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These artists released their first recording in 1983, which made them first eligible for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2008 (which would be the 2009 Induction Ceremony). For a list of artists who were inducted at the 2009 Ceremony, click here. All currently eligible artists are listed here. Artists aleady inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame can be found here.
Click on any artist to cast your vote!
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Comments299 comments so far (post your own)
id be picking
Posted by martin on Wednesday, 06.13.07 @ 09:17am
This is a pretty "meh" year. Run DMC/SRV are certainly influential, but who isn't bored by their recordings? Proto-rap and blooze...yawn. The Smiths are the other lock and well deserving.
Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 06.13.07 @ 21:09pm
Posted by Kevin on Thursday, 06.14.07 @ 14:22pm
Violent Femmes All the Way!!
Posted by Rick on Tuesday, 07.3.07 @ 14:54pm
On the basis of Soul to Soul---SRV, The Real Deal, period...
Posted by Taylor on Sunday, 07.22.07 @ 21:47pm
No one can ever determine exactly what year a band will be inducted, but of the list of groups who become eligible in 2008, I will give my predictions on who will (or at least my opinions on who should) be inducted, ranking them in order of most deserving.
Posted by Drew on Thursday, 08.23.07 @ 19:09pm
This looks like a good year for artists passed over to make it.
Posted by Gassman on Friday, 08.24.07 @ 23:24pm
Pretty much a lock for The Smiths
Posted by liam on Sunday, 09.9.07 @ 12:06pm
BON JOVI - THE BEST OF THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by diamond ring on Wednesday, 09.19.07 @ 10:08am
How can this be called a ROCK n ROLL Hall of Fame with people like KD Lang and New Edition in it.Dont get me wrong I like New Edition but why does the "HALL" keep ignoring KISS....Can anyone answer me that question!!!!!...Or they already in there and I missed something?
Posted by Matt on Friday, 09.28.07 @ 05:56am
matt wrong place 2 talk about kiss
Posted by martin on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 12:05pm
Its funny seeing all these bands that you think are so worthy of being in the RRHOF.
Posted by Matt on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 18:24pm
I think they should start working on inducting more of the past eligible artist from the 50's and 60's while many are still with us to let them know of their impact.
Posted by KEN on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 19:42pm
An interesting year this could be. It will reveal whether the hall is REALLY about artistic merit and influence (the Smiths, Run DMC etc), or whether it is simply turning/ed lowest common demoninator (see Bon Jovi)
Posted by liam on Friday, 10.5.07 @ 14:57pm
Liam, I'd add Stevie Ray Vaughan to the list as well.
Posted by Antonio on Friday, 10.5.07 @ 16:40pm
"An interesting year this could be. It will reveal whether the hall is REALLY about artistic merit and influence..."
Posted by shawn on Friday, 10.5.07 @ 19:33pm
"Liam, I'd add Stevie Ray Vaughan to the list as well.
Posted by liam on Saturday, 10.6.07 @ 07:20am
"They blew it - AGAIN! And I'm pissed.
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 10.6.07 @ 08:48am
"Dude, I think you need some other outlet or hobby..."
Posted by liam on Saturday, 10.6.07 @ 08:59am
"Dude, I think you need some other outlet or hobby..."
Posted by shawn on Saturday, 10.6.07 @ 10:27am
Just missed those tangential rants, thats all...
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 10.6.07 @ 12:25pm
The Smiths should be a lock. They have the music and the influence. One of the great groups!!!
Posted by Mark on Wednesday, 10.10.07 @ 09:57am
I can't believe we haven't seen Jethro Tull (one of the most innovative bands of their time with the use of the flute), Bad Company, Deep Purple, Steve Miller etc. This is the ROCK and ROLL HALL of FAME is it not. The fact that they put other stuff in before these truly talented musicians and songwriters is beyond belief. Please take a minute and make some important changes to the people doing the nominating.
Posted by frank on Thursday, 10.11.07 @ 12:13pm
METALLICA FOR ROCK HALL NEXT YEAR SINCE IT IS THEIR TRUE DEBUT WITH THE LINE IUP OF JAMES, LARS, KIRK & CLIFF
Posted by Martin on Wednesday, 11.7.07 @ 21:28pm
Stevie Ray Absolutely. Just because he was the best and will never be able to be replaced.
Posted by Fred on Friday, 11.30.07 @ 15:33pm
If Pulp EVER got in, it would be closer to the 25th anniversary of Different Class.
Posted by liam on Tuesday, 12.11.07 @ 13:50pm
When will the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame add something called "credibility" to itself?
Posted by Mike H on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 11:06am
How is Metallica not in the hall in 08. They were THE band that brought heavy metal to the mainstream in the united states. Not metal. Heavy Metal. They spawned hudreds of different thrash metal bands throughout the 80's and early 90's. They deserve their day.
Posted by brett on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 15:51pm
"They were THE band that brought heavy metal to the mainstream in the united states."
Posted by liam on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 16:09pm
Yeah, but led zep was a blues based rock band for the most part. I would say Metallica brought "heavy" metal to the mainstream. Whether that is good or bad, is a different discussion.
Posted by Matzo Ball on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 17:30pm
Didn't Black Sabbath bring "heavy" metal to the mainstream with the albums "Black Sabbath", "Paranoid" and "Master Of Reality" in 1970-1971??
Posted by interviewer on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 18:04pm
True, but when I mean mainstream, I am talking about the "main" mainsteam. Sabbath sold a lot of those albums, but to metal heads for the most part. Metallica sold records to metal heads and to young girls hangin at the mall who also listened to Madonna, etc. Like I said, not judging whether it is good or bad.
Posted by Matzo Ball on Monday, 12.17.07 @ 18:14pm
"Yeah, but led zep was a blues based rock band for the most part."
Posted by liam on Tuesday, 12.18.07 @ 10:23am
Metallica isn't eligible until next year, they were not eligible this year. Remember the first single or album had to be released no later than 1982. Kill em all was released in 1983
Posted by Derek on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 02:30am
With the Ventures being inducted this year, someone should mention that guitarist Billy Strange was a Venture as were many others. Speaking of guitar instrumentalists, how about one of Stevie's mentors, Link Wray, where is he? And Billy Strange as well (Member or the Wrecking Crew, put out his own guitar albums, gave Frank his first million seller, recorded with the Beach Boys and Elvis). We are talking roots here guys. Glad for its existance though.
Posted by clintwmt on Monday, 12.31.07 @ 01:44am
I think it's amazing (and of course a little appalling) there are a lot of artists that are elgible for the Hall of Fame that aren't in. While I agreed with some of the comments already posted, here are 10 that should be inducted (and some have already probably have been mentioned): Rufus & Chaka Khan, KISS, Linda Ronstadt, Stevie Nicks (solo), Donna Summer, Chic, Deep Purple, Pat Benetar, Janet Jackson, Joy Division. Oh, are Sonic Youth elgible already?
Posted by Ryan on Thursday, 01.10.08 @ 16:48pm
The Reason some bands like Kiss and Yes aren't in the Hall is because they put out a plethora of horrible albums, with only a few good ones. YES was never really accepted by the rock critics and neither was Kiss. It's doubtful that Bon Jovi will get in no matter how many records they've sold. And for Pat Benatar, get real.
Posted by Frank on Sunday, 01.13.08 @ 20:44pm
You hsve to pick 5 from every year right. RIGHT.
Posted by crock on Thursday, 01.17.08 @ 13:06pm
OK, I'm revising my 4 top-ten lists...
Posted by liam on Thursday, 01.17.08 @ 13:48pm
My email address says it all.
