Rock Hall Projected

This is a continuation of the Rock Hall Revisited project, which looked back at the past 25 Rock Hall inductions. Rock Hall Projected picks up with the 2011 induction class and will vote on at least 15 future Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction classes. The voting rules will continue from Rock Hall Revisited. A spin-off project is ranking all of the performer inductees of both the Revisited and Projected classes.

Thanks again to Gassman (and others!) for organizing and moderating the voting.

Voting Results

2011PerformersABBA, Def Leppard, Duran Duran, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Jackson Browne, John Mellencamp, The Replacements
Non-PerformersRick Rubin, Tom Donahue
InfluencesThe Ink Spots, Willie Nelson
SidemenSteve Vai, The Andantes
2012PerformersBeastie Boys, Dire Straits, Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers, George Harrison, Guns N' Roses, Soundgarden, The Zombies
Non-PerformersRussell Simmons, Seymour Stein
InfluencesThe Orioles, The Ravens
SidemenDel Casher, Sam "The Man" Taylor
2013PerformersDonna Summer, Hüsker Dü, Pixies, Public Enemy, The Carpenters, Thin Lizzy, Tom Waits
Non-PerformersJohnny Otis, Willie Mitchell
InfluencesDuke Ellington, Sonny Boy Williamson II
SidemenBoots Randolph, Rob Sabino
2014PerformersGram Parsons, LaVern Baker, N.W.A, Nirvana, The B-52's, The Righteous Brothers, The Ronettes
Non-PerformersGiorgio Moroder, Laura Nyro
InfluencesBlind Lemon Jefferson, Charles Brown
SidemenJackie Brenston, The Hi Rhythm Section
2015PerformersCat Stevens (Yusuf Islam), Connie Francis, Daryl Hall & John Oates, Green Day, Janet Jackson, Nine Inch Nails, Steve Miller Band
Non-PerformersMilt Gabler, Tony Wilson
InfluencesJelly Roll Morton, Joan Baez
SidemenJeff Porcaro, The Sweet Inspirations
2016PerformersAfrika Bambaataa, Alice In Chains#, Blur#, Jane's Addiction, Jimmy Cliff, Smashing Pumpkins#, The Jam
Non-PerformersChris Blackwell, DJ Kool Herc
InfluencesMississippi John Hurt, The Four Freshmen
SidemenJoe Satriani, Pat Smear
2017Performers2pac#, Heart, Love, Nick Drake, Pearl Jam#, Randy Newman, The Hollies
Non-PerformersDr. Dre, Nesuhi Ertegun
InfluencesHerbie Hancock, Waylon Jennings
SidemenHerb Hardesty, Thomas Dolby
2018PerformersBeck#, Del Shannon, Faith No More, Gene Pitney, LL Cool J, Radiohead#, Rage Against The Machine#
Non-PerformersEddie Kramer, Frank Barsalona
InfluencesEsther Phillips, The Dominoes
SidemenBobby Keys, John McLaughlin
2019PerformersCan, Journey, Lovin' Spoonful, Pavement, The Dead Kennedys, Warren Zevon, Whitney Houston
Non-PerformersRobert W. Pittman, Syd Nathan
InfluencesFreddie King, The Mills Brothers
SidemenBobby Womack, The Cookies/Raelettes
2020Performers"Weird Al" Yankovic, Massive Attack, Notorious B.I.G.#, Oasis#, Outkast#, The Marvelettes, Tool#
Non-PerformersJim Marshall (photographer), Todd Rundgren
InfluencesCrew Cuts, Fela Kuti
SidemenCarol Kaye, Richard Thompson
2021PerformersBad Company, Björk, Brenda Lee, Eurythmics, Jay-Z#, Stone Temple Pilots#, Weezer#
Non-PerformersDaniel Lanois, Timbaland
InfluencesEddie Lang, The Clovers
SidemenHubert Sumlin, Jesse Ed Davis
2022PerformersBon Jovi, Chic, Eminem#, Linda Ronstadt, Sparks, The Doobie Brothers, The Ventures
Non-PerformersBurt Bacharach and Hal David, Ed Sullivan
InfluencesChuck Willis, Dolly Parton
SidemenJim Gordon, Marc Benno
2023PerformersBlack Flag, Bonnie Raitt, Daft Punk#, Eric B. & Rakim, Peter, Paul & Mary, Silver Apples, The Stone Roses
Non-PerformersBob Geldof, Martin Hannett
InfluencesJohnny Ace, Merle Haggard
SidemenEric Johnson, Huey "Piano" Smith
2024PerformersMary Wells, My Bloody Valentine, Scott Walker, The Buzzcocks, The Flamingos, War, Wu-Tang Clan#
Non-PerformersHilly Kristal, Joel Whitburn
InfluencesGil Scott-Heron, Lightnin' Hopkins
SidemenGary Chester, Jah Wobble
2025PerformersBarry White, Foo Fighters#, Jan & Dean, Little Anthony & the Imperials, Mötley Crüe, Slayer, White Stripes#
Non-PerformersAshford & Simpson, Joe Meek
InfluencesScott Joplin, W.C. Handy
SidemenChris Spedding, Sheila E.
2026PerformersColdplay#, INXS, Kate Bush, Megadeth, Procol Harum, X, XTC
Non-PerformersJim Marshall (Marshall Amps), Lew Chudd
InfluencesBuchanan & Goodman, George Jones
SidemenPaul Shaffer, The Bar-Kays
2027PerformersHarry Nilsson, Lloyd Price, Missy Elliott#, Steppenwolf, Television, The Flaming Lips, The Runaways
Non-PerformersJac Holzman, Ted Templeman
InfluencesBing Crosby, Emmylou Harris
SidemenDaryl Stuermer, Robert Wyatt
2028PerformersBelle & Sebastian#, Jim Croce, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, Pantera, The Specials, Tommy James and the Shondells, Wanda Jackson
Non-PerformersArt Rupe, Glyn Johns
InfluencesJacques Brel, Karlheinz Stockhausen
SidemenJack Nitzsche, Philip Paul
2029PerformersArcade Fire#, Kanye West#, Ozzy Osbourne, PJ Harvey#, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Suicide, The Offspring
Non-PerformersLester Bangs, Sylvia Robinson
InfluencesPete Seeger, Townes Van Zandt
SidemenBilly Cox / Buddy Miles, Fred Wesley
2030PerformersBill Withers, Captain Beefheart, De La Soul, Fugazi, LCD Soundsystem#, Lou Reed, The Guess Who
Non-PerformersHipgnosis, Thom Bell
InfluencesJohn Cage, Lonnie Donnegan
SidemenClarence Clemons, The Love Unlimited Orchestra
Orange names are not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
# = Not yet eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (as of 2013)

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If you're looking for Gassman's latest project which ranks the Revisited and Projected inductees, head over to the page above. Thanks.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 00:02am


Hi all. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes around here. I think this was a fantastic, fun idea, but I missed it. So I am repeating the experience on the internet movie database message boards. We have already completed the 1986 voting, but everything else is still ahead of us. If you missed the voting here, or just want to experience it all over again, come over and vote. I'm trying to get as many voters as possible for the best results. Link here:

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000051/flat/189143281?p=2&d=189683995#189683995

Posted by jtrichey on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 12:31pm


Can we have a separate box at the bottom of this page that lists those that are enshrined in Cleveland but weren't inducted in Rock Hall Revisited/Projected? It would be great for visitors of this site since they wouldn't have to look through a lot of names to figure it out. Plus, it also points out where exactly we differ from the real Hall.


Performers:

The Moonglows (inducted in 2000)
The Dells (inducted in 2004)
Percy Sledge (inducted in 2005)


Early Influence:

Wanda Jackson (inducted in 2009)


Non-Performer:

Art Rupe (inducted in 2011)

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.4.11 @ 18:35pm


2027 was a good class as far as getting a few good acts out of the way, The Flaming Lips being my biggest priority of the batch. One thing of (not really surprising) note is that no newcomers from the past two years were inducted. The strongest "snubs" from '25 and '26 are:

Alicia Keys
Gorillaz
Interpol
Linkin Park
Nelly
Norah Jones
Phoenix
P!nk
The Shins
The Strokes
Sufjan Stevens

and we have a few good looking eligibles coming up in our next class, the most prominent of these being:

Justin Timberlake
LCD Soundsystem
Maroon 5
Rihanna
Yeah Yeah Yeahs

So would anybody support any of these artists in our next class, or is it still "too soon"? (I'm not saying I support all of them, but they are all decent contenders in some level or niche). LCD Soundsystem definitely has my vote already.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Sunday, 11.6.11 @ 16:26pm


Paul:

Out of all those acts that you listed only The Strokes and LCD Soundsystem would be added to my queue. Yeah Yeah Yeahs is a maybe for me. I doubt I would vote for any of those 3 in the next year.

The crazy thing is that the next year I already have 3 guaranteed votes for first year eligibles with Animal Collective, Arcade Fire and Kanye West. Even TV On The Radio could receive a vote.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 11.6.11 @ 20:02pm


Gassman,
all three of those (Animal Collective, Arcade Fire, Kanye) will definitely be first-years for me too, although I know enough of my queue won't be used up next ballot to score a spot for TV on the Radio the year after as well.

There's about twenty-five acts I want to get in before them. Great band though, I do agree.

Belle & Sebastian, Modest Mouse, Death Cab for Cutie, anyone?

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Sunday, 11.6.11 @ 23:15pm


Belle and Sebastian have been snubbed so much in our projects it's not funny. only one song inducted and despite getting some of the strongest support in the pre vote rankings got next to no votes. I'm more than up for supporting them.

Also if the Strokes get some more support I'll vote for them, same with Kanye.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 11.7.11 @ 11:50am


Yeah, I think about ten people had already voted before I submitted my ballot; I decided to take off Belle & Sebastian after seeing they only had one vote. I think it was the same situation with The Strokes. It's a shame really, we have next to no indie rock. Pavement's a good solo representative and I suppose you could consider The Flaming Lips and a couple of other alternative acts indie-ish, but we hardly have anything to show for of this entire critically acclaimed sector of music. I know we have a few some awesome names (LCD Soundsystem, Animal Collective, Arcade Fire, Franz Ferdinand, TV on the Radio, MGMT, Fleet Foxes) coming up in a few classes, but it'd be nice to get in acts with a little more career under their band-belts.

More controversially, I could say the same for country, to a smaller extent. I plan on supporting the just-missed-out Garth Brooks again next cycle.

Anyways: Belle & Sebastian, Modest Mouse, Death Cab, The Strokes, The Shins, Neutral Milk Hotel, Elliott Smith, Spoon, Guided by Voices, Yo La Tengo, Broken Social Scene, and Phoenix would all be worthy additions, although I'm not suggesting we oversaturate the class with them. Two or even three would be well-deserved though.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Monday, 11.7.11 @ 13:05pm


I would be down if we wanted make make a push for Garth Brooks to into the influence category, but I can't vote for him in the Perfumers section. All of the country performers that we have inducted, with the possible exception of Johnny Cash who I consider to equally Rock 'n' Roll, have been inducted as influences. If Willie Nelson, Patsy Cline and Dolly Parton are in the influence category then Garth Brooks should be in that category as well.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 11.7.11 @ 13:26pm


I was one of the people who signed up to potentially vote for Belle and Sebastian, but didn't.

I'll almost certainly vote for them next time.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 11.7.11 @ 13:35pm


Gassman, I do see the logic in that, but I don't think it's really the case. Garth Brooks is NOT really an influence. and Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Merle Haggard and George Jones shouldn't have been either. They are all performers who did not precede "rock". Key word: precede. They helped make country a part of "rock", just as Grandmaster Flash, Run-D.M.C., Public Enemy, etc. have done for hip-hop/rap. I mean reggae is less "rock" than country, but nobody questions Bob Marley. Nobody questions ABBA.

For the better, the Rock Hall isn't restricted to rock and never has been. and this is true with our Rock Hall Revisited/Projected projects especially. In the Album and Song projects we don't segregate by genres, we segregate by year. Garth Brooks has tracks and albums that are not counted as "early influences" because they aren't. They were released after the established date, and therefore should not be inducted as influences.

Why is it a different policy over here?

As time went on, country became as much a part of rock as all of the other genres we have represented. Especially by the time Garth Brooks became prominent. I know country is different from rap because it was an influence of rock, not a product of it, but that does not equate that all performers are influences of rock. In fact, many are products of it, combined with country.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Monday, 11.7.11 @ 13:57pm


I hope anybody who thinks that Garth Brooks, a man who began his recording career in 1989, should be inducted as an influence also supports the transplanting of Stevie Ray Vaughan to the influence category as well, since Blues wasn't an offshoot of rock and roll and influenced it just like Country did. Otherwise they're being hypocritical.

And dont give me the "Oh well SRV mixed the Blues with Rock" argument. It doesn't work cause Garth did the same thing with Country and Rock.

We give ourselves this great pep talk about how we're superior to Cleveland because we'll consider Prog, Hard Rock, Metal, Rap etc. when we have prejudices towards Country and Pop (post-1980s) that are just as bad.

Not trying to sound condescending, but come on people.

Posted by Jim on Monday, 11.7.11 @ 15:22pm


Jim, if this were Facebook, I would "like" your comment. I completely agree about the prejudices in all of the projects we have done. They've been very enjoyable to participate in, but if we're not going to acknowledge all genres of music, we lose a little bit of credibility amongst ourselves. I'm not saying we should induct just anything that may have been significant at any point, but so much worthy representation shouldn't be sacrificed at such a subjective level.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Monday, 11.7.11 @ 21:09pm


Jim, I just plain won't be voting for Garth Brooks in the Performers category OR the Influence category, simply because I think his music SUCKS!

That said, I intend to maintain my push for the Moonglows and the Dells and Wanda Jackson. There's a lot of ignorance in the thinking of the Dells as a late '60s and early '70s soul group. Truth is, they were around the scene since the dawn of rock'n'roll. They just never broke onto the pop scene until much later, but they were a fixture on the R&B charts for a long time before they got big with crossover success. Wanda Jackson being inducted in our version as an Influence is slightly less fraudulent than the Real Hall inducting her as an Early Influence, since the vast majority of her career WAS country, but I still feel she should be a Performer because her early rockabilly days are absolutely quintessential. As for the Moonglows, excellent group who not only gave us the classic "Sincerely", but also gave us "Please Send Me Someone To Love" and "The Ten Commandments Of Love", which are R&B/soul classics. Plus, "See Saw" is a darn good record.

Art Rupe would be a good N-P addition too. I actually give the Real Hall kudos for inducting him. Hopefully we can get him and songwriting duo Steve Barri and P.F. Sloan in next time around.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 11.7.11 @ 22:34pm


The Dells, the Moonglows and ESPECIALLY Wanda Jackson are NOT early influences. If ever there was a fact, that's one!

When this resumes I'm going to be pushing for Wanda Jackson as a Performer. Here we are, thinking we're so much better than Cleveland and then we go and do the same mistake they do.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 11.8.11 @ 04:44am


Actually, the Dells and the Moonglows are just as much NOT early influences as Wanda Jackson, I just highlighted Wanda because there was a push to get her in as an influence. Something that hasn't really occurred in a major way for the Dells/Moonglows.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 11.8.11 @ 04:46am


Where the hell is Linda Ronstadt? Why hasn't she already been inducted? It's disgraceful. And Heart? Pat Benatar, Stevie Nicks (solo), Carly Simon, Carole King, The Go-Gos, Joan Armatrading, Joan Jett, et al. What is going on with female rockers not being allowed into the Hall?

Posted by Yikes on Friday, 12.2.11 @ 20:32pm


Linda Ronstadt:

She has been called the “Queen of Rock.“
She has been called “The First Lady Of Rock.“
She has earned 11 Grammys, two Academy Of Country Music awards, an Emmy, an American Latino Media Arts award and she has received Tony and Golden Globe nominations.
She ranked No. 1 female singles seller in 1975 and 1977.
Combining albums and singles, she is one of the highest ranking artists in the history of recorded music.
All told, she has posted 38 singles on the Billboard Hot 100, reaching the top 10 on 10 different occasions, No. 2 three times and the top spot once. On the Billboard top album charts, she has 36 entries, including 10 that reached the top 10 and three that hit No. 1.
She has reached the UK top 40 with five albums and three singles, including a No. 2 single in 1989.
Between 1969 and 1994 she has had 20 singles reach the Canadian top 40, including two that peaked at No. 2 and two that reached No. 1, and nine top 20 LPs, including the “Trio” album, which hit No. 4, and “Simple Dreams,” which topped the Canadian charts.
On the Country charts, she has had solo albums and a single reach No. 1 in addition to a No. 1 collaboration with Dolly Parton and Emmylou Harris.
She is considered the first female solo artist popular enough to pack large concert arenas.
She was named top female artist of the 70s by Cash Box magazine.
She was the first female to have three consecutive platinum albums and her “Living In The USA” became the first album to ship double platinum. In addition, her “Canciones De Mi Padre” is the best selling non-English language album in United States history.
YET SHE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET EVEN A NOMINATION FROM THE ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME!!!
This has to be some kind of sick joke.
She is, of course, Linda Ronstadt.

Posted by Yikes again on Friday, 12.2.11 @ 20:35pm


I thought it was a good idea to come up with our most snubbed on here based on how the most recent election went and which artists got the most support in the primary polls. There's a couple names I would personally like to add to this list which I haven't as this only covers artists which had more than 3 supporters. I did this more for my own reference, but decided why not post it here now? Also, since I went through this when I was sleep deprived I'm 100% sure I missed some names, feel free to add them if you notice any oversights:

10cc
13th Floor Elevators
A Tribe Called Quest
Alanis Morissette
Animal Collective
Anthrax
Arcade Fire
The Association
Bad Brains
Bauhaus
Belle & Sebastian
Ben E. King
Billy Bragg
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Blue Oyster Cult
Boston
Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band
Carole King
The Chemical Brothers
Chubby Checker
Cocteau Twins
The Commodores
The Crystals
The Damned
Dave Matthews Band
The Dells
Derek and the Dominos
Desmond Dekker
Dinosaur Jr.
Dream Theater
Echo and the Bunnymen
Elliott Smith
Emmylou Harris
The Fall
The Flaming Lips
Foreigner
Franz Ferdinand
Gang of Four
Garth Brooks
Gary Numan
George Michael
Goo Goo Dolls
Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes
Harry Chapin
Hawkwind
Human League
Jesus and Mary Chain
Jim Croce
Joe Cocker
Kool and the Gang
Lou Reed
Madness
Mariah Carey
Meat Loaf
The Misfits
Minor Threat
Moby
Modest Mouse
The Moonglows
Muse
Nas
Neu!
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
No Doubt
The Offspring
Ozzy Osbourne
Paul Revere and the Raiders
Peter Tosh
PJ Harvey
The Pogues
Pulp
Richard and Linda Thompson
The Shangri-Las
The Sonics
The Specials
The Spencer Davis Group
Suicide
Ted Nugent
Three Dog Night
Tommy James and the Shondells
Toots and the Maytals
Tori Amos
Ultravox
The Verve
Violent Femmes
Wanda Jackson
Wilco
Wire

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 12.3.11 @ 05:35am


Gah, the Flaming Lips were inducted last round (D'oh). Told you i was sleep deprived.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 12.3.11 @ 05:39am


Also Animal Collective and Arcade Fire aren't eligible until the year after our next round of voting.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 12.3.11 @ 05:48am


Also Emmylou Harris was inducted as a influence in the last round.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 12.3.11 @ 05:52am


Thanks Gassman.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 12.3.11 @ 07:06am


I don't know how many supporters these acts had but I think they probably belong in a most snubbed list:

KRS-One/Boogie Down Productions
De La Soul
Carly Simon
Cyndi Lauper
Kool and the Gang (last mandatory disco induction imo)

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 12.3.11 @ 07:28am


With everybody giving their personal opinions on music and the artists we have inducted, I feel like I should give my two cents on my musical opinions. I am going to go class by class and give a short paragraph on each artist. I’ll also give my favorite song and album (if applicable).

1986

Chuck Berry – Easily my favorite early Rock and Roll performer. The fact that plays lead guitar and wrote his own songs along with his lead vocals places him in much higher personal regard then other artists of the era. That’s one reason why I also struggle when trying to think of who is great between Berry and Elvis (Elvis usually ends up winning). One of my biggest musical goals in life is to head down to St. Louis and see one if his shows.

Favorite Song – Johnny B. Goode
Favorite Album – N/A

James Brown & The Famous Flames – For some reason I have never been as big of a fan of James Brown as I have been in other early R&B performers. Yet he is the Godfather of Soul and he has a ton of great songs. Also I really respect his ability to change and transform genres. I have always been more of a fan of his funkier stuff, but I still can respect some of that 50’s R&B.

Favorite Song – Papa’s Got A Brand New Bag (Part 1)
Favorite Album – Live At The Apollo

Ray Charles – Here is another person that I really haven’t been able to get that into. He has a few songs that I really enjoy like “What’d I Say” and “I Got A Woman.” Yet other than that and a few others I really don’t click that well with his music. I know he did a lot of important things like mixing R&B with Jazz and then later with Country, so respect him a ton for that.

Favorite Song – What’d I Say
Favorite Album – N/A

Buddy Holly & The Crickets – Buddy Holly is probably my favorite white Rock and Roller of the 1950’s (Elvis is close). There is just something about him that just seems so much more organic than Elvis. Also that fact that he, along with The Crickets, were huge influences on The Beatles only puts Holly in higher personal regard. Songs like “That’ll Be The Day,” “Peggy Sue,” and “Not Fade Away” are some of my favorites of that decade. The intro to “That’ll Be The Day” gives me chills every time I hear it. Rock and Roll missed out on a ton of potential when he died.

Favorite Song – That’ll Be The Day
Favorite Album – The “Chirping” Crickets

Jerry Lee Lewis – “Great Balls of Fire” and “Whole Lotta Shakin’ Goin’ On” are two of the best and most important songs of early Rock music. Yet when it comes to Jerry Lee Lewis I always ask “Ok, that’s awesome, what’s next?” Unfortunately I haven’t been able to find anything else that I enjoy like those two songs. Some of his country songs are good and I enjoyed his duet album “Last Man Standing,” but everything else just seems lacking. Am I missing something here?

Favorite Song – Great Balls Of Fire
Favorite Album – N/A

Elvis Presley – What really can be said about The King. There are so many great songs from three decades. My favorite era of his would have to be those early Sun Records recordings. I love “That’s All Right” and “Mystery Train” as they more organic than some of later 50’s recordings. You can here the different musical genre’s mixing in the recording. Also he recordings from his late 60’s come back era is also really good.

Favorite Song – That’s All Right
Favorite Album – Sun Session Recordings

Little Richard – “Bop bopa-a-lu a whop bam bo” What else do you need to know about Little Richard? Recording some of the best early rock songs he helped add the eccentric, random and crazy aspects to early Rock music.

Favorite Song – Tutti Frutti
Favorite Album - N/A

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 19:42pm


Of all of next years newly eligible artists I would support The Black Keys, The Decemberists, LCD Soundsystem, The Mars Volta, The Libertines, & Yeah Yeah Yeahs.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 20:51pm


Oh and also Maroon 5.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 21:18pm


I'll vote for LCD Soundsystem this round. On one hand it feels weird to me to induct them right away with important predecessors like Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, Gary Numan/Tubeway Army, Aphex Twin, the Chemical Brothers and Moby still sitting out there, but at this point I'll vote for any electronic act that gathers support.

The Black Keys might make my ballot right away depending how things shape up.

I'm highly supportive of Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs, the Libertines, the Decemberists and Davendra Banhart, but probably won't get to any of them right away.

Cee-Lo Green, Iron & Wine and the Mars Volta are all acts that I would possibly support at some point when we've chipped away more of our backlog.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 23:01pm


I'd like to see John Denver in the influence category.

I'll also be voting for Luther Vandross, Sufjan Stevens, The Shangri-Las, and Salt-N-Pepa next round for performers.

We should get Don Kirshner, Art Rupe and Glyn Johns in the NP section, along with Sylvia Robinson.

Posted by DC on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 23:37pm


My ballot will likely consist of:

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
The Commodores
The Pogues
Salt-N-Pepa
The Shangri-Las
Sufjan Stevens
Luther Vandross

Posted by DC on Saturday, 12.10.11 @ 23:43pm


Belle & Sebastian. They have the support. Let's get behind them next fall!

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 02:13am


I'm definitely echoing your support on The Commodores and The Shangri-Las, DC. Especially the latter, which I think should be a mandatory female inductee.

Speaking of female inductees, I think we're lacking in 80s and 90s female represantation, for mainstream rock Pat Benatar and Alanis Morissette defines their respective decades. I think Carly Simon should be in as well.

As for hip-hop, I'm definitely pulling for A Tribe Called Quest next. We still don't have alternative hip-hop represented. Salt-N-Pepa are cool but I'd be more willing to push Queen Latifah instead.

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds also look very good for my vote. I love Sugjan but I don't know if I'll have room for him in my ballot.

Finally, I see your John Denver and raise you a Conway Twitty (who I will be pulling for as an influence).

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 02:48am


I will throw toward support for Belle & Sebastian next fall. I have several acts newly eligible and backlog I wish to support. I've already listed newly eligibles I would support. Backlog I still wish to support along with Belle & Sebastian: Wanda Jackson, Carly Simon, Blue Oyster Cult, Dream Theater, Carole King, Joe Cocker, Blood, Sweat, & Tears, The Shangri-Las, Sufjan Stevens, Anthrax, KMFDM and many others. So I'll have to sort through a large list of artists I would support to pick 7 for next fall. I can say as of now I do plan on voting for Belle & Sebastian, Wanda Jackson, & KMFDM next fall.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 02:53am


Good call on Wanda Jackson, Greg. I'll definitely be supporting her. This induction has been a long-time coming for this project, hopefully we can finally pull the trigger on it come next year.

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 03:09am


I'm supportive of a Belle & Sebasian induction, but I've got an awful lot of priorities that have been blocking them from my ballot lately. They are in consideration for a spot, though.

As for influence, I could see using a vote for either John Denver or Conway Twitty, but I think we're also due for an Influence inductee that's a little more adventurous and breaks out of the safe Blues-Jazz-Country mold. Someone like a John Cage or Karlheinz Stockhausen who influenced the avaunt-garde/experimental side of things or even a major influential Franco-pop star like Jacques Brel or Serge Gainsbourg.

With the generation of acts that we're looking at and considering right now I think we really need to expand our scope of Influence candidates out of the safe, traditional zone.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 03:22am


I'd also love to not see Cleveland beat us to Bad Brains, which could well happen.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 03:45am


I could see myself supporting Jacques Brel as an influence, speaking of which, I'd like to see his song "Amsterdam" inducted over at the song project.

In terms of the Performer candidates, I'll definitely be supporting Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Wanda Jackson, the Pogues and the Spencer Davis Group. That's already four I'm certain on, we really need to get Wanda Jackson in as a Performer and not an influence. Also, I think that now with the Small Faces/Faces in Cleveland, the Hall will go for the Spencer Davis Group and I'd really hate for them to beat us to it with these guys.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 05:18am


In regards to Belle and sebastian, why on earth are they not in? they have so much support leading up but suddenly everyone drops them.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 07:25am


I'd like to see his song "Amsterdam" inducted over at the song project. -Tahvo

Count me in.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 15:56pm


As far as my ballot next year goes, Nick Cave and LCD Soundsystem are locks. Bad Brains are highly likely. If it seems that the respectable amount of support that Captain Beefheart and the Fall got last round is going to carry over, I would get behind either or both of them.

I'm also strongly considering Belle & Sebastian and the Spencer Davis Group.

Also, with No Doubt almost making it in last round it got me thinking that we could really use some work in the Ska/Reggae area. If there was any support for someone like the Specials, Desmond Dekker, Burning Spear, Toots & the Maytals or Peter Tosh I could get behind that.

I had wanted to start pushing a little more aggressively for either Bauhaus or Siouxsie & the Banshees, but I'll probably hold off on that with three punk/post-punk acts already likely to be on my ballot. I also probably wont vote for any electronic acts this year except LCD as it would likely be a wasted vote to have two acts from that direction on my ballot.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 16:19pm


Belle & Sebastian has my vote next year.

I promise.

I'm also almost guaranteed to vote for LCD Soundsystem and Death Cab for Cutie. The latter depends if I can get more support though, because as it seems I'm the only one who strongly does.

Fourthly, I want to see Garth Brooks get in. He deserves it, and in no way is he an EARLY influence, no matter what anyone says. Willie Nelson and George Jones really shouldn't have been either.

Fifth, I will most likely vote for The Offspring. I like Bad Brains and Minor Threat, but The Offspring is my next punk vote.

Sixth and seventh, are still up in the air.

I'm considering Modest Mouse, Pantera, No Doubt, Sufjan Stevens, and Dream Theater. So any support my picks?

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 16:49pm


We don't have a early influence category. I'll be voting for Garth Brooks in the the Influences category. Would be one of our biggest inconsistency if we inducted him as a performer.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 18:30pm


Actually, inducting Garth Brooks as an Influence would be a massive inconsistency on are part. Just because he comes from a genre that predated Rock and Roll doesn't mean he shouldn't be considered as a Performer. If that's the case, we need to throw Stevie Ray Vaughan in the Influences category since Blues predated Rock and Roll too. I see people stating that they'll vote for LCD Soundsystem, Kanye West etc., you seriously can't say they somehow pass the "rock and roll" test and Garth Brooks doesn't.

I'd really like to hear this case for Garth Brooks as an influence though. Dude was making his records around the same time as acts like Public Enemy and Nirvana, so he certainly doesn't meet the timeframe of an "Influence". To me, it seems like people are just trying to drag their feet rather than just admit he's worthy. They can't outright say he's not worthy (except for Phillip), because his influence is way too obvious, but they won't vote for him cause he's a Country artist. If the likes of Jay-Z, Donna Summer and the Carpenters fall under our definition of "rock and roll" there's no way you can possibly not include Garth under that.

I'd argue Garth was alot like Johnny Cash, in the sense that his music fell under the "Country" banner but had alot of rock influence in it. And we didn't induct Johnny Cash as an influence either.

We already messed up on Country by inducting Willie Nelson as an Influence when he should've been in as a Performer, lets not do the same with Garth.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 22:56pm


Innovation and Influence. What did Garth do that was innovative? Who did he influence aside from modern country stars? If you induct him, why not induct Shania Twain and Travis Tritt and whomever else. Modern country is a separate and distinctive genre that is not related to rock 'n roll being about rebellion and creativity. Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Brenda Lee, Wanda Jackson...all clearly made what you could consider rock music and toed the line between the country of the time and rock of the time. Hank Williams? A clear and obvious influence on future rock artists.

But Garth Brooks? No freakin' way. Did he influence Animal Collective? Coldplay? Radiohead? Anybody? No.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 23:02pm


Here's the key. If Garth Brooks, why not Kenny G? What's the difference? They both sold bucket-loads of records years ago that had nothing to do with rock and are both mostly afterthoughts in the music of today.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 23:03pm


Also when it comes to newly eligibles I'm casting a vote for Kanye West. I think it's too soon to judge Maroon 5 yet, although they've gotten off to a good start.

My ballot will pretty much be the same as it was last year:

The Offspring
George Michael
Garth Brooks (As a performer)
The Commodores
Tommy James & The Shondells
Kanye West
Mariah Carey (Cause it's about time we start acknowleding 90s R&B damnit)

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 23:03pm


Basically, I feel that we should be inducting Hip Hop artists and Country artists that blur the lines. A few years ago, I was looking for music videos On Demand on cable and under BET's channel, there was a rock sub-listing. I clicked it and low-and-behold it was a selection of videos from Jay-Z and Kanye West. Just as there's clearly a difference between the artist like Kanye that advance music forward and sample heavily from the rock-era compared to some bland obvious thug rapper, there's a difference between an innovator like Hank Williams and someone that polishes modern country turds like Garth Brooks. The country Hall of Fame is where they'll induct the Garth Brooks's of the world just as how the inevitable Hip Hop Hall of Fame will induct the Master P's of the world. We're here to focus on rock and get the crossover artists that are groundbreaking and widely important. Just as we don't focus on bland modern rock by inducting Nickelback, we don't focus on un-innovative modern country by inducting Garth Brooks.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 23:06pm


Garth Brooks won't get my vote as a performer. All of our Country acts have been inducted in the influences section. I consider Johnny Cash and Stevie Ray Vaughan to be closer to Rock on the music spectrum than to Blues/County, thats why I personally have no problem with them in the performers section. Garth Brooks is pure Country, which to me equals influence section. My guess in this situation is we are just going to split votes and he'll end up not getting inducted in either category.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 23:13pm


"Modern Country is a separate and distinctive genre that is not related to rock and roll being about rebellion and creativity"

Right, because when I think of "rebellion and creativity" I think of Coldplay.

"Who did he influence outside of modern Country Stars?"

And who did the Carpenters influence outside of Adult Contempary? And who did LL Cool J influence outside of Rap? You can have this argument with any genre of music thats not white kids thrashing guitars. Inevitably, a certain segment of musicians will be influenced by a certain artist the most. In this case, Garth influenced alot of Country.

Just because a bunch of indie rockers aren't blasting out "Friends In Low Places" at concerts doesn't mean Garth hasn't influenced others and earned a spot. We've inducted Performers who had a lot less to do with Rock and Roll than Garth did (Linda Ronstadt anyone?)

Our scope of rock and roll has gotten pretty wide, and Country fits into it IMO. Last time I checked the criteria was "Influence, Innovation and perpetuation of the artform". No set guidelines against Country there. This is the same attitude that persists at the real Hall, except instead of Country they refuse to consider Prog cause they don't think that's "real rock and roll" either.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 23:17pm


Good points Casper.

Also Kanye West isn't eligible in this next round of voting, he'll be eligible the year after.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 23:18pm


That's a fair enough explanation Casper, I dont agree, but I understand it.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 23:19pm


I think we should have some sort of trigger effect to prevent candidates from being inducted. We only vote on this once a year and with so many ballots being full of non-contenders, somebody like Garth can get in even if the other 3/4 of voting members strongly disagree.

I say, after the initial voting, someone can start a campaign to not allow somebody in and if 50% are in favor, that candidate isn't inducted. It would also be a good model to have just in case we suddenly get flooded by Coven fans or whatever.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 23:19pm


Is there any support for KMFDM? I plan on voting for them if there is enough support for them. If any other industrial act has more support than KMFDM I likely vote for something else in it's place. I do intend to vote for an industrial act next year if the support is there. As of now my pick is KMFDM.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 02:02am


On the Garth Brooks issue, I can really only echo what Gassman and Casper have said.

I agree with Jim on one point: inducting Willie Nelson as an Influence rather than a Performer was a mistake. But, that's because the likes Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings or Steve Earle (who's a name worth considering sometime soon) were as relevant as rock artists as they were country (and Stevie Ray Vaughan and the three Kings were to rock and blues). Garth Brooks was pure overproduced modern Nashville product, which is something that is completely separate from what we're acknowledging here.

As far as throwing out LCD Soundsystem and Kanye West as examples of questionable "rock" credentials, that's creeping into the territory of the drive-by cretins who only think about the HoF once a year while they're whining about it on a main stream news site. And I know that you're far above those types, Jim. Synthpop and Rap/Hip-hop are genres that developed in the "Rock and Roll" era, under direct influence, and fall under that umbrella, but modern Nashville establishment country has a completely different line of lineage.

As far as Casper's trigger idea goes, it would be tempting to use if Garth Brooks or the Offspring are ever inducted (and I'm not being intentionally personal toward Jim or Paul K on those two, I just strongly disagree with the merits of both candidates), or even to use retroactively on "Wierd Al" Yankovic, but I could see the real potential for backfire. We're better to just accept our bad inductees and moving on. ;)

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 02:25am


Agreed DarinRG. No trigger effect. A couple more influence induction mistakes Emmylou Harris, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Esther Philips, Joan Baez, and Chuck Willis. I feel these acts should have been inducted as performers.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 02:36am


I agree with all of those, Greg F, even though I contributed to the mistake on some of them.

On the KMFDM question, any other year I'd be enthusiastically on board, but with LCD Soundsystem being first ballot this year and seeming to have good support, I'd be really surprised to see two electronic acts have a strong showing in the same year (or the same decade) with our track record.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 02:48am


I'll likely vote for LCD Soundsystem next fall. I'll see what happens.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 03:28am


I regretably had a part of the influence induction of Screamin' Jay Hawkins. If I could go back in time I would have pushed for him in the performer category instead of the influence.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 03:32am


I would absolutely support the Specials if there were more people willing to vote them.

I would also definitely be willing to vote for Latifah rather than S-N-P if support built. I think that both Queen Latifah and Salt-N-Pepa, along with A Tribe Called Quest are essential hip-hop inductees, but I doubt I could make room for ATCQ unless my backlog clears.

I really, really hope Sufjan Stevens can build support.

Posted by DC on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 04:25am


I absolutely agree the Specials should be inducted, especially if No Doubt is getting strong consideration, count me in on the Specials.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 04:30am


So far, my next ballot will include:

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
The Commodores
Tommy James and the Shondells
George Michael

Count me in as supporting the Specials; they're the middle ground between the classic reggae artists we've looked at in the past, and the later ska-punk bands who've been slowly getting traction from No Doubt on down. I'd like to see them a little more love seeing as the whole two-tone/ska-punk end of the spectrum came from their work.

Greg F., I's place KMFDM third on my list of industrial bands needing consideration. I see Throbbing Gristle and Skinny Puppy as being more important in the long run. In the same area, we also have goth music to consider, with the Damned and Bauhaus being comparable (not to mention quite a few other groups from that era, such as Wire, the Cramps, Siouxie and the Banshees, Cabaret Voltaire and the Art of Noise). However, any vote for a band from that era will probably be taken up by the Specials, so it's a moot point for me.

Hip hop is getting a little harder for me to peg down. Right now, I see the most eligible artists in that area being Snoop Dogg, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, the Fugees and the Sugarhill Gang (in roughly that order). All of them have their merits and reasons for consideration; I'm just not sure which of them trumps the others. Salt-n-Pepa have the crossover success, but I don't see them making the final cut in terms of induction; while Queen Latifah and Monie Love and arguably even Neneh Cherry or Roxanne Shante are way below that in my estimation. Same thing goes with Nas, KRS-One/Boogie Down Productions or Ice-T.

I'm sitting out of the Garth Brooks argument. I can understand the reasoning behind voting for him (and the Dixie Chicks for that matter). But neither of them will be getting my vote any time soon, so it doesn't matter to me.

Posted by Ian on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 08:49am


:o... perhaps I should never mention "Garth Brooks" again. Goodness gracious. One final directly-related point: In hindsight, I think the influences category should have always been "Early Influences". Everything that was prominently active after 1954/55 should have been in the Performer category. The line between what genres are rock and which aren't are very blurry. We should have gone the route of our Song and Album Projects and been all-genre inclusive. That's just my opinion, others are welcome to disagree of course.

Anyways, glad to see support for Sufjan Stevens and LCD Soundsystem. If I'm voting for any hip-hop/rap artist at this point, it will be Snoop Dogg. I would vote for Dr. Dre, but he's already in as a non-performer for his incredible work as a producer. I assume this makes him ineligible as a Performer as well, even though he's very qualified?

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 10:50am


I'd throw a vote towards John Denver, but was he more country or country rock? Just wondering what everyone's opinions are.

I think it should be time to induct Ozzy Osbourne. I think his solo career definitely has the credentials. Anthrax and System of a Down are also among my metal queue.

Some support thrown towards the punk scene would be nice. I know I keep saying this, but Bad Brains, the Damned, Minor Threat, Misfits, & Sonics are all more than worthy for induction. I like the Offspring, and would vote for them, but I feel like the previous five all have greater credentials.

I think Wanda Jackson is an important one too. And I feel that putting her in the influences category would be a major mistake. I've already explained that if she should be an influence just because she is the so-called "Queen of Rockabilly" than Carl Perkins was a mistake as a performer, since he's the "King of Rockabilly" and his music outdates hers! In that regard, they're on equal footing, and should both be performers.

For hip hop, I don't know, I feel like it's important to induct those that have that connection to rock. I suppose A Tribe Called Quest is a good option.

There are a bunch of other inductees on that list that Tahvo posted that i'd support.

I'll stay mum on the Garth Brooks debate. I see both sides to the argument. I don't agree with the trigger effect thing though. I feel like that can backfire far too easily.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 12:10pm


Kanye's eligible this year isn't he? if he is he's getting a vote.

As for modern country not being rock enough to be worthy... what, rap is? When I see people try and link rock to rap i always think the links are way to odistant to be significant. rap came from a mix of disco, funk and reggae. wel lreggae came from ska, discois kind athe child of funk and funk -> soul -> doo wop which has a bit in common with rock and roll of the 50's, a stlye that died in the early 60's. hardly a great link with rock.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 12:25pm


Kanye West isn't eligible for the next round of voting. He'll be eligible the year after. If you want to see who is the newly eligible artists next year, look at this list:

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/year.php?eligible_year=2027

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 13:37pm


Having a look... nobody I feel like supporting there.

Also how come so much talk on here and not on the song/album projects? this has got 9 months till it carrys on, they've got 3 weeks!

Posted by GFW on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 14:11pm


I'll throw my 2 cents into the argument here.

As of now, I'll probably follow the same type of ballot breakdown that I had last time around consisting of:

1 Real R&RHOFer
1 90's Artist
1 Punk Artist
1 Metal Artist
1 Alternative Artist
1 Rap/R&B Artist
1 "Classic" Rock Artist

My considerations for those spots are as follows:

Real R&RHOFer: Wanda Jackson, The Small Faces/Faces, The Dells, The Moonglows, Percy Sledge - At this point, it looks like Wanda Jackson has a lot of support, so I'm almost 100% sure she'll be my pick.

90's Artist: No Doubt, Dave Matthews Band, PJ Harvey, Tori Amos, Sublime - Like Wanda Jackson, this pick is pretty well set in stone. I voted for No Doubt last time and they just missed the cut. I'll be voting for them again.

Punk Artist: The Offspring, Bad Brains, The Misfits, Fugazi, Minor Threat - Though I've been voting for The Offspring for a couple of years now, I worry that their support has topped out. That said, while there are better options from the late 70's/early 80's, there doesn't seem to be much agreement on which band should be next in line. If that stays the same, I'll likely vote for The Offspring again.

Metal Band: Pantera, Ozzy Osbourne, System of a Down, Korn, Anthrax - After almost nobody voted for Ozzy Osbourne last year, I'm hesitant to throw a vote his way again. I personally feel strongly enough about Pantera's candidacy that I'd consider a strong campaign to induct them. They will likely get my vote this time around.

Alternative band: Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, The Fall, Bauhaus, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Belle & Sebastian - I think that all of these bands deserve consideration (with Bauhaus being the most worthy), but I'm inclined to follow whichever band has the most support. At this point, it looks like Nick Cave, but that could easily change closer to the next round.

Rap/R&B Artist: The Commodores, Kool & the Gang, A Tribe Called Quest, Mariah Carey, Nas - Now that Missy Elliot has been inducted, there doesn't seem to be consistent support for any one particular rap artist, so I doubt I'll be voting for one this time around. I think Mariah Carey deserves induction, but I see way too much resistance against modern pop music to think she has a chance right now. I will likely vote for The Commodores since their support seems to be pretty good right now.

Classic Rock: Tommy James & the Shondells, The Spencer Davis Group, Boston, Ted Nugent, Blue Oyster Cult - I'll admit that I have absolutely no idea who will get my vote. I'll probably hold serve on this one until shortly before voting starts next September. If I had to pick right now, I'd go with Tommy James & the Shondells.

In summary, if I voted right now, my ballot would consist of:

Wanda Jackson
No Doubt
The Offspring
Pantera
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
The Commodores
Tommy James & the Shondells

To weigh in on a couple of other topics:

LCD Soundsystem - Sorry, but if this band gets in right away, it'll be a mistake. When you consider how few bands we've inducted from the 2000's, and how few bands we've inducted on the first-ballot lately, it just doesn't add up. They aren't close to being the biggest indie rock snub and haven't made enough of an impact this decade to suggest that they should get in ahead of (among others) System of a Down, Queens of the Stone Age, The Strokes, Wilco or Muse, who are all already eligible and are significant snubs from the decade. If you really want to see an indie rock band get in, I'd vote for Belle & Sebastian or Modest Mouse.

Garth Brooks - I'm going to have to sit on the fence on this one. Both sides make good arguments, but as others have said I wouldn't vote for him right now anyway so it matter really matter to me.

Kanye West - He'll be on my ballot for the 2030 cycle when he's eligible for the 1st time.

Posted by BSLO on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 14:13pm


Sorry, that should say "doesn't really matter to me".

Is Kanye West eligible for the 2029 or 2030 class? Looking at the "Future Eligibles" list on this website, Guns N' Roses are listed under 2011, but weren't inducted into our project until 2012 (their first time eligible). I would assume the same would apply to Kanye West since he's listed under 2029.

Posted by BSLO on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 14:18pm


Hmm, actually it looks like Kanye is listed on one page as 2028 and another as 2029. I'll go with what Gassman said and assume he'll eligible in 2028. :)

Posted by BSLO on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 14:27pm


I would suggest to vote John Denver in the performer. He's more of a mix country and soft rock. If you're going to support John Denver throw him in as a performer. Don't make the same mistake him like we did with Emmylou Harris. I believe she had qualifications as performer since she is more of a country rock artist as opposed to pure country.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 15:05pm


"As far as throwing out LCD Soundsystem and Kanye West as examples of questionable "rock" credentials, that's creeping into the territory of the drive-by cretins who only think about the HoF once a year while they're whining about it on a main stream news site. And I know that you're far above those types, Jim. Synthpop and Rap/Hip-hop are genres that developed in the "Rock and Roll" era, under direct influence, and fall under that umbrella, but modern Nashville establishment country has a completely different line of lineage."

Sorry if you misunderstood me, I'm not trying to be the kind of person that bitches about REO Speedwagon not being in.

But isn't it possible that modern Country has a lineage that is mixed with rock and roll? I often see Garth getting credit for mixing Country with stadium rock, so is that not an example of blurring the line (as Casper put it) between Rock and Country.

I just think that the notion that Garth isn't "rock enough" is completely absurd, as we've inducted more than a few artists who I wouldn't necessarily qualify as "Rock". I'd argue Garth's music had alot more of a "Rock" sound to it than Hall & Oates, Connie Francis, Donna Summer and others. (Not asking you to defend them, just throwing a couple out there)

Basically, my position is that the Rock Hall is really the music Hall of Fame and it chronicles the evolution of music, which includes Country. I personally don't care for Garth's music or the modern Nashville scene he influenced, but I'd be a fool to act as opposing his induction wouldn't be opposite to my position on stuff being "rock" enough for the Hall. I don't oppose Kanye or LCD Soundsystem either, I think our Hall is big enough for both Garth Brooks and Kanye West.

Were to induct Garth as an influence, I think it would be time to have a serious discussion about what constitutes an "influence" as aopposed to a "performer" cause there seems to be more than a few people who are/were displeased about several of our Influence inductees.

Posted by Jim on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 15:25pm


I would not ever vote for Garth Brooks. That's all I have to say about the matter.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 15:42pm


"Alternative band: Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, The Fall, Bauhaus, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Belle & Sebastian - I think that all of these bands deserve consideration (with Bauhaus being the most worthy), but I'm inclined to follow whichever band has the most support. At this point, it looks like Nick Cave, but that could easily change closer to the next round." - BSLO

I agree with all of those. I've been pushing for Nick Cave for a long time, so I'm glad to see some support lining up. I would definitely join you in a push for Bauhaus after that, or even sooner if they started to build more momentum than the Fall, who had a respectable showing last round.

Also, as a general comment, remaining punk acts that I'd support, roughly in order are Bad Brains, the Damned, Minor Threat, the Misfits and Richard Hell & the Voidoids (also, the Sonics and Fugazi if you want to include them in this category). I'm pretty much 100% sure of voting for Bad Brains next round.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.12.11 @ 18:05pm


Jim, your comments sum up my feelings on the matter very nicely. It's more about what constitutes as an Influence as opposed to supporting Garth Brooks (it's not that I'm pushing for him as a performer so much as it is that I'm completely opposed to him (or any artist who doesn't pre-date the Rock Era) being inducted as an influence). I too view it as more of a Music Hall, like our Song and Album projects. But I don't really care anymore. To be honest, it should be about who I feel the seven best candidates not currently in our hall are. Those artists are who I should be pushing for. and Garth isn't one of them, even if he is one of the only contemporary country artists I truly am a fan of. Maybe in a few years we can have this discussion again. But there are certainly a few classes worth of artists who should get in before him.

Belle & Sebastian? Has my vote, that's decided.

LCD Soundsystem? Vote #2.

Death Cab for Cutie. Anyone?

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 00:16am


Belle & Sebastian- yes

LCD Soundsystem- yes

Death Cab for Cutie- maybe

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 00:31am


Philip said:


Hey gang, the Rock Hall Projected page won't load for me. It's got too many entries, I think, but I can still read the latest comments. If someone could copy and paste this entry on that page, I'd appreciate it.

Garth, no, I won't be voting for him either in Influence or Performer. His musical quality just doesn't pass muster for me.

Myself, if I can find a way to get the page to load, I'm going after most of the real Hall of Famers. Wanda, Moonglows and Dells, primarily. They've got to get in. The inductions of the Dells and Moonglows were NOT mistakes. They were darn good choices. Wanda belongs in as a Performer, NOT influence.

Belle And Sebastian I'd be willing to help with, too. If I remember them correctly, they've got a pretty cool sound despite being ethereal and trippy (not what I usually go for). Next in the punk catalog has gotta be Bad Religion. I do think we've gotta get back to mainstream, too. I know we love the alt-scenes, but realistically, the mainstream will always overshadow the alt in the real Hall. That will never change. For non-rap R&B, I'm pushing for Boyz II Men first, then Mariah later. There is still a huge backlog of oldies era artists that I'd like to get in as well, but knowing how greatly I'm outnumbered, I'm willing to play ball and help out you guys if you'll throw me a bone or two every cycle.

As for the other categories, if we haven't gotten Freddie King in yet, he would be a good call for Influence if we stick to previous trends. Not that we should, but I honestly don't see it changing. Kirshner, Rupe, and Johns should be put in our N-P inductions within the next two rounds, too.

Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 00:55am


Jim Croce

Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 00:57am


I would possible go for a punk act just not sure who yet. Freddie King I plan on voting for him as an influence and the 2nd influence might be either Buck Owens, Frank Stokes, Karlheinz Stockhausen, or Johnny Ray. For non-performers will probably be the same as last time Van Dyke Parks and Jim Steinman.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 01:32am


Anyone thinking about voting for Freddie King as an influence should take a look at 2019 up above.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 01:42am


Oh forgot we already inducted Freddie King. Anyway my influence vote would likely go to Karlheinz Stockhausen and Johnnie Ray.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 01:47am


I'll be voting for Karlheinz Stockhausen and Jacques Brel as my two influences. I'm almost 100% sure.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 05:37am


Since this seems to be pre-pre season, I'll try and share what my ballot would probably look like if I were to cast a vote today:

Performers:

1. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
2. The Spencer Davis Group
3. The Pogues
4. Wanda Jackson
5. The Specials
6. ?
7. ?

The remaining performer candidates would probably be from this list, to narrow down my priorities, the more * next to the name, the better chance they have of getting a vote from me next round:

The 13th Floor Elevators*
Bauhaus*
Belle & Sebastian*
Billy Bragg*
Blue Oyster Cult
Cliff Richard and the Shadows
The Cramps (or the Meteors)
The Dells**
Fairport Convention
Jim Croce***
The Misfits* (and all the others Darin mentioned)
The Monks*
The Moonglows**
The Shangri-Las*
The Soft Boys (or Robyn Hitchcock)
The Sonics
Tindersticks
The Tokens**
Tommy James and the Shondells*


Influences:

1. Karlheinz Stockhausen
2. Jacques Brel

I may vote for Johnny "Guitar" Watson again, or maybe Keb' Mo' I may even vote for Johann Sebastian Bach. If there's not sufficient support for any of these, however, I'll stick with Stockhausen and Brel.


Non-Performers:

Two out of these five, most likely:

Art Rupe
Don Kirshner
Glyn Johns*
Sylvia Robinson**
Van Dyke Parks**


Sidemen:

1. Georg Wadenius
2. ?

No idea at this point who else I'd vote for in the sideman category. I have a big list and I'm having trouble narrowing it down.

In addition, I'm not going to weigh in on the Garth Brooks issue. I can see both sides to the argument, but I personally won't be voting for him anytime soon, either as an influence or a performer.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 06:07am


OK, even though I said I wouldn't weigh in on the Garth Brooks-issue, I'm going to anyway.

I see the Garth Brooks debate as part of a larger problem with our Hall, and that problem is with the influence category. There seems to be two sides to this issue, one side views our Hall as more of a "Popular Music" Hall of Fame and considers the term "Rock and Roll" to be an umbrella term for popular music in general. This group considers the influence category to strictly apply to artists who had the bulk of their career prior to the traditionally accepted start of the Rock & Roll era (circa 1954). Essentially how Cleveland's "Early" Influence category works (in theory).

The other group views the influence category as reserved for those artists who aren't "rock & roll" in the traditional sense but had a major impact on music and whose careers were both before or after the start of the rock and roll era.

There are pros and cons with both models, I'll deal with each one at a time, beginning with the "Popular Music Hall" concept.

The advantages of the Popular Music Hall concept is that it doesn't try to separate what's rock and what's not, it is a politically correct, all inclusive Hall (blues, country, electronica, rock, doo-wop, soul, rap, dance, etc) that tries to recognize the most "important" (that's another debate) artists since the mid-1950's. The primary disadvantage with this concept is that it should then be called "The Popular Music Hall of Fame" and not "The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame." In addition, if you're using "Rock & Roll" as a term for popular music, why should you use 1954 as a border between inducting artists as Performers or Influences? Why should Elmore James be put in as an influence but not B.B. King? If we're not strictly dealing with "rock and roll" here than why should we bother using 1954 as a checkpoint? Why not induct everybody since Scott Joplin or Enoch Light as Performers?

The main advantages of the second concept is that it remains true to its name, "Rock and Roll" therefore, only "Rock and Roll" artists are allowed to enter. The disadvantage is obvious, what constitutes rock and roll? Where do you draw the line between blues and blues-rock? Country and country-rock? Folk and folk-rock? For example, we inducted the Kingston Trio and Joan Baez as Influences but Peter, Paul & Mary as Performers, why? Where does this place electronica? Should Kraftwerk and Can be inducted as Performers or influences? What about those artists who blurred the lines between electronica and rock? See what I mean, it's a slippery slope.

I'm done ranting here, the fact of the matter is that neither proposal will satisfy everybody or be perfect (Cleveland hasn't even been able to get this right and screwed up on several occasions, Wanda Jackson and Miles Davis being the most obvious). The only solution I have is to have two influence categories, an "Early Influence" (everything Pre-1954) and an "Outside Influence" (everything not rock and roll post-1954) and keep it strict to inducting rock and roll artists as performers or change the name to the Popular Music Hall of Fame. I mean, think about it, it's called "The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" but neither "playing rock and roll" or "Fame" are criteria, so a more accurate name would be "The of Hall."

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 11:06am


To paraphrase what I was trying to say is that the more you try to over-analyze this, the more of an arbitrary mess you realize the entire enterprise turns into.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 11:14am


Now, to add to my prior post, the main controversy which results in "what's rock and what's not" generally speaking involves music that was around prior to the beginning of the rock era versus music that developed after the initial beginnings of the rock era (this is the reason why some people attack rap's merits in a rock and roll institution).

To put this in plain English, I give you the genres usually excepted as "not being rock and roll"

Blues, Country, Jazz, Classical, Folk, Gospel.

Notice a common theme with all of the above?

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Now, the styles almost universally accepted as "rock and roll" are all of the following main styles:

Doo wop, Rockabilly, Early Rock & Roll, R&B, Soul, Motown, Funk, British Invasion, Surf rock, Garage rock/Proto-punk, Psychedelic rock, Reggae (different beginnings, but intertwined enough to be accepted as a form of rock), Southern rock, Swamp rock, Hard rock, Experimental rock, Krautrock, Electronic rock, Progressive rock, Heavy metal (and all its offshoots), Soft rock, Disco (though controversially so), Punk, Psychobilly, Ska, Post-Punk, New Wave, Synthpop, Alternative, Industrial, Shoe-gaze, Roots-rock, Hair Metal, Lo-fi, Grunge, Britpop, Post-Grunge, Nu-Metal, Indie.
And all the "neo" movements (neo-psychedelia, Post-punk revival, etc) as well as all the crossovers (folk-rock, blues-rock, jazz fusion, country rock, etc)

Looking over this list, you can see how silly ignoring rap becomes.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 11:57am


THey all predate Rock?

Also you forgot techno/EDM, that has nothing to do wtih rock and roll.

ALso I disagree with some of those genres, why is rock this massive umbrella genre under which everything must exist? I always thought the popular music hall of fame would be a better idea for a name.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 12:31pm


An alphabetical list of influences I'll be considering:

Amos Milburn
Charles Mingus
Charlie Parker
Conway Twitty
Dizzy Gillespie
Eddy Arnold
Irving Berlin
Loretta Lynn
Sarah Vaughn
Tammy Wynette
Thelonious Monk
Tony Bennet

......and if it's his only way of entry, Garth Brooks. Begrudgingly.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 16:11pm


If there really are a block of voters who feel Garth Brooks is a better influence inductee than a performer, I can accept it, but we certainly have to have a discussion on what constitutes an "Influence" inductee as opposed to a "Performer".

With that being said Paul, he got 6 votes last time, so maybe his candidacy isnt as dead in the water as you think.

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 16:16pm


"I'll be voting for Karlheinz Stockhausen and Jacques Brel as my two influences. I'm almost 100% sure." -Tahvo

I've voted for that duo several times and might just do it again.

Also, seeing comments from Tahvo and BSLO in support of Bauhaus has me really thinking about moving my immediate support from the Fall back to Bauhaus, who I've voted for several times in the past. I love the Fall and would like to see them inducted, but Bauhaus is a bigger priority to me if there's support there.

Also Tahvo, nice to see Tindersticks in your queue.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 17:25pm


I might wind up considering Cluster but I'm not sure how support they will get. I'd say they're worth considering since they are very influential on electronic music, ambient music, house, and techno. They're probably just as influential as Kraftwerk, Can, & Neu!.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 05:20am


Greg, I like that you're playing on advanced level. Damn.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 06:03am


Now, to add to my prior post, the main controversy which results in "what's rock and what's not" generally speaking involves music that was around prior to the beginning of the rock era versus music that developed after the initial beginnings of the rock era (this is the reason why some people attack rap's merits in a rock and roll institution).

To put this in plain English, I give you the genres usually excepted as "not being rock and roll"

Blues, Country, Jazz, Classical, Folk, Gospel.

Notice a common theme with all of the above?

--------

Now, the styles almost universally accepted as "rock and roll" are all of the following main styles:

Doo wop, Rockabilly, Early Rock & Roll, R&B, Soul, Motown, Funk, British Invasion, Surf rock, Garage rock/Proto-punk, Psychedelic rock, Reggae (different beginnings, but intertwined enough to be accepted as a form of rock), Southern rock, Swamp rock, Hard rock, Experimental rock, Krautrock, Electronic rock, Progressive rock, Heavy metal (and all its offshoots), Soft rock, Disco (though controversially so), Punk, Psychobilly, Ska, Post-Punk, New Wave, Synthpop, Alternative, Industrial, Shoe-gaze, Roots-rock, Hair Metal, Lo-fi, Grunge, Britpop, Post-Grunge, Nu-Metal, Indie.
And all the "neo" movements (neo-psychedelia, Post-punk revival, etc) as well as all the crossovers (folk-rock, blues-rock, jazz fusion, country rock, etc)

Looking over this list, you can see how silly ignoring rap becomes.


Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.13.11 @ 11:57am
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It's a nice compendium of genres, but a lot of what you have listed really doesn't need to exist. They can easily be folded into another grouping. It is possible to pare it down rather easily.

early rock & roll? Isn't rockabilly & 50's R&B (specifically jump blues) just that? No need for the term.

Motown is pretty much black pop/soul from the 60's.

Southern rock/Swamp rock - just a matter of geography, & the fact that New Orleans spread a slightly diff. version of the country/blues influence. Memphis - more soul / Orleans - more rockabilly(esque).

Fold Experimental & Progressive into each other - you've got overlap here.

Lo-Fi/Grunge - Same Deal

Krautrock - A mixture of mechanized electronic/industrial w/ American head music/Psych.

Hair Metal = 80's guitar pop.

Try this out: Rockabilly, Doo-Wop, Jump Blues, Soul, Funk, British Invasion, surf rock, folk rock, psychedelic, progressive, heavy metal, Southern rock/Country rock, Disco, Punk, Ska, Hardcore, New Wave (parts 1 - guitar 78-83; part 2 - synthesizer 81-86?), Shoegaze, Grunge, Britpop, Nu-Metal, Emo (for what it's worth), Indie.

Much more simplified.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 06:10am


I'm actually surprised that Neu! hasn't received more support in Projected considering how well they did in the Album Project, but if there were any Krautrock bands I'd be willing to bypass them for it would be Cluster or Popol Vuh.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 06:23am


I'm not very familar with Cluster or Popol Vuh. I brought up Cluster after I read a little a bit about on Wiki. And as for Popol Vuh I don't anything about them either. I'll probably like them since I like Can.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 18:54pm


Anyone wanna support Estelle Axton as a non-performer. She did co-found Stax records with her brother Jim Stewart. (STewart/AXton = Stax)

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 12.21.11 @ 15:48pm


I would support Estelle Axton. Another name for a non-performer I want bring up is Neil Bogart the founder of Casablanca Records.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 12.21.11 @ 17:41pm


Merry Christmas. I love and respect all of you for your passion for music. We're a strange breed, we dig a little deeper than most, we bicker over details that most wouldn't know or care about, we disagree a lot, but we're all right when we make a case for something that changed our world and the way that we hear it. And that's what music does.

Cheers and best wishes to all of you.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.25.11 @ 05:28am


Alright, so here are the proposed groupings for the next step in the Rock Rankings project. Basically, if an artist began their career after 1955, I considered them Rock Era influences. Doo wop groups that started in the early 50's seem to fit the Rock Era mold, especially since some of their members later ended up as Cleveland Hall inductees. Electric bluesmen (Lightnin' Hopkins, Howlin' Wolf, etc.) seem obviously part of the rock era. John Coltrane/Miles Davis both put out their most important work in the rock era and influenced it greatly.

Anyway, take a look at the list and suggest any changes.

Pre-Rock Influences:

Hank Williams
Jimmie Rodgers
Les Paul
Louis Jordan
Robert Johnson
T-Bone Walker
Jimmy Yancey
Woody Guthrie
Django Reinhardt
Lead Belly
Louis Armstrong
Frank Sinatra
Bill Monroe
Bessie Smith
Willie Dixon
Billie Holliday
Charlie Christian
The Weavers
Mahalia Jackson
Professor Longhair
Big Mama Thornton
Elmore James
Ma Rainey
Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys
The Soul Stirrers
Carter Family
Nat "King" Cole
Ella Fitzgerald
Wynonie Harris
Cab Calloway
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Dinah Washington
Roy Brown
Ink Spots
The Ravens
The Orioles
Duke Ellington
Sonny Boy Williamson II
Blind Lemon Jefferson
Charles Brown
Jelly Roll Morton
Four Freshmen
Mississippi John Hurt
Mills Brothers
Eddie Lang
Scott Joplin
W.C. Handy
Bing Crosby


Rock-Era Influences:

Howlin' Wolf
Muddy Waters
Big Joe Turner
John Lee Hooker
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Jimmy Reed
Patsy Cline
Little Willie John
Bobby "Blue" Bland
Nina Simone
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
Buddy Guy
Albert King
The "5" Royales
Kingston Trio
Ravi Shankar
Willie Nelson
Joan Baez
Herbie Hancock
Waylon Jennings
The Dominoes
Esther Phillips
Freddie King
The Crew-Cuts
Fela Kuti
The Clovers
Chuck Willis
Dolly Parton
Johnny Ace
Merle Haggard
Gil Scott-Heron
Lightnin' Hopkins
Buchanan & Goodman
George Jones
Emmylou Harris

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 02.2.12 @ 23:11pm


I just had a thought... what about thomas edison? this guys amazingly important, he invented the gramaphone! without him we probably wouldn't be talking about this now.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 02.20.12 @ 15:57pm


Ok Edison is definitely worth consideration. Also, if we haven't inducted Leon Theremin we should consider him too in the next round.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 02.21.12 @ 22:28pm


also, will we ever get Neu! in?

we only have one song from the shirelles and they're in, but we induct neu's entire catalogue and no love!

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 02.29.12 @ 16:01pm


I'll plan on voting for Neu! in the next voting cycle. I'm also looking into possibly voting for Poco, Blue Oyster Cult, KMFDM, Wanda Jackson, Carole King, Carly Simon, Blood, Sweat, & Tears, and Joe Cocker. Is there any support for any of these artists?

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 01:32am


I'll support Neu!, I've just been waiting for some support to line up. I also plan to continue support for Nick Cave and the Fall and I think Bauhaus has waited long enough, so I'll be supporting them until they get in. I'm also saving one spot for an older act that's been overlooked. I've seen a few Brit Invasion names thrown out that I'm considering.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 01:48am


And Bad Brains. They're another band that's well overdue that I'll be supporting.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 01:53am


I may support Nick Cave and The Fall. I'm not familiar with Bauhaus. I would like to see support for Poco. We have Eagles in but not Poco. We can't have Eagles in without Poco. Eagles took what Poco had and had success with it. If that doesn't make a case for Poco I don't know what will.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 02:02am


I believe we have British Invasion well covered. We should consider moving on to getting in more New Wave, Electro, Industrial, Punk, Country Rock, Jazz Rock, and Singer-Songwriters in.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 02:07am


As far as Industrial/Electro goes I'm all about Suicide, Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire as important pioneering acts and I'd be supportive of Skinny Puppy, KMFDM and Ministry as important second wave Industrial acts (bearing in mind that NIN is the only Industrial act that we've inducted). Tubeway Army/Gary Numan or the Human League would also be solid picks for Synthpop/New Wave

Punk acts that I'd be most excited about would be Bad Brains, Richard Hell & the Voidoids and the Slits (who, as I mentioned yesterday in the Black Flag thread, I think are a far superior pick to the Runaways by almost any criteria). I'd also be supportive of the Damned, Misfits and Minor Threat, but less excited about them than the other three I mentioned.

Wire, Gang of Four and Siouxsie & the Banshees are three acts who straddled the line between Punk and Post-punk that I could get behind.

I think we're plenty due for some more Reggae/Ska. The Specials, Desmond Dekker, Peter Tosh and the(English)Beat would be my most likely picks.

As far as Country Rock, that's not really an area of expertise for me beyond what we've already inducted, so I'll just have to hear some suggestions and do some research.

As far as Jazz rock goes, I think that Mahavishnu Orchestra would be a good consideration and I'd be willing to entertain other suggestions (again, not my strongest area).

And however you want to categorize them, I think Hawkwind is a band worthy of consideration.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 02:32am


I know they're not British and thus not part of the British invasion but I think The Turtles deserve serious consideration. I think they're just as worthy as something like The Lovin' Spoonful for instance. Plus a quick glance of the site's new 'Songs that shaped rock' column shows that they have two entries (It Aint Me Babe and Happy Together).

Of those mentioned I will consider voting for Carole King, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Neu, Joe Cocker and Carly Simon. Wanda Jackson will definitely have my vote.


Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 05:06am


For Industrial/Electro I would go with either KMFDM or Skinny Puppy. I'll have to look into the early Industrial/Electro bands before I can come to a conclusion on them.
For punk I would go with Bad Brains, Gang of Four, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Richard Hell & the Voidoids, or Minor Threat.
For New Wave I would go with Gary Numan/Tubeway Army or Human League.
For Country Rock I would go with Poco, Lucinda Williams or Ryan Adams.
For Jazz Rock I could go for Mahavishnu Orchestra or Blood, Sweat, & Tears (if you consider them Jazz Rock)
For Reggae/Ska I could go for Peter Tosh, The Specials, The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, or Madness.
For Singer-Songwriters I would go for Carole King or Carly Simon.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 05:15am


Lucinda Williams. Hadn't thought about her. Good call.

Also, as far as 90's Electronic acts I'd be very much supportive of Aphex Twin or the Chemical Brothers. I also have a soft spot for Tricky, and I think there's a case to be made for him, but he's already in as a member of Massive Attack, so that one isn't too pressing to me.

And we haven't inducted Wanda Jackson yet? That needs to be fixed ASAP (Performer, not Influence).

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 05:33am


Another giant of 90s electronica that I'd support would be Roni Size. He was to Jungle/Drum & Bass what Massive Attack was to Trip Hop, and Drum & Bass was arguably a bigger sub-genre than Trip Hop. (And anyone who says that a guy standing on stage with a laptop can't rock has never seen Roni Size live. He rocked harder than most traditional guitar-bass-drum bands that I've seen.)

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 05:48am


I'm going to need to do some more research on electronica. As far as 90's electro I know about The Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, and Moby. Beyond that I don't know much.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 06:01am


Yeah, Moby is inexplicably overdue and Fatboy Slim is more than worthy, as well.

Moby and the Chemical Brothers should really be the top priorities in 90s electronica. Both should be in by now.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 06:06am


I'm liking the suggestions on here so far. As far as my ballot next round I'll be saving spots for Wanda Jackson (as a Performer, not Influence), Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, the Spencer Davis Group and Neu! for sure, and I'm strongly considering Bauhaus, the Specials and Poco at this point as well.

For influence I'll probably vote for Karlheinz Stockhausen and Jacques Brel.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 06:19am


Actually, I just saw a yes vote cast for Steve Earle, which reminds me I'll probably strongly consider him as well (Performer, not influence).

Not sure who I'll vote for in the N-P and sideman categories yet.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 06:24am


For influence I'll probably vote for Karlheinz Stockhausen and Jacques Brel.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 06:19am

Chalk up two votes for each if that's the case.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 06:54am


I shouldn't even have to say that I would vote Neu, Human League and Numan, you guys kno how much I love them.

I'll also support suicide and Carole King. I also intend on voting for Kanye West (he is elgibile, right?)

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 03.25.12 @ 09:10am


Adding to my list: Pulp, Suede, Manic Street Preachers and Happy Mondays are all Britpop/Madchester acts who had enough of an impact for me to support.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 21:41pm


What about Metal groups? I feel that Pantera, Korn and System of Down would all be worthy. These are the only groups remaining I see worthy until Mastodon.

Also what about first year artists? LCD Soundsystem and Justin Timberlake seem like the only real contenders.

Lastly, the year after (2029) is a huge year for first year inductees. Animal Collective, Arcade Fire, Beyonce and Kanye West are all eligible as 2004 was a great year for new artists. So acts that don't get inducted in 2028 may have to wait until 2030.

For Non-Performers, how about Norman Petty?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Petty

He was Buddy Holly's recording engineer and first producer and manager.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 22:27pm


Even though I'm only a casual fan of Metal, and not super well versed in 90s/00s bands, I do agree that it's a neglected genre. Rammstein is another Metal band that I'd be supportive of.

As far as newly eligibles, I've been mulling over LCD Soundsystem and the Black Keys, but haven't decided yet if I'll go for either right away (if I do, LCD would be most likely).

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 22:36pm


I forgot about The Black Keys, definitely worthy of induction at some point and consideration in their first year of eligibly.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 22:41pm


I will definitely be voting for Pantera in the next cycle.

With us now voting for bands just 10 years after their first release, it would take a lot for me to vote for a first-year artist. I will consider Kanye West next time around, but as much as I like some of the others mentioned, I can't justify them jumping the queue over so many other deserving alternative artists.

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 22:53pm


I think that Belle & Sebastian may end up getting the spot on my ballot that I was considering for a newly eligible.

Like I mentioned, I think that my ballot this round will be even more punk/post-punk heavy than usual with Bad Brains, the Fall, Bauhaus and Nick Cave pretty much being locks for me. I know there's a push for B&S and, while I'm supportive of their induction, there's no way I could justify voting for them ahead of any of those four, but they've been waiting around log enough that I wouldn't have any guilt about voting for them over a newly eligible. Still got plenty of time to figure it out, though.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 23:04pm


BSLO: That is obviously a difference in opinion. I personally see those 4 groups in 2029 as some of the biggest acts of 2000's (along with The White Stripes and Coldplay). I feel they did in 10 years what many groups that we inducted earlier did in 25 years.

Also what does anybody thing about the some of our already inducted in groups solo acts?

Ozzy Osbourne, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed?

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 23:26pm


Darin: You mentioned more Britpop getting in. Just curious: Are you familiar with The Auteurs?

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 03.28.12 @ 03:56am


Sam - I'm familiar with them, but haven't heard much of their stuff. Recommended?

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 03.28.12 @ 04:06am


As far as influences go, how about Irving Berlin?


Belle & Sebastian, LCD Soundsystem, and Pantera have my votes. That's decided.

I have seriously been considering Kanye West, and I am willing to give Neu!, Bad Brains, Happy Mondays, or Siouxsie & the Banshees, a go, but I don't know yet.

I'd really like to push in a big 90's pop artist other than Whitney (you guys know I'm pushing for more pop in The Song Project too). Would you guys consider Mariah Carey to be a worthy induction?

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Wednesday, 03.28.12 @ 11:06am


I also am considering Korn, System of a Down, and Pat Benatar, but other than the three I've committed to in the last comment, my remaining four spots are flexible at the moment.

Posted by Paul Kagebein on Wednesday, 03.28.12 @ 11:09am


I'm committed to trying to help the alternative crowd this time, so I'll say right now that in addition to Pantera, No Doubt and Wanda Jackson, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds and Bauhaus definitely have my vote.

My last 2 are wide-open, but I'd like to support at least one classic rock-type band. Right now I'm leaning toward either the Spencer Davis Group or Blood, Sweat & Tears, since they seem to have a bit of support with other users. The other spot will probably go to another alt-artist. I'll be willing to help a popular choice get over the top if needed.

In terms of other artists that have been mentioned, Lou Reed is close to being on my ballot, Ozzy, Korn and System of a Down will have my support once Pantera gets in and I'd consider voting for Mariah Carey in the future (I'd rather see her get in over Beyonce getting in immediately).

Iggy Pop is further down my queue, but on my radar. I'll see about trying to fit a punk band on my ballot this time around but I don't think I'll have room. I've been voting for The Offspring for awhile now but I might give them a break this time around. I'd rather see No Doubt and Pantera get in from the 90's first.

I'm an enormous fan of Pat Benatar (I saw her live 4 years ago and it's one of the best performances I've seen). Objectively speaking though, I'd rather see some other genres get some love before I consider her.

I'll consider the Britpop and elctronica artists mentioned for my final spot as well.

Gassman - It's not that I don't think Kanye West, Beyonce, Arcade Fire and Animal Collective are worthy, but aside from Kanye, I don't consider these bands to be in the top group of the decade.

I consider that top group to be Radiohead, the White Stripes, Coldplay, Outkast, Kanye West, Eminem, Green Day, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, U2, Jay-Z and maybe System of a Down (who are next in my metal queue). Beyonce is pretty close, but I don't really consider her to be that much more worthy than someone like Mariah Carey, who we haven't even touched on yet.

With regards to the other 2 (and LCD Soundsystem), I won't pretend to be an expert on indie rock, but based on the research I've done, it seems like Belle & Sebastian, Modest Mouse and Elliott Smith are more pressing snubs from the genre. That said, I'm not an expert on the genre, so if you can convince me otherwise, I'm willing to listen.

When it comes to rock from the 2000's in general, I'd probably put Animal Collective and Arcade Fire behind Queens of the Stone Age and The Strokes as well.

Posted by BSLO on Wednesday, 03.28.12 @ 11:34am


Right now I have decided on Neu!, Wanda Jackson, and Belle & Sebastian as definites for next round. For one slot I want to vote for an industrial act (Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, Ministry or KMFDM), a country rock act (Poco, Steve Earle, Lucinda Williams, or Ryan Adams), an electrona act (Moby, The Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, or Daft Punk), & a ska act (Madness, The Specials, or The Mighty Mighty Bosstones).

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 03.29.12 @ 02:53am


As mentioned before, I'm firmly committed to Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, the Commodores, Tommy James and the Shondells, George Michael and the Specials for our next go-round. That only leaves me two slots to fit in some of the areas being bandied about, plus a few areas not being mentioned:

- Industrial: If I vote for anyone in this area, it's going to be Throbbing Gristle, as I've added them on previous ballots. Ministry is a distant second.
- Electronica: Aphex Twin is my highest priority, even if Moby, the Chemical Brothers and Fatboy Slim have more support. Another band rarely bandied about that I'm now considering is the Art of Noise from the 1980s. They had a interesting body of work, and I'd be interested in supporting a push for them as an artist (or, possibly, considering Trevor Horn, who was a co-writer on their early work, as a Non-Performer).
- Alternative: Belle and Sebastian and the Jesus and Mary Chain are battling it out for my interest in this area. LCD Soundsystem are somewhere further down the pike in my mind.
- Female Artists: No interest in joining in on a push for Mariah Carey; if I vote for a 90's R&B artist, it would most likely be Mary J. Blige. I've voted for the Shangri-Las in the past, and have considered Dionne Warwick and the Fugees/Lauryn Hill, so all of them have potential on my ballot.
- Hip-Hop: This may be the first year I don't have a hip-hop act on my ballot, as I'm torn between some of the acts not yet inducted. I'll join in on any concerted effort to get Tribe Called Quest, Snoop Dogg, De La Soul or the Sugarhill Gang in; but, on my own, I'm too torn between choices to really commit right now.
- 80's Rock: I'm surprised that Squeeze hasn't made any traction here. I'd consider them as a contender; but my vote in this area is largely confined to getting George Michael in.

