistic scenario would be to include more female acts on subsequent nomination lists. Of course, I would include Sade, because I feel that they represent an act whose lead singer/songwriter/composer is female, but the other members are male. Also, a 100% female ballot would be a very tough sell to most of the voting public. So, let’s look at a hybrid list of male and female acts who might appear on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominee’s List, instead:

01. Sade
02. Sheryl Crow
03. Tori Amos
04. The Bangles
05. Carly Simon
06. Duran Duran
07. Jethro Tull
08. Procol Harum
09. Tina Turner
10. Carole King
11. Doobie Brothers
12. Carpenters
13. Beck
14. OutKast
15. Kraftwerk
16. Eurythmics
17. Depeche Mode
18. Smashing Pumpkins
19. Nine Inch Nails
20. Pixies

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 10:12am


Shrek,

I agree with you, however I was attempting to include only 100% female acts, in deference to Evelyn McDonnell’s article,
“The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.“ I think that a more likely scenario would be to include acts whose lead singer/songwriter/composer are female and whose other members may be male. Unlike men, ladies do not seem to form that many all female bands. Most of the artists on my list were solo artists. Now, a more realistic scenario would be to include more female acts on subsequent nomination lists. Of course, I would include Sade, because I feel that they represent an act whose lead singer/songwriter/composer is female, but the other members are male. Also, a 100% female ballot would be a very tough sell to most of the voting public. So, let’s look at a hybrid list of male and female acts who might appear on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominee’s List, instead after the original list:


Regarding Evelyn McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.”

Yes, I do believe that more female artists should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I am not as likely to vote for the Go-gos, as I would The Bangles. I am much more likely to vote for Carly Simon and Carole King, then I am The Runaways. If the unthinkable did actually happen, i.e. a completely female ballot, it might look somewhat like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Carly Simon
03. Carole King
04. Tina Turner
05. Kate Bush
06. Sheryl Crow
07. k. d. lang
08. Melissa Etheridge
09. Shania Twain
10. Björk
11. Tori Amos
12. Martina McBride
13. Whitney Houston
14. Dionne Warwick
15. TLC
16. Salt n Pepa
17. Queen Latifah
18. The Go-Gos
19. The Runaways

Unfortunately, it would exclude Sade due to 4 of their male members, The Eurythmics, The Carpenters, etc.

Therefore, a more realistic scenario would be a hybrid of the two. A list which looks more like this:

01. Sade
02. Sheryl Crow
03. Tori Amos
04. The Bangles
05. Carly Simon
06. Duran Duran
07. Jethro Tull
08. Procol Harum
09. Tina Turner
10. Carole King
11. Doobie Brothers
12. Carpenters
13. Beck
14. OutKast
15. Kraftwerk
16. Eurythmics
17. Depeche Mode
18. Smashing Pumpkins
19. Nine Inch Nails
20. Pixies

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 10:22am


Shrek,

Even more unlikely would be a complete list of all hybrid male/female artists whose lead singer is female, in addition to solo female artists and all female bands:

01. Sade
02. Renaissance
03. Missing Persons
04. No Doubt
05. Eurythmics
06. Carpenters
07. Carly Simon
08. Carole King
09. Tina Turner
10. Cher
11. k.d. lang
12. Tori Amos
13. TLC
14. Salt ‘n’ Pepa
15. Queen Latifah
16. Shania Twain
17. Sheryl Crow
18. The Bangles
19. The Go-Gos

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 10:40am


Enig,

Since its unrealistic that there would be an all Female or a very large amount of female. I think we should stick with easy regular conventional Nominee lists for 2020. I'm not into ultra hypothetical list that are not realistic.

My recent prediction list of nominees for 2020 includes Pat Benatar, Carole King,The Marvelettes and Tina Turner. Time will tell if those are choices but the Hall I doubt would have more than 4 female acts in one year.

One thing I now do is predict acts that I am Not a fan of at all. I predicted the Cure as a nominee and inductee for this year. For next year I predict Duran Duran who I like to a certain extent but also Devo. I am not a Devo Fan. I know perhaps 2 songs. Nonehtheless They had a career just as much as Steely Dan,Traffic and Yes. I am fair with this.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 11:11am


Hmmmm - This discussion brings up an interesting point about Jethro Tull. They seem like they will get a shot eventually, since they show up on a good cross section of snub lists that people make.

One of the member of the band from 1977- 1980 was transgender - "Dee" Doane Perry, formerly David Perry. Perry played keyboards on three Gold certified albums in those years for the band. Palemer also worked as a musical arranger for the band from their start in 1967, before finally joining as a musician; so would seem like a very strong candidate to include as one of the members to be inducted.

If Jethro Tull got in, Would Dee Palmer be the first transgender member of the HOF?

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 14:32pm


King,

I looked at your Very recent List of nominees for 2020. My list is far from Final. It never is until August. You got some good ideas there with Iron Maiden,The Spinners.Steve Winwood And Bad Company. The thing with Iron Maiden is I think for a Heavy Metal. Choice The Hall will nominate Motley Crue instead of Maiden due to their movie. I have already chosen the Spinners. Steve Winwood is very possible. After Stevie Nicks they could nominate Steve Winwood for his Solo Career. Bad Company also possible. I will mull these over. And the rest of your list. X is not too likely but they were an 80s punk band that were known

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 14:41pm


K-Dawg, D'arcy is a drug addict that showed no willingness to really participate in the band's recent reunion tour. Billy's story checks out.

Also, the Hall will absolutely induct Jeff Schroeder along with the original foursome. He has been a band member for over ten years and was a huge part of the recent reunion tour, etc. He deserves it.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 14:54pm


Next ceremony being in Cleveland means the Hall is going to want to strongly consider both Devo and Nine Inch Nails.

Also, Joy Division-New Order. They'd get in immediately if they were ever on a ballot. They have already had a special exhibit in the museum. It's just a question of WHEN the nominating committee will finally pull the trigger.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 15:01pm


Shrek,

No because you forgot about Peal Thompson.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 15:19pm


King,

Also Eurythmics,Jane's Addiciton and Depeche Mode are possible. I do NOT like Depeche Mode at all. But they are certainly very possible. I figured the Cure would be inducted first. They are slightly more appealing to the Voting. They are NOT as synthesized. Eurythmics are more possible fronted by Annie Lennox. I will say this either Eurythmics or Depeche Mode would replace Duran Duran on my list as a New Wave/80s alternative nominee. Jane's Addiction. But since there is only a few 90s acts nominated I am going with Soundgarden. There is a lot more buzz with them due to Chris Cornell.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/3/2019 @ 07:43am


King,

Also Eurythmics,Jane's Addiciton and Depeche Mode are possible. I do NOT like Depeche Mode at all. But they are certainly very possible. I figured the Cure would be inducted first. They are slightly more appealing to the Voting. They are NOT as synthesized. Eurythmics are more possible fronted by Annie Lennox. I will say this either Eurythmics or Depeche Mode would replace Duran Duran on my list as a New Wave/80s alternative nominee. Jane's Addiction. But since there is only a few 90s acts nominated I am going with Soundgarden. There is a lot more buzz with them due to Chris Cornell.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/3/2019 @ 07:43am


Follower - You are totally correct! I did forget about Pearl; I was thinking about the past bands and not the latest crop of inductees!

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 04/3/2019 @ 13:27pm


You know what. I didn’t pick a more Mild Arena Rock band in my predictions. A band like Foreigner or Boston. When I finalize my list on August I will try to fit Foreigner in. Motley Crue are good heavy Metal choice. But so was Judas Priest and they lost out. Bon Jovi was inducted with No problem. I think Motley Crue will be nominated. They can be thought of as Arena Rock for sure. They have this movie in their favor but An Arena Rock band with Pop hits like Foreigner May be on the ballot also. I will figure this out a few months from Now. What do you think?

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/3/2019 @ 20:37pm


@ Ben

Foreigner is more likely to get inducted in 2021 along with Foo Fighters and Jay-Z. The Crue is everywhere right now thanks to the movie (which was pretty good), and their albums are back on the Billboard charts again. I’m waiting for them to get more some certifications from the RIAA; they deserve to have an upgrade.

Dr. Feelgood is their best-selling album, and I still can’t believe it’s not a diamond yet when it should be!

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 04/3/2019 @ 22:20pm


I feel like any of the following artists could get nominated for the 2020 class come this October since all of them have either been previously nominated or previously considered for the Rock Hall, so I wouldn't be surprised to see any 15-19 of them get nominated for the 2020 class this October:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Black Flag
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan
Joe Cocker
The Commodores
Depeche Mode
Devo
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Whitney Houston
Jane's Addiction
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Carole King
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
The Marvelettes
MC5
The Monkees
Nine Inch Nails
Pixies
Rage Against The Machine
The Replacements
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
The Spinners
T. Rex
Tina Turner
War

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/4/2019 @ 00:10am


The Dude,

That's a good point. I was thinking in terms of both Foreigner and Motley Crue on the ballot. I implied that Foreigner would be inducted rather than The Crue. Yeah since Crue are everywhere thanks to the movie it may be the Crue that get inducted. Crue and Foreigner are at opposite sides of Arena Rock. So both can be nominated.

It's something for me to consider. I notice you had Duran Duran in a predicted class. Not sure you showed a whole ballot of nominees. Duran Duran are on my predicted 2020 Ballot. But I may reconsider in favor of Eurythmics.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/4/2019 @ 07:11am


Hey Dude,

I looked around for a Full predicted Ballot from You. I couldn’t find any. I found a Predicted Class You posted for 2020 But not a Full ballot. I was wondering if you can post or Perhaps Repost a Full ballot. You may have posted a 2020 Ballot. So then it’s a RePost. Hear from ya l

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/4/2019 @ 11:16am


@ Ben

These are the names I’m expecting to be nominated with a slight update:

Cher
Motley Crue
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
Duran Duran
B-52’s
Jethro Tull
John Prine
New York Dolls
Notorious BIG
War
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
Todd Rundgren
Beck
Nine Inch Nails

Who would win the ballot?

Cher
Motley Crue
Rage Against The Machine
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Notorious BIG
Soundgarden (If room for seven)
Todd Rundgren (If room for eight)
Dionne Warrick (If room for nine)
NIN (If room for ten)

A band I’d love to see them get a nomination this year as a wishful thinking but won’t happen: Korn

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/4/2019 @ 11:47am


Hey Dude,

We have some nominee picks in Common. It is Very likely that Motley Crue will be on the 2020 Ballot. We have several in common. I am confident that Jethro Tull and Todd Rundgren will be nominated. It is my belief like others that Todd Rundgren just missed. He may have been the 8th Choice for this year. Dionne Warwick is an impressive choice. She would for as a Mellow Female singer. I have opted for Carole King instead. I could be wrong but I think John Prine was a one shot deal. They would give him a rest for 2020 at least.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/4/2019 @ 14:45pm


@ Ben

I think Dionne Warwick has a pretty good shot of getting nominated cause she was supposed to do an interview at the Hall but didn’t happen from what I’ve heard. And with the late Nina Simone in, the doors are probably opened more wider for her. John Prine is now in the Songwriters Hall of Fame, and he honestly wanted the Zombies to get in before him. So, I could see him get another nomination for being a humble guy.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/4/2019 @ 15:03pm


Hey Dude,

Thats a very good point about Dionne Warwick. This past year I felt the same was about folk artist Judy Collins following after Nina Simone. Dionne Warwick may actually be more likely now that you mention that interview. She would fit as a mellow female singer.

I applaud your choice of Soundgarden. Its beyond me why they have Not been nominated yet. I guess they wanted to take care of Radiohead first. Almost on the other end of the Spectrum of music you have Cher. I get it that its a pick for a Female. I think since Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks are Now inducted 2 of the Females nominated for 2020 will be Pat Benatar and Tina Turner. Those are some extra thoughts. Generally speaking you have a good list.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/4/2019 @ 17:10pm


@ Ben

I think Cher has a very good of shot of being the Hall’s next female inductee cause she recently received a Kennedy Center Honors prize and is also working on a few projects, including a biopic about her life and another ABBA cover album.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 04/5/2019 @ 14:05pm


https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=motley+crue#search_section

RIAA Gold & Platinum Total: Motley Crue

26.3 Million

They'll be getting an update soon.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 04/5/2019 @ 15:12pm


Hey Dude,

You do good Research I see. I did Not any of those Facts about Cher. Although I do know there is a Cher Musical on Broadway. The thing with me is I have predicted Both Pat Benatar and Tina Turner for 2020. I am thinking Cher may be Nominated for 2021.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/5/2019 @ 17:26pm


I feel like any of the following artists could get nominated for the 2020 class come this October since all of them have either been previously nominated or previously considered for the Rock Hall, so I wouldn't be surprised to see any 15-19 of them get nominated for the 2020 class this October:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Black Flag
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan
Patsy Cline
Joe Cocker
The Commodores
Dick Dale
Depeche Mode
Devo
The Doobie Brothers
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Eric B. & Rakim
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Whitney Houston
Iron Maiden
Jane's Addiction
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Carole King
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
The Marvelettes
MC5
The Monkees
Motorhead
New York Dolls
Nine Inch Nails
Gram Parsons
Pixies
Rage Against The Machine
The Replacements
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
The Spinners
Sting
T. Rex
Tina Turner
Tommy James & The Shondells
War
Mary Wells
Barry White
Steve Winwood

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/5/2019 @ 22:53pm


Well, the recent inductions of Roxy Music, The Cure and The Zombies into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame last Friday evening, could lead to nominations for Duran Duran and The Bangles and re-nominations for Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode. So, I have started this list with those four artists.


01. Duran Duran
02. The Bangles
03. Depeche Mode
04. Nine Inch Nails

Out of those 4, I think that Duran Duran and The Bangles stand the best chances of induction.

01. Duran Duran
02. The Bangles

Okay, now we need 5, or perhaps 6 more artists to add to the 2020 Inductees list.


So, how about this list?

01. Duran Duran
02. The Bangles
03. Sade
04. Carly Simon
05. Doobie Brothers
06. Pat Benatar
07. Jethro Tull
08. Tina Turner

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/6/2019 @ 13:33pm


Enig,

That’s a good list of inductees But I always discourage Inductee lists until The Nominee announcement. But I dig the Nominee predictions. Hey I predicted The Moody Blues for 7 straight Years. I was Bound to be Correct some day.

Anyway I have predicted for of those acts to be Nominated. In the case of Pat Benatar at least there isn’t a redundance like Stevie Nicks. I remain Confident about Tina Turner. Personally a much better choice than Janet Jackson. Tina is a more classy Choice. And hey Jethro Tull is an ultimate Prog Choice. A very prominent band of the 70s. I do think other acts like Kraftwerk, the Marvelettes and Todd Rundgren have a good chance of being Nominated. Not sure those will all be inducted.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/6/2019 @ 20:41pm




richie,

That is a fine list of artists that could get nominated for 2020. You said they have all been previously nominated or considered. I used to do that. It was pointed out that the Hall would never move ahead with new eligible entries like that. Also with Old artists I believe that Joan Baez,Eurythmics and Nina Simone were not previously considered when they were first on a Ballot. I think that's the case.

Your list has some great choices. I count 9 I have predicted. I am mulling over Eurythmics, The Smiths and Steve Winwood. You need to think about Motley Crue. They have that huge movie right Now.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 08:19am


richie,

That is a fine list of artists that could get nominated for 2020. You said they have all been previously nominated or considered. I used to do that. It was pointed out that the Hall would never move ahead with new eligible entries like that. Also with Old artists I believe that Joan Baez,Eurythmics and Nina Simone were not previously considered when they were first on a Ballot. I think that's the case.

Your list has some great choices. I count 9 I have predicted. I am mulling over Eurythmics, The Smiths and Steve Winwood. You need to think about Motley Crue. They have that huge movie right Now.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 08:19am


Ben,

As much as I love Motley Crue, I just don't see them ever getting nominated (let alone being inducted), I think that there are other Hard Rock/Metal bands that are more worthy of a nomination and induction into the Rock Hall than Motley Crue like Bad Company, Foreigner, Boston, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Motorhead.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 10:53am


Respectfully disagree, Richie. If the Hall snubs the Crue again, it be would more harder to open doors and induct certain bands like Priest and Maiden. There are a lot names who cited them as one of their influences other than the band’s 80’s peers. Nickelback, Hinder, Buckcherry, Trapt, Papa Roach, Manson, Mr. Bungle, Refused, Black Veil Brides, Between the Buried and Me, the list goes on. Alice In Chains and Pantera jumped on the “hair metal” bandwagon before they moved away their original roots. So, both them are and were fans of them.

It’s also possible the late Andrew Wood from Mother Love Bone and Malfunkshun was a fan of the Crue, since he would be glamy as Vince Neil other than T.Rex’s the late Marc Bolan.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 11:17am


@ Richie

Another thing everybody should know about Motley Crue is they were the first “hair” band and started the movement - NOT Def Leppard.

DL originally started off as standard 80’s hard rock band until they jumped on the bandwagon with their own spin after High ‘N’ Dry, and they’re also not metal despite their associations with the NWBHM scene cause they do not meet the REAL AND CURRENT definition of the genre.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 11:37am


Hey Dude,

That was an excellent explanation. And Hey I'm 54 Now. I was 18 when the original Hair Metal boom started taking off. I am in fact reverse of richie. I am Not a big Motley Crue fan. I bought 2 of Crue's albums during the 80s. That's it. But I feel strongly that the Crue will be nominated and probably Inducted. I love Looks That Kill and Too Young to Fall in Love. Those are on Shout at the Devil.

I do Happen to remember that Too Fast for Love was released a full Year earlier in 1982 I recall. This was before Pyromania. Therefore Motley Crue were the first "hair" band. I am NOT a Heavy Metal expert but I do know my share of the 1980s Metal. I had an enormous amount of Heavy Metal friends in College. I was very often busy with a Mellower Classic Rock Variety of Eric Clapton, Neil Young,Grateful Dead,etc etc etc. But Hey I did see some Heavy Metal concerts in the 80s. I never saw Crue or DL. But I did see Twisted Sister in 1984 with Ratt.

I am guessing that you are an original 80 Metal Fan like a lot of my old friends. BTW I remember a Rolling Stone review of DL in 1983 for Pyromania. They were called Hard Rock NOT metal. That was at that time in 1983! You may recall this if you were around 18 in the actual time of 1983 84. I respect the 80s Metal a lot. Even though I am NOT a Metal guy. Thank you

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 12:15pm


@ Ben

Actually, Too Fast for Love came out in 81 under their original label before they moved to Elektra Records (who famously signed bands like the Doors, the Cars, the Stooges, AC/DC, Metallica, Anthrax, and Staind) and re-released it a year later. While I’m seem to be one of the few FRL regulars who is a millennial other than Donnie, but I do listen a lot of hard rock and metal bands from many different eras and styles, and do a lot of researching. There are some things I’ve noticed most of you guys got some things wrong and there are some things I’d say you won’t know about at all on certain names; that’s why I became a Rock Hall Watcher/Hobbyist.

I really appreciate all the great replies from y’all which I do thank everybody for that and welcome them for spreading some info.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 13:31pm


Hey Dude,

I would never have guessed you were a Millenial. That’s cool you do alll that Research. I mean it’s Not like we are talking about Cinderella and Fastway. You may know Dokken Though. Dokken were a Major Heavy Metal band in the 80s. I was Never a Metal expert. I was there when the old Defintion Of Heavy Metal still existed with Deep Purple And Blue Oyster Cult. I had a Very Old Rolling Stone Encyclopedia from about 1981. The 2 bands were in the Heavy Metal Chapter. But as you know The definition totally Changed by 1983 and 84. You may have Come across WASP. A bunch of these acts I am mentioning will never even be considered. I strongly Doubt Cinderella will ever be in the Hall. But Motley Crue will. Have you heard of Cinderella? They were huge 1986- 1988. They
faded fast by 1990.

I will always be clear that my Music favs are the Traditional More Mellow Rock acts You always hear about. Eric Clapton, Brothers Band,Grateful Dead,Moody Blues,Steely Dan,Doors And Of course My Favorite Group Of all Time The Who. But I did explore Some Heavy Metal in the 80s. Motley Crue were Huge.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 14:12pm


Ben and Company. The RRHOF NOM COM never does things the way you expect. I think the metal choices will be Alice In Chains and Iron Maiden or Iron Maiden and Megadeth. There are still members on the Committee that dislike Motley Crue's wild 80's times and debauchery. Iron Maiden has been in the Top 5 of the Rock Voting last few years at the Rock Hall. Might sway some folks. I discovered Cher has sold 100 million units around the globe. That's impressive and might give her a nomination. This Mott The Hoople Ian Hunter love has thrown a wrench in my nominations. Brian May has plenty of clout and respect in the music world and there's plenty of admiration given to Ian Hunter recently. You and Enig might have to vote for Duran Duran in the Snub tourney. It's not looking good for Duran Duran's chances vs. NY Dolls. For 60's bands, 4 have risen to the top for nomination. Procol Harum, Steve Winwood, The Sonics, and Tommy James & The Shondells. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 14:35pm


@The Dude,

Fear not, I am a fellow millennial. I'm 34. Good to see a peer on here! I enjoy your posts.

Posted by Greg P. on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 16:24pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

Which acts do you see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next ten years (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2029)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/8/2019 @ 22:48pm


@ Ben, Greg and Richie

Yep, I actually love Dokken and Cinderella; they’re may not be Hall material, but they’re the most underrated hard rock bands from the 80’s. I got into them when my co-worker (who actually grew up with his favorites before my time) asked me if I’ve heard of them, which actually made me checked out their music on YouTube. I’m twenty-eight; I was born at the beginning of the 90’s when all the grunge bands from Washington State were on a full swing and started the next era of rock and alternative music.

One thing I’ve forgot is the fact Joe from Who Cares About The Rock Hall is 31, and he occasionally posts some comments here. So far, there are four millennials from. The same questions Richie asked never gets old; I don’t think there’s a need for me to show my list of predicted classes again fully yet. But so far, the only newly and future eligible names who I think have the best of chance of getting in at first year are Notorious BIG (2020), Jay-Z and Foo Fighters (2021), Eminem (2022), Coldplay (2023), the White Stripes (2025), Linkin Park (2026), Beyoncé and Maroon 5 (2028), and Kanye West and Amy Winehouse (2029).

One of them names I’ve mentioned isn’t a stretch as some would think.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 00:38am


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Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 00:42am


I'm 28. Am I a millennial?

Anyway, just saw the April 7th update to the Rock Hall Fan Vote. Here it is:

1. Blink-182 (Have a small chance at getting in if they stay in first all year)
2. Iron Maiden (Given that Priest did poorly I doubt Maiden could get in)
3. Motley Crue (Thanks, The Dirt!)
4. Dave Matthews Band (Have credentials, but not really a chance)
5. Freddie Mercury (Solo) (Thanks, Bohemian Rhapsody!)
6. Weezer (Stronger case and path than blink-182 or Dave Matthews band, but not particularly eventful.)
7. Phil Collins (Solo) (Would have the easiest time getting in of all 8 of these)
8. Rage Against The Machine (Nominated twice already but can't get in.)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 01:09am


Hey Dude,

That's impressive that you love Cinderella and Dokken. Your co worker is probably around my age. I was born in 1965. So thats decades before Millenials. I don't know what generation I am. Late Baby Boomer? I was born when the Beatles, Rolling Stones,the Who and all the others were in full swing from England.The Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane were starting to emerge in California. All that psychedelic and hippie rock in General.

I was little when Led Zeppelin,Pink Floyd and Eric Clapton were first huge. In any case. I was a teenager in the 80s. There was all kinds of stuff.There was lots of Heavy Metal stuff and Hard Rock. Def Leppard were huge. They were simply Hard Rock but there was Motley Crue. They were Heavy Metal for the most part. There was also bands like Ratt and Dokken. I doubt those 2 have much chance in the Hall at all.

You know much more about Heavy Metal than me. Even in the 80s I was only into the highlights of the scene. I know Dokken only because I was around back then I figure. I am NOT a huge fan of Dokken. So the sum up is I think Motley Crue will be nominated easily. I will go back to other genres like Regular Rock and R&b Soon.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 06:18am


@ Follower

Yep, you’re in our generation too. Now there’s a total of five.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 08:19am


King,

Good to hear from you. My list still has Duran Duran but I am on the verge of changing that to the Eurythmics. I am NOT a fan of the Eurythmics but they have more chance as a New Wave pick. So you may actually be right about that. I am realizing that Eurythmics has Annie Lennox.

The acts for 70s Rock that stand the most chance in my opinion are Jethro Tull and Todd Rundgren. Bad Company is on the fence for me. I just want to point out that Steve Winwood is a rather fine pick But as a solo guy he is NOT the 60s. He is the 60s with Traffic. He was inducted as part of Traffic 2004. His solo career started in 1977 with self titled album that did Badly. His huge Solo breakthrough was Arc of a Diver in 1981. Steve Winwood is very possible. I don't know the Sonics. I will have to research that one.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 10:54am


King,

Good to hear from you. My list still has Duran Duran but I am on the verge of changing that to the Eurythmics. I am NOT a fan of the Eurythmics but they have more chance as a New Wave pick. So you may actually be right about that. I am realizing that Eurythmics has Annie Lennox.

The acts for 70s Rock that stand the most chance in my opinion are Jethro Tull and Todd Rundgren. Bad Company is on the fence for me. I just want to point out that Steve Winwood is a rather fine pick But as a solo guy he is NOT the 60s. He is the 60s with Traffic. He was inducted as part of Traffic 2004. His solo career started in 1977 with self titled album that did Badly. His huge Solo breakthrough was Arc of a Diver in 1981. Steve Winwood is very possible. I don't know the Sonics. I will have to research that one.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 10:54am


I think some Old Rock acts that can be nominated in the next 2 years are Jethro Tull, Todd Rundgren, Bad Company, Doobie Brothers, Emerson,Lake and Palmer, Steve Winwood, Don Henley and Foreigner. These will not all be nominated for 2020. But perhaps in a 2 year period of 2020 and 2021.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 15:38pm


THIS IS WHO NEEDS TO BE INDUCTED BEFORE 21ST CENTURY ARTISTS BECOME ELIGIBLE IN 2025

SECOND INDUCTIONS

Ben E. King
Carole King
Tina Turner
Diana Ross
Phil Collins

MOTOWN

Mary Wells
The Marvelettes
The Spinners

POP

Harry Belafonte
Chubby Checker
Dionne Warwick
Jan & Dean
The Monkees

COUNTRY

Willie Nelson

FOLK

Phil Ochs
Judy Collins
Peter, Paul and Mary
The Kingston Trio

PROG

Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Emerson, Lake and Palmer

JAZZ-ROCK-R&B

Blood, Sweat & Tears
Kool & The Gang
The Commodores

ROCK

The Spencer Davis Group
The Doobie Brothers
Foreigner

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 16:40pm


If we took out solo Freddie Mercuy and inducted the other seven as next years class (Blink-182, Iron Maiden, Motley Crue, Dave Matthews Band, Weezer, Phil Collins and Rage Against The Machine) would that make a good class?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 20:18pm


WAY better than 2018's class was, for damn sure!
#wonthappenthough

Posted by KXB on Tuesday, 04/9/2019 @ 20:57pm


Attention Everyone I am adjusting my predictions for 2020 Rock n'Roll Hall of Fame Nominees:

Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Blood,Sweat & Tears
Devo
Eurythmics
Jethro Tull
Carole King
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
Motley Crue
Notorious BIG
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner

I was really Not confident in Duran Duran. It does Not always happen that presenters that are overdue are then nominated. I was following in the footsteps of Enig. I am more confident about the Eurythmics. I do NOT think it will be both. They are somewhat similar. Annie Lennox gives them the edge.

Also I have added Bad Company. I predicted them last year and that didn't happen. Bad Company were an earlier Hard Rock Band. It is very conceivable they are nominated. I feel strongly that Pat Benatar,Devo and Motley Crue will all be nominated.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/10/2019 @ 13:00pm


Attention Everyone I am adjusting my predictions for 2020 Rock n'Roll Hall of Fame Nominees:

Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Blood,Sweat & Tears
Devo
Eurythmics
Jethro Tull
Carole King
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
Motley Crue
Notorious BIG
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner

I was really Not confident in Duran Duran. It does Not always happen that presenters that are overdue are then nominated. I was following in the footsteps of Enig. I am more confident about the Eurythmics. I do NOT think it will be both. They are somewhat similar. Annie Lennox gives them the edge.

Also I have added Bad Company. I predicted them last year and that didn't happen. Bad Company were an earlier Hard Rock Band. It is very conceivable they are nominated. I feel strongly that Pat Benatar,Devo and Motley Crue will all be nominated.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/10/2019 @ 13:00pm


I'm a little surprised no one is predicting blink-182, since winning the fan vote and all.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/10/2019 @ 13:50pm


BEN
Goood list for 2019-2020. I think Soundgarden and Tina Turner are inspired choices. Here's a look at my soft clay list April 10. 18 Nominees.
1. Bryan Adams 2. Procol Harum🎸3. Jane's Addiction🎸 4. Annie Lennox/The Eurythmics🎸5.Nine Inch Nails 🎸6. Alice In Chains 7. Tina Turner (Solo) 8. Depeche Mode 🎸9. The Sonics 10. Chaka Khan/Rufus🎸 11. Bad Company 12. The Spinners 🎸13. Rage Against The Machine 🎸14. X 15. Iron Maiden 16. Steve Winwood 🎸 17. George Thorogood/The Destroyers 18. The Offspring
🎸=Denotes Past RRHOF Nominee
KING 👑

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 04/10/2019 @ 14:52pm


I think people are not necessarily believing that Blink-182 can maintain their spot at the top of the kiosk voting thorough the end of the year when nominations happen; and also having a hard time seeing them nominated given the recent trends of the nomination committee. I mean it seems like the two people most pushing for punk and metal groups are Tom Morello and Dave Grohl. And both of them seem to be pushing for the heroes of their youth rather than bands that were their contemporaries. If Soundgarden and Smashing Pumpkins can't get nominations, why would we think Blink-182 could?

On the recent subject of generations:
Ben - You wind up in a bit of a transitional period. A bit late for Baby Boom and a bit early for Gen X. There has been some less publicized demographic research on people born in mid fifties to mid sixties which have coined the term Generation Jones for the era.

Generally speaking the Baby Boom occurred starting with the end of WWII and ending around 1964. Gen X is from about the mid-60s to about 1980. Millennials start in the early 80s and go through around 2000. Generation Z starts around the start of the new Millennium and hasn't had an ending period defined yet, but I'd say 2016 seems like a pretty major US cultural transition that will wind up being handy as a generational signpost.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 04/10/2019 @ 17:44pm


Shrek,

Who do you see being nominated for the 2020 class?. and out of the nominees, who do you see being the 2020 Rock Hall inductees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/10/2019 @ 17:53pm


"If Soundgarden and Smashing Pumpkins can't get nominations, why would we think Blink-182 could?"

Because do we know if Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks were really nominated by the Nominating Committee? Last year's ballot looked entirely like a list selected by critics with those two names added. I got the impression even though several women were quoted as saying they decided to choose Nicks over several other contenders that they decided to essentially give the fans two slots to choose the acts on the ballot, probably as a reaction to how many classic rock bands made the ballot in previous years. I imagine the critics and Nominating Committee got sick of it and wanted to get it under control, so they started the Fan Vote to let the fans pick the populist choices and then they would go back to picking almost entire critical choices. I know those women on the NomCom were quoted on choosing Nicks over Pat Benatar and Cyndi Lauper and some others, but I do think this is possible. That without the fan vote they might have agreed on somebody else...

No, I certainly don't want to see Blink-182 on the ballot, but if this is how it's going to work (where the Fan Vote winners automatically make the ballot alongside the remainder of picks that the NomCom collects, or one of the NomCom members will automatically agree to pitch/accept the Fan Vote winners), it is possible they will make the ballot over many other contemporary alt-rock bands who would deserve it more. We just don't know whether this is what they were doing with the Fan Vote.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 04/10/2019 @ 19:28pm


Smashing Pumpkins can't get nominated because Billy Corgan is an Alex Jones fan. (Meaning: A Right-wing conspiracy theorist.)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/10/2019 @ 22:23pm


@ Follower

Pretty much; the voters and the management are afraid to induct more acts who aren’t/weren’t liberals cause they don’t wanna lose out the Hall’s money and relevance. As for Soundgarden, there are two reasons they’re being held back (at least for now): The first one is they never had a Nirvana/Pearl Jam-like commercial success and some their metal influences made it even more harder for them to get in (which should be change soon). Same goes with Alice In Chains.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/11/2019 @ 01:27am


Shrek,

I see that makes sense. Particularly since I was born January 1965. I have always fancied myself born in a transitional period. In terms of music, The Who, Bob Dylan and the Dave Clark Five were all going strong when I was born. I couldn't enjoy their initial success because I was Newborn. I love their music most of my life.

But when I was 10 or 11 I enjoyed the huge hits of Elton John, Doobie Brothers,Steve Miller and Boz Scaggs among hundreds of other 70s people. When I was a teenager Pat Benatar, Cyndi Lauper and the Cars were all over the place. I was there when Van Halen, Thompson Twins and Huey Lewis and the News were all huge also. I am into a large variety. I even a 3 songs by the Smiths even though I am Not a big New wave fan

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/11/2019 @ 08:03am


I just want to say that there is a lot of 80s acts I would like to see get in. A few years ago some had me pegged as Just a Fan of the Old Classic Rock fan of the 60s and 70s. That’s Not totally True. A lot of my Favs are those Old Classic acts like Eric Clapton, Neil Young And Steely Dan. There is however plenty of 80s acts I love. I love the Pretenders,The Cars,Pat Benatar, Cyndi Lauper, Joe Jackson,Squeeze, The Bangles and many others.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/11/2019 @ 15:12pm


Hey I just thought of a Female artist to be Nominated some time. Suzanne Vega. She is great. Nobody has brought her Up. Could the Alarm and the Replacements Get Nominated? These are some other 80s acts to think about. I guess Simple Minds will Never happen. I do know them though. Just some more 80s to mention.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/11/2019 @ 18:44pm


The Dude,

My predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next several years are:

2020: The Doobie Brothers, Duran Duran, Jethro Tull, The Notorious B.I.G., Rage Against The Machine and Tina Turner.

2021: Bad Company, Depeche Mode, Foo Fighters, Foreigner, Whitney Houston and Jay-Z.

2022: Boston, Mariah Carey, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest and The Monkees.

2023: The B-52's, Pat Benatar, King Crimson, Iron Maiden, Todd Rundgren and Soundgarden.

2024: Devo, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Jane's Addiction, MC5, Nine Inch Nails and The Smiths.

2025: Alice In Chains, Joy Division/New Order, Motorhead, The Replacements, Smashing Pumpkins and The White Stripes.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/12/2019 @ 11:22am


@ Richie

While my predictions are different, but yours are pretty interesting. The first three years makes the most sense if that ever happen.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 04/12/2019 @ 11:48am


Tina definitely needs a solo induction.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 04/12/2019 @ 13:20pm


@ Tim

And also needs to be free completely from her abuser.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 04/12/2019 @ 13:32pm


Ben - The Replacements have been nominated before.

The Alarm were a great band, but they are fairly underground, even in the UK. So I think they are well behind a healthy line-up of other punk and alternative acts.

I could see Suzanne Vega eventually getting a nomination, though I think she sits behind several other 80s-90s female singer-songwriters who were more consistently successful and equally as well reviewed by critics.

Richie - You ask that question a lot, which I don't mind; it's just that there's a reason I haven't posted any updated guesses lately. I do regularly try to make these lists like you obviously do; but truthfully I'm struggling much more this year with a feeling of uncertainty with the nominating boards directions and priorities.

I'm not that interested in making lists just based on my own musical tastes and biases. To me, the game is to try to get a good percentage of guesses correct. It's obvious based on history that the people on the committee have much different tastes and biases than my own.

The feelings I do have are that they will stick to 15 nominations again this year. They got a lot of praise this year for the slate of candidates they came up with and the final choice of inductees wound up well reviewed as well.

I believe that there will continue to be renominations for some pet project choices; and there will continue to be some populist choices; and that the nominations and inductions will be oriented to try to ensure at least one woman and at least one person of color get inducted.

But so far, every time I make a list based on those assumptions, I'm not all that happy with it; and I crumble it up and toss it in the trash.

When I eventually get one for this year that actually feels right, I'll post it. And that needs to happen before I try to extend the guesses out for five years (and five years assumes that the nominating committee doesn't have major changes, which is a pretty big assumption).

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 04/12/2019 @ 14:21pm


Hey Everyone I am updating my Predictions for the 2020 Nominees.This is the last time before the Summer I will update. But you see I had several 70s acts and I was slightly short on 80s. The 80s has been a focus in the last few years.

Pat Benatar
Blood,Sweat & Tears
Devo
Eurythmics
Jethro Tull
Carole King
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
Motley Crue
Notorious BIG
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Smiths
Tina Turner

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/12/2019 @ 18:54pm


Ben,

My predictions for the 2020 Rock Hall nominees are:

Bad Company
Beck
Pat Benatar
Devo
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Jethro Tull
Carole King
Kraftwerk
The Notorious B.I.G.
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/12/2019 @ 19:51pm


Thing to remember is that when it comes to Boston and Bad Company and Doobie Brothers (etc.), it's clear that the recent ballot was a reaction AGAINST those artists getting in with ease due to being classic rock picks. No doubt in my mind that The Doobie Brothers would be inducted immediately if they WERE on the ballot, but that would come at the expense of the pet favorites of other members of the nominating committee. Your own favorite has a much lower chance of getting in if a spot is "reserved" for a classic rock act.

Now, you wonder if there will be blowback to, say, Depeche Mode. With The Cure, Roxy Music and Radiohead all getting in this year, it's clear that an act like Depeche Mode or Duran Duran would get in fairly easily next time they're on the ballot. So, if you are Questlove, do you try and DENY them a ballot spot because you think it will help the "why is she still being nominated" Chaka Khan? Or will whomever keeps raising their hand and yelling "LL Cool J! LL Cool J!" (to paraphrase a recent Todd Rundgren comment) try and block these acts as well?

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 04/13/2019 @ 00:13am


The reason I adjusted my list in fact was to increase the 80s. I sacrificed Bad Company for an 80s spot. I added The Smiths for another 80s act. This lowers the Classic Rock. I do love the Rock known as Classic Rock. I am Not trying to make a list based on my musical tastes. The game is to try to get as many guesses right. I do certainly like some Bad Company a lot. That doesn't mean the Hall will agree by nominating them. Neither Bad Company or the Doobie Brothers have been nominated thus far.

I am keeping Jethro Tull. The Hall skipped a year on a true Prog rock group. I have noticed that in the last couple years the Hall has a few Classic Rock acts but keeps it minimal.

It was mentioned that the Replacements and the Alarm don't have that much chance of being nominated that soon. The Replacements were nominated a few years ago without much result. The Smiths on the other hand would be a rather strong nominee. Now that the Cure have broken the ice for 80s Alternative/New Wave the Smiths seem very logical. I am covering synth pop with Kraftwerk. Now if the Smiths are nominated I am not sure they will be Inducted or not. They are more likely than before. I can definitely see Devo,Eurythmics and the Smiths on a Ballot at the same time. As far as my tastes I like the Smith more than the Cure. I predicted the Cure based on Trends. I am slightly better personally with the Smiths than the Cure. I am not an aficionado of either.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/13/2019 @ 08:58am


If I were to speculate on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Doobie Brothers
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner
10. The Spinners
11. The Monkees
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Iron Maiden
14. Twisted Sister
15. Depeche Mode
16. Eurythmics
17. Rage Against The Machine
18. OutKast
19. Soundgarden

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/13/2019 @ 20:40pm


Oops, I forgot Pat Benatar.

Well, the recent inductions of Roxy Music, The Cure and The Zombies into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame last Friday evening, could lead to nominations for Duran Duran and The Bangles and re-nominations for Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode. So, I have started this list with those four artists.


01. Duran Duran
02. The Bangles
03. Depeche Mode
04. Nine Inch Nails

Out of those 4, I think that Duran Duran and The Bangles stand the best chances of induction.

01. Duran Duran
02. The Bangles

Okay, now we need 5, or perhaps 6 more artists to add to the 2020 Inductees list.


So, how about this list?

01. Duran Duran
02. The Bangles
03. Sade
04. Carly Simon
05. Doobie Brothers
06. Pat Benatar
07. Jethro Tull
08. Tina Turner

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/13/2019 @ 20:44pm


This is what Alex said about Motley Crue on his site.

“But Motley Crue is also problematic– more show than musicianship in my opinion, and their comments about Sylvia Rhone make them especially toxic in this environment.“

My response to this:

“If you guys don’t want the Crue in the Hall, then it means you don’t want Priest, Maiden and Motörhead in. If they induct them, it would be more easier to induct certain names in. I’m all for more diversities in race, gender, internationalism, and of course, music genres; but adding more political correctness would only make things worse for fans of rock and metal (which is what those genres were against back in the 70’s and 80’s) – It’s a poor excuse to make the Hall relevant cause playing safe is a bad thing.”

“Alex, you do realize Motley was the first “hair” band and started the movement, right? Def Leppard isn’t cause they started off as a more standard 80’s hard rock band before they jumped on the bandwagon with their own spin. Motley influenced a lot of names other than their peers during their heyday, including more modern names like Trapt, Papa Roach, Hinder, Nickelback, Black Veil Brides, Refused, Mr. Bungle, Manson, Buckcherry, Avenged Sevenfold, and many more.”

“As for Nikki Sixx’s controversy with Sylvia Rhone, he actually man up and apologized in a sincere way. The band is way different than they were in the 80’s and 90’s. Skipping the Crue would only hurt more chances for actually metal bands to get in and make the fans’ relationship with the Hall even worse. If you want certain names in and more diversity, then cut back the political correctness.”

“And just because I said that doesn’t mean I’m being a rockist; I’m a huge rock fan who have a lot of problems with those kind of fans and their ideologies right now (mostly the older ones).”

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 04/14/2019 @ 22:49pm


*actual

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 04/15/2019 @ 00:01am


Dude,

"Hair metal" is a very fluid term, subject to revisionist interpretation. Growing up in the '80s, I remember KISS, Van Halen, and Def Leppard all being included under the umbrella of "Hair metal"... Guns N' Roses too.

And honestly, if you wanna induct Motley Crue for being the first hair metal band... then you must also want to induct Ohio Express for being the first "bubblegum" act, right? First is first, after all.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 04/15/2019 @ 00:31am


@ Phil

VH and GNR have never been “hair” bands. Kiss did had some glam influences during their early years, but they didn’t sound much like the Crue both purely and similarly until they jumped on the bandwagon for three or four albums straight during the 80’s. Same goes with Leppard and Aerosmith except the quantities of their albums are different.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 04/15/2019 @ 01:39am


Hey Dude,

Very well said. I was fully around at that time. I was 18-19 in the early 80s. I remember Kiss,Van Halen and GnR included under the umbrella of Heavy Metal. But NOT NOT Hair Metal. Motley Crue was Hair Metal and so were Cinderella and Dokken. I am Not an aficionado on Heavy Metal. I had this friend back in 1985,86. He was one of the biggest Van Halen fans I know. He never considered Van Halen a Hair Metal band. Just Partying Hard Rock band. Kiss jumped on the bandwagon with albums like Crazy Nights. I was trying to talk about other genres. I have a current friend that knows a lot about this. I will ask him what he has to say. This friend is a Heavy Metal expert.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/15/2019 @ 09:29am


I want to cover a much more usual Genre for me. The Prog. I think next year will be the year Jethro Tull are nominated. I would expect them to be inducted as well. They got that Illegitimate Grammy back around 1987. But as a Prog choice they are perfect. Jethro Tull were a rather major act in the 1970s. The Hall skipped a year for a Key prog. One could say Roxy Music are but they are also associated with Glam and an avant guard style that is Not entirely Prog. Enig an elaborate.

But Jethro Tull were a true Prog act with albums like Thick as a Brick,Passion Play and War Child. Ian Anderson certainly popularized the Flute in Rock. Emerson,Lake and Palmer and King Crimson are other Prog acts that come to mind. But as with the Moody Blues I think the Hall will hold off on those. I think Jethro Tull will be the one Prog act on the Ballot. I mean its possible but not likely to have 2 Prog acts on the ballot at the same time. I know this happened with ELO and Yes. I think that was only because of the influence of the great Jeff Lynne.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/15/2019 @ 11:58am


Re-reading my post, I actually misspoke. It probably varies from market to market, depending on how they were promoted, but all those acts were considered "heavy metal." I never heard the term "hair metal" until the early 2000's, which was used. The markers generally included big hair, wild personae, big stage shows (often leaning heavily on pyrotechnics), etc. VH, GnR, and DL definitely by those metrics could be, and generally were, lumped in. And the descriptor was generally to differentiate them from metal acts such as Metallica and Anthrax.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 04/15/2019 @ 21:09pm


Philip,

Your last Post makes more sense. You seem to be around the same age as me. I was born in 1965. So I was a teenager in the early 80s. You are right. I remember that there was No term Hair metal yet. When I saw Twisted Sister with Ratt and Lita Ford in 1984 no friend said I am going to a Hair Metal show. It was just a Heavy Metal show. I have said I am Not an aficionado of Metal but I did go to several Heavy metal show.

VH,GnR and Def Lep did get lumped in with some kind of Heavy Metal. I recall the Old term was Pop Metal. The term Pop metal was used to differentiate them from metal acts like Metallica, Anthrax and Iron Maiden. Pop metal was also referred to as Hard Rock. Now Motley Crue are sort of actual Heavy Metal. In this case if Motley Crue are nominated there could also be a Mellower Hard rock band nominated also. Perhaps not from the 80s. Hard Rock goes back very far to the early 70s.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/16/2019 @ 10:15am


@ Ben

That's true; the glamy hard rock bands from the 80's like the Crue and the early Bon Jovi had different terms like "pop metal" or "light metal." "Hair metal" was coined when the movement ended with a legacy, as the 90's went in. I mostly see it as a marketing term for certain bands from a certain era.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 04/16/2019 @ 13:27pm


Hey Dude,

That is right. I first heard the term Hair Metal around 1994. That was certainly far after the heyday of the Original 80s Heavy Metal scene was over. By 1994 all those "pop metal" bands like Cinderella and Poison had a really tough time. As you say nothing more than a marketing term.

Before that from 1983-1988 especially it was the heyday of the original Heavy Metal scene. The pop Metal got thrown in with the other Heavy Metal. There was Headbangers Ball on MTV I did NOT watch that too much. It took a long time for me to get MTV. And I was more into the Regular Rock of the time.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/16/2019 @ 14:29pm


Ben,

Hate to disappoint you, but I was born during the Reagan administration. I had older siblings though. And I basically was forced to listen to what they listened to. For my older brothers, it meant a lot of metal, including the "hair" variety. The eldest sibling had two KISS posters in his room. The other brother wore Metallica T-shirts. Not that I'm an expert by any means, but I also remember watching VH1 countdown the Top 40 hair bands, while I was in college, and if I remember correctly, they put all those acts on that list. That was over 15 years ago, though.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 04/16/2019 @ 22:45pm


In regards to the phrase "Hair Metal", you guys are correct in stating that this label was after the fact, coined in the early to mid 90's, as a derogatory term, making fun of the outrageous styles and hair of the 80's Rock scene. From what I recall, the correct description is "Glam Metal", which is defined as a sub genre of Heavy Metal. Also, there is Pop Metal, which is a mixture of Glam metal and Heavy metal, which has been said, Def Lepperd incorporated into their style.
The excellent documentary, "Headbanger's Journey", distinguishes the bands categorized between these 2 sub genres. The term Glam Metal was derived because of the influence of the style and dress of Glam Rock, into the 80's metal rock scene, with the flamboyant stage style and dress, big hair and makeup. Heavy Metal, with it's origins, of course in the early Sabbath era, was progressing in the late 70's, mostly with 4 albums by Judas Priest, beginning with "Sin After Sin" in 1977, "Stained Class", 1978, "Hell Bent For Leather", and the great "British Steel" in 1980. Iron Maiden had their first 2 groundbreaking Heavy Metal albums in '79-'80, with "Iron Maiden" and "Killers", and Motorhead was kicking ass as well.

With Glam Metal(I suppose now it is referred to as Hair metal, as an affectionate term that has stuck like bad hair spray, over the years),it has been said that Van Halen was a big inspiration for it. Because they both originated on the Sunset Strip in L.A., David Lee Roth's over the top stage antics, and Eddie's incredible shredding. To me, I just considered Van Halen to be an innovative, kick ass Rock band, breaking new ground. There were a few other late 70's Rock bands like Angel, Starz, Piper, Teaze, and Legs Diamond that may have influenced a little.

Motley Crue, Dokken, Def Lepperd, and Kix all released albums in 1981, getting it all started, and Nightranger followed in '82, and all hell broke loose in 1983, with a slew of albums, and Quiet Riot hitting #1 with "Metal Health". Then you have bands like Kiss getting in, and although Guns and Roses gets included in Glam metal, I think they were attempting to move away from it with their own harder edged sound. The rest, as they say, is History..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 04/17/2019 @ 01:20am


"Hair metal" I believe I first heard in the late 80s, but it was a colloquial term, as I was just a young kid by the end of the decade...they also called it "butt rock" here. It was meant derogatory, as in a guilty pleasure...but it did lump in Def Leppard, Crue, and Bon Jovi. I think it's mainly due to a couple compilation albums put out by Time Life around the time...metal ballads in the mid to late 80s to about 1991 were the main focus of these lumpings. It's largely appreciated today, although occasionally to mean people who think the late 80s were the last great era of rock n roll and despise grunge, of which I am not one...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/17/2019 @ 06:35am


I am going to move on to another genre. I think Pat Benatar is a good pick for a female of Regular Rock in the 80s. I mean if Stevie Nicks can get in for her solo career then surely Pat Benatar can surely get in. She has to be nominated first. Her first 4 albums were solid albums in her career. Her early albums had very slightly Hard Rock. She was mellower by the time of hits like We Belong.

As I said I also see Devo,Eurythmics and the Smiths as good picks for the 80s. Ive been mentioning a bunch of 80s because that's seems to be focus for the Hall.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/17/2019 @ 09:04am


IMO, Guns n Roses was never any kind of 'hair' or 'metal' band. They were/are a hard rock band with members who have long hair.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 04/17/2019 @ 09:56am


Ben,

Jethro Tull would be a great choice and I would be very supportive of their long overdue nomination. I think that Jethro Tull had received the Grammy award in 1989, because the N.A.R.A.S. has never recognized progressive rock. This behavior is extremely short-sighted, contemptuous and blatantly ignorant in my honest opinion. Case in point, although Rush has been nominated for a Grammy Award 7 times and has deserved this honor, they have yet to receive one.

Of course, there is one other possibility. The rock music critics may attempt to place King Crimson on the Rock Hall Nominating Committee’s List later this year. Unfortunately, many of them happen to believe rather incorrectly that King Crimson had been the first “prog” band and that their debut release, “In The Court Of The Crimson King” had been the first Prog album. They tend to ignore their predecessors and tend to place them in the Proto-Prog category, instead.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 04/17/2019 @ 10:28am


Ben,

If Pat Benatar does happen to appear on the ballot, I would most probably vote for her, but not over Carly Simon, nor Sade, nor The Bangles. However, I would most certainly vote for Pat Benatar over the Go-Gos without even the slightest hesitation whatsoever.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 04/17/2019 @ 10:58am


K-Dawg,

Thanks for that input. It goes a little ways in proving that marketing has a lot to do with perception.

Fwiw, the only artist I've ever heard referred to as "butt rock" is Ted Nugent, because he wasn't talented enough to be lumped in with the arena bands, who were semi-pejoratively dubbed "cock rock." And because he's (according the one who called him "butt rock") more morally reprehensible than Gene Simmons.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 04/17/2019 @ 11:51am


SWEET!! Motley Crue is now my most recent band who recognized me as a valued commenter on Facebook! They also liked my reaction on The Dirt.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 04/17/2019 @ 13:15pm


Enig,

I would most definitely Vote for Pat Benatar over the Go Gos. Pat Benatar can easily be on a ballot with Carly Simon and Sade. Carly S is in the singer/songwriter Category and Sade is progressive Jazz Pop,something like that. One can then vote for those 3 at the same time. I would vote for Pat Benatar over the Bangles also.

Just to go further I would vote for both Pat Benatar and Carole King at the Same time. I predicted them both.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 09:00am


Enig,

I would most definitely Vote for Pat Benatar over the Go Gos. Pat Benatar can easily be on a ballot with Carly Simon and Sade. Carly S is in the singer/songwriter Category and Sade is progressive Jazz Pop,something like that. One can then vote for those 3 at the same time. I would vote for Pat Benatar over the Bangles also.

Just to go further I would vote for both Pat Benatar and Carole King at the Same time. I predicted them both.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 09:00am


I also think Pat Benatar has a better case than The Go Gos. Pat should already be in.

To me (although I really like them), the Go Gos are borderline to not gonna get in.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 10:50am


Am I the only one who thinks New York Dolls will get another nomination? Roxy Music’s induction has open the doors for them. And since MC5 couldn’t make it at this point, the nom com might wanna give another try with the Dolls.

On the other hand, when it comes to 70’s glam rock, it’s possible they could try out with T. Rex cause the band have about only one radio staple and they originally started off as a psychedelic folk band, which they would get a lot votes for.

Whaddya think?

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 11:13am


Hey Dude,

If anything I think Mott The Hoople Stand a Better Chance than New York Dolls Or TRex. This is because of the surprise appearance of Ian Hunter to perform All the Young Dudes. Joe Elliot said he was a fan of Mott the Hoople Back in the mid 70s.
On a related topic I’ve been looking on some of the RnR Hall ceremonies of the Past. Today I played some stuff from the 2014 RnR Hall Ceremony. Its good looking at the past to see where we go. There was a tribute to Linda Ronstadt.Stevie Nicks was part of that. And she was Now Inducted this year. Joan Jett sang in the Nirvana tribute. And then the Following year in 2015 Joan Jett was inducted.

In the Case Of Ian Hunter appearing this year. This can easily lead to a nomination of Mott the Hoople or Ian Hunter Solo.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 12:11pm


This is NOT to say Mott the Hoople will definitively be Inducted but it can lead to a Nomination next Year. They may give Mott a Shot. It’s possible. I will leave them out for now.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 12:24pm


Dude, I just don't think T-Rex has enough material to get in. Due to that guy's untimely death, but the Hall (or members) don't seem to give a deceased artist (see Croce, Jim) the benefit of the doubt that they would have made more killer music.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 15:11pm


@ Paul

Marc Bolan outlived the 27 Club - including eight or maybe more inducted members - and passed at 29; that’s the same age Lynyrd Skynyrd‘s Ronnie Van Zant died. T.Rex made only twelve studio albums on their catalog from 68 to 77. For a band that ended with a tragic death 32 years ago, that actually sounds like enough music material to meet the Hall’s criteria.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 15:35pm


Dude,

What about my suggestion for Mott The Hoople Or Ian Hunter. His appearance can lead to that. He was Not a Presenter but he performed at the Ceremony. I read alll about it.

T Rex is possible But Mott the Hoople is more possible or perhaps Ian Hunter as Solo is even more Possible.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 15:43pm


@ Ben

I didn’t think much about Mott the Hopple, but I do remember when Joe from Leppard said he wanted one of the members from that band to be their inductor before they settled on Brian May. So, it could happen.

Slade would have to be toughest glam band from the 70’s to induct. Everybody knows “Cum on Feel the Noize,” but most people are more familiar with Quit Riot’s version (who will never get in).

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 16:04pm


BEN
Carole King was inducted into the Songwriters HOF (1987) and RRHOF 1990 in the Non-Performer 4 Songwriting. I wonder if the Hall believes she has been inducted sufficiently. However, I'm curious if she receives a 2nd induction. This Ian Hunter situation arrived out of nowhere. He will be inducted via the Musical Excellence award or earn an outright induction. I'm thinking Duran Duran 2020-2021 a year away. My guess Depeche Mode and Eurythmics this cycle. As you witnessed during the snub tourney, Depeche Mode should be nominated this year on the RRHOF ballot again. They have influence, innovation, longevity, musical excellence etc. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 18:09pm


Eligible Rock Artists From The Top 100 Ranking in Joel Whitburn's Rock Tracks 1981-2008:


38 Special
Alice In Chains - FRL inductee
Asia
Bad Company - FRL inductee
Billy Idol - FRL inductee
Billy Squier
The Black Crowes
Bush
Bryan Adams
Collective Soul
Eddie Money
The Fixx
Foreigner
Huey Lewis (& The News)
INXS
Lenny Kravitz
Loverboy
Megadeth - FRL inductee
Motley Crue - FRL inductee
The Offspring - FRL inductee
Pat Benatar - FRL inductee
Queensryche
R.E.O Speedwagon
Scorpions
Smashing Pumpkins - FRL inductee
Stone Temple Pilots - FRL inductee
Tesla
Tool - FRL inductee


Solo Artists That Are Already Inductees:

David Lee Roth
Don Henley
Jimmy Page
Ozzy Osbourne - FRL inductee
Phil Collins
Robert Plant
Sammy Hagar
Steve Winwood - former nominee
Sting - former nominee

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 04/18/2019 @ 18:11pm


I do acknowledge the fact that Mott the Hoople, and Ian Hunter, are great, highly influential, and worthy of Rock Hall nomination. However, I believe that T. Rex are even more influential and had achieved a higher level of stardom and popularity, so be it in Great Britain and Europe, rather than the U.S. They were pioneers in the Glam Rock movement, along with Bowie, Slade, Roxy Music, etc. I think it would be safe to say that T. Rex should already be in the RRHOF.