Posted by Pete on Friday, 01.25.08 @ 05:12am
OK, I'm doing some o' them 6-nominations-2-inductions things.
Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.2.08 @ 15:38pm
No way in hell am I gonna choose the line-ups of all those nominations.
Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.2.08 @ 15:44pm
Hey Liam...we'll do some more guitar stuff soon...well done! I see Johnny Marr's band is in there for 2008...I let my girlfriend listen to "Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before", she really liked it. She's an old hippie, didn't have a lot of exposure to the Smiths...lol! What did you think of the Dave Clark Five's nomination? I was just really getting into music when they started making noise over here...they made a lot more noise than people seem to remember. Just curious...
Posted by Terry on Saturday, 02.2.08 @ 15:57pm
I really didn't agree with DC5 getting inducted. I don't even hear much of them anymore, and what I do ain't nearly on par with their contemporaris (ie Kinks, Beatles...).
Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.2.08 @ 16:08pm
Replace Rush with Procol Harem.
Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.2.08 @ 18:12pm
Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.2.08 @ 18:24pm
A little help...I really liked Gene Loves Jezebel. Didn't get a lot of air time in the US. I liked some of what Bryan Ferry did in the 80's (especially "Don't Stop The Dance" and a song called "Help Me", which was on the soundtrack to "The Fly"...lovely movie), but not enough for HOF consideration. When I listen to 80's & 90's alternative on my subscription service, I catch myself saying "Wow, who is this?" a lot. It seems a lot of very good stuff didn't make it here (or at least didn't make it to Denver...number one station here is "talk radio"...ugh!!!!)
Posted by Terry on Sunday, 02.3.08 @ 08:34am
Stevie Ray Vauhan, unmatched passion and talent.
Posted by Rune on Friday, 02.15.08 @ 22:53pm
Looks like only S.R.V. should be going in in "09"!! Sad choices!!!
Posted by Tom on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 09:55am
"Looks like only S.R.V. should be going in in "09"!! Sad choices!!!"-Tom
Posted by William on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 11:47am
Liam...are you talking about this site? I asked them to create a page for The Birthday Party.
Posted by Terry on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 12:36pm
...I also asked them for fun to add ? and the Mysterians...lol!!! I never saw anyone milk or try to get more mileage out of one hit for what, 40 years??? The guy even changed his name to "?"!! I know some people who should follow suit...lol!!!!
Posted by Terry on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 12:39pm
"96 Tears" might be the most incredibly cheesy song I've ever heard in my life.
Posted by Liam on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 14:21pm
I think I cried 81 tears once....
Posted by Terry on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 15:44pm
Just 15 more to go, then! A kick in the crotch should do it...
Posted by Liam on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 15:51pm
Some people might actually like that...lol!!!
Posted by Terry on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 16:06pm
If you take away my Rhapsody I'll start whining!!!
Posted by Terry on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 16:19pm
METALLICA, FOR GODS SAKE !!!!
Posted by Barb on Wednesday, 03.5.08 @ 12:32pm
Bon Jovi is a lock. They are still putting out relevant and high gross selling albums and lead in concert revenue year after year. They have spanned generations and are media darlings.
Posted by gina on Sunday, 03.23.08 @ 17:40pm
Gina, then BJ have already reaped more earthly reward for their bland product than they deserve. That should be enough without them hoping they can uy their way into a respectable rock hall.
Posted by lue on Sunday, 03.23.08 @ 17:45pm
That should be enough without them hoping they can uy their way into a respectable rock hall.
Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 03.23.08 @ 21:09pm
"Blue (Shawn) - is this you calling the RnRHoF respectable?" -D
Posted by Blue on Sunday, 03.23.08 @ 22:15pm
Ha. No. I meant a theoretically respectable HoF.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 03.24.08 @ 07:07am
My nominations for this year:
Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 08:25am
PS The reason that there are no post-punk groups in there (well, The Smiths, yeah...) is because I believe it to only be logical to get a decent proportion of punk artists (who deserve it) in before hand.
Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 08:27am
I agree with most on your list, but IMO, your list cannot be complete if it does not include the three most obvious omissions from the RRHoF: Deep Purple, ELP and Alice Cooper. I also believe that the NY Dolls and Cheap Trick should be on this list. I will paraphrase quotes from Mick Jones of the Clash - "we took a lot of our music from The Dolls", Morrissey "RnR became dangerous again because of the NY Dolls" - Iggy Pop, "The NY Dolls opened the world up to the seedy side of town". And there are a hundred others who call the Dolls one of the main branches of RnR that led to Punk. There was nothing innovative about their music, but it was influential as hell.
Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 11:05am
I was trying to limit my list to ten, but I would nominate all the ones you listed eventually.
Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 11:15am
I don't think Alice Cooper, ELP or Deep Purple come anywhere close to most egregious omission.
Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 13:11pm
Everyone has a different opinion.
Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 14:43pm
I said so because I don't think any of them had as large an impact on their own sub-genres as some other snubs.
Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 14:50pm
Again - you have your opinion, I have mine and not to anyone's surprise, they differ.
Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 16:35pm
"Along with Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, they are considered one of the pioneers of heavy metal and modern hard rock"
Posted by Starr on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 06:21am
Liam - Have you noticed that most of the musicians that cite the Dolls as a major influence are Punk and Alternative Bands?
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 06:58am
"Liam - Have you noticed that most of the musicians that cite the Dolls as a major influence are Punk and Alternative Bands?"
Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 07:18am
Here we go again - my comment was in response to your comment "NY Dolls can wait because there are other, more influential hard rock groups and glam groups waiting." This is why I mentioned Punk Rock. Steve Jones of Pistols claims to have basically ripped off the Johnny Thunders. Of course, since the Dolls were heavily influenced by the Stooges, then they should at least wait for that induction to happen.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 08:23am
"Liam - everything you know about these bands were learned from listening to records, reading a book or doing a google search. You weren't there when the music first came out. You didn't see how the club bands that never got a contract were influenced. So stop making these "matter of fact" proclamations of yours. I said, "in my opinion"."
Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 12:35pm
Oh yeah, sorry, forgot to type "in my opinion" at least 5000 times in my last comment.
Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 12:36pm
Oh yeah, sorry, forgot to type "in my opinion" at least 5000 times in my last comment. - Liam
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 13:28pm
Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 19:17pm
P.S. those are inductions, not nominations.
Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 19:18pm
Don't you have class tomorrow? I hope you put as much effort into your real studies as you do with this! And to be honest, I hope you do better with your studies than you do with this!
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 20:51pm
Little Steven is going to nominate The Hollies and Herman's Hermits in upcoming years.
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 06:24am
BON JOVI RUUUUUUUUULLEESSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Murilo on Friday, 04.11.08 @ 18:32pm
Why Kraftwerk isn't in already is anyone's guess. RUN DMC should be a lock. I would hope that the Smiths would be a first ballot pick also. However, I remember that the band didn't get much love in the States until after they split, which could hurt their chances.
Posted by Zeff on Wednesday, 04.23.08 @ 16:28pm
Out Of this group (who are only the people who just became eligible this year)
Posted by Jonathan Marsellus on Thursday, 04.24.08 @ 18:00pm
Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.25.08 @ 11:07am
Some of these lists are getting a little ridiculous. As much as I hate prog rock in general, I wonder why Yes is not in. Their influence on everything on the genre has been tremendous; they represnted everything good and bad about prog. They were probably the first band to make the music popular, as well as influence a countless number of musicians/bands. Again, this is coming from someone who isn't a prog rock fan
Posted by Zeff on Friday, 04.25.08 @ 22:17pm
Should Mannheim Steamroller be inducted?
