Run DMC

Rock & Roll Hall of Famer

Category: Performer

Inducted in: 2009

Inducted by: Eminem

Nominated in: 2009

First Eligible: 2009 Ceremony

Inducted Members: Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Jason "Jam-Master Jay" Mizell and Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons


Inducted into Rock Hall Revisited in 2009 (ranked #51) .


Essential Albums (?)WikipediaAmazon MP3Amazon CD
Run-D.M.C. (1984)
King Of Rock (1985)
Raising Hell (1986)

Essential Songs (?)WikipediaAmazon MP3YouTube
Rock Box (1984)
King of Rock (1985)
Walk This Way (1986)
It's Tricky (1986)
Christmas in Hollis (1987)

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the kings of rap

Posted by M on Sunday, 07.16.06 @ 01:18am


DMC is not rock and roll

Posted by D on Thursday, 07.20.06 @ 14:14pm


They belong on the Mt. Rushmore of rap, with Grandmaster Flash, the Beastie Boys, and Dr. Dre.

Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 10.20.06 @ 06:40am


HIP HOP AND RAD IS NOT ROCK
AND SHOULD NOT BE IN THE ROCK AND ROOL HALL

Posted by SHAWN on Friday, 10.20.06 @ 11:18am


I agree that they aren't RnR, however they were one of, if not the first rap group to embrace the merging of Rap and Rock which is common today. They were ahead of their time.
For this alone they deserve to be inducted if not for saving Aerosmiths then failing careers!!

Posted by Robert on Friday, 10.20.06 @ 11:29am


What did they do besides Walk This Way?

Posted by Retro on Tuesday, 10.31.06 @ 17:06pm


So what if hip-hop isnt rock, people like it and any great hip hop artists should be inducted.

Posted by ed on Saturday, 12.2.06 @ 02:34am


I agree that they aren't RnR, however they were one of, if not the first rap group to embrace the merging of Rap and Rock which is common today. They were ahead of their time.
For this alone they deserve to be inducted if not for saving Aerosmiths then failing careers!!

Posted by Robert on Friday, 10.20.06 @ 11:29am


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
thats the funniest thing ever. aerosmiths career has never been failing nor will it ever be your crowned an idiot

Posted by curt on Sunday, 12.10.06 @ 09:49am


Aerosmith was failing.They lost Joe Perry,Done with Mirror was a flop and Rocks wasnt much better at least compared to Get your wings.They were also playin half full amphitheatres and arenas by 85 cuz they sucked they were so wasted.I used to have the bootlegs to prove it.Plus its common knowledge.The Run_DMC verision also sold WAY more copies as a single. I know a lot of you purists are Anti-Rap,but I say Hip-Hop is rock n roll.It has the same verba;l cadence style as old Rock n roll and R&B DJ's from the 40's and 50's and you can also see the influnce the Jamaican "Toasters" of the rock steady era had on old New York MC's( alot of Jamaicans in NYC) Hip Hop is a much a part of the larger rock'n'roll canon as much as punk,harcore,reggae,ska,funk,metal and old school thrash.Just cuz you dont like it doesnt change that. I also think alot of you "rock" purists are a bunch old farts and feather/mullet heads who think Reo Speedwagon ####in rocks and hate rap cuz its too black.Not the gangster stuff I can see why people object to that. People should educate themselves about something before they call people idiots.It makes you sound...ya know....stupid. Besides if you are such a goddman purist,throw out your Hendrix records and stick to Louis Jordan and The Ink Spots(Duuuuhhh WHO??)

Posted by Nate on Thursday, 01.18.07 @ 15:12pm


If they Induct Rap Artists(which they are doing because in 2007 they will be inducting Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five) they should induct RUN DMC because they helped popularize it.

Posted by Master on Saturday, 01.20.07 @ 19:40pm


Now you guys know that there is no way in hell that the Beastie Boys will goe in the Hall before RUN-DMC!!! A lot of you all don't know that the Beasties where originally a PUNK ROCK band. Not a Rap/Hip-Hop group. Yeah that's right!!! Iggy Pop and THE STOOGES will get in the Rock Hall way before the Beastie Boys ever will.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 02.1.07 @ 14:42pm


I know they were a punk band originally, but they are more recognized for their career in rap, which spans 3 decades.I agree their are other hip hop artists (Run-DMC,Kurtis Blow, etc.) that deserve to get in before the beasties, but they do have an influence on rock & Roll. Hip hop and rap do have a place in the hall of fame, as much as it may pain "rock purists".

Posted by drp on Thursday, 02.1.07 @ 20:21pm


forgot to add this to my lastcomment, but Run DMC does deserve a spot in the hall of fame. They definitely had rock influence, as does rap and hip hop. If you don't believe me, listen to their songs Rock Block, King of rock, and (of course) Walk this Way.

Posted by drp on Thursday, 02.1.07 @ 20:25pm


All of this talk about Run-DMC, LL Cool J, The Beastie Boys, and Slayer getting considered for the Hall!!! Don't you guys know that all of these artist have a similar link . Hmmm !!! I wonder who it is ???? Ohhh!!! RICK RUBIN that's who!!! He helped produce a lot of these groups early albums. Just read the credits on the back of the album covers.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Friday, 02.2.07 @ 09:56am


Nate,
If you want to defend rap, have a ball. But why drag REO Speedwagon into it. You probably couldn't name two of their songs if you had a gun to your head. You get mad because the "purists" don't understand rap, then you make a dipshit comment about a band you undoubtedly don't know dick about. And yeah, rap sucks ass.

Posted by Brad on Tuesday, 02.6.07 @ 21:23pm


Way to completely ignore Nate's points, Brad.

Also, Roll With the Changes, Take it on the Run, Can't FIght This Feeling, Riding the Storm Out. Now that I've doubled your song requirement (with no gun to my head, even!), I can feel safe in saying REO SPeedwagon is terrible, worse than the worst rap has to offer.

Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 02.6.07 @ 23:33pm


If Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five were inducted there is no reason to keep Run DMC out. The problem is that "The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" is a bad name for this institution. In recent years it has gotten away from just pure rock, it is more of a Music Hall of Fame now. Look at the Bee Gees, Earth Wind & Fire, P-Funk... they are not rock and roll either, but no one seems to mind that they are enshrined.
I'm all for allowing acts such as Run DMC, Public Enemy, LL Cool J in the Hall. Like Kit said they have contributed more to RnR than alot of so called rock and roll bands have like REO SW.

Posted by MikeV on Friday, 03.16.07 @ 08:31am


i really hope that they don't make it, but sadly, they will

Posted by jim on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 18:26pm


Of course they should get in, just because they arent plain Rock, Elvis wasnt Rock, he was a Blues artist, as was Led Zeppelin for the most part.
Run DMC deserve to be in there, however, like it or not, Tupac will probobly get in there aswell, and then it'll start realy going down hill, Eminem will get in (I realy dont think he deserves to get in, but you know he will), and before you know it the Black Eyed Peys will be in there

If you dont think Run DMC should be in, then get Bob Marley and Miles Davis out

Posted by Shadow Of Oblivion on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 22:20pm


Rap isn't rock and roll, and doing one song with aerosmith isn't enough to get you a spot.

Build a rap hall of fame if you want them inducted so bad.

Posted by Eric on Thursday, 04.26.07 @ 00:07am


Rock and ROLL - the words are a hang for myopics.
Perhaps to squelch the bellowings of the "PLAY Foghat!!" crowd the Hall should have called itself the Popular Music HOF.

Detroit Rock City denizens and Free Birders: please listen up!: the landscape of "rock & roll" is wider and more layered than your 8 track playing minds are grasping. For the umpteenth time - it includes black people - blues, r&b, even some jazz and yes, rap. These genres are/were ingredients in the Rock casserole. Led Zeppelin is not Led Zep without Led Belly or Robert Johnson. Rap is an apendage of Rock and Roll, and is a fact of life now.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 14:38pm


Rock and roll "purists" who are adamant that hard core rock should only define rock and roll and only these acts should be in the Rock Hall should consider the origins of Rock and Roll itself, as well as where hard core rockers like Led Zeppelin, Eric Clapton, Keith Richards, Aerosmith, and The Who who were attempting to emulate R&B and blues guitarists - which they all freely admit to - with feedback on overdriven amplifiers popularized by Jimi Hendrix, another blues guitarist; and singers like Otis Redding and Ruth Brown. It's their personal interpretation of a sound, like when Ray Charles released his country and western album.

Using the voice as an instrument to be interpreted in spoken rhythmic patterns doesn't exclude music from being Rock and Roll. Run DMC were pioneers of this.

"It's tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time it's tricky."

Run DMC belongs in the Rock Hall.


Posted by Moni3 on Wednesday, 05.9.07 @ 08:44am


Another renegade of funk..ahem...rap pioneer. Collaborated with Aerosmith, contributed to rap rock...get in the hall!

Posted by maplejet on Tuesday, 05.22.07 @ 14:10pm


I like Run D.M.C, they're the kings of rap, but they're not Rock and Roll whats with the Rock and Roll Hall.

Posted by rockrockrockandroll on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 18:30pm


RUN-DMC's influence on a music "genre" that wasn't supposed to last more than 3 or 4 years is "PRICELESS". They say inductees should have some palpable form of "innovation", well go look at the record charts these days and tell me they weren't innovators. Being a white kid growing up in Bed-Stuy/East Flatbush, I can say from experience, RUN, JAY AND DARREL influenced everything from the clothes on our back to the shoes on our feet. I'd like the "powers that be" to tell me just how many artists in the Hall of Fame already can make the same claim. HMMM, I can't recall flossin down on Fulton wearing my fresh new pair of REM kicks. I would've been beat til I was unrecognizable.

However, to look at the list of who has made it in, then look at those shunned is absolutely disgraceful. How in the heck does U2 (no disrespect they were great too), get inducted the same year as THE O'JAYS???? The Jay's were putting songs on the charts 20 yrs before U2 even thought about getting together. The O'JAYS should have been inducted the same year as the ISLEYS. Those two Meccas of Music swarmed the charts in the mid-60s, bum-rushed the R&B charts throughout the entire 70s, then dropped in some jams in the 80s and 90s. Look at the charted recordings of the O'JAYS and compare them to artists who made it into the HOF a decade before them can really work up some frustration. Artists/Groups like TRAFFIC, FRANK ZAPPA, BONNIE RAITT just as an example. Don't even get me started on Elivs Costello who went in with his group the name escapes me (Hey I get lucky every now and again). However, the Powers That Wanna-Be decided that Smokey Robinson should go in solo, the heck with THE MIRALCLES. If the ROCK HALL WAS A CAR, MY INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD TOTAL IT OUT AS A LOSS/REPAIR IS NOT A POSSIBILITY.

