I am really disapointed Bad Company is not conjoined with Free

Posted by willm on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:03am

What a ballot...

So strange...

No metal...

Only one rap

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:03am

I think maiden is destined for ME this year

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:06am

And Steve Van Zandt finally won with Chubby Checker

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:07am

man who predicted PHISH or, the black crowes either. i love the black crowes but i NEVER expected them on the noms list for a while, and before AIC or Weezer or Smashing pumpkins. The Crowes fall in line with Lenny and Sheryl, safe 70s derived 90s acts.

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:10am

I think Outkast are destined to get in this year there is literally only 1 rap act nominated that is as clear of a lane as you can possibly get

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:11am

Inshallah Mariah Carey will fail again because i do not like her music

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:12am

They are definitely appealing to the Rock purists now

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:12am

It is a relatively weak ballot I think.

Mariah Carey, Chubby Checker, Bad Company, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, Outkast, Soundgarden are my early guess.

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:13am

Will M,

Mariah Carey is going to be in I think. Except for Chubby Checker, and maybe Cyndi Lauper, she has no competition actually.

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:15am

Mariah Carey, Chubby Checker, Bad Company, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, Oasis, Outkast, Soundgarden are my early guess.

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:15am

I feel like it's Soundgarden's time finally

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:15am

I probably give it a B+. Economical 14 Nominees. Bad Company finally!!!! No Iron Maiden but could be Musical Excellence. I had Black Crowes for next year but good to see them nominated. Billy Idol has been gathering steam last few years. Going to be tough for Joy tDivision/New Order again. Strong ballot. Mariah Carey should be inducted this time around. Definitely will be a strong induction class no matter how it shakes out. They decided on Soundgarden again as I decided on Alice In Chains.
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:16am

Alec T,

yes, I think Soundgarden will follow the same path with Kate Bush and ATCQ and Spinners and RATM.

Most nominated acts on the ballot are all in since 2023.

Also, I expect a NY Dolls and Maiden combination in ME this year.

Thoughts?

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:17am

My predictions:

Bad Company
Mariah Carey
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Oasis
OutKast
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

Spoiler: Joe Cocker

Chubby Checker inducted via Musical Influence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:17am

The strangest ballot ever.

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:23am

anyone else think this ballot is a little too... White? Feels weird to say that but like, only 3 black noms (Outkast Mariah and Chubby) and Hiro/Kim in Soundgarden, everyone else is white. This ballot Feels like near the end of the Wenner years

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:24am

I think Chubby and Cocker have good chance

All boomers acts were voted in last year

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:24am

Still think it is an open ballot. Likes of Black Crowes could actually pull an upset

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:26am

oh yea and Mana,

but i have never heard of this band in my life, if they were going for spanish language id way more expect soda stereo or a second nom for los lobos

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:26am

Yikes only two women on the ballot this year, as opposed to five last year. Clearly setting up Cyndi and Mariah to steamroll their way into induction. If they omit one, or God forbid both from induction, then shut down this entire institution. Hoping Diana Ross gets in ME this year though, she totally stopped the show at the Grammys last week when she appeared on stage.

The multiple voting fan ballot hack doesn't work this time?

Posted by ChrisD on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:27am

ROCK HALL OF FAME: MARIAH CAREY, PHISH, OASIS, OUTKAST, BILLY IDOL, JOY DIVISION LEAD NOMINEES

This is the title of the news from RS magazine

Seems RS think these acts are biggest from nominees

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:28am

Chris D,

completely agreed on this bizarre lack of women. only 2 and neither are rock n rollers. Feels backwards after several years of near even male/female nominees

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:32am

Is Billy Idol more like George Michael or Lenny Kravitz?

Do not think he is sure "lock"

Lenny is way connected than him and has similar popularity

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:32am

omar,

I'll be shocked if Phish dont win the fan vote-Jam Band fans are really intense

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:33am

This is VERY similar to the 2020 ballot. At that ballot, there was only two female acts. One rap act (I believe) and the rest were rockers and new wavers.

In 2020, the two female nominees were Whitney Houston and Pat Benatar. This year, it's Mariah Carey and Cyndi Lauper.

Outkast will likely go in now since nothing is holding them back from them as far as rap goes.

Chubby Checker, Billy Idol and Bad Company were the acts many voters were DEMANDING to be nominated. I didn't vote for the Chubbster first time around but next vote, I might!

White Stripes being nominated again, yes!

Soundgarden back! Yes.

The Black Crowes is much LK: a 90s retro band.

Joe Cocker finally got a nomination! About damn time JFC!

Early picks so far:
Bad Company
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Joe Cocker
OutKast
Oasis
White Stripes
Soundgarden (if 8, still iffy since I predicted they were gonna get in)

JD+NO will get the Musical Excellence entry

Chubby Early Influence

I think Cyndi carries more momentum than Mariah but we'll see.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:34am

Will M

https://vote.rockhall.com

Right now Phish sits near the bottom

But most people do not get up

May change later

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:35am

I will say Soundgarden are probably a lock

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:36am

Will M: I remember last year going back and forth with you on Mariah and I mentioned how the Hall would rather scrape the bottom of the barrel by nominating the people like the Black Crowes the next year...and look where we are LMAO

Fun fact: Both Mariah and The Black Crowes were nominated for the Grammy Best New Artist in 1991. Guess who won...

Posted by ChrisD on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:37am

Will M

They are most nominated act on the ballot and I think they are in, just like Kate Bush, ATCQ, Spinners, Rage

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:38am

Will m,

Yes and no. I think because sometimes they nominate a lot of diverse picks that they cancel each other out. We saw what happened in 2014 for example. Multiple black nominees in a rockist class and that year they all got canceled out especially in a list that had Nirvana, Kiss and Hall & Oates.

I was more offended that year due to some of the picks or in that case, one (Cat Stevens???).

As a black voter, I'm okay with this.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:40am

Mana has to be the most insane nomination so far in the Hall, I think that was so left field even those expecting a Latin artist weren't expecting them to be the one focused on. I'm happy they are finally listening to adding international artists

This honestly is a really insane and great list IMO. Too much to discuss to get to it all immediately

Posted by GuestG on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:41am

I feel Chubby Checker will be in this year

He may die anytime and rock hall does not want miss the chance to honor him

i think he will be inducted as performer this year

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:41am

ChrisD,

Wouldn't it be funny if they did a switcheroo here? Mariah was clearly the top pick of 91, no question. This IS the Rock Hall after all haha

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:44am

omar,

I think that Chubby will go in via Musical Influence, rather than as a Performer. I just think that the 50's/early 60's era are long done for at this point except the side categories.

So I think that the inductees will be: Bad Company, Mariah Carey, Billy Idol, Cyndi Lauper, Oasis, OutKast, Soundgarden and The White Stripes. with Joe Cocker and Joy Division/New Order as potential spoilers.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:46am

Omar,

Hmm you might be right (Chubby inducted as a performer). If they do he'll be the first 1960s act in YEARS to get in as a performer (Dionne Warwick got in through Musical Excellence). He deserves an induction. They really screwed him up in the Jann years.

I don't think Jann cared much to Bad Company or Joe Cocker either so I'm evil cackling lol

Not bad, Sykes!!!

I think he wants Mariah in due to the VH1 connection (Divas) though Cyndi also participated in Divas.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:50am

Outkast will be in (only rap artist, made a clear lane for them, about time they got nominated)

Bad Company will be in (the main boomer rock that every boomer is going to make their mission to get in)

Oasis will be in (they became too relevant with that tour to not include)

Mariah, Lauper, Idol should be in with their standing, but won't underestimate a spiteful industry. Also if Mariah and Lauper are competing directly here

The remaining 1-4? Only Mana is out since they won't vote international. Rest could be anyone. Soundgarden has the most nominations advantage, Cocker might be a Zevon, Phish is going to have DMB level support. Move to internet votes might skew towards newer artists

Posted by GuestG on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:51am

The top 7 right now:
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Joe Cocker
Bad Company
Soundgarden
Chubby Checker
The Black Crowes

Joy Division + New Order, Oasis and the White Stripes just right below them but they could gather some votes. Phish is surprisingly low though… it's still early.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:54am

no coldplay is interesting, we're winding up to the time where if not fye, an appropriate amount of time to induct them

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:55am

GuestG,

I have a bittersweet hunch that they only pick Cyndi in the female category. Unlike 2021-2024, there won't be two female inductees and Cyndi definitely has more momentum rn. Especially after she inducted Cher (I believe, no pun intended).

But Mariah could definitely pull an upset: in 2020, when Whitney and Pat were nominated, I thought Pat and Whitney could both get in but the Rock Hall had other plans…

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 05:59am

Will M,

Coldplay is this year's surprise snub, the way Outkast was last year

My two guesses with them:

1. They still can't commit to performing when they said they could
2. Their general decline in form from the 2000s into the 2010s into making very critically panned but commercially successful pop is hindering their nomination. They might be appreciative of the first two albums and up to Viva but then see a band who sold out hard and made generic releases for over a decade, and not have the peer support to be brought up for nomination or get enough votes to pass. Compare to Radiohead, who was clearly in high standing and immediately nominated despite being less popular and selling less than Coldplay, and they made sure Radiohead got in as soon as possible.

Posted by GuestG on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 06:01am

GuestG

It is possible rock hall think they should induct oasis first and can wait for Coldplay

Rock hall may definitely make Oasis induction 100% happening in this year and do not want anyone split votes

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 06:04am

My predictions:
Bad Company
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Mariah Carey
Outkast
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

Could sneak in: Black Crowes, JD/NO, Oasis

Has little to no chance: Phish, Chubby Checker, Mana, Joe Cocker

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 06:09am

Isn't it "cool" to not like Coldplay these days...especially among rock purist groups...after they abandoned their indie/alt roots for commercial appeal. Which was positive for them, considering they can sell out any 50K+ seat stadium anywhere in the world at any point in time. I also remember Chris Martin being a non infrequent target on Family Guy. Or maybe they're waiting for a quieter year for them to headline. When Beyoncé and Rihanna and the rest of their 2000's peers start being inducted...it's going to be stacked and the Hall will see a renewed interest from the GP, so much that I think the ceremony will be ABC's direct competition with CBS's Grammys.

Anyway I just listened to Manà's top five on Spotify and my first impression is that they sound like The Police. And then a quick google search shows that they're almost consistently ranked second or lower in any abstract list of "greatest latin rock bands". Santana is always first.

Posted by ChrisD on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 06:16am

Timothy,

There's the chance both gets in, there's no third option like before between them and they don't cover the exact same genre. But it's probably a battle between the two, and one is more successful and had the Cher moment of the year with the lawyer comment while the other might have more industry support.

Omar,

White Stripes were nominated as the 2000s rock, I think they are the focus over Coldplay. They are more critically praised than Coldplay despite being less popular overall so I'm thinking they are taking that critical poor standing Coldplay has now in account for delaying their induction.

Posted by GuestG on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 06:18am

Official fan vote update:
Billy Idol emerging as the clear leader but Cyndi is right on his (leather) boots!

Phish might be making a push soon, stay tuned.

Mariah's at the near bottom compared to last time (Mary J's votes on the fan poll were lower than MC's last year). But Mary wasn't at the bottom either so…

Again, still early.

Chubby in the top seven is shockingly satisfying. :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 06:24am

What a strange ballot. I like surprises, but we've got some out there picks this year. Also just for clarity, the total number of women nominated is four? Oof, we're backsliding.

- OUTKAST ON THE BOARD!! And this ballot positions them as basically a lock to get in.

- I'm happy to see Joy Division, Cyndi Lauper, Mariah Carey, The White Stripes, and Soundgarden back, and I think all of them have a reasonable shot to get in.

-Chubby Checker on the ballot and not through Influence or Excellence seems weird.

- Not loving The Black Crowes or Phish being on here.

- Mana is the rare nominated artist that I am completely unfamiliar with - gotta check them out.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 06:59am

Except for Mana, every one else could be voted in.

Not that hard ballot

International acts should have another route, Mana, Fela Kuti would never be voted in

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:04am

I don't think a genre switch is enough to justify Coldplay being snubbed. They are still the most culturally relevant pop band of the 21st century, so the Hall will be looking out of touch regardless. Besides, having the most attended tour of all time while pioneering sustainability should count for something, right? Music critics praised the shows a lot too, even the ones that panned their recent albums.

Posted by Gus on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:05am

Man, the ballot really has no pattern now and it is extremely hard to predict


Strangest ballot ever

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:09am

Pretty interesting class.

Most excited to see Joe Cocker and OutKast get their noms. I've been hoping for Joe to get his chance for a long time. No idea how good his odds are of induction. OutKast seems like a pretty sure thing though.

We probably should have seen Phish coming since DMB got in last year, but I really never gave them much thought. Fun to see them there but I don't think they get inducted.

I like the Black Crowes but, much like Lenny last year, I feel this is too early for them and they should have waited a few more years before getting a nom.

With no metal acts on the ballot, I think the chances go up for Soundgarden and White Stripes. Maybe Billy Idol. Hard rockers will have to vote for someone.

And Chubby Checker getting a nom totally dispels the notion that the singles category was blocker for artists to get in. Link Wray got inducted by a side category but I think Chubby is the first artist to get a nom after being in the singles category.

If I had a ballot (I think they get to pick 7): OutKast, Joy Division/New Order, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, White Stripes, Bad Company, Chubby Checker

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:14am

I think the 2025 inductees will be:

Bad Company
Mariah Carey
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Oasis
OutKast
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

Spoilers: Joe Cocker, Joy Division/New Order

Chubby Checker gets inducted via Musical Influence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:15am

richie,

sounds great, but I think Joe Cocker has better chance than maybe white stripes, boomer will mostly vote for him

Also, Chubby will get almost all black votes, rnb votes and many boomer votes, which seems to enough to push him in.

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:20am

I'm as surprised as everyone else that Coldplay isn't on the list. Also thought they'd have one of Alanis/Bjork/Sinead/Tori on there. Bummed they were left off.

And no classic R&B or funk. Very disappointing after Kool & the Gang and the Spinners did so well the last two years. The ballot would look dramatically different with Barry White, the Pointer Sisters, or Diana Ross on it. They wouldn't even have to remove anyone, as a 15 artist ballot would be just fine.

Was rooting for Phil Collins, War, and B-52's nominations as well, but I guess they will have to wait.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:21am

omar,

but I think Chubby gets in via Musical Influence rather than as a Performer because I think that the 50's/early 60's era are long done for at this point except in in the side categories.

As for Joe Cocker, I just have a really hard time seeing him get in on his first try especially if Warren Zevon failed to do so 2 years ago in 2023, so I see Cocker doing the same (though I see him as a potential spoiler).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:24am

omar,

Remember, This is the first year that the actual voting is going to be done online instead of paper ballots and I think that will hurt Chubby Checker and favor towards more newer acts.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:28am

Michael W

I feel Chubby fits old rnb spot

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:30am

GuestG,

I wouldn't be surprised. This year, it's just them but again, I'm more of a skeptic now than I was in, say, 2020.

Like I said, the list mirrors 2020 and in 2020, the list of nominees were:

Dave Matthews Band (jam band)
Depeche Mode (electronica/techno/alt rock)
The Doobie Brothers (boomer rock/blues rock/blues rock/blue eyed soul)
Judas Priest (heavy metal)
Kraftwerk (electronica/techno)
MC5 (hard rock/proto punk rock)
Motorhead (heavy metal)
Nine Inch Nails (industrial rock)
The Notorious B.I.G. (hip-hop)
Pat Benatar (arena rock)
Whitney Houston (pop/R&B/dance)
T. Rex (glam rock)
Rufus with Chaka Khan (funk/R&B)
Soundgarden (grunge/hard rock/metal)
Thin Lizzy (hard rock)
Todd Rundgren (progressive rock/blue eyed soul/power pop)

Slightly more nominees and 2020 brought six inductees in the performers class rather than five, which was the maximum accepted number until recently.

So 2020 ended up inducting:

The sole rapper (B.I.G.)
The sole glam rock band (T. Rex)
The sole boomer rockers (Doobies)
One electronica/techno act (Depeche Mode)
The sole industrial rock band (Nine Inch Nails)
The sole pop/R&B diva (Whitney)

This year is about similar:

Phish is in place of Dave Matthews (who eventually got in last year)

OutKast is the sole rap act that the Notorious B.I.G. was in 2020.

Joy Division + New Order is the sole electronica act this time so they definitely could stand a chance but likely not since it may air on ABC/Disney but who knows?

Mariah is in place of where Whitney was in 2020 and she's definitely the biggest name on this list, which is why many believe she's a lock (the fan vote says otherwise but Jay Z wasn't heavily voted either and look what happened)

But Cyndi is not Pat Benatar so I think we're in for a fight but the optimist in me rather see them both get in together rather than in 2020. It's a slight chance that may happen since they're back to inducting seven performers.

Other than that, this list also echoes 2024 in terms of the rock/rock adjacent acts nominated. Bunch of bands (Bad Company, Soundgarden, Black Crowes, Oasis, the White Stripes). Only one out of place is Mana. In fact, it's a lot more focused on rock even if some folks think "hmm too safe" with some nods (Black Crowes, Bad Company).

We'll see how things develop but this will be one interesting thing to see how the results panned out. I'm excited. But I definitely won't be shocked if Mariah and Cyndi both get in, just to continue what they were doing since 2021 and there were multiple female nominees too.

2021: Outside the Go-Go's, Carole King and Tina Turner were inducted but they also nominated Dionne Warwick (2024 Musical Excellence inductee) and Mary J. Blige (2024 inductee) and both got canceled out that year (likely because R&B votes tend to go one way or another).

2022: Three women - Pat, Dolly and Carly - got in. Dionne got blocked again as did Kate Bush (2023 inductee).

2023: Three women - Kate, Sheryl Crow and Missy Elliott - got in. And Cyndi was unable to get through Kate and Sheryl so her chances are definitely much stronger this year and I believe she's the shoo-in.

2024: Cher and MJB were the only women inducted, Mariah got kicked out along with Sinead O'Connor.

Why I'm still kinda bullish about Mariah is due to the fact that R&B female acts have had a harder time getting in than their counterparts.

Like the list of R&B (or R&B-adjacent) solo female artists inducted is pretty shockingly short:
1987: Aretha Franklin
1991: LaVern Baker
1993: Ruth Brown and Etta James
2011: Darlene Love
2013: Donna Summer
2018: Nina Simone
2019: Janet Jackson
2020: Whitney Houston
2024: Mary J. Blige

Add groups, that round out to 13:
1988: The Supremes
1995: Martha and the Vandellas
1996: The Shirelles

Again, very short.

Just ten solo female artists whose music was connected to R&B or rhythm and blues and adjacent genres (soul, disco, contemporary R&B) have gotten in. Mariah would be just the eleventh.

Other R&B women have gotten in through other venues over the years:
Dinah Washington (got inducted in 1993 as an early influence despite the fact that she actually became a major star during the early rock era even though she preceded it)
Chaka Khan (inducted in the Musical Excellence category in 2023 after multiple nominations both solo and with Rufus)
Big Mama Thornton (the pioneer of early rock due to Hound Dog mainly finally got in through the Early Influence category where she should've been all along)
Dionne Warwick (got in through the Musical Excellence door in 2024)

Put it together, that's 17 female artists associated with rhythm and blues that have gotten in. You could argue about Janis Joplin and Dusty Springfield being R&B adjacent acts or blue eyed soul but I put Janis in the rock/blues rock category and Dusty in pop (especially with I Only Wanna Be With You and You Don't Have to Say You Love Me).

Anyway I'm rambling LOL but you get what I mean.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:31am

Timothy Pernell

disney actually loves jdno

Sell jd tshirt before

But think jdno will fell short

Posted by abc on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:38am

why joe cocker but not zevon

Why change the pick

If zevon actually performed not good?

Posted by Abc on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:41am

Richie,

Not necessarily. Boomers go online too and they won't have a hard time to pick a vote. It's not like they're feeble at this point. Most who would vote and are considered boomers were preteens or teenagers when Chubby was ruling the pop airwaves back in the '60s.

I'm actually happy he got a nomination (like I was with Dionne) because it shows that there is still some push for '60s acts. The '50s are the decade that is TOTALLY done (and rightfully so; if any '50s act gets in that was nominated before - like the Chantels for instance, they'd get in as Early Influence, which is exactly what happened with Big Mama).

Let's break down the decade of each act:
Chubby Checker is the oldest obviously (60s)
This is followed by another 60s rocker (Joe Cocker debuted in 1968)

Then there's the 70s acts:
Bad Company
Joy Division+New Order

The rest are mostly 80s and 90s:
Billy Joel (80s)
Cyndi Lauper (80s)
Mana (80s)
Mariah Carey (90s)
OutKast (90s)
Phish (90s)
Black Crowes (90s)
Soundgarden (90s)
Oasis (90s)
White Stripes (90s)

TWS are still the new kids on the block (1999) in this class.

I can't see it being a mostly 90s class obviously lol least two, three '90s acts have a clear shot here. And the White Stripes would be more familiar to those who first listened to rock in the 2000s.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 07:45am

What kind of ballot is this….

This feels so dry and unexciting…
While I mostly agree with the Hall that Rock and Roll is more about spirit and influence than a very specific style of music, I still feel like these nominations are not hard hitting enough. None of it screams rock and I'm probably one of the few fans of the hall that would encourage country, pop and rap artists being inducted.

Also where are the women???

Lauryn Hill being looked over again in favor of OutKast, who only reached real mainstream success after touring with her as an opening act and replicating her sound is… something.

Mariah but no Diana Ross…

No Luther Vandross after that doc, and Kendrick and SZA sampling him on their song named after him that's about to go number one…

Their strange omission of Coldplay…

No Warren…

There's no way in hell Iron Maiden shouldn't be in

Alanis can't even get nominated but somehow Sheryl easily got in…

I'm just very confused but happy to see Chubby and The White Stripes

Posted by Naz P on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:15am

Richie

Just feel Chubby Checker fits the Spinners/Kool spot

He is shoe in

What do you think

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:22am

omar,

but honestly, I feel that Spinners/Kool & The Gang spot should have went to either Luther Vandross, War, Barry White or The Pointer Sisters because they're all more likely to get in as Performers at this point than Chubby, so I see Chubby getting in via Musical Influence, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:27am

Richie

Chubby also has a ton of hits

Also, people who voted for Kool and Spinners also must have heared of Chubby

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:29am

omar,

but I just have a really hard time seeing Chubby get in as a Performer if Dionne Warwick had to get in via Musical Excellence last year, so I see Chubby doing the same and he'll get in via Musical Influence, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:33am

Unlike Foreigner Bad Company has another "Classic Rock" band to compete with the Black Crowes and I guess 2 if you wanna count Phish so there rise isnt as easy saying

I know Journey was on the ballot with Yes and they both got in and Chicago in 2016 and was on the ballot with Yes too

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:35am

i start to think j geils band will get another chance in the future and inducted as performer...