Right now, I'm looking at Sylvia Robinson and Lee Hazelwood for Non-Performers; Stan Freburg and the Last Poets under Influences; and, for the moment, just Carlos Alomar as a Sideman (the man created the riffs for Bowie's "Fame" and "Golden Years," among other work. For that alone, I think he deserves to get in).

That's where my mind is right now. Next year, my vote will most likely be centered on Beyonce, Kanye and (if we can induct George Michael) solo Justin Timberlake, so my next ballot is even tighter in terms of who I'm looking at.

Posted by Ian on Saturday, 03.31.12 @ 13:33pm


"Sam - I'm familiar with them, but haven't heard much of their stuff. Recommended?" - Darin

Sorry, missed that. Their debut album New Wave I'm so far thinking is overhyped by some critics, but I've only given it one listen so far. Perhaps my expectations were too high given that it came within one vote of beating Suede for the Mercury Prize, when it's so far not as good as that or Modern Life Is Rubbish; however, I do kind of enjoy the single Showgirl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x48V-baPYE8) so I reckon it could grow on me. It's cited by some as being a starting point for Britpop, so if you're into The Beatles, The Kinks and The Smiths you might like it. I might try their second album Now I'm A Cowboy before I go back to New Wave though.

My thoughts:

-Britpop: I agree with you here, Darin. Once you have Suede and Pulp in I think it's properly represented. Count me in for Happy Mondays as well, but I don't really see them as Britpop: They certainly were somewhat of an influence on it but they pre-dated it and were coming from a different musical direction than any of the main players. Similar to The Smiths and The Stone Roses: Played an important role in paving the way for it but not actually part of it (albeit not as influential as those two). I'm not too familiar with Manic Street Preachers except for Suicide Alley, so I'll check them out and explore their worthiness. Which album should I start with?

-Electronica: Chemical Brothers, definitely.

-Alternative/Indie: I agree with Ian on The Jesus & Mary Chain. We eventually got MBV and the Roses, so how did we miss these guys, who were arguably as important? The Specials as well

-Industrial: Suicide, definitely. I'm not a fan but it shouldn't have taken this long. How's about Killing Joke as well? Their debut was pretty cool and groundbreaking stuff, and is often name-dropped. I'll get back to you on Throbbing Gristle.

-Hip-hop: Boogie Down Productions are my number one snub here

-Metal: Make that another vote for Pantera and probably Anthrax, but the latter I won't get to right away

Posted by Sam on Monday, 04.2.12 @ 19:14pm


To reiterate the point, Belle & Sebastian has the support to get in with ease. We had our preferred list going around of candidates we are willing to support and Belle & Sebastian was certainly near the top. It's just that when the voting came around, nobody bothered to give them a slot. I think some voters are a little afraid that they're throwing their votes away on certain indie acts, but a group like Belle & Sebastian clearly has a huge chunk of the voting body in support and are actually capable of being inducted, if not outright LEADING the field altogether.

I'm in agreement with BSLO about Modest Mouse and Elliott Smith being two more of the biggest indie snubs, and certainly more so than acts like The Strokes, Arcade Fire or LCD Soundsystem. There's also obvious classic 70s/80s indie choices such as Wire that are pretty glaring omissions in their own right.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 04.3.12 @ 22:09pm


With the recent talk going on about who should be inducted once we get back to the Rock Hall Project, along with who will fellow posters vote for: I suppose I should chime in. Now, I am aware that my ideas for whom should be inducted in the two years we have been doing these Projects are not similar to the majority of my fellow posters. This is likely due to my preferred rock genre being art rock, or prog to its detractors. Yet, despite my age, I am quite familiar with other artists and styles.

In any rate, here are some artists and bands that I would consider for the Projected Class of 2028 and beyond (the infinite). I have categorised these artists and bands into different subgenres and classifications both established and unique.

Adult Alternative: A subgenre from the past 30 or so years that at its best is either innovative non-mainstream gems or at its worst white guys with acoustic guitar contentment. And even that is okay for me. Now, for me the #1 priority for induction would be Dave Matthews. It would certainly please my brothers who are huge fans of Dave Matthews (I like him yet I am not a hardcore DMB fan). Sheryl Crow is also right up there, and I am stunned we have not seriously considered here as of yet. I am also open to including Neneh Cherry, Jamiriquai, Marroon 5, Semisonic, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and even David Gray. Again, the realm of Adult Alternative means different things to different people. Some feedback would be welcomed.

Hip-Hop/R&B: At the top of my list would be Mary J. Blige, easily one of the greatest singers and entertainers out there today. Mariah Carey is also someone I could vouch for. I think De La Soul should be considered without significant doubts. Also on my quere include Nas, A Tribe Called Quest, Snoop Dogg and Ludacris on the Hip-Hop front. On the R&B front, Luther Vandross, Lionel Richie, Faith Evans, Lauryn Hill and The Chi-Lites are on my quere. Heck, I will even throw in Simply Red as a wild card.

Industrial: Rammstein and Ministry should be considered and be inducted quite soon. I also think Throbbing Gristle would be a wise left-field choice. So too would Skinny Puppy be of interest.

Jazz fusion: The one act that should be in representing Jazz Fusion without question is Weather Report. Clearly one of the most innovative instrumental bands to have ever existed. There is not much else to consider.

Punk: Bad Brains, Richard Hell, Glenn Danzig, The Slits, Bikini Kill, Gang Of Four and Fugazi are my most immediate considerations in punk. I will say that since punk is the one subgenre that has the most amount of artists, these artists I listed are but a few I am considering at the moment.

Country Rock: I agree with the consensus building for Steve Earle. I would also include Poco, Lucinda Williams and perhaps even Dan Fogelberg. Do not laugh at the Fogelberg idea; there was some valid worth in his albums.

Electronica: The Chemical Brothers are obvious choices. So too is Moby, Aphex Twin, and if we are to go further back, Jean Michel Jarre.

Alternative: Belle and Sebastien, obviously. Also quite obvious for me would include The Jesus and Mary Chain, Sarah McLachlan, Marillion (more alternative than art rock, IMO), Gin Blossoms, Meat Puppets and even Slipknot. Wire is also on my list. Once again, Alternative all depends on what one thinks is alternative. Feedback is more than welcome.

Metal: I will join others in seeking Pantera for an eventual induction. I also include Anthrax, though not as immediate for me.

80's pop: I am okay with considering George Michael, as he is a very talented and innovative singer-songwriter. I think Pat Benatar is worthy of induction. I also consider Phil Collins on his own accord within this subgenre. THere are others, though I have gone on quite a bit. There is one more subgenre to discuss, however.

Art Rock: we need more Art rock. Last year, I had on my ballot Alan Parsons and Eric Woolfson, The Alan Parsons Project. I intend to have Parsons and Woolfson on my ballot again this 2028 Class. Also to be considered down the road: Kansas, Gentle Giant, Peter Hamill, 10cc, Be Bop Deluxe, Focus, The Move, Supertramp, Dream Theater, amongst others.

Well, there you are then. If this is problematic, let me know. I will have more to discuss later on.

Be safe and enjoy your holiday with loved ones,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Thursday, 04.5.12 @ 22:23pm


Happy Passover and Easter to aal who observe and celebrate!

I suppose now might be a good time for me to show fellow posters what my ballot for the Projected Class of 2028 might look like once this project recommences in September. Contrary to some opinions, my ballot does not entirely consist of artists that I have personal preference over. indeed, some are based on the trends and ideas presented by other like-minded posters.

Belle and Sebastien
Wanda Jackson
Ozzy Osbourne
Wire
Peter Tosh
Neu!
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project

Non-Performers

Sylvia Robinson
Hipgnosis

Influences

Karlheinz Stockhausen
Bill Withers

Sidemen

Wayne Shorter
Nathan East

Now, this is subject to change during the course of the voting. I have usually tended to get an indication of how fellow posters are choosing for induction, and thus retool and refine my ideas. It will be slightly easier if the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project had inductions every 4 or so months as opposed to one per year. I see the reasoning for one per year; yet maybe it could be changed.

In any respect, let me know when the time is available what you all think about this potential ballot. Perhaps a primary compendium of ballots can be drawn up for reference and trend forcasting.

Once again, Happy Passover and Easter!,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Saturday, 04.7.12 @ 20:22pm


I think Bill Withers would be a better fit in the performer category.

Anyway my ballet will likely look like this.

Performer:

Wanda Jackson
Belle & Sebastian
Neu!
Poco
Throbbing Gristle
The Specials

Non-Performer:

Norman Petty
Richard Perry

Influence:

Johnnie Ray
Karlheinz Stockhausen

Sidemen:

Cornell Dupree
Bob Babbitt

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 04.16.12 @ 15:36pm


When does voting start?

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 04.19.12 @ 18:21pm


Voting will start once the nominees for the real hall of fame are announced in September.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 04.19.12 @ 18:36pm


yo, anyone feel like making a skype chat? just got the idea out of the blue.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 04.21.12 @ 18:29pm


I'm pro Wanda Jackson as a performer. I think we should all work on getting her inducted via the main route rather than the Influences category.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 04.22.12 @ 21:58pm


One pattern I've noticed is that the Hall of Fame tends to induct at least one "classic rock" musician each year. Do some research on the classes, and you'll notice that they've done so every year since 1988. At least they've shown some respect for the "rock revolution".

Posted by Lucario on Sunday, 04.22.12 @ 23:43pm


Gonna bring up three incredibly important people in the realms of music.

Thomas Edison

Simply put, this guy is the most important non performer in history. He invented the record player and was the biggest pioneer of sound recording. Without him, none of us would be here.

Fritz Pfleumer - The inventor of Magnetic Tape, the standard for sound recording in studios until digital came along, as well as making the cassette possible.

Jimmy Saville - Not as important as the other two but still hugely important. He is the first recognized DJ in the world, he started the trend of playing records in a club in 1943He was a DJ on Radio Luxembourg, which was one of the few sources for rock'n'roll in 50's and early 60's Britain before the advent of pirate radio and, in 1967, Radio 1, which Saville was also a DJ on. His show Jimmy Savile's Old Record Club was the only program n which old top 10's were played. He was also the face of Top Of The pops, the longest running and most important music show in Britain which ran from 1964 till 2006, he presented it for the first 20 years of its existence and was also present at the last version.

I think all three should be inducted, tell me what you think.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 05.17.12 @ 13:41pm


I'm going to agree with you, GFW. Since my Non-Performers are still up in air, I might just go for two of the three. Have you thought about nominating them in the blind ballot Hall?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 05.17.12 @ 15:12pm


I only thought to do it now, I think it's too late.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 05.17.12 @ 16:11pm


Well there's always next round.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 05.17.12 @ 16:26pm


What does everybody here think about Fanny?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_(band)

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Thursday, 05.17.12 @ 20:15pm


Rock and Roll Hall of Fame voting is a joke. Someone please tell me how Chicago is not in the Hall of Fame. Take a look at the list of who's in. I can't tell you how many don't belong and how many others should be in the line behind them. Will never go there until Chicago is in. How about Rush??

Posted by Swede on Saturday, 06.9.12 @ 23:54pm


Since we are heading into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2028 in the next few weeks, if not sooner; I would suggest we get an idea of whom will be inducted in a fashion similar to last year. That is to say, we list which Performers, Non-Performers, Influenes and/or Sidemen are on our quere for 2028. Then, we can total up the amount of votes see who is in frontrunner status. Something to consider while waiting for the next induction cycle in the crown jewel of the website.

Happy to answer quetions and concerns,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Thursday, 06.21.12 @ 21:40pm


When are we doing our revision of our top artists list?

also i'll give you some info on who i'm supporting: Like i did in the email rnrhof i'll be pushing Thomas Edison, Jimmy Saville and Fritz Pfleumer.

As far as artists it'll be more of the usual, Human League, Gary Numan and Neu! And for new artists I'll more than likely support LCD Soundsystem.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 06.22.12 @ 11:16am


Lax29, I heard we won't be doing our annual voting until September starts OR when the nominee list is revealed. I prefer the former since it will allow us to vote without being affected by the latest Cleveland list.

I do agree with your idea though and was planning to do it this August, but we could get started now. Unlike last time, however, you won't be adding your name to artists you WOULD support. Rather, it will be to artists you WILL support which means the list should be fairly small and nobody can list themselves to more than seven names. You can move your support around, however, just no attaching your username to more than 7 performers or 2 names in the other categories.


I'll get it started.

Performers:


Belle & Sebastian - Casper
Neu! - Casper
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Casper
Suicide - Casper


Influences:

Wanda Jackson - Casper (she still seems to fit this category better than Performer in my eyes. Most of her career spans outside the realm of rock, so I see her influencing rock from the outside in the same way that somebody like Fela Kuti managed to do)

Posted by Casper on Friday, 06.22.12 @ 14:57pm


Well, a week has passed. Besides Casper, no one else has taken up my offer of getting an idea for who will be induted in the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2028. I suppose we can now add myself to the list of whom I will l ikely support for 2028. Listed herein is my likely ballot to be posted in September or thereabouts. You have my assurance that this does not solely rely on personal preferences.

Performers

Belle and Sebastien
Wanda Jackson
Peter Tosh
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
Muse
Lou Reed
Pat Benatar

Non-Performers

Hipgnosis
Godley and Creme

Influences

Bill Withers
Sun Ra

Sidemen

Wayne Shorter
Pino Palladino

It is somewhat similar to what I posited in April. Though there are a few changes here and there. In any matter, this is what I am putting on my ballot now. I doubt it will change in the next three months. Let me know what you think of this preliminary ballot.

Guess the connection between the two Non-Performing entities,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Saturday, 06.30.12 @ 22:22pm


If it's about who I WILL DEFINITELY vote for:

-Suicide
-The Chemical Brothers

Non-performer:

Stephen Street, I guess

Early Influence:

Wanda Jackson

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 07.12.12 @ 18:42pm


There are two artists that I'm really gunning for this election and they are Bad Brains and Wanda Jackson.

Bad Brains are considered pioneers of hardcore punk, whom were innovative in their melding of other genres, such as reggae, funk, heavy metal, soul, & even some hip hop. They played faster and more emphatically than their peers and featured more complex rhythms than the casual hardcore band. Beastie Boys, Minor Threat, and Henry Rollins of Black Flag have all cited Bad Brains as a major influence. They were also the first all African-American punk band. Based on innovation and influence, Bad Brains seems like a must.

Wanda Jackson is considered the Queen or First Lady of Rockabilly. The King of Rockabilly? Carl Perkins, an artist whom we inducted in the performer category. If Perkins is a performer, so should Jackson. True, her later career became more country and gospel, but her pioneering work came as a rock and roll artist, so it is as a performer where she should be inducted. That's my take on the argument anyway. It's been far too long for her not to get into our hall of fame. She's very deserving.

Those are the two artists that I'm definitely standing by. I'm going to need more time to consider other worthy artists. I'll be looking into which categories of rock I think has deserving artists still waiting on the outside, such as arena rock, heavy metal, R&B, etc. I'll probably be voting for the solo efforts of Ozzy Osbourne as well, as I feel that it is deserving on its own right. I think we've just hit the tip of the iceberg for punk artists. After Bad Brains, Minor Threat, the Damned, Misfits, the Sonics, and even the Offspring should all be included.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 07.16.12 @ 12:16pm


There are two artists that I'm really gunning for this election and they are Bad Brains and Wanda Jackson.

Bad Brains are considered pioneers of hardcore punk, whom were innovative in their melding of other genres, such as reggae, funk, heavy metal, soul, & even some hip hop. They played faster and more emphatically than their peers and featured more complex rhythms than the casual hardcore band. Beastie Boys, Minor Threat, and Henry Rollins of Black Flag have all cited Bad Brains as a major influence. They were also the first all African-American punk band. Based on innovation and influence, Bad Brains seems like a must.

Wanda Jackson is considered the Queen or First Lady of Rockabilly. The King of Rockabilly? Carl Perkins, an artist whom we inducted in the performer category. If Perkins is a performer, so should Jackson. True, her later career became more country and gospel, but her pioneering work came as a rock and roll artist, so it is as a performer where she should be inducted. That's my take on the argument anyway. It's been far too long for her not to get into our hall of fame. She's very deserving.

Those are the two artists that I'm definitely standing by. I'm going to need more time to consider other worthy artists. I'll be looking into which categories of rock I think has deserving artists still waiting on the outside, such as arena rock, heavy metal, R&B, etc. I'll probably be voting for the solo efforts of Ozzy Osbourne as well, as I feel that it is deserving on its own right. I think we've just hit the tip of the iceberg for punk artists. After Bad Brains, Minor Threat, the Damned, Misfits, the Sonics, and even the Offspring should all be included.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 07.16.12 @ 12:16pm


Whoops, Sorry for the double post.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 07.16.12 @ 12:16pm


I'll be voting for the Spencer Davis Group, Neu!, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Bauhaus and Wanda Jackson as Performers for sure.

That's already 5 out of 7, I still haven't decided the final two. For influences, I'm going with Jacques Brel and Karlheinz Stockhausen. As far as non-performers and sidemen go, I don't really have any pet projects in the air, I'll see what others think and try to help out.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 07.16.12 @ 13:06pm


I'll definitely be voting for Pantera, No Doubt, Wanda Jackson, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds and Bauhaus.

My last 2 spots are up in the air, but they will likely go to a classic rock band and a rap/R&B artist.

Posted by BSLO on Monday, 07.16.12 @ 15:24pm


Right now I have Bauhaus, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Suicide and Neu! as locks. Wanda Jackson, the Specials and Bad Brains are most likely to fill out my final three spots.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 07.16.12 @ 17:27pm


Nothing's ever certain for me anymore, but I'm considering quite a few names.

I feel in all of our interactive portions of our website that we've given the shaft to post 1980s R&B. Missy Elliot seems to be the only exception here, which confuses me to be honest. Of course, being a hall of fame act and having a hall of fame song are two different things, (sorry, Boyz II Men) so I don't think we need TOO many acts to flesh things out. So I'm giving a spot to an R&B act, but I'm unsure if I'll vote for TLC, R. Kelly or Mary J. Blige (although she's more hip-hop). I'd say Mary J. Blige has had the most influence and a fair amount of innovation, but I feel that R. Kelly has a stronger body of work and is much more of a musical talent. TLC, on the other hand, deserve credit for their fusion of R&B and hip hop, which has proven influential, but are hurt by the fact that there's not much work from them and didn't have a very long career (Although that ended up not really being a fault of their own). There's also Mariah Carey, but I think people here look at her more like a black Celine Dion than an R&B artist.

I'm giving my next spot to Garth Brooks. We've all had this argument. We've all made our points. I'm still standing behind him.

Next is the obligatory "classic rock" spot. IMO, we only need a few artists left. I'll probably go for Tommy James and the Shondells, but after that I'm hard pressed to find anyone else left. I've been going back and forth on The Guess Who and Grand Funk Railroad, especially since we inducted Steppenwolf, who I'm still not sold on.

Then I'm thinking about the Commodores. There's always been a groundswell of support for them, and I think there's a spot for them this year, especially since there's no way anyone would ever vote for Lionel Richie's solo career.

It looks like I'll finally get around to Pantera this year too, so I'm happy. I can't see us moving to modern metal (or modern hard rock, for that matter) without acknowledging them.

The 6th and 7th spots are more difficult for me, as there are three artists I'm considering. George Michael and the Offspring are my safe choices for this spot, as both have been very close to induction. But I've been listening to Steve Z's campaigning for Bad Brains and I can't help but throw him and a bone, not to mention I feel it would help the Offspring become a more concensus candidate. In other words, its a crapshoot at this point.

So at this point, my votes would look like:

R. Kelly/TLC/Mary J. Blige
Tommy James and The Shondells
Garth Brooks
The Commodores
Pantera
George Michael
The Offspring/Bad Brains

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 07.17.12 @ 03:31am


The Specials! How could I forget? They're likely my 6th spot then.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.17.12 @ 05:18am


I'm not sure yet. Neu! and Numan are obviously gonna get my vote, LCD Soundsystem is also likely. But after that I dunno.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 07.17.12 @ 14:13pm


Where we stand...



Performers:

Neu! - 4 (Casper, Tahvo, DarinRG, GFW)
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - 4 (Casper, Tahvo, BSLO, DarinRG)
Wanda Jackson - 4 (Lax29, Steve Z, Tahvo, BSLO)
Bauhaus - 3 (Tahvo, BSLO, DarinRG)
Belle & Sebastian - 2 (Casper, Lax29)
Lou Reed - 2 (Casper, Lax29)
Pantera - 2 (BSLO, Jim)
Suicide - 2 (Casper, DarinRG)

Peter Tosh - Lax29
The Alan Parsons Project - Lax29
Muse - Lax29
Pat Benatar - Lax29
Suede - Sam
The Chemical Brothers - Sam
Bad Brains - Steve Z
Spencer Davis Group - Tahvo
No Doubt - BSLO
Tommy James and the Shondells - Jim
Garth Brooks - Jim
The Commodores - Jim
George Michael - Jim
The Specials - Tahvo
Gary Numan - GFW
LCD Soundsystem - GFW



Non-Performers:

Hipgnosis - Lax29
Godley and Creme - Lax29
Stephen Street - Sam


Influences:

Wanda Jackson - 2 (Casper, Sam)
Bill Withers - Lax29
Sun Ra - Lax29
Jacques Brel - Tahvo
Karlheinz Stockhausen - Tahvo


Sidemen:

Wayne Shorter - Lax29
Pino Palladino - Lax29

Posted by Casper on Friday, 07.20.12 @ 04:57am


Ok, if we're going to do this:

Performers:

Belle and Sebastian
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
The Commodores
Tommy James and the Shondells
George Michael
The Specials
+ 1 TBD

Non-Performers:

Lee Hazlewood
Sylvia Robinson

Influences:

Jacques Brel
The Last Poets

Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar
& 1 TBD (maybe)

Posted by Ian on Friday, 07.20.12 @ 13:22pm


I think I'll vote for Philip Paul in the sidemen category. I vouched and managed to get him inducted in the Blind Ballot Hall of Fame so I'll try here too. Not decided on my second sideman.

And you can add my name to Sylvia Robinson for Non-Performer.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 07.20.12 @ 15:34pm


Keep in mind mine's just tentative; mine could look completely by the time I actually vote. In fact there are other people I'm seriously considering right now.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 07.22.12 @ 19:20pm


Ooh, for non performers add my name to Thomas Edison and Fritz Pfleumer!

Posted by GFW on Friday, 07.27.12 @ 07:40am


Sylvia Robbinson NEEDS to be inducted as a non performer. This women is one of the most important record producers in history for her work in disco and rap. Robinson is credited as the mother of modern hip-hop, and an important influence on the formation of disco.


1. founder/CEO of the hip hop label Sugar Hill Records as well as Bon Ami Records which both housed early influences for rap.

2. She is credited as the driving force behind two landmark singles in rap. The first was "Rapper's Delight" by the Sugarhill Gang, which was the first rap song to be released by a hip hop act, The second was "The Message" by Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five which is credited as the rap song that brought socially conscious lyrics into hip hop.

3. "Pillow Talk" has been called an early example of prototypical disco music and went on to sell two million copies. The vocals are replete with moaning and heavy breathing, predating Donna Summer's orgasmic moans on "Love to Love You Baby". The drumming rhythm would reappear in 1985 on Kate Bush's "Running Up that Hill", then again in 1987 on Fleetwood Mac's "Big Love".

4. She invented "sampling" which revolutionized the music industry


more important singles to her name: Love is strange,singing background on Ike & Tina Turner's hit single, "It's Gonna Work Out Fine".

Posted by Mikhail on Sunday, 08.5.12 @ 03:43am


Still thinking, but count me in for Suicide as well. I've been going back and forth, but this feels like one of those cases where the debut album alone is enough.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 08.14.12 @ 16:11pm


It's not elegant, but after reading the AV Club's Primer on Motown, I've decided to supplement my endorsement of The Commodores with a vote for Tammi Terrell as a Sideman. I can't see her limited body of work (tragically cut short as it was) getting her in as a Performer; but her duets with Marvin Gaye hold up enough for consideration in the other category.

Thoughts?

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 08.16.12 @ 18:55pm


Update on who voters are committing to...

Performers:

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - 5 (Casper, Tahvo, BSLO, DarinRG, Ian)

Neu! - 4 (Casper, Tahvo, DarinRG, GFW)
Wanda Jackson - 4 (Lax29, Steve Z, Tahvo, BSLO)

Bauhaus - 3 (Tahvo, BSLO, DarinRG)
Belle & Sebastian - 3 (Casper, Lax29, Ian)
Suicide - 3 (Casper, DarinRG, Sam)

The Commodores - 2 (Jim, Ian)
George Michael - 2 (Jim, Ian)
Lou Reed - 2 (Casper, Lax29)
Pantera - 2 (BSLO, Jim)
The Specials - 2 (Tahvo, Ian)
Tommy James and the Shondells - 2 (Jim, Ian)

Peter Tosh - Lax29
The Alan Parsons Project - Lax29
Muse - Lax29
Pat Benatar - Lax29
Suede - Sam
The Chemical Brothers - Sam
Bad Brains - Steve Z
Spencer Davis Group - Tahvo
No Doubt - BSLO
Garth Brooks - Jim
Gary Numan - GFW
LCD Soundsystem - GFW



Non-Performers:

Sylvia Robinson - 3 (Mikhail, Tahvo, Ian)

Fritz Pfleumer - GFW
Godley and Creme - Lax29
Hipgnosis - Lax29
Lee Hazlewood - Ian
Stephen Street - Sam
Thomas Edison - GFW



Influences:

Jacques Brel - 2 (Tahvo, Ian)
Wanda Jackson - 2 (Casper, Sam)

Bill Withers - Lax29
Karlheinz Stockhausen - Tahvo
The Last Poets - Ian
Sun Ra - Lax29




Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar - Ian
Phillip Paul - Tahvo
Pino Palladino - Lax29
Tammi Terrell - Ian
Wayne Shorter - Lax29

Posted by Casper on Friday, 08.24.12 @ 04:52am


Influences:

Jacques Brel - 2 (Tahvo, Ian)
Wanda Jackson - 2 (Casper, Sam)

Bill Withers - Lax29
Karlheinz Stockhausen - Tahvo
The Last Poets - Ian
Sun Ra - Lax29
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Next update you can put me down as solid for Brel and Stockhausen. They're both locks for me.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 08.25.12 @ 22:17pm


I will be voting for both of those as well, DarinRG. I'm going to support Wanda Jackson as a performer, mostly because if she narrowly gets in via that category, it will likely prevent some populist artist like George Michael or, god forbid, Garth Brooks from getting in.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 08.30.12 @ 06:15am


I have been participating around here for most of the last year, but this will be my first Rock Hall Projected vote. A few thoughts:

I don't really take to the idea that certain "genres" have to have certain number in the hall. Nor do I understand the thought that a genre can only be represented once per voting cycle. The most deserving artists should go in regardless.

One "genre" that I don't hear mentioned much is just a little one called popular music. You know, the music that actually influences incoming teenagers because it's what they actually hear. I'm not talking about bubble gum pop, just music that the average person has actually heard. Having a little success should not be considered a negative. Some artists I'm talking about:

America
Bill Withers (IMO, he is not an influence, he is a full fledged artist)
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
DIana Ross
Foreigner
The Guess Who
Herman's Hermits
Huey Lewis & the News
JIm Croce
Johnny Mathis
Johnny Rivers
Kid Rock
Lionel Richie
Little River Band
Live
Liz Phair
Midnight Oil
Ozzy Osbourne
Pat Benatar
Paul Revere & the Raiders
Pet Shop Boys
Phil Collins
REO Speedwagon
Ringo Starr
Simple Minds
Steve Winwood
Sting
Styx
Supertramp
Three Dog Night
Tommy James & the Shondells

Some are more deserving than others, but they all deserve at least some attention.

Also I think there are some British acts that were huge in the UK but not so much in America that should not be ignored such as:
Badfinger
Cliff Richard/The Shadows
Hawkwind
Madness
Slade
Sweet
Uriah Heep
Wishbone Ash

As of now I would lean towards nominating:
Sweet
Jim Croce
Midnight Oil

as for other categories I think sidemen considerations should include Rick Derringer, Slash, Clarence Clemons, and Adrian Belew.

non-performers to be considered:Jon Landau, Lester Bangs, Danny Elfman, and Perry Ferrell.

Posted by jtrichey on Saturday, 09.1.12 @ 17:33pm


I don't get where this idea that we don't induct popular artists comes from, we're hardly Hipster central.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 09.2.12 @ 05:46am


You're right in that it is not completely ignored, and I didn't mean to imply that it was. There are definitely some posters that do completely ignore it though, and through them some odd bands are getting in ahead of more obvious artists that had success. In my opinion only, I believe there are some that count success as a black mark.

Posted by jtrichey on Sunday, 09.2.12 @ 23:05pm


Does any fellow poster know when we will be voting on the Revisited/Projected rock Hall Project Class of 2028, at least for this year? Tomorrow is the NomCom meeting of the actual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. If we follow last year's path, we likely vote for the 2028 class shortly afterwards. If any poster knows these queries, post them as soom as can be.

Hoping I did not ask a stupid question,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Sunday, 09.9.12 @ 22:07pm


We will probably do it after the nominees for the real rock hall have been announced just like last year.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 09.9.12 @ 22:17pm


What I will be voting for.

Wanda Jackson
Suicide
The Specials
Neu!
Belle & Sebastian
The Chemical Brothers

Non-Performers:

Neil Bogart
Richard Perry

Influences:

Jacques Brel
Karlheinz Stockhausen

Sidemen:

Bob Babbitt
Cornell Dupree

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 09.9.12 @ 22:26pm


My seventh selection would be either Poco or Lucinda Williams. It will definitely be a country rock act for sure.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 09.9.12 @ 22:29pm


I'm not decided on my perofrmers, but for non performer i'm definitely picking Thomas Edison and Fritz Pfleumer.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 09.10.12 @ 13:13pm


Do people put forth nominees for this, or does everyone just name 7 artists?

Posted by jtrichey on Monday, 09.10.12 @ 23:55pm


jtrichey, you simply vote for 7 Performers and 2 each for the other categories. However, a lot of us have been confirming the choices that we WILL vote for in order to help certain candidacies and to avoid our ballots being filled with choices that nobody else plans to throw a vote.


Update on who voters are committing to...

Performers:

Neu! - 5 (Casper, Tahvo, DarinRG, GFW, Greg F)
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - 5 (Casper, Tahvo, BSLO, DarinRG, Ian)
Wanda Jackson - 5 (Lax29, Steve Z, Tahvo, BSLO, Greg F)

Belle & Sebastian - 4 (Casper, Lax29, Ian, Greg F)
Suicide - 4 (Casper, DarinRG, Sam, Greg F)

Bauhaus - 3 (Tahvo, BSLO, DarinRG)
The Specials - 3 (Tahvo, Ian, Greg F)

The Chemical Brothers - 2 (Sam, Greg F)
The Commodores - 2 (Jim, Ian)
George Michael - 2 (Jim, Ian)
Lou Reed - 2 (Casper, Lax29)
Pantera - 2 (BSLO, Jim)
Tommy James and the Shondells - 2 (Jim, Ian)

Peter Tosh - Lax29
The Alan Parsons Project - Lax29
Muse - Lax29
Pat Benatar - Lax29
Suede - Sam
Bad Brains - Steve Z
Spencer Davis Group - Tahvo
No Doubt - BSLO
Garth Brooks - Jim
Gary Numan - GFW
LCD Soundsystem - GFW



Non-Performers:

Sylvia Robinson - 3 (Mikhail, Tahvo, Ian)

Fritz Pfleumer - GFW
Godley and Creme - Lax29
Hipgnosis - Lax29
Lee Hazlewood - Ian
Stephen Street - Sam
Thomas Edison - GFW
Neil Bogart - Greg F
Richard Perry - Greg F


Influences:

Jacques Brel - 4 (Tahvo, Ian, Casper, DarinRG, Greg F)
Karlheinz Stockhausen - 4 (Tahvo, Casper, DarinRG, Greg F)


Wanda Jackson - Sam
Bill Withers - Lax29
The Last Poets - Ian
Sun Ra - Lax29




Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar - Ian
Bob Babbitt - Greg F
Cornell Dupree - Greg F
Phillip Paul - Tahvo
Pino Palladino - Lax29
Tammi Terrell - Ian
Wayne Shorter - Lax29

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 17:49pm


Forgot to include my name for Wanda Jackson as a Performer. So she's now our next election's front-runner with six confirmed supporters.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 17:50pm


Right now I have Bauhaus, Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Suicide and Neu! as locks. Wanda Jackson, the Specials and Bad Brains are most likely to fill out my final three spots.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 07.16.12 @ 17:27pm

At this point I'm considering the Specials to be a lock and Wanda Jackson close to it. I'm a big supporter of Bad Brains (and I still think there's a good chance that Cleveland could beat us to them), but if I don't see more support I may throw that vote to the Chemical Brothers, Lou Reed or Belle & Sebastian while they do have decent support.

Going forward I'd also like to strongly advocate for Throbbing Gristle, Wire, Siouxsie & the Banshees, the Fall and Gang of Four (and I know that Siouxsie and the Fall have both had strong years of support in the past), but that clearly won't be happening this year.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 09.12.12 @ 18:11pm


You can add my name to Fritz Pfleumer for N-P and Jack Nitzsche for sideman.

Still don't know my seventh Performer pick, pretty much all the names Darin mentioned that I haven't yet plus are a few others are on my immediate radar.

I'd also like to see us get the Dells and the Moonglows in at some point, though I probably won't have room for either this round (maybe the Moonglows).

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 09.13.12 @ 07:48am


Is there no other support for LCD? I'd like to induct at least one new act.

Also i'm gonna be shocked if thms edison isn't first in, he's litterally the most impotant non performer to ever live.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 09.13.12 @ 11:08am


jtrichey, you simply vote for 7 Performers and 2 each for the other categories. However, a lot of us have been confirming the choices that we WILL vote for in order to help certain candidacies and to avoid our ballots being filled with choices that nobody else plans to throw a vote.
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In that case it looks nearly decided already. I mean no offense, but if it turns out this way this would make a fairly boring party in Cleveland for the induction ceremony.

Of those that have gotten some support, I would support The Chemical Brothers and Tommy James & the Shondells. Muse and Pat Benatar would be nice as well.

I really think there should be more consideration for

Bill Withers (performer all the way)
Billy Idol
Cyndi Lauper
Jim Croce
Midnight Oil
Ozzy Osbourne's solo work
Sweet
Slade
Wishbone Ash

For other categories please take a look at Jon Landau or Lester Bangs for non-performers and Rick Deringer and Clarence Clemons as sidemen.

I happen to think we have kind of maxed out the influence category for the most part.

Posted by jtrichey on Thursday, 09.13.12 @ 23:54pm


I don't understand what happened to all the support for Jim Croce. A year ago there was a list of at least 6 or 7 people who said they would consider voting for him. If I bother with this at all he will be on my ballot for sure. Looks like it's already been decided though.

Posted by classicrocker on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 00:37am


Wow, I totally forgot about Jim Croce, he'll be on my ballot for sure.

Also, regarding the support, I wouldn't say things are decided yet since about half our regular voters haven't said who they'll support yet.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 03:18am


Eh, nothing's been decided yet. Wanda Jackson has six supporters, but the less have rest than that. It looks like about ten users here gave their Performer picks, but not all of them have used up all their ballot spaces and I'd expect that we'll have at least twenty users in our annual election. In other words, Wanda Jackson is probably the only one of those Performers that I'd willingly bet money on.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 15:51pm


In no order, here are the acts I am considering:

Bad Brains
Belle & Sebastian
Pat Benatar
Boston
The Chemical Brothers
The Commodores
Spencer Davis Group
Wanda Jackson
Tommy James and the Shondells
Kool & The Gang
Korn
LCD Soundsystem
Dave Matthews Band
Neu!
No Doubt
Gary Numan
Ozzy Osbourne
Pantera
Lou Reed
The Specials
Suicide

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 16:45pm


can someone please explain croces case? genuinely curious.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 10:59am


The case for Croce is :

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim

Seriously, the case can be summarized in 2 words. Musical excellence. We have already inducted the following singer songwriters for their great contributions:

Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Jackson Browne, James Taylor, Cat Stevens, Weird" Al Yankovic, Nick Drake, Tom Waits and Randy Newman

Jim is no less deserving; and if he continues to be left out, I consider it an obvious snub.

Posted by classicrocker on Friday, 09.14.12 @ 20:12pm


Count me in on Jim Croce. So to recap I will be voting for Jim Croce, The Specials, Belle & Sebastian, Wanda Jackson, Suicide, The Chemical Brothers, & Neu!.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 09.15.12 @ 00:32am


Hey, glad to see I may have gotten the ball rolling on Jim Croce. It always feels nice to contribute.

Posted by jtrichey on Saturday, 09.15.12 @ 01:28am


I'm thinking of voting for Kool and the Gang this induction cycle. I see Gassman has expressed support, anyone else interested in voting for them?

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 09.15.12 @ 06:52am


Barring any changes, here is my ballot:

Elliott Smith
PJ Harvey
Neutral Milk Hotel
Gary Numan
Tori Amos
LCD Soundsystem
Neu!

proppa indie, me.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 09.15.12 @ 07:28am


Add my name to the following acts:

Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
The Chemical Brothers
The Human League
Pet Shop Boys
Lou Reed
The Specials

Early influences:
Lonnie Donegan
Karlheinz Stockhausen

Non-performers:
Frankie Knuckles
Art Rupe

Sidemen:
'Daddy' Gene Barge
Fred Wesley

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 09.16.12 @ 18:54pm


I'll definitely be voting for Wanda Jackson, Bad Brains, and Jim Croce this round. Ozzy Osbourne and Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds are also most likely.

For my other choices, I'll hold off for now. I've still got more to research on Belle and Sebastian, but they have a lot of support, so we'll see. Boston, Neutral Milk Hotel, Moonglows, Dells, Bauhaus, and others are possibilities.

I guess we'll see when the time comes.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 09.23.12 @ 13:58pm


Also, all of the artists that The_Claw listed would be great choices, and I'd like to see most get in eventually.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 09.23.12 @ 14:11pm


I'm giving an influence vote to Conway Twitty.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 09.25.12 @ 23:40pm


And I'm giving an influence vote to Andy Williams!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 09.26.12 @ 21:43pm


Here's the latest update on who we plant to vote for....Jim Croce has climbed from being not listed to one of the front-runners.


Performers:

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - 7 (Casper, Tahvo, BSLO, DarinRG, Ian, The_Claw, Steve Z)
Wanda Jackson - 7 (Lax29, Steve Z, Tahvo, BSLO, Greg F, Casper, Steve Z)

Neu! - 6 (Casper, Tahvo, DarinRG, GFW, Greg F, GFW)

Jim Croce - 5 (Tahvo, Greg F, classicrocker, jtrichey, Steve Z)
The Specials - 5 (Tahvo, Ian, Greg F, DarinRG, The_Claw)

Belle & Sebastian - 4 (Casper, Lax29, Ian, Greg F)
The Chemical Brothers - 4 (Sam, Greg F, jtrichey, The_Claw)
Suicide - 4 (Casper, DarinRG, Sam, Greg F)

Bauhaus - 3 (Tahvo, BSLO, DarinRG)
Lou Reed - 3 (Casper, Lax29, The_Claw)
Tommy James and the Shondells - 3 (Jim, Ian, jtrichey)

The Commodores - 2 (Jim, Ian)
George Michael - 2 (Jim, Ian)
Muse - 2 (Lax29, jtrichey)
Pantera - 2 (BSLO, Jim)
Pat Benatar - 2 (Lax29, jtrichey)

Peter Tosh - Lax29
The Alan Parsons Project - Lax29
Suede - Sam
Bad Brains - Steve Z
Spencer Davis Group - Tahvo
No Doubt - BSLO
Garth Brooks - Jim
Gary Numan - GFW
LCD Soundsystem - GFW
Elliott Smith - GFW
PJ Harvey - GFW
Neutral Milk Hotel - GFW
Gary Numan - GFW
Tori Amos - GFW
LCD Soundsystem - GFW
Captain Beefheart - The_Claw
The Human League - The_Claw
Pet Shop Boys - The_Claw
Ozzy Osbourne - Steve Z





Non-Performers:

Sylvia Robinson - 3 (Mikhail, Tahvo, Ian)

Art Rupe - 2 (Casper, The_Claw)
Fritz Pfleumer - 2 (GFW, Tahvo)

Godley and Creme - Lax29
Hipgnosis - Lax29
Lee Hazlewood - Ian
Stephen Street - Sam
Thomas Edison - GFW
Neil Bogart - Greg F
Richard Perry - Greg F
Frankie Knuckles - The_Claw





Influences:

Karlheinz Stockhausen - 5 (Tahvo, Casper, DarinRG, Greg F, The_Claw)
Jacques Brel - 4 (Tahvo, Ian, Casper, DarinRG, Greg F)

Wanda Jackson - Sam
Bill Withers - Lax29
The Last Poets - Ian
Sun Ra - Lax29
Lonnie Donegan - The_Claw
Conway Twitty - Gassman
Andy Williams - Rick Vendi II





Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar - Ian
Bob Babbitt - Greg F
Cornell Dupree - Greg F
Phillip Paul - Tahvo
Pino Palladino - Lax29
Tammi Terrell - Ian
Wayne Shorter - Lax29
Jack Nitzsche - Tahvo
'Daddy' Gene Barge - The_Claw
Fred Wesley - The_Claw

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 09.27.12 @ 17:05pm


I'm consdiering voting Robyn.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 09.28.12 @ 13:54pm


I'm listed twice for Wanda Jackson! So she really has 6 votes

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 14:30pm


When are we actually voting? I haven't decided who all I'll vote for, but I've got some ideas floating.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09.29.12 @ 14:54pm



Honestly GFW I didn't even know who he was before that. Saying that, the whole thing strikes me as phony.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 05:14am


Possibly, but i dunno. Anyway, I got two much elss dubiosu people, Thomas Edison and Fritz Pfleumer

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 11:22am


Yeah I think Sam might be right, GFW. There seems to be quite a bit of conspiracy floating around on Jimmy Saville (not necessarily this, but some pretty weird other stuff), not sure why.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 10.2.12 @ 15:46pm


Alright, everyone. The Official Rock Hall Nominations have been revealed, so it's now time to do our annual balloting in our Unofficial (Superior) Hall of Fame.

Be sure to take a look at the list a few posts above me of who are regulars said they would support. It will help us all avoid wasting votes on candidates that have no chance of being elected. I'm hoping people say generally faithful to the commitments they made earlier, but strategic voting has always been a part of this project so I imagine some people will adjust their ballot based on the first few submitted. That's alright.


Anyway, here's my ballot...

Performers:

Belle & Sebastian
Lou Reed
Neu!
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
The Specials
Suicide
Wanda Jackson

Non-Performers:

Art Rupe
Glyn Johns

Influences:

Jacques Brel
Karlheinz Stockhausen

I have no intention to vote in the Sidemen category at this point in time.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 03:39am


Also, just a quick apology for a lot of my typos around this site lately. I sometimes come on here during the week when I'm up late or after working a night shift and it obviously leads my brain to have a bit of a fit when I'm typing.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 03:41am


Bauhaus
Jim Croce
Neu!
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
The Specials
Suicide
Wanda Jackson



NP

Godley and Creme
Glyn Johns

Inf

Karlheinz Stockhausen
Jacques Brel

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 03:54am


I know it came up before and was rather contentious, but should we reconsider eliminating the Sidemen category?

1 - As seen above, most of the regulars didn't even bother to say which Sidemen they plan on supporting. Either because they don't care or don't think there's any worthy candidates left.

2 - Our first two ballots have no votes for Sidemen and I'm sure there will be plenty more.

3 - It's pointless to keep watering down such a category that has next-to-no relevance on the latter history of Rock and Roll. For the most part, there's been nobody really deserving of the honor that started their career in the 90's and 00's. If we continue this category, it will just become worse and worse in hindsight....it's akin to having a Performer slot be designated to a 60's act every single year since that's where most of these Sidemen come from. We should be honoring the bulk of rock history, but in the modern industry where few journeymen are needed or go on to accomplish much that's important, it relegates us to a category that only documents a brief era in rock history (for the most part).

4 - No real majority. It's getting ridiculous to keep open a category where, as we saw last year, someone can be inducted with as few as 3 votes. This year, it looks like 2 could even be the magic number as nobody even earned multiple votes in our pre-season selection.

My take is that we should let the voting run. If more than 50% don't vote in the category, we eliminate it from here on out. If more than 50% vote in the category, but their ballots average less than 1.5 names, we keep the category but only induct one person this year. Next year, the category would once again face extinction.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 04:14am


Ok, here goes:

-Suicide
-The Specials
-Pantera
-Suede
-The Chemical Brothers
-Wanda Jackson (Other people have sold me on why she shouldn't have been an EI)
-Bauhaus (I keep going back and forth, but right now I'm thinking yes)

NP:

-Stephen Street
-Glyn Johns

Early Influence:
-Karlheinz Stockhausen

No Sidemen this round

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 05:01am


OK:

Performers:

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Wanda Jackson
Neu!
Jim Croce
The Specials
Bauhaus
The Spencer Davis Group

Non-Performers:

Sylvia Robinson
Fritz Pfleumer

Influences:

Jacques Brel
Karlheinz Stockhausen

Sidemen:

Jack Nitzsche
Philip Paul

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 06:30am


Assuming this voting I'm seing is for the 2028 class.

I would be OK with eliminating sideman catagory, as I never voted on it anyway.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 07:54am


Here is my 2028 ballot:

Performers:

Arcade Fire
Blink-182
Jim Croce
Wanda Jackson
The Offspring
The Specials
Peter Tosh


Non-Performers:

Sylvia Robinson
Glyn Johns

Influences:

Jacques Brel
Karlheinz Stockhausen

No sideman vote

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 10:55am


My votes:

Mariah Carey (actually, shes the biggest R&B snub)
Garth Brooks
George Michael
The Offspring
Pantera
Tommy James & The Shondells
The Commodores

I also fully support the induction of Jim Croce. If he's behind I'll swap my Pantera vote for him.

Posted by Jim on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 11:14am


I'm going to stick with just performers this time around. Here's my 2028 ballot:

Bauhaus
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
No Doubt
Pantera
The Offspring
Tommy James & The Shondells
Wanda Jackson

Posted by BSLO on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 11:26am


Let's do this.

Neu!
Gary Numan
Neutral Milk Hotel
Elliott Smith
PJ Harvey
LCD Soundsystem
The Human League

Fritz Pfleumer
Thomas Edison

Never cared much about sideman cateogry, and don't see the need for it to continue.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 12:00pm


Just to clear up the confusion, we ARE voting on the 2028 class right now. Everybody can vote by posting their ballot. We only do this once a year, so be sure to join in!

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 16:28pm


For 2028:


Performers

Jim Croce
Wanda Jackson
Peter Tosh
Pantera
Suicide
Olivia Newton-John
The Specials


Non-Performers

Thomas Edison
Jerry Blavat


Influences

Johann Sebastian Bach
Karlheinz Stockhausen

Posted by classicrocker on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 16:30pm


For influences, chuck in Beethoven and Stockhausen.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 16:35pm


Jim Croce
The Specials
Belle & Sebastian
Wanda Jackson
Suicide
The Chemical Brothers
Neu!

Non-Performers:

Richard Barret
Richard Perry

Influences:

Jacques Brel
Karlheinz Stockhausen

Sidemen:

Bob Babbitt
Cornell Dupree

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 18:56pm


Public Enemy
NWA
The Marvelettes
Donna Summer
Kraftwerk

PE my favorite Hip Hop group Glad to see the Hall being more inclusive

Posted by Leon on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 19:22pm


My vote:

Performers:

Belle & Sebastian
Wanda Jackson
LCD Soundsystem
Dave Matthews Band
No Doubt
Suicide
Pantera

Non-Performers:

Richard Perry
Art Rupe

Influences:

Karlheinz Stockhausen
Conway Twitty

Sidemen:

I agree that it is time to get rid of this category

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 19:53pm


Wanda Jackson
Belle & Sebastian
Neu!
Kool and the Gang
The Chemical Brothers
A Tribe Called Quest
The Commodores

Influences:
Conway Twitty
Josh White

Non-Performers:
Art Rupe
Glyn Johns

Sidemen:
Chuck Rainey
Roy Caton

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 20:24pm


With regards to getting rid of the Side-Man category, if so, then will our Blind Ballot Hall only inductees be merged into Rock Hall Projected?

Might as well merge all categories from that project while we're at it!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 20:46pm


The Rock Hall Revisited/Projected and the Blind Ballot Hall are two totally different projects with different groups of voters. Mixing the two would be unfair to the voters of this project.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 21:29pm


Then do not just outright get rid of the Rock Hall Projected Side-Man category, relegating it as over when there is still much work to be done, I find that unfair for this project's voters!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 21:34pm


Let's try this:

Belle & Sebastian
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
The Commodores
Tommy James and the Shondells
George Michael
The Specials
A Tribe Called Quest

Non-Performers

Lee Hazelwood
Sylvia Robinson

Influences:

Jacques Brel
Conway Twitty

Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar
The Dap-Kings

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 23:23pm


Jim Croce
Tommy James & the Shondells
LCD Soundsystem
Chemical Brothers
Arcade Fire
The Guess Who
Sweet

sidemen:
Clarence Clemons (he has done a ton more than just the E Street band)
Rick Derringer

non-performer:
Lester Bangs
Jon Landau

influence:
eh, IMO if we are out of sidemen, we are out of influences too.

Posted by jtrichey on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 00:32am


jtrichey - Arcade Fire is not eligible until next year.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 00:34am


We are going to fallow this rule for categories (thanks Casper):

If more than 50% don't vote in the category, we eliminate it from here on out. If more than 50% vote in the category, but their ballots average less than 1.5 names, we keep the category but only induct one person this year. Next year, the category would once again face extinction.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 00:36am


I'm totally down with including that rule for the other categories as well. Influences also has an expiration date. While our category runs alongside the Rock Era and includes artists that don't necessarily fit that scope but played a big hand in shaping it (Fela Kuti, etc.), it does pretty much die off around the 70's. It's another category where you can't just indefinitely induct names because you'll eventually hit a wall.

Non-Performers is somewhat similar. A lot of the innovators and important label founders, well, we aren't really going to have any of those in the near future (or really had any from the 80's onward). I imagine there's still room here for a lot of names, but aside from modern Producers, I'm not sure if there's much else to induct.

Basically, these categories are mostly here to admire those that formed and shaped the bedrock of the rock era. Eventually, you run out of names from that earlier period and they need to be phased out.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 00:42am


Paul In KY and jtrichey each have one replacement vote in the Performers category, as The Arcade Fire aren't eligible until next year.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 00:43am


Performers:

Belle And Sebastian
Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds
Pantera

LCD Soundsystem (The best newly eligible artist, though I'm surprised there's been no support for The Black Keys)

George Michael
PJ Harvey
The Guess Who

Non-Performers:

Jon Landau
Lester Bangs

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 00:52am


Gassman, Arcade Fire is on the 2028 page here. That is why I voted for them.

You didn't comment on me including them, I guess that means you never look at my votes (sniff). I look at yours.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 09:06am


If a band is on the 2028 page it means that they are eligible in 2028 but would be inducted in the 2029 ceremony. We have all of our years up above based on the year of the induction ceremony. It's confusing, but that's the way we've been doing it since the beginning.

Arcade Fire, Beyonce, Kanye West, etc. are all eligible next year!

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 11:34am


Actually I think I have a better idea for the categories that aren't on enough ballots. How about in order for that category to count it has to have votes on at least 50% of the ballots. The categories are never eliminated so if we think of something or someone new comes along we feel like we should recognize, we still have the option. Thoughts?

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 11:44am


Oops.

Replace Arcade fire with:

Midnight Oil

Posted by jtrichey on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 14:26pm


Gassman, that would satisfy everyone. Let's stick with that.


Where We Stand:

NP - 13 (86.7%)
IN - 11 (73.3%)
SM - 5 (33.3%)



Total: 15 (Casper, DarinRG, Sam, Tahvo, Paul in KY, Jim, BSLO, GFW, classicrocker, Greg F, Gassman, rockstar23, Ian, jtrichey, Darren)


All the categories had two names in each except Sam only voted for one person in the Influences category.

Ballot Averages:

NP - 2.0
SM - 2.0
IN - 1.9



I'd also like it if we could forego posting voting updates in this thread. People have had months of pre-season time to see the above preference list that I compiled and updated. There's no point in letting later voters have an over-sized influence on the electorate when anybody can go see who the most likely candidates are just by scrolling back a few days on this page.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 16:41pm


There is an opportunity to alter your own vote though right? So if that is true, there should be at least one voting update before changes are allowed. (Personally, I don't see a problem with voting updates, this is not a secret type of vote.)

Posted by jtrichey on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 16:49pm


We've done voting updates for every induction class so far, why change it now?

This isn't the blind ballot version.

Posted by Jim on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 16:54pm


Paul in KY: Sorry I didn't see your mistake! You do have one more vote though!

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 16:55pm


Performers:

1. The Dells
2. The Moonglows
3. Wanda Jackson
4. The Tokens
5. Mariah Carey
6. Lesley Gore
7. Huey Lewis And The News

Non-Performers:

1. Steve Barri & P.F. Sloan
2. Bob Crewe

Influences:

1. Amos Milburn
2. Fats Waller

Sideman:

1. Philip Paul
2. Jack Nitzche

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 18:22pm


At long last, we can now vote on the continuation of our crown jewel: the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. At the least, this will be for the Class of 2028; albeit I would prefer at least one other election cycle before the year is out.

Before I show my ballot, I would like to comment on the issue of what should be kept and discarded in terms of categories. I say we keep all categories. There is no need to get rid of a category when pressed for people to induct. If this is considered a backdoor way of inducting artists that could have also been considered performers, so be it. Now then, here is my final ballot for 2028.


Performers

Belle And Sebastien
Wanda Jackson
Peter Tosh
Lou Reed
Gary Numan
The Chemical Brothers
Olivia Newton-John

Non-Performers

Godley and Creme
Lester Bangs

Influences

Karlheinz Stockhausen
Johann Sebastien Bach

Sidemen

Jack Nitzsche
Cornell Dupree

Well, that is my final and unimpeachable ballot. It did change somewhat over the last 3 months or so. Yet, I find this ballot to be reasonable enough. Thanks go out to future rock legends yet again for allowing us to continue this more superior and egalitarian Hall of Fame. Our influence over the actual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame needs to continue. We are making progress in these endeavors. And I am humbled and glad to be a part of it all.

Hope to be back soon with another block rocking election:),

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 20:42pm


After looking throw people's sidemen votes, I've decided to give votes to:

Carlos Alomar
Jack Nitzsche

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 00:45am


I hear you out Lax29, but I just say let the majority have their say. If people don't even care enough to vote in a category, then it probably shouldn't be here. On top of that, we're going with Gassman's proposal that none of the categories will be removed forever, so if interest piques up next year, people can still be inducted in them.

Basically, they're all there if people care.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 03:03am


My Ballot:

1.) Wanda Jackson
2.) Bad Brains
3.) Jim Croce
4.) Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
5.) Ozzy Osbourne
6.) The Moonglows
7.) Bauhaus

Non-Performer
1.) Glyn Johns
2.) Art Rupe

Influences
1.) Jacques Brel
2.) Josh White

Sidemen
1.) Philip Paul
2.) Rick Derringer

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 12:46pm


Please replace my Arcade Fire vote with Tommy James & the Shondells

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 17:08pm


Change my NP votes to Art Rupe and Glyn Johns, please.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 23:33pm


My ballot for the Rock Hall Projected class of 2028...

Performers

Phil Collins
Three Dog Night
The Alan Parsons Project
Foreigner
The J. Geils Band
Joe South
Olivia Newton-John

Influences

Andy Williams
The Four Aces

Non-Performers

Hugh Padgham
Thom Bell

Side-Men

Bob Babbitt
Chester Thompson

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 12:03pm


As I look things over, I see the worry that posting updates will somehow harm the process to be totally baseless. In fact I would say the exact opposite. There is an extreme prejudice to those who vote early as following voters are probably too concerned with wasting votes. Long story short, I am posting an update through Rick Vendl II's vote:

Performer:
Wanda Jackson 13

The Specials 8

Belle & Sebastian 7
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 7
Jim Croce 7

Neu! 6
Suicide 6
Pantera 6
------------(there isn't a single artist currently slated for induction that wasn't named on one of the first 3 ballots! An awful lot of power in getting your vote in early IMO)

Bauhaus 5
The Chemical Brothers 5
Tommy James & The Shondells 5

LCD Soundsystem 4

The Offspring 3
Peter Tosh 3
George Michael 3
The Commodores 3
Olivia Newton-John 3

Lou Reed 2
Mariah Carey 2
No Doubt 2
Gary Numan 2
PJ Harvey 2
A Tribe Called Quest 2
The Guess Who 2
The Moonglows 2

Suede 1
The Spencer Davis Group 1
Blink-182 1
Garth Brooks 1
Neutral Milk Hotel 1
Elliott Smith 1
The Human League 1
The Dave Mathews Band 1
Kool & The Gang 1
Sweet 1
Midnight Oil 1
The Dells 1
The Tokens 1
Lesley Gore 1
Huey Lewis & The News 1
Bad Brains 1
Ozzy Osbourne 1
Phil Collins 1
Three Dog Night 1
The Alan Parsons Project 1
Foreigner 1
The J Geils Band 1
Joe South 1


Non-performers:
Glyn Johns 7

Art Rupe 5
----------(again, the same guys named on the first ballot)

Sylvia Robinson 3
Lester Bangs 3

Godley & Creme 2
Fritz Pfleumer 2
Thomas Edison 2
Richard Perry 2
Jon Landau 2

Stephen Street 1
Jerry Blavat 1
Richard Barret 1
Lee Hazelwood 1
Hugh Padgham 1
Thom Bell 1

Influence:
Karlheinz Stockhausen 10

Jacques Brel 7
-----------(Hey, how about that, the same 2 guys on the very first ballot)

Conway Twitty 3

Bach 2
Josh White 2

Beethoven 1
Amos Milburn 1
Fats Waller 1
Andy Williams 1
The Four Aces 1

Sidemen:
Jack Nitzsche 4

Philip Paul 3
---------
Bob Babbitt 2
Cornell Dupree 2
Carlos Alomar 2
Rick Derringer 2

Chuck Rainey 1
Roy Caton 1
The Dap-Kings 1
Clarence Clemons 1
Chester Thompson 1

Posted by jtrichey on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 18:20pm


I think there's been a subtle form of brainwashing going on here for some time. The request to not deviate from your "commitments" is what raised my eyebrows. It feels like sheep being herded in a certain direction. And not allowing a voting update to be posted seems rather Orwellian to me.

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 21:50pm


Nah, I had changed my mind about there being a voting update. Plus, this isn't my project. I didn't create it and it's all of ours. I was just hearing people out and voicing my own opinion.

I agree that past precedent is the reason voting updates should be allowed and jtrichey's reasoning makes sense. Better to not let the early voters have all the say by posting an update so later voters can see where to distribute their votes. Those that vote first technically have the most power to dictate the voting trends.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 22:00pm


jtrichey, I see where you're headed, but you have to keep in mind that the Non-Performer/Side-men categories where practically free-for-alls anyway as evidenced in our pre-season preference voting. That's probably the best argument for your theory though since the categories without consensus would likely be dictated by those that voted soonest.

However, the Influences and Performer categories are pretty much mirror that preferential voting from earlier. That shouldn't be all that surprising.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 22:05pm


I am not accusing anybody of anything. Except myself of a little whining.

As the results stand now, I think the performer selections are very weak. This is purely an opinion, and obviously the majority here disagree.

The Specials, a 3 album ska band. Ska? Really?

Neu!, a 3 album Krautrock band. Krautrock? Really?

Suicide ,a 2 album electronic band. I do think they had a tiny bit of influence, but you can stretch influence to any level of importance you want. If influence was really so important a band like Culture Club would be a first ballot entry. (And no I don't really think Culture Club belongs).

Sorry for the grouchiness.

Posted by jtrichey on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 22:55pm


jtrichey, I appreciate your concern. I'm actually really surprised to see how closely the results match the "pre-season." I think part of the reason is because it's easier to jump on the bandwagon for artists you support than go support an artist who doesn't look like they have much of a chance. For example, seeing I was the only one who supported the Spencer Davis Group this round almost made me switch my vote to one of the top vote getters I wasn't supporting at the time. I didn't and sure enough the Spencer Davis Group only ended up with one vote to look at (my own). Doesn't matter though, since I will continue to support them.

Anyway, I hope the sideman category stays this round as Nitzsche and Paul are both deserving and I'm not just saying that because I voted for both ;)

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 04:27am


Just thinking about when the voting should stop, would everyone be cool with closing voting at midnight on Wednesday? (technically Thursday, but you know what I mean =P)

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 14:17pm


I don't know what the norm is, or if there even is a norm as this may be the first year where you've had to wait a whole year to induct a class, but this is the biggest project of the site, and Wednesday will only be one week.

Also, what is the policy on vote changes? I'm not sure any change I make could change anything right now, but what is the typical policy?

Posted by jtrichey on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 14:34pm


I believe we had a 24 hour rule at one point.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 22:01pm


I wonder if I can make a suggestion to this year's class. Like many posters these last few days, I noticed a trend to which quite a number of artists and non-performers were given more traction than others. Of the 8 possible Performers inductees as of now, I voted for 2 of them. Now, as I mentioned in my previous post, I deviated from my initial pre-season ballot: mainly because I was not certain artists on my ballot would be voted on by other posters. Also, as you might have guessed, I usually look at voting trends and tend to vote for those already posted in ballots prior to mine. THat way there is no harm and no foul. Heck, in the two years we have been doing this Project; some of the other posters' favored artists inducted have become mine as well. Silver Apples immediately comes to mind.

I think one reason we feel the need to choose a consensus is to not put on our ballots artists and Non-Performers that seem way out of place. And if not out of place, then clearly not widely respected enough to be listed among the greats in rock. For instance, I would consider all of the classic Genesis line-up's members to have individual careers worthy of the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. So far, we have reached a consensus by inducting Peter Gabriel. Maybe we will soon induct Phil Collins in the near future. Yet, while I think Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford and Phil Collins need to be inducted on their own; not many other posters, exceptioning Rick Vendl II, have felt likewise. By this point it simply becomes a need for concurrence, to see that we are not alone in our picks.

So I have come up with a probable solution. Once the voting is completed for the Class of 2028, I suggest we each fill out a hypothetical ballot that would consist of probable inductees that we feel may not be a consensus pick. The key factor is, our ballots present artists and Non-Performers that we feel are equal to those inducted in the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project from the beginning through 2028. The only qualification is the artist or Non-Performer needed to be in the business no later than 2002. To make this easier and to provide a starting point, here is my hypothetical ballot.

Performers

Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
10cc
Sarah McLachlan
Tears For Fears
Bill Withers
Steve Hackett
Camel

Non-Performers

Hipgnosis
Martin Scorsese

Influences

Odetta
Tony Bennett

Sidemen

Narada Michael Walden
Wayne Shorter

Once every poster's hypothetical ballot is on this page, we can then make a consensus as to which poster's ballot is best. That ballot can thus be added as an addendum of some kind to the Class of 2028. Say, 2028.5. If we want, we can do other addendums for recent years; thus a 2027.5, a 2026.5, et al., could be conceived. In the next main ballot, the Class of 2029, whomever was in that addendum ballot can also be considered for the main ballot. Thus, elevation for personal to consensus outright inductee can be acheived.

It is certainly worth the risk. As you may have seen, none of you ever expected me to consider some of the artists or non-performers on my hypothetical ballot as probable personal picks. Let it be known, this hypothetical ballot does NOT change my 2028 ballot. That remains the same as when I typed the ballot in to this website this past Friday. In fact, NONE of the hypothetical ballots will replace our 2028 ballots. This is just a little experiment to consider.

Who is truly using whom in Use Me?,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 22:09pm


You're correct, Casper. The rule has been that you can only change votes within the first 24 hours after casting your ballot. This was to give leeway to people who may have genuinely overlooked an act, but prevents people from changing votes to block an artist that they don't like or manipulate the final results.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 22:44pm


Hello, Lax29. Hope all is well. Your hypothetical ballot contains several names that I would be inclined to support including 10cc, Hipgnosis, and Odetta. Your idea that each participant fill out a hypothetical ballot of "left field" candidates is quite intriguing. How exactly would this unfold? Would the people who submitted the ballots be ranked by each voter, for example:

1. Lax29
2. Gassman
3. Casper
4. classicrocker (I know I'd be ranked last since the number of "indie" choices on my ballot wouldn't be as numerous as some others)

And then the person whose ballot scores the highest after computing the rankings be annointed "2028.5?"

If that's the format you are suggesting, then I for one would be happy to become involved. I would only caution that some among us might not be quite comfortable with the prospect of having THEMSELVES ranked as opposed to ranking artists. Seeing themselves near the bottom of a list like that might have them feel personally slighted, but hopefully they wouldn't hold a grudge....

Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 17:34pm


Gassman: Works for me.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 18:39pm


Lax29 - Whether or not I would be in favor of your idea would be determined based on your definition of "addendum". Do you mean that these artists would be listed separately, sort of like the "Voter's Choice" nominees in the Song Project or do you mean that these artists would be treated like Hall Of Fame inductees, but with an asterisk?

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 21:41pm


I would prefer that we don't make any changes to this project. I've always said that I am willing to adjust the rules and number of inductees for other projects, but not this one. I don't think there is any problem to the way things are going and I don't see the need to have another pseudo vote.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 21:48pm


I'm honestly not seeing the purpose of this additional step. To me it's fine if an act either gets in or doesn't. I'd hate to start a ghetto in this project like we did in the Song Project (which, in fairness, I was initially in favor of, but am no longer a fan of).

I think that the system is fine. There have been classes that I loved (like the current one is shaping up to be), and classes that I've hated. We've inducted acts that, to me, fall somewhere between questionable and ridiculous. And there are acts that I find to be highly deserving still waiting on the outside. That's just the nature of an undertaking like this.

It ain't broke, so there's no need to fix it.

That's my two cents anyway.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 22:01pm


My guesses for 2028... by then, i think there won't be a problem with more than one hip hop or metal artist on the induction list.

Performers

Phil Collins
Three Dog Night
A Tribe Called Quest
The J. Geils Band
Bad Brains
De La Soul

Influences
Charley Patton
Vince Guaraldi

Non-Performers
Fab Five Freddie

Posted by Lord Kel on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 22:04pm


Well, I did not expect the levels of concern for this idea. I do apologize for any wrongdoing and/or problems with tweaking the election process. It is not my intention to dilute or ghettoize the amount of inductees in terms of worthiness. Once again, I am sorry if this has caused a concern.

Okay with ending the voting by the ned of this week,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 22:26pm


I am against Lax29's suggestion. Just keep it the way it is right now. One induction per year until we all croak.

Nothing personal, Lax29, enjoy reading your perspective on things.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 08:55am


if we're ranking users im obvs #1

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 11:23am


Also looking at some of the acts we've inducted Neu! and Suicide aren't exactly head scratchers.

Also, how the hell are Ediso nand Pfleumer not getting all the votes when they're probably the two most important people in... well music recording!

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 11:40am


Also, how the hell are Ediso nand Pfleumer not getting all the votes when they're probably the two most important people in... well music recording!

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 11:40am

Probably the same reason people like Willie Mitchell, Dr. Robert Moog and Wolfman Jack aren't in the actual Hall of Fame.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 11:49am


Just a heads up that voting will close tonight at midnight! Get your votes in! =)

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 13:20pm


Where We Stand:

NP - 17 (89.5%)
IN - 15 (78.9%)
SM - 10 (52.7%)



Total: 19 (Casper, DarinRG, Sam, Tahvo, Paul in KY, Jim, BSLO, GFW, classicrocker, Greg F, Gassman, rockstar23, Ian, jtrichey, Darren, Philip, Lax29, Steve Z, Rick Vendi II)


All the categories had two names in each except Sam only voted for one person in the Influences category.

Ballot Averages:

NP - 2.0
SM - 2.0
IN - 1.9



- Two more Sidemen-less ballots would have to come in between now and tonight's deadline in order for there to be no Sidemen inducted this election. Otherwise, everything will continue as normal.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 15:35pm


vote:

Tommy James & The Shondells
Lou Reed
Sweet
Brian Wilson
Gary Numan
PJ Harvey
Frank Black


Non-performers:
Thomas Edison
Richard Perry

Influence:
Jacques Brel
Andy Williams

Sidemen: no vote

Posted by Darrin A on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 17:14pm


Casper - I think what Lord Kel posted was meant to be his vote. If so, there should be 21 votes, counting Darrin A.

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 19:58pm


I'm not sure what that person was posted. It won't affect any results if it counts as a ballot, but it would affect the Sidemen category and prevent it from having any inductees this year.

I say, let's be cautious and include it as a ballot if we want (again, it doesn't matter since it doesn't affect the results), but not count it towards the Sidemen category question.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 20:23pm


Voting has closed! I'll post the inductees in just a second!

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 01:40am


Vote Totals

Performers

Wanda Jackson – 13
Belle & Sebastian – 8
The Specials – 8
Jim Croce – 7
---------------------------------------
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds – 6
Tommy James & The Shondells – 6
Neu! – 6
Pantera – 6
Suicide – 6
---------------------------------------
Bauhaus – 5
The Chemical Brothers – 5
LCD Soundsystem – 4
A Tribe Called Quest – 3
The Commodores – 3
PJ Harvey – 3
George Michael – 3
Olivia Newton-John – 3
The Offspring – 3
Lou Reed – 3
Peter Tosh – 3
Bad Brains – 2
Mariah Carey – 2
Phil Collins – 2
The J. Geils Band – 2
The Guess Who – 2
The Moonglows – 2
No Doubt – 2
Gary Numan – 2
Sweet – 2
Three Dog Night – 2
Frank Black – 1
Blink-182 – 1
Garth Brooks – 1
The Spencer Davis Group – 1
De La Soul – 1
The Dells – 1
Foreigner – 1
Lesley Gore – 1
The Human League – 1
Kool & The Gang – 1
Huey Lewis & The News – 1
Dave Matthews Band – 1
Midnight Oil – 1
Neutral Milk Hotel – 1
Ozzy Osbourne – 1
The Alan Parsons Project – 1
Joe South – 1
Elliot Smith – 1
Suede – 1
The Tokens – 1
Brian Wilson – 1

Non-Performers

Glyn Johns – 7
Art Rupe – 5
---------------------------------------
Lester Bangs – 3
Thomas Edison – 3
Richard Perry – 3
Sylvia Robinson – 3
Godley and Crème – 2
Jon Landau – 2
Fritz Pfleumer – 2
Richard Barret – 1
Tom Bell – 1
Jerry Blavat – 1
Fab Five Freddie – 1
Lee Hazelwood – 1
Hugh Padgham – 1
Stephen Street – 1

Influences

Karlheinz Stockhausen – 10
Jacques Brel – 8
Conway Twitty – 3
Johann Sebastian Bach – 2
Josh White – 2
Andy Williams – 2
Ludwig van Beethoven – 1
The Four Aces – 1
Vince Guaraldi – 1
Amos Milburn – 1
Charley Patton – 1
Fats Waller – 1

Sidemen

Jack Nitzsche – 4
Philip Paul – 3
Carlos Alomar – 2
Bob Babbitt – 2
Rick Derringer – 2
Roy Caton – 1
Clarence Clemons – 1
The Dap-Kings – 1
Cornell Dupree – 1
Chuck Rainey – 1
Chester Thompson – 1

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 02:03am


Tiebreaker (Rank All 5, Top 3 Get Inducted):

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds – 6
Tommy James & The Shondells – 6
Neu! – 6
Pantera – 6
Suicide – 6

Voting will last 3 days and will close at midnight on Saturday

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 02:04am


My Tiebreaker Vote:

1. Pantera
2. Suicide
3. Neu!
4. Tommy James & The Shondells
5. Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds

Posted by Gasser on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 02:06am


^ That is me in the post above, btw. Boy do I need to get some sleep...

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 02:09am


Tie breaker:

Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
Suicide
Neu!
Pantera
Tommy James & the Shondells

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 02:40am


Tie breaker:

Neu!
Suicide
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
Pantera
Tommy James & the Shondells

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 03:10am


Tiebreaker:

1. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds (5)
2. Neu! (4)
3. Suicide (3)
4. Tommy James and the Shondells (2)
5. Pantera (1)

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 03:26am


1. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds (5)
2. Neu! (4)
3. Suicide (3)
4. Tommy James and the Shondells (2)
5. Pantera (1)


Tahvo's got my number.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 04:03am


1. Pantera
2. Neu!
3. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
4. Tommy James and the Shondells
5. Suicide

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 06:16am


Tiebreaker vote for 2028 Induction:

Tommy James & the Shondells - 5 pts
Suicide - 4 pts
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - 3 pts
Pantera - 2 pts
Neu! - 1 pt

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 08:13am


Nick Cave and Belle And Sebastian have 7 votes each:

Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds:

Tahvo
BSLO
Ian
Darren
Casper
DarinRG
Steve Z

Belle And Sebastian:

Gassman
Ian
Darren
Lax29
rockstar23
Greg F.
Casper


The tiebreaker should be between:

Pantera
Neu!
Tommy James And The Shondells
Suicide

Everything else matches up in our counts except Gary Numan has 3 votes:

GFW
Darrin A
Lax29

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 08:15am


Pantera
Suicide
Tommy James And The Shondells
Neu!

Posted by BSLO on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 10:02am


Glad to see I wasn't the only one keeping tabs on how Nick Cave did; nearly freaked when I saw the initial posting on results.

Anyway, on to my Tie-Breaker vote:

Tommy James and the Shondells
Pantera
Suicide
Neu!

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 10:18am


My bad, I'm always thankful that there is someone here checking my numbers.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 10:38am


Tommy James & The Shondells
Pantera
Suicide
Neu!

A decent class, if I say so myself.

Posted by Jim on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 10:53am


Revised Tiebreaker vote for 2028 Induction:

Tommy James & the Shondells - 4 pts
Suicide - 3 pts
Pantera - 2 pts
Neu! - 1 pt


Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 10:53am


Neu!
Nick Cave
Suicide
Tommy James
Pantera

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 12:40pm


Does anyone who's already posted their tiebreaker including Nick Cave mind if we just remove Nick Cave from your tiebreaker for the other four performers, assuming you haven't already re-posted it?

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 13:20pm


tiebreaker:

Tommy James and the Shondells
Pantera
Suicide
Neu!

Posted by jtrichey on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 13:32pm


Darren, nobody will mind. Obviously, where they ranked Nick Cave doesn't matter since the other four were ranked as well.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 16:42pm


Darren, nobody will mind. Obviously, where they ranked Nick Cave doesn't matter since the other four were ranked as well.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 16:42pm

Yeah, this won't have any bearing on the rest of my rankings.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 18:09pm


I figured. I wanted to make sure everyone was on the same page, since the two artists that lose this won't have another chance until next year.

Pantera - 4
Suicide - 3
Tommy James And The Shondells - 2
Neu! - 1

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 20:40pm


revised tiebreaker vote:

Neu!- 4
Suicide- 3
Pantera- 2
Tommy James and the Shondells- 1

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 21:14pm


My Class of 2028 tiebreaker votes...

1. Tommy James & the Shondells – 4 points
2. Pantera – 3 points
3. Neu! – 2 points
4. Suicide – 1 point

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 21:15pm


1.) Tommy James and the Shondells - 4 Points
2.) Pantera - 3 Points
3.) Neu! - 2 Points
4.) Suicide - 1 Point

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 22:27pm


Just wanted to point out that we're already adjusting the Rock Rankings for the latest inductees in the categories other than Performer.

Also, I've been envisioning a project where we determine where a certain act clinched their induction. For example, we would consider The Beatles.

One poster: Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane single

Another poster: Help! album

Another Poster: Rubber Soul Album


Once we have ten voters for an artist, we would then adjust our opinions a bit until one specific era (say, 1964) comes out on top. In the case of The Beatles, they surely would have been Hall-bound without ever doing more than Help! but they obviously changed the entire scope of Rock and Roll after that.

Also, some acts (say, Percy Sledge) could have more than 50% saying they never had the credentials to get in. The list would ultimately look like...

