The 2022 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2022 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were announced at 8am EST on February 2nd. Inductees will be revealed in May, and will be honored at a ceremony in Los Angeles "later this year."


Nominee# of NomsGroup Members
Beck1st
Duran Duran1stSimon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, Andy Taylor, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Warren Cuccurullo
Eminem1st
Dolly Parton1st
Lionel Richie1st
Carly Simon1st
A Tribe Called Quest1stQ-Tip, Phife Dawg, Ali Shaheed Muhammad, Jarobi White
Pat Benatar2ndPat Benatar, Neil Giraldo
Eurythmics 2ndAnnie Lennox, Dave Stewart
Fela Kuti2nd
Dionne Warwick 2nd
Kate Bush3rd
Devo3rdBob Casale, Gerald Casale, Bob Mothersbaugh, Mark Mothersbaugh, Alan Myers
Judas Priest 3rdLes Binks, K.K. Downing, Rob Halford, Ian Hill, Dave Holland, Glenn Tipton, Scott Travis
New York Dolls3rdDavid Johansen, Arthur Kane, Billy Murcia, Jerry Nolan, Sylvain Sylvain, Johnny Thunders
Rage Against the Machine4thTim Commerford, Zack de la Rocha, Tom Morello, Brad Wilk
MC56thMichael Davis, Wayne Kramer, Fred “Sonic” Smith, Dennis Thompson, Rob Tyner



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Okay they really need to just change the name to the Music Hall of Fame and give up the rock and roll thing.

Posted by Brian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:09am


Damn this batch is looking good. Very surprised The Monkees and Meat Loaf didn't make it, tho I feel like The Monkees are gonna get in on the side. Everyone knew Eminem and Pat Benatar were gonna be on there. Interesting to see Dolly Parton on there, same with Lionel Richie and Carly Simion. This is gonna be good

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:13am


The biggest surprise for me is A Tribe Called Quest! One of my favorite Hip Hop artists of all time.

This ballot is very competitive, but here's my early prediction:

Judas Priest (I'm seeing a trend of "3rd times a charm" in recent years, and this is their 3rd nomination)
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:16am


Do they just have a dartboard with all these names and decide them that way? Why do some like Fela Kuti get a second crack immediately while others like Iron Maiden don't? Why is MC5 getting a sixth chance but bands like Boston have never made the ballot? Why did it take so long for Duran Duran to even make the ballot? Why is Eminem getting nominated and almost certainly inducted when he doesn't really fit in the rock banner? And how are massively influential bands like Motorhead not even nominated?

Posted by Brian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:18am


Dolly Parton was the surprise for me. I realize the pressure to include women (or acts led by a woman), but Willie Nelson arguably would have been a more logical choice, even if Parton is currently second (to Pat Benatar) in the fan poll. Otherwise, an interesting list: Six female-led acts, seven new inductees, and four each second- and third-time inductees. And apparently Judas Priest didn't do as badly in the prior votes as we were led to believe, or the R&R HoF wouldn't keep nominating them.

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:31am


Quite a list. I'm excited about it.
First thing I noticed was how almost everyone from last year's ballot repeated. Only Iron Maiden (switched with Judas Priest), Chaka Khan (Musical Excellence in waiting) and Mary J. Blige did not repeat. I'm assuming last year's ballot was very deliberate and is showing the top priorities for the nominating committee.
More to come later. Always excited to read everyone's impressions.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:39am


....and the nominees are...

A Tribe Called Quest - a rap act that I actually like, (Dr. Dre, OutKast, Snoop Dogg, Salt-N-Pepa skipped over??)
Beck - He's not a "Loser", but he's not getting in...
Carly Simon - only 26 years late!! I think she'll get in...
Devo - "Whip It" hugely influential, but not enough to get in, IMO
Dionne Warwick - The soft trend continues, but can't argue with her hits. Has a shot this year.
Dolly Parton - ...and here starts the country trend(opens door for Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, Kenny Rogers)
Duran Duran - 16 years late, MTV 80s movement, should get in
Eminem - A rapper/ huge pop first year eligible ...a shoe-in
Eurythmics - The 80s New Wave/Dance door is open, might be last in or just miss...
Fela Cuti - No disrespect, but if I don't know a single song, neither will 99% of fans(if they matter)
Judas Priest - If you think they don't deserve to be in, "You've Got Another Thing Coming", might sneak in this year
Kate Bush - If might take several years of "Running Up That Hill" for her...
Lionel Richie - If it was the Pop Music HOF, he would've been in 15 years ago, but can't ignore writing a #1 hit 8 years in a row(1978-1985), though. Will get in eventually
MC5 - Outside of "Kick Out The Jams", I don't know a single song
New York Dolls - Influential, but no pop hits, see Fela Cuti, MC5
Pat Benatar - Has to get in this time, doesn't she??
Rage Against The Machine - Best chance to get in is this year, My 2nd favorite band of the 90s, after Nirvana...

I only guessed 6 right.. but I like the surprises....

Posted by Paul Battaglia on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:44am


THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

OFFICIAL FAN VOTE LEADERBOARD - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

VOTE HERE - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/

AND HERE - https://futurerocklegends.com/2022_Nominees/

Dolly Parton
Dionne Warwick
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
New York Dolls
Judas Priest
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
A Tribe Called Quest
Rage Against The Machine
Eminem
Beck
Devo
MC5

Rock Hall of Fame: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Duran Duran Lead Nominees
Beck, Pat Benatar, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Devo, and Judas Priest are also on the ballot
[url]https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rock-hall-of-fame-eminem-dolly-parton-lionel-richie-duran-duran-1293580/[/url]

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Reveals 2022 Nominees
Several of the 17 names are first-time nominees, including a hip-hop heavyweight who scores a nom in his first year of eligibility.
[url]https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/rock-roll-hall-fame-2022-nominees-1235026206/[/url]

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:54am


THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

OFFICIAL FAN VOTE LEADERBOARD - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

VOTE HERE - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/

AND HERE - https://futurerocklegends.com/2022_Nominees/

Dolly Parton
Dionne Warwick
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
New York Dolls
Judas Priest
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
A Tribe Called Quest
Rage Against The Machine
Eminem
Beck
Devo
MC5

Rock Hall of Fame: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Duran Duran Lead Nominees
Beck, Pat Benatar, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Devo, and Judas Priest are also on the ballot
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rock-hall-of-fame-eminem-dolly-parton-lionel-richie-duran-duran-1293580/

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Reveals 2022 Nominees
Several of the 17 names are first-time nominees, including a hip-hop heavyweight who scores a nom in his first year of eligibility.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/rock-roll-hall-fame-2022-nominees-1235026206/

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:56am


This is a pretty good looking list. I'd have liked a couple more first-timers instead of some of the repeat nominees, but that's a minor detail. Super glad to see Beck and Duran Duran get their first nominations. I had predicted Beck every year before this year and finally gave up, so of course he gets the nom now. Love seeing Dolly and Tribe on the list, but I'd have rather had the Commodores get nominated than Lionel as a solo artist.

Disappointing omissions: The Monkees (if they didn't make it this year, they're never making it), The B-52's (would've rather seen them than Eurythmics), Salt-N-Pepa (I think they get in if nominated)

My super early guess at induction chances (assuming 6 performer inductees):

Eminem-99.9999...%
Dolly Parton-70%
Pat Benatar-60%
Duran Duran-55%
Carly Simon-50%
Judas Priest-40%
Lionel Richie-35%
Rage Against The Machine-35%
Beck-30%
Fela Kuti-25%
Dionne Warwick-20%
New York Dolls-20%
Kate Bush-15%
The MC5-15%
Devo-10%
Eurythmics-10%
A Tribe Called Quest-10%

I think this ballot will result in a few more female inductees, but it feels like it's going to be a pretty white class.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:00am


No Jan & Dean
No Monkees
No Jethro Tull
No King Crimson
No Kool & The Gang
No Commodores

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:01am


What a crop!

Only sure fire is Eminem.

Gonna need to process myself a little bit about this ballot.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:02am


What a crop!

Only sure fire is Eminem.

Gonna need to process myself a little bit about this ballot.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:10am


Duran Duran! Finally. Good year for them. Their new record is fantastic and has gotten a bit of buzz. Two things on them. First, great to see them finally nominated. Secondly, really happy they included Warren Cuccurullo. Definitely need the original five members, but Cuccurullo really helped keep them alive throughout the late 80's and 1990's.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:40am


I'm glad my Beck prediction came true, same with my Fela Kuti one. Besides them and the ones mostly everyone knew would get the nom again (Benetar, Priest, Eminem, Rage, Duran Duran), my predictions kinda bombed. Oh well, better luck next year.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:52am


Here's the current standings in the online fan vote:

17. Fela Kuti
16. MC5
15. A Tribe Called Quest
14. Kate Bush
13. Beck
12. New York Dolls
11. Dionne Warwick
10. Devo
9. Rage Against The Machine
8. Eminem
7. Lionel Richie
6. Judas Priest
5. Carly Simon
4. Eurythmics
3. Duran Duran
2. Dolly Parton
1. Pat Benatar

Now, Here's my prediction on who gets inducted this year:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Dionne Warwick

As much as I love Lionel Richie, I just don't think he's HOF worthy on his own, I feel that he should have been nominated with The Commodores instead of his solo career, Yes, he's beloved, but I feel that there are other Male Pop stars from that era that are more deserving of an induction than Lionel solo like Phil Collins and George Michael, so for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I think he'll get in with The Commodores eventually, but not for his solo career.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:04am


I have a feeling Nigeria is gonna boost Fela Kuti to the top like last year. Still don't know if that will help him get in, but it'll be fun to watch.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:14am


I ended up predicting 8 nominees correctly: Eminem, Duran Duran, Carly Simon, RATM, Judas Priest, Kate Bush, Pat Benatar, Fela Kuti. Better than I usually do, but I'm sure others got a lot more right.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:31am


I know that some people might find this difficult, but how can you leave THE MONKEES out???? After Michael Nesmith's passing, the crying and weeping from the rock public was pretty nauseating. He was a member of a band, that, although put together for a TV show, put out some damn good records, some of which we still are listening to today!!!!


MC 5? Judas Priest? New York Dolls???

All good bands, but they have no lasting impact on any music today....They are very limited in scope. THE MONKEES had a tremendous amount of play with help from some damned good writers and musicians.....

Please, public, consider.....There's only one left, and I think that Mickey deserves a hand at a future presentation!!!

Posted by Ron Knell on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:37am


Good list of names. Perfectly fine with Lionel's solo nomination, as I think he's worthy of being a 2-time inductee. Just hope that once he does get in, that they don't go on to forever ignore Commodores.

Think Devo will clash with Eurythmics and maybe Duran Duran a la the stacked metal nominee list from a few years back, but with DD probably pulling out ahead.

Pulling for Judas Priest. The hall's got a huge metal problem.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:53am


Carly Simon- Very successful. I'm unfamiliar with her work aside from You're So Vain. Would be an ok choice.

Lionel Richie- Legendary success. Not familiar with his work.

Devo- Back again, I see. Well, we can only wait and see. I love their work.

A Tribe Called Quest- Greatly successful. Pioneered a fusion of rap and jazz.

New York Dolls- Been awhile for them. The Hall has been looking for glam. So why not?

Eurythmics- It'd be a second chance for them. Since the Hall is becoming more open to post punk, maybe they have a better opportunity.

Pat Benatar- Back again. Try again to finish the 80s female hard rockers?

Dolly Parton- Never been nominated before, surprisingly. A legend in country.

Dionne Warwick- Very successful. Would be a good choice.

Kate Bush- Not familiar with her work aside from Running Up That Hill.

Fela Kuti- Not familiar with his work. Would be a nice induction.

Duran Duran- Helped popularize the new wave and synth sound for the masses.

MC5- Their Kick Out the Jams was pioneering in punk and metal but aside from that I know nothing.

Judas Priest- There were so many bands during the hair/glam metal era that you could easily nominate almost any of them.

Eminem- Legendary success.

Rage Against the Machine- They already have the Beastie Boys, but it would still be a good choice.

Beck- Greatly successful and diverse musician.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:59am


Okay gonna go off the bat…

Eminem
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

If 7: Judas Priest

This is one tough ballot!

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:13am


I think we are actually gonna get 7 this year!

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:20am


I think this is one of the tougher ballots to handicap in a long time.

I got 7.5 of my 16 predictions right (I'm taking a half point for Lionel Richie since I predicted The Commodores).

I'll be shocked if Chaka Khan isn't given a Musical Excellence award. Her absence from the ballot to me is a clear indication that they already decided to just put her in through that back door.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:24am


2 takeaways at first glance...

No Monkees. The RRHOF obviously doesn't consider them a real rock n roll band and just a novelty. With all the groundswell they've gotten, they better get an Early Influence, which I hate because that's how they slid Kraftwerk in...sad

The nomination of Lionel Richie is nice, but it speaks to me that they're trying to close the door on the 70s largely, and they are again ignoring the R and B/funk genre, which is cruelly underrepresented in the Hall

Lukewarm to this list. Will give a more in-depth review as I have time...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:36am


My inductee predictions:
Eminem
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
if 6: Beck
if 7: Rage Against the Machine
Non Performer: Rick Rubin
Early Influence: Big Mama Thorton, Afrika Bambaataa, MC5
Musical Excellence: Slade (if you haven't figured it out by now I am a Slade enthusiast), Ronnie James Dio, The Monkees
The weird backing band category: The Commodores

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:41am


Here we are! Some brief thoughts:

- TRIBE IS ON THE BALLOT I REPEAT A TRIBE CALLED QUEST IS ON THE BALLOT THIS IS NOT A DRILL

- I got 7 nominees right in my predictions, not too terrible.

- I think there is a nearly 100% chance that Chaka Khan will be getting in via Musical Excellence this year.

- Very surprised that MC5 and New York Dolls are on the same ballot, I feel like that automatically dooms both of their chances.

- Lionel Richie is a weird choice to me, I feel like they should've just nominated The Commodores, and I wonder what this means for their future chances.

- In terms of predictions, here's where my head is at so far. Eminem and Dolly feel like absolute locks. Duran Duran and Pat Benatar seem very likely. I think one of Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick gets in, but maybe not both. Slot #6 is open to me. I think there's a good chance Lionel could fill it, as he has that legendary status. I also think both Rage and Beck could be legitimate contenders this year. If we're in a 7 inductee scenario, I would say Lionel and Rage are the last two slots. It's difficult for me to see any of the other artists being legitimate contenders on this ballot.

I'll go more into detail on my thoughts tonight when I have more time to write!

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:41am


Well there they are. The actual Nominees for 2022.
I ended up predicting 6 nominees correctly: Pat Benatar, , Duran Duran, Eminem, RATM, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick.Better than I usually do, but I'm sure others got a lot more right. I see Michael W had a little more right
I'm disappointed that the Monkees are Not nominated. I don't care about the Meat Loaf snub. How can you leave out the Monkees? The Monkees had a lot of hits. But Heyy it happens.
Duran Duran! Finally. Good year for them. They had a lot of hits in the 80s. And had some success in the 90s. Great to see them finally nominated. They were one of the new wave bands I followed somewhat during the 80s.
Carly Simon is a terrific choice. I am indeed familiar with some Of her work. I know You're So Vain, Havent Got Time for the Pain, Nobody Does it Better, You Belong to Me, Jesse, Coming Around Again and Stuff that Dreams are Made of are all good songs. Lionel Richie had Legendary success. It's finally a goood R&b choice. He had a lot of hits and big albums.
Devo is Back. I like some of their songs.
Dolly Parton is a Nice Surprise. She is a Country Legend.

Dionne Warwick was Very successful. Would be a good choice. She is being given a second chance. I think she will end up as an Early Influence this year.

Judas Priest were among many bands during the hair/glam metal era but they stand out as Key pioneers in Heavy Metal

Pat Benatar gets a second Nom. It's another attempt to complete the Female Hard Rockers

Eminem is a legendary success. I know No songs from him as of this date. It seems like this would be shocking if I was under 40. I'm 57 so I will catch up on him a Little.
Rage Against the Machine Would be a good choice. I think it's their 3rd try. Their songs remain hip in this day and age.

These names will be mentioned over and over. More on all this later on

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:50am


Is it bad to say that I already have my 2023 predictions lol?

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 11:17am


I think I did okay; I "sort of" got six. I did predict Pat Benatar and Eminem--who didn't?--and the Eurythmics and Carly Simon, I also had either Duran Duran or INXS, and either Judas Priest, Iron Maiden or Motley Crue. My guess as to who gets in:

Beck: Probably not, nobody on this side of the pond is familiar with his music. Too crowded a field.
Pat Benatar: Probably. The shocker of three years ago won't be repeated.
Kate Bush: Probably not. See Beck.
Devo: Probably not. Too many regard them, unfairly, as a one-hit-wonder.
Duran Duran: Probably. 1980s music is starting to be recognized by the R&R HoF.
Eminem: Welcome to Cleveland.
Eurythmics: Maybe. See Duran Duran.
Judas Priest: Maybe, since a few more hard rock acts (Def Leppard, Nine Inch Nails, Foo Fighters) got in, their members may vote to add one more.
Fela Kuti: Probably not, at least not as a performer. A likely "Musical Excellence" or "Early Influence" inductee.
MC5: Probably not. Sadly, except for "Kick Out the Jams," largely forgotten.
New York Dolls: Probably not. Their best chance is from those who think adding more women is a good idea (and are not aware who the NYD are).
Dolly Parton: Maybe, in the R&R HoF's current female-friendly climate. May get cancelled by another female singer-songwriter on the ballot.
Rage Against the Machine: Probably not, unless the acts that I have voting for Judas Priest go for Rage as well.
Lionel Richie: Probably not, would have had a better chance had the Commodores, not just Richie, been nominated.
Carly Simon: Maybe. Probably a better chance than Dolly Parton, maybe a slightly better chance than the Eurythmics.
A Tribe Called Quest: Probably not, unless those I have voting for Judas Priest go for a third.
Dionne Warwick: Maybe, but probably not as good a chance as Carly Simon.

My guess: Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Carly Simon. If a sixth, Dionne Warwick or Dolly Parton (but not both), if a seventh, Judas Priest.

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 11:18am


I would give this RRHOF list a solid B. Don't understand their obsession with MC5 and NY Dolls. They would be better fits in the special awards. Probably will cancel each other out and fall short again. Would have preferred Bad Company & Foreigner or Blue Oyster Cult & Iron Maiden or something. They have given Judas Priest a good opportunity to sneak in for the metal induction. Rob Halford deserves credit for his positivity about the Rock Hall and being honored to have Priest and metal in its hallowed halls. Might have tipped the scales. Other bands have voiced displeasure or don't care about the honor. It's their chance to earn an induction. Duran Duran finally!!! I think Duran Duran and Eminem are the best chances to earn an induction. Duran Duran has so much popularity and support. They could use Hungry Like The Wolf or Rio as a finisher. Will collect votes from the British RRHOF too. Might win the FAN VOTE as well. Appear to be inducted easily.
Dionne Warwick not an easy path to induction. Carly Simon has her popularity and fans. She should collect some votes. Pat Benatar obviously will do well with rock and women voters. She is loved and respected. I had Beck for next year's 2022-2023 list but they accelerated it here for 2022. He's probably 50/50 here. Beck will have some support. Kudos for those who picked Dolly Parton! She is a Legend and gives Country another possible Inductee. I think she will have plenty of votes. This makes it difficult for Dionne Warwick. Rage Against The Machine time to earn their induction. It won't be easy considering the diversity of the ballot. I've flirted with Lionel Richie on my lists for the last 5 years. He might have been on 1 or 2 final lists. They easily could have written Lionel Richie/The Commodores. Richie is a very respected and talented musician. I could see him earning Induction. A Tribe Called Quest was a pleasant surprise. I removed them from my list early in the cycle. Kate Bush might eventually receive a Special Award. Another tough uphill climb for her in this nomination cycle.
A KING 2022 Induction Class.
1. Carly Simon
2. Dolly Parton
3. Duran Duran
4. Eminem
5. Judas Priest
6. Pat Benatar
7. Rage Against The Machine

I had 7 correct on my Nomination list . DEVO, Duran Duran, Eminem, Judas Priest, Pat Benatar, Rage Against The Machine, The Eurythmics. Credit to the RRHOF Nomination Committee for creating a diverse list. Artists from the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, 1990's. Some who are still popular in the present day. It must be a champagne day for Enigmaticus in Arizona. Duran Duran and Carly Simon 2 of his FAVS. I was disappointed no Kool & The Gang. It seems they had some support last time on the Committee. Guess they went with Lionel Richie instead. Can't wait to see how it shakes out. Will be waiting for Roy's different ballot class possibilities.
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 11:42am


Here are my thoughts on the nominees.

Beck: 8/10
I actually never thought I see Beck being nominated this year since there are so many alternative acts that came before him still waiting for inclusion. With that said, I don't see him being inducted this year especially since Radiohead didn't get in on their 1st try & it might take him a few more years & nominations to become an inductee.

Pat Benatar: 6/10
I saw a lot of comments about her inclusion & it's not hard to see why. She has influence but wasn't exactly a groundbreaker like the ones that are inducted before her. This may be her year & she's definitely worthy but not quite remarkable.

Kate Bush: 7/10
Now if Hall is also focusing on the acts that have successful in other countries besides USA then Kate Bush would likely have a chance to earn induction but that's unfortunately not the case here so this maybe her last nomination in the performer category.

Devo: 7/10
Really defining band & pretty much paved the way for MTV, but i actually thought they will be inducted following their 3rd nomination whenever the ceremony comes back to Cleveland. However this year's is in LA & I don't see them being honored over there. Maybe in the next few years they will finally receive it.

Duran Duran: 8/10
To be honest, I never thought I get to see both Duran Duran & Devo being nominated at the same time especially since they both defined MTV generation. I've been seeing a number of posts about DD's consideration & it finally happened so they'll likely become an FYN inductee.

Eminem: 10/10
An only guarantee & lock for induction & those rock purists would be shaking their heads lol. They really need to get over it!

Eurythmics: 7/10
I don't mind if they get inducted but it certainly won't happen this year since both Devo & Duran Duran are also nominated.

Judas Priest: 8/10
Ahhh these icons are back in the saddle again, I actually predicted & anticipated that they will finally be inducted when they receive their 3rd nomination & if they don't get in then they'll likely be inducted under a different category. Let's hope that this is finally their year.

Fela Kuti: 7/10
Well last year's shocking nomination is now returning & considering how obscure he is, I think maybe Early Influence or AME would be his only route.

MC5: 7/10
They have been nominated 5 times previously & it's their 6th try. I don't think they will ever be inducted as performers, since Kraftwerk got inducted under "Early Influence" then it's likely MC5 would follow them in that category.

New York Dolls: 7/10
Their influence is big as other honorees (David Bowie, The Velvet Underground, The Stooges, T. Rex & Roxy Music) & with a documentary about them coming up, I think it's going to push their chances of induction for this year.

Dolly Parton: 9/10
This one is absolutely shocking to be exact, as far for country acts being inducted: Johnny Cash is the only one in the "Performer Category" & Dolly Parton is one of them that never got its nomination before. She very successful & really defined the genre for better. As chances of induction, I don't mind if she gets it it's just a matter of when it may happen this year.

Rage Against the Machine: 7/10
I believe they will finally be inducted since Tom Morello is part of the committee & for being part of the presenters for last year, maybe the Hall would actually do him a favor by inducting them since it worked for Dave Grohl.

Lionel Richie: 8/10
Another shocking nomination, Lionel's still active & I think by inducting Clarence Avant a few months is by Hall saying thank you & gave him his first nomination. I think I'm on the fence about this since there are so many suprises this year. Maybe this will be his year or not.

Carly Simon: 6/10
I don't think she has a chance of earning induction at all, don't get me wrong she's defining but the 70's is about to close in the few years but I haven't seen her being active for a long time & this is really a big shocker.

A Tribe Called Quest: 9/10
Really influential rap act, they expanded & shifted the landscape of hip hop with creative possibilities for the genre. With that said, I would vote for them as possible but then Eminem is also nominated & would be inducted so maybe next year would finally be their turn.

Dionne Warwick: 5/10
I haven't seen RRHOF inducted any act from the 60's since 2019 & this is Warwick's second nomination. I don't see that happening at all since the Hall pretty much moved on from the decade. This maybe her last nomination ever.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 11:42am


I think you're all underestimating Eurythmics's chances this year, Yes, I know that they're going up against Duran Duran and Devo, but Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart are so well-liked and so-well connected in the music industry that a lot of people will probably vote for them on that alone, plus The Hall has been inducting more 80's acts in recent years, so they stand a very good chance IMO, also, they're currently in the top 5 and at #5 in the fan vote, so that helps them as well, In addition, they're being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year (which was rescheduled from 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic) as well, If there was ever a time that we see two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts get in in the same year, it's this year with Duran Duran and Eurythmics. I see them getting in this year along with Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon with Beck, Rage Against The Machine and Dionne Warwick as spoilers. I see the Eurythmics being more likely than Lionel Richie IMO, I think Lionel's biggest problem is that 70's Soul/R&B/Funk/Disco acts have had such a difficult time getting inducted in the past decade, If Chic and Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan couldn't get in and The Spinners, War, The Marvelettes, Joe Tex, The Meters and The J.B's can't get in, then I highly doubt Lionel will despite his legendary status and him being such a beloved figure in the music industry.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 11:58am


Also, if it were up to me the class would be:

Tribe
Dolly
Kate Bush
RATM
Judas Priest
Duran Duran
Dionne Warwick

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 12:12pm


THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

1. Dionne Warwick
2. Dolly Parton
3. Fela Kuti
4. New York Dolls
5. MC5
6. Carly Simon

WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ACTS

1. Eminem
2. Beck
3. Rage Against The Machine
4. A Tribe Called Quest
5. Eurythmics
6. Duran Duran

WHEN VOTING FOR THE REST

1. Judas Priest
2. Devo
3. Kate Bush
4. Pat Benatar
5. Lionel Richie

WORST CASE SCENARIO

1. Fela Kuti
2. MC5
3. Devo
4. Beck
5. Eminem

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 12:59pm


My personal choice for this year's class would be Eminem, Duran Duran, Beck, Dolly Parton, Pat Benatar, A Tribe Called Quest, and Carly Simon. The first four on that list will be on all my votes at the RockHall web site, with the the other three rotating into the final spot.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 13:08pm


How much do you guys wanna bet that Fela Kuti will be up in the top 5 in the fan vote by tomorrow morning

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 13:15pm


This is a surprise. 17 acts, only Eminem is a sure bet. But I figured since we're on a new page now, it's time to update the list of dead inductees (FLR also lists Sam Lay as still being alive despite dying recently.)

So far five Inductees (Grahame Edge, Norman Thrasher, Calvin Simon, Ronnie Spector, Don Wilson, and Sam Lay) have died since the ceremony.

Living Members of Each Class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 1/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 22/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli) This is also the most recent class where more than half of the inductees are still alive (56%), and the most alive 20th Century class.
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 28/70 (Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 19/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 17/22 (Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 13:44pm


Follower,
Do you keep all that info in a Google doc? Cause it must be a pain in the ass to type all this out manually

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 13:49pm


Of the Fan Vote 6, 3 were nominated this year (Pat, Priest, and Fela Kuti.) I doubt Nigeria will try again this year since they learned that the vote doesn't matter as much as it appears.

(No, it's not completely meaningless! If that were true, why has every year other than 2020 featured at least 3 of the top 5 for each year?)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 13:50pm


MY HOPES
Devo
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Beck
New York Dolls

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 14:04pm


Raichu,

I first started keeping track sometime in 2020 (I think), and I've just been copying and pasting ever since. I don't type it out manually.

For anyone who may know: Who is the biggest albums act and who is the biggest singles act nominated?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 14:43pm


The Biggest Albums and Singles acts from previous years:

Albums:
2013: Rush
2014: KISS
2015: Green Day
2016: Chicago
2017: Joan Baez
2018: The Moody Blues
2019: Def Leppard
2020: Whitney Houston by sales, Dave Matthews Band by charts
2021: Jay-Z

Singles:
2013: Donna Summer
2014: Daryl Hall and John Oats
2015: The Spinners
2016, 2017, and 2019: Janet Jackson
2018: Bon Jovi
2020: Whitney Houston
2021: Jay-Z

What's the answer for this year?

Also, we have two artists with Diamond albums this year (Eminem and Lionel Ritchie)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 15:06pm


Initial thoughts on the nomination list

I was surprised at how predictable this list turned out to be. It looks like most watchers got at least 6-7 right which is a pretty high average. I actually got 8 right, and that doesn't count choosing The Commodores (Lionel Richie), a coin flip choosing Iron Maiden over Judas Priest, and Kate Bush being my last cut. I think that predictability might be why some were underwhelmed by this list. I don't think I have ever come close to picking that many right before.

I believe it is a very solid group overall. We often joke they should just induct the whole list, but this year you really could say that. It would really help with the backlog.

I don't understand putting New York Dolls and MC5 on the same ballot. Weird, and I strongly believe both deserve to be in. I don't like them ignoring The Commodores at all. Happy to see A Tribe Called Quest, but would prefer OutKast. Sad that the 60s really seems to be over (Dionne Warwick and the MC5 notwithstanding). Ticked off that Soundgarden didn't make the cut again.

Early prediction is that Eminem, Duran Duran and Dolly Parton are the three most likely to make it in. After that it is a toss-up with about seven acts I think could make it. There are at least six I think have very little chance.

I have to say I agree with richie when it comes to Eurythmics. Don't underestimate their influence and connections. They have some brutal competition on this ballot and might struggle to get in, but I think they have a legitimate shot.

Personal favorites: Kate Bush, New York Dolls, Duran Duran, Judas Priest, Eurythmics and Beck.
Most deserving in my opinion: Eminem, Dionne Warwick, New York Dolls, Beck and Judas Priest. Toss-up for sixth between Fela, Dolly Parton and Kate Bush.

All 17 are deserving, although I feel RATM are overrated and they are keeping numerous other 90s artists from getting their shot on the ballot.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 15:23pm


Why are two people nominated for Benatar?

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 15:32pm


So many artists to choose for the fan vote, but here's who I voted for:

Kate Bush
Eminem
Fela Kuti
Dolly Parton
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 15:36pm


Now that the 2022 nominees have been announced, Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 15:44pm


@richie, Here's who I think might be inducted:

Eminem
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Lionel Richie (gives me a Hall & Oates vibe)
Judas Priest

Spoilers include Rage Against the Machine, Dionne Warwick, Kate Bush, and A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 16:22pm


I'm actually thinking Eminem will be snubbed. Although he seems on the surface to be the most iconic name on the ballot, he also does seem to be one of the names that would cause more members of the Voting Committee to say "over my dead body" than most others, particularly the members of '60s and '70s rock bands who probably (erroneously) view him in the same vein as Britney Spears or something. He has a very abrasive image and there was a history of other artists like that (Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols, N.W.A) taking many nominations (granted, he is much bigger commercially than any of them.) The previous white rappers The Beastie Boys also took several nominations. Sure, gangsta rappers like 2Pac and Biggie went straight in, but they also had universal support from black voters, which I'm not sure Eminem will have. I would not be surprised if many black voters consider Tribe, Richie, and Warwick to be bigger legends and resent Eminem for co-opting a black genre. Obviously, he influenced many, many black rappers like Kendrick Lamar but they aren't voters yet and I'm not sure how much respect he has from people before him. There are also probably people who won't vote for him because of his problematic lyrics in an era when that has become more important. Additionally, I'm not sure how gung-ho the critics will go for him since it seems the standard consensus is that he was an elite artist from 1999-2002 and then remained popular with mostly garbage after that; he kind of comes off like the rap version of Weezer in that way although he was obviously much bigger than them in a pop sense. Plus there is the problem of Beck.

People think Beck has an outside shot because many people consider him to be a one-hit wonder, but he crossed over and has respect across almost all subgenres of rock & roll because he did rock, rap, funk, folk, indie, and dance-pop albums. I also would guess that he's one of the '90s artists who the '60s/'70s guys who still dominate the hall most like because he did build on the genres they developed. He was also more consistent than Eminem, more respected by critics, and (most importantly I think) less controversial. I think a lot of white people who want to vote for a white rapper will prefer Beck to Eminem because Beck wasn't JUST a rapper and also dabbled in many genres that the Hall voters typically like much more. I think despite Eminem being a superstar and Beck being a "one-hit wonder", I think Beck's got a better shot because he'll get the '60s/'70s votes, especially in a year that there's minimal classic rock on the ballot and how much they routinely put singer-songwriters in to begin with. I would also guess Beck would be more likely to get black votes than Eminem, although black voters will probably mostly focus on Tribe here.

But Lionel Richie has the best shot. The man wrote "We Are the World" and even though that song was not good, it still proves he has connections with rock royalty as so many marquee names who are still central figures in the rock & roll establishment sang on that. Sure, he had a lot of adult contemporary schlock as a soloist but so did Whitney Houston and Tina Turner and it didn't stop them getting in right away and he was definitely in the same league as them commercially. He won't get many critics' votes but it seems to me that the critics' contingent doesn't really make or break artists' induction chances these days as the popular choices on their first ballot get in first, and he doesn't really have any similar artists in his lane (Dionne Warwick a teensy bit, but I don't think most people will think of them that way.)

Pat Benatar I think is a lock even though she missed last time. There were a lot of other hard rock artists on the ballot that year and there really aren't this time. She gets more classic rock airplay than anyone else on this ballot by far so she'll still get that contingent, which is still pretty large. Last time she had to compete against The Doobie Brothers which were considered even more of a classic rock staple, but this year she is the biggest staple. I think she's in.

After the recent inductions of Roxy Music, The Cure, and Depeche Mode, I think Duran Duran will get in easily especially since they were commercially bigger than any of them in the US by far. However, they are similar enough to the Eurythmics and Devo that those two will be kept out.

Black voters and critics are going to be united for A Tribe Called Quest I think and that contingent can carry you to instant induction, but they also don't have the legend status to the general public as the names that did get in on the first ballot. I think they'll come close but just miss. They might get in next year if they're on the ballot alone but they'll be appealing for a lot of people who don't want to vote for any of the non-black rappers in Eminem, Beck, and RATM.

I think either Dolly Parton or Carly Simon will get in but not both. Parton obviously has the greater legend status and some people will jump on that but I think a lot of people won't because they don't think country artists should be in the hall. Simon had a longer career in the pop mainstream and probably has better connections with the people who are already inducted but is viewed as second-tier by many. I can't decide which way that will go. I think either would be a lock if the other wasn't on the ballot but one will keep the other out. I think even though Parton is the bigger legend, Simon will get it because she is seen as more rock & roll by the other voters (I mean Mick Jagger even appeared on "You're So Vain"...)

MC5 is too similar to both RATM and New York Dolls (in different ways) which will tank their chances, and because of their vote-splitting with both RATM and the Dolls, it will tank their chances too. Although either MC5 or the Dolls will probably get inducted in a special category.

Judas Priest might have a shot now that there are fewer classic rock staples on this ballot than there were the last two times, but I just think they were too underground in America for most of these voters and not commercial enough; those people will vote for Benatar.

Kate Bush has a better shot but is still too offbeat to them and weirdly I think the same voters would go for her and Beck, but I think Beck is bigger in America and that carries more weight. Bush's best shot might be Benatar advocating her when she gets in because Benatar did cover "Wuthering Heights" on her biggest album and I could see her going for that. Not that it seems like it should have to come to that. But I think Benatar might be able to convince some of the '70s rockers on her side to go for Bush after she gets in.

Dionne Warwick seems like she'll sweep up the voters who voted for Carole King and Tina Turner last time. Because Carly Simon and Dolly Parton will probably split that vote a little, I think she'll probably finish above them in the polling.

Fela Kuti will probably do really well in the fan vote again and then not get in due to obscurity.

Predictions:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Yes, I really do think Eminem will miss and I'm surprised more people aren't predicting it.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 16:42pm


We just found out the nominees, barely 12 hours ago. Everyone's still processing their reactions to the ballot and there's no way anyone can probably assess the ballot this quickly.

Posted by Dave W on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 16:46pm


"Why are two people nominated for Benatar?"

She insisted her husband/guitarist get in with her, which may be one of the things that annoyed people last time. I almost wish they put him Musical Excellence at the same time instead, but meh. His career outside of her probably wasn't that important enough as it seems like the only major thing he did was "Jessie's Girl", which I happen to like but a lot of people think is crap so I guess he's only deserving as a sideman to her, but if we're opening that door, there should be a lot more people in who have been excluded. He certainly wasn't as important an '80s hard rock producer as Rick Rubin or Mutt Lange.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 16:51pm


I see a pattern of nominating and inducting big 80's Pop acts over the past few years:

2019: Janet Jackson
2020: Whitney Houston
2021: Tina Turner
2022: Lionel Richie

If Lionel gets in this year, don't be surprised to see Phil Collins and George Michael show up on the ballot in the next two years after that (2023 and 2024).

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 17:13pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F and Michael W.,

Now that the 2022 nominees have been announced, Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 17:28pm


Adding to the "two people with Pat Benatar" conversation:

Neil Giraldo is Pat's songwriter, manager, producer, musician, and husband. Pat herself said that she didn't want to be in the Hall unless he was in with her.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 17:52pm


2022 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees: Who Will Actually Get In?
Here's how we handicap this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class and their chances of induction, from least to most likely.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-odds-nominees-1235026368/

Who Should Be Inducted Into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2022? Vote!
Dolly Parton, Eminem and more have been nominated for the Rock Hall's Class of 2022. Who do you think should get in?
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Duran Duran React to Rock Hall Nomination: 'People Love Survivors'
It's the English band's first nom.
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MC5's Wayne Kramer on Sixth Rock Hall Nomination – And Spotify's Joe Rogan Mess
"I'm not surprised that the music business wouldn't recognize the band. But, y'know, enough's enough."
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/mc5-wayne-kramer-rock-hall-nomination-1235026269/

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 18:18pm


Performer inductees will be: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick, and Beck

Early Influence will go to: MC5 and New York Dolls

Award for Musical Excellence goes to: Devo, Kate Bush and Fela Kuti (2 of these 3)

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 18:34pm


Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

17. Fela Kuti
16. MC5
15. Beck
14. New York Dolls
13. Kate Bush
12. A Tribe Called Quest
11. Dionne Warwick
10. Devo
9. Rage Against The Machine
8. Judas Priest
7. Carly Simon
6. Lionel Richie
5. Eurythmics
4. Eminem
3. Duran Duran
2. Dolly Parton
1. Pat Benatar

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 18:47pm


WHEN VOTING ROCKIST

1. MC5
2. New York Dolls
3. Judas Priest
4. Duran Duran
5. Eurythmics
6. Pat Benatar
7. Rage Against The Machine

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 19:38pm


Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year, I'm going to say that since we got 17 nominees this year, I think that they'll go with 7 inductees this year:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Dionne Warwick

Those are the acts that I feel stand the best chance of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 20:00pm


The fan vote has five, so I don't think we're getting 7.

Posted by blah on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 21:41pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, KING, Enig, Donnie, Philip, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

I'm going out on a limb and say that Eminem will be snubbed FYE just like Radiohead, I'm actually thinking Eminem will be snubbed although he seems on the surface to be the most iconic name on the ballot, he also does seem to be one of the names that would cause more members of the Voting Committee to say "over my dead body" than most others, particularly the members of 60's and 70's Rock bands who probably (erroneously) view him in the same vein as Britney Spears or something. He has a very abrasive image and there is a history of other artists like that (Black Sabbath, The Sex Pistols, N.W.A.) taking many nominations (granted, he is much bigger commercially than any of them.) The previous white rappers The Beastie Boys also took several nominations. Sure, gangsta rappers like 2Pac and Biggie went straight in, but they also had universal support from black voters, which I'm not sure Eminem will have. I would not be surprised if many black voters consider A Tribe Called Quest, Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick to be bigger legends and resent Eminem for co-opting a black genre. Obviously, he influenced many, many black rappers like Kendrick Lamar but they aren't voters yet and I'm not sure how much respect he has from people before him. There are also probably people who won't vote for him because of his problematic lyrics in an era when that has become more important. Additionally, I'm not sure how gung-ho the critics will go for him since it seems the standard consensus is that he was an elite artist from 1999-2002 and then remained popular with mostly garbage after that; he kind of comes off like the rap version of Weezer in that way although he was obviously much bigger than them in a pop sense. Plus there is the problem of Beck. People think Beck has an outside shot because many people consider him to be a one-hit wonder, but he crossed over and has respect across almost all subgenres of rock & roll because he did rock, rap, funk, folk, indie and dance-pop albums. I also would guess that he's one of the 90's artists who the 60's/70's guys who still dominate the hall most like because he did build on the genres they developed. He was also more consistent than Eminem, more respected by critics, and (most importantly I think) less controversial. I think a lot of white people who want to vote for a white rapper will prefer Beck to Eminem because Beck wasn't JUST a rapper and also dapped in many genres that the Hall typically like much more. I think despite Eminem being a superstar and Beck being a one-hit wonder", I think Beck's got a better shot because he'll get the 60's/70's votes, especially in a year that's there's minimal classic rock on the ballot and how much they routinely put singer-songwriters in to begin with. I would also guess Beck would be more likely to get black votes than Eminem, although black voters will probably mostly focus on Tribe here.

Yes, I really do think Eminem will miss and I'm surprised more people aren't predicting it.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 23:00pm


No, Eminem performed at the ceremony, and he did a good job. He was originally going to induct LL, but he changed his mind and wanted to perform instead. The Hall won't forget the loudest show. He's not going to be skipped.

There is a chance that the voters will see him as too obvious and want to vote for their own preferences, but I think they learned their lesson when it happened to Radiohead.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 23:38pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Donnie, Raichu, Johnny, dmg and Eric Tompkins,

Now that the 2022 nominees have been announced, Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 23:52pm


Hey richie

Eminem is pretty well liked by black audiences mainly cause he always seemed honest and genuine like the Beastie Boys (and more importantly unlike Vanilla Ice). He was an angry piece of white trash and rapped about being that and that caused everyone from The Source to XXL to BET to praise him. He has cred. Plus he has guys like Dr. Dre and Jay-Z in his corner, he inducted Run-DMC in a very loving speech, aided LL Cool J's induction, has had a decade of black artists like Kendrick Lamar, Rihanna, and Tyler, the Creator talking about how important Eminem was to their musical journeys, and helped guys like 50 Cent, The Game, and Drake break into the mainstream. I think that the black voter block would prefer to say Lionel Richie.

Beyond that, yes he had his critical turn from 5/5 to meh albums but those albums still sold very well (remember he's not just the best selling artist of the 2000s but also the 2010s - execs love that shit) and had great number of defenders especially in rap press where XXL and Complex were still giving him high praise.

There's also the fact he was big on sampling classic rock in a why that highlighted it which I think a lot of rock voters would value that. I think they might as be swayed by Elton John (who is definitely more pop but is respected in rock circles) having written this https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/100-greatest-artists-147446/eminem-14-83074/

Ultimately I think every rapper who has gone in and will vote with the exception of maybe some of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five will vote for both him and Tribe (so say 15 votes there) and he will do very well with more exec types. After that I wouldn't be shocked if guys like Tyler Perry and Rod Argent give him as well (Elton is a lock too). Not to mention he will get a fan vote.

Beyond that I also think Hall voters don't want to risk another Radiohead situation and have a name this big and important miss the mark.

That said I do think Beck will be a spoiler and I think he'll spoil Devo and Rage's chances.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 23:58pm


It seems we have a wide range of categories here.

Classic Rock: Pat Benatar
Alternative: Devo
Rap: A Tribe Called Quest
Metal: Judas Priest
Country: Dolly Parton
World: Fela Kuti
Pop: Carly Simon
Soul: Lionel Richie

Not only that, seven first-timers and six women.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 00:28am


Ben, Will N., K Dawg, KING, RG, Tom H., Jordan Einstein, Philip, Follower and others,

Today is February 3, 2022. Lobsterfest began 3 days ago, yesterday was Groundhog Day and for all intents and purposes, I am now 60 years old.

In my honest opinion, If a critically beloved artist has not waited at least 10 years past their eligibility date to be inducted, then they really have not been snubbed under any circumstances whatsoever.

If I had decided to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2022 nominees. I would think that a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 3 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart in 2020. I find it rather unfortunate that many members of the newer generation do not understand the importance of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and the lamentable fact that they probably never will. Additionally, John Prine may receive an induction, due to his passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2022 nominees:

These are the artists who I think should be inducted as performers in 2022:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or perhaps 5 more women, which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. This year, (The Go-Gos had been inducted). Overall, It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. With the Go-Gos now in, the Rock Hall may decide to nominate The Bangles. The prog community will support their induction! (Next year)

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 9 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. Plus, Duran Duran has a new album out titled "Future Past" and their single, 'Hungry Like The Wolf' has shown up on the latest list of Rolling Stone's Greatest Songs Of All Time' at #398. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). The prog community will definitely support their induction. (2022)

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; they may get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). The prog community will definitely support their induction. (Next year)

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). The prog community may support their induction. (Next year?)

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat 2020's fiasco? No, then induct them. They absolutely should get in; they will get in. The hard rock/heavy metal community will support their induction. (2022)

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. Also, Sade is a "progressive soul" band. See Stevie wonder and Peter Gabriel. The prog community may support their induction. (Next year)

07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. 'You're So Vain' is at #495 on Rolling Stone's latest list of greatest songs of all time. With Carole King's recent induction as a performer, it really makes sense for Carly Simon to be next. The prog community will definitely support her induction. (2022)

08. Kansas- The recent passing of Robby Steinhardt (former violinist and vocalist) was huge news, plus there are not many "American" prog artists in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, other than perhaps: Frank Zappa, The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead, Talking Heads and Journey. They have strong advocates in both Brian May, long time inductee with Queen and Garth Brooks- soon to be nominated for induction himself. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). Also, Robby Steinhardt's posthumous solo release "Not In Kansas Anymore: A Prog Opera" (2021) has received positive reviews from Pete Pardo of "Sea of Tranquility." The prog community will probably support their induction. (Two years from now)

09. The Monkees- the unfortunate passings of Davy Jones, Peter Tork and the recent passing of Michael Nesmith could be the spark that gets them a rock hall nomination. Michael Nesmith had been instrumental in creating Pop Clips, the predecessor to MTV and MTV and Micky Dolenz (the sole surviving member) still has a great singing voice. I have also been watching recent documentaries about them on YouTube.

Since Michael Nesmith had unfortunately passed away on Friday December 10, 2021. I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of Michael Nesmith. Michael Nesmith, in addition to the rest of The Monkees had a lasting impact on the pop culture, which will not ever be forgotten. With Micky Dolenz, being the only surviving member of The Monkees, I anticipate that a mostly posthumous nomination and a RockHall induction will finally be forthcoming. Will they get in? (Next year)

10. Dionne Warwick- A renomination for such a great singer should definitely be in order. Since she did not get inducted in 2021, I think that a renomination will be forthcoming. Will she get in this time? (2022)

11. The B-52s- I found it quite amazing that Fred Schneider, Kate Pierson and Cindy Wilson have been together for almost 46 years. (Next year)

If hard pressed to choose, these are the artists (from my list) who I believe to have the best chance of being inducted in 2022:

1. The Bangles
2. Duran Duran (Yes!)
3. Carly Simon (Yes!)
4. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo (Yes!)
5. Sade
6. The Monkees
7. Dionne Warwick (Yes!)
8. The B-52s
9. Lionel Richie (Yes!)

In my honest opinion, those 9 artists would definitely make a fantastic class of inductees.

Let's face basic facts: I definitely do not like Eminem!

In my honest opinion, Eminem can definitely wait at least another nine hundred ninety nine trillion nine hundred ninety nine billion nine hundred ninety nine million nine hundred ninety nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine years, much like Dr. Dre. as a solo artist!



Here are the other 10:

12. Sheryl Crowe- a contemporary of Stevie Nicks.

13. Thin Lizzy- fathers of Irish hard rock.

14. Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart were quite innovative for their time. Plus, Annie Lennox has had a very successful solo career after the dissolution of The Eurythmics. (2022)

15. Cher- A true music icon for almost 60 years.

16. Willie Nelson- "............................................,.,."

17. Kool & The Gang

18. Lionel Richie (solo), or perhaps The Commodores (although I think that the former is more likely).


19. Meatloaf (due to his recent passing)

20. John Prine (due to his passing from complications due to COVID-19) almost 2 years ago.

21. Eminem- even though I strongly detest him.

Over all, I had predicted 7 of the nominees: Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Pat Benatar, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick, Eurythmics and Eminem. Of course, I am somewhat disappointed to not see The Bangles, Jethro Tull, Procol Harum, Kansas, Sade, B-52s, or The Monkees on this particular ballot.

As many of you are well-aware, I have actively pushed for Duran Duran's nomination and induction for 9 consecutive years. Congratulations to Kirk Harrington of DDTTRH for getting the ball rolling.



Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 01:39am


Why are people choosing Eminem over Devo? What is wrong with you people?

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 02:26am


Garrus,

They are from a younger generation and were apparently brainwashed into liking what we might consider to be "repugnant" things.

Here are the artists, I will vote for each and every time:

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Kate Bush
05. Alternating between Eurythmics, Dionne Warwick and Lionel Richie.

No rap artists this year, sorry! Not sorry!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 02:46am


Enig,
Pardon me for asking. Why did you copy and paste about your nominee predictions
here on the actual nominee forum. You previously said if you had decided to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2022 nominees. You would think that a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been it's time for that etc etc. It may have been to restate what you predicted to then compare to the actual ballot. Explain if you could

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 02:56am


Ben,

Primarily, I was updating my nominees list on the new forum, to indicate whether or not artists from my list had received, or not received a nomination.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 05:26am


Ben,

Primarily, I was updating my nominees list on the new forum, to indicate whether or not artists from my list had received, or had not received a nomination.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 05:32am


Dionne Warwick and Dolly Parton are the only 60s acts on the ballot this year.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 07:37am


Richie,

That's an interesting and well-thought-out perspective on Eminem's chances for induction and I can totally understand the argument you're making. And you've been right about things like this in the past (see: Dave Matthews Band). However, I think Eminem will end up being too big for the voters to ignore. Sometimes an artist is just such a game-changer, for better or for worse, that their accomplishments overshadow whatever flaws they may have.

In the end, each nominee should be evaluated on what they have done in the world of music, and very few can match what Eminem has achieved. I'd say of the current nominees, only Dolly Parton's overall body of work and level of achievement surpass what Eminem has done. Lionel Richie might be close. As big a fan as I am of Duran Duran and Beck (they are my two favorites of this year's nominees), neither of them even approaches Eminem's level of impact.

If people choose not to vote for Eminem because of their distaste for his attitude or the vulgarity of his lyrics, I can totally respect that. But I don't think there will be enough people doing that to prevent his induction.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 07:59am


Roy,

I'd consider The MC5 to be a 60's act as well, since their seminal work came out in 1969.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 08:08am


Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 09:14am


Richie,

Eminem
Duran Duran
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine (putting my faith in this one)

Spoilers: Lionel Richie, Beck, Dionne Warwick

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 09:29am


WHAT FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS VOTERS WOULD GET RIGHT ABOUT THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTION CEREMONY

Devo * Duran Duran * Eminem

https://futurerocklegends.com/Statistics/

THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
BASED ON ELIGIBLE ARTISTS WITH THE MOST VOTES
ON FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS


01. Devo
02. Jethro Tull
03. Eminem
04. Backstreet Boys
05. Blink-182
06. Mariah Carey
07. Duran Duran
08. Alice In Chains
09. Nickelback
10. Smashing Pumpkins

WHAT FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS VOTERS
GOT RIGHT IN THE RECENT PAST


2021: Foo Fighters
2020: Whitney Houston * Depeche Mode * Nine Inch Nails
2019: Janet Jackson * Radiohead
2018: The Moody Blues * Bon Jovi
2017: Yes * Journey
2016: Chicago * Deep Purple
2015: Green Day
2014: Kiss * Nirvana
2013: Rush

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 09:49am


Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Dionne Warwick

As much as I love Lionel Richie, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy on his own, I feel that he should have been nominated with The Commodores instead of his solo career. Yes, he's beloved, but I feel that there are other Male Pop Stars from that era that are more deserving of an induction than Lionel solo like Phil Collins and George Michael. So for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I think he'll get in eventually with The Commodores, but not on his own for his solo career.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:16am


What does spoilers mean anyways?

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:26am


Raichu,

Spoilers means that these acts are Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:27am


richie,
ah ok, that makes more sense,
In that case my predictions are:
Pat Benetar
Dolly Parton
Judas Priest
Eminem
Duran Duran
Spoilers: Rage Against The Machine, Beck, Eurythmics.

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:30am


Diverse list. Some thoughts on each:

Beck: hugely creative and deserving. No problems here, even if I don't listen to hom much.
Duran Duran: YES. In my personal Top 10 Snubs list. Longevity and enduring popularity finally burst their former 80's New Romantic/MTV pin-up reputation.
Eminem: Fine, I guess. His music really irritates me, but he's an important figure in the genre.
Dolly Parton: I love her (who doesn't), and obviously a giant in country music and a national treasure. BUT, I am not sure I see her importance to rock and roll. Willie Nelson would have been a better choice for a country giant who has had some impact on rock artists.
Lionel Richie: Sure. Would rather have seem go in with The Commodores first, though.
Carly Simon: Not a fan of her work, but she is a very important figure in the singer-songwriter genre, so yes.
A Tribe Called Quest: Yes, very innovative as well as important.
Pat Benatar: She will probably get in based on momentum, and she's really cool, I like her. But honestly, I feel her actual Rockhall credentials are a little light. There are lots of cool artists that are not Rockhall level if a Rockhall really means anything.
The Eurythmics: Borderline, for me.
Fela Kuti: Absolutely, although might be more appropriate as an influence.
Dionne Warwick: No.
Kate Bush: LOVE her. She is hugely creative. Not much of an impact in America, but she was huge in Europe. I'd love to see it, but I doubt it happens with the U.S.-centric focus.
Devo: LOVE them as well. Their debut record was genius. The next several records were good. I'm pulling for them because they are a personal favorite, while admitting their Rockhall credentials may be a bit light due to not really following through on the brilliance of that debut.
Judas Priest: Absolutely. Metal, like prog, is criminally underrepresented in the Hall. Priest is a key artist and pioneer of the genre. so by definition they should be in. Whether you like metal or not, objectively speaking, they should be a shoo-in.
New York Dolls: Do not know them very well, although I understand they were very influential in some circles.
Rage Against the Machine: Could care less about their music, but important for their time and genre. Although, their multiple nominations probably has more to do with Morello's involvement with the Hall.
MC5: Maybe. Kick Out the Jams is a killer and important record and song, but after that? Meh.

Where is: Link Wray, King Crimson, Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, Big Star, Sonny Boy Williamson II (as influence)...

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:43am


Raichu,

I think Judas Priest have a shot because there are less Classic Rock acts this time around than the previous two times that they were nominated (in 2018 and 2020), I have to say that this is their best chance yet so far but I'm still not feeling them getting in at this point.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:43am


Priest did horribly the first two times they were nominated. I think the only reason they get nominated is because of Tom Morello.

Also, despite them finishing in the top 5 of the fan vote twice, they're in 7th right now behind Lionel Richie and Euythmics.

They only have Pat as competition, but she is more likely to get in.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:54am


Once again, who is the biggest albums act to be nominated this year and who is the biggest singles act?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:55am


Follower,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:57am


Follower,

I'll try to run the albums and singles numbers on the nominees tonight but I'm guessing Eminem for both.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 11:20am


I'd guess Eminem for biggest album artist but it might be Lionel Richie for singles. He had at least 5 #1 songs and a bunch of others that made the top 10.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 11:33am


Richie,

I posted my guesses at each nominees chances for induction yesterday. Based on that and assuming 6 inductees, my early prediction would be:

Eminem
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Carly Simon
Judas Priest

with Lionel Richie, Rage Against The Machine, and Beck as the most likely "spoilers".

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 11:38am


Eminem is legit the biggest for both albums and singles (if we count all his features and D12 he has as many top 10s as Lionel even with Commodores and he has way more Top 20, Top 40 and even just charting ones than Lionel and everyone else here).

Again best selling artist in TWO decades. He's not just big for the genre he's BIG to music as a whole. Even the most conservative voters would see him as a big deal. We need to look at him like a Beatles or Stones or Michael Jackson cause he's THAT BIG a deal commercially.

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 11:46am


Feel like I'm the only that like Rage in these forums…..

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 12:20pm


RG,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 12:44pm


Plebeian,

I don't hate Rage. I just think the Hall's insistence to keep nominating them without induction is jamming up the 90s rock backlog, and the Pumpkins were shafted AGAIN...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 13:33pm


Same here. Rage is fine, but there are quite a few others that I'd put in before them. If Morello wasn't on the committee I don't think they'd have been pushed like they are. I also am suffering from a major case of Tom Morello burnout. The guy is frickin' everywhere. Same thing with Dave Grohl and Alicia Keys. They're all great but I need a break from them.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 14:04pm


Rage is good prob my #9 on this ballot but I do get a sense it's for Morello more than anything else atm. 4th nomination when as if not more influential and acclaimed acts from the same era like The Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, Oasis, Liz Phair, Blur, Alice in Chains, Hole, and Alanis Morissette have never been nominated Rage begins to feel very forced. Soundgarden and Jane's Addiction has been nominated once, Beck is only now getting his first nomination and we're living in an age where pop punk (and Travis Barker) are everywhere yet no love for Blink-182. Rage is seems to be a clog for 90s alternative, not everyone listed above will go in but they're not even getting a shot because of this hang up.

In addition to the 90s, I also think Rage might be clogging the metal route.

Now why aren't they going in? Probably cause they're legacy whether people wanna admit it or not includes nu metal. I think that also kept the Beastie Boys out for a while.

Posted by mat R on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 14:47pm


SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR
RATES THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2022.html

10 - Eminem
8 - A Tribe Called Quest
7 - Beck
7 - Duran Duran
6 - MC5
6 - Fela Kuti
6 - Eurythmics
6 - Judas Priest
6 - Rage Against The Machine
6 - Lionel Richie
5 - Dionne Warwick
5 - Dolly Parton
5 - Carly Simon
5 - Kate Bush
5 - New York Dolls
5 - Devo
4 - Pat Benatar

Critiques and Ratings (12 pages)

150 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Candidates by Sampson of Digital Dream Door

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_halloffame_x1.html

THE CURRENT ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME QUALIFICATION SCALE
BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

10 - The Immortals
9 - Deserves To Be A First Ballot Lock
8 - Should Be Guaranteed An Induction
7 - An Eventual Induction Is Likely
6 - Should Be Nominated At Some Point
5 - Worthy Of At Least A Debate For A Nomination
4 - Not Insignificant, But Shouldn't Be Nominated
3 - No Business Being Debated By Committee
2 - No Business Being Even Mentioned
1 - No Business Visiting The Hall Of Fame Without a Ticket

THE OLD ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME QUALIFICATION SCALE
BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

1 - Non-existant
2 - Mostly Insignificant
3 - Recognizable, But Minor Credentials
4 - Modest Accomplishments
5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
6 - Strong Case To Be Made
7 - Solid Choice
8 - Unquestioned Credentials
9 - Dominant Artist
10 - The Immortals

Click the link above to read the critiques and ratings (12 pages)

• Candidates A-C
• Candidates C-F
• Candidates G-K
• Candidates L-P
• Candidates P-S
• Candidates T-Z
• Unlikely Candidates
• Sidemen Candidates
• Early Influences
• Outside Genre
• Non-Performers
• Inductees 1986-Present

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 14:48pm


Ben,

When you make your predictions for the 2022 inductees, Please predict 7 inductees this year instead of 6 because there are 17 nominees this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 15:09pm


SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR CRITIQUES THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2022.html

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 15:19pm


richie,
I was thinking about how many Inductees. Yeah 7 seems perfect. Its happened that way lately sometimes. It could be 6 due to the enhancement of Special categories. But for Now its 7. But I have not decided the inductees yet. I understand your point. But I don't want to disregard him just because He is Not my thing. I still never heard any tunes. I've been told to check him out. In my case I don't want anyone to frown on me disregarding Eminem. But I did of course check out and downloaded a New York Dolls tune. They are in my era though. I've known some Kate Bush for about 30 years. Ive known some Devo for about 40. I dont think either of these have a chance. I'm still absorbing the Nominees. You may know Beck. I'm considering him. Maybe. Judas Priest have a better chance than other times. I think I so far I only have 3 set for prediction. I pick Duran Duran, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon so far. Talk to ya.
They are Duran Duran

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 15:58pm


I got through on the phone today to Debatable on SiriusXM's Volume channel to talk to Nominating committee member Alan Light (along with Mark Goodman). I advocated for The Wailers to be considered for a Musical Excellence award and he seemed enthusiastic about the idea. Alan himself isn't on those, but said he was willing to throw it out to one of the members of that committee as a good suggestion.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:08pm


If it were up to me I would've swapped out MC5 and Lionel for the Commodores and Meat Loaf. Also I just got a notification for the trailer of a new King Crimson documentary. My Early Influence senses are tingling.

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:12pm


FLR is whining about how the fan vote supposably doesn't matter.

If it didn't matter, then why have at least 3 of the top 5 get inducted every year except for 2020?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:28pm


My early predictions for induction:

Duran Duran
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Eurythmics
Judas Priest (if 7)

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:49pm


Who I would vote for (in decreasing order of enthusiasm)

Kate Bush
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest

if seven:

Devo
Beck

Who I think will be inducted:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Judas Priest (their best shot with lack of anyone other than RATM in their genre)

If 7:

A Tribe Called Quest
Beck

As much as I would love to see Kate Bush (who is my favorite artist of all time), make the hall, there are too many women artists that might take votes away from her, including Pat Benatar, Carly Simon, Dolly Parton and Annie Lennox, the last 3 being all excellent singer/songwriters, although lesser IMHO than Kate. Beck will drawn votes away from her as well.

There may be a bit of a backlash against Lionel being inducted. Don't really understand why the Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with the Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some my have been huge hits, were average in quality at best.

Dolly Parton is certainly doing well in voting, and is a tremendous singer/songwriter. However, I wonder whether the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is the place for her, even though the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has become the Popular Music Hall of Fame in reality. I think there may be enough people who feel the same way to keep her out.

I think Eminem, Duran Duran, and Pat Benatar are all locks this year. The other two to four are less certain.

Posted by Eric Rodney Tompkins on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:50pm


Thoughts on this year's nominees:

Beck: One of the more pleasant surprise on this year's roster: absolutely deserving of induction, if not the biggest contemporary name on the ballot. The only issue I can think of is that there's a lack of "oomph" behind him: a lot of the more contemporary artists who've been inducted have had a major release that spotlighted them recently in the public eye (like Green Day or Radiohead), or had found other outlets to keep themselves in the minds of potential voters (such as Nine Inch Nails). Without a hook for potential supporters to get behind, he remains a likely spoiler but he might get lost in the shuffle compared to other artists.

Pat Benatar: A few days ago, I would have said Benatar was not just a lock for a second nomination, but a shoo-in to get inducted this year as well. With the other nominees announced, I'm still reasonably sure she'll get in this year, but I wouldn't place her as a 100% lock. Last year, the Go-Go's not only had the female rock slot all too themselves, but they virtually had the entire classic rock slot empty as well; Pat is not only competing directly against Annie Lennox and Eurythmics, but she also has to fend off Carly Simon and Dolly Parton, who complement her music in ways the Go-Go's didn't have to deal with. Based on her status as a classic rock staple, I still think she has the second best chance of all the female nominees to get in this year; but it's gonna be more of a struggle than expected.

Kate Bush: Like last year, Kate Bush has potential to win votes while also having a lot of stiff competition from the other nominees. Carly Simon and Dolly Parton seem to be fighting over the female singer-songwriter slot Carole King held last year; and honestly I think the competition helps Bush a little bit as she's distinct enough from each of them to stand out. But Bush also faces stiff competition from Beck, who holds a similar art-rock songwriter position in the industry, and both Duran Duran and Eurythmics for the British vote, all of whom had much more commercial success in the U.S. than her. Right now, I see Kate Bush in a holding pattern for another year without making it into the Hall.

Devo: We still have some momentum for keyboard and synth-based artists getting into the Hall, with Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode two years ago, then Kraftwerk getting backdoored last year. Devo is the next logical act to fulfill that role for induction into the Hall; but they still have the same drawbacks in place against them. They still have the label of "one-hit wonder" bandied about when brought up in discussions; plus this year they have two huge MTV-era bands (Duran Duran and Eurythmics) who followed their lead to bigger success. Personally, I don't see them getting in until the next time the induction ceremony hits Cleveland, and the added value of having hometown heroes at the ceremony makes them a bigger draw.

Duran Duran: Presumably, the Rock Hall remembers the reaction Simon Le Bon and Steven Taylor got from the crowd when they inducted Roxy Music. Originally written off as the boy band-equivalent of post-punk or New Wave bands from the 1980s, coasting on style and videos rather than their actual songs, the lads in Duran Duran have found themselves the beneficiaries of a long, stretched out critical reappraisal that's matched the appreciation of their music to their image. They are not a slam dunk, the way certain other legacy artists have been; but after Pat Benatar they are the second most likely MTV-era act to get in.

Eminem: The most likely slam dunk inductee this year, apart from the goodwill machine that is Dolly Parton; and arguably the first time a hip hop artist has been positioned on the ballot as a potential headliner (even Jay-Z had to contend with Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters stealing that slot). That there has been a growing backlash against Marshall Mathers and some of his lyrical content is understandable; and the fact that this year's hip hop slot will be going to a white guy doesn't help his case in terms of representation and the Rock Hall. That said, he is one of the biggest mainstream names on the ballot, and as such he will likely cruise in.

Eurythmics: One of the great successes from the '80s heyday of MTV, the two members of Eurythmics have a ton of goodwill going for them, both as a group and for their later efforts separately: Annie Lennox as a solo artist, and Dave Stewart as a producer and songwriter. Add in Lennox's iconic presence in videos, and the act seems like a slam dunk inductee. Unfortunately, a lot of their output has been overshadowed by one song ("Sweet Dreams"), which threatens to paint them with the same erroneous "one-hit wonder" label that Devo suffers from. Lennox is additionally overshadowed by both Pat Benatar, who has the same '80s iconic status as well as more songs comfortably accepted as classic rock staples, and by Kate Bush, who has a stronger alt-rock presence. With a crowded ballot, I don't see this as their year,

Judas Priest: Again, the Hall has tried to limit the heavy metal portion of the ballot to one major name, and give Judas Priest another shot with a clearer path set aside for them. Unfortunately, the same biases that have kept the harder acts from quickly getting in are still in place. With a lot of hard rock votes on this ballot likely going to Rage Against the Machine, I don't see this being the year Priest gets the nod.

Fela Kuti: I'm honestly surprised to see Fela make it onto another ballot: not because I think he's undeserving (which he absolutely is not), but I certain he would get inducted as an Influence or Musical Excellence candidate this year. Based on last year's expanded use of the side categories, I thought that lesser-known but foundational artists like Fela Kuti would be held off from getting a Performer nomination moving forward, thus freeing up a spot for artists with more mainstream recognition. I don't see things changing this year in terms of his chances: if he doesn't get in this year, one way or another, then he'll likely get backdoored in the very near future.

The MC5: After taking a year off from consideration, the MC5 find themselves in a familiar position: being one of the nominees with the least recognition value on a given year's slate. This year even finds them up against the New York Dolls, the other act the Hall's Nominating Board chose to fill this space last year. Nothing has changed for the MC5: they have credibility as a '60s political act and proto-punk outfit; but without a major push for their greater recognition outside music geek circles, they just don't have any momentum to make it this year.

New York Dolls: Another shot for these punk pioneers to get in finds them in a worse position than they had last year. Along with being placed in direct competition with the MC5, who have.a similar place in music history, the Dolls no longer have the momentum that came from earning their first nomination in decades or from the recent passing of Sylvain Sylvain. Otherwise, they face the same problems as the MC5, and will share the same results from their lack of recognition value among voters.

Dolly Parton: Look, she's getting in this year; and, like most of humanity, I have no problems with her either as a performer or a human being. That being said, I'd rather have pretty much any other artist on this year's ballot get in before she does. Out of all the genres of music connected to Rock 'n' Roll, with the possible exception of jazz, I find inducting country artists as Performers into the Rock Hall is an unnecessary luxury when there's as huge a backlog as the Hall has. There is an entire ecosystem of awards and honors in place for the country industry, for which Parton has been duly and deservedly recognized. If she needs to get into the Hall at all, put her in as an Influence, or into Musical Excellence for her songwriting and work as a collaborator; and leave her slot open for someone like Chaka Khan, Cher or solo Diana Ross, among others. But that's just my opinion, and it's all academic as she's as close to a lock as anyone outside of Eminem this year.

Rage Against the Machine: Up until this week, I just assumed RATM would be paired up with Soundgarden, and find themselves in second position against another '90s hard rock act for another year. But, surprisingly, not only did the Hall not nominate Soundgarden, but they left out any other contemporary hard rock acts from the ballot, thus giving Rage a wide open path to monopolize those voters this year. I feel like this is a deck clearing exercise for the Hall, to get an act they obviously want inducted (and honor Nominating Committee member Tom Morello), with the added value of helping get a second act that might cater to hip-hop heads (thus cushioning any objections to Eminem getting in this year). I'm not crazy about the fact, given Morello's obvious conflicts of interest; but I think this is their year.

Lionel Richie: Another longtime snub finally getting a first nomination, Richie is in a good position to see his way in this year. As a solo artist, Richie went in a decidedly pop or adult contemporary direction, which would put him on a similar level with Dionne Warwick. However, Richie also has a strong history as a songwriter for other artists, as well as his work with the Commodores (who I would have preferred seeing nominated over Richie solo), which strengthens his bonafides in comparison. On top of that, the Hall seems to have removed any other potential R&B artists from the ballot, opening the way up for him to sweep in. Richie is someone who should have been inducted years ago, either as a solo artist or with the Commodores: I see this being rectified this year.

Carly Simon: Seemingly taking up Carole King's songwriting slot from last year, Simon's case pales in comparison to hers, as she's lacking that one classic album or the history of writing for other artists that King possessed. Instead, Simon comes in more along the lines of those singer-songwriters like Laura Nyro, Bill Withers and Randy Newman, that the Hall tried to work their way through inducting a decade ago. If Simon had gotten her nomination at that point, she would have had a strong shot at getting in; this year, where she's competing against similar artists like Dolly, Dionne, Lionel, Kate Bush, and maybe even Pat Benatar and Beck, she looks to me like she'll get lost in the shuffle.

A Tribe Called Quest: The other pleasant surprise nominee this year sees hip hop's Native Tongues/Daisy Age era represented, over more recent hitmakers such as Outkast. Tribe is a solid pick, with a strong body of classic tracks, plus Q-Tip and Phife Dogg's work as solo artists and featured appearances on other artists' tracks. The Hall has yet to induct more than one hip hop artist per year; and if it comes close this year, it will only be because Rage Against the Machine manages to keep up with Eminem's votes. Tribe's nomination is a thankful recognition of their importance, and a sign they'll be back in a less crowded slate of nominees soon.

Dionne Warwick: A welcome second nomination for Dionne finds her in a nominee slate that initially looks better for her chances, given that the wealth of divas has been whittled down compared to 2021. But those appearances are likely deceiving, given the Hall's often disdainful treatment of pure pop artists. Warwick still has to attend to a number of similar artists, such as Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon; and all of those artists also have multiple credits as songwriters that lend additional credibility to their chances. The best we can hope for is an expanded slate of inductees, along with a desire to get the artists who've waited the longest to get inducted in this year: in that case, Dionne is a likely spoiler. But she is not a lock by any means.

If I picked the Hall:

Beck
Kate Bush
Devo
Fela Kuti
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick

Who I think will get in:

Pat Benatar
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Rage Against the Machine
Lionel Richie
and either Beck or Duran Duran

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:53pm


About the 2022 Nominees, Raichu wrote:
Also I just got a notification for the trailer of a new King Crimson documentary. My Early Influence senses are tingling.
Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:12pm

King Crimson is not going to be inducted in the early influence category. They've got plenty of support from the inductees who will vote for them to be inducted in the main performers category. Pink Floyd, Genesis, Rush, Yes, The Moody Blues are in! King Crimson, Jethro Tull, and Emerson, Lake & Palmer will get in right away when nominated.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 17:02pm


Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horses: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (this is their best chance so far yet)

As much as I love Lionel Richie, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy on his own, I feel that he should been nominated/inducted with The Commodores instead of his solo career. Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, but I feel that there are Male Pop Stars from that era that are more deserving of an induction than Lionel solo like Phil Collins and George Michael. So for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I think he'll get in eventually with The Commodores, but not on his own for his solo career.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 18:14pm


There is no Classic Rock on this year's ballot!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 18:27pm


Roy,

Yes, There is one Classic Rock artist on this year's ballot and that is Pat Benatar, She's got nobody else in that lane this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 18:36pm


Follower,

Didn't go for specific numbers, but I tallied up the RIAA certifications of each nominee, and uhhh yeah, there's a clear winner here. Didn't go for worldwide certifications because this is ultimately an American institution, but the numbers for Kate Bush and Fela Kuti in particular are definitely much lower than they would be if I were counting international. Doing albums first, singles will be in another post.

ALBUMS

1. Eminem
Diamond - 2 (The Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem Show)
7x Platinum - 1 (Curtain Call: The Hits)
4x Platinum - 3 (Slim Shady LP, Encore, The Marshall Mathers LP 2)
3x Platinum - 1 (Recovery)
2x Platinum - 1 (Relapse)
Platinum - 2 (Kamikaze, The Re-Up)
Gold - 3 (Revival, Music to Be Murdered By, Shady XV)

2. Lionel Richie
Diamond - 1 (Can't Slow Down)
4x Platinum - 2 (Lionel Richie, Dancing on the Ceiling)
Platinum - 3 (Tuskegee, Back to Front, The Definitive Collection)
Gold - 3 (Louder Than Words, Coming Home, Truly: The Love Songs)

3. Duran Duran
2x Platinum - 3 (Rio, Seven and the Ragged Tiger, Arena)
Platinum - 5 (Duran Duran, Notorious, The Wedding Album, Decade, Greatest)
Gold - 2 (Big Thing, Thank You)

4. Dolly Parton
2x Platinum - 1 (Once Upon a Christmas)
Platinum - 5 (Here You Come Again, Trio, Eagle When She Flies, Slow Dancing With the Moon, Greatest Hits)
Gold - 9 (Heartbreaker, Great Balls of Fire, 9 to 5 and Odd Jobs, White Limozeen, Home For Christmas, Honky Tonk Angels, Trio II, The Best of Dolly Parton, Dolly Parton)

5. Pat Benatar
4x Platinum - 1 (Crimes of Passion)
2x Platinum - 1 (Precious Time)
Platinum - 3 (Get Nervous, Live From Earth, Tropico)
Gold - 2 (Seven the Hard Way, Wide Awake in Dreamland)

6. Rage Against the Machine
3x Platinum - 2 (Rage Against the Machine, Evil Empire)
2x Platinum - 1 (The Battle of Los Angeles)
Platinum - 1 (Renegades)

7. Judas Priest
2x Platinum - 1 (Screaming For Vengeance)
Platinum - 4 (British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Turbo, Unleashed in the East)
Gold - 6 (Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Killing Machine), Point of Entry, Painkiller, Priest... Live!)

8. Carly Simon
3x Platinum - 1 (The Best of Carly Simon)
Platinum - 4 (No Secrets, Boys in the Trees, Coming Around Again, Greatest Hits Live)
Gold - 3 (Anticipation, Hotcakes, Reflections)

9. Beck
2x Platinum - 1 (Odelay)
Platinum - 1 (Mellow Gold)
Gold - 6 (Mutations, Midnite Vultures, Sea Change, Guero, The Information, Morning Phase)

10. Eurythmics
3x Platinum - 1 (Greatest Hits)
Platinum - 2 (Touch, Be Yourself Tonight)
Gold - 3 (Sweet Dreams, Revenge, Peace)

11. A Tribe Called Quest
Platinum - 3 (The Low End Theory, Midnight Marauders, Beats Rhymes and Life)
Gold - 3 (People's Instinctive Travels..., The Love Movement, We Got It From Here...)

12. Dionne Warwick
Platinum - 2 (Dionne, Heartbreaker)
Gold - 5 (Here Where There Is Love, Valley of the Dolls, Friends, A Decade of Gold, Golden Hits)

13. Devo
Platinum - 1 (Freedom of Choice)
Gold - 1 (Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo)

14. Kate Bush
Gold - 1 (The Sensual World)

15-17. Fela Kuti, MC5. New York Dolls - No RIAA Certified Albums

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 19:15pm


RG,

Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 19:17pm


SINGLES

Eminem
Diamond - 3 (Lose Yourself, Not Afraid, Love the Way You Lie)
6x Platinum - 2 (The Monster, Forever)
5x Platinum - 1 (Till I Collapse)
4x Platinum - 7 (The Real Slim Shady, Without Me, Mockingbird, When I'm Gone, No Love, Rap God, Drop the World)
3x Platinum - 4 (Like Toy Soldiers, Shake That, Berzerk, Godzilla)
2x Platinum - 10 (My Name Is, Stan, Cleanin' Out My Closet, Just Lose It, Crack a Bottle, Beautiful, Space Bound, Smack That, I Need a Doctor, Homicide)
Platinum - 12 (The Way I Am, Superman, Sing For the Moment, Ass Like That, You Don't Know, We Made You, Survival, Headlights, Best Friend, Won't Back Down, Cinderella Man, No Favors)
Gold - 15 (Guilty Conscience, 3 a.m., Guts Over Fear, Phenomenal, Kings Never Die, Kill You, Renegade, My Dad's gone Crazy, Hailie's Song, White America, 8 Mile, Cold Wind Blows, Talkin' 2 Myself, 25 to Life, Love the Way You Lie Pt. II)

Dolly Parton
2x Platinum - 4 (Jolene, 9 to 5, Islands in the Stream, When I Get Where I'm going)
Platinum - 2 (I Will Always Love You, Here You Come Again)

Lionel Richie
Platinum - 1 (Endless Love)
Gold - 4 (Truly, All Night Long, Hello, Say You Say Me)

Dionne Warwick
Gold - 4 (I Say a Little Prayer. Then Came You, I'll Never Love This Way Again, That's What Friends Are For)

Carly Simon
Gold - 4 (You're So Vain, Mockingbird, Nobody Does It Better, Jesse)

Duran Duran
Gold - 3 (Hungry Like the Wolf, The Wild Boys, Ordinary World)

Devo
Platinum - 1 (Whip It)

Pat Benatar
Gold - 2 (Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Love Is a Battlefield)

A Tribe Called Quest
Gold - 2 (Check the Rhime, Scenario)

Beck
Gold - 2 (Loser, Wow)

Eurythmics
Gold - 1 (Sweet Dreams Are Made of This)

Kate Bush, Fela Kuti, Judas Priest, Rage Against the Machine, MC5, New York Dolls - No RIAA certified singles

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 19:34pm


That's by sales, now somebody with Whitburn's book give us the charts data to see if its' any different.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 20:00pm


I think that they'll do 7 inductees this year and they'll go all out on both women and the 80's this year.

Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Eminem will be snubbed FYE just like Radiohead, I'm actually now thinking he will get snubbed although he is the most iconic name on the ballot this year besides Dolly Parton by far, He has a very abrasive image and is a controversial figure and there is a history of other artists like that (Black Sabbath, The Sex Pistols, N.W.A.) taking many nominations (granted, he is much bigger commercially than any of them), Also, he is a white rapper and the other white rappers The Beastie Boys also took several nominations as well, so I'm not sure that Eminem will have universal support from black voters and I'm also not sure how much respect he has from people before him. There are also probably people who won't vote for him because of his problematic lyrics in an era when that has become important. Additionally, I'm not sure how gung-ho the critics will go for him since it seems the standard consensus is that he was an elite artist from 1999-2002 and then remained popular with mostly garbage after that, he kind of comes off like the rap version of Weezer in that way although he was obviously much bigger than them in a pop sense. Plus, there seems to be a pattern in which Rap/Hip-Hop acts get into the Rock Hall and it goes like this:

2007: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2008.
2009: Run-DMC
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2010 and 2011.
2012: The Beastie Boys
2013: Public Enemy
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2014 and 2015.
2016: N.W.A.
2017: Tupac Shakur
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2018 and 2019.
2020: The Notorious B.I.G.
2021: Jay-Z and LL Cool J.

Yes, I now really do think that Eminem will miss out this year and I'm surprised more people aren't predicting it.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 20:17pm


"There are also probably people who won't vote for him because of his problematic lyrics in an era when that has become important. Additionally, I'm not sure how gung-ho the critics will go for him since it seems the standard consensus is that he was an elite artist from 1999-2002 and then remained popular with mostly garbage after that, he kind of comes off like the rap version of Weezer in that way although he was obviously much bigger than them in a pop sense."

Nice job of plagiarizing what Sean posted on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 - 16:42pm

Posted by joker on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 20:53pm


Duran Duran just made it to second place.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 20:55pm


Hey Richie

I'm gonna put this out here again cause I've said it a few times including to you: Eminem was the best selling artist of the 2000s and best selling male artist 2010s in both the US and Worldwide. Not best selling rapper. Best selling overall artist. He's not a simple rap nominee and he's not like Radiohead, he was legit the biggest pop star on the planet for a long, long time.

Elton John went in first year eligible, Madonna went in first year eligible, Prince went in first year eligible. None of those are what you'd traditionally call rock but all towered over their decades, when you are as big as Eminem odds are you are going in as soon as possible.

You compare Eminem to Weezer but the better comparison is Metallica: Metallica had great acclaim, Metallica became massive, Metallica started releases critically derided works but maintained popularity, Metallica is from a genre the hall looks down on, Metallica went in first year on the ballot.

Beyond that you mention black voters but Eminem is incredibly respected by various black publications and outlets including XXL, The Source, BET, Complex, and most importantly Ebony. He's seen as deeply respecting those who came before him like Run-DMC (watch his speech when he inducted them and compare it to Jay's when he inducted Grandmaster Flash) and LL Cool J, has the respect of guys like Dr. Dre, Ice Cube (who has talked about how Eminem stole the show when they toured together), and Jay-Z, helped the rise of various black artists like 50 Cent and Drake, influenced Kendrick, Tyler, Frank Ocean, and Rihanna, and has been one of the most vocal white voices when it comes to championing not only black culture but also black issues. What makes you think he'll have no support there?

Going back to him being the biggest male artist of the 2010s. Why would that not matter to voters who often want to have the hall be relevant?

Yes there is a chance he misses but it's like a 1% chance.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 21:15pm


mat r,

I know that Eminem should be an FYE lock/shoo-in based on all of his success and accomplishments, but I just don't see it, I just think that he's too much of a controversial figure to go in right away, he'll be like Black Sabbath, The Sex Pistols and N.W.A. (who also have an abrasive image) in taking several nominations to get in, The Beastie Boys (also white rappers) also took several nominations to get in as well, Also, I forgot to mention this, but there also may very well be Rap fatigue in the voting body that still isn't 100% sold on the genre and there seems to be a pattern in which Rap/Hip-Hop acts get into the Rock Hall and it goes like this:

2007: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2008.
2009: Run-DMC
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2010 and 2011.
2012: The Beastie Boys
2013: Public Enemy
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2014 and 2015.
2016: N.W.A.
2017: Tupac Shakur
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2018 and 2019.
2020: The Notorious B.I.G.
2021: Jay-Z and LL Cool J

So yeah, I really do think that Eminem will miss out this year just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and I'm surprised more people aren't predicting it.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 21:40pm


Follower,

I actually do have the number of Billboard Top 40 Hits per artist:

Eminem - 43 (52 including features)
Dionne Warwick - 31
Lionel Richie - 16
Duran Duran - 15
Pat Benatar - 15
Carly Simon - 13
Eurythmics - 10
Dolly Parton - 9
Beck - 1 (Loser)
Kate Bush - 1 (Running Up That Hill)
Devo - 1 (Whip It)
A Tribe Called Quest - 0
Fela Kuti - 0
Judas Priest - 0
New York Dolls - 0
Rage Against the Machine - 0
MC5 - 0

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 22:24pm


And the average number of monthly listeners on Spotify:

Eminem - 46,689,267

Dolly Parton - 10,204,880
Lionel Richie - 8,802,137
Eurythmics - 8,336,646
Rage Against the Machine - 7,711,602
Duran Duran - 6,429,616
Beck - 5,165,273

A Tribe Called Quest - 3,947,802
Carly Simon - 3,945,517
Judas Priest - 3,449,560
Kate Bush - 3,302,541
Dionne Warwick - 3,065,902

Devo - 1,391,599

Fela Kuti - 544,098
New York Dolls - 276,154
MC5 - 192,480

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 22:38pm


Greg F,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 23:30pm


If I can manage it tonight, I'll break down my thoughts on each nominee. Otherwise, it'll be tomorrow

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 00:09am


Hey Richie

I don't think rap fatigue would apply to him because again he has sold more records in the last 20 years than anyone else in any genre. He is not there to be the rap nominee, he is there because he's the pop mega star.

"He's controversial." Yea 20 years ago and in 2020 former US president Barrack Obama said the following: "When I needed some inspiration on the presidential campaign I often turned to music. It was rap that got my head in the right place. Two songs especially: Jay-Z's 'My 1st Song' and Eminem's 'Lose Yourself'. Both were about defying the odds and putting it all on the line"

If we were talking Kayne I could see it but Eminem in 2022 is a pretty uncontroversial figure. The homophobia might come up but he's got defenders like Elton John voting and talking to other voters.

Also again, Madonna, who wasn't from the rock space and equally controversial 20 years prior to her first time on the ballot (like hell the Sex book came out a little of 15 years prior to it), got in first year.

I feel like you're looking for that 1 in 100000 shot that blocks, and there is one somewhere, but everything you're finding is pretty weak so far in my opinion.

I'll put it this way, him not going in first year would be like Lebron James or Sidney Crosby not going into their hall of fames first year. It would be totally shocking in a way that would probably cause CNN, Fox, and BBC to discuss the hall and how weird the snub is

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 00:17am


I think all of you are overestimating Lionel Richie's induction chances, I feel that a lot of voters are going to look at him as who should have been nominated with The Commodores instead of on his own, despite him being a beloved figure in the music industry and having huge name recognition and star power. I just don't see him getting inducted this year (let alone ever) on his own, but I do see him getting inducted with The Commodores eventually.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 00:54am


Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem
16. Rage Against The Machine
15. MC5
14. New York Dolls
13. Fela Kuti
12. A Tribe Called Quest
11. Devo
10. Judas Priest
09. Beck
08. Dolly Parton
07. Dionne Warwick
06. Lionel Richie
05. Pat Benatar
04. Eurythmics
03. Kate Bush
02. Carly Simon
01. Duran Duran

Who I will vote for:

1, 2, 4 and 5 each and every time and the 5th slot will be alternating between 3, 6, 7 and 8.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 05:57am


K-Dawg,
Good to see you on the Nominee forum. I wanted to break down my thoughts on each nominee. Each year I tend to break it up in 2 parts.
Beck: He is hugely creative and deserving. I think he may make it. It's possible I don't listen to him much.at all. I know an album called Odelay. That seems to be his breakthrough.
Pat Benatar: I am sure glad to see Pat Benatar get another nomination. Pat Benatar: I'm reasonably sure she'll get in this year, but I wouldn't place her as a 100% lock. Last year, the Go-Go's not only had the female rock slot all too themselves, but they virtually had the entire classic rock slot empty as well; Pat is competing slightly against Eurythmics who have Annie Lennox. Based on her status as a classic rock staple, I think she has a really good chance.
Kate Bush: Kate Bush has potential to win votes while also having a lot of stiff competition from the other nominees. Carly Simon and Dolly Parton seem to be fighting over the female singer-songwriter slot this year. Right now, I see Kate Bush Not getting inducted. Maybe some other time.


Devo: We still have some momentum for keyboard and synth-based artists getting into the Hall, with Depeche Mode two years ago, then Kraftwerk getting Special category last year. Devo is the next logical act to fulfill that role for induction into the Hall; but they still have the same drawbacks in place against them. They still have the label of "one-hit wonder" on them when brought up in discussions; plus this year they have two huge MTV-era bands (Duran Duran and Eurythmics) who had much bigger success. Personally, I don't see them getting in that soon.

Duran Duran: Presumably, the Rock Hall remembers the reaction Simon Le Bon and Steven Taylor got from the crowd when they inducted Roxy Music. Originally written off as the commercial version of post-punk or New Wave bands from the 1980s, relying on style and videos rather than their actual songs, the lads in Duran Duran have found themselves the beneficiaries of a long, stretched out comeback.

Eminem: The most likely sure thing inductee this year, I have still Not heard any of his stuff. But I know this is arguably the first time a hip hop artist has been positioned on the ballot as a potential headliner. That there has been a growing backlash against Marshall Mathers and some of his lyrical content is understandable; and the fact that this year's hip hop slot will be going to a white guy doesn't help his case in terms of representation and the Rock Hall. He is one of the biggest and Most known names on Ballot.


. Eurythmics: One of the great successes from the '80s heyday of MTV, the two members of Eurythmics have a ton of popularity both as a group and for their later efforts separately: Annie Lennox as a solo artist, and Dave Stewart as a producer and songwriter. Add in Lennox's iconic presence in videos, and the act seems like a slam dunk inductee. Unfortunately, a lot of their output has been overshadowed by one song ("Sweet Dreams"), and I got to admit thats the song I know best. Also overshadowed by both Pat Benatar, who has the same '80s iconic status as well as more songs in Mainstream rock. and by Kate Bush, who has a stronger alt-rock presence. With a crowded ballot, I don't see this as the year for them.

That's it for Now. I always break these thoughts up into 2 parts.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 06:15am


Judas Priest: Again, the Hall has tried to limit the heavy metal portion of the ballot to one major name, and give Judas Priest another shot with a clearer path set aside for them. There is still biases but this could be the year for Priest and maybe NOT Rage Against TM.

Fela Kuti: I'm NOT surprised to see Fela make it onto another ballot. I am certain he would get inducted as an Early Influence or Musical Excellence candidate this year. Based on last year's expanded use of the side categories, I thought that lesser-known but influential artists like Fela Kuti would be held off from getting a Performer nomination moving forward. But it will be customary for some artists to be attempted as a Performer and then get inducted into a Special Category. This happened last year I think.

The MC5: After taking a year off as a nominee the MC5 find themselves in a familiar position: being one of the nominees with the least recognition value on a given year's slate. This year they are back: they have credibility as a '60s political act and proto-punk outfit; but without a major push for their greater recognition outside small music circles they just don't have any chance to make it this year.

I break these thoughts up. Again That's it for Now. Later

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 07:37am


RG

Were you including like Commodores, D12, and Bad Meets Evil in those numbers?

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 08:21am


RG

Sorry to clarify: The number of Top 40 singles

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 08:33am


Ha actually I did 2 parts for my thoughts on Nominees. This is Part 3 for my thoughts on the Nominees. I will Now continue.

New York Dolls: Another shot for these punk pioneers to get in finds them in a worse position than they had last year. Along with being placed in direct competition with the MC5, who have a similar place in music history, the Dolls no longer have the momentum that came in the past. They have very little chance. I would predict them in a Special category but I have others I'm predicting.

Dolly Parton: Look, she's getting in this year; and, like most of humanity, I have no problems with her either as a performer or a human being. I'd rather see others get in. Out of all the genres of music connected to Rock 'n' Roll, with the possible exception of jazz, I find inducting country artists as Performers into the Rock Hall is a waste. There is an entire Awards show in place for the country industry, for which Parton has been duly and deservedly recognized. If she needs to get into the Hall at all, put her in as an Early Influence, or into Musical Excellence for her songwriting and work as a collaborator; and leave her slot open for someone like solo Diana Ross, among others. But I do predict she will be Inducted this year. It's an extra slot for a woman.
Rage Against the Machine: Up until this week, I just assumed RATM would be paired up with Soundgarden, and find themselves in second position against another '90s hard rock act for another year. But, surprisingly, not only did the Hall not nominate Soundgarden, but they left out any other Alternative hard rock acts from the ballot, thus giving Rage a wide open path to monopolize those voters this year. I feel like this is a deck clearing exercise for the Hall, to get an act they obviously want inducted. I'm not crazy about Morello's obvious conflicts of interest; but I think this is their year to be inducted

Lionel Richie: Another longtime snub finally getting a first nomination, Richie is in a good position to see his way in this year. As a solo artist, Richie went in a decidedly pop or adult contemporary direction, which would put him on a similar level with Dionne Warwick. However, Richie also has a strong history as a songwriter for other artists, as well as his work with the Commodores (who I I expected to be nominated over Richie solo), which strengthens On top of that, I have noticed the Hall seems to have removed any other potential R&B artists from the ballot, opening the way up for him to slide in. Richie is someone who should have been inducted years ago, either as a solo artist or with the Commodores: I see this as happening.

Carly Simon: Seemingly taking up Carole King's songwriting slot from last year, Simon's case pales in comparison to hers, as she's lacking that one classic album or the history of writing for other artists that King possessed. But she has a large body of Work. If Simon had gotten her nomination long ago she would have had a strong shot at getting in; This year she has an even better chance. She has been a key singer/songwriter for decades.

A Tribe Called Quest: An interesting surprise nominee this year sees hip hop's early 90s era represented, over more recent hitmakers such as Outkast. Tribe is a solid pick, with a Rap act I actually like a little bit. They are innovative and important.


Dionne Warwick: A welcome second nomination for Dionne finds her in a nominee slate that initially looks better for her chances, given that the wealth of divas has been whittled down compared to 2021. But it is representation for the 1960s. Warwick does have a bunch of competition this year. I predicted her and was correct. But I highly doubt she is inducted as Performer. I predict her as Early Influence. I predicted her as both. Last there was picks attempted as Performer and went to Special categories. Thats the case her I think.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 09:30am


http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/top_artists/t0.htm
For the past two induction classes, The voters seem to be favoring the more critically acclaimed acts but also popular with name recognition as well, Here's the 2020 nominees in order of critical acclaim:

Kraftwerk are at #52
Depeche Mode are at #117
T. Rex are at #151
Nine Inch Nails are at #160
The Notorious B.I.G. is at #184
Soundgarden are at #266
Motorhead are at #291
MC5 are at #292
Todd Rundgren is at #309
Thin Lizzy are at #323
Whitney Houston is at #436
Judas Priest are at #685
The Doobie Brothers are at #879
Rufus & Chaka Khan are at #1117
Pat Benatar is at #1502
Dave Matthews Band is at #1548

Here's the 2021 nominees in order of critical acclaim:

Jay-Z is at #36
Kate Bush is at #91
Foo Fighters are at #195
Carole King is at #227
Rage Against The Machine are at #239
LL Cool J is at #289
Iron Maiden are at #296
Todd Rundgren is at #309
New York Dolls are at #311
Devo are #356
Mary J. Blige is at #410
Fela Kuti is at #498
Dionne Warwick is at #537
Tina Turner is at #632
The Go-Go's are at #769
Chaka Khan is at #1265

And now, Here's the 2022 nominees in order of critical acclaim:

Beck is at #46
Kate Bush is at #91
Eminem is at #104
A Tribe Called Quest are at #116
Rage Against The Machine are at #239
MC5 are at #292
New York Dolls are at #311
Eurythmics are at #344
Devo are at #356
Duran Duran are at #357
Dolly Parton is at #425
Fela Kuti is at #498
Dionne Warwick is at #537
Judas Priest are at #685
Carly Simon is at #1041
Lionel Richie is at #1091
Pat Benatar is at #1502

It seems that the voters are favoring the more critically acclaimed acts but also popular with name recognition as well in terms of the past two induction classes and I expect that this will continue this year as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 09:50am


I know somebody posted this a while ago, but I am too lazy to look.

Who are the acts that have finished in the top 5 of the fan vote but have not gotten in yet? I'm thinking there are about 6 or so. Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, Dave Matthews and Soundgarden are the ones off the top of my head.

Posted by remy10 on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 11:55am


Hey richie

I feel the acclaim factor is a big thing and I think Beck should have an edge there. However when he won "album of the year" at the Grammys Twitter lit up with "who is beck?" and Kanye hijacked the moment. What is traditionally one of the biggest moments for an artist got completely ruined for him i think a lot of voters will remember that he got up staged and became a bit of a punchline then and his win over Bjork, St. Vincent, and Artic Monkeys a few years ago was met with a grunt from music press. He's also suffered a decline in recent years, Odelay went from 9 to 19 on Pitchfork's top 90s list and 306 to 424 on Rolling Stone's top 500 (sea change dropped off). He's also seemingly less influential than many of his contemporaries (eg Green Day, Bjork, and Weezer). That said "Loser" and "Where It's At" are a quite celebrated singles to this day and staples of radio.

I think he will benefit but he could be met with a meh

Kate Bush is the interesting one because seemingly every year her influence and acclaim grows. Of course she lacks the US success but as voters read about the new generation of more somewhat traditional rock stars like Phoebe Bridgers and Mitski rise and they see constant comparisons to Kate Bush I think that could have an impact on the vote. Also their kids and grandkids making TikToks to "Running Up That Hill" and "Wuthering Heights".

And again, I know you don't think it's going to happen, we have Eminem. This guy is in a very, very, very good place to go in.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 11:57am


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W. K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my predictions on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think this is their best chance yet so far)

As much as I love Lionel Richie, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy on his own, I feel that he should have been nominated with The Commodores instead of his solo career. Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, but I feel that there are other Male Pop Stars from that era that are more deserving of an induction than Lionel solo like Phil Collins and George Michael. So for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I think he'll get in eventually with The Commodores, but not on his own for his solo career.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 12:29pm


Mat R,

Nope, I just included singles released under the name they were nominated under, so solo hits and features/duets. I'm sure including Commodores would bump Lionel up quite a bit.

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 12:55pm


Richie, I will be flabbergasted if Eminem isn't inducted. Him being white helps, IMO.

That said, I think he is a deserving FYE inductee.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 13:16pm


Richie, I have seen Mr. Ritchie in concert (set at Bonnaroo a few years ago)) and he is a star. He has alot of great songs and is a deserving inductee on his own. I do wish he'd been nominated with The Commodores, but he wasn't and that should not be held against him.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 13:24pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W, K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 13:56pm


Ok so I'm looking at the current standings on the main hall site, and Eminem is in 2nd place. Combined with the tweet about fans taking the bait in the twitter feed has left me confused. Is there something I missed here?

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 14:33pm


I looked at Casper's post from last year and it turns out we have another chart vs. sales difference. Sales-wise, Eminem is the biggest albums act. Chart-wise, it's Dionne Warwick. (She's # 72, he's # 128) Now I'd like to see the Singles chart for both of them.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 14:38pm


Raichu,

FLR still thinks that the Fan Vote is less important than it really is. If it was as unimportant as he says it is, then the 2020 results would have been common rather than an outliner.

In his mind, people voting in the fan poll are "taking the bait" since it doesn't matter as much as the Hall promotes it (but it matters more than FLR gives it credit for. Again, every year aside from 2020 at least 3 of the top 5, including the winner, has been inducted.)

However, I do think 3 of FLR's 5 ideas are good. I don't like "End it after one week" or "vote once per e-mail address", but I do like "Require everyone to vote for 5 artists", "Allow voters to opt-out of marketing emails" and "Be clear and upfront about how much it counts".

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 14:45pm


Sorry for the triple post, but Carly Simon (#97) is also ahead of Eminem as an albums act chart wise.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 14:48pm


Follower,
That doesn't really answer my question of why Eminem is doing so well. Judging from past fan votes, rappers don't do that well in those. Tribe is evidence to that hy being in 12th place (tho that is better than something like last year where the 3 rap nominees were the in the bottom 3)

Also who is FLR?

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 14:56pm


Raichu,

FLR is the master of this website and the guy who makes many of those tweets. As for why Eminem is now in first place, it's because he's huge. Biggest Albums and Singles act by sales, most monthly Spotify listeners, top selling artist in two different decades, and general acclaim. He also does a better job at getting non-rockists to vote than Jay-Z did.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:01pm


Accidently said FLR instead of FRL. Future Rock Legends.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:03pm


Follower,
This may sound dumb, but could another reason he's doing better be because he's white?

I'm not trying to make this a race thing but it is a good point to bring up

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:04pm


Raichu,

You could be right. Many people invested in the rock hall have a "Modern Black Music isn't Rock and Roll" mindset.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:20pm


Nominating Lionel Richie before the Commodores isn't only disrespectful to the group, it's another case of the RRHOF failure to include complete acts, much like Steve Miller, Bob Marley, Bob Seger, and Paul McCartney (talking about Wings, not the Beatles, obviously). Picking off the cherry from the ice cream sundae doesn't complete the nomination...

That said, he is a worthy nominee...just should've gone the other way first and try to help that underrepresented 70s R and B/Soul/Funk genre...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:26pm


I don't think Richie was actually arguing Eminem won't get in. I think somebody was for some reason posting my post under Richie's name for some reason, even though I definitely don't think Richie himself would have plagiarized my post. Perhaps I was too strident. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he gets in but I do think a lot of his ballot rivals will make it difficult for him because so many of the white members of the hall are members of '60s and '70s rock groups who I think would say "over my dead body" to his candidacy. Will anyone from The Hollies or Deep Purple or KISS or Journey etc... vote for him? It seems unlikely. And I think the black voters would strongly prefer to vote for Tribe and maybe Richie and Warwick, while the white rock voters would prefer their peers first and probably Beck and RATM among the '90s acts. I'm probably overstating the current influence of the Eddie Trunk contingent and I'm probably wrong and his popularity probably is enough to carry him, but this ballot is kind of awful for him since I don't think most of the white voters will vote for rappers and I think most of the black voters will prefer Tribe instead. Critics and industry people likely will go for Eminem though so yeah, I'm probably wrong.

The act that seems to occupy the closest cultural space to Eminem IMO when considering popularity, critical acclaim, length of cultural dominance, and even image seems to be not any rap act but Guns N' Roses. They were both extremely popular and extremely critically acclaimed over a short three year period (1988-91 for GNR and 1999-2002 for Eminem) and then one of them stopped recording and the other one continued to have hits that most people didn't care about much. Axl and Eminem were both homophobic and sexist in their prime, but have become more progressive recently. Eminem was certainly much more influential as I don't think GNR is very high on influence since they emerged at the tail end of the hair metal movement and I struggle to think of any critically acclaimed artists they influenced except for Manic Street Preachers. But for as much as the early users on this site in the late 2000s went on about influence and innovation being the main factors for induction, that never really seemed to be the case. It seems induction comes down to popularity + critical acclaim + industry respect. GNR was first ballot because they had all three of those things even though they didn't really have much influence (unless you want to say they paved the way for grunge or something by diminishing the cultural respect of the other hair metal acts.) Eminem also has those three things, but the difference is that GNR burned out and you can just ignore Chinese Democracy if you want since people basically quickly forgot about it, while it's probably harder to ignore 20 years of mediocrity especially when his mediocre stuff was generally more popular than GNR's mediocre stuff. Also, obviously the '60s and '70s guitar rockers liked GNR and I suspect they don't like Eminem, but I may be wrong. Yes, people mentioned that Elton John was a big fan (actually of both of them which is shocking since Axl and Eminem were both homophobes at the time.) I just think there's still going to be a large contingent of voters who are going to say "over my dead body" and I just remember that the Beastie Boys didn't get in on their first attempt either so I think white rappers have it harder in the voting body than black ones (maybe I'm also overestimating Beck for this reason.)

Obviously Eminem is leading the fan vote because he is the only person on this list still having pop hits. The "extremely online" people on the Internet tend to be young and for them Eminem is an icon. Is Eminem as much of an icon to '60s, '70s, and '80s artists? I'm definitely guessing not. But yeah, I did kind of forget about the fact that there are many industry insiders on the vote and they'll go for him. Probably he can cobble together enough of a coalition between critics, industry insiders, and some white and black voters to push him over the line but I definitely do not think he will be the top vote-getter (I actually think that will be Lionel Richie.) If either Beck or Tribe wasn't on the ballot or if the ballot voters were millennials/zoomers instead of boomers/Gen X, I agree Eminem would be a 100% lock, but just not seeing that with these voters. But yeah, I admit I was too strident and probably wrong. I do think I made a good case for what his liabilities were with this voting body though.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:31pm


Eminem is number one now! That's incredible! Dude is breaking records left and right on this fan poll.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:38pm


"I feel the acclaim factor is a big thing and I think Beck should have an edge there. However when he won "album of the year" at the Grammys Twitter lit up with "who is beck?" and Kanye hijacked the moment. What is traditionally one of the biggest moments for an artist got completely ruined for him i think a lot of voters will remember that he got up staged and became a bit of a punchline then and his win over Bjork, St. Vincent, and Artic Monkeys a few years ago was met with a grunt from music press. He's also suffered a decline in recent years, Odelay went from 9 to 19 on Pitchfork's top 90s list and 306 to 424 on Rolling Stone's top 500 (sea change dropped off). He's also seemingly less influential than many of his contemporaries (eg Green Day, Bjork, and Weezer). That said "Loser" and "Where It's At" are a quite celebrated singles to this day and staples of radio."

While Grammy choices are always random and pretty meaningless, I do think winning the Grammy for Album of the Year is a good indicator for how much industry respect you have, which is also a good reflection of an artist's chances (again, why I think Richie is a strong contender since he's also won it.) Obviously the album Beck won his Grammy for was not one of his most iconic albums and it was really a make-up for previous work they hadn't recognized, which they do all the time (Steely Dan, Santana, Eric Clapton, Nirvana winning their only Grammy for the Unplugged album...) But I really do not think any of the Hall voters give two hoots about whether people on Twitter have heard of the artists they'd vote for. They'd probably actually be proud to induct somebody that Twitter users would sneer at.

Rock certainly lost significant influence in the mainstream from Beck's heyday until now which is what that mainly reflects but I think it's hard to say that rock has lost significant influence amongst the people who comprise the Voting Committee.

Richie was chosen over the Commodores probably because they think it will be easier to get him in that way, and that's probably true. I totally think Richie is getting in on this nomination and I totally think the Commodores wouldn't. And I don't think you could just do "Lionel Richie and the Commodores" to cover the whole thing because unlike Rufus featuring Chaka Khan, they were never billed that way. The Rock Hall has always preferred soloists over groups if the singer was bigger than the group was and that's unlikely to change, especially when considering TODAY's pop scene when almost all the big stars are solo artists. So sadly, Richie will get in and the Commodores don't even though both deserve it, George Michael will get in and Wham! won't (Wham! doesn't deserve it though), Justin Timberlake will get in and NSYNC won't (and obviously they don't deserve it), and Beyonce will get in and Destiny's Child probably won't (although I think they have the best chance of the groups mentioned here.)

Posted by Sean on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:43pm


Honestly, Eminem came out when the "gen x" ( I hate generational labels sometimes) were very much impressionable by music in the late 90s. I think he skates in with a huge top vote because anyone born after 1970 recognizes him and his signiilficance

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:45pm


What percentage of the Voting Committee was born after 1970? It's got to be less than 10%.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:49pm


I just noticed:

This year, we don't really have a successor to the Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfner/Brian Eno/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl streak of "well respected members of lesser bands" trend.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:50pm


Follower,

I think that Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart fill this year's Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfler/Brian Eno & Bryan Ferry/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl slot of well-respected members of a band or a group/duo.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:55pm


"This year, we don't really have a successor to the Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfner/Brian Eno/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl streak of "well respected members of lesser bands" trend."

I think that's Lionel Richie. The Rock Hall establishment clearly views the Commodores as a lesser band if they haven't nominated him yet. Richie is the guy who will be carried by his industry connections. Like I said, he wrote "We Are the World" and so much rock royalty was on that...

Posted by Sean on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:57pm


Plebeian,

Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:07pm


So, I made a what-if fan vote based off of this year's nominees in a Google form. Changes include:
Changing the number of nominees from 17 to 20
Removing Carly Simon, Lionel Richie, MC5, Devo, and Kate Bush
In their place are Meat Loaf, The Monkees, The Commodores, Slade, Cher, Soundgarden, Warren Zevon, and Fiona Apple

Here's the link to the form if anyone is intrested: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSefUWI-gDsBhLGCaWMnKwgEdcdCIyz175y4hePCxJ6VVfmD2g/viewform?usp=sf_link

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:14pm


Dont use the form link, its in multiple choice which only lets you pick one option instead of 7. My original comment explaining this didn't go through due to spam fsr.

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:39pm


Didn't I already give you mine, Richie?

Anyway

Eminem (sure-Fire and fan vote winner)
Dolly Parton (just a recognizable figure in music in general)
Duran Duran (may vote split with other new wave acts, but prevail in commercial success)
Rage Against The Machine (Not cause I LOVE them [I really do], but because 1) the ceremony is in L.A., 2) debut turns 30 this year, and 3) Almost a clear lane to themselves. Plus possibly so Morello can finally stop clogging the 90s rock block)
Pat Benatar (Classic Rock pick of the bunch)
Judas Priest (Probably combined with Rage to get Metal love for the Hall)

Dark horses/wild cards:

Lionel Richie (Has the commercial appeal, but lacks the overall critical love. However, every black voter may rally for him)
Beck (Opposite of Richie, though more respected compared to him)
Carly Simon (Unlike King, Newman, and funny enough her ex-husband James Taylor, she lacks a essential album for her and critical love for me to consider seriously. Though she has a clear lane of sorts.)


RG, K-Dawg, Richie, Michael W., Etc.
Your thoughts?

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:41pm


Ok. Here are my early predictions for induction:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:42pm


Ok the response method in the google form has been changed from multiple choice to check boxes. It should be good to go now.

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:50pm


While most years at least 3 of the Top 5 in the Fan Vote gets in, including last year. Sometimes four get in (2019), but never all five. Of the current top 5 (Eminem-Pat Benatar-Duran Duran-Dolly Parton-Eurythmics) who do you guys think is the most likely to not get inducted?

Of those five, I would say Eurythmics since they aren't a new nomination like Duran Duran, Dolly, or Em, and less people are calling them a snub than Pat.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 18:24pm


Follower,

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this will be the first year that all of the top five acts in the fan vote (Eminem, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Dolly Parton and Eurythmics) get in, If there was ever a year that all of the top five acts in the fan vote get in in the same year, it's this year with Eminem, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Dolly Parton and Eurythmics.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 18:42pm


hey sean

I agree voters probably won't give a hoot but I think there is a chance some remember that and might think "wow what a loser" or maybe the gotta keep the hall relevant voters sees it and thinks "not now" and not vote for him. I think it's unlikely but I wouldn't be shocked if it comes up.

Now regarding this:

"Rock certainly lost significant influence in the mainstream from Beck's heyday until now which is what that mainly reflects but I think it's hard to say that rock has lost significant influence amongst the people who comprise the Voting Committee."

I don't know if I agree the rock thing is a factor cause simply put Beck isn't really rock but straight up an alternative artist who like rap and country, most of his big tracks did poor on rock radio, and with that I think Beck is likely to be seen as a singer-songwriter contender rather than a rock star contender by a lot of voters. I know people him being in competition with Eminem or Rage has been mentioned but he might be in competition with Carly Simon as well despite the generation gap.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 19:01pm


To update mine

Locks
-Eminem

Near Locks
-Dolly Parton
-Duran Duran
-Lionel Richie
-Dionne Warwick

Fighting for #6
- Judas Priest
- Pat Benatar
- Carly Simon

Outsiders who could shock
- Kate Bush
- A Tribe Called Quest
- Devo
- Beck

Will get Early Influence: MC5 or Fela Kuti

Will get Award for Musical Excellence: Devo or Kate Bush or Fela Kuti

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 19:34pm


Here is my what-if ballot link from earlier for those that missed it: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSefUWI-gDsBhLGCaWMnKwgEdcdCIyz175y4hePCxJ6VVfmD2g/viewform?usp=sf_link

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 19:44pm


RG, Greg F and Raichu,

Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 20:20pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 23:12pm


Okay...here is some thoughts on each of the nominees...

Eminem - Yes, I get that he's "white". Yes, he is as controversial a choice for the RRHOF since arguably the Sex Pistols, who call it a "piss stain". All the controversy surrounding Marshal Mathers, his influence and legend cannot be understated. The man is as much iconic to the past 24 years or so as any other musician. He will, and should, go in on his FYE.

A Tribe Called Quest - A forgotten pioneer in rap. On the same pantheon as NWA and Public Enemy, not as polarizing. Along with Wu-Tang, probably these 4 put rap on the map. Curious as to why it's been so long for them to get any mention. Sadly, a minimal chance to get in this year, and probably for a few years as more visible hip hop artists become eligible or the next in line.

Duran Duran - It's been a decade or more since they were first eligible, and the RRHOF has taken its time piecing in the story of the 80s mainstream music. It is the LeBon/Taylor show's turn to see the bright lights of Canton. I predict they will skate in as one of the easy picks. Their sound blends so much of the 80s. It's mainstream catchy, yet synth and the sound are very new wave, yet they are enduring and constantly change their style.

Carly Simon - I was one of the minority who had Carly in their predictions, and my reasoning is simple. The Hall is trying to get all the 60s and 70s folk and singer/songwriting females taken care of. "You're So Vain" is one of the symbolic songs of the 70s. I don't see her path as clear as it could be, but she has the same voters that Carole King and Joan Baez have had in recent years. It won't be long.

Dionne Warwick - Dionne is a very gifted singer and definitely a fan favorite in recent years. I just see too many obstacles in her way to be inducted any time soon. Truthfully, I'm stunned she got another nomination this year. There is a contingent that may support her, but she has to compete against other females and other rb/soul types.

Judas Priest - Such a tough call. The committee did their damnedest to get Priest minimal competition, as Pat Benatar is the only other real rock purist option on this ballot, but I still don't know if their support is there. Time is of the essence for the early metal bands, because they have a real chance to get leapfrogged by 90s and 00s nu metal and other subgenres really quick. Pantera and Linkin Park, I'm talking about you...so this one is a 50/50

Dolly Parton - A very surprising pick, and yet not a shocker all in one. Willie Nelson figured to be the next country star after Johnny Cash, and he should have been nominated given his age and health conditions this year, but I get there is a movement to get more female inclusion. I think, by sheer star power, Dolly will probably get a nod to enter Cleveland this year.

Beck - His influence is undeniable. Back in the 90s, we weren't sure what to do with him. Was he rap? Was he techno or pop? Was he alternative? He was a bit of everything;he really was the definition of "alternative" by the mid 90s. One year he will get in, I just don't think it's there for him yet with such a diverse ballot.

Eurythmics - Yes, Duran Duran and Devo are on this list. New wave is well represented here. What sets apart Annie and Dave from other acts in the same vein is their sheer starpower, connections in the industry, and contributions to so many artists and genres. They are vastly influential in their own rights separately, together they are a slam dunk for the Hall. I think they have a good chance of entering the gates this year. Not guaranteed, but they are on the top of the hopefuls

Devo - I will be honest. I don't know a ton of Devo's backstory, and Whip It takes most of my knowledge of their library. They seem to be a very talented group. They are overshadowed this year; I don't know it they make the Hall or just become a perennial MC5 or Rufus. Which brings us to...

New York Dolls - Very talented and influential. However, their route to the Hall rests in Early Influence. I think that's why the were nommed this year, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them enter the side door here.

Lionel Richie - I have made my feelings quite clear that this should've been the Commodores slot. My opinion aside, his influence cannot be ignored, and he's another one of the huge stars of the pop laden 80s. "All NIght Long" on its own is one of the greatest songs ever written and I don't feel gets enough love. He has a good chance to enter the RRHOF this year, but he faces a logjam in his genre that could split the vote.