No..

Posted by Abc on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:38am

Will M

If they somehow don't get in I suppose they will try to line them up together like with Rufus and Chaka Khan and then if that fails they will return to just Bad Compamy again

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:40am

Alec t

I think bad company is shoe-in

Black crowes and phish have no hits, they are album oriented acts. Bad company has

Also remember that connection is most important. Paul Rodgers will grab almost all old rock votes and many UK votes, he is so beloved and everyone wants him in.

Posted by Abc on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:41am

I hope you enjoyed how diverse that 2023 class is because it's gonna be awhile before we get another one like that going by this set of nominees

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:41am

Prediction:

Bad Company
Mariah Carey
Cyndi Lauper
Oasis
Outkast
Billy Idol
Chubby Checker
Soundgarden
(Joe Cocker if 9)

Musical excellence: Iron Maiden, New York Dolls, Kris, Kristofferson

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:44am

Mariah carey tanked in fan vote again

Only better than latin band?

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 08:50am

I wonder if Bad Company would end up reuniting for the induction ceremony?

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:00am

So who is the headliner of this class?

Except for Mariah, no nominee is that "big deal"

Posted by Abc on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:03am

Omar,

Chubby will get performer. I don't really see him missing. He caters to both R&B and Rock fans, along with older voters. If he has to get in through ME, the Hall needs to reconstruct itself by next year. I see about eight acts who I think are shoe-ins, so I think ME will be reserved for one act from this lineup along with along (But Chubby should be one of the seven) with three additional acts and considering the lack of women, black artists, metal and hip hop this year compared to other years, I think those acts will be Iron Maiden (metal and overdue) , Lauryn Hill or Diana Ross (black women who've both had massive influence on R&b, hip hop and pop but somehow are often overlooked for noms), and maybe Warren.

Performer:
Chubby Checker
OutKast
Billy Joel
Mariah Carey
Soungarden
Cyndi Lauper
The White Stripes

ME:
Joy Division+New Order
Iron Maiden
Diana Ross or Lauryn Hill
Warren Zevon

Phish will probably get in on their next nomination

Posted by Naz P on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:03am

Naz P

I think Oasis has better chance than white Stripes...

Also, I feel they do not nominated even on metal act because they will put Maiden in regardless of what, so assume they already planned to put Maiden in ME (and I safely assume now Maiden may eventually finished last in 2023 ballot as four from 2023 returns, but no maiden)

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:09am

I am afraid that Mariah may miss for another time

Do not know if there are any momentum on her

Posted by Uh on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:11am

I see four locks: Bad Company, Billy Idol, Cyndi Lauper and OutKast.

I see five competing for slots #5-8: Joy Division-New Order, Mariah Carey, Oasis, Soundgarden, White Stripes

I see five hopeless candidacies: Black Crowes, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Mana, Phish

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:12am

I think Chubby gets in via Musical Influence, rather than as a Performer. I just think that the 50's/early 60's era are long done for at this point except in the side categories.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:14am

FRL's Inductees Predictions Game

This year, I have proposed thar we have a proper predictions game for the inductees.

My proposed scoring system:

- List your six performer inductees (one point for each that is correct)
- List your Seventh inductee (one point if your first six were all inducted as Performers, half point if one or more of them were not)
- List your Eighth Performer inductee (one point if your first seven were all inducted as performers, half point if your first six were but not the seventh, quarter point if one or more of your first six were not inducted)
- Wild Card Wager - One point for every name from the ballot that you think gets side-doored, minus one point for every name that does not

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:15am

My prediction game ballot:

My first six:

Bad Company
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Mariah Carey
Oasis
OutKast

My seventh: White Stripes

My eighth: Soundgarden

I won't be doing the Wild Card Wager as I don't feel any of these names will be side-doored.

However, how about a new rule? Side Category Surprise Wager! One point for every side category name you select but minus one for every name that doesn't get in.


My Side Category Surprise Wager(s):

Iron Maiden
New York Dolls

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:19am

Omar,

I see what you're saying but my problem with Oasis getting in is that Liam is considered a very controversial figure and most of their success was in the UK.

I do think that Oasis might appeal more to voters than TWS. However, TWS appeal more to the Mainstream and younger audiences than Oasis. Everyone knows who Jack White is, and considered the lack of women this year it won't hurt that Meg is in for the ride with him. I don't think they'll miss, it benefits the Hall more to induct TWS

The way I see things Oasis and Chubby are both in competition for the final slot. But only Chubby will get ME if Oasis make the cut. But considering the 70s soul voters who got Kool and the Spinners with ease recently, Im leaning towards Chubby.

Posted by Naz P on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:37am

SOUNDGARDEN YYEAHHHHHHHHHHH

Posted by mattdpn on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:38am

It's nice to see Mana here, but there's no way they get in, considering they're practically unknown in the US. And while I like Phish and The Black Crowes....I don't see either of them getting in. If DMB couldn't get in first year, Phish isn't. The "classic rock" lane is already filled by Bad Company and Joe Cocker, and those two acts had to wait a lot longer for a nomination than The Black Crowes did.

OutKast is a lock, for sure. They're the only rap act nominated, plus they're the perfect mix of popularity, influence, and critical acclaim. Everybody else I think has a decent-to-good shot. Billy Idol and Cyndi Lauper will probably be competing (And if they don't both get in, Cyndi will probably edge out Billy for being nominated before). Chubby Checker will probably get in just for the story of having been eligible for the past 40 years, yet never getting a nomination until now. And I had Mariah and The White Stripes as locks during their first years of getting nominated...but they both got snubbed, so I don't trust my judgement on their odds.

Posted by Julia G on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:46am

My ballot for the prediction game:

My first six inductees:

Bad Company
Mariah Carey
Chubby Checker
OutKast
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

My seventh: Oasis

My eighth: Joe Cocker

Wild Card Wager: Joy Division/New Order

Side Category Surprise Wagers: Iron Maiden, Eric B. and Rakim

Posted by Julia G on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:50am

Naz p

Should be noted that Oasis reunion is so huge that even their US tours were sold out in seconds.

So do not think their popularity in US is any problem

Also, should be noted that Kate Bush was inducted immediately after her popularity resurgence, RATM was inducted after their reunion tour and their popularity resurgence due to MAGA. So yes I just think rock hall inducted them just because if not inducting them rock hall would become very ugly wnd and embarrassing.

Same with Oasis, rock hall has the traction to follow the popularity trend. If Oasis is making biggest reunion tour in the work (including quickly sold out arena concerts in US), but is rejected again, rock hall will be very ugly and embarrassed that rock hall can not recognize the changing in popularity. So expect Oasis in final inductee list in 2025.

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:53am

Bad Company: Brian Howe, Steve Price, Robert Hart, Dave "Bucket" Colwell, Rick Wills.
The Black Crowes: Sven Pipien, Audley Freed, Adam MacDougall, Luther Dickinson.
Maná: Ulises Calleros, Iván González.
Joy Division/New Order: Phil Cunningham, Tom Chapman.

Posted by PABLO ALEJANDRO on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:58am

I think that they'll induct Chubby Checker via Musical Influence, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 09:58am

Neat that Chris Cornell and Paul Rodgers could be honored together in the same class

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 10:18am

I've also just realized, if Mariah, Cyndi, White Stripes, and JD/NO all get snubbed...that would mean a 100% male ballot. There's no way the Hall would let that happen after all of the criticism they've gotten (imagine the discourse...)

Posted by Julia G on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 10:33am

Honestly I'm loving Chubby Checker in this class...he's getting in one way or another, come hell or high water. It's actually quite nice that there's some "old guard" representation this year in the Hall's 40th anniversary.

If they had plans to side door him...then why would they let him take up valuable place on the nomination ballot, over more relevant, lucrative and anticipated names though...

I wonder how they'll commemorate the banner year at the ceremony...maybe they'll downsize the number of inductees + side categories to make room for history tributes. Last year was a MASSIVE SLOG to get through.

Posted by ChrisD on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 10:36am

WayneBruce,

Who do you think will be the 2025 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 11:12am

I see the Jimmy Page influence on this ballot

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 11:15am

I am ecstatic. This is quite a collection.

Billy Idol- Very nice.

Mariah Carey- Tolerable.

Cyndi Lauper- Successful, yes, but her work is unimpressive.

The Black Crowes- Nice.

Joe Cocker- Absolutely!

Chubby Checker- Please oh please!

Phish- I do like their work, but they only received further attention after DMB got inducted.

Mana- The obligatory foreign act. I did learn that they were phenomenally succesful. Otherwise, no further opinion.

The White Stripes- Very yes

Bad Company- Absolutely

Oasis- No. Just no.

Outkast- I hope not

Soundgarden- I hope so

Joy Division/New Order- Would be nice

Posted by Cardgage on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 11:32am

As someone who is a Phish fan, I need to tell you that I'll be surprised if they finish all that strong in the fan vote.

Dave Matthews fan base is much more mainstream acceptance focused than Phish fans. Phish fans largely embrace the band's outsider cult status and are dismissive of mainstream success, much as punk fans would be.

There will certainly be some fans voting; but much of the core fan base I believe will not give one damn. Maybe Phish winds up in the top 7, but no way they finish #1

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 11:36am

Excellence could be Devo, The B-52s, or The Big Bopper.

Influence could be Big Maybelle, Sugarhill Gang, or The Glen Miller Orchestra

Non Performer could be Ed Sullivan or Wolfman Jack

Posted by Cardgage on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 11:39am

Prediction game:

Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Oasis
OutKast
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order

Seventh: Mariah Carey
Eighth: The White Stripes

Side Door: Chubby Checker

Posted by jtrichey on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 11:52am

I would be shocked if Bad Company didn't get in

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 11:58am

The reason Mariah is so low is because most of her fans and the general public are out of touch with Rock music and the Rock and Roll hall of fame isn't that popular. The people who are doing the fanvote are knowledgeable about it and mostly rock purists. Which is why hip hop and more pop oriented acts skew lower. Even Cher and George Michael were more Pop Rock which is why they did well.

The actual Rock Hall voting comitte tends to skew towards acts that have garnered a good deal of industry credit and acclaim. Usually Hip-Hop, Rock, Pop, etc. But It's more of a reputation thing.


Like Mary J Blige and A Tribe Called Quest were towards the bottom of the list last year and they still made it in. They're not as popular as Mariah but they had more industry respect than her. If enough Rock Hall voters think Mariah pandered to much to pop trends instead of being innovative she will not get in no matter how many times they nominate her unless she proves them wrong with her next LP or something.

Posted by Ralib on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 11:59am

PREDICTION:

Warren Zevon will be a side door this year. Reason: He's dead. If Jimmy Buffet got sidedoored when a voting induction was easily possible, a cult artist one hit wonder with no performance to give (I LOVE WARREN BTW not trying to insult him) defintely wont especially that all his record industry enemies are still around (David Geffen). warren zevon i am locking in as either AME or AMI

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 12:05pm

Biggest block of voters is still inducted performers. The inductees from the Soul, R&B, and Rap lanes and music press voters affiliated with those genres only really have two possible choices on this ballot this year in any of those lanes, so I assume Mariah and OutKast are shoo-ins this year.

Phish and Mana have zero chance I think, so I see a ten way battle for the other five induction spots.

Lauper and Idol are the two big 80s MTV stars and those sort of nominees have been doing well lately.

Boring 70s dad rock still does well on the ballots so Bad Company probably makes it, and Joe Cocker seems a strong candidate.

That leaves one more spot with 6 acts competing for it. I lean towards Soundgarden getting in on their third try this year.

If they go 8 deep, maybe Oasis makes it in. I think Oasis's biggest obstacle is their history of snide attacks on other performers (who they need to rely on voting for them).

Chubby probably put in via a side category. It's kind of weird he was never nominated at least once before in 40 years of eligibility.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 12:06pm

Couple thoughts on this and then my predictions for the INDUCTEES (side cats come later)

richie, since you are always so good at it, will you go back and compile the lists of predictions and post it here? I'd like to see who got the closest.

This is easily the heaviest rock ballot I've seen since maybe 2017. I'm ecstatic one of my 2 favorite pet projects (Bad Company) finally is getting some love. Chubby Checker, while worthy, is a major headscratcher, but gives me hope somehow my other biggest snub (Monkees) might finally see some daylight.

I'm predicting 8 inductees...this is who I think they will take, not necessarily who I consider the most worthy:

Bad Company
Cyndi Lauper
Joy Division/New Order
Chubby Checker
Joe Cocker
Billy Idol
White Stripes
Outkast

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 12:23pm

I really think Phish is being underrated here - they've played with Springsteen, Jay-Z, and BB King. I think they're well respected by their peers musically and that will go a long way in getting votes. They're not going to be a critical favorite but the Hall has moved away from that in recent years. Even in that realm they've had success at the margins, being included in many Rolling Stone lists, previously performing at the Hall, ect. I think the consensus is that they're acknowledged as talented but not for everybody? That's my impression anyway. I wouldn't count them out.

Posted by Greg on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 12:24pm

This year's crop of nominees is... weird. Apart from Maná (who I don't know at all, a rarity when it comes to the Hall), the ballot is a mix of obvious picks and wild, left-field draws. Just looking at it, I'm guessing we'll get another classic rock-heavy slate of inductees.

My guesses for this year's class:

Bad Company
Mariah Carey
Joe Cocker
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
OutKast
Soundgarden

My picks if I could vote:

Mariah Carey
Chubby Checker
Billy Idol
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
OutKast
The White Stripes

Guessing Devo and the New York Dolls will get backdoored in the side categories. Hopefully there will be one or two more women inducted by that route.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 12:34pm

Talented but not for everyone is a great and fair description of Phish. They are all formally trained musicians with deep knowledge of music theory and composition; and any of the four could easily make a steady living as a studio gun for hire.
But musically and lyrically they are eclectic and goofy. While their business model and touring approach follows closely in the steps of Grateful Dead; musically they are actually closer to Zappa.

They're a cult band, though probably the *biggest* cult band in the country. Cult bands haven't done well in recent years on the ballot, which is why I give them zero chance of winning induction.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 12:42pm

What? No country nominee this time?

Posted by Michael McNeely on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 12:43pm

Ok, I familiarized myself with Oasis work and I must admit I was not expecting them to be a garage rock revival band.

UPDATED

Billy Idol- Very nice.

Mariah Carey- Tolerable.

Cyndi Lauper- Successful, yes, but her work is unimpressive.

The Black Crowes- Nice.

Joe Cocker- Absolutely!

Chubby Checker- Please oh please!

Phish- I do like their work, but they only received further attention after DMB got inducted.

Mana- The obligatory foreign act. I did learn that they were phenomenally succesful. Otherwise, no further opinion.

The White Stripes- Very yes

Bad Company- Absolutely

Oasis- All right

Outkast- I hope not

Soundgarden- I hope so

Joy Division/New Order- Would be nice

EXCELLENCE: Devo, The B-52's, or The Big Bopper
INFLUENCE: The Sugarhill Gang, Big Maybelle, or The Glen Miller Orchestra
NONPERFORMER: Ed Sullivan or Wolfman Jack

Posted by Cardgage on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 12:48pm

OK. I'll play the prediction game.

First 6:
OutKast
Bad Company
Mariah Carey
Soundgarden
Cyndi Lauper
The White Stripes

#7:
Chubby Checker

#8:
Joy Division/New Order

It pains me to not have Joe Cocker in there but I think he's got an uphill battle this year. Not making any picks for the side categories.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 13:04pm

NO, it shouldn't be Bad Company/Free, it should just be Bad Company. Free were a one hit wonder. And I'm heavily rooting for Bad Company.

Posted by Michael McNeely on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 13:07pm

If you're looking for a country music selection; Phish does sometimes throw in their take on old bluegrass tunes.

https://youtu.be/Yy_B7IgaasA?si=oYq2YpKuMDik4p5D

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 13:16pm

Micheal,

How are you a bad company fan but you dismiss free as a 1 hit wonder? Fire and Water is one of the most awesome albums ever and Rodgers/Kirke worked even better with Paul Kossoff and Andy Fraser than with Bad Co.

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 13:27pm

Bad Company Rock Hall bio has this interesting tibit

Drummer Simon Kirke is considered a pioneer of modern rock & roll drumming, with his Ringo-influenced backbeat and powerful groove comparable to that of Keith Moon and John Bonham.

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 13:36pm

I think BC is fine as a standalone and I do argue that the "supergroup" moniker insults their longstanding endurance and popularity. It is the main band for Paul Rodgers and Mick Ralphs. Supergroups only have an album or two; Bad Company is a band in its own right. With JD/NO, it makes sense because the lineup essentially continued after the passing of Ian. Free doesn't rank worthy; indeed, if you put "All RIght Now" in the singles category, that should satisfy any contribution they do make.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 13:36pm

Only TWO solo women, and two women in the background of their own groups. Isn't Meg White effectively retired? One hip hop option, and no classic R&B. It's giving anti-DEI.

By default I am rooting for OutKast, Cyndi and Mariah, and I think they have a clear lane to steamroll their way in. So much, in fact, that I'm convinced the NomCom deliberately isolated their lanes specifically for them as a personal gift.

Posted by ChrisD on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 13:37pm

chrisd,

unfortunately, i was thinking the same thing. it is an overwhelmingly male nomination set. Are you also rooting for chubby checker?

Also interesting like you mentioned, that we had Spinners and Kool & the Gang two years in a row, the lack of a classic rnb group in this years list is defintely suprising

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 13:41pm

Chubby Checker lead the way for Cliff Richard to be nominated soon?

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 13:58pm

It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that no country acts were nominated this year. Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson were inducted because of their icon status similar to Cher. It had nothing to do with opening the door for more country music in the Rock Hall.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 14:38pm

Interesting List. My Comments:
Mariah -- Should have gone in last year, probably a lock. Hard to see a Hall that has Cher, Whitney, Janet but not her
OutKast -- Would have preferred Wu Tang, but still a good choice, and as has been pointed out, the field is cleared for them.
JD/NO - Highly qualified, seems ridiculous that they are not in yet. But I think they are 50/50 due to voters
Oasis -- Groundswell of recognition, so I think they get in. Certainly qualified. Unless the Gallaghers throttle one another on tour.
Phish -- OK choice, probably not their year though.
Cyndi -- Somewhat marginal, really just the one album. But it was right place right time for her, and she is pretty iconic which helps. And she has a Tony which also helps. And she has aged gracefully. I found her videos annoying as hell but that is just me. I think she sails in pretty easily.
Mana -- A case of the Nom Com showing how clever they are. If they wanted an international star Miriam Makeba is a much better choice. They look like the easy miss this year.
Bad Co -- Let me just say I am really glad it wasn't a Free/BC nomination. Free isn't qualified and it opens the door to too many other permutations. King Crimson/Arthur Brown/Nice/ELP/Cozy Powell anyone?

Posted by JC Souljah on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 14:41pm

I wouldn't underestimate Phish's chances. The Rock Hall is riding high after the DMB induction. They want another band whose fanbase will sell out the induction ceremony.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 14:43pm

xwing1212

Kris Kristofferson will get Musical Excellence this cycle like with Buffet

Very similar

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 14:52pm

I'll just say who I voted for on the site:

The White Stripes
Billy Idol
The Black Crowes
Joe Cocker
Soundgarden
Bad Company
Chubby Checker

Posted by Cardgage on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 14:52pm

Xwing1212,

As much as I love Phish, I just don't see it for them this year despite the fan vote. I think that it will be like another DMB situation with them. I think that they'll get in on their second nomination just like DMB though.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 14:53pm

Rest of my comments:
Soundgarden -- No problem with them, probably 60/40 in their favor
Forgot to add that I think Bad Co. is pretty likely
Joe Cocker -- Another Woodstock alum, good choice, might not be room for him and Bad Co, but then I didn't think Frampton belonged and here we are.
Chubby Checker -- Glad he is getting recognition. Link Wray and the Isleys are in with singles and as acts, so definite precedent. He was a major star, and he was really rock & roll. I think he gets in as the seventh choice.
White Stripes -- Decent choice, I think they wait another year
Phish -- If DMB was not a FYN, hard to see how these guys are
Black Crowes -- Surprising choice, if the Hall wants roots types Wilco is a better choice, if they want blues rock Robert Cray might have been a better choice.
Billy Idol -- I would not vote for him, not sure I see any influence or importance there, I always found him pretty derivative. But he is recognizable and would generate publicity, so maybe.
Predictions
Mariah
OutKast
Cyndi
Oasis
Bad Co.
JD/NO
Chubby Checker

I am assuming EB&R get ME, maybe Iron Maiden as well. Love to see Memphis Minnie included but that is a forlorn hope I imagine.
Really annoying that Carole Kaye, Connie Francis and Patti LaBelle are ignored

Posted by JC Souljah on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 14:53pm

Very happy to see Bad Company nominated after all these years. Bad Company wasn't just a Paul Rodgers creation. They had successful hit songs when Howe was the singer. Gold and platinum albums later 1980's and early 1990's. Hope Howe gets inducted with Burrell, Kirke, Ralphs Rodgers. What a band! I wish Lenny Kravitz would have returned. Would have loved to see Peter, Paul & Mary and John Denver to Chubby Checker and Joe Cocker.
7 Inductees No Particular Order.
1. Mariah Carey
2. Bad Company
3. Oasis
4. Cyndi Lauper
5. Soundgarden
6. Billy Idol
7. The White Stripes
That would be an amazing 2025 Induction Class.
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 14:54pm

Alec T,

Good call on Kristofferson

Posted by JC Souljah on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 14:55pm

King,

Bad Company has been nominated before.

Posted by Cardgage on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 15:12pm

Here are my predictions for the class:

Soundgarden (3)
Oasis (2)
Cyndi Lauper (2)
The White Stripes (2)
Mariah Carey
OutKast
Bad Company

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 15:33pm

Plebeian,

Who do you see being a 8th inductee if there are 8 inductees again this year?. Also, This is Mariah Carey's second nomination, Not her first.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 15:37pm

Made a mistake here's my predictions:

Soundgarden (3)
Oasis (2)
Cyndi Lauper (2)
Mariah Carey (2)
The White Stripes (2)
OutKast
Bad Company

Not gonna do side categories as I fear the worst and I prefer to be optimistic

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 15:38pm

Looking at my final predictions I made prior to the announcement, I got 7 of the 14 (I predicted 17)

Mariah Carey
JD/NO
Bad Company
Cyndi Lauper
Outkast
Oasis
White Stripes

How'd everyone else do?