I have a suggestion, since the RNR Hall got off to a rather late start, in comparison to other HOF Shrines, How About Inducting TEN ARTISTS EACH YEAR. To only induct five is ludicrous. I almost forgot, why is it there is only one REGGAE ARTIST INDUCTED (albeit THE GREAT BOB MARLEY RIP)?? What about DENNIS BROWN, FREDDIE MACGREGOR, YELLOWMAN??? Between the three they've probably released at least 3 times more albums and 10 times more records then 70-80 percent of the Artiists already Inducted. To overlook Reggae is a mistake.

Food for Thought/Those Not in Yet- KISS, RUFUS AND CHAKA KHAN, HOWARD MELVIN AND THE BLUE NOTES, BILLY IDOL, RUSH. ARE THESE "POWERS" KIDDING OR WHAT?? GIVE ME A BREAK "KISS" ISN'T IN THE HALL OF FAME, EVEN BACK ON MY BLOCK EVERYONE KNEW WHO KISS WAS, DIDN'T MATTER IF YOU WERE BLACK, WHITE, ASIAN, LATIN. THE MAKE-UP?? CAN YOU SAY INNOVATORS??? ANOTHER TRAVESTY.

BTW CONGRATS TO GMF AND THE FURIOUS 5, "YO DAVE CLARK 5, BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME. IF YOU WANT TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOURSELVES CALL THE O'JAYS, I'M SURE THEY'D KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH. ALTHOUGH, MAYBE NOT, HOW MANY SONGS DID YOU GUYS CHART?? NO, NO, SORRY MY MISTAKE. I MEANT IN COUNTRIES OTHER THEN BRITAIN??? PEACE!!!!

Posted by Jason (aka CHAMROC) on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 13:47pm


"Don't even get me started on Elivs Costello.."

Dude, Kit is going to kick your ass.

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 14:14pm


LOL, OOOH I'm shakin in my shell adidas. Kit is that some sort of "term of endearment" you have for EC? What does he call you?? No wait let me guess, ZIT?? (EXPLANATION NOT NECESSARY LMAO)

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 14:48pm


Don't even get me started on Elvis Costello who went in with his group the name escapes me (Hey I get lucky every now and again).

THE ATTRACTIONS and they are exactly where they deserve to be. In the RRHOF.

Posted by PJ on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 15:18pm


Costello referred to James Brown as a "jive-ass n***er," then upped the ante by pronouncing Ray Charles a "blind, ignorant n***er." (quote from WIKIPEDIA)

Your allegiance to an artist who makes comments like that is a reflection on you. If ignorance were bliss you'd be the happiest jakk-azz on the face of the planet.

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 15:40pm


"No wait let me guess, ZIT?? (EXPLANATION NOT NECESSARY LMAO)"

Really? You rhymed a word. Do shiny object also make you Laugh Your Ass Off?

What fault do you find with Elis Costello?

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 15:41pm


I find fault with anyone who is a proven RACIST!!!
However, seeing as you asked what fault I found, it's not shocking to come to the obvious conclusion you subscribe to the same ignorance.

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 15:52pm


"Costello referred to James Brown as a.."

I see. Well, I certainly respect your decision to dislike Costello on those grounds, and I don't care to get mired down in a discussion about bigotry. But I will ask you if you are aware that he has expressed his deep regret and pain over saying those things, that he was very drunk at the moment and was deliberately trying to upset the person he was arguing with by saying the most offensive thing he could think of, and also that apparantly Ray Charles later stated that he forgave Elvis Costello for that and chimed in that he thought "drunken talk was not for print"?

But again, your reasons here for disliking Costello are not musical, and I won't challenge that.

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:06pm


"However, seeing as you asked what fault I found, it's not shocking to come to the obvious conclusion you subscribe to the same ignorance."

I typed and submitted before I had a chance to see that you had responded already. Calm down.

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:08pm


When he made those comments, Costello was both drunk and being needled by a bar patron. Basically he said what he said to shock the person into silence. It's also worth noting that Elvis' very next album, Get Happy!, is stamped all over with Motown, R&B, and Soul influence. You can't write him off as a racist for one outburst, one that Ray and James themselves forgave him for.

Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:17pm


When somebody posts a comment about Kicking My Ass, calming down isn't even an option. As far as Elvis Costello is concerned, my earlier comment (had you read and comprehended) was the fact that The Attractions were inducted with him. The same Attractions who at Live Aid he opted to ditch and go on stage solo, some loyalty.

The correlation I made was to Smokey Robinson's Induction and the snubbing of The Miracles. At least the Miracles charted after the departure of Robinson, the same can not be said for the Un-Attractions.

RIF-Reading Is Fundamental, but comprehension of that which was read can bring enlightenment. BTW, don't tell me about anyone you believe is going to Kick My Ass, if that's the most intelligent thing you have to say, in the immortal words of Bruce Lee, "DON'T WASTE YOURSELF."

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:20pm


It was ajoke, referring to my Elvis Costello fandom and passion. Please don't take anything more seriously than it is meant to be.

Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:23pm


It's almost commical to see the two of you jumping on this "I said it to shock the guy who I was talking to" bs. Anytime a "famous" figure is caught in such a manner as Elvis Costello was, they all come up with some non-sense, a pathetic excuse. But, this garhage is by far one of the most pathetic exhibitions of back tracking I've seen. The fact that he went completely overboard on his next album only reinforces his own feelings of guilt and the need to unblemish his rep in the eyes of his fans.

This is an instinct every child learns from the time they are able to talk. Lie their azzes off.

If you are of the mind to continue defending racisim, go for it, I don't promote ignorance.

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:26pm


This is my first time posting here and I have to admit I got pissed when I started looking at the artists who have been snubbed, my apologies if I mistook what you say was a JOKE.

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:30pm


Okay, so let's just take every thing people say while drunk and irritated at complete face value.

Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:31pm


"When somebody posts a comment about Kicking My Ass, calming down isn't even an option."

I was being figurative. Facetious.
Kit is a local poster who has a known affection for Mr. Costello, and I was joshing in anticipation of his reaction to an open dis to Elvis.
I know you are a toughy from Bed-Stuy and all, but you do realize that noone can actually reach through your screen and harm you, right?
I repeat: you can calm down. If you get enraged that quickly, your gonna blow a gasket around here within a day or two; take my advice.

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:32pm


I guess my attempt at civility is all for naught. Let me ask you this, were you there when he said those racial comments?? So, you're taking him at his word that he was drunk to begin with. The same man who dithches his own band at a huge concert and uses the N word to describe to music ICONS, I didn't even mention the blind comment (or elaborate) which is unusual for me since my mother was blind.

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:35pm


It's become blatantly obvious the problem here is we are all posting to comments whilt the others are being more civil, I for one am cool I understand your points and hope you understand my dislike for the "public" display. I can't say that I've even listened to Costello other than "Everyday I Write the Book".

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:38pm


"If you are of the mind to continue defending racisim, go for it, I don't promote ignorance."

Dude, I said I respected your decision to dislike Costello. I said I respect it enough that I'm not interested in getting into a debate on it. Please don't be an ass and accuse me or Kit of defending racism. I don't advocate ignorance either, man.
Once again - mellow out. Ask some questions maybe instead of assuming you can define anyone's ethics here because we like Elvis Costello. You don't have that much insight.

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:38pm


I'll hold off on that "ass" comment since I believe again that we are fighting a battle of typing and posting.

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:41pm


"I guess my attempt at civility is all for naught."

Whoa - let's back it up a bit. this is comical; you and I keep overlapping one another's comments; look at the posting time. We are both typing away just after the other one has responded - we our out of synch here by a minute or two and missing the benefit of the other one's just posted response.

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:41pm


I generally write in a style drenched in sarcasm. I don't intend to be uncivil, it just is my natural prose.

The drunk part of the story was never contradicted by the other two principal figures in the incident (Bonnie Bramlett and Steven Stills). Both Brown and Charles accepted Costello's apologies. It simply isn't an issue.

I also doubt a racist would be able to work with Allen Toussaint for any extended period of time.

Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:44pm


I could not have typed it better myself lol.

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:44pm


I'd like to turn this toward a more positive light. With all the controversy that has been going on with the RNR HOF, wouldn't it be better if they just increased the number of inductions each year?? At least until they get all those they've snubbed where they belong?

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:47pm


"I can't say that I've even listened to Costello other than "Everyday I Write the Book"."

I'd reccomend the aforementioned Get Happy!! as a starting point. A wonderful fast-paced album whose standout track is an excellent Sam and Dave cover ("I Can't Stand Up For Falling Down").

Let's all not post for ten minutes, just to make sure we don't step over each other again.

Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 16:48pm


Thank Goodness for Bearshare, I think. Now, I have a question for the life of me I can't recall where I've heard that song "PUMP IT UP". I know I heard it in a movie but it wasn't Costello singing, same beat, I like that song. Did he cover it or was he covered??

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 17:16pm


"wouldn't it be better if they just increased the number of inductions each year??"

Yea Jason, I tend to agree with you there. I posted on this very subject - it's deeply imbedded the Bon Jovi page (enter that at risk to your sanity though).
I'd propose the 10 a year not so much to avoid cotroversy (becasue doing so would catalyze its own storm) but because I see so many deserving acts being passed over forvevr without more spots.

I see uou share a similar concern for the Forgotten.

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 18:22pm


I've been reading a few articles, as well as the ROR page on wikipedia and this Hall comes across as the one that a majority of fans and artists are disgusted with. Leaving Induction up to 3 or 4 basic self-appoints is ridiculous. The fans should be voting these musicians in.

Snubbing an artist because one of the voters has issues with that artist's record label, it's like reading "Horror Stories of My First Day at the New Elementary School". Apparently, one of these voters has it in for "KISS". When you look at the way they've been snubbed, I'm incline to believe that there may be truth to this childish behavior. VH1 is circling the wagons, they have Hip-Hop Honors, and Rock Honors, I heard a rumor next year they'll start "Wind Instrument Honors" I think Yanni is a shoe-in.

