Future Rock Legends

Four of the five that I regularly voted for have made it- yay. :-) Especially for Pat B./Neil G., Carly and Dolly.

Posted by JR on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:04am

Priest is finally in! (even if it is in ME but who gives a shit). Didn't see the special categories coming but then again who does. Very soild class. Can't wait to hear the Who Cares people react to this.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:10am

Holy crap i got jimmy Iovine sorta lol

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:10am

Lol rock the hall "values" carly simon more than joni mitchell

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:15am

Lol rock the hall "values" carly simon more than joni mitchell

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:15am

Joni Mitchell is already inducted!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:23am

BTW who y'all think does Jimmy Iovine? Eminem (would be interesting), Dre, Trent, Kendrick, Gaga? There's so many options

Jam and Lewis has to be Janet I think and Robinson should be Grand Master Flash but probably won't

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:31am

Well, ain't this a class…good and bad.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:31am

At long last we have the official announcement of the 2022 Inductees.
Five of my Seven predictions for Performers have made it.
They are Pat Benatar, Duran D, Eminem, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon
I sort of got Judas Priest correct but not as Performer. Priest is finally in. Ok they were put in Musical Excellence. So Heavy Metal is represented.
I got Rage Against TM totally wrong. Thats the only one Totally wrong.
I really thought Dolly Parton would be passed over due to her desire to turn down the chance.
Well there is IS

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:33am

THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

https://www.rockhall.com/2022inductees

Performers Category

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton
Lionel Richie
Carly Simon

Musical Excellence Category

Judas Priest
Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis

Non-Performers Category

Allen Grubman
Jimmy Iovine
Sylvia Robinson

Early Influence Category

Elizabeth Cotton
Harry Belafonte

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:41am

LOL Lol rock hall "values" carly simon more than joni mitchell

Mat r,
Joni Mitchell is already inducted, Joni Mitchell was induced in 1997!
I have followed RnR Hall of Fame a lot since 1993.
The 1997 Class:
Bee Gees
Buffalo Springfield
Crosby, Stills & Nash
Jackson Five
JONI MITCHELL
Rascals
Parliament/Funkadelic

Look it up you will see this is true. SO Joni Mitchell was inducted in 1997. I think she was at 1997 ceremony in person for Award. You probably didnt follow the Hall yet in 1997. And Now back to 2022 Inductees. I am rather pleased

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:42am

Roy and Ben

I'm making a joke cause people talk about nominations. Joni took 3 and Carly took 1

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 07:44am

So when our RockHall Projected project inducted Carly Simon, Cher, Diana Ross, Echo And The Bunnymen, Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine, Pet Shop Boys, The Pointer Sisters last year, Darin RG commented "I see that we decided on "conservative boomer grandma out for a Sunday drive" as the theme this year." That cracked me up at the time and kinda sums up how I feel about this class of performers (except for Eminem).

Individually, I'm OK with each inductee, but taken all together it feels very safe, which is not a good thing. Pat Benatar is the only performer inductee to not have a #1 song on Billboard's Hot 100, and she still had a few top tens. I think that's why they put Priest in as M.E. They needed something more with a little edge to it at the ceremony. Still, I'd have rather seen the MC5 in that slot and have Priest get back on the ballot next year.

I'm actually most excited about Harry Belafonte getting in. I think his induction was waaaayyyyyy overdue. I'm good with Jam & Lewis and Sylvia Robinson too. Much deserved. Jimmy Iovine...meh. I literally knew nothing about Elizabeth Cotten until I just looked her up. She seems like a worthy EI inductee. And maybe I'm dumb, but I don't get why Allen Grubman is here. He's a lawyer and has absolutely nothing to do with the creation or perpetualism of music.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:03am

My scattered thoughts:

As I've said in the past, the bigger the class, the better it is. So this is a pretty great list - no one undeserving, although it is a little upsetting that it seems that metal acts can't seem to get inducted unless by special committee. But I am glad that it's in Musical Excellence and that no performer nominees got in as an "Early Influence." ME is vague enough to mean anything, so I'm fine with its definition essentially meaning - special committee inductee, but EI is too specific and Kraftwerk's induction in that category really made me lose a lot of interest in the Hall. Keep the Influences category to either acts that predate rock, or maybe acts from genres that predate rock (country, blues, etc) and allow Musical Excellence to be that vague "get you in there" category. MC5 and New York Dolls getting in that way will feel less painful than getting in as an Influence.

The Rock Hall is firmly in the '80s, so I expect more upcoming classes to look similar, with a few scattering of '90s acts. RATM, Beck, and other '90s acts just may have to wait a little while longer.

Glad Lionel's in, as his solo career is worthy in my opinion, but let's not just forget about the Commodores. His Inductee page includes Commodore recordings under his essential music, which is discouraging, but that's a minor thing, so I'll keep my hope for them alive.

Happy for the ladies - nice to see more women inducted.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:09am

Michael W.

Yea I agree this is a safe class that's not overly interesting. Ceremony will be eh I guess. Very white too on the performers front which is a shame and makes me sad.

I also think it's safe to safe the Rolling Stone 500 albums is a bad metric to look at as 5 of the inductees had no albums on it. 6 if we count Priest

Posted by Mat R on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:10am

I dont know how I did it. Maybe my formula just worked this year. I predicted 7 correctly, counting priest. I had discounted dolly Parton, but she also made it. Congrats to a stacked year. Although Fela Kuti should've gotten early influence.

Additionally, congrats to Harry Belafonte! He is beyond deserving and still alive to appreciate it

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:11am

Here we go! My initial takeaways:

- 7 inductee class and 8 artists from the ballot getting in, that's exciting!

- this class of performers was a bit more on the predictable side, but that's what we get for making a hobby out of predicting these things lol. I'm happy though, it's a good class and the hall has knocked some pretty major snubs off of the list.

- I better not hear anyone complaining about Judas Priest getting musical excellence, because the distinction literally does not matter. They're in, and will get the same amount of focus at the ceremony as they would if they were inducted as performers.

- Harry Belafonte is a fun choice for Early Influence! I'm sure he's too old to perform, but maybe they will put together a nice little tribute for him.

- Surprised at no Chaka, but after looking at the list, it's hard to justify throwing in another headliner when you already have eight artists that are all likely to show up and perform. Next year will hopefully be her year.

- Rolling my eyes at Allen Grubman, but Jimmy Iovine, Sylvia Robinson, and Jam & Lewis are all great choices. Have literally never heard of Elizabeth Cotton, so I'll have to do some research.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:12am

My reaction to a lawyer getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F-2k_23yaA

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:21am

- I better not hear anyone complaining about Judas Priest getting musical excellence, because the distinction literally does not matter. They're in, and will get the same amount of focus at the ceremony as they would if they were inducted as performers.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:12am


Sorry pal, but I beat ya to the punch on that. I'll just add, that while it is great that they're in, it's a little disappointing because it points to a larger issue that the hall voters just seem to have a prejudice against metal. If an act with as big a legacy as Judas Priest needs special committee, what does that say for acts that are significant but aren't literally pillars of the genre?

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:21am

Steve Z and RG

I agree with Steve Z here. There's a problem with voters when this is the result. Judas Priest did everything voters should want to see from a campaign (interviews, high profile ad spots, an arena tour) and should have a resume voters like yet they couldn't get in. This is the second year in a row metal has had to go in via committee and it, along with Kraftwerk and Nile Rodgers, speak to massive issues with voters that good beyond just adding new voters.

I'm looking around and Priest fans seem happy but disappointed it had to be this way cause they feel the band wasn't respected at-large.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:30am

A Huge note of interest: This is the first time that all of the acts that finished in the top five of the fan vote have gotten in in the same year. Now, With Pat, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest and Dolly's inductions this year, Dave Matthews Band, Soundgarden, Iron Maiden and Fela Kuti are the only ones who have finished in the top five of the fan vote but still haven't gotten in yet.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:36am

Also I guess the 6 nominations and side category theory is bunk. Priest needed only 3.

Also anyone else surprised they went Musical Excellence with them rather than Early Influence?

I feel there's much to be discussed about that induction more so than any other

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 08:52am

Metal press (Loudwire) is upset. I'm getting the feeling this induction will go down like the Randy one last year with that community. A lot of confusion and annoyance.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:14am

New Mag 7 now:

Jane's Addiction
Soundgarden
Smashing Pumpkins
Joy Division/New Order
The Smiths
Iron Maiden
RATM

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:20am

You know what? If the voters are too stupid to vote pioneers like Judas Priest or Kraftwerk in, I don't mind using the Musical Excellence category for that from here on out. Use it for Link Wray next year.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:23am

Richie,

What are your thoughts on Lionel Richie getting inducted? Shocked, disappointed? You've been telling us that it was absolutely never going to happen since the nominations came out.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:29am

A few more thoughts:

Only two of the top 8 on the ballot tracker (Tribe, Benatar, Dionne, Priest, Fela, Duran, Devo, Bush) got voted in as performers. And Lionel, Carly and Dolly got in despite being in the bottom four on the tracker. It's an interesting experiment and I hope it comes back next year, but we clearly shouldn't read much into it at all.

The class ended up being very 80's-centric. Eminem obviously came later and a majority of Carly's success was in the 70's, but everyone else had a significant amount of success in the 80's. Even in the side categories, Priest and Jam & Lewis were major figures in the 80's.

I get why Priest went in via M.E., but I wish they'd give artists a bit more than 3 or 4 tries before side dooring them. Chic got 10 noms before Nile Rodgers was inducted. I'd like to see at least 5 or 6 noms before a side door induction. That's why I'd have preferred the MC5 to Priest for this year.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:33am

Michael W

I kept saying the ballot tracker was overly skewed with critics and press. I think for next year, who cares about the hall needs to try to talk with a few inductees to at least gage them. Not like a star but a random member of the cure or santana who might be game to chat with a random music podcast.

Ironically judas priest has a lot of members, who just got ballots, who like talking shit on podcasts

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:44am

I know it's really early, but who do you see being nominated next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:48am

A couple RG stats for you all, starting with geographical origin:

Carly Simon, Pat Benatar, and Harry Belafonte become the 46th, 47th, and 48th NYC Metro Area-based artists to be inducted.

Dolly Parton becomes the first inductee from the Knoxville, TN area, the ninth inductee from the state of Tennessee, and the first artist from the Appalachia region of the country to be inducted.

Duran Duran and Judas Priest become the fifth and sixth inductees based in Birmingham, England, after Traffic, Black Sabbath, Electric Light Orchestra, and The Moody Blues.

Eminem becomes the 14th Detroit-area artist inducted, and the first rapper not to come from New York or California.

Elizabeth Cotten becomes the first artist inducted from Chapel Hill, NC, and the second North Carolinian after The 5 Royales, from Winston-Salem.

Eurythmics become the 34th London-area artist to be inducted.

Jam & Lewis become the second Minneapolis artist inducted after Prince.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:53am

Oh, and Lionel Richie is the first Tuskegee, AL artists to be inducted, and the third from Alabama overall, after Hank Williams and Percy Sledge.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 09:55am

No Richie, we will not be looking at next year yet. We are still digesting this year. Give it at least until the weekend. The body is still warm.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 10:07am

Another bit of trivia: Harry Belafonte, at 95, is now the oldest living inductee, beating out Mo Ostin by about a month.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 10:09am

List master Richie,

Someone else asked so I'll echo it. What are your thoughts on Lionel Richie getting in? You were screaming from the rooftops every time someone mentioned him that he wouldn't get in.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 10:54am

This should be an interesting ceremony; eight of the inductees (all the Performers and Judas Priest) are presumably physically able to, and probably will want to perform. How long a ceremony will we have?

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 11:01am

As for acts that have the biggest beneficiary of the acts that got in this year, I think that Pat Benatar opens the door for Cyndi Lauper and The Bangles as far as 80's Female Rock acts and Bad Company, Boston, Foreigner, Jethro Tull and The Monkees as far as Classic Rock acts, Duran Duran and Eurythmics open the door for The B-52's and INXS, Eminem opens the door for Missy Elliott, OutKast, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg and Salt-N-Pepa, Judas Priest opens the door for Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy and Motley Crue, Dolly Parton opens the door for Willie Nelson and Patsy Cline, Lionel Richie opens the door for Phil Collins and George Michael and Carly Simon opens the door for Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson and Roberta Flack.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 11:12am

Also--for the trivia-minded, (among the performers) four women, which is probably a record (except for last year), no repeat inductions, and no posthumous inductions. For whatever that's worth.

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 11:15am

Ben:

Joni Mitchell did not attend her R&R HoF induction in 1997; from what I understand, at the time she had committed that time to a reunion with a daughter she gave up for adoption.

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 11:26am

One more bit of trivia (and please forgive the fractured English on my prior post): For at least four prior acts--the Righteous Brothers, Talking Heads, R.E.M. and The Cars--their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony was their last performance. Considering the age and sporadic appearances of several of the candidates--most notably Carly Simon--does anyone think the 2022 ceremony will add to that number?

Posted by Joe S. on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 11:37am

Richie

What are your thoughts on lionel?

Sort of agree but think you need to add billy idol and squire and bryan adams to your mix with duran duran and benatar

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 11:49am

RG, K-Dawg and Mat R,

Don't really care about Lionel, I'm just so happy that Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon are all finally in where they belong.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 11:55am

ALMOST EVERYONE I WANTED GOT IN!

I was hoping for:
Devo
Eurythmics
Pat Benatar
Dolly Parton
Judas Priest
Beck
Duran Duran
Kate Bush
Rage Against the Machine
New York Dolls

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 11:57am

Initial random thoughts:

Seems a little bit too safe of a group for me, although I don't think any of the inductees are unworthy. I'm especially happy to see Duran Duran and Eurythmics make it in. With Dave and Annie, the lack of discussion of Eurythmics on most forums made me think that one unpleasant surprise would be that they would not make the cut.

Nevertheless, the lack of surprises in the inductees bothers me for reasons that I'm finding hard to put into words. Maybe, it's the "safeness" of the selections while in the back of my head the feeling that rock and roll isn't SUPPOSED to be safe.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 12:06pm

Garrison, only half the acts you wanted got in. Sorry to be negative, but hopefully they'll all be in at some point.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 12:09pm

Richie

You were like militant that he was not going in that's why everyone wants to know.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 12:18pm

Garrus not Garrison DYAC

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 12:18pm

They have finally gotten around the 80s since half of the performer inductees made their names in the 80s especially when two of the inductees were new wave.

I'm guessing next year the nominees could compose of either of these 80s acts like New Order/Joy Division, The Smiths, INXS, Billy Idol, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, or Sting.

Posted by jay kay on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 12:22pm

I won't post my way too early predictions for awhile yet, but Joy Division/New Order immediately comes to mind as a nomination and probable inductee next year. Others at the top of my head could be Cyndi Lauper, Snoop Dogg, Iron Maiden, along with my personal snub disappointments Bad Company and the Monkees (which is getting worse every year). At some point, TLC or Salt n Pepa needs to crack the female hip hop barrier, and for crying out loud, put yhe Pumpkins on the ballot!!

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 12:56pm

Also, look for Trybe and Rage to be back next year. Maybe even Beck. And as far as MC5 and the New York Dolls go, nom com, either side door them or quit nominating them please!

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 13:00pm

Mat R and Richie,

Here's my thoughts on who opens for who:

Duran Duran- INXS

Eminem-A Tribe Called Quest or OutKast

Lionel Richie- Teddy Pendergrass or Luther Vandross

Dolly Parton- Willie Nelson

Eurthymics- Joy Division/New Order

Pat Benatar- Cyndi Lauper

Carly Simon- Warren Zevon or Harry Nilsson

That's all I have to say

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 13:08pm

Alright here's my thoughts & ratings on the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 inductees.

Performers

Pat Benatar: 6/10
I knew her induction was coming & it finally happened but that doesn't make her #1 this year.

Duran Duran: 8/10
All the hype DD getting is finally paid off now they're among the inductees & hopefully they might headline the ceremony.

Eminem: 10/10
The only newly eligible artist this year & I know for sure he'll be a lock. I hope his performance at the ceremony would be like at the Superbowl back in February with guests like Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Mary J. Blige & 50 Cent.

Eurythmics: 7/10
Never thought the duo would be inducted this year but the Hall mangaed to induct both new wave acts this year & maybe they might have a collaboration at the ceremony.

Dolly Parton: 9/10
Her influence on music is very large & her induction is a long time coming. Maybe we could see her perform with Eminem & other one that shall be mentioned in a min.

Lionel Richie: 6/10
Could have been inducted with the Commodores but it is what it is.

Carly Simon: 6/10
I never predicted Simon's induction this year but I think Carole King's honor last year certainly open the door for her consideration. She's worthy but isn't borderline like King.

Musical Excellence

Judas Priest: 8/10
Finally the icons will be joining the ranks of fellow Hall of Famers Black Sabbath & Deep Purple in the institution & hopefully the band & Parton would do a collab in November.

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis: N/A
I actually thought the team would be inducted under Ahmet Ertugun Award but AME doesn't sound bad.

Early Influence

Harry Belafonte: N/A
Now he's the oldest living person to be inducted, he certainly did have an impact on rock & roll.

Elizabeth Cotten: N/A
Just like Charley Patton, her induction is way overdue & it finally happened.

Ahmet Ertugun Award
They honored 3 recipients (Sylvia Robinson, Jimmy Iovine & Allen Grubman) in the category just like last year with Early Influence & AME, it just goes to show that the RRHOF blows the categories right out of the water with having 3.

Here's who I think might be the presenters at the ceremony.

Sheryl Crow - Pat Benatar

Mark Ronson - Duran Duran

Elton John - Eminem

Billie Ellish - Eurythmics

Carrie Underwood - Dolly Parton

Babyface - Lionel Richie

Alanis Morissette - Carly Simon

Tony Iommi - Judas Priest

Janet Jackson - Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

Chuck D - Harry Belafonte

Bob Weir - Elizabeth Cotten

Grandmaster Flash - Sylvia Robinson

Trent Reznor - Jimmy Iovine

Bono - Allen Grubman

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 13:10pm

Jordan Einstein and Michael W.,

Here is my rankings to the performers:

Eminem-S
Dolly Parton-A
Duran Duran-B
Eurthymics-B
Carly Simon-D
Lionel Richie-D
Pat Benatar-D

You agree or disagree?

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 13:43pm

I guess burner was wrong all along. Burner said Priest would be in as a performer.

Anyway, new class calls for update on living and dead members!

Nine (Grahame Edge, Norman Thrasher, Calvin Simon, Ronnie Spector, Don Wilson, Sam Lay, Taylor Hawkins, Art Rupe, and Andrew Woolfolk) have died since the ceremony.

Living Members of Each Class, 1986-2009 (except 2007, since in that case it's still easier to list the 4 dead members. If anyone thinks that it's easier to list the dead members of any of the other classes, let me know.)

1986: 1/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 9/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 14/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 22/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 19/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVie, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 14/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 15/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Glouster "Nat" Rogers, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Lars Ulrich, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson.)
2012: 28/70 (Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members, 2007, 2010-2021 (except 2012)

2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 19/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 16/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton)
2022: 25/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, and Elizabeth Cotten)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 13:53pm

They ceremonies have become much more unpredictable as far as how many songs any specific inductee will be given, but for guessing sake, I'll go with the traditional three song limit for each performer and based on that these are my guesses for the songs that may be played:
Pat Benatar: Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Love Is A Battlefield, We Belong
Duran Duran: Hungry Like A Wolg, Rio, The Reflex
Eminem: My Name Is, Love The Way You Lie, Lose Yourself
Eurythmics: Sweet Dreams Are Made Of This, Here Comes The Rain Again, Would I Lie To You
Dolly Parton: Coat Of Many Colors, 9 To 5, Jolene
Lionel Richie: Hello, Dancing On The Ceiling, All Night Long - I'll note as well that I think they may have Lionel headline the ceremony and if there is an all star segment they could use Brick House as a collaborative song
Carly Simon: That's The Way I Always Heard It Should Be, You're So Vain, Nobody Does It Better
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Musical Excellence I'm sure they'll let Judas Priest play. If they also get three songs: Living After Midnight, Breaking The Law, You've Got Another Thing Comin'
Jam & Lewis: they very well may do a medley of some of the many hits they've done. With writing credits on a remarkable 41 top ten hit songs, they are by far the hardest inductees this year to guess.
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I doubt very much they will have any performance for Elizabeth Cotten. If they did it likely would just be one song, "Freight Train", and perhaps Joan Baez could do the honors on it since she has covered the song in the past.

Harry Belafonte probably will not be able to perform, but hopefully would show up to accept. I don't see any signs of him touring since 2003, but he has done a handful of one off performances since then. Common, Sheila E, and Doug E Fresh performed at his 93rd B-day party at the Apollo in March of 2020 which gives an idea of some possible choices to perform a tribute to him. Zombie Jamboree, The Banana Boat Song, Jump In The Line, and Jamaica Farewell are all apt choices for tribute songs.

No performances for any of the Ahmet Ertegun award winners.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 14:16pm

Anyone else kind of feel bad for Wayne kramer of mc5 more than most everyone else who didn't get in? He seemed to be going so hard for this this year with a return to touring, the first mc5 album in 50 years, it being the 6th nomination, and his birthday just being days ago. Everyone seemed convinced of it happening via early influence and it just didn't.

Hope he wasn't building the album promotion around it and hope the hall just gives it to him next year.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 14:33pm

Pat Benatar- FINALLY! I was hoping for her to get in to add to the 80s female hard rockers (completing the essentials also)

Duran Duran- Acceptable, but I would've preferred Devo.

Eminem- Inevitable, but I would rather not have so many rappers.

Dolly Parton- Good. Now hopefully she will learn to be less humble and accept more honors like the Medal of Freedom.

Lionel Richie- He has a diamond album

Carly Simon- obligatory songwriter

Harry Belafonte- Came out of left field. Had to look him up. Oh. The Banana Boat guy. Also quite successful. A better choice than Fela for world music.

Tam & Lewis- Barely an artist, more of a nonperformer.

Judas Priest- YES! It's about time! Now, can we get Iron Maiden and the other glam era metal bands?

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 14:36pm

Shrek,
I think the song list that I think they will most likely play the songs except Duran Duran will most likely include Ordinary World over The Reflex or Rio.

Posted by jay kay on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 14:36pm

Joe S,

Joni Mitchell did not attend her R&R HoF induction in 1997. Ohh I did not remember that. I have followed the RnR Hall since 1993. But I did Not watch a Ceremony until 1999. I read a lot about the older ceremonies around the time of each. I've googled all of the Ceremonies in more recent times.But I forgot details for Joni Mitchell as far as 1997 Ceremony. I should google some of the older ones again. I am sketchy with actual appearances for the first 12 or 13 years of the hall.
mat r,
Also Richie was definitely militant about Lionel Richie Not getting in. Less than a week ago he made a direct comment to me too. I made up my mind not mention about Lionel R until after the announcement. It's safe now. Often those with aggressive comments during the nominee Phase calm down a lot after the announcement.
I was somewhat aggresive in a similar way several years ago with Electric Light Orchestra nominated before the Moody Blues. But then ELO was inducted in 2017 and I calmed down fast. I recall Enig aggessive about some nominees in the past. I forgot which ones bothered Enig. And so I am glad the whole Lionel R business with richie is done.

I will have my thoughts & ratings on the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 inductees in the near future. The class is Not too bad. I will have to think over how the order of the ceremony will be.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 14:38pm

Also cause we're picking dream ceremony stuff. Who inducts each. Didn't do early influence or non performer

Eminem - Tyler, The Creator
Pat Benatar - Shirley Manson
Duran Duran - Brandon Flowers
Lionel Richie - Darius Rucker
Carly Simon - Carly Rae Jepsen
Eurythmics - Sting
Dolly Parton - Shania Twain

Jam and Lewis - Usher
Judas Priest - Lzzy Hale

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 14:49pm

Garrus

How is Belafonte a better choice for World Music than Fela? He's a freaking American. Not that Americans can't do it but the reason Fela was important was beyond genre.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 15:36pm

Mat R,

I know it's really early, but who do you see being nominated next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 16:06pm

Garrus - Jam and Lewis were both accomplished musicians before their monumental success as producers and songwriters. They often play on the records they produce, and as far as pure technical expertise, they can outplay just about anybody on this list in any musical style you want to throw at them. Musical Excellence is the perfect category for them.

Dislike your dismissal of Fela. It's purely ignorant really if you really investigate the existing HOF members that celebrate and were inspired by his music or the worldwide continued impact of Afrobeat. But Belafonte is absolutely a great pick for early influence. Hugely popular in the 50s and 60s when Calypso music was a popular style for folks building their own backyard tiki bars. Belafonte was an outstanding performer, but he was not really a major musical innovator at all; he was more the type of artist that was the commercially accessible and marketable face that popularized a musical style that was innovated by others.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 16:08pm

Dionne Warwick should have been inducted.

Posted by Chris on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 16:27pm

Also, the Top 5 in the fan vote but not in the Hall club has shrunk two members and gained no members:

Dave Matthews Band
Soundgarden
Iron Maiden
Fela Kuti

That's 4. I see side door inductions for the latter two, and Soundgarden could get in as a performer, but DMB doesn't really have a chance.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 16:47pm

Sorry for my ignorance.

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 17:02pm

I'm not so sure DMB has no chance just because he got passed over on the first try; since the majority of votes are still with Performers and Dave does has made a whole lot of friends in the industry that he has played with over the years and his band has a lot of respect from fellow musicians. I think a lot of those people just thought it was "too soon", maybe partly because he still regularly puts out new music that sells well and is embraced by his fans at concert tours. He's not yet really a legacy act but also not at the same level of slam dunk mainstream popular choice as somebody like Pearl Jam or Foo Fighters.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 17:57pm

And by the way, looks like Eurythmics are the ELO of these class.

Ever since ELO in 2017, the hall has inducted a group with a particularly well-regarded member. In Eurythmics, both members can qualify, Annie more so than Dave.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 18:24pm

MY NOMINEES FOR 23

Canned Heat
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Supertramp
Iron Maiden
Motley Crue
The B-52's
The Smiths
Styx
Steppenwolf
Joe Cocker
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Wings
The Jeff Beck Group
Huey Lewis and the News
Crazy Horse
Kansas
Dio
King Crimson
Soundgarden
Interpol

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 18:44pm

4 of the inductees (Lionel, Eminem, Carly and Annie Lennox) are Oscar winners. Harry Belfonte is a Jean Hersholt Award winner (Honorary Oscar) and Dolly is a 2x nominee (for 9 to 5 and Travelin' Thru).

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 18:45pm

Dave Stewart is definitely well regarded as a producer. But yes, Annie is an outright cultural icon and is well regarded for her powerful pipes.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 18:45pm

It is pretty striking how much of this class is still active and performing compared to previous classes. Of the major performers, pretty much all are still alive, and most actively tour in some form or other besides Belafonte and Simon. There's a very good chance that every Performer inductee + Priest is game for a performance, which is awesome. I think that's part of the reason why the side categories were heavier on industry folks this year is because with so many performances, having segments that are just a reel and a short speech will be absolutely necessary logistically for the number of stage setups they will need.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 18:50pm

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2022 next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 19:02pm

Ok, I understand what Jam & Lewis are now. They represent the sidemen element of AME that the category is preserving (I know it's a stretch, but it's the best I've got).

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 19:30pm

Every year it get's worse as far as it concerns the relevance with rock 'n' roll (hip hop, pop, country and other artists instead of rock artists), as well huge rock names who remain snubs.
Just to mention a few of them:

Jethro Tull
Nick Cave
Joe Cocker
Scorpions
Motorhead
Iron Maiden
Stranglers
Bryan Adams
Cranberries
Rainbow
Bad Company
J.J. Cale
Rory Gallagher
Uriah Heep
Canned Heat
Ten Years After
Supertramp
Gary Moore
Thin Lizzy
New York Dolls
Smiths
Rage against the machine
INXS
Madness
Joy Division
Marianne Faithfull
Them
Bonnie Tyler
Tracy Chapman
Violent Femmes

And someones who are inducted as members of bands but would deserve to be inducted also as solo artists:
Iggy Pop
Sting
Phil Collins
and perhaps also Mick Jagger

I could mention dozens of others.