Kate Bush - She just keeps running up that hill. (Sorry couldn't resist). Kate is someone who should be way more famous than she is. She definitely belongs, and if the RRHOF weren't so Americentric, she would be. I think she falls short this year.

Rage Against the Machine - Again. 4 years, and I think we've predicted them at least 3 of them to finally go in on their merits and Tom Morello's connections. They need to go in, so we can get all these other 90s rock bands going because at this point, all Rage is doing is stealing a spot from other bands. I cautiously will say this is their year finally. I won't guarantee it though

MC5 - a perennial bridesmaid. They will be just another name, another year.

Fela Kuti - He is definitely influential and innovative. But he is ME material.

Thoughts? I don't have complete knowledge of every single act, although for the majority of them I am pretty well versed. Thanks for reading, all!

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 03:55am


Sorry, just realized I left out Pat Benatar...

Pat Benatar - She has the rock contingent. She has the female contingent. Why wasn't she elected 2 years ago? It's a toss up for sure, and she is on the fringe. She has as much of a question mark as Judas Priest this year. I just don't know

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 04:01am


Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem
16. Rage Against The Machine
15. MC5
14. New York Dolls
13. Fela Kuti
12. A Tribe Called Quest
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent)
01. Duran Duran (prog)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick, or Dolly Parton (depending on what day it is).

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 04:03am


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 04:26am


Great, diverse list. One big hope is that the main performers ballot doesn't end up all white, which could be a danger of happening. I'm hoping Lionel and Dionne both break through. Lionel at least, I feel pretty safe about. But even just having one feels tokenistic.

Anyway, Dolly I feel like, is so beloved, that she's a lock. Hopefully her induction opens up the doors for Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline and Gram Parsons.

Rooting the most for Carly Simon to get in. Once she does, hopefully Warren Zevon can finally get a nod. And that'll complete the 70s singer-songwriter set for me. Give or take a Croce or Nilsson. But both of them are borderline for me.

In terms of future female nominees, I feel like Cher, Diana and Mariah will all get nominated within the next 5 years. Hoping Karen Carpenter can also break through and the Shangri-Las don't get completely forgotten. We also need a female MC to finally be nominated. Queen Latifah has the name recognition and industry cred but it would be nice to see a Salt N Pepa nom. Missy will follow when she's eligible.

The other nominee I'm most rooting for is Priest. I'm not even a metalhead but the subgenre is really under-represented. Even Prog got some reparations in the 2010s (Jethro Tull remains on the outside looking in though). Priest, Maiden and Motorhead all need to be in at least.

Duran Duran is nearly a lock, with all their momentum. Hopefully their induction makes them look at The Smiths again.

Eurhythmics and Pat, I would be happy to see in as well, but their star wattage might be a little low compared to some others in the ballot. Pat has a decent shot though after being a bigger snub last year. Both acts will get in eventually.

Eminem... stone cold lock. Unless, he's another Radiohead fluke.

Posted by M on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 07:57am


Here's who i think are the possible choices for induction.

Eminem: 100% lock & guarantee for induction, he'll be a 10th rapper doing so.

Duran Duran: If The Cure & Depeche Mode are inducted so can Duran Duran, they defined MTV generation & sold a lot of records not to mention they're still active. 2021 class is the 1st time that not any british act got inducted so i'll except the trend to come back once again with DD having a strong possibility.

Rage Against the Machine: This is their 4th nomination & i highly anticipated that these guys will finally be inducted since they're the only 90's alt rock band being nominated this year & Tom Morello being on the committee.

Judas Priest: If the Hall could finally embrace Metal, then Priest is strongest choice of all. I think their 3rd nomination would be a charm for them since it worked for Deep Purple back in 2016. They're another british act with a strong possibility just like Duran Duran.

Pat Benatar: Tina Turner & The Go Go's are inducted so it's a 90% chance that Pat would finally become one of the six artists for induction this year since a lot of fans are upset about her snub following 2020 induction.

Lionel Richie or Dolly Parton: Possibly my wild cards since this is only their 1st nominations, maybe if they don't get inducted as performers then Early Influence & Musical Excellence would be their calls.

As for the rest of the nominees, i could see several of them being inducted under EI & AME with Dionne Warwick, MC5, New York Dolls, Fela Kuti & Devo as the strongest contenders & possibilities. Acts like Beck, Eurythmics & A Tribe Called Quest would have to wait a few more years & nominations to finally get inducted while Kate Bush & Carly Simon won't be inducted anytime soon. Just my thoughts.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 09:08am


Jordan Einstein,

While I agree on your picks, I do disagree on NYD and Devo. Seems like an opportunity to have those two be inducted in their respective cities for the next two ceremonies. Dolls will be eligible next year for EI as they are not 25 years yet. Devo still got plenty of time left.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 10:25am


Once again posting my fan-fan vote google form link thing for those who care. Currently have 2 responses (one of them being myself). If I don't end up getting more than 2 responses I'll stop annoying everyone with the link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSefUWI-gDsBhLGCaWMnKwgEdcdCIyz175y4hePCxJ6VVfmD2g/viewform?usp=sf_link

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 13:08pm


A few more random statistics about this nominee class:

Fela Kuti is the oldest person nominated this year, born in 1938, though Dionne Warwick is the oldest living nominee of the bunch, born in 1940. Eminem is the youngest person nominated this year, born in 1972. If/when inducted, Eminem would be the fifth youngest artist in the Hall, only older than Tre Cool of Green Day by a month and three members of Nine Inch Nails and Red Hot Chili Peppers that joined later in their respective groups careers, Alessandro Cortini, Josh Klinghoffer, and Ilan Rubin.

In terms of generations, Fela Kuti and Dionne Warwick are the two members of the Silent Generation on the ballot. The Gen Xers on the ballot are the members of Rage Against the Machine, A Tribe Called Quest, Beck, and Eminem. The rest of the nominated artists are Baby Boomers, with MC5, Carly Simon, Dolly Parton, New York Dolls, and Judas Priest on the older side and Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Kate Bush, and Duran Duran on the younger side, with DEVO kind of in the middle.

There are 12 American artists on the ballot, 4 British artists, and of course Fela Kuti from Nigeria.

Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest, Pat Benatar, and the New York Dolls are all from New York City, with Dionne Warwick originating in nearby Orange, NJ. If inducted, they would be the 44th-48th inductees from the New York area.

Eurythmics and Kate Bush are Londoners, and would be the 33rd/34th Greater London Area inductees.

Beck and Rage Against the Machine are both from Los Angeles, and would be the 28th/29th Los Angeles area inductees in the Hall.

Eminem and MC5 would be the 14th/15th inductees from Detroit.

Duran Duran and Judas Priest would be the 5th/6th inductees from Birmingham, England.

DEVO would be the first inductees from Akron, OH, and the fifth overall from the Cleveland/NE Ohio area after The Moonglows, The O'Jays, Bobby Womack, and Nine Inch Nails.

Lionel Richie would be the first inductee from Tuskegee, AL, and the third from Alabama overall after Hank Williams and Percy Sledge.

Dolly Parton is from the area around Knoxville, TN. She would be the first Knoxville-based inductee, and the second from East Tennessee after The Impressions.

Fela Kuti would of course be the first Lagosian, Nigerian, and African inductee to be inducted into the Hall!

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 13:53pm


Plebeian,

I never said this year for NYD & Devo.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 14:04pm


RG,

Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 15:22pm


Three things I'm not seeing mentioned yet regarding Rage

1. Will being rap rock turn them off to traditionalist voters and rap voters?
2. Will influencing Nu Metal hurt them?
3. Are they too radically left wing? (they possibly are the most aggressively political ever nominated, both musically and outside of music)

Thoughts

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 15:43pm


First of all, I personally love Rage Against the Machine. And as a voter, I would be as open minded as possible in recognizing how important RATM was to Rock 'n' Roll History.

Second of all, yes, they did influence Nu Metal. But many of the bands that followed RATM — not all of them, mind you, but many of them — were copycats who couldn't measure up to them. That's not RATM's fault.

Finally — and this is the most important point — Rage Against the Machine was all about rebellion against the evils of the American political system. I mean, come on, the band's name says it all. And Rock 'n' Roll is all about — wait for it — REBELLION!

YES to Rage Against the Machine for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!

Posted by Johnny on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 16:12pm


Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 16:16pm


Richie,

My current prediction:

Eminem - LOCK
Dolly Parton - LOCK
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie

Possible #7 spot: Dionne Warwick, Rage Against the Machine

In the mix but I don't think it's likely: Judas Priest, Eurythmics, Beck, DEVO

Very unlikely: A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, New York Dolls, MC5, Fela Kuti

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 18:38pm


By the way, does anyone else hate the design of the Rock Hall website? The background banner texture always makes me think that there is dirt all over my screen.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 18:39pm


RG and Plebeian,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year for 2022 (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 18:49pm


RG,

Hot take, but honestly I hate how the consensus for this class seems to be the one you are predicting as yours seems align with the other RHWs. I don't hate anyone in this particular bunch and your entitled to your predictions, but it looks so how should I say..predictable? I'm trying not to slander you. Heck, this class addresses certain blindspot genre neglects the Hall has. But, I just can't shake a feeling of lacking that "spark" if you will.

Thoughts? Again, I respect you and this may as well be the class. But, I don't know….

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 18:58pm


RG and Plebeian,

Casper said on Twitter the day of the nominations were announced that this is the most competitive ballot in decades and that any of them could be the 5-7 Performer inductees this year (I'm going to say that there will be 7 Performer inductees this year because there are 17 nominees this year).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 19:21pm


MOST LIKELY
Carly Simon
Eminem
New York Dolls
Fela Kuti
Lionel Richie

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
A Tribe Called Quest

EARLY INFLUENCE
Devo

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 19:38pm


Are any of you guys on here have a Twitter account?. My account on Twitter is at https://twitter.com/RichieLeitner12 if you guys are interested, I was just wondering are any of you guys on here on Twitter so I can follow you on Twitter?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 19:48pm


Garrus,

Your predictions for ATCQ & Devo in special categories are a bit off. First, Tribe is way too well - known & popular to be in the AME category & Devo couldn't be in Early Influence since they're not even around 45 - 50 years yet so AME would be their call. Heck Fela Kuti should also be in that category since he's too obscure to be inducted as a performer.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 21:00pm


Hey Johnny

Noice :)

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 21:16pm


Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent)
01. Duran Duran (prog)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick, or Dolly Parton (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 21:24pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 21:30pm


Enigmaticus

Why are you classing everything as prog or prog related instead of as New Wave? Legit Curious cause I've never seen Duran Duran or Eurythmics classed that way

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 23:48pm


PERFORMERS
Carly Simon
Eminem
New York Dolls
Lionel Richie
Devo

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
A Tribe Called Quest

EARLY INFLUENCE
Fela Kuti

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 23:53pm


PERFORMERS
Carly Simon
Eminem
New York Dolls
Lionel Richie
Devo

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Fela Kuti

EARLY INFLUENCE
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 00:19am


PERFORMERS
Dolly Parton
Eminem
New York Dolls
Lionel Richie
Dionne Warwick

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Fela Kuti

EARLY INFLUENCE
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 02:14am


Oh lord, Richie has a twitter. Now the questions will increase, but at least they won't be repeated over and over...

I keed, Richie, I keed...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 03:17am


@Mat R,

Good question. I do not use the term new wave because it primarily refers to French cinema. In an effort to placate Blondie and Talking Heads, neither of which were punk bands, Seymour Stein coined the term "new wave" to describe those artists. Unfortunately, the terms "prog" and "progressive" were considered to be passé or perhaps even taboo at the time, especially in the United Kingdom.


Primarily because "new wave" is an umbrella term which covers numerous unrelated genres which came after the advent of punk rock; the term is essentially meaningless. Even so, it is defined as "prog" X "punk" by Professor Bill Martin. Since both Duran Duran and Eurythmics do not have a punk element to their sound and frequently employ synthesizers and orchestral arrangements- they must be "prog" and "prog adjacent" respectively. Also, Duran Duran has existed for almost 44 years, most "new wave" bands had very short lifespans, certainly not those of bands approaching nearly a half century. Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues (the "holy trinity" of prog) are three of the most influential bands of all time and had survived 50+ years since their formation; Duran Duran is now in a very similar situation.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 03:58am


K-Dawg,
Your thoughts are good. You got detailed with most of them. You mentioned you're not have complete knowledge on every single act. Me neither. I lack knowledge on Eminem, Fela Kuti and MC5. The rest I am pretty well versed.
These are 3 that I am well versed on.
Duran Duran - It certainly has been a decade or more since they were first eligible, and the RRHOF has taken its time putting together the story of the 80s mainstream music. For some reason focus went to the 90s a bit before the 80s. I also predict they will slide in as one of the easy inductees Their sound fills so much of the 80s. It's mainstream catchy, yet synth and the sounds define new wave. They have endured. Hey if the Go-Gos were inducted so too shall Duran Duran.

Carly Simon - I was also one of the minority who had Carly in their predictions, and my reasoning is simple. The Hall is trying to get all the 60s and 70s folk and singer/songwriting females taken care of. "You're So Vain" and Haven't Got Time for the Pain are both symbolic of the 70s.

Dionne Warwick - Dionne is a very gifted singer and definitely a fan favorite in recent years. You are right. Too many obstacles in her way to be inducted any time soon. I'm NOT surprised she got another nomination this year. I have predicted she will get moved Early Influence this year. At this point she is old enough for that.
Look on my Posts of Feb3 for my Full thoughts on all Nominees, I also posted my predictions for the 2022 Inductees. Go take a look. Tell me your thoughts.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 04:15am


Plebeian,

Are you frustrated with the people predicting or the Hall? I think what you may be frustrated about is the natural result of the system snubbing so many huge iconic artists for so many years. It means that when they decide to fix their past mistakes and rightfully put artists like Tina Turner, Dolly Parton and others who should have been inducted decades ago on the ballot, of course the class is going to be a predictable mix of longtime snubs and the biggest newly eligible names. We've all been following this for long enough to know that there's not really a path for the weirder, more interesting artists like Tribe, Kate Bush, Devo, and Fela on a ballot like this, so of course nobody is going to predict that they'll make it out.

Personally, I'm still very excited (assuming I'm right) for this class, I'm sure it will be great, especially since all of the artists that are likely to get in are still able to show up and perform, and none of them seem like the type to pull a Rundgren.

I'm interested though, likelihood aside, who would be inducted in this class if it were up to you?

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 09:50am


I came here to change my Predictions BUT I will Not. I was to insert Rage Against the Machine and take out Beck.. BUT NO I will not. There is really No way I see that RAGE ATM and Judas Priest will be inducted at the same time. The Voters will Not make it that 2 Metal acts are inducted at the same time. The Traditional Heavy Metal voters will Vote a lot for Judas Priest NOT Rage Against TM. And soo my Predictions are Maintained

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

I need thoughts on RAGE ATM. I am staying the course with Judas Priest.
Proof enough that Voters will go more with Priest. I am a 57 year old Traditional Rock fan. I know sooo much more about J Priest. I own a few albums of Priest. I am well versed on British Steel and Screaming for Vengaence. I own most of those. And a few from Defenders of Faith. I also own Parental Guidance and a bunch of other Priest I did Not mention. Your thoughts everyone. This is basically a Heavy Metal chat.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 09:55am


Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 09:59am


RG,

Probably angry towards the Hall. I dread the day a certain artist who may not get the votes is slammed to be in the special categories who clearly don't belong there (with a few exceptions of course). I sort of cringe in that the weirder and off-the-wall ones never will get the light and respect they deserve and put in cheaply to show "Hey, they're in there now! Stop complaining!" I wish the Hall would at least consider the ones that are nominated 3 times or more and not overlook is what I'm saying. Regardless, this batch of nominees is interesting as I kind of enjoy almost all these acts.

If I had to choose:

Eminem (Top of my list)
Rage Against The Machine (2nd place in my list and probably the only Nu-Metal band I actually like though I would not classify them as such. Also have a hard on for Zach and Morello.)
Judas Priest (Was always a Heavy Metal fan and are part of the big five in the genre)
Kate Bush (Created the weirder, but more theatrical approach for the female singer-songwriter)
Duran Duran (My Dad's personal snub and the band they got me into new wave along with Tears For Fears, Depeche Mode, OMD, Pet Shop Boys, etc; Basically close to my heart)
Pat Benatar (Female rocker that just kicks a lot of ass)
New York Dolls (Glam Rock is a criminally overlooked genre chock full of notable acts. These guys brought this specific genre to the U.S.A.)

Hope you understand and your choices are pretty good too!

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 10:49am


Plebeian,

I will push back on one thing, and that's the special categories. In the past, they may have been considered a secondary tier, but if you watch this past years ceremony without knowing the context, you would never be able to tell that LL Cool J got in by a different process than the rest of the inductees at all. He certainly got more of a full induction than Todd Rundgren did by getting in on the ballot. Even with Kraftwerk, they didn't get a huge amount of focus, but I don't think the way that their induction played out in the ceremony would have been any different if they had been voted in vs. given Early Influence.

I think that for artists that have been on the ballot a bunch of times unsuccesfully, like LL, Kraftwerk, Chaka, MC5, it makes so much more sense to just give them the Musical Excellence or Early Influence award and treat them the same as they would if they had gotten in on the ballot. They are still being honored, and it just goes farther to help clear the backlog of deserving artists that might not be able to get in on the ballot.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 11:27am


If only they had some sort of veterans committee to put in backlogged bands. Not to take away anyone's eligibility any year, but all the voting now does is create a bigger waiting list every year. While I think its fine she's deserving, dollys nomination has opened the door for hundreds of country artists now, widening the pool even more when some years, only 5 get in

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 12:33pm


K-Dawg,

We're probably getting 7 this year. No way with only 5-6 can be manageable in one of the most competitive ballots will that be sufficient. 17 seems like a fishy number and this planning should surely get the votes really close for them to induct 7.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 13:38pm


Hey Enigmaticus

Just to make a correction on the cinema thing, New Wave is pretty broadly used. Yea there's French New Wave but also British New Wave, Czech New Wave, Australian New Wave, Canadian New Wave. I think it started with the French but it's all over the place and think Stein use of it is fine.

I would also argue Eurythmics had a lot of punk elements to their fashion and Duran Duran were like many punk acts big on Glam Rock, Krautrock. Neither might fit a US classification of New Wave or Punk but they definetly aren't out of place with that Siouxsie Sioux, Cure, New Order, Depeche Mode side of UK new wave I think.

Anyways cool

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 16:06pm


Casually curious about something unrelated to the nominees

One thing that reasonably (cause they don't mention who is being considered) is not being discussed is who might get the Ahmet Ertegun Award (an award that might not be given out but should be) this year and I do think one organization has softly campaigned (there probably is some apathy from the org towards the hall), via it's 25th anniversary celebrations late last year, and that organization is Pitchfork.

There's definitely an argument to be made that Pitchfork is the single most powerful tastemaker outside of streaming services in the last 25 years, they made a lot of careers (Arcade Fire, Sigur Ros) and harmed some (Liz Phair) during its peak, still are one of the few outlets that artists themselves seem to pay attention to (eg Lizzo, Weezer, Grimes). Not to mention their expansion into festivals.

With that I'm kind of curious, do you think the Hall would look to induct Pitchfork's founder Ryan Schreiber via the Award or is Pitchfork too off brand and young for it? Has any other notably person or organization seemingly made a pitch this past year? (I know Interscope just did a massive number of reissues with high profile artists doing the covers including for Eminem)

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 17:03pm


Mat R,

The reasons that the Non-Performer and other categories aren't discussed as in depth is because they're not the main draw, and the shadowy cabal gets even more shadowy when determining those categories. From the community, the big push in that category is for Estelle Axton, along with many other women, but Estelle is the big name first.

As for Pitchfork founder Ryan Schreiber... I dunno. Possibly, but I think we're nowhere near that point yet. With John Sykes currently at the helm, I think he'd be more inclined to get the founders of MTV inducted first.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 17:30pm


Good evening Philip,

Will you have time later this week to post your expert analyses of the merits of each of the 2022 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees on your "Rock Hall Monitors" blog? I have definitely been looking forward to your fascinating opinions. Thank you in advance.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 18:20pm


Hey Philip

Agree it's the less high profile space (which is part of why I don't think they bother with nominations or anything) but it is realistically the #2 category at the Hall (Early Influence and AME have had long droughts a few times which Ertegun Award hasn't) and no one really speculates on it as much as the other honours.

Also yes on Estelle Axton (right that wrong) and more women but I think the John Sykes factor might favour an outsider more than an MTV linked person at this stage to avoid criticism. If he and everyone wants to modernize the hall (which they actively do) embracing the internet makes sense and the best way to do that is Pitchfork. That said I do totally think there's a strong chance in the next 5 years a Hype Williams, David Fincher, Joseph Khan, or Spike Jonze is inducted.

That's actually a more interesting topic tbh (music video directors going in) cause I feel that's a front the Hall could really be seen as remembering a declining art that also opens you up to a lot of high profile and interesting characters like Floria Sigismondi, Michael Bay, Michel Gondry, and Director X.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 19:16pm


Yeah, but the Hall now has a man in charge who had his hand deep in the MTV cookie jar at one pont. That's a big part of his credentials, and his rationale for his vision. MTV execs won't be getting forgotten.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 19:24pm


There seems to be a pattern in which Rap/Hip-Hop acts get into the Rock Hall and it goes like this:

2007: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2008.
2009: Run-DMC
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2010 and 2011.
2012: The Beastie Boys
2013: Public Enemy
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2014 and 2015.
2016: N.W.A.
2017: Tupac Shakur
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2018 and 2019.
2020: The Notorious B.I.G.
2021: Jay-Z and LL Cool J

So based on that pattern, Do you guys think that Eminem could shockingly miss out this year on his first year eligible just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band two years ago in 2020?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 20:20pm


Richie,

I don't think so, Eminem's pretty much an only guarantee. I think the reason why there are no rap honorees in the few ceremonies during a 15 year period is because there are some that aren't as clear victories like the ones that are inducted in years.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 21:08pm


Does anyone think with 17 acts we might get 7 inductees instead of the usual 5-6? Also side note, it appears we get a class of at least a couple of deceased people from 2 to many. I'm thinking this might be the year we might only have one deceased member (Phile Dawg and Dave Holland being the only deceased member in their respected groups). Last year the deceased were in the side categories, so I suppose we might repeat again this year. Just a couple of thoughts.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 21:29pm


Plebeian,

I do, I think that with 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 21:35pm


I think because the Main Performer class will be mostly white, with probably only Lionel breaking through. Lionel and Dionne if we're lucky, the side categories will probably be used to shore up some POC inductees.

Didn't FRL say someone was pulling for Don Cornelius? That's one induction that's LONG overdue and I dunno why they haven't gone for him yet.

In terms of women, I dunno how much Estelle Axton would figure. She would be deserving for sure, but I think Sylvia Robinson will probably be more top of mind for the award. I hope both get it eventually.

Other big POC non-inductees here are DJ Kool Herc, Willie Mitchell, Lee "Scratch" Perry, Russell Simmons (but his induction may be controversial).

Otherwise, I'd also like to see nods for Wolfman Jack, Casey Kasem, Lew Chudd, Lee Hazlewood and Rick Rubin.

Posted by M on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 21:58pm


M,

Don't forget Chaka Khan for Musical Excellence, I think she's practically a guarantee for this year.

I would also love to see the Early Influence category used to induct Big Mama Thornton and Link Wray, those two should be top of the list for 50s artists that are still out there, Thornton in particular.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 22:46pm


RG,

I don't think that Chaka Khan's getting a Musical Excellence induction this year, I think that they'll try her one more time on the ballot next year and she'll hopefully get in then.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 23:09pm


Philip

Largely agree but I don't know if they'll put Sykes, Tom Freston, and Fred Seibert in so early into the Sykes era after the reputation the Wenner era got since it seems like they want to change the direction. I think they'll do MTV adjacent figures like video directors (Hype Williams and Mark Romanek have very strong cases to go in) and international figures for a while but I do get a vibe they'll want to acknowledge the modern tastemakers and rapid changes in media (like Pitchfork) sooner rather than later.

M

Largely agree. Mostly white main class with Lionel and Dionne being likely. I think there might be a behind the scenes and media push for Rage or Judas Priest (similar to The Go-Gos last year) to diversify the more recent rock inductees and to show rock bands aren't just straight white guys (with Judas Priest getting the edge). To counter this yea they'll use side categories.

I think Fela Kuti and Kate Bush or New York Dolls will get Musical Excellence along with a Lee "Scratch" Perry or Chaka Khan and maybe DJ Cool Herc or Big Mama Thornton or John Coltrane finally gets Early Influence alongside MC5. I feel MC5, New York Dolls (Dolls would be made to wait after MC5), and Fela are on their final pushes (Fela due to the weak fan vote this year) and because Bush's cult fandom is so big and young and she's kind of starting to lane clog (with Bjork, Fiona Apple, and Tori Amos all eligible now) they might just gonna put her in.

There's also the "Summer of Soul" factor, Questlove directed that movie and I wouldn't be shocked if The 5th Dimension or The Chambers Brothers pop up as Early Influences.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 00:38am


Hey Guys,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 01:01am


Richie,

The Hall always chooses a 3-timer or more for the class.

Last five years were:

2017: Yes
2018: The Cars
2019: Janet Jackson and The Zombies
2020: Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails
2021: Todd Rundgren (Kraftwerk and LL Cool J don't count)
2022: ???

I would think Judas, Rage, or even Devo might have a chance to fit in for the class

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 01:12am


K-Dawg,

You're suggesting some sort of veterans committee to put in backlogged bands. You say all the voting now does is create a bigger waiting list every year. If I got it right I think you're saying that a Veteran's Committee would pick Backlogged bands without the Voting process. It's a good idea. You would have to elaborate. For example Acts like The Turtles, The Marvelettes, Joe Tex, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Jethro Tull, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Bad Company among many others would be picked by a Veteran's committee. I don't know if they'll do it. But great idea, Let me know if I'm on the right track. If a Veteran's Committee put Blood, Sweat & Tears in the Hall a great talent like Al Kooper would be in the Hall. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 02:41am


Plebeian,

I think Priest & Rage are sold picks for 3 timers or more this year, Devo would eventually be inducted under "Musical Excellence" since it look to became a veteran's committee choice. It may be the reason why LL Cool J got inducted under that category. Same could be said for Fela Kuti, MC5 & New York Dolls for AME & Early Influence.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 03:43am


Jordan,
Good to see you back on here. Priest and Rage are solid picks for 3 timers or more. You are a perfect person to make my point again. I almost picked Priest and Rage as Inductees at same time. But since the Hall has avoided Heavy metal so much it will only be one heavy metal act. I pick Priest as an Inductee. Lets Discuss. We had great chats on the Prediction forum. Let's chat about this

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 05:06am


Jordan

True point but am curious cause there are 4 three timers and you didn't touch on Kate Bush. I'm thinking she might go in via Musical Excellence soon but think she might actually have a better shot than Rage or Devo for this year's class due to her current relevance and American critical rediscovery in recent years.

Thoughts

Posted by mat r on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 07:55am


Mat R,

I would actually agree with you on Bush also for AME, i don't think she has a shot for induction this year since she doesn't have any major success in America & as you said her relevance & rediscovery, it may not be the case for induction. Maybe that's also why Fela Kuti has not been nominated before until last year. I would think RATM has a clearer shot for induction this time since they're the only 90's alt rock band that is nominated, (i mean Beck is another one from that decade as well but he's need a little more time especially since Radiohead didn't get inducted until their second try a year after they were First Eligible.) Devo possibly won't be inducted also this year since they're up against Duran Duran (in which they might be FYN inductees due to their doc & release of their latest album let alone define MTV generation & John Sykes being in charge now.) & Eurythmics (also won't be inducted because of DD)

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 10:37am


Ben,

As i said before, it took Deep Purple 3 nominations to get inducted in 2016 & i'll might work for Judas Priest since it's also their 3rd nomination, besides we should see 2 British acts dominated inductions once again since last year we didn't get to see any of them. As for RATM, i don't see them getting passed over again since they're an only 90's alt band that got nominated this time & with Tom Morello being on the committee it might push their chances even further also i don't see them as Metal just like Priest is but they're Metal like mixed with Alternative & Rap.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 10:44am


Crap put my comment in the wrong discussion, here is what I said:

Ben and Jordan Einstein,

Rage and Priest also hit the diversity quota as well. Priest because well Rob Halford of course being LGBT+. Rage has race in Zach (Mexican) and Tom (mixed). With how the predictions are going, the class has already hit the female quota. The race quota could be filled with Lionel Richie, but he has a fatal flaw: Richie is not exactly a critical darling. According to Acclaimed Music, Richie is actually lower than JP which is interesting as JP are notoriously not favored much with critics. So I see JP overcoming Lionel in the long run. Rage is it's own entity so I doubt (not confirm but doubt) they will split votes with Priest. Those are more thoughts I have.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 11:32am


I think that you guys are underestimating Eurythmics's chances for induction this year IMO, Yes, I know that they're going up against Duran Duran and Devo, but Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart are so well-liked, so well-connected and so well-respected in the music industry that a lot of people will probably vote for them based on that alone, plus the Hall has been inducting more 80's acts in recent years, so they stand a very good chance IMO, also they're currently in the top 5 of the fan vote and at #5 in the fan vote, so that helps them as well, in addition, they're being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year (which was rescheduled from 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic) as well, If there was ever a time that we see two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts get inducted in the same year, it's this year with Duran Duran and Eurythmics.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 11:52am


I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame needs a reboot. It has corrupted beyond its original purpose.

PERFORMERS: Truly famous artists who play a form of rock and roll

PIONEERS: artists who pioneered a specific form of music relevant to the development of rock

CONTRIBUTORS: Contemporary artists who have contributed to the development of rock but perform a different genre

INFLUENCERS: forties and earlier artists who led to the creation of rock

NONPERFORMER: individuals who are not musicians but still contributed to rock's development

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 14:59pm


Someone on this ballot is getting an Early Influence induction. I don't know who.

By the way, FLR says that MC5 is the only white act ever to finish in last place. What year was that?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 18:01pm


Follower,
MC5 finished last in the 2019 and 2020 fan votes.

Posted by Nick B. on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 18:15pm


@Mat R,

Thank you for responding. Duran Duran certainly did add different elements to their fashion. But, I think that Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor and former members: Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo would probably agree that it was mostly about the music, rather than the clothing style. Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart, (prior to the Eurythmics) were members of a rock & pop band called The Tourists. That band was relatively unsuccessful, so they left and formed Eurythmics and after Eurythmics broke up, they concentrated on then their individual solo careers.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 18:22pm


Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent)
01. Duran Duran (prog)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick, or Dolly Parton (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 18:28pm


Hi all.

It has taken me a while to collect my thoughts on the nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022. Now that it has come, there a few things I would like to mention. First, I was a bit saddened to see Dave Matthews not nominated again. I would have thought that having won the fan vote in 2020 would mean an automatic nomination at this point. However, it looks to me that the Rock Hall is somewhat lessening the fan vote this time. For myself, I have yet voted in the official fan vote poll on the Rock Hall website. It seems as if I am being goaded to a phishing site before I am allowed to vote. If that is the way the Rock Hall feels about the fan vote, then it may be time to end the fan vote. Or rather, put the vote taken here at Future Rock legends and have that be the fan vote. That would seem to be a reasonable compromise.

Moving forward, I am sure there will be an equal or greater number of inductees going through the side categories. Perhaps there might even be a newer side category involving a newer 2-time inductee if there is not one as a Performer nominee. Call it, say, the Clyde Mcphatter award for individual excellence. At this rate, it seems possible. Let me know if you think I am being bonkers and/or if this indeed might happen. Now, onto the nominees.

Dionne Warwick: I still at this point cannot see her getting inducted at this time. Although she has been highly influential in what she has done. Even so, she ranks last for me in who I would like to see inducted from this group of nominees.

Fela Kuti: It might be likely the Kuti family will accept the induction of Fela in a side category such as Musical Influence. Indeed, it seems likely at this point.

MC5: They might go in as Musical Influences. I would even say these punk rock and protest rock pioneers should have gotten inducted years ago.

New York Dolls: They might not be at the top of my list. Yet I expect a significant push for them to go in.

Devo: Mark Mothersbaugh and co. are quite possibly getting inducted this year. I could see a potential Musical Excellence side category induction when considering Mothersbaugh's movie and TV scores.

Judas Priest: The time has come for these greats to get inducted. And yet, I think recent developments on differences between K.K. Downing and many of the remaining members is going to be an annoyance which will almost certainly result in the nominated remaining members not reuniting. Dave Holland, just to let it be known, died in 2018. I have not the time to go over this relative grievance. Yet if you listen to Eddie Trunk or read Blabbermouth, you will get a clear understanding.

A Tribe Called Quest: These hip-hop greats could very well sneak right in. And I would not be surprised. It is a pleasant surprise anyway to see them nominated.

Rage Against the Machine: They should have gotten inducted years ago. At this rate, we might be seeing either of them and/or Tom Morello get a Musical Excellence category induction should it become clear that RATM will not be going in through the front door, as it were.

Beck: I think he possibly gets inducted. No two songs of his are alike. Maybe the best chameleon rock star of his time.

Kate Bush: Hopefully one day she gets in. It might be a bit difficult this year given the fellow nominees.

Eminem: He is going in right away. No issue here with me.

Dolly Parton: A pleasant surprise. And with this pleasant surprise, an induction is imminent.

Carly Simon: Our Revisited/Projected inductee from last year that gets a nomination to the actual RRHOF this year. Although I initially thought Diana Ross would be the one. Maybe Ms. Ross gets that Clyde Mcphatter award I hypothesized. As for Carly Simon, I think an induction is clearly forthcoming.

Pat Benatar: She might get inducted, and if she along with Neil "Spyder" Giraldo win the fan vote it will happen this time. I am not too sure I would have Pat Benatar on my ballot this year, again due to the nominees being quite good.

Eurythmics: I would put them in as soon as can be. Hopefully others feel the same.

Duran Duran: It seems now is the year and the time for these New Wave pioneers to get inducted. And perhaps a reunion of the initial 5 is in place.

Lionel Richie: I think he is going in. I know many would have liked to see The Commodores be nominated. Yet, let us be honest: The Commodores without Lionel Richie was subpar apart from songs like Nightshift. Lionel Richie managed to eclipse the importance of the Commodores to such an extent that in my mind he Is the Commodores. This was the best decision to be made. Plus, the original Commodores have fractured quite a bit. Milan Williams left in 1989 and died in 2006. Thomas McClary left shortly after Lionel Richie departed. Roland Laprad left after Nightshift. And I do not think either William A. King or Walter "Clyde" Orange are open to a reunion with Lionel Richie. This is the best course of action, to incorporate all of Lionel Richie's works and life.

So, here are who I think gets inducted, at least as Performers:

Eminem
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Eurythmics

And in the likelihood of a Performer nominee going through a Side category, I think Fela Kuti is a distinctive possibility.

So many to choose, yet so few slots,

Lax39

Posted by Lax39 on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 21:01pm


Mat R,

Sykes himself, no. But our Revisited/Projected project did induct Robert W. Pittman, the man credited for spearheading the creation of MTV. That's someone I easily see Sykes trying to ply the N-P subcommittee to induct.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 22:16pm


Why is everyone speaking like Enig (no offense)? Seriously, we are all starting to talk like William Shatner here.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 22:53pm


Greg F,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 23:08pm


Hey Jordan

I feel like neither is gonna get in this year but I think Kate is riding a ton of good will, positive press, and hype and has a pretty strong base in the voters now (in the last 3 years Bryan Ferry, Brian Eno, Robert Smith, Ed O'Brien, and Depeche Mode have gone in and all either know, have worked with, or were influenced by her and that's just known people) and she might have the edge on Devo and Beck for more alternative voters as a result of her recent press and obvious influence while RATM have kind of been overexposed in recent years (Tom online, the "Killing in the name of" becoming pacified) and are now dealing with a class that features a lot of artists who they're competing with for voter blocks but with 2 in particular: Eminem (90s, rap, and genre breaker voters) and Judas Priest (traditional rocker and voters open to metal).

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 01:24am


Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop) his association with Dr. Dre places him at the bottom of this list. (No)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk) No offense to David Johansen, but I prefer his alter ego (Buster Poindexter).
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (No)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent) -(Yes)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter) (maybe)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (Yes)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog) (Not yet, unfortunately)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 06:35am


Jordan,
Yah make a very good point with Metal situation. Back to that later.
On Duran Duran they are just about a shoo in. The Eurythmics are Not. I agree that neither Devo or Eurythmics will be Inducted because of Duran Duran. I remember very vividly that there was a Small mania around DD in the midst of the 80s. I was in College at the time. Devo were Not even talked about too much. Eurythmics had a few hits but there wasn't that much fuss. But There was a craze for DD 1983-1986. They perfectly represent British music in the 80s.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 06:56am


I think that you guys are sleeping on and underestimating Eurythmics's chances for induction this year IMO, Yes, I know that they're going up against Duran Duran (who is a lock for induction this year) and Devo, but Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart are so well-liked, so well-connected and so well-respected in the music industry that a lot of people will probably vote for them based on that alone, plus the Hall has been inducting more 80's acts in recent years, so they stand a very good chance IMO, also they're currently in the top 5 of the fan vote and at #5 in the fan vote, so that helps them as well, in addition, they're being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year (which was rescheduled from 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic) as well, If there ever was a time that we see two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts get inducted in the same year, it's this year with Duran Duran and Eurythmics.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 09:47am


Richie....stop saying the same things and asking the same damn questions. Give it a rest. And does everyone on here end posts with 'what do you think?' If sometimes 'thinks' about your post and wants to respond, they will. It's unnecessary to add that. Just my two cents.

Posted by JHC on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 11:02am


JHC,

Just to let you know that I have been on here now for years and majority of people know that I am autistic, Sometimes I ask the same questions but I mean no offense, I am sorry if I offended you, I love to know what other people's opinions are, Again, I apologize if I have upset you and I shall not ask you any more questions, Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 11:16am


My early predictions: Part 1

I've been thinking about this nomination list and who I feel is most likely to be chosen. The fan vote looks pretty solid for
Eminem with Duran Duran likely taking the second spot. The fan vote goes for another two and a half months (good God) but generally the first week sets everything up. It does not look like Fela Kuti is going to have the same surge as last year.

My predictions will likely shift over the next month or so, but this is what I'm thinking right now.

Little to no chance: I think five artists have very little shot this year.

1. A Tribe Called Quest: It was really cool to see them nominated this year but I don't think they have any real shot. I can't get past LL Cool J. If he can't be elected on the main ballot, can ATCQ make it? I don't see it.

2. Fela Kuti: He was one of the big conversations last year, almost winning the fan vote. But many voters do not know him. Hard to see him making enough ballots to have a chance.

3. Kate Bush: Possibly my favorite artist on this ballot. Just as deserving as anyone. She has a slight chance of sneaking in because appreciation for her work is growing every year. But I think there is too much competition for her to make it in. I will be thrilled to be wrong.

4. Devo: I don't feel the location of the ceremony matters as much as some people do. I just feel Whip It has been absolutely lethal to their chances. Devo should not be a one-hit wonder, but technically they are, and that's how most people see them.

5. MC5: What has changed? They are always near the bottom of the fan vote, their supporters are aging and they are competing with New York Dolls this year. It is stupid to induct them as an Early Influence, but I think it is the only way they get in.

Not likely, but have a shot: I think four artists have a slight chance to get in, but I don't expect it.

1. Beck: One of the most deserving acts on this ballot, in my opinion. Beck's greatest strength, his eclectic style, hurts him here. I don't expect him to have enough support, but I think he at least has an outside shot.

2. Dionne Warwick: One of the biggest hit makers on the ballot. I think she could make it, but too many other bigger names ahead of her. Her selection would bring a lot of goodwill to the class.

3. Judas Priest: Someday they have to get in. Will it be this year? I hope so but I doubt it. There is limited classic rock competition on this ballot, which gives them a chance. But there are reasons why metal never gets in.

4. New York Dolls: The critical acclaim from their brief career gives them a chance. I would not be shocked if they make it in. But I would be surprised. They had such a short career and there are too many other big names with more commercial success.

By the way, any class that included Beck, Dionne, Judas Priest and New York Dolls would be a phenomenal one.

I'll go over the rest of the class later.

Posted by remy10 on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 11:55am


Jordan,
You make a Very good point about the Metal situation. I didn't think of that. Rage Against the Machine are a 90s Alternative Metal band. You are right they are NOT pure regular Metal like Priest. Yeahh Rage ATM are Not Metal just like Priest. You are right. That's why I wanted to discuss. I have picked Beck and Eminem as 90s choices. But you know what YES I will insert Rage ATM and take out Beck. Beck is a kind of a weaker choice right now for the 90s. I barely know Beck. I know Beck just a little better than Eminem. Eminem is a zero for me still. But that does not hinder me from Eminem. But anyway as far as Beck I know that Has a couple key albums. But Rage ATM is a much bigger act of the 90s I think. I will have both Priest and Rage ATM I will post an Updated List of predictions VERY soon. And I will list my picks for Early Influence and Music Excellence STAY TUNED

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 13:44pm


The biggest albums and singles act each year since 2013:

Albums:
2013: Rush
2014: KISS
2015: Green Day
2016: Chicago
2017: Joan Baez
2018: The Moody Blues
2019: Def Leppard
2020: Whitney Houston by sales, Dave Matthews Band by charts
2021: Jay-Z
2022: Eminem by sales, Dionne Warwick by charts

Biggest albums act not in the Hall: Garth Brooks by sales, Dave Matthews Band by charts.

Singles:
2013: Donna Summer
2014: Daryl Hall and John Oats
2015: The Spinners
2016, 2017, and 2019: Janet Jackson
2018: Bon Jovi
2020: Whitney Houston
2021: Jay-Z
2022: Eminem by sales, Dionne Warwick by charts.

Biggest singles act not in the hall: Mariah Carey for charts, unsure for sales.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 13:44pm


Follower,
I figured ELO or Pearl Jam would be the biggest albums and singles act for 2017

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 14:24pm


Speculation on what songs each artist/tribute would play if inducted:

Beck - Would probably show up and perform. Loser, Devil's Haircut, Where It's At

Duran Duran - Would definitely show up and perform. Hungry Like the Wolf, Rio, Ordinary World

Eminem - Would definitely show up and perform. Lose Yourself, The Real Slim Shady, Rap God

Dolly Parton - Would definitely show up and perform. Jolene, Here You Come Again, I Will Always Love You

Lionel Richie - Would definitely show up and perform. All Night Long, Dancing on the Ceiling, Endless Love

Carly Simon - Probably shows up, but would likely have a tribute performance as she very rarely performs live anymore. You're So Vain, Mockingbird, Nobody Does It Better

A Tribe Called Quest - Would probably show up and perform. Can I Kick It?, Award Tour, Scenario

Pat Benatar - Would probably show up and perform. Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Love is a Battlefield, We Belong

Eurythmics - Good chance they show up and perform. Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This), Here Comes the Rain, Would I Lie to You?

Fela Kuti - Tribute performance, if at all. Probably only one song due to the length, let's go with Zombie.

Dionne Warwick - Probably at least shows up, this could be a combo tribute/solo performance like what they did with Carole King. Walk On By, That's what Friends Are For, Do You Know the Way to San Jose

Kate Bush - Almost certainly a tribute performance, since both travel and concerts are incredibly rare for Kate. Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God), This Woman's Work, Babooshka

Devo - Probably show up and perform. Whip It, Uncontrollable Urge, (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction

Judas Priest - Doubt they would show, but who knows. Breaking the Law, You've Got Another Thing Coming, Living After Midnight

New York Dolls - Surviving members probably show but don't get a performance, but if they did: Personality Crisis, Trash, Stranded in the Jungle.

Rage Against the Machine - Would definitely show up and perform. Killing in the Name, Bulls on Parade, Testify

MC5 - Surviving members probably show, no performance, but if they did: Kick Out the Jams, Looking At You, Let Me Try

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 14:24pm


Addendum:

Change 2017 Albums acts to "Joan Baez by charts, Journey by Sales"

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 14:51pm


This is my Updated predictions for 2022 Inductees

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
.Chaka Khan
J. Geils Band
.The Meters

EARLY INFLUENCE
John Coltrane
Gram Parsons
Dionne Warwick

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 14:54pm


RG,

Judas Priest have been gracious about all three of their nominations so far, more so than the uninterested Iron Maiden, so Judas Priest would definitely show up and perform unlike Iron Maiden.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 16:12pm


Good thoughts so far. I will make my official predictions tomorrow

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 16:58pm


Judas Priest did poorly both of the last times they were nominated. I don't think they'll get in this time.

Especially since this year their biggest threat is Pat Benatar, who everyone was upset about not getting in back in 2020.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 20:17pm


Nah, I disagree. Judas might actually get in this year.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 20:38pm


Follower

Nah Pat's getting pop votes, their biggest threat is Rage Against the Machine for that rockist vote. 2018 and 2020 were stiff years for that rock vote. 2018 had Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, The Moody Blues, The J. Geils Band, Depeche Mode, MC5, The Zombies, Radiohead, and yes Rage while 2020 had NIN, Depeche Mode, Doobie Bros, Dave Matthews Band, T Rex, MC5, Motorhead, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy, Todd Rundgren, and yes Pat. That's a lot of rock in a lot of directions. Pat (and maybe Duran Duran but they might be seen as more pop and dance) aside, there are two serious rock nominees (if we consider MC5 and NY Dolls over the hill and Beck and Devo are too alternative) and it's a metal vs metal showdown. I think Priest have the edge on Rage here.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 21:38pm


Anyone getting the feeling that Eminem could shockingly miss out?. I think that's a possibility for a few reasons. One, Eminem's homophobic and violent lyrics against women may turn off voters. Although he has since showed regret for his early songs, it's still a huge mark against him. Two, While he has never tried to imitate other black rappers, Eminem is still a white rapper in hip-hop. Beastie Boys were nominated on their first year of eligibility but they were repeatedly snubbed for many years. The same could happen to Eminem. Three, the Rock Hall voting body is made up of 80% white, older men. most of them will think Eminem is too recent of an artist to be inducted yet and gravitate more to acts who have been waiting longer.

Although he seems on the surface to be the most iconic name on the ballot (other than Dolly Parton), he also does seem to be one of the names that would cause more members of the Voting Committee to say "over my dead body" than most others, particularly the members of '60's and 70's rock bands who probably (erroneously) view him in the same vein as Britney Spears or something. He has a very abrasive image and there was a history of other artists like that (Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols, N.W.A) taking many nominations (granted, he is much bigger commercially than any of them.) The previous white rappers The Beastie Boys also took several nominations. Sure, gangsta rappers like 2Pac and Biggie went straight in, but they also had universal support from black voters, which I'm not sure Eminem will have, I would not be surprised if many black voters resent Eminem for co-opting a black genre. Obviously, he influenced many, many black rappers like Kendrick Lamar but they aren't voters yet and I'm not sure how much respect he has from people before him. There are also probably people who won't vote for him because of his problematic lyrics in an era when that has become more important. Additionally, I'm not sure how gung-ho the critics will go for him since it seems the standard consensus is that he was an elite artist from 1999-2002 and then remained popular with mostly garbage after that; he kind of comes off like the rap version of Weezer in that way although he was obviously much bigger than them in a pop sense.

plus, There seems to be a pattern in which Rap/Hip-Hop acts get into the Rock Hall and it goes like this:

2007: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2008.
2009: Run-DMC
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2010 and 2011.
2012: The Beastie Boys
2013: Public Enemy
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2014 and 2015.
2016: N.W.A.
2017: Tupac Shakur
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2018 and 2019.
2020: The Notorious B.I.G.
2021: Jay-Z and LL Cool J


So based on that pattern, Yes, I really do think that Eminem could shockingly miss out this year on his first year eligible just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band two years ago in 2020 and I'm surprised more people aren't predicting it. In that case, Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year if Eminem gets shockingly snubbed (I really think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

I'm not as convinced as everyone else that Eminem will get in 1st time based on the things/reasons that I just said. I don't think he's a shoo-in this time around; eventually yes, but could take several nominations. I think the safest bet this year is actually Dolly Parton (not Eminem).

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 22:13pm


Mat R,

Both Pat and Judas Priest are Classic Rock nominees, which is why I think she's a threat to them. Rockists, if they will vote for more than one, will probably vote for both Priest and Rage. I think they would vote for any combination of Pat/MC5/Dolls/Beck/Devo/Duran Duran in addition to Priest and Rage.

Of course, I think 5 should be mandatory for every ballot.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 22:35pm


Follower,

Don't voters have a huge disclaimer while voting that all voters should check 5 acts or else it won't be valid?

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 22:49pm


Also Richie stop being delusional. Eminem is pretty locked and loaded. You may think I have too much confidence, but an act like him is too big to pass by. Another thing, stop posting so many long posts! TL:DR man!

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 22:51pm


Richie

Stop posting this. You've said it like 7 times and the odds of that happening are next to zero cause Madonna, Metallica, Guns N Roses, Prince, Jay-Z, Run-DMC, Public Enemy, 2Pac, Biggie, and Green Day all went in first year. All those inductees fly in the face of a lot of what you said.

Also Eminem is pretty widely respected by the older generation of rapper and sold like 25 times as many albums as Radiohead. Eminem going in actually gives the Hall more relevance in the modern music landscape than any other possible inductee they've had in a while cause you know he was the best selling artist of the 2000s and 2010s and had one of the 10 best selling albums of 2020.

The only way I see it really happening is people holding 20 year old grudges over him getting rap onto rock radio

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 23:03pm


Plebeian,

My fear is that he is too much of a polarizing figure to go in right away, I think he gets in, but I think his controversial career causes delay of a year or two. I hope he gets in this year, but I have my doubts. Other acts that were controversial and edgy like Black Sabbath, The Stooges, The Sex Pistols and N.W.A all had long delays for their inductions for me to be confident about Eminem getting in as an FYE, I love Eminem and think he should be a slam-dunk first ballot inductee, but he is too much of a controversial and polarizing figure for the current voting committee.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 23:11pm


Mat R,

Yes, but all of these acts that you mentioned that went in FYE (Madonna, Metallica, Guns N' Roses, Prince, Jay-Z, Run-DMC, Public Enemy, 2Pac, Biggie and Green Day) were all less controversial and polarizing than Eminem, so that's the big difference.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 23:18pm


Follower

I agree she's in the rock camp but she's pulling from the general pop one too, probably more so. I largely agree that's probably a variant of the combo but I think it's more likely to be Priest or Rage (the platinum selling superstars) going for one spot and MC5, Devo, and NY Dolls (the innovators), Duran Duran/Eurythmics (the new wave), Pat/Carly/Dolly/Dionne (the divas from rock and beyond) for Rockist ballot assuming they vote Eminem (the guy who got rap on rock radio) as well but I also think most will vote poptimist and there if a low key rockist (which I think is most hall voters - guys who like rock a lot but get the importance of pop and rap and the changing trends) picks Duran Duran, Em, Kate, and Dionne and wants to throw a rock act (cause they like rock) in there I think it's again Priest or Rage cause they're the two big rock bands.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 23:27pm


Hey Richie

Are you not aware of Madonna's Sex book or 2pac's shooting of 2 cops and rape conviction or Prince causing the PMRC or the song "one in a million"?

I actually am starting to question if you're acting in good faith or are just unaware of their histories

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 00:12am


Mat R,

Yes, I'm aware of Madonna's Sex book, 2PAC's shooting of 2 cops and Prince causing the PMRC of the song One In A Million, but Eminem's problematic early stuff might hurt his chances, Much like the Beastie Boys, he might take a few nominations to get recognized, especially with his controversial past. I think that Eminem's continued appetite for stirring controversy could keep him out of the Hall for a few nominations. Hall voters shy away from controversial acts. Given the HOF voters obvious aversion to artists with a history of major controversy, I see him more in the N.W.A. lane than the Jay-Z lane. I think his controversial past may hurt his chances of getting in right away.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 00:26am


Richie

Yes he is in a different lane than Jay-Z and too controversial for the mainstream https://www.instagram.com/reel/CIq1VEyppDL/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=094ec598-544a-4b4a-8247-3ee9ad95a751

Dude just stop cause you're on the verge of just being a troll at this point

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 00:57am


Mat R,

I think that Eminem might need a few nominations due to various controversies, though. Because the main voters tend to shun acts that are too controversial and Eminem still thrives on controversy. He's more like N.W.A. (who took multiple nominations) than he is like Jay-Z (respected business mogul and pop-cult mayor of NYC).

Anyway, Just to let you know that I have been on here now for years and majority of people know that I am autistic, Sometimes I ask the same questions but I mean no offense, I am sorry if I offended you, I am not a troll not by any means, I love to know what other people's opinions are, Again, I apologize if I have upset you and I am not a troll by any means and I shall not ask you any more questions, Have a great night.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 01:23am


Jordan,
I just want to know your thoughts on my Updated predictions. This includes Musical Excellence and Early Influence. You notice that I inserted J Geils Band. Yeah looked deeper on Info. J Geils Band have been nominated 5 times. Since Blues rock has been neglected a lot since Steve Miller. I say it's a good shot. Let's discuss
and let me get your thoughts

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 04:01am


To me, RATM is 'hard rock', whereas Judas Priest is 'Metal'.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 06:31am


I think 2Pac and Biggie were both waaaaaayyy more 'polarizing' than Eminem. Plus, Eminem is white, so that sure don't hurt.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 06:41am


Richie

I agree it could but it's literally 1 in 1000 shot at the currently probably 1 in 100000 with the Super Bowl. The only real controversy that makes sense to keep him out is getting rap onto rock radio and you'd need to be really petty to hold that against him.

You don't need to aplogize you just need to switch up the discussion as best you can cause it is almost the same wall of text and there are other chats to have that are deeper. Who might get the rock vote? How to they deal with a very white class? Is Beck rock enough?

Paul in KY

I get why one would feel that way, they've been embraced by a lot of spaces that don't usually dig metal, but Rage are metal in the same vein as Faith No More, Living Color, Tool, or Jane's Addiction. They fit in well with alt metal and we vital to the birth of nu metal and even today are still regularly discussed in metal circles. They've definitely voided being traditional, for example they jumped between both metal and hard rock at the Grammys, but they are under the metal umbrella.

You're right in that some people might not think of them as a metal act

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 08:11am


Paul in KY,
There you go. I was in error with Rage ATM and Priest. Right!! Rage ATM is Hard Rock and Priest is Metal. Because besides the Heavy thing Rage is perfect as a 90s pick. The classes have averaged 2 90s acts each year. And hey the terrific 80s can be covered by Pat Benatar, Duran D, Lionel Richie and Judas Priest gives us an 80s blitz. 80s of all kinds. I think it will go like that.
Can you perhaps comment on MY special categories. And I'm waiting for Jordan too. J Geils Band I looked up and was reminded they were nominated 5 times. This will put blues rock in the Mix. Hear from all of ya

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 08:56am


Paul in KY,

No, 2Pac and Biggie are not more polarizing than Eminem, Eminem is by far, the most controversial and polarizing rapper ever (other than N.W.A. and Kanye West). I don't think he's a shoo-in for induction this year because the voters don't like controversial artists, I think that due to his ongoing embracing of controversy (the HOF voters tend to be slow to embrace controversial nominees), I think that he could shockingly miss out on induction this year on his first year eligible just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band two years ago in 2020.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 09:45am


I really don't think we'll have any other years (except maybe once in a blue moon) where we don't have a rap/hip-hop inductee. The gates are widening after the induction of two acts in the same year, and there will only be more eligible rap/hip-hop artists to come, which means another base to cover in terms of genres, filled by a whole host of worthy candidates. I think that Eminem will get in on that basis alone, if simply to open the obligatory rap/hip-hop space for other qualified nominees down the line.

Besides, for years that don't have a FYE big name in rap, inducting artists early like Eminem gives the Hall the chance to nominate older acts who may not fare well against modern rap/hip-hop artists, such as A Tribe Called Quest and Wu-Tang Clan.

Posted by Brasssection on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 09:56am


Brasssection,

I have to agree with you about Rap/Hip-Hop, I don't think we'll have any more years (except maybe once in a blue moon) where we don't have a Rap/Hip-Hop inductee, I agree with you, The gates are widening after the induction of two acts in the same year and there will only be more eligible Rap/Hip-Hop artists to come, which means another base to cover in terms of genres, filled by a whole host of worthy candidates, Based on that basis alone, I think that Eminem should and will get in FYE despite him being controversial, he's just too big of a name to be ignored and after the Radiohead fiasco of four years ago when they didn't get in FYE, I think that the Hall wouldn't want to repeat that with Eminem so he's a shoo-in for induction this year whether you like it or not.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 10:04am


My early predictions Part 2

Virtual Locks: My early feeling last Wednesday was there are three acts that are absolutely getting in. Nothing I have seen in the past week has changed my mind. I don't like saying it is a guarantee, but I would be shocked if these three don't make it.

1. Duran Duran: Everyone paying attention has known it is just a matter of time before these guys make the ballot. Now that they are on I expect them to waltz in. Long career, iconic songs, popular acclaim and more recent critical acceptance. Likely finishing Top-2 in the fan vote. Seems like an easy choice.

2. Eminem: One of the biggest acts of the past 20 years. A likely headliner for the ceremony. If Biggie can get in first year, Eminem will. Winning the fan vote helps.

And richie you do not have to respond to this. I know you believe he will not make it. I think he will.

3. Dolly Parton: Country artists are a weird offshoot corner of the rock hall. Very few pure country acts are in, and most of those went in 20+ years ago. But Dolly is a national treasure. Who really would be upset if she makes it? Does she belong over Diana Ross or Kate Bush? Doesn't matter. She'll make it in. Hopefully Willie Nelson follows soon.

Artists with a great chance: This is where the real action is, in my opinion. I see five artists with a good shot, but all will not make it.

1. Lionel Richie: Put me in the camp that is ticked The Commodores weren't nominated first. I understand it, but I don't like it. Lionel has tons of hits and a long career with connections throughout the industry. I also don't think an all-white class is likely. Richie has a very good chance.

2. Carly Simon: She faces some rough competition on this ballot but I think she will receive plenty of votes. She's always been an act that surprised me by never being nominated. Now she's on the ballot. If I had to guess right now I'd see her as just missing, but she has a good chance.

3. Pat Benatar: Everyone and their dog was shocked she didn't make it in two years ago. Then she wasn't nominated last year. She will place Top-5 in the fan vote and is one of the most popular hard rock acts on the ballot. Maybe she's edged out but I like her chances.

4. Eurythmics: This one might be up for debate and I'm sure many think I'm giving them too much of a chance. I think Stewart and Lennox have lots of friends in the industry. They were inescapable on MTV in the early 80s and have a nice mix of critical and popular acclaim. Less likely to make it in than the other names in this category, I think they could surprise. Need a larger class of 6-7 to make it happen.

5. RATM: The ballot sets up pretty well for them, which is a change from past years. No Soundgarden and Jane's Addiction types to compete. That's the main reason I'm putting them so high. This could be their best chance.

My thoughts will evolve over the next couple of months and I'm sure I'll talk myself out of certain things. But this is how I see the ballot right now.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 10:54am


remy10,

I think that Eminem will get in this year, I'm predicting him along with Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon to get in this year. I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 10:59am


If I may paraphrase, respectfully, I think richie's point is that in the current social climate, Eminem ostensibly stands to miss out due to cancel culture. The kind of violence and anger in Eminem's songs is occasionally a little too far out there to be realistic (like Looney Tunes kind of violence), but much of it is very realistic, and has unquestionably happened multiple times, which makes it even more horrifying. Richie, is that a close reiteration to what you've been saying?

That said, the Rock Hall voting bloc is historically deaf to those kinds of objections.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 12:12pm


Philip,

Good to see you on here, regarding Eminem: I think that it could go either way, I absolutely think that he should be a slam-dunk first year eligible inductee based on all of his success and accomplishments, but I think that he may be too controversial and polarizing to get in right away, My point is that in the current social climate, Eminem ostensibly stands to miss out due to cancel culture. The kind of violence and anger in Eminem's songs is occasionally a little too far out there to be realistic (like Looney Tunes kind of violence), but much of it is very realistic, and has unquestionably happened multiple times, which makes it even more horrifying, I think that is a close reiteration to what I've been saying, Black Sabbath, The Stooges, The Sex Pistols and N.W.A. all took many nominations to get in because they were all too dangerous, edgy, abrasive, aggressive and controversial for the Voting Committee, Eminem is in that same boat as all of them (even though he is a much bigger name than all of them), so I feel that Eminem could shockingly miss out this year on his first year eligible just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band two years ago in 2020.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 12:39pm


Jordan,
I did adjust my Predictions. You had Very good point. I like both Rage Against TM and Priest. But lean much more to the Priest.
But I am most interested in you thoughts on my Special Categories. I doubt J Geils Band will ever be a Performer inductee But they are a good pick for Musical Excellence. They had a career in Blues Rock back in the 70s. They are just NOT notable enough as PERFORMER. This will cover Blues Rock. It's another Genre I love but is Neglected a lot since STEVIE RV was inducted. Give your thoughts on alll my Special category picks

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 13:36pm


Only 4 out of the 29 current members of the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame nominating committee are black: James Bernard - The Source Magazine, Reginald C. Dennis - The Source Magazine, Tom Morello, and Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson. I guess they are the ones nominating rappers. Dave Grohl and Tom Morello are also the ones nominating heavy metal bands.

White Heavy Metal bands are having trouble getting inducted, while black R&B groups are having trouble getting nominated.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 15:09pm


while we're on the topic of metal and the hall and side categories, y'all think there's a chance, should priest or rage miss in the main vote, that the hall puts up a metal figure or act for musical excellence, like rhoads last year, or maybe early influence? someone like ronnie james dio, blue cheer, steppenwolf, or maybe even priest. it's one way to avoid the criticism they get from metal circles

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 15:43pm


I wonder why Kate Bush is the only returning nominee who is doing better in the fan vote than last time.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 15:45pm


Mat R,

I actually think Ronnie James Dio would check a ton of boxes for a Musical Excellence induction, and it very well may happen for him this year. He was snubbed from being inducted as a performer with Sabbath, he was involved with a lot of groups, none of whom have a shot of ever getting in on their own, and has that kind of legendary status that the category is meant for.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 15:51pm


Follower

Cause she has a growing and passionate fanbase and every new rock and pop act to come out in the last few years cites her as an influence.

I exaggerate but those definitely factors

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 15:53pm


Follower,

This is fairly anecdotal and might not be the real reason, but in my experience as a late Millennial, I'm seeing that Kate Bush is becoming one of those artists that younger generations are really getting into. Basically all of the younger Millennials and Gen Zers that are into current art pop stuff like St Vincent, Phoebe Bridgers, Mitski, Lana Del Rey, Caroline Polachek, Lorde, Japanese Breakfast, even Billie Eilish, etc. have all discovered KB through the artists that followed her and now list themselves as huge fans. It probably won't move the needle much, as there is no overlap between college students on TikTok and the Rock Hall voting body, but it can definitely affect the fan vote and is worth noting for the future.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 16:05pm


K-Dawg,

You said yesterday that your official predictions for the 2022 inductees would be coming today, but you haven't posted it yet, Is it still coming today?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 17:55pm


Rg

I totally agree. The guy was active from 1957 to 2010, is regarded as the greatest metal vocalist by many, popularized the devils horns, and, as you mentioned, was snubbed from the sabbath induction. He totally makes sense for musical excellence.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 19:21pm


K-Dawg,

You said that you would be making your official predictions for the 2022 inductees today, but you still haven't posted it, Is it still coming today?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 22:41pm


They need a history of nominees by year.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 02:01am


For the ever inquisitive Richie...here are my predictions for inductees for the 2022 class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame:

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Dolly Parton
4. Carly Simon
5. Lionel Richie
6. Eurythmics
(if 7) Judas Priest

Pat Benatar has a compelling case, Rage SHOULD go in if for no other reason to quit taking that slot away from a 90s band, and others like Kate Bush and Beck are deserving, but the Hall gave us a very diverse and deserving class. I predict there will be 6 main inductees; there remains a great chance for a couple of these acts to get in on other categories.

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 05:43am


Anyone have any special category predictions at all?

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 07:31am


Ben/mat r, was thinking that Judas Priest is 'Traditional Metal'. To me, that means you have a charismatic/theatrical lead singer who hardly ever plays an instrument on stage, with a 2 guitar attack behind him/her & the bassist/drummer. Avatar would be another good example of that kind of band.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 07:36am


richie, we'll just have to agree to disagree on Eminem's polarity vs 2Pac/Biggie. Do like to hear your opinions.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 07:37am


Paul in KY,

I think that there is some ill will toward him (Eminem) that could possibly get in the way of him getting inducted this year, so he could shockingly miss out this year on his first year eligible just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band two years ago in 2020.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 08:50am


Like to point out the 3-timers or more stat again. Last five years were:

2017: Yes
2018: The Cars
2019: Janet Jackson and The Zombies
2020: Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails
2021: Todd Rundgren (Kraftwerk and LL Cool J don't count)
2022: ???

Either Rage or Priest will fill the blank in that slot. Who knows?

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 08:52am


Another thought I think we are overestimating Benatar getting in.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 08:56am


There seems to be a pattern every couple years where an artist that everyone predicted to go in that year got shockingly left out and it goes like this:

2016: Janet Jackson got shockingly left out despite everyone predicting her to go in that year.
2018: Radiohead got shockingly left out on their first year eligible despite everyone predicting them to go in that year.
2020: Pat Benatar got shockingly left out despite everyone predicting her to go in that year.

So I'm going out on a limb and say that Eminem will shockingly miss out this year on his first year eligible, I think that he may be too controversial, edgy, dangerous, aggressive and abrasive for the Voting Committee to go in right away (see Black Sabbath, The Stooges, The Sex Pistols, N.W.A.), with the Rock Hall's current female-friendly climate and Eminem's problematic early stuff (homophobic and violent lyrics against women) and the fact that Eminem still thrives on controversy to this day, I think there's a huge chance that it will happen.

Thoughts?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 09:12am


Plebeian,

I have to disagree with you about you overestimating Pat Benatar, I think she's getting in this year as well as she should, She's the only Classic Rock artist on the ballot this year and there was a huge outcry about her snub last time in 2020, so I think she's getting in this year as well as she should.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 09:16am


Question about the Previously Considered artists list: Besides the artists that have actually been nominated, how do we know the artists on the list who haven't been nominated were previously considered? Do we have sources for some of these?

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 09:53am


The past two Rock Hall induction classes (2020 and 2021) saw four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees get in for a total of 6 Performer inductees for both classes. for 2020: The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, The Notorious B.I.G. and T. Rex as first-time nominees and Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails as repeat nominees. and for 2021: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z and Tina Turner as first-time nominees and Carole King and Todd Rundgren as repeat nominees. Now, If that trend continues this year for 2022, Which four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees do you see getting inducted as Performers this year if that trend continues?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 11:35am


What I'm hoping for: Kate Bush, Judas Priest, Fela Kuti, Carly Simon, Dionne Warwick

What I think it will be (in order of likelihood from most to least): Eminem, Pat Benatar, Dionne Warwick, Dolly Parton, Rage Against the Machine, (if 6) Judas Priest, (if 7) Eurythmics, (if 8) New York Dolls

Posted by Chris on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 11:40am


Considering my question hasn't been answered yet, I'm assuming it is some treasonous to ask about and Im expecting to be assassinated at any moment for trying to discover the truth

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 12:24pm


Plebeian and richie

I agree people are overestimating pat's chances but still think she's likely to go in. I don't agree with this sense that she's the classic rock nominee either because, while she had way more hits, she has as many modern day classic rock radio staples as judas priest (you're probably more likely to hear breaking the law than heartbreaker or hit me with your best shot) and maybe now even beck and rage due to the format change and fewer pop classics than duran duran. You could also can't really place her as the video artist cause of duran duran, lionel richie, and even beck are there. There's also the we need more women vote which is where she probably faces her stiffest competition (dolly, carly, dionne, kate).

She's got a big tent which is why i think she goes in but every single box that people want to say might be her's she has some stiff competition.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 13:24pm


Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop) his association with Dr. Dre places him at the bottom of this list. (No)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk) No offense to David Johansen, but I prefer his alter ego (Buster Poindexter).
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (No)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent) -(Yes)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter) (maybe)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (Yes)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog) (Not yet, unfortunately)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 14:24pm


Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year in two scenarios (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

If Eminem doesn't get snubbed:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

If Eminem gets snubbed:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers (If Eminem doesn't get snubbed): Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

Spoilers (If Eminem gets snubbed): Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

I'm not 100% confident on Eminem unlike everyone else, He has a very dangerous and aggressive vibe and He has a very abrasive image that the Hall tends to find repellent, that's why it took Black Sabbath, The Stooges, The Sex Pistols and N.W.A. many nominations to get in because they were all edgy and controversial as well, so I'm not 100% confident on Eminem getting in right away even though he should be a slam-dunk FYE inductee because he's a very controversial and polarizing figure and Hall voters don't like controversial acts and tend to shun them. also, there may very well be "rap fatigue" among the voting body that still isn't 100% sold on the genre, so I'm not 100% confident on Eminem getting in FYE unlike everyone else, even though he really should be.

Any thoughts?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 14:49pm


Richie

If eminem Doesn't get in it's a statement vote more than likely about his homophobic lyrics (it's his biggest recurring controversy). If it's a statement against homophobia don't you think voters would also favour recognizing the only LGBTQ figure on the ballot, rob halford, otherwise risk making said statement look foolish and out of touch? Especially if it's 7 artists.

Based on that why class judas priest as spoiler instead of a top 7

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 16:34pm


Richie

Sorry meant to say organized statement vote against him for his homophobic lyrics

Posted by Matthew R on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 16:48pm


Mat R,

I hesitate to predict Judas Priest getting in because Metal has had an extremely tough time getting inducted, but I think that this is best chance yet for a couple of reasons, One, This is their third nomination and we have seen acts get in on their third nomination in recent years (Joan Jett & The Blackhearts and Lou Reed in 2015, Deep Purple in 2016, Yes in 2017, The Cars in 2018, Janet Jackson in 2019, Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails in 2020 and Todd Rundgren last year in 2021), so they definitely have that in their favor, Out of all of the acts that are nominated for the third time this year (Kate Bush, Devo, Judas Priest and New York Dolls), I think that Priest has the best chance, I'm not predicting them to get in because of what I mentioned, but I think that this is their best chance yet. and Two, They are on a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot, On their first nomination in 2018, They had to go up against Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, The J. Geils Band, The Moody Blues and The Zombies as Classic Rock nominees and On their second nomination in 2020, They had to go up against Pat Benatar, The Doobie Brothers, Motorhead, Todd Rundgren, T. Rex and Thin Lizzy as Classic Rock nominees, but this year, their only competition from the Classic Rock world is Pat Benatar, so that also helps them as well, I'm hesitating to predict them because Metal is a tough sell for the voting committee (Black Sabbath took 8 nominations and Iron Maiden and Motorhead have both failed to get in so far despite one nomination for both), but Judas Priest have had more songs played on Classic Rock Radio than Iron Maiden and Motorhead, so I think that they have a better chance this year than the previous two times that they were nominated.

Regarding Eminem: I think he gets in, but I won't be surprised if he doesn't because of his homophobic lyrics (it's his biggest recurring controversy) and I have to agree with you, it would be an organized statement vote against him for his homophobic lyrics if he doesn't get in, I'm still predicting him, but I'm not 100% confident as everyone else.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 17:05pm


Richie

But if it is meant to be a statement then wouldn't that also likely involve trying to push Rob Halford, who is a pretty legit gay icon (yes there are other gay icons on the ballot but they are, at least publicly, heterosexual), into the hall in spite of Eminem? Metal and 3rd nominations aside, a statement vote about homophobia could be seen as kind of meaningless or even go completely unnoticed when you also snub the lone prominent LGBTQ individual on the ballot. If there a conspiracy to screw Eminem over homophobia, elevating Rob and JP would be essential to their efforts otherwise it's just a waste of energy and political power

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 17:47pm


Someone more familiar with his catalogue should do a "Rock Hallers Eminem has dissed" list. I think he dissed Elvis once. (I know Public Enemy did, but Chuck D changed his mind after learning the "buy my records and shine my shoes" rumor was false, alongside learning other things about the King.)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 19:36pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W, K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, KING, Casper, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Nick B., Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

The past two induction classes (2020 and 2021) saw four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees get in for a total of 6 Performer inductees for both classes. for 2020: The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, The Notorious B.I.G. and T. Rex as first-time nominees and Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails as repeat nominees. and for 2021: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z and Tina Turner as first-time nominees and Carole King and Todd Rundgren as repeat nominees. Now, If that trend continues this year for 2022, Which four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees do you see getting inducted as Performers this year if that trend continues?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 19:41pm


Follower

Here is the full list

Michael Jackson
Dr. Dre
Elvis
Kurt Cobain
Elton John
Madonna

Of them Jackson, Elvis, and Cobain are dead while Dre, Elton, and Madonna STAN him.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 19:46pm


If it was 4 first time and 2 second+ nominees

First Timer
-Eminem
-Beck
-Dolly
-Carly

Multiple
-Dionne
-Judas Priest

Early Influence
-MC5

Musical Excellence
-Devo

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 20:09pm


I think Caspar (or anyone with the book about charts) should give us the top singles/albums acts not in the hall now that country is fair game. (There's got to be several country acts bigger on the album charts than Dave Matthews Band. I don't think either of the two singles acts bigger than Mariah Carey would be country.)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 21:00pm


Joe S.,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 23:03pm


I dont think Eminems songs will hurt him as much as some people think. There are other controversial artists who got in without any of the mention he is drawing here. Jay Z is a great example just last year, and while I admit he didn't go as fas as em, his lyrics are comparable. I think Eminem gets in this year easily

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 23:15pm


K-Dawg,

The past two induction classes (2020 and 2021) saw four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees get in for a total of 6 Performer inductees for both classes. for 2020: The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, The Notorious B.I.G. and T. Rex as first-time nominees and Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails as repeat nominees. and for 2021: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z and Tina Turner as first-time nominees and Carole King and Todd Rundgren as repeat nominees. Now, If that trend continues this year for 2022, Which four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees do you see getting inducted as Performers this year if that trend continues?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 23:22pm


K-Dawg

Oh yea Em is getting in. I'm just humouring richie cause they really seem interested in a chat about this. It would take a grand conspiracy to take him down and it would risk looking super out of touch.

Em really needs to be seen a the pop inductee this year rather than the rap one IMO. He was after all the best selling the best selling act of the 2000s, best selling male artist of the 2010s, has one of the 10 best selling albums of 2020s so far, is doing a Super Bowl half time show, has five #1 Hot 100 singles, the joint third most #1 albums of any solo artist. I really don't get why people are fixated on labeling him the rap rep when he's clearly the freaking pop super duper mega star of this group.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 23:27pm


Mat R,

I think that Eminem is more of a Rap/Hip-Hop megastar than a Pop megastar, He is the Rap/Hip-Hop inductee this year, not the Pop inductee, IMO.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 00:23am


If that trend were to continue, I'd have to throw it at the Eurythmics, which I already predicted to be there, and either Pat Benatar or Rage. My gut tells me a bunch of the first time noms are going in though, and I hold to virtually all of the ones I mentioned being the favorites. With a group including Duran Duran, Eminem, Dolly Parton, Carly Simon and Lionel Richie, every one of them has a compelling argument to be in now. If not for influence, for previous trends of the voters

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 01:24am


Richie

I understand but over the last decade rap literally became the dominant sound in pop, away from rock, rnb, and dance, (reminder between 2001 [when "how you remind me was" #1] and 2006 [when "you're beautiful" reached #1] every #1 single on the hot 100 was either a rap song, features a rapper, or produced by a noted hip hop producer) and eminem was the biggest face, only really rivalled by kanye and drake, in not only that shift but music in general.

He represents that sea change in pop and trying to cram him into that rap box is very foolish especially as the nominating committee, the hall's marketing wing, and probably the majority of the general voters are well aware he is the moment that rap becomes the sound of mainstream pop.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 01:26am


*Sans American idol

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 01:35am


Maybe I have too much faith and I'm too much of a fan, but I think we are really underestimating Rage. Also there is no way all 5 in the fan vote get in. Way too fishy for me and I doubt we are going full blown 80s with the class. We are predicting Eurythmics, Benatar, Duran Duran, and Richie to be posed as possible 80s representative inductees, but I don't see it that way. I have a suspicion one of the locks that we are "thinking" are safe is gonna get axed. And it's not Eminem. Just a hunch.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 01:44am


One thing that probably contributed to Eminem's nomination was his choice as being a part of the Super Bowl halftime show.

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 02:25am


WANT
Devo
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Judas Priest
Beck

OK WITH
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
Rage Against the Machine
New York Dolls

DON'T WANT
A Tribe Called Quest
MC5
Eminem

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 02:32am


Raichu,
HELLO, Hello. I've been trying to get Jordan. I'll get you instead. I Predicted the special categories 3 days ago on 2/8. You missed my post. I'll copy and paste it here. I felt I should update my predictions for the Regular Performers and may as well include Musical Excellence and Early Influence. I have predicted Special categories. It's funny I've been trying to get Jordan's thoughts on my predictions of Special Categories. Ha and you are asking did anyone predict the Special categories. Look no further. I'm the guy that has.

This is my Updated predictions for 2022 Inductees

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
.Chaka Khan
J. Geils Band
.The Meters

EARLY INFLUENCE
John Coltrane
Gram Parsons
Dionne Warwick

There you are. It's makes it easier than scrolling up to 2/8.
You notice that I inserted J Geils Band. Yeah looked deeper on Info. J Geils Band have been nominated 5 times. Since Blues rock has been neglected a lot since Steve Miller. I say it's a good shot. Let's discuss. I will discuss with you. Go ahead.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 04:32am


Plebeian,

You're probably right in a couple respects. I am looking at it as the ones who SHOULD get in based in terms of sheer influence, but yes, the Hall has a tendency to do 2 60s/70s, 2 80s and 2 90s. Given that, Rage, Beck or Eminem stand excellent chances of being nommed. I'll give Rage a slight nod over Beck because of Tom Morello and the potential justification of "he we put a rock band in" over a more deserving Judas Priest. I don't hate Rage, don't get me wrong. It's just that they've had YEARS to put them in, and they seem to be to me a "safe choice" for the committee to try to check its token box on more than one front. They should've gone in a couple years ago, and they're both going to cost one or two acts their potential slot this year as well as continuing to gum up the 90s rock from getting into the Hall in a timely manner. I won't change my predictions yet, but it's definitely on the radar that they are creeping up onto the favorites (not necessarily by popularity, but by tendency) to be on that pedestal in LA.

Again, nothing against RATM, it's more a knock on the committee...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 07:54am


Plebeian and K-Dawg,

If one of the acts that we've been heavily mentioning is gonna get axed, I think it will be Lionel Richie, I think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own and Darin Gailey said on Twitter that he thinks he may be a little too AC for even this Voting Committee and Nick Bambach also said on Twitter that he thinks that It might be a tad too AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), so I think that if one of the acts that we've been heavily mentioned is gonna get axed, it will be Lionel, not Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton or Carly Simon.

Regarding Rage Against The Machine: I love them and think that they really should get in, but they're facing tough competition this time around, I do have as a spoiler though, I think that they could sneak in this year, that's why I have them as a spoiler, but I have my doubts.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 09:05am


Hey Guys,

I really want you guys to cautiously predict 7 inductees this year instead of 6 because there are 17 nominees this year instead of 16 and it's also a hugely competitive ballot this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 09:23am


Ok so voting on the What-If google form I made has stopped, so I'm gonna reveal the results:
Judas Priest got 6 votes
Pat Benatar, Eminem and Rage Against the Machine all got 5
Dolly Parton, The Monkees, Fiona Apple and A Tribe Called Quest all got 4
Soundgarden and Fela Kuti got 3
Cher, Beck, Warren Zevon, New York Dolls, Eurythmics and Duran Duran all got 2
Slade and Meat Loaf got 1
Dionne Warwick and the Commodores got 0

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 10:07am


Richie

If 7

Eminem
Dolly
Pat
Dionne
Duran Duran
Judas Priest

And for #7 I'd guess the lone musicians musician on the list. The one who wrote, producer, engineered, arranged, and performed every instrument on his stuff and enjoyed a great deal of acclaim and commercial success: Beck.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 10:08am


Richie,

For once I agree with you. Lionel is not a critical darling far from it. That probably cost Benatar to not get in last time. Though Benatar has the advantage being boomer classic rock radio and a woman to the mix. When notoriously known non-critical darlings like JP and Warwick (who is also adult contemporary) place way higher than him on Acclaimed Music that looks pretty alarming. I think the Commodores argument is that people are bitter that 70s R&B does not get much respect and the last time we got one was Bill Withers back in 2015. But Troy Smith said it bluntly: Richie plays concerts, festivals, stadiums, etc. The Commodores play at the local Louisiana casino. All money talking.

Another thing is Rage has many factors for them to get in this year.

1) 30-year anniversary debut album
2) Much delayed and awaited reunion tour
3) Morello
4) Hometown advantage in L.A. should get them a edge
5) They are arguably the only pure 90s rock band with almost no one in their lane

That's why I think they might get in. Certain stars aligning kind of like NIN and FFs.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 10:50am


Plebeian,

For once, I have to agree with you about RATM, I think that the stars are aligning for them this year based on everything you just said, plus Beck is also from LA as well, so both Beck and Rage have that hometown edge going for them as well, I'm thinking that I should swap out Lionel for Rage, that's what I'm going to do:

Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far), Lionel Richie

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 11:07am


Richie,

My original prediction fits your 4 new, 2 previously nominated question, so I'll stick with that.

Eminem
Duran Duran
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest

If there's a seventh, I'd guess it would be Lionel Richie, RATM, Beck, or Kate Bush.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 11:36am


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W, K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, KING, Casper, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Nick B., Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

In the event that one of the bands/acts on the ballot gets an induction this year, who would be the biggest beneficiary of that act next year?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 11:42am


richie,
I don't really understand the question

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 12:53pm


Richie

If I'm understanding your question correctly, should devo, eurythmics, and especially beck or kate bush get in bjork benefits greatly. One of those plus radiohead and nin being in quashes a lot of the hesitation about her being too outthere i think

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 12:58pm


I think we are way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and he has the huge name recognition and star power, and totally needs to be in the HOF no doubt, but I just don't see it this year, He doesn't have any critical acclaim and He might be a little too Adult Contemporary/Pop for even this Voting Committee, plus he will split votes with Dionne Warwick as they're both Black artists and also Adult Contemporary/Pop artists, and I also think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I just think that it might be a tad too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), If Dionne Warwick (who's also nominated this year) couldn't get in last year because she might have been deemed too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee, then I highly doubt Lionel will this year despite his legendary status.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 14:49pm


That's a 17 part question. I'd need some time to write that up, but it's a fun query

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 14:50pm


With all the questions that boy asks, The Moody Blues' 'Questions' must be his favorite song.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:07pm


Joe,

I like to talk to people on here and ask questions all the time, because it's my job and I love it, and No, Questions by The Moody Blues is not my favorite song, Not even close to being my favorite song.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:16pm


Wait, asking questions is a job?

And it's a joke and I'm being sarcastic.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:20pm


Joe,

Who do you see being the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:21pm


MC5
New York Dolls
Fela Kuti
A Tribe Called Quest
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Devo

These 7 will get inducted.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:29pm


Richie

Beck: Bjork or Sparks
Pat Benatar: Cyndi Lauper or The Bangles
Devo: The B-52s
Duran Duran: INXS
Dolly Parton: Marle Haggard, Willie Nelson, Loretta Lynn, Patsy Cline or Emmylou Harris
Eminem: OutKast
Eurythmics: Pet Shop Boys
Lionel Richie: The Commodores, Sting or Phil Collins
Dionne Warwick: The Carpenters
Judas Priest: Iron Maiden
Fela Kuti: Miriam Makeba
MC5: The Sonics
New York Dolls: Big Star
Kate Bush: Bjork, Tori Amos or Fiona Apple
A Tribe Called Quest: De La Soul
Carly Simon: Warren Zevon
Rage Against the Machine: Soundgarden or Alice in Chains

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:41pm


Greg F,

Who do you see being the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 16:02pm


Richie

1. Eminem
2. Dolly Parton
3. Duran Duran
4. Carly Simon
5. Judas Priest
6. Pat Benatar
7. New York Dolls

Spoiler: Beck, Eurythmics, Dionne Warwick, Lionel Richie

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 18:29pm


I'm starting to think we're grossly underestimating Beck's odds. We know the industry universally respects him deeply as an artist (probably more than most of those nominated), he's been consistently commercially relevant as a musician for probably longer than anyone else nominated aside from maybe judas priest, and he's made a lot of friends like Dave Grohl, U2, The Rolling Stone, and Bob Dylan. This is a guy who is so respected that he beat Beyonce in the year of Beyonce with a forgettable album, a sign that he probably got that older white guy vote.

The more i think about it, the I feel like there's a good chance beck isn't a lot of people's top 3 but probably there #4 or 5 pick (like a lot).

Thoughts?

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 20:41pm


Mat R,

I think that Beck could sneak in, but I'm not predicting him to get in because Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine and Soundgarden all didn't get inducted on their first nominations, He's got huge respect from both older and younger musicians and is a huge critical favorite as well, plus the ceremony's in LA (his hometown) this year, so that definitely helps him as well, I think that he could sneak in, but I'm not predicting him to get in FYN because of those acts that I mentioned that didn't get in FYN/FYE.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 21:04pm


Richie

I feel his odds might actually be as strong, if not stronger, as like Duran Duran or Lionel Richie or Pat Benatar. They're MTV stars, he's an MTV star, they sold records, he sold records, they have truly iconic songs, he has truly iconic songs, they won boat loads of Grammys, he won boat loads of Grammys. Beck's edge might be Odelay being a undeniable classic album.

I hear you on the 90s acts waiting, but Beck has one thing most of those didn't: a nominee class packed to the brim with 80s nostalgia and a lack of "rock".

There's a good chance an 80s nostalgia show bookended with Dolly Parton and Eminem and a Dionne tribute in the middle would be an unappealing thought to many. Beck being a 90s and 00s might provide a nice breath of fresh air to many voters who don't want rap rock or another tribute in place for some "second or third tier" 80s synth act on what will probably be the most culturally relevant induction ceremony (due to Eminem still being a hitmaker) they've done in ages. Beck and Tribe, both of whom are still relevant, stand a good chance at gaining that "I'm sick of the 80s" vote with Beck having the old rock guy vote.

I think you're right in that it's likely they want to do 7 artists but I don't see them wanting to put on an 80s nostalgia show which is why a likable and respected guy like Beck might be there

Posted by mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 21:36pm


Mat R,

I know, but if Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails didn't get in right away and Jane's Addiction, Dave Matthews Band, Rage Against The Machine (who's also nominated this year) and Soundgarden can't get in, then I highly doubt that Beck will despite huge respect from his peers and critics.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 21:49pm


Mat R,

I think that they want to put on an 80's nostalgia show, so that's why I'm predicting Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and Eurythmics to get in this year, As much as I love Beck, I think that his low showing in the fan vote (he's at #15 in the fan vote) will hurt him, I think that he could sneak in, but I think that if Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails didn't get in right away and if Jane's Addiction, Dave Matthews Band, Rage Against The Machine (who's also nominated this year) and Soundgarden can't get in, then I highly doubt Beck will despite huge respect from his peers and fellow musicians as well as music critics.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 22:03pm


Richie

Re: Radiohead and NIN.

Radiohead on the Hall in 2017

Phil Selway: "We'd have to sit down and talk about it, but it's probably not at the top of my list of things to do. But who knows? I don't know."

Jonny Greenwood: "I don't care."

Thom Yorke: "It wouldn't be the first place … don't ask me things like that."

Ed O'Brien: "I don't want to be rude about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because for a lot of people it means something, but culturally I don't understand it."

Also Trent Reznor in 2017: "I saw somebody write something online or comment on Twitter like, 'What could be less rock and roll than the f*ck*n' Hall Of Fame?' And that is authentically how I feel about it. I'll say this: It's nice to be appreciated. It's nicer when it feels like that's coming from a place that you care about"

Meanwhile Beck in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u818D6mXQ78

Also I said I don't think Beck is anyone's #1 but he's an industry fave and a refresher for 80s stuff and I don't think they want to be an 80s nostalgia show because this is meant to be the year of Eminem and an overly New Wave show would not go over well with his fans at the live show and they know it. They can get away with 2 maybe 3 but 4 not a chance. We all know voters consider that as well. (BTW Jay-Z was dead last in the fan vote last year)

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 22:27pm


Mat R,

but you're wrong, I think that they want it to be an 80's nostalgia show with Pat, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, I think that this is the year of the 80's as well as it should be, I think that Beck will get in on his second try next year just like Radiohead did in 2019 and I think that Dionne Warwick will take three tries to get in just like Janet Jackson did.

Anyway, Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (if it's 6):

Pat Benatar (Classic Rock pick)
Duran Duran (1 of two New Wave picks, plus likely Fan Vote Winner)
Eminem (FYE lock/shoo-in)
Eurythmics (2nd of two New Wave picks, plus they're this year's Steve Miller/Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfler/Brian Eno & Bryan Ferry/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl/Todd Rundgren with huge respect in the music industry)
Dolly Parton (this year's Joan Baez and Nina Simone, Enough said)
Carly Simon (this year's Singer-Songwriter pick)

If 7:

Rage Against The Machine (I think that the fourth time will be the charm for them, if they do 7 inductees, plus the ceremony's in LA this year)

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 22:38pm


Mat R,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoiler: Rage Against The Machine

I think that it'll be an all-white class this year, I think that Dionne Warwick will once again be seen as too Adult Contemporary/Pop for even this Voting Committee and the same will be said for Lionel Richie, I think that Lionel will be seen as too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example) and he'll split votes with Dionne as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists, I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated, The other acts that are nominated (A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Devo, Fela Kuti, MC5 and New York Dolls) have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 23:55pm


Richie

How am I wrong exactly? I see why you think 80s nostalgia is the name of the game but the very first artist they highlighted on all their social media accounts (not counting retweets) was Eminem. He's also been killing the fan vote (I think he's got like 15k votes on Duran Duran) and they've highlighted that as well. After him it seems they want to make a big deal of Dolly because, other than Eminem, she dominated the headlines out of the gate. They've both just come out a owned the mainstream discourse and it's reflecting in the halls promo material and if both of them get in and are meant to be the highlights, 80s nostalgia would not fly.

Back to Beck.

You seem to not like holes and this class has a lot of holes in it with no clear figures in spots that you seem to think they occupy. I'm not telling you Beck is getting in, I'm telling you there are a lot of factors that make him getting in a lot more likely than you seem to want them to be.

Looking at your list there, I'm just going to do a quick breakdown ok?

Eurythmics - Yes they are well respected and beloved figures and yea they're a 2nd time nominee but Beck also hits this spot very, very well

Carly Simon - Yes she is the 70s singer songwriter but if someone is going off acclaim and major accolades, Beck is the more celebrated singer-songwriter

Rage Against The Machine - Yes on nomination #4, yes a rock act, yes one of the last megastar rock bands however much shorter career, much smaller discography, and influence is questionable compared to Beck.

Beck hits a lot of boxes probably more broadly than anyone else listed. While everyone has bases, Beck has a hodgepodge coalition of sorts. He's that guy who has a lot of potential to have the most 5th place votes while rarely hitting top 3, especially if voters either want an eclectic show or just want to avoid an semi-80s nostalgia show. Is that a dark horse spoiler or is that a serious contender? I don't know but I think placing him as the 4th rank spoiler (aka spot number 11) instead of strong contender for that hypothetical 7th or even the 6th spot is correct. I think he's way more in the mix than people (including myself) have previously thought

Now you keep bringing up Radiohead but Radiohead on the record didn't care while Beck is on friendly terms with the hall. Also Foo Fighters went in first year they were eligible, I think that helps Beck.

Now I will say, Beck can wait and Beck probably does have some people mad at him over Scientology, stuff he said about rehabs, his poor interview with Nardwuar (aka a guy a lot of musicians love) and some who see him as a joke due to "Who is Beck?" and Kanye overshadowing his big Grammy win and people who think he's not a big deal cause he has one top 40 singles. That stuff would haunt a lot of people and I think it hangs over Beck but I still think Beck is a lot of industry people's #5 pick.

Feel free to disagree but don't just tell me I'm wrong when we're speculating on nominees and branding

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 23:55pm


Mat R,

I'm predicting Beck to get in now, I just swapped out Rage Against The Machine for Beck, so, without further adieu, Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I really think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck (This year's 90's Alternative pick)
Pat Benatar (This year's Classic Rock pick)
Duran Duran (1st of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks, plus likely Fan Vote Winner)
Eminem (FYE lock/shoo-in)
Eurythmics (2nd of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks, plus they're this year's Steve Miller/Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfler/Brian Eno & Bryan Ferry/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl/Todd Rundgren with huge respect and huge connections in the music industry)
Dolly Parton (This year's Joan Baez and Nina Simone, Enough said)
Carly Simon (This year's 70's Singer-Songwriter pick)

Spoiler: Rage Against The Machine

I think that it'll be an all-white class this year, I think that Dionne Warwick will once again be seen as too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee and the same will be said for Lionel Richie, I think that Lionel will also be seen as too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example) and he'll split votes with Dionne as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists, I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated, The other acts that are nominated this year (A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Devo, Fela Kuti, MC5 and New York Dolls) have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 00:23am


Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop) his association with Dr. Dre places him at the bottom of this list. (No)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk) No offense to David Johansen, but I prefer his alter ego (Buster Poindexter).
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (No)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent) -(Yes)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter) (maybe)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (Yes)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog) (Not yet, unfortunately)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 02:29am


Does anyone have a "worst possible inductors" list?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 02:49am


Raichu,
2 days ago in the morning you wrote:
"Anyone have any special category predictions at all"?

I posted my Updated List. It does indeed include the Special Categories.
This is my Updated predictions for 2022 Inductees

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
.Chaka Khan
J. Geils Band
.The Meters

EARLY INFLUENCE
John Coltrane
Gram Parsons
Dionne Warwick

Raichu, You will note I picked J. Geils Band. That's because they were nominated 5 times. Since the recent classes have been devoid of Blues Rock this covers that. PLEASE respond. I would like to discuss.
For Early Influence I have ventured slightly to the 70s. Gram Parson is a pick here, I checked facts. He started releasing things around 1967,68. I am a big Jazz fan and feel someone in Jazz should be an Early Influence. John Coltrane is one of the best picks for Jazz. I also picked Dionne Warwick. When you're Not busy we shall discuss. I probably won't repeat this again. I'm hoping for response. Let's discuss RAICHU.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 04:39am


About the 2022 Nominees, Follower wrote:
Does anyone have a "worst possible inductors" list?
Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 02:49am

You mean a worst case scenario of 2022 inductees?

Fela Kuti
MC5
Devo
Beck
Eminem

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 06:09am


Ben, your picks for special categories are very good. Here's my own picks for those categories.

Early Influence:
John Coltrane
Captain Beefheart & the Magic Band
Ella Fitzgerald

Musical Excellence:
J. Geils Band
Chaka Khan
Hubert Sumlin

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 09:44am


Good picks Ben!

Here is my side categories

Early Influence:

MC5
Big Mama Thornton
Joe Tex

Musical Excellence:

Chaka Khan
Carol Kaye
Gram Parsons

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Rick Rubin

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 10:29am


Plebeian,

Who do you see being the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 10:58am


I'll go ahead and leave this here as well:

Performer:
Duran Duran
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
ATCQ
Judas Priest

Non-Performer:
Estelle Axton

Musical Excellence:
Dr. Dre
Chaka Khan
Carol Kaye

Early Influence:
Fela Kuti
Patsy Cline
Dionne Warwick

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 11:15am


Richie,

From most likely to least likely

Eminem (duh)
Dolly Parton (duh)
Duran Duran (new wave competitors might clog them, but I see them syphoning all votes from them)
Pat Benatar (Critics hate her, but she is classic rock)
Judas Priest (fits the three times the charm model)
Rage Against The Machine (Have faith, all of nothing)
Carly Simon (No one in her lane, but hardly a singer-songwriter that is as acclaimed as her peers and ex-husband)

Spoilers:
Lionel Richie (Need that one singular black act to make the class not lily white and he knows a thing or two about putting on a good show)
Dionne Warwick (Friends in higher places)
Beck (Sleeper dark horse)
Eurythmics (See Warwick)

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 11:16am


Plebeian,

I agree with most of your list (Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Pat Benatar, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon, Dionne Warwick, Beck and Eurythmics), I think that all of these acts that we mentioned are the top contenders for getting inducted this year, but if one Black artist gets in this year, it will be Dionne Warwick, not Lionel Richie. As I said, I think voters will look at Lionel and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, and I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 13:03pm


Roy,

I meant worst possible presenters, like Joe and K-Stud did when they did their show and said David Duke (Grand Wizzard of the KKK) would be the worst inductor for Jay-Z.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 13:12pm


Mat R,

but in all seriousness, Beck is hugely deserving of induction and should get in, in fact, he's a much better choice than Dave Matthews Band (who were nominated two years ago in 2020) and I think that he should have been on the ballot in 2019 or 2020 along with OutKast, I think that if Beck (as well as Eminem) gets in this year, I think that OutKast will be nominated next year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 13:57pm


Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop) his association with Dr. Dre places him at the bottom of this list. (Hell No)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (No, Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk) No offense to David Johansen, but I prefer his alter ego (Buster Poindexter).
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (No)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent) -(Yes)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter) (maybe)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (Yes)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog) (Not yet, unfortunately)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 14:48pm


Please consider this before voting: Which artists on the Nominating Committee's list have cross-generational appeal? If they don't, then I see very little chance of them being actually being inducted.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 14:56pm


Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year and I think that it'll be an all-white class this year):

Beck (This year's 90's Alternative pick)
Pat Benatar (This year's Classic Rock pick)
Duran Duran (1st of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks, plus likely Fan Vote Winner)
Eminem (FYE lock/shoo-in and this year's Rap/Hip-Hop pick)
Eurythmics (2nd of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks, plus they're this year's Steve Miller/Electric Light Orchestra/Dire Straits/Roxy Music/T. Rex/Todd Rundgren with members that have huge respect and huge connections in the music industry)
Dolly Parton (This year's Joan Baez and Nina Simone, Enough said)
Carly Simon (This year's 70's Singer-Songwriter pick)

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick (The next Female Pop/R&B star to go in IMO), Rage Against The Machine (The next 90's Alternative Rock band to get in IMO)

I think that you guys are way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, and totally needs to be in the Rock Hall in some capacity, but I just don't see it this year, He doesn't have any critical acclaim and He might be a little too AC for even this Voting Committee, plus he will split votes with Dionne Warwick as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists and Dionne is more likely to get in this year than Lionel, which is why I have Dionne as a spoiler and I also think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I just think that it might be a tad too AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), If Dionne couldn't get in last year because she might have been deemed a little too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee, then I highly doubt that Lionel will this year despite his legendary status. I think that he's likely to be more like Sting and Steve Winwood when they were nominated more than Stevie Nicks.

I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

The other acts that are nominated this year (New York Dolls, Devo, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, MC5 and Fela Kuti) have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 15:53pm


Current thoughts. Richie is right probably a big class. 7 inductees plus they'll use both ame and early influence for a nominee this year

Performer
- eminem
- dolly
- dionne
- pat
- duran duran
- priest
- beck or carly (if 7th spot)

AME
- kate bush
- lee perry

Early influence
- mc5
- dj cool herc

Non-Perfomer
- hype williams, music video director
Or
- ryan schreiber, founder of pitchfork

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 16:59pm


Mat R,

I think that it'll be an all-white class this year, that's why I'm predicting Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon to get in this year, If we get a Black inductee this year, it will be Dionne Warwick, but I feel that she may have to wait one more year and she'll get in on her 3rd try next year just like Janet Jackson did in 2019.

I think that Priest misses out again this year despite having no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing, According to Nominating Committee member Alan Light a few years ago in 2018, He said that Judas Priest did horrendously in the Voting Committee tally the first year that they were nominated (in 2018), so that will hurt them despite having no real competition this time around unlike 2018 and 2020.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 17:15pm


Plebeian

Rubin is definitely a strong contender but I'm unsure he'd get the prize if the class is so heavily white as many are predicting atm. Jam and lewis or sean combs might be more likely if they do a producer.

Personally I'm thinking they'll do either press or bring video directors into the fold to spice things up

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 17:26pm


Richie

Agree sadly there's a strong chance it happens but i think Dionne has a good shot and i think priest will benefit by being the "digestible diversity act" for more conservative voters (compated to fela, lionel, tribe, and rage) on top of having no clear competition.

If neither gets in in the vote Dionne will get AME and i think ronnie james dio will be inducted as early influence or ame as an olive branch to metal fans and musicians.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 17:44pm


Mat R,

I agree with you that Dionne has a good shot this year, that's why I have her as a spoiler along with Rage Against The Machine and Judas Priest has no real competition this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020), but Iron Maiden had no real competition last year and they still didn't get in, so I hesitate to say that Priest will get in this year, but won't be surprised if they do because it would sure open the floodgates for more Hard Rock/Heavy Metal bands to get in like Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy and Motley Crue.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 18:05pm


Mat R,

Spike Jonze would be a fun choice. Worked with Beck, Beastie Boys, Jay-Z, Weezer, etc. The co-creator of Jackass and acclaimed director for Being John Malkovich and Her. Though I suppose it will be hard to categorize a music video director.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 18:19pm


Judas Priest seems to be climbing past well as they are 13,000 votes away from Eurythmics. Being always in fifth place on the top 5 should grab the Hall's attention.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 18:26pm


Plebeian

Oh yea spike is one of the 12 guys i see with extremely strong cases for going into the hall for video direction (him, david fincher, michel gondry, godley and creme, hype williams, michael bay, mark romanek, joseph khan, dayton and faris, floria sigismondi). He's prob the #3 pick on that power list after Williams and romanek, who mostly dedicated their careers to videos and really advanced it. Williams is the one i think is the lock because more than anyone else i think he shaped a genre's image (hip hop).

I feel strongly that the hall would be wise to create a 5th lane for people like video directors, photographers, and graphic designers because that backlog of legends in those fields is massive and the ertegun prize will never get to them. Make the ahmet ertegun for execs and producers and like pennie smith (to pick a random name) prize for those in art design.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 18:55pm


I don't think I've shared my predictions for the special categories, so here goes:
Early Influence:
Big Mama Thorton
MC5
Afrika Bambaataa

Musical Excellence:
Ronnie James Dio
Chaka Khan
The Monkees: considering they weren't on the ballot this year the Hall must have something planned for them with only one member left. This is also an excuse for me to say that Smash Mouth and Eddie Murphy should do I'm a Believer for the tribute performace. This is a Shrek reference and I know its not going to happen but idc

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 20:02pm


Plebeian,

In the event that one of the bands/acts on the ballot gets an induction this year, who would be the biggest beneficiary of that act next year?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 21:30pm


Raichu,

Fully agreed on Big Mama Thornton, MC5, Ronnie James Dio, and Chaka Khan, I am predicting them as well.

Afrika Bambaataa, while he had a massive influence on hip-hop and deserves induction on those merits, I think the Hall will be very hesitant to give a platform to someone who has many credible allegations of child molestation against him. (And yes, I know that he would be far from the first creep to be inducted, but the difference is that this type of behavior is taken a lot more seriously now than in the 80s and 90s when a lot of those guys were being inducted.) I think a more likely Early Influence candidate from the early days of hip hop might be DJ Kool Herc, who is pretty much credited with the invention of the genre.

Another artist that I am predicting for the Early Influence line is Link Wray. He's one of the biggest snubs still remaining of the pre-British Invasion Rock & Roll era, was very influential on the development of the genre, popularized the power chord, would be an opportunity for wider representation as the first (to my knowledge) major Native American inductee, and has appeared on the ballot twice in the past decade.

For Musical Excellence, I will also put forward Carol Kaye, one of the most prolific session musicians of all time.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 21:48pm


My predictions for the side categories this year are:

Early Influence:

MC5
Big Mama Thornton
Link Wray

Spoilers: Patsy Cline, Fela Kuti, New York Dolls

Musical Excellence:

Ronnie James Dio
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

Spoilers: Kate Bush, Devo, Dr. Dre

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 21:59pm


Richie,

Eurythmics:
Devo, Can, Bjork

Judas Priest:
Iron Maiden, Motörhead, Steppenwolf

Beck:
Sonic Youth, Devo, Gram Parsons

Devo:
Captain Beefheart, Brian Eno, Weird Al

Eminem:
Outkast, Dr. Dre, Wu-Tang Clan

Pat Benatar:
Foreigner, Alanis Morissette, Sheryl Crow

Duran Duran:
Chic (LOL), Blur, No Doubt

New York Dolls:
MC5, The B-52's, The Replacements

MC5:
Link Wray, John Coltrane,
New York Dolls

A Tribe Called Quest:
Afrika Bambaataa, Eric B. And Rakim, Nas

Kate Bush:
King Crimson, Bjork, Tori Amos

Fela Kuti:
John Coltrane and Brian Eno

Lionel Richie:
Sade, James Ingram, Teddy Pendergrass

Carly Simon:
Diana Ross and Tori Amos

Dolly Parton:
Patsy Cline, The Carter Family, Emmylou Harris

Dionne Warwick:
Ella Fitzgerald, The Spinners, Mariah Carey

Rage Against The Machine:
Jane's Addiction, Bad Brains, Eric B. And Rakim

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 23:07pm


Richie, RG, Raichu

I feel like Ronnie James Dio, or any metal figure, is very dependent on Priest or Rage not getting in. The Hall as many have noted is iffy on inducting metal and given how they seem to want to use side categories I'm doubtful they'd use one to get a second metal act in when they could use it for like Kate Bush or Fela Kuti.

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 23:59pm


Richie (also using Plebeian's format)

Eurythmics:
New Order, Björk, Daft Punk

Judas Priest:
Iron Maiden, Motörhead, Mötley Crüe

Beck:
Björk, Liz Phair, The Magnetic Fields

Devo:
Weird Al, The Buggles, Björk

Eminem:
Outkast, Missy Elliot (eligible 2023), Insane Clown Posse

Pat Benatar:
Liz Phair, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette

Duran Duran:
Wham, George Michael, The Smiths

New York Dolls:
The Smiths, The B-52's, The Replacements

MC5:
Steppanwolf, Guess Who, Link Wray

A Tribe Called Quest:
Outkast, Fugees, De La Soul

Kate Bush:
Björk, Tori Amos, Fiona Apple

Fela Kuti:
Buena Vista Social Club, WITCH, John Coltrane

Lionel Richie:
Sade, Michael Bolton, Babyface

Carly Simon:
Liz Phair, Tracy Chapman, The Carpenters

Dolly Parton:
Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, Shania Twain

Dionne Warwick:
Mariah Carey, Diana Ross, Burt Bacharach and Hal David (as non-performers)

Rage Against The Machine:
Jane's Addiction, Queens of the Stone Age (eligible 2023), Faith No More


Björk is the big gainer from a lot of these nominations. She's arguably more worthy than most of the artist she's gaining from, she's one of a kind, incredibly influential, got 2 platinum records and a gold record, boat loads of awards and nominations, and is seen by many as one of if not the greatest video artist in history, but her big hold up is being too much of an outsider and anomaly. Beck, Bush, Devo, and Eurythmics all kind of make her seem more at home in the hall.

Liz Phair was probably off lot of people's radar until very recently with her memoir, acts like Soccer Mommy, Phoebe Bridgers, and Snail Mail calling her the GOAT, Exile in Guyville ranking #56 on the RS500, and Pitchfork admitting they were wrong to give her self titled a 0.0/10. Carly Simon and Pat Benatar clear up a lot of lanes that could benefit Liz now that people are over dismissing her for going pop and celebrate her as one of the most important rock acts of the 90s.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 01:09am


There's no way that both Eurythmics & Duran Duran would be inducted this year, only one of them might have a shot to be inducted & that's DD mostly because they have more sales & were considered as figures of MTV generation not to mention there's a lot of hype for them since members John Taylor & Simon Le Bon inducted Roxy Music three years ago & the release of their 15th album Future Past. Eurythmics are great in their own but they haven't been releasing any new music since 1999 & have been reuniting on & off sporadically since 2005, with that said they might receive 1 more nomination for induction.

Judas Priest's chances for induction are at 80% because not only that Metal needs more representation at the Rockhall but it's their 3rd nomination & it's pretty sure that 3 nominations would be a charm for them since it worked for most artists in the past also it's creating a logjam for other bands like Iron Maiden & Motorhead.

If the Hall wants to evolve more with inductions then Dolly Parton would certainly be a choice for it since there are rarely country acts inducted as main performers with Johnny Cash being the only one while the others were inducted under Early Influence or AME.

I think Carly Simon is not an bad nominee but i don't see a point in her possible induction mostly because she against Dolly Parton & Pat Benatar. She's worthy of induction but it's a long shot. i get that with Carole King's honor opened the door for her but it's not an guarantee.

I would love to talk more but i'm getting ready for work so talk to y'all later.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 06:00am


Jordan Einstein,

I think that you're wrong about Duran Duran and Eurythmics both being inducted in the same year, I think that if there was ever a year that we see two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts get in in the same year, It's this year with Duran Duran and Eurythmics. I see both of them getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 09:16am


Jordan Einstein,

I have to disagree with you on Judas Priest, I think that the Metal bias will continue and they still won't get in, even though they really should because the voters hate Metal more than anything, that's why they did horribly in the Voting Committee tally the previous two times that they were nominated.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 09:26am


Richie/jordan

Depeche mode and nine inch nails (both synth innovators) went in same year so I'm inclined to agree there's a good chance of Duran Duran and Eurythmics (or Devo in place of one of them) going in together. I don't think it'll happening but i wouldn't dismiss it.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 09:39am


Mat R,

I forgot that Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails went in together in the same year in 2020, so did Electric Light Orchestra and Yes (both Prog acts) in 2017, so yeah, I think that Duran Duran and Eurythmics will get in together this year at the same time and their inductions will open the door for The B-52's to get in next year as they would be the most commercially successful and popular 80's New Wave/Alternative act along with INXS not in yet, The B-52's would be one of two household names from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era not in, the other being INXS, so I think that Duran Duran and Eurythmics both getting in this year would open the door for The B-52's and INXS to get in as well it should.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 09:54am


Plebeian, Greg F and Mat R,

I think the acts who would benefit from any of the acts that are nominated this year should they get in this year next year would be:

Beck: Bjork, Sonic Youth, Gram Parsons, Sparks
Pat Benatar: Foreigner, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Sheryl Crow, The Bangles
Devo: The B-52's, Bjork, Captain Beefheart, Brian Eno, "Weird Al" Yankovic
Duran Duran: INXS, George Michael, The Smiths, Chic (LOL), Blur, No Doubt
Dolly Parton: Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline, The Carter Family
Eminem: OutKast, Missy Elliott, Dr. Dre, Wu-Tang Clan
Eurythmics: New Order, Bjork, Daft Punk, Can, Pet Shop Boys
Lionel Richie: The Commodores (LOL), Sting, Phil Collins, Sade
Dionne Warwick: The Spinners, Mariah Carey, Diana Ross, The Carpenters
Judas Priest: Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Motley Crue, Steppenwolf
Fela Kuti: John Coltrane and Brian Eno
MC5: Steppenwolf, The Guess Who, Link Wray, John Coltrane
New York Dolls: The Smiths, The B-52's, The Replacements, Big Star
Kate Bush: King Crimson, Bjork, Tori Amos, Fiona Apple
A Tribe Called Quest: OutKast, Afrika Bambaataa, Eric B. & Rakim, De La Soul, Nas, The Fugees
Carly Simon: Warren Zevon, Diana Ross, Tori Amos, Tracy Chapman, The Carpenters
Rage Against The Machine: Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Jane's Addiction, Bad Brains, Eric B. & Rakim

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 11:31am


Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop) his association with Dr. Dre places him firmly at the bottom of this list. (Hell No!)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (No, Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk) No offense to David Johansen, but I prefer his alter ego (Buster Poindexter).
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (No)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent) -(Yes)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter) (maybe)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (Yes)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog) (Not yet, unfortunately)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 12:23pm


Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent)(Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog)(Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also
Induct Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 12:58pm


I wish we didn't have to wait until May. We've already waited long enough.

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 23:41pm


With most at the most expecting a very white and, if Priest doesn't get it, very straight class. With that it seems likely they'll use the side categories to honour minority artists. I decided (for fun) to make a short list of more left of centre picks for EARLY INFLUENCE than Big Mama Thornton, DJ Cool Herc, Fela Kuti, Lee "Scratch" Perry, and John Coltrane that could maybe pop up

Outsider Early Influence Contenders

- Ravi Shankar (1920-2012): classical Indian music whose impact on 60s rock n roll and world music. Probably the easiest pick for this. Without him no post-65 Beatles, no George Harrison, no John Coltrane, no raja rock, probably a later rise of world music, literally no Norah Jones

- Screamin' Jay Hawkins (1929-2000): blues singer and proto shock rocker best known for the song "I Put a Spell on You" (1956). His inovative stage shows lead him to become a popular touring act, opening for everyone from Fats Domino to The Clash, and lead to an acclaimed acting career. Without him no Alice Cooper, Tom Waits, Rob Zombie. His big plus is he's from Cleveland

- Wendy Carlos (1939-): electronic music innovator and popularizer of Moog synthesizers best known for the classical album "Switched-On Bach" (1968) and the scores to A Clockwork Orange (1971) and The Shining (1980). Her 1979 interview with Playboy where she came out as trans is often seen as a milestone for the trans community. Without her no Giorgio Moroder, Kraftwerk, Arca

- The Last Poets: poetry collective that along with Gil Scott-Heron are seen as key to the proto-rap scene of the late 60s early 70s. They have continued to be active to this day. Without them no NWA, Public Enemy, De La Soul

- Buffy Sainte-Marie (1941-): folk and indigenous music artist prehaps best known for the song "Universal Soldier" (1964) and the Polaris Music Prize winning Power in the Blood (2015). Extensive songwriting career and was the first First Nations person to win an Oscar. Without her no Tanya Tagaq, Kate Bush, and various hits for Joe Cocker, Cher, Shirley Bassey

- Bad Brains: punk and reggae band best known for their self titled 1982 debut album and the single "Pay to Cum" (1980). largely seen as the inventing hardcore punk and being key the the alternative metal movement. Without them no Minor Threat, no Black Flag, no emo

- Dick Dale (1937-2019): surf rock and proto-punk artist best known for his work with his band The Deltones and their singles "Let's Go Trippin" (1960) and "Misirlou" (1962). His combo of rock and Arabic music (he was half Lebanese) and experiments with reverb proved greatly influential to not only surf rock but guitar as well. Without him no Beach Boys, Jan and Dean, and Pearl Jam

Genesis P-Orridge (1950-2020): best known for h/er work with industrial group Throbbing Gristle (who would likely be the inductee), the album 20 Jazz Funk Greats (1979), the band Psychic TV, and their postgender project known as "The Pandrogeny Project". Possibly the most influential figure on industrial music aside from Trent Reznor. With h/er no Nine Inch Nails, Death Grips, Ministry

Thoughts? Anyone their make sense

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 23:59pm


I'm surprised the only Hall Watcher with a blog to put out a reaction to the nominees is Philip. No Nick, Mark/Alex, Donnie, Michelle, Charles, etc.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 00:35am


Follower,
Not sure if you were aware but we did a nominees reaction episode on my podcast that debuted the day after the announcement (with Mark/Alex as the guest).