Posted by Jason on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 18:58pm


"The fans should be voting these musicians in."-Jason

Unfortunately, then you'd get a situation where bands that actually made a contribution but aren't very well-known get snubbed while all-around average acts with large followings but little real credentials get in by the truckload.

There's no winning.

Posted by William on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 23:06pm


I can see your point, I should have elaborated that fan voting would occur only after the Artists meet certain criteria, for example had to have at least 5 album releases with at least 1 album reaching the Top 5 on Billboard or something that thins out the huge back log of artists waiting.

Posted by Jason on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 19:36pm


I only wish Larry Bud Melman were still alive to be RUN-DMCs Induction Presenter so they can do a little spin on their King of Rock video, LOL.

"Hey you guys don't belong in here" BUM RUSH!!!!

RIP JAY AND LARRY

Posted by Jason on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 19:52pm


The MIRACLES are one of the greatest singing groups of ALL TIME !!! Not only that , but also one of the most INFLUENTIAL !! AND THAT'S ALL THE MEMBERS, NOT JUST SMOKEY !!!THE MIRACLES STARTED THE ENTIRE MOTOWN PHENOMONON!!! Unlike the Temptations , Supremes , & Four Tops, THE MIRACLES wrote almost all of their OWN material ,ALL OF THEM ...NOT JUST SMOKEY !! Don't believe it ?? Just read the writing credits on their records!!! They don't just list "Robinson" as the credited writer, but " ROBINSON, ROGERS, MOORE, WHITE , AND TARPLIN !!! ALL OF THEM !!! THIS INFORMATION IS READILY AVAILABLE ! WHY THE RRHOF INDUCTION COMMITTEE DIDN'T GET IT IS BEYOND ME !! OR MAYBE THEY JUST DIDNT TRY ! If you need further proof, just Go on AMAZON or your local music store, and pick up the DVD: SMOKEY ROBINSON AND THE MIRACLES: THE DEFINITIVE DVD COLLECTION ( part of the new Motown "definitive DVD series ". 3 of the original MIRACLES are interviewed : Pete Moore, Smokey Robinson, and Bobby Rogers.It is revealed on this DVD something long time MIRACLES fans always knew.... that ALL OF THE MIRACLES wrote their many hits .... not just SMOKEY !!! not only that , but 9 of the Temptations first 12 hits were written by the MIRACLES TOO !!! AND , THAT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBURG!!! they've also written for MARVIN GAYE ("AINT THAT PECULIAR","I'LL BE DOGGONE","ONE MORE HEARTACHE") MARY WELLS ( "MY GUY", "TWO LOVERS" "THE ONE WHO REALLY LOVES YOU " "WHAT TWO CAN EASILY DO"),THE CONTOURS ( "FIRST I LOOK AT THE PURSE".... (later covered by the J GEILS BAND), "THAT DAY WHEN SHE NEEDED ME") THE MARVELETTES ("DON'T MESS WITH BILL","MY BABY MUST BE A MAGICIAN, " THE HUNTER GETS CAPTURED BY THE GAME" ... AND ALSO HITS BTY KIM WESTON, BRENDA HOLLOWAY, THE FOUR TOPS, AND MORE !!! HOW MANY MIRACLES SONGS (OR ANYONE ELSES) DID THE TEMPTATIONS OR THE SUPREMES WRITE ?? THINK ABOUT IT. But THEY'RE IN THE HALL OF FAME AND THE MIRACLES ARE NOT ?! AND FOR THOSE WHO SAY SMOKEY WAS THE GROUP'S ONLY TALENTED WRITER, I SAY,"WHAT ABOUT "LOVE MACHINE " WRITTEN BY MIRACLES PETE MOORE & BILLY GRIFFIN.... A MULTI- MILLION SELLING #1 POP SMASH....That came from the self-written platinum album "CITY OF ANGELS"..."WHERE WAS SMOKEY WHEN THAT ONE WAS WRITTEN ? IN FACT JANN WENNER'S OWN ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE LISTS THE MIRACLES # 32 on their list of "THE IMMORTALS: THE 50 GREATEST ARTISTS OF ALL TIME" .... MAKING THEM THE TOP -RANKING MOTOWN GROUP IN THE LISTING .... ALL OF THEM .... NOT JUST SMOKEY !!!(DO YOU SEE A PATTERN HERE ?) HOW CAN WENNER'S OWN MAGAZINE RANK THE MIRACLES SO HIGH ON THIS LIST , AHEAD OF SUCH ARTISTS AS MADONNA, ERIC CLAPTON , & THE DOORS, AMONG OTHERS.... AND YET EXCLUDE THEM FROM RRHOF INDUCTION ? I SUGGEST TO A N Y O N E WHO FEELS THAT THE MIRACLES DON'T DESERVE INDUCTION.... LOOK UP " THE MIRACLES ON WIKIPEDIA. SEE HOW MANY ARTISTS HAVE COVERED THEIR SONGS. SEE HOW MANY HITS THEY'VE WRITTEN FOR OTHERS. SEE HOW IMPORTANT THEY WERE IN THE FORMATION OF MOTOWN. You can't GET more influential than THE MIRACLES... in ANY musical genre!!! then look up the RONETTES ,or PERCY SLEDGE by comparision....see if they even come CLOSE.... IN HIT RECORDS OR INFLUENCE !!! IF YOU'RE NOT CONVINCED BY THEN THAT THE MIRACLES- SMOKEY ROBINSON, BOBBY ROGERS, PETE MOORE, RONNIE WHITE, MARV TARPLIN, & CLAUDETTE ROGERS- ROBINSON- DONT DESERVE INDUCTION INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME....THEN NO ONE SHOULD !!!

Posted by BILL G on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 02:36am


oh.... and one more thing ... until more DESERVING R&B artists...such as the SPINNERS, LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS, THE MARVELETTES,THE MANHATTANS, JR WALKER & THE ALL- STARS, MARY WELLS,THE FAMOUS FLAMES (JAMES BROWN'S VOCAL GROUP),THE INTRUDERS, THE DRAMATICS,THE CHI-LITES,THE STYLISTICS,OR THE DELFONICS get inducted....that REALLY influenced music....THEN LEAVE THE RAP ARTISTS AT HOME !!!

Posted by BILL G on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 02:47am


Well I don't know all the groups you listed but you must admitt than Run DMC is more important in rap music than "the dramatics" or "the stylistics" in R&b. If the hall consider rap then they will enter for sure. Seriously they won't steal their place. r&B has his place and rap too;why one would prevent the other from recognition?

Posted by roméo on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 03:06am


JUST BECAUSE YOU PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW THESE GROUPS,OR BECAUSE THE WORLD OF WHITE ROCK MUSIC DOESN'T CONSIDER THEM IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF "POP" SUCCESS, DOESNT MEAN THEY DON'T MERIT INDUCTION.THE DELLS, WHO WERE INDUCTED 3 YEARS AGO,HAD RELATIVELY LIMITED POP SUCCESS ,BUT THEY DEFINITELY MERITED INDUCTION,BASED ON THE SHEER NUMBER OF HITS THEY HAD AND THEIR 50 PLUS YEARS OF LONGEVITY. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THESE ARTISTS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 35 YEARS, (AND SOME OVER 50...LIKE THE MIRACLES AND LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS), AND HAD NUMEROUS HITS ON THE R&B & POP CHARTS.THE DRAMATICS HAVEBEEN AROUND SINCE THE LATE 60'S...AND HAVE HAD MORE THAN 40 HITS ON THE R&B CHARTS , INCLUDING THE TOP 10 POP MILLION SELLERS "(I WANNA GO OUTSIDE ) IN THE RAIN AND "WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET". THEY LITERALLY AND SINGLE HANDEDLY KEPT " THE DETROIT SOUND" ALIVE LONG AFTER BERRY GORDY'S MOTOWN RECORDS PICKED UP STAKES AND HEADED WEST BACK IN THE LATE 60'S .... AND WERE STAX RECORDS' ONLY SERIOUSLY COMPETITIVE ACT TO THE ARTISTS OF THAT DETROIT- BASED LABEL.... THE STYLISTICS BECAME THE LEADING EXPONENTS OF THE " PHILIDELPHIA SOUND" IN THE 70'S.... THEIR THOM BELL PRODUCED HITS INCLUDED SEVERAL MILLION SELLERS...SUCH AS "YOU MAKE ME FEEL BRAND NEW" "YOU ARE EVERYTHING","BREAK UP TO MAKE UP",AND "I'M STONE IN LOVE WITH YOU" THEY ARE ALSO AMONG THE BIGGEST R&B GROUPS IN TERMS OF INTERNATIONAL CHART SUCCESS.RUN DMC ONLY GOT AS BIG AS THEY DID BECAUSE THEY COVERED AN AEROSMITH HIT THAT WAS ALREADY POPULAR.... AND THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN WRITE .... THE MIRACLES (ALL OF THEM, NOT JUST SMOKEY),HAVE WRITTEN LITERALLY DOZENS OF HITS FOR SCORES OF DIFFERENT ARTISTS ... THEIR SONGS HAVE BECOME LEGENDARY...THEIR HITS HAVE BECOME CLASSICS .... PERCY SLEDGE ONLY HAD ONE BIG HIT ...THE RONETTES ONLY 4... PATTY SMITH HASN'T EVEN HAD ONE SINGLE SONG EVEN HIT THE TOP 20... BUT THE MIRACLES HAVE HAD OVER 50 CHART HITS... LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS HAVE HAD 50 YEARS OF UNION.... WITH MANY CLASSIC HITS THAT HAVE BECOME MILLION SELLING STANDARDS... SUCH AS " GOING OUT OF MY HEAD " (A FOUR MILLION SELLER )"HURT SO BAD",I'M ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN", "TAKE ME BACK" "TEARS ON MY PILLOW" "TWO PEOPLE IN THE WORLD",SHIMMY SHIMMY KOKO BOP (FEATURED IN THE TOM HANKS MOVIE "BIG"), "I MISS YOU SO",AND MORE. IT'S HIGH TIME THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME STOPPED HONORING UNDESERVING ACTS SIMPLY ON THE BASIS OF HUGE POP SUCCESS AND MTV AIRPLAY... AND STARTED HONORING THE ARTISTS WHO WERE THE R E A L INNOVATORS AND ARCHITECTS OF TODAYS MUSIC . IT'S ALSO TIME THAT THE PUBLIC SITS DOWN AND READ THE HISTORY OF ROCK AND ROLL...AND EDUCATE ITSELF ON THE IMPORTANCE OF R&B IN ROCK'S DEVELOPMENT...BECAUSE WITHOUT R&B THERE WOULD BE NO ROCK AND ROLL TODAY!!! STOP HONORING ARTISTS AND GROUPS JUST ON THE BASIS THAT THEY ADMIT THEY WERE "INFLUENCED BY R&B" AND HONOR THE R&B ARTISTS THAT MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE !!!

