Okay they really need to just change the name to the Music Hall of Fame and give up the rock and roll thing.

Posted by Brian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:09am

Damn this batch is looking good. Very surprised The Monkees and Meat Loaf didn't make it, tho I feel like The Monkees are gonna get in on the side. Everyone knew Eminem and Pat Benatar were gonna be on there. Interesting to see Dolly Parton on there, same with Lionel Richie and Carly Simion. This is gonna be good

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:13am

The biggest surprise for me is A Tribe Called Quest! One of my favorite Hip Hop artists of all time.

This ballot is very competitive, but here's my early prediction:

Judas Priest (I'm seeing a trend of "3rd times a charm" in recent years, and this is their 3rd nomination)
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:16am

Do they just have a dartboard with all these names and decide them that way? Why do some like Fela Kuti get a second crack immediately while others like Iron Maiden don't? Why is MC5 getting a sixth chance but bands like Boston have never made the ballot? Why did it take so long for Duran Duran to even make the ballot? Why is Eminem getting nominated and almost certainly inducted when he doesn't really fit in the rock banner? And how are massively influential bands like Motorhead not even nominated?

Posted by Brian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:18am

Dolly Parton was the surprise for me. I realize the pressure to include women (or acts led by a woman), but Willie Nelson arguably would have been a more logical choice, even if Parton is currently second (to Pat Benatar) in the fan poll. Otherwise, an interesting list: Six female-led acts, seven new inductees, and four each second- and third-time inductees. And apparently Judas Priest didn't do as badly in the prior votes as we were led to believe, or the R&R HoF wouldn't keep nominating them.

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:31am

Quite a list. I'm excited about it.
First thing I noticed was how almost everyone from last year's ballot repeated. Only Iron Maiden (switched with Judas Priest), Chaka Khan (Musical Excellence in waiting) and Mary J. Blige did not repeat. I'm assuming last year's ballot was very deliberate and is showing the top priorities for the nominating committee.
More to come later. Always excited to read everyone's impressions.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:39am

....and the nominees are...

A Tribe Called Quest - a rap act that I actually like, (Dr. Dre, OutKast, Snoop Dogg, Salt-N-Pepa skipped over??)
Beck - He's not a "Loser", but he's not getting in...
Carly Simon - only 26 years late!! I think she'll get in...
Devo - "Whip It" hugely influential, but not enough to get in, IMO
Dionne Warwick - The soft trend continues, but can't argue with her hits. Has a shot this year.
Dolly Parton - ...and here starts the country trend(opens door for Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, Kenny Rogers)
Duran Duran - 16 years late, MTV 80s movement, should get in
Eminem - A rapper/ huge pop first year eligible ...a shoe-in
Eurythmics - The 80s New Wave/Dance door is open, might be last in or just miss...
Fela Cuti - No disrespect, but if I don't know a single song, neither will 99% of fans(if they matter)
Judas Priest - If you think they don't deserve to be in, "You've Got Another Thing Coming", might sneak in this year
Kate Bush - If might take several years of "Running Up That Hill" for her...
Lionel Richie - If it was the Pop Music HOF, he would've been in 15 years ago, but can't ignore writing a #1 hit 8 years in a row(1978-1985), though. Will get in eventually
MC5 - Outside of "Kick Out The Jams", I don't know a single song
New York Dolls - Influential, but no pop hits, see Fela Cuti, MC5
Pat Benatar - Has to get in this time, doesn't she??
Rage Against The Machine - Best chance to get in is this year, My 2nd favorite band of the 90s, after Nirvana...

I only guessed 6 right.. but I like the surprises....

Posted by Paul Battaglia on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:44am

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

OFFICIAL FAN VOTE LEADERBOARD - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

VOTE HERE - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/

AND HERE - https://futurerocklegends.com/2022_Nominees/

Dolly Parton
Dionne Warwick
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
New York Dolls
Judas Priest
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
A Tribe Called Quest
Rage Against The Machine
Eminem
Beck
Devo
MC5

Rock Hall of Fame: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Duran Duran Lead Nominees
Beck, Pat Benatar, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Devo, and Judas Priest are also on the ballot
[url]https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rock-hall-of-fame-eminem-dolly-parton-lionel-richie-duran-duran-1293580/[/url]

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Reveals 2022 Nominees
Several of the 17 names are first-time nominees, including a hip-hop heavyweight who scores a nom in his first year of eligibility.
[url]https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/rock-roll-hall-fame-2022-nominees-1235026206/[/url]

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:54am

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

OFFICIAL FAN VOTE LEADERBOARD - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/results/

VOTE HERE - https://vote.rockhall.com/en/

AND HERE - https://futurerocklegends.com/2022_Nominees/

Dolly Parton
Dionne Warwick
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
New York Dolls
Judas Priest
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
A Tribe Called Quest
Rage Against The Machine
Eminem
Beck
Devo
MC5

Rock Hall of Fame: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Duran Duran Lead Nominees
Beck, Pat Benatar, Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Devo, and Judas Priest are also on the ballot
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rock-hall-of-fame-eminem-dolly-parton-lionel-richie-duran-duran-1293580/

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Reveals 2022 Nominees
Several of the 17 names are first-time nominees, including a hip-hop heavyweight who scores a nom in his first year of eligibility.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/rock-roll-hall-fame-2022-nominees-1235026206/

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 07:56am

This is a pretty good looking list. I'd have liked a couple more first-timers instead of some of the repeat nominees, but that's a minor detail. Super glad to see Beck and Duran Duran get their first nominations. I had predicted Beck every year before this year and finally gave up, so of course he gets the nom now. Love seeing Dolly and Tribe on the list, but I'd have rather had the Commodores get nominated than Lionel as a solo artist.

Disappointing omissions: The Monkees (if they didn't make it this year, they're never making it), The B-52's (would've rather seen them than Eurythmics), Salt-N-Pepa (I think they get in if nominated)

My super early guess at induction chances (assuming 6 performer inductees):

Eminem-99.9999...%
Dolly Parton-70%
Pat Benatar-60%
Duran Duran-55%
Carly Simon-50%
Judas Priest-40%
Lionel Richie-35%
Rage Against The Machine-35%
Beck-30%
Fela Kuti-25%
Dionne Warwick-20%
New York Dolls-20%
Kate Bush-15%
The MC5-15%
Devo-10%
Eurythmics-10%
A Tribe Called Quest-10%

I think this ballot will result in a few more female inductees, but it feels like it's going to be a pretty white class.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:00am

No Jan & Dean
No Monkees
No Jethro Tull
No King Crimson
No Kool & The Gang
No Commodores

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:01am

What a crop!

Only sure fire is Eminem.

Gonna need to process myself a little bit about this ballot.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:02am

What a crop!

Only sure fire is Eminem.

Gonna need to process myself a little bit about this ballot.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:10am

Duran Duran! Finally. Good year for them. Their new record is fantastic and has gotten a bit of buzz. Two things on them. First, great to see them finally nominated. Secondly, really happy they included Warren Cuccurullo. Definitely need the original five members, but Cuccurullo really helped keep them alive throughout the late 80's and 1990's.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:40am

I'm glad my Beck prediction came true, same with my Fela Kuti one. Besides them and the ones mostly everyone knew would get the nom again (Benetar, Priest, Eminem, Rage, Duran Duran), my predictions kinda bombed. Oh well, better luck next year.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 08:52am

Here's the current standings in the online fan vote:

17. Fela Kuti
16. MC5
15. A Tribe Called Quest
14. Kate Bush
13. Beck
12. New York Dolls
11. Dionne Warwick
10. Devo
9. Rage Against The Machine
8. Eminem
7. Lionel Richie
6. Judas Priest
5. Carly Simon
4. Eurythmics
3. Duran Duran
2. Dolly Parton
1. Pat Benatar

Now, Here's my prediction on who gets inducted this year:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Dionne Warwick

As much as I love Lionel Richie, I just don't think he's HOF worthy on his own, I feel that he should have been nominated with The Commodores instead of his solo career, Yes, he's beloved, but I feel that there are other Male Pop stars from that era that are more deserving of an induction than Lionel solo like Phil Collins and George Michael, so for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I think he'll get in with The Commodores eventually, but not for his solo career.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:04am

I have a feeling Nigeria is gonna boost Fela Kuti to the top like last year. Still don't know if that will help him get in, but it'll be fun to watch.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:14am

I ended up predicting 8 nominees correctly: Eminem, Duran Duran, Carly Simon, RATM, Judas Priest, Kate Bush, Pat Benatar, Fela Kuti. Better than I usually do, but I'm sure others got a lot more right.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:31am

I know that some people might find this difficult, but how can you leave THE MONKEES out???? After Michael Nesmith's passing, the crying and weeping from the rock public was pretty nauseating. He was a member of a band, that, although put together for a TV show, put out some damn good records, some of which we still are listening to today!!!!


MC 5? Judas Priest? New York Dolls???

All good bands, but they have no lasting impact on any music today....They are very limited in scope. THE MONKEES had a tremendous amount of play with help from some damned good writers and musicians.....

Please, public, consider.....There's only one left, and I think that Mickey deserves a hand at a future presentation!!!

Posted by Ron Knell on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:37am

Good list of names. Perfectly fine with Lionel's solo nomination, as I think he's worthy of being a 2-time inductee. Just hope that once he does get in, that they don't go on to forever ignore Commodores.

Think Devo will clash with Eurythmics and maybe Duran Duran a la the stacked metal nominee list from a few years back, but with DD probably pulling out ahead.

Pulling for Judas Priest. The hall's got a huge metal problem.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:53am

Carly Simon- Very successful. I'm unfamiliar with her work aside from You're So Vain. Would be an ok choice.

Lionel Richie- Legendary success. Not familiar with his work.

Devo- Back again, I see. Well, we can only wait and see. I love their work.

A Tribe Called Quest- Greatly successful. Pioneered a fusion of rap and jazz.

New York Dolls- Been awhile for them. The Hall has been looking for glam. So why not?

Eurythmics- It'd be a second chance for them. Since the Hall is becoming more open to post punk, maybe they have a better opportunity.

Pat Benatar- Back again. Try again to finish the 80s female hard rockers?

Dolly Parton- Never been nominated before, surprisingly. A legend in country.

Dionne Warwick- Very successful. Would be a good choice.

Kate Bush- Not familiar with her work aside from Running Up That Hill.

Fela Kuti- Not familiar with his work. Would be a nice induction.

Duran Duran- Helped popularize the new wave and synth sound for the masses.

MC5- Their Kick Out the Jams was pioneering in punk and metal but aside from that I know nothing.

Judas Priest- There were so many bands during the hair/glam metal era that you could easily nominate almost any of them.

Eminem- Legendary success.

Rage Against the Machine- They already have the Beastie Boys, but it would still be a good choice.

Beck- Greatly successful and diverse musician.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 09:59am

Okay gonna go off the bat…

Eminem
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

If 7: Judas Priest

This is one tough ballot!

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:13am

I think we are actually gonna get 7 this year!

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:20am

I think this is one of the tougher ballots to handicap in a long time.

I got 7.5 of my 16 predictions right (I'm taking a half point for Lionel Richie since I predicted The Commodores).

I'll be shocked if Chaka Khan isn't given a Musical Excellence award. Her absence from the ballot to me is a clear indication that they already decided to just put her in through that back door.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:24am

2 takeaways at first glance...

No Monkees. The RRHOF obviously doesn't consider them a real rock n roll band and just a novelty. With all the groundswell they've gotten, they better get an Early Influence, which I hate because that's how they slid Kraftwerk in...sad

The nomination of Lionel Richie is nice, but it speaks to me that they're trying to close the door on the 70s largely, and they are again ignoring the R and B/funk genre, which is cruelly underrepresented in the Hall

Lukewarm to this list. Will give a more in-depth review as I have time...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:36am

My inductee predictions:
Eminem
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
if 6: Beck
if 7: Rage Against the Machine
Non Performer: Rick Rubin
Early Influence: Big Mama Thorton, Afrika Bambaataa, MC5
Musical Excellence: Slade (if you haven't figured it out by now I am a Slade enthusiast), Ronnie James Dio, The Monkees
The weird backing band category: The Commodores

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:41am

Here we are! Some brief thoughts:

- TRIBE IS ON THE BALLOT I REPEAT A TRIBE CALLED QUEST IS ON THE BALLOT THIS IS NOT A DRILL

- I got 7 nominees right in my predictions, not too terrible.

- I think there is a nearly 100% chance that Chaka Khan will be getting in via Musical Excellence this year.

- Very surprised that MC5 and New York Dolls are on the same ballot, I feel like that automatically dooms both of their chances.

- Lionel Richie is a weird choice to me, I feel like they should've just nominated The Commodores, and I wonder what this means for their future chances.

- In terms of predictions, here's where my head is at so far. Eminem and Dolly feel like absolute locks. Duran Duran and Pat Benatar seem very likely. I think one of Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick gets in, but maybe not both. Slot #6 is open to me. I think there's a good chance Lionel could fill it, as he has that legendary status. I also think both Rage and Beck could be legitimate contenders this year. If we're in a 7 inductee scenario, I would say Lionel and Rage are the last two slots. It's difficult for me to see any of the other artists being legitimate contenders on this ballot.

I'll go more into detail on my thoughts tonight when I have more time to write!

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:41am

Well there they are. The actual Nominees for 2022.
I ended up predicting 6 nominees correctly: Pat Benatar, , Duran Duran, Eminem, RATM, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick.Better than I usually do, but I'm sure others got a lot more right. I see Michael W had a little more right
I'm disappointed that the Monkees are Not nominated. I don't care about the Meat Loaf snub. How can you leave out the Monkees? The Monkees had a lot of hits. But Heyy it happens.
Duran Duran! Finally. Good year for them. They had a lot of hits in the 80s. And had some success in the 90s. Great to see them finally nominated. They were one of the new wave bands I followed somewhat during the 80s.
Carly Simon is a terrific choice. I am indeed familiar with some Of her work. I know You're So Vain, Havent Got Time for the Pain, Nobody Does it Better, You Belong to Me, Jesse, Coming Around Again and Stuff that Dreams are Made of are all good songs. Lionel Richie had Legendary success. It's finally a goood R&b choice. He had a lot of hits and big albums.
Devo is Back. I like some of their songs.
Dolly Parton is a Nice Surprise. She is a Country Legend.

Dionne Warwick was Very successful. Would be a good choice. She is being given a second chance. I think she will end up as an Early Influence this year.

Judas Priest were among many bands during the hair/glam metal era but they stand out as Key pioneers in Heavy Metal

Pat Benatar gets a second Nom. It's another attempt to complete the Female Hard Rockers

Eminem is a legendary success. I know No songs from him as of this date. It seems like this would be shocking if I was under 40. I'm 57 so I will catch up on him a Little.
Rage Against the Machine Would be a good choice. I think it's their 3rd try. Their songs remain hip in this day and age.

These names will be mentioned over and over. More on all this later on

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 10:50am

Is it bad to say that I already have my 2023 predictions lol?

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 11:17am

I think I did okay; I "sort of" got six. I did predict Pat Benatar and Eminem--who didn't?--and the Eurythmics and Carly Simon, I also had either Duran Duran or INXS, and either Judas Priest, Iron Maiden or Motley Crue. My guess as to who gets in:

Beck: Probably not, nobody on this side of the pond is familiar with his music. Too crowded a field.
Pat Benatar: Probably. The shocker of three years ago won't be repeated.
Kate Bush: Probably not. See Beck.
Devo: Probably not. Too many regard them, unfairly, as a one-hit-wonder.
Duran Duran: Probably. 1980s music is starting to be recognized by the R&R HoF.
Eminem: Welcome to Cleveland.
Eurythmics: Maybe. See Duran Duran.
Judas Priest: Maybe, since a few more hard rock acts (Def Leppard, Nine Inch Nails, Foo Fighters) got in, their members may vote to add one more.
Fela Kuti: Probably not, at least not as a performer. A likely "Musical Excellence" or "Early Influence" inductee.
MC5: Probably not. Sadly, except for "Kick Out the Jams," largely forgotten.
New York Dolls: Probably not. Their best chance is from those who think adding more women is a good idea (and are not aware who the NYD are).
Dolly Parton: Maybe, in the R&R HoF's current female-friendly climate. May get cancelled by another female singer-songwriter on the ballot.
Rage Against the Machine: Probably not, unless the acts that I have voting for Judas Priest go for Rage as well.
Lionel Richie: Probably not, would have had a better chance had the Commodores, not just Richie, been nominated.
Carly Simon: Maybe. Probably a better chance than Dolly Parton, maybe a slightly better chance than the Eurythmics.
A Tribe Called Quest: Probably not, unless those I have voting for Judas Priest go for a third.
Dionne Warwick: Maybe, but probably not as good a chance as Carly Simon.

My guess: Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Carly Simon. If a sixth, Dionne Warwick or Dolly Parton (but not both), if a seventh, Judas Priest.

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 11:18am

I would give this RRHOF list a solid B. Don't understand their obsession with MC5 and NY Dolls. They would be better fits in the special awards. Probably will cancel each other out and fall short again. Would have preferred Bad Company & Foreigner or Blue Oyster Cult & Iron Maiden or something. They have given Judas Priest a good opportunity to sneak in for the metal induction. Rob Halford deserves credit for his positivity about the Rock Hall and being honored to have Priest and metal in its hallowed halls. Might have tipped the scales. Other bands have voiced displeasure or don't care about the honor. It's their chance to earn an induction. Duran Duran finally!!! I think Duran Duran and Eminem are the best chances to earn an induction. Duran Duran has so much popularity and support. They could use Hungry Like The Wolf or Rio as a finisher. Will collect votes from the British RRHOF too. Might win the FAN VOTE as well. Appear to be inducted easily.
Dionne Warwick not an easy path to induction. Carly Simon has her popularity and fans. She should collect some votes. Pat Benatar obviously will do well with rock and women voters. She is loved and respected. I had Beck for next year's 2022-2023 list but they accelerated it here for 2022. He's probably 50/50 here. Beck will have some support. Kudos for those who picked Dolly Parton! She is a Legend and gives Country another possible Inductee. I think she will have plenty of votes. This makes it difficult for Dionne Warwick. Rage Against The Machine time to earn their induction. It won't be easy considering the diversity of the ballot. I've flirted with Lionel Richie on my lists for the last 5 years. He might have been on 1 or 2 final lists. They easily could have written Lionel Richie/The Commodores. Richie is a very respected and talented musician. I could see him earning Induction. A Tribe Called Quest was a pleasant surprise. I removed them from my list early in the cycle. Kate Bush might eventually receive a Special Award. Another tough uphill climb for her in this nomination cycle.
A KING 2022 Induction Class.
1. Carly Simon
2. Dolly Parton
3. Duran Duran
4. Eminem
5. Judas Priest
6. Pat Benatar
7. Rage Against The Machine

I had 7 correct on my Nomination list . DEVO, Duran Duran, Eminem, Judas Priest, Pat Benatar, Rage Against The Machine, The Eurythmics. Credit to the RRHOF Nomination Committee for creating a diverse list. Artists from the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, 1990's. Some who are still popular in the present day. It must be a champagne day for Enigmaticus in Arizona. Duran Duran and Carly Simon 2 of his FAVS. I was disappointed no Kool & The Gang. It seems they had some support last time on the Committee. Guess they went with Lionel Richie instead. Can't wait to see how it shakes out. Will be waiting for Roy's different ballot class possibilities.
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 11:42am

Here are my thoughts on the nominees.

Beck: 8/10
I actually never thought I see Beck being nominated this year since there are so many alternative acts that came before him still waiting for inclusion. With that said, I don't see him being inducted this year especially since Radiohead didn't get in on their 1st try & it might take him a few more years & nominations to become an inductee.

Pat Benatar: 6/10
I saw a lot of comments about her inclusion & it's not hard to see why. She has influence but wasn't exactly a groundbreaker like the ones that are inducted before her. This may be her year & she's definitely worthy but not quite remarkable.

Kate Bush: 7/10
Now if Hall is also focusing on the acts that have successful in other countries besides USA then Kate Bush would likely have a chance to earn induction but that's unfortunately not the case here so this maybe her last nomination in the performer category.

Devo: 7/10
Really defining band & pretty much paved the way for MTV, but i actually thought they will be inducted following their 3rd nomination whenever the ceremony comes back to Cleveland. However this year's is in LA & I don't see them being honored over there. Maybe in the next few years they will finally receive it.

Duran Duran: 8/10
To be honest, I never thought I get to see both Duran Duran & Devo being nominated at the same time especially since they both defined MTV generation. I've been seeing a number of posts about DD's consideration & it finally happened so they'll likely become an FYN inductee.

Eminem: 10/10
An only guarantee & lock for induction & those rock purists would be shaking their heads lol. They really need to get over it!

Eurythmics: 7/10
I don't mind if they get inducted but it certainly won't happen this year since both Devo & Duran Duran are also nominated.

Judas Priest: 8/10
Ahhh these icons are back in the saddle again, I actually predicted & anticipated that they will finally be inducted when they receive their 3rd nomination & if they don't get in then they'll likely be inducted under a different category. Let's hope that this is finally their year.

Fela Kuti: 7/10
Well last year's shocking nomination is now returning & considering how obscure he is, I think maybe Early Influence or AME would be his only route.

MC5: 7/10
They have been nominated 5 times previously & it's their 6th try. I don't think they will ever be inducted as performers, since Kraftwerk got inducted under "Early Influence" then it's likely MC5 would follow them in that category.

New York Dolls: 7/10
Their influence is big as other honorees (David Bowie, The Velvet Underground, The Stooges, T. Rex & Roxy Music) & with a documentary about them coming up, I think it's going to push their chances of induction for this year.

Dolly Parton: 9/10
This one is absolutely shocking to be exact, as far for country acts being inducted: Johnny Cash is the only one in the "Performer Category" & Dolly Parton is one of them that never got its nomination before. She very successful & really defined the genre for better. As chances of induction, I don't mind if she gets it it's just a matter of when it may happen this year.

Rage Against the Machine: 7/10
I believe they will finally be inducted since Tom Morello is part of the committee & for being part of the presenters for last year, maybe the Hall would actually do him a favor by inducting them since it worked for Dave Grohl.

Lionel Richie: 8/10
Another shocking nomination, Lionel's still active & I think by inducting Clarence Avant a few months is by Hall saying thank you & gave him his first nomination. I think I'm on the fence about this since there are so many suprises this year. Maybe this will be his year or not.

Carly Simon: 6/10
I don't think she has a chance of earning induction at all, don't get me wrong she's defining but the 70's is about to close in the few years but I haven't seen her being active for a long time & this is really a big shocker.

A Tribe Called Quest: 9/10
Really influential rap act, they expanded & shifted the landscape of hip hop with creative possibilities for the genre. With that said, I would vote for them as possible but then Eminem is also nominated & would be inducted so maybe next year would finally be their turn.

Dionne Warwick: 5/10
I haven't seen RRHOF inducted any act from the 60's since 2019 & this is Warwick's second nomination. I don't see that happening at all since the Hall pretty much moved on from the decade. This maybe her last nomination ever.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 11:42am

I think you're all underestimating Eurythmics's chances this year, Yes, I know that they're going up against Duran Duran and Devo, but Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart are so well-liked and so-well connected in the music industry that a lot of people will probably vote for them on that alone, plus The Hall has been inducting more 80's acts in recent years, so they stand a very good chance IMO, also, they're currently in the top 5 and at #5 in the fan vote, so that helps them as well, In addition, they're being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year (which was rescheduled from 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic) as well, If there was ever a time that we see two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts get in in the same year, it's this year with Duran Duran and Eurythmics. I see them getting in this year along with Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon with Beck, Rage Against The Machine and Dionne Warwick as spoilers. I see the Eurythmics being more likely than Lionel Richie IMO, I think Lionel's biggest problem is that 70's Soul/R&B/Funk/Disco acts have had such a difficult time getting inducted in the past decade, If Chic and Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan couldn't get in and The Spinners, War, The Marvelettes, Joe Tex, The Meters and The J.B's can't get in, then I highly doubt Lionel will despite his legendary status and him being such a beloved figure in the music industry.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 11:58am

Also, if it were up to me the class would be:

Tribe
Dolly
Kate Bush
RATM
Judas Priest
Duran Duran
Dionne Warwick

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 12:12pm

THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

WHEN VOTING FOR SENIORITY

1. Dionne Warwick
2. Dolly Parton
3. Fela Kuti
4. New York Dolls
5. MC5
6. Carly Simon

WHEN VOTING FOR THE MOST RECENT ACTS

1. Eminem
2. Beck
3. Rage Against The Machine
4. A Tribe Called Quest
5. Eurythmics
6. Duran Duran

WHEN VOTING FOR THE REST

1. Judas Priest
2. Devo
3. Kate Bush
4. Pat Benatar
5. Lionel Richie

WORST CASE SCENARIO

1. Fela Kuti
2. MC5
3. Devo
4. Beck
5. Eminem

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 12:59pm

My personal choice for this year's class would be Eminem, Duran Duran, Beck, Dolly Parton, Pat Benatar, A Tribe Called Quest, and Carly Simon. The first four on that list will be on all my votes at the RockHall web site, with the the other three rotating into the final spot.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 13:08pm

How much do you guys wanna bet that Fela Kuti will be up in the top 5 in the fan vote by tomorrow morning

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 13:15pm

This is a surprise. 17 acts, only Eminem is a sure bet. But I figured since we're on a new page now, it's time to update the list of dead inductees (FLR also lists Sam Lay as still being alive despite dying recently.)

So far five Inductees (Grahame Edge, Norman Thrasher, Calvin Simon, Ronnie Spector, Don Wilson, and Sam Lay) have died since the ceremony.

Living Members of Each Class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 1/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 22/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli) This is also the most recent class where more than half of the inductees are still alive (56%), and the most alive 20th Century class.
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 28/70 (Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 19/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 17/22 (Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 13:44pm

Follower,
Do you keep all that info in a Google doc? Cause it must be a pain in the ass to type all this out manually

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 13:49pm

Of the Fan Vote 6, 3 were nominated this year (Pat, Priest, and Fela Kuti.) I doubt Nigeria will try again this year since they learned that the vote doesn't matter as much as it appears.

(No, it's not completely meaningless! If that were true, why has every year other than 2020 featured at least 3 of the top 5 for each year?)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 13:50pm

MY HOPES
Devo
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Beck
New York Dolls

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 14:04pm

Raichu,

I first started keeping track sometime in 2020 (I think), and I've just been copying and pasting ever since. I don't type it out manually.

For anyone who may know: Who is the biggest albums act and who is the biggest singles act nominated?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 14:43pm

The Biggest Albums and Singles acts from previous years:

Albums:
2013: Rush
2014: KISS
2015: Green Day
2016: Chicago
2017: Joan Baez
2018: The Moody Blues
2019: Def Leppard
2020: Whitney Houston by sales, Dave Matthews Band by charts
2021: Jay-Z

Singles:
2013: Donna Summer
2014: Daryl Hall and John Oats
2015: The Spinners
2016, 2017, and 2019: Janet Jackson
2018: Bon Jovi
2020: Whitney Houston
2021: Jay-Z

What's the answer for this year?

Also, we have two artists with Diamond albums this year (Eminem and Lionel Ritchie)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 15:06pm

Initial thoughts on the nomination list

I was surprised at how predictable this list turned out to be. It looks like most watchers got at least 6-7 right which is a pretty high average. I actually got 8 right, and that doesn't count choosing The Commodores (Lionel Richie), a coin flip choosing Iron Maiden over Judas Priest, and Kate Bush being my last cut. I think that predictability might be why some were underwhelmed by this list. I don't think I have ever come close to picking that many right before.

I believe it is a very solid group overall. We often joke they should just induct the whole list, but this year you really could say that. It would really help with the backlog.

I don't understand putting New York Dolls and MC5 on the same ballot. Weird, and I strongly believe both deserve to be in. I don't like them ignoring The Commodores at all. Happy to see A Tribe Called Quest, but would prefer OutKast. Sad that the 60s really seems to be over (Dionne Warwick and the MC5 notwithstanding). Ticked off that Soundgarden didn't make the cut again.

Early prediction is that Eminem, Duran Duran and Dolly Parton are the three most likely to make it in. After that it is a toss-up with about seven acts I think could make it. There are at least six I think have very little chance.

I have to say I agree with richie when it comes to Eurythmics. Don't underestimate their influence and connections. They have some brutal competition on this ballot and might struggle to get in, but I think they have a legitimate shot.

Personal favorites: Kate Bush, New York Dolls, Duran Duran, Judas Priest, Eurythmics and Beck.
Most deserving in my opinion: Eminem, Dionne Warwick, New York Dolls, Beck and Judas Priest. Toss-up for sixth between Fela, Dolly Parton and Kate Bush.

All 17 are deserving, although I feel RATM are overrated and they are keeping numerous other 90s artists from getting their shot on the ballot.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 15:23pm

Why are two people nominated for Benatar?

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 15:32pm

So many artists to choose for the fan vote, but here's who I voted for:

Kate Bush
Eminem
Fela Kuti
Dolly Parton
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 15:36pm

Now that the 2022 nominees have been announced, Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 15:44pm

@richie, Here's who I think might be inducted:

Eminem
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Lionel Richie (gives me a Hall & Oates vibe)
Judas Priest

Spoilers include Rage Against the Machine, Dionne Warwick, Kate Bush, and A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 16:22pm

I'm actually thinking Eminem will be snubbed. Although he seems on the surface to be the most iconic name on the ballot, he also does seem to be one of the names that would cause more members of the Voting Committee to say "over my dead body" than most others, particularly the members of '60s and '70s rock bands who probably (erroneously) view him in the same vein as Britney Spears or something. He has a very abrasive image and there was a history of other artists like that (Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols, N.W.A) taking many nominations (granted, he is much bigger commercially than any of them.) The previous white rappers The Beastie Boys also took several nominations. Sure, gangsta rappers like 2Pac and Biggie went straight in, but they also had universal support from black voters, which I'm not sure Eminem will have. I would not be surprised if many black voters consider Tribe, Richie, and Warwick to be bigger legends and resent Eminem for co-opting a black genre. Obviously, he influenced many, many black rappers like Kendrick Lamar but they aren't voters yet and I'm not sure how much respect he has from people before him. There are also probably people who won't vote for him because of his problematic lyrics in an era when that has become more important. Additionally, I'm not sure how gung-ho the critics will go for him since it seems the standard consensus is that he was an elite artist from 1999-2002 and then remained popular with mostly garbage after that; he kind of comes off like the rap version of Weezer in that way although he was obviously much bigger than them in a pop sense. Plus there is the problem of Beck.

People think Beck has an outside shot because many people consider him to be a one-hit wonder, but he crossed over and has respect across almost all subgenres of rock & roll because he did rock, rap, funk, folk, indie, and dance-pop albums. I also would guess that he's one of the '90s artists who the '60s/'70s guys who still dominate the hall most like because he did build on the genres they developed. He was also more consistent than Eminem, more respected by critics, and (most importantly I think) less controversial. I think a lot of white people who want to vote for a white rapper will prefer Beck to Eminem because Beck wasn't JUST a rapper and also dabbled in many genres that the Hall voters typically like much more. I think despite Eminem being a superstar and Beck being a "one-hit wonder", I think Beck's got a better shot because he'll get the '60s/'70s votes, especially in a year that there's minimal classic rock on the ballot and how much they routinely put singer-songwriters in to begin with. I would also guess Beck would be more likely to get black votes than Eminem, although black voters will probably mostly focus on Tribe here.

