|Rock & Roll Hall of Famer|
Inducted in: 2009
Inducted by: Eminem
Nominated in: 2009
First Eligible: 2009 Ceremony
Inducted Members: Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Jason "Jam-Master Jay" Mizell and Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons
Inducted into Rock Hall Revisited in 2009 (ranked #51) .
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the kings of rap
Posted by M on Sunday, 07.16.06 @ 01:18am
DMC is not rock and roll
Posted by D on Thursday, 07.20.06 @ 14:14pm
They belong on the Mt. Rushmore of rap, with Grandmaster Flash, the Beastie Boys, and Dr. Dre.
Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 10.20.06 @ 06:40am
HIP HOP AND RAD IS NOT ROCK
Posted by SHAWN on Friday, 10.20.06 @ 11:18am
I agree that they aren't RnR, however they were one of, if not the first rap group to embrace the merging of Rap and Rock which is common today. They were ahead of their time.
Posted by Robert on Friday, 10.20.06 @ 11:29am
What did they do besides Walk This Way?
Posted by Retro on Tuesday, 10.31.06 @ 17:06pm
So what if hip-hop isnt rock, people like it and any great hip hop artists should be inducted.
Posted by ed on Saturday, 12.2.06 @ 02:34am
I agree that they aren't RnR, however they were one of, if not the first rap group to embrace the merging of Rap and Rock which is common today. They were ahead of their time.
Posted by curt on Sunday, 12.10.06 @ 09:49am
Aerosmith was failing.They lost Joe Perry,Done with Mirror was a flop and Rocks wasnt much better at least compared to Get your wings.They were also playin half full amphitheatres and arenas by 85 cuz they sucked they were so wasted.I used to have the bootlegs to prove it.Plus its common knowledge.The Run_DMC verision also sold WAY more copies as a single. I know a lot of you purists are Anti-Rap,but I say Hip-Hop is rock n roll.It has the same verba;l cadence style as old Rock n roll and R&B DJ's from the 40's and 50's and you can also see the influnce the Jamaican "Toasters" of the rock steady era had on old New York MC's( alot of Jamaicans in NYC) Hip Hop is a much a part of the larger rock'n'roll canon as much as punk,harcore,reggae,ska,funk,metal and old school thrash.Just cuz you dont like it doesnt change that. I also think alot of you "rock" purists are a bunch old farts and feather/mullet heads who think Reo Speedwagon ####in rocks and hate rap cuz its too black.Not the gangster stuff I can see why people object to that. People should educate themselves about something before they call people idiots.It makes you sound...ya know....stupid. Besides if you are such a goddman purist,throw out your Hendrix records and stick to Louis Jordan and The Ink Spots(Duuuuhhh WHO??)
Posted by Nate on Thursday, 01.18.07 @ 15:12pm
If they Induct Rap Artists(which they are doing because in 2007 they will be inducting Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five) they should induct RUN DMC because they helped popularize it.
Posted by Master on Saturday, 01.20.07 @ 19:40pm
Now you guys know that there is no way in hell that the Beastie Boys will goe in the Hall before RUN-DMC!!! A lot of you all don't know that the Beasties where originally a PUNK ROCK band. Not a Rap/Hip-Hop group. Yeah that's right!!! Iggy Pop and THE STOOGES will get in the Rock Hall way before the Beastie Boys ever will.
Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 02.1.07 @ 14:42pm
I know they were a punk band originally, but they are more recognized for their career in rap, which spans 3 decades.I agree their are other hip hop artists (Run-DMC,Kurtis Blow, etc.) that deserve to get in before the beasties, but they do have an influence on rock & Roll. Hip hop and rap do have a place in the hall of fame, as much as it may pain "rock purists".
Posted by drp on Thursday, 02.1.07 @ 20:21pm
forgot to add this to my lastcomment, but Run DMC does deserve a spot in the hall of fame. They definitely had rock influence, as does rap and hip hop. If you don't believe me, listen to their songs Rock Block, King of rock, and (of course) Walk this Way.
Posted by drp on Thursday, 02.1.07 @ 20:25pm
All of this talk about Run-DMC, LL Cool J, The Beastie Boys, and Slayer getting considered for the Hall!!! Don't you guys know that all of these artist have a similar link . Hmmm !!! I wonder who it is ???? Ohhh!!! RICK RUBIN that's who!!! He helped produce a lot of these groups early albums. Just read the credits on the back of the album covers.
Posted by Joe-Skee on Friday, 02.2.07 @ 09:56am
Posted by Brad on Tuesday, 02.6.07 @ 21:23pm
Way to completely ignore Nate's points, Brad.
Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 02.6.07 @ 23:33pm
If Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five were inducted there is no reason to keep Run DMC out. The problem is that "The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" is a bad name for this institution. In recent years it has gotten away from just pure rock, it is more of a Music Hall of Fame now. Look at the Bee Gees, Earth Wind & Fire, P-Funk... they are not rock and roll either, but no one seems to mind that they are enshrined.
Posted by MikeV on Friday, 03.16.07 @ 08:31am
i really hope that they don't make it, but sadly, they will
Posted by jim on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 18:26pm
Of course they should get in, just because they arent plain Rock, Elvis wasnt Rock, he was a Blues artist, as was Led Zeppelin for the most part.
Posted by Shadow Of Oblivion on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 22:20pm
Rap isn't rock and roll, and doing one song with aerosmith isn't enough to get you a spot.
Posted by Eric on Thursday, 04.26.07 @ 00:07am
Rock and ROLL - the words are a hang for myopics.
Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 14:38pm
Rock and roll "purists" who are adamant that hard core rock should only define rock and roll and only these acts should be in the Rock Hall should consider the origins of Rock and Roll itself, as well as where hard core rockers like Led Zeppelin, Eric Clapton, Keith Richards, Aerosmith, and The Who who were attempting to emulate R&B and blues guitarists - which they all freely admit to - with feedback on overdriven amplifiers popularized by Jimi Hendrix, another blues guitarist; and singers like Otis Redding and Ruth Brown. It's their personal interpretation of a sound, like when Ray Charles released his country and western album.
Posted by Moni3 on Wednesday, 05.9.07 @ 08:44am
Another renegade of funk..ahem...rap pioneer. Collaborated with Aerosmith, contributed to rap rock...get in the hall!
Posted by maplejet on Tuesday, 05.22.07 @ 14:10pm
I like Run D.M.C, they're the kings of rap, but they're not Rock and Roll whats with the Rock and Roll Hall.
Posted by rockrockrockandroll on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 18:30pm
RUN-DMC's influence on a music "genre" that wasn't supposed to last more than 3 or 4 years is "PRICELESS". They say inductees should have some palpable form of "innovation", well go look at the record charts these days and tell me they weren't innovators. Being a white kid growing up in Bed-Stuy/East Flatbush, I can say from experience, RUN, JAY AND DARREL influenced everything from the clothes on our back to the shoes on our feet. I'd like the "powers that be" to tell me just how many artists in the Hall of Fame already can make the same claim. HMMM, I can't recall flossin down on Fulton wearing my fresh new pair of REM kicks. I would've been beat til I was unrecognizable.
Posted by Jason (aka CHAMROC) on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 13:47pm
"Don't even get me started on Elivs Costello.."
Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 14:14pm
LOL, OOOH I'm shakin in my shell adidas. Kit is that some sort of "term of endearment" you have for EC? What does he call you?? No wait let me guess, ZIT?? (EXPLANATION NOT NECESSARY LMAO)
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 14:48pm
Don't even get me started on Elvis Costello who went in with his group the name escapes me (Hey I get lucky every now and again).