Here's the link -
https://rockinretrospect.buzzsprout.com/

Posted by Nick B. on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 00:50am


Nick B.,

Who do you see being the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 01:07am


Richie,
You have DMed me (and several others) about this several times over the last two weeks. Although we don't say a definitive six or seven by the end of the episode, Mark and I discussed each artist and their chances for induction.

Posted by Nick B. on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 01:11am


Excellent response to Special categories. Captain Beefheart & the Magic Band is Not one I thought of. That's a great pick for Early Influence.
Ella Fitzgerald was one of my picks for Early I a month ago. I switched that out for Gram Parsons. I wanted to pick somebody from my Dad's time. But I feel strongly about Gram Parsons.
Musical Excellence: for
J. Geils Band makes a lot of sense. and so does Chaka Khan. These have a nominated a lot of times. Hubert Sumlin is blues guitarist I didn't think of. You guys all have great picks. I;m googling Hubert Sumlin. I know he is blues but I'd like details and Also I will google Carol Kaye. I don't know her much at all.
My Special categories are subject to change. That's it for Now.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 03:40am


Post Super Bowl Notes

Eminem, Dr. Dre, Snoop, Mary J, and Kendrick's performance is making loads of headlines and earning high praise

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/feb/13/dr-dre-snoop-dogg-eminem-kendrick-lamar-and-mary-j-bliges-half-time-show-an-all-timer

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/56th-superbowl-halftime-show-1.6350476

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/amberjamieson/2022-super-bowl-halftime-show-snoop-dre-eminem-mary

with Em himself being singled out by loads for taking a knee

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nfl/article/eminem-takes-knee-super-bowl-halftime-show-apparent-tribute-kaepernick/

I feel like this should pretty much lock everything down for his nomination


Also worth noting Dolly had a Super Bowl ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1SrxZ07Ak

And a Judas Priest song was covered in a Super Bowl ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwt4rzmVxY&t=11s


Side notes for other nominees

Duran Duran have issued a delux edition of their last album https://music.mxdwn.com/2022/02/13/news/duran-duran-release-deluxe-version-of-future-past-featuring-three-new-tracks-velvet-newton-invocation-and-laughing-boy/

Lionel Richie is on the cover of People https://people.com/music/lionel-richie-becoming-legend-despite-critics-who-questioned-his-blackness/

There's going to be a Dionne Warwick doc on CNN+ very soon https://americansongwriter.com/dionne-warwick-documentary-streaming-on-cnn-this-spring/

Devo are doing a mini-tour in May https://www.brooklynvegan.com/tour-news-thrice-devo-bib-don-broco-snow-tha-product-more/

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 09:20am


That was a pretty cool show. I'd love to see Snoop get a nom one day...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 15:02pm


K-Dawg,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year and I think that it'll be an all-white class this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick (If we get a Black inductee this year, it'll be her and not Lionel Richie), Rage Against The Machine

I think you're way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, and totally needs to be in the Rock Hall no doubt in some capacity, but I just don't see it this year, He doesn't have any critical acclaim and He might be a little too AC for even this Voting Committee, plus he will split votes with Dionne Warwick as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists, and I also think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I just think that it might be a tad too AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), If Dionne Warwick (who's also nominated this year), couldn't get in last year because she might have been deemed a little too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee, then I highly doubt that Lionel will this year despite his legendary status. I thnk that he's likely to be more like Sting and Steve Winwood when they got nominated more than Stevie Nicks.

I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing. I think that Priest misses out again this year despite having no clear competition this time around.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 15:22pm


K-Dawg

Agreed Snoop should go in. I'm wonder if they're hesitant to put him (or DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, who also are quite important) forward right now cause he's kind of this camp icon (in the case of DJJJatFP Will Smith being an actor) first and a revolutionary rapper second, sort of like how LL Cool J might have been seen as an actor first and a revolutionary rapper second.

I have a feeling Snoop will be on a ballot once of twice in the next 3-5 years and get Musical Excellence by 2030 in a kind of sped up version of LL. DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince maybe Early Influence (they broke a lot of ground and kind of birthed horrorcore) but I can't see them inducting Will if they haven't inducted Cher.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 01:04am


Jordan,
You have a very fine list of Special categories. Today perhaps I will check out Hubert Sumlin. I have vaguely know the name. Yet I love the Blues. I love Buddy Guy/ Buddy is great. I love John Lee Hooker as well. There is others like Albert King I say are terrific. But I don't think I've heard Hubert Sumlin. I just know the name. At this point any Earlier Blues musicians left for recognition would have to be inducted as Early Influence. I will check out Hubert Sumlin.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 04:24am


With Eminem's performance at the Superbowl, it's safe to say that by November this year that he would not only become an inductee but will also headline the ceremony. Heck let's have Elton John induct him & the performance would be like the one at the big game.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 06:42am


K-Dawg, thought that was about the best SB Halftime show I've ever seen & I've seen alot of them.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 06:43am


Richie,

If Judas Priest doesn't get the charm then it's likely that they'll eventually be inducted under one of the special categories: Early Influence instead of performer even though it might be a wrong direction for them to get it since they're also popular too. Let's remember that both Iron Maiden & Motorhead were only nominated once so it might finally work for JP. What i also like to point out that last year there are no british acts inducted so we might see 2 this year with Priest & Duran Duran or as you said DD or Eurythmics.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 07:21am


Jordan Einstein

I'm curious if that half-time show causes them to use a side category to induct a second rapper to hype up the ceremony. Like probably not Tribe cause it's their first time on the ballot but maybe a Boogie Down Productions/KRS-One as Early Influence or Eric B. & Rakim as Musical Excellence or Sean Combs for the Ahmet Ertegun Award.

Given his love of old school and deep respect for both Rakim and KRS-One Eminem would probably love to have one of them join him for a song at the show, creating this hype moment, while Sean Combs would be a big deal in hip hop circles cause it would essentially be seen as squashing a 20 year beef between two mega giants.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 08:29am


Here's my updated prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think you guys are way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, and totally needs to be in the Rock Hall no doubt in some capacity, but I just don't see it this year, He doesn't have any critical acclaim and He might be a little too AC for even this Voting Committee, plus he will split votes with Dionne Warwick as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists and I think that Dionne is more likely to get in this year than Lionel, and I also think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I just think that it might be a tad AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), If Dionne Warwick (who's also nominated this year) couldn't get in last year because she might have been deemed a little too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee, then I highly doubt that Lionel will this year despite his legendary status. I think that he's likely to be more like Sting and Steve Winwood when they got nominated more than Stevie Nicks.

I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing. I think that Priest misses out again this year despite having no clear competition this time around.

The other acts that are nominated this year (New York Dolls, Devo, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, MC5 and Fela Kuti) have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 11:38am


Richie,

Lionel Richie will go in for one simple reason, I feel. He satisfies the RRHOF's void of him not being in it, and it gives them an excuse to ignore the Commodores, the way they have the Spinners, Meters, Ohio Players and Kool and the Gang for the past 20 years because they are so anxious to close the book on the 70s and get to the 80s, 90s and very soon 2000s acts that are the most popular to give them the increased younger traffic their exhibit needs to keep moving on. I am not a boomer, and while I hate generational labels as I consider myself an open thinker to all eras, the traditional boomer crowd are aging out, and dying out, of the target demographics. Much as the 50s haven't seen any new inductees in years and the 60s are all but forgotten (including the infinitely deserving Monkees), the 70s now become the next decade they want to close the door on. While there are some 70s proper acts on this ballot, and a couple 60s, some are also-rans looking for a side door, but apart from those couple, from Dolly to Dionne to Judas Priest, these acts were well-known in the 80s and beyond. The 70s rock acts, as we discussed in detail, have largely been picked dry, and while there are major snubs even non-purist rock fans (Foreigner, Bad Company and Boston to name a few) feel belong, the rock bands are now into the 80s and 90s. In a phrase, the Hall is trying to modernize for the younger fans while trying to put a Bandaid over what's left of the 70s. It''s not universally true, but look at the list.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 15:46pm


Duran Duran has overtaken Eminem!

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 15:54pm


K-Dawg,

but you're wrong about Lionel Richie, I really just don't see it this year, I think that he would have a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated, I also think that there may be a bit of a backlash against Lionel being inducted. Don't really understand why The Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with The Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some may have been huge hits, were average in quality at best. And it's possible that if he can't get in solo, next year the Nominating Committee puts up The Commodores instead, because I feel that they would have a better shot of getting in than Lionel on his own.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 16:14pm


Richie and K-Dawg

I was thinking Lionel Richie would miss this year but honestly he's clearly campaigning hard (a People magazine cover almost right out of the gate) and this is coming right after he won the Gershwin Prize from Library of Congress. I'm thinking he's going to continue to be very public between now and the announcement date in May and with the Library of Congress putting on a high profile tribute concert to him on the 17th of May and Universal Publishing behind him I'm thinking there's going to be no way anyone can ignore him. I've kind of pumped him up big time since seeing that People cover.

1. Eminem
2. Dolly
4. Duran Duran (/1)
3. Dionne Warwick (/1)
5. Lionel Richie (/
ew)
6. Pat Benatar
if 7. Judas Priest (/1)
contenders: Beck (out of top 7), Eurythmics, Carly Simon

Early Influence: MC5
Musical Excellence: Kate Bush or Devo

Posted by mat R on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 21:41pm


Mat R,

I really hope that you're wrong about Lionel Richie, I just don't think he deserves induction on his own and especially not this year with more deserving names on the ballot like Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Dolly Parton, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick, I think that if he gets in, it should and will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 21:56pm


Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also
Induct Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 22:16pm


Mat R,

Here's my updated prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think you're way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, and totally needs to be in the Rock Hall no doubt in some capacity, but I just don't see it this year, He doesn't have any critical acclaim and He might be a little too AC for even this Voting Committee, plus he will split votes with Dionne Warwick as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists and I think that Dionne is more likely to get in this year than Lionel, and I also think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy on his own, I feel that he should have been nominated with The Commodores instead of his solo career. I feel that there are other Male Pop Stars of that era that are more deserving of an induction than Lionel solo and should have been nominated like Phil Collins and George Michael. So for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I just think that it might be a tad too AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), If Dionne Warwick (who's also nominated this year), couldn't get in last year because she might have been deemed a little too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee, then I highly doubt that Lionel will this year despite his legendary status in the music industry. I think that he's likely to be more like Sting and Steve Winwood when they got nominated more than Stevie Nicks. I really just don't see it this year, I think that he would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, got nominated, I also think that there may be a bit of a backlash against him being inducted. Don't really understand why The Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with The Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some may have been huge hits, were average in quality at best. And it's possible that if he can't get in solo, next year the Nominating Committee puts up The Commodores instead, because I feel that they would have a better shot of getting in than Lionel on his own. I just don't think that he deserves induction on his own and especially not this year with more deserving names on the ballot like Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Dolly Parton, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick, I think that when he gets in, it should and will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own.

I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing. I think that Priest misses out again this year despite having no clear competition this time around.

The other acts that are nominated this year (New York Dolls, Devo, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, MC5 and Fela Kuti) have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 23:10pm


Richie

I hope I'm wrong but while others (not counting Eminem) were reissuing random albums (Duran Duran), planning tour and festival dates (Devo, Rage, Beck), doing interviews with genre press (Dolly, Halford), and being quiet (Pat), Lionel Richie did a pictorial and interview with the biggest magazine in America.

It's actually a really good piece despite being fluffy and it very much feels like People magazine making his case for the Hall and highlights his nomination. I think if this sort of stuff keeps coming out about him in the mainstream, and it likely will with the Library of Congress giving him the Gershwin Prize and him having a special tribute being planned for PBS in May, I can very much see him getting in. He's got plenty of time to do interviews with Kelly Ripa and Ryan Seacrest or The Breakfast Club or The New Yorker (cause the dude literally has access to any avenue he wants) or pop up at Katy Perry's Vegas residency. Speaking of Perry and Seacrest, Lionel and them are on American Idol and the new season of that starts very soon so he's going to be in the public eye.

I think this is one area where no one outside of Eminem or Dolly can out do him and I think he's gonna go all in with a "for your consideration" campaign of sorts that no one else will do. Voters might reject it but I think this sort of thing is quite successful. Especially when Universal Publishing, Disney (American Idol is on ABC), Simon Fuller, and Lucian Grainge are backing you. He might fail but he seemingly has every thing politically possible in his favour.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 01:06am


Mat R,

but IMO, I just don't see it this year for Lionel, I think that there are other acts that are more deserving on the ballot this year like Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Dolly Parton, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick, so I just can't see Lionel ever being inducted on his own, I think that if and when he gets in, it should and will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own. End of story.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 01:27am


K-Dawg,
I agree with you about Lionel Richie. He satisfies the RRHOF's void of him not being in it, and yeah, it gives them an excuse to ignore the Commodores, the way they have the Spinners, Meters, Ohio Players and Kool and the Gang for the past 20 years but I don't know if it's to close the book on the 70s. But Perhaps to dilute the 70s. to get to more 80s, 90s and soon 2000s., The traditional boomer crowd are aging out, and fading out of the target demographics. I guess that includes me. I was born in fact Jan 1965. Am I a boomer? You hate generational labels. But the truth is I have no clue about my God Daughter's New Modern Techno Dance music. Much as the 50s haven't seen any new inductees in years and the 60s are Not doing much better. The 70s Will become the next decade they want to close the door on. But No, Not just yet. Also you probably mean the Performer category. We saw last year that Charlie Patton still came through in Early Influence. And he started in the 1920s which is Very good and as it should be. Getting Back to Lionel Richie. The committee must feel he has a better chance solo than the Commodores. That's too bad. I was rooting for the Commodores to be nominated soon. Let's discuss more. Lionel Richie is certainly a big name with a Very good chance. Go ahead

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 03:52am


Ben, you are certainly right that I am mentioning the main performers category. I know the other award entries are where they are going to clean up. I don't like it, but I have to put up with it. I don't mean any disrespect towards you or anyone else based on your age or preferences; it is me trying to perceive and get a hold on how the voters and Hall is trying to "modernize", because like it or not for EVERYONE, soon we will be hearing about Timberlake, Spears, Aguilera, RIhanna, Beyonce (she's closer than the rest), and a plethora of pop stars that will make the rock gatekeepers cry in agony.

Richie, I get that you are convinced Lionel Richie isn't getting in as you've mentioned it several times in your posts. I fully agree he should go in with the Commodores first, but we clearly aren't going to get that option. He IS the star power in that group, and he is another name from the 80s who was at the forefront with Madonna, Prince, Whitney Houston, the Jackson siblings, and so many other breakthrough stars whose songs we love to this day. He's got the influence, he's got the respect, he's got the connections. I feel Lionel Richie is getting in this year; he checks virtually all the boxes based on how the Hall has voted in recent years.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 06:12am


Richie

There's more deserving artists for sure but I don't know if their reputations can counter that level of sheer campaign power. He has so many tools working for him that it would take like him punching a child in the face on national television to disrupt it. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 08:20am


Mat R,

Steve Winwood had name recognition and connections and didn't get in when he was nominated solo, neither did Sting, Stevie Nicks did, but IMO, that was a way for the Hall to push her to become the first female member of the Clyde McPhatter Club, so I think that Lionel misses out this year just like Steve Winwood did in 2003 and Sting did in 2015 and next year, he'll get nominated and then inducted with The Commodores as well as he should be, just like when Steve Winwood got nominated and then inducted with Traffic the following year in 2004, a year after his solo nomination.

Ben,

For the last time, I just don't see it for Lionel this year, I think that there are too many other deserving names on the ballot that should get in and that are more deserving like Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Dolly Parton, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick (A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Devo, MC5 and New York Dolls are also deserving of induction, but they stand little to no chance of getting in this year), so I just don't see him getting inducted this year (let alone ever) on his own, I think that if and when he gets in, it should and will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own.

K-Dawg,

Lionel Richie is not in the same ballpark as Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, Whitney Houston and Janet Jackson as far as big Pop stars from the 80's, IMO, I think that his spot on the ballot this year should have gone to either Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan, Mariah Carey or even Celine Dion as they're more deserving of an induction as far as Pop Stars go than Lionel solo, so for that reason, I just don't see him ever being inducted on his own, I think that he'll get in eventually with The Commodores (his old band), as well as he should, but not on his own.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 09:25am


K-Dawg

I don't think a lot of those people will get to Hall gatekeepers in bad moods mainly cause when the ballot is Pink and Avril vs Papa Roach vs Chamillionaire vs Simple Plan I think there's gonna be an epiphany that mainstream music in the 2000s isn't overly deep and in order to maintain the aesthetics of being elite you have to accept very pop acts.

Lionel is a good bridge for that but even then I think the 2000s are gonna be a wasteland for the Hall.

When they really get to the 2000s (they're starting now with Eminem) it's gonna be weird cause you have maybe 20 or 30 acts that make sense critically and commercially for the hall, largely because of how few acts stuck around for more than 2 albums in the mainstream, and that's a steep drop from the 90s. They're gonna have to rely heavily on international and indie acts cause while you can justify nominating MC5 you can't really justify a Pussycat Dolls or Soulja Boy or Hoobastank being nominated even to a younger voter. You might actually see a Sigur Ros or Kardinal Offishall or Dizzee Rascal or Microphones pop up on a ballot in 2035 because they actually did stuff that had an impact either on genre or in their home nation unlike 60+% of US based pop and rap acts in the 2000s and that's so bizarre for the Hall.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 09:30am


Richie

I don't think Sting cares as much cause he's already in. Also did Sting or Winwood do a people a People cover and have his nomination coincide with the Gershwin Prize and a major TV show premiering? No, Lionel does. These are factors that were not at play.

Stevie, who was riding the first wave of the "Dreams" memes and being a high profile feature on a #1 Lana Del Rey album at the time of her second induction, definitely supports the idea that Lionel being out in the open and super public very well might get in.

I would also note, while the Commodores made better music, Lionel wrote a lot of hits for a lot of people and I think he has the record for most #1 hits written by a single person. Him solo has a very strong case for being.

Side note

Re 2000s I meant 2000 to 2005 or so

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 09:52am


Mat R,

Came up with a list of 2000s acts that maybe very deserving for the Hall

Queens of the Stone Age
The White Stripes
Coldplay
Kanye West
Beyoncé
OutKast (More aligned with the 2000s imo)
Amy Winehouse
Wilco
Animal Collective
The Strokes
Daft Punk
Missy Elliott
Muse
Gorillaz
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Arctic Monkeys
Justin Timberlake
The Flaming Lips
Kings of Leon
Franz Ferdinand
Britney Spears
The Killers
System of a Down


That's only at the top of my head at the moment

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 10:16am


Mat R,

Yes, I saw that Lionel was getting a Gershwin Prize this year, but that was announced on January 13, a few weeks before the 2022 Rock Hall nominees were announced on February 2, and I forgot to mention, Sting got a Kennedy Center Honor in 2014 (the year that he got nominated for the 2015 class) and still didn't get in that year, neither did LL Cool J when he got a Kennedy Center Honor in 2017 (when he received his fourth nomination for the 2018 class), so yeah, I highly doubt that Lionel will get in this year despite his legendary status. If and when he gets in, it should and will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 10:23am


Plebeian

Yea there are deserving rock acts but note: a lot of them are international (Franz Ferdinand), indie acts (Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Animal Collective) or acts that fall outside of the 2000-05 range I mentioned in a follow up (Amy Winehouse, Arctic Monkeys) or are 90s hangovers (The Flaming Lips, Wilco). Also many are among the 20 or 30 I was thinking. That 2000-05 era is gonna be a bit of a dead zone when it comes to possible inductees

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 10:26am


Richie

The thing about kennedy center honors vs Gershwin prize is one is a shared award while the other is focused on one person. They are similar but that is a sizable difference. Also the tribute richie will get as a result of the Gershwin prize will likely happened within 2 weeks of the inductee announcement. It is a great deal fresher.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 10:48am


Mat R,

The tribute to Lionel honoring him as this year's Library of Congress Gershwin Prize for Popular Song recipient will take place in Washington, DC on Wednesday, March 9 and will air on PBS on Tuesday, May 17.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 11:10am


Richie

Yea the may 17th date is the one I'm referring to. The inductees were announced in mid may last year.

February - people magazine and american idol press

March - press in the washington press (such as the Washington post) about the Gershwin prize show

May - press for the pbs special

He's not exiting the cycle. I'm not saying he's a lock but he has so so much in his favour profile wise atm

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 11:23am


Mat R,

I know, but I feel that his spot on the ballot this year should have gone to either Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey as they're far more deserving of an induction as far as Pop Stars from the 80's and 90's go than Lionel solo, As I've said it before, I think that if and when he gets in, it should and will be with his old band The Commodores, rather than on his own.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 11:41am


I must say I feel like a Senior Citizen Right Now with 2000s acts being mentioned. I'm Only 57 but saying Jefferson Airplane these days is like when my Dad used to talk about Benny Goodman. Which Means on here Benny Goodman don't even really exist. Since I don't even know Benny Goodman.
As a point of reference when I was 16 my Dad was still going Very strong talking about that Benny Goodman from his good old days as a child 1941-1944 maybe. All I wanted to know is about the NEXT Eric Clapton interview or trying to see the Moody Blues in concert. Well that was 40 years ago! The same length of time that Benny Goodman was. Soo if anyone young knows Moody Blues they must seem VERY ancient.
However having said that I did stay somewhat hip through The end of the 90s. The last major bands I know quite a bit about are Radiohead and Rage against the Machine. And I did love Jam bands at the end of the 90s too. I love Govt Mule. And a bunch of Phish. This is getting long. I haven't got long like this in awhile. As me and others get much older I guess 1960s and 70s acts will be in Early Influence. Right Now some 70s can be Eariy Influence and some can be Performers. Hey Todd Rundgren was inducted in 2021 as Performer and so was Carole King. Just throwing in some Old School two cents in. Ok Everyone go ahead

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 13:52pm


You feel old? All of the stars from my childhood are now eligible (except Britney Spears, who becomes eligible next year). I'm only 36.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 13:59pm


Britney Spears isn't eligible until 2025. Her first album came out in 1999.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 14:28pm


What are your predictions for 2022 inductees in the side categories (Ahmet Ertegun Award, Early Influence and Musical Excellence)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 14:58pm


Eminem, Robyn, Daft Punk, Nickelback, Blink-182, Slipknot, Fiona Apple, David Guetta, The Chicks, and N'Sync are like the first wave of really 2000s artist eligible.

Next year Destiny's Child (Beyoncé), Hot Boys (Lil Wayne), Bright Eyes, Queens of the Stone Age join in next year and Christina Aguilera the year after. 2000s coming up very fast.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 15:13pm


Richie

Early influnce: MC5, John Coltrane, and to be very bold Wendy Carlos (Arca has been big on pointing out Carlos was the OG not Kraftwerk and I think there's been a quiet build to draw attention to her from electronic music makers)

AME: Devo or Kate Bush, Rakim with or without Eric B, and if Priest misses Dio

Ertegun: I want Hype Williams but imma guess Jam and Lewis or Sean Combs

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 15:25pm


Ben,

As far as I know, no one on this board is over 80 years old, therefore none of us is old.

You are only 57. I am 60 and I think that Paul in KY may be slightly older than I am.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 16:22pm


Britney Spears becomes eligible in 2024 her first single came out in 1998.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 16:28pm


Ngl i feel like if britney isn't a fyi, in wake of all that has gone down in the last 3 years and britney becoming the face of disabilities rights after years of being taken advantage of and an industry punching bag and having the scope of her influence become very very clear, there is gonna be serious hell to pay and the hall will have to some serious soul searching in its quest to figure out its issues.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 17:04pm


I think Priest did poorly in 2020 and 2018, they only get nominated because of Tom Morello. Then again, MC5 only got nominated because of John Landeau.

I think someone at the Hall read the "What if the Early Influence Category was used for artists with albums over 50 years old" article/post that someone made at one point and then ran with that article.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 17:36pm


Follower

And thank god they did cause the honour as it was had an incredibly limited scope and kind of felt dated. Yea there are still names that got looked over (Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald probably being the biggest) but now there's a path for folks like Coltrane, Parsons, and Dale. It was a very wise move.

BTW if there is a lurker here it is time to create an "International Rock N Roll Prize". Rock N Roll is a global thing and the Hall is very US focused and that's a shame cause so much music is indebted to guys like Cliff Richard, Serge Gainsbourg, Nico, The Guess Who, Daddy Yankee, King Crimson, and Pulp and there is minimal chances any get in via the vote and the side categories are very tight. Even Fela Kuti I don't think has much of a chance at the vote despite the NomCom seeming to like him. This is something the hall should really look into.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/16/2022 @ 23:21pm


I dont think it's been mentioned yet, but they might try to appease some of us with the Monkees as a musical excellence or early influence award. I'd be ok with it, as long as they do SOMETHING while Mickey is at least still around. It's shameful they haven't even given them a token nod, and we've lost 3 of them in 7 years

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 03:06am


Don't know if he will get in or not, but to me, Mr. Ritchie has enough solo stuff to qualify.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 07:08am


Hear, hear, Enig!!! None of us are old (yet)! I'm 62. Still rockin, tho!

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 07:13am


Paul in KY,

Thank you for responding. I agree completely with the possibility that Lionel Richie will be inducted in 2022 as a performer. He is a beloved figure, one of the greatest singer- songwriters of all time. Lionel has a Kennedy Center honor, has won an Academy award for best song, has 4 Grammy awards, has sold over 100 million albums worldwide, had co-written, 'We Are The World,' with the late Michael Jackson and he has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, in addition to other awards and honors. This man is a huge icon. I am fairly certain that he will be inducted into the 2022 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction class.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 07:32am


Paul in KY,

You are 62 years old? Wow, I had absolutely no idea. Just kidding. If 60 is the "new 40," then I guess that 62 is now the "new" 42?

Have a great day.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 07:37am


K-dawg

I would love to see the monkees get early influence, strong argument to be made about their impact on videos and pop stsrdom, but I'm unsure if they've got the support especially in wake of meat loaf's death, he in my opinion was more of a musical icon and might be seen as having more hall cred...also might be seen as a way to counter the hall developing the same reputation as the Oscars, Grammys, and such as being to politically left.

If they're looking to honour a recently dead icon and meat loaf died with enough time, he could be a spoiler for a monkees induction.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 08:33am


Duran Duran and Eminem are fighting at the top spot in the fan vote. However, accusations from Eminem's fans have Duran Duran fans either using bots or getting support from other fanbases to vote for them. Kate Bush also for some reason is rising at a consistent pace. Could we be underestimating her? This maybe her highest placement so far on the fan vote. She may even overtake RATM.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 09:17am


Plebeian

Been saying for a while she's a proper dark horse. She has a growing and deeply passionate fan base.

People want her honoured

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 09:21am


Also another thing is that I found more interesting stats to fit my 3-timers or more club theory and Richie's theory on the even number years of classes.

2012:
Beastie Boys (3)
Donovan (2)
Laura Nyro (3)
RHCP (2)

2014:
KISS (2 and Fan Vote Winner)
Cat Stevens (2)

2016:
Deep Purple (3 and consistent Fan vote top 5 getter)
N.W.A. (4)

2018:
Bon Jovi (2 and Fan Vote Winner)
The Cars (3 and consistent Fan vote top 5 getter)

2020:
Depeche Mode (3)
Nine Inch Nails (3)

2022:

Likely candidates:
Pat Benatar (2)
Judas Priest (3, I would assume their chances get higher every time they are nominated)
Rage Against The Machine (4)
Kate Bush (3)
Dionne Warwick (2)
Eurythmics (2)

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 09:33am


Paul in KY,

regarding Lionel Richie: Yes, I know that he had a lot of hits either with The Commodores or on his own in the 70's and 80's and sold millions of albums and totally needs to be in the Rock Hall no doubt in some capacity, but IMO, this feels like a Steve Miller/Nile Rodgers/Chaka Khan situation all over again, People have been clamoring for the induction of his original group The Commodores, but would the Hall pull a fast one as they did with Steve Miller and Nile Rodgers and induct Lionel on his own and not with the rest of The Commodores just like Steve and Nile on their own and not with the rest of the Steve Miller Band and Chic?. I just don't know.

Plebeian,

I think that out of the repeat nominees this year, I think that Pat Benatar, Eurythmics and Dionne Warwick will get in this year along with Duran Duran, Eminem, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon with Rage Against The Machine as one of my spoilers along with Beck. I think that Judas Priest feels the anti-metal bias once again and still won't get in despite having no real competition this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 10:52am


Couple thoughts on the fan vote, although they are superficial:

Eminem's fans accusing DD of using bots is hardly surprising. He is a conspiracy theory figure, so it's totally possible for outlandish claims such as this. Duran Duran is simply the most glaring (in terms of recognizability) omission on the list of nominees.

Kate Bush can get as high as she wants. Sadly, I don't think the RRHOF is going to put her in this year before more noticed acts get in. Although, you could argue that this entire class should be inducted to clear up a little backlog

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 12:32pm


K-Dawg

I think the backlog with bush is deep enough now she'll get in either with the vote (she probably has a big enough base now) or ame either this or next year. Let's be frank the hall wants to induct more women into it (were 3 years removed from stevie and janet calling for it) and 4 of the current top women in contention (bjork, fiona apple, pj harvey, tori amos) very clearly were influenced by her while other top contenders (outkast, the smiths) have members who openly were influenced by her while some hall of famers (depeche mode) were too. She's also kind of obviously the one with the most growing influence as the years go by.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 13:08pm


If Dolly Parton gets in this year, Which other Country acts do you guys think would be next in line after Dolly?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 13:25pm


Plebeian,

Re: Eminem

That is ridiculous, then his record company definitely deserves to lose. Duran Duran is ahead of him because they have cross-generational support.

Yet, I have not even motivated the prog fan base to vote for Duran Duran, yet, but perhaps I will?

K-Dawg,

I totally agree with you. Should I motivate the prog fan base to blow Eminem out of the water?


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 13:29pm


Enig,

It's just a generational thing. Eminem appeals to the younger generation. So don't knock them for thinking that way.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 14:34pm


A couple thoughts on the fan vote:

Not surprised at the top 4 at all. Pat Benatar is holding at a solid third and Dolly right behind at fourth. Interesting dual at the top. I wish the vote was shorter, it might make for a more dramatic finish.

Pleasantly surprised Eurythmics are holding on at fifth. Technically the only spot that matters is between 5-6. I don't know if they will stay ahead of Judas Priest and Lionel Richie, but I did not expect them to be in the top 5.

Kate Bush is a solid performer. I don't think she'll get voted in but her fans are showing up and I'm glad to see it. I know she's one of the four I consistently vote for each day.

A Tribe Called Quest is not doing great but they are doing better than I thought they would. It was really hard to predict Beck's results but I didn't expect to see him that low.

Keep smashing those votes, I guess.

Posted by remy10 on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 15:19pm


Richie

Willie probably.

Merle, waylon, and gram are early influences with buck owens, george jones, tammy Wynette maybe also getting this.

I think The Chicks, Garth, kenny, and Shania could also get nominated. The Chicks being the most likely to get in imo

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 17:58pm


Plebeian,

Re: Eminem.

Why should we induct an artist who does not have cross-generational support? Also, his fan base apparently needs to return to school and learn how to write their comments using complete sentences.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 21:08pm


Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated.

Judas Priest feels like the anti-metal bias once again and still won't get in despite having no clear competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/17/2022 @ 21:13pm


Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated instead.

Judas Priest feels like the anti-metal bias once again and they still won't get in despite having no clear competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 01:10am


Enigmaticus

I mean Eminem has cross generational support. Generation X, Millennials, and Gen Z (3 generations) have all propelled him into having been the best selling artist of 2000s and 2010s and have major hits in 4 decades. I get being annoyed by his 16 year old fans but the dude has fans who are well into their 40s and maybe even 50s now (not counting people like Elton and Madonna).

Posted by mat r on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 01:16am


Wenner only inducts whom he wants and likes

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 01:18am


mat r,

So if I understand this correctly, you are saying that Eminem's fan base consists of members of the three younger generations, not Generation Jones and the Baby Boomers? Okay, then that means that our educational system is definitely in desperate need of a complete overhaul. If Eminem's lyrics are misogynistic and homophobic, then that means that he is expressing his art as an extension of his own personality and that these people are okay with that? Wow, I certainly am not going to support such an artist and I do not think that many individuals of the two generations that I am supposedly part of will support him either. Thank you for letting me know that It is now the time to mobilize the prog fan base to support the artists that we feel have improved our world, not detracted from it.

Well, what do you think?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 02:25am


Garrus,

I think that for many years, members of my particular generation had believed that Jan Wenner had been the gatekeeper responsible for preventing various beloved artists from entering his sacred realm: the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. However, I had never particularly adhered to that particular point of view. For it had been under Jan Wenner's watch when the holy trinity of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) had finally been inducted and the inductions of: The Zombies, Roxy Music and Radiohead had continued to keep the "prog train" on it's proverbial track.

This was an indication to me that various music critics that had detested progressive rock had been the actual gatekeepers. However, after John Sykes had assumed the mantle of being the new Rock Hall chairman, we did not see any major "prog" acts being either inducted, nor nominated from late 2019 until this year. The fact that I have long supported the inductions of both Duran Duran and Carly Simon has been well-documented in my numerous posts on this particular board, in addition to numerous other websites dating back over 9 consecutive years. So, as far as I am concerned, the appearance of both Duran Duran and Carly Simon on the Nominating Committee's ballot this year had been a welcome and refreshing breath of fresh air and a positive sign of changes to come.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 02:57am


richie,

I completely and respectfully disagree with you about Lionel Richie's iconic status and the probability of his induction into the 2022 class. If any artist is an uncertainty as far as I am concerned- it is Eminem, not him.

I am in complete agreement with Paul in KY that there is a huge probability that Lionel Richie will be inducted in 2022 as a performer. He is a beloved figure, a multi-instrumentalist and one of the greatest singer-songwriters of all time. Lionel has received a Kennedy Center honor, has won an Academy award for best song, has 4 Grammy awards, has sold over 100 million albums worldwide, had co-written, 'We Are The World,' with the late Michael Jackson and he has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, in addition to numerous other awards and honors. Now, he is scheduled to receive the prestigious Gershwin prize. This man is a huge icon. I am fairly certain that he will be inducted into the 2022 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction class.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 03:14am


Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon and Eurythmics will receive my vote each and every single time. My fourth and fifth choices will now go to either Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is and the random configuration of the Nominee choices).

Incidentally, the Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also induct the late Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 03:34am


Ok Hear, hear, Enig!!! and Paul in KY. None of us are old (yet)! Great point none of us are 80. And I realize now I can carry a chat rather darn well on the 1990s. It's Not my heyday for knowledge but certainly can. I know quite a bit of Rage Against the Machine. And I am predicting them for 2022. They are the other 90s act I think has the best chance. The first 90s act is the one everyone is talking about, Eminem. Heyy I only know the M&Ms candy. I'm not dicsussing him here. Rage Against TM are fine by me in the Hall.
Let's slide back to 1980s now. Both of you are talking about Lionel Richie. I also agree that there is a huge probability that Lionel Richie will be inducted in 2022 as a performer. I do agree he is an Icon. Lionel Richie has enough solo stuff to qualify as an inductee for sure. I do know that Lionel has a Kennedy Center honor, has won an Academy award for best song, has 4 Grammy awards, has sold over 100 million albums worldwide, And I am reminded that he had co-written, 'We Are The World,' with the late Michael Jackson. That was such an extraordinary hit in 1985. I vaguely remember the Hollywood Walk of Fame, in addition to other awards and honors. This man is a huge icon. I am predicting him to be inducted into the 2022 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class. All 3 of us agree for sure.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 03:48am


I'm not officially predicting it, but I had an epiphany and a hunch today. The Doobie Brothers, arguably borderline Hall of Famers in terms of star power, were inducted with the group they were, I feel, to give the rock purists a foothold on at least one act and not tune out the HOF completely. They are Hall of Famers for innovation, as Michael McDonald added a dimension to them that turned an otherwise softer rock-yet-still rock group into more of an orchestral band, similar to Styx and Foreigner. That said, I have a hunch that Judas Priest MAY get in this year. Pat Benatar is a nice name, but she's not going to resonate with the aging rocker crowd (and this is NOT a knock on any of our regulars, so please don't take it as such because I said aging and it's a polarizing thing sometimes, I know you all are seasoned music fans and not judgmental), but the rock purists want Judas Priest as an all-white male band that exudes machismo and headbanging (we will ignore the fact that they are socially conscious). That reason aside, they do belong, but it might be a token gesture as opposed to finally opening the door to metal. An Iron Maiden follow-up, even if we do see JP in, is not guaranteed.

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 04:03am


Enig,

It is the Hall 'of Fame' and Mr. Ritchie sure has alot of that. Really stacked bunch of nominees if they only induct 5.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 06:32am


Enig, I hope 60 is the new 40! :-)

Best wishes to you on your birthday!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 06:33am


ritchie, I think that in any case of 'Great Solo Performer Who Started in Band' or 'Performer Who Dominated Their Band', the Hall only wants to induct that 1 person, as it keeps down the number of members who can say "I'm in the Hall of Fame"

Just a theory I have.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 06:38am


Enigmaticus

Yea you don't have to support the guy but don't just dismiss him for having largely a fanbase of people aged 15 to 55. Also Eminem's art is largely the reflection of growing up poor white trash and being filled with self hate. It's totally problematic but no more so than say The Ramones having a song about luring a gay guy to an alley under the guise of sex only to murder him or The Rolling Stones singing about raping a slave in the old south or Lou Reed singing about beating his girlfriend and being happy when her child gets taken away or Jimi Hendrix singing about shooting his wife cause she cheated on him.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 08:52am


K-Dawg,

Your predictions for the 2019 inductees were:

Def Leppard
Todd Rundgren
The Cure
Janet Jackson
Kraftwerk (later changed to The Zombies)
Stevie Nicks

You got five out of seven correct that year (Def Leppard, The Cure, Janet Jackson, The Zombies and Stevie Nicks).

Your predictions for the 2020 inductees were:

Depeche Mode
Whitney Houston
Pat Benatar
The Doobie Brothers
Nine Inch Nails
Soundgarden (later changed to T. Rex)

You got five out of six correct that year (Depeche Mode, Whitney Houston, The Doobie Brothers, Nine Inch Nails and T. Rex).

Your predictions for the 2021 inductees were:

Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren
The Go-Go's
Foo Fighters
Carole King

You got all six correct last year.

and now, Your predictions for the 2022 inductees are:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Eurythmics

So based on recent history, You will either get five out of six correct just like you did in 2019 and 2020 or get all six correct just like last year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 09:40am


We will see if he changes his mine.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 10:05am


mat r,
I haven't really sent a comment directly at you. You may be New. I've been on here since about 2014. There are differences between me and Enig. I've known him through here since I started here. It will be about 8 years since I started here. Unlike Enig, I am NOT a prog only person. I want to say that. He is much more of a Prog fan than me. Like him I ain't No Punk Rocker. But I like some of the Ramones. I don't like always use the label Punk. To me Ramones are just Rock n"roll. but using your example of Ramones won't sell him. Enig probably hates Ramones due to the label of Punk Rock. I am not a big Ramones fan either But I'm a huge Stones fan. I need to know what song you mean with raping a slave. The Stones had a tune called Slave on Tattoo You, And there is Brown Sugar. Let me know. Stones have never been angels. That goes back to the 1960s. I like some Lou Reed. Let me know what song you mean from Lou. With Jimi Hendrix its Hey Joe.
Also unlike Enig, I don't dismiss Eminem. I still do Not know a single song of him due to Personal tastes. I recognize that Eminem is for a younger generation. Actually his fan base seems to be 15-45. I have not met anyone my age that are huge Eminem fans. But I know that the Hall caters all kinds of genres and age groups. Eminem's art does seem to be the reflection of self hate based on what I've read. I can accept Eminem even though I'm much older than that fan base and don't know a single tune. I'm Not suddenly listen to loads of Eminem. But I will say as part of diversity other genres like Regular Rock and Old R&b shall be represented too. I don't like Eminem at all but I'm not as Harsh as Enig about it.
But I can tell ya that Ramones is probably a bad example for Enig,. I doubt he goes for Ramones. Let me know specific tunes.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 10:17am


Hey Ben

Yea I've noticed Enig is big on prog which is cool and was just picking a random handful of artists who are in with no real focus. The Ramones I just used cause they came to mind. Could probably have picked like Pink Floyd as, speaking of self-hate, The Wall gets incredibly dark at times too (In the Flesh? Goodbye Cruel World? Comfortably Numb?) even Queen (Don't Try Suicide aka the meanest song ever written)

Stones I was picking Brown Sugar, which they recently retired I think, while Lou Reed the album Berlin aka the most depressing thing ever recorded. The Hall's got a lot of acts that have gotten quite dark and problematic and they always have.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 10:33am


Paul in KY,

Thank you for the well-wishes; my 60th birthday was actually 15 days ago.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 11:54am


Paul in KY,

While they probably could have just inducted Jeff Lynne, Brian Eno, or even Dave Grohl alone, they couldn't have done that with Mark Knopfler or Mark Bolan. The Marks were inherently tied to their bands, while Jeff, Brian, and Dave did a ton of other stuff alongside their bands, especially Brian. If he were being inducted as a non-performer, he might have shown up.

As for this ballot, Lionel is easy to separate from his band, as the Hall has a "people with Diamond albums" priority for the last 8 years (Nevermind, Dookie, Greatest Hits 1974-1978, Ten, All Eyez On Me/Greatest Hits, Greatest Hits (Journey), Slippery When Wet, Pyromania/Hysteria, Whitney Houston's Self-titled [and to a lesser degree, The Bodygaurd soundtrack], Best of the Doobies, Life After Death, and Tapestry). This year we have Can't Slow Down and The Marshal Mathers LP/The Eminem Show as contenders. The Commodes don't have a Diamond album. (Or song, for that matter.)

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 11:57am


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Will N., Enig, KING, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated instead.

Judas Priest feels like the anti-metal bias once again and they still won't get in despite having no clear competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 12:30pm


Also, while Jay-Z and Chicago have no one Diamond Album, putting all of their respective albums together gets more than enough. (13 million, and a Diamond Album is 10 million) And I overlooked Escape for Journey in my previous post.

People with Diamond Albums not in the Hall, just for fun:

Garth Brooks (Double Live, No Fances, Ropin' The Wind, The Ultimate Hits, Self-Titled, The Hits, In Pieces, and The Chase.)
Hootie and The Blowfish (Cracked Rear View. The Best-Selling Debut Album of all time)
Shania Twain (Come on Over, The WOman in Me, and Up!)
Boston (Self-Titled)
Alanis Morisette (Jagged Little Pil)
Brittney Spears (... Baby One More Time and Oops..! I Did It Again)
Adele (21 and 25)
Meat Loaf (Bat Out of Hell)
Backstreet Boys (Millenium and Self-Titled)
The [Dixie] Chicks (Wide Open Spaces and Fly)
Boyz II Men (II)
Celine Dion (Falling Into You and Let's Talk About Love. The Titanic Soundtrack doesn't count because she only has one song on it; the rest of it is the film score that James Horner composed)
Jewel (Pieces of You)
Kenney G. (Breathless. LOL @ the idea of him getting in the Hall though)
Kenney Rogers (Greatest Hits)
Linkin Park (Hybrid Theory)
Matchbox Twenty (Yourself or Someone Like You)
Norah Jones (Come Away With Me)
Phil Collins (No Jacket Required)
TLC (CrazySexyCool)
Creed (Human Clay)
Kid Rock (Devil WIthout a Cause)
NSYNC (No String Attached and Self-Titled)
George Michael (Faith)
MC Hammer (Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em)
Lauryn Hill (The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill)
Mariah Carey (Daydream and Music Box)
Nelly (Country Grammar)
Nickelback (All The Right Reasons)
No Doubt (Tragic Kingdom)
Outkast (Speakerboxxx/The Love Below)
REO Speedwagon (Hi Infidelity)
Smashing Pumpkins (Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness)
Taylor Swift (Fearless)
Usher (Confessions)

Most of these artists are old enough, with a few exceptions.

There's a lot of people with Diamond songs, but most of them aren't old enough yet. Aside from Eminem, Queen, and Elton John, of course.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 12:40pm


I'm having more second guessing than ever this year. It might be trying to overthink and guess what the nom com is gonna do, but at the moment, I will stick to my predictions, which I believe Paul pointed out indirectly, is a small class in terms of the sheer number of people. Only 7 for 6 acts

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 12:41pm


Follower,

I have to say that from your list of artists with a diamond album, the one that surprises me the most is Matchbox 20. I never suspected they achieved that level of success. I was a little surprised by Nelly too, as I think of him as more of a singles artist than an album artist.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 13:22pm


Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated, I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot had The Commodores, not just Lionel, been nominated instead.

Judas Priest feels like the anti-metal bias once again and they still won't get in despite having no clear competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 13:50pm


mat r,
I like Lou Reed quite a bit but I don't know Berlin. Just the title. I own Coney Island Baby and Street Hassle. But those are Not exactly smooth music albums either. They are also about the smutty side of things.
. You could have easily picked like Pink Floyd as, speaking of self-hate, The Wall gets incredibly dark at times too I agree. In the Flesh? Goodbye Cruel World? Comfortably Numb?. On an earlier album Meddle there is One of These Days. One of These Days I'm going to cut you into little pieces.
And of course you can go back to an early performer that was a bit dark, Devious and Controversial. Jim Morrison! He did some Amazing but controversial tunes and things in his time with the Doors. Who were inducted as soon as eligible so long ago. There is other acts of my time that have gotten quite dark. I recall some Queen as you pointed out. Ahh Black Sabbath, Ohh Yes Frank Zappa. Frank Z had some wild stuff. I recall some is dark. There is tunes like The Torture Never Stops. I am known for a lot of Happy tunes in Rock also for sure. But there is some darkness in my collection.
So in the case of Eminem. My reading indicates that he is dark and nasty at times for a Young generation. Im in no hurry to listen to a lot of Eminem that soon. But I'm not dismissing him as Enig does. Which is why I predict him easily. This is not the position of either Enig or richie. richie is different. He seems to support Eminem. But insists that he will lose. I don't agree with that. either. And that's what I say about Eminem. It's based on observations

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 14:02pm


Could this be the first year that the entire top 5 of the online fan vote (which is Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, Dolly Parton and Eurythmics) get in?. I definitely think and have a hunch that it could be/could happen because all of the acts that I mentioned have a lot of things going for them based on recent voting trends (Duran Duran as the big populist act (and also one of two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts), Eminem as the sure-fire FYE lock/shoo-in (and also the Rap/Hip-Hop act), Pat Benatar as the big populist Classic Rock act, Dolly Parton as this year's Joan Baez and Nina Simone (acts that weren't quite Rock & Roll, but loved by a huge number of artists) and Eurythmics as this year's Steve Miller/Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfler/Brian Eno & Bryan Ferry/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl/Todd Rundgren (aka acts that have huge connections and respect in the music industry) and also the second of two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts, In years past, it was easy to predict who wouldn't get in out of the top 5 in the online fan vote, but this year, I just have a gut feeling that we may be seeing the entire top 5 of the online fan vote (Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, Dolly Parton and Eurythmics) get in for the first time ever in the 10-year history of the online fan vote this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 14:24pm


I don't think that will happen. I'm still rooting for everyone in the top 5 though, since right now 6 acts have been in the top 5 without getting inducted and that's too many.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 14:46pm


Follower,

but in previous years, it was easy to predict who wouldn't make it out of the top 5 in the online fan vote, this year, not so much, so that's why I just have a gut feeling that we may be seeing the entire top 5 of the online fan vote (which is Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, Dolly Parton and Eurythmics) get in this year and it would be the first time ever that the entire top 5 of the online fan vote got in in the same year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 14:54pm


It would please this 64 year old to have Kate Bush be a spoiler this year. I'm already pleased to see her doing better in the Fan Vote than expected. Whereas I would be pleasantly surprised to see her inducted, I don't see it out of the realm of possibility.

Bush fans like myself see her as being more talented than anyone else on the ballot by far. Anyone with more than a passing familiarity with Kate would likely vote for her. She's not an unknown quantity among the people actually doing the voting and having back to back nominations last year and this year is not an accidental event.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 18:06pm


Michael W.,
I've always thought about Matchbox Twenty as kinda like their generation's Journey. They're both pop rock bands who perform inoffensive love songs and both have charismatic frontmen who released solo records.

Posted by Henry on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 18:33pm


Kate Bush is the only one on the list who deserves to be nominated. If you are not voting for Kate Bush it's because you are ignorant to her contribution to music, and its about time you enlightened yourself.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 19:23pm


Hello everyone. Any of you remember a while back when Cleveland.com released their Rock Hall Purge list? Well I added on to that by adding artists in place of the ones that got purged (tho I did add a few of the purged ones back), starting with the 80s/90s classes, and they are as followed:
1987:
Ben.E King
Eddie Cochran
Bo Diddley
Aretha Franklin
Marvin Gaye
Bill Haley (& His Comets)
B.B. King
Ricky Nelson
Roy Orbison
Carl Perkins
Smokey Robinson
Big Joe Turner
Muddy Waters
Jackie Wilson
The Marvelettes

1989:
Loretta Lynn
Otis Redding
The Rolling Stones
The Temptations
Stevie Wonder

1990:
The Crystals
Manfred Mann
Dick Dale
The Four Tops
The Kinks
The Platters
Simon and Garfunkel
The Who

1991:
The Byrds
The Guess Who
Tom Jones
Boz Scaggs
Frank Sinatra
The Shangri-Las
The Turtles

1992:
Johnny Cash
The Isley Brothers
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Sam and Dave
The Yardbirds
Gorgio Moroder
Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band

1993:
Harry Nillson
Cream
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Doors
Etta James
Jim Croce
Van Morrison
Sly and the Family Stone

1994:
The Band
Jethro Tull
Grateful Dead
Elton John
John Lennon
Bob Marley
Rod Stewart
Can

1995:
The Allman Brothers Band
Al Green
Janis Joplin
Led Zeppelin
King Crimson
Neil Young
Frank Zappa

1996:
David Bowie
Jefferson Airplane
Diana Ross
Supertramp
Pink Floyd
The Shirelles
The Velvet Underground


1997:
Bee Gees
Meat Loaf
Crosby, Stills and Nash
Roberta Flack
Joni Mitchell
Parliament-Funkadelic
Warren Zevon

1998:
Eagles
Fleetwood Mac
Big Star
Olivia Newton John
Santana
Sparks

1999:
Billy Joel
Curtis Mayfield
Paul McCartney
Little Feat
Dusty Springfield
Bruce Springsteen
Fela Kuti

Who would you guys purge from this list?

Heres the link to the original article for those who need a refresher:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2022/01/the-great-rock-hall-purge-which-hall-of-fame-inductees-dont-belong.html%3foutputType=amp
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Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/18/2022 @ 20:42pm


Joe

What a really weird comment. Would you actually tell someone who vote for A Tribe Called Quest, MC5, Eurythmics, New York Dolls, and Dionne Warwick they were unenlightened on popular music because they didn't pick Kate Bush? Cause they'd probably tell you there is no Kate Bush without the New York Dolls or ask you if you know who A Tribe Called Quest is cause while Kate Bush is super important there are a bunch of artists nominated this year who are hella important and more important to music than her.

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 00:35am


mat R,

That happens here sometimes. Usually it's a dedicated fan of an either deserving or non-deserving acts (usually a rock act) that makes the proclamation along with saying the RRHOF isn't "rock" (it's not, it's rock AND ROLL), and it should be renamed the music hall of fame. Usually, they get a token nod and we move on.

Kate Bush is indeed deserving, but honestly every name on this list is also this year. An unusual situation indeed...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 01:17am


mat r,
Yeah it happens sometime. There is people that pass through briefly to exclaim they are a dedicated fan. It happens with deserved or undeserved acts. I recall this happened in the last couple year with Devo. A couple dedicated fans of Devo came along saying nobody is as important as Devo. They claimed that Devo Must be inducted immediately. Devo was Ok as an inductee. But Not immediately. Hey we just move on.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 03:26am


Raichu,

You have Meat Loaf in way too early (Bat Out of Hell wasn't released until 1977, making him not eligible until 2003), if he belongs at all (he may be overvalued in light of his recent passing), and I suspect Supertramp and ONJ wouldn't survive a Cleveland.com purge (nor should they)...

Also, Tony Bennett > Frank Sinatra, if you're gonna bother putting in their type of music for a Rock and Roll HOF...

Posted by EDS on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 05:07am


EDS,
According the Eligible Artists section Meat Loaf did become eligible in 97, so it works.

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 08:28am


Also trying to find worthy artists to put in for the early years were hard cause not that many big names became eligible till the 2000s/2010s.

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 08:30am


Eds

Sinatra is largely the prototype for the male pop idol and is often credited as coming up with the modern concept of the album. If that style goes in it would likely be him as early influence.

With that said bennett is pretty key to popularizing modern pop standards as general pop music so i do see an argument for the guy

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 09:32am


Alright time to reveal the 2000s segement of my purge series. This one was a bit easier than the 80s/90s purge although I did struggle with a few of the classses. That being said, here are the 2000s Purge Classes:
2000:
Eric Clapton
Earth, Wind and Fire
Peter Frampton
The Carpenters
Nick Drake
Three Dog Night

2001:
Aerosmith
Kool & The Gang
Michael Jackson
Queen
Paul Simon
Steely Dan
Bad Company

2002:
Alan Parson Project
The Carpenters
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Blood, Sweat and Tears
Ramones
Talking Heads

2003:
AC/DC
The Clash
Elvis Costello and the Attractions
The Police
Chic



2004:
Prince
Jackson Browne
ZZ Top
George Harrison
B-52s
Black Flag
Siouxsie and the Banshees


2005:
U2
The Pretenders
Echo and the Bunnymen
Brian Eno
The Pointer Sisters



2007:
Van Halen
The Ronettes
R.E.M
Patti Smith
Billy Idol



2008:
Leonard Cohen
Madonna
Sonic Youth
Björk
The Jam

2009:
Metallica
Run-DMC
Cyndi Lauper
Scorpions
Joy Division/New Order

As usual, I'd like to hear who you guys would purge from this list

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 10:11am


If Carly Simon gets inducted, maybe she can finally tell us who You're So Vain is about!

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 12:49pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Enig, Raichu, remy10, Follower, Joe S. and Mat R,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated, I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot had The Commodores, not just Lionel, been nominated instead.

Judas Priest feels like the anti-metal bias once again and they still won't get in despite having no clear competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 14:25pm


Curious with Duran Duran feeling like a lock who do you think benefits more: New Order or Billy Idol?

I feel like New Order (and Joy Division) don't gain much from it but it might finally clear the British New Wave lane of more commercially successful in America acts enough for them to finally get on the ballot.

On the other hand, Duran Duran were probably held back due to being seen as an MTV video heartthrob act first and musical act second and it's likely a similar reputation likely hangs over Idol's potential. Duran Duran getting in shows the voting base is ready for that kind of character.

Both seem like serious hall contenders with the move to the 80s so I'm curious who scores more from Duran Duran getting it.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 15:22pm


Mat R,

Idol is a joke (figuratively and literally), so I don't see him getting in ever or at all.He honestly shouldn't be in the conversation in the first place. JD/NO may need two or more support inductees to make it a steamroller on the first try.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 17:02pm


Plebeian

I agree idol's a less serious artist than most (chaser trends aggressively throughout his career, decided to become more of a personality than a rock star in the mid 90s...after his only serious attempt at artistry resulted in the worst album of the 90s) but despite lacking any really good albums he accumulated a lot if hits and has a lot of songs that hold up as just fun party rock songs and such. A billy idol greatest hits collection is all you need but it's a pretty good time and sometimes that's all you need to get into the rock hall (enough good songs to fill a 45 minute greatest hits collection)

I think jd/no have the support in the voter base as radiohead, nine inch nails, depeche mode, roxy music, and the cure all did get in (i would say all those acts reflect very well for them) but there seems to a hold up with the smiths, kate bush, eurythmics, and now duran duran seemingly being prefered by the nomcom. It is kind of odd the jd/no haven't been on the ballot yet either together or seperate when you consider than both love will tear us apart and blue monday have probably as iconic anything everyone else I've mentioned has done.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 17:49pm


Mat R,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated, I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot had The Commodores, not just Lionel, been nominated instead.

Judas Priest feels like the anti-metal bias once again and they still won't get in despite having no clear competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 17:58pm


Why is Billy Idol a joke? He's got at least half-dozen classics that are still widely heard and was one of the first rock stars to break out on MTV. The latter is now important in the John Sykes era so it seems. And the fact he gets played on both classic rock and new wave/alternative stations -- just like Talking Heads, Blondie and a few others in the actual Hall -- should account for something. Not saying he needs to go in immediately, but I wouldn't write him off so easily.

Posted by Dave on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 18:14pm


Mat r,

Duran Duran's upcoming induction will finally lead to nominations for King Crimson and possibly Gentle Giant. However, between your aforementioned artists, their induction would most probably help New Order and Human League much more than Billy Idol.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/19/2022 @ 23:51pm


Dave

Yep. I'd also note there are artists (such as Pat Benater) who have had similar careers to Idol that are in or have been nominated. The guy's also had a lasting impact, as you mentioned he has at least 6 classic rock radio and playlist staples still (White Wedding, Rebel Yell, Mony Mony, Eyes Without a Face, Cradle of Love, Dancing with Myself) and beyond that he's just an icon. From Adam Sandler to the Warp'd Tour to Miley Cyrus he's been very visible since his semi exit from music and often talks about music very publicly, VH1 and MuchMoreMusic often had him on in the 2000s as a talking head to talk about the video era and such for various programs they did and since then he's been a staple of the music podcast world because he's got a wealth of knowledge as a fan and musician and generally just seems like an approachable guy. He also popularized the term Generation X which is massive.

And it doesn't hurt that he helped induct T Rex.

He's a dude who very much should be taken seriously as a contender for the Hall

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 00:00am


Enigmaticus

I think, and I think you'll dislike this maybe, Robert Fripp will get Musical Excellence which is pretty lame and I try not to think about it. I think it will be soon cause the videos he and Toyah did reminded people at large how cool and fun he is and that combined with Anthony Fantano and the blogger world hyping him up will push him but sadly King Crimson will get screwed. I kinda hate saying that so please don't kill me.

I do think Human League benefits a lot from recent inductions. Dare is such a classic album while "Don't You Want Me", "(Keep Feeling) Fascination" and "Human" are still retro radio/80s playlist favourites. My only hold up is I think they are very much dependent on 2 of the following going in first: New Order, Pet Shop Boys, Tears for Fears, Eurythmics.

A big reason why I'm thinking Idol here is because who else like Idol is there in at the moment? Bon Jovi had a much longer run on top so not them, Madonna had a way longer run and broke way more ground, Ricky Nelson was an innovator of rock. Duran Duran (or Pat Benatar) are really the first act like him to go in.

That said, what the f is keeping New Order (and Joy Division) off the ballot? It really seems to be American success which once Duran Duran or Eurythmics is in what reason is left other than The Smiths, who also can no longer get on the ballot.

It really feels like Duran Duran create a lane for Billy Idol to compete in but also clear a lane for New Order, who will be in pretty quick if combined with Joy Division. I don't know which is bigger cause one is practically a lock on getting in while the other is actually given a chance to compete.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 00:35am


He's not peripheral to Billy Idol, who really I would say belongs in the conversation with a Billy Squier or even an Eddie Money, but someone who should benefit (hopefully soon) for the somewhat recent inductions of Stevie Ray Vaughan and the Butterfield Blues Band (who I continue to say got in prematurely), is the enigmatic (no pun intended) George Thorogood. The man isn't really known for his original songs overmuch, but he IS a huge influence on cover bands, live bands, and just about anyone who wants to hear the blues. Will he get in with the Destroyers? The Hall has a 50/50 on that one...

What do you guys think?

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 05:18am


Alright, time for the 3rd and final part of my Purge series: The 2010s + 2020 and 2021. This section is my most favorite out of the Purge series. As always tell me who you guys think would get purged. The Purge classes are:
2010:
ABBA
Genesis
The Stooges
Pet Shop Boys
Flaming Lips


2011:
Tom Waits
Alice Cooper
The Stones Roses
Ozzy Ozbourne
Hüsker Dü

2012:
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Guns N Roses
Beastie Boys
Soundgarden
Eric B. and Rakim
INXS

2013:
Rush
Public Enemy
Randy Newman
Donna Summer
Sinéad O'Connor
Pixies

2014:
Nirvana
Peter Gabriel
KISS
Fugazi
Massive Attack
De La Soul


2015:
Green Day
Lou Reed
Queen Latifah
Sting
Pavement
Slade

2016:
Deep Purple
Steve Miller
Alice In Chains
Blur
Mariah Carey

2017:
2Pac
Pearl Jam
ELO
Alanis Morissette
Bad Brains

2018:
Nina Simone
The Cars
Wu-Tang Clan
Tool
No Doubt

2019:
Janet Jackson
Radiohead
The Cure
Roxy Music
Outkast
Mötley Crüe
Blink-182

2020:
Depeche Mode
Whitney Houston
Nine Inch Nails
Daft Punk
Oasis
Weezer

2021:
Jay-Z
Tina Turner
Iron Maiden
D'Angelo
The Monkees
The Go-Go's

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 08:08am


K-Dawg

I don't know about George Thorogood. It feels like him going in while Steppenwolf and The Kingsmen are relegated to "singles" would be weird. If they were still doing the singles thing I could see "Bad to the Bone" being inducted but beyond that I dunno. I feel like if the Hall wanted to recognize someone for influencing cover bands and bar rock then The Tragically Hip would be a better option.

The one name you mention with regards to Idol I find interesting is Billy Squire who I think is a strong contender for Early Influence because he's among the most sampled acts not in the Hall. With Questlove, Nile Rogers, and Tom Morello being important figures in the Hall already it seems like sampling will become more accepted in the near future and a lot of those sample gods like Squire, Kool and the Gang, The Winstons, Biz Markie, and Loleatta Holloway will start going in that avenue.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 08:48am


Mat R,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated, I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot had The Commodores, not just Lionel, been nominated instead.

Judas Priest feels like the anti-metal bias once again and they still won't get in despite having no clear competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 09:32am


The Billy Idol talk reminds me of the classic rock episode of Who Cares? He was one of the Classic Rock artists mentioned.

Of course, not all of his material is Classic Rock. White Wedding is, but Dancing with Myself isn't. In any sense, he has his case. More than George Thorogood, by the way. The fact that Bad to the Bone is everywhere is more than enough for him.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 10:55am


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Enig, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated, I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel, had gotten nominated instead.

Judas Priest feels like the anti-metal bias once again and they still won't get in despite having no clear competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing going for them.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti all have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 14:20pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Enig, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

What are your predictions for the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 14:20pm


All right, Richie, since you asked, here are (in no particular order) my predictions for the 2022 Rock Hall Inductees:

1: Pat Benatar
2: Duran Duran
3: Eminem
4: Lionel Richie
5: Dolly Parton
6: Eurythmics
7: Judas Priest

And Richie, since we're on the subject, let me address the supposed anti-metal bias held by the R & R Hall of Fame: It's true that there aren't a lot of heavy metal bands in the Big Hall. There are currently 5 bands who are considered to be heavy metal that are in there: Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, AC/DC, Deep Purple & Metallica. I also know that John Sykes and his cronies know that the Hall can't simply have only 5 metal bands in there forever. And whenever you nominate a band that's both popular AND an all-time great band -- just like Judas Priest -- you know you'll eventually have at least a few critics criticizing you for keeping them out -- or (God forbid) a full-blown riot on your hands.

It's time. Please put your hatred of heavy metal aside and induct Judas Priest into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Johnny on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 15:18pm


P.S. I almost forgot: If you wanna add the Jimi Hendrix Experience to that list of metal bands I just mentioned, please feel free to do so. Besides, Jimi practically invented metal at Woodstock.

Posted by Johnny on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 15:31pm


I guess none of the acts on my last 2 purge lists are worthy of purging. Cool I guess

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 15:42pm


Johnny

You forgot def leppard (glam metal), guns n roses (glam metal), bon jovi (glam metal), and nine inch nails (industrial metal)

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 15:54pm


Johnny,

I agree with your take on Heavy Metal and Judas Priest, I think that they really should absolutely go in and they have songs played on Classic Rock radio so that helps them as well (unlike Iron Maiden and Motorhead), I love Judas Priest and they're one of the biggest snubs of the HOF by far, their influence in Hard Rock/Heavy Metal can't be denied for too much longer, so I think that they stand a very good chance this year, I'm not predicting them, but I think that they stand a very good chance this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 16:28pm


Reminder that richie has friends everywhere in the industry including at the highest levels of the rock hall

https://www.etonline.com/dave-grohl-talks-studio-666-and-how-the-lionel-richie-cameo-came-to-be-exclusive-179648?amp=

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 17:07pm


I want Rage to get in so much, but their chances are always middling and now I'm anticipating a Morello Musical Excellence to get them done.

:(

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 17:21pm


Mat R,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated, Yes, I know that he has friends in high places everywhere in the music industry including at the highest levels of the Rock Hall, but I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel, had gotten nominated instead.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti all have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 17:30pm


The biggest question/curiosity I have this year is Lionel Richie's nomination as a solo artist. I am very surprised by this nomination, mainly because I thought The Commodores are far more HOF worthy and should have gotten nominated, I have nothing against Lionel as he did have a lot of hits and sold millions of albums in the 80's, but his solo career definitely lags as opposed to someone like Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins who became bigger stars as solo artists after Genesis and Phil Collins is a bigger HOF snub than Lionel, To me, this feels like Sting and Stevie Nicks's nominations all over again, Yes, I know that Sting didn't get in the year that he was nominated solo, but Stevie did the year that she was nominated solo, but IMO, that was a way for the Hall to make her the first Female member of the Clyde McPhatter Club, so she got in undeservedly based on name recognition alone that year, I really hope Lionel doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 20:36pm


Richie

I feel like richie's nomination is probably the result of him being a generally well liked guy. When you look at richie on paper he's a lock but his music kinda is the definition of lame and comodores make sense.

However, the guy is seemingly friends with everyone ranging from tim mcgraw to dave Grohl. He did that induction a while ago then probably mentioned to questlove, schaffer, and grohl that there was 1 thing missing for him to do and they pushed him into the ballot.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 21:01pm


Mat R,

I know, but I just don't see it for Lionel this year, especially not with other acts on the ballot this year that are more deserving and have better chances of getting in this year like Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Dolly Parton, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick, so I think that if and when Lionel gets in, it should and it will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own. End of story.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 21:33pm


Plebeian,

I wouldn't go that far with Tom Morello getting the AME if RATM doesn't get inducted this time because it's going to leave out a huge part of the story. So with that, i'll honestly think that Rage would finally have their induction besides Beck is a First time nominee & i don't see him getting inducted this year & Rage are the only band from the 90's that is nominated this year.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 22:53pm


Alright Richie, here's my predictions for this year's inductees.

Eminem - There's absolutely no way that he's going to be snubbed since he's so influential & popular to be ignored by the committee. He's the only lock & guarantee for induction come May.

Duran Duran - If they're going to have british bands being inducted again then Duran Duran seems a likely choice for it since they were a trending topic for induction since 2019 ceremony & with the new release of their 15th studio album. Yeah let this be their year.

Pat Benatar - Just so that her fans can stop whining about her snub but it doesn't make her the best candidate/possible inductee of all glory.

Judas Priest - Metal needs more representation in the Hall & it's only a matter of time if Priest actually gets a charm for induction since it's their 3rd nomination. It worked for Deep Purple in 2016 so it can be the same for JP.

Dolly Parton - If the Hall wants to become more evolved & diverse then they should let more country acts in there & Dolly Parton is one of them, given the fact her influence is huge on music let alone her sales & whatnot it's safe to say that she'll become one of the two female acts to be inducted this year.

Rage Against the Machine - They're the only band from the 90's that is nominated this year & it's their 4th one so they have a clear shot for the honor.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 23:12pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W, K-Dawg, Ben, Enig, KING, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated instead, I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel, had gotten nominated instead.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti all have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/20/2022 @ 23:15pm


Based on press currently and how artists have been "campaigning" these are my current ranks

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran - fan vote kings
3. Dionne Warwick - CNN are going all in on her doc it seems
4. Lionel Richie
5. Judas Priest - they've been doing a lot of press lately, are stressing a new album is coming soon, and the Super Bowl ad was a hit with viewers
6. Dolly Parton - the "I'll do a rock album" comment bugged people and her Super Bowl ad flopped massively plus her Sun City gigs are being talked about again
----------above are in----------
7. Beck - keynote speech at SXSW
-----------above are depth picks for a class of 7-----------
8. Pat Benatar - does not seem to really care
9. Devo
10. Rage Against the Machine
11. Eurythmics - overperforming in fan vote but slow to promote
12. A Tribe Called Quest
13. Kate Bush
14. Carly Simon - too slow out of the gate
15. Fela Kuti - fan vote disappointment
16. MC5
17. New York Dolls

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 01:23am


I saw Bill Idol several years ago at Bonnaroo & he put on a hell of a show. He has a case.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 07:20am


Here's my ranks on the nominees and the order of their chances of getting in this year:

1. Eminem (duh)
2. Dolly Parton (duh)
3. Duran Duran (1st of 2 80's New Wave/Alternative picks and likely Fan Vote Winner)
4. Pat Benatar (Classic Rock pick)
5. Carly Simon (70's Singer-Songwriter pick)
6. Eurythmics (2nd of 2 80's New Wave/Alternative picks and they have friends in high places in the industry)
7. Dionne Warwick (New Documentary will help her just like The Go-Go's, plus she has friends in high places in the industry just like Eurythmics)
8. Beck (Huge respect from his peers and the critics, plus the ceremony's in LA (his hometown) this year, I think he is a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
9. Rage Against The Machine (The only 90's Rock Band on the ballot this year, plus the ceremony's in LA (their hometown) this year, I think they are a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
10. Judas Priest (The anti-metal bias hurts them, but this is the best chance they have ever had yet so far, plus it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and also, they have the three times a charm thing going for them, I think they are the last of the potential spoilers and the last of the dark horses for induction this year)
11. Lionel Richie (I think people are way overestimating his chances this year, I think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I think that he would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, had gotten nominated instead, I think that he stands a better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own)
12. New York Dolls (They have the three times a charm thing going for them, but I think that the lack of name recognition hurts their chances this year especially with bigger names on the ballot this year, I don't like their chances this year unless the Hall puts them in as an Early Influence)
13. Devo (They also have the three times a charm thing going for them, but I think that they will be seen as too much of a novelty act and too weird by the voters, plus they will be canceled out by both Duran Duran and Eurythmics)
14. Kate Bush (She also has the three times a charm thing going for her, but I think that her lack of success in America, plus she will almost certainly be a no-show for the ceremony hurts her, plus she will also be seen as too weird by the voters like Devo and like Devo, She will be canceled out by both Duran Duran and Eurythmics)
15. A Tribe Called Quest (I love them and it's great to see them on the ballot, but they will be canceled out by Eminem this year, They have no chance this year)
16. MC5 (The 60's are a sunken ship when it comes to the Hall, and outside of Dionne Warwick and The Monkees, I think that the 60's are done for as far as Performer inductions go, so yeah, I think that MC5 have no chance this year unless the Hall puts them in as an Early Influence)
17. Fela Kuti (lack of name recognition in America hurts him, He has no chance this year unless the Hall puts him in either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence)

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 08:58am


Who among the nominees y'all think has the best shot at getting a side category?: Fela Kuti (EI or AME), MC5 (EI), Kate Bush (AME), New York Dolls (EI), or Devo (AME)

I feel like they're only going to do one and am I thinking one of the AME honours will go to a rapper (I'm thinking Eric B and Rakim) to make sure they have the biggest possible rap moment during Eminem's induction so that's one slot gone there. IMO MC5 makes sense for Early Influence (and probably will get it) and ends the wait but I dunno I think there's a growing urgency to get Bush in as Bjork, Amos and Apple are all now eligible and Kuti seems like maybe the most important possible induction at the moment due to it opening the Hall to World Music.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 09:35am


Mat R,

You're missing Chaka Khan as Musical Excellence, Even though she's not on the ballot this year, I think she's a shoo-in for that category this year.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 10:00am


richie

i'm talking about among the nominees only here. i agree she's got a strong chance of it this year but i also think a rap act is more likely than her to get one of the spots this year

so among the nominees only who ya think?

Posted by mat r on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 10:20am


Mat R,

either Fela Kuti (Early Influence or Musical Excellence), MC5 (Early Influence) or New York Dolls (Early Influence), I think that when Kate Bush and Devo get in, it should and will be as Performers. I think that Lionel Richie could get Musical Excellence the same way as LL Cool J and Nile Rodgers did, but I think that he stands a better chance of getting in with The Commodores in the Performers category more so than on his own.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 10:37am


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Will N., Enig, KING, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Nick B., Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my ranks on the nominees and the order of their chances of getting in this year:

1. Eminem (duh)
2. Dolly Parton (duh)
3. Duran Duran (1st of 2 80's New Wave/Alternative picks and likely Fan Vote Winner)
4. Pat Benatar (This year's Classic Rock pick)
5. Carly Simon (This year's 70's Singer-Songwriter pick)
6. Eurythmics (2nd of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks and they have friends in high places in the industry)
7. Dionne Warwick (the next Female Pop Diva to go in and also, Her new documentary will help her just like The Go-Go's, plus she has friends in high places in the industry just like Eurythmics)
8. Beck (Huge respect from his peers and the critics, plus the ceremony's in LA (his hometown) this year, I think he is a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
9. Rage Against The Machine (The only 90's Rock band on the ballot this year, plus the ceremony's in LA (their hometown) this year, I think they are a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
10. Judas Priest (The anti-metal bias hurts them, but this is the best chance that they ever have had yet so far, plus it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and also, they have the three times a charm thing going for them, I think they are the last of the potential spoilers and the last of the dark horses for induction this year)
11. Lionel Richie (I think that people are way overestimating his chances for induction this year, I think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I think that he would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, had gotten nominated instead, I think that he stands a better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own)12. New York Dolls (They have the three times a charm thing going for them, but I think that the lack of name recognition hurts their chances this year especially with bigger names on the ballot this year, I don't like their chances this year unless the Hall puts them in as an Early Influence)
13. Devo (They also have the three times a charm thing going for them, but I think that they will be seen as too much of a novelty act and too weird by the voters, plus they will be canceled out by both Duran Duran and Eurythmics)
14. Kate Bush (She also has the three times a charm thing going for her, but I think that her lack of success in America, plus she will almost certainly be a no-show for the ceremony hurts her, plus she will also be seen as too weird by the voters like Devo, and like Devo, She will also be canceled out by both Duran Duran and Eurythmics)
15. A Tribe Called Quest (I love them and it's great to see them on the ballot, but no way they're getting in this year, especially not with Eminem on the ballot, They will be canceled out by Eminem this year, They have no chance this year)
16. MC5 (The 60's are a sunken ship when it comes to the Hall, and outside of Dionne Warwick and The Monkees, I think that the 60's are done for as far as Performer inductions go, so yeah, I think that MC5 have no chance this year unless the Hall puts them in as an Early Influence)
17. Fela Kuti (lack of name recognition in America hurts him, He has no chance this year unless the Hall puts him in either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence)

So, Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 12:29pm


Richie

One of the issues I have with your picks is I think it's too woman-focused for a fairly conservative organization like the Hall. Like we know there are people (eg. Gene Simmons, Alice Cooper, Flava Flav) who are gonna look at that list of nominees and go these really doesn't rock and maybe for one woman if any.

We talk about the hall being hesitant about rap, electronica, and metal and having blind spots on black music and almost minimal LGBTQ representation so what makes you think there would be a push from the mostly straight male voter base to create such a strong woman majority class. Yes the Hall wants more women in and are being pressured but we're also dealing with an organization that's been putting MC5 and Rage Against the Machine on almost every ballot since 2018.

Yes last year was 50/50 male-female but Tina Turner is beloved and Tapestry went diamond and The Go-Gos campaigned. Dionne and Dolly take that beloved spot but no one nominated has a Tapestry and no one other than Dolly and Dionne are really campaigning (Carol was really late to acknowledge the nomination, given surgery, and Pat and Annie do not seem to care - Dave has issued a statement but seems kind of indifferent). You essentially have 3 acts who are dependent on retrospective reputation to get in which isn't great when the vote stealers and dark horses (Duran Duran, Judas Priest, Rage Against the Machine, Devo, Beck) are actively still releasing albums and being booked to headline major festivals.

There's also the straight/white hegemonicness to the class you've picked. While I think voters would be resistant to voting 5 female centric and 2 male, I also think voters are also very aware of how bad having such a straight and white class would look in 2022. The last two classes have been pretty diverse (2020 with Whitney, Tiran Porter, Biggy, and Marc Bolan, 2021 with Jay Z, Tina, Pat Smear, and Jane Wiedlin) and your proposed class would likely be seen as a regression on that front. It could set up a great backlash on not only Twitter but also outlets like The Root, Ebony, and Pink News especially after the Hall hyped out how diverse the nominees were and early backlash to that from Rolling Stone about how under represented rap and black artists were in a year Eminem is likely to headline the class.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 13:47pm


Mat R,

but I feel that there are too many deserving women on the ballot this year that should get in, so I think that this is the year of the women, as well as it should be with Pat Benatar, Annie Lennox (Eurythmics), Dolly Parton, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick all getting in this year, Out of the six women that are nominated this year, The one that I think will miss out this year is Kate Bush (no disrespect to her, but she doesn't stand a chance this year), I think that Lionel Richie stands a better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own, Judas Priest did horrendously in the voting tally when they first got nominated for the 2018 class (and I doubt that they did much better when they got nominated again in 2020) so they're most likely not getting in again, so that leaves Beck and Rage Against The Machine as spoilers to my predictions for this year's inductees which are Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick, I think that we'll see 5 women get inducted this year, Don't be surprised if that happens.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 14:07pm


Richie

There are also many worthy people of colour (including Zach and Tom from Rage) on the ballot this year, some of whom are better selling and more acclaimed and influential than any of the women aside from maybe Dolly (including Rage). Your class is basically one of the biggest complaints about white liberalism, using white women to claim diversity while leaving far more marginalized groups out in the cold. People are well aware of this now especially in wake of the last few years.

Also I think including the women who watch the Hall would be shocked and not in a good way because again this is the worst way to do diversity and very much a regression from past classes.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 14:43pm


Mat R,

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/annie-lennox/eurythmics-rock-hall-nom-exclusive-1235026717/

Annie Lennox talked about Eurythmics's nomination this year in an exclusive interview with Billboard a few weeks ago on February 4 and here's what she said about their Rock Hall nomination this year in the exclusive interview with Billboard:

Dave and I have a long history. We've pretty much done everything it takes to survive in the industry of music, just like all the artists who've been nominated for the Hall of Fame, We each have our individual pathway and our own unique life stories, through music making, recording and performance. We were both passionate about being creative above anything else, It's lovely to be nominated and to be seen as a contributor to ever-changing cultural zeitgeist. Thanks must go to everyone we ever worked with and all the peeps who have loved our music, without whom....

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/dave-stewart-eurythmics-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-nomination-reaction-1235027767/

Dave Stewart also talked about Eurythmics's nomination this year in an interview with Billboard a few weeks ago on February 5 and here's what he said about their Rock Hall nomination this year in the interview with Billboard:

We did quite a bit of sort of interviews with people, new photo sessions, which we haven't done for awhile, and little bits of film - I can't remember everything, but we did quite a bit of stuff, And then we weren't put in. So this nomination kinda came out of the blue because we haven't actually been on tour or doing that much, Annie and I. It's one of those things where you just go, Listen, it's in the hands of the fans and the gods and the gods of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I suppose. People thought we were an electronic duo that came to America with this new wave synth-pop, but actually we insisted when we were writing our songs that we could play them with just a guitar and a voice, or piano and voice, I think the '80s were seen as this kind of pop music, quite disposable, blah, blah and yet it's still heard all over the place, our music. But it was the same with Motown, wasn't it? Oh, this is a lot of throwaway pop music. But still, when you hear them they sound fantastic. So I'm pleased that if we do get inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It sort of puts a little spotlight on our songs once again, so that other generations hear them and pass them on.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 14:53pm


Mat R,

I know that, but I could see Rage Against The Machine sneaking in this year along with Beck, but other than Beck and Rage Against The Machine, I would be shocked and surprised to see any of the other acts that are nominated (Judas Priest, Lionel Richie, New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti) get in this year, As I've said it before, I think that this is The Year of The Women with Pat Benatar, Annie Lennox (Eurythmics), Dolly Parton, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick all getting in this year, as well as it should be. I think that the 2022 inductees (I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year) will be: Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick. but Beck and Rage Against The Machine could definitely sneak in this year, so that's why I have them as spoilers to my predictions for this year's inductees.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 15:01pm


Richie

Missed Annie's comment but still they're campaigning far softer than many acts i feel you see as dark horses such as priest and richie. I would also note they don't seem to have a real campaign up their sleeves either based on a more recent interview dave did

"Annie and I just completely not expected it," he says of his reaction to the nod. "Now that it's been announced, we're both going, 'Oh, let's think about this.'..."

We're two and a half weeks in now and people have already been issuing new singles, reissuing albums, doing magazine covers and tv appearances, announcing high profile tour dates and new albums and the eurythmics have been more pretty silent. They're a dark horse profile wise atm.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 15:23pm


Mat R,

As I've said it before and I've said it again, I just don't see it for Lionel this year, I think that he would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated instead, I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel, had gotten nominated instead.

As far as Judas Priest, Nominating Committee member Alan Light said in 2018 when the 2019 nominees were announced that Judas Priest did horrendously/poorly/horribly/terribly in the voting tally in 2017 for the 2018 class and I doubt that they did much better when they got nominated two years later in 2019 for the 2020 class, so yeah, I think that they're most likely not getting in once again, which is a shame because they have no clear competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing going for them.

As for Dionne Warwick, Her documentary Dionne Warwick: Don't Make Me Over premiered in September of last year on September 11 at the Toronto International Film Festival, a few weeks before the 2021 inductees were officially inducted on October 30 and a few months before the 2022 nominees were announced on February 2. So her documentary has been out for a while now.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 15:39pm


Mat R,

As I've said it before and I'll say it again, I just don't see it for Lionel Richie this year, I think that Lionel would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated instead, I feel that he would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel, had gotten nominated instead.

As far as Judas Priest, Nominating Committee member Alan Light said in 2018 when the 2019 nominees were announced that Judas Priest did horrendously/poorly/horribly/terribly in the voting tally in 2017 when they were first nominated for the 2018 class and I doubt that they did much better when they got nominated again two years later in 2019 for the 2020 class, so yeah, I think that they're most likely not getting in this year once again, which is a shame because they have no clear competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing going for them.

As for Dionne Warwick, Her documentary Dionne Warwick: Don't Make Me Over premiered in September of last year on September 11 at the Toronto International Film Festival, a few weeks before the 2021 inductees were officially inducted on October 30 and a few months before the 2022 inductees were announced on February 2. So her documentary has been out for a while now.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 16:35pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W, K-Dawg, Ben, Enig, Donnie, Nick B., Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Ian, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S. and Lax39,

What are your predictions for the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6) and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year (If we get 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 18:00pm


Kate Bush is the only artist who has been rising in the poll. She just passed Rage Against the Machine. I honestly think she will be selected this year. She has influenced literally dozens, and dozens of artists, several on the panel in fact: Annie Lennox and Pat Benatar. Her songs are used in television shows, and movies frequently. Just last year her song hit number one on the rock charts with a cover of Running Up That hill by Meg Meyers. She isn't as unknown in America as some of you want to believe not to mention she is in the middle of the pack regarding the fan vote. For someone supposedly so unknown to be in the middle of the pack is an accomplishment. The people voting are aware of Kate's stature in music and realize she is over due.
These are the bands who will be inducted this year:
Eminem
Duran Duran
Kate Bush
Carly Simon
Dolly Parton
Judas Priest
Dionne Warwick

Posted by Alistair on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 18:25pm


Richie

Dionne's doc has been ready for a while but it hasn't been released to the public yet. It's getting that wide release as a launch title for cnn+ in march. As a result cnn is gonna be pushing Dionne hard af in the next few weeks.

Priest are, despite the anti metal bias, the only outright classic rock act (reminder pat has a ton of straight up pop stuff) nominated and their the only ones campaigning.

Allistair

Yep a lot of people here are in my opinion underestimating her odds. The fact she's back for a third round so soon suggests she's probably closer than most might think especially with depeche mode, roxy music, paul mccartney, elton john, madonna, radiohead, david gilmour, and nine inch nails all being among the voters. I do think she'll miss but i think she's one of the strongest dark horses.

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 19:31pm


Mat R,

I agree with you about Judas Priest, I think that they have a real chance this year, Their odds are better this year than they were in 2018 and 2020, where they had to go up against a whole ton of Classic Rock acts in both years (in 2018: Bon Jovi (who got in), The Cars (who got in), Dire Straits (who got in), The J. Geils Band, The Moody Blues (who got in) and The Zombies. and in 2020: Pat Benatar, The Doobie Brothers (who got in), Motorhead, Todd Rundgren, T. Rex (who got in) and Thin Lizzy). but this year, their only real competition is Pat Benatar, so I think that they have a real shot this time around. Deep Purple and AC/DC went in on their third tries, so I can definitely see the same happening for Judas Priest this year, and If they get in this year, It'll finally open the door to more Hard Rock/Heavy Metal bands getting in like Iron Maiden, Motorhead and Thin Lizzy (all previously nominated), as well as the frequent top vote-getter in the kiosk at the museum, Motley Crue.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 19:59pm


The Hall of Fame is supposed to be for musical excellence singling out those artists who have literally changed music.
Platinum albums are the award for popularity that's where it should start and end for acts like Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Dione Warwick and others. They have influenced teenagers in their homes, they didn't revolutionize the medium.
Its disconcerting that most of these comments are supporting Pat B, Duran, and other commercial artists.

Rage, Eminem, Beck and lastly Kate Bush are the artists who have mega influence on other artists, the music on the radio is influenced by these people definitely by Duran Duran for God sake.
This is supposed to be like the Academy Awards of Music.
If this is a dang popularity contest then Taylor Swift should just be given a pass and inducted ASAP.
These comments are so cringeworthy. You keep talking about the year of the female artist and yet you are listing everyone
but the one who belongs there most. Kate Bush's Hounds of Love is easily the most influential album by a female artist.

Use Google, Wikipedia, learn who these artists are, just because you are American doesn't excuse your ignorance.
SORRY, NOT SORRY!

Posted by Unsolicited Thoughts on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 20:35pm


Unsolicited Thoughts
"Platinum albums are the award for popularity". Bingo!
All these odds makers need to look back at earlier years Laura Nyro is in the Hall as are many other 'unknowns" like Kate.
I think you are wasting your these "people" commenting here generally do not have a grasp of music outside of what was popular growing up. Time will only tell who gets into the hall. Do not forget the people voting are music experts, not like these folks who only know who the popular groups are and are only voting for them. These people voted DMB number one last year, lol. They think DMB is great music and innovative, too.
I have been loling at all these fools.

Posted by Joe on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 20:48pm


Unsolicited Thoughts:
1)The ONLY artist out of this entire group that has an album and a song in Rolling Stones top 100 albums AND 100 songs
of all time is ...drum roll.....Kate Bush. Only Dolly has a song in the top 100, Jolene at 65.
2) Now that groups are encouraging their fans to vote as per some earlier posts Eurythmics....considering Kate doesnt do publicity she is in great shape.

Posted by Joe on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 21:06pm


Unsolicited Thoughts

Gold and platinum records do often matter, after all most of the best selling acts ever are also among the most influential, but you are right in that they're not the only factor. One of the big reasons I'm bearish on carly simon but bullish on kate bush is because we live in a world shaped by kate bush more so than carly Simon.

That said i do think you're very wrong about Duran duran and pat Benatar not revolutionizing the media because they literally did. They were two of the most vital in the transition to video and image based music. That does matter here.

Also you're knocking taylor swift aka the person pretty much an entire generation of female artists, from billie eilish to snail mail, have been crediting as a main influence for several years now.

Your post is cringe

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 21:23pm


Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think that Lionel Richie would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated instead, I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel, had gotten nominated instead.

New York Dolls, Devo, Kate Bush, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti all have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 21:57pm


Putting Lionel Richie in the Hall of Fame before the Commodores, it's like putting the cart before the horse! Nobody even knew who Lionel Richie was at the beginning. It was THE COMMODORES , the GROUP, that people knew about. The Commodores' first million selling record, was an instrumental called "MACHINE GUN". This was their breakthrough record. Lionel Richie didn't even write it! It was written by Commodores member, the late Milan Williams. Their Top 10 Pop & R&B Smash, "Lady ( You Bring Me Up)" wasn't written by Richie either.It was written by Commodore William King and his wife Shirley. One of the Commodores' all-time biggest hits, "Brick House" wasn't even led by Richie either. It was led by Commodores member Walter " Clyde" Orange. The group's Grammy-winning Smash , "Night Shift" ,was neither written, nor led by Richie. It was also led, and co-written by Orange, along with Richie's replacement, JD Nicholas. So, WHY is Richie being honored SOLO ?
The answer actually lies in Hall of Fame politics: Not a single Black R&B Group has been inducted by the Voting Body since Little Anthony & The Imperials…and that was in 2009…13 YEARS AGO !! The only OTHER R&B group inductees since…have been Special Inductions, that the voters couldn't shoot down…groups that should have been inducted with their original lead singers in the first place ( The Miracles, The Midnighters, and The Famous Flames), and later, The "5" Royals. THAT'S IT. In the meantime, The Chantels, The Marvelettes, The Spinners, &, Rufus have all been snubbed…more than once, and other notable R&B groups, such as The Pointer Sisters,
The Commodores, The Dramatics, The Chi-Lites (who were just awarded a STAR on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 2021) , Patti LaBelle & The Bluebelles/LaBelle, The Stylistics, The Delfonics, Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes, The Intruders, ( the first successful exponents of The Philly Sound), The Whispers, The Manhattans, (both of whom have had a string of hits dating back to the 1960's) The Dominoes , Jr. Walker & The All-Stars, and numerous others have been , and continue to be, SNUBBED…and the Hall of Fame doesn't seem to care if you know it…or not.
Why have Motown's Marvelettes , with some 26 Pop & R&B chart hits , and TOWERING influence, with songs covered by everyone from The Beatles and The Carpenters, to Jerry Garcia and Blondie, from Patti Smith, The Young Rascals, and Ella Fitzgerald, to Bette Midler and Phil Collins, get SNUBBED TWICE, while The Go-Go's, with just EIGHT CHART HITS to their credit, walk right PAST them into the Hall of Fame ?
Doesn't anyone SEE just what is going on here??
And that doesn't even count the number of solo R&B artists who have been completely IGNORED…including Joe Tex, Johnnie Taylor, Dionne Warwick, and Miss Ella Fitzgerald, one of the most- honored artists in Recording History. (Who should have been inducted as an Early Influence DECADES ago) , Barry White, Joe Simon, Ben E.King (Solo), Jerry Butler (solo); Gene Chandler ( a DOUBLE R&B Hall of Fame Inductee) , DON CORNELIUS, Roy Hamilton, Mary Wells, Lou Rawls,
If an organization takes it upon themselves to serve as the standard bearer and bastion for recognizing and honoring the importance of influential artists, of ALL artists, of Rock and Roll (not just RAWK) , they should include ALL of them , not just those of a certain race or skin color.
And those who claim that only White, guitar-based Rock acts should get in , are ignoring the incredible influence that Black R&B artists have had on Rock and Roll.
And why are only Rappers getting in ? R&B Artists influenced THEM too, you know !!
And yet…The Hall of Fame continues to promise " Diversity ".
Still waiting…

Posted by Bill G on Monday, 02/21/2022 @ 22:14pm


Bill G,

Powerful words and right...I have been a critic of the ignorance of the 70s R&B/funk omissions by the Hall of Fame.

On the front of Lionel Richie, I 1000 percent agree the Commodores should have been nominated first. My only sticking point in this, is that it's better to get him in at least for the moment, since they LOVE to cherry pick entire bands out of induction in favor of the big name (Steve Miller, Paul McCartney, Bob Seger and Bob Marley, to name a handful).

I hope your thoughts are spread and shared with the voting body, but I don't hold my breath just yet...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 00:56am


Bill G

Based and correct take. The Hall has really dumb blind spot when it comes to RnB of the 1970s, 80s and now 90s. Yes rap overtook RnB as the "black" sound but RnB has never gone away and the Hall basically created a voter base that had no issues overlooking important artists because they were viewed as not rock or pop enough. There' no real denying it when half of the 3 time nominated but not in crowd is RnB acts and when four of the six 5+ nominated acts that aren't are RnB acts. That bias is there and the Hall really needs to do something about it cause they've kind of killed the window for a lot of those acts (Chic for example who got 11 nominations and couldn't get in which is dumb).

They've been better but when you can't induct more than one rap act a year and it seems like you can't risk doing RnB past 1985 atm cause you haven't put Sade, Boyz II Men, TLC, D'Angelo, or Mariah Carey on a ballot but had no issues inducting Foo Fighters on day 1 you have to do better especially as Destiny's Child (2023 Beyonce has her first shot), Erykah Badu and Maxwell are now in play.

This nominee class is generally strong but it's very dull and fails in a lot of ways

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 01:30am


Inducting Kate Bush will open doors for female songwriters like Bjork, PJ Harvey, Tori Amos and Fiona Apple, who are influential in 90's music scene.

Posted by ChasingWildcat on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 02:32am


richie,
I do agree, There is a great chance for Chaka Khan as Musical Excellence, Even though she's not on the ballot this year, I think she's a shoo-in for that category this year. The acts inducted for ME last year were not on the ballot. I think Chaka Khan is inducted for ME this year. She is one of my predictions for ME. Also I predict King Crimson and The Meters. What are your thoughts on these 2?

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 03:04am


richie,
CORRECTION- My Musical Excellence predictions this year are
Chaka Khan, J. GEILS BAND and The Meters.

Musical Excellence

Chaka Khan
J Geils Band
The Meters

What do you think?

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 03:10am


ChasingWildcat + Ben

I feel both of your posts are kind of related cause Ben when I look at your list I see 3 strong contenders but am also reminded how slow the Hall has been on the 80s and 90s and how badly that slowness is because we already entering the 00s (Eminem is nominated, Nickleback and Daft Punk are waiting in the wings, Destiny's Child can be put on a ballot next year). As much as Chaka Khan, the J Geils Band and The Meters are worth I can't see them all getting it this year and expect Kate Bush, Fela Kuti, or Devo to be in play along with a rap act such as Eric B and Rakin or Boogie Down Productions to get it as well.

The fact we're so close to Britney Spears and Rihanna or The White Stripes and The Killers and they haven't even put TLC or Pixies or even Salt-N-Pepa or New Order on a ballot is evidence that the fetishization of 60s and 70s has gone on way too long. It's at the point were if a 60s and 70s band isn't in yet were they ever really worthy? Yes there are exceptions like Chaka Khan, Barry White, King Crimson, and New York Dolls and you can argue certain nation's music scenes would be very different without The Guess Who and Serge Gainsbourg but can you actually argue The J. Geils Band or ELP or Bad Company are elite enough to warrant induction ahead of Kate Bush or KRS-One or Sade in 2022 when those acts are very clearly far more influential on what you hear today? I don't think you can. I think the Hall needs to accept this and move on cause they've botched so much so quickly by paying too much attention to 2 decades that they've now got 3 waiting.

That's not even getting into the genre issues or race issues or gender and sexuality issues the Hall has cause it's got a ton of them. Freaking Daddy Yankee is eligible now and the Hall seems grossly out of its depth even trying to discuss reggaeton despite it being one of the most insanely popular forms of music today because they're still trying to get MC5 in via the ballot

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 08:10am


mat r,
My special category predictions are still subject to change. My Early I predictions will remain the same. But Musical Excellence can easily change for me. I will keep J. Geils Band. Its been awhile for Blues rock. The other 2 could change. So yu got that point. I want to review those who have been Nominated a lot. I'm settled on J Geils Band. Get back to ya

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 10:52am


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Will N., Enig, KING, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Nick B., Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my ranks on the nominees and the order of their chances of getting in this year:

1. Eminem (duh)
2. Dolly Parton (duh)
3. Duran Duran (1st of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks and likely Fan Vote Winner)
4. Pat Benatar (This year's Classic Rock pick)
5. Carly Simon (This year's 70's Singer-Songwriter pick)
6. Eurythmics (2nd of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks and they have friends in high places in the industry)
7. Dionne Warwick (The next Female Pop Diva to go in and also the token Black inductee this year, plus her new documentary will help her just like The Go-Go's and she has friends in high places in the industry just like Eurythmics)
8. Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance that they ever had yet so far, plus it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020), and also, They have the three times a charm thing going for them, I think they are a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
9. Beck (Huge respect from his peers and the critics, plus the ceremony's in Los Angeles (his hometown) this year, I think he is a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
10. Rage Against The Machine (The only 90's Rock Band on the ballot this year, plus like Beck, The ceremony's in Los Angeles (their hometown) this year, I think they are a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
11. Kate Bush (Performing surprisingly very well in the fan vote, I now think that she could sneak in this year especially with Roxy Music and T. Rex (acts that were more popular in the UK than in America) getting inducted in recent years, plus she has the three times a charm thing going for her, I think she is a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
12. New York Dolls (Glam Rock has done very well in the past few years with Roxy Music and T. Rex getting inducted, so New York Dolls are the next and last Glam Rock band that needs to be inducted, I now that they could sneak in this year, plus they also have the three times a charm thing going for them, I think they are a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
13. Devo (They also have the three times a charm thing going for them, but I think that they will be seen as too much of a novelty act by the voters, plus they will be canceled out by Duran Duran, Eurythmics and possibly Kate Bush, Still, I think they are the last of the potential spoilers and the last of the dark horses for induction this year)
14. Lionel Richie (I think that people are way overestimating his chances for induction this year, I think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I think that he would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, had gotten nominated instead, I think that he stands a better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own)
15. A Tribe Called Quest (I love them and it's great to see them on the ballot this year, but no way they're getting in this year, especially not with Eminem on the same ballot, They have no chance this year)
16. MC5 (The 60's are a sunken ship when it comes to the Hall, and outside of Dionne Warwick and The Monkees, I think that the 60's are done for as far as Performer inductions go, so yeah, I think that MC5 have no chance this year unless the Hall puts them in as an Early Influence)
17. Fela Kuti (lack of name recognition in America hurts him, He has no chance this year unless the Hall puts him in either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence)

So here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Kate Bush, New York Dolls, Devo

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 11:12am


I doubt if King Crimson, ELP and Jethro Tull will be nominated in the future. It seems that the hall wants to focus on more modern artists.

Posted by ChasingWildcat on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 11:30am


ChasingWildcat

Yes but they're starting to use side categories just to get that sort of act in when they're facing issues of inducting acts like eminem and nin ahead of their very obvious influences like rakim or new order. They had a window to adjust for this (aka put j geils in the side door in 2012 or something) but they didn't take it and now they've got several large backlogs that they need to resolve

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 11:57am


Ranking the nominees based on chances of induction.

1. Eminem - 100% lock & guarantee for FYE induction.
2. Duran Duran - Fan Vote Winners & one of the two English bands getting induction.
3. Dolly Parton - One of the two female acts to be inducted as performers & will be a second country artist doing so after Johnny Cash.
4. Pat Benatar - Another one that has a high chance for induction since fans can't stop screaming about her omission but still not the best of all glory.
5. RATM - Their 4th nomination & an only 90's rock band to be nominated so they have a clear victory.
6. Judas Priest - 3rd nomination & another british act being inducted also Metal should be more represented.
7. Lionel Richie - So much hype for him in recent year so if they do 7 performers then he'll be a wild card.
8. Eurythmics - Doing well in the fan vote but there hasn't been any recent activity involving their possible induction so they might have one more nomination.
9. A Tribe Called Quest - Very influential group in the Hip Hop community but this won't be their year especially since Eminem is the only lock for induction.
10. New York Dolls - With recent inductions of T. Rex & Roxy Music, The NYD's would be the next one for inclusion but the ballot this year is very tough & crowded so if they don't get in as performers then Early Influence is their route just not this year.
11. Devo - Well they're nominated for the 3rd time & alongside Duran Duran & Eurythmics so they have less chances for induction this year & AME would be their only way to get in since LL Cool J & Kraftwerk got inducted under both AME & Early Influence.
12. Kate Bush - Same problem like Devo plus her less popularity in America is hurting her chances for induction in Performer Category so AME for her.
13. MC5 - They're likely will be going to the "Kraftwerk" route EI since it's their 6th nomination & the 60's are done with.
14. Dionne Warwick - See MC5.
15. Beck - Won't be considered for induction until bands like Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins & RATM get theirs first plus he needs a little more time.
16. Fela Kuti - AME or Early Influence since he's too obscured to be inducted as performer.
17. Carly Simon - A Carole King's this year & nothing new has come up about her evolving her nomination. So she has lowest chances this year.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 15:32pm


Mat r,

Your points are very valid to a system that makes sense. The RRHOF isn't, nor has it ever been consistent or predictable. They put the Zombies in just a couple years ago who are clearly a 60s band, and they are fans of bright shiny objects in the same vein. Foo Fighters, Jay-Z and Eminem get in right away because they are so popular with their respective fanbases. It is never going to fully move on from any era. There is a mountain of 70s acts, mainly r&b/funk but a few notable rock as well, who are indeed worthy IMO. Bad Company, Foreigner and even Boston can make a case, as do the acts I've mentioned numerous times, Spinners, Meters, Ohio Players, Kool and the Gang, and the Commodores. The 80s have carved out much of their obvious ones already; the 90s are underrepresented obviously, but this is the way the voting body works. We waited years to get Yes, Deep Purple, Rush, NWA, the Moody Blues, Tina Turner solo, Depeche Mode and countless other deserving inductees in. They march to the beat of their own drum, and it's inconsistent at best. One of the things that you can count on is they want publicity and butts in seats, and it is more easily done with acts still in the public collective consciousness. That is why, although I feel the Monkees have far more impact on the rock world than Meat Loaf, his passing may well get him a special induction ahead of "oh Mike Nesmith, that guy with the green fuzzy hat died". Meat Loaf is always on the radar because you hear "I Would Do Anything for Love" virtually anywhere.

You have great thoughts, but logic doesn't sit well with the RRHOF...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 15:34pm


Matt R,
"Also you're knocking taylor swift aka the person pretty much an entire generation of female artists, from billie eilish to snail mail, have been crediting as a main influence for several years now."
Yes, I am knocking Taylor Swift she creates cute commercial songs and as Aretha Franklin said she has beautiful gowns. If we have to act like all artists are equal then there is a problem. You fail to see that influencing other artists or peers is quite different from selling 10 million records. Taylor, Shania, Celine, they are all commercial machines. They have huge followings but, they are not changing music they are bubble gum.
The reason why I am so excited about Kate Bush is that her thumb is all over music today, she is different from the pop princesses who write trite pop songs and sell oodles of records. I am literally gobsmacked that you do not understand that the Rock Hall was SUPPOSED to reward those artists as opposed to the Taylor Swift type folks.
https://www.complex.com/pigeons-and-planes/2020/07/kate-bush-influence-big-boi
I hope you educate yourself and broaden your horizons. The Smiths have influenced the industry more than groups like Duran. Have a nice afternoon.

Posted by Unsolicited Thoughts on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 18:06pm


Anita Baker,
Its interesting that people are bring up R&B, yet Anita Baker's name hasn't been mentioned at all.
Now that we all agree that the Hall is really a Music hall of fame, I think its time to bring in someone like Anita Baker.
She is a real artist, writes her own music, and has been seriously influential. I would have put her in well before many other
acts that are already in.
I do not think that popularity alone warrants induction, I think they must have to be the whole package.

Posted by Unsolicited Thoughts on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 18:23pm


Unsolicited Thoughts

"Taylor, Shania, Celine, they are all commercial machines. They have huge followings but, they are not changing music they are bubble gum."

......but taylor has changed music. You seem ignorant to the fact cited as an influence on the rising crop of women artists and that she is credited by fender as being a factor in the rise of women buying guitars at the highest rate in history. These are significant things. That's not even getting into her impact on Industry trends.

Also the hall 1000% about artists like swift.

Also you seem to ignore that i championed Kate bush quite heavily and more aggressively than you. I'm way more educated on this topic than you because i also mentioned her influence on acts that came before her like elton.

Regarding the smiths: yes they did and are more influential than duran duran. But duran duran are also influential and not fronted by a white nationalist so I'm happy to see them get in before the Smiths.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 19:53pm


Mat R,

You are so correct, what is with the hostility lately here? Anyway, Swift has made her impact as a defining artist of this generation. Heck, I got to give her props and respect. From hated country white girl to widely-loved and enjoyed pop star in some capacity is something. And another thing on The Smiths. Let's just say getting INXS, Duran Duran, Eurthymics, and any other non-American 80s alternative/New Wave act adds more support for them to get in no matter what. Contemporaries help each other so DD getting in isn't the worst thing ever. Honestly, the Hall should just ignore the Mos altogether. He just wants attention and that's his Schtick. They should probably ask Johnny Marr of all people since he seems to be warming up towards his Smiths past lately. He should get the same attention as Morrissey by creating the sound. One bad apple won't affect the entire batch let alone the other members.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 21:09pm


Plebeian,

What are your predictions for the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6) and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year (If we get 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 21:20pm


Plebeian

I think it's kind of comically "Stans". Like I said before, Kate Bush has passionate fans and cause they're often younger they go all in on championing her (see the Kate Bush episode of Who Cares About the Rock Hall). She basically gets upgraded to being more influential than The Beatles, Prince, Michael Jackson, and Ramones combined somehow and the experimental pop god despite her being dubbed "Right Wing Ladies of the Canyon" by prominent members of the experimental music community. I've championed Bush's odds a lot and like her music but her die hards are next level.

I really would like the Hall to use the Award for Musical Excellence correctly and honour Marr (beyond The Smiths, he's been all over Britian and America's indie and alt music scenes since the 80s, from Billy Bragg to The The to Beck to Talking Heads to Bryan Ferry to Modest Mouse) so they can avoid honouring Morrissey while he's alive. There are a ton of problematic people in the Hall but Moz is a guy who very clearly can easily be avoided while still the music can be recognized.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 22:01pm


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16iiyjdpH2ajzUbtkxACCp0Gw-3mUXTESMzX5GRnvFR8/edit?usp=sharing

FRL just created a public ballot tracker for the 2022 nominees today, just like what Ryan Thibodaux has been doing with the Baseball Hall of Fame since 2013, The tracker collects all ballots that are shared publicly (or anonymously sent) and records them in a spreadsheet that anyone can access, The Vote Tracker has not only been invaluable in predicting who will be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, but has elevated the course among the fans who really care about who gets honored in Cooperstown, As a way to help voters with this task, FRL introduced the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Ballot Tracker, where they will track any ballots that get shared in a public forum (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, blogs, podcasts, other forums, etc). They're also offering voters the chance to participate anonymously by emailing a photo of their official ballots to futurerocklegends@gmail.com so it can be tracked in the totals without the public exposure. The current Rock Hall Fan Vote leaders will of course also be recorded as a ballot. Official ballots are still being sent out, so nothing has been tracked yet other than the current fan vote top five, but that should be a true indicator to see as to which acts are getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 23:26pm


Matt R,
I do not know what you're talking about, is this a podcast you are referring to about Kate Bush? I am being objective regarding Kate Bush. Funny you mention Prince because he was a fan of Kate's along with Tupac, Big Boi from Outkast, Maxwell, Solange, Tricky, etc and thats only in R&B. Her Hounds of Love album is comsistently listed in the top 100 albums of all time, yes, look at everything from Rolling Stone to every other aggregated music site. As far as female artists go there are few that are more influential than she is from Bjork, to Florence and the Machine, Goldfrapp, Tori, Pat Benatar, Stevie Nicks, Sarah MacLachlan, St. Vincent, Annie Lennox, Adele. Taylor Swift doesnt bring anything creative to music, of course she is influencing people like you and teenage girls! The point is the Rock Hall is supposed to be about people who influlence other artists. I just do not think that people like Katy Perry, and Taylor are in the same league as Kate Bush, you clearly do. And besides, according to the HOF 25 years have to pass after one's debut album to even be nominated.

You are taking what I said out of context with regard to the Smiths. I am talking about their MUSIC. Not his public persona. You really need to read up on Kate Bush because she doesnt want to be famous, never wanted to run around and tweet what she had for breakfast, she's never done that, her music speaks for her, she doesnt speak at all - only her music does.
I am only talking about the Smiths MUSIC being influential, much more influential than Duran Duran. For goodness sake the reason Pat Benatar hasn't gotten in is because she is not respected because she is a commercial artist.

You have an affinity for commercial music, thats who you are. I will shout it again and again, that commercial artists should not be nominated if it were up to me. You tried to make me sound obsessed but, go ahead and read all the Bio's on the Rock hall page, of all these nominated artist......the words they use for Kate...go ahead and read what they say about her career compared ot the other artists.
You need to stop bringing politics into this, beacuse Morrissey is not a White Supremist, you are sick.

Posted by Unsolicited Thoughts on Tuesday, 02/22/2022 @ 23:53pm


Y'all need a 'come to Jesus' moment if you seriously think Carly Simon has the lowest chances for induction this year.

Posted by Jd Hathaway on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 00:10am


Unsolicited Thoughts

Buddy why are you trying to sell me on Kate Bush? I'm sold on her already being worthy and contender. I've said like dozen times on this very page (ctrl +f it and look) that's she's uber influential (like top 5 of this crop of nominees). Stop spamming.

Now Taylor Swift their are literally artists today like Haim, Soccer Mommy and Olivia Rodrigo who are using her approach to music (to the point they need to give her writing credit) and the rise of Jack Antonoff (aka the guy who Lorde, St. Vincent, and Lana del Rey - I assume you like those people cause Kate Bush plus to mentioned St. Vincent already - go to for their record) becoming the go to producer has a lot to do with her and the 1989 album. You need to stop this line cause you're losing all credit. Go after like Shawn Mendes or something cause you mention that Rolling Stone Top Albums list and you know who else has a record in their top 100? Taylor Swift for Red an album that everyone from Pitchfork to Stereogum said was one of the best albums of the 2010s.

Also yes you have to be past 25 years, you originally said "then put Taylor Swift asap if you want popular acts in" and to that I'm like "yea put her in in asap. 2032"

"The point is the Rock Hall is supposed to be about people who influlence other artists." No it's "To engage, teach and inspire through the power of rock and roll." That's its mission statement. It's a museum that presents awards to important figures, not necessarily influential ones. There are countless super influential acts that are not in (the reason Kate Bush isn't outright the most influential this year is because MC5, A Tribe Called Quest, Judas Priest, and New York Dolls are also on that ballot) while kinda of meh super commercial acts like Journey and Bon Jovi are in. In fact since the early days of the Hall questionable acts like Bobby Darin have gone in. Christ Ringo is in the Hall twice. And none of that even matters cause again Taylor is quite influential.

Also, I "have an affinity for commercial music"? Duder I quoted Wolf Eyes when describing Kate Bush. You're not in my league it comes to out there music. Come back to me when you've listened to Current 93 or Nash the Slash.

Re The Smiths: Dude I know what you meant, I even agreed that their again uber influential, and I just I'm happy they're not on the ballot cause Moz has promoted a political party (on Jimmy Fallon) whose founder and leader wants to limit the birthrates of Britain's Islamic population combined with harsh restrictions on Islamic immigration in order to curb it and I think that's vile. How am I sick for not wanting that person honoured? I'll take a less influential act over that any day to receive such a high profile honour. While you're at it give Johnny Marr a honour and don't acknowledge Moz.

BTW the Hall is very political. Very.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 01:16am


mat r,
The Special categories are still subject to change for me. Early I predictions will stay the same but I am adjusting Musical Excellence right Now.
Picking the Meters together with the other 2 may be too much to ask. I do think J Geils Band have a rather good chance. They've been nominated like 5 times.
Here you go

Musical Excellence

Eric B and Rakim
J. Geils Band
Chaka Khan

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 02:57am


Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon and Eurythmics will receive my vote each and every single time. My fourth and fifth choices will now go to either Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is and the random configuration of the Nominee choices).

Incidentally, the Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also induct the late Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Do I like Eminem? Absolutely not! I have encouraged my fellow music aficionados to vote for any of the aforementioned artists, but definitely not Eminem.

Bill G.,

It is good to see that you have returned; I have really missed your input for the past few years!

On a sad note, I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of the late great Gary Brooker. He was a hugely influential artist and he will surely be missed.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 04:47am


Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon and Eurythmics will receive my vote each and every single time. My fourth and fifth choices will now go to either Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is and the random configuration of the Nominee choices).

Incidentally, the Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also induct the late Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Do I like Eminem? Absolutely not! I have encouraged my fellow music aficionados to vote for any of the aforementioned artists, but definitely not for Eminem.

Bill G.,

It is good to see that you have returned; I have really missed your input for the past few years!

On a sad note, I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of the late great Gary Brooker. He was a hugely influential artist and he will surely be missed.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 05:17am


mat r,
You will notice I enhanced the Musical Excellence. I modernized it from a few years ago. It was only back in 2015 that Ringo Starr was inducted into Musical E. This is Now modernized. After all I have to keep in mind that LL Cool J was inducted in 2021 in Musical E. I know LL Cool J much better than Eric B and R. But I can catch up on him. There are others here who were busy rocking with ZZ Top, Journey, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Billy Idol etc. Or mellowing out with Bruce Hornsby. Heyy what about him? Bruce Hornsby? Nobody has mentioned him. I own 3 albums of Bruce H. Lets talk about that later on. Anyway Eric B & R indicates modernizing Musical Excellence for 80s Rap

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 07:49am


Ben

Noticed. I think that's a strong trio and do think you had a point thinking a blues rocker might slip in especially if Priest gets in (thus removing the potential need to induct another metal person).

One X factor I think many are not factoring in is Questlove's movie Summer of Soul. I feel like the 5th Dimension could be at play for Early Influence but am unsure

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 09:45am


Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Kate Bush, New York Dolls, Devo

and now, My predictions for inductees in the side categories this year:

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Spoilers: Rick Rubin, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

Early Influence:

MC5
Big Mama Thornton
Link Wray

Spoilers: Patsy Cline, Fela Kuti

Musical Excellence:

Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan
Lionel Richie (I know that this may be very controversial, but I see him getting the LL Cool J treatment, I think that he'll get a Musical Excellence induction instead of a Performer induction, Either that or he gets in with The Commodores, as well as he should, once they are nominated)

Spoilers: Eric B. & Rakim, The J. Geils Band, Fela Kuti, The Meters

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 10:00am


Richie

I know there's a massive Hall watcher push for Estelle Axton but honestly I don't see it happening unless they decide to do 2 or 3 winners. I agree with Mary from Hall Watchers that I don't think they'll do a woman this year and maybe don't see the need to in this category given how deep the pool is.