Posted by bill g on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 11:00am


Caps lock.

Turn it off.

Posted by William on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 11:04am


Calm. I like R&B and i am not against inducting all those legends. But this is not reserved to R&b, it's normal to induct other genres. r&B is not the most snubbed act(prog i.E).And there is no way Run DMC would suffer because of the lack of recognition of R&B.There is a place for everybody.

Posted by roméo on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 12:13pm


Oh and one more thing , Romeo...don't feel bad because you don't know more about these artists ...R&B music , and the artists who make it ,have always been maligned and under - represented in the media... MTV in it's early years actually banned them... and wouldn't even play videos by R&b artists....until Michael Jackson's phenomenal success forced them to pay attention...throughout the history of Rock and Roll,and even before that, Black artists have had to fight and struggle for every shread of recognition given them by the media...so most of the mainstream public doesn't know much about R&B ....except for the rock artists who copy their records and performance styles.... Dick Clark's "American Bandstand" showcased many of them in the 50's and 60's .... but it wasn't until the success of MOTOWN RECORDS in the 60's (for which the MIRACLES were largely responsible) and advent of the Don Cornielius program SOUL TRAIN in the early 70's, that R&B artists had an outlet that could get them seen & heard nationwide....but today , mainstream radio and television has done a flip flop....and gone to banning ,for the large part ,classic r&b and the artists who make it .... replacing it with Rap & Hip Hop. Many of these classic artists are still making new records today... but they're not getting airplay,because the company that owns and operates most radio stations in America today has issued orders to it's owned stations not to play them !!! If not for PBS, these artists wouldn't even be seen on T.V today. A suggestion....go on the internet to "Wikipedia".... and look up the histories of the artists I've mentioned....learn about them...and then come back and tell me that artists that have had minimum hits with maximum exposure , that have never had problems getting on T.V.,deserve more credit and honors than R&B artists that have been around for decades!!!!

Posted by BILL G on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 12:47pm


A big BRAVO to Bill G for schooling people on the history of R&B.

I'm an R&B fanatic. I'd even go as far as to call myself a historian of the genre, despite my young age. I think that R&B is certainly one of the most underrated -- if not the most underrated -- genre in music. Yes, artists like Beyonce & Usher have had crossover success, but that's mainly attributed to their pop appeal.

Artists like the Dells, the Stylistics and others totally deserve to be in the Hall. They completely deserve recognition, along with other R&B stars of that time, because most of the major white artists ripped off the R&B records of that time from artists like them. America's beloved Elvis Presley is included. Many white artists took from black R&B artists style & records, copied those and called them their own.

Blacks were the inventors and innovators of rock music. But, as it looks, white people began rock because they dominate it now. But, what many don't know is that blacks created it, and R&B artists were certainly part of influencing the genre.

Ignoring R&B in the Hall is a major mistake.

Posted by Michael H. on Saturday, 06.9.07 @ 13:03pm


The incredible success of SOUL TRAIN (now in it's 36th year on television) proved that there is a market for classic R&b music.But over the last year, something very interesting has happened.For the 2006-2007 season, SOUL TRAIN has stopped running first- run episodes.Don Cornielius has decided instead to air classic SOUL TRAIN episodes from the the show's illustrious past. The reasons for this are clear.You can find out why by going to the now famous "JUMP THE SHARK" website. For the uninitiated, the "term "JUMP THE SHARK" refers to the point at which a television series has "passed it's peak" and has proceded to go downhill.On this website (JUMP THE SHARK.COM), hundreds of once-popular television series are listed. According to viewers, the point at which SOUL TRAIN "Jumped The Shark" were: when Don Cornielius retired as host after 22 years , deciding instead to focus on his off- camera role as executive producer, and the other was when SOUL TRAIN stopped focusing on soul music , and started focusing on RAP & HIP-HOP artists. There is a backlash going on today against these forms of music , and the artists who make it for one reason : That over the past 20 years or so, there has been a planned ,carefully orchestrated effort to get rid of classic R&B ,and the artists who make it,off the television and radio airwaves , and replace it with RAP & HIP-HOP AS THE PREDOMINATE FORMS OF BLACK MUSIC TODAY !!! PBS has mentioned it several times ON THEIR TELECASTS. ABC'S Nightline even did a story on it. One writer ,Romeo, in his comment, said "there is a place for everybody".... but in fact THERE ISNT !!! The powers that be in this country that control what you hear on the radio and what you see on television want this music (R&B) and the artists who make it to JUST GO AWAY!! Awards shows (like the RRHOF) DON'T WANT TO HONOR THESE ARTISTS. OTHER PROGRAMS WON'T PROMOTE THEIR NEW RECORDINGS !!! These actions have forced many "classic soul " artists to give up on the United States and migrate to Europe and elsewhere where their music and new recordings are still played and appreciated. Examples : CHAKA KHAN,TINA TURNER, JIMMY RUFFIN,EDWIN STARR (before his untimely death) ,several members of THE PLATTERS & THE DRIFTERS.....and the list is growing !!! There are people in this country who want to hear new music from the artists they grew up with .... not constantly being barraged with rap & hip-hop. There is no equal playing field here. the media is focusing on only one form of black music today, and if you don't like it,then you're just out of luck... the nationwide protest is growing,and is gaining momentium. several radio stations are changing their formats to focus on classic r&b artists , and their old and new recordings. PBS is leading the charge on television. (thank goodness SOMEONE HAS)...and now SOUL TRAIN has entered the fight . CLASSIC SOUL SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PASS INTO HISTORY !! The ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME SHOULD HONOR THESE ARTISTS !! After several initial years of equality ,inducting equal numbers of Black and White artists into the Hall , things have changed in recent years to the point that only one or two black artists are inducted yearly,and the rest are all White Rock artists....That is not fair , and it is high time for a change.In the field of music, demand is CREATED by supply.... not the other way around. if Television doesn't show it , and Radio doesn't play it , and the awards shows don't honor it, how will the public know that it's there ? Over the last 15 years or so, I've seen new recordings in record stores by : the Miracles, the Temptations, The Spinners, The Dramatics, The Chi-lites, Smokey Robinson,Solomon Burke,and many more classic soul artists.Many of these artists are making their best recordings now it's time these artists got airplay. It's time for a change.

Posted by Bill G on Sunday, 06.10.07 @ 11:17am


Bill G, the RRHOF has plenty of problems with it. But one thing the RRHOF has done a great job with is inducting important Early Influences and soul / R&B artists, which means plenty of black artists. Which R&B and Soul artists would you like to see inducted that have not been inducted so far? Remember, this is not an R&B hall of fame, so any artists of this genre inducted must have crossed over enough and influenced rock and roll in a direct way. In my view, the RRHOF has already inducted most or all of those artists (Aretha, Marvin, Otis, Tempts, Smokey, Solomon, etc.) Hell, they have even inducted some questionable ones, like Percy "I'm in because of one song" Sledge. The RRHOF has done a good job of acknowledging artists of other genres who have influenced rock and roll enough to warrant their induction in a Hall of Fame focusing on rock music. Again, who is really missing?

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 06.10.07 @ 14:14pm


OK, Bill G, just read some of your previous posts more thoroughly, and I see that you do list some candidates that you would like to see inducted. But my point still stands, the RRHOF has gotten most of the really important ones, and as this is a Rock and Roll focused Hall of Fame, it is not necessary that an exhaustive list of musicians from other genres, even considering how important R&B is to rock and roll's roots, be inducted. I think the R&B influencers have been represented pretty well. I think there are more egregious omissions as far as blues innovators who influenced rock (where the hell is Sonny Boy Williamson, for instance?) or country artists who influenced rock (it is cool that Cash is there, but what about Willie Nelson? Waylon Jennings? Kris Kristofferson?)

Hell, there are areas of rock and roll itself that are more underrepresented than R&B. Prog rock, anyone?

So R&B is neither alone in being underrepresented by the Hall nor is it the most "done wrong" genre.

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 06.10.07 @ 14:27pm


Bill - dude....
Do you like house the haunted soul of a departed anti-fur activist? I'm all for giving r&b artists their due and it's some of my favorite music, and you make a nice (albeit obvious) point that rap & hip-hop have supplanted it today.

But you really see a conspiracy? - a "planned ,carefully orchestrated effort to get rid of classic R&B.."? I had no idea Aretha and The Isleys were such a mark for the Musical Star Chamber. Are there homicidal albinos involved and hidden messages in velvet tiger paintings? Is this The Don Cornelius Code?

You rave on about some mass Black exodus to Europe as if The Drifters and The Platters are ragged Palestinian refugees. You are being absurd. Dude, look - listing artists that you did - "CHAKA KHAN,TINA TURNER, JIMMY RUFFIN.." they're not on the radio because their popularity peaked 20 years ago or more - that's all.

Be sane - there's no secret and deliberate mission to keep Smokey Robinson "DOWN" and off of VH1; his time in the sun is just in the past... and that's all. Why aren't yuo also up in arms about the conspicuous absence of Ted Nugent, The Doobie Brothers and Grand Funk Railroad on American bandstand?

Now there's a conspiracy!!!!!!!! OOO - don't get me started. I have pamphlets.