Posted by PJ on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 15:18pm
Costello referred to James Brown as a "jive-ass n***er," then upped the ante by pronouncing Ray Charles a "blind, ignorant n***er." (quote from WIKIPEDIA)
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 15:40pm
"No wait let me guess, ZIT?? (EXPLANATION NOT NECESSARY LMAO)"
Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 15:41pm
I find fault with anyone who is a proven RACIST!!!
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 15:52pm
"Costello referred to James Brown as a.."
Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:06pm
"However, seeing as you asked what fault I found, it's not shocking to come to the obvious conclusion you subscribe to the same ignorance."
Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:08pm
When he made those comments, Costello was both drunk and being needled by a bar patron. Basically he said what he said to shock the person into silence. It's also worth noting that Elvis' very next album, Get Happy!, is stamped all over with Motown, R&B, and Soul influence. You can't write him off as a racist for one outburst, one that Ray and James themselves forgave him for.
Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:17pm
When somebody posts a comment about Kicking My Ass, calming down isn't even an option. As far as Elvis Costello is concerned, my earlier comment (had you read and comprehended) was the fact that The Attractions were inducted with him. The same Attractions who at Live Aid he opted to ditch and go on stage solo, some loyalty.
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:20pm
It was ajoke, referring to my Elvis Costello fandom and passion. Please don't take anything more seriously than it is meant to be.
Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:23pm
It's almost commical to see the two of you jumping on this "I said it to shock the guy who I was talking to" bs. Anytime a "famous" figure is caught in such a manner as Elvis Costello was, they all come up with some non-sense, a pathetic excuse. But, this garhage is by far one of the most pathetic exhibitions of back tracking I've seen. The fact that he went completely overboard on his next album only reinforces his own feelings of guilt and the need to unblemish his rep in the eyes of his fans.
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:26pm
This is my first time posting here and I have to admit I got pissed when I started looking at the artists who have been snubbed, my apologies if I mistook what you say was a JOKE.
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:30pm
Okay, so let's just take every thing people say while drunk and irritated at complete face value.
Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:31pm
"When somebody posts a comment about Kicking My Ass, calming down isn't even an option."
Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:32pm
I guess my attempt at civility is all for naught. Let me ask you this, were you there when he said those racial comments?? So, you're taking him at his word that he was drunk to begin with. The same man who dithches his own band at a huge concert and uses the N word to describe to music ICONS, I didn't even mention the blind comment (or elaborate) which is unusual for me since my mother was blind.
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:35pm
It's become blatantly obvious the problem here is we are all posting to comments whilt the others are being more civil, I for one am cool I understand your points and hope you understand my dislike for the "public" display. I can't say that I've even listened to Costello other than "Everyday I Write the Book".
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:38pm
"If you are of the mind to continue defending racisim, go for it, I don't promote ignorance."
Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:38pm
I'll hold off on that "ass" comment since I believe again that we are fighting a battle of typing and posting.
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:41pm
"I guess my attempt at civility is all for naught."
Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:41pm
I generally write in a style drenched in sarcasm. I don't intend to be uncivil, it just is my natural prose.
Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:44pm
I could not have typed it better myself lol.
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:44pm
I'd like to turn this toward a more positive light. With all the controversy that has been going on with the RNR HOF, wouldn't it be better if they just increased the number of inductions each year?? At least until they get all those they've snubbed where they belong?
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:47pm
"I can't say that I've even listened to Costello other than "Everyday I Write the Book"."
Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:48pm
Thank Goodness for Bearshare, I think. Now, I have a question for the life of me I can't recall where I've heard that song "PUMP IT UP". I know I heard it in a movie but it wasn't Costello singing, same beat, I like that song. Did he cover it or was he covered??
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 17:16pm
"wouldn't it be better if they just increased the number of inductions each year??"
Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 18:22pm
I've been reading a few articles, as well as the ROR page on wikipedia and this Hall comes across as the one that a majority of fans and artists are disgusted with. Leaving Induction up to 3 or 4 basic self-appoints is ridiculous. The fans should be voting these musicians in.
Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 18:58pm
"The fans should be voting these musicians in."-Jason
Posted by William on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 23:06pm
I can see your point, I should have elaborated that fan voting would occur only after the Artists meet certain criteria, for example had to have at least 5 album releases with at least 1 album reaching the Top 5 on Billboard or something that thins out the huge back log of artists waiting.
Posted by Jason on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 19:36pm
I only wish Larry Bud Melman were still alive to be RUN-DMCs Induction Presenter so they can do a little spin on their King of Rock video, LOL.
Posted by Jason on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 19:52pm
The MIRACLES are one of the greatest singing groups of ALL TIME !!! Not only that , but also one of the most INFLUENTIAL !! AND THAT'S ALL THE MEMBERS, NOT JUST SMOKEY !!!THE MIRACLES STARTED THE ENTIRE MOTOWN PHENOMONON!!! Unlike the Temptations , Supremes , & Four Tops, THE MIRACLES wrote almost all of their OWN material ,ALL OF THEM ...NOT JUST SMOKEY !! Don't believe it ?? Just read the writing credits on their records!!! They don't just list "Robinson" as the credited writer, but " ROBINSON, ROGERS, MOORE, WHITE , AND TARPLIN !!! ALL OF THEM !!! THIS INFORMATION IS READILY AVAILABLE ! WHY THE RRHOF INDUCTION COMMITTEE DIDN'T GET IT IS BEYOND ME !! OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDNT TRY ! If you need further proof, just Go on AMAZON or your local music store, and pick up the DVD: SMOKEY ROBINSON AND THE MIRACLES: THE DEFINITIVE DVD COLLECTION ( part of the new Motown "definitive DVD series ". 3 of the original MIRACLES are interviewed : Pete Moore, Smokey Robinson, and Bobby Rogers.It is revealed on this DVD something long time MIRACLES fans always knew.... that ALL OF THE MIRACLES wrote their many hits .... not just SMOKEY !!! not only that , but 9 of the Temptations first 12 hits were written by the MIRACLES TOO !!! AND , THAT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBURG!!! they've also written for MARVIN GAYE ("AINT THAT PECULIAR","I'LL BE DOGGONE","ONE MORE HEARTACHE") MARY WELLS ( "MY GUY", "TWO LOVERS" "THE ONE WHO REALLY LOVES YOU " "WHAT TWO CAN EASILY DO"),THE CONTOURS ( "FIRST I LOOK AT THE PURSE".... (later covered by the J GEILS BAND), "THAT DAY WHEN SHE NEEDED ME") THE MARVELETTES ("DON'T MESS WITH BILL","MY BABY MUST BE A MAGICIAN, " THE HUNTER GETS CAPTURED BY THE GAME" ... AND ALSO HITS BTY KIM WESTON, BRENDA HOLLOWAY, THE FOUR TOPS, AND MORE !!! HOW MANY MIRACLES SONGS (OR ANYONE ELSES) DID THE TEMPTATIONS OR THE SUPREMES WRITE ?? THINK ABOUT IT. But THEY'RE IN THE HALL OF FAME AND THE MIRACLES ARE NOT ?! AND FOR THOSE WHO SAY SMOKEY WAS THE GROUP'S ONLY TALENTED WRITER, I SAY,"WHAT ABOUT "LOVE MACHINE " WRITTEN BY MIRACLES PETE MOORE & BILLY GRIFFIN.... A MULTI- MILLION SELLING #1 POP SMASH....That came from the self-written platinum album "CITY OF ANGELS"..."WHERE WAS SMOKEY WHEN THAT ONE WAS WRITTEN ? IN FACT JANN WENNER'S OWN ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE LISTS THE MIRACLES # 32 on their list of "THE IMMORTALS: THE 50 GREATEST ARTISTS OF ALL TIME" .... MAKING THEM THE TOP -RANKING MOTOWN GROUP IN THE LISTING .... ALL OF THEM .... NOT JUST SMOKEY !!!(DO YOU SEE A PATTERN HERE ?) HOW CAN WENNER'S OWN MAGAZINE RANK THE MIRACLES SO HIGH ON THIS LIST , AHEAD OF SUCH ARTISTS AS MADONNA, ERIC CLAPTON , & THE DOORS, AMONG OTHERS.... AND YET EXCLUDE THEM FROM RRHOF INDUCTION ? I SUGGEST TO A N Y O N E WHO FEELS THAT THE MIRACLES DON'T DESERVE INDUCTION.... LOOK UP " THE MIRACLES ON WIKIPEDIA. SEE HOW MANY ARTISTS HAVE COVERED THEIR SONGS. SEE HOW MANY HITS THEY'VE WRITTEN FOR OTHERS. SEE HOW IMPORTANT THEY WERE IN THE FORMATION OF MOTOWN. You can't GET more influential than THE MIRACLES... in ANY musical genre!!! then look up the RONETTES ,or PERCY SLEDGE by comparision....see if they even come CLOSE.... IN HIT RECORDS OR INFLUENCE !!! IF YOU'RE NOT CONVINCED BY THEN THAT THE MIRACLES- SMOKEY ROBINSON, BOBBY ROGERS, PETE MOORE, RONNIE WHITE, MARV TARPLIN, & CLAUDETTE ROGERS- ROBINSON- DONT DESERVE INDUCTION INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME....THEN NO ONE SHOULD !!!