And I wouldn't be shocked if Axton off the radar of the Hall at this point. Yes she corrects history but can the case be made now that she's the most worthy or relevant woman for a spot when Annie Nightingale and Sylvia Robinson are also not in. Given how slow the Hall is I don't know how long it would take to get all three (and probably Linda Perry) in and I have no idea who would go first, I would guess Robinson cause they seem ready to go over the origins of hip hop and have it on their minds but yea I don't know. Axton 100% should go in but I'm sure unless there's a new biography or documentary they're gonna ignore her sadly.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 11:22am


Mat R,

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16iiyjdpH2ajzUbtkxACCp0Gw-3mUXTESMzX5GRnvFR8/edit/?usp-sharing

FRL just introduced a public ballot tracker for the 2022 nominees yesterday, just like what Ryan Thibodaux has been doing with the Baseball Hall of Fame since 2013, The tracker collects all ballots that are shared publicly (or anonymously sent) and records them in a spreadsheet that anyone can access, The Vote Tracker has not only been invaluable in predicting who will be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, but has elevated the course among the fans who really care about who gets honored in Cooperstown, As a way to help voters with this task, FRL introduced the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Ballot Tracker, where they will track any ballots that get shared in a public forum (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, blogs, podcasts, other forums, etc). They're also offering voters the chance to participate anonymously by emailing a photo of their official ballots to mailto:futurerocklegends@gmail.com so it can be tracked in the totals without the public exposure. The current Rock Hall Fan Vote leaders will of course also be recorded as a ballot. Official ballots are still being sent out, so nothing has been tracked yet other than the current fan vote top five, but that should be a true indicator to see as to which acts are getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 12:30pm


richie,
do you know the link doesn't work or is that the point?

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 13:04pm


It's funny that someone also named Richie doesn't think Lionel will get inducted this year.

Posted by JHC on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 14:52pm


JHC,

Yes, it's true that my name is Richie (same as Lionel Richie), but my name is Richie Leitner, I am 25 years old and will be 26 years old on April 11 and I am autistic. Anyway, I just don't think that Lionel will get inducted this year, I think that there are other names on the ballot that are more deserving like Beck, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Devo, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Dolly Parton, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick (A Tribe Called Quest and MC5 are also deserving too, but they stand no chance this year), I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, had gotten nominated instead, So for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 15:02pm


Regarding the Smiths lead singer, I am half Turkish, I am considered white. If Morrissey has a problem with fundamentalist religion then he has the right to speak out against it. The LGBT community is under attack in quite a few countries, and according to sharia gays are to be put to death. As far as I know he is a LGBT artist who has the right to speak. Muslims are white, as far as I know i've never been mistaken for any other race. I am half Ukrainian from Ternipol and half Turkish from Ankara.
You are the one spamming not me.
You are annoyed that I happen to be giving my opinion on Kate Bush, and super annoyed that she is a critical darling.
The Smiths music is very political, very pro working class, and very very pro animal rights. You are trying to cancel people, instead of letting their work vouch for them. I despise people like Ted Nugent because he is so awful to animals however, I would not sit her and trash him for something not related to his music.
Morrissey is not even being considered for the HOF but the Smiths are, and its a shame that people like you want to act as a gate keeper based on half truths, and downright hatred.
Try to keep it about the music without taking shots at other people on the forum, lets keep a safe space for people who wish to comment.

Posted by Matt R, on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 16:09pm


THAT LAST POST WAS FROM ME, I WAS TRYING TO WRITE TO MATT R.
I THINK ITS A BAD IDEA TO ARGUE IN THESE POSTS, AND TO INFLAME OTHERS.
I WILL NOT BE REPLYING TO HIM ANY LONGER, AND I APOLOGIZE TO THE OTHERS
WHO HAVE HAD TO READ US ARGUING ABOUT KATE BUSH, THE SMITHS, LGBT ISSUES,
CANCELING PEOPLE ETC.

Posted by Unsolicited Thoughts on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 16:43pm


Unsolicited Thoughts

Duder go away. You actually just caused me to put a hex in kate bush's nomination with your deranged defence of the ethnic cleansing for britian and moz want (go look up the leader if for britian)

Lol you didn't even spell my name right

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 16:58pm


What are your predictions for the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6) and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year (If we get 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 18:44pm


lmao some of these comments are gonna look really silly a decade from now when Taylor Swift easily gets in on her first nomination. She's not just extremely commercially successful, but has done fairly well with critics, is a major influence on basically the entire Gen Z wave of singer/songwriters, has successfully changed up her genre basis multiple times, has already had an impressive longevity (still arguably at the peak of her career 16 years in), and has nearly universal cultural ubiquity.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 21:29pm


Here's the list of acts that I think will get inducted at some point:

Probably inducted either this year or soon:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Beck (Nominated this year)
Pat Benatar (Nominated this year)
Mariah Carey
Cher
Coldplay (Eligible in 2024)
Devo (Nominated this year)
Duran Duran (Nominated this year)
Eminem (Nominated this year)
Eurythmics (Nominated this year)
Iron Maiden
Jethro Tull
Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest (Nominated this year)
George Michael
The Monkees
Willie Nelson
OutKast
Dolly Parton (Nominated this year)
Rage Against The Machine (Nominated this year)
Diana Ross
Carly Simon (Nominated this year)
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
Soundgarden
Dionne Warwick (Nominated this year)
Wu-Tang Clan
The White Stripes (Eligible in 2024)

Will Eventually Get In, but it will take a while:

A Tribe Called Quest (Nominated this year)
Adele (Eligible in 2033)
Alice In Chains
Tori Amos
Fiona Apple
The Bangles
Beyoncé (Eligible in 2029)
Bjork
Mary J. Blige
Blink-182
Boston
Kate Bush (Nominated this year)
Phil Collins
The Commodores
Sheryl Crow
Daft Punk
Dave Matthews Band
Destiny's Child (Eligible next year)
Snoop Dogg
Drake (Eligible in 2035)
Dr. Dre
Missy Elliott (Eligible next year)
Gloria Estefan
Foreigner
Lady Gaga (Eligible in 2034)
INXS
Jane's Addiction
Alicia Keys (Eligible in 2027)
The Killers (Eligible in 2030)
Kool & The Gang
Patti LaBelle
Kendrick Lamar (Eligible in 2035)
Queen Latifah
Cyndi Lauper
Bruno Mars (Eligible in 2036)
John Mayer (Eligible in 2025)
Nicki Minaj (Eligible in 2036)
Alanis Morissette
Motley Crue
Motorhead
Nas
New York Dolls (Nominated this year)
No Doubt
Oasis
Pixies
Busta Rhymes
Salt-N-Pepa
Britney Spears (Eligible in 2024)
The Spinners
The Strokes (Eligible in 2027)
Taylor Swift (Eligible in 2032)
Thin Lizzy
Justin Timberlake (Eligible in 2028)
TLC
Usher
Vampire Weekend (Eligible in 2033)
Lil Wayne (Eligible in 2025)
Weezer
Kanye West (Eligible in 2029)
Amy Winehouse (Eligible in 2029)

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 23:34pm


The Smiths are not even nominated. Please do not ruin this board by saying awful things about someone not yet nominated. This site will be ruined if you do not stop. I love KBush listening to you two argue about her is entertaining. Dont ruin this for all of us by pushing lies about you know who.
PLEASE PLEASE stop

Posted by Debbi/Debs/Deb on Wednesday, 02/23/2022 @ 23:36pm


Debbi/Debs/Deb

Buddy brought the twice nominated Smiths up to attack Duran Duran and no lies were said by me and there was no arguement just one guy ranting and me saying "yea i know".

I just wanna get back to talking about richie's list and say he should bump up my boys Weezer as they're dropping 4 albums this year to make us all cringe somehow cause that's actually fun. Weezer are a fun band to watch and they're game to play ball here.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 02/24/2022 @ 00:38am


richie, agree with alot of your list of probable/possible entries in coming years.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/24/2022 @ 06:24am


mat r, have seen Weezer 4 times and they always put on a great show. Last set I saw they did both the 'No Scrubs' and 'Africa' covers. Plus a bunch of their hits, of course. I think they will be in within 10 years.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/24/2022 @ 06:26am


I've seen Weezer live a couple times as well. They are by no means great instrumentalists but they're incredibly fun live. I agree that they should make it in the fairly near future, probably after a few other 90's artists get in.

Richie,

Your list is quite thorough. The only omission I noticed was Arcade Fire, eligible in 2029. That's the same year as Beyonce, Kanye West, and Amy Winehouse. We could potentially have 4 FYE inductees that year, as Beyonce and Kanye are absolute locks and the other two have pretty good cases as well.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/24/2022 @ 07:27am


Richie, I appreciate the thoroughness of your list, but if you don't mind, I'd like to add a few bands & artists to your list:

King Crimson
Korn
Luther Vandross
Mastodon
Phish
Queens of the Stone Age
Slayer
Slipknot
Sonic Youth
Tool

By the way, Richie, in the interest of full disclosure, I'm simply thinking of random names for your list. While I'm eating a snack.

Posted by Johnny on Thursday, 02/24/2022 @ 13:08pm


Here's my ranks on the nominees and the order of their chances of getting in this year:

1. Eminem (duh)
2. Dolly Parton (duh)
3. Duran Duran (1st of two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts and likely Fan Vote Winner)
4. Pat Benatar (This year's Classic Rock pick)
5. Carly Simon (This year's 70's Singer-Songwriter pick)
6. Eurythmics (2nd of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks and they have friends in high places in the industry)
7. Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance that they ever have had yet so far, plus it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and it's way past time for a Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Band to get in as well and also, They have the three times a charm thing going for them (which has helped Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Lou Reed, Deep Purple, Yes, The Cars, Janet Jackson, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails and Todd Rundgren to all get in on their third nominations in recent years), I now think that they will finally get in this year)
8. Dionne Warwick (The next Female Pop Diva to go in and If we get a Black inductee this year, It'll be her, plus her new documentary might help her just like it did for The Go-Go's last year, and also, she has friends in high places in the industry just like Eurythmics, I think she is a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
9. Beck (Huge respect from his peers and the critics, plus the ceremony's in Los Angeles (his hometown) this year, I think he is a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
10. Rage Against The Machine (The only 90's Rock band on the ballot this year, plus like Beck, The ceremony's in Los Angeles (their hometown) this year, I think they are a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
11. Kate Bush (Performing surprisingly very well in the fan vote, I now think that she could sneak in this year especially with Roxy Music and T. Rex (acts that were more popular in the UK than in America) getting inducted in recent years, plus she has the three times a charm thing going for her, I think she is a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
12. New York Dolls (Glam Rock has done very well in the past few years with Roxy Music and T. Rex getting inducted, so New York Dolls are the next and last Glam Rock band that needs to be inducted, I now think that they could sneak in this year, plus they also have the three times a charm thing going for them, I think they are a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
13. Devo (Just like Judas Priest, Kate Bush and New York Dolls, They also have the three times a charm thing going for them, but I think that they will be seen as too much of a novelty act by the voters, plus they will be canceled out by Duran Duran, Eurythmics and possibly Kate Bush, Still, I think they are the last of the potential spoilers and the last of the dark horses for induction this year)
14. Lionel Richie (I think that people are way overestimating his chances for induction this year, I think that voters will look at him and go, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I think that he would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, had gotten nominated instead, I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own)
15. A Tribe Called Quest (I love them and it's great to see them on the ballot this year, but no way they're getting in this year, especially not with Eminem on the same ballot, They have no chance this year)
16. MC5 (The 60's are a sunken ship when it comes to the Hall, and outside of Dionne Warwick and The Monkees, I think that the 60's are done for as far as Performer inductions go, so yeah, I think that MC5 have no chance this year unless the Hall puts them in as an Early Influence)
17. Fela Kuti (lack of name recognition in America hurts him, he has no chance this year unless the Hall puts him in either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence)

So here's my official prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Kate Bush, New York Dolls, Devo

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/24/2022 @ 17:25pm


If I were choosing 7 this year this is who I would add:
INXS - Popular worldwide band. Would be nice to throw a bone to bands that matter in other parts of the world, Midnigt Oil would be another choice in the future. Would rather see INXS instead of Duran Duran. Thats why I am leading off with this choice. The online poll is interesting. DIdnt expect to see Eminem being beat by Duran Duran fans. If the UK thinks they are igonred by the Hall of Fame, imagine how the Australians feel. (There is no chance someone like John Farnham would ever be nominated.)
Kate Bush- Same reasoning as above. This lady is known the world over. Throw a bone and admit that other countries have added to the music industry. I like Eurythmics too. But Bush has to be put in first. Alison Moyet and her work with Yazoo should also have been nominated by now, sadly without Bush in none of these other women that matter can get in (Bjork, Tori Amos, Bat for Lashes, Florence, Joan Aarmatrading, PJ Harvey, Joanna Newsom) Would love to see Big Boi from Outkast induct her. He may be the only way to get her to go in the flesh.
Chic - The musical excellence award given to Nile is just not enough. Chic has influenced pop, rap, urban/hip hop, dance music. Nile is not getting any younger. Do not understand how Chic is not even in there yet. I would love to see Jay Z inducting them.
Rick James- This man was Prince before there was Prince. Prince totally followed in his footsteps even down to the girl groups. I could see Dave Chappelle honoring Rick.
Iron Maiden or Judas Priest - Should add at least one band in this genre to make up for ignoring it for so long. Since all types of acts are getting in the heavy metal people deserve some respect too. Robert Plant would be honored to give their speech.
The Smiths - They are the most important indie rock band of all time. He may be included at a later date he has some controversy. Putting in the Smiths pushes the issue of nominating him down the road. I do think peoples politics should be placed aside. We all need to learn to start respecting each other again, even if we disagree with them. Brandon Flowers of the Killers would be super, or since the Smiths are huge with the Mexican American and Latinos in general it would be a nice nod to have someone from that community to bring them in.

If the Hall is watching the fan vote the must be seeing some surprises. The only sure fire induction in my guess is Dolly Parton. She is pure American. No way will they not choose her. Pat Benatar who is supposed to be in the lead is being trounced by Eminem and Duran Duran. I thought she would be a shoe in now I dont think so. Also interesting is Beck is at the very bottom and Rage is being beaten by Kate Bush. She sits dead in the middle of the fan vote. Since she is doing well in an American contest it could be sending a message that its time to put her in.
My odds are as follows:

Beck 35% chance
Pat Benatar 60% chance
Kate Bush 50% chance
DEVO 25% chance
Duran Duran 75% chance
Eminemn 75%
Eurythmics 25%
Judas Priest 60%
Fela Kuti 35%
MC5 25%
New York Dolls 35%
Dolly Parton 95%
Rage Against the Machine 35%
Lionel Richie 40%
Carly Simon 50%
A Tribe Called Quest 50%
Dionne Warwick 25%

Gets in: Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Eminem, Judas Priest, Pat Benatar
May Get in: Kate Bush, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest
Most Likely Wont Get in: Lionel Richie, Rage Against the Machine, New York Dolls, Beck, Fela Kuti
No Chance: Dionne Warwick, MC5, DEVO, Eurtyhmics

Usually every year people the fans blast any rap acts that are nominated. This year its not happening so much, and people think its because Eminem is white. This is clearly unfair. Other years when black acts have been nominated fans flipped out (Jay Z, Whitney,and more). For this reason alone they might not give it to Eminem. The acts most likely to get in do not show a mix of types of people. The Hall wants to be seen as open minded and only putting in white acts will open them up to criticism. We all want diversity. Its a shame they didnt nominate black acts this year that are well known and liked. Mariah Carey has more number one hits than anyone and Rick James and Chic are no brainers. Everyone loves them.

Posted by RedHead on Thursday, 02/24/2022 @ 20:25pm


Notable bands not inducted in the hall of fame.

King Crimson
Sparks
Judas Priest
Motorhead
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Pixies
Sonic Youth
The Smashing Pumpkings
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
Alice in Chains
Jane's Addiction
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Outkast
The Smiths
The Replacements
Weezer
Megadeth
Slayer
Pantera
Disnosaur jr
Husker Du
XTC
The Flaming Lips
Yo La Tengo
The Flaming Lips
Wilco
Pavement
Modest Mouse
Pet Shop Boys
Tears for Fears
Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark
Oasis
Blur (If hall is in England, Pulp and Suede may be inducted.)

Posted by ChasingWildcat on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 03:09am


Notable bands not inducted in the hall of fame.

King Crimson
Sparks
Judas Priest
Motorhead
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Pixies
Sonic Youth
The Smashing Pumpkings
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
Alice in Chains
Jane's Addiction
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Outkast
The Smiths
The Replacements
Weezer
Megadeth
Slayer
Pantera
Disnosaur jr
Husker Du
XTC
The Flaming Lips
Yo La Tengo
The Flaming Lips
Wilco
Pavement
Modest Mouse
Pet Shop Boys
Tears for Fears
Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark
Oasis
Blur (If hall is in England, Pulp and Suede may be inducted.)

Posted by ChasingWildcat on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 03:10am


Notable 00's bands:
Animal Collective
Coldplay
Muse
Arcade Fire
LCD Soundsystems
The Strokes
The White Stripes

They are important but not recieve huge success like old bands as rock is not popular as before. Most of them will not be inducted. I think only Coldplay is sure to be inducted.

Posted by ChasingWildcat on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 03:15am


The Jam and Big Star should be inducted as well, although I doubt if the hall will ever do this.

Posted by ChasingWildcat on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 03:45am


Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon and Eurythmics will receive my vote each and every single time. My fourth and fifth choices will now go to either Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is and the random configuration of the Nominee choices).

Incidentally, the Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also induct the late Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Do I like Eminem? Absolutely not! I have encouraged my fellow music aficionados to vote for any of the aforementioned artists, but definitely not for Eminem. In my opinion, Eminem can definitely wait another 10 to 20 years, while some notable long overdue rhythm and blues artists are inducted.

Bill G.,

It is good to see that you have returned; I have really missed your input for the past few years!

On a sad note, I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of the late great Gary Brooker. He was a hugely influential artist, he had a great voice, he co-wrote fantastic songs and he will surely be missed.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 05:31am


I like these lists Right NOW. Here's MY list of Notable acts that I think will get inducted at some point:

Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Mott the Hoople
Pat Bentatar
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
.B52s
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
The Bangles
Chaka Khan
Diana Ross
Bruce Hornsby
Phil Collins
Steve Winwood
Inxs
Judas Priest
Motorhead
Iron Maiden
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
Alice in Chains
Jane's Addiction
The Smiths
The Replacements
Weezer
XTC
Blur
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Outkast

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 06:23am


Lionel Richie got a great headline today in the LA Times - "We've been thinking about Lionel Richie all wrong". The article highlights not only his Rock Hall nomination but the Gershwin prize and his Grammy track record. Really sells him as an artists rather than an entertainer.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 09:16am


Ben,

Out of your list of acts that you think will get inducted at some point, I agree with you on Jethro Tull, King Crimson (via a side category), Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, The B-52's, Carly Simon, The Bangles, Chaka Khan (via Musical Excellence), Diana Ross, Phil Collins, INXS, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Jane's Addiction, The Smiths, The Replacements, Weezer, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul (via a side category) and OutKast.

I think that Lionel Richie has a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own. I feel that Lionel would have had a better shot this year if The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, had gotten nominated instead.

Finally, I just don't see Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Mott The Hoople, Bruce Hornsby, Steve Winwood, XTC or Blur ever being inducted.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 09:21am


ChasingWildcat

White Stripes and Arcade Fire will 100% be inducted. Jack White pretty much is "The Last Rock Star" in a lot of people's eyes (I think he'll go in twice, once being with White Stripes) and Arcade Fire are as well established as the a band can be (the only thing against them is that they're Montreal based but hey the Butler's brothers are from Texas)

Beyond that and if we're just talking rock: The Killers, My Chemical Romance, Gorillaz (you mention Blur but Gorillaz is Albarn's best shot), Linkin Park, Fall Out Boy, Nickleback, Vampire Weekend, and Paramore are all likely to get in. I also am increasingly of the opinion that Avril Lavigne and John Mayer are locks for induction.

While rock declined there are still options for the 00s especially with how shallow the 2000s poll is for the first 5 or so years. The 2010s are when it becomes kind of dire cause rap and pop become as critically respected as rock and most note worthy acts (eg Imagine Dragons) are easily avoided. Tame Impala, Twenty One Pilots, Brittany Howard, and St. Vincent all have pretty decent chances still I think.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 09:35am


Here's my ranks on the nominees and the order of their chances of getting in this year:

1. Eminem (duh)
2. Dolly Parton (duh)
3. Duran Duran (1st of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks and likely Fan Vote Winner)
4. Pat Benatar (This year's Classic Rock pick)
5. Carly Simon (This year's 70's Singer-Songwriter pick)
6. Eurythmics (2nd of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks, plus they have friends in high places in the industry)
7. Judas Priest (It's way past time for a Hard Rock/Heavy Metal band to get in and I think that this is their best chance that they ever have had yet so far, plus it's a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and also, They have the three times a charm thing going for them (which helped Joan Jett & The Blackhearts and Lou Reed in 2015, Deep Purple in 2016, Yes in 2017, The Cars in 2018, Janet Jackson in 2019, Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails in 2020 and Todd Rundgren last year), I think that they will finally get over the hump and get in this year)
8. Dionne Warwick (The next Female Pop Diva to go in and If we get a Black inductee this year, It'll be her or possibly A Tribe Called Quest, plus her new documentary might help her just like it did for The Go-Go's last year and also, She has friends in high places in the industry just like Eurythmics, I think she is a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
9. Beck (Huge respect from his peers and the critics, plus the ceremony's in Los Angeles (his hometown) this year, I think he is a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
10. Rage Against The Machine (The only 90's Rock band on the ballot this year, plus like Beck, The ceremony's in Los Angeles (their hometown) this year, I think they are a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
11. Kate Bush (Performing surprisingly very well in the fan vote, I think that she could sneak in this year especially with Roxy Music and T. Rex (acts that were more popular in the UK than in America) getting inducted in recent years, plus she has the three times a charm thing going for her as well, I think she is a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
12. New York Dolls (Glam Rock has done very well in the past few years with Roxy Music and T. Rex getting inducted, so New York Dolls are the next and last Glam Rock band to needs to be inducted, I think that they could sneak in this year, plus they also have the three times a charm thing going for them as well, I think they are a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
13. Devo (Just like Judas Priest, Kate Bush and New York Dolls, They also have the three times a charm thing going for them as well, but I think that they will be seen as too much of a novelty act by the voters, plus they might be canceled out by Duran Duran, Eurythmics and possibly Kate Bush, Still, I think they are a potential spoiler and a dark horse for induction this year)
14. A Tribe Called Quest (They are well-liked by the critics and Rap/Hip-Hop fans, but I think that Eminem overshadows them on the ballot this year, Although I think that if we get a Black inductee this year, It'll be either possibly them or more likely, Dionne Warwick, Still, I think they are the last of the potential spoilers and the last of the dark horses for induction this year)
15. Lionel Richie (I think that people are way overestimating his chances for induction this year, I think that voters will look at him and go, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I feel that he would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, had gotten nominated instead, I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own)
16. MC5 (The 60's are a sunken ship when it comes to the Hall, and outside of Dionne Warwick and The Monkees, I think that the 60's are done for as far as Performer inductions go, so yeah, I think that MC5 have no chance this year unless the Hall puts them in as an Early Influence)
17. Fela Kuti (lack of name recognition in America hurts him, he has no chance this year unless the Hall puts him in either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence)


So here's my official prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Kate Bush, New York Dolls, Devo, A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 11:53am


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16iiyjdpH2ajzUbtkxACCp0Gw-3mUXTESMzX5GRnvFR8/edit/?usp=sharing

FRL just introduced a public ballot tracker for the 2022 nominees a few days ago on Tuesday, just like what Ryan Thibodaux has been doing with the Baseball Hall of Fame since 2013, The tracker collects all ballots that are shared publicly (or anonymously sent) and records them in a spreadsheet that anyone can access, The Vote Tracker has not only been invaluable in predicting who will be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, but has elevated the course among the fans who really care about who gets honored in Cooperstown, As a way to help voters with this task, FRL has introduced the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Ballot Tracker, where they will track any ballots that get shared in a public forum (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, blogs, podcasts, other forums, etc). They're also offering voters the chance to participate anonymously by emailing a photo of their official ballots to mailto:futurerocklegends.gmail.com so it can be tracked in the totals without the public exposure. The current Rock Hall Fan Vote leaders will of course also be recorded as a ballot. Official ballots are still being sent out, so nothing has been tracked yet other than the current fan vote top five, but that should be a true indicator to see as to which acts are getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 18:28pm


Out of this class, which nominee would you guys swap out and who would you put in their place?
I would honestly swap out MC5 and give Bad Brains another go.

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 18:45pm


I would swap Lionel Richie out for The Commodores, because I feel that if Lionel was gonna be inducted in some capacity, it would be The Commodores, rather than on his own. I still feel that he would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, had gotten nominated instead. I still think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 18:56pm


Raichu

If I'm doing replacing them with someone who fits the same box

Beck for Weezer
Duran Duran for New Order/Joy Division
Eminem for Outkast
Dolly Parton for George Jones and Tammy Wynette
Lionel Richie for George Michael
Carly Simon for Serge Gainsbourg (I'm marking Carly as more the 70s songwriter than the female nominee and Gainsbourg's might be more important despite limited American success)
A Tribe Called Quest for Salt-N-Pepa
Pat Benatar for Suzi Quatro
Eurythmics for Cyndi Lauper
Fela Kuti for Daddy Yankee (controversial but recognizing reggaeton would be surreal)
Dionne Warwick for Labelle
Kate Bush for Bjork (the case for Bjork might be stronger than Kate so I'm shocked they haven't tried it)
Devo for Sonic Youth
Judas Priest for Megadeth
New York Dolls for Misfits
Rage Against the Machine for Oasis
MC5 for The Guess Who

Of those, while I want Weezer and Bjork, I'd probably pick Duran Duran for New Order/Joy Division or Rage Against the Machine for Oasis because New Order/Joy Division was the bleeding edge of British music and Rage needs to take a break.

But if I'm just messing I'd remove MC5, Dionne Warwick, New York Dolls, and Devo and nominate Salt-N-Pepa, Daft Punk, Sade, and Pixies. Send a message that "we're done with all this and it's time to move on. Daft Punk is on the ballot for god's sake"

Posted by mat r on Friday, 02/25/2022 @ 21:35pm


Wanna feel old?

2 years until Britney Spears is eligible.

Posted by Britney Army on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 03:09am


There's a few I could pick from, but my knee jerk to swap out is Dionne Warwick for a LaBelle or Pointer Sisters. Her best chance is in a side cat

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 03:50am


Well I might as well do a list for who I would swap out besides MC5 and Bad Brains. For those that would fit the same slot
I'd swap out Devo for Sonic Youth
Judas Priest for Motörhead
Dionne Warwick for the Monkees
New York Dolls for either Slade or The Jam
Eurythmics for B-52s or Joy Division/New Order
Rage Against the Machine for Blur. In fact I believe that Blur should get in before Oasis because A) the members of Blur are more likely to all show up and play, and B) They're the ones who made the Britpop genre popular.
Swap out Tribe for Salt-N-Pepa and that would make a decent ballot
If I was just messing around I'd remove MC5, Dionne Warwick, New York Dolls and Devo for Blink-182, Slade and Cyndi Lauper, and throw in The Chemical Brothers in there for that "wtf" factor.

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 08:22am


Also does that picture the Hall posted on Twitter of Axl Rose and Bono I think before the nominee announcement hinting at anything or was that just them using it to get the idea across that something's about to happen?

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 08:26am


There's one thing to consider: The ceremony is going to be in Los Angeles this year and two of the nominees this year (Beck and Rage Against The Machine) are both from LA, Beck was born in LA and Rage Against The Machine was formed in LA as well, so does that give both of them hometown advantage (meaning that it could help both of them to get in this year)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 09:25am


Britney Army

And she should go in that year too. Classic songs (Baby One More Time, Toxic), has the classic genre birthing album (Blackout), loads of iconic videos (there's a good chance she's got more iconic videos than anyone else including MJ and Madonna), launched music trends (the late 90s pop princess, the youthification of Las Vegas), influenced future hall of fames (Gaga, Rihanna, Nicki, Miley, Lana, The Weeknd), helped legitimize a future hall of famer (Max Martin) and became legit bigger than music and the face of a what was ultimately a civil rights movement. Like I'm sure the Hall will try and avoid her cause it's the hall and she is mostly still seen as teen pop by a lot of people but she's pretty clearly a vital figure to 21st century music and culture (as big as Eminem) and really should be given a similar treatment as Madonna, who she succeeded.

Raichu

Yea Devo for Sonic Youth makes a ton of sense. Both are these art school bands around the same time that proved highly influential (Devo had more commercial success while Sonic Youth had more acclaim) but both occupy different places in culture with Sonic Youth's spot being something the Hall really hasn't explored yet despite inducting bands that were highly influenced by it like Nirvana and Radiohead. Kim Gordon's influence on 90s female rockers and riot grrl genre is gigantic and Lee Ranaldo and Thurston Moore arguably changed the way the guitar was approached (you probably hear more guys playing like them than Eddie Van Halen or Slash).

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 10:24am


Richie,

I think the hometown advantage idea is a total myth. At best, it's wishful thinking that "wouldn't it be great if this artist got in while the ceremony was in their hometown" but there's no tangible advantage that comes with it.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 11:02am


RG,

I think those 10 acts stand the best chance of getting in this year:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Slight Chance:

A Tribe Called Quest
Kate Bush
Devo
New York Dolls

No Chance (unless they get a backdoor induction via either Early Influence or Musical Excellence this year):

Fela Kuti
MC5

Most likely won't ever see an induction:

Lionel Richie (solo) (Why is he even here on his own?. I think that his spot on the ballot should have gone to The Commodores, I feel that he would have had a better shot if The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, had gotten nominated instead, I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own)

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 11:04am


Richie, I'm sure you're a great guy, but how many times are you gonna remind us Lionel Richie isn't your choice for the hall of fame? You have your viewpoint, and I agree the commodores should have been nommed first, but we have what we have. Imo, he belongs easy either way

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 12:05pm


K-Dawg,

Yes, I am a great guy and as you probably know, I am autistic, I am 25 years old and will be 26 years old on April 11, Anyway, regarding Lionel Richie: Yes, I know that he has had a successful solo career and is a beloved figure in the music industry and has huge name recognition and star power, but IMO, I just don't think that he deserves induction on his own, IMO, This is Sting and Stevie Nicks all over again, I feel that Lionel's spot on the ballot this year should have gone to either Phil Collins or George Michael because they have more solid Rock Hall credentials than Lionel, Steve Winwood had name recognition and connections and didn't get in when he was nominated solo, neither did Sting, Peter Gabriel being an exception because he became a bigger star after he left Genesis, Stevie Nicks only got in because of name recognition and the Hall's push for her to become the first Female member of the Clyde McPhatter Club, So because of that, I really hope everyone is wrong about Lionel getting inducted this year, I really hope he gets passed over, because there are other acts on the ballot this year that are far more deserving and stand a much better chance of getting in this year like A Tribe Called Quest, Beck, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Devo, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Dolly Parton, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick (MC5 and Fela Kuti are both gonna get backdoored via either Early Influence or Musical Excellence), I really hope Lionel doesn't get inducted on name recognition alone.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 12:27pm


Richie,

I think K-Dawg's point is that since we already know your thoughts on Lionel Richie, you shouldn't repeat all of your thoughts about his chances each time his name comes up, since it makes the discussion here really repetitive, and there are other interesting topics to be focusing on. No disrespect intended, but I understand his and other commenters frustration.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 12:38pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Enig, KING, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Nick B., Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

Did you guys see that FRL just introduced a public ballot tracker for the 2022 nominees a few days ago just like what Ryan Thibodaux has been doing with the Baseball Hall of Fame since 2013, The tracker collects all ballots that are shared publicly (or anonymously sent) and records them in a spreadsheet that anyone can access, The Vote Tracker has not only been invaluable in predicting who will be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, but has elevated the course among the fans who really care about who gets honored in Cooperstown, As a way to help voters with this task, FRL has introduced the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Ballot Tracker, where they will track any ballots that get shared in a public forum (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, blogs, podcasts, other forums, etc). They're also offering voters the chance to participate anonymously by emailing a photo of their official ballots so it can be tracked in the totals without the public exposure. The current Rock Hall Fan Vote leaders will of course also be recorded as a ballot. Official ballots are still being sent out, so nothing has been tracked yet other than the current fan vote top five, but that should be a true indicator to see as to which acts are getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 13:01pm


I think that the 2022 inductees (I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year) will be:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

With Dionne Warwick, Beck and Rage Against The Machine as spoilers.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 16:45pm


What are your predictions for the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 19:33pm


Rob Halford doing what Trent Reznor did and praising the Hall big time

"It's a great establishment, as far as what it should be and do, which is to represent all of these figures in music. It's always a place that's full of emotion and passion because that's what music generates."

He's also asking fans to vote Priest and seems to be reaching out to all metalheads to make a statement. They're in 6th but they're leaving the other rock bands, if we count Duran Duran and Eurythmics as pop, in the dust (50k+ votes on Rage) and are besting American icons Lionel Richie and Carly Simon atm. There's a good chance they catch Eurythmics and land 550,000 to 600,000 votes again.

I know a lot of you think the metal bias might hold Priest back but the stars are lining up for them at the moment. 3 Top 5 finishes on the fan ballot would probably turn heads so voters who keep tabs plus Halford wants it and aids the goal of diversifying the Hall. Being the lone "superstar classic rock band" on the ballot might finally get them in.

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 20:57pm


Mat R,

I have Judas Priest getting in now, I think that this is their third nomination and we've seen a trend in recent years in which acts get in on their third nomination (Joan Jett & The Blackhearts and Lou Reed in 2015, Deep Purple in 2016, Yes in 2017, The Cars in 2018, Janet Jackson in 2019, Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails in 2020 and Todd Rundgren last year), I also think that them being the only Classic Rock band as well as the only Hard Rock/Heavy Metal band on the ballot this year helps them a lot, I think that they will finally get over the hump and get in this time around.

So, Here's my new prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 21:20pm


richie

I feel they're very much in that #7 spot, which given class size feels possible. That aside, could they get that Early Influence spot people seem to think will go to MC5 or New York Dolls? They're one of the early metal acts that also pretty much defined the fashion and aesthetics of the genre. Given everything should they miss the ballot could you see the hall giving them Early Influence.

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 22:00pm


Mat R,

No, I don't believe that Judas Priest will be inducted as an Early Influence, I think that they will go in as Performers, as well as they should.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/26/2022 @ 22:17pm


Richie

I hear you and largely agree however....as we know Rob Halford has been battling cancer on and off since like 2017, Glenn Tipton has been battling Parkinson's since 2008, Dave Holland died in 2018, and Ian Hill has gone on record saying he believes this is it. I feel their a band that wants in a the window is closing, and given that Dave Grohl and Tom Morello are massive Priest fans I'm curious if they'd maybe make a play to have it happen now, to make Halford happy and give the Hall another living gay icon inductee, if the ballot didn't work out cause there seems to be a strong desire to have them in there and it's just not working out.

Honestly if this ballot misses for them I have a hard time seeing them getting in unless there's no other rock bands on the ballot.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 00:36am


Also just saw the new Dischord box-set includes a fair bit of unreleased Ian MacKaye recordings. Honestly with Morello and Grohl involved in the Hall and Weezer, Blink-182 and probably My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy going in in the next decade, I wouldn't be shocked to see MacKaye get Musical Excellence at some point soon.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 00:42am


The recent news that Gary Brooker, co-founder, vocalist and co-songwriter for Procol Harum had passed away had certainly surprised and saddened me. Procol Harum has only been on the ballot once prior for the (2013) induction class and during that particular year they had been facing the prog rock juggernaut: Rush. Nonetheless, I had voted for: Randy Newman, the late great Donna Summer, Heart, Rush and Procol Harum that year. In the following year, Peter Gabriel as a solo artist had been inducted. Unfortunately, no major prog bands had been inducted in 2015. In 2016, Chicago and Deep Purple had joined. In 2017, Yes had finally been Inducted after 3 nominations and their inductors had been Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush. Of course, they were not alone because E.L.O. had also been inducted in 2017. In 2028, The Moody Blues had finally joined Rush and Yes. Now, the "holy trinity" of prog had been inducted. In 2019, The Zombies, Radiohead and Roxy Music had joined them. In 2020, only prog adjacent Depeche Mode had been inducted and in 2021, no major prog artists had been inducted either. Then in 2022 Duran Duran had finally received a nomination, since coming out as a"prog" band in 2015, the nomination and induction of Duran Duran has been one of my major focuses. With this in mind, and with the previous "prog" train back on it's proverbial track, I would like to suggest that my fellow prog aficionados vote for the following artists:

Duran Duran
Kate Bush
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
Eurythmics

Thank you,

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 01:28am


wrote:
The recent news that Gary Brooker, co-founder, vocalist and co-songwriter for Procol Harum had passed away had certainly surprised and saddened me. Procol Harum has only been on the ballot once prior for the (2013) induction class and during that particular year they had been facing the prog rock juggernaut: Rush. Nonetheless, I had voted for: Randy Newman, the late great Donna Summer, Heart, Rush and Procol Harum that year. In the following year, Peter Gabriel as a solo artist had been inducted. Unfortunately, no major prog bands had been inducted in 2015. In 2016, Chicago and Deep Purple had joined. In 2017, Yes had finally been Inducted after 3 nominations and their inductors had been Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush. Of course, they were not alone because E.L.O. had also been inducted in 2017. In 2018, The Moody Blues had finally joined Rush and Yes. Now, the "holy trinity" of prog had been inducted. In 2019, The Zombies, Radiohead and Roxy Music had joined them. In 2020, only prog adjacent Depeche Mode had been inducted and in 2021, no major prog artists had been inducted either, although one may argue that Todd Rundgren had been "prog adjacent." Then in 2022 Duran Duran had finally received a nomination, since coming out as a"prog" band in 2015, the nomination and induction of Duran Duran has been one of my major focuses. With this in mind, and with the previous "prog" train back on it's proverbial track, I would like to suggest to my fellow prog aficionados that they vote for the following artists:

Duran Duran
Kate Bush
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
Eurythmics

Also, for those who like great singer-songwriters, great choices would also include: Lionel Richie, Pat Benatar and Beck, in addition to the aforementioned list.

Thank you,

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 01:36am


Navigating through the 2022 Rock Hall Nominee's list as a fellow prog aficionado:

The recent news that Gary Brooker, co-founder, vocalist and co-songwriter for Procol Harum had passed away had certainly surprised and saddened me. Procol Harum has only been on the ballot once prior for the (2013) induction class and during that particular year they had been facing the prog rock juggernaut: Rush. Nonetheless, I had voted for: Randy Newman, the late great Donna Summer, Heart, Rush and Procol Harum that year. In the following year, Peter Gabriel as a solo artist had been inducted. Unfortunately, no major prog bands had been inducted in 2015. In 2016, Chicago and Deep Purple had joined. In 2017, Yes had finally been Inducted after 3 nominations and their inductors had been Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush. Of course, they were not alone because E.L.O. had also been inducted in 2017. In 2028, The Moody Blues had finally joined Rush and Yes. Now, the "holy trinity" of prog had been inducted. In 2019, The Zombies, Radiohead and Roxy Music had joined them. In 2020, only prog adjacent Depeche Mode had been inducted and in 2021, no major prog artists had been inducted either. Then in 2022 Duran Duran had finally received a nomination, since coming out as a"prog" band in 2015, the nomination and induction of Duran Duran has been one of my major focuses. With this in mind, and with the previous "prog" train back on it's proverbial track, I would like to suggest that my fellow prog aficionados vote for the following artists:

Duran Duran
Kate Bush
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
Eurythmics

Also, for those those of you who like great singer/songwriters, I would also consider these great artists: Lionel Richie, Pat Benatar, Dolly Parton and Beck.

Thank you,

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 01:45am


My fellow progressive rock aficionados:

Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet) (early influence)?
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon and Eurythmics will receive my vote each and every single time. My fourth and fifth choices will now go to either Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is and the random configuration of the Nominee choices).

Incidentally, the Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also induct the late Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational and cross genre appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Do I like Eminem? Absolutely not! I have encouraged my fellow music aficionados to vote for any of the aforementioned artists, but definitely not for Eminem.

Bill G.,

It is good to see that you have returned; I have really missed your input for the past few years!

On a sad note, I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of the late great Gary Brooker. He was a hugely influential artist and he will surely be missed.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 04:21am


Bill G.,
Welcome back. Bill G. I remember you as specializing in Good Older R&B around here. I agree that many nice old R&B acts have been SNUBBED and ignored for several years. The Delfonics, Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes, The Intruders are just 3 great examples of snubs. That's a good question about Why have Motown's Marvelettes , with some 26 Pop & R&B chart hits , and TOWERING influence, with songs covered by everyone from The Beatles and The Carpenters, to Jerry Garcia and Blondie, from Patti Smith, The Young Rascals, and Ella Fitzgerald, to Bette Midler and Phil Collins, get SNUBBED TWICE, while others slide right in. I am not an affianado of Classic R&B like you but I know a lot of them. I am diverse. I have noticed Rap acts have glided in with much more ease than Classic R&B in the last several years.
And those who claim that only White, guitar-based Rock acts should get in , are ignoring the incredible influence that Black R&B artists have had on Rock and roll music. I am a Rock fanatic with favs like Neil Young, E Clapton, Allman Brothers Band, Gr Dead and the Who along with hundreds of other rock acts, I love White guitar Rock but I separate myself from those Rock purists with knowledge and love for R&B. I love that the Who, Allman Brothers B, Gr Dead, Pink Floyd and Talking Heads are inducted. But contend that There should be R&b in. The last act we can call R&b inducted was Bill Withers. However, there is hope with induction in 2021 of Billy Preston. Again Welcome Back Bill G.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 07:03am


I don't think my question about the previously considered page that I asked a while ago got answered. Does anyone know where the info for that section came from? Besides the previously nominated artists, and Ice-T I guess, how do we know that some of the artists on the previously considered list were previously considered?

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 09:17am


I don't know exactly but maybe they found a source that shared that information.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 11:50am


Greg F,

What are your predictions for the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6) and Which acts do you have as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year (If we get 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 11:51am


Circling back to the question of who would be the biggest beneficiaries of each nominated artists induction, here are my thoughts:

Eminem - The largest impact of Eminem's induction will be to clear the last of a nearly consecutive string of surefire FYE names out of the way (Tupac->Notorious BIG->Jay-Z->Eminem). With a few years before the next surefire FYE induction in hip hop, the biggest beneficiaries will be the most notable rappers and groups that have been eligible for several years but have been boxed out by the FYEs and LL Cool J taking up ballot space. Outkast is absolutely at the top of this list and I hope for them to be inducted next year, and I would also put Wu-Tang and Tribe high on the list.

Dolly Parton - The big question here is whether Dolly's nomination marks the beginning of a trend of the Hall honoring country as a genre. I'm inclined to say no - Dolly is on here because of her larger than life cultural presence and crossover pop success, not necessarily as a sign that all country artists are now Rock Hall material. I think that there are a few country artists that could benefit - Willie Nelson being the most obvious - but I think the main beneficiaries would be more of the solo women enduring superstars that have been overlooked, Cher and Diana Ross in particular.

Duran Duran - Their induction would put us firmly in the MTV era, and set up a number of their contemporaries for induction. Eurythmics (if they're not also in the class), INXS, and Cyndi Lauper jump out as direct beneficiaries, and their being off the table would probably make it easier for Pat Benatar and Devo to make it in if they are not also inducted this year.

Carly Simon - I wonder if Carly getting inducted would set up pretty well for The Carpenters to make a ballot appearance. There are definitely other singer-songwriter types of the era that are still waiting (Croce, Drake, Nilsson, Prine, etc.), but many of them seem to be getting more and more marginal as a possibility every year, while The Carpenters stick out to me as a group that was extremely successful in the mainstream and have an enduring narrative and critical reconsideration around them. Looking much later, Sheryl Crow could benefit as well.

Pat Benatar - In terms of contemporaries, I think that Cyndi Lauper, The Bangles, and Billy Idol would stand to benefit the most here. Also of course Duran Duran and Eurythmics if they're not also inducted. For artists that followed, Alanis Morrissette would absolutely be considered once Pat is in.

Lionel Richie - I think that Diana Ross would be the largest beneficiary, as it would draw attention to her similar roots as the pop solo career of a legendary frontperson of a seminal R&B group. In the 80s pop world, I think that George Michael would also get a closer look. In a perfect world, there would also be some consideration for Luther Vandross and Teddy Pendergrass, but I don't think we're there yet. I also think the the Commodores, at least in the short term, would not benefit at all since it would be viewed as too soon after Lionel's solo induction if they made the ballot.

Eurythmics - Since they're part of the MTV set, I'll repeat some of the names I've said before - Duran Duran, INXS, Lauper. I also think that Joy Division/New Order would benefit due to Eurythmics and New Order being similar contemporaries.

Dionne Warwick - There's a pretty clear line to be drawn from Dionne Warwick through Patti LaBelle, Roberta Flack, and Anita Baker. Also Chaka Khan would benefit, but as I've said I'm pretty certain she's in as a Musical Excellence inductee this year.

Rage Against the Machine - I think the biggest beneficiaries here are the other bands in the 90s alternative scene that would have ballot space freed up - Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Jane's Addiction, and others.

Beck - Short term, the largest beneficiaries would be the other 90s Alternative acts that have the ballot space. Long term, Beck's induction is what gets us to a lot of post-2000 indie/alternative being considered - The Strokes, LCD Soundsystem, even Fiona Apple.

Judas Priest - Iron Maiden, full stop. Also Motorhead.

Kate Bush - Bjork and Tori Amos seem like the most natural followups here in the art pop world.

Devo - I think that a number of artists would benefit. The B-52's and Joy Division/New Order stand out to me, and once Devo is in I can see Pixies making the ballot.

New York Dolls - Devo, The Replacements, Big Star, and The Smiths would stand to benefit.

Fela Kuti - Difficult to say. He's in a position where he is easily the most iconic and influential Afrobeat artist, but I'm not sure that his induction would lead to many more Afrobeat artists being considered. Honestly, I think the artists that would be considered moving forward from a Fela Kuti induction are artists from the Caribbean who have had an influence on the development of American popular music. There are several significant reggae artists out there, Toots and the Maytals, Peter Tosh, correcting the omission of The Wailers from Bob Marley's induction. I'll also throw out a nod for Harry Belafonte as an Early Influence inductee.

MC5 - If they got inducted through the vote, it would prove that there is still support for early and influential classic rock acts to do well. I doubt that they would put many more 60s classic rock acts on the ballot, though The Guess Who and Tommy James and the Shondells are two that stick out to me. I think that in the unlikely event that MC5 get in (or more likely, they wind up getting in as an early influence) a lot of the attention that they have received as a long time snub in the hard rock category would probably move to Thin Lizzy.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 11:58am


oh shit how did I forget Tribe.

A Tribe Called Quest - Outkast for sure, Wu-Tang, De La Soul, Fugees, Common

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 12:00pm


RG,

Here's who I think would be the biggest beneficiaries of each nominated artists induction this year and I'm doing it in order of their chances of getting in this year:

Eminem: OutKast, Wu-Tang Clan
Dolly Parton: Willie Nelson, Cher, Diana Ross
Duran Duran: INXS, Cyndi Lauper
Pat Benatar: Cyndi Lauper, The Bangles, Billy Idol, Alanis Morissette
Carly Simon: The Carpenters, Sheryl Crow
Eurythmics: INXS, Cyndi Lauper, Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest: Iron Maiden, Motorhead
Dionne Warwick: Patti LaBelle, Roberta Flack
Beck: Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Jane's Addiction, The Strokes, LCD Soundsystem, Fiona Apple
Rage Against The Machine: Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Jane's Addiction
Kate Bush: Bjork, Tori Amos
New York Dolls: The Replacements, Big Star, The Smiths
Devo: The B-52's, Joy Division/New Order, Pixies
A Tribe Called Quest: OutKast, Wu-Tang Clan, De La Soul, The Fugees
Lionel Richie: Diana Ross, George Michael
MC5: The Guess Who, Tommy James & The Shondells, Thin Lizzy
Fela Kuti: Toots & The Maytals, Peter Tosh

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 14:44pm


With Eminem probably guaranteed, do you think that 50 Cent becomes an option in a few years? I see him as a flash in the pan as he disappeared a few years later, much like the spice Girls. However, the hall may have other ideas.

Also, Richie, I didn't mean anything derogatory. Just pointing out we've heard about Lionel Richie 10x more than any other nominee in this class. Not a bad thing as it shows he's a controversial choice, mainly as to whether the Commodores should've gone in first, but it seems most of the time, it's you responding or being replied to about the same point. We have a couple months until it happens or doesn't, and there are 16 other acts and a myriad of offshoot topics to discuss. I appreciate your passion, though

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 16:20pm


50 Cent will never be in the hall of fame. His influence isn't big enough and he was a flash in the pan like the Spice Girls, Limp Bizkit and N'Sync.
If we're talking 2000's rap, Kanye West is an absolute lock at this point.

Posted by Henry on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 17:24pm


Women in Rock need to be put in the Hall. Britney has zero chance of ever being inducted.
If someone like Pat has been kept out for so long obviously people like Britney, Katy and
Taylor getting in would make people lose their siht.
P!nk will get in though.
I am voting all female on my ballot.
Benatar, Simon, Bush, Warwick and Parton.
I would like to see only females put in for 2022.

Posted by WomenInRock on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 17:42pm


I just had an idea that might be confusing and dumb but I would still like to get it out there: What if we made our own sort-of community inductee class. The way I see it working is that all of us compile 7 of what each of us think the most important snubs are. Which ever artist gets picked the most becomes part of this community class, which would consist of 7 artists. Then, when one of the artists in this class becomes inducted into a actual class, we take the artist off the list. Like I said this may sound confusing but I feel like its a decent idea. Thoughts?

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 18:49pm


Britney not getting in? Lmao. The sentiment about women is in the right area, but his whole narrative needs to be inclusive, not exclusive

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 20:14pm


Henry

........50 cent's influence is massive. The rapper singing thing that kanye, drake, tyler do is largely credited to him (yes others did it prior andre 3000 and ll) but he's the guy often credited as making it legit in rap circles and having it not be seen as emasculating (ll and andre were both criticized for it as weak and selling out). He's also cited as a key figure it's hip hops transition towards more dance club friendly sounds.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 20:50pm


While i do agree that more female artists deserve to be inducted there's absolutely no way that we're going to be seeing only them for this year. It needs to be all inclusive as K - Dawg said.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 20:53pm


^ If we're being real, Nelly did all of that before Fiddy Cent. He did the rap-sing thing before him, and he was the one who brought rap into the club era 3 years before 50 did. He also had a longer career.

Posted by Henry on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 20:55pm


^ If we're being real, Nelly did all of that before Fiddy Cent. He did the rap-sing thing before him, and he was the one who brought rap into the club era 3 years before 50 did. He also had a longer career.

Posted by Henry on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 20:55pm


Nelly has a Diamond album. The Hall likes people with Diamond certifications. (Every class since 2014 has at least one artist with a diamond album. 2017 had 3 artists and 5 Diamond albums!)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 21:21pm


Henry

Nelly didn't have the cred as a result. He was seen as a pop star who rapped and it largely still haunts his legacy (this is well documented and it's generally agreed Nelly is wrongfully overlooked because of him being more pop than rap). Also 50 Cent's underground hits like "Rowdy Rowdy" and "How to Rob," his appearance on "React" and his battle performances drew him a ton of attention due to his then odd style of rap singing (which he partly developed with Jam Master Jay) several years before Nelly released anything outside of the St. Lunatics's single "Gimme What U Got," which didn't have the impact "How to Rob" did.

50 also has had a very long career. He's been making guest spots since 1998 and despite largely stepping away from music is still an in demand guest for songs (he's also still drops G-Unit mixtapes). Nelly on the other hand debuted (solo) in 2000 and while he recently dropped an album he doesn't do guest spots. Both have enjoyed quite long careers so I'm kind of confused by that career length comment.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 21:24pm


Follower

Diamond records seem to depend on who you are. Sure Whitney, Janet, Carol and Journey have Diamond albums but does Celine, Creed, and Hootie and the Blowfish. It's something I think impresses but I wouldn't call it vital.

WomenInRock

What a weird comment. Madonna, Janet, and Whitney are in the Hall and it didn't get destroyed. Britney and Taylor are key artists to the history of popular music, with Britney being the first real 21st century idol and now a civil rights figure and Taylor being seen as the 21st century successor to Bruce Springsteen, both are basically locks. The Hall can and should induct them and Beyonce, Mary J, Mariah, Gaga, and Adele as much as they Liz, PJ, Alanis, the Kims, Suzi, Siouxsie, Kathleen, and Courtney (think Grohl will ever let Courtney in?) ect.

Also I agree Katy shouldn't go in and probably won't. Sure she had 5 number ones on 1 album but only one song has had staying power and she was never able to present herself as an artist first rather than a character and that can be a hard position to enter the Hall from.

Pink on the other hand should go in.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 02/27/2022 @ 21:43pm


Here's my rank on the nominees (in order of likelihood of their chances of getting in this year):

1. Eminem
2. Dolly Parton
3. Duran Duran
4. Pat Benatar
5. Carly Simon
6. Eurythmics
7. Judas Priest
8. Dionne Warwick
9. Beck
10. Rage Against The Machine
11. Kate Bush
12. New York Dolls
13. Devo
14. A Tribe Called Quest
15. Lionel Richie
16. MC5
17. Fela Kuti

I see 10 artists having a real shot of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 00:48am


Richie

I know people like her for induction but I have a weird vibe about Carly Simon. I feel like she's oddly the #6 act among the female nominees overall, even Kate Bush, while didn't have the American success Carly did, I feel is more influential, acclaimed and relevant. Carly isn't the biggest star or the most acclaimed or the cultural icon, what people are banking on for her is voters knowing her and a lot of people know Beck and Annie and Dave and Lionel. With that I don't know if I see her as a top 5 contender cause all those guys are the highly acclaimed or mega selling or uber influential people while Carly's in a weird grey zone. I do get putting her so high because of her era and her name and her connections but I dunno. Def a we'll see.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 01:06am


Mat R,

I have to respectfully disagree with you about Carly Simon, I think that she is a name that older voters (aka Baby Boomers) will flock to, She is this year's Carole King/Todd Rundgren, 70's Singer-Songwriters always have an easy time when they're on the ballot, so I definitely think that she stands a very good chance of getting in this year, as well as she should.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 01:14am


I expect Carly Simon to get inducted for one major reason. The Hall put Carole King in last year, and Joan Baez recently as well. If Carly goes in, it completes the female singer/songwriters quite nicely. I think she gets in.

On the Pat Benatar front, that is gonna be a difficult one to call. She would satisfy the rock purists for a nom, but there's so much other artsy talent on this list that the members might go for. Her major competition is RATM and Judas Priest. I don't know if they'll cancel each other out or not.It's definitely gonna be a close race.

I will admit, Eurythmics and Duran Duran could face the same problems, but there are years when groups go in tandem as well with similar styles, and I think this is one of those times.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 03:33am


mat r.,

I also have to respectfully disagree with you about Carly Simon, I think that she is a name that the Baby Boomers know. a lot of the Voters are baby boomers. I am just about a Baby Boomer myself. I was born Jan 1965. I am NOT sure what I am BUT I sure know the name Carly Simon. I am NOT a big fan but it's my Fiancee's favorite music artist of all time. She likes many many songs by Carly. Since the Hall inducted Carole King. Carly makes sense as the next in line for female singer/songwriters. Its tradition to have a mellow singer/songwriters to counteract the loud rock and Rap acts that have come. 2014 is a great example of this. Just look up 2014. The Louder Rock acts were Kiss and Nirvana at same time. Look up the mellow inductions and you'll know what I mean

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 04:53am


I agree that Britney Spears will never get in or will get in after she has passed. Both Katy Perry and Taylor Swift have better cases for Hall, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 07:28am


I'm assuming my Community Class idea is a bit confusing for everyone?

Posted by Raichu on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 07:41am


Ben/K-Dawg/richie

Yea I see why you'd disagree but again the rational is one is one where I don't know if it's a gimme. She's has the name and era appeal but with Dionne there and Annie and Lionel and Beck (who is pretty well liked singer-song writer by the older generation) I don't know if she's this lock unless the Hall does what richie is predicting and no one else is and inducts a majority women class.

Paul in KY

How does Katy Perry have a better shot Britney? Like legit asking. Katy Kat movement was pretty much shown to not be a thing and other than Teenage Dream (which is a deeply influential song I admit) she doesn't atm have the lasting impact while we just lived through #FreeBritney, there's a genre of music populated by acts like Charli XCX and Rina Sawayama which is pretty openly built around Britney's sound, and have everyone from Rihanna to Lady Gaga to Madonna call Britney one of the most if not the most important artist of the 21st Century so far.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 07:58am


Mat R,

Actually, I've changed my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year once again, So, without further adieu, Here's my official prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

With Dionne Warwick, Beck and Rage Against The Machine also having a real shot to get in this year as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 08:59am


End of the month predictions:

Eminem (duh)
Judas Priest (Previous Top 5 Vote getter and consistently gets higher chances in their nominations; Helps they are the only super macho classic rock act, not there is anything wrong with that)
Rage Against The Machine (Good feeling that I will totally bank on)
Duran Duran (May vote split with other New Wave acts, but prevails in popularity)
Dolly Parton (duh)
Carly Simon (See K-Dawg's comment)
Beck (Seems to have a open field; the fact he actually responded to his nomination is shocking to say the least)


-Warwick and Richie will suffer on critics and more interesting acts
-Benatar's lack of enthusiasm on her nomination (Last person not including Bush [total shut-in] and Eminem [got better priorities to go do] to respond to her nomination), questionable credentials (Jordan Einstein has a point), and being a heavy non-critical darling does not help (she is dead last out of the nominees on Acclaimed Music) will probably damage her
-Eurthymics will come back next year for induction
-The Rest are lost causes

Thoughts?

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 10:26am


Plebeian,

Your thoughts are on point, here's my own.

Ones who might get inducted:

Eminem - an only guarantee & lock.

Duran Duran - Yeah the voting would split the overall voting for new wave acts but they have most chances because they still have hype.

Judas Priest - Unless the Hall would finally let in more metal acts then Priest would be coming in shortly.

RATM - An only 90's band on the ballot this year so they have a clear shot.

Dolly Parton - Same reason as Judas Priest but for Country.

Pat Benatar - Fans won't shut up about her snub so let her in i guess.

Others who might not get inducted:

Devo - Kraftwerk got inducted under one of the special categories after six nominations in the performer category so it might happen for Devo in the next few years.

MC5 - See Devo but possibly for this year.

Eurythmics - Duran Duran will have the most votes by May so the duo would be back for nominations next year.

The rest i'll come back on that later.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 11:29am


One more prediction:

Beck: Acts that are popular in the U.K., not so much in the U.S., usually don't do well. Too many will confuse with Jeff Beck (who is already in). Probably not.

Pat Benatar: Between being a still-very popular act and the emphasis on females in the R&RHoF, likely to get in, though her insistence on including Neil Giraldo is probably hurting her.

Kate Bush: Same story as with Beck. Too many haven't heard of her.

Devo: Seen by too many as a one-hit wonder, even though it's untrue. Not likely.

Duran Duran: Likely to win the fan vote, likely as a popular 1980s group to get in.

Eminem: Welcome to Cleveland.

Eurythmics: Maybe, might ride on Duran Duran's 1980s coattails (especially for those eager to induct more women), may be crowded out as one more 1980s act by Duran Duran.

Judas Priest: Possibly better than a 50-50 chance, if enough metal acts already inducted (Deep Purple, Metallica, Black Sabbath) are tired of their peers being passed over year after year.

Fela Kuti: Quite possibly--this year, even--as a "Musical Excellence" or an "Early Influence" (the latter of which, if Kraftwerk qualifies, is probably where he belongs). Not at all likely as a performer.

MC5: Probably not. Too few remember them in their heyday (or even know who they are/were). Like Fela Kuti, if anything may get in as a "musical excellence" or "early influence."

New York Dolls: Unless a lot of those who want more female acts get seriously confused (or seriously ignorant), not likely.

Dolly Parton: Better than 50-50, with the renewed emphasis on female acts, though Willie Nelson would have made more sense.

Rage Against The Machine: Possibly better than 50-50--if only because those who have previously inducted others (as Tom Morello has) somehow snag a future induction for themselves. So a definite maybe, if not this year.

Lionel Richie: Probably not, though the Commodores may make it in a future class.

Carly Simon: Pretty decent chances, again with the renewed emphasis on female acts and singer-songwriters. (Will she be inducted by James Taylor?)

A Tribe Called Quest: Not likely, between a.) too few know who they are, and b.) Eminem and Rage already being on the ballot.

Dionne Warwick: Not likely in a class already having female acts represented, she's likely to be crowded out by Dolly Parton and Carly Simon--both of whom wrote their own songs.

So my SWAG (Scientific, Wild-@$$ed-Guess): Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Dolly Parton, Carly Simon. If six, add the Eurythmics; if seven, add Judas Priest or Dionne Warwick.

Posted by Joe S. on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 12:15pm


...and now I see that my final predictions pretty much duplicated Richie's. Sorry about that, I didn't look at all the prior ones before. This was a coincidence.

Posted by Joe S. on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 12:22pm


Joe S.,

I see that your predictions are the same as mine, I love that! It's pretty cool to have people have the same predictions as me, It's awesome to see, I absolutely love your predictions for the 2022 inductees, I like it and I love it!

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 12:39pm


My prediction (5 men class):
Eminem
Duran Duran (Biggest new wave act)
Dolly Parton (One of the most famous and influential female songwriter)
RATM (Tom is in nomination comitte, they may in this year like Foo Fighters)
Kate Bush (This year's Todd Rundgren, influential, not so popular but be recognized by peers, have one 500 album of rolling Stone magazine, which is related to the hall)

Posted by ChasingWildcat on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 12:39pm


ChasingWildCat,

No way that they only induct 5 this year, I think that they will do either 6 or 7 inductees this year, as well as they should.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 12:50pm


Joe S

Beck is American and has had several gold, platinum, and multi platinum albums in the united states, several alternative radio #1s, a pop top 10 hit, and won like a dozen Grammys including an album of the year (which he beat Beyonce for). He is almost definitely at this point better known in The US than Jeff Beck.

I stand by that besides maybe kate bush he's the single strongest dark horse nominated

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 13:43pm


I think that 10 acts have a real shot of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

These 10 acts that I mentioned stand the best chance of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 15:50pm


Jordan,

I think there's actually a huge difference between Judas Priest and Dolly Parton's situations. Both are in tangential genres to what the Hall normally covers, and both are very deserving, but the major difference is that you generally have to be a metal fan to get why Judas Priest are important, while you can not actively listen to any country music at all and get why Dolly Parton is important. She and her most well known songs are just a lot more in the broader cultural consciousness than anything Judas Priest has done.

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 17:47pm


Here's this year's nominees in order of critical acclaim from most to least according to https:/www.acclaimedmusic.net and they are:

1. Beck (at #46)
2. Kate Bush (at #91)
3. Eminem (at #104)
4. A Tribe Called Quest (at #116)
5. Rage Against The Machine (at #239)
6. MC5 (at #292)
7. New York Dolls (at #311)
8. Eurythmics (at #344)
9. Devo (at #356)
10. Duran Duran (at #357)
11. Dolly Parton (at #425)
12. Fela Kuti (at #498)
13. Dionne Warwick (at #537)
14. Judas Priest (at #685)
15. Carly Simon (at #1041)
16. Lionel Richie (at #1091)
17. Pat Benatar (at #1502)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 20:20pm


Mat r:

Thank you for the correction. Beck is indeed an American (an accomplished one at that), and I don't think I need to point that out to anyone. I do stand by my appraisal of his odds of getting the nomination as pretty slim. Not that many have heard of him. Still, the very ones that perhaps do know of him--music industry experts--are the very people that vote for the inductees. So I could very well be wrong about that as well. Again, thank you for setting me straight.

Posted by Joe S. on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 22:49pm


Given whats going on in Ukraine, I feel stupid even commenting. After reading every single one of these comments I still wanted to state a few things.
Many people do not seem to understand that the voters in the Hall are not just fans. They are in the industry, either as an artist themselves, or a critic or something else. That means that acts like Britney Spears are not the type of acts they will include. A body of more than 1,000 artists, industry members and historians decide which nominees will be inducted into the Rock Hall. To be voted in the artists "have created music whose originality, impact and influence has changed the course of rock & roll."
There are bands still from the 60's, 70's, 80's, are still not in the Rock Hall. Bands like the Monkees, Carpenters. If Britney is voted in the Hall would be laughed at. Dont be mad at me. Britney can not sing. She didnt produce these hits. Didnt write them. NOTHING. If she gets in it will be after being nominated many times.

Richie has the idea by listing nominees by critical acclaim because those are the most likely inductees.
The reason why Benatar hasn't gotten in thus far isn't because she didnt sell records - she did. Its that she is not seen as original or influential by the industry.

The Hall members know that fans are upset and will likely push her in this year. She actually has a powerful operatic voice - Britney doesnt have that. Eminem has everything going for him respect and sales. DMB didnt get in and they finished first. Yet all the people voting thought they would get in but didnt. They havent been nominated since. If you are going to all guess who is getting in you should not do it only by popular vote. Rock critics do not care about popular vote.I do think that they will reward a few acts who have been nominated a few times too.
These 7 are most likely to get in based on several different factors
Eminem. He has everything going for him. Huge sales Huge critical acclaim.
Dolly Parton. She is beloved around the world. Is the queen of country music and has had pop crossovers.
Pat Benatar. She has paid her dues. The fans really want her in. She actually can sing. Unlike the modern crop of females.
Rage Against the Machine. Rock act with a conscience. Very popular with critics. Very respected.
Duran Duran. New Wave acts are finally getting love. Very popular with fans.
Kate Bush. New Wave act hugely respected. 3rd nomination. Time to slide her in.
A Tribe Called Quest. Fore bearer of whats popular today. Would be a shame to put in Eminem without a group like this.

I was using Britney as an example. there are many acts in the same category that will never get in. Just like Paula Abdul. If you think she should be in you have a long wait too. I can name many people in that category.

Posted by Basics on Monday, 02/28/2022 @ 22:54pm


Navigating through the 2022 Rock Hall Nominee's list as a fellow prog aficionado:

The recent news that Gary Brooker, co-founder, vocalist and co-songwriter for Procol Harum had passed away had certainly surprised and saddened me. Procol Harum has only been on the ballot once prior for the (2013) induction class and during that particular year they had been facing the prog rock juggernaut: Rush. Nonetheless, I had voted for: Randy Newman, the late great Donna Summer, Heart, Rush and Procol Harum during that year. In the following year, Peter Gabriel as a solo artist had been inducted. Unfortunately, no major prog bands had been inducted in 2015. In 2016, Chicago and Deep Purple had joined the Rock Hall. In 2017, Yes had finally been Inducted after 3 nominations and their inductors had been Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush. Of course, they were not alone because E.L.O. had also been inducted in 2017. In 2018, The Moody Blues had finally joined Rush and Yes. Now, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) had finally been inducted. In 2019, The Zombies, Radiohead and Roxy Music had joined them. In 2020, only prog adjacent Depeche Mode and Doobie Brothers had been inducted and in 2021, no major prog artists had been inducted as a performer either, unless you wish to count Todd Rundgren. Then in 2022 Duran Duran had finally received a nomination, since coming out as a"prog" band in 2015, the nomination and induction of Duran Duran has been one of my major focuses. With this in mind, and with the previous "prog" train finally back on it's proverbial track, I would like to suggest that my fellow prog aficionados vote for the following artists:

Duran Duran
Kate Bush
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
Eurythmics

Also, for those those of you who like great singer/songwriters, I would also consider these great artists: Lionel Richie, Pat Benatar, Dolly Parton and Beck.

By the way, you can vote once per day for your favorite choices on the Rock Hall's website.

Thank you,

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 02:45am


My fellow progressive rock aficionados:

Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet) but may be inducted perhaps as an early influence?
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon and Eurythmics will receive my vote each and every single time. My fourth and fifth choices will now go to either Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is and the random configuration of the Nominee choices).

Incidentally, the Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also induct the late Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational and cross genre appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Do I like Eminem? Absolutely not! I have encouraged my fellow music aficionados to vote for any of the aforementioned artists, but definitely not for Eminem.

Bill G.,

It is good to see that you have returned; I have really missed your input for the past few years!

On a sad note, I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of the late great Gary Brooker. He was a hugely influential artist, great vocalist and songwriter and he will surely be missed.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 02:54am


Something I just thought of, do you guys think Beck's chances could be lowered a bit due to the fact Beck used to be a scientologist?

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 06:22am


mat r, just feel Ms. Perry has a much better song catalog than Ms. Spears. Also more career longevity (so far), IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 06:44am


Hey Paul in KY

Yea she doesn't she had that album but one song (Teenage Dream - again massively influential) is actually still played and a lot of the rest of it has kind of been lost to time (on radio and playlists). Also Britney has way more classic songs, we talk about the Rolling Stone 500 and Toxic and Hit Me Baby One More Time - a song often called the greatest debut single in music history - are both on the 500 songs in lofty spots and Blackout (which neither song is on that also spawned modern dance production and the genre known as hyperpop) is on the 500 albums list while no Katy Perry is. After Britney's 1999 to 2009 run, she went (seemingly by force) and revitalized Vegas, brought the youth in, and Katy Perry is there now after two massive flop albums.

Britney's legacy is massive and there's very few artists who rival it to be fully honest. I'm not a Britney fan, just a nerd, and I really don't get why people want to dismiss that because she's pretty legit in a similar if not the same space Michael and Madonna are when it comes to pop.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 08:16am


Basics

Duder did you actually try to compare someone with multiple songs on the RS Top 500 songs and an album on the RS Top 500 Albums to Paula Abdul?

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 08:43am


Britney talk reminds me

Max Martin as a Non-Perfomer. 2022 is the 25th anniversary of his first US hits. He's probably one of the top 5 pop hit makers ever and i credibly influential.


Think they'd pull the trigger on him now or would they wait?

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 12:19pm


It is my opinion that Britney probably is going to be in the RRHOF one day. If she doesn't get the nom right away, it won't be long after she becomes eligible. I will admit, Mariah Carey came on the scene much like Britney did a decade earlier, and is still waiting for her nom. She might need to go in first.

On the "ridiculousness" of Paula Abdul getting a nomination, it's really not that far-fetched. And I'd be willing to bet there's a sizable chunk of the populace that might consider her worthy. She is just a step below Whitney and Janet in her transformation of the popular music charts from rock dominated to a more pop sound. I put her on par with Debbie Gibson and Tiffany, unlikely to be seriously considered for now, but far from the worst choice for nomination.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 13:52pm


K-dawg

Agree. Britney will likely be made to wait but it's gonna be a wait that the hall regrets more than any other publicly. It won't a loud fanbase annoyed it'll probably be a sizable amount of music media and musicians, like lady gaga and rihanna, being annoyed with the hall as well. It'll be radiohead times 75.

I actually could see a britney delay forcing changes to voting and probably guys the nomcom especially if like justin Timberlake gets in before her.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 15:22pm


I see 10 acts having a real shot of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

I think these 10 acts that I mentioned stand the best chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 19:32pm


The Hall of Fame was never set up to include everyone. Certain artists will not be ever in the Hall. There are some people who will likely never get in. The Hall really likes artists who can do it all. Those who can write their own music, sing their own music and perform even producing it is a bonus. Artists who are seen as studio creations stand less of a chance. Remember, the people voting are involved in the industry as either critics, performers, etc. Like I mentioned, and you can look it up yourself, they are looking to induct originality.
Many artists today do not even sing live, they use backing vocals and even in the studio they use computer programs to made certain singers voices stronger. Certainly singers whose voices are manipulated just so they can sing in tune will not be voted in by the current voting body.
Thats why Britney, Katy, Samantha Fox, Miley will have an uphill struggle.
Thats why so many of you guys defending people like Britney and others getting in are not in the Hall of Fame voting body! Thats why over 2.5 million regular citizens of the world voted, and are only given ONE ballot. Thats right the entire 2.5 million people who voted are given a single ballot to be added to the other 1,000 people in the Hall to then see who gets selected.
Its not supposed to be about fans voting, just like with the Academy Awards, its people in the field and also in the Tony's its only those who work in some capacity in Broadway.
Hope you understand the difference now.

Posted by Basics on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 19:42pm


Basics

Michael Jackson, Sex Pistols, Ricky Nelsen are all in and are as manufactured as Britney (it's pretty well documented that her origins are similar to Michael Jackson) and a lot of your criticisms were thrown at like Madonna and U2.

You mention Katy and yea she's probably not but you actually seem very ignorant Britney's and now Miley's legacies too which is weird. Again Britney is quite critically acclaimed, sold millions upon millions of records, and is EXTREMELY influential on music.

Lady Gaga said the following "People love to make fun of Britney, and why not, but if 'Telephone' proves anything, it's that Blackout may be the most influential pop album of the past five years."

Blackout is also on RS Top 500 Albums and in the Rock Hall's recording library. It inspired an entire genre called hyperpop which is now scene as the bleeding edge of avant grade pop music. Baby One More Time was named the greatest debut in music history by Rolling Stone while Toxic was ranked the 82nd greatest song ever by Rolling Stone while Pitchfork and NME each picked it as one of the best songs of the 2000s.

That's not even going into her impact on music videos or her impact on live performances.

Your own argument is against you.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 20:50pm


Jackson wrote his songs! He's has the biggest albums of all time. You are honestly arguing with me over Britney. You literally think she is respected. If Toxic is number 82, I can guarantee that she didn't write the song, nor produce it. They used computer programs on her voice.
She can not sing! She is not respected musically.
You are living in your own world. I see your constantly argue with people.
You are making a bigger fool of yourself.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/1/2022 @ 23:01pm


Paula Abdul will never be in the Hall, IMO. Not even after she's dead.

Brittany has a much better case than her and I don't think she'll ever be in.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 03/2/2022 @ 06:29am


What Paul in KY said

Though this talk will be relevant later when we get to 2024

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 03/2/2022 @ 06:51am


Who i assume is basics

Jackson wrote his songs by committee with the input of focus groups and would deny those involved credit, quincy jones has said as much very publicly. And yea he has the best selling album ever but only one person can have that and everyone including britney just has to settle for having a diamond album.

While she didn't write toxic she was the executive producer on it and wrote on much of the album and also on blackout. Beyond that it doesn't matter cause again loads of people in the hall didn't write or produce their own stuff. When it comes to pop it's pretty clear being a performer matters a lot.

She's not respected musically is just a flat out lie. She's quite literally regarded as one of the greatest showmen in modern music, jennifer lopez famous said she'd see britney over anyone else in vegas because she know she'd get a top tier show.

Madonna, mick jagger, bono, elton have all expressed fondness for britney's music and a younger generation of gaga, drake, the weeknd, and lorde have all gone on record as being influenced by her.

There's also the narrative with Britney which paints her as the ultimate living victim and survivor of the industry. You don't think people are sympathetic to her? You don't think that would propel votes.

Like I've said she'll get in but will be made to wait and it'll be a pain in everyone's butt when people like beyonce and Taylor swift start talking about the hall's blind spot for women and mention her as a prime example.

You actually have no arguments beyond "she can't sing" and attempt to goalpost move endlessly. so bye

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/2/2022 @ 08:23am


I see 10 acts having a real shot of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

These 10 acts that I mentioned stand the best chance of getting in this year.

Thoughts?

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/2/2022 @ 10:36am


richie,
You have the best comment today. I am not into the hoopla of other Comments Today. I do agree with those 10 stand the best chance of getting. In this year. Someone like Fela Kuti has no chance really. He is talented but is Mostly unknown in the US. Bravo to your 10 acts

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/2/2022 @ 17:38pm


Ben,

Thank you so much for the compliment, It sure means a lot to me, Thank you so much for answering my question, It means the world to me.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/2/2022 @ 18:17pm


My favourite female artists is Tracy Chapman. Since 2014 she has been eligible, the same year as Paula Abdul, lol. There are people honestly making a case for Britney & Paula :-0. Please stop the world I want to get off. Kate Bush deserves a spot since 2004 along with Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, Squeeze. 2003 for Bjork with Motorhead, 2001 for Grace 'freaking' Jones!
GRACE JONES IS NOT EVEN IN AND SOME PEOPLE ARE PLEADING FOR PEOPLE WHO WONT BE ALLOWED IN.
People here are honestly pleading a case for Britney Spears! As if JLo's opinion means anything to ROCK HALL members.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. The combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads them to overestimate their own capabilities.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Posted by The Dunning-Kruger Effect on Wednesday, 03/2/2022 @ 19:28pm


"As if JLo's opinion means anything to ROCK HALL members."

I mean the rock hall booked her to induct ll cool j so clearly people involved with the hall value her. Also gaga, the weeknd, drake, frank ocean, swift, robyn, beyonce, rihanna, pink, shakira, timberlake, basically every major pop act you're gonna have eligible from 2027~ to 2040 is gonna be heavily connected and or influenced by britney spears. We've already reached the 21st century with Eminem nominated and if you think the hall is going to ignore britney and 21st century pop music you got another thing coming.

This is the reality. The hall is open to pop. It always has been. And 2000s are the era of pop domination. For the hall to ignore one of the biggest players of the era would delegitimize the hall's mission which is to celebrate the music of youth. We're not talking about snubbing Tiffany like figure here, we're talking about snubbing a Madonna.

Also yes most of who you mentioned should also go in.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/2/2022 @ 20:32pm


matt r,
the HOF is supposed to be special. its not supposed to be open to everyone. if its open to everyone then its not special.
i have no problems with pop being inducted. not at all.
people who can not sing, dont write their stuff, have no business being in there.
If brit brit gets in then debbie gibson/tiffany/lisa lisa cult jam/samantha fox needs to get in.
fans would lose interest if everyone was inducted. it has to only be open to those who are original/and or can sing/ and or write thier own stuff. No one will have respect if people who cant/dont sing live and use auto tune get in. madonna is the exception.
jlo has zero of those qualities.

Posted by NOT EVERYONE is inducted and not everyone should be inducted. on Wednesday, 03/2/2022 @ 22:31pm


NOT EVERYONE is inducted and not everyone should be inducted

yes the hall is not for everyone and should be special. britney, unlike say katy perry, christina aguilera, jessica simpson, kesha, or a number of other mostly forgettable pop acts of the 2000s and 2010s, has achieved special status. she's not the best singer (she's competent) but she's one hell of an entertainer and she oversaw (as the executive producer) the creation of two very important works of popular music: the single "toxic" and more importantly the album blackout.

i'm going to quote something cause i actually think no one here has bothered to do research on britney spears or what blackout is

Rob Sheffield, longtime editor at Rolling Stone: "When she dropped Blackout in 2007, the music industry scoffed, but then proceeded to spend the next few years imitating it to death, to the point where everything on pop radio sounded like Blackout."

Tom Ewing, critic for Pitchfork: "On Blackout – released with minimum promotion in the middle of her shaven-headed, zombie-eyed, walking-tabloid period – Britney gave us the tightest, most inventive dance-pop record of the last 10 years. Everything that's happened in mainstream pop since – such as the routine electronic treatment of vocals, or the turn to European club beats and synths – happened on this album, only in a darker, braver and catchier fashion."

Alim Kheraj, writer at ID: "the result of a hazardous moment in pop culture history that saw a serendipitous and symbiotic relationship between an artist eroding her past and producers forging their future that payed off. It's a result that often sees Blackout being cited as one of the most influential albums of the last decade for the way it suffused hip hop, pop, R&B and EDM."

You've acted as if Britney has no cred yet Britney has cred, more than a lot of inductees to be honest. she's someone who put out two diamond bubblegum pop records and then oversaw the creation of what has been called "revolver blueprint for pop albums" (i'm am not making that up). you want to act like there's not a hall of famer there go ahead but you're very wrong. You already have Billboard and MTV talking about how very soon the hall will need to start talking about Britney (they're expecting what I'm expecting: she gets snubbed at first but it becomes apparent something needs to happen). She's going to become that #1 ranked biggest snub almost asap, even if outkast and wu tang aren't in she'll be #1 on every list, and it's going to become a talking point that an organization that wants to change and champion women is snubbing a woman everyone from Rihanna to Billie Eilish has called a role model or influence and Lady Gaga said "changed the course for women in this industry forever," both Gaga, Eilish, and Rihanna will all likely be in the Hall within 5 or 10 years of becoming eligible because they're special and important and I expect Britney will too because she's special and important too.

You can either accept that yea Britney is probably going to be inducted pretty soon or just dig in and ignore the cultural shift that happened over the last 20 years towards pop music, you know poptimism, that Britney was seen as a key figure in.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 03/3/2022 @ 00:10am


An interesting poll about who the public thinks should be in.

Dolly won with 33% followed by Lionel at 31% with pat, carly and dionne each scoring around 25% approvals each.

Eminem while missing the top 5 had 1 in 3 people between 18 to 25 saying he should go in. Dolly despite having 33% of people saying she should go in only 27% felt she would this year.

Thoughts on this?

https://www.onepoll.us/who-belongs-in-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/3/2022 @ 12:38pm


I see 10 acts having a real shot of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

These 10 acts that I mentioned stand the best chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/3/2022 @ 13:29pm


I figured I would post this again. Once Philip does his I-5 I'll see how correct I am regarding the 2022 inductees.

Biggest Albums Act each year, 2013-2022:
2013: Rush
2014: KISS
2015: Green Day
2016: Chicago
2017: Journey by sales, Joan Baez by charts (as far as we knew at the time)
2018: The Moody Blues
2019: Def Leppard
2020: Whitney Houston by sales, Dave Matthews Band by charts
2021: Jay-Z
2022: Eminem by sales, Unsure (Either him or Dionne Warwick) by charts.

Biggest Singles Act Each Year, 2013-2022:
2013: Donna Summer
2014: Daryl Hall and John Oats
2015: The Spinners
2016, 2017, and 2019: Janet Jackson
2018: Bon Jovi
2020: Whitney Houston
2021: Jay-Z
2022: Eminem by sales, Dionne Warwick by charts.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 03/3/2022 @ 14:25pm


Here's what I'm thinking about the 2022 nominees at this point:

10 acts with a real shot/great chance of getting in this year:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I mentioned stand the best chance of getting in this year.

Acts with an outside chance/slight chance of getting in this year:

A Tribe Called Quest
Kate Bush
Devo
New York Dolls

Little to No Chance of getting in this year:

MC5
Fela Kuti

Most likely won't ever see an induction:

Lionel Richie (solo) (Why is he even here on his own?. I think that his spot on the ballot this year should have been The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own)

Thoughts?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/3/2022 @ 20:01pm


Official ballots are due back on Friday, April 29, the same day that the online fan vote ends.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 00:34am


My fellow progressive rock aficionados:

Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet) but may be inducted perhaps as an early influence?
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon and Eurythmics will receive my vote each and every single time. My fourth and fifth choices will now go to either Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick Beck, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is and the random configuration of the Nominee choices).

Incidentally, the Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also induct the late Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational and cross genre appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Do I like Eminem? Absolutely not! I have encouraged my fellow music aficionados to vote for any of the aforementioned artists, but definitely not for Eminem.

Bill G.,

It is good to see that you have returned; I have really missed your input for the past few years!

On a sad note, I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of the late great Gary Brooker. He was a hugely influential artist, great vocalist and songwriter and he will surely be missed.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 04:03am


richie,
This is interesting you are one of the few not caught up in a discussion of Future Pop Nominees. You have listed the 10 acts with a real shot/great chance of getting in this year. 6 of my predictions are in this 10. I have a 7th but I will Not discuss. So generally speaking you are on it with this 10. I would have Dionne Warwick but I think she will just miss and be in Early I category. She isn't the Oldest the Early I category has had but hey she is Old enough. Her first Top 10 hit was Walk on By in 1964. Also Dolly Parton although super popular I think will miss due to priorities with Rock, Pop and Rap. There is another 2 I have not predicted but have a good shot. The ones I predict in the 10. Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Judas Priest, Rage Against the Machine, Carly Simon. These have incredible great chances of going in. We do agree that MC5 and Fela Kuti have essentially No chance of getting in this year. Respond with more thoughts

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 04:03am


Philip,

I am still very much looking forward to your assessment and analysis of the 2022 Nominees on your "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog."

Thank you.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 04:32am


Hard to believe that MC5 is a nominee and LOS LOBOS have not been inducted!!!!!

Posted by Ron Knell on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 11:54am


I think the acts that have the best chance of getting in this year are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I mentioned all have a real shot of getting in this year.

Thoughts?

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 13:58pm


Which call nominees do you see missing this year and being nominated next year?

I'm thinking eurythmics, beck, and carly simon

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 20:24pm


Mat R,

I'm thinking Dionne Warwick (I think that it may take her three tries to actually get in just like Janet Jackson did), Beck, Rage Against The Machine and Lionel Richie (but with The Commodores and not on his own).

I think that the 2022 inductees (and I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year) will be:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 20:45pm


I assume Rage will be the POC act for the class (not counting the side categories).

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 20:49pm


Plebeian,

What are your current predictions for the 2022 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 20:54pm


Mat R,

Interesting question, if a little premature. I would have to agree with Beck and Eurythmics. Both seem like narrow misses on such a stacked ballot that will be renominated and probably inducted next year. Devo and Rage are also pretty safe bets to return to the ballot. Dionne Warwick and Kate Bush are 50/50. I think that MC5, New York Dolls and maybe Fela Kut fully drop off the ballot after this year, while Tribe and Priest will take temporary breaks for other artists in similar lanes.

Posted by RG on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 21:37pm


You gonna stop asking me that question once I answer it?

Anyway,

From most likely to least likely:

Eminem
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Judas Priest (Goes for at least one previous Top 5 vote getter)
Rage Against The Machine (most likely POC choice and just a good feeling; I hope it they get in)
Beck (no one in his lane)
Carly Simon (In case they want some more woman to the class)

The confidence in Benatar sort of astounds me. Looking at her credentials, she has the weakest case out of all the nominees. I just don't see it. Just a Joan Jett situation for me, but at least JJ has two very acclaimed songs to boot.

Eurthymics I might have to reconsider. Starting to a lot of support from them lately. If they don't get in this year, they will most likely get in next year.

Warwick and Lionel will suffer on critics and more interesting acts on the ballot

I see MC5 and Fela get the side category treatment. The rest will be our new perennials/lost causes.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 21:39pm


RG,

I just don't see Lionel Richie being inducted this year (let alone ever) on his own, I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 21:51pm


Plebeian

I hear you on Pat. I think she squeaks in but it's very dependent on the fact I think she gets more play on classic rock radio than Rage. She's the weakest in the crop and lacks the critical cred The Go-Gos and yes Joan Jett. Kind of shocked Cyndi Lauper or Melissa Etheridge didn't get nominated before the Hall nominated Pat for a second time.

RG

Yea it is but gotta kill time somehow :) agree on 50/50 for Kate

Posted by mat r on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 22:08pm


How would you guys rank the 2022 nominees in order of likelihood of getting in this year?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/4/2022 @ 22:42pm


Here's my tier list of the acts nominated this year

This is just who I feel in terms of looking at an objective angle with a little bit of bias

S-Legendary
A-Almost Legendary
B-Good/Great
C-Average
D-Below Average

Feel free to agree or disagree (:

1. Eminem-S
2. Beck-A
3. Dolly Parton-B
4. Judas Priest-B
5. Rage Against the Machine-B
6. Duran Duran-B
7. Kate Bush-B
8. A Tribe Called Quest-B
9. Devo-B
10. MC5-B
11. New York Dolls-B
12. Eurythmics-B
13. Fela Kuti-B
14. Dionne Warwick-C
15. Carly Simon-D
16. Lionel Richie-D
17. Pat Benatar-D

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 00:58am


Dolly is an A! Stupid typo!

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 01:04am


Plebeian,
That is an interesting tier list.
I am trying to remember some of your Old rankings back to early on. Maybe some time you can re Post that.
In the meantime. I recall that the Who, Jimi Hendrix, The Doors and Elton John were listed by you as S. I would want to see Your Old original list or you can tell me if those Music legends are S. I recall Bruce Springsteen is also listed as S. And possibly Pink Floyd. In any case I mention these examples. Because I'll assume those above are S. Those above are all Top fav artists of mine.
And so in the same way as those Eminem is an S. Not for me personally at all but overall. Do yu follow? I read all the time that Eminem is Legendary among Millienials. I am in 57. Far far away from that age group/ I know writing this Enig would refuse to write this kind of comment about him. I am more liberal to those I myself know nothing about. I personally only know his voice NOT a single song. I am sure many 57 year olds are similar to me. My fiancee also 57 does NOT know a single song him.
So in fact to be objective I agree with Eminem. I have yet to hear his songs. When you're 57 you get very busy and then relax with some good old music of Chicago. Yeah I did that ysterday.
I disagree instead with some of your D choices. Carly Simon is at least B. She is Good/Great. Ok It's true Not an S. But no way a D. And Pat Benatar is absolutely an A. It;'s Ok. We all have our opinions. You may not have experienced her enormous success and impact 1980-1984. She was cool and everywhere. Pat Benatar had an eclectic side. Little known fact is Pat did a Kate Bush song Wuthering Heights on Crimes of Passion album. Maybe that will raise Pat for you. Pat makes sense at A. Also Dionne Warwick should be B. Those are my thoughts. Feel free to respond

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 03:46am


Here's my rank on the 2022 nominees and the order of likelihood of them getting in this year:

1. Eminem
2. Dolly Parton
3. Duran Duran
4. Pat Benatar
5. Carly Simon
6. Eurythmics
7. Judas Priest
8. Dionne Warwick
9. Beck
10. Rage Against The Machine
11. New York Dolls
12. Kate Bush
13. Devo
14. A Tribe Called Quest
15. Lionel Richie
16. MC5
17. Fela Kuti

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 11:03am


Ben,

Yeah Carly, Lionel, and Pat were all very hard to rank. Warwick managed to be safe via having some mid-influence plus has songs that have been covered over the years. Simon and Richie I might bump for C just cause they are both Oscar Winners and have some noteworthy songs/albums. That is if I change my mind. Benatar I went with stone-cold facts. She does not have an essential song nor a classic album. Say what you will about Steve Miller, Chicago, Bon Jovi, etc. they all have an album that is considered really good despite their status. Benatar just lacks anything but. I feel like we're really jumping the gun on her chances.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 12:21pm


Based on current campaigning

I'm feeling

Will go in (9 outta 10 times in): eminem, dolly

Probably will go in(6 to 8 outta 10 times in): dionne, lionel, duran duran

Quite Likely will go in (5 or 7 outta 10 times in): judas priest

Might go in or be back next year (4 to 6 outta 10 times in): beck, pat, carly, eurythmics

Will miss: kate, tribe, rage

Side lined: mc5, fela

Not this year: ny dolls

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 13:13pm


Mat R,

I think that these 10 acts stand the best chance of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I just mentioned all have a real shot of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 13:34pm


Mat R,

I really hope that you're wrong about Lionel Richie getting inducted this year, I really hope he gets passed over, because there are far more interesting acts and that are much more deserving of induction on the ballot this year than Lionel, I just don't see him being inducted this year (let alone ever) on his own, I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 13:46pm


Richie

Same but the nomination happened at the right time for lionel. Between the premier of American Idol and the Gershwin Prize there is no way to avoid him and it's allowed him to have a very organic nomination campaign that doesn't feel groveling. It's also spark a very positive re evaluation of his music from outlets like the los angeles times.

There was also dave Grohl pretty much endorsing him for the rock hall.

I disagree re the commodores. While maybe more acclaimed they don't have the lasting popularity and don't hold the record for most #1 singles written by a single person. There was probably some debate about which act to nominate but if the goal was just to get lionel in then i think they made the right choice.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 17:19pm


Mat R,

I know that about Lionel, but I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either Mariah Carey or George Michael because they're far more deserving of an induction as far as Pop stars from the 80's and 90's go than Lionel, As I've said it before, I just don't see him ever being inducted on his own, I've said this before and I'll say it again, I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own. Period. End of story.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 17:24pm


Plebeian,
Ahh Ok,
Pat Benatar was a bright rising female star in 1980. She has 2,essential songs with Heartbreaker and Hit Me with Your Best Shot. A classic album of hers is Crimes of Passion. Hey the Go-Gos were inducted. Both actually faded when the 80s ended. I was a teenager right there in 1980 when Pat Benatar became a superstar. I was so sure she would win last time but missed. Not sure what happened. She was nominated in 2020 with a lot competition and choices. I worked with a friend that goofed on Pat Benatar all the time. He was much younger being a teenager in the 90s long after Pat's career was strong. But for those in school and teenagers during the 1980s she was quite a rage for awhile. But heyy there is a lot of other nominees. I am keeping my prediction of her. She has been delayed a bit. There are those like your self that maybe don't get the popularity. It was somewhat temporary. I admit Nobody was screaming for Pat anymore by 1995. We will see what happens. We can say that about a lot of 80s acts

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 18:12pm


Plebeian,

I think Benatar has four essential songs - Heartbreaker, Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Love is a Battlefield, and We Belong

Posted by RG on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 20:05pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., Will N., Ben, Enig, KING, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Nick B., Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Ian, Johnny, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Lax39, Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

I think that these 10 acts have the best chance of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I mentioned all have a real shot of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 20:19pm


RG, don't forget about Treat Me Right, Hell is for Children, Promises in the Dark, Precious Time, Invincible and Shadows of the Night.

Posted by Johnny on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 20:19pm


Don't forget Fire And Ice. A Classic song. From what I remember, Pat Benatar exited the scene in the late 1980's to start a family. I think she could have had more great hits had she continued making albums. Can't remember when she started making new music. I was busy going to college and work and other life things. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 20:42pm


Mat R,

I think that these 10 acts stand the best chance of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I mentioned all have a real shot of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/5/2022 @ 23:28pm


King

I feel like Pat Benetar would not have continued having hits as by 1989 she was already struggling for pop radio play and she would have fallen out of favour with rock radio in the grunge era. I feel like Billy Idol is comparable to her in a lot of ways and he, despite starting the decade with a massive hit unlike her, fell flat fast when he attempted to adjust for the alt sound, despite how honestly forward thinking that godawful album was. (Gonna be honest I think Idol will be on the ballot next year but we'll come back to that in 2 months)

Maybe she'd take the Meat Loaf route and return to relevance but I'm doubtful that would work for her and probably would isolate her more from going into the Hall.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 00:21am


mat r.
You actually have a point. I am a middle age Rocker around here. I was witness to music during 1989. You are right. I was there at 24. The charts were filled with all kinds like Paula Abdul, Debbie Gibson, Lita Ford had a hit with Ozzy Close My Eyes. Some of the key albums of 1989 were Nick of Time-Bonnie Raitt, Disintegreation-The Cure, Rhythm Nation-Janet Jackson and an album from Madonna. So there was already not a real place for Pat B anymore. There was a big album from Motley Crue, Even a Club Classics album from Soul II Soul dominated, With alll this Pat B would have faded out. That's 1989. It totally supports what you say. And then on top of that around 1992 she would have fallen out of favor with rock radio in the grunge era.
I also agree that Billy Idol is comparable to her in a lot of ways and YES he, started the decade with a massive hit unlike her, But he fell flat fast when he attempted to adjust for the alt sound. The Godawful album you mention must be Cyberpunk, concept album, it was inspired by his personal interest in technology and his first attempts to use computers in the creation of his music. Idol based the album on something he called Cyberdelic, a nonsense word. But I think Pat Benatar will be inducted NOW. Billy Idol sometime. Pat Benatar is headed for induction

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 03:01am


My fellow progressive rock aficionados:

Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet) but may be inducted perhaps as an early influence?
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon and Eurythmics will receive my vote each and every single time. My fourth and fifth choices will now go to either Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, Beck, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is and the random configuration of the Nominee choices).

Incidentally, the Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also induct the late Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational and cross genre appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Do I like Eminem? Absolutely not! I have encouraged my fellow music aficionados to vote for any of the aforementioned artists, but definitely not for Eminem.

Bill G.,

It is good to see that you have returned; I have really missed your input for the past few years!

On a sad note, I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of the late great Gary Brooker. He was a hugely influential artist, great vocalist and songwriter and he will surely be missed.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by akdxmy@hotmail.com on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 03:40am


My fellow progressive rock aficionados:

Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet) but may be inducted perhaps as an early influence?
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon and Eurythmics will receive my vote each and every single time. My fourth and fifth choices will now go to either Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick Beck, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is and the random configuration of the Nominee choices).

Incidentally, the Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also induct the late Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational and cross genre appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational and cross-genre appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Do I like Eminem? Absolutely not! I have encouraged my fellow music aficionados to vote for any of the aforementioned artists, but definitely not for Eminem.

Bill G.,

It is good to see that you have returned; I have really missed your input for the past few years!

On a sad note, I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of the late great Gary Brooker. He was a hugely influential artist, great vocalist and songwriter and he will surely be missed.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 03:41am


Plebeian and Ben,

Here is my tier list of the acts nominated during this year:

This is just who I feel in terms of looking at an objective angle with a little bit of bias

S+- Superlative (the best of the best) (other examples include the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), Sade and of course, The Beatles.
S- Legendary
A- Almost Legendary
B- Good/Great
C- Average
D- Below Average
F- Failure
F* - Not worthy under any circumstances whatsoever (the worst of the worst, other examples- N.W.A., Dr. Dre)

Feel free to agree or disagree:

Oh, do not worry. I will.

01. Duran Duran- S+
02. Carly Simon- S+
03. Lionel Richie- S+
04. Dolly Parton- S+
05. Judas Priest- S
06. Kate Bush- S
07. Eurythmics- A
08. Pat Benatar- A
09. Fela Kuti- A
10. Dionne Warwick- B
11. Beck- B
12. A Tribe Called Quest- C
13. Devo- C
14. New York Dolls- C
15. MC5- D
16. Rage Against The Machine- D
17. Eminem- F*

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 05:09am


Plebeian and Ben,

Here is my tier list of the acts nominated during this year:

Wait, there were 9 levels of hell weren't there. Kudos to the late Dante Alighieri for that tidbit of inspiration.

This is just who I feel justify their rating, in terms of looking at them through an objective angle with perhaps a little bit of bias?

S+- Superlative (the best of the best) (other examples include: the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Stevie Wonder, Sade and of course, The Beatles.

S- Legendary

Heaven starts above here: but I have simplified the 7 levels of heaven into 2:
——————————————————————————————————————-
Earthbound, from best to worst:

A- Almost Legendary
B- Good/Great
C- Average
D- Below Average

—————————————————————————————————————————-

The nine levels of hell start below here, but I have simplified them into 3 instead:

F- Atrocious
F- - Really atrocious
F*, or F - - - Not worthy under any circumstances whatsoever (the worst of the worst, other examples- N.W.A., Dr. Dre)

With this in mind, here is how the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees would rank:

01. Duran Duran- S+
02. Carly Simon- S+
03. Lionel Richie- S+
04. Dolly Parton- S+
05. Judas Priest- S
06. Kate Bush- S
07. Eurythmics- A
08. Pat Benatar- A
09. Fela Kuti- A
10. Dionne Warwick- B
11. Beck- B
12. A Tribe Called Quest- C
13. Devo- C
14. New York Dolls- C
15. MC5- D
16. Rage Against The Machine- D
17. Eminem- F*

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 05:57am


Plebeian and Ben,

Here is my tier list of the acts nominated during this year:

Wait, there were 9 levels of hell weren't there? Kudos to the late Dante Alighieri for that tidbit of inspiration.

This is just those artists who I feel justify their rating, in terms of looking at them through an objective angle with perhaps a little bit of bias?

S+- Superlative (the best of the best) (other examples include: the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Stevie Wonder, Sade and of course, The Beatles.

S- Legendary

Heaven starts above here: but I have simplified the 7 levels of heaven into 2:
——————————————————————————————————————-
Earthbound, from best to worst:

A- Almost Legendary
B- Good/Great
C- Average
D- Below Average

—————————————————————————————————————————-

The nine levels of hell start here, but I have simplified them into 3 instead:

F- Atrocious
F- - Really atrocious
F*, or F - - - Not worthy under any circumstances whatsoever (the worst of the worst, other examples include: N.W.A., Dr. Dre, etc.)

With this in mind, here is how the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees would rank:

01. Duran Duran- S+
02. Carly Simon- S+
03. Lionel Richie- S+
04. Dolly Parton- S+
05. Judas Priest- S
06. Kate Bush- S
07. Eurythmics- A
08. Pat Benatar- A
09. Fela Kuti- A
10. Dionne Warwick- B
11. Beck- B
12. A Tribe Called Quest- C
13. Devo- C
14. New York Dolls- C
15. MC5- D
16. Rage Against The Machine- D
17. Eminem- F*

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 06:08am


Enig,
i would like to do this.
Something to do.
01. Duran Duran -S+
02. Carly Simon-S+
03. Lionel Richie-S+
04. Judas Priest-S+
05. Kate Bush-S
06. Eminem-S
07. Pat Benatar-A
08. Fela Kuti- A
09. Dionne Warwick- B
10. Rage Against the Machine-B
11. Eurythmics-C
12. Tribe Called Quest-C
13. Dolly Parton-C
14. Devo-C
15 Fela Kuti-C
16. New York Dolls-D
17. MC5-D

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 07:20am


Have you guys been following Nick's Rock Hall Reconsidered Project? It's a really interesting look at a world in which the Hall had started with a more efficient system of induction, and would have been in a much different place today. Here is a list of the artists that have been inducted into that project, but not in real life. This could be helpful when thinking about the list of snubs that are still out there from various genres and eras.

1986
Big Mama Thornton
Link Wray
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Patsy Cline

1988
Dionne Warwick
John Coltrane
Willie Nelson

1989
The Spinners
Dolly Parton
Dick Dale

1990
Mary Wells

1991
The Marvelettes
Cher

1992
The Monkees
The Shangri-Las

1995
Kool & The Gang

1996
Glen Campbell
Diana Ross

1997
The Pointer Sisters
*Ben E King (asterisks from here on out mark Veteran's Committee inductees)

1998
Carly Simon
Toots & The Maytals
Loretta Lynn
*Odetta

1999
Harry Nilsson
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Jethro Tull
War
*Lesley Gore
*Herbie Hancock
*Chubby Checker

2000
The Commodores
Judas Priest
The Guess Who
*Tommy James & The Shondells

2001
Carpenters
MC5
Barry White
New York Dolls
Joe Cocker
*Peter, Paul, & Mary
*Ella Fitzgerald
*Neil Sedaka
*The Chiffons

2002
Fela Kuti
Gram Parsons
The Meters
*Love

2003
Chic
Motorhead
*Jim Croce
*Paul Revere & The Raiders
*Captain Beefheart

2004
The B-52's
Joy Division
Kate Bush
Warren Zevon
King Crimson
Roberta Flack
*The 5th Dimension
*Three Dog Night
*Sweet
*The Crystals

2005
Pat Benatar
Iron Maiden
Thin Lizzy
The Runaways
Big Star
Chaka Khan
Peter Tosh
Devo
*Lou Rawls
*Gordon Lightfoot
*Donny Hathaway

2006
Labelle
INXS
Rick James
Foreigner
Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes
John Prine
*Connie Francis
*Emmylou Harris
*Emerson, Lake & Palmer
*The J Geils Band

2007
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
New Order
The Replacements
Phil Collins
Siouxsie & The Banshees
Suzi Quatro
*Nick Drake
*Joe Tex

2008
Sonic Youth
Afrika Bambaataa
Bad Company
Lionel Richie
The Bangles
Weird Al Yankovic
Miami Sound Machine
*Ohio Players

2009
The Smiths
Cyndi Lauper
X
Brian Eno
Tears For Fears
Black Flag
Los Lobos
Ozzy Osbourne
Robert Palmer
*Chuck Willis
*KC & The Sunshine Band
*Steppenwolf

2010
George Michael
Boston
Grace Jones
Television
Luther Vandross
Sade
Squeeze
The Jam
*The Clovers
*Sonny & Cher
*Blue Oyster Cult

2011
Pet Shop Boys
Billy Idol
Steve Winwood
Bad Brains
Ice-T
Iggy Pop
Patti LaBelle
XTC
*The Dominoes
*Celia Cruz
*Peter Frampton
*The Stylistics

2012
Salt N Pepa
Buzzcocks
Eric B & Rakim
Dead Kennedys
Husker Du
Motley Crue
Sting
Anita Baker
Teddy Pendergrass
*Gloria Gaynor
*Merle Haggard
*The Damned

2013
Soundgarden
Pixies
Jane's Addiction
Joe Jackson
Bryan Adams
Gang of Four
The Human League
Sugarhill Gang
The Neville Brothers
Midnight Oil
*Esther Phillips
*Johnny Burnette & The Rock N Roll Trio
*Kenny Loggins

2014
Tracy Chapman
Queen Latifah
De La Soul
Echo and the Bunnymen
Bauhaus
Culture Club
Simple Minds
The Specials
Lucinda Williams
*John Denver
*Olivia Newton-John
*Sparks
*Giorgio Moroder
*Harry Belafonte
*Thelonious Monk

2015
A Tribe Called Quest
Huey Lewis & The News
Slayer
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Lenny Kravitz
The Flaming Lips
*Junior Walker & The All-Stars
*Grand Funk Railroad
*Waylon Jennings

2016
Smashing Pumpkins
Mariah Carey
Alice in Chains
Blur
Living Colour
Megadeth
10,000 Maniacs
Melissa Etheridge
Selena
Sinead O'Connor
Hole
*Little Feat
*Tom Jones
*Cliff Richard & The Shadows
*The Gap Band
*The Village People

2017
Alanis Morrisette
TLC
PJ Harvey
Boyz II Men
Tori Amos
The Cranberries
*Kurtis Blow
*Lee "Scratch" Perry
*Procol Harum
*Slade

2018
Rage Against the Machine
Wu-Tang Clan
Mary J Blige
No Doubt
Dr. Dre
Anthrax
Dio
Indigo Girls
k.d. lang
Snoop Dogg
Tool
Violent Femmes
*Madness
*Don Henley
*Jimmy Buffett
*Joan Armatrading
*Toto
*Supertramp

2019
Outkast
Beck
Sheryl Crow
Bjork
Stone Temple Pilots
The Pogues
*Scorpions
Faith No More
Ministry

2020
Oasis
Weezer
Daft Punk
Dave Matthews Band
Fugees
Phish
En Vogue
The Stone Roses
Wilco
*The Psychedelic Furs
*George Benson
*Mott the Hoople
*The Turtles
*Tammi Terrell

2021
Liz Phair
Moby
Sleater-Kinney
The Black Crowes
Crowded House
Massive Attack
Pavement
The Roots
*Steve Earle
*Ashford & Simpson
*Tammy Wynette
*Richie Havens
*Pantera

2022
Eminem
Fiona Apple
Nas
Sarah McLachlan
Erykah Badu
Fugazi
Ice Cube
*Adam & the Ants
*Fanny
*Suicide
*Jan & Dean

Posted by RG on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 08:34am


Enig,

That's not really a tier list, that's just liking who you like the most and who you like the least. I was going for a objective-based kind of one with a little bit of subjective then and there. It's heavily bias and reflects more or less your lack of knowledge on certain acts. I may have biases, but I understand facts and the way some acts just are undeniable no matter what. Also stop posting long messages it's clogging the space on the website.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 09:23am


Plebeian,

I do not like misogynistic, homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic and violent artists. Therefore, I have ranked them accordingly.

Ben,

I am definitely dumbfounded by your support of Eminem. Otherwise, we seem to agree on a few artists.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 11:50am


Enig

Dolly, who you ranked highly, played sun city which is more offensive than anything enimem ever did

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 12:37pm


RG,

Literally every band that has a remote chance is on your list, except I don't see Korn?

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 14:32pm


I'll answer with my own predictions in another post but I'm gonna do something very controversial here: I'm gonna state that I honestly don't think the chances for Carly or Pat getting in this year are as strong as people may think.

Carly is not even alone in her category list: Kate Bush is another female singer-songwriter that would probably compete against her in the ballot. There's even a chance for Kate to enter and Carly to try again next year.

Pat has to compete with Judas Priest and Rage Against the Machine for the pure rock act category and I imagine Judas Priest fans and metal fans altogether are gonna try much harder to put Judas Priest in there (complicating matters is Tom Morello, RATM founding member is a RRHOF voter who has been pressing for JP to get in there more so than his own group). So this might be Judas' year. Pat unfortunately has found herself where she was in 2019 when the subject of her and Whitney Houston came up, also Chaka Khan, in the women category. So that brings up Dionne Warwick and Dolly Parton, two vocalists who were also lifelong eligible artists.

Now what COULD help either Carly or Pat is the fact that Dolly is a country artist and there aren't too many who are associated with country in the hall (Elvis, Ray Charles - who just got in the Country Music Hall of Fame last year, Jerry Lee, Everly Brothers, Rick Nelson, Johnny Cash, Hank Williams - as an early influence, Brenda Lee, Wanda Jackson, Eagles, etc.). Plus Willie Nelson is not in yet so I think Dolly is gonna have to wait for Willie to get in to get a second chance (if she's not in) but what hurts Carly and Pat in regards to Dolly is she is a HUGE name. It's like with Madonna, MJ, Whitney, you can't escape her, she is just that omnipresent so if she's not inducted this year, it would be seen as a huge snub regardless of genre. So still, that opens the door for Dolly to get in plus Whitney getting in for singing her composition and turning it into a cultural phenomenon was probably the real reason for her nomination (plus the influence of Jolene, as the White Stripes famously covered it among other bands). Dolly definitely has fans outside the country element so that helps her chances.

Dionne Warwick is overlooked this year, I think she'll be the shock. Most here don't think she'll be in this year but as I said about Janet before she got in or Donna Summer (who got in posthumously), don't count her out. Dionne's nomination was due to Tina getting in last year and her kid cousin Whitney getting in a year before that, plus she has the advantage of being there for the first generation of rock and roll and soul music (she had hits before Dusty Springfield and was around at the same time Aretha, Etta James and Tina were) and boomer voters who knew of her work won't be hesitant to wanna vote her in. She'll add to the prestigious number of inductees from New Jersey (Four Seasons, Shirelles, Bruce Springsteen, the E Street Band, Paul Simon - though he grew up in NYC, Bon Jovi, Whitney, etc.) I don't think someone like Little Steven would pass up a chance to induct Dionne (after all that mess with Todd Rundgren last year, who was pretty dismissive of Dionne). Dionne is almost pretty alone for the "R&B" pick unless you call Lionel Richie an R&B artist so I think that's where she'll probably hit a road block but I honestly won't be surprised if both of them get in this year. Still possible Lionel and maybe Dolly or Pat could take some votes from her but IDK. Plus, Aretha is in there, but the

Eurythmics is kinda like Dionne in that I think they could actually eek inside as we see Pat, Carly and Kate going back and forth. Everyone knows Annie Lennox. A lot of great memories are associated with Eurythmics songs (they recorded with Aretha). So they could see them and say "why are they not in yet?!" In the 80s category, they have Judas Priest, Duran Duran and Lionel Richie to compete with. In fact, this could be why we may see Dionne over Lionel because Duran Duran and Eurythmics represented the '80s (though Lionel did too up until 87). So why I wish for all of these women artists to go in, I think the ones that could manage to get in are:

Dionne Warwick
Dolly Parton
And, if 6 or 7, Kate Bush (but they may put her in the Musical Excellence category)
Carly could get in similarly as Kate.

Pat Benatar, unfortunately, would have it very rough but who knows? Maybe the Go-Go's could help her nomination!

As much as we hate it, that's the way things are run over there. Happy RRHOF voting!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 15:05pm


Timothy Pernell,

I think that these 10 acts stand the best chance of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I just mentioned all have a real shot of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 15:33pm


Timothy Pernell,

I think that you're way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, but I just don't see it this year for Lionel, I think that there are far more interesting acts on the ballot this year that are much more deserving of induction than Lionel, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan, Mariah Carey or even Celine Dion because they're far more deserving of an induction as far as Pop stars from the 80's and 90's go than Lionel, As I've said it before, I just don't see him being inducted this year (let alone ever) on his own, I've said this before and I'll say it again, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own. Period. End of story.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 15:41pm


K-Dawg,

This project has been moving forward past 2022, and is currently voting for the Class of 2031. Korn was inducted in the Class of 2029 on their eighth nomination. I can post the full list of future inductees later if you want.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 16:43pm


I really can't see the Hall only inducting one woman or two women this year, I think that they will induct 3-5 women this year, as well as they should. I think that there's too many deserving women on the ballot this year and I think that nearly all of them have a great chance of getting in this year like Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick (I don't see Kate Bush getting in this year), so I think that the Hall will induct 3-5 women this year as well as they should.

I also think that either Rage Against The Machine or Dionne Warwick will be the POC choice this year (A Tribe Called Quest and Fela Kuti don't have a chance this year and I just don't see Lionel Richie ever being inducted on his own (I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in eventually with The Commodores than on his own).

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 17:15pm


Timothy Pernell,

Welcome back to this forum. I am very eager to hear your opinions about these 17 Rock Hall Nominees.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 18:49pm


I think that these 10 acts stand the best chance of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I just mentioned all have a real shot of getting in this year.

Thoughts?

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/6/2022 @ 21:28pm


Enig,
Forgive me for sounding critical. But you see a tier list needs to be objective. I'm afraid Plebian is right here. That's not really a tier list, that's just liking who you like the most and who you like the least. Plebeian was going for a objective-based kind of one with a little bit of subjectiveness then and there. We do agree with a few artists. I may have biases we all do but I was going with Plebeian format. On a positive note. To stress the positive. I place Duran Duran at #1. They are S+.I am not a full fan of Duran Duran either but I personally like them tremendously more than Depeche Mode or Information Society. There is a name never mentioned. NOT my bag. Forget tangent Duran Duran seem to have intriguing albums to investigate. I only owned Rio back in 1983 but heard the album Seven and Ragged Tiger. I worked in a Used Record shop in the late 80s with a turntable. I listened up to Notorious album. And also part of Big Thing. It was still the 80s. That's good enough to support them at #1. Right below her is Carly Simon. I can say she could perhaps be S+. She is a great singer/songwriter that has been skipped for years. Even Cat Stevens and now Carole King are inducted now. But I also wanted to be objective with the list.

Plebeian,
I think I have the right idea with a tier list. I was inspired by your concept. Mine does face facts. Hey I would love to have King Crimson, Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Johnny Winter inducted immediately but realistically I don't see those taking place anytime soon.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 02:58am


Ben,

Of course, It was meant to be a joke. But really, I have several criteria for ranking those artists accordingly.

1. Longevity
2. Songwriting mastery
3. Instrumental prowess
4. Influence upon contemporary, or future artists
5. Did they improve our culture, or did they promote an agenda of regression (give into stereotypes)
6. How well known are they among the generations?
7. Do they have cross-genre support?
8. Can the story of Rock be told without them?
9. Did their work improve our society?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 07:03am


Here's my attempt at an objective ranking of this year's nominees, using the same system as Plebeian. I tend to be a little bit of a harsher judge than others on this site whenever we do these sort of things. This does not reflect my personal tastes or what I think each artist's chances of induction are, just an assessment of their overall importance in music, and to rock & roll in particular.

Eminem - S
Dolly Parton - A
Kate Bush - B
Beck - B
Duran Duran - B
A Tribe Called Quest - B
Judas Priest - B
Rage Against The Machine - B
Fela Kuti - C
Eurythmics - C
Dionne Warwick - C
The MC5 - C
Carly Simon - C
New York Dolls - C
Pat Benatar - D
Lionel Richie - D
Devo - D

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 08:51am


Out of the artists in the Previously Considered list that haven't been nominated, who do you guys think would show up on the ballot in the future. I think its either Ice-T or Jethro Tull.