But it's normal when Future Rock Legends also has it's own snubs, (despite having a list of more than 4800 names not inducted).

Just to mention a few FRL snubs (and essential songs) :

1. Black (Wonderful Life, Everything Is Coming Up Roses)
2. Cockney Rebel (Hideaway, Sebastian, Make me smile)
3. David McWilliams (The days of Pearly Spencer)
4. Edgar Broughton Band (Evening over rooftops)
5. Equals (Baby come back)
6. Johnny and the Hurricanes (Red river rock)
7. Kula Shaker (Hush)
8. Marc Almond (Something's gotten hold of my heart , The days of Pearly Spencer)
9. Maggie Reilly (Moonlight shadow)
10. Pavlov's dog (Julia, Late November)
11. Peter Green (Slabo day)
12. Sniff'n' the tears (Driver's seat)
13. Stories (Brother Louie)
14. Tanita Tikaram (Twist in my sobriety)
15. Tony Joe White (Polk Salad Annie)
16. Walkabouts (The light will stay on)

Posted by Jethro Skynyrd on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 19:30pm

The biggest beneficiaries would be more 80s act getting in. Before people were complaining about the backlog of 80s act that need to get in and inducted. I think like for the last 10 years the backlog of 70s musicians getting in created a long line of 80s artist. I expect to see 80s new wave/post punk acts and 80s huge solo artists getting nominated the next 5 years.

New Order, INXS, Billy Idol, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Bryan Adams, Sting, The Smiths, B-52s, Pet shop Boys, Motley Crue

Posted by jay f k on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 19:43pm

Richie

Return nominees i think beck, mc5 (cause new album), and maybe devo (cause ohio). Beyond them i think it'll be kind of conservative depending on how this year goes press (the reaction has been more mixed than most expected i think, kind if poptimist fail) and viewership wise.

I think will see them do more big name rock acts.

With Bon Jovi, Duran Duran, and Pat Benatar now in I wanna say Bryan Adams is the next logical MTV arena rocker (he's a bigger name than the Billys and I think the Hall isn't ready for like Huey Lewis or INXS cause of their New Wave links). He had staying power and the hits.

MTV will also be repped with a new wave nominee probably New Order and Joy Division but don't count out B52s.

I don't think they'll do a grunge or grunge related act agian cause of the struggles with them but i do think they'll try Dave Matthes Band again and will give Britpop a try with Oasis.

Pop is hard not to see cher, Cyndi, george michael, or Mariah. I think they'll do one of those 4 cause this year was too pop dominant.

There was a lot of failure this year diversity wise. 1 black person was inducted as a performer and i think they'll try to do better than that next year because i think there's gonna be largely silence from black media this year especially cause some (bet, ebony) were excited by Dionne. I suspect a populist group (which Tribe kinda weren't) will be nominated like maybe Wu-Tang, TLC, Destiny's Child, Kool and the Gang, or New Edition along with a few more safer solo stars like again Mariah or Missy or Diana Ross or Chaka Khan.

Not to mention latin artists, los lobos, miami sound machine seem possible as does daddy yankee believe it or not. Rage also looms.

I could see a very diverse ballot after this year with say half poc artists (up from less than a third this year) after how white this year's performers ended up being.

If i was guessing from upcoming projects i think Weird Al (also 80s mtv star) has a decent shot with that film. The trailer points out that he's had a hall of fame career in the first 10 seconds and i think it'll be very fun and highlight despite being a comedian he's also a very serious musician and artist. Roku is big enough user wise that it'll go viral and small enough content wise that it won't get lost.

The X factor is the border. It's open and the museum seems to want those Canadian tourist dollars (this week we have Toronto day at the Rock Hall cause Jays fans are in town). I would not be shocked of the museum reached out to the foundation and said "hey we want guests, we want those canadiam guests, we want their money, can ya help an alter boy out?" So in addition to adams could finally be a guess who or kd lang (she's well liked) or Nickelback (if they dared) joining him.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 20:15pm

I'd love to see Iron Maiden and The Smiths return to the ballot. And the Carpenters, Shangri-Las and Warren Zevon to debut.

My next five would be: Outkast, Joy Division/New Order, The Monkees, Willie Nelson, Dick Dale.

Further out, I'm also rooting for Mariah, Gram Parsons, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Oasis, Jethro Tull, Cher, Beck

Posted by Rorschach on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 20:59pm

Plebeian,

I would give Carly, Pat & Lionel at least C but the rest is solid.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 21:25pm

On the whole, this was a good class. Especially with Pat Benatar finally making it. Also Judas Priest and Duran Duran. Lionel Ritchie was too successful to be left out, with his huge solo career and his time with the Commodores. The eurythmics are deserving. And ultra- successful rappers like Eminem are shoe-ins. But I have one issue. And that's Dolly Parton. Now, I do like Country music. And I do know that Country, like R&B is one of the genres of music from which rock n roll emerged. And I have nothing against Ms. Parton. But my feeling is that only Country artists pre-1970s should be admitted to the Hall. Artists that should be considered earl rly influences, like Johnny Cash or Patsy Cline. Country music has its own prominent Hall of Fame, and I believe that's where those artists belong. There are more than enough rock, pop, and R&B artists who are deserving of entry but have been denied. I don't want to see these artists further hindered by placing country stars on the Rock Hall ballot who have their own Hall of Fame to aspire to. While I do realize that Dolly's pop crossover success is a factor regarding her induction, I don't think she should have gone in.—Mark

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 21:57pm

I know everyone is saying The Smiths but ummmmmm I kind of suspect a certain lead singer probably has a photo pinned to a board labeled "do not induct" alongside Ted Nugent, Courtney Love, Afrika Bambaataa, and the Monkees.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 21:58pm

Acts who should be in—-

Jethro Tull
The Spinners
Foreigner
Scorpions
Chubby Checker
Connie Francis
Stone Temple Pilots
Joe Cocker
Alice In Chains
Neil Sedaka
Soundgarden
Smashing Pumpkins
Bryan Adams
Emerson Lake and Palmer
Iron Maiden
The Guess Who

Just my humble opinion—Mark

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 22:16pm

Also The Cranberries and Boston

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 22:18pm

In my opinion Pat Benatar is the most deserving act being inducted this year. She was one the most important artists of the late 70s/ early 80s and had success at both album rock radio and Top 40. That she was denied entry for so long is clear evidence of the existence of brain damaged voters at the Hall. She made great music, had a great voice, and often rocked hard. Now, after so many years of the Hall's foolhardiness, she's finally in. As you can tell I'm a passionate Pat Benatar fan! The lady is one of my all time favorite performers.—Mark

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 22:31pm

Also, bravo for Judas Priest! These heavy metal legends had radio airplay, sold millions of albums, and were hugely influential. Long overdue.-Mark

Posted by MarkTesla on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 22:34pm

A KING salute to the 2022 RRHOF Class. Duran Duran finally inducted!!! A great day for Duran Duran fans. My sister was a Duran Duran fanatic in the 80's. She's very happy on the announcement. My FAV Duran Duran songs would be Notorious, Save A Prayer, Hungry Like The Wolf, Ordinary World. ENIG & I also championed their cause for many years. Thanks for social media and sites like Future Rock Legends who assist in giving a voice to many.

Excellent women Inductees with Annie Lennox, Carly Simon, Dolly Parton, Pat Benatar. Some of the most recognizable and important female vocalists in the last 50+ years. An A+ here. I thought Carly Simon might be squeezed out but glad she earned Induction. Nobody Does It Better is a Classic.

Credit to the RRHOF for inducting Judas Priest. They have been 1 of the biggest snubs in the last 5-10 years. Rob Halford has been very gracious and honored on Judas Priest's Nominations. I think that good spirit really helped this year. My FAV Judas Priest songs would be Breaking The Law and Turbo Lover.

I'm pleasantly surprised Eurythmics earned Induction. DEVO appears a good bet to be inducted next year. Harry Belafonte is someone I thought could earn a Special Award a few years ago. Glad he earned it this time. He must be in his 90's. Wonder how his health is now.

Some Quick 2022-2023 Nominees
1. The Bangles
2. DEVO
3. Alice In Chains
4. Lenny Kravitz
5. Foreigner
6. Bryan Adams
7. Kool & The Gang
8. Scorpions
9. Sheryl Crow
10. Smashing Pumpkins
11. Procol Harum
12. Salt N Pepa
13. Iron Maiden
14. A Tribe Called Quest
15. Bad Company
16. Cyndi Lauper
17. Megadeth
18. Motley Crue
19. Los Lobos
20. Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine
I'm probably missing several others. Congrats again to the 2022 RRHOF Class!!!!! KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 23:21pm

Which artists from this list, do I think will be inducted as performers in 2022?

01. Duran Duran
02. Carly Simon
03. Pat Benatar
04. Lionel Richie
05. Eurythmics
06. Dolly Parton
07. Judas Priest

If 8, either Beck or Dionne Warwick

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/5/2022 @ 04:26am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 23:28pm

ARTISTS I WANT
Styx
Supertramp
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Procol Harum
Asia
Toto
The Alan Parsons Project
Kansas

Big Brother and the Holding Company
Canned Heat
Johnny Winter
Joe Cocker
Lou Rawls
Johnny Rivers
Blood, Sweat, and Tears

Herman's Hermits

Steve Miller Band
The Patti Smith Group
The Belmonts
The Revolution
Crazy Horse
The Silver Bullet Band
Wings
The Jeff Beck Group

Huey Lewis and the News
Steve Winwood
Robert Palmer

Roxette
Quarterflash
Scandal
Jefferson Starship
Starship

Iron Maiden
Dio

Whitesnake
Poison
Dokken
Warrant
WASP
Great White
White Lion
Twisted Sister
Skid Row
Scorpions
Ratt

Interpol
The White Stripes
Phoenix

The B-52's
Devo
Oingo Boingo

Boston
Foreigner
Bad Company

The Smiths
Bauhaus
Joy Division
New Order
Siouxsie and the Banshees
The Sisters of Mercy

Alice in Chains
Stone Temple Pilots
The Smashing Pumpkins
Jane's Addiction
Violent Femmes

Black Flag
Dead Kennedys

Stray Cats
Donald Fagen
John Fogerty
The Marshall Tucker Band
Steppenwolf
Grand Funk Railroad

Jim Croce
Bread
Three Dog Night

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 23:52pm

Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Link Wray and His Wray Men

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 23:54pm

I give the class a B

A deduction for Eminem and choosing Duran Duran over Devo.

Otherwise a solid class.

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 01:18am

WHAT I WANT PART 2

The Mothers of Invention
The Wailers

Queensryche
Motley Crue

The Big Bopper
Chubby Checker
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats

Lita Ford

The Commodores
Kool and the Gang
War
Chic

The Marvelettes

Vanilla Fudge
Iron Butterfly

Jan and Dean

Poco
America

Billy Idol
Bryan Adams
Eddie Money
J. Geils Band
Foghat
Warren Zevon

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 01:33am

PART 3
The Guess Who

Big Bad Voodoo Daddy
Sublime
The Black Crowes
Hootie and the Blowfish
Alanis Morrisette

George Thorogood and the Destroyers
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
The Georgia Satellites
Molly Hatchet

The Diamonds

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 01:40am

With the 2022 inductees announced, I would like to discuss the nominees who didn't make the cut this year. Here are my thoughts on them & their chances in the future.

Beck: Well I know he's too soon to be inducted especially since acts like Radiohead, Pink Floyd, The Velvet Underground etc didn't even get in on their 1st try. He should at least wait a few more years to get inducted after the Hall at least try to get Smashing Pumpkins to receive the honor.

Kate Bush: As the say goes, the RRHOF has the tendency to induct acts who had more success in America & Kate Bush isn't one of them unfortunately. The only way to get her induction is through Musical Excellence.

Devo: Very innovative/influential band & they have some music that stood the test of time, but I would rather see them being inducted under AME since it seems to be the gateway for the ones that are problematic to be in as performers.

Fela Kuti: Very obscure artist to ever be nominated, he did shockingly well during the last year's fan vote but not so much this time & I actually predicted that this will be his final nomination as a performer before he likely goes in under one of the non - voting categories.

MC5: Unfortunately this might be very well indeed going to be their last nomination as they have 6 tries & failed to do so at every shot, I actually predicted that they will go in this year as Early Influencers but what happened? Maybe because Judas Priest got inducted under AME or is also because the 90's alt rock band (more on them at the moment) is still snubbed. With that said, hopefully they will be among the honorees next year if the Hall again decided to expand the category of Early Influence.

New York Dolls: It's only their 3rd nomination & haven't exhausted their tries unlike MC5 did. However just like them, they would eventually be inducted as Early Influencers given the fact that almost every single original member is gone now.

Rage Against the Machine: Initially I thought this is going to be their year but I ended up picking Judas Priest as prediction. I think Tom Morello is pushing Priest to be inducted thus is the reason, hopefully when they reached their 5th nomination I going to predict that this is their last one because it's getting tiring & it's creating a backlog for other 90's snubs.

A Tribe Called Quest: Well to be honest, I predicted that Tribe would be among the inductees this year over the likes of Lionel Richie & Carly Simon but for some reason I think those 2 were chosen because connections of last year's ceremony. With that being said, maybe next year would finally be their year since the ceremony I think is heading back to NYC.

Dionne Warwick: It's probably safe to say that Warwick would eventually be inducted under "Early Influence like MC5 since they have both reached past their 25 years of waiting & the 60's are done with so it's a possibility.

Alright these are my thoughts, hopefully some of them would make a return by next year.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 02:34am

I meant to say had instead of have on the MC5 statement but oh well.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 02:36am

Dionne Warwick should have been inducted. I was looking for her to inducted under early influence. I never saw Harry Belafonte coming. I was sure Dionne Warwick would go in as an Early Influence. Oh well. It is what it is.
But I have one issue. And that's Dolly Parton. Now, I do like Country music. And I do know that Country, like R&B is one of the genres of music from which rock n roll emerged. And I have nothing against Ms. Parton. But my feeling is that only Country artists of the 1950s and 60s should be admitted to the Hall. Johnny Cash was inducted way back in 1992. Country music has its own prominent Hall of Fame, and I believe that's where those artists belong. There are more than enough rock, pop, and R&B artists who are deserving of induction but have been snubbed. It could have been Devo or New York Dolls inducted. Or in fact Fela Kuti could have been inducted. to represent world music which has been influential on Rock. But lack of popularity must have caused those to lose out. The committee had its mind set on who is inducted in special categories. And now I will check out Elizabeth Cotten. Whom I don't think I any music from. I am not familiar with her much

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 04:29am

Why the hell are rappers who contribute nothing to rock and roll getting in on the first ballot yet someone like Dionne Warwick who has contributed so much over nearly 60 years may not get in during her lifetime?

Posted by Chris on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 04:31am

Plebeian,

Here are my rankings. I bumped Pat up one tier and dropped a few others down one. Still pretty close to what you had.

Eminem-S
Dolly Parton-B
Duran Duran-C (close to B, but not quite)
Eurthymics-C
Pat Benatar-C
Carly Simon-D
Lionel Richie-D

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 06:30am

Also, Judas Priest would be a C and Harry Belafonte would be a B for me if they were inducted as performers.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 06:42am

2022 Induction Announcement Lionel Richie Reaction: Full Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2NhIG5kFNs

2022 Induction Announcement Rob Halford of Judas Priest Reaction: Full Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxsXUaV2N0I

2022 Induction Announcement Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart of Eurythmics Reaction: Full Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhjfSXOIE48

2022 Induction Announcement Pat Benatar & Neil Giraldo Reaction: Full Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8AOFSTbLXg

2022 Inductee Carly Simon Announcement Reaction: Teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16JOtLDW0dg

2022 Inductee Lionel Richie Announcement Reaction: Teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3nf03D9ODU

2022 Inductees Pat Benatar & Neil Giraldo Announcement Reaction Social Clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kAUCVSafI4

2022 Inductee Eurythmics Announcement Reaction: Teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSrSFZiTqqA

2022 Inductee Rob Halford of Judas Priest Announcement: Teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1dEpAcXiI

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 08:34am

So now the Rock Hall won't allow people to comment on their latest videos - this is new stuff happening now. WOKE

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 08:38am

Roy

I mean they probably don't wanna read a bunch of "you call that rock n roll?" and "you're worthless and anti-rock" comments which is fair. Those comments are annoying, pretty useless, and sometimes racist (literally seen people this year complain about ebonics in relation to the class for some reason). Wanna complain go to facebook and comment there.

Less woke and more "i don't wanna deal with annoying shit"

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 09:50am

Alicia Keys is also eligible next year. Her first released song that I'm aware of was called Dah Dee Dah (Sexy Thing) which was released in 1997 on the Men in Black soundtrack.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 10:57am

FRL listings put Alicia Keys as eligible for 2027 class

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 11:37am

That song I meantioned in my previous comment makes her eligible next year. FRL's listing is not correct. Doubt she would get nominated that early though.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 11:52am

Nominating Committee member Amy Linden revealed the final vote standings for this year's class on her podcast and they are:

7. Dolly Parton
6. Carly Simon
5. Lionel Richie
4. Duran Duran
3. Pat Benatar
2. Eminem
1. Eurythmics

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 12:06pm

Told ya the burneraccount was fake but suprisingly Eurythmics being the one with the most ballot votes

Posted by jay kay on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 12:45pm

WAY too early 2023 predictions

OutKast: One of the nominators said he would nominate OutKast if Eminem was inducted. Highly acclaimed and millions of records sold.
George Michael: 80s megastar. Sold numerous albums.
Kate Bush: I will predict this until it happens. Please happen.
Destiny's Child: Adds an icon in Beyonce to the hall a few years early than if she went in solo. Also multiple number 1's.
Steve Winwood: More 80s popstars for the hall. Seems like a trend to me.
Dionne Warwick: The "boomer vote" prevails.
Soundgarden: One of these 90s bands will eventually break through.

Musical Excellence
One of Rage Against The Machine, Chaka Khan or MC5: Repeat nominees that aren't progressing in the main vote.
Timbaland: Biggest producer of the 21st century.

Early Influence
Big Mama Thornton: It finally seems that her influence on 50s rock is being recognized.
Link Wray: He's been nominated twice in the past. Seeing that these categories are done by the nom com, he is a likely candidate.

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 13:18pm

More Than A Feeling,

Tom Morello ain't gonna let that backdoor crap happen to him and his band as long as he is in the committee. That's just me, but who knows if they will try once more in the future. Though I guess it was a uphill climb for him just to get JP and they had to compromise. He ain't Grohl or Van Zandt (IMHO I miss having him) so maybe his influence is only ever so great. I will agree that Rage needs a serious break. Unless they make more music or some tragedy happens, they are just roadblock. Let other 90s rock stuff get a turn.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 13:37pm

Here Are The Inductees For The 2022 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame - NBC Today Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTXehgKkH7c

Dolly Parton: Earning The Right - MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7_jEPwMI80

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 13:52pm

Dolly Parton Is Officially Voted Into The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLOI17v2Ygc

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 13:55pm

Plebeian

100000% agree. Rage isn't gonna go in a side category and needs to take a break

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 14:13pm

Since burner said Priest and Pat would be proper inductees, I guess he was wrong. But the "doing seven because the 7th placer is well liked" does line up.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 14:29pm

Also, the Diamond album trend is continuing, with Eminem and Lionel Richie both having Diamond albums. The last class where none of the inductees had a Diamond album is 2013.

And once again, here's everyone with a Diamond album not in the Hall, for speculative purposes:

Garth Brooks (Double Live, No Fances, Ropin' The Wind, The Ultimate Hits, Self-Titled, The Hits, In Pieces, and The Chase.)
Hootie and The Blowfish (Cracked Rear View. The Best-Selling Debut Album of all time)
Shania Twain (Come on Over, The Woman in Me, and Up!)
Boston (Self-Titled)
Alanis Morisette (Jagged Little Pil)
Brittney Spears (... Baby One More Time and Oops..! I Did It Again)
Adele (21 and 25)
Meat Loaf (Bat Out of Hell)
Backstreet Boys (Millenium and Self-Titled)
The [Dixie] Chicks (Wide Open Spaces and Fly)
Boyz II Men (II)
Celine Dion (Falling Into You and Let's Talk About Love. The Titanic Soundtrack doesn't count because she only has one song on it; the rest of it is the film score that James Horner composed)
Jewel (Pieces of You)
Kenney G. (Breathless. LOL @ the idea of him getting in the Hall though)
Kenney Rogers (Greatest Hits)
Linkin Park (Hybrid Theory)
Matchbox Twenty (Yourself or Someone Like You)
Norah Jones (Come Away With Me)
Phil Collins (No Jacket Required)
TLC (CrazySexyCool)
Creed (Human Clay)
Kid Rock (Devil Without a Cause)
NSYNC (No String Attached and Self-Titled)
George Michael (Faith)
MC Hammer (Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em)
Lauryn Hill (The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill)
Mariah Carey (Daydream and Music Box)
Nelly (Country Grammar)
Nickelback (All The Right Reasons)
No Doubt (Tragic Kingdom)
Outkast (Speakerboxxx/The Love Below)
REO Speedwagon (Hi Infidelity)
Smashing Pumpkins (Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness)
Taylor Swift (Fearless)
Usher (Confessions)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 14:38pm

I think you guys are on point with RATM, they pretty much exhausted their chances & there's no way getting a backdoor induction just because. Now maybe for next year, we can see Smashing Pumpkins take their place in the nominations.

With Judas Priest being inducted through Musical Excellence, I could see other metal acts joining like Motorhead & Ronnie James Dio but not the same year.

The inductions of Duran Duran & Eurythmics is pretty much a sign for others like Joy Division/New Order & INXS to both be nominated also next year.

Lionel Richie's honor could be a door open for Diana Ross.

The only newly eligible act who has the most possibilities is Missy Elliott.

So my early predictions for 2023 would be:
Smashing Pumpkins
Diana Ross
Joy Division/New Order
Missy Elliott
INXS
Sheryl Crow
A Tribe Called Quest

Musical Excellence:
Ronnie James Dio
Fela Kuti

Early Influence:
MC5
New York Dolls

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Barrett Strong & Norman Whitfield

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 14:52pm

Jordan Einstein,

You won dude! That's the freakin' class next year! I know it's early but so spot on! Though Alanis is more likely than Sheryl.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 15:03pm

Mick Jagger will perform You're So Vain with Carly Simon.

Diana Ross will perform Endless Love with Lionel Richie.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 15:05pm

Dolly and Lionel in 2022....y'all think Kenny Rogers has a shot?

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 15:15pm

Plebeian,

I know it's really early, but who do you see being nominated for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 15:22pm

Jordan Einstein

One problem with your class......people hate Billy Corgan. If Rage and Soundgarden couldn't do it first try that guy, who again people hate, won't get in on his first try.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 15:33pm

Here are some early 2023 predictions.

Diana Ross
INXS
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
OutKast
Dionne Warwick
Kate Bush
Mary J. Blige
Iron Maiden
Fela Kuti
Devo
Smashing Pumpkins
Wu-Tang Clan

I don't see any of the newly eligibles being next year. That's all I got for now.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 15:40pm

I'm also going to add

Willie Nelson
Suzi Quatro
Cher
Motley Crue

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 15:51pm

Greg F,

Out of your early predictions for the 2023 nominees (Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Cher, Devo, INXS, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Fela Kuti, Cyndi Lauper, Motley Crue, Willie Nelson, OutKast, Suzi Quatro, Diana Ross, Smashing Pumpkins, Dionne Warwick and Wu-Tang Clan). Which ones do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 16:09pm

Alright my 2023 picks

Back for number 7
MC5

Back for number 4
Chaka Khan
Devo

Back for number 2
The Dave Matthews Band
Beck
Los Lobos

Debuts
Bryan Adams
Joy Division and New Order
The B52s
'Weird' Al Yankovich
Mariah Carey
Oasis
Kool and the Gang
Bad Company
Missy Elliott
Wu-Tang Clan

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 16:17pm

Mat R,

Out of your early predictions for the 2023 nominees (Bryan Adams, The B-52's, Bad Company, Beck, Mariah Carey, Dave Matthews Band, Devo, Missy Elliott, Chaka Khan, Joy Division/New Order, Kool & The Gang, Los Lobos, MC5, Oasis, Wu-Tang Clan and "Weird Al" Yankovic). Which ones do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 16:24pm

Richie

Add Tracey Chapman (she got cut off)

Inductees
-Devo
-Bad Company
-The B52s
-Mariah Carey
-Wu-Tang
-Tracey Chapman

Can't pick between Adams, Oasis, and Weird Al for 7

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 16:43pm

I'm going to put up my way too early predictions without explanations, but Richie, don't even think about asking me who I will have inducted yet

1. Bad Company
2. Cyndi Lauper
3. Smashing Pumpkins
4. A Trybe Called Quest
5. Beck
6. Rage Against the Machine
7. The Monkees
8. Snoop Dogg
9. Joy Division/New Order
10. The B52s
11. Foreigner
12. Salt N Pepa
13. Soundgarden
14. Iron Maiden
15. The Spinners
16. Tori Amos
17. Emerson Lake and Palmer
18. Chaka Khan

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 16:55pm

Diana Ross
Coolio
Jim Croce
The B-52's
Motley Crue
Lou Rawls
Boston
Sugarhill Gang
Joy Division
Interpol
Herman's Hermits
Soundgarden
Sublime
Kool and the Gang
Anthrax
Boston
Iron Maiden
Three Dog Night
Billy Idol
The Marvelettes

Posted by Garrus on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 20:36pm

Read Steven Hyden's article about the Hall's treatment on alt rock and wow very on point. The 90s got slammed HARD this year! Hope we go full force next time around in more alternative acts in that decade and a little indie in the 80s.

Richie,

Will start on it later. Been feeling a little sickly lately.

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 20:58pm

SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR CRITIQUES THE 2022 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-2022.html

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 21:16pm

Richie here's who would likely get in if my predictions were the actual ballot next year.

Cyndi Lauper
Diana Ross
INXS
OutKast
Willie Nelson
Wu-Tang Clan

If 7: Cher

What do you think?

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 21:37pm

With Carole King and Todd Rundgren getting inducted last year and now Carly Simon this year, Do you guys think that we'll see either the late Warren Zevon or the late Harry Nilsson as the 70's Singer-Songwriter pick next year?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 22:32pm

Richie

Maybe but it's projected as being in ohio and there's another singer songwriter, a bigger name and arguably more important one who had more hits and a more vital classic song, who happens to be from ohio: tracy chapman.

I think, despite eras, she's ahead of them in the lane and it being in ohio could seal it.

Posted by Mat R on Thursday, 05/5/2022 @ 22:49pm

Which acts do you think will replace the acts that got in this year for 2022 (Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon and Judas Priest) on the ballot next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 00:06am

Richie,

I think they'll go with cyndi Lauper and tori Amos instead

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 00:39am

Personally, I would have rather seen Judas Priest inducted as a performer, rather than given the award for Musical Excellence. Swap the positions of Judas Priest and Eminem and then I think that the categories-in my honest opinion, would have made a lot more sense. Rob Halford has long deserved induction into the Rock Hall and it is good to see another fellow Arizonan join the Rock Hall ranks. I am especially thrilled to finally see Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis get inducted for Musical Excellence; this is a well deserved honor for both of these fine gentlemen and songwriting titans. Of course, I will still argue that they should have been inducted alongside Janet Jackson in 2019.

Now, as far as my opinion of the remainder of the Rock Hall Class of 2022 is concerned- it is excellent. Every single well-deserving musical artist that I had predicted back in early February has now finally been inducted.

Please allow me to first discuss Duran Duran:

KING and Kirk Harrington- Congratulations to both of you, in particular, on the upcoming induction of Duran Duran. As both of you are extremely well-aware: I have been actively advocating for the induction of Duran Duran for over 9 consecutive years and (tacitly advocating for their induction for almost 7 additional years), ever since Rush had been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2013. Kirk, you finally have had your wish granted after nearly 13 consecutive years of campaigning on Duran Duran's behalf. KING- You have advocated for Duran Duran on behalf of your sister; I hope that she is happy. I would also like to thank Duran Duran's fan base and also the many aficionados of progressive rock for voting for Duran Duran on a daily basis and helping this to become a reality.