Posted by shawn mc on Sunday, 06.10.07 @ 14:34pm


OK guys ,here's the deal.Point one: I'm not the only one that said there's a conspiracy- PBS did.... on several of their specials....also if you check at the Soul Patrol website,(not the one for Taylor Hicks, the REAL one),you'll read about this in greater detail . the culprit is the corporation that , as I said before , that owns and or operates most of the radio stations in America (I wont give their name, but their initials are "CCC".Point two: their are many different types of rock radio stations in America,formats such as Top 40 rock , album- oriented rock, soft rock, hard rock/ heavy metal. Most major cities have them all . But in most markets or major cities, there is usually only one Black music station . If that one station is only playing Rap or hip- hop,and nothing else, where does that leave room for classic r&b/soul ? what about lovers of that type of music that may not want to hear rap or hip hop ? Point three: the whole point of saying " this is not a R&B hall of fame" is ludicrous.... for many reasons ,first of which that rock and roll came from r&b in the first place.and anyone who says otherwise hasn't read, or simply doesnt know- the history of Rock and Roll. Second , because many artists that are in the Hall are not rock artists either . If you want to keep r&b artists out, then you have to exclude Johnny Cash (country) Miles Davis (Jazz},Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five (Rap)and Bob Marley (reggae) ....get the picture ? But , THEY'RE all in the Hall !! The fact that these artists have been inducted indicates the RRHOF IS WILLING TO BEND THE RULES AS IT SEES FIT.Also the sheer number of R&b acts that were inducted in the Hall's early days indicates that the Hall recognizes R&B as a legitimate form of the music.... so let's forget about all the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is only for Rock artists" comments.The problem is, as I said before, that in RECENT YEARS (let's talk about NOW, not in the past) very few r&b artists have been inducted... and only at the rate of one or two a year.Point four: the question of THE MIRACLES being deserving of induction. I say , most certainly YES !!! and for several reasons, many of which I've already commented on elsewhere in this website. number 1 : First of a Genre : MOTOWN is considered a genre unto itself, because it was the first super- successful Black music that crossed all racial and ethnic barriers with it's popularity.THE MIRACLES were the first Motown group, and were the BASIS AND BEDROCK upon which Berry Gordy built his legendary label.They also had the label's first million- selling record "Shop Around" .... and after that , they continued to be one of the label's biggest groups. Second, "Influence"-if you go to Wikipedia, and read "THE MIRACLES" ,in particular, the "COVER VERSIONS" section, you'll see that THE MIRACLES are the MOST COVERED MOTOWN GROUP OF ALL TIME . Everyone from THE BEATLES TO THE STONES TO MICHAEL JACKSON AND JOHNNY RIVERS and MANY MORE HAVE COVERED THEIR SONGS.They were one of JOHN LENNON'S favorite groups, and deeply influenced his writing and music.Third,during Motown's golden era ,1960-1970, they were virtually the ONLY Motown group that wrote and created the own material . They were not messengers of someone else's compositions , as THE SUPREMES, and THE TEMPTATIONS were...in fact , 9 of the TEMPTATIONS first hits were written by the MIRACLES.... AND THAT'S A FACT YOU CAN CHECK!! If the sheer number of their songs other artists have covered is any indication... THE MIRACLES should have been the FIRST Motown group inducted!! Forth: number of hits: THE MIRACLES have had over 50 CHART HITS!! One of the biggest misconceptions about this group is that Smokey did everything , and the other members did nothing. That is a LIE. ALL of the Miracles shared in writing their many hits.... AND THEY ALSO WROTE SONGS FOR MOST OF THE OTHER ARTISTS ON THE LABEL AS WELL!!! Another fact you can check . the names of ROBINSON, ROGERS, MOORE , WHITE , & TARPLIN are on the writing credits of DOZENS OF HITS BY SCORES OF DIFFERENT ARTISTS ....MOTOWN AND NON- MOTOWN ARTISTS ALIKE!! Whenever you hear THE J GEILS BAND sing "First I look At The Purse ,you're hearing the music of the Miracles...(the Contours originally recorded it,but the Miracles wrote it....or the BEATLES sing "You've Really Got A Hold On Me " .... or the STONES sing "Going To A Go Go" or Jagger & Tosh do "Don't Look Back"...or EN Vogue or The Jackson Five sing "Who's Loving You...their music is far -reaching and widely influential.An unwritten rule in the record industry is.... if you want a guaranteed hit, record an old MIRACLES song. I'm not saying that SMOKEY doesn't deserve individual recognition... he does ... but Curtis Mayfield,Michael Jackson, and each individual Beatle were given separate inductions too...BUT the groups they were associated with were also inducted !!! I have always had a much greater respect for artists who write and produce their own material, as opposed to artists who "just sing". the RRHOF is full of singers who never wrote a single lyric of music !!! How can the SUPREMES , TEMPTATIONS,VANDELLAS, AND FOUR TOPS all be inducted, (who never wrote songs) while the RRHOF ignores the one MOTOWN GROUP THAT STARTED IT ALL ?

Posted by bill G on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 01:08am


Bill.... dude.. you already made your lengthy case for The Miracles your last post -- why clog up space drifting off point AND being redundant?

Do you really not grasp that classic r&b is not filling our contempoarary airwaves for one reason: it's now "classic"... as in not moving new sales. It's neither a conspiracy against black artists nor older artists; you're just seeing the organic results of time.

That makes no sense whatsoever anyway - as if old r&b/soul is "in the way" of hip-hop - as if The Man has any motive whatsoever to make James Brown or The Miracles or Isaac Hayes radio pariah? Absurd.

Every major American city has an "oldies" station, like they do here in Phoenix that plays plenty of Supremes, Marvin Gaye, Spinners, etc, not to mention my cable company and AOL both have 24 hour classic r&b stations. You can easily find plenty of old school r&b/soul music.

Do you actually expect MTV to play archived clips of Ike and Tina?

Posted by shawn mc on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 01:28am


Bill G, I am not arguing with you as far as inducting the Miracles. You present good arguments for them, and they probably should have been inducted. Like I said, every genre has omissions.

It is your other points that I disagree with to some extent.

Yes, "CCC" is an evil empire and has done much to destroy radio. But Shawn mc is right, it is economics, not any sort of conspiracy or racially-inspired boycott.

"CCC" is a corporation. The only color they care about is green. If they saw that they would be profitable doing so, they would exclusively play old R&B on every station on the dial. True that it is a little more complicated than that, the fact that they control so much of the market that they in turn actually influence what is popular. But if there was this groundswell of demand for R&B, you can bet they'd jump on it to profit from it.

I think you are the one who might not know all of his rock and roll history. Rock was the bastard child of many mothers, not just R&B. No question R&B is one of the primary roots of rock, but so is straight blues music, country music, old school pop music...all of it blends together and rock was born from all of it. Or, rock music took elements from each of these older genres, and then became its own thing.

I don't want to keep R&B people out of the RRHOF, and nor does the Hall!! You list an example from other genres in the Hall. OK, Bob Marley is there. Any other reggae artists? No. Johnny Cash is there. Any other country artists inducted in the Performer category there? No. Miles Davis. Any other jazz artist inducted as a Performer there? No. Want to list the R&B artists inducted as Performers in the Hall? There are a lot of them, compared to the other genres other than rock and roll. Get the picture? R&B is probably the best represented genre in the RRHOF...other than rock and roll.

And the Hall considering R&B a "legitimate form of music" has nothing to do with it. I am sure the Hall also considers Mozart and Beethoven legitimate music. So what? The Hall's purpose is not to regognize legitimate forms of music.

I mean, if the Hall is only going to induct 5 major inductees a year, which it appears they have settled on for the foreseeable future, and they are "only" inducting one or two R&B artists a year...what the hell do you want? Only R&B artists inducted and no rock artists? In the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? What the hell are you talking about?

Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 09:34am


I quite agree with you Dezmond but I have to say that there is no R&B act in the inductees of the two last years.i think it's impossible to induct all the important members of each genre because there would be too much inductees.
Maybe if it was one inductee each year for every important genre.

Posted by roméo on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 10:34am


Dezmond, I never said the RRHOF shouldn't induct Rock artists. Not at all. But , Romeo is right. No R&B artists in the last two years. And in the last 3 ? Percy Sledge ?! Why not at least Lou Rawls ? At least HE had a long string of hits ! They could have honored HIM by inducting him while he was still alive, instead of honoring someone who's had only one big hit .With over 70 albums, and over 40,000,000 records sold , Lou would have been a much better choice. Or even Barry White.... with over 100 million records sold !!! Both of these incredible artists died without recognition by the Hall....and both were important figures in R&B.

Posted by Bill G on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 21:50pm


I agree with you on those two, Rawls and White. Percy Sledge, with all due respect, was one of the worst inductees in Rockhall history, when you consider who is still waiting to get in. I was just saying that as far as influencing genres on rock music go, the Rockhall has already given more space for R&B artists than any other genre that influences rock.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 06:51am


I agree with Dezmond the name of RRHOF probably doesn't fit the museum.

Posted by Stephanie on Sunday, 08.12.07 @ 16:22pm


The only rap artist that should be in there

Posted by MaulYoda on Thursday, 09.13.07 @ 19:47pm


Run DMC were the first hip hoppers to go platinum, appear on the cover of Rolling Stone, and have a top 10 single. Had they not covered Walk This Way with Aerosmith, whose career was in the toilet, we would never have seen the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rage Against the Machine, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, etc. Plus, they were influenced by ockers like Bob Dylan, The Beatles, and Jimi Hendrix before hip hop even existed. Run DMC's a cinch, too bad Jam Master Jay won't be there to celebrate with them!!!

Posted by keith on Tuesday, 10.30.07 @ 17:54pm


If there is any justice they will be inducted. I grew up listening to hardcore punk and have never been a huge rap fan, but the more I look back at the early stuff, the more I like it. It was punk music for a different neighborhood. It was rebellious, angry at times, funny at other times, completely original and it threatened the status quo. IF that's not rock n' roll, then what is???

Posted by Dave on Tuesday, 12.4.07 @ 20:32pm


I played lead guitar in a rock band and funk band in the 70's and 80's and learned a great appreciation because it all ROCKED!! Theres a lot of artists out there who are way more deserving of being in, a point that can't be argued. Run DMC in before Chicago or the Commodores...you can't be serious!! Those bands were originals. Rappers usually sample someone elses music, so they didn't have to do the really HARD part. That stuff I hear today seems to more electronic concoctions than music. Chic, even though maybe not deserving to be in the Hall, represented an era...and that driving rhythm was HARD to play! They ROCKED!! Besides that Nile Rodgers is now one of the most respected producers around (you know, the guy who played those rhythms!!!)

I am greatly disappointed in the path popular music has taken. I greatly respect Ice T for saying "If you think there was no money in rapping that I'd be doing it?" That about sums up music of today for me. Lets take a look at people who made way more significant contributions and who were ORIGINALS!!

Posted by Terry on Sunday, 01.27.08 @ 09:18am


Just as a side note, thank you Bill G for bringing up Lou Rawls and Barry White...think he didn't influence people in his heyday?? We can also put Teddy Pendergrass in that category. All the wonderful artists over the years who get no recognition! Go back and listen to all of it and then and ONLY then can you make an informed decision on who belongs in this Hall and why!