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 05.3.08 @ 18:07pm
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.3.08 @ 19:00pm
People who deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame based on their influence, originality and progressiveness.
Posted by Gleemy on Sunday, 05.4.08 @ 15:39pm
2009 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Predictions
Posted by KVP on Wednesday, 05.7.08 @ 12:47pm
This is my final list! For sure this time!
Posted by Roy on Monday, 05.12.08 @ 14:03pm
These are, in my opinion, the serious travesties:
Posted by Brooklyn What on Tuesday, 05.13.08 @ 01:58am
Steven Van Zandt scares me, good luck New Order.
Posted by Casper on Sunday, 05.18.08 @ 19:52pm
K, here's an attempt. Tell me what I missed, Liam, or if I screwed up anywhere.
Posted by Casperq on Sunday, 05.18.08 @ 20:36pm
There's actually a few I good arguments to be made from pre-61/86 that I can see.
Posted by Liam on Monday, 05.19.08 @ 10:55am
"It seems like they HAVE to add Joy Division to the next ballot or they'll look totally ridiculous putting up mainstream selections that were already sharply knocked down and/or another choice as bad as The Hollies/Mellencamp, etc."-Casper
Posted by Liam on Monday, 05.19.08 @ 17:02pm
They're going to keep the same nominees that were on the ballot last year and lost, plus 6 other nominees.
Posted by Roy on Monday, 05.19.08 @ 17:28pm
I did my list freehand without looking at my list of ranked snubs which included John Coltrane/King Crimson. No worries about those.
Posted by Casper on Monday, 05.19.08 @ 18:59pm
Now going to go over the Minors...
Posted by Casper on Monday, 05.19.08 @ 19:53pm
Need a Nick Cave induction SOMEWHERE. Hmm.
Posted by Casper on Monday, 05.19.08 @ 19:54pm
What about Donovan and Gary Lewis & The Playboys?
Posted by joker on Monday, 05.19.08 @ 20:54pm
Donovan's a cool 60's icon but I don't his catalog withstands (what-should-be) Hall scrutiny.
Posted by Casper on Monday, 05.19.08 @ 21:35pm
Most egregious omissions thus far:
Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 05.19.08 @ 21:53pm
I have some suggestions for artists that could be considered minor or major acts:
Posted by The Claw on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 04:32am
Done a little differently. Not everything can be objective. They are in no reasonable order.
Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 05:41am
Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 11:00am
Dezmond, you ARE kidding with Heart and Pete Townshend's insignificant solo career, no?
Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 11:13am
INXS? WTF?! Quite literally no one cites them...
Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 11:21am
The Claw, I totally agree with Herbie Hancock. Would not be surprised if he was soon nominated thanks to his big Grammy night. Herbie's a major.
Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 16:16pm
Well, I don't have near the patience to really put together a list, but it just seems there are a few from the pre-'61 crowd that are missing.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 16:51pm
Orange Juice (1980/2005 class) does not have a page at FutureRockHall. Disturbing. I say MAJOR. What do you reckon, Liam?
Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 17:32pm
The Flamingos were not Doo Wop??? Are you kidding me? They were the greatest Doo Wop group of all time.All one needs to do is drop the needle on 'Lovers Never Say Goodbye'.
Posted by Steve on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 19:45pm
I've heard "Lovers Never Say Goodbye" AND "Your Other Love." However, songs like "Mio Amore," "Time Was," and "I Only Have Eyes For You" are much much more typical of the Flamingos than songs like "Lovers Never Say Goodbye."
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 19:50pm
I wasn't kidding with Heart or Townshend. Like I said, they are worthy at least of being discussed by the Committee. That list I gave was rather long, there are many others I listed who should be considered before Heart or Townshend.
Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 22:08pm
Casper, I totally forgot about Orange Juice.. :( I'd call them a major.
Posted by Liam on Wednesday, 05.21.08 @ 10:15am
Posted by classicrocker on Wednesday, 05.21.08 @ 10:54am
c-l-a-s-s-i-c r-o-c-k = a f-e-e-b-l-e e-x-c-us-e f-o-r a s-u-b-g-e-n-r-e
Posted by Liam on Wednesday, 05.21.08 @ 11:29am
You know more about rock post-1980, but I know more about rock pre-1980; and the stuff I know pre-1980 is better than the stuff you know post-1980.
Posted by classicrocker on Wednesday, 05.21.08 @ 12:06pm
Besides, classic rock is not a subgenre, it's a radio station label. I wouldn't pay too much attention to Liam if I were you, classicrocker. He gets quite touchy about his post-1980 alternative rock. And Dezmond, shut up. Pete Townshend's solo career is completely insignificant, especially compared to Paul McCartney's. And finally, Orange Juice? Is that the name of a band?
Posted by Metalsmith on Wednesday, 05.21.08 @ 12:59pm
Aren't you all tired of this ongoing battle "punk/post-punk" vs "Hard Rock/Heavy Metal"? There is good, bad and ugly in all these genres/sub-genres. And one genre is not more important than the other. Just enjoy the music.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 05.21.08 @ 14:09pm
Pete's solo career is nowhere near McCartney's or Harrison's. Only a Who fanboy would buy into that.
Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 05.21.08 @ 14:11pm
Metalsmith, I usually don't bother reading Liam's or Casper's pomposity--just this morning when I read Liam calling Philip's picks "shi**y" I kinda wanted to "put him in his place" and give him a taste of his own venom.
Posted by classicrocker on Wednesday, 05.21.08 @ 14:14pm
Here the Artist that Deserve To Be In (No Specific Order)
Posted by Kyle on Wednesday, 05.21.08 @ 21:37pm
Sorry, but "sh*tty" is the only way to describe Chubby Checker being nominated or inducted. Feel free to disagree, but he has NOTHING in the way of importance (or quality).
Posted by Liam on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 04:32am
Posted by Liam on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 04:37am
c-l-a-s-s-i-c r-o-c-k = a f-e-e-b-l-e e-x-c-us-e f-o-r a s-u-b-g-e-n-r-e - Liam
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 08:14am
Except for the part where shoegazer bands actually do/did follow common musical elements and influences.
Posted by Liam on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 08:24am
Why the hell do you have a problem sub-genre titles? - Liam
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 11:03am
Of course, because MBV would've been world-wide chart toppers had the NME never coined term "Shoegazing."
Posted by Liam on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 11:47am
Casper - what about considering the Pop Group (who haven't got a page, btw)? I'd say minor, at least.
Posted by Liam on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 13:31pm
If the listening public actually gave a crap, they'd go and look for music rather than let it be force-fed to them by the mainstream. - Liam
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 13:35pm
Of course, because MBV would've been world-wide chart toppers - Liam
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 13:54pm
k.d. lang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Her voice is the best out there!!!
Posted by M on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 14:18pm
"I disagree with most of this assertion. Perhaps in today's era because of the internet and satelite radio, you can make this statement. But you could not make that statement in "67", "77", "87" and in some places "97"." - Dameon
Posted by Liam on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 14:21pm
OK boys, fire when ready!!
Posted by classicrocker on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 14:30pm
Donovan - not yet. Lots of snubs who out-do him in influence and innovation, many of whom you didn't list.
Posted by Liam on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 15:00pm
Liam - this is why I don't try and converse with you too often here. Your arguements are based on challenging everything I or anybody else says without making any counter-points. I at least try and give you a different perspective on how things are seen. But you just cannot accept or understand that some people look through a different set of lens than you.