And if we are speaking of the time period, say '68 to '75, for the impact of Rock n' Roll, you cannot discount the American band, who was one of the hugest, and most popular acts of the early '70's, and that would be Grand Funk Railroad, one of the most overlooked and underrated bands ever. In a 15 year period, they released 13 studio albums and 2 live albums of quality material. They should at least warrant a nomination. It may be that they suffer critical acclaim, maybe from being to Basic rock and roll. They had no gimmicks, just hard driving, blue collar, party time, go for broke, energetic, and working man's rock and roll, with fan oriented, in your face and have a good time, live stage shows. This band should never be discarded as ordinary.

Another band with similar circumstances, who are a personal favorite from the same era is Steppenwolf. I realize they did get a nomination, which is great, but they probably should already be in the Hall. The New York Dolls were also mentioned, and they also deserve a nom.

Out of these 5 bands, IMO, the order for nomination and induction would be;

T.Rex - : Steppenwolf - : New York Dolls - : Grand Funk Railroad - : Mott the Hoople

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 04/19/2019 @ 00:18am


Will N.,

I myself have Not included Mott the Hoople in my predictions yet. I am Not sure about this one yet. Its Just a thought. I only thought of this because Of Ian Hunter’s appearance in the All Star Jam. I am thinking More in terms of Ian Hunter Solo. The fact is Mott the Hoople were only around for a few years. Now Ian Hunter as Solo act has a 40 plus Year career. An album that’s notable is You’re Never alone with a Schitzophrenic. I will take Mott the Hoople off the Plate. Ian Hunter could be Nominated in the same way Todd Rundgren was. A 70s act with a very limited amount of hits who had a rather large Cult following. In which Case T. Rex is the most likely of the acts above. Steppenwolf would be perfect as a nominee except for one problem. They were jipped with their induction in the stupid singles Category with Born to Be Wild.

This leaves New York Dolls and Grand Funk Railroad. New York Dolls also Deserve a Nom. The Hall should give MC5 a Rest and nominate them. Grand Funk Railroad are one of the most overlooked bands in Rock History. As You said they had lots of albums. But they lack critical acclaim and there doesn’t seem to be enough buzz and High demand. Again though I have Not predicted Mott the Hoople At all Yet. It was just a thought.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/19/2019 @ 06:02am


Dude, quality material. Other than 'Bang the Gong' and a few others, I don't hear any T-Rex songs ever.

I know he & the band have alot of influence points, though.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 04/19/2019 @ 06:59am


Ben,
It is possible that Mott the Hoople or Ian Hunter could very well get a nomination in the near future, and it is so great that he was acknowledged and honored for All The Young Dudes. I can't wait to see the performance. It seems it is never written in stone on who will get the nod for nomination. All of the speculation does add the cool element of mystery.
I do agree with you on the NY Dolls, and Steppenwolf deserves recognition for their entire body of work. About Grand Funk, I agree with your assertion, and it is a shame that their conceived status is what it is. I also think that Mark Farner departing the band, as he did, was a major factor in their decline. However, their last 2, extremely overlooked studio albums with Mark are definitely worth a listen. "Grand Funk Lives"(1981) and "What's Funk?"(1982), are a couple of my favorites, along with "Survival"(1971).

So many artists have claimed Marc Bolan and T. Rex as an influence, which makes them very difficult to exclude going forward. In my late teens, early 20's, I was into the T. Rex albums, "Electric Warrior", and "The Slider" for a brief period, and should probably revisit them again. I would recommend these 2 for a crash course into T. Rex, just consider the fact that they are nearing their 50th anniversary of release.

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 01:01am


I see a LOT of 60s and early 70s predictions popping up. This is just my opinion, but I feel the Hall is already saturated with these acts. While there is a vocal contingent that believes no good music was created after 1972, the contemporary voters are going to select stuff they grew up with. The swing has been into the 80s for a few years now, and with the 90s fading into the past year by year, we will soon get a glut of that decade. Voters can select whoever they want, but they, like everyone, will get older. I don't see many more 60s acts getting in through conventional means. I will admit I have a couple pet favorites (Monkees, Jethro Tull if you really can consider them 60s but prog is on a different level for its due, and they will get in this year or next); however, the time for the 80s to fully be embraced towards the 90s is now in full swing. Just my .02

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 06:06am


K-Dawg,

I do agree with you on the focus of 80s. In the last couple of years there have been 6-8 nominees that are 80s acts. I admit I threw myself into the Discussion of New York Dolls,T. Rex,etc.I threw in Mott the Hoople. Those are all 70s acts. 1970s acts are Still Viable. The 60s Not So Much. TRex had a major breakthrough around 1972. But yes the focus is on the 80s.

I am for my part predicting a slew of 80s acts. I am predicting Pat Benatar, Devo,Eurythmics,The Smiths, Motley Crue and Tina Turner. This supports what you say. I have withdrawn Duran Duran for 2020 but I feel they will be nominated for 2021 perhaps. Other names to look for in the next few years are Cyndi Lauper,Thompson Twins,Depeche Mode,the Bangles,The Go-Gos,Foreigner and Judas Priest. There is many others. This is my way of saying I agree with you that the swing has been into the 80s a few years now.

I also admit I have a couple pet favorites of the 60s and 70s(Blood,Sweat &Tears,Jethro Tull,Emerson,Lake and Palmer and Perhaps T. Rex at this point).Ones In the 70s still have a good shot as opposed to the 60s. It seems good to separate 70s from 60s. You didn’t specify the 70s. There is for instance Peter Frampton who was big in the mid to Late 70s.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 10:18am


I posted it yesterday on my Twitter account, but here’s my initial picks for 2020:
Tracy Chapman
The Commodores
Depeche Mode
Devo
The Go-Go’s
Jane’s Addiction
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
The Notorious B.I.G.
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
T. Rex
Tommy James and the Shondells
Warren Zevon

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 11:01am


If I were to speculate about which artists might appear on the list of 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees, the list might look like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Doobie Brothers
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner
10. The Spinners
11. The Monkees
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Beck
14. Weezer
15. Depeche Mode
16. Eurythmics
17. Rage Against The Machine
18. OutKast
19. Soundgarden
20. Pat Benatar

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 13:44pm


ENIG
Strong list Sir but this RRHOF Nominees List for 2019-2020 cycle KING of the mountain.
1. Stone Temple Pilots
2. Depeche Mode
3. Procol Harum
4. Tina Turner (Solo)
5. Nine Inch Nails
6. Morrissey
7. Jane's Addiction
8. Judas Priest
9. Annie Lennox/The Eurythmics
10. The Sonics
11. Rage Against The Machine
12. Bad Company
13. T. Rex
14. Alice In Chains
15. The Spinners
16. Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine
17. X
18. Iron Maiden
19. Rufus/Chaka Khan
20. Tommy James & The Shondells
21. Steve Winwood

I think Nick's pick of Tommy James is inspired. He really has been neglected for nomination for too long.

KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 14:07pm


KING,

That is a very interesting list, but I really don’t think that T. Rex will appear on this list for quite a while. Who is X? I think that the Rock Hall has finally moved past the punk rock acts. From your list, I would vote for the following artists:

01. Procol Harum
02. Tina Turner (solo)
03. Steve Winwood
04. The Spinners
05. Bad Company or Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine


Although, it is just my opinion. Here is who, I think that at this point, will most probably appear on the list later this year:

01. Weezer
02. Beck
03. OutKast
04. MC5
05. Procol Harum
06. Jethro Tull
07. Duran Duran
08. Rage Against The Machine
09. Nine Inch Nails
10. Depeche Mode
11. Eurythmics
12. Carole King, or Carly Simon
13. The Spinners
14. Rufus w/ Chaka Khan, or Sade
15. Todd Rundgren
16. Tina Turner (solo)
17. Soundgarden
18. The Bangles
19. The Go-gos
20. Pat Benatar
21. Doobie Brothers

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 14:35pm


From Nick’s list, I would vote for the following:

01. Jethro Tull
02. Tracy Chapman
03. The Commodores
04. Kraftwerk
05. Depeche Mode, or Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 14:45pm


Okay this is fun, now let’s look at a totally unrealistic list:

01. Iron Maiden
02. Judas Priest
03. Motley Crue
04. The Monkees
05. Cher
06. The Partridge Family
07. Sonny & Cher
08. The Osmonds
09. Emerson Lake & Palmer
10. Styx
11. Marillion
12. Dream Theater
13. The Archie’s
14. The Raspberries
15. Butthole Surfers
16. Killer Pussy
17. Carpenters
18. Motörhead
19. Ratt
20. Poison
21. Quiet Riot

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 14:57pm


On second thought, I still like this list the best; in fact, I almost “love” it. :

If I were to speculate on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Doobie Brothers
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. The Spinners
11. The Monkees
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Iron Maiden
14. Twisted Sister
15. Depeche Mode
16. Eurythmics
17. Rage Against The Machine
18. OutKast
19. Pat Benatar
20. Beck
19. Soundgarden

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 15:39pm


On second thought, I still like this list the best; in fact, I almost “love” it. :

If I were to speculate on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Doobie Brothers
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. The Spinners
11. The Monkees
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Iron Maiden
14. Twisted Sister
15. Depeche Mode
16. Eurythmics
17. Rage Against The Machine
18. OutKast
19. Pat Benatar
20. Beck
21. Soundgarden

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 15:41pm


Motley Crue just surpassed Iron Maiden in the Rock Hall kiosk. Now they just need to beat blink-182.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 04/20/2019 @ 19:29pm


In regards to Enig's list (the 21 nominees), here would be the five I would submit on the first day of the Fan Ballot (aka: my top 5)

Jethro Tull
The Doobie Brothers
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
Soundgarden


As for who from the Ballot that I think would be voted in by the Hall Voting Committee, here would be my picks up to 7 (my predicted order of who would get the most votes)


1. Tina Turner (solo)
2. Soundgarden
3. Jethro Tull
4. Todd Rundgren
5. The Doobie Brothers
6. Depeche Mode
7. Eurythmics

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 04/21/2019 @ 01:13am


From Nick's list of predictions, I would vote for the following 5 on the first day of the Fan Vote...

Depeche Mode
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
T. Rex

Ultimately, my predictions for the top vote getters would be as follows....


1. T. Rex
2. Warren Zevon
3. Jethro Tull
4. The Notorious B.I.G.
5. Depeche Mode
6. Rufus feat. Chaka Khan
7. The Commodores
8. Tracy Chapman
9. Tommy James and the Shondells
10. Rage Against the Machine
11. Judas Priest
12. Kraftwerk
13. The Go Go's
14. Devo
15. Jane's Addiction

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 04/21/2019 @ 04:00am


For King's list, the 5 I would vote for on the opening day of the Fan Vote would be...

Depeche Mode
Judas Priest
Eurythmics
T. Rex
Alice In Chains


The top 8 likely vote getters would be....

1. Tina Turner (solo)
2. T. Rex
3. Bad Company
4. Steve Winwood
5. Depeche Mode
6. Rufus and Chaka Khan
7. Eurythmics
8. Nine Inch Nails

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 04/21/2019 @ 04:08am


Starting with Nick's list, my five votes would be for:

The Go-Go’s
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Tommy James and the Shondells

Enig's first list, my five would be:

Procol Harum
Kraftwerk
Tina Turner
The Spinners
OutKast

From KING's list:

Tina Turner (Solo)
The Spinners
Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine
Rufus/Chaka Khan
Tommy James & The Shondells

Enig's second post:

OutKast
Carole King
The Spinners
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Tina Turner (solo)

Enig's "unrealistic" third post, I'd choose:

Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Cher
Sonny & Cher
Motörhead

Just so we're clear, from the above ballot, I eliminated Styx before I crossed off the Archies. Now from Enig's fourth post:

Procol Harum
Kraftwerk
Tina Turner (solo)
The Spinners
OutKast

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 04/21/2019 @ 12:01pm


I am referencing my older list, In deference to Evelyn McDonnell, Kristen Studard and Joe Kwaczala’s most recent “Who Cares About The Rock Hall Podcast.”

Shrek & Philip,

I agree with you, however I was attempting to include only 100% female acts, in deference to Evelyn McDonnell’s article,
“The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.“ I think that a more likely scenario would be to include acts whose lead singer/songwriter/composer are female and whose other members may be male. Unlike men, ladies do not seem to form that many all female bands. Most of the artists on my list were solo artists. Now, a more realistic scenario would be to include more female acts on subsequent nomination lists. Of course, I would include Sade, because I feel that they represent an act whose lead singer/songwriter/composer is female, but the other members are male. Also, a 100% female ballot would be a very tough sell to most of the voting public. So, let’s look at a hybrid list of male and female acts who might appear on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominee’s List, instead after the original list:


Regarding Evelyn McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.”

Yes, I do believe that more female artists should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I am not as likely to vote for the Go-Gos, as I would The Bangles. I am much more likely to vote for Carly Simon and Carole King, then I am The Runaways. If the unthinkable did actually happen, i.e. a completely female ballot, it might look somewhat like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Carly Simon
03. Carole King
04. Tina Turner
05. Kate Bush
06. Sheryl Crow
07. k. d. lang
08. Melissa Etheridge
09. Shania Twain
10. Björk
11. Tori Amos
12. Martina McBride
13. Whitney Houston
14. Dionne Warwick
15. TLC
16. Salt n Pepa
17. Queen Latifah
18. The Go-Gos
19. The Runaways
20. Cher

Unfortunately, it would exclude Sade due to 4 of their male members, The Eurythmics, The Carpenters, etc.

Therefore, a more realistic scenario would be a hybrid of the two. A list which looks more like this:

01. Sade
02. Sheryl Crow
03. Tori Amos
04. The Bangles
05. Carly Simon
06. Duran Duran
07. Jethro Tull
08. Procol Harum
09. Tina Turner
10. Carole King
11. Doobie Brothers
12. Carpenters
13. Beck
14. OutKast
15. Kraftwerk
16. Eurythmics
17. Depeche Mode
18. Smashing Pumpkins
19. Nine Inch Nails
20. Pixies

Well, what do you think?

Even more unlikely would be a complete list of all hybrid male/female artists whose lead singer is female, in addition to solo female artists and all female bands:

01. Sade
02. Renaissance
03. Missing Persons
04. No Doubt
05. Eurythmics
06. Carpenters
07. Carly Simon
08. Carole King
09. Tina Turner
10. Cher
11. k.d. lang
12. Tori Amos
13. TLC
14. Salt ‘n’ Pepa
15. Queen Latifah
16. Shania Twain
17. Sheryl Crow
18. The Bangles
19. The Go-Gos

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04.2.19 @ 10:40am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/21/2019 @ 12:50pm


Enig,

Scene 1, my five choices:

Carole King
Tina Turner
Whitney Houston
The Go-Go's
Cher

Scene 2:

Protocol Harum
Carole King
Tina Turner
Outkast
Kraftwerk

Scene 3:

No Doubt
Carole King
Tina Turner
The Go-Go's
Salt-n-Pepa

Also, if by some chance the NomComm did an all-female ballot, the Marvelettes would definitely be back, as would solo Chaka, and maybe even the Chantels.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 04/21/2019 @ 16:22pm


Philip,

Thank you for your input. I hope that you can return to posting on your “Rock Hall Monitors” Blog, in the not too distant future.

Of course, I am extremely interested in watching the HBO version of the 2019 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony which is scheduled to air at 8 p.m. on Saturday night on HBO.

Lately, I have been pre-occupied with debating about Season 8 of “Game Of Thrones” and I had once again perused the documentaries about XTC and Rush which had aired on Showtime.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04/22/2019 @ 11:02am


Donnie, Phillip, KING, and Enigmaticus,
Thank you all for your input. My initial list is more of a ‘gut feeling’ where I think the nominating committee will go when they have the annual September meeting in NYC. And, of course, my list is subject to change because anything can happen between now and August (when I plan to finalize my 2020 choices on my blog). I will be paying special attention to the museum’s kiosk since that apparently had a part in Stevie Nicks and Def Leppard’s nominations and eventual inductions. Maybe I’ll throw a bone for Motley Crue (ugh), Iron Maiden, or Phil Collins (who I predicted last year).

Posted by Nick on Monday, 04/22/2019 @ 11:12am


Nick,

Tracy Chapman,Commodores,T. Rex, Tommy James And the Shondells And Warren Zevon are all inspired picks. I am strongly considering T. Rex. I will Not be finalizing my 2020 nomination list until August either. I will probably go with 17 or 18 picks. Makes it easier and it’s Not a Sure thing that it will only be 15 Nominees.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/22/2019 @ 12:21pm


https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dirt_2019

95% of the audience love the Dirt, and surprisingly love it even more than Bohemian Rhapsody.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 04/24/2019 @ 11:18am


Hey FRL Regulars,

These are the acts that I see being inducted into the Rock Hall (assuming five-seven acts per class) in the next five years (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024):

Nine Inch Nails
Judas Priest
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
LL Cool J
Rage Against The Machine
Beck
Jay-Z
Eminem
Foo Fighters
The Smiths
The Commodores
Duran Duran
Depeche Mode
Carole King
The Notorious B.I.G.
Willie Nelson
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Whitney Houston
Warren Zevon
Sting
The J. Geils Band
Mary J. Blige
Jethro Tull
OutKast
Pat Benatar
Bad Company
Phil Collins
The Monkees
Ozzy Osbourne
The B-52's
Chaka Khan
Tina Turner

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/24/2019 @ 22:33pm


THE REMAINING BANDS THAT HAVE TO BE INDUCTED BEFORE I CAN SHUT UP

01. Foreigner
02. Jethro Tull
03. Jan & Dean
04. King Crimson
05. The Monkees
06. Kool & The Gang
07. The Commodores
08. The Doobie Brothers
09. Peter, Paul & Mary
10. Blood, Sweat & Tears
11. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
12. The Spencer Davis Group
13. Joy Division/New Order
14. INXS

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 04/25/2019 @ 09:35am


Nick,

Your list is pretty Good. It’s Realistic. We agree with Devo, Kraftwerk and Jethro Tull. You represented 60s with Tommy James & the Shondells. I differ there with Blood, Sweat & Tears and the Marvelettes. I don’t Think there would be more than 2 acts nominated from the 60s. Those are my 2 picks from the 60s:

Say are the person I chatted with about Solomon Burke and Joe Tex. If so I will say that it’s fortunate that Solomon Burke was Inducted long Ago. I think he was inducted in 2001. Picks for 60s acts have Now diminished.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/25/2019 @ 10:09am


@ Roy

Yep, I’m still yapping about eight of those bands on the your list.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/25/2019 @ 11:09am


If HBO has decided to cut the abbreviated versions of ‘Love Is The Drug’ and ‘More Than This,’ from Roxy Music’s Induction Ceremony, then I will be very disappointed! :-P 👎

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 04/25/2019 @ 11:11am


http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/motley-crue-streams-and-sales-surge-following-the-dirt-release/

MÖTLEY CRÜE Streams And Sales Surge Following 'The Dirt' Release

The Crue is killin’ it!

“Lee's observations from the fan reactions on social media are reflected in the streaming data. The age demo for fans streaming MÖTLEY CRÜE's music includes a much younger demographic. In fact, over the last 28 days, 64% of Spotify streamers were between 18 and 34 years.”

And they say classic rock only appeals to the Boomers and early Xers. This is proof that this kind of radio format is way more universal than ya think.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 04/25/2019 @ 11:27am


Cutting "Love Is A Drug" and "More Than This" is baffling, as those are songs that casual music listeners would be most likely to recognize.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 04/25/2019 @ 12:57pm


I forgot one

THE REMAINING BANDS THAT HAVE TO BE INDUCTED BEFORE I CAN SHUT UP

01. Foreigner
02. Jethro Tull
03. Jan & Dean
04. King Crimson
05. The Monkees
06. The Kingston Trio
07. Kool & The Gang
08. The Commodores
09. The Doobie Brothers
10. Peter, Paul & Mary
11. Blood, Sweat & Tears
12. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
13. The Spencer Davis Group
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. INXS

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 04/25/2019 @ 13:34pm


https://247wallst.com/special-report/2019/04/25/100-most-popular-rock-bands-of-all-time-3/

Found an interesting article. Make sure you guys read the description before you react.

100 Most Popular Rock Bands of All Time

100. Rise Against
99. Shinedown
98. The Clash*
97. The Smiths
96. Weezer
95. Stone Temple Pilots
94. 3 Doors Down
93. Queens of the Stone Age
92. Steely Dan*
91. Motley Crue
90. Sum 41
89. Judas Priest
88. Motorhead
87. The Strokes
86. Slayer
85. Scorpions
84. Rush*
83. Slipknot
82. The Kinks*
81. Breaking Benjamin
80. Bullet for My Valentine
79. 30 Seconds to Mars
78. Journey*
77. Foster the People
76. Ramones*
75. Simon and Garfunkel*
74. The Smashing Pumpkins
73. Electric Light Orchestra*
72. The Offspring
71. Disturbed
70. Megadeth
69. The Cure*
68. Limp Bizkit
67. Heart*
66. Pantera
65. The Beach Boys*
64. The Police*
63. Soundgarden
62. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers*
61. R.E.M.*
60. Three Days Grace
59. ZZ Top
58. Rage Against the Machine
57. Alice in Chains
56. The Jimi Hendrix Experience*
55. Def Leppard*
54. Depeche Mode
53. Boston
52. Oasis
51. Five Finger Death Punch
50. The Cranberries
49. Cream*
48. Chicago*
47. Kiss*
46. Rammstein
45. Kings of Leon
44. Dire Straits*
43. Korn
42. Nickelback
41. Deep Purple*
40. Van Halen*
39. Eagles*
38. Avenged Sevenfold
37. The Killers
36. Muse
35. Evanescence
34. U2*
33. Blink-182
32. Marilyn Manson
31. Radiohead*
30. Fall Out Boy
29. The Who*
28. System of a Down
27. Creedence Clearwater Revival*
26. Arctic Monkeys
25. Gorillaz
24. Pearl Jam*
23. Lynyrd Skynyrd*
22. Iron Maiden
21. Paramore
20. The Doors*
19. Fleetwood Mac*
18. Foo Fighters
17. Black Sabbath*
16. Aerosmith*
15. Bon Jovi*
14. Green Day*
13. Nirvana*
12. The Rolling Stones*
11. Red Hot Chili Peppers*
10. Metallica*
9. Coldplay
8. Maroon 5
7. Guns 'N' Roses*
6. AC/DC*
5. Linkin Park
4. Pink Floyd*
3. Led Zeppelin*
2. The Beatles*
1. Queen*

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 04/26/2019 @ 13:35pm


The only inducted band I forgot to mark on the list is ZZ Top.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 04/26/2019 @ 14:20pm


Well, the day which we have long been waiting for has finally arrived, the day when H.B.O. airs the 2019 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony at 8 p.m. E.D.T. Before I render a criticism of this ceremony, I will obviously need to see it for myself. Of course, I am most looking forward to the inductions of: Stevie Nicks (as a solo artist), Roxy Music and The Zombies (three artists which I had supported for induction and had predicted to be inductees nearly 5 months ago). I had also predicted unsurprisingly that Def Leppard and The Cure would join them. So, I did manage to pick 5/7 of the inductees and I had also implied that Radiohead could possibly be inducted.

Let we forget what I had written back on December 1, 2018.

It is now December and in slightly less than 2 weeks, the Rock Hall fan vote will be finished.

From a purely “prog” point of view, this is an extremely disappointing ballot, since no major prog artists had been nominated this year. I am definitely looking forward to the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot instead. However, since there are 5 peripheral “prog” artists on this ballot, I think that out of those five, (Roxy Music, Radiohead, The Zombies, Kraftwerk and The Zombies) Roxy Music and The Zombies and possibly Radiohead stand the best chance of being inducted as performers. I think that Todd Rundgren deserves to receive the award for Musical Excellence, due to his extraordinary body of work as a producer, in addition to his musical output. With slightly more than 2 weeks to go until the inductees are revealed, let’s take a final guess at who I think will enter the Rock Hall as performers in 2019.

1. John Prine
2. Stevie Nicks
3. Roxy Music
4. The Zombies
5. The Cure
6. Def Leppard

Todd Rundgren should receive the award for Musical Excellence.




Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.1.18 @ 07:34am

Okay, my mistake had been thinking that John Prine would be inducted, but otherwise, I did absolutely have 5/7 of the inductees correct and I had also mentioned that Radiohead could get in, so technically I did have 6/7 of the inductees. Yet, everyone has somehow forgotten this! So, technically this has been the year when I had been most correct about the inductees.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 03:39am


So the day has finally arrived when HBO airs the 2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Ceremony at 8PM EDT. I went to some trouble to watch this. I wiil Sleepover at my brother's place. He can be rather annoying. I was all set to watch the whole thing tonight But I forgot I am Working until 8PM. It's several miles away from my brother's place. I can watch the whole thing on HBO at 6AM. My brother flipped out over this slight change.He apparently changed his plans just so I can watch it.

I figured out that I will miss Stevie Nicks and Roxy Music. I can watch the rest tonight. I will never again go to my brother for the Hall of Fame. I will get HBO with my girl friend at my place.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 10:46am


Ben,

According to the new order of the ceremony, you will most probably miss Stevie Nicks’ induction, in addition to The Cure and possibly Janet Jackson. However, you should be able to see Roxy Music’s Induction in it’s entirety.By the way, I pay approximately $270 a month, in order to watch extended cable and the Premium tiers each month in my house.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 14:50pm


Approximately 7 years ago, just prior to my first blog entry on this website, two Music reviewers, Bill Smith and Kevin Davis Of The Rock Office had chosen their “Top Ten Bands Who Should Be In The Rock Hall but Aren’t.” I have updated their list to see how many of their snubs have been inducted since then and in which year, they had been inducted.

According to Bill Smith, he had provided this list:

10. Journey (2017)
09. Pat Benatar
08. The Delfonics
07. Iggy Pop
06. The Sugarhill Gang
05. Hall & Oates (2014)
04. Rush (2013)
03. Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble (2015)
02. The Cure (2019)
01. KISS (2014)

According to Kevin Davis, here is his list:

10. Def Leppard (2019)
09. The Cars (2018)
08. Heart (2013)
07. The Moody Blues (2018)
06. The Electric Light Orchestra (2017)
05. The Monkees
04. Jethro Tull
03. Chicago (2016)
02. KISS (2014)
01. Rush (2013)

Overall, Kevin Davis has done an outstanding job of listing egregious snubs and I happen to like his list much better.

During approximately the same time, these had been my top 10 snubs:

10. Jethro Tull
09. Carly Simon
08. Sade
07. Duran Duran
06. The Monkees
05. Supertramp
04. King Crimson
03. The Moody Blues (2018)
02. Yes (2017)
01. Rush (2013)

Of course, 3 of my favorites have thus far been inducted in order.

Now my list, looks like this:

10. Doobie Brothers
09. Monkees
08. Pat Benatar
07. Supertramp
06. King Crimson
05. Procol Harum
04. Jethro Tull
03. Carly Simon
02. Sade
01. Duran Duran

By the way, I had also supported the inductions of: Peter Gabriel as a solo artist (2014), Hall & Oates (2014), Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble (2015), Chicago (2016), Deep Purple (2016), Electric Light Orchestra (2017), The Cars (2018), The Zombies (2019), Roxy Music (2019), Radiohead (2019) and Stevie Nicks as a solo artist (2019).

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 15:49pm


So, now I am off to pick up dim sum and sushi for tonight’s 2019 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony (which I have already DVR’ed in case of my missing any segment of this ceremony). See you later, have a nice day!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 15:54pm


Ben,

According to the new order of the ceremony, you will most probably miss Stevie Nicks’ induction, in addition to The Cure and possibly Janet Jackson. However, you should be able to see Roxy Music’s Induction in it’s entirety. By the way, I pay approximately $270 a month for the privilege of watching extended cable and the Premium tiers each month within the privacy of my own home.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 16:02pm


Nope, Enig, 5/7, not 6. You didn't list them as a prediction, and you don't get to retcon that prediction. Five of my top seven seeds got in, and I mentioned that I had strongly considered seeding Roxy Music at #4, but eventually decided against it. I'm not claiming Roxy as a correct prediction for that mention.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 20:25pm


Something that would be Coool is for somebody to list the Original order for the Ceremony. That took place Live in Late March. Let me know. I will compare it to the HBO order.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 20:42pm


Ben,

The Original order for this year's ceremony was:

1. Stevie Nicks
2. Radiohead
3. Roxy Music
4. The Cure
5. Janet Jackson
6. The Zombies
7. Def Leppard

The HBO order for the ceremony is:

1. Stevie Nicks
2. The Cure
3. Janet Jackson
4. Roxy Music
5. Radiohead
6. The Zombies
7. Def Leppard

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 20:54pm


Checking out the ceremony now, and I have to say that the set and performance by The Cure was outstanding.

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 21:24pm



Worry not Follower, I've been intentionally waiting for this ceremony to air before I started updating that list. I'm gonna blog about the ceremony first though. Reactions, thoughts, etc. kind of thing.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 04/27/2019 @ 22:37pm


I just watched the 2019 Rock and Roll Ceremony on HBO. I Missed the Last Couple on HBO. I would have rather watched last years on HBO with acts like the Cars, Nina Simone and the Sensational Moody Blues. Most of you know I am a huge fan of them. This was Not the most amazing Hall Ceremony I have seen. In recent Years I have loved the 2013,2016,2017 and 2018 Ceremonies. I watched those last 2 in Segments on You Tube.

Its the choice of acts we had that brought it down a bit. Enig said that. I would say most of the performances were good except for The Zombies. Its not the fault of the Zombies. They have the misfortune of being a 60s act that was Wayy too overdue. The Zombies should have been inducted at least 20 years ago. Had the Zombies been inducted in let’s say 1998 or 99 I am sure they would have performed better.

I really can’t say anything bad about Stevie Nicks performance. Although I will add that I was never a huge fan of the Stand Back hit. Leather and Lace,etc were Coool. I was never a fan of the Cure. I simply said that I can understand the Cure finally being inducted. I was never a huge New Wave fan myself. I will stop there with that. I like some Roxy Music. The choices of tunes were a bit odd that were aired. I am Not a big fan. I like some of their tunes. Enig, Can you identify the Tunes? I know Avalon very well.

Its no surprise that Radiohead did Not perform. I do NOT know their music very Well at all. I’ve never given them a chance. I have recently sampled Karma Police. I may download it. I mentioned the Zombies. It’s simply Old age that made the performance. They were not going to Perform as they did 50 years ago. And there is of course Def Leppard. They gave a terrific performance. I was into their music quite a bit in the 80s. The ceremony was OK. We look to next year.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/28/2019 @ 09:48am


I will continue and correct. I am doing a correction of the last paragraph. It's no surprise that Radiohead did Not perform. I do Not know their music very Well at all. Ive never given them a chance. I have recently sampled Karma Police, I may download it. Just so you know I own a whole bunch of tunes from Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. And hey where is Soundgarden? I mentioned the Zombies. It's simply Old Age that made the performance kinda mediocre.Other 60s acts have aged much better in fact. Like the Moody Blues. The Zombies are not going to perform as they did 50 years ago. And there is of course Def Leppard. They gave a terrific performance, I was into their music a bit in the 80s. The ceremony was Ok. We look to next year.

Overall we have come a long way since the Grateful Dead and Neil Young lets say were inducted soo long ago. The 80s is Now in focus and that is certainly coool. Speaking of the 80s. When I saw Susanna Hoffs on stage inducting the Zombies. One thing occurred to me is that she can rather easily be a Zombies fan when she was a little girl. But it also occurred to me that the Bangles faded fast when the 80s ended. I couldn't think of any albums they released after 1988. This may certainly diminish their chances as a nominee. At least for next year. I won't get into my whole 2020 list right Now. But there are a lot of other 80s acts ranging from Pat Benatar to the Smiths that will more likely be nominated. What do you think?

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/28/2019 @ 10:35am


Ben,
I thought I might throw out a few comments in your response to last nights airing of the Induction ceremony. I understand you not being a fan of The Cure, or of that Goth/new wave type genre, and I did not follow The Cure much in the 80's either. However, I would have to say that their performance for the RRHOF was the highlight, and was exceptional.
As for Roxy Music, I thought they were great, and I will rate them second best. The songs that they played were "Out of the Blue", from the 1974 album "Country Life", then "Avalon", and third was "Editions of You", a more obscure song from the 1973 album,"For Your Pleasure". Also, a few songs were cut from the broadcast, "In Every Dream Home a Heartache", and a medley of "Love is the Drug/More Than This", was not included.

Another highlight, I thought, was Ian Hunter, and the all-star jam closer, "All the Young Dudes", was pretty great. You had mentioned The Zombies, and I thought they were OK, considering there age. They did a pretty good job on "Time of the Season", and Rod Argent's keyboard work and solo was great. Stevie Nicks was good as always, and I preferred the "Leather and Lace" w/Don Henley over the other 2 songs. To me, you just can't replace Tom Petty on "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around".

Def Lepperd was very good, but just a bit predictable with the songs. I feel their highlight was Phil Collen absolutely shredding on lead guitar, he was scorching up the stage. Joe's vocals were a little restrained, I would guess it's a little tough to wail like he used to in past years. Overall, I would say definitely an above average show, with a few great performances, maybe lacking that huge impact moment. Once again, I would point out The Cure as being the most awesome set.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 04/28/2019 @ 17:57pm


Will N.,

I can understand people liking the Cure’s performance. I guess it’s hard a lot of times to Appreciate a goth/new Wave act 30 years later when You were Not used to that scene. I did predict The Cure correctly as an inductee when they were a Nominee I recall. I remember they were huge. I saturated myself with the Hard Rock scene a lot in the 80s. Aerosmith, Van Halen, Def Leppard and the Scorpions among others. And also liked a lot of Tom Petty and John Mellencamp as far Regular plain
Rock goes. I think you are Closer to my Age. You lived thru the 80s. I think

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/28/2019 @ 20:11pm


Will N.,

I just read a previous Post Of Yours. You are Very knowledgeable on the 80s. I read a Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Post. You mentioned Kix. I haven’t heard that name in a Real Long Time. And Hey You Know Night Ranger. Alll these bands were big on MTV. I fall just below a huge fan of that Heavy Metal scene.

Hey at least I am open minded enough to say the Cure belong in the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame. In fact I do like the Smiths slightly more. I own some tunes by the Smiths. I guess they aren’t so Goth. I am predicting the Smiths as a nominee for next Year.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/28/2019 @ 20:43pm


I just wanted to mention that I own at least 2 songs by the Smiths. How Soon is Now and the Boy with the Thorn In His Side. Those tunes are Ok. I am Not a big New Wave/80s Alt fan but I have my Moments. So I am kinda flexible. Simple Minds is Another Group I Don’t mind that much and there is also the Psychedelic Furs. But these last 2 May have a lot of trouble ever being Inducted. What do you think?

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/28/2019 @ 21:56pm


Ben,
I may be a few years older than you, as I was a teenager in the late 70's, so I was exposed to all the hard rock, arena rock,soft rock, disco, and later punk rock that came out in that era. And before that it was Casey Kasem and American Top 40 every week. There was so much change going on in music in a very short period of time. And then when MTV came along, it changed everything again, adding the new dimension.

Of course the main Rock acts of the mid to late 70's, Stones, Aerosmith, BOC, Sabbath, Kiss, Nazareth, Led Zep, Queen, Skynyrd, Foghat, Yes, etc, were all huge, and then you had Boston, Van Halen, AC/DC, Foreigner, Rush, Thin Lizzy, Starz, and Angel coming on also. Just tons of bands, but the transition through Rock, Disco, Punk, New Wave, MTV, and into 80's rock was just mindbending, and what survived morphed into all kinds of new music in the 80's. I mean, it was just an explosion with the MTV era, too many bands and genres to mention, and I am still discovering new stuff from the 80's and 90's to this day. So keep on exploring, is all I can say. I'm sure many of the people posting here could elaborate on hundreds of bands. Very cool..

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 04/28/2019 @ 23:55pm


Will N.,

That was a cool post. That's just about me. I will put like this. 40 Years ago at this time. 1979. I was 14 years old. So I was in the middle of all that music. I will say that I just don't know Starz and Angel. But I do know the band Sweet. You didn't mention them but I am sure you know. A key tune was Love is Like Oxygen. Perhaps some time Sweet could be inducted in the Hall. It is possible. They were a big Glam band from Britain. I think that's right. Those 2 you mentioned I don't think so.

As far as the MTV era there is tooo many to mention. Clearly the Hall is tapping into that era now. The 80s is essentially the height of the MTV era. Coming soon I think The Smiths,Duran Duran and a a lot of others will be nominated.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/29/2019 @ 07:26am


Will N.,

That was a cool post. That's just about me. I will put like this. 40 Years ago at this time. 1979. I was 14 years old. So I was in the middle of all that music. I will say that I just don't know Starz and Angel. But I do know the band Sweet. You didn't mention them but I am sure you know. A key tune was Love is Like Oxygen. Perhaps some time Sweet could be inducted in the Hall. It is possible. They were a big Glam band from Britain. I think that's right. Those 2 you mentioned I don't think so.

As far as the MTV era there is tooo many to mention. Clearly the Hall is tapping into that era now. The 80s is essentially the height of the MTV era. Coming soon I think The Smiths,Duran Duran and a a lot of others will be nominated.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/29/2019 @ 07:26am


Ben,
Yes. You are correct. Sweet was very popular, throughout the 70's, and they had a lot of hits. Starz and Angel, not so much, as they both had about 4 or 5 albums of cool, party rock at the time, and both had connections to Kiss, but they did not survive the disco era, and broke up. I also failed to mention other great bands of the time like Supertramp, Scorpions, and Judas Priest, and of course, Def Lepperd got started in '79-'80, also. Like I say, there is a wealth of great music out there, and I always seem to discover something new that got overlooked in the past, thanks to you tube. You run across stuff you have not heard before.

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 04/29/2019 @ 08:08am


Will N,
In light of your last Post. My question is about Supertramp. Do you know the album Even in the Quietest Moments? Sooo many know the Huge 1979 Album. This is the album before that. You seem to be a few years older so you most likely you do. I knew it somewhat at the time but have come to know it even better since I own it. With the Heavy Metal bands I tend towards the hits. But I own some full old 80s Heavy Metal albums. I own the big Twisted Sister album. I do on a lot of occasions Check Out You Tube. I run across Old stuff from the 70s and 80s:

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/29/2019 @ 08:54am


Will N.,

I am curious. Since you were around further back. How do feel about Acts like Steely Dan,Eric Clapton, Neil Young and Fleetwood Mac. Those are some favs of mine. And there is the Grateful Dead and Jethro Tull(They are Not in the Hall Yet)

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/29/2019 @ 10:33am


I very much enjoyed the ceremony telecast. Stevie Nicks was in great form, her set was outstanding. She put on proper display what a "Rock Star" she is; which was the best way to hush up the people who have been nitpicking her resume for the honor of a second induction.

The Cure's set was outstanding as well. I think they cut the part of Reznor's speech when he had mentioned having been dismissive of the hall in prior years because they hadn't inducted bands like The Cure. Robert Smith's voice was still effective, and the band put on good display the keyboard atmospherics and the jangle pop accessibility that made the band stand out from the Goth rock crowd.

Def Leppard was very good as well, though the vocals were off on Rock Of Ages. Joe Elliot's voice got better as he got warmed up. The band was in fine form as is to be expected by a group that is out there doing lots of dates in big venues still. Their performing chops are still crisp, and the group has lots of big powerful hooks for putting on an entertaining show.

Brian Ferry and Colin Blunstone's voices have both gotten pretty creaky. For Ferry, he was able to mask it better with the Roxy songs they actually aired; but watching the youtube of "Love Is A Drug", I understand now why they cut that song.
Ouch.

Musically, The Zombies and Roxy Music were both very good, though The Zombies were thrown off their timing a bit by trying to accommodate Blunstone's vocals. Rod Argent really showed why he at the very least is absolutely a HOF caliber musician; he was really good.

Eddie Jobson really stood out for Roxy Music, which is especially impressive since he hasn't been playing with Ferry in years.

The Janet and Radiohead segments were pretty anti-climactic without performances. They did good intro videos for both of them. Really a shames, but if they had performed, there would have needed to be considerably more cuts made to the performances of the other groups.

Almost all the induction speeches were great, I like when presenters are able to detail exactly when they got in to the act they are honoring, and the impact that their music had on their lives and careers. There was a lot of that on display for this ceremony, and that's what makes the ceremonies work as more than a concert for me. The worst presenter of the night was one of my all time favorite performers: David Byrne. He bounced around like a little kid anxiously waiting for a chance to pee. He said some nice things, but it just didn't show that same level of real personal connection and/or influence as the other speeches did.

Susanna Hoffs still looks *gorgeous*; she doesn't seem to age!

Singles category got cut, so I guess the HOF even realizes what a mess has been made of that. But it is a bit too bad, while the idea has been badly implemented, I did enjoy Little Steven's speech about each single last year. As I already noted, what I like about the ceremony when it is done right is hearing people talk eloquently about the power and impact of music on their lives and their careers. Little Steven did a good job of that during last year's surprise singles presentation. Though the category is a haphazard mess, I would have liked to hear what he had to say about the selected songs.

I liked ending with "All The Young Dudes", but it was pretty rough. Ian Hunter's voice hasn't aged any better than Colin Blunstone's has.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 04/29/2019 @ 13:15pm


As I said Stevie Nicks was Very Good. One thing I must Say is it was long but Good. I forgot to mention Janet Jackson. I have never Owned a single thing From Janet Jackson. The Janet Jackson segment was uneventful without a performance. It may be Just as well. My view is Not as severe as Enig’s.

Just so you know I even owned a cassette once from The Cure in 1989. Disintegration. The 2 acts are basically opposite extremes. I may Reevaluate the Cure performance. Back in the 80s I always had trouble with their Image. I don’t have that same problem with the Smiths. I am Not a huge fan either but it’s better. Thoughts for Next year.

Now is it Just me or does Colin Blunstone Now Sound like a Very Old Hard Rock singer. He does Not Sound At alll like he did in 1968. That is when Time of the Season was first released. I have No Complaints about Def Leppard. I liked the ending with All the Young Dudes. I looked up Ian Hunter. He will be 80 Years Old in June.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/29/2019 @ 14:19pm


Disintegration is the album that got me to reevaluate The Cure. I wasn't a Goth kid, I was a Deadhead. But when I heard that album playing in a record store, it totally blew me away due to the psychedelic mood of the big long instrumentals. It made me totally reassess the band and go back and listen to all of their output through their various eras, and I came to respect and enjoy each step along the way of their history - appreciating each shift in style for the merits of what they were trying to accomplish at the time. I also liked The Smiths, though again I wasn't really in their normal fan demographic. But I liked Johnny Marr's guitar work and I appreciated the literary allusions in Morrissey's lyrics as well as his dry dark wit.

I have pretty big ears, and while I have my favorite bands and favorite genres, I like to continually explore and expand my knowledge and experience of all eras. I'm constantly exploring and expanding.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 04/29/2019 @ 14:52pm


Ben,
On Supertramp, check out the band's listing for my comments on the Quietists Moments album. I posted it about a month ago, crediting it. Also, I wrote a few paragraphs detailing the bands you had asked about, but it did not go through for some reason, and it was too much to rewrite. Will get back to you later on, on some of those bands.

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 04/30/2019 @ 02:21am


Will N.,

I read your comments on the Album Even in the Quietest Moments. This tells you where I am at with music as far as the 1970s. I think there is a high possiblity that Supertramp will be nominated sometime. I foresee this until about 2022 or after. There is a lot of other acts to be covered first. I am simply curious as to your comments on acts like Eric Clapton and Steely Dan as well as the others I mentioned. I like a lot of albums by EC and Steely Dan. Clearly these 2 are Inductees for a long time. But I am curious.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/30/2019 @ 08:05am


Ben,
On Eric Clapton, he is always great. Aside from Cream, the albums I prefer are more the early stuff, 461 Ocean Boulevard, Slowhand, and the Blind Faith album. Steely Dan, the best one's for me would be Can't Buy a Thrill, Pretzel Logic, The Royal Scam, and Aja. Of all the artists you listed, Neil Young would be the main one for me, as he has a tremendous amount of excellent material. I will leave that discussion for later on.

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 04/30/2019 @ 12:42pm


Will N.,

That’s a coool Response. I agree for the most part on that early Eric Clapton.But a bunch of Later stuff too. I own all Those Steely Dan albums you say. Also Katy Lied. I can have a discussion for Hours on Neil Young. He is a truly Main one for me. We are basically on the same Music Level. I just wanted to take the Posts away from Any Hard Rock.

It’s been a real Long time since those acts were Inducted. I also followed the Hall in the 90s Years. I started Reading the Ceremony Reviews Around 1994. Just look up the Classes. So now there is a huge Focus on the 80s. I know a lot of 80s also. Bon Jovi, Dire Straits and The Cars were great picks last year. This year as I’ve said Stevie Nicks and Def Leppard were great picks for the 80s. The Cure is strange case. A good pick even though I was never a Fan. Even Though I never liked them it paves the way for other New Wave acts I like more. Like Duran Duran, Devo and perhaps Simple Minds. Those are Ok.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/30/2019 @ 14:07pm


This is similar to the huge lists people are posting. This is a list of possible nomimnees in the next 2 years,2020 and 2021.

Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Blood,Sweat & Tears
Cher
Devo
Duran Duran
Emerson,Lake& Palmer
Eurythmics
Whitney Houston
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Carole King
King Crimson
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
Motley Crue
Notorious BIG
Outkast
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Tina Turner
Steve Winwood
Warren Zevon

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/1/2019 @ 22:05pm


https://www.change.org/p/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-get-motley-crue-inducted-into-2020-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame

Hey, FRL! You need to tweet this on Twitter! Someone made a petition at the right time to get Motley inducted into the Hall.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 05/2/2019 @ 18:25pm


Some other possible nominees in the Next 2 Years are Jane's Addiction,Nine Inch Nails,T. Rex and Stone Temple Pilots. Now I just have decide what may be nominated for 2020. I need to narrow it down

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/3/2019 @ 08:11am


@ Ben

Since Trent Reznor was at the ceremony, I could see NIN get a third nomination. I’m just not sure if the votes are there yet. Maybe a lot of members from the New Wave and Prog bands will support them for citing Pink Floyd and the Cure as two of their influences.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 05/3/2019 @ 08:26am


Hey Dude,

That’s Right. I think NIN will get a 3rd Nomination. Either 2020 or 2021. I can’t decide. I am leaning to 2021 for them so they Try and Clean House with Rage Against TM and Soundgarden. Those 2 have better shots for a Win. I am Confident about the Smiths from The 80s. I am thinking That Kraftwerk is another nominee for 2020. That will cover Electronic music. Considering I am an Avid Old Classic Conventional Rocker Kraftwerk is Open minded of me. Very possible 2020 Nominee.

At the other end of the Music Spectrum I see what you mean about Cher. There is a lot of extra publicity this year for Cher. You can probably think of publicity examples. Can’t decide about Cher for 2020 or 2021. I created a Pool Of Acts for 2020 and 2021 to help me Decide.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/3/2019 @ 09:41am


Let’s recap the 2019 ceremony, in it’s simplest terms:

01. Great iconic songwriter opens the ceremony and is acknowledged by soon to be iconic British boy band fanboy.

02. Iconic alternative act is inducted by industrial music pioneer.

03. Multi-million selling lip syncing dancing diva is inducted by soon to be multi-million selling extremely talented protégée.

04. Long overdue influential, experimental and iconic prog artists induct even more long-overdue iconic experimental prog artists.

05. Nascent prog/experimental artist is inducted by previously inducted influential and iconic prog artist.

06. A memorial ceremony to those iconic artists and others who have passed.

07. Extremely iconic long overdue proto-prog artist is inducted by beautiful member of not quite so long overdue retro proto-prog act.

08. Great iconic hard rock and prog adjacent guitarist inducts extremely popular iconic hard rock artist.

Have I missed something?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05/3/2019 @ 11:40am


Philip,

I had personally enjoyed Roxy Music’s Rock Hall Induction performance best, followed by the induction of The Zombies, then the induction of Stevie Nicks.

Or in other words:

Overall ranking:

01. Roxy Music
02. The Zombies
03. Stevie Nicks
04. The Cure
05. Radiohead
06. In Memoriam
07. Closing Jam
08. Def Leppard
09. Janet Jackson

As far as the speeches by the presenters are concerned:

01. John Taylor & Simon Le Bon- great
02. Susanna Hoffs- great
03. Janelle Monae had really given an impassioned speech- great
04. Brian May- very good
05. Harry Styles- good
06. David Byrne- good, but quirky
07. Trent Reznor- good

As far as the inductees speeches had gone:

01. The Zombies- great
02. Stevie Nicks- great
03. Radiohead- excellent
04. The Cure- very good
05. Def Leppard- good, but not great
06. Roxy Music- good, but not great
07. Janet Jackson- okay

Overall performance:

01. Roxy Music, almost perfect, although in my honest opinion, it would have been much better had they included the abbreviated versions of ‘Love Is The Drug’ and ‘More Than This.’
02. The Zombies- almost perfect also
03. Stevie Nicks- great
04. The Cure- really good
05. Def Leppard- good
06. Radiohead- what performance?
07. Janet Jackson- what performance?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05/3/2019 @ 12:44pm


ENIG
I don't think the Committee will nominate Duran Duran this year. Too many hot names buzzing this cycle from Cher to Motley Crue to Ian Hunter to X. Cher and Steve Winwood started out in 1963 I think. It would be great to see them inducted together for their solo careers. I'm still amazed Cher has sold over 100 million albums. Never cared enough to buy her albums. Cher probably would slide through quickly but that could hurt Tina Turner's chances and or Chaka Khan. My guess Tina Turner or Cher will be 2019-2020. The other 2020-2021. Also, don't forget Human League,Information Society and Devo. This should be Iron Maiden's year. They have a couple Top 5 Vote Finishes at the RRHOF kiosk.Maiden could be the greatest group of all time. I'm thinking of nominating both Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. Don't want to miss one. I wish Duran Duran had a harder sound like Iron Maiden. Don't see me nominating a rapper this year. I'd like to see Willie Nelson inducted before he leaves Earth. The Key is to be nominated and inducted within 3 nominations. Or you end up like Ben E. King, Chuck Willis, Gram Parsons etc in this purgatory. Once that window of induction period slams closed, man it's difficult to get inducted. That's where the Veteran's Voters Committee could help out Chuck Willis or The Crystals maybe a Johnny Rivers. KING 👑

Posted by KING on Friday, 05/3/2019 @ 21:48pm


Enig,

Pretty obvious your personal bias for Roxy Music and against Janet Jackson heavily influenced your ranking. Although I noticed you also didn't rank the video clip montage packages.

Again, I didn't dislike Roxy Music's induction set. But aside from Simon and John presenting them, there wasn't much that stood out about it. I suppose if they'd performed "Pyjamarama" and "Flesh And Blood," it would have boosted their performance a notch or two higher for me. They were still better than the all-star jam, and honestly, it was basically a tie-breaker between them and Def Leppard.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 05/3/2019 @ 22:29pm


Philip,

Yes, we each definitely have our own favorite songs by Roxy Music. I would have really enjoyed their set even more if they had played ‘More Than This,’ ‘The Thrill Of It All,’ ‘To Turn You On,’ ‘Love Is The Drug’ and ‘Do The Strand’ in their entirety. But do to HBO’s time constraints, that was not likely to occur. However, in my honest opinion, Roxy Music’s performances on ‘Out Of The Blue’ and ‘Avalon’ were spell-binding. I had not really been familiar with ‘Editions Of You,’ but I would much rather have heard their original medley played in it’s entirety, instead.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05/4/2019 @ 00:13am


A Genre That seems to have shrunk on Ballots recently is R&B. Rap does fine But NOT R&B. I see The Spinners and Tina Turner Having a real decent Chance as nominees for 2020. I will most likely forego Cher in favor of Tina Turner. What they have in common is Big Solo Careers.Tina Turner is however Good R&B to a good extent. She also goes back to the Early 60s due to her Career with Ike. She had more success as a Solo act. She was indicted with Ike Turner but NOT for her solo Career. There is also the Spinners that should get Nominated. The Meters May make a Return with another Nomination. I am much more into Rock but I am into a decent amount of Old R&b. And How about the Commodores. I predict they will be nominated Coming up soon. NOT Lionel Richie. He became to Adult Contemporary ahh but the Commodores. That’s different. I have mentioned a lot of Rock. I thought I would mention R&B. I surely think Philip agrees

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/4/2019 @ 21:17pm


Solo Tina Turner, Diana Ross and Carole King can all get in immediately if they're on a future ballot.

Tina's solo career isn't deserving. It's middling, forgettable fare aside from Private Dancer. It would be a second induction about twice as unreasonable as that of Stevie Nicks.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 05/4/2019 @ 21:47pm


Just discovered a classic rock station at LA that now plays Queens of the Stone Age’s “No One Knows,” and Linkin Park’s “Numb.” By the end of this decade in the next few years or so, the 2000’s will get a complete induction into the format. And I’ve also noticed another classic rock station at Louisville now plays the White Stripes’ “Seven Nation Army.”

Some interesting expansions happening.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 05/5/2019 @ 00:33am


I would point out that Tina overcame an abusive relationship, but she didn't have that large of a career; her induction probably would be more noted for acknowledging her contributions separate of Ike. There are members of the Hall of Fame that have had lesser contributions that are in...Stevie Nicks wasn't a prime candidate herself this year, and yet she got in despite the vast bulk of her career being with Fleetwood Mac. And, I love "What's Love Got to Do With It" (The song that is). Just another perspective.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 05/5/2019 @ 14:20pm


ENIG
Solid posts as usual. I have seen the list of your FAV PROG bands over the years. I'm curious though: What are your FAV 8-10 Prog Adjacent Bands? If you have time Sir, maybe you can make a list. I've been thinking about your Duran Duran posts. Still, I believe Duran Duran will be moved to my 2020-2021 list. Thinking about moving Motley Crue to this Year's list. I know that isn't your bag musically.
I've been thinking if The Zombies can be nominated and inducted...Procol Harum should be inducted too. They have a wealth of outstanding songs and a deeper discography than The Zombies. I see you and Ben are selecting Jethro Tull again this year. A strong choice. I am interested in the 80's selections. My belief it will be some combination of Bryan Adams, Depeche Mode, and The Eurythmics. However, the Committee may see things your way. I could see Devo returning but they won't be on my final list. Duran Duran is 1 of the biggest 80's bands not inducted. Is Notorious on your FAV Duran Duran songs? KING 👑

Posted by KING on Sunday, 05/5/2019 @ 14:59pm


KING,

My favorite “prog” adjacent artists who have yet to be inducted are:

01. Sade
02. Carly Simon
03. Boston
04. Foreigner
05. Toto

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05/5/2019 @ 20:27pm


None of those are prog-adjacent, Enig.

Sade is clearly from jazz influences
Carly Simon is a singer-songwriter, trying to be from the same cloth as James Taylor
Boston and Foreigner are practically archetypes for '70's corporate, arena-rock.
Toto... has roots in soul, but aren't really. But they don't have the classical influences of a prog band or anything adjacent to prog.

An act isn't prog-adjacent just because you like them.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 05/5/2019 @ 22:09pm


Ever heard of prog Jazz, Phil? It’s been around long before prog rock. So, Sade could be consider as that in Enig’s opinion. While Boston was an arena/hard rock band, they did added some elements of prog.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 05/5/2019 @ 22:59pm


The Dude,

First off, Philip. Never Phil. Second, prog-jazz is almost a redundancy as the experimental nature of jazz is constantly progressive. Third, you're being disingenuous if you believe that's what Enig is saying by "prog-adjacent." Fourth, seriously gonna argue on Boston? They were about as manufactured as it got (almost, not quite). Just because there's a long and drawn out middle section doesn't make it "prog-adjacent."

Posted by Philip on Monday, 05/6/2019 @ 00:11am


https://web.archive.org/web/20070317231314/http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/boston/albums/album/300997/review/6068063/boston

There’s nothing wrong being called “Phil” cause it’s a forename for Phillip. Sade always employs the prog structure other than smooth jazz and soul. Just because I’ve noticed some prog influences doesn’t mean my definition of the genre is a hundred percent like Enig’s. I know Duran Duran is a new wave band and always will be for the most part. There’s no need to get upset about it.