Posted by Terry on Sunday, 01.27.08 @ 09:53am


You're Welcome Terry. And also , I STILL would also include : THE MIRACLES , LITTLE ANTHONY & THE IMPERIALS , JR WALKER & THE ALL- STARS ,THE FAMOUS FLAMES (RIP BOBBY BYRD & JAMES BROWN ), THE MARVELETTES, MARY WELLS, GENE CHANDLER, THE DRAMATICS, AND THE MANHATTANS TO THAT LIST. All LONG PAST OVERDUE for INDUCTION.

Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 02.20.08 @ 10:19am


NO R&B ARTISTS now in THREE YEARS and counting. Makes you kinda wonder, doesn't it ?

Posted by Bill G on Friday, 02.22.08 @ 19:49pm


get off the point about the r&b artists, we get the point. you rambled on and on about for ever.

I am waiting to see alot more other artist get in that deserve it just as much or more so than those.

where is artists like kiss, war, heart, chicago, cheap trick and rare earth, among others.

Posted by Brian on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 22:32pm


Rare Earth?? They were basically just a Motown cover band...that's all I ever heard them do. Their only real noteriety was being the first Motown rock band...but every label had a first rock band...

Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 06:28am


But they put on a great show. It was one of my first concerts my sisters took me to. They opend for Sly and the Family Stone. If it wasn't for Rare Earth, it would have been a total waste because Sly was horrible. He was completely ripped out of his skull. He would start singing one song while the band was playing a completely different tune.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 07:18am


I think anyone who opened for Sly had to be ready for just about anything!! One time in Denver he didn't show up!!

Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 08:42am


You Talk Too Much..... Shut Up !!!

Posted by Joe-Skee on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 15:22pm


[retracted]

Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 17:15pm


Uh, Terry, that reference went right over your head. You really need to get out more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-oczo5sTKQ

Posted by mel on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 19:10pm


Okay, mel...since you were so kind to point that out, do you also have a crowbar I can borrow to pry my foot out of my MOUTH???? Hey, if I'm wrong or being too sensitive, I'll admit it...lol!!!!

On the contrary, in my life I think I've gotten out too much!! My apologies!!

Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 19:36pm


created the first 1/2 rap 1/2 rock song.

Posted by joe on Monday, 05.12.08 @ 17:04pm


Okay, I understand that there are a lot of Run DMC fans out there and they're such a big deal in the hip-hop world and everything. HOWEVER, it's called the "Rock N Roll Hall of Fame" for a reason. It's for ROCK N ROLL artists... Come on. I also have to add that it would be so sad to see some rappers get put into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame before a lot of rock musicians who deserve it.. example: Journey. Come on, people. Isn't there a hip hope hall of fame or something? If there isn't, then maybe there should be.

Posted by jade aurielle on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 15:22pm


"HOWEVER, it's called the "Rock N Roll Hall of Fame" for a reason. It's for ROCK N ROLL artists... "

Nope. It's called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because they couldn't think of a better name to cover the entire range of popular contemporary music. It was never meant just for rock musicians. I know the name is confusing, but they are quite clear about it.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 08.6.08 @ 05:13am


You should be ashamed asking questions like that.They have an influence on hip today just look at fashion,shoe deals,tours,movies ect.They should be the head of the hip hop portion of the rock n roll hall.My answer HELL YEAH.RUN-DMC 4EVA,RIP JMJ.

Posted by D Luv on Monday, 08.25.08 @ 13:29pm


"I'm the king of Rock there aint none higher sucker MC's should call me sire".I hope they get in!
Class of 2009
Run DMC
Chic
Metalica
Little Anthony(Should have been in a long time ago)
War

Posted by Leon on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 14:31pm


An absolute slam dunk. No other artist more deserving since the Beatles and early founders like Chuck Berry and Little Richard.

Posted by Sneak on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 19:53pm


You're joking Sneak. Right?

Posted by Keebord on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 22:16pm


Stevie Ray Vaughn should have been accepted into the hall of fame not Run DMC especially because they are a hip hop artist not rock artist they should be in the hip hop hall of fame. The rock and roll hall of fame should only accept rock and metal bands. By the way metal is considered heavy rock.

Posted by Slayer on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 10:17am


"Stevie Ray Vaughn should have been accepted into the hall of fame not Run DMC especially because they are a hip hop artist not rock artist they should be in the hip hop hall of fame."
Posted by Slayer on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 10:17am

Agreed,TRRHOF really needs to get their "specifics" straightas far as genres.

In a similar entry-
Madonna has about as much to do with my interpretation of "Rock and Roll" as Mantovani

Posted by Lynn on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 10:22am


Rap/Hip Hop has influenced Rock N' Roll. Just listen to all these Rock/Rap groups. Faith No More, Rage Against The Machine, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, and Kid Rock.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 11:03am


Nonsense. The Hall of Fame is for every genre that descended from rock n roll, like pop and hip-hop. Run-DMC is probably closer to Chuck Berry and Little Richard than 'true rock' acts like Slayer or Genesis. Do people who argue against their induction ever even heard a Run-DMC record? Never noticed how they combine rock & hip-hop in their music?

Interesting note: when you are so passionate about the induction of Stevie Ray Vaughan, then at least try to write his name correctly.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 11:07am


"Interesting note: when you are so passionate about the induction of Stevie Ray Vaughan, then at least try to write his name correctly."

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 11:07am

Very UNINTERESTING note,they person made a typo,jeez

Posted by Cal on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 11:56am


Run DMC did influence Faith No More, Limp Bizkit etc. But, how long did they and will they last? Hall of famers should stand the test of time. KISS for example are still not in the Hall of Fame and they've been around for 39 years. Call them old, but they can still blow your heads off!! Time is up, they NEED to be in there.

Posted by MIke S. on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 12:24pm


"Hall of famers should stand the test of time. KISS for example are still not in the Hall of Fame and they've been around for 39 years. Call them old, but they can still blow your heads off!! Time is up, they NEED to be in there."
Posted by MIke S. on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 12:24pm

Good points Mike,should be factored in upon consideration.
And I agree with Kiss getting in already,love em/hate em they exceed the criteria more than most considered.


Posted by Denise on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 12:31pm


"Very UNINTERESTING note,they person made a typo,jeez"

Not just he, Cal. Do you know how many times I saw that same typo in other posts by a so-called SRV-fans? That can't be a coincidence. Really, how much of a fan are you if you can't even spell his name right?

About the lasting power of Run DMC and KISS: and how are we going to messure this? It's impossible to predict how long an artist will last. And it's pretty subjective to say if an artist stood the test of time. I say Run-DMC did, someone else would say they didn't. Some would say Hank Williams, Robert Johnson and Woody Guthrie sound outdated. But they are among the most influential artists of the 20th century, spawning some of the largest and most succesful genres (country, blues, folk). Shouldn't they be honoured?

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 13:57pm


"Not just he, Cal. Do you know how many times I saw that same typo in other posts by a so-called SRV-fans?"

Point taken,I was aware so many mistakes were made in his name.

Posted by Cal on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 14:36pm


"Not just he, Cal. Do you know how many times I saw that same typo in other posts by a so-called SRV-fans?"

I meant
Point taken,I wasn't aware so many mistakes were made in his name.

Posted by Cal on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 15:08pm


How do we mesure the test of time? Tragically, one of the members of Run DMC is no longer with us, but almost 40 years of touring AROUND THE WORLD should measure enough. I doubt enough people saw DMC in Eurpoe, South America, Australia and so forth for as long. Let's not forget that music has chord progressions, melody, and actual music notes in it. Not just the same 8 or so eloctronic drum beats used over and over. It's not too dufficult to write words to tempo or ryhm words. Honestly, I did'nt know if DMC continued without their lost member, but I KNOW it hasn't been for 39 years.

Posted by MIke S. on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 15:36pm


We can also Jimi Hendrix only recorded three studio albums in his lifetime and look at the influence he had.

Posted by Denver on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 15:46pm


Absolutley Denver!!! Hendrix influenced KISS. His life was lost way too soon. If he were alive today, he'd still be rockin'. Thanks for pointing out that even he isn't inducted into the RRHOF. Shame on me for overlooking that. What a travesty for Hendrix not being in there. Also ALL R&B artists should be there. Everyone know that R&B is the backbone of Rock n' Roll

Posted by Mike S. on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 16:08pm


"Absolutley Denver!!! Hendrix influenced KISS. His life was lost way too soon. If he were alive today, he'd still be rockin'."

I bet he would to Mike, who knows maybe he would of even been exploring rap to some degree.

Posted by Denver on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 16:17pm


Is that sarcasm or do you really think Jimi isn't inducted? The point is: Hendrix needed only three albums to make a huge impact on the history of music. The Beatles were around for six years or so. The Sex Pistols released only one record. KISS might be around for almost fourty years, if they will be inducted it would be for their prime years, '75-'80, when the band was at the peak of their popularity and they released their most memorable songs.

Really, longevity is not that important. It says something about the relation between the members and the loyalty of the fanclub, not much about the quality of the music and certainly nothing about the impact of the act on music history, the influence on other bands and the innovation of new styles and techniques.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 16:30pm


Is that sarcasm or do you really think Jimi isn't inducted?

Claw- I *think* they didn't realise Hendrix was inducted already.

Posted by Denver on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 16:36pm


Any artist under a different genra either than rock, hard rock, heavy rock, alternative rock, progressive rock, southern rock, or rap combined with rock should not be in the rock and roll hall of fame. They should have a music hall of fame if they include hip-hop, rap, country, jazz, and blues in or just change the name from rock and roll to music hall of fame.

Posted by Slayer on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 17:27pm


Slayer I completely agree with you

Posted by Keebord on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 17:45pm


I don't. Not at all. If they wanted a hall of fame for hard rock, heavy rock, alternative rock etc. etc. they would have called it the Rock Hall of Fame. And guess what? They didn't. They called it the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. Big difference. Just because all those other genres you listed have a word in common with the genre "that started it all", doesn't mean they are more special than the other genres. Btw I do think artists from genres that predate rock n roll, like country, blues and jazz, should only be inducted if they are in one way or another influenced by rock n roll or any of its subgenres.