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 15:16pm
I've made plenty of counters. If you don't feel like arguing, just say so, but to make up some lame-ass excuses like "you don't make counters."
Posted by Liam on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 15:36pm
Liam - whatever!
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.22.08 @ 16:40pm
How can people seriously say that Pete Townshend's solo career pales in comparison to that of Paul McCarntey or especially George Harrison? Harrison had ONE great solo record where he was able to get out his backlog of Beatles-era compositions that Lennon/McCartney wouldn't let him use on Beatles records. After 'All Things Must Pass', his solo music both insignificant AND terrible.
Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 09:41am
lol so my picks didn't go over too well, huh? lol I'm actually pretty used to it. I'm actually not surprised by Liam's response. Chubby Checker, and most everything from the Cameo and Parkway labels, was made to be fun, and Liam seems to think that's the last thing rock'n'roll should be. But you can't deny that after Chubby hit #1 with "The Twist" a myriad of dance records flooded the marketplace. It was what helped keep rock'n'roll alive in the early sixties before the Beatles showed up. And his stuff has held up pretty well over the years in terms of continuing to be played. I have no problem recognizing the worthiness of an act I don't like, though I do like Chubby Checker. But it just seems to me that he was a huge part of rock'n'roll during the early 60's and deserves some recognition for it.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 12:44pm
He wasn't anything close to a "huge" part of rock n' roll. Chubby Checker has absolutely nothing in the ways of innovation and almost nothing as far as influence goes.
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 13:32pm
"People do not care about quality. They care about how much the music is going to entertain them." - Liam
Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 14:04pm
I don't think making quality music is too hard to pull off, unless you're Jon Bon Jovi.
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 15:16pm
Any thoughts on Porcupine, by the way?
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 15:19pm
I disagree with you, Liam. I'll grant you the innovation bit. A lot of Cameo-Parkway stuff was copies or rip-offs of other things going on musically, but to be able to even have more than 1 year of influence is pretty substantial, when you think about the world as a whole. I mean, how many fads actually last even a year, or more than a year? Chubby helped make danceable rock'n'roll a bandwagon that the industry kept trying to jump into, and he did it for 3-4 years successfully, then petered out in a hurry once the Beatles came. But dance records of the early 60's were a significant chapter of rock'n'roll history, and it's a chapter that needs an act inducted to symbolize/represent that. Chubby Checker is the most obvious candidate for that position.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 16:36pm
Chubby Checker has literally no influence, nevermind a years-full. Again, being a "fad" doesn't make you influential. There's no more than than ten artists influenced by him.
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 17:12pm
And how many of those artists can be identified with dance record craze of the early 60's? I stand by my point there. There needs to be some sort of recognition there that's lacking.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 17:43pm
Unless you're about to pull an argument for the musical importance of your precious "'60s dance craze" crap out of your ass, no, they don't have to recognize it at all.
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 17:47pm
I made that argument earlier, actually. The dance records of the early '60s were the main way that rock'n'roll was kept alive and strong throughout the early 60's. Motown hadn't quite taken off (with a couple of exceptions) into the phenom in would become, the British weren't really here at all, the Four Seasons and the Beach Boys were just getting into motion and their best works were yet to come, and the early days heroes of rock and roll had all pretty much faded out one way or another, even Chuck Berry and Fats Domino who continued releasing records were fading from the main view. "The Twist" alone is a landmark record of the '60s, that even established artists got into ("Twistin' The Night Away" by Sam Cooke immediately springs to mind.) Other dance songs about dancing began cropping, it infused with other parts of the culture (such as the Surfer's Stomp), and yes, even became a mechanism of corporate advertising ("Do The Flake" for Kellogg's, though that song came later). The dance records were a huge bridge that got us from Point A (the 50's) to Point B (the British). It was one of the major faces of rock'n'roll for its time, and it definitely needs to be recognized as such.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 18:07pm
Will people ever learn to stop using BS metaphors for rock like "dead" o "sleeping"? Doesn't seem likely
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 18:20pm
So just substitute "alive and strong" with "socially and culturally prominent and pervasive" and then respond to the points I made.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 18:41pm
If innovation (which = influence) is the "standard" then you need to explain why the following are in the Hall Of Fame:
Posted by classicrocker on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 18:52pm
"So just substitute "alive and strong" with "socially and culturally prominent and pervasive" and then respond to the points I made." - Philip
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 18:59pm
"innovation (which = influence)" - classicrocker
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 19:04pm
EDIT: "folk" not "folk-rock."
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 19:08pm
Yes, musicians do make the music, but it's the culture that's the measuring stick of how strong a movement or genre of art is.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 19:23pm
"Yes, musicians do make the music, but it's the culture that's the measuring stick of how strong a movement or genre of art is." - Philip
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 19:41pm
Uh yes, I do look at the history of rock and roll. Measuring stick meaning relevance to a society. Rock'n'roll in the 50's meant widening, if not creating, the generation gap as we know it. It was incredibly relevant to a society, and the artists who made it back then were also quite relevant to their society at that time.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 20:08pm
Face it: all this "impact on society" BS is just some f*cking 'loophole' to get those way-back-when artists that you all love and go wet for whenever you hear on your classic rock radio stations.
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 20:27pm
How is it BS? You really haven't answered that at all. And there are plenty of artists I like that I would not vote to put into the Hall of Fame: Herman's Hermits, Jay And The Americans, the Vogues, the Four Preps, the Association, Tom Jones, the Monkees, Village People... I like 'em, but I wouldn't put them in the Hall. And there are artists I don't care for all that much, but wouldn't object to them being in the Hall: Marvelettes, the Fifth Dimension, Junior Walker And The All-Stars, Yes. More often than not, I don't, or at least try not to, let personal taste affect my opinion of an artist's worthiness. Please take your fallacious accusations elsewhere.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 20:36pm
Besides, maybe I need to make it a TINY BIT MORE clear, but I don't care about sales EITHER WAY. There are bands with importance who sold alot of records. There are bands with importance who sold very few records. Just because you've only seen me advocate two artists with large-ish success doesn't mean I don't do so for any others.
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 20:38pm
It's BS because, as I've already (sarcastically) pointed out, "society" and "culture" are not what make music, musicians are; and therefore commercial success is NOT an appropriate or correct way of measuring musical impact.
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 20:42pm
And again, that is where I feel you are being myopic. Music, made by musicians, is a part of the culture, which is a part of the society. Musical impact is only one kind of impact that can be had: societal and cultural impact are both valid ways of having impact. In fact, the Hall of Fame is littered with inductees who would occasionally or frequently mix politics with music; and took up causes, exercising activism. Sales, like politics, is just another medium by which an artist can have Impact, and is not inherently wrong or inappropriate to consider. I wouldn't make it primary, but it doesn't get left at the door either.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 20:51pm
Yes, it is wrong to consider sales as a criteria because culture is not rock music, nor any form of music. They may be valid for your HoF, but I honestly am keen on the idea of rock music being remembered as a form of art.
Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 20:59pm
culture is not rock music, but rock music is a part of culture. If a musical act can make ripples beyond mere cultural impact, shouldn't that be considered a good thing? And "my" HoF is the one that exists and has a museum in Cleveland. I like the idea of rock'n'roll being remembered as a form of art. I also am keen on it being remembered as something that benefitted society by reaching the people in ways that stirred them politically, taught them something new, or just made them happy. Those are all benefits.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 21:07pm
*beyond mere musical impact, is what that second line should read. Sorry for the confusion.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 21:08pm
Sales don't even accurately measure cultural impact. Bob Dylan never sold as much as ABBA, for example.