Boston had never been strangers to prog, they added some elements of it and were even partly influenced by classical music within in their musical styles during their early years.

Look at this old review from Rolling Stone:

“Boston is a five-man band that embodies the finest influences of English heavy-metal and progressive rock as no other American band has ever done.”

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 05/6/2019 @ 00:31am


With Enig & his 'proto-prog' & 'prog-adjacent' acts, I'm reminded of this frat at UK called Farmhouse. It was setup as an agricultural studies fraternity, but if they liked you & you liked them, you could be majoring in Ag-Political Science or Ag-History or whatever it took to get you in that frat :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 05/6/2019 @ 07:01am


Hey there. Boston are not even going to be nominated any time soon. No way! They are known mainly for the Debut album in 1976. I was into Boston quite a bit when I was 12-16 years old. That was mostly in the late 70s. Both Boston and Foreigner are archetypes of 70s arena rock. Foreigner can easily be nominated though. They had a few key albums with the Debut,Doublevision and 4. Also they had hits from 1977-1985. Both Boston and Foreigner added elements of Prog.

Due to the fact that Boston only had the one key album they are basically disqualified. But Foreigner have a very good chance of nomination in the next few years. Foreigner have a good chance of being inducted someday But NO way Boston.

As far as Duran Duran I also feel Duran Duran is a new wave band and always will be. I was a Young lad at the same time as Enig. Those hits and Albums of Duran Duran were alll over the place 1983-1988. They were never marketed in the 1980s as a prog rock group. I read articles on them in 1984 and 85.They were referenced as a New Wave band. I have NOT heard any newer albums by them. I can't say if those are Prog or Not. Perhaps a mixture of New Wave and prog.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/6/2019 @ 08:45am


The thing that's wrong with being called "Phil" is that I don't like being called "Phil." It's as basic as that. If I had a nickname that I liked, I would use that as the screen name I enter on this forum, but I don't. It's a simple matter of respect, and I would ask for that rudimentary courtesy.

A band or musician can be influenced by classical music without being prog. Playing loose enough with that criterion, you could also call Jackie Wilson "prog," though I sincerely hope you do not.

Although I am curious to what you mean by "prog structure." Not that it's a contradiction in terms, but prog structure doesn't seem too far removed from the structures of other styles of rock and roll. To me, the only major similarity between prog and Sade is that I fall asleep listening to both.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 05/6/2019 @ 09:17am


The Dude,

Thank you for your support.

Ben and Philip,

New wave is an umbrella term created by the music industry to cover more than 130 different styles of music created after the advent of punk. Since punk had been a short blip on the music timeline, it’s designation is essentially meaningless. Thus new wave is a meaningless term. By the way, Philosophy professor Bill Martin had said that new wave is prog times punk.

Let us first discuss Sade:

So what genre does Sade belong to, well Sade is defined as smooth jazz; smooth jazz is a style which had evolved from jazz fusion and easy listening pop music according to Wikipedia. Jazz fusion is a sub-genre of progressive rock, according to Prog Archives. Therefore, Sade is “prog” adjacent.

Next, comes Carly Simon:

Carly Simon employs orchestration throughout the body of her songs. The use of orchestration is a feature of progressive rock.

Foreigner:

Foreigner had initially been formed by Mick Jones, a member of Spooky Tooth and Ian McDonald, a former member of King Crimson. Spooky Tooth and King Crimson are considered to be prog bands. A cursory examination of Wikipedia will confirm this.

Boston:

Boston had employed elements of progressive rock in their songs, therefore they are “prog” adjacent. From Wikipedia: Boston's genre is considered by most to be hard rock and arena rock,[52] while combining elements of progressive rock into their music.[31][53]

Toto:

I do not have to try very hard with this, because Wikipedia has already declared that Toto features progressive rock on their albums: “Toto,” “Hydra,” “25th Anniversary: Live In Amsterdam” and “Toto XIV” and as part of their style.

Therefore, Sade, Carly Simon, Foreigner, Boston and Toto are all prog adjacent artists.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05/6/2019 @ 10:54am


Enigmaticus,

Punk is hardly a "blip." It has evolved over time and lives on in its progeny genres.

Starting with Sade. Since when is jazz-fusion a part of the prog family? I'm gonna need some different sources on that. Does that mean you consider Herbie Hancock prog-adjacent? Either way, I'm hard-pressed to call Sade "jazz-fusion." Her overall sound is too smooth and subdued, imo.

Carly Simon: orchestration is a feature of a hell of lot of music, long before prog. "My Girl" is prog by that logic. Henry Mancini is prog by that logic. That is a seriously terrible justification to try and use to call Carly Simon "prog-adjacent." Try again.

Foreigner: they came from prog bands, but that doesn't make any band they form afterwards prog or necessarily even prog-adjacent. What if they formed a rap duo? Would they be prog-rap?

Boston and Toto: I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because occasional dalliances or the odd infusion isn't enough for me to call them prog or prog-adjacent.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 05/6/2019 @ 21:52pm


Philip,

How long did “punk” actually last? Less than 5 years? How long has prog been in existence? More than 52 years. If we look at the length of time between medieval music and dub step, which is probably 1000 years or so, how significant are those five years within the grander music timeline? By the way, If punk has evolved, then it is no longer “punk,” is it?

Yes, according to both the Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock (GEPR) & Prog Archives, Jazz Fusion is a genre of prog and Herbie Hancock is therefore a prog artist. Since smooth jazz is the child of jazz fusion and since Sade is smooth jazz; Sade is prog adjacent.

I think that the dichotomy which exists between our points of view has a great deal to do with our musical differences. I had been brought up to believe that simple music had essentially been rubbish. Some would even call me a prog “nazi.” As I had stated previously, “I will defend prog against all enemies- foreign and domestic.

Yes, I did use some artistic license with respect to Carly Simon, but since she is a female artist, she may not receive the respect that she deserves. Al Stewart who is also another similar singer/songwriter is called progressive, but Carly Simon isn’t’? That sounds like a male bias to me. I thoroughly enjoy hearing the sound of an orchestra supporting an artist, even if that ensemble happens to be a string ensemble, as in the case of: Rush and Duran Duran. Of course, I would definitely prefer the support of a full symphony orchestra, whenever possible.


Regarding Foreigner:

Yes, their members did come from prog bands, but unlike other artists, Foreigner did continue to incorporate the use of non-traditional Rock instrumentation on their songs. In fact the songs on their first two records, utilized saxophone on “Foreigner” and string arrangements and reeds on “Double Vision.”

Regarding Boston and Toto, both artists had continued to incorporate progressive rock in their recordings. Besides, prog adjacent refers to bands which are not prog, but are close to being prog. I am guessing that bands which you think of as prog adjacent are actually full-fledged prog bands, belonging to one of the many sub genres. Please check out Prog Archives and the G.E.P.R. for further information.


KING,


Regarding Duran Duran

If we can agree to call them “art rock,” then we can most certainly also agree to call them “prog.” Since “prog” and “art rock” are essentially the same type of music. However, if we want to recognize Duran Duran as “art rock” only, then they fit within the “Crossover Prog” designation, which is still a sub genre of progressive rock.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05/7/2019 @ 10:35am




How long did “punk” actually last? Less than 5 years? How long has prog been in existence? More than 52 years. If we look at the length of time between medieval music and dub step, which is probably 1000 years or so, how significant are those five years within the grander music timeline? By the way, If punk has evolved, then it is no longer “punk,” or is it?

Yes, according to both the Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock (GEPR) & Prog Archives, Jazz Fusion is a genre of prog and Herbie Hancock is therefore a prog artist. Since smooth jazz is the child of jazz fusion and since Sade is smooth jazz; Sade is prog adjacent. By the way, they should probably. Induct Herbie Hancock, also.

I think that the dichotomy which exists between our points of view has a great deal to do with our musical differences. I had been brought up to believe that simple music had essentially been rubbish. Some would even call me a prog “nazi.” As I had stated previously, “I will defend prog against all enemies- foreign and domestic.” ;-P

Yes, I did use some artistic license with respect to Carly Simon, but since she is a female artist, she may not receive the respect that she deserves for writing great and timeless songs. Al Stewart who is also another similar singer/songwriter is called progressive, but Carly Simon is not? That sounds like a huge male bias to me.

By the way, I thoroughly enjoy hearing the sound of a symphony orchestra supporting an artist, even if that ensemble happens to be a string ensemble, as in the case of: Rush and Duran Duran. Of course, I would definitely prefer the support of a full symphony orchestra, whenever possible.


Regarding Foreigner:

Yes, their members did come from prog bands, but unlike other artists, Foreigner did continue to incorporate the use of non-traditional Rock instrumentation on their songs. In fact the songs on their first two records, utilized saxophone on “Foreigner” and string arrangements and reeds on “Double Vision.”

Regarding Boston and Toto, both artists had continued to incorporate progressive rock in their recordings. Besides, prog adjacent refers to bands which are not prog, but are close to being prog. I am guessing that bands which you think of as prog adjacent are actually full-fledged prog bands, belonging to one of the many sub genres. Please check out Prog Archives and the G.E.P.R. for further information.


KING,


Regarding Duran Duran

If we can agree to call them “art rock,” then we can most certainly also agree to call them “prog.” Since “prog” and “art rock” are essentially the same type of music. However, if we want to recognize Duran Duran as “art rock” only, then they fit within the “Crossover Prog” designation, which is still a sub genre of progressive rock.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05/7/2019 @ 11:20am


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G1kY25W1XNE

@ Enig

Punk has been around long before the Ramones, the Stooges, MC5, the Clash, the Sex Pistols, etc. Los Saicos were the first and invented the genre (Thanks Peru!).

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 05/7/2019 @ 11:21am


Bands with the most number one albums on the Billboard 200:

*= Hall of Fame Inductees

The Beatles* - 19
The Rolling Stones* - 9
Led Zeppelin* - 7
U2* - 7
Dave Matthews Band - 7
Eagles* - 6
Metallica* - 6
Bon Jovi* - 6
Linkin Park - 6

Who will be the next band to join the ranks? The closest one I could think of is Pearl Jam, since they have about five number one albums. And they should be making some new music right now.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 05/7/2019 @ 12:24pm


Enig,

Regarding Boston and Toto I agree with You. Both artists had continued to Incorporate Prog rock in their Sound. You can hear Prog Rock On TOTO IV. Its Not on the hit Africa. It’s on other tracks that you hear Progressive Sounds. You have to listen to Full Toto albums to know that.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/7/2019 @ 13:36pm


Enig, punk will last forever!!!!!

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05/7/2019 @ 14:53pm


Enigmaticus,

Punk is still around actually. True to its roots, it's mostly underground. The best example of a punk band that's still around is Bad Religion. Still going on. And yes, it can evolve and still be punk.

Regarding Sade, can you cite a source that isn't specifically dedicated to prog? I think a prog source is going to look for prog wherever it can find elements of it, and call it "prog" or "prog-adjacent." It's the musical equivalent of a person who goes on WebMD with symptoms of either a runny nose or nausea, and going out of their way to confirm they have the most deadly disease that can include those symptoms that are ubiquitous in the annals of pathogen symptoms. So, can you give me a source that isn't prog-oriented, like a general music source? Also, smooth-sounding jazz predates rock'n'roll. And I was being generous calling her smooth jazz, but since "Lounge/Waiting Room/Elevator R&B" really isn't a genre, smooth jazz is the closest apt descriptor.

I'm not implicating any kind of bias against Carly Simon, and never mentioned Al Stewart. Petula Clark had orchestrations behind her on her classic tracks of the '60's. But if you're going to call her "prog" or the Vogues, who took a lot of cues from her (including the song "You're The One") then I can't take you seriously.

Re: Foreigner.... are you effing serious? The saxophone is NOT a traditional rock 'n' roll instrument? Tell that to Bill Haley And His Comets, Steve Douglas, King Curtis And His Noble Knights, Junior Walker And The All-Stars, the Dave Clark Five, and even the freaking ROLLING STONES!!! S**t, Junior Walker played the sax line on "Urgent." I know you talked about other instruments (well, sections really), but just the fact that you even listed the saxophone as an example is just ludicrous, and shows a gaping ignorance and/or bias against the history of rock 'n' roll through its R&B and soul sectors.

Boston and Toto, as I said, we'll agree to disagree. I think it has to be much more than the occasional dalliance of influence to be considered "prog-adjacent." It's gotta permeate the entire evolution of the band's sound.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05/7/2019 @ 21:19pm


The Progressive Rock/ Proto-Prog/ Jazz Fusion discussion is very intriguing, and the origins of all 3 genres occurred in the same time period. Jazz Fusion is NOT a sub-genre of Prog Rock, as the beginnings of Jazz Fusion was born after the death of John Coltrane in 1967, and traditional Jazz was at a crossroads. Larry Coryell, referred to as the Godfather of jazz fusion, stated that a lot of jazz musicians love Miles Davis, but they also love the Rolling Stones, so in 1966 he formed The Free Spirits, releasing "Out of Sight and Sound" in 1967. He then collaborated with The Gary Burton Quartet, who released the jazz/rock album "Duster", in 1967.Also of note, the Jazz record label Verve released the first album by Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention,"Freak Out" in 1966. Jazz Fusion is defined as a music genre that originated in the late 60's when musicians combined jazz harmony and improvisation with Rock music, Funk, and rhythm and blues. Originally referred to as jazz rock, the term jazz fusion was first coined in 1968 in a review on an album titled "Song of Innocence", by David Axelrod, which has been said to have had some influence on Miles Davis for "Bitches Brew". Tony Williams, a member of Miles Davis' band since 1963, left to form his own band, The Tony Williams Lifetime band, with guitarist John McLaughlin, and organist Larry Young, and put out the jazz rock album "Emergency", considered as one of first major Jazz Fusion records, released 3 months before Bitches Brew. Of course, Miles Davis went on to release the fusion album, "In A Silent Way", and John McLaughlin formed Mahavishnu Orchestra.

Progressive Rock formed out of Progressive Pop, which was born out of Psychedelic rock, Folk,Jazz, and Classical influences by bands looking to break out of standard rock and pop tradition with experimental instrumentation and progress into new material. Progressive pop, which is now known as Proto-prog, labeled decades after the fact, has its roots in The Beatles, with "Rubber Soul" and "Revolver", and later, "Sgt. Peppers", the Beach Boys,"Pet Sounds", and also The Byrds, The Doors, The Zombies, Love, The Nice, Grateful Dead, and Pink Floyd, all being essential in forming the genre. Progressive Rock, was later referred to as less commercial, harder edged bands like King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Family, and Van Der Graaf Generator. Also The Moody Blues and Procul Harem, which were called Symphonic rock, at the time.

On the Wikipedia list of Progressive Rock artists, Led Zeppelin is listed. I would guess because of their Medieval type influences. Also Boston, they have prog rock influences, as heard in "Foreplay/Long Time". Toto is listed as well, and noted as being one of the most versatile bands. Other bands, maybe on the borderline listed are Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, ELO, Supertramp, Wishbone Ash, Deep Purple, Journey(first 3 albums), Rainbow, Utopia, The Tubes, Al Stewart, Talk Talk, and even Blue Oyster Cult.

Some of the artists of note, who are not listed as progressive rock are Duran Duran, Foreigner, Carly Simon, and Sade.

For myself, I have been listening to Prog rock since the mid 70's, and Jazz Fusion, probably 1980, and a lot of the Prog I was into, outside the norm, was Nektar, Brand X, Steve Smith's Vital Information, (Baltimore proggers), Crack The Sky, Be Bop Deluxe, Shadowfax, Pavlov's Dog, Tangerine Dream, and of course, most all of the notable, well known bands, as well. For Jazz Fusion, I prefer Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, Al DiMeola, Lenny White, Scott Henderson's Tribal Tech, Pierre Moerlin's Gong, Alan Holdsworth, and Weather Report.

Personally, I believe, and History shows, that both genres originated from similar styles and influences, and draw from and parallel each other, sometimes overlapping and intertwining around and within, crossing over paths. But predominately, both are strong pillars in the music world, and should be recognized and respected for all of the advancements and contributions that both separate styles have created, and hopefully continue to do so.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 02:11am


Will N.,

That is an amazing Post detailing some of the history of Jazz Fusion, Progressive Rock and Proto Prog. I happen to love Jazz. My Focus is 1967-1989. Something like that. I always play Jazz in the morning. Sometimes I play Jazz Fusion. I own a lot of Miles Davies like Bitches Brew,etc. I also do own the Tony Williams Emergency album. It was released in 1969. There is No need for me to re state everything you said on Jazz Fusion.

Progressive Rock came to prominence I would say around 1970. I know all the groups you said. The Moody Blues and Procol Harum were indeed called Symphonic Rock at the time. You mentioned Nektar. Nektar is pretty good. I actually own some Nektar. They had a somewhat large Cult following in the mid 70s. I will also point out that Genesis were a full part of the Progressive Rock movement until about 1980. The albums with Peter Gabriel and also Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering are key in the career of Genesis. I am sure you know all those. Phil Collins did Not make Genesis commercial right away. Wind and Wuthering is a Prog Rock classic. You probably know Camel as well. I am Not a Prog Rock fanatic. I own 2 tunes each from Nektar and Camel. I havent heard Tangerine Dream in many years. They became known for a bunch of Movie Soundtracks I recall. I like most of the notable well known bands. I am Not too aquainted with King Crimson. I own Elephant Talk.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 08:03am


Will N,

Thank you for your opinion.

Of course I will weigh in, because I have an avid, although not quite yet, lifelong interest in progressive rock. For me, prog is the closest thing to my religion and the “holy trinity” of progressive rock (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) are the unexpected musical conduits to the divine.

Although you have given an interesting account of progressive rock and it’s predecessors, you have not mentioned the album, “Days Of Future Passed” by The Moody Blues. Nor, have you mentioned Rush and more specifically, “Exit... Stage Left.” Those two recordings, in my honest opinion are the bookmarks of the Progressive Rock period. Therefore most of the first generation of “prog” bands had been formed between 1967 and 1981. Some prog cognoscenti refer to The Moody Blues rather disparagingly as proto-prog. They believe that only true prog comes with the advent of “In The Court Of The Crimson King” by King Crimson. Because they wish to diminish The Moody Blues pioneering role in rock music history. They also mention a Scottish band named Clouds as being quite influential, although most individuals have never even heard of Clouds.

The fact is that Philip is correct. Those of us who are aficionados of prog are going to favor our favorite artists and ascribe a prog label to them. I happen to really enjoy the music of Rush, but there are still individuals who do not believe that any band which is not British is not a progressive band, even though Rush had been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame as a prog band. They probably disparagingly refer to the Italian prog bands such as: Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (Banco), Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM) and Le Orme, to name but a few, as being primarily influenced by Gentle Giant, ELP and Jethro Tull, although each of these bands had their own Italian music traditions.

You are correct, but the narrow minded rock music critics do not want to accept the idea that they could be terribly incorrect. They had used the industry label of “new wave,” which is a (meaningless industry created umbrella term) to describe over 130 different genres of music which had come after the advent of punk rock. Most individuals who are aficionados of progressive rock tend to think of punk as an aberration or as a joke, Duran Duran has stated several times that they are a progressive band, plus they had been heavily influenced by Roxy Music. Roxy Music has been referred to as an “art rock,” or a “crossover prog” artist by G.E.P.R. and by Prog Archives. Are they incorrect about this? Probably not. Can a very good musician play a Duran Duran song with relative ease? Probably not, for it was Duran Duran themselves who had been relieved that Warren Cuccurullo had joined their band, because he had been a virtuoso. Why would you need to be a virtuoso, in order to play a Duran Duran song? Are they not quite simple to play like most new wave songs? No, they may sound simple, but then so do many Rush songs. However, we know that Rush songs are incredible difficult to play correctly. Why? Because they are written in odd time signatures. According to one site, the difficulty of playing the intro to ‘Ordinary World’ (a very famous Duran Duran song) is considered to be at the Expert Level. So, Duran Duran may have emulated Roxy Music, but they have also continued to remain quite experimental. They look at each album as a project. Therefore, they can be debated to be a prog band. Additionally, as I have mentioned several times previously that:

On "Classic Albums: Duran Duran: Rio," Duran Duran is referred to as a rock band by former and present drummer Roger Taylor. Additionally on the "Classic Albums: Rio" bonus material chapter titled 'Selling Duran Duran to America,' their
Former A & R representative refers to Duran Duran as experimenting with a lot of “art rock.” Nick Rhodes has referred to Duran Duran as being a multi-media corporation. John Taylor had attended art school prior to co-founding Duran Duran; he has referred to Duran Duran as being an "art school" band.

On "A Diamond In The Mind," Duran Duran's live DVD from the tour in support of their album, "All You Need Is Now," Nick Rhodes refers to Duran Duran as a project. The only individual from Duran Duran's camp that I remember, who had referred to Duran Duran as being a "pop band" was former guitarist, Andy Taylor.

Thank you for the insightful discussion about Jazz fusion. However, if jazz fusion had started in 1968, then does it not start after the arrival of progressive rock? I had found the Gibraltar Encyclopedia Of Progressive Rock to be quite informative about the origins of progressive rock. Yet, they include Herbie Hancock as a prog artist for some particular reason. Are they incorrect about this, also? Or is it simply opinion?

As far as Carly Simon is concerned, she is a fantastic and highly undervalued songwriter.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 10:07am


Philip,


You really did not notice the emoticon in my last posting? Of course, I know that the Saxophone has been an important instrument in early Rock & Roll. But, I did not add the Roll part to it, I added the Rock part only. The traditional instruments for Rock (not Rock & Roll band’s) are: guitars, drums, bass and vocals. When you add embellishments such as: keyboards, strings, reeds and brass instruments to rock, you get prog.

Prog adjacent does not mean “prog.” It is however close to, related to, next door to prog. I did not say that Sade was a prog artist, I said that they were a “prog” adjacent artist. The same thing can be said about groups like Heart, Foreigner, Toto, Boston, etc. However, I think that you probably think of Procol Harum, Styx, Supertramp and Kansas as being “prog adjacent,” when they actually fit into one of the many prog sub genres. New Age music also comes under the prog umbrella, by the way.

Is it revisionism to classify a band as “prog,” when they were not decades ago? No, not necessarily because in many instances those rock music critics had their own biases, therefore they had not accurately described what they had been listening to. In many instances, Rock music critics are failed musicians themselves, who are envious of much more successful musicians. Why do you think that Rush and Duran Duran and most prog bands had received terrible album reviews? Because, those critics had been jealous.

Instead they had loved punk, because they could relate to it. But have them review ‘Xanadu,’ by Rush or ‘The Chauffeur’ by Duran Duran and expect them to get negative reviews.

By the way, I trust most Rock critics the same way that I trust most people, i.e. I do not.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 10:35am



Will N.,

Thank you for sharing your scholarly opinion.

Of course I will weigh in, because I have an avid, although not quite yet, lifelong interest in progressive rock. For me, prog is the closest thing to my religion and the “holy trinity” of progressive rock (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) are the unexpected musical conduits to the divine.

Although you have given an interesting account of progressive rock and it’s predecessors, you have not mentioned the album, “Days Of Future Passed” by The Moody Blues. Nor, have you mentioned Rush and more specifically, “Exit... Stage Left.” Those two recordings, in my honest opinion are the bookmarks of the Progressive Rock period. Therefore most of the first generation of “prog” bands had been formed between 1967 and 1981. Some prog cognoscenti refer to The Moody Blues rather disparagingly as proto-prog. They believe that only true prog comes with the advent of “In The Court Of The Crimson King” by King Crimson. Because they wish to diminish The Moody Blues’ pioneering role in rock music history. They also mention a Scottish band named Clouds as being quite influential, although most individuals have never even heard of Clouds.

The fact is that Philip is correct. Those of us who are aficionados of prog are going to favor our favorite artists and ascribe a prog label to them. I happen to really enjoy the music of Rush, but there are still individuals who do not believe that any band which is not British is not a progressive band, even though Rush had been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame as a prog band. They probably disparagingly refer to the Italian prog bands such as: Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (Banco), Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM) and Le Orme, to name but a few, as being primarily influenced by Gentle Giant, ELP and Jethro Tull, although each of these bands had their own Italian music traditions.

You are correct, but the narrow minded rock music critics do not want to accept the idea that they could be terribly incorrect. They had used the industry label of “new wave,” which is a (meaningless industry created umbrella term) to describe over 130 different genres of music which had come after the advent of punk rock. Most individuals who are aficionados of progressive rock tend to think of punk as an aberration or as a joke, I know that I certainly do. Duran Duran has stated several times that they are a progressive band, plus they had been heavily influenced by Roxy Music. Roxy Music has been referred to as an “art rock,” or a “crossover prog” artist by G.E.P.R. and by Prog Archives. Are they incorrect about this? Probably not. Can a very good musician play a Duran Duran song with relative ease? Probably not, for it was Duran Duran themselves who had been relieved that Warren Cuccurullo had joined their band, because he had been a virtuoso. Why would you need to be a virtuoso, in order to play a Duran Duran song? Are they not quite simple to play like most new wave songs? No, they may sound simple, but then so do many Rush songs. However, we know that Rush songs are incredible difficult to play correctly. Why? Because they are written in odd time signatures. According to one site, the difficulty of playing the guitar intro to ‘Ordinary World’ (a very famous Duran Duran song) is considered to be at the Expert Level. So, Duran Duran may have emulated Roxy Music, but they have also continued to remain quite experimental. They look at each album as a project. Therefore, they can be debated to be a prog band. Additionally, as I have mentioned several times previously that:

On "Classic Albums: Duran Duran: Rio," Duran Duran is referred to as a rock band by former and present drummer Roger Taylor. Additionally on the "Classic Albums: Rio" bonus material chapter titled 'Selling Duran Duran to America,' their
Former A & R representative refers to Duran Duran as experimenting with a lot of “art rock.” Nick Rhodes has referred to Duran Duran as being a multi-media corporation. John Taylor had attended art school prior to co-founding Duran Duran; he has referred to Duran Duran as being an "art school" band.

On "A Diamond In The Mind," Duran Duran's live DVD from the tour in support of their album, "All You Need Is Now," Nick Rhodes refers to Duran Duran as a project. The only individual from Duran Duran's camp that I remember, who had referred to Duran Duran as being a "pop band" was former guitarist, Andy Taylor.

By the way, I did not refer to my 22 year old long archived website as: AKD’s prog site. I had called it AKD’s Art Rock Site, instead. Therefore the terms “art rock” and “prog” are mutually interchangeable as far as I am concerned.

Thank you for the insightful discussion about Jazz fusion. However, if jazz fusion had started in 1968, then does it not start after the arrival of progressive rock? I had found the Gibraltar Encyclopedia Of Progressive Rock to be quite informative about the origins of progressive rock. Yet, they include Herbie Hancock as a prog artist for some particular reason. Are they incorrect about this, also? Or is it simply opinion?

As far as Carly Simon is concerned, she is a fantastic and highly undervalued songwriter. I have written much about Sade also, over the past several years and their worthiness for Rock Hall Induction.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 10:44am


Enig,
I will have to get back to you on your response, as I had a piece written on Rush, Moody Blues, Yes, and some of the other major Prog bands, of as you say, the Bookmark period, I like that. However, my computer shut down on me as I was almost finished, and erased everything.
Quickly, on the origins of Jazz Fusion and Prog Rock, the sourcing for fusion dates to 1966-'67 with Larry Coryell forming the Free Spirits, and releasing a Jazz album with Rock influences in 1967. Both genres were born about the same time with Fusion originating more from Jazz and standard Rock, and Prog, more from Psychedelic Rock, Folk, Jazz, and Classical. With Progressive Pop(a.k.a. Proto-Prog) generating from experimentation by the Beatles(Rubber Soul, etc.) and Beach Boys{Pet Sounds), The Doors, and others. Prog Rock basically starting with King Crimson, as you state. Also, you are correct with the Art Rock term, which was used to describe early Prog, as Jazz rock was used to describe early Fusion. Will get back to you later, and rewrite my piece on the Prog bands.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 12:54pm


"You really did not notice the emoticon in my last posting? Of course, I know that the Saxophone has been an important instrument in early Rock & Roll. But, I did not add the Roll part to it, I added the Rock part only. The traditional instruments for Rock (not Rock & Roll band’s) are: guitars, drums, bass and vocals. When you add embellishments such as: keyboards, strings, reeds and brass instruments to rock, you get prog. "

A] The emoticon was in reference to the quote against defending against enemies foreign and domestic, which is really out of context, and is also beside the point and irrelevant. I'm not attacking prog; I'm just saying that just because you like it, that doesn't automatically mean it's in the progosphere. B] In response to the above quote, I say, "Bullshit." The Dave Clark Five had a keyboardist and a sax player. And they were one of the bands of the British Invasion, the musical mini-epoch that is generally considered responsible for modern "rockist" preconceptions of what is considered "rock" and "not rock." Were the Dave Clark Five prog, or even proto-prog? No way. The Rolling Stones had a sax player until he drowned in 1969. Were they prog in those days? They went psychedelic as all get out, but prog? Nope. By your definition, a song with a tambourine on it is "prog" or "prog-adjacent", and that's just outright ridiculous. Foreigner was comprised of prog band alumni, but that does not automatically make them prog-adjacent, nor does Junior Walker's sax solo on "Urgent." If one song on an album with twelve tracks has strings on it, does that make the whole album, or the band at large, "prog-adjacent"? I would say, "Not by a long shot."

But let's play a fun little game in light of your beliefs. Who would you say are your Top 5 favorite rock era acts who you would say are NOT prog or prog-adjacent? And who would your Top 5 Not-Prog-Or-Prog-Adjacent acts be that you want to see in the Hall? I see you didn't list the Doobie Brothers, and I know you've been touting them pretty highly. Would that be one such act?

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 16:46pm


Thé origin of “Prog Rock” is
“Days of Future Passed” by the Moody Blues.

Posted by Mark on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 17:39pm


Will N.,

I am digging this chat for the most part. You are a few years older. But Not by too much I would say. I am 54. So I was a young teenager 40 years ago. You may have seen some awesome concerts before I did. Perhaps Yes,Clapton, Gr Dead,etc. A huge list of great Rock acts.

I am NOT an all or mostly prog guy like Enig, I like Rock a lot but all kinds of Rock. You probably a load of Blues Rock also. Thats where Eric Clapton falls into place. But since Prog is the Topic. I look forward to your prog piece. I actually dont know King Crimson very well. I listened to an interview of them around 1983. It was interesting. But I never bought their stuff a lot. I know Starless and Elephant Talk. I will look for your piece

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 21:11pm


Ben,
I guess I missed your first post this morning, as I just read it now. You may know more than I do about early Jazz, as I was mainly a Rock guy before being introduced to Fusion after 1980. I mainly got into it because of John McLaughlin, and also Weather Report. I have not heard the Tony Williams Lifetime record. Perhaps you can review it.

The band Nektar, I have listened to, and own quite a bit of their records "A Tab in the Ocean" may be their best, followed by "Remember The Future", and "Recycled" is pretty good. And they have a few great Live albums, "Thru' The Ears", in particular. I will get more in to the other stuff later. I probably should have seen Eric Clapton when I had the chance, but did not. And surprisingly did not see the Grateful Dead live, either. I will be attempting to redo the piece on Prog, and growing up listening to Rush, and some other bands.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 22:58pm


Ben,
I guess I missed your first post this morning, as I just read it now. You may know more than I do about early Jazz, as I was mainly a Rock guy before being introduced to Fusion after 1980. I mainly got into it because of John McLaughlin, and also Weather Report. I have not heard the Tony Williams Lifetime record. Perhaps you can review it.

The band Nektar, I have listened to, and own quite a bit of their records "A Tab in the Ocean" may be their best, followed by "Remember The Future", and "Recycled" is pretty good. And they have a few great Live albums, "Thru' The Ears", in particular. I will get more in to the other stuff later. I probably should have seen Eric Clapton when I had the chance, but did not. And surprisingly did not see the Grateful Dead live, either. I will be attempting to redo the piece on Prog, and growing up listening to Rush, and some other bands.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 01:24am


Ben,
I guess I missed your first post this morning, as I just read it now. You may know more than I do about early Jazz, as I was mainly a Rock guy before being introduced to Fusion after 1980. I mainly got into it because of John McLaughlin, and also Weather Report. I have not heard the Tony Williams Lifetime record. Perhaps you can review it.

The band Nektar, I have listened to, and own quite a bit of their records "A Tab in the Ocean" may be their best, followed by "Remember The Future", and "Recycled" is pretty good. And they have a few great Live albums, "Thru' The Ears", in particular. I will get more in to the other stuff later. I probably should have seen Eric Clapton when I had the chance, but did not. And surprisingly did not see the Grateful Dead live, either. I will be attempting to redo the piece on Prog, and growing up listening to Rush, and some other bands.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 01:26am


Enig,

I am sorry, but my response to your last post will be delayed again, as I was finishing up a writing on the musical impact that Rush had on me in my Rock youth, and I erased it all in error, and duplicated my previous post, somehow with backspace button. Must be tired. Will check back with you guys in a day or two..

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 01:36am


Will N.,

I actually may know more about early Jazz. But can You please define Early Jazz. Early Jazz is my Dad's time. I am Not into that nearly as much. I know some.1939-1955 is my Dad's era for Jazz. But I do NOT think you meant Early Jazz fusion. That started around 1967. I was mainly a Rock guy until 1985 when I was turned on to General Jazz. When you re post next Please kindly explain your term Early Jazz. These chats are great.

Also clarify about Tony Williams. You mentioned that Tony Williams formed his own band and put out the Jazz Rock album Emergency. Is that from your Research and reading or did you listen? I think now you know about the career of Tony Williams but didn't have a chance to hear the Emergency record. Let me know that Please. I first heard it 5 months ago and downloaded it.

You have listened to Nektar. I own 2 tunes from Recycled. It was a somewhat notable album in 1976. I want to focus on the Jazz questions above. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 06:54am


Will N.,

The Sum up of Before is Define Early Jazz. I know Early Jazz to be Big Band and the early Regular Jazz of BeBop. 1939-1955. That is my Dad's time of Youth. In fact my Dad passed away at 86 Years old. It hit me pretty hard. He was heavily into Early Jazz.I don't really know that.

One of the Older Jazz I know is Tony Williams Lifetime Band with the Emergency album. It's Not an emergency to know. Ha You like the pun. But I want to know how you define Early Jazz. "My jazz" starts with the late 60s. It is NOT early Jazz. I don't know early Jazz either in my definition. That is the time of early Jazz fusion and other experimentation.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 08:18am


Will N.,

I will sum it up even Better. Early Jazz- 1939-1955.
My Jazz- Older Modern Jazz including the Greatness Of Jazz Fusion-1967- 1989.

There is a Gap between the Early Jazz and the Modern Jazz. 1956-1966 I would say. I don’t know that well either. Also Too old. But my Dad got out of Jazz around 1955. He turned to the Vocals and Oldies of the 50s. NOT relevant for Jazz at all. I guess the reason I am fussing over Jazz era is because the Term Early Jazz reminds me of my Dad who was bed Bound due to lack of use in Legs but As Sharp as 40 Years Ago.He was Still Talking about his Jazz Days Of the 1940s and 50s a year ago like Duke Ellington or somebody like that.

So the middle Period is one I don’t Knows how to Classify. I know my Dad didn’t Know it. But Neither do Almost allll my Jazz starts with 1967. There was Tony Williams in 1969 and of course The Great Bitches Brew by Miles Davis. I happen to Love John McLachlan And Herbie Hancock Of the 70s a lot.

Once You Respond to your Definition Of Early Jazz I will resume Prog Rock Chat Like Yes,Rush etc. RIGHT NOW. Tell me about the Phrase Early Jazz. That willl always be known as my Dads Time. My Dad graduated High School In 1950.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 09:22am


Philip,

I had heard of the Dave Clark Five, but I had not heard the music of the Dave Clark Five until last night. I must admit that they had sounded like the early Beatles, in my honest opinion, so you are correct, no they are definitely not prog. 🙀

Now, in deference to your previous posting, for future reference, I will place emoticons in the proper context. 🤥

There are actually many characteristics of prog as defined by Prog Archives. Rather than list any, or all of them here. I will refer to Prog Archives as having probably the best definition overall, since I am actually too exhausted or perhaps too lazy to actually do it. 👌

Choosing 5 non-prog, or non-prog adjacent bands which I actually like, would be a very difficult task indeed. 🙄

Well, what do you think? 😜








Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 09:50am


Philip,


You really did not notice the emoticon in my last posting? 🤔
Of course, I know that the Saxophone has been an important instrument in early Rock & Roll. 🤥But, I did not add the Roll part to it, I added the Rock part only. 🤥The traditional instruments for Rock (not Rock & Roll band’s) are: guitars, drums, bass and vocals. 👌When you add embellishments such as: keyboards, strings, reeds and brass instruments to rock, you get prog. 🤥🤥🤥

Prog adjacent does not mean “prog.” 🤔 It is however close to, related to, next door to prog.👌 I did not say that Sade was a prog artist, I said that they were a “prog” adjacent artist. 👌The same thing can be said about groups like Heart, Foreigner, Toto, Boston, etc. 👌However, I think that you probably think of Procol Harum, Styx, Supertramp and Kansas as being “prog adjacent,” when they actually fit into one of the many prog sub genres. 👌New Age music also comes under the prog umbrella, by the way. 👌

Is it revisionism to classify a band as “prog,” when they were not decades ago? 👌No, not necessarily because in many instances those rock music critics had their own biases, therefore they had not accurately described what they had been listening to.👌 In many instances, Rock music critics are failed musicians themselves, who are envious of much more successful musicians. 👌Why do you think that Rush and Duran Duran and most prog bands had received terrible album reviews? Because, those critics had been jealous. 😡

Instead they had loved punk, because they could relate to it. But have them review ‘Xanadu,’ by Rush or ‘The Chauffeur’ by Duran Duran and expect them to get negative reviews. 🤬

By the way, I trust most Rock critics the same way that I trust most people, i.e. I do not. 😡

Well, what do you think?🤔

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 10:04am


Will N.,

I will definitely look forward to your response. Thank you for letting me know.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 10:09am


Philip,


You really did not notice the emoticon in my last posting? 🤔
Of course, I know that the Saxophone has been an important instrument in early Rock & Roll. 🤥But, I did not add the Roll part to it, I added the Rock part only. 🤥The traditional instruments for Rock (not Rock & Roll bands) are: guitars, drums, bass and vocals. 👌When you add embellishments such as: keyboards, strings, reeds and brass instruments to rock, you get prog. 🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥

Well, not really, the definition of prog is actually quite complex. 👌
Prog adjacent does not mean “prog.” 🤔 It is however close to, related to, next door to prog.👌 I did not say that Sade was a prog artist, I said that they were a “prog” adjacent artist. 👌The same thing can be said about groups like Heart, Foreigner, Toto, Boston, etc. 👌However, I think that you probably think of Procol Harum, Styx, Supertramp and Kansas as being “prog adjacent,” when they actually fit into one of the many prog sub genres. 👌New Age music also comes under the prog umbrella, by the way. 👌

Is it revisionism to classify a band as “prog,” when they were not decades ago? 👌No, not necessarily because in many instances those rock music critics had their own biases, therefore they had not accurately described what they had been listening to.👌 In many instances, Rock music critics are failed musicians themselves, who are envious of much more successful musicians. 👌Why do you think that Rush and Duran Duran and most prog bands had received terrible album reviews? Because, those critics had been jealous. 😡

Instead they had loved punk, because they could relate to it. But have them review ‘Xanadu,’ by Rush or ‘The Chauffeur’ by Duran Duran and expect them to get negative reviews. 🤬

By the way, I trust most Rock critics the same way that I trust most people, i.e. I do not. 😡

Well, what do you think?🤔

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 11:07am


Ben,

I was writing to you about the Early Jazz reference and period, which I meant Jazz before Fusion, and then my laptop shut down without warning and erased my post. I have not been having good luck with these posts lately. I will have to get back to you tonight on that, as I will be very busy the next 3 days at work.
Quickly, I suppose I meant the era of Jazz that included the works of Charlie Parker, Thelonius Monk, Dizzy Gillespie, Stan Kenton, John Coltrane, Larry Coryell, guys who came before Miles Davis, and your Dad may have experienced in the time he was involved. I figured that you might have been more familiar with Jazz in general than I am, because I have heard very little of it, before the Jazz Fusion era. Will check back later.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 12:40pm


Will N.,

Yeah get back to me when You can.Ahh I see.Yes I’m into General Jazz. I know certain ones before the Fusion. So You were partly right. Of the ones you said I mainly Know Dizzy Gillespie and John Coltrane. I think those 2 were slightly before Miles Davis. I love Them and of course Miles Davis. I own 1 Charlie Parker Best Of because my Dad talked about him a lot. I love Guys in the 70s and 80s a lot. I like and own a lot of Herbie Hancock. That puts you on the Right track. Chat with ya later

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 17:14pm


Is it revisionism to classify a band as “prog,” when they were not decades ago? 👌No, not necessarily because in many instances those rock music critics had their own biases, therefore they had not accurately described what they had been listening to.👌 In many instances, Rock music critics are failed musicians themselves, who are envious of much more successful musicians. 👌Why do you think that Rush and Duran Duran and most prog bands had received terrible album reviews? Because, those critics had been jealous. 😡

Instead they had loved punk, because they could relate to it. But have them review ‘Xanadu,’ by Rush or ‘The Chauffeur’ by Duran Duran and expect them to get negative reviews. 🤬

Well, what do you think?🤔

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 05.9.19 @ 11:07am
-----------------------------------------------
Enigma - I know you meant this for Philip, but I happened to be passing by and it caught my eye. I'm not responding to all of it, just a little bit here.

If you think the rock critics liked punk, then you really Have been spending too much time in prog-land. Most mainstream critics hated punk, cause it punched a hole in everything about the 70's. We're not just talking prog either, we're talking country-rock, jazz-rock, psychedelic, metal, funk, all of it to be exact. It's the reason why I've always found it hilarious when metal folks start talking about punk. All of a sudden, these big strong super he-men and metal chicks turn into whiny little idiots (I'll never understand it, lol). The idea that critics bashed prog in the name of punk is the same as the metal people insisting that punk was after metal And Only metal. It holds no water.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 20:28pm


@ Cheesecrop

I think Enig was referring to the critics before new wave and the post-Stooges punk popped up in the late 70’s. Back then they were slamming at bands like Zeppelin, Sabbath, and Queen cause they felt the “glory” years of music ended after the 60’s. After that through now, most critics are just hipsters in nature who make their reviews look all “cool and edgy” while showing that they’re “smarter” than anybody else, and they mostly listen to College radio. I don’t think most of them are that honest as they tend to be cause they have their own popular opinions in their world.

And let’s not forget the fact that some do get paid to put out a positive reaction on certain songs, albums, and acts no matter how bad they could be to others. Some were fired for being honest like a critic is supposed to be. Didn’t Jann Wenner kicked one guy out for revealing his negative opinions on Hootie and the Blowfish? I’ve been hearing about that story a few times.

It’s pretty much the same thing with most DJ’s these days on terrestrial radio. I like to be more flexible and judge things for myself.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 05/9/2019 @ 21:09pm


"There are actually many characteristics of prog as defined by Prog Archives. Rather than list any, or all of them here. I will refer to Prog Archives as having probably the best definition overall, since I am actually too exhausted or perhaps too lazy to actually do it. 👌 "

Actually, I was thinking about citing sources that weren't devoted specifically to prog. I'm asking how prog is defined by general music sources. I think in this instance, it's important to have a source that doesn't try to find the prog in everything.

"Choosing 5 non-prog, or non-prog adjacent bands which I actually like, would be a very difficult task indeed. 🙄

Well, what do you think? 😜 "

I think you should at least try.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 05/10/2019 @ 01:25am


The biggest band in the world every year from 1969 to 2017! Contenders in parenthesis.
https://expo.cleveland.com/life-and-culture/erry-2018/10/a6a87615be2164/the-best-rock-band-in-the-worl.html

1969: The Beatles (Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, The Who)
1970: Led Zeppelin (CCR, CSNY, Santana)
1971: Led Zeppelin (Stones, The Who)
1972: The Rolling Stones (Deep Purple, Jethro Tull, Chicago)
1973: Pink Floyd (Zeppelin, Stones, War)
1974: The Band (Wings, Deep Purple, Bad Company)
1975: Led Zeppelin (Eagles, Earth Wind and Fire, Pink Floyd)
1976: Queen (Eagles)
1977: Fleetwood Mac (Sex Pistols, Eagles, Pink Floyd)
1978: The Rolling Stones (Van Halen, Boston)
1979: Eagles (Pink Floyd, Zeppelin)
1980: Pink Floyd (AC/DC, Queen, Stones)
1981: The Rolling Stones (The Police)
1982: The Clash (Duran Duran, Roxy Music, Iron Maiden)
1983: The Police (ZZ Top, Genesis, Culture Club)
1984: Talking Heads (Van Halen)
1985: The Cure (Dire Straits, Tears For Fears)
1986: REM (Bon Jovi, The Smiths)
1987: U2 (REM, Def Leppard, Guns N Roses)
1988: Guns N Roses (U2, Bon Jovi, The Traveling Willburys.)
1989: Guns N Roses (Aerosmith, Pixies)
1990: Pixies (Heart)
1991: Metallica (U2, Guns N Roses, REM)
1992: Nirvana (REM, Pearl Jam)
1993: Pearl Jam (Nirvana, U2)
1994: Green Day (REM, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden)
1995: Oasis (Smashing Pumpkins, Alice in Chains)
1996: Smashing Pumpkins (Rage Against The Machine, Pearl Jam, Tool)
1997: Radiohead (No Doubt, The Verve, Oasis)
1998: Beastie Boys (Korn, Smashing Pumpkins)
1999: Rage Against The Machine (Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nine Inch Nails)
2000: Radiohead (U2, RHCP)
2001: Linkin Park (The Strokes, Dave Matthews Band)
2002: System of a Down (Linkin Park, Coldplay)
2003: The White Stripes (Linkin Park, Muse)
2004: Green Day (Maroon 5, blink-182)
2005: The Killers (Green Day, Gorillaz, Coldplay)
2006: Fall Out Boy (RHCP, Panic! At The Disco)
2007: Foo Fighters (My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy)
2008: Coldplay (Radiohead, Kings of Leon)
2009: Paramore (Green Day, Florence + The Machine)
2010: Arcade Fire (Vampire Weekend, The Black Keys)
2011: Foo Fighters
2012: The Black Keys (Mumford & Sons)
2013: Vampire Weekend (Arcade Fire, Queens of the Stone Age)
2014: Artic Monkeys (Against Me! Foo Fighters, The Black Keys)
2015: Alabama Shakes (Fall Out Boy, Twenty One Piolets)
2016: The 1975 9Radiohead, Twenty One Piolets)
2017: Twenty One Piolets (Paramore, Panic! At The Disco)

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 13:48pm


Follower,

That’s a Coool list. I am going to use this list for something Interesting. List the acts I own Stuff from..

1969-1976: Own stuff from allll acts.

1977-1979:Own from Fleetwood Mac,Eagles,Pink Floyd,Rolling Stones,Van Halen,Eagles,Pink Floyd Led Zeppelin

DO NOT own- 1977:Sex Pistols. No Desire
1978: Boston

1980: Own all
1981:Own all
1982: Own all
1983: Own all
1984:Own all
1985: Own-Dire Straits,Tears for Fears
1986: Own alll. I do even own the Smiths from 1986.
1987: Own- U2,Def Leppard,Guns n’ Roses
DO NOT own- REM
1988: Own alll
1989: Own alll I Do own from this year. GnR,Aerosmith and the Pixies.

That’s it for Now. I willll continue with 1990 later and go into the 1990s. Take Care

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 14:29pm


Great list, follower.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 14:44pm


Looking at the list from Follower’s recent post.

Hall of Fame inductees:

The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
Queen
The Band
Fleetwood Mac
Eagles
The Clash
The Police
Talking Heads
The Cure
U2
Guns ‘N’ Roses
REM
Metallica
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Radiohead
Beastie Boys
Green Day

The snubs/newly eligibles:

Rage Against The Machine
The Pixies
Smashing Pumpkins
Oasis

Future eligibles that will/needs to be inducted:

Foo Fighters
Coldplay
Linkin Park
System of a Down
The Killers
The White Stripes
Fall Out Boy
Paramore
The Black Keys

Future eligibles I’m mostly undecided on:

Arcade Fire
Artic Monkeys
Vampire Weekend
The 1975
Twenty-One Pilots
Alabama Shakes

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 16:28pm


Nothing to say about the artists in parenthesis?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 18:34pm


Here’s a different list for the Contenders; I’m only excluding the ones who won the “world’s biggest band” title.

Hall of Fame Inductees:

CCR
Santana
CSNY
The Who
Deep Purple
Chicago
Earth Wind and Fire
Sex Pistols
Van Halen
AC/DC
Roxy Music
ZZ Top
Genesis
Dire Straits
Aerosmith
Bon Jovi
RHCP
Heart
Def Leppard

The snubs/newly eligibles:

Jethro Tull
War
Wings
Bad Company
Iron Maiden
Duran Duran
Culture Club
Boston
The Smiths
Tears For Fears
Soundgarden
Alice In Chains
Nine Inch Nails
Blink-182
Korn
The Traveling Willburys
Tool
No Doubt
Dave Matthews Band

Future eligibles that will/needs to get inducted:

Muse
My Chemical Romance
Queens of the Stone Age
Gorillaz
Maroon 5
The Strokes
Panic! At The Disco

Future eligibles I’m mostly undecided on:

Florence + The Machine
Kings of Leon
Mumford & Sons

Acts that I don’t think they meet the Hall’s requirements:

The Verve
Against Me!

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 20:28pm


I think excellent groups who have never been even nominated are worse snubs. People argue about Depeche Mode and Kraftwerk not being inducted. That is TRUE. Both have been nominated multiple times. No inductions. At some point, the RRHOF voters have to accept some of the responsibility. These are in many cases the greatest musicians of all time. Many musicians will attend concerts of other bands and love live music. Sometimes in the case of Chicago, ELO, Moody Blues etc, it's just getting on the ballot. Then, they are quickly voted in by the voters. What can be done? I think the Top 3 Eligible Vote Getters on a Special Music Voters poll should be nominated. I know the Hall itself has started a voting thing. RRHOF would still have 15 artists or groups to nominate. I liked the 19 more expansive ballot although the 15 last time worked out well. They could even be creative and have 1 of the recent inductees propose a nominee for the next ballot. To me, some of the biggest snubs of artists who have never been nominated are: Alice In Chains, Black Crowes, Duran Duran, Iron Maiden, Peter, Paul & Mary, Smashing Pumpkins etc. KING'S QUESTION OF THE DAY: Of the eligible artists, who are the 5 or 10 biggest snubs of the artists or singers who have NEVER even been nominated? KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 20:59pm


I will continue with what I own and do Not Own Now.
I will now Cover the Early 90s on this list.

1990: Own- Heart album was Brigade
DO NOT own- Pixies
1991- Own- Metallica,Guns n Roses, REM
DO NOT Own- U2- I didn’t like Achtung Baby as much. It was a Transitional Year in Music
1992- Own- REM and Pearl Jam
Do Not Own- Nirvana
1993- Own- Pearl Jam
Do Not Own- Nirvana and U2. I have never owned Any Nirvana. Don’t plan to. I don’t Own the U2 Zooropa
1994: Own all- Green Day,REM, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are all Not Too Bad That year.

That cover Early 90s. I continued listening to Major Rock groups through The Early 1990s.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 21:32pm


After that through now, most critics are just hipsters in nature who make their reviews look all “cool and edgy” while showing that they’re “smarter” than anybody else, and they mostly listen to College radio. I don’t think most of them are that honest as they tend to be cause they have their own popular opinions in their world.

And let’s not forget the fact that some do get paid to put out a positive reaction on certain songs, albums, and acts no matter how bad they could be to others. Some were fired for being honest like a critic is supposed to be. Didn’t Jann Wenner kicked one guy out for revealing his negative opinions on Hootie and the Blowfish? I’ve been hearing about that story a few times.

It’s pretty much the same thing with most DJ’s these days on terrestrial radio. I like to be more flexible and judge things for myself.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 05.9.19 @ 21:09pm
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The gent you were referring to was Jim DeRogatis, who received the boot via Wenner for the Hootie article.

It is true what you say. Many critics dropped the ball regarding any kind of rock that fails to flatter their tastes, especially if they want to appear sophisticated. They blew it w/the late 70's and early 80's, they blew it in the mid-90's, when tons of great rock was completely ignored in favor of Nirvana'a martyrdom, and they've blown it during the whole of the 21st century. It's hard to believe anyone can go 0-for-19, but that's 2000 till now (Help! lol).

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 21:45pm


KING,
From my prospective, this is the 10 biggest HOF snubs to have never been nominated:
1. The B-52’s
2. Big Star
3. Captain Beefheart
4. Dick Dale
5. Iron Maiden
6. Joy Division
7. Mariah Carey
8. The Monkees
9. Pixies
10. T. Rex

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 21:57pm


On KING'S Question of the Day,
Snubbed Bands who have yet to be nominated, KING mentioned a few including Peter, Paul and Mary, which I found surprising, so I will throw out 6 more not mentioned:

Tommy James and the Shondells - T. Rex

Joy Division/New Order - The Commodores


Pat Benatar - Eurythmics

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 23:42pm


KING,

My mistake. Eurythmics were nominated in 2006. I did not know.
Replace with,

Jethro Tull

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 05/11/2019 @ 23:47pm


Top 5-10 never been nominated? No particular order:

Chubby Checker
Whitney Houston
Mariah Carey
Barry White
Junior Walker And The All-Stars
Boyz II Men
Sonic Youth
Buddy Knox And The Rhythm Orchids
The Tokens
The Clovers

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 05/12/2019 @ 00:07am


Philip
I have noticed you have been supportive here on FRL in Chubby Checker's case for RRHOF nomination and induction. What are maybe 3-5 reasons do you think Chubby Checker is a RRHOF worthy artist? I wasn't born at that time. It might be helpful to others as well to gain more support for him. I am giving you the rudimentary courtesy "Philip" 😃

KING 👑

Posted by KING on Sunday, 05/12/2019 @ 00:32am


KING,

1. First off, I think the Cameo-Parkway legacy is in serious need of representation. Before Motown, Cameo-Parkway was really the first record label family to recognize that youth culture was really driving rock and roll. Certain artists were recognizing it: Bill Haley, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, etc. But their labels didn't fully grasp it the way that Bernie Lowe (and to a lesser extent co-founder Kal Mann did. Now, that alon may be more reason to induct Lowe (and Mann), but Chubby Checker was the biggest artist from that family, and it was on his back that it really took off for the time it did. You gotta include the artists that made it a success as well as the founders.

2. Checker's records were important. There's a difference between "variations on a theme" and "being derivative," and I'd strongly argue that Chubby was the former, and not the latter. "Let's Twist Again" may have had some similarities to "The Twist," but it was an exciting, pulsating record of its own. And the dance records that followed were incredibly infectious melodies all in their own rights. "Let's Limbo Some More" is an underrated gem. "Pony Time" also went to #1. "Loddy Lo," "Dance The Mess Around," "Dancing Party"... all festive songs that just put a smile on your face. But what makes them important is that they got American kids dancing. At this time in American society, dancing still carried a certain amount of social taboo, especially TEENAGERS dancing. Checker's records that kept the youth of America kept rock 'n' roll strong and going at a time when there were active efforts to squelch it.

3. His short-term influence is MASSIVE. "The Twist" itself spawned countless records about the twist, but his other records helped create scads of original dances, most of which didn't last, but during that time, it was more than just a craze. It took the Beatles to put an end to it.

4. The long-term influence is not inconsequential either. Because of how huge the dance records of the early '60s were the seeds planted that later sprouted disco when watered with funk and soul. And later budded the EDM scene, and Chubby Checker was a big part of that. And he keeps resurfacing every once in awhile. His "The Changs Has Come" album in 1982 got him briefly back in the edge of the spotlight. The Fat Boys revived "The Twist" and him with it. "Limbo Rock" and "The Fly" have been remixed to be dance hits in the early '00s.

5. He was respected by the old guard too. At the very first induction ceremony, when a jam broke out with Chuck Berry, Ray Charles, Little Richard, and whoever else wanted to sing or play; they invited Chubby up on stage and asked him to lead them in "The Twist." If he's got respect from the charter class, then that alone should be enough cache to get him in (same goes for solo Tina Turner).

Hope that answers your question. I wasn't born at the time either, but that's some insight, at least as I see it.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 05/12/2019 @ 01:38am


Philip
Thanks for your response on Chubby Checker. I know about "Dance This Mess Around" "Let's Twist Again" and "The Twist" and some of his songs. You made some strong points on why he deserves an induction and his influence. It's going to be difficult for Chubby Checker's induction as each year passes. It's great points you brought up on Chubby Checker and I will have to give him more consideration. Thanks for your write-up and information. A few years ago, a discussion about The Cars potential induction was just as insightful. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 05/12/2019 @ 03:28am


Looking at the recent top votes on the Hall’s kiosk, Motley Crue could be number one now thanks to the movie. If they stay there for seven months straight, they’ll get a nomination and an induction. Can’t really picture Blink staying on the top for that long.