Posted by BILL G on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 02:36am
oh.... and one more thing ... until more DESERVING R&B artists...such as the SPINNERS, LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS, THE MARVELETTES,THE MANHATTANS, JR WALKER & THE ALL- STARS, MARY WELLS,THE FAMOUS FLAMES (JAMES BROWN'S VOCAL GROUP),THE INTRUDERS, THE DRAMATICS,THE CHI-LITES,THE STYLISTICS,OR THE DELFONICS get inducted....that REALLY influenced music....THEN LEAVE THE RAP ARTISTS AT HOME !!!
Posted by BILL G on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 02:47am
Well I don't know all the groups you listed but you must admitt than Run DMC is more important in rap music than "the dramatics" or "the stylistics" in R&b. If the hall consider rap then they will enter for sure. Seriously they won't steal their place. r&B has his place and rap too;why one would prevent the other from recognition?
Posted by roméo on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 03:06am
JUST BECAUSE YOU PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW THESE GROUPS,OR BECAUSE THE WORLD OF WHITE ROCK MUSIC DOESN'T CONSIDER THEM IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF "POP" SUCCESS, DOESNT MEAN THEY DON'T MERIT INDUCTION.THE DELLS, WHO WERE INDUCTED 3 YEARS AGO,HAD RELATIVELY LIMITED POP SUCCESS ,BUT THEY DEFINITELY MERITED INDUCTION,BASED ON THE SHEER NUMBER OF HITS THEY HAD AND THEIR 50 PLUS YEARS OF LONGEVITY. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THESE ARTISTS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 35 YEARS, (AND SOME OVER 50...LIKE THE MIRACLES AND LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS), AND HAD NUMEROUS HITS ON THE R&B & POP CHARTS.THE DRAMATICS HAVEBEEN AROUND SINCE THE LATE 60'S...AND HAVE HAD MORE THAN 40 HITS ON THE R&B CHARTS , INCLUDING THE TOP 10 POP MILLION SELLERS "(I WANNA GO OUTSIDE ) IN THE RAIN AND "WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET". THEY LITERALLY AND SINGLE HANDEDLY KEPT " THE DETROIT SOUND" ALIVE LONG AFTER BERRY GORDY'S MOTOWN RECORDS PICKED UP STAKES AND HEADED WEST BACK IN THE LATE 60'S .... AND WERE STAX RECORDS' ONLY SERIOUSLY COMPETITIVE ACT TO THE ARTISTS OF THAT DETROIT- BASED LABEL.... THE STYLISTICS BECAME THE LEADING EXPONENTS OF THE " PHILIDELPHIA SOUND" IN THE 70'S.... THEIR THOM BELL PRODUCED HITS INCLUDED SEVERAL MILLION SELLERS...SUCH AS "YOU MAKE ME FEEL BRAND NEW" "YOU ARE EVERYTHING","BREAK UP TO MAKE UP",AND "I'M STONE IN LOVE WITH YOU" THEY ARE ALSO AMONG THE BIGGEST R&B GROUPS IN TERMS OF INTERNATIONAL CHART SUCCESS.RUN DMC ONLY GOT AS BIG AS THEY DID BECAUSE THEY COVERED AN AEROSMITH HIT THAT WAS ALREADY POPULAR.... AND THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN WRITE .... THE MIRACLES (ALL OF THEM, NOT JUST SMOKEY),HAVE WRITTEN LITERALLY DOZENS OF HITS FOR SCORES OF DIFFERENT ARTISTS ... THEIR SONGS HAVE BECOME LEGENDARY...THEIR HITS HAVE BECOME CLASSICS .... PERCY SLEDGE ONLY HAD ONE BIG HIT ...THE RONETTES ONLY 4... PATTY SMITH HASN'T EVEN HAD ONE SINGLE SONG EVEN HIT THE TOP 20... BUT THE MIRACLES HAVE HAD OVER 50 CHART HITS... LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS HAVE HAD 50 YEARS OF UNION.... WITH MANY CLASSIC HITS THAT HAVE BECOME MILLION SELLING STANDARDS... SUCH AS " GOING OUT OF MY HEAD " (A FOUR MILLION SELLER )"HURT SO BAD",I'M ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN", "TAKE ME BACK" "TEARS ON MY PILLOW" "TWO PEOPLE IN THE WORLD",SHIMMY SHIMMY KOKO BOP (FEATURED IN THE TOM HANKS MOVIE "BIG"), "I MISS YOU SO",AND MORE. IT'S HIGH TIME THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME STOPPED HONORING UNDESERVING ACTS SIMPLY ON THE BASIS OF HUGE POP SUCCESS AND MTV AIRPLAY... AND STARTED HONORING THE ARTISTS WHO WERE THE R E A L INNOVATORS AND ARCHITECTS OF TODAYS MUSIC . IT'S ALSO TIME THAT THE PUBLIC SITS DOWN AND READ THE HISTORY OF ROCK AND ROLL...AND EDUCATE ITSELF ON THE IMPORTANCE OF R&B IN ROCK'S DEVELOPMENT...BECAUSE WITHOUT R&B THERE WOULD BE NO ROCK AND ROLL TODAY!!! STOP HONORING ARTISTS AND GROUPS JUST ON THE BASIS THAT THEY ADMIT THEY WERE "INFLUENCED BY R&B" AND HONOR THE R&B ARTISTS THAT MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE !!!
Posted by bill g on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 11:00am
Posted by William on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 11:04am
Calm. I like R&B and i am not against inducting all those legends. But this is not reserved to R&b, it's normal to induct other genres. r&B is not the most snubbed act(prog i.E).And there is no way Run DMC would suffer because of the lack of recognition of R&B.There is a place for everybody.