I would also like to personally thank the following people on this website:

Ben, Sue, Tina, Nick, Timothy Pernell, Craig, RifK, Michael W., Dv, Paul in KY, Kim Gallagher, K-Dawg, Philip, Oliver, Scott C., Tracy, Dezmond, Tyler Helt, some random guy and numerous others:

Thank you for advocating, believing in and supporting Duran Duran's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

I will have more to add later.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 08:55am

Predicatable is the right word for this class, but should be an acclaimed show with such respected oldies being inducted. Shout out to Jimmy and Terry, im really happy about their inclusion- musical excellence in the flesh I'll say.

I was confused that Lionel got in, especially over Dionne who I believe has a stronger resume but that's fine I guess- as long as they dont regulate her to EI in the upcoming years. Acts like her and Chaka have worked too hard and long to be sidelined for the artists they paved the way for.

As for the rest of the ladies, I'm very surprised by the Mariah proposals from a lot of you- it is an honor she is more than deserving of and especially with acts like Jay-Z and Em now in (who debuted much after her) and Destiny's Child and TLC and Mary J Blige being warmed up to for (re)considerations. If they cant agree on Mariah though, Diana Ross, Cher and even Missy Elliot would all be fair choices for the slot next year.

With Harry Belafonte being inducted via EI I wonder what the other crooners like Frank Sinatra, Barbra Streisand and Patsy Cline will be inducted in this space in the upcoming years.

Posted by ABJ on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 09:05am

Personally, I would have rather seen Judas Priest inducted as a performer, rather than given the award for Musical Excellence. Swap the positions of Judas Priest and Eminem and then I think that the categories-in my honest opinion, would have made a lot more sense. Rob Halford, along with the other members of Judas Priest have long deserved induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and it is good to see another fellow Arizonan join the Rock Hall ranks.

Otherwise, I am especially thrilled to finally see Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis get inducted for Musical Excellence; this is a well deserved honor for both of these fine gentlemen and songwriting titans. Of course, I will still argue that they should have been inducted alongside Janet Jackson in 2019.

Now, as far as my opinion of the remainder of the Rock Hall Class of 2022 is concerned- it is excellent. Every single well-deserving musical artist that I had predicted back in early February has now finally been inducted. By the way, those are:

1. Duran Duran
2. Carly Simon
3. Pat Benatar
4. Lionel Richie
5. Eurythmics
6. Dolly Parton
7. Judas Priest

Please allow me to first discuss Duran Duran:

KING and Kirk Harrington- Congratulations to both of you, in particular, on the upcoming induction of Duran Duran. As both of you are extremely well-aware: I have been actively advocating for the induction of Duran Duran for over 9 consecutive years (tacitly advocating for their induction for almost 7 additional years), ever since Rush had been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2013. Kirk, you finally have had your wish granted after nearly 13 consecutive years of campaigning on Duran Duran's behalf. KING- You have advocated for Duran Duran primarily on behalf of your sister; I hope that she is happy. I would also like to thank Duran Duran's immense fanbase and also the many aficionados of progressive rock for voting for Duran Duran on a daily basis and helping this to become a reality.

I would also like to personally thank the following people on this website:

Ben, Sue, Tina, Nick, Timothy Pernell, Craig, RifK, Michael W., Dv, Paul in KY, Kim Gallagher, K-Dawg, Philip, Oliver, Scott C., Tracy, Dezmond, Tyler Helt, some random guy and numerous others:

Thank you for advocating, believing in and supporting Duran Duran's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

I will have much more to add later on the Duran Duran page. That is enough for now.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 09:11am

With The Go-Go's getting inducted last year and now Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and Eurythmics this year, I feel very strongly that next year will finally be Cyndi Lauper's year, as well as it should be.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 09:47am

I'm going to list off all the acts that have finished in the top five of the fan vote in the 10 year-history of the fan vote and they are:

Rush
Deep Purple
Heart
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Albert King
Kiss
Nirvana
Yes
Hall & Oates
Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
Nine Inch Nails
Bill Withers
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Chicago
The Cars
Steve Miller
Journey
Electric Light Orchestra
Pearl Jam
Bon Jovi
The Moody Blues
Dire Straits
Judas Priest
Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies
The Cure
Dave Matthews Band
Pat Benatar
The Doobie Brothers
Soundgarden
Tina Turner
Fela Kuti
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Foo Fighters
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton

Out of all 41 acts that have finished in the top five of the fan vote in the 10-year history of the fan vote, 37 are now inducted and only 4 of them have still not been inducted yet and they are:

Dave Matthews Band
Soundgarden
Fela Kuti
Iron Maiden

What are your thoughts?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 10:14am

richie

could be. the only hold up is how pop they go. like this year is very pop and the overall reaction i think is shaping up more negatively than expected. next year they might limit those pop superstar nominees to allow more diverse collection of artists to go in. like if it's between her, cher, mariah, and george michael for a pop superstar slot, does she make the most sense? i would say no

also is she first in line as a female "rock" act, i say "rock" cause she is undeniably pop unlike benatar or the go-gos? And the answer there is kind of debatable cause suzi quatro and the runaways are probably in that line up, the bangles are as well, kim gordon of sonic youth and kim deal of pixies are on par with her influence wise, runaways remind us of lita ford, girlschool exists, melissa etheridge is quite important. you could also throw the b52s into this chat and don't forget kate bush is still out there. there's also the 90s with pj, liz, tori, alanis, bjork, courtney. i don't think is an avenue cyndi makes sense in despite her background as being a punky kid.

she's also kind of got a difficult reputation which could make things hard with some voters.

i think she's on the horizon, like very soon, as a pop superstar but it's a lane with cher and mariah and soon to be britney (but they'll make her wait like bastards they are). she's next 5 years i think unless she wins an oscar then it'll happen sooner.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 10:15am

Here are my thoughts on this year's class:

I am so happy to see Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Carly Simon and Judas Priest all get in this year, All of them are long overdue and should have been inducted years ago.

No surprise to see Eminem inducted in his first year of being eligible.

I'm very surprised that Lionel got in over Dionne, but it doesn't matter, because I think Dionne will be nominated again next year and she'll get in on her third try just like Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Lou Reed, Deep Purple, Yes, The Cars, Janet Jackson, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails, Todd Rundgren and now Judas Priest.

Judas Priest are this year's LL Cool J, IMO, but at least they're now finally in and that's all that matters.

So what does this mean for next year, I see Dionne Warwick being nominated again and she'll get in on her third straight nomination just like The Cars, The Zombies and Todd Rundgren, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eurythmics and Lionel Richie all getting in this year means we will see more big 80's acts getting nominated next year like Phil Collins, George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, The B-52's and INXS, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon both getting in this year means we will see Willie Nelson and either Warren Zevon or Harry Nilsson getting nominated next year, Pat Benatar getting in this year means we will see another big populist Classic Rock act like either Bad Company, Boston, Foreigner, Jethro Tull or The Monkees getting nominated next year, Judas Priest getting in this year means we will see Iron Maiden or maybe Motorhead or Thin Lizzy return to the ballot next year and Eminem getting in this year means we will see either OutKast or Missy Elliott getting nominated next year.

Those are my thoughts.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 10:47am

Judas Priest is this year's Kraftwerk, Richie. A group that should've been in for years as a performer and pioneer in its own genre, that got jokingly shunted into a side category instead of an outright nomination. LL got sent in with a group of rappers that are now well represented in the Hall. Kraftwerk, like Judas Priest, are far more deserving of a main nomination...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 11:14am

Richie

I don't know about Dolly meaning much for future inductees, especially after the controversy. I don't will see a country act every year going forward and maybe no ever again. Willie makes sense but it's hard to see it happening so soon. She's likely this years Miles.

They might also take a short break from metal and return to hard rock. I do think one of Bad Company, Boston, Foreigner, Thin Lizzy, or Jethro Tull will be nominated but won't be joined by Maiden or Motorhead.

The lack of rock bands that went in this year as performers I think has landed worse than expected. I think people want bands and Duran Duran aren't seen as rock enough to fulfil that need plus people saw Priest didn't get voted in. With that it's probably gonna result in a push to do bands that can get over the bump and fewer high profile solo acts.

People like seeing 5 people on a stage celebrating together and saying "this is what friendship is" more than they like seeing one person talking about themselves. It's why Best Picture goes last and why team sports are bigger than non-team sports, people like seeing a group of people celebrating together. Believe it or not, Trent Reznor delivering the speech for Nine Inch Nails on his own was seen as disappointing despite him basically being the sole member of Nine Inch Nails.

People also like the drama of a reunion. "Will the Gallagher brothers stand next to each other?" people love that shit.

So I don't know if we'll see a ton of solo acts as you've kind of suggested (there are a few bands there but most of the big, big names you've mentioned are solo).

Also a bit surprised you didn't touch on 90s rock. Beck and Rage didn't get it this year and Soundgarden and Jane's Addiction both didn't when they were nominated. As it stands now this is probably the richest pool of rock bands there is Dave Matthews Band, Weezer, Oasis, Blink-182, Alice in Chains, Blur, Hole, Smashing Pumpkins, Matchbox Twenty, Offspring, Faith No More, No Doubt, Veruca Salt, Pulp, Pavement, Living Colour, Wilco, Bad Religion, Stone Temple Pilots, Bikini Kill, Guided by Voices, Korn, Primal Scream, Tragically Hip, 311, Bush. This is undeniably the biggest pool of bands, with critical and commercial importance, the Hall could induct and it might be the time we start seeing 3 and 4 of these on the ballot instead of 10 random solo acts.

If the Hall wants more bands to counter the meh reaction they're getting they're gonna need to make the 90s the crutch they lean on cause, era aside, it was the bigger and more celebrated era than the 80s. 103 albums on the Rolling Stone Top 500 are 90s albums to the 80s 71.

Dionne I feel weird about. I think she might be done. She doesn't care and doesn't get it and I think the foundation might just want someone who does. If she goes in it's in a side category.

The 60s return I could see happening is MC5. I think they're a project some several people on the nomcom and they want it done right and the fact there's a new album with Wayne and Dennis made them hold off on Early Influence. If that new album gets good reviews, appears on like some year end lists, and maybe scores a Grammy nomination for Best Rock Song or something, I think they're going to be given #7.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 11:29am

K-Dawg,

Yeah, I forgot about Kraftwerk, but that aside, I'm so happy that Judas Priest is finally in where they belong and we can move on to other Metal acts getting nominated and inducted like Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy and Motley Crue, to name a few.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 11:29am

Nice thoughts Richie about this year's class.

However by next year, I don't even see Dionne Warwick having another nomination since the Hall is tending more focus on the acts who defined the 80's & 90's particularly the MTV generation rather than the 60's & 70's so the only way I could see her getting inducted is through Early Influence (that also goes for MC5, New York Dolls & Fela Kuti).

Acts you mentioned like Bad Company, Boston, Foreigner, The Monkees & Jethro Tull won't ever receive anything from the Hall based on what I've said about the Hall focusing on the modern decades (even though JT, Monkees & Foreigner are at least worthy) so maybe have some of them get a AME induction like Judas Priest.

The other metal band who might get AME is Motorhead, Iron Maiden will likely get another nomination & inducted as performers.

Missy Elliott is eligible next year so she's getting a nod.

Just my thoughts!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 11:30am

The New Wave acts that they seem to be inducting are either hugely popular or have name recognition like Talking Heads, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Police, The Pretenders, Blondie, The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, So for that reason, I think that next year will be the year for The B-52's and INXS, As much as I love Devo, Joy Division/New Order, The Smiths, Kate Bush, Pixies, Sonic Youth and The Replacements, None of them have had the huge commercial success and name recognition that The B-52's and INXS have had, so I truly expect next year to be the year for both The B-52's and INXS.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 12:07pm

Richie

Not totally true also INXS aren't New Wave in the traditional sense. They're largely seen as alt rock or arena rock and often compared to U2. I don't see them being given a New Wave lane but rather a Rock band lane which is trickier to get into.

And regarding B52s vs New Order/Joy Division....

Love Shack has 200m and Rock Lobster has 43m listens on Spotify while Blue Monday has 265m and Bizarre Love Triangle and Age of Consent have over 90m each and Love Will Tear Us Apart has 278m and Disorder has 122m. New Order/Joy Division are on par with INXS.

Not to mention everyone has seen that Joy Division t-shirt and New Order are the theme of British soccer.

I also don't get why Pixies, Sonic Youth, and the Replacements are mentioned cause they're not new wave but Pixies Where is My Mind is bigger now than anything anyone you mentioned that's not already in the hall has ever recorded.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 12:18pm

Richie, Mat R, Jordan Einstein, K-Dawg, etc.

Here are my flash in the pan predictions right now:

The 60s:
Dionne Warwick (3 Noms)

The 70s:
Thin Lizzy (2 Noms)
Willie Nelson (1 Nom)
New York Dolls (4 Noms)
Fela Kuti (4 Noms)

The 80s:
Iron Maiden (2 Noms; The Metalheads will do everything in their support to make sure they aren't sidelined like JP)
George Michael (1 Nom)
Cyndi Lauper (1 Nom)
INXS (1 Nom)
The B-52's (1 Nom)
Weird Al Yankovic (1 Nom, more wishful as IDK if the movie will be great or not)
The Replacements (2 Noms)

90s:
Soundgarden (2 Noms)
A Tribe Called Quest (2 Noms)
Sonic Youth (1 Nom)

2000s:
Missy Elliott (1 Nom)

The Class:
Willie Nelson
Missy Elliott
Soundgarden
Cyndi Lauper
Dionne Warwick
Thin Lizzy

Musical Excellence:
MC5
Steve Vai

Early Influence:
Mississippi John Hurt
Big Mama Thornton

Ahmet Ertegun Award:
Jim Marshall (photographer)
Tony Visconti (Producer)
Estelle Axton (Record Executive)

Your thoughts? Hope this satisfies all of you.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 12:19pm

Forgot to add NYD on Musical Excellence and Johnny Ace for Early Influence

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 12:21pm

My thought for the moment, as there's way too much to go through at the moment, but we will have time:

I saw that someone predicted Missy Elliott as a FYE/FYI, and while she's groundbreaking, she isn't the first femal hip hop artist. TLC, Salt N Pepa, En Vogue all paved her way, and even Mary J. Blige, who was nominated last year but not inducted, I can see being inducted before her. It doesn't make sense for Missy to get in next. I know the Hall leaped over 70s funk/R and B and most of metal, but in this case, I think they will follow proper chronological order...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 12:23pm

I think that this year shows that no 90's Rock act/band should be inducted before Soundgarden, They should and will be the next 90's Rock act/band inducted, They're the most mainstream act out of all of the 90's Rock acts/bands still waiting for induction, plus the fact that they're one of only 4 acts that have finished in the top five of the fan vote but still haven't been inducted yet (The others being Iron Maiden, Dave Matthews Band and Fela Kuti) bodes very well for them, so I think that Soundgarden should and will be the next 90's Rock act/band inducted, as well as they should be.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 13:00pm

Most to Least Excited About for the 2022 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

1. Harry Belafonte
2. Dolly Parton
3. Carly Simon
4. Duran Duran
5. Eurythmics
6. Eminem
7. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis
8. Lionel Richie
9. Pat Benatar
10. Judas Priest
11. Sylvia Robinson
12. Jimmy Iovine
13. Elizabeth Cotten
14. Allen Grubman

INDUCT THE COMMODORES!!!!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 13:53pm

K-Dawg

Missy isn't the first but she is the most important and highest regarded. Queen Latifah, Salt N Pepa, Lil Kim, Erykah Badu are all big but like Mary J. Blige I don't think they could get over that hump and I think Missy Elliot could, maybe not first year but definitely wouldn't take long, and I think she'd use the platformed offered to champion women in hip hop.

TLC are the interesting exception but you know the Hall has issues with RnB groups and people are iffy on vocal groups post 1970 so I don't know if they could get in before Missy.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 14:02pm

Plebeian,

Good predictions expect Dionne Warwick, Willie Nelson, Thin Lizzy & Fela Kuti (although he's been nominated twice). Here's my own predictions.

70s:
New York Dolls
Diana Ross
Slade

80s:
De La Soul
INXS
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
The Replacements

90's:
A Tribe Called Quest
Garth Brooks
Sheryl Crow
Lenny Kravitz
Soundgarden

00's:
Missy Elliott

Class of 2023:
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
INXS
Diana Ross
Soundgarden
A Tribe Called Quest

Early Influence:
Willie Nelson
Big Mama Thornton
Dionne Warwick

Musical Excellence:
MC5
New York Dolls
Lee "Scratch" Perry

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Barrett Strong & Norman Whitfield

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 14:38pm

Mat R
I think the reason why INXS gets lumped in with DD is because both bands have New Wave roots. INXS started out with new wave rock sound until Listen Like Thieves. Both bands feature poster boy lead singers and were Snyth guitar driven in the early 80s


As far as B52s getting lumped in with New Order is because New wave and post punk were played with modern rock stations in the 80s. People throw the term post punk term to distinguish themselves as a darker more mature new wave

Posted by jay kay on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 14:57pm

I'm gonna be honest but I don't get this fixation on INXS for 2023. The bands big but they've got a few negatives against them that I think hold them back

1) Being Australian. Hall is very American and Brit focused to a fault and there's only what 2 Australian acts in.
2) Being alternative rock rather than new wave. They're not just competing with 80s rock acts but also the 90s alternative boom
3) Dead lead singer which I think doesn't go over well for an 80s act. I don't think J.D. Fortune would do the ceremony with them unless he was also going in as well cause he seems to have a lot of issues with how the Farriss brother treated him
4) Reality TV, this could be nothing cause Flava Flav and Lionel Richie are in but you know Chaka Khan and Dionne Warwick aren't and I don't know how a band finding a singer via reality TV will go over with like Little Steven

Like they're general case is strong but these factors combined especially the lead singer factor (if that wasn't the case everything else would likely fall to the wayside I think but alas Michael Hutchence and J.D. Fortune has issues with them) make it hard to picture a nomination with when Bryan Adams, Billy Idol, Soundgarden, Billy Squier, Huey Lewis and the News, New Order/Joy Division, Beck, and Lenny Kravitz are all still out there. It could happen but it just feels unlikely right now.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 15:14pm

jay kay

I get why INXS are thrown in but it's not accurate to what they're best known for. Like no one think of the early synthy stuff with them or compares them to Duran Duran, they think of when they were duking it out with like U2 for the title of biggest rock band on the planet in the late 80s before shifting into being alternative rock favourites in the early 90s.

They werern't big until Listen Like Thieves too, they're whole new wave period is confined to like 1 or 2 songs on their greatest hits collection. It's weird how they're the expected "new wave" nominee for 2023

Also totally agree on why B52s and New Order is happening

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 15:23pm

also sorry for the triple but i forgot to mention this

i know know chris cornell of soundgarden is also dead but more recently active act and more acclaimed and influential act and he himself also had a celebrated solo career and second band with audioslave.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 15:30pm

Robert Hilburn was pushing for Dolly Parton, Kate Bush, Beck, Rage Against The Machine, Eminem

https://twitter.com/roberthilburn/status/1522623494336393217

Over-all 2022 class rating: C .

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 16:02pm

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2022 next year for 2023 and Which acts do you think will replace the acts that got in this year for 2022 (Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon and Judas Priest) on the ballot next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 18:58pm

About the 2022 Inductees, richie wrote:

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2022 next year for 2023 and Which acts do you think will replace the acts that got in this year for 2022 (Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon and Judas Priest) on the ballot next year for 2023?.

Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 18:58pm


Pat Benatar >>> Cyndi Lauper
Duran Duran >>> Joy Division / New Order, Tears For Fears
Eurythmics >>> The Pet Shop Boys, Wham!/George Michael
Judas Priest >>> Iron Maiden, Motorhead
Dolly Parton >>> Willie Nelson
Carly Simon >>> Judy Collins
Lionel Richie >>> Commodores
Eminem >>> "Weird Al" Yankovic

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 19:18pm

Pat Benatar = Cyndi Lauper, Suzi Quatro
Duran Duran = Joy Division/New Order, INXS
Eurythmics = B-52s, Pet Shop Boys, Devo
Judas Priest = Iron Maiden, Motörhead, Thin Lizzy
Dolly Parton = Willie Nelson, Loretta Lynn, Patsy Cline
Carly Simon = Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Jim Croce
Lionel Richie = Diana Ross, The Carpenters, Dionne Warwick
Eminem = OutKast, Wu-Tang Clan

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 19:40pm

Pat Benatar - Suzi Quatro, Cher, Liz Phair, Til Tuesday, Melissa Etheridge, Sheryl Crow

Duran Duran - New Order/Joy Division, Billy Idol, Pet Shop Boys, Tears for Fears

Eurythmics - Bjork, Kate Bush, B-52s, New Order/Joy Division, Pet Shop Boys, Sinead O'Connor

Judas Priest - Iron Maiden, Bad Company, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy, Soundgarden, Motley Crue

Dolly Parton - George Jones and Tammy Wynette, Conway Twitty, Willie Nelson, Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, The Chicks

Carly Simon - Tracy Chapman, Warren Zevon, Don McLean, Melissa Etheridge, Sheryl Crow

Lionel Richie - Diana Ross, The Carpenters, Roberta Flack, Dionne Warwick, Babyface, Michael Bolton

Eminem - ummmm 4 groups Group A) Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg + Group B) Outkast, Missy Elliott + Group C) Kid Rock, ICP + Group D) Eric B and Rakim, Ice T, KRS One

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 20:53pm

My thoughts on biggest beneficiaries? I approach this as road-clearing, largely.

Pat Benatar:

Foreigner, Styx, maybe Bad Company, Boston as well. Artists who all get considerable airplay on Classic Rock stations but aren't really critics' darlings.

Duran Duran:

Cyndi Lauper, Human League, 80s MTV artists plus INXS (pretty members who are nevertheless good musicians)

Eurythmics:

Kate Bush, New Order. Artists that every critic knows are deserving of induction but they haven't been inducted yet. Aggregately, the number of female performers inducted this year (along with the hall's wishes for gender diversity) probably make Cyndi Lauper a shoe-in for nomination and induction and increases Kate Bush's chances of at least being nominated again next year, if not inducted. Other than these two, what other critically acclaimed women are left? Bjork, maybe. Sheryl Crow? The Bangles would be considered as well but I think the relative shortness of their recording career and the lack of success of Susannah Hoff's solo career will hurt their chances.

Judas Priest:

I'm not sure their induction will help other metal acts as much as I would like. I was surprised that they didn't have the votes to get in. Of course Iron Maiden and Motorhead would benefit but I don't see the Rock Hall inducting either of those bands via the Musical Excellence pathway yet and I don't see whether either of them would likely have the votes, if JP didn't. Could Priest's induction help the Runaways get a nomination?

Dolly Parton:

Dolly's somewhat a one-of-a-kind. So is Willie Nelson. I personally really like them both a lot but don't really think either of them belong in the Rock Hall. But Willie will benefit. Maybe Glen Campbell, who's more of a crossover artist than Willie?

Carly Simon:

Will Carly's induction make it easier for other singer/songwriters or just female singer/songwriters? I think Cyndi Lauper benefits the most here. The two Harry's, Harry Chapin and Harry Nilsson, maybe less so. Probably doesn't benefit Prince Harry, but who knows? He probably has a better publicist than Chapin or Nilsson did.

Lionel Richie:

Lionel was the only inductee with substantial African heritage this year. Will his induction make it easier for R and B 70s groups or other later artists with African heritage? I see the deserving Spinners showing up on the ballot again, maybe the Gap Band or Ohio Players. I don't see the Commodores as a likely nomination next year. It would seem too much like a slap in the face for them to go in so soon after Lionel solo. Agree Dionne Warwicke might benefit too. Salt-n-Pepa as well.

Eminem:

Will clear the lane for other rap artists, even those stylistically dissimilar to MM. Outkast is going to be nominated and inducted next year, and so may Salt-n-Pepa.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 21:08pm

I notice that Sheryl Crow is getting more mentions for next year than Alanis… is this likely due to Crow's longevity? I'd imagine Alanis gets in at some point.

And, does Dolly perhaps open the door for Streisand as well (heavily influential female artist from another genre)?

Posted by Adam on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 21:34pm

Hi all:

I understand I did not immediately respond to the announcement of the new Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class. However, I had been diagnosed with coronavirus. Do not worry I am now better. In any matter, the RRHOF has managed to surprise us again while also tacitly acknowledging the importance of FRL and a number of podcasts and projects we have been doing. Indeed, the number of inductees has increased to 14 this year. My thoughts on the recent induction class are as follows:

Eminem: Quite possibly the most influential white hip-hop and rap artist of his era. And perhaps one of the better artists to really go personal on his travails and any road to recovery he would seek.

Duran Duran: the New Romantics who went beyond their initial stages to become pioneers in alt rock, Britpop, and retro nouveau ideals. As well, they are the rare breed of a teen idol band who could write, sing and play their own instruments.

Dolly Parton: one of the greatest of country crossover singers/songwriters. And in my opinion one of the most humane and philanthropic superstars. Highly influential.

Lionel Richie: A multifaceted singer and entertainer who has been a proven hit maker for close to 50 years now. And, like Dolly Parton, a Kennedy Center honoree well deserved of this long-awaited honor.

Eurythmics: finally, at last! Annie Lennox is one of the greatest voices and icons in rock music, and Dave Stewart one of the greatest of producer musicians. Maybe the few bestselling of the New Wave era.

Pat Benatar: a prototype of the hard rocking female singer and personality who doesn't take crap from anyone. Also turning out to be a highly eclectic and unique performer. Nice to see that Neil Giraldo will also be included.

Carly Simon: about damn time. The singer and songwriter of some of the best personal collection of songs to come out of the last 50 odd years and one of the more prominent chameleons in rock history.

Judas Priest: the first innovative New Wave of British Heavy Metal band and with Rob Halford a towering figure for defying LGBTQ stereotypes. Well deserving of the honors given.

Harry Belafonte: A bit of a surprise inductee, yet well deserving. Also, a Kennedy Center honoree with an impeccable civil and human rights record and even an impressive figure in film.

Sylvia Robinson: Though not alive to see this happen, Sylvia Robinson may just be the most significant African American female in bringing hip-hop and R&B to a wider audience. An impressive and singular life.

Jimmy Iovine: possibly the most significant record label owner/businessman of the last 30 years. Well respected and a good choice for an induction.

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis: the original New Jack Swing/Minneapolis sound masters. With some of the best songs to come out of the era.

Elizabeth Cotten: A leading figure in early era blues and Americana. Another figure from the early days of recording and collecting songs and performances.

Allen Grubman: An odd choice to have an entertainment rights attorney as an inductee. Yet, Allen Grubman does fit the qualifications.

So, the RRHOF is keeping with recent trends in clearing up logjams and inducting a wide array of artists and industry titans. I appreciate the effort and what the new leadership has given. As well, it looks like I got 6 out of my 7 predictions correct. I thought A Tribe Called Quest were going on by way of the most publicized votes prior to the announcement. Perhaps next year for them. There are others too that I will mention who I think has a chance at going in next year. The recent Rock Hall reconsideration project Nick Bambach helped to create certainly does expand the pallet of worthy candidates even further. This year is a good steppingstone towards expanding the idea of what is rock and roll. Which for me at the moment means recorded non-classical music of the last 130 years or so. Let me know if you feel differently or similar on this idea.

Hoping for a Priest reunion yet quite realistic,

Lax39

Posted by Lax39 on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 21:37pm

Adam

I think a mix of longevity, prolificness, style, and also being American. Crow is less influential than Morrissette but she's as big a name with a much much deeper catalog.

The Hall is annoyingly American and as there are only like 6 acts Canadians (Neil, Joni, Buffalo Springfield, Rush, The Band, Leonard Cohen) in I and I believe most agree they'll do American before a Canadian. Morrissette will probably be a part of the Canadian takeover that's gonna happen over the next 15 years (cause Drake, Biebs, Weeknd, Arcade Fire ain't gonna wait long)

Either way Crow and Morrissette will both go in probably in the next decade, Phair, Etheridge, and maybe McLachlan too

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 21:58pm

Personally, I would have rather seen Judas Priest inducted as a performer, rather than given the award for Musical Excellence. Swap the positions of Judas Priest and Eminem and then I think that the categories-in my honest opinion, would have made a lot more sense. Rob Halford, along with the other members of Judas Priest have long deserved induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and it is good to see another fellow Arizonan join the Rock Hall ranks.