The Beatles - Help! (In Green)
Percy Sledge - never had the credentials (in red)

Is this a project people would be interested in? We'd strictly limit it to Performers inducted into Cleveland.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 23:13pm


Another (easier) way to do it would just be to vote on specific years. We could then have the page be adjusted by the number of years it took the artists to get Hall-worthy credentials from the time of their first record (one for The Sex Pistols) and also by the specific year they got in.

It would make for an interesting page. Someone like Bonnie Raitt comes to mind as probably not being worthy until her comeback-era (some 20 years or so into her career).

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 23:16pm


Well, only one more thing left to do for the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2028. And that is to vote on the four remaining artists to determine which two will be inducted. Fortunately, this is a no-brainer on my end. Thus, here is my tiebreaker ballot.


Pantera - 4
Neu! - 3
Suicide - 2
Tommy James - 1

My two top rankers are one of the better hardcore metal bands of the 1990s, and a highly influential electronic duo from Germany. Suicide are only slightly influential; in all fairness, whom they influenced are more impactful than the influential duo. Regarding Tommy James: I never considered him to be influential . Joan Jett did a much better "Crimson and Clover" than Tommy James did. In addition, Billy Idol had a more definitive "Mony Mony" than the rather loose Tommy James version. In point of fact, The Shondells themselves were never that influential to start with.

There is my ballot then. My thanks and appreciation go out to the website Future Rock Legends for allowing us posters to continue this crown jewel. I do wonder if we could have another induction cycle for 2029 this December. If any of you fellow posters have concerns, let me know.

The first three Pantera albums are wretched, yet the rest are sublime,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 10:39am


If Neu! lose this tiebreaker i'mma cry myself to sleep.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 17:44pm


Casper: I'm really interested in that project! Yet I would rather we go through all of our inductees for our project, year-by-year. Then we are done we could look at the Cleveland inductees that we haven't inducted yet.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 17:47pm


Anyone keep track of the tiebreaker? We can actually call it early if the top two names are way out in front since only the top two are going to be inducted.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 19:42pm


Pantera 46

Tommy James and the Shondells 41
Neu! 41
Suicide 41

Posted by Ian on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 19:44pm


How do we deal with a tie in the tie breaker if that happens? Bigger than normal class? Another tie breaker?

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 19:54pm


Hmmm. We could just let another set of people vote. Given how close it is, I would recommend inducting Pantera and perhaps we could have a "vote for one" of the remaining three?


And no, DarinRG, we never have a bigger class than seven.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 20:03pm


I don't think there ever was a tiebreaker deadline. Let's just keep this running for now.

How about we say the deadline is Saturday at midnight EST (9 PM PST)?

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 20:05pm


Voting will last 3 days and will close at midnight on Saturday

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 02:04am

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 20:11pm


If there is a tie in the tiebreaker, results that tie will be broken by the act that gets the most first place votes, then the most second place votes and so on a so forth. If there is still a tie, we'll cross that bridge then!

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 20:17pm


Guys, someone needs to check my work. I noticed that I counted Greg F twice and somehow had missed Steve Z completely. My count is now somewhat different:

Pantera 44

Tommy James and the Shondells 40
Suicide 40

Neu! 36

Here's what I have down for everyone's vote:

Gassman:
Pantera 4
Suicide 3
Neu! 2
Tommy James and the Shondells 1

DarinRG:
Suicide 4
Neu! 3
Pantera 2
Tommy James and the Shondells 1

Greg F:
Neu! 4
Suicide 3
Pantera 2
Tommy James and the Shondells 1

Tahvo Parvianen:
Neu! 4
Suicide 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Pantera 1

Casper:
Neu! 4
Suicide 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Pantera 1

rockstar23:
Pantera 4
Neu! 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Suicde 1

Paul in KY:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Suicide 3
Pantera 2
Neu! 1

BSLO:
Pantera 4
Suicide 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Neu! 1

Ian:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Pantera 3
Suicide 2
Neu! 1

Jim:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Pantera 3
Suicide 2
Neu! 1

GFW:
Neu! 4
Suicide 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Pantera 1

jtrichey:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Pantera 3
Suicide 2
Neu! 1

Darren:
Pantera 4
Suicide 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Neu! 1

Rick Vendi II:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Pantera 3
Neu! 2
Suicide 1

Steve Z:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Pantera 3
Neu! 2
Suicide 1

Lax29:
Pantera 4
Suicide 3
Neu! 2
Tommy James and the Shondells 1

Sorry about before. Will someone please confirm or correct my results?

Posted by Ian on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 23:14pm


Hmmm.... I've got

Pantera 44
Neu! 42
Suicide 40
Tommy James 40

One of us either shorted or added to Neu!.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 23:45pm


(PART 1)

I checked through each of the individual votes.

According to my calculations, Pantera has 44, Tommy James and the Shondells has 40, Suicide has 39, and Neu! has 37.

There were 16 of us voting - Gassman, DarinRG, Tahvo, Casper, rockstar23, BSLO, Ian, Jim, Paul in KY, GFW, jtrichey, Darren, Greg F, Rick Vendll II, myself (Steve Z), and Lax29

Of those 16, 2 of the voters sent out 2 ballots after realizing the error of having Nick Cave & Belle & Sebastian on there (Paul in KY and Greg F)

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 02:29am


(PART 2)

I only counted the 2nd ballots from Greg F and Paul in KY.

Of the 16 voters, these were their most recent ballots

Gassman:
Pantera 4
Suicide 3
Neu! 2
Tommy James and the Shondells 1

DarinRG:
Suicide 4
Neu! 3
Pantera 2
Tommy James and the Shondells 1

Greg F: ****2nd Ballot
Neu! 4
Suicide 3
Pantera 2
Tommy James and the Shondells 1

Tahvo Parvianen:
Neu! 4
Suicide 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Pantera 1

Casper:
Neu! 4
Suicide 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Pantera 1

rockstar23:
Pantera 4
Neu! 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Suicde 1

Paul in KY: **** 2nd Ballot
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Suicide 3
Pantera 2
Neu! 1

BSLO:
Pantera 4
Suicide 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Neu! 1

Ian:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Pantera 3
Suicide 2
Neu! 1

Jim:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Pantera 3
Suicide 2
Neu! 1

GFW:
Neu! 4
Suicide 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Pantera 1

jtrichey:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Pantera 3
Suicide 2
Neu! 1

Darren:
Pantera 4
Suicide 3
Tommy James and the Shondells 2
Neu! 1

Rick Vendi II:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Pantera 3
Neu! 2
Suicide 1

Steve Z:
Tommy James and the Shondells 4
Pantera 3
Neu! 2
Suicide 1

Lax29:
Pantera 4
Suicide 3
Neu! 2
Tommy James and the Shondells 1

I'm going to break it down by band and voters in groups of 4
So Pantera is 4(gassman)+2(DarinRG)+2(GregF)+1(Tahvo) = 9

9+ 1(casper) + 4(rockstar23) + 2(PaulinKY) + 4(BSLO) = 20

20+ 3(ian) + 3(jim) + 1(gfw) + 3(jtrichey) = 30

30+ 4(darren) + 3(rickvendll2) + 3(stevez) + 4(lax29) = 44

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 02:43am


(PART 3)

Tommy James and the Shondells is

1(gassman) + 1(darinrg) + 1(gregf) + 2(tahvo) = 5

5+ 2(casper) + 2(rockstar23) + 4(paulinky) + 2(bslo) = 15

15+ 4(ian) + 4(jim) + 2(gfw) + 4(jtrichey) = 29

29+ 2(darren) + 4(rickvendell2) + 4(stevez) + 1(lax29) = 40

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 02:48am


Suicide has

3(gassman) + 4(darinrg) + 3(gregf) + 3(tahvo) = 13

13+ 3(casper) + 1(rockstar23) + 3(paulinky) + 3(blso) = 23

23+ 2(ian) + 2(jim) + 3(gfw) + 2(jtrichey) = 32

32+ 3(darren) + 1(rickvendll2) + 1(stevez) + 3(lax29) = 40

Ok, so my bad. Suicide has 40. Meaning that Suicide and Tommy James are tied with 40 points.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 02:55am


Neu! has

2(gassman) + 3(darinrg) + 4(gregf) + 4(tahvo) = 13

13+ 4(casper) + 3(rockstar23) + 1(paulinky) + 1(bslo) = 22

22+ 1(ian) + 1(jim) + 4(gfw) + 1(jtrichey) = 29

29+ 1(darren) + 2(rickvendll2) + 2(stevez) + 2(lax29) = 36

Alright, so my original calculations were a touch off (which is embarrassing - but it is late.) But now I have broken it down for each artist very specifically.

The final tally is:

Pantera - 44
Tommy James & The Shondells - 40
Suicide - 40
Neu! - 36

So Pantera is in and Neu! is out. I guess that means it is between Tommy James & the Shondells and Suicide.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 03:02am


Gassman had posted this about a tie in a tiebreaker - "If there is a tie in the tiebreaker, results that tie will be broken by the act that gets the most first place votes, then the most second place votes and so on a so forth. If there is still a tie, we'll cross that bridge then!"

Tommy James & the Shondells had 6 1st place/4 point votes (Paul in KY, Ian, Jim, jtrichey, Rick Vendll II, Steve Z)

Suicide had 1 1st place/4 point vote (DarinRG)

According to Gassman's rules, I suppose that Tommy James and the Shondells are the winner of the tiebreaker and the seventh inductee of our 2028 class.


Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 03:11am


When I ment Midnight on Saturday, I probably should have clarified it meant Midnight on Sunday after we've had a full Saturday. Hopefully that didn't confuse anyone.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 03:37am


Here's my tie-breaker vote:

Tommy James & the Shondells
Neu!
Suicide
Pantera

Posted by Darrin A on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 04:22am


Steve Z, I noticed an error in your vote tallies for the tiebreaking vote. Namely, I did not rank Suicide as #2 in my depth chart. That honor was bestowed upon Neu!. So, Neu! gets three points, while Suicide gets two points. I even explained why I picked Neu! as part of my final ballot rather than Suicide. Thus, between that clarification and Darrin A submitting his tiebreaker ballot, the tallies need to be amended yet again.

Sorry to clarify this, yet it needed to be corrected,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 08:44am


Oh sheesh, my bad Lax29. It was incredibly late when I wrote that all (I had had to stay up for my roommate's sake - long story.) Anyway, I'm glad that you caught my error. With that and, assuming that I got everyone else's votes correctly added, then Suicide did have 39 and Neu! had 37, before Darrin A's latest ballot. Now I know to never try math that late again.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 11:39am


Ian - I agree with all of the ballots in your count except for Lax. Lax voted:

Pantera - 4
Neu! - 3
Suicide - 2
Tommy James - 1

My count at that point is:

Pantera - 44
Tommy James - 40
Suicide - 39
Neu! - 37

Gassman - The whole midnight thing is why I changed my deadlines to 10 PM. lol

With Darrin A's ballot, my current count (no math required, as I keep track of this stuff in an Excel spreadsheet) is:

Pantera - 45
Tommy James And The Shondells - 44
Suicide - 41
Neu! - 40

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 16:35pm


Over on the Rock Rankings page (http://http://www.futurerocklegends.com/Revisited_Projected_Rankings.php), we're currently discussing re-ranking the performers that have been inducted in the Re-Visited / Projected project using a variation of the ranking method we used for the album ranking project. I'm posting this here to find out if people are interested in participating in this project and if they're interested in doing the re-ranking this year or next year at this time. The more participants we have, the better and more representative the rankings will be.

Here are the details:

This project would only involve the artists that have been inducted into the Re-visited / Project Hall Of Fame (the Blind Ballot HOF is a separate project and should be treated as such to avoid confusion):

After this class, there will be 301 artists inducted into the Revisited and Projected HOF.

My idea is to conduct the Performer Re-ranking using a method similar to what we use in the Album Ranking project. That method works rather smoothly and since artists are easier to evaluate than albums (and there are fewer eligible artists than eligible albums), this project should be an even better fit.

How it would work (all specifics can be adjusted):

1. Anyone who is interested in participating can nominate as many as 25 artists.

2. The artists with the most nominations are put on the ballot. In the album project, this is any album with 4 or more nominations, but depending on participation, that number might be different.

3. Anyone who is interested in participating, whether they submitted nominations or not, can then rank their top artists. If we rank 10 artists per round (30 rounds), voters would rank their top 15 nominated artists. If we rank 15 artists per round (20 rounds), voters would rank their top 20. We could also change the number of artists ranked per round at some point to speed up the process (for example, 15 rounds of 10 and 10 rounds of 15).

4. The ranking scores would be combined to get the overall rankings. At this point we could either use the ranking scores for the final rankings or re-vote with only the selected 10 / 15 artists eligible to determine the final rankings.

5. Each voter would be informed of how many of their previously nominated artists had been ranked. They could then submit that many replacement nominations from the pool of eligible artists to prepare the next round of nominations. During the replacement nomination period, we could also do tiebreaker votes from the previous round.

6. Lather, rinse, repeat until all 301 artists are ranked.

The best way to run this type of project would be to have a set schedule of events, preferably on a one week per round basis. Once we figure out exactly what we want to do we can figure out the schedule. In the album ranking project, it's 2 days for nominations (Ending on Tuesday) and 5 days of voting (Ending on Sunday). If we decide to have a final vote after determining the artists to be ranked, that time could be taken out of the 5 days of voting. The re-vote could also take place at the same time as the next round's nominations.

I would also suggest that we do this re-ranking every year after adding a new Projected HOF class or every other year at the same time.

I'm available to tally the votes and run the re-nomination process, but I would need at least 1 and maybe 2 people as back-ups for weeks when I'm unavailable.

What do you guys think?

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 21:49pm


Tiebreaker:

Suicide 4
Pantera 3
Neu! 2
Tommy James And The Shondells 1


Posted by classicrocker on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 22:42pm


Darren-I like the format and I like the idea of doing an annual re-ranking in conjunction with Projected. I think that each year there may be a slight variance in the voting body and I know that, at least for myself, I'm constantly re-evaluating artists throughout the year, as I'm sure most do. So, I think we could have an interestingly fluid list year to year.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 23:01pm


Based on the revised vote tallies, and DarrenA and classicrocker's votes, I currently have:

Pantera - 48

Tommy James & The Shondells - 45
Suicide - 45

Neu! - 42

Posted by Ian on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 10:27am


Well, it is now after 1:00 EST. I think the tiebreaking voting cycle has expired. Regarding the tiebreaker between Suicide and Tommy James: I took a notice of first place votes for these two acts. Suicide got 2 first place votes, wheras Tommy James got 8 first place votes. So, based on the structure of breaking a tie with first place votes; here then is our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2028.


Performers

Belle & Sebastien
Nick Cave
Jim Croce
Wanda Jackson
Tommy James
Pantera
The Specials

Non-Performers

Glyn Johns
Art Rupe

Influences

Jacques Brel
Karlheinz Stockhausen

Sidemen

Jack Nitzsche
Philip Paul

Also, we will include The Bad Seeds alongside Nick Cave. And we also will include The Shondells alongside Tommy James.

And there we have it, I assume. The Class of 2028. Quite a reasonable class if I say so myself. If I did this wrong, let me know and this can be rectified.

Time to re-rank the rock rankings (say that 4 times fast!):),

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 13:34pm


Thanks for the post the results Lax29!

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 14:40pm


While I would prefer waiting a year to re-rank the artists, I'm sure I would participate if everyone wants to do it now.

Posted by jtrichey on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 15:25pm


Gentlemen (& ladies) on this site:

A few days ago, the subject of what to do after the Album Rankings came up. Obviously, I had a feeling that someone would bring up the idea of re-ranking the Performers, at it was already mentioned some ways back.

At the same time, I seized on something that was mentioned over a year ago, and took it on myself to do a little inquiring. Over a yr. ago, an idea was floated around that we might attempt our own record reviews of the albums we've inducted into our Album Project. It drew some interest, but everyone seemed to want the immediate payoff of Artist Rankings. I quietly put it aside myself, but never forgot about it.

Initially I was under the impression that we'd only be able to handle one thing at a time here, but the site in general has been juggling multiple projects quite easily. Hence, I wish to bring this up again. I am not discounting myself from the new Ranking project, as my interest has grown quite considerably in the past yr. However, I also feel we could easily do that, And try a few album reviews as well.

I already broached the idea w/the Site Admin., & he says that in order to do it, we would simply have to write reviews right on the artist pages. He noted how the proposed Induction speeches did not necessarily go off well, & he has made no promise that something might be formed out of this. However, he did say if we wrote album reviews directly on the Artist pages themselves, he would see if he could whip something up (a section, I presume).

I wish to enquire as to how many of you would be interested in adding this in addition to an artist re-ranking? It only takes a little bit to re-rank the artists, & I figured this might be a nice addition to what we already have going here. Give it a thought, and let me know.

Thanks. :)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 15:45pm


I don't see why it would be fair to induct Tommy James & The Shondells for having more first place votes. If anything, the fact that they have more first place votes than Suicide means they must have MORE last place votes than Suicide in order for the numbers to even out.

Shouldn't the tie-breaker simply be the artist that was ranked higher on more ballots? I've got Suicide winning by a margin of 10 to 8 after a quick glance.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 19:05pm


Casper: If you want we can have a vote off between the two?

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 19:27pm


But the vote-off wouldn't even be necessary....if Suicide finished higher than Tommy James & The Shondells on more ballots in the tiebreaker (which it looks like they did), then we know they'd win it.

Really wish there had been on more ballot, then the decision would have been made for us. We're definitely in new territory though as that four-way tiebreaker was insanely close.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 19:31pm


I still don't see why we can't induct both in the case of a tie. I know we've never done it, but we've never been in this situation before. It's not going to kill us to have a class of eight for once.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 20:39pm


I'd also add that as a Suicide supporter I'm not in favor of any solution where they're suddenly given Tommy James' spot. I don't want to see them get in that way and it's not fair to TJ's supporters.

I'd only be in favor of inducting both or just sticking with Tommy James and trying again next year with Suicide.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 20:48pm


According to my tallies.....


First place votes:

Tommy James 7
Suicide 2


Last place votes:

Tommy James 5
Suicide 3


Higher ranking:

Suicide 10
Tommy James 8



The options would be:

1. Induct just Suicide for winning 2 out of 3 categories
2. Induct both
3. Induct neither
4. Induct just Tommy James for having the most first place votes even though he has the most last place votes and was ranked higher on less ballots


It seems to me option #4 is the least logical of the choices given the circumstances.

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 21:21pm


Maybe for just this one time, we should have eight inductees. That way, the supporters of Tommy James and the supporters of Suicide can peacefully co-exist. To induct neither is a stupid move; and to induct just one will be problematic. So, if possible, the Class of 2028 should have eight performers inductees.

Cannot think of another way to fix the issue,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 22:09pm


I'm in total agreement, Lax. A class of eight is the fairest solution to both camps and would stand as a precident should we face this situation again.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 22:35pm


4. Induct just Tommy James for having the most first place votes even though he has the most last place votes and was ranked higher on less ballots


It seems to me option #4 is the least logical of the choices given the circumstances.

Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 21:21pm
---------------------------------

The least logical except for the fact that the rule ahead of time stated that the second tiebreaker would be the most first place votes. Therefore it is the most logical, since it was spelled out in black and white.

I don't really care if there are 8 inductees, but it is definitely not right to claim that Suicide somehow won that tiebreaker.

Posted by jtrichey on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 22:57pm


A vote off would be kinda pointless, as I'm not dogmatic enough for TJ (or against Suicide, who I'm ambivalent towards) to watch that happen.

Just let em both in, it gets both snubs out of the way, makes our Hall a little more well-rounded (60s psychadelic group and Electronic protopunk, which would make sense if some are planning a push for LCD Soundsystem next year), and allows us to move onto bigger and better things. (I'm still pushing for 90s R&B and Garth Brooks, damnit! lol))

Posted by Jim on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 00:40am


I'm going to stick with my original procedure and rule that Tommy James and The Shondells gets inducted. I stated the rule before we officially knew we had a tie, so I think that it would only be fair to keep it that way. Just to clarify, I'm not gaining anything by making this decision as I actually had Suicide on my ballot and not Tommy James. I just think it would be fair to go forth with the rule I initially put in place.

If we want as a group, we can figure out a better tie in a tiebreaker situation for the next rounds so we don't have this problem again.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 03:12am


"The least logical except for the fact that the rule ahead of time stated that the second tiebreaker would be the most first place votes. Therefore it is the most logical, since it was spelled out in black and white." -jtrichey

If you wire up a building, then throw a lightswitch and you see the lights flicker do you go "Duhhh, the wiring was already in place before I turned on the lights so this is how it will stay even though the existing wiring is obviously defective. Maybe I'll fix it next week or next year and if the building burns down before then, oh well."

When something is found to be obviously defective or inadequate, you don't ignore the problem. You fix it, not tomorrow or next month. Pronto.


Gassman- Nobody here opposed inducting both Tommy James and Suicide. I don't see how doing that would have screwed over anybody. The rule could have been amended going forward, and everybody would have been satisfied.

Posted by classicrocker on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 12:01pm


Personally, I don't think it is defective to have the tiebreaker be the most first place votes. To me, that is at least a reasonable tiebreaker. Since it was stated ahead of time, I don't think it is a problem. No building on fire here IMO.

Posted by jtrichey on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 16:16pm


Gassman's project, Gassman's rule. I do think it's the least logical and I'd argue against Suicide if it were the other way around, even. However, that was what we had before we began the tiebreaker and we can change it next year. I'm sure Suicide will be a lock now for our next induction year (they've become our Dave Clark Five, arguably getting more votes than one of the other inductees, but succumbing to a rule that was already set in place).

What makes this all the more ironic though (as a Suicide supporter) is that I support the case of Pantera more than I do Tommy James & The Shondells. I strategically put Pantera last because I figured they'd get more points than Tommy James & The Shondells. I was right, but it backfired greatly.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 16:18pm


There's nothing wrong with a rule to decide based on whom received the most 1st place votes as long as whoever has the most first place votes doesn't also have the most last place votes. If that's the case then the tiebreaker should be who was ahead on the most ballots. And if that's also a tie, then I don't see a problem saying the winner is whoever had the most first place votes. If everything is a tie then induct all involved.


"Nah, I had changed my mind about there being a voting update. Plus, this isn't my project. I didn't create it and it's all of ours. I was just hearing people out and voicing my own opinion......"

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 22:00pm


So whose project is it? Gassman's or "all of ours?" If it's the latter then shouldn't the issue be put to a vote like others have been in the past?

If you programmed a GPS device to map out a trip you were taking and soon after pulling out of your driveway you discovered a flaw in the program that would take you from the main road and off a pier to the bottom of the ocean, would you continue on your way and not change course because the trip was already planned out that way by the defective device before you started out? All I can say is if you're that obstinate then be sure to pack an oxygen tank, a pair of goggles and some flippers cause you're gonna need em when your car flies off the pier and becomes a boat.

Bon Voyage!

Posted by classicrocker on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 20:55pm


Seems a bit overdramatic though doesn't it? Tommy James getting in and Suicide not is a building on fire or driving off a pier?

Look, if a round of voting generates a tie, it does not make logical sense to base a tiebreaker off of anything from that same voting. The artist on more first place ballots by definition will lose out on points somewhere else, or the artists would never be tied. However, using first place votes makes as much or more sense than anything else in that fashion. Who cares who had the most last place votes? We aren't voting someone off the island, we are voting someone in.

Finally though, again, a tiebreaker within a tiebreaker is not going to make sense no matter what you do. If we cannot induct 8 for whatever reason, then the rule was in place and nobody said anything about it before hand.

Posted by jtrichey on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 21:23pm


I'm sorry that I made such a big fuss, but it's the rule I had in place before we knew the results and the one thing I won't budge on is having 7 inductees. It has been a point of emphases that I've had from the beginning and I think it's important that we keep that the same. We should just move on a figure out set of rules so we don't have to deal with the issue in the future.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 21:38pm


I just found out something interesting. The median is the exact middle value in a set of numbers. In other words, half the data is higher and half the data is lower than the median. It turns out that when the median is calculated for the tiebreaker rankings that Suicide has a higher median than Tommy James.

Here's the ranking data rearranged in numerical order....

Suicide:

1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4

Median = 3


Tommy James:

1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,4,4,4,4,4,4,4

Median = 2


So now out of 4 different perspectives:

# first place votes
# last place votes
# ballots with higher ranking
median


Suicide wins 3 out of 4.

Still wanna just induct Tommy James?? Or should we induct both given the above circumstances?


I vote both, do I hear a second??

Posted by classicrocker on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 21:47pm


I second classicrocker's idea to induct both Tommy James and Suicide. Now, if we have to only induct seven performers, I will go for Tommy James on the basis of he getting more first place votes. By concurrence, I will assuredly have Suicide on my 2029 ballot. Yet, inducting eight performers should not mean we have scrwed up the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. Indeed, in our Revisited Class of 1989, we inducted eight sidemen. So there is precedence in this matter. None the less, the 2028 inductees should be on the top of this page as soon as possible. That way, we can move on into re-ranking the Rock Rankings. This has gone on far enough.

So too has this post:),

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 22:02pm


Thank you Lax29. The Cleveland Hall has inducted as many as 15 and as few as 5 in a year, so I don't understand why our number couldn't be higher than 7 in some exceptional circumstances like we have today. What's the travesty?

Posted by classicrocker on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 22:25pm


The decision has already been made, there will be no vote, we're moving on.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 22:30pm


I don't see any argument for changing the rules when you don't like the results. The second tiebreaker was in place before voting began and we were reminded of what it was during the tiebreaker voting. Whether or not you think the rule is fair or makes sense, you don't change the rules to engineer the result that you want. If you want to change the rules, you have to figure out the details before you know what's at stake.

So, if it's all said and done, what do we want to do about tiebreakers in future years? I say we stop using the rank all the tiebreaker candidates method and just go to a straight tiebreaker vote. If there are 4 artists eligible for 2 spots, everyone gets 2 votes. If there's still a tie after that, do another tiebreaker. If there's still a tie to resolve after 3 (or 5 or whatever we decide is the stalemate number), flip a coin and make the loser a voting priority next year for everyone who's interested.

I've observed dozens of tiebreakers in these projects over the years and I think the current method is flawed for a couple reasons:

1. This method not only allows voters to reward their favorites, it allows them to punish their least favorites.

2. This method forces you to give points to artists you might not support at all. Granted, it's only one or two points, but it still counts.

3. With public voting, posted results and known deadlines, people can craft their tiebreaker vote strategically to make sure that they engineer the results they want if the results are close. This might not have been the same ballot they would have cast if they voted blindly.

4. Most importantly, this method celebrates mediocrity over excellence. In the case of large tiebreakers, the top artists are rarely the artist that gets the most first place votes because those artists also tend to get a lot of last place votes from voters want their preferred artist to be voted in instead. The artists that tend to win tiebreakers are the artists that finish in the middle of everyone's ballots. Do we want our tiebreakers to be won by the artists the most voters are most passionate about (one way or the other) or the mushy middle that no one loves all that much but no one hates that much either?

We're not going backward on this issue, but I think going forward in future years we need to consider adopting a straight-forward tiebreaker voting system. One vacancy, one vote, two vacancies, two votes.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 23:14pm


Also, to address jtrichey's previous concerns regarding front-runner bias, maybe we want to have nominations to make a set ballot before everyone starts voting.

It won't prevent the first voters from having their artists spotlighted first, but it will allow everyone to know what their choices are.

If you knew that everyone was selecting from the same list of 40 artists rather than the hundreds of artists that haven't been inducted yet, it might discourage you from jumping on the first artists that you like because they're the front-runners and you assume that anyone who isn't on the board yet didn't have a chance.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 23:21pm


For future tiebreakers I am fine with Darren's idea. I don't have real strong feelings on the matter. There will almost certainly be ties again after that process, so there will need to be one more step figured out. I am actually OK with leaving it as-is honestly.

As to the second issue I do have strong feelings. I have been participating in just about everything for a year now, but this is my first time participating in the BIG project around here, the projected Rock hall. I have to say the method drives me absolutely bonkers. This and the album project inductions, IMO, just don't work like they should with no nomination process. I'm not sure if certain posters have a monopoly of influence by proclaiming who they will vote for and then getting their ballot out ASAP, but I suspect that it is the case.

The Cleveland rock hall uses a nominee phase, why don't we? The nominee phase also works well in the song project and the blind ballot. To be clear though, I am not necessarily in favor of a blind ballot with the Hall Projected.

Posted by jtrichey on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 23:57pm


To clarify, I don't think we should have a blind ballot for this project.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 00:06am


Gassman,

Unless FRL has made you an administrator or a moderator, then anyone can hold a vote if you want to.

No one needs you to budge on anything.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 00:15am


I meant, if *they want to.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 00:18am


"I don't see any argument for changing the rules when you don't like the results. The second tiebreaker was in place before voting began and we were reminded of what it was during the tiebreaker voting. Whether or not you think the rule is fair or makes sense, you don't change the rules to engineer the result that you want."

It is patently obvious to anyone with an 8th grade education that Suicide prevailed in the tiebreaker. I repeat, nobody was arguing that Tommy James should be left out because the existing rule was flawed. Thus nobody who voted for Suicide is trying to "engineer" the results the way they want because Tommy James WOULDN'T be excluded. They'd BOTH be inducted. Why do you guys keep acting like somebody is going to be screwed here?

In the real world if you see a problem with something that's happening, you don't ignore the problem. You fix it. Fixing the flawed rule would not screw anybody. If you change a rule after the fact and somebody is adversely affected then, yes, that's not acceptable. But in this case changing the rule after the fact doesn't negatively affect anybody; and it can be argued it rectifies an unfair outcome as far as Suicide is concerned because it was demonstrated that they deserved to win based on several real world observations on the ground.

"...you have to figure out the details before you know what's at stake."

No you don't. If your tires are leaking, you pull off the road and fix the problem before you drive off a bridge. Only a deluded infant would continue to proceed under such adverse circumstances.


So cutting to the chase, you have 2 options.

1. Keep in place a rule that has proven to be flawed which adversely affects 1 of the involved parties.

2. Recognize the existing rule is problematic and change it NOW, like a mature adult so that the party that stands to lose because of the original flawed rule is not being screwed while at the same time allowing the first party to keep what was given them as a result of the old stupid rule so they aren't hung out to dry.


Now I ask you, which choice would be the most reasonable? It seems to me only an egotistical maniac on some kind of power play who doesn't want to admit their rule was flawed would choose option #1.

Anybody interested in fairness and upholding objective reality would chose option #2. Why the bloody hell would you choose the first option? Choose the option that does the most good.

Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 01:13am


classicrocker, do you have some sort of vendetta against Tommy James and the Shondells? Or are you that big of a supporter of Suicide? Cause you're being really insistent about this. Pretty much everyone else, even people who were supporters of Suicide in the tiebreaker (DarinRG, Casper) have said that while it would be cool for both to be inducted, that at this point its water under the bridge, and that's what next year is for.

The tie-breaker rule is just fine, no matter how many analogies you use to try and discredit it. The tires not leaking, the buildings not on fire, the act you supported just lost a tiebreaker, that's all.

Honestly, just induct them both, it ends the argument and opens things up for a clean slate of 7 next year, rather than 6 + Suicide.

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 01:25am


The whole point of this project was to have consistency year-after-year unlike the other institution...it will mortify me to have eight inductees. Just let Suicide wait another year to have their name on a web page from which they'll receive nothing.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 02:39am


Hell, can't we even have a rule under these circumstances that an act simply is inducted the next year if they end up tied after the tiebreaker? We can just list Suicide now under 2029 or consider them a lock next year and just have a six name ballot. There's nothing wrong with that and it will save everyone the arguing and time wasted.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 02:41am


Hey gents!

I saw all the arguing going on over here, & it really got me. I feel kind of sad, as I forgot to include a ballot this yr. Who knows, maybe I could've helped out in some small way.

I will say this: for a project that's supposed to have some level of fun, you guys seem to be taking this Way too seriously...

That statement is open for anyone to read, & take as needed - especially w/a nice deep breath or two ;)


Meanwhile, I'd like to re-post this, from Sunday afternoon:


A few days ago, the subject of what to do after the Album Rankings came up. Obviously, I had a feeling that someone would bring up the idea of re-ranking the Performers, at it was already mentioned some ways back.

At the same time, I seized on something that was mentioned over a year ago, and took it on myself to do a little inquiring. Over a yr. ago, an idea was floated around that we might attempt our own record reviews of the albums we've inducted into our Album Project. It drew some interest, but everyone seemed to want the immediate payoff of Artist Rankings. I quietly put it aside myself, but never forgot about it.

Initially I was under the impression that we'd only be able to handle one thing at a time here, but the site in general has been juggling multiple projects quite easily. Hence, I wish to bring this up again. I am not discounting myself from the new Ranking project, as my interest has grown quite considerably in the past yr. However, I also feel we could easily do that, And try a few album reviews as well.

I already broached the idea w/the Site Admin., & he says that in order to do it, we would simply have to write reviews right on the artist pages. He noted how the proposed Induction speeches did not necessarily go off well, & he has made no promise that something might be formed out of this. However, he did say if we wrote album reviews directly on the Artist pages themselves, he would see if he could whip something up (a section, I presume).

I wish to enquire as to how many of you would be interested in adding this in addition to an artist re-ranking? It only takes a little bit to re-rank the artists, & I figured this might be a nice addition to what we already have going here. Give it a thought, and let me know.

Thanks. :)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 05:05am


I was out yesterday. I say Tommy James & Shondells in & Suicide waits until next year.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 09:22am


All "controversy" aside, I like this class. It's fairly well-rounded and I don't think any of the inducted artists are a stretch.

If I'm allowed to look ahead to next year, my ballot will likely be fairly similar consisting of:

2 alternative/more influential than popular artists
1 90's rock artist
1 RRHOF artist that we haven't inducted
1 metal band
1 R&B/rap artist
1 swing vote
1 classic rock artist

From the 3 artists on my ballot from last year that weren't inducted, I will probably only vote for Bauhaus again. The support for No Doubt and The Offspring seems to have dried up, and there doesn't seem to be much desire from the voting body to hit the snubs of the 90's yet. Fair enough.

With regards to the rest of my expected support, I am currently leaning toward:

Alt Band #2 - Suicide (it's only fair), Gang of Four, The Fall, Fugazi, The Sonics, Throbbing Gristle

Metal - System of a Down, Ozzy Osbourne, Anthrax, Korn, Dream Theater

R&B/Rap - Kanye West, A Tribe Called Quest, Nas, De La Soul, Salt N Pepa, The Commodores, Kool & the Gang, Mary J. Blige, Mariah Carey, Beyonce

RRHOF - The Dells, The Moonglows

90's Rock - No Doubt, The Offspring, Dave Matthews Band, PJ Harvey, Tori Amos, Sublime, Alanis Morissette, Jeff Buckley

Classic Rock - The Guess Who, Boston, Foreigner, Styx, Pat Benatar, Huey Lewis & the News

This isn't set in stone, and I'm open to suggestions. I agree as Cheesecrop says that this project should be fun, so let's just move beyond this and start thinking about the next class :).

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 15:12pm


Oops, ignore the "1 swing vote" line. Meant to delete that.

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 15:13pm


I'll probably lean toward voting for an industrial act, a metal act, electro act, a country rock act, classic rock act, rap/r&b act, & a newly eligible.

For industrial- Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, White Zombie

Metal- Ozzy, Anthrax, System of a Down, Dream Theater, Anvil

electro- The Chemical Brothers, Moby, Aphex Twin, Stereolab, Fatboy Slim, LCD Soundsystem

Country rock/folk- Poco, Lucinda Williams, Gillian Welch, Steve Earle, Ryan Adams

Classic Rock- Montrose, Rainbow, Styx, Pat Benatar, Iron Butterfly

Rap/R&B- De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, Mariah Carey, Mary J. Blige, Toni Braxton, Teena Marie

Newly Eligible- Kayne West, Animal Collective, Arcade Fire, TV on the Radio

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 15:45pm


Next year's ballot is quite a bit away, however my immediate preferences are going to be for the artists I voted for this round who didn't make it in (namely Bauhaus, Suicide, Neu! and the Spencer Davis Group). Not quite sure if I'll give a vote to all four, but we will see (Suicide is the only one I'm 100% sure on, the events of this round coming to mind). Other artists I have my eye on that immediately come to mind are Steve Earle, the Tokens and the Pogues all of which narrowly missed receiving a vote from me this round.


Some other names on my radar right now:

The 13th Floor Elevators, Gary Numan, Madness, Cliff Richard and the Shadows, Throbbing Gristle, Neutral Milk Hotel, Blue Oyster Cult, the Crystals, Einsturzende Neubauten, Sigur Ros, the Sonics, Midnight Oil, Billy Bragg, the Misfits, Petula Clark, the Stranglers, Tindersticks, Poco, UFO, Uriah Heep, the Birthday Party, the Verve, the Move, Slade, the Dells, Manfred Mann, Cabaret Voltaire, Rory Gallagher, the Moonglows, Joe South, Johnny Rivers, the Monks, the Turtles, Wishbone Ash, the Shangri-Las, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Them, the Troggs, the Flatlanders, Chris Rea, Jack Scott, Alabama, Johnny Winter, the Flamin' Groovies, Moby Grape, the Vogues, Desmond Dekker and the Aces, the Penguins, Serge Gainsbourg and Buddy Knox and His Rhythm Orchids (not in that order), and probably a few others I'm forgetting.

And I'll be pushing for Lonnie Donegan as an Influence. I don't currently have plans to vote for Non-Performers since I'm pretty much out of N-Ps I care enough about. Sidemen, we will see.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 16:15pm


Oh yeah, I knew I forgot something:

For Performers add this year's newly eligible, the Black Keys and next year's newly eligible, Arcade Fire.

Fritz Pfleumer should be getting my Non-Performer vote, so ignore that bit about me not voting for Non-Performers next round.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 16:23pm


For non-performers I'm considering: Richard Barret, Neil Bogart, Richard Perry, Van Dyke Parks

For Influence: Amos Milburn, Johnnie Ray,

For sidmen: Tommy Bolin, The Dixie Flyers, Cornell Dupree, Bob Babbitt

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 17:24pm


My ballot next year bill be pretty heavy on newly eligible artists. Kanye West and Arcade Fire are locks for my ballot. With Animal Collective, Beyonce and TV on the Radio as possibilities. I'll probably give another vote to LCD Soundsystem and might consider The Black Keys from this year.

To locks for the remaining spots will go to Suicide and Dave Matthews Band. The rest of the ballot will be filled by the fallowing: System of a Down, A Tribe Called Quest, Boston, Korn, De La Soul, No Doubt, Lou Reed, Ozzy Osbourne, Elliot Smith, Modest Mouse, Nas or Mariah Carey.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 18:00pm


I wasn't really around yesterday either, but the reason I didn't really put up a fight is because I'm the one who asked during the tiebreaker what would happen if we had another tie. I was given a definitive answer by Gassman then and I didn't raise any objections at the time (nor did anyone else that I recall), so I think I'd look like a real asshole if I did so now. Because of that I have no quarrel with the final decision.

That said, I think that classicrocker and Casper have more than adequately illustrated why we need to amend the tie in a tie-breaker rule going forward. (Highest placement on more ballots or inclusive induction seem the fairest to me.)

Most importantly, I just checked my iPod and all nine of my Suicide albums are still there. Life is still good.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 18:08pm


Next year Suicide, Neu! and Bauhaus are my definite locks. The Chemical Brothers, Bad Brains, the Black Keys, Siouxsie & the Banshees and Lou Reed are also on my radar off the top of my head. I'm supportive of LCD Soundsystem, but there's no way that I personally could vote for them ahead of Suicide, so I'll have to see how that goes.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 18:15pm


I'm not being compensated to be here. Neither is anyone else as far as I know. So the fun factor is obviously what keeps us coming back. Sometimes the competition can become a little too intense and the fun aspect of it can turn into a distant memory like a fight in a hockey game. But no one should take anything said too personally. The rules I think should be kept at a minimum, and stridency should be avoided. Saying the hell with the rules and inducting both of them would have been more fun to me; but everybody's definition of fun varies, apparently.

Congratulations to Tommy James and Suicide.

It's over.

Hey everybody, we're all going to get laid.....

Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 22:07pm


Congrats to Tommy James and the Shondells. Suicide seems to have good support for next year.

Next year, please please please consider a Punk act - Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Misfits, the Sonics. All hugely influential in their own right. With them going in, I'd be more inclined to vote for a late act, such as the Offspring. I hate to sound annoying about this topic, but I just don't want them to get forgotten is all.

We'll see. We always come out with a great induction class, so I'm not really worried. I also want to take the time out and say thank you to you all. A lot of these bands and artists I would not have known about before coming to this site, and many have grown to be some of my favorites. You've all been incredibly helpful in broadening my musical taste.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 23:52pm


Kanye and Arcade Fire will most likely be locks on my ballot for next year.

I'll be pushing for one rap act, either A Tribe Called Quest, Nas or Salt n Pepa strike me as next in line.

I will also be likely voting for Neu!

Also, is anyone willing to vote for the Shangri-Las?

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 10.17.12 @ 01:36am


Kanye and Arcade Fire will most likely be locks on my ballot for next year.

I'll be pushing for one rap act, either A Tribe Called Quest, Nas or Salt n Pepa strike me as next in line.

I will also be likely voting for Neu!

Also, is anyone willing to vote for the Shangri-Las?

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 10.17.12 @ 01:36am


"Also, is anyone willing to vote for the Shangri-Las?"

I might be. I can't say for sure yet, but I'll definitely be considering them.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 10.17.12 @ 03:16am


"Also, is anyone willing to vote for the Shangri-Las?"

The Shangri-Las are on my shortlist; unless there's a significant push for Captain Beefheart to take up my 1960s/late-1970s slot, they're on my ballot.

I'm planning on voting again for the Commodores and George Michael; and pretty much committed to adding Kanye West, Beyonce and LCD Soundsystem on my ballot. If I vote for the Shangri-Las, and throw my weight behind Suicide, in recognition of how awkward things got this past run, that pretty much locks me up with a year to spare.

Non-Performers will be roughly the same, unless I swap Lester Bangs in for Lee Hazelwood; and I'm seriously considering a push for the Roots as a Sideman nominee (they've never gotten much traction as a main performer). As of right now, I have way too many Influence candidates to narrow down just yet.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 10.17.12 @ 09:08am


Really early to be thinking next year, but I would have Arcade Fire, The Offspring & probably Kanye on my ballot.

That would leave 4 openings. Did not initially vote for Suicide & will have to check out more of their stuff before I could commit to voting for them in a non-tiebreaker manner.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.17.12 @ 12:38pm


I'm definitely voting for Kanye next year, and Neu! will be making a return.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 10.19.12 @ 15:08pm


From the list of previously mentioned artists:

Suicide - I'll definitely vote for them next year.

Kanye West - Kanye definitely has my vote. One of the most dynamic artists of the last decade.

Arcade Fire - Another dynamic 21st century artist, another definite vote.

LCD Soundsystem


I would consider these artists for my remaining votes:

T.V. On The Radio - An amazing band and totally worthy of consideration, but other than Gassman and myself, is anyone else considering voting for them?

Fugazi - Would anyone consider a joint induction for Minor Threat / Fugazi?

Nas
The Black Keys
System Of A Down
Lou Reed
Modest Mouse
Siouxsie And The Banshees
Ozzy Osbourne
Korn
Salt N Pepa
Beyonce
The Dave Matthews Band
PJ Harvey
Tori Amos
Sublime
The Guess Who
Pat Benatar
White Zombie
Mary J. Blige


Assorted notes:

No Doubt - Definitely an important mid-90s artist and the front-running artist from their genre, but they strike me as a bit of a one-album wonder.

The Offspring - They are way down the ladder of 90s artists as far as I'm concerned and there are a lot of great punk bands that are more deserving (Social Distortion, Rancid, etc.). Also, their willingness to record terrible gimmick songs and then release them as singles and get defined by their terrible gimmick songs instead of their straight up rock songs (are they more well known for "Come Out And Play" or "Pretty Fly (For A White Guy)"?) knocks them down a lot in my opinion.

Boston - Another artist that's a bit of a one-album wonder. It was a great album, but also the ultimate triumph of corporate rock and post-production tweaking.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.19.12 @ 21:33pm


While I have no definitive ballot yet, I almost certainly will be voting for Arcade Fire.

LCD Soundsystem is probable.

From your list Darren, I could vote for some/all of:
Ozzy
Pat Benatar
The Guess Who

There are some artists that got voted into the Blind Ballot project that are not in here yet, and I figure that might be a good place to start some support for:
Midnight Oil
Slade
Sweet
Bill Withers
The Chemical Brothers (there is already a swell of support for them)
Foreigner
Phil Collins
Faith No More
Manfred Mann
Three Dog Night
the fore-mentioned The Guess Who

So a very preliminary ballot might see
The Guess Who
Bill Withers
Arcade Fire
Ozzy Osbourne
The Chemical Brothers
Slade
Midnight Oil

Posted by jtrichey on Friday, 10.19.12 @ 23:35pm


Would there any interest in voting for Animal Collective next year?

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 10.22.12 @ 18:19pm


I'm considering voting for Animal Collective but I've already got Kanye and Arcade Fire as first ballot votes. I dunno, Great as are they don't really scream first ballot inductee to me. Especially compared to the other two. I may still throw them a vote eventually though.

Posted by rockstar23 on Monday, 10.22.12 @ 19:32pm


"T.V. On The Radio - An amazing band and totally worthy of consideration, but other than Gassman and myself, is anyone else considering voting for them?"

-I'd support them. It's gonna be a competitive ballot though.


Also, I see Beyonce is being strongly considered by others but why not Mariah Carey who has been in the industry longer (going on 20+ years) achieved the same amount of fame and respect (if not more as she actually writes her own material and has had a string of well-respected albums in the 90s, plus a career renaissance in the mid 00s). I don't see myself voting for either next year but it's just curious that one may possibly inducted straight away while the other has barely received consideration.

Posted by rockstar23 on Monday, 10.22.12 @ 19:38pm


T.V. on the Radio is a band that I would support up the road. The reason that I've been cautious about jumping on newly eligibles the past few years is that we're far enough ahead of ourselves that it's hard to read how revered some of these bands will really be in 10-15 years. I suspect that the Black Keys, LCD Soundsystem or Arcade Fire will probably hold up over time, but will TV on the Radio? Probably, and I hope so, but I'm not totally certain either.

On the flip side of that, I'll use a band like Tegan and Sara as an example. They don't belong in the conversation here in 2012, but they seem to be on a career trajectory that could put them in the conversation as a legitimate left field pick 2-3 albums from now.

So, yeah, there are some recently eligibles that I support, but I'm proceeding cautiously with them.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.22.12 @ 20:32pm


I think Animal Collective actually has a better case than Arcade Fire. They have a more original sound and a very strong track record over the last five albums which I think most critics would say trump Arcade Fire's three overall (granted, let Arcade Fire release to more records and it will be much closer).

Arcade Fire is a choice that I will gladly vote for and would easily make my Top 20 acts not inducted here, but it's perhaps still a little early. I'm not sure what makes them more deserving than The Fall or Suicide or Wire, etc. But I'm not going to avoid voting for them because of that line of reasoning.

Kanye West is a slam dunk. He'll have my vote regardless just to be safe. Easily in the Top 10 Hip Hop artists and probably the greatest album act in Hip Hop history.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10.22.12 @ 22:56pm


The Decemberists are the act that makes me most question Arcade Fire's candidacy. The Decemberists are another baroque pop act making grand statements with a consistently great track record. Seems like their career value would be easily comparable to Arcade Fire.

A similar comparison in terms of amount of output would be LCD Soundsystem. Like Arcade Fire, they put out three wildly acclaimed proper albums. I'd say Sound of Silver is roughly held on the same level of respect as The Suburbs, although Funeral is obviously held in higher esteem than anything in LCD's catalog.

So based on critical consensus...

1. Arcade Fire - Funeral
2. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
3. Arcade Fire - Suburbs
4/5. LCD Soundsystem - ST and This Is Happening
6. Arcade Fire - Neon Bible

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10.22.12 @ 23:00pm


Have seen both The Decemberists & Arcade Fire in concert. Tremendous acts both. LCD Sounssystem I have not yet seen. Have their album 'Sound of Silver' & it is an excellent album.

I think next year I will also probably vote for Muse as well.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10.23.12 @ 07:37am


"LCD Sounssystem I have not yet seen."

Sadly, you probably won't get the chance because they broke up after their last tour. It was a deliberate "go out on top" sort of move, so it's not as bad as it could have been.

Animal Collective is a great band, but there are a lot of current indie acts ahead of them.

Mariah Carey before Beyonce, definitely.

I would also consider The Decemberists as HOF worthy, but they have the same obscurity problem as T.V. On The Radio. If the support is there at some point, they both have my vote.

Also, if anyone is interested, we've begun the Performers re-ranking project over on the Rankings site:

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/Revisited_Projected_Rankings.php

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.30.12 @ 13:56pm


Like Darin, I'm a bit more cautious about newer acts than others. Mainly because for some of these bands, I don't feel their entire story has been told yet, as well as the potential of inducting a flash in the pan at their point of biggest popularity. In essence, we're kinda predicting the future, and sometimes even we can get it wrong :)(After all, I remember some people on this site hailing Kings of Leon as a HOF act a little while ago cause they were on the rise, and since they've taken a hiatus that has killed their momentum and seem to be in that "flash in the pan" catergory). However, the four acts discussed have quite strong cases to be considered already:

The Black Keys have a decade of strong material throughout the 2000s as well as their recent explosion in popularity, so I have no problem with them getting in quick.

Kanye West, well that goes without saying.

LCD Soundsystem seem to have made a smart move in going out on top, so I say they're ready to be judged. Although they probably should wait for Suicide to get in next year (Cause that prediction goes without saying, lol)

Arcade Fire have quite strong material, but I think they need another instant classic to solidfy their spot as first balloters. I really can't complain though, cause as a whole they're worthy.

I'm not really a big fan of Mariah Carey, but looking at the talent (both singing and songwriting), the influence,the massive impact she's had, and the precedence (Whitney Houston) its hard for me to say she's not worthy. In fact, I'd say she's about 5-10 years overdue (She at least should've gotten in fairly quick after Houston).

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 10.30.12 @ 17:18pm


I am posting tonight for a number of reasons. First, I have not lost any power, nor has my house and those I love been injured or broken. As many of you know, I live in New York. I was lucky this time: one of the 10% in the East Coast relatively unscathed. Yet, there is a recovery going on. Life in the state should be back to its unique routine within a day or so. To those on Future Rock Legends that have been affected by Perfect Storm 2012 (Sandy), I heartfelt sympathies and well wishes on being safe and secure with yourself and others.

Now, onto what my 2029 ballot might look like. I know we have at most a year to consider these likely inductees. I would prefer probably to have the 2029 ballot in December as some form of a Christmas present to the site. Yet, it will likely be September/October 2013. Fortunately, some artists that began their importance in 2003 will be eligible.

My ballot will in all likelihood have Kanye West and Arcade Fire as the first-timers. Suicide will also be on my ballot, as I would think others will have the duo on their ballots as well. I am also partial to Eric Woolfson/Alan Parsons/The Alan Parsons Project getting inducted. I think Mariah Carey should also be included, and I may likely have her on my ballot. I will include Neu!, since it seemed rather odd that the duo were not inducted this time out. As for the seventh Performer inductee: I should not be the only poster that considers Sarah McLachlan worthy of induction, right? McLachlan's career and philanthropy have been quite important in a number of fields, namely in female indie rock and Canadian music. She also has a rather unique hybrid of Art-folk rock that most singer-songwriters have not used beofre or since.

For Sidemen, should we continue this category, I think Narada Michael Walden would be a worthy choice. Easily one of the best drummers alive today. I also think Cornell Dupree should be worthy of induction. As for Influences, I will likely pick Johann Sebastian Bach and/or Ludwig Van Beethoven to get classical elements into the ballot. I also wonder if Peter Tosh can be considered an influence with respect to reggae and afrobeat. If so, Tosh could be on my ballot.

Now, for Non-Performers. I would suggest John Williams, perhaps one of the best modern composers of his era. In addition, I think Godley and Creme are quite worthy of induction. They were not Gouldman and Stewart of 10cc; yet on their own they made their mark regarding the Gizmotron and in video production. Plus, Consequences was a very remarkable triple-album of both humorous and upsetting matters.

Well, that is a ballot for 2029 I have in mind. It may change without short notice. Let me know what you fellow posters think of these potential candidates. As I mentioned earlier, stary safe and warm. My deepest emotions of sympathy to those affected by Perfect Storm 2012.

Now at section 17 in the calm of Blint's Tune,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Tuesday, 10.30.12 @ 21:10pm


Black Keys have had some mainstream success lately, but their case doesn't hold water. Why them instead of Modest Mouse? Why them instead of Yo La Tengo?

Hell, judging by the strength of their albums and consistency, Spoon pretty much did what The Black Keys did only better.

If the Black Keys got in, they'd be jumping ahead of far too many acts in the indie realm. There's dozens that have got to go in first.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.30.12 @ 21:46pm


Glad you are OK, Lax29. Hope no one else was whacked by the storm.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.31.12 @ 07:33am


I'll be honest, and this is my personal bias, but I can't muster up much interest in Mariah Carey. I put her in the same category as Garth Brooks: I acknowledge her success and career longevity, as well as her personal skills as a singer, all of which lends itself easily to consideration; it's her body of work that I find underwhelming and easy to dismiss. She started off as a bland Top-40 pop star, slowly moving more into adult contemporary ballad territory as she became successful; when that stopped working commercially, she became a purveyor of some of the most generic pop/R&B around. In terms of their music, I've find Beyonce a more dynamic performer than Mariah Carey ever was, even when I'm not a huge fan of a particular song; that's why I was thinking of jumping her in over Carey,

I'm the first to admit we've ignored contemporary R&B as a category, focusing on hip hop while occasionally getting some of the bigger names in funk and soul from the 1970s into our HoF. If we need to get some artists from that genre into circulation, I can think of a few artists I'd rather see get consideration over Carey. R. Kelly and Mary J. Blige both come to mind fairly quickly: R. Kelly has his work as both a performer and a producer to take into consideration, while Blige is as strong a performer with a more engaging body of songs in my estimation. Another, admittedly black sheep contender would be New Edition: take into account Bobby Brown's early solo work and Bell Biv Devoe, along with their earlier hits, and they pretty much laid the stylistic groundwork that Mariah Carey's followed throughout the second half of her career. After that things get fuzzy... En Vogue, Boys II Men, TLC and Usher all had tremendous commercial success, but not the longevity that the above artists had; while neo-soul artists like Erykah Badu, Maxwell and D'Angelo have had scattered hits and critical support, but not the crossover success or mainstream influence on music in general (although I could see Amy Winehouse or Cee-Lo/Gnarls Barkley getting some play over the next few rounds).

All of this is a long winded way of saying I understand why Mariah Carey's starting to garner more support at this point; I just can't see my way clear to throw in with that push.

Posted by Ian on Saturday, 11.3.12 @ 00:32am


Also in regards to any support I said i'd give to Jimmy Saville... I;d rather not push for the man who's possibly the worst sex offender in british history.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 11.3.12 @ 18:01pm


"En Vogue, Boys II Men, TLC and Usher all had tremendous commercial success, but not the longevity that the above artists had;"

To be fair, Usher has been going for some 15 years and is still in the middle of his career.

Also, It wasn't really TLC's fault that their career didn't last long, IMO.

My opinion on some of the artists mentioned:

Ozzy Osbourne: Admittedly worthy, but no one seems to be able to ever squeeze him in on a ballot (I myself am guilty of this)

Arcade Fire: Great group, but missing that certain intangible that makes them first ballot. Whether that be another amazing album, or some actual commercial success (I don't consider a number one record in this day and age to be particularly impressive, as any act with a decent fanbase/fluke hit can get into the top 5. Not to mention no real hit singles, even on the alternative charts), I don't know, but I would still put them in fairly quickly.

Kanye West: No duh.

LCD Soundsystem: Not my cup of tea musically, but I'd have no problem with it in a 2-5 year range. But with that being said, shouldn't Suicide go in first?

Boston: Been there, done that with much better aritsts. No Foreigner either.

R. Kelly: Total weirdo, but an amazing talent in R&B. Should've been considered awhile ago.

Mary J. Blige: The "Queen of Hip-Hop Soul", definite points there, also helps to have a long career.

No Doubt - A great second-tier 90s group that would've already gotten in had they been active a decade or two before. I think we've been pretty bad about mainstream 90s rock, to be honest.

The Offspring: I'll always go to bat for these guys. Yes, the gimmick songs are...not that great (but with that being said, there's not many), but alot of great rock music there overall, and obviously more than enough songwriting talent, since they've been around for 25 years and are still a relevant name. Plus, I don't get this argument that an artists worst song can be used as this huge statement against their induction. Just because Weezer have released one crap song after another post 2001 (save for "Pork and Beans") doesn't mean that the greatness of their previous output is wiped out.

TLC: Yes, the career wasn't long, but the quailty and influence have lasted alot longer.

Beyonce: "Dynamic" my ass. Some good songs and I can understand her induction, but good god has anybody of her stature in modern music had their hand held as much as she has? I can only think of Rhianna, but she's not at that level yet. Seriously she gets all the best production, has multiple people write ONE song, not to mention her husband (who admittedly, is a songwriting genius) helps her out too. She's an expy for modern music trends and while she has her place, it certainly ain't before Mariah Carey.

Korn - I might vote for them, but they're in the bad position of being at the forefront of one of the worst trends of the 90s, nu-metal. Not a bad band at all in themselves, but the start of a very slippery slope. (Just as I'm sure some voters saw Motley Crue = Poison, I'm sure others have a hard time not thinking Korn = Limp Bizkit)

Posted by Jim on Friday, 11.9.12 @ 17:38pm


Jim, I can't tell if you're saying no to kanye or yes.

also ushers been going since 88 I believe. Pretty impressive that he's still huge now.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 11.9.12 @ 17:42pm


GFW, I'm 100% behind Kanye West. I mean't "no duh" in the sense that he's a no-brainer as a first balloter. Tremendous influence, engaging discography and massive commercial success. Can't think of any better combination than that.

But yeah, Usher got big in '97, so that's where I get the 15 years from. Pretty impressive in my opinion as well.

Posted by Jim on Friday, 11.9.12 @ 18:01pm


Oh, right.

Also yeah, Usher's probably the longest running successful pop star around today (madonna doesn't count, her new stuff doesn't sell very well)

Posted by GFW on Friday, 11.9.12 @ 18:16pm


I would also consider a vote for Maroon 5 down the road, but it would probably be dependent on how their career turns out from here.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 11.10.12 @ 00:39am


most of these guys are not rockers ----i thought its the rock and roll hall of fame ---not the just anybody hall of fame ----this sucks come on l l cool j ----that ain't rock

Posted by carl on Thursday, 11.22.12 @ 09:56am


I've been wondering what all of your opinions are on John Denver - for either the influence or performer categories. Is he country/folk rock or just plain country and folk?

He seems to be less country than artists such as Garth Brooks, whom has been brought up before. So what do you think? Is he a worthy candidate for either category? Just trying to open up some discussion here.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 12.26.12 @ 15:58pm


I'd personally induct him as a Performer but I'd be fine with him in the Influence category too.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.26.12 @ 17:18pm


There's been a lot of talk about Animal Collective, The Black Keys, LCD Soundsystem, TV on the Radio, and Arcade Fire. All of these bands, to varying extents, have definite credentials and deserve inductions in the future

Sadly, there has NOT been a lot of talk about Modest Mouse, Death Cab for Cutie, Elliott Smith, The Strokes, Spoon, Yo La Tengo and Neutral Milk Hotel. It'd be nice to get in at least one post-punk/indie rock act with a little more career under their band-belts, or at least mention them as frequently as the first batch listed.

Posted by Paul K on Monday, 01.7.13 @ 08:36am


Paul K - I would be very interested in voting in Modest Mouse or Death Cab For Cutie. The Strokes are pretty close in my estimation, as well.

Jim:

Arcade Fire - Funny you should mention Arcade Fire needing another album... Their next album comes out this year. I'm sold on voting for them next year, but if they knock another one out of the park, I think they'll get enough support for first ballot status along with Kanye.

Ozzy - Ozzy's solo career is definitely worthy of consideration, but I think he gets docked because Black Sabbath is already in and some think that this would be double-dipping. I think he's probably the best metal artist that hasn't been voted in yet.

"Kanye West: No duh." - Agreed.

Boston - One of many "just a band" bands from the classic rock era. I'd rather vote for under-appreciated excellence than well-known mediocrity.

LCD Soundsystem - Suicide will be voted in next year. They literally couldn't have been closer this year. LCD Soundsystem was about as close to a 21st Century Talking Heads as we've yet to see.

The Offspring - The pinnacles of The Offspring's output are nowhere near the same level as Weezer's first two albums and I think Weezer can beat them single for single since. Also, I think we put Weezer in too soon.

Korn - A decent candidate and they've shown a cockroaches' survival instincts. The only nu-metal band I think it a better candidate (based on your definition of nu-metal) is System Of A Down. There's the possibility of the slippery slope, but I think most nu-metal bands (Limp Bizkit in particular) have so many knocks against them that it would be extremely unlikely that they'd get voted in even if Korn got in.

Steve Z - John Denver would need to be voted in as a Performer, in my opinion. His career is too modern for the influence category.

What do you guys think about voting for The Jesus And Mary Chain? They were the front-runners in the shoegaze genre that's mostly unrepresented so far, enjoyed some commercial success during the early days of MTV and have had a great deal of influence on the alternative rock and indie rock bands of the past 30 years.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 01.25.13 @ 00:19am


Darren:

I agree with you here: "The pinnacles of The Offspring's output are nowhere near the same level as Weezer's first two albums....Also, I think we put Weezer in too soon." Although Smash and Americana are both two fantastic albums in their own right.

But you lose me here: " and I think Weezer can beat them single for single since."

Not to get nitpicky with what you're saying, (and obviously its to each its own) but I'm one of those people who thinks that post 2001 Weezer was, and still is, pretty bad. The Green Album was a fun little comeback, but after that it just got sad watching Rivers and company trying to keep up with the times, with the exception of "Pork and Beans". Their post-Green Album stuff is the reason why they have a fan base that is the musical equivalent of Sonic the Hedgehog.

Personally speaking, I feel that The Offspring are a 2nd tier 90s act and so are Weezer. But you're right that The Offspring don't have a Blue Album or Pinkerton. But I also think that the Offspring are far more consistent than Weezer. Also, I think that since the 90s, the Offspring have been far more comfortable establishing their own little space in rock rather than desperately trying to keep themselves in the mainstream (like Weezer, which got really bad around 2008-09). Eventually, it all adds up to Weezer's level in my opinion. And yeah, the gimmick songs are stupid, but I'm only counting three of them ("Pretty Fly", "Original Prankster" and "Hit That") and I could throw up dumb songs like "We Are All On Drugs" and "Troublemaker" against Weezer. I disagree that they're inferior to Weezer single vs. single, but that's just getting into personal taste.

Basically, I think it took Weezer two years to get their spot in the Hall of Fame while it took the Offspring about 20. But at the end of the day, they end up in about the same area.

But hey, at least we're not arguing about Limp Bizkit.

Posted by Jim on Friday, 01.25.13 @ 20:46pm


"Arcade Fire - Funny you should mention Arcade Fire needing another album... Their next album comes out this year. I'm sold on voting for them next year, but if they knock another one out of the park, I think they'll get enough support for first ballot status along with Kanye."

Sounds like they are working with James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem on their new album. Hard to see how that can go wrong!

http://www.nme.com/news/arcade-fire/67613

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 01.28.13 @ 14:04pm


Jim - I agree on "Smash" and "Americana" being great albums. "Smash" usually gets the appreciation it deserves, but I think "Americana" is one of the most under-rated albums of the 90's.

Since those albums, though, I can't think of any of their songs that I would consider "Hall Of Fame" worthy, by which I mean, songs I would consider voting for in the Song Project.

I don't consider "Troublemaker" or "We Are All On Drugs" to be the same kind of gimmick songs as "Pretty Fly", "Hit That" or "Original Prankster". I don't think either of them are worthy of the Song Project, but I think they're in the same goofy vein that's always been at least a factor in every Weezer album. "Buddy Holly", "Undone (The Sweater Song)" and "El Scorcho" all have their goofy moments as well, but I consider all three of them to be classics of 90's alternative rock.

The only nice thing I can say about Limp Bizkit is that they're slightly better than the Insane Clown Posse. lol

Gassman - I had heard about James Murphy working with Arcade Fire. My only concern is that their next album won't be on par with "The Suburbs" and the backlash will make it seem like a letdown, so I'm trying to temper my expectations a little.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 01.28.13 @ 21:03pm


'What do you guys think about voting for The Jesus And Mary Chain?'

Definitely, I've just never found room for them. Maybe this year

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 01.30.13 @ 12:32pm


'What do you guys think about voting for The Jesus And Mary Chain?'

They're on my short list. I'm thinking I'll hold off putting them on the next one for LCD Soundsystem; but, other than Fugazi and They Might Be Giants, they're the most likely 1980s alt rock band I'd throw my weight behind.

Posted by Ian on Saturday, 02.2.13 @ 16:08pm


Hello all. I do realize it will be a few months before the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project gets back running in full strength. I would, however, like to ask fellow posters what their thoughts are in an artist I jave recently been listening to quite often.

Fellow posters, do any of you think Neil Finn is worthy of being voted on? By that I mean not only Neil Finn on his own: I would include Split Enz, Crowded House, the Finn Brothers and whatever else Finn has been involved with. Now I realize Neil Finn is rather limited in following; New Zealand, Australia and the United Kingdom are his biggest fan bases. Here in the US, Neil Finn is essentially a two-hit wonder: I Got You in 1980, and Don't Dream It's Over in 1986.

Yet, especially since hearing a new Neil Finn song from the first Hobbit movie, I have been pouring over his back catalog. Frankly, I continue to be astounded at what is now 36 years of some of the most ecletic and unique songwriting to come out of the rock and pop genres. And to think, Neil Finn is only 54 and still as fresh as ever.

Now, granted, some may not yet want to include everything and anything Neil Finn just yet. These posters may rather have one of Finn's bands be included first. I am not certain how that would work. However, if I were to include a band that Neil Finn was a member of as the first voted in group, I would likely pick Split Enz. Certainly Crowded House would be the wiser choice; yet Split Enz I think provided Neil Finn with the growth of his songwriting, his most artiest in a band context; and, perhaps most importantly, the mutual influence during and post Split Enz of his fellow bandmates. Obviously this would include Neil's older brother, Tim Finn. Yet, fellow bandmates Eddie Rayner, Nigel Griggs, Noel Crombie, Malcolm Green and the late Paul Hester continued their associations and collaborations with Neil Finn long after Split Enz ended. And that did not just mean the reunion tours.

So, in short, I was just wondering if Neil Finn and/or Split Enz and/or Crowded House are worthy of being voted into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. For myself, I may likely consider Finn to go on my ballot in the next few months. If possible, let me know what you fellow posters think of this idea.

Probably not following the strait old line,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Friday, 02.15.13 @ 22:20pm


Hello all. I do realize it will be a few months before the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project gets back running in full strength. I would, however, like to ask fellow posters what their thoughts are in an artist I jave recently been listening to quite often.

Fellow posters, do any of you think Neil Finn is worthy of being voted on? By that I mean not only Neil Finn on his own: I would include Split Enz, Crowded House, the Finn Brothers and whatever else Finn has been involved with.

Posted by Lax30 on Friday, 02.15.13 @ 22:20pm
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I'm not so sure I'd place him in our little Rock Hall we've got going here, but he's certainly not a bad choice.

For the record, I already tried to get songs by Split Enz into the Song Project, but I couldn't muster any support. I tried for "I Got You", & I'm still interested in that, as well as "History Never Repeats" (when the first one stone-walled, I didn't even bother trying for the second).

If I were to re-nominate it (I Got You), would you consider tossing a vote in this direction (providing you can spare a vote)? Who knows, maybe we can start the ball rolling here.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 02.16.13 @ 05:48am


Was thinking recently about how we vote annually in this project & here is a way to make it more interesting:

1) At some point before voting begins, all people who have confirmed they will be voting are placed into a queue. By some method (random draw or leader decides or whatever) a 'voting order' list is drawn up.

2) We then vote in that order, maybe with specific time windows for each voter to cast their ballot. We can then total up votes after each voter & it will also give each subsequent voter a better idea of which acts are 'in the running' at the time they cast their ballot.

I think this would enhance the experience for all.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 03.22.13 @ 10:28am


I was just wondering if Neil Finn and/or Split Enz and/or Crowded House are worthy of being voted into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. For myself, I may likely consider Finn to go on my ballot in the next few months. If possible, let me know what you fellow posters think of this idea.

Probably not following the strait old line,

Lax30
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I'm not sure if I would vote for Neil Finn in to our project. There are several possible ways to do this. We could do it 5 ways that make sense.

Option 1: vote for Slit Enz
Option 2: vote for Crowded House
Option 3: vote for Finn Brothers
Option 4: vote for Neil Finn
Option 5: vote for Slit Enz and Croweded House jointly

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 03.22.13 @ 15:29pm


I'm not in favor of a voting queue because some people prefer to vote early and some prefer to vote late and should have that opportunity.

That said, I do understand the frustration that some people have that voting started randomly, without warning, in the middle of the night the past few years. I would be in favor of setting a hard date and time to begin voting. Everybody would know when to be there to vote early if they want to.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 03.22.13 @ 19:00pm


Thank you, DarrinRG, for your comments. Definitely having a queue would mean people would have a more specific window of time to vote & that might not work for everyone.

Just a thought I had.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 03.25.13 @ 11:19am


Hello all. I have been thinking about potential left field artists to put onto my ballot for the Class of 2029. What are your ideas on these matters?

Just to let you know, I am not a part of the boomer generation. As my moniker mentions, I am 30 years old. On a personal level, there are indeed a number of bands and artists I find to be a bit overvalued. The Beatles, along with John Lennon, Sir Paul McCartney and George Harrison individually are not one of them. Yet I would certainly alter the 301 artists inducted as perfromers to fit my personal tastes. Even so, my picks when not reached as a consensus are considered far out. Here is an example. I think we should consider inducting into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project more foreign languagerock artists, particulary from Japan. I would start with Ryuchi Sakamoto and/or Yellow Magic Orchestra: maybe the Japan music industry's answer to The Beatles (either them or X Japan.) Certainly the first of their kind to gain worldwide importance. The question that remains is, what do others think of this idea? You see, I may be a lone voice in this matter; or maybe I am not. A consensus may need to be reached for a result to be made.

Happy 30th anniversary Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Monday, 04.29.13 @ 21:42pm


Lax-I know that you're not a Boomer. My comments were general and not directed at you or anybody else specifically.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 04.29.13 @ 22:51pm


I know it's a bit too early to post but here is some suggestion for the Projected Class of 2029:

Performers:
The Black Keys
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Dells
Carly Simon
Kanye West
The Small Faces/Faces

Non-performers:
Bob Ezrin
Cliff Burnstein

Influences:
Peggy Lee
The Big Bopper

Side-Men:
Billy Cox
Randy Rhoads

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 06.29.13 @ 15:27pm


If Kanye don't get in imma be weepin' and moanin' and a gnashing my teeth (haha see what i did there god im clever)

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 06.29.13 @ 17:45pm


John R.C., you have made a very proabale list of inductees into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project for the fall. However, Randy Rhoads has already been inducted in the Revisited Class of 2006; albeit posthumously.

Since we are near the time to induct new artists and non-performers: I feel it best to have fellow posters have a peek at what I am considering to have as my ballot in roughly two months' time. This, mind you, is not a final ballot by any means.


Performers:
Kanye West
Arcade Fire
Neil Finn
Suicide
Carly Simon
Mary J. Blige
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project

Non-Performers:
Hipgnosis
Hugh Padgham

Influences:
Fats Waller
Richard Wagner

Sidemen:
Narada Michael Walden
Cornell Dupree

As I mentioned before, this is not my final ballot. Indeed, of those artists and non-performers listed; only Suicide is guaranteed to be on my ballot. This is with respect to the concerns a number of fellow posters had last year of Suicide not yet having made the Projected Class of 2028. I feel this needs to be rectified.

Well, these are artists and non-performers I am considering for the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project for the fall. Let me know if any of you have any concerns about hte potential inductees listed above. I am certain nearly all of the artists and non-performers listed herein are going to be prone to debate, if not downright concerns.

Waiting to see this jive jumping fairly soon,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Tuesday, 07.2.13 @ 21:44pm


Suicide, Neu! and Siouxsie and the Bansheess are my locks so far (as far as I'm concerned, Siouxsie is our top female snub at this point, with all due respect to PJ Harvey who is a close second.)

I'm still pondering the other spots, but those three are etched in stone for me.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 07.2.13 @ 22:55pm


I'm also pondering the possibility of Social Distortion if there's any support.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 07.2.13 @ 23:11pm


Siouxsie and the Bansheess and Kanye West are locks for me. If the new Arcade Fire album is as good as I expect it to be they will also be a lock. Other than that I'm open to almost anything.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 07.2.13 @ 23:28pm


I'll be voting for Kanye West and Suicide. The rest is up in the air, but my other votes will likely come from these 40 artists:

A Tribe Called Quest
Alanis Morissette
Anthrax
Bauhaus
Carly Simon
Dave Matthews Band
De La Soul
Dream Theater
Foreigner
Fugazi
Gang of Four
Huey Lewis & the News
Jeff Buckley
Kool & the Gang
Korn
Mariah Carey
Mary J. Blige
Nas
No Doubt
Ozzy Osbourne
Pat Benatar
PJ Harvey
Salt N Pepa
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Social Distortion
Styx
Sublime
System of a Down
The Commodores
The Dells
The Faces
The Fall
The Guess Who
The Moonglows
The Offspring
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Small Faces
The Sonics
Throbbing Gristle
Tori Amos

Posted by BSLO on Wednesday, 07.3.13 @ 02:06am


Arcade Fire just announced that there new album won't be coming out until October 29th. Got good timing for them! Don't they know they want to get inducted into the Rock Hall Projected on the first ballot?!?

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 07.12.13 @ 14:49pm


Here is that same message with actual grammar:

"Arcade Fire just announced that their new album won't be coming out until October 29th. Not good timing for them! Don't they know they want to be inducted into the Rock Hall Projected on the first ballot?!?"

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 07.12.13 @ 14:51pm


I will admit that I'm somewhat coming around on Arcade Fire. I won't be voting for them this time around, but they certainly have critical acclaim and a spot as one of the better bands of the last decade going for them.

The three things that still make them a no for me on the first ballot though are:

1) The influence issue - This is not a specific knock on the band at all, but it is an immediate obstacle when considering any band only 10 years into their career. There are very few bands that exhibit any sort of considerable influence this early into their careers, and while there are exceptions (The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Nirvana, etc.), I don't think Arcade Fire falls into this tier of artists.

This 10-year restriction also hurts the band when evaluating whether the band satisfies the "lasting appeal" criterion.

2) Most Deserving Indie Artist? - I'd say that they are probably the most deserving indie band that began in the 2000's, but they don't quite make the top of the list overall for me. I would be more likely to vote for artists like Dinosaur Jr., Elliott Smith, Modest Mouse or Wilco ahead of them based on their current work (after another album, they could easily move up though).

3) Limited Commercial Success - This isn't a huge issue to me, but when combined with the first two it's a dealbreaker. They certainly are headed in the right direction though. The Suburbs topped charts in several countries as an album, and both We Used to Wait and Ready to Start hit spots on the modern rock charts that the band had never hit before. That said, the band is still missing that Float On/Feel the Pain/Little Talks type hit that really moves them into the mainstream eye.

Again, none of this means that they don't deserve to get in eventually, but when you compare them to the monster commercial success and critical acclaim that Kanye West has received, they just don't quite cut it as a first-ballot band for me.

Posted by BSLO on Saturday, 07.13.13 @ 00:26am


I really wish Arcade Fire had released their fourth album before September, because even though I love them they just fall short of first ballot for me. Especially, when as BSLO has pointed out Kanye West is significantly ahead in both artistic output, cultural impact and even influence.

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 07.13.13 @ 09:43am


BSLO, I've seen Arcade Fire & I've seen Wilco.

I can tell you that IMO, Arcade Fire is much, much better than Wilco.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 07.14.13 @ 09:38am


I can definitely get behind Siouxsie & the Banshees.

I will definitely not be voting for Suicide or Neu, though that probably won't matter.

From BSLOs list I could throw support to:
Anthrax
Dave Matthews Band
Foreigner
Gang of Four
Huey Lewis & the News
Ozzy Osbourne
Pat Benatar
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Styx
The Commodores
The Faces
The Guess Who
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band


For myself, Ozzy Osbourne's solo career would be a top priority. Also feel like it is overdue for:

Bill Withers
Sweet
Midnight Oil
Wishbone Ash
Paul Revere & The Raiders
Manfred Mann
The Pet Shop Boys

I love Arcade Fire, but of bands that early into their careers I would like to see Muse get in there first.