Posted by Raichu on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 09:12am


Revising my chance for induction for each artist, after a month or reactions and reflection. This is based on there being 6 inductees.

Eminem-99.9999...% (no change)
Duran Duran-75% (previously 55%)
Dolly Parton-65% (previously 70%)
Kate Bush-40% (previously 15%)
Judas Priest-40% (no change)
Beck-40% (previously 30%)
Lionel Richie-35% (no change)
Pat Benatar-35% (previously 60%)
Rage Against The Machine-30% (previously 35%)
Dionne Warwick-30% (previously 20%)
Eurythmics-25% (previously 10%)
Carly Simon-20% (previously 50%)
A Tribe Called Quest-15% (previously 10%)
Fela Kuti-15% (previously 25%)
New York Dolls-15% (previously 20%)
The MC5-10% (previously 15%)
Devo-10% (no change)

Eminem is still a lock and I feel pretty certain about Duran Duran and Dolly, but everything else is a crapshoot. That makes this year way more fun than last, when we all pretty much had 5 of the 6 inductees penciled in. It's still looking like it'll be a pretty white class, but I'd bet they compensate for that in the side categories.

I originally thought Pat Benatar was likely to get inducted since many were surprised she didn't make it last time, but there hasn't been much buzz about her so I dropped her chances to about 1 in 3. Likewise, I thought Carly Simon's name recognition would work in her favor but she's not getting mentioned a lot either. I bumped Kate Bush up a bit because it seems like a ton of people who recorded music in the last few years are citing her as an influence. This year is starting to feel like her best shot.

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 09:58am


One of the things that I love about this year's crop of nominees is that it isn't predictable on who the inductees will be and I really like it because the past several years have been so predictable on who will be inducted, I really love that it isn't predictable this year unlike the past several years.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 10:37am


Raichu

I think jethro might but unsure about ice t. With not only eric b and rakim and krs one but also megadeth and slayer not in yet i feel he and bodycount have a weight ahead before they pop up seriously

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 14:28pm


Raichu,

I'd agree with you on Jethro Tull. They ought to get a nomination in the near future. Others who may be nominated in the next few years would be the Pixies, the Jam, Sonic Youth, and De La Soul.

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 14:57pm


Ben,

Of course, It was meant to be a joke. But really, I have several criteria for ranking those artists accordingly.

1. Longevity (Length and depth of career) (10 pts)
2. Songwriting mastery (15 pts)
3. Instrumental prowess (15 pts)
4. Influence upon contemporary, or future artists (Influence) (10 pts)
5. Did they improve our culture, or did they promote an agenda of regression (by giving into known and tired stereotypes)? (5 pts)
6. How well known are they among the generations? (5 pts)
7. Do they have cross-genre support? (5 pts)
8. Can the story of Rock be told without them? (5 pts)
9. Did their work improve our society? (15 pts)
10. What have they done that is truly innovative? (Innovation) (15 pts)

Everyone starts off at zero and either rises, or falls accordingly.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 23:17pm


Enigmaticus,

Eminem has plenty of that stuff. Longevity? He's still active and not a nostalgia act after 25 years. Influence? He was the first real White Hip-Hop artist to make a lasting impression, and any White rapper since, along with several other rappers who he discovered, owe him a lot. He's an icon to the younger members of Generation X and the older Millennials.

He hasn't done much crossover work, but the story of music can't be told without the controversy-prone rapper.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 23:41pm


And as for the "agenda of regression" it's true that a lot of his older work is full of slurs, but he apologized for them eventually and nearly everyone forgave him. That's how big he is.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/7/2022 @ 23:44pm


Enig,
I'm going to go in an interesting direction. Due to lack of knowledge I am Not going to elaborate on Eminem having plenty of stuff. But I am going mention somebody I do know a lot about as a comparison. Someone older But Not Prog so this way we don't get distracted with that. The old guy I have in mind is Rod Stewart. He was Not exactly an angel in his young Days. Stewart is one of the best-selling music artists of all time, having sold over 250 million records worldwide. He has had 10 number-one albums and Stewart has had 16 top ten singles in the US, with four reaching number one on the Billboard Hot 100. He was knighted in the 2016 Birthday Honours for services to music and charity. He was a very key performer of the 1970s and 80s. Rod has plenty of that stuff you say. But how well known are they among the generations. Well that is a bit shaky. My Father and mother from Super old times barely knew who he was. He wasn't as world wide known to those middle age in the 1960s and 70s as the Beatles, Bob Dylan and Elton John. That's kind of clear. Enough said. He's an icon to the whole Baby Boomer generation and the older members of Generation X. But beyond that After a disco and new wave period in the late 1970s and early 1980s, Stewart's music turned to a soft rock/middle-of-the-road style. That's what younger generations often know. He is not given a lot of value all the time unless it's Young music geniuses like people on here.
Now Why do I mention all this about Rod. Because he is an Icon for those older like the Baby Boomers.
In the same way Eminem seems to be an icon to younger members of Generation X and the older Millennials. And he is up for induction now. So I do Not hate the hall for nominating Eminem. It's part of the story of music. I used the Rod Stewart Example because he seems to be an icon with reverse situation. I was thinking of a huge old performer that isn't equally known to all generations for a interesting perspective. I would have used some band like Dire Straits or somebody but it's different with a band. Dire Straits in fact also are not super known by Millenials. So to be objective the Music story can't be told without Rod Stewart or Dire Straits whom I know a lot about. but the same would apply to Eminem. Just being objective.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/8/2022 @ 04:13am


Beck - A
Pat Benatar - C
Kate Bush - B
Devo - B
Duran Duran - B
Eminem - S
Eurythmics - B
Judas Priest - B
Fela Kuti - B
MC5 - B
New York Dolls - B
Dolly Parton - A
RATM - B
Lionel Richie - B
Carly Simon - C
A Tribe Called Quest - A
Dionne Warwick - B

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/8/2022 @ 09:50am


Follower

I would note eminem gas pretty massive cross genre support. The guy was able to get played on alternative and rock radio when rap largely wasn't (yes this was largely due to race and eminem has expressed disgust at that fact) but also he's big in sampling classic rock, and worked with a ton of pop and rnb artists. Madonna, Elton, Steven Tyler are all likely vouching for him. Beyond that everyone from Rivers Cumomo to Billie eilish has called him an influence. His support is pretty wide.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/8/2022 @ 10:33am


Raichu,
I'd agree with you of course on Jethro Tull. They ought to get a nomination for 2023 or 24 Others who may be nominated in the next few years would be the Pixies, Johnny Winter, Sonic Youth and Sade. Those are some objective picks with Bias to Johnny Winter. A Great Blues Rock legend that passed away a few years ago

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/8/2022 @ 12:23pm


Guys....Eminem has just become the most awarded singles artist in RIAA history.

I know there's been debate about this but I think this seals him as the pop nominee

https://consequence.net/2022/03/eminem-top-awarded-artist-riaa/

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/8/2022 @ 12:58pm


In my opinion, Jethro Tull would likely be inducted under a different category like AME since the Hall seems to start inducting 60's & 70's acts through that & Early Influence since they did with Kraftwerk last year. Same could be said for other bands/artists like King Crimson, Big Star, J. Geils Band, MC5, New York Dolls, Dionne Warwick, War, Kool & The Gang, Rufus featuring Chaka Khan etc.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 03/8/2022 @ 16:15pm


Jordan,
Good to see you around. I'm still having faith for quite a while more for Jethro Tull in Regular Performer Category. They would at least be nominated. Let's give that a chance. But I agree with King Crimson, J. Geild Bant, MC5, NY DOLLS, Dionne Warwick, War, etc.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/8/2022 @ 17:37pm


By the way, have I missed any Rock Haller deaths? I know I missed the death of Joey Ambrose last time, but has any rock hall inductee died since Sam Lay died last month?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/8/2022 @ 19:21pm


The induction of 60s acts as Early Influence or Musical Excellence seems a real possibility. However, I am of the opinion that the RRHOF isn't done with older artists by a longshot. Look at the way they've inducted people over the decades. There is some trends they follow, but the voting body has no logical rhyme or reason to who gets inducted. For those saying that the 80s and 90s are the future of the nominees, look at Dolly Parton, the New York Dolls, and Dionne Warwick, to name a few. They are diverse genres, but they go back to the 50s and 60s still. Whenever someone here says that the 70s rock bands are all picked over, that the Hall will pretty much focus on 90s and 00s going forward, they aren't paying attention to the past classes. I'm not saying it's always going to follow that randomness, but I'm pretty sure that the RRHOF is going to swing towards every decade, every genre and every popular trend to somehow Frankenstein its classes together.

Jethro Tull probably will get a regular nomination in the not too distant future. I hope the Monkees will, or they ARE Early Influence material. Same can be said for the Guess Who, Willie Nelson, Tommy and the Shondells, Herman's Hermits, and a plethora of others who began forming in the 1960s

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/8/2022 @ 23:59pm


K-Dawg,
.I totally agree. The induction of 60s acts as Early Influence or Musical Excellence seems a real possibility. BUT, I am also of the opinion that the RRHOF isn't done with older artists by a longshot. I have seen the way they've inducted people over the decades. Heyy 2016 is only 6 years ago. Chicago, Deep Purple and Steve Miller were all inducted at the same time. In 2018 Nina Simone was inducted. She started recording in early 1960s. I mean in 2020. Very Modern times the Doobie Brothers were indcucted. There is first hit Listen to the Music is old enough. It's pretty darn old. 1972 to be precise. Let me see, Ahh Carole King was inducted this past year 2021 for the solo career. It was the 50th Ann of Tapestry. 1971. Which is why I am still predicting Blood, Sweat and Tears and Judy Collins as Performers. The special categories have been expanded to induct 60s and 70s acts that had more limited careers. There is a bunch of 70s Rock bands to still be picked. Jethro Tull certainly. Mott the Hoople and Kansas may come to your mind. Ahh another band to try is Toto. Toto only had 3 hits perhaps. But they had a lot of albums and great musicians

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/9/2022 @ 02:48am


Ben,

No offense to you, but I am not particularly enamored of the musical output of Rod Stewart either. However, if you use my 10 criteria, you will most probably agree that Eminem definitely comes up short; he is not worthy of an "S" rating now, or possibly ever, even far into the future. On the other hand, the six artists which I had given either the "S," or "S+" rating definitely deserve their respective ratings. They have produced outstanding work throughout the majority of their careers. Also, the three artists who I had placed in the "A" tier are definitely worthy of induction. Unless you are able to compose a piece of music, you may never understand the multi-layered complexity involved. Unfortunately the record industry promotes those artists which appeal to the lowest common denominators, rather than those who strive for continued musical excellence.

The Rock Hall is certainly entitled to induct who they want, but the Rock Hall and HBO depend greatly upon an interested audience and contributions to make all of this possible. Those contributions are from the public at large and many of them feel are now starting to feel quite disenfranchised by their recent choices.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 03/9/2022 @ 03:24am


48am

Ben,

No offense to you, but I am not particularly enamored of the musical output of Rod Stewart either. However, if you use my 10 criteria, you will most probably agree that Eminem definitely comes up short; he is not worthy of an "S" rating now, or possibly ever, even far into the future. On the other hand, the six artists which I had given either the "S," or "S+" rating definitely deserve their respective ratings. They have produced outstanding work throughout the majority of their careers. Also, the three artists who I had placed in the "A" tier are definitely worthy of induction. Unless you are able to compose a piece of music, you may never understand the multi-layered complexity involved. Unfortunately the record industry promotes those artists which appeal to the lowest common denominators, rather than those who strive for continued musical excellence.

The Rock Hall is certainly entitled to induct who they want, but the Rock Hall and HBO depend greatly upon an interested audience and contributions to make all of this possible. Those contributions are from the public at large and many of them may now already feel, or are now starting to feel quite disenfranchised by their recent choices.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 03/9/2022 @ 03:29am


Enig

Eminem is one if the most acclaimed artists in this years crop and the BEST SELLING SINGLES ARTIST OF ALL TIME according to the RIAA. How is he not an S?

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 03/9/2022 @ 07:19am


Enig

1. Longevity (Length and depth of career) (10 pts) - 10. best selling act of the 2000s and 2010s

2. Songwriting mastery (15 pts) - 14 again highly regarded for his lyrical skill which pushed emotion in rap

3. Instrumental prowess (15 pts) - 10, pretty important producer. there are bigger names but em is solid on this front.

4. Influence upon contemporary, or future artists (Influence) (10 pts) - 10. without doubt. 50 cent, drake, dua lipa, kendrick, weezer, rihanna, twenty one pilots. there's a long long list of acts who cite eminem as an influence

5. Did they improve our culture, or did they promote an agenda of regression (by giving into known and tired stereotypes)? (5 pts) - 5 yea he did. helped shift rap into being the pop and got rap on rock and alternative airwaves. this lead to a lot of changes musically

6. How well known are they among the generations? (5 pts) - 5 everyone knows eminem and gen x, millennials and gen z hold him in high regard. a lot of boomers like elton and madonna call him a genius too

7. Do they have cross-genre support? (5 pts) - 5 pretty heavy pop, rnb, and rock cross over. Again broke rap onto rock radio at a time when that didn't even happen for the Beastie Boys

8. Can the story of Rock be told without them? (5 pts) - 5. again best selling artist of the 2000s and 2010s, influenced a lot of people.

9. Did their work improve our society? (15 pts) - 12. artistically yes, he also was an early acknowledger of white privilege, has promoted black artists heavy, opposed destructive political policy, and, despite lyrical content, was one of the first champions for gay rights in mainstream hip hop (alongside beastie boys, 50 cent, jay z, and kayne). He does have an often angry white male fanbase but that's something he's vocally disowned and that criticism could be more heavy waged against like punk, grunge, hard rock, metal, and even prog (you know that's true)

10. What have they done that is truly innovative? (Innovation) (15 pts) - 15 yes the pop rap and emotion of his lyrics changed rap. everyone from drake to j cole to tyler owes him in this regard.

91/100 - how is this not an S? I'm actually curious how a someone who scores 91 out 100 misses S status. Again best selling artist ever in the US when it comes to singles. Are you like giving him a 0 on Instrumental prowess? He's a rapper and a producer do you want him to be Michael Gira or Edgar Winter? I'm really curious as to how you're scoring him cause I don't see any reasonable way to rate him an F using your score card

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 03/9/2022 @ 09:45am


Mat R,

I think he is more or less not a fan of rap and hip-hop in general. Don't get me started on his passionate stance on Duran Duran. He will go in denial of them not being Prog rock (which they aren't, they were influenced by Chic and Donna Summer so how can they be prog and their influencers/followers game is pretty low). Just take my advice and ignore him.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 03/9/2022 @ 12:37pm


So MC5 will be releasing a new album in over 50 years...

Sounds like someone wants to be inducted.

Posted by Brasssection on Wednesday, 03/9/2022 @ 14:31pm


mat r,

Congratulations on your defense of Eminem. I wanted to see if anyone would articulately challenge my opinion and you did. Therefore, I will increase my rating of Eminem in the not too distant future.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 03/9/2022 @ 16:35pm


Enig,
What just happened here? Wow this is Cool. mat r has articluately challenged your opinion. Hey I am Not a big Rap fan. Hey I have been a huge Rock fan since about 1976. I go back to when Yes and Led Zep toured the world and Rod Stewart was a worldwide star along with Elton J, David Bowie etc etc. The Eagles had one of their biggest tours of all time following Hotel California album. That will always be my fav era. The 1970s and early 80s. I am a Jewish Rock fan of semi suburban areas. I was just being fair. And I still haven't heard any tunes from Eminem. What is interesting is one generation faces another. I own many many albums by Yes and Elton J. But hey there is a Young generation on here. Even though I have never heard any Eminem he seems like a felllow that's an icon based on reading. I will now go back to continuing the Campaign for Jethro Tull and Johnny Winter. Sorry besides some Prog I do campaign for Blues Rock. You may or may not know Johnny W. Ok Carry on. I will catch ya another time

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 05:24am


I think that these 10 acts all have a real shot of getting in this year and they stand the best chances of anyone on the ballot this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I just mentioned have the best chances of getting in this year and they are the top contenders for going in this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 09:23am


Anyone have any ideas for good candidates for AME? This aren't really predictions but more who could be worthy. My ideas are:
Sean Combs/Puff Daddy/P. Diddy/Brother Love
Peter Frampton
Patti Labelle
Rudy Sarzo (Quiet Riot bassist who worked and played with everyone from Ozzy Osbourne to The Guess Who)
Damon Albarn

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 10:21am


Some other Musical Excellence ideas.

Carol Kaye
Glenn Campbell
Chaka Khan
The Meters
The J.B.'s
Phil X
Rita Coolidge
Nicolette Larson
Gram Parsons
Tommy Bolin
Dr. Dre
Afrikka Bambatta
DJ. Kool Harc
Merry Clanton

Maybe I put down some influence ideas in another post.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 11:32am


^also

Toto
The Roots

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 11:35am


Raichu,

I have a list of suggestions/ideas of candidates for AME too. I could do the same for Influences.

Here's my list:
Devo
Fela Kuti
Chaka Khan
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
Kate Bush
Rory Gallagher
J. Geils Band
Eric B & Rakim
The Monkees
Hubert Sumlin
Lee "Scratch" Perry
Warren Zevon
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Motorhead
Paul Rodgers
Tom Scholz
Ronnie James Dio
Richard Thompson
Dr. Dre
Damon Albarn
The Meters
The Commodores
Weird "Al" Yankovic
Richard Thompson
John McLaughlin
The JB's
Bernard Edwards & Tony Thompson

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 12:21pm


Crap I realize that i put Richard Thompson twice.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 12:22pm


I shoulda put Johnny Winter instead of Thompson behind Weird "Al.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 12:24pm


Alright here's my list of Early (Musical) Influence picks:

MC5
New York Dolls
BIg Mama Thornton
Dick Dale
Ella Fitzgerald
Sparks
Frank Sinatra
The Carter Family
Duke Ellington
John Coltrane
Willie Nelson
Dolly Parton
Lightnin' Hopkins
Waylon Jennings
John Cage
Harry Belafonte
Blind Lemon Jefferson
Patsy Cline
The Sonics
Chuck Willis
Mississippi John Hurt
Herbie Hancock
Scott Joplin
Charlie Parker
Ravi Shankar

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 12:46pm


I have a few influence ideas that weren't listed yet.

Mamie Smith
Memphis Minnie
Esther Phillips
Johnny Burnette and The Rock and Roll Trio
Sonny Boy Williamson (I)
Sonny Boy Williamson (II)
Frank Stokes
Johnnie Ray
Samantha Bumgardner
The Kingston Trio
Link Wray
The Last Poets
Terry Riley
Wendy Carlos
Philip Glass
Johnny Ace

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 13:04pm


^^Also

The Chantels
Billy Ward and The Dominos
The Clovers
Junior Parker

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 13:10pm


Which acts do you guys think will get in this year (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 16:39pm


If we're listing Early Influence contenders

Here are the 20 that with the expanded definition I think are basically the 20 strongest figures

1. Frank Sinatra - literally invented the album as we know it
2. Steppenwolf
3. Cliff Richard
4. Big Mama Thornton
5. The Kingsmen
6. Nico
7. Wendy Carlos
8. Ella Fitzgerald
9. Dick Dale
10. Ravi Shankar
11. Gram Parsons
12. MC5
13. Link Wray
14. Gloria Estefan
15. Sonic Youth
16. Patsy Cline
17. Boogie Down Productions
18. DJ Cool Herc
19. Rudy Ray Moore
20. Suzi Quatro

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 17:06pm


Also since AME was listed Imma list my top 20 for that too

1a. (Eric B and) Rakim - mentioning Eric B too but this award for be for Rakim. Probably every GOAT's pick for the GOAT. I think it happens this year if Eminem is going in, he considered Rakim the best ever and it would mean a lot of not just Em but the genre of rap as a whole for Rakim to go in
1b. Klaus Voormann - the perfect sideman candidate. Look at that catalog as not only a bassist but an artist as well.
1c. Brian Eno - double inductee but one that makes sense. Genre innovator, top tier producer, uber influential songwriter and composer, accolades galore.
2. The J. Geils Band
3. Ronnie James Dio - is a massive snub and highly important genre figure
4. Lee "Scratch" Perry
5. Sylvia Robinson
6. Randy Bachman (and Burton Cummings) - The Guess Who should be in but it's just a mess of a legacy Bachman, and to an extent Cummings, is impressive outside of the band
7. Captain Beefheart
8. "Weird Al" Yankovic
9. Fela Kuti - this should be his final nomination
10. Doug Yule - is a massive snub
11. Robert Fripp - I get people will be annoyed cause King Crimson
12. Kate Bush - this should be her final nomination
13. Ian MacKaye
14. Snoop Dogg
15. Joe Tex
16. Steve Albini
17. Yoko Ono
18. Daniel Lanois
19. Philip Glass
20. Suicide (Alan Vega and Martin Rev)

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 03/10/2022 @ 21:17pm


I think that out of all of the acts that are on the previously considered list but haven't been nominated yet, I think that The B-52's, Bad Company, Black Flag, Joe Cocker, The Commodores (I think that Lionel Richie (solo and on his own) won't get inducted this year (let alone ever), so I think that they will try The Commodores next year and I think that they would be FYNs, as well as they should be), De La Soul, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jethro Tull, The Monkees, Sade, Sinead O'Connor, Pixies, Sonic Youth and Barry White stand the best chances of getting nominated eventually.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/11/2022 @ 00:04am


I have a list of suggestions for Musical Excellence like others here

Fela Kuti
King Crimson
Kate Bush
Rory Gallagher
Hubert Sumlin
Warren Zevon
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Motorhead
Paul Rodgers
Eric B and Rakim
J Geils Band
Chaka Khan
The Meters
Herbie Hancock
John Scofield
.Johnny Winter
Richard Thompson
Glen Campbell
Ry Cooder
.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/11/2022 @ 03:17am


I know people say Chaka for AME 2022 but I feel like if Eric B and Rakim don't get it and Eminem goes in there will be outrage and disappointment. In articles discussing Eminem and the Hall, Rakim has come up a lot as THE rap snub and a lot of people seem to feel he and Eric B have been more wrongfully ignored than LL Cool J was. Other guys like KRS-One and Ice-T don't seem to conjure up this level of desire from hip hop heads and the press.

I think at least Rakim the safer bet for 2022 than Chaka but I can't help but feel there could be a snub here.

If I was predicting: Rakim, Fela Kuti (there's definitely a desire to get him in from both the Hall and press), Ronnie James Dio (should Priest miss to minimize Loudwire and Metal Sucks and all metalheads from attacking the Hall)

Posted by mat r on Friday, 03/11/2022 @ 07:54am


I think that these 10 acts have the best chance of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I just mentioned all have a real shot of getting in this year and These acts that I mentioned are the top contenders for going in this year. Those 10 acts stand the best chance of getting in this year.

New York Dolls, Kate Bush, Devo, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti all have little to no chance of getting in this year.

I really hope everyone is wrong about Lionel Richie getting inducted this year, I really hope he gets passed over because there are far more interesting acts on the ballot this year that are more deserving of induction than Lionel, As I've said it before, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year should have gone to either Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey as far as Pop Stars from the 80's and 90's go or Lionel's former group The Commodores because they're all much more deserving of an induction than Lionel on his own, I've said this before and I'll say it again, I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/11/2022 @ 11:55am


As a follow up to my AME question, do you guys think a band like Stone Roses could get in the future through AME?

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 03/11/2022 @ 17:20pm


Raichu,
Very nice question. I know Stones Roses. I own a couple tunes. Yes I do think Stones Roses could get in years from now through A Musical Excellence spot. . The band released their debut album, The Stone Roses, in 1989. The album was a breakthrough success for the band and received critical acclaim, many regarding it as one of the greatest British albums ever recorded. At this time the group decided to capitalise on their success by signing to a major label. They had some legal trouble culminating with the band signing with Geffen Records in 1991.Stone Roses then released their second album, Second Coming, in 1994, which was met with mixed reviews. I heard some tunes from that. They were key to 1990s British rock but have almost no chance in Performer category. I am not big on the 1990s brit rock but they helped they one of the best of this type. BUT It will take about 10 years. I like them better personally than the Very publicized Oasis. Oasis insulted the Beatles Stone Roses did Not. I love the Beatles too much to support Oasis. Stones Roses are veryy good. Someone could persecute me for an anti Oasis stance but this is about STONE Roses

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/12/2022 @ 03:29am


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., Ben, KING, Enig, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Nick B., Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Lax39, Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

What are your predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/12/2022 @ 12:27pm


Raichu

Regarding the stone roses i really don't see that happening for them or my bloody valentine or primal scream or blur or pulp. That whole uk alt scene wave after the smiths and new order was very big and pretty important but it's impact isn't as big as grunge or pop punk or industrial or techno or east coast and west coast rap or new jack swing and those are all very american genres. I think unless the hall adds an international music prize (which they should cause acts like serge Gainsbourg are pretty vital to rock outside of the us) the only reps for british rock from 1988 to 2000 will be radiohead, oasis, coldplay, damien albarn via ame and maybe chemical brothers.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/12/2022 @ 13:50pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, KING, Enig, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Nick B., Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Lax39, Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/12/2022 @ 20:10pm


Richie we've gone over this several times

Eminem
Dolly
Dionne
Lionel
Priest
Duran Duran
Pat or Beck

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 03/12/2022 @ 22:12pm


I think that these 10 acts have the best chance of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I just mentioned all have a real shot of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/12/2022 @ 22:20pm


Richie:

My SWAG (Scientific Wild-@$$ed Guess)

Eminem
Duran Duran
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton

If six, Rage Against the Machine

If seven, Eurythmics

Posted by Joe S. on Sunday, 03/13/2022 @ 01:13am


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, KING, Enig, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Nick B., Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Lax39, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

I think that these 10 acts have the best chance of getting in this year and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Those 10 acts that I just mentioned all have a real shot of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/13/2022 @ 22:02pm


Couple things. For the newer contributors of this board, Richie will ask this question about a zillion times leading up to the actual induction announcements. He doesn't mean anything aggravating by it, he's a good guy, but you will see his insatiable love of lists will be ever present.

Secondly, the Stone Roses have very limited exposure in the states. I will admit, the one song I knew of theirs when it came out is "Love Spreads", which sounded very 90s and very alternative to me. I should go back and research their past stuff, but haven't done so yet. I don't know if they would get any consideration more than other bands of the era, and admittedly, I can't offer a fully knowledgeable opinion on it, but the RRHOF loves niche acts from time to time, so it is possible.

Lastly, my predictions once more:

Duran Duran
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Eurythmics

I think there will be 6 and only 6. If there was 7, I'd put Judas Priest or Kate Bush on the list. The other acts have meritable arguments, but this isn't their year with this immensely talented list if only 6 go in.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 02:39am


Regarding the Stone roses I really don't see that happening for them that soon but eventually. or my bloody valentine or primal scream or blur or pulp. That whole UK alt scene wave after the smiths and new order was very big and pretty important but it's impact isn't as big as grunge or pop punk or industrial or techno or Rap or Newer Soul. I do agree BUT the suggestion is Stones Roses through AME. I think that's A Musical Excellence. What is the A with ME. Abbreviations drive me crazy at times.
What is AME? Someone tell me AME AME. I know ME. Musical Excellence. I think Stone Roses can be MUSICAL excellence. Primal Scream can also go to Musical Excellence. I think Musical Excellence went over the members here. ITs MUSICAL excellence.

Also here are my predictions. once more

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
The whole list is immensely talented generally speaking.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 03:10am


Ben,
AME is Award for Musical Excellence. Idk why people abbreviate it to that but they do.

Posted by Raichu on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 06:57am


K-Dawg,

I just wanted to ask you something: I think that you should take Lionel Richie out of your predictions for the 2022 inductees and add either Beck, Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, Rage Against The Machine or Dionne Warwick in his place in addition to having Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon on your prediction list for the 2022 inductees, because they're all much more of deserving of induction than Lionel on his own, As I've said it before, I just don't see him ever being inducted on his own, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan, Mariah Carey or even Celine Dion as far as Pop Stars from the 80's and 90's go or Lionel's former group The Commodores because they're all far more deserving of induction than Lionel on his own, I've said this before and I'll say it again, I think that when he gets in, it should and will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own, I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

Ben,

I just wanted to ask you something: I think that you should take Lionel Richie out of your predictions for the 2022 inductees and add either Beck, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick in his place in addition to having Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Judas Priest, Rage Against The Machine and Carly Simon on your prediction list for the 2022 inductees, because they're all much more of deserving of induction than Lionel on his own, As I've said it before, I just don't see him ever being inducted on his own, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan, Mariah Carey or even Celine Dion as far as Pop Stars from the 80's and 90's go or Lionel's former group The Commodores because they're all far more deserving of induction than Lionel on his own, I've said this before and I'll say it again, I think that when he gets in, it should and will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own, I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 09:37am


Richie, for the love of God, let it go on Lionel. You've said how you feel dozens and dozens of times. It was not Lionel's decision to be nominated as a solo artist and he should not be disqualified because you're upset the Commodores aren't included in his nomination. You should be critiquing the committee that made that decision. Lionel on his own is worthy and frankly overdue given how important he was to 80s popular music. Heck, he might even get inducted this year. Actually, he probably will.

Posted by JWC on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 10:13am


K-Dawg,

Richie so far has not been wrong in his tired statements. He said DMB and Fela would not get in and people doubted him. Now who has the last laugh? Unless Richie is wrong this year, his omens tend to stick and end up being correct. Plus listen to The Stone Roses, they are awesome and are integral to the BritPop movement.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 10:24am


Did you guys hear the news this morning? Dolly Parton has requested to be removed from consideration from the Rock Hall list this year, She bowed out of the race this morning, Here's what she had to say:

Dolly here! Even though I am extremely flattered and grateful to be nominated for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, I don't feel that I have earned that right. I really do not want votes to be split because of me, so I must respectfully bow out.

I do hope that the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame will understand and be willing to consider me again - if I'm ever worthy. This has, however, inspired me to put out a hopefully great rock 'n' roll album at some point in the future, which I have always wanted to do! My husband is a total rock 'n' roll freak, and has always encouraged me to do one. I wish all of the nominees good luck and thank you again for the compliment. Rock on!

So with that news this morning, Does that influence you guys's decision to take Dolly out of your predictions for the 2022 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 10:29am


My final predictions don't ask me about it again.

Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar

If 6: Carly Simon
If 7: Lionel Richie

Yes I think Lionel probably would be inducted this year like it or not. He's solo career has had a recent reevaluation and he still has Star power and respect.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 10:34am


If dolly has bowed out early enough i think carly has a real shot. Prior to this i thought carly was banking on her name and likability more than anything and sharing a lot of votes with dolly beck and lionel but if dolly is out then i think a lot of her votes go to carly.

The real question is if the hall counts votes for her already cast and if not how does that change things

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 10:53am


It's likely that the voting committee would go against Dolly's wishes & induct her anyway but it may be under a different category instead of performer. So with that said here's my final predictions.

Performers:
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
A Tribe Called Quest or Eurythmics (i picked either of them because most of the nominees are from the 60's & 70's & the Hall is trying to move on from that)

Early Influence:
Dolly Parton (Her only nomination)
John Coltrane
Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence:
MC5 (originally i put them for Early Influence but i switched them for Parton)
Chaka Khan
Lee "Scratch" Perry

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Barrett Strong & Norman Whitfield or Ashford & Simpson

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 11:24am


Anyone have any way too early predictions for 2023? Only reason I'm asking is because I've run out of stuff to talk about that isn't just repeating my inductee predictions.

Posted by Raichu on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 11:32am


Jordan Einstein,

Pretty spot on, but put Dolly in Musical Excellence. She seems to encapsulate everything in the music business. MC5 is more fit as an Early Influence.

Gonna update in case the Hall retracts:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Pat Benatar
Eurythmics

I think Tribe will most likely get in after OutKast. Though I am glad there is support for them. Kate Bush ironically benefits on a lack of woman ballot. I think the 70s will have a couple chances, but the 60s should be done. We spent WAY too much on that decade and by now we should consider acts in the late 70s to now at this point.

Musical Excellence:

Dolly Parton
Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye

Early Influence:

MC5
Big Mama Thornton
Joe Tex


AE:

Rick Rubin

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 11:40am


With Dolly's stunning announcement, I think Pat Benatar or Kate Bush will benefit most. It would also help the Eurythmics' chances.

What I feel they SHOULD do, since Dolly doesn't feel she wants to be in this year, is to replace her on the ballot with someone who was absolutely instrumental in the evolution or rock and roll, and has never gotten any recognition: Patsy Cline

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 12:19pm


When I mention Patsy Cline, I am saying someone similar in country roots...but one of the first major crossover artists between country and rock, if not the first

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 12:21pm


Sorry for the post after post after post, but there is a real chance the RRHOF will ignore her withdrawal and just put her in anyway, as well. They are hardheaded with their choices..

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 12:28pm


I think that with Dolly's stunning announcement today, I think that she will miss out on induction this year now, So my revised prediction for the 2022 inductees (I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year) is now:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Lionel Richie

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 12:43pm


I'm not sure what will happen with Dolly now. If it was up to me, I'd just leave her on the ballot and let the voters decide. She might just get in anyway. The fact that she is genuine in her request and the feelings behind it actually lend credence to her case for induction. It's one of the most "rock and roll" things she's done and just gives everyone another reason to love her. If I were a voter who was going to vote for Dolly, this wouldn't sway me away from it, unless the Rock Hall actually does remove her from the ballot.

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 13:25pm


I think the hall will leave her on the ballot, others have rejected or declined the hall and been left on in the past

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 13:57pm


Mat R,

I know, but the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, so I think that Dolly will miss out on induction this year now.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 14:00pm


Richie

I don't disagree with the vote but I'm just saying with the ballot. I don't think they'll mark her off the ballot or ignore votes for her.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 14:49pm


With Today's news about Dolly Parton bowing out of the Rock Hall race this year, What are your revised predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 14:56pm


One other thought...

If she IS inducted by votes, they'll put her in anyway. They don't care if the nominee wants to be there or not, as they've proven time and again. To remove her at this stage would decimate their algorithms, and they've made no announcements on their page as of yet to her request...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 15:26pm


K-Dawg,

but it feels like another Radiohead situation again this year with Dolly, so I now think that she'll miss out on induction this year.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 15:33pm


This to me doesn't feel like radiohead where at least colin said he was game or even todd and the sex pistols. Has anyone ever declined due to not feeling worthy of it?

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 15:41pm


Mat R,

https://www.mtv.com/news/1425988/ozzy-wants-sabbaths-name-removed-from-meaningless-hall-of-fame-ballot/

https://www.mtv.com/news/1425970/ozzy-tells-rock-hall-to-forget-about-black-sabbath/

There's one other person that has asked the Rock Hall to remove that act from consideration for induction into the Hall and that was Ozzy Osbourne back in 1999 and 2000 regarding Black Sabbath, Of course, Black Sabbath went in in 2006 after taking 8 nominations to get in.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 15:56pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Enig, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Johnny, Ian, Lax39, Joe S. and Mat R,

With Today's news about Dolly Parton bowing out of the Rock Hall race this year, What are your revised predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 17:02pm


K-Dawg, I agree with you. With Dolly pulling out, it definitely puts Pat Benatar past the line.
The other person it helps is Kate Bush. I do not see Eurythmics getting in before Kate Bush, Carly and Dionne do not really benefit.
Pat Benatar absolutely gets in this year.
50/50 Chance Kate Bush gets in now.

Posted by Country Rock on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 17:44pm


I didn't have Dolly Parton on my list of potential inductees and still think she wouldn't have made it, as I think many agree with Dolly, that, as talented as she is (and I think she's a heck of a songwriter and performer), she doesn't really belong in something called the Rock Hall, and, if the Hall changed its name to what it currently is, the Popular Music Hall of Fame to Include Anything Following Rock, there would be a large number of country stars that would probably deserve induction before her.

And, if the Rock Hall changed its name to the Popular Music Hall of Fame to Include Anything Following Rock, there would be a number of other genres that are currently not represented that ought to be, such as Easy Listening, Gospel, or Jazz. One could make very strong cases for Andre Crouch, the Carpenters, or even Barry Manilow (and Miles Davis would be a lock.)

I think her demurring on the nomination makes the other female artists on the long list somewhat more likely to be inducted.

So, my revised predictions for induction include the following locks:

Eminem
Duran Duran

If five are inducted, then:

Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Judas Priest

And if 7,

Kate Bush (who continues to do well in the fan vote)
A Tribe Called Quest.

Dolly's withdrawal would make Carly Simon a spoiler. Beck is a spoiler, too.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 18:48pm


K-Dawg, thanks for inviting me to express my opinion. Said opinion hasn't changed much; I think most of those who are eligible to vote, and intend to vote, have already voted. The ones who haven't, however, may shake things up.

My original prediction:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton

If six, Rage Against the Machine

If seven, Eurythmics

My revised opinion:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Carly Simon
Rage Against the Machine

If six, Dolly Parton--assuming the Hall doesn't honor her request to be included, and that she still gets on 50% of the ballots.

If seven, Eurythmics or Dionne Warwick.

Posted by Joe S. on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 19:13pm


If the Hall Honors Dolly's wish of not wanting to be inducted, I think this might increase the chances of another industry favorite on the ballot: Beck.

I have him borderline in the last month, but I think he might have a chance.

Here's who I think will get inducted:

Beck
Duran Duran
Eminem
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Fighting for that 6th slot:

Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Dionne Warwick

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 19:47pm


Richie, K-Dawg, and everyone else

My predictions once more:

Eminem
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar
Rage Against The Machine
Duran Duran
Eurythmics

Dark Horses: Dionne Warwick, Kate Bush, Beck (possible 7)

Going by Richie's omens that Lionel will not get in. So far he has been right on two previous occasions. And my take is that Lionel Richie is easily outclassed by everyone except Benatar in terms of cases. Everyone else just has more vibrant and compelling body of work compared to Lionel. Yes, he has a Diamond record, but does that really matter? I thought sales were not a thing apparently they are. So yeah, while some may seem tired of his repetitive statements, he has yet to be wrong and will get the last laugh once again for this (Big IF). Richie, if you are reading this I'm still your friend and though you can get annoying, I feel your statements that got you ridiculed in the past should be taken more seriously.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 20:07pm


With Today's news about Dolly Parton bowing out of the race this year, I think that the 2022 inductees will now be (I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year and it'll come from out of these 9 acts):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of those 9 acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 21:58pm


God Bless Dolly Parton for pulling out of nomination consideration and understanding that this Hall is not an appropriate location for her talents. Until this Hall's name is changed to the Music Hall of Fame, most post 50's country and R&B, in addition to most rap acts should not be preceding the entry of amazing, deserving rock legends like REO Speedwagon and Blue Oyster Cult to the Hall! Thank you.

Posted by Bob on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 22:28pm


Plebeian

I want to take a moment to point something out here, it's not meant as a shot at you but you have a great quote for this.

" Everyone else just has more vibrant and compelling body of work compared to Lionel." Ok...but Lionel has written more number one singles on his own than anyone else in history, with the exception of Diane Warren who has written as many. I feel this fact is easily being forgotten in all this. We can rag on how he's not an interesting artist but it's important that we remember we're basically talking about the Jeff Koons of pop here. Lionel Richie is pretty legitimately a pop music genius when it comes to the delivery hits and that matters heavily.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 03/14/2022 @ 22:30pm


Carly Simon- not really
Lionel Richie- not really
Devo- Please oh please!
A Tribe Called Quest- hell no!
New York Dolls- go ahead
Eurythmics- yes please!
Pat Benatar- Please oh please!
Dolly Parton- Please oh please!
Dionne Warwick- don't care
Kate Bush- don't care
Fela Kuti- don't care
Duran Duran- sure
MC5- not really
Judas Priest- Please oh please!
Eminem- Hell no!
Rage Against the Machine- maybe
Beck- sure

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 00:52am


Even though Dolly Parton has graciously requested to be removed from the Rock Hall Nominee's list, I still think
that she stands a good chance of being inducted. In a statement that I had made many years ago, I had stated that once most of the major "prog" acts had been inducted, the Rock Hall would start to focus of country and crossover country artists. By the way, I still stand behind that statement.

With this in mind, these are the artists who I think should be inducted into the 2022 Class of the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame:

Duran Duran
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Eurythmics

If 8, either Beck, or Dionne Warwick.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 02:51am


Even though Dolly Parton has graciously requested to be removed from the Rock Hall Nominee's list, I still think
that she stands a good chance of being inducted. The fact that she is inspired to create a Rock and Roll album just makes her upcoming induction that much more appropriate.


In a statement that I had made many years ago, I had stated that once most of the major "prog" acts had been inducted, the Rock Hall would start to focus on country and crossover country artists. By the way, I still stand behind that statement.

With this in mind, these are the artists who I think should be inducted into the 2022 Class of the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame:

Duran Duran
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Eurythmics

If 8, either Beck, or Dionne Warwick.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 02:58am


mat r,
This is coming from a Very long time Veteran Rock fan. That's what I am. I still agree with you. It's not all that fair for Pleabian to say Everyone else just has more vibrant and compelling body of work compared to Lionel. Even though I will always say The Who, Eric Clapton, REM and Yes have very vibrant and compelling bodies of work as examples of my Rock favorites. I also feel everyone from Michael Jackson, Madonna to Journey, Def Leppard, Doobie Brothers have a vibrant and compelling body of work. And so does Lionel Richie. Sales and hits have always been an important factor, This totally supports you. Lionel Richie is in fact a pop music genius. I did Not actively listen to his hits during the 80s but I always knew he was a famous creative star. Thumbs up to what you say

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 03:10am


The Hall of Fame should be an award, not an invitation.

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 03:45am


It will be interesting to see what happens with Dolly in the various voting polls. She's currently top five on the RockHall fan vote and on this site's fan votes as well. She's also tied for the lead on the Ballot Tracker. We'll see if those positions change in the coming days and weeks.

Posted by Michael W. on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 07:17am


RG, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Casper, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, Johnny, Ian, Lax39 and Mat R,

With Yesterday's news about Dolly Parton bowing out of the race this year, What are your revised predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 10:00am


With Yesterday's news about Dolly Parton bowing out of the race this year, I now think that she will miss out on induction this year, so here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 10:00am


If the news would effect Dolly's chances here's my revised predictions.

Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
Eminem

If 6. Rage Against the Machine
If 7. Eurythmics

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 11:16am


With dolly out I'm thinking Eminem, Duran Duran, Dionne, Judas Priest, Lionel, and Carly become safe bets. I also think Dolly's would be votes will be spilt among Carly, Lionel, and Beck due to them being all well liked people who are also songwriters and reflect other elements of dolly such as genre and diversity elements which will kill Pat and Eurythmics' chances. I also think she has enough votes cast for her already to maybe prevent beck from going in.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 11:51am


Also i think we could see some of the dolly votes become reflections of dolly votes where it's like "who would dolly vote for?" And in that case you know beyond lionel, carly and beck you could see priest, tribe, kuti, bush do a lot better

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 11:57am


Mat R,

I just don't think that Lionel is a safe bet, I think that voters will look at him and go, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores than on his own, I think that there are other Pop Stars from that era that are far more worthy and that are much more deserving of induction than Lionel like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan and Mariah Carey, All of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel on his own, As I've said it before, I just don't see him ever being inducted on his own, I think that when he gets in, it should and it will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own, I've said this before and I'll say it again, I think that he stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

Also, With Yesterday's news about Dolly Parton bowing out of the race this year, I think that the 2022 inductees will now be (I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year and it'll come from out of those 9 acts):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of those 9 acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 12:16pm


Richie

I have to ask you keep saying "he needs the commodores" and i have to ask why? Why?

He has a legacy that far exceeds them by quite a bit. Again he's a pop songwriting genius who has very successfully operated in rnb, adult contemporary, and freaking country music as well. The hall very much focuses on legacy and lionel's legacy is massive and can reflect commodores but commodores can't reflect his much like how velvet underground didnt reflect lou reed's extended legacy or sabbath with ozzy (which is somewhat controversial). So why would they induct commodores over richie, when they couldn't even do chic?

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 13:55pm


Considering their spotty record with r&b lately how could Commodores have a better chance than Lionel on his own? In recent years every time any classic r&b groups get on the ballot they don't make it in. What makes you think it would be different for them?

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 14:50pm


Mat R,

but Lionel needs The Commodores to go in with him, I think that The Commodores are much more deserving of induction than Lionel on his own and they had a solid catalog of hits to go along with it, plus Lionel's best work was with The Commodores and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some may have been huge hits, were average in quality at best, so yeah, I think that The Commodores should have been nominated this year instead of Lionel solo.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 14:53pm


Greg F,

I think that The Commodores would have a better chance than Lionel on his own because they're much more deserving of induction than Lionel on his own, plus I feel that they, along with Kool & The Gang, would be the only R&B acts from the 70's and 80's that I think would get in FYN, because I feel that both The Commodores and Kool & The Gang would do better with voters than Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan, The Spinners, War, The Marvelettes, Joe Tex, etc. so that's why I feel that The Commodores should have been nominated this year instead of Lionel on his own.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 15:01pm


Richie

But none of that is a reason. The hall isn't big on inducting rnb acts atm but they do like accomplished solo acts. Almost every song people think of when it comes to lionel richie is a lionel richie song not a commodores one. Richie sold way way way more records solo and in the age of poptimism the reaction to his solo stuff has been a lot warmer (he's pitchfork approved!) and he's proved quite influential when we look at the poppier side of rnb and shifts than have happened in country music.

He's also actively campaigning in a way that isn't cringe, having a killer year, and on top of that his biggest competition for votes just bowed out.

I'm sorry but your logic here for rating him unlikely makes little sense. Like the arguement seems to be "he corny" but Whitney houston just went in and she's pretty corny too. Pretty much all your alternates (who i will say are all pretty solid picks and should be nominated soon but alas are not nominated in 2022) are also pretty freaking corny.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 15:28pm


Mat R,

Yeah, you're right about Lionel, I'm having second thoughts about him now, I actually now think he has a real chance especially with Dolly bowing out, so here's my revised prediction on who I think will be inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year) is:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Rage Against The Machine, Beck, Dionne Warwick

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 15:35pm


Richie,

After I defended your butt, you caved in. I thought you had a total backbone man.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 16:30pm


Plebeian,

Even with Dolly bowing out, I still think that Lionel won't get in this year (let alone ever) on his own, I think that the 2022 inductees will be (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Beck, Dionne Warwick

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 16:51pm


What would be your dream class? Mine would be

Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
A Tribe Called Quest
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
Rage Against the Machine
Devo
Beck

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 17:20pm


One of the Dolly aticles mentioned that the last class was a success.

The Dude is so pathetic. He can't admit he's wrong. I'm glad he hasn't been showing up and impersonating people.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 19:47pm


RG, Michael W., K-Dawg, Casper, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, Johnny, Ian and Lax39,

With Yesterday's news about Dolly Parton bowing out of the race this year, What are your revised predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 21:56pm


Greg F

Dream Class

Performers
- Kate Bush
- Rage Against the Machine
- Beck
- New York Dolls
- A Tribe Called Quest
- Eminem
- Judas Priest

Award for Musical Excellence (NOTE: I like the idea of keeping this for sidemen and individuals for the most part, something about a band, not counting backing bands or duos, getting it doesn't sit well with me)
- Fela Kuti
- Rakim
- Chaka Khan

Early Influence
- John Coltrane
- Steppenwolf
- Wendy Carlos

Ahmet Ertegun Award
- Annie Nightingale
- Bob Ezrin
- Hype Williams

I want a big class

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 22:51pm


Did you guys know? Two of this year's nominees (Lionel Richie and Carly Simon) both went into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in the same year (28 years ago in 1994), so history could repeat itself 28 years later.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/15/2022 @ 23:51pm


Am I the only one who's annoyed at the comparisons between Dolly bowing out and Todd Rundgren last year. Todd expressed a disdain for the RockHall itself and the whole idea behind it and said he wouldn't participate, but never asked to be removed from consideration. Dolly asked to be removed only because she felt she didn't belong, not because of any animosity or negative thoughts about the RockHall. In fact she indicated her respect for the institution and what it represents. She also never said she wouldn't show up if inducted. The two instances are totally different in my eyes.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 08:52am


Adore Dolly, though her stance is kinda silly. Has she not seen the nominees and inductees through the years? "Rock and roll" is an umbrella phrase. it's also a sensibility, not just a sound. Plus, it just sounds better than "Music Hall of Fame."

I hope she is inducted, regardless.

Posted by JR on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 11:14am


With Monday's news about Dolly Parton bowing out of the race this year, I think that the 2022 inductees (I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year) will now be:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Beck, Dionne Warwick

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 11:43am


Richie

I don't think both rage and priest go in. Both are metal acts and you yourself have stress the anti metal bias as having you iffy on priest.

Both should go in but same year feels unlikely

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 14:44pm


Well, first of all, I respect Dolly Parton for saying she wants to withdraw herself from induction consideration for the R & R Hall of Fame. I'm personally a little sad, especially since I was rooting for her to be inducted. However, I can never accuse Dolly of not being a good person. Dolly Parton's a real class act. I hope she stays that way, now and forever.

Okay, NOW let me get to Part 2. I have to say…I hope Dolly's self withdrawal opens the door for both Pat Benatar & Judas Priest. I was very fortunate to have seen Patti B. perform live, with, of course, Neil Giraldo. P.S. She's still great.

And as for Judas Priest — it's ridiculous for the Hall to have kept Judas Priest out for so long. Judas Priest is one of the greatest heavy metal bands of all time. And if you really think Rob Halford & Company don't deserve their day in the sun…You've Got Another Thing Coming!

Posted by Johnny on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 15:28pm


Mat R,

This weekend, Dionne Warwick was on Andy Cohen's show Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen and here's what she had to say about her nomination this year and if she gives a damn about being inducted:

No, I don't, I'm not a rock and roller, I've been interviewed on this subject many times. The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame as I grew to know it many years ago was specifically for 'rock and roll' acts... I feel now, especially with Dolly Parton being nominated, which I'm thrilled for her about, they should rename the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame to the Music Hall of Fame."

With Dolly bowing out of the race this year on Monday, Do you think that Dionne's comments about the Rock Hall will hurt her chances of getting in this year?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 15:56pm


Richie

I don't know if it'll negatively impact her nomination but i think stuff like her comments, dolly dropping out, and comment made by priest's guitarist will impact how the hall goes forward.

Dave Faulkner of Priest (who I don't think is personally nominated) said the following: "I think it was a classy move, really. I think she recognizes her brand, and it didn't necessarily fit into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. And I think it raises questions to what the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame's brand is as well."

That's totally true. In recent years the Hall has shifted and it's tried to frame it as being about "music of youth" but in a lot of ways acts like Dolly and Dionne even Whitney, Carly, and Lionel really reflect that mind set and with Dolly withdrawing and saying "I don't feel I reflect your vision" draws a massive light in what the Hall is meant to represent and it isn't just "old white guys" complaining about rap music.

I'm curious if this results in change in direction next year.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 17:35pm


mat r,
You make an excellent point about Award for Musical Excellence. My Performer Inductee list stays the same. The big Dolly Parton announcement does Not Affect me. I never predicted her.
But I looked up all Musical Excellence inductees. There has Never been bands for AME. It's always been sidemen and individuals. So I now change the AME list
Musical Excellence

Rakim
Johnny Winter
Chaka Khan

Early Influence

John Coltrane
Gram Parsons
Dionne Warwick

Ahmet Ertegun Award

Bob Ezrin

I have to look into this award much more
But I agree with Musical Excellence

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 17:42pm


Disappointed about this, as I was very excited for her induction, though I'm fascinated to see what happens now. I think that ASSUMING that the Hall respects Dolly's decision (which is by no means a guarantee), here's what happens:

Eminem is still a lock. Duran Duran is still very likely. Beyond that, this class is very competitive. I think that Carly Simon and Lionel Richie both have a very good shot of making it (richie, I do not want to hear it.), especially Carly Simon, who may pick up a lot of votes from people who had planned on voting for Dolly. I'll have to think on it more, but the last two slots (assuming 6) feel wide open to me. I think that Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Race Against the Machine, Dionne Warwick, and Beck all have a reasonably good shot at filling those last two slots.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 17:55pm


RG,

I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year, I think that the 2022 inductees will be (and it'll come from out of those 9 acts):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of those 9 acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

I honestly feel that Lionel Richie's spot on the ballot this year should have went to either Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because all of the names that I just mentioned are much more deserving of induction as far as Pop Stars from the 80's and 90's go than Lionel and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 18:43pm


Rg

Agree about simon. I think the dolly votes will mainly go between simon, richie, and Beck with simon getting the biggest piece of the pie. I actually think it makes pat Benatar and maybe eurythmics extremely vulnerable

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 19:17pm


Official ballots are due back on Friday, April 29, The same day that the fan vote ends, so we'll probably get the announcement of the 2022 inductees in the first week of May.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/16/2022 @ 19:40pm


"The Hall of Fame should be an award, not an invitation."

Garrus' best and most insightful line ever. And obviously, I feel he's right. This is why I think that Dolly well may be inducted, and if she doesn't show, that's not a great surprise. I'm not predicting her, but stranger things have happened. (Stevie Nicks being inducted comes to mind).

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 03:07am


Richie,
If the ballots are due back by then, since things like to drag out, I'd put the announcements closer to the middle or end of May.

My previous choices for induction stand:

Eminem
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Lionel Richie
Eurythmics
Carly Simon
if 7, Judas Priest

If Dolly's dropout is certain and they verify it, then:
Eminem
Duran Duran
Lionel Richie
Eurythmics
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
if 7, Rage Against the Machine

Why do I flip flop on Priest? I feel if Pat Benatar gets the nod, the rest of the rock votes will split and Priest had the advantage; as Pat becomes sympathetic to female rock fans, Rage moves up with their fanbase. I don't know if that makes sense, but call it a hunch. And they are close enough to "metal" (rap metal/nu metal) that they may suck up any momentum generated by the rock fans eager to see their genre represented. Either way, it's an uphill climb for JP as the vote goes on, I feel

Any feedback is welcomed

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 03:17am


Even though Dolly Parton has graciously requested to be removed from the Rock Hall Nominee's list, I still think
that she stands a good chance of being inducted. The fact that she is inspired to create a Rock and Roll album just makes her upcoming induction that much more appropriate.


In a statement that I had made many years ago, I had stated that once most of the major "prog" acts had been inducted, the Rock Hall would start to focus on country and crossover country artists. By the way, I still stand behind that statement.

With this in mind, these are the artists who I think should definitely be inducted into the 2022 Class of the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame:

Duran Duran
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Eurythmics

If 8, either Beck, or Dionne Warwick, or perhaps Kate Bush.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 03:58am


I rather see Pat Benatar and Dolly in over Judas Priest in because of that guitarist's ignorant comments about "spawning the genre of rock and roll". Say what? LOL

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 09:46am


With the news about Dolly Parton bowing out of the race this year a few days ago on Monday, Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 11:34am


Every year I have to hear the same damn arguments over and over about what's rock and roll or not that I have become numb to the topic. I'm just glad the Hall is willing to acknowledge these acts in the first place. We would still be stuck with 60s acts and a couple of off-shoots then and there.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 11:34am


Even though the Rock Hall announced today that Dolly is staying on the ballot this year, I still think that she won't get in this year now, so once again, Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 12:35pm


The rock purists don't give up. I know we laugh at them and their myopic view on the genre considering they don't understand what "and roll" means, but the thing that gets me is these fools that post EVERY single artist that has a song they hear on their classic rock station playlist should be there over legends like BB King, James Brown and Chuck Berry even. Contrary to what some of these guys think, the Beatles didn't create rock and roll. It has its roots far, far before that, and they simply turned it into guitar rock, which they feel is the beginning and ending of rock and roll music. Fortunately, over the years, they have shrunk into their own sad little niche, and there they sit. In 5 years, they may be just the old man yelling at the cloud.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 13:03pm


Even though the Rock Hall announced today that Dolly Parton is staying on the ballot this year despite her bowing out of the race this year a few days ago on Monday, Are you guys sticking with your revised predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 13:28pm


Richie,

I can see the Hall respect her wishes enough to put her in a side category. Remain on the ballot and unclog a space for a potential 7th or 8th place finisher from voters.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 13:48pm


If Dolly gets the votes, then the Hall will induct her. I don't think they'll bother playing games with side categories. She may or may not show up but they'll go with what the voters vote for. On the other hand, if she doesn't get the votes, then the side categories are in play.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 14:22pm


Dolly should have just allowed the voting to play out. Say she's indeed Inducted...Dolly wouldn't have to attend. We have seen plenty of inducted musicians not attend. Old Age, Scheduling Difficulties, Don't Want To Attend etc. I hope she is inducted anyway. Her Induction would be a good sign for future country acts to be inducted. Alabama should have already been Inducted. Garth Brooks is probably a lock. I think he's 1 of the biggest selling artists not already inducted. Shania Twain had an incredible run in the 1990's early 2000's . Brooks & Dunn should be Inducted. There's plenty of other country artists as well. If Rap and Pop artists with limited Rock & Roll definition are earning Induction, country artists should also be inducted. Especially country music groups that use the traditional guitars, bass, singer, and drums we see in rock groups. Also, the more "uptempo country" we have seen in the 1990's and 2000's. Alabama needs to be inducted. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 15:27pm


RG, Greg F, K-Dawg, John R.C., Johnny, Joe S. and Mat R,

Even though the Rock Hall announced today that Dolly Parton is staying on the ballot this year despite her bowing out of the race this year a few days ago on Monday, Are you guys sticking with your revised predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 15:29pm


Richie, let me tell you the 3 performers I wanna see inducted most, in no particular order:

1: Pat Benatar
2: Judas Priest
3: Eurythmics, because I also have lots of love for Annie Lennox

Beyond that? Pick whoever you want. I don't care who anymore.

Posted by Johnny on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 16:12pm


I think dolly's already cast votes combined with who ever decides to vote for her still will create a 5 wayish tie for 6th and 7th between herself, beck, pat, eurythmics, and carly which the hall will feel is too close to call thus causing a 5 person class of lionel, dionne, duran duran, eminem, judas priest

Oddly i think dolly's move will cause what she wanted to avoid

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 16:14pm


Mat R,

I just can't see the Rock Hall only inducting five this year, No way that they only induct five this year, I think that there'll be either 6 or 7 inductees this year, As well as they should. and I also just can't see the Rock Hall only inducting one woman this year, I really can't, I think that they'll induct 3-4 women this year, As well as they should.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 16:35pm


Once upon a time Long long ago. Johnny Cash was inducted. He was inducted early in the 1990s alongside JIMI Hendrix. In those days I never watched it yet but I listened to the highlights of that Ceremony. I recall Hearing part of the Johnny Cash speech. It's about 30 years ago. He is a COUNTRY act. It never happened since. DOLLY Parton I think will miss due to mere competition with Carly Simon, Pat Benatar and Eminem at the same time. That's
3 of my predictions. You can scroll up to last week for my FULL list. NEVER considered DOLLY but Eminem is certainly on my Prediction list

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 16:43pm


I think the true indicator on who will get inducted this year is the new Rock Hall Ballot tracker from FRL, Here's the current vote totals so far (from 7 public ballots so far with many more to come):

On 5 ballots and at 71.43% are Duran Duran and Eminem.
On 4 ballots and at 57.14% is Dolly Parton
On 3 ballots and at 42.86% are Pat Benatar, Fela Kuti and A Tribe Called Quest.
On 2 ballots and at 28.57% are Eurythmics, Judas Priest and MC5.
On 1 ballot and at 14.29% are Devo, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick.
On zero ballots so far are Beck and Kate Bush.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 16:52pm


Genuine Question: What do you think of the chances of A Tribe Called Quest getting inducted this year?

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 16:52pm


John R.C.,

I think A Tribe Called Quest has little to no chance of getting in this year, especially not with Eminem on the same ballot, I think that there are other Rap/Hip-Hop acts that are much bigger names will get in before them like Eminem, OutKast, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Salt-N-Pepa and Missy Elliott (who becomes eligible next year).

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 16:58pm


John RC

I think they're an uncertainty. Normally the Hall has a hard time with hip hop but oddly i think some voters might not want Eminem to go in alone for the optics and i think some might pick them over Eminem cause "they're the better act". No idea how many voters will fall into those camps in addition to those who just like tribe. It's probably the biggest x factor.

Either way, i feel certain someone be it tribe as a performer or krs one as an influence or rakim as musical excellence or sean combs as Non-Performer will join Eminem this class.

Richie

I agree under normal circumstances but with this dolly thing i can see her taking 6th place and them respecting her wishes. If that happens i don't see them inducting who came 7th let alone 8th.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 17:18pm


Mat R,

but I do think that if they respect Dolly's wishes, I think that they'll induct who came in 7th and 8th place in the voting tally, As well as they should.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 17:21pm


Mat R,

Eric Tompkins said this on Thursday, 2.3.2022 @ 16:50pm.

There may be a bit of a backlash against Lionel being inducted. Don't really understand why the Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with the Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some may have been huge hits, were average in quality at best.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 17:42pm


My ideal class:

Eminem (Of course)
Pat Benatar (Guilty Pleasure)
Judas Priest (Metal Love)
Rage Against The Machine (Act I am actually passionate about)
Duran Duran (Soft spot because of my Dad and I like them)
Kate Bush (Love outsiders and it would be nice if the Hall recognize those not that commercially successful)


Not doing side categories this time as the blurring between the main performers and the side ones infuriates to no end.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 19:29pm


Richie

It is possible they'd skip dolly if she came 6th and induct #7 but i don't think they would.

Honestly if that situation came up i think they'd give #7 the award for musical excellence to let dolly know she would have been inducted

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 21:58pm


Mat R,

I know that this will be controversial, but I think that Lionel Richie's spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to Celine Dion because she has far more solid credentials than Lionel, Yes, I know that she's not a critical favorite by any means, but you can't deny her massive record sales and global popularity, Here's some of her accomplishments:

She's won 5 Grammy Awards, 20 JUNO Awards, 45 ADISQ/Felix Awards, 5 American Music Awards, 1 People's Choice Award, 7 Billboard Music Awards, 12 World Music Awards, 3 Golden Globes and 2 Oscars.

She's the world's best-selling female artist of all-time with nearly 300 million records sold.

She received the Order of Canada in 2013 and an honorary degree from Berklee College of Music last year in 2021.

She has been inducted into Canada's Walk of Fame, the Canadian Association of Broadcasters Hall of Fame and has received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

She was honored with the Diamond Award in 2004 in recognition as the world's best-selling female artist of all-time and in 2007, She was honored with the Legend Award for Outstanding Contribution to Music at the World Music Awards.

She was honored with the Billboard Icon Award in 2016 at the Billboard Music Awards just four months after her husband Rene Angelil's death and gave an emotional speech that night.

She has headlined two sold-out residency shows at The Colosseum at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas, the first being A New Day from March 25, 2003-December 15, 2007 and then Celine from March 15, 2011-June 8, 2019. for 13 non-consecutive years, she became the Queen of Las Vegas with her legendary performances there in Vegas.

Her 2008-2009 Taking Chances World Tour is the third highest-grossing tour ever by a Female Artist behind only Madonna with her MDNA and Sticky & Sweet Tours.

She has had 12 Top 10 Albums (including 5 #1 Albums) on the Billboard 200 chart, has had 10 Top 10 Hits (including 4 #1 Hits) on the Billboard Hot 100 chart and has had 21 Top 10 Hits (including 11 #1 Hits) on the Adult Contemporary chart.

So all in all, she has had more credentials and should have been nominated this year over than Lionel Richie (solo) IMO, Plus, Celine has had some health issues over the past year with her severe and persistent muscle spasms that has forced her to postpone her upcoming residency show at Resorts World in Las Vegas and cancel the remaining dates of the North American leg of her Courage World Tour, and there seems to be an urgency to get people that are not in good health nominated and inducted before they pass away, so I think that she should have been nominated this year as the Pop Music Icon from the 80's and 90's over Lionel Richie (solo), The one thing that has hold her back is she still hasn't been inducted into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame at The JUNO Awards in Canada, so she probably won't get nominated for the Rock Hall until she gets into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame first, but I think that following Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston and Tina Turner's inductions in the last three years (2019, 2020 and 2021), I think that she should have been nominated this year as the big Pop Music Icon from the 80's and 90's over Lionel Richie (solo) IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/17/2022 @ 22:29pm


Richie

That feels like a troll but I'll engage in good faith

No and I don't think this is gatekeeping genre but about, as Ice Cube put it, sprit. Rock N Roll is a spirit of rebelion of youth, energy and Celine truth be told does not reflect that. A lot of people from that easy listening space don't. It's a space designed for the office, for the waiting room, for the mature, the conservative. The hall has flirted with it (Whitney Houston, Rod Stewart, Paul Simon this year with Lionel, Dionne, and Carly) but those that have gone in and been put forward have histories in that youth focused space (whether it's Whitney with dance or Lionel with funk and his MTV hits) or made groundbreaking music for adults (if you recall Joe Strummer called Simon's "Graceland" the first rock album for adults that was good and had anything to say).

Celine doesn't have that period, her early Quebec years were filled with easy pop and then she hooked up with David Foster, and as a result I think she makes no sense in the Hall. I'd argue her influences like Barbra Streisand, rivals like Shania Twain, and her spiritual successors like Michael Buble are all better candidates than her because they either were somewhat counter or youth culture in a way (Streisand should be way more discussed as the feminist icon who broke and took over Hollywood, Broadway, and the record industry than she is) or try to merge the paths between adult pop and youth music ("Haven't Met You Yet").

There a certainly other genres with this issue (country music, a lot of jazz), is aggressively conservative and mature in a way makes it very hard to cross the bridge into being spiritually "rock n roll"

Posted by mat r on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 00:06am


^ I have often thought of Adele as Celine Dion's true successor- a woman singing ballads who's albums sell by the bucketload.

Posted by Henry on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 00:12am


^ I have often thought of Adele as Celine Dion's true successor- a woman singing ballads who's albums sell by the bucketload.

Posted by Henry on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 00:12am


Mat R,

but I respectfully disagree about Celine, IMO, As the most successful and popular artist of the 90's, She is the most commercially successful and popular recording artist of that decade, Bigger than Garth Brooks, Bigger than Mariah Carey, Celine helped defined a decade in Pop Music, Celine defined her time period/era in Pop Music much more than Lionel did, so I feel that she should have been nominated this year instead of Lionel, No one in any style of music sold more albums in the 1990's than Celine did, Not Garth Brooks, Not Mariah Carey, Celine is the biggest star of the 90's in all genres of music, Without her, There would be no Adele if it wasn't for Celine, so following the inductions of Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston and Tina Turner the last three years, I feel that she should have been nominated this year as not only the big Female act in addition to the other women that are nominated this year but also as the big Pop Music Icon from the 80's and 90's instead of Lionel IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 00:22am


richie,

Celine Dion lacks sprit. Rock N Roll is a spirit of rebelion of youth, energy and Celine really does not reflect that. A lot of people from that easy listening genre don't. It's a space designed for the office, for the stores, for the older people and the conservative.
Whitney Houston, Rod Stewart, Paul Simon this year with Lionel, Dionne, and Carly but those that have gone in and been considered have histories in that youth focused zone. There is Whitney with Dance and R&B and there is Lionel also with R& B as well as his MTV hits. In some cases the mellow artists made groundbreaking music for adults. I would call Carole King's Tapestry an earlier Rock album for adults. She hooked up with David Foster one of the key producers for easy listening music. So I agree with mat r it makes no sense.

Celine Dion doesn't have any of that.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 02:52am


Celine Dion isn't touching the Hall of Fame anytime soon. When I think of her, I think Barbara Streisand, Bette Midler--women who are great singers, but even if they dabble in the pop music genre, they are not considered instrumental to the success of rock and roll. Is that fair? It's a judgement call. However, Whitney, Janet and Tina, all recent inductees, identify more along the lines of Mariah Carey, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Rihanna, Beyonce, TLC, En Vogue, even the Spice Girls. These are the women of the 90s and 00s who are going to get looks long before Celine Dion (and even then, the Spice Girls are added for effect)

Lionel Richie is a gifted songwriter and singer. The Commodores should be in, like the Spinners, the Meters, the Ohio Players, Kool and the Gang, the Pointer Sisters, yes, the Hall has dropped the ball and kicked it 400 feet away when it comes to honoring 70s R&B/funk acts. However, I will take Lionel Richie, who is worthy with OR without his group that he emerged from. The Hall is going to cherry pick the biggest stars of the 80s this time I feel, and Lionel belongs with that elite group

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 04:57am


Henry

Yea but the difference is adele wrote and recorded 21 which is a deeply angry and youthful record. "Rolling in the Deep", "Rumour Has It" and "Someone like You" is quite influential on what followed with Lorde, Mitski, Taylor Swift, Haim, even Beyonce. Yes "Hello" could be a Celine song but 21 is something so far removed for Celine.

Based on that I'd say Adele followed Amy Winehouse more than Celine

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 08:33am


K-Dawg, Ben and Mat R,

I have to respectfully disagree with you guys about Celine, IMO, She's the #1 artist of the 1990's overall and She sold more albums during that decade than any other artist in all genres of music, Yep, You guessed it, She sold more albums than both Garth Brooks and Mariah Carey during that decade, so based on that, I feel that should have been nominated this year as the next big can't-miss Female act following Joan Baez, Nina Simone, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Tina Turner and Carole King in addition to the other Female acts that are nominated this year and also as the next big Pop Music Icon from the 80's and 90's following Janet, Whitney and Tina this year over Lionel Richie (solo) IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 09:25am


Richie

That really doesn't matter at all. Her fellow quebecer leonard cohen next to no albums and got in. Know why? Cause there are other factors at play than just who sold records.

Also why not talk about how her numbers, and most others in the easy listening space, died after the easy listening format of radio fell out of favour in offices? Cause they did. Her lasting popular legacy is mostly just "my heart will go on" and las vegas despite all the records she sold. Canadaland deep a bit of a deep dive on her and concluded she has no real lasting impact on music outside of those and her meme status.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 09:43am


Mat R,

But it does matter, I think that Celine really should have been nominated this year over Lionel Richie (solo), especially with her health issues over the past year with her severe and persistent muscle spasms, I feel that she should have been nominated this year as a sympathy vote because of it, I think that Celine has had a huge impact on the music industry over the past 40 years and her legacy will continue to grow, David Foster said years ago in a interview that every young singer he meets, They want to be Celine, Celine paved the way for acts like Christina Aguilera, Kelly Clarkson and of course, Adele, as far as big-voiced singers go, so Celine truly deserves induction into the Rock Hall, Her case is much stronger than Barbra Streisand and Bette Midler, so I feel that she should have been nominated this year over Lionel Richie (solo) IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 10:13am


Richie

It matters but only when you have other contributing factors (influence, legacy) and someone reflects spirit. Celine fails in every metric rather badly.

I'm sorry but you've kind of made all your opinions void here and your commenta about babs and bette show a real ignorance towards broadway and musical theatre if you think celine has a stronger case than either of them. The biggest theatre nerd in pop Lady gaga would probably tell you you have no idea what you're talking about.

Also canadaland mentioned foster's comments and stated it's mostly not the reality and remember most were clearly taking inspiration from whitney, madonna, mariah, and natalie cole.

Celine's real legacy is modern vegas and she shares that with britney spears but unlike Britney her musical legacy isn't hall worthy in any regard other tham she sold records to your parents and grandparents, which again isn't what rock n roll is meant to reflect.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 10:36am


Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot even though the Rock Hall announced yesterday that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot will really hurt her chances of getting in now, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own. That's all I'm gonna say about it.

The rest (New York Dolls, Kate Bush, Devo, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Fela Kuti) all have little to no chance of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 11:39am


Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest, New York Dolls, Kate Bush, Devo

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced yesterday that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

Lionel Richie stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own. That's all I'm gonna say about it.

MC5 and Fela Kuti both have little to no chance of getting in this year and both of them are gonna get backdoored via the side categories.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/18/2022 @ 23:47pm


So quiet here...have we run out of stuff to talk about already?

What's your favorite song from each nominee?

I'll post mine later when I have time

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 15:24pm


What are your way-too early predictions for the 2023 nominees (In case that we get 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 15:51pm


Richie

Not including any nominated this year

- King Crimson (doc just came out)
- Billy Idol
- blink-182
- Missy Elliott
- Pixies
- New Order/Joy Division
- War
- Iron Maiden
- Cyndi Lauper
- Tori Amos
- Wu-Tang Clan
- The Meters
- The Guess Who

2022 nominees I think will be on the ballot in 2023
- Beck
- Carly Simon
- Devo

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 19:24pm


Also richie

Of that crop I'd predict
- joy division/new order
- wu-tang clan
- pixies
- carly simon
- the meters
- the guess who

K-dawg I'll post my song list soon

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 19:34pm


RG, Greg F, K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, Donnie, remy10, John R.C., Johnny, Ian, JWC, Lax39 and Mat R,

Eric Tompkins said this on Thursday, 2.3.2022 @ 16:50pm.

There may be a bit of a backlash against Lionel being inducted. Don't really understand why the Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with the Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some may have been huge hits, were average in quality at best.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 20:27pm


A few thoughts on various 2022 nominees:

I think Dolly Parton will be inducted, despite her wishes. Most of the ballots have probably already been received, and the Hall has stated that it will not rescind its nomination. If she is inducted, she will assuredly graciously accept, though I have no idea if she would attend--much less perform at--the ceremony.

Judas Priest might have its best shot at being inducted. There are a few more hard (though not necessarily metal) acts that have recently been inducted--Nine Inch Nails, Def Leppard, Radiohead being among them. Many of the members of will probably vote for the hard rock acts that were familiar to them as they were coming up, and "You Got Another Thing Coming" and "Living After Midnight" were probably on their mix tapes.

Fela Kuti and MC5 make more sense as Musical Excellence or (Kraftwerk expanded) Early Influence recipients. I doubt that either have a broad enough audience now to make the Performer category. Then again, I thought the same of Nina Simone--but she wasn't on the ballot numerous times.

Pat Benatar (and Neil Girardo) have a decent shot--now--at making the cut. I am assuming that most of those who actually cast a ballot are the more recent inductees. With the recent addition of several women on the ballot, plus the number of classic rock acts inducted in the last seven or so years--many of whom probably toured with Benatar at one point or another--that might put her over the top.

The same is true, to a different extent, of Duran Duran. There are enough classic rock and enough progressive rock acts out there to make them almost a certainty. Assuming they vote. (The same could also be said--but to a much lesser extent, that they're nowhere near a lock--of the Eurythmics.)

The same is not quite as true for Carly Simon, and to an even lesser extent Dionne Warwick. I am sure Simon will have the support of most of the females recently inducted--Janet Jackson, Joan Baez, Carole King, Stevie Nicks, the Go-Go's--but with the exception of the last on that list, they are all just individual voters. (Again, I am assuming that the most recent inductees are the ones most likely to actually vote.) If she has the support of other classic rock contemporaries, and less recent female inductees that also vote (maybe, say, Linda Ronstadt, Ann and Nancy Wilson, Joan Jett, Debbie Harry, Chrissie Hynde, Agnetha Faltskog, Anni-Frid Lyngstrom, Darlene Love, Joni Mitchell, Patti Smith--Carly Simon may have a shot.

Eminem seems like an almost certainty. He will probably crowd out A Tribe Called Quest, simply by the power of name recognition.

Rage Against the Machine will certainly have the support of the Hall itself--since Tom Morello has appeared at so many prior induction ceremonies. That alone may help him get in--it worked for the Foo Fighters. (Not that they're not worthy.)

Devo is perceived--unfairly--as a one-hit wonder, and unlikely to make the cut. The same could be said of Beck. The New York Dolls haven't got even that one mainstream hit going for them.

Lionel Richie certainly is no one-hit wonder, but I don't think there is a lot of enthusiasm about his possibilities either. His chances may have been better had the Commodores been inducted--and then, later, him as a solo act--or perhaps a decade or so earlier, when the O'Jays, Earth Wind & Fire, the Jackson 5, etc. were recent inductees.

Acts that are popular in Europe, but not the United States, have a lesser chance of making the cut, which would sadly hurt Kate Bush's chances.

Again, that's my SWAG (Scientific, Wild-A$$ed Guess). Feel free to grab the marshmallows as it goes down in flames.

Posted by Joe S. on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 22:08pm


I think that the acts that have the best chance of getting in this year now are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of these nine acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 22:14pm


We only have 8 ballots out of the 1200 (even then, that's probably not an accurate number since voting rights are revoked after two years of not voting, and it's easy to believe that some of the older acts had their ballots revoked), but the current top 5 on the vote tracker is Eminem, Duran Duran, Dolly Parton, A Tribe Called Quest, and a tie between Fela Kuti and Pat Benetar.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 22:43pm


Its true that only 8 ballots have been submitted so far but the top 3 is pretty much confirrmed with the ballots in so far and how the fan vote is pretty much in lining up with how the public ballot is going. I believe that Eminem, Dolly and Duran Duran's place is secure. I would have thought that Beck would have had a chance with him being a critic darling but he has not even received one vote yet.

Posted by jayjay on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 22:55pm


I think that Eminem and Duran Duran are the only locks to get in this year now, I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced on Thursday that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race on Monday will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 23:01pm


All of the people who voted for Dolly so far (Brian Koppelman on March 7, Jimmy Koplik on March 10, Chuck Eddy the week of March 7 and Michael Pizzo on March 3) all voted before she made her stunning announcement on Monday about her decision to bow out of the race this year, So anyone who hasn't voted yet won't vote for her because they'll respect her decision and wishes.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/19/2022 @ 23:26pm


K-Dawg,

I'll give you my favorite song from each nominee, and rank the nominees in order of my personal favorite to least favorite.

Acts I love:
1. Duran Duran - The Chauffeur
2. Beck - E-Pro

Acts I like a lot:
3. Eminem - Without Me
4. Pat Benatar - Invincible
5. Eurythmics - Love Is A Stranger
6. Rage Against The Machine - Testify
7. Kate Bush - Suspended In Gaffa
8. A Tribe Called Quest - I Left My Wallet In El Segundo

Acts I like some songs by:
9. Carly Simon - You're So Vain
10. Dolly Parton - Jolene
11. Dionne Warwick - I Say A Little Prayer
12. Judas Priest - Living After Midnight
13. Devo - Girl U Want
14. Lionel Richie - You Are

Acts I am not a fan of:
15. The MC5 - Looking At You
16, Fela Kuti - Zombie
17. New York Dolls - Personality Crisis

Posted by Michael W. on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 07:20am


Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 11:28am


Richie, there's no need to feel threatened anytime someone talks about a topic besides your beloved lists you can't get enough of. It seems any time there's a discussion of something slightly off center, you rehash your thoughts to keep the focus squarely on one thing. For me, it's kind of killing the board a little. We have over a month until the inductees likely will be announced. There's nothing wrong with taking a break from predictions to discuss other, related stuff. Thanks

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 14:26pm


Just for fun, since I'm anticipating the I-5 from Philip, here's how the inductees of the last 10 years have done!

2012(15 noms):
Beastie Boys-Number
Donovan-Number 10
Guns N Roses-Number 3
Laura Nyro-Number 12
Red Hot Chili Peppers- Number 1
Small Faces/The Faces-Number 15 (Last Place!)

2013(15 Noms):
Albert King-Number 8
Donna Summer-Number 5
Heart-Number 10
Public Enemy-Number 1
Randy Newman-Number 14
Rush-Number 6

2014 (16 Noms.):
Cat Stevens-Number 16
Daryl Hall and Johon Oats-Number 11
KISS-Number 2
Linda Ronstadt-Number 7
Nirvana-Number 1
Peter Gabriel-Number 8

2015 (15 Noms.):
Bill Withers-Number 7
Green Day-Number 8
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts-Number 14
Lou Reed-Number 12
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band-Number 13
Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble-Number 1

2016 (15 Noms.):
Cheap Trick-Number 13
Chicago-Number 1
Deep Purple-Number 2
N.W.A.-Number 3
Steve Miller-Number 9

2017 (19 Noms.):
2Pac-Number 2
Electric Light Orchestra-Number 6
Joan Baez-Number 8
Journey-Number 16
Pearl Jam-Number 3
Yes-Number 9

2018 (19 Noms.)
Bon Jovi-Number 15
The Cars-Number 7
Dire Straits-Number 19
The Moody Blues-Number 4
Nina Simmone-Number 2
(She was inducted as an Early Influence despite being nominated as a performer, but Sister Rosetta Tharpe was Number 1)

2019 (15 Noms.)
The Cure-Number 2
Def Leppard-Number 10
Janet Jackson-Number 4
Radiohead-Number 7
Roxy Music-Number 5
Stevie Nicks-Number 15
The Zombies-Number 13

2020 (16 Noms.)
Depeche Mode-Number 5
The Doobie Brothers-Number 12
Nine Inch Nails-Number 3
Notorious B.I.G.-Number 7
T. Rex-Number 11
Whitney Houston-Number 2

2021 (16 Noms.)
Carole King-Number 3
Foo Fighters-Number 16
The Go-Go's-Number 11
Jay-Z-Number 6
Tina Turner-Number 7
Todd Rundgren-Number 9


(LL Cool J-Number 1)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 14:34pm


I'll go for my two favorite songs by each of the artists (in descending order of enthusiasm for each artist's induction)

Kate Bush- Cloudbusting, This Woman's Work

Duran Duran- Ordinary World, Rio

Eurythmics- Love Is A Stranger, There Must an Angel (Playing with My Heart)

Pat Benatar- We Live For Love, Everybody Lay Down

Judas Priest- You've Got Another Thing Coming, Breaking the Law

Beck- Loser, Where It's At

Devo- Girl U Want, Jocko Homo

Dionne Warwicke- Do You Know the Way To San Jose, I Say A Little Prayer

Eminem- Stan, Lose Yourself

Carly Simon- That's the Way I Always Heard It Should Be, Let the River Run

New York Dolls- Looking For A Kiss, Personality Crisis

Dolly Parton- Baby I'm Burning, Jolene

Lionel Richie- Sail On, Still (both Commodores songs)

Fela Kuti- not enough of a fan to say

Rage Against the Machine- not enough of a fan to say

MC5- Kick Out the Jams

A Tribe Called Quest- not enough of a fan to say

I have bought recordings by all of the nominees except for Fela Kuti and Rage Against the Machine. Thinking about buying an album by Kuti. RATM not really my cup of tea but I don't disagree with their nomination.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 15:41pm


My favorite songs from each of this year's nominees are:

Beck: Where It's At
Pat Benatar: Hit Me With Your Best Shot
Kate Bush: Babooshka, Running Up That Hill
Devo: Whip It
Duran Duran: Hungry Like The Wolf
Eminem: Lose Yourself
Eurythmics: Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)
Judas Priest: Breaking The Law, You've Got Another Thing Comin
Fela Kuti: Water Got No Enemy
MC5: Kick Out The Jams
New York Dolls: Trash, Personality Crisis
Dolly Parton: Jolene
Rage Against The Machine: Killing In The Name, Bombtrack, Sleep Now In The Fire
Lionel Richie: All Night Long
Carly Simon: You're So Vain
A Tribe Called Quest: Can I Kick It?
Dionne Warwick: I'll Never Love This Way Again, I Say A Little Prayer

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 16:30pm


Fave each act

Beck: Lost Cause
Pat Benatar: Hit Me With Your Best Shot
Kate Bush: Hounds of Love
Devo: Beautiful World
Duran Duran: Rio
Eminem: Rap God
Eurythmics: Sexcrime (Nineteen Eighty-Four)
Judas Priest: You've Got Another Thing Comin
Fela Kuti: Expensive Shit
MC5: Kick Out The Jams
New York Dolls: Personality Crisis
Dolly Parton: 9 to 5
Rage Against The Machine: Guerrilla Radio
Lionel Richie: All Night Long
Carly Simon: You're So Vain
A Tribe Called Quest: The Space Program
Dionne Warwick: I Say A Little Prayer

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 19:04pm


Faves

Beck: Debra
Pat Benatar: Heartbreaker
Kate Bush: Cloudbusting
Devo: Uncontrollable Urge
Duran Duran: Rio
Eminem: Lose Yourself
Eurythmics: Sweet Dreams
Judas Priest: Breaking the Law
Fela Kuti: Zombie
MC5: Kick Out The Jams
New York Dolls: Personality Crisis
Dolly Parton: Here You Come Again
Rage Against The Machine: Bulls on Parade
Lionel Richie: All Night Long
Carly Simon: You're So Vain
A Tribe Called Quest: Scenario
Dionne Warwick: I Say A Little Prayer

Posted by RG on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 20:00pm


Here's mine:

Beck: Loser (1994)
Pat Benatar: Hit Me with Your Best Shot (1980)
Kate Bush: Running Up That Hill (1985)
Devo: Whip It (1980)
Duran Duran: Ordinary World (1993)
Eminem: Lose Yourself (2002)
Eurthymics: Sweet Dreams (Are Made of These) (1983)
Judas Priest: Hellion/Electric Eye (1982)
Fela Kuti: Zombie (1973)
MC5: Kick Out the Jams (1966)
New York Dolls: Personality Crisis (1973)
Dolly Parton: Islands in the Stream (1984)
Rage Against The Machine: Bombtrack (1992)
Lionel Richie: Endless Love (1981)
Carly Simon: You're So Vain (1972)
A Tribe Called Quest: Scenario (1991)
Dionne Warwick: Walk On By (1964)

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 20:05pm


KING'S MARCH 20, 2022 RRHOF Nomineees FAV SONGS.
Beck-Timebomb
Pat Benatar-Fire And Ice
Kate Bush-Running Up That Hill
DEVO-Freedom Of Choice
Duran Duran-Notorious
Eminem-Sing For The Moment
Eurythmics-Here Comes The Rain
Judas Priest-Turbo Lover
Fela Kuti-Zombie
MC5-Kick Out The Jams
New York Dolls (NYD)- Trash
Dolly Parton-9 To 5
Rage Against The Machine-Bulls On Parade
Lionel Richie-Stuck On You
Carly Simon-Nobody Does It Better
A Tribe Called Quest-Scenario
Dionne Warwick-Do You Know The Way To San Jose.

That's my FAV list for inquiring minds. Enjoying these basketball tournament games. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 20:39pm


I think that Dolly Parton will either not get inducted this year or she'll get inducted either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year, I think that her statement/announcement about her bowing out of the race this year on Monday even though the Rock Hall announced on Thursday that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/20/2022 @ 22:43pm


richie

I think if she scores top 5 in votes she'll be inducted but any lower and they won't induct her until after the rock album she wants to make.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 03/21/2022 @ 00:26am


I know it's an EXTREMELY small sample size (7 voters and the fan vote), but am I the only one who's surprised that Kate Bush has no reported votes so far? I'd looked at her has one of the bubble artists who had a decent shot at induction but the early results certainly don't reflect that. I'm sad that Beck has no votes either since he's one of my faves, but I'm not as surprised by it. On the other hand, I am pleasantly surprised by the support ATCQ seems to have so far. I'd love to see them inducted, especially after the voters dropped the ball with LL Cool J for all those years. Again, it is an extremely small sample size of the votes.

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 03/21/2022 @ 06:32am


Michael,

I think you're entirely right, it is the small sample size that makes the reported vote tracker almost useless in my eyes. I don't know how many ballots are out there, but I suspect at least several hundred, and 8 votes means nothing.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Monday, 03/21/2022 @ 12:38pm


In a nutshell, the tracker is a good idea but it's hard to take it seriously when inductees (who probably make up the largest portion of the voting body) rarely share their ballots to the public. Without them, the tracker isn't really a good indicator on who will get in.

Posted by JWC on Monday, 03/21/2022 @ 12:48pm


I just don't think that Lionel Richie is getting in this year like you guys have been saying, Even though he is one of the biggest names on the ballot this year and is beloved and has huge name recognition and star power, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo, As I've said it before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/21/2022 @ 13:43pm


JR,

Please unblock me on Twitter and follow me again, I promise that I'll be good to you and that I won't send you the same message over and over again, Please give me a second chance and unblock me on Twitter, Thanks and Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/21/2022 @ 15:22pm


Something that doesn't make sense

Jethro Tull is never nominated because they're not interested. Dolly Parton's request to be removed implies that she was nominated without being approached first. Therefore, the Hall could nominated JT without asking.

Posted by G on Monday, 03/21/2022 @ 16:30pm


Even though the Rock Hall announced on Thursday that Dolly Parton would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race this year last Monday, Which acts do you guys have as your predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/21/2022 @ 16:51pm


Michael W,
I am surprised that Kate Bush doesnt have more votes. I still am hopeful she gets in. If she doesnt the Hall should make a concerted effort of adding voters from the UK, Australia and other English speaking countries.
If the Hall of Fame is broadening its horizons by including all types of popular music, then they should also make the Hall more inclusive globally. If the Hall was physically in NY or LA they could draw more international tourists.
Lynda

Posted by LyndaNotLinda on Monday, 03/21/2022 @ 23:03pm


LyndaNotLinda

Thank you! I've been saying for a while that the Hall needs to add more global act. Now they have been inducting a lot of Brits recently and issuing a ton of ballots to Brits so if they can't get her in soon I don't think it'll happen via the vote, Bjork (who also should go in) too. I've said it before and I'll say it again: international music award should be a thing.

Also, since you mention the Hall's location and tourism that actually sets up what I think is one of the most baffling things about it: it's in Cleveland, which isn't far from Toronto (you mention NY and LA but Toronto is also a massive city and destination), so why does it seem to want to be a tourist trap that is uninterested in attracting Canadians. There's a grand total of 5 (Neil, Joni, Leonard, Rush, The Band) and if anyone knows anything about Canada it's that Canadians like seeing Canadians make it in America more than anything. It's absolutely baffling that The Guess Who, Bryan Adams, Paul Anka (any other 50s pop acts of his stature not nominated), Alanis Morissette, and Buffy Sainte-Marie have not been on ballots, very weird that Steppenwolf isn't in, other than with a single, and were only nominated once (but MC5 have been nominated 6 times), and very, very weird that none of Bob Ezrin, Bob Rock, and Daniel Lanois have gone in as non-performers.

Hell, 2016 when The Tragically Hip were on that final tour and it became apparent that, despite their limited American success (they charted steadily in the lower realms of the Billboard 200 and Heatseekers and scored some moderate rock radio hits), they were the biggest and most important band to, not only come out of Canada, but to Canada. Despite the fact that this was happening so close to where the Hall, the Hall seemingly gave it no attention despite it becoming a mainstream story in the states and internationally with the New York Times, CNN, BBC, The Los Angeles Times, and The Guardian all covering the tour and Gord Downie's passing.

The Hall's relation to Canada feels very weird. Canada in a lot of ways should be a vital market to the Hall but there almost doesn't seem to be an interest in Canada. I'm curious what happens on this front cause you now have all the above still waiting for nominations (maybe add Shania, Skinny Puppy, Sarah McLachlan, K.D. Lang, or Corey Hart to that list as there's cases for each), megastars Nickleback just became eligible, the uber influential Canadian indie scene of Rufus Wainwright, Tegan and Sara, Broken Social Scene, New Pornographers, and Arcade Fire (who I think should be FYI) all come up before this decade is out, and then in 2035 the Toronto Sound (Drake, Bieber, The Weeknd) that's dominated music since 2009 all enter the picture alongside Grimes.

It's going to be very weird to a lot of Canadians when they hear Arcade Fire or Drake are going into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame on CBC but The Guess Who, Bryan Adams and Sarah McLachlan haven't been nominated. It's a very weird relationship the Hall has with Canada and it's created this weird backlog that actually makes less sense than any other given the Hall's proximity to Canada and desire to be a tourist destination.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 00:22am


Mat R,

Don't forget about the biggest star to ever come out of Canada who is also The World's Best-Selling Female Artist of All-Time and that is Celine Dion, I know that you will not agree with me on this, but I think that Celine has a strong case to be made as a HOFer and with the Hall's recent populist push (acts that are not critical favorites but are huge populist acts) and the push for more women and the fact that are starting to nominate more Adult Contemporary/Easy Listening artists bodes very well for Celine, I think she will get nominated and inducted within the next 5-10 years.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 00:30am


richie

Go away. Celine Dion has no case and you know dude. Just stop with your endless obession which not even poptimists would agree with because she doesn't reflect modern pop in an even similar way that Lionel Richie or Whitney Houston do. They progressed pop forward whereas Celine was incredibly conservative. You want to talk about the Hall losing all credibility, a Celine nomination would kill it. Dead.

How about they induct Andrew Lloyd Webber cause that makes more sense that your Celine one cause he actually changed a musical medium and sold boatloads of records appealing the the same demo Celine did.

Also Drake has overtaken her in sales certifications and it's believed his totals have passed her's.

Please go away if you're going to continue on this weird idea cause it makes zero sense. If I could block you I would.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 00:54am


richie

before you come back with some paragraph copypasta let me remind you the hall literally focuses on "rock n roll and music that has impacted youth culture". tell me how either a) rock n roll or b) music that has impacted youth culture beyond supplying music for a film from time to time?

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 01:08am


Mat R,

I agree, I think that it's time to put Celine to rest that she doesn't have a case and let's move on to something else that's more important like the 2022 nominees.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 01:13am


mat r,
Ok Now for something completely different. Enough of this fluff crap discussion. It is Not your fault at all. No offense to you richie. but it is time to move on. I will not even mention the name of that fluffy lady. I put forth Cyndi Lauper. A key artist of the 1980s. that I think critics liked. I will have to check facts on that and you can't deny her massive record sales and global popularity, Here's some of her accomplishments:
.. Her She's So Unusual (1983) was the first debut album by a female artist to achieve four top-five hits on the Billboard Hot 100—"Girls Just Want to Have Fun", "Time After Time", "She Bop", and "All Through the Night"—and earned Lauper the Best New Artist award at the 27th Annual Grammy Awards in 1985. I do not Value Grammys much but still an achievement.
Her success continued with the soundtrack for the motion picture The Goonies and her second record True Colors (1986). This album included the terrific hits "True Colors" and "Change of Heart", she had a hit with "I Drove All Night".

. In 2013, she won the Tony Award for best original score for composing the Broadway musical Kinky Boots, making her the first woman to win the category by herself.The musical was awarded five other Tonys including Tony Award for Best New Musical.
In 2014, Lauper was awarded the Grammy Award for Best Musical Theater Album for the cast recording.
In 2016, the West End production won for another award
She won the inaugural Best Female Video prize at the 1984 VMAs for "Girls Just Want to Have Fun". This music video is recognized by MTV, VH1 and Rolling Stone as one of the greatest music videos of the 80s.
She is featured in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's Women Who Rock exhibit
Her debut album is included in Rolling Stone's list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time,

"Time After Time" is included in VH1's list of the 100 Best Songs from a long time back
VH1 has ranked Lauper No. 58 of the 100 Greatest Women of Rock & Roll

Lauper is known for her distinctive image, featuring a variety of hair colors and eccentric clothing,[18] and for her powerful and distinctive four-octave singing range
She has been celebrated for her humanitarian work

Her charitable efforts were acknowledged in 2013 when she was invited as a special guest to attend U.S. President Barack Obama's Second inauguration. I forget if she performed. I will have to check

So all in all, she has had great credentials and should have been nominated this year somehow. Plus, Cyndi Lauper
on September 17, 2014, sang on the finale of America's Got Talent. On September 25, as part of the Today Show's Shine a Light series, Lauper re-recorded "True Colors" in a mashup with Sara Bareilles' "Brave" to raise awareness and money for children battling cancer. By October the project had raised over $300,000. and there seems to be a tendency to get people that are into charities nominated and inducted to celebrate their achievements. So I think that she should have been nominated this year as one of the Pop Music Icon from the 80's.

I think this is a good way to move on. I think you agree with Cyndi Lauper in the RnR Hall of Fame. I predicted Cyndi L as a nominee. I am Not sure what happened. Respond to this. A good way to move on.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 03:19am


No we've discussed the nominees enough. There's nothing else to say really. Can we think of other things to discuss until the inductees are announced?

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 08:10am


Cyndi Lauper has a strong case and I think a nomination will come up soon perhaps next year. If you're not that convinced about her case listen to the Rock in Retrospect episode on her.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 08:33am


Greg F.,

Cyndi Lauper is something to discuss until Inductees are announced. I would have thought Cyndi would have been Inducted by now. Obviously Not. The credentials I said should be convincing enough to others.Rock in Retrospect makes it better. I say Cyndi Lauper since 2022 didn't happen for nomination. I own a whole bunch of songs for Cyndi. I am intrigued by her recent revived success like a Blues album.Have you heard that? I read good things about it

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 08:45am


Ben and Greg F,

I 100% agree on Cyndi Lauper, I think she's absolutely deserving of induction and if Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and Eurythmics all get in this year (which I predict they all will), It will boost Cyndi's chances and I think that she will be nominated next year in 2023.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 08:53am


I've heard about the Blues album but I haven't heard it. I don't know much of music all I know is the big hits.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 09:34am


Follower:

I never heard before that the inductees lost their right to vote after two years of not voting. That is interesting.

Posted by Joe s. on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 10:34am


You know I've heard for the last year or 2 about Voters losing Voter rights after 2 years. This probably happened to Jerry Lee Lewis. The one survivor of the 1986 class. But there is a bunch of people notable in the 1960s that must have had Rights Revoked. Possibly Bob Dylan does NOT vote anymore. Perhaps Theo Peoples of the Four Tops no longer votes. People like that

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 13:14pm


Here's something to discuss...What are the chances Procol Harum receives a Musical Excellence or Early Influence award this 2022 RRHOF ceremony? Gary Brooker's recent passing might finally shine a light on the Procol Harum snub and finally have them inducted. I still can't believe they have not been inducted. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 14:37pm


NONE!

Posted by Mr. XFL on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 15:23pm


The gap between Dolly and Eurythmics in the fan vote is getting smaller. It's likely they will overtake her.

However, I don't think Judas Priest will get into the top 5 a third time.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 15:37pm


Procol Harum is not likely going to happen. A death does not guarantee an induction.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 16:11pm


I'm going to rank this year's nominees in order of likelihood of getting in this year and they are:

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Pat Benatar
4. Carly Simon
5. Eurythmics
6. Rage Against The Machine
7. Beck
8. Judas Priest
9. Dionne Warwick
10. A Tribe Called Quest
11. New York Dolls
12. Kate Bush
13. Devo
14. Dolly Parton
15. Lionel Richie
16. MC5
17. Fela Kuti

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 17:49pm


K-Dawg,

I think the 2022 inductees will be (in two scenarios):

Scenario #1:

If only 6 Inductees:

Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

If 7 Inductees:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced last Thursday that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race this year last Monday will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 22:23pm


KING

The only act I get the sense is a lock for 2022 getting musical excellence or early influence (not called MC5 or New York Dolls) is Rakim (with or without Eric B). If Eminem is a lock for 2022 then it's hard not to imagine them inducting him alone without another rapper and EVERY article talking about the Rock Hall and Eminem has made mention of some variant of "it feels wrong to induct Eminem when his idol Rakim is not in". It feels impossible to imagine guys like Questlove and Reginald C. Dennis are not in the room telling in a militant fashion "look if we're giving this to Eminem, it's time for Rakim" and given Eminem's personal worship of Rakim (he's openly called Rakim the GOAT) it feels like a no brainer. Everything points to Rakim being the logical recipient of something...so somehow they won't do it.

Now going back to Procol Harum, I don't know. If we're going by deaths, are they bigger than the Monkees or Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman? I would say no. If I had to pick just from the deaths I think Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman together would get it (even over the Monkees). I hope the Hall doesn't do that this year cause it feels gross to induct Meat Loaf less than a year after his death but who knows.

I lowkey hope they do Wendy Carlos as Early Influence cause I think that induction would mean a great deal more than most but I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 23:07pm


Mat R,

I think the 2022 inductees will be (I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year and it'll come from out of those nine acts):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of these nine acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced last Thursday that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race this year last Monday will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

I just don't think that Lionel Richie is getting in this year like you've been saying, Even though he is one of the biggest names on the ballot this year and is beloved and has huge name recognition and star power, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo, As I've said it before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/22/2022 @ 23:20pm


Everyone,

Which scenario do you think is the most likely of these?

A. Dolly Parton gets enough votes and gets inducted against her wishes.
B. Dolly Parton gets enough votes to get inducted, but the Hall decides not to induct her.
C. Doly Parton doesn't get enough votes to get inducted anyway, due to voters falling in line with her wishes.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 01:30am


King,
I personally have my picks for Musical Excellence and Early Influence set I will post these again here. And then discuss briefly Procol Harum. I do Not own full albums of Procol Harum as I think you do But I know and thouroughly like Best of Procol Harum. So I know much more than Whiter Shade of Pale. First, Here are my Musical Excellence and Early I picks this year.

Musical Excellence:

Chaka Khan
Rakim
Johnny Winter

Early Influence:

John Coltrane
Gram Parsons
Dionne Warwick

These are my picks for the Special Categories. I'm not going to pick Procol Harum this year. Sorry. But I can see them for next year in Musical Excellence. They were inducted with Whiter Shade of Pale in the infamous Singles category. That I say is Dead and gone now. Therefore I say Procol Harum gets a fresh start. I predict them in Musical Excellence in 2023. I feel too strongly about all these picks. I would take out Johnny Winter BUT as a huge fan of Blues rock I think he can come through as a surprise. King you probably know Johnny Winter. I am keeping him like the others. Procol Harum is kinda likely to happen but for next year. Heyy as far as music which full albums do you suggest. Any full albums by Procol Harum. Let me know that

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 03:06am


Follower,

I think option A is the only one of those that's likely. If she gets the votes, she's in. If she doesn't get the votes, they will either put her in through a side category or just not induct her.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 06:34am


Follower,

I think Option C, I think that Dolly doesn't get inducted this year, due to voters falling in line with her wishes.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 08:41am


Follower

I think it depends where she falls in the vote. Top 5 they induct her but outside of that no go. It'll be awkward if she finished 6th cause if she does and they decide to induct like 7th place Pat Benatar in her place cause I'm sure that will leak out

I could really see them doing 5 and then putting someone in Musical Excellence to avoid a leak

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 12:03pm


Mat R,

I think the 2022 inductees will be (I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year and it'll come from out of those nine acts):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of these nine acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 12:24pm


Mat r,

Pat Benatar isn't in 7th, she's in 3rd between Eminem and Dolly. Right now it's:

Duran Duran
Eminem
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Eurythmics (the two are less than 6.5 thousand votes apart, so expect them to switch places.)
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
Lionel Ritchie
Devo
Kate Bush
Rage Against The Machine
Dionne Warwick
A Tribe Called Quest
New York Dolls
Beck
MC5
Fela Kuti

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 16:03pm


Follower

I'm using her an an example on the MAIN ballot not the fan vote

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 16:22pm


I think the inductees will be leaked again just like the past three years:

In December 2018, when the 2019 inductees were leaked the night before, Casper told us who the inductees were going to be and they were The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks, Radiohead, Roxy Music and The Zombies.

In January 2020, when the 2020 inductees were leaked the day before, a guy named Freddie told us who the inductees were going to be and they were Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails, The Notorious B.I.G. and T. Rex.

and last year in May 2021, the night before the 2021 inductees were announced RG told us that six acts redirected to an Access Denied page and they were: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, LL Cool J and Tina Turner and all six of them got in along with Todd Rundgren.

So if history repeats itself, I think the inductees will be leaked the day before just like the last three years.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 17:26pm


Curious what everyone thinks if the fact that atm (and it's early) with hall voters A Tribe Called Quest is performing better than everyone not named Duran Duran, Dolly, and Eminem? They're even getting non-rap votes early on.

Upsetter?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 17:32pm


I'm honestly surprised Fela Kuti is doing well based on our small voters ballot tracker. Could see him as a possibility in Musical Excellence or Early Influence or in some miracle as a main performer. Apparently he did extremely well!

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 17:33pm


Out of 9 ballots in the Rock Hall Ballot Tracker so far, Here's the current vote totals so far:

At 77.78% of the vote and on 7 ballots are Duran Duran and Eminem
At 55.56% of the vote and on 5 ballots is Dolly Parton (all before she bowed out of this year's race)
At 44.44% of the vote and on 4 ballots are Pat Benatar and A Tribe Called Quest
At 33.33% of the vote and on 3 ballots are Judas Priest and Fela Kuti
At 22.22% of the vote and on 2 ballots are Devo, Eurythmics, MC5 and Rage Against The Machine
At 11.11% of the vote and on 1 ballot are New York Dolls, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick
At 0.00% of the vote and on zero ballots so far are Beck and Kate Bush

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 17:47pm


Richie

Yes but note one of the ballots counted is the fan ballot. All 4 of tribes votes have come from traditional votes not the fan vote.

Tribe have 4 voter votes and pat has 3

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 18:12pm


What if, and this is a big if, they have the critic and media vote on top of the hip hop?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 03/23/2022 @ 19:30pm


First Dionne, then Dolly, now Duran Duran. I swear the 2022 class is gonna make the rock hall rethink some stuff somehow

Spin: It seems there have been more '80s bands getting consideration the last few years, even though they've been eligible for a while. Eurythmics are also nominated this year, so it's interesting to see your generation get that recognition.

Roger Taylor: I think Depeche Mode got in there fairly recently, so when they got in there, we thought it was a possibility. But you never really know, do you? Because I guess Duran Duran's not really a rock'n'roll… We've got a bit of rock'n'roll in us, but I wouldn't say we were a down-the-line rock'n'roll band. I know it's a very wide array of people that get in there, but we're as rock'n'roll as I guess Dolly Parton. But always used real guitars, and the gigs were always a big part of our story. When a lot of the early '80s bands were just going completely electronic, we still kinda held on to that band thing.

https://www.spin.com/2022/03/duran-duran-roger-taylor-interview/

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 00:20am


I hate to disagree with the esteemed Mr. Taylor, but he needs to research rock n roll and its roots. Duran Duran is very much rock and roll. They are as much worthy as anyone else on this list. The roots of 80s pop and new wave are evolved from 70s funk and punk, which in turn are derived from 60s sounds, which are evolved from the 50s and Chuck Berry, James Brown, and everyone else. It is quite funny that the rockists are going to run with this.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 01:08am


K-Dawg,
It is interesting what Roger Taylor had to say. He probably was not thinking about Rock n'Roll and its roots He did say I see that they have a bit of rock n'Roll in them. Their use of real guitars is what catches my interest. They are one of the few new wave bands I like. I do like most of their hits. Their roots evolved from the 1950s and 60s. I am a huge Rock fan but NOT a rock purist. I fully understand and/or support Michael Jackson, Madonna and the Cure all in the Hall. I am NOT a fan of Depeche Mode with their all electronic approach but Duran Duran I am a small fan of. I do by the way like some tunes by the Thompson Twins. That's another new wave act. I doubt Thompson Twins are going to be considered anytime soon. BUT Duran D had a huge craze going in the middle 80s. Thus a Very good chance.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 03:33am


I think ATCQ has a decent chance of being inducted in this year based on Rock Hall Ballot Tracker.

Posted by ChasingWildcat on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 06:58am


K-Dawg

I agree with you and am kind of confused by Taylor's comments. Like dude you're in a dance rock band and were born of glam rock.

That said i think this is bad for the Hall. They've now had 3 of their nominees say "I don't think I'm rock n roll. Do i belong?" When you're trying to broaden the hall that's bad and kind of makes it look like you and everyone involved have no clue what you're doing and just throwing darts at a wall of photos to pick which pop acts should go in

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 07:11am


The Hall just needs to stick with what they believe Rock and Roll encompasses and let the chips fall where they may. Despite whatever questions are out there about who is and isn't "rock and roll", both Duran Duran and Dolly Parton are in the top five in the fan vote and seem to have support from critics. So the Hall isn't on an island in thinking they qualify. Dionne and Lionel's credentials as "rock and roll" artists are far more questionable than Dolly and DD, as they're borderline easy listening and their core audiences skewed far older when they were in their prime.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 07:37am


Michael w

I agree but the issue i think is the hall has done a bad job communicating what it believes "rock n roll" is.

IMO It might be time to have a clear mission on the site that states "rock n roll is the music of youth and the spirit of change and revolution" or some crap. They've kind of done this already but they need to make "rock n roll" and "music of youth" one thing which they haven't actually done yet.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 09:15am


I think the 2022 inductees will come from out of those nine acts and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of these nine acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 10:40am


I think what Roger Taylor of Duran Duran is trying to articulate is that you don't think of Duran Duran as a guitar-based band. They do have guitar work in their music but usually isn't front and center. Some might enjoy Nick's synthesizers and sounds, John's cool bass lines and or gravitate to Simon's strong singing voice. Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Thin Lizzy, Wishbone Ash etc have a twin guitar attack. Has a more power or rock and roll quality to it. I think April Wine had 3 guitarists. They really had great depth and power to their sound. I think exploring the topic of "What is or defines rock and roll?" will be interesting for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame moving forward. Say Dionne Warwick is inducted...Why not a Connie Francis or a Frank Sinatra? Barbra Streisand then would be a possibility. It really opens the possibilities who can be inducted. These new categories the RRHOF created are intelligent. They can color and shade the class giving it more depth. EX: Say a class is light on hard rock or metal...They could include Ronnie James DIO or a Thin Lizzy in the Musical Excellence. The recently legendary Procol Harum Singer/Pianist Gary Brooker has recently passed. Procol Harum would be perfect for an Early Influence or Musical Excellence. Could be a great progressive rock choice. I was happy to see LL Cool J finally inducted this way. Sometimes, a deserving and excellent artist doesn't receive the votes for whatever reason. LL Cool J was a real head scratcher. He had several hit songs 1980's & 1990's plus he's still in public with his acting too. Plus, he definitely gave rap credibility was an early influence of the genre. It probably is intelligent for the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame to widen their definition of what rock and roll encompasses. Many of the next wave or group of Inductees that will be eligible...They appear to be more in the pop vein. I think the Rock & Roll question is interesting and worth exploring. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 12:01pm


King

Sinatra should have gone in ages ago as Early Influence cause he literally invented the concept of the album.

That said I don't think Dionne opens stuff up much. Dionne is a soul singer at core (she's being looked at for walk on by and say a little prayer rather than that's what friends are for) and the hall has always been open to soul. Not to mention she's enjoyed sizable acclaim from rock press unlike say barbara.

Lionel probably opens stuff up more than her but he's also got the benefit of being friends with everyone which Kenny G isn't.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 17:30pm


I think the 2022 inductees will come from out of those nine acts and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of these nine acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 17:40pm


Anyone have any ideas for international artists outside of the U.S, U.K, etc besides Fela Kuti could at least be nominated in the future?
I feel like Scorpions would have a decent shot (side note, has anyone listened to their new album at all?)

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 17:40pm


The first three that immediately come to mind are Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine (Cuba), Daft Punk (France) and Peter Tosh (Jamaica). There's definitely others but I can see any of these three getting nominated in any given year.

Posted by Nick B. on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 19:03pm


Nick B.,

Which acts do you have as your predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 19:04pm


I don't know yet Richie. You've asked me so many times (both publicly and privately) that I should probably have an answer for you at this point. I'll probably save it for a blog late next month. But this will be a great class no matter who get selected this year.

Posted by Nick B. on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 19:13pm


Raichu

I think they will try Guess Who soon (aside MC5) they're the only real north american 60s band left and Bachman is now on a bigger radio platform to remind people he exists and isn't in. Daft Punk seem highly likely to be on the ballot soon. Peter Tosh, Giorgio Moroder, Lee Perry, Bryan Adams, Gloria Estefan and the Sound Machine, Scorpions, Daddy Yankee (if were counting Puerto Rico as international), Ravi Shankar, Daniel Lanois, Robyn, and Serge Gainsbourg could be contenders, but you have various backlog issues plus some might just make sense to do in a side category. Midnight Oil, Falco, Ricky Martin, and The Tragically Hip feel plausible as dark horses but still kinda unlikely.

Also if we count non-performers Bob Ezrin, Bob Rock, and especially Max Martin.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 20:52pm


What are your way-too early predictions for the 2023 nominees (In case that we get 7 Performer inductees and Dolly Parton gets in as an Early Influence instead of as a Performer this year)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/24/2022 @ 21:45pm


Raichu

Just to add one name that i think should be mentioned but seems like there's too much against them (wrongfully imo) and that person is Bjork.

When you look at almost every list about women and the hall, bjork is usually seen as the #1 snub (yes even when compared to kate bush and when carole king, janet, and whitney houston weren't in bjork was still #1). She broke every thing pop should be, enjoying high commercial success while doing it, and is often seen as the greatest video artist ever. Her influence is massive.

That said, bjork has in a lot of ways othered herself in a way many might not be able to get over. Her singing style, the producers she works with (arca, david tibet, harmony korine), her live shows, lyrical content are all out there is ways beyond that of radiohead and tom waits. It been very apparent for a long time that she isn't a pop or rock star but a yoko ono like figure as opposed to a david bryne one who is about pushing the art to the breaking point. It's an isolating experience for many listeners and i think it's too much for the hall voters.

There's also the backlog issue of kate bush and the depth of sonic youth (kim gordan) tori amos, fiona apple, and pj harvey being in the way. There's anlot of artists the hall might see as easier sells to voters than bjork and with that i honestly don't know if they would even nominate her in the next decade or so

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 08:15am


Follow-up additions to my international question:
I'm kinda surprised nobody mentioned INXS and Men at Work, the former probably getting in before the latter. Also I'd like to mention Max Martin, a Swedish producer who worked with artists like Britney Spears and Coldplay.

And to answer your question Richie about early predictions, heres a Spotify playlist with my predictions so that way I can save actually talking about it for when the time comes: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3f6jmOoWTzvd2jHbcI2hu0?si=FldBcc8zR1aOvWL6m_bCZw&utm_source=copy-link

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 10:03am


Raichu,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race this year on March 14 will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and not vote for her, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

I just don't think that Lionel Richie is getting in this year like you've been saying, Even though he is one of the biggest names on the ballot this year and is beloved and has huge name recognition and star power, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo, As I've said it before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 10:40am


Raichu

First i mentioned max martin lol

Second with inxs i feel the backlog on 80s pop rock from the us and uk is too deep atm from them to be a next decade act.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 11:00am


Richie

If i had to guess for 2023 without any 2022 nominees

Fye
-missy elliot
-destiny's child (i think they want beyonce bad enough they try them now)*

Nominated before
-the meters*
-thin lizzy
-jane's addiction
-iron maiden
-dave matthews band*
-joe tex**

Never nominated
-joy division/new order
-pixies*
-boston
-wu-tang clan*
-kinf crimson
-weird al**

* means gets in
** gets in side category

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 11:44am


I think that out of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, Dolly Parton and Eurythmics), I think that four of the five will get in this year (Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics) while Dolly Parton will be the one that misses out on induction this year because she bowed out of the race this year on March 14 even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her withdrawal from the ballot this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 13:30pm


Mat,
Sorry I didn't see that you mentioned Max already. First time around I was gonna mention Ace of Base but they seem to be not well known.
Also I might as well just give my early 2023 predictions already:
Returning:
Beck
Carly Simon
Iron Maiden: Preist is gonna get in this year (they better), so figured Maiden would get its 2nd chance, probably followed by Motörhead in 2024
Jane's Addiction: Went with them over Soundgarden because at least JA could actually play on stage, plus having both on the ballot might screw each other over.