Otherwise, I am especially thrilled to finally see Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis get inducted for Musical Excellence; this is a well deserved honor for both of these fine gentlemen and songwriting titans. Of course, I will still argue that they should have been inducted alongside Janet Jackson in 2019.

Now, as far as my opinion of the remainder of the Rock Hall Class of 2022 is concerned- it is excellent. Every single well-deserving musical artist that I had predicted back in early February has now finally been inducted. By the way, those are:

1. Duran Duran
2. Carly Simon
3. Pat Benatar
4. Lionel Richie
5. Eurythmics
6. Dolly Parton
7. Judas Priest

Please allow me to first discuss Duran Duran:

KING and Kirk Harrington- Congratulations to both of you, in particular, on the upcoming induction of Duran Duran. As both of you are extremely well-aware: I have been actively advocating for the induction of Duran Duran for over 9 consecutive years (tacitly advocating for their induction for almost 7 additional years), ever since Rush had been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2013. Kirk, you finally have had your wish granted after nearly 13 consecutive years of campaigning on Duran Duran's behalf. KING- You have advocated for Duran Duran primarily on behalf of your sister; I hope that she is happy. I would also like to thank Duran Duran's immense fanbase and also the many aficionados of progressive rock for voting for Duran Duran on a daily basis and helping this to become a reality.

I would also like to personally thank the following people on this website:

Ben, Sue, Tina, Nick, Timothy Pernell, Craig, RifK, Michael W., Dv, Paul in KY, Kim Gallagher, K-Dawg, Philip, Oliver, Scott C., Tracy, Dezmond, Tyler Helt, Eric Tompkins, some random guy and numerous others:

Thank you for advocating for, believing in and supporting Duran Duran's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

I will have much more to add later on the Duran Duran page. I think that previous statement is enough for now. Thank you.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05/6/2022 @ 23:09pm

MY WISHLIST

SAN FRANCISCO SOUND
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Steve Miller Band
Jefferson Starship
Tower of Power

EIGHTIES FEMALE HARD ROCKERS
Roxette
Scandal
Quarterflash
Starship
Lita Ford

BRITISH INVASION
Herman's Hermits

WOODSTOCK/MONTEREY
Joe Cocker
Canned Heat
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Johnny Winter
Johnny Rivers
Lou Rawls

GIRL GROUPS
The Marvelettes
The Shangri-Las

NEGLECTED BACKING GROUPS
The Silver Bullet Band
The Revolution
The Mothers of Invention
The Patti Smith Group
The Jeff Beck Group
Wings
Crazy Horse
The Belmonts

SURF ROCK
Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Link Wray and His Wray Men

PROGRESSIVE ROCK
Styx
Supertramp
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
King Crimson
The Alan Parsons Project
Queensryche
Procol Harum
Jethro Tull
Asia
Toto

HEARTLAND ROCK
Warren Zevon

ARENA ROCK
Boston
Bad Company
Foreigner
Manfred Mann's Earth Band

GLAM METAL
Whitesnake
Poison
Great White
Warrant
Dokken
White Lion
Slaughter
Tesla
Vixen
Twisted Sister
Skid Row
Motley Crue
Ratt
Scorpions
WASP

POWER METAL
Iron Maiden
Dio

LATE CLASSIC ROCK
George Thorogood and the Destroyers
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
John Fogerty
Don Henley
Glen Frey
Donald Fagen
The Georgia Satellites
Stray Cats

CLASSIC ALTERNATIVE
The Smiths
Devo
The B-52's
Echo and the Bunnymen
They Might Be Giants
The Fixx
The Psychedelic Furs
Dead Kennedys
New Order
Joy Division
Bauhaus

GRUNGE
Alice in Chains
The Stone Temple Pilots
Smashing Pumpkins
Soundgarden

THRASH
Anthrax
Slayer
Pantera
Megadeth

MODERN ROCK
Motorhead
Tool
Korn
Sublime
Hootie and the Blowfish
Alanis Morrissette
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy
Cherry Poppin Daddies
The Black Crowes
Counting Crows
Toad the Wet Sprocket
The Brian Setzer Orchestra
Southern Culture on the Skids
The Reverend Horton Heat
The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion

INDIE
Interpol
Phoenix
The White Stripes
Muse

EARLY ROCKERS
Chubby Checker
The Big Bopper
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats

FUNK
Rufus and Chaka Khan
Kool and the Gang
K.C. and the Sunshine Band

EIGHTIES BLUE-EYED SOUL
Huey Lewis and the News
Robert Palmer
Steve Winwood

RAP-ROCK
Rage Against the Machine
Tone-Loc

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 01:35am

Part 2

DOO WOP
The Diamonds

PSYCHEDELIC
Vanilla Fudge
Iron Butterfly
Steppenwolf

GARAGE
The Sonics

BLUES ROCK
Foghat
Grand Funk Railroad
James Gang
The Edgar Winter Group

SOUTHERN ROCK
The Marshall Tucker Band
Molly Hatchet

FOLK ROCK
Poco

SOFT ROCK
Three Dog Night
Bread

PROGRESSIVE ROCK CONTINUED
Kansas
Krokus
Europe

ARENA ROCK CONTINUED
Blue Oyster Cult
REO Speedwagon

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 02:09am

PART 3

ROOTS ROCK
Gov't Mule
Uncle Tupelo
The String Cheese Incident

SOUTHERN ROCK
Widespread Panic

BLUES ROCK
Kenny Wayne Shepherd
Lenny Kravitz

WOODSTOCK/MONTEREY
Mountain

PROGRESSIVE ROCK
Fish
Marillion

COUNTRY ROCK
Orleans

CLASSIC ALTERNATIVE
Morrissey
Pixies
Jane's Addiction

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 02:38am

Sheryl Crow and Ms Morrisette would certainly be appropriate as inductees for the Rock Hall. But good Lord, please no Barbra Streisand. I can see an artist getting in with some semblance of a connection to rock or R&B, not an MOR performer like her. Same goes for people like Frank Sinatra or Tony Bennet. They may be great artists in their own right, be they don't belong in the Rock Hall of Fame.While I'm not a fan of Rap music, at least it is a form of R&B, from which rock music emerged.

Posted by MarkTesla on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 10:15am

Matt r, I don't believe that any Rock Hall voter is going to have a bias against an act because they are Australian. Or Canadian or from any other country. I think what will certainly matter is the impact the performer had here in America. And INXS was a very successful band which did well with both pop and rock audiences in this country. If they fail to make the Hall, national origin won't be a factor. I certainly favor their induction.

Posted by MarkTesla on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 10:34am

richie, I am surprised that Eurythmics finished no. 1 in Hall voting. I would have expected it to be Eminem, Pat Benatar or Duran Duran. In my humble opinion, this is a pretty good class. With the exception of Dolly Parton. I have nothing against Country music but they have their own Hall of Fame. I consider it a travesty that it took Ms. Benatar so long to get in. Same with Judas Priest. And Chubby Checker, the Spinners, Jethro Tull, Foreigner, and the Guess Who are long overdue. Also Connie Francis and Neil Sedaka.

Posted by MarkTesla on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 10:50am

MarkTesla

I don't think a voter would but the nomcom and foundation are very american centric with their selections.

The big example i would point to is the guess who a big late 60s band (with a high number of big hits that still get airplay in the US, lots of influence, that also saw members being successful solo and in other bands) who have never been nominated while American groups with arguably weaker CVs have gone in. There are like 6 Canadians and 2 Australians who have gone in and those acts and the fact a band like the guess who haven't been nominated suggest that the bar is VERY high for non US or non UK acts.

Alanis i think has a bit of priority but Sheryl is also very big so i think they'll do her first.

INXS have a big disadvantage of not being able to perform while contemporaries and other big bands from America do and are often more often played in American media.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 10:57am

Mat R,

I'm going to list off all the acts that have finished in the top five of the fan vote since 2013 and they are:

Rush
Deep Purple
Heart
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Albert King
Kiss
Nirvana
Yes
Hall & Oates
Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
Nine Inch Nails
Bill Withers
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Chicago
The Cars
Steve Miller
Journey
Electric Light Orchestra
Pearl Jam
Bon Jovi
The Moody Blues
Dire Straits
Judas Priest
Def Leppard
Stevie Nicks
Todd Rundgren
The Zombies
The Cure
Dave Matthews Band
Pat Benatar
The Doobie Brothers
Soundgarden
Tina Turner
Fela Kuti
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Foo Fighters
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Dolly Parton

Out of all 41 acts that have finished in the top five of the fan vote in the 10-year history of the fan vote, 37 are now inducted and only 4 of them have still not been inducted yet and they are:

Dave Matthews Band
Soundgarden
Fela Kuti
Iron Maiden

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 11:07am

My 2023 nomination predictions:
A Tribe Called Quest
The B-52's
Bad Company
Bjork
The Carpenters
Cher
Devo
Herbie Hancock
INXS
Iron Maiden
Fela Kuti
Cyndi Lauper
Alanis Morissette
Rage Against The Machine
Salt N Pepa
Steve Winwood

If that was the ballot, I'd predict the inductees would be: The B-52's, Bad Company, Cher, Herbie Hancock, Cyndi Lauper, Steve Winwood

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 12:08pm

I recommend Cher or Diana Ross as their next female pop singer (a la Tina Turner, Whitney Houston, etc).

For rap, I recommend Coolio or the Sugarhill Gang.

For songwriters, I recommend Jim Croce or Gordon Lightfoot.

For major artists, I recommend Backstreet Boys or Britney Spears

For soul, I recommend Lou Rawls or The Marvelettes

For glam, I recommend the Dolls or the Tubes

Posted by Garrus on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 13:45pm

Out of the acts who didn't get in this year for 2022, Who do you think have the best chances at induction next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 15:11pm

Richie

Ummmm as a performer Devo but i think Beck and MC5 have a strong shot too at being back next year.

If the upcoming MC5 album is good they might have the best shot

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 15:14pm

I just remembered: This means that Alex's biggest snub is now The Smiths, if the original prospects list is to go by. They're also Nick's biggest snub. Unfortunately, political bias is keeping them out of the Hall.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 15:47pm

Follower

It's nit political bias that's gonna keep them out, Bryan Ferry has conservative views and he recently got in and Kate Bush keeps getting nominated and a lot of people believe she's similar as well. It's that morrissey is prone to saying or doing things that make inducting him in any way incredibly difficult kinda like nugent or kid rock.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 16:08pm

Today is May 7, 2022. The announcement of the 2022 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Class has now been firmly ensconced in History. I had not changed my list of inductees at all this time. I had stayed the course throughout this Nomination season. Overall, I think that this is a stellar class and with the exception of Eminem, I had voted for each of these deserving inductees. My only issue is the somewhat "back door" induction of Judas Priest, but if Rob Halford is okay with it, then who am I to argue against it?


It's good to see that Philip had finally given his list of the probable 2022 Rock Hall Inductees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's" Blog. I know that this had been really quite difficult for you. Thank you, Philip.

The fan vote poll and Rock Hall voters' tallies are now finally finished. I will reiterate that I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this entire decade. Therefore, here were my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for over 9 consecutive years. I am not going to mince words about this: Duran Duran definitely deserves to be inducted. If the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.' Thank you fan poll voters for voting for Duran Duran every day. Who may receive a nomination, as a result of Duran Duran's induction? (King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Procol Harum, Kansas, Supertramp, New Order, Men At Work, Human League, or possibly even Tears For Fears).

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also. Who may receive a nomination, due to Judas Priest's induction? (Motörhead, Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister, Dream Theater).

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it just feels right. A week ago, I had watched their most recent interview on CBS Sunday Morning on YouTube. Count them in, also. Who may receive a nomination due to Pat Benatar and Neil Giraldo's induction? (Foreigner, Bad Company, Styx, Boston).

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. Their studio albums: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" (1983), "Touch" (1983), "Be Yourself Tonight" (1985), "Revenge" (1986), "Savage" (1987), "We Two Are One" (1989), "Greatest Hits" (1991) and "Peace" (1999) show a great deal of variation in their style. The Rock Hall appears to also love the Eurythmics. Count them in. Who may receive a nomination due to Eurythmics induction? (The Bangles, The B-52s, INXS, Bjork)

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I've Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. If you want to check out how great Carly happens to be in concert, please watch her concert video "Carly Simon: Live from Martha's Vineyard," from 1987. Count her in. Who may receive a nomination due to Carly Simon's induction? (the late great Dan Fogelberg, Tracy Chapman, the late great Jim Croce, Tori Amos).

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Many music critics have stated that inducting Lionel Richie as a solo artist had been the right move. Yes, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022. Who may receive a nomination due to Lionel Richie's induction? (Sade, Kool & The Gang, Roberta Flack).

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. Who may be nominated as a result of Dolly Parton's induction? (Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, Kenny Rogers, Glen Campbell, k.d. Lang, Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, Clint Black and Martina McBride). As I had stated previously: once most of the major prog bands have been inducted, the Rock Hall will begin to focus on country).

I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on her songs, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be! Since Dionne had not been inducted this year, I think that there's a possibility that she will return to the Nominee's list again next year).

I am going to reiterate this once more: Under no circumstances whatsoever, should Dr. Dre ever be given an award for Musical Excellence, period! That would be a complete affront to anyone who has ever taken the time to absolutely master their musical instrument! No!!! It is good to see that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis had been given this award, instead).

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 19:12pm

Some KING Quick Thoughts
I wonder if the Nomination Committee will select Alice In Chains instead of Soundgarden 2022-2023. They have tried Soundgarden before and I think Rage Against The Machine has 4 kicks at the can already.

Motley Crue should benefit with artists and groups like Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Lionel Richie, and Pat Benatar inducted now. They were one of the most popular and successful 80's groups. It's perfect timing for them. B-52s, The Bangles, Bryan Adams, INXS, and Billy Idol also could benefit.

Diana Ross highlights an impressive group of artists who could become 2x Inductees. Don Henley, John Fogarty, Phil Collins, Robert Plant, Steve Winwood, Sting, etc.

Country Artists could be back in play after Dolly Parton's surprise nomination and now induction. Garth Brooks, Kenny Rogers, Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Gram Parsons & Emmylou Harris, Shania Twain, Kenny Chesney, etc could be considered in the next 5-10 years.

Judas Priest induction frees up a spot or two. Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Motorhead, Ozzy Osbourne, Queensryche, Scorpions etc will deserve some consideration.

I think the RRHOF wants to see DEVO inducted and they should be nominated again next year. A Tribe Called Quest should also return. They had a good amount of votes from the voters ballots shown. MC5 and New York Dolls most likely will earn Special Awards.

Who knows about the 1960's. I would love to see Procol Harum & The Sonics inducted. Either could earn a Special Award induction now. Same with Bread, The Association, The Grass Roots, The Guess Who, The Monkees, Tommy James, etc.

The smaller HOF classes in the 2000's was fortuitous as the RRHOF now will have a great backlog of quality music artists to choose from. The next 5-10 years classes should be very strong. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 19:14pm

Today is May 7, 2022. The announcement of the 2022 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Class has now been firmly ensconced in History. I had not changed my list of inductees at all this time. Instead, I had stayed the course throughout this Nomination season. Overall, I think that this is a stellar class and with the exception of Eminem, I had voted for each of these deserving inductees. My only issue is the somewhat "back door" induction of Judas Priest, but if Rob Halford and (the other members of Judas Priest) are okay with it, then who am I to argue against it? Perhaps, the Rock Hall needs to re- define that particular category?


It's good to see that Philip had finally given his list of the probable 2022 Rock Hall Inductees on his "Rock Hall Monitor's" Blog. I know that this had been really quite difficult for you. Thank you, Philip.

The fan vote poll and Rock Hall voters' tallies are now finally finished. I will reiterate that I think that the choices for induction into the Rock Hall's 2022 Performer Class have never been better during this entire decade, or possibly even since 2017. Therefore, here were my 6 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2022 Performer inductees:

Duran Duran- I have written rather extensively about this for over 9 consecutive years. I am not going to mince words about this: Duran Duran definitely deserves to be inducted. If the trend (which had temporarily been placed on hold) for the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and other major prog acts continues, then Duran Duran should be a shoo in. A major "prog" act has not been inducted since 2018 (The Moody Blues) and although Roxy Music, The Zombies and Depeche Mode had been previously inducted, Duran Duran also has the cachet that the prog fan base happens to really like and the fans seem to agree: Count them in. Now should Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson (formerly of Rush) have the honors of inducting Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes, John Taylor, Roger Taylor, Andy Taylor and Warren Cuccurullo into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame? I would say that the answer is definitely yes. Will they play: 'Ordinary World,' 'Rio' and 'Hungry Like The Wolf?' Probably. Personally, I would rather see them play: 'Ordinary World,' 'What Are The Chances?' and 'The Chauffeur.' Thank you fan poll voters for voting for Duran Duran every day. Who may receive a nomination, as a result of Duran Duran's induction? (King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Procol Harum, Kansas, Supertramp, Men At Work, Human League, or possibly even Tears For Fears).

Judas Priest- Heavy Metal (not unlike prog) has had a very difficult time of getting inducted, But wait, lo and behold, Judas Priest has received their third and perhaps most important nomination. Judas Priest has also incorporated prog into their music over the decades. Rob Halford may have chosen to live in my home state and Arizonan's tend to like to see other Arizonan's inducted, not unlike Stevie Nicks. Count them in, also. Who may receive a nomination, due to Judas Priest's induction? (Motörhead, Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister, Dream Theater).

Pat Benatar- yes, she and her husband Neil Giraldo are receiving their second nomination, but this time it just feels right. A week ago, I had watched their most recent interview on CBS Sunday Morning on YouTube. Count them in, also. Who may receive a nomination due to Pat Benatar and Neil Giraldo's induction? (Foreigner, Bad Company, Styx, Boston, Suzy Quatro).

Eurythmics- Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart also happen to appeal to the "prog" audience, even though their work is not nearly as complex. Still, their work happens to have orchestral overtones. It does not really matter that it isn't as complex. Their studio albums: "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)" (1983), "Touch" (1983), "Be Yourself Tonight" (1985), "Revenge" (1986), "Savage" (1987), "We Two Are One" (1989), "Greatest Hits" (1991) and "Peace" (1999) show a great deal of variation in their style. The Rock Hall appears to also love the Eurythmics. Count them in. Who may receive a nomination due to Eurythmics induction? (The Bangles, The B-52s, INXS, Bjork, New Order)

Carly Simon- She happens to be one of my favorite singer/songwriters of all time. Who doesn't love 'You're So Vain,' 'Anticipation,' 'Jesse,' 'Let The River Run','Coming Around Again,' 'You Belong To Me' and 'That's The Way I've Always Heard It Should Be' (to name just a few of her extraordinary songs)? Also, even though the late Marvin Hamlisch and Carole Bayer Sager wrote 'Nobody Does It Better,' it is still one of Carly Simon's best vocal performances. With last years induction of Carole King freshly on everybody's mind, it seems like it's finally Carly's time to enter the Rock Hall. If you want to check out how great Carly happens to be in concert, please watch her concert video "Carly Simon: Live from Martha's Vineyard," from 1987. Count her in. Who may receive a nomination due to Carly Simon's induction? (the late great Dan Fogelberg, the late great Jim Croce, Tracy Chapman, the late Warren Zevon, Kenny Loggins and possibly Tori Amos).

Lionel Richie- wow, The Commodores have not yet been inducted? Instead, a man who had written many songs for The Commodores, but has also had a hugely successful solo career and numerous accolades which also include: the Kennedy Center Honors, the prestigious Gershwin Prize, a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and an Academy award, in addition to four Grammy awards is up for nomination? Many music critics have stated that inducting Lionel Richie as a solo artist had been the right move. Yes, I am fairly certain that Lionel Richie is going to be inducted into the Rock Hall in 2022. Who may receive a nomination due to Lionel Richie's induction? (Sade, Kool & The Gang, Roberta Flack).

Regarding the Dolly Parton issue- I do not have a problem with Dolly Parton being inducted. Will she be is the ultimate question? If there are seven inductees, I think that she may be the seventh, but if for some reason they choose not to induct Dolly at this time (due to the Rock Hall actually honoring her request) ; then I think that Dionne Warwick would also be a great choice. Who may be nominated as a result of Dolly Parton's induction? (Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, Kenny Rogers, Glen Campbell, k.d. Lang, Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, Clint Black, Tim McGraw, Faith Hill, Martina McBride and the late great Patsy Cline). As I had stated previously: 'once most of the major prog bands have been inducted, the Rock Hall will then begin to focus on country.'

I have been familiar with Dionne Warwick's music since I was a small child, in fact I was raised on her songs, along with the music of the Carpenters. My late parents were aficionados of Dionne Warwick's musical repertoire. Just think of how great a duet between Lionel Richie and Dionne Warwick would be! Since Dionne had not been inducted this year, I think that there's a huge possibility that she will return to the Nominee's list again next year.

I am going to reiterate this once more: Under no circumstances whatsoever, should Dr. Dre ever be given an award for Musical Excellence, period! That would be a complete affront to anyone who has ever taken the time to absolutely master their musical instrument! No!!!

It is good to see that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis had been given this award, instead.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 20:14pm

I see the requests to stop posting long, repetitive, insignificant comments that don't contribute to the discussion have been promptly ignored ^

Posted by Hello on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 21:21pm

King

Alice in Chains is a weird one. They're a band that is definitely known but they're not a band you hear often on radio or in media but have done kind of outstanding on streaming services. They're a band that never appears on Rolling Stone or Pitchfork lists but have massive respect, perhaps the most of all the Grunge acts, in the metal press and community. They still tour heavily and release stuff regularly too.

I'm inclined to believe they're further up the metal lane moreso than the 90s alternative lane. After Maiden and Motorhead, it's kind of open with Crue, Slayer, Skid Row, Twisted Sister (yes they're contenders), Megadeth, Faith No More, Slipknot, and Korn all maybe vying for spots 3 and 4 and if Alice in Chains are part of the line I think they're maybe the most likely of all of those bands to be nominated in the future. Only problem is Maiden and Motorhead are also in that lane still.

Diana Ross is a highlight but there's a name missing from your list: Dr. Dre. I'd wager Eminem's induction pushes him way up the line of double inductees, maybe top 3. If Ross isn't up for it next year and Snoop Dogg is and Snoop Dogg goes in I think Dre is neck and neck with Ross because that's two of his proteges (3 if you count Tupac) in a very short period of time with 50 Cent coming up very soon as well. He's so big and so influential that he's totally belongs in the double crowd.

Totally agree with Devo, think they'll wait for Tribe. Am very very curious about MC5's future.

The 60s and even the 50s still have a lot left and no one talks about it. I think they need to add a 5th award (not singles) to reduce the load there. I'd say an International Rock Prize makes sense cause it at least could clear out non-US and maybe UK acts like Fela Kuti, Paul Anka, The Guess Who, Serge Gainsbourg, Lee Perry, Ravi Shankar, Can, and Nico. Still so much important stuff left: The Kingsmen, Chuck Willis, Procol Harum, Dionne Warwick, Steppenwolf , Monkees, Screamin Jay, Link Wray, Amboy Dukes, The Sonics, Jan and Dean, Dick Dale, The Marvelettes, Sonny and Cher. You just gonna induct Cher and leave the rest to AME or Early Influence and what you did with Singles?

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 21:46pm

Enig,

Do you know Reddit? That probably would be a good place for you to discuss all you want on the bands you love. We know you love your Rush, Moody Blues, etc. but it's rather annoying and frustrating you keep saying the same stuff over and over again. Does not help you keep posting long-winded post that go nowhere and for mobile users a nightmare to scroll through.

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 22:44pm

Let me just quickly say -- and I promise you, my friends, I DO MEAN QUICKLY -- that I'm not a big fan of Lionel Richie going in as a solo artist. However, I hope this opens the door for the following R&B performers:

Luther Vandross (Seriously, how is Luther still NOT in the Hall after all this time???)
Teddy Pendergrass (Either solo or with Harold Melvin & the Bluenotes)
Barry White
Kool & the Gang
Chic
Roberta Flack
Evelyn "Champagne" King
New Edition
The Gap Band
Freddie Jackson
Anita Baker
Mariah Carey
AND, last but definitely not least...

The Commodores (Obviously!)

Posted by Johnny on Saturday, 05/7/2022 @ 23:03pm

The 50s won't see another inductee the traditional way. The 60s have a few bands left, most notably the monkees and the guess who. The 70s will see some live still, but the 80s is where it's at now, and we've had a fair amount if them.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 01:05am

A quick thought. MC5 doing another album honestly helps them. If they get in via performers in 2023 it would break the mold on acts that are considered niche, but influential. IMO, they would also be one of "last" 60s act to inducted in the regular way and a nice send off for the beloved decade. Very inspiring that Kramer decided to make new music and said "Fine, I'll do it myself" on his bands constant showings in the ballot. Hope this band will finally see the respect in a new audience with the new album.

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 01:26am

K-dawg

I think the 50s could have one more performer with paul anka (i know checker is still kicking but he's more early 60s). Anka is like the last 50s pop star still kickin who isn't it. He wrote his own stuff, wrote for others, was a star, is still well known. If they put him on a ballot he'd probably get in despite being corny

Plebeian

That's what I've been saying and so many have been sleeping on. He's got an album and the first song sounds good. Dennis is playing on it, bob ezrin is producing, he's got an all star. That record, if it does well, might put mc5 over the hump.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 01:38am

There are a few 50s acts I would love to see get in. I love Screaming Jay Hawkins, but I could totally see him as an early influence. Likewise, Patsy Cline should be in. And, I'd love to see the Penguins get a little love, but it's doubtful. And what of Chubby Checker?

Sorry, my 50s knowledge is limited and scattered, as you can tell...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 05:46am

And sorry, I know I'm not going in a chronological order and just picking random spots, but Mat R, when you mentioned the 80s metal acts, I think you should include Anthrax. They are one of the "big 4", much like Enig's holy trinity of prog; and, since they see relatively no airplay, they are easy to be forgotten. They are as instrumental as Slayer and Megadeth in the development of speed metal, death metal, and the countless genres of ear splitting meldoy...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 05:49am

Put Judas Priest on the ballot next year. Lets see them get voted in like Pat Benatar, Carly Simon and others did and not handed a consolation award to be recognized. As a big Judas Priest fan this is a joke.

Posted by Ken on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 08:25am

Who do you see being the next fan vote winner for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 09:02am

K-dawg

Yea they're up there. The issue with metal i at least have is there are like a dozen subgenres that all have massive popularity and influence. Anthrax and megadeth are as close to the hall i think as motley crue and scorpions or faith no more and slipknot. I don't think there is really a way to do it chronologically after you do british new wave

Richie

If nominated maybe destiny's child. The bee hive will swarm that vote. There could be a backlash to it but they'd definitely come out

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 09:23am

Ken,

It's not a consolation prize, Judas Priest are in. They've been on the ballot multiple times, and didn't do well enough to be inducted by vote. I doubt putting them on the ballot again and again would have fixed that problem. The distinction between being inducted as a performer and in the Musical Excellence category literally does not matter, they will still get their moment in the ceremony, their names will still be on the wall in Cleveland, and they will still be referred to as Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees Judas Priest.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 09:26am

RG,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2022 (Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon and Judas Priest) next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 09:32am

richie,

I'm pretty sure he didn't want to answer your lists for awhile (RG that is) for awhile.

And I will say, and predict, Iron Maiden will go in next year, either in ME or in the performers outright

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 12:13pm

Curious about the side awards. What does everyone think of Danny Elfman for the Award for Musical Excellence?