Posted by William on Saturday, 05.24.08 @ 03:00am
Right, and I never said it should be the most important factor, but it doesn't invalidate the role that sales plays in helping to create cultural impact.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.24.08 @ 03:16am
William there are always exceptions to every "rule." Like I can say that in general, tall people tend to make better basketball players - which of course is true - then you could say, yeah, but look at Mugsy Bogues (he is like 5'4"). But, the exception does not negate the generality of the "rule."
Posted by sailing on Saturday, 05.24.08 @ 08:27am
Bob Dylan has sold way more records than ABBA. C'mon now...
Posted by Joe-Skee on Saturday, 05.24.08 @ 09:08am
"Bob Dylan has sold way more records than ABBA. C'mon now..."-Joe-Skee
Posted by William on Saturday, 05.24.08 @ 16:45pm
"These issues are not black and white folks." - sailing
Posted by Liam on Sunday, 05.25.08 @ 18:25pm
sailing.... I wouldn't bring up Mamma Mia if I were you. It's garnered at best mediocre respect from the theater and Broadway communities. Most jukebox musicals are disdained. The one notable exception has been Jersey Boys, about the Four Seasons, which won the Tony for Best Musical.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 05.25.08 @ 23:06pm
Why is Melanie not included? She is soo deserving of this honor!!!
Posted by mary jane on Wednesday, 06.4.08 @ 09:00am
Cyndi Lauper definitely belongs in the Hall this coming year. She was one of the most successful female acts of the 1980s. She conquered the genre of rock with a look and sound that had never been heard before.
Posted by Brent Adams on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 14:44pm
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 06.22.08 @ 05:49am
The 2009 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by Roy on Monday, 06.23.08 @ 09:20am
Just got back from driving 300 miles to visit the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame & truth be told, I was disappointed. I understand the tributes to the popular legends BUT if this hall of fame has room for people no-one's ever heard of (including 1990 DJ's) why was Stevie Ray Vaughn's legendary guitar playing & blues missing?
Posted by Kristi on Wednesday, 06.25.08 @ 21:23pm
Kristi, SRV hasn't been eligible yet. Next year is the earliest he could possibly make it.
Posted by Lenny B on Wednesday, 06.25.08 @ 21:49pm
Lenny, Since you're in the know - how is it Pearl Jam has a display in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame if Stevie Ray Vaughn doesn't rank a spot?
Posted by Kristi on Wednesday, 06.25.08 @ 22:19pm
Pearl Jam hasn't been inducted into the HOF and won't even be eligible until 2016.
Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 06.25.08 @ 22:24pm
Many, many recent artists adorn the HOF walls, their belongings on display. I suppose it's necessary to have a 'popular' draw that will get people to part with $22 (each) to walk around for a few hours. That said, it would seem naive to think the recent artists already on their walls are not eventual inductees. After visiting the HOF, I tend to agree with Courtney Love's argument.
Posted by Kristi on Wednesday, 06.25.08 @ 23:34pm
What would you all think of Buddy Miles as a sideman ( i think his death should have reminded the comittee of his absence).
Posted by roméo on Friday, 06.27.08 @ 17:39pm
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Posted by Michael on Thursday, 07.10.08 @ 17:27pm
come on people.lets not fight,I think steve perry should get this award,for he has a great gift,his voice is so amazing he puts his heart into every song he does ,and I will never forget him,I sure hope he comes back to do more music,I would love to hear that amazing gift steve perry,I love you steve perry come back and do more music!you are missed!love Adriana:)
Posted by Adriana on Wednesday, 07.16.08 @ 03:24am
Tinsley Ellis is eligible this year and not on the list. He makes everyone on this years list sound like amatuers, yes even SRV
Posted by Ed on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 09:36am
Being one of the few people on this site who's even heard of Tinsley Ellis, I have to say that making comparitive statements and trying to give credit to someone by discrediting someone else is absurd. Trying to compare great players is nearly futile because the really great ones are all unique. They've either come up with their own style or taken someone else's to a whole new level. I've played for years, and my favorites are not always who I think is best. Saying that Tinsley Ellis makes SRV sound like an "amatuer" is just a silly statement.
Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 07.19.08 @ 11:44am
Hey, did you hear, 14 will be inducted next year!:
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 07.22.08 @ 18:51pm
I don't think any first-year eligible bands will go in this year. Metallica already has one slot wrapped up with just 4 more left.
Posted by maplejet on Saturday, 07.26.08 @ 22:22pm
All of the following need to be inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame:
Posted by Gunnar on Monday, 07.28.08 @ 08:28am
I predict these acts will be nominated for the 2009 induction:
Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 08.5.08 @ 05:00am
Hey Claw - if this is in fact what they present to the voting board as the list of nominees, then it is really sad. I am fine with the Stooges, Kraftwerk and Metallica, but there are a lot more worthy bands that should be on this list first. That is not to say that these bands are not worthy, although I have some issues with The Hollies, Gram Parsons, Tina Turner and Chic.
Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 08.5.08 @ 05:37am
I tried not to base this list on personal preferences, and neither is this a list of what I think are the nine biggest snubs. I tried to base it on previous ballots, and signals we got from the nominating committee this year.
Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 08.5.08 @ 07:33am
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 08.5.08 @ 09:23am
let's look at this in reality....
Posted by A;ex on Tuesday, 08.5.08 @ 10:07am
Since everyone else is doing it, my list of 'most deserving of Hall' (in alphabetical order)
Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 08.5.08 @ 13:57pm
Why does the rock and Roll Hall of Fame discriminate against female artists?
Posted by mary jane on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 05:25am
Posted by Mrxyz on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 12:00pm
"Why does the rock and Roll Hall of Fame discriminate against female artists?"
Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 12:44pm
So "Claw " Blondie and the Pretenders are a female act huh..? I wonder what the other "GUYS" in the band think .. ?lol
Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 12:57pm
There are so many artists from the 60's, who have been ignored or overlooked by the RRHOF committee.
Posted by Bill on Sunday, 08.10.08 @ 10:38am
"So "Claw " Blondie and the Pretenders are a female act huh..? I wonder what the other "GUYS" in the band think .. ?lol
Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 08.10.08 @ 17:31pm
Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 08.10.08 @ 18:13pm
Sigh. This is a stupid discussion. You're not telling me something I don't know. Yes, I'd probably count Jefferson Airplane, The Mamas and the Papas, RufUs and Ike & Tina Turner if they were nominated in the last four years. I'd even count Fleetwood Mac. And yes, I am aware that all these groups are more than just the (female) lead singer(s). But tell me, mrxyz, if you wanted to prove that the Hall doesn't discriminate against women, would you only count the girl groups and the female solo artists, or would you count the bands with female lead singers as well?
Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 08.11.08 @ 03:17am
I think the real problem when it comes to the (supposed) discrimination against female acts is that there haven't been that many to nominate, much less seriously consider. If you remove the acts that had ladies front & center in otherwise all-male bands, remove Motown acts already inducted, and look at what's left, you're talking slim pickings in terms of what's up for nomination now.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 08.11.08 @ 06:12am
I can think of two artists: Suzi Quatro and of course The Runaways which you mentioned. I choose Suzi Q. because she was a major influence on The Runaways.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 08.11.08 @ 06:58am
Where is it reported that there will be 14 inductees this year? That seems a bit much, no?
Posted by JR on Tuesday, 08.12.08 @ 23:51pm
Hopefully, they will induct SRV in 2009, he has my vote...