Newcomers:
Frank Sinatra: Created the concept of an album. Should've gotten in the first year of the Hall's existence
George Michael: one of 3 acts wanted in by Taylor Hawkins.
Black Flag: The punk pick for that year since the MC5 are probably gonna get side doored.
Missy Elliot: FYE Rap act this year.
Destiny's Child: Anything with Beyoncé in it is gonna get in.
Kool and the Gang: I remember hearing them and The Spinners are getting documentaries a while back so this could help their chances.
Blink-182: If a pop-punk band besides Green Day is gonna get in it'd be these guys.
Other artists I'm predicting:
Wings
Sade
Sonic Youth
Daft Punk
Willie Nelson
Slade
Harry Nilsson

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 15:12pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, KING, Enig, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Lax39, Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

I think the 2022 inductees will come from out of those nine acts and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of these nine acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race this year on March 14 will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

I just don't think that Lionel Richie is getting in this year like you've been saying, Even though he is one of the biggest names on the ballot this year and is beloved and has huge name recognition and star power, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo, As I've said it before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 15:56pm


Today or tomorrow Eurythmics should overtake Dolly in the Fan Vote.

Once again though, I doubt Priest can get the votes to place higher than her.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 16:28pm


Raichu,

I highly doubt Frank Sinatra will ever be in the Hall. He's never mentioned in a positive light whenever hall voters are called on Joe's podcast, and he's such a big deal the Hall won't be able to do him justice in the ceremony. He's best suited for a bland year; something like 2016 or 2011 where most of the class is bland and he can be put in the Early Influence category where he belongs.

For the record, he didn't create the first concept album. That was Woody Guthrie with "Dust Bowl Ballads".

Posted by Follower on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 16:37pm


Follower

I agree Sinatra should go as early influence but damn his legacy is massive when it comes to rock. Creating the album as we know it (which he did, not concept album as you state but just the modern concept of the album - the recording process, song selection, cover art, general format), creating the rock star swagger that everyone from elvis to bono to gaga would copy, creating the template for the pop idol 20 years before anyone else did it, the fashion everyone from bowie to jay-z has referenced, making las vegas a thing pop stars did, heading your own label, the fact everyone covers him. So much that exists in modern pop starts with him.

I feel people coming from rock are opposed to it because he is very much not rock, which is totally 1000000% true, but when you talk with pop culture and Hollywood historians and they'll tell you how his dna is all over rock n roll, pop, and rap and they'll likely say "sinatra invented being a rock star"

I honestly would not be shocked if the hall's hold up is because his name holds so much weight, even 30 years after his death, that him going in would overshadow the class even as an early influence. And again him being the anti-rocker would make it controversial.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 19:07pm


Follower

I would just state regarding the first album idea with regards to guthrie vs sinatra: there is a strong argument for either but it ultimately comes down to the release format.

Guthrie's was a scatter release of songs, iirc it was originally released as 3 seperate volumes of what now would be called eps which was the standard at the time for non classical releases and would eventually be reformatted at various points into the popular album as we know it but the intention was never for it to be a single long playing record as it ended up being. That said yes it is a collection of unified songs.

Sinatra on the other hand recorded all his tracks with the goal of having them released together on a single record as opposed to singles or on an anthology and fought with his label to get it released on a disc format that would allow it to be listened to in the same manner of classical music was released which he ultimately got.

Both definitely represent unified songs that were created with a single artistic vision in mind but one ultimately created the format as we know due to its creator fighting for it to be released as serious music while the other opted to break up his recordings to secure publication.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 19:27pm


Oh my god Taylor Hawkins. I'm speechless.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 22:34pm


Which acts do you have as your predictions for the 2022 inductees (If Dolly Parton gets in either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence instead of as a Performer and If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 22:37pm


Come on dude, Taylor Hawkins just died. I don't think anyone cares about predictions at this moment.

Posted by JHC on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 22:46pm


Ouch. This is shocking. But I might as well update the data:

So far seven Inductees (Grahame Edge, Norman Thrasher, Calvin Simon, Ronnie Spector, Don Wilson, Sam Lay, and Taylor Hawkins) have died since the ceremony.

Living Members of Each Class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 1/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 22/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 28/70 (Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 19/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)

Posted by Follower on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 23:01pm


The Foos got their induction almost 5 months ago & we just found about what happened with Taylor Hawkins, man this world just kept on getting darker every day.

RIP

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 03/25/2022 @ 23:39pm


I've shared my predictions already with and without Dolly. I'm not sure which one will be my final predictions yet. I think there's a 50/50 chance of Dolly getting in anyway. If she doesn't get in through the vote committee I don't they'll use the side categories on her and the nominating would nominate her again at some point. If you want to see my predictions scroll up and look for them. Once I decide what my final predictions are I'll post them. Please stop asking everyday.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 03/26/2022 @ 08:25am


Richie I don't see Dolly going in as Early Influence or musical excellence if doesn't get in through the performer category. They'll just not induct her this year and nominate her another year.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 03/26/2022 @ 11:48am


Greg F,

I think that out of your two scenarios for your final predictions for the 2022 inductees (with Dolly or without Dolly)

Scenario #1 with Dolly Parton:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

and Scenario #2 without Dolly Parton:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

I think that you should go with Scenario #2 without Dolly, because I think it is the most realistic and likely outcome of the two.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/26/2022 @ 15:59pm


Richie

I agree with greg f. Dolly is only going in with the vote.

I also don't think we'll have 7 anymore. While i think dolly will see her votes drop off i think she already has a good number (4 non-fan vote ballots so far) and will still have a good number come in. There's a good chance she either places 7th (maybe even 6th) or just causes a steep drop between 6 and 7. If she comes 7th or 7th finished like 25+ votes back of 6th and within 10 of 8th i doubt they do 7 (they might not even do 6 if dolly scores 6th - imagine if a leak got out that she came 6th and they put in 7th and 8th).

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 03/26/2022 @ 20:13pm


Mat R,

I think that we'll still get 7 inductees this year, I just have a gut feeling about it.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/26/2022 @ 20:32pm


Mat R,

I think the 2022 inductees will come from out of those nine acts and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of these nine acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race this year on March 14 will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

I just don't think that Lionel Richie is getting in this year like you've been saying, Even though he is one of the biggest names on the ballot this year and is beloved and has huge name recognition and star power, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo, As I've said it before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/26/2022 @ 21:43pm


Since we're now at the end of March, Which acts do you have as your predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 16:08pm


Devo
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Beck
New York Dolls

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 16:30pm


March 27, 2022 Inductees (7)
Beck
Carly Simon
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar
Rage Against The Machine
KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 17:20pm


From most likely to least likely

Eminem
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest (Seems more plausible now)
Dolly Parton
Dionne Warwick
Rage Against The Machine (on the cusp now)


Scenario if Dolly is sidelined and "shocker" does not get in:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick
Rage Against The Machine

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 17:55pm


I think the 2022 inductees will come from out of those nine acts and they are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Any of these nine acts that I just mentioned I wouldn't be surprised to see them get in this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 19:49pm


Currently thinking

- Eminem
- Duran Duran
- Judas Priest
- A Tribe Called Quest (4 of the 8 known voter ballots so far makes me think the love critics have for them has been under sold)
- Pat Benatar
- Lionel Richie (the industry favourite. Like people have said backlash but execs and musicians seem to love the guy and critics seem to respect that he wrote his own stuff)
- Dolly Parton (voters will still vote for her)

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 20:06pm


Mat R,

I think the industry favorites this year are Eurythmics, not Lionel Richie, I think that Annie and Dave have too many industry connections to ignore and that lots of people that respect them and love them and they're just too widely beloved, I think that they stand a very good chance of getting in as the industry favorites this year.

Also, I think that voters will respect Dolly Parton's decision to bow out of the race this year and not vote for her, so I think that she will miss out on induction this year now.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 20:20pm


Richie

No based on various comments that have come out since the nominations it's very clearly richie. The dude is just beloved by everyone for reasons ranging from commerical appeal to just being a likable guy. If you have actually followed any of the press about him since the nominations you get a portrait of a very well liked and charming man who made a ton of people a ton of money (far more than annie and dave to be honest). Again lionel is the guy dave grohl and quincy jones play golf with, the guy disney pursued for american idol, the guy who had some of the biggest hits of mtv's golden age, the guy who just got the Gershwin prize. This dude is connected probably better than anyone else nominated.

Tbh when i recall your comments about celine, which you were bullish on, i really think you're take on lionel is confused.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 20:38pm


If we're going for nine:

Devo
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Kate Bush
Duran Duran
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Beck

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 21:11pm


Mat R,

regarding Lionel Richie: I just really don't see it for him this year, I think that he would have had a better chance if The Commodores had gotten nominated instead of Lionel on his own. As I've said it before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

Also, Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest, New York Dolls, Kate Bush, Devo

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 21:28pm


Questlove's Summer of Soul just won an Oscar. Think The 5th Dimension or The Chambers Brothers, the only two acts from the doc that have not been inducted, could get Early Influence this year?

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 21:34pm


Mat R,

Probably not, but it now gives the Hall to probably pay attention to him and not doubt him.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 21:39pm


Mat R,

Eric Tompkins said this on Thursday, 2.3.2022 @ 16:50pm.

There may be a bit of a backlash against Lionel being inducted. Don't really understand why the Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with the Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some may have been huge hits, were average in quality at best.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 21:41pm


Richie

You keep saying that exact line. Stop using copy/paste please. Also why? Cause they're better? That's not a real reason when you look as Richie's CV.

Richie sold 100 million records, Richie wrote 8 numbers ones on his own (more than anyone else), Richie has been relevant since 1980, Richie won 4 Grammys (1 as an vocalist, 1 as a songwriter, 1 as a producer, and 1 for album of the year), Richie won an Oscar, Richie is in the Songwriters Hall of Fame, Richie got the BET Lifetime Achievement Award, Richie made a Pitchfork Best Songs list, Richie won the Gershwin Prize. That's Richie's CV.

The Hall voters like names and you know what Richie is the name not the Commodores.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 21:43pm


Mat R,

The reason why that I just don't think that Lionel Richie is getting in this year is because there are far other acts on the ballot this year that are much more deserving of induction than Lionel like Beck, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick. All of these acts that I just mentioned (Beck, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick) are far more likely to get in this year than Lionel, so I think that Beck, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Devo, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick are the most likely to get in this year and I think that Dolly Parton (because she bowed out of the race this year on March 14 and voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her), Lionel Richie (because his solo stuff gets knocked as unworthy so I don't see enough people taking the time to add The Commodores, Also, I think there's a chance he may be a little too AC for even this voting committee, I just think that it might be a tad too AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), so I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own), MC5 (who are gonna get backdoored into the Early Influence category) and Fela Kuti (who is also gonna get backdoored into either the Early Influence or Musical Excellence category) are the least likely to get in this year now.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 21:57pm


Richie

"The reason why that I just don't think that Lionel Richie is getting in this year is because there are far other acts on the ballot this year that are much more deserving of induction than Lionel"

Why? What makes the equally critically acclaimed Carly Simon or less critically acclaimed Pat Benatar more deserving or the worse selling Beck, Kate Bush, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, and A Tribe Called Quest more deserving? How is Carly Simon less adult contemporary than Lionel? Why are you talking about Sting? He was already in. Know who wasn't? Whitney and she got in. Maybe there isn't this anti-AC bias you seem to think or at least not as strong.

I kinda think all your logic to weaken the Lionel nomination makes zero sense because it does make zero sense and again you tried to advocate Celine Dion. Kind just seems like you dislike the guy

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 22:07pm


Mat R,

Don't get me wrong, I do love Lionel and I think that he really needs to be in in some capacity, but IMO, it shouldn't be on his own and especially not this year with the other acts that I mentioned that are on the ballot this year, so I think that Lionel should have been nominated and should have gotten in with The Commodores, not on his own. Period. End of story.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/27/2022 @ 22:13pm


We keep going round in circles. Oh well. Here's my favorite songs by each act:

Devo - Whip It (sorry)
Eurythmics - Here Comes the Rain Again
Beck - Where It's At
Dolly Parton - Islands in the Stream
Dionne Warwick - Walk on By
Kate Bush - Hounds of Love
Duran Duran - A View to a Kill and Union of the Snake
Pat Benatar - Hell Is for Children
Judas Priest - Headed Out to the Highway
A Trybe Called Quest - I Left My Wallet in El Segundo
Fela Kuti - Zombie
Eminem - Purple Pills
Carly Simon - You're So Vain
Lionel Richie - All NIght Long
New York Dolls - Stranded in the Jungle
Rage Against the Machine - The Ghost of Tom Joad
MC5- I must bow out due to not knowing enough about them

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 00:32am


MY Predictions for 2022 RnR Hall of Fame Inductees-3/28/.2022-The same as I've had

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 03:06am


I had no idea that Questlove's Summer of Soul just won an Oscar. Think The 5th Dimension instantly have a good possibility. They are also a 60s fav of mine. I love the hits of 5th Dimension. Chambers Brothers not nearly as much chance. Their success is based on the main song Time Has Come Today. It was a psychedelic fav among the original hippies but hands down 5th Dimension has immense chance now. This changes things for my Special category picks

Musical Excellence:

Chaka Khan
Rakim
Johnny Winter

Early Influence:

John Coltrane
Dionne Warwick
5th Dimension

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 03:38am


Very insightful as usual, Ben.

Have you posted your favorite songs from each artist yet? I do realize you aren't totally familiar with all the acts..

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 04:47am


I saw Lionel at Bonnaroo and he is a very charming guy. Had the crowd (mostly young & stoned on something) in the palm of his hand. I thought it was one of the best sets of the weekend. The hits just kept on coming...

He's like Bruno Mars, in that when he smiles, you think he's smiling at you.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 06:32am


Let's try not to jump the gun just because Questlove won a highly esteemed award. You might as well induct all the other performers from the Summer of Soul line-up just as much as the ones from the Woodstocks, Monterey Pop, Live Aid, etc… Fifth Dimension don't really have a case to me, but I will admit their flashiness and overall kindness won me over from the documentary. Plus we mostly got a lot of people from that festival already in: Sly, Stevie Wonder, The Staple Singers, Mahalia Jackson, Nina Simone, B.B. King, and more.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 08:55am


Plebeian

I largely agree but......because the hall nomcom and selection committees kind of loves to circlejerk an honour themselves or projects that they personally are linked to (eg mc5, who have 6 nods while dick dale, Steppenwolf, and the kingsmen are not in), i can definitely see the hall doing something unnecessary like inducting the 5th dimension to humour questlove (whether he cares or not).

Also that doc is tight everyone should watch. Disappointed flee didn't win however

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 09:48am


Mat R,

Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest, New York Dolls, Kate Bush, Devo

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 11:00am


Richie

You know what i think: you're underestimating lionel, tribe, and fela.

Don't ask me for a month please

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 11:07am


Mat R,

I have A Tribe Called Quest as one of my spoilers along with Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick, New York Dolls, Kate Bush and Devo and I think that Fela Kuti might get in either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence, but for the last time, I just don't think that Lionel is getting in this year (let alone ever) on his own, Period. End of story. and I promise you, I won't ask you a question again for a month. Thank You.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 11:24am


Richie

Yes but i think right now tribe might be in better shape than beck or carly. They came out of the gate with 4 critic votes, while beck had none, and then skylar grey was revealed to be a voter, which shocked many (imagine if there are 20 people like grey voting). There a lot of critics that vote and given the early reaction and the fact that unlike Beck or kate bush they have a niche, tribe might be more than an upsetter. L

Then there is fela who is doing very well in the vote so far yet you dismiss him in favour if carly simon.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 11:47am


Mat R,

Yes, but I think that Beck and Carly Simon both stand a great chance of getting in this year simply because Carly is from the 70's Singer-Songwriter era (a genre that the Hall loves very much) and many of the Baby Boomer voters would vote for her and Beck because he's a 90's Alternative act along with Rage Against The Machine (which the Hall has been favoring the last few induction cycles), so I see Carly continuing the trend of 70's Singer-Songwriters getting into the Hall almost immediately and Beck and Rage continuing the trend of 90's Alternative acts getting in recent years as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 12:04pm


Richie

Yes but carly wasn't a critical darling and unlike most of her contemporaries was adult contemporary. You've tried to knock lionel, a fellow boomer fave singer song writer of similar acclaim but a lot more commercial success and longevity, because he's adult contemporary so why not carly with being heavily linked to the genre is a handicap?

And beck and rage are 90s.....what is a tribe called quest then? They're as 90s as them and rage is dealing with the metal handicap and beck, who i think is in a weird zone, is dealing with being pure alternative, tribe on the other hand is a rap group which currently is as favoured as alternative and more favoured than metal. I know you like yo pretend eminem has the rap vote but he's pretty undeniably the pop nominee. Tribe likely have that rap vote, plus they seem to have the critics vote (which they beat beck for), plus the black and progressive votes too.

Speaking of progressive vote...you've built the most conservative class possible after 2020 and 2021 showed the hall wants more people of colour, women, and queer performers. It's really weird that after the last 2 classes you seem to picture such a white, heterosexual, and male dominant class (i think 12 of the 17 inductees being straight white men and) and believe all but one of the black male acts to be beyond fringe. You keep trying point to voter blocks but it's clear there are trends happening atm

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 12:58pm


Mat R,

I would absolutely love Tribe and Fela to get in, and I hope you're right. I will caution though, I really don't think we should put any kind of stock into the ballot tracker until there are a few dozen or so votes in there. There's just nothing reliable you're going to be able to tell from a sample size of 10 votes out of ~1000. Tribe could be doing very well in the votes we've seen so far by coincidence, or it could be representative of the younger voters who are more active on Twitter but don't make up enough of the voting body to get them in, or you might be right and Tribe is easily on the path to induction. I'm just saying we should wait until there is a larger sample size represented before we draw any conclusions about how the votes are turning out.

Posted by RG on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 14:15pm


Mat R,

Yes, but I think that Lionel is more thought of a Pop/AC singer just like Dionne Warwick, rather than a singer-songwriter, and regarding A Tribe Called Quest: I think that they're very deserving of induction and should get in and I'm surprised that they're doing well in the ballot tracker, I have them at #10 in terms of likelihood of getting in this year now, I have Eminem at #1, Duran Duran at #2, Pat Benatar at #3, Carly Simon at #4, Eurythmics at #5, Rage Against The Machine at #6, Beck at #7, Judas Priest at #8, Dionne Warwick at #9, A Tribe Called Quest at #10, New York Dolls at #11, Kate Bush at #12, Devo at #13, Dolly Parton at #14, Lionel Richie at #15, MC5 at #16 and Fela Kuti at #17 in terms of likelihood of getting in this year now.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 14:27pm


Richie

Ok last thing in lionel but why is carly, who has not received the highest honour in american songwriting, more seen as a songwriter than lionel, a recipient of the highest honour in American songwriting? Also so what about pop here? Carly also primarily made ac/pop music too. "You're so vain" and "nobody does it better" are as ac as "hello" and "dancing on the ceiling" Dude there is no logic here you see that right? Why is one, the less honoured and successful one, 4th and the other is 14th?

Posted by Mat j on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 14:38pm


Mat R,

I think that Carly has the edge over Lionel because she's from an era in which the Hall really loves (the 70's and the 70's Singer-Songwriter era), plus Baby Boomer voters and the fact that she's a woman and the push for more women to get in will really help her as well.

I think that Lionel's biggest problem is that he is less critically acclaimed than Carly though he had more commercial success and longevity, plus the fact that his solo stuff gets knocked as unworthy hurts him, I don't see enough people taking the time to add The Commodores, so I just don't see Lionel getting in this year (let alone ever) on his own. As I've said it before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 14:54pm


Richie

Lionel isn't less acclaimed than carly and he's also someone who was active in the 70s (remember voters are gonna think about his work with the commodores and as a writer for other people as well). On acclaimed music they're ranked like 1060 to 1080 which is nothing. He also, more so than carly, has enjoyed pitchfork acclaim and defences while carly has largely been stuck with simply having "you're so vain". Also, yes there has been a push for women but there's also been a push for people of colour because that hall had issues on many many fronts (hell we haven't even talked about rob halford and the lack of lgbtq icons in the hall). Why is one your peak and the other your gutter when they're basically in the same boat?

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 15:18pm


Mat R,

but Lionel is less critically acclaimed than Carly, I know that they're pushing for more people of color, but I think that Rage Against The Machine, Dionne Warwick and A Tribe Called Quest are all more deserving and all of them are more likely to get in this year than Lionel, so I'm going to list off this year's nominees in order of critical acclaim from http:/www.acclaimedmusic.net/ and they are:

Beck at #46
Kate Bush at #91
Eminem at #104
A Tribe Called Quest at #116
Rage Against The Machine at #239
MC5 at #292
New York Dolls at #311
Eurythmics at #344
Devo at #356
Duran Duran at #357
Dolly Parton at #425
Fela Kuti at #498
Dionne Warwick at #537
Judas Priest at #685
Carly Simon at #1041
Lionel Richie at #1091
Pat Benatar at #1502

So yeah, Carly is more critically acclaimed than Lionel.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 15:29pm


Richie

1041 to 1091 is nothing. It means 1 one them appeared on one more best songs of 1979 list than the other. If it was 679 to 1091 you'd have a point but you don't and you know it.

Also benatar is in the gutter there like damn.

I'm also gonna note here again you've got 1 act with people of colour and no LGBTQ acts getting in when last two years there had 3 acts with people of colour each and 2021 had LGBTQ representation. You keep saying the boomers favour this but what about the fact the hall voter base is loaded with progressives because odds are there are more people who identify as progressives voting than there are boomers cause a lot of boomers are also progressive.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 16:52pm


Mat R,

The reason why that I went with those seven acts as my predictions for the 2022 inductees (Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Rage Against The Machine and Carly Simon) is because all of them are in genres that Rock Hall voters have been favoring over the last several years (Carly Simon as the 70's Singer-Songwriter pick, Pat Benatar as the Classic Rock pick, Duran Duran and Eurythmics as the 80's New Wave/Alternative picks, Beck and Rage Against The Machine as the 90's Rock/Alternative picks and Eminem as the big FYE/Rap/Hip-Hop pick), so that's why I went with those acts as my predictions, though I wouldn't be surprised to see Judas Priest finally break the logjam of Hard Rock/Heavy Metal acts and Dionne Warwick get in as the 60's/Female Pop/R&B act pick as well, Those two acts (Judas Priest and Dionne Warwick) are spoilers to my predictions for the 2022 inductees (Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Rage Against The Machine and Carly Simon) this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 17:46pm


Richie

The hall doesn't know what it's doing genre wise...

70s Singer-Songwriter: there's been one in the last 5 years (Carole King) unless you're trying to say Stevie Nicks was both a singer-songwriter pick and a classic rock pick, which case why can't Lionel be that. There is no trend here.

New Wave/Alternative: there hasn't really a trend here. It's been all over from guitar focused like The Go-Gos and The Cars, which would favour Devo over Eurythmics, and post punk acts like The Cure and Depeche Mode. new Wave is as Eg put it very broad. Alternative is too and neither Duran Duran or Eurythmics are considered alternative in a traditional sense, again Devo is. It doesn't seem to be new wave trend as much as just an 80s MTV thing as evident by a lot of other inductees over the same era (which would make Lionel and Pat contenders here also). There's never been two New Wave/80s Alternative, unless you're trying to count Nine Inch Nails as New Wave, and suddenly 2 are in at once. What's more likely if we're looking at "genre trends" is we get Duran Duran, Pat Benatar, and Lionel because all of those were big on MTV between 1981 and 1985.

90s Rock/Alternative picks: They had to vote on Radiohead twice, Nine Inch Nails 3 times, Rage are on #4, no one went in 2018, and Dave Matthews Band, Soundgarden, and Jane's Addiction all failed to get in. No years has had 2 and suddenly two including a first time nominee are going in (a feat 4 massive stadium filling bands, something Beck isn't, achieved). You're ignoring the trend here. Like the 1 clear 90s trend that sees 2 90s acts going in is rapper+rocker combo which brings me to....

Eminem as the rap act is dumb because he's the pop nominee and you need to just like accept that he doesn't have to cope with being in a niche. He's Metallica or Guns N Roses and doesn't have the same baggage as much of his genre.

The clear trends we've seen over the last 5 years or so are an era shift to general 80s, a moderate openness to 90s rock acts if they're the right profile, and especially one that favours representation and diversity. You're selected class (not spoilers) ignores that last one completely

Posted by mat r on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 19:37pm


Mat R,

Eminem is not the pop nominee this year, He's the Rap/Hip-Hop nominee this year along with A Tribe Called Quest, as well as he should be, Carly Simon is a logical choice for a 70's Singer-Songwriter acts following Carole King and Todd Rundgren, Duran Duran and Eurythmics are both logical choices for 80's New Wave/Alternative acts following The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode and The Go-Go's and Beck and Rage Against The Machine are both logical choices for 90's Rock/Alternative following Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails and Foo Fighters.

Also, Lionel is not a 70's Singer-Songwriter, He's an 80's AC/Pop act and I think that Duran Duran, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics all fit the 80's MTV bill more than Lionel.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 19:48pm


Richie

Eminem is the best selling singles artist in the history if american music. He is as pop as one can be.

Rundgren wasn't a singer songwriter, he was a songsongwriter who also was a prolific producer having worked new york dolls, meat loaf, cheap trick, bad religion, hall and oats, and psychedelic furs. Summing him up as simply being a singer-songwriter misses who he is and why he got in. Interestingly lionel is closer to rundgren than simon artistry wise.

Not really cause those are all more guitar driven acts, with the exception of maybe depeche mode, and eurythmics aren't. They're also a lot less openly glam and crisp sounding than duran duran.

And again no cause radiohead and nine inch nails changed music and the course of rock and music production and both had to wait. Beck hasn't waited. Foo fighters also also hall insiders unlike beck. None of radiohead, nin, and foo fighters are metal and rage is. Rage has to deal with priest for those hard rock votes.

The expectation you're gonna get two 80s new wavers and two 90s rock acts makes little sense.

Carly is as ac as lionel is my friend and lionel got as much mtv play as any other the 3 you mentioned. "Hello" and "dancing on the ceiling" are as iconic 80s videos as "love is a battlefield" or "sweet dreams" cause we live in a culture that adores nostalgic camp.

Now you might get 1 of 80s 1 of the 90s and no lionel but all of the 90s rock and 2 of the 3 80s new wave acts go in over lionel richie when he's the only African-American male on the ballot and the only songwriter who wrote 8 #1 singles on his own seems insanely unlikely. And again those 4 acts induct 10 straight white men add eminem and pat benatar and you've got 12 going in and a lone 1 act where a straight white guy isn't going in. The only real trend that's risen in the last 5 years, diversity and representation, is gone.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 20:43pm


Mat R,

I think we'll get 1 70's Singer-Songwriter (Carly Simon), 1 Classic Rock act (Pat Benatar), 2 80's New Wave/Alternative acts (Duran Duran and Eurythmics), 2 90's Rock/Alternative acts (Beck and Rage Against The Machine) and 1 FYE/Rap/Hip-Hop act (Eminem) this year. As well as it should be. I think that if we get an African-American inductee this year, it will be either Dionne Warwick or A Tribe Called Quest, not Lionel Richie. As I've said it before, I just don't think that Lionel is getting in this year especially not with other acts that are much more deserving of induction than him on the ballot this year like Beck, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Devo, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick. As I've said it numerous times, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own. Period. End of story.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 21:41pm


Richie

You're story makes zero sense cause it ignores all recent trends.

Also no one is more deserving than any other on that list. Richie wrote his way to selling boatloads, mc5 influenced a genre and got the stooges signed, eminem helped make rap the sound of pop, kuti broke a continent into global rock, benatar gave women a face in rock in the video age, beck made indie fun.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 22:07pm


Mat R,

Can we please just drop it for now and we'll wait and see what happens, That's all we can do.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/28/2022 @ 22:27pm


Did Richie actually ask to end a diatribe? Sorry, couldn't resist lol.

I think Carly Simon is arguably pop, but she's also a bit of rock, and she is a songwriter. WHT do I think she's going in? Because Joan Baez and carole King have recently gone in and the hall does follow trends. At this point, I think we are getting pretty ready to hear the names already

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 02:27am


My favorite songs from each of the 2022 nominees:

Beck: Where It's At
Pat Benatar: Hell is for Children, Fire and Ice
Kate Bush: Running up that Hill
Devo: Freedom of Choice
Duran Duran: Rio
Eminem: Not enough of a fan to say
Eurythmics: Sweet Dreams
Judas Priest: You've Got Another Thing Comin, Breaking the Law
Fela Kuti: Water No Get No Enemy
MC5: Kick Out The Jams
New York Dolls: Personality Crisis
Dolly Parton: Jolene
Rage Against The Machine: Killing in the Name, Bulls on Parade
Lionel Richie: All Night Long, Stuck on You
Carly Simon: You're So Vain, Nobody Does it Better
A Tribe Called Quest: Verses from the Abstract
Dionne Warwick: I Say A Little Prayer, Thene from Valley of the Dolls

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 03:47am


I am still awaiting Philip's perspectives on the 2022 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees in his "Rock Hall Monitor'" blog: aren't you?

In the meantime, these are the artists who I believe will represent the 2022 Rock & Hall Of Fame Induction Class:

01. Duran Duran
02. Pat Benatar
03. Judas Priest
04. Lionel Richie
05. Carly Simon
06. Eurythmics
07. Dionne Warwick, or Dolly Parton

If 8, either Kate Bush, or Beck

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 04:05am


I do agree with Bill G. (and richie, I guess) that it would have been better/cooler if The Commodores had been nominated, rather than Lionel solo.

Bill G. is correct, the Commodores rocked way harder than Mr. Ritchie & fit the venue much better.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 06:32am


Paul in ky

Yea they are but lionel is the name and guy who wrote a ton of hits for himself, them, and other people so the nomination makes sense. Besides the hall has struggled to get rnb and funk groups from the 70s (chic, war, the meters) in for a while so the commodores probably have worse odds than lionel, who is the name and better reflects the industry friendliness of the hall (atm you don't have to rock hard you just have to be important to the story of American youth focused music post 1950)

Ky dawg

No, i asked richie to stop asking every 3 days and he replied with one of his copy/paste replies and I'm honestly sick of them and pointed out his hypocrisy and blind spots which i think are fueled more by richie not making "black music" rather than anything else. It's not richie fault cause that was most critic's criticim of richie for a long time and kind of built into people's opinions of mr. Richie.

Simon definitely has a case to go in and are there are precedents but i don't think there's a trend supporting her beyond the women in music one. King and Baez are distant enough that i wouldn't call it a trend (I'd also argue Baez and simom are too different style wise and era wise). Simon genre wise falls into a similar boat to richie as both made adult orientated pop music (you can argue she didn't but the evidence is in where she charted) and if we're gonna say "well she's got a bit of rock to her" then we should be able to say the same of him cause he does and he wrote a ton of songs for people.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 07:27am


K-Dawg,

Which names do you think we are getting pretty ready to hear their names announced as the 2022 Rock Hall inductees already?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 10:04am


Mat R,

I'm sorry but there is way too much confusion of adding Richie's name and talking about Lionel Richie lol. I apologize but I'm gonna have to sift through that to understand.

If there is any confusion from my camp about Lionel Richie, I think he's a shoo-in, and he should be, despite the fact most of us already agree that he should have gone in first with the Commodores. Just because the Hall screws things up doesn't mean we should punish him though. The name has been dropped, so let him go in..

My case for Carly Simon being rock is an easy one. "You're So Vain" is a staple on many classic rock formats. I know that isn't her entire sound. And, the women trend is true, but she is also considered a songwriter. And that nicely folds in the 70s female singer songwriter cat, although I do admit they don't always operate that way.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 10:56am


K-Dawg,

I think the 2022 inductees will be (in two scenarios):

Scenario #1 (If only 6 inductees):

Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Scenario #2 (If 7 inductees):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race this year on March 14 will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.


Either way, I think these two scenarios are the most likely outcome for the 2022 induction class.

Also, Which names do you think we are getting pretty ready to hear their names announced as the 2022 Rock Hall inductees already?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 11:18am


Do you guys just repeat yourselves on here? I'm new to this site but it seems like the same questions are repeatedly asked by one person. It's like the definition of insanity.

And you are kidding yourself if you seriously do not think Dolly Parton isn't getting inducted this year. Just because you tap your feet together and think something will happen doesn't make it so.

Posted by Alex K on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 11:26am


Alex K,

I'm not kidding myself, I seriously don't think that Dolly will be inducted this year now, I think that she shot herself in the foot with her announcement about her withdrawal from the ballot and bowing out of the race this year and the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, so I just don't think that Dolly will be inducted this year now unless they induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 11:35am


Did that stop the Hall from inducting Sex Pistols and Todd Rungdren? No and just because an artist doesn't want to get inducted doesn't mean anything. Dolly's statement was nice and thoughtful but, at the end of the day, she has no control whether she gets in or not. I seriously doubt the voting body even cares about her statement and many have probably already voted. I think what will happen is she'll be announced as an inductee in May, embrace it and probably even be there in-person to receive the award. Crazier things have happened. It seems like you try talking yourself into thinking will happen when it probably won't. And you're overanalyzing something that's pretty straightforward.

Posted by Alex K on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 11:47am


K-Dawg

Yea I try to say Lionel a lot to avoid confusion but it feels weirdly like diminishing to him if that makes sense. I dunno it is confusing

I largely agree with you on Simon but I don't think we're exactly see a woman singer-songwriter type trend but instread a general induct women one (I think you agree). I think if there is a singer songer writer box: her, Lionel, Beck, Dolly (who is very much still at play here) all kind of are vying for it and I think a lot of the pluses and minuses we think of such as era, acclaim, gender, and genre are all kind of void with that crop of nominees like Carly is the 70s but Beck is a hell of a lot more acclaimed and Lionel is the superstar but Dolly is beyond beloved.

For people like Carly and Lionel I think it comes down to sales (both do well) and political factors, both hall and at-large. I think the progressive vote could go either way but Lionel is campaigning hard without looking like he's campaigning and likely benefits from being the lone African American male solo act and I think Carly is dependent on Dolly votes being redirected towards her and being more industry friendly than Pat, who is nominated with Neil, to because she was sidelined with surgery and has missed the fan vote.

Alex K

Yea Richie does that and he seeminly won't stop.

And yea Dolly is a strong contender, even after her removal request. I think she'll likely score top 7

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 11:55am


Alex K,

I know that about The Sex Pistols and Todd Rundgren, but Dolly's situation is different than both Sex Pistols and Todd Rundgren, I think that Dolly's situation is more like the first time that Radiohead were nominated in 2018 on their first year eligible and booked a concert on the day of the induction ceremony in South America, so that cost Radiohead getting in FYE that year, so I think that Dolly's announcement about her withdrawal from the ballot and bowing out of the race this year will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I just don't think that Dolly will be inducted this year now unless they induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 11:59am


Dolly Parton and Radiohead's situations are two completely different things. One had an ongoing tour that couldn't be re-scheduled because of a potential Rock Hall induction. They didn't say 'please don't induct me,' but rather it seemed unlikely they would show up. The other just said 'please induct me yet.' Yet is the keyword because Dolly is open to induction someday but not at this moment. Either way, it's out of their hands and up to the voters who frankly don't overanalyze these aspects when casting their ballots.

Posted by Alex K on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 12:07pm


Mat R,

I just don't think that Dolly is a strong contender now and I don't think that she'll be in the top 7 (let alone the top 10) in votes, I think that her withdrawal from the ballot and bowing out of the race this year will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I just don't think that Dolly will get in this year now unless they induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 12:10pm


And you're kidding yourselves if you don't think Lionel Richie isn't getting in or at least has one of the strongest chances to get in. Just last night I saw Lionel on TV for an American Idol commercial. He's everywhere and still relevant nearly 50 years later. How many artists can claim that? Besides Dolly, he's probably the most well-connected person in the music industry nominated for induction this year. They all probably can't wait to vote for Lionel and he absolutely deserves induction into the Rock Hall.

Posted by Alex K on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 12:13pm


Alex K,

I just don't see it for Lionel this year, I think that there are other acts on the ballot this year that are much more deserving of induction this year than Lionel like Beck, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Devo, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick. so I think that the inductees this year will come from out of those 13 acts (Beck, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Devo, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick). I just don't think that either Dolly or Lionel will get in this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 12:19pm


I'm confused - why don't you think Lionel isn't happening this year? And please don't say it's because The Commodores aren't included. Lionel had no control over that and that is on the Rock Hall. That's a bogus reason if that's your answer.

Posted by Alex K on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 12:24pm


Richie + Alex K

Plus everyone knew Radiohead wasn't going to show in 2019. They had, with the exception of Colin Greenwood, said they weren't interested and didn't care prior. Colin even joked about how he'd play "Creep" on his own at the induction. Ultimately, despite know the band would not perform and possibly only one member, the lowest profile member, would show up, Radiohead were voted in and Colin managed to convince Philip Selway to join him.

There's also the Axl Rose stuff where he basically threatened to sue if he personally was inducted and they still did it and he bent the knee

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 12:30pm


Exactly and right on Mat R.

Posted by Alex K on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 12:35pm


Alex K,

The reason why that I don't think that Lionel will happen this year is because of a few things:

1. His solo stuff gets knocked as unworthy and I don't see enough people taking the time to add The Commodores.

2. If he does get inducted, There may be a bit of a backlash against him being inducted, Don't really understand why The Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with The Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some may have been huge hits, were average in quality at best.

3. I think that The Commodores are far more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and I think that Lionel would have a better chance if The Commodores had gotten nominated instead of Lionel solo.

4. There are just too many other acts on the ballot this year that are much more deserving of induction and that are far more likely to get in this year than him like Beck, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Devo, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick.

So yeah, I just don't think that Lionel is getting in this year (let alone ever) on his own, As I've said it before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 12:38pm


Richie Imma butt in cause I'm annoyed by your stubbornness

1. His solo stuff gets knocked as unworthy and I don't see enough people taking the time to add The Commodores.

- His work was knocked but it's now kind of viewed fondly. Pitchfork likes him and values the camp of it, his set at Bonnaroo in 2014 and Vegas res met with universal acclaim, Tuskegee earned great acclaim, he just won the Gershwin Prize. Also the industry people eg the people who decide the Grammys and make up a massive block of Hall voters love him

2. If he does get inducted, There may be a bit of a backlash against him being inducted, Don't really understand why The Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with The Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some may have been huge hits, were average in quality at best.

- Whitney Houston and Hall and Oats are in and "average at best" half the hall are middle of the road acts. Moody Blues aren't some critical darlings. Nor is Pat Benatar or Carly Simon who you are bullish on

3. I think that The Commodores are far more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and I think that Lionel would have a better chance if The Commodores had gotten nominated instead of Lionel solo.

- Lionel sold more records than the Commodores, wrote more #1s on his own than anyone else, and has been relevant for 50 years

4. There are just too many other acts on the ballot this year that are much more deserving of induction and that are far more likely to get in this year than him like Beck, Pat Benatar, Kate Bush, Devo, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, New York Dolls, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick.

- Again no one is more deserving than Lionel and he is no more deserving than others

So yeah, I just don't think that Lionel is getting in this year (let alone ever) on his own, As I've said it before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

- Chic, The Meters, War all couldn't get in even with 11, 5, and 3 past nominations. Why are the Commodores gonna be the 70s funk band to do it?

That is all I'm done

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 13:07pm


Alex K, not sure what you mean by this line: 'and you are kidding yourself if you seriously do not think Dolly Parton isn't getting inducted this year'

Might be a quadruple-negative there...

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 13:40pm


For the record, I think Lionel is getting in. He should get in for his solo work.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 13:45pm


While we wait for the rock hall class, its cousin across the border the Canadian Music Hall of Fame announced its 2022 inductee: RnB singer Deborah Cox. Best known for her Billboard top 10 hits "Nobody's Supposed to Be Here" and "We Can't Be Friends" which drove her 1998 album One Wish to platinum status stateside and gold in Canada (her debut went platinum in Canada and gold in the US), Cox is the second woman or colour (first African-Canadian woman) and 4th woman to go in in the last 5 years (second in a row).

Congrats to her.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 14:57pm


My final predictions for the 2022 inductees are (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Beck, Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest, New York Dolls, Kate Bush, Devo

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race this year on March 14 will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, The Hall doesn't want a potential inductee to not show up and perform at the ceremony. I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 14:58pm


I'm just not up for analyzing Richie's ramblings today, but I want to take a stab at one thing.

He sits there and says over and over (and over and over) that Lionel isn't going in. Yet, in many of his prediction lists, he puts Lionel Richie ON his selections.

What is your consensus? Is he going in or not?

If he's not, then I suggest you leave him off your choices. If he is, then just throw up some disclaimer in your cut and paste that you think he is unworthy without the Commodores (who most people I think are in agreement that both are worthy), and put him there without having to add your 3 sentences explaining why you don't feel he should go in solo.

Alex K,

Welcome to the site. It gets tedious here at times, but the scroll feature is useful. I hope you aren't scared off by the occasion repetition, but at least we don't have rocker purists here typing in all caps and beating their chests about why their favorite one hit wonder is more worthy of the Hall than say, anyone who doesn't play a guitar

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 16:11pm


My final predictions for the 2022 inductees are:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Rage Against The Machine, Beck, Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest, Devo, Kate Bush, New York Dolls

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race this year on March 14 will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, The Hall doesn't want a potential inductee to not show up and perform at the ceremony. I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 16:18pm


K-Dawg,

I have had a change of heart on Lionel Richie and I'm going to include him in my final predictions for the 2022 inductees, He is a big name and a big draw for the ceremony and would sell tickets and bring TV Ratings, so I have decided to include him in my predictions for the 2022 inductees.

My final predictions for the 2022 inductees are:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

If 7:

Judas Priest or Rage Against The Machine

I think that Dolly Parton's withdrawal from the ballot this year even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her bowing out of the race this year on March 14 will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, The Hall doesn't want a potential inductee to not show up and perform at the ceremony. I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 16:26pm


I can't believe this whole discussion about Lionel has reached about two months. This is so dumb. Both Richie (our Richie) and Mat R have good points. Richie, I'm annoyed at you repeating the same statements. You have the argument, but you repeat the same points over and over to it not being a argument. Instead you sound like tape recorder. You need to find more evidence of your argument and try to see some things in Mat R's perspective. You might agree on something! Mat R, you have made a case for Lionel. You have elaborated your points. However, if Richie is really on your nerves just don't reply. Internet 101 do not argue with a stupid person or in Richie's case a denier. You are talking yourself to a wall and eventually resort to being the thing Richie is. Unbelievable. This website has made me lose some brain cells for the past 2 and half years.


And if you want my opinion on Lionel Richie. Well, let's leave it at I don't like him, but I don't hate him.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 19:40pm


Side Category talk

Aside from MC5, Kuti, Rakim, Chaka, Thornton, Coltrane, Axton, and Pittman, who else are people liking for AEM, Early Influence, and Non-Performer due to buzz projects and retrospectives? Seems like the 5th Dimension have minor buzz from fans of Summer of Soul, Ronnie James Dio just had a doc, Sondheim (while mega left of centre) had two massive film projects right after his death. Anyone else worth mention due to a doc, podcast, or TV program?

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 21:09pm


Mat R,

I think Dolly Parton for either Early Influence or Musical Excellence, I think that voters will respect her decision to bow out of the race and not vote for her, so I think that they will use one of the side categories for her.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/29/2022 @ 21:24pm


Plebeian,

Great points. Let me throw a different topic at you in a side related manner. Is there any single nominee you feel like hasn't gotten enough attention that you feel has a decent chance, if not a slam dunk, into the Hall of Fame?

For me, and I'm not personally predicting them in any way, shape or form solely based on past trends, but I think Judas Priest needs a little more attention. Just because I'm not personally seeing it, but their induction would open a floodgate rivaling Dolly and the country music front. The Hall NEEDS to induct them, even if I'm of the mind of "prove me wrong" at this point.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 00:18am


K-Dawg,

I think the 2022 inductees will be based on recent trends:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 00:20am


K-Dawg,

Yeah Judas Priest seems to being cruising well. I could see them as the macho classic rock act. Also fits the three timers club too. Rage Against The Machine I'm surprised hasn't been given light either. I think the Los Angeles home turf benefits them. Plus at this point, Tom is gonna need his turn too. Now that Grohl is a double inductee and Questlove hones his pet projects in the side categories, it's only natural for Morello to get in. Would emphasize his role as the dude to get Metal and Hard Rock recognized. A JP and Rage combo could potential make the Hall not afraid of such heavy.

Side note, my one concern about the class we are predicting is that it feels so contemporary? Like we are mostly predicting a very lightweight class consisting of Eminem, Duran Duran, Dolly Parton, Carly Simon, Lionel Richie, and Dionne Warwick. That sounds like a really lame class to me. Needs that spice to make it round out you know? Looks like we are predicting the Contemporary or Easy Listening Hall of Fame more than anything.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 00:58am


*acts

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 00:59am


I didn't came up with my thoughts on this year's nominees yet. It took me some time this year.

I believe there's a case for everyone of the nominees to be inducted. That of course is due to the crazy low numbers of inductees per year. This is probably the best ballot in recent years, at least in my opinion.

So, my STRICTLY PERSONAL breakdown for every nominee:

Eminem: Probably one of the biggest names of the 21st century. He will get in undoubtedly and absolutely deserved.

Pat Benatar: One of the minor acts on my list. Beyond three popular songs (We Belong, Batllefield and Hit Me...) she's not someone I spend my time listening to. Her merits are bringing the female aspect to Rock Music, similar to Joan Jett, who's already in.

A Tribe Called Quest: High quality Hip Hop Music. I fear they fall short this year. For a Hip Hop act to get in on the first try, an uber-big name (Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z, probably Eminem) seems to be necessary. How many times were N.W.A nominated before getting in? Three, four times?

Carly Simon: James Taylor got in 20 years ago. I really don't know, what took the Hall so long to get her nominated? Personally, I like her song catalogue much more than his. Thankfully Singer-Songwriters are always acknowledged by the Hall, I believe she has a real chance this year.

Kate Bush: If it was for me, she would have been inducted years ago, when she was initially nominated. She is highly influential on many (female) acts that follow. I can't imagine someone like Billie Eilish or Lady Gaga if there wasn't Kate Bush who paved the way.

Judas Priest: One of the three major Metal bands (with Iron Maiden and Motorhead) that have been nominated in recent years. Of course there is bias against Metal. Out of these three, Judas Priest is number three on my personal list, but for chronological reasons, they should go in first.

Duran Duran: There was a time when I loved them. Ordinary World was one of my favourite songs. For some reason, my interest in their music declined rapidly. Their role in New Wave should be recognized, regardless my opinion.

MC5: I'm one of those people who think influence and impact should be rated higher than popularity, sale numbers and longevity. Right after The Sonics (*hm*, where's their nomination?) they were the second punk band and they paved the way for following acts (Stooges, NY Dolls, and the whole punk scene). There aren't many "originators" of a genre left out. MC5 (and the Sonics and New York Dolls) needs to be inducted.

New York Dolls: Any other year, they would be very high on my list, but MC5 should be ranked a little bit higher when it comes to influence and impact.

Devo: New Wave pioneers, they should also be recognized some day, but except for "Whip It", they're not my cup of tea.

Beck: I love Alternative Music. This year, he's the only real Alternative act (not counting Eurythmics and Kate Bush). IMO, he should be inducted immediatly.

Dionne Warwick: She's an incredible singer. "Walk on By" is a towering song. The whole discussion about wether she fits in the "Rock and Roll" pattern (much like Lionel Richie by the way) or if she's "only" Easy Listening, is absurd. I believe the current "Rock and Roll" frame is still too limited to catch every aspect of the music, that originated from the commonly accepted roots. I know this is a minority opinion and makes "purists" go crazy.

Rage against the Machine: Unlike other Rock acts of this time, Rage never connected with me. Don't know why. Powerful lyrics and a guitar god should speak for them.

Lionel Richie: I like chronological accuracy. Lionel Richie's solo career is worth for consideration, but then again, it makes me nuts that the Commodores have to wait.

Eurythmics: With "Sweet Dreams" they managed to take New Wave music to a higher level, at least in UK and EU. Annie Lennox is an iconic figure in popular music's history. For me, they are THE outstanding act of New Wave music, therefore my favorite act this year.

Fela Kuti: I was so happy to read his name on the ballot last year. It was a chance for the Hall to stretch the boundaries, but they wasted it. He made outstanding music that was so ahead of the time.

Dolly Parton: She deserves every single award conceivable. Again, the discussion if she's Rock or not, is absurd. I mean, "Jolene", ask Jack White if it's Rock. Imagine Whitney Houston's career without "I Will Always Love You". There are other names of the "Country" genre, especially "Outlaw Country" and "Americana", that would make great inductees: Willie Nelson, Emmylou Harris, Waylon Jennings, Kris Kristofferson, Townes Van Zandt, Steve Earle, John Prine, Allison Krauss, Gillian Welch. Dolly Parton would be a perfect opener for these artists.


So, my STRICTLY PERSONAL ranking:
Eminem
Eurythmics
Carly Simon
Kate Bush
Dolly Parton
Beck
MC5
New York Dolls
Dionne Warwick
Fela Kuti
A Tribe Called Quest
Judas Priest
Lionel Richie
Pat Benatar
Rage Against The Machine
Devo
Duran Duran

Posted by MichaelEU on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 03:02am


Plebian

Your one concern about the class we are predicting is that it feels so contemporary. I guess you mean Adult contemporary. A bunch of people here are predicting a very lightweight class. Ahh but 3 of my predictions are Pat Benatar, Judas Priest and Rage Against the Machine. It was wisely pointed out by one of you fine regulars forgot who, while it seems like 2 heavy metal acts at the same time. Judas Priest is true actual Heavy Metal but Rage Against TM is Alternative of the 90s. This alllows for both. This happened before in 2014. Kiss was a kinda Heavy Metal act that were inducted and Nirvana was certainly the definition of Alternative. The 2014 class had its lightweight side with Linda Ronstadt and Cat Stevens. It worked out marvelous. The 2014 class was great I think. Even though Kiss brought controversy and refused to perform. Kiss and Nirvana brought spice in 2014. Similarly in 2019 Def Leppard and Radiohead were inducted at same time. They also brought spice to the ceremony. The ceremony also had Stevie Nicks who is sooo terrific but has a bunch of light music. Now that I think about it 2019 was kind of spiced up. But anyway at least 2 kinda loud spicy acts have been inducted at same time in the past. I agree with you on what a lot of people are predicting. My Predictions have that spice. The class I predict is a bit different than others here.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 03:49am


Who do you think will make the cut for induction this year (If 7 inductees instead of 6) and Which do you have as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year (If 7 inductees instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 09:15am


K-Dawg + Plebeian

I'm liking the Priest induction but I think it goes beyond just getting metal in or them being the macho act. The Hall doesn't have many openly gay icons. There's Elton, Michael Stipe, and Joan Jett but beyond him you have closeted figures like Janis Joplin and Freddie Mercury (the later who has complicated relationships to the LGBTQ community to the point he is not seen as a gay icon by many), people who said they "weren't really gay" like Bowie or were only gay for pay like Kiedis and Flea, people who renounced homosexuality and being trans as sinful like Little Richard, people who are bi but often seen as "mostly" heterosexual like Cobain, Bolan, Reed, and Billie Joe or kind of side figures like Jane Wiedlin. It's a category where the hall lacks high profile figures and Rob Halford is an openly gay who came out at a time it was seen as risky to MTV and incorporated gay culture heavily into his art.

The man pretty legit is something the hall needs beyond just "helps break in metal". He's an iconic figure outside of music, hell there's speculation the dating app Grindr is named after a Judas Priest song. There's a lot of talk about the Hall needing diversity and Priest delivers it in a big way that matters that not many other acts can deliver (just off the top of my head and it's like The B52s, George Michael, Tracy Chapman, KD Lang, and The Smiths that could maybe be inducted soon).

There's likely a number of voters who are going to think about Rob and who is and what he represents. You like maybe someone votes for Eminem and then thinks about balancing out the vote because of Eminem's lyrical content and checks off Judas Priest or maybe someone wants to vote solely for the underrepresented picks them, Tribe, Dionne, Lionel, Fela, and Rage or an old rock guy feels weird picking an all straight white ballot and picks them over Rage (cause the way people do diversity is far from perfect).

TLDR: The induction of Priest not only helps bring metal in but helps with LGBTQ representation which the Hall is lacking. This will also likely be a factor.

My pics
-Eminem
-Duran Duran
-Pat Benatar
-Dionne Warwick
-Lionel Richie
-Judas Priest
-(if 7) A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 09:31am


Mat R,

Wait what?

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 09:44am


Plebeian

Rob Halford is an openly gay man who came out at a time when that was not seen a typical and a big deal (it was like a year after Ellen). Him being inducted with Priest not only helps grow metal in the hall but expands what is a very underrepresented minority in the Hall when it comes to high profile inductees which is the LGBTQ community, which is currently represented in a very limited and flawed way within the Hall.

The Hall has pretty openly talked about becoming more diverse and aiming for better representation in recent years and Halford is a good figure to help with that. We all know metal struggles and needs more inductees but so does the LGBTQ community and Priest does both.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 10:04am


My final predictions for the 2022 inductees are:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Judas Priest, Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest, Beck, Kate Bush, Devo, New York Dolls

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 10:32am


Holy cow it was very early. I was responding to Plebian wanting more spice in the 2022 class. And so for over 2 months I have predicted Judas Priest and Rage ATM. I had no idea that mat r was starting a buzz here on Priest Yeah Judas Priest seems to being cruising well. I could see them as the heavy rock classic rock act. Also fits the three timers club too. Rage Against The Machine I'm surprised hasn't been given light either. I think the Los Angeles home turf benefits this group. Wheras I had to catch up on Rage ATM during early 2000s. I have known the Judas Priest music since the 80s. I had a best friend who was a huge original Heavy Metal fan. His favorite band of all time was Priest. Worshiped the group. Whereas my favs are the Who, Eric Clapton, B Dylan and Moody Blues,etc. This friend was pure old 1980s metal. He played me entire albums of Priest that I never heard of. I heard albums like Stained Class and Hell Bent for Leather. On my own I dig a lot of big songs by the Priest.I love the tunes Hell Bent for Leather, Breaking the Law and You've Got Another Thing C. Tragically this Heavy Metal friend Mike died in 2008 at 41. I got memories of the Priest albums. And Also Queensryche and Savatage. I think Priest are inducted this year

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 12:40pm


K-Dawg,

Which names do you think we are getting pretty ready to hear their names announced as the 2022 Rock Hall inductees already?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 15:13pm



Richie,

Please, please stop posting repetitive comments and questions. Unless something in your prediction changes, you shouldn't post it every day. Same goes for the endless questions. If someone has answered a question that you have asked, don't ask them again, and don't ask them a question that's so similar that it might as well be the same one. For example, asking "Which names do you think we are getting pretty ready to hear their names announced as the 2022 Rock Hall inductees already?" is the same thing as asking "Who do you predict will be inducted this year?", just phrased in a much more confusing way, so you shouldn't ask either question if that person has posted their predictions already.

I know you're just really interested in this, and want to talk to people about it. So do we. But it can get really frustrating when the other things that we are trying to discuss are buried behind the same handful of repetitive comments that you keep posting multiple times a day.

Thank you.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 17:03pm


RG,

Thank you for the compliment, and Yes, I'll stop sending the same comments over and over again, It's not good to send the same comments over and over again, so yeah, I'll stop doing it.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 17:17pm


That's one prediction in. Now I just need the other 12. The list of predictors from last time were: Charles Crossly Jr., E-Rockracy, Tom Lane, Jason Voight, Nick Bambach, AlexVoltaire, The Music Zamboni, Philip/Rock Hall Monitors, Troy L. Smith, Donnie Durham, Michelle Bourg, Future Rock Legends, and Who Cares About The Rock Hall?

I can cross Troy off from that list, now I just need the others.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/30/2022 @ 19:15pm


With only 31 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the chances for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class will be as follows:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be the shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes.

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps all important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. The Rock Hall appears to love the Eurythmics also. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain?' With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 03/31/2022 @ 04:19am


Since we're now at the end of March and heading into April, Who do you think will make the cut for induction this year (If 7 inductees instead of 6) and Which do you have as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year (If 7 inductees instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/31/2022 @ 11:15am


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W, K-Dawg, Ben, KING, Enig, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Nick B., Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Lax39, Mat R, JWC, Alex K, Jordan Einstein and others,

What are your predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6) and Which acts do you have as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6) in two scenarios (with Dolly Parton and without Dolly Parton)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/31/2022 @ 21:21pm


Instead of predictions let's do something creative.

Who would you replace every artist with (they have to be similar to the original artist in some way) and why

Beck replaced with Pavement: Pavement are kind of undeniable THE indie band of the 90s and massively influential, oddly more so than their predecessors like Pixies, Sonic Youth, and The Replacements. Without them no Beck, no Guided by Voices, no White Stripes, no Arcade Fire, ect. Their first two albums are the building blocks of modern indie.

Pat Benatar replaced with The Bangles: Simply put I want more women in the hall and all-women groups are the fastest way to do that. I also think The Bangles have more songs, better songs, and better more iconic songs than Pat Benatar.

Kate Bush replaced with Nico: Nico is a hangover pick, she could have gone in with Velvet Underground but didn't. I prefer this correction to some of the other proposed ones (like Estelle Axton) because Nico is credibly important to gothic music and post punk. Without her a lot of the performance and fashion we have in music might not be. Beyond that another non-UK/US act which the hall needs more of.

Devo replaced with The B52s: Probably less influential and interesting but definitely more accessible, I think The B52s give the hall a lot of new wave pop fun while also bringing in a pair of women and several members of the LGBTQ communities into the Hall. This is the type of act the hall needs quite badly.

Duran Duran replaced with Joy Division/New Order: Pretty clear why. Joy Division and New Order are two of the most important British acts of the 80s and they're two bands for the price of one. "Love Will Tear Us Apart" and "Blue Monday" are easily among the most iconic songs in history.

Eminem replaced with Outkast: This is basically a like for like swap. Outkast were as popular and influential as Eminem and ran in the same genre and era. The fact they've yet to be nominated is weird.

Eurythmics replaced with Daft Punk: Like Outkast, it's weird Daft Punk haven't been nominated yet. Possibly the most influential group post-Nirvana. Their influence is vast and they enjoyed incredible success. The hold up seems to be that Kraftwerk took forever.

Judas Priest replaced with Ted Nugent: You know what? To hell with it, the Hall has been struggling with the British icons of metal maybe it's time to try this "all-american" guy who hates the hall and is a dick. Nugent is incredible controversial but the nomination takes away a lot of his and his supporters power to criticize the hall and gives American 70s hard rock and metal a shot.

Fela Kuti replaced with Lee "Scratch" Perry: Innovative singer and producer with a sound that helped reshaped pop. Without him alternative rock and rap might not exist.

MC5 replaced with The Kingsmen: If we're looking at bands with one really important song (like the MC5) then The Kingsmen are the most logical pick.

New York Dolls replaced with Throbbing Gristle: What the Dolls are to Hair Metal, Throbbing Gristle is to Industrial. A lot of really prolific members with a lot of interesting music. Controversial cause of Cosey Fanni Tutti's allegations against Genesis P-Orridge but without them there is no Nine Inch Nails or Steve Albini or Yeezus-era Kanye.

Dolly Parton replaced with George Jones and Tammy Wynette: Yes you could go with Willie or Merle or give Prine and Twitty another go or you could go with the power couple that between them recorded arguably the two greatest songs in country music history with "He Stopped Loving Her Today" and "Stand by Your Man" along with a handful of hit albums together.

Rage Against the Machine replaced with Ministry: Super influential industrial metal heads who have been running for 40 years and enjoyed high levels of success in the worlds of metal, alternative, and dance dominating the alt metal scene of the late 80s and early 90s.

Lionel Richie replaced with Boyz II Men: Instead of going with the obvious, Boyz II Men enjoyed surreal levels of success in the RnB world of the 90s with II being a diamond album that is now widely regarded as a true classic of the genre.

Carly Simon replaced with Buffy Sainte-Marie: A folkie of the era prior, Sainte-Marie broke serious ground and has managed to stay seriously critically relevant for about 60 years becoming the first First Nations person to win an Academy Award in the 80s and win the ultra prestigious and uber hip Polaris Music Prize in 2015.

A Tribe Called Quest replaced with Wu-Tang Clan: Another obvious pick that is almost like with like. Their debut Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) is a landmark of rap and every member, all nine of them, is a key figure in hip hop history.

Dionne Warwick replaced with Cher: Like Dionne we get a lot of hits but unlike Dionne we get a ton of genres and pop culture iconicness. Cher is everywhere from important Hollywood dramas to your local drag bar. Grammy winning singer, Oscar winning actress, and Emmy winning entertainer who went from being a borderline member of the Wrecking Crew to recording "Believe," the dance recording that introduce the world to autotune. She has a #1 single in every decade since the 1960s so yea she should go in.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 03/31/2022 @ 21:51pm


Hmm. Just checked the Ballot tracker after FRL retweeted Sean Fennessey's ballot on Twitter.

Now I don't want to get my hopes up, but based on the ballot tracker, it would be cool to see A Tribe Called Quest inducted on their first try, and also see two Hip Hop inductees in one year.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 03:14am


John R.C.

Yea I'm thinking there's a decent chance it happens. I've read some of the justifications from those and it seems to be the same reason: there music has aged better than everyone else nominated and that 2016 album proved eternal brilliance.

They seem to have the beaten beck, bush, and fela for that critic vote (at least for now) based off a combo of those who have voted and the critics who have been on who cares about the rock hall. That could be what pushes them over the edge.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 07:21am


Mat r,

I'll give your idea a shot. I think only one of my substitutions duplicates yours.

Eminem becomes Nas
Eurythmics becomes The Jam
Dolly Parton becomes Willie Nelson
Devo becomes The B-52's
Rage Against The Machine becomes Smashing Pumpkins
Beck becomes Bjork
A Tribe Called Quest becomes Salt-N-Pepa
Kate Bush becomes The Smiths
Lionel Richie becomes George Michael
Judas Priest becomes Motorhead
Fela Kuti becomes Toots & the Maytalls
New York Dolls becomes Jethro Tull
Carly Simon becomes Tracy Chapman
Duran Duran becomes INXS
Dionne Warwick becomes Diana Ross
The MC5 becomes Big Star
Pat Benatar becomes Foreigner

Pretty fun exercise. I wouldn't mind at all if that substitute ballot were the real one.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 07:39am


If Tribe doesn't get in, it would indicate a lack of support from performers, as critics certainly seem to be on board. I would be very pleasantly surprised to see them get inducted.

On the other hand, I'm bummed that Beck seems to be doing so poorly. He's the last artist to not have any votes on the ballot tracker. He'd definitely be in my top 5 if I had a ballot. Oh well.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 07:58am


Here's the current vote totals so far in the public ballot tracker and they are:

At 66.67% of the vote and on 8 ballots is Eminem.
At 58.33% of the vote and on 7 ballots are Duran Duran.
At 50% of the vote and on 6 ballots are A Tribe Called Quest
At 41.67% of the vote and on 5 ballots are Pat Benatar and Dolly Parton (all the voters who voted for Dolly voted before she bowed herself out of the race this year)
At 25% of the vote and on 3 ballots are Devo, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Fela Kuti, New York Dolls and Rage Against The Machine.
At 16.67% of the vote and on 2 ballots are MC5 and Dionne Warwick.
At 8.33% of the vote and on 1 ballot are Kate Bush, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon.

So Beck is the only artist who hasn't been on any ballots yet so far.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 09:18am


Watching a video from a favorite YT channel, uncharacteristically yet making sense, this content creator did an article about the Spice Girls. Which gives me an interesting query, if it's an April fool's joke of a question is a matter of debate. Do you think they have a spot in the RRHOF as either a moment in history or an outright deserving act for induction? Their influence cannot be denied, for sure, and comically, they are eligible this year for the first time...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 09:27am


Michael W.

"Carly Simon becomes Tracy Chapman" I actually like that pick a lot. Feels like Chapman doesn't get the attention of Hall followers but she's got the same sales and the acclaim that your Simons and Kings and Mitchells have. "Fast Car" is pretty legit a contender for top 5 (maybe even 3) folk rock songs ever and her influence just from that song is pretty vast from Soul Asylum to Brandi Carlile. If you're putting in Cheap Trick and Doobie Bros who don't have a "Fast Car" ya might as well just open the door to her cause that's a genre and era defining song that still hits hard. She's also got enough other hits like "Just Give me a Reason" and "Baby Can I Hold You" that you're gonna get a good set at the induction. I really like this pick.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 09:29am


K-Dawg

Maybe but unlike destiny's child there's no real desire and unlike britney spears there won't be the pressure to induct them. Maybe in 2040 after Beyonce, britney, justin, rihanna, pink, backstreet boys, and gaga have all been inducted they'll go in...unless the beckhams do a back channel push for it mega hardcore

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 10:55am


Most interesting about the 11 ballots submitted so far is that Beck who most analysis predicted will get is the only nominee with 0 votes while A Tribe Called Quest was overlooked and currently in 3rd place among the submitted ballots because they thought Eminem will siphon votes from them. I think at this stage it is almost safe to assume that Beck should be swapped in with ATCQ about who should be getting in.

Posted by jay f k on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 16:02pm


Since it's now April, Who do you think will make the cut for induction this year (If 7 inductees instead of 6) and Which do you have as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year (If 7 inductees instead of 6) in two scenarios (with Dolly Parton and without Dolly Parton)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 16:38pm


Devo
New York Dolls
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Dionne Warwick
Duran Duran
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Beck

Parton substitute: Kate Bush

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 04/1/2022 @ 18:29pm


K-Dawg,

Heyy I'd watch the Spice Girls article as sort of a goof. I mean I wouldn't take it too seriously like a Docs of Tom Petty. Pink Floyd and Michael Jackson, But nonetheless it seems fun, Tell me about YT channels! BUT the Spice Girls have no shot anytime soon for a spot in the RNR Hall of Fame. I would watch it for comical reasons. Let me know

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 03:24am


Ben

Yea I'd be curious to watch too but i wouldn't say no chance.

The spice girls are, too put it blunty, more rock n roll and punk than any of the britpop bands. They pretty legit radicalized the sound of pop and position women held in the uk scene. Also mercury prize nominees.

That said, if they go in there's gonna be a hell of a wait unless the beckhams use their connections. They're not as vital stateside as backstreet (who i think have a decent argument to go in) or destiny's child, tlc, or en vogue (i think destiny's child and tlc have strong chances to be considered) or solo pop acts like britney, justin, rihanna, gaga, pink, and Beyonce (double inductee y'all). All or most of those acts will go in before the spice girls and aguilera are even on the table.

Oddly i think simon fuller and simon cowell, two key players in the spice girls story, will go in before them. Like them or hate them they are massively important to the history of popular music through idol, x factor, and got talent.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 08:45am


With only 27 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be the shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes.

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps all important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. The Rock Hall appears to love the Eurythmics also. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain?' With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 11:25am


I'm glad the Spice Girls were brought up here. I think they will be Nominated and Inducted 1 day. The Rock & Roll HOF has broadened and opened it up to some mostly pop and rap groups for Induction. The Spice Girls were excellent dancers and vocalists. It didn't hurt they were quite attractive. Plus, they sold millions of albums. It probably helps that there were at least 5 members that I remember. It would give more women representation to the Hall. The Village People I think should be Inducted too. They were unique and influential. Most groups would sacrifice to the Gods to have 1 single like Y.M.C.A. Village People also had big hits Macho Man and In The Navy. I'm a big fan of 5 O Clock In The Morning. I've nominated the song but it hasn't been inducted on FRL yet. Unique bands like DEVO, Human League, The B-52's, Village People probably will all be inducted someday. Sometimes, daring to be different is the right decision. I'm curious how many FRL Regulars would rate the odds of Induction for... 1. The Spice Girls 2. Village People 3. Human League 4. DEVO 5. The B-52's. Also, if you started a band, would you be more hard rock or rock with the singer, guitarist, bassist, drummer set up? Or have a more experimental or electronic group? Can't wait to watch the Final Four games. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 11:56am


ENIG
An impressive post Enig on your Inductees for the 2022 RRHOF Class. I would mention Beck and Rage Against The Machine as some other possibilities. My guess Dionne Warwick will be Inducted this year in some form or fashion. She's already 80 years old. I could see giving her a Special Award. They were fortunate Bill Withers was inducted on his 1st nomination. He died a few years later. I'm liking your Judas Priest selection. They did show a progression side and Rob Halford has been very gracious and upbeat about being nominated and possibly inducted. KING is a fan of hard rock and metal. Love twin guitar attacks. Carly Simon I think was a great nomination. She deserves Induction. I was surprised a few years ago to learn she has 24 albums and other releases. More prolific than I thought. Nobody Does It Better is my FAV Carly Simon song. Agree on Pat Benatar. She's definitely deserving of Induction. Many artists would love to have created: Fire And Ice, Heartbreaker, Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Invincible, Love Is A Battlefield, We Belong, You Better Run, etc.
It's amazing Duran Duran has finally been nominated. My first memories of this FRL site was defending you against some Duran Duran haters and jokers. That would be around 10 years ago now. I remember telling you a few years back about the roller coaster line. Some get on the rides and eventually it it your turn. It's similar to Duran Duran. They have been patiently waiting their turn in line and now it is their time. My FAV Duran Duran songs would include: Come Undone, Hungry Like The Wolf, Notorious, Ordinary World, Rio, The Chauffeur, etc. Also a big fan of Pop Trash album. I've nominated it a few times here on FRL but it has not been inducted yet. It is also a fantastic time for my sister who was a giant 80's Duran Duran fan and in 2022. I've talked with Richie and others here this cycle. My Final 6 if only 6 would be...
1. DURAN DURAN
2. EMINEM
3. PAT BENATAR
4. JUDAS PRIEST
5. CARLY SIMON
6. RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE

I could see Dionne Warwick being Inducted in this cycle or given a special Award. Wondering if Beck will have a Radiohead situation. Most think he will be inducted so they choose other artists. He then falls short of Induction. I have read from some of the early ballots that A Tribe Called Quest has been doing better than expected. Don't know if that trend will continue. Always great reading your posts. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 12:36pm


Still waiting for Steppenwolf to get in. They were a true innovative ROCK band!

Posted by Darlene Mirto on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 13:06pm


Are we that bored that we are arguing about The Spice Girls case? That is so dumb and I think Ben is right. Stop overthinking things. And Mat R stop trying to make a case for everybody. You might as well induct everyone.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 13:45pm


And to follow up on your Priest answer (Mat R), what does Rob being gay have to do with with the other? I was just saying which ones we have been sleeping on the ballot. Don't be so defensive about everything.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 13:50pm


https://twitter.com/Xtitan92/status/1510034544082264072

Breaking News!!! The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2022 class has been leaked!!! 8 performers inducted!!! 4 non-performer awards!!!

A Tribe Called Quest
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

MC5- Early Influence
David Foster- Ahmet Ertegun Award
Dolly Parton- Musical Excellence
Lemmy- Musical Excellence

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 14:01pm


Richie, no disrespect intended for you personally, but you'd better not be pulling a belated April Fool's prank on us.

Posted by Johnny on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 14:52pm


Johnny,

I'm not pulling an belated April Fools prank on you guys, I'm serious about it. I saw it yesterday on Twitter and I wanted to share it with you guys.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 14:56pm


OK. so, here we go for 2022…and, still ANOTHER "Token Rap Group" gets inducted…while a truly LEGENDARY and DESERVING R&B group gets SNUBBED. This year's "token rappers?"
A Tribe called Quest. The SNUBBED R&B group ? THE COMMODORES.
THIS IS GETTING OLD…and SO PREDICTABLE !!

Posted by Bill G on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 14:57pm


I think it might be fake Richie. Voting isn't over yet.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 15:25pm


Greg F,

I don't think that it's fake, I think that it's for real, I saw it yesterday on Twitter, I know that voting isn't over yet, but I think that it's for real.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 15:30pm


Bill G

A Tribe Called Quest is not token and they're more deserving than Commodores by a mile. Low End Theory is one of the most important albums of the 90s.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 18:46pm


Richie,

We don't think you're playing an April Fools joke, we think you fell for somebody else's April Fools joke. Don't believe everything you read on Twitter.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 18:55pm


RG,

I honestly don't believe that it was an April Fools joke that Zack F posted on Twitter, I honestly think that it's for real. I know that voting isn't over yet, but I believe that this will be the class when it's announced next month.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 19:11pm


I have a hard time seeing them jump right from 6 performer nominees in the past two years right to 8. 2019 may have had 7, but the last time 8 performers were inducted was back in 2001. I'm calling the bluff.

Posted by Brasssection on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 19:35pm


Lol imagine a hall committee (not the voters) inducting dolly against her wishes and the shitshow that would cause.

Also lemmy as musical excellence is pretty funny and david foster before bob ezrin

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 19:49pm


Brasssection,

I don't think that it's a hoax, I think that it's for real, I know that voting's not over yet, but I honestly believe that this will be the class when it's announced next month.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 20:18pm


What a fool believes…

Posted by JHC on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 21:11pm


Richie,

I'll believe when we hear about the inductees next month.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 21:12pm


richie

wait you unironically believe they'd induct dolly against her wishes via a side door when they know she's not gonna show up. imagine how disrespectful that would be, imagine how pissed she would be, how pissed miley would be, how pissed a lot of women would be seeing this iconic so disrespected, having her image highjacked by an organization she said please don't do this to, for a cheap cash grab

i can picture the rolling stone, vice, bitch magazine, pitchfork, vogue articles now

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 21:16pm


If that (most likely fake) prank turns out to be true, then it wouldn't be too bad performer-wise. Could do better with the other categories.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 04/2/2022 @ 22:08pm


Fake, but solid performers class. That side category for Lemmy can go to Hell though.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 00:40am


Follower, Mat R & Plebeian,

Your statements are on full point especially with the side categories, to induct Lemmy without Motorhead is pretty much leaving a huge part of the story because he wasn't a standout from the band. Kind of like Ritchie Blackmore with Deep Purple, Jimmy Page with Led Zeppelin & Ozzy with Black Sabbath. Thank goodness that happened already for those 3.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 01:15am


K-Dawg,
What I really truly want to know is what is a YT channel. Is that a Music network in your region? Perhaps there is other music to talk about on this YT channel. WHAT IS YT channel? Let me know.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 03:07am


3 things.

1. The Spice Girls were simply a band that doesn't get talked about. They are also the forerunners to acts like Britney and Christina, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Justin Bieber. It's curious to see the Hall's take as the younger acts and the less rock ones get eligible. It wasn't in any way, shape or form a joke, because face it, the rock dominance of the popular music charts is pretty much done, and this is what we face in less than a decade.

2. Ben, YT stands simply for YouTube. Sorry, shorthand typing.

3. As far as leaks for inductees goes, I only trust one person on this forum. His name is Casper. I won't believe any leaks unless they come verified by him.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 03:57am


KING,

Thank you for remembering. A little bit more than two more months from now will mark the 10th anniversary of my first posting on this particular website. At the end of May, it will mark the 25th anniversary of my long-archived website on the Internet. That's right folks, I have been continuously present posting and creating pages on the Internet for almost a quarter century. I was one of the pioneers in this new medium when I was merely 35 years old. In order to create websites, I actually had to learn how to format pages using HTML. My three favorite bands (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) aka "the holy trinity" of prog had been inducted in 2013, 2017 & 2018 respectively. Strangely enough all three of them appear in order at the top of the chart on one of my link pages from nearly 25 years ago.

Of course, I have been an active supporter of Duran Duran's induction for almost 10 years, as well. My nascent webpages had been created for supporting both Rush and Duran Duran.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 04:34am


I think that out of the top five acts in the online fan vote this year (Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics and Dolly Parton), I think that 4 of the 5 (Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics) will get in this year and Dolly will be the one that misses out on induction this year because she bowed herself out of the race this year on March 14 even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot against her wishes, so yeah, I think that out of the top five acts in the online fan vote this year, I think that Dolly will be the one that misses out on induction this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 09:47am


Richie

I'm very doubtful on eurythmics. They've appeared on 2 non-fan vote ballots so far and are sharing a lot of space with duran duran and devo. Yes they're liked by industry people but so are beck, lionel, carly, and morello.

Given they barely made the og rolling stone top 500 and dropped off in 2020 suggests they're not seen as vital by critics. They also unlike many other new wave acts failed to become serious pitchfork favourites unlike devo or duran duran.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 11:15am


Mat R,

I have to respectfully disagree with you about Eurythmics, I think that they have a very good chance of getting in this year, with more 80's acts getting in in recent years and the push for getting more women in the Hall helps them a lot, so I think that they have a very good chance of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 11:36am


Richie

Yes but they're up against they're not a woman they're a male-female duo unlike pat Benatar (also a male-female duo) aren't known for rocking and less celebrated critically and influential than kate bush (who is on her own). The votes they need spilt many ways and they're reputation has diminished overtime.

Voters who want 80s have better options. Voters who want women have better options. The eurythmics are dependent on name and past goodwill and they share that with a lot if people.

I cam see them getting in but they're very 50/50

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 11:48am


New month so I might as update predictions:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Dolly Parton (Depends where she stands)
A Tribe Called Quest (The tracker seems to indicate they have lots of support)

If Dolly is not part of the performers:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 11:54am


Mat R,

regarding Eurythmics: Another thing that helps them is that they're being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year (which was rescheduled from both 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic), so I think that helps them as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 11:54am


Remember the tracker looks only a hand full of votes. Who knows what the other 1,000 feel in voting or whatever.

Also Spice Girls don't deserve to get in. Yes, the Hall will have more modern acts in, but let's not get too carried away. Time will see if they want to be forwards thinking or not.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 11:58am


Plebeian

It's a small number but it likely is at the % needed for pollsters to published. Media people probably make up around 1/3 or 1/4 of voters so we probably gave around 5% over media voters so far.

Also 20~ years ago duran duran were seen as having no chance. 20~ years (my prediction for possible spice induction) is a long time away.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 12:19pm


Richie

I think it could but again they're sharing that spotlight with another 80s artist. There's no real avenue where they're the lone wolf and i think Benatar (due to her guitar focus) will be favoured by the general voter base.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 12:53pm


Mat R,

regarding Pat Benatar: I think she's getting in this year, A lot of people were shocked and upset when she didn't get in the first time that she was nominated two years ago in 2020 when everybody predicted her to get in that year, so I think she'll get in this time around.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 13:04pm


With only 26 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes.

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. The Rock Hall appears to love the Eurythmics also. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain?' With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she is the question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she will be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time, then Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duo between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be?


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 14:07pm


With only 26 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes.

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. The Rock Hall appears to love the Eurythmics also. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain?' With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time, (due to honoring her request) then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duo between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 15:39pm


Ok here's my final predictions on who might/should be inducted & who won't be among the inductees this year.

Who might/should be inducted:

Eminem - He'll be an FYE inductee come November despite what many purists say about his consideration.

Duran Duran - There's a lot of hype & trending about them in the last few years & they're still active (they released their latest album a few months ago & just performed at ACL), so it's very likely they're going to be an FYN inductee.

RATM - I came back & fourth between Rage & Judas Priest when it comes to chances of earning induction this year & I ended up choosing the former mostly due to the fact that it's their 4th nomination & also they're the only 90's band that got nominated this time. Because the ceremony is heading to their hometown of LA , I expect that not only that i'm predicting but also anticipating that it's finally their year.

Dolly Parton - Despite declining her nomination, she's doing very well in the overall votes & because the lack of country acts being inducted I would expect the voting committee to induct her despite what she said.

A Tribe Called Quest - Also doing well in the votes, I could see the Hall doing the same thing this year with having two rap acts being inducted just like last year. I'll be crazy if Tribe & Eminem doing a performance together when they get in this year.

Pat Benatar - Fans were shocked when she didn't get inducted 2 years ago & didn't even make a comeback last year so it may be her victory lap this year since she's also doing well with the votes.

Who might be snubbed:

Beck - Very innovative & evolving, however he needs a little more time & there's more bigger 90's acts that are still waiting for consideration.

Kate Bush - Very deserving of induction but the fact that she didn't have a lot of popularity in US & because there are more people voting for Benatar, i think it's safe to say that she might ended up being inducted under Musical Excellence just not this year.

Devo - Well it's also safe to say that these guys would eventually have to go through AME route (like Bush above) to get inducted because Duran Duran might have the highest chances for this year.

Eurythmics - They're up against Duran Duran & I could see them being inducted but what's hurting them is mostly because there hasn't been anything excited about them pretty much a few years now or long time & also they're not doing so hot in the voting (even thought they're in Top 5 in the Fan Vote) so it's always next year for them I hope.

Judas Priest - I actually thought that it's their year but i'm not so sure. I mean the 'third time's a charm' pretty much worked for most artists in the past but it might not worked for Priest, sure they're more than deserving but maybe they just need one more nomination to get inducted.

Fela Kuti - He's too obscure to be inducted as a performer so AME would be his ticket.

MC5 - They pretty much exhausted their nominations just like Kraftwerk was before last year & also like them it's their 6th nomination & would eventually be inducted under Early Influence.

New York Dolls - It's only their 3rd try so they need one more nomination like Priest to get inducted as performers since next year might be returning to NYC. If they don't get in as performers then EI for them. Same could be said for others like Thin Lizzy who didn't get nominated this year.

Lionel Richie - He inducted Clarence Avant a few months ago but that's not an guarantee & to induct him without Commodores is as I said "leaving out a huge part of the story". So he doesn't have a chance this year.

Carly Simon - No hype or trending about her & Carole King got inducted last year but not an guarantee she's nearly a borderline candidate like King (who is certainly that).

Dionne Warwick - Induct her as Early Influence since she's from the 60's & there hasn't been any acts from that decade that got inducted in the last few years.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 18:33pm


With only 26 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes.

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. The Rock Hall appears to love the Eurythmics also. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain?' With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 18:37pm


Jordan Einstein,

I just don't think that Dolly Parton is getting in this year now, I think that she shot herself in the foot with her declining the nomination and I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think that the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, The Hall doesn't want a potential inductee to not show up and perform at the ceremony, Inducting her as a performer against her will would be a slap in the face, so I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 21:31pm


I'm starting to wondering if Devo might have a better shot at a side category than MC5 this year. Both are touring right now and Wayne Kramer announced a new album but the coverage Devo has been getting for their tour is honestly better. It's focused less on being veteran rockers and more on being pioneers of music videos and the og new wave band. I do think media attention and pressure get to the hall and could see Devo's coverage having more influence than MC5's.

There's also the Ohio links with Devo, the were formed in Akron and all went to Kent State, which I think the museum side of the hall might push the committees on. Again media pressure from local outlets could be a factor here.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 22:20pm


Richie,

I see your point but there are some artists in the past that didn't want to be inducted but they got the honor anyway:

Sex Pistols
Dire Straits
Radiohead
Steve Miller

The point is that RRHOF inducts artists mostly because they think they're worthy despite the thoughts by artists.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 23:11pm


Jordan Einstein,

but I think you're wrong, I just don't think that Dolly will get in this year now, I think that her announcement about her bowing out of the race will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I see Beck (Even though he hasn't appeared on any ballots yet so far), Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick all being more likely to get in this year than Dolly, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 23:18pm


Jordan Einstein + richie

Dolly still has a pretty good chance of scoring a top 6 spot i think (a lot of early votes plus incoming votes from people who don't care). I've said it before if she scores top 5 she goes in and below that nope (she comes 6th we get a 5 act class i think cause you can't have that leak).

What i do think won't happen is, she fails on the vote and they induct her in a side category. That would be seen as incredibly disrespectful and kill a lot of not only industry good will the hall has but the good will of female musicians and critics.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 23:23pm


Mat R,

I honestly think that they will induct 7 this year, I just have a gut feeling about it. Especially if Dolly gets in anyway, that would make them add one more performer to the class to add more time to the ceremony since Dolly won't show up.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 23:31pm


Richie

I know you think that, you've said it a dozen times, but that doesn't make it a lock. If Dolly comes 5th, yes they would likely seek to induct those below her for the special but they'd also put her in because they can justify it easily to the media and to the industry. If she comes 6th there's no real motive as you already have 5 inductees (the minimum) and your side categories picks, why do this controversial move when you don't have to and why take the risk of it coming out that she scored higher than one or two of the inductees? Remember how Fox News outed that Dave Clarke Five got more votes than Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, I think the Hall would want to avoid something like that more so than not having an inductee show up. Imagine Carly Simon gets in and then the NY Post publishes that Dolly, who didn't get in, got 27 more votes than her. How insulted do you think Carly would feel?

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 23:50pm


RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W, K-Dawg, Ben, Enig, KING, Shrek, Casper, Donnie, Nick B., Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Lax39, Joe S., Mat R, JHC, Alex K, Jordan Einstein and others,

Who do you think will make the cut for induction this year (If 7 inductees instead of 6) and Which do you have as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year (If 7 inductees instead of 6) in two scenarios (with Dolly Parton and without Dolly Parton)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 00:01am


K-Dawg,

What are you predictions?

I'm asking because I would rather be the one asking than Richie. Plus I'm nicer ;)

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 02:26am


Mat R,

If it's only 5 inductees and Dolly finishes in sixth place in the voting this year, I think the inductees will be:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Dionne Warwick

I just don't think that Lionel Richie is getting in this year like you've been saying, Even though he's one of the biggest names on the ballot this year and is beloved and has huge name recognition and star power, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and All of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo, As I've said it before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 11:37am


Funny you should ask, Plebeian. I've actually been prepping myself to revise my list. I will have it soon, hopefully by tonight.

And speaking of Richie, he just posted his blurb again to mat r., after saying he'd stop lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 11:57am


K-Dawg,

Thank You! I'm so excited to see what your revised list for your predictions for the 2022 inductees is going to be, I can't wait to see it.

And by the way, I'll stop posting my blurb to people on here until when we make our final predictions for the 2022 inductees, which will be pretty soon because the ballots are due back on April 29 and the fan vote ends that same day, so we should be getting the announcement of the 2022 inductees in the first week of May.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 13:39pm


Richie:

My best SWAG (Scientific, Wild-A$$ed Guess) about who will get in:

If five:
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Dolly Parton (I think enough votes had been submitted to put her over the top.)
Carly Simon

If six:
Rage Against the Machine

If seven:
Judas Priest

Posted by Joe S. on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 20:09pm


Joe S.,

Gonna be honest. That actually maybe the inductees this year. You probably hit it in the money.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 20:47pm


Joe S.,

I just don't think that Dolly is getting in this year now, I think that she shot herself in the foot with her announcement about bowing out of the race this year on March 14 even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her withdrawal from the ballot, I think that will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, The last thing Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, The Hall doesn't want a potential inductee to not show up and perform at the ceremony, so inducting her as a Performer against her will would be a slap in the face, I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 20:48pm


Joe S

Mostly agree but not sold on Carly Simon and Rage. I think Tribe will upset one (they seem to have the media vote and will probably get the rap vote cause Eminem is pop) and think Carly is competing with Lionel and Lionel def has those industry votes over her.

Richie

1) Stop copy/pasting replies please. It's rude and isolating
2) Dolly didn't shoot herself in the foot, she actively doesn't want to be inducted. You're acting like she made a mistake
3) A lot of votes were already in (many probably voted for her)
4) A lot of voters don't care who shows up. They inducted Radiohead who actively said "We don't care and only our bassist will show up"
5) The Hall itself won't induct her in a side category

Posted by mat r on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 21:25pm


Mat R,

Eminem is not Pop, He will get the Rap vote through and through, End of story.

Also, I think that Beck, Eurythmics, Rage Against The Machine (Tom Morello) and Carly Simon all have more industry support than Lionel Richie, As I've said it many times before, I just don't think that Lionel is worthy of a solo induction, I think that his spot on the ballot this year really should have gone to either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo, As I've said it numerous times before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own. Period. End of story.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 21:40pm


Richie

Eminem is the best selling singles act in the history of the United States (better than the Beatles, better than Michael, better than Elvis, better than Mariah, better than Madonna), he is the best selling artist globally of the 2000s and 2010s, and hip hop is the most listened to genre of music and pop and rock have heavily incorporated hip hop into their sounds partly because of him. Accept it Richie he isn't dealing with niche genre baggage. If he isn't pop no one can be by what ever your definition is.

Maybe some old timey rockists are like "ugh a rapper" to Eminem but every industry and media person is like "Eminem global megastar" and the hall isn't think "Eminem rapper" they're thinking "Eminem the star of the 21st century"

If your assessment is "Eminem" is dealing with niche baggage, you know nothing about music.

Also cut the Lionel talk, I already schooled you on that

Posted by mat r on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 21:56pm


Hey Guys,

I just wanted to let you all know that My Mom (Sheri) was diagnosed with cancer (either Advanced Lung Cancer or Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma (Indolent Lymphoma) a couple of weeks ago on March 23 and She will hopefully get the results this Friday, April 8 and she has had a fungal infection (Aspergillosis) as well as a possible Sjogren's Syndrome diagnosis (She'll find out on Friday if she has it) and She recently had COVID-19 (Omicron) in February for three days as well, so you guys please keep me and my mom in your prayers, She really needs it right now. If it's Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma (Indolent Lymphoma), it will be an easier fight to beat it than Advanced Lung Cancer, She had Cancer once before back 25 years ago in 1997 when I was just a year old when she was diagnosed with Anal Cancer, but She's a fighter and we'll get through this, God is watching over us and God knows how much me and my mom still need each other and God also knows that it's not her time to go just yet, so you guys, Please keep me and my mom in your prayers. She really needs it right now. Thank You.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 21:57pm


K-Dawg,

You said that you would be posting your revised predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees instead of 6) soon (hopefully by tonight), but What are your revised predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/4/2022 @ 23:39pm


So far, K-Dawg's predictions come 5 out of 6 times right in the past. Very excited indeed.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 00:24am


Plebeian,

K-Dawg's predictions for the 2019 inductees were:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

He got five of the six right (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks and The Zombies), missing both Radiohead and Roxy Music.

K-Dawg's predictions for the 2020 inductees were:

Pat Benatar
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Whitney Houston
Nine Inch Nails
T. Rex

He got five of the six right (Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails and T. Rex), missing only The Notorious B.I.G.

and K-Dawg's predictions for the 2021 inductees were:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

He got all six right last year.

So yeah, I agree with you, I am very excited to see what K-Dawg's predictions for the 2022 inductees is going to be. I can't wait to find out and I am so looking forward to it.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 01:16am


K-Dawg,

Yeah it's a good point made. I look forward to your predictions. for 2022. I recall you're right ON most. You should take the leap and lay down those predictions. I can't wait to see them

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 04:47am


richie,

I am very sorry to hear about your Mom. It reminds me of the situation with my late father. He had smoked a pack of cigarettes every day for approximately 48 years. Then he suddenly quit smoking at the age of 63. Of course, his physician suggested giving up cigarettes a decade prior to that time. Luckily, he did not develop lung cancer but he did develop Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia. Of course, he was prescribed Chemotherapy, (in order to treat the leukemia) which had completely destroyed his immune system. With no resistance left, he developed Emphysema (now called Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease- C.O.P.D.) and passed away 4 months and one week after his 70th birthday.

Of course, that was back in 2003 and Medical Science has advanced a great deal since then. Also, your Mom's age is another factor in her favor, I imagine that she is much younger than 70. However, neither Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma, nor Advanced Lung Cancer are good diagnoses. Hopefully, she has neither of those.

I was around two years old when the Surgeon General's Warning came out about cigarette smoking, that was over 58 years ago. Consequently, I do not smoke.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 06:06am


richie, very sorry to hear that about your mom. I know she's a fighter for you. Best wishes on her getting the best diagnosis and beating whatever she has.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 06:42am


Enig and Paul in KY,

Thank You So Much! I know that she will beat Cancer again, She already beat it once before and She's such a fighter, She also has Emphysema and COPD as well, She has had both Emphysema and COPD since 1999 and She has been a heavy smoker for a long time now as well, She has had a lump on her neck since last fall, She and her husband (Ron) were out gardening outside our house and She coughed out a cloudful of dust and dry leaves caused by mushroom and Six days later, She woke up with a mild fever, sore throat, thrush in her mouth (her taste buds were inflamed as well) and swollen lymph nodes on her neck which later turned out to be a fungal infection called Aspergillosis which My Nana also had as well 13 years ago in 2009 when she had Pneumonia and got so sick and she had a mass on her lung, My Mom also has a mass on her right lung as well and it's 5 cm, but we still don't know if it's Advanced Lung Cancer or the 5 cm mass was caused by the fungal infection that she has called Aspergillosis which Nana had as well, Either way, She has had the lump on her neck for almost 6 months now and Even though it's Cancer, it's a slow growing one, that means it hasn't spread so I am very happy about that. She's starting to have an itchy face and her lymph node on her neck hurts so all points now sign more to a slow growing type of cancer called Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma (Indolent Lymphoma) and it's so much easier to fight it than Advanced Lung Cancer, She'll hopefully get the results on Friday when she has a doctor's appointment via telephone at 9:30 in the morning, and I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed and praying that it's a slow growing type of Cancer called Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma (Indolent Lymphoma) and not Advanced Lung Cancer, but we'll hopefully find out on Friday what Cancer that My Mom is dealing with. Again, Thank You So Much!

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 09:20am


Enig,

My Mom was born on September 5, 1964, so she's 57 years old and she'll be 58 years old in September, so she's still relatively young, Either way, She's a fighter and I know that she'll beat Cancer again, She's such a fighter.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 09:25am


Richie,

I'm sorry about your mom, yeah I hope she gets better. If you need anything I'm right here!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 09:46am


Jordan Einstein,

Thanks, It really means a lot to me.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 09:52am


I'm soo sorry about your Mom. I pray she gets better. Best wishes on beating it

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 15:00pm


I guess even though it is a very small sample pool, the predicted nominees would end up as follows
1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Dolly Parton
4. Pat Benatar
5. Tribe Called Quest
6. Lionel Ritchie (if 6)

As far as the contemporaries/beneficaries for the next few years nominations, some of the genres might have overlap

Duran Duran (80s new wave and post punk) - INXS, New Order, The Smiths, Billy Idol, Pet Shop Boys, B-52s, Tears for Fears (unlikely but still)

Eurythmics - Same as Duran Duran contemporaries

Devo - The Smiths. Pixies. Other unlikely artists but still a chance Violent Femmes, The Replacements, XTC, Joe Jackson

Tribe Called Quest (Hip Hop)- De La Soul, OutKast, Arrested Development

Eminem - Same as Tribe Called Quest

Pat Benatar (80s solo Rock artists or Female Lead Rock Artist non decade specific) - Billy Idol, Cyndi Lauper, The Bangles, Alanis Morrisette

Lionel Ritchie (80s largely popular solo artist) - George Michael, Phil Collins, Sting, Bryan Adams, Billy Idol

Dolly Parton (country music) - Willy Nelson, Kenny Rogers, Patsy Cline

Judas Priest (metal) - Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Megadeth

Dionne Warwick - The Carpenters, Patti LaBelle, Diana Ross, Ella Fitzgerald

Beck (90s alt act): Janes Addiction, Oasis, Weezer, Sublime

Rage Against The Machine (90s alt rock act similiar to Beck): Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Offspring

Kate Bush: Bjork, PJ Harvey, Sinead OConnor, Tracy Chapman

New York Dolls: Television, The Sparks, Black Flag

MC5: The Misfits, Paul Revere & The Raiders, Steppenwolf

Fela Kuti: Harry Belafonte, Neville Brothers, Peter Tosh, Screamin Jay Hawkins

Posted by jay f k on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 15:04pm


Ben,

Thank You So Much! It truly really means the world to me.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 15:05pm


I meant inductees on the first paragraph

Posted by jay f k on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 15:05pm


jay f k,

I think that they will induct 7 this year, Especially if Dolly gets in anyway and doesn't show up, That would save enough time in the ceremony to add 1 more Performer inductee, so I just have a gut feeling that they will induct 7 Performers this year just like they did 3 years ago in 2019.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 15:13pm


Possibly 7 since they have a huge back log of artists to induct from the 80s. If they don't, we will have a very huge line of 90s musicians waiting to be inducted in 2030 because the committee is still trying to sort through which 80s artists still need to be inducted

Posted by jay f k on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 15:33pm


Jay fk

"Dionne Warwick - The Carpenters, Patti LaBelle, Diana Ross, Ella Fitzgerald"

Curious about that list. There's one name that feels missing and Tom Jones. I feel he treads similar waters as Warwick, a 60s artist still alive and well who made softer music than many contemporaries, but his Vegas rep has made him less appropriate for many me thinks. A warwick inductee could aid him.

Thoughts?

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 16:04pm


What are your final predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 16:23pm


mat r

I just threw in the soft rock contemporaries in there but I think I threw in Ella Fitzgerald as one of the other African American female artist that has not been inducted yet.

Tom Jones is another huge name not on the list so maybe he will down the line.

I feel next year the 80s selection nomination will show up more than this year so we will see either New Order, The Smiths or INXS get a nod for the post punk/new wave placeholder while George Michael will show up as one of the other huge 80s solo act.

Posted by jay f k on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 16:36pm


I'm jumping between Judas Priest and RATM

Posted by jay f k on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 16:45pm


Jay fk

I agree on new order/joy division and could see a George michael or a Billy idol/Billy squire/bryan adams (i think Benatar opens the hall to them oddly) get a nomination.

I have a hard time seeing the nomcom going for the smiths right now because morrissey, i think what he did on Fallon with the Britain First pin has made him too toxic for a lot of the us mainstream. I think there's a good chance he's in like that ted Nugent camp where the hall just doesn't want to deal with him.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 16:58pm


Bobby Rydell died. If I'm not mistaken, he isn't in the rrhof...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 17:04pm


Matt R,

I know that is unfortunate with Moz's comments. I still have hope that the Smiths can get in because their contribution to indie and alternative music is too large to ignore and may not be the case like Ted Nugent who was already borderline Rock Hall worthy even without his comments taken into consideration.

Posted by jay f k on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 17:11pm


K-Dawg,

Please post your revised predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6), I really want to see it.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 17:27pm


Jay fk

I don't know if i agree about nugent being borderline (given some of the 70s acts they've inducted) but you're right: the legacy of the smiths is massive. They should have gone in in 2015 or 16 but the desire to induct chicago and the paul butterfield blues band was too strong (one of the dumbest calls from voters ever) and it's a shame cause now you can't trust morrissey to not make a deeply controversial scene on national television if they get voted in. They could still go in soon but i think the hall will wait until either moz goes or they can't ignore the smiths anymore

Could always give johnny marr musical excellence but that would still likely prove controversial to fans.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 17:51pm


Matt R,

I kind of put him in the same category as Meat Loaf and George Thorogood. They might one day get in but will most likely be third tier. As for the Smiths getting in, I think they will treat it where Johnny Marr's contribution to the Smiths and to other artists outweighting Moz's antics. At least they can treat The Smiths as a separate entity where they will use Moz behavior to reflect poorly on his solo career.

Posted by jay f k on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 18:16pm


K-Dawg's revised predictions for the RRHOF inductees in 2022

Eminem
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Pat Benatar

if 7, Judas Priest

Dolly Parton's plea to the Hall will fall on deaf ears for some, but I'm gonna go ahead and predict she will fall short as it will give some fence sitters an opportunity to go elsewhere. Pat Benatar is going to reap the rewards of this, as they want to go with another woman. Judas Priest has been getting more of my attention lately, and it does have as much a classic rock feel at this stage as anyone. They do make a compelling choice should the Hall finally correct their metal oversights. I'm gonna call it Rage is going to wait another year or two. I do realize I'm only picking one 90s act, so they do stand a chance, but I have a feeling that the surplus of talented acts on this year's ballot may well break the trend of previous recent inductions. Kate Bush is beyond deserving, but again, Americentric audiences. We shall see wha happens.

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 19:00pm


K-Dawg,

Your revised predictions for the 2022 inductees is spot on with my predictions, Thank You So Much for posting it.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 19:12pm


Jay fk

I agree nugent is tier 3 but they are imo inducting tier 3 acts.

I agree again the hall will weight the music over moz's toxicity but still think they'll wait. There's enough alternatives atm to avoid them for awhile: new order/joy division, siouxsie and the banshees, stone roses, pixies, sonic youth, the replacements, black flag, jesus and mary chain. The whole thing will come down to emotion about them i think.

It for sure could be cleared up by 2025 or moz could be for britian's first mp. Who knows?

K-dawg

Not sold on simon especially if the hall is facing a very white class. I think dionne is more likely personally

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 19:33pm


K - Dawg,

Well you're pretty much on point with your predictions but I just don't see acts you put on there like Eurythmics, Lionel Richie & Carly Simon being inducted this year, don't get we wrong they're worthy but they're not doing so well in the votes overall plus the Ballot is so crowded this year & I just don't see the Hall going this year without an 90's rock act being honored. They did it for the last 3 years with Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails & Foo Fighters, so i think this is Rage's final shot for earn it. With that said, I could see Eminem, Duran Duran & Pat Benatar being inducted adding Dolly Parton (yeah i know her request to be removed from nominations is hurting her chances by fans but overall she's doing well), A Tribe Called Quest & RATM to the list, if they do 7 then Judas Priest. As for Kate Bush, it's very likely she's going to be inducted under Musical Excellence because of what you said. Same could be said for Devo & Fela Kuti too. The rest like MC5, New York Dolls & Dionne Warwick are very likely going to be following Kraftwerk & Gil Scott Heron in Early Influence while Beck may have to wait for other 90's alternative acts (Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins) to get the nod before he does.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 19:46pm


Mat R.

It does make sense that if The Smiths gets skipped over, New Order/Joy Division would be the next post punk act to get in. Not sure about the chances of Siouxie & the Banshees unless the committee sees them beyond the goth image which the Cure was able to break out. I love a lot of their stuff though. I believe we will see the Smiths nominated and inducted first before every band that you have listed as a substitute on your post with the exception of New Order/Joy Division. Mainly because those bands are more niche than the Smiths and will take years to be finally noticed.

Posted by jay f k on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 20:22pm


Rage I think you are sleeping on
K-Dawg. Eurthymics is kinda of iffy. Judas I can see. Richie is the anomaly. The other 4 yeah.

So based on likelihood:

Eminem (2000s act more than 90s)
Duran Duran
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Eurythmics
Lionel Richie

Five out of six/seven, let's see if your streak continues.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 20:51pm


Jay FK

I agree New Order/Joy Division is the most known alternative but I'd say Pixies are on par in terms of popularity as the Smiths and NO/JD. Like everyone knows "Where is My Mind" and "Here Comes Your Man" and "Monkey Gone to Heaven" are quite popular and Surfer Rosa and Doolittle are celebrated to a similar degree as any Smiths album. Maybe they're like a 7.6 to the Smiths and NO/JD's 7.8 out of 10 on a popularity index but they're scoring the same grade. I think all three have about the same chance on the ballot.

Siouxie & the Banshees I agree seems unlikely to go in but they'd be a fine nominee who could surprise, same with Stone Roses, Sonic Youth (who I think will get EI) and The Replacements.

Sorry for going on about this. Had a chat about indie rock of the 80s and 90s earlier and still thinking about it.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 20:59pm


Plebeian,

K-Dawg's revised predictions for the 2022 inductees is actually:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Pat Benatar

if 7, Judas Priest

So K-Dawg took Dolly out of his predictions.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 21:40pm


Hi all,

Been on vacation for a few days and haven't checked out the site since Friday. Some good discussions going on as we get closer to learning who the inductees are. It's interesting to see how the ballot tracker is influencing what people think is going to happen. I love the psychology of that.

Richie,

I am very sorry to hear about your mom. She will be in my thoughts and prayers. We'll all be pulling for her.

Posted by Michael W. on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 23:08pm


Michael W.,

Thank You So Very Much for commenting! It truly means the world to me.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 23:27pm


Oh okay well in that case.

Eminem
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Carly Simon
Judas Priest
Eurthymics
Lionel Richie

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 04/5/2022 @ 23:31pm


richie,

Have you been keeping track of everyone's picks, as per usual? If you get a chance, do you want to post an updated FRL regulars predictions list? I'm curious to see who is getting the most predictions at this point; I imagine Eminem and Duran Duran are at the top, but it does deviate quite a bit from there.

Thanks

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 00:06am


Alright final picks

- Eminem
- Duran Duran
- Pat Benatar
- Judas Priest
- Dolly Parton
- Lionel Richie

Small class cause I don't think anyone will score enough to justify a 7th inductee. Big nominee group but too many options causing a thinning. Plus 2019, the last time there were 7 inductees, had 15 nominees and 2018, the last year with 5, had 19 nominees so I don't think there's a link.

To discuss the iffy nominees

Dolly: We know voters were warm to her early (about 1/2 of known early votes were for her), she's still doing well on the fan vote (Priest doesn't seem likely to knock her off the top 5), and we know voters are still voting for her as seen here (https://twitter.com/djpizzoHHS/status/1504941528594059264) I think she gets check off on at least 25% of those ballots in the end.

Lionel: I think Lionel has been keeping his face out there very naturally and I think he's doing a lot behind the scenes and has people (like Universal Publishing and ABC aka Disney) doing a lot for him behind the scenes. I think the fact the person we know voted for him is a concert promoter, is telling of who is in Richie's corner and it's industry people.

Judas Priest: Yes there is an anti-metal bias but honestly there's no other viable rock bands on the ballot for the old rockists to go to war for other than Judas Priest and Rage, and Rage (despite nomination #4) is too soon. They've been pushed too hard too early and Judas Priest is nearing the end and far more groundbreaking. I think there also might be a desire for more LGBTQ representation.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 01:07am


I wonder how many rock purists' heads would explode if they realized Judas Priest had anything to do with LGBTQ or social consciousness. They probably just think it's cool that the band whose album they try to play backwards is getting love if they get inducted lol.

Sad, but probably accurate

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 01:13am


Mat R,

I have to respectfully disagree with you, I honestly think that there will be 7 inductees this year, Especially if Dolly gets in anyway and doesn't show up, That would save them enough time in the ceremony to add 1 more Performer inductee, so I just have a gut feeling that there will be 7 inductees this year.

Also, I just can't see them inducting only two women this year, I think that they'll induct at least three (maybe four) women this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 01:14am


Richie

Why am i inducting a person who appeared on only 13% of the ballots when everyone else I'm inducting was on between 20% and 50%? Am i really lowering my standards that much?

Also 'shame so few women but that's on the voters and at least we're inducting a prominent member of the LGBTQ community. Will give dionne early influence to balance things out a bit and you know what next year we're gonna get 5 women with destiny's child so it'll balance out.' You act like the hall seeks the inductees but they clearly don't and just accept how the vote goes otherwise rage wouldn't be becoming chic 2.0

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 01:31am


There was a period of time when Tom Jones was very big. The ladies absolutely loved him! He certainly would be a candidate, IMO

As far as I know, he's still rocking.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 06:42am


Ted Nugent will never be inducted (as long as he's alive). He may be 'banned for life' for being a complete dick.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 06:43am


Nugent's a 1/10 candidate, he's a good player but wasn't influential nor legendary & groundbreaking.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 07:25am


I'm gonna update the current vote totals in the public ballot tracker and they are:

At 61.54% of the vote and on 8 ballots are Duran Duran and Eminem.
At 53.85% of the vote and on 7 ballots are A Tribe Called Quest.
At 46.15% of the vote and on 6 ballots is Pat Benatar.
At 38.46% of the vote and on 5 ballots is Dolly Parton.
At 30.77% of the vote and on 4 ballots are Judas Priest and Rage Against The Machine.
At 23.08% of the vote and on 3 ballots are Devo, Eurythmics, Fela Kuti and New York Dolls.
At 15.38% of the vote and on 2 ballots are MC5 and Dionne Warwick.
At 7.69% of the vote and on 1 ballot are Kate Bush, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon.
At 0.00% of the vote and on zero ballots so far is Beck.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 08:41am


Jordan Einstein and Paul in KY

Yea he's just a dude who sold a lot of records which I think the hall likes given who they've inducted. I think he's also supposed to be a great live act (unsure) and he's friends with like every hard rock guy too which helps.

But yea he's way too racist (ever read the interview he did with Grand Royal?), sexist (seen the covers for Love Grenade or read the lyrics for Jailbait?), and violent for the Hall to go in while he's alive. I think Morrissey might be in the same boat but he's actually an important figure in music history.

Richie

I think that Tribe vote is the dark horse. I think they could really upset. They've got the rap vote and they seem to have the critic vote. Plus their music is still fresh unlike say Lionel or Carly or even Rage Against The Machine, who I think a lot of people when they hear "Killing in the Name of" think of that video of a bunch of MAGA heads rocking out to it.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 09:25am


Beck still going 0 votes strong and ATCQ traction is too strong to ignore. I think people were looking too hard on the fan vote but the voting there tends to skew badly for urban artist. I'm still sticking with Lionel Ritchie as the 6th vote.
Final vote if 7
1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Dolly Parton
4. Pat Benatar
5. Tribe Called Quest
6. Lionel Ritchie
7. Judas Priest

Posted by jay f k on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 10:38am


FINAL PREDICTION

Inductees (7):

Pat Benatar (Second time's the charm, plus the Classic Rock act of the year)
Duran Duran (Fan Vote Winner, plus one of two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts this year)
Eminem (duh)
Eurythmics (The industry favorite, plus the second of two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts this year)
Judas Priest (The rockists favorite, plus no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated will really help them)
Carly Simon (The Baby Boomer favorite, plus the 70's Singer-Songwriter act of the year)
A Tribe Called Quest (The Critics favorite, plus the token Black act of the year, I am surprised by how much support that they have received so far)

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
Fela Kuti
Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence:

Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

I think that it will be a very white class this year in the Performers category, but I think that they will make up for that in the side categories.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 10:42am


Richie

You really think they'd give Dr. Dre Musical Excellence over Rakim or KRS One? Like Dr. Dre is a mega star and probably could get in (for a second time) on the ballot

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 10:53am


Mat R,

The reason why that I think that Dr. Dre will get in as Musical Excellence is because of his production credits, He had more of an impact as a producer, but you can't deny his impact as a Performer either. so I think that he will get in as a Musical Excellence recipient.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 11:06am


Richie

The Chronic and 2001 were mega hits (like they combined sold more units than carly Simon studio output). I don't think he needs musical excellence to get in A SECOND TIME especially when the hall is being pressured about Rakim and Rakim is Eminem's favourite rapper.

I also think you're overestimating the power of new wave and women here but i don't want to get into that atm

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 11:17am


I hope Rage really gets in….this is gonna be close!

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 11:24am


Mat R,

I'm not overestimating New Wave and Women, These are two things that have done really well in terms of inductions in the past few years, so this year should be no different.

Also, I think that Dr. Dre needs Musical Excellence because he has collaborated with Eminem numerous times, so them going in together in the same year would be perfect.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 11:31am


Richie

Yes but dr dre is a mega name who is already in and hasn't beem tested solo on the ballot. Why just put him straight into musical excellence before testing him on a ballot? Rundgren is better known as a producer and he got in on the performer ballot and he's less famous than dre. Why should rundgren get a shot on the ballot but not dre? Why not honour someone who is gonna struggle on the ballot like rakim rather than mega star dr dre? I get your logic but it's weak

The new wave trend has been very guitar focused and only seen 1 inductee a year so far. Suddenly there are two. That's the overestimation there.

Women have never been a majority class (never going over 10% of a class i think) and suddenly mostly dead women dominate every field. This seems incredibly unlikely especially as the hall mainly focuses on high profile women rather than more obscure ones.

That's all I'm going say on it so do not push it.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 11:51am


Are any of you guys on Facebook or Twitter?. I really want to know because I want to see if any of you guys are on social media (either Facebook or Twitter).

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 11:57am


So you can continue to harass and annoy us? No dice.

Posted by J Humphrey on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 12:26pm


Since richie mentioned the side predictions

My final ones

Early influence
- the Carter Family
- Cliff Richard
- MC5

A4ME
- Rakim

Ertegun Award
- Annie Nightingale
- Seam Combs

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 12:26pm


By the stats, here's who I truly think the Hall will induct this year.

Performer Category:
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Rage Against the Machine
A Tribe Called Quest

If 7:
Judas Priest

Side Categories if they do it like last year unless they do 7 performers.

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton
Jan & Dean

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
Warren Zevon

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Sylvia Robinson

Also Richie, I have Facebook not Twitter here's the link.

https://www.facebook.com/

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 12:38pm


Jordan Einstein,

I just don't think that Dolly will get in this year now, I think that if she gets in this year, it will be either as an Early Influence or as a Musical Excellence recipient, rather than as a Performer.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 12:45pm


Way to early question but with tribe looking like a serious contender and Eminem seemingly locked in, do you think, if both go in, we see the hall get more bullish on rap on the ballot?

Like we are getting to rap as pop (outkast and tlc are eligible, missy is eligible next year and lauryn hill, 50 cent and lil Wayne not long after), there's a big critical backlog (wu tang, nas, de la soul) and a ton of just icons (dre, snoop). The voters might be ready and comfortable voting for and inducting multiple rap acts especially if one is a critical darling and one is a pop star. Think we've reached a new norm with this possible induction?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 14:51pm


Blah salt n pepa not tlc

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 14:58pm


There's still more ballots to come, so we won't have a good indicator of who the inductees might be until all the public ballots have been revealed. So you guys, Please wait to do your final predictions for the 2022 inductees until all the public ballots have been revealed.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 19:45pm


Paul in KY, I agree. Ted Nugent won't get in while he's alive, mostly because most new inductees give speeches, and the R&R HoF won't want to sit through one of his.

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 04/6/2022 @ 23:41pm


Jordan, I like yours. Especially the idea of Thornton as an Early Influence and finally getting Chaka in. Zevon would complete the heartland rockers as far as I care.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 03:19am


Jordan,

I remember our discussion of special categories. We have quite a bit of agreement with predictions of main performers. But I also have Lionel Richie and Carly Simon. Those I expect are the Mellow artists this year. Every class has them. The Hall is consistent with this going back to Paul Simon while Aerosmith and Queen were inducted in 2001.
It's the special categories I want to discuss. I recall 2 months ago your special category picks were different. I am holding on to Early Influence with John Coltrane, Dionne Warwick, 5th Dimension. Dionne is around 80s The Hall wants her in without interfering with Main Performers.
Among my Musical Excellence picks are Chaka Khan. We agree there. But also Johnny Winter for the Blues rock genre, This music type has been skipped over lately. Blues rock needs to be acknowledged again. Johnny Winter is legendary.
Jordan I would like to know your thoughts

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 04:26am


Remember guys, This is just predictions that we're making for the 2022 inductees, We won't know who the real 2022 inductees are until early next month and I bet that it'll be leaked again this year (just like the past three years), so you guys, Please relax, We still got a month to go before the inductees are officially announced (or leaked just like in the past three years).

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 09:33am


Then why have you been asking daily for peoples predictions?

Posted by DS on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 09:49am


Everyone has made predictions they're predictions. Is really necessary to ask for them everyday? If you want to see them you can just scroll up. Anyone who has changed their predictions they'll post them.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 11:04am


Says the man that repeatedly asks the same damn questions multiple times a day and even DMs people on social media? Then stopping asking everyone these questions and leave us alone until next month.

Posted by JWC on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 11:23am


Greg F,

What are your final predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 11:29am


Here he goes again.....

Posted by JWC on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 11:30am


My final predictions. Please don't ask me again.

A Tribe Called Quest
Carly Simon
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar
Rage Against the Machine

Spoilers: Eurythmics, Dionne Warwick, Lionel Richie and Dolly Parton

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 11:35am



Mat R,

No way of knowing, but I'm not going to put any stock in it unless they show some proof that they have an inside source. It's definitely more plausible than the thing Richie found the other day, but also just kinda reads like someone threw together a bunch of the community speculation into a plausible sounding scenario to mess with this forum in particular.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 12:58pm


That twitter does sound fake as you pointed our Matt R. The twitter handle should have been called Rockhall_intern_leaker if he wanted legitamacy about the post.