Cher is one of my predictions for the next class; I’m really glad she’s warming up on the kiosk.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 05/12/2019 @ 10:13am


Philip,


You really did not notice the emoticon in my last posting? 🤔
Of course, I know that the Saxophone has been an important instrument in early Rock & Roll. 🤥But, I did not add the Roll part to it, I added the Rock part only. 🤥The traditional instruments for Rock (not Rock & Roll bands) are usually : guitars, drums, bass and vocals. 👌When you add embellishments such as: keyboards, strings, reeds and brass instruments to rock, you may get prog. 🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥

Well, not exactly, the definition of prog is actually quite complex. It may have as many as 12 parts. 🤔 Finding a non-prog source to describe it accurately, without describing it in non-biased manner is quite difficult. 🙄It is probably much easier to say who is, or is not prog than to define it satisfactorily.👌 I had considered using Jerry Lucky’s definition, but he is a prog enthusiast. 🤔 Then I had considered using Rolling Stone, but their definition had been too simple. 🤔

Prog adjacent does not mean “prog.” 🤔 It is however close to, related to, or next door to prog.👌 I did not say that Sade was a prog artist, I said that they were a “prog” adjacent artist. 👌The same thing can be said about groups like Heart, Foreigner, Toto, Boston, etc. 👌However, I think that you probably think of Procol Harum, Styx, Supertramp and Kansas as being “prog adjacent,” when they actually fit into one of the many prog sub genres. 👌New Age music also comes under the prog umbrella, by the way. 👌

Is it revisionism to classify a band as “prog,” when they were not decades ago? 👌No, not necessarily because in many instances those rock music critics had their own biases, therefore they had not accurately described what they had been listening to.👌 In many instances, Rock music critics are failed musicians themselves, who are envious of much more successful musicians. 👌Why do you think that Rush and Duran Duran and most prog bands had received such terrible album reviews? Because, those critics had been jealous. 😡

Instead many music critics had loved punk, because they could relate to it. But if they had reviewed ‘Xanadu,’ by Rush or perhaps even, ‘The Chauffeur’ by Duran Duran, then expect them to give negative reviews. 🤬

By the way, I trust most Rock critics the same way that I trust most people, i.e. I do not. 😡

Well, what do you think?

As far as non-prog, or non-prog adjacent groups who I would support is concerned, listing more than a few is extremely difficult for me. 🙀

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05/12/2019 @ 13:44pm


The general public is more influenced by music (or at least OLDER music) appearing in television & film than they are by the radio or reviews, etc.

This was observed by an article that I think was on FiveThirtyEight where Spotify number for Classic Rock tracks that are in popular movies are way higher, etc. And yes, this includes Adam Sandler films in particular.

In other words, the boon in museum voting for Motley Crue (bio pic on Netflix) and Cher (Broadway musical) are artificially inflated because of these projects. The same can be said for Freddie Mercury (solo) for obvious reasons.

Even FRL isn't immune to this. It's no coincidence that The Runaways suddenly became an inductee (totally not deserving - a manufactured group with about three good songs) simply because of the film.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 05/12/2019 @ 14:00pm


@ Casper

I’ll be checking that article out! It should be interesting.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 05/12/2019 @ 18:32pm


I will Again continue with what I own and Don’t Own. I will Now cover the Rest Of the 90s. 1995-1999.

1995:Own-Alice in Chains
Do Not Own-Oasis,Smashing Pumpkins
1996:Own-Rage Against the Machine,Pearl Jam
Don’t Own-Smashing Pumpkins. I never liked anything from Them. Sorry

1997: Own- Radiohead,No Doubt,The Verve
Don’t Own-Oasis

1998: Own None

1999: Own-Rage Against the Machine,Red Hot Chili Peppers
Dont Own- Nine Inch Nails

Alll of this is A good idea. It gives me a. Chance to people some of what I own and therefore like. There was still a whole bunch of Music I liked all through the 90s.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/13/2019 @ 13:35pm


I will continue with 2000-2004

2000:Own-U2,RHCP
Don’t own-Radiohead

2001: Own-The Strokes
Don’t Own-System of a Down

2002: Own-Coldplay
Don’t own-System of a Down,Linkin Park
I strongly dislike those 2. With Metal I mostly like 80s Heavy Metal

2003: Own-The White Stripes
Don’t own- Linkin Park, Muse

2004: Own- None Some earlier Green Day is fair but NOT by the 2000s


2004: Own- None

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/13/2019 @ 21:08pm


Watched part of the 2019 Induction ceremony last night. Saw Stevie Nicks, The Cure, Roxy Music sets. Loved sets by The Cure & Roxy Music.

BTW, The Cure will be at Austin City Limits Fest in October. I will be there.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05/14/2019 @ 11:52am


Follower,

I dug that List. I took it to the Next level.
Ok, This is the Rest 2005-2015. NOT after. I own music up to 2015. NOT Bad for a 54 year Old Guy. That’s me.

2005:Own-The Killers,Gorillaz. I do about 2 tunes from Killers and 1 from Gorillaz

2006: Own- None

2007: Own-None

2008: Own- Kings Of Leon
Don’t own-Coldplay,Radiohead

2009: Own- Florence and the Machine
Don’t own-Paramore, Green Day. NO idea by 2009 about a lot of the new 2000s groups. I was 44. A lot of 44 year Olds DO NOT.

2010: Own-Black Keys
Don’t own- Arcade Fire Vampire Weekend. NO IDEA

2011: DO NOT OWN- Any Foo Fighters RIGHT now

2012: Own- Mumford and Sons. They have a very Modern Folk Rock Sound

2013: Own- NONE

2014: Own- Black Keys
Don’t own- Arctic Monkeys,Against Me,Foo Fighters

2015: Own - Alabama Shakes
Don’t Own- Fall Out Boy, 21 Pilots

NOTHING AT ALLLLL after that. I got a lot further than some of you may have thought. NOW why did I do alll this. To demonstrate that I can get Much more Modern. As a Summary. I love Pink Floyd Top Group for 1973. I love the Top group of 1974 and of Course Led Zeppelin Top Group Of 1975. I like a lot of Stuff from Guns n Roses,Top Group Of 1988 and 1989. As it moves Along. BUT I also don’t mind and own music from Top Group Of 2005 The Killers. And from Top Group Of 2015, the Alabama Shakes. Furthermore I own and Like the White Stripes. The Top Group Of 2003. I think they first released music in 1998. The White Stripes will be eligible around 2023. And I Would be interested. There it is. I willll Now listen to some Rolling Stones a little later from 1972. Please respond if Possible. Please I beg. I am a fan of Your list. Talk to ya.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/14/2019 @ 13:23pm


I listened to the entire Tunestiles Podcast on the 50 Snubs that should get in next. I've bolded the ones that aren't inductees here in Rock Hall Revisited/Projected since they aren't the usual suspects.

ALANIS MORISSETTE
Alice in Chains
B-52s
Bad Company
BOSTON
Dave Matthews Band
Dead Kennedys (mentions that Black Flag probably should of been on the list)
Depeche Mode
Dolly Parton (inducted in the Influences category here at FRL, mentions of Kenny Rogers and Patsy Cline)
Doobie Brothers
Duran Duran
FOREIGNER (talk of how both Foreigner and Styx weren't innovative and therefore get lost in the shuffle)
Frank Sinatra (another Influences inductee here at FRL)
George Michael
THE GO-GOs
HUEY LEWIS & THE NEWS
inxs
Iron Maiden
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD
Jethro Tull
JIMMY BUFFET
JOE COCKER
John Coltrane (Influences inductee @ FRL)
Judas Priest
KORN
MARILYN MANSON
MEAT LOAF
Megadeth (mentioned that maybe Anthrax should have been on the list)
The Monkees
Motley Crue
Motorhead
Nine Inch Nails
Ozzy Osbourne
Pantera
Pat Benatar (also mentions Mariah Carey should be in as someone else that dominated their era)
PHISH
Rage Against The Machine
The Runaways
SCORPIONS
Slayer
The Smiths/Morrissey
Soundgarden
Stone Temple Pilots
STYX
A Tribe Called Quest
War
Weezer
"Weird Al" Yankovic
Whitney Houston
Willie Nelson (yet again, an Influences inductee at FRL)


I have no idea how they managed to not even mention Kraftwerk or Smashing Pumpkins...I'd say their biggest blind spot would be singer-songwriter types like Harry Nilsson, Warren Zevon, etc.


Also, UK Punk and Post-Punk (Kate Bush, Buzzcocks, The Jam) and indie rock (Pixies, Husker Du, etc.)

Podcast was a solid enough listen. They did a great job briefly explaining the case for most of these.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05/14/2019 @ 18:27pm


Ben,

Well, it's not my list, it's some guy in Cleveland's list.

Good job showing us you have such a broad musical collection.

How accurate would you personally say the list was? Just asking the opinion of someone who could have been there for several of the years. Were Metallica, U2, Guns N Roses, and REM really the biggest bands of 1991, for example?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/14/2019 @ 18:30pm


Man, LL Cool J really needs to take a vacation from the ballot next year. OutKast has already been a victim of his, so will Biggie also miss the ballot in the vain hope that LL Cool J can "get lucky" and sneak in?

He's clearly the ultimate borderline Hip Hop candidate. Not as obscure/short-lived-career as Afrika Bambaataa or Eric B & Rakim who were both one-and-dones. But, for now, let those with much better credentials get in first.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05/14/2019 @ 18:42pm


@ Casper

I still think Biggie is the only rapper who has the best shot of getting nominated and inducted at first year, since he’s now eligible despite his short career. All of the others you’ve mentioned will have to wait once the Hall is done with him, Jay-Z and Em in the next few years or so.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 05/14/2019 @ 20:18pm


Follower,

I DID NOT Know that it was List from a Guy in Cleveland. I was even around in the 70s. I can go back to 1976 and say it’s accurate and Based on Reading and knowing Rock Well since I’m a Young Teenager. Its allll accurate.

Only a few years may be Off. In 1973 and 1974 I would Say the Grateful Dead should have been listed as a Contender. That’s about it. But I witnessed 1976 and on. Queen was absolutely the Biggest band that Year. A Night at the Opera was so huge and they Toured the entire world. And the Eagles were the contender with a big Tour. They had just had One of These Nights And Hotel California was released in Nov. 1976.

1977- Fleetwood Mac was Certainly the biggest band in the World. The Legendary Rumours album was Number 1 for over 6 months. The Eagles and Pink Floyd were definitely Contenders. But Sex Pistols were Notorious alll Over the World and helped Launch the Whole Punk movement But its Really a band like the Steve Miller Band That should be a contender for 1977.
1978- Its pretty accurate But Boston is NOT really a contender.
I Can honestly say that 1979- 1993 is accurate first hand. Mostly.

1982-The Clash, Duran Duran, Asia and Iron Maiden were actually the Biggest Bands in the World. NOT Roxy Music.

After that is accurate to 1993.
As example The Police,ZZ Top, Genesis And Culture Club Really were the Biggest Bands in the World.

The Talking Heads And Van Halen really were the Biggest Bands of 1984.I was 19 I witnessed that.

And so I can say that Guns n Roses, Aerosmith and the Pixies really were the Biggest Bands Of 1989.There you go There it is.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/14/2019 @ 21:30pm


As expected, the Crue is now number one on the fan vote kiosk. If they stay there for seven months straight to keep the momentum going, they’ll get nominated and inducted for the next class. This goes to show the Dirt is a Hall bait.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 05/14/2019 @ 23:03pm


Casper,

That looks like some guy's list that is going for the most popular names on a chart from a station that plays the same 400 songs per format. There really isn't too much, apart from the Dead Kennedys, that you don't hear on an adult contemporary/classic rock formatted station. Kraftwerk is a ridiculous omission, and it's really focused on 2 genres. Not a horrific list, but far from all-inclusive.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/15/2019 @ 02:13am


Will N.,

What are you talking about exactly. You say the Eurythmics were nominated in 2006. I think you read that wrong or mistyped. The Eurythmics were NOT nominated in 2006. They are eligible since 2006. They were nominated in late 2017 for 2018. So still replace. But 2006? Or it could be a mistype. Eurythmics were nominated in late 2017

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/15/2019 @ 06:41am


I’m really glad Tommy Lee put out his reaction to the Kiosk; that should boost up the numbers for the Crue in order to have power staying on the number one spot. Now if only Vince, Mick and Nikki does the same.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/15/2019 @ 10:47am


http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/motley-crue-takes-lead-in-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fames-voice-your-choice-fan-vote/

MÖTLEY CRÜE Takes Lead In ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME's 'Voice Your Choice' Fan Vote

Even Blabbermouth is takin’ this seriously!

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/15/2019 @ 11:36am


Hey Ben,
Good catch. Looks like I put down the Eligible since year, instead of the nominated year. I must have been in a hurry to correct the post. Thanks.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 05/15/2019 @ 13:10pm


Will N.,

You were going to get back to me on Jazz. Are we doing anymore on that chat? I told you 1 week ago that I don't know Early Jazz too well. With Early Jazz I mainly know Dizzy Gillespie,John Coltrane and of course Miles Davis with his 50s stuff from Kind of Blue.

You asked if I can review the Tony Williams Lifetime Emergency album. I will do that later. It was released in 1969. A very key year in the birth of Jazz Fusion. Respond back Talk to ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 07:15am


Will N.,

Here is my review of the Tony Williams Lifetime album Emergency album. It is a double album released in 1969.The album has commonly been thought of as a pioneering and influential album in the Jazz rock and fusion genres. Emergency used the best elements of free jazz and British rock. The music was more oriented with progressive music's rock side rather than its Jazz. Tony Williams fused psychedelic elements while featuring reprises and crescendos between the simpler time signatures of rock and the more progressive metres of Jazz. I feel the album as an example of psychedelic Jazz. In 1969 Psychedelia was still rather prominent. There is a lot of influence from Psychedelic music on this album. I first heard it 6 months ago and downloaded it. It is an album that marks the beginning of the Jazz I like a lot. I would like to hear from Ya.

After these Jazz posts we return to Rock. Jazz does NOT have as much to do with the RnR HOF besides Miles Davis.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 07:45am


The band has made their official reaction to the kiosk on Facebook.

“Great work Crüeheads! Visitors to the RNRHOF in Cleveland can go in and vote for their choice. 'All In the name of Rock N' Roll'”

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 12:30pm


Ben,
Thank you for the review on the Emergency album. I listened to 2 songs so far from it in the last week. It is great, very raw and groundbreaking and I will continue to check out more of it. Also from Tony Williams Lifetime, I listened to a lot of the album, "Believe It", from 1974, I think. It is a little more polished and refined, and has Allan Holdsworth on guitar. It gets pretty high marks, as being one of his best, and I like this one a lot, and am listening to this presently also. Will get back to you later, as I've been kind of busy with work lately.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 12:52pm


Will N.,

I should check out that album From Tony Williams Believe It. I never heard of it. Now this week I googled Jazz Standards POST 1950. FORGET the 50s. I’ve downloaded most of the Jazz standards Recently from 1968-1975. I down loaded and then listened to Crystal Silence-Chick Corea-1972, Red Clay-Freddie Hubbard-1972 And Beauty And the Beast-Wayne Shorter-1975. I dig Wayne Shorter a lot. He started with Straight Jazz and got into Jazz Fusion quite a bit. This ends the Jazz Chat. BACK to Rock.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 16:42pm


Will N..

Just a couple things more on Jazz. The Jazz I like which seems to be mostly the same with the Jazz Fusion period. I dig Wayne Shorter a lot. He started out in that Middle period I mentioned. I have a Best of for his 60s stuff I play a lot. But this week I checked out Beauty and the Beast,from 1975. No relation at all to the musical. It's on an album Native Dancer. I don't know the album. This Beauty and the Beast tune is written by Wayne Shorter. He was a key member of the great Weather Report. You must know Heavy Weather-1977.I am pretty sure.You probably know that one very well. I would say you know Elegant Gypsy-1977. I went a step further with the Jazz. Im into a lot of Jazz fusion as well.

Now it's Back to Rock. This is after all a site about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. A parallel to Jazz Fusion was Progressive Rock. Progressive Rock was innovated by the Moody Blues. But Prog Rock got its term with King Crimson I believe. As Enig stated the critics believe that True Prog came with the advent of In the Court of the Crimson King. I know that tune. Greg Lake from that group helped form Emerson,Lake and Palmer. I know them much better. ELP was huge in the 70s. This is a lead up for me to say I think Now that king Crimson may be nominated for 2020. Before ELP.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/17/2019 @ 05:08am


Ben,
Sure. I like a lot of those Weather Report albums, and Elegant Gypsy is Al Di Meola. Will get back to you tonight. Had some computer issues last night. It's working better now.

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 05/17/2019 @ 07:30am


Will N.,

That’s What I meant. I would say yu Know Al Di Meola’s Elegant Gypsy-1977 And Also Return To Forever’s No Mystery-1975. I though I would do some title Dropping.

Getting back to Rock I expect a nomination for King Crimson for 2020. Emerson,Lake And Palmer will come Afterwards I think. I willll Never expect Nektar to even be considered. NO Way. We will discuss Prog in the near future. I think you are doing a more detailed Post on that. Talk to ya

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/17/2019 @ 14:37pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

I think Celine Dion will shock everyone and she will get a surprise nomination for the Rock Hall this year coming up for the 2020 class and then get an immediate induction on her first try before the likes of The B-52's (Kate Pierson and Cindy Wilson), Carole King, Chic (Norma Jean Wright, Luci Martin and Alfa Anderson), Connie Francis, Eurythmics (Annie Lennox), Kate Bush, Mariah Carey, The Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Pat Benatar, Peter, Paul & Mary (Mary Travers), PJ Harvey, The Runaways, Siouxsie & The Banshees (Siouxsie Sioux), Sonic Youth (Kim Gordon), Tori Amos, Whitney Houston, X (Exene Cervenka), Tina Turner, Diana Ross, The Go-Go's, The Shangri-La's, Salt-N-Pepa, Queen Latifah, Chaka Khan, Big Mama Thornton (as an Early Influence), Emmylou Harris, Patsy Cline (as an Early Influence), Ella Fitzgerald (as an Early Influence), The Carter Family (Mother Maybelle Carter and Sara Carter and also as an Early Influence), Dolly Parton, Pixies (Kim Deal), Bjork, Lucinda Williams, Tracy Chapman, Smashing Pumpkins (D'Arcy Wretzky), Lesley Gore, Cher (solo)/Sonny & Cher (Cher), Gloria Estefan, Carly Simon, Grace Jones, Suzi Quarto, Cyndi Lauper, Melissa Etheridge, Sheryl Crow, Loretta Lynn, Sade, Patti LaBelle, Alanis Morissette, The Carpenters (Karen Carpenter), The Crystals, The Chantels, Anita Baker and The Bangles.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/18/2019 @ 10:56am


richie,

I Totally disagree with Your assertion that Céline Dion will get a surprise nomination coming Up for the 2020 Class. First of all B52s, Carole King.Mariah Carey the Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Pat Benatar And Peter Paul and Mary will be Inducted first. Céline Dion has No relevance to Rock, R&B or Folk. The ones above do. Why would I say Mariah Carey Yes And Céline No.Mariah has great relevance to R&B. Peter,Paul & Mary have influence and Relevance to Folk music. Céline Dion is An Easy Listening Act with lots of Hits. If every single Popular artist were Inducted then Barbra Streisand would be Inducted. Now Tori Amos,Whitney Houston,X,Diana Ross, Tina Turner And alll others you mention willl be Inducted first. Now Maybe In 2035 Céline Dion could first be Nominated. That’s after alll Those. I usually agree with You.

All the Mellow singers already Inducted had Relevance to Rock, R&B Or Folk Music. And Country in some cases. Lovely Linda Ronstadt was Inducted in 2014. She is Not Hard Rock At allll. But she has sung folk and Country. I am Very sorry for the disagreement. Maybe you can state credentials for Céline Dion in the Hall.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/18/2019 @ 12:43pm


richie,

It is good to see you on here. This does spark a small chat. Sorry if I came on Strong there. I have personally been into music since I was 5 in 1970. I was actually 5 in 1970. Now then I can Say from your List that Céline Dion will be Inducted sooner than Chic. Unfortunately for Chic,Nile Rodgers was Inducted in the Back Door. So Chic will Never be inducted. And Connie Francis is from the by Gone era of the 50s I think. So she just about Zero Chance. Celine Dion has a better chance than they do.

Your focus Right Now is Women. Others you mentioned are Carly Simon,Grace Jones And Cyndi Lauper. IMO Those also will alll be Inducted before Céline Dion. Believe it or Not Back in 1973 Carly Simon was considered Rock in that year. I was 8 years old And heard You’re So Vain every other day. And also Haven’t Got Time for the Pain. She had reviews in Rolling Stone for albums in the 70s as a Singer/songwriter. You can ask your Mom. I am NOT just into Hard Rock. Carly Simon fits in the Hall. Céline Dion has never done folk or R&B. Grace Jones is known as an experimental R&B singer. She fits and so does Cyndi L. I just wanted to clarify.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/18/2019 @ 13:45pm


Ben,

I'm going to list off Celine Dion's credentials for the Rock Hall in the following order:

She's won 5 Grammy Awards, 20 Juno Awards, 45 Felix/ADISQ Awards, 5 American Music Awards, 1 People's Choice Award, 7 Billboard Music Awards, 12 World Music Awards, 3 Golden Globe Awards and 2 Oscars.

She's the world's best selling female artist of all time with nearly 300 million records sold.

She received the Order Of Canada in 2013, has been inducted into Canada's Walk of Fame, Canadian Broadcasters Association Hall of Fame and has received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

She was honored with the Diamond Award in 2004 in recognition as the world's best selling female artist of all time and in 2007, she was honored with the Legend Award for Outstanding Contribution to Music at the World Music Awards.

She was honored with the Billboard Icon Award in 2016 at the Billboard Music Awards just four months after her husband Rene Angelil's death and gave an emotional speech that night.

She has headlined two sold-out residency shows at The Colosseum at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas, the first being A New Day from March 25, 2003- December 15, 2007 and Celine from March 15, 2011-June 8, 2019. for 13 non-consecutive years, she has become the Queen of Las Vegas with her legendary performances there in Vegas.

Her 2008-2009 Taking Chances World Tour is the third highest grossing tour ever by a female artist behind only Madonna with her MDNA and Sticky & Sweet Tours.

She has had 11 top 10 albums (including 4 #1 albums) on the Billboard 200 chart, has had 10 top 10 hits (including 4 #1 hits) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart and has had 21 top 10 hits (including 11 #1 hits) on the Adult Contemporary chart.

So all in all, I think that she truly deserves to be nominated and inducted into the Rock Hall at some point (if not next year for the 2020 class).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/18/2019 @ 14:37pm


Richie.
I really like your Celine Dion points and surprise nomination talk. Dion had 1 of the most iconic songs on 1 of the epic movies in the last 25 years Titanic. That will carry some weight. She has so many awards and hits. I believe she will be inducted someday. Don't know if it would be so soon. Interesting points though. I'll keep it in consideration. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05/18/2019 @ 14:52pm


Ben,

I'm sorry if I offended you with my comment, it was not my intent, I'm just a big fan of Celine and I'd love for her to get the recognition that she truly deserves as an artist. Have a great day...

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/18/2019 @ 14:58pm


@ Richie

While massive commercial success doesn’t equate quality, but I do see Celine getting inducted in the future. Other than Madonna, Rihanna, Mariah Carey and maybe the late Whitney Houston, I can’t picture any female act that is popular as her - she’s WAY TOO BIG to be ignore.

For me, I think Cher and maybe Dionne Warwick will be the Hall’s gals for the next class.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 05/18/2019 @ 15:00pm


richie,

I said Before Céline Dion May first be Nominated in 2035. I can Walk that back slightly and Say Céline Dion could be Nominated Around 2029. I moved her Up 6 Years. A long time Back Neil Diamond was Inducted in 2011. He had some Pop hits in the Late 60s And became Easy Listening 1975 and on. So I am not saying Céline Dion will be ignored forever but I Do Not expect a nomination Any time soon. I agree with The Dude about Cher and Dionne Warwick. Cher has a lot of extra Publicity Right Now. Dionne Warwick has Relevence for R&B and Covered a lot of Burt Bacharach songs. I go with Cher and Dionne Warwick. In fact I expect to Switch Out Carole King for Dionne Warwick for 2020.

Celine Dion is way too big to Ignore but in the past it took a lot of Years for both Abba and Neil Diamond to be Inducted. IMO. Opinion I would have held off Longer on those 2. I was NEVER a fan but about 20 Years before Céline Dion was a Star I know Abba were International Stars. ABBA was eligible for 1999 but were Not Inducted Until 2011. That’s a good example because ABBA Did a lot of Easy Listening music.

I’m going with Cher, Dionne Warwick and Carol King Solo first. I like Your Celine Dion points too. She will be Inducted someday just Not so soon. In 2029 Perhaps. Have a good day as well. Be well.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/18/2019 @ 18:39pm


Richie,

I am somewhat doubtful of Celine Dion's chances. No doubt she is a very talented performer and a very good singer. I personally own most of Celine's earlier catalogue.

But unlike ABBA or Neil Diamond, who you both mention, her star has declined over the years.
Whereas there are many ABBA songs and Neil Diamond songs that are considered classics, I can't really think of any Celine songs that have really stood the test of time. ABBA has Dancing Queen and Mamma Mia and The Winner Takes It all. They were very influential musicians that many subsequent stars in Europe spent their time trying to be as good as ABBA, from Bucks Fizz to Dollar to Roxette to Ace of Base to S Club 7. They wrote almost all of their songs. Bands like Erasure covered ABBA songs.

Neil Diamond, also a superlative songwriter, has Sweet Caroline and Cracklin' Rosie and Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show, all of which sound better with time. The guy wrote "I'm A Believer" and "Red Red Wine", both songs considered classics in their cover versions by other artists.

Celine's recording career in my opinion has not produced any songs that I would consider classics and that are played much on the radio nowadays. Many, I think, consider Celine's Titanic song a cringeworthy effort from a movie which has great special effects but is otherwise also cringeworthy. One could argue that "My Heart Goes On", which was an incredibly huge hit throughout the world, hurt Celine's career because people were so tired of it. Her string of big hit singles went away within 2 years of Titanic.

So, whereas it sounds as you would strongly disagree with me, which I certainly respect,
I don't see Celine making the Rock Hall at any time. Perhaps if she were more of a songwriter that would be different.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Saturday, 05/18/2019 @ 22:32pm


On Celine Dion: I noticed these award shows and other programs they respect and value artists who overcome tragedy and hardships. A perseverance if you will. She's continued after the death of her husband Rene and a brother Daniel. Both from cancer a few days apart. I think Def Leppard who was inducted this year 2019 also was respected for continuing despite a string of tragedies that struck the band. Dion has plenty going for her in albums sales sheer volume, hits, influencing other 90's and 2000's singers. She also shows versatility and talent singing in English, French, and other languages. It would be difficult to say when Celine would be nominated. Maybe, 2025 or 2026. My guess Carole King, Cher, Mariah Carey, Tina Turner, Whitney Houston, etc would be nominated 1st. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05/18/2019 @ 23:41pm


As the calendar moves towards June, the clamor and shouts for more Women Inducted Into The RRHOF will intensify. In this regard, I think the RRHOF has received an undue lashing. Let's examine the last 20+ years. Stevie Nicks has been inducted 2x, Ann and Nancy Wilson (Heart), Blondie, Bonnie Raitt, Chrissie Hynde (The Pretenders), Darlene Love, Janet Jackson, Joan Baez, Joan Jett, Linda Ronstadt, Madonna, The Ronnettes, The Staple Sisters, Tina Weymouth (Talking Heads). The RRHOF also inducted long overdue and deceased artists Sister Rosetta Tharpe and Nina Simone. I'm missing a few others. Other deserving female artists like Annie Lennox and Chaka Khan have been nominated. Chaka several times.
In the next 5 years, Annie Lennox, Carole King, Chaka Khan, Cher, Diana Ross, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, etc probably will be at least nominated and or inducted. I could easily see 4 or 5 female artists nominated this 2019-2020 cycle. The proliferation of social media and websites has given music fans a voice to announce underrated or deserving RRHOF artists. Both female and male artists. I think the RRHOF has listened to many suggestions including adding more women to the RRHOF Nom Committee and including multiple quality female artists to the ballot.
Should Mariah Carey, Pat Benatar, and the late Whitney Houston etc be inducted? Of course. However, there's also a backlog of deserving and qualified bands. Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, Nine Inch Nails are a quick 6. One way to eliminate this backlog...Increase the Size of the Class Size To 7. Maybe 6 and a Special Award. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 05/19/2019 @ 00:43am


Ben,
Absolutely. I feel you are very well experienced in the Jazz/ Jazz fusion genres, and it is good to state your favorites and do some title dropping. In fact, I have compiled 12 of my favorite fusion artists, with some of their notable releases, which I am sure you are familiar with most. I will send that later tonight. This is important because we do not always hear all of the great material that is out there, that had passed us by unknowingly, in days gone by. Like I had just recently discovered the Tony Williams Lifetime, which I had not heard anything by them before. His recordings are great.

I also agree with you on the King Crimson possibility of being nominated soon. They should definitely be on the short list for Prog acts, along with Jethro Tull and Procul Harem. I think with King Crimson, just the talent in that band deserves to be in RRHOF. Robert Fripp, Bill Bruford, Tony Levin, Adrian Belew, Greg Lake, etc. And I will be ready to get back into the Rock talk soon, just been somewhat busy lately.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 05/19/2019 @ 15:38pm


Will N.,

That would very cool if you post a list of your favorite fusion artists. I can use it as a checklist. I am figuring on Chick Corea and Wayne Shorter being on your list. I will leave this to you.

As far as music listening each day. I listen to Jazz every morning until about 10 AM. I get to my Rock during the Bulk of the Daytime. You may be the same. Even Eric Clapton and Pink Floyd are artists I listen to in the Regular Daytime.

I look forward to your Fusion List. I don't want to stay on Jazz much longer. The other posters may get bored of this and feel Jazz is not relevent to the Hall. The Rock talk will return.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/20/2019 @ 06:38am


Will N.,

While I wait for Your Jazz Fusion List I willl Get Back To Rock. Now a great Prog Group was Genesis. They were Inducted in 2010. You clearly know their 70s Material. Peter Gabriel was mostly in Control. I feel their Stuff is Great up to Duke. Just mentioning that. Rush are good and of Course Yes and the Moody Blues. These Prog giants have alll been Inducted. But the Hall stopped this year. Roxy Music is really Not Prog.

Next year I figure both Jethro Tull and King Crimson will possibly be Nominated. Its hard to say which of these would be Inducted with Both Nominated. Jethro Tull Played the Big Venues in the 70s And had a bunch of Albums High on the Charts. But King Crimson is liked more By Critics And May get more Votes due to the Musicians like Robert Fripp And John Wetton.We shall see. Stick with the Fusion list first.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/20/2019 @ 12:00pm


Ben,
I should get this in now, as I will be on the road for a few days, which is where I do most of my listening. I would say that currently I am in exploration mode, just looking for material I have not heard of, or have been wanting to check out. This list is not necessarily favorite bands/artists in order, but key albums by the artists that I like.
Band/Artist/Performer -:- Key Album -:- Other Notables/Credits
________________________ -:- ____________ -:- ____________________

14. Steve Smith's Vital Information -:- "Vital Information" -:- ('82-'84), also "Orion"

13. Scott Henderson's Tribal Tech -:- "Face First" -:- (1986-'92) also "Illicit", "Nomad"

12. Allan Holdsworth -:- "Road Games" -:- (1980-"86), "I.O.U.", "Velvet Darkness"

11. Shadowfax -:- "Shadowdance" -:- (1976-1995) "Watercourse Way","Folksongs For a Nuclear Village", "The Odd Get Even". (Band described as New Age)

10. Tommy Bolin -:- "Teaser" -:- (1973-'78) "Energy", "Private Eyes". Blend of Hard Rock/Blues rock/Jazz/Fusion

9. Pierre Moerlin's Gong -:- "Gazeuse"(U.K.), "Espresso"(USA) -:- (1977-'83) "Espresso II", "Time Is the Key". w/Allan Holdsworth
8. Alphonse Mouzon -:- "Mind Transplant" -:- mid 70's, w/Tommy Bolin

7. Bruford(Bill Bruford) -:- "One Of a Kind" -:- (1978-'82) "Feels Good to Me", w/Allan Holdsworth, Jeff Berlin

6. Al DiMeola -:- "Elegant Gypsy" -:- (1976-1998) "Land of the Midnight Sun", "Splendido Hotel", "Kiss My Axe"

5. Brand X -:- "Unorthodox Behavior" -:- (1975-'82) -:- "Moroccan Roll", "Product", Do They Hurt?". w/Phil Collins

4. Return To Forever -:- "Where Have I Known You Before" -:- (1972-'78) "No Mystery", "Romantic Warrior"

3. Weather Report -:- "Heavy Weather" -:- (1974-'85) "Black Market", "Mysterious Traveler", "8:30"

2. Billy Cobham -:- "Spectrum", w/Tommy Bolin -:- (1973-'98) "Crosswinds", "Total Eclipse", "Shabazz", "Stratus"

1. Mahavishnu Orchestra -:- "Birds Of Fire" -:- (1972-'87) "The Inner Mounting Flame", "Visions of the Emerald Beyond". w/ Billy Cobham, Jan Hammer, etc.


Ben, I hope all of this turned out OK, too much work, and you are correct. It is time to get back to Rock. But because of the affect and influence that Jazz and Fusion has on Rock and Progressive Rock and vice versa, these genres are important.



Posted by Will N. on Monday, 05/20/2019 @ 12:19pm


Will N.,

That is an Awesome list. I will end the Jazz topic quick by saying that I will download highlights of Unorthodox Behavior and since I know Return to Forever Rather Well And Own No Mystery I Will Order Where Have I Known You Before. Thank You. Back to Rock Now.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/20/2019 @ 21:57pm


It is Now back to Rock. I was also thrown off by that amazing list of Top bands that the Follower posted from some writer. As far as that list I had a good run with the Top Bands 1969-1994.Of course I own Lots of Led Zeppelin,Pink Floyd and the Talking Heads. But I also own some Pearl Jam from 1993 and Green Day from 1994. Then with Oasis in 1995 I own nothing. I didnt like some things Noel Gallagher said about the Beatles. Some of you may know what I'm talking about. I always respect the Beatles that I started with early on in my life. I am also Not into much at all from those Smashing Pumpkins. But hey I am sure both these bands will be inducted somewhat soon.

So between that list and the Jazz chat with Will N. I have not talked much about Rock inductees for The RnR Hall of Fame in 2020. And so I will Now. I think Pat Benatar has a great chance for nomination. I am thinking that both Jethro Tull and King Crimson will be nominated to make up for skipping on Prog. I am also confident that Todd Rundgren will Return. I never predicted he would be nominated last year. But you cant think of everyone. He is good performer and a great producer. Thats it for Now.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/20/2019 @ 23:13pm


I just neeed to make a correction. I said I had a Good Run with The Top Band thru 1994. That’s false for me. I own NOTHING by the Top band of 1985 THE CURE. NEVER liked them. Too strange and New wave for me. I am a diverse but Conventional Rock Fan. I never Went through Each Top band. I went through alll the Bands listed on the Follower Post.

I do Own The Top Bands after that through 1991. REM,U2, Guns n’Roses,Pixies And Metallica. But For 1992 I do NOT own any Nirvana. I never liked them. They helped destroy a lot of 70s and 80s music careers. And I am Not totally fond of their Sound. I guess I don’t. Hate them but NOT wasmy thing. Don’t get Confused. They belong in the Hall. They started a new Revolution in music with Grunge from Seattle. But in 1992 I was preferring Bonnie Raitt, Eric Clapton, Bon Jovi along with hundreds of Other Traditional Rock acts.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/21/2019 @ 08:36am


Ben,

I am terribly sorry, but I am going to have to disagree with you about your statement; “Roxy Music is not really prog.” According to the Gibraltar Encyclopedia Of Progressive Rock and of course, Prog Archives- Roxy Music is indeed “prog.” It can be argued that they are not necessarily a major “prog” band, but they are prog nonetheless. PROG Magazine has also featured individual members of Roxy Music and has discussed Roxy Music several times in numerous articles, because Roxy Music is a progressive rock band.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05/21/2019 @ 10:01am


Let's do this.

Just how many Snubs does the Rock Hall have that CAN actually be inducted as Performers? In other words, how big is the backlog.

Let's start with the 50s/60s artists - most of whom aren't viable to be inducted as a Performer. If Link Wray couldn't make it in, for example, neither will Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'n Roll Trio or Dick Dale.


Won't Ever Get The Votes To Be Inducted As A Performer:

Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'n Roll Trio
Connie Francis
Link Wray - Singles Inductee
Jan & Dean
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
The Spinners - Those last three names have tried and failed in recent years and there's no sign that they ever had any real momentum

Peter, Paul and Mary

Toots & The Maytals - Yeah, Jimmy Cliff got in easily enough, but they aren't as recognizable as him

The Guess Who - Very comparable to Steppenwolf

The Sonics

Scott Walker - I'll just lump him in here with the 60s for now

Tommy James & The Shondells

Procol Harum - Singles Inductee

Steppenwolf - Singles Inductee

Silver Apples


COULD BE VIABLE:

Captain Beefheart - Zappa's in and Trout Mask Replica is considered a stone cold classic

Love - The Zombies are in and Forever Changes is considered a stone cold classic


INEVITABLE INDUCTEES:

The Monkees - Endless hits, high name recognition, discography stacks up fine against Mamas & Papas, Rascals, etc.

MC5 - Must have been doing well on previous ballots to keep returning. Stooges are in.

Gram Parsons - Would have been a no-brainer had he appeared on the ballot in "deader" years, but the ballot is pretty large now with much bigger snubs so it could take awhile



The Rock Hall's Performer backlog for the 50s/60s artists that CAN actually get the votes to be inducted, therefore, is rather meager.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05/21/2019 @ 13:02pm


The 1970s (and, yes, The Spinners should have been in this category rather than the former one)


Not Viable:

Can - Just can't ever see the votes ever going their way.

Kool & The Gang - Way too many other classic rock/populist names in front of them. Hard to see them ever even making the ballot.

Three Dog Night - see Kool & The Gang

Sparks
Neu!

Barry White - Not a no-brainer black inductee, so it's a hard road to induction

The Commodores - see Barry White

Television - I just don't see it. They aren't the Sex Pistols, so that one beloved album won't be enough

The Runaways - Completely unnecessary due to the Joan Jett induction (which was already a stretch)

Chic - Rodgers' induction killed off their hopes

Suicide


Viable:

Jim Croce
Jethro Tull
The Carpenters - Unfortunately
King Crimson
Nick Drake
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Thin Lizzy
War
Big Star
New York Dolls
Judas Priest - But clearly NOT yet
The Buzzcocks
Devo
The Jam

Inevitable Inductees:

Carole King
Harry Nilsson
T. Rex
Kraftwerk
The Doobie Brothers
Bad Company

Brian Eno - Likely through Musical Excellence instead though

Joy Division - Likely a dual induction with New Order




So, there's about three full classes worth (at 7 inductees per class) of names that COULD get in. But I think we are still years away from a lot of these names (Judas Priest, ELP, Carpenters, War) actually having "weak" enough ballot competition to be inducted. I'd say that if 3 out of 7 of the Performer inductees for the next five years are from the 1970s, then you'll have likely cleared out all the viable 1970s names.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05/21/2019 @ 13:16pm


I'll do the 80s/90s later - the most snubbed set of decades and where we should expect the vast majority of inductees own the pipeline to come from. Main point of this exercise is that the Rock Hall really isn't THAT far behind on 50s/60s/70s Performers that can actually be inducted with this electorate.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05/21/2019 @ 13:18pm


Casper, The Monkees will only get in when all their contemperies have died. Just remember, these other bands didn't have the vast resources (compared to other up & coming bands) that The Monkees did. Those guys n gals sure remember that & take it into consideration, IMO.

Gram Parsons will also get in only when anyone who actually knew & interacted with Gram Parsons is dead.

I guess they are 'inevitable' in a way, it's just going to take another 30 years or so.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05/21/2019 @ 14:34pm


Enig,

I am Not an Expert on Prog as You are. The irony is I was inspired by something You Said Last November. You felt Roxy Music was a small Disappointment because they were Not a Major Prog Group. Actually You did say that they are the most Prog Group this year. I am Not a big Roxy fan. I own 5 songs. However Roxy Music did have Brian Zeno Who is very much a Prog person. I do have lack of knowledge here. The only album I ever owned from Roxy is Avalon. That was about 30 years ago On Vinyl. I stand corrected. Sorry

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/21/2019 @ 21:13pm


Casper, I think Herman's Hermits could have an argument to get in as well from the 60s, but the Monkees are criminally overdue. Nice analysis.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/22/2019 @ 03:43am


I just want to make yet another correction. Roxy Music did Have Brian Eno who is very much a prog person. The only album I ever owned from Roxy is Avalon.

Anyway I am very confident that Jethro Tull will be nominated for 2020. This is a key group of the 70s that's still snubbed. There are Not a lot of popular flute players in Rock like Ian Anderson. Jethro Tull has a large career with lots of albums.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/22/2019 @ 08:34am


Ben,

If you only own “Avalon” by Roxy Music, then you happen to own a magnificent album. If you like this recording quite a bit, especially ‘To Turn You On,’ then may I suggest that you purchase “Country Life?” “Country Life” is also another extraordinary Roxy Music studio recording, ‘The Thrill Of It All’ and ‘Out Of The Blue’ from “Country Life” are two of Roxy Music’s best songs, in my honest opinion.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/22/2019 @ 09:59am


Philip had brought this up last year, but I also think that placing several more female artists on the 2020 Nominating Committee ballot would be a great idea. I think that Pop Dose’s article, ‘The Rock and Roll Fall Of Fame’s Woman Problem’ by Matthew Bolin lists several great female artists and bands which should be on the Nominating Committee’s ballot, including: Sade, Carly Simon, Tori Amos, Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow, The Bangles, Björk and k.d. lang, each of which I have previously advocated for.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/22/2019 @ 10:15am


Alright, I'mma do the 80s.


NOPE:

Motorhead - Anti-Metal bias is just too much for these guys

XTC - Too niche

Siouxsie & The Banshees - see XTC

X - see XTC

Bauhaus - see XTC

Dead Kennedys - First ballot Punk Hall of Famers, but not enough on the resume to get the votes they need

Weird Al - He SHOULD get in but in a category like Musical Excellence. Anything else is a slap in the face to real Performers being unfairly snubbed.

Afrika Bambaataa - Thin discography (albeit with PREMIUM peak material) and already failed the ballot test

Eric B & Rakim - see Afrika Bambaataa

INXS - Truthfully, pretty much forgotten outside of Oceania already. Already had a weak resume to begin with.

Husker Du - And if they are going to flat out fail on the ballot, so will practically every other indie act

Bad Brains - Hey, they at least got the consolation prize

Pantera - Hall voters dislike Metal

Slayer - see Pantera

Megadeth - see Pantera

The Jesus and Mary Chain
Stone Roses - For these two, one massive record does not a case make




VIABLE:

Black Flag
Kate Bush
The B-52s
Iron Maiden

The Specials - Eh, got to give it up for Ska. The combined resume (the first two LPs and "Ghost Town") seem about on par with Television's Marquee Moon (so that's NOT a good thing), but I dunno...feeling generous.

Ozzy Osbourne
Eurythmics

LL Cool J - The ultimate borderline Hip Hop candidate. The rest are either slam dunk inductees or will never get in.

Nick Cave - Tom Waits got in easily enough. Never underestimate the singer songwriter-types with a lot of industry respect

George Michael
Billy Idol - But no on both. YUCK!




Inevitable Inductees:

Warren Zevon - I just forgot to list him for the 70s, it looks like. Whatevs.

Pat Benatar - The induction of Nicks' solo careers makes this one inevitable

Depeche Mode
Duran Duran
Motley Crue - All three of these are just around the corner...

New Order - likely with Joy Division

The Replacements
Sonic Youth
The Smiths
Pixies


21 names in the latter two categories. So, that's three 2019-sized (as in, SEVEN inductees) classes. Gonna be a LOT of 80s inductees coming down the pipeline.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 05/22/2019 @ 19:47pm


Couple points of inquiry. Apologies if I'm cherry picking.

Whitney Houston seems a shoo-in as well, especially with Janet going in this year, and to a lesser (and my opinion, not deserved as a solo artist) Stevie Nicks.

Secondly, Pantera...ugh, I love how there are so many RRHOF "fans" who seem to think anything that doesn't resemble guitar rock doesn't belong anywhere near the building, but the committee takes it further the other way, and is TOO artistic and avoids metal like the plague. Pantera is the seminal Thrash Metal band. Some would argue they are on par with Metallica in terms of innovation.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 05/23/2019 @ 05:01am


@ K-Dawg

Pantera was a groove metal band; they didn’t invented the sub-genre, but they did made it popular in their world.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 05/23/2019 @ 07:53am


This post is for K-Dawg, Casper, and Ben.

Here's an interesting list of the highest-certified metal - the real and current definition - bands in America and this also includes singles and video albums.

Metallica- 69.9 Million
Disturbed- 16.5 million
Black Sabbath- 15.150 Million
Judas Preist- 11.1 Million
Slipknot- 10.2 million
Tool- 9.3 Million
Megadeth- 7.950 million
Iron Maiden- 7.9 million
Pantera- 7.350 Million
Queensrÿche- 6 million
Five Finger Death Punch- 5.5 million
Avenged Sevenfold- 5 million

Black Sabbath and Metllica are in; Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Tool, Megadeth, and Pantera will get in when they get enough supporters; and Queensryche might be the most far-fetched.

Slipknot is only future eligible metal band on the list that have the most requirements to meet the Hall's criteria unlike Disturbed, FFDP, and maybe AX7 thanks to their unique image, live performance, and of course their musical styles. "Before I Forget" is an iconic, Grammy-winning song; and All Hope Is Gone and .5: The Gray Chapter were number one on the Billboard 200. Don't be surprised if their upcoming album, We Are Not Your Kind gets a big score.

Whaddya think?

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 05/23/2019 @ 09:53am


"It'll be a cold day in Hell when Tool is nominated" -AlexVoltaire

For those who care, he also posted level two of his tiers:https://northumbriancountdown.wordpress.com/2019/05/20/pyramid-schemes-tier-2/

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/23/2019 @ 12:24pm


@ Follower

Nearly all the members from Tool would show up at the ceremony once they make it at some point. I can’t picture Maynard James Keenan being there since he probably has the same negative viewpoint as the Grammys; he’s pretty much the least easy-going dude from the band.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 05/23/2019 @ 12:48pm


I know Cory Taylor is very respected within the industry.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 05/23/2019 @ 12:53pm


Whitney Houston was an oversight and meant to be on the 80s list above as an Inevitable Inductee. My bad.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 05/23/2019 @ 17:13pm


I don't have a bunch of statistics or stories to back me up, I just can go on my feelings for this one. I think that Judas Priest was very close last year. I would prefer that Iron Maiden got in first, but honestly something has to break this wall that has metal being denied. A large contingent of metal fans were enraged when Metallica released the Black Album, considering it a sellout, although I was not one of them. It probably hastened their induction into the RRHOF, along with their name, some old guard probably were thinking "oh look, we're covering our bases and inducting THE metal band". I get the feeling they were inducting the 1991 Metallica, not the 80s one that so many fans clamored for. That said, as we all know, there are 4 pillars of metal. The other 3 are considered to be Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax. Megadeth has only gotten a cursory look. I haven't really heard a word about Slayer or Anthrax. At some point, I think this will be addressed.

On the other fronts, I see Tool and Korn eventually getting nods into the HOF along with potentially System of the Down or Disturbed or some of the other nu metal that reenergized the hard rock scene briefly in the late 90s to mid 2000s. The first sign of this will be putting in Trent Reznor and NIN, which seems to have fizzled at this point. The grunge giants, of which 2 of the 5 are in at this point, eventually will get at least one other. It really is odd to see what the committee is doing with all its genres, and it is a ton convoluted. I'm a child of the 80s and 90s, so really I can only venture that the reason there is so much 50-60-70 music and not so much my own generations of music is because it's a lot of what the committee likes, but there are artists in there that really have not made half the impact that snubbed bands of the 80s have. I really think we will have to wait up to 15 years to see a lot of what Gen X grew up with get its due. Rap getting some acts inducted in recent years has been encouraging, but we just finally have started to get new wave, with the induction of the Cure. A huge chunk of the old voters are still trying to put in their pet projects of the 60s who are really beyond tertiary choices. Sorry if this seems a big ramble, it's just some of my thoughts for where the Hall and its voters stand. It really is hard to make this a neat essay in the small space they give us to write. All feedback is welcome and this is a great group of music fans!

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/24/2019 @ 03:50am


Casper,

There hasn't been hardly any Talk about Blood,Sweat & Tears. I think A case can be me made for Blood,Sweat & Tears for the 60s. They should be on your viable list. Child is the Father to the Man I understand to be a groundbreaking album with the great Al Kooper involved. He left and there was the Blood,Sweat and Tears self titled album in 1969. I don't value the Grammys much but it was Album of the Year for that year's Grammys. But besides that there was lots of hits for Blood,Sweat and Tears along with Hi DE Ho the following year 1970.

Hey the Zombies were just inducted based mostly on 3 Main hits. So Blood,Sweat & Tears can at least be Nominated. I am predicting them as a nominee for 2020.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/24/2019 @ 05:25am


K-Dawg
Good writeup. Where to start?! I'm going with Judas Priest on my Final ballot around September 20. I think they are plenty deserving. It was strange the Committee leaked out about Judas Priest's low vote total. They usually keep voting results close to the vest. I'll probably place Iron Maiden & Motley Crue on my 20 ballot to cover all bases.
I think Anthrax will have difficulty being inducted. They had some cool 80's image and some notoriety with the Bring The Noize rap collaboration. Among The Living would be my FAV album from them. I never saw Anthrax as great as Metallica and Megadeth in music quality or writing. Queensryche probably has a chance in 2024 or 2025. They have 2 excellent albums. One of the best concept albums Operation Mindcrime and Empire. I think Empire might be the best CD I've heard from Song 1 to the last. Maybe, ENIG has some love for Queensryche who has been progressive metal.
Ozzy Osbourne has a good chance as a solo induction maybe 2022. He should fly through after nomination. It's amazing how good The Ultimate Sin CD is from beginning to end. I think Tool has a better chance than some may think. They had both the critical acclaim and commercial success more than most bands of their generation.
I'd like to see Iron Maiden and/or Judas Priest inducted in late March/Early April 2020. That gets things moving for groups like Megadeth, Motley Crue, Ozzy (Solo), Queensryche etc. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 05/24/2019 @ 07:46am


I will be very surprised if Tool does not get inducted in next 20 years. They seem to check off alot of the things that the Hall seems to like in their inductees.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 05/24/2019 @ 08:43am


@ Paul

Seen them live once along with Staind and Godsmack. Lizzy should be an inductor for Pat Benatar, the Runaways, and maybe the Go-Go’s; I think she’s a great fit for those eligibles once they get in at some point.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 05/24/2019 @ 09:34am


Lizzy would be a great choice for those bands, Dude!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 05/24/2019 @ 12:28pm


K-Dawg, regarding Judas Priest, they performed HORRIBLY in the voting results for the one time they have been on the ballot (two years ago). We know this because a nominating committee member flat out said this was the case.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 05/24/2019 @ 12:42pm


I'm a child of the 80s and 90s, so really I can only venture that the reason there is so much 50-60-70 music and not so much my own generations of music is because it's a lot of what the committee likes, but there are artists in there that really have not made half the impact that snubbed bands of the 80s have. I really think we will have to wait up to 15 years to see a lot of what Gen X grew up with get its due. Rap getting some acts inducted in recent years has been encouraging, but we just finally have started to get new wave, with the induction of the Cure. A huge chunk of the old voters are still trying to put in their pet projects of the 60s who are really beyond tertiary choices. Sorry if this seems a big ramble, it's just some of my thoughts for where the Hall and its voters stand. It really is hard to make this a neat essay in the small space they give us to write. All feedback is welcome and this is a great group of music fans!

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05.24.19 @ 03:50am
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Same here, as an 80's/90's kid. Practically any of those bands could make the cut in 2020, provided they don't mind playing second fiddle to the Foo Fighters. This is one of the last 100% locks right off the bat, and most likely the Hall will want the Foo's to headline the show. I think Priest, Maiden, Tool, the grunge acts (AIC, Soundgarden, etc.), could all easily be a part of next years soiree. It's not a bad thing to surrender the headliner spot to an act like the Foo's either, so who knows - maybe one of them Will go in next year.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 05/24/2019 @ 21:08pm


My 2020 predictions

The Nominees
1. Blink - 182
2. Motley Crue
3. Jethro Tull
4. Notorious BIG
5. Judas Priest
6. Soundgarden
7. Weezer
8. Iron Maiden
9. Rage against the Machine
10.Whitney Houston
11.Chaka Khan
12.Depeche Mode
13.Oasis
14.Dick Dale
15.Duran Duran

The inductees
Motley crue
Soundgarden
Jethro Tull
Notorious BIG
Weezer
Judas Priest
Whitney Houston

Presenters
Jon Bon Jovi presenting Motley Crue
Eddie Vedder presenting Soundgarden
Steven Wilson presenting Jethro Tull
Eminem & Puff Daddy presenting Notorious BIG
Ric Ocaesk presenting Weezer
Dave Mustaine presenting Judas Priest
Brandy presenting Whitney Houston

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Saturday, 05/25/2019 @ 07:17am


Cheesecrop,

I checked out facts on Foo Fighters. You said that any of those bands like Korn can make the cut in 2020 as long as they don't mind playing second fiddle to Foo Fighters. Foo Fighters are not eligible until late 2020 for 2021. That may be what you meant.

The Foo's are Not eligible later this year for 2020. You Need to clarify. I don't fully qualify here. My intense Music knowledge covers 1965-1994. So I start of course with bands like Rolling Stones, The Who,Yardbirds and the Doors,etc and extend up thru some 90s bands like Pearl Jam,Stone Temple Pilots and even Korn. I don't know Korn very well. I think I know some tune called Blind. I get weaker with Major 90s bands. I do know Def Leppard, Van Halen and Twisted Sister,etc a lot more from the 80s as far as Heavier Rock. Please clarify about the Foo's. They are NOT eligible for the 2020 ceremony in April 2020. And so my 90s predictions can remain the same.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/25/2019 @ 07:20am


Ben, the Foos are 1st ballot locks when they become eligible.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 05/25/2019 @ 10:20am


This post is for K-Dawg

Since ya mentioned Korn, I wanna give ya an interesting fact about them: They’re actually not metal despite being tagged as “nu metal” but close. Korn is a heavy funk rock band. Reginald Arvizu (bass) once stated their musical history started with funk based rock bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Primus, Rage Against the Machine and the early Faith No More.

Here’s what Jonathan Davis (vocals) said about their musical styles:

"Yeah, we're heavy and downtuned, but metal, to me, is like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden, that's metal man. I always thought of us as a funk band."

Also “nu metal” is mostly just a marketing/umbrella term as a reference to certain rock, metal, hardcore and alternative bands who were new to the masses during the slow decline of grunge and the aftermath (hence the phrase). The term is kinda meaningless for the most part with a few exceptions.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 05/25/2019 @ 11:25am


The Dude,

Thanks for the references. One thing that I consider about the metal that came out, which Korn I'm blanketing in for the sake of my taste of this style of music as stuff that rocks and you can work out or release rage from...Korn, Linkin Park, System, Papa Roach and more ;P

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/25/2019 @ 14:30pm


The rest of 90s bands like Weezer, Blink-182, RATM, Soundgarden, Alice in chains, Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins,and others should deserve an honor for their sound, talent, quality, influence and songwriting. Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Slayer, Megadeth, and others deserved to be in as the hall undeniably needs more metal. Classic bands/artists like Doobie Brothers, Jethro Tull, Devo, Todd Rundgren, King Crimson, Lenny Kravitz, and others should be in before they nominate 21st century bands/artists. There's a voice your choice kiosk on who would you like to see getting nominated by voting.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Monday, 05/27/2019 @ 08:49am


Still, I find this Fan Vote kiosk at the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame somewhat unsettling. For example, since many of us have never been to Cleveland, nor probably will go to Cleveland, I think that a better solution would be to offer an on-line kiosk at the Rock Hall website. You get to log in once per day, just as you do when voting for the Rock Hall Nominees who you wish to see inducted.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05/27/2019 @ 12:23pm


@ Enig

Yeah, I actually thought of that a while ago before you’ve posted your comment here. I’d vote for one of my snubs once per day.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 05/27/2019 @ 13:09pm


It's definitely not perfect. The persistent presence of solo Freddie Mercury on the list at all, let alone in the top ten, speaks volumes to the public's ignorance and fickleness.