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 16:06pm

I expect Bad Company to get in over them but Black Crowes I know do have industry support

Jimmy Page for one also Slash,Aerosmith,Alice Cooper,Peter Frampton,Richie Samboa have praised them in the phase and Aerosmith on Twitter congratulated them on being nominated

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 16:21pm

Joe Cocker's bio is so brutal lol
"Joe Cocker's true genius lay in his rare ability to take someone else's music"

Posted by GuestG on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 17:00pm

I'm predicting the Preformers class will be
Bad Company
Oasis
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
OutKast
Joy Division/New Order
Billy Idol
Chubby Checker

If the nominees are this populist then expect the performers class will be populist

I got a feeling Mariah Carey will get snubbed again

Still a good amount of people can't stand her

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 17:01pm

Alec T,

I think that Chubby Checker will get in via Musical Influence, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 17:06pm

I hope the lot of you who doubted Bad Company's nomination chances are eating some serious crow right now.

I've heard all the excuses:

- "All Right Now" was bigger than any Bad Company song!
- Free would have have to double-billed with Bad Company!
- Steven Van Zandt said the nom committee wouldn't allow a Bad Company nom even if they were joined with Free!
- Paul Rodgers is going to get Musical Excellence since Bad Company can't get in!

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 17:18pm

Hello everyone.

My "vote" and my reasonings:
Chubby Checker - I can see him also being sided doored (Via Musical Influence), but as many of you has pointed out, there isn't a sure lock R&B act (Maybe Mariah or OutKast could also be shoed in here) and the "Boomer" act isn't all shooed in either (maybe minus Bad Company). But it's all worth noting that he's one of the few to chart a song at number one twice in a different year ("The Twist" - 1960 and 1962) (Rupert Holmes: "Escape" - 1979 and 1980). He's also might have help from people with dance backgrounds, via the Twist and Limbo being big in the 60s.
Oasis - It feels like the time to strike for the Rock Hall. While they are touring again, nail them too. And this appears to be 90s era ballot winner year, and to get some foreign Hall voters and fan vote as well, it would make sense to do Oasis now. Also similar to Kate Bush by getting her in just after Stranger Things.
Soundgarden - Minus Phish, there isn't a strong alternative rock nom this year. And with Nirvana and Pearl Jam in already, it would make sense while the path is easier to get the last of the big three of Grunge in now before the early 2000s alt-sters arrive.
Cyndi Lauper - She's not a true one album wonder, many forget that, "True Colors" and the "Goonies Theme" were all after She's So Unusual, and briefly before Madonna, everyone wanted to be her. Her Tony also helps her here. She's in the Pat Benatar footsteps, which would be a second ballot induction. And also, her charity work would also be good thing to highlight in the very current world we live in. She also however does have to battle Billy Idol for the one 80s spot, but as you'll see, I'm hoping for both.
Billy Idol - Also fighting for the 80s spot, but I will argue that that spot has some times been divided into two as a pop and rock spot. Billy could be that 80s rock spot. And with the meh bottom end of the noms, it could be both at once. Cyndi has momentum, but Idol being in those AI "stop calling yourself rock stars" commercials could also be enough for some young vote, and Idol also has some Boomer help as kinda one of the few to do classic styled rock in the 80s.
Bad Company - I think many can agree they've been ignored, like Foreigner and Peter Frampton were for so long, and everyone's wanted them for years. They likely the shoe in "Boomer" inductee and likely the 70s rock spot as well, but Checker could still count here for "Boomer". Paul Rodgers also deserves a solo induction or Musical Influence for his work with Free, Bad Company, and his brief time with Queen, and Brian May has said nothing bur praises of him and his voice. I do think they are hurt with the post Rodgers era, but they both coexist, like ACDC, so it may not be an issue. They are also battling for the "Boomer" spot with Joe Crocker as well.
Joe Crocker - Looked it up and realized he's been gone for almost 11 years now, but there is a pretty easy bar to pass for induction which he passes. "Did you play at Woodstock? Did you play at Isle of Wight? Did you play Monterey Pop Festival?" If so, they are in, most of them anyway. His connections with the Beatles ("With A Little Help From My Friends") would win him that vote. And he would have some classic rock help, and don't forget he also did "Up Where We Belong" for Officer and A Gentleman. So he might have some 80s voters help.

For the others:
Phish - As noted, there a Dave Matthews. Might win the fan vote, get passed for induction until a second time. I do understand why they were nominated though following Dave Matthews, maybe hoping to create a new spot for "Fan Favorites" or such. Would be battling Soundgarden.
The Black Crowes - Although there have been several one album acts inducted (Carole King, Peter Frampton (If you seem them as that, I don't), they don't seem to have momentum. I would be happy to see them though inducted, but its not this year. They would need a real dud year and they'd have to be Sheryl Crow spot year.
This is where I go against current trends and spots for a bit:
Joy Division/New Order - They have a spot under normal traditions this year, but they seem like a Tribe, Kate Bush or Devo where it might take several ballots before they would have a chance. They deserve it however for their story of surviving post Ian.
Outkast - These days, it seems like they've become a Devo, for "Hey Ya". I have nothing against them and since they are the only rap act, they have the normal spot. And they were a good act, and like Billy Idol, they have a degree of Andre 3000 going with his flute album. They could also maybe fighting for the R&B spot, even if they really weren't that. They should get in next year, but if its this year, also happy for them.
Mariah Carey - I think the fact she isn't in already is a sign of a possible revolt from the voting folks. She doesn't fit the "classic" rock standard, she might be hurt by "All I Want For Christmas Is You" over play (depending on how you see it) and might only fit the R&B spot which is being battled by Checker and OutKast. She deserves to be in, following the Aretha's, King's, Whitney's so on, but I doubt its this year. She could help herself by doing a Dolly and make a rock album right now and promote it hard.
End of going against current trends and spots.
Manà - Nice to see a new country's (Mexico) band nominated. It actually makes me wish there was new "Non American Rock" spot that's picked from the Hall's voters every few years just to say, "Hey, we see you foreign rock bands that have no chance over here." But Manà is far too obscure for most voters.
The White Stripes - I might be also against the trend, but also as they are currently nominated, a one hit wonder/Devo. I know they weren't that, but the Rock Hall is missing the point. If you are going to do this again, redo it as "Jack White and The White Stripes" as Jack has done more not just musically, but for the industry. He took control early in the career, founded Third Man, was part of many reasons for the return on vinyl and the album as art form in general. And also as it sits, they would be battling fellow "roots rockers" The Black Crowes.

Yeah, I know that was long, but TLDR, my votes are:
Chubby Checker
Soundgarden
Cyndi Lauper
Billy Idol
Oasis
Bad Company
and Joe Crocker.

Posted by TheCorriynial on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 17:44pm

xwing1212

I'm glad to be wrong though despite how likely they are to get in I not gonna say it's automatic

I guess they finally caved in to Stevie's demands haha

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 17:51pm

Cardgage - you are incorrect - Bad Company has never been nominated before. They have been "considered", which means that they were discussed at a previous nominating meeting; but they have never made it on to a ballot before this year.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 17:53pm

Excuse me. I have a hard time distinguishing the two.

Something else- on Sunday is the SNL anniversary concert. One of the acts is Devo. Perhaps that could help them get in, maybe as an AME.

Posted by Cardgage on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 18:11pm

My vote:
Cyndi Lauper
Oasis
Joy Division/New Order
Mariah Carey
Outkast
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

My prediction:
Bad Company
Billy Idol
Chubby Checker
Cyndi Lauper
Mariah Carey
Outkast
Soundgarden

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 18:12pm

With OutKast nominated I believe Coldplay is the only eligible act that was on VH1's 2010 100 Greatest Artists list

Acts on VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock to be nominated but not inducted

Bad Brains
Motorhead
Soundgarden
Lenny Kravitz
Jane's Addicton
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Steppenwolf
Thin Lizzy

Now
Bad Company
Black Crowes

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 18:13pm

I'm sorry, but seeing articles from white Anglos complaining about how "undiverse" these ballot selection are is actually pissing me off, since with Mana especially, but also Carey, Soundgarden, Checker, etc, this is likely the most diverse Rock Hall ballot ever

Apparently "artist of color" and "diverse" means only as many Anglo artists of different shades as you can fit in, not actual international diversity like Mana. Also Soundgarden is somehow "white"

https://www.startribune.com/mariah-carey-cyndi-lauper-outkast-oasis-chubby-checker-joe-cocker-billy-idol-phish-white-stripes/601221138

Posted by GuestG on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 18:16pm

Just discovered this is the first time for both Bad Company and Joe Cocker. Much like Chubby Checker it's about damn time.

Posted by Cardgage on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 18:23pm

So here it goes yet again with the predictions.

Performers:
Joe Cocker
Bad Company
OutKast
Joy Division/New Order
Billy Idol
Mariah Carey
Soundgarden

If 8:
Cyndi Lauper

Other Categories

Musical Influence:
Fela Kuti
Kris Kristofferson
Memphis Minnie

Musical Excellence:
Chubby Checker
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls

Non-Performer:
Estelle Axton

Posted by dmg on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 18:55pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 19:50pm

Last year Foreigner got nominated and inducted and Ian McDonald was one of the members inducted.
This year Boz Burrell is nominated and will likely get inducted with the rest of Bad Company (don't be surprised if every single nominee gets inducted like last year).

When will King Crimson get in? Never? They, Jethro Tull, and ELP should all be in over Mariah Carey. Pop, rap, and country artists should never have been allowed in the H.O.F.

Posted by Joe Dohn on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 19:53pm

GuestG,

That bothered me too. No one said anything about the "lack of diversity" in the 2020 ballot, which was downright similar. Like what's the point? Are this year's inductees not worth it because of the color of their skin? We can acknowledge the need to induct more women inductees and inductees of color without making it a civil rights issue every year. It's more fascinating who gets in than the ones who don't. If anything, just a random few inductees don't pass the test anyway (Percy Sledge anyone? Cat Stevens?) but most who are inducted earned it one way or another! Both sides (the "rock music purists" and "we need more diverse picks") need to cool it.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 20:06pm

I think another way you can honor Free is honor Paul Kossoff through the Musical Excellence route

He is I believe top 50 on Rolling Stone's 100 greatest guitarists list and he is up there with the likes of Gary Moore,Mick Ronson and Roy Gallagher

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 20:15pm

He's basically the British equivalent of Randy Rhodes

Very skilled guitarist who passed way too soon in a plane

Posted by Alec T on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 20:20pm

timothy,

I think one reason for this is: With soundgarden Chris was the public face of the band as lead singer so its perceived as a "white" band. Same reason Blondie or Pretenders is classifed as female even tho each just has woman lead singer. Its lead singer politics.

Also: this is many english speaking peoples (myself included) first time ever hearing of mana. So its not perceived as anything else if at all, theyre just a non factor.

Finally: theres probably lots of people who dont care about rap and pop who are ignoring them

The real thing is absence of discussing Chubby Checker? genuinely why the bemoaning excludes him idk, i think im at fault of that too

Posted by Will M on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 20:50pm

Congratulations to the nominees now back and first time nominees. I will predict 5 only cause is only 2 women nominated and no more rappers was not nominated but Duo Outkast is.
1. Mariah Carey( YAYY she is back nominated again. She will be on the ballot. Dont let her down)
2. The Black Crowes.
3, Outkast.
4. Cyndi Lamar
and 5.Billy Idol

Posted by Amie Hampton on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 20:53pm

Timothy Pernell,

Should say, really nice writeup above about Cyndi and Mariah, unfortunately couldn't reply at the time. I think what might make it work is they are different genres and different niches, even different eras, while being the only two solely female acts (As White Stripes and New Order are bands with other members). Doesn't mean they will, but there's a chance they can both make it.

And yeah, that criticism of this nomination list bothered me because I've been pushing for the Hall to get diverse in a way they haven't been, which is nominate and induct non-Anglo artists who aren't English language focused. Something to show how international music has gotten since the 50s revolution. Mana being nominated is a big step for that (even if I think they'll need an international category soon to make good on the promise and get them inducted), and I think this is a very diverse grouping this year with Mana and all the different genres and cultures being nominated so I'm pleased. So to see it being ignored and whittled down into some un-diverse, "anti-woke" white class quote on quote is insanely disrespectful for the artists. Especially for Soundgarden who was known in the Seattle grunge scene as the diverse band but being called a white band because some members were. Some would ironically not want actual diversity but only the Anglo version where they are still all English-language artists from the US or UK, they applauded that more.

Posted by GuestG on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 21:26pm

New nom set feels like a good time to update this..

Every rock hall class ranked:

86: Chuck Berry, little Richard, buddy holly, Robert Johnson
87: Eddie Cochran,
88: Beatles Bob Dylan Beach boys
89 rolling stones, Stevie wonder, Otis Redding,
90 the who simon and Garfunkel the kinks
91 the Byrds, Wilson Pickett,
92 Jimi Hendrix, Sam & Dave, the yardbirds Booker t and the mgs,
93 CCR Van Morrison Cream the Doors Sly and the family stone
94 the band, the grateful dead, John Lennon, rod Stewart elton john Bob Marley,
95 led zeppelin Neil young allman brothers al green, janis Joplin
96 pink Floyd velvet underground David Bowie Jefferson airplane
97 CSN Joni Mitchell Buffalo Springfield young Rascals Jackson 5,
98 eagles Santana Fleetwood Mac
99 Billy Joel Bruce Springsteen Paul McCartney George Martin
00 James Taylor Eric Clapton Earth Wind and Fire the Lovin Spoonful
01 Steely Dan Queen Paul Simon Aerosmith Micheal Jackson Ritchie valens
02 Tom Petty Talking Heads Ramones
03 Elvis Costello and attractions the clash the police AC/DC
04 George Harrison Bob seger jackson Browne Prince ZZ Top traffic
05 pretenders U2
06 blondie Lynyrd Skynyrd black sabbath sex pistols
07 Patti smith Van Halen rem ronettes grandmaster flash and the furious five, (COMPLETE)
08 John Mellancamp Leonard cohen Madonna
09 Jeff Beck Metallica run DMC
10 genesis the Stooges Abba
11 tom waits Alice cooper,
12 (Small) faces, GNR, Beastie boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Donovan
13 Rush Heart Public Enemy Donna Summer
14 e street band, Nirvana Kiss Hall n Oates Linda Ronstadt Peter Gabriel cat Stevens Brian Epstein,
15 Green Day Joan Jett and the blackhearts Lou Reed Bill Withers Ringo Starr Stevie Ray Vaughn,
16 cheap trick deep purple Steve miller BAND Chicago NWA Bert berns/ COMPLETE YEAR
17 Pearl Jam yes ELO Journey
18 the cars the moody blues dire straits bon Jovi
19 the Cure Janet Jackson the Zombies Stevie nicks Def Leppard Roxy music Radiohead/COMPLETE
20 T Rex Doobie Brothers Depeche Mode NIN Biggie
21 Carole king Tina Turner Go Gos Foo Fighters Randy rhoads,
22 Judas Priest Pat Benatar Duran Duran Carly Simon
23 the Spinners Kate bush Rage Sheryl Crowe Missy Elliot
24 Jimmy Buffett MC5 peter Frampton Foreigner Ozzy Osborne Tribe called quest,

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 22:25pm

I just learned this is The Black Crowes first time. For them it is also about time.

Posted by Cardgage on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 23:34pm

seems like Chubby Checker will be inducted under Music Excellence.

Posted by chuvaness on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 23:35pm

Mana is nominated but not Bjork/The Sugarcubes?

I really want The Carpenters to be inducted as Musical Excellence as there are many pop artists/bands that were inducted and we can't deny the fact that The Carpenters really made an impact in the 70s though not rock but still it made a landmark in the music industry.

Posted by chuvaness on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 23:40pm

If it's possible to pair bands I'd love to see King Crimson and Emerson, Lake, and Palmer get in together someday.

Posted by Cardgage on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 00:18am

Cardgage

Bad Company has the edge but Black Crowes have the industry support

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 01:14am

if we will have 7 or 8 inductees

There always easy to have ties in #7-#9

Maybe we can have 9 peeformer inductees at most?

Posted by omar on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 01:21am

A good idea on who could induct who

Bad Company-Sammy Hagar

Joe Cocker-Ringo Starr

Phish-Dave Matthews or John Mayer

Black Crowes-Jimmy Page

OutKast-Ludacris

Joy Division/New Order-Billy Corgan

Chubby Checker-Bruce Springsteen

Soundgarden-Eddie Vedder

Cyndi Lauper-Chappell Roan

IDK about the others

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 02:31am

3 Classic Rock acts and 2 acts with Diamond albums.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 02:59am

Mariah really tanks, she performed way worse than last year in fan vote.

Will she be missing this year for the second time despite her huge popularity

Posted by bruce wayne on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 06:38am

@bruce wayne: since when does the fan vote matter, especially when MJB and Tribe occupied the bottom two positions last year and were inducted anyway.

@will m on Wednesday, 02/12/2025 @ 13:41pm: YES for Chubby Checker! And I think he's the closest to the Dolly/Willie/Cher silent gen icon for boomers. And I think he has enough belovedness for them to overlook his...deficits in musicianship. I like the intergenerational representation, especially for this banner year. He was at the first induction ceremony and participated in the jam session...whereas all the inductees from the first class are gone. He's a nice way of threading the Hall's history to the present.

I guess they feel like they've run out of viable classic R&B groups as opposed to the backlog of classic dad rock with Boston, Styx, REO waiting in line. I mean there aren't many 70's R&B groups left with a remote Hall-worthy stature...I mean the Delfonics? The Trammps? Ohio Players? War? TRULY the bottom of the barrel and I think most of those people are dead and forgotten anyway. Maybe they'll restart at the 80's with Luther.

Posted by ChrisD on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 08:18am

ChrisD

Yes, fan votes do not have a impact on final result in math. (Last year Mariah finished way better than Mary in fan vote but finally Mary was inducted and Mariah was not)

However, this is not necessarily a good thing. In the eyes of public, Mariah's nomination seems less compelling this year compared to last year. She finished at No. 8 last year but dropped to No. 13 (near bottom) this year.

Fans perceive it this way, and it is likely that many actual voters do as well, as they also pay attention to fan votes and monitor social media to get whether an artist has momentum. This assumption is easy to make.

At the moment, Mariah does not seem to have strong momentum.

It all depends on how people in the music industry see it and whether their views align with those of the fans. However, among regular fans, Mariah Carey's situation seems worse than last year.

But I could definitely see a case where industry voters also feel bored with Mariah and fewer of them vote for her, just like in the fan voting. Not definitely will happen, but it is a possible scenario.

Posted by bruce wayne on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 08:28am

omar,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 9 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 09:08am

richie

Bad Company
Cyndi Lauper
Billy Idol
Chubby Checker
Outkast
Oasis
Mariah Carey
Soundgarden

I will stick with eight. If 9, go with Joe Cocker

Musical Excellence: Kris, Kristofferson, Iron Maiden, New York Dolls.

Maiden perform, Kris tribute performance, New York Dolls just play videos.

Posted by omar on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 09:19am

black crowes are just poor man's version of Lenny in resume.

Less hits
Similar album sales
Less connection
Less historical influence (Lenny influenced neo-soul and alternative rnb scenes. See Frank Ocean, Miguel...)


But they still could make upset because this year's ballot is way more open. Everyone even Mana may have chance.

Posted by omar on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 09:22am

black crowes are just poor man's version of Lenny in resume.

Less hits
Similar album sales
Less connection
Less historical influence (Lenny influenced neo-soul and alternative rnb scenes. See Frank Ocean, Miguel...)


But they still could make upset because this year's ballot is way more open. Everyone even Mana may have chance.

Posted by omar on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 09:22am

An important thing about Joe Cocker is that he has Beatles support

And the Rock Hall has a thing for The Beatles

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 09:42am

guest,

Who do you think will be the 2025 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 10:02am

Another minor reason why Bad Company got a standalone nomination is that they had success in the early 90s without Paul Rodgers when they had someone Brian Howe as their singer

In 1990 "If You Needed Someone" was a near top 15 hit

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 10:13am

Free's only contribution to BC is 2 members. No different than Mother Love Bone becoming Pearl Jam, or GnR becoming Velvet Revolver. They had one good album with a noteworthy song.

Bad Company has been a mainstay since 1974, and has many memorable albums with a huge catalog still played in rotations to this day. The 80s run when Paul left should absolutely be considered part of their legacy. Those albums still have a big following and made BC just as big for the 80s-early 90s crowd as the 70s when they came out. They are one of the most enduring bands. They evolved like Aerosmith and others. Lumping them in with Free is 2 completely separate acts. Like I've said, Joy Division/New Order makes sense because of one major death and the band continued. They've got to quit thinking "supergroup" and just put BC in on their own rich deserving merit.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 10:43am

Richie and "his source" strike again.

Just 5–6 days ago, Richie swore he wouldn't talk to "his source" anymore. But only a few days later, here he is again, begging his "buddy" for the "truth"—even though his so-called friend treats him like an idiot.

Posted by wayne on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 11:23am

THE 2025 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

Chubby Checker
Joe Cocker
Bad Company
Joy Division/New Order
Manà
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper

WHEN VOTING FOR MOST RECENT ACTS

The White Stripes
Outkast
Oasis
Mariah Carey
The Black Crowes
Soundgarden
Phish

WHEN VOTING ROCKIST

Bad Company
Billy Idol
Phish
Soundgarden
The Black Crowes
Oasis
The White Stripes

WHEN VOTING FOR BANDS ONLY

Bad Company
Joy Division/New Order
Manà
Phish
Soundgarden
The Black Crowes
Oasis

WHEN VOTING FOR SOLO ARTISTS AND DUOS ONLY

Chubby Checker
Joe Cocker
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Mariah Carey
Outkast
The White Stripes

WHEN VOTING FOR WOMEN AND MINORITIES ONLY

Chubby Checker
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
Mariah Carey
Soundgarden
Outkast
The White Stripes

WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR TICKET SALES AND TELEVISION RATINGS

Chubby Checker
Joe Cocker
Manà
Cyndi Lauper
Mariah Carey
Outkast
The White Stripes

BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR TICKET SALES AND TELEVISION RATINGS (MY BALLOT)

Chubby Checker
Joe Cocker
Bad Company
Joy Division/New Order
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 11:25am

alec t, k dawg

But bad company was only nominate for paul Rodgers era, only 4 guys are nominated members
Brian Howe is not nominated
Bad company is mainly the state for paul Rodgers

Posted by omar on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 11:32am

Phish will be eventually inducted

What a turnaround

No one thought they would be in before this nomination

Now they are lock to be eventually in as all fan vote winners are all in

Posted by power on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 12:10pm

RIP Tommy Hunt of the Flamingos

Posted by will m on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 12:21pm

It will be embarrassing if Soundgarden is denied again

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 12:51pm

Alec T,

That's why I feel really good about Soundgarden's chances this year, because they have the most nominations out of anyone on this year's ballot with three, and Kate Bush, The Spinners and RATM all got in as the most nominated acts in 2023 and ATCQ got in as the most nominated act last year in 2024, so I feel really good about Soundgarden this year, I just can't see them missing out on induction for a third time. so i feel really good about them this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 12:56pm

Here's my attempt to rank these nominees on various criteria.