But Lionel Richie has the best shot. The man wrote "We Are the World" and even though that song was not good, it still proves he has connections with rock royalty as so many marquee names who are still central figures in the rock & roll establishment sang on that. Sure, he had a lot of adult contemporary schlock as a soloist but so did Whitney Houston and Tina Turner and it didn't stop them getting in right away and he was definitely in the same league as them commercially. He won't get many critics' votes but it seems to me that the critics' contingent doesn't really make or break artists' induction chances these days as the popular choices on their first ballot get in first, and he doesn't really have any similar artists in his lane (Dionne Warwick a teensy bit, but I don't think most people will think of them that way.)

Pat Benatar I think is a lock even though she missed last time. There were a lot of other hard rock artists on the ballot that year and there really aren't this time. She gets more classic rock airplay than anyone else on this ballot by far so she'll still get that contingent, which is still pretty large. Last time she had to compete against The Doobie Brothers which were considered even more of a classic rock staple, but this year she is the biggest staple. I think she's in.

After the recent inductions of Roxy Music, The Cure, and Depeche Mode, I think Duran Duran will get in easily especially since they were commercially bigger than any of them in the US by far. However, they are similar enough to the Eurythmics and Devo that those two will be kept out.

Black voters and critics are going to be united for A Tribe Called Quest I think and that contingent can carry you to instant induction, but they also don't have the legend status to the general public as the names that did get in on the first ballot. I think they'll come close but just miss. They might get in next year if they're on the ballot alone but they'll be appealing for a lot of people who don't want to vote for any of the non-black rappers in Eminem, Beck, and RATM.

I think either Dolly Parton or Carly Simon will get in but not both. Parton obviously has the greater legend status and some people will jump on that but I think a lot of people won't because they don't think country artists should be in the hall. Simon had a longer career in the pop mainstream and probably has better connections with the people who are already inducted but is viewed as second-tier by many. I can't decide which way that will go. I think either would be a lock if the other wasn't on the ballot but one will keep the other out. I think even though Parton is the bigger legend, Simon will get it because she is seen as more rock & roll by the other voters (I mean Mick Jagger even appeared on "You're So Vain"...)

MC5 is too similar to both RATM and New York Dolls (in different ways) which will tank their chances, and because of their vote-splitting with both RATM and the Dolls, it will tank their chances too. Although either MC5 or the Dolls will probably get inducted in a special category.

Judas Priest might have a shot now that there are fewer classic rock staples on this ballot than there were the last two times, but I just think they were too underground in America for most of these voters and not commercial enough; those people will vote for Benatar.

Kate Bush has a better shot but is still too offbeat to them and weirdly I think the same voters would go for her and Beck, but I think Beck is bigger in America and that carries more weight. Bush's best shot might be Benatar advocating her when she gets in because Benatar did cover "Wuthering Heights" on her biggest album and I could see her going for that. Not that it seems like it should have to come to that. But I think Benatar might be able to convince some of the '70s rockers on her side to go for Bush after she gets in.

Dionne Warwick seems like she'll sweep up the voters who voted for Carole King and Tina Turner last time. Because Carly Simon and Dolly Parton will probably split that vote a little, I think she'll probably finish above them in the polling.

Fela Kuti will probably do really well in the fan vote again and then not get in due to obscurity.

Predictions:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Yes, I really do think Eminem will miss and I'm surprised more people aren't predicting it.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 16:42pm

We just found out the nominees, barely 12 hours ago. Everyone's still processing their reactions to the ballot and there's no way anyone can probably assess the ballot this quickly.

Posted by Dave W on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 16:46pm

"Why are two people nominated for Benatar?"

She insisted her husband/guitarist get in with her, which may be one of the things that annoyed people last time. I almost wish they put him Musical Excellence at the same time instead, but meh. His career outside of her probably wasn't that important enough as it seems like the only major thing he did was "Jessie's Girl", which I happen to like but a lot of people think is crap so I guess he's only deserving as a sideman to her, but if we're opening that door, there should be a lot more people in who have been excluded. He certainly wasn't as important an '80s hard rock producer as Rick Rubin or Mutt Lange.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 16:51pm

I see a pattern of nominating and inducting big 80's Pop acts over the past few years:

2019: Janet Jackson
2020: Whitney Houston
2021: Tina Turner
2022: Lionel Richie

If Lionel gets in this year, don't be surprised to see Phil Collins and George Michael show up on the ballot in the next two years after that (2023 and 2024).

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 17:13pm

RG, Plebeian, Greg F and Michael W.,

Now that the 2022 nominees have been announced, Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 17:28pm

Adding to the "two people with Pat Benatar" conversation:

Neil Giraldo is Pat's songwriter, manager, producer, musician, and husband. Pat herself said that she didn't want to be in the Hall unless he was in with her.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 17:52pm

2022 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees: Who Will Actually Get In?
Here's how we handicap this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class and their chances of induction, from least to most likely.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/rock-roll-hall-of-fame-odds-nominees-1235026368/

Who Should Be Inducted Into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2022? Vote!
Dolly Parton, Eminem and more have been nominated for the Rock Hall's Class of 2022. Who do you think should get in?
https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-2022-poll-1235026299/

Duran Duran React to Rock Hall Nomination: 'People Love Survivors'
It's the English band's first nom.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/duran-duran-rock-hall-nomination-class-2022-interview-1235026526/

MC5's Wayne Kramer on Sixth Rock Hall Nomination – And Spotify's Joe Rogan Mess
"I'm not surprised that the music business wouldn't recognize the band. But, y'know, enough's enough."
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/mc5-wayne-kramer-rock-hall-nomination-1235026269/

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 18:18pm

Performer inductees will be: Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick, and Beck

Early Influence will go to: MC5 and New York Dolls

Award for Musical Excellence goes to: Devo, Kate Bush and Fela Kuti (2 of these 3)

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 18:34pm

Here's the current standings in the fan vote:

17. Fela Kuti
16. MC5
15. Beck
14. New York Dolls
13. Kate Bush
12. A Tribe Called Quest
11. Dionne Warwick
10. Devo
9. Rage Against The Machine
8. Judas Priest
7. Carly Simon
6. Lionel Richie
5. Eurythmics
4. Eminem
3. Duran Duran
2. Dolly Parton
1. Pat Benatar

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 18:47pm

WHEN VOTING ROCKIST

1. MC5
2. New York Dolls
3. Judas Priest
4. Duran Duran
5. Eurythmics
6. Pat Benatar
7. Rage Against The Machine

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 19:38pm

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year, I'm going to say that since we got 17 nominees this year, I think that they'll go with 7 inductees this year:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Dionne Warwick

Those are the acts that I feel stand the best chance of getting in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 20:00pm

The fan vote has five, so I don't think we're getting 7.

Posted by blah on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 21:41pm

RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, KING, Enig, Donnie, Philip, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Zack F, Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

I'm going out on a limb and say that Eminem will be snubbed FYE just like Radiohead, I'm actually thinking Eminem will be snubbed although he seems on the surface to be the most iconic name on the ballot, he also does seem to be one of the names that would cause more members of the Voting Committee to say "over my dead body" than most others, particularly the members of 60's and 70's Rock bands who probably (erroneously) view him in the same vein as Britney Spears or something. He has a very abrasive image and there is a history of other artists like that (Black Sabbath, The Sex Pistols, N.W.A.) taking many nominations (granted, he is much bigger commercially than any of them.) The previous white rappers The Beastie Boys also took several nominations. Sure, gangsta rappers like 2Pac and Biggie went straight in, but they also had universal support from black voters, which I'm not sure Eminem will have. I would not be surprised if many black voters consider A Tribe Called Quest, Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick to be bigger legends and resent Eminem for co-opting a black genre. Obviously, he influenced many, many black rappers like Kendrick Lamar but they aren't voters yet and I'm not sure how much respect he has from people before him. There are also probably people who won't vote for him because of his problematic lyrics in an era when that has become more important. Additionally, I'm not sure how gung-ho the critics will go for him since it seems the standard consensus is that he was an elite artist from 1999-2002 and then remained popular with mostly garbage after that; he kind of comes off like the rap version of Weezer in that way although he was obviously much bigger than them in a pop sense. Plus there is the problem of Beck. People think Beck has an outside shot because many people consider him to be a one-hit wonder, but he crossed over and has respect across almost all subgenres of rock & roll because he did rock, rap, funk, folk, indie and dance-pop albums. I also would guess that he's one of the 90's artists who the 60's/70's guys who still dominate the hall most like because he did build on the genres they developed. He was also more consistent than Eminem, more respected by critics, and (most importantly I think) less controversial. I think a lot of white people who want to vote for a white rapper will prefer Beck to Eminem because Beck wasn't JUST a rapper and also dapped in many genres that the Hall typically like much more. I think despite Eminem being a superstar and Beck being a one-hit wonder", I think Beck's got a better shot because he'll get the 60's/70's votes, especially in a year that's there's minimal classic rock on the ballot and how much they routinely put singer-songwriters in to begin with. I would also guess Beck would be more likely to get black votes than Eminem, although black voters will probably mostly focus on Tribe here.

Yes, I really do think Eminem will miss and I'm surprised more people aren't predicting it.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 23:00pm

No, Eminem performed at the ceremony, and he did a good job. He was originally going to induct LL, but he changed his mind and wanted to perform instead. The Hall won't forget the loudest show. He's not going to be skipped.

There is a chance that the voters will see him as too obvious and want to vote for their own preferences, but I think they learned their lesson when it happened to Radiohead.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 23:38pm

RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Donnie, Raichu, Johnny, dmg and Eric Tompkins,

Now that the 2022 nominees have been announced, Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 23:52pm

Hey richie

Eminem is pretty well liked by black audiences mainly cause he always seemed honest and genuine like the Beastie Boys (and more importantly unlike Vanilla Ice). He was an angry piece of white trash and rapped about being that and that caused everyone from The Source to XXL to BET to praise him. He has cred. Plus he has guys like Dr. Dre and Jay-Z in his corner, he inducted Run-DMC in a very loving speech, aided LL Cool J's induction, has had a decade of black artists like Kendrick Lamar, Rihanna, and Tyler, the Creator talking about how important Eminem was to their musical journeys, and helped guys like 50 Cent, The Game, and Drake break into the mainstream. I think that the black voter block would prefer to say Lionel Richie.

Beyond that, yes he had his critical turn from 5/5 to meh albums but those albums still sold very well (remember he's not just the best selling artist of the 2000s but also the 2010s - execs love that shit) and had great number of defenders especially in rap press where XXL and Complex were still giving him high praise.

There's also the fact he was big on sampling classic rock in a why that highlighted it which I think a lot of rock voters would value that. I think they might as be swayed by Elton John (who is definitely more pop but is respected in rock circles) having written this https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/100-greatest-artists-147446/eminem-14-83074/

Ultimately I think every rapper who has gone in and will vote with the exception of maybe some of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five will vote for both him and Tribe (so say 15 votes there) and he will do very well with more exec types. After that I wouldn't be shocked if guys like Tyler Perry and Rod Argent give him as well (Elton is a lock too). Not to mention he will get a fan vote.

Beyond that I also think Hall voters don't want to risk another Radiohead situation and have a name this big and important miss the mark.

That said I do think Beck will be a spoiler and I think he'll spoil Devo and Rage's chances.

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 @ 23:58pm

It seems we have a wide range of categories here.

Classic Rock: Pat Benatar
Alternative: Devo
Rap: A Tribe Called Quest
Metal: Judas Priest
Country: Dolly Parton
World: Fela Kuti
Pop: Carly Simon
Soul: Lionel Richie

Not only that, seven first-timers and six women.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 00:28am

Ben, Will N., K Dawg, KING, RG, Tom H., Jordan Einstein, Philip, Follower and others,

Today is February 3, 2022. Lobsterfest began 3 days ago, yesterday was Groundhog Day and for all intents and purposes, I am now 60 years old.

In my honest opinion, If a critically beloved artist has not waited at least 10 years past their eligibility date to be inducted, then they really have not been snubbed under any circumstances whatsoever.

If I had decided to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2022 nominees. I would think that a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 3 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart in 2020. I find it rather unfortunate that many members of the newer generation do not understand the importance of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and the lamentable fact that they probably never will. Additionally, John Prine may receive an induction, due to his passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2022 nominees:

These are the artists who I think should be inducted as performers in 2022:

01. The Bangles- Susanna Hoffs had inducted The Zombies in 2019, plus it adds 4 or perhaps 5 more women, which the Rock Hall has been severely criticized for excluding. This year, (The Go-Gos had been inducted). Overall, It adds to more diversity, plus Michael Steele had been a member of The Runaways. If nominated, will get in. With the Go-Gos now in, the Rock Hall may decide to nominate The Bangles. The prog community will support their induction! (Next year)

02. Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for almost 9 consecutive years. See my numerous posts under Duran Duran. If nominated will get in and should probably be appropriately inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, not unlike Yes. Plus, Duran Duran has a new album out titled "Future Past" and their single, 'Hungry Like The Wolf' has shown up on the latest list of Rolling Stone's Greatest Songs Of All Time' at #398. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). The prog community will definitely support their induction. (2022)

03. Jethro Tull- the second member of the "unholy trinity" of prog, after Genesis. If nominated; they may get in. Anne & Nancy Wilson of Heart should induct them. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog. (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). The prog community will definitely support their induction. (Next year)

04. Procol Harum- because one nomination is certainly not enough. Kudos to Steven Van Zandt, plus their pathway has been mostly cleared. See also, the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). The prog community may support their induction. (Next year?)

05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo- Do we really want to repeat 2020's fiasco? No, then induct them. They absolutely should get in; they will get in. The hard rock/heavy metal community will support their induction. (2022)

06. Sade- Two of their albums are on the RS Top 500 Albums list, plus aren't we tired of constantly nominating Rufus with Chaka Khan to no avail? If nominated; they will get in. Also, Sade is a "progressive soul" band. See Stevie wonder and Peter Gabriel. The prog community may support their induction. (Next year)

07. Carly Simon- Do you want more women? Great singer/songwriters? Then induct her. She absolutely should be in. 'You're So Vain' is at #495 on Rolling Stone's latest list of greatest songs of all time. With Carole King's recent induction as a performer, it really makes sense for Carly Simon to be next. The prog community will definitely support her induction. (2022)

08. Kansas- The recent passing of Robby Steinhardt (former violinist and vocalist) was huge news, plus there are not many "American" prog artists in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, other than perhaps: Frank Zappa, The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead, Talking Heads and Journey. They have strong advocates in both Brian May, long time inductee with Queen and Garth Brooks- soon to be nominated for induction himself. See also the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues). Also, Robby Steinhardt's posthumous solo release "Not In Kansas Anymore: A Prog Opera" (2021) has received positive reviews from Pete Pardo of "Sea of Tranquility." The prog community will probably support their induction. (Two years from now)

09. The Monkees- the unfortunate passings of Davy Jones, Peter Tork and the recent passing of Michael Nesmith could be the spark that gets them a rock hall nomination. Michael Nesmith had been instrumental in creating Pop Clips, the predecessor to MTV and MTV and Micky Dolenz (the sole surviving member) still has a great singing voice. I have also been watching recent documentaries about them on YouTube.

Since Michael Nesmith had unfortunately passed away on Friday December 10, 2021. I would like to extend my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of Michael Nesmith. Michael Nesmith, in addition to the rest of The Monkees had a lasting impact on the pop culture, which will not ever be forgotten. With Micky Dolenz, being the only surviving member of The Monkees, I anticipate that a mostly posthumous nomination and a RockHall induction will finally be forthcoming. Will they get in? (Next year)

10. Dionne Warwick- A renomination for such a great singer should definitely be in order. Since she did not get inducted in 2021, I think that a renomination will be forthcoming. Will she get in this time? (2022)

11. The B-52s- I found it quite amazing that Fred Schneider, Kate Pierson and Cindy Wilson have been together for almost 46 years. (Next year)

If hard pressed to choose, these are the artists (from my list) who I believe to have the best chance of being inducted in 2022:

1. The Bangles
2. Duran Duran (Yes!)
3. Carly Simon (Yes!)
4. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo (Yes!)
5. Sade
6. The Monkees
7. Dionne Warwick (Yes!)
8. The B-52s
9. Lionel Richie (Yes!)

In my honest opinion, those 9 artists would definitely make a fantastic class of inductees.

Let's face basic facts: I definitely do not like Eminem!

In my honest opinion, Eminem can definitely wait at least another nine hundred ninety nine trillion nine hundred ninety nine billion nine hundred ninety nine million nine hundred ninety nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine years, much like Dr. Dre. as a solo artist!



Here are the other 10:

12. Sheryl Crowe- a contemporary of Stevie Nicks.

13. Thin Lizzy- fathers of Irish hard rock.

14. Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart were quite innovative for their time. Plus, Annie Lennox has had a very successful solo career after the dissolution of The Eurythmics. (2022)

15. Cher- A true music icon for almost 60 years.

16. Willie Nelson- "............................................,.,."

17. Kool & The Gang

18. Lionel Richie (solo), or perhaps The Commodores (although I think that the former is more likely).


19. Meatloaf (due to his recent passing)

20. John Prine (due to his passing from complications due to COVID-19) almost 2 years ago.

21. Eminem- even though I strongly detest him.

Over all, I had predicted 7 of the nominees: Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Pat Benatar, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick, Eurythmics and Eminem. Of course, I am somewhat disappointed to not see The Bangles, Jethro Tull, Procol Harum, Kansas, Sade, B-52s, or The Monkees on this particular ballot.

As many of you are well-aware, I have actively pushed for Duran Duran's nomination and induction for 9 consecutive years. Congratulations to Kirk Harrington of DDTTRH for getting the ball rolling.



Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 01:39am

Why are people choosing Eminem over Devo? What is wrong with you people?

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 02:26am

Garrus,

They are from a younger generation and were apparently brainwashed into liking what we might consider to be "repugnant" things.

Here are the artists, I will vote for each and every time:

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Kate Bush
05. Alternating between Eurythmics, Dionne Warwick and Lionel Richie.

No rap artists this year, sorry! Not sorry!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 02:46am

Enig,
Pardon me for asking. Why did you copy and paste about your nominee predictions
here on the actual nominee forum. You previously said if you had decided to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2022 nominees. You would think that a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been it's time for that etc etc. It may have been to restate what you predicted to then compare to the actual ballot. Explain if you could

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 02:56am

Ben,

Primarily, I was updating my nominees list on the new forum, to indicate whether or not artists from my list had received, or not received a nomination.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 05:26am

Ben,

Primarily, I was updating my nominees list on the new forum, to indicate whether or not artists from my list had received, or had not received a nomination.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 05:32am

Dionne Warwick and Dolly Parton are the only 60s acts on the ballot this year.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 07:37am

Richie,

That's an interesting and well-thought-out perspective on Eminem's chances for induction and I can totally understand the argument you're making. And you've been right about things like this in the past (see: Dave Matthews Band). However, I think Eminem will end up being too big for the voters to ignore. Sometimes an artist is just such a game-changer, for better or for worse, that their accomplishments overshadow whatever flaws they may have.

In the end, each nominee should be evaluated on what they have done in the world of music, and very few can match what Eminem has achieved. I'd say of the current nominees, only Dolly Parton's overall body of work and level of achievement surpass what Eminem has done. Lionel Richie might be close. As big a fan as I am of Duran Duran and Beck (they are my two favorites of this year's nominees), neither of them even approaches Eminem's level of impact.

If people choose not to vote for Eminem because of their distaste for his attitude or the vulgarity of his lyrics, I can totally respect that. But I don't think there will be enough people doing that to prevent his induction.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 07:59am

Roy,

I'd consider The MC5 to be a 60's act as well, since their seminal work came out in 1969.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 08:08am

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 09:14am

Richie,

Eminem
Duran Duran
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Rage Against The Machine (putting my faith in this one)

Spoilers: Lionel Richie, Beck, Dionne Warwick

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 09:29am

WHAT FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS VOTERS WOULD GET RIGHT ABOUT THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTION CEREMONY

Devo * Duran Duran * Eminem

https://futurerocklegends.com/Statistics/

THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
BASED ON ELIGIBLE ARTISTS WITH THE MOST VOTES
ON FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS

01. Devo
02. Jethro Tull
03. Eminem
04. Backstreet Boys
05. Blink-182
06. Mariah Carey
07. Duran Duran
08. Alice In Chains
09. Nickelback
10. Smashing Pumpkins

WHAT FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS VOTERS
GOT RIGHT IN THE RECENT PAST

2021: Foo Fighters
2020: Whitney Houston * Depeche Mode * Nine Inch Nails
2019: Janet Jackson * Radiohead
2018: The Moody Blues * Bon Jovi
2017: Yes * Journey
2016: Chicago * Deep Purple
2015: Green Day
2014: Kiss * Nirvana
2013: Rush

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 09:49am

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Dionne Warwick

As much as I love Lionel Richie, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy on his own, I feel that he should have been nominated with The Commodores instead of his solo career. Yes, he's beloved, but I feel that there are other Male Pop Stars from that era that are more deserving of an induction than Lionel solo like Phil Collins and George Michael. So for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I think he'll get in eventually with The Commodores, but not on his own for his solo career.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:16am

What does spoilers mean anyways?

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:26am

Raichu,

Spoilers means that these acts are Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:27am

richie,
ah ok, that makes more sense,
In that case my predictions are:
Pat Benetar
Dolly Parton
Judas Priest
Eminem
Duran Duran
Spoilers: Rage Against The Machine, Beck, Eurythmics.

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:30am

Diverse list. Some thoughts on each:

Beck: hugely creative and deserving. No problems here, even if I don't listen to hom much.
Duran Duran: YES. In my personal Top 10 Snubs list. Longevity and enduring popularity finally burst their former 80's New Romantic/MTV pin-up reputation.
Eminem: Fine, I guess. His music really irritates me, but he's an important figure in the genre.
Dolly Parton: I love her (who doesn't), and obviously a giant in country music and a national treasure. BUT, I am not sure I see her importance to rock and roll. Willie Nelson would have been a better choice for a country giant who has had some impact on rock artists.
Lionel Richie: Sure. Would rather have seem go in with The Commodores first, though.
Carly Simon: Not a fan of her work, but she is a very important figure in the singer-songwriter genre, so yes.
A Tribe Called Quest: Yes, very innovative as well as important.
Pat Benatar: She will probably get in based on momentum, and she's really cool, I like her. But honestly, I feel her actual Rockhall credentials are a little light. There are lots of cool artists that are not Rockhall level if a Rockhall really means anything.
The Eurythmics: Borderline, for me.
Fela Kuti: Absolutely, although might be more appropriate as an influence.
Dionne Warwick: No.
Kate Bush: LOVE her. She is hugely creative. Not much of an impact in America, but she was huge in Europe. I'd love to see it, but I doubt it happens with the U.S.-centric focus.
Devo: LOVE them as well. Their debut record was genius. The next several records were good. I'm pulling for them because they are a personal favorite, while admitting their Rockhall credentials may be a bit light due to not really following through on the brilliance of that debut.
Judas Priest: Absolutely. Metal, like prog, is criminally underrepresented in the Hall. Priest is a key artist and pioneer of the genre. so by definition they should be in. Whether you like metal or not, objectively speaking, they should be a shoo-in.
New York Dolls: Do not know them very well, although I understand they were very influential in some circles.
Rage Against the Machine: Could care less about their music, but important for their time and genre. Although, their multiple nominations probably has more to do with Morello's involvement with the Hall.
MC5: Maybe. Kick Out the Jams is a killer and important record and song, but after that? Meh.

Where is: Link Wray, King Crimson, Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, Big Star, Sonny Boy Williamson II (as influence)...

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:43am

Raichu,

I think Judas Priest have a shot because there are less Classic Rock acts this time around than the previous two times that they were nominated (in 2018 and 2020), I have to say that this is their best chance yet so far but I'm still not feeling them getting in at this point.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:43am

Priest did horribly the first two times they were nominated. I think the only reason they get nominated is because of Tom Morello.

Also, despite them finishing in the top 5 of the fan vote twice, they're in 7th right now behind Lionel Richie and Euythmics.

They only have Pat as competition, but she is more likely to get in.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:54am

Once again, who is the biggest albums act to be nominated this year and who is the biggest singles act?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:55am

Follower,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 10:57am

Follower,

I'll try to run the albums and singles numbers on the nominees tonight but I'm guessing Eminem for both.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 11:20am

I'd guess Eminem for biggest album artist but it might be Lionel Richie for singles. He had at least 5 #1 songs and a bunch of others that made the top 10.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 11:33am

Richie,

I posted my guesses at each nominees chances for induction yesterday. Based on that and assuming 6 inductees, my early prediction would be:

Eminem
Dolly Parton
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Carly Simon
Judas Priest

with Lionel Richie, Rage Against The Machine, and Beck as the most likely "spoilers".

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 11:38am

Eminem is legit the biggest for both albums and singles (if we count all his features and D12 he has as many top 10s as Lionel even with Commodores and he has way more Top 20, Top 40 and even just charting ones than Lionel and everyone else here).

Again best selling artist in TWO decades. He's not just big for the genre he's BIG to music as a whole. Even the most conservative voters would see him as a big deal. We need to look at him like a Beatles or Stones or Michael Jackson cause he's THAT BIG a deal commercially.

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 11:46am

Feel like I'm the only that like Rage in these forums…..

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 12:20pm

RG,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 12:44pm

Plebeian,

I don't hate Rage. I just think the Hall's insistence to keep nominating them without induction is jamming up the 90s rock backlog, and the Pumpkins were shafted AGAIN...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 13:33pm

Same here. Rage is fine, but there are quite a few others that I'd put in before them. If Morello wasn't on the committee I don't think they'd have been pushed like they are. I also am suffering from a major case of Tom Morello burnout. The guy is frickin' everywhere. Same thing with Dave Grohl and Alicia Keys. They're all great but I need a break from them.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 14:04pm

Rage is good prob my #9 on this ballot but I do get a sense it's for Morello more than anything else atm. 4th nomination when as if not more influential and acclaimed acts from the same era like The Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, Oasis, Liz Phair, Blur, Alice in Chains, Hole, and Alanis Morissette have never been nominated Rage begins to feel very forced. Soundgarden and Jane's Addiction has been nominated once, Beck is only now getting his first nomination and we're living in an age where pop punk (and Travis Barker) are everywhere yet no love for Blink-182. Rage is seems to be a clog for 90s alternative, not everyone listed above will go in but they're not even getting a shot because of this hang up.

In addition to the 90s, I also think Rage might be clogging the metal route.

Now why aren't they going in? Probably cause they're legacy whether people wanna admit it or not includes nu metal. I think that also kept the Beastie Boys out for a while.

Posted by mat R on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 14:47pm

SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR
RATES THE 2021 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2022.html

10 - Eminem
8 - A Tribe Called Quest
7 - Beck
7 - Duran Duran
6 - MC5
6 - Fela Kuti
6 - Eurythmics
6 - Judas Priest
6 - Rage Against The Machine
6 - Lionel Richie
5 - Dionne Warwick
5 - Dolly Parton
5 - Carly Simon
5 - Kate Bush
5 - New York Dolls
5 - Devo
4 - Pat Benatar

Critiques and Ratings (12 pages)

150 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Candidates by Sampson of Digital Dream Door

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_halloffame_x1.html

THE CURRENT ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME QUALIFICATION SCALE
BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

10 - The Immortals
9 - Deserves To Be A First Ballot Lock
8 - Should Be Guaranteed An Induction
7 - An Eventual Induction Is Likely
6 - Should Be Nominated At Some Point
5 - Worthy Of At Least A Debate For A Nomination
4 - Not Insignificant, But Shouldn't Be Nominated
3 - No Business Being Debated By Committee
2 - No Business Being Even Mentioned
1 - No Business Visiting The Hall Of Fame Without a Ticket

THE OLD ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME QUALIFICATION SCALE
BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

1 - Non-existant
2 - Mostly Insignificant
3 - Recognizable, But Minor Credentials
4 - Modest Accomplishments
5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
6 - Strong Case To Be Made
7 - Solid Choice
8 - Unquestioned Credentials
9 - Dominant Artist
10 - The Immortals

Click the link above to read the critiques and ratings (12 pages)

• Candidates A-C
• Candidates C-F
• Candidates G-K
• Candidates L-P
• Candidates P-S
• Candidates T-Z
• Unlikely Candidates
• Sidemen Candidates
• Early Influences
• Outside Genre
• Non-Performers
• Inductees 1986-Present

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 14:48pm

Ben,

When you make your predictions for the 2022 inductees, Please predict 7 inductees this year instead of 6 because there are 17 nominees this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 15:09pm

SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR CRITIQUES THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2022.html

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 15:19pm

richie,
I was thinking about how many Inductees. Yeah 7 seems perfect. Its happened that way lately sometimes. It could be 6 due to the enhancement of Special categories. But for Now its 7. But I have not decided the inductees yet. I understand your point. But I don't want to disregard him just because He is Not my thing. I still never heard any tunes. I've been told to check him out. In my case I don't want anyone to frown on me disregarding Eminem. But I did of course check out and downloaded a New York Dolls tune. They are in my era though. I've known some Kate Bush for about 30 years. Ive known some Devo for about 40. I dont think either of these have a chance. I'm still absorbing the Nominees. You may know Beck. I'm considering him. Maybe. Judas Priest have a better chance than other times. I think I so far I only have 3 set for prediction. I pick Duran Duran, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon so far. Talk to ya.
They are Duran Duran

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 15:58pm

I got through on the phone today to Debatable on SiriusXM's Volume channel to talk to Nominating committee member Alan Light (along with Mark Goodman). I advocated for The Wailers to be considered for a Musical Excellence award and he seemed enthusiastic about the idea. Alan himself isn't on those, but said he was willing to throw it out to one of the members of that committee as a good suggestion.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:08pm

If it were up to me I would've swapped out MC5 and Lionel for the Commodores and Meat Loaf. Also I just got a notification for the trailer of a new King Crimson documentary. My Early Influence senses are tingling.

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:12pm

FLR is whining about how the fan vote supposably doesn't matter.

If it didn't matter, then why have at least 3 of the top 5 get inducted every year except for 2020?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:28pm

My early predictions for induction:

Duran Duran
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Eurythmics
Judas Priest (if 7)

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:49pm

Who I would vote for (in decreasing order of enthusiasm)

Kate Bush
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest

if seven:

Devo
Beck

Who I think will be inducted:

Eminem
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Judas Priest (their best shot with lack of anyone other than RATM in their genre)

If 7:

A Tribe Called Quest
Beck

As much as I would love to see Kate Bush (who is my favorite artist of all time), make the hall, there are too many women artists that might take votes away from her, including Pat Benatar, Carly Simon, Dolly Parton and Annie Lennox, the last 3 being all excellent singer/songwriters, although lesser IMHO than Kate. Beck will drawn votes away from her as well.

There may be a bit of a backlash against Lionel being inducted. Don't really understand why the Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with the Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some my have been huge hits, were average in quality at best.

Dolly Parton is certainly doing well in voting, and is a tremendous singer/songwriter. However, I wonder whether the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is the place for her, even though the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has become the Popular Music Hall of Fame in reality. I think there may be enough people who feel the same way to keep her out.