Still, making it an online vote would only serve to amplify those two issues, although it would potentially negate the Americentric bias. Ignorance and fickleness on steroids, though. Think about that. Look at what happens when we get swarms on this forum. Now imagine that on the Rock Hall site. We've had swarms for NSYNC (not eligible yet), New Kids On The Block, Steve Perry (solo), the swarm for Coven was so bad our beloved admin had to bury the thread in seclusion, and let's not forget the fairly recent one for David Cassidy. I'm sorry, but that's a batch of artists that have little to no business being in the Hall. If their swarms really want those acts in so badly, they can pay for a ticket for the right to wait in line to flood the kiosk at the museum.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 05/27/2019 @ 13:20pm


@ Philip

Y’know, I’ve always wondered why some of you guys here have some problems with Coven. Yeah, Tony from Black Sabbath still have no idea who those guys were; but they were the first “Occult rock” band. I’ve noticed a lot of black metal bands like Venom and even the second wave key players from Norway are fans of Coven (Mayhem, Immortal, Emperor, etc.). And it’s also obvious Ghost cited them as one of their influences.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 05/27/2019 @ 13:41pm


I get that the RRHOF is an international venue, as it should be, but if we can't even get some of the more basic American metal bands in, we are a long way off from the likes of international greats like Mastodon, the immortal Sepultura, et al. And secondly, the goof troop that is the voters committee can't even put in the godfathers of techno, Kraftwerk, in when they should've been in 10 years ago, for the only reason I can think of that they don't come from North America or across the pond on the Isles. The fact that most of the bands are American or British in the RRHOF is another thing that needs to be addressed but probably never will ;/

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 05/27/2019 @ 14:02pm


Will N.,

It's Now back to Rock. I read somewhere that you feel T. Rex, Pat Benatar and the Eurythmics are snubbed acts that should be nominated. You realized the mistake with Eurythmics already nominated. But you made another mistake with the year. They were nominated in late 2017. You have realized all this. I do agree with Eurythmics being nominated again. New wave seems to be a new thing for the Hall to push.

I do NOT know Joy Division/New Order too much. I never followed New Wave much.I was into a lot of Traditional Rock and some Heavy Metal at the time of the 80s. I know T Rex and Pat Benatar real Well. Eurythmics to a lesser degree.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/28/2019 @ 06:29am


My other predictions:

1.Kraftwerk
2.Motorhead
3.Bauhaus
4.King Crimson
5 Beck
6.LL Cool J
7.Nine inch Nails
8.Lenny Kravitz
9.Wu-Tang Clan
10.John Cale
11.Ronnie James Dio
12.Sheryl Crow
13 Shania Twain
14.Toto
15.Boston

Induction class:
Beck
Lenny Kravitz
Kraftwerk
Motorhead
King Crimson
Sheryl Crow
Wu-Tang Clan

Musical excellence
The Monkees

Early influence
Big Mama Thornton

Presenters:
Dave Grohl presenting Motorhead
Jack White presenting Beck
Slash presenting Lenny Kravitz
Gary Numan presenting Kraftwerk
Grace Potter presenting Sheryl Crow
Trevor Rabin presenting King Crimson
Jay-Z presenting Wu-Tang Clan
Ringo Starr presenting The Monkees
Gary Clark Jr. presenting Big Mama Thornton

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 05/29/2019 @ 14:48pm


Looking at FRL’s list of snubs who were nominated once on Twitter, I’ll weigh each one of them much as I could.

John Prine: Not an easy guy to induct, but I see him get nominated again for being a humble cat about the Zombies.

Devo: They’ll get in after Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, INXS, B-52’s and Eurythmics. The votes aren’t there yet.

Todd Rundgren: I think he has a good shot of getting nominated and might get in for the next class. He’s too respectful to be ignore.

Kate Bush: With Janet Jackson and and for the second time Stevie Nicks now in, I think is Hall is mostly playing to bring in more universal female names much as they could, making Kate a far-fetched.

Eurythmics: See Devo

Judas Priest: They’ll get in after Motley Crue, Foreigner, Boston and Bad Company. The votes aren’t there yet unless if they become the number one nominee on the online fan vote ballot.

Jane's Addiction: They’ll probably get in after Rage Against the Machine, NIN, Foo Fighters and maybe Soundgarden, Dave Matthews Band and Beck.

Bad Brains: Not an easy band to induct since hardcore was mostly design to be an obscure genre - not mainstream.

Steppenwolf: The Zombies probably had the most votes from the voting body last year, so It could happen to them too.

The J.B.'s: They could get enough votes to get in since there are a lot of blues based rock bands in the Hall, and some of inducted members who play funk/funk rock could easily vote for them too.

Los Lobos: Not an easy to band to induct cause they play completely different styles of rock and even country music most of the general public are not familiar with.

Sting: Like Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Planet and Phil Collins, Sting is possibly one of the biggest wild cards that could happen that some point.

Replacements: Once they’re out of new wave bands, the Nom Com could get on with the next form of 80’s alternative.

Procol Harum: They’ll get in after Jethro Tull and ELP, since the votes aren’t there vote unless they if get the most vote from the voting body like it probably happen to the zombies.

Eric B. & Rakim: At this point, the Hall wants to induct Biggie, Jay and Em in the next three years; the Duo might have to wait a little longer.

Afrika Bambaata: He would have to be the most problematic one on the list, since I’ve heard he was accused of being pedophile, which I’m not a hundred percent sure about that.

Sir Douglas Quintet: See Stepphenwolf and Procol Harum.

Conway Twitty: Probably on a Link Wray-like situation with the Rock Hall.

Steve Winwood: See Sting.

New York Dolls: With Roxy Music now in, another nomination could happen to the Dolls. Even if they’re a long-shot they would do better at getting more votes than MC5 thanks to their glams characteristics.

The Dominoes: See the J.B.’s.

Carole King: She should be a two-timer, but it sadly seems like the Hall is trying to move away anything before the British Invasion and Psychedelic movements.

Whaddya think?

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/29/2019 @ 14:56pm


On second thought, I still like this list the best; in fact, I almost “love” it. :

If I were to speculate on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Doobie Brothers
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. The Spinners
11. The Monkees
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Iron Maiden
14. Twisted Sister
15. Depeche Mode
16. Eurythmics
17. Rage Against The Machine
18. OutKast
19. Pat Benatar
20. Beck
21. Soundgarden

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 05/30/2019 @ 14:20pm


@ Enig

Expect this year's nominees to look like this.

Cher
Motley Crue
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
Duran Duran
B-52’s
Jethro Tull
John Prine
New York Dolls
Notorious BIG
War
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
Todd Rundgren
Beck
Nine Inch Nails

Who would win the ballot?

Cher
Motley Crue
Rage Against The Machine
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Notorious BIG
Soundgarden (If room for seven)
Todd Rundgren (If room for eight)
Dionne Warrick (If room for nine)
NIN (If room for ten)

A band I’d love to see them get a nomination this year as a wishful thinking but won’t happen: Korn

It's also possible they tweak it a bit by giving a spin with another 70's glam rock band like T.Rex or Mott The Hoople rather than the Dolls. My prediction is mostly based on the recent nominees and the winners who made it from the last two years.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 05/30/2019 @ 14:44pm


Hey Dude,

I am getting around to responding to your post from yesterday. Its a cool text. I agree with most of your comments on the artists. Just a few different opinions I have. Devo may never get enough votes. At least the way the Voting body is. There are not enough New Wave enthusiasts and acts to Vote. I agree with what you say on Sting,Replacements,Eric B and Rakim and many others.

I disagree with Procol Harum. They got ruined by that Singles induction. That stupid feature ruins Performer inductions.

The one I disagree with the most is Carole King in a good way. I was a kid in the actual early 70s. Carole King was talked about a lot. Tapestry was a very huge album in 1971. I heard Its Too Late and other Carole King hits when I was about 6-7 years Old. I am a bit older than you. I am Not sure if thats why. I was born in 1965 and started listening to hits around 1971,72. You said they are trying to move away from anything before British Invasion,etc. Ahh but Carole King came back in 1971 with the Tapestry album. That came out when I was little. I was Not around for her earlier career of the early 60s. So she can be a two-timer. I had her on my list for 2020. But for a different reason I am removing her. I think your pick of Dionne Warwick will happen in re[place of her. I dig that pick of Dionne Warwick You are on to something there.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/30/2019 @ 20:37pm


@ Ben

Thanks for the replay, and I really appreciate your disagreement regarding on Carole King. I know she was used to be everywhere back in the early 60’s before she was pushed aside by the British Invasion movement, but I didn’t know she had a revival in popularity. That actually brings some hope for her to get in.

As for Procol Harum, Little Steven stated that the inducted songs on the Singles category does not mean their creators have no chance of getting in. He is still trying to push for them along with Link Wray, and the Hall now has a great track record of 60’s and 70’s prog rock. Ever since Steve shot himself in the foot during the most recent ceremony by adding a song by an act that is already in Hall, that made me hate the Singles category completely. It really needs to be crush like a bug.

Let’s see If I could weigh in on the snubs who were nominated twice later.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 00:40am


*reply

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 00:45am


Let’s go back ~ 2 1/2 years, shall we? I miss ogam5 by the way, don’t you?

Who do I think will be inducted?

1. Yes- Due to the fact that this is their third nomination and apparently until Yes is inducted, neither The Moody Blues, nor King Crimson, nor ELP, etc. will even be nominated. Plus the members of Rush and their "Voices For Yes" induction campaign have been pushing for Yes for years. Yes is a symphonic "progressive rock" band and extremely similar to Rush, whereas "Electric Light Orchestra" is crossover PROG.

2. Electric Light Orchestra- This is proof that there is enough variety within the world of PROG to offer more than one choice. Please keep in mind that when Rush had been inducted in 2013, Procol Harum had also been nominated. However Procol Harum and Rush may have been considered to be too similar to each other. Jeff Lynne is well respected within the rock world, as a producer, as well. An induction for Electric Light Orchestra could lead to a nomination for Duran Duran, as well.

3. Journey- Apparently Journey had won the fan vote and
that may be enough impetus for them to get in. However, their high card may also be their connection to Santana. I do agree that an induction of Journey will lead to a nomination for Foreigner.

4. Pearl Jam- the obvious choice. I do not need to elaborate on this one. Do I?

5. Joan Baez- She's a well respected singer/songwriter and she will open up the door for Carly Simon, Carole King, etc.

6. The Cars- The Hall wants another classic rock group in and The Cars meet the criteria that the Hall has deemed favorable. Plus, an induction of The Cars may help Duran
Duran receive a nomination.

7. The Zombies- influential '60's British Invasion act, even nearly fifty years later, 'Time Of The Season' and 'She's Not There' are still played on the radio. Plus, an induction of The Zombies may lead to another nomination for Procol Harum.

If there is an eighth inductee:

8. Chic- in order to receive eleven nominations, indicates that
someone definitely wants to have Chic inducted, another possibility might be Chaka Khan.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.17.16 @ 16:02pm

Although neither The Zombies, nor The Cars had been inducted in 2017, I still had 80% of the inductees correct.

Last year, I had correctly predicted that Roxy Music, The Cure, The Zombies, Def Leppard and Stevie Nicks would be inducted, although I had incorrectly chosen John Prine as the possible sixth inductee. My mistake had been thinking that there would be only 6 and not 7 inductees.

So, what does this mean exactly? Although, I have not done that well with the Nominating Committee’s ballot, I have still managed to predict most of the inductees, except for 2014 and 2015, which were abysmal years for Induction Ceremonies in my honest opinion.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 03:41am


ENIG
Great read ENIG your last post. I'd like to add a few other things.
1. Inevitability Quotient. Billy, Joel, Bruce, Chili Peppers, John Mellencamp, Metallica, REM, Sabbath, Seger,U2 etc were inducted. I think those groups ELO, Moody Blues, YES and other PROG and PROG ADJACENT groups just moved closer to induction. The next in line kind of thing. Don't think it was anything magical. The Groups were the next deserving to be inducted.
2. Proliferation of Social Media And Websites. This has helped several bands in recent years. In years past, RRHOF received letters and probably met a few enthusiastic people. Facebook, Twitter, Websites and other media was a game-changer for deserving RRHOF bands. Online petitions with thousands of signatures and other inventive types putting out their snubs...Eventually the RRHOF had to listen. I think even sites like FRL gives a forum for those talking about their FAV bands and deserving of induction.
3. Committee Additions. Grohl and Morello have been helpful in getting some heavy metal bands and other snubbed bands onto the ballot. Questlove has also been a key addition in recent years. There's also been more women added to the Committee. They coalesced around Stevie Nicks last year. She was nomimated quickly and inducted.
4. New Voters. You have said it before ENIG. PROG votes for PROG artists helping them get inducted. In turn, these new PROG inductees will help future PROG nominees receive induction. Also, recent Inductees like Radiohead, Roxy Music, The Cars and The Cure might be enough to get Depeche Mode and Kraftwerk inducted.
Obviously, it is impossible to predict the ballot 100% or earn a perfect paper. I was able to hit on some of my longer shots Los Lobos, Peter Gabriel, over the years. However, I have also choked a few times. I think I took Chicago off my Final official ballot but indeed Chicago was on the slate. Also inducted. ELO, I admit I whiffed on completely. There will be a few I miss this year 2019-2020. Duran Duran could be that band this cycle. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 05:01am


Hey Dude,

I was glad to be of help with Carole King. Yes I am old enough to remember the huge success of Tapestry. It was #1 for 15 consecutive weeks. I was only 6 years old. It's Too Late and I Feel the Earth were both #1 Hits. I was only 6 when Tapestry was huge. So I was Not following album charts at all. But I heard the her hits during 1971 and 72 in Camp. She had this separate career as a singer/songwriter along with James Taylor. I am Not the world's biggest Carole King fan. I found those same songs a bit boring after a few more years.

Tapestry was huge and is rather high on one of those Rolling Stone lists. It was on the charts a long time but her other 70s albums were Not as big. Tapestry as huge as it was faded away by the late 70s. She was a big part of the singer/songwriter movement but she is known mainly in her solo career for Tapestry. An album called Music was the followup on late 1971. Tapestry was the big one. I prefer James Taylor and Dan Fogelberg in terms of my tastes.

I got immersed in Eric Clapton, Steely Dan, Pink Floyd,Jeff Beck, the 1000 other Rock acts.etc so I didn't take the time for Carole King but I know her 70s success.Now then I like your pick of Dionne Warwick. You seem know a thing or 2 about her. Dionne Warwick made a nice debut in 1964. She had huge hits like Say A Little Prayer. Since Carole King and Dionne are both Mellow female singers there is Now way I expect both SO I go with Dionne Warwick. You have brought that name along.

Now as far as Procol Harum I may rethink them but Not for 2020. Little Steven certainly shot himself in the foot during this year's ceremony by adding a song by the Isley Brothers,already in the Hall. I didn't like that singles category as it is. That's why I didn't predict the singles until just a few days before the Ceremony happened. They really need to terminate this category. In any case perhaps Procol Harum can be nominated after all.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 06:20am


Going back 4.5 years or so, I had written this:

Perhaps being inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame only once is not enough. Now, in order to truly be recognized, you need to be inducted at least twice. The new "black," or so to speak is to join the so-called "Clyde McPhatter's club."

That may be why, the late Lou Reed and Sting are up for nominations for their solo careers. One may argue that Sting's solo career was more "jazz oriented," but that may not seem to matter.

I happen to own quite a few of Sting's solo albums.

Now, could Stevie Nicks be the next artist on the list to join this exclusive club?


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 10:27am


Wow, today is already the last day of May. Tomorrow is June 1, 2019. Three weeks from today, I will celebrate the 20th anniversary of my first day at my present position. On September 3, 2019, it will mark the official 20th anniversary. Also on September 12, it will officially mark my 30th anniversary of my E.A.O.S. On October 13, it will mark 31 years since my last official vacation. Although one can argue that if you do not consider a 1 1/2 day safari in Kenya a vacation, then my last official vacation was 3 rain drenched days in Tokyo, Japan over 32 years ago. If you do not consider those 3 rain drenched days a vacation, then my last vacation had actually been my trip to Denver, Colorado with my mother and sister, almost 45 years ago.

The point of my previous paragraph is about longevity. By the way, my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of Leon Redbone on his passing at the relatively young age of 69. 😓

Leon Redbone had been a rather anachronistic figure and had been a self-taught musician. All Music Guide had given five of his recordings (“On The Track,” (1975), “Double Time,” (1977) “Takin’ My Time” (1977), “Champagne Charlie” (1978) and “Leon Redbone Live” (1985)) four and a half stars.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 10:59am


I'm not often one to do this, but I will offer my way-too-early-to-tell nominees list for 2019/20:

1. Jethro Tull
2. Depeche Mode
3. The Spinners
4. Kraftwerk
5. Bad Company
6. Whitney Houston
7. Pat Benatar
8. The Monkees
9. Kate Bush
10. Alice in Chains
11. Duran Duran
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Rage Against the Machine
14. Beck
15. Foreigner
16. The Eurythmics

This is very much subject to change. I believe that they will skip a year or two of hip hop, although a Snoop, Outkast, or Biggie nom would not surprise me.

Two takeaways, apart from the obvious Jethro Tull/Kraftwerk are criminally underrecognized point

One, now that the Cure is in, expect a full-blown push for New Wave, as it finally has come time to recognize their significance, and without New Wave, you don't have any of the rock music that was shaped in the 90s. So the 2 "D" bands (Depeche and Duran Duran) very well may go in together, or one this and one next voting cycle. Kate Bush, the Eurythmics, even Midnight Oil had crossed my mind as getting nominated this time. I think it will take over as the hall's obsession du jour

Secondly, I mentioned NIN will get an nomination this year after a brief absence; I expect they will get inducted this time, as they are the real pioneer behind the "nu metal", whatever you want to call it, they were the first real Internet rock superstar.

And, expect Whitney to get the pop slot, if not Tina Turner or Cher even, but if Janet went in last year, it'd be great to see Whitney get her due, it's been almost 7 years since she left us, and her voice WAS the 80s.

Kraftwerk and Jethro Tull are my slam dunks at this point. I have some others in mind, but I'll keep them close to the vest.

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 12:57pm


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6uTQsyEs26E

“Now then I like your pick of Dionne Warwick. You seem know a thing or 2 about her. Dionne Warwick made a nice debut in 1964. She had huge hits like Say A Little Prayer. Since Carole King and Dionne are both Mellow female singers there is Now way I expect both SO I go with Dionne Warwick. You have brought that name along.”

- Ben

While the genres I listen to regularly the most are rock, alternative, metal, punk, new wave, grunge, prog, experimental and industrial; but Dionne is one of those names in R&B I’m very familiar with and she’s - in my opinion - one of them who have the best chance of getting inducted into the Hall from her background along with War, Chaka Khan, and of course Lionel Richie.

If Dionne makes it, either Elton John or Stevie Wonder should be an inductor for her. Both of them did collaborated with her on “That's What Friends Are For,” making those guys a perfect fit.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 12:59pm


*I neglected to include the likely fan furor candidate that completes the hair band trilogy, Motley Crue. Added them

I'm not often one to do this, but I will offer my way-too-early-to-tell nominees list for 2019/20:

1. Jethro Tull
2. Depeche Mode
3. The Spinners
4. Kraftwerk
5. Bad Company
6. Whitney Houston
7. Pat Benatar
8. The Monkees
9. Kate Bush
10. Alice in Chains
11. Duran Duran
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Rage Against the Machine
14. Beck
15. Foreigner
16. The Eurythmics
17. Motley Crue

This is very much subject to change. I believe that they will skip a year or two of hip hop, although a Snoop, Outkast, or Biggie nom would not surprise me.

Two takeaways, apart from the obvious Jethro Tull/Kraftwerk are criminally underrecognized point

One, now that the Cure is in, expect a full-blown push for New Wave, as it finally has come time to recognize their significance, and without New Wave, you don't have any of the rock music that was shaped in the 90s. So the 2 "D" bands (Depeche and Duran Duran) very well may go in together, or one this and one next voting cycle. Kate Bush, the Eurythmics, even Midnight Oil had crossed my mind as getting nominated this time. I think it will take over as the hall's obsession du jour

Secondly, I mentioned NIN will get an nomination this year after a brief absence; I expect they will get inducted this time, as they are the real pioneer behind the "nu metal", whatever you want to call it, they were the first real Internet rock superstar.

And, expect Whitney to get the pop slot, if not Tina Turner or Cher even, but if Janet went in last year, it'd be great to see Whitney get her due, it's been almost 7 years since she left us, and her voice WAS the 80s.

Kraftwerk and Jethro Tull are my slam dunks at this point. I have some others in mind, but I'll keep them close to the vest.

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 13:06pm


K-DAWG
Like seeing your Early Nominees List. Alice In Chains definitely on my 20 list. RRHOF Committee made a mistake a few years ago. Chris Cornell after his death was mourned and praised by fellow musicians and music fans alike. It was an avalanche of love and praise. The smart move was nominating Soundgarden. I think they would have had a decent chance at Induction. Instead, they did a small tribute to him. AIC has surpassed Soundgarden now.
You have me thinking about Whitney Houston. I say that because Clive Davis is 86 or 87 years old now. He's very respected and revered in music and built a strong relationship with Whitney. Mr. Davis might want Whitney inducted while he's alive. He would also be an ideal presenter for Whitney if she's inducted.
Depeche Mode, I think should be nominated and inducted this cycle 2019-2020. They check off most boxes twice. Amazing Hit Songs, Influence, Innovation, Longevity, Musical Excellence. They also were dominant in the 2019 Snub Tournament. It should be Depeche Mode's time.
I have Duran Duran and Pat Benatar penciled in for 2020-2021. However, I would not be surprised if 1 or both were nominated this year. My guess the Nom Com will try to nominate Tina Turner as a possible 2x Inductee or Chaka Khan 1 of the Committees FAVS.
Foreigner is intriguing. I have Bad Company, Procol Harum, and T. Rex representing 70's Rock right now. However, by my Final September 20 list...Things could change. I give your 16 an A grade. Very impressive!
KING 👑

Posted by KING on Friday, 05/31/2019 @ 13:23pm


I have not heard Robert Smith sing in a long time; wow I was impressed with his voice. My fave Cure song was "Charlotte Sometimes;" the video was played on MTV.

Posted by rs on Saturday, 06/1/2019 @ 03:29am


K-Dawg

I also like seeing your early nominees list. Its a decent pick with Whitney Houston. She is Pure Pop essentially but if Janet Jackson can be Inducted this year Why not Whitney. 2 Obvious snubbed acts are Jethro Tull and Kraftwerk. I am Not a Fan at all of Electronic music but even I notice that Kraftwerk are Nominated a lot. I am picking Kraftwerk as the Electronic nominee.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 06/1/2019 @ 11:10am


Now I’m gonna weigh in on the snubs who were nominated twice.

Johnny Ace: Most of the current voting body actually do love R&B from the pre rock era through the 70’s. And I could picture Seymour Stein pushing for him. If I’m not mistaken, he did mention Johnny on Who Cares About The Rock Hall.

The Chantels: Not an easy group induct cause they were a doo wop group. Not sure if the Hall has a decent track record of the genre, but I could be wrong and what’s really hurt their chances of getting in is they’re not appealing to the current voters even if the Hall decided to do an all female theme at some point. They’re situation is more to do with musical taste differences than race and gender imo.

Mary Wells: Her chances isn’t high as Johnny Ace’s but not low as the Chantels’ cause she wasn’t too much of a one-trick pony when it comes to doing more than one or a handful of genres musically. It’s also possible the late Nina Simone could open doors for her other than Dionne Warwick.

Link Wray: Little Steven is still pushing for him despite the fact “Rumble” is on the Singles category. I’m pretty sure Steve and the rest of the Nom Com are putting him on a hold for a while unless if (and I mean a big IF) they get enough distortion based rock bands. I find it hypocritical all the guys who run the Hall said they’re all about diversity in race but won’t induct anyone that is/was Native American.

Chaka Khan: Since they’re aren’t many funk lovers in the Hall, they need to induct some more funk based rock bands to get her in like Primus, Faith No More and even Korn.

Depeche Mode: They’ll get in after Duran Duran. The reason they’re not in yet cause not all New Wave bands are based on rock music. Some were more based on pop music, and the Mode is one of those guys along with Tears For Fears. I guess there aren’t many New Wave bands at the Hall - at least at this point - cause most of them lack the reliance of the blues, which is what most people are still familiar with when it comes to rock music even if you’re a purist with strong outspoken opinions when it comes to authenticity.

Nine Inch Nails: Since Trent Reznor inducted the Cure, another nomination could happen, but I’m not sure the votes are there yet. I’m gonna pull an Enig on this. According to Prog Archives, NIN is considered as a “Crossover Prog” band other than industrial and alternative rock, so it’s possible members from Rush, Pink Floyd, Yes and many other could support them for that. You also have members from the Cars, the Cure, Blondie, U2, and the Pretenders who have the potential to vote for them cause you could easily hear elements of new wave, gothic rock, 80’s alternative here and there; they’re the most 80’s based 90’s band imo. And finally, you have the band’s peers (Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam, etc).

Rage Against the Machine: I think they’ll get in next year not only because Tom Morello is on the Nom Com, but also the upcoming presidential campaign. Once they’re at ceremony, they’re gonna take some shots at Trump. Hell, they even correctly predicted - or “warned” everybody - that he would make it into the White House if y’all seen the music video of “Sleep Now in the Fire.” It’s also possible they would also call out Biden if he wins the Democratic primarily race. I think their ideologies are more similar to Sanders imo, but that’s enough politics for now lol.

Esther Phillips: See Mary Wells

The Marvelettes: See the Chantels.

The Smiths: They’ll get in once the Hall is out of New Wave bands to induct. But the only problem is: If they make it like let’s say next year, Morrissey wouldn’t show up cause he’s an asshole who pisses everybody off. It’s really sad and disheartening cause the Smiths is one of those bands that should get back together, especially on tour but won’t give WHAT THE FANS WANT.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 06/1/2019 @ 12:45pm


https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/186346/wfox-95-9-the-fox-stamford-norwalk-ct-rebrands-as-

Interestingly found another classic station that is not only very friendly to the 90's but also the 2000's. Once the Hall is out a certain amount of 60's and 70's bands to induct you hear on the radio normally in the next few years or so, It's possible more classic rock stations will stop playing music from that era. As sad as it sounds, but that's the radio business for ya. As the demographics changes overtime, the stations changes with different formats for better or worse.

"CONNOISSEUR MEDIA Classic Rock WFOX (95.9 THE FOX)/STAMFORD-NORWALK, CT has adjusted its format and rebranded as “FAIRFIELD COUNTY Rocks,” focusing on the "biggest rock bands of the late 80s, 90s and 00s." The station will focus on core artists like PEARL JAM, GUNS N ROSES, NIRVANA, DEF LEPPARD, RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS, SUBLIME, ALICE IN CHAINS, SOUNDGARDEN, MOTLEY CRUE, LINKIN PARK and more."

“The STAMFORD/NORWALK market, even with the bleed in of NEW YORK CITY radio, is completely underserved with the next generation of classic rock,” commented PD KEVIN BEGLEY, “The new version of 95.9 THE FOX will supply that demand for those huge rock hits of the last 30 years”.

"ALLAN LAMBERTI, CARI EDWARDS and KEITH DAKIN will continue to hold down their current shifts in mornings, middays and afternoons, respectively."

“It was time for 95.9 THE FOX to say goodbye to the 60s and 70s and really embrace a great collection of rock music of the last few decades," said OM KEITH DAKIN. “Beyond just the music, we will continue to do what we do best which is to be at every major community and charity event in STAMFORD/NORWALK as well as provide news and information when needed."

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 06/3/2019 @ 00:39am


Hey Dude,

I like reading your posts. I am here to comment on your snubs nominated twice. I will break it down.
Your 6 nominees of the 50's-60s. I would have discard all of them due to the fact the era is so Old but NO I won't. Nina Simone was even inducted. The Chantels and Link Wray have very little chance due to the foolish Singles Category. If they terminate this category then perhaps. I think the damage has been done for these 2. Johnny Ace, Mary Wells,Esther Phillips and The Marvelettes still have a decent chance for nomination.I am predicting the Marvelettes for the 2020 ballot.

You are the first person I have ever known to connect Chaka Khan to Primus,Faith No More and Korn.I would doubt really that those band members would Vote for Chaka as a solo performer. Chaka K even delved into adult contemporary But you have a point if change that to Rufus.Rufus was a funk band ft. Chaka Khan.

I dislike Electronic music altogether. I can nonetheless see Depeche Mode nominated Again at some point but right Now Kraftwerk is more likely. There you go despite my dislike for electronic I am bringing Kraftwerk to the table for 2020. But if Kraftwerk is nominated then NOT Depeche Mode.I would NOT expect 2 electro acts. Kraftwerk have nominated quite a bit. More than twice maybe.

Nine Inch Nails have a decent chance. Trent Reznor inducted the Cure. This paves the way for another nomination, but I'm not sure this will happen in 2020. I think other 90s picks will be nominated instead.

I am predicting Rage Against the Machine and the Smiths. I agree with the politics RAT Machine. I disagree with you on the Smiths. Generally speaking the Smith are logical as a New Wave pick in 2020. I am predicting 2 in this genre for 2020. They are Eurythmics and the Smiths. There is nothing new about singers Not showing up. It didn't stop other acts from being inducted.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/3/2019 @ 06:07am


@ Ben

Yep, it's true not all of our favorite singers showed up at the ceremonies (which I know that). Guys like David Bowie, Axl Rose, Jerry Garcia, and even Paul McCartney when he and the rest of Beatles were inducted at first year weren't there; I just wouldn't be surprised if Morrissey refused to go once the Smiths joins the ranks at some point. But It's doubtful they would get in sooner than what I'm expecting, since they were mostly influenced by bands from the British Invasion era, so the inductions of the Zombies and the Moody Blues could make a big difference for them other than their inducted peers and fans.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 06/3/2019 @ 13:55pm


Dude,

Exactly. Thats right. I was going mention examples but I figured you would. Just one minor correction. Paul McCartney did Not show up when he and the rest of the Beatles were inducted in the third year. The Beatles were inducted in 1988. However, that was the first one we probably care about. The first year was 1986. It was a 50s fest. Billy Haley, Chuck Berry, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis all those. But in 1988 The Hall brought things into the 1960s with the Beatles. Staying focused Paul did Not show. Only George H and Ringo were there.

A few others that didn't show up. Rod Stewart couldnt show up in 1994 due to an Earthquake I recall. I seem to recall that Roger Waters did NOT show up for the Pink Floyd Induction. A bunch of Van Halen did show up in 2007. Others that didnt show up are Linda Ronstadt, Peter Cetera and Marc Knopfler.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/4/2019 @ 08:06am


Dude,

I will make a Correction. A bunch of Van Halen did NOT show up in 2007. Others that didn’t Show up are Linda Ronstadt, Peter Cetera and Marc Knopfler. With Peter Cetera there is the 30 plus Year grudge with Chicago .

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/4/2019 @ 13:51pm


Thanks for the correction on the Beatles, Ben. While I know the first two ceremonies were a 50’s Fest, but I’ve always thought the Fab Four got in right off the bat like it said on the First Ballot Hall of Famers page here - and it also sounded good enough to say that lol - until you posted your recent comments.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 06/4/2019 @ 14:49pm


Dude,

I am here to help with corrections if needed. But 1988 Ceremony is as early as our Music interests go I would say. It's the earliest class I know by heart. Both 1986 and 87 were 50s fests. I can't all the ones who went in those. But I know 1986 had Elvis Presley,Chuck Berry and Jerry Lewis. Now 1988 is the earliest of interest to me. I have a severe weakness with 50s. It's my Dad's time still.

My music starts firmly in the 60s. As a flashback I tell you that the 1988 Ceremony had The Beatles,Beach Boys,The Drifters,Bob Dylan and the Supremes. Those are Old enough in 2019.I own a lot from those artists. and so it is that in 1988 I first heard of the Rock n'Roll Hall of Fame because of the Beatles. I am also a big fan of Bob Dylan and also the Supremes to a lesser extent.

In the following year,1989 the Rolling Stones were inducted. I believe all the Stones showed up. I'm Not positive I am pretty sure. And in 1990 my favorite band of all time,the Who were inducted. I think all of them showed up. Certainly the 3 Originals alive,Pete,Roger and John E. showed up. A few years down the line I don't think Van Morrison showed up for induction at the 1993 Ceremony. Just to make a joke. Jim Morrison did Not show up with the Doors. He was taken up with Death for over 20 years. Ha. That's that. Until Next time

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/5/2019 @ 06:20am


Ben:

Regarding Linda Ronstadt: To be fair, the reason she didn't show was that she was (and unfortunately is) suffering from Parkinson's disease. I understand she is no longer able to travel.

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 06/5/2019 @ 15:20pm


Ben:

Regarding Linda Ronstadt: To be fair, the reason she didn't show was that she was (and unfortunately is) suffering from Parkinson's disease. I understand she is no longer able to travel.

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 06/5/2019 @ 15:20pm


Joe,

Regarding Linda Ronstadt: I was aware that she was suffering from Parkinson's Disease. I even know that she was suddenly nominated to try to induct her while she is Alive.

But I heard that in an Interview in 2014 she had complete lack of interest in the Hall and goofed on it. She stated I thought that she had no desire to show. She did say that but I may have confused things.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/6/2019 @ 05:17am


http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/jethro-tull-book-to-include-new-recordings/

This post is for Enig and the rest of the Progheads who go to this site regularly.

JETHRO TULL Book To Include New Recordings

Hopefully, this will help them get a nomination from the Hall.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 06/6/2019 @ 12:09pm


Dude,

I am Not a Prog head like Enig but Some Prog is Part of my Music. I love Jethro Tull. I own a lot of albums of theirs. Since there is to be a Jethro Tull book to include New Recordings I would Say this. raises their Chances for Nomination.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/6/2019 @ 18:53pm


I don't think there's any doubt Jethro Tull is on the very cusp of being nominated, and likely enshrined. They are easily probably the biggest omission of the prog acts, and innovative classic rock overall, from that late 60s-early 70s period. Especially since the Moody Blues got in a couple years ago. I wasn't pleased with the entirety of the 2019 class, but I understand why each nominee got in, and it does open the door for more deserving acts.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 06/6/2019 @ 20:09pm


I don't see Jethro Tull being nominated in 2019. My guess they (The Committee) will go with Procol Harum. The brilliance of Procol Harum has stood the test of time plus they have 2 or 3 strong advocates. There's also plenty of worthy 70's bands that could be nominated instead of Jethro Tull. Bad Company, Blue Oyster Cult, Doobie Brothers, Foreigner, J. Geils Band, T. Rex, Thin Lizzy to name a few. It's impossible what direction the Committee might go. They could swing back and nominate 5 or 6 70's Rock Bands or they could advance into the 80's. Selecting Bryan Adams, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, The Eurythmics for example. Jethro Tull will not be on my 2019 Final List.
KING 👑

Posted by KING on Thursday, 06/6/2019 @ 20:45pm


K-Dawg,

I also wasn't pleased with the enirety of the 2019 Class. I mean Stevie Nicks,one of the Conventional Rock acts went in a second time while others have yet to be inducted once. Let's assume that the Cure were getting inducted no matter what. Rather than not accept induction of some act I question the timing. Roxy Music were inducted But Jethro Tull were NOT even nominated. Easily it could have been reversed. Jethro Tull this year and Roxy in 2020.

In any case more deserving acts can go in for 2020 like Jethro Tull. We will wait and see.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/6/2019 @ 20:48pm


KING,

I don't see Procol Harum being nominated. Again, the Singles Category. It's looking more and more like a joke, but it still appears to be the consolation prize. Don't see that happening.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 06/7/2019 @ 01:13am


I'd love to see Enig's take on Jethro Tull vs. newer trends and if he thinks it will happen. Prog is his lifeblood, so would be interesting to see.

As far as Procol Harum goes, honestly I think they will throw "Whiter Shade of Pale" to the Singles Category and try to be content with that. I get the feeling there is an itch to move on from a genre they came late to the party with, ineptly, and the greener, more mainstream-friendly rock groups of the 70s with large followings like Bad Company, Foreigner, the Doobie Brothers and even Supertramp beckon.

On a side note, what does everyone think of "Summer Breeze" as a singles nominee? Seals and Crofts obviously were a short-time wonder, but that song resonated from the 70s and 80s into the 90s and beyond as the quintessential AM rock love song; betraying my normal rock and hip hop exterior, I thoroughly enjoy it.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 06/7/2019 @ 05:28am


K-Dawg,

I will respond to the Jethro Tull while we wait for Enig's take. Jethro Tull have a long career that dates back to 1969 with not just their debut album but 2 albums in one year. It's the same thing that Led Zeppelin did with their first 2 albums. Jethro Tull became also one of the top bands of the 70s thanks to albums like Thick as a Brick and A Passion Play. Those were in fact albums that topped the charts. There was of course the big goof in 1988 when they won the Grammy for top Hard Rock/Metal album for 1988 with Crest of a Knave. It was a bit of a Blunder but happened from still combining Hard Rock and Metal. It was a new category and Jethro Tull was still categorized in the late 80s. They themselves were just barely doing any Hard Rock since Crest of a Knave had a bunch of acoustic tunes on it. But Jethro Tull did innovative Classic Rock from the late 60s-early 70s period.

You said you get the feeling there is an itch to move on from a genre they came late to the party with and move to the greener,more mainstream-friendly rock groups of the 70s. Can you explain? Do you mean move on from a genre after they nominate Jethro Tull or before and ignore them. I think you mean after Jethro Tull. Your post yesterday is very supportive of Jethro Tull. Please let me know.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 06/7/2019 @ 06:16am


'Summer Breeze' is a badass song.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 06/7/2019 @ 06:54am


FRL REGULARS
Great discussion this week FRL. I think Procol Harum has a good chance in 2019-2020. Little Steven is a strong advocate for Procol Harum plus The Zombies are now inducted. Those Zombies advocates might swing back to Procol Harum. 60's groups like Peter,Paul & Mary, The Guess Who, The Sonics,Tommy James And The Shondells might earn a spot.
Now that it's June, it's good to see regulars here making their lists for the RRHOF. Probably Cher and Motley Crue have the biggest buzz this year. Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails, and Procol Harum are 3 definites for me. The biggest challenge will be picking Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. Iron Maiden has strong showings in the RRHOF fan voting. Judas Priest already has been nominated once.
On the projects: Good to see Nick rewarded as Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine finally received a nomination on the final ballot. Gloria has been close several times before. I see Jennifer's Herman's Hermits jumped up to 9 votes. Could be a nomination next time. It appears Bryan Adams Reckless will fall short. Would be hard-pressed to place 8 ALBUMS above Reckless. It's Only Love, Run To You, Summer Of 69, Classic songs. In my Top 5 of FAV albums with Def Leppard Pyromania and U2 War.
On a Final note, it was disappointing that Enig did not have Procol Harum in his Top 10 FAV list of PROG and PROG ADJACENT bands. KING 👑

Posted by KING on Friday, 06/7/2019 @ 10:44am


Ben,

Simply put, I meant they came late to the party (ineptly, as I mentioned) for prog, as several of the bands inducted (Moody Blues, Yes, et al) should have been in years before they were considered and the Hall rushed to play catch-up, it seems. The reason I see Jethro Tull being one of the last is because of the fact they had a fairly successful mainstream run, especially with the titan guitar riff and opening line that is "Aqualung" (who doesn't recognize "sitting on a park bench"? ;) )

As mentioned, King's case for them duly noted, I think because "Whiter Shade of Pale" is far and away Procol Harum's best known song, they might try to sneak them in with a Singles nom and be done with it. The same could be done with Crimson King.

The Hall, I believe, will focus on the mainstream rock bands of the 70s that are sitting out there that people less artistically focused want to see in, Foreigner and the Doobie Brothers for example, who might not have innovated as much, but really were the sound of the decade for many people. Journey kind of is the poster child for this movement. As an aside, no offense to Kansas fans, but I think they probably will be on the outside looking in, but I was of the same opinion about the Zombies, and there are the pet project voters who confound, so anything's possible.

I hope this cleared it up, I know I can be wordy.

What do you think about my "Summer Breeze" notion?

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 06/7/2019 @ 14:47pm


I neglected, and probably should mention, that Ian Anderson is probably the best flautist in a rock band that I can think of; his duel talents also will not go unnoticed.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 06/7/2019 @ 14:50pm


Here's how my 2019-2020 RRHOF Cycle is Looking as of June 8,2019. Nick Rhodes Birthday 🎂.
1. Bad Company
2. Husker Du
3. Depeche Mode
4. Motley Crue
5. Procol Harum
6. Nine Inch Nails
7. The Guess Who
8. Annie Lennox/The Eurythmics
9. Jane's Addiction
10. Tina Turner (Solo)
11. Judas Priest
12. Rage Against The Machine
13. X
14. Rufus/Chaka Khan
15. The Offspring
16. Ian Hunter/Mott The Hoople
17. The Spinners
18. Morrissey
19. Alice In Chains
20. T. Rex
21. Gloria Estefan/ Miami Sound Machine
I think Duran Duran, Pat Benatar, Iron Maiden will be moved to 2020. Motley Crue with Bon Jovi and Def Leonard's inductions next in line there. Plus, plenty of smoke and fire with The Dirt movie and things. Cher will be moved to 2020 as well. I think they give Chaka Khan 1 more kick at the can and Tina Turner around 80 years old now. Can't waste time on a 2x Induction with her. Diana Ross could be a dark horse candidate. She turned 75 this year. A big anniversary plus she's been visible. Still looks great and in good voice. I think Tina is over in Switzerland now where Diana Ross right close here. Ross had plenty of hits and the right connections. RRHOF dragged their feet on John Mayall and Willie Nelson. I see Mayall as an important Early Influence (EI) and Willie Nelson as a Legendary Award or Musical Excellence. I've also created a new award for the Hall. Important Concert or Event-Woodstock. Can't induct the entire Woodstock groups but inducting the concert itself memorializes the event. The artists would never be forgotten. A final jam with Woodstock artists like Santana, The Who, would be awesome. KING 👑

Posted by KING on Saturday, 06/8/2019 @ 14:00pm


King,

I assume this is your predicted ballot, and not a "dream ballot." If it's merely that and just who you hope gets nominated, then disregard the following comments.


Why would the Hall nominate and try to induct Morrissey solo over the Smiths? Morrissey is an important figure in alternative rock for sure, but he became that important figure because of the Smiths.

Nominating him and inducting him instead of the Smiths would be the equivalent to nominating and inducting Stevie Nicks instead of Fleetwood Mac.

That makes no sense.

You never see Morrissey (solo) in the top 5 or 10 of greatest indie rock and/or alternative rock artist lists. It's always the Smiths.

The Rock Hall is gonna continue pushing for the Smiths not skip them and move on to Morrissey.

I also seriously doubt that the Hall is gonna move past much bigger and important and critically acclaimed 90's groups like Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, PJ Harvey, Beck, Bjork, and the newly eligible Weezer and Oasis, and put the Offspring on the ballot instead. Just don't see that happening.

If Eurythmics makes the ballot again, it'll be as Eurythmics, not a joint induction for Annie Lennox as well. Her solo career is not that noteworthy (far less than Stevie Nicks who was much more successful and iconic as a solo artist and still probably wasn't quite worthy of induction), and the Hall has never done a joint induction for a solo artist and the group they were in. They didn't induct John Lennon/Beatles, Eric Clapton/Cream, Robert Plant/Led Zeppelin, Stevie Nicks/Fleetwood Mac, etc.

As for Alice in Chains, as much as I love them, I just don't see the Hall passing over Soundgarden and/or Smashing Pumpkins for them, especially Soundgarden. Alice in Chains is too metal for the Hall, and the Hall is gonna likely continue to push for older metal acts such as Judas Priest (whom you have on your ballot) or Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy, or even Scorpions, before they move to 90's metal. Soundgarden was also metal-orientated, but they had much more mainstream appeal, and Chris Cornell was close with many at the Hall as they've done multiple tribute performances, so they've got the connections too.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think it's gonna be quite a while before Alice in Chains makes their first appearance on the ballot. I think it'll happen within the next 10 years though as long as enough 90's bands get in that time frame. If the heavyweights (in the Hall's mind, to me AIC is a heavyweight of 90's rock) get in, they won't be able to ignore AIC much longer.

Other than that, I could see just about everyone else on your predicted ballot making it onto the final one.

Gloria Estefan might be a bit of a stretch despite online rock hall watchers, including myself supporting their induction, but it took 10 years to get Janet Jackson inducted. We still have Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston to get in. I don't see the Hall passing over them two for Gloria, when R&B/soul has much more representation and success with the voters than Latin music. But there's always surprises on the ballot, so who knows?

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 06/9/2019 @ 01:26am


DONNIE
Always good to hear your music knowledge and opinions here on FRL. Morrissey was a singer-songwriter pick as well as a creative way to have him, Depeche Mode, and Nine Inch Nails all on the same ballot. Ian Hunter fits the singer-songwriter too. Maybe, the RRHOF Committee is curious how Morrissey will do in the voting solo. My guess The Smiths haven't done as strong in the voting. Alice In Chains has done enough for nomination. Dirt and Jar Of Flies Classic Albums. Also, 1 of the BIG Seattle 4 with Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden. I think they have jumped in front of Soundgarden. Cornell just sang about every song whereas Layne and Jerry Cantrell harmonized on many songs. Jerry taking some verses. That was fortunate when AIC continued after Layne's death. Jerry sang some of the songs anyway. I think it's also a story about persevering after Layne's death and continuing to make great music. Annie Lennox, I just wanted her name out front. Mostly, as an honor and to see another woman's name on the ballot. I might switch back to The Eurythmics on my final ballot September 20. Gloria, she's probably a dark horse pick but fits the need for more Latin and Women representation in the Hall. I also like 1,2,3 and Conga. More appreciation of her music when examining her hit songs. The Offspring just a KING FAV I want to see in and represent 90's. KING 👑

Posted by KING on Sunday, 06/9/2019 @ 03:23am


KING,

I like your list. The name that is intriguing is Husker Du. A little punk never hurt anyone, and they are forgotten in too many circles.

Gloria Estefan and (probably) the Miami Sound Machine should go in together. While she had a great solo run, the whole group does Conga amongst other great hits. And it's definitely a unique sound as it's almost disco, almost Latin...great dance stuff for sure.

Like you, I like AIC. I'm not sure that there will be a 90s rock inductee this year, but the Offspring are a great band; of all the choices, if you put a water pistol to my head, I'd stick with my choice of NIN as they do check more boxes off than the others, and are a springboard to loads of current rock genres.

Realistically, the only name on your list that I personally would think the Hall wouldn't think twice about is Morrissey. Hasn't he bashed them in the past? He would go in with the Smiths, but I see Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Joy Division/New Order, and arguably the Eurythmics in front of them. They always are knocked, maybe unfairly, for the brief run/lack of albums, but it's the RRHOF committee, so who knows?

I'll try to get out an in-depth explanation of my own list in the next day or two; I also realized I left off Todd Rundgren, so if I include him, I have 18. About what I'd consider the max this year they might nominate.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 06/9/2019 @ 05:59am


Donnie,

I agree with a few of your points. I agree the Hall will not skip the Smiths. I am predicting the Smiths as nominee for 2020. Coming after the Cure that would makes sense. I am a more conventional. That doesn't mean I hate all things New Wave and 80s Alt. It just means I am picky. I own some tunes of the Smiths. No worries.

The Eurythmics will make the ballot. I am also predicting them for the ballot of 2020. it'll be as Eurythmics not a joint induction. The solo career of Annie Lennox is not that Noteworthy and is rather humdrum. However, I think what King meant was either one NOT a joint.

It's like you said. As for Alice in Chains, the Hall definitely will NOT pass over Soundgarden There is NO way.I agree. You are right,Alice in Chains is too metal for the Hall. The Hall looks like it will continues to push Older Metal acts such as Judas Priest,Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy and maybe the Scorpions. Don't forget about Ozzy solo and Motley Crue. I agree with the rest of your paragraph on Soundgarden.

I also agree the Hall will have Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston on ballots before Gloria Estefan. I see King says he may switch back to just Eurythmics. The rest of them like the Guess Who,Tina Turner and Ian Hunter are very possible. It would be Ian Hunter solo I think rather than Mott the Hoople I decided. Ian Hunter has a career of 30+ years as opposed to Mott the Hoople. There is always going to be some surprises on the Ballot.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 06/9/2019 @ 06:34am


BEN and K-DAWG.
Good posts on some of what Donnie and I were discussing on my June Candidates for RRHOF. Here's the thing with Chaka Khan. The Hall clearly wants her inducted with all these nominations. I don't see how she would sneak in if she's going against Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey straight up plus Tina Turner. They were 2 of the late 80's and 90's star vocalists. Numerous hits. Could give Chaka the Zombies treatment where not much direct competition. Say Chaka was up against Annie Lennox and Gloria. I think she would have a puncher's chance at Induction. People have been confident having Soundgarden on their ballots for a few years now. No nominations. I think they go with Alice In Chains (AIC) who have both critical and commercial success. Also 1 of the BIG 4 Seattle scene. AIC,I can see they are metal. However, Jar Of Flies shows some great talent and the album with the 3 legged dog had some bluesy numbers. Jerry Cantrell has reached an elevated status with his guitar prowess and vocals. I'm keeping them on my ballot for September. Yes, I have Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine. That's what will be on my final ballot. I singled out Gloria as far as discussing some women who might be on the ballot.
Morrissey, I think he's been around long enough as a singer-songwriter to be nominated solo. I already have Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails so it's a creative way to get Morrissey on the ballot. One of the closest locks might be Ian Hunter. Brian May is well-respected in the music industry. His admiration and respect for Ian Hunter was evident and Joe Elliott recent inductee has mentioned Ian's name as well as somebody he'd like to see inducted. Hunter turned 80. This should be his time. I might change out Judas Priest for Iron Maiden. Motley Crue's big surge this cycle has changed the situation. So it might be Motley Crue and Iron Maiden or Motley Crue and Judas Priest. 60's groups difficult to predict but I think The Guess Who stands out as a group that deserves a nomination. They have plenty of hit songs and American Woman is a signature work. Procol Harum will be on my list every year. I'm going down with the ship. So hopefully they receive a nomination.
We know that the RRHOF Committee throws a few curveballs into the proceedings. Maybe, that's where Gloria and Husker Du might surface. I can't recall John Prine on anyone's FRL ballot although Zuzu jotted down Prine on a few of her lists. I'm curious about some of the older deserving artists who deserve it. Gordon Lightfoot, Ian Hunter, John Mayall, Willie Nelson. Also, Diana Ross and Tina Turner are deserving 2x inductees. They are up their in age. With Dr. John and Dick Dale passing away recently and others, it shows the importance of getting some of the more deserving 75+ age artists inducted before age or sickness takes them. At least, Dr. John was inducted RRHOF and had some years to enjoy that honor.
The honest truth...Nobody gets a perfect paper 15/15 or 19/19 on these RRHOF nominations. Sometimes, you can connect the dots. Other times, it just seems to come out of left field. I think the RRHOF has done an excellent job sweeping up some of the biggest snubs in recent years. Chicago, Cheap Trick, Deep Purple, KISS, Moody Blues, The Cure, YES etc. Dire Straits and ELO are 2 I missed because I thought they would be inducted later. Jeff Lynne and Mark Knopfler are highly admired and respected artists. I should have connected the dots better in those 2 cases. KING 👑

Posted by KING on Sunday, 06/9/2019 @ 12:36pm


Alice In Chains might be "too metal" for the NOMINATING COMMITTEE, but they would easily get the votes to be inducted (as would Soundgarden or Smashing Pumpkins). Too much respect from critics and the many guitar-band inductees that clog the voting rolls. These groups are not inductees simply because the 30 person committee is blocking their way.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 06/9/2019 @ 13:27pm


One thing to always remember is who is actually doing the nominating and voting. That increases the chances of artists who are inducted picking their contemporaries for induction.

I think Mott the Hoople will likely be nominated, with the surviving members of Queen and Def Leppard trying to get Mott in and influencing others to move toward this. Although one could argue that Ian Hunter as a solo artist deserves to be in (having a lengthy and distinguished career post-Mott, I would think those making the decision will ultimately go for Mott, so as to be more inclusive.

I think this is also the year for Duran Duran.

I don't think Chaka Khan with or without Rufus is out of the question either, but I'm sensing Tina Turner on the horizon. I think both Chaka and Tina are respected by their fellow artists.

Which brings us to Whitney Houston, who was a great singer but perhaps someone who the powers that be and previous inductees might rightfully ask what Whitney Houston and rock and roll have in common. Whitney has been eligible for 10 years and has yet to be nominated. She'll probably make it in at some point, however, but if I were voting, I wouldn't vote for her.

And Mariah Carey? She has even less in common with rock and roll than Whitney. She's been eligible for four years without a nomination.
I would guess that most of the nominating committee and the eligible voters would feel little in common with Mariah and it would not be surprising if there was even some antipathy for Mariah. I'm sure it is well known how Mariah and her record company sold many of her lesser known #1's at a loss so that she could pad her resume of #1 singles. She sold CD singles for 39 cents or 69 cents at a time in which others were selling CD singles for $2.99 and many artists were not releasing CD singles at all because they were not a moneymaker. (That's why what would have been 8 or 10 week number ones like No Doubt's "Don't Speak" didn't chart at all- it was never released as a CD single and Billboard at that time required a CD single release in order to chart)

At that time, singles charts were devised entirely on a point per sale method rather than a point per dollar basis. So, an artist who would sell 8 copies of a 39 cent single would get 8 points toward chart position, even though the process of manufacture, distribution and sale would entail a LOSS OF REVENUE to the artist of approximately a dollar and a half per unit sold. But, this would count 8 times as much as the sale of 1 copy of a CD at 2.99, which would actually make the record company a PROFIT of a dollar per unit. One could argue that Mariah Carey is one of the least successful singles artists that there has ever been, because many of her later #1's were sold at such a loss. I can't think of a legitimate reason to sell a CD single for such a loss other than to play chart games to stroke someone's vanity. I stopped following the singles charts around that time because they were such a joke. They have since changed the chart methodology for the Billboard Hot 100, largely to prevent this type of chicanery.

My choices for who I think will be nominated:

Kraftwerk
Tina Turner
Duran Duran
the Monkees
Depeche Mode
Mott the Hoople
Judas Priest
The Spinners
Warren Zevon
Eurythmics
Beck
the Guess Who
Pat Benatar
the B-52's
the Notorious B.I.G.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Sunday, 06/9/2019 @ 21:38pm


Now who I think SHOULD be nominated is a little different.

Kraftwerk (the biggest remaining snub there is)
Kate Bush
Tina Turner
the Monkees
Duran Duran
Mott the Hoople
the Spinners
Blur
the Guess Who
Procol Harum
Brian Eno
Eurythmics
Cyndi Lauper
Supertramp
Judas Priest

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Sunday, 06/9/2019 @ 21:51pm


I see that that there are plenty on board Right Now with Tina Turner solo. I predicted her last year and it failed. But maybe that was because Janet Jackson was still being nominated. Now that Janet J. is out of the way and inducted the path is clear for Tina Turner. Tina Turner has been in my predictions a couple of years. I looked her up on Wikipedia. She is 79 Years Old. She will be 80 later this year. So the Hall can't waste time on a 2X induction at all. I like quite a bit of Tina Turner. I saw her in concert once. She always puts on a good show.

Diana Ross and Tina Turner are both deserving of 2X induction. They are both up there in age as part of the 75 and over crowd.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/10/2019 @ 05:51am


@ Eric Tompkins

Interesting predictions, but I don’t think Judas Priest will get another nomination that soon due to the poor amount of support from voting body. Then again, they could easily win the fan vote ballot online, so it’s pretty doubtful.

When it comes to hard rock/metal from the 70’s and 80’s, Motley Crue is next to complete the “Holy Trinity of Glam Metal” in the Hall along with Bon Jovi and the Post-High N’ Dry Def Leppard. They’re everywhere right now thanks to their movie the Dirt on Netflix, and they’re also killing the kiosk right now at the Hall. The band recently realized this on their Facebook page and understood the Crueheads wants them in.

If they skip the Crue, not only it would be harder to induct certain bands like Priest and Maiden, it would also show how completely meaningless the kiosk is. I also don’t wanna hear stuff like “they’re too problematic” or “it would ruin the Hall’s credibility.” If some of you guys have a problem with Motley, then how do ya explain Guns N‘ Roses (who cited them as one of their influences)? They were just trouble-making and bad boyish as them who went through the “sex, drugs and rock & roll” lifestyle like no other band in the late 80’s and no one complain about it when they were inducted in 2012.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 06/10/2019 @ 09:19am


Two thoughts: If Tina Turner is nominated, I hope I see it more in the vein of having Stevie Nicks and Janet simultaneously, and don't just chock one up to tokenism and say "we nom woman"; Whitney has been gone for 7 years, and as much as Tina deserves to be in when she's alive, Whitney is long overdue to be honored as well, and it would be a very fitting tribute to have them go in at the same time.