I repeat what I said before, the music of Run-DMC is closer to Little Richard and Chuck Berry than most progressive rockbands. That doesn't mean I think Run-DMC is a better act than, say, Yes. I mean that just because Run-DMC is not a rockgroup shouldn't mean they are any less a descendant from rock n roll.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 18:14pm


OOPS!!, I was checking for only Jimi Hendrix, not The Jimi Hendrix Experience. It sounded like Denver was indicating that he wasn't inducted. I was so shocked that he might not be that I overlooked The Experience in 1992.
As in the American Music Awards, they used to have POP/ROCK categories. Eventually, they realized they were different types of music and gave them their own separate categories. Hopefully, they'll realize that Rap, disco, and hip hop are different too and build their own Hall of Fame.

Posted by Mike S. on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 21:46pm


Down With The King

Posted by Joe-Skee on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 13:13pm


Who's House?
Runs House!

I hope they don't let Jay-Z induct them he did a horrible job with Flash.If they get in I want the Beasty Boys or Chuck D to induct them.

Posted by Leon on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 20:02pm


Why not let Rick Rubin induct them? At some point he's going to get in as a non-performer, i have to believe. If Run D.M.C. & Metallica both make it this year, then you'll know Rubin will make the cut, most likely w/in a yr. or two. I'm assuming the brain-center at RS is attuned to all of them (I hope).

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 09.27.08 @ 07:44am


I really don't have anything against Run DMC or Grandmaster Flash, but getting to the roots of "rap" would require going back a lot further in time to more deserving artists. Louis Jordan would incorporate "rapping" into his songs ("Caldonia", for example). Rolling Stone listed him in their "100 greatest performers of all time" list, but he isn't in the HOF (at least I didn't see him listed). A lot of people consider him a big-time influence on rock.

In the early 70's, Gil Scot-Heron incorporated spoken word and poetry into music, along with singing. If "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" isn't a precursor to rap, I don't know what would be.

If anyone should be credited for bringing rap to the mainstream, I'd think it would be Sugarhill Gang...wasn't "Rapper's Delight" the first big rap hit? Run-DMC was more early 80's, wasn't it?

Just my opinion, anyway....

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 09.28.08 @ 09:55am


From Cab Calloway's Minnie The Moocher to Muhammad Ali's heavyweight poetry to The Last Poets and even Rudy Ray Moore's "Dolemite". It seems Rap has been around for a lot longer than most people realize.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Thursday, 10.2.08 @ 11:36am


Just my opinion, anyway....
Posted by Gitarzan

Well from where i'm sitting your opinion is usually spot oon mate.


It seems Rap has been around for a lot longer than most people realize.
Posted by Joe-Skee

Agreed it certainly was.

Posted by Gary James CA on Thursday, 10.2.08 @ 17:24pm


Hey Joe-Ski true What about that crocidile from woody wood pecker?Those cartoons were made in the 50's early 60'.

Posted by Leon on Thursday, 10.2.08 @ 17:52pm


Wally Gator... and don't forget Buzz Buzzard !!!

Posted by Joe-Skee on Saturday, 10.4.08 @ 11:56am


And Uncle Paycoss from tom and Jerry

Posted by Leon on Sunday, 10.5.08 @ 20:07pm


I caught an Uncle Pecos comment over here. We all know Uncle Pecos is the coolest dude around. You'd think he would hve brought some more guitar strings to Jerry's if he's such a big star, though.

Fred Quimby should get that special induction ceremony that LAX wants for Genesis. Peter Gabriel would surrender his whole career to write something as brilliant as 'Froggy Went A' Courtin'".

Since Tom & Jerry never talked, I'll let Porky Pig sum it up:

Th' Tha, Tha',THe, Tha', Tha', Tha', The, Tha', Tha', THE, THA' THAT'S ALL FOLKS!!!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 10.7.08 @ 05:23am


Eugene the Geep

Posted by Joe-Skee on Wednesday, 10.8.08 @ 12:20pm


I love those old cartoons.I guess we will find out soon enough if they got in. They reissued their first 3 albums 2005.I think they.could have done a Better job.Hopefully when the economy gets better they'll do it again.This time with accapella mixes and more instrumentals.And out takes each album a.2 CD set.

Posted by Leon on Wednesday, 10.8.08 @ 19:58pm


To: Bill(ALL CAPS)G.
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Ref: "FOR THOSE WHO SAY SMOKEY WAS THE GROUP'S ONLY TALENTED WRITER, I SAY,"WHAT ABOUT "LOVE MACHINE " WRITTEN BY MIRACLES PETE MOORE & BILLY GRIFFIN.... A MULTI- MILLION SELLING #1 POP SMASH...."
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Now I see where you are coming from. Are you indeed above ref Mr. Griffin? You are very adamant about The Miracles.

Posted by Benny on Friday, 10.10.08 @ 17:44pm


Run DMC is th reason Aerosmith got so popular again Cause' Aero was about to break up and Run DMC did "Walk This Way"

So,I have to say..........Yes

Posted by Davi on Monday, 10.20.08 @ 16:33pm


Yes, RUN DMC deserve kudos and they get a check mark for helping establish Aerosmith to a newer market and audience. But this collaboration was the idea of their producer, not themselves. However, Aerosmith had only regrouped about a year or so earlier and I have read no account that they were breaking up again.

In retrospect; perhaps they should have gone by the wayside because they are now more famous for the inferior music they recorded in the 80's and 90's than the amazing music they recorded in the 70's.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 10.21.08 @ 04:20am


Yes, Benny . I'm refering to Billy Griffin. But , ALL of The Miracles were talented songwriters,and have written songs for many different artists , so that's why I take issue with the RRHOF's decision to induct Smokey Robinson alone.
when you get a chance , go to Wikipedia, and you'll see what I mean . Look up this heading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_written_by_The_Miracles_members

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 11.1.08 @ 13:13pm


Their contribution to rock & roll is (sorta) covering a song by Aerosmith. How can they even be considered?

Posted by Randy on Sunday, 11.2.08 @ 17:23pm


"Louis Jordan would incorporate "rapping" into his songs ("Caldonia", for example). Rolling Stone listed him in their "100 greatest performers of all time" list, but he isn't in the HOF (at least I didn't see him listed). A lot of people consider him a big-time influence on rock." - Gitarzan, about a month ago.

Sorry for the late reaction, but I just wanted to say Louis Jordan is in for quite some time. Back in '87 as an "Early Influence", along with Hank Williams and T-Bone Walker.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 11.2.08 @ 17:36pm


RUN D.M.C. does have more of an argument for entry into the Rock Hall than most hip-hop acts. Don't forget the early records included "King Of Rock", "Rock Box", "Can You Rock It Like This", all songs that had a gentleman named Eddie Martinez on guitar. These came before the Aerosmith cover, it should be noted.

If anything, they should get the edge over acts like 2Pac, Biggie Smalls, and others who might be cool in the hip-hop world, but really offered nothing whatsoever to be considered w/in the rock universe.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 11.2.08 @ 18:29pm


I guess the jokes on you.They will be getting in if not this year then next year.Face it there are going to be artist nominated and some will get in and they'll have nothing to do with"Rock".Things and times are changing some if which I don't like,but I deal with it. The next 8 years some of my favorite artist will be eligible for induction and they don't do "Rock".In a perfect world Hip-Hop artist would have their own Hall Of Fame.Until then The Rock And Roll Hall will do just fine.We are here and will be forever and ever.Deal With It.

Posted by Leon on Tuesday, 12.23.08 @ 15:06pm


Your right Leon, Run DMC probably will get in. But as you seem to know your argument for them stinks. Hip-hop is not a genre of rock. Such groups like Limp Bizket and Linkin Park and RATM are really rock groups who use rap-style vocals. But straitup rappers, that got no rock backing, aint rock artists. Run DMCs claim to fame is fusing rock with rap. But (my opinion) their version of Walk This Way is rock only because it "features" Aerosmith. Unfortunately every discussion on this topic tends to get overrun by race baiters and haters.

So they either should change the definition of "rock" or else change the name of the R&RHOF? Some great rock bands will need to be displaced to accommodate hip-hop artists. They only put in 5 groups each year.

Posted by Bubble on Tuesday, 12.23.08 @ 17:12pm


@Bubble
Even though they're not a Rock band I think it would be cool to see them get in.They're pioneers and should be honored.As far as the race baiters they miss out keeping a closed mind.The Halls first class have rock and r&b.Eventually more Hip-Hop artist will be nominated and some will get in.May be they'll change the name to Music Hall Of Fame so everyone and every genre can be included.

Posted by Leon on Tuesday, 12.23.08 @ 18:08pm


They're gunna go in. But that doesn't mean they deserve too. Godawful rap. Shit.

Posted by Master Moustache on Friday, 12.26.08 @ 14:28pm


I would much rather see THE IMPERIALS get inducted than RUN-DMC or any other rap group. Most rap groups' styles are derivitive,and not original, and they "borrow" (READ "STEAL") from classic R&B groups like THE IMPERIALS,while at the same time , failing to give them credit, or, in many cases ,even royalties. It doesn't make sense to me that a group whose main claim to fame is covering an AEROSMITH song should even be mentioned in the same breath,or share the same stage as THE IMPERIALS, a group that has been around 50 years, still boasts 3 out of 4 ORIGINAL MEMBERS, and has had NUMEROUS hit singles. Their song,"GOING OUT OF MY HEAD" alone has sold over 4,000,000 copies, and has inspired over 100 cover versions by other artists !! And that's not even COUNTING their other hits .Now THAT'S a truly "HALL OF FAME" worthy group. If RUN-DMC gets inducted, and THE IMPERIALS don't,That will, in my opinion, truly DESTROY any remaining credibility the RRHOF claims to have. Any organization that totally IGNORES a truly legendary group like THE MIRACLES,a group with over 50 hit singles, and numerous music industry awards,(including 4 songs in THE GRAMMY HALL OF FAME), while inducting a one-hit wonder like PERCY SLEDGE,to me ,really has NO CREDIBILITY AT ALL.

Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 10:16am


If I want to make myself angry then that's looking at both the Madonna and Run DMC pages and seeing "Years waited for induction, 0"

Posted by Keebord on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 12:14pm


Congradulations!!! They got in on the first ballot. A very influential group. It is also a well deserved honor.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 12:17pm


Nice Real nice.LOL

Posted by Leon on Wednesday, 01.14.09 @ 15:24pm


Run-dmc thats great

Posted by james on Thursday, 01.15.09 @ 19:10pm


Run-DMC are rap!!!!! NOT ROCK!!!!!!!!!