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 12:54pm

Mat R,

Absolutely, he's one of the most well - known composers in film & television history. Not to mention he's also the main songwriter for Onigo Boingo as well being a multi instrumentalist.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 14:41pm

Ken,

Musical Excellence is not an award nor prize, it's a category ( a side one but still a category). Priest were on the ballot multiple times & didn't get enough support from the voting members. So the Hall ended up inducting them under ME category & Greg Harris clearly states them as official inductees regardless of which categories & it means they're actually inducted. Kraftwerk got inducted under Early Influence but still officially in.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 14:49pm

Ken,

I checked their name on the list of currently eligible acts & it's nowhere to be found so your point is moot!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 14:51pm

2023 nominee predictions

Coolio
Diana Ross
The Sugarhill Gang
Britney Spears
Fela Kuti
The White Stripes
The B-52's
The Marvelettes
Iron Maiden
Jim Croce
Soundgarden
Huey Lewis and the News
Lou Rawls
War
K.C. and the Sunshine Band
Anthrax
Tone-Loc

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 15:33pm

Garrus

Britney and white stripes are not yet eligible

Also coolio? That's an odd pick

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 15:46pm

With Taylor Hawkins's sudden passing earlier this year at 50 and the fact that he mentioned George Michael, Jane's Addiction and Soundgarden at last year's ceremony when the Foo Fighters got inducted last year, Do you think that the Nominating Committee will put George Michael, Jane's Addiction and Soundgarden all on the ballot next year for the 2023 ballot as a tribute to Taylor Hawkins?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 16:43pm

Soundgarden or Jane's Addiction will get nominated on their own merits, not on the passing of Taylor Hawkins, which is tragic in its own right.

I'd more say if any influence is from his passing, it would be Foo-inspired bands, maybe a Queens of the Stone Age or Seether at some point

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 17:10pm

Yea they won't nominate anyone as a tribute. They could nominate George Michael, Soundgarden, and Jane's Addiction or they could nominate Cyndi Lauper, Oasis, and Pixies or Babyface, Weezer, and Faith No More or Bryan Adams, Hole, and Guided by Voices there is depth in all those fields and most everyone is deserving.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 21:00pm

What are your early predictions for the 2023 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/8/2022 @ 23:52pm

Richie here it goes & this will be an only time I'll share:

Predictions for 2023 nominees

70's:
New York Dolls
Diana Ross
War

80's:
De La Soul
INXS
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael
The Replacements

90's:
A Tribe Called Quest
Beck
Mary J. Blige
Lenny Kravitz
Soundgarden

00's:
Missy Elliott

Now may we focus on this year's class?

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 05/9/2022 @ 03:35am

Matt, Britney and The Stripes will be eligible next year.

I chose Coolio as a random rap act since they have to have the complete history of rap.

Posted by Garrus on Monday, 05/9/2022 @ 03:37am

Garrus,

I check their names for 2023 & they're in 2024 so Mat R is definitely right. You obviously are confusing with both years.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Monday, 05/9/2022 @ 03:57am

K-Dawg,

I agree The 50s won't see another inductee the traditional way. The 60s have a few bands left, most notably the the Guess Who and the Monkees. Also I think Tommy James and the Shondells. The 70s have plenty to be nominated and then inducted. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/9/2022 @ 06:36am

Matt r, I believe that the Guess Who's problem isn't their Canadian origin but rather that they were considered a top 40 band and not one of the "cool" rock bands. An American band that also fell into this category was Three Dog Night, which was an even bigger group than the Guess Who. Despite their huge success I don 't think that they have ever been nominated. The American outfit Grand Funk Railroad was another big group that I don't believe was ever nominated as well. Even successful acts from the USA like these have their issues with the Hall. When it comes to the Rock Hall of Fame, there can be a multitude of reasons why an act isn't inducted or even nominated.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 05/9/2022 @ 10:58am

Ben and K-Dawg,

I would like to hold out some hope for 60s acts like Connie Francis and Neil Sedaka, as well as Chubby Checker. They, as well as the Guess Who, are worthy of induction. If it has to be by the Musical Excellence route

Posted by MarKTesla on Monday, 05/9/2022 @ 11:10am

As far as Judas Priest making in by Musical Excellence, it is a little disappointing, but the group belongs. I did notice that many news outlets only mentioned the performer inductees and not the others. Judas Priest did not appear or were not named in those news pieces. But if this is way for Judas Priest to make it in, so be it. They did the same thing to LL Cool J last year. But in the final analysis he performed at the ceremony and was considered just as legitimate an inductee as the rest. The same will be true for Priest.

Posted by MarkTesla on Monday, 05/9/2022 @ 11:24am

MarkTelsa

A multitude of reasons including not being from the right market and having most of your influence and popularity being in the wrong market. The guess who had more top 10 hits than 3 dog night but most of those hits were in the secondary market of canada. It is a sizable kneecap that originates with nation of origin and it's a kneecapping that hits a heavily influential (samples, loads of covers, the being the og canadian rock band and creating a path for rush and loverboy) band like the guess who very hard.

It's not just canada that deals with this the uk does as well, people were legit shocked roxy music got in. The uk has the advantage of being a bigger nation and key to various moments in rock history but ya know cliff richard, who inspired the beatles and had loads of uk success and some american success over a now 60 year career, is not in.

Also i don't buy the cool band theory especially recently. Chicago, doobie bros, journey.

Going back to inxs cause that's how this started. I listed several reasons and the biggest one was the fact their lead singer is dead (over nation of origin). I do think nation of origin can be overcome (i think i said Morissette is probably near the front of the 90s rock line but probably behind crow) but a lot is seemingly needed to do it cause right now the bar for canadians and Australians seems to be are you as big a name and important as joni Mitchell and ac/dc and i don't think there's anyone who would argue inxs should be the priority.

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 05/9/2022 @ 12:58pm

Inxs checks a lot of boxes. Problem is, they are very good at a lot of things and great at none. Not new wave enough and not hard rock enough to be defining on a hof level...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 05/9/2022 @ 22:11pm

K-dawg

Yep. They check a lot of boxes but kind of lack a proper box genre wise for many. They mostly fall into the alternative box and 80s alternative mostly is forgotten by radio and fans outside of like 8 bands (u2, talking heads, smiths, new order, cure, sonic youth, rem, depeche mode) and maybe a dozens songs because 90s alt reached greater heights.

I think a lot of the discourse here has overly equated new wave to 80s alternative but there are vast differences between what duran duran and the cure were doing and the audiences they had.

Inxs aren't in the worst spot style wise, they're kinda between the two, and fanbase wise, they're like a smaller but sexier u2, but if they're being discussed against most anyone else from new wave, 80s rock, or alternative they're not gonna look that good. They're sexier than most but again Michael Hutchence is gone and i think it's possible they lack cred with some cause of how they discovered J.D. Fortune, who they're on bad terms it seems, as bs as that is.

I like inxs but i'm seeing thought process that paints them as the next step after duran duran and i do not understand why people are gungho on it. Billy idol (this guy literally ticks everyone), pet shop boys, tears for fears, and even motley crue tick a lot of the same boxes inxs does but has more radio play nowadays and can deliver a show yet none have like leaped over the b52s, new order, and devo in the way inxs have on here. It's kinda weird

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 01:18am

The thing about INXS is, I love their music. From 1980 to 1993, they have countless great songs. And I discovered much of them in the past decade, not because they're new to me (Suicide Blonde has ALWAYS been a favorite song), but because I for some reason never went into deep cuts. That being said, it's like Tears for Fears or Brother Cane for me. I love their music, but for the time being, I just don't see them getting in yet. (Yes, I know BC doesn't stand a chance lol)

When I sit there and try to think who Duran Duran would spawn as the next logical choice, 3 bands/acts come up right away, and none are directly related to them. One is the B52's, who are pioneers in their own right, and probably are the closest in style to DD. The next one is Cyndi Lauper, who just clicked in my head as a natural choice, because she exemplifies the 80s in style, diversity and nostalgia. And the third, who I actually have next after Eurythmics, is Joy Division/New Order. My mental list of most deserving rockers includes these gents now, because everyone they were waiting behind, the Cure, Depeche Mode, Eurythmics, even Duran Duran, has gotten in. It is their turn, and I see them as the most influential new wave band (of which there is a broad swath) not in yet.

INXS, to me, just gets put it too many format groups. They get played by classic and contemporary rock stations who don't consider new wave part of their format, yet they also are played on alternative stations who espouse the 80s alternative scene with keyboards and synthpop as an evolution, deviation and to some, improvement over 70s arena rock. They're pedestrian, and that's not a knock as much as it is to say, they blend in so well in every rockish genre

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 05:31am

I did some Internet scouring to see if I could find a good list of HOF snubs (of which no 2 people will universally agree to 100 of), and I came across this gem. I hope we can look at it and do a bit of analysis while we have months to kill for the RRHOF induction. One thing I will mention, this is from 2019. The list does have a very wide scope of what it is considering. And, on a personal level, while I'm on board with Willie Nelson and maybe Merle Haggard, country to me is a different beast from traditional rock n roll. Blues country and southern rock, with roots there, are fine, but old school country--eh, just seems completely different to me. Of course, I am the first person in the world to defend rap, hip hope, soul and dance as very much part of the rock and roll genre...

Almost forgot, here's the link:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/100-biggest-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-snubs-of-all-time/ar-BB1gEhC6

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 05:45am

and, of course, there's a handful of acts already in, like Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Dolly Parton, and Judas Priest...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 05:46am

I think a lot of the INXS talk is our tendency when predicting to focus on who the most similar artists on a basic level are to the ones on the ballot this year rather than who are most likely to be considered for other reasons. Sometimes this logic is dead on, like Carole King's induction immediately leading to a Carly Simon nom and induction, but it doesn't always follow the clearest path.

As for the process of getting new wave and post punk artists in, I'm thrilled that they were able to get two in this year, that's a huge step in recognizing the titans of the genre. I would imagine, especially since Eurythmics and Duran Duran not only got in but dominated the vote this year, that they will put a similar number and caliber of artists on next year. Not going to make any specific predictions just yet, but here is the pool of artists that I think are realistic possibilities to fill these slots next year.

Devo
Kate Bush
The B-52's
Joy Division, hopefully with New Order
The Smiths
Cyndi Lauper
INXS
The Bangles

Not to say that other artists are unworthy, but we're probably not seeing Tears For Fears or The Human League on a ballot until most of this group of artists get in.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 06:33am

Thoughts on what the show order and setlists might be this year? Here are mine. I think they will generally try to alternate performing and non-performing acts, and I think that Dolly will open the show and Eminem followed by Duran Duran will close the show. Otherwise the order is a random guess on my part.

Dolly Parton - Inducted by Miley Cyrus
Performs: "9 to 5", "Jolene", I Will Always Love You"

Jimmy Iovine - Inducted by Dr. Dre

Lionel Richie - Inducted by Pharrell
Performs: "Hello", "Endless Love" (w/ special guest Diana Ross), "All Night Long"

Elizabeth Cotten - Inducted by Brittany Howard

Judas Priest - Inducted by Robert Plant
Performs: "Breakin' the Law", "You've Got Another Thing Comin'"

Allen Grubman - Inducted by Bruce Springsteen

Carly Simon - Inducted by Sara Bareilles
Performs: "Like a River" (performed by Sara Bareilles), "You're So Vain" (duet w/ someone)

Sylvia Robinson - Inducted by Grandmaster Flash

Pat Benatar - Inducted by Sheryl Crow
Performs: "Hit Me With Your Best Shot", "We Belong", "Love Is A Battlefield"

Harry Belafonte - Inducted by Chuck D

Eurythmics - Inducted by St. Vincent
Performs: "Here Comes the Rain Again", "Would I Lie to You?", "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)"

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - Inducted by Janet Jackson

Eminem - Inducted by Pete Davidson
Performs: "The Real Slim Shady", "Love the Way You Lie" (w/ special guest Rihanna*), "Lose Yourself"
*okay the Rihanna thing is wishful thinking but would be really cool

Duran Duran - Inducted by Gwen Stefani
Performs: "Hungry Like the Wolf", "Ordinary World", "Rio"

I may have overshot a little bit with who would realistically show up but I think this sounds like a pretty great show.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 09:39am

RG,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2022 (Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon and Judas Priest) next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 09:54am

Do you get tired of asking questions?

Posted by John on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 09:56am

Here's my version of how the ceremony would run.

Pat Benatar - Inducted by Melissa Etheridge
Performs: Heartbreaker, Hit Me With Your Best Shot & We Belong.

Allen Grubman - Inducted by Bono

Eurythmics - Inducted by Billie Ellish
Performs: Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) & Would I Lie to You.

Carly Simon - Inducted by Natalie Maines
Performs: Tribute performance by The Chicks

Jimmy Iovine - Inducted by Trent Reznor

Lionel Richie - Inducted by Diana Ross
Performs: Hello, Endless Love (wth Ross) & All Night Long.

Judas Priest - Inducted by James Hetfield & Kirk Hammett
Performs: Breaking the Law, Victim of Changes & You've Got Another Thing Comin (wth Hetfield & Hammett).

Elizabeth Cotten - Inducted by Bob Weir

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - Inducted by Usher
Performs: Tribute performances by Usher & The Human League

Sylvia Robinson - Inducted by Missy Elliott

Dolly Parton - Inducted by Miley Cyrus
Performs: Jolene & I Will Always Love You (both wth Cyrus & Jack White).

Harry Belafonte - Inducted by Chuck D

Eminem - Inducted by Elton John
Performs: Lose Yourself, My Name is & Stan (wth John).

Duran Duran - Inducted by Mark Ronson
Performs: Ordinary World, Hungry like a Wolf & Notorious.

All Star Jam: Benatar, DD, Eminem, Rob Halford of Priest, Parton, Richie plus some aforementioned guests Hetfield, Hammett, Melissa Etheridge, Cyrus & White adding Nile Rodgers. (Don't have a particular song.)

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 10:47am

Rg

There's no way eminem doesn't close especially if he's bringing Rihanna out unless there's a janet jackson like issue. Duran duran are big but they're not that big and they'd likely get totally upstaged by eminem just having Rihanna walk out for her first public appearance post child birth.

The hall will likely treat eminem as the sea change moment and a generational act.

Also i think for priest lzzy hale will do the induction. She's influenced by them, toured with them, and like halford is an lgbtq performer in the metal space.

Also not sure about st. Vincent, cause she's done 2 in less than a decade already, and not sold miley will do dolly cause there's also the shania factor and possibility they want to show Dolly's legacy on music (maybe they try to get both i dunno)

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 10:52am

Here's who I think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2022 next year for 2023:

Pat Benatar: Cyndi Lauper, The Bangles, Bad Company, Boston, Foreigner, Jethro Tull, The Monkees
Duran Duran: INXS
Eminem: OutKast, Missy Elliott, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Salt-N-Pepa
Eurythmics: The B-52's
Dolly Parton: Willie Nelson, Cher, Diana Ross
Lionel Richie: Phil Collins, George Michael, Gloria Estefan, Mariah Carey, Diana Ross, Dionne Warwick
Carly Simon: Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Sheryl Crow
Judas Priest: Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy, Motley Crue

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 12:32pm

Mat,

You make some good points.

The Rihanna thing is definitely wishful thinking lol, the more I think about it the harder it is to believe that she would choose the Rock Hall for not just her first postpartum appearance but also one of her first major appearances as a musician since her hiatus started like five years ago.

I think you could very well be right about Eminem, he is obviously the bigger act on the ticket. I mostly thought of Duran for the closer because as a show that is still fairly geared towards Baby Boomers and older Gen X for now, they're still an enormous draw in a way that Eminem is more geared toward younger Gen X and Millennials. Very good chance you're right though.

Lzzy Hale is an interesting choice, I'm not super familiar with her but seems like a good candidate.

St Vincent, sure she's been involved with several inductions recently, but hasn't been the main presenter before. I think she's the right mix of mainstream enough to be on the Hall's radar while still having enough indie cool cred, and the influence is very clear. Also thought of Shirley Manson for this slot.

Miley makes sense to me, she's Dolly's real life goddaughter so it would be all the more heartfelt and I think outside of that it makes sense to choose someone who has transcended country and rock and pop circles to pull the case for her induction together rather than someone who has been more rooted in the pop country world.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 12:33pm

2023 eligibles with most potential ranked by said potential

Most likely - Missy elliott
Destiny's child
Sia (musical excellence lock)
Black eyed peas
Muse
Queens of the stone age
Sean Combs (non performer lock)
Neko case
Bright eyes
Limp Bizkit
Smash mouth
Sigur Ros (musical excellence maybe)
Hanson
God Speed! You black emperor
Buena Vista Social Club
Of Montreal
Alkaline Trio
Least likely - Creed


Thoughts?

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 13:01pm

Can we have an update on that Rock Hallers with more than 30 or more/3 or less hits list? Please?

I know Priest never had a hit, and Eminem has a lot of hits, but is it anywhere near the 50 Jay-Z has?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 13:17pm

Who do you think will be the next 80's era MTV acts nominated and inducted next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 17:18pm

Richie my best guess is Cyndi Lauper, INXS, George Michael or Motley Crue.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 18:05pm

Follower,

Thanks for asking, I'll post an updated version of that # of hits list sometime this week

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 18:15pm

Thought of doing something interesting.

I would like to do the # ratings of performers of every class, for this I'll be giving them a number between 1 -10 out of 10 based on influence & innovation on popular music. I'll do this by at least 3 or 4 parts. This is Pt 1.

Rating Numbers:
10/10 = Immortals, Legends & Icons
9/10 = All Time Greats
8/10 = No Brainers
7/10 = Solid Picks
6/10 = Decent Artists
5/10 = Average/Borderline
4/10 = Marginal
3/10 = Mediocre
2/10 = Failure
1/10 = Not even worth of mention

1986
Chuck Berry: 10/10
James Brown & The Famous Flames: 10/10
Ray Charles: 10/10
Sam Cooke: 10/10
Fats Domino: 10/10
The Everly Brothers: 10/10
Buddy Holly & The Crickets: 10/10
Jerry Lee Lewis: 10/10
Little Richard: 10/10
Elvis Presley: 10/10

1987
The Coasters: 8/10
Eddie Cochran: 9/10
Bo Diddley: 10/10
Aretha Franklin: 10/10
Marvin Gaye: 10/10
Bill Haley & The Comets: 9/10
BB King: 10/10
Clyde McPhatter: 8/10
Ricky Nelson: 9/10
Roy Orbison: 10/10
Carl Perkins: 10/10
Smokey Robinson & The Miracles: 10/10
Big Joe Turner: 9/10
Muddy Waters: 10/10
Jackie Wilson: 10/10

1988
The Beach Boys: 10/10
The Beatles: 10/10
Bob Dylan: 10/10
The Drifters: 10/10
The Supremes: 10/10

1989
Dion: 8/10
Otis Redding: 10/10
The Rolling Stones: 10/10
The Temptations: 10/10
Stevie Wonder: 10/10

1990
Hank Ballard & The Midnighters: 8/10
Bobby Darin: 5/10
The Four Seasons: 7/10
The Four Tops: 10/10
The Kinks: 10/10
The Platters: 8/10
Simon & Garfunkel: 10/10
The Who: 10/10

1991
Lavern Baker: 6/10
The Byrds: 10/10
John Lee Hooker: 8/10
The Impressions: 7/10
Wilson Pickett: 9/10
Jimmy Reed: 8/10
Ike & Tina Turner: 9/10

1992
Bobby "Blue" Bland: 8/10
Booker T & The M.G's: 8/10
Johnny Cash: 10/10
The Isley Brothers: 9/10
Jimi Hendrix Experience: 10/10
Sam & Dave: 9/10
The Yardbirds: 9/10

1993
Ruth Brown: 8/10
Cream: 9/10
CCR: 9/10
The Doors: 10/10
Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers: 6/10
Etta James: 9/10
Van Morrison: 10/10
Sly & The Family Stone: 10/10

1994
The Animals: 8/10
The Band: 9/10
Duane Eddy: 6/10
The Grateful Dead: 9/10
Elton John: 10/10
John Lennon: 10/10
Bob Marley: 10/10
Rod Stewart: 8/10

1995
The Allman Brothers Band: 9/10
Al Green: 9/10
Janis Joplin: 10/10
Led Zeppelin: 10/10
Martha & The Vandellas: 8/10
Neil Young: 10/10
Frank Zappa: 9/10

1996
David Bowie: 10/10
Gladys Knight & The Pips: 7/10
Jefferson Airplane: 8/10
Little Willie John: 6/10
Pink Floyd: 10/10
The Shirelles: 9/10
The Velvet Underground: 10/10

Part 2 coming soon!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 20:21pm

Expecting a 1 or 2 for Bon Jovi and Percy Sledge.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 20:28pm

Here's part 2 of the rating the performers.

Rating Numbers:
10/10 = Immortals, Legends & Icons
9/10 = All Time Greats
8/10 = No Brainers
7/10 = Solid Picks
6/10 = Decent Artists
5/10 = Average/Borderline
4/10 = Marginal
3/10 = Mediocre
2/10 = Failure
1/10 = Not even worth of mention

1997
The Bee Gees: 9/10
Buffalo Springfield: 6/10
Crosby, Stills & Nash: 7/10
The Jackson 5: 9/10
Joni Mitchell: 9/10
Parliament - Funkadelic: 10/10
The (Young) Rascals: 5/10

1998
Eagles: 9/10
Fleetwood Mac: 8/10
The Mamas & The Papas: 6/10
Lloyd Price: 4/10
Santana: 8/10
Gene Vincent & The Blue Caps: 7/10

1999
Billy Joel: 9/10
Curtis Mayfield: 9/10
Paul McCartney: 8/10
Del Shannon: 5/10
Dusty Springfield: 8/10
Bruce Springsteen: 10/10
The Staple Singers: 8/10

2000
Eric Clapton: 9/10
Earth, Wind & Fire: 8/10
The "Lovin Spoonful: 5/10
The Moonglows: 6/10
Bonnie Raitt: 7/10
James Taylor: 8/10

2001
Aerosmith: 9/10
Solomon Burke: 7/10
The Flamingos: 6/10
Michael Jackson: 10/10
Queen: 10/10
Paul Simon: 8/10
Steely Dan: 8/10
Ritchie Valens: 7/10

2002
Isaac Hayes: 7/10
Brenda Lee: 6/10
Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers: 9/10
Gene Pitney: 5/10
Ramones: 10/10
Talking Heads: 9/10

2003
AC/DC: 9/10
The Clash: 10/10
Elvis Costello & The Attractions: 9/10
The Police: 9/10
Righteous Brothers: 7/10

2004
Jackson Browne: 7/10
The Dells: 5/10
George Harrison: 8/10
Prince: 10/10
Bob Seger: 7/10
Traffic: 7/10
ZZ Top: 7/10

2005
Buddy Guy: 8/10
The O'Jays: 7/10
The Pretenders: 8/10
Percy Sledge: 2/10
U2: 10/10

2006
Black Sabbath: 10/10
Blondie: 8/10
Miles Davis: 9/10
Lynyrd Skynyrd: 8/10
Sex Pistols: 9/10

2007
Grandmaster Flash & Furious Five: 8/10
R.E.M: 10/10
The Ronettes: 6/10
Patti Smith: 9/10
Van Halen: 9/10

Part 3 coming soon!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 20:57pm

Richie

Not counting Bush, Maiden, Eric B and Rakim, and Devo (and I guess New Order and The Smiths cause MTV wasn't vital to them) and not saying they'll get 2023 but

Women
- Cyndi Lauper and Bjork are jointly the top tier Cyndi was a star in the Golden Age of MTV and Bjork is the greatest video artist of all-time...also remember Bjork was on MTV with the Sugarcubes in the 80s
- Sheena Easton
- Grace Jones
- Paula Abdul
- Lita Ford

Men
- Bryan Adams
- Billy Idol
- Billy Squire
- Herbie Hancock
- George Michael - the #1 in this department
- Big Daddy Kane
- Phil Collins
- Sting
- Steve Winwood
- Cool Moe Dee
- Robert Palmer
- Bobby Brown

Groups
- Salt-N-Pepa - the #1 group in terms of importance not in
- The Bangles
- Motley Crue
- New Edition
- Living Colour
- DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince - despite the slap I can see it happening
- Huey Lewis and the News
- INXS
- Loverboy
- Siouxsie and the Banshees
- Midnight Oil
- a-Ha
- Danzig
- Traveling Wilburys - it's dumb but honestly I could see this circle jerk happening
- Twisted Sister
- Crowded House
- Poison
- DeBarge

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 21:22pm

Who do you think will be the next Female acts nominated and inducted next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/10/2022 @ 21:38pm

Richie

Mariah Carey and The B-52's (Kate Pierson, Cindy Wilson, maybe Tracy Wormworth) are the two I think have the best shots at 2023.

I know Cyndi Lauper is a big 80s name and with Pat Benatar in it makes a lot of sense to do her for people but with Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Tina Turner, and now Eminem (who she famously dated and feuded with) Mariah Carey makes a ton of sense and she's a bigger name and let's be real the bigger snub (19 #1 singles - most by any solo artist not to mention by a female songwriter and female producer cause she wrote and produced a lot of it). I think they're gonna try to be more rock or just edgy next year so I don't think they'll do two pop mega stars.

The B52's are just a well liked band. Not even among New Wave but in general, they've worked with everyone and seem like a group of weirdos that actually got on well with the mainstream while maintaining weirdo status. They have a leg up on all in their lane: they're more commercially successful than Devo, Oingo Boingo, Sonic Youth, and Pixies, more pop friendly than New Order/Joy Division, The Smiths, or Suicide, came well before Pet Shop Boys and Tears for Fears, had a more memorable run than INXS and Till Tuesday, and are more acclaimed than Huey Lewis and the News. They're also saying goodbye and I think for a band like the B52's will go over well.

Missy Elliott, while massive, I don't think will get the Eminem, Jay-Z, Tupac, and Biggy treatment. I think she'll be nominated but miss in 2023 because I think they're gonna nominate Wu-Tang or Outkast.

Chaka Khan, Tracy Chapman, and New Order (Gillian Gilbert) will also be on the ballot I think.

Tracy Chapman, being born and raised in Cleveland and having written and performed "Fast Car" (a song with serious staying power), I think will get foundation and general critical support as well as support from fellow artists so I can see her going in, especially if Carly Simon can on her first nomination ("You're So Vain" despite popularity doesn't have the power of "Fast Car," which is also super popular, and I think everyone voting knows that). Chapman also probably has just enough other pop hits ("Talking bout a Revolution", "Baby Can I Hold You", "Give Me One Reason") that industry people would be game.

The name I'm 50/50 on is Destiny's Child (Beyoncé Knowles, Kelly Rowland, Michelle Williams, LaTavia Roberson, and LeToya Luckett). Super popular and influential act that would 100000% get a younger generation buzzing. They also do something everyone wants to see happen: women of colour get honoured and get ballots. They are also all under 42 atm and as the average inductee is like 72 that's a massive plus. I'm tempted to say they'll wait a few years but they also might want to do this prior to nominating Beyoncé solo out of fear after she's in voters won't be so keen on them.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 00:01am

Mat R,

I agree 100% on The B-52's, I think that now that Talking Heads, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Police, The Pretenders, Blondie, The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics are in, I think that The B-52's are next in line as far as 80's New Wave/Alternative bands go, They are embarking on a farewell tour this year and they have a documentary about their career that's coming out in early 2023 as well, so I feel very strongly that next year will be The B-52's's year, as well as it should be.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 00:21am

Destiny's Child CANNOT go in before TLC

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 05:57am

rorschach

There are problems with that induction but the hall can because they have the x factor that is Beyonce. The chronological argument is kind of dumb cause it's creating a backlog where ones doesn't need to be (look at punk where patti Smith and the stooges took years to get in and now mc5 and ny dolls can't get in so it seems television, black flag, fugazi, and buzzcocks have to wait. Ya think tlc stands a better chance than destiny's child?) and the hall clearly doesn't think it's a must all the time especially when dealing with a mega star (look at how green day leap frogged everyone in punk). Destiny's child us probably a safer bet than tlc, salt-n-peppa, or spice girls (yes they belong in this chat) and their induction could do a lot of good.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 10:43am

Mat R,

What are your early predictions for the 2023 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 10:50am

Anyone have any ideas about who should induct Judas Priest? Only reason I ask is because I'm afraid either Tom Morello or someone from Metallica will induct them and I don't really want that. They always induct acts like this. I kinda want Tim "Ripper" Owens, the guy who fronted Priest for a time when Rob Halford left, to induct them.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 12:30pm

Raichu,

It could be Dave Mustaine of Megadeth since he & them were also influenced by Priest & Tom Morello has been overused so much that the Hall is going to have to pick someone else & I thought Mustaine should induct Priest. Also there's absolutely no way the Hall isn't going to pick Owens to induct the band that he fronted when Halford isn't around it's kind of like Priest inducting themselves per say even though he's not part of induction but still.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 12:45pm

Raichu

I think they'll get lzzy hale. Mustaine is a good pick but hale feels like a better pick.