The Crue will go in; I keep hearing how the Hall is stigmatized by metal, and it needs to end. It also would shut up some of the harder edged rock people who I've even heard say acts like the 50s pioneers weren't really rock enough for the Hall. And how does Rage get a pass in all these ballots when they are more hard-edged than some of the snubbed bands? I get Tom Morello is on the committee, but he of all people should be campaigning for those who came before him. (For some reason, it seems to me his great band got significant influence especially from Crue and the Scorps).

A good day all!

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 06/10/2019 @ 13:46pm


Guns N' Roses music (IMO) is so much better than the Crues. Plus GNR wasn't a semi-parody of a hair/glam metal band like I think of The Crue.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 06/10/2019 @ 14:53pm


The Dude,

As much as you feel differently, I think it's a bit of a stretch to put Motley Crue in the same league as Def Leppard or Bon Jovi, especially with respect to popularity. With regard to there being a Holy Trinity, I don't buy it. One could make an argument that Poison is closer in league to the above artists than the Crue, yet still far behind. A Holy Binity, perhaps.

Certainly, Motley has gotten some attention. The Rock Hall's Voice Your Choice feature to me is an idle curiosity, as I see a number of other artists who have done well on that list who I don't expect to see on the Rock Hall ballot anytime soon. The Crue replaced Blink 182 as the leading votegetter and I'm not holding my breath for Blink 182. And Freddie Mercury solo? As much as I like Freddie and have all of his solo stuff, Freddie solo in the Rock Hall just ain't happenin'.

What I see likely happening is the same thing that will happen when the powers that be note that Daft Punk is going to be eligible this year. They'll ask, how can Daft Punk make the Rock Hall without Kraftwerk being in first? For the Crue, they'll ask the same thing with respect to Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. And although it would not shock or even surprise me if the Crue is listed this year, I think they'll go for Judas Priest again.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Monday, 06/10/2019 @ 19:00pm


Don't you remember when that one guy said that Priest did poorly in the votes back when they were nominated?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 06/10/2019 @ 19:31pm


Yes, I do remember that. And it is possible that they may do poorly when they are nominated again. It is also quite possible that Motley Crue might do poorly as well and I suspect Iron Maiden might do worse than either of them.

I have no dog in a Motley Crue/Judas Priest fight. I simply stated on my list that I thought they should be nominated. You may note that they were the last on my list and I probably wouldn't cast a vote for them myself until many other (in my opinion) more worthy artists are inducted.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Monday, 06/10/2019 @ 19:43pm


@ Paul

Funny thing about that is GNR’s decline was way worse than Motley’s. Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 were their last good efforts. After that, they terribly went downhill with all the messy lineup changes, starting with Izzy Stradlin’s departure. Sure, Slash and Duff McKagan rejoined the band, but that ain’t enough for me to consider as a rebirth.

Motley May had their shares of lineup changes after the 80’s, but they weren’t messy as GNR’s; they mostly went on and off until they were able to renew their success as an a touring attraction in the Mid-2000’s when all the original members were finally back together. I’m pretty sure most fans of 80’s hard rock don’t consider the Crue as a “semi-parody” group; You’re just thinking the fourth rate bands who were new at the tail end of the decade, and trying to sound like them much as they could before grunge exploded in the 90’s like Winger and Skid Row.

The Crue was truly being themselves musically. They were the FIRST “glam metal” band - NOT Van Halen NOR Def Leppard.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 06/10/2019 @ 21:38pm


Maybe I'm confusing them with Twisted Sister...

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 06/11/2019 @ 06:56am


Paul in KY,

Unlike Motley Crue, I would actually vote for Twisted Sister.

;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06/11/2019 @ 10:25am


Honestly, I don't see why Alice In Chains wouldn't be nominated and inducted this cycle. They are part of the Big 4 with Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. Nirvana and PJ both were inducted as 1st time nominees. Impressive work! I think it's AIC's time. The band now has a BL (Before Layne) and AL (After Layne) period. I give Jerry Cantrell a KING salute for keeping the band together and successful. A man of his talents could just be a Eric Clapton or Sting or something and do his own thing. I think that will resonate with the Committee. At this point, I see Alice In Chains as a good chance at nomination. Say the Committee doesn't have enough votes for Motley Crue. I would believe Alice In Chains would be a strong candidate. Jerry Cantrell was also at the RRHOF ceremony recently for the Chris Cornell tribute performing on stage with Ann Wilson.
Soundgarden has been around longer than Alice In Chains. The Committee should have nominated Soundgarden after Cornell's death. I believe that was a rare missed opportunity although I like the tribute for Chris. Had Soundgarden received nomination and still fell short, the Committee would have at least tried. Who do you think deserves to be inducted 1st Alice In Chains or Soundgarden. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 06/11/2019 @ 12:52pm


Enig, didn't know Twisted Sister were Prog-Glametal ;-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 06/11/2019 @ 14:20pm


K-Dawg,

I will discuss your point about Tina Turner. I agree it could be in the vein of Stevie Nicks and Janet Jackson simultaneously. But I think Pat Benatar will be on the ballot. This I think will block Whitney Houston on the ballot. They are both superstars in their genres. I personally think it could be Pat Benatar and Tina Turner simultaneously. They are both alive. That's the reason they could do that. Also continues the pattern of a Female rock icon and an R&B icon.

The strategy may be to have Whitney Houston stand alone. I am not going to pretend to be a Whitney H fan. But I will say that she deserves it. The Hall will want a tribute to her. I just know about a pair off. A pair off works better with 2 females alive that can both give terrific speeches. A Tina Turner induction speech would be great.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/12/2019 @ 05:51am


King,

I like your Comments a few days ago. You seem to be confident in Chaka Khan as a nominee. She is not on my list for 2020. I have Tina Turner instead. The pattern with Chaka K lately is the Rufus nomination. That could happen on the same ballot with Tina Turner. A slightly better chance with Rufus group against Tina T. As with Mariah Carey and Others Lots Of Hits with Tina T. e

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/13/2019 @ 08:13am


Let’s be honest, the Rock Hall does not include enough female artists. In deference to Eric Layton Of E-Rockracy and his wife Mary Of “Induct Dennis Wilson” and their opinions about inducting more female artists: I am very much in favor of this, especially when Pat Benatar, Sade, Cher, Carole King, Tina Turner (as a solo artist) are concerned. Two months ago, I had listed several female artists, with regards to Evelyn McDonnell.
On their second episode of their new podcast of their brilliant new podcast: “Hallwatchers,” Mary and Eric had elucidated many artists who they had felt deserved induction, please check it out.

I am referencing my older list, In deference to Evelyn McDonnell, Kristen Studard and Joe Kwaczala’s most recent “Who Cares About The Rock Hall Podcast.”

Shrek & Philip,

I agree with you, however I was attempting to include only 100% female acts, in deference to Evelyn McDonnell’s article,
“The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.“ I think that a more likely scenario would be to include acts whose lead singer/songwriter/composer are female and whose other members may be male. Unlike men, ladies do not seem to form that many all female bands. Most of the artists on my list were solo artists. Now, a more realistic scenario would be to include more female acts on subsequent nomination lists. Of course, I would include Sade, because I feel that they represent an act whose lead singer/songwriter/composer is female, but the other members are male. Also, a 100% female ballot would be a very tough sell to most of the voting public. So, let’s look at a hybrid list of male and female acts who might appear on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominee’s List, instead after the original list:


Regarding Evelyn McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.”

Yes, I do believe that more female artists should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I am not as likely to vote for the Go-Gos, as I would The Bangles. I am much more likely to vote for Carly Simon and Carole King, then I am The Runaways. If the unthinkable did actually happen, i.e. a completely female ballot, it might look somewhat like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Carly Simon
03. Carole King
04. Tina Turner
05. Kate Bush
06. Sheryl Crow
07. k. d. lang
08. Melissa Etheridge
09. Shania Twain
10. Björk
11. Tori Amos
12. Martina McBride
13. Whitney Houston
14. Dionne Warwick
15. TLC
16. Salt n Pepa
17. Queen Latifah
18. The Go-Gos
19. The Runaways
20. Cher

Unfortunately, it would exclude Sade due to 4 of their male members, The Eurythmics, The Carpenters, etc.

Therefore, a more realistic scenario would be a hybrid of the two. A list which looks more like this:

01. Sade
02. Sheryl Crow
03. Tori Amos
04. The Bangles
05. Carly Simon
06. Duran Duran
07. Jethro Tull
08. Procol Harum
09. Tina Turner
10. Carole King
11. Doobie Brothers
12. Carpenters
13. Beck
14. OutKast
15. Kraftwerk
16. Eurythmics
17. Depeche Mode
18. Smashing Pumpkins
19. Nine Inch Nails
20. Pixies

Well, what do you think?

Even more unlikely would be a complete list of all hybrid male/female artists whose lead singer is female, in addition to solo female artists and all female bands:

01. Sade
02. Renaissance
03. Missing Persons
04. No Doubt
05. Eurythmics
06. Carpenters
07. Carly Simon
08. Carole King
09. Tina Turner
10. Cher
11. k.d. lang
12. Tori Amos
13. TLC
14. Salt ‘n’ Pepa
15. Queen Latifah
16. Shania Twain
17. Sheryl Crow
18. The Bangles
19. The Go-Gos


Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04.2.19 @ 10:40am

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 06/14/2019 @ 10:56am


For female artists the Shangri-Las lead the list for nomination and induction.

Posted by Mark on Friday, 06/14/2019 @ 11:13am


honest, the Rock Hall does not include enough female artists. In deference to Eric Layton Of E-Rockracy and his wife Mary Of “Induct Dennis Wilson” and their opinions about inducting more female artists: I am very much in favor of this, especially where Pat Benatar, Sade, Cher, Carole King and Tina Turner (as a solo artist) are concerned. Two months ago, I had listed several female artists, with regards to Evelyn McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.” .
On their second episode of their brilliant new podcast: “Hallwatchers,” Mary and Eric had elucidated many artists who they had felt deserved induction, please check it out. I would not be opposed to either a nomination for Grace Jones, or the late Patsy Cline either.

I am referencing my older lists, In deference to Evelyn McDonnell, Kristen Studard and Joe Kwaczala’s most recent “Who Cares About The Rock Hall Podcast.”

Shrek & Philip,

I agree with you, however I was attempting to include only 100% female acts, in deference to Evelyn McDonnell’s article,
“The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.“ I think that a more likely scenario would be to include acts whose lead singer/songwriter/composer are female and whose other members may be male. Unlike men, ladies do not seem to form that many all female bands. Most of the artists on my list were solo artists. Now, a more realistic scenario would be to include more female acts on subsequent nomination lists. Of course, I would include Sade, because I feel that they represent an act whose lead singer/songwriter/composer is female, but the other members are male. Also, a 100% female ballot would be a very tough sell to most of the voting public. So, let’s look at a hybrid list of male and female acts who might appear on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominee’s List, instead after the original list:


Regarding Evelyn McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.”

Yes, I do believe that more female artists should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I am not as likely to vote for the Go-Gos, as I would The Bangles. I am much more likely to vote for Carly Simon and Carole King, then I am The Runaways. If the unthinkable did actually happen, i.e. a completely female ballot, it might look somewhat like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Carly Simon
03. Carole King
04. Tina Turner
05. Kate Bush
06. Sheryl Crow
07. k. d. lang
08. Melissa Etheridge
09. Shania Twain
10. Björk
11. Tori Amos
12. Martina McBride
13. Whitney Houston
14. Dionne Warwick
15. TLC
16. Salt n Pepa
17. Queen Latifah
18. The Go-Gos
19. The Runaways
20. Cher

Unfortunately, it would exclude Sade due to 4 of their male members, The Eurythmics, The Carpenters, etc.

Therefore, a more realistic scenario would be a hybrid of the two. A list which looks more like this:

01. Sade
02. Sheryl Crow
03. Tori Amos
04. The Bangles
05. Carly Simon
06. Duran Duran
07. Jethro Tull
08. Procol Harum
09. Tina Turner
10. Carole King
11. Doobie Brothers
12. Carpenters
13. Beck
14. OutKast
15. Kraftwerk
16. Eurythmics
17. Depeche Mode
18. Smashing Pumpkins
19. Nine Inch Nails
20. Pixies
21. Cher

Well, what do you think?

Even more unlikely would be a complete list of all hybrid male/female artists whose lead singer is female, in addition to solo female artists and all female bands:

01. Sade
02. Renaissance
03. Missing Persons
04. No Doubt
05. Eurythmics
06. Carpenters
07. Carly Simon
08. Carole King
09. Tina Turner
10. Cher
11. k.d. lang
12. Tori Amos
13. TLC
14. Salt ‘n’ Pepa
15. Queen Latifah
16. Shania Twain
17. Sheryl Crow
18. The Bangles
19. The Go-Gos


Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04.2.19 @ 10:40am

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 06/14/2019 @ 11:19am


Let’s be honest, the Rock Hall does not include enough female artists. In deference to Eric Layton Of E-Rockracy and his wife Mary Of “Induct Dennis Wilson” and their opinions about inducting more female artists: I am very much in favor of this, especially where Pat Benatar, Sade, Cher, Carole King and Tina Turner (as a solo artist) are concerned. Two months ago, I had listed several female artists, with regards to Evelyn McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.” .
On their second episode of their brilliant new podcast: “Hallwatchers,” Mary and Eric had elucidated many artists who they had felt deserved induction, please check it out. I would not be opposed to either a nomination for Grace Jones, or the late Patsy Cline either.

I am referencing my older lists, In deference to Evelyn McDonnell, Kristen Studard and Joe Kwaczala’s most recent “Who Cares About The Rock Hall Podcast.”

Shrek & Philip,

I agree with you, however I was attempting to include only 100% female acts, in deference to Evelyn McDonnell’s article,
“The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.“ I think that a more likely scenario would be to include acts whose lead singer/songwriter/composer are female and whose other members may be male. Unlike men, ladies do not seem to form that many all female bands. Most of the artists on my list were solo artists. Now, a more realistic scenario would be to include more female acts on subsequent nomination lists. Of course, I would include Sade, because I feel that they represent an act whose lead singer/songwriter/composer is female, but the other members are male. Also, a 100% female ballot would be a very tough sell to most of the voting public. So, let’s look at a hybrid list of male and female acts who might appear on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominee’s List, instead after the original list:


Regarding Evelyn McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.”

Yes, I do believe that more female artists should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I am not as likely to vote for the Go-Gos, as I would The Bangles. I am much more likely to vote for Carly Simon and Carole King, then I am The Runaways. If the unthinkable did actually happen, i.e. a completely female ballot, it might look somewhat like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Carly Simon
03. Carole King
04. Tina Turner
05. Kate Bush
06. Sheryl Crow
07. k. d. lang
08. Melissa Etheridge
09. Shania Twain
10. Björk
11. Tori Amos
12. Martina McBride
13. Whitney Houston
14. Dionne Warwick
15. TLC
16. Salt n Pepa
17. Queen Latifah
18. The Go-Gos
19. The Runaways
20. Cher

Unfortunately, it would exclude Sade due to 4 of their male members, The Eurythmics, The Carpenters, etc.

Therefore, a more realistic scenario would be a hybrid of the two. A list which looks more like this:

01. Sade
02. Sheryl Crow
03. Tori Amos
04. The Bangles
05. Carly Simon
06. Duran Duran
07. Jethro Tull
08. Procol Harum
09. Tina Turner
10. Carole King
11. Doobie Brothers
12. Carpenters
13. Beck
14. OutKast
15. Kraftwerk
16. Eurythmics
17. Depeche Mode
18. Smashing Pumpkins
19. Nine Inch Nails
20. Pixies
21. Cher

Well, what do you think?

Even more unlikely would be a complete list of all hybrid male/female artists whose lead singer is female, in addition to solo female artists and all female bands:

01. Sade
02. Renaissance
03. Missing Persons
04. No Doubt
05. Eurythmics
06. Carpenters
07. Carly Simon
08. Carole King
09. Tina Turner
10. Cher
11. k.d. lang
12. Tori Amos
13. TLC
14. Salt ‘n’ Pepa
15. Queen Latifah
16. Shania Twain
17. Sheryl Crow
18. The Bangles
19. The Go-Gos


Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04.2.19 @ 10:40am

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 06/14/2019 @ 11:26am


I don't know who keeps pushing this narrative that there haven't been enough women in the RRHOF. A few weeks ago, I posted several women who have been inducted in the last 20 years. It ranges the spectrum. Darlene Love, Donna Summer, Janet Jackson, Joan Jett, Madonna, Nina Simone, Stevie Nicks, Heart (Ann and Nancy), etc. Others like Chaka Khan have been nominated several times and will get in soon. My guess Annie Lennox, Mariah Carey, Pat Benatar, and Whitney Houston will be nominated and or inducted in the next 5 years.
I would suggest the lack of Latin music inducted and some heavier heavy metal groups like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest just as important. Many groups like Black Crowes, Bryan Adams, Duran Duran, Iron Maiden, Scorpions, etc haven't even been nominated yet. Easy no-brain HOF selections like Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, Judas Priest, Nine Inch Nails have been nominated but still on the outside of the fence. Is that the Nom Com or are the voters to blame for not being more educated or knowledgeable of the artists on the slate or ballot? Say these RRHOF voters aren't voting in Depeche Mode, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk or Nine Inch Nails. Then, the responsibility shifts to them. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 06/14/2019 @ 13:10pm


KING,

Briefly, I think it's more to do with the fact that they really didn't induct a sizable portion of the female acts in the early years of the Hall's existence, and so are playing catch-up, like they so often do. Women did play a larger role than ever in the 70s and 80s compared to previous generations of music, but it's always been male-dominated. Probably because the rock-edged spectrum of rock and roll is male dominated while the female portion gravitates more towards the pop portion. That being said, Pat Benatar and Kate Bush are 2 rock stalwarts who it is amazing haven't been considered. There are plenty of genres who are being neglected; at times it does become a popularity contest among the voters. And, of course, fan bases of bands have a tendency to clutter a fan vote. Not a rebuttal, just some points that indicate the Hall is a flawed and inexact measuring stick, but it's what we have, and they are trying at least

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 06/14/2019 @ 14:51pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1zomdH83pE

THE 2019 SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME INDUCTION CEREMONY

Bonnie Raitt is the presenter for John Prine
Dave Matthews is the presenter for Cat Stevens
Jermaine Dupri is the presenter for Dallas Austin
Queen Latifah is the presenter for Missy Elliot
Peter Cooper is the presenter for Tom T. Hall
Lukas Nelson is the presenter for Jack Tempchin

Posted by Roy on Friday, 06/14/2019 @ 16:01pm


Even in the event of an all-female ballot, Martina McBride has no chance of appearing. If they represent country, it'd be either Patsy or Dolly, imo.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 06/16/2019 @ 01:48am


My dream all female ballot.

Kate Bush
Bjork
Cher
Melanie
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Patsy Cline
Connie Francis
k.d. lang
Carole King
Carly Simon
LaBelle
Sade
Joan Armatrading
The Marvelettes
Lucinda Williams
Tina Turner
The Runaways
Suzi Quatro
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Pointer Sisters

What do think

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 06/16/2019 @ 03:10am


Actually, a really nice ballot, Greg.

Mine would look like this.

Carole King
The Chantels
The Shangri-Las
The Runaways
Carly Simon
Eurythmics
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Connie Francis
Emmylou Harris
Patsy Cline
Cher
Björk
PJ Harvey
The Bangles
Sheryl Crow
Kate Bush
Pat Benatar
Whitney Houston
Grace Jones
Esther Phillips
The Carpenters

Another honorable mention is Sonic Youth. I think their best work was all led by Kim Gordon.

I'd like to throw the spotlight on the EI category. I can find a reason for everyone of them to get in.

Big Mama Thornton
Sarah Vaughan
The Carter Family
Kitty Wells
Odetta
Ella Fitzgerald
The Andrews Sisters
Mary Ford
Lena Horne
Peggy Lee
Patti Page
Memphis Minnie

As for the AME category, I expect the following to be nominated in the future.

Carol Kaye (I can't explain why she isn't already in for a long time)
Valerie Simpson & Nick Ashford
Sheila E.
Sylvia Robinson

Posted by MichaelEU on Sunday, 06/16/2019 @ 05:00am


Everyone keeps forgetting Fanny, in a 1999 interview with Rolling Stone Magazine, David Bowie revealed his respect for the band: "They were extraordinary: they wrote everything, they played like mother's fudgers (had to censor those two words myself because of FRL spam), they were just colossal and wonderful, and nobody's ever mentioned them."

Later groups such as The Bangles and The Runaways cited Fanny as a key influence.

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 06/16/2019 @ 13:15pm


I see that there is a lot of buzz in the last 4 days on more females in the Hall. I will Not go so far as to Post an All Female ballot for 2020. I don't like to come up with list that are unthinkable. However, I can join in on this immense support of more females in the Hall with a list of Females likely to be at least nominated in the next 5 years which takes us towards 2025.

1. The Bangles
2. Carly Simon
3. Tina Turner
4. Kate Bush
5. Melissa Etherridge
6. Tori Amos
7. Whitney Houston
8. Dionne Warwick
9. Salt n' Pepa
10. The Go-Gos
11. Cher
12. The Marvelettes
13. Rufus with Chaka Khan
14. Pat Benatar

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/17/2019 @ 05:41am


Philip,

You had written a letter to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee on July 11, 2017 encouraging them not to nominate any white males for the Performer category for the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame.

At first, I had been taken aback by this, because it had been essential as far as I am concerned for the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and Duran Duran to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame first. Your letter had been approximately 2 1/2 years ahead of it’s time. I think that you will receive a better response from them, if you resend the same letter to the Nominating Committee within approximately 4-6 months from now. If the 2020 ballot does not have enough female nominees, your letter will be looked at as history making. I have to admire your sheer chutzpah for sharing it with us on your “Rock Hall Monitors” blog at that time.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 06/17/2019 @ 10:51am


Enig,

Some days back I posted some thoughts on prog. In a nutshell, do you think it's possible the nom com will try to shunt Procol Harum and/or Crimson King into the Singles category and call it good since they were so late to nominating some of the prog acts just to sweep it up? I very easily can see them doing it to Procol with "Whiter Shade of Pale"; Jethro Tull in my mind seems to quite possibly be the last of the 60-70s early acts to likely be given a "sweep and swoop" (nom and immediate induction) into the RRHOF...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 06/17/2019 @ 11:24am


@ K-Dawg

Steven Van Zandt stated the singles that are inducted does NOT mean their creators will never get in. The Hall has a great track record of Prog right now and that’s a good thing, so there is still hope for Procol Harum. If they’re one of this year’s nominees, they would get the most votes from the voting body like it happened to the Zombies cause they were around during the late 60’s and 70’s, which are considered as the “golden era” of music to most of the Silent generation, the Baby Boomers, and even some of the Gen Xers. Same goes with the Crims.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 06/17/2019 @ 11:49am


You know, looking at the recent update from the HOF voting kiosk, I realized that the real message from that system is there are no real "public favorites" - there is no consensus. Post says there have been almost 40,000 votes, and Motley Crue is leading with a bit over 1400 of them. That's only about 3.5% of the voters in their favor. 96.5% of voters didn't choose Motley Crue.

But in a lot of ways, I guess that makes sense. We tend to mark Diamond records as the ultimate sign of a musical mega-star. There have been less than 100 albums certified diamond to this date. But if an album sells 10 million copies in the USA, with a population around 327million, then that means that only about 3% of the country actually bought the album. So, I supposed Motley Crue's 3.5% vote threshold is comparable to the limited amount of shared public appeal that most of the best selling artists have ever achieved.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 06/17/2019 @ 18:09pm


Motley’s bestselling album is Dr. Feelgood; it’s currently a six time platinum record, but it should be eligible for diamond at this point.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 06/17/2019 @ 18:30pm


Just for the record, were there any names missed on this list of inductees that didn't write their own material or enlisted songwriting help for most of their catalogue?

Elvis Presley ("The King" of Rock and Roll)
The Coasters
Ricky Nelson
Jackie Wilson
The Supremes
The Temptations
The Four Tops
LaVern Baker
Sam & Dave
Etta James
Martha and the Vandellas
The Shirelles
The Jackson 5
Solomon Burke
Brenda Lee
The Righteous Brothers
The Ronettes
Little Anthony and the Imperials
Darlene Love
Linda Ronstadt
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts

The last two count as with both of them, most of their songs were covers.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 06/17/2019 @ 21:10pm


Hello everyone. I am noticing that the date Today is in mid June. I traditionally take my summer hiatus from the Hall at this time. The reason is it's the Dead season here at the Future Rock L site. Today will be the last day I post until August. As far as prog I do NOT agree that King Crimson will be thrown to the singles Category.

I am Not a King Crimson expert. I looked it up. I did Not know that Court of the Crimson King was a single. I note that it only peaked at #80 in 1969. That's Not exactly a Hit single. I am looking at the latest Draft of my 2020 predictions. I have King Crimson on the list. Steve Van Zant seems to be the creator of this rather silly category. He is Not a big prog fan at all. Yes, it's true that Procol Harum won in the singles category. I suspect that Whiter Shade of Pale is the Main song he likes. I like some of their other music. I don't think Van Zant likes Salty Dog album nearly as much.


I have changed my view slightly on acts in the
Singles category. I see that it's a bit of a sham created by Van Zant I presume. So there could still be hope for Procol Harum. I am not predicting them this year though. I am predicting King Crimson instead. The late 60s and 70s are indeed considered a "golden era" of music for the Baby boomers and some of the Gen Xers. Who is the Silent Generation? If thats before Baby Boomers? They did NOT like the Late 60s much. They didn't even like Neil Diamond and the Turtles as much as let's say Dean Martin and Doris Day.

But anyway I agree about Procol Harum. I always feel I should take an hiatus in the Summer. Not as much happens here until the Final lists of predictions from us are posted and Nominees are actually announced. I will post later

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 06:58am


@ Ben

The Silent Generation were born during the Great Depression and World War II. Those who were born around the late 30’s and early 40’s were in my opinion like a preview of the boomers.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 08:04am


@K-DAWG,

No, I do not believe that either King Crimson, or Procol Harum will receive anything less than a full induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Despite Steven Van Zandt’s induction of ‘A Whiter Shade Of Pale’ in the Singles category, I still think that a full induction of Procol Harum is quite possible. Both King Crimson and Procol Harum have far too many important albums to recognize.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 09:46am


@Philip,

You had written a letter to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee on July 11, 2017 encouraging them not to nominate any white males for the Performer category for the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame.

At first, I had been taken aback by this, because it had been essential as far as I had been concerned for the “holy trinity” of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and Duran Duran to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame first. Your letter had been approximately 2 1/2 years ahead of it’s time. I think that you will receive a better response from them, if you resend the same letter to the Nominating Committee within approximately 4-6 months from now. If the 2020 ballot does not have enough female nominees, your letter will be looked at as historically important. I have to admire your sheer chutzpah for sharing it with us on your “Rock Hall Monitors” blog at that time.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 09:49am


@Ben,

Why you go on an extended hiatus during the summer months is almost incomprehensible to me. When you do, you deprive this forum of your necessary and thought provoking input.

In any event, I do not frequently post as often as I would like to, primary because of the nature of my particular job. If I am extremely busy at work, you will not likely see my input more than a few times each week. Nonetheless, I am still constantly introducing new individuals to the wonders of progressive rock in my life.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 09:57am


Already listened the most recent episode of Hall Watchers. It is so far the best, but there are so many important metal bands they coulda mention like Venom who not only invented black metal, but are also considered as the first extreme metal band. Pantera is another one they forgot to mention; they may not be the first groove metal band (Exhorder is a must listen), but they did popularized the sub-genre.

Death, Cannibal Corpse, Saint Vitus, Mayhem, Dream Theatre, Type O Negative, the list goes on.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 11:44am


Enigmaticus,

The letter was basically "no more white males because Orange Man Bad". "Orange Man Bad" is not really a sentiment to get behind.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 12:22pm


@ Follower

Sounds like a Donald Trump reference. Such an easy target to make fun of for the laughs.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 12:26pm


"As long as Donald Trump is president and his agenda is on the offense, do not nominate any White males for the Performer category for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame."

-Philip.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 14:13pm


Follow-up to that list of HOF acts that didn't write, or wrote few of their own songs:

The majority of Jerry Lee Lewis' hits were written by other songwriters.

Aretha Franklin only wrote a handful of her songs, the few she did write were great though!

Similarly Joan Baez is best known as a song interpreter, though she has a few well written songs of her own.

Clyde McPhatter only wrote a couple of songs.

A lot of the hits for The Platters were written by outside songwriter Buck Ram

Dusty Springfield mostly was a song interpreter with just a handful of writing credits.

Jeff Beck has written some songs in his discography, but he is certainly *not* in the HOF due to his outstanding songwriting ability.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 14:45pm


How the F did Deep Purple get in once they were on the ballot but Judas Priest did NOT (and reportedly did HORRIBLY according to one nominating committee member)?

Seriously. Makes ZERO sense. Perhaps Priest had a more competitive ballot...but still...HOW?

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 16:18pm


@ Casper

DP were actually nominated thrice.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 16:27pm


The fact that Dave Holland would be among the musicians being honored might well have cost Deep Purple a lot of votes.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 17:11pm


Enig,

I do see your point. One of the reasons for the extended Hiatus during the Summer is I thought Nobody would pay attention to what I say in the dead season. As is in May and June I have done flashbacks to the old Ceremonies. Things like that.I give the predictions a Rest, But I guess I am wrong. It does happen that Clerical activity for my Dad has increased. My Dad may be gone but his Clerical things continue. My Lawyer just completed the Estate for my Dad. There is Now extra Phone Calls to make.I will certainly ever mention amounts. But this makes me busier. For months Nothing much was going on.So I had plenty of time to post here. All I had was my Regular Job at my Warehouse.

But I will Post things occasionally. Perhaps once a week. I will say right now for instance that I figured you would totally disagree with King Crimson in the Singles category. They never had a real Hit single. Court of Crimson King peaked at #80. I am Not even a big fan of K Crimson and even I know they have too many important albums. I heard some of their stuff on the Old Rock station WNEW-FM. The Jock Scott Muni supported their music somewhat. Scott Muni in New York was a legendary Jock. He loved the Moody Blues.

This Jock Scott Muni did a lot of interviews of various bands. One day when I was 18 I listened to an Interview with John Wetton of K Crimson. It was in early 1983. It was a good interview. I learned some of their stuff during that interview. I want throw Moody Blues in here and say that last year when Justin Hayward giving thank yous to people during his career he thank the legendary Scott Muni in New York. Have you heard of Scott Muni? Where do you live? Even if Not New York It is very possible you knew him.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/18/2019 @ 22:19pm


Ben and Enig,

In reference to King Crimson and/or other possible Prog nominations for next year, I do consider King Crimson to be at the top of the list, or very close. It would have to be them or Jethro Tull, or maybe both. I don't know enough about Procol Harum to make a determination, besides knowing a few songs, "Conquistador", "Whiter Shade of Pale", and "Toujours L'Amour". I am a fan of Robin Trower, though, so if they get nominated I'm OK with that.
King Crimson and Jethro Tull are on my possible nominees list, and what people tend to overlook with King Crimson is how Fripp is always dissolving the band and then later reforming it into something else. Aside from the early 70's albums, the reformation of the 1980's King Crimson, with "Discipline", "Beat", and Three Of a Perfect Pair", being fantastic albums. These include Fripp, Bill Bruford, the amazing Adrian Belew, and Tony Levin, with producer Rhett Davies on the first 2. After another 10 year hiatus, Fripp reformed the band again in the 90's, with the albums, "Vroooom", "Thrak", and "The Construkction of Light" in 2000.

I saw them live in concert in 1995, and then again in 2001, when they were touring the States. Both shows were excellent, especially the one from 1995, because of the selective setlist. So I would probably lean in their direction for a nomination, if I had to pick one.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 06/19/2019 @ 00:32am


Will N.,

You have made your return. We are certainly Back to Rock like we talked about a month ago. I don't know that much about King Crimson as compared to Enig. King Crimson and Jethro Tull are both on my nominees list. I do actually know more about Procol Harum. I don't own any albums of Procol Harum other than the Greatest Hits. Salty Dog and Whiskey Train are 2 of my favs. As far as King Crimson, Robert Fripp is a bit of a genius. I own Elephant Talk from the Discipline album I think. This came after the reformation in the 80s. I don't know a lot of their stuff. It's good hearing from you.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/19/2019 @ 06:29am


Will N.,

You have made your return. We are certainly Back to Rock like we talked about a month ago. I don't know that much about King Crimson as compared to Enig. King Crimson and Jethro Tull are both on my nominees list. I do actually know more about Procol Harum. I don't own any albums of Procol Harum other than the Greatest Hits. Salty Dog and Whiskey Train are 2 of my favs. As far as King Crimson, Robert Fripp is a bit of a genius. I own Elephant Talk from the Discipline album I think. This came after the reformation in the 80s. I don't know a lot of their stuff. It's good hearing from you.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/19/2019 @ 06:29am


Will N.,

I was about to take an Hiatus for the Summer. A Day Ago Enig convinced me to stay. He said that a Summer Hiatus deprives this Forum. I am Very Flattered. And Now You jumped on with a Post. We are in the same Age Group. You said Yu are slightly older. Even if you are around 59 we are the Same Age Group. Hey I enjoyed Fleetwood M Rumours in its original Era. Steve Miller Band, Heart. Supertramp, Pink Floyd, Steely Dan, Joe Walsh, Gr Dead, E Clapton on and on. Good Era. We’ve discussed this.

So in my Last Post I said Jethro Tull and King Crimson are On my Nominee list. Some others I can Mention are Kraftwerk, Marvelettes, Todd Rundgren, the Smiths and the Spinners. There is a slice of my List. Some if they know me well Enough May be surprised by my Kraftwerk Choice. I DO NOT like Electronic music at alll. But I have learned to include acts that Do NOT like Kraftwerk. It is my Electro music Choice. I am figuring on them as the Electro nominee. The others mentioned have a Good Chance tooo.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/19/2019 @ 11:06am


Looking at Jeff Ament’s snub list right now.

Brian Eno
Can
Buzzcocks
The Cars (inducted in 2018)
Slayer
Faith No More
Fela Kuti
Alice In Chains
Flipper
Gang of Four
Grand Funk Railroad
Guided By Voices
Mötley Crüe (Will get inducted in 2020)
Hüsker Dü
Iron Maiden
Jane's Addiction
Joe Jackson
New York Dolls
B-52s
Jonathon Richman
Kate Bush
King Crimson
Duran Duran (Will get inducted in 2020)
Love
Lenny Kravitz
The Cult
Dinosaur Jr.
King Diamond
Minor Threat
Minutemen
Misfits
The Monkees
Motörhead
Mountain
Mudhoney
Nick Cave
Nina Simone (inducted in 2018)
Nine Inch Nails (Could get inducted in 2020)
PJ Harvey
Richard Hell
T. Rex
Roxy Music (inducted in 2019)
Judas Priest
The Sonics
Soundgarden (Could get inducted in 2020)
Steppenwolf
The Damned
Hipgnosis
Thin Lizzy
Waterboys
Bad Brains
Dead Kennedys
Bauhaus
The Replacements
Pixies
The Black Crowes
Black Flag
Big Star
Billy Idol
Björk
Bon Jovi (inducted in 2018)
Smashing Pumpkins
Blue Öyster Cult
Pil
Melvins
Fugazi
Dio
Elliott Smith
Psychedelic Furs
X
Free
New Order
Tom Waits (previously inducted in 2011)
Emerson, Lake & Palmer (Will get inducted in 2021)
The Jam
The Smiths
Descendents
Kraftwerk
Sonic Youth
Todd Rundgren (Could get inducted in 2020)
Ted Nugent
The Cure (inducted in 2019)
MC5
Captain Beefheart
Warren Zevon
Link Wray
Weather Report
Devo
Flaming Lips
Nick Drake
Harry Nilsson
Neu!
Chad Channing
Sweet
Raymond Pettibon
Oasis
Bad Company

So far, six of them made it. But if we get ten acts next year in order for the Hall to play catch-up more quickly (which they should), then that could be eleven in total.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 06/19/2019 @ 11:19am


Enig,

I have cancelled my Summer Hiatus on here. But I will be on here less due to extra Work that tires me out and Family clerical that must be done. I am getting the Estate of my Dad running. I will try for once a week during the summer. Until August when we all start Unleashing more final lists for 2020. Nobody on here will be deprived of my input. I shared about my Prog choices. I like my share of Prog but keep in mind I love some Blues rock and lots of other rock too.

There is isn't much response on my Blood,Sweat & Tears pick.I think it's a noble pick. Devo is one of my more interesting ones. My list is certainly NOT final. I will be fiddling with it.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/19/2019 @ 16:45pm


Dude,

I thought maybe that was the Silent Generation. Both my parents were born in the 1930s. My Mom was born in France with No American music at all I will focus on my Dad. He was an All American guy from Brooklyn. He was born in 1931. He was a small child all through the Great Depression. He was in Grade School during World War II. My Dad was a very fine Dad and he passed away last year in Sept 2018. It's been hard on me and my Only brother.

Is my Dad of the Silent Generation? Keep in mind he was born Nov. 1931. He remembers FDR. He loved Big Band like Benny Goodman for awhile. I gave my Dad an 80th Birthday in 2011. I was in charge of the music. The party had some Classical, Some Big Band and a lot of Bing Crosby,Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie. He liked Elvis when he first he hit in 1956. My Dad was born in the Early 30s. This may even precede the Silent Generation. Let me know. I will hold off on telling the music of my Dad. I'm glad you defined that. People of the Silent Generation did like Neil Diamond then in the late 60s based on that.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/20/2019 @ 05:31am


@ Ben

Yep, both of your parents came from that generation. My grandma from my dad’s family was one too. There are a lot of silent gen inductees in the Hall from Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis to the Moody Blues and the Zombies.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 06/20/2019 @ 08:28am


Dude,

I was going to say that my Dad disliked All Rock 1963 and On BUT that’s Not True actually. First I will say that at the same time as Elvis He loved Doris Day. She has NO Connection to RnR. My Dad liked Surfin USA Beach Boys. My Dad watched Ed Sullivan every week from about 1957-1966. He told me He saw The Beach Boys on Ed Sullivan in 1963. He said many times that a some of those Crooners on Ed Sullivan were Boring Elvis imitators but The Beach Boys had some spark with that song Surfin USA.

In 1964 of course the whole World Changed with the Beatles. My Dad And my Mom(more Reluctantly) saw the Beatles debut on the Ed Sullivan Show. My Dad was 32 and saw them as a Bunch Of Punks BUT said it was different and better than the Elvis imitators. My Dad didn’t mind I WANT to Hold Your Hand, She Loved You And some others in 1964. My Dads favorite hit of 1964 was Hello Dolly. You can Google Who it is. BUT he did NOT Mind the Beatles or DAVE CLARK FIVE. He also DID NOT mind Bob Dylan. He loved the One song Times are Changin. In 1965 my Dad heard other British groups like the Searchers and Herman’s Hermits. He still listened to Popular Radio in 1965. He loved the Song Yesterday Beatles. My Dad Did HATE The Rolling Stones when they first Emerged And always held the Hatred to the Stones as Well as Donovan,Kinks, Animals. Soo my Dad turned his back on Popular Radio. Starting in 1966 my Dad was mostly just CLASSICAL MUSIC. His ORIGINAL LOVE. So it is accurate about the Silent Generation. He had NO idea about any Rock starting in 1967 and he HATED THE hippies. My Dad was similar Slightly To Clint Eastwood who also HATED HIPPIES

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/20/2019 @ 17:51pm


And so in fact my Dad liked some Rock up to 1965. He even liked a hit by Simon & Garfunkel in 1966 he liked 2 hits by Mamas and Papas. He mentioned them a few Times. Also It is true there are some Silent Gen Inductees. There is Elvis, Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis as well as Dave Clark Five and the Zombies. Not sure what to say about Moody Blues. My Dad Knew nothing about them. My Dad was 35 by the Time the Moody’s Rose to Fame In 1967. But that’s Just my Dad. Those of the Silent Generation Born In 1938 or 39 as Example May have known some Moody Blues.Case In Point Jack Nicholson starred in some Psychedelic movies in the Late 60s And was in Easy Rider. In Fact BOB DYLAN was originally part of the Silent Generation. Bob D was born in 1941 I think. Point well made Dude

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/20/2019 @ 18:56pm


@ Ben

Those are some very interesting stuff about your Dad’s taste in music, and there some things I’m not surprised about. I knew a decent amount of guys from that generation who love everything about the 60’s musically even though some of them don’t like certain hippie stereotypes. Most of the inducted members of the Moodies are the Silenters, since they were part of the British Invasion movement before jumping on the psychedelic bandwagon and became one of the earliest prog bands.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 06/20/2019 @ 21:37pm


Also it is Emotional writing this about my Dad. He passed away in September at 86 years old and was a great influence on the Whole family. I heard his stories my whole life and even a year ago. He liked a lot of music. His Top fav are Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Bing Crosby. Louis Armstrong, Charlie PArker and Elvis but did hold Out listening to hits until about 1965 when he was disgusted with the Rolling Stones.

However is just one member of the Silent Generation. There is plenty of Silent Generation people born in 1941. 42. They are younger than my Dad. I had a friend's Mom born around that time. She was heavily into Peter,Paul and Mary,Bob Dylan, Simon and Garfunkel and possibly the Turtles during the 60s. This fine mother was in her early 20s when Bob D hit big in 1965. So some Silent generation people were more liberal especially those younger of that generation

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/20/2019 @ 23:10pm


Dude,

That is a good point you make about most of the inducted members of the Moody Blues. Justin Hayward is a Baby Boomer BUT Graeme Edge, Mike Pinder and the late Ray Thomas are all Silenters, Those 3 were all born around 1941. Other Silenters in the Hall. Well clearly and rather obviously Elvis,Chuck Berry, Little Richard and the other 50s acts are Silenters. Most of the Inducted members of the Band, Frank Zappa and Paul Simon are all Silenters. Paul Simon was born in 1941 just to put focus for a minute on him. He attended Queens College that I attended. Paul Simon graduated from Queens College in 1963. In 1964 Simon & Garfunkel got an audition with Columbia Records. They received a lot of attention for Sounds of Silence. It went to #1 and recorded 4 more albus as soo many of us know.

Why did I bother with a small history of Paul Simon. He is a key Silenter with success. This supports your post about a lot of silent gen inductees. I know a lot about Paul Simon who was key in the 60s era. Thats it for me on Posts of this topic on the Silent Generation

Posted by Ben on Friday, 06/21/2019 @ 06:41am


Amendment to the "Wrote no songs/enlisted outside help" list: (Thanks!)

Elvis Presley
Jerry Lee Lewis
The Coasters
Aretha Franklin
Clyde McPhatter
Ricky Nelson
Jackie Wilson
The Supremes
The Temptations
The Four Tops
The Platters
LaVern Baker
Sam & Dave
Etta James
Martha and the Vandellas
The Shirelles
The Jackson 5
Dusty Springfield
Solomon Burke
Brenda Lee
The Righteous Brothers
The Ronettes
Little Anthony and the Imperials
Jeff Beck
Darlene Love
Linda Ronstadt
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
Joan Baez

Posted by Follower on Friday, 06/21/2019 @ 14:36pm


Here's a small list of the living Hall of Famers who are the Greatest/GI Generation; a cohort born between the early 1900's to the late 20's before the Great Depression started. While I'm not sure the late Doris Day is Hall material as an Early Influence and the late comic book legend Stan Lee wasn't a figure in music, but their deaths had made me check the current population of their generation. Almost all of them are in their 90's and some are in their 100's. Despite the rapid decline, there are remarkably some left.

Al Rex (90)
Tom Devito (91)
Mo Ostin (92)
Dick Richards (95)
Dave Bartholomew (100)
Art Rupe (101)

Lemme know if I'm missing anyone.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 06/21/2019 @ 16:46pm


Dude,

The list above is accurate. Those seem to be the only living Hall of Famers of the GI Generation. That term is Brand new to me. I at least heave heard of the Silent Generation.

I just want to share that you amazing posts about the Silent Generation got me thinking about my Dad all over again. I grieved for at least 2 month. I have told many about his tragic passing. But a less known story is the final 2 months and final morning of my Dad. First up I will say he was sharp to the end. A stand up guy you can always Chat with as if he was 46 NOT 86.

In July 2018 a full 2 months before tragedy I told my Dad I would make a playlist of his oldies 1954-1955 for I pod. I did. I googled the era. I played the Kay Starr, Sh Boom and the PLatters over and over. We, especially my Dad got sick of the same tunes. In August I planned a Vol 2 playlist. We got busy. I made the Daddy Oldies Vol 2 at Labor Day.

Sept. 12 morning I brought the list to my Dad's place. He said put it on. Oldies 1956-1959. Hound Dog Elvis 1956 came pounding through. He was singing and snapping his finger. Also Don't Be Cruel. He loved ELvis in 1956. Other hits played. Dean Martin,Singing the Blues, At the Hop and others of 1957. Everly Brothers,Doris Day and other hits of 1958. He said those were terrific songs of his youth. I told him I would play him favs from the 1960s he would know. i left for work.

At 5 PM there was an Medical Emergency of my Dad. He was rushed to Hospital. My Dad died that night on Sept. 12, 2018! After his passing in his honor I made 5 playlists of his music. The Classical the Big Band, Louis Armstrong, The Elvis, Deann Martin, and all I just told you. And also a Volume of his 60s favs. It was posthumous. 1960. The Twist,etc. 1961 Lion Sleeps Tonight,etc. 1962. 1963. Then 1964 with the Beatles. I Want to Hold Your Hand, She Loves You and Can't Buy me Love. Also Hello Dolly,Walk on By and others hits of 1965. 1965 was the last year of my tribute series. And that was my homage to my Dad of the Silent Generation.You may please respond. I went back to my own time of Music in late Nov. Dire Straits, Jeff Beck, GnR, Def Leppard. You know. The music my Dad totally HAted. DO RESpond.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 06/22/2019 @ 06:46am


@ Ben

It’s a very common thing to have last moments with parents and grandparents at a certain old age before death, and the way how you show respect and dedication to your dad was done brilliantly. It kinda reminded what one of my aunts did as a tribute to me and my older sister on Christmas Day when I was a teen but it’s quite. She made a playlist of songs that were big hits on the year I was born and gave me a burned CD of it, including Alice In Chain’s “Man In The Box” and Billy Idol’s “Cradle of Love.”

I’m really glad we’re having a good talk about the generations before the Boomers; the reason I’ve mentioned them is to figure things out on what kind of benefits they could possibly do with the Hall right now and when to expect the next few shifts. Once the GI generation and Silenters are no longer around at some point, it’ll be interesting to see what kind of legacies they would leave with a good note like if it was the final gift from them.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 06/22/2019 @ 10:34am


All this talk of Silent Generation inductees and no mention of all three 27 club members and all four Beatles were Silent Generation?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 06/22/2019 @ 11:15am


@ Follower

True, but the Beatles are a very obvious and notable group of their generation along with The Stones, The Who, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin and many others.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 06/22/2019 @ 11:21am


FRL Regulars.
Here's something to enrich your Saturday. Comparing a Possible Inductee 2019-2020 Cycle Duran Duran with an Inductee The Hollies.
1. Eraser Test-Duran Duran
2. Comparison Test-Duran Duran
3. Immediate Response Test-Duran Duran
4. Vocalization-Duran Duran or The Hollies.
5. Vocal Harmony-Duran Duran or The Hollies
6. Instrumentation Quality-Duran Duran or The Hollies
7. Hit Songs Or Top 100 Records-Duran Duran or The Hollies.
8. Innovation-Duran Duran or The Hollies
9. Influence-Duran Duran or The Hollies
10. Strength Of Albums-Duran Duran or The Hollies
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 06/22/2019 @ 15:33pm


King,

I'll play along

Not gonna do the three tests thing, cause I'm not exactly sure what they are, but for the rest....

4. Vocalization- The Hollies
5. Vocal Harmony- The Hollies
6. Instrumentation- Duran Duran
7. Hit Songs or Top 100 Records: Duran Duran (see below for breakdown on the US Charts between both groups)
8. Innovation: Duran Duran
9. Influence: Duran Duran
10. Strength of Albums: Duran Duran
11. Longevity: Duran Duran

Final Opinion: Duran Duran


Now for the breakdown on the US charts...

The Hollies

24 Top 100 Singles
12 Top 40 Singles
6 Top 10 Singles
2 Top 5 Singles
Highest Charting Single: Long Cool Woman (In a Black Dress) (1972) (#2)

4 Top 40 Albums
Highest Charting Album: The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1967) (#11)


Duran Duran

21 Top 100 Singles
15 Top 40 singles
11 Top 10 singles
9 Top 5 singles
2 No. 1 singles ("The Reflex" and "A View to Kill")

12 Top 40 Albums
Highest Charting Album: Arena (1984) (#4)

Posted by Donnie on Saturday, 06/22/2019 @ 16:16pm


From a personal standpoint regarding my lists, Duran Duran is also higher.

Duran Duran appears on my 200 Favorite Artists of All-Time list at No. 121. The Hollies are not on that list.

The Hollies have one song on my 500 Favorite Songs of the 1970's list..

The Air That I Breathe (1974) (#94 on the list)


Duran Duran has 3 songs on my 300 Favorite Songs of the 1980's list..

"Girls on Film" (1981) (#292 on the list)
"The Reflex" (1983) (#95 on the list)
"Hungry Like the Wolf" (#31 on the list)

Duran Duran has 2 songs on my 500 Favorite Songs of the 90's list..

"Come Undone" (1993) (#452 on the list)
"Ordinary World" (1993) (#25 on the list)

Posted by Donnie on Saturday, 06/22/2019 @ 16:33pm


DONNIE
Thanks for playing along. Duran Duran appears to be a strong candidate for the RRHOF this cycle 2019-2020 or in the near future. Sometimes, a candidate's strength can be seen head to head vs. a recent RRHOF candidate. I think The Nom Comm will go with Depeche Mode instead of Duran Duran in 2019-2020 cycle. Others have Duran Duran this year. I have Duran Duran in the 2020-2021 cycle. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 06/22/2019 @ 16:48pm


On a limited scale for me:

The Hollies have 2 songs that are iconically theirs to me: "Bus Stop" and of course one of my faves "Long Cool Woman".

Duran Duran has at least 4 songs off the top of my head that are on my faves without comprising a list: A View to A Kill, Save a Prayer, Union of the Snake, and Is There Something I Should Know. And that's just ones I thought of on the fly.

In my limited scale, Duran Duran is worthy by far. The Hollies are a great group on their own.

Just a quick perspective

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 06/22/2019 @ 16:58pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

What are your current predictions for the 2020 Rock Hall ballot?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 06/23/2019 @ 11:44am


Richie
Here's a quick 25 I have been considering. Probably the Final 20 on this list. 👑
1. Depeche Mode 16.The Sonics
2. Bryan Adams. 17.The Spinners
3. The Eurythmics 18.Bad Company
4. Motley Crue. 19.Rufus/Chaka
5. Jane's Addiction 20.WAR
6. Morrissey. 21.Black Crowes
7. Iron Maiden. 22. Husker Du
8. Tina Turner. 23. T. Rex
9. Blue Oyster Cult 24.X
10. Kool & The Gang 25.Ian Hunter
11. Alice In Chains
12. Procol Harum
13. RATM
14. Gloria Estefan & MSM
15. Judas Priest
KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 06/23/2019 @ 15:21pm


@ Richie

Expect this year's nominees to look like this.

Cher
Motley Crue
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
Duran Duran
B-52’s
Jethro Tull
John Prine
New York Dolls
Notorious BIG
War
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
Todd Rundgren
Beck
Nine Inch Nails
The Go-Go’s

Who would win the ballot?

Cher
Motley Crue
Rage Against The Machine
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Notorious BIG
Soundgarden (If room for seven)
Todd Rundgren (If room for eight)
Dionne Warrick (If room for nine)
NIN (If room for ten)

A band I’d love to see them get a nomination this year as a wishful thinking but won’t happen: Korn

It's also possible they tweak it a bit by giving a spin with another 70's glam rock band like T.Rex or Mott The Hoople rather than the Dolls. My prediction is mostly based on the recent nominees and the winners who made it from the last two years. I’ve decided to add the Go’s-Go’s on the list, since there’s been rumors about them being nominated and also due to the high demands for more women.

Just to give you guys a fun fact: Motley actually had a female drummer at one point when Tommy Lee wasn’t with them back in the early 2000’s.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 06/23/2019 @ 15:24pm


I'm not often one to do this, but I will offer my way-too-early-to-tell nominees list for 2019/20:

1. Jethro Tull
2. Depeche Mode
3. The Spinners
4. Kraftwerk
5. Bad Company
6. Whitney Houston
7. Pat Benatar
8. The Monkees
9. Kate Bush
10. Alice in Chains
11. Duran Duran
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Rage Against the Machine
14. Beck
15. Foreigner
16. The Eurythmics
17. Motley Crue
18. Todd Rundgren

This is very much subject to change. I believe that they will skip a year or two of hip hop, although a Snoop, Outkast, or Biggie nom would not surprise me.

Two takeaways, apart from the obvious Jethro Tull/Kraftwerk are criminally underrecognized point

One, now that the Cure is in, expect a full-blown push for New Wave, as it finally has come time to recognize their significance, and without New Wave, you don't have any of the rock music that was shaped in the 90s. So the 2 "D" bands (Depeche and Duran Duran) very well may go in together, or one this and one next voting cycle. Kate Bush, the Eurythmics, even Midnight Oil had crossed my mind as getting nominated this time. I think it will take over as the hall's obsession du jour

Secondly, I mentioned NIN will get an nomination this year after a brief absence; I expect they will get inducted this time, as they are the real pioneer behind the "nu metal", whatever you want to call it, they were the first real Internet rock superstar.

And, expect Whitney to get the pop slot, if not Tina Turner or Cher even, but if Janet went in last year, it'd be great to see Whitney get her due, it's been almost 7 years since she left us, and her voice WAS the 80s.

Kraftwerk and Jethro Tull are my slam dunks at this point. I have some others in mind, but I'll keep them close to the vest.

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 06/23/2019 @ 17:46pm


I wonder if FRL has every considered this concept call page breaks lol. This is a ginormous page

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 06/23/2019 @ 17:47pm


It's too soon for me to post predictions. I'll post one in August. Until then I will post a dream ballot very soon.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 06/23/2019 @ 19:46pm


richie,

If I were to speculate on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Doobie Brothers
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. The Spinners
11. The Monkees
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Iron Maiden
14. Twisted Sister
15. Depeche Mode
16. Eurythmics
17. Rage Against The Machine
18. OutKast
19. Soundgarden
20. Pat Benatar
21. Cher


Of course, Let’s be honest, the Rock Hall does not include enough female artists. In deference to Eric Layton Of E-Rockracy and his wife Mary Of “Induct Dennis Wilson” and their opinions about inducting more female artists: I am very much in favor of this, especially where Pat Benatar, Sade, Cher, Carole King and Tina Turner (as a solo artist) are concerned. Two months ago, I had listed several female artists, with regards to Evelyn McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.” .
On their second episode of their brilliant new podcast: “Hallwatchers,” Mary and Eric had elucidated many artists who they had felt deserved induction, please check it out. I would not be opposed to either a nomination for Grace Jones, or the late Patsy Cline either.

I am referencing my older lists, In deference to Evelyn McDonnell, Kristen Studard and Joe Kwaczala’s most recent “Who Cares About The Rock Hall Podcast.”

Shrek & Philip,

I agree with you, however I was attempting to include only 100% female acts, in deference to Evelyn McDonnell’s article,
“The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.“ I think that a more likely scenario would be to include acts whose lead singer/songwriter/composer are female and whose other members may be male. Unlike men, ladies do not seem to form that many all female bands. Most of the artists on my list were solo artists. Now, a more realistic scenario would be to include more female acts on subsequent nomination lists. Of course, I would include Sade, because I feel that they represent an act whose lead singer/songwriter/composer is female, but the other members are male. Also, a 100% female ballot would be a very tough sell to most of the voting public. So, let’s look at a hybrid list of male and female acts who might appear on the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominee’s List, instead after the original list:


Regarding Evelyn McDonnell’s article, “The Manhandling Of Rock ‘N’ Roll History.”

Yes, I do believe that more female artists should be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I am not as likely to vote for the Go-Gos, as I would The Bangles. I am much more likely to vote for Carly Simon and Carole King, then I am The Runaways. If the unthinkable did actually happen, i.e. a completely female ballot, it might look somewhat like this:

01. The Bangles
02. Carly Simon
03. Carole King
04. Tina Turner
05. Kate Bush
06. Sheryl Crow
07. k. d. lang
08. Melissa Etheridge
09. Shania Twain
10. Björk
11. Tori Amos
12. Martina McBride
13. Whitney Houston
14. Dionne Warwick
15. TLC
16. Salt n Pepa
17. Queen Latifah
18. The Go-Gos
19. The Runaways
20. Cher

Unfortunately, it would exclude Sade due to 4 of their male members, The Eurythmics, The Carpenters, etc.