I think Eminem, Duran Duran, and Pat Benatar are all locks this year. The other two to four are less certain.

Posted by Eric Rodney Tompkins on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:50pm

Thoughts on this year's nominees:

Beck: One of the more pleasant surprise on this year's roster: absolutely deserving of induction, if not the biggest contemporary name on the ballot. The only issue I can think of is that there's a lack of "oomph" behind him: a lot of the more contemporary artists who've been inducted have had a major release that spotlighted them recently in the public eye (like Green Day or Radiohead), or had found other outlets to keep themselves in the minds of potential voters (such as Nine Inch Nails). Without a hook for potential supporters to get behind, he remains a likely spoiler but he might get lost in the shuffle compared to other artists.

Pat Benatar: A few days ago, I would have said Benatar was not just a lock for a second nomination, but a shoo-in to get inducted this year as well. With the other nominees announced, I'm still reasonably sure she'll get in this year, but I wouldn't place her as a 100% lock. Last year, the Go-Go's not only had the female rock slot all too themselves, but they virtually had the entire classic rock slot empty as well; Pat is not only competing directly against Annie Lennox and Eurythmics, but she also has to fend off Carly Simon and Dolly Parton, who complement her music in ways the Go-Go's didn't have to deal with. Based on her status as a classic rock staple, I still think she has the second best chance of all the female nominees to get in this year; but it's gonna be more of a struggle than expected.

Kate Bush: Like last year, Kate Bush has potential to win votes while also having a lot of stiff competition from the other nominees. Carly Simon and Dolly Parton seem to be fighting over the female singer-songwriter slot Carole King held last year; and honestly I think the competition helps Bush a little bit as she's distinct enough from each of them to stand out. But Bush also faces stiff competition from Beck, who holds a similar art-rock songwriter position in the industry, and both Duran Duran and Eurythmics for the British vote, all of whom had much more commercial success in the U.S. than her. Right now, I see Kate Bush in a holding pattern for another year without making it into the Hall.

Devo: We still have some momentum for keyboard and synth-based artists getting into the Hall, with Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode two years ago, then Kraftwerk getting backdoored last year. Devo is the next logical act to fulfill that role for induction into the Hall; but they still have the same drawbacks in place against them. They still have the label of "one-hit wonder" bandied about when brought up in discussions; plus this year they have two huge MTV-era bands (Duran Duran and Eurythmics) who followed their lead to bigger success. Personally, I don't see them getting in until the next time the induction ceremony hits Cleveland, and the added value of having hometown heroes at the ceremony makes them a bigger draw.

Duran Duran: Presumably, the Rock Hall remembers the reaction Simon Le Bon and Steven Taylor got from the crowd when they inducted Roxy Music. Originally written off as the boy band-equivalent of post-punk or New Wave bands from the 1980s, coasting on style and videos rather than their actual songs, the lads in Duran Duran have found themselves the beneficiaries of a long, stretched out critical reappraisal that's matched the appreciation of their music to their image. They are not a slam dunk, the way certain other legacy artists have been; but after Pat Benatar they are the second most likely MTV-era act to get in.

Eminem: The most likely slam dunk inductee this year, apart from the goodwill machine that is Dolly Parton; and arguably the first time a hip hop artist has been positioned on the ballot as a potential headliner (even Jay-Z had to contend with Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters stealing that slot). That there has been a growing backlash against Marshall Mathers and some of his lyrical content is understandable; and the fact that this year's hip hop slot will be going to a white guy doesn't help his case in terms of representation and the Rock Hall. That said, he is one of the biggest mainstream names on the ballot, and as such he will likely cruise in.

Eurythmics: One of the great successes from the '80s heyday of MTV, the two members of Eurythmics have a ton of goodwill going for them, both as a group and for their later efforts separately: Annie Lennox as a solo artist, and Dave Stewart as a producer and songwriter. Add in Lennox's iconic presence in videos, and the act seems like a slam dunk inductee. Unfortunately, a lot of their output has been overshadowed by one song ("Sweet Dreams"), which threatens to paint them with the same erroneous "one-hit wonder" label that Devo suffers from. Lennox is additionally overshadowed by both Pat Benatar, who has the same '80s iconic status as well as more songs comfortably accepted as classic rock staples, and by Kate Bush, who has a stronger alt-rock presence. With a crowded ballot, I don't see this as their year,

Judas Priest: Again, the Hall has tried to limit the heavy metal portion of the ballot to one major name, and give Judas Priest another shot with a clearer path set aside for them. Unfortunately, the same biases that have kept the harder acts from quickly getting in are still in place. With a lot of hard rock votes on this ballot likely going to Rage Against the Machine, I don't see this being the year Priest gets the nod.

Fela Kuti: I'm honestly surprised to see Fela make it onto another ballot: not because I think he's undeserving (which he absolutely is not), but I certain he would get inducted as an Influence or Musical Excellence candidate this year. Based on last year's expanded use of the side categories, I thought that lesser-known but foundational artists like Fela Kuti would be held off from getting a Performer nomination moving forward, thus freeing up a spot for artists with more mainstream recognition. I don't see things changing this year in terms of his chances: if he doesn't get in this year, one way or another, then he'll likely get backdoored in the very near future.

The MC5: After taking a year off from consideration, the MC5 find themselves in a familiar position: being one of the nominees with the least recognition value on a given year's slate. This year even finds them up against the New York Dolls, the other act the Hall's Nominating Board chose to fill this space last year. Nothing has changed for the MC5: they have credibility as a '60s political act and proto-punk outfit; but without a major push for their greater recognition outside music geek circles, they just don't have any momentum to make it this year.

New York Dolls: Another shot for these punk pioneers to get in finds them in a worse position than they had last year. Along with being placed in direct competition with the MC5, who have.a similar place in music history, the Dolls no longer have the momentum that came from earning their first nomination in decades or from the recent passing of Sylvain Sylvain. Otherwise, they face the same problems as the MC5, and will share the same results from their lack of recognition value among voters.

Dolly Parton: Look, she's getting in this year; and, like most of humanity, I have no problems with her either as a performer or a human being. That being said, I'd rather have pretty much any other artist on this year's ballot get in before she does. Out of all the genres of music connected to Rock 'n' Roll, with the possible exception of jazz, I find inducting country artists as Performers into the Rock Hall is an unnecessary luxury when there's as huge a backlog as the Hall has. There is an entire ecosystem of awards and honors in place for the country industry, for which Parton has been duly and deservedly recognized. If she needs to get into the Hall at all, put her in as an Influence, or into Musical Excellence for her songwriting and work as a collaborator; and leave her slot open for someone like Chaka Khan, Cher or solo Diana Ross, among others. But that's just my opinion, and it's all academic as she's as close to a lock as anyone outside of Eminem this year.

Rage Against the Machine: Up until this week, I just assumed RATM would be paired up with Soundgarden, and find themselves in second position against another '90s hard rock act for another year. But, surprisingly, not only did the Hall not nominate Soundgarden, but they left out any other contemporary hard rock acts from the ballot, thus giving Rage a wide open path to monopolize those voters this year. I feel like this is a deck clearing exercise for the Hall, to get an act they obviously want inducted (and honor Nominating Committee member Tom Morello), with the added value of helping get a second act that might cater to hip-hop heads (thus cushioning any objections to Eminem getting in this year). I'm not crazy about the fact, given Morello's obvious conflicts of interest; but I think this is their year.

Lionel Richie: Another longtime snub finally getting a first nomination, Richie is in a good position to see his way in this year. As a solo artist, Richie went in a decidedly pop or adult contemporary direction, which would put him on a similar level with Dionne Warwick. However, Richie also has a strong history as a songwriter for other artists, as well as his work with the Commodores (who I would have preferred seeing nominated over Richie solo), which strengthens his bonafides in comparison. On top of that, the Hall seems to have removed any other potential R&B artists from the ballot, opening the way up for him to sweep in. Richie is someone who should have been inducted years ago, either as a solo artist or with the Commodores: I see this being rectified this year.

Carly Simon: Seemingly taking up Carole King's songwriting slot from last year, Simon's case pales in comparison to hers, as she's lacking that one classic album or the history of writing for other artists that King possessed. Instead, Simon comes in more along the lines of those singer-songwriters like Laura Nyro, Bill Withers and Randy Newman, that the Hall tried to work their way through inducting a decade ago. If Simon had gotten her nomination at that point, she would have had a strong shot at getting in; this year, where she's competing against similar artists like Dolly, Dionne, Lionel, Kate Bush, and maybe even Pat Benatar and Beck, she looks to me like she'll get lost in the shuffle.

A Tribe Called Quest: The other pleasant surprise nominee this year sees hip hop's Native Tongues/Daisy Age era represented, over more recent hitmakers such as Outkast. Tribe is a solid pick, with a strong body of classic tracks, plus Q-Tip and Phife Dogg's work as solo artists and featured appearances on other artists' tracks. The Hall has yet to induct more than one hip hop artist per year; and if it comes close this year, it will only be because Rage Against the Machine manages to keep up with Eminem's votes. Tribe's nomination is a thankful recognition of their importance, and a sign they'll be back in a less crowded slate of nominees soon.

Dionne Warwick: A welcome second nomination for Dionne finds her in a nominee slate that initially looks better for her chances, given that the wealth of divas has been whittled down compared to 2021. But those appearances are likely deceiving, given the Hall's often disdainful treatment of pure pop artists. Warwick still has to attend to a number of similar artists, such as Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon; and all of those artists also have multiple credits as songwriters that lend additional credibility to their chances. The best we can hope for is an expanded slate of inductees, along with a desire to get the artists who've waited the longest to get inducted in this year: in that case, Dionne is a likely spoiler. But she is not a lock by any means.

If I picked the Hall:

Beck
Kate Bush
Devo
Fela Kuti
A Tribe Called Quest
Dionne Warwick

Who I think will get in:

Pat Benatar
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Rage Against the Machine
Lionel Richie
and either Beck or Duran Duran

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:53pm

About the 2022 Nominees, Raichu wrote:
Also I just got a notification for the trailer of a new King Crimson documentary. My Early Influence senses are tingling.
Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 16:12pm

King Crimson is not going to be inducted in the early influence category. They've got plenty of support from the inductees who will vote for them to be inducted in the main performers category. Pink Floyd, Genesis, Rush, Yes, The Moody Blues are in! King Crimson, Jethro Tull, and Emerson, Lake & Palmer will get in right away when nominated.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 17:02pm

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horses: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (this is their best chance so far yet)

As much as I love Lionel Richie, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy on his own, I feel that he should been nominated/inducted with The Commodores instead of his solo career. Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, but I feel that there are Male Pop Stars from that era that are more deserving of an induction than Lionel solo like Phil Collins and George Michael. So for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I think he'll get in eventually with The Commodores, but not on his own for his solo career.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 18:14pm

There is no Classic Rock on this year's ballot!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 18:27pm

Roy,

Yes, There is one Classic Rock artist on this year's ballot and that is Pat Benatar, She's got nobody else in that lane this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 18:36pm

Follower,

Didn't go for specific numbers, but I tallied up the RIAA certifications of each nominee, and uhhh yeah, there's a clear winner here. Didn't go for worldwide certifications because this is ultimately an American institution, but the numbers for Kate Bush and Fela Kuti in particular are definitely much lower than they would be if I were counting international. Doing albums first, singles will be in another post.

ALBUMS

1. Eminem
Diamond - 2 (The Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem Show)
7x Platinum - 1 (Curtain Call: The Hits)
4x Platinum - 3 (Slim Shady LP, Encore, The Marshall Mathers LP 2)
3x Platinum - 1 (Recovery)
2x Platinum - 1 (Relapse)
Platinum - 2 (Kamikaze, The Re-Up)
Gold - 3 (Revival, Music to Be Murdered By, Shady XV)

2. Lionel Richie
Diamond - 1 (Can't Slow Down)
4x Platinum - 2 (Lionel Richie, Dancing on the Ceiling)
Platinum - 3 (Tuskegee, Back to Front, The Definitive Collection)
Gold - 3 (Louder Than Words, Coming Home, Truly: The Love Songs)

3. Duran Duran
2x Platinum - 3 (Rio, Seven and the Ragged Tiger, Arena)
Platinum - 5 (Duran Duran, Notorious, The Wedding Album, Decade, Greatest)
Gold - 2 (Big Thing, Thank You)

4. Dolly Parton
2x Platinum - 1 (Once Upon a Christmas)
Platinum - 5 (Here You Come Again, Trio, Eagle When She Flies, Slow Dancing With the Moon, Greatest Hits)
Gold - 9 (Heartbreaker, Great Balls of Fire, 9 to 5 and Odd Jobs, White Limozeen, Home For Christmas, Honky Tonk Angels, Trio II, The Best of Dolly Parton, Dolly Parton)

5. Pat Benatar
4x Platinum - 1 (Crimes of Passion)
2x Platinum - 1 (Precious Time)
Platinum - 3 (Get Nervous, Live From Earth, Tropico)
Gold - 2 (Seven the Hard Way, Wide Awake in Dreamland)

6. Rage Against the Machine
3x Platinum - 2 (Rage Against the Machine, Evil Empire)
2x Platinum - 1 (The Battle of Los Angeles)
Platinum - 1 (Renegades)

7. Judas Priest
2x Platinum - 1 (Screaming For Vengeance)
Platinum - 4 (British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Turbo, Unleashed in the East)
Gold - 6 (Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Killing Machine), Point of Entry, Painkiller, Priest... Live!)

8. Carly Simon
3x Platinum - 1 (The Best of Carly Simon)
Platinum - 4 (No Secrets, Boys in the Trees, Coming Around Again, Greatest Hits Live)
Gold - 3 (Anticipation, Hotcakes, Reflections)

9. Beck
2x Platinum - 1 (Odelay)
Platinum - 1 (Mellow Gold)
Gold - 6 (Mutations, Midnite Vultures, Sea Change, Guero, The Information, Morning Phase)

10. Eurythmics
3x Platinum - 1 (Greatest Hits)
Platinum - 2 (Touch, Be Yourself Tonight)
Gold - 3 (Sweet Dreams, Revenge, Peace)

11. A Tribe Called Quest
Platinum - 3 (The Low End Theory, Midnight Marauders, Beats Rhymes and Life)
Gold - 3 (People's Instinctive Travels..., The Love Movement, We Got It From Here...)

12. Dionne Warwick
Platinum - 2 (Dionne, Heartbreaker)
Gold - 5 (Here Where There Is Love, Valley of the Dolls, Friends, A Decade of Gold, Golden Hits)

13. Devo
Platinum - 1 (Freedom of Choice)
Gold - 1 (Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo)

14. Kate Bush
Gold - 1 (The Sensual World)

15-17. Fela Kuti, MC5. New York Dolls - No RIAA Certified Albums

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 19:15pm

RG,

Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 19:17pm

SINGLES

Eminem
Diamond - 3 (Lose Yourself, Not Afraid, Love the Way You Lie)
6x Platinum - 2 (The Monster, Forever)
5x Platinum - 1 (Till I Collapse)
4x Platinum - 7 (The Real Slim Shady, Without Me, Mockingbird, When I'm Gone, No Love, Rap God, Drop the World)
3x Platinum - 4 (Like Toy Soldiers, Shake That, Berzerk, Godzilla)
2x Platinum - 10 (My Name Is, Stan, Cleanin' Out My Closet, Just Lose It, Crack a Bottle, Beautiful, Space Bound, Smack That, I Need a Doctor, Homicide)
Platinum - 12 (The Way I Am, Superman, Sing For the Moment, Ass Like That, You Don't Know, We Made You, Survival, Headlights, Best Friend, Won't Back Down, Cinderella Man, No Favors)
Gold - 15 (Guilty Conscience, 3 a.m., Guts Over Fear, Phenomenal, Kings Never Die, Kill You, Renegade, My Dad's gone Crazy, Hailie's Song, White America, 8 Mile, Cold Wind Blows, Talkin' 2 Myself, 25 to Life, Love the Way You Lie Pt. II)

Dolly Parton
2x Platinum - 4 (Jolene, 9 to 5, Islands in the Stream, When I Get Where I'm going)
Platinum - 2 (I Will Always Love You, Here You Come Again)

Lionel Richie
Platinum - 1 (Endless Love)
Gold - 4 (Truly, All Night Long, Hello, Say You Say Me)

Dionne Warwick
Gold - 4 (I Say a Little Prayer. Then Came You, I'll Never Love This Way Again, That's What Friends Are For)

Carly Simon
Gold - 4 (You're So Vain, Mockingbird, Nobody Does It Better, Jesse)

Duran Duran
Gold - 3 (Hungry Like the Wolf, The Wild Boys, Ordinary World)

Devo
Platinum - 1 (Whip It)

Pat Benatar
Gold - 2 (Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Love Is a Battlefield)

A Tribe Called Quest
Gold - 2 (Check the Rhime, Scenario)

Beck
Gold - 2 (Loser, Wow)

Eurythmics
Gold - 1 (Sweet Dreams Are Made of This)

Kate Bush, Fela Kuti, Judas Priest, Rage Against the Machine, MC5, New York Dolls - No RIAA certified singles

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 19:34pm

That's by sales, now somebody with Whitburn's book give us the charts data to see if its' any different.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 20:00pm

I think that they'll do 7 inductees this year and they'll go all out on both women and the 80's this year.

Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Eminem will be snubbed FYE just like Radiohead, I'm actually now thinking he will get snubbed although he is the most iconic name on the ballot this year besides Dolly Parton by far, He has a very abrasive image and is a controversial figure and there is a history of other artists like that (Black Sabbath, The Sex Pistols, N.W.A.) taking many nominations (granted, he is much bigger commercially than any of them), Also, he is a white rapper and the other white rappers The Beastie Boys also took several nominations as well, so I'm not sure that Eminem will have universal support from black voters and I'm also not sure how much respect he has from people before him. There are also probably people who won't vote for him because of his problematic lyrics in an era when that has become important. Additionally, I'm not sure how gung-ho the critics will go for him since it seems the standard consensus is that he was an elite artist from 1999-2002 and then remained popular with mostly garbage after that, he kind of comes off like the rap version of Weezer in that way although he was obviously much bigger than them in a pop sense. Plus, there seems to be a pattern in which Rap/Hip-Hop acts get into the Rock Hall and it goes like this:

2007: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2008.
2009: Run-DMC
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2010 and 2011.
2012: The Beastie Boys
2013: Public Enemy
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2014 and 2015.
2016: N.W.A.
2017: Tupac Shakur
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2018 and 2019.
2020: The Notorious B.I.G.
2021: Jay-Z and LL Cool J.

Yes, I now really do think that Eminem will miss out this year and I'm surprised more people aren't predicting it.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 20:17pm

"There are also probably people who won't vote for him because of his problematic lyrics in an era when that has become important. Additionally, I'm not sure how gung-ho the critics will go for him since it seems the standard consensus is that he was an elite artist from 1999-2002 and then remained popular with mostly garbage after that, he kind of comes off like the rap version of Weezer in that way although he was obviously much bigger than them in a pop sense."

Nice job of plagiarizing what Sean posted on Wednesday, 02/2/2022 - 16:42pm

Posted by joker on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 20:53pm

Duran Duran just made it to second place.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 20:55pm

Hey Richie

I'm gonna put this out here again cause I've said it a few times including to you: Eminem was the best selling artist of the 2000s and best selling male artist 2010s in both the US and Worldwide. Not best selling rapper. Best selling overall artist. He's not a simple rap nominee and he's not like Radiohead, he was legit the biggest pop star on the planet for a long, long time.

Elton John went in first year eligible, Madonna went in first year eligible, Prince went in first year eligible. None of those are what you'd traditionally call rock but all towered over their decades, when you are as big as Eminem odds are you are going in as soon as possible.

You compare Eminem to Weezer but the better comparison is Metallica: Metallica had great acclaim, Metallica became massive, Metallica started releases critically derided works but maintained popularity, Metallica is from a genre the hall looks down on, Metallica went in first year on the ballot.

Beyond that you mention black voters but Eminem is incredibly respected by various black publications and outlets including XXL, The Source, BET, Complex, and most importantly Ebony. He's seen as deeply respecting those who came before him like Run-DMC (watch his speech when he inducted them and compare it to Jay's when he inducted Grandmaster Flash) and LL Cool J, has the respect of guys like Dr. Dre, Ice Cube (who has talked about how Eminem stole the show when they toured together), and Jay-Z, helped the rise of various black artists like 50 Cent and Drake, influenced Kendrick, Tyler, Frank Ocean, and Rihanna, and has been one of the most vocal white voices when it comes to championing not only black culture but also black issues. What makes you think he'll have no support there?

Going back to him being the biggest male artist of the 2010s. Why would that not matter to voters who often want to have the hall be relevant?

Yes there is a chance he misses but it's like a 1% chance.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 21:15pm

mat r,

I know that Eminem should be an FYE lock/shoo-in based on all of his success and accomplishments, but I just don't see it, I just think that he's too much of a controversial figure to go in right away, he'll be like Black Sabbath, The Sex Pistols and N.W.A. (who also have an abrasive image) in taking several nominations to get in, The Beastie Boys (also white rappers) also took several nominations to get in as well, Also, I forgot to mention this, but there also may very well be Rap fatigue in the voting body that still isn't 100% sold on the genre and there seems to be a pattern in which Rap/Hip-Hop acts get into the Rock Hall and it goes like this:

2007: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2008.
2009: Run-DMC
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2010 and 2011.
2012: The Beastie Boys
2013: Public Enemy
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2014 and 2015.
2016: N.W.A.
2017: Tupac Shakur
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2018 and 2019.
2020: The Notorious B.I.G.
2021: Jay-Z and LL Cool J

So yeah, I really do think that Eminem will miss out this year just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and I'm surprised more people aren't predicting it.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 21:40pm

Follower,

I actually do have the number of Billboard Top 40 Hits per artist:

Eminem - 43 (52 including features)
Dionne Warwick - 31
Lionel Richie - 16
Duran Duran - 15
Pat Benatar - 15
Carly Simon - 13
Eurythmics - 10
Dolly Parton - 9
Beck - 1 (Loser)
Kate Bush - 1 (Running Up That Hill)
Devo - 1 (Whip It)
A Tribe Called Quest - 0
Fela Kuti - 0
Judas Priest - 0
New York Dolls - 0
Rage Against the Machine - 0
MC5 - 0

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 22:24pm

And the average number of monthly listeners on Spotify:

Eminem - 46,689,267

Dolly Parton - 10,204,880
Lionel Richie - 8,802,137
Eurythmics - 8,336,646
Rage Against the Machine - 7,711,602
Duran Duran - 6,429,616
Beck - 5,165,273

A Tribe Called Quest - 3,947,802
Carly Simon - 3,945,517
Judas Priest - 3,449,560
Kate Bush - 3,302,541
Dionne Warwick - 3,065,902

Devo - 1,391,599

Fela Kuti - 544,098
New York Dolls - 276,154
MC5 - 192,480

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 22:38pm

Greg F,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/3/2022 @ 23:30pm

If I can manage it tonight, I'll break down my thoughts on each nominee. Otherwise, it'll be tomorrow

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 00:09am

Hey Richie

I don't think rap fatigue would apply to him because again he has sold more records in the last 20 years than anyone else in any genre. He is not there to be the rap nominee, he is there because he's the pop mega star.

"He's controversial." Yea 20 years ago and in 2020 former US president Barrack Obama said the following: "When I needed some inspiration on the presidential campaign I often turned to music. It was rap that got my head in the right place. Two songs especially: Jay-Z's 'My 1st Song' and Eminem's 'Lose Yourself'. Both were about defying the odds and putting it all on the line"

If we were talking Kayne I could see it but Eminem in 2022 is a pretty uncontroversial figure. The homophobia might come up but he's got defenders like Elton John voting and talking to other voters.

Also again, Madonna, who wasn't from the rock space and equally controversial 20 years prior to her first time on the ballot (like hell the Sex book came out a little of 15 years prior to it), got in first year.

I feel like you're looking for that 1 in 100000 shot that blocks, and there is one somewhere, but everything you're finding is pretty weak so far in my opinion.

I'll put it this way, him not going in first year would be like Lebron James or Sidney Crosby not going into their hall of fames first year. It would be totally shocking in a way that would probably cause CNN, Fox, and BBC to discuss the hall and how weird the snub is

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 00:17am

I think all of you are overestimating Lionel Richie's induction chances, I feel that a lot of voters are going to look at him as who should have been nominated with The Commodores instead of on his own, despite him being a beloved figure in the music industry and having huge name recognition and star power. I just don't see him getting inducted this year (let alone ever) on his own, but I do see him getting inducted with The Commodores eventually.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 00:54am

Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem
16. Rage Against The Machine
15. MC5
14. New York Dolls
13. Fela Kuti
12. A Tribe Called Quest
11. Devo
10. Judas Priest
09. Beck
08. Dolly Parton
07. Dionne Warwick
06. Lionel Richie
05. Pat Benatar
04. Eurythmics
03. Kate Bush
02. Carly Simon
01. Duran Duran

Who I will vote for:

1, 2, 4 and 5 each and every time and the 5th slot will be alternating between 3, 6, 7 and 8.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 05:57am

K-Dawg,
Good to see you on the Nominee forum. I wanted to break down my thoughts on each nominee. Each year I tend to break it up in 2 parts.
Beck: He is hugely creative and deserving. I think he may make it. It's possible I don't listen to him much.at all. I know an album called Odelay. That seems to be his breakthrough.
Pat Benatar: I am sure glad to see Pat Benatar get another nomination. Pat Benatar: I'm reasonably sure she'll get in this year, but I wouldn't place her as a 100% lock. Last year, the Go-Go's not only had the female rock slot all too themselves, but they virtually had the entire classic rock slot empty as well; Pat is competing slightly against Eurythmics who have Annie Lennox. Based on her status as a classic rock staple, I think she has a really good chance.
Kate Bush: Kate Bush has potential to win votes while also having a lot of stiff competition from the other nominees. Carly Simon and Dolly Parton seem to be fighting over the female singer-songwriter slot this year. Right now, I see Kate Bush Not getting inducted. Maybe some other time.


Devo: We still have some momentum for keyboard and synth-based artists getting into the Hall, with Depeche Mode two years ago, then Kraftwerk getting Special category last year. Devo is the next logical act to fulfill that role for induction into the Hall; but they still have the same drawbacks in place against them. They still have the label of "one-hit wonder" on them when brought up in discussions; plus this year they have two huge MTV-era bands (Duran Duran and Eurythmics) who had much bigger success. Personally, I don't see them getting in that soon.

Duran Duran: Presumably, the Rock Hall remembers the reaction Simon Le Bon and Steven Taylor got from the crowd when they inducted Roxy Music. Originally written off as the commercial version of post-punk or New Wave bands from the 1980s, relying on style and videos rather than their actual songs, the lads in Duran Duran have found themselves the beneficiaries of a long, stretched out comeback.

Eminem: The most likely sure thing inductee this year, I have still Not heard any of his stuff. But I know this is arguably the first time a hip hop artist has been positioned on the ballot as a potential headliner. That there has been a growing backlash against Marshall Mathers and some of his lyrical content is understandable; and the fact that this year's hip hop slot will be going to a white guy doesn't help his case in terms of representation and the Rock Hall. He is one of the biggest and Most known names on Ballot.


. Eurythmics: One of the great successes from the '80s heyday of MTV, the two members of Eurythmics have a ton of popularity both as a group and for their later efforts separately: Annie Lennox as a solo artist, and Dave Stewart as a producer and songwriter. Add in Lennox's iconic presence in videos, and the act seems like a slam dunk inductee. Unfortunately, a lot of their output has been overshadowed by one song ("Sweet Dreams"), and I got to admit thats the song I know best. Also overshadowed by both Pat Benatar, who has the same '80s iconic status as well as more songs in Mainstream rock. and by Kate Bush, who has a stronger alt-rock presence. With a crowded ballot, I don't see this as the year for them.

That's it for Now. I always break these thoughts up into 2 parts.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 06:15am

Judas Priest: Again, the Hall has tried to limit the heavy metal portion of the ballot to one major name, and give Judas Priest another shot with a clearer path set aside for them. There is still biases but this could be the year for Priest and maybe NOT Rage Against TM.

Fela Kuti: I'm NOT surprised to see Fela make it onto another ballot. I am certain he would get inducted as an Early Influence or Musical Excellence candidate this year. Based on last year's expanded use of the side categories, I thought that lesser-known but influential artists like Fela Kuti would be held off from getting a Performer nomination moving forward. But it will be customary for some artists to be attempted as a Performer and then get inducted into a Special Category. This happened last year I think.

The MC5: After taking a year off as a nominee the MC5 find themselves in a familiar position: being one of the nominees with the least recognition value on a given year's slate. This year they are back: they have credibility as a '60s political act and proto-punk outfit; but without a major push for their greater recognition outside small music circles they just don't have any chance to make it this year.

I break these thoughts up. Again That's it for Now. Later

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 07:37am

RG

Were you including like Commodores, D12, and Bad Meets Evil in those numbers?

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 08:21am

RG

Sorry to clarify: The number of Top 40 singles

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 08:33am

Ha actually I did 2 parts for my thoughts on Nominees. This is Part 3 for my thoughts on the Nominees. I will Now continue.

New York Dolls: Another shot for these punk pioneers to get in finds them in a worse position than they had last year. Along with being placed in direct competition with the MC5, who have a similar place in music history, the Dolls no longer have the momentum that came in the past. They have very little chance. I would predict them in a Special category but I have others I'm predicting.

Dolly Parton: Look, she's getting in this year; and, like most of humanity, I have no problems with her either as a performer or a human being. I'd rather see others get in. Out of all the genres of music connected to Rock 'n' Roll, with the possible exception of jazz, I find inducting country artists as Performers into the Rock Hall is a waste. There is an entire Awards show in place for the country industry, for which Parton has been duly and deservedly recognized. If she needs to get into the Hall at all, put her in as an Early Influence, or into Musical Excellence for her songwriting and work as a collaborator; and leave her slot open for someone like solo Diana Ross, among others. But I do predict she will be Inducted this year. It's an extra slot for a woman.
Rage Against the Machine: Up until this week, I just assumed RATM would be paired up with Soundgarden, and find themselves in second position against another '90s hard rock act for another year. But, surprisingly, not only did the Hall not nominate Soundgarden, but they left out any other Alternative hard rock acts from the ballot, thus giving Rage a wide open path to monopolize those voters this year. I feel like this is a deck clearing exercise for the Hall, to get an act they obviously want inducted. I'm not crazy about Morello's obvious conflicts of interest; but I think this is their year to be inducted

Lionel Richie: Another longtime snub finally getting a first nomination, Richie is in a good position to see his way in this year. As a solo artist, Richie went in a decidedly pop or adult contemporary direction, which would put him on a similar level with Dionne Warwick. However, Richie also has a strong history as a songwriter for other artists, as well as his work with the Commodores (who I I expected to be nominated over Richie solo), which strengthens On top of that, I have noticed the Hall seems to have removed any other potential R&B artists from the ballot, opening the way up for him to slide in. Richie is someone who should have been inducted years ago, either as a solo artist or with the Commodores: I see this as happening.

Carly Simon: Seemingly taking up Carole King's songwriting slot from last year, Simon's case pales in comparison to hers, as she's lacking that one classic album or the history of writing for other artists that King possessed. But she has a large body of Work. If Simon had gotten her nomination long ago she would have had a strong shot at getting in; This year she has an even better chance. She has been a key singer/songwriter for decades.