Innovation (overall, I don't think this is a deeply innovative class beyond JD/NO):
Joy Division/New Order
OutKast
Phish
Mariah Carey
Soundgarden
Cyndi Lauper
Billy Idol
Maná
The White Stripes
Joe Cocker
Oasis
Chubby Checker
Bad Company
The Black Crowes

Influence:
Mariah Carey
Joy Division/New Order
Phish
OutKast
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
Maná
Bad Company
Chubby Checker
Oasis
The White Stripes
Joe Cocker
Billy Idol
The Black Crowes

Commercial Impact:
Mariah Carey
Oasis
Maná
Soundgarden
OutKast
Bad Company
Cyndi Lauper
Billy Idol
The Black Crowes
Chubby Checker
The White Stripes
Joe Cocker
Joy Division/New Order
Phish

Musical Excellence (hardest to quantify!):
Soundgarden
Phish
Mariah Carey
Oasis
Cyndi Lauper
OutKast
Joe Cocker
Billy Idol
Joy Division/New Order
The White Stripes
Maná
Bad Company
The Black Crowes
Chubby Checker

My listening preference:
Phish
Joy Division/New Order
The White Stripes
Soundgarden
Billy Idol
The Black Crowes
Cyndi Lauper
OutKast
Joe Cocker
Bad Company
Oasis
Maná
Mariah Carey
Chubby Checker

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 14:00pm

Omar,

I think they may do the same thing they did with foreigner and add more members as time goes on. I am of the opinion Brian Howe legitimately should be honored

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 14:11pm

PERFORMERS
The White Stripes
Billy Idol
The Black Crowes
Joe Cocker
Soundgarden
Bad Company
Joy Division/New Order


EXCELLENCE
Chubby Checker

INFLUENCE
Big Maybelle

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Cardgage on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 14:52pm

[Early Performer Inductee Predictions]

Billy Idol
Soundgarden
Cyndi Lauper
Mariah Carey
Outkast
Joy Division + New Order
The White Stripes

Posted by Ralib on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 15:21pm

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2025 next year for 2026?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 15:59pm

Will there be like for Foreigner a celebrity filled video promoting Bad Company's candidacy?

I can see Sammy Hagar,Slash,Richie Sambona and a few others in it

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 16:13pm

The 3 acts not in the Hall that have 2 or more albums on the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame's 2007 "200 Definitive Albums" list are

OutKast

The Chicks (Formerly the Dixie Chicks)

Antia Baker

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 17:10pm

The White Stripes- Ray Davies
Billy Idol- Iggy Pop
The Black Crowes- Greg Allman
Joe Cocker- Daryl Hall
Soundgarden- Eddie Vedder
Bad Company- Jimmie Vaughan
Joy Division/New Order- Thom Yorke
Chubby Checker- Elvis Costello
Big Maybelle- Joan Jett

Posted by Cardgage on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 17:46pm

INDUCTORS
The White Stripes- Ray Davies
Billy Idol- Iggy Pop
The Black Crowes-Donnie Van Zant
Joe Cocker- Daryl Hall
Soundgarden- Eddie Vedder
Bad Company- Jimmie Vaughan
Joy Division/New Order- Thom Yorke
Chubby Checker- Elvis Costello
Big Maybelle- Joan Jett

Posted by Cardgage on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 18:08pm

My objective thoughts on this year's nominees.

Bad Company: Yep, I kinda see this one coming, although that doesn't change what I'm about to say on their 1st nod. They have what I like to called "A Bon Jovi syndrome" Honor based on ticket & album sales rather than true impact being caused in rock & roll history. Paul Rodgers would be better off as a side category honoree.

The Black Crowes: I'm torn on this one since I actually dig their music, yet their case is on the same level as previous inductees DMB, Peter Frampton, Sheryl Crow among others (Heck I actually do think they took Lenny Kravitz's spot.) Their nomination would be the closest to getting recognition from the RRHOF.

Mariah Carey: Ngl, the committee decided to give another shot for Carey all given the snubbed scenario last year. I can bet she'll sing her signature Christmas tune come fall when finally getting a call.

Chubby Checker: In all honestly, Checker would very likely to be put through the non voting method than actually voted in at all. He's from the same decade as The Beatles, Bob Dylan, James Brown, Aretha Franklin etc yet they got honored in the 80's so quickly during the first three years of ceremonies while he didn't get a nomination until this year. I don't mind seeing him inducted, although it could be easily done without being on a ballot.

Joe Cocker: JC performed at Woodstock while being recognized among the most acclaimed singers in his time, yet he's more well known for covering songs by other artists who are in the RRHOF or not. He isn't what I called a true Hall of Famer. With said, very possible that his honor would be under Musical Excellence.

Billy Idol: I actually predicted on Idol being on the ballot this year & I'm exactly correct. It's a say that being involved in past ceremonies would be a guarantee for an upcoming honor as it happened with aforementioned artists DMB, Frampton & Crow. I expect the 80's MTV performer to walk on when spring comes.

Joy Division/New Order: The stalwarts of post - punk & new wave are actually my favorites so far this year. What they do to change rock & roll history pretty much likens to those including The Velvet Underground, David Bowie & Kraftwerk. It's a 50/50 chance for their inclusion despite having said they're my favorites.

Cyndi Lauper: She'll probably go through what Pat Benatar did few years back. I'm not too big on Lauper, then again put more women in the Hall.

Mana: Very well done when the committee thinks outside of the box when discussing certain artists not from US or UK. They actually did great with this pick & from Mexico which is a bonus. Unfortunately, the voters (which consists mostly past living honorees) are a different story as it was the situation with Fela Kuti. This might be their only nomination.

Oasis: By this point, their reunion comeback will put this band from Manchester in the lock pedestal. It would happen regardless & it would be an interesting show if they actually show up.

OutKast: They might be an only lock since they're an only hip hop act on the list. We all know the Hall couldn't go another year without that.

Phish: DMB got their due last year, so maybe it opened the door for their contemporaries Phish. More groundbreaking & innovative per say, however they might be second fan vote topper not getting inducted.

Soundgarden: Three nominations worked for almost everyone in the past & it might exactly be Soundgarden's time to shine. They're also a closet act to Heavy Metal to finally being voted in.

The White Stripes: The duo's second try won't work this time around especially when pairing up with other two that have a high chance.

Posted by JE on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 18:26pm

Possible presenters for whoever gets inducted this year.

Brian May - Bad Company

Jimmy Page - The Black Crowes

Ariana Grande - Mariah Carey

N/A - Chubby Checker

Billy Joel - Joe Cocker

Miley Cyrus - Billy Idol

Danny Brown - Joy Division/New Order

Stephanie McMahon - Cyndi Lauper

Joe Walsh - Mana

Chris Martin - Oasis

Kendrick Lamar - OutKast

John Mayer - Phish

Eddie Vedder - Soundgarden

Beck - The White Stripes

Posted by JE on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 18:39pm

PERFORMERS AND PRESENTERS
The White Stripes- Ray Davies
Billy Idol- Iggy Pop
The Black Crowes-Donnie Van Zant
Oasis- Billie Joe Armstrong
Soundgarden- Eddie Vedder
Bad Company- Jimmie Vaughan
Joy Division/New Order- Thom Yorke
EXCELLENCE
Joe Cocker- Daryl Hall
Chubby Checker- Elvis Costello
INFLUENCE
Big Maybelle- Joan Jett
The Sugarhill Gang- DJ Run
NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Cardgage on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 19:28pm

I can understand the people upset about Free - This is pretty much locking Free out of the hall for good since they probably aren't going to have the resume for a solo induction nor induct two of them twice. This also locks out Paul Kossoff who some industry members praise as a guitarist.

At the same time you can't really merge Free and Bad Company as a singular unit - They are definite different bands with non-direct continuation. Small Faces morphed into Faces and Joy Division morphed into New Order as continuations of the prior band with almost the same exact lineup, but Free didn't morph into Bad Company. Free broke up and there was a slight delay before Bad Company was made with Rodgers inviting Kirke soon after and the other former members made different bands. Arguably even Generation X might have a better case inducted with Billy Idol than Free with Bad Company as there's a more direct lineage.

Posted by GuestG on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 19:43pm

While this year's ballot has far less offering in terms of genre and diversity, it's still a pretty fascinating case study and a lot can be looked at from recent trends. It is largely rock oriented, although one can argue that the non-specific rock acts are the most glaring omissions on the ballot (Mariah, Outkast). One that stood out to me when I heard the noms was the Black Crowes.

This is a curious choice. The Crowes are a throwback band that many could see being a 70s classic rock act, but they've only really been around since 1988. They are a 90s band, but didn't follow grunge, metal and the nu metal evolutions that changed the sound of guitar rock. They are a southern rock band, definitely easy on the ears of the boomers and contemporary rock fans alike. They just don't stand out to me as any special case in terms of setting a path forward. There aren't really any groups that come to mind that they influenced; rather, not specifically, but if anything they were an extension of the rock sounds of the previous decades. They did not do anything different. They are critical darlings, friends of established stars (Jimmy Page loves them), and like several other recent nominees, have made an enduring career of jam sessions and live performances. If it's a popularity contest and you're trying to swoon the aging rockist crowd, the Crowes take the direction they wish rock had gone--staying with the same sound and not getting either heavier, or more diverse meshing with rap or techno, per se.

That being said, the Robinson brothers and Steve Gorman are well-known names in the industry. I wouldn't put them in, but recent inductions like Peter Frampton the two-hit live wonder have proven that the RRHOF will go their own way.

Curious...does anyone think the Crowes belong in beyond the popular/populist factor? What reasons do they give you?

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 19:50pm

K-Dawg,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 19:58pm

Might need to call it The Crow Effect - Sheryl Crow and now The Black Crowes. They have some industry friends who are getting them nominations earlier in the cycle than expected.

Black Crowes I think has a Hall case on their own, they represent a significant early 90s alternative scene not rooted in the grunge scene. They had success and some solid writing. However, like you said, they gave no influence, if they never existed nothing would change in music. They don't have amazingly critically acclaimed music. And they had sales including some #1albums to back their case but were never the big band of the era. So they have a definite claim to a hall spot eventually, but more a distant one once they get through some backlog

The issue is I think they are being put up too early. Black Crowes is a band who should be put up for consideration in 10 years minimum, after Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins, No Doubt, maybe a few others are already in who have far stronger Hall cases. They are jumping in line for nomination before them and might make it in before all of them if connections hold.

Crow Effect strikes again.

Posted by GuestG on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 20:16pm

Also, good to see you, Tim Pernell! Seems it's been awhile.

Looking back at the posts a little more in-depth, when I mention diversity, it's much more hand-in-hand with genre and style. A full 80 percent of this year's ballot is either straight up rock or new wave, grunge, etc. There is no forays into hip hop beyond Outkast (who are long overdue), funk, nu metal (which at this point is starting to be the dominant rock element that bands forming in the 25 year period evolved to by the 2000s), techno. There are many different types of music represented (and props to the Hall for throwing someone like Mana out there), but rock purists can crow about 10 of these acts as "long overdue" and "true rock" types.

Richie, I put my choices out a few days ago. I'll repost then soon, but I'd like to get some discussion in here about the nominated artists and how we feel about their chances and deservedness. There's a ton to unpack with this group

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 20:20pm

Guest G,

So the Counting Crows are next? LOL

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 20:21pm

Ngl this years batch feels a bit uneventful? I dont know how to explain it really. Glad Mariah and Soundgarden are back on the ballot. I was really hoping for a Luther Vandross nod especially after his documentary aired and was received well, and even Patti Labelle and solo Diana especially after Cher's easy win last year but I guess we have to wait until next year for that. Anyways here's my seven since that usually how big they get:

Mariah Carey (second nomination after a surprise and disappointing shut out last year. This year shes inarguably the biggest star, has no real genre competition as shes the only R&B act on the ballot, and is one of just two women. She should not have had to wait this long but at least it will be in time for for 35th career anniversary)

Soundgarden (i dont know all that much about 90s rock but werent these guys really influential and huge? I mean their grunge/alt peers Nirvana and Pearl Jam have been in for nearly 10 years so why the wait for them? Hopefully third times a charm)

Billy Idol (he has a lot of love I see and he'll be a draw im sure. Hopefully Miley comes and gives him his tribute)

OutKast (the only hip/hop and one of the most celebrated and acclaimed in the genre's history. I will be shocked if they are snubbed especially when acts like Eminem were let in first try)

Bad Company (I guess they are the Foreigner of this ballot? A lot of ppl been asking for their time and now that is here, i dont think the Hall is gonna make them wait any longer.)

The White Stripes (dont know much about them but they seem to be one of the newer acts on the list and an induction can lead to Coldplay getting their due after another year of being overlooked)

Oasis (im really confused how they didnt get in last year but it was a stacked ballot looking back. I dont think that will be the issue this year sooo)

I didnt pick some of the others cause I dont think they have strong cases (like Joe Cocker and Cyndi Lauper) but there are some that can sneak in like The Black Crowes or Joy Division- a very popular choice among fans I have seen. And so far Phish is winning the fan vote but I have literally never heard of them until they were nominated so I didnt wanna speak on that. Chubby Checker's random nomination could lead to a Musical Excellence side door.

Posted by ABJ on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 20:23pm

K-Dawg,

LOL yes, they'd fit in the 90s Crow theme I'd feel. I'm expecting them nominated before the Pumpkins at this rate

Posted by GuestG on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 20:26pm

GuestG

They cool side category Paul Kossoff

You can say he is a British equivalent of Randy Rhodes

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 21:12pm

Hey Guys,

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2025 next year for 2026?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 21:15pm

Seems like it's a "Before it's too late" for Bad Company

Paul Rodgers had a series of near life threatening strokes

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 21:17pm

Some miscellaneous Hall thoughts

1. With the lack of Performers nomination this year and the recent cancer diagnosis reveal for David Johansen, New York Dolls is almost 100% locked in for side-category this year while the last one is still living, following MC5. They would have waited on year for a hometown induction but he might not make it then.

2. Dick Dale is a likely side-category induction this year with the ceremony in LA. Do not think Iron Maiden will be side-categoried this year if that admits defeat for the genre with that few nominations, more than Judas Priest. Devo won't be side-categoried until they get a hometown ceremony in Ohio, they might have one final nomination next year for them before doing so.

3. With Linkin Park missing being nominated we have probably seen (until the very far out future if one ever comes up) the last band who could be a first year inductee, with the last one being Foo Fighters. The remaining upcoming eligibles who will likely eventually make it in (Strokes, Arctic Monkeys, Killers, Arcade Fire) don't have enough to make it in first ballot first year, and there's really no bands last decade who have shown it. The upcoming very potential first year inductees (such as Keys, Beyonce, Rihanna, Swift, Lamar) are solo acts

Posted by GuestG on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 21:59pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 22:14pm

ABJ:

Not to nitpick--because this is still not many--but Mariah Carey is one of four women on the ballot, not two. Aside from Cyndi Lauper, the list features Meg White (the White Stripes) and Gillian Gilbert (Joy Division/New Order).

Posted by Joe S. on Thursday, 02/13/2025 @ 22:25pm

You right I forgot about the other two Joe. My bad.

Posted by ABJ on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 09:37am

We are finally stepping into a modern rock era (post 1980)

Except for Bad Company, Mariah Carey, Joe Cocker, Chubby Checker , Outkast

All other are post 1980 acts and rock acts (either retro or alternative or new wave)

This will become a patrern in the future

Because most 60-70s A level rock acts are already in, but many A level rock acts in 80 and 90s are shockingly missing

Posted by Matr on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 10:38am

Matr,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 10:48am

Would have been interesting if they had a Generation X/Billy Idol nomination. I had that a few times in the long, long nomination cycle before posting my final list Billy Idol only. Billy Idol was a perfect selection this year as many of the 1980's greats have been inducted. Bruce, Def Leppard, Duran Duran, Madonna, MJ, Tom Petty, U2, Van Halen, etc. It's outstanding to hear Steve Stevens will be inducted with Billy Idol. Idol fit the 1980's spot on the ballot, MTV Video era, and the punk and rock spot. Billy Idol had several hit songs: Cradle Of Love, Eyes Without A Face, Dancing With Myself, Mony Mony, Rebel Yell, White Wedding, etc. I remember selecting Mony Mony on the jukebox in the 1980's. It's 1 of the better cover songs. Things would look good for INXS in 2026 if Billy Idol does earn induction. INXS would be 1 of the most popular and successful 1980's bands not nominated. Good points about Kris Kristofferson following the Jimmy Buffett recent death path into the HOF. Sometimes, an artist's death gives the music fans and writers a deeper appreciation of a music artist listening and sifting through their discography. The New York Dolls ME or MI also makes sense after the MC5 remaining members passing before induction. They NY Dolls have been nominated a few times without success. Thanks to Roy for delivering his different combinations of Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees in the class. Always 1 of the highlights of the Nomination season. I'm wondering how much longer The Smiths will wait. Depeche Mode & The Cure have already been inducted. Joy Division/New Order also will be inducted before them. Iron Maiden somehow still waiting but could receive 1 of the Special Awards this year. John Denver is surprising to me too having no nominations. He had as much success as some of the 1970's singer/songwriters that were inducted. Denver also was ahead of his time in the environmental issues plus he testified at the PMRC Hearing. An eloquent speech against censorship and ratings. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 11:04am

MatR,

I would disagree slightly that all the 70s acts are in. The 80s jumped over them some years back, so many of the acts that were in that genre are indeed in now. I'd say a smattering remain, but there's still some funk, singer/songwriters, and yes, some rock acts beyond BC that probably will get at least a nom. Kansas, Supertramp, Boston, all have a shot. Jethro Tull, the Guess Who, BTO...I mean, there's a few. And acts like the Carpenters as well. The 70s aren't done yet. And there are significantly more 80s acts in. The 90s will probably be the primary focus until the 2000s become the norm

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 11:29am

k-dawg

I am not saying 70s is done

But yes Kansas, Supertramp, they are already b level on their era.

A level remaining in 70s is definitely less than 80s, let alone 90s.

B52s, Devo, JDNO, Smiths, Maiden, Phil Collins, inxs,
Replacements, janes, pixies, sonic youth, Motorhead...80s remaining pool of a level acts is still ver very deep, definitely deeper than 70s

Posted by Rmat on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 12:15pm

Rmat,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 12:18pm

Prediction of performer inductees:

Bad Company
Oasis
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
OutKast
Mariah Carey
Billy Idol
Chubby Checker
Joe Cocker

(I think 7-8 of them will be inducted but I am not sure not predicting which one)

A Neil Sedaka or Paul Anka musicial influence or future nomination is likely now, after chubby checker is nominated this year

Joe Cocker's chance is extremely underestimated. He will get more votes than Zevon, has more hits, very connected, Zevon has many industry enemies but Cocker not. I feel Cocker is safely in. Plus last year all boomers are inducted with mo exception.

Posted by omar on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 12:26pm

omar,

Something tells me that we'll have 9 Performer inductees this year, rather than 7-8.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 12:31pm

Omar

I have a feeling that Stevie Van Zandt was behind the Chubby Checker nomination

Another one I can this helps is Cliff Richard

I wound be surprised during the time he has left he seem him getting a full Performers nomination

Posted by Alec T on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 13:31pm

Alec T,

I agree that it will help Cliff Richard and the Shadows get a full Performers nomination very soon. Hopefully, he gets it while he is still alive to enjoy it.

richie,

I am hoping for 9 Performer inductees this year too.

Posted by Jennifer on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 14:05pm

richie, here is again my prediction

PERFORMERS AND PRESENTERS
The White Stripes- Ray Davies
Billy Idol- Iggy Pop
The Black Crowes-Donnie Van Zant
Oasis- Billie Joe Armstrong
Soundgarden- Eddie Vedder
Bad Company- Jimmie Vaughan
Joy Division/New Order- Thom Yorke
EXCELLENCE
Joe Cocker- Daryl Hall
Chubby Checker- Elvis Costello
INFLUENCE
Big Maybelle- Joan Jett
The Sugarhill Gang- DJ Run
NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Cardgage on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 15:58pm

A Flamingo is Falamin-gone, as Tommy Hunt has died, leaving Terry "Buzzy" Johnson as the sole living Flamingo. Tommy Hunt lived to be 91, so I doubt he voted in a long time, if at all. (For the record, I actually support taking away voting rights from inductees who haven't voted in a long time. It's a waste of a good ballot.)

2001 is now half-alive and half-dead, joining 1993, 2002, and 2004.

So far Tommy Hunt, Garth Hudson, Sam Moore, Quincy Jones, and Phil Lesh have died since the ceremony.