Richie

I already said

Back for number 7
MC5

Back for number 4
Chaka Khan
Devo*

Back for number 2
The Dave Matthews Band
Beck
Los Lobos

Debuts
Bryan Adams
Joy Division and New Order
The B52s*
'Weird Al' Yankovic*
Mariah Carey*
Oasis
Kool and the Gang
Bad Company*
Missy Elliott
Wu-Tang Clan*
Tracy chapman*

* gets in

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 13:11pm

Ok just came up with 2 other possible Priest inductors: Phil Anselmo from Pantera or someone from Queensryche. I feel like I'm just pulling stuff out of thin air, but I just want someone besides Morello or anyone from Metallica because those 2 are cop outs and too easy for the Hall to use.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 13:17pm

Raichu,

You don't want another Dire Straits situation with Priest do you?

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 14:57pm

Pleb,
At least everyone from Priest
would (hopefully) show up even if the Owens thing happens. Its not like Straits where the 2 brothers didn't show up and the Hall couldn't find a person to induct them.

Posted by Raichu on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 15:16pm

My ideal ceremony:

Ceremony Opener: Greg Harris

Judas Priest
Inducted by: Jack Black
Painkiller
Breakin' the Law
You Got Another Thing Coming

Lionel Richie
Inducted by: Diana Ross
Hello
Say You, Say Me
Endless Love (w/Diana Ross)

Elizabeth Cotten
Inducted by: Brittany Howard

Harry Belafonte
Inducted by: Spike Lee

Carly Simon
Inducted by: Norah Jones
You're So Vain (w/Norah Jones)
Mockingbird (w/Norah Jones)
Coming Around Again (w/Norah Jones)

Dolly Parton
Inducted by: Miley Cyrus
9 to 5
Jolene
Islands in the Stream (w/Miley Cyrus)

Eurthymics
Inducted by: Shirley Manson
Sweet Dreams (Are Made of These)
Touch
Here Comes the Rain Again

In Memoriam:
Michael Stipe

Terry Lewis and Jerry Jam
Inducted by: Bobby Brown

Allen Grubman:
Inducted by: Jann Wenner

Jimmy Iovine
Inducted by: Stevie Nicks

Sylvia Robinson
Inducted by: Chuck D

Pat Benatar
Inducted by: Sheryl Crow
Heartbreaker
Love Is a Battlefield
We Belong

Duran Duran
Inducted by: Bryan Ferry
Hungry Like the Wolf
Ordinary World
Girls On Film
Rio

Eminem
Inducted by: Dr. Dre
Rap God
Guilty Conscience (w/Dr. Dre)
Till I Collapse
Lose Yourself

All-Star Jam:
Johnny B. Goode

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 15:18pm

Gonna be honest the induction I'm super curious about is Lionel. You look at who he's influenced and linked to and you could have like Drake, Mike Patton, Boys II Men, Helen Mirren, Luther Vandross, Nicole Richie, Babyface, Rob Zombie, Zooey Deschanel, Diana Ross, Dave Grohl, Quincy Jones, Stevie Wonder, Ryan Seacrest, Lenny Kravitz, Katy Perry, Joel Madden, Luke Bryan, Kenny Chesney, Simon Cowell, David Foster, and Camila Cabello.

That is a cartoonish list and assortment of people. I really am curious how this goes down.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 15:34pm

I wonder who a tribute performance will be for, if there will be any.

Since last time there were 7 performer inductees there was no tribute performance (even though Aretha Franklin had died that year), I'm thinking it will be the same this year.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 15:47pm

I just don't think the nominating committee would forward Destiny's Child without someone arguing for TLC beforehand. Beyoncé solo trumps Destiny's Child's overall impact anyway, so I don't think they would even come up at all. If they were, as I said, I think someone in the room would advocate for TLC first, or to just hold off till Beyoncé is inducted first ballot.

I'd love to see Kelly and Michelle in the Hall but I don't think it'll happen for a long time.

Posted by rorschach on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 16:17pm

rorschach

i think tlc would get mentioned if destiny's child came up (like questlove would push for them instead but i do think the nomcom overall would rather have beyonce be a double inductee and let's be real the odds of that go down if they wait till after they induct her solo.

if they're thinking ceremony and hbo then they'd be thinking about the nostalgia show with destiny's child in addition to the beyonce mega show in 2029. both of those would be massive draws as the beehive would swarm both in-person and on tv. you risk delaying or losing that if beyonce goes in first and i think a lot of people know that.

and again it get 5 women of colour, all of whom are young, into the hall and give them all voting power. it's annoying cause again it skips tlc, salt-n-pepa, en vouge, spice girls but it gives the people what they want

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 16:33pm

RG and Plebeian,

What are your early predictions for the 2023 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 16:51pm

Between the now 4 artists who placed in the top 5 in the fan vote without getting inducted, who do you guys think has the best and worst chances of being inducted? As a reminder, they are Dave Matthews Band, Soundgarden, Iron Maiden, and Fela Kuti.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 17:38pm

Follower,

I think Soundgarden is easily the most likely of that list. They were hurt last time they were on the ballot being on the same ballot as a bunch of other harder rock acts. They will likely get in as soon as they are on a more favorable ballot.

Dave Matthews - I'm retreading an argument from 2019 here, but DMB's success on the fan ballot was in my opinion because they have an incredibly passionate fan base that was motivated to keep voting in the fan vote, but that support didn't transfer broadly to the audience of actual voters. I think they probably will get in one day, but maybe not for another decade, once a bunch of other 90s acts are in.

Iron Maiden - Difficult to say, hopefully we will move towards a place where seminal metal bands can get in on the ballot, but if Priest can't do it…

Fela Kuti - I don't see a world where he gets in on the ballot. I think it's a side category induction for him. I'm kind of surprised that they haven't introduced an International side category yet.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 18:20pm

Follower,

1. I think Soundgarden will return for next year's ballot since it's been a while that they appeared on the list & they will take Rage Against the Machine's spot since they pretty much exhausted their chances, but as far for actual induction I think it will take them 2 more nominations to get the honor.

2. I literally don't get why DMB was nominated so soon let alone doing so well in the Fan Vote, I mean they're good but they don't have quite an substantial discography as 90's inductees Nirvana, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, NIN & Green Day. Maybe it's because the Hall wants to test some artists who might not have bigger chances for induction, maybe it could be it. With that said, it's going to take them a long while for them especially when aforementioned bands Soundgarden & RATM as others like Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots & this year's nominee Beck still waiting for their call.

3. With Judas Priest finally having their place at the Rockhall, it pretty much opens the door for other bands in the Metal genre waiting for their inclusion & Iron Maiden is one of them. Fans are livid when they didn't get the call last year & they're still bitter about it. Maybe next year could be it for them.

4. The more I think about Fela Kuti being nominated as a performer, the more I thought that he will be inducted under one of the non - voting categories since he's so obscure to even be honored as a performer. Plus it won't be fair to few others who got inducted under these special categories like aforementioned Priest & others Kraftwerk & LL Cool J.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 19:46pm

Here's final part of rating the performers.

Rating Numbers:
10/10 = Immortals, Legends & Icons
9/10 = All Time Greats
8/10 = No Brainers
7/10 = Solid Picks
6/10 = Decent Artists
5/10 = Average/Borderline
4/10 = Marginal
3/10 = Mediocre
2/10 = Failure
1/10 = Not even worth of mention

2008
The Dave Clark Five: 5/10
Leonard Cohen: 7/10
Madonna: 10/10
John Mellencamp: 7/10
The Ventures: 7/10

2009
Jeff Beck: 7/10
Little Anthony & The Imperials: 6/10
Metallica: 10/10
Run - D.M.C: 10/10
Bobby Womack: 7/10

2010
ABBA: 8/10
Genesis: 8/10
The Hollies: 3/10
Jimmy Cliff: 5/10
The Stooges: 10/10

2011
Alice Cooper: 7/10
Neil Diamond: 7/10
Dr. John: 5/10
Darlene Love: 3/10
Tom Waits: 8/10

2012
Beastie Boys: 9/10
Donovan: 7/10
Guns N' Roses: 9/10
Laura Nyro: 4/10
Red Hot Chili Peppers: 9/10
The Small Faces/Faces: 6/10

2013
Heart: 7/10
Albert King: 8/10
Randy Newman: 6/10
Public Enemy: 10/10
Rush: 8/10
Donna Summer: 8/10

2014
Peter Gabriel: 8/10
Hall & Oates: 7/10
Kiss: 7/10
Nirvana: 10/10
Linda Ronstadt: 7/10
Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam: 6/10

2015
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band: 3/10
Green Day: 9/10
Joan Jett & The Heartbreakers: 5/10
Lou Reed: 8/10
SRV & Double Trouble: 7/10
Bill Withers: 6/10

2016
Cheap Trick: 6/10
Chicago: 6/10
Deep Purple: 8/10
Steve Miller: 3/10
N.W.A: 9/10

2017
Joan Baez: 6/10
ELO: 5/10
Journey: 3/10
Pearl Jam: 10/10
Tupac Shakur: 10/10
Yes: 7/10

2018
Bon Jovi: 4/10
The Cars: 7/10
Dire Straits: 6/10
The Moody Blues: 5/10
Nina Simone: 8/10

2019
The Cure: 8/10
Def Leppard: 5/10
Janet Jackson: 9/10
Stevie Nicks: 3/10
Radiohead: 10/10
Roxy Music: 8/10
The Zombies: 5/10

2020
Depeche Mode: 8/10
The Doobie Brothers: 6/10
Whitney Houston: 9/10
Nine Inch Nails: 9/10
The Notorious B.I.G: 8/10
T. Rex: 8/10

2021
Foo Fighters: 8/10
The Go - Go's: 7/10
Jay - Z: 10/10
Carole King: 5/10
Todd Rundgren: 6/10
Tina Turner: 9/10

2022
Pat Benatar: 6/10
Duran Duran: 8/10
Eminem: 10/10
Eurythmics: 7/10
Dolly Parton: 9/10
Lionel Richie: 6/10
Carly Simon: 6/10

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 20:51pm

1) Soundgarden - I think they get in on their next nomination but I think the hall needs to take a break from grunge and 90s hard rock. 6 of the 90s alternative inductees can be defined as some kind of hard rock while only 1 (if we count Beastie Boys as 80s) has been from outside that scene. In addition 5 of 6 remaining nominations have gone to hard rock acts. The 90s was such a rich era for rock and the Hall seems to be following the trends radio did by making hard rock the defining sound of rock which we know now in retrospect was largely a mistake because of how much was happening. I think some people in the hall know this and will push for an Oasis or a Weezer or a PJ Harvey or a No Doubt or a Blink-182 or a Pavement in the next year instead of a grunge/hard rock act.

2) Dave Matthews Band - Speaking of bands they could nominate from outside of grunge and hard rock. I actually think they'll be nominated next year. Unique and very popular band that was the pinnacle of the jam band scene (a scene as big as grunge and pop punk and bigger than britpop and industrial) and generally well received by the industry. I also think their win in the fanvote and failure to get inducted was a turning point for the hall as it outed how real the disconnect between the hall an fans was. I think voters and the nomcom took note and will want to try them again sooner rather than later.

3) Iron Maiden - I think a short break is needed from metal after the hall had to induct Priest and Randy without voters. More is needed beyond Priest to increase the pool to get a metal act in on the ballot so I think they'll take 3 nominations overall, partly cause I don't think Maiden give a shit.

4) Fela Kuti - I suspect they'll use him to launch an international prize. I can just picture like Tom Morello coming out and saying "I'm pleased to announce the new category: The Fela Kuti International Rock Award. The first recipients: Fela Kuti, Serge Gainsbourg, and Ravi Shankar" It'd be corny but I think it'll happen.

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/11/2022 @ 21:16pm

The 2 Inductions I am super curious about are Lionel Richie and Carly Simon .You look at who Lionel has influenced and linked to and you have so many choices like Drake, Mike Patton, Boys II Men, Helen Mirren, Luther Vandross, Nicole Richie, Babyface, Zooey Deschanel, Diana Ross, Quincy Jones, Stevie Wonder, Lenny Kravitz, Katy Perry are some.
Carly Simon is linked to a lot of artists too. There is Carole King, Jackson Browne, Bette Midler, James Taylor, Jewel,Sara Bareilles, Suzanne Vega and Vanessa Carlton.
This a big assortment of people for both. I am curious how both these go down.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/12/2022 @ 07:04am

Ben,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2022 (Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon and Judas Priest) next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/12/2022 @ 12:05pm

Now that Duran Duran and Eminem are in my 12 Days lists is starting to clear now. Here is who is left in so far. Mat R and Jordan Einstein every holiday season I do a special 12 Days of Christmas thing in where I examine some of my favorite and FRL's favorite acts not in the Hall. It's to spice up this place and celebrating the joy on the website.

2020:
Dick Dale
King Crimson
Nick Drake
Big Star
Jim Croce
Joy Division/New Order
Black Flag
Iron Maiden
The Smashing Pumpkins
OutKast

2021:
The Replacements
Devo
Harry Nilsson
Rage Against The Machine
Soundgarden
The Smiths
New York Dolls
Gram Parsons
Warren Zevon
Motörhead
Jane's Addiction

Now in:
Foo Fighters (2021)
Duran Duran (2022)
Eminem (2022)

Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/12/2022 @ 12:07pm

Plebeian,

You have done a great job with those lists...I can see a veritable hodgepodge of my own shocking omissions to the Hall there. The unpredictability of the voting body and the hall in general really has necessitated a mass induction sweep of some sort. We need a one-time (much like they did the backing groups in 2012) conglomeration of 50s and 60s artists so the door can largely be closed--Dick Dale, Screamin Jay Hawkins, Patsy Cline, Procol Harum, King Crimson, Herman's Hermits, my beloved Monkees, Tommy James, Blood Sweat and Tears, even Jethro Tull and the Guess Who by proxy if you want them--need immediate recognition and induction. If not in the main category, then by early influence. The mess is just going to get even bigger with each passing year. They have delved deep into hip hop and new wave, but the well isn't dry from the sounds that influenced all the newer trends. It's a huge mess on so many levels..

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 05/12/2022 @ 15:33pm

K-Dawg,

I agree a one time conglomeration of 50s and 60s is a great idea.
Dick Dale, Sceamin Jay Hawkins and Patsy Cline would have to be Early Influence. They all had fame in the 50s.

Procol Harum, King Crimson, Herman's Hermits, the Monkees, Tommy James and Shondells Blood Sweat and Tears, even Jethro Tull and the Guess Who could possibly be In Performer category. But I think some will end up as Early Influence. Since there was Charly Patton last year and there is Harry Belafonte and Elizabeth Cotten this year. This means there is still a focus to some extent on 1940s and 50s.
So 1960:s and 70s acts are still viable as Regullar Performers. In any case dig your idea

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 05/12/2022 @ 18:23pm

Here's my updated list of 100 snubs:
1 PHIL COLLINS
2 FOREIGNER
3 GEORGE MICHAEL/WHAM!
4 INXS
5 BOSTON
6 MARIAH CAREY
7 KOOL & THE GANG
8 STING
9 DESTINY'S CHILD
10 SHERYL CROW
11 CHER
12 TLC
13 STEVE WINWOOD
14 MISSY ELLIOTT
15 DIANA ROSS
16 DR. DRE
17 P Diddy (Puff Daddy)
18 DIONNE WARWICK
19 COMMODORES
20 BRYAN ADAMS
21 WILLIE NELSON
22 SNOOP DOGG
23 BLACK EYED PEAS
24 REO Speedwagon
25 POISON
26 JETHRO TULL
27 CYNDI LAUPER
28 MARY J. BLIGE
29 OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN
30 BILLY IDOL
31 USHER
32 HUEY LEWIS & NEWS
33 KENNY ROGERS
34 MONKEES
35 STYX
36 WAR
37 BAD COMPANY
38 GRAND FUNK RAILROAD
39 THE GUESS WHO
40 BOYZ II MEN
41 PATSY CLINE
42 OUTKAST
43 AMERICA
44 LUTHER VANDROSS
45 SALT 'N PEPA
46 MOTLEY CRUE
47 SADE
48 DON HENLEY
49 POINTER SISTERS
50 JEWEL
51 EN VOGUE
52 TEARS FOR FEARS
53 MEN AT WORK
54 NO DOUBT
55 MEAT LOAF
56 SHANIA TWAIN
57 AALIYAH
58 PETER, PAUL & MARY
59 EDDIE MONEY
60 BRANDY
61 TOTO
62 BABYFACE
63 MATCHBOX TWENTY
64 NATALIE COLE
65 CULTURE CLUB
66 BOBBY BROWN
67 CREED
68 HOOTIE & THE BLOWFISH
69 GLORIA ESTEFAN
70 KANSAS
71 ALANIS MORISSETTE
72 TONI BRAXTON
73 BARRY WHITE
74 ROBERT PALMER
75 WHITESNAKE
76 KENNY LOGGINS
77 ACE OF BASE
78 PETER FRAMPTON
79 ROBERTA FLACK
80 M.C. Hammer
81 BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS
82 THREE DOG NIGHT
83 GLEN CAMPBELL
84 CARPENTERS
85 BANGLES
86 SUPERTRAMP
87 SPINNERS
88 J. GEILS BAND
89 ASSOCIATION
90 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND
91 Connie Francis
92 PET SHOP BOYS
93 B-52'S
94 OZZY OSBOURNE
95 CHIC
96 Neil Sedaka
97 MELISSA ETHERIDGE
98 STEPPENWOLF
99 Tommy James & the Shondells
100 KC & the Sunshine Band

Posted by PAUL BATTAGLIA on Thursday, 05/12/2022 @ 20:07pm

101 is JOY DIVISION/NEW ORDER

Posted by PAUL BATTAGLIA on Thursday, 05/12/2022 @ 20:11pm

What are your early predictions for the 2023 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/12/2022 @ 23:17pm

Guys,

Do you ever think we'll ever get to see indie bands like Pixies, Sonic Youth, The Replacements, The Smiths etc. up for nominations/inductions in the future because they are credited for influencing a lot of 90's alternative bands/artists & because the Hall is so much focusing on the 80's & as well 90's, I just hope that the Hall would take a little break from inducting pop & new wave acts just so they can focus on it. What are your thoughts?

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 00:35am

Paul B,

Hate to say but almost all of the artists you put on your list won't be getting a nomination let alone induction.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 00:37am

Jordan Einstein,

All four of the bands you mentioned will get nominated (The Smiths and Replacements already have been nominated). They're too important to ignore. Whether or not they get inducted is another question, given the lack of mainstream acceptance they had. Just look at the difficulty Kate Bush is having. Those others could experience the same difficulties unfortunately. Others in a similar vein who could eventually receive noms would be Siouxsie and the Banshees, XTC, and Bjork.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 09:02am

Which acts do you think would get in the first time that they are nominated and Which previously nominated acts do you think would get in the next time that they are nominated?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 13:34pm

Legit curious about something: does anyone get the vibe 2022's class feels too grammy like?

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 16:47pm

The Country Music Association will be announcing the 2022 Country Music Hall of Fame inductees this Tuesday, May 17 and the guys at FRL just launched a new site today called Future Country Legends at https://futurecountrylegends.com, So please go check it out when you guys have the chance.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 16:55pm

Michael W,

Thanks for your insight!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 17:23pm

Richie,

I got to say that's an interesting site.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 17:34pm

Jordan Einstein,

What are your early predictions for the 2023 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 17:36pm

Richie this will be the only time I share my predictions then I'll be continuing focusing on this year's class.

My way-to-early predictions for 2023 are.

Nominees:
Beck
Kate Bush
Mary J. Blige
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
INXS
Iron Maiden
Jane's Addiction
Lenny Kravitz
George Michael
Nas
New York Dolls
The Replacements
Diana Ross
A Tribe Called Quest
War

Class of 2023 inductees
Performer Category:
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
INXS
Iron Maiden
Diana Ross
A Tribe Called Quest

Early Influence:
New York Dolls
John Coltrane
Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence:
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
MC5

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Ed Sullivan

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 20:14pm

RG, Plebeian and Greg F,

What are your early predictions for the 2023 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 21:26pm

A conglomeration induction was floated but I have an alternative I'm curious about

Breaking the Early Influence Award into 4 categories
- Pre Rock N Roll Era (1955 and before)
- The Modern Era (since 1955 to 1980, all artists and non-performers who have not been inducted after 20 years of eligibility can be inducted here)
- Non-Rock (artists and non-performers from the non-pop genres eg. jazz, experimental, classical, country, bluegrass, folk)
- International (artists and producers from outside of the United States)

I feel a steady flow of 1 to 3 inductees from each category could not only deal with the forgotten backlog but also produced incredibly interesting classes as you're not only inducting MC5, Patsy Kline, John Coltrane, and the Guess Who but maybe the likes of The Spiders, Glenn Branca, Philip Glass, Wendy Carlos, and Kino.

The addition of non-performers opens the door to adding figures like Harry Everett Smith, Tom Wilson, Estelle Axton, and George Hay.

The Modern Era could create confusion about the Award for Musical Excellence but I think it could elevate the Award for Musical Excellence publicly to the status of a "special jury prize" rather than a "consolation prize" as people want to label it. That might be controversial but the Hall has already presented it as "above" Early Influence, as LL performed and Priest are likely to while Kraftwerk and Gil Scott Heron got video packages with no tribute performance.

Thoughts?

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 21:52pm

Mat R,

The Country Music Association will be announcing the 2022 Country Music Hall of Fame inductees this Tuesday, May 17 and the guys at FRL just launched a new site today called Future Country Legends at https://futurecountrylegends.com, So please go check it out when you have the chance.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 22:00pm

Richie

I did and am disappointed not to see Wilco, Silver Jews, and Chris Isaak listed as "Modern Era Category" as I am a big fan of alternative country and would like to see pressure on the country community to recognize the genre more. Am also disappointed not to see Stompin Tom Connors missing from Veterans Era, as he's a pretty key figure to Canadian country music.

Was please to see KD Lang mentioned.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 22:12pm

Also anyone noticed that Pat Benatar's page on the Rock Hall website now is titled "Pat Benatar and Neil Giraldo" perhaps this site should make some edits.

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/13/2022 @ 23:20pm

Mat R,

Which acts do you think would get in the first time that they are nominated (aka FYN) and Which previously nominated acts do you think would get in the next time that they are nominated?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 00:46am

Alright, here is my first pass at a nominee prediction for next year.

For the purposes of this prediction, let's say that we have 16 nominees, 8 new and 8 returning, with 4 of the returners coming from this years ballot.

Looking at the remaining artists from this years ballot, here's where my head is at. I think that MC5 and New York Dolls are going to drop off, there's just not a lot of hope for either of them to get in on a regular ballot. I think Fela drops off as well, as well as Beck and Tribe, though both of those last two will certainly be back on the ballot sooner rather than later. This leaves Devo, Rage Against the Machine, Dionne Warwick, and Kate Bush as holdovers on the ballot from this year.

From other returning nominees, I think that several of the artists that were on the ballot in 2020 and 2021 will be given another shot. I know the conventional wisdom is that Iron Maiden will get the priority for metal bands, but right now I'm predicting that Motörhead will get the nod. I also think that Mary J Blige, Soundgarden, and Thin Lizzy have a decent likelihood of making the ballot again.

As far as new nominees, let's go genre by genre.

I think there will once again be three hip hop acts on the ballot including Mary J, one mega popular that pushed the genre forward in the late 90s and 00s, and one innovator from an earlier generation. I think OutKast will certainly be the first. I haven't seen his name thrown around much, mostly because he is mainly known as an actor these days, but I think there's a decent chance that Ice-T could get on the ballot.

I think there will be another in this line of multigenerational pop culture icons after Tina and Dolly, and that slot will go to Cher.

In the New Wave world, we should once again have two on the ballot in addition to Devo and Kate Bush. INXS would be the closest comp to Duran Duran, but I think Joy Division/New Order and The B-52's will finally make their ballot debuts next year.

From 80s pop, I think George Michael currently stands the best chance.

The Harry Belafonte induction got me thinking, if the Hall is going down the road of Caribbean/Latin influenced pop, we might be seeing Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine on the ballot sooner rather than later.

And let's round it out with another solo artist from the 90s, Alanis Morissette.

So to review, my initial prediction for what the ballot will look like next year is:

RETURNING NOMINEES
1. Devo
2. Dionne Warwick
3. Rage Against the Machine
4. Kate Bush
5. Motörhead
6. Soundgarden
7. Thin Lizzy
8. Mary J Blige

NEW NOMINEES
1. Cher
2. Joy Division/New Order
3. The B-52's
4. Outkast
5. Ice-T
6. George Michael
7. Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine
8. Alanis Morrisette

Don't ask me who I think is getting in from this list, I'll think about that later.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 14:14pm

Rg

Curious does MC5's upcoming new album and Warwick's lack of interest in the hall factor into your way to early predictions?

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 15:42pm

Mat R,

Not really, no. Legacy acts release new albums all the time, I'm skeptical that a new album from the MC5 will move the needle significantly. And Warwick is far from the first nominee to be ambivalent about the hall and nominated multiple times (look at Rundgren for a recent example).

Posted by RG on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 17:02pm

RG,

I think that out of your early predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Cher, Devo, Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine, Ice-T, Joy Division/New Order, George Michael, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Dionne Warwick). I think the following acts would get inducted:

The B-52's (Their farewell tour and documentary about their career will help them, plus they have had more commercial success than Kate Bush, Devo and Joy Division/New Order and the voters seem to be favoring the 80's New Wave/Alternative acts that are commercially successful and household names and had major mainstream success like Talking Heads, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Police, The Pretenders, U2, Blondie, R.E.M., The Cars, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Go-Go's, Duran Duran and Eurythmics, and The B-52's (along with INXS) are in that same category, so I think that they'll edge out the other 80's New Wave/Alternative acts because they prevail in commercial success and popularity)
Cher (Shoo-in, plus the next Diva to go in)
George Michael (The next big 80's Pop Star to go in following Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Tina Turner and Lionel Richie)
OutKast (The biggest Rap-Hop act still not in, IMO)
Rage Against The Machine (Their reunion tour is finally kicking off in July and will continue until April of next year around the same time voting is taking place for the 2023 class, plus The Velvet Underground, The Sex Pistols and Donna Summer all got in on their fifth nomination, so I can definitely see the same happening for Rage)
Soundgarden (One of four acts that finished in the top five of the fan vote but still hasn't been inducted yet, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics both got in on their second try, so I can definitely see the same happening for Soundgarden)
Dionne Warwick (She faced serious competition both times she has been nominated with Tina Turner, Carole King, The Go-Go's, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon edging her out, but I think she'll get in on her third straight nomination just like The Cars and Todd Rundgren)

Spoilers: Mary J. Blige, Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 17:33pm

Richie,

Thanks for the feedback, I more or less agree with your assessment. And I would be extremely happy about it, any ceremony where Outkast, Cher, and The B-52s are all getting in would be an absurdly fun time.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 18:23pm

RG,

Out of your early predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Cher, Devo, Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine, Ice-T, Joy Division/New Order, George Michael, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, OutKast, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy and Dionne Warwick). Which ones do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 19:20pm

Rg

The reason why i ask is first album in 50 years. If kramer and thompson comes back and reviews are strong (pitchfork 8/10 rolling stone 4/5) and they earn a grammy nod after 50 years i think that could matter heavily as they honestly feel like a project.

Also Warwick isn't the first but she is the least traditionally rock and maybe the easiest to put aside.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 20:22pm

RG,

You really think they will come back to Rage again?