Posted by LAM on Wednesday, 08.27.08 @ 20:24pm
Via my talk backs with Liam on this page, I've composed a revised, ordered list of every major act eligible that I would definitely want in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The first 25ish are egregious omissions, the next 25 are ones I would still champion. I won't lose sleep over 50+ not getting in but I would like them inside rather than out.
Posted by Casper on Monday, 09.1.08 @ 22:24pm
My hope for this year is to have at least three of my top 20 acts receive the gold medal of honor, possibly four if they'd chuck Eno into the non-performer category. I had Leonard Cohen in my Top Five last year, so that was a plus, but with Sonic Youth, Metallica, Afrika Bambaataa and Beastie Boys all getting the shaft, I actually managed to add more to my list than I removed (two - Cohen & Madonna).
Posted by tinman on Monday, 09.1.08 @ 22:38pm
Casper - no one can say that you don't love the music you love. But your list has Alice Cooper way too low and you have completely omitted Deep Purple, NY Dolls and ELP. And except for the Stooges and Joy Division, their isn't one band on your list that is more deserving then them. And that is being objective.
Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 03:40am
Posted by blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 05:13am
Swap the Cure and the Smiths. I just see the latter as just generally being more influential.
Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 05:49am
That last "was" should be "wasn't." F*ck.
Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 06:03am
I was just giving my humble opinion. It is bad enough that it seems that the Hall wants to induct the whole 60s decade; we don't need to put every indie/underground band who released a great album or two in there as well.
Posted by blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 07:15am
If you class Can in with "every indie/underground band who released a great album or two," I kinda stop taking your opinion.
Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 08:44am
Hmm - influence to Kraut Rock vs influence to Hard Rock/Heavy Metal.
Posted by blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 09:10am
"Roxy Music are too high. So are the Jam. So are the Monkees. So are Genesis..."
Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 17:14pm
Casper, any so called list of potential inductees isn't worth whatever it's written on if Todd Rundgren isn't on it. As Kit wrote over on the Todd board he could be in as a producer alone. His own work was cutting edge as anybody from the late 60s on through the 80s and beyond. Just listen to Hermit Of Mink Hollow on which he played every instrument and did just about everything else including taking the picture of himself on the cover. Todd's talented!
Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 20:24pm
His case will be reviewed shortly.
Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 22:20pm
Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 09.3.08 @ 05:50am
Forgot to mention that for all of you interested in the Von Hayes/Baseball bands, when you get to the espn baseball page, look for the rotating highlighted picture - it will show up under the heading "Page 2".
Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 09.3.08 @ 06:01am
Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Wednesday, 09.3.08 @ 07:14am
I will do the same here as I did with Casper's list.
Posted by blah-blah-blah on Wednesday, 09.3.08 @ 07:36am
Casper - I was looking at the NY Dolls board and noticed a comment of yours from a while back. It was your opinion that the Dolls did not deserve the honor and that their influence was minimal at best. I was just wondering how you came to this opinion? I would think that when members of the Clash, Pistols, Smiths and other Punk/Alternative/Post-punk bands clearly state that it was the NY Dolls music and early tour of London that changed their approach to music and performance, that this is a clear sign of major influence. Steve Jones admitted years later that all he did was rip off Johnny Thunders guitar style and technique. And 5 years later, with the coming of Hanoi Rocks and Motley Crue, the Dolls influence reared its ugly head again. It doesn't matter if you like the music or not, the influence is their. I am not the biggest fan of Joy Division, but I certainly see the importance of them. They were a special band.
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 09.4.08 @ 06:16am
I hope Run DMC and New Edition get in 2009 after reading everyones comments its obvious there are some flaws in there selection process.The next 10 years a lot of my favorite groups(Most R&B and Hip-Hop)will be elegible.I hope some one put a Hip-Hop Hall Of Fame together.Its Obvious most of you don't want any Hip Hop in the hall(except Eminem or the Beasty Boys).Here's my short list of artist that should be in Barry White,Hall&Oates,Patti Labelle,Luther Vandross,Janet Jackson,Yes Band,Pet Shop Boys,Teddy Riley(Influence)and Marley Marl(Influence).
Posted by Leon on Thursday, 09.4.08 @ 14:52pm
Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 09.4.08 @ 16:49pm
As far as hip-hop/rap goes, there hasn't been a lot out there that has made me go "WOW", and I'm a big R&B fan from way back. With all the sampling and lack of imagination I see (and hear), I'd rather see some classic R&B artists who have a strong connection to rock get in. I don't know that it will happen, though. The HOF seems very misguided on who the true innovators and influences are. I liked Grandmaster Flash, but they were by no means the originals. I'm thinking along the lines of Kurtis Blow, who was the first rapper signed to a major label, or even Gil Scott-Heron, whose material in my opinion was a precursor to rap.
Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 09.4.08 @ 20:33pm
For those of you not familiar, check out "The Breaks" by Kurtis Blow, and "The Bottle" and 'The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" by Gil Scott-Heron...to name just a few!!
Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 09.4.08 @ 21:00pm
I believe that Metallica should inducted, they have done so much for rock/ metal. And have laid the ground work for many others, and helped make the style popular. They should be inducted even before Pantera, and Slayer. I'm not saying that they arn't deserving, but Metallica has done so much more.
Posted by Kenneth on Tuesday, 09.9.08 @ 11:43am
Leon Russell, Chicago, Carole King......SO deserve to be in!!! Why do politices determine who gets in???? I am a Charter Mamber of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. When does my vote count???
Posted by cathy on Thursday, 09.11.08 @ 18:52pm
This is a joke, the whole museum is a joke.
Posted by Becca on Thursday, 09.11.08 @ 19:44pm
The Committee should be committed. Their bias against an entire genre of rock and roll is an embarrassment. Thus, no Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Moody Blues, Roxy Music, Genesis, Deep Purple and Rush to name the most obvious. It's absurd to think that Bon Jovi could go in before any of these bands.
Posted by Dan on Friday, 09.19.08 @ 14:39pm
It's not only an embarrasment Dan, it's a joke
Posted by Keebord on Friday, 09.19.08 @ 15:29pm
The Committee should be committed. Their bias against an entire genre of rock and roll is an embarrassment. Thus, no Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Moody Blues, Roxy Music, Genesis, Deep Purple and Rush to name the most obvious. It's absurd to think that Bon Jovi could go in before any of these bands.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 09.19.08 @ 17:50pm
Jovi has had more success than some of those acts, and less success than others. Does it matter if they came later down the line? (CC)
Posted by Dameon on Friday, 09.19.08 @ 18:39pm
Jovi has had more success than some of those acts, and less success than others. Does it matter if they came later down the line? (CC)
Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 09.20.08 @ 04:30am
CC - I think the problem here is that the Hall now only inducts 5 in a year and that is causing a major backlog. And when choosing the 5, those member of the nominating committee who reign supreme get to politically push in and keep out whom they want.
Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 09.20.08 @ 10:20am
agreed on stooges alice cooper deep purple and the cure, also would like to see rush and yes with these bands before anyone else
Posted by argh on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 12:29pm
as for this group i could see srv, slayer, and pantera
Posted by argh on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 12:30pm
What I can't understand is how "Chic" even gets nominated. Five times now, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, and now 2009. But yet a songwriter like Bill Withers gets over-looked year after year! He got a nomination in 1996 and hasn't got another since! How one can recognize mediocrity, and dismiss talent is beyond me!!! Withers has one of the best soul voices of all-time. He's songs are timeless, "Lean On Me" everyone can relate to that song. Don't forget "Ain't No Sunshine" "Use Me" "Lovely Day" "Just The Two Of Us", and one of the greatest songs you've never heard "Tender Things". I had to google Chic, because I forget who the hell they were! After sampling some of their music I had a laugh, but then I got angry! If Chic gets inducteed this year, they will have gotten in ahead of Alice Cooper, Heart, Kiss, Rush, Peter Gabriel, The Cars, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Phil Collins, and America to name a few.....yes and also Bill Withers!