Living members of classes where a majority or half of the inductees are dead:

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 12/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 5/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, and Fred Cash)
1992: 10/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Chris Jasper, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 10/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 11/25 (Al Green, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 18/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 13/26 (James Burton, Everyone from Aerosmith, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brian May, Roger Taylor from Queen, Donald Fagan, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2012: 26/70 (Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Everyone from Guns 'N' Roses, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members of each class where a majority or half of the inductees are alive:

1993: 14/28 (Ginger Baker, Jack Bruce, Tom Fogerty, Ray Manzarek, Jim Morrison, Etta James, Sherman Garnes, Frankie Lymon, Joe Negroni, Ruth Brown, Cynthia Robinson, Dick Clark, Milt Gabler, and Dinah Washington)
1998: 17/30 (Glenn Frey, Randy Meisner, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Christine McVie, Gene Vincint, Lloyd Price, Denny Doherty, Mama Cass Elliot, John Phillips, David Brown, Allan Toussaint, and Jelly Roll Morton) The most alive 20th Century class.
2001: 13/26 (Johnnie Johnson, Jake Carey, Zeke Carey, Johnny Carter, Tommy Hunt, Sollie McElroy, Nate Nelson, Paul Wilson, Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Richie Valens, Solomon Burke, and Walter Becker)
2002: 10/20 (Chet Atkins, Gene Pitney, Issac Hayes, Joey Ramone, Johnny Ramone, Dee Dee Ramone, Tommy Ramone, Howie Epstein, Tom Petty, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 16/24 (Benny Benjamin, Floyd Cramer, Steve Douglas, Bon Scott, Malcom Young, Joe Strummer, Bobby Hatfield, and Mo Ostin)
2004: 9/18 (Chuck Barksdale, Johnny Carter, Johnny Funches, Marvin Junior, George Harrison, Prince, Jim Capaldi, Chris Wood, and Dusty Hill)
2005: 11/17 (William Powell, Percy Sledge, Pete Farndon, James Honeyman-Scott, Frank Barsalona, and Seymour Stein.)
2006: 17/28 (Miles Davis, Sid Vicious, everyone from Lynyrd Skynyrd other than Artimus Pyle, and Jerry Moss)
2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2009: 14/21 (Bill Black, DJ Fontana, Bobby Womack, Jeff Beck, Tracy Lord, Cliff Burton, and Jason "Jam-Master Jay" Mizell)
2010: 21/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Cynthia Weil, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 14/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, Neil Peart, and Quincy Jones)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 21/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, Eazy-E, and Bert Berns)
2017: 24/28 (Tupac Shakur, Richard Tandy, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 16/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Denny Lane, Mike Pinder, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 14/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Tina Turner, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton, and Clarence Avant)
2022: 24/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, Harry Belafonte, and Elizabeth Cotten)
2023: 13/21 (George Michael, Everyone from the Spinners other than John Edwards, Don Cornelius, and Link Wray.)
2024: 23/44 (Phife Dawg, Leroi More, Ed Gagliardi, Ian McDonald, Ronald Bell, George Brown, Robert "Spike" Mickens, Claydes "Charles" Smith, Dennis "Dee Tee" Thomas, Ricky Westfield, Jimmy Buffet, everyone from MC5, Norman Whitfield, Alexis Korner, John Mayall, and Big Mama Thorton)

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 16:12pm

Other bands and groups with only one living member (in the case of duos, the latter is alive):

Jerry Leiber and Mike Stroller
The Supremes (Diana Ross)
The Temptations (Otis Williams)
Carole King and Gerry Goffin
Cream (Eric Clapton)
The Allman Brothers Band (Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson)
The Bee Gees (Barry Gibb)
The Mamas and The Papas (Michelle Phillips)
The Staple Singers (Mavis Staples)
Steely Dan (Donald Fagan)
The Flamingos (Terry "Buzzy Johnson)
Ramones (Marky Ramone)
Righteous Brothers (Bill Medley)
Jerry Moss and Herb Alpert
Lynyrd Skynyrd (Artimus Pyle)
The Ronetts (Nedra Talley)
Ellie Greenwich and Jeff Barry
Cynthia Weil and Barry Man
The Crickets (Sonny Curtis)
The Blue Caps (Bobby Jones)
T. Rex (Bill Legend)
The Spinners (John Edwards)

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 16:55pm

Hey Guys,

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of the acts nominated this year for 2025 next year for 2026?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 20:25pm

Boy, the Rock Hall nominating committee missed the ball this year by not nominating The B-52's, DEVO, and Coldplay because they're playing great at SNL's 50th concert special.

And yes, I'm still angry that this year's ballot produced such a boring slate of nominees.

#TeamMariah, #TeamOutKast

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 21:36pm

John R.C.,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 21:40pm

I hate to still moan and groan over people not getting nominated. But I just can't look pass Luther Vandross and Lauryn Hill being overlooked this year.

Luther is having a huge resurgence with the Kendrick Lamar song that he performed at the Superbowl that's named after him and his doc. He was also just inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame recently.

Lauryn Hill just played (and crushed) SNL50 and was introduced as "one of the most influential artists of all time", she also got inducted into the Grammy Hall AGAIN as a producer after being inducted last year for The Miseducation, the album that Apple Music named the Greatest Ever. She also was the highest ranked female artist on COS' list of worst Rock Hall snubs, and is one of the last women from Billboards list of Women who deserve to be inducted who either hasn't been inducted or nominated yet. Idk how she hasn't been nominated yet, especially when she inducted The Staple Sisters, performed at two ceremonies, and was apart of their tribute for Aretha Franklin, who she wrote for. I'm sure they are probably waiting for OutKast to be inducted first but she should've been getting in now…

Posted by Naz P on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 22:18pm

Naz P,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 22:22pm

Richie,

It's been changing but I would say

Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
OutKast
Chubby Checker
The White Stripes
Mariah Carey
Bad Company
Phish

Posted by Naz P on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 23:05pm

Naz P,

I think Phish will be like DMB and fail to get in despite winning the fan vote.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/14/2025 @ 23:09pm

Cyndi Lauper-Cher
Mariah Carey-Mary J Blige
Oasis-DMB
Joe Cocker-Peter Frampton
Bad Company -Foriegner
Soundgarden-Ozzy
Chubby Checker-Kool and the Gang
Outkast -ATCQ

Seem a reasonable class.

Do not know how rock hall will treat Phish, if the DMB story will happen again this year or rock hall will induct top fan vote getter ragardless of true voting result.

I dont know if Billy Idol will more like George Michael in 23 or Cyndi (23) and Lenny (24), both cases are possible

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 00:04am

My prediction for presenters:
•Oasis - Damon Albarn
•Cyndi Lauper - Katy Perry or Chappell Roan
•The White Stripes - Olivia Rodrigo or Beck
•Chubby Checkers - i don't know
•Soundgarden - Eddie Vedder or Dave Grohl
•Joy Division/New Order - Thom Yorke or Robert Smith
•Bad Company - Brian May
•Phish - Dave Matthews
•The Black Crowes - i don't know
•Joe Cocker - Billy Joel
•Billy Idol - Miley Cyrus or Iggy Pop
•Outkast - i don't know
•Mariah Carey - Ariana Grande, Sabrina Carpenter or Christina Aguilera
•Maná - Shakira or Carlos Santana

Posted by RebelQueen on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 00:12am

alec t

Yes, cliff Richard has chance now, either by performer or early influence

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 01:37am

That SNL 50 concert played almost like a fever dream version of an induction ceremony. Genuinely one of the most insane lineups of artists I've seen, with genuinely very creative choices in combinations of artists and songs. The induction ceremony producers should be taking notes, and we'd better be seeing The B-52's, DEVO, Lauryn Hill, Snoop Dogg, Coldplay, and The White Stripes getting in as soon as possible.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 09:52am

Chris Stein from Blondie has already submitted the ballot

He votes for Billy Idol for sure

He voted for White Stripes and Cyndj in 23 so I think he votes for these two for sure in this year

https://x.com/chrissteinplays/status/1889745055209963689?t=iKT5SU2A2PlA_LiRGVN5AQ&s=19

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 10:16am

Spotify Monthly Listeners as of today -

Mariah Carey - 27.634 million
Oasis - 23.532 million
Outkast - 23.167 million
Cyndi Lauper - 17.814 million
Mana - 16.766 million
The White Stripes - 14.646 million
Billy Idol - 12.550 million
Soundgarden - 7.706 million
Joe Cocker - 6.349 million
New Order - 6.034 million
Joy Division - 3.861 million
The Black Crowes - 2.639 million
Chubby Checker - 2.425 million
Bad Company - 2.028 million
Phish - 412 thousand

This is why I think the Phish comparison to the Dave Matthews Band doesn't really hold much water - they are similar in that they are jam bands with cult followings, but they are an order of magnitude less popular (DMB's numbers are in the 2 millions). They have the kind of cult following that will absolutely organize to vote online, but their popularity will not be broadly spread across the voting body.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 10:19am

RG,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 10:20am

Revisiting my Hall Geography project from a while back:

Mariah Carey and Cyndi Lauper would be the 56th/57th artists from the NYC metro area

Billy Idol and Bad Company would be the 39th/40th artists from Greater London

The White Stripes would be the 17th from Detroit

Chubby Checker would be the 7th from Philadelphia, joining Bill Haley, Bonnie Raitt, Solomon Burke, Hall & Oates, Nina Simone, and Todd Rundgren

Soundgarden would be the 7th from Seattle, joining The Ventures, Jimi Hendrix, Heart, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and the Foo Fighters

Oasis and Joy Division/New Order would be the 3rd & 4th/(5th?) from Manchester, joining The Hollies and John Mayall

Outkast and The Black Crowes would be the 4th & 5th from the Atlanta area, joining Bessie Smith, Gladys Knight & The Pips, and R.E.M.

Joe Cocker would be the second from Sheffield after Def Leppard

Phish would be the first Burlington, Vermont-based inductee

Mana would be the first inductee from both Guadalajara, and Mexico as a whole

(I count based on where artists got their starts as musicians, not where they were born)

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 10:45am

richie,

I'm comfortable predicting these six:

Bad Company
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Mariah Carey
Outkast
The White Stripes

Stuck between the next tier of artists - Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Joy Division, Oasis, and Soundgarden for the last slot or two. My heart wants to predict Joy Division and Oasis, while my mind wants to predict Chubby Checker and Joe Cocker.

I don't think Phish, The Black Crowes, or Mana have much of a shot.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 11:09am

If this is suppose to the "Rock friendly" ballot then I expect a "Rock friendly" results at least for the Preformers category

I'm just saying don't be surprised if Mariah is snubbed again so they they have to hear whining from the Rock purists again

Posted by Alec T on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 11:16am

It's not something I agree with but don't be surprised if the most diverse picks from these groups along with Cyndi Lauper or OutKast and Chubby Checker

Posted by Alec T on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 11:20am

I think Soundgarden is very very safe

Just like richie says

"because they have the most nominations out of anyone on this year's ballot with three, and Kate Bush, The Spinners and RATM all got in as the most nominated acts in 2023 and ATCQ got in as the most nominated act last year in 2024, so I feel really good about Soundgarden this year"

Dont think four most nominated acts since 2024 all inducted are just coincidence. Rock hall will "find a way" to include them in main performer this year.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 11:22am

Again, four most noninated acts are all included, must some manipulation behind the scenes

Also, I am prety safe to say there will be an upset

Last year most people think mariah is lock and Lenny is very likely but they fail

This year will be the same, someone we thought is lock or has very great chance will fail surprisingly

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 11:25am

Chubby Checker's nomination is a good sign. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is not finished with nominating 50s-60s acts in the main performers category. One per year I guess. Jan & Dean, and the Monkees, should be next. Chubby Checker has tons of support. He will get inducted this year. No special category! The fact that Chubby Checker is doing better than The Black Crowes, Outkast, Mariah Carey, Oasis, The White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, and Mana, on the fan poll, says a lot!!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 11:36am

Chub, Oasis, Soundgarden, Cyndi, Mariah, Bad Company, Cocker, Outkast

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 14:48pm

Matt Cameron is the only person who could get a second induction into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame this year. Matt Cameron was inducted in 2017 as a member of Pearl Jam. This year he is nominated as a member of Soundgarden. If inducted, it would mean he waited 8 years between his first and second induction. Curtis Mayfield is the only other person to wait 8 years between his first and second inductions.

So, Foreigner was inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 2024, which made me think King Crimson would get nominated for 2025 because Ian McDonald was a member of both, Foreigner and King Crimson. Instead, the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame nominated another band with a connection to King Crimson, which is Bad Company. Boz Burrell was a member of both, King Crimson and Bad Company. This leads me to believe King Crimson will finally be nominated and inducted in 2026. Three members of King Crimson will have already been inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame - Bill Bruford in 2017 (Yes), Ian McDonald in 2024 (Foreigner), and Boz Burrell in 2025 (Bad Company). Only Bill Bruford is still alive and able to vote for himself. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame has interviewed Bill Bruford twice already in the past 8 years, but still no nomination for King Crimson.


Foreigner

01. Mick Jones (1976-2024; lead guitar; Spooky Tooth)
02. Lou Gramm (1976-2004; lead vocals)
03. Ed Gagliardi (1976-1979; bass guitar)
04. Al Greenwood (1976-1981; keyboards, synthesizers)
05. Ian McDonald (1976-1981; guitar, saxophone; King Crimson)
06. Dennis Elliott (1976-1991; drums, percussion)
07. Rick Wills (1979-1993; bass guitar)

Bad Company

01. Paul Rodgers (1973-2019: vocals, guitar, piano; Free)
02. Simon Kirke (1973-2019: vocals, drums; Free)
03. Mick Ralphs (1973-2016: vocals, guitar; Mott the Hoople)
04. Boz Burrell (1973-1999: vocals, bass guitar; King Crimson)

King Crimson

01. Robert Fripp (1968-Present: guitar, keyboards)
02. Greg Lake (1968-1970: vocals, bass; Emerson, Lake and Palmer, The Gods, Asia)
03. Ian McDonald (1968-1969: woodwinds, keyboards, guitar; Foreigner)
04. Michael Giles (1968-1969: vocals, drums)
05. Peter Sinfield (1968-1972: lyrics, keyboards, synthesizers)
06. Gordon Haskell (1970-1971: vocals, bass; Les Fleur de Lys)
07. Mel Collins (1970-1972: saxophone, flute, keyboards)
08. Andy McCulloch (1970-1971: drums)
09. Boz Burrell (1971-1972: vocals, bass; Bad Company)
10. Ian Wallace (1971-1972: drums)
11. John Wetton (1972-1974: vocals, bass; Family, Roxy Music, Asia)
12. David Cross (1972-1974: violin, viola, keyboards)
13. Bill Bruford (1972-1998: drums; Yes)
14. Jaime Muir (1972-1973: percussion)
15. Adrian Belew (1981-2009: vocals, guitar)
16. Tony Levin (1981-Present: bass, keyboards)
17. Trey Gunn (1994-2003: guitar)
18. Pat Mastelotto (1994-Present: drums; Mr. Mister)

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 14:55pm

Mat R,

I think that they'll put Chubby Checker in as Musical Influence, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 15:00pm

Chubby Checker has the support for a main performer induction! No musical excellence induction!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 15:02pm

As a Mariah Carey fan, if she gets inducted her presenter/performer will most likely be Ariana Grande. She's the biggest artist they could probably get that has said Mariah is her biggest musical inspiration. If not Ariana then Beyoncé but as far as I'm aware she's never covered a Mariah song live.

Posted by Ralib on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 15:03pm

THE 2025 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Chubby Checker
Joe Cocker
Bad Company
Joy Division/New Order
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 15:17pm

The King Crimson issue is they aren't inducting 18 members for a group again lol. It's unclear they want to even do a reduced number, because there's 3-4 members that could eventually be double inductions when they've tried to keep that number very small (even if it's warranted) and intentionally kept out some members like Jack Irons for Pearl Jam to prevented it from growing. They only include for those like Matt Cameron when it's unavoidable. Here there's many 1-2 year members but they played on their albums, and the rotation between members was heavy, so they might not want to induct someone who played for one album, and they don't go beyond 8-10 members per group anymore

They have to get to King Crimson at some point because they are an inevitable induction. If they need reduced my preference would be to induct the initial In the Court, Red, and Discipline members, which would reduce it to around 9 members (8 if they aren't including Sinfield for lyrics, but you might also induct David Cross on a technicality) and includes the most important. Second option would be just to induct Fripp. Third option is to pull a NIN, where Fripp is the only initial inductee and he chooses who goes in with him. Last option is a Fripp side category which I don't think anyone wants.

Posted by GuestG on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 15:23pm

The problem with White Stripes is that voters could seem as a "one hit wonder" and are just known for that song that is played at every sporting event

Odds are instead that Jack White ends up getting honored though Muscial Excellence instead

Posted by Alec T on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 15:40pm

THE 2025 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Chubby Checker
Joe Cocker
Bad Company
Joy Division/New Order
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
Mariah Carey

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 15:40pm

Alec t

I think jack white will end up with a member of white stripes.

And I think they still have great chance to be vote in this year, if not this year, next nomination chance will be definitely higher.

Also, although Jack White solo is successful, the most important outputs (not only one single, also some albums) of jack white still are mostly in the band era.

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 16:39pm

Also if musical excellence, they can still put the whole band in.

MC5, Priest was put in ME as the whole band.

White stripes could still be inducted as a band in musical excellence if rock hall actually decides to

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 16:42pm

As for this year, it is still likely that Soundgarden and Oasis will be F.cked again...

If this actually happens

Oasis may return to ballot for one more time

and Musical Excellence in the future for Soundgarden

Posted by Power on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 16:52pm

But I think rock hall will "find a way" to make induction of Oasis and Soundgarden "happen" this year. See Kate Bush, RATM. If you have a big popularity resurgence, you will be "find a way" to be "in", this is for Oasis, and richie mentions every most nominated acts are all in since 2023, no exception case. So it is easy to assume Soundgarden will be "in"

And I believe someone in these 7 will fail surprisingly

Mariah Carey
Cyndi Lauper
Billy Idol
Chubby Checker
Joe Cocker
Bad Company
Outkast

Because since 2023, every year has some "upset", and some "lock" or "great chance" candidate surprisingly missed. Mariah and Lenny in 24, Cyndi in 23. This year will be the same.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 17:01pm

We need to stop thinking about music excellence for every artist that doesn't make it in after 2 or 3 times lol. They can tell when an artist needs to be in the main category and can't be sided. Rage gets five and Black Sabbath gets eight nominations for a reason. They save it for the MC5s or Kraftwerks who don't have enough reach to be voted by industry ever. Only questionable side category was Judas Priest but it's hopeless for metal, some like Jimmy Buffet should have had a ballot shot, but rest made sense.

All of these artists have a real chance of being inducted. Here the only one who might not make it ever is Mana who should be inaugural inductee in an international performers category. Putting in Soundgarden, White Stripes, JD/NO, Oasis, Carey in Musical Excellence because they didn't make it after 2 tries would be a disaster for the hall and age so badly. Was the same with Bush and Tribe. Some don't make it in immediately, but all of these have heavy listernership and relevancy these days, high success, influence, all the long-lasting indicators some inductees don't. Just because they don't make a tight ballot of insiders after 2 times doesn't mean they won't ever

These artists will get at least 5 tries. Some I could see getting Sabbath level nominations like JD/NO or White Stripes if needed. These have to go in the main category and they know they have to or it's a "tear down the hall and start over" level offense. Especially when we're 30 years down the road and questioning who to even induct

Posted by GuestG on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 17:12pm

Power,

but I don't think that anyone will fail surprisingly this year unlike the last two years (2023 and 2024), I think that the votes will be so tight between the top 9 in the official voting that they'll put 9 acts in this year (Bad Company, Mariah Carey, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Billy Idol, Cyndi Lauper, Oasis, OutKast and Soundgarden).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 17:16pm

It is also likely rock hall will decrease the musical excellence inductees and induct 9-10 performers in this year

Last year was 8 performer inductees and 2 me inductees had performance.

This year could see a case with 9 peeformer inductees with 1 ME perform

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 17:25pm

Power,

If that's the case, Who do you see being a 10th inductee this year in addition to the Top 9 (Bad Company, Mariah Carey, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Billy Idol, Cyndi Lauper, Oasis, OutKast and Soundgarden)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 17:27pm

Remember last year, almost no one predicted DMB, and they are in "because they are fan vote winner"

richie

So I think rock hall "will find a way" to put some act they really need in as performer, so someone will definitely surprisingly miss if rock hall wants to push another one who not is in "lock" or "good chance" range

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 17:29pm

Power,

but I disagree with you, There won't be anybody that surprisingly misses this year unlike the last two years, I think that the top 9 (Bad Company, Mariah Carey, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Billy Idol, Cyndi Lauper, Oasis, OutKast and Soundgarden) are all safe for induction this year plus The White Stripes if somehow 10 inductees this year as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 17:36pm

PERFORMERS AND PRESENTERS
The White Stripes- Ray Davies
Billy Idol- Iggy Pop
The Black Crowes-Donnie Van Zant
Oasis- Billie Joe Armstrong
Soundgarden- Eddie Vedder
Bad Company- Jimmie Vaughan
Joy Division/New Order- Thom Yorke
EXCELLENCE
Joe Cocker- Daryl Hall
Chubby Checker- Elvis Costello
INFLUENCE
Big Maybelle- Joan Jett
The Sugarhill Gang- DJ Run
NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Cardgage on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 18:07pm

Iron Maiden and Fela Kuti unlike most of the acts nominated makes sense for Musical Excellence despite 2 tries though not returning to the ballot is because of niche support of their respected musical backgrounds

Though Dionne Warwick getting backdoored was bizarre
She very well could have had a good shot of getting in on her 3rd try as a nominee

Maybe that would of prevented from John Skyes' precious Mariah Carey from being nominated again but I digress

Posted by Alec T on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 18:34pm

Chubby Checker and Joe Cocker are not getting Musical Excellence induction! They have plenty of support.

Dave Matthews Band won the fan poll the first time they were nominated, but were not inducted. Same thing will most likely happen to Phish.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 18:37pm

Phish does not have what Dave Matthews Band had

Posted by Alec T on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 18:42pm

FAN BALLOT LEADERBOARD

https://vote.rockhall.com/leaderboard

1. Phish - 68,990
2. Billy Idol - 43,436
3. Soundgarden - 41,671
4. Cyndi Lauper - 36,830
5. Joe Cocker - 34,178
6. Bad Company - 33,888
7. Chubby Checker - 31,052

The Black Crowes - 28,469
Outkast - 27,772
Mariah Carey - 26,329
Oasis - 24,728
Joy Division / New Order - 23,179
The White Stripes - 22,763
Maná - 8,525

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 18:49pm

The thing with Phish is I feel like we are underestimating their appeal. They have a huge cult following. It's easy to write them off because most of us aren't apart of that following. But their nomination is enough to show that voters do want them in and the fan vote won't hurt. Personally, I think Soundgarden would be the better choice, especially since they're overdue. But anything can happen

Posted by Naz P on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 19:03pm

Naz P,

I think Phish will be like DMB in 2020 and they'll fail to get in this year despite winning the fan vote.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 19:10pm

If the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame can put Phish, Soundgarden, The Black Crowes, and Oasis all together on the same ballot, they sure as hell can do the same thing with Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, and Blood, Sweat & Tears.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 19:13pm

alec t

I speculate that Maiden was the one finished #14 in 23...

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 19:32pm

FAN POLL LEADERBOARD

1. Phish
69,253
2. Billy Idol
43,602
3. Soundgarden
41,837
4. Cyndi Lauper
36,977
5. Joe Cocker
34,316
6. Bad Company
34,030
7. Chubby Checker
31,190
8. The Black Crowes
28,591
9. Outkast
27,874
10. Mariah Carey
26,454
11. Oasis
24,799
12. Joy Division + New Order
23,287
13. The White Stripes
22,844
14. Maná
8,577

Posted by Cardgage on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 19:32pm

Phish is being very fairly ranked.