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 20:36pm

Plebeian,

What are your early predictions for the 2023 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 20:41pm

Richie, are you blind? RG said he wasn't going to name his inductees yet. We're getting a bit ahead of ourselves...

On a side note, who is the biggest snub of 2022? I think it's Kate Bush. Even though I didn't predict her, she's the most influential one I see that missed out this time around...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 21:55pm

K-Dawg,

For me, the biggest snub of 2022 is Dionne Warwick, I think that she has had to go up against other women in both years that she has been nominated (2021 and 2022) with Tina Turner, Carole King and The Go-Go's last year and Pat Benatar, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton and Carly Simon this year, but I definitely think that she'll get her third straight nomination next year and she'll get in on her third try next year.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 22:03pm

Hopefully RATM would return next year & it could be final shot since they're almost getting to a point when they exhaust their chances. Do we need to go back with the situations of LL Cool J & Kraftwerk where they ended up being inducted through non voting categories because of they failed past 5 times as performers & other snubs MC5 would likely go that route. Then we have New York Dolls, Kate Bush, Fela Kuti, Dionne Warwick & Devo in which they didn't exhaust their nominations like MC5 but likely as well go to that route too.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 23:00pm

With Judas Priest being inducted under AME, the next ones who will be following them is Motorhead & Ronnie James Dio.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 23:03pm

Jordan Einstein

I'm thinking Motorhead but they'll need another nomination first.

But on the side I wanna talk about how, with the exception of the Eurythmics, none of the returning nominees got in. How do you guys think that will impact 2023? Less returning nominees? More? Fewer overall nominees?

Also I'm curious what everyone's take on the reaction to this class is cause I haven't seen many talk about that here. It's less polarizing than past years I feel but also has caused total confusion about what the thesis is and those rockists that are critical seem almost more annoyed by how little edge there is to the class than the genre mix up.

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 23:13pm

Mat R,

Pat Benatar was previously nominated in 2020, so she was a returning nominee that got in as well along with the Eurythmics.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 23:36pm

richie

sorry my mistake, i forgot cause the rock hall actually changed the name of the act so technically it was their first nomination or some dumb crap, but still we had a drop off of note from 2021 and even 2020 to some extent (as this class nominees was majority returns and only 2 got in, while 2020 was less than half)

can we actually talk about what was said instead of getting caught up in someone forgetting something. cause i asked about two things and you got hung up on a minorish details

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 05/14/2022 @ 23:50pm

K-Dawg

NY Dolls. I get why you'd called Bush the most influential but the Dolls are the holders of the title. Punk, metal, indie, art rock are all greatly in debt to them and even just the album cover sent shockwaves. The gender play of is still heavily felt in modern culture from Young Thug to Ru Paul's Drag Race to the genderqueer discourse. It is not as good as Hounds of Love but it's more influential than she and Tribe (who are also in this conversation are).

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 00:54am

Joy Division
The Sugarhill Gang
The B-52's
Diana Ross
Backstreet Boys
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
Joe Cocker
The Smiths
Hootie and the Blowfish
Stone Temple Pilots
Soundgarden
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
The Marvelettes
Devo
Cher
Motley Crue
Steppenwolf
Jefferson Starship
Supertramp
Smashing Pumpkins

Posted by Garrus on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 01:43am

Richie,

Stop bothering me and everyone else. Here is something from me to make you busy and think who will get in.

Returning:
Dionne Warwick
Thin Lizzy
Soundgarden
New York Dolls
Fela Kuti
Mary J Blige
A Tribe Called Quest

Newbies:
The B-52's
Willie Nelson
George Michael
OutKast
Missy Elliott
Warren Zevon
The Smashing Pumpkins
Cyndi Lauper
INXS

Now stop it!

Posted by Plebeian on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 02:26am

Plebeian,

Out of your early predictions for the 2023 nominees (The B-52's, Mary J. Blige, Missy Elliott, INXS, Fela Kuti, Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, Willie Nelson, New York Dolls, OutKast, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy, A Tribe Called Quest, Dionne Warwick and Warren Zevon). I think the following acts would get inducted:

The B-52's (on the heels of The Go-Go's and Eurythmics, A lot of their voters would support The B-52's, plus they have their farewell tour kicking off in August and upcoming documentary about their career coming out in early 2023, So I think they will sail in easily)
INXS (on the heels of Duran Duran, A lot of their voters would support them, plus two 80's New Wave/Alternative acts inducted at the same time like this year, I think they'll get in immediately when they appear on the ballot)
Cyndi Lauper (on the heels of The Go-Go's, Eurythmics and Pat Benatar, A lot of their voters would support Cyndi, plus she's got a documentary about her career that's in the works called Let The Canary Sing, So I think she'll go right in as the next big 80's MTV icon)
George Michael (on the heels of Duran Duran and Lionel Richie, A lot of their voters would support him, plus he's the next big 80's Pop Icon to go in, also, he has an upcoming documentary coming out in June called Freedom: Uncut, so I think he'll get in right away as well)
Willie Nelson (on the heels of Dolly Parton, A lot of her voters would support Willie, plus he's the next big Country act to go in and he'll be 90 years old next year, I think he's an easy FYN inductee)
Dionne Warwick (on the heels of Tina Turner, Carole King and Carly Simon, A lot of their voters would support Dionne, plus she has the three times a charm factor, I think Dionne gets in on her third try)
Warren Zevon (on the heels of Carole King, Todd Rundgren and Carly Simon, A lot of their voters would support him, plus he's definitely a favorite among many current HOFers and he has Irving Azoff, David Letterman and Paul Shafter in his corner, As my friends on Twitter, Tom Lane and Michael Bourg have said, Once he's on, he's in, I think he easily goes right in)

As to the others, I think Mary J. Blige, Missy Elliott, OutKast and A Tribe Called Quest will all cancel each other out just like we saw with the 2020 ballot with Hard Rock/Heavy Metal acts because they're all Rap/Hip-Hop acts, Smashing Pumpkins and Soundgarden will suffer the same fate as Rage Against The Machine and Beck did this year, Fela Kuti and New York Dolls will get backdoored, so the only spoiler I see is Thin Lizzy.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 09:26am

Quick thoughts on this year's nominees who didn't make the final cut.

Beck: Will see another nomination but it might take a couple more years until we'll see more 90's alternative bands being nominated & inducted into the Hall.

Kate Bush: She might get 4th & last nomination before she will get voted in under Musical Excellence.

Devo: Whenever the next ceremony comes back to Cleveland, they will get the final shot but it's likely going to be a side category induction for them.

Fela Kuti: Almost 90% of general public doesn't know or heard his music & that's pretty much the reason he'll be going in through Early Influence or AME.

MC5: Sure they have new music & are likely touring but that doesn't guarantee another shot so they're going with Early Influence just like Kraftwerk did.

New York Dolls: Maybe next year could be their time since the ceremony is heading back to NYC (in which they're obviously from), but it might be Early Influence so they might have one more shot.

Rage Against the Machine: Probably won't see another nomination but won't be leaving the ballot & sure as heck won't be going through the "backdoor" route, so they might wait a few more years.

A Tribe Called Quest: Likely would be returning since the next ceremony is heading to NYC (also from).

Dionne Warwick: Won't be getting a 3rd nomination & most likely also going through the "backdoor" route since the 60's are closing the doors for consideration.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 12:08pm

I think that out of the acts who didn't get in this year, I think that Beck, Rage Against The Machine and Dionne Warwick have the best chances of getting in next year, especially Dionne.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 13:48pm

Richie

I think Dionne's done with nominations and she doesn't care. She's the easiest person to put aside, due to genre and when she debuted. The rock hall kind of used her celebrity like dolly in that both are popular online and she didn't use that popularity at all for the hall.

She also doesn't care and doesn't get why she's nominated when she isn't a rocker in her opinion. Rundgren and radiohead didn't care or get it but they didn't deny being rock. Having someone like dionne say "why am i here? I don't fit in" is mire awkward than some guy saying "f*** you" for an award, it's why dolly was such a mess.

I think for 2023 there might be a pumping of the breaks on the "all genres" movement at the hall because they dealt with probably their biggest ever humiliation this year as a result of it

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 16:41pm

Mat R,

I'm going to list off all the acts that are eligible for the Country Music Hall of Fame in the Veterans Era and Modern Era categories and they are:

Veterans Era (Artists eligible 40 years after first achieving national prominence):

Al Dexter
Anne Murray
Archie Campbell
Asleep At The Wheel
The Bellamy Brothers
Billy Joe Shaver
Billy Walker
Bobbie Gentry
Carson Robison
The Carter Sisters
Charlie Rich
Cowboy Copas
Crystal Gayle
David Allan Coe
David Houston
Del Reeves
Earl Thomas Conley
Eddie Rabbitt
Fiddlin' John Carson
Freddie Hart
Freddy Fender
Gary Stewart
Gene Watson
Gram Parsons
Guy Clark
Hank Locklin
Hawkshaw Hawkins
Jack Greene
Jan Howard
Janie Fricke
Jeannie Seely
Jerry Jeff Walker
Jerry Lee Lewis
Jimmy C. Newman
Jimmy Martin
John Anderson
John Conlee
John Denver
Johnny Horton
Johnny Paycheck
Johnny Rodriguez
Johnny Russell
June Carter Cash
Larry Gatlin & The Gatlin Brothers
Lee Greenwood
Leroy Van Dyke
Linda Martell
Linda Ronstadt
Lorrie Morgan
Lynn Anderson
Mac Davis
The Maddox Brothers & Rose
Mickey Gilley
Milton Brown
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
The Osborne Brothers
Ralph Stanley
Red Sovine
Rodney Crowell
Rosanne Cash
Skeeter Davis
Slim Whitman
The Stanley Brothers
Stonewall Jackson
Tanya Tucker
Tompall & The Glaser Brothers
Townes Van Zandt
Vern Gosdin
Wanda Jackson
The Wilburn Brothers
Wynn Stewart

Modern Era (Artists eligible 20 years after first achieving national prominence):

Alison Krauss
Blake Shelton
Brad Paisley
The Chicks
Clint Black
Diamond Rio
Dwight Yoakam
Faith Hill
The Flatlanders
Kathy Mattea
Keith Urban
Keith Whitley
Kenny Chesney
LeAnn Rimes
Lonestar
Martina McBride
Pam Tillis
Patty Loveless
Rascal Flatts
Restless Heart
Shania Twain
Steve Earle
Steve Wariner
Tim McGraw
Toby Keith
Trace Adkins
Travis Tritt
Trisha Yearwood

Now, Out of all of the acts that I mentioned, Which one from the Veterans category and Which one from the Modern category do you think will be announced as the 2022 Country Music Hall of Fame inductees on Tuesday?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 17:31pm

Richie

Gonna be very honest and blunt: i do not care. It's country music and i really don't care. They could induct spade cooley and i probably wouldn't think less of the country hall cause i don't think about the country hall at all.

Would rather talk about honorary oscars or the wwe hall of fame

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 18:26pm

Mary J. Blige is receiving the Billboard Icon Award tonight at the 2022 Billboard Music Awards, Mary was nominated for the Rock Hall last year in 2021 but didn't get in, so do you guys think that her Billboard Icon Award honor will help her to get her back on the ballot and get a second Rock Hall nomination next year for the 2023 ballot?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 19:15pm

Richie

No it's a nice honour but not a big deal for the Rock Hall. Sure some inductees have gotten it including one who got it a year prior (Janet Jackson) but you know it didn't get Cher, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion (lol she won't get in anytime soon tbh) and Garth Brooks (lol probably the same as Celine) on the ballot.

Posted by mat r on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 20:59pm

Which 2022 nominees do you see being nominated again next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 05/15/2022 @ 23:27pm

Richie,

There are some stunning omissions from the Country Music Hall, but I'd go with John Denver as the classic artist and Dwight Yoakam (my personal all-time favorite country artist) for the modern one.

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 06:49am

Sadly, there are members of the community who have problems with restraint.

I replied to a tweet from Troy Smith on something Hall related and for the next few days Bill G kept spamming the damn post. Like, get a grip!

Ain't you tired?

Posted by rorschach on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 11:49am

Assuming seven acts per class, and 15 more years, Who do you see being the 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033, 2034, 2035, 2036 and 2037 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 14:41pm

Richie, that's a rather long AND loaded question. I'll give you an answer, though, and here it is:

Don't worry about tomorrow. Worry about today. Here and now.

You catch my drift, Richie?

Posted by Johnny on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 15:09pm

Richie needs to get a hobby.

Posted by JVS on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 15:19pm

Richie can be repetitive, and persistent, but he's a fun diversion here.

He will always post his stuff. No need to badger him overmuch. Just keep the talks going...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 16:29pm

I don't know Richie. Let's not ahead of ourselves.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 17:19pm

Greg F,

What are your early predictions for the 2023 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 17:29pm

richie

I'm bored at work

23: Mariah Carey, Devo, The B52s, Bad Company, Wu-Tang Clan, Tracy Chapman, Weird Al

24: Lauryn Hill, Oasis, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Snoop Dogg, The Guess Who, Soundgarden

25: Missy Elliott, Outkast, Coldplay, Billy Idol, Foreigner, Blink-182, Fiona Apple

26: George Michael, Mary J Blige, Boston, Tool, Weezer, Sheryl Crow, Alicia Keys

27: The White Stripes, Destiny's Child, Britney Spears, Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, Cher, Dr. Dre

28: Nickelback, Rage Against the Machine, Justin Timberlake, Björk, Tears for Fears, Nas, No Doubt

29: Beyoncé, Daft Punk, Billy Squire, Pet Shop Boys, Beck, Suzi Quatro, A Tribe Called Quest

30: 50 Cent, The Smiths, Television, The Strokes, My Chemical Romance, Miami Sound Machine, Sade

31: The Black Keys, Arcade Fire, Rihanna, Tori Amos, Alanis Morissette, The Killers, New Edition, Bad Religion

32: Taylor Swift, Slipknot, Smashing Pumpkins, Black Eyed Peas, LCD Soundsystem, Boys II Men, Salt-N-Peppa

33: DMX, Liz Phair, Fallout Boys, Lil Wayne, Aaliyah, INXS, Garth Brooks

34: Lady Gaga, Pulp, PJ Harvey, Motley Crue, Arctic Monkeys, Ludacris Alice in Chains

35: John Legend, Drake, Kendrick Lamar, Tyler the Creator, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Neko Case, Adele

36: Franz Ferdinand, Bruno Mars, Hole, Vampire Weekend, TLC, Backstreet Boys, Pavement

37: The Weeknd, Frank Ocean, The Replacements, Manic Street Preachers, Lana Del Rey, Match Box Twenty, Norah Jones

38: System of the Down, Maroon Five, Queens of the Stone Age, Amy Winehouse, Janelle Monae, Chemical Brothers, Broken Social Scene

Kanye West is blacklisted

80s get pretty much drowned out by 90s and 00s fairly quick

Hall starts looking internationally

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 17:45pm

RG,

Did you forget I asked for an update on the hits of the inductees or have you just been busy? Sorry if it's the latter, but I would like to know.

You could go back on the 2021 inductee page (because I remember it being there), copy, paste, then add the new acts.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 18:48pm

Mat R,

Which acts do you see getting backdoor inductions in the side categories in the next 15 years (2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033, 2034, 2035, 2036, 2037 and 2038)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 18:49pm

Richie I already answered your question. My answer hasn't changed.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 19:49pm

Greg F,

I think that out of your early predictions for the 2023 nominees (Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Cher, Devo, INXS, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Fela Kuti, Cyndi Lauper, Motley Crue, Willie Nelson, OutKast, Suzi Quatro, Diana Ross, Smashing Pumpkins, Dionne Warwick and Wu-Tang Clan). I think the following acts would get inducted:

Cher
INXS
Cyndi Lauper
Willie Nelson
OutKast
Diana Ross
Dionne Warwick

As much as I love Wu-Tang Clan, I just don't see them getting in FYN, especially if A Tribe Called Quest couldn't do it, If A Tribe Called Quest couldn't get in FYN, then I highly doubt Wu-Tang Clan will as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 20:29pm

Richie

Wu-Tang is a bigger deal than Tribe. Like a much bigger deal. Like everyone owns their shirt. Like everyone had sung "Shimmy shimmy ya, shimmy yam, shimmy yay" while doing something awesome. Like everyone knows who RZA, GZA, Ghostface, Method Man, Raekwon, and ODB are. Like people want to hang with who are cool with Quentin Tarantino and Bill Murray and the Wu-Tang Clan are that.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 21:53pm

Actually Wu-Tang will be a good test of the concept of music collectives post-Grateful Dead and Parliament-Funkadelic. Odd Future, Animal Collective, Broken Social Scene, Brockhampton, ASAP Mob, Bomb the Music Industry, and The New Pornographers are all collective that are much stronger together than their individual projects.

Collectives offer a really unique opportunity for the Hall in the future to cover a lot of ground in indie and rap with just a handful of nominations. Like Broken Social Scene, Animal Collective, and The New Pornographers cover like half of the major indie acts of the early 2000s while Odd Future gets not only Tyler, Frank, and Earl but also several popular producers.

Posted by mat r on Monday, 05/16/2022 @ 22:19pm

Mat R,

Love your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 15 years, but there is one thing that I want to say and that is you listed Alicia Keys for 2026, Alicia doesn't become eligible until the following year (2027), So, Could you move her to 2027 and replace her with the one of the acts that you have listed for 2027 (The White Stripes, Destiny's Child, Britney Spears, Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, Cher and Dr. Dre) and move them to 2026?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 00:07am

just swap her with maiden

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 00:45am

I am giving thought to who will induct each inductee. It requires some thought. I will mull this over awhile. Someone suggested Bryan Ferry for Duran Duran. That's the one that I'm most sure of. I'd love hear some ideas.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 05:29am

Technically Alicia Keys becomes eligible in 2023. She had first song released on Men in Black: The Album called Dah Dee Dah (Sexy Thing). A lot of people seem to forget about that song.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 05:43am

Ben,

My predictions of presenters for this year's ceremony:

Melissa Etheridge - Pat Benatar
Nile Rodgers - Duran Duran
Elton John - Eminem
Sting - Eurythmics
Dave Mustaine - Judas Priest
Miley Cyrus - Dolly Parton
Diana Ross - Lionel Richie
Cat Stevens - Carly Simon
Usher - Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
Spike Lee & Chuck D - Harry Belafonte
Brittany Howard - Elizabeth Cotten
Missy Elliott - Sylvia Robinson
John Mellencamp - Allen Grubman
Lady Gaga - Jimmy Iovine

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 06:24am

My predictions for presenters.

Pink- Pat Benatar
Harry Styles - Duran Duran
Kendrick Lamar - Eminem
Lady Gaga - Eurythmics
Lizzy Hale - Judas Priest
Kacey Musgraves - Dolly Parton
Diana Ross - Lionel Richie
Mandy Moore - Carly Simon
Janet Jackson - Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
Chuck D - Harry Belafonte
Rhiannon Giddens - Elizabeth Cotten
Missy Elliott - Sylvia Robinson
Bruce Springsteen - Allen Grubman
Stevie Nicks - Jimmy Iovine

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 07:27am

Jordan Einstein

I like the pick of Gaga for Iovine. He's linked to so many people but she's probably one of the interscooe big 4 (with Dre, Eminem, and NIN).

I feel like Richie might be done by someone outside of music.

Kind of surprised by the Missy doing Robinson pick. It makes sense but I'd worry it would be like jay-z doing grandmaster flash. Someone older who maybe worked with her feels like a more sensible pick. Flash comes to mind but oddly your Belafonte inducter Spike Lee does too, as his first non-student project was a music video she hired him to do for flash.

Just some thoughts

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 13:28pm

Mat R,

When you mean someone outside from music who are you referring to?

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 19:59pm

Jordan Einstein

Like a celebrity from outside of music. The is insanely connected. Could be Spielberg, Kimmel, Oprah, Cowell, Aykroyd, Barkley. Anyone of those people would make perfect sense to induct him. It could even be Nicole Richie.

Posted by MAt r on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 20:24pm

Jerry Lee Lewis has now become the 14th person to be inducted into both the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and the Country Music Hall of Fame, the others being:

Jimmie Rodgers (Country Music Hall of Fame in 1961, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1986)
Hank Williams (Country Music Hall of Fame in 1961, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1987)
Johnny Cash (Country Music Hall of Fame in 1980, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1992)
Bill Monroe (Country Music Hall of Fame in 1970, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1997)
Elvis Presley (Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1986, Country Music Hall of Fame in 1998)
Bob Wills (Country Music Hall of Fame in 1968, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1999)
The Everly Brothers (Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1986, Country Music Hall of Fame in 2001)
Sam Phillips (Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1986, Country Music Hall of Fame in 2001)
Brenda Lee (Country Music Hall of Fame in 1997, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2002)
Chet Atkins (Country Music Hall of Fame in 1973, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2002)
Floyd Cramer (Country Music Hall of Fame and Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2003)
Ray Charles (Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1986, Country Music Hall of Fame in 2021)
Dolly Parton (Country Music Hall of Fame in 1999, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2022)
Jerry Lee Lewis (Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1986, Country Music Hall of Fame in 2022)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 20:27pm

James hetfield should be inducted so the rockists' heads can explode

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 21:34pm

Richie

You asked about side categories so here lol

Award for Musical Excellence
-Big Names
MC5, Dionne Warwick, Motorhead, Eric B and Rakim, Chaka Khan, Patti Labelle, Big Daddy Kane, Jethro Tull, Slayer, Warren Zevon, Captain Beefheart, Eric Burdon and War, The Meters, New York Dolls, Willie Nelson, Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman, Los Lobos, The Roots

-Individuals
Damon Albarn, Robert Fripp, Ronnie James Dio, Sia, Stephin Merritt, Ice T, Brian Wilson, Kat Bush, Ian MacKaye, Kathleen Hanna, Danny Elfman, Fela Kuti, John Coltrane, Giorgio Moroder

-Producers
Brian Eno, Timberland, The Neptunes, Daniel Lanois, Nigel Godrich, Jermaine Dupri, Steve Albini, Bob Ezrin, Lee Perry

-Sidemen and Sidewomen
Carol Kaye, Jaco Pastorius, Doug Yule, Philip Glass, David Campbell, John 5, Dan Wilson, Merry Clayton, The Famous Flames, Lenny Kaye, The Funk Brothers

Early Influence
-Pre-Rock and Non-Rock
Ella Fitzgerald, Frank Sinatra, Count Basie, Buck Owens and the Buckaroos, Jay Hawkins, Chuck Willis, Cole Porter, Buddy Rich, The Carter Family, Memphis Jug Band, Judy Garland, Bob Fosse, Wendy Carlos, Ravi Shankar

-Post-Rock
Paul Anka, Cliff Richard, The Flying Burrito Brothers, The Kingsmen, Love, The Amboy Dukes, Blue Cheer, Harry Nilsson, Richard Hell, Thin Lizzy, Suicide, The Last Poets, Kool and the Gang, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Boogie Down Productions, Sonic Youth, DJ Cool Herc, Selena

Non-Performer
Daniel Ek, George Beauchamp, Diddy, Bob Rock, Ryan Schreiber, Annie Nightengale, Robert Pittman, Marcel Bezençon, Hype Williams, Max Martin, Tom Wilson, Geoff Travis, Bernie Taupin, C. Michael Greene, Robert Christgau, Estelle Axton, Sharon Osbourne, Michael Rapino, Ed Sullivan, Bruce Pavitt, Jonathan Poneman, The Bomb Squad, Dewey Phillips, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Simon Fuller

Posted by mat r on Tuesday, 05/17/2022 @ 21:43pm

Joe Cocker
Canned Heat
Devo
The B-52's
Lou Rawls
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Iron Maiden
Supertramp
Jethro Tull
Boston
Motley Crue
Bad Company
Motley Crue
Huey Lewis and the News
Steve Winwood
George Thorogood and the Destroyers
Dick Dale and His Del Tones
Jackie Brenston and His Delta Cats
America
Foghat

Posted by Garrus on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 01:18am

My predictions for Presenters. At least for now

Melissa Etheridge-Pat Benatar
Bryan Ferry- Duran Duran
Elton John-Eminem
Sting-Eurythmics
Bruce Dickinson- Judas Priest
Miley Cyrus - Dolly Parton
Babyface - Lionel Richie
Art Garfunkel - Carly Simon
Janet Jackson - Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
Spike Lee - Harry Belafonte
Brittany Howard - Elizabeth Cotten
Grandmaster Flash - Sylvia Robinson
John Mellencamp - Allen Grubman
Chrissie Hynde - Jimmy Iovine

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 06:28am

Foghat? REALLY, Garrus????

Posted by EDS on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 08:09am

Yeah, I'd LOVE to see Lou Rawls in, and the B-52's, Winwood, ELP and America. But you lost me at Motley Crue and Foghat.

Posted by DC on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 10:12am

Legit question: when was the last time anyone hear put on a song or record by America or George Thorogood and the Destroyers or heard a song by either on radio that wasn't "Horse with No Name" or "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer" or "Bad to the Bone"?

Posted by mat r on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 10:34am

Mat R,

Very nice predictions of presenters for Lionel Richie, I would think Oprah Winfrey might be inducting him. Also nice picks for the side categories!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 12:28pm

My Updated Hateful Eight of Rock Hall Snubs I DON'T want in:

1. Styx
2. Grand Funk Railroad
3. Mariah Carey
4. Three Dog Night
5. Barbra Streisand
6. Kansas
7. Barry Manilow
8. Foghat

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 12:51pm

I think the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame has done an excellent job in recent years with their nomination slates and final induction classes. People will always disagree on who should be nominated and who earns induction. Here's some KING Nominations and hopes these artists or groups are nominated and inducted someday.
1. Stone Temple Pilots 2. Procol Harum 3. Queensryche 4. Megadeth 5. Bread 6. Ace Frehley (Solo) 7. Smashing Pumpkins 8. Kool & The Gang 9. INXS 10. Gram/Emmylou 11. Ozzy Osbourne (Solo) 12. The Sonics 13. Iron Maiden 14. Mariah Carey 15. Emerson Lake & Palmer 16. Lenny Kravitz 17. The Bangles 18. Robert Plant (Solo) 19. Brooks & Dunn 20. My Chemical Romance 21. Foreigner 22. Soundgarden 23. Alice In Chains 24. Garth Brooks 25. Shania Twain and others. Who is 1 1960's group, 1 1970's artist, 1 1980's group, and 1 1990's artist you would love to see Inducted? I'd like to see John Denver & Willie Nelson earn Induction 1 day. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 12:53pm

Lots of things to answer but I'll tackle Mat R's first...I hear a lot of Thorogood on the local stations here..."I Drink Alone", "Move It On Over", and "Get A Haircut", but yes, you have a valid point.

Plebeain,

Your Hateful Eight list is commendable, but of those listed, only Mariah Carey is a slam dunk. The music fan in me loves Kansas and especially the underrated Foghat, but your other choices to me are negligible. Here's my Hateful 8:

1. Justin Bieber
2. Barbara Streisand
3. ok, I need to come back to this. I love too much music to knock out 8 I don't want to see inducted, unless I can throw up a bunch of country artists not named Jason Aldean and Dierks Bentley lol

I'll answer King's query shortly

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 14:38pm

King

60s: The Guess Who - I know a lot of Americans often think of them as one of the disposable late 60s pop acts but they're crazy important to Canadian rock.

70s: Suicide - highly intense duo who helped popularize industrial sounds stateside while also influencing new wave and heartland rock.

80s: New Edition - not a group I'm a big fan of but when you look at them and what came after you can't really deny how influential they are on RnB and rap. Plus outside of New Edition every member had a great deal of success and influence on their own.

90s: Liz Phair - people talk about Kate Bush, Soundgarden, NO/JD, and The Smiths being the big alternative snubs but Liz is just as influential and I don't even think her influence has peak yet unlike the other 4 i mentioned

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 15:35pm

I would like to share the list of acts who will never see an nomination/induction based on how irrelevant they are.