Posted by jtrichey on Wednesday, 07.17.13 @ 00:16am


jtrichey-I think you and I are probably the two biggest Midnight Oil fans on the site (Tahvo was, too). They're always high on my radar, but have always been a tough sell around here, look at "Blue Sky Mining", their most commercially successful album and the rousing response that it's gotten in the Album Project. Based on conversations here over the years I think that what they have going against them is that they had a sustained, successful career globally, but have been mislabled by a lot of American observers as one hit wonders (and even that isn't accurate in terms of their U.S. success).

So, they're definitely a band that I'd get behind, but it's likely to be a hard climb.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 07.17.13 @ 01:01am


Yeah, I definitely remember talking about Midnight Oil with Tahvo before. They did get into the blind ballot Hall we did last year, so there seems to be at least some strength. (Though I have no idea how many people were actually supporting them.)

A talented and vastly unappreciated band IMO.

Posted by jtrichey on Wednesday, 07.17.13 @ 21:14pm


I could see myself voting for Midnight Oil. Maybe not this next go-round, but the year after. Have to work on my sample ballot.

Midnight Oil is a great band.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 07.18.13 @ 07:48am


kenny G and michael bolton should never eeeever be in the hall
Fozzy should be automatic

Posted by therealwrestlinggenius on Monday, 07.29.13 @ 13:56pm


Hello all. I have a question that needs to be answered. Should we at Future Rock Ledends considered bringing forth our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2029 before the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee brings forth is finalists ballot for their Class of 2014? I would feel this could help influence the NomCom for a look into the 13 artists, bands and/or non-performers that will be added to our canon of the great popular recorded music people of all times and of our times. I have often stated the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project is the website's crown jewel. A crown jewel should not ever be negated.

Let me know what you fellow posters think of the proposal,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Wednesday, 09.4.13 @ 21:55pm


I say yes to that

Posted by Tom H on Thursday, 09.5.13 @ 11:44am


Sure.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 09.5.13 @ 12:30pm


I think we wait until after the nominations are announced for the people that don't frequent this site as much but still vote. The Cleveland hall's nominations are a public event that can remind people to come back here.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 09.5.13 @ 13:15pm


wait, people have a life outside of this site?

lol nerds.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 09.5.13 @ 14:48pm


Exactly what Steve Z said. Also the idea that we influence decisions made by the actual Hall is laughable.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 09.5.13 @ 14:57pm


No offense Lax

Posted by Gass3268 on Thursday, 09.5.13 @ 15:43pm


I'm kinda new to the site and was wondering if there is a maximum ballot size for this class or if you guys do a ballot of around 15 like the rock hall?

Posted by Tom H on Thursday, 09.5.13 @ 16:14pm


Hi Tom - We keep it simple and skip any preliminary balloting phase. When the voting period opens, you simply vote for seven acts that you want to see inducted.

Welcome.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 09.5.13 @ 17:35pm


Yep! What DarinRG said.

7 votes in the Performer category, and 2 each in the Influences, Non-Performer, & Sidemen.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 09.5.13 @ 21:13pm


Hello all. I have a question that needs to be answered. Should we at Future Rock Legends considered bringing forth our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2029 before the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee brings forth is finalists ballot for their Class of 2014?

Posted by Lax30 on Wednesday, 09.4.13 @ 21:55pm
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Why not? Let's have it early. I was always under the impression that we were supposed to do this in September, or September leading into October, or something like such. I thought that was what Gassman wanted when we set this up.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 09.6.13 @ 06:09am


Thanks for the info guys. Sounds pretty straight forward and from looking at past classes and the comments section I think I can put together a ballot when it comes time for nominations.

Posted by Tom H on Friday, 09.6.13 @ 11:14am


I like the idea of waiting until after the NomCom announces the nominees. I agree that it will help us get more voters, and frankly I think the more, the better.

Posted by BSLO on Friday, 09.6.13 @ 11:36am


Yeah, doing one week after the real Hall of Fame announces the nominees allows us to have more voters. I don't think we should change anything.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 09.6.13 @ 12:00pm


I was fully prepared to bang the drum for some of my personal favorite 90's groups like Gin Blossoms Barenaked Ladies and and Hootie and the Blowfish (btw: any love for Hootie?) I took a look at some of the acts that aren't in yet (Ozzy, Styx, Supertramp, Bill Withers etc..) and decided to back off on those acts until later.

I would however like to make a major push for The Offspring. Yeah some of their songs may be a little cheesey (Pretty Fly for a White Guy comes to mind) but these guys put out a string of A-List albums in the 90's that are hard to ignore. "Smash" and "Americana" get a lot of love but the album between them "Ixnay on the Hombre" is just as good and their first two albums ("The Offspring" and "Ignition") are both awesome albums with great tracks like "L.A.P.D", "Tehran" and "Kick Him When He's Down". If I have to pick one 90's group for consideration this would be the one

In freakish coincidence "Self Esteem just started playing on my Pandora shuffle as I finished typing this.

Posted by Tom H on Friday, 09.6.13 @ 20:18pm


Just as a heads up to what my ballot will be looking like for my first year here. I am looking at submitting an all female ballot. So here are the 14 names for performers I will be pushing, just to see if any will be showing up elsewhere on other ballots.

Mariah Carey
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Pat Benatar
Salt-N-Pepa
Cher
Roberta Flack
Tracy Chapman
Mary J. Blige
Adele
Siouxsie Sioux & the Banshees
TLC
Big Maybelle
Patti Labelle (Labelle/The Bluebells)
Erykah Badu


Influences
Sarah Vaughan
Julia Lee
Clara Ward Singers
Barbra Streisand
Peggy Lee
Memphis Minnie
Loretta Lynn
Judy Collins

Non-Performers
Thom Bell & Linda Creed
Diane Warren
Linda Perry
Boudleaux & Felice Bryant
Evelyn Johnson
Sylvia Robinson (I doubt she'll get in as a performer)

SideWOmen
The Duchess
Mary Kaye
Gail Ann Dorsey
Jennifer Batten

Let me know if any of those women are of interest. Thanks!

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 03:16am


I was fully prepared to bang the drum for some of my personal favorite 90's groups like Gin Blossoms, Barenaked Ladies and Hootie and the Blowfish (btw: any love for Hootie?)

Posted by Tom H on Friday, 09.6.13 @ 20:18pm
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You may not get full-blown, gushing admiration, but I'm sure you'll find some general respect out there for Hootie. Every now and then a Hootie song rattles through my noggin, & I find I'll like it a lot more then I did years ago.

Feel free to bang the drum for anyone you want.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 06:38am


"I would however like to make a major push for The Offspring."

I'm with you there, Tom H. I think the Offspring are deserving, its just that I've put older punk acts that are deserving ahead of them (namely Bad Brains, Misfits, Minor Threat, the Damned, the Sonics.) The Offspring have had the most push, though, so I think they'll definitely make an appearance on my ballot.

To anyone that doesn't know the above artists, look them up! You'll find that they're all very influential in their own ways.

And to everyone else, I know most of your opinions on Neil Sedaka's performing career, but what do you say to his songwriting partnership with Howard Greenfield? The two are considered legendary Brill Building composers. After really reading into Sedaka's (and Greenfield's) careers, they have a fairly interesting story. Opinions?

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 11:39am


Just a couple notes on recent comments:

Tom - I'll definitely be supporting Siouxsie & the Banshees this round. A few other people have mentioned support as well. As far as female acts go, I'm going to start an all in push for PJ Harvey this year as well.

Steve - I've slacked on punk bands the last couple years, but I'm thinking of getting back on track this year. Bad Brains, the Damned, Minor Threat, Social Distortion and Richard Hell & the Voidoids are my shortlist.

In general - Working on the 80s in the ranking project got me to thinking that I don't recall there ever being a push for Billy Idol. I'm strongly considering him for this year.

My locks for this year are Siouxsie & the Banshees, PJ Harvey, Suicide and Neu!. I'm remaining open minded on my other three spots and hearing other people out.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 15:29pm


"As far as female acts go, I'm going to start an all in push for PJ Harvey this year as well."

I should amend that. She gets support every year, so I'm not starting anything. I'm finally getting on board a few years later than I should've.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 15:33pm


DarinG,

If PJ Harvey is a lock for you, then I will join in on it and nominate her as well. Siouxsie Sioux is also on my list.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 15:39pm


Arcade Fire and Kanye West are locks for me, so is Siouxsie & the Banshees. PJ Harvey is a probable lock too. My other 3 spots are up in the air.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 16:27pm


Kanye's a lock for me (wow what a shocker) but other than that I've no idea. I'll wait till you guys decide who you're supporting than have a look at the acts brought up.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 17:07pm


As far as more recent artists go, Arcade Fire and LCD Soundsystem are high on my list.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 18:57pm


Right now the only surefire lock for this year's ballot is The Offspring as for the other six I'm not sure but I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of these as ballot possibilities (FYI: This will probably be a dead giveaway as to my favorite sub genres)

60's Rock (Paul Revere & The Raiders, The Guess Who, Small Faces/Faces)

70's Classic Rock (Styx, Supertramp, Foreigner)

Funk (Kool & The Gang, The Commodores)

90's Rock (Hootie & The Blowfish, Barenaked Ladies, Gin Blossoms, No Doubt, Dave Matthews Band)

Hard Rock/Metal (Ozzy, System of A Down, Anthrax)

Most of my all time faves are already in including just about every A-List Prog act I can think of (Jethro Tull is my favorite) so this has ben good at getting me to think outside the box as well.

I'm open to suggestions for other places on the ballot as only Offspring is a lock.

Posted by Tom H on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 19:12pm


Even though I called Neu! a lock, I do have a feeling that support for them may have maxed a bit short last year. Tangerine Dream is an act that I would replace them with if there's support there.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 09.7.13 @ 19:25pm


On the 90s British front, Pulp and Suede are two plenty worthy bands that I'm also considering.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 09.8.13 @ 00:23am


I have mostly made up my mind for my ballot this year, but since most of the artists I'm voting for have already been brought up by multiple people, the only band I'm going to make an actual push for is my classic rock pick.

This time around, I have decided I'm going to go with The Guess Who. I will admit to being a bit biased about this band, as they are personally my favourite band that we haven't inducted into this project. Also, being from Canada, I can confirm that due to Canadian content laws they get about as much airplay on the radio as The Beatles and The Rolling Stones, so that may give me a more biased view of their worthiness.

The band is admittedly lacking a bit on the influence side, but the commercial success of American Woman in the USA was what brought a lot of record companies to Canada looking for bands to sign in the early 70's. The Band and Neil Young were certainly better overall, and achieved commercial success before The Guess Who, but nonetheless they were the first band from Canada to top the Billboard Hot 100 list.

While they sometimes get treated as a one-hit wonder, they had two other sizable hits in the United States (No Sugar Tonight/New Mother Nature, and These Eyes), and had several other songs in the early 70's that also cracked the top 50. On a subjective level, I believe that their catalogue is very underrated and easily competes with several bands that we have already inducted like John Mellencamp, The Steve Miller Band, Steppenwolf and The Doobie Brothers. Aside from maybe Arcade Fire, they are definitely the most qualified Canadian group that we haven't inducted.

I certainly don't think they're close to the biggest snub in this project, but if you are planning on voting for a classic rock artist, consider The Guess Who as an option!

Posted by BSLO on Sunday, 09.8.13 @ 01:48am


The Guess Who also had these sizable US hits...

Laughing (#10, 1969)
No Time (#5, 1970)
Share the Land (#10, 1970)
Clap for the Wolfman (#6, 1974)

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 09.8.13 @ 03:52am


Of the remaining Real Hall inductees we haven't inducted yet. I think the only act left which is worthy is The Moonglows. Hopefully they get a look in for this year's class.

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 09.8.13 @ 05:37am


Who else from the real Hall haven't we inducted yet? It looks like the Dells are still missing, and I think they seriously belong too. I don't plan on voting for Percy, or Randy for that matter (unless we already got him). I would probably split up the Small Faces and Faces just because even the real Hall doesn't believe its own argument for their joint grouping. I can't remember if we've gotten around to Lou Adler either, but I'm definitely in favor of him and Don Kirshner too.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09.8.13 @ 11:52am


We really need more house & techno acts. I'm strongly considering voting for The Chemical Brothers this year, and maybe Portishead as well. Furthermore, I'll probably vote for just the Small Faces, not a Small Faces / Faces combination.

I was also thinking that now is the time to induct Lonnie Donegan for the early influences category as the main representative for skiffle. Skiffle was the dominant popular music genre in the UK in the 1950s, and most of the important British artists of the 1960s started in a skiffle group, including John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison (skiffle group The Quarrymen eventually evolved into The Beatles), Mick Jagger, Ronnie Wood, Jimmy Page, Roger Daltrey, Ritchie Blackmore, David Gilmour, Graham Nash, Robin Trower and Alexis Korner. It's a major part of the history of British rock & roll that we have so far ignored.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 09.8.13 @ 20:33pm


Yeah, I could definitely get behind the Chemical Brothers. They're a bit of an oversight at this point.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 09.8.13 @ 20:41pm


Would anyone consider Fugazi?? I would love to give them a vote if it won't be in vain. They were most profound in ushering in a major subgenre of the past decade.

The Offspring is also a lock on my ballot, if that encourages anyone else. I'd love to see some other punk bands in that Steve mentioned, but The Offspring is the biggest headliner for that genre left.


I'm considering Ozzy Osbourne, and I'd consider The Guess Who also. I'll probably vote for Kanye West; he's the last essential rap artist to be inducted, but don't forget about De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest in the future. and finally, don't forget that there are still some major "pure rock/arena" bands who have some credentials - Boston, Foreigner, REO Speedwagon, Kansas.

Posted by Paul K on Monday, 09.9.13 @ 12:23pm


Paul K - I would definitely vote for Fugazi in the future, but probably won't be able to fit them in this year. They are absolutely deserving!

Sounds like our ballots may be quite similar, as I'll likely be voting for Ozzy, The Offspring, Kanye and of course The Guess Who as well.

Posted by BSLO on Monday, 09.9.13 @ 12:36pm


Paul - Fugazi is definitely on my short list. I'm like you in that I'd vote for them if I saw that there was some support.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 09.9.13 @ 15:09pm


Tom H, The Offspring's latest album is also pretty damed good. At least 3 killer tumes on it (check out 'Cruising California', 'OC Guns' and 'Slim Pickens...'.

I will be voting for The Offspring.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 09.10.13 @ 12:19pm


Also, if you are looking for punk acts to induct, Bad Religion is a candidate, IMO.

As are Rancid & Sublime.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 09.10.13 @ 12:26pm


Paul I almost forgot about their latest album. You're right it is good and if anything proves that they haven't lost a step

Sublime is also definitely on my shortlist.

Posted by Tom H on Tuesday, 09.10.13 @ 13:18pm


I've got to make an appeal of sorts to our voters...Arcade Fire needs to go in first ballot. We extended this project out 15 years into the future based on (the correct) assumption that most acts build their Hall-worthy credentials within the first ten years of their recording career. AF is, perhaps, the first band to be extremely hampered by this situation. As a lot of highly successful modern acts are releasing one album every 2.5-3 years, it obviously leads a lot of them to be shortchanged in content by the time they reach the ten year mark.

So, if you're on the fence and waiting to see what else they do, keep in mind that a new album is just around the corner. It is produced by the legendary James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem and the first single, "Reflektor", has already received rave reviews. Basically, they're weeks away from another huge critical/commercial success and it would be crazy to deny them a Hall induction simply because the album landed a few weeks after we voted.

My ballot will automatically include votes for Arcade Fire, Kanye West, Neu! and Suicide. I'm leaning on making pushes for Captain Beefheart, Wilco, Yo La Tengo and Lou Reed.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 09.10.13 @ 18:50pm


Forgot that Animal Collective is eligible this year...comparing them to the top ranked artists not in Rock Hall Projected/Revisited (i.e. on that Top 500 list), I don't see any reason not to induct them immediately.

Here's the plans for us after our latest induction ceremony...

1) Ranking the newly inducted Performers, Sidemen, Non-Performers and Influences on our lists. This also includes last year's Sidemen/Non-Performer/Influences inductees as all six of them ended up un-ranked due to the ballots being lost, and later, indifference.

2) Adding newly eligible artists (for Rock Hall Projected, anyway) to our Top 500 list. When we compiled that list extension, it didn't include the most recent (and future) eligible candidates. So, 2027's ceremony (Strokes, National, Gorillaz, Alicia Keys) and 2028 (Justin Timberlake, Decemberists, LCD Soundsystem, Yeah Yeah Yeahs) and 2029 (Animal Collective, TV On The Radio, M.I.A) all aren't on there.

Process would simply have people nominating certain artists and the ones that passed a certain vote threshold (say, 5 more people seconding their nomination) would move on to the ranking round. Voters would simply slot them at whatever # (including post-500 if they felt they weren't deserving of making the list).

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 09.10.13 @ 18:58pm


So, where I'm at now is, Siouxsie & the Banshees, PJ Harvey, Suicide and Neu! as locks.

Based on the recommendations of others as well as some of my own interests, the pool that I'll be drawing my last three acts from stands at this point as: Tangerine Dream, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, the Damned, the Sonics, Social Distortion, Richard Hell & the Voidoids, Arcade Fire, LCD Soundsystem, the Guess Who, Ozzy Osbourne, Billy Idol, Adam Ant, Pulp, Suede, the Verve, Throbbing Gristle, Midnight Oil, Toots and the Maytalls, Serge Gainsbourg, the Chemical Brothers, Boards of Canada, Fugazi, Captain Beefheart, Wilco, Uncle Tupelo, Lou Reed and M.I.A.

I'm still open minded to suggestions beyond that list.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 09.10.13 @ 19:40pm


for Influence, I've been thinking about John Cage, Ornette Coleman, Charlie Parker, Lefty Frizell, Marty Robbins and Faron Young if there's support for any of those.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 09.10.13 @ 20:25pm


Just to give an idea where my head is at, here are the categories I've been trying to cover, along with my top choices in each area (the most likely one I'll vote for is first):

'60s Pop/Rock: The Shangri-Las, Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band (although I usually think of him as being more entrenched in the 1970s), Dionne Warwick, Paul Revere and The Raiders, Sonny and Cher and the Guess Who.

'70s R&B: The Commodores, Rufus with Chaka Khan, Teddy Pendergrass. I might start mixing this up with deserving R&B artists from the '80s and '90s, such as New Edition, R. Kelly, Mary J. Blige and Aaliyah, and maybe Usher.

'70s Punk/Post-Punk: Suicide (although I'm only considering voting for them because of the blowback from last year, and can be easily swayed to look elsewhere). After them, it's Throbbing Gristle, Bauhaus, Siouxsie and The Banshees and the Modern Lovers. Might also consider mixing in some of the '80s Hardcore and Punk such as Bad Brains, Fugazi and Social Distortion. Less interest in '90s SoCal Punk such as the Offspring, No Doubt or Sublime.

Classic Rock/MTV Staples: Sort of lumping these two all together, as there's a lot of artists to consider, and a lot of artists still looking to get in are marginal in my eyes. George Michael is my priority here, followed by the Blue Oyster Cult, then roughly considering Cyndi Lauper, solo Lou Reed, Billy Idol, 10cc, solo Phil Collins and maybe Status Quo (Will Smith/Fresh Prince & DJ Jazzy Jeff is also bubbling around in this category). This is also the category I'll lump some of the bigger pop superstars of the present era (Beyonce, Justin Timberlake plus maybe Lady Gaga and Katy Perry), if and when they get enough traction for consideration.

Hip Hop: Kanye West is a slam dunk this year. After that, it's been increasingly difficult figuring who to prioritize: my gut feeling on the next five most important acts are Snoop Dogg/Snoop Doggy Dogg/Snoop Lion, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, the Sugarhill Gang and the Fugees. Just boiling under that are Ice-T, Salt-n-Pepa, The Roots, KRS-One/Boogie Down Productions and Nas.

Pitchfork Artists (1980s College Rock/1990s and 2000s Alternative): This is a bit of a catch-all, and there's enough artists floating out there that I haven't been focusing too much on present acts. This year my push will be for LCD Soundsystem; after that, it's the Jesus and Mary Chain, Fugazi (again), Liz Phair or PJ Harvey, Pulp, Aphex Twin or the Chemical Brothers, and Dinosaur Jr.

I usually leave one wild card category open, largely so I'm able to vote for one female act if they haven't popped up naturally in other categories. This year I have at least the Shagri-Las all set already, so I'll use this to push for a '90s R&B act, like we discussed months ago. I know there's a push for Mariah Carey, but I just can't get behind her as an inductee; so either R. Kelly or Mary J. Blige will get my vote instead.

Other categories are a mixed bag. Non-Performers are going to be Sylvia Robinson, and either Lee Hazelwood or Lester Bangs. Influences could be anyone: the Louvin Brothers (how did we miss inducting them), the Last Poets, Lonnie Donnegan, Prince Buster, Serge Gainsbourg, and the Royal Drummers of Burundi. Sidemen will still see me pushing Carlos Alomar, and maybe Arthur Russell. The Dap Kings and the Roots are also possibilities, although I could see them not getting a push as they could also be consider performers.

My ballot, based on this:

Performers:

Mary J. Blige or R. Kelly
The Commodores
LCD Soundsystem
George Michael
The Shangri-Las
Suicide (tent.)
Kanye West

Non-Performers:

Lester Bangs or Lee Hazelwood
Sylvia Robinson

Influences:

The Louvin Brothers
The Last Poets/Prince Buster/Royal Drummers of Burundi

Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar
Arthur Russell (or the Roots or Dap-Kings, if they get a push)

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 09.11.13 @ 07:58am


Definitely NOT down with Arthur Russell as a sideman...he recorded projects under different names, but was never really a hired hand for groups or anything else.

He's definitely worth consideration in the Performer category though.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.13.13 @ 14:10pm


Ian,

Is there any particular reason you are pushing for Blige over Carey? I know you said you didn't want to get behind Carey as an inductee, but it seems like she is kind of the odd woman out at the moment. And are the Shangri-La's a lock for you?

As it stands now I have three locks based on what others have been locking in.

PJ Harvey
Mariah Carey
Siouxsie Sioux & the Banshees

Leaving four spots open. Here is a ranked order of the acts I am looking at.

1)Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
2)Pat Benatar
3)Salt-N-Pepa
4)Mary J. Blige (If Ian chooses her, I will as well)
5)Tori Amos
6)TLC
7)Cher (with or without Sonny)
8)The Shangri-La's
9)Roberta Flack
10) Tracy Chapman
11) Patti LaBelle (However she needs to be labelled)
12) Erykah Badu
13) Adele
14) Big Maybelle
15) The Chantels


Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 09.13.13 @ 17:47pm


Along with my locks of Siouxsie & the Banshees, PJ Harvey, Suicide and Neu!, I'm leaning heavily toward Wilco, the Chemical Brothers and either Lou Reed or Captain Beefheart for my final three. Nothing set in stone yet, but I'm having serious leanings in those directions.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 09.13.13 @ 18:18pm


Casper, with regard to Arthur Russell, I see no chance for him to get in as a Performer despite a body of work that stands well against a lot of the artists we've been discussing for this year. The underground or orchestral nature of much of his work, the amount of unfinished work to finished product left behind in his lifetime, and the fact that he's still largely a cult figure more regarded by musicians and music critics than the general public work against him in that category. Voting for him as a Sideman is no different from pushing Thomas Dolby, Leon Russell, Bobby Womack or Robert Wyatt, all of whom were voted in as Sidemen when they could also be considered contenders for induction as Performers. In Russell's case, I'm using his work with Talking Heads and Allan Ginsburg to support him as a Sideman.

Posted by Ian on Saturday, 09.14.13 @ 08:03am


Chris F., my opinion on Mariah Carey is based on the fact that she's always been a pop artist, and a fairly derivative one at that. I have no problems with Pop Music in general: seeing as I'm pushing for George Michael to get in, and I've voted for artists like ABBA and the Carpenters as well. But I've never been drawn to Carey's work as a whole; and I've always seen her as someone jumping on the flavor of the month, so to speak (Top 40 Pop in the '80s, Whitney Houston-style ballads in the early '90s and generic Hip Hop-inflected Pop after that). I respect the success she's had, and I'm sure she'll be voted in over the next few turns; I just plan on not being included in any tally for her.

In terms of Mary J. Blige, I'm more drawn to her as an R&B singer first (although she's definitely done her share of pop hits). I've voted for her in the past, and gotten no traction; but I'm not 100% sure I'm voting for her this year. I may push R. Kelly as he has his production work along with his body of songs as a performer. I may also skip '90s R&B all together, if there's a concentrated push for other artists I'm interested in (Captain Beefheart, the Jesus and Mary Chain, Fugazi).

The Shangri-Las are a definite for me though, no matter what. I feel I can focus on them in terms of 1960s Pop/Rock until they get in.

Posted by Ian on Saturday, 09.14.13 @ 08:20am


Ian,

I think both Blige and Kelly are worthy inductees. I am making an all female ballot this time around, which is why I singled Blige out. Kelly's production credits should have had him. There is a lack of 90s R&B inducted here so far. If you do end up picking Blige over Kelly, let me know because I'll include her on mine as well.

As for Carey, I think she tends to get slighted because of her massive popularity (which puts her in a group that includes only Madonna & Streisand). Vocally influential with her melismatic approach. She outdid Houston's more standard approach, which lead directly to the American Idol generation of singers (And Aguilera, Beyonce, etc...). There is also her merger of Hip-Hop and R&B into the Pop world, which became the standard for Pop and Rap music. Add to that her lyric composition and you have an artist with a strong career. Not everyone's cup of tea, and to some listeners the reason for some of the worst stuff to come out of this generation. I understand why she wouldn't show up in your ballots. Just wanted to make sure it was a definite no, and not just a "not yet".

The Shangri-La's are the girl group I would like to see in, alongside the Chantels. Although the Chantels to me are Doo-Wop and not from the Girl Group sound. But if they are a lock for you, then I will include them on my ballot as well.

To everyone else,

Is there a push for acts like Tori Amos, SaltNPepa, Rufus, Pat Benatar, TLC, Adele, or Cher? Or any female act, or female included act (Arcade Fire is getting tossed around) that you will be including on your ballots?

Posted by Chris F. on Sunday, 09.15.13 @ 17:16pm


Chris - After Siouxsie and PJ Harvey, Tori Amos and Sinead O'Connor are my top female priorities. I hadn't planned on getting to either quite this year, but if there's enough support for either I would find a spot.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 09.15.13 @ 19:01pm


DarinRG,

I am hoping to get Amos in soon, and would like to have her on my ballot this year. Especially considering the lack of 90s female talent inducted thus far. O'Connor is a great choice too. I just didn't see any support for her on here really. Siouxsie and PJ are definitely on my ballot. So we have 2 votes for them. Hopefully we can drum up a bit more support.

Posted by Chris F. on Sunday, 09.15.13 @ 19:30pm


ballot locks:
Kanye West
Mariah Carey
The Offspring

extremely likely:
Arcade Fire
The Guess Who
Ozzy Osbourne
Siouxsie and the Banshees

finally, a few I would love to vote for if others were more on-board:
Anthrax
Blue Oyster Cult
Boston
Death Cab for Cutie
Foreigner
Fugazi
KoRn
No Doubt
Yo La Tengo

Posted by Paul K on Monday, 09.16.13 @ 02:16am


Paul K:
I'm definitely a lock for the Offspring, Kanye and Ozzy and The Guess Who are on my shortlist as well (probably being my 60s/early 70s rock selection). I was thinking of going for Styx as well but would consider switching them out for Blue Oyster Cult or Boston. I was also thinkingh about one more 90's rock group and No Doubt is one of my front runners for that along with Sublime or Hootie and the Blowfish.

Also anyone got any ideas for early influences or side men? I think I have my non performer picks but I'm stumped on the other categories.

At first I was thinking someone like Big Bopper for early influence but I don't know if it'd be more appropriate to put him in the performer category.

Posted by Tom H on Monday, 09.16.13 @ 08:33am


For early influences, consider Lonnie Donegan. See my previous post. And it is my personal belief this category is first and foremost for those early r&b and jump blues acts that made it possible for rock n roll to happen. Rock n roll is first and foremost descended from this genre. Joe Liggins, Big Jay McNeely and Amos Milburn are among the acts I'm considering.

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 09.16.13 @ 13:35pm


My 2029 preview ballot...

Performers

Phil Collins
The Alan Parsons Project
Foreigner
Three Dog Night
The J. Geils Band
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Bachman-Turner Overdrive

Joe South
Olivia Newton-John
The Pointer Sisters
Fanny

Non-Performers

Hugh Padgham
John "Kosh"

Phil Ramone
Don Arden
Reinhold "Mack"
Bill Bottrell
Ira Robbins
Richard Avedon
Hipgnosis
James William Guercio
John Farrar
Thom Bell
Richard Perry
Paul Williams (ASCAP)

Influences

Andy Williams
The Four Aces

Don Covay & the Goodtimers
Lena Horne
Irving Berlin

Side-Men

Ellie Greenwich
SuMagNa (Susan Collins, Marge Raymond & Nancy O'Neill)

Bob Babbitt

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 09.16.13 @ 20:35pm


^ Side-Men

forgot

Gregg Bissonette
Matt Bissonette
Marc Mann

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 09.16.13 @ 20:39pm


A lot more chatter around here than when I last checked 2 weeks ago.

Would love to push for Billy Idol.

Hard to deny Kanye West

I love Arcade Fire and will probably vote for them, but if they don't get in on their first ballot, I think it's OK.
Personally I think Muse, who put out another fine album this year, is as deserving and should be receiving much more talk than they are.

The Guess Who is a great choice.

Ozzy Osbourne is more than deserving.

The Chemical Brothers are more than deserving.

IMO, Pat Benatar should get in before PJ Harvey

And finally my own personal agenda for:
Midnight Oil
Bill Withers
Sweet

so it's going to be hard to narrow down.

By the way can we announce a set date to start voting rather than just have a secret day when a few people decide it's time to start?

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 09.17.13 @ 16:02pm


non-performers:

Perry Ferrell - just taking into consideration his founding of Lollapalooza and the subsequent rebirth of the festival/concerts should be plenty.

Jon Landau - writer/critic for Rolling Stone, producer and manager of Bruce Springsteen and other HoFers like Jackson Browne and MC5, and now the head of the Rock Hall nominating committee.

Lester Bangs - perhaps the most famous rock critic of all.

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 09.17.13 @ 16:45pm


jtrichey- I really like the Bangs and Landau picks. Both are on my shortlist and might make my ballot.

As far as Pat Benatar vs PJ Harvey, I think that Harvey has more artistic merit, but Benatar had more commercial success. To me it's just an honest disagreement about which strength one favors.

And I agree with setting a hard start date and time out of fairness to all involved.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 09.17.13 @ 17:49pm


At this time, I do not have an idea for what my Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2029 ballot will be. None the less, I do have an idea of what fields need to be recognized and whom I might induct in those areas. Tentatively, my ballot might be put forward as thus.

Kanye West: A virtual lock in my hip-hop/r&b selections.

Arcade Fire: Another virtual lock and clearly suiting my alternative/indie pick.

Mary J. Blige: For me, the leading female artist that needs to be inducted as soon as can be.

Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project: I personally lump all three names as one. Parsons and Woolfson are certain to be on my ballot; fitting my category of an interlaping concept album/MTV era.

Tangerine Dream: Edgar Froese and Co. fit perfectly well in my synths/electronics category. Considering their involvement in the new Grand Theft Auto game score, this should bring renewed interest in this hughly influential electronic innovative act. Although I still say Edgar Froese without Christopher Franke is only partially influential.

Polly Jean Harvey: an artist I have in mind for representing clearly 90s and onward alternative singer-songwriter rock.

Lou Reed: certainly worthy of induction on his own accord. I would fit him in my Clyde McPhatter club category of multiple inductees.

Amongst Non-Performers:

Hipgnosis: A bit late in recognition due to Storm Thorgerson passing away in April, I understand. Yet, Hipgnosis is the leading visual non-performers that need be inducted.

Lester Bangs: an interesting writer that was unique for his time. I am not certain if an inclusion on my ballot will occur. Yet, it might happen.

Regarding Influences:

Lonnie Donegan: I may consider Lonnie Donegan for his influence relative to skiffle.

Lena Horne: one of the better multi-faceted singers of her time. Easily fits my pre-rock category.

And finally amongst Sidemen:

Jennifer Batten: One of the greatest guitarists I have seen and heards, regardless of gender.

The Roots: Quite a good band that can often accompany noted artists. I could include The Roots as Sidemen in that regard.

Well, that is my idea of what my Revisited/Projected ballot will be. I do concur with fellow posters that we need to have a set time and date for when the Class of 2029 will commence. In addition, we should get confirmation of who will want tio participate beofre we start. I will start by saying that I intend to vote on our crown jewel of this website. Certainly many others will join us in this wondrous endeavor.

Looking forward to peruse Grand Theft Auto 5 on a Playstation 4,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Tuesday, 09.17.13 @ 21:29pm


Lax30,

I am all on board with Jennifer Batten (and I agree with you on her guitar skills. Although I think the Roots more along the lines of contenders for the Performers category. If for no reason other than their multiple stellar albums.

PJ Harvey is already locked in on my ballot. Blige is still a possibility.

As for Lena Horne, I will go along with it if she picks up traction. But it would seem someone like Sarah Vaughan, Anita O'Day, Pearl Bailey, Ethel Waters, or Ella Mae Morse might be nabbing the spot on my ballot. Horne does have the large influence over Diana Ross & the Supremes, but Vaughan seems to be the go to gal for most R&B singers from Chaka Khan to Anita Baker. And probably the most technically gifted vocalist in Popular Music (Although I prefer Billie and Ella).

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 09.17.13 @ 21:54pm


I'm good with having a set start date for the 2029. Whatever the general consensus is on the topic I'm in as far as putting forth a ballot.

Plus I appreciate seeing who people are considering for sidemen early influences and non performers as I noqw have a better idea of who I might go for.

Posted by Tom H on Tuesday, 09.17.13 @ 22:04pm


We have a set start date, one week exactly after the actual nominees get announced.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 09.18.13 @ 00:07am


I Plan on voting for

Poco
Ozzy Osbourne
Carole King
Neu!
Captain Beefheart
Ministry
LCD Soundsystem or Arcade Fire

Non-Performers:

Richard Perry
Norman Petty

Not sure yet on influences or sidemen.

Not sure what to vote for in

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 09.19.13 @ 19:24pm


Influences: Andy Williams and Sarah Vaughan

Sidemen: Cornell Dupree and Sarah Batton

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 09.26.13 @ 21:26pm


Updating what my ballot will look like.

Performers:

1. PJ Harvey (Locked)
2. Mariah Carey (Locked)
3. Siouxsie Sioux & the Banshees (Locked)
4. Mary J. Blige (Locked)
5. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan (Locked)
6. The Shangri-Las / TLC / Salt-N-Pepa
7. Tori Amos / Pat Benatar / Tracy Chapman

Influence:
1) Sarah Vaughan (Locked)
2) Lena Horne / Memphis Minnie / Clara Ward Singers / Loretta Lynn

Non-Performers:
1) Sylvia Robinson (Locked)
2) Boudleaux & Felice Bryant (Locked)

Sidemen:
1) Jennifer Batten (Locked)
2) Gail Ann Dorsey (Locked)

Posted by Chris F, on Friday, 09.27.13 @ 11:50am


What my ballot looks like at the moment

The Offspring (Lock)
Ozzy Osbourne (Lock)
Kanye West (Lock)
60's Rock Act TBD (maybe The Guess Who/Paul Revere & The Raiders/Herman's Hermits)
Three Dog Night (Lock)
The Shangri-Las
Either Blue Oyster Cult/Styx/Foreigner

Possible Influences
Pete Seeger
Buddy Rich
Lonnie Donnegin
Andy Williams

Non-Performer
Doctor Demento
Don Kirshner

Sidemen
No Idea (unless we're counting jazz sidemen)

Any ideas on sidemen?

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 09.27.13 @ 20:26pm


One sideman I pushed iin the blind ballot project was Clarence Clemons. He did way way more than just the E Street Band.

Posted by jtrichey on Saturday, 09.28.13 @ 01:35am


Side-Men suggestions...

SuMagNa (Susan Collins, Marge Raymond & Nancy O'Neill)
Ellie Greenwich
Chester Thompson
Bob Babbitt

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 09.28.13 @ 13:53pm


An update on what my ballot could look like.

Poco
Carole King
Ozzy Osbourne
Badfinger
Arcade Fire
Ministry
Captain Beefheart

NP:

Richard Perry
Norman Petty

Influence:

Sarah Vaughin
Andy Williams

Sidemen:

Cornell Dupree
Bob Babbitt

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 10.3.13 @ 13:56pm


I think I'm pretty much settled on:

Captain Beefheart
The Chemical Brothers
Neu!
PJ Harvey
Siouxsie & the Banshees
Suicide
Wilco (I was actually shocked when Casper pointed out that they haven't been inducted.)

Np:

Lester Bangs
Sylvia Robinson

Influence:

John Cage
Marty Robbins

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.7.13 @ 19:59pm


I have to wonder if a reason why the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has not announced its finalists for the Class of 2014 as Performers; if it is because the Board of Directors and the Nominating Committee are waiting for us fellow posters at Future Rock Legends to commence with our continuation of our crown jewel. The crown jewel being the Revisited/Projected Rock hall Project Class of 2029. Should that be the case, I suggest we vote in our new class without wait and/or hesitation. We could preferably begin tomorrow if need be. Let it be known, here is what I think might be my ballot.


Performers

Kanye West
Arcade Fire
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
Mary J. Blige
The Offspring
Tangerine Dream
Mariah Carey

Non Performers

Hipgnosis
Lee Hazlewood

Influences

Lonnie Donegan
Sarah Vaughn

Sidemen

Jennifer Batten
The Roots

This ballot is subject to change without short notice. None the less, were I to classify the likelihood of this proposed ballot, it might work as follows.

Locks

Kanye West
Arcade Fire
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
Tangerine Dream
Hipgnosis
Jennifer Batten

Potential locks

Mary J. Blige
Lonnie Donegan
The Roots

Seriously looking into before making a final decision

The Offspring
Sarah Vaughn

Not certain yet, but perhaps so

Mariah Carey
Lee Hazlewood

It should be a most interesting class. I do wonder if we might partake in a prize reward of some sort similar to what Roger Ebert enacted in his Outguess Ebert contests during the runup to the Oscars/Academy Awards. Let me know what you think, and I will explain more.

Let us vote PDQ (Bach:),

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Monday, 10.7.13 @ 22:02pm


"I have to wonder if a reason why the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has not announced its finalists for the Class of 2014 as Performers; if it is because the Board of Directors and the Nominating Committee are waiting for us fellow posters at Future Rock Legends to commence with our continuation of our crown jewel."

This totally made my night.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.8.13 @ 01:13am


My take on the Rock Hall Projected vote for this year (fairly comprehensive, so I apologize

for the length):

Ballot Locks (will be on my ballot this year):

Kanye West - He's been running neck and neck with Jay-Z as the most creative and successful hip hop artist of the past decade. In my opinion, he's never released an album that's anything short of excellent, which is remarkable because of how much musical experimentation he's done over the years. He's stayed within hip hop and rap, but somehow that's encompassed songs as diverse as "Gold Digger", "Jesus Walks", "Heartless" and "Black Skinhead". "My Beautiful, Dark, Twisted Fantasy" might be the best rap album of all-time. Oh, and the Beyonce video should have won Video of the Year.

Arcade Fire - The premiere indie rock band of the past decade. I have every confidence that their new album will keep their streak of brilliant EPs / LPs alive. It's a shame that it probably won't be released before we vote this year.


I grade all artists that are up for the Rock Hall on a scale of 1-10. 10 is the highest, meaning I would vote for them immediately if I thought they had a chance of getting voted in. A grade of 9 means that I think the artist has a great argument for the Rock Hall, but they don't quite merit a 10. A grade of 8 means that I think that an argument could be made, but it's iffy. Any artist that doesn't merit an 8 or higher is unlikely to get my vote, so I don't really keep track of them.

For the 2013 class, the following artists graded out as a 10 in my opinion:

Kanye West (NEW)
Arcade Fire (NEW)

LCD Soundsystem
Queens Of The Stone Age
System Of A Down
The Jesus And Mary Chain

I have 73 artists graded as 9s this year, so I'll only list the ones that I think are popular / known enough to have a shot at getting voted in:

Alicia Keys
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Bauhaus
Blood Sweat And Tears
Blue Oyster Cult
Brian Eno
Bright Eyes
Cypress Hill
Dave Matthews Band
Death Cab For Cutie
Diana Ross
Dinosaur Jr.
Dr. John
Echo And The Bunnymen
Fiona Apple
Foreigner
Generation X / Billy Idol
George Thorogood
Gorillaz
Hole
Ice Cube
Iggy Pop
Joan Jett And The Blackhearts
Joe Cocker
Joe Walsh
Kings Of Leon (NEW)
Kool And The Gang
Korn
Lou Reed
Mary J. Blige
Minior Threat / Fugazi
Modest Mouse
Muddy Waters
Muse
Nas
No Doubt
Ozzy Osbourne
Pat Benatar
Patsy Cline
P.J. Harvey
Salt N Pepa
Siouxsie And The Banshees
Social Distortion
Sting
Sublime

Suicide (We're gonna make sure they get voted in to make up for last year's tiebreaker debacle, right?)

The Black Keys
The Decemberists
The Guess Who
The National
The Shins
The Strokes
They Might Be Giants
Three Dog Night
Tori Amos
T.V. On The Radio (NEW)
Violent Femmes
White Zombie
Wilco
Willie Nelson
Yeah Yeah Yeahs

I have hundreds of artists scored as 8s, so I'll only list the newly eligible artists at this level:

Amy Winehouse
Animal Collective
Beyonce
Justice
M.I.A.
M83
The Postal Service

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.8.13 @ 01:52am


Darren,

Let me know if any of the following acts make it on your ballot for sure, because it will change mine slightly (or at least insure a lock for the following):

Diana Ross
Mary J. Blige
Pat Benatar
Salt-N-Pepa
Tori Amos

I would also say that it seems there is some fairly good support right now for PJ Harvey and Siouxsie Sioux & The Banshees if you are interested in including those.

Any idea on what your influence, non performers, or sidemen nominees may look like?

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 10.8.13 @ 07:48am


Darren, you have Echo & the Bunnymen listed , but The Offspring aren't.

I think you need a minor recalibration of your grading system.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10.8.13 @ 08:11am


Here are the acts I'm considering:

Arcade Fire
Captain Beefheart
Dave Matthews Band
Kanye West
LCD Soundsystem
Neu!
PJ Harvey
Siouxsie & the Banshees
Suicide
System of a Down

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.8.13 @ 09:44am


What my ballot looks like at the moment

Locks:
The Offspring
Kanye West

Near Locks:
Ozzy Osbourne
Three Dog Night

In the mix:
The Guess Who
The Shangri-Las
Blue Oyster Cult
Styx
Foreigner
Arcade Fire
System of A Down
Bill Withers
Dave Matthews Band

Posted by Tom H on Tuesday, 10.8.13 @ 13:06pm


Paul in KY - "Darren, you have Echo & the Bunnymen listed , but The Offspring aren't.

I think you need a minor recalibration of your grading system."

I checked the tire pressure, replaced the sparkplugs and added fresh plutonium to the flux capacitator, but it still grades the Offspring as an 8. It turns out I don't think that they have accomplished enough to leapfrog to the level of top consideration in the punk genre, which would place them at the same level or above similar artists such as Social Distortion, Minor Threat, Fugazi, Bad Religion or Rancid, all of whom I believe have a better claim on a spot in the Hall Of Fame. This is not to say that if the Offspring needs one more vote and I have a spot available on my ballot that I won't give it to them under the right circumstances, but in the words of a band that I do believe has earned their spot in the Hall (this one and the real one): "You just haven't earned it yet, baby".

Just out of curiosity, why did you pick Echo And The Bunnymen of all the band that I listed? Silly name? I happen to think they're one of the best New Wave bands of the late 70's / early 80's that haven't been inducted into our Hall yet. I don't expect them to be, mind you, but I think that they warrant consideration.

Chris F. - Of the artists you listed, the most likely to be on my ballot is Tori Amos. You may have noticed that I tend to be one of the last people to vote in every round. This is because I usually have a lot of choices to select from and I want to make sure that every vote counts as much as possible. Others like to be front-runners to build momentum for their preferred artists, but that's not my "strategy", so while I would absolutely love to add Tori Amos to my list of "locks", I can't commit to any artists other than Kanye and Arcade Fire at this point.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.8.13 @ 13:29pm


Here is what my will look like

Performers:
Kanye West
Arcade Fire
De La Soul
The Shangri-Las
Siouxie and the Banshees
The Offspring
Mary J. Blige
Foreinger

Non-Performer:
Bob Ezerin
Norman Whitfield & Barret Strong

Influence:
Peggy Lee
Pete Seeger

Sidemen:
The Roots
Billy Cox

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 10.8.13 @ 15:44pm


Fellow posters:

Can anyone be able to tabulate whom we have announced on our posts as potential inductees? That way we can all get an idea of which artists, bands and non-performers are in the running to be inducted in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2029.

Waiting to start the election cycle,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Thursday, 10.10.13 @ 22:04pm


These seem to be the artists whose names I've seen kicking around as possible nominations for performers over the past month or so (apologies if I missed any)

The Guess Who
Blue Oyster Cult
Styx
Bill Withers
Ozzy Osbourne
Kanye West
Arcade Fire
De La Soul
The Shangri-Las
The Offspring
Mary J. Blige
Foreigner
Captain Beefheart
Dave Matthews Band
LCD Soundsystem
Neu!
PJ Harvey
Siouxsie & the Banshees
Suicide
System of a Down
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
Tangerine Dream
Mariah Carey
The Chemical Brothers
Wilco
Paul Revere & The Raiders
Carole King
Badfinger
Ministry
Phil Collins
Three Dog Night
The J. Geils Band
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Joe South
Olivia Newton-John
The Pointer Sisters
Fanny

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 10.11.13 @ 16:59pm


After seeing the documentary "Sample This," I have a hankering to go after inducting the Incredible Bongo Band as an Influence this round. Not sure if I go through with it, but I felt it necessary to float that out there.

Posted by Ian on Friday, 10.11.13 @ 21:26pm


Tom H. - Just so you know, this project doesn't have nominations, just voting.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.11.13 @ 21:49pm


Sorry Darren I meant that those seem to be the artists in the running for this year's class in response to Lax30's post.

Posted by Tom H. on Saturday, 10.12.13 @ 08:23am


Now that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has announced the Nominees for the Class of 2014; when shall we at Future Rock Legends begin our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2029? Should we start tomorrow, or maybe one week from tomorrow, or perhaps a specified date determined by the webmasters? For myself, the sooner we decide on a date, the sooner we can add 13 new people and/or groups to our canon of the influential people that define Rock and Roll.

Let us get this started,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:12pm


"Now that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has announced the Nominees for the Class of 2014."

It's supposed to start one week from today.

I'm fine with anything else as long as it's a set publicized time.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:19pm


The voting start date and time will be:

October 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 PM Eastern Time

Voting will last for week and will close:

October 29th, 2012 at 9:30 PM Eastern Time

Any ballot that is submitted before the first time and date will not be counted. I don't want anyone influencing the vote before we are supposed to vote.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:26pm


Gassman - Are we going to do the voting for the blind ballot HOF after the conclusion of the voting for the Re-visited / Projected HOF?

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 15:42pm


Darren: Sure, do you have a list of our inductees?

Everyone: Thoughts on Townes Van Zandt as an influence inductee?

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 02:44am


Everyone: Thoughts on Townes Van Zandt as an influence inductee?

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 02:44am

I could definitely go for Townes Van Zandt. I know that he was a beloved influence on many Rock, Country and Folk artists. He'd be a very solid pick. (I also highly recommend Steve Earle's album "Townes", a collection of all TVZ covers. A great listen.)

I'm also going with John Cage this year. It was great getting Karlheinz Stockhausen in last year to acknowledge a major influence on the more avant-garde, experimental side of RnR and I think that Cage is another invaluable influence in that direction. I'll be perma-voting for him.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 03:03am


I'd seriously consider Townes Van Zandt but I think I'm leaning more towards Conway Twitty at this point if I'm going towards a folk/country outside influence.

I also think we're due for another "early" influence induction. Someone like Amos Milburn maybe.

Posted by rockstar23 on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 05:59am


"I'd seriously consider Townes Van Zandt but I think I'm leaning more towards Conway Twitty at this point if I'm going towards a folk/country outside influence." rockstar23

Twitty is another solid pick that's high on my list. He and Marty Robbins are both really close to a vote from me.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 14:21pm


Just a reminder that the Rock Hall Projected voting will commence tonight at 9:30PM Eastern Time.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 11:33am


Gassman - I'll find the spreadsheet and let you know if there are any problems locating the necessary information.

Does anyone know if Arcade Fire has their new album streaming anywhere yet? It comes out next Tuesday and it would be useful information for anyone who is on the fence about voting for them this year.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 13:25pm


I'm with rockstar23 that it's time for an early influence. I've been reading up on the bio of Amos Milburn, and this guy probably should be one of our top priorities. A major star in the 1940s and 1950s, one of the architects of jump blues, and a direct mentor of Fats Domino, who has been called "rock n roll's first great piano man". His wild boogie rhythms and songs about drinking were a clear influence on Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard. This was one of the main figures in the transformation from rhythm & blues to rock & roll.

Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 17:50pm


I just read up on him as well (I love being tipped off about important figures that I wasn't aware of). I agree that he'd be a very strong inductee.

I'm definitely voting for John Cage, as I think it's important to acknowledge major influences outside of the typical Blues-Jazz-Coutry-Folk areas, though most will and should come from there. Cage is a constant name drop amongst (small P) progressive minded artists and someone that I feel very strongly should be inducted.

I was originally going to go for Marty Robbins for my other pick (and also considered Ornette Coleman), then started leaning Townes Van Zant (and contemplating Conway Twitty), but now having read up on Milburn, I'm strongly contemplating him.

I guess I have an hour to figure it out...

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 19:38pm


Voting is now open! Remember you get 7 Performers, 2 Non-Performers, 2 Influences and 2 Sidemen!

Voting will last for week and will close:

October 29th, 2012 at 9:30 PM Eastern Time

:)

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 21:30pm


My Ballot:

Performers

Arcade Fire
LCD Soudsystem
Neu!
PJ Harvey
Siouxie & The Banshees
Suicide
Kanye West

Non-Performers

Norman Petty
Sylvia Robinson

Influences

John Cage
Townes Van Zant

Sidemen

Band of Gypsys
Dick Berry

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 21:32pm


Arcade Fire
The Chemical Brothers
Neu!
PJ Harvey
Siouxsie & the Banshees
Suicide
Wilco

Np:
Lester Bangs
Sylvia Robinson

Influence:
John Cage
Townes Van Zandt

Side:
Dick Parry
Jennifer Batten

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 21:34pm


My sideman vote should be for Dick Parry not Dick Berry, haha!

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 21:36pm


Performers:

Arcade Fire
De La Soul
Neu!
PJ Harvey
Siouxie & The Banshees
Suicide
Kanye West

Non-Performers:
Bob Erzin
Slyvia Robinson

Influences:
Pete Seeger
Townes Van Zant

Sidemen:
Dick Barry
The Roots

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 21:48pm


Performers:
Captain Beefheart
De La Soul
Kanye West
LCD Soundsystem
PJ Harvey
The Shangri-Las
Siouxsie and the Banshees

Non-Performers:
Lester Bangs
Thom Bell

Influences:
Pete Seeger
Sarah Vaughan

Sidemen:
Band of Gypsys
Bob Babbitt

Posted by Idlewild on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 22:23pm


Kanye West
Suicide
Siouxsie & the Banshees
PJ Harvey
The Guess Who
The Offspring
Ozzy Osbourne

I will vote on the other categories later on

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 22:55pm


Billy Idol
Kanye West
Arcade Fire
The Guess Who
Ozzy Osbourne
The Chemical Brothers
Sweet

non-performers:
Lester Bangs
Jon Landau

sideman:
Clarence Clemons

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 23:48pm


Poco
Ozzy Osbourne
Captain Beefheart
Ministry
Carole King
Arcade Fire
Badfinger


Np:

Norman Petty
Richard Perry

Influence:

Sarah Vaughan
Andy Williams

Sidemen:

Bob Babbit
Cornell Dupree

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 01:13am


Performers:
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
Small Faces
Lou Reed
The Human League
The Chemical Brothers
Portishead
Kanye West

NPs:
Frankie Knuckles
Sylvia Robinson

Sidemen:
Daddy Gene Barge
Fred Wesley

Influences:
Lonnie Donegan
Amos Milburn

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 02:41am


Performers:

Arcade Fire
Captain Beefheart
Kanye West
Lou Reed
Neu!
Suicide
Wilco

Influences:

John Cage
Townes Van Zandt


The other two categories should be dumped by this point...just look at the choices that people are voting for...eventually, you hit a wall when it comes to people that helped form key components of this industry, especially since the modern era lacks such famous session musicians, modern labels of worldwide renown (like Atlantic or Motown) or people currently influencing rock from outside its spectrum. Frankly, I would not be unhappy if we retired all three of those categories altogether. Support for Jon Landau who was just a shill for Bruce? Support for Townes Van Zandt as an Influence even though he did stuff similar to Gram Parsons AFTER Gram Parsons? (I only voted for him in order to get his name listed in this project) It's just getting a little absurd.

I would love to have a vote on ending some or all of those extra categories. Even though most people have voted in them this round, I think the majority would rather end them than let this project get watered down some more (even if it means keeping a few personal picks out of our institution).

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 05:08am


Performers:

1. PJ Harvey
2. Mariah Carey
3. Siouxsie Sioux & the Banshees
4. Mary J. Blige
5. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
6. The Shangri-Las
7. Tori Amos

Influence:
1) Sarah Vaughan
2) Memphis Minnie

Non-Performers:
1) Sylvia Robinson
2) Boudleaux & Felice Bryant

Sidemen:
1) Jennifer Batten
2) Gail Ann Dorsey

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 05:54am


My Projected Ballot:

Arcade Fire
Kanye West
The Offspring
The Guess Who
Sublime
Suicide
Ozzy Osbourne

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 07:28am


Arcade Fire
Elliott Smith
Foreigner
Fugazi
Kanye West
Mariah Carey
The Offspring

Influences:
Conway Twitty
Sarah Vaughn

I'm going to have to agree with Casper on the other categories.

Posted by Paul K on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 07:49am


Paul In Ky - Is that your vote or are you saying that's what you currently project that your vote will be? The word "Projected" is what's throwing me. lol

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 13:48pm


Kanye West
Neu!
De La Soul
LCD Soundsystem
Suicide
PJ Harvey
Arcade Fire

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 13:49pm


Performers:

Mary J. Blige
The Commodores
LCD Soundsystem
George Michael
The Shangri-Las
Siouxie & The Banshees
Kanye West

Non-Performers:

Lester Bangs
Sylvia Robinson

Influences:

John Cage
The Louvin Brothers

Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar
Tim Cappello

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 13:57pm


Darren,

That is my vote. I'm not voting in the other catagories.

Sorry for the confusion.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 14:29pm


I think that there are still plenty of good picks left for Influence (I had six I wanted to vote for this year), but I'd have no problem retiring Sideman and making NP more of an every other year or every three years kinda thing.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 15:38pm


Been keeping track of the proceedings myself...five Performers have pulled away and are all but assured induction this year...plenty of artists could snag the last two open spots, however.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 17:53pm


At a glance, my guess is that those 5 are Arcade Fire, Neu!, Suicide, S&TB, and Kanye West.

Pretty wide variety there! I admittedly am hoping something from the 60's or 90's takes at least one of the last 2 spots. Seems like a lot of contenders.

Posted by BSLO on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 18:04pm


BSLO - Almost right. PJ Harvey is in the top 5 and Neu! is in sixth. You're right otherwise, though.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 18:08pm


How exciting to be back!

Performers:
1.) The Offspring
2.) Ozzy Osbourne
3.) The Guess Who
4.) Siouxie And The Banshees
5.) A Tribe Called Quest
6.) The Dells
7.) The Chemical Brothers

Non-Performers:
1.) Thom Bell
2.) Frankie Knuckles

Influences:
1.) Lonnie Donegan
2.) Memphis Minnie

Sidemen:
1.) Daddy Gene Barge
2.) Fred Wesley

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 18:09pm


"How exciting to be back!" - Steve Z

Welcome back, Steve. Have you considered sticking around for our monthly Song and Album Projects? We could really use your voice. Both projects have been hitting a really good stride the last couple of months with the addition of some solid new members.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 19:23pm


At long last, we have brought forth our Crown Jewel of this website: The Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2029! It has certainly been quite the wait this time out. This year, I wanted to do something different than in my previous ballots. Usually, I would follow a trend in whom was being voted on and then decide on my ballot. This time, I feel ready to be more of a leader than a follower, so to speak. Thus, I present my ballot, left unchanged, for the Class of 2029. Some are appearing on my ballot for the first time.


Performers

Kanye West
Arcade Fire
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
Tangerine Dream
Polly Jean Harvey (P.J. Harvey)
Siouxie Sioux/Siouxie And The Banshees
Yellow Magic Orchestra

Non-Performers

Hipgnosis
Sylvia Robinson

Influences

Townes Van Zandt
John Cage

Sidemen

Jennifer Batten
Paul Carrack

Well, that is my ballot. I will await a few more days before there might be any changes in my ballot, if it comes to that. Perhaps I should explain on my choices of artists and non-performers on my ballot but not yet on fellow posters' ballots.


Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project: I have had these two influential and unique masters of recording and songcraft as locks for this ballot some time now. There has never been an equivalent to Parsosn and Woolfson, and there may never be an equivalent.

Tangerine Dream: I have had this band on my ballot as a lock for quite a few months now. Indeed, recent events souurounding Tangerine Dream have prompted a need for induction in my opinion. They are perhaps the best experimentalist act of their era.

Yellow Magic Orchestra: I mentioned a while back that perhaps the time should come when we can honor important Japanese Rock figures. If I were to pick one, it would be YMO: whom to Japan and Asia what the Beatles were to the UK and Europe. They re also quite influential outside their homeland and their field of electronic pop music.

Hipgnosis: I put this collective on my ballot to honor and also to rectify arriving at inducting this group later than they should have gone in. As we know, Storm Thorgerson died in April. In addition, Peter Christopherson died three years ago. That leaves Aubrey Powell as the sole surviving partner in Hipgnosis. They were innovative visualists; perhaps the leading visualists in their respective fields.

Paul Carrack: I realize it might be difficult to have Paul Carrack inducted as a sidemen. After all, Carrack was equally a performer of his own accord than a sideman. Yet, Paul Carrack only has 4 albums to his name. The rest, including his most well known songs, came as a hired gun of sorts for other artists.

Once again, that is my ballot. I thank Future Rock Legends for allowing the Class of 2029 to be decided upon. I look forward to more Revisited/Projected election cycles in the time to come. Perhaps they will be sooner than we all expect.

See how the world goes round,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 22:02pm


My ballot for the 2029 Class

The Offspring
Ozzy Osbourne
Kanye West
Paul Revere & The Raiders
Three Dog Night
The Shangri-Las
Foreigner

Early Influences
Sarah Vaughan
Lonnie Donnegin

Non-Performer
Doctor Demento
Don Kirshner

Sidemen
The Roots
Band of Gypsys

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 22:54pm


My Ballot:

Arcade Fire
Kanye West
LCD Soundsystem
Ozzy Osbourne
PJ Harvey
Siouxsie And The Banshees
Suicide

I'll vote for the other categories at another time.

My top vote switch option is The Guess Who.

The top artists I considered as finalists for my ballot, but didn't make the cut (due to lack of current support):

Lou Reed
Wilco
Fugazi
Sweet
Tori Amos
Modest Mouse
Muse
System Of A Down
The Jesus And Mary Chain

There were also numerous artists I would have voted for if they had enough support. I posted that list on this forum last week.

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 00:12am


can we get a full update please? also the previous rule was only 1 vote switch allowed in the first 24 hours after ballot submission, correct?

Posted by jtrichey on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 00:17am


My Rock Hall Projected ballot for the Class of 2029...

Performers

Phil Collins
The Alan Parsons Project
Foreigner
Three Dog Night
The J. Geils Band
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Bachman-Turner Overdrive

Non-Performers

Thom Bell
Richard Perry

Influences

Andy Williams
The Four Aces

Side-Men

Ellie Greenwich
Bob Babbitt

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 00:23am


jtrichey - You're correct about the vote swap rule for Projected.

Give me a couple minutes and I'll post the standings.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 00:45am


What I'm showing (through Rick's ballot) is:

Kanye West - 14
Arcade Fire - 11
Siouxsie & the Banshees - 10
PJ Harvey - 9
Suicide - 8
Ozzy Osbourne - 7
----------------------------
LCD Soundsystem - 5
Neu! - 5
The Offspring - 5
----------------------------
The Chemical Brothers - 4
The Shangri La's - 4
The Guess Who - 4

De La Soul - 3
Captain Beefheart - 3
Foreigner - 3

Wilco - 2
Lou Reed - 2
Mary J. Blige - 2
Mariah Carey - 2
The Alan Parsons Project - 2
Three Dog Night - 2

Billy Idol - 1
Sweet - 1
Poco - 1
Ministry - 1
Carole King - 1
Badfinger - 1
Cliff Richard & the Shadows - 1
The Small Faces - 1
The Human League - 1
Portishead - 1
The Commodores - 1
George Michael - 1
Eliot Smith - 1
Fugazi - 1
Sublime - 1
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan - 1
Tori Amos - 1
A Tribe Called Quest - 1
The Dells - 1
Tangerine Dream - 1
Yellow Magic Orchestra - 1
Paul Revere & the Raiders - 1
Phil Collins - 1
J. Geils Band - 1
Blood, Sweat & Tears - 1
Bachman-Turner Overdrive - 1

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 00:59am


This is my first time participating in this site's many projects. For my first ballot, I'm going with a mix of what I support most mixed with what already has a fair amount of support.

Arcade Fire
Suicide
The Offspring
Foreigner
The Guess Who
Sioxusie & the Banshees
Boston (didn't see support, but pretty worthy)

Not a big rap fan, but good job Kanye.

Posted by The Aviator Dragon on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 01:04am


Kanye West
Neu!
The Shangri-Las
Carole King
The Moonglows
The Chemical Brothers
Carly Simon

Amos Milburn
Conway Twitty

John R.
Sylvia Robinson

The Roots
Daddy Gene Barge

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 06:05am


my ballot:

PJ Harvey
Ozzy Osbourne
The Offspring
The Shangri La's
Lou Reed
Sweet
Cliff Richard & the Shadows

Posted by Darrin A on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 15:00pm


The Moonglows
De La Soul
Chemical Brothers
Guess Who
Shangri-Las
Dells
Tokens

N-P:
Thom Bell
Bob Crewe

Influences:
Amos Milburn
Johnny Moore's Three Blazers

Sidemen:
Fred Wesley
Daddy Gene Barge

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 17:18pm


The Chemical Brothers
Siouxsie & The Banshees
Ozzy Osbourne
Suicide
The Small Faces
Boogie Down Productions
The Prodigy

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 18:09pm


Current standings for all categories (Through Philip's ballot):

Performers

Kanye West - 15
Arcade Fire - 12
Siouxsie & the Banshees - 11
PJ Harvey - 10
Suicide - 9
Ozzy Osbourne - 8
----------------------------------
The Shangri La's - 7
The Offspring - 7
----------------------------------
Neu! - 6
The Chemical Brothers - 6

LCD Soundsystem - 5

De La Soul - 4
Foreigner - 4

Captain Beefheart - 3
Lou Reed - 3

Wilco - 2
Sweet - 2
Carole King - 2
Cliff Richard & the Shadows - 2
Mary J. Blige - 2
Mariah Carey - 2
The Dells - 2
The Alan Parsons Project - 2
Three Dog Night - 2
The Moonglows - 2

Billy Idol -1
Poco - 1
Ministry - 1
Badfinger - 1
The Small Faces - 1
The Human League - 1
Portishead - 1
The Commodores - 1
George Michael - 1
Elliot Smith - 1
Fugazi - 1
Sublime - 1
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan - 1
Tori Amos - 1
A Tribe Called Quest - 1
Tangerine Dream - 1
Yellow Magic Orchestra - 1
Paul Revere & the Raiders - 1
Phil Collins - 1
J. Geils Band - 1
Blood, Sweat & Tears - 1
Bachman-Turner Overdrive - 1
Boston - 1
Carly Simon - 1
The Tokens - 1

Please let me know if you find errors or are also tracking the results and have a different count. Thanks.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 18:33pm


Non Performer:

Sylvia Robinson - 8
-----------------------------
Lester Bangs - 4
Thom Bell - 4
-----------------------------
Norman Petty - 3

Richard Perry - 2
Frankie Knuckles - 2

Bob Ezrin - 1
Jon Landau - 1
Boudleaux & Felice Bryant - 1
Hipgnosis - 1
Doctor Demento - 1
Don Kirshner - 1
John R. - 1
Bob Crewe - 1

Influence:

--------------------------------------
John Cage - 5
Townes Van Zandt - 5
Sarah Vaughan - 5
--------------------------------------
Lonnie Donnegan - 3
Amos Milburn - 3

Pete Seeger - 2
Andy Williams - 2
Memphis Minnie - 2
Conway Twitty - 2

The Louvin Brothers - 1
The Four Aces - 1
Johnny Moore's Three Blazers - 1

Sideman:

Daddy Gene Barge - 4
---------------------------------------
Band of Gypsys - 3
Dick Parry - 3
Jennifer Batten - 3
The Roots - 3
Bob Babbitt - 3
Fred Wesley - 3
----------------------------------------
Clarence Clemons - 1
Cornell DuPree - 1
Gail Ann Dorsey - 1
Carlos Alomar - 1
Tim Capello - 1
Paul Carrack - 1
Ellie Greenwich - 1

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 18:34pm


DarinRG - I haven't had a chance to update my standings and do a full comparison, but you don't have The Guess Who on your Performer Standings.

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 18:58pm



Please let me know if you find errors or are also tracking the results and have a different count. Thanks.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 18:33pm

I think you forgot The Guess Who in the vote tally. I have them at 6 votes

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 19:08pm


Darren and Tom - You're correct. I also have them at 6.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 19:19pm


Okay, this is my actual current count correcting my omission of the Guess Who and including Sam's votes.

Kanye West - 15
Arcade Fire - 12
Siouxsie & the Banshees - 12
PJ Harvey - 10
Suicide - 10
Ozzy Osbourne - 9
----------------------------------
The Shangri La's - 7
The Offspring - 7
The Chemical Brothers - 7
----------------------------------
Neu! - 6
The Guess Who - 6

LCD Soundsystem - 5

De La Soul - 4
Foreigner - 4

Captain Beefheart - 3
Lou Reed - 3

Wilco - 2
Sweet - 2
Carole King - 2
Cliff Richard & the Shadows - 2
Mary J. Blige - 2
Mariah Carey - 2
The Dells - 2
The Alan Parsons Project - 2
Three Dog Night - 2
The Moonglows - 2
The Small Faces - 2

Billy Idol -1
Poco - 1
Ministry - 1
Badfinger - 1
The Human League - 1
Portishead - 1
The Commodores - 1
George Michael - 1
Elliot Smith - 1
Fugazi - 1
Sublime - 1
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan - 1
Tori Amos - 1
A Tribe Called Quest - 1
Tangerine Dream - 1
Yellow Magic Orchestra - 1
Paul Revere & the Raiders - 1
Phil Collins - 1
J. Geils Band - 1
Blood, Sweat & Tears - 1
Bachman-Turner Overdrive - 1
Boston - 1
Carly Simon - 1
The Tokens - 1
Boogie Down Productions - 1
The Prodigy - 1

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 19:22pm


DarinRG - In Non-Performers, you have 3 votes for Norman Petty. I only have 2:

Greg F.
Gassman

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 22:35pm


Darren - I went back through and double checked. Your count is correct. I've adjusted my tally.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 22:47pm


The list seems to be set so I'm just going to push for some deserving acts and bring up some new ones because it seems some of the ones I wanted to vote for already have enough votes.

Performers:
De La Soul-
Very innovative hip-hop group, 3 Feet High and Rising was a revolutionary album as was De La Soul Is Dead.
The Guess Who-
Great hard rock band, created some influential tracks such as "These Eyes" and "American Woman"
LCD Soundsystem-
I personally love this band, they created solid album after solid album.
A Tribe Called Quest-
Arguably the GREATEST ALTERNATIVE HIP-HOP GROUP! They should be inducted for just The Low End Theory.
Phish-
They have sold well album wise, but their fan base and live shows are sets them apart.
Lou Reed-
Transformer was a great album and even though he is already in with the Velvet Underground, but I don't think that should hold him back.
The Offspring-
Other than Green Day they are the greatest 90's punk act and helped bring punk to the mainstream.



Early Influence:
Harry Belafonte
Roy Brown

Non-Performer:
Danger Mouse
Simon Cowell-
I feel like I have to explain this pick, I'm not a fan of American Idol or any of the other shows he prodced, but he is here because of his involvement in producing the shows not for judging. He has produced American Idol, X Factor (both US and UK), and other shows. He has discovered many stars and inspired people to sing and strive to achieve their dreams.


Posted by Ryan on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 10:58am


Sidemen:
Dick Parry
Fred Wesley

I would've voted for The Roots, but I would rather see them inducted as performers.

Posted by Ryan on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 11:12am


I understand your vote for Simon Cowell. If we judge his accomplishments pure objectively, everyone has to agree he is one of the dominant and influential figures in today's music.

I'm pretty sure we already inducted Roy Brown as an influence.

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 16:45pm


I agree. Cowell is a very reasonable pick. I'm not a fan of most of the artists he's had success with, nonetheless, that success is there and well documented. My tastes are irrelevant in the equation.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 17:14pm


I suppose I can ok the Cowell vote for the reasons Darin mentioned. From an impact perspective he certainly deserves it, I just struggle to see an influence or impact on anything even close to rock 'n' roll.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 18:04pm


Ballot:

Performers:

The Offspring
Queens of the Stone Age
Ozzy Osbourne
The Chemical Brothers
Phish
Collective Soul
The Fat Boys

Non-Performers:

Brendan O'Brien
Don Kirhsner

Influences:

Stan Kenton
Ahmad Jamal

Sidemen:

Vernon Reid
Eddie Martinez - Martinez was the guitarist on Run DMC's early songs.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 10.26.13 @ 06:20am


For the record - I would already like to change my vote in the sidemen category.

I have just spotted a stupendous oversight - perhaps the last genuine goof we may ever have.


Not once did we bother to induct Jimmy Page as a Sideman for his work in the 1960's. If anyone wants to double-check my checking, go ahead. Perhaps I missed it, but I don't think so. Is there a reason why? Did we all agree on something two yrs. ago that's been forgotten?

If not, then I'd like to drop Vernon Reid, and put Jimmy Page in his spot.

If somebody else wishes to verify this, please do so!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 10.26.13 @ 06:27am


"The other two categories should be dumped by this point...just look at the choices that people are voting for...eventually, you hit a wall when it comes to people that helped form key components of this industry, especially since the modern era lacks such famous session musicians, modern labels of worldwide renown (like Atlantic or Motown) or people currently influencing rock from outside its spectrum. Frankly, I would not be unhappy if we retired all three of those categories altogether. Support for Jon Landau who was just a shill for Bruce? Support for Townes Van Zandt as an Influence even though he did stuff similar to Gram Parsons AFTER Gram Parsons? (I only voted for him in order to get his name listed in this project) It's just getting a little absurd."

I don't think the categories should be retired. A quick perusal of digitaldreamdoor's pages for non-performers, sidemen and early influence candidates show a ton of deserving people we haven't yet considered. Not to mention other figures beyond those lists who are just as deserving of consideration. I think what's happening here is lack of awareness and research and as a result, people are grasping to vote for any semi-recognisable name out there regardless of actual qualifications. I hate to be dramatic but that kinda makes us no better than some actual Rock Hall voters. I'd hate to abandon these categories like the Hall has seemingly done, when there is still a heap of deserving candidates out there.

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 10.26.13 @ 22:25pm


Due to the sad news today I am switching my Neu! vote to Lou Reed. Lets get him in!

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 10.27.13 @ 15:20pm


I'm with you Gassman, since Kanye got enough votes, I'm switching him with Lou Reed

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 10.27.13 @ 15:51pm


I checked the rules and you can only change your vote within 24 hours. Too bad!

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 10.27.13 @ 16:18pm


If we could, I'd have joined you guys. Reed was almost on my ballot then I decided at the last minute not to play the "Arcade Fire will be fine without me" card that I was planning to play. Turns out they would've been.

He's a lock for me next year, though.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.27.13 @ 17:00pm


Here's my count of what the vote is currently. Let me know if I've made any errors.

Performer:

Kanye West - 15

Arcade Fire - 12

Siouxsie & the Banshees - 12

PJ Harvey - 10

Suicide - 10

Ozzy Osbourne - 10
The Offspring - 9

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The Chemical Brothers - 8



The Shangri La's - 7
The Guess Who - 7


Neu! - 6

LCD Soundsystem - 6


De La Soul - 5


Foreigner - 4

Lou Reed - 4


Captain Beefheart - 3



Wilco - 2

Sweet - 2

Carole King - 2

Cliff Richard & the Shadows - 2

Mary J. Blige - 2

Mariah Carey - 2

The Dells - 2

The Alan Parsons Project - 2

Three Dog Night - 2

The Moonglows - 2

The Small Faces - 2
Phish - 2
A Tribe Called Quest - 2



Billy Idol -1

Poco - 1

Ministry - 1

Badfinger - 1

The Human League - 1

Portishead - 1

The Commodores - 1

George Michael - 1

Elliot Smith - 1

Fugazi - 1

Sublime - 1

Rufus w/ Chaka Khan - 1

Tori Amos - 1

Tangerine Dream - 1

Yellow Magic Orchestra - 1

Paul Revere & the Raiders - 1

Phil Collins - 1

J. Geils Band - 1

Blood, Sweat & Tears - 1

Bachman-Turner Overdrive - 1

Boston - 1

Carly Simon - 1

The Tokens - 1

Boogie Down Productions - 1

The Prodigy - 1
Queens of the Stone Age - 1
Collective Soul - 1
The Fat Boys - 1

Non Performer:



Sylvia Robinson - 8


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Lester Bangs - 4

Thom Bell - 4

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Norman Petty - 2

Richard Perry - 2

Frankie Knuckles - 2
Don Kirshner - 2



Bob Ezrin - 1

Jon Landau - 1

Boudleaux & Felice Bryant - 1

Hipgnosis - 1

Doctor Demento - 1

John R. - 1

Bob Crewe - 1
Danger Mouse - 1
Simon Cowell - 1
Brendan O'Brien - 1



Influence:



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John Cage - 5

Townes Van Zandt - 5

Sarah Vaughan - 5

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Lonnie Donnegan - 3

Amos Milburn - 3



Pete Seeger - 2

Andy Williams - 2

Memphis Minnie - 2

Conway Twitty - 2



The Louvin Brothers - 1

The Four Aces - 1 

Harry Belafonte - 1
Johnny Moore's Three Blazers - 1
Stan Kenton - 1
Ahmad Jamal - 1



Sideman:

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"Daddy" Gene Barge - 4
Dick Parry - 4
Fred Wesley - 4

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Band of Gypsys - 3

Jennifer Batten - 3

The Roots - 3

Bob Babbitt - 3



Clarence Clemons - 1

Cornell DuPree - 1

Gail Ann Dorsey - 1

Carlos Alomar - 1

Tim Capello - 1

Paul Carrack - 1

Ellie Greenwich - 1
Jimmy Page - 1
Eddie Martinez - 1

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 10.27.13 @ 20:58pm


I am probably too late to influence the balloting, but if I can still chip in:

-The Gin Blossoms
-Blood, Sweat & Tears
-Carole King
-The Guess Who
-Real McCoy

Early Influences:
-Pete Seeger
-Harry Belafonte

Sidemen:
-Clarence Clemons
-Mark Rivera

Posted by PopeCharming on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 08:21am


PopeCharming - You have two more Performer votes.

What is the rule for incomplete performer ballots? Do we count the votes in the incomplete ballot? The Early Influences and Sidemen ballots count either way.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 13:48pm


At the time that we instituted the 24 hour vote change rule we also instituted a full ballot rule for Projected. Both were instituted to prevent people from manipulating the final results or blocking acts that they personally didn't approve of at the last minute, which was happening frequently at the time.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 14:43pm


To summarize: PopeCharming, we welcome you and will gladly count your ballot if you'll please add two more artist votes.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 15:12pm


Is that for all categories, because jtrichey only cast one vote in the sideman category.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 15:55pm


That's a good question. I know for a fact that it pertains to the artists, but I don't remember if it pertains to the secondary categories, to be honest.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 16:25pm


non-performer:

Lester Bangs
Dr. Demento

Influence:

Pete Seeger
Andy Williams

Side:

Fred Wesley
Jimmy Page

Posted by Darrin A on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 18:10pm


Thank you for pointing out the discrepancy on the ballot- beginner's mistake.