A Tribe Called Quest: An interesting surprise nominee this year sees hip hop's early 90s era represented, over more recent hitmakers such as Outkast. Tribe is a solid pick, with a Rap act I actually like a little bit. They are innovative and important.


Dionne Warwick: A welcome second nomination for Dionne finds her in a nominee slate that initially looks better for her chances, given that the wealth of divas has been whittled down compared to 2021. But it is representation for the 1960s. Warwick does have a bunch of competition this year. I predicted her and was correct. But I highly doubt she is inducted as Performer. I predict her as Early Influence. I predicted her as both. Last there was picks attempted as Performer and went to Special categories. Thats the case her I think.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 09:30am

http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/top_artists/t0.htm
For the past two induction classes, The voters seem to be favoring the more critically acclaimed acts but also popular with name recognition as well, Here's the 2020 nominees in order of critical acclaim:

Kraftwerk are at #52
Depeche Mode are at #117
T. Rex are at #151
Nine Inch Nails are at #160
The Notorious B.I.G. is at #184
Soundgarden are at #266
Motorhead are at #291
MC5 are at #292
Todd Rundgren is at #309
Thin Lizzy are at #323
Whitney Houston is at #436
Judas Priest are at #685
The Doobie Brothers are at #879
Rufus & Chaka Khan are at #1117
Pat Benatar is at #1502
Dave Matthews Band is at #1548

Here's the 2021 nominees in order of critical acclaim:

Jay-Z is at #36
Kate Bush is at #91
Foo Fighters are at #195
Carole King is at #227
Rage Against The Machine are at #239
LL Cool J is at #289
Iron Maiden are at #296
Todd Rundgren is at #309
New York Dolls are at #311
Devo are #356
Mary J. Blige is at #410
Fela Kuti is at #498
Dionne Warwick is at #537
Tina Turner is at #632
The Go-Go's are at #769
Chaka Khan is at #1265

And now, Here's the 2022 nominees in order of critical acclaim:

Beck is at #46
Kate Bush is at #91
Eminem is at #104
A Tribe Called Quest are at #116
Rage Against The Machine are at #239
MC5 are at #292
New York Dolls are at #311
Eurythmics are at #344
Devo are at #356
Duran Duran are at #357
Dolly Parton is at #425
Fela Kuti is at #498
Dionne Warwick is at #537
Judas Priest are at #685
Carly Simon is at #1041
Lionel Richie is at #1091
Pat Benatar is at #1502

It seems that the voters are favoring the more critically acclaimed acts but also popular with name recognition as well in terms of the past two induction classes and I expect that this will continue this year as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 09:50am

I know somebody posted this a while ago, but I am too lazy to look.

Who are the acts that have finished in the top 5 of the fan vote but have not gotten in yet? I'm thinking there are about 6 or so. Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, Dave Matthews and Soundgarden are the ones off the top of my head.

Posted by remy10 on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 11:55am

Hey richie

I feel the acclaim factor is a big thing and I think Beck should have an edge there. However when he won "album of the year" at the Grammys Twitter lit up with "who is beck?" and Kanye hijacked the moment. What is traditionally one of the biggest moments for an artist got completely ruined for him i think a lot of voters will remember that he got up staged and became a bit of a punchline then and his win over Bjork, St. Vincent, and Artic Monkeys a few years ago was met with a grunt from music press. He's also suffered a decline in recent years, Odelay went from 9 to 19 on Pitchfork's top 90s list and 306 to 424 on Rolling Stone's top 500 (sea change dropped off). He's also seemingly less influential than many of his contemporaries (eg Green Day, Bjork, and Weezer). That said "Loser" and "Where It's At" are a quite celebrated singles to this day and staples of radio.

I think he will benefit but he could be met with a meh

Kate Bush is the interesting one because seemingly every year her influence and acclaim grows. Of course she lacks the US success but as voters read about the new generation of more somewhat traditional rock stars like Phoebe Bridgers and Mitski rise and they see constant comparisons to Kate Bush I think that could have an impact on the vote. Also their kids and grandkids making TikToks to "Running Up That Hill" and "Wuthering Heights".

And again, I know you don't think it's going to happen, we have Eminem. This guy is in a very, very, very good place to go in.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 11:57am

RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W. K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my predictions on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think this is their best chance yet so far)

As much as I love Lionel Richie, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy on his own, I feel that he should have been nominated with The Commodores instead of his solo career. Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, but I feel that there are other Male Pop Stars from that era that are more deserving of an induction than Lionel solo like Phil Collins and George Michael. So for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I think he'll get in eventually with The Commodores, but not on his own for his solo career.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 12:29pm

Mat R,

Nope, I just included singles released under the name they were nominated under, so solo hits and features/duets. I'm sure including Commodores would bump Lionel up quite a bit.

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 12:55pm

Richie, I will be flabbergasted if Eminem isn't inducted. Him being white helps, IMO.

That said, I think he is a deserving FYE inductee.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 13:16pm

Richie, I have seen Mr. Ritchie in concert (set at Bonnaroo a few years ago)) and he is a star. He has alot of great songs and is a deserving inductee on his own. I do wish he'd been nominated with The Commodores, but he wasn't and that should not be held against him.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 13:24pm

RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W, K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 13:56pm

Ok so I'm looking at the current standings on the main hall site, and Eminem is in 2nd place. Combined with the tweet about fans taking the bait in the twitter feed has left me confused. Is there something I missed here?

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 14:33pm

I looked at Casper's post from last year and it turns out we have another chart vs. sales difference. Sales-wise, Eminem is the biggest albums act. Chart-wise, it's Dionne Warwick. (She's # 72, he's # 128) Now I'd like to see the Singles chart for both of them.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 14:38pm

Raichu,

FLR still thinks that the Fan Vote is less important than it really is. If it was as unimportant as he says it is, then the 2020 results would have been common rather than an outliner.

In his mind, people voting in the fan poll are "taking the bait" since it doesn't matter as much as the Hall promotes it (but it matters more than FLR gives it credit for. Again, every year aside from 2020 at least 3 of the top 5, including the winner, has been inducted.)

However, I do think 3 of FLR's 5 ideas are good. I don't like "End it after one week" or "vote once per e-mail address", but I do like "Require everyone to vote for 5 artists", "Allow voters to opt-out of marketing emails" and "Be clear and upfront about how much it counts".

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 14:45pm

Sorry for the triple post, but Carly Simon (#97) is also ahead of Eminem as an albums act chart wise.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 14:48pm

Follower,
That doesn't really answer my question of why Eminem is doing so well. Judging from past fan votes, rappers don't do that well in those. Tribe is evidence to that hy being in 12th place (tho that is better than something like last year where the 3 rap nominees were the in the bottom 3)

Also who is FLR?

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 14:56pm

Raichu,

FLR is the master of this website and the guy who makes many of those tweets. As for why Eminem is now in first place, it's because he's huge. Biggest Albums and Singles act by sales, most monthly Spotify listeners, top selling artist in two different decades, and general acclaim. He also does a better job at getting non-rockists to vote than Jay-Z did.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:01pm

Accidently said FLR instead of FRL. Future Rock Legends.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:03pm

Follower,
This may sound dumb, but could another reason he's doing better be because he's white?

I'm not trying to make this a race thing but it is a good point to bring up

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:04pm

Raichu,

You could be right. Many people invested in the rock hall have a "Modern Black Music isn't Rock and Roll" mindset.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:20pm

Nominating Lionel Richie before the Commodores isn't only disrespectful to the group, it's another case of the RRHOF failure to include complete acts, much like Steve Miller, Bob Marley, Bob Seger, and Paul McCartney (talking about Wings, not the Beatles, obviously). Picking off the cherry from the ice cream sundae doesn't complete the nomination...

That said, he is a worthy nominee...just should've gone the other way first and try to help that underrepresented 70s R and B/Soul/Funk genre...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:26pm

I don't think Richie was actually arguing Eminem won't get in. I think somebody was for some reason posting my post under Richie's name for some reason, even though I definitely don't think Richie himself would have plagiarized my post. Perhaps I was too strident. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he gets in but I do think a lot of his ballot rivals will make it difficult for him because so many of the white members of the hall are members of '60s and '70s rock groups who I think would say "over my dead body" to his candidacy. Will anyone from The Hollies or Deep Purple or KISS or Journey etc... vote for him? It seems unlikely. And I think the black voters would strongly prefer to vote for Tribe and maybe Richie and Warwick, while the white rock voters would prefer their peers first and probably Beck and RATM among the '90s acts. I'm probably overstating the current influence of the Eddie Trunk contingent and I'm probably wrong and his popularity probably is enough to carry him, but this ballot is kind of awful for him since I don't think most of the white voters will vote for rappers and I think most of the black voters will prefer Tribe instead. Critics and industry people likely will go for Eminem though so yeah, I'm probably wrong.

The act that seems to occupy the closest cultural space to Eminem IMO when considering popularity, critical acclaim, length of cultural dominance, and even image seems to be not any rap act but Guns N' Roses. They were both extremely popular and extremely critically acclaimed over a short three year period (1988-91 for GNR and 1999-2002 for Eminem) and then one of them stopped recording and the other one continued to have hits that most people didn't care about much. Axl and Eminem were both homophobic and sexist in their prime, but have become more progressive recently. Eminem was certainly much more influential as I don't think GNR is very high on influence since they emerged at the tail end of the hair metal movement and I struggle to think of any critically acclaimed artists they influenced except for Manic Street Preachers. But for as much as the early users on this site in the late 2000s went on about influence and innovation being the main factors for induction, that never really seemed to be the case. It seems induction comes down to popularity + critical acclaim + industry respect. GNR was first ballot because they had all three of those things even though they didn't really have much influence (unless you want to say they paved the way for grunge or something by diminishing the cultural respect of the other hair metal acts.) Eminem also has those three things, but the difference is that GNR burned out and you can just ignore Chinese Democracy if you want since people basically quickly forgot about it, while it's probably harder to ignore 20 years of mediocrity especially when his mediocre stuff was generally more popular than GNR's mediocre stuff. Also, obviously the '60s and '70s guitar rockers liked GNR and I suspect they don't like Eminem, but I may be wrong. Yes, people mentioned that Elton John was a big fan (actually of both of them which is shocking since Axl and Eminem were both homophobes at the time.) I just think there's still going to be a large contingent of voters who are going to say "over my dead body" and I just remember that the Beastie Boys didn't get in on their first attempt either so I think white rappers have it harder in the voting body than black ones (maybe I'm also overestimating Beck for this reason.)

Obviously Eminem is leading the fan vote because he is the only person on this list still having pop hits. The "extremely online" people on the Internet tend to be young and for them Eminem is an icon. Is Eminem as much of an icon to '60s, '70s, and '80s artists? I'm definitely guessing not. But yeah, I did kind of forget about the fact that there are many industry insiders on the vote and they'll go for him. Probably he can cobble together enough of a coalition between critics, industry insiders, and some white and black voters to push him over the line but I definitely do not think he will be the top vote-getter (I actually think that will be Lionel Richie.) If either Beck or Tribe wasn't on the ballot or if the ballot voters were millennials/zoomers instead of boomers/Gen X, I agree Eminem would be a 100% lock, but just not seeing that with these voters. But yeah, I admit I was too strident and probably wrong. I do think I made a good case for what his liabilities were with this voting body though.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:31pm

Eminem is number one now! That's incredible! Dude is breaking records left and right on this fan poll.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:38pm

"I feel the acclaim factor is a big thing and I think Beck should have an edge there. However when he won "album of the year" at the Grammys Twitter lit up with "who is beck?" and Kanye hijacked the moment. What is traditionally one of the biggest moments for an artist got completely ruined for him i think a lot of voters will remember that he got up staged and became a bit of a punchline then and his win over Bjork, St. Vincent, and Artic Monkeys a few years ago was met with a grunt from music press. He's also suffered a decline in recent years, Odelay went from 9 to 19 on Pitchfork's top 90s list and 306 to 424 on Rolling Stone's top 500 (sea change dropped off). He's also seemingly less influential than many of his contemporaries (eg Green Day, Bjork, and Weezer). That said "Loser" and "Where It's At" are a quite celebrated singles to this day and staples of radio."

While Grammy choices are always random and pretty meaningless, I do think winning the Grammy for Album of the Year is a good indicator for how much industry respect you have, which is also a good reflection of an artist's chances (again, why I think Richie is a strong contender since he's also won it.) Obviously the album Beck won his Grammy for was not one of his most iconic albums and it was really a make-up for previous work they hadn't recognized, which they do all the time (Steely Dan, Santana, Eric Clapton, Nirvana winning their only Grammy for the Unplugged album...) But I really do not think any of the Hall voters give two hoots about whether people on Twitter have heard of the artists they'd vote for. They'd probably actually be proud to induct somebody that Twitter users would sneer at.

Rock certainly lost significant influence in the mainstream from Beck's heyday until now which is what that mainly reflects but I think it's hard to say that rock has lost significant influence amongst the people who comprise the Voting Committee.

Richie was chosen over the Commodores probably because they think it will be easier to get him in that way, and that's probably true. I totally think Richie is getting in on this nomination and I totally think the Commodores wouldn't. And I don't think you could just do "Lionel Richie and the Commodores" to cover the whole thing because unlike Rufus featuring Chaka Khan, they were never billed that way. The Rock Hall has always preferred soloists over groups if the singer was bigger than the group was and that's unlikely to change, especially when considering TODAY's pop scene when almost all the big stars are solo artists. So sadly, Richie will get in and the Commodores don't even though both deserve it, George Michael will get in and Wham! won't (Wham! doesn't deserve it though), Justin Timberlake will get in and NSYNC won't (and obviously they don't deserve it), and Beyonce will get in and Destiny's Child probably won't (although I think they have the best chance of the groups mentioned here.)

Posted by Sean on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:43pm

Honestly, Eminem came out when the "gen x" ( I hate generational labels sometimes) were very much impressionable by music in the late 90s. I think he skates in with a huge top vote because anyone born after 1970 recognizes him and his signiilficance

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:45pm

What percentage of the Voting Committee was born after 1970? It's got to be less than 10%.

Posted by Sean on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:49pm

I just noticed:

This year, we don't really have a successor to the Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfner/Brian Eno/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl streak of "well respected members of lesser bands" trend.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:50pm

Follower,

I think that Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart fill this year's Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfler/Brian Eno & Bryan Ferry/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl slot of well-respected members of a band or a group/duo.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:55pm

"This year, we don't really have a successor to the Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfner/Brian Eno/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl streak of "well respected members of lesser bands" trend."

I think that's Lionel Richie. The Rock Hall establishment clearly views the Commodores as a lesser band if they haven't nominated him yet. Richie is the guy who will be carried by his industry connections. Like I said, he wrote "We Are the World" and so much rock royalty was on that...

Posted by Sean on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 15:57pm

Plebeian,

Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:07pm

So, I made a what-if fan vote based off of this year's nominees in a Google form. Changes include:
Changing the number of nominees from 17 to 20
Removing Carly Simon, Lionel Richie, MC5, Devo, and Kate Bush
In their place are Meat Loaf, The Monkees, The Commodores, Slade, Cher, Soundgarden, Warren Zevon, and Fiona Apple

Here's the link to the form if anyone is intrested: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSefUWI-gDsBhLGCaWMnKwgEdcdCIyz175y4hePCxJ6VVfmD2g/viewform?usp=sf_link

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:14pm

Dont use the form link, its in multiple choice which only lets you pick one option instead of 7. My original comment explaining this didn't go through due to spam fsr.

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:39pm

Didn't I already give you mine, Richie?

Anyway

Eminem (sure-Fire and fan vote winner)
Dolly Parton (just a recognizable figure in music in general)
Duran Duran (may vote split with other new wave acts, but prevail in commercial success)
Rage Against The Machine (Not cause I LOVE them [I really do], but because 1) the ceremony is in L.A., 2) debut turns 30 this year, and 3) Almost a clear lane to themselves. Plus possibly so Morello can finally stop clogging the 90s rock block)
Pat Benatar (Classic Rock pick of the bunch)
Judas Priest (Probably combined with Rage to get Metal love for the Hall)

Dark horses/wild cards:

Lionel Richie (Has the commercial appeal, but lacks the overall critical love. However, every black voter may rally for him)
Beck (Opposite of Richie, though more respected compared to him)
Carly Simon (Unlike King, Newman, and funny enough her ex-husband James Taylor, she lacks a essential album for her and critical love for me to consider seriously. Though she has a clear lane of sorts.)


RG, K-Dawg, Richie, Michael W., Etc.
Your thoughts?

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:41pm

Ok. Here are my early predictions for induction:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:42pm

Ok the response method in the google form has been changed from multiple choice to check boxes. It should be good to go now.

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 17:50pm

While most years at least 3 of the Top 5 in the Fan Vote gets in, including last year. Sometimes four get in (2019), but never all five. Of the current top 5 (Eminem-Pat Benatar-Duran Duran-Dolly Parton-Eurythmics) who do you guys think is the most likely to not get inducted?

Of those five, I would say Eurythmics since they aren't a new nomination like Duran Duran, Dolly, or Em, and less people are calling them a snub than Pat.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 18:24pm

Follower,

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this will be the first year that all of the top five acts in the fan vote (Eminem, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Dolly Parton and Eurythmics) get in, If there was ever a year that all of the top five acts in the fan vote get in in the same year, it's this year with Eminem, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Dolly Parton and Eurythmics.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 18:42pm

hey sean

I agree voters probably won't give a hoot but I think there is a chance some remember that and might think "wow what a loser" or maybe the gotta keep the hall relevant voters sees it and thinks "not now" and not vote for him. I think it's unlikely but I wouldn't be shocked if it comes up.

Now regarding this:

"Rock certainly lost significant influence in the mainstream from Beck's heyday until now which is what that mainly reflects but I think it's hard to say that rock has lost significant influence amongst the people who comprise the Voting Committee."

I don't know if I agree the rock thing is a factor cause simply put Beck isn't really rock but straight up an alternative artist who like rap and country, most of his big tracks did poor on rock radio, and with that I think Beck is likely to be seen as a singer-songwriter contender rather than a rock star contender by a lot of voters. I know people him being in competition with Eminem or Rage has been mentioned but he might be in competition with Carly Simon as well despite the generation gap.

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 19:01pm

To update mine

Locks
-Eminem

Near Locks
-Dolly Parton
-Duran Duran
-Lionel Richie
-Dionne Warwick

Fighting for #6
- Judas Priest
- Pat Benatar
- Carly Simon

Outsiders who could shock
- Kate Bush
- A Tribe Called Quest
- Devo
- Beck

Will get Early Influence: MC5 or Fela Kuti

Will get Award for Musical Excellence: Devo or Kate Bush or Fela Kuti

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 19:34pm

Here is my what-if ballot link from earlier for those that missed it: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSefUWI-gDsBhLGCaWMnKwgEdcdCIyz175y4hePCxJ6VVfmD2g/viewform?usp=sf_link

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 19:44pm

RG, Greg F and Raichu,

Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 20:20pm

RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/4/2022 @ 23:12pm

Okay...here is some thoughts on each of the nominees...

Eminem - Yes, I get that he's "white". Yes, he is as controversial a choice for the RRHOF since arguably the Sex Pistols, who call it a "piss stain". All the controversy surrounding Marshal Mathers, his influence and legend cannot be understated. The man is as much iconic to the past 24 years or so as any other musician. He will, and should, go in on his FYE.

A Tribe Called Quest - A forgotten pioneer in rap. On the same pantheon as NWA and Public Enemy, not as polarizing. Along with Wu-Tang, probably these 4 put rap on the map. Curious as to why it's been so long for them to get any mention. Sadly, a minimal chance to get in this year, and probably for a few years as more visible hip hop artists become eligible or the next in line.

Duran Duran - It's been a decade or more since they were first eligible, and the RRHOF has taken its time piecing in the story of the 80s mainstream music. It is the LeBon/Taylor show's turn to see the bright lights of Canton. I predict they will skate in as one of the easy picks. Their sound blends so much of the 80s. It's mainstream catchy, yet synth and the sound are very new wave, yet they are enduring and constantly change their style.

Carly Simon - I was one of the minority who had Carly in their predictions, and my reasoning is simple. The Hall is trying to get all the 60s and 70s folk and singer/songwriting females taken care of. "You're So Vain" is one of the symbolic songs of the 70s. I don't see her path as clear as it could be, but she has the same voters that Carole King and Joan Baez have had in recent years. It won't be long.

Dionne Warwick - Dionne is a very gifted singer and definitely a fan favorite in recent years. I just see too many obstacles in her way to be inducted any time soon. Truthfully, I'm stunned she got another nomination this year. There is a contingent that may support her, but she has to compete against other females and other rb/soul types.

Judas Priest - Such a tough call. The committee did their damnedest to get Priest minimal competition, as Pat Benatar is the only other real rock purist option on this ballot, but I still don't know if their support is there. Time is of the essence for the early metal bands, because they have a real chance to get leapfrogged by 90s and 00s nu metal and other subgenres really quick. Pantera and Linkin Park, I'm talking about you...so this one is a 50/50

Dolly Parton - A very surprising pick, and yet not a shocker all in one. Willie Nelson figured to be the next country star after Johnny Cash, and he should have been nominated given his age and health conditions this year, but I get there is a movement to get more female inclusion. I think, by sheer star power, Dolly will probably get a nod to enter Cleveland this year.

Beck - His influence is undeniable. Back in the 90s, we weren't sure what to do with him. Was he rap? Was he techno or pop? Was he alternative? He was a bit of everything;he really was the definition of "alternative" by the mid 90s. One year he will get in, I just don't think it's there for him yet with such a diverse ballot.

Eurythmics - Yes, Duran Duran and Devo are on this list. New wave is well represented here. What sets apart Annie and Dave from other acts in the same vein is their sheer starpower, connections in the industry, and contributions to so many artists and genres. They are vastly influential in their own rights separately, together they are a slam dunk for the Hall. I think they have a good chance of entering the gates this year. Not guaranteed, but they are on the top of the hopefuls

Devo - I will be honest. I don't know a ton of Devo's backstory, and Whip It takes most of my knowledge of their library. They seem to be a very talented group. They are overshadowed this year; I don't know it they make the Hall or just become a perennial MC5 or Rufus. Which brings us to...

New York Dolls - Very talented and influential. However, their route to the Hall rests in Early Influence. I think that's why the were nommed this year, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them enter the side door here.

Lionel Richie - I have made my feelings quite clear that this should've been the Commodores slot. My opinion aside, his influence cannot be ignored, and he's another one of the huge stars of the pop laden 80s. "All NIght Long" on its own is one of the greatest songs ever written and I don't feel gets enough love. He has a good chance to enter the RRHOF this year, but he faces a logjam in his genre that could split the vote.

Kate Bush - She just keeps running up that hill. (Sorry couldn't resist). Kate is someone who should be way more famous than she is. She definitely belongs, and if the RRHOF weren't so Americentric, she would be. I think she falls short this year.

Rage Against the Machine - Again. 4 years, and I think we've predicted them at least 3 of them to finally go in on their merits and Tom Morello's connections. They need to go in, so we can get all these other 90s rock bands going because at this point, all Rage is doing is stealing a spot from other bands. I cautiously will say this is their year finally. I won't guarantee it though

MC5 - a perennial bridesmaid. They will be just another name, another year.

Fela Kuti - He is definitely influential and innovative. But he is ME material.

Thoughts? I don't have complete knowledge of every single act, although for the majority of them I am pretty well versed. Thanks for reading, all!

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 03:55am

Sorry, just realized I left out Pat Benatar...

Pat Benatar - She has the rock contingent. She has the female contingent. Why wasn't she elected 2 years ago? It's a toss up for sure, and she is on the fringe. She has as much of a question mark as Judas Priest this year. I just don't know

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 04:01am

Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem
16. Rage Against The Machine
15. MC5
14. New York Dolls
13. Fela Kuti
12. A Tribe Called Quest
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent)
01. Duran Duran (prog)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick, or Dolly Parton (depending on what day it is).

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 04:03am

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 04:26am

Great, diverse list. One big hope is that the main performers ballot doesn't end up all white, which could be a danger of happening. I'm hoping Lionel and Dionne both break through. Lionel at least, I feel pretty safe about. But even just having one feels tokenistic.

Anyway, Dolly I feel like, is so beloved, that she's a lock. Hopefully her induction opens up the doors for Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline and Gram Parsons.

Rooting the most for Carly Simon to get in. Once she does, hopefully Warren Zevon can finally get a nod. And that'll complete the 70s singer-songwriter set for me. Give or take a Croce or Nilsson. But both of them are borderline for me.

In terms of future female nominees, I feel like Cher, Diana and Mariah will all get nominated within the next 5 years. Hoping Karen Carpenter can also break through and the Shangri-Las don't get completely forgotten. We also need a female MC to finally be nominated. Queen Latifah has the name recognition and industry cred but it would be nice to see a Salt N Pepa nom. Missy will follow when she's eligible.

The other nominee I'm most rooting for is Priest. I'm not even a metalhead but the subgenre is really under-represented. Even Prog got some reparations in the 2010s (Jethro Tull remains on the outside looking in though). Priest, Maiden and Motorhead all need to be in at least.

Duran Duran is nearly a lock, with all their momentum. Hopefully their induction makes them look at The Smiths again.

Eurhythmics and Pat, I would be happy to see in as well, but their star wattage might be a little low compared to some others in the ballot. Pat has a decent shot though after being a bigger snub last year. Both acts will get in eventually.

Eminem... stone cold lock. Unless, he's another Radiohead fluke.

Posted by M on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 07:57am

Here's who i think are the possible choices for induction.

Eminem: 100% lock & guarantee for induction, he'll be a 10th rapper doing so.

Duran Duran: If The Cure & Depeche Mode are inducted so can Duran Duran, they defined MTV generation & sold a lot of records not to mention they're still active. 2021 class is the 1st time that not any british act got inducted so i'll except the trend to come back once again with DD having a strong possibility.

Rage Against the Machine: This is their 4th nomination & i highly anticipated that these guys will finally be inducted since they're the only 90's alt rock band being nominated this year & Tom Morello being on the committee.

Judas Priest: If the Hall could finally embrace Metal, then Priest is strongest choice of all. I think their 3rd nomination would be a charm for them since it worked for Deep Purple back in 2016. They're another british act with a strong possibility just like Duran Duran.

Pat Benatar: Tina Turner & The Go Go's are inducted so it's a 90% chance that Pat would finally become one of the six artists for induction this year since a lot of fans are upset about her snub following 2020 induction.

Lionel Richie or Dolly Parton: Possibly my wild cards since this is only their 1st nominations, maybe if they don't get inducted as performers then Early Influence & Musical Excellence would be their calls.

As for the rest of the nominees, i could see several of them being inducted under EI & AME with Dionne Warwick, MC5, New York Dolls, Fela Kuti & Devo as the strongest contenders & possibilities. Acts like Beck, Eurythmics & A Tribe Called Quest would have to wait a few more years & nominations to finally get inducted while Kate Bush & Carly Simon won't be inducted anytime soon. Just my thoughts.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 09:08am

Jordan Einstein,

While I agree on your picks, I do disagree on NYD and Devo. Seems like an opportunity to have those two be inducted in their respective cities for the next two ceremonies. Dolls will be eligible next year for EI as they are not 25 years yet. Devo still got plenty of time left.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 10:25am

Once again posting my fan-fan vote google form link thing for those who care. Currently have 2 responses (one of them being myself). If I don't end up getting more than 2 responses I'll stop annoying everyone with the link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSefUWI-gDsBhLGCaWMnKwgEdcdCIyz175y4hePCxJ6VVfmD2g/viewform?usp=sf_link

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 13:08pm

A few more random statistics about this nominee class:

Fela Kuti is the oldest person nominated this year, born in 1938, though Dionne Warwick is the oldest living nominee of the bunch, born in 1940. Eminem is the youngest person nominated this year, born in 1972. If/when inducted, Eminem would be the fifth youngest artist in the Hall, only older than Tre Cool of Green Day by a month and three members of Nine Inch Nails and Red Hot Chili Peppers that joined later in their respective groups careers, Alessandro Cortini, Josh Klinghoffer, and Ilan Rubin.

In terms of generations, Fela Kuti and Dionne Warwick are the two members of the Silent Generation on the ballot. The Gen Xers on the ballot are the members of Rage Against the Machine, A Tribe Called Quest, Beck, and Eminem. The rest of the nominated artists are Baby Boomers, with MC5, Carly Simon, Dolly Parton, New York Dolls, and Judas Priest on the older side and Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Kate Bush, and Duran Duran on the younger side, with DEVO kind of in the middle.

There are 12 American artists on the ballot, 4 British artists, and of course Fela Kuti from Nigeria.

Carly Simon, A Tribe Called Quest, Pat Benatar, and the New York Dolls are all from New York City, with Dionne Warwick originating in nearby Orange, NJ. If inducted, they would be the 44th-48th inductees from the New York area.

Eurythmics and Kate Bush are Londoners, and would be the 33rd/34th Greater London Area inductees.

Beck and Rage Against the Machine are both from Los Angeles, and would be the 28th/29th Los Angeles area inductees in the Hall.

Eminem and MC5 would be the 14th/15th inductees from Detroit.

Duran Duran and Judas Priest would be the 5th/6th inductees from Birmingham, England.

DEVO would be the first inductees from Akron, OH, and the fifth overall from the Cleveland/NE Ohio area after The Moonglows, The O'Jays, Bobby Womack, and Nine Inch Nails.

Lionel Richie would be the first inductee from Tuskegee, AL, and the third from Alabama overall after Hank Williams and Percy Sledge.

Dolly Parton is from the area around Knoxville, TN. She would be the first Knoxville-based inductee, and the second from East Tennessee after The Impressions.

Fela Kuti would of course be the first Lagosian, Nigerian, and African inductee to be inducted into the Hall!

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 13:53pm

Plebeian,

I never said this year for NYD & Devo.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 14:04pm

RG,

Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks this year for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 15:22pm

Three things I'm not seeing mentioned yet regarding Rage

1. Will being rap rock turn them off to traditionalist voters and rap voters?
2. Will influencing Nu Metal hurt them?
3. Are they too radically left wing? (they possibly are the most aggressively political ever nominated, both musically and outside of music)

Thoughts

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 15:43pm

First of all, I personally love Rage Against the Machine. And as a voter, I would be as open minded as possible in recognizing how important RATM was to Rock 'n' Roll History.

Second of all, yes, they did influence Nu Metal. But many of the bands that followed RATM — not all of them, mind you, but many of them — were copycats who couldn't measure up to them. That's not RATM's fault.

Finally — and this is the most important point — Rage Against the Machine was all about rebellion against the evils of the American political system. I mean, come on, the band's name says it all. And Rock 'n' Roll is all about — wait for it — REBELLION!

YES to Rage Against the Machine for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!

Posted by Johnny on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 16:12pm

Which acts do you see being inducted and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks for 2022?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 16:16pm

Richie,

My current prediction:

Eminem - LOCK
Dolly Parton - LOCK
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie

Possible #7 spot: Dionne Warwick, Rage Against the Machine

In the mix but I don't think it's likely: Judas Priest, Eurythmics, Beck, DEVO

Very unlikely: A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, New York Dolls, MC5, Fela Kuti

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 18:38pm

By the way, does anyone else hate the design of the Rock Hall website? The background banner texture always makes me think that there is dirt all over my screen.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 18:39pm

RG and Plebeian,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year for 2022 (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 18:49pm

RG,

Hot take, but honestly I hate how the consensus for this class seems to be the one you are predicting as yours seems align with the other RHWs. I don't hate anyone in this particular bunch and your entitled to your predictions, but it looks so how should I say..predictable? I'm trying not to slander you. Heck, this class addresses certain blindspot genre neglects the Hall has. But, I just can't shake a feeling of lacking that "spark" if you will.