Posted by roméo on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 12:13pm
Oh and one more thing , Romeo...don't feel bad because you don't know more about these artists ...R&B music , and the artists who make it ,have always been maligned and under - represented in the media... MTV in it's early years actually banned them... and wouldn't even play videos by R&b artists....until Michael Jackson's phenomenal success forced them to pay attention...throughout the history of Rock and Roll,and even before that, Black artists have had to fight and struggle for every shread of recognition given them by the media...so most of the mainstream public doesn't know much about R&B ....except for the rock artists who copy their records and performance styles.... Dick Clark's "American Bandstand" showcased many of them in the 50's and 60's .... but it wasn't until the success of MOTOWN RECORDS in the 60's (for which the MIRACLES were largely responsible) and advent of the Don Cornielius program SOUL TRAIN in the early 70's, that R&B artists had an outlet that could get them seen & heard nationwide....but today , mainstream radio and television has done a flip flop....and gone to banning ,for the large part ,classic r&b and the artists who make it .... replacing it with Rap & Hip Hop. Many of these classic artists are still making new records today... but they're not getting airplay,because the company that owns and operates most radio stations in America today has issued orders to it's owned stations not to play them !!! If not for PBS, these artists wouldn't even be seen on T.V today. A suggestion....go on the internet to "Wikipedia".... and look up the histories of the artists I've mentioned....learn about them...and then come back and tell me that artists that have had minimum hits with maximum exposure , that have never had problems getting on T.V.,deserve more credit and honors than R&B artists that have been around for decades!!!!
Posted by BILL G on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 12:47pm
A big BRAVO to Bill G for schooling people on the history of R&B.
Posted by Michael H. on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 13:03pm
The incredible success of SOUL TRAIN (now in it's 36th year on television) proved that there is a market for classic R&b music.But over the last year, something very interesting has happened.For the 2006-2007 season, SOUL TRAIN has stopped running first- run episodes.Don Cornielius has decided instead to air classic SOUL TRAIN episodes from the the show's illustrious past. The reasons for this are clear.You can find out why by going to the now famous "JUMP THE SHARK" website. For the uninitiated, the "term "JUMP THE SHARK" refers to the point at which a television series has "passed it's peak" and has proceded to go downhill.On this website (JUMP THE SHARK.COM), hundreds of once-popular television series are listed. According to viewers, the point at which SOUL TRAIN "Jumped The Shark" were: when Don Cornielius retired as host after 22 years , deciding instead to focus on his off- camera role as executive producer, and the other was when SOUL TRAIN stopped focusing on soul music , and started focusing on RAP & HIP-HOP artists. There is a backlash going on today against these forms of music , and the artists who make it for one reason : That over the past 20 years or so, there has been a planned ,carefully orchestrated effort to get rid of classic R&B ,and the artists who make it,off the television and radio airwaves , and replace it with RAP & HIP-HOP AS THE PREDOMINATE FORMS OF BLACK MUSIC TODAY !!! PBS has mentioned it several times ON THEIR TELECASTS. ABC'S Nightline even did a story on it. One writer ,Romeo, in his comment, said "there is a place for everybody".... but in fact THERE ISNT !!! The powers that be in this country that control what you hear on the radio and what you see on television want this music (R&B) and the artists who make it to JUST GO AWAY!! Awards shows (like the RRHOF) DON'T WANT TO HONOR THESE ARTISTS. OTHER PROGRAMS WON'T PROMOTE THEIR NEW RECORDINGS !!! These actions have forced many "classic soul " artists to give up on the United States and migrate to Europe and elsewhere where their music and new recordings are still played and appreciated. Examples : CHAKA KHAN,TINA TURNER, JIMMY RUFFIN,EDWIN STARR (before his untimely death) ,several members of THE PLATTERS & THE DRIFTERS.....and the list is growing !!! There are people in this country who want to hear new music from the artists they grew up with .... not constantly being barraged with rap & hip-hop. There is no equal playing field here. the media is focusing on only one form of black music today, and if you don't like it,then you're just out of luck... the nationwide protest is growing,and is gaining momentium. several radio stations are changing their formats to focus on classic r&b artists , and their old and new recordings. PBS is leading the charge on television. (thank goodness SOMEONE HAS)...and now SOUL TRAIN has entered the fight . CLASSIC SOUL SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PASS INTO HISTORY !! The ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME SHOULD HONOR THESE ARTISTS !! After several initial years of equality ,inducting equal numbers of Black and White artists into the Hall , things have changed in recent years to the point that only one or two black artists are inducted yearly,and the rest are all White Rock artists....That is not fair , and it is high time for a change.In the field of music, demand is CREATED by supply.... not the other way around. if Television doesn't show it , and Radio doesn't play it , and the awards shows don't honor it, how will the public know that it's there ? Over the last 15 years or so, I've seen new recordings in record stores by : the Miracles, the Temptations, The Spinners, The Dramatics, The Chi-lites, Smokey Robinson,Solomon Burke,and many more classic soul artists.Many of these artists are making their best recordings now it's time these artists got airplay. It's time for a change.
Posted by Bill G on Sunday, 06.10.07 @ 11:17am
Bill G, the RRHOF has plenty of problems with it. But one thing the RRHOF has done a great job with is inducting important Early Influences and soul / R&B artists, which means plenty of black artists. Which R&B and Soul artists would you like to see inducted that have not been inducted so far? Remember, this is not an R&B hall of fame, so any artists of this genre inducted must have crossed over enough and influenced rock and roll in a direct way. In my view, the RRHOF has already inducted most or all of those artists (Aretha, Marvin, Otis, Tempts, Smokey, Solomon, etc.) Hell, they have even inducted some questionable ones, like Percy "I'm in because of one song" Sledge. The RRHOF has done a good job of acknowledging artists of other genres who have influenced rock and roll enough to warrant their induction in a Hall of Fame focusing on rock music. Again, who is really missing?
Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 06.10.07 @ 14:14pm
OK, Bill G, just read some of your previous posts more thoroughly, and I see that you do list some candidates that you would like to see inducted. But my point still stands, the RRHOF has gotten most of the really important ones, and as this is a Rock and Roll focused Hall of Fame, it is not necessary that an exhaustive list of musicians from other genres, even considering how important R&B is to rock and roll's roots, be inducted. I think the R&B influencers have been represented pretty well. I think there are more egregious omissions as far as blues innovators who influenced rock (where the hell is Sonny Boy Williamson, for instance?) or country artists who influenced rock (it is cool that Cash is there, but what about Willie Nelson? Waylon Jennings? Kris Kristofferson?)
Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 06.10.07 @ 14:27pm
Bill - dude....