Posted by jason f kwok on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 13:10pm


I am not a hater of social media as many are due to its cons outweighing its pros in many aspects, but I avoid Twitter, because, well, twits can express themselves with tweets..

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 13:39pm


Based on 281 votes? I'm not sure it's legit or not.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 14:23pm


I think it's fake but details are odd for a fake. 281 votes, the note about simon (i don't think anyone pictured a flop), it's just off. But again new rando account

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 14:39pm


Fake. Just a troll to mess with us. Never put in stock on supposed leaks ever on Twitter.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 15:25pm


I think that it's fake, because I have a hard time imagining Eurythmics and Carly Simon both doing poorly in the actual voting, so I think that it's fake and we won't know who's getting in until hopefully when it gets leaked again just like the past three years (2019, 2020 and 2021).

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 15:33pm


I don't buy Priest at 7th. They did poorly both times they were nominated.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 17:50pm


richie

yea i think the account even states the simon thing is a shocker. the eurythmics thing is sussy. i could see the behind rage and bush but devo is odd.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 18:23pm


Mat R,

Yeah, I think that it's totally a fake burner account, because the ballots aren't due back until Friday, April 29, the same day that the fan vote ends, so all the votes won't be tallied and counted until then.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 19:05pm


We have two predictions so far: Troy L. Smith and Tom Lane. Has Charles Crossley done his? Because he doesn't really notify FLR. What about Joe? Eric? Alex/Mark? Nick?

Anyway, so far and the newest edition of Follower's Roundup:

2 predictions for Eminem, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, and Pat Benetar

1 prediction each for Carly Simon (Tom). Rage Against The Machine (Troy), and Eurythmics (Tom)

Tom also predicted a side category for New York Dolls, MC5, Fela Kuti or Dolly Parton.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 19:11pm


I notice Navonte Robertson replied to the twit. I'd like his opinion. He hasn't been around here in a minute..

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 19:27pm


Richie

Yes but ballots have already been returned. If it's anything it's an unofficial tally of votes already counted which isn't that weird. They even state it's only about a quarter of the votes.

Do think it's fake just odd for a fake

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 19:34pm


Mat R,

I know ballots have already been returned, but I don't think that they will tally all the votes until all the ballots have been due back, which will be on Friday, April 29, which is the same day that the fan vote ends.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 19:45pm


richie

i hear you but people do often count ballots as they come in like during the us election that was one of the controversies, some states allowed votes to be verified and counted prior. it wouldn't be terribly unusual if the hall counts votes as they came in like once a week or what not, especially given how much bs the hall does. again this isn't a "count" of all ballots but a "portion". it's plausible this has happened but yes probably hasn't just been leaked

please don't make this an issue as this is like a small detail, whether they'd count votes as they came in or not, about a probably fake claim

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 19:55pm


Mat R,

Ballots are due back on Friday, April 29, so ballots returned after that date will not be counted, so yes, A lot of ballots (281 ballots so far) have already been returned and counted, but it's only about a quarter of the votes so far, so we won't know that all the votes have been counted until more ballots have returned, so we still got a bit of time left until ballots are due back on Friday, April 29.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 20:24pm


Mat R,

That Twitter account Rockhallburneraccount (https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1) is a burner account, which means it is a fake Twitter account made by a troll who uses to post anonymously and avoid having their posts (usually ones that are inappropriate somehow) traced to them, Burner accounts happen when people use fake accounts and talk in third person to shit (Excuse me for my language) people they wouldn't shit (Excuse me for my language again) talk on their real account, A burner account is a fake social media presence, It allows someone to be anonymous, It's an anonymous account created quickly that is untraceable and usually for the purpose of trolling, Burner accounts are anonymous social profiles used by people to post in third person about themselves, harass people, or solicit encounters, It is a fake account that is made to troll, so we'll just ignore it and wait for the inductees to be officially announced early next month.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 21:45pm


richie

no one disagrees that whoever this is doesn't want to be found and pretty much stated as much and we're all seemingly in agreement this is most likely fake. it's just a weird post, i've seen fake things similar (working as a sports journalist) and none were this focused on details and notes.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 04/7/2022 @ 21:58pm


With only 26 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.'

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. The Rock Hall appears to love the Eurythmics also. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain?' With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 04:35am


With only 21 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.'

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. The Rock Hall appears to love the Eurythmics also. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain?' With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!


Well

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 04:47am


With only 21 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.'

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. The Rock Hall appears to love the Eurythmics also. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run' and 'That's The Way I'Ve Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs). With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 05:25am


How many of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics and Dolly Parton) do you think will get in this year?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 11:22am


Richie

At least 3 (eminem, duran duran, pat). I think dolly and eurythmics both might but not 100% sold, I'm more confident in dolly than eurythmics.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 12:07pm


It's so difficult to predict at this point. I think it's because we have had time to overthink and overthink. However, while I'm sticking to my predictions, I wouldn't be surprised if either Rage or Beck goes in with this group, either. And, since he came out of nowhere to be somewhere, if they do go with a second 90s act with Eminem, I can see Beck getting the nod. This isn't me changing my predictions, it's simply that there are a ton of ways this can go. However, I'm gonna stick with my revised predictions:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie

and, if 7, Judas Priest

I'm so ready for this to be done, so we can go from what if'ing to analyzing the list and picking apart how they may do the ballot...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 15:30pm


I feel like it needs to be said: Eminem is no a 90s act but a 2000s one. Yes he debuted in 96, broke out in 99, became who he is in the year 2000 and defined the 2000s not the 90s. He's the first 2000s act on the ballot. We've reached the stars of the 2000s. Can we all just agree on this? Cause calling Eminem a 90s artist is very weird. We don't call Nirvana an 80s band or Prince a 70s inductee.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 17:07pm


Mat R,

Yeah I don't get why we are classifying Eminem as a 90s act. He is our first straight-up 2000s act to be inducted in the Hall. Jay-Z I can kind of see why because of his early acclaimed albums and singles in the mid-late 90s, but Eminem is so associated with the 2000s. He started in the 90s sure, yet even a casual person would tell you he was the defining star of that decade.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 17:13pm


Plebeian

Yea I feel like a lot of people think of the hall going by eras (and the hall largely does) and it's hard for people to fathom that the hall was so stuck on the 60s and 70s for so long that we've reached the point where the 80s, 90s, and now 00s are like battling to have the most vital and biggest name nominee. Like next year Missy Elliot and Beyonce (with Destiny's Child) can be nominated and the year after Coldplay, Britney, White Stripes, and System of a Down can be and the year after Lil Wayne, 50 Cent, and J Lo. We haven't even reached the b-list of the 80s (Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, and Motley Crue still not even nominated) and the a-list of the 00s can be nominated.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 17:28pm


K - Dawg,

Well considering the fact that Rage has been passed over induction 3 times before, I literally could think that they'll be a shoo - in for this year because let's be honest it's getting to a point where their snub is creating a logjam for other 90's bands like Soundgarden, Alice in Chains & Smashing Pumpkins whom are still waiting for their call (although Soundgarden had been nominated once) & it's almost getting exhausted. So I do think the Hall couldn't go this year without a 90's band as that has been a case for the past 3 years. I never thought Beck would be nominated as soon especially this year so he'll wait a few more years to get inducted.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 19:25pm


Sorry Enig, but I might only see 2 or 3 of your picks up for induction this year which is Duran Duran, Pat Benatar & Judas Priest. Eminem is an only guarantee & lock for induction as well for possibly A Tribe Called Quest whether you like it or not. I could also see Dolly Parton being inducted despite her request to be remove from nominations & if they go 7 then it's Rage Against the Machine. The point is that the Hall couldn't keep inducting acts from the 60's & 70's & they're moving forward with the 80's & 90's also 00's. Do we need to go back to 2016 & 18 where we see mostly acts from those decades (60 - 70's) getting inducted? That's what the RRHOF is trying not to do, what they're actually trying to do is to be more inclusive & evolving throughout so we will see more of younger acts being nominated & subsequently inducted.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 19:39pm


Jordan Einstein

It's gonna be funny when the hall decides to do a 90s heavy year in like 2028 and Soundgarden (3rd nomination), Rage (5th nomination), and Pumpkins (3rd nomination) are on the ballot with Blink 182 and Weezer who are debut nominees and Weezer and Blink get in and a bunch if think pieces are like "beyond nirvana did grunge actually have a lasting impact?"

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 20:00pm


Mat R,

That right there is pretty much why I think RATM will be inducted this year. Yeah that would be funny & outright ridiculous if they ever did that.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 20:28pm


Jordan Einstein

I actually can see weezer getting in before rage*, Soundgarden, oasis, smashing pumpkins, and alice in chains. It's weird to think but they still matter and are relevant because rivers gets memes.

Kind do think they should try pop punk (blink, offspring, bad religion) or Britpop (oasis, blur, pulp) again (as green day and radiohead are in) next year. The grunge/90s alt metal scene outside of pearl jam or a dave grohl band has struggled a fair bit. I think adding an offspring could aid a Soundgarden.

Sadly i think since grunge has struggled a lot of riot grrl (sleater-kinney, bikini kill) fail to gain traction.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 20:48pm


I have May 2 as the day on my calendar for the inductees to be announced. What do you think?

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 23:49pm


I think that these will be the 2022 inductees:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

If 7:

Judas Priest

Spoilers: Rage Against The Machine, A Tribe Called Quest, Dionne Warwick, Beck, Devo, New York Dolls, Kate Bush

I think that we'll get four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees inducted this year just like the past two years (2020 and 2021) with the four first-time nominees inducted this year being Duran Duran, Eminem, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon and the two repeat nominees inducted this year being Pat Benatar and Eurythmics.

I also think that four of the top five acts in the fan vote this year (Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics) will get in this year with Dolly Parton being the one that misses out on induction this year because of her announcement last month on March 14 that she was bowing out of the race this year even though the Rock Hall announced on March 17 that she would be staying on the 2022 ballot despite her decision, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think the last thing the Rock Hall is another Todd Rundgren situation, The Hall doesn't want a potential inductee to not show up and perform at the ceremony. so inducting her as a Performer against her will would be a slap in the face, I think that it will really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that they will not induct her this year now.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/8/2022 @ 23:55pm


Garrus

I would bet closer to mid May, especially if Richie gets in as the PBS special for him is on May 17 (the Hall is pretty political and they know he's got that going on then so I'm sure they'd want to promote it in connection to the Hall). If they announce it's happening prior to May 7th he's not going in I'm guessing

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 00:20am


Am I the only one that thinks Simon and Ritchie won't get in this year? Like Casper gave a very observant statement. If those two are so heavily predicted to be in the class, why are they bombing so hard with critics/voters? And if not in that small margin, who would really vote for them? Doesn't that at least give you a clue or sort of feeling? Why are we still sticking with those two? I'm honestly surprised some people are in denial about this.

Feel like me and Jordan Einstein are the only ones seeing this.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 00:47am


Plebeian

I would say the reason people are not following critics on those two is because historically neither critical darling to begin with and both were more reliant on industry people and musicians to help their induction. A lot of all voters are promoters, agents, radio programmers in addition to musicians and producers and none of whom would "out" their vote like media people (critics, journalists, djs) would.

They're two acts who we quite likely will have no idea who is backing them and as such we can only guess based on names and how public they are being

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 01:10am


Side note, Richie your formula is wrong. 2021 actually had 3 inductees previously nominated. Carole King, Tina Turner, and Todd Rundgren. Yeah we found out Turner's later from digging deep, but it still applies. I think we might get 3 previously nominated. Half and Half probably.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 01:14am


Plebeian

Also let's be real critics saw their power when radiohead (likely their pick) lose to bon jovi.

Critics have some power but they can be bested in the vote

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 01:14am


True, but that probably attributed to the overabundance towards Boomer rock people on that particular year. Radiohead had no shot against too many classic rock radio people against them. The good news about that whole controversy was it exposed the Hall's major weakness in over relying on classic rock radio staples and basically made them look even more out of touch than usual. Now the ballot seems more fair in just having one or maybe two now.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 01:21am


One final note, this is where I am in predictions:

Eminem
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar
Rage Against The Machine
Duran Duran
Carly Simon

Seems like a fair class

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 01:25am


Plebeian,

A very good class expect for Carly Simon (I still don't get why people are predicting her induction even though there's no hype & nothing trending about her). Also the other part on why Radiohead missed out their FYE induction is because they were still touring & they had a scheduled performance on the day of the 2018 induction so the Hall decided to snub them in favor of not so legendary classic bands like Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits & The Moody Blues. I'm so glad these legendary rockers from UK didn't get in with the 4 since it's a crapshoot year anyway & got their induction following year along with landmark bands The Cure & Roxy Music.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 02:02am


Devo
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Judas Priest
Beck
Duran Duran
Rage Against the Machine
Eurythmics
New York Dolls
Kate Bush

Parton substitute: Dionne Warwick

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 03:03am


AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
The Jeff Beck Group
Steve Miller Band
Pete Best
Peter Green
Big Brother and the Holding Company
The Silver Bullet Band
The Patti Smith Group
The Belmonts
The Revolution
Wings

EARLY INFLUENCE
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle
Tommy Johnson
Scott Joplin
Chubby Checker
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Chic
The Big Bopper
Bobby Rydell

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 03:14am


You know what Enig, but I see 5 of your picks up for induction this year which is Duran Duran, Pat Benatar, Judas Priest Lionel Richie & Carly Simon . Eminem and Duran are the guarantees & lock for induction. Also if they go 7 then it's Rage Against the Machine. It is true that the Hall couldn't keep inducting acts from the 60's & 70's & they're moving forward with the 80's & 90's also 00's. As a person essentially of that era I would love another class like 2018. But I don't think that will ever happen again. There are certain acts of the 80s and 90s I find and terrific and/or deserving. I think for several years it will be a mix of the old 60s and 70s and also 80s & 90s.
I mean soo many in fact most of my favs for the 1960s and 70s have been inducted already. As examples The Doors, Grateful Dead. Allman Brothers B, Led Zep, Neil Young, Pink Floyd, Crosby, Stills & Nash, Fleetwood Mac were inducted over 20 years ago. That alone makes it logical to move ahead to 80s and 90s,
Now I don't think Green Day should have been inducted before Duran Duran and Carly Simon. But hey such is life. But speaking in terms of 80s and 90s where the heck is Soundgarden.
Also, I want to say I have also been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters somewhat. I recall my parents liked Walk on By and a couple other hits. This is despite their love for the 1940s and 50s. I think Dionne Warwick is headed for Early Influence this year

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 04:04am


Ben,

Thank you. I appreciate the fact that you like 83.3% of my picks and with the exception of Eminem, I happen to like most of your choices, also. Now some individuals may still wonder why I am not predicting Eminem. Well, it has a great deal to do with the fact that he may only meet 20% of the criteria that are actually needed for Rock Hall Induction.

Let's compare those 5 essential criteria to the work of: Duran Duran, Judas Priest, Carly Simon, Lionel Richie, Eurythmics and the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), shall we?

1. Length and depth of career- 44 years, 50 years, 58 years, 54 years, 42 years, (52 years, 54 years and 57 years).

2. Influence on other artists- gargantuan, gargantuan, huge, huge, huge, (gargantuan, gargantuan and gargantuan).

3. Body of Work- Superior, Superior, Superior, Superior, Superior, (Superior, Superior and Superior).

4. Innovation and Superiority of Technique- Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes (Yes, Yes and Yes).

5. Recognition by peers and public at large- Yes (see Rush), Yes, Yes (see Rush), Yes (see Rush), Yes (Absolutely, Yes and Yes).

Rush, Duran Duran, Carly Simon and Lionel Richie have all earned Stars on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame, in addition to numerous other honors, although Carly Simon has yet to claim hers.

The Moody Blues are the co-inventors of "art rock" and "prog rock" and had introduced philosophy into the Rock & Roll mainstream- Gargantuan influence. Outside of The Beatles (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) are probably 3 of the most influential artists in music history; Duran Duran is not far behind them, either.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 05:26am


My predictions:

5 performers:

Duran Duran
Eminem
A Tribe Called Quest
Pat Benatar
Dionne Warwick


Early Influence:

MC5
Fela Kuti
Ella Fitzgerald

Musical Excellence:

Chaka Khan
Klaus Voorman

Posted by Dominic Strange on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 07:31am


Dominic Strange,

I just don't think that there'll be 5 Performer inductees this year, I think that there'll be either 6 or 7 Performer inductees this year especially since there are 17 nominees this year (which is more names than usual), so I think that there'll be either 6 or 7 Performer inductees this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 09:03am


Enig

I have to ask: are you a troll right? The moody blues as the co-inventors of art rock is not true (beach boys, spector, beatles, velvet underground, zappa were doing it before they got to it) and rush are not even the most influential band of people from toronto (the band exists, steppenwolf exists, broken social scene exists)

Also your holy trinity lacks pink floyd or peter Gabriel and you don't even talk about kate bush who was david gilmour's protégée.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 09:18am


richie

the only problem with your theory is 2018. 19 nominees and 5 inductees. now i don't think the hall will repeat but there's no real link between so many nominees and inductees

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 09:31am


Mat R,

regarding 2018: I think that there were too many Classic Rock acts that were bound to get in that year, so they went with only 5 inductees that year (just like 2016), Now, There isn't as many Classic Rock acts on the ballot now, so I think that they'll do either 6 or 7 inductees this year (just like the past three years (7 inductees in 2019 and 6 inductees in 2020 and 2021).

What do you think

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 09:39am


Dominic,

Great predictions but there will be 6 performers this year, there hasn't been 5 since 2018. Mostly because the Hall is trying to be more inclusive.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 09:49am


I think it's going to depend on the side categories, we're getting a backlog of people like Dionne, NYD, MC5, Fela who should be in but aren't getting the backing.

So 5 performers, but the side categories made up of the acts from the 17 nominees.

Posted by Dominic Strange on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 10:02am


richie

contrary to what people seem to think there weren't that many classic rock acts on 2018. you had dire straits, moody blues, j geils band, maybe the zombies and link wray but neither are big classic rock acts - you don't hear link wray ever on classic rock radio - and the zombies are more pop - odessey and oracle their most celebrated work is undeniably a pop album. you had a lot of rock but it was new wave and alternative (the cars, depeche mode, radiohead, kate bush, eurythmics) and metal and punk (rage, mc5, priest, bon jovi)

i agree were likely to see at least 6 but i don't think it's linked to 17 nominees

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 10:18am


Dominic Strange,

I really hope that you're wrong about 5 Performers inducted, I just have a gut feeling that there'll be either 6 or 7 Performers inducted this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 10:20am


Here are my predictions for the 2022 inductees:

FINAL PREDICTION

Inductees (7):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
Fela Kuti
Dionne Warwick

Musical Excellence:

Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 12:04pm


Enigmaticus,

I think that your comparison of Eminem with those artists is pretty subjective. He may not be your cup of tea, and he is certainly socially problematic in many ways, but on every objective level he's absolutely a worthy inductee that fulfills every one of the same criteria as the rest of your predicted artists.

The longevity aspect I don't think is a fair comparison, as it doesn't really matter how long artists have been making music for, that's just a piece of trivia. The more important measure of longevity to me is how long an artist has been making the work that defines their legacy in the public consciousness (i.e. The Rolling Stones have been active for 59 years, but it's really only the 20-ish year period from 1963 to 1982 or so that defines their legacy, everything after that is extra). Eminem has had a longevity of career that stacks up longer than most inducted artists.

Also, you may not agree with it, but popularity and commercial success are 100% part of the equation and to leave it out of your predictions because you don't think that it *should* work that way is disingenuous. And with Eminem, being by some measures the highest selling artist of all time is one hell of a qualification.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 12:14pm


Richie

Imma be Dr dre is an insanely awful awful pick for musical excellence, especially after they just inducted rundgren.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 12:15pm


Richie,

I would switch Dr. Dre with Lee "Scratch" Perry mostly because he got inducted as a member of N.W.A six years ago & Perry has 0 nominations, also due to the fact that Perry passed last year I would possibly think that the Hall would honor him by putting him in AME.

As for Early Influence, you have two (Kuti & Warwick) that are nominated this year in the category & I also would think that they will go with others that didn't get nomination this year to put them in their place.

For AEA, very well impressed.

But in the Performers, I could only see Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, ATCQ & possibly Judas Priest as inductees. Eurythmics could wait for one more nomination & Simon is most likely would be inducted under a different category instead of performer.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 12:51pm


Here's the thing Dominic, the ones you mentioned (Warwick, Kuti, MC5 & NYD's) are from the 60's & 70's, with the former being done with & the latter just about there so the Hall could be more inclusive & evolving with 80's & 90's. That's why the Hall is going with 6 performers & neither all of 4 would be inducted. They're mostly like going to be inducted through non - voting categories.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 12:56pm


Jordan Einstein

Lee perry is a good contender for either ame or early influence. I think, realistically, there's only one person the hall is feeling the pressure to really induct via a side category this year and that's rakim.

Every article from rolling stone to the root has stressed that rakim is not in and pondered if it makes sense to induct eminem before rakim, aka the guy eminem considers the goat. It's been one of the main narratives this class.

I really can't see another hip hop linked artists going in a side category this year

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 12:59pm


Jordan Einstein,

I just don't think that Dolly Parton is getting in this year now, I think that her announcement that she was bowing out of the race this year has really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, The Hall doesn't want a potential inductee to not show up and perform at the ceremony. So inducting her as a Performer against her will would be a slap in the face. I think that they will either not induct her this year now or they'll induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence rather than as a Performer this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 13:04pm


Mat R,

I just don't see them inducting Rakim in a side category this year, Even though he's Eminem's idol, I think that it would really totally scream cronyism if he got in via a side category this year, I see Dr. Dre being far more likely than Rakim in a side category this year because Dr. Dre has collaborated with Eminem so many times through the years and both Dr. Dre and Eminem took part in LL Cool J's induction last year (Dr. Dre inducted LL and Eminem performed with LL), so them (Dr. Dre and Eminem) both going in together in the same year would be so fitting and perfect.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 13:15pm


Richie

How does rakim scream cronyism but dre doesn't? Your logic here makes zero sense

On top of that, dr dre is a massive artist in his own right (the chronic is top 50 on rolling stone 500 and 2001 went 7 times platinum) who has never been nominated solo. Are you telling me an iconic black man, who succeeded as a producer and performer, doesn't deserve a shot at the main category but a less iconic white male like Todd rundgren, who is also better known as a producer, is?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 13:26pm


Mat R,

I think that Dr. Dre deserves a shot as a Performer just like Todd Rundgren, but he's also a good candidate for Musical Excellence as well because of his producing credits, I think that it would totally scream cronyism if Rakim got in via a side category this year only just because he's Eminem's idol. It would be so unfair, IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 13:39pm


Richie

If you agree dre makes sense as a performer why not even try that? Skipping that step with dre makes no sense

On top of that, rakim isn't just Eminem's goat: he's pretty much everyone's pick for goat. There's a reason every publication is singling him out and it's because he's almost always put in the top 5 mcs ever. Paid in full was also a top 50 album on the rolling stone top 500. The induction of him, an artist of deep importance but not overly commercially successful, holds a lot of meaning to a lot of people beyond just eminem.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 13:50pm


Mat R. and R.G.,

No, I am not a troll, but I am definitely a huge adversary of rock music critics. I am a huge supporter of most prog and prog adjacent artists. I have had an Internet presence for nearly 25 consecutive years. I joined the prog rings together with my original website and my website has now been long-archived. I have long been an advocate for the induction of such artists.

The Moody Blues had definitely released the first progressive rock album, "Days Of Future Passed" and Rush and Yes are absolutely hugely influential. I am not saying that The Beach Boys and The Beatles were not influential on the genre. By the way, where exactly are you getting your contradictory information?

As far as Eminem selling 225 million albums worldwide is concerned, you can not always believe everything that the music industry says; they want every artist to kowtow to their every whim. Rush does not fit in that category. No one knows how many albums Rush has actually sold, except perhaps Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, the family of the late Neil Peart, their managers, accountants and attorneys. Even speculators have been squelched. But it is quite sizable.

Did Eminem play a musical instrument, not a boom box, or some kind of board, but an actual string instrument, woodwind, brass instrument, or percussive device? Did he win awards on the use of this particular musical instrument?

Since he is essentially a d.j., Did the poetry which he had composed influence other musical artists?

Has he had nearly a half century of work to judge?

Has Eminem created a body of work which stands the test of time?

Those are the criteria which I use to determine whether I will, or will not support an individual artist's Rock Hall induction.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 14:28pm


Richie,

I would switch Dr. Dre with Lee "Scratch" Perry mostly because he got inducted as a member of N.W.A six years ago & Perry has 0 nominations, also due to the fact that Perry passed last year I would possibly think that the Hall would honor him by putting him in AME.

As for Early Influence, you have two (Kuti & Warwick) that are nominated this year in the category & I also would think that they will go with others that didn't get nomination this year to put them in their place.

For AEA, very well impressed.

But in the Performers, I could only see Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, ATCQ & possibly Judas Priest as inductees. Eurythmics could wait for one more nomination & Simon is most likely would be inducted under a different category instead of performer.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 14:32pm


Enig

Quit being such a prog STAN. Oh look i used the term Stan which eminem originated and has largely replaced the term fan

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 14:43pm


Enigmaticus,

My responses to your questions:

Did Eminem play a musical instrument, not a boom box, or some kind of board, but an actual string instrument, woodwind, brass instrument, or percussive device? Did he win awards on the use of this particular musical instrument?

This is an arbitrary goalpost that only you have set. Vocal and electronic rhythm as it is used in hip hop is just as valid of a form of musical expression as any use of musical instruments, and while it might not be your taste, it is not up to you to gatekeep what does and doesn't count as music.

Since he is essentially a d.j., Did the poetry which he had composed influence other musical artists?

Yes, practically every rapper who has come after him along with artists in other genres.

Has he had nearly a half century of work to judge?

Again, arbitrary goalpost, and given that the eligibility for induction is 26 years, shouldn't matter at all.

Has Eminem created a body of work which stands the test of time?

This is incredibly subjective, and we would need the eligibility threshold to be much, much later in order to judge. And by the test of time, do you mean that people in future generations know the music? Because I am a young person, and let me tell you, most people in my cohort could probably name 2-3 Rush songs, and I doubt any of them would recognize a single Moody Blues song. Both are of course rightfully inducted, but I think your criteria is very subjective.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 15:31pm


Enig

Gonna be honest.

A lot of this seems less like prog advocacy and more like just hating rap, seemingly cause rap is a bit more mainstream.

Like the standards you're creating could be used against prog acts. You talk about 50 year careers and playing instruments well the prog nominee kate bush pales compared to mc5 and can't top Lionel Richie or fela kuti when it comes to playing instruments.

Would you back styx over mars volta cause their music is older? Both are prog. A lot of your criteria doesn't work

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 18:15pm


Mat R,

Official ballots are due back on Friday, April 29, the same day that the fan vote ends, so I think that we'll get the announcement of the 2022 Rock Hall class in the first week of May, probably either Tuesday, May 3 or Wednesday, May 4.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 18:57pm


Richie

Maybe but i think there's a chance they delay it a bit to either boost or avoid interfering with stuff nominees have going on in mid may cause There's a lot.

-lionel has his tv special
-devo are headlining a festival
-benetar starts her tour
-mc5 start a tour

Announcing prior coule really be an albatross around those who fail to get in neck's right as their starting a tour (richie probably wouldn't want to answer questions about not getting in when he just wants to promote his special) or could become a selling point if it's announced right before the first of a tour (like mc5 would love that cause it sells tickets and their new album)

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/9/2022 @ 19:49pm


I have May 15 as the announcement date.

PERFORMERS

Devo
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Beck
Kate Bush
New York Dolls
Duran Duran

Dolly substitute: Dionne Warwick

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
Chubby Checker
The Big Bopper

EARLY INFLUENCE
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle
Tommy Johnson

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 01:56am


PERFORMERS

Devo
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Beck
Kate Bush
New York Dolls
Duran Duran

Dolly substitute: Dionne Warwick

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
Chubby Checker
The Big Bopper

EARLY INFLUENCE
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle
Scott Joplin

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 02:04am


Jordan,
I agree with you. The ones mentioned (Warwick, Kuti, MC5 & NYD's) are from the 60's & 70's, with the former ones being done with as Performers. The latter 2 still have some chance.With the new diversity brought by 80s and 90s acts. I'm not a fan of MC5 and NY Dolls but I know they are an influence on Modern acts. I predict Dionne Warwick strictly as E Influence. Fela Kuti may be Musical Excellence in another year.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 04:40am


Here's how I would put this year's nominees in order of likelihood of getting in this year and they are:

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Pat Benatar
4. Carly Simon
5. Eurythmics
6. Judas Priest
7. A Tribe Called Quest
8. Rage Against The Machine
9. Dionne Warwick
10. Beck
11. New York Dolls
12. Kate Bush
13. Devo
14. Dolly Parton
15. Lionel Richie
16. MC5
17. Fela Kuti

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 12:25pm


1) Too high on Simon. We're seeing little momentum behind her from the writers that have publicly revealed their ballots and she's kind of a faceless member of the singer-songwriter universe.

2) Beck is the real wild card this season. His numbers are abysmal and publicly revealed ballots but perhaps that's just a fluke and he sails right in? I'd say he's somewhere in the #6-10 area and competing for one of the last one or two inductee slots.

3) You're too low on Parton. Yes, she bowed out, but not before 2/3 of the ballots had been mailed out and she was looking real good with voters. I'd say a Top Five pick with a higher likelihood of being inducted than not.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 13:19pm


I wonder who will be our 3-timer or more?

Obviously not Devo, NYD, Kate Bush, and MC5

So I'm thinking either Rage or Priest. Priest seems to have the momentum and promoting like Hell. However, the ceremony is in L.A. and outside factors seems align with Rage. What to choose?

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 13:36pm


Casper,

The reason why that I put Carly Simon high is because as Tom Lane said, This one's for the baby boomers, She has the 70's Singer-Songwriter thing going for her and they always induct a 70's Singer-Songwriter nearly every time that they come onto the ballot, plus the push for more women to get in as well, so I think that she stands a very good chance, That's why I have so high on my list.

Also, The reason why that I put Dolly Parton low is because I think that her announcement that she was bowing out of the race this year has really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, The Hall doesn't want a potential inductee to not show up and perform at the ceremony. So inducting her as a performer against her will would be a slap in the face, I think that they will either not induct her this year now or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 13:37pm


The artist I do not want in the most is Eminem.

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 15:19pm


Richie

Re 70s singer songwriter types

John prine didn't get in 2019, carole king, cat stevens, and billy joel took 2 nominations, joni mitchell, todd rundgren, and laura nyro all took 3.

Carly is on her first nomination

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 15:26pm


Richie

Also please stop with the "I think the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation" line. If the hall was concerned about that then they wouldn't have inducted Todd Rundgren cause they just dealt with the Radiohead situation 2 years prior and Bowie, Van Halen, Sex Pistols, Rod Stewart, Joni all skipped.

Beyond that, yes Dolly asked to decline but if she does get in maybe she'll have a change of heart and show up like Def Leppard or Nine Inch Nails.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 16:05pm


Garrus,

Sorry but Eminem is the only lock & guarantee for this year, just because you don't want him inducted doesn't mean he will not be so. The Hall is not there for your personal tastes, it's there to honor legendary acts & the work they created. Also the Hall is letting in 6 or 7 performers not 10 or more.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 16:18pm


Here's my rankings of nominees based on chances of induction based on overall votes.

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. A Tribe Called Quest
4. Pat Benatar
5. Dolly Parton
6. Judas Priest
7. Rage Against the Machine
8. Eurythmics
9. Devo
10. New York Dolls
11. Fela Kuti
12. Dionne Warwick
13. MC5
14. Carly Simon
15. Kate Bush
16. Lionel Richie
17. Beck

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 16:35pm


Curious

Do anyone think they won't induct 2 nominees in side categories?

Most here seem to think some combo of Fela, Dionne, and MC5 will get Early Influence or Musical Excellence this year. Kind of curious if anyone doesn't see that happening

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 18:17pm


Mat R,

I'm predicting Fela and Dionne for Early Influence this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 18:23pm


Mat R,

I think the number of special category inductees will be similar to last year, but I'm a little more hesitant than some to predict that the artists honored will be artists that are currently on the performer ballot. The Musical Excellence category worked pretty well last year because it was rounded between an obvious "we just want this artist in" pick (LL), a traditional sideman (Rhoads), and an artist who would never be considered by just their solo career, but deserves induction because of their solo career and collaborative work with other artists combined (Preston). I don't think it's at the point yet where it's exclusively a path for nominated but not inducted artists to get shoehorned in yet. So that's why I think that like, Chaka Khan will get in via ME, and maaaaaybe MC5 via Early Influence, but any others will probably be artists that more fit the other molds of how these side categories are used.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 18:36pm


PERFORMERS
A Tribe Called Quest
Eminem
Lionel Richie
Fela Kuti
Rage Against the Machine
New York Dolls
Carly Simon

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
The Big Bopper
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle
Scott Joplin

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 04/10/2022 @ 20:23pm


Garrus,

No criticism but your predictions are pretty bad, Eminem is great, ATCQ is looking good, Rage is fine but you have artists that are ranging from pre rock & roll days to 70's/80's & that makes it a bit of a crapshoot class if the Hall announces the class like this. Now don't get me wrong your picks in Early Influence, AME & AEA are deserving but there's absolutely no way that all of them would be inducted through the categories in all one year. Also, for the performer category you have Fela Kuti, NYD's, Lionel Richie & Carly Simon & for the 2 of them (Kuti & NYD's) are very much likely going to be inducted through the side categories just like your picks in those because I said it before the 60's are done with nominations & 70's are just about there. For Simon & Richie, inducting them in same year along with Eminem is pretty boring & whatnot plus they are not doing so well in the overall voting. Just my thoughts.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 04/11/2022 @ 01:41am


For the performers, I went with what I thought would please the Hall the most. For EI and AME I went with artists of my preference. EI used to be a forties and earlier category, which is why I have Joplin in there.

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 04/11/2022 @ 02:00am


Garrus,
I think your picks for performers are generally Ok. I did check on Ed Sullivan and look at that he has not been inducted as Non Performer as far as I can tell. I would love to see the Special categories like this, But I have seen that it's been expanded to be more modern. It makes sense that if performers move to the 80s and 90s more. Special categories moves to the late 60s early 70s. Early influence retained a 1930s and 40s feel with Charlie Patton in 2021. So the Early Influence could be that way. No way thats the Musical Excellence category. I in fact have Rakim like others here in my picks of Musical Excellence. And this come from me, who was very excited When the Who and then the Doors were inducted. I know just a little about Rakim. But it's sooner Rakim than the Big Bopper and Chubby Checker. I agree with Jordan on special categories.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/11/2022 @ 03:14am


Garrus,

I get what you're saying but when it comes to Performer category, they're trying to become more modern, diverse, popular & representative of the acts for it, mostly the ones that defined MTV generation in the 80's, 90's & beyond. Special categories like Early Influence & Musical Excellence is going to become a shot for the ones from 60's, 70's or possibly 80's too who not yet have been inducted (That's exactly what happened with Kraftwerk & LL Cool J last year). That's pretty much why acts like Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, A Tribe Called Quest & RATM will likely be inducted as performers while others like MC5, NYD's, Fela Kuti, Devo, Kate Bush, Dionne Warwick & possibly Lionel Richie would eventually be honored through two categories.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 04/11/2022 @ 14:11pm


Alright to kill the time and have some fun

It's the ceremony and everyone is having a good time having just heard MC5 play "Kick Out the Jams" cause Early Influence inductees now get a spotlight. Suddenly, Steven Van Zandt walks to the mic and says "Hi everybody it's time for a very special part of the evening as tonight we honour these six songs" and everyone cries

What six songs do you think would get inducted into the singles category in 2022 if they brought it back?

My picks
- "American Woman" by The Guess Who
- "Rapper's Delight" by The Sugarhill Gang
- "Mr. Sandman" by The Chordettes
- "I Gotcha" by Joe Tex
- "Marquee Moon" by Television
- "American Pie" by Don McLean

Posted by mat r on Monday, 04/11/2022 @ 23:17pm


Here's a Quick King 6 Songs.
Debbie Boone-You Light Up My Life
Don McLean-American Pie
The Marvelettes-Please Mr. Postman
The Guess Who-American Woman
The Sonics-Have Gun, Will Travel
The Youngbloods-Get Together
KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 00:54am


Today is April 12, 2022. It's good to see that Philip has finally given his preliminary opinion of the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog." Thank you, Philip.

With only 17 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.'

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. The Rock Hall appears to love the Eurythmics also. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run' and 'That's The Way I'Ve Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 02:47am


Enig,

Only see three of your picks (Duran Duran, Benatar & Judas Priest) having high chances for induction this year & the others (Lionel Richie, Eurythmics & Carly Simon) might have to wait with only 2 of them maybe returning for next year. Also what makes you think Duran Duran & Eurythmics are prog even though I've never seen them being consider as one. Please explain?

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 03:27am


Ok. The six songs I think would get inducted into the singles category in 2022 if they brought it back.

"Mr, Sandman"-The Chordettes
"The Three Bells"-The Browns
"Wipe Out"-Surfaris
"Put a Little Love in your Heart"-Jackie De Shannon
"I Gotcha"-Joe Tex
"Undercover Angel"-Alan O Day

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 04:30am


People can hate Eminem all they like. The RRHOF is on a bender to include rap, and he's as influential as they come. He's going in FYE and FYI. If they don't put him in, while Enig has a brilliant class of predictions, you don't sniff the current generations of emerging Rock and Roll fans who have to remain interested to keep the Hall relevant. Relying on Judas Priest's ties to the LGBTQ contingent and the championing of Parton and Roger Taylor (or whichever Taylor it was) claiming they weren't rock and roll, which appeases the rockists who blast the RRHOF with their capital letters and one hit wonder suggestions, isn't going to answer that need.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 05:27am


Mat R,

https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1

From April 7:

https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/15122087977979121670

#Rockhall2022 standings currently from about 1/4 of the vote

Based 281 votes

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Lionel Richie
4. Dolly Parton (her votes have slowed but still getting them)
5. Pat Benatar
6. A Tribe Called Quest (a lot of critical support I'm told not much else atm)
----my guess at the cut off------
7. Judas Priest
8. Fela Kuti (buddy thinks it's guilt over last year driving it)
9. Dionne Warwick
10. Beck
11. Kate Bush (been doing a lot better post Dolly. My guess is memes. She might crack top 10)
12. Rage Against The Machine (I think people are tired of them)
13. Devo
14. Eurythmics (Started strong but slowed down a lot)
15. Carly Simon (Biggest shocker so far. No idea why)
16. MC5
17. New York Dolls (feel bad for them and MC5 but I think people are just tired from who I've talked to)

and from last night:

https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/1513696900876226561

Update #RockHall2022

Based 364 votes

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Lionel Richie
4. Pat Benatar
5. Dolly Parton
6. A Tribe Called Quest and Judas Priest (4 vote difference)
----my guess at the cut off----
7. Fela Kuti and Dionne Warwick (also super close)
8. Rage Against The Machine
9. Eurythmics (another wave hit)
10. Kate Bush
11. Beck
12. Devo
13. Carly Simon
14. MC5
15. New York Dolls

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 08:24am


My six songs would be:

"Spirit in the Sky" - Norman Greenbaum
"Misirlou" - Dick Dale & the Del-Tones
"Please Mr. Postman" - The Marvelettes
"Wichita Lineman" - Glen Campbell
"I'd Love to Change the World" - Ten Years After
"Tainted Love" - Soft Cell

Posted by Michael W. on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 08:44am


Hold on a second, Richie why are you using the burner account again? I thought this was fake? What is going on?

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 09:03am


richie's a great guy, but if someone has predictions made, no matter where the source, he's like a moth to the flame. He can't resist.

I hate how they've drug out the process the last few years, but we gotta sit tight and wait for the results. I've said I only trust Casper with leak reports, so this burner account would have to prove it, so it's good to have the documentation, at least.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 12:33pm


Philip has done his I-5! No mention of who the biggest albums act or biggest singles act is (by charts, not sales)

1. Dolly Parton
2. Fela Kuti
3. Duran Duran
4. Beck
5. Judas Priest
6. A Tribe Called Quest
7. Rage Against The Machine
8. Eminem
9. Pat Benatar
10. Euythmics
11. Dionne Warwick
12. Lionel Richie
13. New York Dolls
14. Kate Bush
15. Carly Simon
16. Devo
17. MC5

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 13:04pm


Plebeian,

I think the burner account is at least worth keeping an eye on. There's obviously nothing indicating its validity, but if it's fake the creator is in tune enough with how this institution works to make it believable enough that we shouldn't completely dismiss it out of hand.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 13:32pm


RG,

Alright, but I'm still suspicious.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 14:08pm


Another Rock Hall voter picked ATCQ. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I really hope an induction can really happen this year.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 16:49pm


Dare I dream that the voters can pull this off for A Tribe Called Quest???

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 18:16pm


RG and Jordan Einstein,

Since I'm hoping off the Rage train because I don't think they will have a chance after some thinking. What do you think their fate is? I hope it isn't musical excellence. As a fan, I don't think it's possible these guys will ever get in. They failed at every attempt so far. This worries me. Sidenote happy for Priest and Tribe. They both deserve it!

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 20:23pm


It's surprising to see Duran Duran, Eminem, and A Tribe Called Quest tied for most votes on the ballot tracker with 8.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 20:29pm


I don't think we should count Rage out just yet. I think the Hall should definitely give them a bit of a break and consider other 90s acts for a little while (because repetitive nominations aren't always helpful to an artist's candidacy), but once the 90s era becomes the prominent decade for induction, Rage will likely get their rightful admittance into the hall.

Posted by Brasssection on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 21:34pm


If I'm not mistaken, a nominee has to appear on half of the returned ballots to be inducted into the R&R HoF. If the fourteen votes recorded by the Rock Hall Vote Tracker are representative (which I doubt), there will be only two new inductees--Eminem and Duran Duran--will be inducted.

Posted by Joe S. on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 21:44pm


Joe S,

You are mistaken, there is no such rule.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 22:08pm


Plebeian,

I really don't know what's the situation with RATM, maybe it's because they pretty much don't have a lot of stance during their initial years just like other 90's bands who were inducted before them. Or maybe because the Hall considered them as metal (in which the Hall ignores). Just my thoughts per say.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 22:51pm


Plebeian

I don't think the AME Rage (sure you could give it to Tom but you really gonna do Zach dirty like that? I think not) but I do think they need to take a break cause this is not working. Maybe having a Weezer or Smashing Pumpkins or a Tool or a Korn be nominated and possibly inducted will aid Rage's chances down the line.

Also I think more rap might help them. I think a lot of the rockist voters might dislike that Zach raps and as Rage have extremely strong links to a ton of rappers (Tom, Tim and Brad did Prophets of Rage with Chuck D and B-Real and Zach is basically the #3 in Run the Jewels with Killer Mike and El P) and I think that base growing aids them connection wise and they have a ton of cred on that front.

richie

I still think it's fake but a good one. That placement of Carly feels off for a fake IMO it's just too cartoonishly bad.

======

Also 2 hip hop acts possibly going in on the ballot. Sea change moment or just the luck of having the biggest on the planet nominated? Bare in mind, Outkast, Missy Elliot, Snoop, Nas, Dre could all be on the ballot in 2023 and soon Lauryn, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent will also enter the picture. Plenty of hip hop mega names to test the mega rapper and critical darling pairing in the place of Eminem

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 23:27pm


@Mat R

I really think the possibility of two Hip Hop inductees in one year is a combination of that, and many people who really like A Tribe Called Quest.

Heck, even Elton John called them the "seminal Hip Hop band of all time".
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/elton-john-a-huge-tribe-called-quest-810825/amp/

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 04/12/2022 @ 23:51pm


Mat R,

Here's who I think seems to be the path in 90s alternative:

Soundgarden (Biggest 90s alt rock act not in)
Smashing Pumpkins (Have Azoff backing, monstrous albums, and seem to have both critical and commercial sides. Also Corgan is a much nicer (?) guy now so controversy is not warranted)
Weezer (On the fence critically, but probably the only relevant 90s alt rock band that still gets news these days)
Beck (This is not his year, but chances might grow over time in more noms)
Rage (Back again after they hit more 90s alt and other rap acts; please don't be a LL Cool J situation)

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 00:05am


John R.C.

Yep I'm living for it. Really hope they pull this off.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 00:09am


Plebeian

Weezer should be a total lock for everyone. As you point out "probably the only relevant 90s alt rock band that still gets news these days" and it's mostly true. Weezer are a band that everyone probably wrote off as a serios band in 2005 and it's now 2022 and the critics still debate them, rock radio and playlists push them, and internet communities have no idea how to view them cause they dressed as hobbits out of nowhere and made anthony fantano cry tears of joy during a livestream when he first heard their new record that pitchfork gave them a 5 out 10 and then they have a #1 single that everyone from halsey to lingua ignota will record a loving cover of while panic at the disco and taylor swift openly swoon over...then rivers posts a meme about soccer and how he has a moustache.

foo fighters, red hot chili peppers, and green day all still move albums but they don't matter to music like weezer matters. it's freakin weird.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 01:33am


About a month left now, so let me see.

Carly Simon- The essential songwriter. Several certified albums and numerous hit singles.
Lionel Richie- Commercially phenomenal with a diamond album. Walk of fame, Kennedy Center, Four Grammys, a Golden Globe, and an Oscar.
Devo- Would open true new wave open and give The B-52's and the like better chances. Huge legacy. Two certified albums. Single Whip It went platinum.
A Tribe Called Quest- Pioneered a fusion of jazz and rap. All of their albums were certified.
New York Dolls- The Hall likes glam. Influenced the Sex Pistols, Kiss, and The Smiths.
Eurythmics- Several certified albums. Several hit singles with Sweet Dreams going gold. Missionary Man won a Grammy. Lennox is to be inducted into the Songwriter Hall of Fame.
Pat Benatar- Would add to the 80s female hard rockers. Numerous certified albums. Numerous hit singles.
Dolly Parton- An icon to all, although she may have ruined her chances with her request. Numerous certified albums. Several Grammys. Walk of Fame. Songwriter Hall. Living Legend Award. Medal of Arts.
Dionne Warwick- Two gold albums and several additional hits. Numerous hit singles, some going gold. Several Grammys. Would be a perfect substitute for Parton.
Kate Bush- I cannot see much. She was phenomenal in Europe but in the US she only had two albums, one going gold. Running Up That Hill was a hit single.
Fela Kuti- The obligatory foreigner. A pioneer in afrobeat. A major participant in African activism. His work influenced Broadway. A play was produced about him. It was nominated for 11 Tonys. His work was used in GTA IV.
Duran Duran- helped bring the new wave, post punk, and synthrock sounds to the mainstream. Numerous certified albums. Numerous hit singles, two gold. Did the theme song to A View to a Kill. Two Grammys. Walk of Fame.
MC5- Kick Out the Jams is considered a pioneer in rock, punk, and metal.
Judas Priest- Several certified albums with several additional hits. Several rock hits. They won a Grammy.
Eminem- Pioneer of white rap and inventor of comedy rap. Numerous certified albums, two diamond. Numerous certified singles including a collaboration with Rhianna going diamond.
Rage Against the Machine- They already have Beastie Boys, so RATM might not have much of a chance. The band was successful, however, with all of their albums certified. Numerous rock hits. Two Grammys.
Beck- Phenomenally successful and greatly diverse. Numerous certified albums. Loser was a gold single with numerous additional hits.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 01:52am


Yes indeed about a month left now. Me and Garrus seem to be similar. He seems to have grown up with the Classic Rock while it was still in its heyday and somewhat active and current. But like me he understands being objective. Enig is great with his lists but sorry he does disregard more modern artists .I know almost no tunes from certain nominees this year but I read about them. Unlike Garrus I will just Detail my predictions for 2022. Ok Let me see.

Pat Benatar-Would add to the 80s female hard rockers. Numerous hit albums. Numerous hit singles like Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Fire And Ice and Love is a Batllefield
Duran Duran- helped bring the new wave, post punk, and synthrock sounds to the mainstream while still keeping guitars in the sound. Numerous hit albums. Numerous hit singles. Did the theme song to A View to a Kill. Also Rio, Hungry Like the Wolf, Union of the Snake. Walk of Fame.
Eminem- Pioneer of white rap and inventor of comedy rap. Numerous hit albums, At least 2 were number one. Numerous hit singles including a collaborations with Elton John and Rihanna on stage that I only read about.
Judas Priest- Several huge albums, Several rock hits. like Living After Midnight, Breaking the Law and You've Got Another Thing Coming. They are one of the biggest Heavy metal bands of all time
Rage Against the Machine- They already have Beastie Boys, but so what, The band was successful, however, with all of their albums rather big. Numerous rock hits. Killing in the Name and Bulls on Parade come to mind.
Lionel Richie- Commercially phenomenal with several big albums. Walk of fame, Kennedy Center appearance, a Golden Globe, and an Oscar. for Say You Say Me. That's one of his biggest hits. It was in White Nights I think.
.Carly Simon- An essential singer/songwriter. Several huge albums and numerous hit singles with You're So Vain, Haven't Got Time for the Pain, Nobody Does it Better, Coming Around Again. She is one of the most popular Adult contemporary artists and has connections to folk music.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 05:32am


Who I think will be inducted:

Eminem - He'll be 100% guarantee & lock for induction by November 2022. He's too popular & influential to be passed over for the honor especially in his FYE.

Duran Duran - There's a lot of hype about them in recent years & with their latest release of Future Past & their performance at ACL. I think it's safe to say that with the Go Go's induction last year, this year will be DD's year & might headline the ceremony in November along with Eminem.

Dolly Parton - Sure her decline of the nomination is pretty much hurting her chances of possible induction this year but she's doing very well in the overall voting & given the fact that there's not a lot of country acts in there the Hall would put her in despite her wishes anyway.

Rage Against the Machine - Well it's their 4th nomination & I'm predicting that this will be their final shot since they were past over for induction 3 times before & there has been a number of 90's bands that were inducted in the last few years. Also given the fact that the ceremony is in their hometown of L.A & their tour is this year, let them have their induction this time so we can move on to other acts of the 90's decade who are still waiting for consideration: Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins etc.

Pat Benatar: A lot of people were shocked when Benatar didn't get inducted in 2020 & didn't make a return last year but this year might be different since she's also doing well in the votes & now that Tina Turner is finally inducted she might have a clear shot for this year.

A Tribe Called Quest: Now another rap act up for induction this year, heck maybe we can have 2 rappers being inducted at the same time & the Hall did that with Jay - Z & LL Cool J last year (even though they put the latter in the different category) so yeah ATCQ are also doing well in the voting so yeah let this be their year.



Wild Card:

Judas Priest - Now the Metal genre has been completely ignored by the voting committee for a long time & it's their 3rd nomination this year, also the institution knows that they can't keep passing the genre over & over again & this time may be different. With the ballot being less classic rock & somewhat if they go with 7 performers then Judas Priest would be the one.



The Rest:

Beck - I personally never thought that Beck would be nominated so soon especially this year & now that he's nominated, his chances for induction are not an all time high plus because there are other 90's acts still waiting for their call I would say that he might wait for another few more years to finally get it.

Kate Bush - Very deserving of induction & she checks everything needed for it (well expect for commercial success maybe), but because the Hall is so US centric & normally inducts UK acts that have popularity over here, the only way I would see her getting in is by putting her into the non - voting categories like "Award for Musical Excellence" so that she could have a chance without being nominated.

Devo - I actually thought that these rockers from Akron, OH would be nominated for 3rd time whenever the ceremony comes back to Cleveland but I was off by that because it's their third one this year & due to the fact that they were nominated alongside Duran Duran (in which they have the most chances so far), I don't see that happening for them this year. The Hall would pretty much eventually put them in AME like Bush above.

Eurythmics - They're back on the ballot again & this time there's a 50/50 for their inclusion mostly because they were nominated alongside DD & there hasn't been any hype about them for a long while so they might be returning one more time in the near future.

Fela Kuti - The most "obscure" act to be nominated, he had influence over honorees like Talking Heads & Peter Gabriel, he was nominated last year & came strong at 2nd place in the Fan Vote but he didn't get in & for this year his chances are at an all time low just like Beck & the only way is the AME or Early Influence.

MC5 - Well at this point, I think this iconic band had pretty much exhausted their chances & this year would be no different. Heck come to think of it, they're likely going to be following Kraftwerk in Early Influence because the Hall is definitely moving on from the 60's & the 70's would end soon. That could be said for other artists of those decades.

New York Dolls - Unlike MC5, they haven't exhausted their nominations but might be following them & Kraftwerk in Early Influence, however maybe they should have one more shot to be inducted as performers since the ceremony would be returning in NYC next year I think.

Lionel Richie - He inducted Clarence Avant last year & this is his first nomination & with that said, I would rather see him getting inducted with The Commodores not on his own because it's going to leave out a huge part of the story.

Carly Simon - I actually never thought about her consideration & with that said, I don't think she has a big chance this year. Carole King got inducted last year but that's not an guarantee plus it took King & other 70's singer - songwriters two tries to get in so it could be the same case for Simon.

Dionne Warwick - As i said before, the 60's are done for nominations so Warwick would eventually be in one of the non - voting categories so the Hall could move on nominating & inducting the 80's, 90's & pretty much soon 00's.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 08:28am


A tribe called quest enter the library of congress. My pick for a 2023 nomination wu tang and interestingly ricky martin did too

2022 National Recording Registry:

1. "Harlem Strut" — James P. Johnson (1921)

2. Franklin D. Roosevelt: Complete Presidential Speeches (1933-1945)

3. "Walking the Floor Over You" — Ernest Tubb (1941) (single)

4. "On a Note of Triumph" (May 8, 1945)

5. "Jesus Gave Me Water" — The Soul Stirrers (1950) (single)

6. "Ellington at Newport" — Duke Ellington (1956) (album)

7. "We Insist! Max Roach's Freedom Now Suite" — Max Roach (1960) (album)

8. "The Christmas Song" — Nat King Cole (1961) (single)

9. "Tonight's the Night" — The Shirelles (1961) (album)

10. "Moon River" — Andy Williams (1962) (single)

11. "In C" — Terry Riley (1968) (album)

12. "It's a Small World" — The Disneyland Boys Choir (1964) (single)

13. "Reach Out, I'll Be There" — The Four Tops (1966) (single)

14. Hank Aaron's 715th Career Home Run (April 8, 1974)

15. "Bohemian Rhapsody" — Queen (1975) (single)

16. "Don't Stop Believin'" — Journey (1981) (single)

17. "Canciones de Mi Padre" — Linda Ronstadt (1987) (album)

18. "Nick of Time" — Bonnie Raitt (1989) (album)

19. "The Low End Theory" — A Tribe Called Quest (1991) (album)

20. "Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)" — Wu-Tang Clan (1993) (album)

21. "Buena Vista Social Club" (1997) (album)

22. "Livin' La Vida Loca" — Ricky Martin (1999) (single)

23. "Songs in A Minor" — Alicia Keys (2001) (album)

24. WNYC broadcasts for the day of 9/11 (Sept. 11, 2001)

25. "WTF with Marc Maron" (Guest: Robin Williams) (April 26, 2010)

https://consequence.net/2022/04/wu-tang-clan-a-tribe-called-quest-library-of-congress-national-registry/

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 10:51am


Which 2022 nominees do you think will be on the 2023 ballot if they don't get in this year?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 11:09am


The ones who might return next year would be:

Devo
Eurythmics
New York Dolls
Carly Simon

If Judas Priest gets inducted then Iron Maiden will take their spot, I think Mary J. Blige would also be returning. We also would have newly eligible acts like Missy Elliott appearing on the ballot. 90's bands like Smashing Pumpkins & Alice in Chains might be a part of it too.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 12:07pm


Richie

I think eurythmics, beck, and Carly, assuming that burner is bs. If she doesn't get in this year and her rock album is out, dolly too.

Betting Soundgarden, j geils band, iron maiden, and Chaka return to the ballot too.

First year nominees missy elliot and destiny's child are joined by bryan adams, Billy idol, serge Gainsbourg, suzi quatro, new order/joy division, and wu tang clan.

Note: Gainsbourg and quatro are the message senders to early influence

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 12:20pm


Richie,

Most likely from this year:
Devo
New York Dolls
Eurythmics
Carly Simon
Beck

From other years:
Soundgarden
Mary J Blige

Newly eligible:
Missy Elliott

Newcomers:
OutKast
Smashing Pumpkins

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 12:51pm


So I have done some research. For the past 10 years on a even number year we get 4 newbies and 2 previously nominated. So far I feel these 4 are safe:

Eminem (New)
Duran Duran (New)
Pat Benatar (Previous)
A Tribe Called Quest (New)

We have two conflicting accounts
On who will take the last two slots. One newbie and the other previous.

Here's our options:

Lionel Richie (New, Burner Account says he is number 3, but Tracker says he is tied for last)
Dolly Parton (New, Burner Account and Tracker see her as safe enough)
Judas Priest (Previous, Burner says they are fighting Tribe in 6th and they are in 7th from the tracker)
RATM (Previous, High enough to almost get out of the chopping board from BA and tracker has them in 8th)

So Yeah, thoughts?

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 13:25pm


Plebeian

Yea the Richie difference is off but I think it's explained easily. Most of the ballots known so far are critics and media people with 2 industry people being Skylar Grey, who only vote for Em, and a concert promoter, who picked Richie. Could be a lot of industry execs, radio programmers, and promoters picking him regularly along with Richie's golf buddy musicians.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 14:32pm


Excited to see we are just a few weeks away from the announcement. I am anxious to see who actually gets in.

One thing to remember about the new ballot tracker: It is a very small percentage of actual voters. Be careful how much faith you put into those numbers.

I have followed the Baseball Hall of Fame for many years and always follow the baseball tracker. That tracker only gets about 60% or so of the actual ballots, and the results are often skewed as a result. We are seeing only a small handful for the Rock Hall.

Also, for the baseball tracker the majority of the public votes come from younger and more tech savvy voters. They tend to skew those results in a certain direction. I think that explains the success of A Tribe Called Quest. Voters willing to share their ballots are more likely to choose ATCQ than MC5, for example. Something to keep in mind.

I put no faith into the burner account, but I have to admit many of the totals make sense. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

These are my current thoughts. Please note I am not cutting and pasting anything from my previous posts.

I believe Eminem and Duran Duran are the two certainties. I felt that they, along with Dolly, were the three locks when the ballot first came out. I am still confident in these two.

I think the group of Pat Benatar, Dolly Parton and Lionel Richie each have a great shot. I would expect at least two out of the three make it in. Again, looking at the burner account these are all at the top as well. I think Dolly would have been a guarantee if she hadn't made her statement. Still think she might get in.

I think four other acts have a decent chance. They include Judas Priest, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and ATCQ. I would not be surprised if any of these make it.

Kate Bush and RATM have a slim outside chance but I am not expecting them to make it. The rest (Beck, Warwick, MC5, Devo and Fela) don't have much of a shot, in my opinion.

Hoping we have at least 6 inductees, if not 7.

So to summarize

Near Guarantee: Duran Duran and Eminem

Very Likely: Pat Benatar, Dolly Parton and Lionel Richie

Decent Chance: ATCQ, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Carly Simon

Outside Spoiler Chance: Kate Bush and RATM

Very Unlikely: Beck, Devo, Fela, MC5 and Dionne Warwick

I'll post my final predictions later. Still not certain, to be honest.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 14:54pm


Plebeian,

Here's the current vote totals in the tracker so far and they are:

At 57.14% of the vote and on 8 ballots are Duran Duran, Eminem and A Tribe Called Quest.
At 42.86% of the vote and on 6 ballots is Pat Benatar.
At 35.71% of the vote and on 5 ballots are Judas Priest and Dolly Parton.
At 28.57% of the vote and on 4 ballots are Fela Kuti and Rage Against The Machine.
At 21.43% of the vote and on 3 ballots are Devo, Eurythmics, New York Dolls and Dionne Warwick.
At 14.29% of the vote and on 2 ballots are Kate Bush and MC5.
At 7.14% of the vote and on 1 ballot are Lionel Richie and Carly Simon.
At 0.00% of the vote and on zero ballots so far is Beck.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 15:00pm


remy10,

Here are my predictions for the 2022 inductees:

FINAL PREDICTION

Inductees (7):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
Fela Kuti
Dionne Warwick

Musical Excellence:

Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 16:38pm


So dionne, dolly, duran duran, devo, and now judas priest have all made some variant of "i don't get it" with regards to the rock hall.

I seriously think next year will be more conservative than the last 3 or 4 with the nominees at least

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/richie_faulkner_says_he_doesnt_know_how_much_credibility_rrhof_has_at_the_moment_says_new_album_will_be_done_when_its_done.html

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/13/2022 @ 19:16pm


Mat R,

Wait what did Duran Duran say about their nomination, I've only heard so far that they were gracious about the whole thing? Am I missing something?

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 00:08am


Jordan Einstein

They kind of played the genre line, said they don't know if they fit "rock" but tired to reinforce that they do in fact rock to some extent and therefore are justified.

Spin: It seems there have been more '80s bands getting consideration the last few years, even though they've been eligible for a while. Eurythmics are also nominated this year, so it's interesting to see your generation get that recognition.

Roger Taylor: I think Depeche Mode got in there fairly recently, so when they got in there, we thought it was a possibility. But you never really know, do you? Because I guess Duran Duran's not really a rock'n'roll… We've got a bit of rock'n'roll in us, but I wouldn't say we were a down-the-line rock'n'roll band. I know it's a very wide array of people that get in there, but we're as rock'n'roll as I guess Dolly Parton. But always used real guitars, and the gigs were always a big part of our story. When a lot of the early '80s bands were just going completely electronic, we still kinda held on to that band thing.

===

basically 1/3 of the 2022 nominees have questioned their own credentials (dolly, dionne), been kind of unsure what the hall stands for (duran duran, devo), or questioned the hall's cred (priest). the hall might need focusing

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 00:38am


I need to make a correction. I did say that I know almost no tunes from certain nominees this year. Those by the way are Fela Kuti, Beck and Eminem. But what I meant to say is Unlike Garrus I will just Detail my predictions for INDUCTEES of 2022. I detailed my predictions for the Performers of 2022. To continue At a later moment I plan to detail the Special Categories. Here I re state my Special Category picks

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
Rakim
Johnny Winter

Early Influence:
John Coltrane
Dionne Warwick
5th Dimension

I am holding steady with these. I would love to discuss these further. The 60s is alive and well. I would have chosen Big Mama Thornton or perhaps a fav of my dear old Dad of the 1940s and 50s. He grew up in that era. I will stay with my picks. It should be noted that John Coltrane dates back to the early 1950s. Key Albums such as Blue Train date back to 1958. I love a a good amount of Jazz. Ok Let's discuss!

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 03:10am


Mat R,

Yeah I figured that but it didn't even hurt their possible chances for induction unlike Dolly Parton so either way they're pretty much safe.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 09:20am


Did you guys hear that Mary J. Blige (who was nominated last year for the 2021 class) is going to be receiving the 2022 Billboard Icon Award at the Billboard Music Awards on May 15?. I am wondering because do you guys think that Mary J. Blige's Billboard Icon Award this year might help her to get her back on the ballot next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 10:25am


Jordan Einstein

Oh yea this year's class will be fine but i can definitely see this many public statements from the nominees themselves shaping how they pick the 2023 nominees.

Richie

I'd like to see her nominated again but 2023 is the year both missy Elliot and Beyonce (with destiny's child) can enter the hall. I think that combo is gonna be too high profile and desirable for the hall to ignore. Like even if destiny's child seems like a long shot i think the nomcom will want to introduce the idea of them going in in addition to Beyonce solo.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 12:22pm


Mat R,

As much as I love Destiny's Child, I just don't see them getting nominated next year as an FYE (let alone being inducted as an FYE), If they do get nominated/inducted next year FYE, It will be because of Beyonce and Beyonce alone, rather than their career. Beyonce should and will go in as an FYE on her own when she becomes eligible in 2029. but I just don't see Destiny's Child being nominated/inducted FYE next year, I do think that they'll get in eventually in 10-15 years from now, but not next year as an FYE.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 13:00pm


Richie

I do agree they might not get in next year and it would mostly be seen as a celebration of Beyonce (i don't think most of destiny's child would tbh) but i think you miss a bunch of big things:

1) writings on the wall is one of the most celebrated and influential rnb albums of the 90s

2) people love kelly as a person and she's quite successful as a singer

3) this year's class has 5 women nominated and destiny's child would get 5 women nominated. You like bigging up the push for women well here's 5 women of colour with a rock hall cv and a global megastar in their group

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 13:39pm


Sorry 6 not 5 this year

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 13:48pm


Richie (sorry for 3 in a row)

Also worth noting dave grohl is a 2 time fyi with a similar set up (1 act widely celebrated, the other less so). I don't think Beyoncé being a 2 time fyi is that odd given her profile and how vital her music has been to the 21st century, I'd argue destiny's child is more important than the foo fighters, and that profile is the result of two very career acrs: arc 1 being destiny's child and acr 2 solo

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 14:59pm


Mat R,

I think TLC is more deserving as the 90s R&B girl group representative than Destiny's Child, Beyoncé or not. I also seriously doubt DC will be considered when we have Qotsa, Missy Elliott, and others that have bigger credits than them. Foos is by far the weakest 90s act in the Hall, but their hardworking ethic is not bad. Being relevant in the modern and classic rock scene is also respectable. Despite not being a critical favorite, they are still at a respectable #196 on Acclaimed Music compared to DC's #588.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 15:16pm


Plebeian

I agree tlc are more deserving but the hall often doesn't care and would note foo fighters and qotsa don't have albums on the rolling stone 500 while destiny's child does.

The acclaimed music useage is greatly flawed largely because a lot of what it's made up of is list made prior to poptimism's take over of music criticism in the mid to late 2000s (aka when pitchfork went from calling remain in light the best album of the 80s to calling purple rain the acme of the era). It's an tool but it's a flawed one.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 15:25pm


Here's the current vote totals in the public ballot tracker so far and they are:

At 53.33% of the vote and on 8 ballots are Duran Duran, Eminem and A Tribe Called Quest.
At 46.67% of the vote and on 7 ballots is Pat Benatar.
At 33.33% of the vote and on 5 ballots are Judas Priest and Dolly Parton.
At 26.67% of the vote and on 4 ballots are Eurythmics, Fela Kuti, Rage Against The Machine and Dionne Warwick.
At 20.00% of the vote and on 3 ballots are Kate Bush, Devo and New York Dolls.
At 13.33% of the vote and on 2 ballots are MC5 and Carly Simon.
At 6.67% of the vote and on 1 ballot is Lionel Richie.
At 0.00% of the vote and on zero ballots so far is Beck.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 16:18pm


I don't see any of next year's newly eligibles getting nominated. None of them scream fyn to me. Speaking of Destiny's Child do you think they would include Le Toya Luckett and LaTavia Roberson along Beyonce, Kelly and Michelle. Le Toya and LaTavia sang on the first two albums.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 16:19pm


Greg F,

I agree 2023 does not have one that screams THEY need to get in NOW. Queens of the Stone Age is more way down the line and Missy Elliott being the first female rapper in when Salt-N-Pepa are not feels wrong. Destiny's Child could scoot by with Beyoncé love, but I doubt it. 2023 is a breather year to play catch-up without worrying.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 16:29pm


Greg f

I think they'd induct le toya and lativia. They both were on writing on the wall and, let's ve real, the hall would want to get as many women as they can in. Unless Beyonce demands they not go in, they go in.

Also i think missy is likely for 2023. I don't think she'll get in but i think a nomination is pretty likely for her. I also think destiny's child has a 60/40 chance of getting nominated. I think qotsa and muse are eligible but both of them are gonna wait.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 16:37pm


From what I heard over the years they're on good terms. When asked LaTavia and Le Toya have said they're on good terms with Beyonce and Kelly. They left due to disagreements with management.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 17:25pm


The fake burner account would have been more believable if he had Beck dead last in the vote. Hes still going strong with 0 votes of the 15 public ballots shown!

Posted by jay f k on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 18:10pm


Who do you think will be the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/14/2022 @ 23:13pm


First off, since we get reminded all too often that there are more important things than a music shrine, I did want to say this:

Richie, you have my empathy regarding your mother. I won't say I know how you feel--I cannot possibly know--but, because my own mother is having her own health issues, I may know the feeling. I will be thinking of you and your family.

Having said that, my last prediction was met with some approval, and some discussion; I didn't take the opportunity to address it until now. So here is my final prediction, or SWAG (again, Scientific, Wild-A$$ed Guess) for the 2022 R&R HoF, until the next one.

Most of us seem to have Duran Duran and Eminem as locks. I agree.

Pat Benatar (and Neil Giraldo) seems to be almost as much of a lock, particularly with the increased push to induct more females than there was in 2020. I think she has a much better chance now.

I think Dolly Parton's request to not be considered came too late; I would imagine at least two-thirds of those that intended to vote had already done so by then, and of the rest, I would imagine that there are those--particularly those, again, wanting more women--who will vote for her anyway. If I am right and she is inducted, I'm sure she will graciously accept it, and perhaps perform as well.

I'm sticking by my guns for predicting Carly Simon. (Perhaps this is more wishful thinking than actual intuition; I admit she is my favorite among the current nominees.) Again, with the emphasis on women, particularly singer-songwriters, she has a better-than-even shot IMHO.

I'm also sticking by my guns with Rage Against the Machine. Tom Morello has appeared onstage for several inductions, which seems to signify future induction--it worked for Joan Jett and the Blackhearts and for the Foo Fighters. My theory may or may not hold water, but I still like RATM's chances.

Among my prior predictions, that leaves the Eurythmics. I have the distinct feeling that Duran Duran will steal some of their thunder, despite the prospect of another female-fronted band. I would put this one at about 50-50.

I would put Dionne Warwick at about the same level. Her induction really depends on whether her contemporaries--the surviving members of the Four Tops, the Temptations, the Jacksons, the Supremes, Gladys Knight and the Pips, etc.--actually vote, and whether those who vowed to induct more women (most notably Janet Jackson) actually do, and see beyond Carly Simon, Dolly Parton, the Eurythmics and Kate Bush. She may have an outside chance.

I wouldn't put Judas Priest as high as 50-50, yet. They failed to make it twice before, but they may have a better shot now, with a few more rock acts--Foo Fighters among them--that probably saw them as an inspiration. They may not make it in 2022, but they probably will eventually, and open the door for Iron Maiden and Motley Crue, among others.

I wouldn't put Lionel Richie at 50-50 either. Like several of you, I think he would have a better chance (justifiably) had the nomination been for the Commodores. That group actually put out some decent music--distinctive (albeit with the obvious help of Lionel's vocals) from the disco that was all over the radio at the time. Lionel's solo work, though popular, wasn't much different from everything else on 1980s radio. (The same could be said for the Supremes and Diana Ross's solo work.)

Last year, the Early Influence category was apparently expanded to include the early influences on particular genres of Rock and Roll; that's apparently how Kraftwerk got in. That rule bend is probably the only open door for Fela Kuti and the MC5. (Except, perhaps, for the Musical Excellence category.)

I don't think any of the others have much of a chance. They are either not mainstream enough to have a household name (A Tribe Called Quest, the New York Dolls, Beck), were popular in other countries but not really in the United States (Kate Bush), or unfairly seen as a one-hit wonder (Devo).

So, on with my combined prediction and wish list:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

If six add, Rage Against the Machine or the Eurythmics.
If seven, either Dionne Warwick or Judas Priest, if both of the earlier two don't make the cut.

Early Influence--maybe:
Fela Kuti and/or the MC5.

Musical Excellence:
Boz Scaggs
Bruce Hornsby
Ronnie James Dio

Non-performers:
Michael Lang (late Woodstock organizer)
Annie Liebovitz (photographer)

Posted by Joe S. on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 02:02am


Joe S.,

When Dolly made her announcement on March 14, two-thirds of the ballots had already been mailed out to the voters.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 08:30am


Gonna be kind of blunt here but legit why do you guys think commodores have a better shot than richie when the hall couldn't induct chic, war, rufus, and the meters with between 3 to 11 nominations each but Whitney houston and Hall and Oats got in on their first tries?

Commodores were pretty legit a b-list band in their space

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 09:27am


Mat R,

https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/1515005808429387784

Big vote return. About 60% in. Signatures need to be confirmed and such. #RockHall2022

Based 680 unverified votes

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Pat Benatar
4. Lionel Richie
5. Dolly Parton
6. A Tribe Called Quest (they might overtake Dolly soon)
----my guess at the cut off----
7. Judas Priest (hanging in there, could be an at the wire push depending on fan vote -yes it's one vote but voters do watch it)
8. Rage Against The Machine and Eurythmics (tight race - Eurythmics seems to have growing support)
9. Dionne Warwick
10. Kate Bush
11. Carly Simon (slow build)
12. Fela Kuti
13. Devo
14. Beck
15. MC5
16. New York Dolls

Worth noting voting is tight between 6 and 13 only like 45 mentions. I'd would guess anyone in that range is viable at the moment (Devo is hanging in there yay).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 12:44pm


Check out my predictions & tell me what you think.

https://navonterobertson.blogspot.com/2022/04/heres-my-predictions-on-who-will-be.html

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 15:42pm


Mat R,

I'll bite on the Commodores question.

I would argue that despite Lionel having a marked amount of success with his post-Commodores work, his best songs were all with the Commodores and one would have to wonder whether the remaining members of the Commodores have something to do with that. Now, of course "best" is a subjective, as is all our judgment and speculation here, but I personally find some of Lionel's post-Commodores work to be almost cringeworthy and reflective of someone who has a lot of talent but was coasting on past glories: I would include "Endless Love", "Hello",
"My Love", "You Are", "Truly", "Penny Lover" and "We Are the World" among the sappy output he had. All songs I would switch the station on the radio if I heard them. Whereas, "Still", "Sail On", "Easy", "Just To Be Close to You" I wouldn't, and "Brick House", which Lionel is listed first in the songwriting credits, is a classic that I would gladly jam along to anytime and never switch the station.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 15:54pm


Navonte Robertson and Jordan Einstein are the same person I guess?




Who I think will be inducted:

Eminem - He'll be 100% guarantee & lock for induction by November 2022. He's too popular & influential to be passed over for the honor especially in his FYE.

Duran Duran - There's a lot of hype about them in recent years & with their latest release of Future Past & their performance at ACL. I think it's safe to say that with the Go Go's induction last year, this year will be DD's year & might headline the ceremony in November along with Eminem.

Dolly Parton - Sure her decline of the nomination is pretty much hurting her chances of possible induction this year but she's doing very well in the overall voting & given the fact that there's not a lot of country acts in there the Hall would put her in despite her wishes anyway.

Rage Against the Machine - Well it's their 4th nomination & I'm predicting that this will be their final shot since they were past over for induction 3 times before & there has been a number of 90's bands that were inducted in the last few years. Also given the fact that the ceremony is in their hometown of L.A & their tour is this year, let them have their induction this time so we can move on to other acts of the 90's decade who are still waiting for consideration: Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins etc.

Pat Benatar: A lot of people were shocked when Benatar didn't get inducted in 2020 & didn't make a return last year but this year might be different since she's also doing well in the votes & now that Tina Turner is finally inducted she might have a clear shot for this year.

A Tribe Called Quest: Now another rap act up for induction this year, heck maybe we can have 2 rappers being inducted at the same time & the Hall did that with Jay - Z & LL Cool J last year (even though they put the latter in the different category) so yeah ATCQ are also doing well in the voting so yeah let this be their year.



Wild Card:

Judas Priest - Now the Metal genre has been completely ignored by the voting committee for a long time & it's their 3rd nomination this year, also the institution knows that they can't keep passing the genre over & over again & this time may be different. With the ballot being less classic rock & somewhat if they go with 7 performers then Judas Priest would be the one.



The Rest:

Beck - I personally never thought that Beck would be nominated so soon especially this year & now that he's nominated, his chances for induction are not an all time high plus because there are other 90's acts still waiting for their call I would say that he might wait for another few more years to finally get it.

Kate Bush - Very deserving of induction & she checks everything needed for it (well expect for commercial success maybe), but because the Hall is so US centric & normally inducts UK acts that have popularity over here, the only way I would see her getting in is by putting her into the non - voting categories like "Award for Musical Excellence" so that she could have a chance without being nominated.

Devo - I actually thought that these rockers from Akron, OH would be nominated for 3rd time whenever the ceremony comes back to Cleveland but I was off by that because it's their third one this year & due to the fact that they were nominated alongside Duran Duran (in which they have the most chances so far), I don't see that happening for them this year. The Hall would pretty much eventually put them in AME like Bush above.

Eurythmics - They're back on the ballot again & this time there's a 50/50 for their inclusion mostly because they were nominated alongside DD & there hasn't been any hype about them for a long while so they might be returning one more time in the near future.

Fela Kuti - The most "obscure" act to be nominated, he had influence over honorees like Talking Heads & Peter Gabriel, he was nominated last year & came strong at 2nd place in the Fan Vote but he didn't get in & for this year his chances are at an all time low just like Beck & the only way is the AME or Early Influence.

MC5 - Well at this point, I think this iconic band had pretty much exhausted their chances & this year would be no different. Heck come to think of it, they're likely going to be following Kraftwerk in Early Influence because the Hall is definitely moving on from the 60's & the 70's would end soon. That could be said for other artists of those decades.

New York Dolls - Unlike MC5, they haven't exhausted their nominations but might be following them & Kraftwerk in Early Influence, however maybe they should have one more shot to be inducted as performers since the ceremony would be returning in NYC next year I think.

Lionel Richie - He inducted Clarence Avant last year & this is his first nomination & with that said, I would rather see him getting inducted with The Commodores not on his own because it's going to leave out a huge part of the story.

Carly Simon - I actually never thought about her consideration & with that said, I don't think she has a big chance this year. Carole King got inducted last year but that's not an guarantee plus it took King & other 70's singer - songwriters two tries to get in so it could be the same case for Simon.

Dionne Warwick - As i said before, the 60's are done for nominations so Warwick would eventually be in one of the non - voting categories so the Hall could move on nominating & inducting the 80's, 90's & pretty much soon 00's.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 04/3/2022 @ 18:33pm

Posted by J Humphrey on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 16:31pm


Eric Tompkins

Ok but how do Commodores get the votes when Chic, War, The Meters, and Rufus with Chaka failed to and Kool and the Gang, The Ohio Players, Rick James, and Herbie Hancock haven't even been nominated? Like "Brickhouse" is dope but it ain't "Why Can't We Be Friends?" or "Le Freak" and Commodores don't have a Headhunters or Rejuvenation. In short, Commodores are like the 12th best funk act not in the Hall and funk is not really a genre the Hall goes for (Chic, War, The Meters, and Rufus with Chaka + Chaka solo ahve what like 25 nominations between them and not one is in?).

Meanwhile, Lionel is considered the king of adult pop or easy listening or adult contemporary and that genre has in recent years seen Whitney Houston, Journey, and Hall and Oates just like walk in on their first nominations. People are talking about George Michael, Sheryl Crow, and Mariah Carey as serious contenders. It seems like that door is open a lot wider than funk atm.

So again why is Commodores the more likely avenue for Richie than is solo work to get in?

Posted by mat r on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 17:03pm


J Humphrey,

Yeah he took my statements from me & put those in his blog. Sorry for the confusion.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 17:21pm


So you're the same person, right? If not, are you saying he plagiarized you?

Posted by J Humphrey on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 17:37pm


As of now, the current leaders of the ballot tracker are two Hip Hop acts with 10 votes.

Really couldn't believe that this year's ballot has brought in a lot of support for Hip Hop.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 18:18pm


J Humphrey,

Yeah he did. He should know better.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 18:27pm


Mat R,

To me, I suppose I've approached this less as who can "get the votes" but more who deserves to get in. I don't think Lionel Richie will get the votes to get inducted this year. It may well be that the Commodores too won't be able to get the votes either if they were nominated as a group. And I agree that there are many 70's R & B acts who are perhaps more deserving to enter the Rock Hall than the Commodores. My personal feeling is that the Commodores are deserving to enter the Rock Hall, and I don't really feel the same way about Richie based on a personal distaste of a number of his sappy solo numbers. But, all the same he's a very talented guy and I think his best days/music were with the Commodores. I think I'm not alone in those thoughts, but who knows?

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 20:08pm


So with the latest Who Cares here are the standings

1. Eminem and A Tribe Called Quest with 10 votes
2. Duran Duran with 9
3. Pat Benatar, Dionne Warwick, and Fela Kuti with 8
4. Eurythmics, Judas Priest, and Dolly Parton with 6
6. Devo and New York Dolls with 5
7. Kate Bush, Rage Against the Machine, and MC5 with 4
8. Carly Simon with 2
9. Lionel Richie with 1
10. Beck with 0

So this is about 2% of the overall vote and mostly represent press and media (there have only been 4 industry votes to 15 press and media votes so far, also fan ballot). Interestingly, A Tribe Called Quest have the most votes from voters as Eminem has the fan ballot and Eminem seems to have the most broad support so far.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 04/15/2022 @ 21:52pm


I highly doubt he ever voted, but Art Rupe is gone, so it's time for an update.

So far eight Inductees (Grahame Edge, Norman Thrasher, Calvin Simon, Ronnie Spector, Don Wilson, Sam Lay, Taylor Hawkins, and Art Rupe) have died since the ceremony.

Living Members of Each Class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 1/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 22/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 28/70 (Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 19/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 04/16/2022 @ 01:25am


Follower,
I just want to say that I decided to focus on Reading your Living and Dead Members list. It's cool and useful.

First a correction to point- I am a big Fleetwood Mac fan. You mis spelled a couple names. It's Christine McVIE and John McVIE. I do know that they are still alive.

And thoughts on some.
2000: I was not aware that Steve Boone and Joe Butler of Lovin Spoonful were alive.
2004: I was Not aware that Verne Allison and Mickey McGill of the Dells were alive.
2009: Also I was Not aware that Anthony Gourdine who is lead singer Little Anthony is alive along with 2 other members. That's kind of amazing. I believe Little Anthony and Imperials started their success around 1958. It's before my time and zones of knowledge. I would figure that Little Anthony is very old Now.
2012: I know that Donovan is alive but he must be rather old Now in 2022. I think Donovan is about 75 years old Now. My favs of his are Mellow Yellow, Sunshine Superman and Season of the Witch, Those are 1966. He was very young when he graced us with those but it is now 2022.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/16/2022 @ 04:03am


Hey Guys,

My Mom was officially diagnosed with lung cancer that has metastasized to her lymph nodes in her neck called Adenocarcinoma on Thursday night, but other than that, She's doing awesome despite her diagnosis, She's not losing weight and She gained back the weight she lost when she had Omicron (She's at 93.4 pounds in terms of her weight, She briefly got back down to 91.4 pounds when she had Covid, but she has since got back up to 93.4 pounds), She's got a great appetite and most importantly, Her breathing is still awesome and her Oxygen level is at 97%, so she's doing pretty damn good despite her diagnosis, Her immune system is trying to fight it off as well, She gets tired easy now but that's because she's on Ativan 24/7, She's got no symptoms of lung cancer itself, but she's got symptoms of Lymphoma like an itchy face but that's because of the lung cancer that has metastasized to her lymph nodes in her neck, Adenocarcinoma is the most common form of lung cancer, About 40 percent of all lung cancers are adenocarcinomas, Adenocarcinomas are associated with tobacco use and radiation therapy, but they are also the most common form of cancer in people who have never smoked cigarettes before especially in women who have never smoked, Adenocarcinoma is a type of Non-small-cell lung cancer, It usually begins in the outer edges of the lungs and the lining of the bronchi (airway passages into the lungs), It is different from other types of lung carcinomas, which are more centrally located in the lungs, Adenocarcinoma is a type of cancer that starts is mucus-producing glandular cells of your body. Many organs have glands and adenocarcinoma can occur in any of these organs. Common types include breast cancer, colorectal cancer, lung cancer, pancreatic cancer and prostate cancer. Adenocarcinoma grows more slowly than other types of lung cancer and forms smaller masses, but it can also metastasize in it's early stages. So all in all, She's doing great despite her diagnosis.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/16/2022 @ 12:10pm


Richie, I'm sorry about your mother, but this is not the place to post such things.

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 04/16/2022 @ 13:35pm


Mat R,

https:/twitter.com/Rockhallburner1

From April 7:

https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/15122087977979121670

#Rockhall2022 standings currently from about 1/4 of the vote

Based 281 votes

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Lionel Richie
4. Dolly Parton (her votes have slowed but still getting them)
5. Pat Benatar
6. A Tribe Called Quest (a lot of critical support I'm told not much else atm)
----my guess at the cut off----
7. Judas Priest
8. Fela Kuti (buddy thinks it's guilt over last year driving it)
9. Dionne Warwick
10. Beck
11. Kate Bush (been doing a lot better post Dolly. My guess is memes. She might crack top 10)
12. Rage Against The Machine (I think people are tired of them)
13. Devo
14. Eurythmics (Started strong but slowed down a lot)
15. Carly Simon (Biggest shocker so far. No idea why)
16. MC5
17. New York Dolls (feel bad for them and MC5 but I think people are just tired from who I've talked to)

From April 11:

https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/1513696900876226561

Update #RockHall2022

Based 364 votes

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Lionel Richie
4. Pat Benatar
5. Dolly Parton
6. A Tribe Called Quest and Judas Priest (4 vote difference)
----my guess at the cut off----
7. Fela Kuti and Dionne Warwick (also super close)
8. Rage Against The Machine
9. Eurythmics (another wave hit)
10. Kate Bush
11. Beck
12. Devo
13. Carly Simon
14. MC5
15. New York Dolls

and from yesterday:

https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/15150058084299387784

Big vote return. About 60% in. Signatures need to be confirmed and such. #RockHall2022

Based 680 unverified votes

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Pat Benatar
4. Lionel Richie
5. Dolly Parton
6. A Tribe Called Quest (they might overtake Dolly soon)
----my guess at the cut off----
7. Judas Priest (hanging in there, could be an at the wire push depending on fan vote -yes it's one vote but voters do watch it)
8. Rage Against The Machine and Eurythmics (tight race - Eurythmics seems to have growing support)
9. Dionne Warwick
10. Kate Bush
11. Carly Simon (slow build)
12. Fela Kuti
13. Devo
14. Beck
15. MC5
16. New York Dolls

Worth noting voting is tight between 6 and 13 only like 45 mentions. I'd would guess anyone in that range is viable at the moment (Devo is hanging in there yay).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/16/2022 @ 14:52pm


If the burner is right, I hope the Hall will listen to Dolly and induct Priest.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 04/16/2022 @ 15:49pm


Hope Rage can get the boost to push Lionel out! Not that Lionel is deserving.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 04/16/2022 @ 15:53pm


If that burner account is right, I really hope that A Tribe Called Quest, Judas Priest, Rage Against The Machine, Eurythmics, Dionne Warwick, Kate Bush and Carly Simon can get the boost to push both Lionel and Dolly out! Not that they're deserving, but Dolly has bowed out of the race this year and I really hope the Hall listens to her and not induct her this year (Even though she's absolutely deserving of induction) and Lionel, well, I just don't think that he's deserving of an induction on his own, with The Commodores, Yes, Absolutely, but not on his own, If he gets in, it will be because of name recognition and star power and nothing else. So I really hope that A Tribe Called Quest, Judas Priest, Rage Against The Machine, Eurythmics, Dionne Warwick, Kate Bush and Carly Simon can get the boost to push both Lionel and Dolly out.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/16/2022 @ 16:41pm


I'm still skeptical about that account but I could see why our friend Richie posts about it.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 04/16/2022 @ 16:44pm


A Tribe Called Quest now leads the ballot tracker with 11.

Could it be happening? I really don't want to get my hopes up.

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 04/16/2022 @ 20:51pm


It's too bad only two predictors have made predictions. The other 11 need to do it too.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 04/17/2022 @ 04:04am


Today is April 17, 2022. It's good to see that Philip has finally given his preliminary opinion of the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog." Thank you, Philip.

With only 12 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.'

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. The Rock Hall appears to love the Eurythmics also. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I'Ve Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/17/2022 @ 04:13am


You know what Enig, I see 5 of your picks for induction this year which is Duran Duran, Pat Benatar, Judas Priest Lionel Richie & Carly Simon . Also if they go 7 then it's Rage Against the Machine. It is true that the Hall couldn't keep inducting acts from the 60's & 70's & they're moving forward with the 80's & 90's also 00's. As a person essentially of that era of the 1960s and 70s I would love another class like 2018 which included the mighty Moody Blues. That may not happen again. You do reflect the 80s well this year with Duran Duran, Pat Benatar, Judas Priest and Lionel Richie. I do Not know 90s acts nearly as well myself. I am predicting 7. I predict Rage Against the Machine. I have actually known them rather well. And based only on Reading I include Eminem. I have yet to hear any tunes of Eminem.
So do not confuse my Eminem pick for longtime knowledge. Your picks for 2022 I know very well.
I like Carly Simon a bit. It is my fiancee's favorite artist of all time. I like You're So Vain and most of the others you say. I also like Haven't Got Time for the Pain.
Lionel Richie has all those honors he received. Just for the record I don't care about Grammys. Those have not been so credible for decades. But the Kennedy Center honors and Gershwin Prize are incredible awards
I am also fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/17/2022 @ 08:11am


Revamping my Magnificent Seven as I find it outdated now:

1. Eminem
2. Smashing Pumpkins
3. The Smiths
4. Joy Division/New Order
5. Rage Against The Machine
6. Iron Maiden
7. Soundgarden

Eminem is getting in, so once he is official announced I will put New York Dolls

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 04/17/2022 @ 08:42am


If that burner account is right, I think that Eminem, Duran Duran and Pat Benatar are locks to get in this year now, Also, I really hope that A Tribe Called Quest, Judas Priest, Rage Against The Machine, Eurythmics, Dionne Warwick, Kate Bush and Carly Simon all can get the boost to push Lionel and Dolly out! Not that they're deserving, but Dolly has bowed out of the race this year and I really hope that the Hall listens to her and not induct her this year (Even though she's absolutely deserving of induction) and Lionel, well, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy on his own, With The Commodores, Yes, Absolutely, but not on his own. If he gets in, it will be because of name recognition and star power and nothing else. So for that reason, I really hope that A Tribe Called Quest, Judas Priest, Rage Against The Machine, Eurythmics, Dionne Warwick, Kate Bush and Carly Simon all can get the boost to push Lionel and Dolly out.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/17/2022 @ 09:59am


Enig,
Today is April 18, 2022. Yes indeed It's good to see that Philip has finally given his preliminary opinion of the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog." I read Philip's Blog. It's good he did this now. I have seen his blog before.
I remember chatting with him on this forum. We discussed some 60s artists I recall.
Now there is only 11 days until the fan vote poll is closed. I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class are some of the best during this newer decade. Here are my 7 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

I DO NOT think that Dolly Parton will be the seventh, I think there is a good chance they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; But I think that Dionne Warwick be a great choice for EARLY Influence. I also have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents knew some songs of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. I can picture how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!
There are some more thoughts. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 04:09am


ritchie,

Good to hear your mother is fighting hard and gaining weight, etc. Best wishes to her & you!

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 06:47am


This is my predictions once more:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
Fela Kuti
Dionne Warwick

Musical Excellence:

Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 09:17am


Richie

Are you just leaving the nonsensical dr. Dre musical excellence pick in there to troll cause it make zero sense and would go over beyond poorly for all involved

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 13:30pm


PERFORMERS
A Tribe Called Quest- rap act
Eminem- rap act, major artist
Lionel Richie- diamond seller
Fela Kuti- adds variety
Rage Against the Machine- rap act
New York Dolls- glam rock, classic rock(?)
Carly Simon- songwriter

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
The Big Bopper- completes the Day the Music Died
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats- first rock song, includes his backing group
Chubby Checker- to get it over with

EARLY INFLUENCE
Big Mama Thornton- the woman who did Hound Dog
Big Maybelle- the woman who did Whole Lotta Shakin Goin On
Scott Joplin- the man who started it all by popularizing ragtime

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan- his show introduced many phenomenal artists, including the Beatles

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 13:43pm


Mat R,

I'm keeping Dr. Dre in my predictions for Musical Excellence this year because I feel he best definites that category, If LL Cool J can get in through that category last year, then Dr. Dre should and will get in through that category this year.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 13:45pm


Richie

Yea but dre is 1000000000xbigger and more important than ll and already an inductee.

You might as well.suggest paul mccartney should have gone in this way (sideman as it was called back then) than as a performer

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 14:14pm


Final predictions

Performer Category:
Eminem - FYE inductee.
Duran Duran - New Wave pick & leading figure of MTV generation. Also the Hall is trying to induct the acts from it's era.
Pat Benatar - A make up for her 2020 snub.
Judas Priest - Whenever the Hall stops ignoring Metal.
Dolly Parton - Letting more country acts in there despite her rejection.
A Tribe Called Quest - Another rap act since last year involved two rappers & they're also from the 90's.

Early Influence:
MC5 - Getting through the "Kraftwerk" route.
New York Dolls - Another one getting through that route.

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan - Preventing her from getting another nomination.
Thin Lizzy - So the Hall could move on from the 70's in the next few years.

AEA:
Sylvia Robinson - Inducting more women through the side categories.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 14:37pm


Jordan Einstein,

I agree with all of your predictions in the Performer category except Dolly, I just don't see her being inducted this year now, I think that if she gets in this year, It will be either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence, rather than as a Performer. I think that her announcement about her bowing out of the race this year has really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, The Hall doesn't want a potential inductee to not show up and perform at the ceremony. So inducting her as a Performer against her will would be a slap in the face. I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 15:17pm


Since we're messing

Performer
Em
Duran duran
Pat Benatar
A tribe called quest
Dionne Warwick
Fela Kuti - i think there is very real desire to get him in, i think he was close last year, and i think he means something

Early influence
Mc5
Loretta lynn - i think they wanted dolly to get a country act in and in her place they'll use loretta and count on a jack white induction
Big Mama Thornton

Award for Musical Excellence
Rakim
Ronnie James Dio - no priest dio gets it

Non-Perfomer
Sylvia Robinson

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 16:17pm


Mat R,

I think that Fela Kuti gets in this year, It will be either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence, rather than as a Performer. I'm predicting him to get in as an Early Influence this year.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 16:47pm


Richie

I can see that happening but after listening to the who cares podcast and hearing 4 people pick him and explain why i think There is a decent chance voters know him better now and that base he had last year has grown.

He's a wild card and, like tribe, everyone slept on him cause of the fan vote and genre.

You might be right but I'm betting on a double underdog story here atm

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 17:08pm


Mat R,

https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1

Those were the vote totals as of April 7 based on 281 votes:

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Lionel Richie
4. Dolly Parton
5. Pat Benatar
6. A Tribe Called Quest
7. Judas Priest
8. Fela Kuti
9. Dionne Warwick
10. Beck
11. Kate Bush
12. Rage Against The Machine
13. Devo
14. Eurythmics
15. Carly Simon
16. MC5
17. New York Dolls

Those were the vote totals as of April 11 based on 364 votes:

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Lionel Richie
4. Pat Benatar
5. Dolly Parton
6. A Tribe Called Quest and Judas Priest
7. Fela Kuti and Dionne Warwick
8. Rage Against The Machine
9. Eurythmics
10. Kate Bush
11. Beck
12. Devo
13. Carly Simon
14. MC5
15. New York Dolls

And finally, These are the current vote totals as of April 15 based on 680 unverified votes:

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Pat Benatar
4. Lionel Richie
5. Dolly Parton
6. A Tribe Called Quest
7. Judas Priest
8. Rage Against The Machine and Eurythmics
9. Dionne Warwick
10. Kate Bush
11. Carly Simon
12. Fela Kuti
13. Devo
14. Beck
15. MC5
16. New York Dolls

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 17:18pm


Richie, let me tell you what I think. I think you need to please give it a rest and stop following this "Rock Hall Burner Account." Please. Just stop it.

Posted by Johnny on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 17:45pm


Johnny,

I honestly believe in that Rock Hall Burner Account on Twitter, I just honestly believe it, I honestly think that these are the vote totals at this moment.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 17:52pm


Where's the proof that the Burner account is legit? I'll wait.....

Posted by JWC on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 17:59pm


Ritchie,

The burner account is fake. You are getting fooled like you did by the other twitter post talking about the leaked results in April 1. The Beck and Lionel Ritchie numbers make no sense on the burner account and good portion of ATCQ public vote numbers would not "just" put them in 6th place

Posted by jay f k on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 18:19pm


jay f k,

I don't think that the Burner account is fake, I honestly think that it is for real and it gives us inside information regarding the vote totals for the 2022 inductions at this moment.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 18:36pm


Richie

It's interesting but please take it witb a grain of salt. Like don't put money down based on it

Jay f k

Ehhhh it depends. The account said tribe's support was mostly press and little anything else which so far is true of what we've seen.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 19:06pm


A lot has changed thanks to the voting tracker, so I would like to change again.

My predictions again…!:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
A Tribe Called Quest
Judas Priest
Eurthymics

If 7: Dionne Warwick

Sorry Rage, you unfortunately overstayed your welcome. Dolls (NYC in 2023), Devo (if Eurthymics get in, this spells good news for support on them) and Parton (Rock album next year will help her) will come back. I doubt Richie, Bush, and Simon will return. Beck will appear to two years from now.

My dream side categories:

Early Influence:
MC5
Big Mama Thornton
John Coltrane

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
Carol Kaye
The Meters

AE: Rick Rubin

You guys are seriously crazy about Rakim and Thin Lizzy for ME. Really? Rakim only has one nom and Thin Lizzy seems too big not to be a performer.

Thoughts?

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 22:41pm


Plebeian,

The reason I pick Thin Lizzy for AME is mostly because some of the 60's & 70's acts have been inducted way too late after being eligible for quite a long time & also the ballots have been way crowded than it was last year. Not to mention TL had past their 25 years of eligibility & because Kraftwerk got inducted through "EI" category & LL Cool J in AME, it's most likely that Thin Lizzy would be inducted through one of those categories just so they don't have to wait until all of them are dead to get another nomination as a performer. That could be also why I think the Hall will induct both MC5 & New York Dolls this year in Early Influence & Devo in AME in the next few years.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 23:33pm


That as well could be said for the ones that didn't get nominated before such likes as: The Monkees, Jethro Tull, King Crimson etc.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 23:36pm


Oh here's a goodie task for fun

From the last 10 cycles (2018-22) who is "the newly eligible" artist from each year that is yet to be nominated that you think has the best shot to be in 2023.

2013: George Michael
2014: Tracy Chapman
2015: Pavement
2016: Smashing Pumpkins
2017: Alanis Morissette
2018: Wu-Tang Clan
2019: Outkast
2020: Weezer
2021: Robyn
2022: Nickelback

Posted by mat r on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 23:45pm


Plebeian

There is a ton of pressure right now on the Hall about Rakim not being in and Eminem being nominated. Every single article, from Rolling Stone, The Root, even Cleveland.com, about Eminem's nomination includes some version of "Why is Rakim not in? How can you justify Eminem, Jay-Z, Biggy all going in ahead of Rakim?" It's very loud that this bothers people and bothers the outlets that matter to the Hall.

It's not like it isn't justified as Rakim is quite widely regarded as the best and most influential MC ever.

Yes he's only been nominated once with Eric B. but they're probably not going to be returning to the ballot anytime soon as Outkast, Dr. Dre, Wu Tang, Nas, Missy, Snoop, Sean Combs, Timberland Ice Cube are all on the table as of next year and all much much much bigger names to the general public. I think the only way it's gonna happen for Rakim (and KRS-One, Big Daddy Kane, and Ice T the other real landmark MCs from the 80s not in) is via a side category and given 2022 looks like it's shaping up to be a celebration of hip hop and there's pressure about it and he's literally Eminem's idol it seems likely Rakim goes in in 2022 via AME with or without Eric B.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 04/18/2022 @ 23:57pm


Mat R,

Feels like YOU want Rakim in more than what the others said of wanting him in. He's deserving, but like there are many others too.

Jordan Einstein,

Are you like Mr. Hyde to Navonte Robertson's Mr. Jekyll? JK, but I digress. IDK seems like we will really use those side categories for last resort efforts more than anything. RG said it best. I don't see them going that crazy for the side categories. They do need a Veteran's Committee though. Thin Lizzy could actually get in through the Performers. Not everyone gets in on their first try. Second or third or fourth it will eventually happen. Just be patience. Who knows we should test drive JT,The Monkees, etc. as well to see if they got the votes or support. Being over 25 years old isn't bad thing either. Sometimes acts are older than they look.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 02:17am


Jordan Einstein,

I agree with most of your predictions in the Performer category but not Dolly or Tribe Called Quest.I just don't see Dolly being inducted this year now the regular Performer way. I think that if she gets in this year, It will be either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence, rather than as a Performer. I think that her announcement about her bowing out of the race this year has really caused damage to her chances.
As far as Tribe Called Quest I say No because there has never been 2 Rap acts at same time. More traditional minds in Voting body will prevent that. I think. There is already Eminem for Rap.
Now I have a question. I could sweat you originally had Rage Against the Machine as a pick. Can You let me know if you changed that. It's hard to go look back at your previous lists Right now. I think you are the Person who stated to me that Judas Priest and Rage ATM can be inducted at same time. You inspired me to change what I had. You told me Perhaps that Priest and Rage ATM are not both exactly Metal. Tell me if you had RAGE ATM originally. I think you did. One loses track of alll these lists. Let me know about it

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 07:02am


Plebeian

Duder

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eminem-rock-hall-fame-1294004/

"The Rock Hall has a hip-hop problem. The idea that Eminem will get in before the likes of Eric B & Rakim (who have disappeared from the ballot after their first nomination in 2012), Ice T, De La Soul, Snoop Dogg, Nas, the Wu-Tang Clan, Outkast, and the Roots, opens up a problematic can of worms."

This article is not alone in its sentiments about Eminem and highlighting of Eric B and Rakim. Hip Hop press has been all over this and my opinion is based on that factor.

You can act all "I think YOU want it" or you can accept that "oh there's pressure from media on this" and think that like with LL Cool J and Kraftwerk last year the Hall will just cave and induct them now rather than having LL 2.0.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 07:06am


The Hall has always had a problem with order of induction. It takes the bright shiny pieces before their influences countless times. This goes back to the 1990s. In the past few years, it has rushed to put in acts that become FYE long before previously eligible acts even get a sniff. It's upsetting to some, but at this point the RRHOF is what you get. The majority of the acts that go in have an argument, and Eminem has the same. Just because he goes in before Erik B and Rakim is nothing more crisis inducing than any other inductee the past 15 years. I wouldn't put much stock in this argument simply because it's already an established norm.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 07:21am


K-Dawg

I would and mostly agree however last year they caved kind of out of the blue last year, updating a category, inducting 4 guys who kinda pandered to press and certain fan bases (kraftwerk, ll, gill, randy) and undergone a recent president change. I think sykes wants the hall to better on this front and i think he knows how to please at least the media.

Also gonna note here: i hate paid in full. Thing is boring, i get it's important but it's boring. I'd rather be picking ice t.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 07:41am


I don't see them using any of the side categories to Rakim or Dr. Dre yet. Eric B. and Rakim would probably get another nomination soon not sure when though. I just don't think they would be in rush to induct a second time to just throw him in musical excellence. They probably try him as a performer at some point.

As far as who I think they might use the categories for this year.

Early/genre influence:
The Carter Family
MC5
Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
DJ Kool Harc
The Meters

Non-performer:
Don Cornelius

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 08:18am


My best guess for the side categories is still:

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
Carol Kaye
Ronnie James Dio

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton
Link Wray
MC5

Not gonna hazard a guess on Non-Performer

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 09:17am


Greg f

Dre i agree cause he's dr dre but rakim....

I genuinely think after they failed to get ll, who is a much bigger name than rakim, in with 7 nominations and they just threw gill in with no nominations that they're just gonna use ame or early influence to induct those respected but not household name mcs of the 80s. I'm talking rakim, krs one, big daddy kame maybe ice t and de la soul but they might have a big enough names and modern musical relevance that could see them working in a ballot.

I think right now, due to pressure, the backlog, and the change in leadership, we get a hip hop act in a side category and i think it's either rakim or krs and i would bet on rakim mainly cause he has been nominated with eric b (who i think might join him in the induction).

Note: I know tribe is doing well and some might think that bodes well for vets but tribe are in a different popularity level than rakim or krs one. They had 2 number one albums including one from 2016 which garnered wide acclaim, they're a lot fresher and q-tip is an in demand feature/producer. Most of these vets, with the exception of ice t and de la soul, don't have.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 10:26am


Greg F and Mat R,

I have to respectfully disagree on Dr. Dre, I just have a gut feeling that he'll get in as Musical Excellence this year, The ceremony's in Los Angeles (his hometown) this year and it's the 30th anniversary of The Chronic this year as well, so I am predicting him to get in as Musical Excellence this year along with Carol Kaye and Chaka Khan.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 10:34am


Richie

Duder it would make more sense if you picked suge.

Giving dre a side category induction before he's even been tested with a nomination as a performer would be viewed as an insult to him and his legacy and stir up some nasty discussions about the hall's handling of black performers cause you've very clearly presenting him as Eminem's producer.

He's too big and too important to just side category and there's no rush to induct him in a side category atm as he's already in with nwa

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 10:55am


Mat r. you could be on to something with Rakim. However I don't see it happening this year. My gut tells they would put either Dj Kool Harc or Afrika Bambaataa this year since they're early Hop-Hop figures that I think would want honor first.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 11:04am


Greg f

Herc is def a possibility but i think they'd go starpower as dumb as that is.

Afrika Bambaataa uhhhhh no he's actually why I'd bet against KRS One this year. The claims of child sexual abuse against Bambaataa are far too recent and credible and KRS One's defence of them was ugly. I don't think the Hall will go near Bambaataa while he's alive and mayne KRS for a while too.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 11:15am


I'm not so sure if the allegations against them would make much of a difference really. Their stories weren't widely covered so most of the public wouldn't know about them. I didn't even know about them until they were brought up on this board.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 11:44am


mat r,

Here are my guesses for artists who were first eligible in each of the last ten years that might get their first nom next year. Many of my names agree with yours.

2013: George Michael (The Pixies are a very close second)
2014: De La Soul
2015: Lenny Kravitz
2016: Smashing Pumpkins (There are a lot of options for this year though)
2017: Alanis Morissette
2018: TLC
2019: Outkast
2020: Weezer (Wouldn't argue with Oasis or Daft Punk)
2021: The Chemical Brothers (We may actually never see another nominee from this eligibility year)
2022: Fiona Apple

Posted by Michael W. on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 11:44am


Greg f

His Wikipedia page has a section called "Child molestation allegations"

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 11:59am


Ok thanks I'm thinking you might be right about it. Who really knows what the hall would do though. My musical excellence predictions only had DJ Kool Harc. If they take the allegations into consideration their chances would definitely be lower then.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 12:12pm


I think DJ Kool Herc is easily the most likely side category choice from the hip hop world, though I wonder if he would be more of an Early Influence inductee than a Musical Excellence. Just thinking about how his importance is more in innovating a style and influencing everyone who came after him rather than a released body of work or collaborating with a variety of artists.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 14:00pm


Ben,

Originally I picked Rage as the pick for induction but I don't think the voting committee hasn't done any favors to them mostly because the ballot is so crowded & they wanted more diversity being included in the ceremony. Other reason is because Judas Priest has been eligible a lot longer than RATM & given that fact that there's less metal bands in the Hall I would think the committee would let Priest have their time for the honor.

I could see your point on ATCQ but remember this, last year the Hall has a decency to induct 2 rappers (Jay - Z & LL Cool J) with one of them in the AME category & they could do this with putting both Tribe & Eminem in as performers. Well I would agree with you on Parton. I would likely see Fela Kuti & Dionne Warwick in AME & Early Influence mostly because it works better.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 16:01pm


Rg

Disagree but in an ideal word he would. The rock hall is pretty populist with the side categories. 9 outta 10 times they'll pick a name rather than an originator (kraftwerk got electronic music into the hall rather than wendy carlo or tangerine dream after all).

Herc suffers from a lack of celebrity due to his minimal output and as a result i think he'll be mostly overlooked maybe until it's too sadly.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 16:44pm


Jordan,

Good response. Ok so you did say that Priest and Rage ATM Can be inducted at same time. Priest as Pure Heavy metal and Rage ATM as Aiternative BUT you are going with another factor that The Voting Body will NOT agree. I see.
Well I will go with what you said about 2 months ago. Rage will represent the Alternative genre. I think most classes after 2018 have had an Alternative act. 2018 did NOT but 2019 had Radiohead. 2020 had NINE INCH nails. And then 2021 had Foo Fighters. You convinced me about Rage. You made me think about that. But I'm more sure about Priest to have an Extra Metal act in the Hall.
As far as Rap. I'm not a huge fan but take it into account. I actually have Rakim under Musical Excellence. So there would be 2 Rap acts in my predictions. I forgot about M Excellence. And soo I will leave out A Tribe CQ. We shall see. Rakim as a pick is not Bad for a guy like me that is not a big Rap fan. I read about Rakim. I'm convinced enough. I read about acts I don't know well. Heat from ya

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 17:05pm


When is FLR going to post his predictions?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 18:58pm


Mat R,

https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/151661845713932281

Shit is taking shape #RockHall2022

These are the current vote totals as of today based on 789 unverified votes:

Based 789 unverified votes

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Pat Benatar
4. Lionel Richie
5. A Tribe Called Quest
6. Dolly Parton
----My guess at the cut off----
7. Judas Priest
8. Dionne Warwick
9. Fela Kuti
10. Eurythmics
11. Rage Against The Machine
12. Kate Bush
13. MC5
14. Carly Simon
15. Devo
16. Beck
17. New York Dolls

Final floods coming in. Dolly is weakish. Priest is weak too. I bet Dionne hops both.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 00:00am


I think this burner account is, pardon the colloquialism, on crack.

Dionne Warwick is definitely a sentimental choice for some, but she is not even in the top 10 of this list if you rank deservedness of induction compared to the rest of the class. She is a pick that makes sense if the 60s is still in play to scoop up whatever residue is left, and she checks tokenism boxes, but there are a dozen acts on this list that deserve to be in before she does. Not saying she isn't worthy, just saying this is like a Paul Butterfield Blues Band type pick, on terms of leapfrogging both more deserving and more influential acts.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 02:10am


K-Dawg,

I've hearing a lot about this burner account. It's time to give this a rest and stop.
I agree Dionne Warwick is a sentimental choice. But since she is not in the Top 10 of this list for deservedness of induction I pick her for one of the Early Influence awards. When Paul Butterfield Blues Band were inducted the Early Influence category was being forgotten. I don't even think they used it. The special categories were revived and expanded last year to make things easier. This prevents that leapfrogging

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 02:43am


Today is April 20, 2022. It's good to see that Philip has finally given his preliminary opinion of the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog." Thank you, Philip.

With only 9 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.'

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. Their studio albums: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" (1983), "Touch" (1983), "Be Yourself Tonight" (1985), "Revenge" (1986), "Savage" (1987), "We Two Are One" (1989), "Greatest Hits" (1991) and "Peace" (1999) show a great deal of variation in their style. The Rock Hall appears to also love the Eurythmics. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I'Ve Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 03:13am


K-Dawg,

I think Warwick's support is honesty not on her, but the love of Burt Bacharach and Hal David more. You can't deny those two are some of music's most revered songwriter duos. Which reminds me. Why aren't they in yet?!

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 07:51am


What I mean is that most of her songs were written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David. Seems more like they respect and adored those two compared to her. I wish those votes could be transferred to Beck. Poor dude.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 07:54am


Here's an interesting question:

If both Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick both get in this year, Would the floodgates open for more Easy Listening/Adult Contemporary acts to get nominated and inducted like The Carpenters, Gloria Estefan and Celine Dion?. That's an interesting question and I'm curious to see what people think of it.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 09:36am


Dionne Warwick is just as deserving as anyone else on the ballot. Not a great look to be calling the presence of the only Black woman on the ballot tokenism and claiming that her white male songwriters deserve all of the credit for her accomplishments, guys….

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 10:11am


RG,

I have to agree with you on Dionne Warwick, I think that she's absolutely deserving of induction and I think that she's one of the last 60's acts that needs to get in the proper way as a Performer along with The Monkees, I think that she stands a very good chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 10:17am


Yes it would definitely open the door for more easy listening and adult contemporary artists. The question is which ones would they consider. I could see The Carpenters and Roberta Flack come up as soon as next. Down the road maybe America, Bread, Gloria Estefan and dare I say Barry Manilow.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 10:26am


RG,

I apologize. Just an outside observation. Maybe my statement was a too blatantly racist. I hope you can forgive me.

Richie,

No easy listening for me no thank you. I thought we were trying to avoid that kind of stuff. Adult contemporary isn't a genre worth looking too deep besides Carpenters. Don't we already have some like Neil Diamond in?

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 10:54am


Maybe it's the burner that's preventing everyone from making predictions. If the burner is right, then it's Eminem-Duran Duran-Pat Benatar-Lionel Richie-A Tribe Called Quest and if there's a sixth, either Dolly, Dionne, or Judas Priest.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 11:45am


Richie

The flood gates on Easy Listening have been open for a while. Hall n Oates, Whitney, Rod Stewart, Elton John, Tina Turner. There are a lot of Easy Listening people in. However, I would note the difference between them and Lionel and Dionne and say a Celine is history and edge. The Rock Hall is a life time achievement award and as such people take the whole body of work almost all the Easy Listening inductees and nominees do have a history of making youthful music: Dionne was making soul records in the 60s that were popular with the Playboy mansion crowd while Lionel came from a funk band and was an early star on MTV. These are things that a Celine or Kenny G don't have, Michael Bolton maybe has it but a lot less so.

The Carpenters are an interesting one because while they weren't seen as serious John and Karen broke a lot of ground and ultimately inspired a ton of indie rock.

For Gloria Estefan 100% with Miami Sound Machine because they're a vital piece of modern latin music. Without them pop today is so very different.

Roberta Flack and Cher should also be locks.

However, your Celines, Kenny Gs, Diana Kralls probably will not go in unless the hall drops the "music of youth" angle

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 12:43pm


Rg,

No disrespect intended towards her, but the fact she is the only African American woman on the ballot does scream tokenism if that's why she is there. I've said she's deserving. However, on this saturated with talent list, she's about 13th or so ranking in deservability. Others are far more influential. It's just how it shapes up. If she goes in over other artists, that stigma could very well be there

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 13:02pm


I'm still little suspicious about that account. There's no evidence of it.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 13:28pm


Getting ahead of myself, but going off of Mat's last comment, what does everyone think about Cher for next year? I think that if Lionel gets in, and especially if both Lionel and Dionne get in, she seems like close to a lock for next year. She is the most prominent choice left in this run of huge multigenerational pop culture icons that the Hall has been working on inducting recently.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 13:29pm


Pretty funny to see people minimizing Warwick's output when Whitney, mariah, and Beyonce have championed her as an influence and 'walk on by' was the highest ranking song by all nominated in rolling stone's top 500

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 13:33pm


Also it's funny how people will talk about how Billy squire is sampled af and that's grounds towards his induction but warwick's heavily sampled voice gets no mention

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 13:43pm


Jordan,

Obviously we should be very skeptical of any anonymous claims with no evidence, but I think a reason to take it seriously might be that if it's all fake, what's the point of them putting in all the effort to make plausible and changing lists and ballots? To fool an extremely small (they have 9 followers) group of people, all of whom are gonna be skeptical of what they're saying without evidence anyways? Whereas if it's real, they're putting in much less effort, they're just repeating the information that they have received because people might be interested in it.