Posted by Ryan on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 21:27pm
The Rock Hall of Fame has no credibility. Every year is a joke. Nobody cares.
Posted by Doug on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 21:55pm
Jethro Tull is one of the greatest bands in the history of music. While Aqualung is a decent album, one need only look at "Minstrel in the Gallery," "Stand Up," "Benefit," "Heavy Horses," "Thick As a Brick," and others to see what an amazing songwriter Ian Anderson truly is. Why oh why have they been overlooked? Ian has a flute in the Hall; why not a permanent spot recognizing his amazing contributions?
Posted by Aaron on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 22:04pm
It's difficult to remain completely unbiased by the music of today when it comes to people's ideas of who gets inducted. It's a no-brainer to me that Metallica will get inducted but do they deserve to be before their influences? Just because they're still producing #1 albums doesn't mean they're a first year of eligibility shoe-in. So many of the bands mentioned above deserve to be in before they should be. The funny thing is that they're probably my all-time fav band and I still don't think they should be in there - yet.
Posted by Scott on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 01:27am
alot of these bands shouldnt even be on the list. i just dont get why they dont have a pop and rap hof. imo the only other genres that should get a pass is jazz/blues and individuals for their contributions, otherwise, rock in all its forms, metal, classic, alternative, punk, and all of the early innovators like the killer
Posted by argh on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 15:10pm
comments for this pack of eligibles for the first time:
Posted by RyanG on Saturday, 09.27.08 @ 21:46pm
I remember reading the critera of what is Rock-n-Roll in 1986 by the founders of the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame and it is a combination of R&B ,Blues Jazz,Gospel,Folk and Country and it's various subgenres that have evolved into this thing called Rock-N-Roll from 1954- present day. Rock was something created by white radio programmers and advertisers after The Beatles broke up as a way to sell major concert tickets and music to stoned and drunk white american surburban and rural hippie teenagers in the 70's with disposable income. The music is the same I,IV,V blues scale just like Prog,Metal,or Alternative the only difference is they took some classical cadenzas and Jazz improv or used their suburban hangups or demons for inspiration.
Posted by Edan on Sunday, 09.28.08 @ 00:59am
Is the "critera" <sic> of what is Rock-n-Roll in 1986 still what Rock is today? Is it allowed to evolve?
Posted by interviewer on Sunday, 09.28.08 @ 11:21am
No, I am saying I am sick and tired of the "70'S CLASSIC ROCK WHITEBOY POSSE" who think that "Rock -n-Roll " began with the Beatles, Woodstock and Haight- Asbury and no other music is even Rock-n-Roll. Well here is the stylisitc orgins of Rock-n-roll according to Websters is
Posted by Edan on Monday, 09.29.08 @ 03:58am
Why has this conversation turned to skin color lately?
Posted by blah-blah-blah on Monday, 09.29.08 @ 05:06am
I might add Richard Hell in the punk category
Posted by Gary James CA on Monday, 09.29.08 @ 09:04am
Posted by SpaceTrucker on Monday, 09.29.08 @ 11:12am
Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 09.29.08 @ 17:03pm
Posted by Edan on Monday, 09.29.08 @ 21:13pm
I grew up listening to Funkadelic, Kool and The Gang, EWF and I like bands like Love, The Chambers Brothers, Shuggie Otis, but what about Betty Davis, Mother's Finest, Joan Armatrading, Obisia, Mandrill
Posted by Gary James CA on Monday, 09.29.08 @ 21:43pm
where is def leppard! should have been nominated this year...and the year before that and that one...etc! .......such a shame and loss to the rock n roll hof
Posted by kimberly on Friday, 11.28.08 @ 10:31am
Posted by Chris on Monday, 12.1.08 @ 21:42pm
I can't believe Tears For Fears gets in the Rock Hall ahead of us. Although "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" is a sick song.
Posted by Von Hayes on Wednesday, 12.3.08 @ 13:05pm
Anthrax- helped popularize rap-rock
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 02.24.09 @ 17:00pm
I have been wondering,,
Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 03.4.09 @ 13:46pm
mrxyz, I completely agree that the Wrecking Crew and Funk Bros. should be inducted. And perhaps its most appropriate to induct them as Sidemen, because there real talent is not just their technical musical virtuosity, but rather their ability to contribute just the right licks to a song to make it perfect. Some of the Funk Bros. and Wrecking Crew are already induct:
Posted by Jonny on Wednesday, 03.4.09 @ 23:27pm
Posted by S.R on Wednesday, 03.18.09 @ 17:37pm
I think it's a slap in the face that the MOODY BLUES ar not in the rock hall. You have inducted
Posted by richard travers on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 16:48pm
Who put Alice Cooper under glam rock? He experimented with many rock genres, but for the most part he was a heavy metal artist. The things he wore were more for his stage show and shock value than trying to look glamorous.
Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 20:46pm
Alice was one of the Glam Rock firsts. Womens clothing, Makeup, and I dont talk about the makeup he wears now, before then, he wore blue eyeshadow, the whole 9 yards, Drag rock and roll indeed.. Infact I believe it was Creem Mag, that said Alice Cooper and his Band were the ugliest women. I personally do not think he got into metal until the mid-80's with the Raise your Fist and yell album and Constrictor.. took it from there. The Albums Pretties for you, Easy Action, Love it to death, Killer, Schools out, Billion Dollar Babies.. are glam classics.
Posted by A.R. on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 12:42pm
The albums you mentions are classics, but not glam rock classics. "School's Out", "No More Mr. Nice Guy", "Billion Dollar Babies" and alot of his other work have the heavy instrumentals and vocals that define heavy metal. To be completely honest, his '80s albums like Constrictor were more pop-metal oriented and not nearly as heavy as his earlier albums(even though I still love some of those albums). Also, the things he wore were not ment to be all pretty and fabulous like the British glam bands like Slade, Sweet, Mott the Hoople, T.Rex, etc.(I love most of those bands, but Cooper was not one of them). The stage shows especially were ready opposite the glam rock scene. Glam rock was upbeat and Cooper was rough around the edges. If Alice Cooper is glam rock than Guns N' Roses are hair metal, which in my opinion neither are. The only way Alice can be misinterpreted as a glam rock act is that he and his band appeared on an old 1988 collection called Glam Rock and on it he didn't sound like any of those acts. Alice Cooper made lots of great music in several other genres, but still for the most part Alice was a heavy metal pioneer and one of the most important artists in that genre's history.
Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 13:22pm
Well its pretty obvious you know nothing of his early years, when was was specifically called " GLAM " and FYI Before the whole black makeup thing, he dressed the same as the mentioned bands you named. Glitter, blue eyeshadow, lipstick, shiny clothes.. were part of his act. His elaborate stage show was nothing in his early days per say. Easy Action, Pretties for you, Easy Action and Killer..Just a Man wearing womens clothes and makeup fronting a band wearing the same.
Posted by A.R. on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 13:28pm
Here is a question - can you define the difference between Glam, Hard Rock and Metal? IMO, it is all interwoven.
Posted by Dameon666 on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 13:44pm
You made reference that to some of the albums like the Schools Out and Billion Dollar Babies are glam. The tours for both were dirty and grittier than anything glam, the lyrics not glam, and the music did not sound like British glam rock. Are you actually going to say that you would put "Billion Dollar Babies" into the same category as "Little Willy"(don't get me wrong when I say that because I like Sweet). His music didn't sound like any of those bands.
Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 14:10pm
I agree. Alice Cooper should have been inducted by now and he is always in my top 5 for artist who I want to see inducted and have left an undeniable mark on rock music.
Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 14:14pm
I agree, its all combined together. But dude man, you can not escape the fact that early Alice was glam. Alice's early shows leading up to the Schools out Tour was pure glam rock. You Can youtube his shows from circa 69 to 71 which are very glam. and do not have the theatric stage show.
Posted by A.R. on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 16:32pm
The Alice Cooper Band was never pure glam at any stage in their career. They were always a little darker and more vaudvillian. AC's music never sounded like T-Rex, Sweet, Bowie, etc. DudeMan meakes an excellent point.
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 16:43pm
Exactly Dameon, it's all about the sound. And A.R., I'm gald you realize that the School's Out album and tour are not glam, but I still don't think his early years were glam rock. Yes, he and the band did wear make-up and everything that came with it, yet like you said "ugliest women". It wasn't meant to be frilly and nice like the glam rock acts and the sound wasn't like any of those bands.
Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 18:08pm
Glam, Hard Rock, & Metal are all the same?
Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 18:09pm
I never saw Alice or KISS as Glam bands. It was labeled as Shock Rock if I remember correctly. The NY Dolls were more Glam than anything else in the States, but their music had more of an edge to it. Which is probably why they were so influential on the Punk scene. There was a band called Angel who shared the same record label as KISS. They was an Americcan Glam band that moved along the same lines as T-Rex and Mott.
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 18:32pm
I agreed that Cooper should be inducted, I never agreed that the genres were the same, but one genre can be influenced by another. Example: Kiss a heavy metal band mainly influenced by glam rock bands like Slade(they said "Rock and Roll All Night" was inspired by "Cum on Feel the Noize"). I personally think Cooper has most in common with heavy metal than the other two, but I'm sure for a man that has experimented so much he has influenced the other two.
Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 18:47pm
Kiss were influneced by Alice Cooper too.. A Glam Alice.. I believe it was Gene who said that when he saw Alice perform I'm Eighteen, In his makeup, and got such a impact and reaction that he did.. he knew thats what he wanted to do. The American Glam Rock bands had a different sound to those in England.. Comparing Alice Cooper's sound to Bowie for example.. Alice's is a bit " ruff " Alice to T-rex, again Alice is " ruff ". Compairing British bands to American bands is kinda pointless, because they are going to have a differnt sound and take on the genre's and Image.
Posted by A.R. on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 19:33pm
Posted by A.R. on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 19:35pm
Different genres bleed into others and no one can dispute that point.
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 20:25pm
That pic is pretty funny and I can't deny it's the glam look. Still does the music correspond to the style. I understand where you are coming from with the different sound from different continents, but there is still a huge diference in the music. Even onthe early albums. "Levity Ball" was one of the heaviest songs of 1969. Also, Kiss was definately influenced by Alice, yet I would say "I'm Eighteen" the song has more to do with proto-punk than glam because of the theme, length, and the fact that Johnny Rotten used it to get into the Sex Pistols.
Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 20:28pm
Also A.R. look at the cover of Love it to Death for few minutes. Now does that really look glam or is it something darker? What's pretty about it? Absoulutely nothing in my opinion.
Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 21:16pm
Deffinatly, looking at the album cover, Minus the drunken Alice.. Alice is dressed in a spagetti strap tank as well as another member..( Womens Clothing)and Im pretty sure if it were not in black and white then you would be able to see the makeup. Around the time of that album, Bowie was wearing dress's on stage.. And there was NOTHING to classify Bowie's sound at the time. Until the buildup to Ziggy, Which I am sure thats where he was heading, being as smart as he is. I remember seeing Alice perform I'm Eighteen in the getup from the picure I posted. Punk Rock's roots come from Glam Rock.. well I will say MOST of the roots.. If you take Levity Ball and Compare it to Ziggy Stardust or many of the " Glam " phase.. it deffinatly fits in. Even Looking at the back photo of the album.. Very Glam.. The Alice Cooper Band are pretty much wearing what the members of Bowie's band were wearing at the time of Ziggy if not before.
Posted by A.R. on Thursday, 05.21.09 @ 22:12pm
A.R. - If you check just about every music source, you will not see Glam as one of the genres associated with A.C. I like to use AMG as a source for all these music. Even Wiki doesn't list glam for Alice. He was vaudeville and shock. Just because you wear make-up on your face and glittery clothes doesn't mean that you are glam. Glam was also an attitude; kind of like Liberace of the 70's.
Posted by Dameon on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 05:33am
Check this out:
Posted by Dameon on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 07:24am
I never said that Bowie wore dresses for Ziggy. Around the time of Alice's love it to death, was " The Man Who Sold the World" which is when Bowie wore dresses, The next album.. Hunky Dory, started opening the doors to introduce " Ziggy Stardust." Wiki does list Alice as Glam " the then glam band Alice Cooper," From the Coven entry. There was Nothing Vaudville or shocking about those stage shows. And the Deffination of Glam Rock on Wiki say Alice Cooper in the list of bands it names.
Posted by A.R. on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 10:55am
A,R, - nice chatting with you. Always good to find someone who actually appreciates Angel.
Posted by Dameon on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 11:01am
Its deff. based on opinions, I see his early stuff as glam. but after that.. metal.. in a sense.
Posted by A.R. on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 12:12pm
In my opinion if you look at the cover of Love it to Death there's nothing glam and I feel it's metal. The image isn't pretty, it's rough and dirty and he was singing and the band were playing about alienation and not about glam subjects. Still we could keep at this for a long time and it's clear A.R. that you and me are not going to change our opinions, so I'm going to try and end it with this. Not sure if you have seen this yet, but it's one of the greatest performances in rock.
Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 13:04pm
Oh yea I have seen that, I have Almost all of the Beat Club preformace sets.. great collection btw. Comparing it to the yr before in 71. here:
Posted by A.R. on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 15:07pm
ehhh of this year? I'd say...
Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 06.1.09 @ 23:15pm
Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 07.9.09 @ 15:45pm
Paul Rodgers needs to get in with Free or Bad Company. Not solo. SRV is almost certain. Bon Jovi will probably get in whether people like it or not (kind of a U2 story here)
Posted by Keebord on Thursday, 07.9.09 @ 15:48pm
you are telling me rush and deep purple arent in the hall of fame?!?!?! oh they just happen to have 2 of the best drummers on earth in their bands.(someone try to argue that). ritchie blackmore makes his guitar melt for deep purple. rush has sooo many brilliant, well put together, difficult songs. my mind is blown that they are not in. i'm actually pissed. and to think, i was just arguing that coldplay shouldnt make it. imagine this scenario... it's coldplay or rush? it's coldplay or deep purple? get real!!! poor neil young
Posted by charlie on Monday, 11.9.09 @ 10:02am
Smiths. Without them, there would be no Blur, Suede, Radiohead, Oasis, or even Coldplay. This is just a short list of who they inspired.
Posted by 3MTA3 on Thursday, 03.25.10 @ 15:38pm
The Smiths, Pantera, Slayer, SRV and Anthrax should definitely be inducted. There are some more there who there might be room to argue for but odds are none of those will get in. I could see The Smiths and SRV making it eventually.
Posted by Sam on Thursday, 06.10.10 @ 16:31pm
Jon Bon Jovi é o melhor . e ponto final
Posted by fernando on Wednesday, 12.21.11 @ 17:49pm
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