Therefore, a more realistic scenario would be a hybrid of the two. A list which looks more like this:

01. Sade
02. Sheryl Crow
03. Tori Amos
04. The Bangles
05. Carly Simon
06. Duran Duran
07. Jethro Tull
08. Procol Harum
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. Carole King
11. Doobie Brothers
12. Carpenters
13. Beck
14. OutKast
15. Kraftwerk
16. Eurythmics
17. Depeche Mode
18. Smashing Pumpkins
19. Nine Inch Nails
20. Pixies
21. Cher

Well, what do you think?

Even more unlikely would be a complete list of all hybrid male/female artists whose lead singer is female, in addition to solo female artists and all female bands:

01. Sade
02. Renaissance
03. Missing Persons
04. No Doubt
05. Eurythmics
06. Carpenters
07. Carly Simon
08. Carole King
09. Tina Turner
10. Cher
11. k.d. lang
12. Tori Amos
13. TLC
14. Salt ‘n’ Pepa
15. Queen Latifah
16. Shania Twain
17. Sheryl Crow
18. The Bangles
19. The Go-Gos


Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04.2.19 @ 10:40am

Well, what do you think?



Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 06/23/2019 @ 22:17pm


I am making adjustments in my list. Dude and others have Nine Inch Nails on their lists. I am adding them. I am NOT a fan of NIN. In fact in 1991 or so they were part of a new generation of Rock artists. I once saw a Video of head Like a Hole and was horrified. It was a bit much for a previous rock who grew up on Steely Dan, E Clapton, Van Halen, Journey etc etc.

Having said that Nine Inch Nails have been eligible for awhile. Due to Trent Reznor's appearance at this years ceremony It is very possible NIN will be nominated. Heyy the Hall is Not just for me. Just so you know I like some big 90s names like Pearl Jam,Soundgarden, Dave Matthews Band, Blue Traveller and Phish among others.

Also going back to the 1960s. I fold on Blood,Sweat & Tears. It does NOT seem like anyone will argue about this. They are Not on any other list. They are only on mine. In thinking it over I replace them with the Monkees. There is much more a buzz on them.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/24/2019 @ 05:59am


Also, I am Not posting another list until August. I will Not have my usual hiatus. There is Enig and some others Id say that want me to stay on. But No more lists until August. I will say though besides adding NIN and zilching Blood,Sweat & Tears I expect to add Duran Duran.I did Not originally have enough 80s acts on my list. Duran Duran will solve that. K Dawg has them and certainly EnigmaticusDoes. Not bad for an Old Classic rock fan like me.

I have to face facts the Doors were inducted in 1993. The Band, Grateful Dead and Elton John in 94. Thats a long time ago. Times change and so acts like Devo,Duran Duran, Eurythmics and Tina Turner are the way to go among others. With names like that I don't think I will be accused of being Just Classic Rock. Devo for instance have hardly ever been played on Classic Rock station. I know Girl Yu Want

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/24/2019 @ 08:43am


Ben,

Could the buzz on the Monkees have to do with Peter Tork's recent passing after already losing Davy Jones a few years back, in addition to Mike Nesmith's health problems? I think they realize they need to get the Monkees in there some way while there's still a couple alive, because they did have more of a recognizable presence due to their TV show...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 06/24/2019 @ 13:00pm


K-Dawg,

Wow You know what I was Not even thinking of the Peter Tork's passing. There has been a buzz on the Monkees to go in the Hall at least 5 years. Peter Tork was alive 2014. I was hesitant to list the Monkees because they were formed for a TV show. I do think they are a stronger choice than my Blood,Sweat & Tears. As great as they were 1968-1972 they Blood,Sweat & Tears the Monkees have a much more recognizable career.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/25/2019 @ 04:41am


Monkees not (likely never) happening- neither are BS&T...
#notenoughmoneyforHBO
#noazoffconnection

Posted by KXB on Tuesday, 06/25/2019 @ 07:14am


@ Ben

I think the reason both the Monkees and Blood, Sweat and Tears aren't in the Hall cause both of them lack power staying. If they knew more how to adapt within the music industry, they would be in right now. I think the Monkees have a better shot at some point than BSAT; they maybe formed for a TV show but they were truly a 60's touchstone when it comes to music and pop culture.

I think the way they promoted their music on the small screen was done uniquely and influenced other people in the television industry to work with other acts in music. I'm not sure who founded MTV, but It's possible one or a handful of guys is/are a fan(s) of the Monkess. And course, you had a lot of former Disney/Nickelodeon stars who started their music and acting careers on television when they were kids.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 06/25/2019 @ 16:58pm


I thought of a Good pick of the 1960s that is NOT the Monkees or Blood,Sweat & Tears. The Guess Who are more likely than either. The Guess Who ere great 1965-1975. And they have a recognizable career. This group found international success from the late 1960s through Mid-70s

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/26/2019 @ 06:05am


Ben, agree with you that The Guess Who are certainly more deserving of induction than The Monkees or BS&T.

One of Canada's greatest bands.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 06/26/2019 @ 07:20am


BEN
You should keep your Blood, Sweat, & Tears pick. Nobody really knows the selections this cycle. Few had John Prine last year. Some of my left field picks hit including Los Lobos and Peter Gabriel over the last cycles. I'm thinking about Eddie Money $, Morrissey, and The Sonics this cycle although few would have them on their lists. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 06/26/2019 @ 18:24pm


King,

Really, is that right? You think I should keep my Blood,Sweat & Tears pick. Here's the thing. The Guess Who is kind of Left field for the Hall too. Yes,No Maybe? WHich would be more expected between B,S & T or the Guess Who? The answer you give would mean I go for the other. If Blood,Sweat& Tears is less expected I will keep that pick. I didn't think about the left field thing. Great point about John Prine, Los Lobos and Peter Gabriel. I after all never picked those.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 06/28/2019 @ 06:03am


This post is for Ben, King, Enig, K-Dawg, Greg. F, and Richie

Here's a list of the most certified bands in America who are not in the Hall with the inclusion of singles and video albums. I also added the future eligibles too. It's a fun, little method to see who will get inducted in the future. Commercial success may not equate quality and it may not always be the case, but it does connect people and increases the demand.

I'm not expecting all them to make it years from now; just wanna see how much your mind has been blown. Once a handful of them make it per year, I'll scratch 'em off.

Maroon 5- 79.5 Million
Linkin Park- 63.6 Million
Alabama- 46.8 Million
Foreigner- 45.5 Million
Twenty One Pilots- 44.5 Million
Panic! At the Disco- 36.5 Million
Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million
Fall Out Boy- 33 Million
Boston- 31 Million
Imagine Dragons- 30 Million
The Carpenters- 29.6 Million
Coldplay- 28.6 Million
Nickelback- 28.3 Million
Motley Crue- 26.3 Million
REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
Creed- 26 Million
Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
3 Doors Down- 24.5 Million
Sade- 23.5 Million
OneRepublic- 23.5 Million
Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million
The Doobie Brothers- 22 Million
Paramore- 22 Million
Fun- 22 Million
Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million
The Fray- 20 Million
Three Days Grace- 20 Million
Kansas- 18.5 Million
Mumford & Sons- 18 Million
The Monkees- 18 Million
Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
Styx- 17.5 Million
Korn- 17.25 Million
Limp Bizkit- 17 Million
Bad Company- 16.650 Million
Disturbed- 16.5 Million
Shinedown - 16.050 Million
INXS- 16 Million
Wings- 16 Million
Poison- 15.750 Million
No Doubt- 15.6 Million
Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million
Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million
The Offspring- 15 Million
The Cranberries- 15 Million
Evanescence- 14.5 Million
Hall & Oates- 14 Million*
Duran Duran- 14 Million
My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
Toto - 13.5 Million
Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
Breaking Benjamin- 13 Million
Counting Crows- 13 Million
Skillet- 13 Million
Whitesnake- 12.650 Million
The Killers- 12.6 Million
Survivor- 12.5 Million
Blink 182- 12.1 Million
Depeche Mode- 12 Million
Live- 12 Million
Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million
Savage Garden- 11.5 Million
Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
Loverboy- 11 Million
Nine Inch Nails- 11 Million
Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
Owl City- 11 Million
Three Dog Night- 11 Million
MercyMe- 10.6 Million
Godsmack- 10.6 Million
38 Special- 10.5 Million
Florence and the Machine- 10.5 Million
Bush- 10.5 Million
Muse- 10.5 Million
Men at Work- 10.5 Million
Slipknot- 10.2 Million
Staind- 10.050 Million
Sublime- 10 Million
The Black Keys- 10 Million
Scorpions- 9.6 Million
Air Supply- 9.5 Million
Tool- 9.3 Million
Rage Against the Machine- 9.3 Million
Goo Goo Dolls- 9.1 Million
5 Seconds of Summer- 9 Million
System of the Down- 9 million
Soundgarden- 9 Million
Ratt- 9 Million
Daughtry- 9 Million
Bread- 9 Million
Bastille- 8.5 Million
Foster the People- 8.5 Million
Gym Class Heroes- 8.5 Million
Skid Row- 8.1 Million
Weezer- 8.050 Million
Hinder- 8 Million
America- 8 Million
Collective Soul- 8 Million
Plain White T's- 8 Million
Of Monster & Men- 8 Million
10,000 Maniacs- 8 Million
Megadeth- 7.950 Million
Iron Maiden- 7.9 Million
The Black Crows- 7.6 Million
311- 7.750 Million
Blood, Sweat & Tears- 7.5 Million
B-52's- 7.5 Million
Third Eye Blind- 7.5 Million
Awolnation- 7.5 Million
Jefferson Starship- 7.5 Million
Supertramp- 7.5 Million
Kool & the Gang- 7.5 Million
Pantera- 7.350 Million
Quiet Riot- 7 Million
Eurythmics- 7 Million
Cinderella- 7 Million
The Bangles- 6.55 Million
Telsa- 6.5 Million
Incubus- 6.5 Million
Snow Patrol- 6.5 Million
The Oasis- 6.5 Million
Tears for Fears- 6.5 Million
War- 6.5 Million
Good Charlotte- 6.5 Million
The Lumineers- 6.5 Million
Seether - 6 Million
Queensrÿche- 6 million
Foghat- 6 Million
Steppenwolf- 5.5 Million
Hoobastank- 5.5 Million
Phish- 5.5 Million
Five Finger Death Punch- 5.5 Million
Twisted Sister- 5.5 Million
Audioslave- 5.150 Million
Puddle of Mudd- 5 Million
Warrant- 5 Million
Papa Roach- 5 Million
Avenged Sevenfold- 5 Million
Buckcherry- 5 Million
Asia- 5 Million
Yellowcard- 5 Million
The Alan Parsons Project- 5 Million
Smash Mouth- 5 Million

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 06/28/2019 @ 11:21am


Still have to peruse that entire list, but 21 Pilots and Imagine Dragons (to a lesser extent) that high are shocking. For bands that have only been popular the last 5 years or so...one could say "damn the Internet" lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 06/28/2019 @ 13:57pm


@ K-Dawg

If both the Pilots and the Dragons were eligible right now, their fans would destroy the kiosk at the Hall.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 06/28/2019 @ 14:17pm


Dude

I have an important correction of your list. It’s mostly correct. But Hall & Oates has already been inducted. Hall & Oates was Inducted in 2014. They were sandwiched between the East Street Band with an Hour Long Segment And Nirvana. They Hall wanted to represent 80s pop that year. 2014 is more known for the Inductions of Kiss and Nirvana. I watched that Ceremony. They played You Make my Dreams

Posted by Ben on Friday, 06/28/2019 @ 14:19pm


@ Ben

Thanks for the correction! I thought I didn't include those guys at first, but forgot to scratch them off.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 06/28/2019 @ 14:25pm


It would also be nice if you posted the list without the acts that aren't old enough yet.

So Alabama is the most successful band that's old enough. But they are a country group. (They're in the Country Hall!)


So Froeigner is the most successful rock group that is old enough.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 06/29/2019 @ 00:08am


I'd be curious to know where Boyz II Men would be on that list. I'd vote for Boyz II Men over Foreigner any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 06/29/2019 @ 01:08am


I have to point out something that caught my eye. Nickelback, arguably the most maligned rock band in history, is pretty high up. Their first album, Curb, was released in 1996. They are eligible in 2021. Despite them having 2 amazing songs (Never Again, the anti-domestic abuse anthem; and Rockstar, which was an instant classic when it came out), I don't see them getting in maybe within 10-15 years.

And, although Fallout Boy is high up in sales and their first album came out in 03...ummm...never?

Random musings, but very interesting list of a lot of groups who really are popular but not critically acclaimed

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 06/29/2019 @ 04:40am


@ Philip

Boyz II Men certification total is 35 million. This list I posted yesterday is more based on the traditional definition of the word "band" musically- not vocal groups.

I really appreciate the feedbacks and suggestions from you guys.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 06/29/2019 @ 10:24am


Dude,

I do appreciate the entire list. It does give us some perspective around what are the hot trends contemporarily in addition to who isn't in the RRHOF.

Pop-wise, there is going to be a glut of people screaming for Backstreet and Nsync in the next few years. I say baby steps and let Whitney and Mariah in and see how things go. One way or the other, Justin Timberlake will be in one day

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 06/29/2019 @ 13:54pm


@K-Dawg

No problem, and you do have a good point about boy bands like the Backstreet Boys cause they have big potential to be kiosk winners once they become eligible soon. But for me, the late and great George Micheal should be inducted at some point first other than Whitney and Mariah- and just to give y'all the certification total of the Backstreet and NSYNC.

Backstreet Boys- 44.9 Million
NSYNC- 27.5 Million

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 06/29/2019 @ 15:16pm


@ Dude,

You missed out on Blue Oyster Cult in your # of sales listing. 24 million worldwide, with 7 million sales in United States. Not including singles, "Don't Fear the Reaper", #12 Billboard Hot 100, and "Burnin' For You". Thanks..

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 06/29/2019 @ 21:44pm


To Dude,

Hey, I really love your sales list. I've found that information slightly difficult to come by. The BOC #'s was listed on wiki, but not all artists sales info is listed. Chart position, yes. I see you have The Carpenters, Bread, and America listed, all notable 70's contemporary artists, but not John Denver, who had quite a stream of hits in the 70's also. I would probably estimate his sales at over 10 million, but I could not find the total. Only that the "Take me Home, Country Roads" single, was at 2.5 million+. Do you have the total sales #'s for John Denver? I would be interested, Thanks, so much..

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 06/29/2019 @ 22:22pm


@ Will N.

Thanks for the reply and suggestions. BOC’s certification total in America is four million, so they really need an update. I only added bands who made it to five million and over. I’ll check on John Denver for ya soon.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 06/29/2019 @ 23:10pm


Kind of a left field question here...I am of the personal belief that artists like Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, et al., contributed to rock and roll and there is a place for them somewhere in the RRHOF.

What of folk musicians like John Denver and people like Barry Manilow or even Frank Sinatra? Undoubtedly, their influences are there, but do they belong?

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 06/30/2019 @ 05:37am


Do you support a "sliding timeline" for the Early Influence category? That's a good way to get non-rock acts in if they came after rock and roll was officially a thing but still were influential on its later sub-genres. All of those people could get in though Early Influences in the sliding timeline.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 06/30/2019 @ 11:41am


On the Folk music influence question posed by K-Dawg, I agree on recognizing the contributions of artists like Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, and also Waylon Jennings, Loretta Lynn. Too Country, maybe? I don't know. I inquired recently on John Denver, more Contemporary Folk, I guess, with a lot of big hits and major impact in music. I don't think his career is a whole lot different than say, James Taylor. Singer/Songwriter contemporary type hits. Easy, melodic, not heavy, slightly rock, with good sales and a lot of airplay. Joan Baez, a little heavier on the Folk, and Cat Stevens, Folk/Rock, a bit more diversity in his music. But with these 3 being inducted, I would think a John Denver or Carole King, Carly Simon, The Carpenters, or Jim Croce could possibly get a nomination at some point.

Although I would not equate a Barry Manilow to Frank Sinatra, they are probably in different leagues altogether, but maybe categorically in a similar style of music. If there was a category of Showman, or Showperson style of music, I think they would fall into that description. Also Bing Crosby, Andy Williams, Tom Jones, Bette Midler, Celine Dion, Barbra Streisand, and even Cher, although her early career has a good share of Contemporary Rock hits. Probably this style, with the exception of Cher, stands outside the entire Rock and Roll type genres.

Any thoughts? What do you think?

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 06/30/2019 @ 18:05pm


Several of the older names should be Early Influence. In fact, I think one reason why some of those people haven't been inducted by that category is that they would overshadow the rock acts.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 06/30/2019 @ 19:09pm


Several of the older names should be Early Influence. In fact, I think one reason why some of those people haven't been inducted by that category is that they would overshadow the rock acts.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 06/30/2019 @ 19:09pm


K-Dawg,

I'm okay with country artists that made an impact on rock and roll being inducted, such as Patsy Cline and Willie Nelson. Especially those two.

Frank Sinatra is an interesting case. I think if he were inducted as an Early Influence, Nancy would graciously accept the award on his behalf, but like a lot of the musicians from the older cloth of their time, Frank was pretty dismissive of rock and roll at the start. Even when he had that famous duet with Elvis at the Fountainbleau (sp?), he was reportedly pretty glib and not sincere at all about joining up with Presley. He called "Something" by the Beatles his favorite Lennon/McCartney composition (written of course by George). And though he later did duets with Bono and Cyndi Lauper and who knows who else, it definitely had to be on his terms. He influenced a lot of singers and deserves to be in, but it could possibly open up the portal to Bizarroworld, if we're not already there.

I hate the idea of a sliding timeline for the EI category. Always have. I was hoping that the AME category was going to be used for rock-era artists who weren't rock and roll, but definitely influenced the tides of rock and roll in some way. Such is not the case, but that's still no reason to slide the timeline.

Manilow? Mani-no. Great performer. Not for the Rock Hall.

Dude, thanks for clearing up Boyz II Men's numbers. They're ahead of Foreigner in Whitburn's list in the singles category, but behind in the albums ranks. Still, Foreigner is one of those bands that makes a quasi-populist like me say, "It's not ALL about sales though!"

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 06/30/2019 @ 19:19pm


Will N.,

I must say that list of Dude's is a long somewhat comprehensive sales list. Very good point about Blue Oyster Cult. I did Not know that about the sale listing of Blue Oyster Cult. 7 million is impressive. I don't think BOC will be inducted that soon. But their cult following may quicken them up. But NOT in the next couple years.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 07/1/2019 @ 07:22am


Will N.,

I am NOT a huge BOC fan. I don’t play them very often. I do have a Greatest Hits and Also I think Agents Of Fortune. I know more than Don’t Fear the Reaper on that album. ETI is good.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 07/1/2019 @ 11:00am


Hey Ben,
BOC was one of those mid 70's bands that were popular at the time for teen rockers, and they appealed to me for the sci-fi type lyrics, and kind of a mysterious style of Rock, with heavy melodies. They were the first band, I do believe, to use the Laser light show in concert in 1976. Aside from a few brief hiatus' in the 80's, they are still out there touring as well. "Secret Treaties" is rated as one of their best albums, of which the song "Astronomy" may be the best cut. I like most all of their records, "Agents" and "Fire of Unknown Origin", also very popular. "E.T.I."(Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) is very good, very heavy-melodic with strange lyrics..

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 07/1/2019 @ 12:02pm


Will N.,

I do like several tunes from Blue Oyster Cult. Astronomy and This Ain't the Summer of Love are 2 I like. I checked I don't own Agents. I did have it on Cd. I think I gave it away when I was doing a cleaning. I do own On Your Feet or On Your Knees. I am from Queens,NY which is Next to Long Island. BOC are from Long Island. The reason I ask is BOC were very popular on Long Island. But hey you could just as well be from some other State. BOC did well across America. The Red & the Black and Seven Screaming Dizbusters are good. My fav tune of BOC is Godzilla.

As far as the Hall I have made a half Joke that BOC will be inducted in 2029 or 2030. I am kinda serious too. The Hall will not take priority to them now but I do think they will by then.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 07/2/2019 @ 05:29am


We need more cowbell!


(Sorry)

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 07/3/2019 @ 03:27am


@ K-Dawg

And this is why I want Will Ferrell to be an inductor for BOC XD!

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 07/3/2019 @ 10:01am


Please consider signing this petition for my campaign to get Evelyn McDonnell on the Rock Hall Nominating Committee. Thank to you FRL and all of the Rock Hall watchers, fans, and bloggers have signed and shared this campaign in the last day or so! I really appreciate it!

https://www.change.org/p/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-put-evelyn-mcdonnell-on-the-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-nominating-committee

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 07/3/2019 @ 15:50pm


https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/ew.com/article/1991/11/22/decade-decadence/amp/

With Motley Crue winning the Kiosk, I’m wondering who is pushing for them on the Nom Com right now. I’ve been hearing Chuck Eddy is part of the group, which I could see him on board with Tom Morello (who is friends with Nikki Sixx).

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/4/2019 @ 18:41pm


Here's a small and updated list of the living Hall of Famers who are the Greatest/GI Generation; a cohort born between the early 1900's to the late 20's before the Great Depression started.

Al Rex (90)
Tom Devito (91)
Mo Ostin (92)
Dick Richards (95)
Art Rupe (101)

There are now five of them left.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/4/2019 @ 19:04pm


What's the General Opinion on Philip's ranking of all previous nominations?


http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2019/06/past-nominees-ranking-2019-edition.html

I expected LL Cool J to be #1, and I thought The Marvelettes would be higher.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 07/4/2019 @ 21:20pm


The Comments section on my blog is also a good place to post your thoughts on it.

Just sayin'.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 07/4/2019 @ 21:40pm


Phillip,

I don't care if its only been 1 year, Outkast should be on your list. One of the absolute biggest & beloved hiphop acts of all time. Shoulda been a 1st ballot lock, IMO.

List overall very good & well researched.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 07/5/2019 @ 10:54am


OutKast hasn't been on the ballot (yet) - the list is only for people that were previously considered and not inducted.

Posted by Handsome Bob on Friday, 07/5/2019 @ 11:22am


Thank you, Bob, for the clarification.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 07/5/2019 @ 13:11pm


James Henke, who is listed as RRHOF curator, passed yesterday. Is he the main man who is in charge of keeping the museum, or just one of many?

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 07/9/2019 @ 00:41am


@ K-Dawg

Dunno, he wasn’t on the nom com, but it could be possible he was secretly. I’m just wondering if there are and/were any eligible names that are on his snub list. His death could decrease the chances of an induction for some.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/9/2019 @ 01:05am


Dude,

I posted my thoughts on Phil’s list of previous nominations on his blog. I only commented on the Omission Of Carole King. I am 54 so just barely was alive to experience the Enormous success of Tapestry. Her Huge solo album.I developed a strong love for Rock later in the 70s. I am Old enough to be fully aware of Tapestry but Not a big Carole King Fan. I saw the Carole King Musical with my fiancée on Tuesday.I learned more about Carole King. It was about her songwriting days with Gerry Goffin mainly. Her prominence in the 60s with Goffin must be why they keep skipping her for a nomination on her own.

I am going with Dionne Warwick instead as a mellow female performer nominee for 2020. Dionne Warwick became a sensation in 1964. She was one of the few American stars on Ed Sullivan in 1964. I think. This is Right after the Beatles made their big splash on Sullivan. Even if I am wrong Dionne Warwick was on a bunch of Variety shows in 1964.

I do know that Walk On By was a Top 10 hit in 1964. Other hits like I Say a Little Prayer, the Theme for Valley Of the Dolls followed soon after in the 1960s.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/11/2019 @ 08:48am


@ Ben

The Interesting thing about the Ed Sullivan show is when act made his, her, or their appearance and performed, it increased their chance of getting inducted. I’m still gonna give another good look at Dionne cause I’m wondering if she was friends with Nina Simone. Stevie Wonder and Elton John are her biggest peers and collaborated with them once.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/11/2019 @ 10:43am


Ben, I'm on record as thinking it is a travesty that Ms. Warwick is not in the Hall.

That said, they've had 30 years to induct her & our Rock Hall Projected has yet to induct her (another travesty, IMO). So, I must conclude that she will either never get in or will be inducted when long dead.

Tis a shame, as she was one of the biggest stars of the 60s & is a wonderful singer.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 07/11/2019 @ 13:33pm


Dude,

Its my guess that Dionne Warwick was friends with Nina Simone. They were Young in the same era. Now while it is true that Nina Simone was inducted after 30 years of the Hall Around and when she was long Dead. But I think they have learned a lessons from that. Also a year earlier Joan Baez was Inducted. Joan Baez also could clearly have been Inducted during the past 30 Years. I will stay the course with Dionne Warwick for 2020.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/11/2019 @ 13:47pm


@ Ben

Yeah, I’m still pretty sure both of them were friends. I’m looking for more inductees who are connected to Dionne that would support her for an induction. The toughest one for me to find is who in the Nom Com would push for her. Questlove is probably the closest one I could think of.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/11/2019 @ 14:56pm


Isn't it contradictory that the Hall has biases against women, blacks, and conservatives?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 07/11/2019 @ 23:30pm


“Isn't it contradictory that the Hall has biases against women, blacks, and conservatives?
Posted by Follower”

Biases? Prove it. Of artists not yet in, please provide a list of snubbed artists from each group. Of course, you need to include the default group with Kraftwerk, The Smiths, Nine Inch Nails, Judas Priest, Gram Parsons, etc.

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 07/12/2019 @ 00:00am


Dionne Warwick may indeed be deserving. I would add Pattie Labelle to that argument for African American women who achieved great things in an era still dominated by the guys. However, I'm going to jump ahead a couple decades and say Whitney deserves to go in first, as really there are already a couple representatives of 60s greatness in female pop of that genre (Supremes, Gladys Knight, and yes, Aretha Franklin) but the only 80s "diva" in at this point is Ms. Jackson

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 07/12/2019 @ 02:17am


There's a lot of snubbed women. Just look at Inspirer's Induct These Women series.

For blacks, look at what happened to Chic and how Rufus/Chaka Khan kept getting nominated but never got inducted. Same goes for LL Cool J. Also, there's the fact that since 2015 Affirmative Action/Tokenism has been in place.

Conservatives, well, there's Ted Nuget and Smashing Pumpkins. And part of the reason Alice Cooper took so long was due to him being a conservative. KISS as well.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 07/12/2019 @ 11:50am


Ted Nugent is that rare example of someone completely detached from reality that really doesn't deserve to go in based on how much of a mockery he's made himself IMO. It's not his opinions politically, it's his irrationality that scares people and rightly so. He is really a poster child for a lot of complete nuts out there...and this has nothing to do with his hunting

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 07/12/2019 @ 12:37pm


Ted may not realize the Hall is based on the original definition of Rock & Roll, but he’s actually right about political correctness keeping some eligible acts off due to their opinions. Most people in my generation don’t realize rock music was against that back in the 70’s and 80’s, and being all PC at the Hall means less diversity imo. People in general are detached from reality and irrational no matter what their views are.

Less political correctness is a good thing.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 07/12/2019 @ 12:54pm


Nugent's politics are really immaterial. That's not to say that they probably wouldn't wind up being an issue if his name were to come up with the people on this nominating committee - but what I actually mean is that absent those political hang-ups, his name would never come up in the first place.

He's simply not a major or important figure in the history of Rock N Roll music; he uses his own political outspokeness to help promote himself because his music isn't enough to be a draw on its own.

With The Amboy Dukes, he had one solid memorable hit. As a solo artist he had one #30 hit with "Cat Scratch Fever", a song that is a subject of more ridicule than it is nostalgic adoration.

His participation with Damn Yankees has provided his most successful output of his career, and you could easily argue that is due to the influence of the far more successful Tommy Shaw. With the Damn Yankess, he has been part of two top 40 hits, including the #3 "High Enough", and the band has had nine songs on the Mainstream Rock charts, most of them fairly high on that format.

He has never had a top ten Billboard album in any of his projects; but he does have four platinum+ albums as a solo artist and one Platinum+ album for the debut Damn Yankees album. So his albums have sold well over time, though have never been huge hits at the time of release. His Cat Scratch Fever album eventually sold 3 million copies, but topped out at #17 on the Billboard album chart.

Sales aren't everything; some artists get in based on their musical excellence. As a songwriter, Nugent is generally mocked for his juvenile lyrics. He is skilled as a guitar player, but hardly among the best or most notable players of his generation. Influence is another consideration, and I think Nugent has had some influence, but I think it is more due to his persona and his politics than it is due to his music.

There's simply no reason to believe that his resume, absent his outspoken political views, would ever make the cut for nomination, when there are so many classic rockers with much better resumes sitting in front of him. Artists on the outside of the HOF right now with more success, more influence, more evident excellence to their music.

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 07/12/2019 @ 15:44pm


As for Smashing Pumpkins?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 07/12/2019 @ 15:44pm


Smashing Pumpkins absolutely have the resume for a HOF induction. Huge album sales (six top ten albums including a #1 album with a Diamond level certification). Only a handful of mostly minor pop chart hits, but a long list of hits on Alternative radio charts which was a dominating musical trend of their era. Outstanding production techniques; a sophisticated musical approach and good musicianship, competent lyrics. An obvious influence on later Emo style bands. They should go into the HOF.

Billy Corgan's love of Alex Jones may very well be a problem for them, at least in the short term (that could go away as Alex Jones himself fades out of public notice); but they haven't really been eligible enough to be considered a major snub as this point, since there are plenty of contemporaries with HOF caliber resumes that are also currently waiting. Corgan is more known as irritable and difficult to work with in general than he is for his politics. If they don't get a nomination within the next ten years, then I think it would be reasonable to criticize the Committee for evidence of political bias.

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 07/12/2019 @ 18:50pm


Honestly, Smashing Pumpkins should have been a 1st ballot nomination. Corgan is 1 of the best lyricists and creative thinkers and writers. Songs like 1979, Disarm, and Today would still sound fresh and unique if they were released in 2019. Take nothing away from Green Day, Nine Inch Nails, Rage Against The Machine, Radiohead etc, but Smashing Pumpkins should also have been nominated as a 1st time eligible.
It's also getting tiresome reading about the crying and whining about the RRHOF snubs. Chaka Khan, Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, etc have all been nominated at least 4 times and some of these artists 5 times. It's not the Nom Comm's fault the RRHOF voters have not given these groups enough votes. Obviously, the Nom Comm believes these artists are worthy placing them on the ballot multiple times. I think the bigger snubs are the groups who have never been nominated once. Bad Company, Iron Maiden, Peter, Paul, and Mary, Scorpions,The Guess Who,Willie Nelson jump to mind. I still don't understand why Willie Nelson has not been inducted yet. He's such a legendary figure in music and incredible longevity. I think in the next 5 years the RRHOF will vacuum up the most obvious candidates for induction. Then, it will be interesting who is nominated. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 07/12/2019 @ 19:59pm


I am a huge Pumpkins fan. Actually, I keep hoping they'll put off induction mainly in the vain hope that they'll reconcile with D'arcy and reunite proper before they enter the Hall as a group. I consider the best lineup Billy Corgan, James Iha, Jimmy Chamberlin and D'arcy Wretzky. They probably arguably would get in her replacement as well, but it just wouldn't seem right without her; that's as much her fault as it is Billy and his alleged ego, though.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 07/13/2019 @ 01:52am


One other factor: Nine Inch Nails seems right to me to be the first basically 90s alternative non-grunge group to be inducted; the so-called "second wave" of new rock, although they were around since the mid-80s. They paved the way for the sound that has since eclipsed the 80s and before. Radiohead being inducted first actually was a mistake, in my opinion. However, the Pumpkins are far and away worthy..

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 07/13/2019 @ 01:56am


Here's a small and updated list of the living Hall of Famers who are the Greatest/GI Generation; a cohort born between the early 1900's to the late 20's before the Great Depression started.

Al Rex (90)
Tom Devito (91)
Mo Ostin (92)
Art Rupe (101)

There are now four of them left.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 07/13/2019 @ 09:52am


“Radiohead being inducted first actually was a mistake, in my opinion.”

As great Radiohead is, but the reason they were lucky to join the ranks before any other of their 90’s peers is because they’re a hipster band who purely came from the college scene. Like I said before and I’ll say it again: Most music critics are hipsters who mostly listen to college radio and bands that fit their culture and values. Radiohead is no exception, and It’ll be the same reason why other certain critical acclaim bands like the White Stripes, Black Keys, and Arcade Fire will get in once all of them become eligible at some point

NIN on the other hand is from a very different world who are considered as rivetheads by fans cause they’re associated within the industrial music scene.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 07/13/2019 @ 13:22pm


I just want reflect on 60s acts again. I have reconsidered Blood,Sweat & Tears as a nominee for 2020. They were a very talented band in their time. I thank King for suggesting I keep Blood,Sweat & Tears. Good point that nobody really knows the 2020 picks. John Prine was picked by surprise. B,S and T stay. And so does the Marvelettes. There is a snub. One of the first Motown groups. Possibly the first with a Top huit. I need a Motown expert here for feedback.

Blood,Sweat and Tears absolutely have the resume for a HOF induction. They had decent album sales in their time and their album Blood,Sweat & Tears was a top seller in 1969. They should at least be nominated. The Monkees Tommy James & the Shondells and Procol Harum also come to mind. What stands out to me about B,S & T is their innovations with Jazz rock. The band is most notable for their fusion of rock,blues,pop music and Jazz improvisations. I mean instead of nominating MC5 year after year this would be something different. MC5 and B,S & T could appear at the same time. But B,S & T is a major snub when I think more about it.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/14/2019 @ 07:40am


Did anyone watch the Top 50 in the Rock Hall Voting? If not, let me post it for you:

1. Motley Crue
2. Blink-182
3. Iron Maiden
4. Dave Matthews Band
5. Wezzer
6. Cher
7. Styx
8. Solo Freddie Mercury
9. Boston
10. Pat Benatar
11. Weird Al Yankovic
12. Phil Collins
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. Snoop Dog
15. Jethro Tull
16. Soundgarden
17. Whitney Houston
18. Tool
19. Jimmy Bufffet
20. Foreigner
21. Phish
22. Ozzy Osbourne
23. The Doobie Brothers
24. The Cranberries
25. The Smiths
26. Depeche Mode
27. Alice In Chains
28. Sublime
29. The Monkees
30. The Tragically Hip
31. Duran Duran
32. Notorious B.I.G.
33. Carole King
34. Smashing Pumpkins
35. Tom Petty
36. Toto
37. Kid Rock
38. Nine Inch Nails
39. Judas Priest
40. Meat Loaf
41. Pantera
42. Oasis
43. Todd Rundgren
44. Tina Turner
45. Dolly Parton
46. Poison
47. REO Speedwagon
48. Kansas
49. Korn
50. Slayer
51. Ted Nuget
52. Pixies

Any thoughts?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 07/15/2019 @ 10:36am


@ Follower

The Warped Tour is coming to the Hall, so we could see a slight boost for Blink, but there’s no way they would beat the Crue on the kiosk cause they’re mostly a House of Blues-level band and never had an arena-level fansize like most of their peers from the 90’s. Even if they become number one again, it would only last for a very short term.

Motley is an arena-level band, have a bigger fanbase, and sold more copies than Blink; that’s why they’re doing so well on the Kiosk other than the movie. The nominees for the next class will be revealed within three months, so It’s possible the Nom Com had already finalized it, but it’s possible they might change it and/or another eligible act at last minute.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 07/15/2019 @ 12:11pm


*add

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 07/15/2019 @ 12:16pm


Hmmmm - I'm not a Blink 182 fan, couldn't name one of their songs off the top of my head, but saying they've never been an arena sized band seemed incorrect from my casual awareness - so I goggled their tours and based on those findings, they have regularly played amphitheaters, and are currently on tour doing so (with Lil Wayne on the tour as co-headliner as well to help sell tickets, granted). Looking at that historic tour data, they were a theater level band for most of the Nineties, but by 2000 they were doing Amphitheaters and have been ever since - though it does look like they like to throw in occasional theater sized shows, which a lot of big acts like to do now and then for a more intimate show experience treat.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 07/15/2019 @ 14:39pm


Have seen Blink at Riverbend in Cincinnati with 30,000 others.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 07/15/2019 @ 15:24pm


Even if I’m not right what level Blink is on an touring attraction, they’ll never win that part of the induction process. Another thing I wanna say about the kiosk is there are some names who aren’t eligible yet, but sold over 100 million copies or more and have big potentials to be number one on it once their first release turns 25 at some point like Jay-Z, Eminem, Coldplay, and Linkin Park to name a few for instance.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 07/15/2019 @ 15:50pm


Anyway, what do you guys think of numbers 3-52? Of the list, besides solo Freddie Mercury who deserves it the least? Aside from blink and Motley do you see any of the others getting nominated this year?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 12:17pm


Cher has a pretty good shot of being nominated and inducted; she’s working on a lot of projects right now, including a biopic. Don’t see Iron Maiden happening, but it starting to look like they some potential to win the kiosk next year.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 12:59pm


The kiosk list is interesting for sure. Motley Crue holding #1 surprises me, as I've always thought that Iron Maiden and Judas Priest were held much more highly by fans and critics than the Crue, but it is what it is.

I'm not surprised by Blink-182's success though. I think the commenters on this site tend to undersell them, but to every fellow '90s kid that I know, they all seem to hold Blink as being one of the stalwart acts of the late 90s, and I'd have to agree with them. Not only that, but I can hear their sound in all of the pop punk acts that followed.

I think most of the acts from #3-52 are worthy. Solo Freddie definitely isn't, though, but I'm not worried about him getting nominated. I wouldn't support Kid Rock, Poison, Ted Nugent, Jimmy Buffet either, among a few others.

Cher solo is arguably more worthy than Sonny and Cher, but I can't help but support the duo over her solo career. The duo is so iconic together and Bono played a huge part not only in their success, but as a songwriter and sideman as well. But like I said, Cher solo has had more chart success and has been incredibly influential towards later female performers.

Some other thoughts:
The Cranberries being so high is a nice sight. The Tragically Hip being so high up is also surprising.

If it was true that the ladies on the Nom Com discussed Benatar before going with Nicks, then I think its likely she'll get nominated if not this year then next.

Pixies should be way higher, but at least they're on there.

Todd Rundgren would be a perfect candidate for the Musical Excellence category. It'd truly be the best way to cover his entire career.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 13:13pm


Not that I have anything against Blink, I just don’t think they’re on the Hall’s list to induct. Dave Matthews Band is the only 90’s band I could think of that is closer to be successful as Nirvana, Green Day, and Pearl Jam commercially - they’re popular enough to draw a lot of crowds over there.

Then you have Nine Inch Nails and Jane’s Addiction who are closer to be critic-friendly as Radiohead and have yet to get in at some point. Rage Against the Machine is somewhat in the middle; I think they have the best chance of getting in on this category era wise. With the the next presidential campaign coming next year, they want them to take some hot shots at Trump and whoever the challenger from the left will be (there is no way they would endorse Biden)

Soundgarden should be the next grunge band from Washington State to join the ranks; It’s been two years since we lost the late and great Chris Cornell to depression other than suicide - he was very well respected within the industry.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 13:58pm


Opinion at this point that will send some of the FRL regulars into denial:

Motley Crue will win the fan vote next December.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 14:12pm


Just checked out this week’s Billboard 200.

Motley’s The Dirt movie soundtrack album is on 163 and Blink’s “Greatest Hits” is on 184.

Now I’m starting to wonder if the Kiosk is impacting the charts

Posted on the wrong page by accident lol.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 15:36pm


I think that either The Doobie Brothers, Pat Benatar or Duran Duran (if nominated) will win the fan vote this December not Motley Crue. As much as I love Motley Crue, I just don't see them getting nominated or being inducted this year (let alone ever) IMO.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 16:42pm


@ Richie

The problem with that is if they ignore the kiosk and didn’t nominate the Crue, fans and tourists will complain how meaningless it is. The Hall needs to connect them and give what the general public wants by adding big, some popular names other than welcoming the smaller ones and critical favorites in order to stay relevant. That’s what helped Rush, Kiss, Chicago, Journey, Bon Jovi, and Def Leppard with the Online Fan Vote. Motley will be part of that club.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 17:16pm


The Dude,

But Rush, Kiss, Chicago, Journey, Bon Jovi and Def Leppard were all bigger names than Motley Crue and sold more albums and had more hits than Motley, and all of them were very deserving of induction when they got in, So that's why I think either The Doobie Brothers, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, or although not mentioned Foreigner (if nominated will win the fan vote this December and not Motley, All of the names that I just mentioned (Doobies, Benatar, Duran Duran and Foreigner) sold more albums and had more hits than the Crue, As I've said it before, As much as I love them, I just don't see them ever getting nominated or inducted (let alone this year) IMO.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 19:29pm


@ Richie

Motley sold over a 100 million copies; they’re big as Leppard and sold more copies than Rush, Journey and maybe Kiss.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 19:39pm


https://www.motley.com/about-motley-crue

“MÖTLEY CRÜE’s career-spanning numbers are impressive. The band has sold 100 million albums globally; has reached seven platinum or multi-platinum certifications; 22 Top 40 mainstream rock hits; six Top 20 pop singles; a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame; three Grammy nominations for Best Hard Rock Performance; and countless sold-out tours across the globe, playing to millions and generations of fans.”

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 20:02pm


Stevie Ray Vaughn continues to be an outliner when it comes to fan vote winners.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 07/16/2019 @ 20:47pm


I did not know that Motley Crue had global sales of 100 million. Living through the 80's, I never thought they were that great of a band. The hair metal scene was too commercial for me, too overblown. I do like the first 2 Motley Crue albums, though, and I will have to give them credit for the success that they have achieved. I think they will be nominated and inducted at some point, maybe not this year, but soon. I think they best represent the Glam Metal genre, more than any other band, and helped to generate the 80's glam metal explosion. Bon Jovi was more Pop Metal, not as heavy. Personally, I feel that there are 25-30 artists or bands out there that are more deserving, but I suppose we will have to see where the chips fall.

As far as sales by Rock artists, excluding obvious pop, or rap artists, etc., Motley Crue is not listed on the Best Selling Musical Artist list. I could not tell you if it has been updated recently. But of course, at the top is the Beatles, Elvis, Michael J.,Elton John, Zeppelin, Floyd, Queen,AC/DC, Stones, Eagles, Billy Joel, U2, Phil Collins, Aerosmith, Kanye, Springsteen, Bruno Mars, L.Gaga, Metallica, Bee Gees, Drake, Maroon 5, Jay Z, Beyoncé, Coldplay, Bon Jovi, Fleetwood Mac, Linkin Park, R. Stewart, Guns n' Roses, N.Diamond, Clapton, Santana, Prince, K.Rogers, McCartney, Simon & Garfunkel, Janet J., Chicago, Dire Straits, Dylan, Def Lepperd, Cher, Genesis, Olivia N.J., J.Taylor, Stevie W., Bowie, Tina T., Linda R., Beach Boys, D. Summer, The Who, Barry White, Shania T., Pink, Lionel, EW&F, J.Cash, Timberlake, REM, Van Halen, Chili Peppers, Foreigner, G. Michael, The Doors, Meat Loaf, Tom Petty, Journey, Usher, Christina A., Shakira, Tupac, Alabama, Nirvana, Bryan Adams, Bob Seger, Bob Marley, The Police, B.Manilow, Kiss, and Aretha Franklin.

This was listed in descending order of sales, and OK, I ended up including some non Rock artists, some I guess were relevant, although I skipped Madonna, at the top, and a few other obvious acts, but you get the gist. This is all that was listed on wiki, and maybe it has not been updated to include Motley Crue, but the question was raised if they had sold more than certain bands. Journey, Foreigner, Bon Jovi, Kiss, Chicago, and some others have sold more, according to these numbers, anyway..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 07/17/2019 @ 00:10am


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

From my view on the list from Wikipedia, that page shows who are the most certified names in music.

“All artists included on this list, which have begun charting on official albums or singles charts have their available claimed figures supported by at least 20% in certified units. That is why Cliff Richard, Diana Ross, Scorpions, Bing Crosby, Gloria Estefan, Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, Tom Jones, The Jackson 5, Dionne Warwick, the Spice Girls, Dolly Parton, Ozzy Osbourne, Andrea Bocelli and others have not been included on this list.”

So yeah, the title of that page is kinda just a clickbait. Motley needs a big update from the RIAA and other trade organizations that represents the recording industry worldwide.

I still can’t believe Green Day, Boston, the Moody Blues, INXS and Pearl Jam aren’t on the list too when they actually sold enough copies to meet the criteria. Howard Stern once stated Bon Jovi sold over 130 million during his induction speech last year - they need to update that too.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 07/17/2019 @ 00:31am


Dude,
Yeah, That list was somewhat unusual, that would exclude Diana Ross, and the Jackson 5, among others. They seemed to have used some type of formula to equal out the certified units compared to sales, as it has evolved over the years, trying to institute some sort of fairness. But Ed Sheeran is up there, over the names you mentioned? wtf..Give me a break..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 07/17/2019 @ 01:32am


I left a post about the Hall loving star power and the fact Crue had 3 or their 4 members go on to significantly be recognized in endeavours beyond their group. Did it get deleted?

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 07/17/2019 @ 09:43am


Mick Mars is easily the most underrated member from the Crue. Everyone talks about the others cause you have one guy who is a singer, a bassist who have his own radio show and bounced back from a drug overdose, and a drummer who was Pamela Anderson's husband for three years.

Mick has been openly struggling ankylosing spondylitis since he was 17, and could still play his guitars like it was no biggie. I don't think there are many guitarists from his world that could do could do make mean sounds, melodic solos, and bluesy riffs while being recognizable at the same like him musically.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/18/2019 @ 11:07am


Mick Mars is easily the most underrated member from the Crue. Everyone talks about the others cause you have one guy who is a singer, a bassist who have his own radio show and bounced back from a drug overdose, and a drummer who was Pamela Anderson's husband for three years.

Mick has been openly with struggling ankylosing spondylitis since he was 17, and could still play his guitars like it was no biggie. I don't think there are many guitarists from his world that could make mean sounds, melodic solos, and bluesy riffs while being recognizable at the same like him musically.

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Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/18/2019 @ 11:09am


Will N.,

I do think that list of Best Selling Musical artists is a bit unusual. I think you said it's on Wikipedia. We enjoyed music at the same time back in the 80s. We heard all the music of the 1970s and rolled into the 80s. However, I think Motley Crue will be nominated and inducted this year. I didn't think they were that great a band. Personally I prefer Twisted Sister and Ratt. But I think Motley Crue best represent the Glam Metal genre. They did help generate the Glam Metal explosion. In fact Bon Jovi really wasn't Metal at all. They were Pop Rock.

As far as Sales by Rock artists. Motley Crue is Not listed on the Best Selling Musical Artist list. In this discussion I am figuring you guys have been simply dealing with this list. EVen though Motley Crue is Not on this list their chances in RnR Hall of Fame are Not diminished.

I have to see this list. It's hard to believe that the Moody Blues, INXS and Pearl Jam are not on this list. The Moodys and Pearl Jam are both inducted at this point despite this list. I would say you agree that Sales are Not the only factor. Therefore Motley Crue can be inducted. There is their fan base and also the fact that they helped start a genre. Case in point I fully expect Jethro Tull, a band I love and much more up my alley to be on the next ballot. Jethro Tull I would say don't have enough sales for this list. The same for Devo,Duran Duran and Eurythmics. I am predicting them too. This is an interesting discussion on this list.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/19/2019 @ 06:50am


Will N.,

What I was trying to say is Motley Crue have a very good Chance Of being Nominated and inducted for 2020. Sticking with the Sales list Chat. It doesn’t matter if they are on the List or Not. They helped start the Glam Metal genre. An act more up my Alley is Jethro Tull. They may Not have started a Genre but they are a Key Prog Group from the 1970s. That would be a key reason to Nominate Tull. They are probably NOT going to ever be on that Sales list But They likely to be Nominated for 2020 also

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/19/2019 @ 13:32pm


Ben,
Agreed, the Best Selling Musical Artists list may be somewhat skewed. I happened to click on it while checking out the Motley Crue wiki page. As the Dude states, their wiki page does state that Motley Crue has global sales of over 100 Million. Why they are not on that list, I'm not sure, as quite a few bands are not. Rush is not on there, but Foreigner is, so take it for what it's worth.

Motley Crue could very well get a nomination for the next class, but whether they would get inducted, I could not say. That would depend on the strength of the other nominees they are up against. My best guess would be, not this year. I would think there are a good 15 or 20 artists that would be ranked above them, but if they were to stand alone in the Hard Rock/Metal genre, they would have a chance. I would have to rate Judas Priest or Iron Maiden above them. And then you have a high probability of Rage ATM, or Nine Inch Nails in the mix also, and maybe classic Rockers, Bad Company, T. Rex, the Guess Who, New York Dolls, getting support and nominations. However it pans out, I foresee a pretty solid nominated class coming up..

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 07/19/2019 @ 22:57pm


Motley Crue, I feel, will get onto the nominee list by the strength of what carried Def Leppard and Bon Jovi the past couple years. They are a completion of a trinity of "arena rock" "big hair rock" "butt rock" "glam rock", whatever you want to call it. I also feel they would run away with the fan vote, and capture induction in that slot. Their recent movie, along with the notoriety of Vince Neil, Nikki Sixx, and Tommy Lee for their individual endeavors as well as their "star power" (not to take anything away from Mick Mars) is easily recognizable, and the Hall likes its celebrities.

If this all sounds like I've hashed it out before, I apologize. This is meant to be a concise statement of my opinion of why they are probably as close to a sure bet 3 months out from nominations as I can observe. They definitely have the momentum at this moment.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 05:19am


K-Dawg,

I see you point on Motley Crue this year. I agree that they are a completion of a trinity of Arena/Big hair rock. If you notice the arena rock choice got slightly heavier(very slightly) with Def Leppard. Motley Crue seems natural as the next in line.

I am very confident they get a nomination,but whether they get inducted I am not totally sure. It does depend who the competition is. Among the 15 or 20 artists that could be ranked above them are Foreigner,Whitesnake,Scorpions and Judas Priest. I did include Foreigner because their first 3 albums were considered Hard Rock in the late 70s. Those 4 artists above I am sure have fans in the Nominating committee.

So while Motley Crue I am sure will be nominated those are 4 examples of artists that could block them from induction. The voters are the ones who make induction possible. There are a bunch of Veteran writers for Old Hard Rock Magazines like Creem that I am sure would boost votes for Motley Crue. It's not totally clear what would happen. But if they were to stand alone in the Hard Rock/Metal genre then they will get induction in that slot.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 06:49am


Good points Ben

While I do predict Foreigner on my own list as well, I personally hope they are skipped for a few more years. They are too easy an out in terms of importance; moreover, they are the one that the "knuckle dragging" rock "purists", who base their opinions entirely on their favorite classic rock station's playlists, will get sated easiest with. Foreigner may in fact belong at one point. It's just, with the sheer number of deserving artists who have contributed to the genre in unique ways that are laughingly still waiting for induction (Kraftwerk and Depeche Mode IMO are the most noticeable), the Hall has made a point to make sure there are many 70s rock acts already in. Foreigner adds to the saturation at this point, and given that usually we can expect 5-6 that may end up costing another, more deserving band. I have no doubt that once they are nominated, some on the nomcom would attempt to shove them in at all costs.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 12:08pm


@ K-Dawg

I’m starting to doubt the Nom Com would nominate Maiden rather than Foreigner after Motley in 2021. They’re number three on the Kiosk, showing big potential to be on the top next year. The trouble to get those guys in that soon is terrestrial radio rarely plays their music. To prove this, name five songs or more by them on your local classic and/or active rock station with a regular rotation.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 12:46pm


Iron Maiden has been top 5 at the HOF kiosk for two years. That should resonate with the Nom Com. Only question is Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. I think Judas Priest should go in 1st by seniority. However, it was leaked out about their low vote total when they were nominated. Maybe, Iron Maiden could do better. We will see in October. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 12:56pm


They could have been lying. In fact, I think the Rock Hall doesn't release vote totals so they can induct Token Black Artists without suspicion. (Bill Withers, NWA, Tupac, Nina Simone, and Janet Jackson)

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 13:46pm


Iron Maiden, who is my choice the next metal band to be inducted over Judas Priest, would fit the same mold to me that Kraftwerk and Depeche Mode do, which are pioneers of a genre that today has both flourished in its own right as well as influenced numerous sounds that are integral to the sound of the 2000s. As it has been pointed out here, the Nomcom seems to be afraid of metal bands. This is one reason why there has been a glut of 70s pop/rock bands inducted the last 2 or 3 years.

Foreigner, as I said, checks off the boxes for these people who want to keep going with the same music that is friendly to a certain genre, but really fails to make their own mark on the industry. Yes, they are immensely talented, but they really didn't add anything beyond what's already there--unlike Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode, Motley Crue, or Iron Maiden in their own ways, be it style or sound.

The realist in me wants to make Foreigner a shoo-in, because of the Hall's habits. The music fan in me so much more wants those 4 bands I previously mentioned well ahead of Foreigner on that list

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 14:03pm


Dude,

Iron Maiden gets "Run to the Hills" run into the ground. Other than that "Number of the Beast" is the only other song that gets regular airplay, although "Where Eagles Dare" and "Minutes to Midnight" have been heard on my local station in the past. So, yes, you're right there.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 14:07pm


@ K-Dawg

In my home area, it’s rare to hear Maiden on the radio. My local classic rock station (owned by Entercom/Radio.com) doesn’t play anything by them regularly except when they air Dee Snider’s House of Hair on Saturday nights and that’s it.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 14:16pm


Just talked to my dad about the fan vote winners. He says all of them except Stevie Ray Vaughn were bigger than Motley Crue.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 16:50pm


Follower,

If that were true, Chic would have gotten in within five ballots, instead of 11 failures and a cherry-picking of Nile Rodgers.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 21:51pm



#followersoracist

Posted by EDS on Saturday, 07/20/2019 @ 23:58pm


It is possible that Foreigner could get a nomination this time around, but I believe there are quite a few bands that may be more in line for the honor. First of all, I tend to group them with Boston. Both had highly exceptional debut albums, and gradually declined, with the next 2 releases. Foreigner, of course, has a strong comeback with Foreigner 4, with a bunch of hits and commercial appeal, which all will work in their favor with the voters. But, as was previously stated, not too much new or innovative with 4, though I think "Urgent" is a great song.

Other bands I think should go in before would be Bad Company, as Paul Rodgers is long overdue. The Guess Who needs to be nominated, with Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings representing, well deserved. T. Rex is way long overdue, should be no question. Kraftwerk should also be a slam dunk, as long as they get re-nominated. They've been getting jacked around a bit too much. Jethro Tull and King Crimson, both highly influential to all Rock, not just Prog. Depeche Mode was mentioned, they keep getting overlooked, along with The Smiths. Let's not forget about Joy Division/New Order either. These are just a few I would rate higher than Foreigner, and most of these are just from the 70's Rock era. I did not even mention the deserving Female artists, Funk/R&B artists like The Commodores, or 80's/90's artists. I would rate the Scorpions higher, also.

Now for the Metal department with Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, both should be inducted, the sooner, the better. Iron Maiden has never received much commercial radio airplay, just a bit too heavy and intense, but for me,"Phantom of the Opera" could be one of the best metal songs ever. Judas Priest songs on classic crap radio, has steadily declined over time, since humans are not allowed to play the songs they would like. Megadeth has also rarely had airplay. Add Pantera, Slayer, Mastodon, Queensryche(one song), Fate's Warning, and others to the long list. FM commercial "classic rock" radio is a joke anyway. The overexposure of just a few songs over and over repetitiously is insulting to the listener, and hypnotic to the masses. It definitely limits appreciation of the wealth of quality music.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 07/21/2019 @ 00:11am


Will N,


Great list of deserving rock and other acts and great response. I just would toss in another band who gets mentioned a lot, the Doobie Brothers. Steely Dan is in, and J Geils gets nominated way too often for 3 songs, but the Doobies really are the sound of AM rock from the 70s; their mellow riffs really emit a feel of the decade. Takin It to the Streets alone...it might not be the inspirational tune it sounds to be, but it has such elements of funk and easy while still being a good rock song.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 07/21/2019 @ 08:37am


K-Dawg,

Yes, I totally agree on the Doobie Brothers, and I was meaning to include them on the previous post. They are on my potential Nomination list. All of their mid 70's albums are great. Of course, they have all of the hits that most people know, but a lot of great album cuts like "Spirit", "South City Midnight Lady", "I Cheat the Hangman", "Another Park, Another Sunday", and "Sweet Maxine", and these are just from albums 2 through 5. "Black Water" was actually the B-side to "Another Park", which made it to #32 in June '74. Airplay for the B-side gradually grew, and in Nov '74, "Black Water" was released as an A-side, and in March '75, it hit #1. Doobies are highly regarded by nearly all of their fellow artists.