Why did Aeeosmith induct them????

Posted by Mike on Thursday, 02.12.09 @ 18:17pm


Mike - Because Run DMC helped revitalize Aerosmith's career. Let's say they jump started it with their collaboration of Walk This Way. Unfortunately the Aerosmith that emerged was nowhere near as good as the 70's version. However, this collaboration morphed into Limp Bizkit, etc., etc. Whether you like Rap/Rock or not, it is part of the culture of what now is RnR. Aerosmith is very proud of this collaboration, therefore I think they have agreed to give the induction speech.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 02.12.09 @ 19:13pm


It is pure ignorance to say that rap is not rock & roll...They both come from the same roots, from gospel music in the balck churches of the south.

Posted by braz on Friday, 02.20.09 @ 17:08pm


braz,

Rock & Roll also has roots in country music, something that cannot be said of rap.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 02.20.09 @ 17:13pm


I think the real reason people are so against Run DMC in the hall is racism.

Posted by Mike on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 14:50pm


I don't think so Mike. I think it has to do with the fact that so many Rock fans of the older generations don't like Rap music. It is a matter of taste and personal like. Just about every early influence from the Blues is a Black American as is everyone from the hey day of Motown and they are worshipped by all.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 14:59pm


@Mike I agree with you 100%.I wish there was a seperate Hip Hop Hall of fame.The VH1 Hip Hop Honors are ok(3 out of 5)but I hope to see a seperate Hall one day.Until then the next 5 years are gonna be real interesting alot of ground breaking kick ass hip hop groups that "rock" will be eligible.Public Enemy,NWA Ice Cube(Double Inductee member on NWA and solo artist),Eric B and Rakim,The Beastie Boys,LL Cool J I can go on and on.I don't think all of the will get in but it will do until we get and official Hip Hop Hall Of Fame.
May be if there were more white Hip Hop artist people wouldn't be so closed minded!? May be...

Posted by Leon on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 15:29pm


Please, racism. That's not the reason at all. Rock music was invented by African-Americans. Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Little Richard, Chubby Checker are all African America. And what about all the black rockers that followed like Jimi Hendrix, Living Colour, Bad Brains, Fishbone, Hootie and the Blowfish(Darius Rucker) and many more. It's just that rap is not a rock subgenre and that's it.

Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 15:53pm


@Dude Man I think if there were more white hip hop artist everyone would find a way to link hip hop to rock. That's just my opinion.

Posted by Leon on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 16:39pm


I could not disagree more. In my opinion, I see nothing rock about Eminem, Asher Roth, Vanilla Ice, etc.

Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 17:48pm


This is why there should be seperate HOF for hip hop.Some of the most contreversal Rap groups will be eligible with in the next few years.Despite how people feel about Hip Hop not being "Rock" we got 2 acts in with more to follow!

Posted by Leon on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 18:55pm


I could not agree about more about the separate halls, but that would only solve a small bit of the problem. There have also been jazz, bubblegum, disco, funk, and a lot of other outside genres that have had thier artists inducted into the hall. What happens to those artists? Will they be removed form this hall and put in the other halls or will they stay in this hall? And if the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" felt it was right to induct those acts, does that mean that the rock acts should be put into those halls? There should be separate halls for separate genres of music and it could be messy setting up new halls. Still it should be done, but the people who run this hall would most likely tip-toe around the problem by making no new halls and keep on inducting the outside acts.

Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 19:47pm


Leon - let's put the shoe on the other foot for a moment. When Living Color hit the bricks with their own brand of Hard Rock, did we see an influx of Black Americans jump into the scene. I don't know about you, but I didn't see it. Living Color kicked serious ass. Everyone has different tastes and they rarely change. If you go to a John Lee Hooker show, 90% of the audience will be white.

Please, let's keep racism out of this.

Music is about personal taste and nothing else.

Don't we have enough of that old school bullshit racism effecting too many parts of this world, Let's keep it out of the music.

I have a framed photo of Howlin Wolf on my wall - it is treasured

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 05.8.09 @ 22:46pm


Leon, you make great posts and at least get intelligent discussion going, but playing the race card doesn't apply here, imo. I think the others have put it well. As I said, I didn't have a problem with Run-DMC, or Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five getting in. Their contributions were germane to the evolution of Rock music (rock and roll, whichever term you prefer, I'm not getting into that crap right now).

I'd also like to take this moment to say that if there is a Hip-Hop/Rap Hall of Fame, I hope they induct Buchanan And Goodman as Early Influences. Though they were a novelty duo, B&G were the innovators and groundbreakers of sampling, which is huge to hip-hop, rap, and now rock music. They went to the mat for the right to sample... to the courts. When the judge ruled their work as a form of burlesque, even more important was that he called it "a new form of art." That's what the Rock Hall *claims* to be about. Buchanan And Goodman provided the legal umbrella that gave hip-hop deejays and producers the license to sample old songs and turn them into new works of art. When Chuck Berry's "Maybelline" became "Huckleberry's 'The Motor Cooled Down,'" it paved the way for Chic's "Good Times" to become the Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight." Whether they are aware of it or not, rap owes something to the influence of Buchanan And Goodman. But because they were a novelty act, they'll probably never be inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

And if there ever is a Hip-Hop Hall Of Fame, they'd probably never get recognized there either, because they were white and a novelty act.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 00:41am


Wow - I forgot the final point on my last comment. Yeah, I agree with everyone - separate halls would probably satisfy everyone, but then I don't think there should be a Hall at all. It is stupid.

And I would love to see the racism card dropped from this discussion.

My apologies Leon, my last comment was more for Mike and his introduction of race into the conversation.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 04:37am


Damn It !!! How many times do I have to keep sayin' it. Rap/Hip Hop has influenced Rock music. Just look at all of those Rap and Nu-Metal bands that have popped up on the scene in the last 20 something years. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Limp Bizkit, Rage Against The Machine,and Linkin Park. And countless others.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 09:02am


If Run DMC get into a "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" then Billy Squier(one of the most sampled artists in rap history) should be inducted into a "Hip Hop Hall of Fame", but that would make no sense.

Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 10:18am


Speaking of separate Halls: If the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was for rock music alone, they would have called it the Rock Hall of Fame. But they didn't, they wanted to celebrate the entire spectre of popular music that came after rock 'n roll. That includes rock, but also soul, pop, hip-hop, reggae, punk, doowop, etc. And why not? All these genres are usually grouped together by scholars, seperated from other genres like blues, jazz, country, classical music... Music magazines usually put the emphasis on rock, pop, soul, and hip-hop, unspecialized radio stations generally play a mix of these styles, music encyclopedias and other books about contemporary popular music are most of the time dedicated to these genres, etc. You would find these genres more often grouped together than set apart.

Sure, they caused some confusion when they decided to call it the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame, especially since 70s hardrock acts like to see themselves as the true reincarnation of that genre. "I wanna rock 'n roll all ni-ite! And party every day." But try to come up with a better name. Contemporary Music Hall of Fame? That doesn't draw an audience.

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 17:43pm


Unfortunately, Claw, you're argument is somewhat refuted by the fact that the URL is not rockandrollhall.com, but rockhall.com.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 17:58pm


Bah... I mean YOUR argument. I'm such a grammarian, and then I go and do that. lol.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 17:59pm


To The_Claw. First off the hall did not just induct artists that came after the first age of rock. Miles Davis was inducted and came way before the first age of rock. Second you call the people "scholars", please thier a group of critics who souly care about the music they enjoy and not of the opinions of the fans(did you look at the rap question poll. About 55% of us felt it's not rock n' roll). Third thier are two different definitions of "rock n' roll: 1. 1950s music(which in my opinion, is not true because there were many other kinds of music at the time) 2. Rock music in general(that's the one most of us use). Fourth in any case, if you use either definition, what are most of the hip-hop, pop, country, jazz, etc. doing in there. Most of them were not in the 1950s or play rock music. So in my opinion, your argument does not hold up.

Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 18:29pm


I made a mistake in grammar myself. I ment there on my fourth sentence.

Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 18:32pm


If I am already mentioning something you all already know, please forgive me here.

Is everyone with an interest in hip-hop aware that there is a link on this site to a Future Hip-Hop Hall of Fame? It can be found by simply going to the section here marked "The Rap Question". Look for it where the comments begin.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 05.10.09 @ 05:58am


When its all said and done I just wanna see a Seperate hall for Hip-Hop.If other genres want a seperate hall then cool.The RRHOF is not going to acknowledge every worthy Hip-Hop artist.They have'nt Acknowledged"ROCK"artist like Kiss and Hall&Oates.Anyone thats contributed to Hip-Hop Influences Hip-Hop should get in.
@Cheesecrop I checked out that Futuer Hip-Hop Hall Of Fame nice real nice.

Posted by Leon on Sunday, 05.10.09 @ 15:36pm


DJ Hero ...

Posted by Joe-Skee on Saturday, 10.31.09 @ 10:44am


Finally, an issue that I am passionate about. I have looked for information of this caliber for the last several hours. Your site is greatly appreciated.

Posted by medical billing on Monday, 01.17.11 @ 19:47pm


NOT ROCK AND ROLL JUST A BUNCH OF CRAP-RAP. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS GROUP OF IDIOTS ARE DESERVED OF BEING IN THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME! THERE ARE TRUE ARTISTS OUT THERE WHO HAVE WAITED YEARS. THESE BOZOS GOT INDUCTED THERE FIRST YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY.HAVE A RAP-HIPHOP HALL OF FAME YOU IDIOTS.

Posted by JIMI on Saturday, 03.5.11 @ 00:07am


NOT ROCK AND ROLL JUST A BUNCH OF CRAP-RAP. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS GROUP OF IDIOTS ARE DESERVED OF BEING IN THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME! THERE ARE TRUE ARTISTS OUT THERE WHO HAVE WAITED YEARS. THESE BOZOS GOT INDUCTED THERE FIRST YEAR OF ELIGIBILITY.HAVE A RAP-HIPHOP HALL OF FAME YOU IDIOTS.D.M.C-WALK THE OTHER WAY.

Posted by JIMI on Saturday, 03.5.11 @ 00:18am


I love hip hop but rap artists in the rock and roll hall of fame seems very silly and annoying

Posted by Blue on Wednesday, 04.20.11 @ 21:56pm


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