Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Strips Voting Rights From Inductees

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On their website, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame succinctly explains the process of how artists in the performer category are chosen:

Each year, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation's Nominating Committee selects the group of artists nominated in the Performer Category. Ballots are then sent to more than 1,000 historians, members of the music industry and artists—including every living Rock Hall Inductee—and the top performers (typically five to seven each year) receiving the most votes become that year's induction class.

The Rock Hall has never released a full list of all of their voters, but it is well known that it changes from year-to-year as new artists are inducted and when music industry voters cycle in and out.

In the last couple of years, it's been revealed that there is a policy that voters can be removed from the list if they don't return their ballots two years in a row. Based on the rule above, it seemed logical that this policy would only apply to the discretionary voter selections made by the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation and its president Joel Peresman, not the inductees.

However, on a member-exclusive episode of the Who Cares About the Rock Hall? podcast, DJ Yella (2016 inductee with N.W.A) revealed that he hasn't received a ballot in years. At the end of the episode, host Joe Kwaczala shared that an inside source believed that the policy about losing your ballot after not returning it two years in a row was likely the reason Yella couldn't vote.

A few thoughts on this revelation:

  1. This is f**king insane!
  2. It's one thing to take away a vote from an absentee critic or industry person, but doing it to a Hall of Famer is indefensible.
  3. How long has this been going on? The Rock Hall has unequivocally stated that "every living Rock Hall inductee" receives a ballot for as long as we can remember.
  4. Apparently Hall of Famers lose voting privileges for life if they miss two ballots in a row. Again, this is insane!
  5. Does anyone think the Rock Hall applies this "rule" to all Hall of Famers, or just ones they don't care as much about? There is zero chance they would do this to Hall of Fame favorites like Bruce Springsteen or Paul McCartney.
  6. What is the possible justification for doing this? Is it too much hassle to keep inductees' addresses current? Are you trying to save on postage? Are there some inductees' opinions you don't value? Seriously, someone try to justify this policy.
  7. On the other hand, there are countless legitimate reasons an inductee may not return their ballot. Maybe they moved. Maybe they've been on tour. Maybe they don't like the nominees. None of those reasons should mean they lose their voting rights.
  8. And yes, for inductees, these are voting RIGHTS. The Rock Hall is unique among peer institutions exactly because inductees vote who else gets in! Whoever instituted this policy has zero understanding of what gives an induction its significance.

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame should publicly address this policy shift and clearly state how many inductees have lost their voting rights through this year. Moving forward, they need to reverse course and send ballots to ALL of their Hall of Famers, without exception. (And then get rid of the person that came up with this "policy" in the first place.)

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The 2024 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

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The 2024 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees were announced live during American Idol on Sunday, April 21st. The induction ceremony will be held in Cleveland on Saturday, October 19th.


InducteeCategoryGroup Members
Mary J. BligePerformer
CherPerformer
ForeignerPerformerDennis Elliott, Ed Gagliardi, Lou Gramm, Al Greenwood, Mick Jones, Ian McDonald, Rick Wills
Peter FramptonPerformer
Kool & the GangPerformerRobert “Kool” Bell, Ronald Bell, George Brown, Robert “Spike” Mickens, Claydes “Charles” Smith, James “J.T.” Taylor, Dennis “Dee Tee” Thomas, Ricky Westfield
Ozzy Osbourne Performer
Dave Matthews BandPerformerCarter Beauford, Jeff Coffin, Stefan Lessard, Dave Matthews, Leroi Moore, Tim Reynolds, Rashawn Ross, Boyd Tinsley
A Tribe Called QuestPerformerQ-Tip, Phife Dawg, Ali Shaheed Muhammad, Jarobi White
Jimmy Buffett Musical Excellence
MC5 Musical ExcellenceMichael Davis, Wayne Kramer, Fred “Sonic” Smith, Dennis Thompson, Rob Tyner
Dionne Warwick Musical Excellence
Norman Whitfield Musical Excellence
Alexis Korner Musical Influence
John Mayall Musical Influence
Big Mama Thornton Musical Influence
Suzanne de Passe Non-Performer
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Future Rock Legends Predicts the 2024 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame voting ends on April 15th and they will officially announce the class of 2024 by the end of the month. Future Rock Legends predicts the inductees in the Performer category will be:

  1. Kool & the Gang: The overwhelming support for Kool & the Gang from voters who have made their ballots public is unprecedented. The Rock Hall is probably kicking itself for waiting so long to nominate such a wildly successful band that crossed multiple genres and decades, and is clearly beloved.
  2. Cher: Despite her suspicious public protestations about the Hall of Fame before she was nominated, Cher will likely cooperate and walk in after finally making her first ballot.
  3. Foreigner: There's never been a public campaign like the one organized by Mark Ronson in support of his stepfather (Mick Jones). The band was eager to embrace the endorsements of Hall of Famers like Paul McCartney, Slash, Dave Grohl, and Chad Smith, and also heavily promoted the Fan Vote.
  4. Peter Frampton: There was an outpouring of love when Frampton performed with Sheryl Crow at the 2023 induction ceremony, which vaulted him onto this year's ballot. Frampton's career peak in the 1970s was in the sweet spot for a significant chunk of voters who were coming of age during that time.
  5. A Tribe Called Quest: The Rock Hall seems to want Tribe to get inducted before they can move on to other equally deserving hip hop artists such as Wu Tang and OutKast. Expect ATCQ to make the cut this year to open up future ballots for others.
  6. Sinead O'Connor: As unfortunate as it was that it took her death to get the Nominating Committee's attention, the career reflection that followed gives Hall of Fame voters a unique opportunity to cement that legacy.
  7. Lenny Kravitz: Like Sheryl Crow last year, Kravitz has countless friends in the industry that he can count on for votes. As a musical chameleon, he appeals to multiple demographics.

Additional Notes and Open Questions:

  • The Rock Hall's rule change to allow voters to select seven artists instead of just five has been a massive improvement. Listening to voters work through their ballots on the Who Cares About the Rock Hall? podcast has shown that much of the pretzel logic voting of past years is gone. We're glad the Rock Hall finally took our suggestion ;)
  • It's going to be fascinating to see how the increase to seven picks will impact the voting. The expansion could lead to some unexpected results.
  • Allowing voters choose seven artists implies they will induct seven names from the ballot, but they haven't explicitly said they will do that. After inducting seven in 2022 and 2023, anything less than that will be a disappointment given the giant backlog.
  • What about Ozzy? Despite his icon status, voters may look another way because 1) he's already an inductee with Black Sabbath, and 2) metal doesn't get much respect from the Rock Hall's voters.
  • Dave Matthews Band dominated the official Fan Vote, and if they get passed over again, they'll cement their position as the number one populist snub.
  • Is Mariah Carey too big to fail? It will be a tough pill to swallow for a star of her magnitude to miss out on a career achievement like this, but for whatever reason, voter support appears to be soft.
  • Lenny Kravitz has had a quiet a year. He's already performed two career-spanning medleys at the 2023 iHeartRadio Music Festival and the 2023 People's Choice Awards, where he picked up a Music Icon Award. Just last month he was honored by his daughter and Denzel Washington when getting a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. After all of that, a Rock Hall induction may seem redundant.
  • The public health issues of Ozzy, Peter Frampton, and key members of Foreigner, could certainly motivate voters to cast their votes for them this year.
  • What do our readers think is going to happen? The results from our own prediction poll:

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  • The 2024 induction ceremony will be back in Cleveland this fall and will likely sell out quickly, no matter who gets inducted. Last year the Rock Hall was forced to lower their exorbitant ticket prices after demand was soft for the Brooklyn ceremony.
  • Paul McCartney has appeared at two of the last three Cleveland ceremonies. Maybe he'll be back again this year?
  • The Rock Hall's "Fans Ballot" winners were Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Ozzy Osbourne, Cher, Lenny Kravitz, and Kool & the Gang. Historically fan vote winners have been inducted slightly more than 50% of the time, so it's no guarantee of induction (last year only one artist from the top five made it in).
  • Lastly, a quick plug for our other websites which, like this site, focus on the greatest of all-time in their respective categories: Future Country Legends, Future Hip Hop Legends, and Future Football Legends. If you're into best-of lists and Halls of Fame, you'll find a lot to like over there.

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Quick Thoughts on the 2024 Rock Hall Ballot