Thoughts? Again, I respect you and this may as well be the class. But, I don't know….

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 18:58pm

RG and Plebeian,

Casper said on Twitter the day of the nominations were announced that this is the most competitive ballot in decades and that any of them could be the 5-7 Performer inductees this year (I'm going to say that there will be 7 Performer inductees this year because there are 17 nominees this year).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 19:21pm

MOST LIKELY
Carly Simon
Eminem
New York Dolls
Fela Kuti
Lionel Richie

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
A Tribe Called Quest

EARLY INFLUENCE
Devo

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 19:38pm

Are any of you guys on here have a Twitter account?. My account on Twitter is at https://twitter.com/RichieLeitner12 if you guys are interested, I was just wondering are any of you guys on here on Twitter so I can follow you on Twitter?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 19:48pm

Garrus,

Your predictions for ATCQ & Devo in special categories are a bit off. First, Tribe is way too well - known & popular to be in the AME category & Devo couldn't be in Early Influence since they're not even around 45 - 50 years yet so AME would be their call. Heck Fela Kuti should also be in that category since he's too obscure to be inducted as a performer.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 21:00pm

Hey Johnny

Noice :)

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 21:16pm

Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent)
01. Duran Duran (prog)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick, or Dolly Parton (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 21:24pm

RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W., K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Jordan Einstein and others,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 21:30pm

Enigmaticus

Why are you classing everything as prog or prog related instead of as New Wave? Legit Curious cause I've never seen Duran Duran or Eurythmics classed that way

Posted by Mat R on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 23:48pm

PERFORMERS
Carly Simon
Eminem
New York Dolls
Lionel Richie
Devo

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
A Tribe Called Quest

EARLY INFLUENCE
Fela Kuti

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 23:53pm

PERFORMERS
Carly Simon
Eminem
New York Dolls
Lionel Richie
Devo

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Fela Kuti

EARLY INFLUENCE
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 00:19am

PERFORMERS
Dolly Parton
Eminem
New York Dolls
Lionel Richie
Dionne Warwick

AWARD FOR MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
Fela Kuti

EARLY INFLUENCE
A Tribe Called Quest

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 02:14am

Oh lord, Richie has a twitter. Now the questions will increase, but at least they won't be repeated over and over...

I keed, Richie, I keed...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 03:17am

@Mat R,

Good question. I do not use the term new wave because it primarily refers to French cinema. In an effort to placate Blondie and Talking Heads, neither of which were punk bands, Seymour Stein coined the term "new wave" to describe those artists. Unfortunately, the terms "prog" and "progressive" were considered to be passé or perhaps even taboo at the time, especially in the United Kingdom.


Primarily because "new wave" is an umbrella term which covers numerous unrelated genres which came after the advent of punk rock; the term is essentially meaningless. Even so, it is defined as "prog" X "punk" by Professor Bill Martin. Since both Duran Duran and Eurythmics do not have a punk element to their sound and frequently employ synthesizers and orchestral arrangements- they must be "prog" and "prog adjacent" respectively. Also, Duran Duran has existed for almost 44 years, most "new wave" bands had very short lifespans, certainly not those of bands approaching nearly a half century. Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues (the "holy trinity" of prog) are three of the most influential bands of all time and had survived 50+ years since their formation; Duran Duran is now in a very similar situation.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 03:58am

K-Dawg,
Your thoughts are good. You got detailed with most of them. You mentioned you're not have complete knowledge on every single act. Me neither. I lack knowledge on Eminem, Fela Kuti and MC5. The rest I am pretty well versed.
These are 3 that I am well versed on.
Duran Duran - It certainly has been a decade or more since they were first eligible, and the RRHOF has taken its time putting together the story of the 80s mainstream music. For some reason focus went to the 90s a bit before the 80s. I also predict they will slide in as one of the easy inductees Their sound fills so much of the 80s. It's mainstream catchy, yet synth and the sounds define new wave. They have endured. Hey if the Go-Gos were inducted so too shall Duran Duran.

Carly Simon - I was also one of the minority who had Carly in their predictions, and my reasoning is simple. The Hall is trying to get all the 60s and 70s folk and singer/songwriting females taken care of. "You're So Vain" and Haven't Got Time for the Pain are both symbolic of the 70s.

Dionne Warwick - Dionne is a very gifted singer and definitely a fan favorite in recent years. You are right. Too many obstacles in her way to be inducted any time soon. I'm NOT surprised she got another nomination this year. I have predicted she will get moved Early Influence this year. At this point she is old enough for that.
Look on my Posts of Feb3 for my Full thoughts on all Nominees, I also posted my predictions for the 2022 Inductees. Go take a look. Tell me your thoughts.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 04:15am

Plebeian,

Are you frustrated with the people predicting or the Hall? I think what you may be frustrated about is the natural result of the system snubbing so many huge iconic artists for so many years. It means that when they decide to fix their past mistakes and rightfully put artists like Tina Turner, Dolly Parton and others who should have been inducted decades ago on the ballot, of course the class is going to be a predictable mix of longtime snubs and the biggest newly eligible names. We've all been following this for long enough to know that there's not really a path for the weirder, more interesting artists like Tribe, Kate Bush, Devo, and Fela on a ballot like this, so of course nobody is going to predict that they'll make it out.

Personally, I'm still very excited (assuming I'm right) for this class, I'm sure it will be great, especially since all of the artists that are likely to get in are still able to show up and perform, and none of them seem like the type to pull a Rundgren.

I'm interested though, likelihood aside, who would be inducted in this class if it were up to you?

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 09:50am

I came here to change my Predictions BUT I will Not. I was to insert Rage Against the Machine and take out Beck.. BUT NO I will not. There is really No way I see that RAGE ATM and Judas Priest will be inducted at the same time. The Voters will Not make it that 2 Metal acts are inducted at the same time. The Traditional Heavy Metal voters will Vote a lot for Judas Priest NOT Rage Against TM. And soo my Predictions are Maintained

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

I need thoughts on RAGE ATM. I am staying the course with Judas Priest.
Proof enough that Voters will go more with Priest. I am a 57 year old Traditional Rock fan. I know sooo much more about J Priest. I own a few albums of Priest. I am well versed on British Steel and Screaming for Vengaence. I own most of those. And a few from Defenders of Faith. I also own Parental Guidance and a bunch of other Priest I did Not mention. Your thoughts everyone. This is basically a Heavy Metal chat.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 09:55am

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 09:59am

RG,

Probably angry towards the Hall. I dread the day a certain artist who may not get the votes is slammed to be in the special categories who clearly don't belong there (with a few exceptions of course). I sort of cringe in that the weirder and off-the-wall ones never will get the light and respect they deserve and put in cheaply to show "Hey, they're in there now! Stop complaining!" I wish the Hall would at least consider the ones that are nominated 3 times or more and not overlook is what I'm saying. Regardless, this batch of nominees is interesting as I kind of enjoy almost all these acts.

If I had to choose:

Eminem (Top of my list)
Rage Against The Machine (2nd place in my list and probably the only Nu-Metal band I actually like though I would not classify them as such. Also have a hard on for Zach and Morello.)
Judas Priest (Was always a Heavy Metal fan and are part of the big five in the genre)
Kate Bush (Created the weirder, but more theatrical approach for the female singer-songwriter)
Duran Duran (My Dad's personal snub and the band they got me into new wave along with Tears For Fears, Depeche Mode, OMD, Pet Shop Boys, etc; Basically close to my heart)
Pat Benatar (Female rocker that just kicks a lot of ass)
New York Dolls (Glam Rock is a criminally overlooked genre chock full of notable acts. These guys brought this specific genre to the U.S.A.)

Hope you understand and your choices are pretty good too!

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 10:49am

Plebeian,

I will push back on one thing, and that's the special categories. In the past, they may have been considered a secondary tier, but if you watch this past years ceremony without knowing the context, you would never be able to tell that LL Cool J got in by a different process than the rest of the inductees at all. He certainly got more of a full induction than Todd Rundgren did by getting in on the ballot. Even with Kraftwerk, they didn't get a huge amount of focus, but I don't think the way that their induction played out in the ceremony would have been any different if they had been voted in vs. given Early Influence.

I think that for artists that have been on the ballot a bunch of times unsuccesfully, like LL, Kraftwerk, Chaka, MC5, it makes so much more sense to just give them the Musical Excellence or Early Influence award and treat them the same as they would if they had gotten in on the ballot. They are still being honored, and it just goes farther to help clear the backlog of deserving artists that might not be able to get in on the ballot.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 11:27am

If only they had some sort of veterans committee to put in backlogged bands. Not to take away anyone's eligibility any year, but all the voting now does is create a bigger waiting list every year. While I think its fine she's deserving, dollys nomination has opened the door for hundreds of country artists now, widening the pool even more when some years, only 5 get in

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 12:33pm

K-Dawg,

We're probably getting 7 this year. No way with only 5-6 can be manageable in one of the most competitive ballots will that be sufficient. 17 seems like a fishy number and this planning should surely get the votes really close for them to induct 7.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 13:38pm

Hey Enigmaticus

Just to make a correction on the cinema thing, New Wave is pretty broadly used. Yea there's French New Wave but also British New Wave, Czech New Wave, Australian New Wave, Canadian New Wave. I think it started with the French but it's all over the place and think Stein use of it is fine.

I would also argue Eurythmics had a lot of punk elements to their fashion and Duran Duran were like many punk acts big on Glam Rock, Krautrock. Neither might fit a US classification of New Wave or Punk but they definetly aren't out of place with that Siouxsie Sioux, Cure, New Order, Depeche Mode side of UK new wave I think.

Anyways cool

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 16:06pm

Casually curious about something unrelated to the nominees

One thing that reasonably (cause they don't mention who is being considered) is not being discussed is who might get the Ahmet Ertegun Award (an award that might not be given out but should be) this year and I do think one organization has softly campaigned (there probably is some apathy from the org towards the hall), via it's 25th anniversary celebrations late last year, and that organization is Pitchfork.

There's definitely an argument to be made that Pitchfork is the single most powerful tastemaker outside of streaming services in the last 25 years, they made a lot of careers (Arcade Fire, Sigur Ros) and harmed some (Liz Phair) during its peak, still are one of the few outlets that artists themselves seem to pay attention to (eg Lizzo, Weezer, Grimes). Not to mention their expansion into festivals.

With that I'm kind of curious, do you think the Hall would look to induct Pitchfork's founder Ryan Schreiber via the Award or is Pitchfork too off brand and young for it? Has any other notably person or organization seemingly made a pitch this past year? (I know Interscope just did a massive number of reissues with high profile artists doing the covers including for Eminem)

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 17:03pm

Mat R,

The reasons that the Non-Performer and other categories aren't discussed as in depth is because they're not the main draw, and the shadowy cabal gets even more shadowy when determining those categories. From the community, the big push in that category is for Estelle Axton, along with many other women, but Estelle is the big name first.

As for Pitchfork founder Ryan Schreiber... I dunno. Possibly, but I think we're nowhere near that point yet. With John Sykes currently at the helm, I think he'd be more inclined to get the founders of MTV inducted first.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 17:30pm

Good evening Philip,

Will you have time later this week to post your expert analyses of the merits of each of the 2022 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees on your "Rock Hall Monitors" blog? I have definitely been looking forward to your fascinating opinions. Thank you in advance.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 18:20pm

Hey Philip

Agree it's the less high profile space (which is part of why I don't think they bother with nominations or anything) but it is realistically the #2 category at the Hall (Early Influence and AME have had long droughts a few times which Ertegun Award hasn't) and no one really speculates on it as much as the other honours.

Also yes on Estelle Axton (right that wrong) and more women but I think the John Sykes factor might favour an outsider more than an MTV linked person at this stage to avoid criticism. If he and everyone wants to modernize the hall (which they actively do) embracing the internet makes sense and the best way to do that is Pitchfork. That said I do totally think there's a strong chance in the next 5 years a Hype Williams, David Fincher, Joseph Khan, or Spike Jonze is inducted.

That's actually a more interesting topic tbh (music video directors going in) cause I feel that's a front the Hall could really be seen as remembering a declining art that also opens you up to a lot of high profile and interesting characters like Floria Sigismondi, Michael Bay, Michel Gondry, and Director X.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 19:16pm

Yeah, but the Hall now has a man in charge who had his hand deep in the MTV cookie jar at one pont. That's a big part of his credentials, and his rationale for his vision. MTV execs won't be getting forgotten.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 19:24pm

There seems to be a pattern in which Rap/Hip-Hop acts get into the Rock Hall and it goes like this:

2007: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2008.
2009: Run-DMC
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2010 and 2011.
2012: The Beastie Boys
2013: Public Enemy
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2014 and 2015.
2016: N.W.A.
2017: Tupac Shakur
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2018 and 2019.
2020: The Notorious B.I.G.
2021: Jay-Z and LL Cool J

So based on that pattern, Do you guys think that Eminem could shockingly miss out this year on his first year eligible just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band two years ago in 2020?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 20:20pm

Richie,

I don't think so, Eminem's pretty much an only guarantee. I think the reason why there are no rap honorees in the few ceremonies during a 15 year period is because there are some that aren't as clear victories like the ones that are inducted in years.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 21:08pm

Does anyone think with 17 acts we might get 7 inductees instead of the usual 5-6? Also side note, it appears we get a class of at least a couple of deceased people from 2 to many. I'm thinking this might be the year we might only have one deceased member (Phile Dawg and Dave Holland being the only deceased member in their respected groups). Last year the deceased were in the side categories, so I suppose we might repeat again this year. Just a couple of thoughts.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 21:29pm

Plebeian,

I do, I think that with 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 21:35pm

I think because the Main Performer class will be mostly white, with probably only Lionel breaking through. Lionel and Dionne if we're lucky, the side categories will probably be used to shore up some POC inductees.

Didn't FRL say someone was pulling for Don Cornelius? That's one induction that's LONG overdue and I dunno why they haven't gone for him yet.

In terms of women, I dunno how much Estelle Axton would figure. She would be deserving for sure, but I think Sylvia Robinson will probably be more top of mind for the award. I hope both get it eventually.

Other big POC non-inductees here are DJ Kool Herc, Willie Mitchell, Lee "Scratch" Perry, Russell Simmons (but his induction may be controversial).

Otherwise, I'd also like to see nods for Wolfman Jack, Casey Kasem, Lew Chudd, Lee Hazlewood and Rick Rubin.

Posted by M on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 21:58pm

M,

Don't forget Chaka Khan for Musical Excellence, I think she's practically a guarantee for this year.

I would also love to see the Early Influence category used to induct Big Mama Thornton and Link Wray, those two should be top of the list for 50s artists that are still out there, Thornton in particular.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 22:46pm

RG,

I don't think that Chaka Khan's getting a Musical Excellence induction this year, I think that they'll try her one more time on the ballot next year and she'll hopefully get in then.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/6/2022 @ 23:09pm

Philip

Largely agree but I don't know if they'll put Sykes, Tom Freston, and Fred Seibert in so early into the Sykes era after the reputation the Wenner era got since it seems like they want to change the direction. I think they'll do MTV adjacent figures like video directors (Hype Williams and Mark Romanek have very strong cases to go in) and international figures for a while but I do get a vibe they'll want to acknowledge the modern tastemakers and rapid changes in media (like Pitchfork) sooner rather than later.

M

Largely agree. Mostly white main class with Lionel and Dionne being likely. I think there might be a behind the scenes and media push for Rage or Judas Priest (similar to The Go-Gos last year) to diversify the more recent rock inductees and to show rock bands aren't just straight white guys (with Judas Priest getting the edge). To counter this yea they'll use side categories.

I think Fela Kuti and Kate Bush or New York Dolls will get Musical Excellence along with a Lee "Scratch" Perry or Chaka Khan and maybe DJ Cool Herc or Big Mama Thornton or John Coltrane finally gets Early Influence alongside MC5. I feel MC5, New York Dolls (Dolls would be made to wait after MC5), and Fela are on their final pushes (Fela due to the weak fan vote this year) and because Bush's cult fandom is so big and young and she's kind of starting to lane clog (with Bjork, Fiona Apple, and Tori Amos all eligible now) they might just gonna put her in.

There's also the "Summer of Soul" factor, Questlove directed that movie and I wouldn't be shocked if The 5th Dimension or The Chambers Brothers pop up as Early Influences.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 00:38am

Hey Guys,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 01:01am

Richie,

The Hall always chooses a 3-timer or more for the class.

Last five years were:

2017: Yes
2018: The Cars
2019: Janet Jackson and The Zombies
2020: Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails
2021: Todd Rundgren (Kraftwerk and LL Cool J don't count)
2022: ???

I would think Judas, Rage, or even Devo might have a chance to fit in for the class

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 01:12am

K-Dawg,

You're suggesting some sort of veterans committee to put in backlogged bands. You say all the voting now does is create a bigger waiting list every year. If I got it right I think you're saying that a Veteran's Committee would pick Backlogged bands without the Voting process. It's a good idea. You would have to elaborate. For example Acts like The Turtles, The Marvelettes, Joe Tex, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Jethro Tull, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Bad Company among many others would be picked by a Veteran's committee. I don't know if they'll do it. But great idea, Let me know if I'm on the right track. If a Veteran's Committee put Blood, Sweat & Tears in the Hall a great talent like Al Kooper would be in the Hall. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 02:41am

Plebeian,

I think Priest & Rage are sold picks for 3 timers or more this year, Devo would eventually be inducted under "Musical Excellence" since it look to became a veteran's committee choice. It may be the reason why LL Cool J got inducted under that category. Same could be said for Fela Kuti, MC5 & New York Dolls for AME & Early Influence.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 03:43am

Jordan,
Good to see you back on here. Priest and Rage are solid picks for 3 timers or more. You are a perfect person to make my point again. I almost picked Priest and Rage as Inductees at same time. But since the Hall has avoided Heavy metal so much it will only be one heavy metal act. I pick Priest as an Inductee. Lets Discuss. We had great chats on the Prediction forum. Let's chat about this

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 05:06am

Jordan

True point but am curious cause there are 4 three timers and you didn't touch on Kate Bush. I'm thinking she might go in via Musical Excellence soon but think she might actually have a better shot than Rage or Devo for this year's class due to her current relevance and American critical rediscovery in recent years.

Thoughts

Posted by mat r on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 07:55am

Mat R,

I would actually agree with you on Bush also for AME, i don't think she has a shot for induction this year since she doesn't have any major success in America & as you said her relevance & rediscovery, it may not be the case for induction. Maybe that's also why Fela Kuti has not been nominated before until last year. I would think RATM has a clearer shot for induction this time since they're the only 90's alt rock band that is nominated, (i mean Beck is another one from that decade as well but he's need a little more time especially since Radiohead didn't get inducted until their second try a year after they were First Eligible.) Devo possibly won't be inducted also this year since they're up against Duran Duran (in which they might be FYN inductees due to their doc & release of their latest album let alone define MTV generation & John Sykes being in charge now.) & Eurythmics (also won't be inducted because of DD)

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 10:37am

Ben,

As i said before, it took Deep Purple 3 nominations to get inducted in 2016 & i'll might work for Judas Priest since it's also their 3rd nomination, besides we should see 2 British acts dominated inductions once again since last year we didn't get to see any of them. As for RATM, i don't see them getting passed over again since they're an only 90's alt band that got nominated this time & with Tom Morello being on the committee it might push their chances even further also i don't see them as Metal just like Priest is but they're Metal like mixed with Alternative & Rap.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 10:44am

Crap put my comment in the wrong discussion, here is what I said:

Ben and Jordan Einstein,

Rage and Priest also hit the diversity quota as well. Priest because well Rob Halford of course being LGBT+. Rage has race in Zach (Mexican) and Tom (mixed). With how the predictions are going, the class has already hit the female quota. The race quota could be filled with Lionel Richie, but he has a fatal flaw: Richie is not exactly a critical darling. According to Acclaimed Music, Richie is actually lower than JP which is interesting as JP are notoriously not favored much with critics. So I see JP overcoming Lionel in the long run. Rage is it's own entity so I doubt (not confirm but doubt) they will split votes with Priest. Those are more thoughts I have.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 11:32am

I think that you guys are underestimating Eurythmics's chances for induction this year IMO, Yes, I know that they're going up against Duran Duran and Devo, but Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart are so well-liked, so well-connected and so well-respected in the music industry that a lot of people will probably vote for them based on that alone, plus the Hall has been inducting more 80's acts in recent years, so they stand a very good chance IMO, also they're currently in the top 5 of the fan vote and at #5 in the fan vote, so that helps them as well, in addition, they're being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year (which was rescheduled from 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic) as well, If there was ever a time that we see two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts get inducted in the same year, it's this year with Duran Duran and Eurythmics.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 11:52am

I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame needs a reboot. It has corrupted beyond its original purpose.

PERFORMERS: Truly famous artists who play a form of rock and roll

PIONEERS: artists who pioneered a specific form of music relevant to the development of rock

CONTRIBUTORS: Contemporary artists who have contributed to the development of rock but perform a different genre

INFLUENCERS: forties and earlier artists who led to the creation of rock

NONPERFORMER: individuals who are not musicians but still contributed to rock's development

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 14:59pm

Someone on this ballot is getting an Early Influence induction. I don't know who.

By the way, FLR says that MC5 is the only white act ever to finish in last place. What year was that?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 18:01pm

Follower,
MC5 finished last in the 2019 and 2020 fan votes.

Posted by Nick B. on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 18:15pm

@Mat R,

Thank you for responding. Duran Duran certainly did add different elements to their fashion. But, I think that Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor and former members: Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo would probably agree that it was mostly about the music, rather than the clothing style. Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart, (prior to the Eurythmics) were members of a rock & pop band called The Tourists. That band was relatively unsuccessful, so they left and formed Eurythmics and after Eurythmics broke up, they concentrated on then their individual solo careers.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 18:22pm

Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent)
01. Duran Duran (prog)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dionne Warwick, or Dolly Parton (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 18:28pm

Hi all.

It has taken me a while to collect my thoughts on the nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022. Now that it has come, there a few things I would like to mention. First, I was a bit saddened to see Dave Matthews not nominated again. I would have thought that having won the fan vote in 2020 would mean an automatic nomination at this point. However, it looks to me that the Rock Hall is somewhat lessening the fan vote this time. For myself, I have yet voted in the official fan vote poll on the Rock Hall website. It seems as if I am being goaded to a phishing site before I am allowed to vote. If that is the way the Rock Hall feels about the fan vote, then it may be time to end the fan vote. Or rather, put the vote taken here at Future Rock legends and have that be the fan vote. That would seem to be a reasonable compromise.

Moving forward, I am sure there will be an equal or greater number of inductees going through the side categories. Perhaps there might even be a newer side category involving a newer 2-time inductee if there is not one as a Performer nominee. Call it, say, the Clyde Mcphatter award for individual excellence. At this rate, it seems possible. Let me know if you think I am being bonkers and/or if this indeed might happen. Now, onto the nominees.

Dionne Warwick: I still at this point cannot see her getting inducted at this time. Although she has been highly influential in what she has done. Even so, she ranks last for me in who I would like to see inducted from this group of nominees.

Fela Kuti: It might be likely the Kuti family will accept the induction of Fela in a side category such as Musical Influence. Indeed, it seems likely at this point.

MC5: They might go in as Musical Influences. I would even say these punk rock and protest rock pioneers should have gotten inducted years ago.

New York Dolls: They might not be at the top of my list. Yet I expect a significant push for them to go in.

Devo: Mark Mothersbaugh and co. are quite possibly getting inducted this year. I could see a potential Musical Excellence side category induction when considering Mothersbaugh's movie and TV scores.

Judas Priest: The time has come for these greats to get inducted. And yet, I think recent developments on differences between K.K. Downing and many of the remaining members is going to be an annoyance which will almost certainly result in the nominated remaining members not reuniting. Dave Holland, just to let it be known, died in 2018. I have not the time to go over this relative grievance. Yet if you listen to Eddie Trunk or read Blabbermouth, you will get a clear understanding.

A Tribe Called Quest: These hip-hop greats could very well sneak right in. And I would not be surprised. It is a pleasant surprise anyway to see them nominated.

Rage Against the Machine: They should have gotten inducted years ago. At this rate, we might be seeing either of them and/or Tom Morello get a Musical Excellence category induction should it become clear that RATM will not be going in through the front door, as it were.

Beck: I think he possibly gets inducted. No two songs of his are alike. Maybe the best chameleon rock star of his time.

Kate Bush: Hopefully one day she gets in. It might be a bit difficult this year given the fellow nominees.

Eminem: He is going in right away. No issue here with me.

Dolly Parton: A pleasant surprise. And with this pleasant surprise, an induction is imminent.

Carly Simon: Our Revisited/Projected inductee from last year that gets a nomination to the actual RRHOF this year. Although I initially thought Diana Ross would be the one. Maybe Ms. Ross gets that Clyde Mcphatter award I hypothesized. As for Carly Simon, I think an induction is clearly forthcoming.

Pat Benatar: She might get inducted, and if she along with Neil "Spyder" Giraldo win the fan vote it will happen this time. I am not too sure I would have Pat Benatar on my ballot this year, again due to the nominees being quite good.

Eurythmics: I would put them in as soon as can be. Hopefully others feel the same.

Duran Duran: It seems now is the year and the time for these New Wave pioneers to get inducted. And perhaps a reunion of the initial 5 is in place.

Lionel Richie: I think he is going in. I know many would have liked to see The Commodores be nominated. Yet, let us be honest: The Commodores without Lionel Richie was subpar apart from songs like Nightshift. Lionel Richie managed to eclipse the importance of the Commodores to such an extent that in my mind he Is the Commodores. This was the best decision to be made. Plus, the original Commodores have fractured quite a bit. Milan Williams left in 1989 and died in 2006. Thomas McClary left shortly after Lionel Richie departed. Roland Laprad left after Nightshift. And I do not think either William A. King or Walter "Clyde" Orange are open to a reunion with Lionel Richie. This is the best course of action, to incorporate all of Lionel Richie's works and life.

So, here are who I think gets inducted, at least as Performers:

Eminem
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Eurythmics

And in the likelihood of a Performer nominee going through a Side category, I think Fela Kuti is a distinctive possibility.

So many to choose, yet so few slots,

Lax39

Posted by Lax39 on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 21:01pm

Mat R,

Sykes himself, no. But our Revisited/Projected project did induct Robert W. Pittman, the man credited for spearheading the creation of MTV. That's someone I easily see Sykes trying to ply the N-P subcommittee to induct.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 22:16pm

Why is everyone speaking like Enig (no offense)? Seriously, we are all starting to talk like William Shatner here.

Posted by Plebeian on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 22:53pm

Greg F,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/7/2022 @ 23:08pm

Hey Jordan

I feel like neither is gonna get in this year but I think Kate is riding a ton of good will, positive press, and hype and has a pretty strong base in the voters now (in the last 3 years Bryan Ferry, Brian Eno, Robert Smith, Ed O'Brien, and Depeche Mode have gone in and all either know, have worked with, or were influenced by her and that's just known people) and she might have the edge on Devo and Beck for more alternative voters as a result of her recent press and obvious influence while RATM have kind of been overexposed in recent years (Tom online, the "Killing in the name of" becoming pacified) and are now dealing with a class that features a lot of artists who they're competing with for voter blocks but with 2 in particular: Eminem (90s, rap, and genre breaker voters) and Judas Priest (traditional rocker and voters open to metal).

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 01:24am

Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop) his association with Dr. Dre places him at the bottom of this list. (No)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk) No offense to David Johansen, but I prefer his alter ego (Buster Poindexter).
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (No)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent) -(Yes)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter) (maybe)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (Yes)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog) (Not yet, unfortunately)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 06:35am

Jordan,
Yah make a very good point with Metal situation. Back to that later.
On Duran Duran they are just about a shoo in. The Eurythmics are Not. I agree that neither Devo or Eurythmics will be Inducted because of Duran Duran. I remember very vividly that there was a Small mania around DD in the midst of the 80s. I was in College at the time. Devo were Not even talked about too much. Eurythmics had a few hits but there wasn't that much fuss. But There was a craze for DD 1983-1986. They perfectly represent British music in the 80s.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 06:56am

I think that you guys are sleeping on and underestimating Eurythmics's chances for induction this year IMO, Yes, I know that they're going up against Duran Duran (who is a lock for induction this year) and Devo, but Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart are so well-liked, so well-connected and so well-respected in the music industry that a lot of people will probably vote for them based on that alone, plus the Hall has been inducting more 80's acts in recent years, so they stand a very good chance IMO, also they're currently in the top 5 of the fan vote and at #5 in the fan vote, so that helps them as well, in addition, they're being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year (which was rescheduled from 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic) as well, If there ever was a time that we see two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts get inducted in the same year, it's this year with Duran Duran and Eurythmics.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 09:47am

Richie....stop saying the same things and asking the same damn questions. Give it a rest. And does everyone on here end posts with 'what do you think?' If sometimes 'thinks' about your post and wants to respond, they will. It's unnecessary to add that. Just my two cents.

Posted by JHC on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 11:02am

JHC,

Just to let you know that I have been on here now for years and majority of people know that I am autistic, Sometimes I ask the same questions but I mean no offense, I am sorry if I offended you, I love to know what other people's opinions are, Again, I apologize if I have upset you and I shall not ask you any more questions, Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 11:16am

My early predictions: Part 1

I've been thinking about this nomination list and who I feel is most likely to be chosen. The fan vote looks pretty solid for
Eminem with Duran Duran likely taking the second spot. The fan vote goes for another two and a half months (good God) but generally the first week sets everything up. It does not look like Fela Kuti is going to have the same surge as last year.

My predictions will likely shift over the next month or so, but this is what I'm thinking right now.

Little to no chance: I think five artists have very little shot this year.

1. A Tribe Called Quest: It was really cool to see them nominated this year but I don't think they have any real shot. I can't get past LL Cool J. If he can't be elected on the main ballot, can ATCQ make it? I don't see it.

2. Fela Kuti: He was one of the big conversations last year, almost winning the fan vote. But many voters do not know him. Hard to see him making enough ballots to have a chance.

3. Kate Bush: Possibly my favorite artist on this ballot. Just as deserving as anyone. She has a slight chance of sneaking in because appreciation for her work is growing every year. But I think there is too much competition for her to make it in. I will be thrilled to be wrong.

4. Devo: I don't feel the location of the ceremony matters as much as some people do. I just feel Whip It has been absolutely lethal to their chances. Devo should not be a one-hit wonder, but technically they are, and that's how most people see them.

5. MC5: What has changed? They are always near the bottom of the fan vote, their supporters are aging and they are competing with New York Dolls this year. It is stupid to induct them as an Early Influence, but I think it is the only way they get in.

Not likely, but have a shot: I think four artists have a slight chance to get in, but I don't expect it.

1. Beck: One of the most deserving acts on this ballot, in my opinion. Beck's greatest strength, his eclectic style, hurts him here. I don't expect him to have enough support, but I think he at least has an outside shot.