Posted by shawn mc on Sunday, 06.10.07 @ 14:34pm
OK guys ,here's the deal.Point one: I'm not the only one that said there's a conspiracy- PBS did.... on several of their specials....also if you check at the Soul Patrol website,(not the one for Taylor Hicks, the REAL one),you'll read about this in greater detail . the culprit is the corporation that , as I said before , that owns and or operates most of the radio stations in America (I wont give their name, but their initials are "CCC".Point two: their are many different types of rock radio stations in America,formats such as Top 40 rock , album- oriented rock, soft rock, hard rock/ heavy metal. Most major cities have them all . But in most markets or major cities, there is usually only one Black music station . If that one station is only playing Rap or hip- hop,and nothing else, where does that leave room for classic r&b/soul ? what about lovers of that type of music that may not want to hear rap or hip hop ? Point three: the whole point of saying " this is not a R&B hall of fame" is ludicrous.... for many reasons ,first of which that rock and roll came from r&b in the first place.and anyone who says otherwise hasn't read, or simply doesnt know- the history of Rock and Roll. Second , because many artists that are in the Hall are not rock artists either . If you want to keep r&b artists out, then you have to exclude Johnny Cash (country) Miles Davis (Jazz},Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five (Rap)and Bob Marley (reggae) ....get the picture ? But , THEY'RE all in the Hall !! The fact that these artists have been inducted indicates the RRHOF IS WILLING TO BEND THE RULES AS IT SEES FIT.Also the sheer number of R&b acts that were inducted in the Hall's early days indicates that the Hall recognizes R&B as a legitimate form of the music.... so let's forget about all the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is only for Rock artists" comments.The problem is, as I said before, that in RECENT YEARS (let's talk about NOW, not in the past) very few r&b artists have been inducted... and only at the rate of one or two a year.Point four: the question of THE MIRACLES being deserving of induction. I say , most certainly YES !!! and for several reasons, many of which I've already commented on elsewhere in this website. number 1 : First of a Genre : MOTOWN is considered a genre unto itself, because it was the first super- successful Black music that crossed all racial and ethnic barriers with it's popularity.THE MIRACLES were the first Motown group, and were the BASIS AND BEDROCK upon which Berry Gordy built his legendary label.They also had the label's first million- selling record "Shop Around" .... and after that , they continued to be one of the label's biggest groups. Second, "Influence"-if you go to Wikipedia, and read "THE MIRACLES" ,in particular, the "COVER VERSIONS" section, you'll see that THE MIRACLES are the MOST COVERED MOTOWN GROUP OF ALL TIME . Everyone from THE BEATLES TO THE STONES TO MICHAEL JACKSON AND JOHNNY RIVERS and MANY MORE HAVE COVERED THEIR SONGS.They were one of JOHN LENNON'S favorite groups, and deeply influenced his writing and music.Third,during Motown's golden era ,1960-1970, they were virtually the ONLY Motown group that wrote and created the own material . They were not messengers of someone else's compositions , as THE SUPREMES, and THE TEMPTATIONS were...in fact , 9 of the TEMPTATIONS first hits were written by the MIRACLES.... AND THAT'S A FACT YOU CAN CHECK!! If the sheer number of their songs other artists have covered is any indication... THE MIRACLES should have been the FIRST Motown group inducted!! Forth: number of hits: THE MIRACLES have had over 50 CHART HITS!! One of the biggest misconceptions about this group is that Smokey did everything , and the other members did nothing. That is a LIE. ALL of the Miracles shared in writing their many hits.... AND THEY ALSO WROTE SONGS FOR MOST OF THE OTHER ARTISTS ON THE LABEL AS WELL!!! Another fact you can check . the names of ROBINSON, ROGERS, MOORE , WHITE , & TARPLIN are on the writing credits of DOZENS OF HITS BY SCORES OF DIFFERENT ARTISTS ....MOTOWN AND NON- MOTOWN ARTISTS ALIKE!! Whenever you hear THE J GEILS BAND sing "First I look At The Purse ,you're hearing the music of the Miracles...(the Contours originally recorded it,but the Miracles wrote it....or the BEATLES sing "You've Really Got A Hold On Me " .... or the STONES sing "Going To A Go Go" or Jagger & Tosh do "Don't Look Back"...or EN Vogue or The Jackson Five sing "Who's Loving You...their music is far -reaching and widely influential.An unwritten rule in the record industry is.... if you want a guaranteed hit, record an old MIRACLES song. I'm not saying that SMOKEY doesn't deserve individual recognition... he does ... but Curtis Mayfield,Michael Jackson, and each individual Beatle were given separate inductions too...BUT the groups they were associated with were also inducted !!! I have always had a much greater respect for artists who write and produce their own material, as opposed to artists who "just sing". the RRHOF is full of singers who never wrote a single lyric of music !!! How can the SUPREMES , TEMPTATIONS,VANDELLAS, AND FOUR TOPS all be inducted, (who never wrote songs) while the RRHOF ignores the one MOTOWN GROUP THAT STARTED IT ALL ?
Posted by bill G on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 01:08am
Bill.... dude.. you already made your lengthy case for The Miracles your last post -- why clog up space drifting off point AND being redundant?
Posted by shawn mc on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 01:28am
Bill G, I am not arguing with you as far as inducting the Miracles. You present good arguments for them, and they probably should have been inducted. Like I said, every genre has omissions.
Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 09:34am
I quite agree with you Dezmond but I have to say that there is no R&B act in the inductees of the two last years.i think it's impossible to induct all the important members of each genre because there would be too much inductees.
Posted by roméo on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 10:34am
Dezmond, I never said the RRHOF shouldn't induct Rock artists. Not at all. But , Romeo is right. No R&B artists in the last two years. And in the last 3 ? Percy Sledge ?! Why not at least Lou Rawls ? At least HE had a long string of hits ! They could have honored HIM by inducting him while he was still alive, instead of honoring someone who's had only one big hit .With over 70 albums, and over 40,000,000 records sold , Lou would have been a much better choice. Or even Barry White.... with over 100 million records sold !!! Both of these incredible artists died without recognition by the Hall....and both were important figures in R&B.
Posted by Bill G on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 21:50pm
I agree with you on those two, Rawls and White. Percy Sledge, with all due respect, was one of the worst inductees in Rockhall history, when you consider who is still waiting to get in. I was just saying that as far as influencing genres on rock music go, the Rockhall has already given more space for R&B artists than any other genre that influences rock.
Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 06:51am
I agree with Dezmond the name of RRHOF probably doesn't fit the museum.
Posted by Stephanie on Sunday, 08.12.07 @ 16:22pm
The only rap artist that should be in there
Posted by MaulYoda on Thursday, 09.13.07 @ 19:47pm
Run DMC were the first hip hoppers to go platinum, appear on the cover of Rolling Stone, and have a top 10 single. Had they not covered Walk This Way with Aerosmith, whose career was in the toilet, we would never have seen the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rage Against the Machine, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, etc. Plus, they were influenced by ockers like Bob Dylan, The Beatles, and Jimi Hendrix before hip hop even existed. Run DMC's a cinch, too bad Jam Master Jay won't be there to celebrate with them!!!
Posted by keith on Tuesday, 10.30.07 @ 17:54pm
If there is any justice they will be inducted. I grew up listening to hardcore punk and have never been a huge rap fan, but the more I look back at the early stuff, the more I like it. It was punk music for a different neighborhood. It was rebellious, angry at times, funny at other times, completely original and it threatened the status quo. IF that's not rock n' roll, then what is???
Posted by Dave on Tuesday, 12.4.07 @ 20:32pm
I played lead guitar in a rock band and funk band in the 70's and 80's and learned a great appreciation because it all ROCKED!! Theres a lot of artists out there who are way more deserving of being in, a point that can't be argued. Run DMC in before Chicago or the Commodores...you can't be serious!! Those bands were originals. Rappers usually sample someone elses music, so they didn't have to do the really HARD part. That stuff I hear today seems to more electronic concoctions than music. Chic, even though maybe not deserving to be in the Hall, represented an era...and that driving rhythm was HARD to play! They ROCKED!! Besides that Nile Rodgers is now one of the most respected producers around (you know, the guy who played those rhythms!!!)
Posted by Terry on Sunday, 01.27.08 @ 09:18am
Just as a side note, thank you Bill G for bringing up Lou Rawls and Barry White...think he didn't influence people in his heyday?? We can also put Teddy Pendergrass in that category. All the wonderful artists over the years who get no recognition! Go back and listen to all of it and then and ONLY then can you make an informed decision on who belongs in this Hall and why!
Posted by Terry on Sunday, 01.27.08 @ 09:53am
You're Welcome Terry. And also , I STILL would also include : THE MIRACLES , LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS , JR WALKER & THE ALL- STARS ,THE FAMOUS FLAMES (RIP BOBBY BYRD & JAMES BROWN ), THE MARVELETTES, MARY WELLS, GENE CHANDLER, THE DRAMATICS, AND THE MANHATTANS TO THAT LIST. All LONG PAST OVERDUE for INDUCTION.
Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 02.20.08 @ 10:19am
NO R&B ARTISTS now in THREE YEARS and counting. Makes you kinda wonder, doesn't it ?
Posted by Bill G on Friday, 02.22.08 @ 19:49pm
get off the point about the r&b artists, we get the point. you rambled on and on about for ever.
Posted by Brian on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 22:32pm
Rare Earth?? They were basically just a Motown cover band...that's all I ever heard them do. Their only real noteriety was being the first Motown rock band...but every label had a first rock band...
Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 06:28am
But they put on a great show. It was one of my first concerts my sisters took me to. They opend for Sly and the Family Stone. If it wasn't for Rare Earth, it would have been a total waste because Sly was horrible. He was completely ripped out of his skull. He would start singing one song while the band was playing a completely different tune.
Posted by Dameon on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 07:18am
I think anyone who opened for Sly had to be ready for just about anything!! One time in Denver he didn't show up!!
Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 08:42am
You Talk Too Much..... Shut Up !!!
Posted by Joe-Skee on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 15:22pm
Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 17:15pm
Uh, Terry, that reference went right over your head. You really need to get out more:
Posted by mel on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 19:10pm
Okay, mel...since you were so kind to point that out, do you also have a crowbar I can borrow to pry my foot out of my MOUTH???? Hey, if I'm wrong or being too sensitive, I'll admit it...lol!!!!
Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 19:36pm
created the first 1/2 rap 1/2 rock song.
Posted by joe on Monday, 05.12.08 @ 17:04pm
Okay, I understand that there are a lot of Run DMC fans out there and they're such a big deal in the hip-hop world and everything. HOWEVER, it's called the "Rock N Roll Hall of Fame" for a reason. It's for ROCK N ROLL artists... Come on. I also have to add that it would be so sad to see some rappers get put into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame before a lot of rock musicians who deserve it.. example: Journey. Come on, people. Isn't there a hip hope hall of fame or something? If there isn't, then maybe there should be.
Posted by jade aurielle on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 15:22pm
"HOWEVER, it's called the "Rock N Roll Hall of Fame" for a reason. It's for ROCK N ROLL artists... "
Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 08.6.08 @ 05:13am
You should be ashamed asking questions like that.They have an influence on hip today just look at fashion,shoe deals,tours,movies ect.They should be the head of the hip hop portion of the rock n roll hall.My answer HELL YEAH.RUN-DMC 4EVA,RIP JMJ.
Posted by D Luv on Monday, 08.25.08 @ 13:29pm
"I'm the king of Rock there aint none higher sucker MC's should call me sire".I hope they get in!
Posted by Leon on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 14:31pm
An absolute slam dunk. No other artist more deserving since the Beatles and early founders like Chuck Berry and Little Richard.
Posted by Sneak on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 19:53pm
You're joking Sneak. Right?
Posted by Keebord on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 22:16pm
Stevie Ray Vaughn should have been accepted into the hall of fame not Run DMC especially because they are a hip hop artist not rock artist they should be in the hip hop hall of fame. The rock and roll hall of fame should only accept rock and metal bands. By the way metal is considered heavy rock.
Posted by Slayer on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 10:17am
"Stevie Ray Vaughn should have been accepted into the hall of fame not Run DMC especially because they are a hip hop artist not rock artist they should be in the hip hop hall of fame."
Posted by Lynn on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 10:22am
Rap/Hip Hop has influenced Rock N' Roll. Just listen to all these Rock/Rap groups. Faith No More, Rage Against The Machine, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, and Kid Rock.
Posted by Joe-Skee on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 11:03am
Nonsense. The Hall of Fame is for every genre that descended from rock n roll, like pop and hip-hop. Run-DMC is probably closer to Chuck Berry and Little Richard than 'true rock' acts like Slayer or Genesis. Do people who argue against their induction ever even heard a Run-DMC record? Never noticed how they combine rock & hip-hop in their music?
Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 11:07am
"Interesting note: when you are so passionate about the induction of Stevie Ray Vaughan, then at least try to write his name correctly."
Posted by Cal on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 11:56am
Run DMC did influence Faith No More, Limp Bizkit etc. But, how long did they and will they last? Hall of famers should stand the test of time. KISS for example are still not in the Hall of Fame and they've been around for 39 years. Call them old, but they can still blow your heads off!! Time is up, they NEED to be in there.
Posted by MIke S. on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 12:24pm
"Hall of famers should stand the test of time. KISS for example are still not in the Hall of Fame and they've been around for 39 years. Call them old, but they can still blow your heads off!! Time is up, they NEED to be in there."
Posted by Denise on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 12:31pm
"Very UNINTERESTING note,they person made a typo,jeez"
Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 13:57pm
"Not just he, Cal. Do you know how many times I saw that same typo in other posts by a so-called SRV-fans?"
Posted by Cal on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 14:36pm
"Not just he, Cal. Do you know how many times I saw that same typo in other posts by a so-called SRV-fans?"
Posted by Cal on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 15:08pm
How do we mesure the test of time? Tragically, one of the members of Run DMC is no longer with us, but almost 40 years of touring AROUND THE WORLD should measure enough. I doubt enough people saw DMC in Eurpoe, South America, Australia and so forth for as long. Let's not forget that music has chord progressions, melody, and actual music notes in it. Not just the same 8 or so eloctronic drum beats used over and over. It's not too dufficult to write words to tempo or ryhm words. Honestly, I did'nt know if DMC continued without their lost member, but I KNOW it hasn't been for 39 years.
Posted by MIke S. on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 15:36pm
We can also Jimi Hendrix only recorded three studio albums in his lifetime and look at the influence he had.
Posted by Denver on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 15:46pm
Absolutley Denver!!! Hendrix influenced KISS. His life was lost way too soon. If he were alive today, he'd still be rockin'. Thanks for pointing out that even he isn't inducted into the RRHOF. Shame on me for overlooking that. What a travesty for Hendrix not being in there. Also ALL R&B artists should be there. Everyone know that R&B is the backbone of Rock n' Roll
Posted by Mike S. on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 16:08pm
"Absolutley Denver!!! Hendrix influenced KISS. His life was lost way too soon. If he were alive today, he'd still be rockin'."
Posted by Denver on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 16:17pm
Is that sarcasm or do you really think Jimi isn't inducted? The point is: Hendrix needed only three albums to make a huge impact on the history of music. The Beatles were around for six years or so. The Sex Pistols released only one record. KISS might be around for almost fourty years, if they will be inducted it would be for their prime years, '75-'80, when the band was at the peak of their popularity and they released their most memorable songs.
Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 16:30pm
Is that sarcasm or do you really think Jimi isn't inducted?
Posted by Denver on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 16:36pm
Any artist under a different genra either than rock, hard rock, heavy rock, alternative rock, progressive rock, southern rock, or rap combined with rock should not be in the rock and roll hall of fame. They should have a music hall of fame if they include hip-hop, rap, country, jazz, and blues in or just change the name from rock and roll to music hall of fame.
Posted by Slayer on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 17:27pm
Slayer I completely agree with you
Posted by Keebord on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 17:45pm
I don't. Not at all. If they wanted a hall of fame for hard rock, heavy rock, alternative rock etc. etc. they would have called it the Rock Hall of Fame. And guess what? They didn't. They called it the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. Big difference. Just because all those other genres you listed have a word in common with the genre "that started it all", doesn't mean they are more special than the other genres. Btw I do think artists from genres that predate rock n roll, like country, blues and jazz, should only be inducted if they are in one way or another influenced by rock n roll or any of its subgenres.
Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 18:14pm
OOPS!!, I was checking for only Jimi Hendrix, not The Jimi Hendrix Experience. It sounded like Denver was indicating that he wasn't inducted. I was so shocked that he might not be that I overlooked The Experience in 1992.