1. Ted Nugent
2. Boston
3. Poison
4. Meat Loaf
5. Rainbow
6. Styx
7. Bad Company
8. Ratt
9. Cinderella
10. Milli Vanilli
11. Whitesnake
12. REO Speedwagon
13. Loverboy
14. Marky Mark & Funky Bunch
15. Triumph
16. Twisted Sister
17. Mayhem
18. GG Allin
19. Little River Band
20. The Nice
21. Molly Hatchet
22. Kansas
23. Hot Tuna
24. 38 Special
25. Asia
26. Nickelback
27. Creed
28. Rick Astley
29. Kid Rock
30. Foghat
31. Mountain
32. Gary Glitter
33. Limp Bizkit
34. BTO
35. Bread

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 16:04pm

Joe Cocker is added as honorable mention.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 16:11pm

Forgot to add Eddie Money on my list!

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 17:47pm

Jordan Einstein

You know darn well meat loaf will get in someday. Bat out of hell is too massive and influential.

Nickelback will also likely get in because they were like one of 4 rock bands in the 2000s that actually really mattered to the mainstream.

If journey and carly simon are in off of the power of one song everyone loves then boston and twisted sister can get in.

Bad company have too many strong parts to not get in.

BTO won't but they help the Guess Who or Randy Bachman's (via AME) chances.

Does Nugent include with Amboy Dukes? Cause I feel they might induct them as Early Influence if they start doing the big Nuggets bands.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 19:35pm

Jordan Einstein, let's not limit our list to white boys. There's plenty of people of color that are just as irrelevant.

DeBarge
Expose
Gloria Gaynor
Lipps Inc.
Musical Youth
Peaches & Herb
Raydio
Sister Sledge
Tavares
Taylor Dayne
The Brothers Johnson
The Emotions
The Sylvers
The Trammps
Vanity 6

Posted by Elmodad on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 20:15pm

Follower,

Sorry for the wait, I couldn't find the old document I had and the 2021 inductee page is no longer active so I had to start from scratch. Got it though.

Artists with 30+ Billboard Top 40 Hits:
76 - Elvis Presley
58 - Elton John
53 - Jay-Z
51 - Eminem [2022 INDUCTEE]
50 - The Beatles
49 - Madonna
48 - James Brown
45 - Stevie Wonder
44 - Michael Jackson
43 - Aretha Franklin
41 - Marvin Gaye, The Rolling Stones
39 - Paul McCartney
38 - The Four Seasons, The Temptations
37 - Neil Diamond
36 - Fats Domino
35 - Chicago, Ray Charles, Ricky Nelson
34 - The Beach Boys, Rod Stewart
33 - Billy Joel
32 - The Supremes
30 - Bee Gees, Prince, Whitney Houston

2022 Inductees with 4-29 Hits:
16 - Lionel Richie
15 - Duran Duran, Pat Benatar
13 - Carly Simon
10 - Eurythmics
8 - Dolly Parton
7 - Harry Belafonte

Artists With 3 Hits or Fewer:
3 - AC/DC, The Allman Brothers Band, Beastie Boys, Cream, The Cure, Deep Purple, Eddie Cochran, Foo Fighters, Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers, Gene Vincent, The Moonglows, Neil Young, Parliament-Funkadelic, Ruth Brown, Sam & Dave, Talking Heads, The Zombies

2 - The Band, The Clash, Elvis Costello, Faces, The Flamingos, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane*, Jimmy Cliff, Jimmy Reed, Joan Baez, Leon Russell, Nine Inch Nails, Nirvana, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, Ritchie Valens, Rush

*Jefferson Airplane has only 2 hits, but 11 if you count Jefferson Starship

1 - Bo Diddley, Buffalo Springfield, Carl Perkins, Dr. John, Frank Zappa, The Grateful Dead, Jimi Hendrix, John Lee Hooker, Lou Reed, Nina Simone, NWA, Patti Smith, Public Enemy, Randy Newman, Roxy Music, T Rex

0 - Albert King, Big Joe Turner, Black Sabbath, Bob Marley, Buddy Guy, Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five, Jeff Beck, Judas Priest [2022 INDUCTEE], Laura Nyro, Leonard Cohen, Miles Davis, Muddy Waters, Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Ramones, Sex Pistols, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Stooges, Tom Waits, Traffic, The Velvet Underground

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 21:29pm

Not to intrude, but it seems the Smashing Pumpkins are doing a joint tour with Jane's Addiction. Really cool. Highly unlikely, but it might give cool consideration for the former and reappearance of the latter. I think SP would do very well in the fan vote and might have support from the voting body. Jane might suffer from Beck and be left in the dust. Sidenote would also scratch off from my lists and personal Magnificent Seven. Just love those two so much.

Posted by Plebeian on Wednesday, 05/18/2022 @ 23:07pm

Elmodad, Taylor Dayne is white lol

Also, if Disco was as respected a rock and roll subgenre as Reggae was, Gloria Gaynor should be the Jimmy Cliff to Donna Summer's Bob Marley but alas, a band as important as Chic couldn't even get in.

Posted by rorschach on Thursday, 05/19/2022 @ 02:39am

Quite a few questions from the last couple days. I'll start with my Hateful 8. I'm only going to include artists that I think have at least some small chance of induction. Hating on Milli Vanilli is too easy and serves no point.

1. Mariah Carey (I know she's going to get in soon, but I find her music to be so completely bland and uninspiring)
2. Britney Spears
3. Tool
4. Ted Nugent
5. Billy Ocean
6. Blink-182
7. Violent Femmes
8. Cake

My most desired artists from each decade are:

1960's - Tommy James and the Shondells - It kinda boggles my mind that they haven't even been nominated considering how many of their songs were covered for hits by other artists.
1970's - Big Star - Lots to choose from in this decade, but their influence is too far-reaching to be ignored.
1980's - Phil Collins - He was EVERYWHERE in the 80's and could very well be the next double inductee.
1990's - Smashing Pumpkins - Now that Duran Duran are in, they are the Hall's current biggest snub in my eyes. Also considered Outkast.

As for America and George Thorogood, I've got a few songs from each of them on my personal favorites playlist. Ventura Highway and Sister Golden Hair in particular are a couple of my all-time favorites. Thorogood is just fun and a bit underrated.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 05/19/2022 @ 08:55am

I feel weird about the pumpkins chances cause let's be real people hate corgan but love the pumpkins output, even modern stuff is generally well recieved. He's had issues with way too many powerful people and it seems ti have caused his personal stock to fall heavily, he's also like tugent and morrissey in that he has annoying politics and some troubling connections but outside of wrestling (where he's hired and booked a fox news host to be a top star) he's generally stirred clear of politics and controversy for a while now and kind of presented himself as more open than he was, unlike nuge or moz. The music speaks for itself, the pumpkins should be hall of famers but a lot of their viability seems to hinge on corgan being likable.

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 05/19/2022 @ 10:38am

RG,

Thank you! And if you want to find the pages for the older classes, just type .php in the url, like here:

https://futurerocklegends.com/2021_Inductees.php

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/19/2022 @ 14:22pm

Also, last time you said Elvis had 105 hits, but now he has 76? What happened?

You also said that counting Jefferson Starship and Starship the "three" groups have 15 hits last time.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/19/2022 @ 14:29pm

KING QUICK TALK
Have to agree with some of the posters here as Smashing Pumpkins is 1 of the biggest snubs. Corgan is a musical genius and they recorded some of my FAV 90's songs. 1979, Bullet With Butterfly Wings, Cherub Rock, Disarm, Lilly (My One And Only), Thirty-Three, Today etc. I was very surprised they were not 1st year Inductees. More amazing they have never been nominated.
Richie is always talking about who benefits when 1 group is inducted. I think Motley Crue & The Bangles are 2 that jump out. Motley Crue are famous and fit the Fame part. They commercially have sold millions of albums. Bon Jovi & Def Leppard have been inducted for a few years now. Judas Priest has been inducted in 2022. Motley Crue is a legitimate next in line. They would probably win the Fan Vote. Iron Maiden keeps shooting themselves in the foot by not being positive about the Hall Of Fame. Especially Bruce Dickinson. They however continued to nominate Radiohead & Todd Rundgren and a few others who were lukewarm about a nomination. The Smiths might earn a backdoor induction. Morrissey appears to be a polarizing figure. They deserve to be inducted like Depeche Mode and The Cure.
I think there will be pressure to induct a female rap artist and group. I have Salt N Pepa on my list in 2022-2023. Shoop is 1 of my FAV songs and video is outstanding. INXS might finally be nominated in 2022-2023 but Bryan Adams, Motley Crue, or The Bangles could receive the 80's slot. The B-52s as well.
My guess A Tribe Called Quest, DEVO, and Beck will return leaving 12-15 spots for new nominees. 2022-2023 is setting up as 1 of the best nomination classes yet. The rise in social media has helped in nominating certain groups and discussing their merits. Also, the RRHOF has done an excellent job in recent nomination cycles. Selecting diverse and interesting ballots.
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 05/19/2022 @ 15:48pm

So cause we're still talking 90s, I'm curious cause Eminem just got in and Missy, Beyonce (via DC), Outkast, Daft Punk, Queens of the Stone Age, Robyn, D'Angelo, Wilco, Modest Mouse, Muse, and Nickelback are eligible: Which 2000s artists do you think will be next?

Not to mention in 2024, Britney, White Stripes, Coldplay, and System of a Down enter the scene

Note: I know some of these artists got big in the 90s. I'm listing them as 2000s cause they all peaked creatively and commercially in the 2000s

Posted by mat r on Thursday, 05/19/2022 @ 21:41pm

mat r,

Of the artists you mentioned, I could maybe see Outkast getting in if they receive a nom next year. I don't think we'll have any FYE noms, though if there was it would be Missy. I know you're high on Destiny's Child because of Beyonce, but we just saw with Lionel that they don't need to induct the original group to honor the desired individual, so I think they'll wait. If no Outkast next year, then Coldplay and White Stripes will be first, as they will both get nommed/inducted the following year.

Others on your list are among my favorites (especially Modest Mouse & QOTS), but I don't see them getting any attention any time soon. Eventually yes, but not in the next few years. I'd guess Daft Punk would be the first from the rest of that list.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 06:34am

Michael w

Largely agree. I think coldplay are the only one who will walk in, missy will be the victim of the rap backlog and lauryn hill being eligible 2024, and white stripes will have a similar route to nine inch nails.

I get the lionel comparison but DC do have an edge beyond the beyonce factor (but admittedly that is a big factor) as they do wonders for the hall's image with regards to inducting not just women but women of colour. Bands are the best way to deal with that and of the big 80s, 90s, 00s woman dominant groups (so salt-n-peppa, tlc, spice girls, hole, sleatet-kinney) DC probably have the best shot other than maybe the bangles. You're probably right but i wouldn't be shocked if they are nominated before beyonce is eligible.

Surprised you didn't mention Britney. She seems extremely polarizing here but definitely gonna be the contender to watch. Wouldn't be shocked if she quickly becomes the #1 biggest snub.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 11:11am

Yeah, I just don't think Britney has the level of respect in the industry to get nominated that quickly. She may eventually receive consideration, but probably not in the first five years of eligibility. Too many other divas with greater talent and esteem are ahead of her.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 13:28pm

Michael w

I think she does. Blackout is super influential (see the rise of trap pop, dupstep, and hyperpop), toxic is scene as a pop masterpiece (she produced both it and blackout), baby one more launched a whole bunch of copycats (famously christina (who had a micro rebrand), jessica, mandy) and her vegas show was widely important to the revitalization of vegas for young artists such as drake, j lo, and adele. A lot of purists doubt talk about it cause "she can't sing" but she's a widely influential entertainer and incredible performer. And it's worth noting blackout is rs top 500 albums and toxic is in rs top 100 songs

Not to mention she's pretty widely scene as, let's be honest, the cobain like figure who survived and entered a hellscape that she had to fight her way out of. The industry is seen as chew you up and spit you out and Britney kind of has become the ultimate face of that.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 14:03pm

She's also seen by many as as a batsh*t crazy prima donna who started her career as jailbait and pumped out years of disposable schlock that overshadow those few moments of credible work. When artists like Cher and Diana Ross with much longer and more illustrious careers can't even get nominated after decades of eligibility, I find it hard to believe that Britney will just sail in. She'll get looked at eventually, but I don't see it until we approach the 2030's.

And even though Christina Aguilera came shortly after Britney, she is seen as a more complete artist within the industry and has always gotten more respect for her vocal ability, musical output, and career choices.

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 15:02pm

Christina definitely is not seen as a more complete artist and was just as, if not moreso, jailbait ("rub me the right way") who made a lot more forgettable music. She can sing stronger but definitely not as highly rated critically. Like you can dismiss it but britney has a groundbreaking album (blackout) and two widely celebrated classic singles (baby one more time and toxic) that's more than a lot of inductees including most of the 2022 class tbh. She had a period where she was making groundbreaking dance music (2004 to 2007) and then you know it got cut off cause the batshit era happened.

The batshit era is also now seen pretty much as someone who was sick and the hall has not really ever docked someone for that (again cobain and the 27 club all went in pretty quickly and britney'a batshit era happened when she was 27, she just so happened to survive it and end up in a Kafkaesque situation).

I'd also note, diana ross is in and we know the hall is stupid about how is does second inductions and cher probably suffers from being less a singer more an entertainer, it's hard to can her a music icon rather than just icon. Both should be in along with britney.

I actually don't disagree with you on the 2030s being possible. I'm betting 2027 (3rd year eligible) or 2028 on a second nomination but yea 2030 to 2032 wouldn't shock me.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 15:22pm

RG and Plebeian,

Assuming seven acts per class, Who do you see being the 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033, 2034, 2035, 2036, 2037 and 2038 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 17:39pm

Richie,

Please stop bothering me man!

If it will get you off my back I will 2023-2028 and that's it.

2023:
Dionne Warwick
Cyndi Lauper
The B-52's
George Michael
Thin Lizzy
Willie Nelson
The Smashing Pumpkins

2024:
Rage Against The Machine
Coldplay
The White Stripes
Devo
OutKast
Diana Ross
Emmylou Harris

2025:
Soundgarden
Weezer
A Tribe Called Quest
Joy Division/New Order
Mariah Carey (ew)
Alanis Morissette
Bad Company

2026:
Iron Maiden
Wu-Tang Clan
Missy Elliott
Shania Twain
The Smiths
Weird Al Yankovic
Pavement

2027:
Justin Timberlake
Mary J. Blige
Dave Matthews Band
Alice In Chains
The Bangles
Kate Bush
Beck

2028:
Stone Temple Pilots
Jane's Addiction
Sheryl Crow
Garth Brooks
Daft Punk
The Strokes
TLC

There you go and have fun.

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 20:57pm

Now with the Hall inducting acts like Judas Priest, Kraftwerk & 'LL Cool J in the side categories just because they don't have enough votes & support from the committee, this will be a permanent pattern for the ones who kept on getting snubbed & are way past eligible for it. So with that said, here's some acts that would eventually get inducted under Musical Excellence & Early Influence.

Musical Excellence: Motorhead, Thin Lizzy, Warren Zevon, Chaka Khan, J. Geils Band, King Crimson, Devo, Kate Bush, Fela Kuti, Ronnie James Dio, War, Kool & The Gang & Gram Parsons.

Early Influence: MC5, New York Dolls, Dick Dale, Big Mama Thornton, Link Wray, Dionne Warwick, Willie Nelson, Sparks, Suzi Quatro, Ella Fitzgerald, Gordon Lightfoot, John Coltrane, Frank Sinatra, Waylon Jennings & Duke Ellington.

These are the ones who will be considered for induction under these categories.

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 22:06pm

Plebeian,

Love your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 6 years, but there is one thing that I want to say, You listed Justin Timberlake for 2027, He doesn't become eligible until the following year for the 2028 class, Could you please add one more name to the 2027 list instead of Justin Timberlake?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 22:16pm

Jordan Einstein

Largely agree (as you could see from my list)

Kind curious if they add a category or break up Musical Excellence (into like Musical Excellence - for names and producers - and like Outstanding Contribution - for sidemen) and Early Influence (by era maybe) to make everything flow more smoothly as the Priest induction has been kind of polarizing because of the history as "The Sideman Award".

Posted by mat r on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 22:17pm

Richie,

Switch Timberlake for Motörhead

Posted by Plebeian on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 22:24pm

Jordan Einstein,

Assuming seven acts per class, Who do you see being the 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033, 2034, 2035, 2036, 2037 and 2038 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/20/2022 @ 23:09pm

Richie mate, surely you don't need to know that information? That's such a huge question, give the guy a break

Posted by DS on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 03:14am

on to RG's question of who I would like to see in from each decade:

1960s: If you have seen my posts for any length of time, it should come as no surprise that I think the Monkees should be in like 2 decades ago. Davy, Peter, Michael and Micky were brought in as an imaginary band composed of 4 actors, but they became a real band very rapidly. While they may be knocked for not writing their own biggest hits, someone had to sing them, and someone had to perform them. They remain the biggest omission from the 1960s, and I only hope they can get theri rightful place in Cleveland while at least one is still alive.

1970s: Mat r, I'm sorry that you're not going to like this, but I'm going to say Bad Company. It starts with Paul Rodgers; the man has done so much for the music industry, and he should be in with the group he is most famous for. The term "supergroup" can be an insult--the Traveling Wilburys, Temple of the Dog, Chickenfoot--these are all supergroups; they are great musicians from accomplished bands who have gotten together for an album or 2. Bad Company has been constant since 1974, and has released 11 or so albums. They are a real band, not a group of musicians. Paul Rodgers is associated with them far more than his other successful ventures, but unlike Mick Jagger, a man who has done so many collaborations but rightly gets included with the Stones, too many people think Rodgers is part of Free or the Firm on the same level as BC. Preposterous, and they should by far be the most prominent group not to yet see the bright lights. An honorable mention, just because the Hall is stuck in the mud when it comes to honoring the full impact of 70s r and b, soul, and funk, goes to the Spinners.

1980s: This is beginning to get difficult, because we are getting to a point where the most influential and deserving acts have largely been put in. I'd probably have to throw Iron Maiden in here, because they are more recognizable than someone like Anthrax or Slayer, and my absolute wish Pantera is more of a 90s act. Metal finally is getting some recognition a bit deeper, even if it was through a side door, with Priest getting in. Honorable mentions are Cyndi Lauper and Joy Division/New Order, since these probably will be on the ballot in 2023

1990s: I'd throw the Pumpkins in here, but that's too predictable. Since I've gone rock heavy on all my other decade choices, I'm going to put TLC here. The 90s did shift more fully from rock and pop dominating the charts in equal shares to going almost exclusively with softer music, and more controversially, groups of singers instead of traditional bands. Rap has gotten a heavy dose of inductions from the 90s thus far, but more traditional r&b from the same decade hasn't been really represented. TLC is a mix of everything hip hop; the three ladies each have their own styles, and it meshes so well together. They are also the friendliest choice to the rrhof in terms of both popularity and a compelling story.

There's my wish list.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 04:20am

CORRECTION: King's query, not RG's.

Apologies

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 04:25am

Richie, what a loaded question I might not answer in that particular order but I'll try my best. I'll also include special categories as well.

2023
Beck
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
A Tribe Called Quest

Early Influence:
MC5
New York Dolls

Musical Excellence:
Chaka Khan
Fela Kuti

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Ed Sullivan

2024
Coldplay
De La Soul
Alanis Morissette
Motley Crue
Diana Ross
The Smiths

Early Influence:
John Coltrane
Duke Ellington
Sparks

Musical Excellence:
Kate Bush
Devo
Thin Lizzy

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Barrett Strong & Norman Whitfield

2025
Lauryn Hill
Cyndi Lauper
OutKast
Rage Against the Machine
Sonic Youth
Britney Spears

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton
Ella Fitzgerald
Willie Nelson

Musical Excellence:
Kool & The Gang
Warren Zevon
Ronnie James Dio

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Don Cornelius

2026
The Bangles
Mary J. Blige
DMX
Pixies
Smashing Pumpkins
TLC

Early Influence:
Dick Dale
Link Wray

Musical Excellence:
Motorhead
Hubert Sumlin

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Jim Sullivan

2027
Christina Aguilera
Alicia Keys
INXS
Lil Wayne
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

Early Influence:
Scott Joplin
Suzi Quatro
Dionne Warwick

Musical Excellence:
King Crimson
The Monkees
Slayer

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Estelle Axton

2028
Alice in Chains
Fiona Apple
Mariah Carey
Daft Punk
Rihanna
Justin Timberlake

Early Influence:
Frank Sinatra
The Sonics

Musical Excellence:
Luther Vandross
The Replacements

2029
Beyonce
Garth Brooks
Jane's Addiction
Stone Temple Pilots
Kanye West
Amy Winehouse

Early Influence:
Gordon Lightfoot
Sonny Boy Williamson II

Musical Excellence:
Jethro Tull
The Ohio Players

Ahmet Ertugun Award:
Ashford & Simpson

2030
Kelly Clarkson
Destiny's Child
George Michael
Queens of The Stone Age
Weezer
Wu - Tang Clan

2031
50 Cent
Arcade Fire
Janelle Monae
LCD Soundsystem
Linkin Park
Sufjan Stevens

Musical Excellence:
Paul Rodgers
Toto

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 07:16am

Something interesting about this class that I just thought now, this is the first time in 2 years since we don't see any multiple inductees & considering that there's 26 artists being inducted more than once there could be a few more in the future. What do you think?

Posted by Jordan Einstein on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 08:45am

K-dawg

But i like bad company and think they'll get in in 2023 and champion their induction as having too many impressive players :)

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 08:56am

Jordan Einstein

Yea i was thinking they wanted to cool after doing 3 in 2021. Am kind of curious how many are left that are like vital. You've got diana ross, phil collins, and dr dre as probably the biggest names with the biggest impacts. Maybe nile rogers, steve winwood, eric burdon, ozzy osbourne, robbie robertson, chuck d, ice cube, lionel richie, or even traveling wilburys or power station. That's a lot of names but most are just maybes only three (ross, collins, dre) are vital.

I think they may be more conservative on this front after grohl joined the lennon club but there's still some names coming up that should or could get the double like jack white (should) and beyonce (could). Not to mention guys like johnny marr who aren't in at all yet but could get both a performer induction and musical excellence.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 09:31am

Hey gang, I've released my nominee predictions video for next year like I one I did last year (of which you can find the link for in the Slade and Alice in Chains pages. Im sure theres other ones but I cant remember) heres the link for it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VxD-oBxFaVA

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 10:22am

I would like to see Robert Plant earn a 2nd Induction for his Solo work. He had some great albums in Now And Zen & Fate Of Nations. Plus his work with Allison Krauss. John Fogerty is another one I'd like to see a 2nd Induction. He's still an outstanding vocalist and guitarist. A legend. I think both would sail through if placed on the ballot. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 12:07pm

Out of all the acts that have already been inducted, but need to go in again on their own or as a member of a group, I think that Phil Collins, Diana Ross, Dr. Dre, Matt Cameron (Soundgarden) and maybe Sting are the most likely to see second inductions and join the Clyde McPhatter Club.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 13:14pm

Who do you think will be nominated next year for 2023?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 18:29pm

Richie,
You can see the video link for who I think will get nominated next year.

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 19:20pm

Raichu,

Out of your predictions for the 2023 nominees (Alice In Chains, The B-52's, The Bangles, Beck, Mariah Carey, Daft Punk, Destiny's Child, Devo, Missy Elliott, Roberta Flack, Foreigner, Iron Maiden, King Crimson, George Michael, OutKast, The Replacements, Slade and A Tribe Called Quest). Which ones do you see being inducted (Assuming seven acts)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 19:40pm

Ritchie,
If it were up to me:
Tribe
Beck
Slade
Bangles
Maiden
Crimson
Punk

Knowing the Hall/voters it'd be:
Tribe
Elliot
DC
Foreigner
Carey
Beck
Either B-52s, Flack, or Outkast

Posted by Raichu on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 20:36pm

Raichu,

As much as I love Destiny's Child, I just don't see them as FYE nominees/inductees, I think that they'll get nominated and inducted eventually, but it won't be until after Beyoncé gets in FYE as a solo artist.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 20:58pm

K-Dawg,

When are you gonna post your Mag 7 and rest of your Hateful Eight? Sidenote, did you at least get the references I'm pointing out because you know Westerns?

Posted by Plebeian on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 21:58pm

I'll get to it eventually I hope soon because it's really hard for me to pick people I dint want to see join there since I love so much music. I will get to it and I do get it

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 22:28pm

My Hateful 8 (made up of people I could maybe see getting in)

1. Grand Funk Railroad - This band is THE example of lame boomer music that Homer Simpson likes. Why does people always mention them when the boomers that wrote The Simpsons decided they were lame enough for Homer to have as his favourite band? There are other bands I see mentioned as secondary to them (oddly both Guess Who and ELP) and it makes no sense.

2. Traveling Wilburys - Objectively the worst induction possible because it does nothing other ego stroke.

3. Sean Combs/Diddy/Puff Daddy - I think it's gonna happen very soon but it shouldn't cause he was the blandest mogul in rap and wasn't a top 10 rap producer in his own era and was never a great rapper.

4. Lita Ford - She's bigger solo but just do The Runaways cause they're a more interesting inductee (hey Joan Jett double inductee we all forgot to mention)

5. Bobbie Gentry - Has one song and nothing else is noteworthy about her. She never did much else other than her Glen Campbell record and found the Phoenix Suns. Maybe put her in the Basketball Hall of Fame as a builder.

6. The Village People - A gimmick group that really helped to derail disco from the interesting evolution of rock that it was into this bland gimmick genre. Like "Kung-Fu Fighting," "Disco Star Wars," and "Disco Duck" also played massive roles but the The Village People are the faces of it

7. Butthole Surfers - Actually are a band that was always terrible and the 90s made them big cause Cobain liked them. "Pepper" is a bad parody of a Beck song and their other this are worse. This is a band that was popular cause of their name and edgelord status.

8. The Buggles (as an Early Influence) - They were given a spot cause of the title of a song. They did nothing.

Posted by mat r on Saturday, 05/21/2022 @ 23:34pm

Man, why no love for the Wilburys? That first album is still one of my favorites to listen to. Nothing groundbreaking or anything but just purely enjoyable. I also believe they'd have done more if Orbison hadn't passed. I would love to see them get inducted at some time. With every member getting their second induction and Harrison his third, it would be a quadruple McPhatter with Clapton on the side!

Now that I reread that, I'd also like to order a quadruple McPhatter with a Clapton on the side from a fast food restaurant and see what I get. I'm sure it would be delicious!

Posted by Michael W. on Sunday, 05/22/2022 @ 04:14am

King,
You asked several days ago Who is 1 1960's group, 1 1970's artist, 1 1980's group, and 1 1990's artist we would love to see Inducted?
I will break this up. I'll cover 2 Decades for Now


1960s: I think Tommy James & the Shondells should be inducted. . I think the Monkees should have been in like 2 decades ago also. Davy, Peter, Michael and Micky were brought in as an imaginary band composed of 4 actors, but they became a real band very rapidly. That's true. But Tommy James & the Shondells were always a real band. Him and his band had a lot of hits. He has made a guest appearance at a Ceremony already. It was in 2015 I think. Tommy James & the Shondells is my pick.

1970s: I'm going to say Jethro Tull. Jethro Tull are a British rock band. Initially playing blues rock and jazz fusion, the band soon incorporated elements of English folk, hard rock, and classical music, forging a signature progressive rock sound. They are most known as a leading progressive rock group. The group's bandleader is Ian Anderson, a multi-instrumentalist who mainly plays flute and acoustic guitar, and is also the lead singer. The Flute is a somewhat rare instrument to be featured in rock. Ian Anderson has done great flute solos.
They have some landmark albums . Their musical style shifted in the direction of progressive rock during the 1970s with the albums Aqualung (1971), Thick as a Brick (1972) and A Passion Play (1973), and shifted again to contemporary folk rock with Songs from the Wood (1977), Heavy Horses (1978) and Stormwatch (1979). All these albums are widely known. Well Stormwatch is not as known but continued their success. In the early 80s they got into some electronic rock. And got back to regular rock. Jethro Tull have sustained a long career. This is my pick for the 70s.

Stay tuned for the 1980's and 90s. I often break these bigger features up. That's it for Now