2. Dionne Warwick: One of the biggest hit makers on the ballot. I think she could make it, but too many other bigger names ahead of her. Her selection would bring a lot of goodwill to the class.

3. Judas Priest: Someday they have to get in. Will it be this year? I hope so but I doubt it. There is limited classic rock competition on this ballot, which gives them a chance. But there are reasons why metal never gets in.

4. New York Dolls: The critical acclaim from their brief career gives them a chance. I would not be shocked if they make it in. But I would be surprised. They had such a short career and there are too many other big names with more commercial success.

By the way, any class that included Beck, Dionne, Judas Priest and New York Dolls would be a phenomenal one.

I'll go over the rest of the class later.

Posted by remy10 on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 11:55am

Jordan,
You make a Very good point about the Metal situation. I didn't think of that. Rage Against the Machine are a 90s Alternative Metal band. You are right they are NOT pure regular Metal like Priest. Yeahh Rage ATM are Not Metal just like Priest. You are right. That's why I wanted to discuss. I have picked Beck and Eminem as 90s choices. But you know what YES I will insert Rage ATM and take out Beck. Beck is a kind of a weaker choice right now for the 90s. I barely know Beck. I know Beck just a little better than Eminem. Eminem is a zero for me still. But that does not hinder me from Eminem. But anyway as far as Beck I know that Has a couple key albums. But Rage ATM is a much bigger act of the 90s I think. I will have both Priest and Rage ATM I will post an Updated List of predictions VERY soon. And I will list my picks for Early Influence and Music Excellence STAY TUNED

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 13:44pm

The biggest albums and singles act each year since 2013:

Albums:
2013: Rush
2014: KISS
2015: Green Day
2016: Chicago
2017: Joan Baez
2018: The Moody Blues
2019: Def Leppard
2020: Whitney Houston by sales, Dave Matthews Band by charts
2021: Jay-Z
2022: Eminem by sales, Dionne Warwick by charts

Biggest albums act not in the Hall: Garth Brooks by sales, Dave Matthews Band by charts.

Singles:
2013: Donna Summer
2014: Daryl Hall and John Oats
2015: The Spinners
2016, 2017, and 2019: Janet Jackson
2018: Bon Jovi
2020: Whitney Houston
2021: Jay-Z
2022: Eminem by sales, Dionne Warwick by charts.

Biggest singles act not in the hall: Mariah Carey for charts, unsure for sales.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 13:44pm

Follower,
I figured ELO or Pearl Jam would be the biggest albums and singles act for 2017

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 14:24pm

Speculation on what songs each artist/tribute would play if inducted:

Beck - Would probably show up and perform. Loser, Devil's Haircut, Where It's At

Duran Duran - Would definitely show up and perform. Hungry Like the Wolf, Rio, Ordinary World

Eminem - Would definitely show up and perform. Lose Yourself, The Real Slim Shady, Rap God

Dolly Parton - Would definitely show up and perform. Jolene, Here You Come Again, I Will Always Love You

Lionel Richie - Would definitely show up and perform. All Night Long, Dancing on the Ceiling, Endless Love

Carly Simon - Probably shows up, but would likely have a tribute performance as she very rarely performs live anymore. You're So Vain, Mockingbird, Nobody Does It Better

A Tribe Called Quest - Would probably show up and perform. Can I Kick It?, Award Tour, Scenario

Pat Benatar - Would probably show up and perform. Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Love is a Battlefield, We Belong

Eurythmics - Good chance they show up and perform. Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This), Here Comes the Rain, Would I Lie to You?

Fela Kuti - Tribute performance, if at all. Probably only one song due to the length, let's go with Zombie.

Dionne Warwick - Probably at least shows up, this could be a combo tribute/solo performance like what they did with Carole King. Walk On By, That's what Friends Are For, Do You Know the Way to San Jose

Kate Bush - Almost certainly a tribute performance, since both travel and concerts are incredibly rare for Kate. Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God), This Woman's Work, Babooshka

Devo - Probably show up and perform. Whip It, Uncontrollable Urge, (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction

Judas Priest - Doubt they would show, but who knows. Breaking the Law, You've Got Another Thing Coming, Living After Midnight

New York Dolls - Surviving members probably show but don't get a performance, but if they did: Personality Crisis, Trash, Stranded in the Jungle.

Rage Against the Machine - Would definitely show up and perform. Killing in the Name, Bulls on Parade, Testify

MC5 - Surviving members probably show, no performance, but if they did: Kick Out the Jams, Looking At You, Let Me Try

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 14:24pm

Addendum:

Change 2017 Albums acts to "Joan Baez by charts, Journey by Sales"

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 14:51pm

This is my Updated predictions for 2022 Inductees

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
.Chaka Khan
J. Geils Band
.The Meters

EARLY INFLUENCE
John Coltrane
Gram Parsons
Dionne Warwick

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 14:54pm

RG,

Judas Priest have been gracious about all three of their nominations so far, more so than the uninterested Iron Maiden, so Judas Priest would definitely show up and perform unlike Iron Maiden.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 16:12pm

Good thoughts so far. I will make my official predictions tomorrow

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 16:58pm

Judas Priest did poorly both of the last times they were nominated. I don't think they'll get in this time.

Especially since this year their biggest threat is Pat Benatar, who everyone was upset about not getting in back in 2020.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 20:17pm

Nah, I disagree. Judas might actually get in this year.

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 20:38pm

Follower

Nah Pat's getting pop votes, their biggest threat is Rage Against the Machine for that rockist vote. 2018 and 2020 were stiff years for that rock vote. 2018 had Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, The Moody Blues, The J. Geils Band, Depeche Mode, MC5, The Zombies, Radiohead, and yes Rage while 2020 had NIN, Depeche Mode, Doobie Bros, Dave Matthews Band, T Rex, MC5, Motorhead, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy, Todd Rundgren, and yes Pat. That's a lot of rock in a lot of directions. Pat (and maybe Duran Duran but they might be seen as more pop and dance) aside, there are two serious rock nominees (if we consider MC5 and NY Dolls over the hill and Beck and Devo are too alternative) and it's a metal vs metal showdown. I think Priest have the edge on Rage here.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 21:38pm

Anyone getting the feeling that Eminem could shockingly miss out?. I think that's a possibility for a few reasons. One, Eminem's homophobic and violent lyrics against women may turn off voters. Although he has since showed regret for his early songs, it's still a huge mark against him. Two, While he has never tried to imitate other black rappers, Eminem is still a white rapper in hip-hop. Beastie Boys were nominated on their first year of eligibility but they were repeatedly snubbed for many years. The same could happen to Eminem. Three, the Rock Hall voting body is made up of 80% white, older men. most of them will think Eminem is too recent of an artist to be inducted yet and gravitate more to acts who have been waiting longer.

Although he seems on the surface to be the most iconic name on the ballot (other than Dolly Parton), he also does seem to be one of the names that would cause more members of the Voting Committee to say "over my dead body" than most others, particularly the members of '60's and 70's rock bands who probably (erroneously) view him in the same vein as Britney Spears or something. He has a very abrasive image and there was a history of other artists like that (Black Sabbath, Sex Pistols, N.W.A) taking many nominations (granted, he is much bigger commercially than any of them.) The previous white rappers The Beastie Boys also took several nominations. Sure, gangsta rappers like 2Pac and Biggie went straight in, but they also had universal support from black voters, which I'm not sure Eminem will have, I would not be surprised if many black voters resent Eminem for co-opting a black genre. Obviously, he influenced many, many black rappers like Kendrick Lamar but they aren't voters yet and I'm not sure how much respect he has from people before him. There are also probably people who won't vote for him because of his problematic lyrics in an era when that has become more important. Additionally, I'm not sure how gung-ho the critics will go for him since it seems the standard consensus is that he was an elite artist from 1999-2002 and then remained popular with mostly garbage after that; he kind of comes off like the rap version of Weezer in that way although he was obviously much bigger than them in a pop sense.

plus, There seems to be a pattern in which Rap/Hip-Hop acts get into the Rock Hall and it goes like this:

2007: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2008.
2009: Run-DMC
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2010 and 2011.
2012: The Beastie Boys
2013: Public Enemy
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2014 and 2015.
2016: N.W.A.
2017: Tupac Shakur
No Rap/Hip-Hop inductee in 2018 and 2019.
2020: The Notorious B.I.G.
2021: Jay-Z and LL Cool J


So based on that pattern, Yes, I really do think that Eminem could shockingly miss out this year on his first year eligible just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band two years ago in 2020 and I'm surprised more people aren't predicting it. In that case, Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year if Eminem gets shockingly snubbed (I really think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

I'm not as convinced as everyone else that Eminem will get in 1st time based on the things/reasons that I just said. I don't think he's a shoo-in this time around; eventually yes, but could take several nominations. I think the safest bet this year is actually Dolly Parton (not Eminem).

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 22:13pm

Mat R,

Both Pat and Judas Priest are Classic Rock nominees, which is why I think she's a threat to them. Rockists, if they will vote for more than one, will probably vote for both Priest and Rage. I think they would vote for any combination of Pat/MC5/Dolls/Beck/Devo/Duran Duran in addition to Priest and Rage.

Of course, I think 5 should be mandatory for every ballot.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 22:35pm

Follower,

Don't voters have a huge disclaimer while voting that all voters should check 5 acts or else it won't be valid?

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 22:49pm

Also Richie stop being delusional. Eminem is pretty locked and loaded. You may think I have too much confidence, but an act like him is too big to pass by. Another thing, stop posting so many long posts! TL:DR man!

Posted by Plebeian on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 22:51pm

Richie

Stop posting this. You've said it like 7 times and the odds of that happening are next to zero cause Madonna, Metallica, Guns N Roses, Prince, Jay-Z, Run-DMC, Public Enemy, 2Pac, Biggie, and Green Day all went in first year. All those inductees fly in the face of a lot of what you said.

Also Eminem is pretty widely respected by the older generation of rapper and sold like 25 times as many albums as Radiohead. Eminem going in actually gives the Hall more relevance in the modern music landscape than any other possible inductee they've had in a while cause you know he was the best selling artist of the 2000s and 2010s and had one of the 10 best selling albums of 2020.

The only way I see it really happening is people holding 20 year old grudges over him getting rap onto rock radio

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 23:03pm

Plebeian,

My fear is that he is too much of a polarizing figure to go in right away, I think he gets in, but I think his controversial career causes delay of a year or two. I hope he gets in this year, but I have my doubts. Other acts that were controversial and edgy like Black Sabbath, The Stooges, The Sex Pistols and N.W.A all had long delays for their inductions for me to be confident about Eminem getting in as an FYE, I love Eminem and think he should be a slam-dunk first ballot inductee, but he is too much of a controversial and polarizing figure for the current voting committee.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 23:11pm

Mat R,

Yes, but all of these acts that you mentioned that went in FYE (Madonna, Metallica, Guns N' Roses, Prince, Jay-Z, Run-DMC, Public Enemy, 2Pac, Biggie and Green Day) were all less controversial and polarizing than Eminem, so that's the big difference.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 23:18pm

Follower

I agree she's in the rock camp but she's pulling from the general pop one too, probably more so. I largely agree that's probably a variant of the combo but I think it's more likely to be Priest or Rage (the platinum selling superstars) going for one spot and MC5, Devo, and NY Dolls (the innovators), Duran Duran/Eurythmics (the new wave), Pat/Carly/Dolly/Dionne (the divas from rock and beyond) for Rockist ballot assuming they vote Eminem (the guy who got rap on rock radio) as well but I also think most will vote poptimist and there if a low key rockist (which I think is most hall voters - guys who like rock a lot but get the importance of pop and rap and the changing trends) picks Duran Duran, Em, Kate, and Dionne and wants to throw a rock act (cause they like rock) in there I think it's again Priest or Rage cause they're the two big rock bands.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 02/8/2022 @ 23:27pm

Hey Richie

Are you not aware of Madonna's Sex book or 2pac's shooting of 2 cops and rape conviction or Prince causing the PMRC or the song "one in a million"?

I actually am starting to question if you're acting in good faith or are just unaware of their histories

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 00:12am

Mat R,

Yes, I'm aware of Madonna's Sex book, 2PAC's shooting of 2 cops and Prince causing the PMRC of the song One In A Million, but Eminem's problematic early stuff might hurt his chances, Much like the Beastie Boys, he might take a few nominations to get recognized, especially with his controversial past. I think that Eminem's continued appetite for stirring controversy could keep him out of the Hall for a few nominations. Hall voters shy away from controversial acts. Given the HOF voters obvious aversion to artists with a history of major controversy, I see him more in the N.W.A. lane than the Jay-Z lane. I think his controversial past may hurt his chances of getting in right away.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 00:26am

Richie

Yes he is in a different lane than Jay-Z and too controversial for the mainstream https://www.instagram.com/reel/CIq1VEyppDL/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=094ec598-544a-4b4a-8247-3ee9ad95a751

Dude just stop cause you're on the verge of just being a troll at this point

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 00:57am

Mat R,

I think that Eminem might need a few nominations due to various controversies, though. Because the main voters tend to shun acts that are too controversial and Eminem still thrives on controversy. He's more like N.W.A. (who took multiple nominations) than he is like Jay-Z (respected business mogul and pop-cult mayor of NYC).

Anyway, Just to let you know that I have been on here now for years and majority of people know that I am autistic, Sometimes I ask the same questions but I mean no offense, I am sorry if I offended you, I am not a troll not by any means, I love to know what other people's opinions are, Again, I apologize if I have upset you and I am not a troll by any means and I shall not ask you any more questions, Have a great night.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 01:23am

Jordan,
I just want to know your thoughts on my Updated predictions. This includes Musical Excellence and Early Influence. You notice that I inserted J Geils Band. Yeah looked deeper on Info. J Geils Band have been nominated 5 times. Since Blues rock has been neglected a lot since Steve Miller. I say it's a good shot. Let's discuss
and let me get your thoughts

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 04:01am

To me, RATM is 'hard rock', whereas Judas Priest is 'Metal'.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 06:31am

I think 2Pac and Biggie were both waaaaaayyy more 'polarizing' than Eminem. Plus, Eminem is white, so that sure don't hurt.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 06:41am

Richie

I agree it could but it's literally 1 in 1000 shot at the currently probably 1 in 100000 with the Super Bowl. The only real controversy that makes sense to keep him out is getting rap onto rock radio and you'd need to be really petty to hold that against him.

You don't need to aplogize you just need to switch up the discussion as best you can cause it is almost the same wall of text and there are other chats to have that are deeper. Who might get the rock vote? How to they deal with a very white class? Is Beck rock enough?

Paul in KY

I get why one would feel that way, they've been embraced by a lot of spaces that don't usually dig metal, but Rage are metal in the same vein as Faith No More, Living Color, Tool, or Jane's Addiction. They fit in well with alt metal and we vital to the birth of nu metal and even today are still regularly discussed in metal circles. They've definitely voided being traditional, for example they jumped between both metal and hard rock at the Grammys, but they are under the metal umbrella.

You're right in that some people might not think of them as a metal act

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 08:11am

Paul in KY,
There you go. I was in error with Rage ATM and Priest. Right!! Rage ATM is Hard Rock and Priest is Metal. Because besides the Heavy thing Rage is perfect as a 90s pick. The classes have averaged 2 90s acts each year. And hey the terrific 80s can be covered by Pat Benatar, Duran D, Lionel Richie and Judas Priest gives us an 80s blitz. 80s of all kinds. I think it will go like that.
Can you perhaps comment on MY special categories. And I'm waiting for Jordan too. J Geils Band I looked up and was reminded they were nominated 5 times. This will put blues rock in the Mix. Hear from all of ya

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 08:56am

Paul in KY,

No, 2Pac and Biggie are not more polarizing than Eminem, Eminem is by far, the most controversial and polarizing rapper ever (other than N.W.A. and Kanye West). I don't think he's a shoo-in for induction this year because the voters don't like controversial artists, I think that due to his ongoing embracing of controversy (the HOF voters tend to be slow to embrace controversial nominees), I think that he could shockingly miss out on induction this year on his first year eligible just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band two years ago in 2020.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 09:45am

I really don't think we'll have any other years (except maybe once in a blue moon) where we don't have a rap/hip-hop inductee. The gates are widening after the induction of two acts in the same year, and there will only be more eligible rap/hip-hop artists to come, which means another base to cover in terms of genres, filled by a whole host of worthy candidates. I think that Eminem will get in on that basis alone, if simply to open the obligatory rap/hip-hop space for other qualified nominees down the line.

Besides, for years that don't have a FYE big name in rap, inducting artists early like Eminem gives the Hall the chance to nominate older acts who may not fare well against modern rap/hip-hop artists, such as A Tribe Called Quest and Wu-Tang Clan.

Posted by Brasssection on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 09:56am

Brasssection,

I have to agree with you about Rap/Hip-Hop, I don't think we'll have any more years (except maybe once in a blue moon) where we don't have a Rap/Hip-Hop inductee, I agree with you, The gates are widening after the induction of two acts in the same year and there will only be more eligible Rap/Hip-Hop artists to come, which means another base to cover in terms of genres, filled by a whole host of worthy candidates, Based on that basis alone, I think that Eminem should and will get in FYE despite him being controversial, he's just too big of a name to be ignored and after the Radiohead fiasco of four years ago when they didn't get in FYE, I think that the Hall wouldn't want to repeat that with Eminem so he's a shoo-in for induction this year whether you like it or not.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 10:04am

My early predictions Part 2

Virtual Locks: My early feeling last Wednesday was there are three acts that are absolutely getting in. Nothing I have seen in the past week has changed my mind. I don't like saying it is a guarantee, but I would be shocked if these three don't make it.

1. Duran Duran: Everyone paying attention has known it is just a matter of time before these guys make the ballot. Now that they are on I expect them to waltz in. Long career, iconic songs, popular acclaim and more recent critical acceptance. Likely finishing Top-2 in the fan vote. Seems like an easy choice.

2. Eminem: One of the biggest acts of the past 20 years. A likely headliner for the ceremony. If Biggie can get in first year, Eminem will. Winning the fan vote helps.

And richie you do not have to respond to this. I know you believe he will not make it. I think he will.

3. Dolly Parton: Country artists are a weird offshoot corner of the rock hall. Very few pure country acts are in, and most of those went in 20+ years ago. But Dolly is a national treasure. Who really would be upset if she makes it? Does she belong over Diana Ross or Kate Bush? Doesn't matter. She'll make it in. Hopefully Willie Nelson follows soon.

Artists with a great chance: This is where the real action is, in my opinion. I see five artists with a good shot, but all will not make it.

1. Lionel Richie: Put me in the camp that is ticked The Commodores weren't nominated first. I understand it, but I don't like it. Lionel has tons of hits and a long career with connections throughout the industry. I also don't think an all-white class is likely. Richie has a very good chance.

2. Carly Simon: She faces some rough competition on this ballot but I think she will receive plenty of votes. She's always been an act that surprised me by never being nominated. Now she's on the ballot. If I had to guess right now I'd see her as just missing, but she has a good chance.

3. Pat Benatar: Everyone and their dog was shocked she didn't make it in two years ago. Then she wasn't nominated last year. She will place Top-5 in the fan vote and is one of the most popular hard rock acts on the ballot. Maybe she's edged out but I like her chances.

4. Eurythmics: This one might be up for debate and I'm sure many think I'm giving them too much of a chance. I think Stewart and Lennox have lots of friends in the industry. They were inescapable on MTV in the early 80s and have a nice mix of critical and popular acclaim. Less likely to make it in than the other names in this category, I think they could surprise. Need a larger class of 6-7 to make it happen.

5. RATM: The ballot sets up pretty well for them, which is a change from past years. No Soundgarden and Jane's Addiction types to compete. That's the main reason I'm putting them so high. This could be their best chance.

My thoughts will evolve over the next couple of months and I'm sure I'll talk myself out of certain things. But this is how I see the ballot right now.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 10:54am

remy10,

I think that Eminem will get in this year, I'm predicting him along with Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie and Carly Simon to get in this year. I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 10:59am

If I may paraphrase, respectfully, I think richie's point is that in the current social climate, Eminem ostensibly stands to miss out due to cancel culture. The kind of violence and anger in Eminem's songs is occasionally a little too far out there to be realistic (like Looney Tunes kind of violence), but much of it is very realistic, and has unquestionably happened multiple times, which makes it even more horrifying. Richie, is that a close reiteration to what you've been saying?

That said, the Rock Hall voting bloc is historically deaf to those kinds of objections.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 12:12pm

Philip,

Good to see you on here, regarding Eminem: I think that it could go either way, I absolutely think that he should be a slam-dunk first year eligible inductee based on all of his success and accomplishments, but I think that he may be too controversial and polarizing to get in right away, My point is that in the current social climate, Eminem ostensibly stands to miss out due to cancel culture. The kind of violence and anger in Eminem's songs is occasionally a little too far out there to be realistic (like Looney Tunes kind of violence), but much of it is very realistic, and has unquestionably happened multiple times, which makes it even more horrifying, I think that is a close reiteration to what I've been saying, Black Sabbath, The Stooges, The Sex Pistols and N.W.A. all took many nominations to get in because they were all too dangerous, edgy, abrasive, aggressive and controversial for the Voting Committee, Eminem is in that same boat as all of them (even though he is a much bigger name than all of them), so I feel that Eminem could shockingly miss out this year on his first year eligible just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band two years ago in 2020.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 12:39pm

Jordan,
I did adjust my Predictions. You had Very good point. I like both Rage Against TM and Priest. But lean much more to the Priest.
But I am most interested in you thoughts on my Special Categories. I doubt J Geils Band will ever be a Performer inductee But they are a good pick for Musical Excellence. They had a career in Blues Rock back in the 70s. They are just NOT notable enough as PERFORMER. This will cover Blues Rock. It's another Genre I love but is Neglected a lot since STEVIE RV was inducted. Give your thoughts on alll my Special category picks

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 13:36pm

Only 4 out of the 29 current members of the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame nominating committee are black: James Bernard - The Source Magazine, Reginald C. Dennis - The Source Magazine, Tom Morello, and Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson. I guess they are the ones nominating rappers. Dave Grohl and Tom Morello are also the ones nominating heavy metal bands.

White Heavy Metal bands are having trouble getting inducted, while black R&B groups are having trouble getting nominated.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 15:09pm

while we're on the topic of metal and the hall and side categories, y'all think there's a chance, should priest or rage miss in the main vote, that the hall puts up a metal figure or act for musical excellence, like rhoads last year, or maybe early influence? someone like ronnie james dio, blue cheer, steppenwolf, or maybe even priest. it's one way to avoid the criticism they get from metal circles

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 15:43pm

I wonder why Kate Bush is the only returning nominee who is doing better in the fan vote than last time.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 15:45pm

Mat R,

I actually think Ronnie James Dio would check a ton of boxes for a Musical Excellence induction, and it very well may happen for him this year. He was snubbed from being inducted as a performer with Sabbath, he was involved with a lot of groups, none of whom have a shot of ever getting in on their own, and has that kind of legendary status that the category is meant for.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 15:51pm

Follower

Cause she has a growing and passionate fanbase and every new rock and pop act to come out in the last few years cites her as an influence.

I exaggerate but those definitely factors

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 15:53pm

Follower,

This is fairly anecdotal and might not be the real reason, but in my experience as a late Millennial, I'm seeing that Kate Bush is becoming one of those artists that younger generations are really getting into. Basically all of the younger Millennials and Gen Zers that are into current art pop stuff like St Vincent, Phoebe Bridgers, Mitski, Lana Del Rey, Caroline Polachek, Lorde, Japanese Breakfast, even Billie Eilish, etc. have all discovered KB through the artists that followed her and now list themselves as huge fans. It probably won't move the needle much, as there is no overlap between college students on TikTok and the Rock Hall voting body, but it can definitely affect the fan vote and is worth noting for the future.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 16:05pm

K-Dawg,

You said yesterday that your official predictions for the 2022 inductees would be coming today, but you haven't posted it yet, Is it still coming today?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 17:55pm

Rg

I totally agree. The guy was active from 1957 to 2010, is regarded as the greatest metal vocalist by many, popularized the devils horns, and, as you mentioned, was snubbed from the sabbath induction. He totally makes sense for musical excellence.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 19:21pm

K-Dawg,

You said that you would be making your official predictions for the 2022 inductees today, but you still haven't posted it, Is it still coming today?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/9/2022 @ 22:41pm

They need a history of nominees by year.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 02:01am

For the ever inquisitive Richie...here are my predictions for inductees for the 2022 class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame:

1. Eminem
2. Duran Duran
3. Dolly Parton
4. Carly Simon
5. Lionel Richie
6. Eurythmics
(if 7) Judas Priest

Pat Benatar has a compelling case, Rage SHOULD go in if for no other reason to quit taking that slot away from a 90s band, and others like Kate Bush and Beck are deserving, but the Hall gave us a very diverse and deserving class. I predict there will be 6 main inductees; there remains a great chance for a couple of these acts to get in on other categories.

Thoughts?

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 05:43am

Anyone have any special category predictions at all?

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 07:31am

Ben/mat r, was thinking that Judas Priest is 'Traditional Metal'. To me, that means you have a charismatic/theatrical lead singer who hardly ever plays an instrument on stage, with a 2 guitar attack behind him/her & the bassist/drummer. Avatar would be another good example of that kind of band.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 07:36am

richie, we'll just have to agree to disagree on Eminem's polarity vs 2Pac/Biggie. Do like to hear your opinions.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 07:37am

Paul in KY,

I think that there is some ill will toward him (Eminem) that could possibly get in the way of him getting inducted this year, so he could shockingly miss out this year on his first year eligible just like Radiohead did four years ago in 2018 and become the second fan vote winner to not get inducted following Dave Matthews Band two years ago in 2020.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 08:50am

Like to point out the 3-timers or more stat again. Last five years were:

2017: Yes
2018: The Cars
2019: Janet Jackson and The Zombies
2020: Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails
2021: Todd Rundgren (Kraftwerk and LL Cool J don't count)
2022: ???

Either Rage or Priest will fill the blank in that slot. Who knows?

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 08:52am

Another thought I think we are overestimating Benatar getting in.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 08:56am

There seems to be a pattern every couple years where an artist that everyone predicted to go in that year got shockingly left out and it goes like this:

2016: Janet Jackson got shockingly left out despite everyone predicting her to go in that year.
2018: Radiohead got shockingly left out on their first year eligible despite everyone predicting them to go in that year.
2020: Pat Benatar got shockingly left out despite everyone predicting her to go in that year.

So I'm going out on a limb and say that Eminem will shockingly miss out this year on his first year eligible, I think that he may be too controversial, edgy, dangerous, aggressive and abrasive for the Voting Committee to go in right away (see Black Sabbath, The Stooges, The Sex Pistols, N.W.A.), with the Rock Hall's current female-friendly climate and Eminem's problematic early stuff (homophobic and violent lyrics against women) and the fact that Eminem still thrives on controversy to this day, I think there's a huge chance that it will happen.

Thoughts?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 09:12am

Plebeian,

I have to disagree with you about you overestimating Pat Benatar, I think she's getting in this year as well as she should, She's the only Classic Rock artist on the ballot this year and there was a huge outcry about her snub last time in 2020, so I think she's getting in this year as well as she should.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 09:16am

Question about the Previously Considered artists list: Besides the artists that have actually been nominated, how do we know the artists on the list who haven't been nominated were previously considered? Do we have sources for some of these?

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 09:53am

The past two Rock Hall induction classes (2020 and 2021) saw four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees get in for a total of 6 Performer inductees for both classes. for 2020: The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, The Notorious B.I.G. and T. Rex as first-time nominees and Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails as repeat nominees. and for 2021: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z and Tina Turner as first-time nominees and Carole King and Todd Rundgren as repeat nominees. Now, If that trend continues this year for 2022, Which four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees do you see getting inducted as Performers this year if that trend continues?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 11:35am

What I'm hoping for: Kate Bush, Judas Priest, Fela Kuti, Carly Simon, Dionne Warwick

What I think it will be (in order of likelihood from most to least): Eminem, Pat Benatar, Dionne Warwick, Dolly Parton, Rage Against the Machine, (if 6) Judas Priest, (if 7) Eurythmics, (if 8) New York Dolls

Posted by Chris on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 11:40am

Considering my question hasn't been answered yet, I'm assuming it is some treasonous to ask about and Im expecting to be assassinated at any moment for trying to discover the truth

Posted by Raichu on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 12:24pm

Plebeian and richie

I agree people are overestimating pat's chances but still think she's likely to go in. I don't agree with this sense that she's the classic rock nominee either because, while she had way more hits, she has as many modern day classic rock radio staples as judas priest (you're probably more likely to hear breaking the law than heartbreaker or hit me with your best shot) and maybe now even beck and rage due to the format change and fewer pop classics than duran duran. You could also can't really place her as the video artist cause of duran duran, lionel richie, and even beck are there. There's also the we need more women vote which is where she probably faces her stiffest competition (dolly, carly, dionne, kate).

She's got a big tent which is why i think she goes in but every single box that people want to say might be her's she has some stiff competition.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 13:24pm

Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop) his association with Dr. Dre places him at the bottom of this list. (No)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk) No offense to David Johansen, but I prefer his alter ego (Buster Poindexter).
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (No)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent) -(Yes)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter) (maybe)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (Yes)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog) (Not yet, unfortunately)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 14:24pm

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year in two scenarios (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

If Eminem doesn't get snubbed:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

If Eminem gets snubbed:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers (If Eminem doesn't get snubbed): Dionne Warwick, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

Spoilers (If Eminem gets snubbed): Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far)

I'm not 100% confident on Eminem unlike everyone else, He has a very dangerous and aggressive vibe and He has a very abrasive image that the Hall tends to find repellent, that's why it took Black Sabbath, The Stooges, The Sex Pistols and N.W.A. many nominations to get in because they were all edgy and controversial as well, so I'm not 100% confident on Eminem getting in right away even though he should be a slam-dunk FYE inductee because he's a very controversial and polarizing figure and Hall voters don't like controversial acts and tend to shun them. also, there may very well be "rap fatigue" among the voting body that still isn't 100% sold on the genre, so I'm not 100% confident on Eminem getting in FYE unlike everyone else, even though he really should be.

Any thoughts?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 14:49pm

Richie

If eminem Doesn't get in it's a statement vote more than likely about his homophobic lyrics (it's his biggest recurring controversy). If it's a statement against homophobia don't you think voters would also favour recognizing the only LGBTQ figure on the ballot, rob halford, otherwise risk making said statement look foolish and out of touch? Especially if it's 7 artists.