I'd like to cast my remaining two Performer votes for the Indigo Girls and Three Dog Night, in that case.

And since I also see that I am allowed two non-performer votes, I'll do with Thom Bell and Dr. Demento.

Posted by PopeCharming on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 19:34pm


PopeCharming - Thanks. You're all good now.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 21:09pm


The rest of my ballot:

Non-Performers:

Lester Bangs
Brendan O'Brien

Influences:

Pete Seeger
Townes Van Zandt

Sidemen:

Band Of Gypsys
Clarence Clemons

Posted by Darren on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 22:24pm


We've basically allowed people to fill out incomplete ballots at a later point...provided they don't change who they voted for at an earlier point. Obviously, we'd want people to submit seven Performer votes right away though as it will reek of manipulation if someone were to wait until the last minute and break a tie or two themselves.

I don't think anyone interested in this project WON'T submit seven Performer names as long as they're clear on the process, so probably something we won't ever have to worry about.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 22:27pm


To make the question moot I will throw a sideman vote to:

Slash (my go to sideman nominee in the blind ballot project that nobody ever voted for)

Posted by jtrichey on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 22:57pm


I noticed something while I was reviewing the Performers vote count and the individual votes themselves. Two artists, The Chemical Brothers and LCD Soundsystem, would seem to be likely to share a fan base, but in the past two years, only one voter (jtrichey, last year) who voted for LCD Soundsystem also voted for The Chemical Brothers. Vote switches outside of the first 24 hours of the vote aren't allowed in this project, so there's nothing that can be changed at this point, but it stands to reason that if the voters that supported both artists had been aware of the situation they could have changed their support prior to their vote and potentially elected The Chemical Brothers in 2012 and LCD Soundsystem in 2013, instead of potentially neither in 2012 or 2013. This is only one example of this type of situation. Other potential examples would be acts with similar fan bases such as A Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul or Badfinger and Three Dog Night.

In this year's vote, there are currently 30 votes cast for artists that only have one vote. Another 24 votes are cast for artists that only have two votes. Out of a total 189 votes, 54 votes (28.6%) were cast for artists that have one or two votes. I understand the purpose of a "throw-away" vote for an artist that doesn't have a chance. Throwing a vote in the direction of said artist isn't about THIS year's vote, but is instead about raising awareness for NEXT year's vote. I considering using my 7th vote on The Jesus And Mary Chain for this purpose, but Suicide needed my vote instead.

Before you read ahead, I'm not proposing nominations. lol The topic came up last year and was rejected as not being a good fit for this particular project. What I'd like to propose is a way to keep activity on this board going year-round (there's some good debates from time to time, but it's mostly dead for 10-11 months out of the year) and provide an organized reference for voters to use to gauge the level of interest for eligible artists.

My idea is based loosely on the genre voting that has been recently added to the Song Project. What I would suggest is that every month we focus on one genre (classic rock, alternative rock, hip hop, R&B, etc.) to determine which artists from each genre the participants in this project are most likely to support.

After the genres have been determined, we'd spend a few days determining which artists fit into each genre. Then when that genre's month starts we could have a few weeks of discussion / debate about the artists under consideration and then have a vote to determine the 10/15/20/25 most likely candidates from each genre, followed by a ranking vote to create a "most likely inductees" list that voters could use as a reference in September / October when voting begins.

I think this would be a fun way to keep this discussion active year-round and identify the best "prospects" heading into next year's vote. What does everyone think?

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 00:08am


Darren - I'm all for it. I'm one of those people who could've gone for either the Chemical Brothers or LCD Soundsystem and I wish that we could've had enough discussion to consolidate behind one of them. There are many other genres that seem to have support scattered amongst multiple artists.

Three of my pet projects look like they're going to make it this year which opens up some space for me, so it would be great going into next years vote knowing a bit more where the support will be.

On top of that, I'm seeing a lot of great candidates sitting in the 1-3 vote range this year and it would be nice to be able to generate more support for them in the future.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 01:24am


Just a heads up for people that have yet to get their ballots in that voting closes tonight at 9:30 Eastern Time.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 10:12am


Darren - I think that's a good idea as well. My only fear would be that it would set in place who we are planning on inducting before we vote. I like the randomness of our current votes.

Also would anyone be interested in doing write ups for our inductees? We did this a couple years ago and it kinda fell apart. I think the main issue was the paragraph write up. What I am thinking we could do for a revemp write up would be:

1. Picture
2. Place of origin
3. Years active
4. Members inducted
5. Inductor
6. Induction Performer (Taking into account if they were alive when we inducted them and their relations with other band members or the Hall i.e. CCR, Sex Pistols, Guns N Roses)
7. Ceromny songs (3 that exemplfy the acts career)
8. An extreamly brief explanation for induction, like 2-5 sentences

Maybe FRL could then post our little write ups on the artist pace?

Thoughts?

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 15:15pm


Just realized I almost forgot my other categories:

Non-Performers:



Lester Bangs
Don Kirshner

Influences:

Townes Van Zandt
Amos Milburn

Sidemen:

The Roots
Bob Babbitt


As for Darren's idea, I like the logic behind it, but I agree with Gassman that I would like to see it done informally to the point that we aren't essentially writing out our ballots before the vote happens. Rallying behind one band from a genre definitely makes sense though.

We have seen an informal approach work particularly well with metal artists the past two years with Pantera and (likely) Ozzy getting inducted, and very few rogue votes from the genre flying around. I admittedly tried to rally the classic rock vote behind The Guess Who this year, and although they look like they are going to fall just short of induction, they seem to have a great chance now for next year.

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 15:34pm


I think discussions would be great, but actual voting/ranking might hurt. Keeping it pretty informal I think would be preferred.

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 15:52pm


Gassman, write-ups are a pretty good idea. It might be a good change in this website.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 16:00pm


So here's the final voting tally. Seems we have a 3-way tie in Influences and a 5-way tie in sidemen. If there are any mistakes I've made, let me know.


Performer:



Kanye West - 15

Arcade Fire - 12

Siouxsie & the Banshees - 12

PJ Harvey - 10

Suicide - 10

Ozzy Osbourne - 10

The Offspring - 9

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The Chemical Brothers - 8
The Guess Who - 8



The Shangri La's - 7



Neu! - 6

LCD Soundsystem - 6



De La Soul - 5



Foreigner - 4

Lou Reed - 4



Captain Beefheart - 3
Carole King - 3



Wilco - 2

Sweet - 2

Cliff Richard & the Shadows - 2

Mary J. Blige - 2

Mariah Carey - 2

The Dells - 2

The Alan Parsons Project - 2

Three Dog Night - 2

The Moonglows - 2

The Small Faces - 2

Phish - 2 

A Tribe Called Quest - 2
Blood, Sweat & Tears - 2



Billy Idol -1

Poco - 1

Ministry - 1

Badfinger - 1

The Human League - 1

Portishead - 1

The Commodores - 1

George Michael - 1

Elliot Smith - 1

Fugazi - 1

Sublime - 1

Rufus w/ Chaka Khan - 1

Tori Amos - 1

Tangerine Dream - 1

Yellow Magic Orchestra - 1

Paul Revere & the Raiders - 1

Phil Collins - 1

J. Geils Band - 1

Bachman-Turner Overdrive - 1

Boston - 1

Carly Simon - 1

The Tokens - 1

Boogie Down Productions - 1

The Prodigy - 1

Queens of the Stone Age - 1

Collective Soul - 1

The Fat Boys - 1
Real McCoy - 1
Gin Blossoms - 1



Non Performer:

Sylvia Robinson - 8

Lester Bangs - 7

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Thom Bell - 4


Don Kirshner - 3

Norman Petty - 2

Richard Perry - 2

Frankie Knuckles - 2
Doctor Demento - 2
Brendan O'Brien - 2



Bob Ezrin - 1

Jon Landau - 1

Boudleaux & Felice Bryant - 1

Hipgnosis - 1

John R. - 1

Bob Crewe - 1

Danger Mouse - 1

Simon Cowell - 1





Influence:

Townes Van Zandt - 7

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John Cage - 5

Sarah Vaughan - 5
Pete Seeger - 5

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Amos Milburn – 4

Lonnie Donnegan - 3
Andy Williams - 3



Memphis Minnie - 2

Conway Twitty - 2
Harry Belafonte - 2



The Louvin Brothers - 1

The Four Aces - 1 

Johnny Moore's Three Blazers - 1

Stan Kenton - 1

Ahmad Jamal - 1





Sideman:

Fred Wesley - 5

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"Daddy" Gene Barge - 4

Dick Parry - 4
Band of Gypsys - 4
The Roots - 4

Bob Babbitt - 4

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Jennifer Batten - 3

Clarence Clemons - 3

Jimmy Page - 2

Cornell DuPree - 1

Gail Ann Dorsey - 1

Carlos Alomar - 1

Tim Capello - 1

Paul Carrack - 1

Ellie Greenwich - 1

Eddie Martinez - 1
Mark Rivera - 1
Slash - 1

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 21:46pm


Voting is closed! Currently in the process of adding up the last set of votes. Results will be posted shortly!

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 21:48pm


Whoops! Jumped the gun, I guess. Sorry Gassman! I guess I was just excited is all.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 21:51pm


I'm using Steve Z's totals. So here are our inductees!

Performers:

Arcade Fire
The Offspring
PJ Harvey
Ozzy Osbourne
Siouxsie & the Banshees
Suicide
Kanye West

Non-Performers:

Lester Bangs
Sylvia Robinson

Influence:

Townes Van Zandt


Tiebreaker (Rank the 3, pick 1):

John Cage
Pete Seeger
Sarah Vaughan

Sidemen:

Fred Wesley

Tiebreaker (Rank the 5, pick 1):

Bob Babbitt
Band of Gypsys
"Daddy" Gene Barge
Dick Parry
The Roots

Tiebreakers start now and will last three days. Voting will close Friday at 9:30pm.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 22:00pm


EDIT: The Offspring should be after PJ Harvey when listed above.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 22:03pm


Well, even knowing that not every artist and Non-Performer on our ballots have been inducted; I for one am pleased with whom we have inducted into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2029. My heartfelt congradulations to those inducted into our Crown Jewel. Hopefully this will be a step in the eventual direction in getting inducted into the RRHOF in the near future.

Now, we have a little time left to rank the artists in our tiebreakers. At least it is one for each category. Here then are my rankings for the tiebreakers, based on primarily my personal preferences.


Influences

John Cage - 3
Pete Seeger - 2
Sarah Vaughan - 1

Sidemen

Dick Parry - 5
Billy Cox/Buddy Miles/Band Of Gypsys - 4
The Roots - 3
Bob Babbitt - 2
"Daddy" Gene Barge - 1

Well, there is my tiebraking ballot for this election cycle. I would like to chirp inn and concur in agreeing to Darrin's proposal for lengthy yet informal discussions on potential inductees for 2030. In addiiton, I also agree with bringing forth synopsis and induction festivities on the Rock Hall Project inductees. I do have some ideas of presentation on quite a number of inductees.

One year later and still in the calm of Part 17 of Blint's Tune,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 22:20pm


Influences:

Pete Seeger - 3
John Cage - 2
Sarah Vaughn - 1

Sidemen:

The Roots - 5
Bob Babbit - 4
Band of Gypsys - 3
Dick Perry - 2
"Daddy" Gene Barge - 1

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 22:45pm


Influences:

Pete Seeger - 3
John Cage - 2
Sarah Vaughn - 1


Sidemen:

"Daddy" Gene Barge - 5
Bob Babbitt - 4
The Roots - 3
Dick Parry - 2
Band Of Gypsys - 1

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 22:57pm


Influences:

Pete Seeger - 3
John Cage - 2
Sarah Vaughn - 1

Sidemen:

The Roots - 5
"Daddy" Gene Barge - 4
Bob Babbit - 3
Dick Perry - 2
Band of Gypsys - 1

Posted by Ian on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 23:03pm


Influences:

Pete Seeger - 3
Sarah Vaughan - 2
John Cage - 1

Sidemen:

Band Of Gypsys - 5
The Roots - 4
Dick Parry - 3
Bob Babbitt - 2
Daddy Gene Barge - 1

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 23:49pm


A very nice induction year. IMO, much better than last years honorees.

The Chemical Brothers and The Guess Who finish one vote shy, and were both on my ballot, so that's too bad, but they will have a leg up for next year.

1st time eligible next year not overly impressive with The Killers probably leading the way. I can see them getting in, and I like them a lot, but I might like to see a little more output from them before giving them entry.

On a side note, it may have been an advantage for Arcade Fire that the vote came before their new album dropped. Bought it today and was a little taken aback on first listen. We'll see if it grows on me.

Posted by jtrichey on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 00:02am


We already inducted Pete Seeger with The Weavers and The Roots as a side-group is so wrong.

Influences:

John Cage - 3
Sarah Vaughan - 2
Pete Seeger - 1

Sidemen:

Dick Parry - 5
Band Of Gypsys - 4
Bob Babbitt - 3
Daddy Gene Barge - 2
The Roots - 1

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 00:15am


Influence:

John Cage 3
Sarah Vaughan 2
Pete Seeger 1

Sidemen:

Bob Babbitt 5
"Daddy" Gene Barge 4
Band of Gypsys 3
Dick Parry 2
The Roots 1

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 00:58am


Tie-Breakers:

Influences:

Pete Seeger - 3
Sarah Vaughn - 2
John Cage - 1

Sidemen:

Band of Gypsys - 5
Daddy Gene Barge - 4
The Roots - 3
Dick Parry - 2
Bob Babbitt - 1

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 05:16am


Silly note that has absolutely nothing to do w/anything (but is being written because it's 5:20 A.M.):

Our 2015 Performers class is the first one where no artist has officially been elected to the real Hall of Fame. This, however, could change this year, w/both Hall & Oates & Cat Stevens on the official ballot.

Our 2020 class is the first one where no one we've selected has gained entrance to the Hall, as of yet.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 05:22am


I teach history at a university in Singapore, and if you are important enough for me to use in my American history lectures, you belong in the hall of fame, so I'm prioritizing Seeger.

3. Pete Seeger
2. Sarah Vaughn
1. John Cage

and the Side-men vote:

5. Dick Parry
4. Bob Babbitt
3. Band of Gypsies
2. The Roots
1. Daddy Gene Barge

Posted by PopeCharming on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 05:50am


Tiebreaker vote:

Pete Seeger (3 pts)
Sarah Vaughan (2 pts)
John Cage (1 pt)

Not voting in sideman catagory

Fine class! Can you imagine the induction ceremony?!

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 07:52am


My tie-breaker votes

Influence

1-Sarah Vaughan
2-Pete Seeger
3-John Cage

Sidemen

1-The Roots
2-Band of Gypsys
3-"Daddy" Gene Barge
4-Dick Parry
5-Bob Babbitt

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 09:40am


1 - John Cage
2 - Sarah Vaughan
3 - Pete Seeger

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 12:23pm


Just a quick note to the FRL website, Fred Wesley was inducted with this class under the sideman category.


In regards to Pete Seeger, I figured that his career outside of the Weavers has proven to be significant in its own right anyway. Babbitt is also already an inductee in our hall as a member of the Funk Brothers, so remember for those voting for him that this possible 2nd induction counts for his work outside of what he did as a member of the Funk Brothers (which I'm not opposing either.)

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 14:36pm


tie-break votes:


Pete Seeger (3 pts)
Sarah Vaughan
John Cage


Band of Gypsys (5 pts)
The Roots
Babbitt
Parry
Barge

Posted by Darrin A on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 14:57pm


My tiebreaker vote:

Influences

1. Sarah Vaughan
2. John Cage
3. Pete Seeger

Sidemen

1. Band of Gypsys
2. "Daddy" Gene Barge
3. Bob Babbitt
4. Dick Parry
5. The Roots

Had I known the Weavers were already inducted, I wouldn't have voted for Seeger. His post-Weavers solo albums were released well into the rock era, and his political activism, while admirable, doesn't really count as a musical influence on its own.

As for the Roots, I have no idea why they're even in the running for the sidemen category. I was considering nominating them as a performing act but I gave their spot to De La Soul at the last minute. Now I fully intend on nominating them as performers in the next round of voting.

Posted by Taylor on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 15:20pm


Oh, Taylor = Idlewild, by the way. My computer automatically fills the name field with my real name and sometimes I forget to change it. Not that it's a big deal or anything, I just don't want to let a cool username like Idlewild go to waste.

Posted by Idlewild on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 15:24pm


Influence tie breaker:

John Cage (3 pt)
Sarah Vaughan
Pete Seeger

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 17:13pm


Influences:
Pete Seeger
John Cage
Sarah Vaughan

Sidemen:
Daddy Gene Barge
Bob Babbitt
Dick Parry
The Roots
Band of Gypsys

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 17:24pm


Influences:
Pete Seeger
John Cage
Sarah Vaughan

Sidemen:
Daddy Gene Barge
Bob Babbitt
Dick Parry
The Roots
Band of Gypsys

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 17:24pm


Influences:
Pete Seeger
John Cage
Sarah Vaughan

Sidemen:
Daddy Gene Barge
Bob Babbitt
Dick Parry
The Roots
Band of Gypsys

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 17:25pm


My sidemen tiebreaker:

1) "Daddy" Gene Barge
2) Dick Parry
3) Bob Babbitt
4) Band of Gypsy
5) The Roots

So, The Roots are sidemen? To...Jimmy Fallon?

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 17:29pm


I understand the push for Band of Gypsys as sidemen as little as I understand why people vote for The Roots. Who did they back? Not Jimi Hendrix, he was part of the Band of Gypsys. I could understand it if we were just voting for Buddy Miles, but now we are essentially voting one of world's greatest frontmen in the sideman category.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 18:06pm


Pete Seeger (3 points)
Sarah Vaughan
John Cage (1 Point)


Bob Babbitt (5 Points)
Dick Parry
Band of Gypsys
"Daddy" Gene Barge
The Roots (1 Point)

I honestly don't think that we should induct The Roots as sidemen, I really want them as performers next year.

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 21:12pm


Regarding the genre discussion groups, it sounds like there are quite a few people interested in doing this, but the vast majority don't want to have rankings because that would seem to pre-determine the inductees each year. While I do think we should still have some sort of way of identifying which artists have the most potential support a final ranking isn't nearly as important as a full discussion.

The first step in organizing these genre discussions is to determine which genres the eligible artists should be broken down into. If each discussion is slated for one month and we want to be sure to leave plenty of time for the final overall discussions we have every year, we should have 10 genres. Here are some suggestions to get us started (in alphabetical order):

Alternative / Indie Rock
Classic Rock
Country / Western
Dance / Electronic
Funk / Hip Hop / Rap
Hard Rock / Heavy Metal
Pre-Rock / Early Rock (pre Classic Rock) / Blues / Jazz
Punk / New Wave
R&B / Pop / Disco
Singer / Songwriter

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.31.13 @ 00:17am


I like the idea of the "genre of the month" discussion with the above genres serving as guidelines as I can't think of a single artist whose music can't fit into one or more of the casualties. This way everybody gets a fair shake at being discussed.

Out of curiousity would influence, non performer and sidemen categories be part of the overall discussion once the election gets close? Or would there be a select time to kick around ideas for these categories.

On a personal note I may be taking a break from the site towards the end of the month as my wife and I are expecting our third child at the end of the month. So I'll try contribute whenever I can around the holidays but might miss some votes and genre discussions.

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 11.1.13 @ 19:30pm


I believe the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2029 has completed the timeframe for their tiebreakers. Based on my calculations, here is the final inductees list for this year.


Performers

Arcade Fire
Polly Jean Harvey (PJ Harvey)
The Offspring
Ozzy Osbourne
Siouxsie Sioux/Siouxsie and The Banshees
Suicide
Kanye West

Non-Performers

Lester Bangs
Sylvia Robinson

Influences

Pete Seeger
Townes Van Zandt

Sidemen

Bob Babbitt
Fred Wesley

Our congratulations to all inducted, alive and posthumous. Now we can amend the listing of inductees at the top of this webpage. In addition, on to the discussions that Darrin has initiated. it should be quite exciting whom we might want for next year.

Correct me if there are any errors,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Friday, 11.1.13 @ 22:55pm


I'm getting different totals than you Lax. I have:

47 Bob Babbitt
49 Band of Gypsys
43 Daddy Gene Barge
45 Dick Parry
41 The Roots

Could anyone else who's kept track check those numbers?

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 11.1.13 @ 23:26pm


I wasn't tracking the tiebreaker numbers, but I'll put them together since there's a conflict in the counts.

Does anyone mind if we run the blind ballot inductions on this message board? I'll need to post some links to get everyone up to speed, voters will need to post their nominations and I'll need to post the final results (voting takes place via email).

Does anyone else have any changes that they'd like to make to the list of genres to discuss? Any genres missing? Any suggestions about the order in which the genres are discussed? I think that we want to build some momentum by starting with one of the larger genres, preferably Classic Rock.

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 00:19am


Lax30 / Gassman - My tiebreaker counts match up with Gassman's:

Pete Seeger - 39

John Cage - 32
Sarah Vaughan - 31
__________________

Band of Gypsys - 49

Bob Babbitt - 47
Dick Parry - 45
"Daddy" Gene Barge - 43
The Roots - 41


Tom H. - We could certainly figure out a time to discuss Non-Performers, Sidemen and Influences. Some of the genres will be significantly shorter discussions than others, so we could lump these three categories in with one of the smaller genres like Country / Western or Dance / Electronic.

Regarding The Roots, I agree that they aren't a great fit for the Sidemen category (these categories could use a bit of policing since we seem to just let anything in) and they definitely deserve consideration for the Performers category, but I hope that they don't get voted in as Performers as a way to block them getting voted in as Sidemen. There are a number of rap / hip hop performers that I feel have an equal or greater claim to a spot in the Project next year, such as Nas, Ice Cube, De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest. I'm not opposed to their induction, but I would hope that it was a result of the voters deciding that they were the best of many qualified candidates.

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 00:44am


I have several issues with the genre list. Why lump funk with hip hop, but not punk with alternative? Why a separate month for country, while blues and jazz are mixed with pre-rock r&b and rock & roll? Isn't there a huge overlap between classic rock and hard rock? Where should we discuss soul, British Invasion acts, prog, avant-garde, folk, psychedelic rock?

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 03:28am


I've tried to divide the major genres in 10 categories, only to realize there are far too many genres. 11 is the absolute minimum I could reach. Anyone any suggestions?

1. Classic R&B, doo wop, rockabilly, Chicago blues, surf
2. Soul, jazz, funk, Motown, disco
3. British Invasion, Mersey beat, blues rock, psychedelic rock
4. Country, folk, country rock, folk rock, singer-songwriter
5. Hard rock, metal, progressive rock, symphonic rock
6. Glam rock, avant-garde, krautrock, garage rock
7. Reggae, ska, dub, "world music"
8. Punk, post punk / new wave, alternative, indie
9. MTV era pop, synthpop, 21st century pop, modern R&B, adult contemporary
10. Hiphop, rap
11. House, techno, ambient, jungle, triphop

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 05:21am


I stand corrected on my earlier tiebreaker result post. Thus, here are now the final list of inductees for the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2029.


Performers

Arcade Fire
Polly Jean Harvey (P.J. Harvey)
The Offspring
Ozzy Osbourne
Siouxsie Sioux/Siouxsie and The Banshees
Suicide
Kanye West

Non-Performers

Lester Bangs
Sylvia Robinson

Influences

Pete Seeger
Townes Van Zandt

Sidemen

Billy Cox/Buddy Miles/Band Of Gypsys
Fred Wesley

With that little correction out of the way, I and others will ask that the tiebreaker winners be listed at the top of this webpage along with the other inductees of years past. For ease of reference, we can name the Band of Gypsys as is, without listing the members as I have in my postings.

The next induction cycle should be interesting,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 10:42am


Actually The Claw, i think that you did a great job of separating genres.

Personally, I would place psychedelic rock (proto prog) and progressive rock together and separate metal and hard rock into their own genre, but otherwise your list is great!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 11:17am


Darren,

I like the discussion idea. I also agree Classic Rock would be a good place to start to give energy to the project. As for how the genres would break down. I would say since this is a "Rock" Hall that you could eliminate the need to discuss Country, Blues, and Jazz. Instead of looking at those genres why not have a month dedicated to discussion of Sidemen, Non Performers, and Influence? That way you cover those genres all together.

I would say Funk should be with R&B, and Disco with Dance and Electronic. And that Pop/Pop-Rock should be placed off by itself, considering it has nothing in common with R&B.

1. Classic Rock (1965-1978)
2. Traditional R&B/Soul/Funk (1950-1985)
3. Alternative/Indie/New Wave
4. Dance/Electronic/Disco
5. Hip-Hop/Rap/Contemporary R&B
6. Early Rock'N'Roll (1950-1964)
7. Pop-Rock/Soft Rock/Contemporary Pop
8. Hard Rock/Heavy Metal/Punk
9. Singer-Songwriter/Folk/Country-Rock/Americana
10. Influences/Sidemen/Non-Performers

That leaves a few genres out. But most of them could find a place in that set group. Progressive could be included in the Classic Rock group as an example.

Posted by Chris F. on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 11:47am


Would anyone be offended if inducting the Band of Gypsys just means Billy Cox/Buddy Miles? I seriously thought the group was Jimi Hendrix and the Band of Gypsys. I should have done my homework. Would people be more comfortable if instead of listing Band of Gypsys we list it as Billy Cox/Buddy Miles?

Thoughts?

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 13:52pm


Gassman, I would have no objection to listing the sidemen within the Band Of Gypsys as Billy Cox/Buddy Miles. From our research, the Band Of Gypsys only officially exists as a Jimi Hendrix album completed in 1970. It was not a direct band per se; but rather, tow important sidemen that were bandmates for a brief time before continuing on to their impressive side musician careers.

Hope this clarifies matters,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 14:37pm


Gassman - That would make sense. It's clear that that was you intention in the first place, anyway.

Everyone - It's a good lesson for all of us not to treat the side categories so lightly. We ended up having to deal with this situation and needlessly "McPhattering" someone in the Influence category, essentially wasting a space that could've been taken by one of the other 4 or 5 strong, deserving candidates who were pulling votes.

I think it was rockstar23 who mentioned that there are a lot of strong candidates out there if we take the time to do some homework. I'm going to take him up on that. Hopefully when we get to the discussion period for the side categories we'll be a little more prepared with strong candidates and the ability to articulate their merits.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 16:48pm


Unless there are objections, I'll post the informational links for the Blind Ballot HOF Project tomorrow at 10 PM.

Nominations will open at 10 PM on Wednesday and close 10 PM on Friday. Each voter can nominate 3 eligible performers that haven't been inducted yet, as well as 1 non-performer, 1 early influence and 1 sideman candidate.

To vote, email you your ballot (7 performers, 2 non-performers, 2 early influences and 2 sidemen; voters can choose not to vote in a category, but only complete votes in any category will be counted) to rockhallpart2 @ gmail.com and be sure to include your user name in the ballot so that we know whose vote was cast.

Voting will close at 10 PM Central on Wednesday the 13th.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 11.4.13 @ 01:39am


The_Claw / Chris F. - Don't give too much thought to my original list of genres. I slapped it together in 90 seconds to get the conversation started. lol

The_Claw - Your categories work, but we need to move some of them around so that we have 9 or 10 groups instead of 11. We want to have one per month and still have time for the final planning that we do every year in the last few weeks before the actual nominations come out. Since we don't know when the nominations will come out next year, we can't count on having a full year from now to time things out correctly.

One suggestion might be to combine Group #7 (Reggae, ska, dub, world music) and Group #11 (House, techno, ambient, jungle, trip hop) into one group. It seems like a lot of categories, but how many serious candidates from each sub-genre can really be expected?

Chris F. - Your categories would also work, but I would suggest a few changes. Contemporary R&B has much more in common with Pop-Rock/Soft Rock/Contemporary Pop than it does Hip-Hop/Rap, which should probably have it's own category. Punk should be with Alternative/Indie/New Wave rather than Hard Rock/Heavy Metal. Early Rock N Roll should also include Blues and Jazz artists.

Your list also includes a catgory dedicated to non-performers, influences and sidemen and that is an excellent idea.

Any other ideas on consolidating the two lists into one master list that we can use to begin the discussions later this month or at the start of next month?

Posted by Darren on Monday, 11.4.13 @ 02:04am


Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame Inductees By Year:

http://hinesd.blogspot.com/2013/10/blind-ballot-hall-of-fame-by-year.html

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 01:01am


Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame Inductees:

http://hinesd.blogspot.com/2013/10/blind-ballot-hall-of-fame-inductees.html

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 01:01am


Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame - Automatic Nominees 2029 (2028 Tiebreaker Losers:

http://hinesd.blogspot.com/2013/10/blind-ballot-hall-of-fame-automatic.html

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 01:01am


Newly Eligible Artists 2029:

http://hinesd.blogspot.com/2013/10/future-rock-legends-newly-eligible.html

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 01:02am


Previously Eligible Artists 2029:

http://hinesd.blogspot.com/2013/10/future-rock-legends-previously-eligible.html

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 01:02am


Nominations for the Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame Class of 2029 are now open. Please review the links posted above if you have questions about which artists have already been inducted and which artists are eligible for nomination.

Each voter can nominate a maximum of 3 performers, 1 non-performer, 1 early influence and 1 sideman.

Nominations will close and voting will open at 10 PM Central on Friday. Voting will be done via email to rockhallpart2 @ gmail.com and close at 10 PM Central on Wednesday the 13th.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 01:11am


Nominations:

Performers:

Arcade Fire
Kanye West
LCD Soundsystem

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 01:11am


Nominations

Badfinger
Poco
Ministry

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 03:01am


Performers:

Aphex Twin
Husker Du
War

Posted by Idlewild on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 03:46am


Never mind, looks like Husker Du are already inducted. Replace them with Dinosaur Jr.

Posted by Idlewild on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 03:57am


Performers:

America
Edgar Winter
Gin Blossoms

Influence: Tom Lehrer
Non-Performer: Smothers Brothers
Sideman: Davey Johnstone

Posted by PopeCharming on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 08:00am


Idlewild, a quick note: we got War in a while ago, so you have another performer nominee to pitch in when you get a chance.

Performers:

R. Kelly
The Shangri-Las
Justin Timberlake

Non-Performers: The Belleville Three (Juan Atkins, Derrick May & Kevin Saunderson)

Influences: Bertolt Brecht & Kurt Weill

Sidemen: Vernon Reid

Posted by Ian on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 09:14am


Nominations:

Captain Beefheart
John Denver
Lou Reed

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 09:43am


Performer nominations

The Offspring
The Guess Who
Three Dog Night

Non-Performer
Doctor Demento

Influence
Sarah Vaughan

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 11:04am


Nominations:
Bjork
My Bloody Valentine
The Buzzcocks

Non Performer:
Joe Meek (very innovative british producer)

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 12:58pm


War is NOT in the blind ballot hall

The Guess Who, Three Dog Night, Bjork, and The Buzzcocks are already in.

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 13:43pm


nominations:

Supertramp
Billy Idol
Wishbone Ash

non-performer:
Perry Ferrell

sideman:
Buckethead

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 13:45pm


"Idlewild, a quick note: we got War in a while ago, so you have another performer nominee to pitch in when you get a chance."

Ian - Actually, War hasn't been voted into the blind ballot project yet, so his nomination is good to go.

GFW - Bjork has been voted in. She shouldn't have been on the list of eligible artists. Same deal with the Buzzcocks. This is my fault. I'll review the list of artists to make sure that there aren't any other inducted artists that need to be removed from the list.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 13:47pm


LCD Soundsystem was automatically nominated as a result of a tiebreaker last year. I'll post a replacement nomination later. These performers are also automatically nominated for the same reason:

Bad Company
Einstürzende Neubauten
Jane's Addiction
Joan Baez
LCD Soundsystem
Minor Threat / Fugazi
Nick Drake
Steve Earle
Stone Temple Pilots
The Move
The Small Faces / The Faces
The Tokens
Whitney Houston

Also, Perry Farrell is automatically nominated as a non-performer.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 13:56pm


Ok so I was definitely consused by this so sorry for the Three Dog Night and Guess Who nominations. If possible I'd like to keep my nomination on the board for the Offspring and I'll come up with two more later tonight once I look over the list some more.

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 14:19pm


Nominations:

Performers

LL Cool J
Chic
Slayer


Influence

Townes Van Zandt


Non-Performer

Lou Adler


Sideman

Pino Palladino

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 14:26pm


Non-Performer:
Marley Marl

Influence:
Gene Krupa

Sidemen:
MFSB

Posted by Idlewild on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 14:36pm


These artists were incorrectly listed among the artists eligible for nomination. This is incorrect because they have been inducted into the blind ballot project. If you've nominated any of these artists, please post a replacement nomination if you have one:

ABBA
Bjork
Duane Eddy
Husker Du
INXS
Link Wray
Massive Attack
Neu!
Patti Smith (The Patti Smith Group)
PJ Harvey
Ricky Nelson
Ritchie Valens
Scott Walker
Slade
Soundgarden
Suicide
The Buzzcocks
The Cars
The Zombies
Three Dog Night
Tori Amos
Warren Zevon

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 14:53pm


Alright, replace my noms with:

Nas
Joanna Newsom (her first release was in 2002, so she counts as eligible)

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 15:45pm


Please replace my nominations for Three Dog. Night and The Guess Who with Boston and Styx

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 15:54pm


Blind Ballot Nominees:

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Wire

I'll just leave it at those two. This ballot will be plenty stacked.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 16:13pm


Sorry Idlewild; I completely misunderstood what was going on.

Posted by Ian on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 16:28pm


I'm using my final nomination on:

Queens of the Stone Age

I gave a lot of thought to Modest Mouse and System Of A Down, but since QOTSA just released yet another brilliant album in 2013, I think they'll have a better shot this year.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 17:30pm


Non-Performer:

Jim Steinman

Early Influence:

Tiny Bradshaw

Sideman:

Reggie Young

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 17:55pm


to replace Perry Ferrell as non performer nominee:

Danny Elfman

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 23:56pm


Darren,

"Contemporary R&B has much more in common with Pop-Rock/Soft Rock/Contemporary Pop than it does Hip-Hop/Rap".

I don't think true R&B music has all that much to do with Pop anymore. While some straddled the edges (TLC, Mariah Carey, and Rihanna as examples), most of the stuff is really R&B. I think putting it with Pop will over inflate that category. And considering how much R&B changed as Hip Hop moved in it seems to be more fitting with it than Pop. I am fine however in just lumping it with the rest of R&B if you think Hip Hop needs the spotlight by itself.

"Punk should be with Alternative/Indie/New Wave rather than Hard Rock/Heavy Metal."

I can agree with this. I kind of liked your Punk and New Wave as their own thing since it is a popular style on this site. I just ran out of slots. It seems like all four genres together make a little to large of a group to talk about (since a lot of nominees come from that set). We could just push Singer-Songwriter into the Pop umbrella, since they butt up next to each other. And slide New Wave and Punk into their own slot. I am okay with any of that.

"Early Rock N Roll should also include Blues and Jazz artists."

Can't Jazz & Blues just be discussed in the Influence month? The artists aren't Rock'N'Roll and therefore shouldn't be inducted as main performers here. While certain acts like B.B. King, are known for their outside genre they did enough in R&B to qualify them being inducted. Has a Jazz artist ever been inducted in this project as a performer? I know plenty have gone in as influences. It just seems like they are two genres that would take away from that Early Rock period that has plenty of styles to cover. Doo Wop, Girl Group, Rockabilly, Surf, Merseybeat, etc are all there and any Blues or Jazz artist that could be considered cross over would already fall somewhere in those early styles (or into R&B's camp).

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 11.6.13 @ 06:57am


If it pleases the participants of the Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame, I have some nominations that I think can benefit the Blind Ballot Class of 2029. Indeed, if it is permissible, I would like to participate for the Blind Ballot this month. In any case, here are my nominees.


Performers

Belle And Sebastian
Pantera
Missy Elliott

Non-Performer

Sylvia Robinson

Influence

George Jones

Sidemen

Billy Cox/Buddy Miles

I do realize these nominees are already inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. However, these are amongst are more recent inductees. There may still be a relative freshness in their considerations.

Inferring that I got these nominations correct,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Wednesday, 11.6.13 @ 17:52pm


Changes needed for this page:

- Massive Attack/Nirvana/The Offspring are now all eligible for the Rock Hall and should have the # designation removed.

- Timabland should have the # next to his name. His earliest production credit is a studio session from 1991. His earliest released credit may be from 1994.

- Below the inductees, it states "# = Not yet eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (as of 2011)"...obviously that should be changed to 2013.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 11.6.13 @ 18:08pm


In case we want to add more sections to the Biggest Snubs page, here's all the Non-Performer Rock Hall Revisited/Projected inductees from separate categories that Cleveland has yet to enshrine:

Non-Performer (Industry):

Alan Lomax
Bernie Lowe
Bob Geldof
Brian Epstein
Casey Kasem
DJ Kool Herc
Don Cornelius
Dr. Robert Moog
Ed Sullivan
Jim Marshall (Marshall Amps)
Jim Marshall (Photographer)
Joel Whitburn
Hilly Kristal
Lang, Roberts, Rosenman & Kornfeld
Lester Bangs
Lew Chudd
Malcolm McLaren
Robert W. Pittman
Russell Simmons
Sylvia Robinson
Tony Wilson
Wolfman Jack

Non-Performer (Songwriters):

Ashford & Simpson
Barrett Strong & Norman Whitfield
Bernie Taupin
Burt Bacharach & Hal David

Non-Performer (Producers/Engineers):

Brian Eno
Daniel Lanois
Dr. Dre
Eddie Kramer
Giorgio Moroder
Joe Meek
John Peel
Lee "Scratch" Perry
Martin Hannett
Rick Rubin
Robert "Mutt" Lange
Ted Templeman
Todd Rundgren
Willie Mitchell

Note that Timbaland isn't included with the producers because it hasn't been 25 years since his first production. The Rock Hall has never inducted a non-performer before their 25th year in the industry, so I doubt he would be considered until then.

I'll put up the sidemen lists later.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 11.6.13 @ 18:27pm


Bon Jovi
The Strokes
Anthrax

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 11.6.13 @ 18:58pm


First write up:

Jerry Lee Lewis
Ferriday, Louisiana, United States of America
1954 – Present
Rock and Roll, Rockabilly and Country

Inducted By Elton John in 1986

Jerry Lee Lewis Performed:

“Whole Lotta Shakin’ Goin’ On”
“What’s Made Milwaukee Famous (Has Made a Loser Out of Me)”
“Great Balls of Fire” w/Elton John

Jerry Lee Lewis, aka The Killer, was Rock and Roll’s first wild man. Lewis’ antics on stage included kicking over the piano bench, violently striking the keys and even standing on top of his instrument. In many ways The Killer was the first Punk Rocker. Lewis’ career took off in 1957 with the back-to-back release of “Whole Lotta Shakin’ Goin’ On” and “Great Balls of Fire,” two of Rock and Roll’s greatest standards. His career cooled down in the early 1960’s before producing a strong series of County recordings in the late 60’s and 70’s. Still producing music to this day, The Killer truly is the Last Man Standing.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 11.6.13 @ 19:19pm


I'll participate on the write-up. Here mine on Genesis:

Genesis
Surrey, England
1967-2007
Inducted members: Tony Banks, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett and Mike Rutherford

Inducted by Mike Portnoy in 2003

Songs Performed:
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Land of Confusion (Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel share vocals)

Genesis is one band with two different entites: the progressive band lead by Peter Gabriel and the pop/rock band lead by Phil Collins. As a prog band, they were most memorable by the costumes worn by Gabriel during concerts and 8-20 minute songs like "The Musical Box", "The Knife", "Supper's Ready" and "The Cinema Show". Their magnus opus "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" in 1974 expanded their musical and songwriting ability and provided a better farewell for Peter Gabriel before he left the band a year later. When Phil Collins lead the band, they were known for their short but memorable songs such as "That's All", "Follow You, Follow Me", "Turn It On Again", "Abacab", "Invisible Touch" and "Land of Confusion". Even though both of their lead vocalist had successful solo careers, their work on Genesis will live on forever.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 11.6.13 @ 20:13pm


Here's another one for Public Enemy:

Public Enemy
Long Island, New York
1982-present
Inducted members: Chuck D, Flava Flav, Terminator X, Professor Griff, DJ Lord

Inducted by Mike D and Ad-Rock in 2013

Songs performed:
Bring the Noise
Welcome to the Terrordome
Fight the Power

The comibination of Bob Marley and Bob Dylan, Public Enemy is the voice of the Hip Hop World. With tracks such as "Fight the Power" and "Don't Believe the Hype", they bring messages when it comes to rebelling against the system or unequal treatments to blacks. Their 1990 album "Fear of a Black Planet" is the Sgt. Peppers of Hip Hop. With Chuck D's energetic rapping and Flava Flav's hype, Public Enemy is truley one of the greatest rap acts of all time.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 11.6.13 @ 20:38pm


I'll help out and do the write up for the Beastie Boys.

Beastie Boys:
Originated: New York, New York, USA
Years Active: 1983-2012
Genres: Hip-Hop and Punk

Inducted Members:
Ad-Rock, Mike D, and MCA

Inducted By:
LL Cool J and Chuck D

Performance: Due to the condition of MCA the Beastie Boys are unable to perform. In the place of the Beastie Boys are honored by The Roots, who perform...

Fight For Your Right
Hey Ladies
Sabotage

The Beastie Boys revolutionized hip-hop and opened the world of hip-hop up to many. When they finally broke into the mainstream with their debut album "Licensed to Ill" the Beastie Boys were considered a joke by many because of their vulgar lyrics, childish actions, and outrageous concerts. They had written off by many critics despite "Licensed to Ill" was the first hip-hop album to hit number one on the Billboard 200 charts expanding the empire of hip-hop to many home not just across the country, but across the world. The Beastie Boys' sophomore album "Paul's Boutique" is considered to be one of the greatest hip-hop albums ever, it is an example of true hip-hop gold. The album shows how the Beastie Boys reinvented themselves. "Paul's Boutique is a landmark in the art of sampling and pop-culture referencing within rap and hip-hop. The Beastie Boys continued to reinvent themselves as their career advanced, they picked up their instruments again in their third album "Check Your Head" and even hit it big with a punk song called "Sabotage" off their fourth album "Ill Communication". The Beastie Boys are true hip-hop royalty and that is how they will be remembered.

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 11.6.13 @ 21:54pm


An updated proposal for genres to discuss (incorporating the genres that The_Claw listed with the categories Chris F. posted):

Influences/Sidemen/Non-Performers - I would propose that we have this discussion this month. We still have more than half the month remaining and there won't be anything else on this board after the nominations for the Blind Ballot Project have finished on Friday. This discussion would also incorporate Blues artists, Jazz artists and other artists that have been mostly considered for the Influences category, artists from before 1954. It would be a good idea to re-visit this discussion right before the actual HOF nominations come out.

Classic Rock (1965-1978) - The years are up for debate (I personally think the last Classic Rock act was the Black Crowes), but I think everyone understands what Classic Rock is, essentially the music that gets played on classic rock radio stations. This genre would incorporate The_Claw's Blues Rock and Psychedelic Rock genres. We might also want to include Country Rock in this category instead of it's current group.

Traditional R&B/Soul/Motown/Funk/Contemporary R&B - This should be self-explanatory.

Proto-Punk/Art Rock/Punk/New Wave - This genre would encompass The_Claw's genres of Avant-Garde, Krautrock (correctly placed?), Post Punk / New Wave, Punk and Synthpop (correctly placed?). Basically, it's alternative music from before College Rock, Grunge and Indie Rock. It would also include modern punk music.

College Rock/Alternative/Indie (80s-Present) - Alternative music from the earliest U2 / R.E.M. days to the present, excluding artists that are in the punk / new wave group.

Dance/Electronic/Disco/Reggae/Ska/Dub/World Music - This genre is a bit of a combo platter, as Reggae / Ska / Dub, World Music and Dance / Electronic / Disco get pushed together into one "genre" due to the percieved low number of qualified candidates per sub-genre compared to other genres. Some of these sub-genres could be moved to a different genre if there was a better fit.

Hip-Hop/Rap - This is its own genre because it's big enough to support it's own discussion at this point and it's difficult to find connecting points to other genres.

Early Rock'N'Roll (1950-1964) - This genre incorporates these genres: British Invasion, Doo Wop, Garage Rock, Mersey Beat, Rockabilly, Surf as well as any other genres that might fit the era and style.

Pop-Rock/Soft Rock/Contemporary Pop/Top 40 - Self-explanatory. Should Pop-Rock be considered with Hard Rock / Heavy Metal?

Hard Rock/Heavy Metal - This would include these genres: Glam Rock, Hard Rock, Metal, Progressive Rock and Symphonic Rock.

Country/Western/Singer-Songwriter/Folk/Country-Rock/Americana - Call it the "Story-teller" genre.

Please note that this isn't final and it's not the order that we'll have the discussions (other than the first one). The genre selections and definitions are still open to discussion and suggestions and the more input we get, the better the results will be.

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 11.6.13 @ 22:04pm


Awesome work John R.C. and Ryan!

John R.C. would you mind adding a 3rd song to the Genesis playlist?

Also I'm thinking it would be best to do this in order of inducion so we don't miss out on any of the inductees. Is there any of the 6 other 1986 inductees that either of you would like to do?

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 11.7.13 @ 12:25pm


Thank's Gassman, for the third Genesis playlist, it will be "Turn it On Again". Here's another one for Buddy Holly

Buddy Holly & The Crickets
Lubock, Texas, United States
1955-1959
Inducted members: Jerry Allison, Sunny Curtis, Buddy Holly, Waylon Jennings, Joe B. Maulden & Niki Sullivan

Inducted by Paul McCartney in 1986

Songs performed by Paul McCartney with surviving members of the Crickets:

That'll Be the Day
Peggy Sue
Not a Fade Away

Buddy Holly & The Crickets are one of the most important pioneers of rock and roll. Unlike other early rock and roll figures such as Elvis Presley and Chuck Berry, Holly and the Crickets wrote their own material and done studio techniques such as double tracking. Even though Buddy Holly's career was cut short due to a plane crash that killed him along with Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper, the Crickets will be remembered as rock and roll heroes and hits such as "That'll Be the Day" and "Peggy Sue".

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 11.7.13 @ 16:03pm


John R.C. - Great work on Buddy Holly & The Crickets!

I'm going to add Garden City to the place of orgin for Public Enemy. That's where Chuck D was living when the group started. Also going to add the Godalming to Genesis.

The goal for each place of orgin will be to have the city, state/region/provience and then country. That might not be easy to find for every act, but if we can find it I think it would be best to put it down.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 11.7.13 @ 16:43pm


For reference purposes for the upcoming monthly discussions, I've put together two massive lists of eligible artists for consideration.

First off is the completely unfiltered list, copied from the FRL web site, with artists that aren't eligible yet and artists that have been inducted into the Revisited / Projected removed:

http://hinesd.blogspot.com/2013/11/future-rock-legends-projected-hall-of.html

And here is a smaller list that I filtered out for the artists that I think have at least a chance, no matter how slim:

http://hinesd.blogspot.com/2013/11/future-rock-legends-projected-hall-of_8.html

I didn't add any genres to the artists because so many could fit into multiple genres and we haven't finalized the list of genres yet.

In about an hour, nominations will close for the Blind Ballot Voting. Since the voting will take place via email, we could start discussing Non-Performer, Early Influence and Sideman candidates tomorrow and continue for the rest of the month, with the discussion of the first genre of Performers beginning on December 1st.

What are your guys' thoughts on this? Any hints, allegations or things left unsaid? lol

Posted by Darren on Friday, 11.8.13 @ 23:36pm


Sorry about the delay in posting this.

Here are the nominees for this year's Secret Ballot Hall Of Fame Vote.

Performers:

America
Anthrax
Aphex Twin
Arcade Fire
Bad Company
Badfinger
Belle And Sebastian
Billy Idol
Bon Jovi
Boston
Captain Beefheart
Chic
Dinosaur Jr.
Edgar Winter
Einstürzende Neubauten
Gin Blossoms
Jane's Addiction
Joan Baez
Joanna Newsom
John Denver
Justin Timberlake
Kanye West
LCD Soundsystem
LL Cool J
Lou Reed
Ministry
Minor Threat / Fugazi
Missy Elliott
My Bloody Valentine
Nas
Nick Drake
Pantera
Poco
Queens Of The Stone Age
R. Kelly
Slayer
Steve Earle
Stone Temple Pilots
Styx
Supertramp
The Move
The Offspring
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Shangri-Las
The Small Faces / The Faces
The Strokes
The Tokens
War
Whitney Houston
Wire
Wishbone Ash

Non-Performers:

Danny Elfman
Doctor Demento
Jim Steinman
Joe Meek
Lou Adler
Marley Marl
Perry Farrell
Sylvia Robinson
The Belleville Three (Juan Atkins, Derrick May & Kevin Saunderson)
The Smothers Brothers

Influences:

Bertolt Brecht & Kurt Weill
Gene Krupa
George Jones
Sarah Vaughan
Tiny Bradshaw
Tom Lehrer
Townes Van Zandt

Sidemen:

Billy Cox/Buddy Miles
Buckethead
Davey Johnstone
MFSB
Pino Palladino
Reggie Young
Vernon Reid

To vote, email rockhallpart2 @gmail.com and be sure to include your user name on this board. Each voter can vote for 7 performers, 2 non-performers, 2 influences and 2 sidemen. You don't have to vote for every category, but if you choose to vote in a category, you have to submit a full ballot (7 or 2, depending on the category) or it won't be counted.

Voting will end at 11:55 PM Central on Wednesday.

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 11.9.13 @ 10:12am


Votes have been received from these voters so far:

GFW
Idlewild
Darrin A.
PopeCharming
Tom H.
jtrichey
Ryan
Darren

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.12.13 @ 01:30am


Voting is set to end at 11:55 PM Central tomorrow night. I haven't received any new votes since the last update, so if you want to participate and haven't yet, please do so before the deadline passes.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.12.13 @ 22:22pm


Voting is now closed.

Here are the results of the 2029 Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame voting:

Performers

Arcade Fire
Kanye West
LCD Soundsystem
Slayer
War

Tiebreaker (Rank all 4 performers. The top 2 Vote-Getters are inducted):

Stone Temple Pilots
Supertramp
The Offspring
The Shangri-Las


Non-Performers

Tiebreaker (Rank All 5 non-performers. The top 2 vote-getters are inducted):

Doctor Demento
Lou Adler
Perry Farrell
Sylvia Robinson
The Smothers Brothers


Influences

Sarah Vaughan

Tiebreaker (Select one influence. The top vote-getter is inducted):

George Jones
Townes Van Zandt


Sidemen

Billy Cox / Buddy Miles
Buckethead

The tiebreaker voting will end at 11:55 PM Central on Friday.

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 11.14.13 @ 01:03am


My Tiebreakers:

Stone Temple Pilots - 4
Supertramp - 3
The Shangri-Las - 2
The Offspring - 1

Perry Farrell - 5
Doctor Demento - 4
Lou Adler - 3
Sylvia Robinson - 2
The Smothers Brothers - 1

George Jones

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 11.14.13 @ 01:06am


And my tiebreakers:

Supertramp- 4
The Offspring- 3
Stone Temple Pilots- 2
The Shangri-Las- 1

Smothers Brothers- 5
Lou Adler- 4
Doctor Demento- 3
Sylvia Robinson- 2
Perry Farrell- 1

George Jones

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 11.14.13 @ 05:44am


Tiebreakers:

The Shangri-Las - 4
The Offspring - 3
Supertramp - 2
Stone Temple Pilots - 1

Sylvia Robinson - 5
The Smothers Brothers - 4
Lou Adler - 3
Doctor Demento - 2
Perry Farrell - 1

Townes Van Zandt

Posted by Idlewild on Thursday, 11.14.13 @ 06:26am


Tie breakers

Supertramp-4
Stone Temple Pilots-3
The Offspring-2
The Shangri-Las-1


Smothers Brothers- 5
Lou Adler- 4
Doctor Demento- 3
Sylvia Robinson- 2
Perry Farrell- 1

George Jones

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 11.14.13 @ 12:10pm


Tiebreaker

1. Supertramp
2. The Offspring
3. Stone Temple Pilots
4. The Shangri-Las


Non-Performers

1. Perry Farrell
2. Doctor Demento
3. Lou Adler
4. Sylvia Robinson
5. The Smothers Brothers (someone is going to have to explain to me the Smothers Brothers as non-performers, or anything to do with the Hall of Fame for that matter).


Influences

1. Townes Van Zandt
2. George Jones

Posted by jtrichey on Friday, 11.15.13 @ 00:18am


Tiebreaker

1. Supertramp
2. The Offspring
3. Stone Temple Pilots
4. The Shangri-Las


Non-Performers

1. Perry Farrell
2. Doctor Demento
3. Lou Adler
4. Sylvia Robinson
5. The Smothers Brothers (someone is going to have to explain to me the Smothers Brothers as non-performers, or anything to do with the Hall of Fame for that matter).


Influences

1. Townes Van Zandt
2. George Jones

Posted by jtrichey on Friday, 11.15.13 @ 00:21am


As a reminder for older voters and information for the new voters, in the event of a tie in the tiebreaker, the first tiebreaker is the number of first place votes received in the tiebreaker. If that doesn't resolve the tie, there will be another head-to-head tiebreaker vote, if possible.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 11.15.13 @ 13:58pm


Tiebreaker:

The Shangri-Las
Stone Temple Pilots
The Offspring
Supertramp


Lou Adler
Sylvia Robinson
Doctor Demento
Perry Farrell
The Smothers Brothers


Townes Van Zandt

Posted by BSLO on Friday, 11.15.13 @ 14:11pm


I'm changing my tiebreaker vote for George Jones to Townes Van Zandt.

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 11.16.13 @ 01:46am


Tiebreaker voting is now closed.

Here are the final tiebreaker results:

Performers:

Supertramp - 18
Stone Temple Pilots - 15
_____________________

The Offspring - 14
The Shangri-Las - 13


Non-Peformers:

Lou Adler - 22
Doctor Demento - 19
______________________

The Smothers Brothers - 17
Sylvia Robinson - 17
Perry Farrell - 15


Early Influences:

Townes Van Zandt - 4
______________________

George Jones - 2

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 11.16.13 @ 01:50am


Here is your Blind Ballot Class of 2029:

Performers:

Arcade Fire
Kanye West
LCD Soundsystem
Slayer
Stone Temple Pilots
Supertramp
War

(The Offspring and The Shangri-Las are automatically nominated for 2030 as a result of a tiebreaker loss.)


Non-Performers:

Doctor Demento
Lou Adler

(Perry Farrell, Sylvia Robinson and The Smothers Brothers are automatically nominated for 2030 as a result of a tiebreaker loss.)


Early Influences:

Sarah Vaughan
Townes Van Zandts

(George Jones is automatically nominated for 2030 as a result of a tiebreaker loss.)


Sidemen:

Billy Cox / Buddy Miles
Buckethead

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 11.16.13 @ 01:54am


With the conclusion of the Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame Project for this year and half of the month of November remaining, now would be a good time to have a discussion of candidates for next year's Non-Performers, Early Influences and Sidemen categories (for the Re-visited / Projected Project).

If the discussion doesn't take off, we can revisit this later on (and we probably will closer to the deadline anyway). In December, we'll have a discussion of candidates in the Classic Rock genre. Sound good?

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 11.16.13 @ 01:57am


For your consideration, in alphabetical order...

Non-Performers

Bill Bottrell
Don Arden
Hipgnosis
Hugh Padgham
Ira Robbins
James William Guercio
John Farrar
John "Kosh"
Paul Williams (ASCAP)
Phil Ramone
Reinhold "Mack"
Richard Avedon
Richard Perry
Thom Bell

Early Influences

Andy Williams
Irving Berlin
Lena Horne
The Four Aces

Side-Men

Bob Babbitt
Chester Thompson
Ellie Greenwich
SuMagNa (Susan Collins, Marge Raymond & Nancy O'Neill)

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 11.16.13 @ 02:25am


One person I've been considering would be Buddy Rich in terms of how revered he is when it comes to drummers. Do you guys think he would fall more into the influence bracket or sideman (or both) Also would you consider jazz sidemen eligable for this.

Posted by Tom H. on Saturday, 11.16.13 @ 16:08pm


I think Buddy Rich is very deserving, but it is debatable as to where. We did put him into the Blind Ballot Hall under sideman and there weren't any real objections to that as I can remember.

Posted by jtrichey on Saturday, 11.16.13 @ 22:38pm


Tom H.,

I would support Rich as an influence, because while a sideman he was definitely an artist outside of Rock'N'Roll. Not to mention he has a substantial discography.

I should be posting a group of influences I am considering shortly

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 11.18.13 @ 18:07pm


As I figure out who I would support for Sidemen/Non Performers here are the 50 artists I am looking at for Influence. Although there are about another 50 I would support if it could get them inducted.

My 50 for Influence:
Anita O'Day
Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup
Barbra Streisand
Benny Goodman
Billy Eckstine
Buddy Rich
Cannonball Adderley
Carmen McRae
Cecil Gant
Chick Corea
Chick Webb
Clara Ward Singers
Clifford Brown
Dixie Chicks
Ella Mae Morse
Ethel Waters
Faron Young
Fats Waller
Gene Autry
Gene Krupa
Hadda Brooks
Illinois Jacquet
Jim Reeves
Jimmy Rushing
Johnnie Ray
Johnny Hartman
Judy Collins
Julia Lee & Her Boyfriends
June Christy
Koko Taylor
Lefty Frizzell
Lena Horne
Lionel Hampton
Loretta Lynn
Mary Lou Williams
Nancy Wilson
Nellie Lutcher & Her Rhythm
Pat Metheny
Peggy Lee
Perry Como
Sarah Vaughan
Stan Getz
Sun Ra
Tammy Wynette
The Andrews Sisters
The Delta Rhythm Boys
The Pilgrim Travelers
Tony Bennet
Wynton Marsalis
Yo-Yo Ma

Hopefully it can spark some discussion.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 11.18.13 @ 18:23pm


Chris F. and Rick:

Those are great ideas for Influences (It makes me wish we could cast more votes for that category) and I wantred to float two more out there for Influences that might even fit in the non-performer category.

Arthur Fiedler
John Williams

Now bear with me on this as I can fel the mob coming at me with torches and pitchforks for suggesting classical artists.

Arthur Fiedler was the conductor of the Boston Pops Orchestra for 50 years from 1929 until his death in 1979. Besides achieving many breakthroughs in his own genre (including the long running PBS series Evening At Pops and popularizing the concept of the 1812 Overture being synonymous with 4th of July Celebrations) he went out of his way to record arrangements of songs from just about every genre including Broadway (and the Great American Songbook as a whole), Jazz, Country, Holiday, Patriotic, Pop, Rock, and even Disco (with an album cleverly titled Saturday Night Fiedler). He even workd Beatles songs into the Orchestra's repetoir in the mid 1960's (admitting that he thought for sure the audience would run him out of town). In my opinion he opened up classical audiences to popular music and non-classical audiences up to classical music.

John Williams needs no introduction as he has become one of the most prolific and award winning composers of all time to the point where I'm pretty sure that everyone has heard one of his pieces at some point in their life

Posted by Tom H. on Monday, 11.18.13 @ 19:00pm


Very good suggestions--

Without guaranteeing anything, I could definitely get behind Tammy Wynette, Tony Bennett, Lena Horne, and especially Fats Waller.

May I suggest 1950s satirist Tom Lehrer as well? Lots of Rock Hall Projected artists have cited him as an influence, from Randy Newman to Weird Al Yankovic. Rapper 2 Chainz has sampled his music. But more than this, he was one of the first people to confront the mentality of mindless, drab conformity of the 1950s, and speak out against the crueler elements of that worldview-- racism in the South, the military-industrial complex, and the madness of Mutually Assured Destruction. Don't take my word for it-- give a listen to "We Will All Go Together When We Go", "Wehrner Von Braun", "National Brotherhood Week", and "I Wanna Go Back to Dixie".

In that sense, every wry, tongue-in-cheek protest song in the rock and roll pantheon, from "Alice's Restaurant" to the "Draft Dodger Rag" to "Feel-like-I'm-Fixing-to-Die Rag" to "Privatize the Air" all owe Lehrer a great debt.

Posted by PopeCharming on Monday, 11.18.13 @ 19:28pm


... i-is anyone gonna back me up on Joe Meek as a non performer?

hell, I swear I had some genius picks for non performers before... I think one of them was Edison?

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 11.19.13 @ 12:44pm


For the influences category, we always have to be careful not to go for the wellknown names with little actual influence on rock music. This is my priority list for the influence category:

1. The artists that made rock & roll happen. Important artists from before or at the start of the rock era, whose music eventually would lead to rock & roll. Main example: Louis Jordan. Many of these names are not familiar to the most of us, but these are the true heroes that, in my opinion, need to be strongly considered and should be our top priority.

2. Rock n roll would have happened without them, but these artists had a great influence on a certain genre, like Woody Guthrie and his influence on folk rock. Also artists from the rock era that are usually not considered rock artists, but often walked the line (yes, this is meant as a reference to Johnny Cash) between genres and were a great influence on certain rock styles. Another good example would be Herbie Hancock and his influence on funk and hiphop.

3. Musicians that didn't have a direct inluence the course of rock music, but are revered for their expertise or quality of their work. Most can better be described as inspirators than as actual influences, but the best of these have created or popularized certain styles and techniques. Louis Armstrong and Billie Holiday come to mind as good examples.

Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 11.19.13 @ 17:57pm


Really great conversation going on here.

Tom H.,

What do we do with a problem like classical music? Especially where it bleeds into Popular Music and by that association Rock'N'Roll?

Fiedler is such an undervalued artist. I would support him without a doubt. The question is always where though. As a conductor and arranger he tends to fall into that Non-Performer category with Songwriters and Producers. Which should make him ineligible because here that would be a Rock only category. So should we possibly look at the Boston Pops Orchestra itself as a performer and induct the institution as an Influence?

As for Williams, is there a greater film composer? I have always struggled with placing Film Scores as either Classical or Popular Music, they just don't fit comfortably in either group. I have always said the Smithsonian should open up it's own Music Hall of Fame and induct every year relevant artists from across the spectrum. To celebrate not just a specific genre but all the artists who have enriched the American musical spectrum (not just American artists however). We give away the Kennedy Center Honor already, and I would think a well planned induction class of 10 artists a year would be a rather popular broadcast. Especially right now while we have some older legends still around, and enough artists to pay homage to those not here anymore. Pipe dream!

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 11.20.13 @ 09:55am


PopeCharming,

I could definitely get behind Tom Lehrer if the support is there for him. Honestly I wouldn't be opposed to Allan Sherman either. Although I would push Lehrer in first. Although she doesn't have a chance, Rusty Warren was damn clever and before her time.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 11.20.13 @ 10:02am


GFW,

I can almost guarantee a vote for Joe Meek. Great choice! As long as someone else doesn't come along and build up steam unexpectedly over the next year.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 11.20.13 @ 10:05am


The_Claw,

I agree that Influences should stick most closely to those who directly influenced Rock'N'Roll (either before it's creation or during). However that has to be Rock'N'Roll under a wide spectrum. You single out Holiday and Armstrong in that third tier, but they did have quite a bit of direct influence on that first bumper crop of artists. Etta James & Ruth Brown are great examples as Holiday followers. And just about everybody was influenced by Armstrong at any given time before 1960. I definitely see where you are coming from though which is why I left people like Dinah Shore off (who falls in your third tier).

I am really considering Johnnie Ray and Ella Mae Morse as my top two. They fall well into your first category. I want to push Sarah Vaughan again but I think her 50's pop work is overshadowing her more influential 40's work. I would assume she falls somewhere between your second and third categories.

There are still a ton of late 40's acts to be inducted. I put someone like Lena Horne out there because while musically she had little to do with anything outside of Diana Ross's vocals. Her style was what Motown was really going after in the image department. I swear every girl group member this side of the Shangri-La's looked like a poor man's version of Lena Horne (except the Supremes who matched her in glamour by the end of the 60s).

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 11.20.13 @ 10:19am


PopeCharming,

I would definitely put Tom Lehrer on my shortlist. Really the whole sub-genre of song parody/musical comedy could site him as an influence as well as many topical stand up comics. Plus in some cases the spoken intos to some of his songs are as funny as the songs themselves like "National Brotherhood Week". Plus as the son of a minister (and therefore knowing most of the quirks of Christianity)the first time I heard "Vatican Rag" I just about fell off the couch laughing.

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 11.20.13 @ 10:45am


Chris F.,

I hadn't even thought of pushing the Boston Pops as an influence maybe because in some respect Fiedler and the Pops are so closely connected (and John williams too as he was their conductor from 1980 to 1994 and to this day conducts select Pops concerts as their Music Director Emeritus). In many ways you could make a case for the Pops the same way that you could make one for Fiedler in that they performed orchestral arrangements of just about every genre accept for hard rock and punk (although in recent years they've added arrangements of "Shippin up to Boston" and "Bohemian Rhapsody" to the repetoire) This would also be giving props to arrangers who shaped the sound of the Pops like Richard Heyman and Leroy Anderson who wrote "Sleigh Ride" for the Orchestra (now that I think about it how is that not in the Song Project?).

As an added bonus many artists have performed with the Pops over time including many on your list as well as many of the artists already inducted as influences

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 11.20.13 @ 13:37pm


Here are the 15 artists I am looking at as Sidemen.

"Daddy" Gene Barge
Bernard "Pretty" Purdie
Bob Babbit
Cornell Dupree
Fathead Newman
Gail Ann Dorsey
Jennifer Batten
Jerome Green
Jimmy Wright
Mary Kaye
Merry Clayton
Panama Francis
Tackhead
The Duchess
Tommy Cogbill

I would say I think I will be pushing Merry Clayton and Tackhead as my big two this time around. However if Jennifer Batten can get the support I will also get behind it. I should point out that I made this list shorter than the influences list because I wanted to highlight my 15 choices a bit more. Sidemen tend to get lost in the fray, which is sad considering they are so vital to a record's sound. I intentionally didn't include Clarence Clemons because he appears as a performer inductee with the E Street Band. I also didn't include Jim Gordon because of his potential to be inducted with Derek & The Dominoes. However both have my full support.

Tackhead I would say is a lock for me, unless someone can argue for two Sidemen candidates more deserving.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 11.20.13 @ 19:06pm


For the Non-Performers I am looking at these 20.

Alexis Korner
Arif Mardin
Bob Crewe
Boudleaux & Felice Bryant
Evelyn Johnson
Fab Five Freddy
Frankie Knuckles
Jim Steinman
Jimmy Iovine
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
Junior Vasquez
Lee Hazlewood
Lester Sill
Linda Perry
Luther Dixon
Marion Keisker
Maxine Powell
Paul Williams
Thom Bell
Vivian Carter, James Bracken and Calvin Carter

I would push Maxine Powell most heavily, especially considering her passing this year. However I am open to any of these and considering how many important industry people are still out I had a hard time picking just 20.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 11.21.13 @ 00:13am


I would also try to add Bob Ezrin for consideration. For those who don't know Ezrin, he produces albums which include:

*Mostly every Alice Cooper albums
*Pink Floyd's "The Wall"
*Lou Reed's "Berlin
*KISS's "Destroyer"
*Peter Gabriel's solo debut album

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 11.21.13 @ 00:25am


Another Sideman I'd like to see us get to is Bobby Gregg. Drummer for some key Bob Dylan albums.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.21.13 @ 00:28am


How about Tony Peluso for sideman?

Posted by akeem on Thursday, 11.21.13 @ 10:40am


Here's my top five picks for each of the side categories. I'm willing to discuss any of these; they're not my guesses for biggest omissions or most important to get in, rather just reflecting my own interests and ideas on people who merit consideration for one reason or another.

Non-Performers:

Lee Hazelwood
The Belleville Three (Juan Atkins, Derrick May & Kevin Saunderson)
Neil Bogart
Prince Paul
Geoff Travis (Rough Trade Records)

Influences:

The Louvin Brothers
Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill
The Last Poets
Prince Buster
Phil Ochs

Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar
Vernon Reid
The Dap-Kings
Tim Cappello
Arthur Russell

Posted by Ian on Friday, 11.22.13 @ 19:17pm


We'll have our first monthly genre-based discussion starting on Sunday, December 1st for eligible Performers in the Classic Rock genre. I'll post a list of eligible artists for the genre after I get back on Sunday night as a starting point and we can go from there. Obviously, the non-performers / early influences and sidemen discussions can continue as well if anyone else has suggestions to add.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 11.26.13 @ 02:14am


I do have ideas for whom I would like to see inducted into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project amongst Non-Performers, Influences and Sidemen. Amongst Non-performers, I have been thinking in terms more plausible with the visual contributions of how we are able to see music along with hearing it.

Hipgnosis: I was really saddend to not have this collective inducted last month; compounding matters since our Class of 2029 was elected months after Storm Thorgerson died at age 69. Apart from fellow Revisited/Projected inductee Robert W. Pittman, no other visual artists had more influence than the partnership of Storm Thorgerson, Peter Christopherson, Aubrey Powell and their associates at Hipgnosis. The art designs, photographs, movies and settings were among the first fields of music to tell stories while you would hear the album. Long after Hipgnosis was closed, Thorgerson continued to provide innovative vidual art for numerous artists for their album covers and promotional materials. For future reference, fellow posters can look at Storm Thorgerson's official website to have a peek at these great artworks Hipgnosis conjured up in their day.

In addition to Hipgnosis, I have also been considering a number of music video directors and filmakers. I do wonder if there is any support to be given for the following:

Richard Lester
Martin Scorsese
Michael Wadleigh
John Landis
Russell Mulcahy
Hype Williams
Cameron Crowe
Spike Jonze
Penelope Spherris
Mark Romanek
Stephen Johnson
Andy Warhol
Godley and Creme

Amongst influences, I am interested in perhaps expanding our pallette to include noted composers of what is deemd classical music. For years, I have see Johann Sebastian Bach be touted as an influence. Bach may very well get on my shortlist for next time. Here are other composers that merit attention and consideration.

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Ludwig Van Beethovven
Johannes Brahms
Frederic Chopin
Richard Strauss
Aaron Copland
Leonard Bernstein
John Cage
Philip Glass
George Gershwin
Iannis Xenakis
Elliott Carter
Stephen Sondheim

I would even include Pter Schikele, aka P.D.Q. Bach, as both an influence for his musical aptitude and his humor.

Regarding Sidemen, several noted artists in their own write and importance have been just as important collaborating with others as they do create their own work. Some I am considering include:

Jennifer Batten
Paul Carrack
Narada Michael Walden
Joe Zawinul
Wayne Shorter
Jaco Pistorious
Weather Report (if you want to include the three aforementioned together)
Jean Luc-Ponty
Nathan East
Candy Dulfer
Bruce Hornsby
Gail Ann Dorsey
Carla Devito
Chris Rainbow

One other person to mention. I am seriously considering Jim Henson to be on my ballot next time. My problem is, I am not sure where Jim Henson fits in. By that I mean, do we consider Hensona Performer, a Non-Performer, or an Influence? Let me know what you fellow posters think of this idea of a Jim Henson induction. By inducting Rainbow Connection into the Song Project, this idea should merit a serious discussion.

Once yet again, Happy Thanksgiving and Hannukah (Thanksgivinkah) to all who follow,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Wednesday, 11.27.13 @ 22:11pm


Lax- I'm glad to see you mention Iannis Xenakis. He's actually right behind John Cage on the list of people I planned to push for for their major influence on the avant-garde and electronic side of rock.

They're actually my top 2 picks at this point, but I know it would be fruitless to push for both at the same time.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 11.27.13 @ 22:19pm


I've posted this same message 5 times but it keeps coming up as spam, so to keep it quick, I'll add the songwriting team of Neil Sedaka & Howard Greenfield for non-performers and Rick Derringer as sideman. I had their accomplishments all written out nicely too, but whatever.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 11.29.13 @ 19:30pm


Some great names I've seen mentioned. I'll throw out some more to add to the fire.

Non-Performers: Neil Sedaka & Howard Greenfield

They are considered two of the legendary Brill Building composers and have written for The Everly Brothers, Connie Francis, Jimmy Clanton, & Sedaka himself.

Sidemen: Rick Derringer

He's had a fairly successful solo career (Rock and Roll, Hoochie Koo) and a hit in a '60s band (Hang On Sloopy with the McCoys) but he's also played frequently with Johnny Winter And..., Edgar Winter's White Trash, The Edgar Winter Group, Alice Cooper, Todd Rundgren, Cyndi Lauper, "Weird Al" Yankovic, Steely Dan, & Ringo Starr.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 11.29.13 @ 22:26pm


Lax 30

Love your list of non performers, sidemen and Influences

My one question is if you group Pistorious, Zawinul, and Shorter together for Weather Report wouldn't they belong more in the influence category (or dare I say Performer)? Sure they had great side gigs as well, particularly with Miles Davis, but to the general music public they would be better known as Weather Report.

Putting them in individually as side men would be great but putting Weather Report in as a whole might lead to the same grumblings that many had about the Roots being in the sidemen category (I forget who said it in the comments but the line "sidemen to who...Jimmy Fallon?" had me laughing hysterically).

Posted by Tom H. on Saturday, 11.30.13 @ 12:22pm


I would like to make a push for Johnny Hodges for the sidemen category. With the exception of the early 1950's when he formed his own band, Hodges was the primary alto sax player for Duke Ellington's Orchestra for decades and features on many classic Ellington recordings including the classic album "Ellington at Newport"

Posted by Tom H. on Saturday, 11.30.13 @ 12:31pm


Rick Derringer was inducted into our blind ballot Hall as a sideman, rightfully so I think. I'd vote for him.

Posted by jtrichey on Saturday, 11.30.13 @ 23:53pm


We're forgetting Rick Derringer's greatest moment, "Real American", Hulk Hogan's entrance music.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.1.13 @ 01:15am


This month, we'll have the first in a series of ten monthly discussions of Performer candidates for next year's Projected / Re-Visited Hall Of Fame (no, you don't have to stop previous existing discussions at the start of a new month. lol). This month, we'll be discussing artists in the Classic Rock genre.

Here's a list of eligible artists that I consider to belong in this genre (some artists may not belong in the genre and some artists may be missing, so feel free to bring up any eligible artists that you would like to discuss):

.38 Special
10cc
Air Supply
Aldo Nova
America
April Wine
Argent
Asia
Atlanta Rhythm Section
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Bad English
Badfinger
Billy Squier
Blackfoot
Blind Faith
Blue Cheer
Blue yster Cult
Boston
Brian Setzer Orchestra
Brian Wilson
Brownsville Station
Bryan Adams
Buffalo Tom
Canned Heat
Charlie Daniels
Country Joe & the Fish
Damn Yankees
Dave Edmunds
David Lee Roth
Derek and the Dominos
Dr. John
Eddie Money
Edgar Winter
Edwin Starr
Five Man Electrical Band
Foghat
Foreigner
Free
George Thorogood
Gerry Rafferty
Golden Earring
Grand Funk / Grand Funk Railroad
Head East
Herman's Hermits
Humble Pie
Iron Butterfly
James Gang
Jeff Healey
Jefferson Starship
Jimmy Buffett
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
Joe Cocker
Joe Walsh
John Fogerty
John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers
Johnny Winter
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion
Kansas
Kid Rock
Little Feat
Little River Band
Little Steven and the Disciples of Soul
Loverboy
Manfred Mann
Meat Loaf
Mike and the Mechanics
Moby Grape
Molly Hatchet
Mott the Hoople
Mountain
Nazareth
Night Ranger
Norman Greenbaum
Pat Benatar
Pat Travers Band
Paul Revere & the Raiders
Pete Townshend
Peter Frampton
Pure Prairie League
Ram Jam
Raspberries
REO Speedwagon
Richie Havens
Rick Derringer
Ringo Starr
Robert Plant
Rockpile
Roger Waters
Sammy Hagar
Spirit
Status Quo
Stealer's Wheel
Stephen Stills
Steve Winwood / The Spencer Davis Group
Stevie Nicks
Sting
Styx
Sugarloaf
Supertramp
Survivor
Suzi Quatro
Sweet
Tangerine Dream
Ted Nugent / The Amboy Dukes
Ten Years After
The 13th Floor Elevators
The Alan Parsons Project
The Association
The Babys
The Black Crowes
The Blues Brothers
The Chambers Brothers
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
The Flying Burrito Brothers
The Georgia Satellites
The Grass Roots
The Greg Kihn Band
The Guess Who
The Highwaymen
The Honeydrippers
The Hooters
The J. Geils Band
The Jayhawks
The Marshall Tucker Band
The Modern Lovers
The Move
The Outfield
The Pretty Things
The Rutles
The Small Faces/The Faces
The Soft Machine
The Sonics
The Standells
The Tubes
Them
Three Dog Night
Thunderclap Newman
Todd Rundgren
Tom Cochrane / Red Rider
Tom Petty
Toto
Tower of Power
Traveling Wilburys
Triumph
Uriah Heep
Vanilla Fudge
Zager and Evans

Posted by Darren on Monday, 12.2.13 @ 22:42pm


Of the eligible artists in the Classic Rock genre that I posted, I consider these artists to be solid candidates:

.38 Special
America
Asia
Atlanta Rhythm Section
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Badfinger
Billy Squier
Blind Faith
Blue Cheer
Blue Oyster Cult
Boston
Bryan Adams
Canned Heat
Charlie Daniels
Country Joe And The Fish
Derek And The Dominos
Dr. John
Eddie Money
Edgar Winter
Foghat
Foreigner
George Thorogood
Gerry Rafferty / Stealer's Wheel
Grand Funk / Grand Funk Railroad
Humble Pie
Jimmy Buffett
Joan Jett / Joan Jett And The Blackhearts
Joe Cocker
Joe Walsh
John Fogerty
Johnny Winter
Kansas
Kid Rock
Manfred Mann
Meat Loaf
Moby Grape
Mott The Hoople
Nazareth
Pat Benatar
Peter Frampton
Raspberries
REO Speedwagon
Richie Havens
Ringo Starr
Sammy Hagar
Steve Winwood / The Spencer Davis Group
Stevie Nicks
Sting
Styx
Supertramp
Sweet
Ted Nugent / The Amboy Dukes
The 13th Floor Elevators
The Alan Parsons Project
The Association
The Black Crowes
The Grass Roots
The Guess Who
The J. Geils Band
The Marshall Tucker Band
The Modern Lovers
The Small Faces / The Faces
Three Dog Night
Todd Rundgren
Tom Cochrane / Red Rider
Toto
Traveling Wilburys
Uriah Heep
Vanilla Fudge


These are the artists I consider to be the top candidates in the genre:

Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Badfinger
Blue Oyster Cult
Boston
Dr. John
Foreigner
George Thorogood
Grand Funk / Grand Funk Railroad
Jimmy Buffett
Joan Jett / Joan Jett And The Blackhearts
Joe Cocker
Kansas
Pat Benatar
Steve Winwood / The Spencer Davis Group
Stevie Nicks
Sting
Styx
Supertramp
Sweet
Ted Nugent / The Amboy Dukes
The Black Crowes
The Guess Who
The J. Geils Band
The Small Faces / The Faces
Three Dog Night
Todd Rundgren

Posted by Darren on Monday, 12.2.13 @ 22:50pm


I would include Little Feat in a list of the top candidates. Though they didn't have much in the way of hit singles, their first four albums are universally acclaimed by critics, and they're one of the few bands identified as "boogie" or "swamp rock" whose influence extends far beyond those niche genres. Among cult acts, I would place them somewhere in between Big Star and Van Dyke Parks (the latter of whom covered "Sailin' Shoes" on his Discover America album).