Which is to say, they were expected to dominate the fan vote because jam bands are very passionate and they are THE jam band these days. That will help keep them in discussion in future years. But they realistically need a few years because they never had a hit single, a hit album, critically acclaimed studios releases or even that much influence. They are because live concerts are high regard, and that won't be an automatic sell for the industry voters if DMB's commercial success couldn't net them. I think it takes them 3-4 years but they'll do it, but for the fans who think they are "disrupting the system by voting the little indie band" (like being nominated in the first place is highly vetted and a huge regard) it might be surprising when they won't.

As well as the 90s alternative/rock field is insanely crowded this year (90s overall does when adding Carey and Outkast), there's going to be a lot of canceling out amongst each other

Posted by GuestG on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 19:55pm

2025 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees revealed: See the list!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNIyf5gMpYw

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2025 Nominees! REACTION & PREDICTIONS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IiNWQ0jXl0

Here Are the Nominees for the 2025 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI84CGc_W_E

The 2025 Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame Nominees! (w/Martin Popoff)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZboJ1cPzcE

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announces 2025 induction nominees: See who made the list
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ePta2gL0M

2025 Rock N Roll Nominations Announced - Oh Boy!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwhKcpYu_OA

ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME 2025 NOMINEES REACTION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InbmUm5Eyck

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 20:09pm

Guestg

I can see a case that rock hall just puts Phish in "this year" because rock hall does not want repeat the story of DMB in 2020. That year was "ugly" when top vote getter failed.

So there has a chance even Phish does not finish well in final voting, rock hall still "find a way" to put them in regardless of what. It just depends on how rock hall will cope with this type of thing, does rock hall wants to "screw" fans again?

Thoughts?

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 20:17pm

Power,

I just don't see it for Phish this year, I think that they will be like DMB in 2020 and they'll fail to get in this year despite winning the fan vote.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 20:23pm

Billy Idol's guitarist and songwriter Steve Stevens is included in Billy Idol's nomination. I wonder how they are going to announce them at the induction ceremony.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 20:53pm

I see you K-Dawg! :)

Alec T,

Interesting theory. I thought I was the only one who thought Mariah's nominations were due to John Sykes. I know he mentioned Whitney should've been in and Whitney easily got in after the first nomination, Mariah didn't. I wonder what other picks he had that went in. I imagine Tina and Cher too? Maybe, maybe not.

Anyways, my picks have changed a bit, still the same but different:

Billy Idol - Definitely a rock icon. I may be a bit biased because I liked a bunch of his songs over the years.

Cyndi Lauper - I hope I don't jinx her but I don't see her not getting in especially in this shortened class.

Chubby Checker - I raised him a little higher because I think he will be voted in on his first nomination. Don't sleep on Chub!

Soundgarden - I predict three 90s bands will get in, this is the first one.

Oasis - This is the second one.

OutKast - technically a band but a duo

Bad Company - because they gotta fit in the 70s arena rock quota. But maybe not. I don't know if they have what Foreigner had last year.

If they go with 8 (which they might), they might decide it's Jack and Meg's time in the spotlight so the White Stripes could actually be the wildcard here. You'd think they be an easy pick but it's the Rock Hall and they can be a bit unpredictable.

Mariah or Joe Cocker if nine - if you think it was any easier for Mariah this year than last, than you don't know the Rock Hall. Think of every R&B (or R&B-inflected) act that got nominated over and over again until they got in.

Few of them ever got in as a first ballot (first year eligible and first year nominated) inductee.

Even some of the biggest R&B-oriented artists took YEARS getting in. Chaka Khan was nominated like 7 times, 4 with Rufus and 3 solo before she got in the backdoor. Dionne got in the backdoor after 2. Donna Summer was nominated 4 times before getting in on her 5th nomination and right after her sudden passing the previous year. Janet had to wait three nominations.

So I don't know why people get so confident about Mariah. She's probably the Bon Jovi of the R&B nominations. A very huge act that is not liked by the voters. Only fans are pulling in for her. She has no mainstream support behind her nomination as of yet and she didn't get one last year. Add to the fact that her Christmas stuff has defined her legacy more so than her other works. Like she has nineteen number one US pop hits and the best anyone can remember outside of All I Want for Christmas is You is Fantasy (which recently got played in a commercial) and We Belong Together. I was just as bullish about her chances last time. I hope I'm wrong about her chances. But that's just my stance on it. For now. It could change.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 21:06pm

Also not sure where Phish lands here. They could make them a ninth inductee if they don't want a repeat of 2020 lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 21:10pm

Timothy Pernell,

I think that Chubby Checker will go in as Musical Influence, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 21:10pm

Billy idol-done deal

Only inducted acts can change the inducted members

It is safe to say Billy idol is in

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 21:40pm

Billy idol-done deal

Only inducted acts can change the inducted members

It is safe to say Billy idol is in

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 21:40pm

Ralib,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 22:47pm

Timothy Pernell

Mariah Carey could surprisingly fail again.

It's possible that rock voters will fill their ballots with seven rock candidates, leading to many rock nominees receiving similar vote counts—potentially enough to shut Mariah out once again.

Most rock-oriented voters won't even consider Mariah at all.

If voters were only allowed to vote for five candidates, Mariah might have already been inducted by now. In that scenario, rock candidates would split votes among themselves, making it harder for any single rock act to dominate. However, with seven votes available, many rock voters will likely include multiple rock candidates on their ballots. This could result in many rock nominees receiving similar vote totals, increasing their collective chances of getting inducted.

The "vote for seven" system ultimately benefits rock artists by allowing rock voters to support multiple candidates without having to choose between them. This creates a scenario where rock nominees reinforce each other's chances, making it more difficult for non-rock nominees like Mariah to break through.

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 22:58pm

Power,

I think that Mariah Carey won't surprisingly fail again this year, I think that she will get in this time around.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 23:04pm

I'm betting iron maiden goes in this year as ME. They're conceding they just don't have the votes to do it in the main performers cat

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 23:05pm

k-dawg

Now with four 2023 nominees returning in 25, we may assume iron maiden was #14 in 23

richie

Janet used three times

Janet has better critical acclaim and is slightly worse in popularity

Posted by power on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 23:12pm

PERFORMERS AND PRESENTERS
The White Stripes- Ray Davies
Billy Idol- Iggy Pop
The Black Crowes-Donnie Van Zant
Oasis- Billie Joe Armstrong
Soundgarden- Eddie Vedder
Bad Company- Jimmie Vaughan
Joy Division/New Order- Thom Yorke
EXCELLENCE
Joe Cocker- Daryl Hall
Chubby Checker- Elvis Costello
INFLUENCE
Big Maybelle- Joan Jett
The Sugarhill Gang- DJ Run
NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Cardgage on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 23:24pm

Power,

but Janet took three tries to get in, while Whitney only took 1 try to get in, so I see Mariah taking two tries to get in.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2025 @ 23:30pm

K - Dawg,

Not just Maiden though. Others including New York Dolls, Devo, Motorhead, Jane's Addiction, Bad Brains etc would very likely to be in the same route. No matter how many times they're on a ballot, the voters never gave them a chance.

And that's unfortunate since they have credentials to rightfully be voted in but no screw them according to those people. Like what they did to Kraftwerk, LL Cool J, Judas Priest, Chaka Khan, Dionne Warwick & MC5, such ridiculousness.

What's even worse is they literally had no problem voting artists who didn't even change rock & roll. Yep looking at Sheryl Crow, Peter Frampton, DMB, Foreigner, Carly Simon, Stevie Nicks, Bon Jovi, Journey & Steve Miller.

Posted by JE on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 00:15am

JE,

What are your predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 00:25am

For Rock Hall discussions, only three days matter each year: the nominee announcement day, the inductee announcement day, and the induction ceremony day. The rest of the days are incredibly boring and should be fast-forwarded. So let's just skip ahead to late April and announce the inductees already.

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 01:16am

Maybe someday Interpol will get in. Six successful albums. Six hit singles. One of the leaders of the post punk revival of the 2000s decade.

Posted by Cardgage on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 01:35am

Long post, but my picks, weighed objective likelihood based on precedent and conspiracy theories, as well as my personal preference:

Chubby Checker: A no-brainer to me. The closest thing to a Cher/Ozzy boomer icon, who spent years denouncing his absence like Cher/Ozzy. Putting him in "ME" seems less appropriate, since "excellence" wouldn't apply to somebody with a huge gap in musicianship. *Who will induct: This one is the hardest to predict. My guess is Steven Van Zandt is responsible for his nomination, so maybe he can do it, or he can get Springsteen. I would venture more of a modern-day Ed Sullivan or Dick Clark-type like Ryan Seacrest (who I remember introducing the Beach Boys at the Grammys years ago) or one of the late night hosts, like Jimmy Fallon*
OutKast: The nomination many have been waiting for, and a wonder why they had to wait so long after Eminem and Missy were given priority treatment. They're the closest to a lock on this ballot, especially since the NomCom cleared the genre lane for them. *Who will induct: They're beloved enough, and have worked with enough artists to get any big name rapper or alt-R&B musician to do it, from Kendrick to Frank Ocean. But for the southern hip hop connection, I'd go with J.Cole*
Mariah Carey: The most significant female artist not in the RRHOF, with current eligibility. Checks all legacy boxes, with the added advantage of current relevance (her streams absolutely trounce every co-nominee, as well as practically all of her peers, dead or alive). But still polarized opinion of her after all these years, which I guess that all comes with the job when you've reached that level of popularity. It's so obvious that the NomCom set up this ballot in her advantage, why else would they regress from five solo or front-facing female nominees last year, to only two this year. Anybody who doesn't see it is just anti-dicting at this point. Maybe if she had a Seymour Stein (Madonna), Clive Davis (Whitney) or David Geffen (Cher) writing letters to the voting body, then she would've floated in the same. *Who will induct: Almost certain to be Ariana Grande, but she will be in the middle of promoting Wicked 2; in the case of an alternative, then Rihanna will most likely be open to doing it*
Cyndi Lauper: The other solo woman on the ballot, everyone predicted her this year. She is entering the RRHOF building with absolutely zero resistance this time. The only people she might split with are marginal (Mariah for gender and Billy for generation), and there is enough room this year for all of them. *Who will induct: Somebody young and queer. Chappell Roan is a good choice, and she's in that industry novice soft spot, where she has to "play the game" in order to sustain career longevity. Sam Smith would also be nice, they joined her on one of her recent tour dates*
Billy Idol: The "pay to play" or "quid pro quo" pick this year, like there has been every year recently. But he deserves induction on his own merit, unlike Sheryl Crow or Peter Frampton IMO. Hoping Cyndi and Billy open the door for the B-52s and Culture Club. *Who will induct: Miley Cyrus, who he has performed with, recorded with, and whom he has consistently spoken of fondly since. In the case they want to diversify their inductor roster with Hollywood types, then Adam Sandler (The Wedding Singer)*
Joe Cocker: Enough of his peers are still alive and remember him fondly to ensure his induction. Not my preference, but enough voters will overlook his status as mainly an interpreter. He had staying power and his career is one that reflects a lot of people who are already enshrined, which is much more than some of his co-nominees (ie. Black Crowes, Phish). What's interesting is that he is among a group of people who turned to MOR AC in the 80's to keep themself on the charts (like Elton, Lionel, etc.) which probably used to be a barrier for consideration, and why I'm guessing it took him this long for a nom. *Who will induct: Billy Joel was an advocate for this ten years ago. Bonnie Raitt worked with him a lot*
Bad Company: I guess they have to get through the backlog of 70's dad rock, but were most people thinking of them? Not my cuppa tea, and they seem like scraping the bottom of the barrel (between them, Boston, Styx, REO Speedwagon, seem like different colours of lettuce in the same salad), but I trust others' punditry who say they're a lock because of other factors. *Who will induct: Ceremony mainstay Slash, or younger retro bluesy rock/country revivalist like Chris Stapleton.
The White Stripes: There were plenty of 2000's acts newly eligible to introduce, and that they brought the Whites back may indicate that they're attempting to adhere to a pecking order - as in, get the "credible" 2000's rock acts in, before considering the pop-punk, rap rock generation (Linkin Park) who sold more records. To me, they're just Seven Nation Army, but that could very well be enough. *Who will induct: Olivia Rodrigo, easy choice. She's called them her favourite band of all time, Jack White as her mentor, and her Disney relationship will make for a fast and efficient booking for the show's talent agents*
Oasis: They were probably just shy of meeting the induction threshold last year. Their popularity is insane, for a band whose main peak, black and white success can be consolidated within a few years in the 90's, and not even throughout the entire anglosphere. That they can play 40K+ seat STATIUMS in every continent is actually insane - that they're more popular today, then they were then. They're in direct competition with the other 90's bands, particularly Soundgarden, but I give Oasis the edge for their "freshness". *Who will induct: They've bad-mouthed practically every other male and some female artists with even a remote sonic adjacency, so there might be very few people who would agree. Somebody British, Chris Martin, Harry Styles, Alex Turner, all of whom the Gallaghers have gone back and forth with (talking specifically about their opinions of others, since their beef is usually one-sided), but seem to be in good standing with them, as of recent*

Posted by ChrisD on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 05:10am

My top 10 is almost the same as ChrisD's.

My top 10 consists of Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Bad Company, Cyndi Lauper, Billy Idol, Mariah Carey, and Outkast, plus Oasis, Soundgarden, and White Stripes. I also think Phish might have a chance.

I don't think Black Crowes, JDNO, or Maná have much chance this year (I would rank Black Crowes > JDNO > Maná).

I will divide my top 10 (11) into three groups:

First group: Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Bad Company, Cyndi Lauper, Billy Idol, Mariah Carey, Outkast
Second group: Soundgarden, Oasis, White Stripes

Third group: Phish

Assuming this year will also induct 8, just like last year, here is my prediction:

For the first group, there are acts that seem pretty safe based on "connections," "popularity," and "genre." These are the types of acts that most people will predict and assume are "locks" or "pretty safe." However, since 2023, when Rick Krim took over, there have usually been 1–2 acts in this type of group that surprisingly fail to get inducted. In 2023, it was Cyndi Lauper (and to some extent, Warren Zevon). In 2024, it was Mariah Carey and Lenny Kravitz. Expect the same this year—1–2 from this group will definitely fail.

I would say Billy Idol is the biggest "lock" in this group because of the changes made on inducted members under "Billy Idol".

In theory, White Stripes should have an advantage over Soundgarden based on their résumé. However, since 2023, every candidate with the most nominations in a given year has, without exception, been inducted as a performer. This includes Kate Bush (4), A Tribe Called Quest (3), The Spinners (4), and Rage Against the Machine (5)—the probability is 100%. Again, this is clearly not a coincidence, but rather the Rock Hall "finding a way" to make it happen. This is why I believe Soundgarden has a better chance than White Stripes.

As for Oasis, I think they are a sure thing. RATM gained renewed popularity because of MAGA, then in 2022, they had a well-received reunion tour, and in 2023, they were immediately inducted. Kate Bush gained delayed popularity in the U.S. due to Stranger Things, and she was inducted in 2023 as well. Is this a coincidence? Obviously, the Rock Hall will "find a way"—otherwise, they would appear out of touch and unable to correctly identify major shifts in pop culture and influence.

So with Oasis, just like RATM and Kate Bush, their reunion tour (which immediately sold out large stadiums in the U.S.) means they are basically locked in. They will be "found a way" into the performer inductees this year.

The first group has seven acts, and the second group has two, so if they induct eight total, 1–2 acts from the first group will certainly miss out.

As for Phish, I do not think they will get enough votes in the true voting results. But don't be surprised if the Rock Hall decides to induct Phish anyway, regardless of the actual vote count. In 2020, Dave Matthews Band (DMB) failed to be inducted, which was seen as a major disappointment by fans. The Rock Hall might not want to repeat that situation and could just induct Phish no matter the final voting results.

Alternatively, they could simply follow the real vote count and ignore Phish if they don't get enough votes. It all depends on how the Rock Hall committee members feel about the DMB failure in 2020. Either outcome is possible. Don't be surprised if Phish doesn't actually get enough votes but still appears on the list of performer inductees in 2025.

Also, are you sure that DMB truly finished in the top 8 in voting? Could it be possible that the Rock Hall just didn't want to let the fan vote winner fail and instead "found a way" to make DMB's induction as a performer happen?

Posted by power on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 05:42am

FYI: Voter ballot made public:
https://x.com/SheckyGreen/status/1890160365708931403

I wonder if we'll see more of these since everything is online.

Posted by ChrisD on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 07:19am

Question: Do ME and other side cat inductees automatically get a vote, same as normal inductees?

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 08:52am

Power,

They have ways to bend rules (such as when they cutoff votes, the main board voting after the rest have to sway results, including 8 instead of 7 inductees, who they nominate as "competition", etc) but I don't think they will for Phish first year. The fan vote can be easily manipulated and should not guarantee induction. DMB took topping it twice where it became they had to or it's an issue, first time it wasn't. There's going to be more controversy if other artists don't make it vs if Phish doesn't because they topped the vote, they have many more opportunities upcoming

Omar,

This does not lock in Idol even if he's a favorite for induction. They decided he was being included too upon nomination, his bio said "along with guitarist Steve Stevens" so he didn't change it. Even if he did force it, it wouldn't lock him in. Motorhead famously got them to include members halfway through voting and they never got inducted. They included more Oasis members last year and they are here being voted for again. That's never been a signal

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 10:02am

With Iron Maiden possibly being dead last in the 2023 voting

Makes me wonder how unfortunate Beck did in the 2022 and why that's been why he hasn't returned to the ballot

Posted by Alec T on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 10:25am

k-dawg

yes

ME the same

All inductees are the same
Each inductee will get a vote

Posted by Abc on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 11:05am

Alec t
maybe beck only performed better than NY dolls and MC5, dead last is not totally impossible.

Also should be mentioned that Beck tanked on public ballot, which is consisted of critics, critica should give Beck good will in theory but in reality beck performed very bad in public ballot

Posted by Peter on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 11:16am

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2025 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME
BASED ON THE TOP ELIGIBLE VOTE GETTERS ON FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS

https://futurerocklegends.com/Statistics/

1. Devo
2. Coven
3. Britney Spears
4. Jethro Tull
5. Nickelback
6. Blink-182
7. Backstreet Boys
8. The Monkees
9. Linkin Park
10. Alice In Chains
11. Destiny's Child
12. Mariah Carey

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 11:32am

Isn't L.A. Reid part of the Rock Hall committee? Maybe he can vouch for Mariah. Think the thing that's holding Mariah back is she has no real support system gunning for her. Otherwise she would have had an easier time the first time around. I think Questlove had to do a campaign for Janet, which went a long way in finally inducting her.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 11:56am

Power,

I agree 100%! Like mentioned, if any of the "non-rock" acts attracts the most vitriol, it definitely is aimed at Mariah more than anyone else. The vote for seven scenario makes it easier for rock voters to do their rock-only ballots. A scenario like what happened in 2024 can indeed happen again.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 12:03pm

My predictions are:

Bad Company
OutKast
Phish
Mariah Carey
Cyndi Lauper
Oasis
Soundgarden

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 14:08pm

Someone on the Who Cares About The Rock Hall? ballot joked around and said this was the "Anti DEI" ballot and that actually got a good laugh out of me

Posted by Alec T on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 14:38pm

I usually say acts shouldn't get inducted because of one say but…. Chubby Checker created one of the hugest and most iconic songs of the Rock Era and you can say yes for awhile he was one of the early Rock n Roll stars

Posted by Alec T on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 14:44pm

Ironic since Mana inclusion among other acts makes this one of the most diverse ballots in the history of the Hall.

Guess I can't see Anglos wanting actual diversity of a worldwide Hall, just more Anglos pretending it's diversity because of characteristic differences from the same population and thinking it is. If it's international artists not from US, UK or other English-language locations it's "anti-DEI" apparently.

They really just need to rename the thing into the Anglo Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because this discourse is getting embarrassing for them.

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 15:01pm

The thing about this ballot, despite our feelings one way or the other, about "rockist", diversity, popularity and so many other factors that makes a true rock and roll hall of fame so polarizing is...there's arguably 12 acts on this ballot that deserve some kind of recognition. Even Mana, who I only am marginally familiar with, deserves some kind of recognition.

The only acts I'm on the fence with in this list are the Black Crowes, and Phish, but on the latter only because they are jumping about seven sharks if they want to put jam bands in now. I wonder if they are only on here because of their Sirius channel, which ironically DMB has one and was an iffy choice last year. That bodes well for John Mayer in coming eligibility years as well...

There is a compelling argument for everyone else, either influential, diverse, popular or whatever reasonable variable you want to throw out there.

And, for fun, I went to Head East, Rick Derringer and Mountain's pages for snubbed artists...there are people that think they unequivocally belong for "one song that changed the landscape" lol...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 15:39pm

Anyways someone said they would find a way to put both Oasis and Soundgarden in and I tend to agree with that

Posted by Alec T on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 16:35pm

Who the crap is Coven?

Posted by Cardgage on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 19:50pm

Cardgage

Coven is a pioneering metal band, one of their members is a women.

Posted by RebelQueen on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 20:14pm

Alec T,

They will. I predict it'll be a mixture of 80s and 90s inductees this year along with the '60s (Chubby) and '70s (Bad Company) picks.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 22:21pm

Timothy Pernell,

I think that they will put Chubby Checker in as Musical Influence, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/16/2025 @ 22:23pm

Is it possible that every Classic Rock nominee gets snubbed?

(The Classic Rock nominees: Bad Company, Billy Idol, The Black Crows, and Joe Cocker)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/17/2025 @ 13:32pm

Follower,

I think that Bad Company, Joe Cocker and Billy Idol get in this year, while The Black Crowes don't have much chance this year.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/17/2025 @ 13:36pm

Here's the number of hits every nominee has!

Bad Company: 9
The Black Crowes: 2
Chubby Checker: 22
Joe Cocker: 9
Billy Idol: 9
Mana: 0
Outkast: 9
Phish: 0
Mariah Carey: 34
Joy Division/New Order: 0/2
Cyndi Lauper: 12
Oasis: 1, but since they're a 90's band they had 3 Airplay hits.
Soundgarden: 3
The White Stripes: 1

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/17/2025 @ 13:48pm

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2025 next year for 2026?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/17/2025 @ 21:03pm

PERFORMERS AND PRESENTERS
The White Stripes- Ray Davies
Billy Idol- Iggy Pop
The Black Crowes-Donnie Van Zant
Oasis- Billie Joe Armstrong
Soundgarden- Eddie Vedder
Bad Company- Jimmie Vaughan
Joy Division/New Order- Thom Yorke
EXCELLENCE
Joe Cocker- Daryl Hall
Chubby Checker- Elvis Costello
INFLUENCE
Big Maybelle- Joan Jett
The Sugarhill Gang- DJ Run
NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Cardgage on Monday, 02/17/2025 @ 22:13pm

Chubby Checker is a novelty pick for me. He has one iconic song (The Twist) that belongs in the hall but his discography overall has not been all that influential.