Based on that why class judas priest as spoiler instead of a top 7

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 16:34pm

Richie

Sorry meant to say organized statement vote against him for his homophobic lyrics

Posted by Matthew R on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 16:48pm

Mat R,

I hesitate to predict Judas Priest getting in because Metal has had an extremely tough time getting inducted, but I think that this is best chance yet for a couple of reasons, One, This is their third nomination and we have seen acts get in on their third nomination in recent years (Joan Jett & The Blackhearts and Lou Reed in 2015, Deep Purple in 2016, Yes in 2017, The Cars in 2018, Janet Jackson in 2019, Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails in 2020 and Todd Rundgren last year in 2021), so they definitely have that in their favor, Out of all of the acts that are nominated for the third time this year (Kate Bush, Devo, Judas Priest and New York Dolls), I think that Priest has the best chance, I'm not predicting them to get in because of what I mentioned, but I think that this is their best chance yet. and Two, They are on a less Classic Rock-heavy ballot, On their first nomination in 2018, They had to go up against Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, The J. Geils Band, The Moody Blues and The Zombies as Classic Rock nominees and On their second nomination in 2020, They had to go up against Pat Benatar, The Doobie Brothers, Motorhead, Todd Rundgren, T. Rex and Thin Lizzy as Classic Rock nominees, but this year, their only competition from the Classic Rock world is Pat Benatar, so that also helps them as well, I'm hesitating to predict them because Metal is a tough sell for the voting committee (Black Sabbath took 8 nominations and Iron Maiden and Motorhead have both failed to get in so far despite one nomination for both), but Judas Priest have had more songs played on Classic Rock Radio than Iron Maiden and Motorhead, so I think that they have a better chance this year than the previous two times that they were nominated.

Regarding Eminem: I think he gets in, but I won't be surprised if he doesn't because of his homophobic lyrics (it's his biggest recurring controversy) and I have to agree with you, it would be an organized statement vote against him for his homophobic lyrics if he doesn't get in, I'm still predicting him, but I'm not 100% confident as everyone else.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 17:05pm

Richie

But if it is meant to be a statement then wouldn't that also likely involve trying to push Rob Halford, who is a pretty legit gay icon (yes there are other gay icons on the ballot but they are, at least publicly, heterosexual), into the hall in spite of Eminem? Metal and 3rd nominations aside, a statement vote about homophobia could be seen as kind of meaningless or even go completely unnoticed when you also snub the lone prominent LGBTQ individual on the ballot. If there a conspiracy to screw Eminem over homophobia, elevating Rob and JP would be essential to their efforts otherwise it's just a waste of energy and political power

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 17:47pm

Someone more familiar with his catalogue should do a "Rock Hallers Eminem has dissed" list. I think he dissed Elvis once. (I know Public Enemy did, but Chuck D changed his mind after learning the "buy my records and shine my shoes" rumor was false, alongside learning other things about the King.)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 19:36pm

RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W, K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, KING, Casper, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Nick B., Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

The past two induction classes (2020 and 2021) saw four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees get in for a total of 6 Performer inductees for both classes. for 2020: The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, The Notorious B.I.G. and T. Rex as first-time nominees and Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails as repeat nominees. and for 2021: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z and Tina Turner as first-time nominees and Carole King and Todd Rundgren as repeat nominees. Now, If that trend continues this year for 2022, Which four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees do you see getting inducted as Performers this year if that trend continues?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 19:41pm

Follower

Here is the full list

Michael Jackson
Dr. Dre
Elvis
Kurt Cobain
Elton John
Madonna

Of them Jackson, Elvis, and Cobain are dead while Dre, Elton, and Madonna STAN him.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 19:46pm

If it was 4 first time and 2 second+ nominees

First Timer
-Eminem
-Beck
-Dolly
-Carly

Multiple
-Dionne
-Judas Priest

Early Influence
-MC5

Musical Excellence
-Devo

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 20:09pm

I think Caspar (or anyone with the book about charts) should give us the top singles/albums acts not in the hall now that country is fair game. (There's got to be several country acts bigger on the album charts than Dave Matthews Band. I don't think either of the two singles acts bigger than Mariah Carey would be country.)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 21:00pm

Joe S.,

Which acts do you see being inducted this year and Which acts do you see as potential spoilers/Wild Cards/Dark Horse picks?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 23:03pm

I dont think Eminems songs will hurt him as much as some people think. There are other controversial artists who got in without any of the mention he is drawing here. Jay Z is a great example just last year, and while I admit he didn't go as fas as em, his lyrics are comparable. I think Eminem gets in this year easily

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 23:15pm

K-Dawg,

The past two induction classes (2020 and 2021) saw four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees get in for a total of 6 Performer inductees for both classes. for 2020: The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, The Notorious B.I.G. and T. Rex as first-time nominees and Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails as repeat nominees. and for 2021: Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z and Tina Turner as first-time nominees and Carole King and Todd Rundgren as repeat nominees. Now, If that trend continues this year for 2022, Which four first-time nominees and two repeat nominees do you see getting inducted as Performers this year if that trend continues?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 23:22pm

K-Dawg

Oh yea Em is getting in. I'm just humouring richie cause they really seem interested in a chat about this. It would take a grand conspiracy to take him down and it would risk looking super out of touch.

Em really needs to be seen a the pop inductee this year rather than the rap one IMO. He was after all the best selling the best selling act of the 2000s, best selling male artist of the 2010s, has one of the 10 best selling albums of 2020s so far, is doing a Super Bowl half time show, has five #1 Hot 100 singles, the joint third most #1 albums of any solo artist. I really don't get why people are fixated on labeling him the rap rep when he's clearly the freaking pop super duper mega star of this group.

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 02/10/2022 @ 23:27pm

Mat R,

I think that Eminem is more of a Rap/Hip-Hop megastar than a Pop megastar, He is the Rap/Hip-Hop inductee this year, not the Pop inductee, IMO.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 00:23am

If that trend were to continue, I'd have to throw it at the Eurythmics, which I already predicted to be there, and either Pat Benatar or Rage. My gut tells me a bunch of the first time noms are going in though, and I hold to virtually all of the ones I mentioned being the favorites. With a group including Duran Duran, Eminem, Dolly Parton, Carly Simon and Lionel Richie, every one of them has a compelling argument to be in now. If not for influence, for previous trends of the voters

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 01:24am

Richie

I understand but over the last decade rap literally became the dominant sound in pop, away from rock, rnb, and dance, (reminder between 2001 [when "how you remind me was" #1] and 2006 [when "you're beautiful" reached #1] every #1 single on the hot 100 was either a rap song, features a rapper, or produced by a noted hip hop producer) and eminem was the biggest face, only really rivalled by kanye and drake, in not only that shift but music in general.

He represents that sea change in pop and trying to cram him into that rap box is very foolish especially as the nominating committee, the hall's marketing wing, and probably the majority of the general voters are well aware he is the moment that rap becomes the sound of mainstream pop.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 01:26am

*Sans American idol

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 01:35am

Maybe I have too much faith and I'm too much of a fan, but I think we are really underestimating Rage. Also there is no way all 5 in the fan vote get in. Way too fishy for me and I doubt we are going full blown 80s with the class. We are predicting Eurythmics, Benatar, Duran Duran, and Richie to be posed as possible 80s representative inductees, but I don't see it that way. I have a suspicion one of the locks that we are "thinking" are safe is gonna get axed. And it's not Eminem. Just a hunch.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 01:44am

One thing that probably contributed to Eminem's nomination was his choice as being a part of the Super Bowl halftime show.

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 02:25am

WANT
Devo
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Duran Duran
Judas Priest
Beck

OK WITH
Carly Simon
Lionel Richie
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
Fela Kuti
Rage Against the Machine
New York Dolls

DON'T WANT
A Tribe Called Quest
MC5
Eminem

Posted by Garrus on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 02:32am

Raichu,
HELLO, Hello. I've been trying to get Jordan. I'll get you instead. I Predicted the special categories 3 days ago on 2/8. You missed my post. I'll copy and paste it here. I felt I should update my predictions for the Regular Performers and may as well include Musical Excellence and Early Influence. I have predicted Special categories. It's funny I've been trying to get Jordan's thoughts on my predictions of Special Categories. Ha and you are asking did anyone predict the Special categories. Look no further. I'm the guy that has.

This is my Updated predictions for 2022 Inductees

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
.Chaka Khan
J. Geils Band
.The Meters

EARLY INFLUENCE
John Coltrane
Gram Parsons
Dionne Warwick

There you are. It's makes it easier than scrolling up to 2/8.
You notice that I inserted J Geils Band. Yeah looked deeper on Info. J Geils Band have been nominated 5 times. Since Blues rock has been neglected a lot since Steve Miller. I say it's a good shot. Let's discuss. I will discuss with you. Go ahead.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 04:32am

Plebeian,

You're probably right in a couple respects. I am looking at it as the ones who SHOULD get in based in terms of sheer influence, but yes, the Hall has a tendency to do 2 60s/70s, 2 80s and 2 90s. Given that, Rage, Beck or Eminem stand excellent chances of being nommed. I'll give Rage a slight nod over Beck because of Tom Morello and the potential justification of "he we put a rock band in" over a more deserving Judas Priest. I don't hate Rage, don't get me wrong. It's just that they've had YEARS to put them in, and they seem to be to me a "safe choice" for the committee to try to check its token box on more than one front. They should've gone in a couple years ago, and they're both going to cost one or two acts their potential slot this year as well as continuing to gum up the 90s rock from getting into the Hall in a timely manner. I won't change my predictions yet, but it's definitely on the radar that they are creeping up onto the favorites (not necessarily by popularity, but by tendency) to be on that pedestal in LA.

Again, nothing against RATM, it's more a knock on the committee...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 07:54am

Plebeian and K-Dawg,

If one of the acts that we've been heavily mentioning is gonna get axed, I think it will be Lionel Richie, I think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own and Darin Gailey said on Twitter that he thinks he may be a little too AC for even this Voting Committee and Nick Bambach also said on Twitter that he thinks that It might be a tad too AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), so I think that if one of the acts that we've been heavily mentioned is gonna get axed, it will be Lionel, not Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton or Carly Simon.

Regarding Rage Against The Machine: I love them and think that they really should get in, but they're facing tough competition this time around, I do have as a spoiler though, I think that they could sneak in this year, that's why I have them as a spoiler, but I have my doubts.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 09:05am

Hey Guys,

I really want you guys to cautiously predict 7 inductees this year instead of 6 because there are 17 nominees this year instead of 16 and it's also a hugely competitive ballot this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 09:23am

Ok so voting on the What-If google form I made has stopped, so I'm gonna reveal the results:
Judas Priest got 6 votes
Pat Benatar, Eminem and Rage Against the Machine all got 5
Dolly Parton, The Monkees, Fiona Apple and A Tribe Called Quest all got 4
Soundgarden and Fela Kuti got 3
Cher, Beck, Warren Zevon, New York Dolls, Eurythmics and Duran Duran all got 2
Slade and Meat Loaf got 1
Dionne Warwick and the Commodores got 0

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 10:07am

Richie

If 7

Eminem
Dolly
Pat
Dionne
Duran Duran
Judas Priest

And for #7 I'd guess the lone musicians musician on the list. The one who wrote, producer, engineered, arranged, and performed every instrument on his stuff and enjoyed a great deal of acclaim and commercial success: Beck.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 10:08am

Richie,

For once I agree with you. Lionel is not a critical darling far from it. That probably cost Benatar to not get in last time. Though Benatar has the advantage being boomer classic rock radio and a woman to the mix. When notoriously known non-critical darlings like JP and Warwick (who is also adult contemporary) place way higher than him on Acclaimed Music that looks pretty alarming. I think the Commodores argument is that people are bitter that 70s R&B does not get much respect and the last time we got one was Bill Withers back in 2015. But Troy Smith said it bluntly: Richie plays concerts, festivals, stadiums, etc. The Commodores play at the local Louisiana casino. All money talking.

Another thing is Rage has many factors for them to get in this year.

1) 30-year anniversary debut album
2) Much delayed and awaited reunion tour
3) Morello
4) Hometown advantage in L.A. should get them a edge
5) They are arguably the only pure 90s rock band with almost no one in their lane

That's why I think they might get in. Certain stars aligning kind of like NIN and FFs.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 10:50am

Plebeian,

For once, I have to agree with you about RATM, I think that the stars are aligning for them this year based on everything you just said, plus Beck is also from LA as well, so both Beck and Rage have that hometown edge going for them as well, I'm thinking that I should swap out Lionel for Rage, that's what I'm going to do:

Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Rage Against The Machine
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick, Beck, Judas Priest (I think that this is their best chance yet so far), Lionel Richie

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 11:07am

Richie,

My original prediction fits your 4 new, 2 previously nominated question, so I'll stick with that.

Eminem
Duran Duran
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest

If there's a seventh, I'd guess it would be Lionel Richie, RATM, Beck, or Kate Bush.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 11:36am

RG, Plebeian, Greg F, Michael W, K-Dawg, Ben, Shrek, KING, Casper, Enig, Donnie, Raichu, remy10, John R.C., Follower, Johnny, Ian, dmg, Nick B., Tom H., Eric Tompkins, Steve Z, Paul in KY, Joe S., Mat R, Lax39, Jordan Einstein and others,

In the event that one of the bands/acts on the ballot gets an induction this year, who would be the biggest beneficiary of that act next year?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 11:42am

richie,
I don't really understand the question

Posted by Raichu on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 12:53pm

Richie

If I'm understanding your question correctly, should devo, eurythmics, and especially beck or kate bush get in bjork benefits greatly. One of those plus radiohead and nin being in quashes a lot of the hesitation about her being too outthere i think

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 12:58pm

I think we are way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and he has the huge name recognition and star power, and totally needs to be in the HOF no doubt, but I just don't see it this year, He doesn't have any critical acclaim and He might be a little too Adult Contemporary/Pop for even this Voting Committee, plus he will split votes with Dionne Warwick as they're both Black artists and also Adult Contemporary/Pop artists, and I also think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I just think that it might be a tad too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), If Dionne Warwick (who's also nominated this year) couldn't get in last year because she might have been deemed too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee, then I highly doubt Lionel will this year despite his legendary status.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 14:49pm

That's a 17 part question. I'd need some time to write that up, but it's a fun query

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 14:50pm

With all the questions that boy asks, The Moody Blues' 'Questions' must be his favorite song.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:07pm

Joe,

I like to talk to people on here and ask questions all the time, because it's my job and I love it, and No, Questions by The Moody Blues is not my favorite song, Not even close to being my favorite song.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:16pm

Wait, asking questions is a job?

And it's a joke and I'm being sarcastic.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:20pm

Joe,

Who do you see being the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:21pm

MC5
New York Dolls
Fela Kuti
A Tribe Called Quest
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Devo

These 7 will get inducted.

Posted by Joe on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:29pm

Richie

Beck: Bjork or Sparks
Pat Benatar: Cyndi Lauper or The Bangles
Devo: The B-52s
Duran Duran: INXS
Dolly Parton: Marle Haggard, Willie Nelson, Loretta Lynn, Patsy Cline or Emmylou Harris
Eminem: OutKast
Eurythmics: Pet Shop Boys
Lionel Richie: The Commodores, Sting or Phil Collins
Dionne Warwick: The Carpenters
Judas Priest: Iron Maiden
Fela Kuti: Miriam Makeba
MC5: The Sonics
New York Dolls: Big Star
Kate Bush: Bjork, Tori Amos or Fiona Apple
A Tribe Called Quest: De La Soul
Carly Simon: Warren Zevon
Rage Against the Machine: Soundgarden or Alice in Chains

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 15:41pm

Greg F,

Who do you see being the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 16:02pm

Richie

1. Eminem
2. Dolly Parton
3. Duran Duran
4. Carly Simon
5. Judas Priest
6. Pat Benatar
7. New York Dolls

Spoiler: Beck, Eurythmics, Dionne Warwick, Lionel Richie

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 18:29pm

I'm starting to think we're grossly underestimating Beck's odds. We know the industry universally respects him deeply as an artist (probably more than most of those nominated), he's been consistently commercially relevant as a musician for probably longer than anyone else nominated aside from maybe judas priest, and he's made a lot of friends like Dave Grohl, U2, The Rolling Stone, and Bob Dylan. This is a guy who is so respected that he beat Beyonce in the year of Beyonce with a forgettable album, a sign that he probably got that older white guy vote.

The more i think about it, the I feel like there's a good chance beck isn't a lot of people's top 3 but probably there #4 or 5 pick (like a lot).

Thoughts?

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 20:41pm

Mat R,

I think that Beck could sneak in, but I'm not predicting him to get in because Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine and Soundgarden all didn't get inducted on their first nominations, He's got huge respect from both older and younger musicians and is a huge critical favorite as well, plus the ceremony's in LA (his hometown) this year, so that definitely helps him as well, I think that he could sneak in, but I'm not predicting him to get in FYN because of those acts that I mentioned that didn't get in FYN/FYE.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 21:04pm

Richie

I feel his odds might actually be as strong, if not stronger, as like Duran Duran or Lionel Richie or Pat Benatar. They're MTV stars, he's an MTV star, they sold records, he sold records, they have truly iconic songs, he has truly iconic songs, they won boat loads of Grammys, he won boat loads of Grammys. Beck's edge might be Odelay being a undeniable classic album.

I hear you on the 90s acts waiting, but Beck has one thing most of those didn't: a nominee class packed to the brim with 80s nostalgia and a lack of "rock".

There's a good chance an 80s nostalgia show bookended with Dolly Parton and Eminem and a Dionne tribute in the middle would be an unappealing thought to many. Beck being a 90s and 00s might provide a nice breath of fresh air to many voters who don't want rap rock or another tribute in place for some "second or third tier" 80s synth act on what will probably be the most culturally relevant induction ceremony (due to Eminem still being a hitmaker) they've done in ages. Beck and Tribe, both of whom are still relevant, stand a good chance at gaining that "I'm sick of the 80s" vote with Beck having the old rock guy vote.

I think you're right in that it's likely they want to do 7 artists but I don't see them wanting to put on an 80s nostalgia show which is why a likable and respected guy like Beck might be there

Posted by mat r on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 21:36pm

Mat R,

I know, but if Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails didn't get in right away and Jane's Addiction, Dave Matthews Band, Rage Against The Machine (who's also nominated this year) and Soundgarden can't get in, then I highly doubt that Beck will despite huge respect from his peers and critics.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 21:49pm

Mat R,

I think that they want to put on an 80's nostalgia show, so that's why I'm predicting Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and Eurythmics to get in this year, As much as I love Beck, I think that his low showing in the fan vote (he's at #15 in the fan vote) will hurt him, I think that he could sneak in, but I think that if Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails didn't get in right away and if Jane's Addiction, Dave Matthews Band, Rage Against The Machine (who's also nominated this year) and Soundgarden can't get in, then I highly doubt Beck will despite huge respect from his peers and fellow musicians as well as music critics.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 22:03pm

Richie

Re: Radiohead and NIN.

Radiohead on the Hall in 2017

Phil Selway: "We'd have to sit down and talk about it, but it's probably not at the top of my list of things to do. But who knows? I don't know."

Jonny Greenwood: "I don't care."

Thom Yorke: "It wouldn't be the first place … don't ask me things like that."

Ed O'Brien: "I don't want to be rude about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because for a lot of people it means something, but culturally I don't understand it."

Also Trent Reznor in 2017: "I saw somebody write something online or comment on Twitter like, 'What could be less rock and roll than the f*ck*n' Hall Of Fame?' And that is authentically how I feel about it. I'll say this: It's nice to be appreciated. It's nicer when it feels like that's coming from a place that you care about"

Meanwhile Beck in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u818D6mXQ78

Also I said I don't think Beck is anyone's #1 but he's an industry fave and a refresher for 80s stuff and I don't think they want to be an 80s nostalgia show because this is meant to be the year of Eminem and an overly New Wave show would not go over well with his fans at the live show and they know it. They can get away with 2 maybe 3 but 4 not a chance. We all know voters consider that as well. (BTW Jay-Z was dead last in the fan vote last year)

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 22:27pm

Mat R,

but you're wrong, I think that they want it to be an 80's nostalgia show with Pat, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, I think that this is the year of the 80's as well as it should be, I think that Beck will get in on his second try next year just like Radiohead did in 2019 and I think that Dionne Warwick will take three tries to get in just like Janet Jackson did.

Anyway, Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (if it's 6):

Pat Benatar (Classic Rock pick)
Duran Duran (1 of two New Wave picks, plus likely Fan Vote Winner)
Eminem (FYE lock/shoo-in)
Eurythmics (2nd of two New Wave picks, plus they're this year's Steve Miller/Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfler/Brian Eno & Bryan Ferry/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl/Todd Rundgren with huge respect in the music industry)
Dolly Parton (this year's Joan Baez and Nina Simone, Enough said)
Carly Simon (this year's Singer-Songwriter pick)

If 7:

Rage Against The Machine (I think that the fourth time will be the charm for them, if they do 7 inductees, plus the ceremony's in LA this year)

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 22:38pm

Mat R,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoiler: Rage Against The Machine

I think that it'll be an all-white class this year, I think that Dionne Warwick will once again be seen as too Adult Contemporary/Pop for even this Voting Committee and the same will be said for Lionel Richie, I think that Lionel will be seen as too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example) and he'll split votes with Dionne as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists, I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated, The other acts that are nominated (A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Devo, Fela Kuti, MC5 and New York Dolls) have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 23:55pm

Richie

How am I wrong exactly? I see why you think 80s nostalgia is the name of the game but the very first artist they highlighted on all their social media accounts (not counting retweets) was Eminem. He's also been killing the fan vote (I think he's got like 15k votes on Duran Duran) and they've highlighted that as well. After him it seems they want to make a big deal of Dolly because, other than Eminem, she dominated the headlines out of the gate. They've both just come out a owned the mainstream discourse and it's reflecting in the halls promo material and if both of them get in and are meant to be the highlights, 80s nostalgia would not fly.

Back to Beck.

You seem to not like holes and this class has a lot of holes in it with no clear figures in spots that you seem to think they occupy. I'm not telling you Beck is getting in, I'm telling you there are a lot of factors that make him getting in a lot more likely than you seem to want them to be.

Looking at your list there, I'm just going to do a quick breakdown ok?

Eurythmics - Yes they are well respected and beloved figures and yea they're a 2nd time nominee but Beck also hits this spot very, very well

Carly Simon - Yes she is the 70s singer songwriter but if someone is going off acclaim and major accolades, Beck is the more celebrated singer-songwriter

Rage Against The Machine - Yes on nomination #4, yes a rock act, yes one of the last megastar rock bands however much shorter career, much smaller discography, and influence is questionable compared to Beck.

Beck hits a lot of boxes probably more broadly than anyone else listed. While everyone has bases, Beck has a hodgepodge coalition of sorts. He's that guy who has a lot of potential to have the most 5th place votes while rarely hitting top 3, especially if voters either want an eclectic show or just want to avoid an semi-80s nostalgia show. Is that a dark horse spoiler or is that a serious contender? I don't know but I think placing him as the 4th rank spoiler (aka spot number 11) instead of strong contender for that hypothetical 7th or even the 6th spot is correct. I think he's way more in the mix than people (including myself) have previously thought

Now you keep bringing up Radiohead but Radiohead on the record didn't care while Beck is on friendly terms with the hall. Also Foo Fighters went in first year they were eligible, I think that helps Beck.

Now I will say, Beck can wait and Beck probably does have some people mad at him over Scientology, stuff he said about rehabs, his poor interview with Nardwuar (aka a guy a lot of musicians love) and some who see him as a joke due to "Who is Beck?" and Kanye overshadowing his big Grammy win and people who think he's not a big deal cause he has one top 40 singles. That stuff would haunt a lot of people and I think it hangs over Beck but I still think Beck is a lot of industry people's #5 pick.

Feel free to disagree but don't just tell me I'm wrong when we're speculating on nominees and branding

Posted by Mat R on Friday, 02/11/2022 @ 23:55pm

Mat R,

I'm predicting Beck to get in now, I just swapped out Rage Against The Machine for Beck, so, without further adieu, Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I really think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Beck (This year's 90's Alternative pick)
Pat Benatar (This year's Classic Rock pick)
Duran Duran (1st of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks, plus likely Fan Vote Winner)
Eminem (FYE lock/shoo-in)
Eurythmics (2nd of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks, plus they're this year's Steve Miller/Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfler/Brian Eno & Bryan Ferry/Marc Bolan/Dave Grohl/Todd Rundgren with huge respect and huge connections in the music industry)
Dolly Parton (This year's Joan Baez and Nina Simone, Enough said)
Carly Simon (This year's 70's Singer-Songwriter pick)

Spoiler: Rage Against The Machine

I think that it'll be an all-white class this year, I think that Dionne Warwick will once again be seen as too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee and the same will be said for Lionel Richie, I think that Lionel will also be seen as too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example) and he'll split votes with Dionne as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists, I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated, The other acts that are nominated this year (A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, Devo, Fela Kuti, MC5 and New York Dolls) have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 00:23am

Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop) his association with Dr. Dre places him at the bottom of this list. (No)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk) No offense to David Johansen, but I prefer his alter ego (Buster Poindexter).
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (No)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent) -(Yes)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter) (maybe)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (Yes)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog) (Not yet, unfortunately)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 02:29am

Does anyone have a "worst possible inductors" list?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 02:49am

Raichu,
2 days ago in the morning you wrote:
"Anyone have any special category predictions at all"?

I posted my Updated List. It does indeed include the Special Categories.
This is my Updated predictions for 2022 Inductees

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

MUSICAL EXCELLENCE
.Chaka Khan
J. Geils Band
.The Meters

EARLY INFLUENCE
John Coltrane
Gram Parsons
Dionne Warwick

Raichu, You will note I picked J. Geils Band. That's because they were nominated 5 times. Since the recent classes have been devoid of Blues Rock this covers that. PLEASE respond. I would like to discuss.
For Early Influence I have ventured slightly to the 70s. Gram Parson is a pick here, I checked facts. He started releasing things around 1967,68. I am a big Jazz fan and feel someone in Jazz should be an Early Influence. John Coltrane is one of the best picks for Jazz. I also picked Dionne Warwick. When you're Not busy we shall discuss. I probably won't repeat this again. I'm hoping for response. Let's discuss RAICHU.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 04:39am

About the 2022 Nominees, Follower wrote:
Does anyone have a "worst possible inductors" list?
Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 02:49am

You mean a worst case scenario of 2022 inductees?

Fela Kuti
MC5
Devo
Beck
Eminem

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 06:09am

Ben, your picks for special categories are very good. Here's my own picks for those categories.

Early Influence:
John Coltrane
Captain Beefheart & the Magic Band
Ella Fitzgerald

Musical Excellence:
J. Geils Band
Chaka Khan
Hubert Sumlin

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 09:44am

Good picks Ben!

Here is my side categories

Early Influence:

MC5
Big Mama Thornton
Joe Tex

Musical Excellence:

Chaka Khan
Carol Kaye
Gram Parsons

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

Rick Rubin

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 10:29am

Plebeian,

Who do you see being the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 10:58am

I'll go ahead and leave this here as well:

Performer:
Duran Duran
Eminem
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
ATCQ
Judas Priest

Non-Performer:
Estelle Axton

Musical Excellence:
Dr. Dre
Chaka Khan
Carol Kaye

Early Influence:
Fela Kuti
Patsy Cline
Dionne Warwick

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 11:15am

Richie,

From most likely to least likely

Eminem (duh)
Dolly Parton (duh)
Duran Duran (new wave competitors might clog them, but I see them syphoning all votes from them)
Pat Benatar (Critics hate her, but she is classic rock)
Judas Priest (fits the three times the charm model)
Rage Against The Machine (Have faith, all of nothing)
Carly Simon (No one in her lane, but hardly a singer-songwriter that is as acclaimed as her peers and ex-husband)

Spoilers:
Lionel Richie (Need that one singular black act to make the class not lily white and he knows a thing or two about putting on a good show)
Dionne Warwick (Friends in higher places)
Beck (Sleeper dark horse)
Eurythmics (See Warwick)

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 11:16am

Plebeian,

I agree with most of your list (Eminem, Dolly Parton, Duran Duran, Pat Benatar, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon, Dionne Warwick, Beck and Eurythmics), I think that all of these acts that we mentioned are the top contenders for getting inducted this year, but if one Black artist gets in this year, it will be Dionne Warwick, not Lionel Richie. As I said, I think voters will look at Lionel and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, and I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 13:03pm

Roy,

I meant worst possible presenters, like Joe and K-Stud did when they did their show and said David Duke (Grand Wizzard of the KKK) would be the worst inductor for Jay-Z.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 13:12pm

Mat R,

but in all seriousness, Beck is hugely deserving of induction and should get in, in fact, he's a much better choice than Dave Matthews Band (who were nominated two years ago in 2020) and I think that he should have been on the ballot in 2019 or 2020 along with OutKast, I think that if Beck (as well as Eminem) gets in this year, I think that OutKast will be nominated next year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 13:57pm

Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop) his association with Dr. Dre places him at the bottom of this list. (Hell No)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (No, Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk) No offense to David Johansen, but I prefer his alter ego (Buster Poindexter).
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (No)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent) -(Yes)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter) (maybe)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (Yes)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog) (Not yet, unfortunately)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 14:48pm

Please consider this before voting: Which artists on the Nominating Committee's list have cross-generational appeal? If they don't, then I see very little chance of them being actually being inducted.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 14:56pm

Here's my revised prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year and I think that it'll be an all-white class this year):

Beck (This year's 90's Alternative pick)
Pat Benatar (This year's Classic Rock pick)
Duran Duran (1st of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks, plus likely Fan Vote Winner)
Eminem (FYE lock/shoo-in and this year's Rap/Hip-Hop pick)
Eurythmics (2nd of two 80's New Wave/Alternative picks, plus they're this year's Steve Miller/Electric Light Orchestra/Dire Straits/Roxy Music/T. Rex/Todd Rundgren with members that have huge respect and huge connections in the music industry)
Dolly Parton (This year's Joan Baez and Nina Simone, Enough said)
Carly Simon (This year's 70's Singer-Songwriter pick)

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick (The next Female Pop/R&B star to go in IMO), Rage Against The Machine (The next 90's Alternative Rock band to get in IMO)

I think that you guys are way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, and totally needs to be in the Rock Hall in some capacity, but I just don't see it this year, He doesn't have any critical acclaim and He might be a little too AC for even this Voting Committee, plus he will split votes with Dionne Warwick as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists and Dionne is more likely to get in this year than Lionel, which is why I have Dionne as a spoiler and I also think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I just think that it might be a tad too AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), If Dionne couldn't get in last year because she might have been deemed a little too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee, then I highly doubt that Lionel will this year despite his legendary status. I think that he's likely to be more like Sting and Steve Winwood when they were nominated more than Stevie Nicks.

I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing.

The other acts that are nominated this year (New York Dolls, Devo, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, MC5 and Fela Kuti) have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 15:53pm

Current thoughts. Richie is right probably a big class. 7 inductees plus they'll use both ame and early influence for a nominee this year

Performer
- eminem
- dolly
- dionne
- pat
- duran duran
- priest
- beck or carly (if 7th spot)

AME
- kate bush
- lee perry

Early influence
- mc5
- dj cool herc

Non-Perfomer
- hype williams, music video director
Or
- ryan schreiber, founder of pitchfork

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 16:59pm

Mat R,

I think that it'll be an all-white class this year, that's why I'm predicting Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon to get in this year, If we get a Black inductee this year, it will be Dionne Warwick, but I feel that she may have to wait one more year and she'll get in on her 3rd try next year just like Janet Jackson did in 2019.

I think that Priest misses out again this year despite having no real competition this time around unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing, According to Nominating Committee member Alan Light a few years ago in 2018, He said that Judas Priest did horrendously in the Voting Committee tally the first year that they were nominated (in 2018), so that will hurt them despite having no real competition this time around unlike 2018 and 2020.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 17:15pm

Plebeian

Rubin is definitely a strong contender but I'm unsure he'd get the prize if the class is so heavily white as many are predicting atm. Jam and lewis or sean combs might be more likely if they do a producer.