Again we shouldn't believe it blindly, but we can't dismiss it either.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 13:44pm


That said, I would be extremely happy with a class of Em/Duran/Pat/Lionel/Tribe and one of Dolly/Dionne/Priest.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 13:58pm


What are your final predictions for the 2022 inductees (If 7 inductees this year)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 16:38pm


RG

I think the Cher nomination is coming very, very soon and it's way overdue, she's way too big and influential not to go in. Everything is kind of pointing to it coming the only question is do they want to induct similar artists who are "singers first" like Mariah or Cyndi rather than Cher who is Cher first and everything else after.

I've always thought the hold up is that she's not really singer in the same sense as others. Yes she came from music, has tons of iconic songs, and has had a #1 in every decade but she's also an Oscar winning actress, a variety show host, a fitness instructor, a walking fashion statement, kind of just a figure that exists. Like pegging her down as a rock or pop star or even entertainer can be done but it's weird to think of her in that way cause she's Cher and Cher is Cher. When you hear Chad Michaels, the world renowned Cher impersonator who also won Drag Race, talk about Cher she usually talks about Cher as an icon and will talk about that for a while before talking about music (which Michaels also adores BTW).

Like is there anyone else like Cher in the Hall? Everyone else including Madonna and Michael Jackson it seems you can straight up list their 5 biggest moments and all are music but Cher no cause like Moonstruck and Silkwood will be up there, all her fashion, the "a man is not a necessity a man is a luxury like dessert" quote, her status as a gay icon are all gonna be contenders for 3 of those 5 spots.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 16:52pm


How many Female acts do you see being inducted this year?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 20:04pm


Richie,

Only 2 in the performer category & a few more in side categories.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 20:15pm


Richie

2 performers maybe 3

2 in early influence (maybe more if they do the carter family)

=======general post for all======

So a few people have talked about them maybe inducting the MTV executives via the Ahmet Award but what about say the original 5 VJs (Martha Quinn, Mark Goodman, Nina Blackwood, Alan Hunter, and J.J. Jackson).

They essentially were the first of a new, very iconic role in music that kind of changed the look of who presented us music on TV, even as VJs disappeared the hosts of shows like American Idol and Americas Got Talent resembled VJs more than guys like Ed Sullivan. The 5 each served between 5 to 10 years at MTV before moving on to jobs in radio, some had actually worked in radio prior, and as AnR figures. I know the Hall is iffy on media people but those are 5 people who were kind of gamechangers.

Thoughts?

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 20:55pm


Mat R,

Which 2, maybe 3 Female acts do you see being inducted this year?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/20/2022 @ 21:36pm


The Carpenters are another act that should have been inducted long ago. Not my cup of tea, but megastars in the early & mid 70s. Would have continued on if Karen hadn't died.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 04/21/2022 @ 07:07am


How about putting The Carpenters through one of the non - voting categories. That works because they're pretty much one of the weakest entries if they ever receive nomination in the "Performer" one.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 04/21/2022 @ 10:42am


Jordan Einstein

How? They're widely celebrated, quite influential, and close to you is considered a classic album.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/21/2022 @ 13:02pm


Who do you see making the cut for induction this year (If 7 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/21/2022 @ 17:43pm


Mat R,

Reason is basically if Kraftwerk (who they have more influence than the duo on popular music as a whole) couldn't get inducted as performers then it's not fair that The Carpenters should even be nominated & inducted as performers. It goes to show that there's FAVORTISIM in the process when it comes to whose artists gets inducted in which categories. That's another reason why others like Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Monkees, Thin Lizzy etc. should be inducted in other categories instead of performer.

Richie,

I already explained my final predictions so there's no need to ask the same damn freaking question every day. We get it already about yours so just quit it!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 04/21/2022 @ 18:49pm


Jordan Einstein

I don't think kraftwerk having to take the sidedoor is a reason not to nominate people. I'd rather they at least nominate an act like carpenters or jethro tull once before just cramming them in the side. Some acts (gill) yea just do it and save the time but a big name nah.

I also am not a fan of giving all failed nominees the kraftwerk/ll cool j treatment. If someone is close but keeps failing either keep nominating them if they matter (sabbath, patti) just accept they're not getting and move on unless they basically invented a genre like kraftwerk did or really are an unsung hero like chaka. Basically i want them to never induct the j geils band via a side category, maybe peter wolf but not the group.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/21/2022 @ 19:13pm


PERFORMERS
A Tribe Called Quest
Eminem
Lionel Richie
Fela Kuti
Rage Against the Machine
New York Dolls
Carly Simon

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
The Big Bopper
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
Chubby Checker

EARLY INFLUENCE
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle
Scott Joplin

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 00:53am


Today is April 22, 2022. It's good to see that Philip has finally given his preliminary opinion of the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog." Thank you, Philip.

With only 7 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- if the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.'

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it feels right. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. Their studio albums: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" (1983), "Touch" (1983), "Be Yourself Tonight" (1985), "Revenge" (1986), "Savage" (1987), "We Two Are One" (1989), "Greatest Hits" (1991) and "Peace" (1999) show a great deal of variation in their style. The Rock Hall appears to also love the Eurythmics. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I'Ve Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!



Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 05:54am


I would just proffer a small correction, I realize, based on perspective. Someone referred to acts not going in as "failed nominees". That term strikes me as inaccurate. Kraftwerk, in particular, should have been inducted 15 years ago. The failure was on the voting body and the hall of fame itself to do it right. Just a nitpick, but there are dozens of acts that need some way to finally get in

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 12:10pm


As of now, I think that 8 acts stand the best chance of getting in this year and they are:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick

Fela Kuti stands a very good chance of getting in as an Early Influence this year as well.

I just don't see Dolly, Lionel, MC5 or New York Dolls ever getting nominated again, I think that Dolly, MC5 and New York Dolls will get in via the side categories eventually and Lionel has a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own. Beck, Devo and Rage Against The Machine will have to wait another year, Which makes the only real Wild Card/Dark Horse/Spoiler I see being Kate Bush.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 12:53pm


What's interesting is how Devo is pulling nonstop campaigning for their chances in the Hall. I've seen their Twitter explode with articles about them left and right. So I think they have a chance to be dark horses in the race.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 13:17pm


K-dawg

I know you mean me and i agree and just to be clear, i thought i made in clear in the original post, there's a difference between a kraftwerk and a j geils band. The voters failed kraftwerk but i do not believe the same can be truly said of someone like j geils band or joe tex or even chic and maybe even ll all of who had both a good number of radio hits and critical respect.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 16:19pm


Richie,

There's no way that there will be 8 performer class this year. It could be 6 or 7 but 8 is not possible. Maybe put one of them (Dionne Warwick) in Early Influence along with Fela Kuti. Yeah that works quite well. As for Carly Simon, there are fellow songwriters of her time that took a few nominations to get inducted so she's going into the same path.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 16:46pm


Here's the list of acts who will/would eventually be inducted through Early Influence & Musical Excellence categories!

Early Influence:
MC5
Dionne Warwick
Fela Kuti (he could also be in through AME if EI didn't work out)
Big Mama Thornton
Dick Dale
Sparks
Ella Fitzgerald
John Coltrane
Jan & Dean
Willie Nelson
Dolly Parton (if she doesn't get inducted this year)
Django Reinhardt
Bing Crosby
Frank Sinatra
Gordon Lightfoot
Waylon Jennings
The Sonics
New York Dolls
Suzi Quatro
Nick Drake
The Carter Family
Patsy Cline
Duke Ellington
Sonny Boy Williamson II
Blind Willie Jefferson
Scott Joplin

Musical Excellence:
Devo
Kate Bush
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Rory Gallagher
Big Star
The Monkees
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
Toto
John McLaughlin
Warren Zevon
Jimmy Buffett
Paul Rodgers
Ronnie James Dio
Bauhaus
Squeeze (mostly due to the songwriting team of Chris Difford & Glenn Tilbrook)
Kool & The Gang
Lee "Scratch" Perry
Thin Lizzy
Steppenwolf
Captain Beefhart
Joe Satriani
Buckethead
The Ohio Players
Nick Lowe & Dave Edmunds
Steve Vai
Pavement
Television
The Carpenters
ELP
The Commodores
Wilco

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 17:07pm


I'll add Weird "Al" Yankovic to AME.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 17:28pm


Legit q

Why does everyone think they'll give musical excellence to random groups when they didn't induct chic but instead just nile rogers?

Seems like they just wanna give it to individuals

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 17:38pm


I think this is the most unpredictable class ever, In previous years, It was easy to predict who the inductees were going to be, but this year, It's so unpredictable and I really like it, because It's going to be interesting to see who gets in this year and how many inductees there will be this year, I'm so excited and I can't wait to see who gets inducted this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 18:49pm


Jordan Einstein.

That's quite a list, I can foresee Jethro Tull and some others not being nominated the regular way for Performer status. I agree with Mat r. There is very few times a group entered the Hall through Music Excellence. I can Only think of the E Street Band in 2014.
Just as a review
Last 2021
Music Excellence was
Billy Preston
LL Cool J
Randy Rhoads

This year 2022 I predict for
Music Excellence

Chaka Khan
Rakim
Johnny Winter

I removed J Geils Band because they are band and do Not have much chance in any category. I like some odd songs, But as an inductee I doubt they do well. In the same era there is Johnny Winter also Blues rock but a solo artist. As a guy very close to that Rock era I can say Johnny Winter is more deserved.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 20:16pm


Jordan Einstein

Decided to do my own list but I stuck to 20 I think are likely in the next 10 years

Early Influence
- Ella Fitzgerald
- Count Bassey
- Cole Porter
- "Screamin" Jay Hawkins
- Buddy Rich
- Frank Sinatra
- Duke Ellington
- John Coltrane
- Ravi Shankar
- Big Mama Thornton
- Cliff Richard
- Link Wray
- The Carter Family
- Wendy Carlos
- Serge Gainsbourg
- Dick Dale
- MC5
- New York Dolls
- Throbbing Gristle
- Boogie Down Productions

Award for Musical Excellence
- (Eric B and) Rakim
- Chaka Khan
- Carole Kaye
- Lenny Kaye
- Kate Bush
- Damon Albarn
- Patti LaBelle
- Jaco Pastorius
- Ronnie James Dio
- Danny Elfman
- Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings
- Boz Scaggs
- Stephin Merritt
- Philip Glass
- The Funk Brothers
- Daniel Lanois
- Sylvia Robinson
- Ludacris
- The Revolution
- Melissa Auf der Maur

Posted by mat r on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 21:08pm


What order do you think will all 17 nominees this year finish in the final voting total from #1 (the most votes) to #17 (the least votes)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/22/2022 @ 21:40pm


Jordan Einstein,

I do Not know why there is no edit function. I must make huge correction. One mistype ruined my thoughts here. Somehow I wrote not. That's terribly wrong.

That's quite a list, I can foresee Jethro Tull and some others DEFINITELY being nominated the regular way for Performer status. Just to be clear Jethro Tull MUST be nominated first. This is my view and what I want to say. I agree with Mat r. There is very few times a group entered the Hall through Music Excellence. I can Only think of the E Street Band in 2014.
Just as a review
Last 2021
Music Excellence was
Billy Preston
LL Cool J
Randy Rhoads

This year 2022 I predict for
Music Excellence

Chaka Khan
Rakim
Johnny Winter

I removed J Geils Band because they are band and do Not have much chance in any category. I like some odd songs, But as an inductee I doubt they do well. In the same era there is Johnny Winter also Blues rock but a solo artist. As a guy very close to that Rock era I can say Johnny Winter is more deserved.
Respond with your thoughts. The mistype either confused you or you never read it yet. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/23/2022 @ 04:11am


Here's how I would put the 2022 nominees in order of likelihood of getting in this year and they are:

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Pat Benatar
4. Carly Simon
5. Eurythmics
6. Judas Priest
7. A Tribe Called Quest
8. Dionne Warwick
9. Kate Bush
10. Rage Against The Machine
11. Devo
12. New York Dolls
13. MC5
14. Dolly Parton
15. Lionel Richie
16. Beck
17. Fela Kuti

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/23/2022 @ 12:38pm


WHAT I WANT

PERFORMERS
Devo
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Beck
Duran Duran

Parton substitute: Dionne Warwick

WHAT THEY WANT

PERFORMERS
A Tribe Called Quest
Eminem
Lionel Richie
Fela Kuti
Rage Against the Machine
New York Dolls
Carly Simon

OTHER GROUPS

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
The Big Bopper
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
Chubby Checker
MORE LIKELY
Chaka Khan

EARLY INFLUENCE
Big Mama Thornton
Big Maybelle
Scott Joplin
MORE LIKELY
Sugarhill Gang

NONPERFORMER
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 04/23/2022 @ 15:23pm


Alright let's go.

If bands like The Cure & Depeche Mode could be inducted so can Duran
Duran. I mean all three of them are game changers in the 80's new wave scene along with Talking Heads, Blondie & The Police.

Eminem is a lock for induction since he's one of the most important & successful artists in last 25 years.

Judas Priest would have a safe chance to finally earn induction as the most influential metal band since Black Sabbath.

A Tribe Called Quest is another one that has a high chance for an honor this year.

Pat Benatar has a clear shot since the committee is making up her snub since what happened 2 years ago.

Fellow icons like MC5 & New York Dolls will likely be inducted under side category "Early Influence" .

Dolly Parton would likely be a wild card one since her decline of the nomination.

Mat R & Ben,

Your picks in Musical Excellence & Early Influence are somewhat good & fair, however the reason that why I choose the artist in my list is basically the Hall is trying to move on inducting artists of the 80's & 90's more than 60's & 70's. Just my thoughts.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 04/23/2022 @ 16:24pm


2022 Special Awards.
I think Chaka Khan, Chic, Procol Harum, The Sonics, MC5, NY Dolls could be candidates for the Special Awards. Chaka Khan fits the criteria for Musical Excellence. Don't know what will they do with ELP. Palmer is still alive. They could make ELP a nominee. Ronnie James Dio would be a great choice for his excellent work in Rainbow and Dio plus Black Sabbath.
Early Influence
MC5
Procol Harum
The Sonics
Musical Excellence
Chaka Khan
Chic
Ronnie James Dio
Something like this I would assume. They have plenty of flexibility and latitude to give these Special Awards.
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 04/23/2022 @ 16:45pm


My predictions for the side categories are still the same:

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
Fela Kuti

Musical Excellence:

Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/23/2022 @ 17:48pm


You can always say nonperformer.

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 01:25am


It's extremely unlikely now, but I was wanting another special committee like we did a decade ago to account for all the neglected backing groups over the decades.

INDUCTEES
Steve Miller Band
The Silver Bullet Band
The Patti Smith Group
The Jeff Beck Group
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Wings
The Mothers of Invention
The Belmonts
The Revolution
The Wailers
Johnny Otis and His Orchestra
Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 01:34am


Today is April 24, 2022. It's good to see that Philip has finally given his preliminary opinion of the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog." Thank you, Philip.

With only 5 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for over 9 consecutive years. I am not going to mince words about this: Duran Duran definitely deserves to be inducted. If the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.'

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it just feels right. Yesterday, I had watched their most interview on CBS Sunday Morning on YouTube. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. Their studio albums: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" (1983), "Touch" (1983), "Be Yourself Tonight" (1985), "Revenge" (1986), "Savage" (1987), "We Two Are One" (1989), "Greatest Hits" (1991) and "Peace" (1999) show a great deal of variation in their style. The Rock Hall appears to also love the Eurythmics. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I'Ve Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. If you want to check out how great Carly happens to be in concert, please watch her concert video "Carly Simon: Live from Martha's Vineyard," from 1987. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 04:55am


Jordan Einstein

If it's Ok can you repost your Special category predictions specific for this year or tell me where it's located. You do have an illustrious list of who will/should eventually be inducted through Early Influence & Musical Excellence categories.
There also is no Search function for this site. My memory is very vague on who you chose in the Special categories for this year 2022.
This is my specific list for Special categories this year:

Early Influence:

John Coltrane
Gram Parsons
Dionne Warwick

Musical Influence:
Chaka Khan
Rakim
Johnny Winter

I just want to say these categories have evolved a lot in 7-10 years time. A long time back people like Freddie King and the 5 Royales were inducted in Early Influence and Producer Tom Dowd was inducted in Musical Excellence further back. They have certainly expanded as an opportunity to move on to 80s and 90s in the Regular Performer category. I think that's what you are trying to say. This is is why John Coltrane, Gram Parsons, Dionne Warwick and Gordon Lightfoot stand a good chance for E Influence. I think Musical Excellence stays somewhat the same. Those have been from a more Modern time in Recent times.

Please let me know Your E Influence and Musical Excellence picks specific for 2022. Respond when possible. Thanks man

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 05:30am


Ben, here's the list of the acts that will be inducted through side categories for this year.

Early Influence:
MC5
John Coltrane
Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti
Thin Lizzy

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 08:22am


Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it just feels right. Yesterday morning, I had watched their most recent interview on CBS Sunday Morning on YouTube. Count them in, also.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 08:32am


With a VPN and the easy ability to get free emails you can vote multiple times.
Doesn't seem like they monitor this type of voting.
Each day I vote for my favorite band twice. I could vote 50 times a day but it would be too much effort.

Posted by C on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 09:05am


So does anyone want to chime in for final predictions before the fan vote closes in a few days? K-Dawg you wanna change a bit? No answering Richie I think we know. Anyone out there want to give their big brain take on who's safe or not?
This class should be fun. Might make my final FINAL predictions soon.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 12:14pm


My predictions again:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest

If 8 (though on the extremely off chance):

Dionne Warwick

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
Fela Kuti

Musical Excellence:

Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 12:36pm


On The Sonics: I'm curious why The Sonics haven't received more mention. They predate MC5 and NY Dolls and some other groups mentioned. The Sonics have an influence on the later groups. I've heard The Sonics could be an early punk influence. They definitely were before their time. It's amazing how great The Sonics sound in some of their shows. They must be in their 70's at least. I know Little Steven is a fan of theirs and jammed in 1 show I saw.

On Procol Harum: The Early Influence and Musical Excellence awards definitely should help Procol Harum. PH easily could be inducted in either category. Classic Songs: A Whiter Shade Of Pale, Conquistador, Simple Sister, Crucifiction Lane, Pandora's Box, Strong As Samson etc. The recent passing of legendary PH Singer Gary Brooker also might have them on the Committee's minds. Also, an Early Influence on Prog with the Moody Blues.
KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 12:42pm


King

I think the sonics don't get the shout out cause a lot of bands (eg. Nirvana, sleater-kinney) reject them being deemed an influence and the fact in their time they were kind of not taken seriously. I think the kingsmen, who 10000000% are more influential than mc5 and nee york dolls, also aren't in for similar reasons.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 14:34pm


The Sonics should be considered for Early Influence category but the problem is they have so many members to induct as individuals.

Procol Harum shouldn't even be an mention since most of the general public pretty much hears them due to that one song A Whiter Shade of Pale & the rest of their career seems pretty unremarkable at it's best. They were nominated once & haven't been back since then & the Hall induct that song in the "Singles" category so that's good case. In case how about inducting Robin Trower & Gary Brooker in Musical Excellence separately.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 04/24/2022 @ 16:11pm


Jordan Einstein

I don't think member numbers matter when it comes to early influence. The award for musical excellence they seem conservative on but early influence seems pretty ok with inducting a lot of people with one act (kraftwerk, 5 royals, bill wills and his playboys, ink spots, orioles, soul stirrers are all in). I think they won't induct like a dozen acts a year this year or play fast and loose with it like others do but i think the hall is fine putting 4 to 7 guys in with it.

That said i don't think the sonics will get it cause you know kingsmen (screw the singles category) and them (would they induct van morrison twice after his covid fits? I guess he did get an oscar nod) are better contenders for that realm and maybe even amboy dukes (which would shut the nuge up). The hall will be to reversed to just induct everyone and garage rock/early psychedelic/proto punk/early metal sound can only produce so many inductees beyond vu, the stooges and mc5.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 00:48am


I'm sticking with my predictions:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar

if 7, Judas Priest

I don't really want to delve into the other cats, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Fela Kuti or MC5 put in via a side door. Ifi Patsy Cline were to get an ME or Early Influence, I would approve...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 03:41am


NON PERFORMER:

DON CORNELIUS

Posted by Bill G on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 06:29am


If we're following the same timeline as last year, the inductee announcement should be on May 4th

Posted by RG on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 07:26am


Well my predictions haven't change much, but for me I will give it here again. I think you will understand and see my views. These are my final predictions.

Eminem
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Judas Priest
A Tribe Called Quest
Devo (I think with the Azoff advantage and the fact they have been promoting more than any act on the list that it will take swift notice of them. Helps they seem to get closer on each nom.)
Dionne Warwick (She clearly has support and people clearly can't get enough of her. Also diverse in having another female.)

Side categories can go to hell based on the discussions I've been seeing lately. I will admit I don't see Lionel in (now I hate him because of Mat R and Richie which great guys you got me to being neutral to outright loathing him) and Carly is doing pretty badly. Sad Beck couldn't get ONE vote. Rage will have to wait until the Hall fully embraces the 90s. Bush might have to take a break. Eurthymics I don't see. Fela gets the side categories. MC5 too. NYD will get a another shot next year. Parton seems like a next time and it's clear she isn't embraced even without her statement earlier. All in all very unpredictable list. Hope next year goes back to being predictable as much as I hate to admit.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 08:28am


Plebeian

Lol don't blame me for your dislike interest in meh music and someone for endlessly copy and pasting every post. I want to block that dude but it's not possible and I'm pretty sure I'm not the first person to snap on him for his spam because I've literally seen people talk about him harassing them on Twitter

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 09:51am


Mat R,

Are you the guy behind that burner account on Twitter called Rockhallburneraccount (@Rockhallburner1) at (https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 10:01am


Richie....

Dude what? What the hell makes you think that? Are you just pissy that i pointed out you've been accused on here of harassing people on twitter and that i want to block you? Please just freaking stop with your troll crap

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 10:11am


I don't want to sound like the "hey guys, let's just all get along" person, but let's try to keep differing viewpoints from getting hostile. The endless repetition of posts by certain individuals aside, the sheer knowledge of music fans on this board is unmatched, possibly even by the RRHOF voting body itself (well, if they could get past their own biases). I have disagreed with people here, but I've never personally had a problem with anyone as this is probably the best music forum I've ever had the privilege to be a part of in my lifetime of music appreciation...to paraphrase the Beatles, I hope we can get along and "give peace a chance"

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 12:00pm


Gotta agree with K-Dawg. Yes, Some people do post repetitively but it's easy to just scroll past a repeated post on move to the next one. No harm no foul. I find the sudden "groups" of supporters for DMX, the Osmonds, etc. that pop up periodically to be far more annoying than anything from our regular posters.

And I hate to be "that guy" but someone else will point this out if I don't; "Give Peace a Chance" was by John Lennon and the Plastic Ono Band, not the Beatles. Still a good reference though.

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 15:02pm


The class of 2000 only has half of its inductees living now, and one of those is Eric Clapton, so it's closer to less since he's in 3 times.

Nine (Grahame Edge, Norman Thrasher, Calvin Simon, Ronnie Spector, Don Wilson, Sam Lay, Taylor Hawkins, Art Rupe, and Andrew Woolfolk) have died since the ceremony.

Living Members of Each Class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 1/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 22/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVie, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 14/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 28/70 (Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 19/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 15:15pm


Procol Harum most certainly deserves to be inducted as an Early Influence or Musical Excellence. Musically, Procol Harum had musicians of the highest order and their songs last forever. A Whiter Shade Of Pale, Conquistador, Crucifiction Lane, Homburg, Pandora's Box, Simple Sister, Strong As Samson and many more. I think Procol Harum has many excellent songs and A Whiter Shade Of Pale is their most legendary one. Also, 1 of the best concert shows with their virtuosity. Brooker's death has been a tough one for me. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 15:37pm


I think I share king's desire here but instead of just procol harum in i'd like to see the hall maybe do something kind of aggressive and say "we tried something from 2018 to 2020 that didn't work but with a change made in 2021 we feel we can do right: all the artists given the singles award from 2018 to 2020 are now inductees under early influence"

now of course isley brothers create an issue but that's pretty minor. just retcon in with a single sentence and get link, the kingsmen, procol, steppenwolf, chubby, the chantels, and the shangri las in.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 16:46pm


Final Predictions from me

Performers:

Duran Duran
Eminem
Pat Benatar
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick
Judas Priest


Early Influence:

MC5
Suzi Quatro


Musical Excellence

Chaka Khan
Lee Scratch Perry


Non Performer

John Peel

Posted by DS on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 19:10pm


Curious A Tribe Called Quest has def overperformed but as the Who Cares pod noted, all the voters so far are, to quote Joe, "nerds". Another artist who has done well with the "nerds" so far is Fela Kuti and Kuti is the returning candidate who likely did well last year, not only in the fan vote but with the regular voters too, hence why he is back.

With the likelihood Fela fanbase has sympathies after coming up short last year, his deep links to rock, new wave, and alternative (Ginger Baker, Talking Head, Peter Gabriel, Radiohead), and deeper political meaning and Tribe's recentness, do you think there's a chance this dark horse rising role we've assigned to Tribe should actually belong to Fela given the Hall's slight rockist slant and anti-rap slant?

Posted by mat r on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 20:32pm


Mat R,

I think that Fela Kuti is getting in this year, but I think it will be as an Early Influence instead of as a Performer. but otherwise, I'm predicting him to get in this year as an Early Influence.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/25/2022 @ 21:26pm


Jordan Einstein,

Thanks for your list of the acts that will be inducted through side categories for this year.
I actually have to correct mine, It's a correction not actually change.
I forgot about my updated list of acts for side categories.
This is my updated list of acts that will be inducted through side categories for this year.
Early Influence:
John Coltrane
Dionne Warwick
5th Dimension

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
Rakim
Johnny Winter

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 03:59am


Question

If you could have one surprise for the class of 2022 what would it be?

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 10:02am


Mat R,

Having 8 Performer inductees for the first time in over 20 years/two decades (since 2001). That would be the one surprise that I would love to see.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 10:16am


mat r,

The surprise I'd love to see would be Beck getting inducted. For me he's easily one of the top 6 or 7 most deserving artists on this ballot, but I'm apparently in the vast minority on that one based on the votes we've seen and how little he's been discussed in general.

Posted by Michael W. on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 11:43am


Mat R,

That the Hall finally announces a veteran's committee. Also 7 as the max from then on.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 13:40pm


Mat R.,

My one surprise for the Class of 2022 would be that Judas Priest has finally earned induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Johnny on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 13:56pm


Mat R.,
I'm with the fellow Johnny on that.
My one surprise would be that Judas Priest are finally inducted. They are on my Predictions for Performers BUT they are more shaky than Duran Duran for instance. However Priest can happen. It's not pointed out too much but Metallica was inducted In 2009 and rather easily. So it can happen. And by the way despite owning a bunch of J Priest, Twisted Sister, Metallica I am NOT an all out METAL fan. Those and a few others. But like Prog and blues Rock. Metal has its problems with snubs.
Due to overall demand for Old Heavy Metal J Priest just may be inducted. And as PERFORMER

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 15:15pm


Anybody have a Quick List of 15-20 potential 2023 music artists' nominees? I've decided on 15-20 not nominated this year.
1. Alice In Chains
2. Lenny Kravitz
3. Procol Harum
4. Mariah Carey
5. Scorpions
6. Salt N Pepa
7. Iron Maiden
8. Black Crowes
9. Smashing Pumpkins
10. Kool & The Gang
11. Sheryl Crow
12. Bryan Adams
13. The Bangles
14. INXS
15. Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine
16. Bad Company
17. Garth Brooks
18. Los Lobos
19. Eric B & Rakim
20. First Year Eligible Artist
KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 15:49pm


KING,

Not gonna make a whole list until this class is revealed, but Cher and Outkast are two artists that I am very confident about appearing on next years ballot.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 16:28pm


My final predictions for the 2022 inductees are:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest

If 8:

Dionne Warwick

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
Fela Kuti

Musical Excellence:

Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

I just don't see Dolly, Lionel, MC5 or New York Dolls ever getting nominated again, I think that Dolly, MC5 and New York Dolls will get in via the side categories eventually and I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own. Beck, Devo and Rage Against The Machine will all have to wait another year, which makes the only real Wild Card/Dark Horse/Spoiler I see being Kate Bush.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 16:39pm


That they induct the entire nom list so we can clear out that much space on the list for next year.

I like the idea of a veterans committee, but the Hall would have way too much work to do to streamline it at this point. It's still throwing 60s and 70s acts along with 80s and 90s in equal parts, and we are only a couple years away from the 2000s coming into play

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 20:45pm


King

Fun times

I'm going to go with

1960s
- Willie Nelson (I think they want someone from country to go in as a performer)
- The Meters (I think they give it one more go before Musical Excellence)
- Boz Scaggs
- The Guess Who (It's been quiet but Randy Bachman got his radio show syndicated on a lot of Canadian classic rock stations very recently after years on CBC and as a result he's been given a profile boost - seems like now or never)

1970s
- Rufus with Chaka Khan (like The Meters this is that last attempt)
- The B52s
- Supertramp
- The Runaways (a set up for Early Influence)
- Los Lobos
- Joy Division/New Order

(Many might think they would but I don't know if they'll do a Boston or Foreigner before Supertramp just because Supertramp has so many iconic songs. I also wanted to pick Miami Sound Machine but I think they'd try Los Lobos again first)

1980s
- Sade
- Melissa Etheridge (odd pick? maybe but she's kind of the bridge from Benatar to the 90s women's mainstream rock scene and I think they'd do her before Sheryl or Alanis because let's be real she came first and is as big as those two)
- Iron Maiden
- Billy Idol
- New Edition (odd pick? maybe but this group is way too influential to ignore)
- Bryan Adams

(Maybe swap Billy Idol with Squire or George Michael)

1990s
- Missy Elliot
- Oasis (Instead of doing grunge I think they take at shot at Britpop finally)
- Destiny's Child (I think they're gonna try it at least to signal they want Beyonce in and maybe twice)
- Wu-Tang Clan

(I don't know if they're ready for Mariah or feel the rush to do her)

Overall I think after a third of the class made comments about not getting the hall (or wanting to be removed) I think they go conservative. A lot of rock and a lot of groups.

If this was the nominees then the performers are

- Wu-Tang Clan
- Bryan Adams
- Guess Who
- Sade
- Melissa Etheridge
- Willie Nelson

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 21:16pm


Alright here's my list of possible nominees for 2023 even though it's too early.

70's:
New York Dolls
Diana Ross
Carly Simon

80's:
The B - 52's
De La Soul
Eurythmics
INXS
Iron Maiden
George Michael
The Replacements

90's:
Mary J. Blige
Lenny Kravitz
OutKast
Soundgarden
Smashing Pumpkins

Newly Eligible Artist:
Missy Elliott

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 04/26/2022 @ 23:43pm


I just think that it's way too early to be making predictions for the 2023 nominees yet, Let's wait until this year's class is announced before we can start making predictions for 2023.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 00:34am


Absolutely Richie!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 00:50am


Today is April 27, 2022. It's good to see that Philip has finally given his preliminary opinion of the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog." Thank you, Philip.

With only 2 days left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for over 9 consecutive years. I am not going to mince words about this: Duran Duran definitely deserves to be inducted. If the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.'

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it just feels right. Yesterday, I had watched their most interview on CBS Sunday Morning on YouTube. Count them in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. Their studio albums: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" (1983), "Touch" (1983), "Be Yourself Tonight" (1985), "Revenge" (1986), "Savage" (1987), "We Two Are One" (1989), "Greatest Hits" (1991) and "Peace" (1999) show a great deal of variation in their style. The Rock Hall appears to also love the Eurythmics. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I'Ve Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. If you want to check out how great Carly happens to be in concert, please watch her concert video "Carly Simon: Live from Martha's Vineyard," from 1987. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Yeah, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on it, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 05:45am


Mat R., my surprise would be seeing Kate Bush getting inducted. Certainly deserves it, but being such a minor artist over here in USA and her reclusiveness are torpedos to her induction chances. I assume she could care less if she is inducted...which also is another torpedo.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 06:37am


Richie

Disagree as long as we're not including 2022 nominees. Let's have fun cause we've bleed 2022 nominees dry

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 07:36am


I definitely agree Richie let's wait until at least after the inductees are announced. I probably won't do any predictions for 2023 until after the ceremony or maybe sooner. I need time to think about it. Please don't constantly bother me for predictions. I'll post them when I'm ready.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 10:15am


What are your official predictions for the 2022 inductees (If we get 7 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 12:06pm


I already listed my official 2022 inductee predictions and they haven't changed since I posted them.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 13:37pm


If Destiny's Child gets a nom before TLC, Salt N Pepa, or En Vogue, that would be infuriating.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 16:49pm


K-Dawg

Largely agree but i would not at all be shocked at all and think they will

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 17:35pm


Ok back to 2022

Which FYE artists from 2022, with the exception of Eminem, do think will be on a ballot in the next 15 years?

I would say Fiona Apple, Erykah Badu, Matchbox Twenty, and Maxwell have the best shots with Slipknot and Nickelback being likely as well.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 04/27/2022 @ 20:24pm


Mat r,

I see a transition, as we move away from rock as the central focus of the voting body to more current trends, the pop stars that some hate to see will get some first year love.

I see potentially Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake (solo), Rihanna, Maroon 5, Imagine Dragons, 21 Pilots, and on and on...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 00:59am


K-Dawg,

Let's not get too carried away. The Hall probably feels very conflicted in where they are now. They still wanna honor the old and maybe the new. The future probably looks scary for them now that we are reaching 2000s era acts like Jay-Z, Eminem, Missy Elliott, OutKast, The White Stripes, Coldplay and more. Doesn't help they really need to rearrange their goals and goodwill with other people. The only people that respect them are the people of Ohio and that's super doubtful. Also try to keep your chin up man. You been sounding bitter lately. Bit worried for you :(

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 01:49am


K-Dawg,

Hey sometimes I'm as Old Rock as you get. Hey my fav band is the Who. The Who were inducted in 1990. And I love for instance Grateful Dead, Eric Clapton and Pink Floyd. They were inducted in due course. Those inductions were a long time ago. But like Plebeian says let's not get too carried away. The Hall probably feels very conflicted in where they are now. They still wanna honor the old and maybe the new. I mean Pete Townsend, E Clapton and Bob Weir are still alive and in the Voting Body.
They perhaps still Vote. All 3 would vote for Jethro Tull and Johnny Winter as examples. I have Johnny Winter as a prediction for Musical Excellence. The Old rock and earlier survives through Musical Excellence and Early Influence. I myself am diverse. I found it very nice when those like Micheal Jackson, Paul Simon, Talking Heads, the Pretenders, R.E.M., and in fact Madonna were inducted.
In any case Rock is doing fine in the Hall. There is nothing to be bitter about

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 04:23am


Troy Smith has posted his predictions for the 2022 inductee class. He says it's possible that the Rock Hall could induct 7 performers this year.

As for safe picks, they are: Eminem, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie, and Pat Benatar
His predictions for the last two are: Dolly Parton and A Tribe Called Quest

Source: https://twitter.com/troylsmith/status/1519354382785171457

Posted by Garrick on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 06:19am


All right. We're coming down to the wire, so here are my final predictions for this year's class:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Dionne Warwick
Judas Priest
A Tribe Called Quest

If 7, Dolly Parton

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 07:45am


K-Dawg

I largely agree especially as new rock acts start to dwindle. Yes there's White Stripes, Arcade Fire, and My Chemical Romance but you don't have many and rap in the early 2000s produced a lot of short lived careers. Pop stars had the longest and biggest shelf lives and most influential artists of the era. Poptimism also helps.

However, I'm curious how the hall handles the pop stars. Like Britney, as I've argued, should be seen as a total lock however because she's Britney and people often see her as manufactured and "not really an artist" I think the hall will skip her first year and probably need 2 or 3 nominations to get her in. Same with Rihanna, I don't think Kelly Clarkson, Katy Perry or Christina Aguilera will get in ever (however Miley might).

Groups and RnB pop are tricky but Maroon Five probably aren't gonna get in first year.

Alt pop too, I don't think Gorillaz, Albarn might need AME, Amy Winehouse, and St. Vincent will just walk in

The only real FYI I could see happening from pop in the 2023-32 span are Coldplay, Beyoncé, Legend, Timberlake, Keys, and Swift which I do think is above average.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 08:58am


I'm excited that we are almost to the finish line. Hopefully they will announce the inductees by the middle of next week.

I hope they induct at least 6 this year. I can't believe they would only do 5, unless they completely load up the side categories. 7 would be appropriate for this ballot.

I think about 8-9 acts have a really good shot to get in, and several more have an outside chance. Not easy to predict at all.

I'll probably second guess these by the afternoon, but here's my predictions as to who will be inducted. These are in order of likelihood.

1. Eminem: Biggie and Tupac got in first year. Eminem will as well. Easiest pick on the board.
2. Duran Duran: Will win the fan vote. Major 80s artist still creating popular music. They will get in.

3. Pat Benatar: Everyone thought she would waltz in a couple of years ago, including myself. I think this ballot puts her over the top.
4.Lionel Richie: Like many I would prefer to see the Commodores here. Lionel is a huge name and has many friends in the industry. I think he gets in.

5. Dolly Parton: She was a slam dunk until her statement. Will it matter? I honestly have no idea. I could see her getting enough votes and the hall simply keeping her out to avoid the headache. I think she still gets enough votes to get in, and I am predicting her.

6. RATM: This is where I lose all confidence. I think Eurythmics, Carly Simon and Judas Priest all have a legit chance here. But this is a good ballot for Rage to sneak in.

As for the rest, I think Kate Bush has a very small but legit chance, as do New York Dolls. I'm not convinced ATCQ will have enough support. The rest I just don't see this year.

Who do I think deserves to get in?
Judas Priest, Kate Bush, Beck, Eminem, New York Dolls and ATCQ.

Who are my personal favorites?
Kate Bush, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Pat Benatar, Beck and Carly Simon

Posted by remy10 on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 09:25am


remy10,

I just don't see it this year for either Dolly or Lionel, I think that if Dolly gets in this year, It will be either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence, rather than as a Performer. I think that her announcement about her bowing out of the race this year has really hurt her chances of getting in this year now, I think that voters will respect her decision and her wishes and not vote for her, I think the last thing the Rock Hall needs is another Todd Rundgren situation, The Hall doesn't want a potential inductee to not show up and perform at the ceremony. So inducting her as a Performer against her will would be a slap in the face. I think that they will either not induct her this year or induct her either as an Early Influence or as Musical Excellence this year.

Also, I think you're way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances this year as well, I just don't think that he's getting in this year like you're saying, Even though he is one of the biggest names on the ballot this year and is beloved and has huge name recognition and star power, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have went to his either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo as well, As I've said numerous times before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

Anyway, My final predictions for the 2022 inductees are:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest

If 8:

Dionne Warwick

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
Fela Kuti

Musical Excellence:

Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

I just don't see Dolly, Lionel, MC5 or New York Dolls ever getting nominated again, I think that Dolly, MC5 and New York Dolls will get in via the side categories eventually and I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own. Beck, Devo and Rage Against The Machine will all have to wait another year, which makes the only real Wild Card/Dark Horse/Spoiler I see being Kate Bush.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 09:52am


I don't know why people aren't rating Fela or Dionne here. Both likely did well last year with the voters last year and in the year since more people have likely looked into Fela, and learned he's uber influential and the pure embodiment of rock n roll, and Dionne Warwick continues to be the sentimental throwback. Both are also doing very well on the ballot tracker (both have as many or more votes than both Eminem, Duran Duran, and Judas Priest and Dionne is tied with Benatar for second atm). I feel these are two artists that are A LOT stronger candidates than people are giving them credit for. I could see one or both of them getting in over a Rage or even Tribe.

Now there is scandal of course. Fela was an AIDS denialist and Dionne questioned her place but others have questioned, admittedly in different ways, the Hall and gone in (Rundgren, Sex Pistols) and Freddie Mercury was an AIDS denialist and the Foo Fighters famously raised a ton of cash for AIDS denialism so neither alone seems likely to kill a bid.

Devo too, they've also got the Ohio links which museum figures would likely like.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 10:14am


mat r,

You ask a good question. I guess from my perspective, I see several other female artists more likely than Dionne. I think Pat and Dolly are much more likely, while Kate Bush, Carly Simon and Annie Lennox of Eurythmics also have a legit shot. I don't see Dionne scoring more votes than most of the above, and I think she would have to.

Maybe Fela has a chance but I don't believe so. World music is practically non-existent in the hall and I don't see it changing this year. He didn't get in last year and i don't see it this year. But who knows.

richie,

One point you make I just don't get. You say Lionel has a much better shot going in with the Commodores then by himself. I think that is completely off. If Spinners can't get in and Kool and the Gang can't get nominated, how do the Commodores rate as likely? I guess I just don't agree with that at all. I would certainly prefer the Commodores as a group, but Lionel is well-connected and regarded by the industry. I think he has a great shot although I don't think he is guaranteed.

You are welcome to reply to this but you really don't have to. I understand your opinion.

Posted by remy10 on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 11:22am


remy10

Fair but i think much of the same can be said of tribe and people, not you but others, are going gaga for them. She's proving a force atm and many seem to kind of dismiss her.

I'd also note she had the highest ranking recording on rolling stone's top 500 songs list of all acts.

And regarding fela, someone has to break international rock music proper (not just reggae) into the hall and if it's not serge Gainsbourg then it's probably fela. It seems a lot more voters know him tham expected. He might not make it but he might have a better shot than a lot of the big names.

Also agree on lionel vs commodores. The argue offered is usually the music is better but the hall doesn't care i think. Besides chic, spinners, war, rufus all couldn't get in and all are better than commodores.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 11:44am


remy10,

The reason why that I think that The Commodores are more likely than Lionel solo is because I believe they, along with Kool & The Gang, would be the only 70's/80's R&B/Soul/Funk/Disco acts that would get in FYN, because both groups would be an easier sell to the voting committee than The Spinners, Chaka/Rufus, War, etc. because of the huge number of hits that both groups had during that time period. So that's the reason why that I feel very strongly about The Commodores because if they ever got nominated, they would go right in FYN, as well as they should and Lionel would be in where he belongs (with The Commodores and not on his own).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 11:50am


Ronnie James Dio should be a logical Musical Excellence category selection. He was important in DIO, RAINBOW, and BLACK SABBATH. Great choice if Judas Priest falls short of Induction.
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 13:34pm


Mat R & K-Dawg,

Yeah, getting into the early-mid 2000s is going to be a really interesting period for the Hall since it was such a transitional period in hindsight. Tbh, it's actually a lot easier for me to pick out the artists from the 2010s that are or are not going to be major players for induction than it is for the 00s.

The 00s were such a weird period in that the straightforward rock acts that were big enough to have broad mainstream success were also generally critically maligned and don't have much of a legacy to speak of (aside from some bands that are already inducted like the Foo Fighters and Green Day), while a lot of the critically acclaimed rock acts were popular within a niche but not necessarily in the mainstream (Arcade Fire and much of the rest of the indie rock boom, a lot of the emo scene bands, etc.)

You could look to pop artists, and I think many of the pop artists that broke through after 2007 or so (your Swifts and Gagas and Rihannas) will breeze right in because they came up on a wave of poptimism, and didn't have as much of an uphill battle to have their music be considered "art" and worthy of recognition, but it remains to be seen how much that poptimist take will be applied looking backwards at the previous cohort of pop singers, Britney Spears and her contemporaries.

And for hip-hop, you're right in that there were a lot of rappers that only had a short period of impact, and few to the level that we've seen from the rappers that have been inducted. I think that Kanye is a given (at least based on his music career, who knows where the man will be personally five years from now), and aside from that the most significant possibilities are Missy Elliott, 50 Cent, Ludacris, Lil Wayne, but I'm not sure I see any of them getting in first year.

As for some of the artists that you have referenced:

Britney Spears - As said, very possible if the Hall is taking a revisionist view and not stuck in what the (flawed and often misogynistic) opinions of her music and persona were at the time.

Justin Timberlake (solo) - I'm less hot on his chances than some here. He was obviously huge, but his star has certainly fallen and I'm really not sure what his legacy will look like by the time he becomes eligible.

Rihanna - As said, I group her more with the early 2010s pop stars that already get a lot more respect than their predecessors. I think she gets in within her first few years eligible.

Maroon 5 - They strike me as the 00s/10s equivalent of like, the big arena rock bands of the 70s/80s. The same way that we're wondering now if they'll ever get around to Foreigner or Styx, we may be wondering if they'll ever get to Maroon 5 30 years from now.

Imagine Dragons - I think there's a higher likelihood that they get in than most other bands of the era (though I honestly can't stand this band and hope it never happens), but see arena rock comparison above. Maybe I'm just biased though.

21 Pilots - Probably not. They were big but seem to have fallen off and may be seen as kind of a flash in the pan in the future. There's still time for them to build a legacy though.

Artists that I think will be inducted in their first year eligible in the next decade:

2024 - The White Stripes, possibly Coldplay

2027 - possibly Alicia Keys

2028 - Rihanna, possibly Justin Timberlake

2029 - Kanye West, Beyonce, maybe Amy Winehouse

2032 - Taylor Swift

Posted by RG on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 13:39pm


Also, I think I'm ready to make my (almost) final predictions, given that we're nearing the end here. I reserve the right to change anything between now and the announcement, but here's what I'm thinking at the moment.

PERFORMERS:
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick
Duran Duran
Eminem
Lionel Richie
Pat Benatar

EARLY INFLUENCE:
Big Mama Thornton
MC5
DJ Kool Herc (if 3)

MUSICAL EXCELLENCE:
Chaka Khan
Carol Kaye
Ronnie James Dio (if 3)

I'm not gonna bother guessing on the Non-Performer category, because it's really just too broad.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 13:47pm


RG,

I think you're way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances this year, I just don't think that he's getting in this year like you're saying, Even though he is one of the biggest names on the ballot this year and is beloved and has huge name recognition and star power, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have went to either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo as well, As I've said it numerous times before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 14:11pm


Richie,

We all know your thoughts on Lionel Richie already, because you've posted them about 300 times.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 15:33pm


Rg

Yea the 2010s are easier to figure out than 2000 to 2006.

Rock was so weird in that the bands critics loves (eg microphones, sigur ros, modest mouse) had either minimal commercial success or one album that was successful while the big bands were either critically trashed and not taken seriously (eg nickelback, linkin park, blink 182) or subject of great backlash from rock....largely because of homophobia and dismissing teenage girls (eg my chemical romance, fallout boy, avril) or too scary and loud (eg system of the down, slipknot). There's garage revival but other than white stripes and maybe the strokes that pool isn't that deep and indie def would come off too record store nerd/fantano core elitist.

Rap had stars but it also had a ton of mostly guys with one album that sold a million units and spawned a #1 single then they never recorded again or never charted seriously again (eg. Chamillionaire) or became kind of punching bags and jokes (eg Ja Rule, Jadakiss). RnB too and as a result Jamie Foxx is one of the more seriously male RnB contenders from the 2000s.

We might see a year where like pink, nora jones, nickelback, sufjan stevens, lil john and the east side boys, and ludacris all end up on a ballot together just so the nomcom can figure out what voters might like so they can represent the 2000s.

Also you mention kanye, i really think he's gonna be somewhat blacklisted. He's reaching a point where i think people can't look at the art anymore and just feel deeply uncomfortable about the guy.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 15:45pm


Mat R,

There have been some tweets from that Rock Hall burner account on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1), and here are some of the tweets:

from April 17:

Depends if canadian classic rock fans are voting cause they usually vote guess who while americans are spread more thinly

from April 18:

Hip hop was literally born out of rnr music, it's the first child of rock n funk, Rap is a poetic approach to lyrics that dylan and reed used fairly often and was common in blues. Country is a complex topic but many artists (eg cash, brenda lee, jll) are to key to rnr history

2/ the relationship between rnr and country is deep. Rnr is somewhat an abandoned child of country, it embraces its blues and gospel roots more often but it wouldn't exist without country, and country would not have progresses without rnr

Early hip hop often used live drums and bass and a lot of hip hop is built on synthesizers by your logic here nin, who used the g numan idea of rnr without guitars, are not or barely are rnr rock is broad

Arguing with people who want to gatekeep rnr is always a laugh.

Abba shouldn't be in"

"Oh i guess we should kick simon and garfunkel and ricky nelson out"

from April 19:

No you claimed it was a hot 100 hall of fame. How does a fel kuti or rage against the machine or new york dolls or mc5 or devo fit a hot 100 hall of fame?

You've also argued rock n roll is a narrow term for guitar music but it historically wasn't by design. It's a big tent term meaning basically youthful danceable music.

Now, Are you the guy behind that Rock Hall burner account on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1) and Are you the guy that writes and sends these tweets?. I just want to know.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 16:25pm


Richie

Dude i told you like a week ago I'm not running that account. If i was it would be full of swearing about something more interesting

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 17:31pm


Mat R,

but I really think you are, because the posts that you send on here are pretty much the same on that Rock Hall burner account on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1). so I really think that you are running that burner account on Twitter.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 17:38pm


Riche

What are you talking about? I send long as hell rants and look up indie rock acts to comment on. Other than the guess who (which is a pretty easy thing to do if you're generalizing canadian classic rock fans) i don't think there's anything that's distinctly me there.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 18:04pm


Mat R,

I think that there's everything that's distinctly you there on that Rock Hall burner account on Twitter, I just have a gut feeling that you are the one running that Rock Hall burner account on Twitter.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 18:15pm


Mat R,

It's so hard to say with Kanye because of how unpredictable he is. If you're just judging by the musical merits, he's absolutely an FYE. But yes, from where we are now it does seem like his mental illness spiral and alienating everyone around him is only going to get worse from here, which does not bode well for the prospect of lifetime achievement awards anytime soon.

Richie,

You can't make accusations like that unless you have evidence more solid than vaguely similar sentiments. Otherwise, what you're doing is harassment and you need to stop.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 18:29pm


Since there's talk about the 2000's, I'm reminded of the list of biggest bands in the world for each year. Here's the enries from 2000-2009

2000: Radiohead, U2, Red Hot Chili Peppers
2001: Linkin Park, The Strokes, Dave Matthews Band
2002: System of a Down, Linkin Park, Coldplay
2003: The White Stripes, Linkin Park, Muse
2004: Green Day, Maroon 5, blink-182
2005: The Killers, Green Day, Coldplay, Gorillaz
2006: Fall Out Boy, RHCP, Panic! At The Disco
2007: Foo Fighters, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy
2008: Coldplay, Radiohead, Kings of Leon
2009; Paramore, Green Day, Florence + The Machine

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 18:31pm


Richie

Dude whatever you're not gonna believe me. I've also looked and it's cheering for devo (i hate devo for the most part) and doesn't give a shit about the side categories (i think those are interesting) so hey i guess that's proof it's not me but who cares am i right?

Why don't you just ask it. It seems to like interacting

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 18:31pm


The person behind the burner account is probably someone on the inside that wants to keep their identity a secret in fear of losing their job as a vote counter for the Rock Hall.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 18:36pm


Greg F,

I think that Rock Hall burner account on Twitter is run by a person, but it is fake. It isn't their picture or name. but it definitely is their ideas. A Twitter burner account is a fake account that you can set up to post offensive messages on Twitter. You can only reply to tweets that criticize their real identity and cannot see who is replying to you. So that Rock Hall burner account on Twitter is not real, so let's just stick to the public ballot tracker, I think that is more of an indicator of who will get in than that burner account.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/28/2022 @ 19:53pm


Well, voting is going to close in less than a day, so here are my final predictions of who will inducted:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick
(Fela Kuti could go either way; if they want to go with 7 inductees since it seems to have a lot of support than last year)

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 00:04am


Oh, and also Beck finally received [public] votes thanks to Joe and Kristen's call to voters on their latest episode of their podcast.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 00:11am


Today is April 29, 2022. It's good to see that Philip has finally given his preliminary opinion of the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog." Thank you, Philip.

With only hours left to go, until the fan vote poll is finished, I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for over 9 consecutive years. I am not going to mince words about this: Duran Duran definitely deserves to be inducted. If the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.'

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it just feels right. A week ago, I had watched their most recent interview on CBS Sunday Morning on YouTube. Count comthem in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. Their studio albums: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" (1983), "Touch" (1983), "Be Yourself Tonight" (1985), "Revenge" (1986), "Savage" (1987), "We Two Are One" (1989), "Greatest Hits" (1991) and "Peace" (1999) show a great deal of variation in their style. The Rock Hall appears to also love the Eurythmics. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I'Ve Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. If you want to check out how great Carly happens to be in concert, please watch her concert video "Carly Simon: Live from Martha's Vineyard," from 1987. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Many music critics have stated that inducting Lionel Richie as a solo artist had been the right move. Yes, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on her songs, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 04:10am


Mate why do you post the same huge posts every like 4 days, not adding anything to the conversation

Posted by DS on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 06:32am


Dolly says she'll show up looks like the Hall won't have to politic her out if she comes like 6th or 7th

Posted by mat r on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 08:56am


Also if we were going by the ballot tracker as of today the class would be

- A Tribe Called Quest
- Pat Benatar
- Dionne Warwick
- Judas Priest
- Fela Kuti
- Duran Duran
- Devo (if 7)

That would be a pretty good class but because 90% of the voters were media unlikely

Final predictions on performers

- Eminem
- Duran Duran
- Dionne Warwick
- Pat Benatar
- Judas Priest
- Fela Kuti
- Dolly Parton (if 7)

Posted by mat r on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 09:20am


Dolly now says she'll accept the honor gracefully, so with that news this morning, What are your official final predictions for the 2022 inductees (If we get 7 inductees)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 09:52am


My absolute final predictions for the 2022 inductees are:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest

If 8:

Dionne Warwick

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
Fela Kuti
Dolly Parton

Musical Excellence:

Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

Wild Cards: Dolly Parton as a Performer and Kate Bush.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 10:01am


Thoughts after poring over the large amount of posts on the past day:

richie, I don't think anyone here gives two fecal drops about the rock hall burner account. If its predictions turn out to be true, then maybe. Otherwise (and I know my disdain for Twitter and its lack of an attention span clouds judgment) it's just something created to stir people up, like a million trolls on the Internet

Enig, you are an awesome, knowledgeable dude, but leaving Eminem out because of your personal biases...I've never guaranteed someone will be inducted, but I have a feeling he's as airtight as anyone the past 36 years. I just don't see your predictions as absolutely how one believes because I can't see the Hall leaving him out this year

As to my predictions of who would be early inductees based on their eligibility, it's a crapshoot. The progressive movement is coming all at once, and the RRHOF committee has tried to prove the last few years that it is right up there with the current trends, sometimes to confusing proportions. It loves a good headliner, and this is a reason I feel that Britney, Justin, Rihanna and the others are very good candidates for if not FYE, then soon into their runs. Moreover, I'm going to throw out a person who I feel doesn't belong, but it would not surprise me at all to see her get some attention: Jennifer Lopez. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but if they keep wanting to highlight a superstar class to get attention and fanfare, she becomes a possibility.

If I sound bitter, I'm not so. I'm simply trying to read into where the Hall is going, and if I am annoyed by anything, it's that I'd rather have these announcements in September-December, instead of during all the other HOF announcements I follow. The way it was, filled out the schedule rather nicely, before baseball, football and basketball ramped up theirs, and WWE. Yes, I'm a HOF junkie lol. It seems we've had to wait much longer than usual to get the announcements for this class.

Again, on the last day of fan voting, my picks, which I've modified a couple times, but I'll still stand on:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Carly SImon
Lionel Richie
Pat Benatar

if 7, Judas Priest

Have a great day all!

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 10:16am


richie

I don't think they'd do Patsy and Dolly in the same year as early influence. also think they'll only do Dolly with the ballot.

Really can't convince you Dr. Dre is an awful ame pick this year? It screams cronyism, there's no rush for him, he's too big as an artist to go in that way without even being tested on the ballot, kind downgrades this iconic and powerful black artist to just being the guy who found a white guy. Overall not very sensible. If you wanna make a big deal of Eminem, Rakim or Jimmy Iovine (as non-performer) makes a ton of sense. And if you just want an L.A. rapper why not put in Ice-T? He's an influential big name who is unlikely to get in on the ballot. You also get to acknowledge Body Count so metal gets represented with him too.

Richie + K-Dawg

I really have a hard time seeing Carly getting in? I think she doesn't have the rocker vote or a sentimental vote and singersongwriters usually take a few nominations before going in. Imagine her going in on her first try when Carole and Joni took multiple nominations each. I don't see.

K-Dawg

Do you follow the Hockey Hall of Fame? People talk about Rock Hall snubs but have no idea how crazy the Hockey Hall snubs are I find. Also which does a better job in your opinion: Rock Hall or WWE Hall?

Posted by mat r on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 11:17am


K-Dawg,

This probably will be the year your "special guessing powers" streak will end. So far he has gotten 5 or 6 out 5 to 7 on the inductees. First time your lucky the next two years seem very much like a trend. Very interesting that you overlook such ones as obvious like Biggie and Radiohead in previous years.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 11:17am


Isn't today the day the Rock Hall's supposed to announce the inductees for the Class of 2022?

Posted by Johnny on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 11:28am


Johnny,

We're getting the announcement probably in next week or two weeks.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 11:37am


"Special guessing powers"? When did I say I ever had those lol?

As far as overlooking Biggie or Radiohead, I think I'm missing something? Plebeian, I'm not following your posts towards me some lately because I feel like you have some axe to grind or something...if there's something I said that got under your skin, it wasn't my intention. I honestly don't understand where some of your statements are coming from...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 11:52am


K-Dawg,

Just being playful man no need to get hostile. I just think it's very coincidental that you predictions seem to align with the Hall's actual class (mostly). Hence I'm joking, I don't think you have any supernatural fortune telling. On Biggie and Radiohead, I just found it surprising you skipped on them their respective class despite that everyone was predicting them to get in. The bitterness part was that I made an assumption you seemed grumpy as you started ending your posts with "….." lately after saying what you have to say. We're still good man. :)

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 12:11pm


My thoughts on this year's nominees based on how much chances for this year.

Who will be the inductees:

1. Eminem - 100% lock & sure thing for induction.

2. A Tribe Called Quest - Another one who would take 'LL Cool J's spot for induction.

3. Duran Duran - So much hype & trending themes that it worked for most recent acts like The Go Go's, Tina Turner & Foo Fighters & it certainly will do DD a favor for induction this year.

4. Judas Priest - Randy Rhoads being inducted last year pretty much is a sign that we'll finally get to see metal acts being inducted as performers & Priest will be the top choice.

5. Pat Benatar - This year would be her makeup following her outrageous snub in 2020.

6. Dolly Parton - Ok her declining the nomination may hurt her chances but despite what she said she may be one of them this year. UPDATE: She actually will accept her possible induction.

Wild Card:

7. Rage Against the Machine - If they do 7 performers then it's likely going to go with RATM mostly because it's their 4th nomination & I don't see them being passed over again in favor of such 60's & 70's acts waiting for their call.

The ones who won't be the inductees:

8. Eurythmics - Another deserving entry but the ballot is way crowded & harder so they might need one more shot to earn it.

9. Devo - In the next few years, the Hall is most likely going to induct them through the side categories just like they did with Kraftwerk last year mostly because most of the general public knows them by that one song.

10. Kate Bush - see "Devo' above.

11. Fela Kuti - Very influential to such honorees as Peter Gabriel, Talking Heads & Paul Simon, however the Hall purely induct acts that have success in the U.S & he doesn't have a lot of it so he'll be inducted through Early Influence or Musical Excellence.

12. MC5 - The more they keep getting nominated, it's further hurting their chances & it's their 6th nomination so it's likely they're going to be heading to the "Kraftwerk" route.

13. New York Dolls - They haven't exhausted their nominations pretty much like MC5 did & despite that, it's another band that's going to that route!

14. Dionne Warwick - I don't mind seeing her inducted but there hasn't been a 60's act that got inducted since 2019 & the Hall is completely done with honoring the 60's as performers since then so she might be considered for Early Influence.

15. Beck - Another deserving entry but if Radiohead couldn't get inducted on their first try then he will wait until most of 90's indie artists got nominated & inducted as well.

16. Lionel Richie - Induct him with the Commodores then will might focus on his solo career.

17. Carly Simon - Carole King got inducted last year but that's not an guarantee. Simon hasn't had a lot of hype in the long time & given the fact that most of her contemporaries took 2 to 3 tries to get in prices that she'll have to wait for next year to get the honor.

These are my final predictions & I'll be taking a few days off until the announcement of inductees coming soon.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 12:20pm


Johnny,

They usually announce the inductees a few days after the voting ends so we'll be hearing like next week.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 12:23pm


Ellipses are an interesting tool. They can express feelings...or open the door for continuing thoughts...

As far as my predictions go, I follow trends. This is why I keep to Carly Simon being inducted. We will see if I'm right. Lionel Richie much for the same reasons. The Hall thinks they can do this, and if he gets inducted, it gives them an excuse to potentially throw the Commodores in with the Meters, Spinners, Ohio Players and Kool and the Gang as groups they completely passed over in the pastures of the bigger shinier 80s ;P

No offense taken, and none intended. Banter never communicates well over text lol.

Any contempt I have is saved for worthy targets, like rock purists (ones who can't get past their hair that is, and caps to me have become one of the most offending things on the Internet)

I am so glad the fan vote is ending today, so at least it's a milestone so we can finally get the inductees.

And mat R, I don't follow the hockey hall of fame now so much, but I did get to see Marion Hossa in his minor league hockey days. My knowledge of the sport has waned over the years. And now that baseball is back, and the NFL draft happened, good luck with any extra attention

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 12:26pm


Here's how I would rank the 2022 nominees in order of likelihood of getting in this year and they are (Updated):

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Pat Benatar
4. Carly Simon
5. Eurythmics
6. Judas Priest
7. A Tribe Called Quest
8. Dionne Warwick
9. Dolly Parton
10. Kate Bush
11. Rage Against The Machine
12. Beck
13. Devo
14. New York Dolls
15. Lionel Richie
16. MC5
17. Fela Kuti

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 12:35pm


Jordan Einstein

I don't think we can say the hall is outright done honouring the 60s. Tina, while solo debut in the 70s and a giant in the 80s, was very much had a 60s hangover vibe to her induction cause she'd been a star since the 60s.

I think with the 60s it's a case of a big enough 60s act getting on ballot then the age 65+ voter core will probably push them in. Not to mention people like cher, willie, and guess who, who most agree would likely walk in if put on a ballot, are still out there and have a similar 60s vibe to tina.

That said a nomination for say the troogs or strawberry alarm clock would probably fall flat

It's just a matter of if the nomcom feels they should nominate them which for some (cher) is likely

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 15:35pm


Commenting on the public vote tracker:

If you look at the most recent vote tallies, something that I've always maintained is obvious, that is, the public vote tracker is for the most part not very helpful in figuring out who the final vote will go to. Some of the artists who were lagging in the vote tallies earlier, are now very close to the front runners. Of the 47 ballots released (out of 1200+ potential ballots), ATCQ is in the lead with 21, but there are 11 other artists who are within 10 votes of that lead.

It makes sense to me that those who choose to release the results of their votes do it for a reason. One reason would be to try to convince others to vote for who their selections as part of a bandwagon effect. There are nominees on the list who have varying degrees of "coolness", and my guess is that the artists who aren't thought to be as "cool" will do better in the final tallies than their public votes reflect. I would include Duran Duran, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon, and Eurythmics, all of whom I think are "cool" in their own way, as artists who would get a higher percentage of votes when the confidentiality of the voter is maintained.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 15:58pm


K-Dawg,

Your predictions for the 2019 inductees were:

The Cure
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies

You got 5 of the 6 correct that year (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks and The Zombies), missing only Radiohead and Roxy Music.

Your predictions for the 2020 inductees were:

Pat Benatar
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Whitney Houston
Nine Inch Nails
T. Rex

Kraftwerk if 7

You got 5 of the 7 correct that year (Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails and T. Rex), missing only The Notorious B.I.G.

Your predictions for the 2021 inductees were:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Carole King
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner

You got all 6 correct last year.

and now, Your predictions for the 2022 inductees are:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Judas Priest if 7

Now, based on recent history, I think you will either get 5 of the 7 correct, 6 of the 7 correct or all 7 correct this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 15:58pm


I dont ever remember saying trex would get in lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 18:13pm


I think that the following scenarios are the most likely scenarios when the 2022 inductees are announced next week:

Scenario #1:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest

If 8:

Dionne Warwick

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Estelle Axton

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
Fela Kuti
Dolly Parton

Musical Excellence:

Dr. Dre
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

Scenario #2:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

If 8:

Dionne Warwick

Early Influence:

Patsy Cline
MC5

Musical Excellence:

Chaka Khan

Scenario #3:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Rage Against The Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

If 8:

A Tribe Called Quest

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

David Foster

Early Influence:

MC5

Musical Excellence:

Lemmy Kilmister
Dolly Parton

I think that these are the most likely scenarios when the 2022 inductees are announced next week.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 20:27pm


Richie, as you well know, I prefer Scenarios #1 OR #2. Both involve Judas Priest getting into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

Enough said?

Posted by Johnny on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 21:05pm


Richie

Why david foster? He's a fair choice but an odd one because he's better known for his adult contemporary/rnb era in the 90s and even among the Canadians he's like the #4 producer (behind bob erzin, bob rock, daniel lanois) but still a very fair pick. I dunno just seems random bur fair.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 21:15pm


Nick Bambach has announced his 2022 Rock Hall predictions.
They are:
- Eminem
- Duran Duran
- Pat Benatar
- Dolly Parton
- Carly Simon
- Judas Priest
If 7:
- Eurythmics
Source: https://www.audiovisualrepository.com/blog/rockhall2022classpredictions

Posted by Garrick on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 23:04pm


Only four predictions this year compared to last year's 13! I blame the burner.

Anyway, so far and the newest edition of Follower's Roundup:

4 predictions for Eminem, Duran Duran, and Dolly Parton

3 predictions for Pat Benetar, Lionel Richie, and Carly Simon

2 predictions for Lionel Richie and Eurythmics

1 prediction each for Rage Against The Machine (Troy) Judas Priest (Nick), and Dionne Warwick (AlexVoltaire)

0 Predictions for Everyone Else

Tom also predicted a side category for New York Dolls, MC5, Fela Kuti or Dolly Parton.

Predictors: Troy L. Smith, Tom Lane, Nick D. Bambach, AlexVoltaire.

Have the other 11 made predictions without me noticing? What's Joe from Who Cares? Prediction. Or Charles Crossley, Michelle Bourg, Eric Layton, or Donnie Durham?

And let's hope Philip gets his predictions out in time.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 23:36pm


As someone who knows most of the names you mentioned, I'll tell you that the burner account has nothing to do these RHWs delaying or not doing nominations this year. Rather, it's quite simple: we're all pretty busy with work, family and life in general.

On a side note, what is the legitimacy of this burner account? It doesn't have any credibility as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by Nick B. on Friday, 04/29/2022 @ 23:58pm


I think Jokes can often get confusing with text only. It never does well in text. I just want to say I enjoy diversity. The Who, E Clapton, Gr Dead,, Steely Dan Moody Blues, Yes, etc etc but I also like my share of Earth, Wind & Fire, Bill Withers, Tina Turner and the Commodores, etc.
Also Carly Simon one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' Haven't Got Time for the Pain" ''Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I've Always Heard It Should Be". Also, 'Nobody Does It Better,' is Good. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it makes sense to have Carly Simon inducted.
As far as Lionel Richie- It's true The Commodores have not yet been inducted. Instead, a guy who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous honors which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the great Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, etc. Many music critics have stated that inducting Lionel Richie as a solo artist had been the right move. I am very sure that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.Sadly it gives them an excuse to potentially throw the Commodores in with the Meters, Spinners, Ohio Players and Kool and the Gang as groups they completely passed over for the 80s. But Lionel Richie is almost a lock to me.

I think the announcement of the true official inductees for 2022 will be soon. I would think it's a full announcement that includes not just Performers but also Special Categories.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 05:16am


Ben,

I still think you're way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances this year, I just don't think that he's getting in this year like you've been saying, Even though he is one of the biggest names on the ballot this year and is beloved and has huge name recognition and star power, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have went to either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo as well, As I've said it numerous times before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 09:17am


I'm thinking we'll see a smallish side categories class. Last year was largely meant to celebrate getting back to live events and to get LL in. I think we might see 2 or 3 Early influence inductees but probably not 3 AME and maybe no Ahmet Prize

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 10:08am


Ok, most of y'all are cool. But 2 things:

Forget the burner account. This thing was written up by some joker who has too much time on their hands. Even if they turn out to be right, it's a big waste of time to talk about it. Although I will admit, the ridiculously long amount of time we are waiting for induction announcements is fully reasonable to dabble in arcane topics.

Secondly, Lionel Richie is one of my picks to get in the Hall. Richie, you're a great guy, but you've said about 4 trillion times in your diatribe how you think he isn't getting in. We know your opinion. If he does get inducted, you'd better be prepared to eat a ton of crow...

Happy Saturday all!

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 10:46am


K-Dawg, Ben, Jordan Einstein, Mat R, Richie, etc.,

Screw it, going back to my original predictions.

1. Eminem
2. Judas Priest
3. Pat Benatar
4. Duran Duran
5. Rage Against The Machine
6. Carly Simon
7. A Tribe Called Quest

Tired of that burner account and the voting tracker is that a tracker, not a guarantee indicator.

Richie,

My predictions record for 2020 and 2021 were:

2020:
Pat Benatar
Nine Inch Nails
Dave Matthews Band
Whitney Houston
Doobie Brothers
Biggie Smalls
T. Rex

2021:
Tina Turner
Carole King
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
The Go-Go's
New York Dolls
Todd Rundgren

Let's see if I'm good or not

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 11:55am


I'm now following that burner account on Twitter and they said this yesterday:

971 of 1237 returned

I commented on that post and I got a reply back this morning, Here's what they said:

Unsure of ranking atm. there has been a notably shift that'll be diverse. seems duran r safe. Print validation mite knock someone out. a good number asked for 24 hours to resubmit cause dolly yesterday

Like 17 people i think want to recast and that depending who they cut 2 of the top 7 could be bounced

They also said this this morning:

Some interesting shifts gonna make internet go ekkkkkkkkkk like every year. White guys might be ok hard to tell #RockHall2022

Let's say depending on the cut off it's both a class where guys in their 50s and 60s will be "alright this is fine" and also "where's the rock?"

Depends on what they do with a few emails that came yesterday that wanna be recast cause of a certain someone. Bubble is tight

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 12:56pm


Today is April 30, 2022. It's good to see that Philip has finally given his preliminary opinion of the 2022 Rock Hall Nominees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog." Hopefully, Philip will have time to give us his predictions soon. Thank you, Philip.

The fan vote poll is now finally finished. I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this entire decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for over 9 consecutive years. I am not going to mince words about this: Duran Duran definitely deserves to be inducted. If the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.' Thank you fan poll voters for voting for Duran Duran every day.

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it just feels right. A week ago, I had watched their most recent interview on CBS Sunday Morning on YouTube. Count comthem in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. Their studio albums: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" (1983), "Touch" (1983), "Be Yourself Tonight" (1985), "Revenge" (1986), "Savage" (1987), "We Two Are One" (1989), "Greatest Hits" (1991) and "Peace" (1999) show a great deal of variation in their style. The Rock Hall appears to also love the Eurythmics. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I'Ve Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. If you want to check out how great Carly happens to be in concert, please watch her concert video "Carly Simon: Live from Martha's Vineyard," from 1987. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Many music critics have stated that inducting Lionel Richie as a solo artist had been the right move. Yes, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on her songs, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!

I am going to reiterate this once more: Under no circumstances whatsoever, should Dr. Dre ever be given an award for Musical Excellence, period! That is a complete affront to anyone who has ever taken the time to master their musical instrument!

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 14:12pm


Screw it, I'm going to change my predictions. And no, this isn't in relation to the burner account, it's more in relation to the Dolly news.

I'll go with 7 this year due Dolly's last minute change of heart and know that some voters might want to change their votes even though it ended:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 16:23pm


richie,

I guess it was inevitable you would address me too about your Lionel Richie opinion. I do actually like the Commodores more than Lionel Richie style. But with all the focus on the 80s the Hall decided on Lionel Richie solo. Richie, you're a cool guy. I support you but you've said a few trillion times that he is not getting in. We know your opinion. What I am going to do is Not mention Lionel Richie anymore until the announcement of the actual 2022 inductees. What do you do if he gets inducted? That's it for me on Lionel Richie. I am very sure he is inducted. Take care

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 18:20pm


My official final predictions for the 2022 inductees are:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Wild Cards: Dionne Warwick, A Tribe Called Quest, Rage Against The Machine and Beck.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 18:23pm


According to that burner account on Twitter, Here's what it stands in terms of getting in this year:

Safe: Eminem, Duran Duran

Pretty Safe: Judas Priest, A Tribe Called Quest, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick

Maybe Safe: Dolly Parton, Carly Simon

Can't Take A Hit: Rage Against The Machine, Fela Kuti

Dead: Devo, Kate Bush, Beck, MC5, New York Dolls

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 21:14pm


Richie

What do safe and dead mean?

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 21:30pm


Mat R,

Richie's leaving out some context - the burner is saying that the ballots are in and the current process is disqualifying any ballots that are invalid for whatever reason. The tiers listed are of how many ballots each artist can stand to lose in the disqualifying process and still have a shot of getting in. Eminem and Duran Duran seem to be getting in no matter what, while the Dead tier is out of the running entirely. The pretty safe tier are all close and can lose a decent amount of ballots without dropping off, induction will mainly depend on the order in which they finish. The maybe safe tier can only lose a few ballots, and could still get in if several artists from the pretty safe tier drop, or in Dolly's case, if voters who requested to switch their vote back to her last minute are able to do so. The can't take a hit tier are technically still in the running, but would have to not really lose any ballots while several of the artists above them lose a bunch. At least that's my take on a fairly confusingly worded post.

Also worth noting that Troy Smith is interacting with this account as if it is potentially real, so if the main beat reporter for the institution isn't dismissing it outright…

Posted by RG on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 22:42pm


RG and Mat R,

I think the Safe (Eminem, Duran Duran), Pretty Safe (Judas Priest, A Tribe Called Quest, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick) and Maybe Safe (Dolly Parton and Carly Simon) tiers mean they all have a real shot of getting in this year and we could be looking at a pretty big class this year.

I think the Can't Take A Hit (Rage Against The Machine and Fela Kuti) tier means they're not likely to get in this year and the Dead (Devo, Kate Bush, Beck, MC5 and New York Dolls) tier means they're not getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 22:56pm


RG

Oh shit re Troy. I know this site and the who cares pod are aware and unsure of the account. Maybe he's just curious about it and trying to figure it out cause it's kinda dead season but I would have guessed he could request comment about it from the hall and get something like "the ballots are not being counted"

Has this thing ever said why it's doing this or given reason why it has any info? Like why go from rankings to a tier list? Has it given predictions?

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 04/30/2022 @ 23:45pm


RG, mat r

When Troy asked about the burner account on what the final results might look like, the account responded that (at least with older Rock Hall voters) it's a mix of "Yeah that'll do" and "Where is the rock?" on the potential inductees.

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 05/1/2022 @ 00:52am


Ben,

What happened to those great debates that we used to have a few years ago? I really miss the input of Will
N., Eric T., Philip, Paul in KY and you, amongst others. Of course, I have been extremely busy with work for the past several years, but I am now finding more creative outlets with cooking websites, including "Burning Cereal" on YouTube and supporting new prog artists like Wobbler and of course, tuning into the Sea of Tranquility website on YouTube, for several of their shows, as well as listening to Mary & Eric's "Hall Watchers" Podcast.

Well, what do you think?!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05/1/2022 @ 05:53am


Enig,

Yeah I see what you mean. We had great debates. Yeah Will N just like fell off the face of the earth right now. Philip, Paul in KY are around but Not debating as much. Terrific knowledge of Rock. Jazz fusion and some Heavy Metal. We did debate Eminem. LOL. But my knowledge is so lacking with him. My fiancee's Nephews know him. I include people I don't know or personally like for myself. After all wayy back in Rock history there was the legendary Jim Morrison with the Doors!
Overall I think it's the Pandemic that threw things off. It changed the entire schedule for announcements and Ceremonies. That is a factor beyond the music. It affected the scheduling and people themselves. We do Not know the health status of all the FRL regulars.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/1/2022 @ 06:21am


Mat,

Theyve never said why or obviously who they are. Re rankings to tier list, the believer in me thinks it's because the votes are very much in flux during this part of the process, so a general range is a more useful answer than a specific ranking. Worth noting though that the order that the artists were listed in the tiers might be the current ranking, it lines up for the most part with the rankings this account has given before. The skeptic in me thinks it's so the burner can give a vague enough answer that they can claim credibility even if what they're saying doesn't line up with the actual induction.

It hasn't specifically given predictions, but has editorialized in some of its comments.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 05/1/2022 @ 06:37am


RG, John R.C. and Mat R,

I think that all of the artists in the Safe (Eminem, Duran Duran), Pretty Safe (Judas Priest, A Tribe Called Quest, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick) and Maybe Safe (Dolly Parton, Carly Simon) tiers won't lose a lot of votes, so I think that the final tallies have been counted and they are letting the inductees know by now, especially with the inductees being announced this week.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/1/2022 @ 08:06am


We aren't terrible now. I will admit, there's been a preoccupied bunch of talk about this burner account, but I think the debates will return once the inductees are announced

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 05/1/2022 @ 12:43pm


Ok so my final predictions are:
Eminem
Duran Duran
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar
A Tribe Called Quest
If 6 Eurythmics
If 7 Beck

Posted by Raichu on Sunday, 05/1/2022 @ 18:34pm


Hey Enig, Ben, et al.

Thanks for the kind words. As you know, I work for USPS, and the pandemic made us stupid busy. Insane. Especially because I work in an area where Amazon was not yet delivering their own parcels. 11 hours has been the definition of a short day since lockdown. Heck, this past New Year's Eve was a sixteen hour day. And my closing supervisor didn't realize I was still out there, getting back just before 11PM. Anyway, that's where I've been, though I try to post on my blog once in awhile. Speaking of which, I do have my predictions *almost* ready to post. I just have to proofread and edit it. Do the fine-tuning, as it were. I may not be a professional, but I do at least try to give the appearance of one... sometimes. Anyway, with luck, I'll be done shortly.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 05/1/2022 @ 20:12pm


Anyone have a guess for when the inductees will be announced?

Posted by Raichu on Monday, 05/2/2022 @ 08:34am


The 2022 inductees will be announced this Wednesday, May 4.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/2/2022 @ 08:42am


With the announcement of this year's class of HOF inductees coming on the 4th, I'm presenting my final list of who I think should get in, WILL get in, and will have to wait either next time or not at all (like stop nominating them).

First, the SHOULD:

Eminem - probably the most surefire bet of anyone on this list and the second pick of the fan vote, I just can't see him NOT getting in. He released albums that are in the best-of lists, same with songs, and his influence on rap, not just on fellow white emcees but on rap in general, is enough for induction. As someone said, this would help clear the surefire bet of inducting big-name rappers (Pac, BIG, Jay, etc.) His induction will open the door for NAS to finally break in through a nomination list next year.

Duran Duran - the number one act on the fan vote. They were also MTV darlings during the channel's early years (1981-85). The induction of Depeche Mode opened the door for the Durans to be nominated and inducted respectively. They definitely deserved to be inducted and rightfully so definitely for songs such as "Hungry Like the Wolf", "Rio" and "Notorious" (their late 1980s comeback effort).

Pat Benatar - number three on the fan vote list. I know some have criticism about Pat's chances but I think she's well deserved especially after the Go-Go's got in. Pat shares in common with Duran Duran of being an early MTV favorite (1981-85). One of the most diverse voices in all of hard rock, Pat was definitely an early 1980s rock icon in my eyes. Pat's entry will definitely open the door for the often maligned Cyndi Lauper to get inside.

Eurythmics - Much like Duran Duran and Pat, they were MTV darlings during the early MTV years (for them, 1983-86). Sweet Dreams is an undeniable classic and they had other great hits. Plus, Annie Lennox was basically Lady Gaga before Lady Gaga. I definitely think they deserve induction. Whether or not they actually get in this year... well wait until I explain that. They also placed fourth on the list above Dolly Parton after Dolly's bruhaha about if she considered herself not worthy on the list, which goes in...

Dolly Parton - one of the most famous names on this list (probably most famous but that's arguable but in terms of women? Yes, the most famous female name on here). Lots have criticized her nomination thinking she has no rock credentials, something she herself agreed with. She also felt her name distracted from other important names on the list (I'm guessing she means people like Pat, Dionne Warwick and Kate Bush). But here's where she is wrong: she IS important as a crossover superstar. She definitely reined in her country credentials but she definitely is a little bit rock and roll herself especially due to influence (White Stripes being one big example). Parton also penned one of the greatest songs of the rock era (I Will Always Love You sung effortlessly by 2020 RRHOF inductee Whitney Houston). Just due to this, she should get in but her bow down from the list may play a part in her possibly not joining the list of inductees.

Judas Priest - in terms of their importance to heavy metal, they would seem to be a surefire bet but this is their third runaround and usually when you're constantly nominated and not in, it's always due to some barrier. Plus the heavy prejudice IMHO of metal acts not in the Hall doesn't seem to wanna be fixed. But still, it would be important for one of the biggest acts of 1980s heavy metal to finally join the inductee list this year or next...or maybe the year after that?

Lionel Richie - I wonder if the fact that his name is the way it is is why our Richie is always saying he won't get in. Maybe that's just his opinion but I honestly think Lionel definitely has enough credentials to get in. Like Dolly, he is a big name, like Dolly, he is a crossover phenomenon and like Dolly - and other nominees like Carly Simon, he is an accomplished singer-songwriter. Plus, he was a Motown artist and usually that is almost a surefire way in the door by itself. More VH1 than MTV but still huge enough to match himself with Michael Jackson and Prince as one of the leading black male forces of 1980s pop-soul. Lionel's induction would open the door for George Michael, another 80s legend whose career eclipsed that of his group (in Lionel's case, the Commodores). Due to all of that, they definitely should get in.

Dionne Warwick - the nominee who goes back further than all of the artists on the list (her debut solo record came out in 1962, Dolly Parton was about 16 at the time), her influence on pop-soul and R&B is huge. Between 1962 and 1987, she and Aretha Franklin were among the two leading women on the Billboard charts. From Don't Make Me Over to Anyone Who Had a Heart to Walk on By to You'll Never Get to Heaven to Message to Michael to Alfie to I Say a Little Prayer, she was one of the best interpreters of 1960s pop alongside 1999 RRHOF inductee Dusty Springfield IMHO. An induction for her would open doors for Patti LaBelle, Vandross (as mentioned before with Richie) and even helped Chaka Khan's chances of getting in increased. Also the fact that she's Whitney Houston's elder cousin probably helps her.

A Tribe Called Quest - amazingly enough, after the inductions of Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five (2007), Run-DMC (2009), Beastie Boys (2012) and N.W.A (2016), there hasn't been a rap group inductee since but ATCQ could change that. They were probably even more influential to rap and hip-hop than Eminem. They were originally part of the conscious hip-hop movement of the late 1980s and early 1990s but have shown they could adapt to changes in the industry. An induction for them will be the opener for rap groups such as Outkast and Salt-n-Pepa to be recognized.

Now for the ones who I think WILL get in:

Eminem - duh. I doubt the HOF would want to ruffle the feathers of Slim Shady's fans by excluding him from the induction list. It would be like not inducting Jay-Z (who got in last year).

Duran Duran - I can't see them being the Dave Matthews Band of 2022. For starters, the nomination of DMB confused many voters and the press. Them not being inducted after going number one will probably not bode well for any other obscure act where category is difficult to figure out. Duran Duran doesn't have that issue and I doubt the HOF would do to them what they did to Dave Matthews.

Pat Benatar - this is her year. She had to suffer in 2020 being nominated with Whitney Houston. That likely killed any chance for her to get in. I don't think she has such an issue this year. People cite her being nominated with the likes of Dolly, Dionne, Kate Bush and Carly Simon but I honestly feel she'll go through this time. I just have that feeling she will! And if I'm wrong, well, there's always 2023! But I do think she'll get in this time.

Judas Priest - they suffered enough! Just get them the induction trophies already. I feel they just might due to some of the group's health issues (Rob Halford's recent cancer diagnosis).

Lionel Richie - I have a feeling Dolly Parton's bowing out earlier opened the door further to Lionel, who was like the third biggest name on this list. Also he's gotten honors such as the Gershwin Prize and the Kennedy Center Honor and is a Songwriters Hall of Fame inductee. Only thing that could probably block him is Dionne. Speaking of...

Dionne Warwick - I think it's clear Dionne could get in. Now whether it be as a performer or under the Musical Excellence category will be the real question come Wednesday. Also, the issue with Dolly Parton opened the door for Dionne, who herself didn't feel she was "rock" but she was important to the development of rock and roll (as opposed to rock). Soul and R&B music has had difficulty getting in until recently and I do think it's possible for two soul-adjacent acts to get in. But I do think she's a safe bet for the sixth slot.

Possible seventh inductee:
A Tribe Called Quest - another one where no one is sure if they get in would it be as performer or under the ME group but it could be possible that either of these options could win out on Wednesday, a repeat of a more recent rap act getting in with a rap act from further in the past getting in the other way (Jay-Z and LL Cool J last year). If they just go with the six above, ATCQ would be getting in "through the back door". If not, this is your seventh inductee.

Now for those that won't get in RIGHT NOW:
Eurythmics - I feel with Pat and Duran Duran in the way, this leaves behind Eurythmics to fight it another year. Annie & Dave definitely deserves induction though and it's unfortunate I had to kick them out. I constantly voted for them during the fan vote but I think in terms of how these things work, I can't see it for them this year. And if Cyndi gets nominated next year, that's another barrier for them to overcome.

Carly Simon - people think she's a surefire bet in, I don't. She has more than just Dolly, Dionne and Pat to contend with, she also has to contend with three other singer-songwriters: Kate Bush, Beck and Lionel Richie. And that definitely makes it difficult for her to get over. Carole King didn't have such an issue when she was nominated and neither did Stevie Nicks in 2019 but with four other women nominated (including Annie as a fifth), Carly is left out. But don't count her out. I can see an entry for her in 2023. You will see her again.

Kate Bush - similar to Carly, she has an uphill battle to climb. Too many women and I can't see them inducting more than two women right now. I think she'll be back again but when is anyone's guess.

DEVO - the most unfortunate act on this list. It's possible they could get a backdoor induction like fellow techno pioneers Kraftwerk just so they can get them out of the way but that remains to be seen especially if Dionne or ATCQ gets in through ME. They'll be back for more and more bruising.

Rage Against the Machine - Bandmate Tom Morello is a voting member of the RRHOF and has probably campaigned harder for Judas Priest to get in and I think he'll make sure Judas gets in before he pushes for his own band to finally get in. Look for RATM again in 2023 as likely inductees (unless Soundgarden gets another chance).

Fela Kuti - people were stunned when he didn't get in despite finishing strong in a previous fan vote prior to the recent one. This recent fan vote however went horribly for him. But I won't count him out. I could see him getting in through the back door, whether it be ME or Early Influence like Kraftwerk did.

Beck - Beck is a dark horse. He may shock everyone by getting in but I can't see it especially with two possible '90s acts (Eminem and ATCQ) getting in before him. But he'll be back for 2023...and he'll likely be in that year.

New York Dolls - no doubt the induction of fellow one-album wonder the Sex Pistols (though technically the NYD have released at least four albums) as well as the recent inductions of Roxy Music, T Rex and their first producer Todd Rundgren opened the door for one of the most flamboyant and in-your-face glam punk acts in music. I could say they have a chance in hell but it's obvious they're very influential. They brought glam rock back to America and opened the door for KISS. Their first album is considered a rock classic. But there's a lot against them that I can't see them getting in this year. I think the HOF will try again with the Dolls, when is anyone's guess.

For those who have a chance in hell of getting in:
MC5 - for the last time, stop nominating them! I don't get when so many other '60s/'70s groups that haven't gotten in yet that have yet to be nominated again or for the first time (Spinners, Bad Company, Marvelettes, Procol Harum, Shangri-Las!), what is in it for the MC5 to get in? Little Steven has to stop with this fantasy: MC5 ain't getting in. EVER.

The DOLLY problem:
Dolly Parton might or might not be a RRHOF inductee this year. Where is anyone's guess. But I do think people will either make her the biggest name not inducted or get in some other way. It might be controversial but I put her in a box by herself cause I'm not sure how this will be solved. She may definitely get nominated again if she's passed over this year. I just didn't get the gist that she'll be inducted this year. But I won't be shocked if she is, especially if she splits the vote with either Dionne or Pat.

Final choices (by alphabetical order):
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Lionel Richie
Dionne Warwick

If seven: A Tribe Called Quest

Whoever gets in the Musical Excellence category is anyone's guess and will they try the Early Influence induction this year? Who the heck knows?

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 05/2/2022 @ 10:04am


Timothy Pernell,

I think you're way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances this year, I just don't think that he's getting in this year like you're saying, Even though he is one of the biggest names on the ballot this year and is beloved and has huge name recognition and star power, I feel that his spot on the ballot this year really should have went to either his former group The Commodores or another big Pop Star from the 80's and 90's like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Gloria Estefan or Mariah Carey because they're all much more deserving of induction than Lionel solo and all of them have stronger HOF cases than Lionel solo as well, As I've said it numerous times before, I think that Lionel stands a much better chance of getting in with The Commodores than on his own.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/2/2022 @ 10:16am


I'm going to go out on a limb and say that based on the burner account on Twitter and the fact that they're in the Safe, Pretty Safe and Maybe Safe tiers, 10 acts will get in this year and they are:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/2/2022 @ 10:34am


Richie

No chance they do 10 performers.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 05/2/2022 @ 11:27am


Mat R,

But You never know, Stranger things have always happened, like for instinct, for the 2019 class, Nobody expected to see 7 Performers get in that year and Nobody predicted 7 inductees that year as well, so you just never know.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/2/2022 @ 11:51am


I guess it looks like Duran Duran based on them promoting the announcement that their fan club president will do on May 4

Posted by jay kay on Monday, 05/2/2022 @ 14:00pm


Here's who I think will get announced as the 2022 inductees on Wednesday:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Judas Priest
Carly Simon

If 7: Dolly Parton

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/2/2022 @ 15:08pm


Someone here mentioned that Jethro Tull is never nominated because they are never interested. An artist has to be interested in order to be nominated. The reason Jethro Tull is never interested is because no one worthy is ever inducted.

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 03:32am


Ok. There is No way they do 10 performers. For one thing the Ceremony would be tremendously long. Also the side categories are expanded now. But 7 performers could happen and probably will. It's very cool that the announcement is May 4. I'll chat with people after the announcement. Hey all the back and forth bantering of the same things will end. I will Not mention specifics. We know what they are. The talk of the official inductees will get rather repetitive but at least Inductees will be set. Most of you saw my Predictions list for 2022. See you in the Inductee forum. Take care all

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 05:26am


I guess I'll do some predictions. This is who I think the Hall will induct:

Eminem
Duran Duran
A Tribe Called Quest
Carly Simon
Dolly Parton
Lionel Ritchie (If Six)
Dionne Warwick (If Seven)

Here's who I would vote for if I had a vote:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Judas Priest
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick
Pat Benatar (If Six)
Kate Bush (If Seven)

I will note that my predictions generally suck.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 06:36am


Ben:

Mathematically, I think ten inductees would be impossible. If I'm not mistaken (and I'm sure someone here will correct me if I am), any particular act has to appear on more than half of the returned ballots to be inducted. We'll assume, for this argument, that 500 ballots are returned (the actual number of returned ballots is irrelevant; this formula works regardless of the number of ballots returned). Each of those ballots has a maximum of five votes, for a grand total of 2500. An act needs to appear on more than half the ballots--or 251 of them--to be inducted. Simple math would state that would allow only 9.96 (and change) acts to each accumulate 251 votes of the 2500 available.

Of course, if the requirement is that the act has to appear on AT LEAST half the returned ballots, then ten inductees would be possible. Remote, but possible.

Posted by Joe S. on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 07:43am


Joe,

I'm pretty sure that the "artist has to appear on 50%+1 ballots" rule is not a thing with this institution, though I also could be wrong. Do you have a source for this rule? That said, 10 inductees isn't happening, especially while they're trying to make efficient use of the side categories and while they have to produce a ceremony for television that comes in under four hours. Richie just misinterpreted a confusingly worded post from our potential leaker and ran with it, as he does.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 08:26am


Joe S.,

According to that burner account on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Rockhallbuurner1), 971 of 1237 ballots were returned this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 08:28am


Alright, y'all. Less than 24 hours to go. Here are my final predictions:

PERFORMERS
1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Pat Benatar
4. Lionel Richie
5. Judas Priest
6. A Tribe Called Quest

If there's a 7th, I think it will be Dolly Parton.

I am also much less confident about this prediction than I was about my accurate call for last years inductees. I think that Eminem and Duran Duran are obviously safe, but any of the other four slots could be filled by Dionne Warwick, Carly Simon, Dolly Parton, or Eurythmics and I wouldn't be too shocked.

EARLY INFLUENCE
1. Big Mama Thornton
If 2, MC5
If 3, DJ Kool Herc

MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
1. Chaka Khan
If 2, Carol Kaye
If 3, Ronnie James Dio

Not predicting Non-Performer

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 08:33am


According to that burner account on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/1520565564653068288), Here's what it stands in terms of getting in this year from 971 out 1237 ballots returned:

Safe: Eminem, Duran Duran
Pretty Safe: Judas Priest, A Tribe Called Quest, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick
Maybe Safe: Dolly Parton, Carly Simon
Can't Take A Hit: Rage Against The Machine, Fela Kuti
Dead: Devo, Kate Bush, Beck, MC5, New York Dolls

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 08:52am


Here's all the predictions for the 2022 inductees made by Rock Hall watchers so far and they are:

Tom Lane: Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest and Dionne Warwick.

Nick Bambach and Philip (both have the same prediction): Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon.

Charles Crossley Jr. and AlexVoltaire (both have the same prediction as well): Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick.

Future Rock Legends: Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Judas Priest, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick.

Jason Voigt: Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon.

Now, Out of all of the predictions made by Rock Hall watchers so far, Which one do you think is the most likely scenario when the 2022 inductees are announced tomorrow?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 09:05am


Calling it

Slim, duran duran, pat, judas priest, dionne, fela (the upset) and maybe lionel

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 09:29am


Mat R,

According to that burner account on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/1520565564653068288), Here's what it stands in terms of getting in this year from 971 out of 1237 ballots returned:

Safe: Eminem, Duran Duran
Pretty Safe: Judas Priest, A Tribe Called Quest, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick
Maybe Safe: Dolly Parton, Carly Simon
Can't Take A Hit: Rage Against The Machine, Fela Kuti
Dead: Devo, Kate Bush, Beck, MC5, New York Dolls

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 09:38am


Are we sure they're going to announce it tomorrow? Has it been verified?

My FINAL predictions are as follows:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Lionel Richie

if 7, Judas Priest
if 8 (highly unlikely), A Tribe Called Quest

Nominees who get side inductions: Fela Kuti, Dionne Warwick, MC5

Yes, I expanded it a little bit, but I didn't think they'd do it last year, and Kraftwerk and LL got slid in the side door, so...it's a precedent that's been established

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 09:52am


Also, Richie,

Where are FRL's predictions listed at? Usually it's at the top of this page, but it's just their poll and a chart of nominees...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 09:54am


K-Dawg,

Yes it's verified. Tomorrow 8 am ET, announced by the halls official social media channels

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 10:19am


Casper,

Time to do your thing, buddy. Who are we getting? LOL

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 10:45am


K-Dawg,

Casper was the one to figure it out, but it's actually pretty easy to do on your own. Just go to the URLs for each nominee late tonight and take note of which ones are still active or have been taken down. I'll be doing this later and would be happy to post what I find.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 11:07am


I think the inductees will once again be leaked this year, but I just have a gut feeling that the Rock Hall burner account on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1) will be the one that leaks the inductees this year because of what they said this morning:

https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/1521515967930634240

3 acts have been informed 3 more are waiting approval (aka paperwork) 1 is being debated still cause people are dumb and votes are tight between 7 and 8 so probably only 6 will go in. everything i'm told is a mess at the bottom. 39 ballots dq

The drop from 6 to 7 and 8 is big enough to justify not doing it however 7 is apparently well liked

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 11:11am


Nick, FLR, Philip, Jason, and Charles now are accounted for in the roundup!

Anyway, so far and the newest edition of Follower's Roundup:

7 predictions for Duran Duran, Pat Benetar, and Eminem

6 predictions for Carly Simon. FLR is the holdout. (The burner says she did poorly, so I guess it really doesn't matter to the predictors.)

5 predictions for Dolly Parton.

4 predictions for Eurythmics, Dione Warwick, Judas Priest, Lionel Richie

1 prediction each for A Tribe Called Quest (Troy)

0 Predictions for Everyone Else, although some have predicted a side door induction for MC5 or Dolly.

Predictors: Troy L. Smith, Tom Lane, Nick D. Bambach, AlexVoltaire, Charles Crossley Jr., Philip, FLR, and Jason Voight.

Predictors that skipped out this year for whatever reason: E-Rockracy, The Music Zamboni, Donnie Durham, Michelle Bourg, and Who Cares About The Rock Hall?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 13:56pm


Hopefully the burner's indication will be correct and there will be 7. Even though the gap isn't the snall enough to justify seven, whoever placed 7th being well-liked enough may put the Hall in pressure to induct them.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 14:14pm


If Dolly Parton ends up with the seventh-most votes, then, yes, seven should be inducted. :-)

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 16:40pm


I just have a gut feeling that these are the final vote tallies according to a post by that burner account on Twitter a few days ago on Saturday that they were in the Safe, Pretty Safe, Maybe Safe, Can't Take A Hit and Dead tiers (https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1/status/1520565564653068288):

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Judas Priest
4. A Tribe Called Quest
5. Pat Benatar
6. Eurythmics
7. Lionel Richie
8. Dionne Warwick
9. Dolly Parton
10. Carly Simon
11. Rage Against The Machine
12. Fela Kuti
13. Devo
14. Kate Bush
15. Beck
16. MC5
17. New York Dolls

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 16:52pm


In previous years, we spent the last day with fun scenarios, discussing all kinds of factors.

This year, it's been hijacked by the "burner" account on Twitter. This day has been quiet beyond a few good posts. It's taken some of the fun out of the last hours before the inductions are announced. While it's great to have leaks, I hate Twitter...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 17:22pm


K-Dawg

Yo let's forget the burner. Who does everyone want to induct each artist?

:)

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 17:34pm


Guys troy smith has the list it seems

'Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 announced tomorrow morning. All I can say is this year's class is…interesting! LOL #RockHall2022'

It's must be bonkers

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 17:43pm


Mat,

He may be a bit overexposed right now, but I think Pete Davidson inducting Eminem could actually be fun as hell.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 17:46pm


6:55 and no leak yet.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 17:55pm


Rg

I do think he is overexposed but ngl that is a good pick

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 18:02pm


Maybe I'll flood my ears with some Duran Duran, followed by some Eurythmics. They are the 2 artists I really want to see inducted, personal faves. There are others, but these are major omissions.

Judas Priest would be the biggest barrier breaker, I feel, but I'm more of a fan of Iron Maiden, and Pantera by proxy.

What acts are you most wanting to see inducted, from a personal favorite standpoint or a wall knocked down in the RRHOF?

I will admit, I'm a child of the 80s and 90s, but the 90s acts aren't my most favorites this year.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 18:18pm


Personally, the acts that I want to see inducted this year are Eminem and A Tribe Called Quest.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 18:29pm


Man, Tribe getting in would be the coolest thing this institution has done in a long time

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 18:36pm


RG and K-Dawg,

I would love Priest to get in. Tribe being the cool ones like T-Rex and Roxy Music from previous years would also be great. Rage too as I still love them (maybe the only one on this forum) and probably my top 5 favorite 90s rock bands. Also Eminem but he is such a given that I don't have to worry about him. Give me something left field!

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 18:55pm


Sorry I have not been able to get a post in these replies recently. Before tomorrow's announcement, here is who I think gets inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Eminem
Duran Duran
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Eurythmics
A Tribe Called Quest

I base this on the following reasons: Eminem is a lock, Duran Duran won the fan vote, Dolly Parton I think has been made aware of an inevitable induction (hence her recent comments on accepting the award if inducted); Carly Simon got in through our most recent Revisited/Projected class, Lionel Richie has like Dolly Parton a Kennedy Center Honor and continued presence on TV, the Eurythmics are the likely seventh pick and a potential tiebreaker; and A Tribe Called Quest has won the Hall Tracker vote.

Anxious for tomorrow,

Lax39

Posted by Lax39 on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 19:48pm


I'm going to post my final predictions again since I'm both scared and excited about the announcement due to Troy's tweet:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Dolly Parton
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick

Posted by Snob-Ra (formerly known as John R.C.) on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 20:28pm


Troy seemingly confirmed that Eminem is getting inducted after replying to a fan on Twitter when they got worried about his chances.

https://twitter.com/troylsmith/status/1521660743606837248?s=21&t=vURSs31rvtbRO8KVuCr7JQ

Posted by Snob-Ra on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 20:46pm


Is it time to do the URL thing at the Hall's website?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 21:37pm


Follower,

I think that the inductees will be leaked once again this year, but I just have a gut feeling that the burner account on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Rockhallburner1) will be the one that leaks the inductees this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 21:43pm


Follower

Just checked the url trick earlier. All of the nominee pages are gone, but all of the are also error 403. Looks like the Hall's website people known our trick.

I think we'll wait for Casper if he can find another way to get early access.

Posted by Snob-Ra on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 21:53pm


All of them are 404's right now except for Priest and Pat.

Remind me how you do this again? https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/(insertnominehere) ? or is there a different way?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:02pm


I've done similar tricks in the past to the ones Casper has done; but I tried every trick I can think of to "hack" clues off the Rock Hall site without success today. They likely finally have the site on a proper modern CMS(Content Management System) which would allow them to make changes on an offline copy of the site before posting the updates to the live site.

At this point I'm predicting: Duran Duran, Eminem, Judas Priest, Pat Benatar, Lionel Richie, and Dionne Warwick. Early Influence: MC5, Harry Belafonte; Musical Excellence: Chaka Khan, The Wailers; Ahmet Ertegun Award: Michael Lang

Predictions for possible people to do induction speeches for each of the performer nominees if they were to be inducted:
Beck - Dust Brothers
Duran Duran - P!nk
Eminem - Dr Dre
Dolly Parton - Jack White
Lionel Richie - John Legend
Carly Simon - James Taylor
A Tribe Called Quest - Queen Latifah
Pat Benatar - Kelly Clarkson
Eurythmics - Sting
Fela Kuti - Herbie Hancock
Dionne Warwick - Elvis Costello
Kate Bush - Peter Gabriel
Devo - Les Claypool
Judas Priest - Kirk Hammett
New York Dolls - Slash
Rage Against The Machine - Chuck D
MC5 - Patti Smith

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:04pm


Also, Eddie Trunk usually jumps the gun by making vague statements about tye inductee announcement whenever an act or two he likes makes it in. Last year, he made hints about Randy Rhoads getting inducted.

Today, he didn't made any statements about inductee announcement. But I could be wrong and maybe Judas Priest is in.

Posted by Snob-Ra on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:11pm


Current members of the Top 5 in the fan vote without induction club:

Judas Priest
Dave Matthews Band
Pat Benatar
Soundgarden
Iron Maiden
Fela Kuti

Eurythmics and Dolly Parton might join this group, making it 7-8. Priest and Pat have been in the top 5 twice.

It's possible that Dolly and Fela will get side door inductions.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:13pm


The burner just said Priest and Pat got in. If burner is right, then it's those two along with Duran Duran and Eminem.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:14pm


i decided to check inductee urls cause someone said to watch those. all bring up 'page not found'....except pat benatar and judas priest who result in 'access denied'

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/judas-priest

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/pat-benatar

vs

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/beck

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/dolly-parton

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:15pm


Snob-Ra,

Eddie is on the Closer To The Edge cruise ship right now, so that's why he hasn't made a statement yet.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:16pm


Follower

Did he just say that? Cause URLs are updating as I just mentioned.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:17pm


Yes. burner said those two alongside DD and "basehead" (whoever that is) and that they don't know the others.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:21pm


"Basehead" is a reference to the lyric…

"Slim Shady, you a basehead"

Posted by Snob-Ra on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:32pm


I remember when Stevie Ray Vaughan was nominated, they changed the fan poll so that it said Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble. I've always thought that indicated he was going to be inducted.

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 22:50pm


Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem and Judas Priest all redirect to an Access Denied page.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/3/2022 @ 23:50pm


Which other acts redirect to an Access Denied page besides Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem and Judas Priest?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:00am


DENIED LIST
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest

BROKEN LIST
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Devo
A Tribe Called Quest
New York Dolls
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
Duran Duran
MC5
Rage Against the Machine

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:08am


They all say 404 error except for Pat Benatar and Juduas Priest page which says access denied

Posted by jay kay on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:09am


Eminem is also a broken link.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:09am


https://www.rockhall.com/duran-duran

https://www.rockhall.com/eminem-xreld

Both of them now redirect to a 403 Access Denied page.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:13am


richie nope he 404s with the inductee add-on. you're looking at the nominee link try with inductee

examples

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/eminem (this is a 404 - page not found)

while this is a 403 (access denied)

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/pat-benatar

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:23am


Burner account said that they're waiting for #5 and #6 to come through. Although I think they should know by now if Troy got the final list already.

Also, they mentioned the fact that Judas Priest, MC5, and DEVO campaigned for votes, but only Priest got it right and got lucky.

Posted by Snob-Ra on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:31am


Mat R,

Which other acts redirect to an Access Denied page besides Pat Benatar and Judas Priest.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:32am


Richie

No one yet

Also can someone just ask the account who or what it is? They have produced a lot of info and called for priest. Also said 6 not 7 and lacked access to side categories

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:35am


I tried clicking on three of the inductee pages (Pat Benatar, Devo, MC5--I tried to pick them randomly). All gave me the same "403 Access Denied" page.

Maybe we'll have to actually wait until 8 am to know the nominees. Good night, everyone!

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:42am


That Burner account got on my nerves lol

Anyway, no leak. I think the only inductees we know for sure at this point are Duran Duran and Eminem. We'll see who else gets through Wednesday morning. :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:44am


Imma guess the burner won't give a full list but there are gonna only be 6 inductees (like it said) judas priest will be one (like it said). It'll them go quiet and be a mystery for a full year only to be annoying next year and no one will know if to reject it or not cause it knew how many and broke priest and i guess benatar

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:48am


FYI, it seems like all the nominees are leading to 403s now. Also, I'm going to say a potentially controversial option: I'm hesitant to put my faith in the burner account. It seems like their acknowledgement of Pat Benatar and Judas Priest came after the 403s were noted, and Duran Duran and Eminem were already likely. Again, I'd be fine with being proven wrong, I'm just skeptical. We'll just have to wait and see.

Posted by Casual Lurker on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:52am


Yeah, at this point I trust Troy more than the burner account because at least it looks like Troy (and also Andy Greene of Rolling Stone) got the full list already while the burner account only gives us bread crumbs. And considering that Troy said this year's class is "interesting", it makes more sense to leak the final list now because it sounds exciting to see if it's really "interesting".

And yeah, Duran Duran and Eminem are the only ones who feel "semi-confirmed" at this point.

Posted by Snob-Ra on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:56am


I'm with you CL. I think Burner knows as much as we do. He ain't part of us and he seems to operate under his own thumb. Who knows where he came from? LOL

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 00:58am


Today is May 4, 2022. The announcement of the 2022 Rock Hall Induction Class of now only hours away.

It's good to see that Philip has finally given his list of the probable 2022 Rock Hall Inductees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's Blog. I know that this had been quite difficult. Thank you, Philip.

The fan vote poll and Rock Hall voters' tallies are now finally finished. I will reiterate that I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this entire decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for over 9 consecutive years. I am not going to mince words about this: Duran Duran definitely deserves to be inducted. If the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.' Thank you fan poll voters for voting for Duran Duran every day.

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it just feels right. A week ago, I had watched their most recent interview on CBS Sunday Morning on YouTube. Count comthem in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. Their studio albums: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" (1983), "Touch" (1983), "Be Yourself Tonight" (1985), "Revenge" (1986), "Savage" (1987), "We Two Are One" (1989), "Greatest Hits" (1991) and "Peace" (1999) show a great deal of variation in their style. The Rock Hall appears to also love the Eurythmics. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I've Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. If you want to check out how great Carly happens to be in concert, please watch her concert video "Carly Simon: Live from Martha's Vineyard," from 1987. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Many music critics have stated that inducting Lionel Richie as a solo artist had been the right move. Yes, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on her songs, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!

I am going to reiterate this once more: Under no circumstances whatsoever, should Dr. Dre ever be given an award for Musical Excellence, period! That is a complete affront to anyone who has ever taken the time to absolutely master their musical instrument! No!!!

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 04:06am


Today is May 4, 2022. The announcement of the 2022 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Class is now only hours away.

It's good to see that Philip has finally given his list of the probable 2022 Rock Hall Inductees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's" Blog. I know that this had been really quite difficult. Thank you, Philip.

The fan vote poll and Rock Hall voters' tallies are now finally finished. I will reiterate that I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this entire decade. Therefore, here are my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for over 9 consecutive years. I am not going to mince words about this: Duran Duran definitely deserves to be inducted. If the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.' Thank you fan poll voters for voting for Duran Duran every day.

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also.

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it just feels right. A week ago, I had watched their most recent interview on CBS Sunday Morning on YouTube. Count comthem in, also.

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. Their studio albums: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" (1983), "Touch" (1983), "Be Yourself Tonight" (1985), "Revenge" (1986), "Savage" (1987), "We Two Are One" (1989), "Greatest Hits" (1991) and "Peace" (1999) show a great deal of variation in their style. The Rock Hall appears to also love the Eurythmics. Count them in.

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I've Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. If you want to check out how great Carly happens to be in concert, please watch her concert video "Carly Simon: Live from Martha's Vineyard," from 1987. Count her in.

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Many music critics have stated that inducting Lionel Richie as a solo artist had been the right move. Yes, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022.

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on her songs, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be!

I am going to reiterate this once more: Under no circumstances whatsoever, should Dr. Dre ever be given an award for Musical Excellence, period! That would be a complete affront to anyone who has ever taken the time to absolutely master their musical instrument! No!!!

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 04:12am


Enig, I think you need to stop posting the same things over and over again. That's what I think.

Posted by Johnny on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 05:55am


Agree with Johnny, Enig. Need to stop the repeated cut & pastes (or repeated typing out the exact same thing) multiple times.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 06:33am


Got them all right except two. Happily stunned that Eurythmics are in. I kept voting for them constantly! :D
Might be the first time in the history of the fan vote that every artist that won the top five was inducted! Guess Dolly saying she'll accept it should've been a big get about her induction. :) I don't know about y'all but I'm pleased. :)

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Posted by Charles Silva on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 22:36pm


Rap: Sugarhill Gang
Pop: Backstreet Boys
Modern Rock: Soundgarden
Classic Rock: Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Modern Metal: Anthrax
Classic Metal: Iron Maiden
Modern Alternative: Coldplay
Classic Alternative: Devo
Modern Soul: Diana Ross
Classic Soul: Lou Rawls
Sixties Oldies: Herman's Hermits
Fifties Oldies: The Diamonds
World: Fela Kuti
Blues: Johnny Winter
Folk: Peter, Paul, and Mary
Songwriter: Jim Croce
Country: Alison Krauss
Jazz: Donald Fagen
AME: Chubby Checker
Early Influence: Big Mama Thornton
Nonperformer: Ed Sullivan

Posted by Garrus on Tuesday, 09/6/2022 @ 03:22am


3 questions I'm curious to hear people's answers on

1) Can another metal act get in via the vote without a struggle?
- In recent years, and after the quick entrances for Metallica and Guns N Roses, the Hall has seemingly been more friendly to heavy metal. Def Leppard and Bon Jovi got in and proto metal act Deep Purple got it and there have also been nominations for several key acts since. However, Judas Priest failed to get in on the vote and after 3 nominations were given the AME, Rage Against the Machine haven't gotten in after 4 nominations, and Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, Soundgarden, and Iron Maiden also failed. Given JP's failure to get in when they were arguably the biggest "classic rock" act on the ballot and Rage seemingly entering the same struggle as Black Sabbath, it's starting to look like metal from here on out will be struggling despite the Hall's new found fondness.

2) How will indie music continue to find its way in?
- To date, three indie acts (REM, The Smiths and The Replacements) have been nominated and the one that truly went major label and arena selling in the US (REM) is the only one to get in. The Hall is now well into the age of indie (everyone from Sonic Youth to Ariel Pink is eligible) and the biggest names (such as White Stripes and LCD Soundsystem) are becoming eligible. There's a minimal foundation for the genre at the moment creating two paths: Jump straight to more of those who joined the majors (eg Wilco, The Strokes) or try and get an outright indie act (like say Pixies or Liz Phair) in first.

3) Is 80s rap done on the ballot?
- LL Cool J failed to get in with 7 nominations, what are the odds a Salt-N-Peppa or Ice T or Eric B and Rakim have of succeeding with the voters? The Hall has been very star focused with rap and very cautious about how many acts they want to put forth. Is the 80s done on the ballot?

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 09/6/2022 @ 11:44am


Mat,
Here's my answer to the questions:
Each of them will have their due once every 10,000 years when the purging of the nominee committee is complete

FR tho, it's all pretty much down to the voters, which means theres gonna be struggles but eventually these important acts will get in. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later.

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 09/6/2022 @ 13:40pm


KING 2022-2023 RRHOF Nominations (20). The Final 20 Nominee List in October.
A Quick KING 20.
1. Kool & The Gang
2. Scorpions
3. Mariah Carey
4. Smashing Pumpkins
5. DEVO
6. Lenny Kravitz
7. INXS
8. Bad Company
9. Kate Bush
10. Soundgarden
11. Bryan Adams
12. A Tribe Called Quest
13. The Bangles
14. Diana Ross
15. Motley Crue
16. Phil Collins
17. Gram/Emmylou
18. The Smiths
19. Iron Maiden
20. Salt N Pepa

I think this is a pretty solid 20. Ozzy Osbourne could be on my final list. He could be 1 of the metal Nominations. In the news plenty this year. He has name recognition and might be able to earn induction. Phil Collins springs to mind as 1 of the 2x Inductees. He delivered plenty of songs in the 1980's and 1990's. It might be his time. Might put The B-52s or Cyndi Lauper on my final list in October. It seems the RRHOF would like to give Kate Bush another nomination. I could see DEVO finally earning induction with a clearer path. Scorpions could be a perfect Nominee for metal or Classic Rock. I think it might be their time as well. Could see Gram Parsons receiving another nomination. I hope the time for MC5 is over. They received enough chances. Amy Grant could also be a Wild Card pick as Christian and Pop star. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 09/6/2022 @ 14:09pm


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