Posted by Idlewild on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 00:00am


Darren,

I think your lists prove that even the Hall has a good crop of people to still pick from this genre.

I can say from your list I can only throw my support behind a few artists. If the build up for Pat Benatar can get her close to induction I will definitely back her. Stevie Nicks as well, although I think I would only have room on the ballot for one of them. Jimmy Buffett is appealing, just for his following. I like the idea of getting Styx, Boston, Foreigner, and Kansas in. I think they take hits for how popular they were. Of the four I would say Foreigner would be where I would make my first push. Lou Gramm doesn't get the credit he deserves for how amazing of a vocalist he is.

I don't think I'll throw my support behind Joan Jett, Ted Nugent, or Sweet. An argument could be made to sway me, but I just don't see them nabbing a spot on any ballot of mine in the near future (to many acts comparable that I would give my slots to).

So here are the ten from your pool I would or could have on my ballot this year. Ranked in order of likelihood:

1) Pat Benatar
2) Foreigner
3) Stevie Nicks
4) Styx
5) Jimmy Buffett
6) Blue Oyster Cult
7) Boston
8) Sting
9) Todd Rundgren
10) Kansas

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 00:18am


Your definition of Classic Rock leaves me a little confused. I'm wondering if you're also including Oldies, or if you don't mean to, where do you draw the distinction? I don't hear the Association or the Grass Roots played on any "Classic rock" station. So I guess I'd like some clarification first. Meanwhile, I'll glean your list for artists I'd support:

.38 Special
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Boston
Canned Heat
Country Joe & the Fish
Eddie Money
Edwin Starr
Foghat
Foreigner
George Thorogood And The Destroyers
Grand Funk / Grand Funk Railroad
Herman's Hermits
Jimmy Buffett
Manfred Mann
Meat Loaf
Pat Benatar
Paul Revere & the Raiders
Peter Frampton
REO Speedwagon
Ringo Starr
Steve Winwood
The Spencer Davis Group
Supertramp
Sweet
The Flying Burrito Brothers
The Grass Roots
The Guess Who
The J. Geils Band
The Marshall Tucker Band
Three Dog Night
Todd Rundgren
Tower of Power
Traveling Wilburys
Uriah Heep

I'll post more suggestions after some clarification.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 01:09am


Darren, if this genre list is for 2029, I don't see any artists that would have become eligible 2014 - 2028. I know there must have been some.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 07:31am


Paul in KY - "Darren, if this genre list is for 2029, I don't see any artists that would have become eligible 2014 - 2028. I know there must have been some."

In the other genres, sure, but classic rock is a genre that implies artists of a certain age. When I did my genre evaluations, most of the more modern bands were lumped into other genres like singer / songwriter and alternative genres. We can certain discuss any artists that should be included in this discussion, even if they also fit in the other genres as well. Who did you have in mind?

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 08:16am


Philip - There's a classic rock genre and an early rock n roll genre. You're probably right about the Association and The Grass Roots. I'm sure there are probably a few other artists that belong in both genres or a different genre, as well. I know there were many artists in the upcoming genres that were difficult to place in a genre, so this certainly isn't the last time this will come up. lol

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 08:23am


Thanks Darren. Though from your list, I was also thrown by Tower Of Power and Edwin Starr, who are much more classic R&B/soul than "Classic rock".

I'm going to add Petra to that list. I know they're not considered Classic Rock, but I'm including them for two reasons: one, their first release came out in the early-to-mid '70s; two, I don't think we're ever gonna get to a discussion of Christian Rock, though there might be a "miscellaneous/fringe" discussion. Their sound has been very much modeled a lot of Real Hall and Revisited/Projected Hall inductees, and should be seriously considered.

Also, returning to Non-Performers, we got Steve Barri And P.F. Sloan in the blind ballot, I believe, but I'd like to see them included on the Projected list. Especially if the Grass Roots are getting this much preliminary support.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 12:53pm


Darren, if 'Classic Rock' is supposed to imply artists from a gertain past time period only, then that is fine.

An act that I would have thought fits the 'classic rock' genre would be Gov't Mule (haven't got time to locate others).

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 13:35pm


Artists from Darren's master list that I support:
America
Badfinger
Foreigner
Kid Rock
Little River Band
Manfred Mann
Pat Benatar
Paul Revere & the Raiders
REO Speedwagon
Ringo Starr
Steve Winwood
Sting
Styx
Supertramp
Sweet
The Guess Who
Them
Three Dog Night
Uriah Heep

I would also include some British acts like:
Wishbone Ash
Hawkwind
Slade
Madness

and Billy Idol probably could fit in here as well.

My top 10:
1. Sweet - the best rock band I know at putting a chorus together
2. Foreigner
3. The Guess Who
4. Supertramp
5. Billy Idol
6. REO Speedwagon
7. Styx
8. Sting
9. Ringo Starr
10. Wishbone Ash

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 15:05pm


For classic rock I would add country rockers like Poco to the list unless we are grouping country rock with the singer-songwriters.

My Top picks:

1. Poco
2. Badfinger
3. Sweet
4. Foreigner
5. The Flying Burrito Brothers
6. Slade
7. The Raspberries
8. Uriah Heep
9. Mott the Hoople
10. Todd Rundgren

Also I'm going to suggest some candidates for the side categories

Non-Performers:

Mac Davis- Yes he had a successful career as a singer himself in 70's. Before and during his own career written songs for Elvis, Nancy Sinatra, B.J. Thomas, and many others.

Van Dyke Parks- This could be the best for him to reconize his as an arranger. Since he's not well remembered as an artist.

Diane Warren- Has been a go to songwriter for many singers since the 80's.

Desmond Child- Go to songwriter for Bon Jovi, Aerosmith and more during the 80's and 90's.

Kara Dioguardi- One of the songwriters in today's top pop music.

Influence:

Tiny Bradshaw- one of the early pioneers of rock n roll. Notably he wrote and recorded The Train-Kept- Rolling before Johnny Burnette.

Sidemen:

Reggie Young
Tommy Bolin
Cornel DuPree

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 16:09pm


Greg F., in all fairness, I should warn you that I will never support, and will be actively against Diane Warren. Her list of songs she's written is more like a rapsheet. She has a few good ones, but overall, she is a HORRIBLE songwriter. Her songs are drivel. I cannot overstate how terrible I think she is.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 18:02pm


From the previous posts. these are the artists I'd be most likely to support:

Blue Cheer
Charlie Daniels
Dr. John
Joan Jett
Joe Cocker
Johnny Winter
Raspberries
The Spencer Davis Group
Sting
Sweet
The 13th Floor Elevators
The Black Crowes
The Guess Who
The Modern Lovers
Little Feat
The Flying Burrito Brothers
Billy Idol

Also since we're being loose about this genre, my two early locks for next year are Lou Reed, who I bumped at the last minute this year in favor of Arcade Fire, which I regret, and the Paul Butterfield Blues Band. I didn't realize until just after voting this year that we haven't inducted them yet. That's a pretty big oversight.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 18:09pm


These are the artists I would be most likely to support in the realm of Classic Rock

Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Badfinger
Blind Faith
Blue Oyster Cult
Boston
Bryan Adams
Derek And The Dominos
Foreigner
Gerry Rafferty / Stealer's Wheel
Grand Funk / Grand Funk Railroad
Jimmy Buffett
Kansas
Manfred Mann
Meat Loaf
Mott The Hoople
Paul Butterfield
REO Speedwagon
Ringo Starr
Steve Winwood / The Spencer Davis Group
Sting
Styx
Supertramp
Ted Nugent / The Amboy Dukes
The Alan Parsons Project
The Association
The Black Crowes
The Grass Roots
The Guess Who
The J. Geils Band
The Small Faces / The Faces
Three Dog Night
Traveling Wilburys

The Ten Id most likely support (alphabetically)

Blue Oyster Cult
Derek And The Dominos
Foreigner
Jimmy Buffett
Paul Butterfield
Ringo Starr
Styx
Supertramp
The Guess Who
Three Dog Night

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 18:33pm


Out of what has been mentioned so far, I would be most likely to support:

Badfinger
Billy Idol
Blue Cheer
Blue Oyster Cult
Boston
Flying Burrito Brothers
Foreigner
George Thorogood
Grand Funk / Grand Funk Railroad
Jimmy Buffett
Joan Jett / Joan Jett And The Blackhearts
Joe Cocker
Kid Rock
Little Feat
Pat Benatar
Slade
Steve Winwood / The Spencer Davis Group
Sting
Styx
Supertramp
Sweet
Ted Nugent / The Amboy Dukes
The Black Crowes
The Grass Roots
The Guess Who
The Small Faces / The Faces
Three Dog Night

My prioity remains The Guess Who, and I hope that they don't lose the momentum they had this year in the next election.

The next ones on my list would be Sweet, Foreigner, Pat Benatar, Joe Cocker, George Thorogood and Billy Idol.

My support for Kid Rock and The Black Crowes is more dependent on other artists from the 90's getting in first, though they are on my short list for that decade.

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 18:35pm


I might support these "Classic Rock" acts for next election:

America
Boston
Badfinger
Country Joe and the Fish
Foreinger
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Joe Cocker
Mott the Hopple
Pat Benatar
Steve Winwood
The J.Geils Band
Ten Years After
Three Dog Night
Toto
Uriah Heep
Vanilla Fudge

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 21:41pm


I agree w/99% of what you listed. However, I'm a tad confounded about the listing of both Kid Rock & the Brain Setzer Orchestra under "classic rock".

I'd probably support them, but Setzer's doing a full-on big band trip here, & the Kid might sample from Skynyrd, but that don't make him any more classic rock than the Fat Boys reworking some 60's tunes.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 21:42pm


Cheesecrop - Kid Rock has, at various points in his career, fit into rap, hard rock, classic rock, country and maybe even metal or singer-songwriter. Feel free to consider his music in whatever genre works best for you. lol

I was probably thinking of Stray Cats when I lumped Brian Setzer Orchestra into this genre. We don't really have a 90's Swing genre to discuss, though...

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 21:57pm


I was going to ask why the Brian Setzer Orchestra made the list; but not the Stray-Cats. The latter seems like a much better pick out of the two.

Anyway, my 10 picks for the Classic Rock genre:

1. The Blue Oyster Cult
2. The Guess Who/Bachman-Turner Overdrive (I feel the earlier band covers both acts sufficiently).
3. The Association
4. Meat Loaf
5. Boston
6. The J. Geils Band
7. Joan Jett and The Blackhearts
8. Paul Revere and The Raiders
9. Billy Idol
10. Status Quo

There's a good number of other artists I'd consider down the line. But I think keeping my picks to a top ten or less shows where I'm thinking better than a huge list; seeing as I usually pick one artist per genre or era per year regardless.

Posted by Ian on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 22:40pm


My top 10 classic rock picks are as follows:

1. Todd Rundgren
2. Mott the Hoople
3. Badfinger
4. Small Faces / Faces
5. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
6. Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers
7. Supertramp
8. Little Feat
9. Dr. John
10. Boston

Bubbling Under:

Jimmy Buffett
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The 13th Floor Elevators
Blue Oyster Cult
Ted Nugent

I wouldn't be opposed to Meat Loaf getting in, but I would rather see Jim Steinman inducted as a non-performer first.

Posted by Idlewild on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 22:57pm


1. De La Soul
2. Afrika Bambaataa
3. A Tribe Called Quest
4. Nas
5. Lauryn Hill
6. Kendrick Lamar
7. Joan Jett
8. ShangRi Las
9. Mary Wells
10. Ice T

Posted by Posdonus on Friday, 12.6.13 @ 14:19pm


Top Classic Rock Priorities for my ballot

1.Three Dog Night
2.The Guess Who
3.Supertramp
4.Foreigner
5.Paul Revere and the Raiders
6.Styx
7.Blue Oyster Cult
8.Paul Butterfield
9.Derek And The Dominos
10.Jimmy Buffett

Honorable mention
Ringo Starr


Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 12.11.13 @ 12:00pm


If it's possible to have a negative priority, Jimmy Buffet is it for me. I hate him with every fiber of my being. What he's done to rock music is a sad sad tale IMO. Harsh? Yeah, probably, but boy I'd hate to see him get much traction.

Posted by jtrichey on Thursday, 12.12.13 @ 00:21am


Of the artists in the "classic rock" genre, I would support:

Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Billy Idol
Blue yster Cult
Boston
Foreigner
George Thorogood & The Destroyers
Grand Funk Railroad
Herman's Hermits
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
Joe Cocker
Kansas
Meat Loaf (Although I COMPLETELY agree on Jim Steinman)
Mott the Hoople
Pat Benatar
Rick Derringer (Although I could see him going in as a sideman)
Ringo Starr
Steve Winwood / The Spencer Davis Group
Stevie Nicks
Styx
Sweet
The Association
The Grass Roots
The Guess Who
The J. Geils Band
Three Dog Night

Todd Rundgren (Although we have him as an inductee in Non-Performer)

And I'd also like to really make a case for the Sonics. They are incredibly influential, specifically for hard rock, garage, and punk. In fact many cite them as a legitimate contender as THE first punk band. Artists such as Bruce Springsteen, Nirvana, the White Stripes, the Cramps, the Fall, the Dead Boys, the Flaming Lips, and the Hives, amongst others. In "Losing my Edge,"the first single by LCD Soundsystem, Murphy cites a ton of bands that have influenced him, and ends the song by repeating the Sonics four times.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 12.12.13 @ 16:24pm


Made a goof in my last post. I meant to say that the "Arists such as..." have all cited the Sonics as a major influence.

Anyway, I recommend checking out the songs "Strychnine," "the Witch," and "Maintaining My Cool."

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 12.12.13 @ 16:35pm


I have finally gotten around to looking into potential Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project inductees for next year and the forseeable future. Having made notice of whom I may think to induct amongst Non-Performers, Influences and Sidemen; we now turn our attention to those Performers that are considered classic rock.

Now, on a personal level, classic rock means essentially a wide range of mainstreeam and semi-mainsteeam artists who performed rock and roll from the 1960s through the 1980s. If you still hear a song from thee artists on the radio, and if you have any of these artists' albums, then it is classic rock. Having taken a look at many of our fellow posters list of classic rock artists that can potentially become future Revisited/Projected inductees, I can safely say these artists listed herein are worthy of my and others' attention for induction in the near future.


10cc
Asia
Bad English
Badfinger
Blue yster Cult
Boston
Brian Wilson
Bryan Adams
Country Joe McDonald
Damn Yankees
Dave Edmunds
David Lee Roth
Edgar Winter
Edwin Starr
Foreigner
Free
Gerry Rafferty
Grand Funk Railroad
Humble Pie
Iron Butterfly
James Gang
Jeff Healey
Jimmy Buffett
Joan Jett
Joe Cocker
Joe Walsh
John Fogerty
John Mayall
Kansas
Kid Rock
Little Feat
Little Steven Van Zandt
Meat Loaf
Mike and the Mechanics
Mott the Hoople
Norman Greenbaum
Pat Benatar
Pete Townshend
Peter Frampton
Pure Prairie League
Raspberries
Richie Havens
Ringo Starr
Robert Plant
Roger Waters
Sammy Hagar
Status Quo
Steve Winwood
Stevie Nicks
Sting
Styx
Supertramp
Suzi Quatro
Sweet
Tangerine Dream
Ted Nugent
Ten Years After
The 13th Floor Elevators
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
The Blues Brothers
Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers
The Move
The Pretty Things
The Rutles
The Small Faces/The Faces
Wishbone Ash
Hawkwind
Billy Idol
Lou Reed
Paul Butterfield


Since we seem to add at least one more artist per post, I would also like to include Phil Collins. I have said before that while Collins' work with Genesis is amongst his best; he did make some quite good records and appearances outside of Genesis. Phil Collins' first three solo albums alone are enough to consider his entire ouvre.

All of these artists listed above are worthy of at least serious consideration for being inducted in the near future. There are, however, some I will likely not support. Let it be known, I am not much of a fan of Jimmy Buffett, Ted Nugent, Norman Greenbaum, Iron Butterfly, and some others on the list. None the less, I do believe they deserve consideration; I might even change my mind on some of them.

With that out of the way, here are the top 10 of these classic rock artists that I would wholeheartedly support for the next election. These are in order of relative importance.

1. Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
2. Richie Havens
3. Sting
4. Pat Benatar
5. Joan Jett
6. Bad English
7. Phil Collins
8. Mike + The Mechanics
9. Lou Reed
10. Foreigner

As of now, Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project are number one in my list of classic rock artists that need to be inducted very soon. Easily one of the more theatrical and innovative partnerships in the height of the art rock movement; both in their songcraft (Woolfson) and their production (Parsons). The rest of the top 10 fluctuates in my positioning of importance.

I will attempt to explain the reasoning for these specific 10 artists in classic rock to be inducted in the near future. We know they are worthy; the big question is why are they worthy of an induction. I am also open to the idea of having Van Dyke Parks, Mac Davis, Desmond Child and Kara Dioguardi be considered as non-performing songwriters and arrangers. I do understand the reluctance to consider Diane Warren; I would likely not vote for her myself due to the mixed track record Waaren's songs have with me. I also am open to having Tommy Bolin be inducted as a sideman.

I look forward to discussing more of these matters when the time arrises. Do understand these posts are rather lengthy, and thus a great deal needs to be discussed so that an idea of what might be the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2030 can occur. Maybe the vote will happen much sooner than we think.

A project where we need to think twice, at least once more,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Wednesday, 12.18.13 @ 20:54pm


Personally I feel like we are near the end of worthy Classic Rock artists, but there are a few I could consider voting for or at least supporting:

Badfinger
Boston
Dr. John
Foreigner
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers
Mountain
Pat Benatar
Paul Revere & the Raiders
Ringo Starr
The Spencer Davis Group or Steve Winwood
Sting
Sweet
The Guess Who
The Small Faces
The Sonics

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 12.18.13 @ 21:34pm


Some of the Classic Rock Artists so far discussed that I am most enthusiastic about include:

.38 Special
Argent
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Badfinger
Blue yster Cult 
Boston
Bryan Adams
Derek and the Dominos
Eddie Money 
Edgar Winter 
Edwin Starr
Foreigner 
Free
Grand Funk / Grand Funk Railroad
Herman's Hermits
Jefferson Starship
John Fogerty
Loverboy
Meat Loaf 
Mike and the Mechanics
Pat Benatar
Pete Townshend 
Peter Frampton
Phil Collins
REO Speedwagon
Stevie Nicks 
Sting
Stray Cats instead of Brian Setzer Orchestra 
Styx
Supertramp
The Guess Who 
The Highwaymen 
The Honeydrippers
Traveling Wilburys

Posted by Jennifer on Thursday, 12.19.13 @ 05:45am


What's everyone's opinion on a Lee Hazlewood induction here? or Jimmy Iovine??

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 12.19.13 @ 06:38am


Lax30, can tell you I will be casting a vote for Dionne Warwick next election. Watched the Soul Train Awards show recently & they gave her the Lifetime Achievement Award. They sold me on her relevance & accomplishments.

Think she should be in the Hall & I will be voting accordingly.

Hope you & your family have a great Holiday Season.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12.19.13 @ 07:44am


As for 'classic rock' genre (as determined by those running this thing), I would probably only be open to:

Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Badfinger
Blue yster Cult
Boston
Foreigner
Grand Funk
Pat Benatar
Phil Collins
REO Speedwagon
Styx
Supertramp
The Guess Who
Mountain
Paul Revere & Raiders
Ringo Starr
Little Feat
Wishbone Ash

Maybe a few more I haven't thought of.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12.19.13 @ 08:41am


Some of the artists I am most enthusiastic about for this Classic Rock project are:

America
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Blood Sweat and Tears
Crowded House
Dave Edmunds
Edgar Winter
Gerry Rafferty
Grand Funk Railroad
Jimmy Buffett
Meat Loaf
Pat Beneatar
Richie Havens
Sting
Supertramp
The Grass Roots
The Raspberries
Three Dog Night

Of everyone on that list, I would prioritize America, Supertramp, and Jimmy Buffett, in that order.

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 12.19.13 @ 16:12pm


What's everyone's opinion on a Lee Hazlewood induction here? or Jimmy Iovine??

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 12.19.13 @ 06:38am

Which category did you have in mind for Lee Hazelwood?

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 12.19.13 @ 16:42pm


Non-performer seems like where he fits best unless someone can give a better argument otherwise.

Posted by rockstar23 on Friday, 12.20.13 @ 04:53am


Non-performer seems like where he fits best unless someone can give a better argument otherwise.

Posted by rockstar23 on Friday, 12.20.13 @ 04:53am

He'd be a very solid NP candidate. I just wanted to make sure, Performer would've been a bit of a stretch.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 12.20.13 @ 06:05am


These classic rock artists have my attention the most:

America
Badfinger
Blue Cheer
Blue Oyster Cult
Boston
Derek and the Dominos
Foreigner
The Guess Who
Iron Butterfly
Jimmy Buffett
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
Kansas
Pat Benatar
Phil Collins
REO Speedwagon
Styx
Supertramp
Three Dog Night

Posted by Paul K on Friday, 12.20.13 @ 16:05pm


I've been waiting for years to see if the people "In the know" will come to their sense and put CHICAGO @ BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS in the hall of fame. The only rational decision I can come up with these people have know idea what these bands did for music in the early 70's. They made pure musicians who belong and played in your local High School bands feel like we belong.
Their sonds are classics. It's a dishonor to the music industry. But then again am I really surprised ? No look how long it took to put Linda in. Really !!!!!!! Know your history or don't vote.
I've visited the Hall and would love to go back but can't, too many people are getting in before the TRUE LEGENDS get what should be a " A NO BRAINER "

Posted by Ed Coulombe on Saturday, 12.21.13 @ 10:03am


The genre up for discussion this month is Early Rock N Roll. This isn't my area of expertise, but when I was going through the list of eligible artists, these are some of the artists that I flagged for this genre:

Bobby Vee
Bobby Vinton
Booker T. and the M.G.'s
Cliff Richard & the Shadows
Dale Hawkins
Darlene Love
Huey Piano Smith and the Clowns
Joe South
Joe Tex
Johnny Ace
Johnny Mathis
Mitch Ryder
Muddy Waters
Paul Anka
Peggy Lee
Quicksilver Messenger Service
Sam the Sham & the Pharaohs
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Swinging Blue Jeans
The "5" Royales
The Avalanches
The Big Bopper
The Box Tops
The Carter Family
The Contours
The Count Five
The Dells
The Del-Vikings
The Dixie Cups
The Dominoes
The Easybeats
The Electric Prunes
The Five Keys
The Five Satins
The Kingsmen
The Penguins
The Searchers
The Surfaris
The Tokens
The Tornados
The Trashmen
The Troggs
The Turtles
The Weavers
The Youngbloods
Tiny Tim
Tom Jones
Wynonie Harris

Feel free to point out artists that I've overlooked or point out artists that belong in a different genre.

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 01.2.14 @ 23:37pm


The Chantays count as Early Rock I believe.

Posted by SotN on Friday, 01.3.14 @ 00:15am


Darren, I'd throw The Shangri La's into this category as well. In my opinion their recording of "The Leader of the Pack is an essential track from it's time period. Also I'd like to add Herman's Hermits to the list. While they didn't adapt with the times as well as some other British Invasion groups did (Beatles, Stones, The Who) They had a string of hits in the mid 60's that most groups could have only dreamed of, Many of which are staples of oldies stations across the country.

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 01.3.14 @ 13:22pm


Also the following acts from your list are already inducted into the project either as sidemen (or women) or Early Influences:

Booker T. and the M.G.'s
Darlene Love
Huey Piano Smith and the Clowns
Dale Hawkins
Muddy Waters
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
The "5" Royales
The Weavers

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 01.3.14 @ 13:52pm


Sorry, strike that. Johnny Ace has been inducted into the project not Dale Hawkins. And the Carter Family is in too.

From Darrens list and a few additions of my own these are my 10 priority candidates

1. Paul Revere & The Raiders (I know we talked about them in the classic rock category but I feel they fit in with the tail end of this category too)
2. The Shangri La's (see previous post for Reasons)
3. Hermans Hermits (See previous post for Reasons)
4. The Association (Same reason as #1)
5. Peggy Lee (could also fit in the Influence category)
6. Petula Clark (Her and Dusty Springfield were easily the leading ladies of the British Invasion)
7. The Big Bopper
8. Paul Anka (great songwriter too: wrote "My Way" for Sinatra)
9. The Turtles
10. The Five Satins (six words: "In The Still of the Night")

Not Sure if Dionne Warwick fits in this category but if she does then shes right up there in the Top 5 (taking Peggy Lee's spot)

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 01.3.14 @ 14:14pm


I put Shangri-La's in with R&B along with the other girl groups (the list I was using had thousands of artists, so it was a bit of a skim and guess job to figure out where everyone went). We can discuss them now as well. The important thing is that the favorites get discussed, regardless of where they get grouped.

I put Dionne Warwick in the pop group, but again, we can discuss her now if you like.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 01.3.14 @ 14:36pm


I'd like to throw out Jack Scott into contention.

He was the first caucasian rock and roll star to come out of Detroit and has had more U.S. singles released in a shorter period of time than any other artist, with the exception being the Beatles. It's been said of Jack Scott that "with the exception of Roy Orbison and Elvis Presley, no white rock and roller of the time ever developed a finer voice with a better range...or cut a more convincing body of work in rockabilly, rock and roll, country soul, gospel, or blues."

He is an inductee into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame and is still touring and releasing albums today.

So my priority candidates from this section would include:

Jack Scott
Petula Clark
Herman's Hermits
The Association
Paul Anka
Bobby Vee
Bobby Vinton
Bobby Rydell
The Big Bopper
Tom Jones

If The Dells/The Moonglows count then them too, although I'm more inclined to classify them as R&B.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 01.3.14 @ 15:24pm


"Lax30, can tell you I will be casting a vote for Dionne Warwick next election. Watched the Soul Train Awards show recently & they gave her the Lifetime Achievement Award. They sold me on her relevance & accomplishments.

Think she should be in the Hall & I will be voting accordingly."


Posted by Paul in KY

Somebody needs to tell Philip. He still doesn't think she deserves to get in.

Posted by Bill G on Friday, 01.3.14 @ 15:52pm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_Warwick#Awards_and_honors

Once you see all of the awards that Dionne's won, you be SHOCKED that she wasn't inducted years ago.

Just like THE MIRACLES, who have ,like Dionne, won so many awards, one would have thought that Rock and Roll H of F induction would have been a NO-BRAINER, a foregone conclusion, over TWO DECADES AGO . Same with Dionne.

Posted by Bill G on Friday, 01.3.14 @ 15:59pm


Darren- To be honest I was really surprised that Dionne Warwick was not in yet considering how successful her recording carrer was. I see your point though about how she can be more easily lumped into the Pop category easpecially considering all of her collaborations with Burt Bacharach. Either way she is on my short list for the next election cycle.

Steve Z- I think the Dells/Moonglows should merit a bit of conideration if for no other reason then that they are in the actual Hall of Fame. As far as being R&B, I think that's a tricky question and more depending on who you ask. A lot of those older groups fit easily into both categories (including one of my shortlist picks The Five Satins) but the great thing about this is that some of the artists that are being talked about fit nicely into multiple categories.

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 01.3.14 @ 18:29pm


"Somebody needs to tell Philip. He still doesn't think she deserves to get in."--Bill G.

So much for agreeing to disagree.


Looking at this month's selection, this is my biggest bailiwick. Unfortunately, I've forgotten who's all in our project and who's not, so I'm just going by the ones who are not in the real Hall. If we inducted them in our project, my apologies.

I agree that we really need to get the Dells and the Moonglows in. Any act in the real Hall not in our project already (except Percy Sledge, and (Small) Faces) should be inducted in our project. I'm going to bleed some lines here between early rock'n'roll, classic R&B, classic rock, whatever. From your list given already:

Cliff Richard & the Shadows
Joe Tex
Johnny Ace
Mitch Ryder And The Detroit Wheels
The "5" Royales
The Big Bopper
The Dells
The Del-Vikings
The Dominoes
The Five Keys
The Five Satins
The Kingsmen
The Tokens
The Turtles

Others of my own to add:
The Harptones
The Charms
Jesse Belvin
Marv Johnson
The Chi-Lites
The Delfonics
The Stylistics
The Moments
The Dramatics
The Manhattans
The Shangri-Las
The Chiffons
The Crystals
The Chantels
The Crew Cuts (I think we got them in our project)
The Clovers
Brook Benton
Jerry Butler
The Buckinghams
Steppenwolf
The Grass Roots
The Guess Who
Connie Francis
Jan And Dean
Tommy James And The Shondells
Paul Revere And The Raiders
Gary U.S. Bonds
Freddy Cannon
Lesley Gore
Chubby Checker
Bobby Rydell
Pat Boone (yes, I'll defend his merits, tenable as they be)
Canned Heat
Jim Croce
Danny And The Juniors
Dick Dale And The Del-Tones
The Diamonds
The Doobie Brothers
The Fifth Dimension
Johnny And The Hurricanes
Buddy Knox And The Rhythm Orchids
Nilsson
Billy Preston
Lou Rawls
Johnny Rivers (borderline case, but I'll go with it)
The Spinners
Ringo Starr
Johnnie Taylor
Three Dog Night
Junior Walker And The All-Stars
War
Barry White
Larry Williams
The Zombies
Ben E. King
The Crests
Joe Simon

Might be more to follow later...

Posted by Philip on Friday, 01.3.14 @ 19:01pm


Personally I feel this category has been picked over pretty thoroughly. There is still a few pieces of meat on the bones though.

Of Darren's list, I could support at some point:

Cliff Richard & the Shadows
Johnny Mathis

Could also include:
Paul Revere (as mentioned, discussed last month too)
Jan & Dean
Johnny Rivers

Basically these are artists that have had 40 + elections to make some noise. We have inducted just about all the major players, and in my opinion we should not focus our efforts too much on this era.


Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 01.7.14 @ 14:31pm


Oops, looks like Jan & Dean got in a few years ago. Good for them, an excellent selection.

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 01.7.14 @ 14:35pm


jtrichey-I agree that we've done pretty well with this section of rock. I think a lot of names are being thrown out for consideration so that we can take a double look on some of these artists and see if maybe they can merit induction. They probably wouldn't be "A" inductees (i.e. shoo-ins), but "B" or "C"s are a possibility.

Glad to see the support for the Dells and Moonglows. They, along with Bill Withers & Ben E. King, are my top R&B picks. Other names that I forgot to mention before that I think could merit some inspection include Neil Sedaka, Lesley Gore, Sonny & Cher, Johnny Rivers, the 5th Dimension, Chubby Checker, the Del-Vikings, and Jay & the Americans.

I'm iffy on Danny & the Juniors, Johnny Maestro & the Brooklyn Bridge, and Larry Chance & the Earls, tbh.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 01.9.14 @ 00:28am


I can't quite share your sentiments about doing "pretty well" with this section. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the names I listed aren't A-listers, but then again I feel like we inducted some B, C, and even D-listers in others genres simply because they were personal faves of members here. (Throbbing Gristle, folks... really?)

I also feel that way because all throughout the voting process I felt like people treated earlier acts as "filler" names because the names we wanted weren't eligible yet. If we had used a 20 year wait instead of 25, I suspect we would have never gotten half the R&B names in that we have now. Early rock, ESPECIALLY on the R&B side always came off as something to vote for until more favored artists came along. Maybe that's "No X before Y" logic talking. I almost wish the real hall had made it a 30 year rule, given that their first inductions were in '86. They could really have picked a lot of these branches clean, wouldn't have to resort to side door inductions for Wanda Jackson or Freddie King, could've gotten Chuck Willis in by now, Solomon Burke before 10 nominations, King Curtis in as a Performer... I just feel it would have been a lot more thorough and less backlog. But who knows? Eight years before being able to get to the Beatles would have probably killed it before they got to 1993.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01.9.14 @ 12:50pm


"(Throbbing Gristle, folks... really?)'

If you check, we haven't inducted Throbbing Gristle, though they do have a more tangible influence on the present than a great number of artists that we're discussing this month and kick started a genre that to this day has it's fingerprints all over EDM, which is the most popular form of music on the planet right now.

TG is every bit as important as Suicide, who should've been inducted years before they were.

If you want to illustrate a low bar in your view, there are plenty of worthy names who we have actually inducted.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 01.9.14 @ 17:07pm


Sorry, Throbbing Gristle was a blind ballot inductee, got the two projects confused. Though Throbbing Gristle stands out more memorably for being one of the more ridiculously named acts.

Though I'm not sure whom we've inducted that you think I would consider a low-bar inductee. I know I wasn't big on Massive Attack, Pavement, Siouxsie And The Banshees, The Specials, and a lot of the pre-Nirvana alternative acts, but I wasn't opposed to Sonic Youth, the Smiths, or the Pixies either. Punk I thought got picked as clean as you could reasonably get...I've yet to see anyone push for Die Toten Hosen or the Bhopal Stiffs.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01.9.14 @ 17:20pm


"Though Throbbing Gristle stands out more memorably for being one of the more ridiculously named acts."

Indeed. No argument there.

"Though I'm not sure whom we've inducted that you think I would consider a low-bar inductee."

I won't name names, but most of them are much closer to my scope of focus or genres of preference than some might think.

"I know I wasn't big on Massive Attack, Pavement, Siouxsie And The Banshees, The Specials,"

That's just you putting your biases above the actual importance of the artists, something I've been very guilty of at times, especially with Prog and 70s Hard Rock bands. I've been trying to get better about it, though.

"I've yet to see anyone push for Die Toten Hosen or the Bhopal Stiffs."

I promise Die Toten Hosen will never make it further than my iPod.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 01.9.14 @ 17:36pm


""Though I'm not sure whom we've inducted that you think I would consider a low-bar inductee."

I won't name names, but most of them are much closer to my scope of focus or genres of preference than some might think."

Clarification: I don't know who you'd consider low bar. This comment was about who I would.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 01.9.14 @ 17:38pm


"That's just you putting your biases above the actual importance of the artists,"

I don't think that's entirely true... I know I spent a lot of energy getting real Hall Of Famers in over a lot of the other ones, and acts like the Tokens... that's not (just) personal bias... those are acts I truly feel are deserving of recognition.

Also, I think a lot of the acts I haven't backed were either simply more important on the other side of the Atlantic or were either too modern or too underground to have blipped my radar.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 01.10.14 @ 01:20am


Philip - Even though we disagree on quite a few things, I think that one thing we have in common (as do a few others) is that we've both been here for a lot of years talking up artists who may not be household names, but were important and largely fall into eras or genres that tend to get consistently overlooked around here.

I actually listen to other people who do that, but sometimes it takes longer to sink in than others. I used to categorically loathe 50s rock with a few exceptions (Vincent, Burnette). To me the whole era sounded really adolescent and undeveloped (not to mention that Boomers who think that their music is the only music nauseate and repel me). But, largely because of a few people continually pushing that era I made a conscious effort to actually delve into it a bit deeper and see it both within the context of its time and place as well as its influence going forward.

I've actually warmed up to that era quite a bit and really broadened my understanding of what came after that I already enjoyed by doing so. Even with genres like Doo Wop that I still don't enjoy, I can at least acknowledge the importance. The Moonglows or the Dells are both on my Revisited radar now where I would've laughed at the idea a few years ago (and likely did).

I know that trying to push things that aren't part of the elementary pop culture narrative can feel like talking to a brick wall most of the time, but some times it pays off eventually.

I always keep that in mind when I'm talking up Bauhaus or Throbbing Gristle or the Slits or trying to explain how the Industrial or Post-Industrial bands of the 70s and 80s have an important and directly observable imprint on how music sounds in 2013.

I think we have room here to tell the whole story, but eventually it has to take everybody growing beyond their blind spots and personal narrative of RnR history that they originally show up to FRL with.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 01.10.14 @ 02:50am


And I do try to look beyond personal taste and narrative. Like I said, it wasn't just personal taste that made me vote for the artists I have. I've yet to cast a vote for Jay And The Americans, the Vogues, the Association, Petula Clark, Tom Jones, or the Four Preps...all acts I very much love, but don't consider as having merit for the Hall or even our project. Normally for an act that I'm not familiar with their music, I at least think I should at least have heard of them. I couldn't tell Jane's Addiction from the Stone Roses, but I've heard of both, so they're probably both important enough... keep in mind I don't use that argument to nominate acts, only when fielding consideration and arguments, and when it comes to tie-breakers.

With acts like TG and the Specials, I often forget about their impact on the other side of the Atlantic, and how global this project endeavors to be opposed to the Real Hall (though I do worry that we're ignoring the American product out of personal bias too). Siouxsie & the Banshees on this side were considered a novelty act, so that shocked me when people got behind their induction.

Also, I just got my Internet connection at home working again, so I can listen to YouTube again, just can't watch videos, and it's still jumpy as all get out, so it won't be a real good exhibition (old computer), but I can start again.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 01.11.14 @ 00:14am


Philip - My comment was speaking more in general rather than pointing fingers specifically at you.

Also, a clarification or reminder, I grew up in and still live in Arizona, not exactly the hotbed of hip. I'm sure there may be parts of the country where Siouxsie & the Banshees were seen as a novelty act, but I've never been to one of them. They were important pioneers in the London punk scene and a major cornerstone of 80s and early 90s Alternative/College Rock even here on the west side of the pond. Siouxsie Sioux is also an icon of her era and constantly cited as an important influence by female singers who came after her.

Those would be some of the main reasons that they drew the support that they did. This is honestly the first time I've ever heard them described as a novelty. Odd.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 01.11.14 @ 00:39am


This month's genre for discussion is Traditional R&B/Soul/Funk/Motown/Contemporary R&B.

Here are some suggested artists (Please note that this is not a complete list and that there may be artists that have been accidentally included or that may not belong in this category in everyone's opinion. If there are any artists that have been overlooked, feel free to bring them up during the discussion. Also, reggae, dub and ska are in a different group that we will be coverting later.):

Aaliyah
Aaron Neville
Alicia Keys
Anita Baker
Arrested Development
Babyface
Bell Biv DeVoe
Ben E. King
Beyonce
Bill Withers
Billy Ocean
Billy Preston
Billy Ward & The Dominoes
Blood Sweat & Tears
Bobby "Blue" Bland
Bobby Brown
Bobby Womack
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
Bootsy Collins
Boyz II Men
Brandy
C+C Music Factory
Chaka Khan
Chubby Checker
D'Angelo
En Vogue
Erykah Badu
Fine Young Cannibals
Fugees
George Clinton
Gloria Estefan
John Legend
Jon Secada
Keith Sweat
LaBelle
Lionel Richie
Luther Vandross
Macy Gray
Mariah Carey
Mary J. Blige
Otis Rush
Patti LaBelle
Peabo Bryson
Peaches & Herb
Percy Sledge
PM Dawn
R. Kelly
Rick James
Rihanna
Roberta Flack
Ruben Studdard
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Sade
Seal
Seals and Crofts
Sean Paul
Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings
Soul II Soul
Starland Vocal Band
SWV
Tammi Terrell
Teddy Pendergrass
Terence Trent D'arby
The Average White Band
The Chiffons
The Chi-Lites
The Commodores
The Crystals
The Funk Brothers
The Meters
The Moonglows
The Neville Brothers
The Pointer Sisters
The Shangri-Las
The Time
Tina Turner
TLC
Toni Braxton
Usher

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 02.1.14 @ 18:01pm


We inducted Bland as an Influence, Womack as a Sideman, I think Bootsy as a Sideman too, and Preston as one as well. I think we put the Dominoes in as Influences too. Funk Brothers and Meters were Sideman inductees.


Alicia Keys
Ben E. King
Beyonce
Blood Sweat & Tears
Boyz II Men
Chaka Khan
Chubby Checker
Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine
LaBelle
Lionel Richie
Luther Vandross
Mariah Carey
Rick James
Rihanna
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Sade
Teddy Pendergrass
The Average White Band
The Chiffons
The Chi-Lites
The Commodores
The Crystals
The Moonglows
The Neville Brothers
The Pointer Sisters
The Shangri-Las
Tina Turner
TLC
Usher

Also should consider:
Jerry Butler
Brook Benton
The Stylistics
The Delfonics
The Manhattans
The Moments
The Dramatics
Destiny's Child
Charles Wright And The (whatever variant on the band name you want here)
Barry White
Junior Walker And The All-Stars
Harold Melvin And The Blue Notes

I feel like I'm forgetting a bunch of names. Hopefully, someone else will list some other names and jar my memory.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 02.1.14 @ 20:22pm


Philip - "We inducted Bland..."

Yes, but not as performers, which is why they're listed here.

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 02.1.14 @ 21:38pm


Then I'd really like to put Bland, Preston, Womack, and the Dominoes as Performers. The Meters I could take or leave in this regard. Bootsy and Funk Brother can stay Sideman inductees.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 02.1.14 @ 21:48pm


We've already inducted Barry White.

Of list I would support..

Rufus & Chaka Khan
Bobby Blue Bland
Billy Preston
Bobby Womack
The Dominoes
Alica Keys
Beyonce
Aaliyah
Aaron Neville
Chubby Checker
Jerry Butler
The Neville Brothers
The Pointer Sisters
Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes
Teddy Pendergrass
Luther Vandross
Mariah Carey
Rick James
LaBelle
The Commodores
Brook Benton
Tina Turner
Sade
Usher
The Average White Band

And how about these....

Teena Marie
Minnie Riperton
The Ohio Players
The Casinos
Patti Austin
Phyllis Hyman
Natalie Cole
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Stephanie Mills
James Ingram
Colonel Abrams
Patrice Rushen
Peabo Bryson
Deniece Williams
Roberta Flack
R. Kelly
Jill Scott
Erika Badu
Indie Arie
Esther Phillips
Kool & The Gang

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 02.1.14 @ 22:21pm


I would definitely add Kool And The Gang to that list. I think we rightly inducted Screamin' Jay and Esther as influences.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 02.2.14 @ 01:02am


I've been voting for the Commodores consistently for the last few sessions, I've pushed for Mary J. Blige a few times in the past, and, if there's no consensus on a hip hop act to induct this year, R. Kelly will take the rap slot on my picks instead. So, those are three R&B artists I plan on supporting.

Other than that, here are some others I'd be willing to support down the line:

Beyonce (or Destiny's Child)
Chubby Checker
Rick James
New Edition (rather than splitting the vote between Bell Biv Devoe or any of their members' solo work)
Teddy Pendergrass
The Pointer Sisters
Rufus with Chaka Khan
TLC
Usher
Junior Walker & The All-Stars

Posted by Ian on Sunday, 02.2.14 @ 08:03am


I know we talked about them last month as well but I'm going to throw The Dells into the mix as well. There are only a few groups/artist who've been inducted into the actual Rock Hall but not the Projected Rock Hall. At the moment I think The Dells and The Moonglows are the most deserving to be inducted into our project.

Phillip- You were wondering about Bootsy Collins being inducted yet. It appears he isn't. As a performer I don't think I'd go for him but as a sideman hell yeah.

These are some of the artists I'd consider voting for in the next few years:

Alicia Keys
Arrested Development
Ben E. King
Beyonce
Bill Withers
Blood Sweat & Tears
Boyz II Men
Chubby Checker
Harold Melvin And The Blue Notes
Junior Walker And The All-Stars
Mariah Carey
Mary J. Blige
The Chiffons
The Chi-Lites
The Commodores
The Crystals
The Moonglows
The Neville Brothers
The Shangri-Las
The Stylistics
The Delfonics
The Manhattans
The Ohio Players
Kool & The Gang

My top ten in preference is as follows:
1. The Dells
2. The Moonglows
3. Bill Withers
4. Mary J. Blige
5. Kool & The Gang
6. The Commodores
7. The Shangri La's
8. Beyonce
9. The Chi-Lites
10. Alicia Keys

I always thought of Blood Sweat and Tears as Oldies/Classic Rock but with the horn section I guess they could count towards Funk

Posted by Tom H. on Sunday, 02.2.14 @ 12:51pm


I'd throw support behind:

The Dells
The Moonglows
Bill Withers
Ben E. King
Chubby Checker
The Fifth Dimension
The Shangri-La's
Kool And The Gang
The Commodores

I think Bland, Womack, Preston, Funk Bros., Meters, & the Dominoes are all fine where they are.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 02.6.14 @ 22:12pm


Not much talk around here this month. I thought I would at least chime in with my two cents (maybe worth only about a half cent in reality). Seems like we've done a pretty good job covering R&B/Soul. From Darren's list I can see good arguments for:

Beyonce
Bill Withers
Billy Preston
Lionel Richie
Mariah Carey
Rihanna
Seal
The Commodores
Tina Turner

None of those except Bill Withers are high on my list.

I can also see a case made for the solo work of Diana Ross

Also:
Johnny Mathis
Lenny Kravitz
R Kelly

In order I would go:

1. Bill Withers
2. Mariah Carey
3. Diana Ross
4. Johnny Mathis
5. Lenny Kravitz
6. R Kelly
7. Lionel Richie
8. Billy Preston
9. Rihanna
10. The Commodores

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 02.11.14 @ 13:48pm


Seeing Bill Withers' name pop up was one of those, "really, we haven't inducted him, yet?", moments for me. He just moved way up to the top of my list.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 02.11.14 @ 17:53pm


Seeing Bill Withers' name pop up was one of those, "really, we haven't inducted him, yet?", moments for me. He just moved way up to the top of my list.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 02.11.14 @ 17:53pm
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I second that. There are a bunch of R&B acts that I want to see get in but he is at the top of my ballot not only in this genre but in general.

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 02.13.14 @ 10:43am


Out of the names on Darren's master list, I would support, in order of preference:

Blood Sweat & Tears
Lionel Richie
TLC
Gloria Estefan
Bill Withers
Beyonce
Mariah Carey
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Boyz II Men
John Legend

Other I would possibly support:

Alicia Keys
Ben E. King
Chaka Khan
En Vogue
Luther Vandross
Macy Gray
Seal
Seals and Crofts
The Chi-Lites
The Commodores
The Meters
Tina Turner

One name I would add to consideration- someone whose work I just nominated for the R&B vote over on the Song Project- is Arthur Alexander, an important soul and R&B voice from the early 60s. He's the only person whose music was recorded professionally by The Beatles, The Stones, and Dylan.

Posted by PopeCharming on Friday, 02.14.14 @ 19:25pm


This month's genre to discuss is Country / Western / Singer-Songwriter / Folk / Country-Rock / Americana. It's a lot of sub-genres smashed together based around a common songwriting theme of storytelling.

Here are some artists for your consideration within this genre grouping:

Aimee Mann
Alabama
Alan Jackson
Alison Krauss
Amy Grant
Andrew Bird
Ani DiFranco
Arlo Guthrie
Bernie Taupin
Bert Jansch
Billy Bragg
Boz Scaggs
Brad Paisley
Bread
Bruce Hornsby and the Range
Buddy Rich
Carole King
Charlie Rich
Christopher Cross
Clay Walker
Conway Twitty
Dan Fogelberg
Daniel Johnston
Dashboard Confessional
David Gray
Debby Boone
Devendra Banhart
Dido
Dierks Bentley
Dixie Chicks
Dolly Parton
Don Henley
Don McLean
Dwight Yoakam
Eddie Rabbitt
Elliott Smith
Emmylou Harris
Engelbert Humperdinck
Fairport Convention
Faith Hill
Feist
Fiona Apple
Garth Brooks
George Jones
George Strait
Glen Campbell
Gordon Lightfoot
Graham Nash
Harry Belafonte
Indigo Girls
Iron & Wine
J.J. Cale
Jack Johnson
Jackie DeShannon
Jacques Brel
Janis Ian
Jason Mraz
Jeff Buckley
Jewel
Joan Baez
Joan Osbourne
John Denver
John Hiatt
John Mayer
John Prine
k.d. lang
Keith Urban
Kenny Chesney
Kenny Loggins
Kenny Rogers
Kimya Dawson
Kris Kristofferson
Laura Nyro
LeAnn Rimes
Leo Sayer
Lesley Gore
Linda Thompson
Little Big Town
Liz Phair
Loretta Lynn
Lucinda Williams
Lyle Lovett
Marianne Faithfull
Martha Wainwright
Melissa Etheridge
Merle Haggard
Michael McDonald
Michelle Branch
Miranda Lambert
Nancy Sinatra
Natalie Cole
Natalie Merchant
Nick Lowe
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
Norah Jones
Okkervil River
Pat Boone
Patsy Cline
Paula Cole
Perry Como
Pete Yorn
Phil Collins
Phil Ochs
Phosphorescent
Poco
Randy Travis
Rascal Flatts
Ray LaMontagne
Ray Stevens
Reba McEntire
Regina Spektor
Richard Marx
Richard Thompson
Rickie Lee Jones
Robert Cray
Rodriguez
Rory Gallagher
Rosanne Cash
Roy Acuff
Roy Rogers
Rufus Wainwright
Ry Cooder
Ryan Adams
Sara Bareilles
Sarah McLachlan
Sean Lennon
Serge Gainsbourg
Shania Twain
Shawn Mullins
Sheryl Crow
Sinead O'Connor
Sophie B. Hawkins
Steve Earle
Sufjan Stevens
Sugarland
Suzanne Vega
Tammy Wynette
Tanya Tucker
The Highwaymen
The Judds
The Oak Ridge Boys
Til Tuesday
Tim Buckley
Tim McGraw
Tori Amos
Tracy Chapman
Vanessa Carlton
Waylon Jennings
Willie Nelson
Zac Brown Band


As always, please note that these are just suggestions for your consideration. This isn't a complete list. There are probably artists that I've overlooked and there may be some artists that you feel don't belong within the genre. Feel free to point those artists out if you like (especially the artists that were unintentionally excluded).

Posted by Darren on Monday, 03.3.14 @ 22:47pm


I'd support:

Carole King
Dido
Don McLean
Jewel
Joan Baez
John Mayer
Laura Nyro
Leo Sayer
Lesley Gore
Pat Boone
Patsy Cline
Phil Collins
Sheryl Crow
Willie Nelson

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 03.4.14 @ 15:28pm


I could support these among those you listed:

Bruce Hornsby and the Range
Carole King
Dan Fogelberg
Fairport Convention
Harry Belafonte
Indigo Girls
Joan Baez
Lesley Gore
Melissa Etheridge
Phil Collins
Poco
Rufus Wainwright
Ryan Adams
Sara Bareilles
Sarah McLachlan
Shania Twain
Sheryl Crow
Sufjan Stevens
Tracy Chapman
Willie Nelson

In fact, two of these, the Indigo Girls and Dan Fogelberg, will probably be on my ballot in the end. You could make a case that Fogelberg is perhaps the best storyteller in the rock and roll milieu, and as adept at writing rockers as he is the more well-known ballads. "Run for the Roses", "Same Old Lang Syne", "Leader of the Band"all these show that Fogelberg was writing at a higher level than many of his contemporaries. The Indigo Girls, meanwhile, wrote strong, reflective songs with a conscientious and introspective edge. We don't have too many strong female singer-songwriters from their era in yet, and this is something we may want to correct.

Could I add America to the list of contenders as well? They have 3 strong songwriters in one group, and it is hard to think of many groups that got as much radio play as they did in the 1970s who aren't in the Projected Rock Hall yet. "Sister Golden Hair", "A Horse with No Name", "Tin Man", "Don't Cross the River", and "The Sandman" stood out even in a golden age of early 70s rock and pop.

Posted by PopeCharming on Tuesday, 03.4.14 @ 20:00pm


I'd say that I would throw support behind:

Bread
Carole King
Dan Fogelberg
Don McLean
Gordon Lightfoot
John Denver
Lesley Gore
Phil Collins
Ray Stevens
Regina Spektor

Some of the artists we have listed - Emmylou Harris, Willie Nelson, Glen Campbell, Laura Nyro, Patsy Cline, Dolly Parton, among others - have been inducted in categories.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 03.10.14 @ 14:14pm


I have a hard time getting excited about country in our Hall. BUT Willie Nelson could easily have a place here. Garth Brooks is an interesting argument, but as far as I'm concerned, it stops there for country.

Singer/Songwriter however is a much different case.

I think America is a great suggestion.

He's been brought up every month, so why not another one: Bill Withers. It's not really a stretch to say he is a singer/songwriter.

How can we talk about singer songwriters without the man who writes the songs that make the whole world sing? Even if Barry Manilow didn't actually write that particular song, he deserves at least a look for the Hall. Not a strong case admittedly, but a case.

Others:
Johnny Rivers (while he did write some songs, I believe most of his hits were written by others.)
Steve Winwood

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 03.11.14 @ 15:02pm


What a wierd variety of suggested artists. Some of the artists from Darren's list are already in as Influences and Sidemen and I think they are fine there. None of these artists are really on my radar this time around but here are some that might be on my rader in a few years:

Alabama
Brad Paisley
Buddy Rich
Carole King
Conway Twitty
Engelbert Humperdinck
Fairport Convention
Garth Brooks
George Strait
Gordon Lightfoot
Harry Belafonte
Jason Mraz
Joan Baez
John Denver
John Mayer
Kenny Chesney
Kenny Rogers
Lesley Gore
Liz Phair
Loretta Lynn
Norah Jones
Perry Como
Phil Collins
Roy Rogers
Ryan Adams
The Oak Ridge Boys

I would also throw The Flying Burrito Brothers into the conversation but like I said for me the likelihood of voting for any of these artists this year is very slim.

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 03.13.14 @ 18:01pm


Anything for this month?

Posted by Philip on Monday, 04.7.14 @ 02:12am


I was wondering about that too. We still have metal, punk, electronic, hip hop, and new wave to cover.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 04.9.14 @ 16:28pm


Sorry about that. I'll post this month's genre group shortly.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 04.11.14 @ 00:49am


This month's genre to discuss is Pop-Rock/Soft Rock/Contemporary Pop.

Here are some artists for your consideration within this genre grouping:

3 Doors Down
Ace of Base
Amy Winehouse
Annie Lennox
Avril Lavigne
Backstreet Boys
Barbra Streisand
Barenaked Ladies
Barry Manilow
Bette Midler
Black Eyed Peas
Blink-182
Blues Traveler
Bonnie Tyler
Boy George
Britney Spears
Carly Simon
Cee-Lo Green
Celine Dion
Cher
Chris Isaak
Christina Aguilera
Culture Club
Cyndi Lauper
David Cassidy
Dean Martin
Debbie Gibson
Destiny's Child
Diana Ross
Dido
Dionne Warwick
Fall Out Boy
Finger Eleven
Frank Sinatra
Frankie Avalon
Frankie Goes to Hollywood
Frankie Valli
Gary Wright
George Michael
Goo Goo Dolls
Good Charlotte
Gwen Stefani
Hanson
Harry Connick Jr.
Helen Reddy
Hootie & The Blowfish
Huey Lewis and The News
Jennifer Lopez
Jessica Simpson
Jesus Jones
Judy Garland
Julio Iglesias
Justin Timberlake
Keane
Kelly Clarkson
Kylie Minogue
Lifehouse
Loggins & Messina
Maroon 5
Matchbox Twenty
Men at Work
Menudo
Michael Bolton
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Neil Sedaka
Nelly Furtado
Neneh Cherry
New Edition
New Kids On The Block
N'Sync
O.A.R.
Olivia Newton-John
Paula Abdul
Pink
Rick Astley
Rick Springfield
Ricky Martin
Rob Thomas
Robbie Williams
Robert Palmer
Robin Thicke
Robyn
Roxette
Sammy Davis, Jr.
Sarah Vaughan
Savage Garden
Selena
Semisonic
Sha Na Na
Shakira
Shawn Cassidy
Sheena Easton
Sheila E.
Shirley Bassey
Smash Mouth
Snap!
Sonny & Cher
Spice Girls
Spin Doctors
Sugar Ray
t.A.T.u.
Taylor Dayne
The 5th Dimension
The Archies
The Bangles
The Cowsills
The Fray
The Gap Band
The Osmonds
The Partridge Family
The Proclaimers
The Rembrandts
The Romantics
The Waitresses
Third Eye Blind
Tiffany
Tommy Tutone
Toni Basil
Tony Bennett
Tony Orlando and Dawn
Train
Vertical Horizon
Vicki Sue Robinson
Wang Chung
Was (Not Was)
Wayne Newton
Wham!
White Lion
Wilson Phillips

As always, please note that these are just suggestions for your consideration. This isn't a complete list. There are probably artists that I've overlooked and there may be some artists that you feel don't belong within the genre. Feel free to point those artists out if you like (especially the artists that were unintentionally excluded).

Posted by Darren on Friday, 04.11.14 @ 00:54am


Black Eyed Peas
Cher
Destiny's Child
Huey Lewis and The News
Matchbox Twenty
Neil Sedaka
Pink
Sonny & Cher
The 5th Dimension
The Gap Band
The Osmonds

Cee Lo hasn't done enough yet on his own, yet, imo. I'm border on Sugar Ray, Train, and Robert Palmer. Rick Springield..eh, we'll see. I love the Proclaimers, but don't think they have a shot. Frankie Valli is a good solo artist, I think his disco stuff was a lot better than what was popular, but you've got to be hardcore into him to know that.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 04.11.14 @ 20:43pm


There aren't too many in this group I'd support- all these guys are pretty far down on my list, except maybe Hootie and Barry Manilow. (I worked at the phone company back in 2003 when I was in college, and almost all of my co-workers were 45-year-old women named Debbie who loved Barry Manilow. They wore me down and I agreed to go to a concert of his with them, and I was suitably impressed.)

Barenaked Ladies
Barry Manilow
Blink-182
Dionne Warwick
Goo Goo Dolls
Hootie & The Blowfish
Huey Lewis and The News
Loggins & Messina
Maroon 5
Matchbox Twenty
The 5th Dimension
Third Eye Blind
Tony Bennett
Tony Orlando and Dawn

Posted by PopeCharming on Friday, 04.11.14 @ 21:30pm


Although Blink-182 get a lot of flack, I can't help but notice their influence within pop-punk music of today as well as their popularity among young musicians (and non-musicians). I deem them worthy.

Out of the posted list, I'd support:
Blink-182
Goo Goo Dolls
Huey Lewis & The News
Neil Sedaka
Sonny & Cher
The 5th Dimension

I've already mentioned the latter three under other categories, so really not too many from this genre I would pick. Bread might be another soft rock choice that could garner up some attention.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 04.12.14 @ 02:43am


I'd actually support votes for a bigger chunk of these artists than I initially thought. George Michael's been on my ballot for the last few go-arounds; but I'm considering dropping him this year in order to vote for Justin Timberlake, just to see where that goes.

Others I'd be willing to stump for, given the right push:

The Bangles
The 5th Dimension
Chris Isaak
Cyndi Lauper
Huey Lewis and The News
Kenny Loggins/Loggins & Messina
Kylie Minogue
George Michael/Wham!
Robert Palmer
Pink!
Diana Ross
Shakira
Carly Simon
Sonny & Cher
Rick Springfield
Dionne Warwick
Robbie Williams

A few other acts, like Destiny's Child and New Edition, I've previously lumped under R&B because of their members' later work. I'd be willing to also push Toni Basil, but only as a Non-Performer for her choreography work (Mickey's a great song and all, but I can't think of another one she ever did).

Posted by Ian on Saturday, 04.12.14 @ 08:27am


An interesting category, as it is not the first artists you think of in regards to the Rock Hall, but some long and productive careers here.

Of Darren's list I support:
Barry Manilow
Cyndi Lauper
Diana Ross
Huey Lewis and The News

Not very many obviously, and none that are at the top of the list either. Huey Lewis is near the top of my list though. Some others which may or may not fit the category:

Mariah Carey
REO Speedwagon
Sting
Johnny Mathis
Lionel Richie

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 04.15.14 @ 14:04pm


I'm a fan of a lot of the mid 90's pop-rock groups but I agree that there are some who deserve consideration more than others. Here are some of the artists that I'd like to see get consideration in the next few years (including some in the influence category).

3 Doors Down
Amy Winehouse
Barbra Streisand (would consider as an influence)
Barenaked Ladies
Black Eyed Peas
Blues Traveler
Britney Spears
Dean Martin ( thought he was already in as an influence)
Destiny's Child
Dionne Warwick
Frank Sinatra (already in as an influence)
Frankie Avalon
Frankie Valli (already in with the Four Seasons)
Goo Goo Dolls
Harry Connick Jr.
Hootie & The Blowfish
Huey Lewis and The News
Judy Garland
Julio Iglesias
Justin Timberlake
Maroon 5
Matchbox Twenty
Neil Sedaka (he's not in yet?!)
Pink
Sammy Davis, Jr.
Sarah Vaughan (would consider an influence)
Shirley Bassey
Sonny & Cher
The 5th Dimension
The Bangles
Third Eye Blind
Tony Bennett
Train

I'll throw Dave Matthews Band and Gin Blossoms into the mix in this category to.

My top three:
Dionne Warwick
Hootie and the Blowfish
Dave Matthews Band
Gin Blossoms

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 04.15.14 @ 16:41pm


Hello fellow posters!

I must apologize that I have been away from the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project part of the website longer than I should be. Thankfully, tax season is over so I may be able to devote more energy to projecting our next election cycle for our Crown Jewel. What I will be doing involves going over the past few genre discussions over the last 4 months or so, and present whom I think is worthy of induction. Obviously, this will not be done tonight or even in one full night. Yet, I think many of you fellow posters want to hear my opinions and preferences on who may go in by October .

I shall be back shortly,

Lax31

Posted by Lax31 on Thursday, 04.17.14 @ 22:55pm


Hello all!

I do apologize for having shortly effectively mean today. I have been quite busy with other commitments. None the less, I have made some preliminary decisions on artists we should likely consider for our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2030. I would like to start with what was discussed in January; early rock and roll dating from the early 1950s through the late 1960s. From those mentioned in past postings, here is whom I would support and/or at the very least consider worthy of further discussion.

Cliff Richard & the Shadows
Joseph Hazziez (Joe Tex)
Johnny Mathis
Paul Anka
Peggy Lee
The Big Bopper
Tom Jones
Petula Clark
Dionne Warwick
Freddy Cannon
Lesley Gore
Chubby Checker
Pat Boone
Lou Rawls
Ringo Starr
Ben E. King
Bill Withers
Neil Sedaka
Cher

One other person I think we should consider is Ronnie Hawkins. I add Hawkins considering he was one of the more successful blues and skiffle-influenced performers to arrive in the early 1960s. There was an edgy undercurrent to Hawkins' songs which I doubt was ever duplicated by others during his height. And, yes, The Band started effectively with some of its members backing Ronnie Hawkins.

Another highly left-field candidate is the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band. Consisting of numerous band members led by Vivian Stanshall and Neil Innes, this band held a unique bending of rock, comedy, theatrics, concert hall, and understated British humor that became the blueprint for later endeavors of bringing humor to popular music.

Well, this is my preliminary listing of whom I would consider supporting. Mind you, this is not my ballot. In fact, not every one of these artists might even be on my shortlist. None the less, I am willing to discuss the merits of these artists with fellow posters.

I will not take long to post the next preliminary list,

Lax31

Posted by Lax31 on Monday, 04.28.14 @ 18:17pm


This month's genre is the combination genre of Dance/Electronic/Disco/Reggae/Ska/Dub/World Music.

Here are some prominent, eligible artists that I think fit within this genre:

Air
Animal Collective
Aphex Twin
Basement Jaxx
Brian Eno
Burning Spear
Cameo
Crystal Method
Danger Mouse
Desmond Dekker
DJ Shadow
Enigma
Enya
Fatboy Slim
Fela
Gary Numan / Tubeway Army
Girl Talk
Gloria Gaynor
Happy Mondays
Hot Chip
Justice
KC & the Sunshine Band
Kool & the Gang
LCD Soundsystem
Mark Ronson
Matisyahu
Michael Franti
Mike Oldfield
Moby
Neu!
Orbital
Paul Oakenfold
Peter Tosh
Scissor Sisters
Sigur Rs
Sister Sledge
Snow
The Chemical Brothers
The Orb
The Prodigy
The Trammps
The Village People
The Weather Girls
Thelma Houston
Toots & the Maytals
Tricky
VNV Nation
Wild Cherry
Yello

As always, this is not an official list. If any artists are missing or if you feel that any artists don't belong in this genre, please feel free to bring your concerns to the attention of the board.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 05.2.14 @ 01:49am


Not a lot that I would support immediately (not my area of expertise) but these acts would be on my outer radar:

Brian Eno
Crystal Method
Danger Mouse
Enya
Fatboy Slim
KC & the Sunshine Band
Kool & the Gang
LCD Soundsystem
Mike Oldfield
Moby
Paul Oakenfold
Peter Tosh
The Chemical Brothers
Toots & the Maytals

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 05.2.14 @ 13:43pm


From this group, these artists rate between high priority and likely to make my ballot sooner than later:

Aphex Twin
Brian Eno
Danger Mouse
Desmond Dekker
Fatboy Slim
Fela
Gary Numan / Tubeway Army
Happy Mondays
Kool & the Gang
LCD Soundsystem
Mike Oldfield
Moby
Neu!
Orbital
Paul Oakenfold
Peter Tosh
Sigur Rs
The Chemical Brothers
The Orb
The Prodigy
Toots & the Maytals
Tricky

I really do think we've gotten backed up on electronic acts, especially for where we're at in the timeline, so some of these like Aphex Twin, the Chemical Brothers, LCD Soundsystem, Brian Eno(performer), the Orb, Orbital and Neu! would be very high priorities for me.

I'd also have to put Desmond Dekker, Toots & the Mytals and Fela as high priorities in "world music" along with Serge Gainsbourg, Os Mutantes, Gilberto Gil and Ali Farka Toure.







Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 05.2.14 @ 15:37pm


I could get behind:

Animal Collective
Brian Eno
Aphex Twin
The Chemical Brothers
LCD Soundsystem
The Orb
Orbital
Neu!
The Prodigy
Desmond Dekker
Toots & the Maytals
Peter Tosh
Kool & The Gang
Moby
Hot Chip
Gary Numan/Tubeway Army
Sigur Rs
Tricky

I'll add these on for further discussion this month:

The Ohio Players
Cherrone
Giorgio Moroder (performer)
S.O.S Band
The Average White Band

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 05.2.14 @ 18:09pm


From the list:

Basement Jaxx
Brian Eno
Fatboy Slim
Fela Kuti
Kool & the Gang
Moby
Peter Tosh
The Chemical Brothers

Add on to the list:
Rufus
Chaka Khan (solo)
The GAP Band
Grace Jones
Johnny Hallyday
Jody Watley
Shalamar
Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine

We may have gotten to some of these in already. I don't like jumping back and forth between the top and bottom of the page here.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.2.14 @ 23:33pm


We've inducted Fela Kuti under Influences, which I think is fitting.

I'd support:
Brian Eno - yes, he's in as a non-performer, but as a principal innovator of ambient music as a whole, it might be worth it to induct him as a performer too.

Fatboy Slim
Animal Collective
The Chemical Brothers
The Orb
The Prodigy
The Crystal Method
Girl Talk
Moby
Neu!
Aphex Twin
Orbital
KC and the Sunshine Band
Kool and the Gang
Toots and the Maytals
Mike Oldfield
Gary Numan (with the other Tubeway Army musicians perhaps going in as sidemen?)

Not on the list:
Popul Vuh (electronic music pioneers)
Juan Atkins (the originator of Techno music)
Frankie Knuckles (godfather of house music)
Pet Shop Boys (Does synthpop fit in?)

Enya and Basement Jaxx are maybes. Danger Mouse I don't know where to fit him in, whether as a performer, non-performer (for his producing efforts), etc.

That's more than I thought originally, so we are in fact lacking on this genre (although this month was a combined group.)

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 05.4.14 @ 17:04pm


"We've inducted Fela Kuti under Influences, which I think is fitting."

True. That slipped my mind.

"Brian Eno - yes, he's in as a non-performer, but as a principal innovator of ambient music as a whole, it might be worth it to induct him as a performer too."

I've always been a strong supporter of this idea. I've gotten into arguments over this before, but I still think that NP alone sells him short.

"Popol Vuh (electronic music pioneers)"

They'd be a lock for my ballot if there was a reasonable push.


Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 05.4.14 @ 17:17pm


"I've always been a strong supporter of this idea. I've gotten into arguments over this before, but I still think that NP alone sells him short."

Yes, I think you're absolutely right. At the time, I was just happy that he was finally inducted in some capacity, so I let it be and moved on.

"They'd be a lock for my ballot if there was a reasonable push."

Agreed, although are they so far removed from "rock" that they may fit better under the "influences" category? I'm not sure, personally. We've really fit a lot of different genres into rock and roll, but since we've made our influences category inclusive to artists existing during and after the rock era, where do we draw the line?

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 05.6.14 @ 10:31am


A category with some work to do for sure. I would throw definite support behind:

Aphex Twin
Fatboy Slim
LCD Soundsystem
Moby
The Chemical Brothers

And if Pet Shop Boys fit this category, then I would strongly support them as well.

LCD Soundsystem and The Chemical Brothers both came very close last year and would seem to be ready to enter at any time. I will likely vote for both this year.

A case could be made for Tricky as well, but with Massive Attack already in is less urgent (yes, Tricky's involvement with Massive Attack is limited).

Anyway, a category that should add some new Hall of Famers in the near future.

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 05.6.14 @ 15:26pm


"Agreed, although are they so far removed from "rock" that they may fit better under the "influences" category? I'm not sure, personally. We've really fit a lot of different genres into rock and roll, but since we've made our influences category inclusive to artists existing during and after the rock era, where do we draw the line?"

I agree that there may be some merit to considering Popol Vuh for "Influence". While they're generally lumped into Krautrock, they're more specifically viewed as "proto-Ambient". They definitely had an influence on other avenues of electronic music and experimental/avant garde rock, but didn't really "rock" much themselves, per se.

So, is Ambient "Rock" for our purposes or is it an outside genre of influence? I see it as a genre that draws from elements of the RnR chain of influences to a small degree, but more directly from 20th century classical and avant garde composers and proto-electronic experimentors.

I think that it briefly came up once in regards to Eno, but Eno, aside from his well known Ambient work, has numerous acclaimed Rock and non Ambient electronic records.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 05.6.14 @ 16:58pm


To add a tangent to that, some other avant garde/experimental/neo-classical influences that I've been thinking about are John Cage (continuing his respectable showing last year), Iannis Xenakis (who I believe Lax expressed support for a couple months ago), Philip Glass and possibly Michael Nyman.

And, as always, I'm open to other suggestions in the area.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 05.6.14 @ 17:05pm


Aren't Madness and Mighty Mighty Bosstones ska bands? Madness would be an act I'd vote for if eligible.

From the initial list, I can get behind:

Animal Collective
Aphex Twin
Basement Jaxx
Brian Eno
Crystal Method
Danger Mouse
Desmond Dekker
DJ Shadow
Enya
Fatboy Slim
Gary Numan / Tubeway Army
KC & the Sunshine Band
Kool & the Gang
LCD Soundsystem
Moby
Neu!
Orbital
Peter Tosh
Scissor Sisters
Sigur Rs
The Chemical Brothers
The Orb
The Prodigy
The Trammps
Toots & the Maytals

From other posts:

The Average White Band
Chaka Khan (solo)
Frankie Knuckles
The GAP Band
Giorgio Moroder (performer)
Gloria Estefan/Miami Sound Machine
Grace Jones
Johnny Hallyday
The Ohio Players
Pet Shop Boys
Rufus
Serge Gainsbourg
Shalamar
S.O.S Band

Posted by SotN on Wednesday, 05.7.14 @ 05:15am


Forgot from the previous post: not sure if Ska Punk counts, but if it does, Sublime has my support.

Posted by SotN on Wednesday, 05.7.14 @ 07:58am


"To add a tangent to that, some other avant garde/experimental/neo-classical influences that I've been thinking about are John Cage (continuing his respectable showing last year), Iannis Xenakis (who I believe Lax expressed support for a couple months ago), Philip Glass and possibly Michael Nyman."

I think they're all definitely worth looking into, at least. A ways back, I was even into the notion of having the likes of Mozart, Beethoven, & Bach as names for the Influence category, due to their massive influence on pretty much ALL of music.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 05.16.14 @ 12:51pm


I have yet to participate much over here, so here is my current giant list, in order!

Performers

Lou Reed
Brian Eno
Neu!
LCD Soundsystem
The Shangri Las
The Crystals
The Commodores/Lionel Richie
Toots & the Maytals
Pat Benatar
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
Sweet
Gary Numan / Tubeway Army
Dave Matthews Band
Ben E. King
Peter Tosh
The Sonics
Carole King
Bill Withers
Chubby Checker
The Small Faces
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Steve Winwood/The Spencer Davis Group
Justin Timberlake
The Chemical Brothers
Tori Amos
Phish
Kool & The Gang
TLC
The Moonglows
Cliff Richard & the Shadows
Sigur Rs
The Guess Who
Desmond Dekker
Foreigner
Sting
Beyonc
Moby
John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers
Fiona Apple
The Association
Aphex Twin
Amy Winehouse
Elliott Smith
George Michael
Paul Anka
Badfinger
Tangerine Dream
Mary J. Blige
Ringo Starr
The Dells
Dr. John
Boston
Fatboy Slim
Mountain
Sonny & Cher
Happy Mondays
Liz Phair
R. Kelly
The Prodigy
Animal Collective
Cyndi Lauper
Bobby Womack
Paul Revere & the Raiders
The Tokens
Little Feat
Billy Idol
George Thorogood
Dionne Warwick
Sheryl Crow
Mike Oldfield
Blood Sweat & Tears
Alicia Keys
Mott the Hoople
Blue yster Cult


Non-Performers

Butch Vig
Alexis Korner
Norman Petty
Bob Crewe
Thom Bell
Felice and Boudreaux Bryant
Bob Ezrin
Danger Mouse
Joe Meek
Phil Ramone
Neil Bogart
Jimmie Iovine
Arif Mardin
Frankie Knuckles
Vivian Carter, James Bracken and Calvin Carter
Andy Warhol
Fab Five Freddy
Luther Dixon
Hipgnosis
Hugh Padgham
Bill Bottrell
John Kosh

Influences

John Cage
Conway Twitty
Sarah Vaughn
Steve Earle
Roy Acuff
Gene Autry
The Last Poets
The Louvin Brothers
Buddy Rich
Kris Kristofferson
Peggy Lee
Phil Ochs
Fats Waller
Sun Ra
Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup
Loretta Lynn
The Four Aces

Sidemen

Panama Francis
Tackhead
Dick Parry
Carlos Alomar
Tammi Terrell
Merry Clayton
Rick Derringer
Mike Garson
Bobby Gregg
Tommy Cogbill
Gail Ann Dorsey
Cornell Dupree

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 05.29.14 @ 11:03am


I'm gonna get back on the Cam-Park wagon and push for Sideman candidates the Applejacks (the house band) and the Dreamlovers (house back-up singers), and maybe even Kal Mann (co-founder and main songwriter) for Non-Performer

Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.30.14 @ 00:06am


Go-Gos
Chubby Checker
Joan Jett
Duran Duran
Devo
Depeche Mode
Cheap Trick
Journey

Posted by CD on Sunday, 06.1.14 @ 19:13pm


This month's genre is the combination genre of Hard Rock / Heavy Metal.