Personally I'm thinking they'll do either press or bring video directors into the fold to spice things up

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 17:26pm

Richie

Agree sadly there's a strong chance it happens but i think Dionne has a good shot and i think priest will benefit by being the "digestible diversity act" for more conservative voters (compated to fela, lionel, tribe, and rage) on top of having no clear competition.

If neither gets in in the vote Dionne will get AME and i think ronnie james dio will be inducted as early influence or ame as an olive branch to metal fans and musicians.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 17:44pm

Mat R,

I agree with you that Dionne has a good shot this year, that's why I have her as a spoiler along with Rage Against The Machine and Judas Priest has no real competition this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020), but Iron Maiden had no real competition last year and they still didn't get in, so I hesitate to say that Priest will get in this year, but won't be surprised if they do because it would sure open the floodgates for more Hard Rock/Heavy Metal bands to get in like Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy and Motley Crue.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 18:05pm

Mat R,

Spike Jonze would be a fun choice. Worked with Beck, Beastie Boys, Jay-Z, Weezer, etc. The co-creator of Jackass and acclaimed director for Being John Malkovich and Her. Though I suppose it will be hard to categorize a music video director.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 18:19pm

Judas Priest seems to be climbing past well as they are 13,000 votes away from Eurythmics. Being always in fifth place on the top 5 should grab the Hall's attention.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 18:26pm

Plebeian

Oh yea spike is one of the 12 guys i see with extremely strong cases for going into the hall for video direction (him, david fincher, michel gondry, godley and creme, hype williams, michael bay, mark romanek, joseph khan, dayton and faris, floria sigismondi). He's prob the #3 pick on that power list after Williams and romanek, who mostly dedicated their careers to videos and really advanced it. Williams is the one i think is the lock because more than anyone else i think he shaped a genre's image (hip hop).

I feel strongly that the hall would be wise to create a 5th lane for people like video directors, photographers, and graphic designers because that backlog of legends in those fields is massive and the ertegun prize will never get to them. Make the ahmet ertegun for execs and producers and like pennie smith (to pick a random name) prize for those in art design.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 18:55pm

I don't think I've shared my predictions for the special categories, so here goes:
Early Influence:
Big Mama Thorton
MC5
Afrika Bambaataa

Musical Excellence:
Ronnie James Dio
Chaka Khan
The Monkees: considering they weren't on the ballot this year the Hall must have something planned for them with only one member left. This is also an excuse for me to say that Smash Mouth and Eddie Murphy should do I'm a Believer for the tribute performace. This is a Shrek reference and I know its not going to happen but idc

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 20:02pm

Plebeian,

In the event that one of the bands/acts on the ballot gets an induction this year, who would be the biggest beneficiary of that act next year?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 21:30pm

Raichu,

Fully agreed on Big Mama Thornton, MC5, Ronnie James Dio, and Chaka Khan, I am predicting them as well.

Afrika Bambaataa, while he had a massive influence on hip-hop and deserves induction on those merits, I think the Hall will be very hesitant to give a platform to someone who has many credible allegations of child molestation against him. (And yes, I know that he would be far from the first creep to be inducted, but the difference is that this type of behavior is taken a lot more seriously now than in the 80s and 90s when a lot of those guys were being inducted.) I think a more likely Early Influence candidate from the early days of hip hop might be DJ Kool Herc, who is pretty much credited with the invention of the genre.

Another artist that I am predicting for the Early Influence line is Link Wray. He's one of the biggest snubs still remaining of the pre-British Invasion Rock & Roll era, was very influential on the development of the genre, popularized the power chord, would be an opportunity for wider representation as the first (to my knowledge) major Native American inductee, and has appeared on the ballot twice in the past decade.

For Musical Excellence, I will also put forward Carol Kaye, one of the most prolific session musicians of all time.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 21:48pm

My predictions for the side categories this year are:

Early Influence:

MC5
Big Mama Thornton
Link Wray

Spoilers: Patsy Cline, Fela Kuti, New York Dolls

Musical Excellence:

Ronnie James Dio
Carol Kaye
Chaka Khan

Spoilers: Kate Bush, Devo, Dr. Dre

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 21:59pm

Richie,

Eurythmics:
Devo, Can, Bjork

Judas Priest:
Iron Maiden, Motörhead, Steppenwolf

Beck:
Sonic Youth, Devo, Gram Parsons

Devo:
Captain Beefheart, Brian Eno, Weird Al

Eminem:
Outkast, Dr. Dre, Wu-Tang Clan

Pat Benatar:
Foreigner, Alanis Morissette, Sheryl Crow

Duran Duran:
Chic (LOL), Blur, No Doubt

New York Dolls:
MC5, The B-52's, The Replacements

MC5:
Link Wray, John Coltrane,
New York Dolls

A Tribe Called Quest:
Afrika Bambaataa, Eric B. And Rakim, Nas

Kate Bush:
King Crimson, Bjork, Tori Amos

Fela Kuti:
John Coltrane and Brian Eno

Lionel Richie:
Sade, James Ingram, Teddy Pendergrass

Carly Simon:
Diana Ross and Tori Amos

Dolly Parton:
Patsy Cline, The Carter Family, Emmylou Harris

Dionne Warwick:
Ella Fitzgerald, The Spinners, Mariah Carey

Rage Against The Machine:
Jane's Addiction, Bad Brains, Eric B. And Rakim

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 23:07pm

Richie, RG, Raichu

I feel like Ronnie James Dio, or any metal figure, is very dependent on Priest or Rage not getting in. The Hall as many have noted is iffy on inducting metal and given how they seem to want to use side categories I'm doubtful they'd use one to get a second metal act in when they could use it for like Kate Bush or Fela Kuti.

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 02/12/2022 @ 23:59pm

Richie (also using Plebeian's format)

Eurythmics:
New Order, Björk, Daft Punk

Judas Priest:
Iron Maiden, Motörhead, Mötley Crüe

Beck:
Björk, Liz Phair, The Magnetic Fields

Devo:
Weird Al, The Buggles, Björk

Eminem:
Outkast, Missy Elliot (eligible 2023), Insane Clown Posse

Pat Benatar:
Liz Phair, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette

Duran Duran:
Wham, George Michael, The Smiths

New York Dolls:
The Smiths, The B-52's, The Replacements

MC5:
Steppanwolf, Guess Who, Link Wray

A Tribe Called Quest:
Outkast, Fugees, De La Soul

Kate Bush:
Björk, Tori Amos, Fiona Apple

Fela Kuti:
Buena Vista Social Club, WITCH, John Coltrane

Lionel Richie:
Sade, Michael Bolton, Babyface

Carly Simon:
Liz Phair, Tracy Chapman, The Carpenters

Dolly Parton:
Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, Shania Twain

Dionne Warwick:
Mariah Carey, Diana Ross, Burt Bacharach and Hal David (as non-performers)

Rage Against The Machine:
Jane's Addiction, Queens of the Stone Age (eligible 2023), Faith No More


Björk is the big gainer from a lot of these nominations. She's arguably more worthy than most of the artist she's gaining from, she's one of a kind, incredibly influential, got 2 platinum records and a gold record, boat loads of awards and nominations, and is seen by many as one of if not the greatest video artist in history, but her big hold up is being too much of an outsider and anomaly. Beck, Bush, Devo, and Eurythmics all kind of make her seem more at home in the hall.

Liz Phair was probably off lot of people's radar until very recently with her memoir, acts like Soccer Mommy, Phoebe Bridgers, and Snail Mail calling her the GOAT, Exile in Guyville ranking #56 on the RS500, and Pitchfork admitting they were wrong to give her self titled a 0.0/10. Carly Simon and Pat Benatar clear up a lot of lanes that could benefit Liz now that people are over dismissing her for going pop and celebrate her as one of the most important rock acts of the 90s.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 01:09am

There's no way that both Eurythmics & Duran Duran would be inducted this year, only one of them might have a shot to be inducted & that's DD mostly because they have more sales & were considered as figures of MTV generation not to mention there's a lot of hype for them since members John Taylor & Simon Le Bon inducted Roxy Music three years ago & the release of their 15th album Future Past. Eurythmics are great in their own but they haven't been releasing any new music since 1999 & have been reuniting on & off sporadically since 2005, with that said they might receive 1 more nomination for induction.

Judas Priest's chances for induction are at 80% because not only that Metal needs more representation at the Rockhall but it's their 3rd nomination & it's pretty sure that 3 nominations would be a charm for them since it worked for most artists in the past also it's creating a logjam for other bands like Iron Maiden & Motorhead.

If the Hall wants to evolve more with inductions then Dolly Parton would certainly be a choice for it since there are rarely country acts inducted as main performers with Johnny Cash being the only one while the others were inducted under Early Influence or AME.

I think Carly Simon is not an bad nominee but i don't see a point in her possible induction mostly because she against Dolly Parton & Pat Benatar. She's worthy of induction but it's a long shot. i get that with Carole King's honor opened the door for her but it's not an guarantee.

I would love to talk more but i'm getting ready for work so talk to y'all later.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 06:00am

Jordan Einstein,

I think that you're wrong about Duran Duran and Eurythmics both being inducted in the same year, I think that if there was ever a year that we see two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts get in in the same year, It's this year with Duran Duran and Eurythmics. I see both of them getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 09:16am

Jordan Einstein,

I have to disagree with you on Judas Priest, I think that the Metal bias will continue and they still won't get in, even though they really should because the voters hate Metal more than anything, that's why they did horribly in the Voting Committee tally the previous two times that they were nominated.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 09:26am

Richie/jordan

Depeche mode and nine inch nails (both synth innovators) went in same year so I'm inclined to agree there's a good chance of Duran Duran and Eurythmics (or Devo in place of one of them) going in together. I don't think it'll happening but i wouldn't dismiss it.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 09:39am

Mat R,

I forgot that Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails went in together in the same year in 2020, so did Electric Light Orchestra and Yes (both Prog acts) in 2017, so yeah, I think that Duran Duran and Eurythmics will get in together this year at the same time and their inductions will open the door for The B-52's to get in next year as they would be the most commercially successful and popular 80's New Wave/Alternative act along with INXS not in yet, The B-52's would be one of two household names from the 80's New Wave/Alternative era not in, the other being INXS, so I think that Duran Duran and Eurythmics both getting in this year would open the door for The B-52's and INXS to get in as well it should.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 09:54am

Plebeian, Greg F and Mat R,

I think the acts who would benefit from any of the acts that are nominated this year should they get in this year next year would be:

Beck: Bjork, Sonic Youth, Gram Parsons, Sparks
Pat Benatar: Foreigner, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Sheryl Crow, The Bangles
Devo: The B-52's, Bjork, Captain Beefheart, Brian Eno, "Weird Al" Yankovic
Duran Duran: INXS, George Michael, The Smiths, Chic (LOL), Blur, No Doubt
Dolly Parton: Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline, The Carter Family
Eminem: OutKast, Missy Elliott, Dr. Dre, Wu-Tang Clan
Eurythmics: New Order, Bjork, Daft Punk, Can, Pet Shop Boys
Lionel Richie: The Commodores (LOL), Sting, Phil Collins, Sade
Dionne Warwick: The Spinners, Mariah Carey, Diana Ross, The Carpenters
Judas Priest: Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Motley Crue, Steppenwolf
Fela Kuti: John Coltrane and Brian Eno
MC5: Steppenwolf, The Guess Who, Link Wray, John Coltrane
New York Dolls: The Smiths, The B-52's, The Replacements, Big Star
Kate Bush: King Crimson, Bjork, Tori Amos, Fiona Apple
A Tribe Called Quest: OutKast, Afrika Bambaataa, Eric B. & Rakim, De La Soul, Nas, The Fugees
Carly Simon: Warren Zevon, Diana Ross, Tori Amos, Tracy Chapman, The Carpenters
Rage Against The Machine: Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Jane's Addiction, Bad Brains, Eric B. & Rakim

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 11:31am

Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most favorite:

17. Eminem (hip hop) his association with Dr. Dre places him firmly at the bottom of this list. (Hell No!)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (No, Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk) No offense to David Johansen, but I prefer his alter ego (Buster Poindexter).
13. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
12. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No)
11. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (No)
10. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal, prog Metal, prog adjacent) -(Yes)
09. Beck (singer- songwriter) (maybe)
08. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
07. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
06. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (Yes)
05. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter, rock, hard rock and pop) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog) (Not yet, unfortunately)
02. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, or Dionne Warwick (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony.

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 12:23pm

Ranking the 17 nominees from my least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent)(Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog)(Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also
Induct Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 12:58pm

I wish we didn't have to wait until May. We've already waited long enough.

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 23:41pm

With most at the most expecting a very white and, if Priest doesn't get it, very straight class. With that it seems likely they'll use the side categories to honour minority artists. I decided (for fun) to make a short list of more left of centre picks for EARLY INFLUENCE than Big Mama Thornton, DJ Cool Herc, Fela Kuti, Lee "Scratch" Perry, and John Coltrane that could maybe pop up

Outsider Early Influence Contenders

- Ravi Shankar (1920-2012): classical Indian music whose impact on 60s rock n roll and world music. Probably the easiest pick for this. Without him no post-65 Beatles, no George Harrison, no John Coltrane, no raja rock, probably a later rise of world music, literally no Norah Jones

- Screamin' Jay Hawkins (1929-2000): blues singer and proto shock rocker best known for the song "I Put a Spell on You" (1956). His inovative stage shows lead him to become a popular touring act, opening for everyone from Fats Domino to The Clash, and lead to an acclaimed acting career. Without him no Alice Cooper, Tom Waits, Rob Zombie. His big plus is he's from Cleveland

- Wendy Carlos (1939-): electronic music innovator and popularizer of Moog synthesizers best known for the classical album "Switched-On Bach" (1968) and the scores to A Clockwork Orange (1971) and The Shining (1980). Her 1979 interview with Playboy where she came out as trans is often seen as a milestone for the trans community. Without her no Giorgio Moroder, Kraftwerk, Arca

- The Last Poets: poetry collective that along with Gil Scott-Heron are seen as key to the proto-rap scene of the late 60s early 70s. They have continued to be active to this day. Without them no NWA, Public Enemy, De La Soul

- Buffy Sainte-Marie (1941-): folk and indigenous music artist prehaps best known for the song "Universal Soldier" (1964) and the Polaris Music Prize winning Power in the Blood (2015). Extensive songwriting career and was the first First Nations person to win an Oscar. Without her no Tanya Tagaq, Kate Bush, and various hits for Joe Cocker, Cher, Shirley Bassey

- Bad Brains: punk and reggae band best known for their self titled 1982 debut album and the single "Pay to Cum" (1980). largely seen as the inventing hardcore punk and being key the the alternative metal movement. Without them no Minor Threat, no Black Flag, no emo

- Dick Dale (1937-2019): surf rock and proto-punk artist best known for his work with his band The Deltones and their singles "Let's Go Trippin" (1960) and "Misirlou" (1962). His combo of rock and Arabic music (he was half Lebanese) and experiments with reverb proved greatly influential to not only surf rock but guitar as well. Without him no Beach Boys, Jan and Dean, and Pearl Jam

Genesis P-Orridge (1950-2020): best known for h/er work with industrial group Throbbing Gristle (who would likely be the inductee), the album 20 Jazz Funk Greats (1979), the band Psychic TV, and their postgender project known as "The Pandrogeny Project". Possibly the most influential figure on industrial music aside from Trent Reznor. With h/er no Nine Inch Nails, Death Grips, Ministry

Thoughts? Anyone their make sense

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 02/13/2022 @ 23:59pm

I'm surprised the only Hall Watcher with a blog to put out a reaction to the nominees is Philip. No Nick, Mark/Alex, Donnie, Michelle, Charles, etc.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 00:35am

Follower,
Not sure if you were aware but we did a nominees reaction episode on my podcast that debuted the day after the announcement (with Mark/Alex as the guest).

Here's the link -
https://rockinretrospect.buzzsprout.com/

Posted by Nick B. on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 00:50am

Nick B.,

Who do you see being the 2022 inductees (if it's 7 inductees this year instead of 6)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 01:07am

Richie,
You have DMed me (and several others) about this several times over the last two weeks. Although we don't say a definitive six or seven by the end of the episode, Mark and I discussed each artist and their chances for induction.

Posted by Nick B. on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 01:11am

Excellent response to Special categories. Captain Beefheart & the Magic Band is Not one I thought of. That's a great pick for Early Influence.
Ella Fitzgerald was one of my picks for Early I a month ago. I switched that out for Gram Parsons. I wanted to pick somebody from my Dad's time. But I feel strongly about Gram Parsons.
Musical Excellence: for
J. Geils Band makes a lot of sense. and so does Chaka Khan. These have a nominated a lot of times. Hubert Sumlin is blues guitarist I didn't think of. You guys all have great picks. I;m googling Hubert Sumlin. I know he is blues but I'd like details and Also I will google Carol Kaye. I don't know her much at all.
My Special categories are subject to change. That's it for Now.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 03:40am

Post Super Bowl Notes

Eminem, Dr. Dre, Snoop, Mary J, and Kendrick's performance is making loads of headlines and earning high praise

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/feb/13/dr-dre-snoop-dogg-eminem-kendrick-lamar-and-mary-j-bliges-half-time-show-an-all-timer

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/56th-superbowl-halftime-show-1.6350476

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/amberjamieson/2022-super-bowl-halftime-show-snoop-dre-eminem-mary

with Em himself being singled out by loads for taking a knee

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nfl/article/eminem-takes-knee-super-bowl-halftime-show-apparent-tribute-kaepernick/

I feel like this should pretty much lock everything down for his nomination


Also worth noting Dolly had a Super Bowl ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1SrxZ07Ak

And a Judas Priest song was covered in a Super Bowl ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwt4rzmVxY&t=11s


Side notes for other nominees

Duran Duran have issued a delux edition of their last album https://music.mxdwn.com/2022/02/13/news/duran-duran-release-deluxe-version-of-future-past-featuring-three-new-tracks-velvet-newton-invocation-and-laughing-boy/

Lionel Richie is on the cover of People https://people.com/music/lionel-richie-becoming-legend-despite-critics-who-questioned-his-blackness/

There's going to be a Dionne Warwick doc on CNN+ very soon https://americansongwriter.com/dionne-warwick-documentary-streaming-on-cnn-this-spring/

Devo are doing a mini-tour in May https://www.brooklynvegan.com/tour-news-thrice-devo-bib-don-broco-snow-tha-product-more/

Posted by Mat R on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 09:20am

That was a pretty cool show. I'd love to see Snoop get a nom one day...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 15:02pm

K-Dawg,

Here's my prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year and I think that it'll be an all-white class this year):

Beck
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon

Spoilers: Dionne Warwick (If we get a Black inductee this year, it'll be her and not Lionel Richie), Rage Against The Machine

I think you're way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, and totally needs to be in the Rock Hall no doubt in some capacity, but I just don't see it this year, He doesn't have any critical acclaim and He might be a little too AC for even this Voting Committee, plus he will split votes with Dionne Warwick as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists, and I also think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I just think that it might be a tad too AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), If Dionne Warwick (who's also nominated this year), couldn't get in last year because she might have been deemed a little too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee, then I highly doubt that Lionel will this year despite his legendary status. I thnk that he's likely to be more like Sting and Steve Winwood when they got nominated more than Stevie Nicks.

I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing. I think that Priest misses out again this year despite having no clear competition this time around.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/14/2022 @ 15:22pm

K-Dawg

Agreed Snoop should go in. I'm wonder if they're hesitant to put him (or DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, who also are quite important) forward right now cause he's kind of this camp icon (in the case of DJJJatFP Will Smith being an actor) first and a revolutionary rapper second, sort of like how LL Cool J might have been seen as an actor first and a revolutionary rapper second.

I have a feeling Snoop will be on a ballot once of twice in the next 3-5 years and get Musical Excellence by 2030 in a kind of sped up version of LL. DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince maybe Early Influence (they broke a lot of ground and kind of birthed horrorcore) but I can't see them inducting Will if they haven't inducted Cher.

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 01:04am

Jordan,
You have a very fine list of Special categories. Today perhaps I will check out Hubert Sumlin. I have vaguely know the name. Yet I love the Blues. I love Buddy Guy/ Buddy is great. I love John Lee Hooker as well. There is others like Albert King I say are terrific. But I don't think I've heard Hubert Sumlin. I just know the name. At this point any Earlier Blues musicians left for recognition would have to be inducted as Early Influence. I will check out Hubert Sumlin.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 04:24am

With Eminem's performance at the Superbowl, it's safe to say that by November this year that he would not only become an inductee but will also headline the ceremony. Heck let's have Elton John induct him & the performance would be like the one at the big game.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 06:42am

K-Dawg, thought that was about the best SB Halftime show I've ever seen & I've seen alot of them.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 06:43am

Richie,

If Judas Priest doesn't get the charm then it's likely that they'll eventually be inducted under one of the special categories: Early Influence instead of performer even though it might be a wrong direction for them to get it since they're also popular too. Let's remember that both Iron Maiden & Motorhead were only nominated once so it might finally work for JP. What i also like to point out that last year there are no british acts inducted so we might see 2 this year with Priest & Duran Duran or as you said DD or Eurythmics.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 07:21am

Jordan Einstein

I'm curious if that half-time show causes them to use a side category to induct a second rapper to hype up the ceremony. Like probably not Tribe cause it's their first time on the ballot but maybe a Boogie Down Productions/KRS-One as Early Influence or Eric B. & Rakim as Musical Excellence or Sean Combs for the Ahmet Ertegun Award.

Given his love of old school and deep respect for both Rakim and KRS-One Eminem would probably love to have one of them join him for a song at the show, creating this hype moment, while Sean Combs would be a big deal in hip hop circles cause it would essentially be seen as squashing a 20 year beef between two mega giants.

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 08:29am

Here's my updated prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think you guys are way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, and totally needs to be in the Rock Hall no doubt in some capacity, but I just don't see it this year, He doesn't have any critical acclaim and He might be a little too AC for even this Voting Committee, plus he will split votes with Dionne Warwick as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists and I think that Dionne is more likely to get in this year than Lionel, and I also think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I just think that it might be a tad AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), If Dionne Warwick (who's also nominated this year) couldn't get in last year because she might have been deemed a little too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee, then I highly doubt that Lionel will this year despite his legendary status. I think that he's likely to be more like Sting and Steve Winwood when they got nominated more than Stevie Nicks.

I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing. I think that Priest misses out again this year despite having no clear competition this time around.

The other acts that are nominated this year (New York Dolls, Devo, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, MC5 and Fela Kuti) have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 11:38am

Richie,

Lionel Richie will go in for one simple reason, I feel. He satisfies the RRHOF's void of him not being in it, and it gives them an excuse to ignore the Commodores, the way they have the Spinners, Meters, Ohio Players and Kool and the Gang for the past 20 years because they are so anxious to close the book on the 70s and get to the 80s, 90s and very soon 2000s acts that are the most popular to give them the increased younger traffic their exhibit needs to keep moving on. I am not a boomer, and while I hate generational labels as I consider myself an open thinker to all eras, the traditional boomer crowd are aging out, and dying out, of the target demographics. Much as the 50s haven't seen any new inductees in years and the 60s are all but forgotten (including the infinitely deserving Monkees), the 70s now become the next decade they want to close the door on. While there are some 70s proper acts on this ballot, and a couple 60s, some are also-rans looking for a side door, but apart from those couple, from Dolly to Dionne to Judas Priest, these acts were well-known in the 80s and beyond. The 70s rock acts, as we discussed in detail, have largely been picked dry, and while there are major snubs even non-purist rock fans (Foreigner, Bad Company and Boston to name a few) feel belong, the rock bands are now into the 80s and 90s. In a phrase, the Hall is trying to modernize for the younger fans while trying to put a Bandaid over what's left of the 70s. It''s not universally true, but look at the list.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 15:46pm

Duran Duran has overtaken Eminem!

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 15:54pm

K-Dawg,

but you're wrong about Lionel Richie, I really just don't see it this year, I think that he would have a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, been nominated, I also think that there may be a bit of a backlash against Lionel being inducted. Don't really understand why The Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with The Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some may have been huge hits, were average in quality at best. And it's possible that if he can't get in solo, next year the Nominating Committee puts up The Commodores instead, because I feel that they would have a better shot of getting in than Lionel on his own.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 16:14pm

Richie and K-Dawg

I was thinking Lionel Richie would miss this year but honestly he's clearly campaigning hard (a People magazine cover almost right out of the gate) and this is coming right after he won the Gershwin Prize from Library of Congress. I'm thinking he's going to continue to be very public between now and the announcement date in May and with the Library of Congress putting on a high profile tribute concert to him on the 17th of May and Universal Publishing behind him I'm thinking there's going to be no way anyone can ignore him. I've kind of pumped him up big time since seeing that People cover.

1. Eminem
2. Dolly
4. Duran Duran (/1)
3. Dionne Warwick (/1)
5. Lionel Richie (/
ew)
6. Pat Benatar
if 7. Judas Priest (/1)
contenders: Beck (out of top 7), Eurythmics, Carly Simon

Early Influence: MC5
Musical Excellence: Kate Bush or Devo

Posted by mat R on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 21:41pm

Mat R,

I really hope that you're wrong about Lionel Richie, I just don't think he deserves induction on his own and especially not this year with more deserving names on the ballot like Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Dolly Parton, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick, I think that if he gets in, it should and will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 21:56pm

Ranking the 17 nominees from least to most progressive:

17. Eminem (hip hop) (Hell No!) (not prog)
16. Rage Against The Machine (rap metal, funk metal) No offense to Tom Morello. (no, not prog) (Not yet)
15. MC5 (Proto-punk) No offense to Wayne Kramer. (not prog) (No)
14. New York Dolls (proto-punk)(Buster Poindexter) (not prog) (No)
13. A Tribe Called Quest (rap, hip hop, progressive rap)- I prefer their work to Eminem's. (No, not yet)
12. Fela Kuti (afrobeat) - He is an important artist in Africa and possibly worldwide. (Not yet)
11. Dolly Parton (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and country) (Yes)
10. Dionne Warwick (singer extraordinaire, soul, pop) (maybe)
09. Beck (singer-songwriter, alternative rock, art pop) (prog adjacent) (maybe)
08. Pat Benatar (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, hard rock, pop) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
07. Lionel Richie (singer-songwriter extraordinaire, pop and soul) (prog adjacent) (Yes)
06. Devo (experimental music, post punk) -I know 'Whip It,' but nothing else. (prog adjacent) (Not yet)
05. Eurythmics (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
04. Carly Simon (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
03. Judas Priest (hard rock, heavy metal) (prog Metal, prog adjacent) (Yes, absolutely)
02. Kate Bush (singer-songwriter extraordinaire) (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)
01. Duran Duran (Prog) (Yes, absolutely)

Who I will vote for:

Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar will receive my vote each and every single time. My fifth choice will go to either Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, or Judas Priest (depending on what day it is).

The Rock Hall could certainly induct WIllie Nelson as an early influence at the same ceremony. They could also
Induct Link Wray as an early influence.


Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022 and why?

01. Duran Duran (cross-generational appeal)
02. Carly Simon (cross-generational appeal)
03. Pat Benatar (cross-generational appeal)
04. Lionel Richie (cross-generational appeal)
05. Eurythmics (cross-generational appeal)
06. Dolly Parton (cross-generational appeal)
07. Judas Priest (cross-generational appeal)

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick (cross-generational appeal)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 22:16pm

Mat R,

Here's my updated prediction on who I think will get inducted this year (I think that since there are 17 nominees this year, I think that there'll be 7 inductees this year):

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Carly Simon
Dionne Warwick

Spoilers: Beck, Rage Against The Machine

I think you're way overestimating Lionel Richie's chances for induction this year, Yes, he's beloved and has the huge name recognition and star power, and totally needs to be in the Rock Hall no doubt in some capacity, but I just don't see it this year, He doesn't have any critical acclaim and He might be a little too AC for even this Voting Committee, plus he will split votes with Dionne Warwick as they're both Black artists and Adult Contemporary/Pop artists and I think that Dionne is more likely to get in this year than Lionel, and I also think that voters will look at him and say, Boy, He really needs to be in with The Commodores more so than on his own, I just don't think that he's HOF worthy on his own, I feel that he should have been nominated with The Commodores instead of his solo career. I feel that there are other Male Pop Stars of that era that are more deserving of an induction than Lionel solo and should have been nominated like Phil Collins and George Michael. So for that reason, I just can't see him ever getting inducted on his own, I just think that it might be a tad too AC/Pop for the larger voting body's tastes (Sting is a prime example), If Dionne Warwick (who's also nominated this year), couldn't get in last year because she might have been deemed a little too Adult Contemporary/Pop for the Voting Committee, then I highly doubt that Lionel will this year despite his legendary status in the music industry. I think that he's likely to be more like Sting and Steve Winwood when they got nominated more than Stevie Nicks. I really just don't see it this year, I think that he would have had a better chance had The Commodores, not just Lionel on his own, got nominated, I also think that there may be a bit of a backlash against him being inducted. Don't really understand why The Commodores weren't nominated and inducted first, particularly as Lionel's best work was with The Commodores, and post-Commodores Lionel Richie songs, although some may have been huge hits, were average in quality at best. And it's possible that if he can't get in solo, next year the Nominating Committee puts up The Commodores instead, because I feel that they would have a better shot of getting in than Lionel on his own. I just don't think that he deserves induction on his own and especially not this year with more deserving names on the ballot like Beck, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Dolly Parton, Rage Against The Machine, Carly Simon and Dionne Warwick, I think that when he gets in, it should and will be with The Commodores, rather than on his own.

I also think that the Metal bias will continue and Judas Priest still won't get in despite having no real competition this year unlike the previous two times that they were nominated (2018 and 2020) and the three times a charm thing. I think that Priest misses out again this year despite having no clear competition this time around.

The other acts that are nominated this year (New York Dolls, Devo, A Tribe Called Quest, Kate Bush, MC5 and Fela Kuti) have little to no chance of getting in this year.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/15/2022 @ 23:10pm

Richie

I hope I'm wrong but while others (not counting Eminem) were reissuing random albums (Duran Duran), planning tour and festival dates (Devo, Rage, Beck), doing interviews with genre press (Dolly, Halford), and being quiet (Pat), Lionel Richie did a pictorial and interview with the biggest magazine in America.

It's actually a really good piece despite being fluffy and it very much feels like People magazine making his case for the Hall and highlights his nomination. I think if this sort of stuff keeps coming out about him in the mainstream, and it likely will with the Library of Congress giving him the Gershwin Prize and him having a special tribute being planned for PBS in May, I can very much see him getting in. He's got plenty of time to do interviews with Kelly Ripa and Ryan Seacrest or The Breakfast Club or The New Yorker (cause the dude literally has access to any avenue he wants) or pop up at Katy Perry's Vegas residency. Speaking of Perry and Seacrest, Lionel and them are on American Idol and the new season of that starts very soon so he's going to be in the public eye.

I think this is one area where no one outside of Eminem or Dolly can out do him and I think he's gonna go all in with a "for your consideration" campaign of sorts that no one else will do. Voters might reject it but I think this sort of thing is quite successful. Especially when Universal Publishing, Disney (American Idol is on ABC), Simon Fuller, and Lucian Grainge are backing you. He might fail but he seemingly has every thing politically possible in his favour.