Posted by Ralib on Tuesday, 02/18/2025 @ 11:34am

Ralib,

Who do you think will be the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/18/2025 @ 11:41am

If we don't see Iron Maiden get Muscial Excellence this cycle then don't be surprised if it instead goes to Ronnie James Dio this cycle

Tom Morello has talked with Eddie Trunk about putting him in eventually

Posted by Alec T on Tuesday, 02/18/2025 @ 15:11pm

If Excellence goes to Iron Maiden or Dio, it will go to the other next year.

If it goes to Devo, then The B-52s will get it next year.

If it goes to Chubby Checker, then we may see Jackie Brenston or The Big Bopper next year.

If it goes to ELP, then King Crimson has to get in next year

If it goes to Cocker, then maybe Huey Lewis and the News next year

Posted by Cardgage on Tuesday, 02/18/2025 @ 16:13pm

Dio would be getting honored for his whole career not just his solo band

If ELP or King Crimson are immediately honored through Musical Excellence then it Keith Emerson,Greg Lake and Robert Firpp on their own would be honored

Posted by Alec T on Tuesday, 02/18/2025 @ 16:36pm

It's too easy for a couple people to silence this board for hours.

I'm thinking, with the ballot being as loaded as it is with potential inductees, that Mariah Carey might get shafted this year. As mentioned, she hasn't done much to kowtow towards the committee, and there are too many names that DO need to play catch up on this list. Chubby Checker and Joe Cocker are immediate names that people will glom onto. I think she belongs easily, and there is a backlog that could hurt the likes of Britney, Christina, Rihanna, even Katy Perry or Lady Gaga...but there's too much to feed the boomers this year.

To quote many, what do you think?

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/18/2025 @ 16:57pm

K-Dawg,

I think that Chubby Checker will get in via Musical Influence, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/18/2025 @ 17:00pm

K Dawg,

Mariah is more a matter of when not if I feel like. How long will it take for voters to acclimate "Yes Mariah is deserving of the hall". Ive come around on her a lot she has good songs Fantasy is excellent. Janet Jackson took 3 times, Donna Summer took 5 times. Chaka Khan was sidedoored. Mariah is too big to be sidedoored, so it may take 5 times if it has to

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 02/18/2025 @ 18:00pm

Will M,

Who do you think will be the 2025 inductees (If 9 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/18/2025 @ 18:12pm

will m,

Call it a feeling, but I think we're still in the honeymoon phase for the resurgent rockist contingent. While I felt Foreigner and Ozzy were deserving, they took Frampton with them strictly on 2 live songs and an oral contraceptive. This is why I'm predicting Bad Company (I won't hold back that I think they are the biggest 70s rock snub still remaining), in addition to the likes of Joe Cocker and even Billy Idol, who does have some crossover appeal, but they see him and they think "WHite Wedding" and "Rebel Yell" above all else. I also very carefully left Soundgarden out, because I'm not sure them nor Oasis is in the cards as the 70s rocker trumps the 90s with the older aging crowd. Something about the Stripes simplicity of a 2 person band gives me a hunch. I know I'm jumping around, but this is why I'm thinking it could be an "older ballot" and so some of the more recent acts could get left in a lurch. Mariah is the very center of the idiots' ire that she "isn't rock and roll", and Outkast I think undoubtedly will get all the love from those who know better, so it's a complicated call.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/18/2025 @ 23:06pm

richie,

I know you think Chubby Checker is going in the side door. And, I know most will disagree with you, but you'll keep reminding us. I'm going to say he'll be a main nominee, since that's usually been the norm when older acts get nominated. So, if you repeat that "but I think you're wrong" I will simply ignore you.

I will have to think about side cats, but I'm thinking Maiden is going to get in this year in one of them.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/19/2025 @ 00:02am

Im going to hope it doesnt take Mariah extra time to get in- especially since acts like Alicia Keys and Beyonce are rapidly approaching their eligibility and groups like TLC and Destiny's Child are gonna be there to take the R&B/pop lane that she currently occupies. I know she isnt the most beloved by some in that organization but off the credentials alone if Cher can get in, Mariah more than ever has a place there.

Posted by ABJ on Wednesday, 02/19/2025 @ 07:48am

Dont know how rock hall committee actually sees Mariah

But Mariah has no competition this year so I assume she is in and rock hall is urgent to put her in.

But if only based on assumption, she would already be a lock and inducted in last year as everyone thought her chance was 100%.

I think she is going to be in regardless, and one of (Cyndi, Idol, Chubby, Cocker, Outkast, Bad Company) will surprisingly fail based on the pattern from last years to "make room" for some acts the rock hall "wants"

Posted by power on Wednesday, 02/19/2025 @ 08:29am

ABJ,

Beyonce is gonna get in first year (2027). The Hall hasn't caught up to modern girl groups and probably won't for a while so don't expect TLC or Destiny's Child anytime soon, although DC will be first to make Bey a double inductee.
Alicia Keys, getting nominated next year would be extremely disrespectful to Lauryn Hill, Fiona Apple, Bjork and Diana Ross. Fortunately it's very likely that Lauryn will take the OutKast slot. So if Mariah gets in I can see Alicia getting her slot, but truthfully Sade or Diana Ross should and could get it instead.

Posted by Naz P on Wednesday, 02/19/2025 @ 09:10am

b52s and inxs will be next after cyndi and billy in, I am sure

Thoughts?

Posted by power on Wednesday, 02/19/2025 @ 09:36am

Power,

I think the 2025 inductees (If 9 inductees) will be:

Bad Company
Mariah Carey
Joe Cocker
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Oasis
OutKast
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

Chubby Checker gets in via Musical Influence. while Iron Maiden and New York Dolls get in via Musical Excellence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/19/2025 @ 09:45am

Almost no more to talk and analyse

So just wait until the big announcement

I believe we will in April 27th

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/19/2025 @ 11:47am

I believe we will get inductees in April 27th

Posted by omar on Wednesday, 02/19/2025 @ 11:51am

There's plenty we can talk about. We can showcase the nominees, compare them to others.We can still discuss snubs and fallout from the choices.

Unfortunately, some will keep driving the topics to where they want and can't get enough of, but if we can get past that, we can make this board as great of a place to discuss music as it used to be...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/19/2025 @ 23:24pm

I think the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again) will come from those 10 acts:

Bad Company
Mariah Carey
Joe Cocker
Billy Idol
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
Oasis
OutKast
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

Chubby Checker gets in via Musical Influence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/19/2025 @ 23:29pm

I like this ballot. I think they all are deserving as compared to other inductees and many are long overdue. There are other acts which I wish were o it but everyone can't be on it at the same time. The B-52's, Coldplay, Devo, The Guess Wo, Jim Croce, Glen Campbell, Diana Ross, Roberta Flack are many others could be here.

The question this time is what order do all of these acts make it. My choices of who I want to make it are as follows:

1. The White Stripes (my favorite modern rock act)
2. Cyndi Lauper
3. Billy Idol( as a MTV generation guy, I like both Idol and Cyndi)
4. Oasis( They have some good songs and are one of the biggest rock acts of their time)
5. Chubby Checker( Should have been in a long time ago)
6. Joe Cocker(also should have been inducted a long time ago)
7. The rest I am about even on

Who I think will be inducted:
1. Outkast
2. Mariah Carey
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. Chubby Checker
5. Joy Division/ New Order
6. Soundgarden
7. Joe Cocker
8. The White Stripes (hopefully)

I can never tell about the other categories as their are many deserving people. I would like to see Carol Wray, Glen Campbell, Nicky Hopkins and Devo get in here.

hanks for reading.

Posted by Kenneth on Thursday, 02/20/2025 @ 10:00am

Kenneth,

I think that they will put Chubby Checker in vis Musical Influence, rather than as a main Performer. I see Bad Company and Billy Idol being more likely than Chubby.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/20/2025 @ 10:03am

I feel like the Rock Hall will find a way to put Oasis and Soundgarden both in

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/20/2025 @ 13:08pm

Alec T,

I think that Chubby Checker will get in via Musical Influence, rather than as a main Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/20/2025 @ 13:18pm

richie,

Stop saying that damn statement after every comment that mentions Chubby Checker. You are the one killing conversation on this board with your stubborn rhetoric

That being said, I don't see those 2 being the noms given trends, which is how I predict inductees. The 70s and 80s rock acts have the inside track, I feel. We will see what happens.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/20/2025 @ 14:22pm

K-Dawg,

I just feel that Chubby's time to get in as a main Performer has long passed and I think that 50's/early 60's era is long done for in the Performers category at this point, so I see him getting shoehorned into a side category like Musical Influence at this point, rather than as a main Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/20/2025 @ 14:30pm

Just wondering, who among the nominees is dead? (Besides Chris Cornell and Ian Curtis)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/20/2025 @ 14:34pm

Follower

Of Bad Company Boz Burnell

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/20/2025 @ 15:20pm

Follower,

and of course, Joe Cocker.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/20/2025 @ 15:22pm

How big of a deal do you think the switch to electric voting is and how much of it is it going to get more people to vote?

Posted by Alec T on Thursday, 02/20/2025 @ 20:08pm

Billy Idol
The Black Crowes
The White Stripes
Bad Company
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Phish
EXCELLENCE
Joe Cocker
Chubby Checker

INFLUENCE
Big Maybelle
The Sugarhill Gang

Posted by Cardgage on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 01:49am

Someone's probably going to hack the results.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 03:40am

Look, Chubby's getting in. Period. And yes he will get in as a performer. I won't any longer engage in arguments that he won't be. Just agree to disagree and move on. Stop all the cluttering at least.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 08:17am

Timothy Pernell,

but no, I disagree with you, I think that Chubby is getting in via Musical Influence, rather than as a main Performer. Period.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 08:30am

Just feel the white stripes will fail again

Fan votes and public ballot performance are all bad

It seems that classic rock voters (like Howard Stern) do not treat white stripes as rock acts at all...

Posted by omar on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 09:16am

I Believe chubby checker will be in the main part of the rock and roll Hall of fame inductees I hate it when someone keeps spamming and saying he is going to be musical influence they need to stop on that now it's getting annoying

Posted by Joshua Hamilton on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 09:26am

Joshua Hamilton,

No, He won't be in the main Performer category of the Rock Hall this year, He will get in via Musical Influence this year, rather than as a main Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 09:37am

okay, i'm not in the know about everything relating to this year's nominees, and i know that the rock hall doesn't usually look at streaming numbers or album sales, but i'm genuinely so curious to know how Phish got nominated with only 400K monthly listeners and 8 million albums sold IN TOTAL. have they done anything influential that actually qualifies them to get a place on the ballot or did they just suck off the nominee committee? i'd like to know what actually makes them worthy of being first in the fan vote by over 40k votes.

Posted by mattdpn on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 09:52am

Dang The White Stripes don't seem to be generating much noise for this.

What they need to do is start stacking the voting body with more young people as we get deeper into the 2000s eligibility, otherwise they'll never get out of putting in C-tier, bottom of the barrel boomer rock. The Oscars have already done it, just as Rolling Stone Magazine. Adapt or die. Or go back to limiting induction to five per year to restore some prestige.

Hoping enough people saw Jack at SNL 50.

Posted by ChrisD on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 11:14am

ChrisD,

I will argue that Chubby Checker is one of the few remaining 50s acts who HAS been mentioned over the years. Joe Cocker, despite his biggest hits being Beatles remakes, was at Woodstock and does hold a certain flair. And Bad Company is probably the biggest name of the 70s acts remaining in rock who hadn't even been nommed. This is a cleanup ballot in a lot of ways.

Likewise, a couple years ago when they kept Cyndi and JD/NO out breaking certain lineages, this is an opportunity to get that out of the way. The 80s is almost done for all the big influential names, and JD/NO is the last of the emergence of new wave bands still on the outside.

I see this as them trying to scoop up the last remnants and trying to clean up. They miss acts, as they always do, but it does seem they are trying to patch glaring holes, and I do commend them for that at least.

Outkast should and will get in, and I think the Stripes are this year's beneficiary of token "newer acts" to get in. We shall see how this transpires, it will be interesting above all.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 11:28am

RIP Jerry Butler

Posted by will m on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 12:06pm

Howard Stern ballot have been revealed yet?

Also lol arguing with Richie?

Might as well arguing with a baby

Posted by Alec T on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 13:24pm

Alec T,

Yes, both Howard Stern and Baba Booey's ballots have been revealed and they are both very similar:

Howard: Bad Company, The Black Crowes, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, Oasis, OutKast and Soundgarden.

Baba Booey: Bad Company, The Black Crowes, Joe Cocker, Billy Idol, Cyndi Lauper, Oasis and Soundgarden.

So their ballots are pretty much the same except Howard Stern picked OutKast and Baba Booey picked Billy Idol. but Howard and Baba Booey both picked Bad Company, The Black Crowes, Joe Cocker, Cyndi Lauper, Oasis and Soundgarden.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 13:40pm

Well I prefer Howard's ballot

Though I don't remember Howard voting for Oasis last cycle

Posted by Alec T on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 13:45pm

Alec T,

Howard didn't vote for Oasis last time. He voted for Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Peter Frampton, Jane's Addiction, Kool & The Gang, Lenny Kravitz and Ozzy Osbourne last time.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 13:55pm

Did Baba Booey vote for Oasis last cycle?

Posted by Alec T on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 14:06pm

Alec T,

I don't know what Baba Booey voted for last time.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 14:11pm

What I think the 2025 class will look like

Performers
Bad Company
Billy Idol
Chubby Checker
Cyndi Lauper
Joy Division/New Order
Oasis
OutKast
Soundgarden

Musical Excellence
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Kris Kristofferson
Carol Kaye

Early Influence
John Coltrane
Ravi Shanker
Dick Dale

Ahmet Ertegun Award
Ed Sullivan
Sylvia Rhode

Posted by Alec T on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 16:04pm

I think Mariah Carey is in

But if she actually fails again, I will not be surprised

Remember last year almost everyone thought she was done deal and 100% in

But I think she will be in and one of Cyndi, outkast, Bad Company, Chhbby, Cocker, Idol will surprisingly fail.

Posted by omar on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 17:30pm

Omar,

I think that the one that will surprisingly fail this year is Chubby Checker and here are the reasons why:

1. I think the 50's/early 60's era is long done for at this point in the Performers category and is a sunken ship for the HOF in the Performers category at this point except for in the side categories.

2. I see Chubby as a candidate for a side category induction either this year or soon (most likely via Musical Influence).

3. John Sykes has said that the Rock Hall wants to focus more on 70's (Bad Company, Joe Cocker), 80's (Billy Idol, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper), 90's (Mariah Carey, Oasis, OutKast, Soundgarden) and 2000's (The White Stripes) acts to get in at this point and Chubby is a 50's/early 60's act, so I see them shoehorning him into a side category (most likely via Musical Influence) like other 50's/early 60's acts at this point, rather than as a main Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 17:39pm

The crowes? Why??

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 17:55pm

Alec

It's Ravi Shankar

If Dick Dale gets in they'd better include the Del Tones, maybe AME instead of Influence

Also, I haven't seen Excellence and Influence get more than 2 inductees.

Posted by Cardgage on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 19:26pm

Joy Division/New Order and Joe Cocker are my spoliers

Also when Link Wray got inducted they didn't induct the Wraymaen or when John Mayall got inducted they didn't induce the Blue Breakers

Posted by Alec T on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 19:48pm

Alec T,

I think the 2025 inductees will be:

Performers:
Bad Company
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Joe Cocker
Joy Division/New Order
Oasis
OutKast
Soundgarden

Musical Excellence:
Iron Maiden
New York Dolls
Kris Kristofferson
Carol Kaye

Musical Influence:
Chubby Checker
John Coltrane
Dick Dale

Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Ed Sullivan

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 19:55pm

Alan Light's comments on Bad Co and Cocker as "closing the generation/chapter" seems significant, and this ballot kind of shows where they are going. Surprising since even FRL snipped the clip but didn't mention it directly.

Namely, these two are some of the last 60s/early to mid 70s stragglers they are seriously considering. They have a few more to fill over time they'll get to, but they have neglected the late 70s onward hard because boomer voters kept voting in these picks at the expense of later acts. The MTV Generation, alternative, and 90s are very underrepresented and have struggled to get in because boomers want 60s/70s boomer rock only. They have to force it to a head when we can't get the acts like Lauper or Soundgarden in, the backlog going now 20+ years is insane and is only growing. To focus on stopping the gap, from now on they will limit to 2-3 60s/70s classic rock nominees, with R&B always being one of those spots.

The change to email votes and adding voters is probably an experiment to see if they can shake enough of the boomers out to shift the tide towards the newer acts. If this doesn't work and all of Bad Co, Cocker, and Checker get in (with an added bonus if Crowes are the 90s pick) they might just decide to gerrymander and have none of this era's artists nominated in some years. I wouldn't be surprised to see a ballot where Joy Division or B-52s are the oldest act on the ballot if they can't shake how early 70s acts become autolocks to get in

Posted by GuestG on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 21:04pm

GuestG,

Who do you think will be the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 21:09pm

With Jerry Butler dead, The Impressions joins the "One Member left" club. 1991 now has 4 members alive. Same as 1999.

So far Jerry Butler, Tommy Hunt, Garth Hudson, Sam Moore, Quincy Jones, and Phil Lesh have died since the ceremony.

Living members of classes where a majority or half of the inductees are dead:

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 12/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 4/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Richard A. Brooks, and Fred Cash)
1992: 10/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Chris Jasper, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 10/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 11/25 (Al Green, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 18/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 13/26 (James Burton, Everyone from Aerosmith, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brian May, Roger Taylor from Queen, Donald Fagan, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2012: 26/70 (Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Everyone from Guns 'N' Roses, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members of each class where a majority or half of the inductees are alive:

1993: 14/28 (Ginger Baker, Jack Bruce, Tom Fogerty, Ray Manzarek, Jim Morrison, Etta James, Sherman Garnes, Frankie Lymon, Joe Negroni, Ruth Brown, Cynthia Robinson, Dick Clark, Milt Gabler, and Dinah Washington)
1998: 17/30 (Glenn Frey, Randy Meisner, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Christine McVie, Gene Vincint, Lloyd Price, Denny Doherty, Mama Cass Elliot, John Phillips, David Brown, Allan Toussaint, and Jelly Roll Morton) The most alive 20th Century class.
2001: 13/26 (Johnnie Johnson, Jake Carey, Zeke Carey, Johnny Carter, Tommy Hunt, Sollie McElroy, Nate Nelson, Paul Wilson, Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Richie Valens, Solomon Burke, and Walter Becker)
2002: 10/20 (Chet Atkins, Gene Pitney, Issac Hayes, Joey Ramone, Johnny Ramone, Dee Dee Ramone, Tommy Ramone, Howie Epstein, Tom Petty, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 16/24 (Benny Benjamin, Floyd Cramer, Steve Douglas, Bon Scott, Malcom Young, Joe Strummer, Bobby Hatfield, and Mo Ostin)
2004: 9/18 (Chuck Barksdale, Johnny Carter, Johnny Funches, Marvin Junior, George Harrison, Prince, Jim Capaldi, Chris Wood, and Dusty Hill)
2005: 11/17 (William Powell, Percy Sledge, Pete Farndon, James Honeyman-Scott, Frank Barsalona, and Seymour Stein.)
2006: 17/28 (Miles Davis, Sid Vicious, everyone from Lynyrd Skynyrd other than Artimus Pyle, and Jerry Moss)
2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2009: 14/21 (Bill Black, DJ Fontana, Bobby Womack, Jeff Beck, Tracy Lord, Cliff Burton, and Jason "Jam-Master Jay" Mizell)
2010: 21/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Cynthia Weil, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 14/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, Neil Peart, and Quincy Jones)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 21/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, Eazy-E, and Bert Berns)
2017: 24/28 (Tupac Shakur, Richard Tandy, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 16/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Denny Lane, Mike Pinder, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 14/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Tina Turner, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton, and Clarence Avant)
2022: 24/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, Harry Belafonte, and Elizabeth Cotten)
2023: 13/21 (George Michael, Everyone from the Spinners other than John Edwards, Don Cornelius, and Link Wray.)
2024: 23/44 (Phife Dawg, Leroi More, Ed Gagliardi, Ian McDonald, Ronald Bell, George Brown, Robert "Spike" Mickens, Claydes "Charles" Smith, Dennis "Dee Tee" Thomas, Ricky Westfield, Jimmy Buffet, everyone from MC5, Norman Whitfield, Alexis Korner, John Mayall, and Big Mama Thorton)

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 21:20pm

Mat R, Greg F, Omar, GuestG, Raichu, Michael W., K-Dawg, Will M, Alec T and others,

Which acts do you think would have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2025 next year for 2026?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 21:46pm

Alec,

The Wraymen and Bluesbreakers should've been included themselves. I don't like the Hall's long history of neglecting backing groups. They also need the rest of the Steve Miller Band, the rest of the Jeff Beck Group, and the Silver Bullet Band. The first: Monterey and San Francisco sound, second: would be third time for Rod Stewart.

Posted by Cardgage on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 23:00pm

Either Richard A. Brooks died without me noticing or I copy and pasted a version that still listed him as living. Here's the living class of 91 now:

1991: 3/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, and Fred Cash)

Two Byrds and one Impression. This is now the 3rd deadest class, and the deadest 90's class.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/21/2025 @ 23:39pm

For the person up there confused as to how Phish got nominated and what makes them worthy of such a huge lead in the fan vote. Well, that fan vote speaks a lot about what makes them worthy. Without any significant radio play, without particularly impressive album sales, without typical hype or major promotion, with kind of goofy lyrics mixed with very Prog-rock song compositions; Phish became a band that can sell out multi-day runs at huge theaters. Are there any other Rock bands out there who are not already in the Hall Of Fame that can sell out a Thirteen Night run at Madison Square Gardens? And if there are, can any of them pull off the feat of playing all thirteen of those shows without repeating a song? Phish didn't build a fan base, they built a community.

People often like to compare Phish to the Grateful Dead, which is understandable, because there is no doubt that Phish built a lot of their business plan around what worked for the Grateful Dead - multi-day runs to make it worthwhile for fans to travel, never repeating setlists so every show is unique, allowing open taping of their concerts so copies are widely distributed adding to the grass roots growth of the fanbase. However, musically, except for the fact that both bands integrate a lot of improvisation, Phish sounds nothing like the Grateful Dead; their music is much more similar to Frank Zappa meets Rush. The Grateful Dead *might* have sounded a bit like Phish if every one of the band members had been like Phil Lesh (Dead's bass player who was deeply schooled in music theory and experimental music). All four members of Phish are formally trained in college music programs in music theory and composition.