On the J. Geils Band, I think they continue to get recognized for their early 70's material, not so much the 80's stuff, which they are more known for. I like their early songs better, "Give It To Me", "Looking For a Love", "Must've Got Lost", to name a few, which is more of a Detroit Funk/Rock sound..

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 07/21/2019 @ 14:36pm


Will N.,

Good to see you here on the site. I do agree with you on Foreigner. I used them as an example of Arena Rock that could block Motley Crue. But Foreigner unto themselves is NOT one I am predicting for the 2020 ballot. Like Boston, they have an exceptional Debut. They were gradually declining by the time of Head Games. I think that’s basically what you were trying to say. 4 did Not have too much new and innovative. I agree that Urgent is a great song. It has Junior Walker on the Sax Solo. A little trivia fact I know.

I predict Kraftwerk will be re Nominated. I don’t even Support or like Electronic and Dance Music but they have been nominated many times. Jethro Tull and King Crimson are both highly influential. Although I don’t think Tull were as Innovative as Moody Blues they do have one definitive innovation. They have a lead Flute player with Ian Anderson. Although there are Flutes in many bands of the early 70s Ian Anderson has Done magnificent Flute solos. A Rare achievement in Rock. Depeche Mode was mentioned but if Kraftwerk is nominated I say no Depeche Mode. I predict the Smiths though as far as 80s alt. The Smiths seem like next in line after the Cure. I do NOT know Joy Division/New Order Very Well to judge their chances. That’s it for Now

Posted by Ben on Monday, 07/22/2019 @ 07:57am


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U3og0A0lC-o

A very important video everyone needs to watch.

Motley Crue: How the Band Changed MTV With "Looks That Kill"

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 07/22/2019 @ 11:13am


Motley Crue’s “Greatest Hits” album re-entered the Billboard 200 at 169. Blink’s GH album is on the bottom of the barrel at 200. Yep, the Kiosk at the Hall must’ve made an impact of it.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/23/2019 @ 11:43am


https://www.statista.com/statistics/797321/us-population-by-generation/

Population in US by generation as of 2017.

The Greatest Generation: 2.11 Million
Silent Generation: 24.44 Million
The Baby Boomers: 72.56 Million
Generation X: 65.45 Million
The Millennials: 72.06 Million
Generation Z: 90.55

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 07/24/2019 @ 15:04pm


Let's chat about some other 80s acts possible for the 2020 ballot. Some of those are Pat Benatar, Devo,Duran Duran and Eurythmics. All these are fairly qualified. I think Pat Benatar stands a good chance of induction if she is on the ballot. I am Not sure about the others I mentioned. I think the Hall may want to take shot at Duran Duran following the Cure induction. Duran Duran have a much more commercial as well as progressive side. I am Not a very big fan but Enig speaks a lot of their progressive side. I figure they show their Prog side on the odd track of their albums. I also predict the Smiths. I think they can be nominated at the same time as the Duran Duran. Hey there is a big push for 80s in the hall.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 11:08am


This may be the result of not being old enough to remember how the music world was in 1982, but I just don't see Devo more deserving of a spot than some of the other new wave/ alternative rock bands of the time, specifically Duran Duran and Depeche Mode, who have much longer staying power. Pat Benatar is a slam dunk; I don't understand how she wasn't put in a few years ago. I do think Kate Bush doesn't get enough love either.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 11:38am


Duran Duran will be the Hall's next new wave band for next year. After that, Depeche Mode will get inducted in 2021 and INXS in 2022 respectively. That would be enough to pick up the medium-sized and smaller names of the genre like Devo, the B-52's, Tears For Fears, Eurythmics, the Go-Go's and Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 11:47am


K-Dawg,

I certainly Remember the music world in 1982. MTV was just starting. There was the huge success of acts like Men At Work,Adam Ant,Duran Duran, Missing Persons along with so many others. I was 17 years old. I was Not a huge New Wave Fan but it was very abundant. Of those only Duran Duran qualify I’d say. Now Devo I feel will be Nominated like last year for the 2020 Ballot.

Ahh but don’t confuse nominee with Inductee. Last year buried somewhere in the posts for 2019 Inductees Back In Nov. 2018. I stated that Devo have very little chance of being inducted. I stand by that statement. Its interesting I feel Devo have a strong chance of being Nominated to give them another shot. Having said that I feel that after being Nominated I seriously Doubt they will be Inducted in 2020 or ever for that matter.

One thing about the prediction game for nominees is you want to predict Nominees that have little or No chance of induction. So why would the Hall waste its time on Devo again. That’s because they are from Ohio. Devo’s Only huge hit was Whip It. They had some album after that called Oh No Its Devo Around 1982. It got a bunch of sales from New Wave fans at that time in 1982. NO NOT me but I saw people pick it out in record stores during 1982 or so. Now Yes I agree there are more deserving new Wave Bands Of a spot like Duran Duran and Depeche Mode. But the Hall likes to pick some bands that have not much chance at all. That’s why I think Devo will be nominated for 2020. Will Devo be Inducted Hell No. In 1982 they were slightly notable but Not a lot. Respond to this. This is Great Chat.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 12:14pm


On a side note, do you think there's a chance "I Ran (So Far Away)" by Flock of Seagulls could see a song induction at some point? It, to me, IS the song representative of the whole genre, even if their career really was forgettable.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 14:10pm


K-Dawg,

That’s an interesting question about I Ran by A Flock Of Seagulls getting a song induction at some point. I say No there is really no Chance at all. First of all I happened to strongly dislike this Category. I predict Regular Nominees and Inductees so many months in advance. The song Category on the other hand I predict a week in advance at most.

First of all we don’t know if this song category will last more than a few years. Assuming it does last a long long time the other problem is that this is a Project Run by Steve Van Zant. No singles past the 50s and 60s have been inducted . Steve Van Zant does not seem to have any intention of changing that any time soon. This means that even American Pie would take awhile to be Inducted. It was not released until 1971. We have to wait many many years then for songs inductions to include the 1980s. Also Steve Van Zant hates New Wave Songs. I think then I Ran has no chance. Its Sad but true I would say. Respond

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 15:48pm


“Also Steve Van Zant hates New Wave Songs.”

- Ben

Welp, that pretty much sums up about why it took quite of a long time for the Cars, the Cure, and even Roxy Music (who jumped on the New Wave bandwagon) to get inducted. I wouldn’t be surprised if Little Steven had a debate with Dave Grohl on Devo.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 16:05pm


Philip,

The Rock Hall has only practiced Tokenism/Affirmative Action as a reaction to 2014's all White (aside from a White Hispanic if that counts) class. Those acts, Bill Withers, NWA, Tupac, Nina Simone and Janet Jackson were all products of that. While other black acts were nominated, these happened to do the best out of them.

Chic was only nominated alongside Withers, NWA, and Tupac. They couldn't fight those three.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 18:20pm


I also want to add that I myself am Not a big fan of new wave music. But even I like the Cars and some Roxy Music. I do Not like the Cure at all But go figure I don't mind the Smiths and Duran Duran too much. Steve Van Zant hates all New wave as far as I can tell. This means that New wave acts can be picked as nominees for Performers but Not the Song category because that is tightly controlled by Steve Van Zant.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 18:48pm


I think 'I Ran' is a great song & very invocative of that era.

You put that song on & I'm back in 1982 :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 19:49pm


When last year’s nominees were revealed, it was on October 8th. Will they do it again on the same day or will it happen sooner/later? We somewhat only have less than 80 days left.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 22:03pm


Follower,

There was also backlash in 2008, when it was all white men and a white woman. There was an attempt to balance that out with Gamble & Huff and Little Walter, but the point was made about the Performer category back then too. Probably was the same thing in 2003 as well. Chic could very well have competed against Bill Withers, I think, though NWA was on the ballot that year too. The point is, they could have gotten Chic in any of those times. They could have just said the vote was close and warranted 7 inductions in 2017 to put Chic in then instead of having to cherry-pick Nile.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 22:40pm


I would like to chime in my prerogative on the New Wave possible prospects and probable nominees, and musically, I tend to prefer the 80's Post Punk/New Wave genres over the more predominant Glam Metal scene, which I felt to be more commercially driven(MTV). But in retrospect, I guess all of it was, except for "College Rock Alternative", which also was born in the same post-Classic/Arena Rock era, sans, B-52's, Pylon, R.E.M., from the great American Athens,GA rock scene.

Take the B-52's, here is a mostly overlooked band that will probably be nominated this year, and maybe inducted, as well. Super innovative, original, creative, energetic, and still kicking and touring currently, for 40th Anniversary. I've seen them 3 times and planning to check them out again next month with OMD, and Berlin, supporting.

On DEVO, I believe they will not be nominated again this year, maybe next year or in 2. Kind of testing the waters, they need a break and build some support. I tend to disagree on the assumptions about DEVO. Huge hits do not make a band Great. DEVO is all about the first 5 albums, 4 Studio and 1 Live, "Are We Not Men", Duty Now", Freedom Of Choice", "New Traditionalists", and "DEVO Live-1980". After that, they kind of fell off, but IMO, every song on those albums are Cutting Edge, and I will leave it there for now. Anybody who is interested can explore those 5 to understand, and DEVO is definitely HOF material, and should get in within 5-6 years.

Some other 80's bands were mentioned, I think maybe 3 New Wave/Alternative bands will be nominated, and the possibles would be, The B-52's, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, The Smiths, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, and hopefully in a few years, New Order. Pat Benatar was brought up. She is in my Top 5, and unless there is some sticking point, I cannot understand the holdup.. My Out of Left Field Pick(a great category brought up by a few, here..), would be Los Lobos.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 07/25/2019 @ 23:27pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

What are your current predictions for the 2020 Rock Hall nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 07/26/2019 @ 01:35am


To chime in on the chances for "African American" nominees on the ballot, I have Whitney Houston as a potential induction, not just a nom; I also listed the Spinners, who have gotten a couple looks but criminally haven't been inducted yet. I think rap will get a year or two off--Biggie, Jay-Z, Snoop Dogg, Outkast and even LL Cool J can make a case for induction; Lil Kim and Missy Elliott are fast coming eligible as well on the women's side. They need to catch up on some pop before rap begins to go through the pipeline. I would surmise Rick James might get a surprise nomination as well. There shouldn't be a shortage of black nominations--quite simply, there is so much from so many genres to clean up since they toss mediocre 60s bands or pet projects in on a whim, that we can't held but nitpick our favorite genres. We are all guilty of it, and it's fine.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 07/26/2019 @ 04:08am


Will N.,

I like your last post. I definitely did Not know all that about Devo. I Googled Devo just a few minutes ago. I know a few tracks on Freedom of Choice. Besides Whip It I know Girl U Want,It's Not Right maybe and Freedom of Choice. I don't know the other albums at all. I was only saying that just own the hit,Whip It. You didnt mention Oh No It's Devo. It's Ok I just know the title. I never heard it.

Our view is kind of similar on the view for 80s acts this year. But I think 4 new wave/alternative bands will be nominated this year. I think they may be Devo,Duran Duran,Eurythmics and the Smiths. I am one of the people bringing up Pat Benatar. I can't really understand the hold up. A theory is that the Hall wanted Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks inducted first. They are both inducted now. Pat Benatar is a personal favorite of mine. I was an original fan when she first came out. I would say you as well

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/26/2019 @ 08:31am


Looking at the Hall’s recent upload on Twitter, it’s starting to look like Devo could be nominated again. Could be a teaser.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 07/26/2019 @ 16:38pm


Ben,

Thank you for your comments. Your viewpoints, opinions, and outlooks are always appreciated, and interesting. More on DEVO, the album you mention, Oh No It's Devo, I believe was their 5th studio album, and then they had Shout, also, their 6th. Like you said, Oh No was pretty popular, and did well, but I thought they had started going a bit commercial, at that point, and even techno, to some degree. I think they started to get away from their more Punk oriented roots. I'm leaning away from them getting nominated 2 years in a row, as they were able to break the ice and get nominated last time, but they may need to build some more support, and look towards '21-'22.

Right now, I am big on The B-52's for nomination, and considering Pat Benatar, I have been promoting her for a few years now. I mentioned those possible sticking points, which I brought up last year, and had a few discussions with Timothy on that matter. Pat Benatar is actually a band, not a solo artist, and I believe she considers herself and Husband/guitarist, Neil Giraldo, as equal contributors in the band. If she were to get a nomination or induction, would they both be included? I do not think it would be acceptable to Pat if Neil was snubbed. Regardless, hopefully that would get worked out, as both are well deserving.

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 07/27/2019 @ 00:59am


Will N.,

I actually dig the B52s way more than Devo. You seem to dig both. I sometimes insist on a nomination even if I am Not a fan. But you know what I may be overdoing thinking outside of my tastes. I am going to Delete Devo from my written list. I have a written scrap list of predictions for 2020 nominees. I would think others do. It's easier than remembering what I am predicting. What can I say I have a busy and slightly weaker short term memory in my middle age in my case. A list comes in handy for those super Young too. Super Young is a very good thing. The point here is written lists are good.

Anyway Devo could be just a 80s entry they were trying. As you say testing the waters. Kate Bush was a nominated for 2018 and has Not returned.That's a good example. So I see what you mean by testing waters. B52s have never been nominated. Kate Bush never was before until 2018 Ballot. Same for Devo for 2019. So you have persuaded me. I will make B52s a pick. I love Rock Lobster and Planet Claire. I enjoyed the Wild Planet album on Vinyl when I owned that. I know the Whammy album somewhat but never owned that. I currently own Cosmic Thing on cd. I like a lot of tunes on Cosmic Thing. It's considered a comeback album. So as of now I am predicting B52s for nomination and I have already been predicting Pat Benatar since I started a 2020 ballot list.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/27/2019 @ 08:23am


Other than Nick (no pun intended), anyone remember hearing the B-52’s on Rocko’s Modern Life? The band did put out a theme song for that show.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 07/27/2019 @ 12:09pm


Dude,

This is one of those things that will bug for many many months to come unless you tell me. “Other yes Nick-(No Pun intended).

What is the Pun? I googled B52s for anything with Nick in it. I am sorry to ask this. Its bugging me what the pun is. Is Nick a Huge B52s Fan. Please just explain NO pun intended. Let me know

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/27/2019 @ 14:08pm


@ Ben

Nick is a fan of the B-52’s and cited them as one of his favorite new wave bands on his blog. The reason why I said “no pun intended” on my last post cause Rocko’s Modern Life is a cartoon series that was on Nickelodeon back from the 90’s. If anyone in my generation tell ya how they got into the B-52’s, they would tell ya about that show cause the band did made the opening theme song for it. Look it up on YouTube.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 07/27/2019 @ 14:18pm


Dude,

I am going to go out on a limb here. I haven’t been a kid watching Kid’s shows since about 1975. I just googled a lot on B52s. B52s did the Rocko theme song on Nickolodeon. I never watched Nickolodeon. After my time perhaps. I have No Kids. So Nick no pun intended is referring to Nickolodeon.
I have never watched that network. Please confirm this

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/27/2019 @ 14:20pm


Dude,

All I can say is WOW. This is an example of a small generation gap or age group difference. I had no idea. I was 8 years old in exactly 1973. 6-8 years old are active years as a little kid. Nickelodeon did Not exist. I googled to remind myself. Nickelodeon came to prominence in the 80s And became huge in the 90s. I was a grown teenager by the Early 80s. I feel rather old now. But that’s Ok. NO worries. One thing great about this site is different Generations and Age groups Chat.

I had no idea until today with your posts that B52s did a theme song on Nickelodeon. I first knew B52s when I heard Rock Lobster Around 1979. Followed by Wild Planet album in 1980. I bought that record in 1982 or so. Its a good album. I wonder if Will N knows about the Nickelodeon theme. Probably. He is a huge fan.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/27/2019 @ 14:46pm


http://mentalfloss.com/article/61851/15-fun-facts-about-rockos-modern-life

6. The theme song is by the B-52’s.

“Kate Pierson and Fred Schneider from the B-52’s sang the theme song for the show from the second season on. They were actually the second choice: Murray originally wanted Danny Elfman to create the theme, but he was booked.”

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 07/27/2019 @ 14:54pm


Thanks for the shout-out The Dude! I grew up watching Nickelodeon and Rocko was one of my favorites. On a side note, I was introduced to The B-52's when my Dad used to play a 'Best of New Wave' CD in his car and almost always played 'Rock Lobster.' This happened sometime in the mid-to-late 1990s. Because the song was so different and downright fun, I honestly didn't think it was a real song for the longest time.

Ben, here's the link to my B-52's piece. I'd love to hear what you think about it.

https://audiovisualrepository.squarespace.com/blog/rockhallcontendersb52s

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 07/27/2019 @ 23:30pm


Ben,

No I was not aware of the B-52's theme song for the Nickelodeon show. I've only seen a few shows on that network, most notably, Sponge Bob. I know the B-52's had done a few themes, including the one for The Flintstones movie.
In the late 1970's, myself and friends were into a great deal of the new music that was coming out, trying to absorb as much as we could. And Punk was exploding everywhere, Ramones, Pistols, Buzzcocks, Blondie, Talking Heads, Devo, 999, The Jam, The Damned, Dead Boys, and just tons of stuff. Then in 1979, The B-52's released their Debut album, and someone purchased it, and everybody loved it, as it was so bizarre and cool. I think what really helped to break their popularity wide open was a much bigger audience seeing them on TV for the first time. When they performed on Saturday Night Live in January of 1980, which was very memorable, intense, and groundbreaking. SNL was featuring most all of the up and coming artists of that time period, and we would always group together on Saturday night, throwing a casual, private party, and would check out the show. It was just huge at the time with Belushi, Ackroyd, Murray, Gilda, and the whole crew. So The B-52's got great exposure, and they killed it, in a super weird way playing "Dance This Mess Around", and then later, mostly closing the show with "Rock Lobster", just bringing down the house. That would be my first time ever seeing them, and I'm sure for thousands of other people also, experiencing the same across America.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 07/28/2019 @ 02:30am


Will N.,

That is a more similar experience I can relate to. I must have seen B52s on SNL in 1980. I have a vague recollection. They were part of the early New Wave movement. I was turning 15. My birthday is in January. And just as you I am certain that you bought their 2nd album Wild Planet. The big hit was Private Idaho. Party Out of Bounds and several other songs are terrific on that album. I was never a punk rock fan but I dug Blondie,Talking Heads who were also part of the new wave movement.

I didn't go on to b as huge a fan as you it seems.The B52s 3rd album is Whammy released in 1983 I recall. I didn't hear much from that one. There is a lot of diversity in my music. So sure why not include B52s in predictions of the Ballot this year. It is I believe 40 years since the release of their first album. If B52s are nominated they may even get inducted. And like I said I do own Cosmic Thing from later.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/28/2019 @ 07:26am


I do want do say that although I am a bit opposed to the synth pop. I will certainly represent them in my predictions. My representation of all that is Kraftwerk. Despite my limited knowledge I predict them based on them nominated so many times already. I looked back and found that in 2017 Depeche Mode and Kraftwerk were nominated at the same time. This is not likely again. I figure then Kraftwerk is more likely as a nominee. Going back to topic of 80s The 4 new wave/alternative I now have in mind are B52s,Duran Duran,Eurythmics and the Smiths. I notice you have a left field choice of Los Lobos. They were nominated a few years ago. I am sure about that one but it's possible.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/28/2019 @ 09:04am


I do want do say that although I am a bit opposed to the synth pop. I will certainly represent them in my predictions. My representation of all that is Kraftwerk. Despite my limited knowledge I predict them based on them nominated so many times already. I looked back and found that in 2017 Depeche Mode and Kraftwerk were nominated at the same time. This is not likely again. I figure then Kraftwerk is more likely as a nominee. Going back to topic of 80s The 4 new wave/alternative I now have in mind are B52s,Duran Duran,Eurythmics and the Smiths. I notice you have a left field choice of Los Lobos. They were nominated a few years ago. I am sure about that one but it's possible.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/28/2019 @ 09:04am


Will N.,

That last post is for you. For the 80s I gave 4 New Wave/alternative picks and I also that you have a Left field choice of Los Lobos. I am Not sure about that one.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/28/2019 @ 09:59am


“Thanks for the shout-out The Dude! I grew up watching Nickelodeon and Rocko was one of my favorites. On a side note, I was introduced to The B-52's when my Dad used to play a 'Best of New Wave' CD in his car and almost always played 'Rock Lobster.' This happened sometime in the mid-to-late 1990s. Because the song was so different and downright fun, I honestly didn't think it was a real song for the longest time.”

- Nick

No problem! The reason why I’ve mentioned Rocko cause Ben and Will were talking about B-52’s. It’s also kinda important to look at movies and TV shows cause it impacts music. Dunno about ya, but I actually think Invader Zim (another show that was on Nickelodeon) was inspired by Nine Inch Nails music wise. Listen to the show’s opening and closing theme; they’re clearly industrial music that sounded like if Trent Reznor had some sort of involvement with them.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 07/28/2019 @ 13:34pm


I noticed that Nick has done a piece on Joe Cocker, for his Rock and Roll Contenders series, which I have not read yet, but I plan to very soon. I agree that Joe Cocker is very deserving of a Nomination, and he tends to get overlooked every fall, it seems. And what better time to discuss and acknowledge the greatness of Joe Cocker, and what he makes me think of, is Woodstock. With the 50th Anniversary approaching in 3 weeks, it is a good time to discuss one of the Greatest Events in Music History, and also the contribution that Joe Cocker made to Woodstock. Also, Joe Cocker was exceptional in Woodstock '94, when he opened the Saturday show. MTV had broadcast the entire 2 days of performances on PPV, which I recorded, and watched most of it.

Instead of discussing more of Joe Cocker at this time, I would like to relay some information about the original Woodstock in 1969, that most here may already know, but I thought it was cool. The list of bands that were either invited to play, or were on the bill and could not make it, are rather interesting. And the reasons for not making it to Yasgur's Farm range from scheduling or contractual conflicts, downplaying the event as no big deal, management not allowing it, going to England instead, will be too many hippies and drugs there, bad weather predictions, chose to play elsewhere, or stuck in LaGuardia airport. The list includes:

Bob Dylan
Simon and Garfunkel
Jeff Beck Group
Led Zeppelin
The Byrds
Chicago
Tommy James and the Shondells
The Moody Blues
Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention
Arthur Lee and Love
Free
The Doors
Spirit
Joni Mitchell
Lighthouse
Procol Harum
Jethro Tull
Raven
Iron Butterfly
Blues Image
The Rascals
James Taylor
The Rolling Stones

Definitely, quite a list of talent..

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 07/28/2019 @ 23:49pm


Iron Butterfly, Jethro Tull and Procol Harum would be at the Hall right now if they played at Woodstock. I’ve been hearing about Ian Anderson’s problems with the hippies and their culture. The Beatles were supposed to be there too, but didn’t happen due to their opinions and differences on Yoko Ono having her own spot at the event.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 07/29/2019 @ 01:42am


I thought it was more about John not being able to get into the US because Nixon hated him.

So Troy L. Smith updated his ranking of every rock hall class from worst to best!

34. (Worst)2016
33. 2010
32. 2011
31. 2018
30. 2015
29. 2013
28. 2009
27. 2008
26. 2014
25. 2005
24. 2000
23. 2007
22. 1991
21. 2012
20. 2013
19. 2002
18. 2006
17. 2019
16. 1998
15. 1997
14. 2017
13. 2004
12. 1996
11. 2001
10. 1990
9. 1994
8. 1993
7. 1999
6. 1992
5. 1995
4. 1989
3. 1987
2. 1988
1. 1986


Thoughts?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 07/29/2019 @ 13:08pm


@ Follower

Nope, that’s just a political theory.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 07/29/2019 @ 13:49pm


I just read Nick's piece on Joe Cocker, with his Rock and Roll Contenders series, and making a great case for Joe Cocker's well deserved nomination and induction for RRHOF. Excellent work, and I learned a few things, especially how Billy Joel is such a great supporter and admirer of the late, great Rock and Soul singer, and was a huge inspiration for him. Also Little Steven, McCartney & Ringo are big fans. I enjoyed the story, and would recommend it for those interested.

So I would reiterate from my previous statements on Joe Cocker, that this is an opportune time to get the ball rolling for support and discussion to get Joe his first Nomination. With the 50th Anniversary of Woodstock almost here, and his notable involvement, and passionate performance, and influence on those who were fortunate enough to experience it, like Billy Joel, the time is right to get Joe in. I guess he just needs a little help from his friends..

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 07/30/2019 @ 00:46am


Follower,

2016 is far from the worst year. I will admit, I am a fan of NWA, Chicago AND Deep Purple, so my opinion is subjective, but so is his. I notice he picks the first 3 years as the best. Of course he's going to do that, because you are literally electing the pioneers of rock and roll. From what I see, he is listing a list just to list it. Every person on this planet is going to have their own opinions; he is just glorified because of his name.

On Joe Cocker, I love "When the Night Comes" and his performances are so unique with his hand gestures and how he got into songs; sadly, there's just way too many people in front of, and behind, him. I suspect he will be waiting a good long while. Although I can see them inducting him for musical excellence.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 07/30/2019 @ 03:44am


What would you consider the worst year?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 08/1/2019 @ 01:46am


I'll look through and get back to you. I have a couple ideas already...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 08/1/2019 @ 13:28pm


Only two months left until the nominees pop up! They should give us some hints on Facebook and Twitter per day; it'd be a fun way to start the countdown.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 08/1/2019 @ 17:43pm


Will N.,

I did not think too much about Joe Cocker. He has quite a bit of support. I knew Billy Joel is a fan and there is others you mentioned as fans.I do not have Joe Cocker in mind for the 2020 Ballot right now.It is very true that it is the 50th Anniversary of Woodstock. However, when it was the 40th Anniversary of Woodstock were there any performers who played or were invited to the original Wooodstock? I think Not. That would be the ballot of Fall 2009 for 2010. I will probably look at that. I go with K-Dawg on him waiting a good long while for just a nomination.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 08/2/2019 @ 08:09am


Will N.,

I checked it out. In Fall 2009 when the 2010 Ceremony approached. Keep in mind this is 10 years ago and it was the 40th Anniversary Of Woodstock. I looked at the list of Nominees in Fall 2009. There No Performers who Performed or were invited to Woodstock Nominated. There was some 60s acts nominated like The Hollies and Darlene Love. They were in fact inducted.But they were certainly NOT connected to Woodstock in any way. The Hall didnt Care about the Woodstock event at that time. The 40th Anniversary Of Woodstock was notable too. But the Hall was more concerned with other eras of Rock like the 1970s. You can look it up if you like.

Based on that. The Hall may not care enough about the 50th Ann either. In fact I am predicting Blood,Sweat & Tears from the same era. I do NOT remember if they played Woodstock.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 08/2/2019 @ 13:31pm


Will N.,

I did check out about Blood,Sweat & Tears At Woodstock. I didn’t remember that. I did not pick B,S and T based on Woodstock. I did Not remember that fact. I will stay with B,S & T and disregard Joe Cocker. He may be Nominated eventually But I don’t think So this Year. The Hall doesn’t Nominate too many acts that started in the late 60s anymore. So in picking B,S & T I will skip Joe Cocker. Perhaps you will respond to all this

Posted by Ben on Friday, 08/2/2019 @ 13:47pm


Ben,

As far as I know, there were no festivities or major planned concerts for the 40th anniversary of Woodstock. They did the 25th anniversary in 1994, and the 30th in 1999, but no celebration was organized or planned for the 40th in 2009, to my knowledge. The 3 day 25th anniversary concert in 1994 was a great and honorable tribute to the Original, and had many epic and memorable performances. Joe Cocker opened the 2nd day, Saturday show with an excellent set, like I stated before, Saturday and Sunday was broadcast on MTV/PPV. The rest of the Saturday lineup consisted of Blind Melon, Cypress Hill, Rollins Band, the Cranberries, Primus, Melissa Etheridge, The Band(featuring Hot Tuna & members of Grateful Dead), Crosby,Stills & Nash, Salt N' Pepa, Metallica, Nine Inch Nails, and Aerosmith. The best of which arguably were The Cranberries, Primus, Aerosmith, and Metallica was fantastic. Nine Inch Nails put on one of the outstanding shows I have seen, super intense and out of this world. A must see, if you can find it, it was on YT, if you like NIN.. It rained there, rather heavily on Saturday, so water, mud, and earth played a big part in the festival.

The final day, Day 3, had great performances by Green Day, Bob Dylan, Traffic, Allman Brothers, Santana, Paul Rodgers w/ Slash, Neil Schon, Porno for Pyros, Jimmy Cliff, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and closed with Peter Gabriel. So this concert was very successful, despite the weather, no real issues, great times had by all, and probably prompted promoters to do it again in 5 years for the 30th Anniversary. I think most everyone knows how that one turned out, with the riots and fires, and reckless chaos. I doubt that anyone was in a hurry to put together another Woodstock festival for awhile. I know that a few handful of bands get together every year, I think, to honor the original show on the original site, maybe Santana, Country Joe, Canned Heat, I'm not sure who all participates.

So even though the Woodstock 50 show, does not seem likely to happen, we can still go back and visit the Original, or check out Woodstock '94 again, after 25 years, it still remains as a highly memorable festival, with a lot of great performances, and is celebrating it's 25th year Anniversary.. Definitely worth checking out, for those who may have not seen it.

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 00:05am


Will N.,

That's cool info on the Woodstock festivals. I just want to clarify I was strictly talking about performers who played at the original Woodstock in 1969 that might have been nominated in Fall 2009. What I was saying is NOT Joe Cocker or any other Woodstock 69 performer was nominated. I was saying that in Fall 2009 the Hall didn't care about nominating performers who were at the Woodstock 1969 event. That would have been in Honor of the Woodstock 69 40th Anniversary. It would have been nice.

Actually I did check nominees in Fall 1999. There was a lack of interest in nominating any Woodstock 69 performers. This ballot included such acts as Eric Clapton,Bonnie Raitt,James Taylor, Lou Reed and Steely Dan. Not a single nominee heavily involved with Woodstock. The point of all this is that it is rather doubtful that Joe Cocker will be nominate to acknowledge the 50th Ann. It's like I said I am picking Blood,Sweat& Tears. It is just a coincidence. I had no recollection that B,S & T were at Woodstock 1969. You may have misunderstood my points about Woodstock. I was strictly talking about nominees reflecting past anniversaries of Woodstock 1969. Sorry if it was confusing.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 07:59am


As far as 1960s acts.I will have 3 on the 2020 Ballot. Blood,Sweat & Tears,Marvelettes and Dionne Warwick. I think these are noble choices. The 1960s is certainly a topic closely related to Woodstock. But I have No thoughts on Woodstock artists for this year. Heyy the Marvelettes had success going back to 1961. I will say that the Dude had a great point about Dionne Warwick. She was a key mellow singer in the 1960s and had a lot of success beyond. That's What friends is a good example of that.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 11:32am


I’m now starting to believe we’ll get seven inductees for the next class.

Motley Crue
Cher
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Rage Against the Machine
Notorious BIG
Dionne Warwick (She could get the most votes from the voting body)

If room for extras:

Nine Inch Nails
Soundgarden
Todd Rundgren

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 14:27pm


Dude,

That list is Cool and accurate. I never predict Inductees before the official Ballot of Nominees. That’s my way. But it’s still cool seeing other Inductee predictions Now. I knew You would choose Motley Crue as an Inductee. They are extremely likely as a Nominee and Inductee. Besides that I am Not surprised you picked Jethro Tull. They are still snubbed as of Now. That would be the Prog choice. And of course There is Dionne Warwick. You know your stuff spotting Dionne Warwick as a possibility. She would get the most votes from the Voting body. Besides her 60s hits there is her huge hit That’s What Friends are For. A lot of famous music people that helped her out on that song alone. Plus there are key names that helped her out on her albums I recall. I myself stick with Nominee picks. But it’s Cool

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 21:01pm


Another good reason why Dionne should get in cause she would open doors for the late Whitney Houston. I didn’t know both of them were cousins despite their age difference.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 21:33pm


Dude,

I think I read something like that years back about Dionne Warwick related. But I thought Dionne Warwick was Whitney H’s Aunt. I could have easiiy mixed that up

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 22:21pm


https://strathdee.wordpress.com/2013/09/10/dionne-warwick/

Yeah, she looked and sounded more like an aunt. As weird and confusing it’s sounds age wise, both Dionne and Whitney were cousins. I guess she and her family have their own definitions on certain terms. Found a good a link about her.

“Lee Drinkard would marry and become Lee Warrick and become the mother of Delia and Dionne Warrick. Her sister Emily Drinkard, would marry as Emily “Cissy” Houston and become the mother of Dionne’s cousin, Whitney Houston.”

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 22:35pm


Ben,

Point taken and acknowledged on your info on artists nominated in 2009, and no Woodstock performers included. It was not confusing, I just was not sure what direction to go with a response, so I elaborated on what initially inspired me to mention Joe Cocker, and that was FRL contributor, Nick's article, in the tweet section, on Joe Cocker, titled Rock Hall Contenders. Anyway, I must make a correction. There was an 8 hour, sold out concert on the original Woodstock grounds for the 40th Anniversary. The performers were just bands or artists from original Woodstock. Country Joe, Ten Years After, Big Brother & Holding Co., Canned Heat, Jefferson Starship, Mountain, and Levon Helm Band, at the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts. Crosby, Stills & Nash and Arlo Guthrie had also played there about a week earlier.

To get back to why no Woodstock performers were not nominated around 2009, I understand that, yes, this factor is probably not a notable influence on a nomination. But the real reason is that all of the big name bands/artists from Woodstock had already been inducted into the by 1998. The Who was the first, in 1990. Jimi Hendrix in 1992. Creedence Clearwater Revival, and Sly & the Family Stone in 1993. The Grateful Dead and The Band in 1994. Janis Joplin and Neil Young in 1995, and Jefferson Airplane in 1996. Crosby, Stills and Nash went in in 1997, and Santana in 1998. It would be a long 17 years until the Paul Butterfield Blues Band were inducted in 2015, and then Joan Baez in 2017. So by 2009, 11 Woodstock bands had already been inducted, most all of the major acts.

There are still a few artists from the original Woodstock that could get a future nomination. The possibles are:

Joe Cocker
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Richie Havens
Ten Years After
Mountain
Johnny Winter
Canned Heat
Arlo Guthrie
Ravi Shankar
Incredible String Band

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 22:59pm


Dude,

Did you happen to come across a Thelma Houston on that link or a similar one. I think Thelma Houston was an Aunt Of Whitney Houston. Thelma Houston had a huge hit in the mid 70s of a disco kind. This is long long Before Whitney Houston was singing much at all. Tell me about that as long as you are chatting about the Houston Family tree

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 23:03pm


Trying to find the most accurate part of it. But from what I’ve read on Thelma Houston’s Wikipedia page, she’s not related to Whitney despite their last names, so that could sum up why she wasn’t mentioned on the last link I’ve showed for more info and proof. Thelma is from Mississippi and Whitney was from New Jersey.

Even though there’s no family connection between the two, it’s still possible they had met each other. I think Whitney is arguably more connected to the Motown Era of R&B music (60’s and 70’s) than Janet Jackson.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 08/3/2019 @ 23:44pm


I respect all the love for Dionne Warwick and others, but Whitney Houston shouldn't need the door opened any more. She's proven she belongs, and the longer they wait especially since she tragically passed, the more of a disservice they do her. Dionne Warwick may indeed be worthy, but Whitney should have gone in years ago.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 08/4/2019 @ 02:07am


Uh, helltotheNO!!!
#keepwhitneyout
#sheandhermusicwereandarelame

Posted by KXB on Sunday, 08/4/2019 @ 08:00am


Also, enough of putting Woodstock '69 acts in the Hall! All of the major acts are in, they're NEVER gonna put in Joe Cocker (because, you know, politics and committee bee ess), and the other acts have NO business even being considered (Canned Heat? REALLY???)...

Posted by KXB on Sunday, 08/4/2019 @ 08:06am


Will N.,
Thank you for the kind words and support for my blog entry on Joe Cocker. I am pleased you found it informative. I’m currently drafting my next entry in that series and my goal is to have it done before the end of this month.

Dude,
Dionne Warwick definitely deserves HOF consideration and she’s actually on my shortlist of prospective candidates for the 2020 ballot. Ironically, all of Dionne’s ‘Friends’ are HOF inductees expect for Dionne herself. Dionne’s long-overdue and the HOF should honor her while she’s still alive and able to perform.

KXB,
Could you elaborate more on why you feel Joe Cocker does not warrant a HOF induction? This is not meant to provoke an argument, but I’m genuinely curious why you feel this way. Also, expand on your stance on why Whitney Houston should not be a HOF inductee.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 08/4/2019 @ 10:25am


KXB will never elucidate or expound on anything they say. They are merely a "show up to throw up" bastion of negativity who never really has anything constructive to add to the conversation.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08/4/2019 @ 11:37am


Phillip,
That's exactly why I asked KXB because I know it's pretty doubtful they will expand on their harsh judgments of specific artist(s). Not to say they're wrong or anything, but I like to have civil discussion as much as the next FRL contributor.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 08/4/2019 @ 11:42am


Phillip,
That's exactly why I asked KXB because I know it's pretty doubtful they will expand on their harsh judgments of specific artist(s). Not to say they're wrong or anything, but I like to have civil discussion as much as the next FRL contributor.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 08/4/2019 @ 11:42am


“I respect all the love for Dionne Warwick and others, but Whitney Houston shouldn't need the door opened any more. She's proven she belongs, and the longer they wait especially since she tragically passed, the more of a disservice they do her. Dionne Warwick may indeed be worthy, but Whitney should have gone in years ago.”

Whitney maybe deceased, but she’s way too big to be ignore. I can understand the Hall needs to induct more female acts who are still around, but she influenced a lot divas in pop and R&B music who followed her footsteps. Whitney sold over 200 million copies worldwide, won a couple of Grammys or more, and had four number one albums on the Billboard 200.

I actually do see her get inducted within a few years from now. Hell, I actually think she was a way better singer than Beyoncé, Mariah Carey, and Rihanna.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 08/4/2019 @ 13:36pm


“That's exactly why I asked KXB because I know it's pretty doubtful they will expand on their harsh judgments of specific artist(s). Not to say they're wrong or anything, but I like to have civil discussion as much as the next FRL contributor.”

Don’t take KXB’s comments to seriously; he’s a whiny troll who secretly wants some guy who wrote the “I Love You” theme song from Barney in the Hall of Fame. 😁😁😁😁😁

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 08/4/2019 @ 16:22pm


K-Dawg,

Do you have your own opinion on which class is the worst in the Hall's history now?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 08/7/2019 @ 13:17pm


Looking back at all the years, I'd have to anoint 2011 as the worst. From my perspective, the only slam dunk in that class is Neil Diamond. Some fringe artists, and definitely a pet project or 2 in there. I will admit, I'm not the most well-versed in folk rock, and am not all familiar with all of the artists. I do know Alice Cooper and Neil Diamond extensively. The only other class I could give a close argument, and it's not even all that close, is 2015. Stevie Ray Vaughan is the second best act on that list to go in, and if memory serves, he wouldn't have been thought of if they hadn't won the fan vote. Joan Jett, Lou Reed (mind you he already went in with Velvet), and Bill Withers do have merit, but I feel their run was briefer than some before, and nothing against Green Day, they went in 5-10 years before they should have.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 08/9/2019 @ 01:31am


K-Dawg,

I can honestly agree that 2011 was the worst Class. Neil Diamond was the only Slam dunk in that Class. Alice Cooper deserved it but there are other Hard Rock acts that could have been inducted first like Deep Purple. They are inducted Now but could have been sooner. The Rest Of the Class for 2011 could have waited. Other acts could have gotten inducted sooner.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 08/9/2019 @ 13:59pm


I'm only re-posting to keep it fresh for myself, and others, to see where we sit compared to months ago. Largely I find my list pretty close to how I see it, maybe a bit of a wish list, but here we are:

I'm not often one to do this, but I will offer my way-too-early-to-tell nominees list for 2019/20:

1. Jethro Tull
2. Depeche Mode
3. The Spinners
4. Kraftwerk
5. Bad Company
6. Whitney Houston
7. Pat Benatar
8. The Monkees
9. Kate Bush
10. Alice in Chains
11. Duran Duran
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Rage Against the Machine
14. Beck
15. Foreigner
16. The Eurythmics
17. Motley Crue
18. Todd Rundgren

This is very much subject to change. I believe that they will skip a year or two of hip hop, although a Snoop, Outkast, or Biggie nom would not surprise me.

Two takeaways, apart from the obvious Jethro Tull/Kraftwerk are criminally underrecognized point

One, now that the Cure is in, expect a full-blown push for New Wave, as it finally has come time to recognize their significance, and without New Wave, you don't have any of the rock music that was shaped in the 90s. So the 2 "D" bands (Depeche and Duran Duran) very well may go in together, or one this and one next voting cycle. Kate Bush, the Eurythmics, even Midnight Oil had crossed my mind as getting nominated this time. I think it will take over as the hall's obsession du jour

Secondly, I mentioned NIN will get an nomination this year after a brief absence; I expect they will get inducted this time, as they are the real pioneer behind the "nu metal", whatever you want to call it, they were the first real Internet rock superstar.

And, expect Whitney to get the pop slot, if not Tina Turner or Cher even, but if Janet went in last year, it'd be great to see Whitney get her due, it's been almost 7 years since she left us, and her voice WAS the 80s.

Kraftwerk and Jethro Tull are my slam dunks at this point. I have some others in mind, but I'll keep them close to the vest.

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 08/9/2019 @ 15:26pm


@ K-Dawg

When it comes to grunge, I think Soundgarden is more likely to get nominated and maybe inducted for the next class. If Layne Staley was still alive in good health conditions - or at least lived longer - and showed more activity with Alice In Chains, he and the rest of band would be in the Hall now. While it’s true Nirvana lost their vocalist at a very young age and got in at first year, but that’s only because Kurt Cobain is on the “27 Club” list.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 08/9/2019 @ 15:47pm


In the NFL (football), they are talking about punting their usual 6 inductees per year to increase to a one-time allowance of up to 20 inductees to clear some of the backlog that league has faced in getting eligible players in as more become able to be inducted every year. Do you think the Rock Hall should do something like this?

In 1986, I believe there were 10 inductees; while it kickstarted the movement, I believe at times there are too many deserving acts to too few spots.

Doing this, I feel, might help us to finally entrench ourselves in the 80s and 90s instead of having a straggler or 3 from the 60s or 70s get in. Trust me, I know there's a lot of 70s acts arguably still on the outside looking in

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 08/9/2019 @ 18:48pm


@ K-Dawg

They really need to get back inducting ten acts yearly. Twenty sounds too massive unless they could do a two night ceremony like Eric from Hall Watchers suggested. But my biggest question is will it be worth the risk for them to do more than one night financially?

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 08/9/2019 @ 19:21pm


Damn, I forgot to but my kinda-way-too-early-but-screw-it predictions!

1. Jethro Tull
2. Kraftwerk
3. MC5
4. Duran Duran
5. Pat Benatar
6. The Go-Go's
7. Warren Zevon
8. Motley Crue
9. Blink-182
10. Whitney Houston
11. Phil Collins (Solo)
12. Freddie Mercury (Solo)
13. Depeche Mode
14. Nine Inch Nails
15. Soundgarden

Who I think the inductees will be if we get this nominee class:
1. Motley Crue
2. Duran Duran
3. Nine Inch Nails
4. Whitney Houston
5. Pat Benatar
6. Freddie Mercury (If we get 6)
7. Jethro Tull (If we get 7)
8. Kraftwerk (If we get 8)

Posted by Jason Dagotto on Friday, 08/9/2019 @ 21:10pm


Stop trying to make solo Freddie Mercury happen!!!

#thefanpollstinks

Posted by KXB on Friday, 08/9/2019 @ 23:38pm


Solo Freddie is way more than worthy than some guy who wrote the “I Love You” theme song from Barney (Which is what KXB secretly wants).

😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 08/9/2019 @ 23:48pm


Freddie Mercury as a soloist is totally fetch!

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 08/10/2019 @ 00:17am


Apparently I don't often agree with this KXB dude, but I do think Freddie shouldn't really get a solo induction. Same thing with Stevie Nicks. Great talent and arguably he's the back bone of Queen. But, hey, let's induct David Coverdale because he has one album.

And no, Barney doesn't even belong in the Kids Music Hall of Fame LOL

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 08/10/2019 @ 01:41am


K-Dawg,

About Half your list are ones I predict for 2020 Ballot. I agree with Jethro Tull and Kraftwerk. Huge fan of J Tull but Kraftwerk Not a Fan At alll. I’m Just objective with these lists. I willl take a small Hiatus from this type of Chatting On Nominee predictions Until 2020 Nominee section is set Up. I was convinced to Not do an Hiatus by Enig. Ironically I have NOT seen him at all. This forum anyway. Enig May have thought I wanted to leave the whole site. Enig,King And Sue And Others May be
Chatting on other sections or Forums. Freddy Mercury Solo is Totally Crazy. See you all on the 2020 Nominee forum

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 08/10/2019 @ 13:51pm


We probably have less than sixty days left.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 08/10/2019 @ 14:07pm


It's August 10 today and time for KING to crush a 21 Nomination List. Black Jack!!! Have time to refine my list.

1. Bryan Adams
2. Nine Inch Nails (NIN)
3. Alice In Chains
4. Depeche Mode
5. Diana Ross
6. Judas Priest
7. Jane's Addiction
8. Procol Harum
9. Motley Crue
10. Steve Winwood
11. Bad Company
12. Lenny Kravitz
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. T.Rex
15. Rufus/Chaka Khan
16. The Eurythmics
17. X
18. Ian Hunter/Mott The Hoople
19. Gloria Estefan/MSM
20. Iron Maiden
21. Willie Nelson
KING 👑

Posted by KING on Saturday, 08/10/2019 @ 16:24pm


I don't have time right now to peruse overmuch, but Judas Priest and Iron Maiden on the same ballot? Ballsy. I think they both belong, I just think there's too much stigma towards metal on the Nom Com right now to put maybe even one of them on. It makes no sense, but it's them. They are their own quirky little group.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 08/10/2019 @ 17:31pm


Well, Barney's theme song is about as musically complex as the tunes of Whitney Houston, Bryan Adams, Bread, and their flavorless ilk, so why not advocate that as well?

Posted by KXB on Saturday, 08/10/2019 @ 18:26pm


Most of the time I do agree with KXB. I would not short the matter down as radical as KXB does and I'm not on Twitter (so no hashtag for me), but I believe he (or she, don't know) has some knowledge of good music.

And I don't know who's Barney. There's no Barney around here in (continental) Europe. We had the Teletubbies, and that's terrible enough. And if Freddie Mercury solo will be considered, no one ever shall complain about Percy Sledge again.

Posted by MichaelEU on Sunday, 08/11/2019 @ 10:06am


While I don't support the induction of Freddie Mercury (Solo), looking at his cultural icon status and how well he's been doing in the fan poll I see him as nearly a lock for induction this year. Similar to Nicks' solo induction, except Mercury's solo work was no where near as good in my personal opinion.

Posted by Jason Dagotto on Sunday, 08/11/2019 @ 10:33am


NOT happening! STOP feeding the fan-poll trolls 🐸...

Posted by KXB on Sunday, 08/11/2019 @ 11:32am


Ben,

Actually, I have periodically monitored this site, however I had remained very busy. I had worked 18 consecutive days in a row, during the past several weeks. 👌

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/11/2019 @ 11:43am


We need a diatribe about Jethro Tull (one of my choices this year) and Procol Harum and their worthiness for the RRHOF. It has been a minute, Enig.

Quick side question: what do you think of Can? Are they worth even a sniff in the RRHOF direction for even song? Vitamin C was a song tons ahead of its time in terms of innovation.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 08/11/2019 @ 11:47am


@ K-Dawg

Can is one of those bands that should get in; but it might not be easy cause Krautrock is one of those sub-genres the general public aren’t familiar with (at least outside of their home country Germany and it’s surroundings). I could picture members from Scorpions and Kraftwerk vote for them once they get inducted at some point cause they’re also German. Can was also a psychedelic band during their early years, so that could be enough support from the voting body.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 08/11/2019 @ 12:57pm


I will redo my list as I have time. Will see where I get

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 08/14/2019 @ 01:36am


@The Dude and K-Dawg,

I doubt that members from Kraftwerk will vote for Can or Scorpions just because they're German. Kraftwerk will (and I hope they get the chance to soon) vote for Can because they're Electronic Music pioneers just like themselves. Nationality shouldn't be a reason to form an oppinion. I, for myself, don't think that Scorpions shall be in the Hall (they are outstanding in Germany and the surroundings, trust me I'm a native "surrounding") but where to rank them? Above Blue Öyster Cult? Above The Guess Who? Above Steppenwolf? I don't think so. I don't want bands to get inducted just because they give the hall an exotic touch (which is very weird, because the European and the American cultural space is exactly the same).

I agree, Krautrock (which is a terrible term BTW) should get some recognition. Kraftwerk is a shoe-in, Can maybe, Neu! would be dream come true. Scorpions are neither impressive nor innovative IMO, just solid musical quality. I really like their songs, and I think "Wind of Change" actually brought a change of the political system or at least a change of the people's minds. That's their merit. With that written, I'm not against a Scorpions nomination or induction anymore. Musical excellence is one criteria, impact is another one. I prefer musical excellence. So Kraftwerk (or Can or Neu! or Einstürzende Neubauten of course) before Scorpions.

Kraftwerk is by far the most outrageous snub of the hall. Once they are in, we can talk about all the others. And I really think ALL others.

Posted by MichaelEU on Thursday, 08/15/2019 @ 14:52pm


@ MichaelEU

Actually, Scorpions aren't a stretch as some FRL regulars would think. Even though, they're more on the hard rock side of heavy music, but they did influenced a lot of metal (the real definition, NOT the historical one) bands in their home country like Accept, Rammstein, Kreator, Helloween, Destruction, Warlock, and Necrophagist.

As for bands outside of Germany, guys like Bon Jovi, Metallica, Motley Crue (who will get inducted next year), and Def Leppard cited them as one of their influences. Scorpions were one of the building blocks of New Wave British Heavy Metal, 80's Glam/Hard Rock, and thrash. I absolutely love the 70's albums and those are their best effort IMO.

I think It's a bad idea for the Hall to skip them cause that would make things even more harder to open doors and induct other certain bands like Motorhead, Megadeth, Pantera, Slayer, Anthrax, etc.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 08/15/2019 @ 15:29pm


@ The Dude & Michael EU,

To Dude, Thank you for putting the impact and influence of the Scorpions into perspective, which is much more concise than I could have said it. And you know that I am a big fan of their entire 70's catalogue, and I will also add they have put out new music over a 5 decade span. Unlike Steppenwolf,who Michael mentioned, they were huge in late 60's, early 70's, but very little new material after that. I love Steppenwolf, and they should be in HOF, but I rate Scorpions higher. Blue Oyster Cult is my favorite band of all time, but I would still rate Scorpions much higher than them. The Guess Who is another story. One of the bigger snubs, IMO, and I would hope they get nominated for the next class. I would rate them above Scorpions. As far as Kraftwerk, they should be in with the upcoming candidates, as they were teetering on the edge of induction last December. I would predict, that as long as they get nominated later this year, they should be on the short list for induction. I am also hoping for a nomination and induction for T. Rex, as well..

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 08/15/2019 @ 23:27pm


MichaelEU and other assorted gentlemen,

First off, I am a huge Scorpions fan. The Zoo, Rhythm of Love, and Send Me an Angel are on my workout playlist regularly. The guitar riffs are unmatched, and I equate them with Def Leppard as my love of guitar metal. They definitely have a spot in the RRHOF. The problem is, while the Hall has gone to great lengths to get every 60s band that every individual member likes (and mind you, I think the Monkees and Herman's Hermits arguably have very good cases beyond some who were already inducted), they have really created a vacuum for the traditional hard rock genre that borders on metal. Most of the bands who have gotten in the past few years who are indeed rock are either AM rock or popular rock, notably Journey, ELO, Dire Straits, what have you. This is why Foreigner, and yes, the Doobies, are early favorites for nomination this year. It's really the rock that people remember, and the stuff that gets jammed down our throats by these multimedia FM stations that play the same 300 songs on shuffle because of some stupid algorithm that projects the songs most people like to hear. The traditional classic rock station is largely lost, much now acting like the contemporary top 40 stations.

That being said, it's going to take a huge effort to reinsert harder edged rock to metal into the voting forum, simply because the RRHOF is so ill equipped at this point to induct more than a handful of bands while the backlog grows. We do need a number of classes of large inductee numbers, and it's because simply that all the genres that have evolved from pure rock and roll have so many deserving members. This is true in heavy metal, R and B, pop music, hip hop, techno, new wave, alternative, and the list goes on. Music is so interconnected, that it's really impossible to recognize every single band to sate every single fan. In my opinion, the Hall really pissed in the wind last year twice, inducting a 2 hit wonder in the Zombies, and an artist who really made her mark as a member of a band, and while she has a smattering of hits, her other biggest ones were part of duets with other HOFers; Stevie Nicks if you're nasty. And this goes to the problem of the nomcom being so cliquish.

On that note, Kraftwerk is the biggest snub by far, I agree 1000 percent. They should have gone in last year.

It remains to be seen how things will progress this year, but I fear the hard rock/heavy metal may have to wait a bit.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 08/16/2019 @ 02:03am


The Zombies were 3 hit wonders!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 08/16/2019 @ 07:19am


Re: the Zombies.
There far more than just those 3 hits that qualified their induction

Posted by Mark on Friday, 08/16/2019 @ 14:58pm


No disrespect intended; the Zombies simply seem to me to be a band inducted, that, while part of the British invasion, was on a significantly lower tier. I argued last year that Herman's Hermits really had more noteworthy stuff in their arsenal, and they've never even been nominated. Time of the Season is one of the most well-known songs in rock, but if they've done more than so many other deserving bands, it hasn't been on the charts. Every person has their biases of their favorite bands and wants to see them get honored as much as possible. Personally, I love songs by the Smithereens, but in no way am I going to ever think they are going to get a nomination, and if they did, the nomcom should have their heads examined and credentials revoked.

My point is, putting in everyone that is associated with a movement or event (British invasion, Woodstock) really takes away from the magnitude and uniqueness of being in the RRHOF. This is why Kraftwerk, who has been snubbed for 10 years or more, isn't yet in is because the committee is putting in not even second or third tier bands of a genre in some instances

I would like to hear people's thoughts on what I said about FM stations getting these algorithms of what songs to play and people's affinity for certain bands/acts because of the frequency their favorite songs are still played. (I call it, for contemporary sake, the Foreigner Syndrome). This doesn't exclude a band from being worthy necessarily; it just means we get oversaturation of mainstream rock and the other genres, be they more hard-edged or more experimental or what have you, get shoved off to the side. Enlighten me with your perspectives, please.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 08/17/2019 @ 13:51pm


@ K-Dawg

Currently, there's a situation where the media consolidated a lot in America- and it's way too much.

Nearly all of American Media are controlled by a handful of big companies: Comcast, Disney, National Amusements, Time Warner, and News Corporation. The Rock Hall has a connection to Warner, since that company owns HBO and maybe Warner Music Group. The Hall's management mostly wants to induct acts that have three radio staples or more in order draw crowds at ceremonies and the museum other than getting ratings much as they could yearly.

Clear Channel/iHeartMedia is a perfect example of radio cause the company has been going around, buying up stations here for over two decades and owned almost 900 stations. It's now at the point where there's almost no independent stations left. And in some market, they own EVERY station.

Before the mid-90's, there used to be a regulation against it, but there were a lot of deregulation, and now companies like iHeartmedia have been able to do that. The limitation of terrestrial radio is made to be a relationship game that we can't play.

But that doesn’t mean terrestrial is dead. A lot of Causal music listeners who don’t have the money and time to buy music used the radio regularly for localism and companionship. I remember playing Sirius XM on the way home. My dad always tunes back to terrestrial cause he’s very obese with localism, and told me how much he hates it cause it’s too national with no or only little companionship (Which is funny cause his favorite morning show is no longer held at my home area).

It’s now the number one “reach” media. More and more people are listening to terrestrial cause it’s local, easy to turn on, and of course free. What you really want is less corporatism.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 08/17/2019 @ 16:29pm


Re: Zombies.
Get the Decca stereo editions and the lp Odyssey and Oracle.
The material is far from 2nd tier and not comparable to the Hermits.
My conclusion is that most comments are in lack of familiarization of their complete output.

Posted by Mark on Saturday, 08/17/2019 @ 17:54pm


When is the 2020 Future Rock legends Forum for Nominee predictions starting. I can’t find anything on this. This is around the time it starts usually. Some body let me know. That’s what I’m waiting for

Posted by Ben on Monday, 08/19/2019 @ 11:24am


Ben and anyone else interested...

I just found the new board. It is on the lefthand side with the other active message boards titled 2020 predictions. Maybe we all migrate over there? Good luck all to your favorite predictions!

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 08/23/2019 @ 02:44am


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