Here are some prominent, eligible artists that I think fit within this genre:

A Perfect Circle
Anthrax
Asia
Blue Cheer
Blue yster Cult
Buckcherry
Chevelle
Cinderella
Danzig
Deftones
Dio
Disturbed
Dokken
Dream Theater
Drowning Pool
Europe
Filter
Fuel
Godsmack
Great White
Joe Satriani
Kittie
Korn
Lita Ford
Loverboy
Marilyn Manson
Mastodon
Mercyful Fate
Meshuggah
Ministry
Mudvayne
Napalm Death
Nightwish
Poison
Porcupine Tree
Queensrche
Quiet Riot
Rainbow
Rammstein
Ratt
Rob Zombie
Scorpions
Sepultura
Sevendust
Shinedown
Skid Row
Skinny Puppy
Slade
Slaughter
Slipknot
Spinal Tap
Staind
Steve Vai
Stryper
System of a Down
Tenacious D
Tesla
The Darkness
The Datsuns
The Dillinger Escape Plan
The Dream Syndicate
The Mars Volta
The Used
Theory of a Deadman
Throbbing Gristle
Tortoise
Twisted Sister
Type O Negative
UFO
W.A.S.P.
Warrant
White Zombie
Whitesnake
Winger
Within Temptation
Wolfmother
Yngwie Malmsteen
Zakk Wylde

As always, this is not an official list. If any artists are missing or if you feel that any artists don't belong in this genre, please feel free to bring your concerns to the attention of the board.

The remaining months genres will be:

July - Hip-Hop / Rap
August - Proto-Punk / Art Rock / Punk / New Wave (60s-80s)
September - College Rock / Alternative / Indie (80s-Present)

And of course, we'll have plenty of discussion as the release of the actual nominations approaches.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 06.2.14 @ 01:39am


I'm not too familiar with many of the artists listed above and my metal queue's shrunken a bit since Osbourne's induction last ceremony.

Here's who I feel as definites:

Anthrax - the last of the "Big 4" of Thrash with Metallica, Slayer, & Megadeth.

Blue yster Cult - I had them listed with classic rock, but they've been highly influential in a lot of genres.

Dio - Ronnie James Dio's one of the most iconic voices of heavy metal, with a lot of his legacy due to his work in Dio. If he's not included with Sabbath, then this is the way to go.

System of a Down - Unique sound and one of the more iconic metal bands of the late 90s-00s.

Maybes:
Rob Zombie/White Zombie
Korn - the very first "nu metal" band
Black Label Society (Zakk Wylde)
UFO - bridged the gap between early heavy metal & NWOBHM

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 06.2.14 @ 13:51pm


Anthrax
Dio
System Of A Down
White Zombie

Posted by Philip on Monday, 06.2.14 @ 20:30pm


I agree with Anthrax as the most deserving of the genre currently.

The other one from Darren's list that I feel like should get serious consideration would be:

Slade.

Much bigger in England, they have a vast and deep songbook that may peak with the original "Cum On Feel the Noize", but goes well beyond that.

There's nobody else really on my queue at the moment, but I could see good arguments for:

Dio
Korn
Marilyn Manson
Queensrche
Rainbow
Scorpions
Spinal Tap
UFO

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 06.3.14 @ 14:32pm


Here is who I could support:

Anthrax
Dio
Korn
Marilyn Manson
Mastodon
Rob Zombie/White Zombie
Scorpions
System of a Down

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 06.3.14 @ 15:16pm


Not a high number of artists from this genre on my radar this year but these artists stand the best chance in the next few years:

Anthrax
Blue yster Cult
Dio
Dream Theater
Godsmack (not as high on my priority list as the first four)
Korn
Lita Ford
Marilyn Manson
Porcupine Tree
Rainbow (maybe combine with Dio?)
Rammstein
Rob Zombie/ White Zombie
Scorpions
Spinal Tap
System of a Down (my top priority)
Tenacious D

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 06.10.14 @ 11:46am


RIP Casey Kasem!

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 06.15.14 @ 12:37pm


My local affiliate KOLA 99.9 FM out of Redlands, California, played 1979's "Pilot of the Airwaves" by Charlie Dore interspersed with various Casey Kasem clips after their rebroadcast of today's countdown from June 14th, 1975 at 10 AM PDT sharp, may he rest in peace... :'-(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGKrgJZhpzk

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 06.15.14 @ 14:18pm


There's a good chance that I could support a Casey Kasem induction as a non-performer.

We have time blocked out to talk about different genres of artists, but not for the other categories. Frankly, more than any single artist, I will probably spend most of my political capital pushing Tom Lehrer as an Influence, and the Section as Side-Men.

Any interest? Tom Lehrer was a pivotal figure in establishing satire against staid 50s culture, and using wry observation and irony to make a point about society. As a Math professor at Harvard, I know he doesn't fit the usual jazz/country/r&b pedigree of most of our influences. But he was was one of the first people to use popular music to, say, decry Jim Crow, warn about nuclear proliferation, and riff on current events. He was the sort of dark genius who, in an age where "The Old Lamp Lighter" was a major hit, turn around and write something like "The Old Dope Peddler" and skewer the rosy view of 50s life that prevailed in popular culture. Weird Al has cited him as a major influence, 2 Chainz recently sampled him, and its not difficult to see how his work led to satirical pieces like "Privatize the Air" or Warren Zevon's devilishly dark and misanthropic piano songs.

As for The Section- they were the backing group, at some point or other, for virtually every major soft rock outfit in the 70s. The problem is that soft rock isn't very popular here, and lots of people think it is easy to play. (I assure you it isn't.) So- how about a Sideman nomination for Leland Sklar, Craige Doerge, Russ Kunkel, and Danny Kortchmar? Some or all have played on albums by: Phil Collins, Linda Ronstadt, Carole King, James Taylor, various configurations of Crosby, Stills & Nash, Dan Fogelberg, Paul Williams, Hall & Oates, Donovan, Jackson Browne, and so on.

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 06.26.14 @ 12:55pm


We inducted Kasey Casem long ago.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 06.26.14 @ 14:58pm


PopeCharming, I would be inclined to vote for Tom Lehrer as an Influence. If I remember correctly, Tom Lehrer wrote and performed a song/spoken word piece accompanied by an acoustic guitar regarding the dangers and consequences Mutual Assured Destruction would have on the world; compounded with the then recent memories of the atomic bombs falling on two cities in Japan in 1945. I do not know if many of you fellow posters remember this song; indeed it has been years since I last heard it. I do remember the rhyming couplet at the end which was relevant then and still now:

And so my friends, here is my thesis
Peace in the world, or the world in pieces.

Now, in a short time from now, we will be voting for the next election cycle in our Crown Jewel, the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project.. Having taken a look at our preliminary lists, which I sadly have only contributed to one so far; I have been starting to narrow my potential performers on my ballot. Right now, these artists are on my shortlist for my final ballot and eventual induction.


Lou Reed
The Killers
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
Tangerine Dream
Ryuchi Sakamoto
Muse
Sheryl Crow
Phil Collins
Tears For Fears
Justin Timberlake
Dream Theater
Nas
Spinal Tap
Weather Report
Neu!
Mary J. Blige
Sarah McLachlan
Poco
10cc
Captain Beefheart
Bikini Kill
Dinosaur Jr.
Pet Shop Boys
Neil Finn
Pat Benatar
Keane
Modest Mouse

This is clearly a fluctuating list, and might change in the weeks and months ahead. Let me know what you fellow posters think of these potential inductees by the end of this year. Also, can any poster verify the Tom Lehrer song regarding the atom bomb? I have been trying to find a decent recording for years. Hopefully, I have not been a burden to all involved.

Rest In Peace Bobby Womack,

Lax31

Posted by Lax31 on Friday, 06.27.14 @ 21:51pm


I regret to say that it was Vern Partlow. Lehrer played piano, but songs he did in a similar vein were "We Will All Go Together When We Go" and "MLF Lullaby."

Posted by PopeCharming on Friday, 06.27.14 @ 23:18pm


Lax - I support most of your list to some degree. Lou Reed, Tangerine Dream, Neu!,Weather Report, Poco, Captain Beefheart, Dinosaur, Jr and Pet Shop Boys are the ones who most catch my attention.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 06.28.14 @ 01:47am


PopeCharming: You have my interest piqued with Tom Lehrer.

Lax: I'm going to second DarinRG's picks from your list here. Outside of those eight, the other three bigs from your list for me are Pat Benatar, Tears for Fears, and Modest Mouse.

Posted by SotN on Saturday, 06.28.14 @ 06:41am


That's a very fair and very ecumenical list, Lax31.

For myself, I will ~probably~ put Mariah Carey and Chemical Brothers on the top of the ballot. They both came close last year, and even though I wouldn't listen to either very much in my free time, I can't deny Carey's commercial success and amazing vocal gifts, nor the Chemical Brothers' influence and innovation in electronic music.

The other spots will most likely be filled by some combination of the following: America, Brian Eno, Bill Withers, Lesley Gore, The Gin Blossoms, Dionne Warwick, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Destinys Child, Carole King, the 5th Dimension, Huey Lewis & the News, Barry Manilow, Carly Simon, Blink-182, Phil Collins, Gordon Lightfoot, Dan Fogelberg, Sheryl Crow, Indigo Girls, Joan Baez, Lionel Richie, TLC, Beyonce or Destinys Child, Boyz II Men, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Jimmy Buffett, Gloria Estefan & the Miami Sound Machine, The Guess Who, Styx, Supertramp, Three Dog Night, Sting, Pat Benatar, Edgar Winter Group, De La Soul, Adele, Crowded House, They Might Be Giants, Carly Simon

But who gets my vote from this list may depend on how much support other voters are willing to lend when the time comes.

Posted by PopeCharming on Saturday, 06.28.14 @ 08:41am


Performers

Phil Collins
The Alan Parsons Project
Three Dog Night
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
The J. Geils Band
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Joe South
Ringo Starr
Helen Reddy
Olivia Newton-John
The Pointer Sisters
Huey Lewis & the News
Simply Red
Gordon Lightfoot
America
Toto
Fanny
Pat Benatar
Judy Collins
Carole King
John Denver
Grand Funk Railroad
Foreigner
Tears for Fears
Eddie Rabbitt
Jimmy Buffett

Non-Performers

John "Kosh"
Hipgnosis
Reinhold "Mack"
Bill Bottrell
Richard Avedon
Ira Robbins
Don Arden
Hugh Padgham
Phil Ramone
James William Guercio
Thom Bell
John Farrar
Paul Williams (ASCAP)
Gus Dudgeon
Richard Perry

Side-Men

SuMagNa (Susan Collins, Marge Raymond & Nancy O'Neill)
Ellie Greenwich
Patti Quatro
Brie Brandt
Addie Lee
Chester Thompson
Bob Babbitt

Influences

Andy Williams
Irving Berlin
Lena Horne
The Four Aces
Don Covay & the Goodtimers
Jerry Reed

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 06.28.14 @ 18:54pm


As mentioned before, I will be voting for Dionne Warwick & Lionel Richie/Commodores until they are inducted.

Other 5 votes are up in air, at this point.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 06.30.14 @ 14:30pm


Seeing as how some of my fellow posters have posted their preliminary lists for this election cycle here is mine as it stands

Performers:

Locks:

Three Dog Night
Dionne Warwick
Supertramp
The Guess Who

Probable:

Hootie & The Blowfish
Dave Matthews Band
Paul Revere & The Raiders
Foreigner
The Dells
Styx
The Shangri-Las
Weather Report

Maybe if enough support:

Carly Simon
Ringo Starr
The Gin Blossoms
Phil Collins
Blood Sweat & Tears
Mariah Carey
Captain Beefheart
Petula Clark
The Big Bopper
The Association
Lionel Richie/The Commodores
Kool & The Gang
Huey Lewis & The News
System Of A Down

Non-Performers

Doctor Demento
Andrew Loog Oldham
Hipgnosis
Don Kirshner

Influences:

Tom Lehrer
Andy Williams
Lena Horne
The Boston Pops Orchestra
Irving Berlin

Sidemen:
Rick Derringer (Lock)
TBD

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 07.2.14 @ 14:07pm


Forget to list Bill Withers under my locks for this year's election

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 07.2.14 @ 14:11pm


I won't finalize a list until we finish the next three months of artists by genre. (I believe this month is Hip Hop/Rap, and we still have August for Punk/New Wave/Proto-Punk/Art Rock and September for Alternative/Indie/College rock.

Keep your options open, friends!

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 07.4.14 @ 11:41am


Brian Eno is going to be my cause celebre this year. He's been inducted as a non-performer for his production work, which is well deserved, but the idea that Brian Eno hasn't been inducted as a performer for his own solo work and the influence that goes with it is embarrassing.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.5.14 @ 05:13am


I'm thinking Brian Eno, Captain Beefheart, Neu!, Lou Reed and Wilco are my early locks looking forward. I'm not going to lead the charge for any Post-punk acts this year, because I'm happy and grateful about how the last two classes played out in that regard. I'm all ears when it comes to filling out my last two spots (early R&B snubs or female acts whose credentials lean more heavily toward artistry than record sales, especially).

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.5.14 @ 21:19pm


"female acts whose credentials lean more heavily toward artistry than record sales, especially)."

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.5.14 @ 21:19pm


Liz Phair anyone?

Posted by jtrichey on Saturday, 07.5.14 @ 23:16pm


You have my attention, Mr. Richey.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.5.14 @ 23:33pm


I've been crazy busy lately and I haven't posted the monthly discussion on this board yet. When I get back from my trip tomorrow, I will do so. Sorry for the delay / inconvenience.

Also, one band that definitely deserves consideration for the Projected Hall Of Fame is Queens of the Stone Age. One of the best alt. rock / metal bands of the last two decades and long overdue for consideration in this project.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 07.7.14 @ 02:53am


I just remembered Gassman's idea for a write up for each inductee, I was hoping we could get this going again. In cases no one remembers here is the original post. We already have 4 done, one for Jerry Lee Lewis, Genesis, Public Enemy, and the Beastie Boys.







Also would anyone be interested in doing write ups for our inductees? We did this a couple years ago and it kinda fell apart. I think the main issue was the paragraph write up. What I am thinking we could do for a revemp write up would be:

1. Picture
2. Place of origin
3. Years active
4. Members inducted
5. Inductor
6. Induction Performer (Taking into account if they were alive when we inducted them and their relations with other band members or the Hall i.e. CCR, Sex Pistols, Guns N Roses)
7. Ceromny songs (3 that exemplfy the acts career)
8. An extreamly brief explanation for induction, like 2-5 sentences

Maybe FRL could then post our little write ups on the artist pace?

Thoughts?

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 15:15pm

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 07.9.14 @ 01:50am


Sorry for the delay in posting this.

This month's discussion is Hip Hop / Rap.

Here are some candidates:

50 Cent
A Tribe Called Quest
Arrested Development
Bell Biv DeVoe
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
Boogie Down Productions
Clipse
Common
Coolio
Cypress Hill
De La Soul
Dizzee Rascal
DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince
DJ Kool Herc
DMX
Dr. Dre
EPMD
Eve
Everlast
Gang Starr
Geto Boys
Ghostface Killah
Gil Scott-Heron
Heavy D. & The Boyz
Herbie Hancock
House of Pain
Ice Cube
Ice-T
Insane Clown Posse
Jurassic 5
Kool Moe Dee
Kurtis Blow
Lauryn Hill
Lee "Scratch" Perry
Lil Wayne
Ludacris
M.C. Hammer
M.I.A.
Method Man
Mos Def
N.E.R.D.
Nas
Naughty By Nature
Nelly
P Diddy (Puff Daddy)
Pitbull
Queen Latifah
Raekwon
Salt N Pepa
Schooly D
Sir Mix-a-Lot
Slick Rick
Snoop Dogg
Sugarhill Gang
T.I.
The Fat Boys
The KLF
The Last Poets
The Pharcyde
The Roots
The Streets
Three 6 Mafia
Timbaland
Tone Loc
UGK
Urban Dance Squad
Vanilla Ice
Will Smith
Will.i.am
Wyclef Jean
Young MC

As always, it's not a complete list and you may think that some artists don't belong on this list.

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 07.12.14 @ 20:28pm


Rap is hard for me to show support for... not because it's not part of rock and roll, but because so many artists haven't released any songs or had any big hits where they're the only artist of credit. It's always some "featuring," "with," or "introducing" or whatever that always has to credit something else.

Cypress Hill
De La Soul
DJ Kool Herc
Dr. Dre
Ice Cube
Ice-T
Lauryn Hill
Nelly
P Diddy (Puff Daddy)
Pitbull
The Roots
Timbaland
Wyclef Jean

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.13.14 @ 20:31pm


My top priorities in this category are:

A Tribe Called Quest
Nas
Boogie Down Productions
De La Soul

All of which are highly influential and innovative in hip hop.

DJ Kool Herc has already been inducted as a non-performer, as have Dr. Dre (whose also in with NWA) and Timbaland.

Ice Cube, Ice T, & the Sugarhill Gang are maybes for me.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 07.13.14 @ 21:23pm


Darren, After looking at your list, I can say that there are a few rappers that I would take off the list. Here are the artists:

Nelly
Puff Daddy
Vanilla Ice
Sir-Mix-A-Lot
Will.i.am.
Lil' Wayne
Ludacris
Pitbull
Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
M.C. Hammer
Timbaland
Insane Clown Posse
50 Cent

Posted by Andrew on Sunday, 07.13.14 @ 21:31pm


I think the last member of Fugees, Pras, counts as rap, but he has pretty much zero chance of getting in outside that group.

A Tribe Called Quest
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
Boogie Down Productions
Cypress Hill
De La Soul
DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince
DMX
Ghostface Killah
Gil Scott-Heron
Herbie Hancock
Ice Cube
Ice-T
Lauryn Hill
Lee "Scratch" Perry
Lil Wayne
Ludacris
Mos Def
Nas
Nelly
Pitbull
Salt N Pepa
Sir Mix-a-Lot
Snoop Dogg
Sugarhill Gang
T.I.
The Roots
Three 6 Mafia
Will.i.am
Wyclef Jean

Of these, the big five for me would be:

De La Soul
A Tribe Called Quest
Nas
Sugarhill Gang
Cypress Hill

(Special note: I think a part of the reason why Lil' Wayne would be hard for me to rank on that list is because he has fair claim as both a performer and a non-performer. Should I consider his performing career and his work as founder of Young Money together? Either way, he'd still be sixth.)

Posted by SotN on Sunday, 07.13.14 @ 22:01pm


This isn't really my genre, and I can't see myself voting for anyone in this category, but I'd certainly defend rap and hip-hop's place in the hall.

De La Soul are important hip hop pioneers, as are A Tribe Called Quest. Most of the others would be a tough sell for me. If they got to a tie-break round, I could support them.

Posted by PopeCharming on Sunday, 07.13.14 @ 23:01pm


I would only support:

De La Soul
A Tribe Called Quest
Sugarhill Gang
The Fugees
Nas
Cypress Hill
Boogie Down Productions
Salt N Peppa
MC Lyte
Queen Latifah

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 07.14.14 @ 00:28am


Also here's a name not listed, but someone whom I think is among the very best hip hop artists of all time and definitely worthy of consideration - Aesop Rock.

He was at the forefront of the new wave of underground and alternative hip hop movements of the late 1990s and early 2000s. His lyrics are also the most complex of Hip Hop and unmatched by any of his contemporaries. I recommend checking him out, specifically songs such as "Daylight/Nightlight" and "None Shall Pass".

Consider him on my top priorities list as well.

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 07.15.14 @ 11:12am


Not a lot of artists I would support (and no one I would support this year) but here are the top 8 I would consider going forward.

A Tribe Called Quest
Arrested Development
De La Soul
P Diddy (Puff Daddy) (I'd be fine with him as a non performer
Queen Latifah
Snoop Dogg
Sugarhill Gang
The Roots

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 07.17.14 @ 13:53pm


Here are the Hip Hop acts we have inducted:

Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
Run DMC
Beastie Boys
Public Enemy
N.W.A.
Afrika Bambaataa
Tupac
LL Cool J
The Notorious B.I.G.
Outkast
Jay-Z
Eric B. & Rakim
The Wu-Tang Clan

Of the lists of eligible above, I could vote for:

Queen Latifah
Ice Cube
A Tribe Called Quest
Sugarhill Gang
The Fugees
The Roots

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 07.17.14 @ 15:53pm


A Tribe Called Quest
Aesop Rock (great call Steve Z)
Boogie Down Productions
Cypress Hill
De La Soul
Ice Cube
Ice-T
Lauryn Hill
Mos Def
Nas
Queen Latifah
Snoop Dogg
Sugarhill Gang
The Roots
Wyclef Jean

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 07.17.14 @ 16:13pm


My Top Ten Hip Hop Acts to go after (in rough order):

Snoop Dogg
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
The Sugarhill Gang
The Fugees
Ice-T
Salt 'n' Pepa
Nas
The Roots
KRS-One/Boogie Down Productions

Posted by Ian on Sunday, 07.20.14 @ 11:08am


The rap that I would support would be few, but like others, I do believe it has a place in the Hall. From Darren's list:

DJ Kool Herc
P Diddy (Puff Daddy)
Snoop Dogg

I guess I would like a little more time on a few others to see how their careers continue:
Nas
Lil Wayne
50 Cent

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 07.22.14 @ 14:56pm


Off the month's topic, but where we're at on folk/singer songwriter, it probably wouldn't hurt anyone if I sent out feelers for Gordon Lightfoot or Loudon Wainwright III as future targets.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 07.23.14 @ 08:40am


I'm a supporter of Gordon Lightfoot, although I'd have to do more research about Wainwright.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 07.23.14 @ 10:42am


Sorry Darin, Loudon was just a little too minor, imo, and Lightfoot a little too awful for me to support. "Sundown" makes me wanna yack.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 07.23.14 @ 12:54pm


Aw, but Philip, we usually agree on so many things... Heartbreaking.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 07.23.14 @ 20:11pm


LOL I know. Think of it more as an impassioned plea: we already have Jim Croce, Todd Rundgren, Warren Zevon, Cat Stevens... can't we do without Gordon Lightfoot, please? If we need another folksy singer or singer/songwriter, can we go for Carly Simon or Don McLean instead? Surely they're more deserving than the anesthesia that is "The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald"?

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 07.23.14 @ 23:22pm


Philip - No worries, neither are in my top 50, it was just a whimsical curiosity to see if they had supporters.

*puts Philip down for a maybe*

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 07.24.14 @ 19:27pm


I miss when the active voting group around here talked and debated. The FRL that we all list, vote, list, yawn our way through wouldn't exist without the past passion. Now it's, he said something I didn't like a year and a half ago, I won't vote for his shit, I can't be bothered to expand my views, f-uck anyone not rooted in my pet genre. Let's pick it up gentlemen, this is getting boring.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 07.25.14 @ 05:27am


I'm down with Gordon Lightfoot. He's on the Canadian Signer-Songwriter Mount Rushmore with Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen.

In terms of hip-hop, A Tribe Called Question and possibly De La Soul will both be on my ballot next year. They should both be in by now.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 07.25.14 @ 10:15am


Off the month's topic, but where we're at on folk/singer songwriter, it probably wouldn't hurt anyone if I sent out feelers for Gordon Lightfoot or Loudon Wainwright III as future targets.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 07.23.14 @ 08:40am

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DarinRG-

Gordon Lightfoot is definitely a guilty pleasure of mine (though "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" does put me to sleep) and I'd like to see him go in eventually.

I agree though that for the time being he has to take a number and stand in line behind some of his fellow singer/songwriters like Carly Simon, Don McLean, or Carole King (sidenote: how the hell is Carole King not in yet as a performer).
At the moment for me personally there are too many of my favorites that still need to get in (Three Dog Night or Bill Withers anyone?) for me to even consider him right now.

As far as Loudon Wainwright III goes, I'll admit I don't know enough of his stuff to form an opinion. I'll have to give him more of a listen and get back to you.

Posted by Tom H. on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 18:42pm


Any support out there for Dave Matthews Band or Three Dog Night this year?

Posted by Tom H. on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 18:54pm


I'm in agreement that Lightfoot and Wainwright have a line ahead of them. I just don't recall ever seeing their names floated out there. Thanks for the feedback guys.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 19:10pm


Tom-- I'd favor Dave Matthews in a tiebreaker, but I just can't see myself using one of my seven precious ballot spots for them. Three Dog Night might have my vote, but for selfish purposes-- I really want America to get in sometime in the future, and I can't see that happening until TDN is inducted.

Posted by PopeCharming on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 19:15pm


Off the month's topic, but where we're at on folk/singer songwriter, it probably wouldn't hurt anyone if I sent out feelers for Gordon Lightfoot or Loudon Wainwright III as future targets.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 07.23.14 @ 08:40am


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You know I'm definitely a Gordon Lightfoot supporter for induction into Rock Hall Projected!

But now that you've brought up folk-singer/songwriters, how can John Denver not be in yet?!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 19:18pm


Denver is an interesting case. To me he feels more of a fit in "Influence" than "Performer", but it's borderline. I could understand arguments to the contrary.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 19:21pm


I honestly think that Dave Matthews could be considered a mild snub at this point, but he'd likely be competing against Wilco for a spot on my ballot.

Three Dog Night is a tough one for me. It's kind of like how some of us support someone like Throbbing Gristle, but there are others who don't get them and feel strongly opposed to voting for them. Three Dog Night is like that with me. I just don't get them in an HoF sense. That said, I'm always trying to re-evaluate genres or acts that I don't care for, so who knows what the future might bring.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 19:38pm


Rick-

In my opinion John Denver might be one of the more polarizing music stars of the 1970's. Rock & Roll purists roll their eyes and complain that he's too country and Country purists steadfastly complain that he's too pop (same with Glen Campbell). I for one see him as singer/songwriter with a country twist so you could absolutely make the case for his inclusion in the song project as a performer as he had several monster hits with his original compositions (Rocky Mountain High and Take Me Home Country Roads come to mind immediately).

DarinRG- Gotta say I'd never heard of Throbbing Gristle before this site. Any songs in particular I should listen to of theirs to get a sense of their sound?

Posted by Tom H. on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 20:26pm


Tom - I think that singles like, "Hot on the Heels of Love", "AB/7A", "20 Jazz Funk Greats", "United" and "Adrenalin" would give you an idea of Throbbing Gristle's sound. I will say straightforward that they are most definitely not a pop band. They'd fall into the category of some of our inductees like Can, Sparks or Suicide, or Neu! who keeps almost making it, in that their value rests heavily on high levels of innovation and a deep reach of influence under the mainstream radar. I can still hear direct echoes of all of these bands, as well as Cabaret Voltaire, who I hold in just as high esteem when it comes to influence and innovation, in modern Electronic, both mainstream and underground, as well as some of the more experimental modern genres like Post-rock.

I understand that they aren't going to be everybody's cup of tea, and that we all have different criteria that we we look for in a nominee, but that's a quick overview of where the support for some of these not exactly household names has come from.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 20:59pm


Darin, since we're so different, hopefully you'll appreciate (Tom, too) a naysayer's opinion. Admittedly, I only heard a handful of songs, but stylistically, putting Throbbing Gristle in the same box as Can and Sparks is quite inaccurate. Can and Sparks definitely have a lot of the same attributes of Kraftwerk. Throbbing Gristle, on the other hand from the few songs I heard, sounds like the stream of thought of the creepy guy on the bus that sits six inches away from you and masturbates furiously while staring at you without blinking. Then again, maybe those songs just happened to be from the same classic album, "When Grown Men Get In Touch With Their Inner Lonely 13-Year-Old Boy."

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 23:24pm


"Throbbing Gristle, on the other hand from the few songs I heard, sounds like the stream of thought of the creepy guy on the bus that sits six inches away from you and masturbates furiously while staring at you without blinking."

Pretty spot on. Hearing you put it into words actually raises their stock with me. I didn't think that was possible. Thank you.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.26.14 @ 23:52pm


You saying that anything I hate that much must be pretty awesome? lol You wouldn't be the first to say that. If that's pretty typical of their sound, then I would regard them much as the same as people optimistically regard "Revolution 9".... experimental, aural art, like Museum Of Modern Art type of exhibit type stuff. But not "music" as most people want to define it or at the very least not "entertainment," and therefore, really not deserving of HoF enshrinement, since I believe there should be some component of both sides of the coin in acts that are enshrined.

Also, I'm not getting on a bus with you anytime soon. Nothing personal, you understand.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 00:12am


Any support for Poco, Badfinger, or Captain Beefheart?

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 00:28am


Try listening to "Hamburger Lady", that'll change your mind and you can spread the word to the "most people" who clearly elected you spokesperson.

Also, don't walk past the bus. The windows open and I have good aim.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 00:29am


Oh come off it Darin. You and I both know and interact with people on an analog and daily basis. I don't think it's a shocking revelation for me to say that. Heck, the shocking revelation is that I've been called "pretentious" and a "music snob" on more than one occasion. To you, that's gotta be fall-down-laughing hilarious. To them, pointing out that Ke$ha actually proved it's possible to rap off-key is just spoiling everyone else's fun. Then I play them Roy Orbison's "She's A Mystery To Me," and the reaction I get is stunned silence and comments like "That's some next-level shit right there." Now what do you suppose they'd say if they heard Throbbing Gristle?

Also, I think Hamburger Lady might have been one of the tracks I heard. I don't remember... I think one title had something about a washing machine, and another had Mushroom or something.... and I think the Phoenix was involved in another song title. I... I kinda tried to block them from my memory banks.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 00:50am


Greg, Poco's a little too soft and a little too country for me. If we can't get country-rock progenitor the Big Bopper in, then I ain't throwing support behind Poco.

I like Badfinger, especially their song "Maybe Tomorrow" which they recorded as the Iveys. Regardless, I really don't see them as being deserving. I feel they join the ranks of Peter And Gordon, and Billy J. Kramer And The Dakotas in that they needed the Beatles to get them any clearance off the ground, but never rose above that initial boost.

Captain Beefheart isn't entirely my thing, though I love "Diddy Wah Diddy" and have an affinity for "Zig Zag Wanderer", too. But it would have to be with his Magic Lantern Band. No solo induction for him. The whole group. I'd support that.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 01:22am


You and I will never get past semi-friendly bickering on the broader subject of avant garde/experimental/alternative (in the classic sense) music. We've already put the pieces together. We're roughly of the same generation, you grew up in a rural area and didn't have exposure to that music and you're stubbornly dismissive of it, while I grew up in a city (Phoenix) and had access to a College/Alt radio station and healthy punk, goth, industrial and new wave scenes (nothing of LA/NY/London caliber, but respectable) and that music was impactful, meaningful and influential to me as well as my peers of our generation.

I can still frequently meet people of my generation here in Phoenix or when I visit LA, Tucson, New Orleans, Atlanta, Phildelphia, Portland, Salt Lake City or San Diego (just from actual experience) and quickly get into knowledgable conversations about these acts and what they meant to us and where we still hear their influence.

I remember a while back you dismissed that the alt/underground acts were influential because "people lie". That was a nosebreaking facepalm from someone of your historical knowledge and analytical skill (and I mean both parts of that sentence sincerely).

Your attitude has always esentially been, "I missed it, I don't get it, so anyone who does is wrong. It mustn't be important or influential if it wasn't to me."

It's hard to get anywhere when that's what you've projected since the day that we first came ito contact with each other.

I do genuinely like and respect you, but damn, why try?

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 01:25am


I think you have pegged wrongly Darin. I'm not as closed-minded or "stubbornly dismissive" as you think I am. I at least gave Throbbing Gristle and The Birthday Party a chance before getting dismissive of them. I won't make any bones about it when I say I don't get it, and when we're only picking 7 names, eventually you will pick names you get, rather than ones you don't. Or in the case of the real Hall, 5 or 6. But then again, I've long felt larger classes were the answer. But by the same token, and you've seen this on my blog, when I try to objectively rank nominees by merits, I put acts that I don't like up high if I feel their merits are real, even if I don't "get them." In all sincerity, I don't think anyone is "wrong", per se. But having been around here in the days of liam and others similar to him, not to mention the Steve Perry faithful and similar rabid fans of acts that really aren't worthy, you've got to be able to be blunt and even a little mean sometimes. That's pretty much where that whole style of talk on this forum comes from. Be ready to punch back, because they WILL throw the first one.

If anything, I've gotten a bit resentful of this project because I'm in such a minority (it feels like). I feel like any R&B acts we inducted were just "something to do" until all the prog/indie/underground acts that we love became eligilbe, and lost focus on the importance of those other styles altogether, or worse, pay lip service by calling them "influences", as in "I think they're important, but I don't like them enough to call them Performers, so I'll call them Influences and that'll be good enough." I also bristle a bit at the way it's been trending more and more away from American recognition, even touting acts specifically because they were "too good for the Yanks" (not a direct quote). I'm not saying that that's an absolute necessity, but at the very least, if not the U.S., then huge in the U.K.... if not with actual sales, then name cache or massive regional influence. Or huge in Europe as a whole. I feel there should be some major anchor in a major hub market (not that I'm saying I'd support David Hasselhoff, goodness no). Some of these acts that there's been a push for, I'm not getting much sense that they have that anchor. For example, reading about Throbbing Gristle on wiki, I get the feeling that they're widely spread, but not a big deal in any one particular corner, and to me, that's not a really good sign. But Cliff Richard or Status Quo... small potatoes in the U.S., but enormous in the UK... I'd support their inductions.

Again, that feeling may also come from other people also having to make that tough call of selecting only 7 when they could easily conjure up 20 or 30 names to induct. But then again, we had one guy trying for Buckner And Garcia repeatedly because of the fond memories of "Pac-Man Fever". So... yeah.

I remember the "people lie" comment, but I think that got taken out of context. My point is, when you're an entertainer and in the entertainment industry, you basically have to claim to be a fan of everyone, to have been influenced to some degree by artists within the general area of your sound, and be buddy-buddy with everyone, unless you're directly trying to promote an image that is directly anti-social. You never know when they'll be in the flow or when you'll be in the ebb, so don't make any enemies. You may personally think a fellow performer is a gigantic cockwaffle, but you can never say that audibly. If you play rock, and if someone thinks they hear traces of another artist in your songs, then you go along with it, because it might just sell more downloads. It's basically the entertainment game, and it applies to music just as surely as it does to TV and movies. That is why I say "people lie." When asked about influences, throw as many diverse yet major names as possible and try to resonate with a someone and hopefully you'll make a fan out of them. Not everyone does it, but it's a general rule.

And I'm glad you can meet people like that on a regular basis. But are you really telling me you don't also know people whose truths about music run no deeper than the dictates of Clearchannel, be it Top 40 or Country or AC? It's almost impossible. Even when I worked in radio (for a competitor to Clearchannel no less), there were still co-workers like that. Nevermind the co-workers at other jobs I had to work at while also working in radio. *shudder* I can't imagine anyone not knowing anyone like that.

Are we really the same generation? I can't tell. You look older than me in your profile pic on Twitter.

Fwiw, "Hamburger Lady" I would still submit as not being very entertaining (again, my opinion). It's less creepy guy and more "bus ride", especially the bottom track running underneath everything else. Honestly reminds me a little of video game sounds (not meant as an insult).

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 02:17am


I appreciate your response. There's a lot there to parse through and it deserves more respect than I can give it now that the Saturday night pints are kicking in (one thing that I need to work on around here is sobering up before I express some of my opinions).

I'll talk to you tomorrow.

Oh, the Hamburger Lady thing was a goof. I can berely even listen to it.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 02:40am


I could support 3 Dog Night. Still on the fence about DMB.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 10:04am


" I'm not as closed-minded or "stubbornly dismissive" as you think I am. I at least gave Throbbing Gristle and The Birthday Party a chance before getting dismissive of them. I won't make any bones about it when I say I don't get it, and when we're only picking 7 names, eventually you will pick names you get, rather than ones you don't."

And that's fine. Those are two very difficult acts if you aren't already plugged into that style of music. I will say that I do advocate for TG's induction eventually because of their historical significance and influence in electronic and avant-garde rock, but I'm not there yet. I brought them up as an example for Tom of an act that many support, but others will never understand or support. I also presented that under the context that I understand some feeling that way and that there are acts that I feel that way about.

TG are in my top 30 for Projected, but I have never mounted a serious push for them yet, and I wasn't doing that by bringing them up yesterday. Right now I'd prefer to get Captain Beefheart, Neu!, Bauhaus and the Fall taken care of from the chain of avant- rock acts before I mount any sort of serious push for TG.

As far as the Birthday Party go, I don't advocate for their induction. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds satisfied me in that area.

"But then again, I've long felt larger classes were the answer. "

Agreed. Cleveland is shamefully far behind in so many eras and genres.

"But having been around here in the days of liam and others similar to him, not to mention the Steve Perry faithful and similar rabid fans of acts that really aren't worthy, you've got to be able to be blunt and even a little mean sometimes. That's pretty much where that whole style of talk on this forum comes from. Be ready to punch back, because they WILL throw the first one."

Yes, when I read the comments of Alt supporters who pre-dated me on this site I cringe. Nobody is doing any service to those acts by being condescending d-bags about it. I also see that in a lot of cases they were responding to equally obnoxious and condescending Prog/Metal/Hard Rock fans. I mentioned a couple weeks ago that those two fan bases are the most traditionally dickish in forums like this and the earlier days of this site are a great archive of that.

That said, I really don't feel that that dynamic exists on FRL right now. I think that for the most part any tribalism or stubbornness is more passive. Some of us will occasionally notice and vent about it, but through our voting projects I think that the regulars these days eventually become exposed to and accepting of things outside their home base genres. Some people dive in, some take some prodding, but I'm not seeing that territorial assbucketness that used to define this site.

"If anything, I've gotten a bit resentful of this project because I'm in such a minority (it feels like)."

Being a participant in the daily grind of our various projects I feel that way a lot, too. I know others do as well.

" I feel like any R&B acts we inducted were just "something to do" until all the prog/indie/underground acts that we love became eligilbe, and lost focus on the importance of those other styles altogether, or worse, pay lip service by calling them "influences", as in "I think they're important, but I don't like them enough to call them Performers, so I'll call them Influences and that'll be good enough.""

I think it's very valid that you feel this way. I can't argue with you. This did happen. Back when we were doing Revisited, I didn't know or care much about R&B, but listening to the opinions of others and exploring some of their favorites has actually made me quite a fan of the genre from the 40s-70s. On the other hand, people were excited to get to prog/punk/alt because those are areas that were most directly meaningful to a large portion of our voting body, both the original acts and the modern acts that they influenced.

You're right that a lot of R&B acts have been left behind, and I understand your frustration. In the Song and Album Projects I feel that a lot of the groundbreaking and meaningful artists of the 80s and 90s have been forgotten and get ignored, but I'm glad that you've been banging a drum for those disrespected R&B acts. I'm saving a spot on my ballot for one this year, and not to just throw a bone. It's because you and Bill have made your case to me. That's pretty much what I try to do with the era and genres that were most meaningful to me.

"I also bristle a bit at the way it's been trending more and more away from American recognition, even touting acts specifically because they were "too good for the Yanks" (not a direct quote). I'm not saying that that's an absolute necessity, but at the very least, if not the U.S., then huge in the U.K.... if not with actual sales, then name cache or massive regional influence. Or huge in Europe as a whole. I feel there should be some major anchor in a major hub market (not that I'm saying I'd support David Hasselhoff, goodness no)."

This is a subject like the importance of billboard charts as a criteria. We're just coming from different planets and won't agree. I rarely think in terms of geography. I think in terms of genre and importance to the threads and chains of influence that run through modern music.

"I remember the "people lie" comment, but I think that got taken out of context. My point is, when you're an entertainer and in the entertainment industry, you basically have to claim to be a fan of everyone, to have been influenced to some degree by artists within the general area of your sound, and be buddy-buddy with everyone, unless you're directly trying to promote an image that is directly anti-social., etc..."

If someone says that they were influenced by the Clash or the Buzzcocks or Bauhaus or the Fall or Nick Cave or Throbbing Gristle I'm going to take them at their word, especially if I can hear it directly. I don't think anybody is really worried about being muscled out of the business if they don't pay homage to these acts. This is another area where we're just on different planets.

"But are you really telling me you don't also know people whose truths about music run no deeper than the dictates of Clearchannel, be it Top 40 or Country or AC?"

Of course I do, both IRL and even on this site. I've called that out in the Song Project several times. I think that we occasionally get people who pop up with that limited scope. It's frustrating when you get a two or three showing up at the same time. My observation, though is that they either quickly realize that FRL is a great resource for expanding your musical knowledge base and appreciation and they go with it or the disappear after a few months.

One argument that I'll never buy when discussing the RRHoF or any of our projects is the old, "Would your average soccer mom know about this artist or this song", or any variation of that. I don't know and I don't care. These things are supposed to be for people who are a bit more knowledgeable and open minded about music. I don't care what the Clear Channel mark knows or doesn't know.

"Are we really the same generation? I can't tell. You look older than me in your profile pic on Twitter."

I don't know. I always thought that you were a Boomer who worked in radio in the 60s (that's not a dig, that's really what I thought for years). I think I insinuated that a while back and you mentioned that we're roughly of the same generation. I was born in '72 (great music year), to clear up any mystery.

Anyway, I hope that gives you a better idea of where I'm coming from, especially that I don't endorse most of the vitriolic comments of the early Alt fans on this site (as well as a few drunken assholish comments of my own from over the years).



Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 22:02pm


"I will say that I do advocate for TG's induction eventually because of their historical significance and influence in electronic and avant-garde rock, but I'm not there yet. I brought them up as an example for Tom of an act that many support, but others will never understand or support. I also presented that under the context that I understand some feeling that way and that there are acts that I feel that way about."

Understood. Tangentially, not growing up with TG, I've had to read about them on wiki... the impression I got is that TG was basically a side project for its members, something for fun, much like the Traveling Wilburys (though worlds different in styles), which has been another big reason I haven't got behind them.

"That said, I really don't feel that that dynamic exists on FRL right now."

That particular dynamic is gone, but the need to be stern is still there. Most recently when we're letting Roy or Enig know that they're constant posting about an act has reached beyond saturation point. In the case of the projects here, I suppose the stronger the language, the greater our hope to persuade or dissuade however effective it may or may not be.

"This is a subject like the importance of billboard charts as a criteria. We're just coming from different planets and won't agree. I rarely think in terms of geography. I think in terms of genre and importance to the threads and chains of influence that run through modern music."

Very true, but I've noticed that post-Beatles threads and chains of influence tend to be very geographical. Can and Kraftwerk were from Europe, and progenitors of EDM. Now, it's spreading here, but where did it breakout, and where is the innovation largely driven from in EDM? Continental Europe. Alternative scene rock is dominated by the British (though there are American acts), but that comes from a lot of acts that styles that were huge in England.

"If someone says that they were influenced by the Clash or the Buzzcocks or Bauhaus or the Fall or Nick Cave or Throbbing Gristle I'm going to take them at their word, especially if I can hear it directly. I don't think anybody is really worried about being muscled out of the business if they don't pay homage to these acts. This is another area where we're just on different planets."

Yeah, but if they claim it, but you can't hear it directly, then you have to consider whether or not they're lying to themselves or others. Acts like the Clash that are broken up and key members deceased, it's a bit safer, but even to bad-mouth them could be suicidal because they're so revered, so it still kinda holds true. But more recently, it's like how Elton John and Eminem consider it an honor to work with each other, or Bono calling Beyonce "Queen Bey" or whatever. It's an everybody loves everybody type of atmosphere, and you've gotta take it with a grain of salt, imo.

"One argument that I'll never buy when discussing the RRHoF or any of our projects is the old, "Would your average soccer mom know about this artist or this song", or any variation of that. I don't know and I don't care. These things are supposed to be for people who are a bit more knowledgeable and open minded about music. I don't care what the Clear Channel mark knows or doesn't know."

It's a thin line where I agree and don't agree with you here. I obviously don't want to make it a total popularity contest, but if it's entirely elitist or insider, then it has no relevance. It becomes an elephant's graveyard of acts that had imagination, but couldn't reach out or express meaningfully effectively. Think of what makes Smokey Robinson's compositions or Ray Charles' songs so timeless and revered. Not only are they artistic, but they communicate to people. Who can't relate to songs like "More Love" or "Busted"? And maybe the sour taste of the Alt-lovers of yore on this site remains, but I find the sentiment of "the fault of the great unwashed" is often a cop out. So while I don't want the Hall to be a tribute to rehashed pablum (e.g. boy bands), it can't be a Hall for hipsters either. Like I once said here (and it really pissed off Liam when I said it), I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to ask that the (majority of) inductees be acts that John Q. Public has at least heard of, even if they can't actually name a song by them. There's a reason they call it a Hall Of FAME. (Though I do enjoy their inducting great acts that should have been bigger than they were like Laura Nyro and Darlene Love.)

I don't how you're gonna define "generation". You're actually 9 years older than me. I think that technically makes me a Gen Xer, but I blend in with the Y'ers pretty well too, and relate fairly well to millennials.

Hope that clarifies my position as well.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 23:45pm


In regards to Three Dog Night, if I saw support for them during the voting process, I would throw them a vote, but I have a few artists that I'm likely to vote for beforehand.


"It's a thin line where I agree and don't agree with you here. I obviously don't want to make it a total popularity contest, but if it's entirely elitist or insider, then it has no relevance. It becomes an elephant's graveyard of acts that had imagination, but couldn't reach out or express meaningfully effectively. Think of what makes Smokey Robinson's compositions or Ray Charles' songs so timeless and revered. Not only are they artistic, but they communicate to people. Who can't relate to songs like "More Love" or "Busted"? And maybe the sour taste of the Alt-lovers of yore on this site remains, but I find the sentiment of "the fault of the great unwashed" is often a cop out. So while I don't want the Hall to be a tribute to rehashed pablum (e.g. boy bands), it can't be a Hall for hipsters either. Like I once said here (and it really pissed off Liam when I said it), I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to ask that the (majority of) inductees be acts that John Q. Public has at least heard of, even if they can't actually name a song by them. There's a reason they call it a Hall Of FAME. (Though I do enjoy their inducting great acts that should have been bigger than they were like Laura Nyro and Darlene Love.)"

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.27.14 @ 23:45pm

In regards to our project, I pretty much agree here. I like that our project has introduced me to a wide array of artists over the years (some of which I loved and some of which bored me). But I don't think they should be terribly obscure either.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 07.30.14 @ 10:50am


"In regards to our project, I pretty much agree here. I like that our project has introduced me to a wide array of artists over the years (some of which I loved and some of which bored me). But I don't think they should be terribly obscure either."

Part of why I've always been so proud of Revisited/Projected is that I think we've always struck a good balance and covered all bases well.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 07.30.14 @ 19:46pm


I'd also add that I agree about avoiding too obscure acts, but "too obscure" seems really subjective. If we're doing the old soccer mom test I think that a lot of the early doo wop and R&B acts that we've inducted or that are being actively advocated for probably would fail the test alongside some of the more experimental acts that we've inducted.

I could make an historical case for say, Christian Death or Clock DVA, but while those bands did have some historical significance I also understand that they've largely fallen into broader obscurity and that their notoriety and reach of influence are largely confined to their own genres.

So, I do agree, but we all might have differing opinions of what "too obscure" means. But, hey, that's why we vote on this stuff.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 07.30.14 @ 20:08pm


Any support out there for Supertramp or Styx?

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 07.31.14 @ 14:06pm


I would support a Styx induction. Still on the fence about Supertramp.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 07.31.14 @ 15:26pm


Both are close, but not quite for me, I'm afraid, Tom. The closest group in that wheelhouse I could get behind is Toto.

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 07.31.14 @ 16:09pm


Supertramp, yes; Styx, maybe, but doubtful; Toto, no, just no.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 07.31.14 @ 19:55pm


Sorry PopeCharming. You and I are usually on the same page musically but you lost me at Toto. Good songs but waaaay off my radar

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 07.31.14 @ 19:57pm


I would say that Styx are on my radar, though I think I would go for Foreigner or Boston first if I was to push for an arena rock band. Supertramp would be close behind as well.

I don't think I could get behind Toto. Like REO Speedwagon, I probably enjoy them a lot more personally than most posters on here, but objectively they are way down my list of priorities.

Classic rawwwwwwwwwwwk-wise, my #1 priority remains The Guess Who. Beyond them, I would probably go for Pat Benatar next...then probably Boston or Foreigner.

Posted by BSLO on Thursday, 07.31.14 @ 20:43pm


I'd support Styx, Foreigner, Guess Who, & Boston (and Kansas as well).

Supertramp & Toto I'm iffy on.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 07.31.14 @ 22:24pm


This month's discussion is Proto-Punk/Art Rock/Punk/New Wave (60s-80s).

The general "punk/alternative/indie" genre that encompasses the last two monthly discussions was split chronologically by artists first eligible in 2013. Some artists may fit better into the second group, but this was the most logical way to split this massive group.

Here are some candidates:

10,000 Maniacs
Adam and the Ants
Afghan Whigs
Alex Chilton
Bad Brains
Bad Religion
Bauhaus
Big Country
Billy Bragg
Billy Idol
Bob Geldof
Bow Wow Wow
Bryan Ferry
Budgie
Butthole Surfers
Captain Beefheart
Cocteau Twins
Concrete Blonde
Cowboy Junkies
Crowded House
Daniel Johnston
David Byrne
Descendents
Dinosaur Jr.
Dramarama
Echo and the Bunnymen
English Beat
Erasure
Everything But the Girl
Fugazi
Gang of Four
Generation X
Green River
Guided By Voices
Henry Rollins
Iggy Pop
James
Joe Jackson
Joe Strummer
Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers
Jonathan Richman
Killing Joke
King's X
L7
Living Colour
Lou Reed
Madness
Matthew Sweet
Meat Puppets
Midnight Oil
Mink DeVille
Minor Threat
Minutemen
Missing Persons
Mission of Burma
Modern English
Morrissey
Mudhoney
Nico
Oingo Boingo
Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark
Pere Ubu
Pet Shop Boys
Phish
Primal Scream
Public Image Ltd.
Pulp
Quarterflash
Richard Hell and the Voidoids
Rites of Spring
Robyn Hitchcock
Screaming Trees
Simple Minds
Simply Red
Social Distortion
Soft Cell
Soul Asylum
Spacemen 3
Spandau Ballet
Split Enz
Squeeze
Steinski
Stray Cats
Suicidal Tendencies
Swans
Tad
Talk Talk
Tears for Fears
The Birthday Party
The Boomtown Rats
The Buggles
The Chameleons
The Church
The Circle Jerks
The Cramps
The Cult
The Damned
The Dead Boys
The Dictators
The Fall
The Feelies
The Fixx
The Flamin' Groovies
The Go-Go's
The Hooters
The Human League
The Ides of March
The Jesus and Mary Chain
The Jim Carroll Band
The Knack
The La's
The Left Banke
The Lemonheads
The Melvins
The Misfits
The Motels
The Pogues
The Psychedelic Furs
The Residents
The Sisters of Mercy
The Slits
The Smithereens
The Soft Boys
The Stranglers
The Sugarcubes
The Teardrop Explodes
The Television Personalities
The The
The Tragically Hip
The Undertones
The Vibrators
The Waterboys
The Wipers
They Might Be Giants
Thomas Dolby
Thompson Twins
Throwing Muses
Timbuk 3
Tom Tom Club
Ultravox
Violent Femmes
Voivod
Wall of Voodoo
Wendy O. Williams
Widespread Panic
Wire
Wishbone Ash
World Party
Yaz (Yazoo)
Yo La Tengo
Yoko Ono

As always, it's not a complete list and you may think that some artists don't belong on this list.

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 07.31.14 @ 22:51pm


The ones that most jump out to me, with a couple of additions (Cabaret Voltaire and Throbbing Gristle belong here rather than Metal). Asterisk for higher priorities:

Bad Brains **
Bauhaus **
Billy Bragg *
Billy Idol *
Bryan Ferry
Cabaret Voltaire
Captain Beefheart **
Cocteau Twins*
David Byrne
Descendents
Dinosaur Jr.
Echo and the Bunnymen
Fugazi *
Gang of Four *
Guided By Voices
Iggy Pop *
Joe Jackson
Killing Joke
Lou Reed **
Matthew Sweet
Meat Puppets
Midnight Oil *
Minor Threat *
Minutemen *
Morrissey *
Mudhoney
Pere Ubu
Pet Shop Boys
Primal Scream
Public Image Ltd. *
Pulp *
Richard Hell and the Voidoids *
Social Distortion **
Suede
Swans
Talk Talk
The Cult
The Damned *
The Dead Boys
The Fall **
The Jesus and Mary Chain *
The Pogues
The Slits
Throbbing Gristle
Wire *
Yo La Tengo

There are others that I could be swayed on, as well.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 07.31.14 @ 23:17pm


This list is actually longer than I thought it would be, but still shorter than everyone else's. hahaha These are ones I'd either actively support or be content with seeing make it.

Bad Brains
Bad Religion
Captain Beefheart
Cocteau Twin
Fugazi
Gang of Four
Lou Reed
Morrissey
Pet Shop Boys
Phish
Stray Cats
The Go-Go's
The Tragically Hip
They Might Be Giants
Violent Femmes
Yoko Ono

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 07.31.14 @ 23:51pm


You know, Philip, I would actually support Yoko, too. I overlooked her name on the list.

I actually like her music and I don't hold the Beatles precious, so I've never had the adversity to her that many do.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 08.1.14 @ 01:01am


Not just that, but her electronica output is actually pretty awesome. Granted, you could argue that the genius is of the remixers and producers and whatnot, but as a solitary figure, she really stands out as a superstar in her own right. Her pre-2000 work is pretty interesting. I like her albums "It's Alright (I See Rainbows)", and "Approximately Infinite Universe". Besides which, her albums with John had some pretty good stuff. "Sisters, O Sisters" from Sometime In New York City has a really great basic no-frills, early rock 'n' roll feel to it.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 08.1.14 @ 01:14am


This has been the genre I've been waiting for since we started this monthly discussion! Don't know why in particular, but its probably due to several of my passion projects being included here. In no particular order:

Bad Brains - My gosh, these guys just reek of worthy. Pioneers of Hardcore punk, they've also been able to blend reggae, funk, heavy metal, soul, and hip hop. They developed a faster and more aggressive style of playing not seen beforehand, featuring complex rhythms and non-punk guitar riffs and solos. They also kickstarted not one, but two hardcore scenes in Washington D.C. and New York and broke down racial barriers in punk music. My #1 pick for the past few years. Bad Brains also influenced the next band on my list...

Minor Threat - While short-lived, they left a massive influence on hardcore punk. Also from the D.C. scene, they, along with Black Flag & Bad Brains, set the standard for the hardcore punk music. Musically, MT used faster rhythms and more aggressive, less melodic riffs as was common at the time. They developed the "DIY" ethic of music distribution and concert promotion and formed the basis of the Straight Edge Movement, which would go on to influence the youth crew movement. I'll readily admit that I had heard of the straight edge movement before I had ever heard of Minor Threat. Want cultural impact? That's it right there! Mackaye & Nelson created Dischord Records, which has released albums for a slew of other punk bands after them. Mackaye's face is also featured on the "Mount Rushcore" wall located in Ashbury Park.

The Misfits - Progenitors of "horror punk" by fusing punk rock with horror film themes and imagery as well as musically with rockabilly, '50s rock, and heavy metal. The Misfits also helped develop the NY scene of hardcore punk and has been described by Steven Blush as "crucial to the rise of hardcore." Their albums and early work are considered touchstones in the punk genre and Glenn Danzig (who went on to form Danzig and Samhain) is also featured on the "Mount Rushcore" along with Strummer, Rotten, Joey Ramone, Rollins, & Mackaye. Inductee Metallica has covered 3 Misfits songs for their Garage Inc. album. Also, as a sidenote, I've seen countless people wearing Misfits memorabilia.

The Damned - The very first U.K. punk band to release a single, an album, and to tour the US. Damned Damned Damned and Machine Gun Etiquette remain among the top punk albums of all time. They, along with Sex Pistols, Clash, Television, & the Ramones, are recognized as the vanguard of punk as a new musical movement. In the 1980s, the Damned transitioned and became forerunners of the gothic rock genre.

Discharge - Not listed, but should be. These guys paved the way for thrash metal and had its own genre named after them "D-Beat". Considered the foundation of grindcore influence and listed by many death metal bands as a major influence, including Napalm Death, Sepultura, and a number of Swedish bands that either use the prefix "Dis" or suffix "charge" as a nod towards Discharge. Reading into them, it looks like their influence on European metal and punk was huge. Their music is characterized by a minimalistic approach to lyrics, heavy distorted guitar riff, and shouted vocals about anarchist/pacifist themes.

Those 5 are my big ones from the early years of Punk (not including the Sonics, whom we've listed in classic rock).

I'd also throw support behind Billy Idol, the Go-Go's, Pet Shop Boys, and Bauhaus.

Remember the massive support that Bauhaus had two years ago The next induction came around they seemed to have been replaced by Siouxsie and the Banshees.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 08.1.14 @ 13:32pm


Steve Z, can certainly get behind a Bad Brains induction.

Need to read up on some of the others you mentioned. Know Minor Threat.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 08.1.14 @ 15:22pm


Hope you like them, Paul!

Also, I'd like to say that the main riff of The Damned's "Life Goes On" from 1982 was used by Killing Joke for their song "Eighties" and by Nirvana in "Come As You Are." Influence goes a long way!

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 08.1.14 @ 16:24pm


"Remember the massive support that Bauhaus had two years ago The next induction came around they seemed to have been replaced by Siouxsie and the Banshees."

That was kind of my fault. When I've actively pushed for Bauhaus they've gotten good support and have come reasonably close a couple times. Last year I wanted to push for the Banshees because I thought they were a little more overdue, had more commercial success, which I know appeals to some voters, and I wanted to get some strong female acts on my ballot (Siouxsie Sioux and PJ Harvey). I figured there'd be no point in pushing the Banshees and Bauhaus in the same year.

Also, Bad Brains are my top punk priority. I could definitely find a place for them on my ballot.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 08.1.14 @ 20:31pm


My Top Priorities for this round

Bad Brains
Big Star
Captain Beefheart
Fugazi
Iggy Pop
Lou Reed
Minor Threat
Morrissey
Phish
The Go-Gos
The Misfits
They Might Be Giants
Violent Femmes
Wire
Yo La Tengo

Posted by Ryan on Friday, 08.1.14 @ 20:49pm


Curious how many of you use Last.fm. I'd really be interested in hearing what some of your top 50 artists are if you'd like to post them or share a link to your charts. It's interesting to me to see what people actually listen to and how it lines up with what we discuss, nominate and vote for. I'd also be happy to accept a friend request from any of you.

As for me (based on plays since April 2013):

http://www.last.fm/user/DarinRG

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - 1265
Tindersticks - 734
Harold Budd - 620
Tom Waits - 614
Brian Eno - 612
St. Vincent - 597
The National - 587
Einstrzende Neubauten - 555
Joy Division - 540
Leonard Cohen - 515
Cabaret Voltaire - 506
Bauhaus - 498
Max Richter - 490
PJ Harvey - 489
Throbbing Gristle - 480
Robert Rich - 478
The Fall - 477
FM Einheit - 447
Can - 445
The Birthday Party - 443
Serge Gainsbourg - 436
Anna von Hausswolff - 436
Midnight Oil - 431
Neu! - 431
Death in June - 421
Lykke Li - 421
Dead Can Dance - 420
Steve Roach - 419
Kraftwerk - 418
The Cure - 418
Svartsinn - 416
The Doors - 415
The Velvet Underground - 415
Jacques Brel - 413
R.E.M. - 412
Howlin' Wolf - 411
Nick Cave & Warren Ellis - 411
Zola Jesus - 409
Philip Glass - 408
Popol Vuh - 407
Johnny Cash - 405
Bat for Lashes - 405
The Sisters of Mercy - 403
Suicide - 401
Wire - 400
Bad Brains - 400
Byron Metcalf - 399
Billy Bragg - 397
Dirty Three - 396
The Clash - 393





Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 08.1.14 @ 23:27pm


I could go for:

Bad Brains
Bad Religion
Bauhaus
Captain Beefheart
Cocteau Twins
Fugazi
Gang of Four
Lou Reed
Madness
Nico
Pet Shop Boys
Phish
Social Distortion
Squeeze
The Damned
The Waterboys
The Misfits
Wire
Wishbone Ash
Yo La Tengo
Yoko Ono

Biggest Priorities out of these:

Bad Brains
Wishbone Ash
Nico
Yo La Tengo
Social Distortion
Captain Beefheart
The Dammed
Lou Reed

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 08.2.14 @ 01:16am


Based on the comments so far, this might be the year for a Bad Brains push.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 08.2.14 @ 01:36am


I feel like I sort of short-changed the last few artists I mentioned I'd support, so I'll give them a fair write up as well.

Bauhaus - Considered the first gothic rock band, with their 1979 debut single, "Bela Lugosi's Dead" being considered the beginning of the genre. The band's influence has been widespread; from industrial rock artists Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, & Skinny Puppy, to alternative/indie groups such as Jane's Addiction, Soundgarden, Hole, AFI, Interpol, My Chemical Romance, & The Flaming Lip, and death rock groups including Glenn Danzig (lead singer of the Misfits), Christian Death, and Type O Negative. Artists including Duff McKagan, Jello Biafra, Stephen Malkmus, & Jarvis Cocker have also spoken of Bauhaus's influence.

Pet Shop Boys - I included these guys when the electronic discussion had gone up. The most successful duo in UK music history according to the Guinness Book of World Records and the 4th most successful act on the US dance/club play charts, only behind Donna Summer, Madonna, & Janet Jackson.

The Go-Go's - They made history as the 1st and only all female band that both wrote their own songs and played their own instruments to top the Billboard album charts. Beauty and the Beat (their debut album) is considered a cornerstone album of US new wave. This would be a fine addition for representing female rockers.

Billy Idol - One of the very first MTV stars and a member of their "Second British Invasion," he had a large selection of hits that have become staples on classic rock radio stations, including "White Wedding," "Rebel Yell," "Eyes without a Face," among others. His 1993 experimental album, Cyberpunk, was recorded on a Macintosh computer at a home studio and, athough poorly received, Idol set precedents by being the first artist to use the internet, e-mail, virtual communities, and multimedia softwares to promote his album. Some can claim that he helped bridge the gap between punk and the pop punk of the 90s and that he helped bring punk music into the mainstream.

There you go. Now I feel like I've righted a wrong.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 08.2.14 @ 13:23pm


Bikini Kill is another band from this area that I'd support for their importance to Riot Grrrl, one of the defining musical movements of the 90s and their influence on feminist musicians going forward.

And gender and politics aside, they were the best punk band of their era, IMO. (With all due respect to Sleater-Kinney, a close second for me.)

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 08.3.14 @ 01:05am


I'm not going to lose any sleep over what we decide, but it's hilarious to consider the Song Project to be hallowed ground. It was for its first six months and it's been good for its last four or five months, but it's been a random hot mess inbetween.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 08.8.14 @ 05:49am


Definitely a longer list than I thought though I noticed that there were a lot of "one-hit wonders" on the list (whether that be a fair generalization or not) These are the ones that would have the best shot at making my ballot

Bad Brains
Bad Religion
Billy Idol
Captain Beefheart
Fugazi
Generation X (but would lean more towards Billy Idol solo)
Living Colour
Lou Reed
Phish
The Go-Go's

Honorable mention:
Stray Cats (though I would prefer Brian Setzer as an influence for sparking revivals of rockabilly and big band)

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 08.8.14 @ 18:42pm


A nice list with several arguable candidates.

My favorites from Darren's list:

Bauhaus
Billy Idol
Gang of Four
Madness
Midnight Oil
Pet Shop Boys
Phish
Simple Minds
Tears for Fears
Wishbone Ash

I'm particularly surprised Phish rarely gets mentioned around here. I don't like them myself, but when you think of what they've done for the jam band genre they seem like they should be shoo-ins.

My top priorities from this list would be
1. Midnight Oil
2. Billy Idol
3. Wishbone Ash
4. Simple Minds
5. Phish

Secondary considerations:
10,000 Maniacs
Afghan Whigs
Bad Brains
Bad Religion
Cocteau Twins
Echo and the Bunnymen
Erasure
Fugazi
Henry Rollins
Living Colour
Lou Reed
Minor Threat
Minutemen
Public Image Ltd.
Richard Hell and the Voidoids
Social Distortion
The Cult
The Fixx
The Human League
The Jesus and Mary Chain
They Might Be Giants
Violent Femmes
Wire
World Party

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 08.12.14 @ 16:13pm


The Pope Charming Challenge:

I'd like to suggest an idea here (and I apologize if this is not the proper place to post this.) I love the Rock Hall Revisited and Rock Hall Projected projects we have on this site. You've created a virtual rock hall of fame that is fun to compare to the real one. It is deeply collaborative and consensus-driven, the product of careful thought, lots of listening, and cunning strategy.

But I'm much more interested in who ~individuals~ think should be in, and should not be in, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It's like my similar fascination with ranking presidents: I'm much more interested in why one historian thinks Woodrow Wilson is a praiseworthy, forward-thinking figure and another, equally knowledgable historian might think he was a backwards, faux-intellectual regressive racist. Instead of, you know, evaluating presidents on aggregate rankings of scholars that tell me the averages. As a history professor myself, I'm thinking of doing a paper on public memory, public participation, and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and using your submissions as some food for thought.

For this reason, I'd like to issue the Pope Charming Challenge. If you care to, make me a list of the 192 eligible artists you think belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Do you think Duran Duran should be in, but not Laura Nyro? That Janet Jackson has a place, but putting in Gene Pitney was a mistake? We have our fair share of respectful criticism of the Rock Hall's choices on this site, so here's your opportunity to put your money where your mouth is, and re-make the Hall--- your way.

-Why 192? That is, by my count, the number of artists inducted (believing as I do that the 2012 slate of backing groups like the Miracles and the Comets, etc. were ret-cons-- that is, the Hall saying "it should have been James Brown and the Famous Flames, not just James Brown".)

If you accept, send me your list at popecharming@hotmail.com (rather than clogging this board with something off-topic) with the following guidelines:

1. Please send your list in alphabetical order; this will ensure that you haven't accidentally listed someone twice.

2. Please include artists who were eligible up to the 2014 induction ceremony. For example, Nirvana (first eligible in 2014) is okay, but Green Day (first eligible in 2015) is not.

3. Feel free to include or leave out backing groups as you please. For example, you might think Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band is appropriate, but you might also decide on Dion without the Belmonts.

4. I realize that this project, if you wish to participate, takes time-- let's set a deadline for one month from today, September 25th.

5. Remember, this is just for artist inductions- not early influences, not producers, not sidemen. But if you feel that someone like Wanda Jackson or Freddie King deserves to be inducted as an artist, while they were inducted as influences in real life, feel free to include them.

You might want to use the Future Rock Legends rock rankings, the list of snubs, the other resources on this site, and most importantly, your own musical and historical judgment in making your choices. I'll post some of the results on my blog, The Northumbrian Countdown.

If you have the time and interest, I hope you will participate. It's the best challenge you can accept this summer that doesn't involve pouring a bucket of ice on your head.

Posted by PopeCharming on Sunday, 08.24.14 @ 20:33pm


So in short, if it were up to us, who'd be the 192 inducted artists, to date?

I'm in. I'm a horrible procrastinator, but I'll get my list in.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 08.25.14 @ 00:37am


You have a gift for brevity that I do not, Philip, but yes, that's the crux of it.

Posted by PopeCharming on Monday, 08.25.14 @ 01:33am


My girlfriend, some of our friends, and I have our own personal, private adaptation of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thing that we have created, so this will be a quick and easy task for me. I'll send you my list within 48 hours, PopeCharming.

Posted by Paul K on Monday, 08.25.14 @ 02:19am


I'll send you a list sometime soon PopeCharming. Sounds fun.

You don't want us to list inductees by the year we'd induct them, right?

Just a simple list of the top 192 artists that were eligible up to 2014 that should presently be in the HOF? That should be fun!

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 08.25.14 @ 04:44am


PopeCharming: It may take a little time on my end, but I'll be happy to participate in your challenge!

I'm also looking at this month's genre and making a list here, but when that's done, I'll be making my list for the challenge.

Posted by SotN on Monday, 08.25.14 @ 04:51am


Thanks, everyone, for the positive responses. And you are correct, Donnie, you don't need to list them by year or rank them in any way. Just the alphabetical list of 192.

Posted by PopeCharming on Monday, 08.25.14 @ 05:27am


I definitely accept that challenge Pope. It just may take me a few weeks.

I have often wondered about that same thing, especially regarding the regulars here.

Posted by jtrichey on Wednesday, 08.27.14 @ 22:23pm


PopeCharming-

I accept your challenge and look forward to seeing what people come up with (and the ensuing debate)

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 08.28.14 @ 10:59am


Alright, so while this is a bit late, the ones I'd support this month are:

(Note: Like before, an asterisk indicates higher priority. More asterisks, more priority.)

Adam and the Ants
***Bad Brains
**Bauhaus
Big Country
*Billy Idol
*Budgie
***Captain Beefheart
*Cocteau Twins
Crowded House
**Dinosaur Jr.
*Echo and the Bunnymen
English Beat
Erasure
*Fugazi
*Gang of Four
*Generation X
*Iggy Pop
*Joe Jackson
Killing Joke
King's X
*Living Colour
**Lou Reed
**Madness
**Midnight Oil
Oingo Boingo
*Orchestral Manoeuvers in the Dark
***Pet Shop Boys
*Phish
**Public Image Ltd.
*Pulp
*Richard Hell and the Voidoids
**Simple Minds
*Simply Red
***Social Distortion
Soul Asylum
*Spandau Ballet
Split Enz
Squeeze
*Stray Cats
*Suicidal Tendencies
**Talk Talk
**Tears for Fears
**The Cult
***The Damned
*The Fall
*The Fixx
**The Human League
**The Jesus and Mary Chain
*The Jim Carroll Band
The Left Banke
**The Pogues
The Psychedelic Furs
*The Residents
The Sisters of Mercy
*The The
**They Might Be Giants
*Thomas Dolby (Performer)
Thompson Twins
*Ultravox
Wendy O. Williams
*Wire
Yaz (Yazoo)
*Yo La Tengo

Posted by SotN on Saturday, 08.30.14 @ 20:41pm


Sorry. Just forgot one:

**Minor Threat

Posted by SotN on Saturday, 08.30.14 @ 22:01pm


The last monthly genre discussion will be for the genre of College Rock/Alternative/Indie (80s-Present). The actual RNR HOF nominations should be out sometime this month or next.

Here are some candidates:

311
Against Me!
Alanis Morissette
And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead
Ani DiFranco
At the Drive-In
Audioslave
Ben Folds Five
Ben Harper
Better Than Ezra
Bikini Kill
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Blind Melon
Blitzen Trapper
Blue October
Bob Mould
Bright Eyes
Bush
Cake
Candlebox
Clinic
Collective Soul
Cornershop
Counting Crows
Cracker
Crash Test Dummies
Creed
Cursive
Dave Matthews Band
Death Cab for Cutie
Doves
Dresden Dolls
Drive-By Truckers
Dropkick Murphys
Eagles of Death Metal
Eels
Elastica
Evanescence
Everclear
Fastball
Feist
Fiona Apple
Flogging Molly
Flyleaf
Fountains of Wayne
Frank Black
Franz Ferdinand
Garbage
Get Up Kids
Gin Blossoms
Gogol Bordello
Goldfinger
Goldfrapp
Gorillaz
Grizzly Bear
Hole
Incubus
Interpol
Jamiroquai
Jet
Jimmy Eat World
Joanna Newsom
Juliana Hatfield
Kings of Leon
Kyuss
Lenny Kravitz
Limp Bizkit
Linkin Park
Lit
Live
Liz Phair
M. Ward
M83
Manic Street Preachers
Marcy Playground
Mazzy Star
Metric
Mike Patton
Modest Mouse
Morphine
Muse
My Chemical Romance
My Morning Jacket
Neko Case
Neutral Milk Hotel
Nickelback
No Doubt
Of Montreal
OK Go
Okkervil River
Orgy
Our Lady Peace
Panda Bear
Papa Roach
Paul Weller
Peter Bjorn and John
Phantom Planet
Phoenix
Placebo
Porno For Pyros
Portishead
Presidents of the U.S.A.
Primus
Puddle of Mudd
Quasi
Queens of the Stone Age
Rancid
Ride
Rilo Kiley
Rise Against
Robert Pollard
Ryksopp
Saves The Day
Sebadoh
Seether
Seven Mary Three
Silver Jews
Silverchair
Silverstein
Sleater-Kinney
Slint
Snow Patrol
Son Volt
Soul Coughing
Sparta
Spiritualized
Spoon
Stars
Starsailor
Stephen Malkmus
Stereolab
Stereophonics
Stone Sour
Sublime
Suede
Sugar
Sum 41
Sun Kil Moon
Sunny Day Real Estate
Super Furry Animals
Superchunk
Supergrass
Switchfoot
Taking Back Sunday
Ted Leo & the Pharmacists
Teenage Fanclub
Tegan & Sara
Temple of the Dog
The All-American Rejects
The Ataris
The Avett Brothers
The Black Keys
The Bottle Rockets
The Breeders
The Brian Jonestown Massacre
The Charlatans UK
The Cranberries
The Cribs
The Dandy Warhols
The Decemberists
The Distillers
The Fiery Furnaces
The Futureheads
The Go! Team
The Hives
The Hold Steady
The Killers
The Knife
The Libertines
The Long Blondes
The Mountain Goats
The National
The New Pornographers
The Polyphonic Spree
The Postal Service
The Raveonettes
The Secret Machines
The Shins
The Stills
The Strokes
The Sundays
The Supersuckers
The Thermals
The Verve
The Verve Pipe
The Vines
The Von Bondies
The Walkmen
The Wrens
Three Days Grace
Thursday
Tilly And The Wall
Toad the Wet Sprocket
Tori Amos
Travis
TV on the Radio
Twilight Singers
Uncle Tupelo
Urge Overkill
Velvet Revolver
Veruca Salt
Voxtrot
Wallflowers
Wayne Kramer
Ween
Why?
Wilco
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Yellowcard
Young Knives
Zero 7
Zwan

As always, it's not a complete list and you may think that some artists don't belong on this list.

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 09.6.14 @ 00:21am


Interesting stuff. My ballot will probably be stocked with older acts then this that I feel have been waiting longer in line, but I could see myself giving some serious thought to:

Alanis Morissette
Ani DiFranco
Ben Folds Five
Blind Melon
Counting Crows
Dave Matthews Band
Fiona Apple
Gin Blossoms
Lenny Kravitz
No Doubt
Our Lady Peace
Sublime
Tori Amos

Out of these, Gin Blossoms, Kravitz, DMB, and Fiona Apple would be the most likely to get my vote if there was enough support of them in other quarters.

Posted by PopeCharming on Saturday, 09.6.14 @ 03:15am


Intresting category with a lot of possibilities for my ballot in the next few years. These artists stand out:

Alanis Morissette
Audioslave
Ben Folds Five
Better Than Ezra
Blind Melon
Collective Soul
Counting Crows
Creed
Dave Matthews Band
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
Franz Ferdinand
Garbage
Gin Blossoms
Gorillaz
Hootie & The Blowfish
Incubus
Kings of Leon
Lenny Kravitz
Linkin Park
Live
Liz Phair
Modest Mouse
No Doubt
Primus
Queens of the Stone Age
Spoon
Sublime
The Black Keys
The Cranberries
The Killers
The Strokes
The Verve
Toad the Wet Sprocket
Tori Amos
Velvet Revolver
Wallflowers
Wilco

Granted some of these acts are more of a pipe dream then anything else (Wallflowers, Creed, and Audioslave come to mind) and some I really like but am holding off on as I think they still have more great music to come (Kings Of Leon, and The Black Keys being the best examples). For most of these artists however we can look objectively as enough time has passed since they started (Dave Matthews Band and Gin Blossoms immediately come to mind).