Phish built the second generation jamband scene from the ground up. Dave MAtthews Band, who just got inducted, basically started out touring the circuit Phish had trailblazed. Phish's big 90s self run Festivals were the impetus of modern American festival culture. These are among the reasons that towards the end of the decade, Rolling Stone declared Phish to have been the most important band of the 90s. The played the largest concert in the world for Y2K, a two day festival (with Phish being the only band) that climaxed with Phish performing an 8 hour long set from 11:35PM until a bit after dawn for the turn of the Millenium. *That* is the kind of stuff that built them a fan base that is swarming the fan vote every day.

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 02:05am

For the person up there confused as to how Phish got nominated and what makes them worthy of such a huge lead in the fan vote. Well, that fan vote speaks a lot about what makes them worthy. Without any significant radio play, without particularly impressive album sales, without typical hype or major promotion, with kind of goofy lyrics mixed with very Prog-rock song compositions; Phish became a band that can sell out multi-day runs at huge theaters. Are there any other Rock bands out there who are not already in the Hall Of Fame that can sell out a Thirteen Night run at Madison Square Gardens? And if there are, can any of them pull off the feat of playing all thirteen of those shows without repeating a song? Phish didn't build a fan base, they built a community.

People often like to compare Phish to the Grateful Dead, which is understandable, because there is no doubt that Phish built a lot of their business plan around what worked for the Grateful Dead - multi-day runs to make it worthwhile for fans to travel, never repeating setlists so every show is unique, allowing open taping of their concerts so copies are widely distributed adding to the grass roots growth of the fanbase. However, musically, except for the fact that both bands integrate a lot of improvisation, Phish sounds nothing like the Grateful Dead; their music is much more similar to Frank Zappa meets Rush. The Grateful Dead *might* have sounded a bit like Phish if every one of the band members had been like Phil Lesh (Dead's bass player who was deeply schooled in music theory and experimental music). All four members of Phish are formally trained in college music programs in music theory and composition.

Phish built the second generation jamband scene from the ground up. Dave MAtthews Band, who just got inducted, basically started out touring the circuit Phish had trailblazed. Phish's big 90s self run Festivals were the impetus of modern American festival culture. These are among the reasons that towards the end of the decade, Rolling Stone declared Phish to have been the most important band of the 90s. The played the largest concert in the world for Y2K, a two day festival (with Phish being the only band) that climaxed with Phish performing an 8 hour long set from 11:35PM until a bit after dawn for the turn of the Millenium. *That* is the kind of stuff that built them a fan base that is swarming the fan vote every day.

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 02:05am

Phish also has a following because of their Sirius XM channel. This cannot be understated, as DMB probably got a huge boost because of their own channel in previous cycles. Make no mistake, people go with name recognition whenever they can...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 02:41am

I also wanted to note that, from VH1's 2010 list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time, Mariah Carey, Coldplay, and OutKast are the only eligible acts remaining.

Recently, there has been a noticeable trend where artists who ranked on that list are getting nominated or inducted. Last year, it was Mary J. Blige; before that, Rage Against the Machine and George Michael.

The same people in the industry who voted for that ballot largely make up the voting body now. Additionally, voters for Rolling Stone's lists seem to align closely with the Rock Hall.

So, I'll be very surprised if Mariah and OutKast don't both get in, especially with the lanes cleared for them. If, somehow, they don't, it will indicate that the Hall is shifting toward a more rock-purist stance and moving away from its original roots. I've also noticed a decline in the number of R&B, soul, and jazz inductees over the years, even though those genres made up the majority of the early inductees.

Posted by Ralib on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 02:47am

Shrek I understand that they managed to build a fanbase from the ground up but is their music actually influential enough for them to get in?

Posted by Ralib on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 02:51am

Follower,

https://memorials.johnpfranklinfh.com/richard-brookssr/5323941/

apparantly Richard Brooks passed away in November 2023, which is weird cause I dont recall hearing it in music publications (unlike other obscure musicians like Charlie Thomas and Dickie Harrel when they passed). And I definitely never saw the rock hall post on his death

Posted by will m on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 09:24am

Ralib,

I'd say yes. Phish are effecitvely the Jam Band black flag. Everything that exists in their movements (hardcore and jam bands) has to thank them because their trailblazing and lucricus hard work created a space where that music could thrive and helped uplift other groups along the way. (I guess that makes the dead/Allmans/Little Feat the Ramones and Clash in this scenario)

Posted by will m on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 09:27am

Bringing up Chubby Checker is like running the cup across the tiger cage for richie.

He can't help but react.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 11:19am

K-Dawg,

I honestly think that Chubby's nomination is a wasted one and that he should have put straight in via a side category like Musical Influence, I think that the 50's/early 60's era is long done for in the Performers category at this point and is a sunken ship for the HOF in the Performers category at this point.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 11:25am

richie

He will be in

Black voters will vote for him

Can not find a reason he will fail as performer

Posted by Matr on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 12:04pm

no

most black voters will vote for Chubby as well, he is not unknown to black voters

Also, black voters are more likely to vote chubby than Mariah as Mariah's music may be seen too white for many black people.

Posted by Matr on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 12:11pm

Man

Richie just repeats himself again and again here

And then constantly send me his repetitive personal messgae on bluesky, it is too annoying.

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 12:14pm

Omar,

I think that you should unblock me on Bluesky, I promise that I'll be good to you from now on and I won't send you any repetitive personal messages from now on, So Could you please unblock me and follow me again on Bluesky?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 12:25pm

The problem with The White Stripes are

Jack White has many industry enemies I believe

Also they just have pure critic support not much in the industry

So I don't get why they would have a better chance of getting in than Soundgarden or Oasis

Posted by Alec T on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 14:13pm

alec t

If classic rock voters want to vote a modern rock act, they are more likely to vote for Oasis, Soundgarden (and even Black Crowes) than White Stripes. We have seen this with Howard Stern and Eddie Truck will not vote for WS either (He voted Nelson over WS in 23)

I think they will fail and be voted in next time. Do not see a path of WS over Soundgarden and Oasis.

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 14:42pm

GuestG,

OMG I didn't know that! So does he mean that the Hall will likely close the door on late 60s/70s rockers if Cocker and BC get in??? Hmm…

But yeah I think the Hall is trying to get the boomer rock/rock and roll acts out of the way so more "MTV Generation" and alternative acts get a chance at it.

Right now, the "MTV Generation" nominees here are:
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Mariah (MTV-ish, I think she was always more of a VH1 attraction especially in her early years but she was heavily profiled on MTV too)
Outkast
White Stripes
Soundgarden

So if voters think in those terms they'll make cuts here just for the "Boomer" acts getting a clearer way in.

I predict about 3/4 of the "MTV" acts to get in this year and the rest will likely be a mixture of Boomers and "other" (either Phish, Black Crowes or JD/NO and Phish definitely has more of a shot).

We got over a month and a half to go before things get a bit clearer.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 15:03pm

Alec T,

That actually reminds me of what happened with Janet Jackson. Many thought she'd be a shoo-in because critics loved a lot of her work (least up until All for You) but then she got passed aside twice before getting in the third time, which marked the first time in years the Hall went with 7 inductees instead of 5/6 (which was briefly reverted back the following year before they decided to change the rules to induct more artists). So WS will likely have to wait, which sucks because their music is slamming!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 15:08pm

What about Thin Lizzy and Warren Zevon?

I have to think they will at least get one more try

Posted by Alec T on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 15:08pm

Alec T,

No idea. I hope the door doesn't officially close because that leaves them out (especially Zevon) but something tells me Zevon at least will be backdoored in. I hope I'm wrong and Alan is just bluffing.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 15:11pm

Timothy Pernell, Alec T

I tend to think Alan is just expressing his own feeling

He said boomer rock was done long ago and then FOREIGNER and Peter suddenly nominated and inducted.

Also, I thought he said Phish had no chance to be nominated in around 2020

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 15:14pm

Then again

Alan is just one person

I believe he was against the Foreigner nomination

Posted by Alec on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 15:17pm

I will not be surprised if we will see a Monkees nomination next year

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 15:21pm

Alan Light said it's not or never for Oasis getting nominated

Though even if Oasis somehow doesn't get in this time around good odds they will get nominated for a 3rd and final next time around in 2026 as they will be fresh off the reunion tour (It ends in November or December I believe)

Posted by Alec T on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 15:25pm

Omar

Would also put good odds on Cliff Richard being nominated and if we see Dick Dale get put in thorough a side category them I would put good odds on a surprising Jan & Dean nomination

Posted by Alec T on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 15:29pm

Regardless if the comments are just his opinion, this class with only three acts of that era showed there is a pretty clear need for change and to get a move on. Boomers have been getting all their 3rd rate acts from their generation in at the expense at every later one.

They won't stop 60s/70s but the backlog has become bad that they need to go years without them, last year might have been because of 2023's poor sales but the Disney broadcast would want younger too. Outkast was to many people first year potential and now they are a 6 year backlog. Soundgarden is a 13 year backlog. Joy Division is a 20 year backlog. Mariah might never make it in. Metal is basically never making it in. They are alienating anyone under the age of 60 by preventing these acts getting in that they only barely started to get the post-Sex Pistols eras in. There's a youth issue they need to fix.

Posted by GuestG on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 17:56pm

My predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again) are:

Bad Company
Mariah Carey
Joe Cocker
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Oasis
OutKast
Soundgarden

Spoilers: The White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order

Chubby Checker gets in via Musical Influence.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 18:19pm

GuestG

Why Mariah would never get in

She will prob get in this year, no one in her line. Her chance should be way more better than last year (although I would not be surprised if she fails again, but I think nom com obviously clears the line to make her in)

Alec T

Yes, acts you mentioned are all likely now. Could see a Cliff Richard nomination.

Thin Lizzy was probably only pushed by Tom Morello and he may be incompetent to make Lizzy appear on the ballot again. Lizzy are very deserving but actually this band may be only a "pet project" of morello other than a consensus pick

I think Billy Joel pushes Joe Cocker this year actually, Zevon will return in 26 I think

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 20:24pm

I just think Bad Company and Cocker will both get in

Because if voter vote for bad company, he is very very likely to vote Joe Cocker as well

So I assume these two will get similar number of votes

If one miss, both are likely to miss (I do not see it), if one in, the other is likely in as well

Posted by omar on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 20:43pm

There's one more Classic Rock act that is on the previously considered list (much like Bad Company and Joe Cocker were before they got nominated this year) but hasn't gotten nominated yet and that is Jethro Tull, I think that they will be the last Classic Rock act to get nominated/inducted along with Warren Zevon (previously nominated in 2023) next year for 2026 once Bad Company and Joe Cocker get in this year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 21:31pm

Boston and Styx good odds they are next on board after Bad Company

At least to my knowledge I recently found out that Tom Morello is close with Dennis DeYoung

Posted by Alec T on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 22:08pm

There's bands out there. The Guess Who keep popping up also.

Bad Company is a worthy band, but it sets up Paul Rodgers, who could be the biggest 70s name not yet in the RRHOF. If things follow last year...

Bad Company = Foreigner
Joe Cocker = Ozzy Osbourne
Billy Idol = Peter Frampton

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 23:53pm

K-Dawg,

Who do you think will be the 2025 inductees (If Chubby Checker gets in via a side category and If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/22/2025 @ 23:57pm

Based on the pattern of the last two classes, I think the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again) will be:

OutKast - The Missy Elliott/A Tribe Called Quest of 2025.
Cyndi Lauper - The Cher of 2025.
Soundgarden - The Rage Against The Machine/Ozzy Osbourne of 2025.
Oasis - The Dave Matthews Band of 2025.
Joe Cocker - The Peter Frampton of 2025.
Bad Company - The Foreigner of 2025.
Mariah Carey - The Mary J. Blige of 2025.
Billy Idol - The George Michael of 2025.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 00:33am

Rolling Stone made a list of 20 artists eligible next for the RRHOF after the 2014 induction. Since then, 13 of them have been considered, with 10 having been inducted.

Green Day – Inducted in 2015
Dr. Dre (with N.W.A) - Inducted in 2016
2Pac – Inducted in 2017
Pearl Jam – Inducted in 2017
Radiohead – Inducted in 2019
The Notorious B.I.G. – Inducted in 2020
Rage Against the Machine – Inducted in 2023
Sheryl Crow – Inducted in 2023
Dave Matthews Band – Inducted in 2024
Mary J. Blige – Inducted in 2024

Beck - Nominated in 2022
Oasis - Nominated in 2024, 2025
Mariah Carey - Nominated in 2024, 2025

NOT CONSIDERED YET

Weezer
Blur
Hole
Jeff Buckley
Smashing Pumpkins
Wu Tang Clan

Look out for these next year for nominees.

Posted by Ralib on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 01:47am

PERFORMERS
The Black Crowes
Phish
The White Stripes
Bad Company
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Oasis

EXCELLENCE
Joe Cocker
Chubby Checker

INFLUENCE
Big Maybelle
The Sugarhill Gang

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Cardgage on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 02:09am

PERFORMERS
The Black Crowes
Phish
The White Stripes
Bad Company
Soundgarden
Joy Division/New Order
Billy Idol

EXCELLENCE
Joe Cocker
Chubby Checker

INFLUENCE
Big Maybelle
The Sugarhill Gang

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Cardgage on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 02:18am

This will be another free-for-all.

OutKast is a only lock for induction while the rest is crapshoot. Just wishing the Hall doesn't continue going back to 50's - 70's just because of nostalgia & demographics.

Overall the list so far is although not bad like last year, it does look more rock oriented which the Hall isn't always known for.

Posted by JE on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 10:26am

JE

I would see Cyndi Lauper, Bad Company are almost 100%

Posted by omar on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 10:29am

Alec T,

That sounds like a Steven Van Zandt / Percy Sledge situation if Styx does get a nod…

But that's not to say they don't deserve entry: for their era they were pretty damn successful but for my cards if Bad Company passes the finishing line, Boston should get nominated before Styx does (though Styx technically came before they back in 1973 and their first big hit was in 1975 - I think).

Omar,

It just could be the case of Mariah facing certain adversities that her late peer, collaborator and friend Whitney Houston DIDN'T get.

Mariah was almost a supposedly surefire bet last time and MJB and Cher got in.

It looks like the Hall is going the 2020 route where at least one woman gets a shot and two urban-adjacent acts are nominated alongside her (though Checker for all intents and purposes was considered a rock and roller). Not saying that's why but the only reason *I* am a bit bullish about her chances is because in 2020, when Whitney and Pat Benatar was nominated I thought they both would get in so a curveball happened when Whitney got in but Pat didn't.

You can kinda credit Tom "Rage For the Machine" Morello for this year's list…

There's still a 75-80% possibility Mariah gets in with Cyndi but there's also as much for her not to and for Outkast and Chubby to take away her black voter bloc. So that might get in the way.

It's happened before.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 10:44am

Ralib,

The list you shared is exactly why the 90's are taking over the whole induction process & should be so (along with the 80's obviously.)

There's way too many artists from the earlier decades I mentioned that got inducted. Nothing major, nothing new. Time to move on.

Posted by JE on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 11:01am

Omar,

I would like to be optimistic as you, although I'm not quite there yet.

Posted by JE on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 11:49am

JE

At least Cyndi is lock

In public ballot tracker, Cyndi almost gets all the votes

Think she is biggest lock this year

Posted by omar on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 12:56pm

Should note, that just because the heavy focus will be on 80s/90s in the future doesn't mean 60s/70s is entirely done, the way 50s gets some surprise nominations sometimes. They always will have someone nominate one of this era's acts. It's just that they got through most 60s/70s act and the backlog for 80s/90s is reaching a breaking point that they have to force the issue by limiting to 1 nomination for each decade going forward, if any at all if it's becoming still autolocks for these artists

Consider a list of who some consider remaining snubs from these eras:

60s: King Crimson, Monkees, Big Brother & the Holding Company, Captain Beefheart, The Guess Who

70s: Zevon, Boston, Styx, Blue Oyster Cult, Jethro Tull

If they nominate them the reduced way they do now with one nominated each decade each year this entire list could be out of the way in half a decade. The amount of remaining snubs is very small compared to any era past Joy Division where artists have to get a side category force-in because the backlog is so bad. They got through almost all who actually have a good case to be in the hall through already, while later eras have barely started and are being very negatively affected.

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 14:23pm

Don't forget funk, r and b, and folk artists. Almost none of the latter in

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 14:28pm

GuestG,

Don't forget Thin Lizzy, They're a 70's snub as well.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 14:42pm

I dont be surprised if Paul Anka and Neil Sedaka will be included soon

Chubby checker nomination makes me think these two could be brought up and appear on the list in any year

They are also pop icons

There are still about 10-20 50s/60s could be inducted...Not all A tier acts, but achieve borderline level of rock hall inductees

Posted by omar on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 14:50pm

My Personal Top Picks from this ballot (and who Ive been alternating voting for on the fan ballot) include:

Cyndi Lauper
Bad Company
Chubby Checker
Billy Idol
The Black Crowes
Mariah Carey
Joe Cocker
Joy Division/New Order

If 9, then Oasis


Who I think will get voted in:

Cyndi Lauper 95%
Bad Company 85-90%
Outkast 75-80%
Soundgarden 65-70%
the rest that I am much less sure about:
Chubby Checker 60-65%
Mariah Carey 55-60%
Billy Idol 50-55%
Joy Division/New Order 40-50%

If 9, Joe Cocker 40-45%

Likeliest Possible Spoilers: Oasis, The Black Crowes, The White Stripes but really every nominee has at least a small chance of induction.

I agree with omar that Cyndi Lauper has the best chance of induction this year and is my personal favorite from this group. She missed getting in on her first nomination but I do not believe that will happen again.

I think the 90s acts might end up splitting the votes and some like Oasis, The Black Crowes, and The White Stripes might have a harder time getting in. I also think that some of the 70s and 80s acts such as Billy Idol and Joe Cocker might split their votes too.


Some Possible near future MI and ME Inductions and/or Nominations:

New York Dolls
Iron Maiden
Cliff Richard and the Shadows
Carol Kaye
Jan and Dean
Dick Dale & His Del-Tones
Kenny Rogers
Kris Kristofferson


Some Possible Non-Performer Inductions:
Ed Sullivan
Jim Steinman
Wolfman Jack

Posted by Jennifer on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 14:52pm

Obviously I didn't include every single artist who'd be a possibility, we could technically go on for infinity. That's more the point that we're winding down here and the backlog is way less compared to 80s/90s since they've had the benefit of their artists getting in every year.

Also R&B/Funk has always been a different lane to me than what I compare to. Folk is weird because someone like Nick Drake is on no one's radar ever it seems, so I don't know what to make of it.

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 14:59pm

One more guess as to who gets in:

Bad Company: Appeals to the AOR crowd, which comprises a lot. (2016 through 2018 inducted 16 performers, and 11 were classic rock station staples.) I wouldn't say they're a lock but they should get in.

The Black Crowes: For southern rock fans, they are a given. For most of the rest of rock fans, seen (unfairly) as a one-hit wonder. Probably not this year.

Mariah Carey: Arguably this years biggest "name." That, and being one of only four females on the list, might put her over the top. Or it might not. I think a better-than 50-50 chance.

Chubby Checker: Rather than wondering whether he will get in, more people are wondering how he hasn't been inducted before. If he isn't inducted as a performer--as he deserves, perhaps more than any other here) may have to get in via Musical Excellence (or a similar category the Hall invents), but should get in.

Joe Cocker: I would say the second most deserving nominee, after Chubby Checker. Arguably one of three major acts at Woodstock not yet inducted (the others being Sha Na Na and Blood, Sweat and Tears). I would guess he will get in, but could be another Warren Zevon. Still, will probably get in--and bring Zevon in next year.

Billy Idol: Popular when new and considered wild, popular now as he's aged. One of the most visible "faces" of the New Wave/Punk Rock/MTV movement. Will probably get in.

Joy Division + New Order: Another that was a surprise when they did not make it the first time they were nominated. I would say they have a better than 50-50 chance this year; having one of only four women in the nominee class can't hurt.

Cyndi Lauper: I don't know if she is the lock many are saying she is--they said that two years ago as well--but I certainly wouldn't bet against her. Probably will be inducted.

Mana: Most casual fans of the R&R HoF have never heard of them, and I suspect the same of most of the voters. Almost certainly not. (Then again, I said the same of Nina Simone in 2018.)

Oasis: A group people either seem to love or hate. Though the same could easily be said of Rush, I would guess that this will not be the year for them. Probably not.

Outkast: Considered by many, as the one rap act this year, to be a lock--maybe the only lock. Who am I to argue? Welcome to Cleveland.

Phish: Tradition is on their side, as they are the act dominating the Fan Poll. (Every year except one, the leader of the fan poll has been inducted--and the one year that didn't happen, the Dave Matthews Band was inducted four years later.) I think they certainly have a better chance than their peers of this era--the Black Crowes, Oasis, Soundgarden, the White Stripes--and have a better than 50-50 chance.

Soundgarden: Sentimentality may help them here, with the suicide of Chris Cornell (and that he inducted Heart twelve years ago), or it may not--since they won't be able to perform at the ceremony. A favorite of hard-rock fans, but is that enough to put them in? My guess is probably not.

The White Stripes: A sentimental favorite for me personally (as I am from Detroit), and another beneficiary of having one of only four women among the nominees, but like the Black Crowes unfairly seen as a one-hit wonder. Probably not.

My final SWAG (Scientific Wild-A**ed Guess):
Bad Company
Chubby Checker
Joe Cocker
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Outkast
Phish

If eight: Mariah Carey or Joy Division + New Order

Posted by Joe S. on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 15:03pm

But 80s pool is way deeper to than 60s and 70s now

A ton of new wave/alternative/punk/metal/hip hop...

Can easily name 30 A tier 80s snubs...

Posted by omar on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 15:03pm

Joe S. and Jennifer,

As much as I love Chubby Checker, I see him getting in via Musical Influence at this point, rather than as a main Performer.

Joe S.,

but I just don't see it for Phish this year, I think that they will miss out on induction this year despite winning the fan vote like DMB in 2020, so I see Oasis, Soundgarden and The White Stripes being way more likely to get in this year than Phish.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 15:17pm

Despite the reunion tour

People are still skeptical about Oasis getting in?

Posted by Alec T on Sunday, 02/23/2025 @ 16:54pm

THE 2025 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

WHEN VOTING FOR DEAD MEMBERS

Joe Cocker
Bad Company
Joy Division/New Order
Soundgarden
The Black Crowes