Posted by Mike S. on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 21:46pm
Down With The King
Posted by Joe-Skee on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 13:13pm
Posted by Leon on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 20:02pm
Why not let Rick Rubin induct them? At some point he's going to get in as a non-performer, i have to believe. If Run D.M.C. & Metallica both make it this year, then you'll know Rubin will make the cut, most likely w/in a yr. or two. I'm assuming the brain-center at RS is attuned to all of them (I hope).
Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 09.27.08 @ 07:44am
I really don't have anything against Run DMC or Grandmaster Flash, but getting to the roots of "rap" would require going back a lot further in time to more deserving artists. Louis Jordan would incorporate "rapping" into his songs ("Caldonia", for example). Rolling Stone listed him in their "100 greatest performers of all time" list, but he isn't in the HOF (at least I didn't see him listed). A lot of people consider him a big-time influence on rock.
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 09.28.08 @ 09:55am
From Cab Calloway's Minnie The Moocher to Muhammad Ali's heavyweight poetry to The Last Poets and even Rudy Ray Moore's "Dolemite". It seems Rap has been around for a lot longer than most people realize.
Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 10.2.08 @ 11:36am
Just my opinion, anyway....
Posted by Gary James CA on Thursday, 10.2.08 @ 17:24pm
Hey Joe-Ski true What about that crocidile from woody wood pecker?Those cartoons were made in the 50's early 60'.
Posted by Leon on Thursday, 10.2.08 @ 17:52pm
Wally Gator... and don't forget Buzz Buzzard !!!
Posted by Joe-Skee on Saturday, 10.4.08 @ 11:56am
And Uncle Paycoss from tom and Jerry
Posted by Leon on Sunday, 10.5.08 @ 20:07pm
I caught an Uncle Pecos comment over here. We all know Uncle Pecos is the coolest dude around. You'd think he would hve brought some more guitar strings to Jerry's if he's such a big star, though.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 10.7.08 @ 05:23am
Eugene the Geep
Posted by Joe-Skee on Wednesday, 10.8.08 @ 12:20pm
I love those old cartoons.I guess we will find out soon enough if they got in. They reissued their first 3 albums 2005.I think they.could have done a Better job.Hopefully when the economy gets better they'll do it again.This time with accapella mixes and more instrumentals.And out takes each album a.2 CD set.
Posted by Leon on Wednesday, 10.8.08 @ 19:58pm
To: Bill(ALL CAPS)G.
Posted by Benny on Friday, 10.10.08 @ 17:44pm
Run DMC is th reason Aerosmith got so popular again Cause' Aero was about to break up and Run DMC did "Walk This Way"
Posted by Davi on Monday, 10.20.08 @ 16:33pm
Yes, RUN DMC deserve kudos and they get a check mark for helping establish Aerosmith to a newer market and audience. But this collaboration was the idea of their producer, not themselves. However, Aerosmith had only regrouped about a year or so earlier and I have read no account that they were breaking up again.
Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 10.21.08 @ 04:20am
Yes, Benny . I'm refering to Billy Griffin. But , ALL of The Miracles were talented songwriters,and have written songs for many different artists , so that's why I take issue with the RRHOF's decision to induct Smokey Robinson alone.
Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 11.1.08 @ 13:13pm
Their contribution to rock & roll is (sorta) covering a song by Aerosmith. How can they even be considered?
Posted by Randy on Sunday, 11.2.08 @ 17:23pm
"Louis Jordan would incorporate "rapping" into his songs ("Caldonia", for example). Rolling Stone listed him in their "100 greatest performers of all time" list, but he isn't in the HOF (at least I didn't see him listed). A lot of people consider him a big-time influence on rock." - Gitarzan, about a month ago.
Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 11.2.08 @ 17:36pm
RUN D.M.C. does have more of an argument for entry into the Rock Hall than most hip-hop acts. Don't forget the early records included "King Of Rock", "Rock Box", "Can You Rock It Like This", all songs that had a gentleman named Eddie Martinez on guitar. These came before the Aerosmith cover, it should be noted.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 11.2.08 @ 18:29pm
I guess the jokes on you.They will be getting in if not this year then next year.Face it there are going to be artist nominated and some will get in and they'll have nothing to do with"Rock".Things and times are changing some if which I don't like,but I deal with it. The next 8 years some of my favorite artist will be eligible for induction and they don't do "Rock".In a perfect world Hip-Hop artist would have their own Hall Of Fame.Until then The Rock And Roll Hall will do just fine.We are here and will be forever and ever.Deal With It.
Posted by Leon on Tuesday, 12.23.08 @ 15:06pm
Your right Leon, Run DMC probably will get in. But as you seem to know your argument for them stinks. Hip-hop is not a genre of rock. Such groups like Limp Bizket and Linkin Park and RATM are really rock groups who use rap-style vocals. But straitup rappers, that got no rock backing, aint rock artists. Run DMCs claim to fame is fusing rock with rap. But (my opinion) their version of Walk This Way is rock only because it "features" Aerosmith. Unfortunately every discussion on this topic tends to get overrun by race baiters and haters.
Posted by Bubble on Tuesday, 12.23.08 @ 17:12pm
Posted by Leon on Tuesday, 12.23.08 @ 18:08pm
They're gunna go in. But that doesn't mean they deserve too. Godawful rap. Shit.
Posted by Master Moustache on Friday, 12.26.08 @ 14:28pm
I would much rather see THE IMPERIALS get inducted than RUN-DMC or any other rap group. Most rap groups' styles are derivitive,and not original, and they "borrow" (READ "STEAL") from classic R&B groups like THE IMPERIALS,while at the same time , failing to give them credit, or, in many cases ,even royalties. It doesn't make sense to me that a group whose main claim to fame is covering an AEROSMITH song should even be mentioned in the same breath,or share the same stage as THE IMPERIALS, a group that has been around 50 years, still boasts 3 out of 4 ORIGINAL MEMBERS, and has had NUMEROUS hit singles. Their song,"GOING OUT OF MY HEAD" alone has sold over 4,000,000 copies, and has inspired over 100 cover versions by other artists !! And that's not even COUNTING their other hits .Now THAT'S a truly "HALL OF FAME" worthy group. If RUN-DMC gets inducted, and THE IMPERIALS don't,That will, in my opinion, truly DESTROY any remaining credibility the RRHOF claims to have. Any organization that totally IGNORES a truly legendary group like THE MIRACLES,a group with over 50 hit singles, and numerous music industry awards,(including 4 songs in THE GRAMMY HALL OF FAME), while inducting a one-hit wonder like PERCY SLEDGE,to me ,really has NO CREDIBILITY AT ALL.
Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 10:16am
If I want to make myself angry then that's looking at both the Madonna and Run DMC pages and seeing "Years waited for induction, 0"
Posted by Keebord on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 12:14pm
Congradulations!!! They got in on the first ballot. A very influential group. It is also a well deserved honor.
Posted by Joe-Skee on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 12:17pm
Nice Real nice.LOL
Posted by Leon on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 15:24pm
Run-dmc thats great
Posted by james on Thursday, 01.15.09 @ 19:10pm
Run-DMC are rap!!!!! NOT ROCK!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Mike on Thursday, 02.12.09 @ 18:17pm
Mike - Because Run DMC helped revitalize Aerosmith's career. Let's say they jump started it with their collaboration of Walk This Way. Unfortunately the Aerosmith that emerged was nowhere near as good as the 70's version. However, this collaboration morphed into Limp Bizkit, etc., etc. Whether you like Rap/Rock or not, it is part of the culture of what now is RnR. Aerosmith is very proud of this collaboration, therefore I think they have agreed to give the induction speech.
Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 02.12.09 @ 19:13pm
It is pure ignorance to say that rap is not rock & roll...They both come from the same roots, from gospel music in the balck churches of the south.
Posted by braz on Friday, 02.20.09 @ 17:08pm
Posted by Philip on Friday, 02.20.09 @ 17:13pm
I think the real reason people are so against Run DMC in the hall is racism.
Posted by Mike on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 14:50pm
I don't think so Mike. I think it has to do with the fact that so many Rock fans of the older generations don't like Rap music. It is a matter of taste and personal like. Just about every early influence from the Blues is a Black American as is everyone from the hey day of Motown and they are worshipped by all.
Posted by Dameon on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 14:59pm
@Mike I agree with you 100%.I wish there was a seperate Hip Hop Hall of fame.The VH1 Hip Hop Honors are ok(3 out of 5)but I hope to see a seperate Hall one day.Until then the next 5 years are gonna be real interesting alot of ground breaking kick ass hip hop groups that "rock" will be eligible.Public Enemy,NWA Ice Cube(Double Inductee member on NWA and solo artist),Eric B and Rakim,The Beastie Boys,LL Cool J I can go on and on.I don't think all of the will get in but it will do until we get and official Hip Hop Hall Of Fame.
Posted by Leon on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 15:29pm
Please, racism. That's not the reason at all. Rock music was invented by African-Americans. Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Little Richard, Chubby Checker are all African America. And what about all the black rockers that followed like Jimi Hendrix, Living Colour, Bad Brains, Fishbone, Hootie and the Blowfish(Darius Rucker) and many more. It's just that rap is not a rock subgenre and that's it.
Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 15:53pm
@Dude Man I think if there were more white hip hop artist everyone would find a way to link hip hop to rock. That's just my opinion.
Posted by Leon on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 16:39pm
I could not disagree more. In my opinion, I see nothing rock about Eminem, Asher Roth, Vanilla Ice, etc.
Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 17:48pm
This is why there should be seperate HOF for hip hop.Some of the most contreversal Rap groups will be eligible with in the next few years.Despite how people feel about Hip Hop not being "Rock" we got 2 acts in with more to follow!
Posted by Leon on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 18:55pm
I could not agree about more about the separate halls, but that would only solve a small bit of the problem. There have also been jazz, bubblegum, disco, funk, and a lot of other outside genres that have had thier artists inducted into the hall. What happens to those artists? Will they be removed form this hall and put in the other halls or will they stay in this hall? And if the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" felt it was right to induct those acts, does that mean that the rock acts should be put into those halls? There should be separate halls for separate genres of music and it could be messy setting up new halls. Still it should be done, but the people who run this hall would most likely tip-toe around the problem by making no new halls and keep on inducting the outside acts.
Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 19:47pm
Leon - let's put the shoe on the other foot for a moment. When Living Color hit the bricks with their own brand of Hard Rock, did we see an influx of Black Americans jump into the scene. I don't know about you, but I didn't see it. Living Color kicked serious ass. Everyone has different tastes and they rarely change. If you go to a John Lee Hooker show, 90% of the audience will be white.
Posted by Dameon on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 22:46pm
Leon, you make great posts and at least get intelligent discussion going, but playing the race card doesn't apply here, imo. I think the others have put it well. As I said, I didn't have a problem with Run-DMC, or Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five getting in. Their contributions were germane to the evolution of Rock music (rock and roll, whichever term you prefer, I'm not getting into that crap right now).
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 00:41am
Wow - I forgot the final point on my last comment. Yeah, I agree with everyone - separate halls would probably satisfy everyone, but then I don't think there should be a Hall at all. It is stupid.
Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 04:37am
Damn It !!! How many times do I have to keep sayin' it. Rap/Hip Hop has influenced Rock music. Just look at all of those Rap and Nu-Metal bands that have popped up on the scene in the last 20 something years. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Limp Bizkit, Rage Against The Machine,and Linkin Park. And countless others.
Posted by Joe-Skee on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 09:02am
If Run DMC get into a "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" then Billy Squier(one of the most sampled artists in rap history) should be inducted into a "Hip Hop Hall of Fame", but that would make no sense.
Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 10:18am
Speaking of separate Halls: If the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was for rock music alone, they would have called it the Rock Hall of Fame. But they didn't, they wanted to celebrate the entire spectre of popular music that came after rock 'n roll. That includes rock, but also soul, pop, hip-hop, reggae, punk, doowop, etc. And why not? All these genres are usually grouped together by scholars, seperated from other genres like blues, jazz, country, classical music... Music magazines usually put the emphasis on rock, pop, soul, and hip-hop, unspecialized radio stations generally play a mix of these styles, music encyclopedias and other books about contemporary popular music are most of the time dedicated to these genres, etc. You would find these genres more often grouped together than set apart.
Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 17:43pm
Unfortunately, Claw, you're argument is somewhat refuted by the fact that the URL is not rockandrollhall.com, but rockhall.com.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 17:58pm
Bah... I mean YOUR argument. I'm such a grammarian, and then I go and do that. lol.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 17:59pm
To The_Claw. First off the hall did not just induct artists that came after the first age of rock. Miles Davis was inducted and came way before the first age of rock. Second you call the people "scholars", please thier a group of critics who souly care about the music they enjoy and not of the opinions of the fans(did you look at the rap question poll. About 55% of us felt it's not rock n' roll). Third thier are two different definitions of "rock n' roll: 1. 1950s music(which in my opinion, is not true because there were many other kinds of music at the time) 2. Rock music in general(that's the one most of us use). Fourth in any case, if you use either definition, what are most of the hip-hop, pop, country, jazz, etc. doing in there. Most of them were not in the 1950s or play rock music. So in my opinion, your argument does not hold up.
Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 18:29pm
I made a mistake in grammar myself. I ment there on my fourth sentence.
Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 18:32pm
If I am already mentioning something you all already know, please forgive me here.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 05.10.09 @ 05:58am
When its all said and done I just wanna see a Seperate hall for Hip-Hop.If other genres want a seperate hall then cool.The RRHOF is not going to acknowledge every worthy Hip-Hop artist.They have'nt Acknowledged"ROCK"artist like Kiss and Hall&Oates.Anyone thats contributed to Hip-Hop Influences Hip-Hop should get in.
Posted by Leon on Sunday, 05.10.09 @ 15:36pm
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Posted by medical billing on Monday, 01.17.11 @ 19:47pm
NOT ROCK AND ROLL JUST A BUNCH OF CRAP-RAP. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS GROUP OF IDIOTS ARE DESERVED OF BEING IN THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME! THERE ARE TRUE ARTISTS OUT THERE WHO HAVE WAITED YEARS. THESE BOZOS GOT INDUCTED THERE FIRST YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY.HAVE A RAP-HIPHOP HALL OF FAME YOU IDIOTS.
Posted by JIMI on Saturday, 03.5.11 @ 00:07am
NOT ROCK AND ROLL JUST A BUNCH OF CRAP-RAP. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS GROUP OF IDIOTS ARE DESERVED OF BEING IN THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME! THERE ARE TRUE ARTISTS OUT THERE WHO HAVE WAITED YEARS. THESE BOZOS GOT INDUCTED THERE FIRST YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY.HAVE A RAP-HIPHOP HALL OF FAME YOU IDIOTS.D.M.C-WALK THE OTHER WAY.
Posted by JIMI on Saturday, 03.5.11 @ 00:18am
I love hip hop but rap artists in the rock and roll hall of fame seems very silly and annoying
Posted by Blue on Wednesday, 04.20.11 @ 21:56pm
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