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame's class of 2024 ballot was released on Saturday, and like every nomination season, there are new things to celebrate and criticize. Here are a few thoughts:
  • You have to go back to 2014 to find the last ballot that had 10 brand new names on it. Roughly 62% of Hall of Famers in the past 20 years were inducted on their first nomination, so look for voters to gravitate to the artists they haven't seen on a ballot before.
  • The "Fans Ballot" is back for its 11th year, but this time there's an important change. Fans can vote for up to SEVEN names each day, which implies that's what the actual voters will be faced with as well. Up until this year, Voting Committee members have been forced to narrow their choices to a maximum of five names, even when the number of performers chosen grew to 6 or 7. It didn't make any sense before, so this is a vast improvement and one we've been arguing for.
  • There is only one repeat nominee from last year's ballot, A Tribe Called Quest. That hasn't happened since 2010, when The Stooges were the lone holdover from the previous year. The other four multi-nominated artists on this year's ballot each have only one other nomination, so even these artists still feel fresh and not like "ballot-filler."
  • Cher bringing up her exclusion from the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame out of the blue on the Kelly Clarkson Show a few months ago sure feels like a big set up now (as discussed on the Rock In Retrospect podcast, and with our nominee prediction). This has probably been a done deal for a long time. We'll see how serious she was when she promised to "never change her mind" about accepting the honor.
  • Say what you want about the Hall of Fame worthiness of Foreigner and Peter Frampton, but there's really no excuse that artists of their stature had to wait over 20 years just to be nominated. Voters may ultimately turn them down, but if it weren't for the Rock Hall's broken nomination and induction system, they should have had this opportunity decades ago.
  • The Country Music Hall of Fame has a wise rule that you are ineligible to be nominated for at least a year after you die. The Rock Hall's nomination of Sinead O'Connor so soon after she passed away feels exploitative and gross. Their justification that an artist's true legacy can become clear with the tributes when they die is insulting and just indicts them as followers of culture instead of leaders. A Hall of Fame induction should be the triggering event for a public career reevaluation, not a death. (This also applies to Kool & the Gang, who have lost many original members since becoming eligible in 1995.)
  • Look, Lenny Kravitz has been a rock star for 35 years, but his Hall of Fame credentials are very thin. Zero albums or singles on Rolling Stone's top 500 lists and he's hasn't even been able to crack our readers' Snub List, which has over 130 deserving artists still waiting for the call. The 1990s was absolutely an incredible era for music, so it's hard to fathom why Lenny Kravitz won the nomination lottery other than his status as an industry darling.
  • Oasis, on the other hand, have everything you'd want in a Hall of Fame career, including the "f**k you" attitude of not wanting it at all.
  • Nominating Committee - try to listen to the people in your group who are nominating artists like Jane's Addiction, Sade, and Eric B. & Rakim, and minimize the input from industry executives who have other motives.
  • Alan Light talked on his podcast about how great it was to have "new blood" on the Nominating Committee this year. "The idea is not to freeze all of [the NomCom and Voting members] in one place, and have everything move around it, but continue to move with the changes and try to keep up with the world as time marches on." Light has now been on the Nominating Committee for 18 years.
  • In an interview with NPR, museum president Greg Harris touted the Hall of Fame's recent gains with inducting women and people of color. Evelyn McDonnell still finds their actions lacking given their well-documented track record.
  • Others have pointed out the clumsiness of this year's ballot announcement, so we won't rehash the whole thing here, but the Rock Hall needs to learn from other Halls of Fame about how to handle the basic principles of these things. They have never been good at announcements, but this was a new level of bad.
  • The Fan Vote ends April 26th. (But where can one find this information? It's nowhere to be found on the Rock Hall's website or social media. No, you just have to go to Lenny Kravitz's Instagram for the exclusive ballot details.)
  • ABC and Disney+ will be the Rock Hall's broadcast partners for the second year in a row. Turns out streaming the ceremony live and then airing it later on traditional broadcast TV gets it in front of a lot more people than locked down on HBO.
  • It's tough to say if the live stream on Disney+ is what suppressed ticket demand for the 2023 induction ceremony in Brooklyn, but tickets were available for well below face value. This year's ceremony will be in Cleveland, which always turns out big for these hometown events, so if ticket demand is soft again, the live stream may be the culprit. (If they induct Dave Matthews Band, they won't have a ticket problem.)
  • This is getting a bit ridiculous:
  • No country artists are on the performer ballot this year. We'll have to wait and see if any make it into the special categories, or if the Rock Hall has lost interest in the genre again (there's no shortage of qualified artists, that's for sure).

Inductees will be announced in late April. Follow us on Twitter for the latest news and developments. (And apologies to those of you who used to follow our tweets on this website. Elon broke the chronological feed for anyone not signed into a Twitter account.)
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The 2024 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

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The 2024 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were announced at 11:30am EST on February 10th. Inductees will be revealed in April, and will be honored at a ceremony in Cleveland in the fall.


Nominee# of NomsGroup Members
Cher1st
Foreigner1stDennis Elliott, Ed Gagliardi, Lou Gramm, Al Greenwood, Mick Jones, Ian McDonald, Rick Wills
Peter Frampton1st
Lenny Kravitz1st
Kool & the Gang1stRobert “Kool” Bell, Ronald Bell, George Brown, Robert “Spike” Mickens, Claydes “Charles” Smith, James “J.T.” Taylor, Dennis “Dee Tee” Thomas, Ricky Westfield
Mariah Carey1st
Oasis1stGem Archer, Paul Arthurs, Andy Bell, Liam Gallagher, Noel Gallagher, Tony McCarroll, Paul McGuigan, Alan White
Sinead O'Connor1st
Ozzy Osbourne 1st
Sade 1stSade Adu, Paul Denman, Andrew Hale, Stuart Matthewman
Mary J. Blige2nd
Dave Matthews Band2ndCarter Beauford, Jeff Coffin, Stefan Lessard, Dave Matthews, Leroi Moore, Tim Reynolds, Rashawn Ross, Boyd Tinsley
Eric B. & Rakim 2ndEric B., Rakim
Jane's Addiction2ndPerry Farrell, Dave Navarro, Stephen Perkins, Eric Avery
A Tribe Called Quest3rdQ-Tip, Phife Dawg, Ali Shaheed Muhammad, Jarobi White
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