Here is my top ten most likely to make this years ballot:

1. Dave Matthews Band
2. Gin Blossoms
3. Counting Crows
4. Hootie & The Blowfish
5. Sublime
6. Alanis Morrisette
7. Collective Soul
8. The Black Keys
9. The Strokes
10. Wilco

Posted by Tom H. on Saturday, 09.6.14 @ 15:06pm


311
Against Me!
Alanis Morissette
I'd support:

Audioslave
Ben Folds Five
Ben Harper & The Innocent Criminals
Bush
Dave Matthews Band
Lenny Kravitz
No Doubt
Queens of the Stone Age
The Black Keys
The Cranberries
They Might Be Giants
Tori Amos
Wilco

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09.6.14 @ 21:24pm


Of the list, my support would be for:

311
*Against Me!
***Alanis Morissette
*Ani DiFranco
At the Drive-In
*Audioslave
**Ben Folds Five
Better Than Ezra
*Bikini Kill
**Blind Melon
Bob Mould
*Bush
**Collective Soul
Counting Crows
***Dave Matthews Band
*Death Cab for Cutie
Doves
Elastica
Everclear
Feist
**Fiona Apple
Flogging Molly
Fountains of Wayne
**Franz Ferdinand
*Garbage
***Gin Blossoms
Goldfinger
Goldfrapp
**Gorillaz
*Hole
Jimmy Eat World
Joanna Newsom
*Kings of Leon
*Lenny Kravitz
Linkin Park
*Live
**Liz Phair
M83
*Manic Street Preachers
Mazzy Star
*Mike Patton
***Modest Mouse
My Chemical Romance
Neko Case
*Neutral Milk Hotel
No Doubt
Of Montreal
OK Go
Phoenix
Porno For Pyros
***Portishead
*Primus
Puddle of Mudd
**Queens of the Stone Age
*Rilo Kiley
Ryksopp
**Sleater-Kinney
Snow Patrol
Soul Coughing
Spiritualized
*Spoon
Stereophonics
***Sublime
*Sum 41
Switchfoot
*Tegan & Sara
*The Avett Brothers
*The Black Keys
The Cranberries
*The Dandy Warhols
The Decemberists
The Futureheads
The Hives
*The Killers
The National
*The New Pornographers
*The Strokes
**The Verve
The Verve Pipe
The Vines
Three Days Grace
Toad the Wet Sprocket
*Tori Amos
*TV on the Radio
Uncle Tupelo
Velvet Revolver
Veruca Salt
***Wilco
*Yeah Yeah Yeahs
*Yellowcard

Posted by SotN on Sunday, 09.7.14 @ 20:07pm


I thought I had made a post in here, but perhaps I did not.

I will be voting for Captain Beefheart, Lou Reed, The Fall, Neu! and Wilco this next round.

Those are five acts that:

1) I unequivocally believe have the credentials to be worth inducting on an objective level.

2) I can actually conceive of having the support to be inducted in the upcoming round.

3) I absolutely love (with the exception of Neu! who are worthy enough anyway)


I will utilize my sixth spot to get a remaining genre leader in that I feel is deserving (Bill Withers or De La Soul or Yo La Tengo).

I will utilize my final slot for a very modern act that I feel is deserving (LCD Soundsystem or Animal Collective or Yeah Yeah Yeahs, etc.)

Posted by Casper on Monday, 09.8.14 @ 17:12pm


Vote Recipients From Last Year:

The Chemical Brothers - 8
The Guess Who - 8

The Shangri La's - 7

Neu! - 6
LCD Soundsystem - 6

De La Soul - 5

Foreigner - 4
Lou Reed - 4

Captain Beefheart - 3
Carole King - 3

Wilco - 2
Sweet - 2
Cliff Richard & the Shadows - 2
Mary J. Blige - 2
Mariah Carey - 2
The Dells - 2
The Alan Parsons Project - 2
Three Dog Night - 2
The Moonglows - 2
The Small Faces - 2
Phish - 2
A Tribe Called Quest - 2
Blood, Sweat & Tears - 2

Billy Idol -1
Poco - 1
Ministry - 1
Badfinger - 1
The Human League - 1
Portishead - 1
The Commodores - 1
George Michael - 1
Elliot Smith - 1
Fugazi - 1
Sublime - 1
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan - 1
Tori Amos - 1
Tangerine Dream - 1
Yellow Magic Orchestra - 1
Paul Revere & the Raiders - 1
Phil Collins - 1
J. Geils Band - 1
Bachman-Turner Overdrive - 1
Boston - 1
Carly Simon - 1
The Tokens - 1
Boogie Down Productions - 1
The Prodigy - 1
Queens of the Stone Age - 1
Collective Soul - 1
The Fat Boys - 1
Real McCoy - 1
Gin Blossoms - 1




Non Performer:


Thom Bell - 4

Don Kirshner - 3

Norman Petty - 2
Richard Perry - 2
Frankie Knuckles - 2
Doctor Demento - 2
Brendan O'Brien - 2

Bob Ezrin - 1
Jon Landau - 1
Boudleaux & Felice Bryant - 1
Hipgnosis - 1
John R. - 1
Bob Crewe - 1
Danger Mouse - 1
Simon Cowell - 1



Influences:

John Cage - 5
Sarah Vaughan - 5

Amos Milburn - 4

Lonnie Donnegan - 3
Andy Williams - 3

Memphis Minnie - 2
Conway Twitty - 2
Harry Belafonte - 2

The Louvin Brothers - 1
The Four Aces - 1
Johnny Moore's Three Blazers - 1
Stan Kenton - 1
Ahmad Jamal - 1



Sideman:


"Daddy" Gene Barge - 4
Dick Parry - 4
The Roots - 4
Bob Babbitt - 4

Jennifer Batten - 3
Clarence Clemons - 3

Jimmy Page - 2

Cornell DuPree - 1
Gail Ann Dorsey - 1
Carlos Alomar - 1
Tim Capello - 1
Paul Carrack - 1
Ellie Greenwich - 1
Eddie Martinez - 1
Mark Rivera - 1
Slash - 1

Posted by Casper on Monday, 09.8.14 @ 17:20pm


Looks like Mariah Carey was the only act to not make our extended Rock Rankings list (to #500) and still received multiple votes last year (not counting LCD Soundsystem who I don't believe was eligible when we compiled that).

Posted by Casper on Monday, 09.8.14 @ 17:30pm


"I will be voting for Captain Beefheart, Lou Reed, The Fall, Neu! and Wilco this next round."

Casper - We're pretty much on the same page this year. Beefheart, Reed, Neu! and Wilco are locks for me. The Fall is really close to a lock. I'm pretty much weighing them and Bauhaus, since they've both done well in the past and both are plenty due. Of course, I could always vote for both.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 09.8.14 @ 18:24pm


For my future ballot I'm looking seriously considering these acts.

The Raspberries
Captain Beefheart
Animal Collective
Lou Reed
Carole King
Carly Simon
Poco
De La Soul
Neil Sedaka
Tori Amos
Fiona Apple
Wilco
Bad Brains
Ohio Players
Badfinger

N-P

Freddie Knuckles
Neil Bogart
Richard Barrett
Joe Gottfried and Tom Skeeter (sound city studios)
Kara Dioguardi
Jimmy Iovine
Jim Steinman
Dezmond Child

Influences:

Johnnie Ray
Sarah Vaughan
Amos Milburn
The Seekers
The Brothers Four

Sidemen:

Michael McDonold
Cornell DuPree
The Dixie Flyers
Bob Babbitt

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 09.8.14 @ 18:47pm


The category I've been waiting for the most. The one's from Darren's list that I most support:

Alanis Morissette
Cake
Dave Matthews Band
Fiona Apple
Franz Ferdinand
Garbage
Hole
Lenny Kravitz
Live
Liz Phair
Muse
No Doubt
Portishead
Queens of the Stone Age
Tegan & Sara
The Black Keys
The Breeders
The Charlatans UK
The Cranberries
The Killers

A lot of these really need more time before final judgement is passed (Tegan & Sara, Black Keys, etc).

I will be writing a lengthier plea for Live in a few days, but I urge everyone to take a longer look at them.

Posted by jtrichey on Tuesday, 09.9.14 @ 13:40pm


"A lot of these really need more time before final judgement is passed (Tegan & Sara, Black Keys, etc)."

I feel exactly the same way. Particularly about Tegan & Sara and Black Keys as well as St. Vincent and Spoon, anther couple acts that I think very well may have HoF credentials up the road.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 09.9.14 @ 16:22pm


I was about to say the same thing, jtrichey.

Black Keys are guys that I think will be worthy, but not yet.

All of these names are possibilities:
Alanis Morissette
Bikini Kill
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Blind Melon
Blitzen Trapper
Bush
Cake
Dave Matthews Band
Evanescence
Franz Ferdinand
Garbage
Gorillaz
Grizzly Bear
Interpol
Jamiroquai
Lenny Kravitz
Linkin Park
M83
Manic Street Preachers
Marcy Playground
Metric
Modest Mouse
Muse
Neutral Milk Hotel
No Doubt
Of Montreal
Phoenix
Sublime
The Black Keys
The Cranberries
The Decemberists
The Hives
The Killers
The Postal Service
The Strokes
The Vines
TV on the Radio
Yeah Yeah Yeahs

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 09.10.14 @ 00:20am


I think we all agree on The Black Keys. On another note, a strong vote getter from last time I can't see myself voting for at all is The Chemical Brothers. Too many other priorities.

As others have declared, I too am voting for:
Captain Beefheart
Lou Reed
Neu!

All past due and near-locks for this year's vote. They don't need my votes, but they're getting them anyway.

I would like to make a strong push for Fugazi, possibly the greatest post-hardcore band ever, and the one we need to define the genre and its popular spinoffs that isn't Husker Du.

Also, if everyone can get behind one classic rock favorite, we can probably get in either Boston, Blue Oyster Cult, Foreigner, or REO Speedwagon. I think any one of them would add some nice "star power" to our class. Which do you find most deserving?

Finally, Elliott Smith, my favorite artist who isn't in RHP. One of the most distinctive vocalist and haunting singer-songwriters of intimate indie harmonies. He deserves it.

Posted by Paul K on Wednesday, 09.10.14 @ 13:57pm


I would say that my only two locks at this point are Lou Reed and The Guess Who. I'd personally prefer to give The Guess Who another push this year over other classic rock bands, as they were right on the cusp last year and if |I remember correctly a couple of voters stated they just missed their ballots.

I will admit to being biased as they are my personal favourite band that we haven't inducted, but they are the biggest Canadian band that isn't in yet, were the first Canadian group to put a song at the top of the US Billboard Hot 100, and occasionally are cited as influences on some of the bands in the arena rock scene like Boston and Foreigner.

I would really support a push for Bauhaus and Fugazi, as I feel they are true leaders of their sub-genres (Goth and Post-Hardcore). They are the most likely non-mainstream bands that I would throw support behind. If these bands can't get enough support though, I'd be willing to support something similar.

From the rap scene, I'd probably throw a vote to De La Soul.

My remaining two would probably go to a 90's alt-rock band (No Doubt and Dave Matthews Band are most likely to get my vote, but since my ballot is male-heavy I'd also consider Alanis, Hole or Garbage), and an early indie rock artist.

I'd be most likely to support Elliott Smith, Modest Mouse or Yo La Tengo, and can't see myself voting for anybody from the scene that debuted in this millennium.

Posted by BSLO on Wednesday, 09.10.14 @ 17:39pm


My locks this year are:

The Shangri-Las
The Commodores
LCD Soundsystem
Captain Beefheart (based on the others mentioning him).

I am also seriously considering Fugazi, Justin Timberlake (my past votes for George Michael, and either R. Kelly or Mary J. Blige. I'm open to other considerations, but this will likely be close to what I eventually vote for.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 09.10.14 @ 18:36pm


Don't all of you forget about Bill Withers. He was the most talked about artist from the first 3-4 months of our monthly discussions.

Posted by jtrichey on Wednesday, 09.10.14 @ 23:15pm


Now for my previously promised post on Live. I really don't know what kind of reputation they have around here, or around the world, but I sometimes get the feeling that it is not real strong, which is a shame. They were my favorite 90s band, so I'm definitely biased, but then again how would any band get in without somebody's bias?

Live is one of those bands that met as kids in elementary and middle school. That has nothing to do with why they are hall worthy, but I think it's interesting how bands like that can really hone their craft so well in their younger years.

They are of course known for the album Throwing Copper which may have been the dominant sound of rock music for the last half of 1994 and the first half of 1995. They were voted as the Artist of the Year in the once important Rolling Stone Reader's poll in 1995. That Rolling Stone magazine never really gave them any coverage is perplexing, and at least a small reason they are not thought of that highly anymore. If you think of 90s rock, you have the obvious 1st tier of Hall of Fame slam dunks (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden). After those 5 acts though it's hard to make an argument that Live is not in the second tier, and easy to make an argument that they are at the top of the second tier with Alice in Chains, Green Day, Stone Temple Pilots.

Again their canon of songs goes well beyond Throwing Copper. I'm just going to list a song or two from each album that I recommend that you listen to if you are not already familiar. I think these songs show both musical talent and incredible lyrical talent.

From Mental Jewelry (1991):
Pain Lies on the Riverside (intense song showing an already fully formed and functional band)
Operation Spirit

From Throwing Copper (1994)-8x platinum by the way:
You probably know their hits, but it is hard to beat Lightning Crashes from a lyrical standpoint
but the lesser known T.B.D. and White, Discussion are also top notch songs and huge highlights of a huge album.

From Secret Samadhi (1997) 2x platinum
This album was not the greatest follow up to their huge Throwing Copper and is probably the biggest reason they aren't considered great. One great tune to check out is Heropsychodreamer.

From The Distance to Here (1999) platinum
In my opinion, their best album. I feel like if this album had followed Throwing Copper then Live would be set as an all time great. Alas, that is not what happened. Check out:
Feel the Quiet River Rage
Meltdown
They Stood Up for Love

From V (2001)
Forever May Not Be Long Enough
Overcome

After this Ed Kowalcyzk seemed to find religion and quite frankly his song writing went down the crapper. Still there are plenty of Hall of Famers who did not even make it to 5 great albums before falling off. So anyway, consider Live's place among the 90s rock scene and give some of these songs a listen if you will. That is all.

Posted by jtrichey on Wednesday, 09.10.14 @ 23:48pm


Don't all of you forget about Bill Withers. He was the most talked about artist from the first 3-4 months of our monthly discussions.

Posted by jtrichey on Wednesday, 09.10.14 @ 23:15pm

Nor Bad Brains, whom were the most talked about a month or so ago.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 09.11.14 @ 01:37am


@jtrichey: I'm with you on Bill Withers. My #1 agenda is getting Tom Lehrer in as an Influence, but Withers is my #1 realistic priority as an Artist for the Rock Hall Projected this year.

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 09.11.14 @ 02:15am


jtrichey & PopeCharming-

Make that three for Bill Withers. He is my top priority for solo artists this year and along with Dionne Warwick and Dave Matthews Band is one of the artists I'm supporting them most.

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 09.11.14 @ 11:14am


This is my top 20:

1. Lou Reed
2. Brian Eno
3. A Tribe Called Quest
4. Neu!
5. Wilco
6. LCD Soundsystem
7. Pulp
8. Paul Butterfield Blues Band
9. De La Soul
10. The Shangri Las
11. The Crystals
12. Sweet
13. Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
14. Gary Numan / Tubeway Army
15. Queens of the Stone Age
16. The Commodores/Lionel Richie
17. Bad Brains
18. System of a Down
19. Chubby Checker
20. No Doubt

Based on what I'm seeing from other people, the following acts are locks: Lou Reed, Neu!, Wilco and LCD Soundsystem. One spot will be A Tribe Called Quest or De La Soul. The other two spots are up in the air.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 09.11.14 @ 16:10pm


Withers is a strong contender for one of my final two spots. I'm reserving a spot for an R & B act and I think he's a solid pick and seems to have some momentum.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 09.11.14 @ 17:29pm


I, too, will support Bill Withers for the Rock Hall projected. Here are my other picks for the next vote:

Lou Reed
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Captain Beefheart
Alanis Morissette
The Dells
The Shangri-La's

I will reserve De La Soul in case they don't have enough support.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 09.11.14 @ 19:19pm


This is what my ballot looks like at the moment:

Stone Cold Locks:

Bill Withers
Dave Matthews Band
Dionne Warwick

Almost Locks:

The Guess Who
Three Dog Night

In The Running:

Foreigner
Styx
Supertramp
Carly Simon
Paul Revere & The Raiders
The Dells
Kool & The Gang
Boston
The Association

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 09.11.14 @ 19:25pm


Seeing Bill Withers' momentum, I'll jump in to assist getting him in as well. He'll take my '70s Soul/R&B spot from the Commodores this go-round.

Posted by Ian on Thursday, 09.11.14 @ 19:38pm


Things are still a bit in the air for me at this point, and I am happy to hear good arguments from everybody on behalf of their favorites, and I understand a certain amount of wheeling and dealing might take place.

My ballot will ~probably~ include:

1. Mariah Carey- She's had an insane, Beatlesque number of hits, is a great vocal talent, and found a sweet spot between R&B and Pop, in a career with amazing longevity. I don't listen to her very often, but this is a major snub on our part.


2. Bill Withers

3. Either Carole King or Carly Simon, but those of inclined toward female singer-songwriters need to pick one of them and consolidate our vote. I'd prefer King, but will defer to Simon if there's enough support.

4. De La Soul: They came close last year, and I think they should have priority over the also-worthy A Tribe Called Quest.

5. Three Dog Night: Lots of hits, three distinctive vocalists- and more importantly, I want to clear the queue for America next year.

The sixth and seventh spots? Some acts I'm considering are: Gin Blossoms, TLC, Sting, Pat Benatar, Chemical Brothers, Edgar Winter Group, Boyz II Men, Sheryl Crow, Supertramp, Fiona Apple, Lenny Kravitz, Phil Collins, and DMB. But, again, I'm open to suggestion.


--And I feel I should give a shout-out to three artists who I love, and who I want to see inducted, but don't have the support this year: America, Indigo Girls, and Jimmy Buffett.

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 09.11.14 @ 20:51pm


Here are some notable artists that are eligible for this project for the first time this year:

Danger Mouse
Death From Above 1979
Eagles of Death Metal
Franz Ferdinand
Grizzly Bear
Gwen Stefani
The Hold Steady
Joanna Newsom
The Killers
Manchester Orchestra
Matisyahu
Pitbull
Sara Bareilles
Scissor Sisters
Sugarland
Velvet Revolver
Wolfmother
Zac Brown Band

I don't see any artists that are likely to get voted in this year, but the most likely candidates are probably The Killers and Franz Ferdinand, two of the best indie / alt rock bands of the last decade. If Wolfmother were more prolific, I think that they could have been a contender. The Hold Steady is a personal favorite of mine from this class, but there are a LOT of indie bands that are a higher priority (and more well-known as well). Velvet Revolver is another band that had the chops to be a HOF contender, but they couldn't stay together long enough to build their resume.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 09.12.14 @ 00:47am


My top priorities this year (no guaranteed votes, though):

LCD Soundsystem - Close, but no cigar the last few years. One of the most innovative bands of the last 20 years. There's really something to be said about going out on top.

Queens Of The Stone Age - The best, most unique and most consistent hard rock band since the end of the grunge era, hot off yet another brilliant album. They seem to be on a lot of voter's lists, so I think a campaign for this year is worthwhile.

System Of A Down - The next band in the bloodline of The Clash, Public Enemy and Rage Against The Machine.

The Jesus And Mary Chain - An overlooked 80's / 90's alt-rock band and the pinnacle of a genre that they helped to create (shoegaze), which is still thriving.

The Guess Who - My classic rock band of choice until they get voted in. There are a lot of 60's / 70's / 80's classic rock bands that are worthy of consideration, but The Guess Who (and to a lesser degree Three Dog Night) stand out from a crowded pack.

Lou Reed - He should have been in a long time ago. I'm glad that we're finally figuring out that dynamic solo artists are worthy of induction even if their original bands are already in (reference Ozzy from last year).

Fugazi (on their own or as a joint nominee with Minor Threat) - A brilliant and incredibly important 80's punk band. As far as important 80's punk bands go, Fugazi belong in the same conversation with Dead Kennedys, Husker Du and Black Flag, all of whom have been voted in already.


My ballot will probably feature many if not most of those artists, but I'd also strongly consider:

Dave Matthews Band - They never seem to get much respect in these projects, but if they get some support this year, it's very likely I'll put them on my ballot.

The Chemical Brothers - LCD Soundsystem is a higher priority for me personally, but if the votes go to Chemical Brothers, I'll support them as they're also worthy and their genre is under-represented.

Modest Mouse - Probably the next indie / alternative artist I start pushing for when / if Queens of the Stone Age is voted in.

Nas - The biggest name / best artist in rap / hip hop that has yet to be inducted. One of the best rap lyricists of all-time.

Three Dog Night - Probably the next classic rock artist that I support. They've been a strange blind spot in these projects for some reason.

Bright Eyes
Cypress Hill
Death Cab For Cutie
Dinosaur Jr.
Echo And The Bunnymen
Fiona Apple
Franz Ferdinand

Generation X / Billy Idol - Warren Zevon once said that Billy Idol was one of the best songwriters of his generation. A highly under-rated punk artist, probably due to his crossover appeal.

Gorillaz

Hole - I get it. Courtney Love's personality is virtually unlikable, but her band made several amazing albums.

Iggy Pop
Interpol

Joan Jett And The Blackhearts - Sort of the same deal as Billy Idol. Her popularity seems to take away from her rep as an artist, but I don't think it should.

Kings Of Leon
Kool And The Gang

Korn - If we ever decide to induct a pure nu-metal band, it should definitely be Korn, one of the best metal bands of recent memory.

Liz Phair
Mary J. Blige
Muse
No Doubt
Patsy Cline
Salt N Pepa
Screaming Trees
Sleater-Kinney
Social Distortion
Sting
Sublime

Supertramp - We seem to be building a Song / Album Project resume for them in the past few months.

The Black Keys
The Hold Steady

The Killers - The top candidate from the new class, imo. Tons of hits and consistent levels of quality.

The National
The Shins
The Strokes
They Might Be Giants
Tori Amos
TV on the Radio

Violent Femmes - Next in line after Fugazi and The Jesus And Mary Chain

White Zombie
Wilco
Willie Nelson
Wolfmother
Yeah Yeah Yeahs

Posted by Darren on Friday, 09.12.14 @ 01:35am


Could someone give me some essential Bill Withers recordings that I should check out? I obviously know "Ain't No Sunshine" and "Lean on Me," but that's it and its why I'm a little hesitant on if I want to throw a vote his way.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 09.12.14 @ 11:48am


He's a borderline vote for me, but he seems to be getting a lot of momentum this year.

Along with "Ain't No Sunshine" and "Lean On Me", there's also "Use Me", "Lovely Day" and "Just The Two Of Us".

Posted by Darren on Friday, 09.12.14 @ 12:20pm


Darren gave some other notable Bill Withers songs. Check out the album, "Still Bill" on Spotify which is his most acclaimed album. It has "Use Me," and "Lean on Me" on it.

Also check out the song "Grandma's Hands." It was sampled by Blackstreet for "No Diggity." Trust me, you'll hear it.

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 09.12.14 @ 14:20pm


Bill Withers, along with The Spinners, was one of those artists that was a blind spot until I started participating in these projects. I recognized all of their songs as they were nominated, but I never realized that a. I didn't know who sang those songs and b. they were all sang by the same artist(s). lol

Withers is sort of the answer to the question: "Who wrote that 70's R&B song that wasn't written by Al Green, Marvin Gaye or Stevie Wonder?"

Posted by Darren on Friday, 09.12.14 @ 15:06pm


My locks: Lou Reed, Captain Beefheart, Johnny Winter, Little Feat, Animal Collective, LCD Soundsystem

Others I'm considering:

Carole King
Carly Simon
Bill Withers
The Raspberries
Poco
Tori Amos
Teena Marie
Fiona Apple
Badfinger
The Guess Who
Commodores
Kool & The Gang
Ohio Players

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 09.13.14 @ 23:40pm


Thanks to everyone for their recommendations on Bill Withers. I moved him up on my queue so that I can consider him as a potential option. I also moved up some acts that look to have some support. Here is a updated top-20:

1. Lou Reed
2. De La Soul
3. Neu!
4. LCD Soundsystem
5. Wilco
6. Brian Eno
7. A Tribe Called Quest
8. Pulp
9. The Shangri Las
10. Paul Butterfield Blues Band
11. The Crystals
12. Bill Withers
13. Sweet
14. Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
15. Dave Matthews Band
16. Queens of the Stone Age
17. Gary Numan / Tubeway Army
18. The Commodores/Lionel Richie
19. Bad Brains
20. The Guess Who

The Top-5 are locks and the last 2 will come from the other 15 based on where I feel like my vote can come into help.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 09.16.14 @ 09:25am


In terms of my other category votes:

Non-Performer:

Alexis Korner
Butch Vig

Shocked that neither of these two have even been considered.

Influences:

John Cage
Loretta Lynn

Loretta Lynn was/is badass!

Sidemen:

Panama Francis
Tackhead

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 09.16.14 @ 09:29am


As far as the secondary categories, I've got John Cage and Lonnie Donegan as locks for Influence, but I'm open to arguments and suggestions on the other categories.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 09.16.14 @ 17:50pm


Hi everyone...

Just a reminder that the Pope Charming Challenge is still going on-- its your chance to determine which 192 eligible artists should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. For the rules, see my post on this board on August 24h at 20:33, or visit my blog at:

https://northumbriancountdown.wordpress.com/2014/09/06/my-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-challenge/

Submissions are due on the 25th.

Posted by Pope Charming on Tuesday, 09.16.14 @ 20:45pm


Hello everyone!

I notice that I have not made any important statements pertaining to our Crown Jewel; the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project for the Class of 2030. None the less, I am now in a more certain position to bring forth a potential ballot for the months to come. First, these artists are virtual locks to be on my ballot.


Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
Bill Withers
Lou Reed


These artists are on my shortlist to be inducted:

Muse
The Killers
The Black Keys
Carly Simon
Tori Amos
Sarah McLachlan
Mike Oldfield
Tangerine Dream
Olivia Newton-John
Mariah Carey
Spinal Tap
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews
Phil Collins
Neu!
Gary Numan
Robert Palmer
Nas
The Fugees
Tears For Fears
Joe Jackson
Ryuchi Sakamoto


These artists I might well consider in the weeks ahead.

Spoon
De La Soul
10cc
Jean Michel Jarre
Mellissa Etheridge
LCD Soundsystem
Dream Theater
Johnny Winter
Edgar Winter
Lionel Richie
Huey Lewis
Sheryl Crow
The Stylistics
Ray LaMontagne
Vangelis
The Go-Go's
L7
Snoop Dogg
Dan Fogelberg
Blood, Sweat & Tears
TV On The Radio
Sade

Well, that is what I am either putting forth as definite artists on my ballot, or potential picks for the final ballot. Once again, my locks are Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project, Lou Reed and Bill Withers. Possibly this will include Tears For Fears. Let me know what you fellow posters think of these artists.

Two of the locks will likely receive an honor not given in their time in this world,

Lax31

Posted by Lax31 on Tuesday, 09.16.14 @ 22:52pm


Yes, what about Andreas Vollenweider and Shadowfax?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 09.17.14 @ 10:03am


I'm thinking about voting for The Love Unlimited Orchestra in the sidemen category. What do you think sidemen or performer?

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 09.17.14 @ 13:50pm


I had mentioned earlier that I would be voting for Captain Beefheart, Lou Reed, The Fall, Neu! and Wilco this next round.


I have narrowed down the final two slots to three options:

De La Soul
LCD Soundsystem
Bill Withers

I will make a decision on this soon and have my seven choices locked.

I will also be voting for John Cage as an Influence. No plans to toss out any more votes for the other side categories though.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 09.17.14 @ 15:10pm


The Bill Withers train has definitely snuck up on everyone at the exact same time...I downloaded The Essential Bill Withers months back and was pretty much blown away by the deeper cuts and the depth of his discography. No doubt in my mind that he's absolutely deserving of induction.

I was listening to LCD Soundsystem's live album for the first time the other night and it all came together to me as far as their credentials are concerned. Their overall output is a bit small, especially for an act that basically landed on people's radar in the mid-00s, but what James Murphy managed to do was pretty incredible. I don't think they're more deserving than Wilco or Spoon or Animal Collective or Elliot Smith, etc. but they're worthy enough and the support is there, so why not?

De La Soul is an act that I'm not really a fan of, but I do think they're the most important hip hop act sitting outside our Hall (just ahead of Nas and A Tribe Called Quest, respectively). They probably have the best credentials of these three artists that I'm considering.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 09.17.14 @ 15:19pm


As I posted there (it was PopeCharming's idea to research and post this, but I had already sorted this previously in a document on my computer, so I'll save him some time), these are the artists that have the most songs in The Song Project that are NOT in the Projected Hall. Who has the strongest credentials here?

Mariah Carey has 5.

Muse has 4.

3 songs each:
Adele
America
Badfinger
Billy Idol
The Black Keys
Blue Oyster Cult
Boston
Cyndi Lauper
Dr. Dre
Garbage
George Michael
The Guess Who
Huey Lewis and the News
Iggy Pop (solo)
Joan Jett (and the Blackhearts)
Justin Timberlake
KoRn
LCD Soundsystem
Lenny Kravitz
MGMT
Modest Mouse
Nas
No Doubt
Pat Benatar
The Strokes
Styx
Supertramp
Tears for Fears

Posted by Paul K on Thursday, 09.18.14 @ 00:01am


Is there support for Little Feat?

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 09.22.14 @ 09:52am


Hey PopeCharming, just to let you know I haven't forgotten about your challenge. I told you I'm a horrible procrastinator, but I'm just about done.

Just a question for everyone else... anyone else run up against that wall where you have several acts you love, but you feel are less deserving than acts who are in, and can't decide whether to go with merit or personal taste? I'm at that wall right now, deciding whether to climb it, go around it, or knock it down.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 09.23.14 @ 01:24am


Thanks, Philip! And for everyone else (Paul? Tom?) I'm still happy to receive any submissions for the challenge.

I completely agree about hitting a wall. It's so easy to say "Artist X deserves to be in", but if there's limited room, you have to kick another artist out to make room. I tried, in my own list, not to be too iconoclastic, but there were a lot of overlooked artists who deserved to be in. And yes-- it is very hard to be objective; oftentimes we trick ourselves into thinking our personal favorites are, objectively, the more significant artists.

Posted by PopeCharming on Tuesday, 09.23.14 @ 09:58am


List emailed off to you; hopefully you've received it. Yeah, removed a lot of names I didn't think I'd be removing, but compared to some of the acts I switched in, I think I overall made good calls. Hopefully you're at the very least amused. Wouldn't be averse to sharing lists later on.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 09.24.14 @ 11:39am


PopeCharming-

Not sure if I'm the last one but I just sent off my list to you for your challenge.

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 09.24.14 @ 13:53pm


I have deemed myself worthy of submitting two ballots in our next RHP election. Indeed, I shall submit two.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 09.24.14 @ 15:48pm


Bauhaus has come close several times recently. I'm 100% back behind them this year.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 09.24.14 @ 19:04pm


Maybe the people who get their hands dirty and participate in the projects that keep this site afloat all year should get two ballots and the people who pop in once a year and try to take over for a month or two should get a half ballot.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 09.24.14 @ 20:27pm


I agree with Darin's statement. Unless this is some joke and I am not sure if it is, those who intentionally vote twice will not have either vote counted.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 09.24.14 @ 20:55pm


But my tastes are clearly superior...

How about I come up with a fifteen name ballot and then you all can vote on it for this year's seven inductees? It makes more sense to keep out of the hands of some of the John Q. Public's that visit this site, lest we have an inductee such as Boston or Three Dog Night.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 09.25.14 @ 02:35am


"the people who pop in once a year and try to take over for a month or two should get a half ballot."

ayyyy

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 09.25.14 @ 18:45pm


Excuse me, but I'm kind of lost. I seriously don't know what is being said tongue-in-cheek, or said seriously, nor can I figure out what started this conversation.

What is going on?

Posted by jtrichey on Thursday, 09.25.14 @ 23:20pm


I'm just messing around with people. I feel they're doing the same.

As far as this project is concerned, everything will proceed like normal and begin once the actual nominees are revealed.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.26.14 @ 03:35am


Unless, of course, our project is inundated by irate Stevie Nicks fans.

Posted by PopeCharming on Friday, 09.26.14 @ 05:34am


Maybe a class of undeserving solo artists from already inducted bands?

Stevie Nicks
Steve Winwood
Mick Jagger

I'm sure it would give Jann a stiffy.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.26.14 @ 16:17pm


I am now confirming that LCD Soundsystem will be the seventh and final performer name on my ballot. Giving them the edge because we need to induct more modern artists as they've been given short shrift in this project. Inducting De La Soul or Bill Withers would be awesome, but we have plenty of rap/soul acts already (along with acts from the 70s/80s/90s). Time for another electronic act and another 00s act.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.26.14 @ 17:39pm


Ah, just realizing I would have two open slots. I will go for Bill Withers instead of De La Soul then. He has a deeper discography and probably a slightly more influential career.

My ballot will be:

Captain Beefheart
The Fall
LCD Soundsystem
Neu!
Lou Reed
Wilco
Bill Withers

Influence:

John Cage

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.26.14 @ 17:49pm


With apologies to Roy, October has arrived; and to prove it, it's here! With that in mind, when should we commence in voting for our Crown Jewel, the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project? I do understand the time to usually start would be once the Rock Hall nominations for 2015 are announced. I was thinking, though, of probably going a step further and announce our class of new inductees perhaps before the nominees are announced. That we, we could potentially influence who might potentially be inducted if possible. However, I would not have a problem if it goes to our usual route.

Guess the artist I am thinking of inducting in one of the categories from the first sentence:),

Lax31

Posted by Lax31 on Wednesday, 10.1.14 @ 20:51pm


Everyone who participates in this project expects voting to start the same day that the nominations come out. If we had the vote before the nominations came out, it would catch a lot of people off guard and they wouldn't be able to participate, so I don't think we can do that.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.7.14 @ 00:09am


Just a head's up, but the RNR HOF tweeted out that the nominees will be revealed tomorrow morning.

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 10.8.14 @ 21:52pm


Do we want to set a hard start time on voting like we did last year?

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.8.14 @ 22:32pm


If the nominees are indeed announced tomorrow, voting here will start a week from tomorrow at noon Eastern.

Tentatively voting will start: 10/15/2014 12:00PM ET

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.8.14 @ 22:49pm


And voting will last full week until the following Wednesday at noon Eastern: 10/22/2014 12:00PM ET.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.8.14 @ 22:56pm


My ballot is shaking out to:

definite:
LCD Soundsystem
The Guess Who
The Chemical Brothers
Bill Withers

likely:
Sweet
Muse
Liz Phair

considering:
Anthrax
Billy Idol
Supertramp
Pat Benatar
Midnight Oil
Snoop Dogg
Bauhaus
Gang of Four
Foreigner
Mariah Carey
Diana Ross
Huey Lewis
Aphex Twin
Fatboy Slim
Pet Shop Boys

what about?
DJ Kool Herc for influence?
Perry Ferrell or Jon Landau for executive/non-performer? (Yes, Ferrell is a performer, but his influence on the festival has become undeniably HUGE).
Rick Derringer for sideman?

Posted by jtrichey on Thursday, 10.9.14 @ 00:19am


With our vote coming up, I hope that everyone taking part will consider Tom Lehrer as an influence. We have so many blues, country, and jazz artists listed as influences, I wonder whether we should start looking at other genres to widen the net a bit.

Lehrer was a Harvard-educated Math professor who was also a rollickingly funny pianist who dared to address our country's biggest and most malignant problems during an age of twee Levittown conformity. (According to urban legend, also invented the jello-shot.) His musicianship involved a series of satirical albums that eviscerated Cold War orthodoxy with razor-sharp wit and sick humor. For a nerdy-looking figure playing piano in thick glasses and a suit and tie, he was strikingly dangerous for his time, and his albums were often banned from record stores.

"We Will All Go Together When We Go" lambasted mutually assured destruction, "I Wanna Go Back to Dixie" called out Southern nostalgia for its oppressive Jim Crow system, and "Send the Marines" skewered our interventionist foreign policy of the 50s and 60s. All of these points were made not in anger, but dripping with sarcastic glee. In an age when the pop charts were topped by sentimental pap like "The Old Lamp-lighter", Lehrer struck back with "The Old Dope Peddler" and perhaps his most famous tune, "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park". He has performed live only a handful of times since 1970 (he allegedly claimed that giving Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize made satire obsolete), but his legacy continues.

But how is he an influence on rock and roll, you might ask. Here's why. His songs like "The Elements" and "New Math" give him a claim for being the progenitor of nerd-rock. Moreover, at first, there was only one way to make a political point in the rock and roll universe- through earnest, usually folk-tinged protest. Peter Paul and Mary doing "Where Have All the Flowers Gone", Barry McGuire's "Eve of Destruction", Trini Lopez doing "If I Had a Hammer", and that sort of thing. We paid homage to that by inducted Pete Seeger as an influence that year.

Tom Lehrer provided another way-- not through sometimes-cloying earnestness, but through being funny, employing satire and absurdism in the defense of sanity, taking a bad idea too far just to show how bad it truly was.

Randy Newman cited him as an inspiration for "Political Science", calling him "one of the great American songwriters, without a doubt." Donald Fagan of Steely Dan claimed, "we also liked comic songwriting like Tom Lehrer...who wrote those grim, funny songs." Ben Folds argued that Lehrer showed him how to "use funny to highlight what's not funny," and Weird Al cites him, along with Allan Sherman, as one of his two greatest influences. "He set the bar for me," Yankovic once said. "And provided an example of how a nerdy kid with a weird sense of humor could find his way in the world."

Even today, traces of Lehrer's twisted, comic take on the world can be seen in Garfunkel & Oates, Flight of the Conchords, and They Might Be Giants. I hope that everyone voting on this will do a bit of homework on Lehrer's back catalog, and give him some consideration for the Influence vote for this year's Rock Hall Projected.

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 10.9.14 @ 19:27pm


I had originally claimed support for Captain Beefheart and Neu!, but I am distancing myself from them now.

I know that not all of my choices may garner enough support, but it all starts somewhere. These five ARE locks, regardless of how others vote:

Bill Withers
Elliott Smith
Fugazi
The Guess Who
Lou Reed
Mariah Carey


I am still deciding on the last one. I am pretty open towards should anyone have convincing arguments.

With Bill Withers and Lou Reed, I don't need much convincing.

Same with The Guess Who. I'd like a radio favorite classic rock artist to get it, and it seems like Boston, Blue Oyster, and Foreigner will have to wait another year.

Fugazi is a godfather of post-hardcore and hardcore punk would not exist as we know it without them. I encourage everyone to give them a last minute listen.

Elliott Smith was a man who just had hauntingly beautiful indie singer-songwriter music. He was the Nick Drake of his generation. I also urge everyone to give him a look.

Mariah Carey is the most represented Song Project artist not in. and she is a legend. We have Janet and Whitney. She was to the 90's and much of the 2000's what they were. She's an impressive vocalist and an icon who actually had staying power. Besides, we need a star power act on our list for ratings. ;)

Posted by Paul K on Thursday, 10.9.14 @ 21:37pm


I've come back around to not really knowing who all I'm voting for. My old pet causes, Neu! and Bauhaus will be back on my ballot for sure, as will Captain Beefheart, but I've wiped the slate clean and am reconsidering my entire ballot beyond that.

It seems that LCD Soundsystem has good momentum again this year, and I'd be perfectly happy with their induction, however I personally feel more compelled to support Aphex Twin and the Chemical Brothers first.

Also, my original ballot would have been a 100% sausagefest, which I hate. I haven't seen any huge public momentum for any female acts this year that I recall, but I'm mulling some over. (And jtrichey's support of Liz Phair continues to grab my attention on that front.)

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.9.14 @ 22:41pm


I am pretty much locked in for this year's voting, with six of my seven choices firmed up. This will be an odd year for me, as the only returning candidates from the past year are The Shangri-Las and LCD Soundsystem; I'm holding off on the Commodores this go-round to jump on the Bill Withers bandwagon, and I'm starting a push for Justin Timberlake instead of George Michael. I'm also gunning for Fugazi and Captain Beefheart this year as well.

The last slot is somewhat up for grabs, although my main focus has been to include either R. Kelly or Mary J. Blige in my vote for this year. I've been somewhat on the fence about which of the two I'd select; last year I went with Blige as it seemed she had more momentum with the focus on female artists that was being spread around at the time. I may go with R. Kelly this year instead; regardless, both are deserving of inclusion in our Hall. That said, I'd also be willing to join in on a push for another hip hop candidate if one looks to be in the offing. De La Soul seems to be the one most likely to garner attention, although they're not as far up on my personal list as other candidates.

Non-Performers for me this year will probably be Lee Hazelwood and the Belleville Three (Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson and Derrick May), the closest thing to a DJ Kool Herc-type figure in EDM. Influences will be the Louvin Brothers and Serge Gainsbourg; and Sidemen will be my old standbys of Carlos Alomar and Tim Cappello.

Posted by Ian on Friday, 10.10.14 @ 10:05am


I'm going to pledge my support to Neu! and Mariah Carey (two completely different artists, I know). Next year I might support Pat Benatar Liz Phair, but Mariah is the biggest female snub with any support unless we want to push Joan Jett and the Blackhearts.

Posted by The Aviator Dragon on Friday, 10.10.14 @ 11:19am


Another band that I've been contemplating for Projected this year is Ministry. I've been a little hesitant on them in the past, because I preferred the idea of seeing a few of the pioneering Industrial acts go in ahead of any more post-Industrial projects after the no-brainer of Nine Inch Nails, but I've kinda reassessed how I view Ministry in the musical landscape.

This is a band that evolved from some pretty wispy Synthpop, passed through post-Industrial for several albums and finally settled into a sound that owes more to Metal influences than true Industrial (though that element is still there).

Yes, in a perfect world I would put at least Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire (and possibly even Skinny Puppy) ahead of them on the Industrial/post-Industrial front, but I don't think that that is a truly fair assessment of the ground that Al Jourgensen and company have covered. And sometimes it doesn't hurt to veer toward commercial success and broader name value when you're just scratching the surface of certain avenues, I suppose.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.10.14 @ 23:20pm


We haven't really thought much about side-men this time around. I wonder if I could put forth:

1. Clarence Clemons: He came pretty close last year, but I think he needs to be recognized in his own right, apart from the E-street band.

2. Davey Johnston: Putting up with Elton John's erratic behavior and temper tantrums since 1972 deserves more than induction- it deserves sainthood. He stays out of the spotlight, but that's him playing guitar on 'Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting', 'The Bitch is Back', 'Crocodile Rock' and almost every Elton hit during the last 42 years.

3. Max Crook: His iconic keyboard solo on Del Shannon's "Runaway" is a watershed moment in the development of electronic music.

Posted by PopeCharming on Saturday, 10.11.14 @ 08:06am


My ballot is still undecided, although its starting to formulate in my head. I wanted to put an FYC for Bad Brains once again. It seems like they have support and respect from just about most of the voters on here, but they may get left behind again.

I'm also definitely leaning towards Bill Withers and the Guess Who. Either Tribe called Quest or De La Soul will get my rap pick, and I will definitely be choosing an electronic act of some sorts (whether it be Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, Pet Shop Boys, or someone else, I'm not positive yet.)

Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 10.14.14 @ 14:19pm


Just a heads up guys that voting with commence tomorrow at Noon Eastern time and will last one full week. Very much looking forward to see who we induct!

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.14.14 @ 18:28pm


My ballot seems to be shaking out like this:

Guaranteed votes:

LCD Soundsystem
Queens of the Stone Age
The Guess Who
Lou Reed

90% Guaranteed vote:

The Chemical Brothers


And then my final two votes will be determined based on how everyone else is voting (since we can't switch our votes in this project), pulled from these groups, sorted by preference:


90's / 00's Alternative:

Modest Mouse
System Of A Down
The Dave Matthews Band
Death Cab For Cutie
The National
White Zombie
Screaming Trees
Muse
The Strokes
Wilco
The Killers
TV on the Radio
Korn
The Black Keys
Sublime
The Shins
Yeah Yeah Yeahs


80's / 90's Alternative:

Fugazi
The Jesus And Mary Chain
Social Distortion
Violent Femmes
Dinosaur Jr.
Echo And The Bunnymen
They Might Be Giants


Singer / Songwriter:

Bill Withers
Tori Amos
Fiona Apple
Liz Phair
Sting


Rap / Hip Hop / R&B:

Nas
Cypress Hill
Salt N Pepa
Mary J. Blige


Classic Rock / Country:

Supertramp
Three Dog Night
Joan Jett And The Blackhearts
Willie Nelson
Patsy Cline

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 11:41am


Voting is open!

Everyone have fun!

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 12:11pm


My Ballot:

Bill Withers
Little Feat
LCD Soundsystem
Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band
Lou Reed
Johnny Winter
Queens Of The Stone Age

Non-Performers:

Frankie Knuckles
Jim Steinman

Influences:

Johnnie Ray
John Cage

Sidemen:

The Dixie Flyers
The Love Unlimited Orchestra

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 12:22pm


Just a reminder that there are no vote changes after 24 hours and you have to provide a complete ballot in at least the main artist section for your ballot to be counted.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 14:37pm


My ballot will be:

Captain Beefheart
The Fall
LCD Soundsystem
Neu!
Lou Reed
Wilco
Bill Withers

Influences:

John Cage

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 15:32pm


Time for a voting update!

Performers:

Captain Beefheart - 2
LCD Soundsystem - 2
Lou Reed - 2
Bill Withers - 2

The Fall
Little Feat
Neu!
Queens Of The Stone Age
Wilco
Johnny Winter


Non-Performers:

Frankie Knuckles
Jim Steinman


Influences:

John Cage - 2
Johnnie Ray


Sidemen:

The Dixie Flyers
The Love Unlimited Orchestra

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 15:35pm


My Ballot:

Performers:

Bill Withers
Dave Matthews Band
Three Dog Night
The Guess Who
Dionne Warwick
Supertramp
Paul Revere & The Raiders

Influences:

Tom Lehrer
Lonnie Donnegan

Non-Performers:

Hipgnosis
Doctor Demento

Sidemen:

The Love Unlimited Orchestra
Davey Johnston

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 16:29pm


Bill Withers
The Paul Buttefield Blues Band
Captain Beefheart
The Dells
LCD Sound System
Lou Reed
The Shangri-Las

Influence:
DJ Kool Herc
Andy Williams

Sidemen:
Dave Johnson
Dick Parry

Non-Performers:
Thom Bell
Jim Steinman

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 16:46pm


Bad Brains
Bauhaus
Captain Beefheart & His Magic band
The Fall
Liz Phair
Lou Reed
Neu!

Influence:

John Cage
Lonnie Donnegan

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 19:29pm


Performers:

Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - 4
Lou Reed - 4
Bill Withers - 4

LCD Soundsystem - 3

The Fall - 2
Neu! - 2
...............................................
Dave Matthews Band
Three Dog Night
The Guess Who
Dionne Warwick
Supertramp
Paul Revere & The Raiders
Bad Brains
Bauhaus
The Dells
Little Feat
Liz Phair
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Queens Of The Stone Age
The Shangri-Las
Wilco
Johnny Winter


Non-Performers:

Jim Steinman - 2
...............................................
Thom Bell
Doctor Demento
Hipgnosis
Frankie Knuckles



Influences:

John Cage - 3
Lonnie Donnegan - 2
...............................................
DJ Kool Herc
Tom Lehrer
Johnnie Ray
Andy Williams


Sidemen:

The Love Unlimited Orchestra - 2
...............................................
The Dixie Flyers
Dave Johnson
Davey Johnston
Dick Parry

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 20:08pm


I enjoyed the run-up to this year's Rock Hall Projected. Having first started posting here about a year ago, I'm very grateful for the community of rock and roll fans that we've established on FRL. You have all introduced me to some great music that otherwise would never have been on my radar.

My ballot:

Bill Withers
Carly Simon
Dave Matthews Band
De La Soul
Mariah Carey
The Guess Who
Three Dog Night

Influences:

John Cage
Tom Lehrer

Sidemen:

Clarence Clemons
Davey Johnston

Non-Performers:

Neil Walls (who runs this site)
Thom Bell

Posted by PopeCharming on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 20:37pm


Fugazi
Mariah Carey
Lou Reed
Neu!
Supertramp
The Guess Who
The Strokes

Influences:
Gene Autry
John Cage

Posted by The Aviator Dragon on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 21:29pm


My Rock Hall Projected ballot for the Class of 2030...

Performers

Phil Collins
The Alan Parsons Project
Three Dog Night
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Paul Revere & The Raiders
Joe South
Fanny

Non-Performers

Thom Bell
Hipgnosis

Influences

Andy Williams
The Four Aces

Side-Men

Ellie Greenwich
Bob Babbitt

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 21:43pm


Bill Withers
The Chemical Brothers
The Guess Who
LCD Soundsystem
Liz Phair
Muse
Supertramp

non-performer:
Jon Landau
Perry Farrell

sidemen:
Clarence Clemons
Rick Derringer

(I promoted DJ Kool Herc as an influence, but did not realize he was already in as a non-performer, so I will forego any influence vote)

Posted by jtrichey on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 22:43pm


I'll change my vote on "DJ Kool Herc" to Lonnie Donnegan.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 23:20pm


My ballot:

Performers:

Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band
Fugazi
R. Kelly
LCD Soundsystem
The Shangri-Las
Justin Timberlake
Bill Withers


Non-Performers:

The Belleville Three (Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson and Derrick May)
Lee Hazlewood


Influences:

John Cage
Serge Gainsbourg


Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar
The Love Unlimited Orchestra

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 23:30pm


Ballot 2014:

Bill Withers
Boston
Elliott Smith
Fugazi
The Guess Who
Lou Reed
Mariah Carey

Influences:
Dean Martin
Koji Kondo

Posted by Paul K on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 23:44pm


And now for the ballot everyone hoped would forget to be cast:

The Dells
The Moonglows
The Tokens
Bill Withers
The Shangri-Las
Huey Lewis And The News
The Guess Who

Non-Performers:
Thom Bell
Bob Crewe

Influences:
Amos Milburn
Fats Waller (two big names we struggled for in the blind vote, need to be included here)

Sidemen:
The Love Unlimited Orchestra
The Dreamlovers (backup vocal group for a lot of Cameo-Parkway records)

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.15.14 @ 23:51pm


Had no idea that Serge Gainsbourg wasn't inducted into this project yet. I'm now going to vote for him as an Influence.

Influences:

Serge Gainsbourg

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 00:04am


Since I'm still within my 24 hour grace period, I'll move my Bad Brains vote to Fugazi.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 00:33am


After doing some listening, I decided to change my vote for the Paul Butterfield Blues Band with Bauhaus.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 00:49am


OK...I guess it's time to do this:

Performers:
Bauhaus
Bill Withers
Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band
De La Soul
LCD Soundsystem
Lou Reed
Neu!
The Guess Who

Non-Performers:
Hipgnosis
Thom Bell

Early Influence:
Lonnie Donnegan
Tom Lehrer

Sidemen:
Clarence Clemons
The Love Unlimited Orchestra

Posted by SotN on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 03:12am


SotN- I hate to be the one to point this out, but you voted for eight artists, rather than seven. You might have to negate one of your choices (hopefully not Bill Withers, De La Soul, or The Guess Who).

Posted by PopeCharming on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 03:23am


PopeCharming: Not a problem! First time nervousness, second time success.

It's a hard choice (very hard one), but I'll drop my vote for Captain Beefheart.

Posted by SotN on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 04:03am


My Ballot:

Blink 182
The Commodores
Fugazi
The Guess Who
LCD Soundsystem
Three Dog Night
Dionne Warwick

Influences:

John Cage
Fats Waller

Non Perfs:

Perry Farrell
Hipgnosis

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 08:03am


Performers:

1. Bad Brains
2. The Guess Who
3. Bill Withers
4. De La Soul
5. The Dells
6. The Chemical Brothers
7. System of a Down

Non-Performers:

1. Frankie Knuckles
2. Hipgnosis (Storm Thorgerson, Aubrey Powell, Peter Christopherson)

Influences:

1. John Cage
2. Lonnie Donegan

Sidemen:

1. Rick Derringer
2. Daddy Gene Barge

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 14:02pm


My ballot...just gonna vote for performers this time:

The Guess Who
Lou Reed
Bauhaus
Fugazi
Dave Matthews Band
De La Soul
Bill Withers

Posted by BSLO on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 18:55pm


Performers:
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
Small Faces
Lou Reed
The Human League
The Chemical Brothers
Portishead
The Prodigy

NPs:
Frankie Knuckles
Art Rupe

Sidemen:
Daddy Gene Barge
MFSB

Influences:
Lonnie Donegan
Amos Milburn

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 19:10pm


Change my vote for Art Rupe for Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis. Their names had to be mentioned at one point.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 19:15pm


Performers:
LCD Soundsystem
Dave Matthews Band
De La Soul
Queens of the Stone Age
Bad Brains
The Chemical Brothers
System of a Down

Non-Performers:
Simon Cowell- I'm not a fan of American Idol, but he has had a huge influence on the modern state of music

Mark Romanek- I figured its about time we induct a music video director/ producer. He is one of the greatest music video producers of all time, I was deciding between him and a few other producers (Spike Jonze,Hype Williams, etc.) but ultimately chose Mark Romanek for these facts. Mark Romanek has won 20 MTV music video awards and he holds the record for the most wins as a director in the category of the Grammy Award for Best Music Video. He has directed music videos for the following songs "Hurt" by Johnny Cash, "Scream" by Janet and Michael Jackson, "99 Problems" by Jay-Z, "Criminal" by Fiona Apple, "Devil's Haircut" by Beck, "Bedtime Story" by Madonna, and "Closer" by Nine Inch Nails.

Early influence:
Harry Belafonte
Andy Williams

Sidemen:
The Jordanaires
David Lindley

Posted by Ryan on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 19:29pm


First time voter, long time follower.

Chubby Checker
Fugazi
Lou Reed
Mariah Carey
Nas
No Doubt
The Flying Burrito Brothers

Posted by Austin on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 19:32pm


Ryan: We actually inducted The Jordanaires way back in our 1994 class. So you have another vote in the Sideman category, if you want to use it.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 21:31pm


My ballot:

LCD Soundsystem
Queens Of The Stone Age
The Guess Who
Lou Reed
Fugazi
Dave Matthews Band
The Chemical Brothers


NP:

Perry Farrell
Jon Landau


Sidemen:

Clarence Clemons
Rick Derringer

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 22:56pm


Hello everyone!

Well, at long last, we are now in the process of voting for the next class in our Crown Jewel, the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. Each year has become more important due to what I believe is the influence of Future Rock Legends with respect to who will be inducted into the actual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It also provides so many new opportunities for us to present to ourselves and others what this art form has meant for what we are today.

After some consideration of a wide range of artists and non-performers; I now give forth my ballot for the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2030. This again includes a mixture of artists already voted by fellow posters, along with some that I think are just as worthy. Anyway, here is my ballot.


Performers


Bill Withers
Lou Reed
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
Steve Hackett
Mariah Carey
Tears For Fears
Fugazi

Non-Performers

Hipgnosis
John Landis

Influences


John Cage
Tom Lehrer

Sidemen

Jennifer Batten
Bill Evans (the pianist)


Well, that is my ballot. I will later have a subsequent post detailing why I chose Steve Hackett, Tears For Fears, John Landis, Jennifer Batten and Bill Evans (the pianist) for my ballot and why they are deserving of induction. I am sure many of our fellow posters may learn a newer fact or two regarding these worthy candidates.

Thank you, Neil Walis, for running this important website,

Lax31

Posted by Lax31 on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 22:57pm


Artists that have received votes so far that I would potentially vote for in the future:

Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Bad Brains
Bauhaus
Boston
Captain Beefheart
De La Soul
Elliott Smith
Huey Lewis And THe News
Johnny Winter
Justin Timberlake
Liz Phair
Mariah Carey
Muse
Nas
Neu!
No Doubt
Phil Collins
Portishead
R. Kelly
Small Faces
Supertramp
System Of A Down
The Alan Parsons Project
The Fall
The Human League
The Strokes
Three Dog Night
Wilco


Top priority artists that haven't received any votes as of yet:

Cypress Hill
Death Cab For Cutie
Dinosaur Jr.
Echo And The Bunnymen
Fiona Apple
Joan Jett And The Blackhearts
Korn
Mary J. Blige
Modest Mouse
Patsy Cline
Salt N Pepa
Screaming Trees
Social Distortion
Sting
Sublime
The Black Keys
The Jesus And Mary Chain
The Killers
The National
The Shins
They Might Be Giants
Tori Amos
TV on the Radio
Violent Femmes
White Zombie
Willie Nelson
Yeah Yeah Yeahs

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.16.14 @ 23:10pm


Performer Vote Update through Lax31's Ballot (apologies for not alphabetizing):


Bill Withers - 13
Lou Reed - 12
The Guess Who-11
LCD Soundsystem - 9
Fugazi-9
_________________________________
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - 5
De La Soul-5
The Chemical Brothers-5
Dave Matthews Band-5
Mariah Carey-5
______________
Neu! - 4
Three Dog Night-4
Bauhaus-4

Supertramp-3
The Shangri-Las-3
The Dells-3

The Fall - 2
Paul Revere & The Raiders-2
Liz Phair-2
Dionne Warwick -2
Bad Brains-2
Queens Of The Stone Age-2
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project-2
System of a Down-2

Little Feat
Wilco
Johnny Winter
Carly Simon
The Strokes
Phil Collins
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Joe South
Fanny
Muse
R. Kelly
Justin Timberlake
Boston
Elliott Smith
The Moonglows
The Tokens
Huey Lewis And The News
Blink 182
The Commodores
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
Small Faces
The Human League
Portishead
The Prodigy
Chubby Checker
Nas
No Doubt
The Flying Burrito Brothers
Steve Hackett
Tears For Fears

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 10.17.14 @ 16:33pm


I'll try to do a vote update for the other categories tonight but if I cant I will tomorrow

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 10.17.14 @ 16:36pm


Influence Vote through Lax31's ballot:

John Cage - 9
Lonnie Donnegan - 6

Tom Lehrer-4
Andy Williams-3

Fats Waller-2
Serge Gainsbourg-2
Amos Milburn-2

Johnnie Ray
Gene Autry
The Four Aces
Dean Martin
Koji Kondo
Harry Belafonte

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 10.17.14 @ 19:48pm


Non-Performer Vote through Lax31's Ballot:

Hipgnosis-6
Thom Bell-5
----------------

Perry Farrell-3
Frankie Knuckles-3

Jim Steinman - 2
Jon Landau-2

Doctor Demento
Neil Walls
The Belleville Three
Lee Hazlewood
Bob Crewe
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis
Simon Cowell
Mark Romanek
John Landis

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 10.17.14 @ 19:59pm


Sideman Vote through Lax31's Ballot:

The Love Unlimited Orchestra - 5
Clarence Clemons-4
---------------------

Rick Derringer-3

Davey Johnston-2
Daddy Gene Barge-2

The Dixie Flyers
Dave Johnson
Dick Parry
Ellie Greenwich
Bob Babbitt
Carlos Alomar
The Dreamlovers
MFSB
David Lindley
Jennifer Batten
Bill Evans

Posted by Tom H on Friday, 10.17.14 @ 20:08pm


Nice work, Tom! I don't mean to speak for John R.C., but I wonder if his 'Dave Johnson' vote was intended to be Davey Johnston.

Posted by PopeCharming on Friday, 10.17.14 @ 21:01pm


Yeah, my Dave Johnson was intended to be Davey Johnston.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 10.17.14 @ 21:23pm


What an awesome project you all have made here, year after year. I'll give a vote, but I don't think it will affect much.

Performers:
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
Fugazi - looks like they're gonna make it in, but I'll vote for them just to be safe.
Little Feat
Mariah Carey
The Commodores
The Flying Burrito Brothers
The Killers

Influences:
Amos Milburn
Fela Kuti

Non-Performers:
Arif Mardin
Robert "Mutt" Lange

I can't think of many quality Sidemen you haven't already inducted here. Great job, people.

Posted by Josh on Friday, 10.17.14 @ 21:35pm


Josh: Both Fela Kuti and Robert "Mutt" Lange have been inducted in their respective categories.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 10.18.14 @ 13:35pm


Hi to all fellow posters.


As many have noticed, this is the second straight Revisited/Projected election in which not every person on my ballot was on a previous ballot. Perhaps I should explain why I selected these artists. I did something similar last year so it can be justified as part of my ballot reasoning.

Steve Hackett: I do feel we at Future Rock Legends have the potential to eventually induct all of the classic lineup of Genesis individually. Obviously, Peter Gabriel is inducted, along with Genesis both here and in the actual RRHOF. So, why is Steve Hackett next in my opinion to be inducted? Well, of the five inducted members of Genesis in the RRHOF; Steve Hackett has had the individual output that I think continues and expands upon the forms of music Genesis made from 1970-1977. By that regard, it is album oriented and concept driven: although Hackett did have a top 20 hit with "When The Heart Rules The Mind" back in 1986 under the GTR moniker. Indeed, only Peter Gabriel has been more influential on his own outside of Genesis than the compositions Steve Hackett has released for nearly 40 years now. Not many are entirely aware of Hackett's post-Genesis career. Yet, what Steve Hackett has done and continues to do has kept the legacy of Genesis alive and well.

Tears For Fears: in a time during the 1980s when many new wave artists went one way lyrically, Tears For Fears went quite a number of different and deeper directions. Roland Orzabal and Curt Smith were a duo that never did the same album twice over. Starting with matters of personal concern before moving onto world issues; Tears For Fears became far more influential as the years went by than was I initially thought.

John Landis: Landis may just well be the most influential director of music videos, despite not having made many. As well, John Landis' movies such as The Blues Brothers, Trading Places, Animal House and Coming To America were among the more influential movies of the era to utilize rock and roll and R&B soundtracks. And yes, John Landis did direct two of Michael Jackson's more influential videos; Thriller and Black Or White. That alone merits an eventual induction.

Jennifer Batten: also related to Michael Jackson, in that many of us first remember Batten as Jackson's lead guitarist in the 80s and 90s. Jennifer Batten is clearly one of the best guitarists and songwriters of any genre, from any gender, to have ever existed. We have mainly inducted as sidemen a lot of male guitarists. At some point, a female is also needed for induction.

Bill Evans (the pianist): I put him as a sideman due to Evans' work with a number of great jazz artists. None the less, Bill Evans was one of the better post bop and experimental jazz pianists of his time. One only can wonder what would have occurred had not Evans' self-destructive tendencies become apparent in the end of his life. What we do have though is a vast treasure trove of important compositions, arrangements and performances for all music listeners to appreciate.

Well, that is my explanation for why these artists are on my ballot. Hopefully this will influence posters who have not yet voted, and for the years to come in future inductions. I do hope there are more ballots to take into account before Wednesday.

One little idea; funny how time flies,

Lax31

Posted by Lax31 on Sunday, 10.19.14 @ 22:00pm


Reminder that voting closes tomorrow at noon Eastern. If you have not voted, make sure you do so before than.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.21.14 @ 18:24pm


My ballot:

Bauhaus
Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band
De La Soul
Fugazi
LCD Soundsystem
Neu!
Wico

Lou Reed would have gotten my vote if he did not need it and Bill Withers and The Guess Who would have been in the running for a vote.

I was also very close to voting for Mariah Carey, The Chemical Brothers, Dave Matthews Band, Queens of the Stone Age and The Shangri-Las.

Non Performers

Thom Bell
Higpnosis

Influences

John Cage
Lonnie Donnegan

Sidemen

Davey Johnston
The Love Unlimited Orchestra

Someone needs to explain to me Clarence Clemons' merits as a sideman. Only non-E Street Band or solo song that I know he's in is Lady Gaga's "Edge of Glory."

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.21.14 @ 18:43pm


Ballot:

Performers:

13th Floor Elevators
Chubby Checker
Paul Revere & the Raiders
The Guess Who
Soul Asylum
Dave Matthews Band
Queens of the Stone Age

Non-Performers:

Brendan O'Brien
Perry Farrell

Influences:

Dean Martin
Stan Kenton

Sidemen:

Clarence Clemons
Rick Derringer

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 06:33am


The deadline for voting has passed.

Here's my final count (let me know if I'm wrong on any of these totals):


Performers:

Bill Withers - 13

Lou Reed - 12
The Guess Who - 12

Fugazi - 11

LCD Soundsystem - 10

Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band - 7
____________________________

Dave Matthews Band - 6
De La Soul - 6
Mariah Carey - 6
____________________________

Bauhaus - 5
Neu! - 5
The Chemical Brothers - 5

Queens Of The Stone Age - 4
Three Dog Night - 4

Paul Revere And The Raiders - 3
Supertramp - 3
The Dells - 3
The Shangri-Las - 3

Bad Brains - 2
Chubby Checker - 2
Dionne Warwick - 2
Little Feat - 2
Liz Phair - 2
System Of A Down - 2
The Alan Parsons Project - 2
The Commodores - 2
The Fall - 2
The Flying Burrito Brothers - 2
Wilco - 2

13th Floor Elevators - 1
Bachman-Turner Overdrive - 1
Blink 182 - 1
Boston - 1
Carly Simon - 1
Cliff Richard & The Shadows - 1
Elliott Smith - 1
Fanny - 1
Huey Lewis And The News - 1
Joe South - 1
Johnny Winter - 1
Justin Timberlake - 1
Muse - 1
Nas - 1
No Doubt - 1
Phil Collins - 1
Portishead - 1
R. Kelly - 1
Small Faces - 1
Soul Asylum - 1
Steve Hackett - 1
Tears For Fears - 1
The Human League - 1
The Killers - 1
The Moonglows - 1
The Prodigy - 1
The Strokes - 1
The Tokens - 1


Non-Performers:

Hipgnosis - 7

Thom Bell - 6
____________________________

Perry Farrell - 4

Frankie Knuckles - 3

Jim Steinman - 2
Jon Landau - 2

Arif Mardin - 1
Bob Crewe - 1
Brendan O'Brien - 1
Doctor Demento - 1
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - 1
John Landis - 1
Lee Hazlewood - 1
Mark Romanek - 1
Neil Walls - 1
Simon Cowell - 1
The Belleville Three - 1


Influences:

John Cage - 10

Lonnie Donnegan - 7
____________________________

Tom Lehrer - 4

Andy Williams - 3
Amos Milburn - 3

Fats Waller - 2
Serge Gainsbourg - 2
Dean Martin - 2

Gene Autry - 1
Harry Belafonte - 1
Johnnie Ray - 1
Koji Kondo - 1
Stan Kento - 1
The Four Aces - 1


Sidemen:

The Love Unlimited Orchestra - 6

Clarence Clemons - 5
____________________________

Davey Johnston - 4
Rick Derringer - 4

Daddy Gene Barge - 2

Bob Babbitt - 1
Carlos Alomar - 1
David Lindley - 1
Dick Parry - 1
Ellie Greenwich - 1
MFSB - 1
The Dixie Flyers - 1
The Dreamlovers - 1
Jennifer Batten - 1
Bill Evans - 1


Unless my vote counts are incorrect, here are this year's current, pre-tiebreaker inductees:

Performers:

Bill Withers
Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band
Fugazi
The Guess Who
LCD Soundsystem
Lou Reed

The following Performers will be involved in a tiebreaker vote:

Dave Matthews Band
De La Soul
Mariah Carey

Our tiebreakers work as follows (correct me if I'm wrong):

Any voter who voted in the Performers category this year can submit a tiebreaker ballot.

To submit a tiebreaker ballot, rank all three Performers in order of preference. The highest-ranked Performer will get 3 points, the second-highest will get 2 points and the lowest will get 1 point.

The Performer with the most points at the end of the tiebreaker will be inducted in the final Performer spot for this year.

In the event of a tie, the Performer that received the most 1st place votes (3 points) will be inducted. If that doesn't resolve the tie, I believe we'll have a run-off tiebreaker vote, but I'm not sure.

Tiebreaker voting will last for 2 days, ending at 11:00 AM Central / Noon Eastern on Friday the 24th.


Non-Performers:

Hipgnosis
Thom Bell


Influences:

John Cage
Lonnie Donnegan


Sidemen:

The Love Unlimited Orchestra
Clarence Clemons

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 12:11pm


Yay for Lonnie Donegan! (with one N)

My tiebreaker vote:

1. Mariah Carey
2. De La Soul
3. Dave Matthews Band

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 12:47pm


Mariah Carey - 3 points
De La Soul - 2 points
Dave Matthews Band - 1 point

Great class. I'm already looking forward to discussing potential inductees for next year.

Posted by Paul K on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 12:59pm


The first time I've voted in our Rock Hall Projected project, and I'm very happy it turned out such a great class.

Amazing that Lonnie Donegan went from a single Voter's Choice song in January to induction in October.

As for the tiebreaker:

1. De La Soul
2. Mariah Carey
3. Dave Matthews Band

I'm sticking with Plug One, Two, and Three, but I will by no means at all be unhappy with Mariah Carey or Dave Matthews getting in.

Posted by SotN on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 13:12pm


Darren: Your numbers match mine, we are good to go!

I am extremely happy with this class. I feel like we made great progress this time around. Also more than happy with this tiebreaker as both Mariah and DMB almost got votes from me.

De La Soul - 3 points
Mariah Carey - 2 points
Dave Matthews Band - 1 point

Hopefully next year we can make a push for Neu!, Wilco, Brian Eno, Pulp, The Shangri-Las and if De La Soul gets in, A Tribe Called Quest.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 13:21pm


De La Soul - 3 Points
Dave Matthews Band - 2 points
Mariah Carey - 1 point

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 13:50pm


Tiebreaker:

De la Soul - 3
Mariah Carey - 2
Dave Matthews Band - 1

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 14:04pm


Tiebreaker Vote:

1. De La Soul
2. Mariah Carey
3. Dave Mathews Band

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 14:07pm


1. Mariah Carey
2. Dave Matthews Band
3. De La Soul

Posted by The Aviator Dragon on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 14:19pm


smh i was about to come in and vote, sry gass.

casting a vote for de la soul in spirit if not in reality

"The Human League - 1" :')its like I never left (though i wouldnt vote them anymore)

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 14:35pm


De La Soul-3
Mariah Carey-2
Dave Matthews Band-1

Posted by GregF on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 15:21pm


De La Soul 3 points
Mariah Carey 2 points
Dave Matthews Band 1 point

Posted by Ryan on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 17:10pm


De La Soul - 3 Points
Dave Matthews Band - 2 Points
Mariah Carey - 1 Point


Good class. I'm especially happy to see Withers & Guess Who make it in. I'm admittedly bummed about Bad Brains doing so poorly after seeming to have a lot of support beforehand. Ah well, for next year.

Fugazi getting in before Minor Threat is strange to me. It feels as if we inducted Eric Burdon with War before the Animals. Clarence Clemons as a sideman is also odd, because I'm unfamiliar with his sideman work (excluding the E-Street Band, with which he's already been inducted by us).

Not complaining though! That's just the way it goes sometimes.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 18:46pm


De La Soul - 3 Points
Dave Matthews Band - 2 Points
Mariah Carey - 1 Point


Good class. I'm especially happy to see Withers & Guess Who make it in. I'm admittedly bummed about Bad Brains doing so poorly after seeming to have a lot of support beforehand. Ah well, for next year.

Fugazi getting in before Minor Threat is strange to me. It feels as if we inducted Eric Burdon with War before the Animals. Clarence Clemons as a sideman is also odd, because I'm unfamiliar with his sideman work (excluding the E-Street Band, with which he's already been inducted by us).

Not complaining though! That's just the way it goes sometimes.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 18:46pm


Whoops! Don't know why it posted twice. My bad!

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 18:47pm


"Good class. I'm especially happy to see Withers & Guess Who make it in. I'm admittedly bummed about Bad Brains doing so poorly after seeming to have a lot of support beforehand. Ah well, for next year." - Steve Z

Agreed. I'm happy with this class. I was really pleased to see Bauhaus do as well as they did after I killed their momentum last year in giving Siouxsie & the Banshees a serious push. Bauhaus, Bad Brains and Neu! will be my top priorities next year.

And I agree on the Fugazi/Minor Threat issue, but certainly won't complain about Fugazi getting in.

Well done, all.

Tiebreaker:

De La Soul 3 (Way overdue)
Mariah Carey 2 (I do understand the argument for her)
Dave Matthews Band 1 (Good showing this round. I'd expect DMB to be a strong favorite next year.)

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 20:51pm


Thank you, Gassman, for hosting our Rock Hall Projected.

Major props to jtrichey for successfully starting a push for Bill Withers.

I'm in the unique position of having voted for all three artists involved in the tiebreaker, and I'm delighted that they all made it this far.

3- Mariah Carey
2- De La Soul
1- Dave Mathews Band

Posted by PopeCharming on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 21:17pm


In previous years, we had contemplated a joint Minor Threat / Fugazi induction. Do we have any other joint inductions in this project, or is that something we've only done in the Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame?

Speaking of the Blind Ballot HOF...

I'll start putting together the information for the Blind Ballot HOF so that I can post it after the tiebreaker voting ends on Friday (or whenever the second tiebreaker has concluded). If you want to review last year's information, the posts for the 2013 votes start on this board at Tuesday, 11.5.13 @ 01:01am.

There will be 3 days of nominations, followed by 5 days of voting and 2 days for any necessary tiebreakers.

I can get the project going and participate in it, but I'll be away from my computer when the voting will end (From 11/1 through 11/12), so can you count the votes and post the results when the deadlines expire, Gassman? I'll be able to post the list of nominees, but not the results.

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 21:53pm


A well made class this year! My thanks and congratulations to all invovled. Now, to finalize this year's induction class, here is my tiebreaker ballot for all to see.


Mariah Carey - 3
Dave Matthews - 2
De La Soul - 1

To explain my reasoning; Mariah Carey was on my initial ballot , and thus gets the top ranking. Dave Matthews has become a favorite with my family and loved ones. My brothers have seen Matthews about 8 times each. De La Soul has not yet been on my radar for awhile.

Well, that is my tiebreaker ballot. I certainly do look forward to who we might induct next year. I will say that Steve Hackett and Alan/Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project are nearly certain to be on my ballot next year; perhaps I could bring forth reasonings as to why fellow posters should vote for them. And yet, it is never an off season here.

How many Dave Matthews songs mention a monkey?,

Lax31

Posted by Lax31 on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 22:46pm


Also very happy with the class. Bill Withers of course (maybe we do have influence on the real Hall as Withers is a first time nominee there too?), but also Three Dog Night, and LCD Soundsystem were among my faves. I do not care at all for Capt Beefheart or that style of music, but I knew it was just a matter of time before he got in.

With LCD making it in The Chemical Brothers should have a clear path next year. Once again there are no new-comers to next year's eligible that will make a whole lot of noise. Would love to see Sweet start to make some headway.

Tiebreaker:
1. Dave Matthews Band (3 points)
2. Mariah Carey
3. De La Soul (1 point)

but all are worthy.

Posted by jtrichey on Wednesday, 10.22.14 @ 23:37pm


Interesting thought - now that the Love Unlimited Orchestra is in, that means that Ray Parker Jr. (Ghostbusters) and Kenny G. are inductees in our hall.

Pretty crazy.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 10.23.14 @ 00:52am


Tie-breaker vote:
1. Mariah Carey, 3 points (I would hate to see a class with no female inductees. That would never be my sole reason for voting for someone though. I feel the "songbird supreme" has had the biggest impact here. Not to undermine De La Soul.)
2. Dave Matthews Band - Have you seen them live? Jesus.
3. De La Soul - Important and deserving, but it all comes down to personal preference in the end. I would honestly induct Nas as the next rap artist, and after that, solo Dr. Dre.

jtrichey - I would argue that Arctic Monkeys and MGMT have arguments to be made for them. I'd also vote for Portishead before The Chemical Brothers.

This is my first year here. I was introduced to The Song Project and don't really know where to begin on the other projects, but this was one I'm glad I jumped in on. At this point, I'd say the biggest omissions are Chubby Checker, Nas, The Flying Burrito Brothers, No Doubt, Primal Scream, Wilco, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Three Dog Night, Boston, and The Strokes.

Posted by Austin on Thursday, 10.23.14 @ 03:03am


Tie-Breaker:

Dave Matthews Band - 3
De La Soul - 2
Mariah Carey - 1

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 10.23.14 @ 06:41am


My tie breaker:

Dave Matthews Band-3
Mariah Carey-2
De La Soul-1

Tough choice. DMB was an easy top choice as it was the only one I cast a vote for but Mariah Carey and De La Soul were both potential vote switches for me (especially since my mini push for Dionne Warwick crashed and burned). I'll be happy with whoever wins the tie breaker as the three artists represent three genres not included in this year's class. (90's Rock/Jam Band, Hip-Hop, and solo pop vocalist). Regardless the losers will likely end up on my shortlist next year.

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 10.23.14 @ 15:22pm


3 pts. -- Mariah Carey
2 pts. -- De La Soul
1 pt. -- Dave Matthews Band

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.23.14 @ 15:30pm


5 more eligible voters and we are running a dead heat in the tiebreaker.

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.23.14 @ 18:03pm


jtrichey - I would argue that Arctic Monkeys and MGMT have arguments to be made for them. I'd also vote for Portishead before The Chemical Brothers.


Posted by Austin on Thursday, 10.23.14 @ 03:03am


Welcome to our projects. It can be very overwhelming at times. I joined in about 2 years ago and it took me a while to get in the groove.

As for next year's newly eligible, there are certainly some bands that will have an argument, especially down the road. I only meant that none will likely be beating the door down on their first ballot.

Some to keep an eye on:

Arctic Monkey